| 00:09.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 00:09.36 | NightHawkTheSane | neil gaiman is doing a reading in seattle.. about 20some minutes from me. |
| 00:09.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i.. ought to go.. |
| 00:10.02 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, you should. |
| 00:10.11 | Lopeppeppy | 20 minutes is like... a present from god or something. |
| 00:10.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
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| 00:17.58 | Fogger | Anyone got any suggestions for how I would find a mob on Live that casts a stackable debuff? I found one in Borean Tundra that I've been testing with, but cant wait for the beta realm to come back up. |
| 00:18.30 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm... I think the scorpids can stack their poisons, but I'm not 100% on that one. |
| 00:18.45 | Keias | Yeah |
| 00:18.55 | Keias | Worms can stack the armor reducing debuff also |
| 00:18.59 | Keias | But those are exotic |
| 00:19.44 | Keias | theres some in Shadowmoon |
| 00:19.59 | NightHawkTheSane | there are scorpids in Silithus that i know have a stacking poison debuff |
| 00:20.09 | Keias | Yeah |
| 00:20.23 | Fogger | I'll take what I can get, but I'd prefer them to be close to a city :D |
| 00:20.36 | Keias | hrm |
| 00:20.38 | NightHawkTheSane | thats the only thing i can remember off the top of my head, sorry |
| 00:20.47 | Kaso | ru |
| 00:20.52 | Fogger | hey, its all good, thanks! :) |
| 00:20.53 | Keias | What faction are you? |
| 00:20.57 | Fogger | alliance |
| 00:21.00 | Lopeppeppy | Duel a rogue |
| 00:21.23 | Fogger | yeah, been testing with warriors sunders & palas holy vengeance, but it takes too much time |
| 00:21.36 | Keias | ouch |
| 00:21.39 | Keias | umm |
| 00:21.57 | Keias | theres some in blastlands if you wanna fly to nethergarde |
| 00:22.02 | Keias | blasted* |
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| 00:22.23 | Keias | Thats probably the closest to any alliance cities |
| 00:22.27 | Fogger | yeah, that would be good |
| 00:22.40 | Fogger | omw to BL |
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| 00:30.10 | Legorol | CE preordered on two sites, I should be safe.. |
| 00:31.14 | NightHawkTheSane | were those two statements related? >.> |
| 00:31.20 | Legorol | lol no |
| 00:31.22 | Legorol | Case in point: random raider leaves our guild because we are not good enough for him. His new "hardcore" guild flops |
| 00:31.43 | Legorol | He contemplates coming back to us, joins another guild on a whim, doesn't like it/doesn't work, decides to come back to us. |
| 00:31.56 | Legorol | Mind you, came back on an alt, undergeared |
| 00:31.58 | cbreak | and you happen to be full? :) |
| 00:32.11 | Lopeppeppy | I sure would be. |
| 00:32.11 | Legorol | On his 3rd? 4th? raid or so since he is back, we have a raid where the dkp rules don't favour him |
| 00:32.23 | Legorol | and he has a problem with the system |
| 00:32.42 | Legorol | i was this >>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<< close to a gkick |
| 00:33.37 | Legorol | It's not enough for him that we take him back, on an alt no less, he has to whine when he can't get loot on his 3rd raid |
| 00:33.45 | Legorol | garrr |
| 00:35.01 | Lopeppeppy | Life is too short to waste on whiners. *hug* |
| 00:35.54 | cbreak | so he doesn't have the gear, nor the character to warrant him being in the guild? :/ |
| 00:38.53 | Fogger | Venom Sting from Scorpids does stack, but they apply it very slowly, and it lasts a bit too long, better than nothing like. |
| 00:39.11 | Fogger | The ideal thing about Beryl Treasure Hunters in Borean Tundra was that when they aggro, the first thing they always do is start casting "Focused" on you, upto 5 stacks. then it fades quite quick, like 10secs or so, then repeat. |
| 00:48.14 | Fogger | Actually, I'm just being a brat, this will work fine! :) |
| 00:49.32 | NeoTron | http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0000000000000000000000000003200535033502012301005001351230230005003000000000000000000 frost/unholy DW build. wonder how that'll work out |
| 00:51.14 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: i like that. although as frost, i like the 9% crit on oblit you'd get from subveersion |
| 00:51.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i also like picking up deathchill, cause it's only one point.. but i guess for a pure raid build thats no big deal |
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| 00:52.10 | NightHawkTheSane | coures, im also note real fond of Hungering cold |
| 00:52.21 | kd3 | geez, again with the bigger PTR patch than beta |
| 00:52.38 | NightHawkTheSane | wasn't that due to esMX locale last time? |
| 00:54.03 | Esine | so is beta == ptr + northrend? |
| 00:54.12 | kd3 | ya |
| 00:54.15 | NightHawkTheSane | more or less |
| 00:54.16 | Esine | yeah, ok. |
| 00:54.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i think a lot of the northrend data is being pushed with the ptr thoough |
| 00:55.08 | Esine | oh |
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| 01:16.29 | kd3 | oh gah. 5 hours after changing out of work clothes and I'm just now noticing that I put pants on instead of shorts because it was too cold last night |
| 01:16.36 | kd3 | where the hell is my head this evening? |
| 01:18.51 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/hdtach5.png moral of the story is to put your RAID 0 drives on separate ports, not separate subports |
| 01:19.06 | jaxdahl | oops, wrong channel |
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| 01:19.51 | linear` | is there a way to figure out if a buff or debuff is your own when using UnitBuff |
| 01:19.58 | linear` | on beta it returns a duration for all of them |
| 01:20.14 | kd3 | isn't one of the returns a bool for "mine"? |
| 01:20.14 | linear` | which is really annoying because i only want to see durations on my own debuffs/buffs |
| 01:20.25 | kd3 | I know the UI will show the buffs/debuffs bigger if you cast them |
| 01:20.37 | kd3 | s/UI/default UI/ |
| 01:21.12 | linear` | does it? |
| 01:21.15 | linear` | do u know what arg mine is |
| 01:22.07 | kd3 | neg. it should be in the unitframe code. sec while I look |
| 01:22.07 | linear` | o |
| 01:22.07 | linear` | i can just use unitaura |
| 01:22.10 | linear` | 8th arg is ismine |
| 01:22.17 | kd3 | name, rank, icon, count, debuffType, duration, expirationTime, isMine, isStealable = UnitBuff("target", i); |
| 01:22.33 | linear` | k thanks |
| 01:22.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet it's also in the 3.0 changes thread. *cough* |
| 01:22.55 | linear` | i was lookin on wowwiki =p |
| 01:26.16 | kd3 | aight, wiki's been updated |
| 01:27.03 | jaxdahl | servers aren't up yet are they? i haven't patched |
| 01:27.22 | kd3 | patch out. servers not expected up for 90 minutes at minimum |
| 01:27.40 | jaxdahl | yea i have had the patch on my hdd for a while |
| 01:28.06 | jaxdahl | been putting my raptors through the paces |
| 01:29.07 | kd3 | ooh, clannad after story's finally airing |
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| 01:33.11 | Legorol | jeeze, *another* patch? |
| 01:33.13 | Legorol | what is it this time |
| 01:33.35 | jaxdahl | 9038 |
| 01:33.39 | jaxdahl | 12.9mb |
| 01:33.49 | Legorol | yeah yeah, what's in it |
| 01:34.05 | jaxdahl | http://www.mmo-champion.com |
| 01:34.30 | jaxdahl | 97 seconds to patch. |
| 01:36.02 | jaxdahl | icy touch less overpowered now |
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| 01:36.13 | Amarande | PTR down? |
| 01:36.18 | ScytheBlade1 | As is beta |
| 01:36.18 | jaxdahl | yes |
| 01:36.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Being patched |
| 01:36.33 | jaxdahl | wonder how much of those dk changes were in the last beta |
| 01:36.38 | jaxdahl | last build, rather |
| 01:36.46 | jaxdahl | a lot of the tooltips didn't get updated, but some changes made it in |
| 01:36.53 | cbreak | maybe mages get their deep freeze back |
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| 01:41.39 | Tem|afk | woth |
| 01:41.41 | Tem|afk | woah |
| 01:41.44 | Tem|afk | nice buffs to frost |
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| 01:42.05 | Tem|afk | nice buffs to tanking in general |
| 01:42.17 | Tem|afk | making me glad I already spec frost for tanking |
| 01:44.44 | cbreak | dk frost? :(( |
| 01:47.39 | Legorol | Is there an EU user here who uses PTR? |
| 01:47.45 | Legorol | I don't mean beta |
| 01:47.52 | Legorol | What is the EU PTR realm called? |
| 01:50.39 | Tem|afk | Coldara? |
| 01:50.42 | Tem|afk | or is that beta? |
| 01:50.59 | kd3 | that's beta. ptr should be "Test Server EU PvE" or something similar |
| 01:52.14 | jaxdahl | tem, most of those buffs were in the last build |
| 01:52.26 | jaxdahl | not sure about the increase to frost damage though |
| 01:52.34 | Tem|afk | it wasn't |
| 01:52.37 | jaxdahl | from black ice. |
| 01:52.48 | Tem|afk | I'm mostly talking about black ice and the extra expertise |
| 01:52.53 | jaxdahl | blade barrier, frost strike, rune strike changes were in |
| 01:53.02 | jaxdahl | where's the expertise change? |
| 01:53.06 | Tem|afk | the armor change wasn't in either |
| 01:53.20 | Tem|afk | double expertise from tundra stalker |
| 01:53.46 | jaxdahl | hmm, not on mmo-champ? |
| 01:53.50 | |Jelly| | "please pst me" <-- Am I the only person that this bothers? |
| 01:54.11 | jaxdahl | |Jelly|, please pst me for cyber |
| 01:54.19 | kd3 | does the phrase "ATM machine" bother you? |
| 01:54.32 | |Jelly| | Yes. |
| 01:54.35 | Tem|afk | 65% bonus armor on frose presence |
| 01:54.42 | kd3 | then, no. you're not the only one bothered by that |
| 01:54.43 | jaxdahl | please to be sending me pst to tell me stuff |
| 01:54.52 | jaxdahl | Tem|afk, perfect |
| 01:54.58 | Tem|afk | frost* |
| 01:55.00 | Tem|afk | agreed |
| 01:55.01 | |Jelly| | kd3: <3 |
| 01:55.03 | jaxdahl | that's sounds like the right amount |
| 01:55.03 | Tem|afk | more armor = awesome |
| 01:55.18 | jaxdahl | i'm going to have to try DW too |
| 01:55.22 | jaxdahl | with the buff to BCB |
| 01:55.33 | Tem|afk | screw DW |
| 01:55.45 | jaxdahl | i'm going to have like 35 expertise |
| 01:56.48 | Tem|afk | I'm going to have enough expertise |
| 01:57.25 | Tem|afk | I think I should spec blood |
| 01:57.25 | jaxdahl | i should be running with 27-28k armor now |
| 01:57.36 | Tem|afk | even though I like frost and unholy more |
| 01:57.42 | jaxdahl | about 2-3k increase |
| 01:57.47 | Tem|afk | it feels like they don't know what to do with em |
| 01:58.20 | jaxdahl | i think some of the better arena teams may end up running blood DKs |
| 01:58.31 | jaxdahl | it depends though |
| 01:58.34 | jaxdahl | comps and counter-comps |
| 01:58.54 | jaxdahl | mark of blood, vamp, abom |
| 01:59.04 | jaxdahl | heart strike |
| 01:59.14 | Legorol | what is a "comp" |
| 01:59.20 | jaxdahl | composition |
| 01:59.29 | Legorol | (i was once told there is no stupid question, only stupid answer) |
| 01:59.30 | Tem|afk | mark of blood poops on rogues |
| 01:59.33 | jaxdahl | ie, team composition |
| 01:59.38 | Legorol | aha |
| 01:59.40 | Tem|afk | and anything that poops on rogues makes me smiles |
| 01:59.46 | jaxdahl | and you have a composition to counter a popular comp |
| 01:59.56 | jaxdahl | and a counter-counter-comp |
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| 02:00.06 | Legorol | mm, like back in the days when i used to play Magic: the Gathering |
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| 02:03.27 | Shirik | We have determined that webpages are difficult to navigate with only a keyboard, especially espn.com |
| 02:03.33 | Shirik | especially when you have a popup blocker and you need the popup |
| 02:03.42 | kd3 | oof. fail |
| 02:04.02 | Shirik | apparently our team decided to install new computers in our lab, but felt we only needed one mouse across the 4 |
| 02:04.12 | |pez| | ... |
| 02:04.13 | Legorol | Shirik: have you tried to use the accessibility version of the page |
| 02:04.20 | Legorol | rofl |
| 02:04.23 | Shirik | negative >< |
| 02:06.41 | cbreak | tried elinks? |
| 02:06.52 | cbreak | it's supposed to be keyboard friendly |
| 02:07.06 | jaxdahl | hit f6? |
| 02:07.09 | jaxdahl | are you using firefox? |
| 02:07.26 | Shirik | HA! |
| 02:07.28 | Shirik | Are you serious? |
| 02:07.29 | jaxdahl | er, f7 |
| 02:07.32 | Shirik | Mechanical engineers set up these computers |
| 02:07.39 | Shirik | You think they got rid of Microsoft's crap? |
| 02:07.43 | Shirik | no, it uses IE |
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| 02:08.58 | Arrowmaster | i thought there was some keyboard setting to use the numpad arrows (with numlock off) to move the mouse |
| 02:09.26 | Arrowmaster | that might have been really old windows though |
| 02:15.09 | jaxdahl | it's still around |
| 02:15.14 | jaxdahl | alt+lShift+numlock |
| 02:15.37 | jaxdahl | older versions of windows, hit numlock 5 times to activate, i think |
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| 02:20.20 | |pez| | ... what is it with people not reading the errors their getting, entering supportchannels and asking every stupid question they can? ... Without actually reading the error they're getting. |
| 02:21.50 | |pez| | Sort of like saying "It's broken, fix it" "but what's wrong?" "I don't know, just fix it!" |
| 02:22.32 | Dewin | I don't know what's wrong, you're supposed to tell me |
| 02:22.58 | kd3 | hoo boy... glad I'm not beta testing the kernel |
| 02:23.06 | kd3 | bricking both of my NICs would've been nasty |
| 02:23.11 | |pez| | I tried, but the person didn't actually know what the hell I was talking about. -__- |
| 02:23.21 | Dewin | wow, ouch. |
| 02:23.35 | |pez| | "did you actually see if the file was there?" "what file?" "... the file the error is saying it's not finding..." |
| 02:25.07 | |pez| | anyway... goodnight. :P |
| 02:25.50 | Mikk | I love how someone though they'd save money there |
| 02:25.53 | Mikk | One mouse for 4 computer indeed |
| 02:26.12 | Mikk | You need to go look for it about once and move it to your computer before it becomes more economically sound to just by 4 mice |
| 02:26.30 | Mikk | Nah ok not quite. But only a handful of times. |
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| 02:27.55 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 02:27.57 | kd3 | join/part spam? |
| 02:27.57 | Anaral | net split, would be my guess |
| 02:27.57 | Gnarfoz | yeah, netsplit |
| 02:28.12 | smcn | yes sir and/or madam |
| 02:28.12 | jaxdahl | (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 02:28.18 | Gnarfoz | you can't see which servers actually split... |
| 02:28.18 | Dewin | (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
| 02:28.20 | Dewin | is what I got. |
| 02:28.26 | kd3 | bah. I've got joins/parts/quits turned off. all I saw was shiibot's lockdown mode |
| 02:28.30 | Gnarfoz | it only ever tells you your's and the hub. |
| 02:28.38 | Gnarfoz | *yours |
| 02:29.20 | Dewin | I always thought it was the two servers on either ends of the split, but I guess not |
| 02:29.56 | jaxdahl | depends on the network setup sometimes |
| 02:30.05 | jaxdahl | efnet splits are accurate, i tink |
| 02:30.07 | jaxdahl | think |
| 02:30.37 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.45 | Mikk | so... it'd appear irc.freenode.net took a nosedive |
| 02:31.11 | Gnarfoz | irc.freenode.net is the loadbalancer |
| 02:31.17 | Gnarfoz | or RR host name |
| 02:31.36 | Mikk | huphfs this is true |
| 02:31.37 | Gnarfoz | I doubt there's clients on there ;) |
| 02:31.48 | Mikk | yeah ignore what i said |
| 02:32.14 | Mikk | DNS RR ... but i wonder why it even shows up. i guess they've all put "irc.freenode.net" as in-addrs |
| 02:32.24 | Mikk | which is correct and fluky at the same time |
| 02:33.44 | jaxdahl | ie, i'm on calvino.freenode.net |
