| 00:00.00 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf Shirik |
| 00:00.10 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:00.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Aren't you... not supposed to be here? |
| 00:00.14 | Shirik | what? |
| 00:00.20 | Shirik | why? |
| 00:00.20 | NeoTron | maybe he has inturnet on his phone |
| 00:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shouldn't you be on a plane or something? |
| 00:00.28 | Shirik | I was on a plane like 12 hours ago |
| 00:00.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
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| 00:02.48 | Shirik | personally I'd like to know why Cairenn's here |
| 00:02.58 | Shirik | because as far as I know she's not "here" |
| 00:03.01 | Shirik | but she's here |
| 00:03.22 | Shirik | maul is crap |
| 00:03.24 | Shirik | no rage generation |
| 00:03.25 | NightHawkTheSane | it's one hell of an existential quandry |
| 00:03.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i submit that you're too sober to continue thinking about it |
| 00:04.19 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10972109095&pageNo=4&sid=1#63 <-wut, loaner mount? |
| 00:04.31 | NeoTron | Shirik: I'm always "here" except I'm often not "here". it's called screen :P |
| 00:04.39 | Lunessa | Shirik: Needz more liquor. |
| 00:04.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think she uses screen, NeoTron |
| 00:04.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, she indeed |
| 00:05.08 | Shirik | no, but hey! |
| 00:05.12 | Shirik | Guess what I DID GET |
| 00:05.21 | Shirik | I don't know if I should say it yet or not actually :/ |
| 00:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Say it? |
| 00:05.28 | NightHawkTheSane | liquor? |
| 00:05.29 | Dashkal | Fisker-: O.o this is news |
| 00:05.32 | NightHawkTheSane | alcohol? |
| 00:05.35 | NightHawkTheSane | BOOZE?!? |
| 00:06.11 | Shirik | oh no |
| 00:06.15 | Shirik | something much better than booze |
| 00:06.48 | Lunessa | WHOA! Don't talk crazy talk son. |
| 00:06.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ... BLASPHEMER! |
| 00:06.57 | Shirik | no I do think you will agree |
| 00:07.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: then spit it out |
| 00:07.09 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 00:07.10 | Lunessa | ... |
| 00:07.12 | NightHawkTheSane | (not the booze) |
| 00:07.41 | Shirik | .. |
| 00:07.45 | Shirik | well yes I did, but that's so not it |
| 00:07.51 | NeoTron | you became a REAL BOY? |
| 00:07.53 | Shirik | well you know how we're always asking Cairenn for autographed portraits? |
| 00:07.55 | NeoTron | and got a pet penguion to boot? |
| 00:08.02 | NightHawkTheSane | we are? |
| 00:08.09 | Shirik | We are -_- |
| 00:08.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont remember ever doing that |
| 00:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:08.21 | Shirik | too much booze imo |
| 00:08.23 | NightHawkTheSane | and, ill be honest, i still think the booze is better |
| 00:08.23 | NeoTron | I'm with NightHawkTheSane here ;-) |
| 00:08.26 | Shirik | Well I has one now ^_^ |
| 00:08.28 | Lunessa | You got a picture with the Aministratrix herself? |
| 00:08.34 | Shirik | autographed! |
| 00:08.38 | Lunessa | Good man. |
| 00:08.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll admit, i am impressed. maybe slightly jealous. |
| 00:08.52 | NightHawkTheSane | but no, not better than booze. |
| 00:08.58 | Shirik | Cairenn > booze |
| 00:08.59 | Shirik | sorry |
| 00:09.05 | Lunessa | With good care, and proper maintenance, it should get you through college and into your first marriage. |
| 00:09.06 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, definitely, but booze > pictures of Cairenn |
| 00:09.19 | Shirik | hrm |
| 00:09.24 | Shirik | debatable |
| 00:09.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet she'd agree with me |
| 00:09.52 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: No bet. We know she always hates her pictures. |
| 00:10.10 | Shirik | yes but we loves |
| 00:10.10 | Lunessa | Shirik: Remind her that the ice cream treats are sugar-free, k? |
| 00:10.19 | NeoTron | Shirik: ebay. clearly. |
| 00:10.20 | Shirik | huh? |
| 00:10.35 | Shirik | NeoTron: She'd kill me |
| 00:10.57 | NightHawkTheSane | scan it, imo :p |
| 00:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that we'll ever see a digital version of one of those ever |
| 00:11.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless she uploads it herself |
| 00:11.04 | Lunessa | Like me she's allergic to Aspartame; the ice cream treats for sale in the convention hall are loaded wiht it. |
| 00:11.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Everyone who got one will covet them in fear of them ever being found |
| 00:11.43 | Shirik | oh :( |
| 00:11.44 | NeoTron | Shirik: wait until being at a sufficient distance |
| 00:12.00 | Shirik | NeoTron: She will still kill me |
| 00:12.19 | Shirik | omg so tired too |
| 00:12.22 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 00:12.30 | Shirik | and it's only 5:12 PM |
| 00:13.06 | Lunessa | Go get a Jolt cola. |
| 00:13.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Or go to bed |
| 00:13.15 | ScytheBlade1 | So you're good to go for tomorrow |
| 00:13.25 | Shirik | Aaaand |
| 00:13.29 | Lunessa | And miss out on the late night booze? |
| 00:13.32 | Shirik | dolby just sent me a txt saying I'm supposed to be in line |
| 00:13.33 | Shirik | dododo |
| 00:13.35 | Shirik | I'll be back! |
| 00:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:13.44 | NeoTron | when does blizzcon open? |
| 00:14.14 | Shirik | tomorrow |
| 00:14.20 | Cidan | lol |
| 00:14.25 | Cidan | Score me a Tyrial pet |
| 00:14.25 | Cidan | plz |
| 00:14.33 | Shirik | afkz! |
| 00:15.21 | NeoTron | that's what I thought |
| 00:15.33 | NeoTron | just wondering why everyone goes down yesterday and today and stuff :P |
| 00:15.38 | NeoTron | is it friday morning start? |
| 00:16.00 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 00:16.07 | Lunessa | And they want to socialize. |
| 00:16.27 | NeoTron | what's wrong with IRC?! gesh! |
| 00:16.46 | WobWork | pft |
| 00:16.58 | WobWork | all us people who aren't going to blizzcon are still people =( |
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| 00:17.15 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 00:17.55 | Lunessa | That's a pretty brazen claim in your case wobin. :P |
| 00:19.06 | bleeter | LAAAR RESS RERD MAGE NAAR |
| 00:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: no we're not :( |
| 00:20.33 | WobWork | I AM A HUMAN BEING! =( |
| 00:20.37 | NightHawkTheSane | LIES |
| 00:20.39 | WobWork | *trumpets* |
| 00:20.39 | Cidan | Unlikely. |
| 00:20.56 | WobWork | If I am cut, do I not bleed?! |
| 00:21.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 00:21.05 | Cidan | Nice. |
| 00:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ~stab WobWork |
| 00:21.09 | purl | ACTION runs at WobWork with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 00:21.14 | WobWork | ow |
| 00:21.21 | WobWork | Okay, we've proven that then. |
| 00:21.21 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft, that's just ketchup. |
| 00:21.29 | WobWork | We don't have ketchup |
| 00:21.34 | WobWork | it'd have to be tomato sauce |
| 00:21.56 | Lunessa | oooo... A little garlic and some olive oil and that's good eating! |
| 00:21.58 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. that would explain the chunks |
| 00:23.35 | WobWork | I prefer the finely diced tomatos |
| 00:23.38 | WobWork | some basil |
| 00:23.42 | WobWork | and olive oil |
| 00:23.45 | WobWork | over some ciabatta |
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| 00:26.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i ciabatta'd your mom |
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| 00:39.01 | Cidan | yay Diablo 2 playable at Blizzcon \o/ |
| 00:39.06 | Cidan | I hope it has a good UI interface |
| 00:39.26 | ScytheBlade1 | D2? |
| 00:39.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you mean D3? |
| 00:41.38 | WobWork | Nah, Blizzard are going oldschool |
| 00:45.31 | End | wtf, one of my guildies is finally taking care of his alcoholism problem |
| 00:46.34 | Sixen | Heh, all bnet games are playable at BC |
| 00:46.40 | Sixen | Even Lost Vikings on SNES, ^_^ |
| 00:47.38 | End | Sixen: wow, neat |
| 00:47.54 | Sixen | = |
| 00:47.55 | Sixen | =) |
| 00:48.25 | Sixen | :( |
| 00:48.29 | Sixen | Skullcap? |
| 00:48.30 | Sixen | =D |
| 00:48.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ... no... |
| 00:48.44 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 00:48.44 | NeoTron | End: we had a resto druid recruit... that was on Illidan |
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| 00:49.03 | NeoTron | and in phase 2 he stood outside the center area and all phases he was out of tree form |
| 00:49.30 | NeoTron | and we tried everythinf we possibly could to get him to get his act together. after we wiped partially because of him he said something like |
| 00:49.43 | NeoTron | "I'm so drunk I don't even know where I am. how do I get back?" |
| 00:49.48 | NeoTron | needless to say, he failed his trial |
| 00:49.54 | End | wow |
| 00:50.11 | NightHawkTheSane | see, lesson #1, save the drunken raiding until you're a full member. |
| 00:50.36 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.06 | NightHawkTheSane | and probably have been justified, but i feel my point stands ;) |
| 00:52.01 | End | I've raided while drunk, but I start falling out of my chair before I can get lost :P |
| 00:52.33 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 00:52.33 | Sixen | Bye everyone! 6 hour drive to Cali...~ |
| 00:52.43 | Atriace | according to my reading, '...' should result in a list with the remaining variables, but when I do "local msg, ... = strsplit(" ", msg)" I keep get the error "<name> expected near '...'". Anybody know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 00:52.50 | NightHawkTheSane | usually the raids well over by the time i'm ddrunk enough for it to affect anything |
| 00:54.07 | Corrodias | bye Sixen. you bum. |
| 00:57.09 | End | wow |
| 00:57.18 | End | like my half my guild has that bejeweled addon now |
| 00:58.14 | Syzgyn | I started demoting people to no talking priveleges if they announced it in gchat |
| 00:58.22 | Syzgyn | Then our GM got it :\ |
| 00:58.59 | End | lol |
| 00:59.00 | Atriace | lua> function foo(msg) msg, ... = strsplit(" ", msg); print(msg..": ") print(...); end foo("message is a bloody bunny") |
| 00:59.00 | WobWork | Now you need to write an addon that monitors if anyone in the raid is currently playing it |
| 00:59.01 | lua_bot | Atriace: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '...' |
| 00:59.04 | End | I turned that off immediately :P |
| 00:59.20 | Atriace | lua> function foo(msg) msg, ... = strsplit(" ", msg) print(...) end foo("message is a bloody bunny") |
| 00:59.21 | lua_bot | Atriace: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '...' |
| 00:59.24 | End | I don't play it during raid though, unless we're waiting on people |
| 00:59.29 | WobWork | Atriace: You can't use Ellipses like that |
| 00:59.40 | WobWork | only in the function def |
| 00:59.44 | Atriace | yay! somebody that knows what I'm doing wrong |
| 00:59.53 | Atriace | wait what? |
| 01:00.00 | Corrodias | that is the definition of a function there |
| 01:00.01 | WobWork | function (foo, ...) |
| 01:00.05 | WobWork | sorry |
| 01:00.07 | Corrodias | that's the signature |
| 01:00.11 | WobWork | only in the signature |
| 01:00.11 | Atriace | :o |
| 01:00.29 | End | I think a better thing to say |
| 01:00.32 | End | is you can't write to it |
| 01:00.36 | WobWork | yes |
| 01:01.03 | End | at first I saw the print(...) and wondered what WobWork was talking about :P |
| 01:01.11 | Atriace | so... maybe: messages = { strsplit(" ", msg) } ? |
| 01:01.43 | WobWork | What are you trying to achieve? |
| 01:02.12 | Atriace | I'll pastey it. It's a small function for slash cmds |
| 01:02.41 | Atriace | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97929 |
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| 01:04.23 | Atriace | And my new format: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97930 |
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| 01:05.25 | WobWork | that all depends on how that function is called |
| 01:05.35 | WobWork | but yes, that'll work |
| 01:05.55 | WobWork | ... in the signature is used when there are an unknown number of arguments to the function |
| 01:06.24 | Atriace | right... it was that "whatever is left" thinking that I thought it would be perfect for strsplit, but oh well. |
| 01:06.45 | Atriace | btw, my new method doesn't seem to be working... I'm debugging it now. |
| 01:06.52 | WobWork | also, I'm not sure how well that function will work for empty msg |
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| 01:08.34 | Atriace | lol |
| 01:08.48 | Atriace | I guess it would help if I converted all the old msg to messages[1] |
| 01:09.34 | WobWork | and you're passing everything to the new function |
| 01:09.39 | WobWork | including the initial arg |
| 01:09.58 | WobWork | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97931 |
| 01:10.19 | WobWork | er, that should be messages[1] |
| 01:10.22 | WobWork | but yeah |
| 01:11.24 | Atriace | Just saw that. |
| 01:13.22 | Atriace | Final format (works): http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97932. Thanks for the help, Wob. :) |
| 01:16.44 | WobWork | no wukkas |
| 01:17.25 | WobWork | what happens if you input an empty msg to that function? |
| 01:22.01 | Atriace | It tests the length of msg and if the result is zero it prints "No command given" (tested true) |
| 01:22.43 | Atriace | the length of nil is 0 |
| 01:27.59 | WobWork | lua> string.lower(nil) |
| 01:28.00 | lua_bot | WobWork: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'lower' (string expected, got nil) |
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| 01:28.24 | WobWork | lua> string.len(nil) |
| 01:28.25 | lua_bot | WobWork: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'len' (string expected, got nil) |
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| 01:30.05 | Yssaril | lua> strsplit(" ", '') |
| 01:30.06 | lua_bot | Yssaril: No output |
| 01:31.58 | WobWork | lua> string.lower({strsplit(" ", '')}[1]) |
| 01:31.59 | lua_bot | WobWork: luabot:1: ')' expected near '[' |
| 01:32.11 | WobWork | lua> {strsplit(" ", '')} |
| 01:32.11 | lua_bot | WobWork: table: 0x8082be8 |
| 01:32.29 | smcn | need more parens |
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| 01:32.42 | WobWork | lua> t = {strsplit(" ", '')}; string.lower(t[1]) |
| 01:32.43 | lua_bot | WobWork: No output |
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| 01:39.58 | Atriace | lua> function foo(msg) messages = {strsplit(" ", msg)} msgLength = string.len(messages[1]); messages[1] = string.lower(messages[1]); if msgLength==0 then print("No command given") elseif msgLength>0 then print("you have a message") end end foo() |
| 01:39.58 | lua_bot | Atriace: modules/luabot_sandbox.lua:128: bad argument #1 to 'match' (string expected, got nil) |
| 01:40.21 | Atriace | ~fail lua_bot |
| 01:40.22 | purl | You suck at everything in life, lua_bot. I hate you because you fail. |
| 01:40.51 | Atriace | It works in-game, that's all I can say. |
| 01:41.02 | NightHawkTheSane | is it wrong that i get a sick amusement out of seeing a boomkin's treants go after my stoneclaw totem? |
| 01:41.27 | Neuro_Medivh | you know what's better? Seeing a fury warrior go after stoneclaw |
| 01:41.57 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, okay, that would be better :p |
| 01:42.18 | Neuro_Medivh | to be fair, I was resto, and he was killing off all my totems trying to run me OOM |
| 01:42.44 | Neuro_Medivh | so I dropped stoneclaw (which he wasn't very familiar with) and started freaking out at this super-totem that kept stunning him |
| 01:43.58 | Neuro_Medivh | I was laughing for a good 10 minutes solid after that |
| 01:47.26 | WobWork | Atriace: You may be using wow specific luafunctions |
| 01:47.29 | Yssaril | is there a function that parses a macro and gives me its icon? the ? icon replacement using #st i mean |
| 01:47.41 | Atriace | probably |
| 01:47.53 | WobWork | Neuro_Medivh: rofl |
| 01:48.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: have you looked at wowwiki? |
| 01:48.07 | WobWork | stoneclaw's change is the best thing ever |
| 01:48.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, even a cursory glance? i'm going to go with no. |
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| 01:49.59 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: yea didn't see anything there but wowwiki can be outdated at times |
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| 02:03.23 | Atriace | How would you convert a variable path in string form to a global call? |
| 02:03.43 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, explain what you mean? |
| 02:03.48 | Atriace | For example: "LibStub.libs.foo.subfoo.var" |
| 02:03.52 | NightHawkTheSane | oh. |
| 02:04.19 | Atriace | I think I asked this earlier today, but my chat window has since lost the convo... |
| 02:04.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i think i said this last night, i'd split it at the .'s, and then just use array references to get where you need. |
| 02:04.32 | Atriace | lol |
| 02:04.37 | Atriace | was that last night? |
| 02:05.33 | NightHawkTheSane | something like results = strsplit(string, "."); for k,v in pairs(results) do if mytable is nil then mytable = _G["v"] else mytable = mytable["v"] end; end; |
| 02:05.39 | Corrodias | holy shit. butterscotch schnapps. enough has been said. |
| 02:05.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: indeed, good sir |
| 02:06.11 | Kaso | _G["v"] ? |
| 02:07.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaso: basically to pull the first part out of the global namespace |
| 02:07.19 | NightHawkTheSane | in his example that would be "LibStub", i assme it would work. i could be way off. ;) |
| 02:08.10 | Kaso | the quotes shouldnt be there |
| 02:09.25 | NightHawkTheSane | er, right |
| 02:10.07 | Kaso | too much php/perl i think |
| 02:10.10 | Atriace | results = { strsplit(string, ".") } for k,v in pairs(results) do if mytable is nil then myObj = _G[v] else myObj = myObj[v] end end |
| 02:10.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaso: that too, likely |
| 02:10.36 | Atriace | I didn't see it until I retyped it with tabs, but that's brilliant. I was wondering how object path concatenation could happen. |
| 02:13.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't call it brilliant, but *shrug* |
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| 02:17.42 | End | goog god |
| 02:17.44 | End | good god |
| 02:17.47 | End | lag spikes |
| 02:17.51 | End | and guess what boss is next |
| 02:17.58 | End | mother! |
| 02:18.08 | NightHawkTheSane | YOUR mother. |
| 02:18.12 | End | well |
| 02:18.18 | End | I don't think she's my mother |
| 02:18.42 | End | if anything |
| 02:18.49 | End | I'd call her a madam |
| 02:19.38 | NightHawkTheSane | you shouldn't say such things about your mother, it's not nice |
| 02:19.47 | End | she's not my mother! |
| 02:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | you're so mean! |
| 02:20.05 | NightHawkTheSane | you're totally out of the will |
| 02:20.10 | End | fine! |
| 02:20.18 | End | I have her shoulders already anyways! |
| 02:20.24 | End | I don't need anything else from her! |
| 02:20.35 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU RAVAGED HER CORPSE AND TOOK HER SHOULDERS?! YOU SICK FREAK |
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| 02:21.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i probably could have done without the WHOLE thing in caps. |
| 02:21.05 | End | probably |
| 02:21.17 | NightHawkTheSane | but i was on a roll, you know? |
| 02:21.43 | End | indeed you were |
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| 02:24.44 | NightHawkTheSane | so yeah, good luck with your mother, give her my love. |
| 02:26.49 | End | she doesn't love you any longer |
| 02:27.55 | End | fucking lag spikes! |
| 02:27.57 | End | are retarded |
| 02:29.22 | NightHawkTheSane | no, pvpers are retarded |
| 02:29.25 | NightHawkTheSane | lag spikes just suck |
| 02:29.37 | End | true |
| 02:30.23 | End | I can probably fix my lag by rerouting through my linode or something, but that doesn't help any of my guildies |
| 02:37.22 | Corrodias | the fact that newegg has not yet delivered the thing i ordered today is retarded. |
| 02:39.43 | Corrodias | where is my instant materializer? |
| 02:40.30 | NightHawkTheSane | in my pants |
| 02:42.41 | End | hahaha |
| 02:43.03 | End | someone got teleported into a couch |
| 02:43.24 | WobWork | get them to find the remote control |
| 02:43.29 | WobWork | and the extra change |
| 02:43.36 | WobWork | and possibly the cat |
| 02:45.17 | End | wow |
| 02:45.22 | End | I mentioned that on vent |
| 02:45.39 | End | and someone mentioned a hairly lollipop |
| 02:45.46 | End | and then..a used condom |
| 02:45.52 | WobWork | >< |
| 02:45.55 | End | time to change the subject! |
| 02:45.57 | NightHawkTheSane | note to self: don't visit their houses. |
| 02:46.01 | End | no kidding |
| 02:46.14 | WobWork | note to self: If I have to visit their houses, don't root around on the couch |
| 02:46.19 | End | no kidding |
| 02:46.34 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, im pretty sure "don't root around on the couch" is just standard advice, really |
| 02:47.02 | End | true |
| 02:49.22 | WobWork | rooting on the couch leads to the used condoms |
| 02:49.31 | WobWork | at least for aussies |
| 02:51.12 | Thunder_Child | so rooting makes you wasnt to have sex with the couch? |
| 02:51.56 | WobWork | no |
| 02:52.05 | WobWork | "to root" is the verb to have sex |
| 02:53.26 | NightHawkTheSane | crazy aussies with your crazy aussie language. |
| 02:53.38 | NightHawkTheSane | use a sane verb, like fuck, or shag, or something :p |
| 02:53.57 | WobWork | You imply sanity to verbs? |
| 02:54.01 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, it also means to look around |
| 02:54.12 | Thunder_Child | or rather, to dig through to look |
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| 02:54.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine he's aware of that as well |
| 02:54.30 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: yeah, it's like "thongs" |
| 02:54.39 | WobWork | except the other way around |
| 02:54.47 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, no rooting is not like thongs |
| 02:54.54 | Thunder_Child | go back to english |
| 02:54.57 | Thunder_Child | class |
| 02:55.03 | WobWork | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 02:55.04 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Thunder_Child. I hate you because you fail. |
| 02:55.20 | WobWork | thongs in Australia are an entirely innocent thing |
| 02:55.37 | WobWork | not like you randy americans |
| 02:55.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not randy. |
| 02:55.49 | WobWork | okay |
| 02:55.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm jon. |
| 02:55.56 | NightHawkTheSane | it's an entirely different name. |
| 02:56.05 | WobWork | not like you jon americans |
| 02:56.18 | WobWork | (doesn't quite have the same ring, NH) |
| 02:56.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i get told that a lot. |
| 02:57.34 | Thunder_Child | ~calm Thunder_Child |
| 02:57.34 | purl | ACTION sooths Thunder_Child, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Thunder_Child down. |
| 02:57.40 | Atriace | Why am I not finding an API on getting server time on wowwiki, I wonder... |
| 02:58.27 | NightHawkTheSane | gettime() |
| 02:58.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
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| 02:58.38 | NightHawkTheSane | or date()\ |
| 03:00.41 | NightHawkTheSane | you know |
| 03:00.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm glad they stopped makinig raids 40 man |
| 03:01.06 | NightHawkTheSane | grid gets pretty damn big with 50+ unit frames. |
| 03:01.57 | Duman | wheee |
| 03:02.29 | Duman | LA traffic = ASSTASTIC |
| 03:07.41 | Corrodias | you = BUM |
| 03:07.57 | Corrodias | when does the convention take place, anyway? |
| 03:09.26 | Duman | tomorrow and sat |
| 03:09.36 | NightHawkTheSane | just fri/sat? not sunday? |
| 03:10.23 | Duman | just fri/sat |
| 03:10.32 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, shorter than i thought |
| 03:10.44 | Duman | I saw some red Eclipse w/ "Blizzcon 2008" painted on its windows as I drove down today |
| 03:10.53 | Duman | washington plates |
| 03:11.04 | Duman | I would have snapped a pic, but I was hauling ass |
| 03:11.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd hate to have driven that far. |
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| 03:15.01 | Duman | ok, gonna go get some dessert at IHOP or something |
| 03:17.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ /me & |
| 03:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That's ein |
| 03:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | *win |
| 03:18.22 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, the sad part is the way they stack the pannels |
| 03:18.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: eh? |
| 03:18.55 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, the D3 and WoW UI pannels are at the same time :( |
| 03:19.03 | NightHawkTheSane | >< |
| 03:19.09 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
| 03:19.14 | Thunder_Child | now i have to decide |
| 03:19.18 | Thunder_Child | and i DONT WANT TO HAVE TO |
| 03:19.35 | NightHawkTheSane | couldn't they have put one of those opposite the class QQFest^WPanel |
| 03:19.59 | Thunder_Child | better yet, one of the artwork pannels |
| 03:20.14 | Thunder_Child | SCII artwork and WoW UI would have been great |
| 03:20.24 | Thunder_Child | completly different |
| 03:20.51 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 03:23.14 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, I just got invited to the WoW beta! |
| 03:23.23 | WobWork | grats! |
| 03:23.25 | Neuro_Medivh | and they didn't even have to include a KEY |
| 03:23.53 | NightHawkTheSane | they just ask you to visit this one website and confirm your account information? :P |
| 03:23.56 | Neuro_Medivh | I wonder why the website h1.ripway.com is linked, when it says beta.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 03:23.59 | Neuro_Medivh | yep! |
| 03:24.06 | NightHawkTheSane | that's so nice of them! |
| 03:25.49 | Neuro_Medivh | it's a very nice copy of blizzard's website |
| 03:26.04 | Neuro_Medivh | though, the URL completely give it away |
| 03:27.17 | Neuro_Medivh | oooh, it even has a nice TOS page |
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| 03:32.48 | Xinhuan | did the key work? ;p |
| 03:35.45 | Neuro_Medivh | which key |
| 03:37.31 | WobWork | The one they didn't give you |
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| 04:12.19 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 04:12.19 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10971909799&sid=1 |
| 04:16.07 | WobWork | rofl |
| 04:16.16 | WobWork | sbo: you suk |
| 04:16.44 | WobWork | Jesus, this is why I joined ToG =P |
| 04:17.45 | WobWork | lol at xkcd |
| 04:17.51 | WobWork | "awww c'mon" |
| 04:23.44 | ScytheBlade1 | WobWork: is that thread not awesome? |
| 04:24.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: that thread is awesome. WobWork: that xkcd is win |
| 04:30.34 | WobWork | ScytheBlade1: You can see Strykkz running around like a four year old with a new word =P |
| 04:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol yeah exactly |
| 04:36.25 | WobWork | BlizzCon 2008 hand sanitizer |
| 04:36.29 | WobWork | ...wtf? |
| 04:38.31 | NightHawkTheSane | well you wouldn't want to get the con plague |
| 04:38.38 | NightHawkTheSane | and.. let's face it.. at a blizzard con? it's gotta be rampant. |
| 04:39.47 | NightHawkTheSane | and now, you can sanitize your hands with the ONLY officially endorced by blizzard, BlizzCon 2008 Hand Sanitizer. (not guaranteed to actually sanitize your hands) |
| 04:41.16 | WobWork | hm, not overly impressed with the swagbag |
| 04:42.13 | WobWork | I'd've expected a whole lot more for the price of the ticket |
| 04:42.28 | WobWork | well a whole lot more permanant stuff and not just brochures |
| 04:43.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i think they assumed all the rabid fanbois would see the "zomgbearmountwithmurloc" and be appeased. |
| 04:44.05 | Duman | whee |
| 04:44.18 | Duman | ok, takes like 10-15m to walk to the convention center from my hotel |
| 04:44.19 | Duman | not bad |
| 04:44.20 | WobWork | hurrah, I can spend another $40 for a tiny plush murloc |
| 04:44.24 | WobWork | ... yaaay.... |
| 04:44.44 | WobWork | So, what's the bear mount they're offering? |
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| 04:45.53 | NightHawkTheSane | a.. polar bear mount.. with a murloc on it. |
| 04:46.29 | WobWork | the murloc is riding the bear? |
| 04:46.40 | WobWork | where do -you- sit? |
| 04:46.59 | NightHawkTheSane | the murloc is on the bears head |
| 04:47.04 | NightHawkTheSane | you sit where you normally sit on a bear |
| 04:47.07 | WobWork | oh |
| 04:47.09 | WobWork | like a hat |
| 04:47.14 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/dtv/?rhtml=y |
| 04:47.17 | NightHawkTheSane | the sidebar has a picture |
| 04:47.55 | WobWork | and models still look ridiculous on the mount =P |
| 04:48.16 | NightHawkTheSane | you still look ridiculous on the mount |
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| 04:52.36 | WobWork | <3 once again brk's rhinobowling movie |
| 05:06.15 | NightHawkTheSane | 6 more av tokens until the stone guard tabard |
| 05:09.45 | Duman | maybe I should just crash out |
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| 05:16.58 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, since when are steals not dispellable? |
| 05:19.13 | Shirik|AFK | uf |
| 05:19.27 | Shirik|AFK | all wowi out having fun = big queue to return to :( |
| 05:20.01 | Shirik|AFK | wtf |
| 05:20.03 | Shirik|AFK | 3 things just disappeared |
| 05:20.23 | Corrodias | i waved my magic wand~* |
| 05:20.32 | Corrodias | do not anger me, or 3 more things will disappear. |
| 05:20.38 | Shirik|AFK | I know I'm not going crazy |
| 05:20.41 | Shirik|AFK | there aren't 3 things left! |
| 05:20.56 | Corrodias | how many are left? |
| 05:21.06 | Shirik|AFK | you're the wizard, you figure it out |
| 05:21.13 | Corrodias | just for that, the third will be a surprise. in your pants. |
| 05:21.22 | WobWork | That's what -she- said! |
| 05:21.23 | Shirik|AFK | o.o |
| 05:21.35 | Shirik|AFK | also, my pen from blizzcon is defective |
| 05:21.42 | Shirik|AFK | I think they did it intentionally so I can take it apart and try to fix it |
| 05:21.50 | WobWork | They had you in mind? |
| 05:21.53 | Shirik|AFK | yes |
