| 00:00.09 | jaxdahl2 | that's a possibility |
| 00:00.12 | Legorol | cbreak: indeed, but if it's not a deliberate attempt to screw people (which is rare), doing a /raidinfo is a sure way to check |
| 00:00.16 | jaxdahl2 | but if he had no reason to think he hadn't been saved, he wouldnt' have checked /raidinfo |
| 00:00.29 | Legorol | jaxdahl2: what I'm saying is there are loads of people who get it wrong |
| 00:00.32 | jaxdahl2 | i had even asked if anyone was saved before we went, and the leader asked the same thing too a couple minutes later |
| 00:00.39 | Legorol | lots of people claim and genuinely beleive they aren't saved to something |
| 00:00.39 | jaxdahl2 | yeah |
| 00:00.52 | Legorol | memory can be faulty, not understanding the mechanics/not being aware of the lockout period etc. |
| 00:01.07 | Legorol | that's why i like to make the raid leader do a /raidinfo to be sure |
| 00:01.24 | jaxdahl2 | does /raidinfo differentiate between normal/heroic yet? |
| 00:01.35 | Legorol | you don't get a saved ID to a normal instance |
| 00:01.38 | cbreak | you aren't saved to normal instances |
| 00:01.39 | Legorol | so there is nothign for it to differentiate |
| 00:01.42 | smcn | raids |
| 00:02.14 | cbreak | there are no heroic raids, that's why everyone moans when they can't enter kara, za or what ever when the leader has heroic set |
| 00:02.19 | bleeter | obvious best solution is obvious imo, if not downright annoying |
| 00:02.24 | Legorol | see, even jaxdahl2, who clearly knows a hell of a lot more about raid IDs than the average player, got the normal/heroic thing wrong |
| 00:02.42 | jaxdahl2 | cbreak |
| 00:02.46 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: there are heroic raids in wrath! |
| 00:02.47 | jaxdahl2 | normal = 10, heroic = 25 |
| 00:03.01 | Arrowmaster | really? |
| 00:03.03 | Legorol | oooh |
| 00:03.06 | jaxdahl2 | that's what they call it |
| 00:03.08 | Legorol | that's interesting |
| 00:03.10 | cbreak | interesting |
| 00:03.15 | Arrowmaster | i saw stuff about heroic 10 man and heroic 25 man |
| 00:03.18 | Arrowmaster | and normal 25 |
| 00:03.28 | jaxdahl2 | there's 'hard mode' 10 man |
| 00:03.33 | Legorol | in that case, i stand (or rather type) corrected |
| 00:03.36 | jaxdahl2 | ie, doing Sartharion with 3 drakes up |
| 00:03.50 | jaxdahl2 | (which is incredibly hard in practice) |
| 00:04.00 | Arrowmaster | is that how you get the hard mode achievements? |
| 00:04.15 | jaxdahl2 | there aren't many for 10 man, but there's some, yeah |
| 00:04.30 | jaxdahl2 | doing heigan dance with nobody dying, IIRC |
| 00:04.50 | jaxdahl2 | 8 man malygos? |
| 00:06.17 | jaxdahl2 | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=2049 |
| 00:06.27 | jaxdahl2 | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=2052 |
| 00:07.01 | jaxdahl2 | there's 'twilight duo' and 'the twilight zone' for 2 and 3 drakes, respectively |
| 00:07.13 | jaxdahl2 | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievements=14922 |
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| 00:10.34 | NightHawkTheSane | this is pretty awesome: http://www.ninakatchadourian.com/languagetranslation/sortedbooks-sharkjournal.php |
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| 00:18.31 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, Maelstrom weapon change isn't that huge of a nerf... in fact, the longer uptime might be considered a buff |
| 00:19.52 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, they finally nerfed flurry to warrior levels |
| 00:19.56 | Neuro_Medivh | sadface |
| 00:20.38 | Dashkal | Blizzard 180s on Honor: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10532279664-wrath-of-the-lich-king-honor-update.html |
| 00:21.06 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh |
| 00:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | "although those rewards will be significantly more expensive than their level 70 counterparts." |
| 00:21.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I approve |
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| 00:21.25 | Neuro_Medivh | now the reverse-QQ will begin |
| 00:21.38 | Neuro_Medivh | "I just spent all my honor cause I thought I would lose it!" |
| 00:22.03 | Dashkal | heh, not like there isn't enough time to cap it out before WotLK |
| 00:22.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532268981&sid=1&pageNo=9#164 |
| 00:22.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Maaven is my new hero |
| 00:22.41 | kd3 | hm... wonder what a debug zone map is? |
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| 00:25.51 | Adys | [03:20:50] <Neuro_Medivh> "I just spent all my honor cause I thought I would lose it!" |
| 00:25.53 | Adys | hahahah |
| 00:26.00 | Adys | Oh man, this is priceless |
| 00:27.11 | jaxdahl2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532268981&sid=1&pageNo=10#197 |
| 00:27.14 | jaxdahl2 | oh man |
| 00:28.06 | NightHawkTheSane | "Inferno now summons an infernal under the command of the caster for 1 minute. (Down from 5 minutes)" thats a big change.. |
| 00:28.28 | jaxdahl2 | first time a warlock casts inferno in 2 years? |
| 00:28.38 | Dashkal | Since when does that spell get used after the first time? |
| 00:28.50 | jaxdahl2 | i honestly cannot recall the last time i've seen a summoned infernal |
| 00:28.58 | Dashkal | I never have |
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| 00:29.06 | jaxdahl2 | used to see a bunch of them in ironforge |
| 00:29.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i see them periodically in cities when a lock feels like goofing off |
| 00:29.58 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, that's a buff |
| 00:30.00 | Neuro_Medivh | not a nerf |
| 00:30.01 | Dashkal | Socket XXXX - Cannot add more than one socket to an item. Can only add a socket to your own armor, and adding a socket binds the item to you. The added socket requires that you maintain 400 blacksmithing or it will become inactive. |
| 00:30.09 | Dashkal | Important detail that one |
| 00:30.17 | jaxdahl2 | ahh yeah |
| 00:30.18 | Dashkal | so much for socketing up your armor then switching profs |
| 00:30.33 | jaxdahl2 | necessary otherwise people will do that. |
| 00:30.35 | Neuro_Medivh | cause previously, when you summoned an infernal, you had to wait 5 minutes before it broke free and attacked people, now you only have to wait 1 minutes |
| 00:30.49 | Neuro_Medivh | s/minutes/minute/ |
| 00:30.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: zing |
| 00:31.56 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, vigilance transfers 10% of the target's threat to the warrior. |
| 00:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | that might make it worth slapping on a top dpser |
| 00:33.33 | Dashkal | "Chaos Bolt - Now does fire damage instead of chaos damage. " And the point is what now, exactly? |
| 00:33.35 | Neuro_Medivh | 20% threat swing |
| 00:33.50 | Neuro_Medivh | there's no chaos resistance |
| 00:33.54 | Neuro_Medivh | there IS fire resistance |
| 00:34.01 | Dashkal | exactly |
| 00:34.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: 20% threat swing for that one target, and a nice boost over every other dps. |
| 00:34.11 | Dashkal | The whole thing about chaos bolt was it was a resistance pierce |
| 00:34.22 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 00:34.30 | Neuro_Medivh | sounds like right hand not talking to the left hand |
| 00:34.54 | Dashkal | Congratulations. You now have a buffed version of your imp's spell from level one. |
| 00:34.54 | kd3 | thought chaos bolt was an immunity pierce... |
| 00:34.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: the guy doing chaos bolt -finally- got the "nerf locks" memo |
| 00:35.18 | NightHawkTheSane | (these things get clogged up in the tubes, you know, what with all the porn and piracy) |
| 00:35.24 | Dashkal | lol |
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| 00:36.44 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, enslave demon.. perhaps there was a spot this was abusable? |
| 00:38.14 | Dashkal | Oh yeah, the lock people are definitely on crack today "If the target yields experience or /honor/ when it dies from this damage, a Doomguard will be summoned. /Cannot be cast on players./ " |
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| 00:38.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: nah, im just they just used standard wording, and weren't paying attention |
| 00:39.12 | Dashkal | Crack has been known to kill your attention :p |
| 00:39.16 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 00:39.24 | NightHawkTheSane | im just saying, thats a fairly innocuous mistake :p |
| 00:39.24 | Neuro_Medivh | maybe they should make it so 71+ you earn VALOR points instead of HONOR |
| 00:39.32 | jaxdahl2 | when the heck are they going to make up their minds about what chaos bolt does |
| 00:40.06 | jaxdahl2 | "Players who save their Honor will be able to spend it on level 80 rewards, although those rewards will be significantly more expensive than their level 70 counterparts." finally they did the sane thing |
| 00:40.16 | Neuro_Medivh | jaxdahl: it's chaos bolt, that means it's unpredictable =) |
| 00:41.05 | jaxdahl2 | they should make it randomly do frost, fire, arcane, holy, shadow damage |
| 00:41.08 | jaxdahl2 | nature |
| 00:41.24 | Dashkal | I'd agree except chaos damage is well defined in wow lore. |
| 00:41.39 | jaxdahl2 | nothing retcon can't fix |
| 00:41.50 | Dashkal | ~lartzen |
| 00:41.55 | Dashkal | that should exist :p |
| 00:42.37 | jaxdahl2 | blade barrier change didn't make it in? |
| 00:44.14 | Neuro_Medivh | not yet |
| 00:44.17 | Neuro_Medivh | prolly next build |
| 00:44.41 | Neuro_Medivh | I must admit though, it's a bit late in the game to be making these broad changes |
| 00:44.54 | Neuro_Medivh | realistically, 2 weeks till 3.0 comes out |
| 00:44.56 | jaxdahl2 | http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0050020000000000000000000003250505103532112301000111351035200000000000000000000000000 |
| 00:45.05 | jaxdahl2 | probably going to try that this build |
| 00:48.46 | Tem|laptop | ooh! |
| 00:48.50 | Tem|laptop | do we have a build tonight? |
| 00:48.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: yes, no servers are not up |
| 00:48.58 | Dashkal | hrm, I can't decide about Dancing Rule Weapon... I think I may skip the last couple tiers this build and take more unholy |
| 00:49.02 | Tem|laptop | I'm still in class |
| 00:49.08 | Tem|laptop | so server presence is irrelevant |
| 00:49.15 | Tem|laptop | also I have a live raid when I get home |
| 00:49.24 | NightHawkTheSane | well, you know, just answering your preemptive question. ;) |
| 00:50.08 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, new build... shaman nerfed, rogues buffed, DKs no big changes |
| 00:50.29 | kd3 | wtf. deepfreeze is now only a stun? |
| 00:50.31 | kd3 | no damage at all? |
| 00:50.44 | jaxdahl2 | i need to test this too http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=0000000000000000000000000000050000000000000000000000000035230335003105250151023133151 |
| 00:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ... http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/its_about_fucking_time |
| 00:51.20 | Dashkal | hmm, I can get a pet as a nominally blood spec... might have to play with this |
| 00:51.31 | Dashkal | http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=2305021503003303230050013000000000000000000000000000000230030325020105000100000000000 |
| 00:51.46 | Dashkal | I wouldn't raid in it, but it look entertaining anyway |
| 00:51.58 | jaxdahl2 | Search results for "munsters" Nothing Found! |
| 00:52.25 | jaxdahl2 | did they do any tuning of ghoul damage? |
| 00:52.39 | Neuro_Medivh | Dashkal: lack of a tier 10 makes me sad |
| 00:52.42 | jaxdahl2 | Dashkal, i hate running without the expertise talent |
| 00:52.48 | jaxdahl2 | whichever tier i'm in |
| 00:52.59 | jaxdahl2 | s/tier/tree/ |
| 00:53.07 | Neuro_Medivh | agreed |
| 00:53.20 | Dashkal | yeah, that's why there's no chance in hell I'd raid with that |
| 00:53.38 | jaxdahl2 | i have over 700 hit rating in my +hit gear now :D |
| 00:53.55 | Dashkal | Stuffing all the expertise talents so deep really punishes multitree specs like that |
| 00:54.20 | jaxdahl2 | multitree may be viable later |
| 00:54.25 | jaxdahl2 | there's a crapton of expertise on gear |
| 00:54.39 | Dashkal | *nods* if I gear enough for it I might be able to make that thing actually work |
| 00:54.46 | NeoTron | ooh guile of gorefiend affecting howling blast |
| 00:54.49 | Neuro_Medivh | they shoulda slapped those three in tier 8 |
| 00:55.02 | Dashkal | I'll play with that while I quest tonight. See if I can make it work despite the handicap. |
| 00:55.15 | Neuro_Medivh | tier 8 still prevents you from taking 2 sets of expertise talents |
| 00:55.26 | Dashkal | yep |
| 00:55.43 | Adys | has deep freeze always had a 30 sec cooldown? |
| 00:55.50 | Adys | i thought it was 15 sec last build |
| 00:56.00 | Dashkal | That said, in a raid as blood, I wouldn't consider ignoring blood gorged |
| 00:56.09 | Dashkal | 10% damage for 5 talents points is not getting ignored |
| 00:56.27 | Neuro_Medivh | still can't decide what to raid as... Blood is what I'm most comfortable with, but people keep saying Unholy is where the dps is |
| 00:56.32 | Adys | kd3: any idea? |
| 00:56.59 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: my testing last night put blood a little ahead. Obviously this build might change that |