| 02:34.15 | jaxdahl | and i assume every other leaf appears to calvino as irc.freenode.net |
| 02:34.37 | jaxdahl | so when one of the other leafs splits, it appears to be a split with irc.freenode.net |
| 02:34.53 | Gnarfoz | possible |
| 02:35.01 | jaxdahl | irc.freenode.net masks the origin |
| 02:35.09 | Mikk | aeuhmmm |
| 02:35.38 | Mikk | it's more likely that they rev lookup the IP address of the connection that failed... and the first returned in-addr happens to be "irc.freenode.net" |
| 02:35.54 | Mikk | i mean... at config time, i betcha they put in real names of what servers they peer with :P |
| 02:36.05 | Mikk | not just "irc.freenode.net" and ffa packetlooping =) |
| 02:36.15 | kd3 | whee, a new keylogger acting like a youtube page |
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| 02:36.58 | kd3 | spoofing the IE "Additional plugins are required" prompt at the top of the page, wow |
| 02:37.24 | Mikk | they COULD of course also have done what I was halfways doing a long time ago, and run the ircd on top of a cloud layer that flood fills a many-to-many network with timestamped packets |
| 02:37.28 | Mikk | 100% redundancy ftw |
| 02:37.46 | Mikk | (results of THAT would be a lot of talking to e.g. 127.0.0.1) |
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| 02:40.05 | smcn | PTR up |
| 02:40.36 | kd3 | and only the ptr... |
| 02:40.42 | kd3 | that's annoying |
| 02:40.42 | smcn | beta up |
| 02:40.44 | kd3 | ah, there's beta |
| 02:44.04 | Tem|afk | oh wow |
| 02:44.12 | Tem|afk | aparently whoever banned me from the forums used the post nuke |
| 02:44.21 | Tem|afk | that actually kind of bothers me |
| 02:44.30 | Mikk | er which forums are those? |
| 02:44.33 | Tem|afk | beta |
| 02:44.37 | Mikk | ow |
| 02:44.53 | Tem|afk | aparently poking fun at the idiots make 77 threads about wandering plague was "trolling" |
| 02:44.53 | jaxdahl | arggh |
| 02:44.59 | jaxdahl | UI scale ALWAYS resets |
| 02:45.04 | Tem|afk | ooh servers? |
| 02:45.16 | Corrodias | it resets to spite you |
| 02:45.31 | Corrodias | you are a bitter person! whose UI won't stay scaled! |
| 02:45.49 | Dewin | I once scaled many a UI in my day... |
| 02:46.01 | leethal | pfft since when were the guys at throne of elements pvp guards? >< |
| 02:46.09 | smcn | yay, jormuttar is so fat fixed |
| 02:46.11 | Mikk | This is when you notice if your addon devs know how to save window positions correctly |
| 02:46.27 | Corrodias | well Tem, i'm tempted to say you're better off >_> |
| 02:46.27 | Mikk | Or if everything goes arglebargle when you scale it back |
| 02:46.32 | Dewin | Progression's does! :) |
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| 02:46.41 | Dewin | One of the few things I thought of when I wrote that. |
| 02:46.46 | Mikk | everything using WindowLib does |
| 02:46.52 | Mikk | too bad i made the bugger ace2 :S |
| 02:47.17 | Tem|afk | good plan |
| 02:47.19 | Dewin | I normalize positioning to values between 0.0 and 1.0 |
| 02:47.33 | Dewin | so if your UI scale or screen res changes it won't blow up |
| 02:47.34 | jaxdahl | tem |
| 02:47.36 | jaxdahl | 60% bonus |
| 02:47.37 | Mikk | Do you compute the nearest corner? |
| 02:47.39 | jaxdahl | to armor |
| 02:47.41 | Tem|afk | blah |
| 02:47.43 | Tem|afk | not 65 |
| 02:47.46 | Tem|afk | oh well |
| 02:47.47 | Mikk | It sounds to me that you're doing exactly what one does not want to do |
| 02:47.48 | Tem|afk | still a buff |
| 02:47.54 | Dewin | Mikk: Howso? |
| 02:48.08 | Tem|afk | uh |
| 02:48.10 | Mikk | Imagine every window doing that |
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| 02:48.15 | Mikk | Staying in the same place, that is |
| 02:48.17 | Tem|afk | why do I have less armor than I did before the patch? |
| 02:48.28 | Mikk | You drag them so they're edge-to-edge |
| 02:48.35 | Mikk | Now you make everything a bit bigger |
| 02:48.38 | Dewin | My stuff doesn't anchor to a given corner atm. |
| 02:48.40 | Mikk | Tadaa, all your windows now overlap |
| 02:48.48 | Dewin | And it's only the original x/y of the base frame that's stored that way |
| 02:48.49 | Mikk | ^ Very very annoying |
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| 02:49.15 | Legorol | Cry, my guild just found out that if patch hits on 14th, we can't get Hand of A'dal |
| 02:49.16 | Dewin | My goal was to stop stuff from being rendered offscreen if you dropped your screen resolution |
| 02:49.26 | Dewin | Why not? |
| 02:49.31 | Legorol | that's really said, we've been doing really good, Vashj will die soon and we are on to Kael soon |
| 02:49.44 | Dewin | I thought that wasn't being pulled until after WOTLK came out. |
| 02:49.45 | Legorol | Dewin: Blizz announced that Hand of A'dal will be unobtainable with patch 3.0, not with wotlk |
| 02:49.50 | Dewin | ouch. |
| 02:49.52 | Tem|afk | OH |
| 02:49.57 | Amarande | Legorol: time to hire a T6 guild to give you a run so you can finish your title? |
| 02:50.00 | Legorol | means one month less time to get it |
| 02:50.01 | Tem|afk | I have less armor because I haven't retalented |
| 02:50.10 | Shirik | he's supposed to ignore netsplits, unfortunately he doesn't |
| 02:50.11 | Legorol | Amarande: that defeats the purpose |
| 02:50.22 | Legorol | It's not the title that matters, it's the getting the title with the guild |
| 02:50.30 | Amarande | Mikk: that depends on when one started |
| 02:50.38 | Legorol | Mikk: shoe, you troll |
| 02:50.38 | Dewin | lol, I think my hunter has gone through at least 3 PTR patches without me getting around to retalenting him |
| 02:50.42 | jaxdahl | tem |
| 02:50.45 | jaxdahl | i'm only getting 45% |
| 02:50.46 | Amarande | are you saying that a player who starts TBC now, no matter how good they are at the game, shall ever more be considered to suck at TBC? :| |
| 02:50.47 | Mikk | Oh, I think Lego has been with us since at least open beta or so ;) |
| 02:50.48 | Legorol | many a guilds have skipped Vashj/Kael for greener T6 |
| 02:50.53 | Tem|afk | jaxdahl, I'm getting less |
| 02:51.20 | Legorol | Mikk: my length of stay in WoWland has nothing to do with my guild's progression |
| 02:51.25 | Legorol | rofl Mikk |
| 02:51.28 | Kalroth | aw |
| 02:51.29 | jaxdahl | 5/5 toughness |
| 02:51.34 | Kalroth | poor Lego |
| 02:51.39 | jaxdahl | let me kill my spec |
| 02:51.40 | Legorol | it's true |
| 02:51.47 | Legorol | i mean i haven't touched wowwiki in years |
| 02:51.59 | Kalroth | So you're slacking both ingame and out of game? |
| 02:52.21 | Mikk | I might have been an enabler though |
| 02:52.21 | jaxdahl | oh wow |
| 02:52.23 | jaxdahl | dark command |
| 02:52.24 | jaxdahl | taunt |
| 02:52.24 | Kalroth | And I bet you wear Burberry too! |
| 02:52.27 | jaxdahl | they have 20 yard range now |
| 02:52.28 | jaxdahl | !!!! |
| 02:52.35 | Mikk | Lego didn't update the function list for a bit |
| 02:52.38 | Mikk | So then I wrote my own scanner |
| 02:52.47 | Kalroth | Sucker! |
| 02:52.48 | Legorol | Mikk: why not let Iriel do it ;-) |
| 02:52.55 | Legorol | I copped out when Iriel started doing a better job |
| 02:53.04 | Mikk | Surprise, Iriel slacks too! :o) |
| 02:53.17 | jaxdahl | hmm |
| 02:53.25 | Dewin | I don't want to write a config UI *whine* |
| 02:53.28 | Shirik | !quit |
| 02:53.31 | jaxdahl | 14112->20302 without toughness |
| 02:53.38 | Mikk | Dewin: AceConfig-3 is your friend. Really. |
| 02:53.41 | Tem|afk | weird |
| 02:53.47 | Dewin | Mikk: wtb actual aceconfig-3 docs. |
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| 02:53.52 | jaxdahl | 16175->23294 with toughness, both are 44% |
| 02:53.53 | Tem|afk | I had to swap to another presence and back to get armor bonus |
| 02:53.56 | Dewin | I've had about zero luck finding documentation on anything ace |
| 02:54.09 | Mikk | Yeah, ace3 docs are a bit poop still :/ |
| 02:54.16 | Kalroth | The source code IS the documentation |
| 02:54.24 | Legorol | you know what the standard response is... |
| 02:54.25 | Mikk | The table syntax is well documented though |
| 02:54.25 | Kalroth | Silly coders, everyone knows that. |
| 02:54.27 | Dewin | and I really don't want to tie this to a major library just for the config |
| 02:54.28 | Legorol | You can't find docs? Then write it! |
| 02:54.53 | Mikk | Well, that's kinda the idea of Ace3. You don't tie it to anything at all. You pick the bit you want. |
| 02:55.02 | Mikk | Only want config ui? Fine. Don't include anything else. |
| 02:55.29 | Kalroth | What if I don't want a config UI at all?! |
| 02:55.31 | Dewin | I haven't found anything that even can give a simple listbox yet >.> |
| 02:55.40 | Mikk | aeuh waitasec |
| 02:55.43 | Kalroth | There is no such thing in WoW |
| 02:55.49 | Dewin | you can fake it. |
| 02:55.52 | Kalroth | They've managed to make listboxes hard :p |
| 02:55.56 | Mikk | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3 <- have you at least seen that? |
| 02:55.57 | Dewin | I know how, I just don't want to write it. |
| 02:56.16 | Dewin | nope, I wasn't aware of the old.wowace.com domain even existing |
| 02:56.27 | Mikk | it didnt until 2 days ago |
| 02:56.32 | Kalroth | :p |
| 02:56.50 | Mikk | www.wowace.com is being reworked. what is on "old." now was "www." before |
| 02:57.07 | Dewin | I'm aware of the wowace rework ; |
| 02:57.08 | Dewin | hmm |
| 02:57.18 | Dewin | multiselect looks potentially useful |
| 02:59.22 | Dewin | OptionHouse looked potentially useful too, but I'll see how this works |
| 03:00.54 | Mikk | OH is certainly also an option |
| 03:01.06 | jaxdahl | Tem|afk, tundra stalker only granting 5 expertise |
| 03:01.21 | Tem|afk | yeah |
| 03:01.24 | Tem|afk | description changes |
| 03:01.27 | Tem|afk | no effect chanes |
| 03:01.28 | Tem|afk | changes |
| 03:01.29 | Tem|afk | QQ |
| 03:01.32 | Mikk | It was being looked at as the standard config gui for ace3, but failed on not supporting enough levels of depth for many existing addons |
| 03:01.53 | Dewin | Ah. |
| 03:01.59 | Dewin | I actually need levels of depth, so that's right out ;) |
| 03:02.11 | Mikk | iirc it does 3 levels |
| 03:02.33 | Mikk | ace3 does N levels, using trees, tabs, dropdown selectors, whatever |
| 03:02.37 | Mikk | you pick |
| 03:02.44 | Dewin | I see that |
| 03:03.04 | Dewin | It still looks to me, though, like it'd have to construct frames for every item in my list, as opposed to initializing a frame a set way based on what item is selected |
| 03:04.01 | jaxdahl | Tem|afk, it's like they forgot to patch stuff server side |
| 03:04.21 | Dewin | I think I'm going to just have to write my own >.> |
| 03:04.48 | Tem|afk | jaxdahl, yeah :( |
| 03:04.55 | jaxdahl | disappointing |
| 03:05.29 | Dewin | Though it's really hard to want to work on my addon extensively at this point now that it's to the point where it does what *I* need it to. Heh. |
| 03:05.34 | Dewin | well, besides tradeskills |
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| 03:05.43 | Nargiddley | Dewin, you don't do anything with frames for ace3 config |
| 03:06.05 | Dewin | Nargiddley: I'm pretty sure ace3 would construct them |
| 03:06.13 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 03:06.37 | Dewin | Does it reuse frames? |
| 03:06.41 | Nargiddley | very much so |
| 03:07.05 | Dewin | so if it has to tear everything down to proceed to go set it back up the exact same way... might not be too bad still hmm |
| 03:08.50 | Mikk | It isn't. Creating even hundreds of frames takes like 1/100 of a second. |
| 03:09.09 | Mikk | s/Creating/Reusing/ |
| 03:09.35 | jaxdahl | i'm told the taunt range change isn't in either |
| 03:10.00 | Dewin | Yeah, it just seems silly to set up one set of controls, tear them down, and proceed to set them back up just how they were before. ;) |
| 03:10.08 | Dewin | but |
| 03:10.17 | Dewin | I think I'll use this anyways |
| 03:10.25 | Dewin | now to figure out how to embed aceconfig and libstub >.> |
| 03:10.36 | Nargiddley | well, it also does the same thing if a different addon opens its config |
| 03:10.52 | Dewin | True. |
| 03:10.55 | Nargiddley | same frames if its the same option types |
| 03:11.28 | Dewin | I guess if it's not noticeable (or even if it is noticeable, you're not likely overly concerned about the performance of the configuration tool) then I shouldn't worry about it |
| 03:11.53 | Nargiddley | it actually does it after every control activation, its not noticable |
| 03:12.13 | Dewin | now to learn how to set it up |
| 03:12.41 | jaxdahl | world server go boom |
| 03:12.43 | Mikk | Trying to think of a good example to point at ... |
| 03:13.27 | Dewin | How exactly do the ace libraries not clobber each other if I have ace3 standalone + an embedded version in my addon? |
| 03:13.42 | Tem|afk | LibStub |
| 03:14.01 | Tem|afk | Ace2 libraries tend to clobber each other |
| 03:14.06 | Tem|afk | but that's just bad design |
| 03:14.12 | Tem|afk | ace3 fixed it :) |
| 03:17.37 | Mikk | I've seen one example of someone managing to un-fix a libstubbed library |
| 03:17.46 | Mikk | I suspect it was a bad port from ace2 though |
| 03:18.31 | Mikk | It was jumping through hoops, taking the old library object, copying it to another table, clearing the old library object, and then (wrongly) trying to merge stuff back into it |
| 03:18.40 | Mikk | 's like.... don't? |
| 03:20.17 | Mikk | Dewin: http://www.wowwiki.com/LibStub#Examples and you should see how it works |
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| 03:32.04 | ccox | crap, Blizz fixed the minor glyph bugs (that ones that let us learn them fast) |
| 03:35.52 | Dewin | hmm... MinimapButtonBag makes WoW unplayable for me, boo hiss |
| 03:38.20 | Dewin | Mikk: I'll take a look, srory |
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| 03:38.41 | Dewin | I got summoned into a surprise BT raid I wasn't signed up for... was exciting. |
| 03:38.43 | Dewin | Also my first time in BT. |
| 03:40.24 | Corrodias | it would be funnier if it was with a guild you weren't a member of, with people you've never talked to before |
| 03:42.03 | Hjalte | Dewin: I was never really able to find a button collector that didn't do bad things. |
| 03:42.17 | Nechckn | lol, indeed... random summon "Hey, come to BT, friend!" |
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| 03:46.10 | Shirik | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 03:46.11 | purl | ~~~~~~~~~~~ are YOU READY?????????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 03:46.40 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 03:46.42 | Shirik | I just ran out of memory |
| 03:47.10 | Shirik | that's one hell of a memory leak ventrilo's got |
| 03:50.23 | Shirik | how do you do that |
| 03:50.27 | Shirik | where do you have the server? |
| 03:50.48 | Tekkub | hiden in his ass |
| 03:51.05 | Mikk | 2.1 servers are unencumbered :P |
| 03:51.22 | Mikk | it was as of 2.2 that they went zomgcommercial |
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| 03:51.52 | Tekkub | and thus, noone has ever used 2.2 |
| 03:52.05 | Mikk | and mac users detest it |
| 03:52.14 | Mikk | the usage of 2.1 that is |
| 03:52.20 | Mikk | see if i care! |
| 03:52.28 | Tekkub | poor hippies |
| 03:53.02 | kd3 | whee... a few weeks until 3.0.2 goes live (ish) and they're still not done with inscription |
| 03:53.04 | Mikk | bah. mac users always have a pc standing around for all the stuff their mac won't do |
| 03:53.15 | Hjalte | omg patch tuesday |
| 03:53.17 | Hjalte | someone says |
| 03:53.26 | Mikk | sounds mildly optimistic |
| 03:53.44 | Mikk | someone's been saying "patch next week" for the last 3 weeks :P |
| 03:53.51 | Hjalte | "but the GM says at least we have 1 last reset before the patch on tuesday...." |
| 03:54.04 | Hjalte | from elitistjerks channel 1 min ago |
| 03:54.31 | Mikk | since when do GMs provide info on patch schedules? oO |
| 03:54.38 | Shirik | Since EJ determined they know everything |
