| 00:00.18 | cladhaire | Consider the time commitment I've made this past month |
| 00:00.21 | cladhaire | which is purely my fault |
| 00:00.27 | cladhaire | and the fact that it was completely for nothing |
| 00:00.34 | cladhaire | that doesn't exactly motivate me all that much |
| 00:00.36 | Legorol | that was at level 70 though |
| 00:00.38 | cladhaire | but this is all my fault. |
| 00:00.41 | Legorol | is that relevant for wrath? |
| 00:00.54 | cladhaire | When I don't know what the outlook is.. yes |
| 00:00.56 | Legorol | is anything gained at 70 going to be useful at 80 at all? |
| 00:01.01 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:01.04 | Legorol | ok |
| 00:01.04 | cladhaire | that's exactly the point. |
| 00:01.09 | cladhaire | and that's what I'm trying to learn from. |
| 00:01.21 | Legorol | but.. isn't that usually the case with expansions? |
| 00:01.26 | selckin1 | cladhaire: it is an mmo, can't do anything without the timesink |
| 00:01.28 | Redguard | yes |
| 00:01.34 | Legorol | i mean, i totally sympathise with your wasted time, i'm not saying "lol" in any way |
| 00:01.38 | cladhaire | selckin1: I don't mind spending _some_ time. |
| 00:01.59 | Legorol | what i'm trying to say is: expansion comes, it makes everything obsolete, happened with tbc, what's new? |
| 00:02.06 | cladhaire | but people really don't seem to understand how much it takes right now to even get into a freaking battleground premade |
| 00:02.14 | selckin1 | honor requirements etc that high? they are increasing the amount you get |
| 00:02.20 | cladhaire | Legorol: Nothing.. |
| 00:02.38 | Legorol | I can understand the part about: you farmed yourself to become competitive |
| 00:02.46 | cladhaire | Legorol: But this is all stuff I need to consider |
| 00:02.51 | cladhaire | especially considering how I feel at the moment. |
| 00:02.52 | Legorol | now that wrath is coming, you are back to 0, and can't/don't want to farm again to be competitive |
| 00:03.04 | Legorol | that part i understand |
| 00:03.21 | Legorol | so, here is my question: what if you don't try to be competitive ;-) just live with the gear that you have and enjoy that |
| 00:03.30 | cladhaire | then whats the poing? |
| 00:03.38 | cladhaire | I don't play games to be mediocre at nothing |
| 00:03.40 | Legorol | personally i think that making arena players play BGs is silly |
| 00:03.41 | cladhaire | err everything |
| 00:03.53 | cladhaire | I don't want to be the best |
| 00:03.57 | Legorol | that's a fair point |
| 00:04.03 | cladhaire | sure, it would be nice, but I recognize 100% I don't have the time to put forth |
| 00:04.08 | Legorol | unfortunately, mmo = more time, more progress, at least in wow |
| 00:04.16 | cladhaire | sure, I understand that |
| 00:04.20 | cladhaire | hence my question. |
| 00:04.30 | cladhaire | about whether I should continue playing or not. |
| 00:04.38 | Legorol | it's difficult though, because what else is there |
| 00:04.41 | cladhaire | I don't have a guild anymore |
| 00:04.46 | Legorol | a standard everyon-is-equal pvp game like a shooter is boring as crap |
| 00:04.53 | cladhaire | all I've got is sioraioc_, and he's still leveling to 70 |
| 00:05.10 | cladhaire | I mean, why not just help him get 70, then duo level with him and arena with him |
| 00:05.12 | cladhaire | that's all well and good |
| 00:05.17 | selckin1 | shouldn't be too hard to get a guild at 80 ? |
| 00:05.18 | cladhaire | but being shitty at something is only fun for so long |
| 00:05.31 | selckin1 | try make some friends while leveling |
| 00:05.31 | Legorol | mmmm what about looking at it this way: |
| 00:05.36 | cladhaire | a guild of people I can't relate too at all isn't "fun" for me. |
| 00:05.41 | Legorol | cladhaire's version of WoW PvP and The Challenge |
| 00:05.45 | Legorol | here lies my proposal |
| 00:06.01 | Legorol | your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to achieve a higher rating than other people who wwear the same gear as you |
| 00:06.18 | cladhaire | ah see, and there's the fundamental problem :P |
| 00:06.22 | cladhaire | there's no way to do that |
| 00:06.29 | Legorol | your gear can be crap, and if you are holding ground against people in slightly better gear, then you have achieved the goal, you are doing your best, and you are enjoying the game |
| 00:06.39 | cladhaire | you don't get to play people that have similar gear |
| 00:06.42 | Cairenn | not necessarily on the last part |
| 00:06.57 | cladhaire | hence why the highly persuasive argument falls down :P |
| 00:07.06 | cladhaire | because I agree with you 100% |
| 00:07.15 | Cairenn | 4 sleeps! |
| 00:07.18 | Legorol | well no you don't get to play with the same gear, but you do get to play with the same rating |
| 00:07.24 | Legorol | so that's why my proposal |
| 00:07.26 | cladhaire | Legorol: which means absolutely nothing |
| 00:07.32 | Legorol | just hear me out :) |
| 00:07.41 | cladhaire | even with the new hidden rating system |
| 00:07.43 | cladhaire | okay |
| 00:07.48 | cladhaire | then I'm going to bed ;-) |
| 00:07.52 | Legorol | if you are playing people that seem to have better gear than you, and you are still winning some games, and holding steady at a particular rating, |
| 00:07.53 | Legorol | then you are good |
| 00:07.59 | Legorol | so make that your aim |
| 00:08.10 | Legorol | you will not get to 2200 |
| 00:08.15 | Legorol | that's not the aim though |
| 00:08.25 | Legorol | the aim is to have a higher rating than people who wear the *same gear* as you have |
| 00:08.28 | Redguard | yes I will |
| 00:08.30 | Redguard | :/ |
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| 00:09.10 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.23 | Legorol | Real world analogy: football. As a 16-year old, you can't compete with a world-class adult player. Instead, you compete to beat other 16 year olds |
| 00:09.40 | Redguard | wrong |
| 00:09.57 | Legorol | and if you are the top 16-year old, then you move a bit further up the ladder |
| 00:09.58 | Redguard | you certainly can, and given the only thing holding you back is mental training |
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| 00:10.06 | Redguard | you most certainly can compete with the best |
| 00:10.06 | kd3 | damn it... my fingers keep typing teh instead of the |
| 00:10.18 | cladhaire | This is all a very nice hypothetical argument, and in principle I agree with you |
| 00:10.23 | cladhaire | but that's not really how it feels |
| 00:10.29 | cladhaire | the arena trends down, and always has |
| 00:10.38 | Legorol | what is "trending down"? |
| 00:10.43 | Redguard | Legorol you by labeling are dooming yourself to limits and boundaries which don't exist |
| 00:10.45 | cladhaire | I'm sure its a problem with me |
| 00:10.57 | tardmrr | what is "tending down?" |
| 00:10.58 | Corrodias | pvp always made me horribly depressed |
| 00:10.59 | Legorol | my approach to pvp: i don't have any pvp gear, because i don't pvp enough |
| 00:11.04 | cladhaire | Legorol: The rate at which you get gear at the competitive level we are discussing, the season changes alone cause your rating to drop. |
| 00:11.18 | Legorol | so when i join an arena game, my aim is to kick the hell out of the other 1300 rated teams who are wearing S2 |
| 00:11.26 | Redguard | .. |
| 00:11.34 | cladhaire | and that frustrates me |
| 00:11.36 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 00:11.44 | cladhaire | I want to have fun |
| 00:11.45 | Redguard | Legorol I went into season 4 with all greens and 1515 rating after 75 games (couldnt gain or lose) |
| 00:11.50 | Tem | if I can't keep a team abvove 1500 I quite playing it |
| 00:11.53 | cladhaire | and I've realizd that I'm not having fun anymore |
| 00:12.13 | Legorol | that's the most important argument so far :) |
| 00:12.18 | Redguard | falling to 1600 isnt because you have s1 or s2, it's because you have no strategy at all or syncronization |
| 00:12.20 | Legorol | so quit and come back in a year |
| 00:12.27 | cladhaire | you can't |
| 00:12.36 | cladhaire | wow isn't fun to play catch-up on |
| 00:12.40 | cladhaire | I just did it |
| 00:12.42 | cladhaire | I know :P |
| 00:12.47 | Legorol | i agree in pvp it sucks :/ |
| 00:12.51 | cladhaire | even in PVE |
| 00:12.53 | Legorol | in pve it gets easier to catch up it seems |
| 00:12.57 | cladhaire | tho its much more manageable. |
| 00:13.21 | cladhaire | I'm just stuck |
| 00:13.23 | cladhaire | I have one character here |
| 00:13.28 | selckin1 | you've been playing catchup which is why you are down |
| 00:13.28 | Legorol | anyhoo, if it's no fun, then baibai, or buy the expansion, play the DK start area, then stop subscribing :) |
| 00:13.32 | selckin1 | wwrath = reset, no catch up |
| 00:13.35 | cladhaire | there is no way in bloody hell I can ever level another character o 70 from fun. |
| 00:13.50 | cladhaire | I've been playing DK since alpha, and enjoy it |
| 00:13.59 | cladhaire | so that gives me two characters |
| 00:14.09 | Legorol | another possibility: |
| 00:14.21 | Legorol | get the expansion, unsubscribe after 2 weeks |
| 00:14.26 | Legorol | it's not a big loss of money |
| 00:14.27 | cladhaire | I get to heal again, which I enjoy.. btu healing in arena is either an incredible rush.. or a suicide-worth experience. |
| 00:14.35 | Legorol | hehe |
| 00:14.38 | cladhaire | Legorol: if i buy it, i'll level to 80 |
| 00:14.41 | cladhaire | both you and I know that |
| 00:14.44 | Legorol | Redguard: i suck at pvp, that's why i aim at 1300 |
| 00:14.48 | cladhaire | and I'm buying it either way |
| 00:14.57 | Legorol | cladhaire: that's what the two weeks are for ;-) |
| 00:15.07 | cladhaire | ha! |
| 00:15.08 | cladhaire | two weeks |
| 00:15.08 | Redguard | Legorol I don't mean to erm, disrespect you, but 1300 is pretty bad :( |
| 00:15.11 | cladhaire | what crack are you smoking.. |
| 00:15.16 | Legorol | Redguard: indeed |
| 00:15.19 | cladhaire | I have less than two weeks to get my addons updated.. |
| 00:15.24 | cladhaire | bah |
| 00:15.25 | cladhaire | *stab* |
| 00:15.27 | Legorol | cladhaire: i was mostly joking, sorry |
| 00:15.43 | cladhaire | I'm sorry if I'm being polly pissy pants |
| 00:15.45 | Legorol | Redguard: i did say i suck, and i play with friends/family instead of trying to be competitive |
| 00:15.49 | cladhaire | was just trying to talk things through with you guys |
| 00:15.52 | cladhaire | i have no friends on these servers |
| 00:15.52 | Redguard | Legorol gotcha |
| 00:15.55 | cladhaire | its just sioraioc_ |
| 00:15.57 | Legorol | cladhaire: nono, this channel is a great place :) |
| 00:16.00 | cladhaire | and that's enough to keep me playing |
| 00:16.06 | Legorol | venting here is good |
| 00:16.12 | cladhaire | and not for any reason other than the fact that I like playing with him |
| 00:16.17 | Redguard | Legorol in that case you most likely are limited to 1450 max due to uncompetitive nature of family and friends in a competitive environment |
| 00:16.27 | Legorol | Redguard: indeed |
| 00:16.30 | Legorol | and that's fine with me |
| 00:16.32 | cladhaire | sioraiocht: ohai full name |
| 00:16.34 | Redguard | as long as you have fun |
| 00:16.43 | Redguard | i hope :) |
| 00:16.45 | Legorol | I'm pretty competitive in the things that i want to be competitive in |
| 00:16.51 | Legorol | pvp atm isn't it :) |
| 00:17.09 | cladhaire | more than anything |
| 00:17.14 | cladhaire | I hate having to choose one or the other |
| 00:17.15 | Legorol | i have a 2v2 team with my fiance, we lose 10 games sometimes (if that), we have a laugh, a pat on the back and that's it |
| 00:17.29 | sioraiocht | hi |
| 00:17.30 | Legorol | and i raid my ass off |
| 00:17.39 | cladhaire | I can't and won't raid my ass off |
| 00:17.47 | Legorol | yup :) |
| 00:17.47 | cladhaire | but I miss it |
| 00:17.51 | cladhaire | I also miss being competitive in arena |
| 00:17.51 | Legorol | to each their own |
| 00:17.56 | cladhaire | well |
| 00:17.58 | cladhaire | its the people |
| 00:17.59 | cladhaire | honestly |
| 00:18.06 | Legorol | definitely |
| 00:18.06 | cladhaire | the people kept me in this game more than anything |
| 00:18.13 | cladhaire | but I'm stranded in the middle of a damn danish server |
| 00:18.15 | Legorol | i can totally relate to that |
| 00:18.18 | cladhaire | oh |
| 00:18.21 | Redguard | it's stressful being competitive in arena |
| 00:18.22 | Legorol | (not the danish part) |
| 00:18.35 | Redguard | when you get 2k+, every game is stressful |
| 00:18.43 | Legorol | at one point my guild split, the top players moved on to a more "hardcore" guild |
| 00:18.49 | Corrodias | it's stressful being danish in arena |
| 00:18.51 | Legorol | i have deliberated which is more important to me |
| 00:19.00 | Legorol | and i stuck with my guild due to the people |
| 00:19.17 | Legorol | even though i knew i'd be staying in order to pull them through, and we will have a fallback in raiding, and starting from a lower level |
| 00:20.13 | Legorol | anyway, cladhaire, i see your point completely, if you could stay competitive by logging in for an hour a week, or at least if there was a ladder system where you would compete with people *of the same time investment*, all would be good |
| 00:20.22 | Legorol | but i agree that's not how it works |
| 00:20.26 | cladhaire | it would certainly be much better |
| 00:20.26 | cladhaire | or |
| 00:20.29 | cladhaire | if I have a guild |
| 00:20.33 | cladhaire | of people I gave a shit about |
| 00:20.36 | cladhaire | or could even relate to |
| 00:20.37 | cladhaire | that would help |
| 00:20.47 | cladhaire | I was so spoiled with Satrina and everyone else in my old guild. |
| 00:21.07 | Legorol | so transfer to Silvermoon and join my guild and raid :o) |
| 00:21.27 | cladhaire | the whole regular time commitment thing doesn't jive too well with me |
| 00:21.35 | cladhaire | that's why I've ruled out raiding at the moment |
| 00:21.38 | cladhaire | cause I did it for three years |
| 00:21.46 | Legorol | indeed |
| 00:22.02 | Legorol | unfortunatley, in part, that's where you get the people from |
| 00:22.12 | Legorol | it's like your local thursday-night bridge club |
| 00:22.32 | Legorol | if your gaming times are irregular, you are essentially going to end up playing single player |
| 00:22.41 | cladhaire | well yes and no |
| 00:22.48 | cladhaire | just having conversation with people is a good start |
| 00:23.03 | Legorol | true dat |
| 00:23.50 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 00:24.05 | cladhaire | anyone have an easy way to take screenshots of my player without any of the background? |
| 00:24.17 | cladhaire | or any player models? |
| 00:24.22 | cladhaire | or is shopping it my best bet |
| 00:24.46 | cbreak | without background? |
| 00:24.46 | Stanzilla | model viewer? |
| 00:24.47 | Corrodias | wowmodelviewer, right? |
| 00:25.07 | cladhaire | is there one for mac? |
| 00:25.10 | selckin1 | there is a model viewer that can do armory imports |
| 00:25.15 | selckin1 | but i don't remember what's it called |
| 00:25.53 | cladhaire | any chance someone could use this to take a screenshot of two characters for me? |
| 00:25.57 | cladhaire | http://www.wowmodelviewer.org/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=35&func=fileinfo&id=20 |
| 00:25.59 | cladhaire | or someone have it? |
| 00:26.45 | selckin1 | not on windows atm, else i would |
| 00:27.02 | Corrodias | i'm not able to do it, sorry |
| 00:27.27 | cladhaire | aaw *sad face* |
| 00:27.28 | cladhaire | ok |
| 00:31.15 | cladhaire | well thanks for the talk guys |
| 00:31.20 | cladhaire | maybe I'll figure something out |
| 00:33.10 | cbreak | VMWare Fusion was an investment that I didn't regret |
| 00:33.15 | cladhaire | I have it |
| 00:33.18 | cladhaire | jus tdont have a VM right now. |
| 00:33.29 | Corrodias | fusion? what is that? |
| 00:33.31 | |pez| | Could any of you wonderfull people check how long it takes for you to load http://webmistress.no ? |
| 00:33.39 | Kaso | Fusion is Mac OS Version |
| 00:33.48 | Corrodias | |pez|: under 2 seconds |
| 00:34.03 | Legorol | |pez|: same here |
| 00:34.04 | cbreak | between 2 and 4 seconds |
| 00:34.17 | cbreak | name resolution took half of it though |
| 00:34.41 | |pez| | that's not all too bad. |
| 00:34.51 | Kaso | VirtualBox offers me everything VMware does as far as my usage is concerned and its for free |
| 00:35.22 | cbreak | I can play games in VMWare. |
| 00:35.28 | cbreak | at least they claim I can. I haven't tried. |
| 00:36.09 | |pez| | thanks guys. |
| 00:37.21 | Corrodias | vmware server is free, Kaso, although it doesn't support multiple snapshots per vm |
| 00:37.24 | Corrodias | like workstation does |
| 00:37.43 | Kaso | cbreak was talking of fusion though, which is not free |
| 00:37.52 | Corrodias | weird... |
| 00:38.16 | Kaso | Also server is a pain in the ass to use that web interface does not make life easy from a home-use perspective |
| 00:38.30 | Legorol | wow, i just specced my puny L35 mage to frost for the first time.. much fun :o) |
| 00:38.51 | cbreak | VMWare Fusion has multi snapshot, DX9 support, some wicked integration mode where the windows windows behave like mac windows |
| 00:38.53 | Legorol | hai mobzies, eat my blizzard |
| 00:38.55 | cbreak | and some other features |
| 00:39.28 | Legorol | any experienced mage here? what are good talents to take in frost for fast levelling around L35-ish? |
| 00:39.35 | cbreak | I have about 5 vms for different things :) I haven't tried VirtualBox though |
| 00:39.40 | ccox | yeah, fusion has been really useful for me |
| 00:39.44 | Kaso | VirtualBox has a integration mode, though its not as complete as fusions i think, also it does not support direct x |
| 00:39.54 | cbreak | I have leveled once as mage Legorol. I found frost rather nice |
| 00:40.02 | cbreak | but that was over three years ago and a lot has changed |
| 00:40.17 | cbreak | frostbite was great for soloing stuff though, and the mana usage was moderate |
| 00:40.23 | Keias | Legorol its pretty straight forward |
| 00:40.38 | Keias | You'll want to skip Frostbite if you plan on AOEing a lot though |
| 00:40.52 | Keias | Because it'll mess up your blizzard chaining if someone gets rooted out of the group |
| 00:41.08 | cbreak | frostbite + blizzard = death from above |
| 00:41.11 | cbreak | soon :) |
| 00:41.26 | cbreak | (because it will be able to crit with shatter) |
| 00:41.43 | Keias | Yeah, but you'll have like 4 of your 10 mobs outside of your blizzard AOE |
| 00:41.47 | Legorol | so do i want to go for the crit talents? |
| 00:41.48 | Keias | cause they'll fall behind the rest of that pack. |
| 00:41.55 | Keias | Yeah you still do. |
| 00:41.57 | cbreak | not much |
| 00:41.59 | Legorol | things like ice shards and shatter |
| 00:42.05 | cbreak | they are only walking at 15% speed |
| 00:42.06 | Legorol | or ddo i go for the kiting talents |
| 00:42.16 | Legorol | can't take them all at 35 |
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| 00:42.27 | cbreak | do you want to level by quests? |
| 00:42.35 | Legorol | yes |
| 00:42.46 | cbreak | then I'd take frostbite, shatter and so on |
| 00:43.14 | Legorol | imp. blizz not useful then? (other than being much fun) |
| 00:43.25 | Keias | If you wanna AOE you need it |
| 00:43.41 | Legorol | yup i'm not that dumb :o) |
| 00:43.43 | Keias | if you don't plan on AOEing much, it's pretty much worthless |
| 00:43.44 | Legorol | what about permafrost? |
| 00:43.49 | Keias | Permafrost is ok |
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| 00:43.56 | Keias | It's not needed really, but I like it for PVP |
| 00:43.58 | Legorol | worth the 3 points for questing ? |
| 00:44.05 | Legorol | ah ok it's a pvp talent |
