| 00:00.15 | ZorbaBeta | I believe RecipeBook can do at least the first part. I may be wrong on that. Check it out. |
| 00:00.15 | NightHawkTheSane | it seems easier to just use one of various profiling addons, develop a custom parser for that, and ask people to upload that |
| 00:00.33 | Shadowed | It wouldn't be that hard to do with 3.0 |
| 00:00.46 | Shadowed | would be dead simple really |
| 00:00.55 | NeoTron | except I don't want to have to have people do an upload |
| 00:01.06 | NeoTron | because that simply won't be maintained on a consistent basis |
| 00:01.17 | NeoTron | Shadowed: is it possible to "decode" profession links? |
| 00:01.21 | Shadowed | Maybe the second coming of jesus will happen :P |
| 00:01.28 | Shadowed | Tekkub made it sound like you could |
| 00:01.30 | Shadowed | (so I blame him if you can't) |
| 00:01.41 | [dRaCo] | if recipebook syncs, it probably stores that data somewhere |
| 00:01.46 | Tekkub | it is :P |
| 00:02.01 | NeoTron | so that'd significantly simplify the collection of data |
| 00:02.03 | Shadowed | You could make an addon that stores the links, and then only one user has to upload it... you still have to get the users to link you there list, but it's not that hard |
| 00:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I was writing an addon that syncs all profession data between all guild members |
| 00:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally had an awesome distributed database going on |
| 00:02.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Then the profession links came out and I stopped caring :P |
| 00:02.35 | NeoTron | and then a fat duck landed on your computer and squashed the code? |
| 00:02.49 | NeoTron | I'd say that the usecase, even in-game, is still there |
| 00:02.50 | Tekkub | ScytheBlade1, change it to just enchange the links then |
| 00:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, it's more of the complete apathy now though |
| 00:03.08 | NeoTron | search for an <item|enchant|etc> and get a list of who can make it |
| 00:03.12 | NeoTron | that's a hot use case |
| 00:03.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Further I wanted it to be searchable, which while I can't decode the profession links... |
| 00:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes exactly |
| 00:03.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That /was/ the idea |
| 00:03.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Then they simplified the process by letting you just link a tradeskill window |
| 00:03.36 | NeoTron | Tekkub: can you programmatically send a profession link as a response to a addon query message? |
| 00:03.37 | Tekkub | so decode them |
| 00:03.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: would a stored profesion link work if the person was offline? |
| 00:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | if I could decode the strings then I would |
| 00:04.15 | Tekkub | NeoTron, you'd have to cache it when the panel's opened |
| 00:04.21 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, yes |
| 00:04.43 | Tekkub | ScytheBlade1, you can! |
| 00:04.45 | NeoTron | ah that's easy enough |
| 00:04.47 | ScytheBlade1 | If someone figures out how to decode the profession strings, sure |
| 00:04.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: tell me how I'm lazy =] |
| 00:04.55 | Shadowed | So wait, how does it manage to send everything they can make within the 255 character limit? |
| 00:05.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, then pretty much all you need is an addon to store/display those proffesion links, and maybe some minor syncing capability |
| 00:05.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: the profession links? Deep dark C-side voodoo |
| 00:05.10 | Shadowed | does it have to contact the server or something |
| 00:05.16 | Shadowed | aha |
| 00:05.16 | Tekkub | Shadowed, it's all encoded in a string |
| 00:05.16 | ScytheBlade1 | nope all client side |
| 00:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Embedded in a rather long string but small enough |
| 00:05.31 | Tekkub | ScytheBlade1, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10316-TradeLinks.html |
| 00:05.32 | Shadowed | They encoded every item you can make, within 255 characters seems impressive |
| 00:05.55 | Tekkub | it does? |
| 00:05.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: awesome, I may start caring in the future |
| 00:05.59 | jaxdahl | hrm |
| 00:06.04 | jaxdahl | sudden server shutdown |
| 00:06.09 | Tekkub | 255 chars, 2040 bits |
| 00:06.15 | ZorbaBeta | it's reasonably simple if you have a canonical list of all makeable items |
| 00:06.19 | Tekkub | I doubt any tradeskill has half that many recipes |
| 00:06.43 | ZorbaBeta | if you don't, it's a little harder |
| 00:06.58 | ZorbaBeta | however, do they really have to compact it into a single message? couldn't it in theory be a set of messages? |
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| 00:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah okay, I see how Maldivia did it |
| 00:07.07 | Tekkub | ZorbaBeta, it can, and has, been mined out of the client |
| 00:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That's more or less what I was expecting it |
| 00:07.20 | Tekkub | Maldy has a script to do it even |
| 00:08.07 | ScytheBlade1 | hmmm |
| 00:08.55 | End | I hate telling people no, but just saying no and offering no explaination works a lot more than I would have ever expected |
| 00:09.10 | Tekkub | End, no |
| 00:09.32 | End | No? |
| 00:10.54 | Tekkub | yes? |
| 00:10.57 | Tekkub | no, wait... |
| 00:10.58 | Tekkub | no |
| 00:11.17 | Tekkub | ironically, that's also the answer to the question Tem will ask soon |
| 00:11.41 | NightHawkTheSane | no's a pretty good answer to any question tem asks, i bet. |
| 00:11.53 | Tekkub | well, no |
| 00:12.06 | Tekkub | Tem's smart enough and will catch on fast |
| 00:13.21 | jaxdahl | tem can't ask anything if he isn't here.. |
| 00:13.40 | Tekkub | no, he can't! |
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| 00:14.10 | NightHawkTheSane | I think i need to learn japanese, so I can watch anime while doing other things. reading subtitles makes it pretty difficult to do much else >.> |
| 00:14.58 | Tekkub | read faster |
| 00:15.20 | Tekkub | then do your "other things" buring the "stare at each other and grunt" scenes |
| 00:15.34 | Tekkub | I think you'll find you only need like 5min of active reading per ep |
| 00:16.03 | Iriel | Sometimes I wonder the context of the ends of conversations, I think this time im happy I dont know it. |
| 00:16.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: see, in this case, that was actually the start of a converstion. ;) |
| 00:16.33 | jaxdahl | ^ |
| 00:16.40 | Tekkub | Iriel, you got the whole convo there |
| 00:16.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: yeah, i watch animes that are slightly more than grunting, staring, and 5 minutes of plot. :p |
| 00:16.48 | Iriel | Tekkub just made it sound dirtier than it was, I suppose that's to be expected. |
| 00:17.17 | Tekkub | sound dirtier? no, that would be the "fuck each other and grunt" scenes |
| 00:19.11 | Tekkub | woah, we got access to pitch info now? |
| 00:19.23 | jaxdahl | pitch? |
| 00:19.38 | Dashkal | Tekkub: seriously? |
| 00:19.40 | Sixen | patch* |
| 00:19.44 | Dashkal | Or just the camera angle |
| 00:19.46 | Tekkub | local pitch = round(GetUnitPitch("player"),5) |
| 00:19.50 | Dashkal | niiice |
| 00:19.51 | Sixen | oh that kinda pitch |
| 00:19.54 | kd3 | o_O |
| 00:20.12 | jaxdahl | what is that useful for at all? |
| 00:20.21 | Tekkub | for knowing your pitch |
| 00:20.25 | jaxdahl | to do what |
| 00:20.26 | kd3 | so we can finally implement the "am I flying level" mod people have been asking for since 2.0? |
| 00:20.29 | Dashkal | You fly faster if you're flying level |
| 00:20.41 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, no |
| 00:20.43 | Tekkub | *grin* |
| 00:21.08 | jaxdahl | i wonder if they accidentally did a restart when they meant to do a shutdown and so really did a shutdown to deploy a new build |
| 00:21.26 | jaxdahl | or if they had a problem with a hotfix they tried to deploy |
| 00:21.43 | Tekkub | first rule of beta: "RESTART" means "SHUTDOWN" |
| 00:21.52 | NightHawkTheSane | that said, GetUnitPitch() has been around for a while not.. a month or so? this is not news folks. ;) |
| 00:22.00 | NightHawkTheSane | hopefully, someone writes a better addon than I. |
| 00:22.03 | NeoTron | you can make a flight hud that displays real pitch :P |
| 00:22.14 | Tekkub | it's not? everyone else just went OMG WUT? |
| 00:22.29 | Duman | wow |
| 00:22.29 | NightHawkTheSane | its seriously been in the beta builds for a while now |
| 00:22.34 | jaxdahl | northrend is online on the realm list now, others are not showing up |
| 00:22.37 | Duman | you can get pitch now? sweet |
| 00:22.43 | NightHawkTheSane | it's actually been discussed in this very channel. |
| 00:22.44 | Tekkub | see? another one |
| 00:22.44 | Dashkal | I'd be pretty happy with a simple LDB provider that coughed up pitch in degrees against level |
| 00:23.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: basicAttitude on wowi. |
| 00:23.02 | Duman | I must have been afk when it was being discussed |
| 00:23.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: i wrote one that does just that. |
| 00:23.13 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: danke! |
| 00:23.23 | Tekkub | I want it to give warnings that you'll stall if you pitch up too hard |
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| 00:23.54 | Tekkub | oh oh, or the "Terrain terrain pull up!" one |
| 00:24.04 | Duman | nighthawk, cool - found it http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11106-basicAttitude.html |
| 00:24.12 | Duman | haha |
| 00:24.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: that'd be sweet :) |
| 00:24.37 | Tekkub | COLLISION ALERT! COLLISION ALERT! COLLISION ALERT! |
| 00:24.39 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe rip some audio from a flight sim. |
| 00:25.05 | Tekkub | do it randomly when afk flying, just to fuck with people |
| 00:25.50 | NeoTron | all of a sudden I get back sweet memories of the addon that let you record and replay routes |
| 00:26.00 | NeoTron | so you could use it to move from place A to C via place B |
| 00:26.12 | Tekkub | yes.... that addon... |
| 00:26.12 | NeoTron | I don't recall what it was called now but I had routes all over the place |
| 00:26.33 | Tekkub | I was more amused by the one that looked for people nearby to follow and try to get to your location |
| 00:26.39 | Tekkub | after they nerfed the other |
| 00:26.48 | NeoTron | hahah I didn't know that even existed |
| 00:27.11 | Tekkub | yea it'd scan around till it found someone, follow them, and see if they're going the right direction |
| 00:27.12 | NeoTron | I know slouken wrote a bot in beta that would accept group invites and follow you around |
| 00:27.26 | NeoTron | seems very very random |
| 00:27.39 | Tekkub | accepting is easy, and I used to have a mod that's follow on a tell |
| 00:27.52 | Tekkub | since Trey would play form work and often AFK in bad places |
| 00:28.00 | NeoTron | I don't recall the details now but it was pretty funny at the time |
| 00:28.36 | NeoTron | I still hope they add passenger flying mounts |
| 00:28.44 | NeoTron | when dual-boxing /follow just doesn't work very well |
| 00:28.47 | NeoTron | keep losing the follow |
| 00:28.49 | Duman | weird, I just got a headhunter email from some stealth startup who has a founder who "played a critical role at Blizzard Entertainment" |
| 00:29.00 | Dashkal | I expect it won't be too long. The tech is already there |
| 00:29.24 | Tekkub | Duman, janitor |
| 00:29.29 | Duman | clearly |
| 00:29.34 | Duman | I mean, it's critical |
| 00:29.38 | Duman | can't have a backed-up shitter |
| 00:29.40 | Iriel_ | Tekkub: That was my conclusion too |
| 00:30.17 | Tekkub | actually, nix that, the most critical guy is the one that restocks the soda machines |
| 00:30.28 | NeoTron | multipassenger mounts is nifty... if you want to level a char early on |
| 00:30.39 | NeoTron | but has really no practical use at level 80 |
| 00:30.52 | Tekkub | no use? |
| 00:31.03 | Tekkub | remember what I just said about my follow addon? |
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| 00:31.14 | NeoTron | yeah? |
| 00:31.23 | Tekkub | yeah, same thing |
| 00:31.31 | NeoTron | you can't make someome mount up remotely |
| 00:31.51 | NeoTron | and you won't be using it in outlands or northrend since you'll be flying, not riding on the ground |
| 00:31.54 | Tekkub | no, but if he just hops on my mount he never has to worry about going AFK and needed to follow me |
| 00:32.13 | NeoTron | unless you dismount for some reason |
| 00:32.23 | Tekkub | like to kill him? sure |
| 00:32.42 | NeoTron | still that's really not very useful in a place where you'd normally use a flying mount |
| 00:32.42 | Iriel | That's like saying follow has no practical use because you might jump off a cliff |
| 00:32.54 | NeoTron | Iriel: follow works with flying mounts... |
| 00:33.22 | Tekkub | when I'm playing with him, we're leveling, and you rarely have flying while leveling |
| 00:33.25 | NeoTron | I see it being useful in the old world, and if leveling 60-70 in outlands |
| 00:33.31 | Tekkub | 3 out of 80 levels? |
| 00:33.34 | Duman | I guess I should finish packing my bags |
| 00:34.07 | NeoTron | that kind of is my point though |
| 00:34.15 | NeoTron | so it's possibly useful level 70-77 |
| 00:34.19 | NeoTron | but I was talking max level |
| 00:34.35 | NeoTron | thus my "not practical use at level 80" comment above |
| 00:36.10 | NeoTron | if I dual-box-level and can get my hands on a motorcycle mount I likely will do it, don't get me wrong |
| 00:39.20 | Sixen | I need to finish packing as well =| |
| 00:39.45 | Iriel | the blizzcon logo is up on the convention center already |
| 00:40.01 | Sixen | Haha, really? You're out there already? |
| 00:40.03 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/wotlk_raid if you want to follow my tanking |
| 00:40.13 | Duman | nice |
| 00:40.20 | Duman | I leave tomorrow AM (driving) |
| 00:40.44 | Iriel | I had some things to do beforehand, plus this avoids some traffic nastiness for the drive down (which wasn't too bad) |
| 00:40.51 | Sixen | Hehe, i'm leaving tomorrow night. |
| 00:40.56 | Sixen | Mmmm, true. |
| 00:41.26 | Iriel | I drove down from the SF Bay Area this afternoon, and now i'm recovering at starbucks |
| 00:41.58 | Sixen | Hahaha, i'm driving from Phoenix (AZ) |
| 00:43.06 | Iriel | How long does that take? |
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| 00:43.40 | Ackis | does anyone have an easy to print schedule for blizzcon? |
| 00:43.51 | Thunder_Child | did cair leave already? |
| 00:44.00 | jaxdahl | http://mogulus.com/wotlk_raid/ correct url |
| 00:44.00 | jaxdahl | sorry |
| 00:44.03 | jaxdahl | live naxx raid |
| 00:44.25 | NeoTron | weird |
| 00:44.47 | Thunder_Child | I'm driving from LA, you know if enough people drive there not to many people will have to taxi |
| 00:45.00 | Thunder_Child | cog drives down as well |
| 00:45.45 | NeoTron | it's slightly choppy :P |
| 00:46.14 | Tekkub | Thunder_Child, I call shotgun |
| 00:47.02 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, heh, i should have said coming from LA |
| 00:47.07 | Thunder_Child | i'm not driving |
| 00:47.20 | Tekkub | bah |
| 00:47.27 | Thunder_Child | someone else is |
| 00:47.56 | Tekkub | taxi to dinner should be like $10 each way, split between 3 people unless they charge per-person |
| 00:48.08 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, get a van |
| 00:48.20 | Tekkub | I'm trying to get cair to get a bus |
| 00:48.27 | Tekkub | but she's being difficult |
| 00:48.53 | Thunder_Child | why not a limo? |
| 00:48.59 | Thunder_Child | ~$75 |
| 00:49.02 | Thunder_Child | per hour |
| 00:49.15 | Tekkub | I dunno, will a limo hold 50 people? |
| 00:49.36 | Thunder_Child | 15 people easy @ $5 then get multiple limos |
| 00:50.17 | Amarande | WTF. |
| 00:50.22 | Amarande | I was flying between SW and Menethil |
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| 00:50.36 | Amarande | and next thing I see the graphics go odd and the screen go stark black for about 30 seconds with lots of disk activity |
| 00:50.40 | Amarande | and then it pops back to normal |
| 00:50.43 | Amarande | I've never seen that happen before |
| 00:51.05 | Amarande | I think it happened as I was passing near IF |
| 00:51.23 | Ackis | leaving for the airport in about 30 mins, gotta finish packing, remember to look for the fat guy in a Canada hat at Blizzcon |
| 00:51.37 | NightHawkTheSane | holy crap... http://kotaku.com/5059808/littlebigplanet-can-do-your-math-homework |
| 00:51.40 | Iriel | Your character passed out from all of the dwarven alcohol fumes |
| 00:52.47 | Tem | yay for free wifi in Houston air port |
| 00:53.23 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, sadly they were all sold out of the 50D already (in the body only kit) and rentals are a retarded $135/day so no exceptionally high ISO this year :( |
| 00:53.28 | Tem | Also, Ivan type aurpeizinfly well ok my phone |
| 00:53.36 | Tem | We |
| 00:53.42 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: 8-( |
| 00:53.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: i believe you, really |
| 00:54.01 | Iriel | Tem: You are SO busted on that lie |
| 00:54.28 | Iriel | That's like "Really drinking, I haven't been officer!" |
| 00:54.52 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, maybe he WAS telling the truth, he's just particularly drunk. |
| 00:55.08 | Tem | Elk fine I retract that |
| 00:55.13 | Tem | Elk |
| 00:55.16 | Tem | LOL |
| 00:55.17 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 00:55.28 | NeoTron | hmm did they implement an analog calculator of some sort? |
| 00:55.52 | Tem | This is going to be a fun lyocwr |
| 00:55.54 | ZorbaBeta | I believe it's digital, not analog |
| 00:55.55 | Iriel | That calculator video was surprisngly unimpressive looking, I was hoping to see all the pieces whizzing around during the calculation |
| 00:55.59 | Tem | Layover |
| 00:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: check the link, watch the movie. |
| 00:56.06 | Iriel | Tem: Where are you at? and for how long? |
| 00:56.08 | NeoTron | I did |
| 00:56.26 | Tem | Houston |
| 00:56.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: yeah, same, but it's still an impressive feat of design. |
| 00:56.40 | jaxdahl | hey tem |
| 00:56.51 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: I dont know enough about hte underlying engine to assess it.. No PS3 for me (at this point) |
| 00:56.51 | Tem | Until 855 local time |
| 00:56.54 | jaxdahl | http://www.mogulus.com/wotlk_raid/ |
| 00:56.57 | cbreak | An abacus is an analog calculator. |
| 00:57.36 | Tem | Jax phone plus that link equals no bueno |
| 00:57.44 | cbreak | This is an analog calculator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcDshWmhF4A |
| 00:58.07 | jaxdahl | ah ok, it's a stream of my naxx raid |
| 00:58.41 | ZorbaBeta | I think it's cutting off the edges :P |
| 00:58.51 | ZorbaBeta | hey it's a dragon |
| 00:59.13 | Tem | : |
| 01:00.38 | Tem | I'll peobably lose my mibbit xonnecrion by clicking that yt link but hwre foes |
| 01:01.26 | Tekkub | Tem, no |
| 01:01.48 | Atriace | Anyone know how to set the Inset of a ScrollingMessageFrame? |
| 01:01.57 | Atriace | My text is running up the edges of my background. |
| 01:03.56 | NeoTron | do we know yet if inscription in fact will give you an extra glyph? |
| 01:05.02 | cbreak | All I heard were people who claimed that |
| 01:05.10 | cbreak | but I never got any while leveling |
| 01:05.20 | cbreak | although, I am not maxed with it |
| 01:05.43 | NightHawkTheSane | so far, the only confirmed in-game perk of inscription is the shoulder enchants, i believe? |
| 01:06.19 | Duman | so far |
| 01:06.26 | Duman | just the rumors of the 4th glyph slot |
| 01:06.56 | cbreak | there aren't that many good glyphs anyway :/ |
| 01:07.00 | Duman | (err, 7th slot) |
| 01:07.07 | Duman | depends on the class |
| 01:07.19 | Duman | well, class+spec |
| 01:07.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i could easily find 4 major glyphs as a resto shaman |
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| 01:10.19 | cbreak | there aren't that many good ones as frost mage |