| 00:57.06 | Adys | [03:32:45] <Dashkal> "Chaos Bolt - Now does fire damage instead of chaos damage. " And the point is what now, exactly? |
| 00:57.26 | Adys | point is pretty much trying to make new mechanics before wotlk is released and not having time to do so |
| 00:57.31 | Adys | itll be reverted in 3.1 |
| 00:57.41 | Dashkal | Then they wasted destro lock's time |
| 00:57.58 | Adys | the patch is like 15-20 mb |
| 00:58.04 | Dashkal | And it's not like they don't have a ton of experience with non-resitable damage |
| 00:58.14 | Adys | its obvious its live in 2 weeks if not next week |
| 00:58.19 | jaxdahl2 | wandering plague does a TON of damage |
| 00:58.23 | Dashkal | Blizzcon |
| 00:58.24 | Dashkal | It'll wait |
| 00:58.33 | Neuro_Medivh | I actually agree with the idea of making Chaos Bolt a random resist |
| 00:58.38 | jaxdahl2 | http://jax2.zenblue.net/sws/sws-noth-1222574732/actor_0x0000000000094060.html |
| 00:58.56 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, 3.0 will drop oct 14th, right after blizzcon |
| 00:58.56 | jaxdahl2 | that's an unholy DK on noth, really shines since we tank the adds next to noth |
| 00:59.02 | jaxdahl2 | http://jax2.zenblue.net/sws/sws-noth-1222574732/index.html |
| 00:59.14 | Dashkal | *nods* it's insane in aoe. Single target blood still wins |
| 01:00.24 | cbreak | 56 mb |
| 01:00.27 | Dashkal | But if I were going for an AoE build there isn't a question nor option. You go unholy |
| 01:00.31 | cbreak | for WoW-3.0.2.8982-to-3.0.2.9014-enGB-patch.app |
| 01:00.36 | Dashkal | Poor frost... |
| 01:00.58 | jaxdahl2 | i do 'decent' dps in frost tank spec in my dps gear |
| 01:01.04 | Neuro_Medivh | frost got all boosts |
| 01:01.28 | Tem|laptop | jaxdahl, WP does great damage for one simple reason |
| 01:01.33 | Adys | cbreak: engb |
| 01:01.39 | jaxdahl2 | i'll see if i can keep the paladin tank from ripping aggro from me now |
| 01:01.40 | Tem|laptop | it scales quadratically with the number of mobs |
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| 01:01.51 | Adys | WoW-3.0.2.8982-to-3.0.2.9014-enUS-patch.exe 23.3MB |
| 01:01.53 | cbreak | Adys: yes, obviously :) |
| 01:02.02 | WobWork | http://www.firebox.com/PRIVOXY-FORCE/product/2204/Critter-Cruiser-and-Hamtrack?aff=512&awc=550_1222816937_7de383335fc109cee17c59f7346fcd73 |
| 01:02.05 | Adys | enGB has lots more files than enUS |
| 01:02.12 | Syzgyn | new patch? |
| 01:02.14 | cbreak | but I think the fact that it's for Mac OS X makes a bigger difference |
| 01:02.16 | Tem|laptop | X: Number of mobs, Y: Crit rate, Z: disease tick damage |
| 01:02.16 | Neuro_Medivh | all those extra 'u's in "armour", "colour", etc really add up! |
| 01:02.19 | Dashkal | ok, home time |
| 01:02.21 | Tem|laptop | WP = ZXXY |
| 01:02.26 | cbreak | since OS X has code for two platforms |
| 01:03.00 | Tem|laptop | so it doesn't really matter what Z and Y are, as long as you have that X^2 in there, WP will be amazing on large packs |
| 01:03.19 | Tem|laptop | last night, in MC, I pulled 3 of those imp packs near Lucifron |
| 01:03.31 | Tem|laptop | I did IT, PS, Pest |
| 01:03.39 | Tem|laptop | and then I watched as my dps went to like 9k |
| 01:03.47 | Tem|laptop | (while I sat and did nothing) |
| 01:03.56 | NeoTron | Adys: chaos bolt does more damage than shadow bolt. that's the point of chaos bolt |
| 01:04.25 | Adys | Its about completely reverting cool ideas, cool mechanics, etc etc |
| 01:04.30 | jaxdahl2 | tem, can the damage from WP cause another WP proc? |
| 01:04.35 | Tem|laptop | no |
| 01:04.36 | Adys | not because they cant balance it out, but because they dont have the time to do so |
| 01:04.47 | jaxdahl2 | then why is it x^2? |
| 01:05.11 | Tem|laptop | number of procs * number of mobs hit by the proc * damage of the proc |
| 01:05.18 | Tem|laptop | damage of the proc = Z |
| 01:05.25 | Tem|laptop | number of mobs hit = X |
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| 01:05.32 | Tem|laptop | number of procs = XY |
| 01:05.36 | Aznamir | hi all |
| 01:05.42 | Tem|laptop | (expected number, anyway) |
| 01:05.59 | jaxdahl2 | yes, yes, you are right |
| 01:06.22 | Adys | has heroic leap been removed? |
| 01:06.27 | Cide | months behind |
| 01:06.51 | Adys | how long ago? |
| 01:07.02 | jaxdahl2 | !seen heroic_leap |
| 01:07.09 | NeoTron | Wandering Plague is a bit OP |
| 01:07.10 | Adys | ~seen heroic_leap |
| 01:07.13 | purl | i haven't seen 'heroic_leap', Adys |
| 01:07.19 | Adys | ~fail jaxdahl |
| 01:07.24 | jaxdahl2 | purl had a memory wipe recently |
| 01:07.39 | NeoTron | it should scale in a linear fashion, not exponential |
| 01:07.58 | Tem|laptop | that's _not_ exponential growth |
| 01:08.06 | Tem|laptop | X^2 is quadratic growth |
| 01:08.13 | Tem|laptop | (constant exponent) |
| 01:08.15 | Neuro_Medivh | it does scale linearly... the line is 4x |
| 01:08.33 | Tem|laptop | Neuro_Medivh, no. |
| 01:08.51 | Tem|laptop | not what we mean here |
| 01:08.59 | NeoTron | linear would mean 10 mobs => 10x the dps |
| 01:09.03 | Tem|laptop | I see where you're going but no |
| 01:09.10 | Tem|laptop | 10 mobs here is 100x the dps |
| 01:09.27 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 01:09.40 | jaxdahl2 | if WP does 100 damage to each target and friends, and it has 100% proc rate, the sequence is 100, 400, 900, 1600, 2500 |
| 01:10.17 | cbreak | you're still inferior to mages |
| 01:10.25 | cbreak | we're the ultimate aoe class |
| 01:10.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa, whoa, whoa |
| 01:10.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Hold up a sec |
| 01:10.35 | NeoTron | cbreak: actually, no you're not |
| 01:10.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Something is _inferior to mages_? |
| 01:10.44 | cbreak | of course we are |
| 01:10.52 | NeoTron | cbreak: aoe is not something that sets mages apart |
| 01:11.00 | cbreak | we're the kings of aoe dps, and only rogues can rival us in single target |
| 01:11.00 | Neuro_Medivh | Nope.. mages scale at a rate of x, not x^2 |
| 01:11.04 | kd3 | we're not the ultimate aoe any more |
| 01:11.14 | kd3 | we're not ultimate anything |
| 01:11.16 | Adys | we've ever been? |
| 01:11.16 | Adys | :P |
| 01:11.24 | Adys | hellfire was better in vanilla |
| 01:11.28 | Adys | SoC was better in tbc |
| 01:11.31 | cbreak | sure. read the adds :) |
| 01:11.37 | ScytheBlade1 | SoC needs a nerf :/ |
| 01:11.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Superior *ranged* DPS, qq |
| 01:11.49 | Adys | I'm sad about heroic leap |
| 01:11.52 | NeoTron | cbreak: "Great AE damage isn't a good niche in a game with so many single-target fights. Your AE will be good, but so will that of warlocks and moonkin. We won't keep your single target dps down in order to justify high AE dps. |
| 01:11.56 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/4/10544538454-gc-questions--big-big-list-cuz-were-scared.html |
| 01:11.57 | Adys | Not a warrior but found the spell really cool |
| 01:12.05 | Adys | aye seen that neo |
| 01:12.15 | WobWork | oh god, chain hurricane |
| 01:12.22 | WobWork | There goes my mana =P |
| 01:12.43 | kd3 | <3... 'åãã®æé' |
| 01:12.45 | Adys | What bothers me more than anything is that they are not done fixing the classes |
| 01:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | chain casting hurricane: making it impossible to see the damn mobs since 3.0 >< |
| 01:13.00 | Adys | and that wotlk pvp wont be really enjoyable until 3.1 |
| 01:13.00 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: but at least they're moving half as slow =) |
| 01:13.13 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: .. half as fast, you mean? |
| 01:13.40 | WobWork | truedat |
| 01:13.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: they're never "done" with classes, anyway |
| 01:13.46 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: of course they buffed channeled aoe's and also gave them ability to crit |
| 01:13.48 | Neuro_Medivh | chain casting hurricanes, eh? I have an image of an addon shouting out hurricane names while you chain cast |
| 01:13.49 | Adys | blah blah blah |
| 01:14.00 | Adys | Random comment about MMOs etc, they got old on day1 |
| 01:14.18 | Tem|laptop | Neuro_Medivh, ouch |
| 01:14.28 | Adys | they dont worry about pve dps specifically until 3.1 |
| 01:14.44 | Adys | 3.0 gives them time to see how stats build up, how the first 80s get their dmg etc etc |
| 01:14.48 | WobWork | Neuro_Medivh: "Katrina! I choose YOU!" |
| 01:14.51 | jaxdahl2 | constant: n, linear: n*x, quadratic: x^n, exponential: n^x, _________: x^x |
| 01:14.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: im just saying, acting like everything has to be perfect when 3.0 is released, or on day 1 of wotlk, or any other arbitrary time, is pretty absurd |
| 01:14.57 | jaxdahl2 | can someone fill in the blank? |
| 01:14.57 | Neuro_Medivh | if you wanted to get really fancy, you could use the real hurricane lists, and have it advance one year every fight |
| 01:15.14 | Neuro_Medivh | log |
| 01:15.21 | Adys | I know NightHawkTheSane. The difference is they are removing spells because they are running out of time |
| 01:15.26 | Adys | reverting behaviours, etc etc |
| 01:15.33 | jaxdahl2 | is it hyperexponential or superexponential or something else? |
| 01:16.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: yeah, that happens. they bit off a -lot- with this expansion, so i'm honestly not too surprised |
| 01:16.05 | Adys | I cant remember ... was in the hunter's talents. a comment from GC: "Not a great 51-talent point, sure, but we'll improve it over the next patches" |
| 01:16.14 | Adys | which is also absurd |
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| 01:20.23 | Adys | hi purl |
| 01:20.30 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: yeah, they implied they were removing shear |
| 01:20.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine bosses will stop crushing as well |
| 01:20.54 | kd3 | they did come out and say that. I remember as much on the crush bit |
| 01:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* it's a pretty obvious thing, though |
| 01:21.16 | Adys | it gives players time to screw around and try specs out |
| 01:21.19 | Adys | see how they will level |
| 01:21.20 | WobWork | I foresee a increase in WAR subscriptions by disillusioned wotlk purchasers |
| 01:21.24 | Adys | get used to their "new class" |
| 01:21.30 | Adys | I totally disagree WobWork |
| 01:21.31 | kd3 | wob; for a few weeks, maybe? |
| 01:21.43 | jaxdahl2 | if they were going to go to WAR, they would have already done so by now |
| 01:21.50 | Adys | I foresee a massive increase in WoW subscriptions by disillusioned WAR purchasers |
| 01:21.52 | WobWork | Adys: pft, You expect people to be sane and logical? |
| 01:22.01 | WobWork | Adys: I disagree |
| 01:22.16 | WobWork | Anyone who plays WAR probably already plays WoW =P |
| 01:22.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I foresee a giant chicken in the middle of the road |
| 01:22.31 | Adys | you mean theres people who PLAY war? :) |
| 01:22.37 | WobWork | And WAR doesn't have a massive number of subscriptions to transfer over =P |
| 01:22.38 | bleeter | Adys: both of them |
| 01:22.43 | kd3 | sbo; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Chicken |
| 01:22.52 | Adys | yeah thats true |
| 01:22.57 | Adys | still though, WAR is horrible |
| 01:22.57 | jaxdahl2 | Dancing Rune Weapon cooldown has been increased from 2 to 3 minutes. that really kills it for me |
| 01:22.59 | netcurse | www.warhammeralliance.com has 1.2 millions uniques the last 30 days, people play war don't worry :) |
| 01:23.19 | Adys | you have to play war to visit a website? |
| 01:23.23 | Adys | thats pretty interesting |
| 01:23.25 | WobWork | Although, if they don't fix the latency issue in Scenarios, even all the aussies will desert |
| 01:23.27 | Adys | new concept to me ! |
| 01:23.43 | netcurse | This is a warhammer forums, explain me why would you visit if you don't play it? |
| 01:23.44 | Kirkburn|sleep | Adys, what's sarcasm? |
| 01:23.46 | bleeter | lol WobWork |
| 01:23.55 | kd3 | lies, kirkburn. go to bed |
| 01:24.03 | Adys | Kirkburn|sleep: I'm not sure, try Wikipedia |
| 01:24.21 | Adys | netcurse: I visit plenty of WAR websites |
| 01:24.23 | ScytheBlade1 | netcurse: well, good example. You just linked it, I just clicked. I don't play WAR. |
| 01:24.25 | Adys | I never touched the game :) |
| 01:24.26 | Nechckn | Well, you could run by just to check it out- but, I'm sure that also means there are alot of folks who are at least interested. |
| 01:24.28 | ScytheBlade1 | . . . |
| 01:24.41 | netcurse | :) |
| 01:24.43 | Neuro_Medivh | WAR is actually not bad... it's WoW with a different set of graphics |
| 01:24.46 | WobWork | oh come now, they're... forums |
| 01:24.58 | WobWork | Why would anyone who wants a sane impression of the game go -there-? |
| 01:25.04 | Duman | I dunno, the WAR interface jsut feels so klunky |
| 01:25.05 | Adys | Nechckn: I'm interested enough to have heard about disappointed friends and beta testers |
| 01:25.11 | jaxdahl2 | Glyph of Exorcism - Your Exorcism also interrupts spellcasting for 2 sec. |
| 01:25.12 | Esine | anyone know what will happen to current arena gear and system in wotlk? will there no longer be 70 rated games and s4 will be available with honor for 70s or what? |
| 01:25.13 | Adys | how the game got rushed to be released before wlk, etc etc |
| 01:25.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Duman: lol, so does the default ui of WoW =) |