| 00:44.12 | Legorol | maybe i'll skip it |
| 00:44.23 | cbreak | I would probably go for something like this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZZVVGcobx |
| 00:44.35 | cbreak | but I didn't think long about it |
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| 00:44.42 | Legorol | what about imp coc (the perverted warlock) |
| 00:44.44 | |pez| | ... I disabled two plugins on my site, and the loading time goes from like.. 10s ++ to 1-3s :P |
| 00:44.53 | Keias | imp coc isn't very good for much imo |
| 00:44.56 | Keias | COC is too expensive. |
| 00:45.05 | Corrodias | COC is cheap if you ask the right guy |
| 00:45.11 | Legorol | lol |
| 00:45.12 | Keias | I see what you did there. |
| 00:45.20 | Legorol | cbreak: right |
| 00:45.20 | Kraps | whats the name of the addon that is a small box that shows your coordinates? |
| 00:45.25 | Corrodias | yeah. ._. |
| 00:45.29 | Legorol | since i never played frost, i just randomly specced something to try it out, |
| 00:45.36 | Legorol | now that i tried the talents make a lot more sense |
| 00:45.41 | cbreak | pez, I loaded your page with noscript, so no java script or plugins were loaded at all |
| 00:45.41 | Legorol | so i'll probably respec :o) |
| 00:45.52 | Legorol | respeccing is cheap, so i don't mind experimenting and screwing up |
| 00:45.52 | Keias | Ice Floes, Imp CoC, and Frozen core, just skip |
| 00:46.01 | |pez| | cbreak: do'h XD |
| 00:46.04 | cbreak | I've about 300 days played on my mage, all frost :) |
| 00:46.11 | |pez| | It's the javascript loading that makes it slow though |
| 00:46.17 | cbreak | well... one or two with insta-gib arcane |
| 00:46.18 | |pez| | and a couple of additional CSS files. |
| 00:46.18 | Legorol | frozen core obviously |
| 00:46.22 | Keias | I wanted to stay frost, but I did arcane and then fire for raiding :( |
| 00:46.24 | Legorol | why skip frost channeling? |
| 00:46.28 | cbreak | frozen core is bad |
| 00:46.31 | Keias | Frost Channeling is good |
| 00:46.31 | Legorol | isn't the reduced cost useful? |
| 00:46.34 | cbreak | frost channeling is a raid/instasncing talent |
| 00:46.40 | Legorol | fairly nuff |
| 00:46.43 | Legorol | i see the poitn |
| 00:46.43 | cbreak | soloing not that important |
| 00:46.45 | Keias | You'll drink ALL the time |
| 00:46.48 | Keias | While soloing anyhow |
| 00:46.49 | Keias | Even with it |
| 00:46.55 | Legorol | true |
| 00:47.00 | Legorol | ok, alternate paths: |
| 00:47.04 | Legorol | what if i want to level fire |
| 00:47.09 | cbreak | *shiver* |
| 00:47.17 | Legorol | (which i'll probably do in 5 levels time, i get bored and change completely every 5 levels or so) |
| 00:47.31 | Keias | Fire is very straight forward. You can just use the typical raid fire build |
| 00:47.41 | Keias | Just spam fireball and fireblast if you're bored |
| 00:47.52 | Keias | Much easier to solo elites as frost though |
| 00:48.03 | cbreak | Legorol: if you want to continue frost, try to get ice barrier and the water elemental |
| 00:48.13 | Keias | Yes, both are amazing. |
| 00:48.30 | cbreak | Stay away from Winter's Chill or fingers of frost, they aren't that usefull soloing |
| 00:48.36 | cbreak | (although they rock in raids) |
| 00:48.39 | Legorol | winter's chill sounds so cool :( |
| 00:48.41 | Kraps | hallo |
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| 00:48.46 | Kraps | whats the name of the addon that is a small box that shows your coordinates? |
| 00:48.46 | Keias | I liked Winters Chill |
| 00:48.50 | Keias | But it doesn't have time to stack much |
| 00:48.56 | Keias | Since you'll kill shit before it gets high |
| 00:48.57 | cbreak | and I would not touch frozen core with a 10 meter pole |
| 00:48.57 | Legorol | yeah i can see that |
| 00:49.05 | Legorol | why is that all the cool talents are no good for leveling :/ |
| 00:49.15 | Legorol | aye, even i figured out that frozen core is not good :) |
| 00:49.19 | Keias | Cause mobs die fast while leveling :P |
| 00:49.21 | Legorol | i do have a few years of experience afterall |
| 00:49.53 | Legorol | mm, thre was one more thing i was going to ask.. |
| 00:49.58 | Legorol | oh yeah, frost armor or mage armor? |
| 00:50.06 | cbreak | I always use mage armor |
| 00:50.14 | cbreak | unless I PvP |
| 00:50.15 | Keias | yeah, frost is for PVP |
| 00:50.29 | cbreak | molten armor isn't bad for dps I heard, but I don't like it |
| 00:50.41 | ZorbaTHut | why does Frozen Core even exist |
| 00:50.41 | Keias | I used molten over it when I got it |
| 00:50.45 | cbreak | it's better in a few weeks |
| 00:50.46 | Keias | for PVE |
| 00:50.48 | cbreak | (but still bad :) |
| 00:50.49 | Keias | Unless I had mana issues |
| 00:51.17 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, that's kind of like saying "don't worry, I'm a good cook, I can make this pile of poop a lot tastier" |
| 00:51.24 | Keias | lol |
| 00:52.24 | Legorol | frost is so much fun, but keeps killing me :o) |
| 00:52.34 | Legorol | i need some practice at this blizzard kiting |
| 00:52.46 | Keias | Find one of those old youtube AOEing videos |
| 00:52.52 | Keias | Like from the Naxx Invasion a few years back |
| 00:52.55 | Lopeppeppy | It's a real old mage trick |
| 00:52.58 | Keias | Gives you a good idea of what to do with huge groups |
| 00:53.02 | Legorol | yeah yeah, i just need practice |
| 00:53.08 | Corrodias | Legorol, i recommend watching some videos on it if you need ideas |
| 00:53.11 | Legorol | i know, run in a circle to bunch them |
| 00:53.34 | kd3 | meh, faxmonkey singlehandedly got aoe nerfed by posting stupider mage tricks during the naxx invasion |
| 00:53.34 | Legorol | Corrodias: i much prefer dying and learning tbh |
| 00:53.39 | cbreak | I never liked aoe killing |
| 00:53.48 | Legorol | once i got the basics, i'll get mroe "neato" ideas |
| 00:53.50 | cbreak | I liked soloing huge elites :) |
| 00:54.15 | Legorol | kd3: is that when he bunched up all the invading mobs around one spawn point into a single spot, then nuke them? |
| 00:54.25 | cbreak | naxx invasion was cake. |
| 00:54.38 | kd3 | lego; yah, something like 83 mobs |
| 00:54.41 | cbreak | even I managed those and I am bad at aoeing :) |
| 00:54.54 | Keias | lol |
| 00:55.16 | Keias | Yeah thats the one I was talking about |
| 00:55.24 | Keias | I play on BR too, so I ran into him a lot. |
| 00:57.50 | cbreak | I really hope blizzard isn't done with frost talents yet |
| 00:58.05 | cbreak | I can't justify taking deep freeze anymore :/ |
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| 00:58.36 | Keias | I haven't played my mage in like 2 months anyhow :( |
| 00:58.45 | Keias | I didn't even bother leveling him on beta. |
| 00:59.11 | jaxdahl | 35856hp raid buffed |
| 00:59.16 | jaxdahl | and i don't even have a flask or stam food |
| 00:59.23 | JoshBorke | that's a lot of stam |
| 01:00.02 | cbreak | class? |
| 01:00.38 | jaxdahl | DK |
| 01:00.54 | jaxdahl | fort+kings+mark+commanding shout |
| 01:01.32 | jaxdahl | 25.49% dodge 22.41% parry O_O |
| 01:01.55 | Shirik | wtf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z47EUaIFrdQ&feature=related |
| 01:01.59 | cbreak | My beta mage (level 75) has about 100 all resistances (self buffed and naked) :) |
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| 01:03.57 | selckin1 | takes me longer to generate the html then to parse and up numbers for 70 mb combatlog |
| 01:04.00 | selckin1 | something is wrong! |
| 01:06.26 | Mike-N-Go | A question. If one has the built-in language filter on, and a mod is doing pattern matching to chat, what would the mod see? Random bleep chars, or what the text was? |
| 01:07.04 | Corrodias | i know not |
| 01:07.28 | JoshBorke | Mike-N-Go: i believe what the text was |
| 01:11.41 | p3lim | hm is it easily possible getting a wolf as a troll? |
| 01:11.44 | p3lim | pref at lvl 30 |
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| 01:16.23 | Mikk | Mike-N-Go: Afaik profanity filtering happens serverside |
| 01:16.46 | JoshBorke | Mike-N-Go: you should test! |
| 01:18.11 | Mikk | selckin1: how are you generating the output? concatenating to a string? in lua? then that's your problem. |
| 01:18.46 | Shirik | Mikk: How could it if you turn it off client side? |
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| 01:19.03 | Shirik | unless it sends two strings |
| 01:19.07 | Shirik | which seems wasteful to me |
| 01:19.22 | Mikk | Silly question there Shirik :P |
| 01:19.27 | Mikk | How do you /afk? =) |
| 01:19.31 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:20.15 | Shirik | the event that comes in is filtered |
| 01:20.30 | JoshBorke | that's too b ad |
| 01:20.46 | Mikk | hence why addon channels rock |
| 01:20.53 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: You tested my question? |
| 01:20.59 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:21.06 | Mike-N-Go | Thankies. |
| 01:21.40 | Mike-N-Go | I got an urge recently to do things with mods and chat 9.9 |
| 01:23.48 | Mike-N-Go | Currently pre-wrigting a mod that one puts strings into, and then it triggers to send said string to a channel. |
| 01:25.03 | Mikk | Liek the chat editbox? =) |
| 01:26.22 | cbreak | what would that be good for Mike-N-Go ? |
| 01:26.26 | Mike-N-Go | Yah, but you toss in a RND to randomly select from the selection of strings. |
| 01:26.37 | Mike-N-Go | Purpose: To send adds to the trade channel. |
| 01:27.11 | cbreak | isn't the trade channel for raid/party/guild recruitment and asking for directions? |
| 01:27.14 | Mike-N-Go | I have many rare LW patterns on one of my toons, and I want to say things like, "COME TO THE DARK SIDE! Buy a Ketene Made⢠[Leatherworking: Cloak of Darkness] today." without having to type it out. |
| 01:27.40 | Mikk | cbreak: afaik trade is a blog-style channel where people stream their concsiousness |
| 01:27.54 | Mike-N-Go | If anyone needs leather worked, let me know; if you are on Sisters Of Elune, that is. |
| 01:28.09 | cbreak | you only serve female night elfs? |
| 01:28.47 | Mikk | Mike-N-Go: Macros are fairly common for that |
| 01:28.55 | cbreak | I think that in WotLK you can link your whole trade skill recipes at once |
| 01:29.26 | Mikk | That's one very huge clump of data that needs to be pushed to everyone in the channel |
| 01:29.33 | cbreak | not really |
| 01:30.03 | Mike-N-Go | My idea is to have several variations of the adds, so I can rotate the adds; the macro would give you one add at a time. |
| 01:30.06 | cbreak | it could be something like tradeskill("tailoring", "player151312") |
| 01:30.20 | cbreak | and then the data gets queried from the server when someone clicks on the link |
| 01:30.36 | Mike-N-Go | And I would do this for many of my items. |
| 01:32.08 | cbreak | well, linking all at once seems more oeconomical. |
| 01:32.26 | Mikk | local ads={"Buy my shit!", "WTC...", "..."}; local n=math.random(1,#ads); SendChatMessage(ads[n], ...) |
| 01:32.43 | kd3 | we can link our spellbook. the game just sends a bitfield that I don't think we've managed to decode yet |
| 01:32.45 | p3lim | got a lvl 26 troll hunter, revered with Orgrimmar, any tips how to get exalted for wolf mount? |
| 01:33.08 | cbreak | so it actually sends the spells, not just an identifier for the player? |
| 01:33.23 | Mike-N-Go | For example, my mod would pick a category, like Cloak of Darkness, and I would have several different adds it could use RNG to pick that are about the cloak. |
| 01:33.34 | Mikk | p3lim: eh, wha? trolls can always buy orgrimmar mounts. what are you on about? |
| 01:33.42 | p3lim | they can? |
| 01:33.43 | p3lim | :o |
| 01:33.43 | Mikk | oh, wait, nvm |
| 01:33.56 | p3lim | guessed so |
| 01:34.03 | Mike-N-Go | Do you see what I am going for, Mikk? |
| 01:34.10 | cbreak | grinding to exalted with alliance factions is a pain |
| 01:34.14 | cbreak | I guess it's the same with horde |
| 01:34.21 | p3lim | nah alliance is easy |
| 01:34.28 | p3lim | (mostly because I know em all by head) |
| 01:34.29 | Mikk | It's fine if you levelled up near some other capital |
| 01:34.35 | Mikk | Then you can just go and do the nub quests |
| 01:34.38 | [SW]Dodge | p3lim: how is alliance is easy? |
| 01:34.42 | p3lim | first time horde, always loved the wolf mount (hate the raptor) |
| 01:35.07 | p3lim | [SW]Dodge: I know all the lowbie quests by head, so it goes rather fast grinding those quests for rep |
| 01:35.14 | cbreak | alliance is not easy :( |
| 01:35.17 | p3lim | 250-500 (if not more) rep per q |
| 01:35.18 | [SW]Dodge | p3lim: drop your troll and play an orc |
| 01:35.25 | cbreak | the only way is either cloth turnin, or do that repeatable quest in SoS |
| 01:35.35 | p3lim | nah i want to play the troll.. they have a cool bow animation |
| 01:35.36 | p3lim | :p |
| 01:35.45 | [SW]Dodge | p3lim: got sw and darnassus exalted and other 3 revered @ 12,5k+ |
| 01:35.51 | cbreak | and each turnin only gives 82.5 |
| 01:35.56 | p3lim | got all exalted on 1 if not 2 chars |
| 01:36.02 | cbreak | how? |
| 01:36.03 | Mikk | my dorf only really needed to do the starter zone in darna to get a tiger |
| 01:36.05 | Mikk | at 70 |
| 01:36.05 | p3lim | turnin? |
| 01:36.06 | [SW]Dodge | did all starting areas + lvl areas until ~lvl 40 |
| 01:36.10 | p3lim | fuck cloth, go do lowbie quests |
| 01:36.20 | cbreak | I did all lowbie quests... |
| 01:36.24 | p3lim | oh |
| 01:36.26 | p3lim | odd |
| 01:36.27 | Mike-N-Go | AV FTW!! |
| 01:36.28 | cbreak | I am not even close to exalted |
| 01:36.36 | [SW]Dodge | cbreak: cloth give 82,5 only for human, all other get 75 :( |
| 01:36.43 | p3lim | i had every faction to revered at 60-70, so it was rather easy to get the rest |
| 01:36.55 | p3lim | as Mike-N-Go says, AV gives rep too |
| 01:37.03 | Mikk | did you level up with a lot of instancing / stupid grinding? |
| 01:37.11 | Mikk | all quests leak rep to other related factions |
| 01:37.13 | cbreak | I leveled up with quests. |
| 01:37.21 | p3lim | no, been using TourGuide since tbc |
| 01:37.27 | p3lim | or whenever it came out |
| 01:37.34 | cbreak | and all lowbie quests only give rep with their home city, and only a little bit :( |
| 01:37.41 | Mikk | eh, they give plenty |
| 01:37.46 | kd3 | that changed in 2.3 |
| 01:37.48 | [SW]Dodge | Mike-N-Go: just doing av ? did yesterday 6 or 7 av and no +rep for ally factions :( |
| 01:37.48 | Mikk | oh |
| 01:37.49 | kd3 | they give lots now |
| 01:37.53 | Mike-N-Go | I leveled by putting one foot in front of the other.. or claw, as it were. |
| 01:37.58 | p3lim | my troll has revered with org, honored with the troll faction |
| 01:37.59 | p3lim | :p |
| 01:38.00 | cbreak | that doesn't help me |
| 01:38.05 | cbreak | I already did those quests |
| 01:38.13 | Mike-N-Go | [SW]Dodge: Turnins; loot dead people and turn in blood/armor/meat etc. |
| 01:38.54 | [SW]Dodge | Mike-N-Go: if i turnin i'll also get ally rep? not just stormpike? :O |
| 01:39.03 | p3lim | well, i ditched my main at tbc so i havent had any issues with city rep |
| 01:39.15 | Mike-N-Go | For turnins, yes. |
| 01:39.15 | kd3 | av turnins award Stormpike and IF (with spillover) |
| 01:39.17 | p3lim | [SW]Dodge: yes |
| 01:39.29 | p3lim | kd3: there are for all factions |
| 01:39.40 | Mike-N-Go | And if your max in one of the reps, it rolles the rep to another main faction. |
| 01:39.50 | kd3 | thus the "(with spillover)" bit |
| 01:40.12 | [SW]Dodge | nice! ToDo for tomorrow: AV until 999/1000 for all main factions :D |
| 01:40.23 | p3lim | nah theres more turnin people around there, each one gives rep to diffrent cities (i belive) |
| 01:40.32 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 01:40.38 | p3lim | but my ~30 hunter cant do AV anyways |
| 01:40.39 | Lopeppeppy | Spillover. :) |
| 01:41.02 | p3lim | and ive done all the orc starting quests |
| 01:41.07 | p3lim | + crossroads etc |
| 01:41.10 | Mike-N-Go | The key is to be aggressive about looting the dead.. and to turn it in before the match ends. |
| 01:41.13 | p3lim | (following TourGuide) |
| 01:41.27 | p3lim | Mike-N-Go: that was easier before AV changed tho' |
| 01:42.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, it was, but it's still perfectly do-able |
| 01:43.01 | Shirik | HI Lopeppeppy!! |
| 01:45.51 | Shirik | Fine, no hi :( |
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| 01:57.06 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry shirik... I'm half dead from this cold, I was checking weathers for next week. |
| 01:57.10 | Lopeppeppy | Hello, Shirik. *grin* |
| 01:57.14 | Shirik | :( *hugs* |
| 01:57.41 | cbreak | cold? you need a lapp warming mac book pro. |
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| 02:01.38 | Shirik | here Lopeppeppy, this will cheer you up |
| 02:01.47 | Lopeppeppy | I have a lap warming Compaq.... same idea ish. |
| 02:01.51 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z47EUaIFrdQ |
| 02:02.28 | Lopeppeppy | ...... |
| 02:02.51 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik dear... you're not supposed to make me cough like that, omg! |
| 02:02.57 | Shirik | aw :( sorry |
| 02:02.58 | Lopeppeppy | *dying of laughter* |
| 02:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | And thank you, you're right. Devastatingly adorable. |
| 02:06.29 | Shirik | :) |
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| 02:08.46 | Shirik | Ah, this is the correct version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXSgqIQqMOY&feature=related |
| 02:09.06 | Shirik | but don't watch it if it will make you die! |
| 02:09.23 | Lopeppeppy | Here's one back for you, Shirik. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9PqjMSNfkU |
| 02:09.38 | Tekkub | how often are the wintergrasp battles, I thought they were like every half hour |
| 02:10.03 | Keias | I remember an awesome Gummi Bears cartoon when I was a kid |
| 02:10.20 | Shirik | haha |
| 02:10.21 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:11.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yo Gabba Gabba is a real for true kid's show. |
| 02:11.36 | |pez| | .. Frodo! what have you done! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzwOsIh7FDE&feature=related |
| 02:12.23 | Corrodias | oh jesus |
| 02:12.38 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Frodo does the Puppetmaster! |
| 02:12.42 | Keias | Not that song will get stuck in my head again, thanks |pez| |
| 02:12.46 | Keias | Now* |
| 02:13.02 | Shirik | <3 |pez| |
| 02:13.11 | cbreak | ... :( |
| 02:13.20 | cbreak | those movies are highly toxic |
| 02:13.26 | kd3 | sigh at all of the group [5] quests in Icecrown |
| 02:14.58 | |pez| | I'll never be able to watch lotr without giggling again. |
| 02:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | ... this mythbuster episode is just frellin' weird |
| 02:18.16 | Kaso | Which episode |
| 02:18.38 | Lopeppeppy | Fainting goats. |
| 02:18.47 | Lopeppeppy | Carrie just took off all of her clothes trying to scare the goats. |
| 02:18.52 | Lopeppeppy | WTH. |
| 02:19.01 | Corrodias | hmm? |
| 02:19.01 | Kaso | Im not sure that was for the goats |
| 02:19.13 | Shirik | ... Lopeppeppy, what? |
| 02:19.31 | Lopeppeppy | ... I do not kid you. No pun intended. |
| 02:19.51 | Legorol | That gummy bear song is amasing. What's even more impressive is that a little research has shown that the original version of it is in fact in Hungarian! omg |
| 02:19.52 | Lopeppeppy | She and Tori couldn't get the fainting goats to faint. So she flashed them. And Tori. He fell over, they didn't. |
| 02:22.02 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 02:22.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure it was staged and she wasn't naked under the coat.... but jeez, I hadn't seen them make such a huge deal out of her being a girl before. |