| 05:23.05 | Corrodias | aw, i like when my little kitty boy sits on my lap |
| 05:23.25 | NightHawkTheSane | you like when boys sit on your lap? |
| 05:24.23 | Corrodias | i'm not saying no... ;P |
| 05:25.14 | Shirik|AFK | I look at my phone, I get messages from accuweather with warnings |
| 05:25.26 | Shirik|AFK | "tornado warning issued 12:34" |
| 05:25.27 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:25.30 | Shirik|AFK | I now look at my email |
| 05:25.44 | Shirik|AFK | Date:Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:35:19 -0400 |
| 05:25.44 | Shirik|AFK | Subject:TORNADO WARNING |
| 05:25.54 | Shirik|AFK | I'm trying to figure out why they would even bother 4 hours later |
| 05:27.43 | WobWork | maybe they offered it in UCT |
| 05:28.12 | Shirik|AFK | and omg I can't even think right now |
| 05:28.43 | Shirik|AFK | Wake up at 5 AM Wednesday to finish stuff, stay up until midnight, realize that I can't go to sleep because I have to do laundry and be out the door by 4 AM to catch flight |
| 05:28.52 | Shirik|AFK | and then I turn the clocks 3 hours back |
| 05:29.10 | Shirik|AFK | Not to mention standing 2 hours in line to get my pass to blizzcon |
| 05:29.13 | WobWork | super duper daylightsavings? |
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| 05:33.12 | NightHawkTheSane | daylight savings is back. with a vengeance |
| 05:35.27 | Shirik|AFK | it's daylight savings, leap days, and leap seconds all rolled into one nice package |
| 05:47.45 | Cidan | Shirik|AFK: having fun thus far? |
| 05:51.54 | Cidan | http://xkcd.com/487/ |
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| 06:00.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|AFK: go to sleep |
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| 06:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Linux ksb 2.6.27 #2 SMP PREEMPT Fri Oct 10 00:00:56 MDT 2008 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 06:11.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And now to see if I wake up to smoke billowing out of my computer |
| 06:15.26 | Cidan | oh hey |
| 06:15.33 | Cidan | you installed 2.6.27 |
| 06:15.46 | Cidan | I just read the release notes like, an hour aog |
| 06:15.49 | Cidan | ago, even |
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| 06:38.26 | erikd | blizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzcooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon |
| 06:40.09 | Cidan | Yes, but is it Blizzcon? |
| 06:40.42 | erikd | yup |
| 06:41.03 | erikd | hotel internet is really laggy =/ |
| 06:41.42 | erikd | anyone in here staying at the ramada by the center? |
| 06:42.53 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, a lot of people in here aren't at the con. |
| 06:43.20 | erikd | =/ |
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| 06:43.40 | erikd | i figured most people would be going |
| 06:44.14 | nevcairiel | way too expensive to fly over to the US |
| 06:44.18 | NightHawkTheSane | there are 147 people in this channel |
| 06:44.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think all of them are going. :P |
| 06:45.15 | End | I don't think most are active ;-p |
| 06:46.24 | NightHawkTheSane | shush you. |
| 06:46.33 | erikd | well, since i use irssi and can't see the user list i tend to think that ther's only 10-20 people in here :) |
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| 06:51.51 | Atriace | What's the object name of the global table? |
| 06:52.56 | Cidan | erikd: I use irssi too |
| 06:53.01 | Cidan | erikd: try /who |
| 06:54.07 | Cidan | erikd: Or even better, /names |
| 06:54.35 | Cidan | Atriace: I... don't remember. |
| 06:57.11 | Cidan | isn't it like |
| 06:57.12 | Cidan | G? |
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| 06:57.48 | Cidan | or _G |
| 06:57.50 | Atriace | well... I know you can reference a variable inside the global table by using _G[var], but that doesn't look like a variable name |
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| 06:57.59 | ZorbaBeta | argh. I've managed to logically prove that the bug can't exist >:( |
| 06:58.03 | erikd | cidan: yeah, i mean it doesn't show all the time like on a graphical irc client |
| 06:58.09 | ZorbaBeta | atriace, I believe _G is indeed considered to be a table |
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| 06:58.18 | Cidan | _G is a table |
| 06:58.29 | Cidan | ZorbaBeta: ? |
| 06:59.01 | Cidan | Why are you touching _G anyway, you naughty naughty boy? |
| 06:59.08 | Atriace | According to my function, _G isn't a table. |
| 06:59.13 | Cidan | Never ever touch _G, unless you know the woman. |
| 06:59.32 | Cidan | hm |
| 06:59.38 | Cidan | do we still have a lua bot? |
| 06:59.39 | Atriace | I just wanted to feel her up, find out what's molding in it. |
| 06:59.44 | Cidan | lua> print(0); |
| 06:59.45 | lua_bot | Cidan: 0 |
| 07:00.09 | Quezacolt | can you pastey the function that's saying _G isn't a table? |
| 07:00.11 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, while I've managed to prove the nonexistence of the bug, so far the bug is not demonstrating any sort of agreement with me >:( |
| 07:00.43 | Cidan | You're not making any sense |
| 07:00.58 | Atriace | Quezacolt: easier said than done. It'd actually be easier to write a new function that specifically tested _G as a var than pasteying it here. |
| 07:01.05 | Cidan | and Atriace, do a pairs loop through G, enjoy your print results |
| 07:01.07 | Quezacolt | ah, ok |
| 07:01.19 | Atriace | Cidan: Will do |
| 07:02.53 | Cidan | Bah |
| 07:03.01 | Cidan | I should have gone to Blizzcon |
| 07:03.03 | Cidan | meh |
| 07:05.09 | Atriace | lol |
| 07:05.20 | Atriace | ok, so _G works as the variable for the global table. |
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| 07:06.18 | Cidan | =D |
| 07:06.19 | Cidan | also |
| 07:06.21 | Cidan | what the fuck |
| 07:06.30 | Cidan | I think my tonsil is... regenerating? |
| 07:06.40 | Cidan | I had it taken out a bit over a year ago, but it looks like it's growing...back? |
| 07:06.44 | Cidan | what the... hell. |
| 07:06.48 | Cidan | Is that even possible? |
| 07:06.51 | Cidan | So off topic, lol. |
| 07:13.51 | Cidan | Well shit, it seems it is possible. |
| 07:13.53 | clad|sleep | lua> print(type(_G)) |
| 07:13.53 | lua_bot | clad|sleep: table |
| 07:13.58 | clad|sleep | lua> print(type(getfenv(0)) |
| 07:13.59 | lua_bot | clad|sleep: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 07:14.02 | clad|sleep | lua> print(type(getfenv(0))) |
| 07:14.02 | lua_bot | clad|sleep: table |
| 07:14.04 | clad|sleep | Atriace: ^^ |
| 07:14.19 | clad|sleep | It is most certainly, in all cases in a stock Lua interpreter, a table. |
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| 07:14.31 | Atriace | Danka |
| 07:15.47 | Atriace | I wrote a separate function that looped through _G to test for its existence, so apparently my other function simply didn't accept my argument properly. |
| 07:16.40 | Atriace | lol |
| 07:16.54 | Atriace | and I just found out why... |
| 07:17.06 | Atriace | good golly, is it really 3 AM already? |
| 07:17.18 | End | no, it's just past 1 AM |
| 07:17.26 | End | L2havealessshittytimezone |
| 07:17.31 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft |
| 07:17.35 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a quarter past midnight |
| 07:17.39 | NightHawkTheSane | l2westcoast, bitch. :) |
| 07:18.25 | Atriace | alright, here's a stumper... |
| 07:18.41 | Atriace | how do you convert "_G" into _G? |
| 07:18.55 | clad|sleep | two ways |
| 07:19.02 | clad|sleep | lua> loadstring("return _G")() |
| 07:19.03 | lua_bot | clad|sleep: table: 0x806a450 |
| 07:19.11 | clad|sleep | lua> getglobal("_G") |
| 07:19.11 | lua_bot | clad|sleep: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'getglobal' (a nil value) |
| 07:19.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh, i entirely forgot about loadstring |
| 07:19.16 | clad|sleep | in WoW that is. |
| 07:19.28 | Atriace | never heard of loadstring |
| 07:19.32 | Atriace | cooooooool |
| 07:19.34 | clad|sleep | !api loadstring |
| 07:19.34 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'loadstring' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-loadstring |
| 07:19.51 | NightHawkTheSane | that makes a few things easier.. |
| 07:20.30 | ZorbaBeta | _G["_G"] |
| 07:20.31 | ZorbaBeta | :D |
| 07:20.43 | ZorbaBeta | (I have no idea if that works but I'd expect it to) |
| 07:20.48 | Cidan | uh |
| 07:20.52 | clad|sleep | lua> _G._G._G._G |
| 07:20.52 | lua_bot | clad|sleep: table: 0x806a450 |
| 07:21.00 | Cidan | hah |
| 07:21.11 | ZorbaBeta | awesome :D |
| 07:21.20 | Cidan | That's amusing |
| 07:21.32 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder what happens if you try to reassign _G |
| 07:21.51 | Cidan | lua> _G = nil; |
| 07:21.51 | lua_bot | Cidan: No output |
| 07:22.05 | ckknight | lua> _G = nil; print("zomg"); print(_G) |
| 07:22.06 | lua_bot | ckknight: zomg, nil |
| 07:22.12 | ckknight | no big whoop, really |
| 07:22.14 | Cidan | it's sandboxed, so it won't work on the bot |
| 07:22.17 | clad|sleep | lua> local p = print; _G = {}; p("Nothing happens other than the environment going bye-bye") |
| 07:22.18 | lua_bot | clad|sleep: Nothing happens other than the environment going bye-bye |
| 07:22.22 | ZorbaBeta | entertaining. I imagine that potentially breaks stuff. |
| 07:22.30 | ckknight | lua> print(getfenv(0) == _G) |
| 07:22.31 | lua_bot | ckknight: true |
| 07:22.32 | clad|sleep | *shrug* not particularly |
| 07:22.40 | ZorbaBeta | well, anything that uses _G :P |
| 07:24.04 | Atriace | Is there a way of deriving a functions arguments from inside the runtime? |
| 07:24.30 | Atriace | I know functions are in tables, and I know how to get their names, but not arguments to the functions. |
| 07:24.44 | clad|sleep | huh? |
| 07:24.55 | ZorbaBeta | functions don't really have an argument list in lua, as I understand it |
| 07:25.02 | cladhaire | HUH? |
| 07:25.03 | ZorbaBeta | there's nothing requiring you to pass any particular number of arguments to any function |
| 07:25.20 | cladhaire | if you want to derive the function signature.. than no. |
| 07:25.23 | ckknight | ZorbaBeta: that just means the argument tuple's not checked |
| 07:25.23 | cladhaire | as ZorbaBeta says |
| 07:25.54 | ZorbaBeta | ck, yeah, but I mean, "function objects" are opaque in that sense - they take "from zero to infinity arguments", and any sanity checking has to be done *inside* the function |
| 07:26.03 | ckknight | truth |
| 07:26.05 | ZorbaBeta | there's simply no concept of a "correct" number of arguments to pass. |
| 07:26.18 | ZorbaBeta | (one of the things I loathe about lua :P) |
| 07:26.30 | ckknight | has its ups and downs |
| 07:26.39 | Corrodias | so you can't have different functions whose signature differs only by the argument list? (having the same name) |
| 07:26.56 | Corrodias | whose signatures differ |
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| 07:27.02 | ckknight | Corrodias: the issue with that is how are you referring to the function? |
| 07:27.04 | Corrodias | bit of a plurality error there |
| 07:27.11 | ZorbaBeta | corrodias, no, but you can just make one function that does different things based on what arguments are passed in |
| 07:27.17 | ckknight | if you're doing local f() end; local f(thing) end, you've overwritten your first function |
| 07:27.20 | Corrodias | hey, i'm just checking |
| 07:27.25 | ckknight | if you define it in a table, you overwrite the key |
| 07:27.26 | Atriace | cladhaire: functions can be stored in tables, so when printing a table a functions name/entry appears. Its value is not something I know how to access, but I would assume its a pointer to the memory address where the function is stored. It would seem plausable that you could then fetch the function arguments as part of that data. That's my question. |
| 07:27.32 | Corrodias | understood. awesome. |
| 07:27.41 | cladhaire | Atriace: not without the debug api |
| 07:27.44 | cladhaire | and that's not available in WoW |
| 07:27.51 | cladhaire | or anythign that's even considered slightly sandboxes. |
| 07:27.53 | ckknight | so defining something with the "same name" just causes the second to overwrite the first |
| 07:27.56 | cladhaire | s/es/ed/ |
| 07:27.57 | Atriace | ... there's a debug API? |
| 07:28.03 | cladhaire | !debug |
| 07:28.07 | cladhaire | !api debug |
| 07:28.07 | lua_bot | Found 26 possible matches for 'debug'. Please be more specific |
| 07:28.14 | cladhaire | yes, perhaps you should .. read the reference manual? |
| 07:28.22 | End | jeez cladhaire, be more specific |
| 07:28.35 | End | mr. lua_bot can't help you! |
| 07:28.51 | Atriace | ... there's a debug API and Blizzard DOESN'T INCLUDE IT?!!? ... grr |
| 07:28.58 | cladhaire | They can't... |
| 07:29.05 | cladhaire | and you don't need it |
| 07:29.12 | cladhaire | there are about 14 other solutions to your problem, I'ms ure. |
| 07:29.14 | ZorbaBeta | parts of it would be nice :P |
| 07:29.23 | End | we don't need to fuck with upvals |
| 07:29.29 | Atriace | If you say so, but here I am building a debugging mod... |
| 07:29.34 | cladhaire | lots of things would be nice.. |
| 07:29.46 | ckknight | puppies would be nice |
| 07:29.51 | cladhaire | word! |
| 07:29.52 | Atriace | fried or roasted? |
| 07:29.53 | End | ckknight: giev |
| 07:29.53 | ckknight | lets get some of those. |
| 07:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | BlizzCon 2009: Puppies for EVERYONE. |
| 07:31.43 | ZorbaBeta | personally I really wish Blizzard has included Lua's profiling support :/ |
| 07:32.21 | cladhaire | why, they include your own |
| 07:32.28 | cladhaire | or they have their own profling support already included |
| 07:32.31 | cladhaire | both memory and CPU |
| 07:32.34 | cladhaire | and theirs is better |
| 07:32.46 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, "here is a number telling you how much CPU your plugin is using" isn't really the kind of detail I'm looking for |
| 07:32.52 | cladhaire | well |
| 07:32.57 | cladhaire | good thing they give you a hell of a lot more than that. |
| 07:32.59 | cladhaire | you're just not looking |
| 07:33.07 | cladhaire | want function level granularity? |
| 07:33.08 | cladhaire | they providei t! |
| 07:33.13 | ZorbaBeta | actually, I don't |
| 07:33.24 | ZorbaBeta | I want time-based profiling, not function-based |
| 07:33.29 | ZorbaBeta | function-based is ridiculously inaccurate |
| 07:33.48 | cladhaire | well.. CPU % is time based |
| 07:33.51 | cladhaire | just without a specific unit. |
| 07:34.14 | ZorbaBeta | that's true, but it's time based in an unrealistic artificial situation |
| 07:34.15 | cladhaire | and you have high granularity timers that you can use to insert your own debugging code without needing anything else |
| 07:34.32 | ZorbaBeta | since it *does* do function-based profiling, it massively weights function calls as taking far more cpu time than they actually do |
| 07:34.53 | ZorbaBeta | I've managed to get 250x levels of inaccuracy out of profilers based on that before (yes, that's 25,000%) |
| 07:34.57 | nevcairiel | check out Expo on wowace |
| 07:35.03 | nevcairiel | it does profiling of its own |
| 07:35.43 | ZorbaBeta | I'll check it out, but I'm pretty sure it's provable that what I'm looking for literally can't be done without VM support |
| 07:36.01 | Cidan | ZorbaBeta: What are you yapping about? |
| 07:36.13 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, read the scrollback |
| 07:36.32 | Cidan | ZorbaBeta: Lazy, but, looks like you want... profiling? |
| 07:36.51 | ZorbaBeta | useful profiling. profiling that does not artificially heavily weight function calls. |
| 07:37.15 | cladhaire | cause the function prologue and epilogue shouldn't be counted.. of course |
| 07:37.16 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 07:37.20 | ZorbaBeta | which most do, and which is kind of inevitable if you do it the obvious way |
| 07:37.29 | nevcairiel | If you write code that would be that CPU sensitive, you're doing something wrong in an wow addon imho. |
| 07:37.39 | ZorbaBeta | cladhaire, of course they should. they should not, however, be counted as doing *more* than they would otherwise |
| 07:37.50 | ZorbaBeta | nevcairiel, that's arguably true, but it doesn't really change the fact that I'm doing it, so :) |
| 07:37.55 | Cidan | I disagree |
| 07:38.05 | Cidan | Didn't someone write that Mode7 rendering engine for WoW? |
| 07:38.07 | cladhaire | well all we have to go on in your "experience" that its absurdly wrong |
| 07:38.10 | cladhaire | and that doesn't work for me |
| 07:38.11 | cladhaire | sorry |
| 07:38.26 | nevcairiel | Cidan: yeah |
| 07:38.35 | ZorbaBeta | cladhaire, *shrug* okay. let me know if you decide you want to talk about it more then :P |
| 07:38.38 | cladhaire | If what WoW doesn't provide then http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/debugprofilestart and http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/debugprofilestop can give you anything you want |
| 07:38.43 | cladhaire | well, you don't seem to want to talk abou tit |
| 07:38.49 | cladhaire | without giving us details, you're telling us we're wrong |
| 07:38.50 | Cidan | about tit? |
| 07:38.53 | Cidan | TIT? |
| 07:38.56 | cladhaire | making extremely vague statements |
| 07:38.58 | ZorbaBeta | I'm perfectly willing to talk about it - I've explained it twice |
| 07:38.59 | cladhaire | that's not very productive |
| 07:39.02 | ZorbaBeta | here, I'll give example code |
| 07:39.08 | cladhaire | "I've managed to get 250x levels of inaccuracy out of profilers based on that before (yes, that's 25,000%)" |
| 07:39.12 | cladhaire | you consider that an explanation? |
| 07:39.33 | cladhaire | I'll stop by scrollback, getting in the shower |
| 07:40.09 | ZorbaBeta | I figured you'd ask for clarification if there was something you wanted more details on. |
| 07:40.24 | Cidan | Nice night out, eh? |
| 07:40.27 | cladhaire | well, there _were_ no details.. so I assumed there were none |
| 07:40.43 | Cidan | 0344 hours, the sun is... well, over where cladhaire is right now, but, eh. |
| 07:40.44 | ZorbaBeta | why did you assume that? :P |
| 07:40.45 | cladhaire | forgive my assumption, hence my complains regarding your vagueness when pressed further (which we did) |
| 07:41.12 | cladhaire | well I mentioned the high granularity timers |
| 07:41.16 | cladhaire | and you never said why they don't work for you |
| 07:41.17 | cladhaire | for one |
| 07:41.38 | ZorbaBeta | there's two problems with the high granuarity timers |
| 07:41.42 | cladhaire | it really depends on what you are trying to compare |
| 07:41.50 | cladhaire | and I can't even begin to guess what that might be |
| 07:41.53 | ZorbaBeta | first off, you have to know where to put them, and if I knew where the slowdowns were, I'd already have fixed them :) |
| 07:42.05 | cladhaire | ... |
| 07:42.12 | cladhaire | the % CPU profiling will give you that |
| 07:42.18 | ZorbaBeta | second, it has the same overhead issues that function calls do - activating and deactivating the timers intrinsically takes non-zero time, and that biases the results significantly |
| 07:42.18 | cladhaire | without almost any tweaking or trouble |
| 07:42.27 | cladhaire | NO IT DOESNT |
| 07:42.38 | cladhaire | not if you compare them to other functions that have the exact same pattern |
| 07:42.55 | cladhaire | profiling problems are almost ALWAYS a problem with what you are trying to compare.. not what facilities are avaialble. |
| 07:43.07 | ZorbaBeta | but what if you merely want to find out where your CPU time is being taken, not whether it's faster than an alternative? |
| 07:43.13 | ZorbaBeta | here, just got the demo output |
| 07:43.24 | ZorbaBeta | http://pastey.net/97948 |
| 07:43.43 | ZorbaBeta | in that code, A() and B() take approximately the same amount of time when run without a profiler |
| 07:43.56 | cladhaire | .. okay |
| 07:44.01 | ZorbaBeta | when run with a function-level call profiler, B's time inflates to 500 times that of A |
| 07:44.22 | ZorbaBeta | this is the same behavior I've seen on all function call profilers, I have no doubt I could duplicate it in WoW also. It's just an intrinsic problem with that kind of profiling. |
| 07:44.53 | cladhaire | well two things |
| 07:44.57 | cladhaire | I can't see the code of hte profiler |
| 07:44.59 | ZorbaBeta | (The issue being that B is calling a function C many times, and therefore the overhead that the profiler adds to C()'s function calls is added to B()'s runtime, despite the fact that that overhead doesn't even exist in the real runtime) |
| 07:45.11 | ZorbaBeta | http://lua-users.org/wiki/PepperfishProfiler |
| 07:45.12 | cladhaire | well, WoW gives you a way around that |
| 07:45.18 | cladhaire | you clearly haven't looked at that API.. |
| 07:45.26 | ZorbaBeta | I thought you'd know how these things generally function, my apologies |
| 07:45.31 | cladhaire | i do |
| 07:45.38 | cladhaire | but i don't trust anyone when having a discussion like this |
| 07:45.50 | Wobin | not even his own mother! |
| 07:45.50 | cladhaire | Question |
| 07:45.54 | ZorbaBeta | I have, but I haven't seen anything that seemed to function in that manner |
| 07:45.56 | Cidan | s/when having a discussion like this// |
| 07:45.56 | cladhaire | have you even looked at the API here.. |
| 07:46.27 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetFunctionCPUUsage |
| 07:46.29 | cladhaire | there ya go |
| 07:46.37 | cladhaire | seems to do EXACTLY what you want it to do |
| 07:46.45 | ZorbaBeta | where do you believe that function gets its information from? |
| 07:47.01 | ZorbaBeta | hell, the mere fact that it can return numCalled indicates that it's doing exactly what I *don't* want it to |
| 07:47.08 | cladhaire | *sigh8 |
| 07:47.11 | ZorbaBeta | the kind of profiling I want simply can't return that data :P |
| 07:47.15 | cladhaire | alright |
| 07:47.15 | cladhaire | fine |
| 07:47.19 | cladhaire | awesome |
| 07:47.20 | cladhaire | neat |
| 07:47.24 | cladhaire | don't test, don't even look at it |
| 07:47.27 | Cidan | well ZorbaBeta, I imagine it gets it's data from outside the VM |
| 07:47.30 | cladhaire | just continue to complain.. i'm going to shower. |
| 07:47.37 | ZorbaBeta | sure, I'll test it. It'll take a few minutes. |
| 07:48.00 | Cidan | but I see your point, I mean yes, you can't get perfect accuracy, durr, but you can get an approximate one using timing wheels, etc |
| 07:48.08 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, but that's my point exactly |
| 07:48.18 | ZorbaBeta | you can't even get approximate accuracy with this - the profiling is inherently biased |
| 07:48.30 | ZorbaBeta | you *can* get *much* better accuracy than this standard approach, but you need some support from the VM to do it |
| 07:49.06 | Cidan | I think using the function cladhaire linked, you should be able to do well enough to help you out, since I'm pretty sure that the function pulls data from outside the VM |
| 07:49.15 | Cidan | It's never going to be perfect |
| 07:49.27 | nevcairiel | the API that blizzard added is based in the Lua VM, what makes you assume t hey might not be accurate enough |
| 07:49.30 | ZorbaBeta | 'cept it doesn't matter if the data is derived incorrectly, which it must be for that function to even exist |
| 07:49.40 | ZorbaBeta | nev, the fact that the profiler I use in that example is baed in the Lua VM as well |
| 07:49.48 | ZorbaBeta | merely existing in the VM is not a guarantee of accuracy |
| 07:50.02 | Cidan | Yes of course, but if you look at it, the same overhead is actually added to all functions everyone, to get that sort of data |
| 07:50.08 | Cidan | er, everywhere, rather |
| 07:50.09 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, only when profiling is enabled |
| 07:50.18 | ZorbaBeta | and this is why many people recommend that you turn profiling *off* |
| 07:50.31 | Cidan | Such is life, eh? |
| 07:50.44 | nevcairiel | your profile is written _in_ lua, theirs is somewhere in the C code and can access totally different values |
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| 07:50.48 | ZorbaBeta | yes, well, I'd rather not profile "how your application would behave if it was artificially shackled" :P |
| 07:50.56 | ZorbaBeta | nev, I am aware of how the Lua VM works :P |
| 07:51.00 | Cidan | I mean I see what you're saying, it makes sense, but even the Lua profiler will have overhead. |
| 07:51.09 | ZorbaBeta | what I'm saying is, those values that it accesses are not derived in a particularly useful fashion |
| 07:51.21 | nevcairiel | you say that without testing it |
| 07:51.23 | Cidan | Well we don't know that |
| 07:51.26 | ZorbaBeta | and that, if they had a more complete set of Lua debug APIs, it *would* have the hooks to derive the data |
| 07:51.41 | Cidan | Yes, but that data would also have overhead, no matter what you do |
| 07:51.46 | ZorbaBeta | sure, I'll test it in a minute. Working on it. I can already guarantee you that it will not have the proper behavior though, you literally can't get the proper behavior with those function prototypes |
| 07:51.57 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, you can minimize overhead and evenly distribute it over the program's runtime |
| 07:52.17 | Cidan | You can, sure, but isn't that what cladhaire was just saying...? |
| 07:52.22 | ZorbaBeta | even the lua debug hooks aren't perfect, but they're far, far better. |
| 07:52.38 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, cladhaire was saying "wow's debug profiling is perfect and it's impossible to do better" |
| 07:52.42 | Cidan | Well, give the function a shot, you don't know how Blizzard imp'd them. |
| 07:52.45 | nevcairiel | maybe blizzard used those in their API? You dont know that either :P |
| 07:52.46 | Cidan | and Slouken is no fool. |
| 07:52.47 | ZorbaBeta | I'm saying "it's deeply flawed, and it's possible to do far, far, far better" |
| 07:52.49 | Cidan | He knows his stuff. |
| 07:52.56 | ZorbaBeta | nev, I do know that, because you can't get the information they're providing in any other way. |
| 07:53.09 | Cidan | So then how would the hooks help? |
| 07:53.38 | ZorbaBeta | they don't gather some of the information that that function returns, and as a plus, the information they do gather is far more useful |
| 07:54.18 | nevcairiel | the WoWLua is already heavily modified, you really shouldnt assume too much about the code |
| 07:54.43 | ZorbaBeta | I'm assuming it because, as far as I know, it's *literally not possible* to provide their data in any other way. |
| 07:55.04 | Cidan | Truly, storing every function called and the time used, and number of times it has been called must have some overhead, but... I wonder, is it possible that the CPU time for the call it self is balanced and reduced from the overall timing? |
| 07:55.43 | Cidan | Of course, it would be cheating, but still. |
| 07:55.44 | ZorbaBeta | it's not really possible to. in order to do that, you have to start recording a different timer *before* the part that changes in the program |
| 07:55.46 | nevcairiel | Slouken spent a lot of time on the profiling, and he is a smart guy |
| 07:55.51 | ZorbaBeta | which is impossible, because that, itself, is a change |
| 07:56.06 | Cidan | Slouken is beyond smart, he's better than every single person in here combined. |
| 07:56.10 | Cidan | I almost feel sorry for him. |
| 07:56.11 | Xinhuan | the profiling info, even if biased, is still more useful than having no profiling |
| 07:56.14 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, I would require evidence of that. :P |
| 07:56.25 | Cidan | ZorbaBeta: Talk to the man. |
| 07:56.27 | ZorbaBeta | xinhuan, I'm not arguing that. I'm just wishing it was actually *very* useful. |
| 07:56.34 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 07:56.39 | cladhaire | The problem is what you're asking for |
| 07:56.51 | cladhaire | it seems you want something that provides an actual cost for each function relative to the other functions |
| 07:57.00 | cladhaire | without being inflated in any way due to the actual cost of recording the runtime data |
| 07:57.11 | cladhaire | when in fact, the fact that every single function incurs the exact same overhead provides you with that |
| 07:57.14 | cladhaire | just more slowly |
| 07:57.18 | Xinhuan | an estimation is good enough for most cases |
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| 07:57.20 | ZorbaBeta | aha, you do understand the problem :) |
| 07:57.21 | cladhaire | or am I completely off-base? |
| 07:57.24 | ZorbaBeta | luckily there is, actually, a solution |
| 07:57.25 | nevcairiel | I still argue that if profiling accuracy is needed like that in a wow addon, just dump it and do something else. its going to use too much cpu anyway =P |
| 07:57.26 | cladhaire | that's not a Lua problem |
| 07:57.31 | cladhaire | that's a computing problem :P |
| 07:57.31 | ZorbaBeta | you sample the call stack at given intervals |
| 07:57.37 | ZorbaBeta | yes, well, it's also a solvable one :P |
| 07:57.46 | cladhaire | but its a problem that doesn't need to be solved |
| 07:57.49 | cladhaire | WoW's shown that if nothing else. |
| 07:57.54 | ZorbaBeta | it's a problem I would like solved :) |
| 07:58.10 | nevcairiel | one you will never get solved in wow |
| 07:58.11 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, the alternative is that I'll be running tests in a lua environment that half-mimicks WoW |
| 07:58.12 | nevcairiel | period :P |
| 07:58.14 | ZorbaBeta | I consider this suboptimal |
| 07:58.14 | Cidan | God, I've missed this. |
| 07:58.16 | cladhaire | find me a Lua application that is running as much code as the average Ace addon installation.. and note the fact that it can still pump 16+ fps with full ACCURATE profiling on |
| 07:58.34 | cladhaire | you're inventing your own problem here, I promise |
| 07:58.42 | cladhaire | if we're talking about Lua as a language, thats a bit of a different story |
| 07:59.15 | cladhaire | but between the fact that I can run a simple sed scripts on my addons and have my OWN profiler set up, or use the one that's intrinsic to the client and they both provide accurate correct data *shrug* |
| 07:59.18 | ZorbaBeta | oh, I don't care about the Lua side of it. I'm talking about a computing issue in general. |
| 07:59.45 | cladhaire | well no offense.. but its a problem that only needs to be solved in extreme cases, of which this isn't one. |
| 07:59.46 | ZorbaBeta | lua's just a framework. it happens to be one that I'm forced to use in this case, therefore I wish it provided the tools I'm looking for. |
| 08:00.00 | ZorbaBeta | I never said this *needed* to be solved, I'm just frustrated that it *isn't* |
| 08:00.01 | cladhaire | again, inventing a problem given the circumstance |
| 08:00.06 | ZorbaBeta | I could actually use it |
| 08:00.09 | ZorbaBeta | most people, admittedly, couldn't. |
| 08:00.11 | Cidan | The only time you need that kidn of detail is... networking |
| 08:00.18 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, any kind of high-performance code |
| 08:00.20 | nevcairiel | if you actually *know* the issues of the current profiler, you can take that in accoutn when analyzing the data |
| 08:00.22 | ZorbaBeta | anything where speed is a bottleneck |