| 01:10.39 | cbreak | of course I will probably fill the slots, but I doubt they make a big difference |
| 01:11.38 | Tem | wheeeee |
| 01:11.55 | Tem | Glyphs? |
| 01:12.07 | cbreak | yes |
| 01:13.08 | ZorbaBeta | plus it's pretty conceivable that they add more glyphs in the future. a 4th glyph slot could become incredibly useful |
| 01:13.19 | Amarande | yeah, as a shaman in general, I'm likely to have trouble choosing glyphs |
| 01:13.22 | ZorbaBeta | is there a place listing the profession perks? |
| 01:13.26 | Amarande | shamans just have THAT many useful spells |
| 01:13.42 | ZorbaBeta | there's like five or six really nice ones for prot warrior |
| 01:14.09 | Amarande | VS., say, a healadin, who's just ... HL, HL, HL, HL, HL, HL, maybe a FoL here and there, HL, HL ... |
| 01:14.16 | cbreak | I'll probably get imp. blink. |
| 01:14.24 | cbreak | and maybe imp. mage armor or so. |
| 01:14.29 | ZorbaBeta | aha, found a site |
| 01:14.35 | cbreak | and imp. water elemental. |
| 01:14.39 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I honestly don't know how anyone can play a class with two buttons :P |
| 01:14.42 | ZorbaBeta | it sounds *so boring* |
| 01:14.56 | cbreak | but they aren't that useful, there's not even a glyph that improves Frostbolt :( |
| 01:15.37 | Tem | I can't get used to the ectra range on blink |
| 01:15.58 | cbreak | blinking usually doesn't even give the normal range... |
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| 01:18.13 | jaxdahl | welp |
| 01:18.16 | jaxdahl | nobody watching the stream |
| 01:18.18 | jaxdahl | so i'm stopping it |
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| 01:39.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Nargiddley: ping? |
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| 02:01.37 | NightHawkTheSane | http://gigapress.com/b/dscat.jpg |
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| 02:07.31 | End | I hate bloodboil |
| 02:10.13 | Neuro_Medivh | the ability or the boss? |
| 02:11.13 | NightHawkTheSane | im going to guess the boss |
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| 02:11.49 | End | the boss |
| 02:30.26 | Syzgyn | End: Get good healers? |
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| 02:35.04 | End | Syzgyn: srsly |
| 02:47.45 | Tekkub | there an inscriber in shatt, or can you not level past 300 on the PTR? |
| 02:48.20 | NightHawkTheSane | does the one in org not level you up to 375? |
| 02:48.52 | Tekkub | sexodar, and no I run out of stuff at 290 |
| 02:49.36 | Syzgyn | Tekkub: I believe you're stuck at 300 till LK hits |
| 02:49.54 | Tekkub | that don't make sense, you should get stuck at 375 :P |
| 02:51.14 | Syzgyn | I agree |
| 02:51.24 | Syzgyn | but I seem to remember reading somewhere it was 300 |
| 02:51.27 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it may if they wanted to open inscription to anyone 0-300, and only lk users at 301-450 |
| 02:51.30 | Syzgyn | lemme see if I can find it |
| 02:51.31 | Tekkub | heh, the NR trainer has a recipe for me... |
| 02:51.40 | Tekkub | requires ink I can't make till 300 |
| 02:51.44 | Tekkub | niiiiiiice |
| 02:51.45 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 02:51.59 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, bug report that. |
| 02:52.39 | Tekkub | I have two yellow recipes I can do though, and they seem to like to make you ride a yellow for those last 5 skillups before you get a new ink |
| 02:53.21 | Tekkub | ... I can't |
| 02:53.28 | Tekkub | the feedback addon is gone? |
| 02:55.25 | Syzgyn | I'm stuck at 431 alchemy, and the only things I have to level on *at all* are meta transmutes |
| 02:55.29 | Syzgyn | everything else is gray |
| 02:58.00 | |pez| | skills and proffs goes to... 450 now? |
| 02:58.05 | Syzgyn | Ya |
| 02:58.21 | |pez| | neat |
| 02:58.58 | NightHawkTheSane | standard progression, +75 |
| 02:59.39 | Syzgyn | ~lart Cidan |
| 02:59.39 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at Cidan |
| 02:59.51 | Cidan | I'm hurt. |
| 03:00.01 | Cidan | So, WoW + 24 inch Widescreen == pretty. |
| 03:00.46 | Cidan | Now I just have to hit 70. |
| 03:00.46 | Amarande | So when WOTLK comes out with its new arena season, is the 70 honor gear still going to be S2 or will it bump up to S3? |
| 03:00.46 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
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| 03:01.20 | Syzgyn | I doubt they'll change it Amarande |
| 03:01.34 | NightHawkTheSane | they havn't given an indication of what they'll do when s5 starts. |
| 03:01.40 | NightHawkTheSane | but thats a few months off. |
| 03:01.41 | Tekkub | it'll prolly stay the same till LK S1 gear hit honor |
| 03:01.42 | Dashkal | mwrarf |
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| 03:32.36 | Dewin | so... |
| 03:32.46 | Dewin | Ever seen a panther ride a mechanostrider? |
| 03:34.08 | Dewin | Would have been more funny on a NE mount. |
| 03:34.42 | Dewin | http://i34.tinypic.com/5pfqm0.jpg Blizzard kind of forgot to check if you were mounted. |
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| 03:35.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: yeah.. i noticed that myself.. http://www.asylumsw.com/misc/mounted.jpeg |
| 03:36.20 | Dewin | What's that one? |
| 03:36.28 | Dewin | ohhh |
| 03:36.31 | NightHawkTheSane | grizzly hills quest. |
| 03:36.34 | Dewin | ... the hell? LOL |
| 03:38.20 | Dewin | Grinding exodar rep is sooo slow |
| 03:38.33 | Dewin | (not high enough to do runecloth turnins) |
| 03:38.57 | NightHawkTheSane | hm.. low level quests still give rep, yeah? |
| 03:39.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i could do those.. |
| 03:39.15 | Dewin | yup. |
| 03:39.17 | Dewin | that's what I'm doing |
| 03:39.21 | Dewin | I want to be a gnome on an elekk |
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| 03:39.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i just want an albino drake ;) |
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| 03:44.11 | Syzgyn | Dewin: Run AV and turn in storm crystals |
| 03:45.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: poke, random question... will Omen2 run fine with 3.0? |
| 03:45.26 | Antiarc | Should, but it's not going to be accurate |
| 03:45.26 | Dewin | Szygyn: If I was high enough to do that,I'd turn in runecloth |
| 03:45.36 | Dewin | my mage is 43 |
| 03:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | The threat API changed in details again |
| 03:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | We can't query threat against anyone but ourselves last I checked |
| 03:46.40 | ScytheBlade1 | friendly NPC vs. hostile NPC, no go |
| 03:46.56 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's being a bit sketchy on what player vs. mob data it's giving us |
| 03:47.03 | NightHawkTheSane | are ethereum prison keys tradeable? |
| 03:47.08 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, yes |
| 03:47.11 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks |
| 03:48.49 | Syzgyn | Ah :P |
| 03:54.48 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: Xinhuan is working on Omen3 |
| 03:54.54 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: Omen2 will not work |
| 03:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: yeah, and I have an initial (mostly functional) alpha of it sitting on my beta install |
| 03:59.38 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: the latest one is pretty functional (though no config for styles etc yet) |
| 04:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yssaril: yeah I know, I have it =] |
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| 05:04.14 | Adys | hmm |
| 05:04.34 | Adys | is it possible to make a green/blue/red tooltip? a bit like the pre-1.3 NPC tooltips |
| 05:05.08 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean just changing the tooltip background? i imagine so |
| 05:05.18 | NightHawkTheSane | in fact, i believe cowtip does this |
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| 05:05.53 | Adys | http://wowcompares.com/1124115/FrameXML/GameTooltip.lua actually |
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| 05:15.08 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, it's really hard to describe how much i loathe other people |
| 05:15.23 | batrick | i just can't contain my awesomeness sorry NightHawkTheSane |
| 05:15.45 | ccox | ..says the man who has to describe himself as "the sane"? |
| 05:16.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't have to, i just choose to |
| 05:17.21 | Atriace | I'm having issues referencing a table by converting it from a string if it's a subtable, for instance: t = _G[lib.var] |
| 05:18.16 | Atriace | It might just be me getting tired, but I can't seem to remember how else to convert a string to an actual object. |
| 05:18.28 | Atriace | er.... I meant t = _G["lib.var"] |
| 05:18.52 | Atriace | Any ideas? |
| 05:19.02 | NightHawkTheSane | _G["lib"].var? |
| 05:20.15 | Atriace | not... quite usable in my case. The string is an argument. I'll pastey it |
| 05:20.34 | NightHawkTheSane | _G["lib]["var"] would be synonymous |
| 05:21.02 | Atriace | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97803 |
| 05:21.05 | NightHawkTheSane | except with an extra " in there |
| 05:21.49 | Atriace | The issue is with lines 10 and 4 |
| 05:22.34 | NightHawkTheSane | you might just check "table" to see if it has any .'s and split it appropriately |
| 05:23.02 | Atriace | But how would you reconstruct that for a variable depth? |
| 05:23.23 | Atriace | t[1][2][3][4][5][6].... etc |
| 05:24.18 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. |
| 05:24.21 | Atriace | _G["t".."[1]".."[2]".."[3]"] |
| 05:24.57 | Atriace | wait... no the concat would have to be in the string... but I don't think it would be read as a concat anymore |
| 05:26.54 | NightHawkTheSane | well, if you split 'table' at '.', you could iterate through that and grab an actual variable reference to the table you want, for k,v in pairs (splitTableName) do if myTable then myTable = myTable["v"] else myTable = _G["v"] |
| 05:27.06 | NightHawkTheSane | end; end; |
| 05:27.07 | NightHawkTheSane | (sorry end) |
| 05:27.08 | Arrowmaster | lua> lib = { var = true } return _G["lib.var"] |
| 05:27.09 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 05:27.21 | Arrowmaster | lua> lib = { var = true } return _G["lib"]["var"] |
| 05:27.22 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: true |
| 05:27.26 | Arrowmaster | there is a difference |
| 05:27.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: didn't i say that like 10 minutes ago? ;) |
| 05:27.40 | Atriace | indeed |
| 05:28.30 | Arrowmaster | lua> _G["lib.var"] = true return _G["lib.var"] |
| 05:28.31 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: true |
| 05:28.33 | Arrowmaster | hax |
| 05:28.47 | MentalPower | Atriace: why not do something like db.TablePrint(v, table)? for line 10 |
| 05:28.56 | Arrowmaster | lua> _G["lib.var"] = true return lib.var |
| 05:28.56 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'lib' (a nil value) |
| 05:29.02 | Atriace | hmm |
| 05:29.22 | Atriace | while do I feel like I tried that earlier and decided not to do that.... |
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| 05:29.50 | Atriace | I'll give it another go (I am le tired, so I'm not firing on all cores) |
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| 05:37.12 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 05:37.59 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> a = {}; b = { aa = a }; a.b = b; return b.aa; |
| 05:38.00 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: table: 0x8082c00 |
| 05:38.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Atriace: you might beware of infinite table loops in your function.. |
| 05:39.01 | Atriace | I assumed there were no nested infinite tables |
| 05:39.17 | Atriace | Is this possible? |
| 05:39.34 | Atriace | The function should arrive at an end if the table is finite. |
| 05:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | well, lua_bot didn't throw a syntax error when i did it just now |
| 05:39.57 | Atriace | hmm |
| 05:41.04 | NightHawkTheSane | its probably an edge case for sure, but. |
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| 05:48.47 | Atriace | finally... it's working. |
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| 06:00.58 | End | wow |
| 06:01.39 | End | I broke demonic circle |
| 06:21.13 | Dashkal | danke for the run. That was fun |
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| 06:32.22 | Syzgyn | Yarr |
| 06:32.46 | Syzgyn | And now, sleepy time. |
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| 06:46.31 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Shirik|Ghost |
| 06:46.32 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik|Ghost, pokes Shirik|Ghost repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 06:48.31 | Nechckn | Thunder_Child do you play yonder WAR? |
| 06:48.58 | Nechckn | oh wait.. nvm I see you at least are hanging there. |
| 06:49.24 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Nechckn |
| 06:49.24 | purl | eats Nechckn's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 06:49.34 | Nechckn | =) |
| 06:49.52 | Nechckn | don't get me started on that floozy purl |
| 06:50.07 | NightHawkTheSane | http://technabob.com/blog/2008/09/26/katamari-wedding-cake-with-this-ring-i-thee-roll/ |
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| 06:54.28 | Cidan | ~lart Shirik|Ghost |
| 06:54.28 | purl | slaps a compatible dib on Shirik|Ghost's head |
| 06:54.49 | Cidan | Does anyone know of a quick and dirty way to convert y/pb/pr to DVI? |
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| 07:11.26 | Arrowmaster | Cidan: its possible to convert y/pb/pr to DVI-A probably if your monitor supports sync on green im guessing but the signal will likely be completely messed up on colors |
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| 09:16.26 | Mundy | so i created a frame with an edit box |
| 09:16.33 | Mundy | but whenever the frame is on screen |
| 09:16.43 | Mundy | the editbox cant lose focus or w/e |
| 09:17.01 | Mundy | is there some attribute i need to give it or event i need to have? |
| 09:20.41 | haste | you need to set a script handler to release the focus |
| 09:24.43 | cladhaire | and turn off auto focus |
| 09:25.02 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/EditBox/SetAutoFocus |
| 09:25.04 | cladhaire | as well as |
| 09:25.34 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/EditBox |
| 09:25.37 | cladhaire | err |
| 09:25.43 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnEscapePressed |
| 09:25.45 | cladhaire | there we go :P |
| 09:25.52 | cladhaire | is how its typically done |
| 09:25.54 | haste | OnEnterPressed is nice also |
| 09:25.58 | cladhaire | aye |
| 09:26.07 | cladhaire | and they just self:ClearFocus() |
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| 09:32.40 | Mundy | ahk, thanks |
| 09:32.47 | Mundy | knew it had to be something like that |
| 09:38.45 | bleeter | noar oceanic server timezone rerd mage!!!!!! RAAAR |
| 09:39.14 | zenzio | what does the mage have to do with it? |
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| 09:39.52 | lolinternet | hold on |
| 09:39.55 | lolinternet | that shouldn't happen |
| 09:39.57 | lolinternet | stupid outjoin |
| 09:40.00 | lolinternet | *autojoin |
| 09:40.19 | Cidan | lolinternet |
| 09:40.22 | zenzio | lolinternet... lolinternet... now that's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time... |
| 09:40.27 | bleeter | zenzio: wrath is about mages, and it damn well should be fixed by the time we come outta summertime |
| 09:40.29 | lolinternet | you shouldn't use a nickname join to ban me tho. bye! |
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| 09:41.08 | Cidan | eh? |
| 09:41.15 | nevcairiel | haha from looking at the banlist i just noticed, you guys silenced polarina .. nice =P |
| 09:42.02 | Cidan | Why? |
| 09:42.23 | zenzio | because she took every opportunity to get on everyone's nerves |
| 09:42.44 | Cidan | Wow |
| 09:42.51 | Cidan | I'm gone for like, 7 months |
| 09:42.54 | Cidan | and shit is all crazy. |
| 09:43.07 | haste | lies |
| 09:43.12 | zenzio | we were doing fine without you ;-p |
| 09:43.13 | nevcairiel | it always was crazy |
| 09:43.15 | Cidan | Polarina was nice enough to me |
| 09:43.32 | Cidan | and sag_ich_nicht is banned? lolwut. |
| 09:43.50 | zenzio | god forbid someone not rate her addons max, you'd never hear the end of it |
| 09:44.05 | cladhaire | Cidan: did you see my new addon? |
| 09:44.08 | cladhaire | zenzio: did you see my new addon? |
| 09:44.11 | cladhaire | Nechckn: did you see my new addon? |
| 09:44.17 | Cidan | hah. |
| 09:44.18 | cladhaire | bleeter: did you see my new addon? |
| 09:44.21 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 09:45.12 | haste | see, all crazy |
| 09:45.20 | Cidan | Seems so |
| 09:45.42 | Cidan | I still did /join #wowi-lounge, because I couldn't remember the new channel's name. |
| 09:45.50 | bleeter | cladhaire: yes, and i burninated it |
| 09:46.05 | cladhaire | i can't download "I am murloc" for my GH3 |
| 09:46.08 | cladhaire | cause its mac =/ |
| 09:46.35 | Nechckn | Hrm... "new" you say? |
| 09:47.03 | Cidan | cladhaire: You coming back to the states for Blizzcon? |
| 09:47.12 | cladhaire | I can't =( |
| 09:47.19 | Cidan | Shame |
| 09:47.23 | cladhaire | i know |
| 09:47.24 | Fisker- | Anyone here remember that link to that sexist battleship game? >:3 |
| 09:47.26 | Cidan | I would have gone, just for you. D= |
| 09:47.47 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 09:47.53 | cladhaire | you missed the lua workshop tho |
| 09:47.57 | cladhaire | when i was in dc for my talk |
| 09:48.02 | Cidan | no shit |
| 09:48.03 | Cidan | wtf |
| 09:48.12 | cladhaire | shirik came and we chillaxed. |
| 09:48.19 | Cidan | God damn, I wish I would have known |
| 09:48.25 | Cidan | Where in DC? |
| 09:48.37 | cladhaire | it was at GW |
| 09:48.39 | Nechckn | I wanted to meet up with 'em but they blew me off, Cidan |
| 09:48.43 | Cidan | Oh neat. |
| 09:48.44 | Nechckn | bastards.... |
| 09:48.55 | Nechckn | ;-) |
| 09:49.03 | cladhaire | Nechckn: hey, i was in the states for like 2 weeks, cut me some slack :P |
| 09:49.04 | Cidan | Naww, Shirik and cladhaire would never blow you off |
| 09:49.14 | Cidan | well, wait, I take that back |
| 09:49.19 | Cidan | ANYWAY |
| 09:49.21 | Nechckn | lol... |
| 09:49.31 | Cidan | Shirik, I haven't seen him (in person) in like, a year? |
| 09:49.38 | cladhaire | I should put the word "dis-embed" on my notify list, so I can kill people who say it |
| 09:49.58 | Cidan | dis-embed? |
| 09:50.01 | Cidan | is that even a word? |
| 09:50.22 | Fisker- | deembedding ftw |
| 09:50.41 | Nechckn | come now, there are so many "not words" that fly around, it's not funny. |
| 09:50.59 | cladhaire | yeah but thats the worst |
| 09:51.06 | cladhaire | i want to stab myself in the face every time i see it |
| 09:51.07 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 09:51.12 | Nechckn | oh my |
| 09:51.14 | cladhaire | Vegeta Saga I burnt, win! |
| 09:51.38 | Cidan | hah |
| 09:51.40 | zenzio | so what's "dis-embed" supposed to mean? To not embed something? |
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| 09:51.46 | Cidan | OH SHIT |
| 09:51.49 | Cidan | IS THAT THE MAN |
| 09:51.52 | Cidan | or is that like |
| 09:51.56 | Cidan | his client auto logging on? |
| 09:52.06 | cladhaire | zenzio: its to take something that is meant to be embedded.. and un-embed it |
| 09:52.11 | cladhaire | in the context of addons and libraries |
| 09:52.13 | cladhaire | and i hates it. |
| 09:52.15 | Shirik|Ecole | fake man |
| 09:52.19 | Cidan | s/un-embed/dis-embed/ |
| 09:52.19 | Shirik|Ecole | actually this is the man that just missed his flight and got on a better one instead |
| 09:52.21 | Shirik|Ecole | not quite sure how that worked out, but I'm ok with it |
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| 09:52.30 | cladhaire | schweet Shirik |
| 09:52.41 | Cidan | Shirik: Where are you flying out of? |
| 09:53.03 | Shirik | I missed my 6 AM flight by 5 minutes (can't check in bags after 45 minutes before), so they put me on a 7:20 flight that arrives about 1 hour earlier (no more connection, just direct flight) |
| 09:53.06 | Shirik | orlando |
| 09:53.23 | Cidan | well hey, neat. |
| 09:53.43 | Shirik | also hi |
| 09:53.46 | Shirik | so you didn't die huh? |
| 09:53.46 | Cidan | hi |
| 09:53.49 | Cidan | Nah |
| 09:53.58 | Cidan | Busy, busy busy. |