| 01:25.22 | Neuro_Medivh | thus this forum |
| 01:25.24 | bleeter | kd3: that big chicken article's a little disturbing |
| 01:25.26 | Duman | heh |
| 01:25.31 | WobWork | Adys: like how wotlk is being rushed? =P |
| 01:25.37 | Adys | Aye Wob |
| 01:25.38 | NeoTron | like how BC was rished |
| 01:25.42 | Adys | difference is |
| 01:25.42 | NeoTron | like how wow was rushed |
| 01:25.48 | Adys | Wotlk is being rushed by 2 months |
| 01:25.50 | WobWork | rush rush rush |
| 01:25.53 | NeoTron | it's always rushed from a perfection standpoint |
| 01:25.55 | Adys | WAR is being rushed by 18 months |
| 01:26.05 | bleeter | FASTER!! |
| 01:26.07 | Neuro_Medivh | perfection is the enemy of good |
| 01:26.10 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: lol, I missed that link entirely |
| 01:26.13 | Adys | also rushing an expansion isnt nearly the same as rushing a game |
| 01:26.14 | bleeter | MOAR! |
| 01:26.19 | ScytheBlade1 | not even what I was thinking of, but that'll do |
| 01:26.28 | Nechckn | Adys I'm not saying it's a 1-to-1 comparison, but that's a pretty good sign there is interest beyone the corporate mumbo-jumbo, that's all. |
| 01:26.36 | Duman | oh, small patch this time, neat |
| 01:27.14 | Nechckn | s/beyone/beyond/ |
| 01:27.21 | Adys | aye aye |
| 01:27.36 | Adys | I'm not on a crusade against warhammer or anything ;) |
| 01:27.54 | Adys | Just saying, between being disappointed in wotlk and being disappointed in WAR, there is a canyon |
| 01:28.00 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't feel wotlk is being rushed, really |
| 01:28.12 | Nechckn | and that's not AOC! =) |
| 01:28.13 | Neuro_Medivh | is it perfect? No |
| 01:28.15 | Adys | I feel wotlk could have used 2 more months of polishing |
| 01:28.20 | WobWork | At least |
| 01:28.23 | smcn | the only aspect of wotlk i havent' enjoyed is a single quest in zul'drak |
| 01:28.23 | Neuro_Medivh | Adys, so could everything |
| 01:28.30 | Neuro_Medivh | perfection isnt' the goal |
| 01:28.32 | Adys | aw cmon now |
| 01:28.36 | WobWork | Neuro_Medivh: pft |
| 01:28.39 | Adys | you just have to get a death knight out |
| 01:28.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: it is, to an extent, you can see it in the way they're back off of a few new mechanics |
| 01:28.44 | Adys | do 3 lines with it |
| 01:28.49 | Adys | 3 levels with it, grrr |
| 01:28.55 | WobWork | They're at the level of professionalism that putting out an inferiour product is not good |
| 01:29.21 | Adys | 3 levels with a death knight and you *know* WotLK is a GOOD game |
| 01:29.25 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, understood, but the stuff they are tweaking now is not the hard lifting |
| 01:29.33 | WobWork | Adys: For death knights? =) |
| 01:29.36 | cbreak | Frost Bite level 1... |
| 01:29.40 | Adys | why only for dks? |
| 01:29.48 | Adys | everyone lvl 55 can make a dk |
| 01:29.48 | Neuro_Medivh | they've done the heavy work already, art and dungeons and graphics |
| 01:30.03 | ScytheBlade1 | purl: say sbo |
| 01:30.03 | purl | sbo |
| 01:30.05 | WobWork | but why just death knights? |
| 01:30.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay higlighted |
| 01:30.12 | WobWork | What if I don't want to play a death knight? |
| 01:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | purl: say Sbo |
| 01:30.15 | purl | Sbo |
| 01:30.18 | Adys | not just death knights, thats the point |
| 01:30.21 | kd3 | sbooo |
| 01:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: once more |
| 01:30.33 | kd3 | sbooooooo |
| 01:30.39 | Kirkburn|sleep | WobWork, you anti-death knight bastard |
| 01:30.39 | WobWork | You're saying I have to play a DK for three levels to see why wotlk is great |
| 01:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, highlighted as expected |
| 01:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 01:30.45 | Kirkburn|sleep | Oh yeah, bed, er, bye |
| 01:30.48 | Adys | its an example |
| 01:30.48 | Cide | your unit tests are bad |
| 01:30.52 | WobWork | Kirkburn|sleep: I prefer to think of it as a prolife knight |
| 01:30.57 | Kirkburn|sleep | lol |
| 01:31.07 | Cide | you only tested "^[Ss]bo+$" |
| 01:31.08 | NeoTron | I'm still not fully decided on DK |
| 01:31.12 | NeoTron | I might go paladin too |
| 01:31.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Wob, I think he means that playing a DK for 3 levels is the quickest way to see the improvements in WotLK |
| 01:31.29 | WobWork | ah, k =) |
| 01:31.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: feel free to poke around and try and break stuff |
| 01:31.35 | Adys | Cide: have you ever used HydraIRC? |
| 01:31.38 | Cide | way too lazy for that |
| 01:31.41 | Cide | Adys: no, why? |
| 01:31.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: truth be told I just did `/highlight -word sbo` and called it good |
| 01:31.51 | Adys | hold on, gotta show you something |
| 01:32.03 | Cide | what did I do to deserve this crap? |
| 01:32.25 | Adys | HydraIRC is one of those clients that has a half-assed, incomplete regex implementation |
| 01:32.25 | WobWork | karma? |
| 01:32.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ~karma Cide |
| 01:32.35 | purl | cide has karma of 1 |
| 01:32.38 | Cide | see? positive. |
| 01:32.40 | WobWork | see? |
| 01:32.41 | Adys | Cide: http://lh5.ggpht.com/adys.wh/R2mYWret2II/AAAAAAAAAX0/JYFJIMnMLS0/lolregex.png |
| 01:32.54 | Adys | (thats picasa btw, not a keylogger) |
| 01:32.56 | Cide | you're fucking insane |
| 01:32.57 | Tem|laptop | ~cide++ |
| 01:32.57 | WobWork | ~cide-- |
| 01:33.01 | Tem|laptop | ~karma cide |
| 01:33.01 | purl | cide has karma of 1 |
| 01:33.04 | Cide | the fuck WobWork |
| 01:33.07 | Tem|laptop | ~cide++ |
| 01:33.08 | Cide | lay off the drugs |
| 01:33.08 | WobWork | rofl |
| 01:33.13 | Tem|laptop | ~karma cide |
| 01:33.13 | purl | cide has karma of 2 |
| 01:33.16 | Cide | go me. |
| 01:33.17 | Tem|laptop | okay |
| 01:33.21 | Tem|laptop | ~karma cide-- |
| 01:33.21 | purl | cide-- has neutral karma |
| 01:33.24 | Adys | ~wobwork-- |
| 01:33.44 | WobWork | ~adys-- |
| 01:33.44 | Tem|laptop | ~cide-- |
| 01:33.48 | Cide | ~cide++ |
| 01:33.51 | Cide | you know you want to |
| 01:33.53 | Addybot | ~adys++ |
| 01:33.55 | WobWork | So much negative karma |
| 01:34.02 | Cide | ~wobwork-- |
| 01:34.06 | Icecoldcoke | ~cide++ |
| 01:34.09 | WobWork | ~karma WobWork |
| 01:34.09 | purl | wobwork has karma of -2 |
| 01:34.14 | WobWork | Oh noes |
| 01:34.21 | WobWork | TERRIBLE |
| 01:34.27 | Icecoldcoke | ~karma cide |
| 01:34.27 | purl | cide has karma of 2 |
| 01:34.31 | Cide | oh snap |
| 01:34.34 | Cide | I'm your additive inverse. |
| 01:34.43 | kd3 | zomg |
| 01:34.56 | Icecoldcoke | lol |
| 01:34.56 | bleeter | kinky |
| 01:35.00 | Cide | the verb you're looking for is "adds" |
| 01:35.07 | WobWork | Together, we're NOTHING! |
| 01:35.17 | WobWork | (And I'll be the head) |
| 01:35.21 | Adys | now you are one |
| 01:35.30 | Cide | 2 + -2 != 1 |
| 01:35.33 | Cide | don't be stupid |
| 01:35.35 | WobWork | it's true |
| 01:35.45 | WobWork | unless Big Brother asks |
| 01:35.57 | Cide | WobWork: now we can multiply and become anything |
| 01:36.09 | Icecoldcoke | ~WobWork++ |
| 01:36.11 | WobWork | Cide: Entirely disturbing thought =) |
| 01:36.13 | Icecoldcoke | ~karama WobWork |
| 01:36.16 | Cide | 0 = 0*10 |
| 01:36.18 | Icecoldcoke | ~Karma wobwork |
| 01:36.18 | purl | wobwork has karma of -1 |
| 01:36.21 | Icecoldcoke | pwnd |
| 01:36.27 | Adys | ~purl++ |
| 01:36.34 | WobWork | ~karma purl |
| 01:36.34 | purl | purl has karma of 20 |
| 01:36.38 | WobWork | woah |
| 01:36.41 | Adys | ~karma c |
| 01:36.41 | purl | c has karma of 10 |
| 01:36.41 | Cide | ~purl-- |
| 01:36.45 | Cide | don't deserve that crap |
| 01:36.47 | Icecoldcoke | ~karma icecoldcoke |
| 01:36.47 | purl | icecoldcoke has neutral karma |
| 01:36.49 | Icecoldcoke | :( |
| 01:36.51 | WobWork | Adys: rofl |
| 01:37.05 | bleeter | ~karma zootfizzle |
| 01:37.05 | purl | zootfizzle has neutral karma |
| 01:37.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:37.52 | WobWork | Content: Cide + WobWork |
| 01:38.56 | Icecoldcoke | The channel already is locked |
| 01:39.00 | Tekkub | what the hell, I'll ask here too |
| 01:39.02 | Icecoldcoke | Or it was when I joined like 10mins ago |
| 01:39.03 | Cide | I meant +m |
| 01:39.07 | Icecoldcoke | Oh |
| 01:39.22 | WobWork | Tekkub: "To get to the other side" |
| 01:39.25 | Cide | Tekkub: the answer you're looking for is no |
| 01:39.28 | Tekkub | who here likes the idea of TourGuide guides on a web site, and WHY do you like it? |
| 01:39.39 | Cide | you assumes people do like it |
| 01:39.43 | Cide | assume* |
| 01:39.50 | Tekkub | Tem does |
| 01:39.55 | WobWork | well that's the first part of the question |
| 01:40.01 | Tekkub | but he gave no reason besides "it would be awesome |
| 01:40.03 | WobWork | it filters out those that don't like it |
| 01:40.03 | Cide | what if you don't like it, but want to give a reason for the dislike/ |
| 01:40.05 | Cide | ? |
| 01:40.09 | Cide | WobWork: nope |
| 01:40.14 | WobWork | Well you're shit out of luck then =) |
| 01:40.24 | bleeter | what if you cbf? |
| 01:40.32 | Tekkub | Cide, I'm looking for reason to do it... I already have plenty of reasons not to |
| 01:40.39 | Cide | here's another |
| 01:40.40 | Icecoldcoke | Tekkub, I think it would be good for if you are using a different computer or something.. and don't feel like downloading addons.. |
| 01:40.41 | Icecoldcoke | idk |
| 01:40.56 | Cide | I don't know what it is, but it feels like something I should be against for asshattery reasons |
| 01:40.56 | bleeter | Cairenn++ |
| 01:41.03 | WobWork | I think the only reason I can come up with is that "It'll look pretty" |
| 01:41.19 | Tekkub | Cide, would you be against bringing down Kopp and Joana's paid guides? |
| 01:41.20 | WobWork | and would be good advertising for TG |
| 01:41.31 | Cide | why? |
| 01:41.33 | Tem|laptop | http://www.gadiss.com/2008/09/american-are-so-weird.html |
| 01:41.37 | Cide | if they make money off wow, more power to them |
| 01:41.39 | Tekkub | to sipte them? |
| 01:41.45 | Tekkub | *spite |
| 01:41.53 | Cide | (this is me being serious btw) |
| 01:42.00 | Tekkub | but if I could provide something as good or better, for free? |
| 01:42.09 | Cide | then the market can decide |
| 01:42.38 | Cide | I wouldn't use a guide at all, so I'm not really affected in any way |
| 01:42.48 | Cide | but sure, offer one for free if you want to |
| 01:42.57 | Tekkub | showing up Kopp/Joana has always been one of the big motivating factors for TG |
| 01:42.58 | bleeter | the only 'reason' I can imagine a website, is so people can plan their tour outta game some way. would prolly involve uploading SVs and maintaining profiles. |
| 01:43.08 | Cide | I don't see why that is a motivating factor at all |
| 01:43.18 | Cide | "fuck you for making money"? |
| 01:43.24 | Tekkub | if you won't use a guide, then this whole conversation has nothing to do with you |
| 01:43.30 | bleeter | curious side effect, would be on a guild website, or realm website, you could theoretically plan some group foo |
| 01:43.36 | Icecoldcoke | Tem|laptop : That is quite wonderful. |
| 01:43.39 | Tekkub | it's not motivating to you, but it is to me |
| 01:43.46 | Tekkub | it's the freetard speaking |
| 01:43.46 | Cide | I know, I already stated that I don't even know what it is |
| 01:43.52 | Cide | I understand what it is now though |
| 01:43.55 | WobWork | Tem|laptop: most of them are pretty old, and not exactly american specific =P |
| 01:43.55 | Tekkub | so then bugger off :P |
| 01:43.57 | Cide | and if you want to, by all means go ahead |
| 01:44.01 | Cide | I can still have an opinion |
| 01:44.30 | Cide | I don't like your motivating factor, but you're free to have that opinion obviously |
| 01:44.37 | Cide | so go for it |
| 01:44.44 | Tekkub | have it all you want, I did direct the question at people that use TG :P |
| 01:44.59 | Cide | I don't see why you're still arguing |
| 01:44.59 | Adys | http://wotlkwiki.info/up2/pages/news/9014/omghawt.jpg "wow" |
| 01:45.03 | Cide | I'm not :P |
| 01:45.06 | Shirik | Anyone here ever worked with FPGAs? |
| 01:45.10 | Tekkub | because noone else is chiming in |
| 01:45.14 | Tem|laptop | WobWork, I didn't make the page |
| 01:45.15 | Cide | floating point graphic accelerators? nope |
| 01:45.18 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:45.20 | Tem|laptop | I just liked the signs so I linked it |
| 01:45.25 | Shirik | field programmable gate arrays |
| 01:45.27 | Icecoldcoke | Adys: It's alexstraza the lifebinder in case you're wondering. |
| 01:45.28 | Legorol | How do you guys feel about the amount of "spoiler" material in this thread? I mean the extent to which new content in wotlk is being discussed in here |
| 01:45.31 | Adys | I know |
| 01:45.34 | Legorol | s/thread/channel/ |
| 01:45.35 | Cide | haven't used that either! |
| 01:45.47 | Cide | but I feel the field of floating point graphics accelerators is about to explode |
| 01:46.06 | WobWork | Legorol: I think it's kinda required for the addons being built for it to happen |
| 01:46.11 | Cide | Legorol: [spoiler]another topic is being discussed, get out[/spoiler] |
| 01:46.12 | Legorol | Pesonally, when I come here, I expect coding discussion or random off-topic or discussion about live game, maybe discussion about new UI stuff and talents etc. |
| 01:46.25 | Legorol | WobWork: yeah sure |