| 08:00.33 | cladhaire | ZorbaBeta: none of which apply to WoW. |
| 08:00.34 | Cidan | Well networking is first that comes to mind |
| 08:00.39 | cladhaire | hence our complete and UTTER confusion here |
| 08:00.48 | Cidan | medical systems |
| 08:00.49 | Cidan | uhm. |
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| 08:00.58 | ZorbaBeta | clad, it does to my plugin :) |
| 08:00.59 | nevcairiel | Cidan: nuclear power plant control computers! |
| 08:01.03 | ZorbaBeta | I can use all the CPU WoW can give me. |
| 08:01.04 | Cidan | nevcairiel: Yes! |
| 08:01.15 | cladhaire | ZorbaBeta: .... |
| 08:01.17 | cladhaire | I'm sorry mate |
| 08:01.26 | Cidan | ZorbaBeta: Then you're doing it w... HOLY SHIT CLADHAIRE |
| 08:01.27 | ZorbaBeta | I'm actually having trouble debugging things because I can't run at a good speed with sanity checking enabled |
| 08:01.28 | Cidan | YOU SAID MATE |
| 08:01.29 | cladhaire | but nothing you are doing is more intense than anything half of the people in this channel have done |
| 08:01.41 | nevcairiel | I feel sorry for the people trying to use your addon |
| 08:01.43 | Cidan | You're turning into a brit! |
| 08:01.50 | ZorbaBeta | cladhaire, what, seriously? what's the most cpu-intensive plugin you know about here? |
| 08:01.58 | ZorbaBeta | nev, it's very careful to give CPU back to the system constantly. |
| 08:02.00 | Cidan | RDX, =D |
| 08:02.10 | cladhaire | Auctioneer manages to scan 100k items in the auction house using coroutines while keeping their system running.. and I can run that will FULL profiling on my machine without a single issue. |
| 08:02.17 | ZorbaBeta | you'eve got to be kidding me |
| 08:02.23 | ZorbaBeta | scanning 100k items is not cpu-intensive. |
| 08:02.25 | Xinhuan | can't me more cpu-intensive than mine - i use coroutines to solve TSP ;p |
| 08:02.29 | nevcairiel | most cpu-intensive? Routes |
| 08:02.32 | Cidan | RDX |
| 08:02.32 | ZorbaBeta | that's like a five-second job. and you can even slow down the computer while you're doing it. |
| 08:02.32 | Xinhuan | and it can take minutes |
| 08:02.40 | cladhaire | wow |
| 08:02.43 | cladhaire | you're like.. ridiculous |
| 08:02.51 | ZorbaBeta | xinhuan, hey, so do I, only mine does it constantly while the user is playing :D |
| 08:02.52 | Cidan | RDX6 + profiling will likely make you cry. |
| 08:03.01 | Xinhuan | what are you doing in your addon? |
| 08:03.02 | cladhaire | ZorbaBeta: so does his |
| 08:03.02 | nevcairiel | TSP with ant-colony optimization, evil cpu usage :p |
| 08:03.05 | cladhaire | stop assuming |
| 08:03.09 | ZorbaBeta | xin, Questhelper. TSP with optimization. |
| 08:03.28 | Xinhuan | i've looked briefly at the TSP in questhelper, its similar to mine in Routes |
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| 08:03.32 | ZorbaBeta | And, right now, a pile of debug consistency checking to find bugs the last developer left around :( |
| 08:03.41 | Xinhuan | the difference is, i'm doing TSP on as many as 500 nodes |
| 08:03.50 | Xinhuan | questhelper doesn't do it on maybe more than 25 quests |
| 08:04.04 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, right now I'm looking at cleaning up the code significantly and then adding a lot more capability to it |
| 08:04.18 | ZorbaBeta | which is part of why I want good profiling - I'm still learning the code and I want to know where its CPU is going |
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| 08:04.34 | Xinhuan | i didn't need profiling |
| 08:05.52 | cladhaire | and even if you did |
| 08:05.55 | nevcairiel | top of 25 notes, the route only updates when you accept new quests, how long can it take |
| 08:05.59 | cladhaire | you're making the problem more difficult than it needs to be |
| 08:06.04 | Xinhuan | on my PC, foreground TSP on 500 nodes took 1.5 min ;p and background TSp took about 5 minutes with constant yield()s |
| 08:06.09 | ZorbaBeta | nev, sadly, it's got some very nasty inefficiencies and bad design decisions in it |
| 08:06.24 | nevcairiel | ZorbaBeta: so focus on those :P |
| 08:06.25 | cladhaire | as nevcairiel says if you stand in one place and compute the path at the current moment.. then you have GOOD profiler information that can be used to hunt down the next bottleneck |
| 08:06.34 | Xinhuan | i've discovered that my TSP limitations is at 729 nodes |
| 08:06.41 | ZorbaBeta | that said, part of the design is also set up to recalculate as it goes, as the user walks around, which is very handy |
| 08:06.51 | Xinhuan | because 729^2 gives a table that is so big wow will give a Block Too Big error ;p |
| 08:06.52 | ZorbaBeta | xinhuan, what are you using for the algorithm, out of curiosity? |
| 08:06.54 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: wonder if any zone has more then 729 nodes if i combine mining herbing and fishing :D |
| 08:07.08 | nevcairiel | ooh and gas clouds! |
| 08:07.11 | cladhaire | Nagrand maybe |
| 08:07.25 | Xinhuan | i dunno if any such zones exist |
| 08:07.31 | Xinhuan | zangermarsh has about 530 nodes in total |
| 08:07.41 | Xinhuan | ZorbaBeta: i'm using ant colony |
| 08:08.00 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp5.jpg |
| 08:08.02 | Xinhuan | something like that |
| 08:08.10 | Xinhuan | with node clustering |
| 08:08.22 | Cidan | I wonder if Blizzard will ever compile a 64bit WoW |
| 08:08.26 | Cidan | hm |
| 08:08.26 | Xinhuan | that's SMV with about 640 nodes, clustered to 196 travel points within a 80 yard radius |
| 08:08.39 | nevcairiel | we were discussing ant-colony optimizations for traffic route planning the other day in our AI class, heh |
| 08:08.44 | Xinhuan | so its only doing TSP on 196 nodes |
| 08:08.56 | Xinhuan | the radius is adjustable of course |
| 08:08.57 | nevcairiel | you can do it without clustering, though |
| 08:09.07 | Xinhuan | yeah, then i added polygons |
| 08:09.32 | ZorbaBeta | nice, I'll have to check this out. I haven't played with actual TSP implementations yet, I've mostly been dealing with sane-ifying the underlying code |
| 08:09.45 | ZorbaBeta | rather looking forward to the optimization segments of this, I'm tired of bugsquashing :P |
| 08:09.58 | Xinhuan | ZorbaBeta: http://grum.nl/WoWScrnShot_020908_125251.jpg |
| 08:10.08 | Xinhuan | that's the kind of advanced TSP i'm doing ;p |
| 08:10.13 | nevcairiel | grum and his ugly taboo regions |
| 08:10.20 | Xinhuan | i have polygons to avoid crossing |
| 08:10.39 | Xinhuan | with ant colony optimization TSP, its quite easy to do it |
| 08:10.40 | ZorbaBeta | neat :) yeah, I'm actually toying with the idea of automatically detecting unpassable segments of the world |
| 08:10.47 | ZorbaBeta | so I can path people around mountains and the like |
| 08:10.54 | Xinhuan | that screenshot is a route with mining nodes |
| 08:11.00 | Xinhuan | with the island taboo-ed out |
| 08:11.03 | nevcairiel | TSP without flying mount requires alot of pre-build taboo data though =P |
| 08:11.08 | Xinhuan | and a E shaped taboo region |
| 08:11.09 | Cidan | ZorbaBeta: How do you plan on doing that? |
| 08:11.21 | Cidan | ZorbaBeta: Just curious. |
| 08:11.39 | nevcairiel | its perfectly possible, but requires a shitload of terrain data |
| 08:11.41 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, record where people walk, assume those areas can be walked through. dump them into photoshop overlayed on the world maps, scan them visually to make sure they're reasonable, call it good and call them official data. |
| 08:11.46 | Xinhuan | ant colony doesn't always give the shortest route - it just gives a good one ;p |
| 08:11.54 | ZorbaBeta | step 1 I'm hoping to start in a version of two, obviously I'll need a lot of data to really begin it. |
| 08:12.02 | Xinhuan | but anything less than 100 nodes should always give the ideal route |
| 08:12.34 | nevcairiel | ideal route for big problems like that takes too much time to compute =P |
| 08:12.35 | ZorbaBeta | xinhuan, I'm not entirely certain it will work since one of the ideas I have is going to make it less TSP-y and more . . . horrifying |
| 08:12.40 | Cidan | ZorbaBeta: That would be time consuming |
| 08:12.41 | ZorbaBeta | but I'll see what I can do |
| 08:12.49 | Xinhuan | hehe |
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| 08:13.03 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, the first part mostly just involves waiting for people to submit data. the second part is the only timeconsuming part, but I'm hoping I can algorithmically generate "reasonable things" |
| 08:13.13 | Xinhuan | i allow users to do TSP forground (will lock up the game) or background (wont lockup) |
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| 08:13.40 | Cidan | ZorbaBeta: Yeah, I suppose, but, man, it's almost not worth it. Your efforts are better spent doing other things. |
| 08:13.44 | ZorbaBeta | I'm just leaving mine at background - virtually nobody using QuestHelper really wants to sit there waiting |
| 08:13.53 | ZorbaBeta | cidan, it's fun. that's the only reason I'm doing it. |
| 08:13.58 | nevcairiel | I already hate QH for making stupid users, now you want them to not even pay attention while walking to their target anymore? jeez :P |
| 08:14.09 | Xinhuan | my "background TSP" clearly tells the user though, that his FPS will drop significantly |
| 08:14.39 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, gotta ask.. what is TSP? |
| 08:14.43 | ZorbaBeta | xinhuan, you could fix that, y'know |
| 08:14.47 | ZorbaBeta | neuro, traveling salesman |
| 08:14.56 | ZorbaBeta | given a set of points, find the shortest path that reaches each point |
| 08:15.00 | ZorbaBeta | (sometimes that makes a loop) |
| 08:15.01 | Xinhuan | background TSP can already take 5 minutes in my case |
| 08:15.06 | Xinhuan | if i don't let the FPS drop, it can take an hour |
| 08:15.14 | ZorbaBeta | it turns out to be a ridiculously hard problem to do efficiently |
| 08:15.38 | Xinhuan | we're talking about 500 nodes, or a table of distances that is 25000 |
| 08:16.08 | Xinhuan | or half that 12500 assuming symmetric distances |
| 08:16.52 | Xinhuan | in any case, i highly doubt profiling is of any real use |
| 08:18.07 | ZorbaBeta | I've said that on a lot of projects, personally |
| 08:18.19 | ZorbaBeta | invariably, when I sat down and profiled it, I found a lot of CPU being burned in an unexpected place |
| 08:18.27 | ZorbaBeta | I've sorta stopped saying that :P |
| 08:18.46 | Xinhuan | for the most part, CPU usage is irrelevant unless you have an OnUpdate |
| 08:19.06 | ZorbaBeta | well, if you could change that background TSP from 5 minutes into 15 seconds, would that be relevant? :P |
| 08:19.36 | Xinhuan | that would involve a algorithmic change, rather than optimizing for speed |
| 08:19.38 | ZorbaBeta | also, got the benchmark code done - I'm surprised, actually, WoW's bias is only seven times in this situation. which is pretty good. |
| 08:19.57 | Xinhuan | for eg, i used to have a table distance[a][b] |
| 08:20.06 | Xinhuan | i've changed to distance[a*N-b] |
| 08:20.15 | Xinhuan | and that alone increased algorithm speed by 30% |
| 08:20.26 | ZorbaBeta | http://pastey.net/97949 |
| 08:20.26 | Xinhuan | because table lookups are inherently slow |
| 08:21.09 | ZorbaBeta | kind of ironic, that would be a memory optimization and a speed de-optimization in C++ :P |
| 08:21.37 | Xinhuan | you need a debugprofilestart() call for every stop() |
| 08:21.50 | ZorbaBeta | no you don't, I tested it - it keeps returning new times relative to the first start() |
| 08:21.53 | Xinhuan | oh nvm, you deducted it |
| 08:22.37 | Xinhuan | yah |
| 08:22.53 | Xinhuan | anyhow, the distance[a*N-b] change meant that my maximum N is 729 |
| 08:23.03 | Xinhuan | otherwise it will overflow and generate "Block too big" error |
| 08:23.20 | Xinhuan | a table size can only be max 4 mb |
| 08:23.29 | Atriace | ha |
| 08:23.44 | ZorbaBeta | if you actually do have symmetric distances, you could save about half your RAM by storing it in a triangle pattern |
| 08:23.50 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not sure it's really worth the trouble, but you could |
| 08:23.51 | Atriace | Ever try to dump LibStub to savedvars while running bigwigs or bartender? |
| 08:24.03 | Xinhuan | yes, but that would only increase 729 by a small bit |
| 08:24.09 | Atriace | I got a partial file as large as 215MB earlier today, doing that. |
| 08:24.21 | Xinhuan | because N^2 increases way faster than 1/2N^2 |
| 08:24.26 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, you'd get like 1000 out of it or so |
| 08:24.37 | ZorbaBeta | helpful, but not amazing |
| 08:25.30 | ZorbaBeta | (also it increases precisely twice as fast :P) |
| 08:26.25 | Xinhuan | but it would slow down the TSP speed |
| 08:26.35 | Xinhuan | since i would have to swap the values of a and b half the time |
| 08:26.41 | Xinhuan | to ensure a < b |
| 08:26.53 | ZorbaBeta | it would, but I'm not sure how *much* it would. I mean, this is one of those places where a good profiler comes in handy |
| 08:27.04 | Xinhuan | by a lot, since i read the distance table a lot |
| 08:27.24 | Xinhuan | simply printing endtime - starttime is good enough |
| 08:27.30 | Xinhuan | i don't need advanced cpu profiling |
| 08:27.52 | Xinhuan | because my TSP is self contained into 1 function all inlined for speed |
| 08:28.17 | Xinhuan | because table lookups are so so so costly in lua |
| 08:28.31 | Xinhuan | i make the code quite unreadable in some places when i setup extra locals like |
| 08:28.33 | ZorbaBeta | I'm honestly not sure I agree with you - as I said, I've encountered some very odd unexpected issues when I actually got down to per-line sampling profiling |
| 08:28.47 | Xinhuan | local temp = a.b -- then do stuff with temp.c |
| 08:28.51 | Xinhuan | rather than using a.b.c |
| 08:30.51 | Atriace | Xinhuan: how costly? |
| 08:31.04 | Atriace | Are you talking football figures where a fraction of a second adds up when you're dealing with millions? |
| 08:31.23 | ZorbaBeta | xinhuan, you said it took a certain amount of time to generate the paths - how do you determine when it's "finished"? |
| 08:32.39 | Xinhuan | i run the algorithm over and over until i get no improvements for the last X iterations (X is 2 atm) |
| 08:32.46 | Xinhuan | think of Windows Defrag |
| 08:32.54 | Xinhuan | it runs passes until it thinks it has done enough |
| 08:33.10 | ZorbaBeta | *nods* righto |
| 08:33.29 | Xinhuan | Atriace: costly enough that a table lookup is worth a few thousand additions |
| 08:35.28 | ZorbaBeta | there's definitely some complexity that QH has that yours simply doesn't have to deal with (sigh :P) but, yeah, the TSP core of this could be a whole lot better |
| 08:36.40 | Xinhuan | yes, but i also have complexities that you don't have to deal with ;p |
| 08:37.01 | Xinhuan | i'm aware in QH, you have quest dependency chains where you need to visit X before youc an visit Y |
| 08:37.17 | Xinhuan | my complexities come from taboo regions/polygons |
| 08:37.22 | ZorbaBeta | and multi-locational stuff, where a dependency can be satisfied by any one of two or three or fifty locations |
| 08:37.35 | ZorbaBeta | see, I'm actually gonna be putting something like that in *also* :P |
| 08:37.46 | ZorbaBeta | is your plugin able to route around taboo regions, or does it always go from one node to another directly? |
| 08:38.11 | Xinhuan | it goes from one node to another directly in a straight line - i wrote Routes with the assumption it will mainly be used in Outlands with a flying mount |
| 08:38.19 | Xinhuan | for gathering herbs/ore/etc |
| 08:38.38 | Xinhuan | if a user creates a taboo region that it has no choice but to pass through a taboo region - my algorithm will do it |
| 08:38.56 | Xinhuan | it merely skews the distance so it deviates from passing through it |
| 08:39.07 | Xinhuan | so it doesn't break silly taboo regions that divide the map into 2 unpassable sections |
| 08:39.40 | Xinhuan | the taboo regions are actually just regular polygons that can have any number of nodes to define it |
| 08:39.43 | ZorbaBeta | ironically, mine currently deals extremely badly with flying mounts |
| 08:39.47 | ZorbaBeta | you'd think it would be the easy part |
| 08:40.00 | Xinhuan | so i also have code to detect if a coordinate is inside or outside a given polygon |
| 08:40.27 | Xinhuan | and then there's that shading algorithm to shade the polygon with diagonal lines! |
| 08:40.29 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 08:40.30 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that's not too hard stuff. I assume you're doing all your distance and pathing calculations before running the core of the optimizer |
| 08:40.35 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 08:41.13 | Xinhuan | ppl keep asking me to do cross-zone routes, which it doesn't support yet |
| 08:41.15 | ZorbaBeta | one of the things I want to rig up in QH is a graphical view of where monsters can be found, with a similar look to what you've got there |
| 08:41.27 | Xinhuan | like it would be handy for stuff like red packets ~_~ |
| 08:41.39 | Xinhuan | tried AoC? |
| 08:41.49 | Xinhuan | they paint your map with a circular shaded region |
| 08:41.52 | ZorbaBeta | I haven't, but I tried WAR and it seems to do something similar |
| 08:41.54 | Xinhuan | of where the quest mobs can be found |
| 08:41.59 | ZorbaBeta | you get little shaded segments, yeah |
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| 08:42.35 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not sure if I can make it look really good with the Warcraft map API, sadly :P I haven't been able to find much info on it - where would I go to find out what functions are available with it? |
| 08:43.06 | Xinhuan | wowwikiand wowprogramming ;p |
| 08:43.45 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that's what I've been doing |
| 08:43.53 | ZorbaBeta | together, they run the gamut between incomplete and inaccurate :P |
| 08:44.02 | ZorbaBeta | oh well, I'll rustle it up gradually |
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| 09:35.40 | clad|away | ZorbaBeta: there is very little of the API on wowprogramming.com that is either incomplete or inaccurate.. in particular if we're talking about the functional API and not the widget API |
| 09:36.07 | cladhaire | and where we have holes, wowwiki has tons of information |
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| 09:36.10 | ZorbaBeta | clad, I actually ran straight into a misdocumented function today :P lemme dig it out again |
| 09:36.20 | ZorbaBeta | annoyingly, one that wowwiki didn't have a page for |
| 09:36.25 | cladhaire | yes, I would appreciate that |
| 09:36.45 | cladhaire | wowwiki is missing a lot, that's one of the main reasons wowprogramming exists |
| 09:36.47 | ZorbaBeta | there it is, GetNumRoutes |
| 09:37.11 | cladhaire | okay, and what is the problem with it? |
| 09:37.13 | ZorbaBeta | it's listed on a wowwiki page about API changes, now that I'm searching again - NEW - numHops = GetNumRoutes(index) - Returns the number of hops from current location to the specified taxi node. |
| 09:37.18 | ZorbaBeta | though it doesn't have its own page |
| 09:37.36 | ZorbaBeta | the wowprogramming page claims it's the number of routes leaving from a given taxi node, which it isn't |
| 09:38.06 | cladhaire | then I'll edit the page.. its a wiki so you could edit either as well :P |
| 09:38.13 | ZorbaBeta | I didn't see an edit link |
| 09:38.24 | cladhaire | you have to be logged in, but it is there |
| 09:38.40 | cladhaire | I should add the edit link when you're not logged in, redirecting you to a login page |
| 09:38.42 | ZorbaBeta | ah, wasn't logged in (and don't have an account). I'll remember that for next time though. |
| 09:38.44 | cladhaire | but that would take precious time =/ |
| 09:39.06 | cladhaire | you verified the upcoming changes list was correct? |
| 09:39.11 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 09:39.29 | ZorbaBeta | it's "upcoming changes for patch 1.10" :) |
| 09:39.36 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 09:39.40 | cladhaire | i know that |
| 09:39.47 | ZorbaBeta | the behavior is what's listed on that page, yeah |
| 09:39.49 | cladhaire | okay |
| 09:40.54 | cladhaire | all fixed :P |
| 09:41.01 | cladhaire | thanks for the heads up |
| 09:41.04 | cladhaire | you can always just shoot me a quick email as well |
| 09:41.13 | cladhaire | just saying something is wrong even, I'll try to figure out what is "right" |
| 09:41.35 | ZorbaBeta | no prob, I didn't see any convenient contact info on the site or I would have |
| 09:41.43 | Fisker- | hey cladhaire |
| 09:41.46 | Fisker- | your site is wrong |
| 09:41.49 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 09:41.49 | ZorbaBeta | but now that I know who to contact, I shall if I run into future problems :) |
| 09:42.49 | wereHamster | Will WoW get a built-in route planer? |
| 09:43.03 | cladhaire | wereHamster: I doubt it, why do you ask? |
| 09:43.10 | wereHamster | NEW - numHops = GetNumRoutes(index) |
| 09:43.28 | wereHamster | ah, it's for the taxi nodes |
| 09:43.37 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that's just for the little flightmaster minimap |
| 09:44.28 | wereHamster | my brother didn't renew his subscription to I don't have access to any WoW account anymore :( |
| 09:45.20 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6104970506&sid=1&pageNo=3#58 <-lol |
| 09:45.25 | Fisker- | " I would recommend that you talk to your network provider as it looks very much like your latency starts between the 4th and 5th hop as there is a large rise in latency. " |
| 09:45.26 | Fisker- | No shit |
| 09:45.44 | Fisker- | From Cairo->New York->Denmark->France/Germany |
| 09:45.55 | Fisker- | That's pretty much one heck of an alternate route |
| 09:45.56 | Fisker- | >:D |
| 09:46.28 | zenzio | they just don't trust the middle-eastern carriers after this summer perhaps ;-p |
| 09:46.29 | ZorbaBeta | new york has a giant packet accelerator installed that boosts internet packets to three times the speed of light |
| 09:46.33 | ZorbaBeta | it must be down right now though :( |
| 09:50.55 | ZorbaBeta | hey hey hey let's modify the same incredibly-complex structure in a coroutine and a user-facing function simultaneously |
| 09:50.58 | ZorbaBeta | this couldn't possibly go wrong |
| 09:51.04 | ZorbaBeta | man I can't wait to rewrite parts of this :P |
| 09:53.37 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 09:56.28 | ZorbaBeta | the best thing about bugs like this is that they're near-impossible to reproduce. let's hope that fixes it for now! :( |
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| 10:24.40 | Fisker- | cladhaire |
| 10:24.48 | Fisker- | you've tried to get the new preload data |
| 10:25.02 | cladhaire | and succeeded |
| 10:25.13 | Fisker- | ah |
| 10:25.15 | Fisker- | you're mac right? |
| 10:25.18 | cladhaire | perhaps not tho |
| 10:25.21 | cladhaire | says there is new data now |
| 10:25.23 | cladhaire | ><> |
| 10:25.27 | Fisker- | PC or Mac? |
| 10:25.31 | cladhaire | mac |
| 10:25.37 | Fisker- | should work fine then |
| 10:25.45 | Fisker- | PC data is bad |
| 10:25.49 | cladhaire | well its 1.57 gigs now |
| 10:25.52 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6178688949&sid=1#19 |
| 10:25.57 | cladhaire | called "Stage 3" |
| 10:26.02 | cladhaire | so i'll have more to download |
| 10:26.06 | Fisker- | "OH ignore the fact that it's not actually progressing but just downloading, it's all fine!" |
| 10:26.11 | Fisker- | O hai, it's called bad data |
| 10:26.18 | Fisker- | l2technicalknowledge |
| 10:26.49 | zenzio | is this the second part of the preload, the 500-something MB part? |
| 10:28.40 | Fisker- | No |
| 10:28.42 | Fisker- | The third |
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| 11:02.22 | Maldivia | soo... BlizzCon starts today... |
| 11:07.42 | cbreak | yay... that means they have no time to nerf mages further |
| 11:07.47 | cbreak | I hope |
| 11:08.22 | Maldivia | haven't history told you anything? There's always time to nerf mages... |
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| 15:16.39 | kneeki | Hmm, when using textures in WoW, is there any benifit to using .blp images vs .png? |
| 15:17.04 | Gnarfoz | yes, wow doesn't read png files? :> |
| 15:17.04 | kneeki | A 512x512 .blp is always 346 or so kb and .png's have the potential to be much smaller... |
| 15:17.16 | kneeki | erm? |
| 15:17.20 | Gnarfoz | tga and blp |
| 15:17.20 | zenzelezz | TGA or BLP |
| 15:17.23 | kneeki | I could have sworn it did |
| 15:17.32 | kneeki | However, that would explain my issues =p |
| 15:18.33 | ShaneSveller | is tga more size-efficient or blp? |
| 15:18.58 | kneeki | no |
| 15:18.59 | kneeki | blp is |
| 15:19.39 | kneeki | blp is just a pain though, because I have to flip my TGA's upside down before I can run them through PNG to BLP =\ |
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| 15:53.27 | p3lim | is there any events that I can use to update something when my pet (hunter) is summoned/picked out of stables? |
| 15:54.08 | Mikk | probably. install & use iriel's devtools |
| 15:54.10 | Mikk | ~devtools |
| 15:54.10 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 15:54.19 | Mikk | then you can see exactly what events fire |
| 15:54.29 | Mikk | OR you could look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Events |
| 15:54.51 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Pet even |
| 16:11.16 | zenzelezz | I don't care that I understand why; there's still something funny about seeing a 41/20/0 hunter called "Survivalhunt" |
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| 16:43.14 | ScytheBlade1 | So Shirik |
| 16:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | How is it? |
| 16:43.46 | Shirik | the con? Haven't really done much yet :) Opening ceremonies aren't for another 1:15 |
| 16:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 16:44.12 | nevcairiel | Shirik: go yell at some people for limiting the live stream to some crappy US-only sat provider |
| 16:44.19 | nevcairiel | i wouldve payed for an internet stream |
| 16:44.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Really curious what they'll have there for the opening ceremonies |
| 16:44.19 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 16:44.21 | nevcairiel | but nooo |
| 16:44.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And I agree |
| 16:44.27 | Shirik | is that DirectTV? |
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| 16:44.30 | ScytheBlade1 | bullcrap @ me being unable to stream it |
| 16:44.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 16:44.32 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 16:45.02 | Shirik | it's ok there will be plenty of pictures |
| 16:45.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 16:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really hard to show me a slideshow of the Starcraft tourney |
| 16:45.16 | nevcairiel | i want video with audio and live |
| 16:45.25 | ScytheBlade1 | And have me be equally entertained |
| 16:45.32 | nevcairiel | not from the tourneys |
| 16:45.33 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:45.36 | nevcairiel | but wow panels |
| 16:45.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The wow panels will be recoerded and played over youtube from now until the end of time |
| 16:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Your wow panels can die, give me my starcraft :P |
| 16:46.08 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:46.22 | Shirik | Me, I want to see my professor |
| 16:46.24 | Shirik | I KNOW he's here |
| 16:46.36 | Shirik | you don't just randomly buy a house and immediately decide to leave for vacation in California |
| 16:46.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:46.44 | Shirik | the day after you close it |
| 16:46.56 | Shirik | And I know his Wife is into WoW so I know he's got to be here |
| 16:47.17 | Shirik | so brb just realized I need to get my camera out of car |
| 16:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 16:50.52 | Shirik | also |
| 16:50.55 | Shirik | I locked Tem out last night |
| 16:51.00 | Shirik | so it will be interesting to find out where he went |
| 16:51.20 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: lol |
| 16:51.24 | Shirik | I accidentally fell asleep and didn't give him a key :( |
| 16:51.41 | Shirik | And apparently my incredibly loud phone isn't loud enough |
| 16:51.41 | Shirik | that's what happens after no sleep in 48 hours apparently |
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| 16:54.29 | Dashkal | So... anybody at blizzcon updating a live blog, twitter, stream-over-cups-with-string or some such? |
| 16:54.51 | nevcairiel | some live blog of the upcoming ui panel would be nice |
| 16:55.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Or even live IRC transcript! |
| 16:55.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey! |
| 16:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I like that idea! |
| 16:55.27 | nevcairiel | Shirik do it! |
| 16:55.32 | Shirik | sadly I could probably type that fast |
| 16:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | DO IT |
| 16:55.36 | Dashkal | That would be very very cool |
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| 16:55.54 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 16:55.55 | purl | ~pong |
| 16:56.06 | Shirik | how am I supposed to get on IRC there though? |
| 16:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | wifi + laptop? |
| 16:56.25 | Shirik | wifi? |
| 16:56.28 | nevcairiel | others managed to get live radio streams or live bloging |
| 16:56.38 | nevcairiel | 3G ? |
| 16:56.39 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 16:57.03 | Shirik | I have a 3G card but it's not exactly fantastic, especially in a room like that |
| 16:57.09 | Shirik | it's what I'm on right now, actually |
| 16:57.15 | nevcairiel | you only need to irc |
| 16:57.31 | nevcairiel | but alot of people probably try that |
| 16:57.37 | nevcairiel | and 3G is shared medium afterall |
| 16:58.14 | Atriace | is there a common shortname for a debugger? |
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| 16:58.35 | Josh_Borke | dbg? |
| 16:58.40 | Josh_Borke | is that what you mean? |
| 16:58.47 | Atriace | Yeah. Works for me. |
| 17:00.30 | batrick | hows blizzcon shirik |
| 17:00.37 | Shirik | why do people keep asking this |
| 17:00.40 | Shirik | go look at the schedule |
| 17:00.59 | batrick | y would i do that |
| 17:01.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey Shirik |
| 17:01.08 | ScytheBlade1 | How's Blizzcon? |
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| 17:01.12 | batrick | rofl |
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| 17:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Too easy |
| 17:01.36 | batrick | who shit in ur cereal today shirik |
| 17:01.42 | Shirik | <3 |
| 17:03.16 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: how's blizzcon so far? |
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| 17:03.28 | Josh_Borke | did you get a blow-up frostmourne? |
| 17:04.09 | Shirik | is that what that thing is? |
| 17:04.13 | Fisker- | o hai Shirik |
| 17:04.14 | p3lim | lol |
| 17:04.22 | Shirik | I haven't bothered to take everything out yet :) |