| 09:54.04 | Shirik | I know what you mean |
| 09:54.09 | zenzio | speaking of dying, what happened to Conspiracy? |
| 09:54.16 | Cidan | Moved out, broke up with girlfriend, uh, school, school, and more school. |
| 09:54.31 | Cidan | zenzio: actually, just installed it, was coding on it today, lol. |
| 09:54.51 | Shirik | what happened to conspiracy: www.ecocarchallenge.org |
| 09:54.58 | Shirik | at least on my end :) |
| 09:55.17 | zenzio | you're powering an eco car on a WoW UI? Now that's crazy |
| 09:55.25 | Shirik | ... |
| 09:55.45 | Cidan | lol |
| 09:56.01 | Shirik | I am, at this very instant, still working on documentation which is due today. At an airport. |
| 09:56.04 | Shirik | That's how packed my schedule is >< |
| 09:56.22 | Cidan | The price we pay |
| 09:56.55 | Shirik | currently 86 pages |
| 09:57.01 | Shirik | requirements document |
| 09:57.08 | Shirik | just says what we're going to do, nothing about how |
| 09:57.08 | Cidan | Good luck, :/ |
| 09:57.13 | Shirik | oh it's done :) |
| 09:57.19 | Shirik | I'm just reviewing it before giving it my stamp |
| 09:57.19 | Cidan | Oh, then, uh, well done? |
| 09:57.42 | Shirik | Reason why I do this review |
| 09:57.46 | Shirik | can anyone see what's wrong with this page? |
| 09:58.07 | Cidan | Sure |
| 09:58.09 | Cidan | It's invisible. |
| 09:59.32 | Shirik | omg my verizon card's upload speed is crap |
| 09:59.43 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/0ce1ea141f2ac993ba3d63e70dedde93.jpg |
| 10:00.31 | zenzio | "EcoEagles"? |
| 10:00.39 | Cidan | uhm |
| 10:00.40 | Fisker- | non-commercial? >:3 |
| 10:00.42 | Cidan | figure numbers? |
| 10:00.56 | Shirik | yeah |
| 10:00.57 | Cidan | 1 2 3 4, 5 missing, 6 7, 8 missing, 9 |
| 10:00.59 | cladhaire | lrn2latex |
| 10:01.01 | zenzio | seems like you have a very large flow chart |
| 10:01.01 | Shirik | yes.... |
| 10:01.02 | cladhaire | loser |
| 10:01.12 | Shirik | cladhaire: Tell that to the mechanical engineers |
| 10:01.15 | Shirik | They can't even use calculator |
| 10:01.22 | cladhaire | mechanicalengineers: lrn2latex |
| 10:01.26 | Shirik | however I have to admit, we were up until about midnight last night.... |
| 10:01.27 | Shirik | and |
| 10:01.36 | Shirik | we wanted pizza... so we wanted the best cost for pizza |
| 10:01.43 | Shirik | so we used matlab to calculate which pizza we should get / |
| 10:01.44 | Shirik | :/ |
| 10:01.53 | Cidan | ... |
| 10:01.59 | Shirik | That was Mech Eng. idea >.> |
| 10:02.01 | Cidan | That's so, so fucking nerdy. |
| 10:02.04 | Cidan | Well done! |
| 10:02.05 | Shirik | I know >< |
| 10:02.16 | Cidan | I proud to know you, really. |
| 10:02.29 | Cidan | You know, TG was asking about you today actually. |
| 10:02.53 | Cidan | Geld misses you, I think. |
| 10:03.03 | Shirik | Another question: How the hell does this get through editing: "Their goal is to acquire new employees from the participants of this project if these participents show qualities that are desirable." |
| 10:03.16 | Cidan | lol |
| 10:03.20 | Shirik | YOU HAVE A MASSIVE RED UNDERLINE |
| 10:03.22 | Shirik | pay attention |
| 10:03.44 | Cidan | How do they miss that? |
| 10:04.42 | Shirik | I like our definitions |
| 10:04.51 | Shirik | 2.2.2.5 2.2.2.5Database Interfacer: A piece of software that communicates to the database using the predefined database application programming interface (API). |
| 10:05.20 | WobWork | http://www.bigredkitty.net/wp-content/movies/BRKRhinoBowlingNagrandFull.mov |
| 10:05.28 | Shirik | Funny thing is, I shouldn't even be doing this. I'm controls team lead. There's someone under me that manages this team. For some reason I'm doing that manager's job right now >.> |
| 10:05.32 | Cidan | deask? |
| 10:05.33 | WobWork | hehe BRK did some good video editing on the timing of that video |
| 10:05.57 | Cidan | Shirik: Get rid of them, *shrug* |
| 10:07.16 | Shirik | deask = how much this document has wrecked my brain in spelling |
| 10:12.01 | Shirik | Requirement 4.3.14CAN BusA n intelligent module shall read data from the database. |
| 10:12.07 | Shirik | I don't even know what that's supposed to mean |
| 10:13.28 | zenzio | clearly Bus A of the CAN is reading data from the database |
| 10:14.06 | Shirik | firstly, the CAN bus is a bus, period. It doesn't "do" anything except connect things together |
| 10:14.15 | Shirik | secondly, there is no bus "A" |
| 10:14.47 | zenzio | all right, then the "CAN Bus" is "an intelligent module, and shall read data from the database"? |
| 10:15.09 | [SW]Dodge | Shirik: you just dont know that there is a Bus "A" :O |
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| 10:17.11 | Shirik|Ecole | and apparently I shall get disconnected |
| 10:17.53 | zenzio | I stick by my second theory, "an intelligent module, shall read [...]" |
| 10:19.09 | Shirik | This is nice |
| 10:19.11 | Shirik | XM© Satellite Radio/Traffic Tuner |
| 10:19.18 | Shirik | I didn't realize you could copyright brand names |
| 10:22.30 | molgar | is it possible to make a function that find the "KEY" from the table if i know the "VALUE"? |
| 10:23.35 | haste | local l = function(tab, val) for k, v in pairs(tab) do if(v == val) then return k end end end |
| 10:33.21 | molgar | thx :D |
| 10:34.51 | Shirik | so Cidan |
| 10:34.55 | Shirik | what are you doing up at this hour? |
| 10:36.08 | haste | ~ugt |
| 10:36.09 | purl | ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 10:36.12 | haste | ! |
| 10:36.20 | Shirik | he is never entering nor leaving! |
| 10:36.27 | Shirik | Therefore he's on the time zone that I know he's in, eastern :P |
| 10:36.34 | haste | lies |
| 10:36.51 | Shirik | though it would appear his conciousness has already left and he has gone to sleep |
| 10:37.17 | haste | no no no! just ignoring you |
| 10:37.26 | Shirik | oh :( ok |
| 10:40.25 | Fisker- | ~uft |
| 10:40.25 | purl | Universal Fisker Time, it's whatever time he says, anyone else will be shot on sight, even if it's the same time as Fisker's time. |
| 10:40.26 | Fisker- | btw |
| 10:40.38 | Shirik | ~factinfo uft |
| 10:40.38 | purl | uft -- created by Fisker- <i=xD@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk> at Sat Dec 1 20:02:22 2007 (312 days); last modified at Sun Aug 24 19:29:08 2008 by nevcairiel; it has been requested 20 times, last by Fisker-, 13s ago. |
| 10:40.56 | Fisker- | who would've thought? >:3 |
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| 10:42.19 | Shirik | why the hell is there 10MB OF NOTHING on my SVN server |
| 10:42.25 | Shirik | I need to check out an empty project |
| 10:42.32 | Shirik | and apparently there's 10MB of "how to use SVN" on it |
| 10:42.38 | Shirik | no actual project files |
| 10:43.09 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 10:43.24 | zenzio | be glad you're not working with the newspaper website I am; their development server has only a 28 GB harddrive, shared between several developers, and their SVN is full of several-MB PDF files that everyone has checked out |
| 10:43.28 | Cide | hi |
| 10:44.11 | Shirik | At revision: 2 |
| 10:44.12 | Shirik | FINALLY |
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| 10:46.48 | Shirik|Ecole | I would have killed someone if the checkout didn't complete before I disconnected |
| 10:47.15 | Fisker- | i would've been happy to take you up on that offer >:3 |
| 10:51.04 | Fisker- | zomg |
| 10:51.07 | Fisker- | pc piracy wins again |
| 10:52.15 | Fisker- | Xbox 360Fallout 3 *REVIEW COPY* (c) Bethesda Softworks <-in b4 that if the PC version gets pirated, then they'll take the fall rather than this 3-week pre-release of the xbawks versions |
| 10:58.31 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 10:58.37 | Fisker- | When did Blizzard remove realmlist.wtf? |
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| 11:53.42 | Arrowmaster | in 3.0 |
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| 12:21.17 | Nom- | ugh anyone else getting lag spikes in beta ? |
| 12:21.35 | Nom- | PC lag...like running around, drops to 2-3 fps for 2-3 seconds then goes back to full frames |
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| 12:39.19 | Nom- | argh... no matter what video quality, still having lag spikes :( |
| 12:40.21 | zenzio | it's only on beta, not live/outside the game? |
| 12:40.29 | cbreak | I seriously doubt it's a graphic problem |
| 12:40.36 | cbreak | it's most likely related with load time |
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| 12:46.52 | WobWork | are there many bop jc recipes? |
| 12:47.16 | Arrowmaster | tons |
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| 12:48.36 | zenzio | BoP recipes or recipes for BoP items? |
| 12:48.56 | cbreak | there are some bop items created via JC |
| 12:49.10 | zenzio | which is exactly why I'm asking |
| 12:49.14 | WobWork | recipes |
| 12:50.19 | zenzio | I do seem to recall a bunch of BoP recipes dropping all over BC |
| 12:52.29 | cbreak | many of the vendor recipees are BoP |
| 12:53.02 | WobWork | I guess my question is more "JC recipes that drop in instances" =) |
| 12:53.12 | WobWork | or recipes that aren't easy to gain solo |
| 12:53.44 | zenzio | the 5-man ones didn't seem particularly hard to get, maybe the 25-man drops were a bit worse |
| 12:54.16 | Nom- | well that lag is almost completely gone with graphics on lowest |
| 12:54.20 | Nom- | so i think it's a texture loading bug |
| 12:54.56 | cbreak | maybe it's not a bug |
| 12:55.01 | cbreak | but just a preformance limitation |
| 12:55.54 | WobWork | I guess I've hardly ever seen them drop in instances |
| 12:56.30 | zenzio | I'm guessing you're a jewelcrafter yourself? |
| 12:56.36 | Nom- | I don't know what from then.. aside from my CPU, everything is way over required spec |
| 12:57.24 | zenzio | been a while now, the recipes seemed to drop fairly often when there was a jewelcrafter in the group; but I ran the instances a million times back then so it could be poor memory |
| 12:57.31 | cbreak | GPU transfer speed? RAM? |
| 12:57.39 | cbreak | hard disk speed? |
| 12:58.11 | Nom- | 4GB RAM 667 DDR2 |
| 12:58.30 | WobWork | I guess I don't run with enough JCs |
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| 13:05.46 | Nom- | memory bandwidth... that's a possibility i guess |
| 13:06.02 | Nom- | seems unlikely, but given i can't see anything abnormal anywhere else |
| 13:07.04 | Nom- | I don't know if you can even measure that, can you? :/ |
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| 13:39.46 | WobWork | http://www.todayandtomorrow.net/2008/09/29/augmented-space/ |
| 13:44.10 | clad|away | has the release date been made official? |
| 13:45.01 | cladhaire | for 3.x i mean |
| 13:45.18 | Xinhuan | not that i know of |
| 13:45.45 | Xinhuan | but eyonix posted that "end of season 4 will coincide with patch 3.0" and some other blue posted when end of season is - oct 14 |
| 13:45.51 | Xinhuan | so most ppl are just predicting this tues |
| 13:46.04 | cladhaire | yeah, that's not good enough for me :P |
| 13:46.13 | cladhaire | and that's what I figured |
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| 13:46.25 | cladhaire | but someone posted in my comments that oct 15th was confirmed on the official (EU i assume) forums |
| 13:51.07 | Wikwocket | Does anyone know if the return values of http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsInInstance are localized in other language clients? |
| 13:52.37 | cladhaire | thats a good question |
| 13:52.50 | cladhaire | I doubt it, since they aren't meant for display |
| 13:52.56 | cladhaire | and there's quite a prescedent for it |
| 13:53.06 | Wikwocket | Hmm |
| 13:53.06 | cladhaire | it shoudl read "arena" on any client, regardless of language.. |
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| 13:53.35 | Xinhuan | its not localized |
| 13:53.51 | kneeki | Morning all |
| 13:53.53 | Xinhuan | as several of my addons use IsInInstance() and works in multiple locales |
| 13:54.02 | Wikwocket | That'd be great, one less step to localize this mod :) |
| 13:57.30 | Seerah | 1 sleep! |
| 13:58.25 | Fisker- | 2! |
| 13:58.42 | Seerah | 2? |
| 13:58.53 | Fisker- | Perhaps |
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| 14:27.03 | Wikwocket | I love how updating my mod on WoWI is a one-page form, one click <3 |
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| 14:27.54 | cbreak | I would prefer to just do a git push and be done... :) |
| 14:28.28 | Wikwocket | I like to zip the files and post the changelog myself, I have really simple mods |
| 14:28.47 | cladhaire | the svn push page is really nice |
| 14:28.53 | cladhaire | does the zip for you, you can download and verify and post the changelog |
| 14:29.00 | cladhaire | and git support is coming from what I hear :P |
| 14:29.10 | cladhaire | I don't like pushing via tags |
| 14:29.18 | cladhaire | there's no way to verify the file that is zipped is correct, etc. |
| 14:29.28 | cladhaire | I don't trust any packager.. I prefer to make sure stuff works |
| 14:29.41 | cbreak | I use git archive to make the zips |
| 14:31.08 | zenzelezz | I keep gits away from my code as much as I can |
| 14:32.08 | Wikwocket | Well, for those of us who manually zip and update, I love the WoWInterface system. Someday I should learn to use svn or something... |
| 14:32.36 | krka | ant build file for creating releases FTW |
| 14:33.19 | cladhaire | krka: hehe |
| 14:33.30 | cladhaire | ant is nice but requires the kitchen sink =. |
| 14:34.25 | Atriace | I can't seem to register my frame for OnUpdate. I know how to do it with XML, but I wanted to do 100% Lua. Could someone take a look and tell me why this method doesn't work? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97882 |
| 14:35.08 | zenzelezz | is the frame shown by default? Can't remember |
| 14:35.33 | Atriace | I do believe all frames are visible by default upon creation. |
| 14:38.35 | cladhaire | I have no idea what db.OnUpdate is |
| 14:38.39 | cladhaire | you shoudl test with a simpel function |
| 14:38.43 | cladhaire | rather than jumping in head first |
| 14:39.54 | Atriace | db.OnUpdate is a nested function inside LibStub |
| 14:40.13 | cladhaire | well, how about you use something simple first.. |
| 14:40.33 | cladhaire | something we can see |
| 14:40.34 | Atriace | I've used this method successfully for the rest the mod (10 other functions with their own tables, etc...) |
| 14:40.43 | cladhaire | then paste the function |
| 14:40.46 | cladhaire | us not being able to see it doesn't help.. |
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| 14:41.37 | krka | cladhaire: nah, ant doesn't require much |
| 14:41.41 | krka | apt-get install ant is usually enough |
| 14:41.57 | krka | i get by with the built in tasks mostly |
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| 14:53.32 | kneeki | How do I return the value of the 2nd item in this table? t = { item1 = true, item2 = false } |
| 14:53.40 | kneeki | t[2] does not seem to be working =\ |
| 14:54.15 | kneeki | >lua t = { item1 = true, item2 = false }; print(t[2]) |
| 14:54.24 | kneeki | dang it, how does that work? |
| 14:54.34 | haste | that's because you have it under the index item2 |
| 14:55.20 | kneeki | haste: Good point. |
| 14:55.23 | kneeki | Hmm, bummer |
| 14:58.06 | Adys | lua> t={true,false} print(t[2]) |
| 14:58.06 | lua_bot | Adys: false |
| 14:58.15 | kneeki | oh |
| 14:58.21 | kneeki | I had the > on the wrong side =\ |
| 14:58.39 | Adys | lua> t={"item1"=true, "item2"=false} print(t["item2"]) |
| 14:58.39 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 14:58.56 | Adys | grr |
| 14:58.57 | Adys | lua> t={["item1"]=true, ["item2"]=false} print(t["item2"]) |
| 14:58.57 | lua_bot | Adys: false |
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| 15:20.38 | Nom- | I get the feeling that 3.0.x won't be going live on Tuesday |
| 15:20.55 | Nom- | It's now Thursday, and we've still got stupid and obvious bugs in the build lol |
| 15:21.39 | Nom- | My favorite is the JoL bug... i almost outhealed our healer, and i was ret spec doing nothing but heals by JoL |
| 15:24.39 | Fisker- | I think there's even more than that |
| 15:24.47 | Fisker- | But i still think they'll let it go live |
| 15:25.01 | jaxdahl2 | as long as there aren't gamebreaking bugs |
| 15:25.17 | jaxdahl2 | like the weapon damage stacking bugs |
| 15:26.10 | Xinhuan | there is the druid banish/cyclone bug that gives +300% healing aura |
| 15:26.18 | Xinhuan | that's super gamebreaking :) |
| 15:27.04 | Fisker- | should be fixed though |
| 15:27.12 | Fisker- | And those bugs are probably already fixed |
| 15:27.15 | Fisker- | The other ones that is |
| 15:27.30 | Xinhuan | doubt it, blue posted they couldn't reproduce it reliably |
| 15:27.50 | Xinhuan | but ppl have replied they can reprodce it |
| 15:28.10 | Fisker- | The thread i read had users replying that it didn't work anymore |
| 15:28.54 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10544540985&sid=2000 |
| 15:28.55 | jaxdahl2 | achievements aren't coming until wotlk, right? |
| 15:28.56 | Xinhuan | page 2 |
| 15:29.00 | jaxdahl2 | or are they going to be in 3.0.2? |
| 15:29.10 | Fisker- | They expect it in 3.0.2 |
| 15:29.14 | jaxdahl2 | hrm. |
| 15:29.14 | Fisker- | But it may not make until WotLK |
| 15:29.19 | Xinhuan | many ppl still reproducing it |
| 15:29.39 | jaxdahl2 | i wonder what their stance will be on rolling back major achievements obtained by bug exploiting |
| 15:29.46 | Fisker- | Ah ok new information since |
| 15:29.54 | Fisker- | But "Not being able to reproduce it" may just mean they fixed it |
| 15:31.12 | Nom- | well JoL one is kinda scary |
| 15:31.31 | Nom- | 100% proc chance, and it's ticking for ~ 900 healing with 5-man buffs |
| 15:36.29 | Nom- | I assume (hope) it's come around because blizz is putting some nifty calculation into JoW / JoL to make it return an amount based on attack speed |
| 15:36.46 | kneeki | Is there still a discord mods website floating about? So I can see some UI's? |
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| 15:43.27 | Hjalte | kneeki: Go look at UIs on sites like elitistjerks or wowace (maybe wowinterface has a thread too?) where they have threads in their forums with pictures of different UIs and what addons they used to make them. |
| 15:44.28 | kneeki | hmm |
| 15:44.33 | kneeki | I dont really need help with addons |
| 15:44.36 | kneeki | I just need textures |
| 15:44.40 | kneeki | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=103819#post103819 |
| 15:50.17 | alcaras | LibSharedMedia has a nice set of textures |
| 15:50.32 | kneeki | Oh? |
| 15:50.39 | alcaras | But, looking at your post, not the sort you're looking for |
| 15:50.48 | alcaras | I see you want to have an artistic looking UI |
| 15:51.01 | kneeki | Well, a 'prettied up' UI =) |
| 15:51.22 | alcaras | Yah; LibSharedMedia doesn't textures for that :p |
| 15:51.28 | Hjalte | kneeki: I've had troubles finding textures myself sometimes, in the end I've found pretty layouts and stolen their textures. They're hard to come by though. |
| 15:51.38 | kneeki | I'm not interested in using bar mods of extensive UI overhauls... Just a few textures =) |
| 15:51.43 | kneeki | Hjalte: Mhmm |
| 15:51.47 | alcaras | <nod> Well, sorry can't help you there :-/ |
| 15:51.55 | kneeki | lol it's np |
| 15:52.00 | Hjalte | kneeki: Tried looking at http://www.wowtextures.com/? |
| 15:52.17 | kneeki | Yeah |
| 15:52.25 | kneeki | But since Discord died, it has not had much love |
| 15:52.38 | Hjalte | Yeah, I know, it's an awful site. |
| 15:52.48 | kneeki | Well, it had great potential |
| 15:53.00 | kneeki | But its life blood was Discord |
| 15:53.27 | kneeki | I would really like to find someone hosting the discord site now though, all those download packs they had would be a great resource |
| 15:53.57 | Hjalte | I had these pretty flowers and a butterfly once, I liked those textures. But at some point, it's a question of how much you want to see of this melee mob hitting you from behind when you're doing an instance... |
| 15:54.19 | kneeki | Very true |
| 15:54.26 | kneeki | Which is why I'm giving the option of Choice |
| 15:54.45 | kneeki | Or maybe even 'fade during combat' or something would be neat |
| 15:55.09 | cbreak | The ui is needed during combat. Fade out of combat would be more useful. |
| 15:55.16 | Hjalte | kneeki: Wouldn't kgpanels do something like what you are about to write? |
| 15:55.22 | kneeki | cbreak: Isn't that what I said? |
| 15:55.42 | cbreak | it's the opposite of what you said :) |
| 15:55.48 | kneeki | cbreak: lol oh |
| 15:56.17 | kneeki | Hjalte: Yes, and no. Mine is going to be a much 'dumber' version of that I think |