| 01:46.34 | Legorol | but i mean, discussions about Naxx10 and the type of bosses in there etc. |
| 01:46.36 | Cide | I'd disagree |
| 01:46.38 | Duman | Vitality increases your Energy regeneration rate by 8/16/25%. (Up from 3/6/10%) |
| 01:46.40 | Duman | whoa |
| 01:46.53 | Cide | you don't need to explicitly reveal much about the content/lore/spoilers just because you're coding a mod |
| 01:47.02 | Legorol | exactly |
| 01:47.05 | Tekkub | so noone else has opinion about a tourguide website? :P |
| 01:47.12 | Cide | but I don't think you can ask people not to discuss is tbh |
| 01:47.14 | Legorol | I feel uncomfortable about the amount of spoiler material in here, makes the channel a bit unusable for people who are not in the beta and don't want it spoiled |
| 01:47.21 | Icecoldcoke | Channel Vote - wotlkwiki or mmo-champion |
| 01:47.35 | kd3 | for? |
| 01:47.36 | Cide | mmo-champion, because the owner seems like a decent guy |
| 01:47.38 | kd3 | mmo-c |
| 01:47.38 | Legorol | Cide: yes indeed, it'd be unreasonable to not have any spoiling going on whatsoever |
| 01:47.56 | Legorol | however, it might be possible to be mindful about the fact that there might be visitors who do not wish wotlk content spoiled |
| 01:47.58 | cbreak | it's weird, in the old WoW I never watched shadows, but in beta it seems to bother me that the shadows point into the wrong direction |
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| 01:51.44 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: ping? |
| 01:52.23 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 01:53.34 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532279719&sid=2000#3 |
| 01:53.40 | Adys | " How come when I did BWL last night Vaelstrasz's buff gave +20 RP a second. " |
| 01:53.42 | Adys | haha |
| 01:55.02 | Corrodias | i... don't even know what that means. RP? |
| 01:55.06 | jaxdahl | runic power |
| 01:55.14 | smcn | does it increase rune refresh time? |
| 01:55.31 | Duman | I assume runes are permanently avail |
| 01:55.37 | Duman | (for vael) |
| 01:55.58 | jaxdahl | unholy + spam scourge strike = win |
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| 02:01.05 | jaxdahl | realms not up at the moment in case anyone is wondering |
| 02:01.14 | jaxdahl | coming up on about 5 hours now |
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| 02:01.48 | cbreak | Coldarra is up |
| 02:02.04 | cbreak | "UNIT_PET" seems to get sent two or three times when I summon a water elemental or when it dies |
| 02:03.08 | Duman | US can't even auth |
| 02:03.22 | Duman | (unable to validate version) |
| 02:03.27 | Neuro_Medivh | so, next expansion... Emerald Dream? or something wackier? |
| 02:03.27 | Corrodias | Duman: you mean "WE can't" |
| 02:03.34 | Duman | no, I mean the US servers |
| 02:03.43 | Duman | isn't coldarra EU? |
| 02:03.46 | Corrodias | i know, i kid |
| 02:03.49 | |Jelly| | I think I need an addon that autoresponds to "can you heal?" "can u heal" etc with "Fuck you and die" |
| 02:03.49 | Duman | I slow |
| 02:03.50 | cbreak | Space of Starcraft! |
| 02:03.57 | Duman | jelly :) |
| 02:04.10 | jaxdahl | Duman, i was able to auth.. beta? |
| 02:04.22 | Duman | jax: yeah.. errors out for me |
| 02:04.29 | |Jelly| | I don't know ... I'm not even in LFG so people are randomly /who and asking. Die in a fire. |
| 02:04.36 | Duman | "unable to validate game version, ec" |
| 02:04.38 | jaxdahl | logged out and in just fine duman |
| 02:04.43 | jaxdahl | did you remember to patch? |
| 02:04.45 | |Jelly| | Maybe I'm just in a bad mood. |
| 02:04.47 | Duman | yes, duh |
| 02:04.55 | Duman | v9014 |
| 02:05.10 | jaxdahl | weird. try again? |
| 02:05.15 | Duman | altho maybe it's trying to connect to Northrend, directly |
| 02:05.17 | Duman | are you on northrend? |
| 02:05.20 | jaxdahl | no |
| 02:05.22 | Duman | ahh |
| 02:05.29 | jaxdahl | i'm sitting on the realm select screen |
| 02:05.30 | Duman | lemme fiddle w/ my config |
| 02:05.34 | Corrodias | |Jelly|: WoW, where people get desperate enough to go through a few hours of 5-member torture that they will message innocent strangers to try to spark interest |
| 02:06.04 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rRf] by Shiibot |
| 02:06.15 | Corrodias | who gave ops to a bot? |
| 02:06.21 | Corrodias | run for the hills! |
| 02:06.23 | Duman | jax: oh, wow |
| 02:06.25 | Icecoldcoke | RRUNNNNN |
| 02:06.31 | Duman | if I try logging in w/ my USERNAME it works |
| 02:06.32 | |Jelly| | Well, I suppose I shouldn't be too hard on him because I've found some pretty good groups by people randomly asking me but really ... do THE MINIMUM homework to see that I'm a tank that outgears "you" by a long shot. |
| 02:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik gave ops to his bot |
| 02:06.37 | Duman | but not if I try my blizz account user@host |
| 02:06.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Scary thought, we all know |
| 02:06.54 | Shirik | It works |
| 02:07.03 | Corrodias | who gave ops to a Shirik? RUUUUN! |
| 02:07.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn did ;) |
| 02:07.13 | kd3 | ho... they changed the TOS |
| 02:07.16 | Addybot | [05:05:43] <Duman> if I try logging in w/ my USERNAME it works |
| 02:07.26 | |Jelly| | kd3: oh? |
| 02:07.29 | Addybot | it gives me an error "This account is now attached to a blizzard account" |
| 02:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: diff! |
| 02:07.34 | kd3 | completely. the diff's useless |
| 02:07.34 | Neuro_Medivh | |Jelly|: I don't mind when people ask me properly... it's the "Hey, wanna do Heroic MgT?" "Sure" "You're resto right?" "um, no" "Oh. Nm." |
| 02:07.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 02:07.39 | jaxdahl | they did, kd3? |
| 02:07.46 | jaxdahl | shows 20080626 for me still |
| 02:07.46 | Neuro_Medivh | that annoy me |
| 02:07.49 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 02:08.57 | kd3 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97081 |
| 02:09.08 | jaxdahl | oh, ptr? |
| 02:09.36 | ScytheBlade1 | heh. diff is indeed useless |
| 02:09.38 | Adys | kd3: html changed |
| 02:09.53 | Adys | kd3: can you pastey the two files? |
| 02:10.12 | |Jelly| | Neuro_Medivh: Oh god, that annoys the shit out of me. |
| 02:10.13 | Duman | holy |
| 02:10.14 | Duman | shit? |
| 02:10.15 | Duman | Ghost is out for the rest of the evening so I thought I would make a quick post regarding a new warrior change. Berserker Rage will now be usable in all stances. |
| 02:10.18 | Duman | !!!!! |
| 02:10.22 | jaxdahl | !!!! |
| 02:10.27 | Duman | I just crapped my pants a little |
| 02:10.30 | Neuro_Medivh | !!!! |
| 02:10.39 | |Jelly| | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10697500018&postId=106932176089&sid= <-- People like this make me want to give up on the forums entirely. lol |
| 02:11.02 | kd3 | 97082 and 83 are the live and PTR tos.html files, respectively |
| 02:11.05 | Adys | Duman: source? |
| 02:11.13 | Duman | Adys: Verimonde |
| 02:11.17 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10638057199&sid=2000 |
| 02:11.17 | Adys | link?:p |
| 02:11.21 | Adys | cheers |
| 02:11.24 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: totally replying. sec |
| 02:11.47 | kd3 | adys ^ |
| 02:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: you mean you haven't yet |
| 02:11.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 02:11.57 | Adys | aye got em kd3 |
| 02:12.02 | |Jelly| | Not quite. |
| 02:12.18 | Corrodias | oh shit, i wish i could log in so i could report that guy for saying "cock" |
| 02:12.24 | Corrodias | i'd be so on that |
| 02:12.31 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, and the main response: "That's great, now how about pummel?" |
| 02:12.38 | Neuro_Medivh | give an inch... |
| 02:12.44 | Duman | neuro: yeah no kidding |
| 02:12.48 | |Jelly| | SytheBlade1L I love you |
| 02:12.54 | Neuro_Medivh | and she wants 8 more, wtf do I look like, john holmes? |
| 02:12.55 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: you're welcome. =] |
| 02:13.30 | jaxdahl | i replied to the thread |
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| 02:13.50 | Duman | lol sbo |
| 02:13.51 | Adys | kd3: http://wowuidev.pastebin.com/m164ab1a7 |
| 02:13.57 | Adys | wdiff alot better |
| 02:14.13 | Adys | and why is there no syntax for wdiff anywhere grr |
| 02:16.37 | |Jelly| | Dec 5, 2006 was the day the addons broke, right? |
| 02:16.48 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:16.53 | Adys | the day.. the addons diiieddd |
| 02:17.01 | jaxdahl | addopocalypse |
| 02:17.17 | Adys | so my, my, missy wow A.P.I |
| 02:17.28 | Adys | ungh, singing this in my head now |
| 02:17.33 | smcn | addonageddon |
| 02:17.36 | smcn | imo |
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| 02:20.01 | MoonWitch | ha I got in! |
| 02:20.03 | Tem | so |
| 02:20.03 | MoonWitch | hi guys |
| 02:20.06 | Tem | do we have servers? |
| 02:20.06 | MoonWitch | and gals |
| 02:20.14 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 02:20.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Tem |
| 02:20.14 | purl | takes out a cattle prod and gives Tem a good jolt |
| 02:20.17 | |Jelly| | Is it sad or funny that I almost just wrote "Have a great day in Norrath." ? |
| 02:20.20 | kd3 | tem; neg. still a bunch of bitching on the PTR forum |
| 02:20.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not even getting a patch through the client yet |
| 02:21.19 | kd3 | ptr should've shipped already, been reports of people getting the patch. dunno about beta |
| 02:21.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i meant beta, to be sure. |
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| 02:21.40 | Adys | Man |
| 02:21.59 | Adys | I'm imagining the Arthas encounter in the final wotlk patch atm |
| 02:22.07 | Adys | priceless voiceovers |
| 02:23.01 | Adys | Tirion Fordring yells: Arthas! You will pay the right price for everything you've destroyed! The ten thousand souls you have put to damnation! |
| 02:23.08 | Adys | Arthas yells: What ten thousand? |
| 02:23.40 | Corrodias | more like 10 million: wow players, amirite? |
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| 02:25.44 | Tem | NO WAY LOL |
| 02:25.50 | Tem | my forum account is banned |
| 02:25.55 | Tem | (temp) |
| 02:25.59 | Corrodias | jigga what? |
| 02:26.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: good, you damn troll. ;) |
| 02:26.08 | Tem | aparently for trolling |
| 02:26.18 | Tem | I told a DK he was dumb |
| 02:26.36 | Corrodias | holy shit. that is far more than the WoW forums will put up with. |
| 02:26.38 | Tem | but it was a post from 2 days ago |
| 02:26.54 | Tem | and it's been off the front page since then |
| 02:26.59 | Tem | I'm surprized someone noticed |
| 02:27.00 | Tem | or cared |
| 02:27.18 | NightHawkTheSane | probably the whiny dk you insulted reported it. :p |
| 02:27.37 | schnoggo | beta realms down? |
| 02:27.41 | Adys | Last time I got banned, my ban ended at 13:37. I was so proud. |
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| 02:27.52 | NightHawkTheSane | schnoggo: yeah, that happens when they do a build |
| 02:28.04 | Adys | There's no way that can be right, NightHawkTheSane |
| 02:28.20 | schnoggo | har har - just got to the comp and was hopng to do some debugging |
| 02:28.25 | Corrodias | so in a septic tank like the WoW forums, some Renegade CM thinks an old post like that is worth getting sand in his/her butt over |
| 02:28.43 | Corrodias | well, moderator at least |
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| 02:29.10 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 02:29.45 | End | wow, looks like I'll be the only remaining raiding warlock when wotlk hits...they all want to play healers now o_O |
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| 02:31.49 | Amarande | Hey, anyone know if the honor wipe is when WOTLK launches, or when 3.0.2 hits live? |
| 02:32.39 | NightHawkTheSane | End: o_0 healerse? |
| 02:32.42 | NightHawkTheSane | -e |
| 02:32.49 | ajmitch | Amarande: there is no wipe now |
| 02:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: neither, keep up, yeah? :p |
| 02:33.11 | End | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, weird aint it |
| 02:33.13 | Amarande | when did they nix the honor wipe? |
| 02:33.27 | jaxdahl | today |
| 02:33.36 | jaxdahl | level 80 stuff will just cost a lot more |
| 02:34.22 | NightHawkTheSane | End: very. i was just thinking how i wanted to stop healing in wotlk.. |
| 02:34.53 | End | wanna come play a warlock? ;-p |
| 02:37.09 | NightHawkTheSane | End: haha.. tempting. ;) |
| 02:37.28 | kd3 | mmm... chocolate fudge icecream w/ chocolate syrup and chocolate chips |
| 02:37.29 | kd3 | yum |
| 02:37.40 | End | kd3: need moar chocolate |
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| 02:40.42 | jaxdahl | hmmm |
| 02:40.43 | jaxdahl | kd3 |
| 02:40.46 | kd3 | ya? |
| 02:40.49 | jaxdahl | they took out the section about reverse engineering |
| 02:41.02 | kd3 | o_O |
| 02:41.26 | kd3 | rather, @_@ |
| 02:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | >_O |
| 02:41.39 | kd3 | where's the "my eyes are as big as dinner plates" emoticon? |
| 02:41.46 | jaxdahl | they still prohibit emulation |
| 02:41.56 | jaxdahl | but i can't find a term relating to reverse engineering yet |
| 02:42.14 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.14 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.14 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.15 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.18 | ScytheBlade1 | tHERE |