| 17:04.24 | Fisker- | btw |
| 17:04.27 | p3lim | also, the dwarf-in-a-bubble? :p |
| 17:04.28 | Fisker- | hows blizzcon shirik? |
| 17:04.40 | Fisker- | ~epic fail p3lim |
| 17:04.41 | purl | p3lim, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you p3lim, you are that epic failure. |
| 17:04.49 | p3lim | huh? |
| 17:04.53 | batrick | shirik is a meany fase |
| 17:04.57 | Fisker- | paladin in a bubble |
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| 17:05.06 | p3lim | well, its both |
| 17:05.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Sbo-Bot: soon |
| 17:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 17:05.16 | Sbo-Bot | Found build 9061 |
| 17:05.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:05.20 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops |
| 17:05.22 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 17:05.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Old build number |
| 17:05.27 | batrick | HURRY SHIRIK OPENING CEREMONY IS 1 HOUR |
| 17:05.30 | Sbo-Bot | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Sbo-Bot: die |
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| 17:05.45 | Fisker- | nah p3lim |
| 17:05.53 | p3lim | Fisker-: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/october/blizzcon/blizzcon_024.jpg |
| 17:05.54 | Fisker- | It just happens to be a dwarf |
| 17:06.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Sbo-Bot: die |
| 17:06.11 | Fisker- | You should name it by "Paladin-in-a-bubble" or you failed to see teh funnehs! |
| 17:06.13 | Neuro_Medivh | I like the QQ NOOB tissues |
| 17:06.21 | ArrowmasterClass | wtb my polar bear and not have to wait 6-8 weeks |
| 17:06.24 | p3lim | bubbleboy |
| 17:06.33 | Fisker- | 6-8 weeks? |
| 17:06.50 | ArrowmasterClass | thats how long you have to wait with the directv offer |
| 17:07.02 | Fisker- | awsum |
| 17:07.17 | p3lim | haste: is the event UNIT_PET already used in oUF? |
| 17:07.33 | Fisker- | Blizzcon bear, the only bear to surpass the ZA bear in being common |
| 17:07.41 | haste | p3lim: don't think so |
| 17:08.23 | p3lim | good, then I dont have to hook it :) |
| 17:08.24 | Fisker- | hello haste |
| 17:08.26 | Fisker- | my mortal enemy |
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| 17:08.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, I have remote control |
| 17:08.43 | haste | p3lim: you should _never_ make such assumptions |
| 17:09.46 | p3lim | yes sir |
| 17:09.49 | kneeki | Are textures the size of 1024x512 not allowed? |
| 17:10.01 | ScytheBlade1 | They max out at 512x512 |
| 17:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | So no |
| 17:10.08 | kneeki | ah, ok |
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| 17:10.21 | p3lim | another question: oUF's event handler, 3rd argument (unit), is that oUF.unit or the event argument itself? |
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| 17:10.34 | haste | event itself |
| 17:10.38 | p3lim | ok, thanks |
| 17:10.41 | Sbo-Bot | Found build 9061 |
| 17:10.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 17:10.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I FIXED THAT |
| 17:10.58 | haste | working as intended! |
| 17:11.02 | p3lim | i guess using self.unit in event handlers would be right, right? |
| 17:11.05 | Kraps | when i dps, do i want a fast or slow mh? |
| 17:11.08 | ScytheBlade1 | heh but I didn't save it |
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| 17:11.48 | jaxdahl2 | blizzcon halls are open now, right? |
| 17:12.03 | Fisker- | hows blizzcon???????????++++++++ |
| 17:12.08 | Dashkal | mac fail: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FBBFb2akkhg/SO9yzqWLHoI/AAAAAAAAADs/L9iD7--JQgc/s1600-h/failure.JPG |
| 17:12.10 | Dashkal | wow... |
| 17:12.16 | Shirik | yes they are |
| 17:12.33 | Shirik | brb |
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| 17:13.20 | p3lim | haste: next version push is on monday? |
| 17:13.36 | haste | undefined |
| 17:14.21 | p3lim | ok |
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| 17:14.31 | Fisker- | hows blizzcon? |
| 17:14.33 | Fisker- | >:34 |
| 17:14.34 | Fisker- | >: |
| 17:14.34 | Fisker- | 3 |
| 17:14.35 | Fisker- | ;8 |
| 17:14.37 | Fisker- | ;( |
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| 17:14.55 | Fisker- | I should make an onjoin for shirik |
| 17:14.59 | Fisker- | i'm sure he would appreciate it |
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| 17:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 17:15.53 | NeoTron | so I think the inflatable frostmourne is kind of dorky :P |
| 17:15.54 | Shane|Work | Dashkal: http://www.worldofwar.net/articles/417691/blizzcon-2008-live-blog and http://www.blizzplanet.com/ are both live blogging the con |
| 17:16.19 | Dashkal | Shane|Work: Woot! |
| 17:16.26 | Fisker- | the first link is icky though |
| 17:16.29 | Fisker- | Use the second one |
| 17:16.45 | Shane|Work | Dashkal: wowradio will also be doing an audio stream |
| 17:16.47 | Fisker- | incgamers probably got their chinese hackers fired up to take over their servers again and again |
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| 17:16.56 | Neuro_Medivh | well, yeah.. it's worldofwar.net, likely do get a trojan |
| 17:17.03 | Neuro_Medivh | s/do/to/ |
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| 17:17.09 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh |
| 17:17.13 | Neuro_Medivh | fail, purl |
| 17:17.13 | Dashkal | audio will be hard given I have to actually attempt to work, but something to wear out my f5 key is definitely welcome |
| 17:18.14 | Neuro_Medivh | so where is TC posting the pics? |
| 17:18.20 | Dashkal | hrm, I think that might be the same liveblog on both |
| 17:18.33 | Shane|Work | Dashkal: one or both of them use an AJAX widget that auto-refreshes, Major Nelson used it for the TGS show earlier this week |
| 17:19.50 | Fisker- | not the same Dashkal |
| 17:20.17 | Dashkal | Fisker-: software, title, and start time are identical. Just makes me curious. I'll find out at 11 |
| 17:20.28 | Fisker- | Why wait for news at 11? |
| 17:20.32 | Fisker- | Just look at the source code |
| 17:20.39 | Fisker- | Different ids |
| 17:20.42 | Dashkal | ahh |
| 17:21.07 | Dashkal | It really wasn't worth that to me to know now... It's not like I can't afford an extra browser tab for 40 mins |
| 17:21.09 | Fisker- | Also MedievalDragon is a better journalist than IncGamers |
| 17:21.11 | Fisker- | hoho |
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| 17:21.16 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10971929661-if-blizz-had-to-answer-1-of-your-quesitons.html surprising number of answers to little questions |
| 17:21.18 | NeoTron | Tigole is on a roll |
| 17:21.31 | Dashkal | He may have made himself late with those ones :p |
| 17:23.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh many, he's played the SC2 campaign |
| 17:23.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Sudden huge amounts of envy |
| 17:24.15 | Dashkal | I think I might be more interested in the SC panels than the wow ones... |
| 17:24.17 | nevcairiel | you can play d3 at con |
| 17:24.20 | nevcairiel | i envy them :( |
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| 17:24.54 | Fisker- | Though |
| 17:25.01 | Fisker- | It could actually be that blizzplanet = incgamers now |
| 17:25.01 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 17:25.11 | Fisker- | that would be /wrists |
| 17:25.12 | Kalroth | I played D3 last night, it's still a little buggy though |
| 17:25.19 | nevcairiel | the box looks the same Fisker- |
| 17:25.56 | Fisker- | Still different ID's though |
| 17:25.56 | Fisker- | Thinking more about this: |
| 17:25.56 | Fisker- | All the IncGamers staff, including myself, will be live blogging. |
| 17:26.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Fisker, don't you mean live LOGGIN' MAH KEYS? |
| 17:26.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:27.07 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 17:27.08 | Neuro_Medivh | Why do you think they gave out authenticators in da goodie bags? |
| 17:27.09 | Fisker- | of course |
| 17:27.14 | Lunessa | "What the next expansion will be." "Awesome." |
| 17:27.42 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm guessing Emerald Dream, that way they can just use Phasing tech to do the whole expac |
| 17:27.44 | Shane|Work | yup, same liveblog at both sites |
| 17:27.51 | Shane|Work | me sighs |
| 17:27.54 | Fisker- | I'm looking forward to the "contest" questions btw |
| 17:28.01 | Fisker- | "ZOMG WATS NEXT EXPANSION????+" |
| 17:28.20 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: that would be a stretch even for phasing tech. The emerald dream version of azeroth is still one continent. |
| 17:28.22 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: its definately the same blog, that same incgamers guy :P |
| 17:28.27 | Fisker- | oh god |
| 17:28.31 | Fisker- | then it's true >:E |
| 17:28.49 | Fisker- | that just sucks |
| 17:28.59 | Fisker- | That leaves us with ~1 decent media left |
| 17:29.01 | Fisker- | Curse??? |
| 17:29.02 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 17:29.15 | Neuro_Medivh | who owns wowinsiders? |
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| 17:29.27 | ArrowmasterClass | mmo-champion? |
| 17:29.31 | Neuro_Medivh | or do they just copy whatever mmo-champion does? |
| 17:29.32 | ArrowmasterClass | what about bibi? |
| 17:29.42 | Fisker- | wowinsider is satire |
| 17:29.48 | ArrowmasterClass | nah worldofraids just copies mmo-champion |
| 17:29.56 | ArrowmasterClass | although worldofraids is part of curse now |
| 17:30.06 | Lunessa | There's a quest in Icecrown which takes you into the Emerald Nightmare... awesome. |
| 17:30.17 | Fisker- | everyone copies mmo-champion |
| 17:30.22 | Dashkal | Lunessa: that quest was total win |
| 17:30.25 | Fisker- | Bibi's just not going to blizzcon etc. |
| 17:30.26 | nevcairiel | i skipped out on icecrown quests |
| 17:30.28 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: kneeki: Afaik the texture sizes were changed in one of the latest buids |
| 17:30.31 | nevcairiel | saved something for liev etc |
| 17:30.31 | Fisker- | so all he posts will be old etc. |
| 17:30.39 | ArrowmasterClass | oh yeah isnt bibi french? |
| 17:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: oh? to? |
| 17:30.45 | kneeki | cladhaire: To a maximum of 512? Or higher? |
| 17:30.50 | Lunessa | I still need to finsih that line. I got interrupted by failing to finish heroic occulus. |
| 17:30.53 | ScytheBlade1 | 512 is current |
| 17:31.00 | cladhaire | 1024 on beta |
| 17:31.02 | cladhaire | afaik |
| 17:31.06 | cladhaire | someone reported that a while ago |
| 17:31.17 | nevcairiel | the loading screens look hell of a lot better |
| 17:31.23 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 17:31.24 | cladhaire | they got upped |
| 17:31.26 | cladhaire | is how someone found it out |
| 17:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | awesome, about time |
| 17:31.30 | kneeki | neat stuff =) |
| 17:31.37 | cladhaire | someone test :P |
| 17:31.38 | cladhaire | but yeah |
| 17:31.41 | cladhaire | try the loading screens |
| 17:31.55 | nevcairiel | wonder why they didnt split the loading screens into 4 or so to make it look awesome |
| 17:32.11 | Shane|Work | the loading screens are awesome |
| 17:32.18 | cladhaire | Fisker-: huzzah |
| 17:32.27 | Shane|Work | I love the monocled UD |
| 17:32.38 | nevcairiel | Shane|Work: not before wotlk, they are all low quality pixely |
| 17:32.48 | Shane|Work | the new* loading screens are awesome |
| 17:32.59 | Shane|Work | trust me, i know, i run 1680x1050, it really shows its age |
| 17:33.14 | nevcairiel | same res here |
| 17:33.52 | ScytheBlade1 | yup, same |
| 17:33.54 | Neuro_Medivh | I noticed the new artwork has that bloodelf with some very skintight clothing |
| 17:33.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I noticed the improved awesome |
| 17:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: orly |
| 17:34.05 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: yarly |
| 17:34.11 | cladhaire | someone found that the other night :P |
| 17:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: friendly or otherwise? |
| 17:34.18 | cladhaire | enemy |
| 17:34.19 | Shane|Work | Neuro_Medivh: thx for reminding me, i'll be in my bunk |
| 17:34.20 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: that blood elf needs to cast more fire spells... |
| 17:34.21 | ScytheBlade1 | hot |
| 17:34.21 | Syzgyn | Ooo |
| 17:34.23 | cladhaire | friendly are party1 |
| 17:34.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah that's what I thought |
| 17:34.32 | ScytheBlade1 | And arena1pet? |
| 17:34.48 | End | :o |
| 17:34.50 | cladhaire | :P |
| 17:35.08 | nevcairiel | wut? |
| 17:35.12 | nevcairiel | enemys really have unit ids? |
| 17:35.18 | cladhaire | lulz sekrets |
| 17:35.54 | nevcairiel | amazing |
| 17:35.55 | cladhaire | i tested on my premade and was able to spawn a oUF frame with my enemies and their pets |
| 17:35.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll make people happy |
| 17:36.02 | NeoTron | weird |
| 17:36.04 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: before you could see them? |
| 17:36.06 | cladhaire | it just levels the playing field a bit more |
| 17:36.08 | NeoTron | just for arenas or bgs too? |
| 17:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:36.18 | ScytheBlade1 | enemy40 go! |
| 17:36.22 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:36.22 | NeoTron | ftw |
| 17:36.23 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: It depends on whether or not they are visible.. similar rules to target |
| 17:36.25 | cladhaire | it seemed |
| 17:36.32 | cladhaire | I didn't get much time to play with it |
| 17:36.35 | cladhaire | someone else tipped me off to it :P |
| 17:36.36 | nevcairiel | so jsut hidden behind some pillar isnt enough |
| 17:36.37 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 17:36.39 | cladhaire | and iw as excited |
| 17:36.48 | nevcairiel | nice indeed |
| 17:36.52 | nevcairiel | only in 3.0 or live too? |
| 17:37.00 | cladhaire | 3.x |
| 17:37.07 | nevcairiel | funny |
| 17:37.16 | End | that'd be funny if it was live |
| 17:37.17 | Dashkal | Arena targets being visible is total win... I really can't wait to set up an arena UI now. I think much of the problems I had in there came down to brain-bandwidth issues. Identifiying targets and whatnot. |
| 17:37.22 | NeoTron | I might try to do some more pvp in 3.0.. on my DK |
| 17:37.24 | NeoTron | mayb |
| 17:37.32 | NeoTron | but I'm pretty bad at pvping :P |
| 17:37.43 | cladhaire | Dashkal: that's something I've been working on |
| 17:37.45 | cladhaire | started on live |
| 17:37.52 | cladhaire | now going to add my enemy units |
| 17:37.53 | NeoTron | I just thought of a cool idea |
| 17:37.54 | cladhaire | should be fun |
| 17:38.03 | cladhaire | okay, off now |
| 17:38.06 | NeoTron | basically have different WTF/Interface directories for raiding / pve and arena play |
| 17:38.11 | Dashkal | clad|away: sweet |
| 17:38.12 | nevcairiel | enemy-target will be nice too |
| 17:38.13 | NeoTron | instead of trying to fit it all into the same |
| 17:38.20 | nevcairiel | man i need that |
| 17:38.20 | End | I think I do okay if I have someone decent, but I'm completely unmotiviated :P |
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| 17:38.35 | Dashkal | NeoTron: You can approximate much of that with a profile switcher and profile-friendly addons |
| 17:38.52 | Shane|Work | NEoTron: i keep wtf and interface in git and branch them for that sort of system |
| 17:39.00 | nevcairiel | lol nice |
| 17:39.00 | NeoTron | "profile switcher"? an addon that switches the profiles of all addons supporting profiles? |
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| 17:39.24 | nevcairiel | too bad i use Git in some addons already, so cant place my whole interface into there |
| 17:39.33 | NeoTron | although my main issue on my warlock is that I want quite different action bars for pvp vs pve |
| 17:39.34 | Shane|Work | nevcairiel: that does tend to complicate things |
| 17:39.52 | Shane|Work | nevcairiel: I run into it myself too, I've tried submodules which suck |
| 17:40.19 | nevcairiel | Shane|Work: i would probably be happy enough with WTF in Git, but then again, i dont change that much stuff around |
| 17:40.23 | Shane|Work | NeoTron: use something like simple action sets or another addon that places your buttons, or use something like oBindings and have different keybind sets for them, or both |
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| 17:40.29 | nevcairiel | I just need some addon that does profiles for my keybindings |
| 17:40.29 | nevcairiel | hmm |
| 17:40.42 | Lunessa | NeoTron: There are at least two addons out there for saving action bar configs for exactly that reason. |
| 17:40.56 | Shane|Work | nevcairiel: I use oBindings, still adjusting to the heavily-key-bound transition |
| 17:41.04 | Lunessa | SimpleActionSets and ActionBarSaver |
| 17:41.14 | Shane|Work | Keyprofiler also but it didn't work when i tried it |
| 17:41.25 | Shane|Work | er, that was for keybinds not button placement |
| 17:41.37 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: could just use two different bars and switch them accordingly, BT4 allows you to remap any bar to any other bar, even without shapeshifting =P |
| 17:41.56 | Lunessa | And there's one Seerah reviewed that reminds you of your current bindings, but the name escapes me. |
| 17:42.51 | Shane|Work | Lunessa: does it work with Override bindings? |
| 17:43.15 | Lunessa | Shane|Work: since I don't use any of them, HTF should I know? :p |
| 17:43.27 | Shane|Work | Lunessa: I'll look into it, thx |
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| 17:44.11 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/016491.html |
| 17:44.27 | Lunessa | I'm a big fan of my UI remaining consistent I use one stock layout for all characters. I tend to group keybindings and spells by type of function and then just learn a single pattern. |
| 17:44.48 | NeoTron | I have overall the same UI for all my characters |
| 17:44.53 | NeoTron | enough work to set up one of them |
| 17:45.21 | Shane|Work | Lunessa: same |
| 17:46.03 | Lunessa | The other night, I played on Live for the first time in a while. I had to totally relearn my custom layout after having played with a stock UI for months in beta. |
| 17:46.27 | Shane|Work | Lunessa: found it http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8691-BindingsReminder.html |
| 17:46.38 | Lunessa | That's the one. :) |
| 17:47.38 | Shane|Work | I'll have to try it, I believe Haste's oBindings uses Override bindings, not sure if those will work with it or not |
| 17:48.08 | haste | what now? |
| 17:48.42 | Lunessa | We're talking about upping your value as a rating in WotLK. :P |
| 17:49.20 | Shane|Work | haste: did you use SetOverrideBinding* in oBindings or the regular stuff? I forget. |
| 17:49.44 | haste | regular |
| 17:50.12 | Shane|Work | got it, that means that BindingsReminder will work |
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| 17:50.28 | Castigo | m000000 |
| 17:50.58 | NeoTron | Lunessa: I didn't play with stock ui in beta because that'd drive me insane :P |
| 17:51.18 | p3lim | WoWI Staff: The forum/comments post ranks, are they random or something? I feel like seeing a new rank on myself every day :p |
| 17:51.20 | Shane|Work | NeoTron: same, but i had planned to start from scratch anyhow so that's what i did |
| 17:51.42 | NeoTron | I plan to do that once 3.0 is out |
| 17:51.50 | NeoTron | beta is far from a "complete" UI from my PoV |
| 17:51.51 | Castigo | neo, nev, shirik lune /bow |
| 17:51.54 | Shane|Work | that's why i've been doing so on beta, when patch goes live i'll be g2g |
| 17:51.55 | Syzgyn | Cladhaire: It looks like UnitClass("arena1") works regardless of visibility |
| 17:52.09 | ArrowmasterClass | arena1? |
| 17:52.14 | Shane|Work | replace one Addons folder with another, boom. |
| 17:52.19 | Castigo | syz /lick |
| 17:52.28 | NeoTron | ArrowmasterClass: for targeting enemies in arenas |
| 17:52.30 | Dewin | Heh... my beta UI is almost 100% complete. I just need updates to a few still-broken addons |
| 17:52.36 | ArrowmasterClass | wtf |
| 17:52.40 | Dewin | ... like DeadlyBossMods >.> |
| 17:52.40 | Syzgyn | I made a macro to get Name, class and health as soon as the arena starts |
| 17:52.42 | NeoTron | party1 for enemy players ftw |
| 17:52.50 | Syzgyn | name and class work always, health is 0 if stealthed |
| 17:53.00 | Castigo | dewin sou didn't have the good idea to say "why for wotlk don't i develop my own ui?" |
| 17:53.06 | Lunessa | NeoTron: I started in Alpha where addons were disabled... and now I'm using the time assess what changes I /really/ want for launch. |
| 17:53.22 | NeoTron | Lunessa: I have to assess what I really want for Lunch every day! |
| 17:53.25 | NeoTron | err wait. :P |
| 17:53.26 | End | dewin doesn't want to write his own set of boss mods :P |
| 17:53.42 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: heh, i read the same thing. >.> |
| 17:53.44 | Dewin | Castigo: Progression started as me not being able to find a good XP bar addon that worked in wotlk |
| 17:54.01 | Syzgyn | Is there an event that triggers when an arena actually statys? |
| 17:54.03 | Syzgyn | starts* |
| 17:54.03 | Castigo | dewin the one in dominos works like charm |
| 17:54.09 | Lunessa | Guys, I know my typing sucks... but damn. |
| 17:54.12 | Dewin | and I'm a) a newbie at addon programming who b) doesn't have enough time for the programming I get paid for as is;) |
| 17:54.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: nah i think i'm just hungry. :) |
| 17:54.29 | Castigo | nev is gonna whip me ass if i say so, but i belive i will switch to dominos instead of bartender4 in wotlk |
| 17:54.38 | Cide- | so the worldofwar "live blog" is total super fail |
| 17:54.46 | p3lim | xpbar API gets changed in 3.0? |
| 17:54.50 | Dewin | Castigo: I don't really want to install Dominos *just* for the XP bar ;) |
| 17:55.11 | Castigo | p3lim nope |
| 17:55.22 | p3lim | why were they broken then? |
| 17:55.27 | Dewin | I'm quite fine with Macaroon. |
| 17:55.37 | Castigo | probably he was using a castbar/xp bar addon or |
| 17:55.43 | Castigo | a actionbar/xpbar addon |
| 17:55.44 | Dewin | p3lim: I haven't found a good standalone XP bar addon, period, wotlk or not |
| 17:55.53 | p3lim | oh ok |
| 17:56.01 | Dewin | in live I use infinibar and just one part of bongos for XP |
| 17:56.03 | p3lim | used to use a custom made one before |
| 17:56.13 | p3lim | was on about 30 lines or so :) |
| 17:56.21 | p3lim | let me see if i can get a screenie |
| 17:56.28 | Dewin | in PTR I use Progression, but I realy, really need to finish it |
| 17:56.30 | NeoTron | I just use whatever is in xperl |
| 17:56.41 | Dewin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11057-ProgressionPre-Alpha.html |
| 17:56.45 | NeoTron | I found that in LK I don't hawk eye the xp since it's so overall slow anyway |
| 17:56.50 | NeoTron | just need the occasional glance |
| 17:56.57 | Castigo | why minimapZoomInAngle = 0.0 for lua is a boolean btw it's unclear to me ^^ |
| 17:56.59 | NightHawkTheSane | dammit NeoTron. that pinged me. |
| 17:57.12 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: wow that's quite.. liberal |
| 17:57.21 | Xinhuan | i think mmo-champion coverage is winning worldofwar atm ;p |
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| 17:57.27 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: nah, some friends ona different channel use 'hawk' to talk to me all the time |
| 17:57.33 | Dewin | Neo: It's also rep and petXP, and I plan on levelling up a few pets so the pet XP in particular will be nice |
| 17:58.25 | NeoTron | ah |
| 17:58.27 | p3lim | http://upload.snelhest.org/images/081010WoWScrnShot_032608_030027.jpg |
| 17:58.28 | Dewin | Not to mention the tradeskill part if I ever get around to it |
| 17:58.32 | NeoTron | I just notice if the pet dings or not :P |
| 17:58.46 | Lunessa | I want updates to XParky, but at this rate I might just need to write the damned thing myself... |
| 17:59.00 | Dewin | If you have it set up right, you'll be able to have it pop up when you skin something regardless of whether you get a skinning skill up or not |
| 17:59.18 | Dewin | And it'll be in bright red if the reason you didn't get a skillup is because you forgot to uncap yourself from 150, you idiot. |
| 17:59.36 | p3lim | but atm im quite pleased with my oUF plugin to track xp |
| 17:59.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: you and me both, sir. :) |
| 18:00.11 | Dewin | so it'll have a 'normal' tradeskill color, a 'trainable' (within 25 levels of cap) color and 'capped' |
| 18:00.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ the comments: http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/10/blizzcon-2008-opening-ceremonies-liveblog/ |
| 18:00.33 | Lunessa | "I'm skinning and skinning and skinning these orange items all day and not one skillup!" *150/150* /facepalm |
| 18:00.44 | Dewin | Only issue is I don't know how to hook the tradeskill stuff yet |
| 18:00.53 | Castigo | p3im somone was spamming dirge by any chance? |
| 18:01.04 | Castigo | p.s. dude ur interface is MINIMALISTIC |
| 18:01.34 | ScytheBlade1 | okay rofl @ comment to first comment, hahaha |
| 18:02.17 | Castigo | scythe his typing is almost as bad as mine |
| 18:05.30 | jaxdahl2 | new d3 class = wizard? |
| 18:06.06 | Castigo | hey jax |
| 18:06.12 | jaxdahl2 | wut |
| 18:06.32 | Castigo | just greeting, meh u americans are cold |
| 18:07.06 | jaxdahl2 | i don't usually call out another person unless i plan on starting a conversation :p |
| 18:08.02 | Bibi | [19:57:10] <Xinhuan> i think mmo-champion coverage is winning worldofwar atm ;p |
| 18:08.04 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone listening to the live audiostream? |
| 18:08.05 | Bibi | hell, I'm not even here :p |
| 18:08.13 | Bibi | Neuro_Medivh : not for long |
| 18:08.20 | Bibi | I just linked it on my front page, and it will eventually crash I guess |
| 18:08.45 | Castigo | jax i didn't see you when i joined the room, so was say "hello" |
| 18:08.52 | Lunessa | Castigo: We're stone cold killers. We'll take your oil, your women, and your quality foodstuffs and be rude to you at parties. |
| 18:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Neuro_Medivh: link? |
| 18:09.04 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, starting to get laggy |
| 18:09.10 | NightHawkTheSane | NOT MY QUALITY FOODSTUFFS?! |
| 18:09.11 | Syzgyn | I take that back |
| 18:09.15 | Neuro_Medivh | http://media2.wcradio.com:8000/listen.pls |
| 18:09.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind, found it |
| 18:09.20 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 18:09.24 | Syzgyn | stealthed from the start = no name or class in arenas |
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| 18:09.50 | Neuro_Medivh | they said something about "Sanctuary in 3d" |
| 18:10.26 | Castigo | Lunessa i am afraid you forgot to mention the work |
| 18:10.47 | Lunessa | We don't want your work. We're busy shipping that shit to india and china. |
| 18:11.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Neuro_Medivh: that the high quality link? |
| 18:11.06 | Castigo | LOL |
| 18:11.32 | Neuro_Medivh | not sure, it's laggy as hell now though |
| 18:11.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 18:11.54 | Dewin | yeah.... I can't even listen to it. |
| 18:12.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ I Am Murloc |
| 18:12.28 | Dewin | I heard a little bit |
| 18:12.33 | Shane|Work | <3 that song |
| 18:12.36 | Castigo | btw, why anytime i try to achieve something new |
| 18:12.40 | Dewin | "I am"<buffering>"Mur"<buffering> |
| 18:12.42 | Castigo | i get in fuckloads of troubles ^^ |
| 18:12.49 | Dewin | it's like the old days of realplayer, only far worse |
| 18:12.51 | Shane|Work | Dewin: have you looked at eXPeritia? |
| 18:12.56 | Lunessa | I'll just wait for those who got tix to come back and tell me all the good stuff. And badger those who didn't want it to give me thier pet keys. |
| 18:12.56 | Shane|Work | on WowInt |
| 18:13.37 | Dewin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah the server is being hammered |
| 18:13.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: there are people who don't want it? >< |
| 18:14.05 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Once I get through with them... |
| 18:14.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: hehe |
| 18:14.20 | ScytheBlade1 | boo @ "It's good to be a pro gamer" |
| 18:14.21 | ScytheBlade1 | diiiiiiie |
| 18:14.46 | Lunessa | If I could make real money playing video games, I totally would do it. |
| 18:14.51 | Neuro_Medivh | who is talking btw? |
| 18:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea |
| 18:15.23 | Xinhuan | sounds like mike morhiane(sp?) |
| 18:15.29 | Xinhuan | CEO of blizz |
| 18:15.46 | Shane|Work | i'm getting a totally different stream apparently, mine was playing music |
| 18:15.47 | Neuro_Medivh | why yes it is |
| 18:16.12 | Dashkal | Shane|Work: http://media2.wcradio.com:8000/listen.pls is the correct stream |
| 18:16.19 | ScytheBlade1 | 512kb cache is working wonders btw |
| 18:16.42 | Shane|Work | mine's timing out here at work |
| 18:16.59 | Dashkal | It took me a few attempts to get it to load |
| 18:17.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Throngy (n=nn@5ad3c862.bb.sky.com) |
| 18:17.04 | Neuro_Medivh | I went to the wcradio site and started the low bandwidth version, it's working perfect now |
| 18:17.06 | Dashkal | Laggy as all hell. Poor server is getting hammered |
| 18:17.49 | jaxdahl2 | coworker just came back from lunch, i told him the new d3 class, but he already knew (i knew that he probably knew already since he played alpha) |
| 18:19.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh SC2 news |
| 18:19.37 | Castigo | is lua sin/cos in degrees? |
| 18:19.46 | kneeki | ScytheBlade1: Where? |
| 18:19.50 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: good call. much better |
| 18:19.53 | ScytheBlade1 | kneeki: the audio stream |
| 18:20.01 | ScytheBlade1 | tl;dr the key in the goodie bag this time around is for SC2 beta |
| 18:20.19 | Dewin | lua>print(math.sin(45)); |
| 18:20.20 | lua_bot | Dewin: 0.85090352453412 |
| 18:20.33 | Dashkal | This this page for the low quality stream: http://www.wcradio.com/schedule.php |
| 18:20.33 | Dewin | bah... I don't remember my trig at all to remember if that answers anything |
| 18:20.36 | Neuro_Medivh | just stopped for me |
| 18:20.48 | Dashkal | same |
| 18:20.49 | kneeki | ScytheBlade1: Oh em gee! I need video to this -_- |
| 18:21.09 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 18:21.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Nice, view source on the wcradio.com streams page |
| 18:21.20 | Dashkal | I think they crashed :( |
| 18:21.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me some high quality lagless streams |
| 18:21.33 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, I got nothing now |