| 02:22.54 | kd3 | WTF? |
| 02:23.09 | Corrodias | i doubt they showed any nipples, kd3 |
| 02:23.20 | Lopeppeppy | no, she had her back turned. |
| 02:23.34 | Corrodias | *dramatic sigh* |
| 02:23.45 | kd3 | of course, I'm just wondering which ep this is |
| 02:24.08 | ccox | Kari's only deal on mythbusters is that she's female and cute... |
| 02:25.08 | jaxdahl | tanked maexxna with 28k+ armor |
| 02:25.09 | jaxdahl | that was easy |
| 02:25.12 | Lopeppeppy | So not true. She's the researcher and the imagination. Grant does robots and math, Tori does whatever is most stupid. |
| 02:26.52 | ccox | They have a research staff for the research - she's on the build team, and doesn't build much |
| 02:27.13 | ccox | I kinda think she's just the token female (although, I'm not objecting to her!) |
| 02:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | She builds a lot less now than she did at the beginning, it's true.... *sigh* |
| 02:28.24 | Corrodias | they have one female member not in the production crew and she's labelled the "token" |
| 02:28.45 | Lopeppeppy | Who's the nice blonde who does the welding, I always forget her name.... |
| 02:29.19 | Corrodias | i should know this |
| 02:29.35 | Corrodias | ... but apparently i can't think of it |
| 02:29.54 | Kaso | scottie? |
| 02:30.00 | ccox | there are also a couple of female interns (one of which has been there like 3 years now) |
| 02:30.16 | ccox | (Christine) |
| 02:30.31 | Legorol | Is there anyone who has experience with both playing a warrior and a deathknight? |
| 02:30.37 | Legorol | preferably someone who did DK to 80 |
| 02:30.51 | Legorol | I'm wondering how the experiences of the two compare |
| 02:31.05 | Corrodias | i think that's her, yeah, Kaso |
| 02:31.10 | Legorol | Both classes are tank/melee hybrid, but as far as I can tell, warrior has 2 dps trees and 1 tank tree |
| 02:31.19 | Legorol | How are the 3 trees compare for a DK? |
| 02:31.23 | Kaso | she hasnt been on for ages has she? |
| 02:32.22 | ccox | Scottie was only on the first season |
| 02:33.06 | Lopeppeppy | Scottie, that's her. |
| 02:33.30 | Lopeppeppy | I see her every now and then, they can't all be first season reruns. Buster looks like hell in some of them, that can't be first season. |
| 02:34.06 | schnoggo | she's mad guest appearnaces about once a season |
| 02:34.08 | Kaso | i think she's been on a couple episodes here and there after she "left" iirc |
| 02:34.23 | ccox | yeah, good welders are hard to find :-) |
| 02:34.37 | Lopeppeppy | And she has an awesome sense of humor. |
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| 02:51.55 | Dashkal | I miss my druid; weapon skill is not fun |
| 02:52.22 | cbreak | leveling it is easy |
| 02:52.38 | cbreak | at least the first 250 poionts :) |
| 02:52.54 | kd3 | holy hell, what a fireball |
| 02:54.53 | Dashkal | Oh 0-350 is easy as hell |
| 02:54.58 | Dashkal | 350-400... suck |
| 02:56.19 | Dashkal | ok, fuck that. |
| 02:56.26 | Dashkal | it rolled back all my progress with maces |
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| 03:16.00 | batrick | leveling weapon skill is ez as a mage... agro the cenarion guy in orgrimmar and just afk for 10 minutes |
| 03:16.06 | batrick | come back polymorph rinse repeat |
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| 03:27.51 | Tem | so um |
| 03:27.53 | Tem | sapph |
| 03:28.06 | Tem | do we need frost resist? |
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| 03:31.30 | kd3 | yes |
| 03:32.51 | Tem | hell |
| 03:33.12 | kd3 | 100 raidwide is a good place to start. otherwise raid healing is going to be intense |
| 03:33.23 | Tem | frost aura |
| 03:33.27 | Tem | grants 130 |
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| 03:35.59 | Nosnam | I'm about to take the plunge into attempting AddOn development... I see B:Lua looks dead, and not so sure if LuaEclipse is ideal; what IDEs would you guys recommend, or should I just stick with notepad? |
| 03:38.49 | Corrodias | let's see... i never had an IDE, but i used scite |
| 03:38.55 | AnduinLothar | i think there's one for the MS coding iDE |
| 03:39.09 | AnduinLothar | whatever that's called |
| 03:39.52 | AnduinLothar | http://www.codeplex.com/WarcraftAddOnStudio |
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| 03:40.53 | AnduinLothar | or just find one with syntax coloring |
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| 03:53.54 | ScytheBlade1 | So all things considered |
| 03:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Who thinks that we'll be seeing a build every other day for these next few weeks? |
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| 03:54.37 | kd3 | come next week I expect daily builds on weekdays |
| 03:54.45 | kd3 | they did that for a few weeks on the ptr for 2.4 |
| 03:54.52 | kd3 | s/next week/week after next/ |
| 03:55.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That's kind of what I'm guessing at |
| 04:02.43 | Tem | jaxdahl, ping |
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| 04:07.44 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Birthday Jelly! |
| 04:08.43 | Thunder_Child | no age Cairenn? |
| 04:08.54 | Cairenn | I never put age in the topic :p |
| 04:09.26 | Thunder_Child | yet it would be so much more amusing....till it rolled around to me that is |
| 04:09.32 | Neuro_Medivh | doesn't Jelly go bad after several years? |
| 04:09.58 | Tem | anyone know what to do against malygos? |
| 04:10.13 | Sargeras | make his HP < 0 |
| 04:10.30 | Neuro_Medivh | Nope... you can't do that actually |
| 04:10.32 | Shirik | Older than me, Thunder_Child :P |
| 04:10.34 | Neuro_Medivh | cause they stop at 1 |
| 04:10.34 | Shirik | and I'm old |
| 04:11.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Even if you hit Malygos for, say, 16 million, he doesn't die |
| 04:11.28 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you mean jelly? |
| 04:11.33 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:12.10 | Thunder_Child | that doesnt mean anything |
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| 04:28.15 | kd3 | huzzah! |
| 04:28.21 | kd3 | "Instead, we reduced the mana cost on Fireball, Frostbolt, Frostfire Bolt, Arcane Blast, Arcane Missiles, and Arcane Explosion. " |
| 04:28.27 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10863437336&sid=2000 |
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| 04:32.26 | ScytheBlade1 | yay @ kd3 |
| 04:32.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That makes me happy |
| 04:32.59 | kd3 | it was only a matter of time. the devs aren't stupid. just took a few solid weeks of bitching in naxx to get it accomplished |
| 04:33.27 | kd3 | hopefully it'll be something substantial and not 1-2% |
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| 04:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: poke |
| 04:44.17 | Shirik | Yes, master? |
| 04:44.37 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:49.45 | batrick | what's a good terminal web browser? |
| 04:49.47 | batrick | if one exists? |
| 04:49.51 | Shirik | links |
| 04:49.52 | Shirik | elinks |
| 04:50.15 | Shirik | lynx is good too |
| 04:50.24 | Shirik | I prefer lynx, but elinks works better for me for some reason |
| 04:51.36 | batrick | wonder what the best way to copy paste text from irssi to elinks is |
| 04:51.41 | batrick | if there is a way |
| 04:52.05 | kd3 | select it in one xterm, mid-click in another? |
| 04:52.25 | Mike-N-Go | I am having some trouble with a mod I am writing. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97517 is the link to what I got so far. The problem is, wow's debugger spits line 35: '(' expected near 'RunAds', and it does not toss the error when I change line 35 to "function ()RunAds()", I find this awkward. |
| 04:52.39 | batrick | I don't have a mouse |
| 04:52.51 | Thunder_Child | get one |
| 04:52.56 | batrick | no u |
| 04:53.01 | Corrodias | ()RunAds(). i like this. |
| 04:53.06 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: The comma |
| 04:53.21 | Mike-N-Go | On line 30? |
| 04:53.27 | Shirik | I think so |
| 04:53.36 | Shirik | I know you can have them inside the table at the end, but I didn't think at the outermost level |
| 04:53.55 | Mike-N-Go | But the strange thing, it loads when with the only change as I mentioned. |
| 04:54.35 | Shirik | lua> t = {}, |
| 04:54.36 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '<eof>' |
| 04:54.41 | Shirik | lua> t = {}, function foo() end |
| 04:54.42 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: '(' expected near 'foo' |
| 04:54.47 | Shirik | lua> t = {} function foo() end |
| 04:54.48 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 04:55.02 | Shirik | lua> t = {{},} function foo() end |
| 04:55.02 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 04:55.07 | Mike-N-Go | The comma did it, thanks. |
| 04:55.08 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain that's what it is |
| 04:55.26 | Shirik | -- local ads={"Buy my shit!", "WTC...", "..."}; local n=math.random(1,#ads); AdModPrint(msg) |
| 04:55.30 | Shirik | o.O |
| 04:55.57 | Mike-N-Go | Just a snip someone said when I was talking about my addon. |
| 04:56.01 | kd3 | wth? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZKKrUXjzDY&feature=related |
| 04:56.18 | Mike-N-Go | Mikk was who said it. |
| 04:56.44 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: What do you find of that line? |
| 04:58.02 | Corrodias | lua> t = {}, function ()foo() end |
| 04:58.02 | lua_bot | Corrodias: No output |
| 04:58.11 | Shirik | kd3!! Awesome!! |
| 04:59.40 | batrick | wow that's cool... elinks has lua in it |
| 04:59.46 | Shirik | hey, kd3 got a related link to a cartoon about me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOtoujYOWw0&NR=1 |
| 05:01.42 | batrick | Shirik: where do I find a listing of what the default character functions are? I couldn't find anything substantial in the man pages |
| 05:01.48 | Thunder_Child | lol Shirik |
| 05:02.15 | |Yssaril| | anyone have a clue where the target dummies are located? |
| 05:03.08 | batrick | nvm i think i found it |
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| 05:12.59 | Shirik|zZz | (01:11:37) (ScytheBlade1) It's a fun little bot |
| 05:13.00 | Shirik|zZz | (01:11:45) (ScytheBlade1) Not that you'll ever get me to admit that in public |
| 05:13.01 | Shirik|zZz | for the record |
| 05:13.06 | Shirik|zZz | thanks purl for logging that too |
| 05:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | purl: say shirik sucks |
| 05:13.26 | purl | shirik sucks |
| 05:13.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 'nuff said |
| 05:13.35 | Shirik|zZz | :( |
| 05:13.41 | Corrodias | man... i want some spaghetti |
| 05:14.17 | Shirik|zZz | night |
| 05:14.36 | Corrodias | lua> t = {}, function ()foo() end foo() |
| 05:14.36 | lua_bot | Corrodias: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'foo' (a nil value) |
| 05:14.48 | Corrodias | lua> t = {}, function ()foo() end ()foo() |
| 05:14.48 | lua_bot | Corrodias: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
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| 05:20.48 | Mike-N-Go | How do I count how many entries there are in a table at an index in the table in Lua? |
| 05:22.27 | Corrodias | you mean in a table referenced by another one? |
| 05:22.38 | Mike-N-Go | By example: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97517 |
| 05:23.03 | Mike-N-Go | Get a count of one for a, b, and c, adding to three? |
| 05:23.37 | Mike-N-Go | Not of one.. |
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| 05:24.15 | Mike-N-Go | Get a count for a, b, and c, in that table, adding to three? |
| 05:24.29 | Corrodias | i sure know nothing :| |
| 05:25.12 | Mike-N-Go | It has been ages since I coded something.. |
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| 05:36.19 | |pez| | I... I think it's SNOWING outside. |
| 05:36.36 | |pez| | really wett snow, but still. |
| 05:37.37 | Jinivus | :O |
| 05:37.45 | Corrodias | ah... good old snow |
| 05:37.56 | Keias | oh man, I can't wait for snow |
| 05:38.14 | Gnarfoz | wtb snow, but that ain't gonna happen |
| 05:38.37 | |pez| | You guys can have my snow, and I can get all the sun and warmth from you! |
| 05:39.01 | Corrodias | we have had no sun and warmth in Wisconsin for about a week |
| 05:39.06 | Corrodias | at least in Eau Claire |
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| 05:50.52 | ScytheBlade1 | >_> |
| 05:50.54 | ScytheBlade1 | <_< |
| 05:52.21 | Tekkub | "May your nuts always be full" |
| 05:52.34 | Thunder_Child | why thank you Tekkub |
| 05:52.50 | Tekkub | tuskarr are just too cute |
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| 06:08.12 | Mikk | That sounds painful |
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| 06:09.53 | Mikk | Mike-N-Go: You're fucking up indexing in that sample. You're using ["1"]="foo", ["2"]="bar" .... |
| 06:10.06 | Mikk | That's a hash. Not an array. |
| 06:10.21 | Mikk | [1]="foo", [2]="bar" is an array, that you can get counts of |
| 06:10.35 | Mike-N-Go | !lua atable = {a={},b={},c={}} function count(t) local foo = 0 for _ in pairs(t) do foo = foo + 1 end return foo end return count(atable) |
| 06:10.35 | batbot | Mike-N-Go: > 3 |
| 06:10.43 | Mikk | Or, you can just skip the numbering altogether and just go {"foo","bar","baz"} and they automagically become indexed for you |
| 06:10.57 | Mikk | eh |
| 06:11.11 | Mike-N-Go | I think that is what I wanted. |
| 06:11.48 | Mikk | Yeah, if you want the number of entries under "Ads", you'd have to do that, since they're strings |
| 06:12.45 | Thunder_Child | i want to become automagiced |
| 06:14.31 | Mike-N-Go | I decided to get rid of the subtable ["Ads"] |
| 06:14.44 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/maexxna.jpg |
| 06:23.57 | Gnarfoz | jaxdahl: ... what? |
| 06:27.11 | jaxdahl | that's a lot of hp, armor, and avoidance |
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| 06:29.17 | Gnarfoz | that's about 5k more AC than I get on my pally on live, and I'm wearing rags. |
| 06:30.12 | Gnarfoz | defense is naturally gonna be higher because of +50 points of it, but I'm at 507 (+50 = more than what he's got), dunno my dodge + parry as separate values,though |
| 06:30.21 | Gnarfoz | however... his HP are insane oO |
| 06:30.30 | jaxdahl | that's my DK |
| 06:30.35 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/sws3/sws-maexxna-1223173235/index.html |
| 06:30.36 | Gnarfoz | that's more than double what I have fully buffed |
| 06:31.13 | Sargeras | Barkartum did that DPS with Command |
| 06:31.14 | jaxdahl | 71.1% avoidance on maexxna |
| 06:31.15 | Sargeras | niiiice |
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| 07:03.58 | Thunder_Child | "You will see your penis on MTV" |
| 07:04.23 | Thunder_Child | that is an unsual spam email |
| 07:07.03 | batrick | Any mages around here decide on which glyphs they're picking up? |
| 07:07.11 | Tekkub | really? what time? |
| 07:07.21 | Tekkub | since I doubt I'll get any other chance to see it |
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| 07:25.39 | Mikk | haha |
| 07:26.08 | Mikk | ah booh, you can't earn more than 99.999k sporebox |
| 07:26.10 | Mikk | sporebux |
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| 07:40.42 | Arrowmaster | sporebux? |
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| 07:51.37 | Mikk | the currency in Spore |
| 08:00.04 | Nom- | Woot |
| 08:00.10 | Nom- | Reigns of the Blue Proto-Drake |
| 08:01.00 | Nom- | Second boss in Heroic UP |
| 08:06.00 | Tem | Nom-, I hates you |
| 08:06.05 | Tem | I want that mount sooooo bad |
| 08:08.27 | cladhaire | so should I quit |
| 08:08.33 | cladhaire | make a DK for some unknown reason |
| 08:08.40 | cladhaire | recruit myself as a friend so I have more characters to play with |
| 08:08.48 | cladhaire | or just wait and level to 80 and then see |
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| 08:16.30 | Corrodias | somebody needs to give me a kick in the butt and motivate me to try harder to get my directx working again |
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| 08:21.46 | Ose | elseà |
| 08:21.55 | Ose | gah |
| 08:30.07 | batrick | I remember reading somewhere they were changing how spell resistance worked in 3.0, anyone have a link to the info on that? |
| 08:30.25 | batrick | particularly with respect to partial resists |
| 08:30.49 | Arrowmaster | i only know that they changed the spell resistance racials |
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| 08:31.44 | Stanzilla | the 1% of resist chance is gone if you are at hit-cap |
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| 08:32.40 | batrick | im pretty sure i read they were eliminating partial resists |
| 08:33.20 | Corrodias | oh you, Ose, always... so... |
| 08:33.48 | Corrodias | so very unknown |
| 08:34.01 | Ose | so very world server is down :( |
| 08:34.48 | Ose | ask Kirkburn who I am :P |
| 08:35.32 | Corrodias | options: A) talk to Kirkburn, B) live without this knowledge. talk about lesser of two evils... >_> |
| 08:36.02 | Ose | I take it B) is option B |
| 08:36.35 | Corrodias | indeed |
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| 08:40.42 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/28c1a38aed153b5fc7c44c2c99ab5341.png |
| 08:40.44 | cladhaire | =( |
| 08:41.05 | Cairenn | :( |
| 08:41.13 | cladhaire | not sure what it means |
| 08:43.03 | Corrodias | huh. your account has been upgraded to full Wrath? |
| 08:43.38 | Corrodias | or you're trying to login to a beta account with the regular client? i have no idea how the beta process works |
| 08:43.52 | cladhaire | i just logged into the PTR |
| 08:44.29 | Ose | lol |
| 08:44.34 | Ose | beta ftw! |
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| 08:45.01 | cladhaire | time to patch up the beta client then =( |
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| 08:55.27 | AnduinLothar | where's the turn in vendors for the tier 7 gear? |
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| 09:07.29 | digmouse | go to the corresponding armor vendor, like hunter/shaman go to the mail armor vendor |
| 09:07.32 | digmouse | in dalaran |
| 09:08.21 | AnduinLothar | found it, thx |
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| 11:02.28 | foxlit | MTV: "VOTE AGAIN TO MAKE SURE YOUR FAVOURITE WINS." |
| 11:03.12 | Fisker- | Me: Why so care? |
| 11:06.51 | haste | foxlit: time to make a script to re-vote? |
| 11:07.09 | foxlit | haste: I think it may well be. They seem to be requesting it. |
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| 11:13.37 | foxlit | Hrm, I wonder if OnEvent is wrappable |
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| 11:42.48 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.54 | Kaso | Kevin Mitnick's luggage |
| 11:43.39 | Corrodias | phht, iphones |
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| 12:01.37 | Fisker- | fail |
| 12:02.59 | Fisker- | sauce btw |
| 12:06.43 | Kaso | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/10/03/mitnick-violated-immigration |
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| 12:45.07 | foxlit | Hrm, I wonder. |
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| 12:45.37 | foxlit | UIOptionsFrame creates empty functions for every panel's okay, cancel, default methods if those don't exist already. Should really reuse a single sentinel. |
| 12:47.20 | ZorbaTHut | I doubt it's really a big source of memory usage |
| 12:47.47 | foxlit | It's also a trivial fix :) |
| 12:47.56 | ZorbaTHut | well, that's probably true also, yeah :) |