| 02:42.20 | ScytheBlade1 | *There |
| 02:42.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid caps lock |
| 02:43.13 | jaxdahl | to be specific |
| 02:43.14 | jaxdahl | Such prohibited methods may include, but are not limited to, protocol emulation, reverse engineering, modifying the Program, adding unauthorized components to the Program, or using a packet sniffer while the Program is running. |
| 02:43.18 | jaxdahl | that sentence is gone |
| 02:43.46 | kd3 | wonder how much of an affect that's going to have on the glider case? |
| 02:44.07 | jaxdahl | the thing about 'ram' is still in there |
| 02:44.24 | jaxdahl | most of the original TOS is in the new TOS as far as i can tell |
| 02:44.29 | jaxdahl | some stuff about blizzard accounts now |
| 02:44.49 | jaxdahl | they renumbered and resectioned a bunch of stuff |
| 02:45.07 | Amarande | jaxdahl: "or using a packet sniffer" is a bad idea anyway |
| 02:45.35 | Amarande | what if, say, someone DoS's my connection while I'm playing WoW? I'm contractually obliged to Blizzard to not check to see if that's the case, and have to take punishment from the ISP as if I simply downloaded way too much without reason? |
| 02:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: probably not at all |
| 02:45.58 | Dashkal | Amarande: simple solution: stop playing then sniff |
| 02:46.04 | jaxdahl | probably still covered under this: use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, |
| 02:46.04 | Amarande | and yes, tcpdump once permitted me to determine that I was being DDoS'd years ago and ward off having my ISP fee raised to $245/month :) |
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| 02:48.04 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 02:48.44 | Iriel | Amarande: I would imagine it all comes down to intent |
| 02:49.03 | Iriel | Amarande: Running network diagnostics and not using the data for anything 'bad' wouldn't come to blizzard's notice |
| 02:49.44 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: I don't suppose you've gotten your hands on a beta patch downloader for Mac? |
| 02:51.06 | jaxdahl | section 2.B. is new |
| 02:51.12 | Amarande | actually, though |
| 02:51.17 | Amarande | does anyone ever really READ the terms of service? :) |
| 02:51.22 | jaxdahl | i do, Amarande |
| 02:51.25 | Amarande | or does everyone just go to the bottom and click ok? |
| 02:51.36 | Amarande | half of it's written in lawyerese anyway :| |
| 02:51.57 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: no but I could, sec |
| 02:52.05 | alestane | Amarande: I usually stop long enough to note that it hasn't changed, then go click on it. I haven't read the whole thing since I signed up for the game three years ago. |
| 02:52.42 | Amarande | I mean, c'mon, what's in there besides "don't abuse the game" "don't run bots or hacks" and "Blizzard is not liable if you lose data/jobs/girlfriends/wives/time/life/etc. due to playing WoW" that the lay person actually cares about? :) |
| 02:53.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: did you miss the "you agree to surrender your soul to blizzard" clause? |
| 02:53.11 | Iriel | Amarande: if you dont read it you'll never know |
| 02:53.32 | alestane | I believe there are privacy constraints. |
| 02:53.39 | Amarande | ah, that kind of legalese |
| 02:53.46 | Amarande | to be honest, I'm a little sour at privacy laws these days |
| 02:54.10 | Amarande | because, I've heard, if it wasn't for a conflict between them, they'd be able to allow US<->EU crossover instead of them being different accounts with different entities |
| 02:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: full downloader or will a .torrent suffice? |
| 02:54.39 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: I can make a .torrent work. |
| 02:54.43 | Amarande | I have a lot of friends from Europe, and find it irritating that I'd have to pay $100+ extra to be able to play with them |
| 02:54.52 | Amarande | well, not $100+ yet, but when WOTLK is out |
| 02:56.06 | Amarande | ok, on a different point |
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| 02:56.23 | Amarande | anyone else think of an entirely different character from an entirely different world when seeing 'Ysondre' in the server list? :) |
| 02:57.09 | alestane | Amarande: Not in the server list, but occasionally in-game. |
| 02:57.30 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember who Ysondre was in Azeroth ... heh |
| 02:57.35 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/OSX/8982-9014-OSX.torrent |
| 02:57.54 | Amarande | In any case, the name makes me instead think of Ysandre from Terre d'Ange |
| 02:58.51 | alestane | Amarande: Ysondre is one of the corrupted emerald dragons who appear in Duskwood, the Hinterlands, Feralas and Ashenvale. |
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| 02:59.17 | Adys | [05:56:43] <Amarande> I'm trying to remember who Ysondre was in Azeroth ... heh |
| 02:59.18 | Adys | emerald dragon |
| 02:59.25 | Adys | I cant read and Im slow, sorry |
| 02:59.52 | Legorol | Hey folks, I'd like to draw the attention of any addon author who has installed or considered installing CurseClient to this thread: http://forums.curseforge.com/showthread.php?t=14277 |
| 02:59.56 | Amarande | ahh, the ones that take 40 level 60's or ... five level 70's? |
| 03:00.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: yep, those |
| 03:00.16 | Amarande | lemme guess |
| 03:00.18 | Adys | they never took "40 level 60s" |
| 03:00.19 | Amarande | they can be soloed at 80 :) |
| 03:00.33 | Adys | we were 5manning them back in vanilla ... |
| 03:00.56 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: That appears to be downloading an old patch, and failing. |
| 03:01.15 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: I fail at build numbers, it seems |
| 03:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | transposed the old build numbrs :( |
| 03:01.33 | ScytheBlade1 | moment more |
| 03:01.37 | smcn | PTR up |
| 03:01.43 | alestane | Take your time. |
| 03:02.20 | smcn | beta up |
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| 03:03.28 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: you know its available via the client yeah? |
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| 03:03.44 | alestane | It wasn't when I asked. I'm checking now. |
| 03:03.51 | NightHawkTheSane | im grabbing it now |
| 03:04.08 | alestane | Yeah, it's coming over now. |
| 03:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/OSX/8982-9014-OSX-enUS.torrent |
| 03:05.11 | jaxdahl | 6. Use programs, bots or other automated techniques to collect information from the Program or any forum or website owned or administered by Blizzard; |
| 03:05.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That should be better |
| 03:05.13 | jaxdahl | ^^^ that was removed |
| 03:05.26 | jaxdahl | mining the armory is legal now (?) |
| 03:05.38 | Amarande | jaxdahl, didn't that pretty much mean that the person who owns be.imba.hu was ironically enough NOT allowed to play WoW? :) |
| 03:05.46 | Adys | they auto ban you very fast |
| 03:05.54 | Adys | when trying to mine the armory |
| 03:05.55 | jaxdahl | Adys, ddos filter |
| 03:06.07 | Adys | its a lot more sensitive than just ddos filtering |
| 03:06.17 | Adys | it's something like 3 requests per second |
| 03:06.39 | Amarande | by which I hope you mean full character requests? |
| 03:06.42 | Adys | I got it to reproduce just with firebug |
| 03:06.44 | Amarande | or do you get banned just for mousing over gear too quickly heh |
| 03:06.45 | Adys | no, item requests too |
| 03:06.47 | alestane | Anyone seen a hint yet what this patch does? |
| 03:06.53 | Amarande | yay for blizzard epicfail autobanning then |
| 03:06.55 | Adys | it makes people whine |
| 03:07.04 | Amarande | that reminds me of the bad old Diablo II days |
| 03:07.06 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: uh, have you checked mmo-champion? |
| 03:07.09 | Tem | servers? |
| 03:07.10 | Cide | how is it fail? |
| 03:07.13 | Amarande | Baal, Baal, Baal, YOU HAVE BEEN TEMPORARILY RESTRICTED FROM BATTLE.NET |
| 03:07.15 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:07.42 | kd3 | rofl. they pulled "Hidden in Plain Sight" |
| 03:07.50 | kd3 | now my quest log has a quest called "----" |
| 03:07.50 | Amarande | Cide: like I said, if you flash your mouse over your gear too quick, you could potentially get the boot |
| 03:08.20 | Cide | nope |
| 03:08.33 | Cide | it lags too much for that :P |
| 03:08.47 | Amarande | I'm mainly now reminded of the people who got temporarily restricted from Battle.net in the D2 days because they accidentally flicked through the mousewheel instead of clicking during fast-action fights |
| 03:09.03 | Amarande | it considered the fast skill switch 'spamming' |
| 03:09.07 | Cide | /shrug |
| 03:09.15 | Corrodias | lol |
| 03:09.17 | Amarande | I'm surprised Nova sorcs weren't being banned all the time lol |
| 03:09.17 | Cide | you get disconnected if you spin too fast |
| 03:09.33 | Amarande | oh wait, Nova sorcs ran out of mana too quickly for that :) |
| 03:09.36 | jaxdahl | THANK GOD |
| 03:09.40 | jaxdahl | THEY FIXED SHIFT CLICKING |
| 03:09.48 | kd3 | yes! |
| 03:09.52 | kd3 | this build = win |
| 03:09.55 | jaxdahl | and CTRL+CLICK |
| 03:09.57 | kd3 | that's all I needed to see |
| 03:10.03 | Amarande | zapzapzapzapzapIneedmana, lol |
| 03:10.06 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, i thought they said that wasn't being fixed until live |
| 03:10.06 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: working now? |
| 03:10.27 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Yes, the client started pulling it in the last ten minutes sometime. |
| 03:10.33 | Amarande | so, in any case |
| 03:10.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 03:10.44 | Amarande | do things that will be no longer available in WOTLK stop being available on patch day, or on November 13? |
| 03:10.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: when 3.0 comes out |
| 03:11.07 | Dashkal | Is the chat link bug fixed yet? |
| 03:11.11 | jaxdahl | 22.78% dodge |
| 03:11.13 | jaxdahl | yay |
| 03:11.22 | kd3 | dash; [23:09:40] <jaxdahl> THEY FIXED SHIFT CLICKING |
| 03:11.32 | Dashkal | YES |
| 03:11.37 | Amarande | wonder if people are going to put the brakes on raiding when 3.0 comes out, too |
| 03:11.38 | Dashkal | nukes* |
| 03:11.48 | smcn | berserker rage change didn't make it in this build |
| 03:11.49 | Amarande | since all the builds etc. have to be relearned, too |
| 03:11.53 | Amarande | well |
| 03:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: doubtful |
| 03:11.56 | Amarande | unless you're an ele shammy |
| 03:12.01 | Amarande | since they seem to have changed pretty much not at all heh |
| 03:12.22 | jaxdahl | before: 20.37% dodge |
| 03:12.28 | jaxdahl | after: 23.27% dodge |
| 03:12.38 | jaxdahl | they fixed the dodge bug, more than i expected though |
| 03:13.00 | jaxdahl | went from 20.57% parry to 19.65% parry |
| 03:13.27 | jaxdahl | oh, i replaced a defense gem, so i can't directly compare, hm |
| 03:14.07 | kd3 | damn it... must remember to spec before trying to solo elites |
| 03:14.08 | kd3 | >.< |
| 03:14.15 | Amarande | kd3: fail |
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| 03:15.06 | Amarande | ok ... so which builds, would you say, are the ones that now most have to pretty much learn how to play the game all over again? |
| 03:15.21 | Amarande | aff locks and ele shammies seem pretty much the same, I've heard the 3.0 paladin class is almost a totally different class from the 2.0 paladin ... |
| 03:16.13 | Amarande | And druids apparently now can tank without needing anything even resembling tanking gear other than a generous helping of stam? |
| 03:16.18 | Legorol | you could say the same for warriors, Amarande |
| 03:16.32 | Legorol | at least from a tanking point of view, they have totally shaken up our trees and mechanics |
| 03:16.43 | Amarande | I never got past 14 on a warrior |
| 03:16.51 | Amarande | I felt too squishy, ironically enough |
| 03:16.59 | Legorol | heh, warrior is a crap class imo |
| 03:17.07 | Amarande | yeah, warrior is an obsolete legacy class |
| 03:17.15 | Legorol | it's just that they are/were the elite tanking class with prot spec, and that i enjoy a lot |
| 03:17.17 | Amarande | anything you could do with a warrior, you can do with a pally or a DK |
| 03:17.31 | Legorol | well no |
| 03:17.38 | Legorol | there are things a pally can't tank that a warrior can |
| 03:17.39 | Amarande | or if fury, you can do that with a rogue |
| 03:17.44 | Amarande | and pay less repair bills |
| 03:17.55 | Amarande | because repair bills FTL |
| 03:17.56 | jaxdahl | nice.. Path of Frost no longer dismounts you when you cast it |
| 03:18.17 | Amarande | btw, are repair bills more balanced in wotlk or do plate wearers still bear the brunt? |
| 03:18.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: ... you don't actually believe the only difference between a fury warrior and a rogue is repair bills do you? |
| 03:19.05 | Amarande | Night: well, no. but basically, a fury warrior is a dual wield monkey who's wearing plate that might as well be made of glass and will die often and pay repair bills a lot |
| 03:19.06 | NightHawkTheSane | and, as it is, who gives a rats ass about repair bills anyway? its really trivial to make money.. |