| 18:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I am so totally abusing these |
| 18:21.41 | Shane|Work | that's radians |
| 18:22.00 | Shane|Work | erm, nm |
| 18:22.12 | Shane|Work | ~fail Shane|Work |
| 18:22.13 | purl | Shane|Work, you Fail! |
| 18:22.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://screlay-dtc0l-3.shoutcast.com:8024/;stream.nsv |
| 18:22.25 | Castigo | LOL why on earth |
| 18:22.29 | Castigo | sin/cos in lua are in degrees? |
| 18:22.33 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (n=chatzill@82-44-89-48.cable.ubr02.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 18:22.47 | Lunessa | BlizzCon streams crash like Victoria's Secret streams... |
| 18:23.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: use the stream I just linked. |
| 18:23.08 | batrick | i c wut u did thar |
| 18:23.18 | Lunessa | Sbo, nah. I just wanted to make a joke. |
| 18:23.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 18:23.37 | ScytheBlade1 | "11:23AM Uh, I need to change my shorts now. BRB.11:23AM Uh, I need to change my shorts now. BRB." |
| 18:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lolol wowinsider |
| 18:23.46 | batrick | Castigo: because they're in degrees in the C math library? |
| 18:24.00 | Castigo | batrick no chance |
| 18:24.25 | Castigo | in the C math library they are in radians as they should be |
| 18:24.58 | batrick | static int math_cos (lua_State *L) { lua_pushnumber(L, cos(luaL_checknumber(L, 1))); return 1; |
| 18:25.01 | batrick | } |
| 18:25.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Server returned 400:Server Full |
| 18:25.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ...... |
| 18:26.07 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, this is why we can't have nice things |
| 18:26.08 | Castigo | batrick is probably converted at some point |
| 18:26.13 | Xinhuan | 401: Service Unavailable |
| 18:26.30 | batrick | actually no it isn't |
| 18:26.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Error: ICY-Server return service unavailable, skipping! |
| 18:26.52 | batrick | And the C math library along with the Lua documentation state it's in radians |
| 18:27.04 | batrick | what you don't know is that apparently wow replaced the standard math functions |
| 18:27.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 18:27.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Because there isn't anything for another 30m |
| 18:27.24 | Xinhuan | did the opening ceremony stream just end? |
| 18:27.29 | Xinhuan | like, its over |
| 18:27.54 | Mundy- | http://upload.snelhest.org/images/081010WoWScrnShot_032608_030027.jpg |
| 18:27.58 | Mundy- | whats the map mod in that screenie |
| 18:28.03 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 18:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It's over |
| 18:28.20 | Castigo | bat i've got a slider that goes from 0 to 2PI to test |
| 18:28.30 | Castigo | and BARELY moves the thinghy |
| 18:28.31 | batrick | well no they didn't... lol |
| 18:28.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (n=chatzill@pool-96-246-12-99.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:28.36 | Castigo | from 0 to 360 works like a charm |
| 18:28.40 | Xinhuan | could be just about any map mod |
| 18:28.40 | batrick | no they just added another cos function to the global library |
| 18:28.50 | batrick | the math.cos is the the actual Lua library function |
| 18:28.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 18:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone record the UI panel? |
| 18:29.19 | Kraps | you guys following http://www.worldofwar.net/articles/417691/blizzcon-2008-live-blog ? |
| 18:29.21 | batrick | Castigo: cos() global function is degrees (Blizzard added that). math.cos is radians (standard Lua) |
| 18:29.24 | jaxdahl2 | ScytheBlade1, that doesn't start for another half hour yet |
| 18:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | jaxdahl2: yeah and I'll be in class |
| 18:29.42 | Shane|Work | Kraps: I am and the audio stream |
| 18:29.44 | Castigo | ah ah! explained |
| 18:29.50 | kneeki | Kraps: Needs to load faster =( |
| 18:30.06 | Castigo | blizz designer/scripters are incapable to understand radians in 2 words ^^ |
| 18:30.06 | jaxdahl2 | ScytheBlade1, there seemed to be an implicit 'did' at the beginning of your query |
| 18:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | jaxdahl2: implicit "will" |
| 18:30.23 | batrick | they likely did it for idiot script writers |
| 18:30.28 | Neuro_Medivh | the audio stream I was listening to crashed, sadness |
| 18:30.42 | Kraps | melee wizard roflwaffle |
| 18:30.48 | Kraps | cool |
| 18:30.56 | Castigo | batrick how that ends up |
| 18:31.05 | Castigo | without any problems in gimbal lock in angles god knows |
| 18:31.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Beladona (n=Beladona@97.97.212.0) |
| 18:31.34 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Beladona] by ChanServ |
| 18:32.17 | Kraps | all i hear is the typing sound |
| 18:32.30 | nevcairiel | oh hey i got sound on the shoutcast again |
| 18:32.34 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, reading that live blog, it sounds like all they are doing is watching the D3 machine, and ignoring the con itself |
| 18:33.18 | batrick | what's the best spec leveling as a shaman? |
| 18:33.50 | Kraps | batrick: enh |
| 18:33.52 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: enhance is always good, elemental might not be -too- bad anymore. *hrug* |
| 18:34.02 | Neuro_Medivh | enhance is hands-down the best leveling spec |
| 18:34.17 | Beladona | nevcairiel: you have a shoutcast stream? |
| 18:34.45 | Kraps | not getting sound |
| 18:34.50 | batrick | thanks guys |
| 18:35.03 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 18:35.19 | nevcairiel | the shoutcast is lagging like hell, and i dont see options in foobar2k to change buffering |
| 18:35.34 | Kraps | anywhere else i can catch the con? |
| 18:35.37 | batrick | are there any low teir talents in elemental or resto that i should pick up as well? |
| 18:35.47 | batrick | e.g. concussion? |
| 18:36.22 | NightHawkTheSane | not immediately |
| 18:36.27 | Xinhuan | i found the option to change buffering in winamp ;p |
| 18:36.36 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're starting at level 1, so to speak, just go straight up enhancement, really |
| 18:36.36 | Xinhuan | but there's no active stream atm anyway |
| 18:36.43 | nevcairiel | Beladona: http://www.wcradio.com/listen.pls |
| 18:36.46 | batrick | im level 14 atm |
| 18:36.58 | nevcairiel | one stream is 128 the other 56kbit |
| 18:36.59 | Xinhuan | they closed it until the next panel i think |
| 18:37.02 | batrick | i put 5 points in concussion... but i guess i should respec |
| 18:37.08 | nevcairiel | yeah its playing soem weird music now |
| 18:37.49 | Shane|Work | live blog: "they asked us not to film or photo the monitors." next post: "rush just put up a version on youtube" |
| 18:37.52 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: *shrug* it's your gold, its not the worst thing in the world, just prevents you from getting upper level enh talents sooner. DW/Stormstrike is -nice- |
| 18:38.03 | Neuro_Medivh | Shane, video from the press cd |
| 18:38.31 | Shane|Work | Neuro_Medivh: I know, it just seems like they may want to clarify the latter statement before they get ejected lol |
| 18:38.32 | Kraps | yeah whats with the terribad music? |
| 18:38.41 | Lunessa | batrick: For a shaman, enhancement-spec don't worry about elemental talents until 55+ |
| 18:38.54 | Kraps | nevcairiel: thanks for the link btw |
| 18:39.16 | Neuro_Medivh | they're playing gay shit now |
| 18:39.23 | Kraps | yeah |
| 18:39.37 | Fisker- | hows blizzcon Shirik|Ghost ? |
| 18:39.59 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (i=smcn@c-67-160-186-84.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 18:40.06 | batrick | ok thanks guys |
| 18:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | boo every time the stream dies it starts a new file |
| 18:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 18:40.59 | Neuro_Medivh | don't feel bad, right now they're playing horrible wow parodies |
| 18:41.07 | Dashkal | diablo class design vs wow ui panel... *cries* |
| 18:41.43 | ArrowmasterClass | i wana listen =( |
| 18:41.47 | Xinhuan | wonder if i can play both streams at the same time |
| 18:41.50 | Neuro_Medivh | wow ui panel, obviously... who cares about class design in a game we won't be able to play for another year? |
| 18:42.12 | Dashkal | ArrowmasterClass: nothing to listen to atm Opening ceremonies are done. next bit in about 15 mins |
| 18:42.30 | Neuro_Medivh | if only that were true, Dashkal |
| 18:42.32 | nevcairiel | i even installed winamp to get better shoutcast buffering, lol |
| 18:42.35 | ArrowmasterClass | wont be out of there for atleast another hour |
| 18:42.42 | Neuro_Medivh | how do you improve the buffering in winamp btw |
| 18:42.58 | ArrowmasterClass | nevcairiel: what were you using before? |
| 18:43.03 | Kraps | heres something entertaining http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/10/wow-moviewatch-what-happens-in-booty-bay-stays-in-booty-bay/ |
| 18:43.03 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: I care about diablo :p |
| 18:43.15 | nevcairiel | foobar2000, it skipped all the time and i couldnt fina option to increase the buffer |
| 18:43.25 | Shane|Work | !diablo > wow == true |
| 18:43.35 | ArrowmasterClass | hmm never had a problem with foobar2000 and streaming |
| 18:43.44 | ArrowmasterClass | was connected to one for like 6 hours once |
| 18:43.47 | nevcairiel | probably didnt run on a overloaded stream like that, lol |
| 18:44.08 | Dashkal | !(diablo > wow) == true? cause ! binds closer than > last I checked |
| 18:44.24 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: it does :P |
| 18:44.26 | Xinhuan | i have to giggle everytime i see the inflatable frostmourne screenshot |
| 18:45.20 | nevcairiel | diablo3 is awesome, but not skipping the ui panel for it now, its true that D3 is just too far away yet ;) |
| 18:46.45 | Dashkal | I'll probably listen to the UI panel and watch a liveblog for diablo |
| 18:46.55 | Dashkal | but then, listening is damn hard. I'm trying to get work done here too |
| 18:46.56 | foxlit | "watch a liveblog" |
| 18:47.02 | foxlit | ^^ awesome media confusion, there |
| 18:47.26 | Dashkal | watch is pretty accurate. read would work too, but watch adds the implication of keeping an active eye on it for updates |
| 18:47.28 | Fisker- | what stream Dashkal? OMG |
| 18:47.41 | Neuro_Medivh | from the blog: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u2azMHCaO_k&fmt=18 |
| 18:47.42 | Dashkal | Fisker-: http://www.wcradio.com/schedule.php# |
| 18:47.54 | Dashkal | there's a link for the UI panel in 13 mins |
| 18:48.05 | famicom | ugh |
| 18:48.06 | famicom | dammit |
| 18:48.10 | famicom | MY GOLD |
| 18:48.11 | famicom | IT IS NO MORE |
| 18:48.12 | Fisker- | ew |
| 18:48.13 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowinsider.com/photos/blizzcon-2008-costumes/1090296/ |
| 18:48.16 | Fisker- | wcradio |
| 18:48.16 | Xinhuan | cosplay photos |
| 18:48.29 | Fisker- | is that a man? |
| 18:48.29 | famicom | ugh |
| 18:48.33 | famicom | is that a guy or a girl |
| 18:48.45 | Xinhuan | i don't know LOL |
| 18:49.04 | Xinhuan | the pandaran one looks pretty cook |
| 18:49.05 | Xinhuan | cool |
| 18:49.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: i hate you |
| 18:49.11 | famicom | eh |
| 18:49.27 | famicom | considering the kind of kewl d00dz blizzcon atrrtacts |
| 18:49.27 | famicom | http://www.wowinsider.com/photos/blizzcon-2008-costumes/1090285/ |
| 18:49.40 | famicom | i suppose even ugly men/women can get laid |
| 18:49.54 | NightHawkTheSane | the eredar twins costumes are pretty neat, actually |
| 18:49.55 | Xinhuan | and the eredar twins one is decent |
| 18:50.16 | Kraps | is that password thing legit? |
| 18:50.24 | famicom | http://www.wowinsider.com/photos/blizzcon-2008-costumes/1090294/ |
| 18:50.32 | famicom | I might bang her if im wasted |
| 18:50.32 | Fisker- | password thing? |
| 18:50.45 | Kraps | wcradio |
| 18:51.01 | nevcairiel | eradar twins ..... :D |
| 18:51.05 | nevcairiel | *eredar |
| 18:51.06 | Fisker- | don't do it famicom |
| 18:51.07 | Fisker- | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2008/10/img_1749.jpg |
| 18:51.09 | Kraps | asking for char nam and pass |
| 18:51.10 | Fisker- | "Sarah /b/" |
| 18:51.14 | Fisker- | She broke rule 1 & 2 |
| 18:51.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 18:51.34 | Fisker- | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2008/10/img_1750.jpg <-i'd do her |
| 18:51.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I got the streams being recorded properly |
| 18:51.50 | Shane|Work | gender is still undetermined there, fisker |
| 18:51.54 | Fisker- | i know |
| 18:51.59 | famicom | ok |
| 18:52.04 | famicom | make that drunk and high on coke |
| 18:52.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh bah I don't |
| 18:52.30 | Shane|Work | do either of the room204 streams work yet? |
| 18:52.54 | famicom | raido isnt so damn interesting |
| 18:53.22 | nevcairiel | Shane|Work: nah its 401, stream turned off |
| 18:53.48 | Castigo | nevca are u around there? |
| 18:54.22 | nevcairiel | wut? |
| 18:55.22 | nevcairiel | good that most people will listen to the d3 stream |
| 18:55.25 | nevcairiel | so no issues on the ui one =P |
| 18:55.45 | Castigo | in AceConfig3 (i checked the doc) |
| 18:55.56 | Castigo | there is NO way of having an empty "space" between 2 config params? |
| 18:56.17 | Castigo | unless i use an hack of some kind |
| 18:56.23 | nevcairiel | there is |
| 18:56.27 | Castigo | i mean there is no type spacer something like that |
| 18:56.36 | nevcairiel | vertical or horizontal? |
| 18:56.46 | nevcairiel | like, newline or just a tab? |
| 18:56.52 | Castigo | newline |
| 18:57.07 | nevcairiel | just create a type=description with name="" |
| 18:57.11 | nevcairiel | and it starts a new line |
| 18:57.17 | Xinhuan | linebreak = { order = 9, type = "description",name = "", }, |
| 18:57.22 | Xinhuan | that will make a newline ;p |
| 18:57.30 | nevcairiel | if you add a width="half" you get a half-wide tab |
| 18:57.34 | Castigo | yes that is an "hack" tho |
| 18:57.42 | ScytheBlade1 | streams recording! yey |
| 18:57.43 | Xinhuan | it is the "recommended" hack |
| 18:57.53 | Shane|Work | not a hack if the people who worked on AceConfig directly tell you to do it that way =P |
| 18:57.57 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: i dont even get stuff on the ui panel stream |
| 18:58.21 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: I've got mplayer -ao pcm:file=blah in a loop :) |
| 18:58.31 | Castigo | shane lolz but still ^^ |
| 18:58.44 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:58.47 | Castigo | i knew that "trick" but i hoped there was a clear way |
| 18:59.00 | Castigo | nev feature request ^^ |
| 18:59.09 | nevcairiel | no deal |
| 18:59.12 | nevcairiel | its already simple enough |
| 18:59.40 | Fisker- | YES |
| 18:59.42 | Fisker- | BLACK SCREEN |
| 18:59.45 | Fisker- | best stream evar |
| 18:59.59 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: the video stream on the blizzcon page is only for tournaments |
| 19:00.04 | Fisker- | i know |
| 19:00.12 | nevcairiel | they dont stream the panels because the sold those rights to t hat crappy us company |
| 19:00.14 | Dashkal | wtf... the room 204 stream is in chipmunk mode... |
| 19:00.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Onewey_ (n=Weye1@dsl-hkibras-fe33f900-6.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 19:00.19 | Fisker- | i know |
| 19:00.23 | Fisker- | As you should know |
| 19:00.26 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: i still get 401 |
| 19:00.28 | Fisker- | Us doesn't care about eu players |
| 19:00.31 | Fisker- | i told you that months ago |
| 19:00.34 | Fisker- | US* |
| 19:00.41 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: I used the flash streamer |
| 19:00.47 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: ah |
| 19:00.52 | Fisker- | I'm just hoping they fail the stream along the way at some point |
| 19:00.59 | Fisker- | like "oops we went to the panels" |
| 19:01.03 | Dashkal | I don't get this... it's in high speed and isn't running out of stream |
| 19:01.11 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:01.12 | Dashkal | there we go |
| 19:01.16 | Dashkal | ran out of buffer :p |
| 19:01.19 | Fisker- | Akamai = srs business |
| 19:01.33 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as I can tell, wcradio has three high quality streams on three different ports that they shuffle around as they need to |
| 19:01.37 | Dashkal | resetting it worked |
| 19:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | So I'm just recording all three ports :P |
| 19:01.52 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: do you get ui panel stream now? |
| 19:02.06 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: yes |
| 19:02.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Onewey_ (n=Weye1@dsl-hkibras-fe33f900-6.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 19:02.15 | Dashkal | They're just yapping atm, no panel yet |
| 19:02.17 | Hjalte | Oh, isn't that leroy on the official blizz stream? |
| 19:02.29 | Hjalte | the tournament stream that is |
| 19:02.29 | nevcairiel | why is the shoutcast not doing stuff yet <.< |
| 19:02.40 | Dashkal | I can't work the .pls. The flash streamer is working |
| 19:02.52 | Dashkal | http://www.wcradio.com/schedule.php room 204 - low |
| 19:02.59 | nevcairiel | yeah i joined that now |
| 19:03.26 | Dashkal | rofl |
| 19:03.33 | Dashkal | and I thought I was a geek... |
| 19:03.38 | nevcairiel | are they hitting on some statue? |
| 19:03.40 | Neuro_Medivh | you know they're nerds, they're getting excited over a statuette |
| 19:03.55 | jaxdahl2 | wow, $75k for 1st place? |
| 19:04.49 | NightHawkTheSane | blarg! wtb more sg:a! |
| 19:04.53 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10971910363&sid=1#5 - because I'm silly. |
| 19:05.24 | Xinhuan | im not getting any stream |
| 19:05.33 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: use the flash thing on the page |
| 19:05.34 | nevcairiel | low quality |
| 19:05.34 | Cidan | WHAT NOW |
| 19:05.38 | Cidan | WIZARD POWERS |
| 19:05.40 | nevcairiel | but they are only talking shit |
| 19:05.41 | Xinhuan | yeah well low or high, i'm not getting anything |
| 19:05.44 | Cidan | No really, I love the new class. |
| 19:05.56 | Dashkal | not sure this is the right stream... |
| 19:06.09 | Neuro_Medivh | don't think it is |
| 19:06.11 | nevcairiel | sounds like the production studio stream |
| 19:06.11 | *** join/#wowuidev netcurse (n=chatzill@12.187.138.130) |
| 19:06.22 | Dashkal | exactly |
| 19:07.01 | Neuro_Medivh | I think they've fubared their whole system |
| 19:07.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ui panel stream should be going |
| 19:07.17 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel: i'm just getting service unavailable |
| 19:07.46 | nevcairiel | the mainstage stream has music |
| 19:07.59 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 19:08.01 | Fisker- | haha |
| 19:08.06 | Fisker- | russians owned by visa >:3 |
| 19:08.28 | nevcairiel | 204 stream works |
| 19:08.29 | Fisker- | Some russian at blizzcon who haven't been able to attend global tournaments because of not having visa >:3 |
| 19:08.35 | Dashkal | Its working now |
| 19:08.49 | Dashkal | erm... actually, this sounds like opening ceremony |
| 19:08.56 | nevcairiel | kinda |
| 19:09.00 | nevcairiel | chipmunk o.O |
| 19:09.07 | kneeki | blah! |
| 19:09.09 | Shane|Work | http://media2.wcradio.com:8004/listen.pls right? for 204-low? |
| 19:09.22 | kneeki | Why is it most all WoW Guild websites I visit look so bad? |
| 19:09.30 | nevcairiel | Shane|Work: yeah, but its not working anymore |
| 19:09.35 | kneeki | Maybe it's just my server |
| 19:09.40 | nevcairiel | and high is doing the chipmunkj |
| 19:10.17 | Dashkal | chipmunk can be fixed by refreshing |
| 19:10.31 | Dashkal | ok, this sounds right |
| 19:10.37 | nevcairiel | right |
| 19:10.44 | nevcairiel | achievement stuff |
| 19:10.50 | nevcairiel | kidna boring without video |
| 19:10.52 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:11.08 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, finally works |
| 19:11.20 | ScytheBlade1 | heh they made a your face joke |
| 19:11.48 | ScytheBlade1 | All the blue was "too Disney" and "Ugly. Like your face." Says he was stuck after this. |
| 19:12.00 | nevcairiel | man you're faster then me |
| 19:12.04 | nevcairiel | i must have too much buffering |
| 19:12.05 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:12.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that Zoot talking? |
| 19:12.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought he did a lot of it |
| 19:12.31 | Shane|Work | man, worldofwar fails at liveblogging |
| 19:12.35 | |pez| | not... not getting it to connect. |
| 19:12.38 | Xinhuan | i already closed that window |
| 19:12.40 | Neuro_Medivh | low bandwidth is a bit ahead of the high |
| 19:12.48 | Shane|Work | I can't get the low to play at all still |
| 19:13.06 | nevcairiel | high works fine for me now |
| 19:13.19 | Shane|Work | neither for that matter |
| 19:13.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why I have mplayer in a while (true) loop ;) |
| 19:13.33 | Neuro_Medivh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.39 | nevcairiel | the shoutcast, not the flash thing |
| 19:13.44 | Stanzilla | who is talking atm? |
| 19:13.55 | nevcairiel | zoot maybe, who knows |
| 19:13.58 | Xinhuan | i'm listening to 2 streams atm |
| 19:14.04 | Xinhuan | the blizzard tourny one |
| 19:14.17 | Xinhuan | and the high quality 204 room |
| 19:14.40 | Dashkal | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/10/blizzcon-2008-ui-panel-liveblog/ has the beginning stuff |
| 19:14.48 | ArrowmasterClass | who are these guys on the live video stream? |
| 19:15.02 | ArrowmasterClass | im watching but no sound |
| 19:15.04 | |pez| | Where can I get the live videostream? |
| 19:15.16 | nevcairiel | |pez|: no video stream :( |
| 19:15.28 | nevcairiel | oh, the tourney stream? |
| 19:15.34 | |pez| | awpoop, audiostram then. :P |
| 19:15.54 | ScytheBlade1 | "Or we're stupid." |
| 19:15.57 | Shane|Work | rawr, no stream-ey for shane |
| 19:16.20 | Neuro_Medivh | I imagine half the room is the wowi crew |
| 19:16.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably |
| 19:16.59 | Neuro_Medivh | cause most people will be "OMG DEEAHBLOW CLASS DESIGN!" |
| 19:17.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Onewey (n=Weye1@dsl-hkibras-fe33f900-6.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 19:17.24 | NeoTron | lol. devs decided to remove runic power, ui updated.. and then they added it again |
| 19:17.43 | End | heh |
| 19:18.19 | Neuro_Medivh | "my ball is full, huh huh" |
| 19:20.06 | ArrowmasterClass | watching the tourny stream with no sound while in class...... |
| 19:20.16 | ArrowmasterClass | all is see is game cenimatics |
| 19:20.24 | nevcairiel | ArrowmasterClass: isnt that more boring then class? |
| 19:20.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ wowinsider comments |
| 19:20.50 | ScytheBlade1 | "Oh please, 9 months, that's gotta take 1 month tops" |
| 19:21.03 | Kraps | "Going over the achievement UI. Design took 9 months from start to finish. Paper mock ups first, then Photoshop, all done before any coding." |
| 19:21.17 | Kraps | THIS is wht blizz is awesome |
| 19:21.23 | Kraps | *why |
| 19:22.51 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster: i'm getting the opposite, i'm getting a perfect audio stream from blizzard |
| 19:22.59 | Xinhuan | but video is like 0.05 FPS |
| 19:23.01 | Castigo | entirely OT, has anyone have any url for audiobooks? |
| 19:23.11 | Kraps | Xinhuan: where? |
| 19:23.13 | Neuro_Medivh | what kind of audiobooks |
| 19:23.14 | NeoTron | Kraps: the flipside is we only get an expansion every other year... |
| 19:23.20 | Xinhuan | http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/video/stream-wow.xml |
| 19:23.32 | Xinhuan | blizzard has a few streams |
| 19:23.41 | nevcairiel | thats only a tournament stream, nothing good in there |
| 19:23.47 | Xinhuan | one for their RTS competitions, that one i linked is a tourny stream |
| 19:23.49 | Castigo | Neuro anything |
| 19:23.56 | Castigo | i feel like watching a film but haven't got any new one |
| 19:23.57 | Xinhuan | first match is Franatics vs a taiwan team |
| 19:23.59 | Xinhuan | that's a MUST WATCH |
| 19:24.00 | Kraps | Xinhuan: awsome thanks |
| 19:24.01 | Castigo | so i am after audiobooks ^^ |
| 19:24.02 | Xinhuan | Hafu team |
| 19:24.11 | Castigo | fantasy series would be lovely |
| 19:24.17 | Castigo | Harry Potter or Tolkie |
| 19:24.19 | Castigo | Tolkien |
| 19:24.36 | Xinhuan | basically, top US team vs top taiwan team |
| 19:25.16 | Xinhuan | currency UI lol |
| 19:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | So glad we're getting that |
| 19:25.41 | Movix | hi, is there a way to get a list of all available fonts ? |
| 19:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Movix: check out the Font* files on wowcompares.com |
| 19:25.58 | Xinhuan | yes, C:\Windows\Fonts |
| 19:26.17 | Dashkal | man, cramped for space much |
| 19:26.17 | Xinhuan | if you're referring to fonts in wow, then no :) |
| 19:26.32 | Movix | hmmmm, i mean from within the game through API calls |
| 19:26.33 | Castigo | self.fontList = self.Media:List("font") ? |
| 19:26.40 | Castigo | DivineUI.Media = LibStub("LibSharedMedia-3.0") |
| 19:26.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Movix: you can iterate over every possible frame and check the type and work from there, but that isn't always a good method |
| 19:26.59 | Kraps | what type of game is diablo? |
| 19:27.02 | Neuro_Medivh | this isn't a panel, it's a lecture |
| 19:27.06 | Xinhuan | RPG |
| 19:27.12 | NeoTron | action rpg |
| 19:27.16 | Xinhuan | topdown isometric view action RPG |
| 19:27.20 | Kraps | and starcraft? |
| 19:27.27 | Xinhuan | starcraft is a RTS |
| 19:27.37 | kneeki | I love Blizzard -_- |
| 19:27.45 | kneeki | Would be great to work for such a company some day |
| 19:27.47 | Kraps | are the good? |
| 19:27.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Q&A starting |
| 19:27.53 | Castigo | Movix i do it like this: DivineUI.Media = LibStub("LibSharedMedia-3.0") DivineUI.fontList = self.Media:List("font") -- u need indeed LIbSharedMedia-3.0 as support library |
| 19:27.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Now for the good stuff |
| 19:28.06 | kneeki | Kraps: They change your life for ever. |
| 19:28.08 | Castigo | no idea if it's entirely wrong method tho |
| 19:28.23 | Kraps | kneeki: orly? |
| 19:28.30 | Dashkal | was that neth? |
| 19:28.38 | kneeki | Kraps: Yes, no doubt |
| 19:28.50 | Movix | ok, i will lok at that, thx |
| 19:29.12 | Kraps | kneeki: what are similar games that i might know? |
| 19:29.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: that just said queue up? maybe.. |
| 19:29.25 | Neuro_Medivh | similar to what, starcraft? |
| 19:29.41 | Cide- | whooo d3 teleport |
| 19:29.41 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: that's who I was referring to. It sure sounded like Neth |
| 19:29.42 | Kraps | and diablo |
| 19:29.47 | Neuro_Medivh | if you don't know Starcraft or Warcraft, you wouldn't know any other games |
| 19:29.55 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 19:30.03 | Neuro_Medivh | it's like saying "Star Wars? What kind of movie is that? What other kinds of movies are like it?" |
| 19:30.13 | Kraps | hmmm |
| 19:30.27 | Xinhuan | main backpack woo |
| 19:30.40 | Neuro_Medivh | Starcraft is a real-time strategy game, like Warcraft, or Command and Conquer, etc |
| 19:30.56 | Xinhuan | the tourny stream has just streamed 3 wow trailers in a row ;p |
| 19:31.08 | Xinhuan | wow trailer, d3 trailer, sc2 trailer |
| 19:31.29 | nevcairiel | 3 wow trailers? and that includes d3 trailer in your world? =P |
| 19:31.30 | kneeki | I hope that Blizz gives me enough recuperation time between game releases in the next year... |
| 19:31.31 | Xinhuan | 3 blizzard* trailers rather |
| 19:31.33 | NeoTron | Kraps: although not necessarily first or anything, Starcraft and Diablo were rather genre defining etc |
| 19:31.36 | Kraps | Command and Conquer i'm familiar with |
| 19:31.46 | Neuro_Medivh | Diablo is an isometric view action clicker game... hard to give you an example, cause Diablo is the most popular of the genre |
| 19:31.57 | Fisker- | Sacred! |
| 19:32.00 | Fisker- | Titan Quest! |
| 19:32.06 | Xinhuan | there are similar games to Diablo... there's one from microsoft too ;p |
| 19:32.12 | Neuro_Medivh | Darkstone |
| 19:32.17 | Dashkal | Ever play Nox by Westwood? |
| 19:32.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Dungeon Siege |
| 19:32.42 | Kraps | Dashkal: no |
| 19:32.54 | foxlit | type game name into youtube -> find gameplay video -> solved |
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| 19:32.58 | Dashkal | pity. Good game, not enough attention |
| 19:33.24 | Neuro_Medivh | I wish there was a modern version of X-Com |
| 19:33.28 | Neuro_Medivh | that was a bad-ass game |
| 19:33.29 | Dashkal | ooo, ohpleaseohpleaseohplease implement that |
| 19:33.36 | Dashkal | (confirm on respeccing) |
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| 19:34.34 | foxlit | You know, you could probably make that work through an addon already |
| 19:34.36 | Stanzilla | haha that was nice |
| 19:34.49 | nevcairiel | foxlit: easily, yea |
| 19:34.50 | Dashkal | I think talented had such a feature. Never used it |
| 19:35.02 | Xinhuan | whoa nice suggestion |
| 19:35.08 | nevcairiel | now they mention "Dual spec" just once, and dont give damn details |
| 19:35.17 | Dashkal | Not actually announced yet :p |
| 19:35.27 | foxlit | Wouldn't expect game design details from UI guys |
| 19:35.47 | nevcairiel | all the interesting other panels are tomorrow :/ |
| 19:35.54 | Kraps | well see, NeoTron said "Starcraft and Diablo were rather genre defining" (kind of like wow), but you dont see ass much coverage or hype as similar game of thier gnre |
| 19:36.05 | Kraps | *as... |
| 19:36.10 | NeoTron | Kraps: probably because they are both old |
| 19:36.24 | NeoTron | the newest iterations, not including SC2 and Diablo 3 are many years old |
| 19:36.42 | Neuro_Medivh | when D2 came out it was huge |
| 19:36.47 | nevcairiel | Warcraft + Warcrraft2 or Starcraft did define the genre of RTS |
| 19:36.50 | Neuro_Medivh | it's just been 7 years is all |
| 19:37.13 | Dewin | ... when will the live blizzcon page start giving coverage and stop playing trailers over and over again |
| 19:37.17 | |pez| | I want an assasinlike class for D3 |
| 19:37.18 | Neuro_Medivh | oh man, that guy sounds 15 |
| 19:37.19 | Stanzilla | that voice was creepy |
| 19:37.21 | nevcairiel | even D1 was huge and probably created that genre :P |
| 19:37.22 | NeoTron | Starcraft came out in 1998, Diablo 2 in 2000 |
| 19:37.26 | Dashkal | Was that the nerd from family guy? |