| 03:54.45 | Dashkal | I'd be very surprised to see 3.0.2 hit live before the end of season 4 |
| 03:54.58 | Mikk | which is when? |
| 03:55.11 | kd3 | oct 14 |
| 03:55.17 | Shirik | Fact of the matter is 90% of what comes through EJ is filtered mangled crap |
| 03:55.30 | Shirik | which may look nice and pretty because it's filtered |
| 03:55.33 | Shirik | but it's still crap |
| 03:55.38 | Dashkal | The whole idea was that the rewards would be based on 2.4 stats and the last month would be a free-for-all |
| 03:56.33 | Mikk | And shaving 30% off boss hp for easier epix :P |
| 03:57.04 | Shirik | so um |
| 03:57.05 | Shirik | Get this |
| 03:57.22 | smcn | no! |
| 03:57.22 | Shirik | I just realized one of my professors and his wife is going to be "out of town" next week from about thursday to sunday |
| 03:57.27 | cbreak | and nerfed raid synergies |
| 03:57.35 | Mikk | nerfed and increased |
| 03:57.39 | Shirik | And it didn't occur to me at the time, but he also said he was going to California |
| 03:57.39 | Tekkub | Shirik, OMG REALLY |
| 03:57.54 | smcn | lol |
| 03:58.02 | Shirik | and today someone indicates to me that his wife is a wow addict |
| 03:58.09 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 03:58.13 | Tekkub | you slow |
| 03:58.23 | Shirik | And all of a sudden it hit me |
| 03:58.28 | Shirik | so now I'm going to have to see if I find him there |
| 03:58.54 | Shirik | It would be so awesome to get a picture of him in a cosplay hahahahahaha But I don't think he'll do that |
| 03:58.59 | Mikk | bwhahaha |
| 03:59.00 | Tekkub | you're a fucking suckup |
| 03:59.00 | Shirik | he's not crazy |
| 03:59.09 | Mikk | yeah cause everyone cosplays on game conferences |
| 03:59.10 | Mikk | EVERYONE! |
| 03:59.12 | Shirik | He's not actually my professor, he's another department. But he and I work closely on a project |
| 03:59.13 | Shirik | Hey! |
| 03:59.15 | Shirik | He could! |
| 03:59.17 | Tekkub | I"m going as a nerd |
| 03:59.21 | Mikk | zomg tek |
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| 04:00.17 | Mikk | i mean, ... quite a makeover from leather-and-rug |
| 04:00.47 | jaxdahl | 10/3 22:53:20.093 SWING_DAMAGE,0x0000000000069FC5,"Jedrius",0x514,0xF1300070BC000276,"Sartharion",0x10a48,6608414,0,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil |
| 04:00.57 | Tekkub | I wish I had a leather rug |
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| 04:06.25 | Mike-N-Go | .. |
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| 04:07.38 | Atriace | Anybody know when patch 3.0.2 goes live? |
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| 04:07.49 | Mike-N-Go | So I am on my level 27 druid doing RFK, and I am the leader and I crash. And the one who who got elected leader is not willing to give it back.. |
| 04:07.50 | Tekkub | right after BC |
| 04:07.58 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 04:07.58 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:08.12 | Atriace | I'll try that again. |
| 04:08.21 | Atriace | Anybody know when patch 3.0.2 goes live? |
| 04:08.23 | Tekkub | right after BC |
| 04:08.36 | Sargeras_ | Tuesday after BlizzCon |
| 04:08.49 | Atriace | Ah, I thought you meant Burning Crusade. |
| 04:08.52 | Atriace | Didn't make sense to me. |
| 04:08.59 | Tekkub | no that was 2.1 |
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| 04:11.29 | AnduinLothar | up and down... up and down |
| 04:11.49 | Tekkub | you too? I just got done with that |
| 04:11.56 | Tekkub | I'm plum tuckered now |
| 04:13.02 | Tekkub | hrm... anyone got good numbers on what levels you'll get in each zone if you start in fjord/borean with a fresh 70? |
| 04:13.37 | Tekkub | blizzy's4+ levels per zone seems a bit much since I got like 1.75 in Borean |
| 04:13.50 | Mikk | And yeah 14th oct seems like a likely date now, with S4 arena ending there |
| 04:14.27 | kd3 | it's 1-2 a zone |
| 04:14.30 | Mikk | (When the heck did they announce "a few weeks away" anyway? Early sep? Late aug?) |
| 04:14.39 | kd3 | 2 weeks out |
| 04:14.48 | kd3 | so, 4 days ago |
| 04:14.53 | Mikk | eh no |
| 04:15.01 | Mikk | they said 3.0 would arrive "in a few weeks" a long time ago |
| 04:16.47 | jaxdahl | 10/3 23:09:42.093 SWING_DAMAGE,0x0000000000069FC5,"Jedrius",0x514,0xF1300070BB000003,"Malygos",0x8010a48,70586976,51069919,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil |
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| 04:17.23 | selckin | serious damage |
| 04:18.45 | kd3 | wth? 70 million? |
| 04:19.13 | kd3 | 51 million overkill? |
| 04:19.35 | AnduinLothar | only? |
| 04:19.48 | Arrowmaster | you had 19 mil hp? |
| 04:19.52 | Arrowmaster | awesome |
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| 04:29.01 | Amarande | malygos is srs bsns |
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| 04:46.47 | kd3 | damn it! |
| 04:46.51 | kd3 | I hit rank 2 and the server crashes |
| 04:46.54 | kd3 | raaaaah! |
| 04:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 04:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, "The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation." |
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| 04:53.35 | Yssaril | Tekkub: ping |
| 04:54.20 | Tekkub | wut |
| 04:54.51 | Yssaril | was looking at buffets event handler is there any advantage to returning the function instead of just calling it? |
| 04:55.23 | Tekkub | I don't not call it |
| 04:55.57 | Yssaril | function(self, event, ...) if self[event] then return self[event](self, event, ...) end end vs function(self, event, ...) if self[event] then self[event](self, event, ...) end end i mean |
| 04:56.13 | Tekkub | tail call |
| 04:56.35 | Yssaril | so returning it is more efficient? |
| 04:56.45 | Tekkub | teeny tiny little bit |
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| 04:56.58 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 04:56.59 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:57.05 | Yssaril | Tekkub: thanks |
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| 05:18.13 | Neffi | Anyone by chance know of a program to extract and rename the game's minimap textures? |
| 05:22.39 | kd3 | rename? |
| 05:27.37 | NightHawkTheSane | weeeeeeee |
| 05:36.58 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, /agreed |
| 05:37.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: I'm glad we had this conversation. |
| 05:37.16 | Neuro_Medivh | wow... I cant' even log in, system crashes to desktop |
| 05:37.26 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, what can i say thats exactly how i felt |
| 05:43.05 | Yssaril | anyone here have a druid ? |
| 05:44.20 | Yssaril | is /cast Swift Flight Form enough or do you need /cast Swift Flight Form(Shapeshift)? |
| 05:44.39 | selckin | both work |
| 05:44.46 | Yssaril | selckin: thanks |
| 05:48.45 | Neuro_Medivh | ah hah, it's either gatherer or swatter |
| 05:50.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Bacon Tuna Swiss melts are the best thing ever. |
| 05:50.29 | Nom- | Can anyone think of another potential build for Ret Pally: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0eZVfrtrIucMsguAo |
| 05:50.49 | Nom- | I can't :( |
| 05:51.20 | selckin | you need bok |
| 05:51.42 | Nom- | BoK is meh... in a raid scenario another pally will have it |
| 05:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | is SoC necessary if you have SoB? |
| 05:51.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: not guaranteed, really |
| 05:51.57 | selckin | no, ret paladin will need to have bok |
| 05:52.10 | NightHawkTheSane | prot pallies wont pick up kings. holy is.. debatable, but no guarantee |
| 05:52.10 | selckin | dropping str for it compensates mostly |
| 05:52.17 | selckin | holy won't pick bok |
| 05:52.24 | selckin | -5% crit :\ |
| 05:52.30 | selckin | ret paladins lose the least |
| 05:52.43 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, Conviction? yeah, i guess |
| 05:53.12 | Nom- | Holy will |
| 05:53.23 | selckin | no. |
| 05:53.27 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone running Gatherer in the beta and able to load your toon? |
| 05:54.17 | Nom- | What else is holy going to get after the 51 point then? |
| 05:54.21 | Nom- | There's not a lot of options |
| 05:54.41 | selckin | 8% crit in ret tree |
| 05:55.09 | selckin | counts for spells |
| 05:55.11 | selckin | aka heals |
| 05:55.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: whats wrong with this? http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZaxZVfrx0IucMsguAo |
| 05:55.37 | Corrodias | it's for a paladin. that's always wrong. |
| 05:55.47 | NightHawkTheSane | you can easily lose the pvp talents |
| 05:55.49 | Nom- | SoC is one of the best dps seals now... |
| 05:56.01 | NightHawkTheSane | is it? i thought SoB was best? but still, that build has 3 points to spare :p |
| 05:56.17 | Nom- | Yeah... they boosted the proc rate and damage |
| 05:56.28 | Nom- | SoB is very meh now |
| 05:56.32 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough, but like i said, that build has 3 extra points, you can drop one into SoComm easily |
| 05:56.37 | Nom- | Which is why it's a baseline (both sides get it) |
| 05:57.04 | Nom- | but yeah... if i was going to get kings, i would drop Eye for an Eye |
| 05:57.17 | Nom- | There's so little else that you can drop |
| 05:57.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Persuit of Justice, Eye for an Eye, and Divine Purpose are all pvp talents that really have no use in a raid build |
| 05:57.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Persuit of Justice being the only one you could maybe hedge on that, cause run speed is really hot. |
| 05:58.15 | Nom- | Yeah, it's only 2 points, and since it affects disarm too, it has some impact in PvE |
| 05:58.20 | Nom- | There are some mobs which disarm |
| 05:58.27 | NightHawkTheSane | when do dpsers ever get disarmed? |
| 05:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | usually its the tank |
| 05:58.35 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: poke |
| 05:58.42 | Nom- | true... but if soloing... |
| 05:59.01 | Nom- | surprisingly, Eye for an Eye is proccing in PvE too |
| 05:59.30 | NightHawkTheSane | er, there's no reason it shouldn't proc in pve.. there's just lots of reasons why a dpser should not be being hit :p |
| 05:59.45 | NightHawkTheSane | unless you mean its proccing when it shouldn't, but then it's a bug.. |
| 05:59.45 | Nom- | *nod* |
| 06:00.03 | Nom- | It's a little concerning that the minimal ret build is 59 talent points |
| 06:00.14 | Nom- | But then there's nothing else in any tree that compliments it |
| 06:00.16 | Nom- | So i guess that's ok |
| 06:00.40 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it may be late for gross changes, but that may be something to suggest |
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| 06:01.24 | Nom- | I don't think it's necessarily a problem |
| 06:01.41 | Nom- | Because as I said... even if they condensed the essential talents, there's still nothing in any other tree worth getting |
| 06:01.58 | Nom- | Even with 10 talent points free... where would you put them? |
| 06:02.32 | Nom- | Divine Guardian is the only thing I can see which would be somewhat useful in a raid scenario |
| 06:02.36 | NightHawkTheSane | well, ideally it'd be a multi-fold change, to add some talents in holy or prot that are attractive to ret, but that'd probably require changes too massive to make at this stage |
| 06:04.00 | Nom- | hmmm what's better to leave out at a level 70 build... kings or divine str |
| 06:04.23 | selckin | at 70 holy can take bok |
| 06:04.44 | NightHawkTheSane | at 70? kings |
| 06:04.51 | NightHawkTheSane | er, well.. |
| 06:05.08 | Nom- | I'm thinking 5/56 @ 70 |
| 06:05.12 | NightHawkTheSane | do you mean 70 pre-wotlk? or a leveling 70 build? |
| 06:05.21 | Nom- | pre-wotlk |
| 06:05.24 | NightHawkTheSane | either way, the answer is probably still kings.. |
| 06:05.56 | NightHawkTheSane | but if no other pallies have it, and you need to raid, str then |
| 06:07.27 | Nom- | *ponder* |
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| 06:30.22 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. short diff for this patch |
| 06:31.12 | Nom- | heh nearly hit 1000 str on Murmur with my ret pally :D |
| 06:31.15 | Tekkub | Tem, I have something for yous |
| 06:31.22 | Tekkub | are you there Tem |
| 06:31.22 | Nom- | NightHawkTheSane: I'm pretty sure they're just about set as far as changes go |
| 06:31.25 | Tem|afk | oro? |
| 06:31.27 | Tekkub | come out and play |
| 06:31.28 | Tem|afk | tnaking naxx atm |
| 06:31.31 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2910803497/ |
| 06:31.36 | Nom- | I wouldn't be surprised if we have patch on Tuesday for live |
| 06:31.40 | Nom- | or the following week @ latest |
| 06:31.47 | Tekkub | I want the style to mesh with tekkub.net, of course, but it's a start |
| 06:31.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: oct 14th is the rumor. |
| 06:32.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: i'd bet dollars to donuts it's post blizzcon in any case |
| 06:32.28 | Tekkub | you like Tem|afk? I'm more important than haxxy |
| 06:32.56 | Neuro_Medivh | woohoo, O.J. guilty! |
| 06:33.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: .. waht? |
| 06:33.50 | Neuro_Medivh | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081004/ap_on_re_us/oj_simpson |
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| 06:34.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ah. i was going to say.. "are you like.. 15 years behind the time, and wrong?" |
| 06:34.50 | Nom- | 982 str |
| 06:34.51 | Nom- | lols |
| 06:35.07 | Neuro_Medivh | Armed Robbery... it's not murder, but it'll still put him behind bars for probably the rest of his life |
| 06:35.54 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, who does gatherer? Norganna? |
| 06:36.03 | NightHawkTheSane | meh. from an abstract "criminal put in jail" perspective i'm glad. |
| 06:36.25 | NightHawkTheSane | but i dont have any deluded notions of it being righteous, or payback. he's just a guy, who cares,. |
| 06:38.06 | MentalPower | Neuro_Medivh: norganna wrote it initially, but Esamynn maintains it currently |
| 06:38.07 | Corrodias | i didn't see the details of the murder case nor of this one |
| 06:38.12 | Corrodias | i pass no judgement on either |
| 06:38.45 | Esamynn | wtf, there is this 80 |
| 06:38.53 | Esamynn | DK on the premade realm hitting for 18k |
| 06:39.05 | Esamynn | bloody one shotting me |
| 06:39.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Obliterate? |
| 06:39.26 | Esamynn | Blood Strike |
| 06:39.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: sadly i was subjected to the whole thing pretty heavily, although i was moderately interested at the time. Back then I lived near buffalo, ny, where he was a minor celebrity, i guess you could say |
| 06:39.50 | Corrodias | huh. well, you have my pity for that |
| 06:39.59 | Corrodias | empathy? that might be it |
| 06:40.01 | Nom- | wow... murmur just died |
| 06:40.06 | Nom- | it's not even in server list ne more |
| 06:40.11 | Corrodias | can't be sympathy because i haven't experienced it |
| 06:40.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: meh, i don't need either. :) |
| 06:40.26 | Nom- | right in middle of arena game |
| 06:41.10 | Corrodias | this brings up an interesting point, Night. even though people in movies will angrily tell each other "i don't need your pity", i've realized that it's not theirs to reject. it's someone else's emotion out of their control. |
| 06:41.10 | sylvanaar | warrior 1 shotting 25 man raid bosses ftw |
| 06:41.32 | sylvanaar | malygos cannot be 1 shot |
| 06:41.45 | sylvanaar | he has 1 hp which he saves until phase 3 |
| 06:41.59 | Corrodias | i take it somebody is using a bug? :) |