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| 12:49.16 | foxlit | An empty function is about 200 bytes. |
| 12:49.39 | foxlit | So yeah, it's minor. |
| 12:50.27 | foxlit | How do people deal with localization of the IOF Category names? |
| 12:50.56 | foxlit | Since panel.parent takes a parent.name value, and parent.name is actually used to display the panel's name, it seems like that could get a bit tricky |
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| 13:54.55 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 13:54.59 | foxlit | Sliders have no Enable/Disable? |
| 13:55.49 | foxlit | s/?/./ |
| 13:56.02 | foxlit | Which is annoying, since I can't lock them, then :/ |
| 13:57.18 | Shirik | foxlit: Are you serious? |
| 13:57.22 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 13:57.24 | Shirik | They tell you to do that? |
| 13:57.28 | Shirik | Sorry, bad timing |
| 13:57.31 | Shirik | about the MTV thing |
| 13:57.36 | foxlit | Still Yes. |
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| 14:16.12 | Shirik | wtf does this mean in python? locale_list = [] |
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| 14:17.17 | Fisker- | it means it's a list of locales |
| 14:17.17 | Fisker- | olololol |
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| 14:18.09 | Shirik | ~hug Fisker- |
| 14:18.10 | purl | ACTION hugs Fisker- tightly until Fisker- turns slightly blue |
| 14:18.10 | Fisker- | why so bye? :( |
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| 14:18.53 | Shirik | HAPPY BIRFDAY JELLY |
| 14:18.56 | Shirik | ZOMG |
| 14:18.59 | Shirik | you're old now |
| 14:19.03 | |Jelly| | ~hug Cairenn|afk |
| 14:19.03 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn|afk |
| 14:19.10 | |Jelly| | OLDER THAN YOU |
| 14:19.47 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
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| 14:23.35 | Fisker- | ~kiss |Jelly| |
| 14:23.36 | purl | ACTION forces |Jelly| to give Zeksie a big kiss on the hand |
| 14:26.38 | Shirik | ~literal CMD: kiss (.*?) |
| 14:26.38 | purl | "cmd: kiss (.*?)" is "($1): <action> forces $1 to give $randnick a big kiss on the (lips|neck|hand|forhead|ear)" |
| 14:27.04 | sacarasc | that should be changed, forehead is spelt wrong |
| 14:35.32 | |Jelly| | So the alliance killed all the horde bosses in the cities this morning between 3 and 5 am. Should I congratulate them on: a) killing all the bosses b) killing all the bosses at a time when there's NO ONE ONLINE ? |
| 14:36.58 | Fisker- | Neither |
| 14:37.01 | Fisker- | Troll them to oblivion |
| 14:37.23 | |Jelly| | That's already being done. :P |
| 14:39.35 | ZorbaTHut | congratulate them for winning the playing-world-of-warcraft-instead-of-sleeping-and-then-bragging-about-it competition |
| 14:41.56 | molgar | anyone know what kinda API i should use to "select" a curent button(line) in a scrolframe so i can make a hide it after with another (buttton-OnClick) |
| 14:44.00 | molgar | it is possible to say like eks, if button is highlighted it have state 2, if not it have state 1? and the other button can say i only remove state 2 buttons ? |
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| 15:12.11 | Shirik | ~tackle Cide |
| 15:12.12 | purl | ACTION tackles Cide to the ground. |
| 15:12.17 | Cide | hi |
| 15:15.41 | nevcairiel | man the UI diff for 9038 was short (and i know i'm late, i was out for the weekend :P) |
| 15:18.39 | cbreak | some mage on the forum claims there is a cooldown on crits. he refuses to provide any log, any measurements or any other statistics |
| 15:18.53 | nevcairiel | since when? |
| 15:18.56 | cbreak | and now he went over to insulting all who don't blindly believe him |
| 15:19.37 | selckin1 | that's where you click ignore |
| 15:19.39 | cbreak | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10697501514&sid=2003 |
| 15:20.37 | nevcairiel | math is wrong, you know =P |
| 15:21.47 | zenzelezz | people have a hard time understanding "chance" |
| 15:22.09 | selckin1 | math is serious busness |
| 15:22.46 | Fisker- | ic |
| 15:22.48 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 15:22.50 | Fisker- | epic* |
| 15:22.57 | ZorbaTHut | zenzelezz, whenever you're playing D&D it's important to pre-prime your dice with 1's so they're statistically more likely to be a 20 on the next roll |
| 15:23.08 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:23.08 | Fisker- | bonus points for "Why so *?" |
| 15:24.27 | Fisker- | They could "fix it" though |
| 15:24.30 | Fisker- | if i understand him right |
| 15:24.58 | Fisker- | They could do something similar to the fire talent |
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| 15:25.15 | Fisker- | For example if you have 50% chance to crit on fireball, and your first fireball doesn't crit, then your crit is improved to 100% |
| 15:25.27 | Fisker- | Then there wouldn't be any unlucky streaks :P |
| 15:25.36 | nevcairiel | Thats stupid though |
| 15:25.43 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, but that would increase the actual crit rate significantly :P |
| 15:25.49 | Fisker- | How? |
| 15:25.49 | Cide | no it wouldn't |
| 15:25.50 | nevcairiel | that would like give you a fixed crit, noncrit, crit, noncrit rotation |
| 15:25.52 | Cide | not if you do it right |
| 15:25.56 | Cide | ^ |
| 15:25.58 | ZorbaTHut | cide, true, if you do it right |
| 15:25.58 | Cide | what nevcairiel said |
| 15:26.02 | Fisker- | But nevcairiel is right about that |
| 15:26.04 | ZorbaTHut | that example would though ;) |
| 15:26.23 | ZorbaTHut | City of Heroes actually does have a system like this, where it discourages "runs" to some extent |
| 15:26.25 | selckin1 | doesn't really work sanely with any number except 50% |
| 15:26.37 | ZorbaTHut | they added it because they were tired of dealing with people complaining that their RNG was broken |
| 15:26.43 | Wobin | Actually, that'd be great. I could actually just kill a certain number of fireflies and be utterly assured of a minipet drop then |
| 15:26.43 | ZorbaTHut | (which is pretty ironic overall, but) |
| 15:26.54 | Fisker- | :P |
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| 15:27.19 | Redguard | alright, so looking at ActionButtonTemplate the button Icon is put as a BACKGROUND layer |
| 15:27.33 | Redguard | which makes it frustrating as I'm still trying to figure out a way to overlay a cooldown model on it |
| 15:27.47 | Redguard | where the cooldown model doesn't shade the icon, but it shades the rest of the button |
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| 15:27.57 | schnoggo | i've never had to kill more than 2200 fireflies for the drop :p |
| 15:28.02 | Redguard | ie. the frame/border gets shaded and the icon (background layer) is ignored |
| 15:28.55 | Redguard | how would something like this get accomplished which isn't horribly inefficient |
| 15:29.08 | selckin1 | i click buyout for 400g, and use the time to kill 200 firefires to grind 1000g |
| 15:29.54 | selckin1 | anyone who grinds those pets needs to learn about math |
| 15:30.23 | Fisker- | why so mathious+ |
| 15:30.24 | Fisker- | ? |
| 15:30.35 | Tornhoof | different texture as a new icon redguard, with a different name?, so it's not considered for cooldown shading? |
| 15:30.40 | zenzelezz | why so "why so"? |
| 15:30.52 | Redguard | Tornhoof I don't understand |
| 15:30.55 | Fisker- | It's so trollilicious |
| 15:31.12 | Tornhoof | custom icon redguard |
| 15:31.23 | Redguard | Tornhoof here is the situation, my addon highlights action buttons that have diminishing returns ok? |
| 15:31.38 | Redguard | and let's say there is 10 seconds left on ActonButton1 DR |
| 15:31.47 | Redguard | I want to shade 10 seconds worth of the button's border.. let's say red |
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| 15:31.59 | Quarak | Hi folks |
| 15:32.13 | Redguard | the only way I know how to dynamically shade a percentage of the border is with a cooldown model (i wish i knew HOW the cooldown model was able to shade ..) |
| 15:32.24 | Fisker- | lol |
| 15:32.32 | Fisker- | fireflies on AH for 1100g and moar |
| 15:32.37 | Fisker- | One even has two up |
| 15:32.38 | Redguard | so I figure I can shade an area with a cooldown model that will erase the border (of red) and still leave the rest of the button in tact |
| 15:32.42 | Fisker- | (in b4 he probably bought in on AH) |
| 15:32.56 | selckin1 | he probably bought em cheaper, and reselling |
| 15:32.57 | Redguard | my problem is if I get into custom buttons I am more or less replacing the whole action bar for a custom setup |
| 15:32.58 | Tornhoof | dunno redguard, probably some semi transparent texture which is rotated or smoething |
| 15:33.05 | Redguard | where it would cause conflicts with other action bar mods |
| 15:33.05 | Fisker- | i won selckin1 |
| 15:33.14 | Fisker- | Doesn't seem like it's selling though |
| 15:33.21 | Redguard | i tried transparent textures on the cooldown model |
| 15:33.23 | Redguard | it didn't like that |
| 15:33.24 | selckin1 | Fisker-: takes 3 hours to grind 1000g, |
| 15:33.30 | selckin1 | Fisker-: will still take longer to grind the mobs |
| 15:33.33 | Tornhoof | not on the cd model |
| 15:33.51 | Redguard | if a cooldown model is a child of the button, can I still cut out holes in the cooldown model's draw layer |
| 15:33.58 | Redguard | kind of like a bit mask? |
| 15:34.08 | Fisker- | not a pet guy myself selckin1 |
| 15:34.19 | Fisker- | Though it's tempting with the changes to the pet system |
| 15:34.33 | Redguard | is there any way to figure out exactly how the cooldown template is functioning |
| 15:34.33 | Tornhoof | dunno, there are add, blend operations for textures, but I don'tknow if that works for you |
| 15:34.34 | selckin1 | i have 3 firefly's :\ |
| 15:34.38 | Redguard | what's it voodoo internals running it? |
| 15:34.40 | selckin1 | i love that show |
| 15:34.42 | selckin1 | lo |
| 15:34.44 | selckin1 | lol |
| 15:34.52 | Fisker- | But it's kinda lame that Blizzard didn't figure that their own kickstart of the economy would result in this |
| 15:34.55 | Redguard | add only allows me to put static on top of the model |
| 15:34.58 | Redguard | it doesn't let me cut out |
| 15:35.08 | Fisker- | Not so many gold sales, but that will return with all of the overpriced shit in the expansion |
| 15:35.24 | Redguard | like, if i rebuilt the whole action button i could put it on top maybe |
| 15:35.29 | Redguard | but that seems horribly inefficient |
| 15:35.43 | Redguard | it's like building a house to make ice cubes from the fridge |
| 15:35.48 | Redguard | doesn't make sense |
| 15:35.49 | Tornhoof | you can hide the cooldownmodel |
| 15:35.55 | Tornhoof | and add your texture layer |
| 15:36.22 | Redguard | ya but when the cooldown model is active (im testing with my own custom cooldown model added) |
| 15:36.26 | Redguard | I dont see a way to do what i want |
| 15:36.34 | Redguard | you visualize what im trying to do, right? |
| 15:36.40 | Tornhoof | yes |
| 15:36.43 | Redguard | k |
| 15:37.11 | Tornhoof | dunno then |
| 15:37.29 | Redguard | if there was some way to get the border behind the button |
| 15:37.34 | Redguard | but the default UI doesnt work that way |
| 15:37.46 | Redguard | i dont like the way it's built :/ |
| 15:37.50 | Tornhoof | you should be able to set the framelayer of the normaltexture |
| 15:38.26 | Redguard | ya but normal texture , i just don't see how that'd help |
| 15:38.38 | Redguard | as i need the button after it has the icon, etc |
| 15:39.03 | Tornhoof | like omnicc does, hook the setcooldown function and do it there or something |
| 15:39.41 | Redguard | omnicc just overlays text in the hook |
| 15:39.51 | Redguard | doesnt provide me a way to cut out the icon how i need it |
| 15:40.31 | Redguard | i don't even have a need to hook setcooldown as i call it for a custom cooldown model |
| 15:40.38 | Redguard | not the default one the button uses for cooldowns per say |
| 15:40.41 | Redguard | ok how about this |
| 15:40.52 | Redguard | how can I draw like the cooldown template does |
| 15:41.43 | Redguard | it essentially is drawing a square moving in undetermined degrees clockwise with alpha levels |
| 15:42.02 | Redguard | if i could figure out how to efficiently draw and update it based on frames (no prob) |
| 15:42.05 | Redguard | that'd work just as well |
| 15:42.13 | Redguard | and i could calculate where to draw on, and where to not draw on |
| 15:42.28 | Redguard | can I manipulate chunks of images or pixels, or what are my options |
| 15:42.47 | Tornhoof | no pixels |
| 15:42.52 | Redguard | hrm |
| 15:46.03 | Redguard | i'm sort of disguisted cooldown models can do manipulations no one else seems to know how to replicate |
| 15:46.13 | Redguard | is it using functionality not available to me? |
| 15:46.33 | Redguard | there's a lot of documentation and features to be desired trying to work on addons here |
| 15:46.59 | cladhaire | huh? |
| 15:47.05 | cladhaire | its a model |
| 15:47.13 | cladhaire | create a model, and you can use it as an overlay |
| 15:47.27 | cladhaire | Why is that a problem? |
| 15:47.56 | Redguard | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.00 | Redguard | so it sort of is a problem :/ |
| 15:48.09 | cladhaire | yes, but its not a UI problem |
| 15:48.13 | cladhaire | no one is stopping you from doing it |
| 15:48.15 | cladhaire | you just don't know how |
| 15:48.16 | Redguard | can i make a model which shades like cooldown model does |
| 15:48.20 | Redguard | but have a cut out in the center? |
| 15:48.32 | Redguard | well, i don't know if the modification of the model is possible |
| 15:48.47 | Redguard | if it is I'd be more than glad to make a model from scratch (hard to find documentation on such) |
| 15:49.06 | cladhaire | then you should read up on creating 3-d models |
| 15:49.10 | Quarak | Does anyone know the frame name of the PVP objectives? I'm having some trouble tracking it down |
| 15:49.40 | cladhaire | Quarak: use /dtframestack |
| 15:50.00 | Redguard | cladhaire .mdx, yes? |
| 15:50.23 | cladhaire | you have to learn how to make models, before you worry abotu what format it needs to be in, but yes m2, mdx |
| 15:50.30 | Redguard | ok |
| 15:50.36 | Redguard | i'll go research , thanks |
| 15:51.53 | foxlit | "Redguard: i dont understand how to make a model that shades an area like the cooldown model is" composite something dark but not fully opaque over something you want to "shade"? |
| 15:53.14 | Quarak | Thanks cladhaire I'll go grab devtools |
| 15:54.36 | Redguard | foxlit well |
| 15:54.50 | Redguard | foxlit: I sort of want to exempt an inner area from being shaded |
| 15:55.06 | Redguard | so sort of the reverse of that, which is what I can't figure |
| 15:55.17 | Redguard | i'm looking into what mdx/m2 can do for me here |
| 15:55.45 | foxlit | kiss. |
| 15:56.20 | cladhaire | yeah i didn't understand why you couldn't do what you wanted without a model, btu *shrug* |
| 15:59.05 | Redguard | cladhaire well, i don't either |
| 15:59.22 | Redguard | but when I look at the actual layout of the action bars, I can't figure it out |
| 15:59.37 | Redguard | ActionButton1Icon I want to not get affected |
| 15:59.56 | Redguard | ActionButton1Border I want to get shaded such as a cooldown model were running over it with an alpha of 1 |
| 16:00.02 | Redguard | how else can i accomplish this |
| 16:00.23 | Redguard | there is more to ActionButtonTemplate.xml of course, but the Icon and Border are the two main focuses for me |
| 16:00.53 | Redguard | Icon being at the lowest level i can't seem to get lower than it (background), and the border as an overlay |
| 16:01.25 | Quarak | Ah I see, Its the cunningly named WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame, what was thowing me was I didn't realise I had to mouseoveer the part that pops up teh tooltip to get the tool I was using to display frame names work |
| 16:02.09 | Redguard | cladhaire my issue is anything i overlay on that frame affects the Icon indirectly since it is BACKGROUND vs border (OVERLAY) |
| 16:02.22 | Redguard | so I'd need sometheing which didnt shade the full inner area like cooldown model does |
| 16:02.37 | Redguard | yet again, I still need the effect of erasing the border in an animation |
| 16:02.50 | Redguard | <this is where I get a mental freeze> :/ |
| 16:03.03 | cladhaire | and this has to work with the default UI?. |
| 16:03.09 | Redguard | yea |
| 16:03.19 | foxlit | What are you calling the border? |
| 16:03.46 | Redguard | for now I am actually using the $parentBorder texture layer on the default UI, but I can make a custom border frame if I need to |
| 16:03.49 | Redguard | and it'd still be fine |
| 16:04.16 | Redguard | which ever is easier to accomplish the task |
| 16:04.36 | Redguard | i'll just keep a reusable pool of frames for animated borders if I have to |
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| 16:05.45 | cladhaire | why are you even considering pooling and reuse at this point, when you don't even have a working concept |
| 16:05.46 | cladhaire | >< |
| 16:06.05 | Shirik | aren't you familiar with the software design process, cladhaire? |
| 16:06.08 | Shirik | Design, requirements, implementation |
| 16:06.11 | Shirik | not requirements, design |
| 16:06.13 | Shirik | obviously |
| 16:06.26 | cladhaire | none of this is design |
| 16:06.35 | cladhaire | something like a resuable pool of frames is an optimization |
| 16:06.38 | Fisker- | nah Shirik |
| 16:06.45 | Shirik | oh yes |
| 16:06.46 | Shirik | well |
| 16:06.46 | Fisker- | Implementation, requirements, design |
| 16:06.55 | Redguard | cladhaire just an option if I have to make an overlayed frame |
| 16:06.56 | Shirik | optimization, implementation, design, requirements |
| 16:06.59 | Shirik | correct order ^ |
| 16:07.03 | Shirik | oh and test first |
| 16:07.29 | Redguard | ignore the pool comment then, but a custom frame on top of the button is an option |
| 16:07.42 | Redguard | if I can some how color a border to immitate $parentBorder on default buttons |
| 16:07.57 | Redguard | and shade that border, but leave the inside of that frame.. empty/fully transparent |
| 16:08.04 | Redguard | Interface\Buttons\UI-ActionButton-Border |
| 16:08.13 | Redguard | such as using that as a template, shading only what is white |
| 16:08.19 | Redguard | and leaving the black empty? |
| 16:08.30 | Redguard | i dunno |
| 16:08.41 | JoshBorke | Shirik: i thought it was implementation, optimization, design, requirements |
| 16:08.53 | Redguard | who cares about order |
| 16:08.59 | Redguard | the order is "get it done" |
| 16:09.01 | Redguard | :P |
| 16:09.17 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-Model You're supposed to start on the right side and go left |
| 16:09.19 | Redguard | I am failing thus far |
| 16:09.31 | Shirik | I think "Operations & Maintenance" counts as optimization |
| 16:10.54 | foxlit | Putting the cooldown model on top of the icon won't help you. |
| 16:11.29 | Redguard | yea |
| 16:11.38 | Redguard | but i dont know how to get it behind the icon |
| 16:11.46 | Redguard | since the default ui uses the icon as BACKGROUND |
| 16:11.55 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard : what are you trying? |
| 16:14.04 | Redguard | part of my addon adds a border around action buttons right? |
| 16:14.11 | Redguard | let's say a red outline/border |
| 16:14.28 | Redguard | and the whole border is red by default, but I want to add a timer to it of say 18 seconds |
| 16:14.30 | Redguard | or 15, or 20 |
| 16:14.44 | Redguard | and as the timer deincrements, i want the border to erase itself |
| 16:14.46 | Redguard | clockwise |
| 16:16.02 | Redguard | so say the timer is 18 seconds and 9 seconds passes, only half of the border should now be visible |