| 19:37.28 | Kraps | k, im done watching trailers |
| 19:37.35 | End | :o |
| 19:37.39 | End | a new MMO with a brand new universe |
| 19:37.42 | NeoTron | amazing thing is people still play both |
| 19:37.43 | |pez| | NeoTron: D2 came in 200= |
| 19:37.48 | |pez| | 2000? |
| 19:37.52 | Neuro_Medivh | I thought 2001 |
| 19:37.59 | NeoTron | according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_2 |
| 19:38.04 | |pez| | Neuro_Medivh: can't have been 2001 really. |
| 19:38.04 | Neuro_Medivh | to the internets! |
| 19:38.14 | foxlit | End: cue "I'm leaving wow to {blizzard's new game}" threads |
| 19:38.16 | |pez| | I played D2 loooong before my mom died. :P which was january 2001 |
| 19:38.19 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, yeah, 2000 |
| 19:38.20 | Shane|Work | Dashkal: I had the summoner archetype on Nox |
| 19:38.35 | NeoTron | battle chest in 2001 |
| 19:38.35 | Dewin | a starcraft MMO would be kind of interesting, actually. |
| 19:38.38 | ScytheBlade1 | NO |
| 19:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | DEWIN |
| 19:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | CLOSE YOUR MOUTH |
| 19:38.43 | Dashkal | Shane|Work: :D I played all three right through. Never really settled on a favorite. I liked all three |
| 19:38.47 | ScytheBlade1 | DO NOT DIRTY MY ONE AND ONLY |
| 19:38.55 | Dashkal | Summoner + mecha golem was pure win, though |
| 19:38.59 | NeoTron | I guessed it was SC2 |
| 19:39.20 | Dewin | ScytheBlade1: Actually, the genre differences between an SC MMO and WoW would probably get a lot of people playing both games. |
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| 19:39.23 | NeoTron | sorry SC MMO |
| 19:39.25 | End | foxlit: well, it's not coming out for a while |
| 19:39.33 | NeoTron | but really it has a workd that would be hard to realize as an MMO |
| 19:39.38 | foxlit | that never stopped anyone :) |
| 19:39.42 | End | true |
| 19:39.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: I'd die. Leave SC as an RTS, thanks. |
| 19:39.45 | Fisker- | OMG STARCRAFT 2 |
| 19:39.49 | Fisker- | I just saw it on the stream! |
| 19:39.55 | Fisker- | There's a terran marine!1 |
| 19:39.55 | NeoTron | I suspect we'll see the new MMO announced shortly, around Jun 2034 |
| 19:40.00 | Dewin | ScytheBlade1: How many people said that about WoW? |
| 19:40.01 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: MMO RTS? =P its a genre too |
| 19:40.01 | End | and honestly, I don't care...if people want to quit for a game that isn't out yet..um..whatever |
| 19:40.05 | Lunessa | I want SF MMO. StarCraft would be cool. BUT WH40K would be better. |
| 19:40.16 | foxlit | sf? |
| 19:40.20 | NeoTron | I want a Mech Warrior type MMO |
| 19:40.20 | Dewin | scifi |
| 19:40.21 | Lunessa | Science Fiction |
| 19:40.23 | NeoTron | badly |
| 19:40.27 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: indeed. |
| 19:40.36 | NeoTron | unfortunately Microsoft owns that IP |
| 19:40.40 | foxlit | eve, then? |
| 19:40.50 | NeoTron | foxlit: eve is... not it |
| 19:40.56 | Fisker- | why's that unfortunate NeoTron ? |
| 19:40.58 | Dewin | NeoTron: ever play Sahttered Steel? |
| 19:41.02 | NeoTron | I have a vague hope that the Stargate MMO might be good |
| 19:41.03 | Lunessa | Eve is cool, but not what I'm looking for. |
| 19:41.03 | Fisker- | Why would they want to protect their IP? |
| 19:41.10 | Dewin | s/Sah/Sha/ |
| 19:41.11 | NeoTron | Fisker-: they are unlikely to make a MW MMO |
| 19:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | "Pimping the mod community. Kevin Kelly and Slouken were just introduced. Major props for Slouken from the audience." |
| 19:41.20 | Fisker- | *me lols @ the people who thought they could make a Shadowrun MMO without rights from Microsoft* |
| 19:41.21 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd like a really nicely done shadowrun/cyberpunk mmo |
| 19:41.22 | Lunessa | NeoTron: It won't be. Hallowed are the Ori. |
| 19:41.23 | NeoTron | Dewin: probably not although name is familiar |
| 19:41.24 | Dewin | It was a mechwarrior like game, made by Bioware. |
| 19:41.28 | Fisker- | NeoTron ^^ my point |
| 19:41.28 | Dewin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shattered_Steel |
| 19:41.29 | Fisker- | :D |
| 19:41.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Gee I wonder who was in the audience when the name "Slouken" was mentioned |
| 19:41.32 | foxlit | It's a SF MMO :) |
| 19:41.50 | End | ScytheBlade1: I have NO IDEA AT ALL |
| 19:41.56 | NeoTron | most MW clones are jsut weak clones :P |
| 19:41.58 | End | :P |
| 19:42.06 | NeoTron | battletech/mw is simply the best |
| 19:42.37 | NeoTron | used to play both the tabletop and the MW pen and paper RPG back in the days |
| 19:42.37 | Kraps | i'm stuck reading http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/10/blizzcon-2008-ui-panel-liveblog/ |
| 19:42.42 | ScytheBlade1 | same |
| 19:42.47 | Kraps | not too bad thought |
| 19:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I have streams recording... on my home computer |
| 19:43.07 | Fisker- | Anyone threatened them to actually make signups in their calendar? >:3 |
| 19:43.08 | Kraps | at least the use full sentences |
| 19:43.34 | foxlit | Q: Where is the Itemrack? |
| 19:43.34 | foxlit | A: Tabled for now. (paraphrased) |
| 19:43.42 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 19:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | We've known that for a while |
| 19:43.47 | foxlit | They garbled both the question and the answer, I think |
| 19:44.05 | Dewin | I don't like the builtin calendar, too limited IMHO |
| 19:44.12 | Fisker- | ah Bibi |
| 19:44.12 | Fisker- | say it ain't so |
| 19:44.13 | Dewin | I've already gone over how it could be improved |
| 19:44.23 | Fisker- | "Secret project = new mmo" |
| 19:44.27 | Fisker- | so old news :( |
| 19:44.29 | foxlit | The original thing was about replacing the main backpack bag being tabled in favour of moving tokens/mounts/pets out of bags. |
| 19:44.47 | End | We knew they were doing a new mmo |
| 19:44.52 | End | but no idea what universe |
| 19:44.57 | End | apparently it's not an existing one though |
| 19:45.53 | Xinhuan | minimap button warrior! |
| 19:46.09 | Fisker- | No other universe that made sense imo >:3 |
| 19:46.10 | Dashkal | BetterBlizzOptions... |
| 19:46.19 | foxlit | they need to stop blocking other UI frames while optionsui is shown |
| 19:46.31 | foxlit | But that's a mainmenu thing |
| 19:46.38 | Xinhuan | suggestion forums gogo foxlit |
| 19:46.42 | Kraps | Q: "Dumb question, why no skulls in China?" |
| 19:46.44 | Kraps | A: That's just how they operate. No skulls in china, no red blood in Germany. Not entirely sure why, that's just how those places work. |
| 19:46.49 | Kraps | what? |
| 19:46.51 | foxlit | Xinhuan: laazy :) |
| 19:46.59 | Xinhuan | Kraps: laws in those countries |
| 19:46.59 | nevcairiel | Kraps: totally mangled the response :P |
| 19:47.31 | Kraps | no skulls in the chinese version? |
| 19:47.31 | foxlit | Although it bugs my UI design in half the cases, no one seems to complain |
| 19:47.41 | Kraps | oh |
| 19:47.41 | foxlit | Must've been a heck of a localization job |
| 19:47.48 | foxlit | There's a heckload of skulls in WoW :) |
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| 19:48.25 | Fisker- | bah |
| 19:48.25 | Fisker- | i knew it |
| 19:48.44 | Xinhuan | i'm one of those ppl that say NO to onebag solutions |
| 19:48.45 | Fisker- | Q: Where is the Itemrack? (Shot in the back, better luck next time) |
| 19:48.53 | Xinhuan | one bag makes it hard to organize stuff |
| 19:48.56 | Xinhuan | 5 bags is easier |
| 19:49.01 | Fisker- | Q: "Dumb question, why no skulls in China?" (Shot in the head, this is the UI panel?) |
| 19:49.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i like baggins, or similar sorting mods :P |
| 19:49.10 | Dewin | Xinhuan: Or an addon that, you know, automatically organizes stuff. |
| 19:49.13 | Dewin | I use arkinventory |
| 19:49.15 | nevcairiel | i can organize fine in one big bag Xinhuan =P |
| 19:49.16 | Fisker- | Q: Any plans to implement a focus frame? (wtf?) |
| 19:49.21 | Xinhuan | no i don't like auto sorting addons either |
| 19:49.23 | foxlit | Meh |
| 19:49.32 | Dewin | I do, if they're configurable |
| 19:49.38 | Xinhuan | if i put an item in BagX in SLotY, i expect to see it there |
| 19:49.39 | Dewin | and have a way to figure out where something I just picked up went |
| 19:49.41 | foxlit | No current bag solutions are appealing to the point of bothering to install and update relevant addons |
| 19:49.50 | Fisker- | Q: Raid leader asking about PallyPower. Any plans to add similar addons? "Most useful addons around." |
| 19:49.51 | Fisker- | UGH |
| 19:49.59 | Fisker- | Ask about the stupid blessings being fixed instead of UI solutions |
| 19:50.00 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 19:50.08 | foxlit | I'm with Xin as far as bag sorting is concerned - it's trivial to arrange something predictable most of the time. |
| 19:50.30 | Dewin | I'd rather spend the time up front than whenever I pick something up that needs to be sorted :) |
| 19:50.39 | nevcairiel | my inventory is usually always sorted in one big frame |
| 19:50.44 | Xinhuan | leftmost bag always contains stuff u carry around, reagents, mounts, etc |
| 19:50.47 | foxlit | But if I wanted an addon, it'd be to find specific items rather than do anything to the bag -- i.e. "give me a [...]" |
| 19:50.51 | Xinhuan | then next few bags is gear |
| 19:50.54 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i agree that its not terribly difficult to do, i just don't like having to DO it. personally, i set up a sorting bag mod once, and call it good. But thats really personal preference i guess |
| 19:50.56 | nevcairiel | i always have spare places if i try sorting by bag |
| 19:50.57 | Xinhuan | so the rightmost bag is stuff you pick up |
| 19:51.00 | nevcairiel | like 2 free there, 3 there |
| 19:51.04 | nevcairiel | and nothing to fit int here |
| 19:51.12 | Dewin | nev: That's exactly why I don't do that |
| 19:51.17 | Dewin | since as a hunter I'm cramped for bag space as is |
| 19:51.18 | Xinhuan | i don't sort them like that nevcairiel |
| 19:51.25 | sb | <3 Combuctor + MrPlow :P |
| 19:51.28 | Kraps | Will we be getting more action bars with all of our new spells? yeah i was wondering about that |
| 19:51.42 | Fisker- | If i were a Blizzcon |
| 19:51.45 | foxlit | And now he directly contradicted the wowinsider blog. Awesome :) |
| 19:51.51 | sb | Fisker-: i dont want to hear any comments about mrplow this time! :P |
| 19:51.51 | Fisker- | I would've asked 4 times when they'd be making signups in the calendar |
| 19:51.54 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: see, i just have rows and columns to sort bye :P |
| 19:51.58 | Lunessa | I happen to LIKE separate bags and manual sorting. |
| 19:52.03 | Fisker- | wut sb? >:3 |
| 19:52.06 | nevcairiel | *by |
| 19:52.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: you're crazy. |
| 19:52.14 | Xinhuan | zomg someone asked about coordinate translation |
| 19:52.32 | Lunessa | That's a given. But every bag AddOn I've ever tried to use just makes a frikking mess of my stuff. |
| 19:52.41 | Dewin | Fisker-: I want them to make it possible to shift-click link a calendar entry and let others click on it and sign up |
| 19:52.58 | Kraps | Q: Any chance to show coordinates? |
| 19:53.00 | Kraps | A: No. The design with that is somewhat obtuse on purpose. |
| 19:53.01 | Dewin | so you can do out of guild signups |
| 19:53.04 | Kraps | fail? |
| 19:53.05 | ZorbaBeta | I spent a reasonably large amount of time customizing Baggins |
| 19:53.07 | Neuro_Medivh | I love bagnon |
| 19:53.14 | Neuro_Medivh | all one bag! |
| 19:53.34 | foxlit | The only situation where something automatic is useful is when you're actually leveling, but even then, it's more of a "find the quest item I need" or "sell all the looted junk". |
| 19:53.36 | jaxdahl2 | baggins saves me so frigging much time |
| 19:53.38 | Fisker- | fail indeed Kraps |
| 19:53.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: i did, once, a while back, haven't really spent much time since. |
| 19:54.03 | nevcairiel | man again a not-so-UIish question :P |
| 19:54.06 | Dewin | foxlit: I have a category that's quest items, and another category is "stuff to right click to vendor" ;) |
| 19:54.22 | Dewin | which includes grays and select whites (fish oil, etc.) |
| 19:54.26 | ZorbaBeta | where's the liveblog you guys are reading? |
| 19:54.32 | Fisker- | Q: A question was asked if there will be a command to cast a random pet, now that they're all spells; |
| 19:54.32 | Fisker- | A: "Cool idea!" We'll likely see it soon. |
| 19:54.34 | Fisker- | aha! |
| 19:54.37 | Fisker- | Confirmation! |
| 19:54.43 | Fisker- | (Was suggested on EU months ago) |
| 19:54.48 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: ui design and game design overlap a lot :p |
| 19:54.48 | Fisker- | dun dun dun |
| 19:54.51 | foxlit | Doesn't it work already? |
| 19:55.00 | Syzgyn | Fisker-: Good, saves me from having to write my own. |
| 19:55.00 | Industrial | IM TRIPPIN BALLS |
| 19:55.02 | foxlit | I mean, /castrandom Pet Spell Name; Pet Spell Name; blah blah blah |
| 19:55.25 | nevcairiel | foxlit: try fitting 50 pets in one macro |
| 19:55.30 | Fisker- | I think they rather want something along the lines of /Justcastagoddamnrandompetinsteadofallthatfuckingbullshitwith500000characetersinamacro |
| 19:55.33 | Fisker- | If you know what i mean |
| 19:55.45 | Kraps | ZorbaBeta: http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/10/blizzcon-2008-ui-panel-liveblog/ |
| 19:55.57 | ZorbaBeta | thanks :) |
| 19:56.03 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: kennel, imo. :p |
| 19:56.04 | Syzgyn | Industrial: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=260 |
| 19:56.05 | foxlit | nevcairiel: Might just fit :) |
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| 19:56.17 | foxlit | (in the 1023 char limit for RunMacro) |
| 19:56.18 | nevcairiel | foxlit: could do it with a /script |
| 19:56.24 | nevcairiel | CallCompanion etc |
| 19:56.26 | foxlit | Yeah, yeah, but that'd be cheating. :) |
| 19:57.10 | Industrial | Syzgyn: rofl |
| 19:57.26 | jaxdahl2 | why would it be cheating? |
| 19:58.08 | nevcairiel | because not every l.user that can do macros can do it =P |
| 19:58.24 | foxlit | Might not be the meaning of cheating that you're used to :) |
| 19:58.51 | Syzgyn | Frankly, I'd much more prefer sorted mounts than a random pet call |
| 19:58.58 | Kraps | "Omen can be much more accurate now, for example." ZOMG FAIL |
| 19:59.10 | nevcairiel | fail? |
| 19:59.12 | nevcairiel | its truth |
| 19:59.17 | duke1 | hey guys, small question |
| 19:59.17 | duke1 | I have used AceConfig-3.0 to add an option panel for my addon (LibStub("AceConfigDialog-3.0"):AddToBlizOptions ) and it shows up just fine |
| 19:59.17 | duke1 | I have also properly defined set and get in the options table, but neither gets called from the blizz account settings dialogue |
| 19:59.17 | duke1 | is there anything I could be forgetting?^ |
| 19:59.37 | nevcairiel | duke1: probably :P |
| 19:59.44 | Kraps | why cant they make theyre own damn meter? |
| 19:59.47 | Syzgyn | duke1: ask in #wowace maybe |
| 20:00.04 | nevcairiel | Kraps: because they want it to be organic, and not fixed on numbers |
| 20:00.11 | nevcairiel | Kraps: dont you listen to the stream? |
| 20:00.18 | Kraps | where? |
| 20:00.41 | nevcairiel | http://media2.wcradio.com:8000/listen.pls |
| 20:00.44 | NeoTron | wtf: "Casters can wand while casting. We have autoshot now?" |
| 20:00.45 | jaxdahl2 | why spend their time doing something when the community can do it for them and they can do something that works 95% of the time for everyone else's uses? |
| 20:00.48 | duke1 | will try, thanks |
| 20:01.13 | *** part/#wowuidev duke1 (n=Duke@chello084113137160.3.13.vie.surfer.at) |
| 20:01.40 | jaxdahl2 | NeoTron, isn't that really a reference to wanding being taken off the GCD? you can cast anytime after you start wanding? |
| 20:01.41 | Kraps | nevcairiel: it times out |
| 20:01.57 | Fisker- | Tseric would probably be a great bouncer @ Blizzcon Q&A sessions |
| 20:02.01 | NeoTron | jaxdahl2: no clue, I just read the liveblog posted above |
| 20:02.17 | foxlit | It's wowinsider's commentary |
| 20:02.28 | nevcairiel | panel over :( |
| 20:02.32 | Xinhuan | woo, wow arena tourny is about to start |
| 20:02.42 | Fisker- | fail |
| 20:02.50 | foxlit | If you haven't noticed yet, they suck at expressing themselves. |
| 20:02.54 | Xinhuan | http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/video/stream-wow.xml |
| 20:02.56 | Kraps | nevcairiel: WHERE? |
| 20:02.59 | Xinhuan | GO HAFU |
| 20:03.00 | ZorbaBeta | man I can't wait for the dual spec thing |
| 20:03.02 | nevcairiel | main stream |
| 20:03.10 | nevcairiel | www.wcradio.com |
| 20:03.23 | foxlit | speedy is win, though |
| 20:03.23 | Fisker- | Hope someone has teh balls to ask when they're fixing holy >:3 |
| 20:03.24 | Kraps | WTB LINK |
| 20:03.26 | Kraps | jk |
| 20:03.41 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: you wouldnt like the answer =P |
| 20:03.50 | Fisker- | Of course not |
| 20:04.13 | NightHawkTheSane | the answer is "we're actually planning on nerfing it further into the ground, because we hate Fisker-" |
| 20:04.19 | Fisker- | Indeed |
| 20:04.45 | Kraps | nevcairiel: the one with the stupid ad? |
| 20:05.10 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 20:05.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: next panels dont start till 1:30, so its just ads/music/whatever on the stream i believe |
| 20:05.19 | Lunessa | They're adding code to login IfUnitIsPlayerFisker- then NERF, NERF, NERG, DIAF end |
| 20:05.31 | NightHawkTheSane | nerg? |
| 20:05.37 | Kraps | 25 min cd |
| 20:05.40 | Lunessa | typo. STFU |
| 20:05.42 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm guessing the stream is gonna be silly songs till the class panel begins |
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| 20:08.24 | schnoggo | Looking at saved vars... I gotta ask: MISTER_SPARKLE? |
| 20:08.55 | Fisker- | gargle that |
| 20:13.01 | Dashkal | damnit. sc2 gameplay vs warcraft art |
| 20:13.12 | Dashkal | this schedule makes me want to kick something |
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| 20:15.35 | Kraps | Warbringer is teh insanity |
| 20:15.41 | Syzgyn | Question: Did the wowace wiki go poof with the transition? |
| 20:16.14 | NightHawkTheSane | old.wowace.com/wiki, i think? |
| 20:16.36 | Syzgyn | ~NightHawkTheSane++ |
| 20:16.40 | |pez| | If anyone of you ever saw Pingu in your early years... this is for you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx8uNIAqMiA |
| 20:16.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: also, #wowace is probably the best place to ask that :) |
| 20:17.05 | Syzgyn | I just wanted to know if the api stuff was gone or not |
| 20:17.08 | Syzgyn | its not :) |
| 20:20.32 | schnoggo | what's url for the wow release diffs? Are they diffing the beta releqases? |
| 20:20.39 | NightHawkTheSane | wowcompares.com |
| 20:20.45 | schnoggo | ty |
| 20:22.19 | devXero | is anyone aware of a location to grab the arena team graphics? |
| 20:23.04 | Syzgyn | devXero: the addon kit extractor? |
| 20:23.16 | devXero | doh! |
| 20:23.21 | devXero | I didn't even think about that, thanks :) |
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| 20:23.55 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.37 | Syzgyn | Hm, that'd be nice to have |
| 20:24.51 | Syzgyn | There'd be a shitton though |
| 20:24.53 | NeoTron | yep |
| 20:25.22 | schnoggo | they are all on wowwiki (at least that looked complete) |
| 20:25.44 | schnoggo | oh "and graphics" - not sure about that |
| 20:25.44 | Syzgyn | The spell icons are, mostly |
| 20:25.50 | Syzgyn | not the UI textures afaik |
| 20:25.54 | schnoggo | sounds are |
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| 20:27.30 | foxlit | Meh |
| 20:27.38 | foxlit | How can you search graphics? :) |
| 20:27.50 | foxlit | "it sort of looks like this"? |
| 20:27.53 | Syzgyn | lol, true |
| 20:28.04 | Syzgyn | You could sort by what files they're used in |
| 20:28.19 | Syzgyn | maybe part of the name if you wanna guess |
| 20:28.20 | devXero | yeah, that would be easy enough to do |
| 20:28.29 | foxlit | UIKit frame directory structure sort of does that already |
| 20:28.30 | NeoTron | foxlit: categorized and tagged :P |
| 20:28.39 | devXero | from what I've seen a lot of images are multi use |
| 20:28.48 | foxlit | too much work :) |
| 20:29.05 | Syzgyn | it'd still be very useful though :)( |
| 20:29.09 | Syzgyn | :) |
| 20:29.17 | foxlit | (blatant self-promotion and elitism: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9011-BLPLook.html ) |
| 20:29.17 | NeoTron | I was just thinking about it because I wanted find appropriate sound effects to use for GravBlox |
| 20:29.34 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 blplooks |
| 20:29.35 | NightHawkTheSane | -s |
| 20:29.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm going to have to give qwest an angry call |
| 20:29.57 | Syzgyn | Oooh nifty |
| 20:30.05 | Syzgyn | but, I dont have an intel mac :( |
| 20:30.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm getting weird lag, latency, and all kinds of silly internet hiccups today |
| 20:30.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: well, there's your first problem :) |
| 20:30.27 | Syzgyn | I've got a PPC mac |
| 20:30.39 | devXero | <3 Octo Core |
| 20:30.54 | NeoTron | I want a Core i7 based mac |
| 20:31.14 | devXero | I've pretty much banned myself from buying anything else after spending on this beast |
| 20:31.14 | kneeki | I want a Corei7 =( |
| 20:31.47 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: did you ever figure out what it was that was making it fail on ppcs? |
| 20:32.11 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: in general, the code :) |
| 20:32.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart foxlit |
| 20:32.17 | purl | takes foxlit to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 20:32.23 | schnoggo | on a PPc right now, but the laptop is Pro. Lusting mightily for an 8-core i7 |
| 20:32.29 | Kraps | isnt the class panel supposed to start? |
| 20:32.50 | Syzgyn | Very soon I'm sure |
| 20:32.51 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed, Kraps |
| 20:32.54 | foxlit | I need a PPC machine to test on, really. |
| 20:33.10 | Syzgyn | Or, write it for windows :P |
| 20:33.36 | foxlit | Syzgyn: You port QuickLook and NextStep to windows, and we'll talk :) |
| 20:33.41 | Kraps | the music on now isnt bad |
| 20:33.41 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 20:34.00 | foxlit | I wonder if there's a way to force execution through Rosetta |
| 20:34.37 | Arrowmaster | so theres already been a ui panel right? |
| 20:34.48 | Syzgyn | I know jack shit about windows or osx development |
| 20:34.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 20:35.11 | foxlit | Actually, it's probably possible to do for windows |
| 20:36.15 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: wasnt all that good really |
| 20:36.39 | Syzgyn | foxlit: write a windows app that will find all the spell icons in the MPQs and mass convert them |
| 20:36.42 | Syzgyn | <3 |
| 20:36.42 | foxlit | Curious story, really - as I was troubleshooting explorer crashes, some of the blog posts were actually relevant towards registering thumbnail handlers |
| 20:37.00 | foxlit | Syzgyn: uikit will extract them, you can already batch blp2png on windows |
| 20:37.20 | Syzgyn | Huh, I didnt realize the ui kit did those too |
| 20:37.30 | Syzgyn | I've never used it for the art part, just the code :P |
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| 20:38.44 | Arrowmaster | ugg watching that wizard game play video.... |
| 20:38.55 | Arrowmaster | not even half way yet and i gota stop it |
| 20:39.49 | Arrowmaster | watching the same unknown spell being used for over half of it so far is not very entertaining |
| 20:40.30 | NightHawkTheSane | and yet, when you mindlessly click that same spell over and over, for an hour, it's a great game! |
| 20:40.48 | Kraps | starting! |
| 20:40.55 | Arrowmaster | nah i play a warlock, im mostly bored of raiding |
| 20:41.16 | Arrowmaster | and we have one more raid night to kill muru before 3.0 apparently |
| 20:41.29 | Kraps | lololololol |
| 20:41.34 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:41.55 | Kraps | frikkin awesome |
| 20:42.11 | NightHawkTheSane | gc wins. |
| 20:42.16 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 20:42.18 | Kraps | ya |
| 20:42.18 | Arrowmaster | whats going on? |
| 20:42.24 | nevcairiel | GC is talking on class panel |
| 20:42.28 | Kraps | http://www.wcradio.com:8000/listen.pls |
| 20:42.39 | Kraps | or http://www.wcradio.com/schedule.php# |
| 20:42.43 | foxlit | ah, awesome. |
| 20:42.44 | Dashkal | ok, was out. "3:41PM Huge round of applause for Ghostcrawler." |
| 20:42.51 | foxlit | I can compile for PPC, then run it on intel. |
| 20:42.51 | Dashkal | So which is GC, male or female? |
| 20:42.55 | nevcairiel | male |
| 20:42.56 | NightHawkTheSane | male. :p |
| 20:43.02 | Dashkal | that him speaking? |
| 20:43.05 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 20:43.06 | nevcairiel | ya |
| 20:43.10 | Dashkal | alrighty |
| 20:43.30 | Syzgyn | Why did the whole forums think he was female for a while? |
| 20:43.35 | nevcairiel | no idea |
| 20:43.37 | Dashkal | someone assumed and it took off |
| 20:43.41 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 20:43.42 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 20:43.48 | NightHawkTheSane | a few "slip ups" in terms of people referring to gc as her |
| 20:43.49 | Kraps | forums suck |
| 20:43.55 | Dashkal | I just used "she" as a handy pronoun |
| 20:44.05 | nevcairiel | he had a comment about that when he came up |
| 20:44.22 | Dashkal | "3:41PM Greg: "There is a rumor on the forums that I'm a hot chick. You now know it's true!"" |
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| 20:44.41 | sb | Dashkal: where is that transcript coming from? |
| 20:44.47 | Arrowmaster | no we cant see it! |
| 20:44.50 | Dashkal | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/10/blizzcon-2008-class-panel-liveblog/ |
| 20:45.09 | foxlit | "65536x65536 image, compression mode 10, alpha 0" |
| 20:46.16 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=7555625&sid=2000 10 posts "GC is a dude" in less than 30 seconds |
| 20:46.25 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 20:47.41 | clad|away | anyone have a link to the UI panel info |
| 20:47.42 | clad|away | ? |
| 20:48.02 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/10/blizzcon-2008-ui-panel-liveblog/ |
| 20:48.17 | Kraps | ouch |
| 20:48.31 | Kraps | hunter quasi-zing |
| 20:48.32 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what everybody was laughing at |
| 20:48.42 | Kraps | the hunter thing |
| 20:48.48 | Arrowmaster | i know but what |
| 20:48.55 | Kraps | new players |
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| 20:49.21 | Arrowmaster | i purchased the directv coverage twice and cant watch it since i dont have directv! |
| 20:49.28 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:49.51 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: how did you do that without a dtv account? |
| 20:49.53 | Fisker- | OMG GC LIED TO US ETC. |
| 20:50.05 | Kraps | Fisker-: why? |
| 20:50.13 | Arrowmaster | kagaro: i know 2 people that have directv that purchased it and ill pay them back for it |
| 20:50.13 | Fisker- | 3:40PM Greg is the lead game system designer - he's Ghostcrawler! |
| 20:50.18 | kagaro | Arrowmaster: ahh |
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| 20:50.27 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: you're slow |
| 20:50.36 | kagaro | hahah getting booed about shadow priest changes |
| 20:50.47 | Syzgyn | Rofl |
| 20:50.49 | cbreak | wasn't the leading game designer that evil "Mages do 8x the damage they should" guy? |
| 20:50.50 | Fisker- | watching starcraft |
| 20:50.50 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, this class panel would be a lot nicer if they got rid of the audience |
| 20:50.53 | Dashkal | and immediately cheered for the DPS buff |
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| 20:51.19 | kneeki | Has anything been announced about the dual specs thing yet? |
| 20:51.20 | sb | lol SP dps :p |
| 20:51.27 | kagaro | managing hunter shots too timing intensive, then make vt proc off of mind blast |
| 20:52.21 | Dashkal | For alli... NE priests just became godly... |
| 20:52.31 | Dashkal | Shadowmeld |
| 20:52.32 | nevcairiel | because of the shadowmeld? |
| 20:52.42 | cladhaire | NightHawkTheSane: thanks mate :P |
| 20:52.51 | nevcairiel | shadowmeld still doesnt reset your aggro |
| 20:52.54 | nevcairiel | just hides you for a while |
| 20:52.57 | Dashkal | It's a last second escape |
| 20:53.01 | Dashkal | wipe protection |
| 20:53.16 | kagaro | draenie dash .. racial hit |
| 20:53.20 | nevcairiel | aggro shouldnt be that problematic |
| 20:53.26 | nevcairiel | in 3.0 |
| 20:53.31 | Syzgyn | Rofl@druids |
| 20:53.47 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:53.50 | Kraps | zomlol |
| 20:53.59 | Dashkal | oomkin :p |
| 20:54.20 | Syzgyn | Hahah |
| 20:54.39 | Arrowmaster | where the pillar humping joke |
| 20:54.47 | Syzgyn | Wait for it |
| 20:54.50 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 20:54.53 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 20:54.56 | Kraps | shots a rogues |
| 20:54.56 | Dashkal | rofl |
| 20:55.10 | nevcairiel | yay for rez |
| 20:55.19 | Syzgyn | heh |
| 20:55.22 | Kraps | i know, crazy |
| 20:55.25 | kagaro | they should have always had the ooc rez |
| 20:55.32 | Syzgyn | Bulllllshit |
| 20:55.44 | Syzgyn | 'you can tank just not as good as a warrior' |
| 20:55.56 | cbreak | who? |
| 20:55.58 | Syzgyn | druids |
| 20:56.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: well that was the intent, ceertainly not how it turned out |
| 20:56.16 | Syzgyn | thats what he was saying it was/is like |
| 20:56.17 | nevcairiel | Syzgyn: warriors could tank everything, druids not, because of required shit like spell reflect, blocking, etc |
| 20:56.18 | Dashkal | This is a change I've wanted forever. I can go pure tank or pure DPS |
| 20:56.38 | Syzgyn | nevcairiel: yes, but aside from the niche fights it wasnt like the 2 werent very, very close |
| 20:57.15 | Syzgyn | My mage is resto |
| 20:57.16 | jaxdahl2 | not really hearing anything we've already known |
| 20:57.18 | End | I used to play a druid, a long time ago |
| 20:57.18 | Dashkal | hex was long overdue |
| 20:57.35 | cbreak | what's hex? |
| 20:57.40 | Dashkal | shaman cc |
| 20:57.41 | kagaro | hex imho should have been a troll racial priest spell |
| 20:57.44 | Syzgyn | shammy poly |
| 20:57.46 | cbreak | oh, an other enemy heal |
| 20:57.52 | Kraps | lol |
| 20:57.52 | Syzgyn | no heal |
| 20:57.55 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 20:57.56 | jaxdahl2 | it's not a sheep |
| 20:57.56 | End | cooldown though |