| 06:42.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: true, that. i guess i should say i'm not looking for either. :) |
| 06:42.24 | Corrodias | fair enough, and i'll move on now |
| 06:43.51 | Tem|afk | sorry, tek |
| 06:43.53 | Tem|afk | what now? |
| 06:43.59 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2910803497/ |
| 06:44.10 | Tekkub | one sec I'll get you a shot with the dark scheme |
| 06:44.15 | Tem|afk | ooh pretty |
| 06:44.36 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2910818881/ |
| 06:46.37 | Corrodias | the Light Fantastic? i smell Pratchett |
| 06:49.43 | Tekkub | so you like tem? |
| 06:49.48 | Tem|afk | I do |
| 06:50.04 | Tekkub | okey, gonna toy with a script to convert TG files |
| 06:50.15 | Tem|afk | awesome :) |
| 06:50.28 | Tekkub | thinking I"ll just generate static html pages, do it once a week if I push out a TG release |
| 06:50.41 | Tekkub | instead of fancy unneeded rails crap |
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| 06:55.19 | jaxdahl | Tem |
| 06:55.34 | jaxdahl | 61.79% avoidance unbuffed |
| 06:56.10 | Corrodias | i remember duelling a prot warrior as a feral druid in tanking gear. we had a grand old time. |
| 06:56.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i've done that. it was fun as hell. |
| 06:57.38 | Corrodias | he had, i think, the.. FFA PvP item that creates a small damage bubble, if i'm thinking of the right thing. or a similar one. |
| 06:57.55 | Corrodias | i had my tauren sexiness |
| 07:01.40 | Nom- | lol that'd be a bit different in wrath |
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| 07:01.48 | Nom- | prot specs actually do decent dps |
| 07:02.03 | Nom- | My prot pally was keeping up with most of the dps... in a 5-man heroic |
| 07:02.10 | Corrodias | oh. cool :o |
| 07:02.44 | Nom- | They've basically moved away from the "causes high threat" abilities and buffed dps to compensate |
| 07:03.16 | Corrodias | well good, i think. those scale better. |
| 07:03.18 | Nom- | Gives new meaning to the phrase "tanking it to death" |
| 07:03.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: thats part of the point :) |
| 07:04.02 | Nom- | I'm so happy about the change to BoSanc tho |
| 07:04.16 | Nom- | 3% mana on block... finally mana problems when tanking low level stuff are fixed |
| 07:04.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: that alone makes me very happy in my pants. |
| 07:04.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: block/dodge/parry, i beleive. |
| 07:04.46 | Nom- | Places a Blessing on the friendly target, reducing damage taken from all sources by 3% for 10 min. In addition, when the target blocks, parries, or dodges a melee attack the target will gain 10 rage, 20 runic power, or 2% of maximum mana. Players may only have one Blessing on them per Paladin at any one time. |
| 07:04.52 | Nom- | Indeed |
| 07:04.56 | Nom- | 2% mana... that's still fine |
| 07:05.01 | Corrodias | i'd love to get happy in a female draenei paladin's pants |
| 07:08.26 | Neuro_Medivh | you say that now, but when she decides to get frisky with her tail... |
| 07:09.16 | Corrodias | dude, don't even say that right now. i'm in the middle of something and can't spare the time for enjoying that particular fantasy. |
| 07:09.46 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 07:11.29 | Nom- | hahaha |
| 07:16.38 | Tem|afk | so |
| 07:16.41 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/bug.png |
| 07:16.43 | jaxdahl | this bug is fun |
| 07:16.50 | Tem|afk | jaxdahl2, I'm tanking patchwerk |
| 07:17.01 | Tem|afk | what bug is that? |
| 07:17.04 | Tem|afk | it looks awesome |
| 07:17.19 | Nom- | I'm guessing that's a display bug, not an actually damage bug... |
| 07:17.34 | NightHawkTheSane | from what i hear.. it actually is a damage bug |
| 07:17.46 | jaxdahl | damage bug |
| 07:17.47 | Nom- | orly |
| 07:17.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess it has something to do with weapon spec. talents? but i dont really knwo |
| 07:17.56 | Corrodias | that would explain sylvanaar talking about 1-shotting malygos |
| 07:17.56 | Nom- | wtb instructions... i want to get some pvp gear for my pally :P |
| 07:17.57 | jaxdahl | works with almost any class |
| 07:18.08 | jaxdahl | weapon spec, swap non-spec weap with spec weap |
| 07:18.09 | Nom- | pve gear i mean |
| 07:18.12 | jaxdahl | rinse and repeat |
| 07:18.32 | Nom- | as as in if you have a 2h weapon spec |
| 07:18.37 | Nom- | swap between 1h and 2h |
| 07:18.49 | NightHawkTheSane | holy crap, you're right |
| 07:19.11 | Nom- | wtb murmur back up |
| 07:20.22 | Slackwise | Same. :P |
| 07:21.09 | Slackwise | I wanted to get a Naxx run going. :( |
| 07:24.04 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> I just did 83k+ damage on a crit white hit |
| 07:28.43 | Nom- | woot |
| 07:28.50 | Nom- | taking my 71 pally to UK then |
| 07:29.20 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i was thinking of soloing Azjol nerub |
| 07:29.54 | Corrodias | almost makes me wish i had a beta account and stuff |
| 07:29.56 | Nom- | as soon as murmur comes up i'll be going to do something there |
| 07:30.03 | Nom- | get some pve gear at least |
| 07:30.08 | Corrodias | so i could go see (solo) some of those raids that i never got to see back in the day |
| 07:30.42 | Nom- | same.. i'll go do AQ30 |
| 07:30.43 | Nom- | I40 |
| 07:30.45 | Nom- | AQ40 |
| 07:31.05 | Nom- | never got there before |
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| 07:31.25 | Corrodias | i got to see part of AQ20 a couple of times |
| 07:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, honestly, blowing through those like that seems less fun to me. half the fun of those was seeing the encounters play out.. not so much one shotting the bosses |
| 07:32.10 | Nom- | they probably can't fix this one without a patch either |
| 07:32.13 | Corrodias | oh well. i'll never experience the fights as they should be anyway |
| 07:32.17 | Nom- | it's not like they can just turn off weapon switching |
| 07:32.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: well, it depends on where that data is calculated |
| 07:32.42 | NightHawkTheSane | if all the calcs are done server side, they can potentially hotfix that |
| 07:33.24 | Corrodias | right now i'm trying to come up with background and personality for a roleplaying character in a different setting. damn this stuff that needs creativity, i suck at that. |
| 07:33.50 | Nom- | lol 350k divine storm |
| 07:33.57 | Nom- | non-crit |
| 07:34.17 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 07:34.24 | NightHawkTheSane | 235k oblit crit |
| 07:35.51 | Slackwise | Hmmm |
| 07:35.57 | Slackwise | I'm gonna' practice soloing Bloodlord Mandokir. |
| 07:38.07 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. i wonder how hard it would be to solo the panther chick at 80 |
| 07:39.58 | Tem|afk | patchwerk doesn't feel like a tank check anymore |
| 07:40.03 | Tem|afk | it feels like a healing check |
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| 07:41.24 | jaxdahl | i hit maylgos for 130 million damage |
| 07:41.28 | jaxdahl | sadly, i didn't log it |
| 07:41.33 | Keias | lol |
| 07:41.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ... million? |
| 07:41.49 | jaxdahl | now my dk bugged out trying to zone into the nexus |
| 07:41.57 | jaxdahl | loading screen stuck |
| 07:42.19 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly... i dont think that bug will work for shaman... |
| 07:42.26 | jaxdahl | do you have any weapon specializations? |
| 07:42.33 | Tem|afk | jaxdahl, do I need to be human, dwarf or orc to use that? |
| 07:42.38 | jaxdahl | no |
| 07:42.49 | Tem|afk | how else do I get a weapon spec? |
| 07:42.52 | Tem|afk | (as a dk) |
| 07:42.53 | Nom- | well im getting 10k xp per kill in UK |
| 07:42.54 | jaxdahl | blood spec |
| 07:42.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: talents |
| 07:42.58 | jaxdahl | 2nd tier |
| 07:43.02 | Tem|afk | ooh |
| 07:43.17 | jaxdahl | the multiplier doesn't go away |
| 07:43.18 | jaxdahl | and stacks |
| 07:43.24 | Nom- | seems like a nice way to level |
| 07:43.25 | jaxdahl | when you swap weaps |
| 07:43.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: makes those group quests nice and easy ;) |
| 07:45.14 | Nom- | soling UK for 10k xp per kill |
| 07:45.16 | Nom- | awesome :D |
| 07:45.53 | Nom- | oh noes |
| 07:45.56 | Nom- | caster boss killed m |
| 07:46.05 | Nom- | e |
| 07:46.19 | jaxdahl | anyone know if it works for rogues? |
| 07:47.24 | Nom- | as long as you have a +damage weapon spec, yes |
| 07:47.48 | jaxdahl | not sure i know of any talents for that off the top of my head |
| 07:47.52 | jaxdahl | there's +crit |
| 07:48.02 | jaxdahl | but i don't think that works |
| 07:48.12 | NightHawkTheSane | dagger/fist is +crit, mace is armor pen, and sword is extra attack, i doubt those would work |
| 07:48.30 | jaxdahl | gonna try with fist spec |
| 07:48.37 | jaxdahl | see if i get 100% crit |
| 07:48.49 | Nom- | yeah should work |
| 07:49.01 | jaxdahl | my crit stat doesn't actually go up |
| 07:49.03 | jaxdahl | but we'll see |
| 07:49.19 | jaxdahl | think it uses just crit+5? |
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| 07:56.10 | jaxdahl | doesn't seem to work |
| 07:56.27 | Nom- | lol i have to bubble for the bosses |
| 07:56.32 | Nom- | they hit too hard for a ret pally to tank |
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| 07:56.58 | Nom- | one dodge and i'm gone |
| 07:57.04 | jaxdahl | my DK is stuck in nexus :( |
| 07:58.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: frost strike ftw :) |
| 07:58.56 | NightHawkTheSane | although i just got -rocked- by hydronaxx's adds |
| 08:00.13 | NightHawkTheSane | .. "hadronox" my bad. |
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| 08:02.34 | AnduinLothar | rofl |
| 08:02.45 | AnduinLothar | two handed weapons are bugged, awesome |
| 08:02.50 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, I got my wpn damage up to 20k now... I'm scared to actually USE it on someone though |
| 08:03.07 | Neuro_Medivh | cause even in beta, they don't want people abusing bugs |
| 08:04.20 | Corrodias | i suppose it's hardly condusive to finding other bugs when everybody's playing with a single one |
| 08:04.34 | Corrodias | but they can't blame people for wanting to have a little fun with this one |
| 08:04.42 | zenzelezz | AnduinLothar: bugged how? |
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| 08:04.47 | NightHawkTheSane | same with the old typhoon bug, really |
| 08:04.56 | AnduinLothar | unequip, equip = dmg goes up |
| 08:05.09 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: if you have a weapon spec talent that bumps damage you can swap out weapons and it stacks the multiplier.. over and over. |
| 08:05.28 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, i say "old typhoon bug" but i guess that was waht, a week or two ago? :P |
| 08:05.47 | sacarasc | AnduinLothar: similar thing happened with me and an enhancement shaman talent (got up to over 10k spell damage) |
| 08:05.48 | Tem|afk | wow lol |
| 08:05.58 | Tem|afk | I just tanked patchwork |
| 08:06.36 | Nom- | highly recommend not using SoB when your white damage is 500k :P |
| 08:06.52 | Neuro_Medivh | why not, does it bug out? |
| 08:06.55 | AnduinLothar | rofl |
| 08:07.02 | AnduinLothar | it pwns you |
| 08:07.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: heh, think about what Seal of BLood DOES |
| 08:07.10 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, lol |
| 08:07.22 | Neuro_Medivh | I was thinking solely in terms of high numbers |
| 08:07.54 | Nom- | oh lol |
| 08:07.58 | Nom- | i dinged and didn't even notice |
| 08:08.01 | jaxdahl | Tem, normally? |
| 08:08.03 | Nom- | while i was soling UK |
| 08:08.12 | Tem|afk | normally |
| 08:08.12 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 08:08.24 | jaxdahl | it's an exciting fight, yea |
| 08:08.35 | jaxdahl | 'am i going to get gibbed?' 'am i going to get gibbed?' 'am i going to get gibbed?' 'am i going to get gibbed?' 'am i going to get gibbed?' |
| 08:09.37 | NightHawkTheSane | fun fact: Anub'arak, in Azjol-nerub? he -must- go through one add phase before he dies. |
| 08:09.53 | jaxdahl | malygos phase 2 is 'hard' |
| 08:10.02 | jaxdahl | phase 1 you take him to 1 hp in 1 hit |
| 08:10.18 | jaxdahl | you take a lot of magic damage in phase 2 |
| 08:10.46 | Corrodias | interesting that they put in a kill protection mechanism on him |
| 08:10.47 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/sws3/ |
| 08:10.56 | jaxdahl | it's a scripted encounter, Corrodias |
| 08:11.06 | Corrodias | i know, but from what i can tell, they have not bothered with protecting bosses from being killed early, in the past |
| 08:11.14 | Nom- | where's a good area with ~ 74 elites |
| 08:11.26 | Corrodias | my specific example is SM Cath, Whitemane fight |
| 08:11.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: .. not to sound repetetive.. but azjol nerub? |
| 08:11.55 | jaxdahl | it's a 5 man |
| 08:12.16 | NightHawkTheSane | and? |
| 08:12.21 | jaxdahl | what's your question |
| 08:12.32 | Corrodias | well, my question is why that makes my point invalid |
| 08:12.43 | Corrodias | or why you said that, unless that's what you're trying to suggest |
| 08:12.48 | jaxdahl | hm, outland world server keeps going down |
| 08:13.13 | jaxdahl | that, or it has been down for 10 minutes |
| 08:13.17 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, ive noticed the instance server appears sluggish |
| 08:14.00 | Tem|afk | so |
| 08:14.02 | Tem|afk | how do I do this? |
| 08:14.09 | Tem|afk | spec into 2h weapon spec |
| 08:14.11 | jaxdahl | spec 2h weapon specialization |
| 08:14.13 | Tem|afk | and swap out a 1h |
| 08:14.14 | jaxdahl | swap a 2h and a 1h |
| 08:14.16 | Tem|afk | and a 2h |
| 08:14.18 | Tem|afk | awesome |
| 08:14.24 | jaxdahl | watch yoru weapon damage range go up |
| 08:14.30 | Tem|afk | do I have to keep 2h weapon spec afterwards? |
| 08:14.37 | jaxdahl | dunno |
| 08:14.41 | jaxdahl | you lose it when you zone |
| 08:14.41 | NightHawkTheSane | (note, it revers to normal on zoning) |
| 08:14.48 | Tem|afk | ah |
| 08:14.49 | jaxdahl | don't lose it when you die though |
| 08:15.00 | Tem|afk | hah |
| 08:15.01 | NightHawkTheSane | well, you do if dying makes you zone :p |
| 08:15.47 | Neuro_Medivh | bah, just zoned, and my wpn dmg was around 1million |
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| 08:20.00 | Tornhoof | real wpndmg or just ui display? |
| 08:20.33 | Neuro_Medivh | ui display |
| 08:20.39 | Neuro_Medivh | real dmg is more like 600k |
| 08:21.04 | zenzelezz | maybe that's due to armor ;-o |
| 08:27.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i feel like a jerk for being picky, but it'd be nice if these bosses dropped different items. :p |
| 08:28.41 | Corrodias | when you kill them solo, you mean? |
| 08:28.47 | Corrodias | or different from back in The Day? |
| 08:30.15 | NightHawkTheSane | when i kill them solo :p |
| 08:30.39 | Tornhoof | clearing naxx? |
| 08:31.07 | Nom- | murmur back up ? |
| 08:31.32 | Tekkub | Tem, and anyone else that cares... |
| 08:31.33 | Tekkub | http://tekkub.net/tg/Ally_60_62_Hellfire_Peninsula.html |
| 08:31.53 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone here with a high level blacksmith on beta? |
| 08:32.07 | Neuro_Medivh | how high |
| 08:32.25 | NightHawkTheSane | or, to be specific: anyone know if the BS Socket bracer/glove ability uses the enchant slot, and what kind of socket it adds? |
| 08:32.26 | Tekkub | duuuuuuuue |
| 08:32.35 | Tekkub | like..... so high.... |
| 08:32.51 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, no, mine is only 375 |
| 08:33.01 | NightHawkTheSane | thats.. not "high levle" on beta :P |