| 15:56.50 | kneeki | Mine is just going to be a quick way to add an artsy or different feel on your UI |
| 15:57.04 | kneeki | Not a replacement of windows and having bar mods be a requirement |
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| 16:06.52 | Atriace | lua> a={ "brute", "force", (a[1].." "..a[2])} print(a[3]) |
| 16:06.52 | lua_bot | Atriace: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'a' (a nil value) |
| 16:07.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah people |
| 16:07.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10972069162&sid=1 |
| 16:07.45 | Atriace | lua> a={ "brute", "force"}; a[3]=(a[1].." "..a[2]); print(a[3]) |
| 16:07.45 | lua_bot | Atriace: brute force |
| 16:09.10 | Atriace | lua> a={ "brute", "force"}; a[3]=(a[1].." "..a[2]); for k,v in pairs(a) do print(k..": "..v) end |
| 16:09.10 | lua_bot | Atriace: 1: brute, 2: force, 3: brute force |
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| 16:36.03 | Josh_Borke | woohoo! i reached level 1 on project euler |
| 16:36.21 | haste | gz! |
| 16:36.29 | haste | soon max level den |
| 16:36.33 | Josh_Borke | rofl |
| 16:36.38 | Josh_Borke | and by soon you mean in 50 years? |
| 16:36.55 | haste | depends on the time you used! |
| 16:37.08 | Josh_Borke | obviously in bird yeras, i mean really |
| 16:39.00 | Josh_Borke | i am 18 in teh number of lua users |
| 16:39.23 | haste | dunno what I am, pretty low I guess : |
| 16:39.56 | haste | I'm avoiding euler atm :p |
| 16:40.10 | Josh_Borke | 2,357,207 is a lot of digits in a number |
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| 16:44.39 | haste | a fuck you Josh_Borke |
| 16:44.49 | Josh_Borke | haste: eh? why's that? |
| 16:44.59 | haste | now I need to do some euler problems |
| 16:45.06 | Josh_Borke | i mean really, that's just random |
| 16:45.18 | haste | no it isn't :p |
| 16:45.21 | Josh_Borke | and uncalled for :-P |
| 16:46.00 | haste | wish I didn't have this urge so solve such problems :( |
| 16:46.06 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 16:50.11 | Josh_Borke | i'mma do 52 |
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| 17:07.15 | foxlit | ~slashdot |
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| 17:21.01 | Lunessa | STATION! |
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| 17:25.04 | Jordan | Hi, can anoyone give me a link to change the colour of the text in WoW? |
| 17:25.54 | ScytheBlade1 | What text? |
| 17:26.03 | Jordan | Just all of it |
| 17:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Uhh |
| 17:26.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Every piece of text on the entire UI? |
| 17:26.18 | Jordan | No |
| 17:26.25 | Jordan | The text i say |
| 17:26.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ... could you be a bit more specific? |
| 17:26.48 | Jordan | Um |
| 17:27.12 | Syzgyn | You know you have a good burger when the grease permeates through the foil wrapper |
| 17:27.25 | Jordan | Like on the chat area in the bottom left corner of the screen on WoW |
| 17:27.34 | Jordan | My writing will show a different colour |
| 17:27.46 | Syzgyn | All text? Just your text? |
| 17:27.51 | Jordan | Just my text |
| 17:27.58 | ScytheBlade1 | On your screen, or on everyone's screens? |
| 17:28.00 | Lunessa | Jordan... Right-click the chat tab, and select colors from the menu |
| 17:28.32 | Jordan | On wow? |
| 17:28.44 | Esine | Lunessa, I don't think you can choose the color of your own messages that way |
| 17:28.48 | Esine | only color per type |
| 17:29.14 | Esine | Jordan, you'd need an addon for that |
| 17:29.18 | Jordan | So my text will show up like red on everyones screen |
| 17:29.20 | Lunessa | You can change to color you see /say, etc. in. You can't change your own messages except for /tell. And even then, it's only for you. |
| 17:29.23 | Esine | oh |
| 17:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Not possible |
| 17:29.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Without installing an addon on everyone who sees your text |
| 17:29.38 | Jordan | Yea, i need an addon |
| 17:29.47 | ScytheBlade1 | They would all need to install it |
| 17:29.58 | Jordan | Nop, i saw someone doing it today |
| 17:30.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 17:30.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That |
| 17:30.05 | Syzgyn | The raid leader? |
| 17:30.17 | Syzgyn | or BG leader |
| 17:30.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Good question, was this in a raid or otherwise? |
| 17:30.21 | Jordan | Nope |
| 17:30.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 17:30.26 | Jordan | Just /say |
| 17:30.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I thought |
| 17:30.39 | ScytheBlade1 | tl;dr that's a mild sploit in the chat parsing code |
| 17:30.39 | Syzgyn | someone was getting their /say to be a different color? |
| 17:30.43 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 17:30.47 | Jordan | Yes |
| 17:30.53 | Syzgyn | you can get an escape sequence through? |
| 17:30.55 | Lunessa | color codes get stripped out before the chat gets sent. |
| 17:30.59 | ScytheBlade1 | You're limited to grey, green, yellow, orange, and red |
| 17:31.20 | Jordan | Nah, nvm ill go find the addon |
| 17:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Jordan: in short, that shouldn't be possible but only is due to a bug in the code. You'll likely get no help here as a result. |
| 17:31.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not an addon |
| 17:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:31.33 | Syzgyn | SBO: Share? :P |
| 17:31.36 | ScytheBlade1 | No :P |
| 17:31.41 | Syzgyn | No fun |
| 17:31.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ truth |
| 17:32.36 | Lunessa | That's my line. |
| 17:32.39 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 17:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Two things about that... (1) it's really only the "kiddies" doing that (ie the script kiddies) and (2) I'm 20, no kids |
| 17:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | So not quite yet ;) |
| 17:33.13 | Syzgyn | Ha, I beat you, although only just :P |
| 17:33.37 | Syzgyn | And yea, I figured as much about (1) |
| 17:34.01 | Lunessa | You kids! Get off my lawn! |
| 17:34.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa has a place to yell it at us |
| 17:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | We can just have him yell for us |
| 17:34.27 | Lunessa | mmm... bacon |
| 17:34.31 | Syzgyn | Baconator! |
| 17:34.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally had a bacon wrapped hot dog a bit ago. |
| 17:34.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Threw it on the grill |
| 17:34.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmmmmmmmmm |
| 17:35.13 | Syzgyn | I wonder if I can find the fried, bacon wrapped monstrosity I saw a while ago |
| 17:35.21 | Lunessa | Everything is better with bacon. |
| 17:35.53 | Syzgyn | http://www.lastappetite.com/french-fry-coated-bacon-on-a-stick/ |
| 17:36.27 | Syzgyn | Just the title makes my arteries clog up |
| 17:36.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I really wouldn't mind trying one |
| 17:36.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "Tasted. I feel ill and so very, very dirty." |
| 17:36.52 | |pez| | the bacon doesn't look done. :\ |
| 17:37.01 | Syzgyn | Then theres Bacon wrapped, cheese filled, fried hotdogs -- http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/post_135 |
| 17:37.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/50781821@N00/1327330914/ |
| 17:37.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmmm, piles of meat |
| 17:37.40 | Lunessa | I can feel my arteries hardening. |
| 17:38.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wow |
| 17:38.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Cheese filled hot dogs wrapped in bacon |
| 17:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been 1 up'd |
| 17:38.33 | brykrys | is that deep fried in batter? |
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| 17:38.39 | Syzgyn | Yep |
| 17:38.45 | brykrys | cool :) |
| 17:39.04 | Jelly-School | ~hug |
| 17:39.04 | purl | ACTION hugs jelly-school |
| 17:39.16 | ScytheBlade1 | She would later exclaim, ?once you get the grease off, they?re not bad!? |
| 17:39.17 | Jelly-School | ~hug Cairenn |
| 17:39.17 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn |
| 17:39.17 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 17:39.24 | Jelly-School | That'll work! |
| 17:39.44 | Syzgyn | Oh |
| 17:39.49 | Syzgyn | not only fried in batter |
| 17:39.54 | Syzgyn | fried in beer-batter |
| 17:40.37 | Lunessa | Oh god, my heart, it's slowing. |
| 17:41.43 | Jelly-School | ... |
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| 17:42.34 | Lunessa | I can /feel/ the grease blockages. |
| 17:42.49 | Lunessa | And all I'm doing is looking at the images. |
| 17:43.17 | Jelly-School | ? |
| 17:43.30 | Syzgyn | <Syzgyn> Then theres Bacon wrapped, cheese filled, fried hotdogs -- http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/post_135 |
| 17:46.11 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, i love the stranger. |
| 17:47.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm really curious what could happen if they used a higher quality cheese than just the generic stuff in a can |
| 17:48.01 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: I can feel death crawling in those things |
| 17:48.11 | Syzgyn | I know, its awesome. |
| 17:50.21 | Lunessa | That crap isn't cheese. |
| 17:51.37 | Tornhoof | is there any function in wow to get the currently pressed key? |
| 17:51.42 | NightHawkTheSane | true, but i imagine it would be far more difficult to get REAL cheese inside a hot dog |
| 17:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Ehh |
| 17:51.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Heat it up a fair bit |
| 17:51.56 | NeoTron | actually |
| 17:52.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Wouldn't be hard |
| 17:52.23 | NeoTron | the cheese on a can is more "real cheese" (cheddar typically) than "american cheese" that so many americans like |
| 17:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That cheese is crap |
| 17:52.35 | Chompers | cheez |
| 17:52.38 | Lunessa | Tornhoof: There's API for IsShiftKey, IsAltKey, IsCtrlKey etc... and IsModiferKeyDown |
| 17:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's equally fake |
| 17:52.44 | NeoTron | actually not quite :P |
| 17:52.48 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: true, but i loathe both. |
| 17:53.02 | Lunessa | I prefer real cheddar or such. |
| 17:53.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 17:53.13 | Tornhoof | so to actually get which modifier key is down, i have to query isshift, isalt etc and do my own stuff, duh |
| 17:53.13 | NeoTron | canned cheese is cheddar, although processed. I am convinced american cheese is a cheese-like plastic |
| 17:53.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i've come to enjoy a nice swiss, or havarti, lately |
| 17:53.26 | NeoTron | and yes I prefer real cheese which you can't hardly get in the US, anywhere |
| 17:53.33 | NeoTron | Danish and Swedish cheese ftw |
| 17:54.29 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: eh, you'd be surprised. a number of places will carry a decent selection of cheese. |
| 17:54.53 | NightHawkTheSane | also, on an entirely unrelated note: http://gizmodo.com/5060687/scientists-find-gene-that-makes-you-good-at-halo-also-makes-you-a-premature-ejaculator |
| 17:55.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Uhhh |
| 17:55.26 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
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| 17:57.29 | Lunessa | NeoTron: You need to shop the deli section of your supermarket to get the good stuff. |
| 17:57.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
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| 18:04.52 | Beladona | anyone know if both PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED and RAID_ROSTER_CHANGED fire when someone joins your group in a raid? |
| 18:05.14 | Tekkub | your group, should yes |
| 18:05.18 | Jelly-School | http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/tv/stories/DN-richmurder_09met.ART.State.Edition2.4ad060e.html |
| 18:05.24 | kolie | hello. |
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| 18:26.45 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Cairenn |
| 18:26.46 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cairenn, pokes Cairenn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:27.13 | kneeki | Humm, how do you clear the texture of a frame? Like, erase it |
| 18:28.19 | NightHawkTheSane | set the texture to some color with 0 alpha? |
| 18:28.29 | NeoTron | this is an interesting comment by Tigole: " We recently added the breastplates. They will not give credit in the patch that goes live with the achievement system but in a patch that will follow that one by a week or two." |
| 18:28.31 | foxlit | :SetTexture(nil) |
| 18:28.38 | Seerah|away | TC: she's not here |
| 18:28.39 | NightHawkTheSane | or that |
| 18:28.42 | kneeki | foxlit: lol thx |
| 18:28.49 | NeoTron | that indicates that recently made changes are too late to make the 3.0 patch to live |
| 18:29.02 | NeoTron | which has to mean it'll happen next week |
| 18:29.26 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: i wouldn't say that's strictly true, who knows what their internal procseses are like, but it is a good bet, yes |
| 18:29.35 | Dashkal | It does rather strongly suggest tuesday |
| 18:29.52 | NightHawkTheSane | course, this is also something we already strongly suspected :p |
| 18:29.56 | Thunder_Child | Seerah|away, if she wasnt here i couldnt have poked her |
| 18:30.39 | NeoTron | from what we've seen in beta, it seems to be about a week cycle. definitely less than 2 weeks |
| 18:30.47 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: indeed |
| 18:31.16 | Seerah|away | TC: she was Cairenn|afk but then somehow got dc'ed and auto-joined as Cairenn |
| 18:31.19 | NeoTron | so did they entirely drop the "new dances" thing? |
| 18:31.28 | NightHawkTheSane | probably, yes |
| 18:31.32 | Seerah|away | you'll just have to poke her until she gets back home :) |
| 18:32.05 | Thunder_Child | Seerah|away, she turned off her comp before she left so i assume she is logged in in anihiem |
| 18:32.28 | Thunder_Child | anaheim* |
| 18:36.59 | Beladona | what does he mean by breastplates? |
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| 18:37.25 | NightHawkTheSane | the t2.5 bp i assume? |
| 18:38.49 | Fisker- | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10971859278-halloween-events.html <-omg patch date confirmation! |
| 18:38.52 | Thunder_Child | Ganking fellow attendees to steal their seats is strictly forbidden and generally frowned upon. Generally. |
| 18:38.52 | Thunder_Child | |
| 18:39.02 | Thunder_Child | ~fail mirc |
| 18:39.03 | purl | You suck at everything in life, mirc. I hate you because you fail. |
| 18:40.03 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: how does that confirm patch? |
| 18:40.19 | Shirik | because Fisker- is a troll |
| 18:40.22 | Shirik | any link confirms patch |
| 18:40.29 | Shirik | except when he wants it to deny patch |
| 18:41.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: or, in the general case, any link confirms [absurd non sequitur], except when he wants it to deny [absurd non sequitur] ;) |
| 18:42.42 | Gnarfoz | questionable content from 2 days ago for 'non sequitur' btw. |
| 18:42.50 | Fisker- | i will deny you Shirik >:3 |
| 18:43.11 | Fisker- | anyways obvious troll = obvious |
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| 18:44.36 | Shirik | I want to know how Cairenn got internets here |
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| 18:44.38 | Castigo | hi guys |
| 18:44.48 | Shirik | I only have internets due to my <3 <3 verizon card |
| 18:45.52 | Castigo | Shirik! |
| 18:46.02 | Shirik | hi can't talk sorry >< |
| 18:46.11 | Castigo | ahahahaha |
| 18:46.13 | Shirik | I literally just got here and I might have to leave soon >< |
| 18:46.16 | Castigo | <3 really |
| 18:46.28 | Shirik | oh ok, nm I have some time :) |
| 18:46.34 | Castigo | ehehehe |
| 18:46.38 | Castigo | neither nev is online :P |
| 18:46.49 | Castigo | and my q this time is REALLY stupid :P |
| 18:47.27 | Castigo | Minimap:ClearAllPoints() should put the minimap back to default position, neverthless if earlier on there have been a Minimap:SetPoint right? |
| 18:47.30 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, she is prolly at bliz, thats why |
| 18:47.46 | Shirik | oh maybe |
| 18:48.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ClearAllPoints() does justwhat it says, it clears any anchor points set. I believe you'd have to SetPoint() aftert that to move it anywhere, including back to it's original position.. |
| 18:50.10 | Castigo | hence i need a get point before doing my setpoint? |
| 18:50.50 | ShaneSveller | Castigo: you need to setpoint after clearallpoints or it will not be displayed |
| 18:51.43 | NightHawkTheSane | whether you need a getpoint is entirely dependant on what you're doing, and how you're doing it, so i can't really say :) |
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| 18:52.05 | foxlit | "Blow up all of their suns." -- http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=198344 is awesome, but you probably want to start from the beginning |
| 18:52.13 | Castigo | well i basically move the minimap in my addon and i would like to give the user an option to just "ignore" the move of the minimap |
| 18:52.35 | Castigo | tho if the user loads the interface with the option turned on, on toggle of it the minimap gotta go back into the original position |
| 18:52.39 | Castigo | the blizz ui one i mean |
| 18:53.14 | Beladona | just set a variable that holds the original location, and SetPoint it back if they turn off custom positioning |
| 18:53.17 | ShaneSveller | Castigo: save the point before you move it so that you can reset it |
| 18:53.33 | ShaneSveller | Castigo: you could just do it once and hardcode it once you know where it "belongs" |
| 18:53.40 | Beladona | shouldn't even need to do that, since the default ui has a hard coded position. Just hard code it for yourself |
| 18:53.50 | Beladona | otherwise you risk saving a variable that was changed by some other addon |
| 18:55.01 | Castigo | uhm.. |
| 18:55.07 | Castigo | beladona which is actually what i want |
| 18:55.10 | Castigo | i want the user to choose |
| 18:55.19 | Fisker- | yes |
| 18:55.21 | Castigo | "use integrated ui" or "use whatever minimap addon you want" |
| 18:55.21 | Fisker- | i'm the winner! |
| 18:55.36 | Castigo | what u won fisker? |
| 18:55.38 | foxlit | Fisker-: but did you win the game? |
| 18:55.53 | Fisker- | Free corpserun, 10% durability loss, and ridicule |
| 18:56.03 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 18:56.18 | Fisker- | Was on follow on someone |
| 18:56.21 | Fisker- | and i was jumping |
| 18:56.30 | Fisker- | and at the turn up at archi i jumped over the cliff >:E |
| 18:57.09 | Castigo | lolz gief archi pl0x |
| 18:57.18 | Castigo | i never won the helm and we don't do mh anymore :( |
| 18:57.25 | Castigo | no pug on our server kill archi *yet* |
| 18:57.54 | Castigo | ShaneSveller: ok but when i do GetPoint it wants to know a region |
| 18:57.57 | Castigo | which is? |
| 18:58.02 | Castigo | i know what a region is |
| 18:58.15 | Castigo | but should i get just a random one as long as it's the same that i use in the later setpoint? |
| 18:58.59 | foxlit | What is a region, Castigo? |
| 18:59.21 | Castigo | foxlit you know countries are divided in regions |
| 18:59.24 | Castigo | regions in provinces |
| 18:59.29 | Castigo | provices in commons |
| 18:59.30 | Castigo | etc... |
| 18:59.47 | foxlit | I'm more objecting to "Castigo: i know what a region is" |
| 19:00.02 | Castigo | from http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Minimap - Minimap:GetPoint(index) - Returns the specified anchor point for the frame. |
| 19:00.14 | foxlit | Your question doesn't quite suggest that you know what it means in SetPoint's context, hence the question |
| 19:00.17 | ShaneSveller | Castigo: I believe you just want MinimapSomething:GetPoint(1) |
| 19:00.52 | ShaneSveller | Castigo: that you may want to iterate over it for GetNumPoints() |