| 03:19.11 | Legorol | Amarande: plate having to pay more for repair is fine imo |
| 03:19.31 | Amarande | a rogue is a dual wield monkey who's wearing leather that costs a lot less to repair, and has more escape mechanisms so they don't die nearly as much :) |
| 03:19.58 | Legorol | what I think is not fine is that plate wearers get durability from just simply being hit on by mobs |
| 03:20.11 | Legorol | whereas afaik casters don't get durability from pew pewing |
| 03:20.16 | Amarande | Legorol: actually, I think mail, leather, and cloth should pay more |
| 03:20.20 | Amarande | it boils down to a simple reason |
| 03:20.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: thats a definitely valid complaint :\ |
| 03:20.30 | Legorol | when you are playing as intended, you shouldn't be incuring durability loss |
| 03:20.34 | Amarande | tanks are already, in general, in short supply compared to DPS when grouping |
| 03:20.45 | Legorol | I can go through a night of Kara and accrue 5-8% without dying once |
| 03:20.46 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: actually we do take durability from being in combat |
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| 03:20.54 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: ok, good to know |
| 03:20.57 | Amarande | when you add to that the fact that the tank ALWAYS stands to lose the most in wipes, and thus has good reason to be more reluctant than other roles to PUG ... |
| 03:21.21 | Legorol | for me, as a tank, that's the least of the concerns |
| 03:21.34 | Legorol | i couldn't care less about repair bill when it comes to deciding whether to bother tanking or not |
| 03:21.44 | Neuro_Medivh | the problem is two-fold. First, plate has more durability, which is fine. But costs are based per point, NOT per item |
| 03:21.47 | Legorol | there are far more pressing concerns, here are the two on top of my list: |
| 03:22.04 | Amarande | Basically, from a server-society standpoint, making plate wearers pay less in repairs compared to others makes people more willing to tank |
| 03:22.15 | Amarande | which means people get to run instances more |
| 03:22.19 | Legorol | i think that is a bandaid that won't fix much |
| 03:22.27 | Legorol | my two top concerns about tanking is: |
| 03:22.30 | Amarande | which means people get to wipe more, and pay more in repairs in the LONG run which helps keep the economy more balanced. :D |
| 03:22.30 | jaxdahl | ok, blade barrier currently activates on 2 blood runes used |
| 03:22.35 | jaxdahl | even though they didn't change the wording |
| 03:22.36 | Neuro_Medivh | I just think the basic formula is broken. |
| 03:22.50 | Legorol | 1. skilled tanking is much harder and needs more focus from me than dps for sure, but even healing |
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| 03:23.03 | Amarande | it occurs to me that making it easier to PUG is a good thing for the balance of the server economy |
| 03:23.04 | Legorol | when i want a relaxed evening, i sometimes can't be bothered to tank because dps-ing is far more relaxing |
| 03:23.17 | Amarande | after all, PUGs wipe frequently, and thus pull a nice dollop of gold overall from the economy in repair bills. :) |
| 03:23.42 | Legorol | 2. the tank automatically ends up tasked with group-leadership and strategic role (marking for example), thus extra burden is placed on him |
| 03:23.43 | Amarande | Legorol: yeah, pewpew does tend to be easier :) |
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| 03:23.58 | Legorol | tanking should just be a random role in the group, it shouldn't automatically elevate you to be the strategist of the group |
| 03:24.04 | Legorol | that's probably my biggest gripe |
| 03:24.17 | Neuro_Medivh | While i'm not certain what the current formula is, what it SHOULD be is: Base Dura comes from ilvl x quality of item. Then, item dura is base dura x armor type |
| 03:24.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: all valid, but the problem is, that's not something that can easily be changed, or even changed at all |
| 03:24.24 | alestane | But that's a social issue, presumably, not a technical one. |
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| 03:24.31 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: exactly |
| 03:24.38 | Neuro_Medivh | dying should affect base dura, not total |
| 03:24.54 | Neuro_Medivh | as should repair costs |
| 03:25.08 | Amarande | what's a red-out Frostmourne cost to repair, anyway? :D |
| 03:25.10 | NightHawkTheSane | although, the "tanking is harder" strays into technical area. it's more along the lines of "if the tank's not operating at 100%, the group wipes, if the dps isn't.. it takes 10 seconds longer to kill the mob" |
| 03:25.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: your mortal soul |
| 03:25.33 | Tem | I like that, though |
| 03:25.50 | Fogger | everyone expects the tank to know the instance inside & out, marking & what-not |
| 03:25.55 | Neuro_Medivh | The problem is that plate is not actually more durable, it simply has more durability |
| 03:25.59 | Amarande | I'm also gonna assume that FM will only drop in the 25-man version of Icecrown, and not the 10 :S |
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| 03:26.08 | Neuro_Medivh | and thus it costs more to repair |
| 03:26.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: I like the challenge of tanking, but it's -so- easy to get burnt out, and it's VERY frustrating when you know you're operating at 110%, and the dps is jacking off or whatever. |
| 03:26.30 | Tem | heh |
| 03:26.33 | Tem | true that |
| 03:26.35 | Amarande | Night: I don't think you can blame the competence of the DPS |
| 03:26.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i'd be skeptical that frostmorne would drop at all |
| 03:26.40 | Amarande | depends on the group setting, especially in PUGs |
| 03:26.44 | Amarande | and especially for some types of DPS |
| 03:26.50 | Amarande | enhancement shamans especially come to mind |
| 03:26.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i said nothing about competence.. |
| 03:27.14 | Neuro_Medivh | I could see frostmourne dropping |
| 03:27.17 | NightHawkTheSane | dps can be perfectly competent and still be on auto pilot, watching a movie or whatever |
| 03:27.18 | Neuro_Medivh | not as a weapon |
| 03:27.19 | Amarande | Mainly ... Enh shaman dps is MASSIVE with good gear, they have only a 10% aggro pull window, and they have no way to lower their threat if it gets high (which it will) |
| 03:27.21 | Neuro_Medivh | but as a quest item |
| 03:27.29 | Neuro_Medivh | and you go on a quest to purify it |
| 03:27.44 | Legorol | I don't beleive that it's neccessary for a tank to be the strategist, that's a social stigma. |
| 03:27.53 | Legorol | It's perfectly possible for someone else to mark and tell the tank: pull this, tank that. |
| 03:27.59 | Legorol | kill in this order |
| 03:28.08 | Neuro_Medivh | I would actually think a hunter would be the best puller |
| 03:28.13 | Fogger | yeah, but then the tank looks dumb because he cant do it himself |
| 03:28.13 | Neuro_Medivh | and organizer |
| 03:28.17 | Amarande | heh, when I tank, I actually find I *like* to be the strategist |
| 03:28.17 | Legorol | It's not just about pulling |
| 03:28.21 | Legorol | it's organising too, indeed |
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| 03:28.25 | Cide | yep |
| 03:28.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Fogger: so what? |
| 03:28.29 | Cide | worked fine for us |
| 03:28.39 | Legorol | Amarande: sure I enjoy being the strategist too, and I do like to tank |
| 03:28.41 | Cide | guild leader tank, raid leader priest (me) |
| 03:28.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Fogger: does that even matter? if the tank can do what he's supposed to, and well, who cares if he's in charge? |
| 03:28.46 | Legorol | but I'm saying it's a problem that you are *expected* to be |
| 03:28.50 | Amarande | *If* Frostmourne drops, BTW |
| 03:28.51 | Legorol | which is putting a lot of people off imo |
| 03:28.56 | Amarande | do you think it will still have the stats noted on the wiki page? |
| 03:28.57 | Legorol | you can't just go and "do your stuff" |
| 03:29.02 | Neuro_Medivh | Amarande: no |
| 03:29.05 | Amarande | also, what will the "will become the new Lich King" effect actually do? |
| 03:29.06 | Shirik | Hungry. |
| 03:29.09 | Shirik | wtb food |
| 03:29.13 | Neuro_Medivh | I would expect it to be a "This item begins a quest" item |
| 03:29.21 | kd3 | wow. so apparently wine can't handle the insanity that is dalaran right now |
| 03:29.24 | kd3 | hard crashes are </3 |
| 03:29.35 | Amarande | yeah, the one posted on the wiki actually looks kinda blah for such an artifact |
| 03:29.42 | Neuro_Medivh | You take it to fordring and he warns you against taking it up, but tells you there MIGHT be a way to uncorrupt it |
| 03:29.42 | NightHawkTheSane | so on an unrelated note: apparently the relic of ulduar vendor in grom-arsh crash site is gone? >< |
| 03:29.51 | Tem | kd3, ping |
| 03:29.51 | Amarande | it looks like ... well, something for a ret pally to drool over, and that's about it LOL |
| 03:29.54 | Fogger | NightHawkTheSane: It doesnt matter to me, but I can remember many runs where the tank has been ridiculed for it. |
| 03:29.58 | kd3 | pong |
| 03:30.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Fogger: those people were idiots :P |
| 03:30.13 | Fogger | indeed |
| 03:30.27 | Fogger | but it doesnt make it any easier |
| 03:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* don't raid with idiots? :P |
| 03:30.45 | Neuro_Medivh | One of the tenants of WoW is that corruption can be purified, and purity can be corrupted (like Ashbringer), so I would expect that Frostmourne could be cleansed |
| 03:30.45 | Tekkub | *moan* |
| 03:30.52 | Amarande | Night: if only we could purge servers of idiots |
| 03:30.53 | Tekkub | Chipotle will be the end of me |
| 03:30.58 | kd3 | tem; pong |
| 03:31.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Tekkub: the fast food place? |
| 03:31.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i know, but there'd only be enough players left for maybe one server. ;) |
| 03:31.06 | Shirik | Random question: Anyone here ever compiled code for FPGAs? |
| 03:31.10 | Tem | kd3, wowwiki looks like ass in chrome |
| 03:31.14 | Amarande | unfortunately, intelligence seems to be one of the lowest priorities even in raiding guilds |
| 03:31.15 | Tekkub | yes |
| 03:31.15 | jaxdahl | Shirik, i have |
| 03:31.23 | Shirik | Does it have a limited number of writes? |
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| 03:31.28 | Neuro_Medivh | Tekkub: I'm sorry... I ate there once, it was horrible |
| 03:31.33 | Amarande | viz. for instance the fact that on Quel'dorei Horde, one of the most notoriously asinine trade channel trolls on the server got accepted into one of the top raid guilds |
| 03:31.35 | jaxdahl | few thousand or more. |
| 03:31.36 | Tekkub | horrible? |
| 03:31.37 | Neuro_Medivh | but, what do you expect from McDonalds |
| 03:31.41 | kd3 | ya, we know. we're yelling at the guys who write the skin. if you can log in, change your preferences to use the 'wowwiki skin' |
| 03:31.43 | Fogger | I lost the will to PuG long ago anyway (as a healer), too spoiled by a great guild :) |
| 03:31.45 | jaxdahl | look at the spec sheet |
| 03:31.45 | Iriel | I've had pretty good experiences there |
| 03:31.45 | Amarande | and the fact that on Quel'dorei Alliance, the only decent raiding guild is run by a total tard |
| 03:31.49 | Shirik | A few thousand should be more than enough I think |
| 03:31.50 | Shirik | thanks |
| 03:31.50 | Tekkub | I'm sorry for you, they're the only mexican food I can (bearly) handle |
| 03:32.09 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, well, in TX we have *good* mexican food |
| 03:32.24 | Tekkub | mexican food isn't "good" |
| 03:32.29 | Neuro_Medivh | tex-mex is |
| 03:32.38 | Tekkub | tex* isn't good either |
| 03:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Fogger: i pug now and then, it only serves to remind me that i loath it. |
| 03:32.52 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, tacos al carbon are excellent |
| 03:33.00 | Shirik | ok, time for Wendy's |
| 03:33.02 | Shirik | brb |
| 03:33.07 | Neuro_Medivh | or perhaps just a plate of fajitas |
| 03:33.21 | Fogger | It's so easy to say ignore the idiots, but from experience, good people get put off when it happens to them. |
| 03:33.24 | Tem | kd3, I'm currently using the wowwiki skin |
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| 03:33.29 | Tem | it looks like ass |
| 03:34.06 | Amarande | ok, yes. if frostmourne does make it in, it better be something different from the wiki page. :) |
| 03:34.17 | Amarande | the one on the wikipage definitely just looks like vanilla retadin garbage |
| 03:34.25 | Tem | lawl int on a dk weapon |
| 03:34.39 | Amarande | Tem: like I said, it looks like a retadin weapon to me, not DK |
| 03:34.43 | kd3 | bah. we're not really developing the wowwiki skin any more. I'll try to poke some of the windows-using admins to see if they can take a look at it |
| 03:34.49 | kd3 | wikia wants us all using the monaco theme now |
| 03:34.55 | Amarande | and not even special as a retadin weapon |
| 03:35.11 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, playing chicken flying around dalaran is a bad idea |
| 03:35.46 | Tem | broken wowwiki skin looks better than monaco :( |
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| 03:37.22 | ccox | (hmm, FPGA experience from 1996... probably not gonna help) |