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| 08:37.35 | Neuro_Medivh | I believe it adds a colorless socket, and I'm guessing it does take the place of an enchant |
| 08:39.23 | AnduinLothar | doesn't replace enchant |
| 08:39.32 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, I'm wrong then =) |
| 08:43.24 | NightHawkTheSane | AnduinLothar: it is colorless, though? |
| 08:43.30 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 08:43.41 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks |
| 08:43.41 | Neuro_Medivh | for it to have a color, it would need a bonus |
| 08:43.55 | NightHawkTheSane | .. well, for the color to matter, but that's a good point :) |
| 08:50.11 | Nom- | hmm i might hve to go prot |
| 08:58.27 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, when did wowhead get that compare items thing? thats pretty sweet |
| 08:58.31 | AnduinLothar | Anduinhaxors's melee swing hits Fanged Pit Viper for 42 Physical.(8585484 Overkill) (Critical) |
| 08:58.56 | NightHawkTheSane | AnduinLothar: 8 million? my heart bleeds for your fingers, doing that much clicking |
| 08:59.41 | Tem|afk | it actually speed up quite a bit once you hit 100k |
| 09:00.06 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, true, as it scales.. what polynomially? |
| 09:00.19 | Tem|afk | massive damage + blood presence = hax |
| 09:00.29 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 09:11.34 | Tekkub | Tem|afk, http://tekkub.net/tg/Ally_70_71_Borean_Tundra.html |
| 09:11.38 | Tekkub | http://tekkub.net/tg/Ally_70_71_Howling_Fjord.html |
| 09:12.03 | jaxdahl | najentus, supremus, akama, gorefiend, bloodboil down |
| 09:12.05 | jaxdahl | all solo |
| 09:12.39 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 09:12.48 | AnduinLothar | oh man i should go solo SW |
| 09:13.42 | jaxdahl | reliquary of souls is next |
| 09:13.48 | jaxdahl | it'll be tricky but i have a trick up my sleeve |
| 09:21.48 | Nom- | best bug ever :D |
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| 09:25.45 | Nom- | 2 levels in no time flag |
| 09:25.48 | Nom- | *flat |
| 09:25.54 | Nom- | burnt all of my rested xp |
| 09:27.16 | jaxdahl | reliquary of souls down |
| 09:27.32 | Corrodias | solo? |
| 09:27.34 | jaxdahl | had 5 seconds to spare, whew |
| 09:27.35 | jaxdahl | yep |
| 09:27.41 | Corrodias | gj! |
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| 09:27.50 | jaxdahl | i think paladin is the only other class that could do it |
| 09:28.05 | orionshock | anyone here on the pve horde guild? |
| 09:28.44 | orionshock | anyone here on the -Beta-pve horde guild? |
| 09:28.57 | Corrodias | what's your class, jaxdahl? |
| 09:29.13 | jaxdahl | DK |
| 09:35.29 | Nom- | lol max weapon damage = 1.1million hp |
| 09:36.20 | Corrodias | aw, there's a max? |
| 09:37.26 | jaxdahl | not that i know of |
| 09:37.33 | jaxdahl | paladin says he just hit 1.7 quintillion |
| 09:38.46 | zenzelezz | "Taunt - Now has a 20 yard range. Up from 5." :-o |
| 09:39.02 | Corrodias | nifty |
| 09:41.43 | jaxdahl | zenzelezz, doesn't even work yet :P |
| 09:41.51 | jaxdahl | at least for warriors |
| 09:42.58 | Tem|afk | nor DKs |
| 09:43.14 | Tem|afk | I'm at 9 digits |
| 09:44.39 | jaxdahl | man, mother shahraz trash is a bitch |
| 09:44.39 | Nom- | heh |
| 09:44.53 | jaxdahl | lots of stuns and love taps |
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| 09:58.30 | jaxdahl | oooof, council hurts |
| 09:58.37 | jaxdahl | and i went after the wrong boss |
| 09:58.53 | zenzelezz | Illidari? |
| 09:58.58 | AnduinLothar | it'd be easy enough with a pally |
| 09:59.04 | AnduinLothar | bubble and swing 4x |
| 10:05.32 | Nom- | not even that |
| 10:05.38 | Nom- | divine storm x 1 |
| 10:07.46 | Tem|afk | hax |
| 10:07.47 | AnduinLothar | they aren't all melee |
| 10:07.59 | Tem|afk | they're hp is linked |
| 10:08.11 | Tem|afk | you could kill em with all dps on 1 of them |
| 10:08.36 | AnduinLothar | good point |
| 10:09.57 | Corrodias | ooh :o |
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| 10:11.14 | Nom- | yeah but divine storm hits all 4 for about as much damage as crusader |
| 10:11.17 | Nom- | so it's 4x damage basically |
| 10:12.37 | jaxdahl | illidan down |
| 10:12.38 | jaxdahl | solo |
| 10:12.44 | Corrodias | congrats! |
| 10:13.17 | jaxdahl | no glaive |
| 10:13.22 | jaxdahl | not that i could use it anyway |
| 10:14.05 | jaxdahl | going to try sunwell |
| 10:15.17 | Corrodias | be sure to grab screenshots for posterity |
| 10:15.42 | Neuro_Medivh | cheater =) |
| 10:15.59 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm too scared to abuse that bug, keep thinking they'll ban beta abusers |
| 10:17.14 | Arrowmaster | the stat increasing but that shows up every ptr? |
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| 10:24.34 | Tem|afk | I'm soloing heroics >< |
| 10:24.44 | Tem|afk | AL and I were duoing them |
| 10:24.48 | Tem|afk | but I think he's going to bed now |
| 10:26.14 | leethal | hmpf, gief character copy that's up |
| 10:27.04 | Tem|afk | Neuro_Medivh, the only reason I'm not worried is they didn't ban druids who played with typhoon when itw as off the GCD and cost 0 mana |
| 10:28.37 | Tem|afk | jaxdahl, btw, what spec are you using? |
| 10:28.47 | Corrodias | that sounds like a lot of fun |
| 10:28.57 | Corrodias | but what's typhoon? |
| 10:29.17 | Tem|afk | their knockback thing |
| 10:29.21 | Tem|afk | it's in the balance tree |
| 10:29.36 | Corrodias | INTERESTING |
| 10:29.40 | Corrodias | er, capslock |
| 10:31.24 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, Tem, does it matter what spec he's using, really? =) |
| 10:31.31 | Tem|afk | yes |
| 10:31.38 | Tem|afk | since it works on weapon damage |
| 10:31.45 | Tem|afk | I'm curious if he went for a frost build |
| 10:31.51 | Tem|afk | dual wield |
| 10:31.53 | Tem|afk | frost strike |
| 10:32.04 | Neuro_Medivh | I just did normal blood build |
| 10:32.18 | Tem|afk | I'm currently blood so I could give blood aura to AL |
| 10:32.46 | Tem|afk | but I'm wishing for faster attack speed and an RP dump that rapes things just as much as my other swings do |
| 10:33.18 | Neuro_Medivh | if I were doing it strictly to abuse the bug, I'd go frost and take all the mitigation I could |
| 10:33.42 | Neuro_Medivh | since DPS is not a factor |
| 10:33.53 | Corrodias | attack speed could be |
| 10:34.02 | Corrodias | and/or the ability to attack more than one thing at once |
| 10:34.15 | Corrodias | something to kill lots of adds before they kill you |
| 10:34.48 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, as long as the adds can't one-shot me, I'm fine |
| 10:35.02 | Neuro_Medivh | as blood presence will heal me to full every hit |
| 10:35.06 | Corrodias | ah |
| 10:35.24 | Corrodias | but that's still not true |
| 10:35.48 | Corrodias | if you're rushed by 5 mobs and they each get to hit you once before you kill them all, they only have to 5-shot you |
| 10:36.16 | Corrodias | or rather, if they all get to hit you once before you kill one |
| 10:36.38 | AnduinLothar | happened to me a number of times |
| 10:36.52 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but that's not something spec will really change.. there's no AE ability based on weapon dmg |
| 10:36.56 | AnduinLothar | 2 trees attacked me. one crit for 11k |
| 10:36.57 | Neuro_Medivh | for dks |
| 10:37.00 | Corrodias | OKAY |
| 10:37.05 | Corrodias | damn capslock |
| 10:37.13 | leethal | bind caps lock to ctrl ftw |
| 10:37.41 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, I might still go deep blood instead of frost, for blood aura, so I can run frost presence instead of blood presence |
| 10:37.59 | Neuro_Medivh | 65% more armor would be the best way to go |
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| 10:40.44 | Tem|afk | 45% |
| 10:40.50 | Tem|afk | they didn't change it |
| 10:40.54 | Tem|afk | the tooltip changed |
| 10:40.57 | Tem|afk | but the effect didn't |
| 10:44.00 | Neuro_Medivh | bah |
| 10:44.11 | Neuro_Medivh | well, once it gets to 65%, it'll be nice |
| 10:44.23 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, sleep time, catch you cats tomorrow |
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| 11:07.41 | WobWork | ~seen hyperchipmunk |
| 11:07.44 | purl | hyperchipmunk <n=staharaj@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/hyperactiveChipmunk> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 10h 22m 14s ago, saying: 'i prefer YYYYMMDDRRRRRRRMATEY'. |
| 11:13.36 | jaxdahl | how long is a soft reset? |
| 11:13.39 | jaxdahl | 15 or 30 |
| 11:13.58 | Tornhoof | 30 afaik |
| 11:14.16 | Tem|afk | what are you after, jax? |
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| 11:18.26 | purl | ACTION forces jaxdahl to give lua_bot a big kiss on the ear |
| 11:18.27 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 11:18.34 | Fisker- | y helo thar |
| 11:37.48 | Nom- | cold weather flying @ 74, right? |
| 11:39.20 | Lukian | 77 |
| 11:41.30 | Nom- | ah doh |
| 11:43.17 | Nom- | 3 levels so far |
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| 12:00.43 | Nom- | Murmur back up? |
| 12:00.56 | Nom- | If so, looking for cloth, leather and mail wearer to go farm Naxx with me |
| 12:00.59 | Nom- | 10 then 25 |
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| 12:29.40 | Lunessa | STATION! |
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| 12:35.52 | Nom- | ow... wtb resilience working properly |
| 12:38.07 | cbreak | I don't like resilience |
| 12:38.21 | cbreak | takes up valuable item budget :/ |
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| 12:38.47 | Nom- | it *was* great for stopping you taking crits in PvE |
| 12:39.13 | cbreak | not really useful. I die to hits too... :) |
| 12:43.11 | Nom- | lolcrit for 5 mill health |
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| 12:54.29 | Nom- | hmm anyone know... in the old kingdom dungeon there's a spot called "Shimmering Bog" |
| 12:54.33 | Nom- | how do youg et out from there ? |
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| 13:57.15 | acetar | bah wrong window -.- |
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| 14:04.42 | Nom- | 4 levels so far tonight :D |
| 14:04.59 | Nom- | 5 mans are by far the best source of XP as long as you take take a few hits |
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| 14:06.23 | Tem|afk | Nom-, what level are you? |
| 14:08.17 | Nom- | 75 now |
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| 14:10.24 | Nom- | hoping to get to level 80 tonight and clear naxx |
| 14:10.24 | Nom- | if i can do that before they fix the weapon damage thing, i might actually have enough gear to do some raiding *normally* |
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| 14:11.01 | Lunessa | Nom-: did you figure out how to get out of the Shimmering Bog? |
| 14:11.58 | Nom- | yeah, i worekd out i went the wrong way on my next clear |
| 14:11.58 | Nom- | and consequently found the last boss |
| 14:15.34 | Nom- | a nice dungeon with lots of trash mobs is worth about 40% of a level :) |
| 14:20.24 | jaxdahl | Tem, i have 28k hp unbuffed and 63% avoidance on my DK now |
| 14:20.38 | Tem|afk | nice |
| 14:20.48 | Tem|afk | I'm only up to 26k hp |
| 14:23.15 | jaxdahl | i got some plate legs off malygos |
| 14:23.22 | jaxdahl | that i haven't seen on wowhead or mmo-champion |
| 14:23.33 | jaxdahl | Legplates of Sovereignity |
| 14:24.21 | jaxdahl | 2054armor, +82 str, +171 sta, +86 def +66 expertise, +57 parry |
| 14:24.46 | jaxdahl | 2734hp from those legs alone with a +55 sta enchant |
| 14:26.58 | Nom- | doh |
| 14:27.00 | jaxdahl | uh oh |
| 14:27.03 | Nom- | hotifx inc |
| 14:27.04 | jaxdahl | server restart in 15 |
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| 14:28.18 | zenzelezz | was this bug something similar to that old thing where paladins could one-shot Kazzak? |
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| 14:34.41 | Tem|afk | no |
| 14:35.04 | Tem|afk | damn |
| 14:35.11 | Tem|afk | I was almost done soloing every heroic |
| 14:35.17 | Tem|afk | only strath left |
| 14:35.25 | Tem|afk | well |
| 14:35.28 | Tem|afk | excluding occulus |
| 14:35.32 | Tem|afk | since occulus is gay |
| 14:35.39 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 14:36.54 | Nom- | doh... didn't get time to finish this dungeon |
| 14:36.55 | Nom- | i died :( |
| 14:37.40 | Nom- | I kinda hope they don't fix it yet |
| 14:37.50 | Nom- | But my common sense tells me that's what the restart is for |
| 14:38.03 | Nom- | i got 4 full levels... that's not bad |
| 14:38.15 | Nom- | 71 => 75 |
| 14:40.35 | Nom- | I just wish I had a level 80 already... or murmur didn't go down, so i could get some PvE gear |
| 14:43.54 | Nom- | heh warriors get all the fun |
| 14:43.59 | Nom- | extra damage AND extra crit |
| 14:44.16 | Nom- | 100% crit + 1,000,000 max damage on weapon = ouchies :P |
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| 14:48.40 | Lunessa | 23 meg patch... |
| 14:50.22 | jaxdahl | erm |
| 14:50.25 | jaxdahl | patch? |
| 14:51.12 | zenzelezz | it's just the text "All haxx and no testing makes Jack a bad boy" repeated to 23 MB |
| 14:51.15 | Industrial | In have a patch! |
| 14:51.17 | Industrial | no, wait... |
| 14:51.21 | Industrial | -n |
| 14:51.39 | jaxdahl | where are you seeing this 23 meg patch? |
| 14:52.05 | jaxdahl | anyone know an free/open source method of converting avi to flv? |
| 14:52.15 | jaxdahl | i would prefer a virtualdub based solution |
| 14:52.17 | jaxdahl | or something like it |
| 14:52.41 | zenzelezz | think ffmpeg can do that |
| 14:52.52 | jaxdahl | i'm looking at avidemux |
| 14:53.00 | zenzelezz | doesn't VLC have a built-in conversion thing? Never tried it |
| 14:53.21 | jaxdahl | VLC isn't really designed for cutting/editing video |
| 14:53.30 | jaxdahl | sure, it can transcode |
| 14:53.45 | zenzelezz | I'm no good with video terms, to me it's all "convert" |
| 14:54.26 | Drayeah | I used Riva FLV encoder for that. It's free but not open source |
| 14:54.49 | Nom- | omg they disabled weapon switching |
| 14:54.50 | Nom- | i think |
| 14:55.00 | zenzelezz | in combat? |
| 14:55.04 | Nom- | or not... |
| 14:55.07 | Nom- | no was just lag |
| 14:55.12 | Nom- | bug is fixed (unfortunately) |
| 14:55.16 | jaxdahl | instance servers aren't coming up |
| 14:55.39 | Lunessa | So you won't be haxxing your way to Naxx today? :P |
| 14:55.46 | Nom- | Nope :( |
| 14:55.59 | Nom- | I was hoping to have time to... had I known about the bug sooner, I would have |
| 14:56.08 | jaxdahl | i had so much fun with it |
| 14:56.33 | Nom- | I mostly used it to level |
| 14:56.37 | Lunessa | I'm totally going to misbehave and play WoW from campus. |
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| 14:57.36 | Nom- | i think server just crashed |
| 15:01.47 | jaxdahl | http://jeffcovey.net/music/scores/blank/mp3/blank.mp3 can someone tell me if this is silent? |
| 15:07.01 | zenzelezz | seems to be zero-length to me |
| 15:10.26 | [Liquidor] | Anyone tested AddOn Studio for World of Warcraft v2 BETA ? |
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| 15:22.21 | jaxdahl | confirmed, bug is fixed |
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| 15:50.51 | Matrix110| | god this shiibot shit is annoying |
| 15:55.49 | Cide | cry more and auth |
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| 16:03.53 | Shirik | !quit |
| 16:04.00 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rRf] by Shirik |
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| 16:08.09 | Guest45728 | why am I guest45728 again? |
| 16:08.11 | Guest45728 | .. |
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| 16:09.06 | Shirik | ok well that should fix the netsplit problem |
| 16:09.18 | Shirik | !quit |
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| 16:11.20 | Matrix110| | Cide Iam authing always after sometime but only joining that channel is annoying :P |
| 16:11.35 | Cide | /timer |