| 19:03.30 | Castigo | let's give it a go ^^ |
| 19:04.01 | Shirik | Cidan: ping |
| 19:04.24 | Castigo | i am starting to hate lua tbh |
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| 19:07.06 | Castigo | is there any way to have a "c++ static alike" variable in lua? |
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| 19:08.55 | ShaneSveller | Castigo: what is it you want? a clearly defined widely-accesible value? or something that can't be changed? or some other facet of a static variable? |
| 19:09.17 | Castigo | Shane you know what is a static variablein c++? |
| 19:09.36 | ShaneSveller | theoretically |
| 19:09.40 | Castigo | ^^ |
| 19:09.45 | ShaneSveller | again, what aspect is it you want? |
| 19:09.52 | Castigo | basically it's a local variable but it's live it's not related to the function |
| 19:10.06 | Castigo | basically i need a variable that can be accessed just from the function |
| 19:10.14 | Shirik | that is a very bad way of describing what a static variable is |
| 19:10.20 | Castigo | but that it "store" its values when you exit from the a function |
| 19:10.21 | Shirik | but yes, it's called an upvalue |
| 19:10.33 | Castigo | Shirik indeed |
| 19:10.56 | Castigo | Shirik how you define it? upvalue mikeyMouse? |
| 19:10.57 | Shirik | lua> do local x = 0; function nextX() x = x + 1; return x; end end; return nextX(), nextX(), nextX(), x; |
| 19:10.57 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1, 2, 3, nil |
| 19:11.07 | Shirik | do ... end isn't always required |
| 19:11.12 | Shirik | it merely needs to be scoped correctly |
| 19:11.43 | Castigo | Shirik x is scoped "globally" there tho isn't it |
| 19:11.52 | Shirik | obviously not if it said nil for x |
| 19:12.19 | Castigo | uhm.. it's scoped inside the do |
| 19:12.46 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:13.33 | Castigo | i need something that it's scoped just inside nextX |
| 19:13.40 | Shirik | that's impossible |
| 19:13.41 | Castigo | but "retain" it's value |
| 19:13.45 | Shirik | because those variables don't actually exist |
| 19:14.10 | Castigo | a good defition of "static" i would suppose it's like |
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| 19:14.19 | Shirik | that's why using globals is bad: Accessing a local is free because it's simply a value on the stack |
| 19:14.19 | Shirik | it's not actually a variable |
| 19:14.22 | Castigo | a global variable which can be addressed ONLY inside the function it's declared |
| 19:14.23 | Shirik | that may be a confusing way of putting it |
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| 19:14.36 | Shirik | but a global variable actually has an entry in Lua. A local is merely a stack position |
| 19:14.49 | Castigo | i am not sure how the compiler for C++ treat that but i suppose it's a better explaination that my previous one |
| 19:14.52 | Dewin1 | Yay. Total computer meltdown. |
| 19:15.48 | Shirik | I don't think you need to restrict the scope, you just need to use do...end properly |
| 19:15.51 | Shirik | that's how you restrict the scope |
| 19:16.20 | Shirik | To answer your question directly: Your only option is to do what I did, because that is the nearest variable that actually exists in the first place and could persist |
| 19:18.51 | Castigo | yeh that's fine |
| 19:19.02 | Castigo | not what i needed but still fine |
| 19:19.14 | Castigo | still gives me lua culture |
| 19:20.20 | Shirik | If you want the details, here: http://wowi.pastey.net/97904 |
| 19:20.23 | Lunessa | Any time someone learns a new programming language, the first thing they do is bitch about how it doesn't do X like Y language. Once they understand the new language, those complaints usually evaporate. |
| 19:20.49 | Shirik | This is why getting a local is, quite literally, free. Because there is no such instruction. It exists solely on the stack. All operations operate on the stack, so it's just "there" |
| 19:21.07 | Shirik | because the stack is fresh for each new function, naturally you can't make that persist |
| 19:21.19 | Lunessa | No additional overhead, no speed penalty to access the variable. |
| 19:21.38 | Lunessa | <3 locals |
| 19:21.53 | Castigo | lunessa no no, i bitch all the time at any language that is not c++ |
| 19:22.03 | Castigo | 'cause it doesn't do the things how i expect them to be ^^ |
| 19:22.10 | Lunessa | That's ok. I bitch all the time about C++ |
| 19:22.15 | Shirik | for some reason I thought I was doing something |
| 19:22.26 | Shirik | Lunessa didn't come to blizzcon huh :( |
| 19:22.36 | Lunessa | I couldn't get a ticket. |
| 19:22.43 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:22.56 | Castigo | Lunessa i suppose that it has to do on what you are used to use more as programming language, then when u switch u expect the rest to be "similiar" behavioured |
| 19:23.00 | Lunessa | And since I couldn't get a ticket, I saved my vacation time and money for something else. |
| 19:23.41 | Shirik | I feel the need to stress here that the use of "static" in the form that you are using it is more C than C++, and there are better alternatives in C++ |
| 19:23.45 | ShaneSveller | Castigo: your yardstick for programming languages is c++? what a sad life you've lived. |
| 19:24.35 | Lunessa | Castigo: I learned C and C++ and they're fine. And I have to beat my head against new ways of doing things every time I learn a new language. PERL made my brain hurt for months before I "got it" and Lua was easy to figure out because it's a lot like C/C++; it's just the differences hit me pretty hard at first. |
| 19:24.50 | Shirik | Perl makes everyone's brain hurt |
| 19:25.01 | Shirik | I think that's its purpose |
| 19:25.10 | Castigo | Shane i use mostly c++ to earn my bread yes |
| 19:25.17 | Castigo | Lunessa on perl i gave up ^^ |
| 19:25.19 | Lunessa | Perl was meant originally to parse logs. It grew into a beast. |
| 19:25.21 | Castigo | tho i LOVE python |
| 19:25.31 | boshi | I've noticed every texture I load from "Interface\\Icons\\" has a border around it. Is there another path for icons without a border, or do I need to use SetTexCoord to "remove" the borders ? |
| 19:25.44 | ShaneSveller | Castigo: python and ruby are what i wish more languages were like in terms of the experience of writing in them |
| 19:25.56 | ShaneSveller | performance is another topic altogether |
| 19:26.10 | foxlit | boshi: no, and yes. |
| 19:26.11 | Cide | dude |
| 19:26.11 | Shirik | you wish languages were like ruby |
| 19:26.12 | Cide | python is fast |
| 19:26.15 | Cide | ruby... |
| 19:26.19 | Castigo | Shane: i consder the programming perfection python + c++ for the slow routines |
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| 19:26.34 | Castigo | THO making any company understand that is the hard stone |
| 19:26.40 | Castigo | so i always end up doing it in C++ |
| 19:26.43 | boshi | foxlit: is there a constant for "correct" margin ? 0.6 seems to work best |
| 19:26.43 | Castigo | and sod it |
| 19:26.48 | Shirik | ruby is called that because that's what I want to stab into my eyes when I read it |
| 19:26.50 | boshi | err, 0.06 |
| 19:26.57 | foxlit | boshi: icons are 64 pixels in native resolution |
| 19:27.11 | foxlit | so if you wanted to chop off, say, the left 4 |
| 19:27.16 | foxlit | lua> 4/64 |
| 19:27.17 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.0625 |
| 19:27.26 | foxlit | would be your left coordinate. |
| 19:27.28 | ShaneSveller | Shirik: I personally find it elegant and as close to "pretty" as text can get, ymmv |
| 19:27.43 | Shirik | screw elegance |
| 19:27.47 | boshi | thanks, i'll make my own constant of .0625 |
| 19:28.13 | foxlit | Lua probably optimizes constant expressions when compiling |
| 19:28.20 | Shirik | it does |
| 19:28.25 | foxlit | So you can keep 4/64 for readability :) |
| 19:28.27 | Shirik | there was a bug about that a while ago actually |
| 19:28.45 | Shirik | you could force a distinction between 0 and -0 and cause all kinds of fun stuff |
| 19:29.01 | ShaneSveller | Also, I personally feel like I program "better" in ruby or python than in other languages. They just suit my mentality better |
| 19:29.19 | Shirik | you don't program in python |
| 19:29.21 | Shirik | you just import |
| 19:29.25 | Castigo | http://wow.pastey.net/97905 <--- what have i done wrong now? ^^ |
| 19:29.28 | Shirik | luajit is awesome btw |
| 19:29.39 | Jelly-School | ~hug Shirik |
| 19:29.39 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Shirik |
| 19:29.56 | foxlit | I notice there's no lua-5.1.4 equivalent, though |
| 19:30.12 | NeoTron | it needs to be used in WoW! |
| 19:30.14 | foxlit | Not that any of those bugs are common enough to run into on a daily basis, but still |
| 19:30.27 | Shirik | there's only one issue I have with Lua: Trying to make it work with fixed-point processors is not entirely easy |
| 19:30.44 | Shirik | Actually there's 2 |
| 19:30.53 | Shirik | no bitwise operations, either, and bitlib is horribly inefficient |
| 19:30.54 | boshi | is there an equivalent to SetTexCoord for buttons ? |
| 19:31.10 | Castigo | Shane: paradise of th programmer = Python + PyQt + C++ for the optimized routines, i wrote a CAD like that couple of years ago |
| 19:31.16 | foxlit | boshi: buttons have no visible components by default. Everything you see is either a texture or a font string. |
| 19:31.18 | NeoTron | I really wish lua had += and -= |
| 19:31.26 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 19:31.27 | NeoTron | foo = foo + bar is so clunky |
| 19:31.39 | Fisker- | Some mage on ventrilo: I have grip |
| 19:31.40 | foxlit | Yet so much more readable |
| 19:31.44 | Fisker- | Uh, you're a mage? |
| 19:31.45 | Castigo | Neotron well the concat of the strings is clunky too |
| 19:31.56 | foxlit | Things go nasty fast if you mix list assignments with += operators |
| 19:32.12 | boshi | for a button, I set the texture with SetNormalTexture, SetTexCoord returns an error .... |
| 19:32.34 | foxlit | You'd need to do button:GetNormalTexture():SetTexCoord(...) |
| 19:34.07 | boshi | foxlit: thank you |
| 19:34.09 | Shirik | Fisker-: But it would hurt his dps |
| 19:34.41 | Fisker- | ah yes :P |
| 19:34.45 | foxlit | Hrm, the lua stack depth limit |
| 19:34.53 | foxlit | Any way to tell it to go away? It's all heap anyway. |
| 19:35.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:35.03 | Castigo | http://wow.pastey.net/97905 <-- anyone? |
| 19:35.07 | Shirik | but in WoW? |
| 19:35.12 | Castigo | omfg i am stupid |
| 19:35.15 | Castigo | clunkyhead |
| 19:35.15 | foxlit | nah, I'll settle for interpeter |
| 19:35.23 | Shirik | you need to change the source |
| 19:35.37 | foxlit | Okay, that I won't settle for :) |
| 19:35.50 | Shirik | luaconf.h: |
| 19:35.57 | Shirik | #define LUAI_MAXCALLS20000 |
| 19:35.58 | Shirik | #define LUAI_MAXCSTACK8000 |
| 19:37.29 | foxlit | something like setstacklimit(f, n) would've been awesome; I don't really want to recompile and break compatibility with all of the unmodified installs |
| 19:37.44 | foxlit | Plus, it gives me an excuse to try DFS with an explicit stack. |
| 19:37.49 | End | what |
| 19:37.49 | End | the |
| 19:37.50 | End | fuck |
| 19:37.58 | End | according to this speed test I get 26 mbit down |
| 19:38.02 | Shirik | holy hell |
| 19:38.08 | Shirik | { volatile union luai_Cast u; u.l_d = (d) + 6755399441055744.0; (i) = u.l_l; } |
| 19:38.15 | Shirik | ^ how Lua casts numbers to integers |
| 19:38.43 | Shirik | (if pentium-based) |
| 19:39.28 | Castigo | btw do i have to repeat the same GetPoint/SetPoint for EVERY minimap button? |
| 19:39.40 | Castigo | i would hope that their position is "parent" related? |
| 19:40.04 | ShaneSveller | Castigo: it's all parented to minimap i do believe |
| 19:40.04 | Shirik | it can be |
| 19:40.10 | Shirik | oh minimap |
| 19:40.12 | ShaneSveller | unless you move the controls in relation to the minimap |
| 19:41.42 | Shirik | oops |
| 19:41.52 | Shirik | my #1 sponsor lost 22% of its stock value today |
| 19:41.56 | Shirik | for my project |
| 19:41.57 | Shirik | oh well ^_^ |
| 19:42.30 | Castigo | lua> function nextX() local a=1; a = a |
| 19:42.31 | lua_bot | Castigo: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 19:42.33 | Castigo | bah |
| 19:42.44 | Shirik | a = a? |
| 19:43.06 | Castigo | lua> function nextX() local a=1; a = a +1; a; end nextX() nextX() nextX() |
| 19:43.06 | lua_bot | Castigo: luabot:1: '=' expected near ';' |
| 19:43.16 | Castigo | nah i pressed enter too soon |
| 19:43.28 | Castigo | function nextX() local a=1; a = a +1; Print(a); end nextX() nextX() nextX() |
| 19:43.34 | Castigo | lua> function nextX() local a=1; a = a +1; a; end nextX() nextX() nextX() |
| 19:43.35 | lua_bot | Castigo: luabot:1: '=' expected near ';' |
| 19:43.46 | Castigo | omfg |
| 19:44.00 | Castigo | lua> function nextX() local a=1; a = a +1; Print(a); end nextX() nextX() nextX() |
| 19:44.00 | lua_bot | Castigo: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'Print' (a nil value) |
| 19:44.12 | [SW]Dodge | lua> function nextX() local a=1; a = a +1; print(a); end nextX() nextX() nextX() |
| 19:44.12 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: 2, 2, 2 |
| 19:44.16 | Castigo | lolz it doesn't have the ace utils defined |
| 19:44.27 | Castigo | chers dodge |
| 19:44.30 | Castigo | *cheers |
| 19:44.44 | Dewin | locals aren't static ;) |
| 19:44.47 | Shirik | why would it? |
| 19:44.58 | [SW]Dodge | lua> local a=1; function nextX() a = a +1; print(a); end nextX() nextX() nextX() |
| 19:44.59 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: 2, 3, 4 |
| 19:45.21 | Castigo | Dewin was just checking that ^^ |
| 19:45.22 | [SW]Dodge | lua> local a=1; function nextX() print(a); a = a +1; end nextX() nextX() nextX() |
| 19:45.22 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: 1, 2, 3 |
| 19:45.25 | Shirik | we've been over that [SW]Dodge |
| 19:45.30 | [SW]Dodge | :-) |
| 19:45.50 | [SW]Dodge | lua> 21000-16825 |
| 19:45.51 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: 4175 |
| 19:46.00 | [SW]Dodge | lua> (21000-16825)/75 |
| 19:46.01 | lua_bot | [SW]Dodge: 55.666666666667 |
| 19:46.05 | foxlit | but quick, setmetatable(_G, {__newindex=function(t,k,v) rawset(_G, type(k) == "string" and k:lower() or k, v); end, __index=function(t,k,v) return rawget(t, type(k) == "string" and k:lower() or k); end}); |
| 19:46.16 | Castigo | dodge what rep u need? :P |
| 19:46.21 | [SW]Dodge | exodar^^ |
| 19:46.28 | Dewin | What a coincidence |
| 19:46.30 | Dewin | I'm working on that on my mage too |
| 19:46.37 | Castigo | 55 stacks w00t |
| 19:46.41 | Dewin | my not-high-enough-for-runecloth-so-have-to-do-the-quests mage. |
| 19:46.52 | Castigo | have u done all the quests in the temple of telhamat or how it is spelled? |
| 19:47.02 | [SW]Dodge | 55,6 stacks until exalted and tehen alot more to max all factions :S |
| 19:47.18 | Castigo | Dodge why don't u do the quest for the others alliance factions then? they give shared rep |
| 19:47.20 | Castigo | uknow |
| 19:47.33 | [SW]Dodge | Castigo: i did all starting areas allready |
| 19:47.49 | Castigo | nah i mean the non starting areas |
| 19:48.00 | Castigo | ashenvale for example gives quite alot of exodar rep |
| 19:48.12 | [SW]Dodge | ashenvale is done too |
| 19:48.12 | Dewin | the east part of it particularly |
| 19:48.40 | Castigo | Dodge u done every single ally area that is not goblin related? |
| 19:48.56 | Lunessa | lawl - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10972108525&sid=2000&pageNo=4#16 |
| 19:49.00 | Castigo | if yes, bg ftw |
| 19:49.09 | Castigo | av actually it's alot of rep |
| 19:49.38 | Lunessa | Godwin's Law should include the word "Philistines" |
| 19:49.55 | [SW]Dodge | i fail in pvp ^^ |
| 19:50.10 | Castigo | dodge so do i, i am a prot warr |
| 19:50.17 | ShaneSveller | any oUF hackers on? I've got a copy embedded in my layout and I'm working out how to allow it to still use plugins. So far the quickest solution was to make the plugins OptDep on oUF, same with my layout, and have my layout set global oUF to embedded version if it's nil and then use the global variable |
| 19:50.18 | Castigo | but u need to do the rep quest in pvp |
| 19:50.33 | [SW]Dodge | Castigo: which quests exactly? |
| 19:50.39 | Castigo | dodge follow the group, loot the hordie |
| 19:50.45 | ZorbaBeta | I like how people don't seem to realize that Blizzard has been throwing puns, bad jokes, and pop culture references into WoW since before it was released |
| 19:50.50 | Castigo | hand in their craps in dun baldar |
| 19:50.54 | Castigo | get rep for ally |
| 19:51.02 | Castigo | (av bg that is) |
| 19:51.14 | ZorbaBeta | and still none of them feel as out-of-place as WAR's "Elvish Parsley" |
| 19:51.22 | Castigo | ppl were exalted with exodar before tbc was out this way dodge |
| 19:51.30 | [SW]Dodge | last time i tried that we won on the way back to dun baldar -.- |
| 19:51.44 | Castigo | dodge: http://rolling-horde.net/2008/08/grinding-alliance-reputation-in-av/ |
| 19:51.53 | foxlit | New AV sucks for reputation gain, really |
| 19:52.13 | Castigo | dodge u win av? on my battlegroup ally loose ANY bg |
| 19:52.17 | foxlit | Games don't last long enough, base is frequently not held in the race to the enemy PvE npc. |
| 19:52.21 | foxlit | I win everything. |
| 19:52.53 | Castigo | foxlit us servers? |
| 19:52.59 | foxlit | eu servers. |
| 19:53.17 | Castigo | unbelivable!!! |
| 19:53.46 | foxlit | Anyway, I suspect the bg matching system qualified me as a "moron without a head on shoulders" a long time ago, so the matches tend to be less of a pain than usual :) |
| 19:53.58 | [SW]Dodge | Castigo: last time i was in av we won 15/17 games -.- |
| 19:54.06 | foxlit | (but with obscene amounts of epics, I suppose) |
| 19:54.54 | Castigo | i don't like pvp but on my battlegroup is kinda impossible |
| 19:54.59 | Castigo | do win anything at all |
| 19:55.06 | Castigo | unless you pvp at 4 o'clock int he night |
| 19:55.10 | Castigo | or u do a premade with guildies |
| 19:55.19 | Castigo | ah.. mayb EOS if u are lucky |
| 19:55.28 | Castigo | pug EOS win sometimes |
| 19:55.50 | foxlit | I tend to do PuGs with random people, EoS is the somewhere towards the bottom of things I like, together with AB |
| 19:55.54 | Castigo | shirik: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97907 <--- isn't that supposed to work? |
| 19:56.05 | foxlit | Or, well, EoS < AB < AV < WSG |
| 19:56.42 | Castigo | foxlit isn't that u are horde? |
| 19:56.54 | Shirik | no |
| 19:56.57 | Shirik | line 50 is wrong |
| 19:57.00 | foxlit | On the other hand, AB is awesome when played in a proper team. Alliance tends to gravitate towards "take the blacksmith! no, the farm! no, the lumbermill! no, wait, guard stables! NOW HOLD THE THREE BASES IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE" |
| 19:57.09 | Shirik | the second parameter is not a point, it is a relative region |
| 19:57.15 | foxlit | Castigo: no, night elf at the moment. |
| 19:57.32 | Castigo | minimapRelativeTo >< |
| 19:57.49 | ZorbaBeta | foxlit, your battlegroup sounds fantastic compared to mine |
| 19:58.10 | ZorbaBeta | mine usually consists of four different people trying to lead simultaneously, while the majority of players ignore all of them and just wander around doing whatever they feel like |
| 19:58.23 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure that's the same everywhere |
| 19:58.24 | Castigo | Tada!!!! shirik u are my guru |
| 19:58.29 | foxlit | Hence my frustrations with AB :) |
| 19:58.29 | ZorbaBeta | the leaders eventually all get angry at each other and start yelling at each other, then swear they'll never play again |
| 19:58.31 | ZorbaBeta | but they lie |
| 19:58.32 | ZorbaBeta | :( |
| 19:58.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: i know thats what i do! |
| 19:58.48 | NightHawkTheSane | (ignore poeple doing whatever i feel like) |
| 19:59.38 | foxlit | The secret to eternal happiness in alliance battlegrounds is to ignore /bg unless you feel like agreeing with it, and have a healthy gear margin to win most random 1-on-1s you'll encounter |
| 19:59.39 | Castigo | ZorbaBeta sounds like u are on my battlerealm, i am one of the leaders who gets angry |
| 19:59.41 | Castigo | :P |
| 20:00.32 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i prefer letting people feel good about beating some noob in t6, while attritioning my way to 1 mark per bg. >< |
| 20:00.48 | ZorbaBeta | I sort of don't care in a lot of ways since there was only one pvp thing I wanted |
| 20:00.55 | ZorbaBeta | namely, the badass prot warrior shield |