| 20:58.03 | cbreak | .... sheep is still better. |
| 20:58.08 | End | yeah, sheep is |
| 20:58.09 | Syzgyn | no one is arguing that |
| 20:58.09 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: vastly. |
| 20:58.10 | Kraps | YEAH!!! |
| 20:58.15 | Syzgyn | YEA! |
| 20:58.19 | End | YUH! |
| 20:58.33 | Syzgyn | Unf |
| 20:58.35 | nevcairiel | what did i miss? |
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| 20:58.37 | End | MUF! |
| 20:58.40 | Syzgyn | Warrior time :P |
| 20:59.00 | Syzgyn | We're not gonna get anything new out of this panel yet are we |
| 20:59.13 | nevcairiel | probably not, but its a nice summary and explanation |
| 20:59.14 | Syzgyn | They're just going over all the stuff we know already |
| 20:59.19 | Syzgyn | granted |
| 20:59.27 | Dashkal | Of course. We've been playing all this |
| 20:59.52 | nevcairiel | they are mostly done with class design |
| 21:00.02 | Syzgyn | Hahahaha |
| 21:00.03 | Kraps | booing tg |
| 21:00.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: this is more the "official overview & summary" for plebs who don't really read forums, blogs, etc. |
| 21:00.12 | Syzgyn | Yeah |
| 21:00.20 | nevcairiel | booing locks, hah |
| 21:00.32 | Castigo | is there any known bugs on beta regarding TimeManagerClockButton? |
| 21:01.04 | Castigo | the frame seems to be created AFTER the addon is created |
| 21:01.06 | Dashkal | GC mocking shadowbolt spam |
| 21:01.24 | End | shadowbolt spam deserves to be mocked |
| 21:01.27 | End | I hate it |
| 21:01.31 | cbreak | frostbolt! |
| 21:01.41 | nevcairiel | what are they cheering now? |
| 21:01.44 | Syzgyn | No idea |
| 21:01.48 | Syzgyn | Pallies |
| 21:01.50 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:01.51 | Kraps | pally!!! |
| 21:01.52 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 21:01.56 | Syzgyn | Hah |
| 21:01.56 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 21:01.58 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:01.59 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 21:02.02 | Arrowmaster | lmao |
| 21:02.02 | Dashkal | solo ony :p |
| 21:02.06 | Syzgyn | so can droods! |
| 21:02.09 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh, my stream is a bit behind >< |
| 21:02.16 | Arrowmaster | that first druid cheated |
| 21:02.17 | Castigo | Arrowmaster do u know anything about it? |
| 21:02.18 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: too big cache :P |
| 21:02.20 | NeoTron | ahaha. Ghostcrawler is a dood! |
| 21:02.23 | Arrowmaster | Castigo: about what? |
| 21:02.32 | Castigo | about TimeManagerClockButton bugs on beta |
| 21:02.35 | NeoTron | just find all the posts referring to GC as a she to be funny |
| 21:02.35 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 21:02.41 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: more like qwest being losers |
| 21:02.43 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: The stream is a few minutes behind live |
| 21:02.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Thelyna (n=burp@122-57-255-32.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 21:02.49 | nevcairiel | bacon! |
| 21:02.54 | Syzgyn | The liveblogging is a little ahead of it |
| 21:03.20 | Syzgyn | Hahah |
| 21:05.33 | Dashkal | Bloodlust... |
| 21:05.48 | Syzgyn | Damnit Jimmy! |
| 21:05.50 | Fisker- | 4:04PM "Jimmy can't come -> No Wind Furry -> Cancel the raid" They want to remove that. |
| 21:05.52 | Fisker- | Furries? |
| 21:05.54 | Fisker- | In my raid? |
| 21:05.56 | Fisker- | Do not want |
| 21:06.42 | NeoTron | not any furry though. a wind furry |
| 21:07.15 | Dashkal | skill > class. I'll cheer to that one |
| 21:07.33 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: i cheerd for that so often already :) |
| 21:07.44 | Atriace | I need a WoWInterface admin. |
| 21:07.50 | Xinhuan | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/october/blizzcon/390903307.jpg |
| 21:07.52 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 21:07.56 | Xinhuan | are those achievements real? |
| 21:08.10 | Dashkal | I'll cheer to that one too. gear + skill > potions / consumables |
| 21:08.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: i can barely read them |
| 21:08.23 | Xinhuan | try to |
| 21:08.33 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: looks like the real general tab, why? |
| 21:08.38 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 21:08.41 | Fisker- | orc vader >:E |
| 21:08.43 | Xinhuan | read the achievements |
| 21:08.44 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 21:08.50 | Xinhuan | "be a deserter in 10 battlegrounds" |
| 21:08.57 | Xinhuan | "get banned from 10 different guilds" |
| 21:09.11 | NightHawkTheSane | those have got to be jokes. |
| 21:09.18 | nevcairiel | i really dont read that there :P |
| 21:09.19 | Fisker- | also amount of money is impossible >:E |
| 21:09.21 | NeoTron | they should add negative achievements |
| 21:09.25 | NeoTron | they really should |
| 21:09.29 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 21:09.36 | End | 15000 achievement points? |
| 21:09.42 | End | at least I think that's 15k |
| 21:09.47 | Kraps | woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 21:09.49 | Kraps | !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:09.51 | Dashkal | YES |
| 21:09.51 | Syzgyn | Heh |
| 21:09.53 | nevcairiel | details, giev |
| 21:09.54 | NeoTron | "Guild Hopper: Has been a member in more than 10 guilds" |
| 21:09.54 | Dashkal | DUAL SPEC |
| 21:09.55 | End | Tigole has 99999 though |
| 21:09.58 | Syzgyn | Not for live :P |
| 21:10.06 | Syzgyn | release* |
| 21:10.06 | End | Don't mess with Tigole, he has more epeen points than you! |
| 21:10.08 | *** join/#wowuidev linear (n=lagger@haml-138.res.umass.edu) |
| 21:10.15 | Dashkal | IN RAID RESPEC |
| 21:10.18 | Syzgyn | easy eh? |
| 21:10.32 | Fisker- | That's pretty nice |
| 21:10.35 | cladhaire | still no live feed I'm assuming? |
| 21:10.36 | Fisker- | What i expected from blizzard |
| 21:10.41 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: only sound |
| 21:10.41 | Fisker- | 4:01PM Paladins now |
| 21:10.42 | Syzgyn | byebye moneysinks? |
| 21:10.48 | cladhaire | oh, there is sound? |
| 21:10.50 | Fisker- | 4:02PM GC: "Prot |
| 21:10.50 | cladhaire | where? |
| 21:10.53 | Fisker- | 4:02PM Ret tree |
| 21:10.57 | Fisker- | *ignore holy* |
| 21:10.58 | nevcairiel | http://www.wcradio.com/schedule.php |
| 21:11.01 | Fisker- | 4:03PM Group flexibility now. |
| 21:11.04 | Fisker- | good job >:3 |
| 21:11.06 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: they did holy |
| 21:11.12 | Dashkal | Still think that's neth there... |
| 21:11.13 | Fisker- | Not according to the live blog |
| 21:11.13 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 21:11.19 | Syzgyn | WTF? |
| 21:11.20 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: so listen :P |
| 21:11.22 | Dashkal | Someone ask about dual specs / glyphs |
| 21:11.23 | Fisker- | nevers |
| 21:11.35 | Syzgyn | Dual gear sets not taking up inv room? PFT |
| 21:11.40 | Syzgyn | Suck it up like the rest of us |
| 21:12.33 | Dashkal | aff to be raid viable |
| 21:12.41 | Kraps | Syzgyn: sorry, need my bag space |
| 21:12.42 | Arrowmaster | somebody needs to ask about debuff count |
| 21:13.00 | Fisker- | no |
| 21:13.01 | Fisker- | never |
| 21:13.07 | Fisker- | Ask about holy paladins and blessings |
| 21:13.08 | Syzgyn | I have 3 sets of gear at all times and still have plenty of bag space :P |
| 21:13.27 | NeoTron | main reason I'm liking my new main (DK) - no soul shards, no ammo |
| 21:13.34 | Fisker- | Sometimes their logic fails to apply to themselves >:3 |
| 21:13.42 | Syzgyn | Hahaha Booing lock pets |
| 21:13.50 | Kraps | i need netherweave bags |
| 21:14.01 | Syzgyn | ... |
| 21:14.03 | Fisker- | 4:09PM "You might have noticed that tank threat is higher then it used to be. We want to make fights about healing and moving around. We don't want it to be about a threat game anymore." |
| 21:14.04 | End | My sack is gigantique |
| 21:14.09 | Syzgyn | I've got full 22s now |
| 21:14.11 | Fisker- | Why shift the problem rather than fix it? >:3 |
| 21:14.12 | Syzgyn | stop being cheap :P |
| 21:14.19 | Kraps | lol im not |
| 21:14.42 | Kraps | i just realized today i could afford them :p |
| 21:14.43 | Syzgyn | You are if you dont have at least 16 slot bags |
| 21:14.58 | Syzgyn | or whatever they are |
| 21:14.59 | Syzgyn | 18s |
| 21:15.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i still don't have full 18s in my banks.. |
| 21:15.25 | NightHawkTheSane | mostly because im too lazy to farm the silk |
| 21:15.45 | Dashkal | ferals: Looking at the mana issue. They don't want us to have to stack int for shifting mana |
| 21:15.59 | NightHawkTheSane | isnt ths alreaady addressed with the new lotp? |
| 21:16.13 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: not well enough |
| 21:16.31 | NightHawkTheSane | meh. it's fine in pve. pvpers can diaf, for all i care |
| 21:16.35 | nevcairiel | suck it mages =P |
| 21:16.35 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 21:16.42 | Arrowmaster | i thought mages got a big dps increase? |
| 21:16.47 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, that panel is full of QQ |
| 21:16.47 | Arrowmaster | because of frostfire bolt |
| 21:16.53 | Syzgyn | Rofl |
| 21:16.57 | Syzgyn | Respec table! |
| 21:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: did you expect anything less? |
| 21:17.05 | Kraps | panels getting hammered |
| 21:17.06 | Keias | FFB got a fat nerf when they removed Double Dipping. |
| 21:17.15 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 21:17.23 | Syzgyn | 4500 dps is reasonable now? |
| 21:17.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah i guess they couldnt leave double dipping in because they would turn into what warlocks used to be, too much % stacking |
| 21:17.49 | Dashkal | 4500 O.o I figured that kind of number would be icecrown level... |
| 21:17.59 | End | I think 3k is what your supposed to be at |
| 21:18.01 | Fisker- | so nevcairiel what did they say about holy ? |
| 21:18.04 | End | you're* |
| 21:18.08 | Atriace | ~seen ckknight |
| 21:18.12 | purl | ckknight is currently on #waruidev (7h 1m 8s) #norganna (7h 1m 8s) #wowuidev (7h 1m 8s) #wowace (7h 1m 8s) #curseforge (7h 1m 8s). Has said a total of 113 messages. Is idling for 7m 1s, last said: 'curse.com or curseforge?'. |
| 21:18.12 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: dunno, didnt listen |
| 21:18.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@78.151.178.60) |
| 21:18.13 | Fisker- | "Fuck you, if you don't have enough haste to heal while running, gtfo?" |
| 21:18.18 | ckknight | I'm right here |
| 21:18.20 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:18.23 | End | ckknight: lies |
| 21:18.24 | jaxdahl2 | 4500 is pretty extreme.. that's loatheb/thaddius level almost |
| 21:18.27 | Xinhuan | well ppl can already reach 3k on live |
| 21:18.29 | kagaro | so 4500 dps is good for mages in naxx, but didnt they say a while back 2500 as a good number for all dps specs? |
| 21:18.32 | ckknight | End: cake? |
| 21:18.34 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: i told you earlier, if it goes by me, pallys can diaf :P |
| 21:18.36 | End | yes |
| 21:18.37 | End | cake! |
| 21:18.48 | Dashkal | living bomb buff coming |
| 21:18.51 | Xinhuan | so dps in beta can't be less than 3k at lvl 80 |
| 21:18.57 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 21:19.12 | NeoTron | jaxdahl2: in your experience, do DK's put out 4500 DPS in single target situations? |
| 21:19.25 | Arrowmaster | wtb questions on debuff limits and warlock spirit |
| 21:19.31 | jaxdahl2 | NeoTron, no. |
| 21:19.40 | NightHawkTheSane | wtb questions that aren't idiots whining. :p |
| 21:19.41 | Fisker- | WTB questions on blessings and holy paladins >:3 |
| 21:19.49 | nevcairiel | only rogues did 4500 when their poisons were bugged |
| 21:19.50 | Kraps | debuff limits? |
| 21:19.51 | Fisker- | Indeed |
| 21:20.02 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I've seen SWS parses with hunters breaking that kind of dps |
| 21:20.11 | nevcairiel | hunters were bugged for a while too, heh |
| 21:20.14 | Syzgyn | Give warriors another button to him :( |
| 21:20.18 | Syzgyn | fury* |
| 21:20.19 | NeoTron | that's most recent builds though |
| 21:20.26 | NeoTron | after explosive shot balancing |
| 21:20.28 | jaxdahl2 | NeoTron, 3800 on patchwerk recently, unholy |
| 21:20.38 | jaxdahl2 | surv hunters 5300-5800dps |
| 21:20.40 | NeoTron | is that comparable to other classes or, say, a lot less? |
| 21:20.48 | jaxdahl2 | http://jax2.zenblue.net/sws6/sws-patchwerk-1223517635/index.html |
| 21:20.52 | nevcairiel | they mentioned something about an exploit with re-equiping weapons that poisoned data |
| 21:21.24 | jaxdahl2 | nevcairiel, http://jax2.zenblue.net/sws3/sws-illidan-1223114910/index.html is an example of poisoned data :p |
| 21:21.45 | Arrowmaster | theres always an itemswaping to increase stats unbelievably high on any ptr/beta |
| 21:21.48 | Arrowmaster | always! |
| 21:21.59 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: mine always went down =( |
| 21:22.14 | Arrowmaster | my friend did it on a remade rogue on murmur |
| 21:22.18 | Arrowmaster | premade |
| 21:22.21 | ZorbaBeta | you'd think on beta they'd have some doublechecking of consistency |
| 21:22.31 | ZorbaBeta | or, hell, just recalculate the character stats from scratch every time equipment is changed |
| 21:22.32 | NeoTron | jaxdahl2: solo illidan? heh |
| 21:22.37 | ZorbaBeta | it's not like adding up stats is difficult |
| 21:22.43 | jaxdahl2 | NeoTron, i soloed black temple |
| 21:22.56 | NeoTron | hawt |
| 21:22.58 | Syzgyn | Mana shield with no limit? |
| 21:23.00 | jaxdahl2 | as a DK. see if you can figure out how i soloed Reliquary of Souls |
| 21:23.08 | nevcairiel | out-dps =P |
| 21:23.08 | Syzgyn | whats wrong with just hitting the button again |
| 21:23.16 | Arrowmaster | jaxdahl: using any exploits/bugs? |
| 21:23.21 | jaxdahl2 | Arrowmaster, yes |
| 21:23.26 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, what? |
| 21:23.26 | nevcairiel | item-stacking |
| 21:23.39 | NightHawkTheSane | sheep as the poor mans polymorph? is that guy fucking retarded, like Fisker- or something? |
| 21:23.43 | Fisker- | I wonder if they drag people with paladin questions out back and shoot them? >:E |
| 21:23.49 | jaxdahl2 | i had to have a specific talent to solo reliquary of souls |
| 21:24.07 | NeoTron | jaxdahl2: really? not sufficient to kill in a few hits? |
| 21:24.10 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: sheeps are boring, get a turtle imho |
| 21:24.14 | End | I wonder if RoS eats rune power with his soul scream |
| 21:24.23 | jaxdahl2 | phase 2 - you get 50% of the damage you deal dealt back to you |
| 21:24.26 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: entirely aside the point :p |
| 21:24.28 | NeoTron | ahaha right |
| 21:24.41 | jaxdahl2 | End, i didn't give it a chance to soul scream me, so i don't know what would happen in that case |
| 21:24.46 | End | ah |
| 21:24.56 | Arrowmaster | jaxdahl: but your a deathknight.... |
| 21:25.01 | jaxdahl2 | http://jax2.zenblue.net/sws3/sws-ros-1223112307/index.html |
| 21:25.03 | Syzgyn | Hah |
| 21:25.05 | jaxdahl2 | Arrowmaster, yeah? |
| 21:25.12 | Arrowmaster | you heal too right |
| 21:25.22 | jaxdahl2 | yes but the heal isn't instant |
| 21:25.29 | Arrowmaster | ROFL |
| 21:25.40 | Dashkal | "Kill someone in moonkin for without looking like a little girl" |
| 21:25.43 | Arrowmaster | omg |
| 21:26.13 | NeoTron | you turned into a ghoul perhaps? |
| 21:26.13 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: running like a little girl :P |
| 21:26.13 | jaxdahl2 | NeoTron, yep |
| 21:26.13 | Dashkal | too funny |
| 21:26.16 | NeoTron | so you keep all your stats |
| 21:26.16 | Arrowmaster | "Well the running thing is kinda built into the animation so youll have to talk to the animators about that" |
| 21:26.19 | kagaro | wtb spriest vt changes question |
| 21:26.23 | Dashkal | Glyph/Respec... |
| 21:26.23 | jaxdahl2 | i had about 10 seconds to spare before my ghoul ran out in phase 3 |
| 21:26.29 | Dashkal | please |
| 21:26.38 | jaxdahl2 | i had to kill the ghosts between phase 2 and 3 really fast |
| 21:26.39 | Dashkal | nope |
| 21:26.41 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: more QA tomorrow |
| 21:26.48 | Dashkal | I' |
| 21:26.51 | Dashkal | I'll miss that |
| 21:26.56 | Dashkal | Canadian Thanksgiving. Busy all weekend |
| 21:28.05 | Dashkal | "Don't nerf me, bro!" |
| 21:28.08 | End | Bibi: Lua is not an acronym ;-p |
| 21:28.17 | End | </krka> |
| 21:28.19 | NightHawkTheSane | wow, that was almost a respectably decent ret question |
| 21:28.22 | End | or was it Kaso |
| 21:28.23 | End | LUA |
| 21:28.25 | krka | End: Whenever someone writes Lua in upper case, god kills a kitten. :( |
| 21:28.27 | NightHawkTheSane | End: krka |
| 21:28.29 | End | yeah, it was krka |
| 21:28.30 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 21:28.32 | Neuro_Medivh | Canada has thanksgiving? What are they thankful for, that they aren't american? |
| 21:28.42 | NeoTron | for sure |
| 21:28.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i know i would be |
| 21:28.51 | NeoTron | clearly, it's lUa |
| 21:28.53 | Bibi | if EUR keeps crashing and USD keeps going up |
| 21:28.54 | Dashkal | damn, no DS/Glyph question |
| 21:29.00 | Bibi | I'm going to start Thanksgiving in France as well. |
| 21:29.01 | Dashkal | Maybe in the raid panel |
| 21:29.07 | End | :o |
| 21:29.21 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: Sure, that works :p |
| 21:30.43 | kagaro | repsec mid raid via the spec changes .. interesting |
| 21:30.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Doow (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doow) |
| 21:30.57 | kagaro | err the dual spec thing |
| 21:30.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i hope they dont allow that. |
| 21:31.00 | jaxdahl2 | kagaro, source? |
| 21:31.05 | Syzgyn | seriously |
| 21:31.08 | kagaro | GC just now |
| 21:31.08 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: they just said they want to |
| 21:31.09 | NeoTron | 4:30PM Q: "Did I hear you right? We can switch specs in raids?" A: "Yes." |
| 21:31.12 | Dashkal | Well my druid will be damn simple. Spec her both Tank and DPS and call i tgood |
| 21:31.15 | Lunessa | Man the Lick King Cinematic is so choice. |
| 21:31.16 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: change spec MID RAID? |
| 21:31.21 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: ya |
| 21:31.22 | NeoTron | ^^^ |
| 21:31.27 | Neuro_Medivh | GC is a dude isn't he? |
| 21:31.27 | End | you'll have to be out of combat though I think |
| 21:31.28 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i must have missed that. i think it's a terribad idea |
| 21:31.33 | Syzgyn | He is |
| 21:31.35 | Arrowmaster | anybody else find this ad offensive? |
| 21:31.40 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: between bosses, so to speak |
| 21:31.41 | Neuro_Medivh | lol @ all those people who flirted with 'her' |
| 21:31.47 | Syzgyn | heh yea |
| 21:31.52 | NeoTron | Lunessa: dude. "The Lick King" sounds like something X-rated! |
| 21:31.57 | End | my idea was anywhere you were resting (so inns are good to go), but I guess they don't want to restrict it at all |
| 21:32.06 | Neuro_Medivh | Someone should post pics of all the hot chicks at Blizzcon... shouldn't take up too much bandwidth! |
| 21:32.07 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: well, yeah. i'd like it to be cheap/free, but only available in towns, so to speak. like changing glyphs |
| 21:32.17 | NeoTron | End: that is not a restriction - hearth/port, respec, summon |
| 21:32.37 | Fisker- | I see what you did there Neuro_Medivh |
| 21:32.40 | nevcairiel | I won't respec in raids, but i'm already happy if i can spec feral for the weekend to tank 10mans without paying =P |
| 21:32.41 | End | no more than there is now |
| 21:32.49 | End | other than the cost |
| 21:32.51 | NeoTron | that's really a pointless mechanic that doesn't make it harder or less "ni-raid" |
| 21:32.56 | NeoTron | you waste 20s but that's it |
| 21:32.56 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: that's fine, though. that's already there for normal respecs |
| 21:33.14 | NeoTron | the point is to remove the cost I gather |
| 21:33.18 | Fisker- | I won't have to spec in raids, cause holy is useless, and ret is getting nerfed by popular demand, and tanking is boring wee |
| 21:33.23 | NeoTron | if the cost is removed wtf bother making hearth required? |
| 21:33.28 | Fisker- | I can spec gtfo our raids ;_; |
| 21:33.30 | NeoTron | Fisker-: QQ |
| 21:33.32 | End | well |
| 21:33.34 | Fisker- | indeed NeoTron ! |
| 21:33.35 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:33.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: it's a concerted plot to get you to cancel you're account |
| 21:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | your* |
| 21:33.40 | End | it'll still cost |
| 21:33.47 | End | if it isn't one of your primary specs |
| 21:34.03 | NeoTron | End: if the "spec swap" costs 50g, waht's the point exactly? |
| 21:34.04 | nevcairiel | yea but two to switch is better then only one |
| 21:34.04 | End | so I can go from pvp->pve or whatever freely |
| 21:34.18 | cbreak | switching specs in raids... |
| 21:34.25 | End | I never said the swap should cost gold |
| 21:34.27 | NeoTron | I am aware it would be switching between two predefined specs |
| 21:34.28 | End | and |
| 21:34.28 | cbreak | yay for three different dps specs... |
| 21:34.39 | End | I switch between more than two specs (QQ) |
| 21:34.43 | Fisker- | switching specs in raids isn't that useful |
| 21:34.44 | Dewin | I still want them to make it possible to set/unset talents and then have a button to confirm changes. |
| 21:34.47 | Dashkal | cbreak: PvE vs PvP |
| 21:34.58 | cbreak | I don't need a PvP spec |
| 21:34.59 | Dashkal | Fisker-: with the number of times I was used as an off-tank in Kara, I can see use |
| 21:35.00 | Neuro_Medivh | Fisker: of course it is |
| 21:35.00 | nevcairiel | Dewin: easy to do with addon =P |
| 21:35.06 | Fisker- | nah |
| 21:35.11 | Fisker- | Takes ~5 seconds |
| 21:35.12 | Dewin | nevcairiel: Only if you keep the addon updated with the talent trees? |
| 21:35.13 | End | For me, it's fun pvp vs practical pvp vs practical pve |
| 21:35.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: fuck pvp. raid vs solo :p |
| 21:35.19 | Lunessa | If you allow a respec "in-raid" while "in the instance" sooner or later people will whine for "in-combat" |
| 21:35.22 | End | er, I guess actually |
| 21:35.23 | Fisker- | Especially since you get spells when you get abilities through talents |
| 21:35.25 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: heh. My raid spec is often my solo spec. |
| 21:35.27 | nevcairiel | Dewin: nah you can pull that info directly from your char |
| 21:35.28 | End | For me, it's fun pvp or solo pve vs practical pvp vs practical pve |
| 21:35.33 | Fisker- | I'd rather save the money than save the 1 hour cooldown on hearthstone |
| 21:35.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: doesn't work that well for healers :) |
| 21:35.34 | Dashkal | DKs will change that what with pale horse |
| 21:35.40 | Dashkal | Very true |
| 21:35.50 | Dashkal | most classes can find _some_ use for it. Not all, but the use is there |
| 21:35.59 | NeoTron | End: there will still be required specs of course |
| 21:36.03 | nevcairiel | It doesnt have to be for raid use |
| 21:36.03 | Arrowmaster | you know i could see something like res sickness for a short time after spec switching |
| 21:36.11 | Arrowmaster | instead of just 'out of combat' |
| 21:36.12 | End | well |
| 21:36.14 | nevcairiel | you could just hit the "weekend now" button, and spec pvp or something |
| 21:36.28 | nevcairiel | without complicated talent distribution etc |
| 21:36.40 | Dashkal | My druid will probably be tank/dps, but could also go dps/pvp if I chose. It'll depend on what my DK is doing |
| 21:36.44 | Arrowmaster | since if you somehow got out of combat you could potentially abuse it if it was instant |
| 21:36.45 | End | I don't know what sort of specs I'll use come wrath |
| 21:36.51 | NeoTron | however if you're a warrior offtank and only need to tank on one fight (say kalecgos, but not brutallus, felmyst or twins) you can just hav tank for kal and then swap to dps for the rest of the night |
| 21:36.58 | End | I have an idea for raiding and solo |
| 21:37.05 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: i bet it needs some kind of scroll or something |
| 21:37.14 | Fisker- | So apparently patch on tuesday |
| 21:37.16 | nevcairiel | and wont work in arenas at all :P |
| 21:37.16 | End | but that might change |
| 21:37.17 | Fisker- | *cough cough* |
| 21:37.19 | cbreak | An engineering thing |
| 21:37.28 | cbreak | with a red flash. |
| 21:37.37 | Arrowmaster | a respec bot |
| 21:37.39 | nevcairiel | cbreak: didnt you hear, mage respec table! |
| 21:38.00 | cbreak | ... great... "Food so bad it makes you forget who you are" |
| 21:38.12 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:38.18 | nevcairiel | nice slogan, though =P |
| 21:38.23 | NightHawkTheSane | "Conjure: GHB" |
| 21:38.29 | cladhaire | Fisker-: says who? |
| 21:38.38 | cbreak | it would be fun to have a mind wipe spell |
| 21:38.41 | nevcairiel | rumors! |
| 21:38.50 | cladhaire | fuck rumors |
| 21:38.50 | cbreak | cool in pvp... oh, a moonkin... <mindwipe>. |
| 21:38.54 | NightHawkTheSane | rumors was a good album |
| 21:38.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi` (n=Bibi@AVelizy-151-1-55-104.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:38.59 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Bibi`] by ChanServ |
| 21:39.10 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: some bluepost said content patch on same day as arena season end, and that was announced for 14th .. so the rumor still stands |
| 21:39.20 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 21:39.24 | cladhaire | i'll still sit in denial |
| 21:39.27 | cladhaire | cause.. its easier for me |
| 21:39.29 | selckin | halloween content patch! |
| 21:39.33 | cladhaire | i dont have time to prep anyway :P |
| 21:39.35 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 21:39.39 | nevcairiel | and yeah, we need halloween content! |
| 21:39.41 | Fisker- | #mmo-champion starting going wild about it |
| 21:39.49 | Fisker- | Guessing it was some announcement at blizzcon |
| 21:39.51 | nevcairiel | mmo-c is only users |
| 21:40.03 | nevcairiel | or L["users"] :P |
| 21:40.12 | NeoTron | we'll be attempting to sell a couple of "get then while you can" bear runs |
| 21:40.17 | Fisker- | we could spam Bibi` though |
| 21:40.19 | Fisker- | maybe he knows |
| 21:40.23 | Bibi` | what ? |
| 21:40.33 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:40.33 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: heh, we tried that this week already |
| 21:40.36 | nevcairiel | didnt really catch |
| 21:40.42 | Bibi` | know what ! |
| 21:40.43 | Bibi` | :( |
| 21:40.45 | Fisker- | What all that omg patch next week screaming was about on #mmo-champion some minutes ago :P |
| 21:40.48 | Bibi` | I know everything ! LOOK ! PAY ATTENTION TO ME ! |
| 21:40.52 | Neuro_Medivh | I think everyone and their dog expects the patch next tuesday |
| 21:40.58 | cladhaire | I DONT |
| 21:40.59 | cladhaire | NO U |
| 21:41.02 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:41.02 | Bibi` | oh |
| 21:41.07 | Bibi` | I guess Vredesbyrd confirmed it |
| 21:41.11 | Bibi` | and he's watching the australian PPV stream |
| 21:41.12 | Neuro_Medivh | I know MY dog is expecting it |
| 21:41.13 | Bibi` | so yeah, confirmed |
| 21:41.14 | nevcairiel | clady is just opposed |
| 21:41.38 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: someone sold a bear for 23kg last night |
| 21:41.38 | End | cladhaire refuses to hear you. |
| 21:41.46 | Fisker- | now he can't refuse |
| 21:41.53 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: our best was 15 :( |
| 21:41.54 | End | cladhaire will utilize beans in his hears if he has to |
| 21:41.58 | End | ears* |
| 21:42.52 | Neuro_Medivh | shit, for 23k, you could get MAMMOTH MOUNT. And never have to stop sell or buy ammo/food again |
| 21:43.04 | Neuro_Medivh | s/stop/stop to/ |
| 21:43.30 | Syzgyn | NeoTron: 23k? Damn... we're raising our price to 10k |
| 21:43.31 | ZorbaBeta | I want a mammoth mount. it's gonna be pricey to get :( |
| 21:43.42 | ZorbaBeta | take a lot of market fiddling to do that. sigh. |
| 21:43.44 | NeoTron | there are exactly teo resets left |
| 21:43.56 | NeoTron | s/teo/two/ |
| 21:43.59 | nevcairiel | so ZA resets monday |
| 21:44.01 | NeoTron | we'll try to make two runs |
| 21:44.37 | ZorbaBeta | the 3.0 patch includes the BC leveling buff, right? |
| 21:44.42 | NeoTron | yes |
| 21:44.57 | ZorbaBeta | cool, just in time to not have to slow down my alt |
| 21:45.36 | Dashkal | Photo of Ghostcrawler up on the class panel UI blog |
| 21:45.49 | Keias | can you link? |
| 21:45.57 | Dashkal | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2008/10/ghostcrawler-425.jpg |
| 21:46.14 | Keias | thanks |
| 21:46.53 | Fisker- | http://i34.tinypic.com/29mvig7.jpg >:3 |
| 21:47.29 | nevcairiel | anything interesting on panels left today? |
| 21:48.31 | Lunessa | lawl... gc totally not a chica. I knew it! |
| 21:48.58 | Industrial | ghostcrawler.. thats a coastcrawler >_> |
| 21:49.03 | NeoTron | Lunessa: GC just confirmed that |
| 21:49.17 | End | Coast to coast crawler? |
| 21:49.18 | NeoTron | "There is a rumor on the forums that I'm a hot chick. You now know it's true!" |
| 21:49.19 | NeoTron | see |
| 21:49.25 | End | hehe |
| 21:49.41 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: Startcraft gameplay at 3 PST, Diablo gameplay at 4:30 |
| 21:50.00 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: nothing thats really good without video :/ |
| 21:50.00 | Lunessa | I just thought it was funny. |
| 21:50.08 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: pretty much |
| 21:50.18 | Dashkal | Though I'm hoping for campaign tidbits in the starcraft one |
| 21:50.19 | nevcairiel | oh well, raids&dungones tomorrow |
| 21:50.30 | nevcairiel | *dungeons |
| 21:50.54 | Dashkal | I fully intend to cheat my way through the starcraft campaign the moment it comes out (I suck so much at RTS games) |
| 21:51.10 | Fisker- | i'm gonna cheat on you etc. lolol |
| 21:51.22 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: lol |
| 21:51.32 | nevcairiel | what do you play it for if you suck at it? :D |
| 21:51.39 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: the story |
| 21:51.57 | nevcairiel | I mean i suck at it in pvp, but i live playing story mode, and that without any cheating |
| 21:52.02 | nevcairiel | *like |
| 21:52.03 | End | Dashkal: every time you cheat, the queen of blades kills a kitten |
| 21:52.16 | Fisker- | mom? |
| 21:52.38 | Dashkal | Well it more comes down to I'll play right up until I find myself unable to progress, then I'll cheat the rest of the way. Faced between having to cheat and not seeing the rest of the plot, I pick the former. |