| 03:37.32 | Shirik|AFK | FPGAs are fun |
| 03:37.45 | Shirik|AFK | You get to play around while you wait for it to synthesize |
| 03:37.56 | ccox | yeah, they just got several orders of magnitude more complex than they last time I tried to use them |
| 03:37.56 | Amarande | FPGA ... wasn't that a CPU type? |
| 03:37.57 | Shirik|AFK | 30 minutes of downtime "Sorry boss, it's synthesizing, I can't do anything else" |
| 03:37.59 | Amarande | oh, that was FCPGA |
| 03:38.05 | Shirik|AFK | FPGA = Field Programmable Gate Array |
| 03:38.07 | Shirik|AFK | you could make a CPU out of it |
| 03:38.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|AFK: http://xkcd.com/303/ ;) |
| 03:38.26 | Shirik|AFK | hehe |
| 03:38.45 | ccox | Shirik - IIRC, you still need to synthesize several times and compare results, since they use simulated annealing algorithms (result1 not always equal result2) |
| 03:39.02 | ccox | NightHawkTheSane: or, with MSVC, linking |
| 03:39.10 | Shirik|AFK | rofl |
| 03:39.15 | Shirik|AFK | it's not that bad! |
| 03:39.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: same idea, different words. ;) |
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| 03:39.32 | ccox | NightHawkTheSane: we have legitimately done 2 hour lunches waiting for compile/link cycles |
| 03:39.46 | Amarande | ccox: that's nothing |
| 03:39.58 | Amarande | I still remember the time I compiled XFree86 on a 486-66 with 8 megs of RAM |
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| 03:40.04 | ccox | Shirik - think about how long it takes to compile and link big (several million line) projects |
| 03:40.15 | Amarande | which took approximately fourteen hours |
| 03:40.24 | ccox | Amarande: yeah, I remember those days, then I just hit compile and went home for the night |
| 03:40.28 | Iriel | Amarande: heh, I had a massive 16 MB on my -66 |
| 03:40.37 | Iriel | Amarande: Those were the days |
| 03:40.42 | ccox | Thank goodness for Incredibuild, distcc and the like |
| 03:40.55 | Shirik|AFK | Anyway, about the FPGA, NI is claiming 12-25 minutes |
| 03:40.57 | Shirik|AFK | "The LabVIEW is translated into VHDL and then compiled into bitfiles that are deployed to the FPGA. The translation, and deployment are very quick steps, while the compiling usually takes about 12-25 minutes on our Intel Core2 Duo computer." |
| 03:41.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Grr. I really hate it when my mod generates bad data when i first log in, and then NEVER does it again. >< |
| 03:41.50 | Shirik|AFK | anyway, food time |
| 03:41.51 | ccox | at least the FPGA compiles/synthesis are getting faster |
| 03:42.15 | ccox | which is interesting since the FPGA gate count has gone way up, and some of the flexibility has gone up as well |
| 03:42.27 | Shirik|AFK | yeah this thing is fricking huge |
| 03:42.29 | ccox | they must have better algorithms, or use lots of library cells |
| 03:45.01 | Shirik|AFK | Virtex-II: http://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/data_sheets/ds031.pdf <-- WTF at up to 93184 registers & LUTs |
| 03:45.39 | Shirik|AFK | 8 million system gates |
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| 03:46.06 | Shirik|AFK | anyway, for real, food time now |
| 03:46.46 | schnoggo | megs.... |
| 03:46.56 | schnoggo | whipersnappers! |
| 03:48.04 | schnoggo | entering code on a hex keypad on a machine with 8k... now that's programming! |
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| 03:55.20 | bleeter | 8k? |
| 03:55.23 | bleeter | luxury |
| 03:59.32 | Wobin | well it's new ui stufhttp://www.bestofclementine.com/clementine.mp3 |
| 03:59.37 | Wobin | whups |
| 03:59.39 | Wobin | http://www.bestofclementine.com/clementine.mp3 |
| 04:02.34 | Wobin | Surprising how well Clementime scans into the others |
| 04:04.36 | jaxdahl | any horde here on lich king? |
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| 04:05.23 | Tekkub | *mooooooan* |
| 04:05.30 | Tekkub | bastards |
| 04:05.41 | Tekkub | Chipotle has never hit me this bad |
| 04:07.19 | Wobin | bad chipotle? |
| 04:07.35 | Tekkub | I can only assume |
| 04:07.45 | Tekkub | I'm like all barf feeling |
| 04:07.59 | acetar | Tekkub: inc ring of fire in 4 hours :P |
| 04:08.11 | Tekkub | yea there's always that too |
| 04:08.49 | Shirik | schnoggo: Anything that isn't VHDL makes people happy |
| 04:09.08 | Shirik | VHDL reminds me of programming not with even machine language, but with actual wiring like the ENIAC |
| 04:10.01 | Wobin | well you know what they say about chipotle |
| 04:10.22 | Wobin | Chipotle is a burning thing... and it makes a firey ring... bound by wild desire.. |
| 04:10.57 | NightHawkTheSane | .. okay, jesus christ, ICy touch hits freaking hard now |
| 04:11.17 | Wobin | in fact a straight s/a/r of Love and Chipotle works really well for that song |
| 04:13.54 | Wobin | lol@xkcd |
| 04:13.58 | Wobin | So true |
| 04:14.06 | Wobin | I hate having to need a lookup table for books |
| 04:14.30 | Wobin | If I can't figure out the word from the immediate context, it's probably not worth reading |
| 04:14.53 | Tekkub | s'ords are even cooler |
| 04:15.07 | Tekkub | *awesomer |
| 04:20.22 | ccox | jaxdahl: I have toons on horde lich king, what's up? |
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| 04:28.03 | Syzgyn | So I've got my resto shaman in T4/blues healing Bloodboil :V |
| 04:29.06 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds painful |
| 04:30.04 | Fogger | go oom at 95%? |
| 04:31.04 | Fogger | out t6 shamans complain at bb if they dont have a s priest |
| 04:31.09 | Fogger | *our |
| 04:31.49 | NightHawkTheSane | your t6 shamans are whiny bitches. :P i've done bb just fine without a spriest. It sucks, but you can do it. |
| 04:32.24 | Fogger | idd |
| 04:33.25 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 04:33.25 | NightHawkTheSane | http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/adg/836109998.html |
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| 04:33.41 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:34.30 | jaxdahl | rune strike is werid |
| 04:34.37 | jaxdahl | behaves differently in pvp and pve |
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| 04:34.47 | Fogger | she looks like a porn star anyway :P |
| 04:36.11 | Corrodias | no anal required, eh |
| 04:36.17 | Corrodias | well, i guess we can't have it all |
| 04:36.18 | Fogger | an aging one perhaps |
| 04:36.32 | Shirik | ok night |
| 04:39.18 | Syzgyn | I didnt run oom :P |
| 04:39.29 | Syzgyn | I outhealed one of our priest mains :V |
| 04:39.31 | Fogger | how u lookin on the neters? :) |
| 04:39.46 | Dewin | hmm |
| 04:39.46 | Syzgyn | 5th overall since I got in |
| 04:39.55 | Dewin | bugsack breaks my chat in 3.0 |
| 04:40.42 | Dewin | Any suggested alternatives? |
| 04:41.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: how was the priest specced? |
| 04:41.10 | Syzgyn | uhmm, holy I think |
| 04:41.17 | Syzgyn | whats the armory command? |
| 04:41.42 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, if he was specced into coh, thats kinda fail on his part. if he wasn't, it could be understandable. ch & coh are killer on bb. |
| 04:42.01 | Syzgyn | Yeah, our CoH priest owned the meters |
| 04:42.09 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, sweet! they dropped the level requirement from Minor & Northrend Inscription research |
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| 04:50.57 | NightHawkTheSane | .... "David Hume <Warrior Glyphs>" hehe. |
| 04:51.53 | Dewin | *sigh* wtb better error handling |
| 04:52.29 | [Wobin] | woah http://www.brudelitech.com/index.htm |
| 04:52.57 | Fogger | Dewin: what about that Auctioneer error handler?, I forget the name |
| 04:53.15 | [Wobin] | NightHawkTheSane: Science of Man? |
| 04:53.31 | Fogger | Dewin: !Swatter |
| 04:53.38 | ccox | !Swatter |
| 04:53.49 | Dewin | yeah, about to see if it works |
| 04:53.53 | Dewin | !Bugsack... doesn't |
| 04:53.57 | ccox | and if you find problems with !Swatter, let me know - and I'll try to fix it |
| 04:54.00 | jaxdahl | typhoon is apparently broken again? |
| 04:54.02 | batrick | swatter keeps me sane |
| 04:54.05 | jaxdahl | ie, overpowered |
| 04:54.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: bugsack works fine here? *shrug* |
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| 04:54.16 | kd3 | jax; bugged. gonna get hotfixed in the morning |
| 04:54.30 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: Bugsack causes all of my chat to stop appearing |
| 04:55.02 | jaxdahl | 'Well we're trying to fix it tonight but it's already morning some places =P" |
| 04:55.16 | Dewin | actually, I think it's an ace2 issue |
| 04:55.23 | Dewin | but sometimes it crops up and sometimes it doesn't depending on what addons are loaded |
| 04:56.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: odd... is this on beta? |
| 04:56.56 | Dewin | PTR |
| 04:57.06 | Dewin | http://www.wowace.com/projects/ace2/files/560-ace2-r82173/ |
| 04:57.07 | Dewin | first comment |
| 04:57.11 | Dewin | that explains /everything/ |
| 04:57.23 | Dewin | Embedded libs are bad. >.> |
| 04:57.39 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe :) |
| 04:58.25 | NightHawkTheSane | anyway, you can probably grab the latest trunk of Ace2, and i bet it'd work |
| 04:58.30 | Dewin | yeah, that's what I just did |
| 04:59.02 | Fogger | I guess making the patch notes more progressively comprehensive failed. |
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| 05:08.40 | Fisker- | COME ON |
| 05:09.15 | Fisker- | how the fuck can they even nerf holy more than they already have? |
| 05:09.23 | Neuro_Medivh | wtf... there's like 30 people in dalaran at the enchanter who are spamming /train |
| 05:09.28 | NightHawkTheSane | just to piss you off, Fisker- |
| 05:09.40 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 05:10.14 | Thrae | "Given that Holy is the most powerful element, all resists are now calculated into resisting Holy damage." |
| 05:10.39 | Fisker- | Also looks like we'll be the only ones to have glyphs that are actually a downgrade |
| 05:10.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: don't worry, you wont be the only ones whining about it |
| 05:11.02 | kd3 | meh, mages can completely break poly if they get both minor glyphs |
| 05:11.27 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty unimpressed with cat-oriented glyphs :\ |
| 05:12.45 | Dewin | Does reloadui retrigger PLAYER_LOGIN? |
| 05:13.07 | Corrodias | i don't think so. player_entering_world though, if i'm not mistaken? |
| 05:13.15 | Corrodias | there's a wowwiki article about the order of events |
| 05:13.31 | kd3 | "events fired during the loading process" |
| 05:13.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: i think it does |
| 05:13.43 | Dewin | That article doesn't discuss the reloadUI case if memory serves |
| 05:14.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: yeah, i'm about 99% certain it does |
| 05:14.34 | Dewin | yeah, I think it does too |
| 05:14.47 | Dewin | I realized this when it occured to me that the function that's failing wouldn't even be called outside of the event |
| 05:17.34 | Dewin | Why is this failing argh. |
| 05:20.04 | jaxdahl | ohhhhhhhhhhh damn, alexstrasza's humanoid form is _hot_ now |
| 05:20.11 | Corrodias | LINK |
| 05:20.19 | jaxdahl | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/september/alextrasza9014.jpg |
| 05:20.32 | Corrodias | ah. |
| 05:20.35 | kd3 | holy hell |
| 05:21.07 | acetar | o.O |
| 05:21.15 | Fogger | PLAYER_LOGIN does get fired on rui, oddly enough. |
| 05:21.31 | Fogger | erm, ignore that, I was scrolled up :P |
| 05:21.54 | jaxdahl | varimathras is pretty tough looking too |
| 05:21.55 | jaxdahl | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/september/varimathras9014.jpg |
| 05:22.17 | kd3 | not the checkerboard cube any more? |
| 05:22.21 | jaxdahl | nope |
| 05:22.54 | Corrodias | i don't suppose sylvanus looks less like a night elf yet? |
| 05:23.13 | kd3 | she got updated last build. pretty sure she's got a highelf model |
| 05:23.34 | Corrodias | ah |
| 05:23.39 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Sylvanasnew.jpg |
| 05:23.48 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: ... damn, you're right >.> |
| 05:24.00 | Corrodias | nice |
| 05:24.17 | Corrodias | oh come on guys, it's just the armor |
| 05:24.24 | kd3 | it's actually a pretty good representation of how they're drawing her in the comics: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Sylvanasmanga.JPG |
| 05:24.37 | acetar | oh come on guys, it's just the armor |
| 05:24.49 | jaxdahl | and the horns |
| 05:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: yeah, that is pretty good |
| 05:25.33 | acetar | wtf Corrodias i just switched out of my irc app and back in and it made me repeat you |
| 05:25.35 | kd3 | cripes. 10 page thread in beta general already |
| 05:26.02 | Corrodias | i was wondering |
| 05:26.06 | acetar | lol |
| 05:29.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, one thing i really like about wotlk, is that arthas has a -real- presence. he gets around, shows his face. |
| 05:29.48 | batrick | is that sarcasm? |
| 05:29.54 | NightHawkTheSane | no, honestly :p |
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| 05:29.56 | batrick | i wouldn't know i never really played much on beta |
| 05:30.06 | NightHawkTheSane | he's seriously fucking everywhere. |