| 20:01.36 | ZorbaBeta | mostly it's just make popcorn, play AV, grind honor while chatting with friends |
| 20:01.36 | foxlit | It tends to deteriorate into multiple noobs in t6. |
| 20:01.58 | foxlit | Preferably while some other noobs in Honor gear pretend to tank them. |
| 20:02.29 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 20:02.34 | Shirik | How does a country go bankrupt |
| 20:02.48 | Shirik | CNN says Iceland went bankrupt? |
| 20:02.58 | NightHawkTheSane | the same way a corporation does, generally |
| 20:03.06 | foxlit | You have issues with CNN's reporting |
| 20:03.09 | foxlit | Most people do :) |
| 20:03.22 | Castigo | Shirik Iceland got "saved" by Russia |
| 20:03.29 | foxlit | or so they think |
| 20:03.50 | Castigo | basically the bank they were bailing had bigger debts than what the country could afford (i lolled about this) so went bankrupt |
| 20:04.10 | foxlit | Most of the headlines fail at communicating the exact nature of the article, opting instead to communicate a general feeling? |
| 20:04.22 | Castigo | Russia immediatly joined sniffing the fact that they can then force iceland to allow them to put some military base, so they are closer to the USA with the missiles |
| 20:04.28 | Castigo | (god knows why) |
| 20:04.38 | foxlit | But heck, they're the government. Why not print some more cash |
| 20:04.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Castigo: the new cold war, of course |
| 20:04.52 | Castigo | foxlit doesn't work like that :P |
| 20:05.06 | Castigo | you can't print as much cash as you want even if u are a government |
| 20:05.18 | foxlit | I'm fairly aware of the basic nature of economics. |
| 20:05.21 | Castigo | (ignoring the fact that's that country bank tha tprints the cash and not the government) |
| 20:05.41 | Castigo | tho i found the issue quite funny |
| 20:05.50 | Castigo | how could u buy somone else debts without realising HOW MUCH are they? |
| 20:05.57 | foxlit | But it really raises more questions than it answers. |
| 20:07.16 | NightHawkTheSane | this is all just a prelude to a massive corporate takeover of the world, anyway |
| 20:07.22 | Fisker- | you can print more money if you want |
| 20:07.29 | Fisker- | just raises inflation |
| 20:07.50 | foxlit | Fisker-: that's why you scale it down at the same time <3 |
| 20:08.03 | Castigo | Night the problem is with whos money :P |
| 20:08.19 | foxlit | With the newly printed money, of course. |
| 20:08.27 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty sure the money is not actually causing the problem |
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| 20:08.56 | cbreak | corporate takeover? |
| 20:09.00 | foxlit | Loan-trading economy is, however. |
| 20:09.26 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: that's DEFINITELY the problem :p |
| 20:09.34 | Castigo | night it is 'cause most of "rich" pplin the world made their fortune with loan-trading, including countries |
| 20:09.41 | NightHawkTheSane | it boggles me that thats even legal |
| 20:10.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Castigo: its also because of people not spelling out their words. |
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| 20:10.25 | foxlit | If the currency system is based on the promise to repay (housing, cars, private island paradises loans) with interest, and those promises are treated as assets, things start to grow rather exponentially |
| 20:10.26 | Castigo | lol sod off :P |
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| 20:10.37 | foxlit | His r key must be broken. |
| 20:11.09 | Castigo | foxlit no, it's a mac keyboard so me nails keeps getting stucked and not pressing buttons ^^ |
| 20:11.19 | foxlit | "Hey, I'd like to borrow a boat-load of cash" "Sure, got anything to back that?" "That other guy over there's promise to pay me two boat-loads of cash". |
| 20:11.26 | cbreak | do not taint the name of the saviour, jobs |
| 20:11.43 | foxlit | jobs be praised. all hail the saviour. |
| 20:11.49 | cbreak | I love the new sleek aluminium keyboards :) |
| 20:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yeah, i understand HOW it happened, it just VASTLY unsettles me that we let it. |
| 20:12.09 | foxlit | I don't think "we" had much choice in that matter :) |
| 20:12.22 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it's the -very- royal we ;) |
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| 20:13.54 | Castigo | btw i think that sod it, my users will have the integrated and moved minimap, cba to save ALL the buttons position, sizes |
| 20:13.59 | Castigo | and restore them back |
| 20:14.04 | Castigo | q |
| 20:17.06 | Shirik | I shall go now |
| 20:17.07 | Shirik | have fun |
| 20:17.33 | Castigo | nooooo u leave me with foxlight dodge and nighthawk! help! |
| 20:17.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ... and you expect shirik to save you? |
| 20:18.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i need a new non-anime series to start watching |
| 20:18.29 | Castigo | nighthawk i would hoep so |
| 20:18.31 | Castigo | *hope |
| 20:19.45 | Syzgyn | Whats the best way to go about checking if a unit has a specific buff/debuff? |
| 20:20.04 | foxlit | UnitAura |
| 20:20.22 | foxlit | (UnitBuff/UnitDebuff on 2.4-live) |
| 20:20.37 | Castigo | DBM/Bigwings are masters to get example from syz |
| 20:20.53 | Syzgyn | Ah, I didnt think about that, good point |
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| 20:21.39 | NightHawkTheSane | .. is there a formula for calculating what your current GCD is, and as a follow up.. any mod that will do that? :) |
| 20:21.47 | NeoTron | ckknight: fine. http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge-packager/tickets/2 |
| 20:21.56 | NeoTron | bah wrong channel but alas :P |
| 20:22.03 | ckknight | works well enough |
| 20:22.04 | Castigo | Night maybe quartz? not sure |
| 20:22.13 | Castigo | indeed there is since it's an information that the UI display |
| 20:22.16 | ckknight | now the complicated part, NeoTron, is that the packager is multithreaded. |
| 20:22.21 | Castigo | what about any actionbar? should have that |
| 20:22.32 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i mean a numeric value |
| 20:22.34 | NeoTron | ckknight: that's what makes looking at the packager log more challanging too I believe |
| 20:23.07 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: you have no idea <.< |
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| 20:23.38 | Castigo | i am fairly sure Quartz has it |
| 20:23.47 | ckknight | NeoTron: yea |
| 20:23.49 | Castigo | Night: http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=1573 |
| 20:24.12 | ckknight | NeoTron: you're free to take a look at the code and all, btw |
| 20:24.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Castigo: .. what does that have to do with figuring out the numeric value of your GCD? |
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| 20:24.43 | Castigo | beladona are u still there somwhere? |
| 20:25.06 | Castigo | NightHawk that addon displays the numeric value of the GC, it must get it from somewhere |
| 20:26.03 | ZorbaBeta | why not make the packager prepend thread IDs to each line? |
| 20:26.15 | Castigo | GCD = global cooldown? |
| 20:26.34 | ckknight | ZorbaBeta: it could do that. Really the only place where the threading occurs is when it's checking out repositories |
| 20:26.38 | NeoTron | ckknight: what is it written in? |
| 20:26.42 | ckknight | NeoTron: python |
| 20:26.55 | Castigo | the beta is pissing me off, world server down every 10mins.... |
| 20:26.55 | NeoTron | hrm. Not very well versed in python I'm afraid. |
| 20:27.06 | ckknight | though I could simplify things by having local checkouts be in a single thread (cause it's plenty fast) and remotes in separate threads (network lag is a killer) |
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| 20:41.13 | Tekkub | bleh, guess I should do a build day before I go away to BC tonight |
| 20:43.02 | Castigo | BeforeChrist? |
| 20:43.04 | Castigo | :P |
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| 20:44.04 | Castigo | i am lolling so badly inside myself |
| 20:44.16 | Castigo | i started this addon 'cause the UI iw as using was "really good" but not perfect for me |
| 20:44.18 | Castigo | and not configurable |
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| 20:44.32 | Castigo | so my project is to make it all configurable and with the features i want in aswell |
| 20:44.52 | Castigo | now i am screwed up so badly with all those options lolz |
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| 20:57.43 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10972029267&pageNo=3&sid=1#40 <-tigole in a great mood today |
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| 21:02.46 | Beladona | Castigo: you were looking for me? |
| 21:02.55 | Castigo | yup |
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| 21:06.17 | Fisker- | haha wtf |
| 21:06.20 | Fisker- | why even go to blizzcon? |
| 21:06.25 | cladhaire | why not? |
| 21:06.33 | Fisker- | POLAR BEAR MOUNT GIFT CARD OFFER: Offer ends 10/11/08. Automatically receive a gift card (no retail value) that can be redeemed for a World of Warcraft® in-game polar bear mount with flag waving murloc (mount) when you purchase the BlizzCon 2008 event in either SD or HD on either October 10 or 11, 2008 for $39.95. |
| 21:06.34 | Fisker- | hahaha |
| 21:06.57 | cladhaire | well i want to see the talks and such |
| 21:07.04 | cladhaire | i've not seen an online site that has them for sale? |
| 21:07.08 | NightHawkTheSane | perhaps this escapes your tiny troll mind, but ther eare things to do at blizzcon aside from pick up meaningless vanity items :p |
| 21:07.11 | cbreak | what is that blizzcon event? |
| 21:07.14 | cbreak | a movie? |
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| 21:07.35 | Fisker- | cladhaire you're purchasing the rights to see the event on tv |
| 21:07.37 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:07.42 | cladhaire | I can't watch it on TV there |
| 21:07.47 | cladhaire | so that doesn't help me |
| 21:07.59 | Fisker- | Of course not |
| 21:08.08 | Lunessa | cladhaire: I concur. You can pick up other gamers! (I kid, I kid!) |
| 21:08.11 | Fisker- | But not many europeans have the luxury of going to america >:3 |
| 21:09.30 | Fisker- | But great job on excluding 3/4 of the WoW players though |
| 21:09.43 | Fisker- | A shame we didn't have the same idea with WWI |
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| 21:14.51 | End | the speed quest achievements for ogri'la and skettis are easier to at level 70 than 71 :P |
| 21:14.57 | End | to do* |
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| 21:15.33 | NightHawkTheSane | why? |
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| 21:15.39 | End | riding crop |
| 21:15.46 | Fisker- | btw cladhaire |
| 21:15.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 21:15.50 | Fisker- | wanna play a game? |
| 21:15.54 | End | excluding paladins and whatnot of course |
| 21:15.58 | cladhaire | hrm, depends on the game |
| 21:16.06 | Fisker- | It's called Identity Theft |
| 21:16.11 | Fisker- | I take your spot @ Blizzcon |
| 21:16.19 | cladhaire | i'm not going |
| 21:16.21 | cladhaire | so.. have fun? |
| 21:16.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i like where this game is going |
| 21:16.31 | Fisker- | :E? |
| 21:16.53 | Fisker- | game sucks |
| 21:16.58 | cladhaire | truth |
| 21:17.05 | NeoTron | End: I really fricking hope they fix the riding crop |
| 21:17.16 | End | I don't like what they did |
| 21:17.17 | NeoTron | LK needs that more than every before with the new larger flyable zones |
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| 21:17.35 | NeoTron | if they can't "fix" it like they wanted to at least don't break them all at level 71 |
| 21:17.45 | End | have they added a new one even? |
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| 21:18.12 | End | (BTW, I doubt those achievements are hard, but it is a decent bonus if you're 70) |
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| 21:19.07 | End | ick |
| 21:19.14 | End | don't see any replacement |
| 21:20.30 | NightHawkTheSane | afaik, there is none. |
| 21:20.50 | NightHawkTheSane | its pretty borked :\ |
| 21:21.05 | End | yea |
| 21:21.19 | Fisker- | Make the calendar useful |
| 21:21.21 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:21.30 | NightHawkTheSane | you know.. that wouldn't be a half bad idea for a minor glyph >.> |
| 21:28.54 | Lunessa | 10% mount speed minor glyph? Not bad at all. |
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| 21:29.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: *nod* probably about the power of any other minor glyph, neatly takes care of the trinket vs 1 crop per moount problem.. |
| 21:29.34 | Lunessa | I foresee a lot of spurs and glove enchants making a comeback. |
| 21:30.08 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, maybe, i'm kinda over that, personally. I'd be fine doing without. |
| 21:30.08 | Castigo | i wanna know why tabards haven't got keyrings as announced! i bought millions of tabards for the achievement and they are gonna take bank spaces :( |
| 21:30.19 | NightHawkTheSane | also, betty white is kind of awesome: http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/10/lunchtime_quickie_130 |
| 21:33.15 | Lunessa | Meh, tabbards can take all the space my mounts and pets used to take. |
| 21:33.16 | Castigo | LOL she is awesome |
| 21:33.28 | Castigo | Lunessa so where is the gain? ^^ |
| 21:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | you only really need to keep tabards long enough to get the achievement. |
| 21:33.41 | Castigo | nighthawk, nothing still beat dunham tho >< |
| 21:34.10 | Lunessa | Castigo: Mostly I'm saying... I got a lot of space bace, so I don't give a rat's ass? |
| 21:34.24 | Castigo | u lucky then |
| 21:34.34 | Castigo | i got 5 different resistance set |
| 21:34.36 | Castigo | 1 arms set |
| 21:34.39 | Castigo | 1 tanking one |
| 21:34.43 | Castigo | 1 fury set |
| 21:34.51 | Castigo | then blacksmithing and engineering mats |
| 21:34.54 | Castigo | and bits and bobs |
| 21:35.02 | Castigo | bank full all the time |
| 21:35.05 | Lunessa | ... Oh, I see you haven't embraced the beauty of the simplified equipment stats yet. |
| 21:35.54 | Castigo | the resistance set will be merged? |
| 21:36.01 | Neuro_Medivh | You know, if Molly can find anyone on earth, why hasn't the Fed mind-reader asked her to find Osama Bin Laden yet? Or any of the other FBI's Most Wanted? |
| 21:36.25 | NightHawkTheSane | hm.. 25 tabards is going to be a pain in my ass. |
| 21:36.46 | End | I'll room for 25 tabards just from getting rid of pets and mounts |
| 21:37.30 | End | unfortunately there's a few pieces of gear I'd like to keep just for posterity |
| 21:37.39 | End | shouldn't be too much though |
| 21:37.40 | NightHawkTheSane | unless you have the tcg tabards, or are a pvper, it looks almost impossible to get currently |
| 21:37.43 | Lunessa | Castigo: Arms/fury/tanking sets at the very least will consolidate. |
| 21:37.50 | End | I didn't get as many tier pieces as I did pre-TBC |
| 21:37.54 | Dewin | what happens if you buy 25 guild tabards? |
| 21:37.59 | End | Dewin: haha |
| 21:38.03 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa, nah, tanking is still separate from dps |
| 21:38.05 | Castigo | lunessa tanking/arms???? HOW? |
| 21:38.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: they must be unique tabards. |
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| 21:38.11 | Dewin | ah. |
| 21:38.15 | Lunessa | Dewin: They only count as 1. |
| 21:38.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: does guild tabard even count? |
| 21:38.26 | Dewin | None of my characters has more than one tabard. |
| 21:38.28 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 21:38.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: ooh, nice, i wasn't counting that. |
| 21:38.39 | Dewin | The only character who has a non-guild tabard doesn't have a guild tabard. |
| 21:38.39 | End | my warlock has no tabards |
| 21:38.44 | End | and it's my main |
| 21:38.55 | Lunessa | Your gear will consolidate, since many more pieces will overlap. |
| 21:38.56 | Dewin | End: My guild's tabard looks good with the rest of my toon's gear, so I keep it. |
| 21:39.08 | End | my guild tabard looks...okay |
| 21:39.11 | End | but I wear a robe |
| 21:39.17 | End | tabard + robe = bad |
| 21:39.18 | Lunessa | Maybe not as much as you would like, but they do. |
| 21:39.41 | Dewin | End: I know. That's why my lock (who has the olympics tabard) doesn't wear his. |
| 21:39.51 | Lunessa | And easier to make 20 slot bags will help too. So will merchant 22 slot and player-made 22 slot bags. |
| 21:39.54 | Dewin | When he was 18 (not twinked, mind you) I decided to try WSG on him for fun. |
| 21:39.54 | End | oh, I'm a dirty liar |
| 21:39.59 | End | I have the olympic tabard |
| 21:40.00 | Dewin | And won 3 alliance WSGs in a row. |
| 21:40.19 | Dewin | which, if you're not familiar with our server, alliance doesn't win WSG. Ever. |
| 21:40.40 | Castigo | WTF, Server Shutdown? |
| 21:40.46 | End | seems like a general problem for alliance |
| 21:41.15 | Dewin | on our server horde sucks at AV, alliance sucks at all others |
| 21:41.19 | Castigo | any ETA when the beta server is back up? |
| 21:41.26 | End | I really hope they fix flyable before wotlk releases, or someone writes an addon that can do it |
| 21:41.33 | End | hm, I'm a someone |
| 21:41.49 | Dewin | I've had one EOTS win, one massive EOTS loss, and 3 "We're close to winning so let's forget how to play" EOTs losses. |
| 21:41.54 | End | (flyable being [flyable] really) |
| 21:42.11 | Castigo | btw lolz, on my realm scryers raided aldor terrace and killed everything, and /flexing about it in /2 |
| 21:42.14 | cbreak | [flyable:imeanit] |
| 21:42.14 | NightHawkTheSane | End: check out my mod "StableBoy" on wowi, I wrote my own IsFlyable() method in it, that does a decent job of getting it right, i think |
| 21:42.27 | End | NightHawkTheSane: YOU MUST BE A SOMEONE TOO |
| 21:42.43 | End | :P |
| 21:42.45 | End | Will do though |
| 21:42.53 | End | cool |
| 21:42.55 | NightHawkTheSane | It's actually not too hard, since they made Krasus' Landing a proper sub-zone in dalaran. It doesn't handle wintergrap currently, but that shouldn't be difficult to add in |
| 21:42.57 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: I wonder if it works better than the built-in [flyable] for detecting instance changes. |
| 21:43.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: instance changes? |
| 21:43.16 | Dewin | Particularly in Hellfire... |
| 21:43.28 | Dewin | If I zone out of an instance and then immediately try to mount, my macro occasionally picks the nonflying mount |
| 21:43.34 | End | wtf |
| 21:43.40 | End | I already have stableboy |
| 21:43.41 | End | oh |
| 21:43.46 | End | I installed it in the wrong place |
| 21:43.48 | End | that's funny |
| 21:43.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ah. *shrug* i don't know, i didn't really test that. My version mostly just deals with northrend bullshit |
| 21:43.55 | NightHawkTheSane | End: .. you do? neat! :) |
| 21:43.58 | End | I must have found it, said "OH I NEED THIS" |
| 21:44.02 | End | and then put in the wrong folder |
| 21:44.10 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, good job :P |
| 21:44.43 | End | I was re-setting up all my addons last night |
| 21:44.48 | End | I was doing that a lot :X |
| 21:44.56 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, so.. calculating every tabard i could (relatively) easily attain, i'm at 23, which includes 5 wotlk-specific tabards. |
| 21:45.15 | cbreak | where do you store all those? |
| 21:45.23 | Castigo | what's the opposite of CreateFrame? DeleteFrame? i can't find any reference in the api |
| 21:45.23 | End | where's the tabard vendor, do you know? |
| 21:45.24 | jaxdahl | you only need to keep 2-3 tabards at most |
| 21:45.30 | Dewin | Castigo: You can't |
| 21:45.39 | jaxdahl | you can easily trash 'em and buy the ones you qualify for at the tabard vendor |
| 21:45.46 | NightHawkTheSane | End: there's one in the guild place in dalaran |
| 21:45.48 | cbreak | frames can not be deleted |
| 21:45.49 | End | ok |
| 21:45.54 | End | I know where that is |
| 21:45.54 | cbreak | they also are not garbage collected |
| 21:45.55 | End | oddly enough |
| 21:46.06 | cbreak | if you make one, it will stick in memory until you log out. |