| 21:53.12 | NightHawkTheSane | usually campaign mode isnt too hard to do non-cheating |
| 21:53.26 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: it shouldn't be, but I'm pretty amazingly bad at RTS games. |
| 21:53.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: fair enough, i'm pretty amazingly bad at pvp, so :) |
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| 21:54.55 | foxlit | Gah, annoying |
| 21:55.42 | Dashkal | I really hope the easiest setting is easy enough for me. If so, I can actually play it straight. I'd love that |
| 21:56.21 | Dashkal | But when it comes down to it, I just wanna see more of Raynor's plot :p |
| 21:56.38 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/97987/38 |
| 21:56.57 | Syzgyn | Hah you know, they did all that work with frostfire bolt to make mages not suck on immune bosses |
| 21:57.02 | foxlit | (it's even worse than my lua code, so if you prefer to keep your sanity, I'd understand) |
| 21:57.04 | Syzgyn | but now they'll just be able to switch specs |
| 22:00.52 | Dashkal | ok, now I want one of those lovely live blogs for the starcraft one :p |
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| 22:01.09 | Esine | Anyone know what will happen to old Naxxramas? |
| 22:01.22 | foxlit | It'll vanish into history |
| 22:01.23 | End | poof |
| 22:01.24 | Esine | Does it get removed completely? If so, when? at 3.0.2 or at wotlk? |
| 22:01.28 | End | 3.0.2 |
| 22:01.31 | Esine | fuuck |
| 22:01.34 | Dashkal | Esine: Tuesday it is gone forever |
| 22:01.39 | Dewin | hmm too bad I'm not attuned |
| 22:01.42 | Esine | hm.. |
| 22:01.44 | Dewin | I'd want to log out in it just to see what happens |
| 22:01.47 | End | 3.0.2 is really just wotlk w/o wotlk |
| 22:01.48 | sb | you have to log out in naxx and destroy your hearthstone! |
| 22:01.54 | End | sb: haha |
| 22:02.09 | sb | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/16/9336454895-if-i-log-out-in-naxx60-on-patch-eve.html |
| 22:02.09 | foxlit | I don't think destroying the item would save you |
| 22:02.09 | sb | :P |
| 22:02.10 | End | I'm half tempted to try that :P |
| 22:02.14 | Dewin | Plenty of things can burn your HS cooldown even if you don't have a HS |
| 22:02.17 | NeoTron | Dewin: I heard you'll be placed in the void uinable to further play that character |
| 22:02.18 | Esine | man. there's this item I'd really want in nax :( |
| 22:02.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: your character is deleted, your wow account revoked, and blizzard sends men in black suits to "remove" you. permanently. |
| 22:02.21 | End | it'll probably send to shatt though |
| 22:02.24 | Esine | I'm not even attuned.. I wonder if I could get a group |
| 22:02.29 | End | er, your hearth |
| 22:02.31 | Esine | how many 70s would it take? |
| 22:02.35 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: It'd mean I get to see someone from Blizz IRL, I can live with that ;) |
| 22:02.42 | foxlit | 2 to kill the cat |
| 22:02.47 | NeoTron | Esine: do it in wotlk instead? |
| 22:02.51 | NeoTron | it's like exactly the same |
| 22:02.51 | sb | read that post Dewin ;) |
| 22:02.56 | Esine | NeoTron, don't think the item will be there then.. |
| 22:03.00 | Esine | I'm after the shoulder enchants :( |
| 22:03.02 | End | lol |
| 22:03.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: for all of the ten seconds between "*open door* yes, who is i-- " and the two bullets in your chest, sure!~ |
| 22:03.05 | End | " |
| 22:03.06 | foxlit | for a value of "exactly" that doesn't actually mean "exactly" |
| 22:03.06 | End | Then you start next to Patchwerk. Patchwerk kills you. You run back, you auto spawn next to Patchwerk. This repeats endlessly as Spirit Healers are removed from your game. " |
| 22:03.26 | Dewin | lol |
| 22:03.35 | nevcairiel | Esine: You're not even attuned yet you worry about shoulder enchants? *shrug |
| 22:03.36 | NeoTron | patchwerk loves to play |
| 22:03.59 | Esine | nevcairiel, well I was thinking I could get attuned tonight and then try get a group real fast thorugh forums and whatnot and we could do it and.. |
| 22:04.07 | Esine | I wonder how many would be interested |
| 22:04.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Kody- (n=kody@da001d1793.atl-ga.osd.concentric.net) |
| 22:04.17 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Kody-] by ChanServ |
| 22:04.20 | nevcairiel | what do you want it for anyway |
| 22:04.30 | Esine | what do I want shoulder enchants for? |
| 22:04.32 | Esine | umm guess |
| 22:04.41 | nevcairiel | get one of the scryer/aldor ones |
| 22:04.44 | Esine | pft |
| 22:04.53 | Esine | cant transfer those enchants can you |
| 22:05.07 | NightHawkTheSane | so basically you just want to be one of those annoying pissant twinks? |
| 22:05.17 | Esine | not exactly |
| 22:05.18 | Esine | no |
| 22:05.31 | Esine | I'd like to sell.. |
| 22:06.10 | NeoTron | ... |
| 22:06.23 | nevcairiel | so you want to get 20+ people to help you get an enchant so you can make a few more bucks? =P |
| 22:06.47 | Esine | something wrong? :) |
| 22:07.00 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 22:07.06 | NightHawkTheSane | many things. |
| 22:07.16 | nevcairiel | i report all accounts that i suspect are bought or being sold |
| 22:07.21 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:08.32 | foxlit | inBuffer[inPos + (i >> 3)] >> (i*4)) & 0x0f) << 4; // have to do this without shifts :*( |
| 22:08.40 | Arrowmaster | whats starting now? |
| 22:08.41 | Arrowmaster | SC2? |
| 22:08.55 | cladhaire | whats the current beta build? |
| 22:09.08 | nevcairiel | 9061 iirc |
| 22:09.15 | cladhaire | ah okay |
| 22:09.17 | cladhaire | i'm at 9056 |
| 22:09.18 | cladhaire | that's sad |
| 22:09.28 | nevcairiel | there was a 9056 build? o.O |
| 22:09.34 | Fisker- | OMG BETA OF SC2!??!1 |
| 22:09.35 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 22:09.37 | nevcairiel | didnt it go 38 -> 61? |
| 22:09.44 | sb | meeh |
| 22:09.46 | cladhaire | i'm patching 9038 - |
| 22:09.49 | cladhaire | 9056 |
| 22:09.49 | sb | stage 3 downloader still broken :/ |
| 22:09.59 | sb | (at least for me it is...) |
| 22:09.59 | cladhaire | lrn2mac :P |
| 22:10.02 | cladhaire | mine is fine |
| 22:10.02 | Fisker- | p2p tiems sb |
| 22:10.02 | cladhaire | :P |
| 22:10.12 | sb | stuck at 99% |
| 22:10.12 | Fisker- | learn2notrelyonblizzardqq |
| 22:10.13 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: woot, mine went 38 -> 61 directly |
| 22:10.20 | cladhaire | boo |
| 22:10.30 | Fisker- | Amazing that Blizzard haven't fixed it yet |
| 22:10.35 | nevcairiel | WoW-3.0.2.9038-to-3.0.2.9061-enGB-patch.exe |
| 22:10.37 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 22:10.39 | nevcairiel | maybe a mac thing =P |
| 22:11.10 | Fisker- | Though obviously the technical support guying "Oh there's no problems cause i can see it downloads, nevermind that none of the data is actually valid" |
| 22:11.11 | sb | Fisker-: busy at blizzcon :o |
| 22:11.16 | cladhaire | oh that was beta not ptr |
| 22:11.16 | cladhaire | or |
| 22:11.18 | cladhaire | i'm confused |
| 22:11.19 | cladhaire | i have too many wows |
| 22:11.21 | Fisker- | sb aren't you EU? |
| 22:11.22 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 22:11.28 | NightHawkTheSane | beta is at 9061, even for macs. |
| 22:11.29 | Fisker- | Or is the problem US as well? |
| 22:11.32 | sb | Fisker-: not me.. blizz |
| 22:11.32 | sb | oh |
| 22:11.34 | sb | no idea :) |
| 22:11.44 | Fisker- | Well are you US or not? >:3 |
| 22:11.46 | sb | right, could be some EU only problem |
| 22:11.48 | sb | no i'm not :) |
| 22:11.51 | nevcairiel | shouldnt beta and PTR be on the same build anyway? |
| 22:12.02 | Fisker- | yeah is an EU only problem :I |
| 22:12.03 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i think they diverged in this last build |
| 22:12.07 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 22:12.11 | NightHawkTheSane | but i may be wrong, i dont have ptr installed |
| 22:12.31 | cladhaire | it was a ptr build |
| 22:12.35 | cladhaire | i'm current on beta |
| 22:12.36 | cladhaire | which is good |
| 22:12.41 | cladhaire | got lots of shit to do apparently |
| 22:13.29 | sb | Fisker-: well - then expect it to be fixed in ~2 weeks :/ |
| 22:14.11 | Dashkal | WTB whatever video is being shown |
| 22:14.13 | Arrowmaster | WTB VIDEO |
| 22:14.16 | sb | mhh - so they wont fix it until monday |
| 22:14.17 | sb | where? |
| 22:14.22 | Arrowmaster | WTB DIRECTV RIP |
| 22:14.24 | Arrowmaster | NOW |
| 22:14.26 | Dashkal | ^^^^^ |
| 22:14.38 | nevcairiel | they really should've offerd a pay-per-view internet stream |
| 22:14.43 | nevcairiel | they wouldve made so much more money |
| 22:14.44 | sb | yup... |
| 22:14.47 | Dashkal | Oh so would have paid for that... |
| 22:14.57 | nevcairiel | same |
| 22:15.03 | sb | and more polar bears! :P |
| 22:15.24 | nevcairiel | its so lame to limit that to some stupid US provider that apparently also sucks, some US people told me |
| 22:15.26 | Arrowmaster | perty sure directv wouldnt have allowed them |
| 22:15.56 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: they couldve gone with some other distributor then :P |
| 22:16.38 | nevcairiel | or only do internet streaming <.< |
| 22:17.07 | sb | or global HD streaming... :O |
| 22:17.21 | nevcairiel | or at least in germany! :P |
| 22:17.31 | sb | germany premiere direkt :p |
| 22:17.38 | sb | 30 eur - all happy :p |
| 22:17.41 | nevcairiel | meh dont have premiere |
| 22:18.02 | Arrowmaster | jukebox.... needs to support custom playlists! |
| 22:18.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@78.151.177.116) |
| 22:18.56 | cbreak | iTunes ftw :) |
| 22:19.12 | sb | itunes is only good for one thing :p |
| 22:19.22 | cbreak | I use it for about four things. |
| 22:19.25 | sb | ipod/iphone syncing that is :p |
| 22:19.42 | nevcairiel | sb: i have a linux custom firmware on my iPod so i can directly copy mp3 over |
| 22:19.43 | sb | i dont like the playback features :/ |
| 22:20.04 | Dashkal | Must preorder from some place doing midnight... |
| 22:20.08 | sb | nevcairiel: iphone - not that much alternatives around :o |
| 22:20.15 | nevcairiel | sb: heh |
| 22:20.27 | cbreak | I use it for iPod, podcasts, to play back music and to listen to streaming radio |
| 22:20.30 | nevcairiel | i would actually take an iphone, but not with t-mobile |
| 22:20.31 | sb | and i dont want to jailbreak.. yet |
| 22:20.47 | sb | well - i found tmobile to be okay |
| 22:20.57 | sb | its 41 eur with family/friends thingie |
| 22:21.14 | sb | some free sms, some free calls - internet flat |
| 22:21.17 | nevcairiel | although i do need a new phone, mine is like breakign down |
| 22:21.18 | sb | all i need :) |
| 22:22.08 | Arrowmaster | my phone is like 7 years old...... |
| 22:22.21 | nevcairiel | I dont really handle my phone carefully =P |
| 22:22.39 | Arrowmaster | mine sucks so i never use it |
| 22:22.44 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:22.48 | sb | mh - strange projects from "ssveller" - i dont get the point ;) |
| 22:22.48 | Arrowmaster | well i also dont really have much of a use for it |
| 22:22.52 | sb | wtf is this nevcairiel? :p |
| 22:23.09 | nevcairiel | no idea, apparently he thinks his names are funny :P |
| 22:23.15 | sb | yup :O |
| 22:23.48 | NeoTron | so I'll lose an hour or two of play.. big deal |
| 22:24.07 | Arrowmaster | ah volue |
| 22:24.10 | Arrowmaster | volume |
| 22:24.50 | Adys | hmm |
| 22:24.59 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: i preorderd at amazon, so when i get home from university i can start =P also got the friday off! |
| 22:25.14 | Adys | Could someone test something for me? it's a bit complicated but I need to figure this crasher out |
| 22:25.37 | sb | 7 days off from work, 13.-23. :) |
| 22:25.53 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, nice |
| 22:26.03 | Adys | make a dressupmodel and set the model to your target. hide the model, walk out of viewing range of the target, walk back in and show the model again. wow should crash |
| 22:26.03 | sb | + midnight selling event :o |
| 22:26.25 | Neuro_Medivh | the worst thing is, Quantum of Solace drops Nov 14th, so I have to break away for a few hours and see it |
| 22:26.32 | nevcairiel | i thought about going to some midnight shit, but whats the point |
| 22:26.40 | sb | nevcairiel: its fun :) |
| 22:26.52 | nevcairiel | I need my sleep or i fail at university =P |
| 22:27.07 | Dewin | I was at a Wii midnight launch. |
| 22:27.08 | nevcairiel | plus i have no idea where i would have to go around here <.< |
| 22:27.16 | sb | mh, media markt? |
| 22:27.20 | Dewin | On a random impulse... on my way back from a friend's wedding, so was still in fancy clothes. |
| 22:27.25 | nevcairiel | no idea if ours does it |
| 22:27.26 | nevcairiel | its kidna small |
| 22:27.27 | Dewin | Won the raffle, I had ticket #007 :) |
| 22:27.44 | Neuro_Medivh | so you had a License to Wii |
| 22:27.49 | Dewin | Yes. |
| 22:27.51 | Dewin | But... |
| 22:28.00 | Dewin | they didn't line people up to actually enter the store by ticket number |
| 22:28.07 | Dewin | so I was one of the last people into the store, and twilight princess was gone. |
| 22:28.11 | Neuro_Medivh | did you do the smart thing and sell it for moola? |
| 22:28.17 | Dewin | No. |
| 22:28.19 | Dewin | I wanted one >.> |
| 22:28.43 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I did the same, with release day delivery |
| 22:28.43 | Dashkal | ok, who do I have to hump to get a bootleg of that? |
| 22:28.46 | Dewin | there was a group of four people next to us in line and we made pacts with each other to give each other a ticket if one of us won both, but we both one once so... |
| 22:30.49 | Arrowmaster | oh man how is this only a 56k mono mp3 stream? |
| 22:30.53 | Arrowmaster | my sub is going nuts |
| 22:31.31 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: get the high stream |
| 22:31.35 | nevcairiel | its 128k |
| 22:31.36 | Arrowmaster | where? |
| 22:33.38 | ScytheBlade1 | So I have 3.1GB of raw PCM around |
| 22:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | raw PCM audrio around that is |
| 22:33.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:33.56 | ScytheBlade1 | GC is a male |
| 22:33.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Win |
| 22:34.03 | nevcairiel | you're behind =P |
| 22:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Just started listening |
| 22:34.56 | NightHawkTheSane | GASP! Mother's Cookies goes out of business! http://consumerist.com/5061209/mothers-cookies-goes-out-of-business-kills-off-circus-animals |
| 22:35.02 | ScytheBlade1 | NOOOOOOO |
| 22:35.34 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: this HQ stream is only 64kbps mono |
| 22:35.41 | nevcairiel | really? |
| 22:35.47 | nevcairiel | the others were 128k |
| 22:35.57 | Arrowmaster | from http://www.wcradio.com/schedule.php ? |
| 22:36.03 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 22:36.19 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/97990 << pinpoint the failure :( |
| 22:36.25 | Arrowmaster | Main Hall - High Bandwidth: http://screlay-dtc0l-3.shoutcast.com:8024/listen.pls ? |
| 22:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, the whole "GC you left your purse in my office" thread suddenly got awesome |
| 22:39.40 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 22:39.52 | smcn | it's not a purse, it's a man bag |
| 22:40.05 | Dashkal | WHOA |
| 22:40.21 | Dashkal | "I'm here to announce.... The Starcraft Ii Trillogy" |
| 22:40.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 22:40.36 | Dashkal | First game is the terrans |
| 22:40.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh hot |
| 22:40.50 | Dashkal | The second is centered on the zerg "Heart of the swarm" |
| 22:40.59 | ScytheBlade1 | T -> Z -> P |
| 22:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | THIS SOUNDS FAMILIAR |
| 22:41.14 | Dashkal | The third on the protoss "Legacy of the Void" Zeratul the focus |
| 22:42.02 | Arrowmaster | so i wonder if they are just making a "Starcraft 2" and each compain will be like an "expansion" except the first one is included |
| 22:42.20 | molgar | Is there a internet site where i can find all the diferent templates and a picture of how they look? |
| 22:42.21 | Dashkal | "Wings of Liberty" is the name of the first one |
| 22:44.36 | Dashkal | 26-30 missions per campaign |
| 22:46.17 | ScytheBlade1 | The stream still going? |
| 22:46.36 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: yes. starcraft II in the main theater |
| 22:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: recording, thanks |
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| 22:47.47 | Arrowmaster | need directv rips |
| 22:47.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I agree |
| 22:48.00 | Arrowmaster | but i dont have the space! |
| 22:48.11 | Atriace | How do you delete an archived copy of your mod from wowinterface? |
| 22:48.29 | Atriace | nevermind |
| 22:48.39 | Castigo | nevca, how could have i done an half tab of likebreak? |
| 22:49.00 | Dashkal | WANT TO SEE THAT SCREEN |
| 22:51.38 | Dashkal | So it looks like the big evil will come later (How do you make an expansion pack for a trilogy?) |
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| 22:58.27 | foxlit | grah |
| 22:58.37 | foxlit | So who was it that has a PPC mac? |
| 22:59.19 | Dashkal | SC2 Multiplayer: The first of the three games will have all three races as far as multiplayer is concerned. They haven't decided on what effects the other two will have on multiplayer |
| 22:59.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i have one |
| 22:59.38 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: within reach? |
| 22:59.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm typing on it, right now. |
| 23:00.08 | foxlit | I (think) I've fixed my endian issues, but it testing gets trickier |
| 23:00.17 | foxlit | s/it testing/testing it/ |
| 23:00.53 | foxlit | While I can force rosetta to run a program, I can't force QuickLook to use a PPC generator while the quicklook host isn't running on PPC architecture |
| 23:01.19 | Dashkal | ok, want my ears back. I can live without diablo three gameplay |
| 23:02.13 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: Could I get you to test http://go-hero.net/store/BLPLook.qlgenerator.zip ? |
| 23:02.22 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yes, but not this instant, on phone. |
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| 23:02.52 | foxlit | Hm, make that http://go-hero.net/content/store/BLPLook.qlgenerator.zip |
| 23:05.26 | |Jelly| | Is there a Blizzcon blog or something [from the UI peoples] going on for those that didn't get to go? |
| 23:06.07 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/10/blizzcon-2008-ui-panel-liveblog/ |
| 23:06.16 | Arrowmaster | not very eventful from that blog |
| 23:08.19 | Fisker- | noone forced them to add signups to the calendar :( |
| 23:16.51 | cbreak | foxlit: did you try lipo? |
| 23:16.55 | cbreak | you can thin binaries |
| 23:17.02 | cbreak | essentially remove one architecture |
| 23:17.03 | foxlit | cbreak: that isn't the problem |
| 23:17.29 | foxlit | Or, rather, I'm not about to remove native implementation of a system service |
| 23:17.44 | cbreak | there are always backups :) |
| 23:17.54 | foxlit | Rather not go there :) |
| 23:18.16 | cbreak | how are those generators built? |
| 23:18.22 | cbreak | script or binary? |
| 23:18.52 | foxlit | They're compiled from C code into a binary executable and some non-binary metadata |
| 23:19.27 | cbreak | hmm... so you can not just thin the generator itself? |
| 23:19.33 | foxlit | Yes, I can. |
| 23:19.37 | cbreak | instead of the daemon |
| 23:19.46 | foxlit | However, the Intel daemon can't load the PPC generator |
| 23:19.54 | cbreak | hmm... makes sense. |
| 23:20.49 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: what was the command to reload quicklook plugins? :p |
| 23:21.05 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: also, sorry for the delay, had a phone interview that was slightly more important. :) |
| 23:21.17 | foxlit | I don't think you need to; something picks them up as you drop them into the right folder |
| 23:21.51 | foxlit | You can force a preview and some information from the commandline by doing qlmanage -r path/to/blp.blp |
| 23:21.55 | foxlit | er, -p |
| 23:22.21 | cbreak | you want blp quicklook? |
| 23:22.49 | foxlit | Mm, yes :) |
| 23:23.00 | ZorbaBeta | I wish the game kept track of which soul stones came from which monsters |
| 23:23.02 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: seems to work fine on my ppc :) |
| 23:23.15 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: no problem, even delayed testing is better than no testing :) |
| 23:23.45 | NightHawkTheSane | although it just has the image preview, not any information like i seem to get on the intel, (ie text saying "BLP/DXT3, 64x64px" etc |
| 23:23.57 | foxlit | Expected :) |
| 23:24.01 | NightHawkTheSane | alright. :) |
| 23:24.27 | foxlit | The text stuff was a bit odd, and it didn't help the scaling any, so the newer versions just neglect to tell you what they're reading |
| 23:24.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh, that's a shame, i kinda liked it |
| 23:24.56 | foxlit | I've got a list of different formats within wow's extracted art at http://www.wowwiki.com/BLP#Sample_Files -- if you could walk through all five, it'd be awesome :) |
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| 23:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | np |
| 23:26.03 | foxlit | Surprisingly, I've found what I think to be a bug in my Intel code while making sure it worked on PPCs. |
| 23:26.10 | foxlit | It's even odder that nobody noticed previously |
| 23:27.51 | foxlit | Had a [[alpha[i] = ((inBuffer[inPos + (i < 8 ? 0 : 1)] >> 4*i) & 0x0f) << 4;]] line in a for i=0,15 loop, it really should've eaten everything for i >=8, but apparently something stopped it from doing so on Intel. |
| 23:28.29 | foxlit | (shifting a 32-bit integer left by 32 bits should've left me with nothing... It probably cycled around?) |
| 23:30.24 | cbreak | signed or unsigned? |
| 23:30.31 | foxlit | unsigned. |
| 23:31.25 | Dewin | :I just read the BLP info on that page and I have a *guess* as to what the unknown flag is. |
| 23:31.36 | Dewin | I'm assuming it's always been seen at 0? |
| 23:32.00 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: the only one that seems odd is the GLUES\LoadingBar\Loading-BarGlow.blp (BLP\RAW), which just shows an empty quicklook window. it does the same thing on intel, actually. and the other blps in GLUES\LoadingBar work fine, which are also BLP\RAW. |
| 23:32.25 | foxlit | Dewin: you're free to guess, but it's actually defined somewhere |
| 23:32.25 | Dewin | If so, it's struct alignment, 32 bit values are usually aligned on byte boundaries that are multiples of 4, and 16-bit values are usually aligned on byte boundaries that are multiples of 2. |
| 23:32.36 | foxlit | Or, well, named by someone. |
| 23:32.40 | End | oh noes, server crash |
| 23:32.49 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, that's the same for me. |
| 23:32.59 | foxlit | Let me see if I can find a better RAW :) |
| 23:33.05 | Dewin | foxlit: I know a little more about struct alignment than I'd like to, courtesy of writing... FFXI addons >.> |
| 23:33.14 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: like i said, the other blps in GLUES\LoadingBar are BLP\RAW, and work fine. :) |
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| 23:33.33 | foxlit | Ah, courtesy of the type detection of the older version? :) |
| 23:33.38 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed :) |
| 23:34.00 | Recompense | Hey gurus, have a :SetAttribute() question if anyone's got a second |
| 23:34.05 | foxlit | I also have a QL-less converter that still prints that stuff :) |
| 23:34.26 | NightHawkTheSane | converter? as in blp-to-somethingelse? |
| 23:34.45 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 23:34.55 | Recompense | Since you can't change buttons' attributes in combat, is there a way to change them at the onset of combat so that their attributes have a combat state, or do I have to use a state header? |
| 23:35.15 | foxlit | Recompense: catch PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED |
| 23:35.17 | cbreak | you can register the regen enabled and disabled events |
| 23:35.26 | foxlit | That's your last chance to set attributes before they're locked |
| 23:35.26 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: you ought to put that up too :p |
| 23:35.29 | Recompense | That's what I was planning on doing, I didn't know if that would be too late |
| 23:35.31 | Recompense | Thanks! |
| 23:35.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Recompense: that event should be the last place to do things like that before the in combat lockdown. |
| 23:35.57 | Recompense | So those events fire before InCombatLockdown() returns 1? |
| 23:36.04 | foxlit | yes |
| 23:36.07 | Recompense | Perfect |
| 23:36.12 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: But then I'd have to deal with UI on that, at the moment I can just recompile whenever I need to change something :) |
| 23:36.18 | Recompense | Thanks everyone |
| 23:36.29 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: touché. :) |
| 23:38.50 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh... talking politics in Trade channel is the most frustrating thing |
| 23:39.10 | cbreak | could be worse. |
| 23:39.26 | NightHawkTheSane | at least you can turn off the trade channel |
| 23:39.33 | foxlit | report them all :) |
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| 23:40.11 | foxlit | So what actually happens when you say > ./someprogram file*mask.ext |
| 23:40.13 | cbreak | jaina for president! |
| 23:40.40 | cbreak | the shell expands the command line arguments according to globbing rules |
| 23:40.43 | foxlit | Only Victor Nefarius has the experience we need to combat the horde! |
| 23:41.11 | foxlit | So what someprogram actually gets is an argument list of file names? |
| 23:41.15 | cbreak | it probably forks a copy of itself, then execs the binary someprogram in the current directory |
| 23:41.15 | Dewin | yes. |
| 23:41.22 | Dewin | in linux, at least |
| 23:41.26 | cbreak | in os x too |
| 23:41.29 | Dewin | I do not believe the windows shell is nice and globby. |
| 23:41.36 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i think the shell runs someprogram for every filenames that match that mask |
| 23:41.45 | Dewin | Night: No, it's run *once* |
| 23:41.50 | Dewin | with all of the command line arguments chained. |
| 23:41.55 | NightHawkTheSane | is it? |
| 23:41.59 | foxlit | echo * |
| 23:41.59 | Kaso | mhmm |
| 23:42.00 | Dewin | yup |
| 23:42.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh, i only use shell expansions like that in a few cases |
| 23:42.09 | Dewin | and what foxlit said, it's a ghetto LS :) |
| 23:42.10 | cbreak | I often do something like scp -r folder/file0{1,2,3}* target.local:../TargetDir/ |
| 23:42.18 | cbreak | shell globbing rocks |
| 23:42.27 | foxlit | what about quoting and stuff? |
| 23:42.28 | Kaso | thats what causes the problem of programs complaing about too many arguments and you needing to xargs >< |
| 23:42.29 | Dewin | xargs is the way you invocate a program once for every arg (or for every N args) |
| 23:42.33 | Dewin | foxlit: |
| 23:42.47 | Dewin | foo --bar "arg with \"quotes\"" |
| 23:43.02 | Dewin | will run with argv[0] == foo, argv[1] == --bar, argv[2] == arg with "quotes" |
| 23:44.11 | foxlit | So who ends up parsing quotes? |
| 23:44.19 | cbreak | the shell |
| 23:45.03 | foxlit | hrm, perfect. So argv[] ends up filled with a reasonable list of file names |
| 23:45.15 | Dewin | exactly |
| 23:45.29 | cbreak | they don't neccessarly exist |
| 23:45.47 | Dewin | or have read access, or w/e |
| 23:46.24 | foxlit | and options end up in argv[0] along with program name et al? |
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| 23:46.45 | cbreak | no |
| 23:46.56 | cbreak | argv[0] is usually the name of the program |
| 23:47.23 | Dewin | more particularly, argv[0] is the command used to invoke the program |
| 23:47.29 | foxlit | right, should've read Dewin more closely |
| 23:47.41 | Dewin | if you run 'program --foo', it'll be program, but if you run '/usr/bin/program --foo', it'll be /usr/bin/program |
| 23:47.43 | foxlit | Putting --bar in [1] makes sense |
| 23:48.07 | Dewin | at least, I think it works that wa |
| 23:48.40 | cbreak | it can be something that has nothing to do with the program too I think |
| 23:48.42 | Dewin | Some programs have programmed different behavior based on their name, so one program might have 3 symlinks that make it do different things based on the name it's invoked as. busybox works that way, for instance |
| 23:49.20 | Dewin | busybox is ls cp ln mv and a bunch of other utilities in one exec. so you ln -s cp busybox, and busybox goes "oh, my argv[0] is 'cp', so I'll run the cp code." |
| 23:50.17 | cbreak | if you run a program with exec, you can chose which name you want to use for it |
| 23:50.31 | cbreak | so don't rely on it being something reasonable |
| 23:54.00 | Neuro_Medivh | so did we get any 'real' info from Blizzcon? Anything we didn't know before, besides the Wizard class |
| 23:54.13 | cbreak | mages get respec tables. |
| 23:54.18 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 23:54.23 | cbreak | so you will be able to respec during a raid |
| 23:54.38 | nevcairiel | i doubt that was serious =P |
| 23:54.50 | cbreak | blizzard would NEVER lie to us... |
| 23:54.54 | cbreak | :) |
| 23:55.00 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: never. ever. |
| 23:55.15 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: and everything blizzard says is a BLOOD OATH PROMISE |
| 23:55.21 | molgar | Anyone know a good place where i can find diferent button templates ? would be nice to see some pics too |
| 23:56.01 | Castigo | is anyone aware if from 2.2 to 3.0 there are any changes into the getglobal regarding buttons and frames? |
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| 23:56.55 | Castigo | apparently getglobal(validframename) returns nil bigstyle all the time |
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| 23:57.43 | cbreak | so... are they globals? |
| 23:58.14 | cbreak | (are they there if you access them via variable convention instead get global, or via _G |
| 23:58.15 | cbreak | ) |
| 23:58.25 | cbreak | or was it G_? hmm... |
| 23:58.38 | molgar | _G |
| 23:58.38 | Castigo | function foo(name) b=getglobal(name) print(b:GetName()) end function bar(frame) print(frame:GetName()) end function test() a(myframe:GetName()) b(myframe) |
| 23:58.42 | Castigo | sorry |
| 23:59.00 | Castigo | function foo(name) b=getglobal(name) print(b:GetName()) end function bar(frame) print(frame:GetName()) end function test() foo(myframe:GetName()) bar(myframe) |
| 23:59.19 | Castigo | foo gives error (name = nil) bar prints the name correctly |
| 23:59.21 | Castigo | why this? |
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