| 16:16.08 | [SW]Dodge | you mean you want the border to be like the default cooldown model but without the stuff in the center? |
| 16:16.19 | Redguard | yes :) |
| 16:16.45 | Redguard | either like that |
| 16:16.53 | Redguard | or.. to just completely make it transparent |
| 16:17.07 | [SW]Dodge | then i think you'll have to create 4 frames and resize the first frame(right) until it is zero then the second(bottom) and then 3rd and 4th :) |
| 16:17.25 | Redguard | lol |
| 16:17.29 | Redguard | you think so? :o |
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| 16:17.51 | Redguard | seems inefficient, doesn't it? |
| 16:17.52 | [SW]Dodge | or create X graphics with single steps and use them as overlay for the button |
| 16:18.15 | Redguard | problem with making x graphics with steps is that limits me to definite durations |
| 16:18.18 | Redguard | where it would be choppy |
| 16:18.30 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard: yea |
| 16:18.37 | Redguard | i dont want it choppy :/ |
| 16:19.05 | [SW]Dodge | then i think the only way is to make the 4 frames and build the border with them |
| 16:20.31 | Redguard | hmm |
| 16:20.57 | Redguard | is there a way i can cut shapes in frames of what is or is not visible |
| 16:21.10 | Redguard | set points, cut out a pie shape in a circle? |
| 16:21.10 | foxlit | no |
| 16:21.18 | ZorbaTHut | does anyone know what the ToggleQuestLog() equivalent in 3.0 is? assuming there is one? |
| 16:21.28 | Redguard | that's useless :/ |
| 16:21.47 | Redguard | how does recount and such draw circles with it's graphs |
| 16:22.12 | verahsa | quick question. does anyone know of any docs to help someone get started writing an addon? |
| 16:22.25 | verahsa | or, more importantly, modifying one? |
| 16:22.25 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard: dont know, check the code or ask elsia if she is online :) |
| 16:23.12 | Redguard | yea, i'll look at the code layer as it's just curiosity if that code would help me |
| 16:23.16 | Redguard | layer=later |
| 16:23.39 | Redguard | [SW]Dodge i've never made 3d models, is it possible to make a 3d model to accomplish this of what I want |
| 16:23.52 | Redguard | having the center transparent and only the outside shaded? |
| 16:24.08 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard: check Interface\AddOns\Recount\libs\LibGraph-2.0 |
| 16:24.27 | foxlit | [SW]Dodge: probably splining finite chunks together. |
| 16:24.32 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard: i dont know if it works with 3d models |
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| 16:27.45 | foxlit | What's the name of the 3.0.x patch, again? |
| 16:32.22 | Redguard | i am debating just making the border blink faster as the timer expires instead of animating it by erasing sections |
| 16:32.29 | Redguard | as that seems more native/easier in the WoW environment |
| 16:32.31 | Redguard | :( |
| 16:33.22 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard: yea, that would be easier |
| 16:35.10 | Redguard | easier but more annoying |
| 16:35.25 | Redguard | as blinking or changing alpha levels are.. i dunno |
| 16:35.39 | Redguard | i think less effective than a border indicating a sort of pie chart visual indicator |
| 16:35.43 | Redguard | of rough time left |
| 16:36.02 | Redguard | you can base your reaction based on the percentag of the border left shaded |
| 16:36.14 | Redguard | versus trying to count the blinking rate of a border to time it.. not so much |
| 16:36.29 | Redguard | so it's ugly to me, and i lose the visual indicator I was hoping for |
| 16:38.33 | ZorbaTHut | redguard, so, figure out how to implement the pie chart behavior |
| 16:39.11 | [SW]Dodge | as mentioned [18:24] [SW]Dodge: Redguard: check Interface\AddOns\Recount\libs\LibGraph-2.0 |
| 16:39.34 | [SW]Dodge | that seems to be the part in recount that creates the graphs |
| 16:39.36 | Redguard | yea, im looking still |
| 16:39.43 | Redguard | trying to see if it can inspire me a bit |
| 16:39.44 | Redguard | :P |
| 16:40.20 | Redguard | so far im thinking of making 4 layers the width of the border lines |
| 16:40.29 | Redguard | and just resizing the frames based on the timer |
| 16:40.45 | Redguard | rather than rotating |
| 16:41.06 | Redguard | this way i can just shrink the height of the frame so to speak |
| 16:41.12 | Redguard | make it look like the timer is running down |
| 16:41.18 | Redguard | ya? |
| 16:41.46 | [SW]Dodge | yea (if you do it how i imagine it then yea :P) |
| 16:41.50 | Redguard | i do not know how efficient this is though, but it'll have to do |
| 16:41.55 | Redguard | haha |
| 16:42.03 | Redguard | let's hope how you imagine it and I imagine it are the same |
| 16:42.10 | Redguard | :) |
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| 16:48.17 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard: if you hae done how you imagine it take 1 or 2 screens and show me :P |
| 16:48.28 | [SW]Dodge | then i'll tell u if that is the same :D |
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| 16:54.45 | Redguard | what do you mean show you |
| 16:54.53 | Redguard | make an image of the concept? |
| 16:55.15 | [SW]Dodge | upload the screens somewhere and send me the links :> |
| 16:55.46 | Redguard | hrm |
| 16:56.03 | Redguard | it might actually take 5 frames, let me think for a sec |
| 16:56.04 | [SW]Dodge | if you have implemented the border :) |
| 16:56.42 | Redguard | top line would be 2 frames i think |
| 16:56.49 | Redguard | as it starts at 12 o'clock |
| 16:57.02 | [SW]Dodge | hehe :) |
| 16:57.25 | Redguard | shift from 50% of the top bar right and then shift the right side bar down, bottom bar shifted right to left |
| 16:57.41 | Redguard | left bar shifted bottom to top, and then the top bar on the left side shifted left to right |
| 16:57.47 | Redguard | by shift i mean resize to shrink |
| 16:57.53 | Redguard | is this how you see it working as well? |
| 16:58.06 | Redguard | i dont like having to use _5_ frames (sounds inefficient as hell) |
| 16:58.18 | Redguard | but people are used to timers such as this starting at 12 o'clock |
| 16:58.25 | Redguard | as opposed to one of the corners of the square |
| 16:58.40 | Redguard | would you agree? |
| 16:58.58 | Redguard | or would it starting at the top left corner be acceptable (4 frames then) |
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| 17:00.52 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard: 5 frames is not that much ^^ |
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| 17:01.35 | Redguard | well, 5 frames and maybe.. |
| 17:01.43 | Redguard | 5-10 buttons it is affecting |
| 17:01.51 | Redguard | 50 frames sounds like a lot to me |
| 17:02.32 | Redguard | then again i've never done game programming, considering the huge number of polygons it deals with |
| 17:02.33 | Redguard | :P |
| 17:02.45 | Redguard | i suppose I can do 5 frames per button then, that'll work |
| 17:03.50 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard: imo its not (just) the frmae count that increases/decreases performance |
| 17:04.07 | [SW]Dodge | if your code is clean it should be no problem |
| 17:04.11 | [SW]Dodge | but you can test it |
| 17:04.33 | [SW]Dodge | get optionhouse and enable cpu tracking |
| 17:04.43 | [SW]Dodge | then youll se how much cpu/sec your addon uses |
| 17:04.52 | Redguard | well |
| 17:05.10 | Redguard | the problem with using frames now that im thinking is uhh |
| 17:05.18 | Redguard | the angles on the buttons wont erase cleanly |
| 17:05.28 | Redguard | you know what I mean? |
| 17:05.52 | Redguard | it won't wipe around the right angles smoothly, it'd be a bit block like |
| 17:06.07 | Tornhoof | does optionhouse work in wotlk? |
| 17:06.31 | [SW]Dodge | Tornhoof: i dont know if teher is aoption |
| 17:06.41 | foxlit | Moreover, does it do anything you can't do via a single-line /dump ? |
| 17:06.43 | [SW]Dodge | s/aoptin/update/ |
| 17:09.06 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard: youll find a good solution :) |
| 17:10.39 | foxlit | Frankly, just overlay another icon on top of the button |
| 17:11.06 | Cairenn|afk | Happy Birthday |Jelly| ! |
| 17:11.07 | foxlit | Won't actually be as clean, but it'll be trivial to implement, at least. |
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| 17:13.00 | [SW]Dodge | Cairenn|afk: sorry that i bug you again, but did you got an official info regarding keys for addon devs? or didnt you ask them yet? |
| 17:13.43 | Cairenn|afk | honestly, I forgot to ask |
| 17:13.58 | Cairenn|afk | talk about falling down on the job |
| 17:14.00 | Cairenn|afk | sorry |
| 17:14.02 | [SW]Dodge | evil :D! |
| 17:15.31 | [SW]Dodge | not that big problem, but would be cool to get some official info if there is a chance if we'll get the keys or not :) |
| 17:16.27 | Cairenn|afk | may be wrong, but have a feeling that they've just stopped sending out invites |
| 17:16.45 | Cairenn|afk | just wish they had told me, I would have closed the signup |
| 17:19.53 | foxlit | grr, Coldarra |
| 17:19.55 | [SW]Dodge | yea, it is bad that they dont told you if they really stopped. send them an email and ask them whats up. and maybe you could ask them if they could send out the invites to hte last tickets you had sent to them *gg* ;D |
| 17:20.09 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 17:24.10 | [SW]Dodge | please *cough* :D' |
| 17:25.00 | Redguard | how can i pull the cooldown model out of the cooldown template frame |
| 17:25.00 | Redguard | or find the file the model is using |
| 17:25.15 | Tornhoof | hmm is there any addon ccpu profiler mod which works on wotlk? |
| 17:25.25 | Redguard | foxlit which would work in theory, but other text and font overlays from default ui and addons would break certain features |
| 17:25.30 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard: you cant remove it, if you want to hide it just set the alpha to 0 (or was it 1 for full transparency?) |
| 17:25.36 | Redguard | so overlaying another icon on top would break more than it would fix |
| 17:25.52 | Redguard | [SW]Dodge i wanted to load the model from the cooldown template into 3dsmax |
| 17:25.59 | Redguard | see if i cant figure out how to edit it a bit |
| 17:26.05 | Redguard | and possibly make it work how I want? |
| 17:26.06 | [SW]Dodge | ah |
| 17:26.11 | [SW]Dodge | uhm... dunno >.< |
| 17:26.16 | foxlit | I'd be betting on "can't" there |
| 17:26.28 | Redguard | what do you mean foxlit |
| 17:26.36 | foxlit | "see if i cant figure out how to edit it a bit" |
| 17:26.43 | Redguard | hehe |
| 17:26.57 | Redguard | in due time :) |
| 17:27.05 | Redguard | i solve every issue |
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| 17:30.55 | Ose | how long has coldarra been offline? |
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| 17:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Over NINE THOUSAND MINUTES |
| 17:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | (No idea) |
| 17:35.38 | Redguard | Interface\Cooldown\UI-Cooldown-Indicator.m2 |
| 17:35.39 | ZorbaTHut | man, I should've built my own error handling into QH weeks ago |
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| 17:41.10 | schnoggo | anyone had luck hooking the calendar tooltips? I _think_ I hooked it, but my code isn't being called. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97546 |
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| 17:45.19 | leethal | is the eu beta realm down on a schedule, or just down? |
| 17:46.40 | schnoggo | aha! something is restoring CalendarDayButton_OnEnter |
| 17:47.07 | schnoggo | guess they don't want us messing with that :( |
| 17:47.16 | foxlit | Doubt it |
| 17:47.26 | foxlit | You're free to mess with more or less anything client-side. |
| 17:47.38 | foxlit | It's more likely that you aren't taking something into account. |
| 17:47.40 | nevcairiel | they never actively coded any addon protection in their lua |
| 17:47.43 | nevcairiel | they do all that in C =P |
| 17:48.06 | nevcairiel | check the calendar code where it actually restores that script |
| 17:48.34 | schnoggo | i put in a timer event to check the status of the hook - good until I actually pull up the calendar. |
| 17:48.41 | schnoggo | yup - next step |
| 17:48.50 | nevcairiel | sounds like something invoked from OnShow then |
| 17:49.06 | nevcairiel | or is the calendar itself LoD too? I guess it is |
| 17:49.55 | foxlit | I need a quick sign-off from anyone with 3.0.x access atm: does http://www.go-hero.net/opie/get/pub6 work without crashing horribly? |
| 17:50.23 | foxlit | Going to take ages for me to get the PTR client, and Coldarra is a mess. |
| 17:51.01 | [SW]Dodge | foxlit: if char select now works i can test on ptr |
| 17:51.40 | ZorbaTHut | oh god, ten consecutive "end"s |
| 17:51.44 | ZorbaTHut | sigh |
| 17:51.51 | nevcairiel | foxlit: you have evil folder layout in that zip =P |
| 17:52.02 | foxlit | nev: oh? :) |
| 17:52.25 | [SW]Dodge | ../opie |
| 17:52.27 | [SW]Dodge | lul |
| 17:52.30 | foxlit | Hah, fun! |
| 17:52.30 | nevcairiel | it shows the folder named as "..\Opie" |
| 17:52.49 | foxlit | Wonder what it extracts as |
| 17:53.22 | [SW]Dodge | just "OPie" |
| 17:53.23 | nevcairiel | properly as OPie |
| 17:53.24 | nevcairiel | it seems |
| 17:53.36 | nevcairiel | on windows, anyway |
| 17:53.44 | foxlit | On a mac, too |
| 17:54.02 | [SW]Dodge | foxlit: seems to work fine :) |
| 17:54.10 | [SW]Dodge | on eu ptr :) |
| 17:54.34 | foxlit | I've been playing with command line zip, so I suppose I was a little too clever with specifying what to zip |
| 17:54.43 | foxlit | Updated it now, should be gone |
| 17:55.06 | foxlit | [SW]Dodge: take a second to type /opie and check whether the configuration categories show up properly and without errors |
| 17:55.15 | [SW]Dodge | i did |
| 17:55.30 | [SW]Dodge | Opie with sub cats ring bindings custom rings and animations |
| 17:55.32 | foxlit | Oh, okay, awesome :) |
| 17:57.02 | [SW]Dodge | foxlit: i must say i like that addon (using it on live allready) |
| 17:57.46 | [SW]Dodge | but sometimes it buggs me that the druidforms ring always want to use mount and not travel from |
| 17:58.02 | [SW]Dodge | often i want to use travel for short ways to run ^^ |
| 17:58.08 | foxlit | Hold shift |
| 17:58.39 | foxlit | You'll be happy to know that the wrath version of that is currently broken (/me shakes fist at companion API), so it won't even try to mount you :) |
| 17:59.37 | [SW]Dodge | foxlit : i know about that modifier key, but i'm using ALT+Q for the druid forms ring |
| 18:00.06 | [SW]Dodge | i dont want to damage my finger while trying to hit shift too :P |
| 18:00.33 | foxlit | And that means you get the wrong indication, too :( |
| 18:00.52 | foxlit | (i.e. it'll tell you it'll use travel form, and then proceed to mount :( ) |
| 18:01.08 | [SW]Dodge | foxlit: yea that is in current release too :) |
| 18:01.35 | foxlit | Short of doing some nasty filtering on the macro conditional strings, I don't think I can fix that :( |
| 18:02.01 | schnoggo | nevcairiel: thanks so much - i would have been chasing ghosts for hours. It was LOD and now all is well :) |
| 18:02.11 | foxlit | But anyhow, something to look into, now that the specter of 3.0 doom is gone. |
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| 18:02.28 | foxlit | (gah, client. Sec.) |
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| 18:02.47 | [SW]Dodge | wb ^^ |
| 18:02.49 | foxlit | Better. Sometimes it ends up selecting the whole window and coloring it gray :/ |
| 18:03.06 | [SW]Dodge | which client ? ;P |
| 18:03.25 | foxlit | Colloquy |
| 18:04.02 | cladhaire | LimeChat > Colloquy :P |
| 18:04.05 | Redguard | cladhaire |
| 18:04.08 | [SW]Dodge | foxlit: try http://limechat.net/mac/ (i think i would use it if i would have mac) |
| 18:04.15 | [SW]Dodge | lol cladhaire :D |
| 18:04.18 | Redguard | I am now finding SetTexCoord, would this be a viable option for my task |
| 18:04.28 | cladhaire | Redguard: no, it wouldn't. |
| 18:04.33 | Redguard | why not :< |
| 18:04.36 | cladhaire | it doesn't do what you seem to think it does |
| 18:04.42 | Redguard | it cuts out texture sections, no? |
| 18:04.46 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:04.47 | cladhaire | it doesn't. |
| 18:05.00 | Redguard | wowwiki - "The function cuts a sub-region out of the texture to display ingame. " |
| 18:05.03 | Redguard | i've been lied to :( |
| 18:05.30 | foxlit | not technically a lie |
| 18:05.42 | cladhaire | well its a terrible definition |
| 18:05.45 | cladhaire | Sets the corner coordinates for the texture display |
| 18:05.48 | foxlit | [SW]Dodge: http://colloquy.info/screenshots.html isn't too bad, except for a few bugs. |
| 18:05.52 | cladhaire | that is technically more accurate |
| 18:05.54 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexCoord |
| 18:06.16 | foxlit | Yeah, great, that's even less informative. |
| 18:06.23 | cladhaire | With SetTexCoord, you tell the graphics engine what point within the source texture should be placed at the given "location" |
| 18:06.36 | cladhaire | SetTexCoord(ULx, ULy, LLx, LLy, URx, URy, LRx, LRy) |
| 18:06.54 | cladhaire | ULx == UpperLeftX, LLy == LowerLeftY |
| 18:07.08 | Redguard | ya |
| 18:07.10 | Redguard | hrm.. |
| 18:07.10 | cladhaire | so to flip a texture horizontally, using the four parameter version you'd do |
| 18:07.21 | cladhaire | texture:SetTexCoord(1, 0, 0, 1) |
| 18:07.32 | [SW]Dodge | foxlit: looks nice too :) |
| 18:07.33 | Redguard | ya while i might need to flip a texture later to ghetto rig what i want |
| 18:07.34 | cladhaire | whereas to make it display normally, you would do texture:SetTexCoord(0, 1, 0, 1) |
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| 18:07.42 | Redguard | damn |
| 18:07.56 | Redguard | I am searching for a pot of gold on a rainbow here |
| 18:08.35 | [SW]Dodge | Redguard: good luck :) |
| 18:08.38 | Redguard | using a .m2 file might just be my only option |
| 18:08.48 | nevcairiel | its at the end, not on top of the rainbow, might make searching easier :D |
| 18:08.51 | Redguard | not that I understand how to make the .m2 file yet |
| 18:08.52 | cladhaire | you can do it using just textures |
| 18:08.53 | cladhaire | you don't need a model |
| 18:09.00 | Redguard | well |
| 18:09.03 | cladhaire | use a series of textures to make the animation |
| 18:09.11 | Redguard | i thought of such cladhaire |
| 18:09.16 | cladhaire | image files, not textures |
| 18:09.18 | cladhaire | but same principle |
| 18:09.30 | Redguard | or using a texture and flipping it then resizing it to achieve a similar result |
| 18:09.36 | cladhaire | lolwut? |
| 18:09.41 | Redguard | uhh |
| 18:09.42 | foxlit | I think that was rejected because of granularity. |
| 18:09.45 | cladhaire | what does flipping and resizing have to do with anything? |
| 18:09.59 | cladhaire | well lets think |
| 18:10.06 | Redguard | cladhaire i was going to use a frame and color it, then resize it to shrink it to simulate what i wanted |
| 18:10.10 | cladhaire | you have something you could do in a very short period of time that will clearly work |
| 18:10.14 | cladhaire | or ... nothing |
| 18:10.19 | Redguard | my only issue is when i am trying to shape around the corners |
| 18:10.19 | cladhaire | perhaps I'm confused |
| 18:10.28 | Redguard | it'd go horizontal, then vertical swipe |
| 18:10.34 | Redguard | and it wouldnt look "clean" so to speak |
| 18:10.40 | cladhaire | I don't understand |
| 18:10.44 | Redguard | ok |
| 18:10.44 | cladhaire | you can do whatever you want with textures |
| 18:10.58 | Redguard | you have a box right |