| 21:46.08 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: im not saying i need to keep them, im just figuring out how to get to 25 :p |
| 21:46.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm still 2 short, though. i wonder how mch tabard loot cards go for on ebay. |
| 21:46.33 | End | oh, it doesn't even have that many tabards |
| 21:46.36 | End | and ick |
| 21:46.44 | End | I need to pay original price for some of them |
| 21:46.47 | NightHawkTheSane | End: no, really only rep-based ones from outland. |
| 21:46.49 | End | like glowcaps? fuck glowcaps |
| 21:46.57 | Castigo | so why the frames receives the events even if they are not shown or enabled for events anymore then? |
| 21:46.57 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 21:47.19 | cbreak | did you disable the event? |
| 21:47.22 | Dewin | What events? |
| 21:47.23 | cbreak | and it still gets them? |
| 21:47.38 | Castigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.38 | Castigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.38 | Castigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.47 | Castigo | i still get the mouse wheel event |
| 21:48.00 | cbreak | ... |
| 21:48.02 | End | I'm at 9 tabards :X |
| 21:48.07 | cbreak | put in nil if you want to unregister it |
| 21:48.09 | End | although |
| 21:48.17 | End | I'm exalted with a couple factions in azeroth |
| 21:48.25 | End | wonder if they have tabards |
| 21:48.25 | cbreak | also, check the stack trace when you get your event |
| 21:48.33 | cbreak | maybe you find out where your function gets called from |
| 21:48.57 | End | w/e, I'm not gonna worry about it right now though |
| 21:48.59 | Castigo | cbreak: MinimapZoom:EnableMouseWheel(false) <--- putting nil in the setscript should be unusefull 'cause of this |
| 21:49.08 | Castigo | but i still get the minimap zoom to work |
| 21:49.16 | cbreak | yes, but putting in an empty function also |
| 21:49.40 | cbreak | so check where your function gets called from |
| 21:49.44 | cbreak | maybe it helps |
| 21:50.30 | Castigo | cbreak nowhere int he code but in that piece pasted there is referenced |
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| 21:50.41 | jaxdahl | Castigo, are the beta realms currently up or down? |
| 21:50.49 | Castigo | jax it's going down in 4 mins |
| 21:50.54 | Castigo | hope it's just a 5mins restart |
| 21:51.04 | cbreak | if you replace your handler with nil, it still gets called? |
| 21:51.06 | jaxdahl | does it say restart or shutdown |
| 21:51.13 | Castigo | shutdown |
| 21:51.17 | Castigo | cbreak yes |
| 21:51.22 | Castigo | it does still get called |
| 21:51.28 | cbreak | from where? |
| 21:51.54 | Castigo | what's the command to popup the call stack in devtools again? |
| 21:52.39 | Esine | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.56 | Esine | no it's not that |
| 21:53.14 | Castigo | jax it's a shutdown >< |
| 21:53.20 | cbreak | I would try debug.traceback() |
| 21:53.27 | cbreak | but not sure if that is enabled in WoW |
| 21:53.59 | Dewin | bugsack manages to get a traceback, so I'd assume it is. |
| 21:53.59 | haste | debug isn't enabled in wow |
| 21:54.03 | Castigo | "[2008/10/09 22:53:49-177-x1]: <string>:"debug.traceback()":1: attempt to index global 'debug' (a nil value)" |
| 21:54.09 | Dewin | hmm, maybe not then |
| 21:54.09 | End | ick, suddenly I don't like stableboy, because I bought that ugly armored blue wind rider |
| 21:54.14 | haste | we have debugstack() in wow however |
| 21:54.48 | NightHawkTheSane | End: heh, sorry. :) |
| 21:55.07 | End | stupid ugly mount :( |
| 21:55.11 | jaxdahl2 | http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9162/0000014ld6.jpg wotlk on laserdisc? |
| 21:55.23 | Castigo | cbreak: i am a dick that's why it doesn't work |
| 21:55.55 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: looks more like wotlk on 3.5"floppies |
| 21:56.32 | Dewin | not 8" floppies? |
| 21:56.46 | NightHawkTheSane | you're an 8" floppy |
| 21:56.46 | Dewin | Actually, it might be on punchcards |
| 21:57.13 | jaxdahl2 | is the PTR down as well? |
| 21:57.25 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: I think that utterly fails as an insult. |
| 21:57.36 | Castigo | LOL i so much want the loot card "owned" |
| 21:57.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: who said it was an insult? :) |
| 21:57.53 | Castigo | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/october/Flag.jpg you can flag or deaths |
| 21:57.58 | Castigo | *ur |
| 22:03.33 | jaxdahl2 | Castigo, are they still down? if not, i'm surprised not to see 'Servers down??? why???' threads on the forums by now |
| 22:03.53 | Castigo | yes beta is still down |
| 22:03.57 | Castigo | even oddly enough |
| 22:04.04 | Castigo | i get "wrong password" on one of my 2 beta accounts |
| 22:04.31 | Castigo | just after "Success!" it tells me wrong password |
| 22:05.07 | jaxdahl2 | maybe a little maintenance going on? |
| 22:05.14 | Castigo | bah that pisses me off, developing like that sucks |
| 22:05.24 | Castigo | jax wasn't announced tho |
| 22:05.33 | Castigo | and tonightt he servers already rolled restart 4 times |
| 22:07.43 | jaxdahl2 | they almost never are announced |
| 22:07.52 | jaxdahl2 | if they are, it's like 5 minutes beforehand |
| 22:08.07 | Castigo | 99% the unanncouced ones comes when i am in instance |
| 22:08.40 | Castigo | aswell i haven't got probs with the US guys but using the same server for beta testing is kinda a baaad idea |
| 22:08.42 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, from an interview with Slash.. "I met this kid who came up to me and was blown away by the fact I was the guy in the Guitar Hero game, and he kept going on about that. Ten minutes later he goes, âDo you play real guitar?â" >< |
| 22:08.46 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/10/07/slash-this-time-around-were-not-making-compromises/ |
| 22:08.57 | Castigo | i can't test almost ANY of the outdoor content due to high latency |
| 22:09.24 | Castigo | nighthawk: ROFL i lolled IRL for that |
| 22:11.07 | Castigo | jax: yes are are still down *before you ask* |
| 22:11.24 | Castigo | (but i don't get the wrong passwd msg anymore) |
| 22:11.27 | Fisker- | i'm gonna make my breakthrough on Air Guitar Hero |
| 22:12.26 | Castigo | btw does anyone here plays on beta from US ? |
| 22:12.47 | Castigo | i was just wondering if the latency is impossible for US players too |
| 22:12.55 | NightHawkTheSane | its been pretty good lately |
| 22:13.10 | Castigo | pretty good like? |
| 22:13.27 | Castigo | i play normally on 24ms from any EU servers |
| 22:13.36 | jaxdahl2 | Castigo, oh, you're on Coldarra? i guess it's just eu beta that's down? |
| 22:13.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i get about the same latency as i get on live, ~50-150ms |
| 22:13.47 | Castigo | about 8000 on outdoor in the US servers and 500 in instance >< |
| 22:13.59 | jaxdahl2 | i get about 75-150 on us beta, it's fine |
| 22:14.06 | Castigo | jax indeed i am con Coldarra, but it's just 1 beta realm for US AND EU not 2 :P |
| 22:14.20 | Castigo | atleast afaik |
| 22:14.23 | jaxdahl2 | US has 3 beta realms |
| 22:14.44 | Castigo | so eu has 1 realm and it's located in the US? |
| 22:14.45 | Fisker- | EU don't need beta realms anyways |
| 22:14.48 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 22:14.53 | Castigo | Coldarra is down yes |
| 22:15.00 | Castigo | Fisker why? |
| 22:15.00 | Fisker- | It's more of a sandbox than any kind of testing tool |
| 22:15.11 | Fisker- | oh and in b4 NightHawkTheSane says i'm trolling |
| 22:15.28 | Lunessa | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/ding/Ding-2008-09-30.aspx |
| 22:17.53 | Castigo | lunessa have u seen the best apply ever? |
| 22:18.26 | Lunessa | Do I need to quote Pulp Fiction up in here? |
| 22:18.41 | Lunessa | I have no idea what you mean Castigo. |
| 22:19.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i think you do |
| 22:19.17 | Castigo | http://www.stickfigureninja.com/wow/application-audio.html |
| 22:19.25 | Lunessa | "English motherfucker! Do you speak it?" |
| 22:19.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (n=Dune@208-104-142-238.rhhe1.2wcm.comporium.net) |
| 22:19.31 | Lunessa | SFW? |
| 22:20.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.timeout.com/chicago/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/182/182.x600.drink.jo.chanskis.jpg?width=480 |
| 22:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | (to continue an earlier topic) |
| 22:22.19 | NightHawkTheSane | you're a sick fuck, ScytheBlade1. :p |
| 22:22.33 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: you know you want it |
| 22:22.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i do.. :( |
| 22:23.18 | jaxdahl2 | mmmm bacon |
| 22:24.06 | *** join/#wowuidev kandoko (n=Owner@adsl-068-159-119-207.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:24.22 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: dunno if you were around for it earlier, but: http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/post_135 |
| 22:25.29 | Castigo | Coldarra still offline >< |
| 22:26.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: i was, i even commented how much i loved the stranger. :p |
| 22:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: yeah my memory sucks |
| 22:26.46 | NightHawkTheSane | much like your mom. :D |
| 22:27.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey now wait a minute you're not Fisker- |
| 22:27.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 22:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | What are you doing making really old "your mom" jokes, eh? |
| 22:27.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@78.146.117.188) |
| 22:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i happen to like really old your mom jokes. sadly. as well as really bad/absurd/confusing "i'll x your y" jokes. |
| 22:28.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:28.07 | jaxdahl2 | your mom is old |
| 22:28.26 | vithos | NightHawkTheSane: i'll like your jokes. |
| 22:28.29 | Castigo | pls "âItâs like a hot dog flavored donut!â" as channel topic ^^ |
| 22:29.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I think those who could are either on a plane or in a hotel right now... hmm |
| 22:29.03 | *** part/#wowuidev ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 22:29.03 | *** join/#wowuidev ScytheBlade1 (n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1) |
| 22:29.13 | Thunder_Child | wtf ScytheBlade1? |
| 22:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I think our only +o who isn't at blizzcon is clad|sleep and possibly ckknight |
| 22:29.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso| (n=Kaso@78.146.117.188) |
| 22:29.38 | ScytheBlade1 | All of the others are |
| 22:29.40 | Thunder_Child | no i meant....nvm |
| 22:29.47 | ckknight | yea, I have to hold the fort here |
| 22:29.54 | ckknight | since Kaelten is going to Blizzcon |
| 22:29.56 | Thunder_Child | chanserv isnt... |
| 22:29.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:30.03 | ckknight | also, hey, I'm an op now |
| 22:30.05 | ckknight | what fun |
| 22:30.07 | ScytheBlade1 | So you get both #wowuidev and @wowace? |
| 22:30.07 | NightHawkTheSane | no, ChanServ went to blizzcon |
| 22:30.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Good times |
| 22:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | *#wowace |
| 22:30.15 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: and anything curse-related |
| 22:30.21 | jaxdahl2 | i expect chanserv to win the costume contest |
| 22:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: good stuff. I'll be sure to send the bots your way |
| 22:30.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: don't take this the wrong way, but that scares the crap out of me :) |
| 22:30.44 | jaxdahl2 | ckknight, take it the wrong way. please. |
| 22:30.46 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: I'm not prone to abusing my power on IRC |
| 22:30.58 | ckknight | jaxdahl2: but my costume would be so pimp :-( |
| 22:31.01 | ckknight | :-P |
| 22:31.13 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, LIES! |
| 22:31.16 | Thunder_Child | BADIN! |
| 22:31.21 | Thunder_Child | BADMIN* |
| 22:31.25 | ckknight | ? |
| 22:31.34 | Thunder_Child | pfft, you abuse them all the time |
| 22:31.44 | jaxdahl2 | one must be a bofh to be a true op |
| 22:31.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: yeah apparently you've had +o in here for at least a 24h, which is as far back as my /lastlog goes |
| 22:31.50 | Thunder_Child | exactly |
| 22:31.56 | jaxdahl2 | clickety-clack |
| 22:32.34 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: makes sense. we op'd Cairenn in #WARUIDev, and we're keeping both channels site-neutral and all |
| 22:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: should totally +o me =] |
| 22:32.58 | ckknight | ... |
| 22:33.04 | Castigo | Coldarra still down :( |
| 22:33.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: it was worth a shot! |
| 22:33.55 | End | blarg |
| 22:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | End: we having a patch? |
| 22:35.05 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, do you have a dead body? |
| 22:35.06 | End | maybe |
| 22:35.07 | End | I dunno |
| 22:35.14 | End | servers are all down though |
| 22:35.20 | Cidan | no |
| 22:35.23 | Cidan | only a few are |
| 22:35.24 | Cidan | also |
| 22:35.25 | Cidan | when is 3.0? |
| 22:35.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Supposedly on the 14th |
| 22:35.37 | End | all the US ones that I can see are down |
| 22:35.40 | End | or it's lying to me |
| 22:35.48 | End | although, I can't see PTR servers anymore.. |
| 22:36.01 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case, the Sbo-Bot only checks once per hour for new patches when I'm not expecting one |
| 22:36.03 | Cidan | It's just like, 15 or 20 of them |
| 22:36.07 | Cidan | I'm on mine now |
| 22:36.11 | Cidan | hm. |
| 22:36.13 | End | EU? |
| 22:36.15 | Cidan | oh |
| 22:36.16 | Cidan | no |
| 22:36.20 | Cidan | US, =D |
| 22:36.29 | Castigo | EU servers are up |
| 22:36.30 | End | Northrend? |
| 22:36.56 | End | anyways, all 3 beta servers are marked as offline |
| 22:37.21 | End | (I did check forums, but they didn't say anything there though) |
| 22:37.24 | Cidan | oh |
| 22:37.25 | Cidan | right |
| 22:37.28 | End | (So, I dunno why they are down) |
| 22:37.40 | End | oh |
| 22:37.41 | End | sorry |
| 22:37.41 | End | :P |
| 22:38.33 | Cidan | 3.0 will decide if I get WotLK |
| 22:38.37 | Cidan | So I hope it doesn't suck. |
| 22:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | If it launches on the 14th |
| 22:38.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda suspect it will |
| 22:39.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I really don't know if they can fix that many bugs befor then |
| 22:39.07 | NeoTron | Cidan: 3.0... really won't tell you man. the main thing in WotLK is WotLK |
| 22:39.14 | NeoTron | Northrend to be exact being zomgawesome |
| 22:39.26 | End | Remember 2.0? It'll probably be like that |
| 22:39.28 | Cidan | Well, I mean the changes in classes. |
| 22:39.32 | NeoTron | Cidan: what class do you play? |
| 22:39.36 | Castigo | End not really |
| 22:39.37 | Cidan | Paladin. |
| 22:39.38 | Lunessa | that is without a doubt the second worst guild application I've ever seen. |
| 22:39.43 | NeoTron | spec? |
| 22:39.45 | Cidan | Heal |
| 22:39.48 | Cidan | Holy, whatever |
| 22:39.48 | Castigo | 2.0 introduced the new talent trees but |
| 22:39.52 | Cidan | I haven't played in like, 7 months |
| 22:39.55 | NeoTron | I can tell you know that ret pally is so much fun |
| 22:40.00 | Cidan | No thanks |
| 22:40.01 | Castigo | they didn't really helped in the raid progress at all |
| 22:40.14 | Cidan | Half the time all I do is code anyway. Meh. |
| 22:40.18 | NeoTron | holy I can't really tell you :) |
| 22:40.23 | Cidan | Sit in Stormwind, turn off all channels, and code. |
| 22:40.27 | End | well, raids might not grind to a halt this time |
| 22:40.29 | NeoTron | but I had decided, before getting into beta, to leave my pally behind at 70 |
| 22:40.35 | End | this time we won't suddenly have a ton of honor gear either |
| 22:40.37 | Castigo | Cidan i envy u so much |
| 22:40.39 | NeoTron | after playing for just an hour or so I completely changed my mind |
| 22:40.40 | End | NeoTron: lawl |
| 22:40.43 | Cidan | Castigo: Why? |
| 22:40.48 | Castigo | if i sit in sw i get spammed by guldies and noobs |
| 22:40.54 | End | NeoTron: why am I not surprised :P |
| 22:40.59 | Castigo | i develop on a lvl 1 so none bother me |
| 22:41.04 | NeoTron | they just made ret fun to play |
| 22:41.14 | Cidan | Castigo: Go under the church, no one will find you |
| 22:41.16 | NeoTron | I tried to do some dailies and stuff on live and I couldn't do it |
| 22:41.33 | Lunessa | WotLK = ZOMG Awesome-sauce! (Not a Blizzard Fanboi). |
| 22:41.40 | Cidan | Is it better than TBC? |
| 22:41.45 | NeoTron | much |
| 22:41.46 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 22:41.47 | Cidan | Does it fix the lame TBC instances? |
| 22:41.50 | Cidan | Hm. |
| 22:42.00 | Castigo | Cidan unlucky the /w reaches you anywhere |
| 22:42.01 | End | Lunessa: why aren't you at blizzcon, eh, eh!? |
| 22:42.02 | NeoTron | just the new gameplay things |
| 22:42.09 | NeoTron | like vehicles and phasing |
| 22:42.16 | Cidan | Castigo: I'm level 66, no one wants me. |
| 22:42.21 | Lunessa | Not a fanboi (I couldn't get tix. *sob*) |
| 22:42.24 | Castigo | CIdan that's why i envy u |
| 22:42.36 | Cidan | So okay |
| 22:42.42 | Cidan | WotLK is full of win and awesome |
| 22:42.46 | Cidan | Maybe I will get it then |
| 22:42.56 | Castigo | I still haven't figured out |
| 22:43.04 | Castigo | WHY there is a multiplayer mount tho |
| 22:43.04 | End | oh, right, lottery |
| 22:43.17 | Castigo | what's the point of it |
| 22:43.23 | ZorbaBeta | castigo, *awesomeness* |
| 22:43.29 | Castigo | 15k golds to be "cool" |
| 22:43.34 | NeoTron | Castigo: scenario: You're helping a friend, new player, to level from level 1 and up |
| 22:43.36 | Castigo | zorba i just see it as epeen |
| 22:43.49 | NeoTron | or.. you dualbox and use your main to level up an alt faster |
| 22:43.51 | ZorbaBeta | neotron, I don't believe you can use them outside Northrend, though I could be wrong |
| 22:43.52 | Castigo | Neotron, and you spend 15k golds to taxi ur m8 around? |
| 22:43.56 | Lunessa | Traveller's Mamoth - room for 3 AND it has vendors! |
| 22:44.04 | End | but not at the same time |
| 22:44.16 | End | btw, how do you make vendors get out? or do they get out when someone tries to get on? |
| 22:44.17 | smcn | you spend $15 a month to obtain pixels? :P |
| 22:44.17 | NeoTron | ZorbaBeta: hmm.. I've used both the mammoth and motorcycle in IF/SW |
| 22:44.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Castigo: at a certain point, money becomes pretty worthless.. so why not |
| 22:44.19 | nevcairiel | Castigo: you always have vendors that sell you shit and repair your stuff, isnt that great |
| 22:44.25 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, really? guess I am wrong then :) |
| 22:44.28 | NeoTron | End: you get an action bar with two actions |
| 22:44.31 | Lunessa | Repairs, food/drink restocks. AWESOME. |
| 22:44.32 | Cidan | One day, somewhere, somehow, BLIZZARD will enable an option to pick your login screen. |
| 22:44.34 | End | really? |
| 22:44.35 | ZorbaBeta | I heard it couldn't be used, but I suppose I am incorrect |
| 22:44.36 | End | well |
| 22:44.38 | End | I'd check |
| 22:44.41 | NeoTron | Castigo: also a status symbol |
| 22:44.42 | End | but it's down right now |
| 22:44.43 | Castigo | nevca i got repairs bot for that if "REALLY" need |
| 22:44.43 | End | ;_; |
| 22:44.45 | Cidan | Because I want, the old login. |
| 22:44.51 | NeoTron | I mean why pay 1500g to buy a hippogryph mount? |
| 22:44.51 | ZorbaBeta | castigo, repair bots cost money on each use |
| 22:44.55 | Castigo | Neotron yep status symbol = epeen |
| 22:44.58 | NeoTron | 1000g for a "of the shattered sun" title? |
| 22:44.58 | End | some of us aren't engineers! |
| 22:45.03 | Castigo | epeen |
| 22:45.08 | End | I have that title, never used it though |
| 22:45.08 | ZorbaBeta | the mammoth doesn't. Plus it's awesome. |
| 22:45.12 | ZorbaBeta | *awesome* |
| 22:45.17 | NeoTron | but what I really want is a multi-passenger flying mount |
| 22:45.18 | Lunessa | And it says, "Look at me Bitches! I have the most expensive toy in the game. You want to be me!" |