| 16:12.09 | Shirik | Matrix110|, your alternative option is to always join an overflow channel |
| 16:12.27 | Shirik | would you rather have that? At least this way we can unlock the channel for what seems to be about 80% of the time right now |
| 16:12.29 | Matrix110| | I use /timer in my perform to join :P |
| 16:12.35 | Shirik | Why? |
| 16:12.44 | Matrix110| | BUt I guess I delay wowuidev join a bit more |
| 16:12.47 | Shirik | You're using mirc |
| 16:12.50 | Shirik | Use a server password |
| 16:13.12 | Matrix110| | uhm? |
| 16:13.39 | smcn | server password doesn't work for ns:P i tried it the first time you mentioned it a week ago |
| 16:14.01 | Shirik | Then you didn't do it right :) I've done that for ages |
| 16:14.20 | Matrix110| | Server Password as in Serverlist-> Edit Password? |
| 16:17.02 | Shirik | um, file->select server |
| 16:17.09 | Shirik | edit server, password |
| 16:17.32 | Matrix110| | and what should I edit there my auth PW? |
| 16:18.30 | Matrix110| | # Configure your client to identify itself to nickserv automatically whenever it connects to freenode so that it's less likely you'll connect to the network without being identified to nickserv. The easiest approach is to specify your nickserv password as a server password." |
| 16:18.48 | Matrix110| | gotta test that |
| 16:19.00 | Shirik | I'm using an out of date version so I can't really give you good information unfortunately |
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| 16:22.23 | Matrix110 | hmm seems to work |
| 16:22.39 | Matrix110 | thanks Shirik |
| 16:22.55 | Shirik | np |
| 16:23.16 | zenzelezz | Shirik: maybe say so in the topic of your redirect channel? |
| 16:23.32 | Matrix110 | ye I thought I had some kind of Trojan first :P |
| 16:23.51 | Matrix110 | woot???!?!?! #shiibot Ive never joined this chan |
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| 16:30.29 | p3lim | hm what event is good to register to toggle AFK? |
| 16:31.51 | p3lim | on any unit that is |
| 16:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | what the crap? http://www.flickr.com/explore/panda |
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| 16:35.34 | Hjalte | cladhaire: Hi there. I don't seem to be able to get any mana bars to show in PerfectRaid, any tips? |
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| 16:37.48 | kalephunk | hi, anybody awake and feel like throwing me some hints as to why my table.remove isn't working? :D |
| 16:39.08 | Hjalte | cladhaire: I'm an idiot and I did not just ask you that. Have a nice day! |
| 16:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | have you checked resources like google, wowwiki, Pil, and such? :p |
| 16:39.44 | Shirik | Hjalte: Did you turn off the "suck" option? I usually forget to do that :) |
| 16:40.05 | Hjalte | Shirik: Yeah, well, there's a lot of options, let's just say that :) |
| 16:40.23 | cladhaire | Hjalte: okay :P |
| 16:40.25 | cladhaire | sorted! |
| 16:40.25 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|away: hehe |
| 16:40.32 | cladhaire | anyone using TomTom in wotlk? |
| 16:40.43 | Matrix110 | yes |
| 16:40.48 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: i have it installed, but haven't really been -using- it >.> |
| 16:40.51 | cladhaire | okay, then this person is wrong :P |
| 16:40.52 | Matrix110 | same |
| 16:41.01 | cladhaire | that's all I wanted to know :P |
| 16:41.07 | cladhaire | does /way 50 50 work? |
| 16:41.08 | kalephunk | yeah, i think i'm doing things right, just a simple for loop that iterates between a key/value pair in the array and if value=x, table.remove that key... but table.getn on the array afterwards still returns the full # of values :/ |
| 16:41.13 | cladhaire | in a non-northrend/ep zone? |
| 16:41.23 | Matrix110 | cladhaire I didnt try that tbh :P |
| 16:41.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ill check.. |
| 16:41.37 | Matrix110 | I only use pretty Arrow showing me direction to my selfmade waypoint :P |
| 16:41.44 | cladhaire | hehe thats fine then :P |
| 16:41.54 | Matrix110 | But it misses death direction! |
| 16:42.10 | cladhaire | yeah i know |
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| 16:42.12 | cladhaire | time =( |
| 16:42.15 | cladhaire | lack thereof. |
| 16:42.26 | Matrix110 | when questing I ran dozen of times to my next quest instead of my body.... |
| 16:42.31 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 16:42.34 | cladhaire | =( |
| 16:42.35 | cladhaire | i'm sorry |
| 16:42.40 | Matrix110 | :D |
| 16:43.04 | cog|away | kalephunk: that's a fundamental misunderstanding of how for works |
| 16:43.12 | cog|away | what you're doing is technically in error |
| 16:43.12 | kalephunk | i'll accept that |
| 16:43.27 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:43.38 | kalephunk | what direction should i take instead? |
| 16:43.39 | cog|away | for loops set their starting and ending values at the beginning and they never change during the loop |
| 16:43.46 | cog|away | backwards ;) |
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| 16:43.58 | cog|away | start at #table (table.getn is deprecated) and go back to 1 |
| 16:44.26 | kalephunk | hrmm |
| 16:44.30 | kalephunk | thanks, i'll hack at it :) |
| 16:44.44 | cog|away | for i = #tbl, 1, -1 do .... table.remove(tbl, i) ... end |
| 16:45.00 | cog|away | or just tbl[i] = nil |
| 16:46.48 | kalephunk | you're a god |
| 16:47.09 | kalephunk | thanks a ton :) |
| 16:47.21 | Cide | he just knows lua |
| 16:47.26 | cog|away | ^ |
| 16:47.28 | Cide | maybe you should too |
| 16:47.35 | kalephunk | i'm learnign! |
| 16:47.38 | kalephunk | *learning |
| 16:47.39 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 16:48.14 | cog|away | ~poke Cide |
| 16:48.15 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cide, pokes Cide repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:49.23 | Lunessa | Ugh, I want to scream at some of these posters... "English motherfucker, do you speak it?" |
| 16:51.23 | Shirik | damn it p3lim |
| 16:51.26 | Shirik | making my job hard and all |
| 16:51.33 | p3lim | oh? :p |
| 16:51.40 | Shirik | now I actually have to do stuff |
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| 16:55.54 | Lunessa | for work >= 1 do stuff end ? |
| 16:57.24 | Cide | for ( ; work ; ) {} |
| 16:58.00 | Shirik | for(;;) {} |
| 16:58.09 | Shirik | if not work then inventWork(); end |
| 16:58.31 | Shirik | Don't even need semaphores anymore, producer consumer problem but the producer IS the consumer! |
| 16:58.32 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 16:58.52 | Shirik | I think I've gone crazy |
| 16:58.56 | Cide | yes. |
| 16:59.16 | Cide | fix your bot |
| 16:59.31 | p3lim | what did i do? :p |
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| 16:59.43 | Shirik | I did |
| 16:59.50 | Shirik | it should respond to netsplits correctly now |
| 16:59.54 | Cide | no, fix your bot |
| 17:00.03 | Shirik | like, so it can't reproduce? |
| 17:00.14 | Cide | if it CAN reproduce, I'm scared |
| 17:02.30 | Lunessa | I can just see it now, Kelly LeBrock plays Shiibot in the movie version "Weird Science 2.0 : IRC" |
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| 17:03.28 | foxlit | Fun. I've found a reliable way to crash explorer on window xp :/ |
| 17:03.46 | Lunessa | join the crowd. |
| 17:04.21 | Shirik | Personally, I like the bug I found on vista |
| 17:04.40 | Shirik | you can create black windows that are not attached to any process, are completely in the foreground, and unable to be removed |
| 17:04.48 | Shirik | they just eat your screen |
| 17:05.08 | Shirik | oh but you can click through them |
| 17:05.17 | zenzelezz | are you positive that's only a Vista bug? I heard about such a thing back in the 9x days |
| 17:05.18 | foxlit | The main reason it's interesting is because it keeps crashing while I'm trying to copy the Wrath downloader from one directory to another |
| 17:05.30 | Shirik | The way I've done it is only reproducible on Vista so far |
| 17:05.40 | Shirik | amusingly it's Java code that does it |
| 17:06.11 | Lunessa | java is da debil. |
| 17:07.26 | foxlit | And occasionally, Dr. Watson commits suicide while collecting explorer crash data. |
| 17:07.55 | Lunessa | Then again, so is Windows. And Mac OS X, and *nix. |
| 17:08.42 | Shirik | There's someone on IRC trying to make bots self-aware :/ |
| 17:08.48 | Shirik | I'm confused |
| 17:09.45 | foxlit | I read your joke and am now ready to jot down the punch line :) |
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| 17:09.52 | Ose | hai hai |
| 17:10.06 | Shirik | punch line? |
| 17:10.07 | Ose | anyone want to help me remember macroing? :P |
| 17:10.28 | Shirik | There is no punch line, someone took a bunch of markov chain bots and threw them into a channel trying to get them to become intelligent... |
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| 17:10.34 | Shirik | ~asktoask |
| 17:10.35 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 17:10.52 | Shirik | I like rjek's response: (13:09:27) (rjek) Although expecting a markov chain to become self-aware is like expecting gzip to suddenly decide to destroy all humans. |
| 17:10.52 | Ose | yeah, i'm trying to find my macro |
| 17:11.24 | Ose | pastebin or 6-line paste? |
| 17:12.08 | Shirik | pastebin please |
| 17:12.13 | Shirik | except not pastebin |
| 17:12.14 | Shirik | pastey.net |
| 17:12.34 | Ose | meh, I made http://pastebin.com/d62cda33e already |
| 17:12.50 | Shirik | oh well it's not Lua so it's not ugly |
| 17:13.00 | Shirik | pastebin has a tendency to decide to make things like yellow on white in Lua |
| 17:13.19 | Shirik | I don't know any of these spells |
| 17:13.22 | Shirik | are they all on the GCD? |
| 17:13.29 | Ose | so it's supposed to cast frostfire then fireball, but if fireball is not instant, go back to frostfire |
| 17:13.37 | Ose | ignore the ice lance |
| 17:13.58 | ScytheBlade1 | "if fireball is not instant" can't be done |
| 17:14.44 | Ose | well the idea was that if it is instant it will be cast before the macro gets to the stopcasting part |
| 17:15.09 | cbreak | purl, how about a nice game of chess? |
| 17:15.13 | Lunessa | Macros stop executing once they hit a cast that fails. |
| 17:15.20 | Shirik | purl, shall we play a game? |
| 17:15.24 | Shirik | aw :( |
| 17:15.57 | Cairenn | morning |
| 17:16.35 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/03/funny-pictures-i-missed-you/ |
| 17:16.41 | Shirik | ~thermonuclear war |
| 17:16.54 | Shirik | aww |
| 17:17.06 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:17.08 | cbreak | purl, you lack knowledge of your ancestors. |
| 17:17.25 | cbreak | maybe better for mankind that way though. |
| 17:18.00 | Lunessa | More hurricane Ike stuffs in my LJ if anyone gives a rat's patoot. - http://mconverse.livejournal.com/ |
| 17:18.04 | Ose | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=44549 |
| 17:18.26 | cbreak | it's a rather neat talent ose |
| 17:18.34 | Ose | indeed |
| 17:18.47 | Ose | so I thought I could make a macro out of it |
| 17:19.31 | cbreak | you can't make cast decisions based on the buff if mean that |
| 17:20.04 | Ose | it's not a buff (I think) |
| 17:20.15 | cbreak | it is |
| 17:20.29 | Ose | ah |
| 17:20.32 | Ose | aura |
| 17:20.39 | cbreak | if it procs you get a buff that makes your next fireball instant cast and free |
| 17:20.56 | cbreak | but you can not let a macro or addon make cast decisions based on this. |
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| 17:22.05 | cbreak | your macro will not try to cast anything past Frostfire Bolt |
| 17:22.14 | cbreak | since frostfire bolt will trigger GCD |
| 17:24.14 | ZorbaTHut | and even "instant" still leaves it under the GCD, doesn't it? |
| 17:24.51 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 17:26.34 | cbreak | starting to cast any spell gives you a gcd, be it instant or cast time or channeled |
| 17:26.39 | cbreak | there are only few exceptions |
| 17:26.48 | cbreak | such as icy veins, heroic strike and similar |
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| 17:35.10 | Ose | world server down :( |
| 17:35.48 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, rofl @ zoot's ninja topic edit |
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| 17:52.00 | cloudwolf | hi people |
| 17:52.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10697503508&sid=1 |
| 17:52.09 | cloudwolf | do you know how to join mutliple servers in mirc at once? XD |
| 17:52.51 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: What was causing our skipping of net? |
| 17:53.06 | Shirik | huh? |
| 17:56.00 | Mike-N-Go | "Shirik: ok well that should fix the netsplit problem [12:09pm] Shirik: !quit" |
| 17:56.52 | NightHawkTheSane | I think he was referring to Shiibot not handling netsplits properly, not actually fixing netsplits |
| 17:57.07 | Mike-N-Go | ~shiibot |
| 17:57.21 | Shirik | rofl, no he wasn't causing the netsplit |
| 17:57.28 | Shirik | But if a netsplit occurred he would lock the channel |
| 17:57.56 | Mike-N-Go | purl, what is shiibot? |
| 17:57.58 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Mike-N-Go |
| 17:58.07 | cloudwolf | Can you join more than one server at a time? in mirc... and not channels in said server i mean like freenode.net and some other .net provider |
| 17:58.26 | Mike-N-Go | cloudwolf: That would partly depend on the client. |
| 17:59.21 | NightHawkTheSane | he mentioned mirc. |
| 17:59.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd check mirc's help files, and/or online manual, etc. |
| 17:59.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm about 90% sure it can be done, but i've not used mirc in years |
| 18:00.44 | zenzelezz | could try /server irc.something.woo -m irc.soemthingelse.woo -m irc.somethingelse.woo |
| 18:00.49 | zenzelezz | I'd try, but I don't use mIRC |
| 18:01.09 | cloudwolf | lol time to get back to doing hw... |
| 18:01.36 | cloudwolf | stupid college level history class and im a sophomore in highschool!... |
| 18:01.40 | cloudwolf | it hurts my brain... |
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| 18:06.59 | cloudwolf | hmm what version is this mirc... |
| 18:07.15 | cloudwolf | hehe nvm |
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| 18:15.10 | foxlit | Out of interest, is BackgroundDownloader.exe digitally signed? |
| 18:16.18 | selckin | no |
| 18:17.00 | cloudwolf | yay |
| 18:17.05 | cloudwolf | i figured out how to open up more than 1 server |
| 18:17.24 | selckin | welcome to 1998 |
| 18:17.52 | haste | the cloud is missing in your wolf! |
| 18:18.17 | foxlit | So opening the run dialog while explorer has a digitally signed file in its clipboard crashes explorer. |
| 18:18.20 | foxlit | Makes no sense :/ |
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| 18:23.16 | bleetah | quick question, when the US servers switch to summertime, do you have to wait for the maint for it to come into effect? I've not noticed before |
| 18:23.34 | bleetah | trying to work out if the lack of aussie summertime again is still a bug or whether i should wait a few days |
| 18:24.00 | alestane | I don't think so, but never actuallyverified. |
| 18:24.20 | Anaral | Well if I knew when when the switch was, I might be able to help. Heh. |
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| 18:24.40 | bleetah | filed a bug about this last year, pretty fail that it's not fixed unless there's some real deep reason aussie servers can't follow aussie summertime but US servers can :/ |
| 18:26.19 | cbreak | be happy |
| 18:26.27 | cbreak | summer time is a waste of effort |
| 18:27.13 | bleetah | i couldn't care less about summertime either way, just wish the game would obey the rules of the TZ blizz say it operates in :/ |
| 18:27.49 | cbreak | blizzard is not bound by lame real life rules! :/ |