| 18:11.02 | cladhaire | yes? |
| 18:11.07 | cladhaire | its even cardboard |
| 18:11.15 | Redguard | top = bar 1, right = bar 2 |
| 18:11.28 | Redguard | when i erase (resize) bar 1 from left to right |
| 18:11.34 | cladhaire | whoa whoa |
| 18:11.37 | cladhaire | hold on |
| 18:11.39 | Redguard | and bar 1 reaches size 0, then i start to resize bar 2 from top to bottom |
| 18:11.42 | cladhaire | why did you even mention the word resize |
| 18:11.49 | Redguard | no? |
| 18:12.03 | cladhaire | my question wasn't a yes/no question |
| 18:12.07 | cladhaire | why did you even mention the word resize? |
| 18:12.14 | Redguard | why, because I'd be resizing the frame |
| 18:12.16 | Redguard | would I not |
| 18:12.21 | Redguard | scaling it |
| 18:12.26 | cladhaire | No, why would you resize anything? |
| 18:12.28 | Redguard | whatever |
| 18:12.30 | nevcairiel | because he does a animated erase, which resizes it to 0, slowly? :) |
| 18:12.40 | Redguard | to emulate it being erased cladhaire |
| 18:12.41 | cladhaire | that's a terrible way to do it. |
| 18:12.44 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10867007107&sid=1&pageNo=1 lulz |
| 18:12.46 | cladhaire | and not at all what I'm talking about. |
| 18:12.47 | Redguard | then how would it be done |
| 18:12.54 | cladhaire | Redguard: run the UI extraction |
| 18:13.00 | cladhaire | open the ShowMeTheMoney tutorial |
| 18:13.03 | cladhaire | see animation using textures |
| 18:13.09 | cladhaire | if you need to animate something |
| 18:13.10 | Redguard | ok let me go look at it |
| 18:13.13 | cladhaire | make the steps, and animate it. |
| 18:13.18 | cladhaire | o |
| 18:13.22 | Redguard | problem is hrm |
| 18:13.23 | cladhaire | i'll post the picture. |
| 18:13.31 | Redguard | there are no steps |
| 18:13.37 | Redguard | the steps are % / frame rate |
| 18:13.48 | Redguard | there could be hundreds of steps |
| 18:13.56 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 18:13.59 | Redguard | is it not stupid to make a snap shot of each position? |
| 18:14.08 | nevcairiel | you could always limit it to a certain animation speed |
| 18:14.12 | cladhaire | Why on earth does this have anythign to do with FPS? |
| 18:14.15 | cladhaire | YOU make these decisions |
| 18:14.20 | cladhaire | and if you're making bad ones, I can't help you :P |
| 18:14.24 | Redguard | hehe |
| 18:14.35 | cladhaire | Doing a animation that the number of steps relies on the framerate is a bad idea |
| 18:14.38 | Redguard | i could nevcairiel, but i'm still limited to accuracy |
| 18:14.39 | cladhaire | you set a target animation |
| 18:14.53 | Redguard | i would prefer the accuracy to be rounded to the pixel precision |
| 18:14.53 | cladhaire | and a target time to complete it |
| 18:14.54 | cladhaire | and you do it |
| 18:14.59 | Redguard | not to whatever photoshop frames i made |
| 18:15.10 | cladhaire | well, you dont even have a basic proof of concept or mockup from what i'm seeing |
| 18:15.16 | cladhaire | so I think you're gettign way ahead of yourself. |
| 18:15.19 | Redguard | no cladhaire |
| 18:15.37 | Redguard | the location of the erased border relies on % |
| 18:15.49 | Redguard | what i meant is frame rate will show a fluid erasing movement |
| 18:15.58 | cladhaire | I want to cry. |
| 18:16.00 | Redguard | vs a block like erase with frames |
| 18:16.17 | Redguard | frames=snap shot images like you are mentioning |
| 18:16.21 | cladhaire | Why can you not make X steps of animation snap shots |
| 18:16.28 | cladhaire | and then move through them based on the framerate |
| 18:16.37 | cladhaire | is time not a factor here at all? |
| 18:16.42 | Redguard | well.. hrm |
| 18:16.51 | cladhaire | i.e. if they haev a machine that is 3 fps, the border will take 10 minutes to erase itself? |
| 18:16.56 | cladhaire | that is the desired behavior? |
| 18:16.58 | Redguard | i guess given what, like 128 frames |
| 18:17.10 | Redguard | i could do this cladhaire, but does making 128 frames seem logical? |
| 18:17.22 | Redguard | no cladhaire you're mis understanding |
| 18:17.28 | cladhaire | I hope so |
| 18:17.33 | Redguard | you are :) |
| 18:17.47 | Redguard | my objective is to make the border erase fluid |
| 18:17.51 | cladhaire | yes |
| 18:17.55 | cladhaire | and I understand that completely |
| 18:18.03 | Redguard | so to make it fluid id need as many frames as possible per pixel change |
| 18:18.09 | cladhaire | thats your opinion |
| 18:18.11 | cladhaire | not a fact |
| 18:18.19 | cladhaire | you've also yet to answer my question |
| 18:18.23 | Redguard | whichq |
| 18:18.25 | Redguard | q* |
| 18:18.25 | cladhaire | how does time factor into this |
| 18:18.36 | Redguard | time just factors how far the border is erased |
| 18:18.44 | cladhaire | so it is as I said then |
| 18:18.46 | Redguard | as it changes |
| 18:18.48 | Redguard | no |
| 18:18.56 | cladhaire | On a slow FPS machine.. the border will erase slower than a fast FPS machine |
| 18:18.56 | Redguard | time defines the position it should be at |
| 18:19.00 | Redguard | not the position it will be at |
| 18:19.05 | Redguard | again - you are mis understanding |
| 18:19.15 | cladhaire | No, I'm asking questions trying to understand |
| 18:19.18 | cladhaire | don't be so quick to diagnose me |
| 18:19.21 | Redguard | it is relied upon time not fps |
| 18:19.32 | Redguard | time defines the internal angle it should be at |
| 18:19.41 | cladhaire | Okay, and how long does it take completely for the border to disappear |
| 18:19.43 | cladhaire | to be erased |
| 18:19.45 | cladhaire | from start to finish |
| 18:19.48 | Redguard | if it is a slow machine - it will skip frames obviously |
| 18:19.53 | cladhaire | okay |
| 18:19.59 | Redguard | it could be 3 seconds, it could be 20 |
| 18:20.03 | cladhaire | then you've given me absolutely no reason why what I've proposed doesn't work. |
| 18:20.11 | cladhaire | Wait now. |
| 18:20.12 | Redguard | variations between 5 and 20 would be realistic for my task |
| 18:20.22 | Redguard | depending on the timer i set the border erase for |
| 18:20.22 | cladhaire | Then you're dreaming |
| 18:20.29 | cladhaire | whether its a model, or a set of textures |
| 18:20.32 | Redguard | how am i dreaming |
| 18:20.42 | schnoggo | cladhaire is committing blasphemy? Luring good people away from Colloquy? |
| 18:20.42 | Redguard | cooldown lets you set an indefinite time |
| 18:20.45 | Redguard | so why can't I? |
| 18:20.58 | cladhaire | because cooldown is a model, and you don't have one |
| 18:21.13 | Redguard | so - why can't I make a model then ; is this not the best solution I have? |
| 18:21.28 | cladhaire | its not a solution, is my point |
| 18:21.31 | cladhaire | sure, research it |
| 18:21.41 | cladhaire | but i've been asking all day, each time this comes up why what we've proposed isn't good enough |
| 18:21.47 | cladhaire | and it took this much teeth pulling to figure it out. |
| 18:22.03 | Redguard | you're losing me |
| 18:22.17 | Redguard | using images to animate textures is ok |
| 18:22.23 | Redguard | it's just not ideal in my mind |
| 18:22.29 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 18:22.38 | Redguard | ok |
| 18:22.40 | cladhaire | then my points have all been missed, and I know when to give up |
| 18:22.51 | Redguard | cladhaire nevermind, i see your point with the corners on textures |
| 18:23.03 | cladhaire | I didn't make one, so that's remarkable : |
| 18:23.04 | cladhaire | :P |
| 18:23.18 | cladhaire | as far as I am aware, there has only been one person who has figured out how to create a model file for use in-game. |
| 18:23.19 | Redguard | self reflection |
| 18:23.25 | Redguard | yes? |
| 18:23.32 | Redguard | but let's say theoretically |
| 18:23.35 | cladhaire | that model does not have any animations, whatsoever |
| 18:23.44 | Redguard | models CAN do what I want, exactly as I want it? |
| 18:23.48 | cladhaire | I have no idea |
| 18:23.53 | Redguard | models do have animation |
| 18:24.01 | cladhaire | no one does.. because as a community do not know how to create something like the cooldown model |
| 18:24.07 | Redguard | whoever this guy is that made a model - if his does I don't know |
| 18:24.16 | Redguard | yes - this is where my frustration comes into play |
| 18:24.16 | cladhaire | his doesn't. |
| 18:24.20 | Redguard | no one knows :/ |
| 18:24.33 | Redguard | i will analyze the cooldown model then |
| 18:24.41 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.42 | Redguard | if that fails, I will go to the animated texture |
| 18:24.43 | cladhaire | have you done 3-d rendering |
| 18:24.46 | cladhaire | working in blender,etc. |
| 18:24.51 | Thunder_Child | it's like watching two legless people fencing in the dark while blindfolded |
| 18:24.51 | Redguard | i have before yes |
| 18:25.04 | cladhaire | then perhaps you're in a better position than others |
| 18:25.07 | Redguard | i am installing an old copy of 3ds max, hopefully it can read the .m2 file from wow |
| 18:25.20 | Redguard | Thunder_Child lol |
| 18:25.47 | Thunder_Child | ty Redguard, i have my moments |
| 18:29.10 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: out of interest, how do you watch people in the dark? |
| 18:29.32 | Tornhoof | daredevil style |
| 18:29.48 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, i have blindsight |
| 18:30.09 | Redguard | foxlit infrared vision |
| 18:30.17 | Redguard | sonar.. |
| 18:30.20 | Redguard | :o |
| 18:30.41 | Redguard | dark is also relative |
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| 18:46.22 | Mikk | Redguard: wowmodelviewer can export models to other useful formats |
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| 19:01.56 | Neuro_Medivh | Does anyone run Gatherer in the beta? |
| 19:04.58 | Redguard | ya mikk |
| 19:05.03 | Redguard | .m2 should be fine though |
| 19:05.29 | ccox | gatherer is mostly working, but doesn't handle northrend yet |
| 19:05.58 | ccox | gatherer also still has a few small errors (changes in coordinates) in old areas (like EP) |
| 19:07.25 | nevcairiel | Shouldnt that be like a matter of running some script to update that? Considering new EP is in 1.5 weeks, if you trust the rumors |
| 19:10.29 | ccox | not a script, but the author is working on it |
| 19:10.55 | nevcairiel | Maldivia did you play around with the new Flourish buff yet? Its not too bad imho, but still the 80 version feels like it belongs on 70 |
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| 19:24.09 | Shirik | ~dns 208.117.236.37 |
| 19:24.15 | Tuller | bwish: http://code.google.com/p/tullamods/wiki/Dominos |
| 19:25.39 | Tuller | though I think a real wiki might still be better |
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| 19:35.34 | nevcairiel | man why is Coldarra completly down now |
| 19:36.51 | Stanzilla | some bug again? |
| 19:37.04 | Fisker- | nevcairiel because it's europe |
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| 19:38.13 | art3mis | hey shirik |
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| 19:38.22 | art3mis | where'd cidan get off to? |
| 19:38.58 | Shirik | good question |
| 19:39.02 | Shirik | I haven't talked to him in a while |
| 19:40.07 | art3mis | havent seen him since before summer |
| 19:40.21 | art3mis | it's nice to see there's a war ui thingy now though |
| 19:40.37 | art3mis | despite the fact it's got most of the usual suspects built into the interface on default |
| 19:41.02 | art3mis | but a hud and combat log might be a good addition ;) |
| 19:43.53 | Cairenn | wow, hey, it's an art3mis! |
| 19:45.30 | art3mis | nu uh! |
| 19:45.52 | art3mis | hey how come the accounts on wowi dont carry voer to wari? |
| 19:46.01 | art3mis | that makes me sad |
| 19:46.24 | Cairenn | because the sites aren't global yet |
| 19:46.52 | art3mis | oh |
| 19:46.56 | art3mis | but will be? |
| 19:46.59 | art3mis | or should i remake |
| 19:47.17 | Cairenn | you need to make a separate account on each site |
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| 19:47.40 | art3mis | hokies |
| 19:48.11 | art3mis | so whos all playing war these days |
| 19:48.26 | art3mis | since im assuming that a good portion of people in the channel are just there because |
| 19:54.08 | |pez| | art3mis :o |
| 19:55.11 | art3mis | hiya sexy pez |
| 19:55.28 | |pez| | Hi! |
| 19:55.51 | art3mis | how you? |
| 19:55.59 | |pez| | good! |
| 19:56.01 | |pez| | making a poster atm. |
| 19:56.03 | art3mis | i bet |
| 19:56.09 | art3mis | a posteR? |
| 19:56.13 | art3mis | of whut |
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| 19:56.28 | |pez| | http://misc.slacktitude.net/skole/plakatoppgave_sept_2008/ja_til_homofilt_ekteskap_2.jpg |
| 19:56.37 | |pez| | if your computer understands CMYK images.... |
| 19:56.44 | |pez| | or else you'll have to download and view it. |
| 19:57.06 | Cairenn | hey Lopeppeppy :) |
| 19:57.11 | art3mis | does that say hetro couples are the devil go gays go?! |
| 19:57.11 | Cairenn | 3 sleeps! |
| 19:57.11 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Cairenn! |
| 19:57.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You've ever aimed to do anything else? |
| 19:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | 3 sleeps! And OMG so much to do!!! |
| 19:57.31 | Cairenn | tell me about it! |
| 19:57.34 | |pez| | art3mis: not quite XD |
| 19:57.38 | art3mis | heh |
| 19:57.47 | |pez| | but it does say yes to gay marriage. |
| 19:57.48 | Lopeppeppy | I have houseguests while I'm gone, I actually have to leave the place in decent shape! |
| 19:58.11 | Cairenn | I don't have that problem, than god |
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| 19:58.29 | Cairenn | just need to make sure there's enough clean dishes for kiddo to be able to cook her food ... |
| 19:58.38 | foxlit | parse error near "than": comparison expected |
| 19:58.45 | Lopeppeppy | Leave her some paper plates and plasticware. :) |
| 19:58.49 | art3mis | wowcon already? |
| 19:58.56 | Cairenn | art3mis: yeah |
| 19:59.00 | art3mis | madness |
| 19:59.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yeahyeahyeahyeah!!!! |
| 19:59.08 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: doesn't do any good for the cooking part ;) |
| 19:59.10 | Seerah | BlizzCon - yea yea yea yea! |
| 19:59.14 | Cairenn | just the eating part |
| 19:59.15 | Lopeppeppy | Microwave! |
| 19:59.17 | art3mis | but if you go how are you gonna get the polar baer mount from the ppv? |
| 19:59.17 | Cairenn | Seerah: 3 sleeps! |
| 19:59.35 | Cairenn | art3mis: it's in the goody bag |
| 19:59.40 | art3mis | oh |
| 19:59.50 | Seerah | 5 sleeps for me :( |
| 19:59.54 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo! |
| 19:59.57 | art3mis | well be sure to swing back here when yer done your headonistic trip ;) |
| 20:00.08 | art3mis | hedonistic |
| 20:00.18 | Seerah | headonastick? |
| 20:00.19 | Cairenn | yayayayayay |
| 20:00.23 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:00.25 | Lopeppeppy | This channel is going to be short on females for the end of the week, |pez|, you're totally on duty |
| 20:00.35 | Shirik | that reminds me |
| 20:00.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Shirik-dear? |
| 20:00.47 | Shirik | I need to get film |
| 20:00.49 | Shirik | a lot of film |
| 20:00.51 | Lopeppeppy | Film? |
| 20:00.55 | Lopeppeppy | ... what is... film? |
| 20:00.56 | art3mis | pez has the goth look, she'll totally keep them in line |
| 20:01.01 | Seerah | shirik still uses file cameras |
| 20:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a few multi-GB SD cards if you need em', Shirik |
| 20:01.06 | Seerah | think's he's special :) |
| 20:01.10 | |pez| | waitwhathuuh? |
| 20:01.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Compared to your flight I'm just minutes away |
| 20:01.12 | Cairenn | no |
| 20:01.15 | Cairenn | no film |
| 20:01.16 | Shirik | Yes, I love my camera |
| 20:01.25 | Shirik | oh Cairenn, it gets better |
| 20:01.45 | Shirik | I intend to push it to 3200 or so for high speed shots :D |
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| 20:01.55 | Lopeppeppy | ....No high speed shots!!!! |
| 20:01.59 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, tell him! |
| 20:02.02 | Seerah | oh yeah! I should have gotten a new memory card, too.... Mine is 124MB (from back when that used to be huge....) |
| 20:02.13 | Cairenn | no |
| 20:02.18 | Cairenn | no pictures |
| 20:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, totally upgrade. I have a 2g and I'm getting another one. |
| 20:02.29 | Lopeppeppy | (best way to not get pictures taken is to always be taking them, I find) |
| 20:02.39 | alestane | ...pwha thewhohuh? |
| 20:02.56 | Lopeppeppy | (Pssst. The no pictures of the girls debate, back us up!) |
| 20:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: Shirik is bringing his camera to BlizzCon. The resident females are revolting. |
| 20:03.11 | Shirik | I believe Thunder_Child is too |
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| 20:03.23 | Shirik | and I would be very surprised if Iriel didn't |
| 20:03.30 | ccox | Lope - he needs highspeed shots to freeze Cairenn's hyperactive motion |
| 20:03.30 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, if I were you I would rephrase that remark. |
| 20:03.37 | Cairenn | thanks a lot ScytheBlade1, I didn't think I was that bad looking! sheesh |
| 20:03.49 | ScytheBlade1 | s/revolting/revolting against such a concept/ |
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| 20:03.51 | Seerah | peppy has... a tail? |
| 20:03.55 | Cairenn | better |
| 20:04.07 | ccox | Scythe - what a nasty thing to say about he resident females! |
| 20:04.08 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, I is a dinosaur, I sometimes have a tail, when I want one. |
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| 20:04.16 | Seerah | true true |
| 20:04.19 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is scary when she's angry :( |
| 20:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 20:04.31 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr I say. |
| 20:04.31 | Seerah | Peppy, I's did find you on beta |
| 20:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | (In context it wasn't that bad, was it? :P) |
| 20:04.51 | alestane | I thought we established subjects had delete rights on photos? |
| 20:04.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! I can't much play the beta, Seerah, it crashes my computer. I'm hoping the release game is better. |
| 20:05.08 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, you and I and Cairenn did, dunno if the others will participate in that economy. |
| 20:05.14 | theduke | hi there.. i have quite a noobish question.. didn't find anything helpful online |
| 20:05.19 | Shirik | alestane: Problem is I have no delete button |
| 20:05.21 | Lopeppeppy | Ask away, theduke. |
| 20:05.22 | Shirik | how unfortunate |
| 20:05.59 | foxlit | Just delete shirik's camera from this reality |
| 20:05.59 | theduke | how do i create / commands for my addon? |
| 20:05.59 | theduke | for now, I just want to do something simple like changing the value of a variable |
| 20:06.01 | foxlit | Problem solved. |
| 20:06.07 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:06.17 | foxlit | theduke: http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:HOWTOs -> |
| 20:06.27 | ScytheBlade1 | theduke: to be more specific, http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_a_Slash_Command |
| 20:06.29 | foxlit | theduke -> http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 20:06.49 | foxlit | I wonder why ScytheBlade1 has a redirect bookmark :) |
| 20:06.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Google. |