| 22:45.24 | NeoTron | so I can dual-box my way around northrend gathering |
| 22:45.25 | Tekkub | "So yup i belive you may be correct, if so im making loads of these for my tauren for those instance fights where Taurens are waaaay to big an fill the screen. may work out cheaper than all those Noggenfogger pots ;) |
| 22:45.25 | Tekkub | " |
| 22:45.27 | Tekkub | ... |
| 22:45.30 | Cidan | I wonder |
| 22:45.33 | ZorbaBeta | honestly, I'll probably get one, not because I care about e-peen but just because I think *riding a mammoth is fucking sweet* |
| 22:45.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i actually paid 1000g for the SSO title, just so i could have a long ass name. |
| 22:45.46 | Tekkub | why the fuck did you take a tauren if you didn't want your screen filled with bug furry sexiness? |
| 22:45.48 | NightHawkTheSane | "Connenneute of the Shattered Sun" |
| 22:45.48 | End | Lunessa: I plan on buying many casks of that 365 day duration wine |
| 22:45.51 | Cidan | If you have the Phoenix mount, do you need that frozen flying skill? You would think, what with flaming wings... |
| 22:46.03 | End | the common folk cannot compare! |
| 22:46.10 | Lunessa | You need Cold Weather Flying. |
| 22:46.18 | Cidan | Shame, =D |
| 22:46.21 | Castigo | i haven't leveled in northrend yet at all |
| 22:46.22 | Lunessa | End, lots of drinking. LOTS AND LOTS of drinking. |
| 22:46.24 | Castigo | so i don't know about the golds |
| 22:46.25 | Cidan | Oh well, I don't even have a flying mout at all. |
| 22:46.27 | End | indeed |
| 22:46.31 | Cidan | mount, even. |
| 22:46.36 | Castigo | but it's so easy to obtain them that 15k are worthless? |
| 22:46.51 | NightHawkTheSane | on beta, 15k actually IS worthless. |
| 22:46.56 | End | true |
| 22:47.00 | Lunessa | On beta. But not on live. |
| 22:47.05 | End | I bought a ton of shit I normally wouldn't |
| 22:47.11 | NightHawkTheSane | but even on live, it's not like money is hard to acquire if you put your mind to it |
| 22:47.32 | Castigo | night nah i CBA about the dailies |
| 22:47.38 | Castigo | after 2 days of doing those quest i get dead bored |
| 22:47.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Castigo: you're loss, my point stands. |
| 22:47.46 | NightHawkTheSane | your* |
| 22:47.46 | Cidan | Anything you see in the beta, will likely be that way in live. It was like that with WoW beta, and TBC beta |
| 22:48.07 | Cidan | Guildmate: "GREENS WON'T BE THAT AMAZING IN TBC!!!" |
| 22:48.14 | Cidan | Me: "Uhm, yes they will." |
| 22:48.14 | Castigo | Cidan i doubt i will manage to sell a stack of peacebloom for 500g on a live server m8 |
| 22:48.15 | End | I probably will buy the mammoth, but I don't plan on using it specifically that much....I'm fairly ...well off though |
| 22:48.20 | End | not as well off as Xinhuan though |
| 22:48.28 | Cidan | Castigo: Oh, that, yeah, perhaps. |
| 22:48.29 | NeoTron | and it's not 15k |
| 22:48.34 | End | yeah |
| 22:48.35 | NeoTron | it's 16k at exalted, 20k normally |
| 22:48.36 | End | it's 20k |
| 22:48.38 | NightHawkTheSane | End: few people are that well off. |
| 22:48.42 | End | true |
| 22:48.51 | Castigo | night i know about the dailies it's my bad, but still 15k i suppose won't be easy to achieve |
| 22:48.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: bastard! |
| 22:49.02 | Lunessa | WotLK won't be a total gear reset for raiders. You won't kill a trash mob in Borean and replace your purples. |
| 22:49.12 | ScytheBlade1 | It's true |
| 22:49.19 | Castigo | Cidan i came on beta with 400g, the day after i had 30k golds |
| 22:49.31 | Cidan | That's sick |
| 22:49.34 | Castigo | just 'cause i wanted to level up inscription and i put the herbs extra |
| 22:49.35 | End | I've replaced about 3 pieces of gear, but I haven't done any instances |
| 22:49.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Castigo: *shrug* it won't be trivial, but it won't be terribly hard, if -- like i said -- you put your mind to it |
| 22:49.36 | smcn | my first epic replaced with a green was in sholazar basin, around lvl 77 |
| 22:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm 79 with all of my level 70 epics |
| 22:49.41 | Castigo | that i farmed on the AH |
| 22:49.55 | smcn | en masse replacement of epics will start in heroics for most people |
| 22:49.55 | End | (I'm mid t6 level of gear fyi) |
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| 22:50.07 | NightHawkTheSane | my 80 shaman is still using a couple pieces of old 70 epics (t6 quality, generally) |
| 22:50.09 | Castigo | End class? |
| 22:50.13 | End | Warlock |
| 22:50.14 | NeoTron | a friend of mine has made at least half a million gold on beta by selling inscriptions |
| 22:50.20 | NeoTron | I don't kno whwy he's doing it but alas |
| 22:50.39 | Tekkub | Lies! |
| 22:50.40 | Castigo | uhm... i was wondering how long my t6 will last aswell |
| 22:50.46 | Dashkal | I'm strange... I'm seriously considering just downgrading from my pve purple gear simply to get the very very well drawn gear right off teh bat... |
| 22:50.49 | Castigo | from what i've seen swp parts will be replaced quite late |
| 22:51.00 | Castigo | lvl 78 blues are still worse than it |
| 22:51.14 | NeoTron | from a pure item level it shouldn't be |
| 22:51.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Castigo: barring itemization philosophy changes, t6/swp gear will probably be start being repliced by level 80 instance drops and up |
| 22:51.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not even in SWP (most of the way through BT), generally decked, 79, and having a very hard time finding items that are straight upgrades |
| 22:51.25 | NeoTron | they are like 20 ilevels higher or so aren't they? |
| 22:51.25 | Castigo | i hoped that apart from weapons/shields i would have kept my t6 up to naxx |
| 22:51.34 | NightHawkTheSane | probably nothign before heroics, honestly |
| 22:51.54 | Castigo | Scythe not really |
| 22:51.56 | NeoTron | normal level 80 5-man gear should be better than SWP gear unless it's itemized badly |
| 22:51.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Castigo: uhh that's my personal experience |
| 22:52.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 22:52.10 | Castigo | no sorry |
| 22:52.14 | Castigo | i meant Neotron |
| 22:52.14 | Castigo | lolz |
| 22:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 22:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:52.18 | Castigo | sorry man |
| 22:52.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I was... confused |
| 22:52.27 | ScytheBlade1 | No worries |
| 22:52.34 | Castigo | i noticed that weapons are straight updates |
| 22:52.37 | smcn | ilvl between epic and blue is different anyways isn't it? |
| 22:52.38 | Castigo | while the rest is :S |
| 22:52.44 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: eh? |
| 22:52.59 | cbreak | I've taken my Mage T2 set out of the bank today. |
| 22:53.00 | NeoTron | smcn: an epic is ~= rare +5 ilevels is it not? |
| 22:53.01 | ScytheBlade1 | item quality (green blue purple etc) is how high above the ilevel budget it is |
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| 22:53.02 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: top level blues are, iirc ilvl 200, 10-man nax and heroics drop ilvl 200 epics |
| 22:53.04 | cbreak | it still looks great. |
| 22:53.18 | NeoTron | ilevel 200 blues = heroic level blues |
| 22:53.26 | NeoTron | normal 5-man blues are ilevel 187 or so I think |
| 22:54.49 | Castigo | http://armory.wow-europe.com/item-info.xml?i=30976 VS http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/september/8982/heroic_plate_tank_chest_sun-emblazonedchestplate.jpg |
| 22:54.54 | Castigo | (lvl 80 heroic drop) |
| 22:55.55 | jaxdahl | Castigo, i'm at home now and US realms seem to be down as well |
| 22:56.08 | Castigo | jax probably patchtime |
| 22:57.07 | jaxdahl | hop to it ScytheBlade1, i guess |
| 22:59.07 | Castigo | i suppose that u will see healers in tier6 in naxx while tanks will need upgrades due to more stamina |
| 22:59.22 | Castigo | as it was in tbc? |
| 22:59.28 | jaxdahl | t6 healers will go oom quickly |
| 22:59.51 | jaxdahl | and/or not have enough throughput |
| 23:00.34 | NeoTron | Castigo: technically speaking, compare with this one: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=30976 |
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| 23:01.04 | Castigo | that one with what? |
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| 23:01.10 | jaxdahl | tanks will be able to regem their t6 gear to keep them going until they find pieces to upgrade to |
| 23:01.20 | NeoTron | just pointing out that the item will be changed in 3.0 |
| 23:01.39 | End | ah |
| 23:01.42 | End | agi->str |
| 23:01.53 | NeoTron | more threat, less avoidance |
| 23:02.14 | Castigo | tho still piss me off that the chest that costed me hour of raiding will be worse than a lvl 80 blues >< |
| 23:02.19 | jaxdahl | you will find that tanks in 3.0 will be doing a lot more DPS than 2.4 |
| 23:02.33 | Castigo | jax i tried doing nexus already on Castigo |
| 23:02.36 | NeoTron | Castigo: that is pretty much the whole point of an expansion :P |
| 23:02.43 | Castigo | and i actually wasn't pleased |
| 23:02.53 | Castigo | since they made tanking too easy |
| 23:02.54 | NeoTron | you don't have to do naxx-10 to go on to naxx-25, but you should (prefer to) do heroic 5-mans to get to naxx-10 |
| 23:03.08 | jaxdahl | IMO they can make heroics a bit harder than they currently are |
| 23:03.18 | NeoTron | jaxdahl: in many cases, yes definitely |
| 23:03.30 | NeoTron | some of them feel pretty well balanced but many are just too easy |
| 23:03.35 | jaxdahl | although i'm a naxx geared tank |
| 23:03.35 | Castigo | i found that that tanking in the new tree is "stupidly easy" |
| 23:05.07 | NeoTron | jaxdahl: I've tanked a bunch of heroics in premade pvp gear |
| 23:05.29 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/dk/items.htm <-- gear list here |
| 23:06.25 | Castigo | DK tank? |
| 23:06.29 | jaxdahl | yes |
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| 23:07.08 | Castigo | i am curious to understand aswell how dk tanking works |
| 23:07.18 | Castigo | due to slow weaps, no shield |
| 23:07.22 | Castigo | is it dodge based? |
| 23:07.24 | jaxdahl | i've tanked everything except malygos and sapphiron |
| 23:07.29 | NightHawkTheSane | parry, largely |
| 23:07.38 | jaxdahl | it's avoidance based |
| 23:07.40 | jaxdahl | and high armor |
| 23:07.48 | NightHawkTheSane | 65% armor from frost presence helps make up for the shield |
| 23:07.51 | jaxdahl | 60% |
| 23:07.53 | Castigo | ok and how do u cope threat with so "slow" weapons? |
| 23:07.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, my bad |
| 23:08.02 | NightHawkTheSane | lots of instants |
| 23:08.05 | jaxdahl | ^ |
| 23:08.13 | jaxdahl | and i have an ability called Rune Strike |
| 23:08.21 | jaxdahl | that does 200% weap damage whenever i dodge or parry an attack |
| 23:08.22 | Castigo | they reset the swing timer aswell? |
| 23:08.25 | jaxdahl | on the next swing |
| 23:08.32 | jaxdahl | not really Castigo |
| 23:08.54 | Castigo | 200% weap dmg on next attack is cool, shame the next attack is in half an hour (that's what worries me) |
| 23:09.12 | jaxdahl | don't forget that parries speed up your next swing |
| 23:09.31 | jaxdahl | i have about 21-23% parry base |
| 23:09.36 | NightHawkTheSane | its not like the swing timer is all that long |
| 23:09.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, what, 3.8s at most? |
| 23:09.47 | NightHawkTheSane | haste will speed that up |
| 23:09.50 | Neuro_Medivh | especially with all the +haste on melee gear now |
| 23:09.56 | NeoTron | Castigo: as noted DK's have a lot of instant attacks too |
| 23:10.02 | NightHawkTheSane | and if you're frost, that's 25% inherent haste |
| 23:10.03 | jaxdahl | DKs don't rely on haste |
| 23:10.04 | NeoTron | not to mention passive threat via diseases |
| 23:10.18 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: dont rely on, no, but its's hard to not get it. |
| 23:10.23 | jaxdahl | i have 3.33 weapon speed with a 3.6 weapon as a frost tank |
| 23:10.35 | Castigo | before being missunderstood, i am asking 'cause i am curious myself, not criticising anything |
| 23:10.39 | Castigo | spelling ftw |
| 23:10.40 | Neuro_Medivh | threat isn't that big a deal for a DK anymore.. not with death grip and dark command |
| 23:10.44 | jaxdahl | and i typically keep icy touch going so i have the icy talons buff |
| 23:11.08 | jaxdahl | on a boss fight if i do things well i can get about 75-80% overall melee attack avoidance |
| 23:11.14 | Neuro_Medivh | jax: you run as frost? How's that working? I'm still stuck in the Blood mentality |
| 23:11.26 | jaxdahl | frost tank, yeah |
| 23:11.28 | Syzgyn | I quick question to you all: |
| 23:11.30 | jaxdahl | with over 25% of that being 1/2 damage due to IBF |
| 23:11.31 | Syzgyn | A* |
| 23:11.35 | End | Syzgyn: Pie |
| 23:11.38 | End | That's my answer |
| 23:11.46 | Syzgyn | Good answer, but not applicable |
| 23:11.48 | Syzgyn | Anyway |
| 23:11.50 | Neuro_Medivh | but what KIND of pie? That's important! |
| 23:11.54 | End | apple |
| 23:11.59 | jaxdahl | Neuro_Medivh, i have an amazing amount of avoidance/mitigation buttons available to me |
| 23:12.03 | Neuro_Medivh | Blueberry? Apple? Shephards? |
| 23:12.12 | jaxdahl | and great instant threat when i need it |
| 23:12.31 | Castigo | "sad" and "happy" food instead are just for the lul? |
| 23:12.45 | Neuro_Medivh | jax: Hmm... I just really like Blood for tanking, due to Death Strike heals+threat |
| 23:12.46 | Syzgyn | If I told you achievements were trackable, just like quests, would you try to track them the same way you track quests? I.E. Shift clicking them. |
| 23:13.02 | jaxdahl | Neuro_Medivh, did you know rune tap generates no threat? |
| 23:13.16 | jaxdahl | at least the heal on myself doesn't. |
| 23:13.22 | Neuro_Medivh | so? I don't have rune tap |
| 23:13.33 | Castigo | jax are beta servers back up? |
| 23:13.37 | jaxdahl | does death strike healing generate threat? |
| 23:13.45 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, if it's not overheals |
| 23:14.05 | jaxdahl | Castigo, no |
| 23:14.09 | End | Syzgyn: no, I'd click the tracking thing |
| 23:14.16 | End | because I already know they are trackable :P |
| 23:14.26 | Syzgyn | The tracking thing? |
| 23:14.31 | End | the checkbox? |
| 23:14.35 | Syzgyn | Ah yes |
| 23:14.37 | jaxdahl | Neuro_Medivh, generally i like to bring healers in my raid to.. heal me.. |
| 23:14.40 | Neuro_Medivh | there's not another patch is there? |
| 23:14.45 | Syzgyn | You can shift-click them too, btw :P |
| 23:14.46 | End | no new patch |
| 23:14.48 | End | yet |
| 23:14.49 | End | :P |
| 23:15.01 | End | beta is back up again :P |
| 23:15.12 | Syzgyn | But then I get the top comment here http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10867-UrbanAchiever.html#comments |
| 23:15.14 | Syzgyn | :( |
| 23:15.27 | jaxdahl | _just_ came back, end |
| 23:15.34 | End | well |
| 23:15.38 | End | I just checked |
| 23:15.39 | End | :P |
| 23:15.53 | End | Syzgyn: ah |
| 23:16.04 | End | I use the default blizzard one though :P |
| 23:16.11 | Syzgyn | I mean, is that common sense enough to not merit documentation? |
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| 23:16.25 | End | dunno |
| 23:16.28 | Syzgyn | End: Well start using mine, its better :P |
| 23:16.39 | Castigo | aswell achievement points are epeen again or once you achieved a certain amount of points |
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| 23:16.48 | Castigo | you have something accessible? |
| 23:16.56 | Syzgyn | ...what? |
| 23:17.22 | Syzgyn | Achievement points are pure e-peen |
| 23:17.26 | Castigo | 'cause so far i haven't found anything with the achievement points |
| 23:17.32 | Syzgyn | Theres not |
| 23:17.36 | Syzgyn | and not going to be either |
| 23:17.49 | Syzgyn | Outside of the titles/rewards for specific ones |
| 23:17.53 | Castigo | e-peen / sign of dedication to ur char |
| 23:17.56 | Castigo | as it is |
| 23:17.56 | End | I used yours briefly...I think it showed entire achievement chains? and I liked that |
| 23:18.02 | End | but the display didn't feel...right at the time |
| 23:18.15 | Syzgyn | End: Elaborate? |
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| 23:18.40 | End | I don't know really |
| 23:18.49 | Syzgyn | Thats not helpful! |
| 23:18.50 | End | that's something that's hard for me to pin down |
| 23:18.53 | End | I know |
| 23:19.04 | End | If I could be more helpful, I would be :P |
| 23:19.06 | Syzgyn | Did you use it before I added the textures? |
| 23:19.10 | End | possibly |
| 23:19.13 | Syzgyn | when it was all black |
| 23:19.23 | End | I don't remember off hand |
| 23:19.31 | Syzgyn | It's much better looking now |
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| 23:20.29 | End | I'll take another look at some point, and let you know if I figure out what is bugging me |
| 23:20.41 | Syzgyn | Much obliged |
| 23:20.59 | Castigo | btw i need a Rubik's cube addon |
| 23:21.02 | Castigo | as the poker one |
| 23:21.05 | Syzgyn | Lol |
| 23:21.19 | NightHawkTheSane | when did wsg become a fucking epic game >< |
| 23:21.55 | Castigo | poker addon is brillant |
| 23:22.04 | Castigo | but i need something else to slack in "solo" |
| 23:22.06 | Castigo | gief rubik's cube |
| 23:22.16 | Syzgyn | Castigo: I hacked that for a friend a while back, he was able to see everyones cards :P |
| 23:22.17 | Sixen | kd3, duman, you guys still here? |
| 23:22.34 | ScytheBlade1 | probably not |
| 23:22.34 | Syzgyn | rubiks cube would be tough to display correctly |
| 23:22.40 | ScytheBlade1 | duman might be |
| 23:22.46 | Sixen | =p |
| 23:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | But kd3 almost 100% isn't |
| 23:22.50 | Sixen | sbo, are you going? |
| 23:22.53 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 23:22.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I lack money |
| 23:23.00 | Sixen | =[ |
| 23:23.24 | Castigo | syz omfg pass it over |
| 23:23.28 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 23:23.32 | Castigo | so i win all the golds from my guildies! |
| 23:23.46 | Syzgyn | It was a pretty easy hack if I remember right |
| 23:23.49 | Syzgyn | but you had to be the host |
| 23:24.09 | Castigo | p.s. don't tell it to my raid leader but we used to take 2 warr tanks and 1 palatank in mh |
| 23:24.15 | Castigo | the warr tanks /danced on the trashes |
| 23:24.28 | Castigo | so me and the ot installed that addon and played non stop on the trashes |
| 23:25.10 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 23:26.13 | jaxdahl | hmmm |
| 23:26.21 | jaxdahl | they changed something about the way item links are handled in chat |
| 23:26.41 | jaxdahl | if i try to link something like Last Laugh, it shows up as text and not a link |
| 23:27.14 | Syzgyn | Castigo: hah yea, I still have it |
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| 23:28.39 | jaxdahl | i'm able to pull 'em from SetHyperlink |
| 23:31.29 | NeoTron | Castigo: get my not quite finished tetris. :P |
| 23:32.03 | Castigo | Neotron omfg u want me kicked from the gild don't u |
| 23:32.38 | NeoTron | http://www.wowace.com/projects/grav-blox/ |
| 23:32.54 | NeoTron | I REALLY should sit down and polish it. add sound effects, highscore etc |
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| 23:33.48 | jaxdahl | any idea why DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(sLink); would give me a proper link but SendChatMessage(sLink, "GUILD"); would just send plain text to the guild for some items but would give a proper link for other items? |
| 23:40.16 | Syzgyn | NeoTron: Whats the game? |
| 23:41.41 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: tetris pretty much |
| 23:41.45 | Syzgyn | Ah |
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| 23:56.49 | Lunessa | Heh, Tetris... the original video game life-suck. |
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| 23:57.28 | NeoTron | my own interpretation of it of course |
| 23:57.29 | Castigo | nn every1 |
| 23:57.42 | Tekkub | and off I go to the airport |
| 23:57.43 | NeoTron | it was my first WoW addon.. :P |
| 23:58.21 | Lunessa | NeoTron: Good place to start. Add crack to your crack. |
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| 23:59.15 | Fisker- | He who slaps first slaps best |
| 23:59.29 | Fisker- | Your disguise will not work |
| 23:59.46 | Shirik | hi Guest4605 |