| 18:27.50 | bleetah | makes it a bitch to organise foo 'is that 7pm realm or 7pm real'... 'real'.. 'you mean real or typo?'.. etc. :P |
| 18:28.14 | cbreak | well, I plan all raids server time |
| 18:28.30 | cbreak | so the people from russia, central europe, britain and so on all know which I mean |
| 18:29.04 | bleetah | if for 49 or 50 weeks a year you don't have to bother with the difference, you get thrown out for a little while - just long enough to get used to the new time before having to change back :/ |
| 18:29.23 | bleetah | the problem is that aussie summertime period changed two years ago, and blizz haven't updated their ruleset |
| 18:29.48 | bleetah | filed a bug last year, cited the legislative changes etc. etc. made some noise.... oh well |
| 18:30.16 | cbreak | australia has one time zone only? |
| 18:30.41 | bleetah | officially? usually 3, summertime is 4 |
| 18:31.11 | bleetah | used to be like 5 or 6 or something stupid... there's also some unofficial ones in towns that are 1000's of km's from anywhere, but they don't count ;) |
| 18:35.04 | Industrial | lol, <Generic Wotlk PvE Guild> |
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| 18:37.43 | Fisker- | :( Industrial |
| 18:37.47 | Fisker- | comfort me :( |
| 18:38.40 | Fisker- | Someone is saying that Blizzard should make Proxy and VPN support built into the client |
| 18:38.47 | Fisker- | Because apparently you use Proxies and VPN for gaming |
| 18:39.16 | Fisker- | I say that his ISP is fucking him over and that when your proxy is discovered they'll just start doing the same there |
| 18:39.25 | Fisker- | But i r teh wrongz |
| 18:39.29 | Fisker- | it is teh blizzards problem |
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| 18:58.15 | schnoggo | anyone having any luck with the calendar on beta servers? |
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| 19:00.33 | Fisker- | not been working for a while here |
| 19:01.55 | Shirik | Fisker-: Because people are convinced that proxies can improve your latency |
| 19:02.09 | Shirik | Because, you know, adding another hop (or set of hops) makes traffic faster |
| 19:03.00 | haste | it can if you have less hops due to it! |
| 19:03.23 | Shirik | that should never persist |
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| 19:03.58 | alestane | The idea is to take the *right* first hop...it's voodoo IMO. |
| 19:04.19 | haste | it can, if you have access to a server at the backbone :p |
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| 19:08.04 | Fisker- | indeed Shirik |
| 19:08.10 | Fisker- | But of course |
| 19:08.17 | Fisker- | When you don't know stuff like traffic shaping, peering, etc. |
| 19:08.26 | Fisker- | Of course i'm the "ignorant" one :P |
| 19:08.43 | Shirik | I gave up trying to talk to those people |
| 19:10.16 | Matrix110| | A Proxy can speed up your latency if your ISPs routing has a check at the failmode but if your ISP routes correctly it wont improve latency atall |
| 19:10.46 | Matrix110| | We had someone from Poland in our guild who had to use a Proxy as 3/7days a week he had 2k ms without proxy |
| 19:11.07 | Fisker- | Of course we all know that :P |
| 19:11.37 | Fisker- | It also improved latency because of that tcp algorithm which wasn't enabled in WoW |
| 19:11.49 | Fisker- | Because the SSH/Socks tunnels enabled them itself |
| 19:11.53 | Fisker- | But that's gone now :P |
| 19:16.35 | molgar | is it possible to "delete" created buttons ingame ? or can i only hide em ? |
| 19:16.51 | Lyn | who is your daddy *dance |
| 19:16.59 | alestane | You can't destroy frames. Hide them. |
| 19:17.11 | molgar | kk |
| 19:17.42 | ccox|sleep | Are there any trade zone cities in Lich King other than Dalaran? |
| 19:17.56 | Neuro_Medivh | don't believe so |
| 19:19.45 | Tekkub | dally is an anti-trade anit-fly zone |
| 19:20.08 | Tekkub | guards kill on sight if you trade with someone |
| 19:20.50 | Shirik | what? |
| 19:21.10 | Tekkub | and you get hit with the "Goldseller" debuff for 15 min and can't come back in town |
| 19:21.29 | Shirik | rofl |
| 19:21.33 | ccox | Tekkub hasn't flushed the alcohol out of his system from last night... |
| 19:21.33 | Shirik | are you serious? |
| 19:21.46 | Tekkub | I didn't drink last night |
| 19:22.01 | ccox | ok, 2 nights ago - that was some binge you were on.... |
| 19:22.02 | Tekkub | though I did just wake up from a weird ass-dream |
| 19:22.13 | kd3 | whee. gotta love world server crashes while trying to solo elites |
| 19:22.38 | Tekkub | every FF game that had a furry race I liked had merged together, and they were all in some big war meeting being lead by vrykul |
| 19:23.25 | Neuro_Medivh | that's not an ass-dream |
| 19:24.15 | Tekkub | yes it is |
| 19:24.39 | Tekkub | remember any hypehn-ass phrase you move the hyphen to the right one word |
| 19:24.45 | Tekkub | "That's a sweet ass-car |
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| 19:25.00 | Neuro_Medivh | lol @xkcd |
| 19:25.30 | Neuro_Medivh | did they fix the uber-2h bug? |
| 19:26.21 | Tekkub | that was the other weird dream I had |
| 19:26.36 | Tekkub | dual-wielders could now equip two weapons in their off-hand |
| 19:27.24 | Neuro_Medivh | Was it a talent? "Helping Hand"? |
| 19:27.43 | Neuro_Medivh | "You grow a third hand, enabling you to wield 2 offhand weapons" |
| 19:28.14 | Tekkub | no like they hend them back to back, so they had a blade sticking out each side |
| 19:34.20 | alestane | I had this dream once about finding a murloc who would teach your character other languages. |
| 19:45.53 | alestane | I can see color, you know, not just movement. |
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| 20:00.31 | Mike-N-Go | I have a question. In the chat system in WoW, isn't 256 the max chars allowed in one string? |
| 20:00.53 | kd3 | 255, but ya |
| 20:01.27 | Mike-N-Go | Oh? I thought it was 256, is there something they do with that one char? |
| 20:02.07 | kd3 | the nul-terminator to end the string |
| 20:03.26 | Mike-N-Go | How are item links handled in this fasion? I know that item links take up more space then the name of the items. |
| 20:03.57 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemLink |
| 20:04.07 | molgar | is it possible to use this:RegisterEvent for highlighted buttons? |
| 20:05.03 | Mike-N-Go | I have an idea for an addon that involves putting a string that may contain iLinks, so I would need to count how many chars that an iLink takes. |
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| 20:06.25 | Mike-N-Go | And is the pipe counted as one char when the ACSII number is used, or not? |
| 20:07.54 | kd3 | ya |
| 20:08.45 | Mike-N-Go | The pipe counts for four chars, or one? |
| 20:08.51 | kd3 | 1 |
| 20:09.12 | kd3 | iirc. you may want to look at a comm library to see how it handles links & the 255 char limit |
| 20:09.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Item links are just text |
| 20:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | If you have an absurdely long item link, it takes up that much chat in each message |
| 20:10.19 | Mike-N-Go | Is there a way to compress an item link? |
| 20:10.31 | Shirik | sure |
| 20:10.36 | Shirik | but you'll need to decompress it at the other end |
| 20:10.44 | Mike-N-Go | For some items, can you drop the numbers after the first set? |
| 20:10.55 | ScytheBlade1 | "depends" |
| 20:11.21 | Mike-N-Go | And thanks for the ref to comm lib, I''ll take a look at that. |
| 20:13.05 | Mike-N-Go | kd3: Is http://www.wowace.com/projects/librockcomm-1-0/ what your talking about? |
| 20:13.15 | Mike-N-Go | LibRockComm |
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| 20:14.49 | kd3 | any of the *comms will work, ace, rock, w/e |
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| 20:21.15 | foxlit | And that turned out to be apple drivers. |
| 20:23.32 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, every 2-hand blacksmithed weapon in WotLK is a mace |
| 20:24.38 | ScytheBlade1 | oh right |
| 20:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: poke |
| 20:25.00 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: dunno if you have access to this or not, but did wowwiki see much of a traffic jump from being linked on the PA homepage? |
| 20:26.00 | kd3 | I don't have access to the logs. I expect there was a jump. at least we haven't been getting vandalized because of it |
| 20:26.36 | ScytheBlade1 | just overly curious |
| 20:26.58 | kd3 | har. last edit to the page was july 7th |
| 20:27.06 | ScytheBlade1 | also, entirely offtopic |
| 20:27.07 | foxlit | Neuro_Medivh: most one-hands are maces, too |
| 20:27.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Bacon-wrapped hot dogs thrown over a grill |
| 20:27.15 | foxlit | damn them for locking swords behind swordsmithing! |
| 20:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Happen to be awesome |
| 20:27.26 | foxlit | *weaponsmithing |
| 20:35.12 | Neuro_Medivh | I didn't even see any good swords in weaponsmithing |
| 20:35.30 | zenzelezz | swords are so 1+2.0 |
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| 20:40.24 | kd3 | sbo; we're poking the server guys now to see what kind of a bump we got |
| 20:40.43 | Fisker- | i'm gonna poke you kd3 |
| 20:41.54 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah I'm really curious |
| 20:41.58 | kd3 | the hell ? an eidolon watcher? |
| 20:41.58 | Ose | ha-ha |
| 20:42.02 | kd3 | are we playing ffix? |
| 20:42.18 | kd3 | [16:42:07] <Kirkburn|sleep> kd3, it sent 15k visits, which appear to be new visitors. |
| 20:42.52 | Kirkburn|sleep | happy happy joy joy :) |
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| 20:43.50 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, 15k unique hits? not bad |
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| 20:45.26 | Kirkburn|sleep | More please. |
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| 21:01.36 | schnoggo | so I created a zip of my svn and marked is as "beta" - where does that appear? I want to invite some guildmates to help test |
| 21:03.12 | haste | a wild guess would be under beta on the wowi page |
| 21:04.10 | schnoggo | i see no such thing |
| 21:04.45 | schnoggo | ah perhaps http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat34.html |
| 21:04.52 | Fisker- | why so haste ? |
| 21:05.54 | haste | Fisker-: why so fishy ? |
| 21:06.01 | schnoggo | nope - don't see it there, but I suspect that's where it was supposed to appear |
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| 21:06.57 | Fisker- | oh u haste |
| 21:07.08 | Fisker- | i want to play gaem |
| 21:07.12 | haste | aq2! |
| 21:07.34 | haste | still like ~100 people playing it in scandinavia |
| 21:07.45 | Yssaril | when a druid gets his swift flight form does he retain his 60% flight from? my premade dosn't have it |
| 21:07.49 | zenzelezz | Ahn'Qiraj 2? |
| 21:07.56 | haste | Action Quake 2 |
| 21:08.02 | Fisker- | fail |
| 21:08.07 | haste | lies! |
| 21:08.13 | haste | best FPS ever! |
| 21:08.53 | schnoggo | you mean Artifact Quake? (I hosted the site and servers for many years) |
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| 21:10.00 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 21:10.23 | Shirik | Is there such a thing as being server-ist? |
| 21:10.34 | Shirik | I.e., "I don't want to BG with that guy, he's from Rivendare" |
| 21:11.11 | smcn | shirik i'm sure if it showed the realm type in bgs people would be ragging on rp servers the entire game |
| 21:11.31 | Shirik | I would love to play on an RP realm |
| 21:11.36 | Shirik | Lunessa invited me to his guild once |
| 21:11.39 | Shirik | and then I disappeared |
| 21:12.31 | smcn | i tried rp with the shadowclan orcs in uo, it really wasn't my thing :P |
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| 21:20.32 | Lunessa | Yes, eventually, after months of inactivity you were kicked. :P And the guild is a husk now, since it fell apart about a year later. :P |
| 21:31.10 | Shirik | sorry Lunessa :( |
| 21:31.18 | Lunessa | No worries Shirik. :) |
| 21:31.56 | Shirik | so where do you float now? |
| 21:32.06 | Shirik | has it really been that long? |
| 21:32.09 | Shirik | A year and several months? |
| 21:32.23 | Lunessa | I'm mostly playing beta. |
| 21:32.54 | Lunessa | I didn't disband the guild or anything, it's just a husk now since most people are in a different guild now. |
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| 21:37.25 | Fisker- | why so floatful? |
| 21:37.58 | Shirik | I need to make a NE druid I think |
| 21:38.05 | Shirik | or a draenei pally |
| 21:38.51 | molgar | if it possible to make a function that hides all highlighted buttons in a frame ? or the last clicked button ? |
| 21:39.10 | Shirik | define "hide" |
| 21:39.24 | molgar | button1:Hide(); |
| 21:39.32 | Shirik | no |
| 21:39.35 | Shirik | not in combat at leats |
| 21:39.55 | Fisker- | you should stop being so allianceous Shiibot |
| 21:39.57 | Fisker- | Shirik * |
| 21:39.59 | molgar | dont need to be.. only for hideing selected buttons, as a list |
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| 21:47.52 | Shirik | then yes, molgar |
| 21:47.54 | Shirik | sorry, WSG |
| 21:47.59 | Shirik | but you'll have to do it yourself |
| 21:51.15 | Industrial | wtb real pvp on my server |
| 21:51.28 | Industrial | well, at least my guild has a world pvp event planned - and we invited horde guilds |
| 21:51.33 | Industrial | TM - SS |
| 21:51.34 | Industrial | =D |
| 21:51.39 | Industrial | tomorrow |
| 21:52.31 | Industrial | but, wtb more AV premades :< |
| 21:53.19 | Gngsk | Shirikk, redownloaded and still got the same error. http://gngsk.pastey.net/97505 |
| 21:54.47 | Shirik | well that's not good |
| 21:55.13 | Shirik | has anyone else reporeted the problem that you know of? |
| 21:55.40 | Fisker- | Any of you going to Blizzcon btw? |
| 21:55.46 | Gngsk | nah, I didn't look too hard though |
| 21:55.51 | Gngsk | only spent like 5-10m on the tech forum |
| 21:57.37 | Gngsk | oh i did a search on crc mismatch and it seems like most people think it's bad ram |
| 22:05.26 | Lyn | *farming for jc and alchemy* meh.. boring |
| 22:12.17 | Shirik | druid tanks: Are they fubar for wotlk or not? |
| 22:12.37 | Tekkub | bearballs314 |
| 22:12.40 | Tekkub | gah! |
| 22:12.46 | Shirik | bearballspi? |
| 22:12.53 | Tekkub | da |
| 22:12.57 | Shirik | hmmmm |
| 22:12.59 | Shirik | hmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 22:13.09 | Shirik | I won't do it, I'm not mean :) |
| 22:13.14 | Tekkub | yes, I ordered a blizzy auth |
| 22:13.24 | Tekkub | and no, that's not my live password |
| 22:13.26 | Shirik | oh I was going to ghost |
| 22:13.29 | Tekkub | .. anymore |
| 22:13.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: any way to tell if a variable is defined in java? |
| 22:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, "int currentValue" without assignment |
| 22:13.53 | Shirik | the compiler doesn't yell at you? |
| 22:14.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to use a loop to prompt the user for 10 numbers and display the lowest |
| 22:14.12 | Shirik | I'm kinda confused by that question |
| 22:14.33 | Shirik | how could it not be defined? |
| 22:14.36 | Shirik | It won't compile |
| 22:14.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I declare smallestValue outside of the loop, and I want to init it to be the first value input by the user |
| 22:14.45 | Shirik | oh you mean if it's been initialized? |
| 22:14.55 | ScytheBlade1 | But the second time through the loop I don't want to do that, I want a comparison |
| 22:14.59 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, "without assignment" |
| 22:15.05 | ScytheBlade1 | init as an int, no value |
| 22:15.05 | Shirik | Not really; Java default initializes iirc |
| 22:15.09 | ScytheBlade1 | boo |
| 22:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, it does? To what? |