| 20:06.56 | theduke | ahh |
| 20:06.56 | theduke | thanks |
| 20:06.58 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awowwiki.com+create+a+slash+command&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=mozilla&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
| 20:07.02 | foxlit | ah |
| 20:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Check out the first result ;) |
| 20:07.13 | foxlit | I usually go through http://wowwiki.com/HOWTOs |
| 20:07.20 | foxlit | seems like less stuff to type |
| 20:07.44 | theduke | well, I searched for creating / commands, not slash commands |
| 20:07.45 | theduke | (yeah, yeah, laugh... :P ) |
| 20:07.48 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 20:07.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Well now you know :) |
| 20:08.02 | foxlit | Generally, go for the index pages on wowwiki |
| 20:08.13 | foxlit | There are a few interesting ones, inline search in those is your friend :) |
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| 20:10.07 | alestane | All I can really say to people with cameras is this: |
| 20:10.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "Any and all needed retribution shall be swift and painful"? |
| 20:10.37 | alestane | 1) Some of these people get scary when their pictures becomes a public trust; |
| 20:10.55 | alestane | 2) You have to deal with said people on a regular basis; |
| 20:11.00 | alestane | 3) Choose wisely. |
| 20:11.21 | Shirik | I think that you underestimate my morality, which is rather depressing actually |
| 20:11.49 | ccox | can we underestimate zero? |
| 20:12.01 | ccox | :-P |
| 20:12.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think it's a matter of /you/, I think it's a matter of said shots being distributed to more than just /you/. |
| 20:12.20 | Shirik | That would still reflect on my morals would it not? |
| 20:12.27 | ZorbaTHut | ha ha. http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i171/netrunner101/WoWScrnShot_100508_123603.jpg sometimes questhelper is exceedingly helpful |
| 20:12.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, I read that differently :P |
| 20:13.22 | ccox | Zorba - looks like it recursed a little TOO far down the requirements chain |
| 20:13.30 | Neuro_Medivh | Ok, does anyone know why gatherer crashes my WoW client during load? |
| 20:13.34 | ZorbaTHut | ccox, nope, no recursion here (that was a different bug :P) |
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| 20:13.40 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik... if you want to understand the female psychology in this, I'm happy to explain. It's... so complex.... |
| 20:13.44 | ZorbaTHut | it's just saying, hey, look at all these things this monster could theoretically drop! |
| 20:13.50 | ZorbaTHut | and they could *all* disenchant to Arcane Dust! |
| 20:13.51 | ZorbaTHut | YEAH |
| 20:14.13 | Shirik | I don't think it's that complex |
| 20:14.16 | ZorbaTHut | though I do have a similar recursion bug that used to hardlock WoW when it hit :D (that one's fixed now) |
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| 20:14.41 | Neuro_Medivh | demale psychology is easy. Women want what they want, when they want it. |
| 20:14.51 | Neuro_Medivh | s/demale/female/ |
| 20:14.57 | ccox | ok, it's not recursion, it's descending down the chain of requirements too far |
| 20:15.16 | ccox | it is recursion from the viewpoint of the node/requirement descender |
| 20:15.16 | ZorbaTHut | no, it's descending down the *list* of possible goals |
| 20:15.22 | ZorbaTHut | it's not recursion in any sense |
| 20:15.38 | ZorbaTHut | it's just saying "this could be it, *or* this could be it, *or* this could be it" |
| 20:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, come over in the corner with me, we'll both wear black hoodies. |
| 20:15.58 | ZorbaTHut | I did have a recursion glitch when it decided that you could loot Big-Mouth Clams from other Big-Mouth Clams. that was recursion. :P |
| 20:16.24 | ccox | sigh. |
| 20:16.31 | ccox | that is a loop |
| 20:16.41 | ZorbaTHut | yes, yes it is. |
| 20:16.50 | ZorbaTHut | you are quite correct. |
| 20:17.02 | Shirik | I am suddenly scared that my flight to California may become one-way |
| 20:17.03 | ccox | this is recursion in the sense of a recursive descent of a tree/graph |
| 20:17.22 | ZorbaTHut | no, it really isn't. all of those items are on the same depth. |
| 20:17.29 | foxlit | careful, you. |
| 20:17.31 | foxlit | "tree" |
| 20:18.03 | ZorbaTHut | all "it may drop (green magic item)" are on the same depth, all of which link to "disenchant to arcane dust", all of which link to "you have 0/2" |
| 20:18.10 | ccox | Zorba - you aren't seeing direct drops as quest requirements, you're seeing disenchanting of them as quest items |
| 20:18.18 | ZorbaTHut | there are a very small finite number of depths represented there. |
| 20:18.26 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that part is recursion, but that's only three deep, ever |
| 20:18.28 | ccox | Zorba - item is level 1, DE is level 2, result of DE is level 3 |
| 20:18.40 | ZorbaTHut | and that's what it *should* be doing |
| 20:18.54 | ZorbaTHut | what it *shouldn't* be doing is generating eight bajillion level 1 items because, oh hey, this monster could drop any one of a bunch of green items |
| 20:18.56 | ccox | yes, but it probably should not have gone that deep in the first place |
| 20:19.12 | ZorbaTHut | no, it should be doing that. that's part of what questhelper does. it's an excellent feature |
| 20:19.32 | ZorbaTHut | it's questionable whether it should be talking about disenchanting, note. |
| 20:19.36 | ccox | telling me that IF I can DE an item, and that item MIGHT drop, then it is useful to kill this mob? |
| 20:20.02 | ZorbaTHut | but it doesn't actually understand "disenchanting" as a special type of thing, and "looting" for things like clam meat is extremely helpful |
| 20:20.12 | ccox | That's like, "hey, this mob drops herbs, that might be used for potions, that might be used for blacksmithing, that might be used for this other quest" |
| 20:20.26 | ccox | direct loots sounds useful |
| 20:20.29 | ZorbaTHut | actually, I'd consider that to be useful, if it did have a specific chain it had in mind :) |
| 20:20.34 | ZorbaTHut | there's two issues here |
| 20:20.35 | ccox | indirect, not always that useful |
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| 20:20.42 | ZorbaTHut | first, it shouldn't be suggesting disenchanting unless you can actually do it |
| 20:20.55 | ZorbaTHut | but more importantly, it shouldn't be considering "random world green drops" as a thing in the first place |
| 20:21.27 | ZorbaTHut | which means I need to de-link "random world green drops" from the monster, which means I need to *detect* them, which is already something I want to do for a variety of reasons |
| 20:21.34 | ZorbaTHut | nothin' to do with recursion though, just to do with data sanity. |
| 20:21.46 | ccox | but even if you have mob drops, should it consider them only as direct items, or should it ever consider the full chain of what you can do with those items? |
| 20:21.58 | ZorbaTHut | I'm fine with considering the full chain, personally. |
| 20:22.23 | ZorbaTHut | I think it would be kind of neat if you could say "I want to make a gyro-balanced khorium destroyer" and it said "welp, okay, first go mine these mining nodes . . ." |
| 20:22.52 | ccox | Zorba - maybe, but you should offer "buy these bars" first |
| 20:23.14 | ZorbaTHut | I'm actually toying with the idea of making a production plugin at some point which would do things like that |
| 20:23.19 | ZorbaTHut | don't think I'd merge it into QH though |
| 20:23.53 | ZorbaTHut | and yeah, I do need for QH to be slightly smarter about "buy these items" instead of "loot them from this mailbox :D :D :D" but that'll take a bit and it rarely come sup |
| 20:24.10 | ccox | ATSW has some features like that -- keeping a list of mats for what you want to craft, so you know to buy them at vendor or AH |
| 20:24.29 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I use it, but it's nowhere near complete enough for me |
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| 20:25.02 | ZorbaTHut | I want something that will keep track of stock, both in-AH and in-bank, across multiple alts, and hook into auctioneer to help with purchase of raw materials and selling of produced materials. |
| 20:25.16 | ccox | Zorba - maybe "you have this many, you need X more" - just keep track of what is in bags and bank (and alts if you want to go all out) |
| 20:25.41 | ccox | bagnon has code for tracking mats across alts pretty decently |
| 20:25.52 | ZorbaTHut | and also a little link into baggins for "okay now mail this stuff to this character, this stuff to this character, etc" |
| 20:26.10 | ZorbaTHut | I basically want to see if I can make an economic powerhouse plugin :D |
| 20:26.20 | ccox | go for it |
| 20:26.32 | ZorbaTHut | maybe eventually. not until wrath, at the very least |
| 20:26.38 | ccox | (we can certainly use the economic help :- ) |
| 20:28.22 | Mike-N-Go | Hello. I am working on my new addon, AdMod, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97553 is the Bindings.xml file. For some reason, they do not show up under the keybinds list; Is there something wrong with my code? |
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| 20:29.40 | Mike-N-Go | Could the problem be in the .lua or .toc file? |
| 20:30.54 | ccox | hmm, all my other examples are Bindins.xml not Binding.xml -- have to go lookup if the name is meaningful |
| 20:31.20 | ScytheBlade1 | it is |
| 20:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Bindings.xml is what it should be named |
| 20:31.32 | alestane | The correct filename is "Bindings.xml". |
| 20:32.20 | Mike-N-Go | Bindings.xml is what the file is called. |
| 20:32.21 | ccox | ok, they beat me to it |
| 20:32.41 | theduke | ok, second pretty noobish question (but not googlable this time (i hope.. -.-)) : |
| 20:32.41 | theduke | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.41 | theduke | I could store the time and check if 10 seconds have passed but GameTime() only returns Hours and Minutes, so that does not work... is there an event thats called every second, or every tick (so i could count up and check? can't find an approriate one on wowwiki...) |
| 20:33.08 | Mike-N-Go | theduke: I am thinking OnUpdate(). |
| 20:34.08 | ccox | Mike-N-Go: next step would be to remove parts so it resembles bindings files from other addons |
| 20:34.50 | ccox | Mike-N-Go: the first 5 examples I've found don't have a description or a runOnUp |
| 20:35.13 | Mike-N-Go | That is how I did it in my last addon, and it worked. |
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| 20:38.03 | ccox | then you're down to basic debugging - simplify until it works (removing bits), or introduce small changes to a working version til you identify the problem (adding bits) |
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| 20:46.59 | Mike-N-Go | Oh well.. I'll just use a macro to call my function until I can figure out this keybind problem. |
| 20:48.16 | jaxdahl | http://www.mogulus.com/naxx25 |
| 20:48.20 | alestane | Mike-N-Go: Have you verified that the addon is loading? |
| 20:48.22 | jaxdahl | if you want to watch a live stream of naxx |
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| 20:48.58 | Mike-N-Go | Yes, I have a print to chatframe alias, so I know the .lua file is loading. |
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| 20:51.00 | foxlit | Mike-N-Go: <?xml might not be needed |
| 20:51.40 | alestane | The xml declaration is not needed, but I haven't heard it doesn't work. Maybe they're being added somewhere else in the bindings list? |
| 20:51.48 | Mike-N-Go | I was told, by MP I think, that it was, years ago. |
| 20:52.13 | Mike-N-Go | alestane: I have looked at each binding name, do not see mine there. |
| 20:52.52 | alestane | Did you change the assignments in your .lua file to give unique descriptions to your bindings? |
| 20:54.14 | jaxdahl | we just killed faerlina the hard way |
| 20:54.17 | Mike-N-Go | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97554 is where my defs are. |
| 20:54.20 | Mike-N-Go | what* |
| 20:56.17 | alestane | According to this, your xml is not well-formed. |
| 20:57.03 | Mike-N-Go | What can one do to form it well? |
| 20:57.25 | alestane | It looks like you have to delete the blank line from the beginning. |
| 20:58.39 | alestane | "FATAL ERROR: The XML or Text declaration must start at line/column 1/1" |
| 20:59.48 | Mike-N-Go | Guess it does not like whitespace.. |
| 21:00.06 | alestane | Or at least that particular whitespace. |
| 21:03.14 | alestane | Oddly enough, if you remove the XML declaration, I suspect it'll parse fine. But since the purpose of an <?xml?> processing directive is to tell the parser that the document is indeed XML, I think it only makes sense if it's the first thing in the document. |
| 21:04.37 | alestane | Yes, it's well-formed if the declaration is absent, or if it's the first thing in the file. |
| 21:05.33 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 21:05.34 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy tightly until Peppy turns slightly blue |
| 21:05.56 | Lopeppeppy | Hiya, |Jelly| dear. Did you get my PM last night? |
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| 21:06.05 | |Jelly| | yais <3 |
| 21:06.07 | |Jelly| | Wait. |
| 21:06.08 | |Jelly| | No. |
| 21:06.14 | |Jelly| | I got the FB message. |
| 21:06.32 | Lopeppeppy | The PM was mostly the same really. *grin* |
| 21:06.44 | foxlit | Hrm, I need a markup language. |
| 21:06.56 | Lopeppeppy | lolcode! |
| 21:07.01 | |Jelly| | agree |
| 21:07.08 | foxlit | Except I can't be bothered to write anything in paragraphs. |
| 21:07.30 | foxlit | s/in/for/ |
| 21:07.41 | kd3 | heh |
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| 21:08.16 | foxlit | well, wrong in. Point is, <p> should be automatic, except for when it shouldn't. Annoying, that. |
| 21:09.09 | Mike-N-Go | I now see my key binds showing up in the menu! |
| 21:26.51 | Fisker- | it's an usb line foxlit |
| 21:26.54 | Fisker- | i'll show you later |
| 21:28.04 | Redguard | a usb* |
| 21:31.17 | foxlit | Fisker-: CHILDREN'S TRADING CARDS! |
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| 21:31.37 | Kraps | so its ok te sell your account? |
| 21:31.46 | foxlit | no |
| 21:32.37 | Kraps | someone on craigslist quotes from the EULA |
| 21:33.01 | Kraps | lol |
| 21:33.17 | Kraps | physically transferring the CD-ROM, all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation associated with the Game, and by removing from all of your home or personal computers and destroying any remaining materials concerning the Game in your possession or control, |
| 21:33.24 | Kraps | way to fail |
| 21:34.18 | Kraps | ny has 64 lisrings |
| 21:35.05 | Corrodias | well, it transfers the key and the disc |
| 21:35.10 | Corrodias | but the account is not transferrable |
| 21:35.17 | Corrodias | they have to use it on a new account |
| 21:35.32 | Corrodias | and i assume you have to get blizzard to remove the key from the old one somehow |
| 21:35.40 | Kraps | yeah, thats what i figured |
| 21:36.13 | ZorbaTHut | "You may not share the Account or the Login Information with anyone other than as expressly set forth herein." |
| 21:36.22 | ZorbaTHut | "you acknowledge and agree that you shall have no ownership or other property interest in the Account, and you further acknowledge and agree that all rights in and to the Account are and shall forever be owned by and inure to the benefit of Blizzard." |
| 21:36.31 | ZorbaTHut | so basically, you don't own it, Blizzard does, and you can't give anyone else your password. |
| 21:37.06 | ZorbaTHut | it actually says in more explicit terms that you may not sell the account later on, too - http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.shtml search for "ownership/selling" |
| 21:37.33 | Lopeppeppy | So, reading the FULL ToU/EULA is for the win in this case, not just the fun parts people want to cut out and parade around. :) |
| 21:37.38 | Kraps | i see it |
| 21:37.38 | p3lim | Hunters: Cobra Reflexes for pet, worth it? |
| 21:38.54 | Corrodias | the question does remain how you get blizzard to release the key from the old account |
| 21:39.04 | Corrodias | i suppose emailing customer service... |
| 21:39.11 | ScytheBlade1 | They won't |
| 21:39.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It is of debatable legality, what they're doing there, but they are far from the only ones |
| 21:39.44 | Corrodias | that seems... unlikely. don't they have a legal obligation to let someone sell their game? and it's useless without making the key available |
| 21:39.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 21:39.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why it's of debatable legality |
| 21:39.58 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 21:40.03 | ZorbaTHut | corrodias, I don't think they have any such legal obligation |
| 21:40.08 | Corrodias | well, i'd file suit for that, if i had any interest in buying or selling it |
| 21:40.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the trick, no one had |
| 21:40.19 | ScytheBlade1 | *has |
| 21:40.20 | Corrodias | they're under US law, ZorbaTHut |
| 21:40.23 | ZorbaTHut | they do not have a legal ability to prevent someone from selling the game box and CD |
| 21:40.33 | ZorbaTHut | that's different from a legal obligation to allow someone to access their service |
| 21:40.49 | Fisker- | So, reading the parts people want to cut out and parade around is for the win, and not just the FULL ToU/EULA |
| 21:40.53 | Fisker- | we totally agree Lopeppeppy |
| 21:40.54 | Fisker- | !111 |
| 21:40.55 | Corrodias | interesting. i'd love to see that go to court. |
| 21:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Their WoW Glider lawsuit clearly states that one is useless without the other |
| 21:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That argument doesn't hold weight against what they've already said in court |
| 21:41.28 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, it could be argued that as someone who owns the CD, you have a legal right to look at the bytes on the disc |
| 21:41.35 | ZorbaTHut | including a lot of neat artwork and 3d models |
| 21:41.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Now you're blurring the line between "what it was purchased for" and "what it's useful for" |
| 21:41.53 | ZorbaTHut | and chances are good you also have the right to install the game and connect to any other server that may exist |
| 21:42.16 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but does US law say anything about reselling something and having it still be useful for the original purpose of purchase? |
| 21:42.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 21:42.18 | Corrodias | if i'm not mistaken, using a non-blizzard server is a violation of the EULA? |
| 21:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a definite violation |
| 21:42.38 | ZorbaTHut | corrodias, it's arguable whether the EULA is legally binding, however |
| 21:42.38 | Corrodias | the license agreement; therefore illegal |
| 21:42.51 | Corrodias | so we go to court again |
| 21:43.03 | ZorbaTHut | Blizzard's is better than most in that they spell out ways to not accept it |
| 21:43.07 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want a clear answer to either, hire a lawyer. |
| 21:43.19 | ZorbaTHut | if you want a clear answer to either, get it to the supreme court |