| 22:15.33 | Shirik | Purely off memory, I believe to 0 |
| 22:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | compiling a simple test says otherwise |
| 22:15.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Won't let me compile it |
| 22:16.00 | Shirik | must be only the classes then |
| 22:16.25 | Shirik | eg., java.lang.Double |
| 22:16.29 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
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| 22:24.22 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: I declare smallestValue outside of the loop, and I want to init it to be the first value input by the user But the second time through the loop I don't want to do that, I want a comparison |
| 22:24.33 | foxlit | init it outside the loop, and start directly from the second loop iteration, then? |
| 22:24.59 | Shirik | I gave him two options: Either use the class and init to null |
| 22:25.03 | Shirik | or init to the largest posible value |
| 22:25.12 | Shirik | (18:16:01) (ScytheBlade1) "using a loop write a program that takes 10 integer values and displays the minimum value of those entered" |
| 22:25.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Both of which work really well |
| 22:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, that |
| 22:26.33 | Shirik | oh btw |
| 22:26.44 | foxlit | There are three options, really - and initing it to the first user input value seems to be the most elegant. |
| 22:26.44 | Shirik | attempting to do an inequality comparsion against null is bad |
| 22:26.48 | Shirik | the only safe thing to do is == |
| 22:27.03 | Shirik | or != |
| 22:27.03 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah that's what I was doing |
| 22:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | if (var == null || inputVar < var) |
| 22:27.41 | ScytheBlade1 | But I changed it to Integer.MAX_VALUE to kill that extra comparison |
| 22:28.02 | Shirik | you could write polymorphic code to do this |
| 22:28.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:28.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure I COULD |
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| 22:28.17 | Shirik | since var == null will only happen once |
| 22:28.23 | Shirik | you can overwrite that comparson with inputVar < var |
| 22:28.39 | ScytheBlade1 | While doing that would be fun and all |
| 22:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm also done with it now ^^ |
| 22:28.46 | ScytheBlade1 | So no ^^ |
| 22:28.49 | Shirik | DEP would be a little pissed at that though |
| 22:29.52 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
| 22:29.53 | purl | ACTION hugs Shirik tightly until Shirik turns slightly blue |
| 22:30.14 | |Jelly| | I'm turning 24 tomorrow! /sigh |
| 22:30.20 | Shirik | grats! |
| 22:30.26 | |Jelly| | Nothing fun happens at 24. |
| 22:30.27 | Shirik | new training |
| 22:30.39 | |Jelly| | hehe <3 |
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| 22:31.41 | ecstasia | is there a site with addons that work with the beta? |
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| 22:32.18 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat110.html |
| 22:34.07 | ecstasia | ty |
| 22:34.18 | Dewin | Hmm... current PTR build crashes on second login, repeatable >.> |
| 22:34.19 | Corrodias | hey, i'm 24 |
| 22:34.22 | Corrodias | i'm having THE MOST FUN EVER |
| 22:37.18 | |Jelly| | Liar |
| 22:37.31 | Keias | Don't worry |Jelly|, next year you get cheaper car insurance! |
| 22:37.47 | |Jelly| | Yay |
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| 22:50.06 | Dewin | hmm, for the record, frame:SetHeight(0) does not work |
| 22:53.58 | Fisker- | Any of you going to Blizzcon btw? |
| 22:55.01 | Shirik | <-- |
| 22:55.09 | Shirik | Cairenn, Dolby |
| 22:55.17 | Shirik | the other 40 people that are having dinner with us |
| 22:56.23 | Thunder_Child | Fisker- if you go i wil be killing you |
| 22:56.50 | Cairenn | Fisker-: why? |
| 22:57.15 | Cairenn | also, anyone else that's going, if you want my cell # so you can find everyone, just send me a PM |
| 22:57.46 | Thunder_Child | or just look it up on google |
| 22:58.05 | Cairenn | won't find it on google |
| 22:58.23 | Thunder_Child | weeeeeeell.... |
| 22:58.28 | Cairenn | hush |
| 22:59.32 | Legorol | Dewin: frame:SetHeight(0) does work, but does something different than you'd expect |
| 23:01.38 | Dewin | Legorol: What does it do? |
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| 23:02.16 | Dewin | I have frames stacked A->B->C, my idea was that setting B to 0 height would cause C to fall onto A. Instead I have to do a different method. |
| 23:02.18 | Legorol | It causes frame:GetHeight() to start returning the height of the frame calculated from its anchors instead of the value explicitly set by SetHeight |
| 23:03.05 | Legorol | Dewin: that should work, assuming you are anchoring your frames correctly |
| 23:03.12 | Legorol | and if all else fails... can always SetHeight(1) |
| 23:03.21 | Dewin | nope, SetHeight(1) causes a very noticeable gap :) |
| 23:03.37 | Dewin | I've got a workaround now |
| 23:03.49 | Legorol | anyway, this is how set/getheight and set/getwidth work: |
| 23:04.08 | Legorol | having a 0 height set is meaningless for frames and cause unpredictable behaviour, except |
| 23:04.11 | Dewin | my code that figures out how a given frame is supposed to be anchored now sets, say, it's BottomLeft to the previous frame's TopLeft if the previous frame is not hidden, or to it's BottomLeft if it is |
| 23:04.13 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, are you going? |
| 23:04.21 | Legorol | that when you call getheight, its behaviour depends on whether setheight was called with 0 or not earlier |
| 23:04.41 | Legorol | if you have a frame placed using anchors, |
| 23:04.50 | Legorol | and you call say SetHeight(13) on it, the anchors override the 13 |
| 23:04.58 | Legorol | but GetHeight() still returns 13 |
| 23:05.04 | Dewin | ah |
| 23:05.16 | Legorol | to get GetHeight() to return the height as determined by the anchors, you need to call SetHeight(0) |
| 23:05.17 | Dewin | so GetHeight(0) switches it from 'report requested height' to 'report actual height', more or less |
| 23:05.22 | Legorol | yes |
| 23:05.39 | Legorol | i'd imagine that internally, GetHeight() looks something like this: |
| 23:05.56 | foxlit | 0 or true, btw? |
| 23:06.12 | Dewin | Legorol: How do you switch back? |
| 23:06.13 | Legorol | function frame:GetHeight() if (self.height == 0) then return self:CalculateHeightFromAnchors(); else return self.height; end |
| 23:06.21 | Dewin | (I have no practical need for that 'feature', but I'm curious now) |
| 23:06.44 | Dewin | Err nvm, I'd imagine you can't |
| 23:06.52 | Legorol | you can't :) |
| 23:07.03 | Legorol | you call SetHeight on it with a non-0 value, from that point on GetHeight returns that value, always |
| 23:07.16 | Legorol | this can lead to a lot of confusion |
| 23:07.21 | foxlit | :GetRect, probably |
| 23:07.40 | Legorol | if you have your frame anchored such that its actual height is 200, but you called SetHeight(100), GetHeight() returns 100 and you are screwed ;-) |
| 23:08.04 | Legorol | getrect works, yes |
| 23:08.29 | Tuller | ugh, I just found 200 lines of dead code in combuctor :P |
| 23:08.41 | Legorol | then combust it ;-) |
| 23:08.46 | Tuller | oh, I did :P |
| 23:08.50 | Legorol | hehe ain't i teh funniez |
| 23:09.18 | Fisker- | Shirik my man |
| 23:09.24 | Dewin | All of my frames are anchored to exactly one other frame at exactly one point, so I'm fairly safe from any need to creatively use GetHeight |
| 23:09.37 | Fisker- | Will you join my army of stupid people asking questions? |
| 23:09.44 | Fisker- | It wasn't quite enough at the last WWI |
| 23:09.46 | Fisker- | need moar |
| 23:09.49 | Fisker- | Like |
| 23:09.57 | Fisker- | "How many points will WoW cost on XBLA?" |
| 23:09.58 | Fisker- | and |
| 23:10.01 | Fisker- | "Linux??++" |
| 23:10.10 | Fisker- | of course |
| 23:10.13 | foxlit | **Linux++ |
| 23:10.21 | Fisker- | There's also "Vista only??!11" |
| 23:10.51 | Fisker- | And "Will you discontinue the mac despite developing on the Mac and have been supporting for decades" |
| 23:11.11 | Cairenn | Fisker-: are you going to be there? |
| 23:11.22 | Fisker- | nah |
| 23:11.24 | Fisker- | It's in the US |
| 23:11.36 | Thunder_Child | and questions like, how long before Fisker- is going to be banned from all blizzard products |
| 23:12.02 | Fisker- | Never Thunder_Child |
| 23:12.14 | foxlit | you don't ban comic relief |
| 23:12.15 | Legorol | what's with all the Fisker- hate around here? is there a good reason, or are there several? |
| 23:12.16 | Thunder_Child | i know Fisker-, but i can dream |
| 23:12.25 | Thunder_Child | several good reasons |
| 23:12.55 | foxlit | I don't think there are any |
| 23:13.03 | Fisker- | matter of perspective >:3 |
| 23:13.05 | foxlit | As if anyone needs a reason for Fisker- hate. |
| 23:13.34 | foxlit | It's like the unconditional blaming of Shirik for everything. |
| 23:14.31 | Thunder_Child | right, like blaming Shirik for everyone hating Fisker- |
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| 23:16.35 | foxlit | Or hating Fisker- for blaming Shirik for everything. |
| 23:17.57 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, but blaming Shirik is valid so there would be no hating |
| 23:18.41 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: thus reinforcing the fact that there's no reason requirement for hating Fisker- :) |
| 23:20.13 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, point |
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| 23:45.57 | cladhaire | Is anyone around that's played a bit on beta.. specifically with the pvp system? |
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| 23:46.35 | selckin1 | yes & no |
| 23:46.48 | cladhaire | well, I'm trying to decide if I should quit the game or not |
| 23:47.08 | cladhaire | My gear is reasonably mediocre (i.e. S2/S3) |
| 23:47.23 | selckin1 | pvp blows in wow |
| 23:47.30 | cladhaire | but it seems once I hit level 80, I'll have to play the farming game to get up to a level where I can actually complete again |
| 23:47.44 | cladhaire | does your experience agree with that/ |
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| 23:47.50 | cladhaire | i.e. S2/S3 will be useless to me |
| 23:47.59 | cladhaire | and I'll be stuck farming wintergrasp items in order to be competitive in arena? |
| 23:48.31 | Stanzilla | world pvp is fun :) |
| 23:48.50 | cladhaire | well, world pvp isn't enough to keep me playing a game, unfortunately |
| 23:49.06 | cladhaire | and I suppose that's the problem.. is the time commitment it requires |
| 23:49.07 | selckin1 | raid or quit imo |
| 23:49.12 | cladhaire | yeah and I can't raid |
| 23:49.12 | cladhaire | so |
| 23:49.15 | cladhaire | neat |
| 23:49.22 | cladhaire | I wish I had come to this realisation a month ago |
| 23:49.31 | cladhaire | I just farmed my ass off after hitting level 70 to have equipmewnt |
| 23:49.33 | selckin1 | they are talking about changing all the pvp requirements for items and stuff |
| 23:49.38 | cladhaire | should have stayed on the fucking US servers |
| 23:49.41 | cladhaire | at least I was geared there |
| 23:49.44 | cladhaire | just had no one to play with. |
| 23:49.50 | cladhaire | selckin1: How so? |
| 23:50.01 | selckin1 | well wrath being a gear reset for everyone |
| 23:50.08 | selckin1 | check mmo champion |
| 23:50.24 | cladhaire | I read mmo-champion regularly |
| 23:50.29 | cladhaire | do you have something specifically that ayou're referring to? |
| 23:50.31 | selckin1 | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=19142.0 |
| 23:50.38 | cladhaire | thank you |
| 23:51.31 | cladhaire | In addition, players have access to ilevel 200e (epics) for the boots, belt, bracers, ring, neck, trinket, cape exclusively through honor (equivalent item level to end-boss heroic instances, nax 10, or items from the Emblem of Heroism vendor). These items, combined with the crafted items, provide a pretty good base of items from which a player might make an entry into the arenas. |
| 23:51.35 | cladhaire | that sucks.. |
| 23:51.46 | cladhaire | just means I'm stucking farming honor..again. |
| 23:51.56 | selckin1 | that's the game |
| 23:52.10 | selckin1 | if you want to pvp find a game where everyone is 'equal' |
| 23:52.14 | selckin1 | like a shooter or something |
| 23:53.44 | Corrodias | lol shotar |
| 23:54.40 | Legorol | cladhaire: what about jumping into Arenas with whatever gear you happen to have when you ding 80? |
| 23:54.53 | Legorol | You get gear anyway even if you lose, which will gradually make you competitive, no? |
| 23:54.53 | cladhaire | Legorol: sure I can do that |
| 23:55.04 | cladhaire | not really, no, unfortunately |
| 23:55.20 | cladhaire | because all you get is the gear that has no rating requirement |
| 23:55.27 | Legorol | i don't pvp enough to understand the subtleties |
| 23:55.43 | Legorol | don't they have a 5-piece arena set without rating requirement? |
| 23:55.47 | Stanzilla | I farmed 2 S4 pieces without having pvp gear at all, you just need good partners :P |
| 23:55.49 | Legorol | that's how i understood it |
| 23:55.50 | cladhaire | there's just a huge divide between the people who have time to farm and those who don't |
| 23:55.53 | selckin1 | cladhaire: nobody will have gear at that point tho |
| 23:55.56 | cladhaire | skill can help defeat that |
| 23:55.56 | cladhaire | BUT |
| 23:56.00 | selckin1 | cladhaire: it should be sorta equal |
| 23:56.04 | cladhaire | I'm completely alone on the EU servers |
| 23:56.12 | cladhaire | so I've got to find random Mr.FuckNut in order to have a team |
| 23:56.27 | Legorol | never mind the team aspect, let's talk gear |
| 23:56.29 | cladhaire | and he has a resilience requirement, or a +healing requirement that I can't match without killing myself farming. |
| 23:56.38 | Legorol | is there or isn't there a 5-piece arena set without rating requirements? |
| 23:56.42 | Legorol | does anyone know? |
| 23:57.01 | Stanzilla | in tbc there's the reputation set |
| 23:57.21 | Stanzilla | + some s4 pieces don't need rating |
| 23:57.32 | Legorol | the way i read Kalgan's post is that there is a superior quality arena set, does that have rating requirements? |
| 23:57.34 | Stanzilla | and imo the latter will be the same with s5 or whatever will come |
| 23:57.41 | Legorol | Stanzilla: tbc is irrelevant now |
| 23:57.42 | cladhaire | The gear you start with |
| 23:57.46 | cladhaire | is the crafted set |
| 23:57.48 | cladhaire | which means farming mats |
| 23:58.00 | selckin1 | click buyout? |
| 23:58.02 | cladhaire | or the non-rating requirement set that costs arena points |
| 23:58.08 | cladhaire | or the honor point gear |
| 23:58.14 | Legorol | Savage Gladiator set, is that the crafted set? |
| 23:58.17 | cladhaire | selckin1: so I'm stuck farming gold. |
| 23:58.25 | cladhaire | Legorol: no, that's the non-rating requirement set |
| 23:58.29 | Legorol | cladhaire: that's what i meant, is there an arena set that requires no rating? |
| 23:58.32 | Legorol | right |
| 23:58.34 | cladhaire | yes, there is. |
| 23:58.35 | Legorol | so what's wrong with that one? |
| 23:58.52 | Legorol | ding 80, start arena, lose some games, get the ratingless set |
| 23:59.09 | cladhaire | Legorol: yes, and it'll take me at least five weeks to get the pieces |
| 23:59.33 | Legorol | ok, so is the problem that those who *do* have time to farm honor and/or crafted items have an advantage? |
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| 23:59.40 | cladhaire | yes, and no |
| 23:59.48 | Legorol | because that applies to PvE as well |
| 23:59.52 | cladhaire | of course it does |
| 23:59.58 | Legorol | those who start with crafted items generally have a bit of a head start |