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| 21:43.25 | ZorbaTHut | you're not getting a clear answer unless you pull that off :P |
| 21:43.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Point still stands |
| 21:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Getting one here will be a waste of time |
| 21:43.36 | Corrodias | i want to say that a judge or jury would not accept an argument that they don't have to let people sell it in a useful form |
| 21:43.51 | Corrodias | but of course, i can't be sure |
| 21:44.06 | Lopeppeppy | I'd say someone has to define "useful" in a court of law. And apply it to car insurance, or taxes, first. :) |
| 21:44.08 | Neuro_Medivh | Just remember, ownership rights in the US are not absolute |
| 21:44.31 | Neuro_Medivh | when you buy the WoW game, you are accepting a limit on your ownership |
| 21:44.47 | ZorbaTHut | corrodias, it seems very unlikely to me that a company would be legally obligated to provide a service if it didn't want to |
| 21:44.53 | Kraps | how do you guys know all this? |
| 21:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: re: in-game mail reply: no I haven't, hahahaha, that's awesome |
| 21:45.08 | Neuro_Medivh | we all watch Law and Order, so we're all legal experts! |
| 21:45.14 | Kraps | lol |
| 21:45.15 | Mikk | using a non-blizzard servers is a violation of the TOS for sure = bai real server access. that's not up for debate. |
| 21:45.26 | Mikk | whether or not they can nail you on the EULA .... i doubt they really want to test in court. |
| 21:45.28 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, intellectual properly law is sort of a hobby of mine. unfortunately it's also ridiculously complicated and uncertain :) |
| 21:45.40 | Corrodias | fuck, i'd LOVE to see this in court |
| 21:45.44 | Corrodias | anybody want to buy my game? ;P |
| 21:45.45 | Neuro_Medivh | Well, people sell products conditionally all the time |
| 21:45.58 | linear` | how do ppl even run non blizz servers |
| 21:46.03 | linear` | where did they get the server app? |
| 21:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Very carefully |
| 21:46.06 | ZorbaTHut | corrodias, sure, if you include the lawyer fees |
| 21:46.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That's all that will be said on the matter |
| 21:46.13 | Neuro_Medivh | "I'll sell you this land, but you can't put in a hardware store there" |
| 21:46.16 | ZorbaTHut | linear, there are reverse-engineered server apps that don't work very well. that's about it. |
| 21:46.24 | linear` | i see |
| 21:46.46 | ZorbaTHut | enough of the game is clientside that you can make a vaguely passable server by just trusting that the client is always right |
| 21:46.52 | ZorbaTHut | but you miss out on virtually everything interesting in the game :P |
| 21:46.58 | Kraps | Buyers Beware: This Vibe May Cause Screaming, Squirting, & Mind Altering O's |
| 21:47.03 | Kraps | *gag* |
| 21:47.13 | Kraps | spam wtfpwnsorz |
| 21:47.13 | Neuro_Medivh | wtf? |
| 21:47.21 | Tekkub | less that 1/4 of the visitors to tekkub.net are on IE |
| 21:47.25 | Tekkub | I'm so proud |
| 21:47.42 | Neuro_Medivh | that's cause we don't want you installing your trojans to steal our bacon! |
| 21:47.54 | Mikk | as for me here in .se, i just look at EULAs and go "lol" |
| 21:47.58 | Lopeppeppy | BACON! |
| 21:48.04 | Fisker- | argh |
| 21:48.07 | Lopeppeppy | WHAT'S IT SAY? I... CAN'T.... READ...!!! |
| 21:48.09 | Fisker- | i must start using tekkub.net more |
| 21:48.13 | Mikk | so much of it is completely unenforceable here |
| 21:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I made a bacon wrapped hot dog the other day. Grilled it. So much awesome. |
| 21:48.16 | Tekkub | I'm not supporting IE with my TourGuide pages.. and they look like SHIT on IE |
| 21:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, until you've had bacon flavored chocolate, and bacon ice cream, you're dead to me. :) |
| 21:48.30 | Tekkub | not going to write everything a second time for one browser |
| 21:48.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: ice cream? That's tricky |
| 21:48.50 | Fisker- | looks fine here |
| 21:48.52 | Lopeppeppy | And not always good, but damn... I had some! |
| 21:48.58 | ScytheBlade1 | How? |
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| 21:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I am intrigued |
| 21:49.23 | Fisker- | Also you're already doing it the other way around Tekkub |
| 21:49.25 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:49.26 | Lopeppeppy | By opening my mouth and eating it? |
| 21:49.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, how was it made? |
| 21:49.38 | Kraps | if you dont use questhelper, what do you use? |
| 21:49.53 | Mikk | wowhead? :P |
| 21:50.25 | Kraps | yeah, but switching back and forth would be a pain |
| 21:50.31 | Mikk | why? |
| 21:50.36 | Mikk | it's instant for me |
| 21:50.46 | Fisker- | Less wowhead/questguide addons moar quest reading |
| 21:50.52 | Mikk | hint: don't run in fullscreen. run in maximized window with borders removed. |
| 21:51.12 | Kraps | i do run windowed |
| 21:51.17 | Mikk | so then it's instant |
| 21:51.19 | Mikk | alt+tab, go |
| 21:51.21 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. ScytheBlade1, it was handed to me in a cup, I don't know the specifics except that it was home made, from real bacon and not bacos, and had a neutral sort of vanilla ish base |
| 21:51.25 | Corrodias | i always ran in regular windowed mode. it annoyed me when they fucked up the border calculation. |
| 21:51.29 | Fisker- | 1 Lopeppeppy 1 cup |
| 21:51.32 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 21:51.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's all sorts of awesome |
| 21:52.02 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, don't need to go there, that's even more rude than your normal. |
| 21:52.12 | Kraps | ... |
| 21:52.38 | linear` | i wish running wow in windowed mode with vista didnt rape fps |
| 21:52.39 | Kraps | i got shadowred longblade yesterday! |
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| 21:52.51 | Kraps | shadowrend |
| 21:53.01 | Corrodias | i wish running ... vista didn't rape ... |
| 21:53.28 | Corrodias | remove a few words and it all becomes even truer! |
| 21:53.28 | Tekkub | windowed+max works fine on vista for me |
| 21:54.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: the choclate I can see, the ice cream... still intrigued by that |
| 21:54.21 | Kraps | i'm sure i installed wowhead's client, but i cant find it |
| 21:55.36 | Kraps | and my last and current helm look like crap |
| 21:55.54 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/1000e2d1fb0bf23df401103527c0fe4148b4aeaf/plug-n-play-zone-ubuntu.jpg |
| 21:56.37 | Kraps | windowed+fs is cool |
| 21:56.57 | Tekkub | I love people that write on walls |
| 21:59.04 | Kraps | ima go see how quickly i can rape deadmines now |
| 21:59.28 | selckin | same speed as any other time |
| 21:59.29 | selckin | runspeed |
| 21:59.39 | Kraps | lol |
| 22:02.15 | Fisker- | wtf Kaso ? |
| 22:02.38 | Kaso | Just saw it in posted and found it cool/amusing |
| 22:02.44 | ScytheBlade1 | PXE installations |
| 22:02.46 | Fisker- | also looks cardboard to me Tekkub >:3 |
| 22:02.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty easy to do |
| 22:02.53 | Fisker- | duh ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:03.04 | Fisker- | I was wondering why anyone would make such a thing |
| 22:03.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Because they think that Ubuntu is the operating system sent from and made by the gods |
| 22:03.54 | Kaso | the ubuntu guys do seem more obsessive than any other linuxy guys |
| 22:04.13 | Fisker- | Reminds me of the school i was on |
| 22:04.21 | Fisker- | "zomg tis is teh haxorz cd" |
| 22:04.22 | Kaso | but i cant complain, theyve helped make some large strides in progress |
| 22:04.30 | cbreak | lfs |
| 22:04.31 | Fisker- | Then it boots up ubuntu with some net-utils for network monitoring etc. |
| 22:04.35 | Fisker- | *rolleyes* |
| 22:04.53 | foxlit | Second thought: how do we hack that to install windows? |
| 22:04.54 | cbreak | backtrack? |
| 22:05.01 | Fisker- | RIS! |
| 22:05.03 | Kaso | heh |
| 22:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | RIS indeed |
| 22:05.30 | ScytheBlade1 | WDS rather |
| 22:05.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Or you go custom WinPE |
| 22:05.39 | Kraps | i read that it makes a difference in whirlwinds depending on how fast or slow your weap is |
| 22:05.52 | Kraps | true? |
| 22:06.02 | Fisker- | Well WDS didn't exist when i did my stuff :P |
| 22:06.05 | jaxdahl | 79.1% avoidance on patchwerk |
| 22:06.14 | Kaso | And how much would WDS end up costing ;p |
| 22:06.40 | jaxdahl | 15.8% miss 28.6% dodge 34.7% parry |
| 22:06.43 | ScytheBlade1 | $0 itself |
| 22:06.52 | ScytheBlade1 | $500 for the Server 2003/2008 license |
| 22:06.52 | Kraps | yeah, whats the big deal about patchwerk? |
| 22:07.09 | jaxdahl | Kraps, easy fight to compare with other times you've done it before |
| 22:07.22 | Kraps | ? |
| 22:07.25 | kd3 | rofl... "Ah, good. There's nothing like the smell of roasted putrid flesh in the morning. That's the smell of victory over the Scourge." |
| 22:07.35 | Kaso | how much for the xp/vista volume licence? |
| 22:07.46 | ScytheBlade1 | really depends on how you get them |
| 22:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | There are a lot of ways to license windows |
| 22:08.23 | cbreak | how unusual. Windows users actually considering paying for licenses :) |
| 22:10.46 | jaxdahl | if i have 2 files, A and B, all of A is contained within B, how do i pull the lines in B that aren't in A? |
| 22:10.51 | jaxdahl | order must remain the same |
| 22:12.03 | Kaso | I think the anwser involves diff somehow |
| 22:12.11 | cbreak | diff is a good bet |
| 22:12.16 | cbreak | if the order of the lines is the same |
| 22:13.51 | jaxdahl | yeah not sure what options i need to use, man is confusing |
| 22:14.14 | cbreak | diff A B |
| 22:15.27 | jaxdahl | i don't want the '>' |
| 22:19.02 | cbreak | you can sed it away |
| 22:19.23 | cbreak | diff A B | sec 's/>//' I guess |
| 22:19.58 | cbreak | sed instead of sec of course |
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| 22:25.34 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10874178080&sid=2000 <-lol |
| 22:26.35 | Corrodias | the... Penis Mark of the Illidari? |
| 22:26.54 | jaxdahl | i used diff -e |
| 22:26.58 | jaxdahl | and removed the first and last line |
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| 22:28.02 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 22:28.24 | Ose | no u |
| 22:31.22 | Fisker- | people getting banned from the beta = lulz |
| 22:31.39 | Fisker- | Would be funny if they did on the eu servers as well :D |
| 22:32.36 | Corrodias | so here i am thinking about a 64-bit OS, because i might want more than 3gb of ram in my next computer. are they decently usable for gaming, yet? |
| 22:33.06 | Fisker- | It's 4GB and i know of no performance issues as such |
| 22:33.48 | Corrodias | it's 3gb because a significant portion of the address space is reserved, for other devices |
| 22:34.05 | Corrodias | that is, it usually ends up being little more than 3gb as i recall |
| 22:34.13 | Fisker- | Which is relevant to the devices attached |
| 22:34.18 | Corrodias | yeah :( |
| 22:34.22 | Fisker- | Which could be pretty much anything ranging from 0-4GB |
| 22:34.27 | Fisker- | Thus, 4GB limit, not 3GB |
| 22:34.30 | Corrodias | well, i do plan to have a video card |
| 22:34.39 | Corrodias | so it's definitely not going to be a full 4gb |
| 22:37.02 | ZorbaTHut | corrodias, I've been using xp64 pretty much since it was released |
| 22:37.09 | ZorbaTHut | I had minor issues very early on and no problems since then |
| 22:37.16 | Corrodias | treats you well, huh? :) |
| 22:37.24 | ZorbaTHut | yup. 8gb of RAM too ;) |
| 22:37.33 | Corrodias | guess i'll aim high |
| 22:38.11 | Fisker- | Think i'll be getting 24GB of ram |
| 22:38.41 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, whatcha gonna use it for? |
| 22:38.45 | Corrodias | well, if it's useful to you, go for it. RAM access slows down slightly as you add more, so once you get past the point that your computer isn't using it, it just makes things worse |
| 22:38.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ZorbaTHut: in his case, porn probably |
| 22:39.07 | ZorbaTHut | in RAM? |
| 22:39.14 | Corrodias | porn is better served by cpu usually |
| 22:39.15 | ScytheBlade1 | sure? |
| 22:39.31 | Corrodias | some porn games need a decent chunk of ram, but even then not nearly that much |
| 22:39.35 | ZorbaTHut | I guess if you need extremely fast random porn access, but |
| 22:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I was thinking storage |
| 22:39.49 | ZorbaTHut | that's what hard drive is for |
| 22:39.50 | Corrodias | copy your porn to a RAM drive on startup? that's an idea |
| 22:39.50 | Fisker- | i got 2 1TB drives for porn |
| 22:39.52 | ZorbaTHut | you don't want volatile porn |
| 22:40.03 | Fisker- | maybe i do? |
| 22:40.03 | amro | or maybe you do, depends |
| 22:40.17 | Corrodias | depends? adult diapers are not my fetish |
| 22:40.18 | Fisker- | i like where this is going |
| 22:40.42 | amro | i don't >< |
| 22:41.06 | Fisker- | but i has webcam |
| 22:41.19 | Fisker- | y helo thar |
| 22:42.00 | Fisker- | http://www.giantbomb.com/news/oh-snap-cc-red-alert-3-hands-on/326/ <-btw i wonder how much Microsoft paid for that |
| 22:42.08 | Fisker- | just listen to the intro in the movie :D |
| 22:42.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ARGH |
| 22:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That makes me want to buy it :( |
| 22:43.41 | Fisker- | "We're here with PC's, doing PC demos, with these guys making a PC game" made you want to buy it? :P |
| 22:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Reading the article did :P |
| 22:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't watch the video |
| 22:44.19 | Fisker- | I'm a PC, and i've been made into a troll |
| 22:44.19 | Fisker- | :( |
| 22:44.28 | AnduinLothar | the interviewer mainly does console reviews |
| 22:44.44 | AnduinLothar | which is why he was emphasizing PC |
| 22:45.03 | Corrodias | i'm very bad with RTS games. i'm not going to watch it. :( |
| 22:45.21 | Fisker- | Red Alert 3 is coming for Xbox 360 though |
| 22:45.29 | Fisker- | But not PS3 as it sucks |
| 22:45.41 | amro | RTS on console = ew |
| 22:45.47 | amro | PC or GTFO |
| 22:47.11 | Jinivus | ^ |
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| 23:01.51 | selckin | anyone have a recent beta naxx combatlog? |
| 23:01.57 | selckin | lvl 80 |
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| 23:03.44 | Iriel | RedRange updated for 3.0 |
| 23:03.53 | Tekkub | OMG IRIEL IS SLOW |
| 23:03.59 | Iriel | VERY SLOW |
| 23:04.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:04.16 | Tekkub | Iriel, WTB DoubleWide Tradeskillz |
| 23:04.21 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.00 | Stanzilla | ^agree |
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| 23:12.47 | Shirik | hi Iriel |
| 23:13.25 | Legorol | morning |
| 23:13.42 | Legorol | I got to share this: Vashj down, omg, bbq, and so on. |
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| 23:13.52 | Corrodias | congrats |
| 23:13.54 | cbreak | grats :) |
| 23:14.05 | Legorol | this raid was strange |
| 23:14.14 | Legorol | we totally sucked, barely making it to P3 on a couple tries |
| 23:14.16 | Shirik | and hi Zootfizzle |
| 23:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, Zoot is here? |
| 23:14.30 | Legorol | then before we quit for the night, we had one final 110%-focus try |
| 23:14.38 | ScytheBlade1 | When did that ninja join? |
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| 23:14.48 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 23:14.58 | Shirik | I assume sometime around when this message appeared: (05:02:51) - Join: Zootfizzle (n=z00t@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Zooty-Zoot-Zoot) |
| 23:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, 5:00 *AM* |
| 23:16.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains a bit |
| 23:25.10 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2916926574/ |
| 23:25.12 | Tekkub | *grin* |
| 23:26.00 | Tekkub | sidebar guide list is still ugly, that's next thing I'm fixing |
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| 23:36.09 | Mike-N-Go | Hello. I am having some trouble. My mod, AdMod, does not show what I define for the name of the key binds. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97564 is my code and the part where I define the bindings' text. |
| 23:37.08 | Mike-N-Go | I do not know why it shows the name of the var and not the string that I declare in the .lua for it to be. |
| 23:41.00 | Kaso | remove the BINDING_ bit when defining in your xml file |
| 23:41.00 | Kaso | iirc |
| 23:41.25 | Arrowmaster | remove the BINDING_HEADER_ actually |
| 23:42.05 | Kaso | ah, there you go ^ |
| 23:42.19 | Iriel | What does your XML look like? |
| 23:42.30 | Iriel | Ah yes, what Arrow said |
| 23:42.48 | Iriel | You want 'ADMOD_GREET' and 'ADMOD" as name and header |
| 23:43.05 | Mike-N-Go | My XML is in the link http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97564 |
| 23:43.41 | Stanzilla | Iriel: DoubleWide Tradeskills? maybe? some day? :P |
| 23:43.52 | Iriel | maybe someday 8-) |
| 23:43.58 | Stanzilla | k :) |
| 23:44.07 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, so that is what I was doing wrong. Thanks. |
| 23:44.31 | Kaso | that always struck me as wierd behavour |
| 23:45.22 | Kaso | definately not what you would intuatively expect it to behave like |
| 23:50.49 | Shirik | Anyone know wtf this is (from wireshark)? |
| 23:51.13 | Shirik | 20.000196fe80::5dc7:b057:6254:de3cff02::cSSDPNOTIFY * HTTP/1.1 |
| 23:51.15 | Shirik | er |
| 23:51.17 | Shirik | that didn't come out well |
| 23:51.32 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: UPnP |
| 23:51.33 | ScytheBlade1 | An IPv6 link-local broadcast |
| 23:51.58 | Shirik | UPnP? Seems a bit excessive... |
| 23:52.13 | ScytheBlade1 | What is excessive? |
| 23:53.17 | Shirik | just seems there's a ton of traffic and no changes to the network |
| 23:53.36 | Arrowmaster | should only do some shit every few minutes |
| 23:53.52 | Arrowmaster | but ive only ever seen it with ipv4 and not ipv6 |
| 23:53.54 | Shirik | maybe it was just coincidence then |
| 23:54.02 | Shirik | it was literally instantly when I started capturing |
| 23:54.07 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 23:54.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I can tell, by the timestamp ;) |
| 23:54.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah it does it in little bursts every few minutes |
| 23:54.39 | Arrowmaster | why is it like every 10 or 20 minutes? |
| 23:54.49 | Arrowmaster | dont really know the details |
| 23:55.23 | Jinivus | Hmmmm |
| 23:55.45 | Mike-N-Go | Another question. What is the description var in the Bindings.xml do? |
| 23:55.56 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Yeah, 0.000196? |
| 23:55.56 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:56.14 | ScytheBlade1 | yup ;) |
| 23:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: in any case, IPv6 addresses starting with fe80 are link local only.. won't be routed. Likewise you know that it'd be somewhere "near" you |
| 23:57.43 | Shirik | I would like to know what 02::c is |
| 23:58.15 | Shirik | ff02::c * |