| 05:30.19 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lich_King_(disambiguation) |
| 05:30.33 | kd3 | and that's not counting some passing references in other quests |
| 05:30.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 05:30.54 | NightHawkTheSane | even just counting where he -actually- appears. it's far more than illiden or kil'jaden |
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| 05:31.54 | Corrodias | well, they did say that was a goal of theirs |
| 05:32.13 | Corrodias | although doesn't that make him a bit... i don't know why he would show up and not destroy everything :P |
| 05:33.38 | Fogger | thats something I was wondering about the whole DK starting place, does each player have their own instance? |
| 05:33.43 | Neuro_Medivh | Lich King really needs to read the 100 Rules for Evil Overlords, though |
| 05:33.44 | kd3 | no |
| 05:33.51 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, given the context of where he shows up, how/why and what he does is appropriate. |
| 05:33.52 | kd3 | that's the first real implementation of the phasing system |
| 05:34.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Fogger: each faction has its own instance, thats all. |
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| 05:34.21 | Neuro_Medivh | "Hahah, I shall spare your miserable life... because it amuses me! You could never rise up with 24 of your friends to defeat me!" |
| 05:34.56 | Fogger | so I couldnt help a friend that was on an earlier part of the DK starting quests? |
| 05:35.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: yeah, it highly amused me when brutallus said something like that if you hit him during the bombing run :p |
| 05:35.02 | Neuro_Medivh | correct |
| 05:35.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Fogger: indeed |
| 05:35.11 | Sixen | ~IRC |
| 05:35.12 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 05:35.14 | Dewin | Anybody know off hand if there's a way to do svn+ssh on wowi svn? |
| 05:35.17 | Corrodias | to which i retort "HA! but i -can- get 23 friends and one guy we all hate but can't get rid of because he knows the GL IRL" |
| 05:35.25 | kd3 | the starting zone is only worth about 2 hours of play time anyway |
| 05:35.35 | Dewin | *ponders just using his own svn repo* |
| 05:35.52 | Neuro_Medivh | Corrodias, usually that person is a she, and the GL is dating her online |
| 05:36.07 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: eh, if you're particularly "new", or want to savor it a bit, it can last longer |
| 05:36.08 | Corrodias | you saying the GL can't be female? or gay? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? |
| 05:36.13 | NightHawkTheSane | but no more than 5ish i'd say |
| 05:36.15 | Corrodias | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? mister PR? |
| 05:36.26 | Dewin | Having been in guilds with GL of both of those types |
| 05:36.27 | Dewin | heh |
| 05:36.40 | Neuro_Medivh | Corrodias: The 'she' might be a mangina, so it's ok |
| 05:36.50 | Fogger | do other players phase out, or do you see them attacking thin air? |
| 05:36.58 | Corrodias | maybe the GL and the loser are both hermaphrodites |
| 05:37.00 | kd3 | they phase out too |
| 05:37.11 | kd3 | you'll only see players in the same phase as you |
| 05:37.19 | Neuro_Medivh | if that were true, they'd be making money in video instead of playing online |
| 05:37.24 | kd3 | there's ~4 major phases. |
| 05:38.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Fogger, you can't see them... it's all very seamless |
| 05:38.09 | Tem | bear mount roll time! |
| 05:38.26 | Neuro_Medivh | gl tem! |
| 05:38.35 | Neuro_Medivh | get sum bare! |
| 05:38.35 | Corrodias | do a bear roll! |
| 05:38.51 | Tem | QQ |
| 05:38.54 | Tem | I rolled a 12 |
| 05:39.08 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, you lost, but just bearly |
| 05:39.39 | Fogger | does the phasing system come into play anywhere else? |
| 05:40.01 | kd3 | few zones in northrend, and on quests in the old world coming out of northrend |
| 05:40.05 | Sixen | hmm.. kd3.. I've been afk a bit, ever make a new image? |
| 05:40.13 | kd3 | namely, SW/Org/UC |
| 05:40.16 | kd3 | not yet |
| 05:40.31 | Sixen | Kay. Did you want me to host them for you or naw? |
| 05:40.41 | kd3 | sure. if I ever get off my ass and make one |
| 05:41.01 | Sixen | Heh, :P. I could add a /kd3/ directory and stick the other 7+1 in there. |
| 05:41.20 | kd3 | feel free. more readable URLs that way |
| 05:41.42 | Sixen | Exactly my thinknig, =p. |
| 05:41.46 | batrick | * NEW - ... = scrub(...) - nil's non-simple input values |
| 05:41.48 | kd3 | oh wow. a wine crash |
| 05:41.49 | batrick | what does that mean? |
| 05:42.18 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 05:42.24 | NightHawkTheSane | saurfang didn't spawn a portal to org for me >< |
| 05:43.54 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5962970293&sid=1 <-i just love when that happens |
| 05:44.24 | Sixen | Ouch. |
| 05:44.27 | Sixen | I'd cry, :( |
| 05:44.43 | Fogger | I noticed a bug with the Ebon Hold Portal near the end of the DK starting questline, given by that npc in the Inn at the Orchard, if I handed in soon after somebody else |
| 05:45.13 | Sixen | kd3, do you want access to it or should I just toss it all up there? |
| 05:45.23 | kd3 | you can toss it up |
| 05:45.26 | Sixen | Alright. |
| 05:46.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: i lol'd :) |
| 05:48.23 | Fogger | Fisker-: I wonder if they're still mates :) |
| 05:50.25 | Sixen | done |
| 05:50.27 | Sixen | http://www.sixen.org/kd3/ |
| 05:50.43 | kd3 | awesome |
| 05:50.51 | Sixen | =) |
| 05:50.58 | ccox | just a note - Minor Inscription research is now available at all inscription trainers |
| 05:51.14 | ccox | and, just for kicks, the cooldown on it resets when you hearth or port |
| 05:51.22 | ccox | or after 20 hours |
| 05:52.10 | batrick | haha kd3 has a kill wine script |
| 05:52.16 | batrick | god that is necessary |
| 05:52.25 | batrick | apparently he just clicked on it too |
| 05:52.26 | batrick | how amusing |
| 05:52.41 | kd3 | ya |
| 05:53.19 | batrick | k_d^3 what is that I'm too lazy to find out |
| 05:54.24 | Sixen | It's our neighborhood Gnome. |
| 05:54.28 | Sixen | *snicker* |
| 05:55.14 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, icy touch critting for ~20k |
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| 05:57.47 | batrick | o dear |
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| 05:58.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Shiibot got faster, nice |
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| 05:59.45 | Tekkub | *snicker* I just discovered that the artist from LFG is bearish |
| 05:59.55 | Syzgyn | who? |
| 05:59.58 | Tekkub | Lars |
| 06:00.11 | Syzgyn | Oh, bearish as in an adjective |
| 06:00.16 | Syzgyn | right |
| 06:00.30 | Tekkub | bearish as in big and furry and cute but has a wife |
| 06:00.34 | Syzgyn | Right |
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| 06:00.51 | Tekkub | oh I guess he's singular... just Lar |
| 06:04.49 | Sixen | :(. Maaven deleted the OT Thread. |
| 06:05.49 | NightHawkTheSane | OT time is over. ban time begins! |
| 06:06.01 | Sixen | QQ. |
| 06:06.14 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, thrall is so badass. |
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| 06:11.50 | Dewin | bah... I remember seeing events about the reputation frame and now I can't find any of them. |
| 06:12.12 | Dewin | Trying to fix my addon to actually register for all the correct events instead of 'pretending' |
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| 06:14.05 | Dewin | Oh. Blargh. |
| 06:18.16 | zenzio | ""Back Door" Cheating Scandal Rocks Online Poker" <-- this sounds wrong if you read it the right way |
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| 06:19.25 | Corrodias | mmm |
| 06:19.56 | Corrodias | in a way, it's US lawmakers' fault |
| 06:20.20 | Corrodias | making it so damn hard, if even possible, to host that stuff within the US |
| 06:20.44 | Corrodias | so players resort to forign companies, which aren't accountable under US law |
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| 06:24.08 | Thunder_Child | someone come take this damn heat |
| 06:25.12 | Thunder_Child | 96 deg. tomorrow |
| 06:25.21 | Tekkub | HA HA |
| 06:25.45 | Tekkub | it's been warm here lately... needs to hit winter already so I can turn off the AC |
| 06:25.54 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 06:26.03 | Thunder_Child | /melting |
| 06:27.03 | kd3 | meh, we had a cold front pass through mondayish? going from highs in the 80s to lows in the 40s |
| 06:27.20 | Tekkub | mmmmm....40's.... |
| 06:27.31 | Tekkub | also, Chubby Hubby >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all |
| 06:27.48 | zenzio | O_o |
| 06:28.29 | Tekkub | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chubby_Hubby_(Ben_&_Jerry's_flavor) |
| 06:29.40 | zenzio | "Berserker Rage will now be usable in all stances" :-o No more stance-dancing I guess |
| 06:29.55 | Thunder_Child | kd3, WTB your 40's |
| 06:30.39 | Tekkub | Funder, go get Chubby Hubby, it will tide you over |
| 06:30.51 | Thunder_Child | did you just call me Funder? |
| 06:30.56 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Tekkub |
| 06:30.56 | purl | shoots Tekkub in the head |
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| 06:31.08 | Tekkub | fumper? |
| 06:31.26 | Thunder_Child | i cant have a chubby hubby |
| 06:31.40 | NightHawkTheSane | fumper? i hardly know her! |
| 06:32.09 | Duman | YAYCRASH |
| 06:32.26 | Duman | I shoudl sleep, anyway |
| 06:32.27 | Duman | later |
| 06:32.44 | Tekkub | [Server] oh Tef's on, Tek's gonna play... /crash |
| 06:32.52 | Thunder_Child | Duman, wow crashing != time to go to bed |
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| 06:40.03 | NightHawkTheSane | wow crashing = time for a snack and an episode of sliders |
| 06:40.36 | NightHawkTheSane | also, woah.. http://www.google.com/search2001.html |
| 06:41.06 | Corrodias | interesting... |
| 06:45.54 | Tekkub | lolsliders |
| 06:46.32 | NightHawkTheSane | haha "Guy: Okay, we can invite him too, but you have to remind him that pants are a requirement, not a mild suggestion." |
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| 06:49.30 | smcn | wow, rake ticking for almost 1k |
| 06:51.57 | Tekkub | pants are ALWAYS optional |
| 06:52.11 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: is it actually worth using now? |
| 06:52.11 | Neuro_Medivh | maybe at YOUR house |
| 06:52.20 | smcn | NightHawkTheSane i'd say so |
| 06:52.31 | zenzio | "In a startling announcement, European CM Vaneras has confirmed that Blizzard has no plans to remove the Mage class from the game." o_O |
| 06:52.31 | Tekkub | house? |
| 06:52.32 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: what level are you, and with how much AP? |
| 06:52.45 | smcn | 72, 3.6k |
| 06:52.48 | Neuro_Medivh | corner, street, alley, wherever you make your abode |
| 06:52.58 | smcn | it's really a shitload of damage over the time for just 35 energy imo |
| 06:53.05 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: hm, interesting, ill have to check it out |
| 06:53.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i hardly ever used rake on live |
| 06:53.36 | End | interesting\ |
| 06:53.46 | End | I don't show up anywhere in 2001 :P |
| 06:54.01 | NightHawkTheSane | End: what were you, born yesterday? :D |
| 06:54.24 | End | apparently |
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| 06:56.21 | smcn | well shit, i forgot to get king of the jungle.. guess that's what i get for only playing my feral once a week |
| 06:56.58 | NightHawkTheSane | End: strangely, i find mailing list posts from myself that.. i dont remember making. >< |
| 06:57.11 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: im not terribly impresed by that talent |
| 06:57.39 | smcn | it's good solo if you pounce->shred |
| 06:57.39 | End | around 2003 I show up in a lot of mailing list archives |
| 06:57.45 | smcn | not so much for mangle spam |
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| 06:58.26 | End | actually, I did have a site in 2001, but I'm not surprised it didn't get indexed |
| 06:58.50 | End | I played a lot of nethack back then, so I had some worthless nethack info |
| 06:59.36 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: yeah, i'm a FF->mangle kinda guy |
| 06:59.58 | NightHawkTheSane | pounce require stealth, which is too obnoxious to use if im grinding through mobs |
| 07:01.02 | End | I found a post in 2005 of someone wondering where I database I maintained went to (when they deleted my school district web server account when I graduated from high school) |
| 07:01.12 | End | which was in 2004 that it went away |
| 07:01.42 | End | that's fasinating though |
| 07:01.57 | End | apparently I'm really bad at sticking with projects sometimes >_> |
| 07:02.30 | WobWork | egoogle for me turned up chatlogs from when I was a cre on a MUD |
| 07:02.32 | NightHawkTheSane | End: heh, well, thats something you probably already knew :p |
| 07:02.40 | WobWork | unfortunately I couldn't reach the page |
| 07:02.41 | End | yes, it is :( |
| 07:02.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ~comfort end |
| 07:02.53 | purl | There, there, end. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:03.49 | End | I don't know when I even started that project though...was probably 2002 though |
| 07:04.00 | End | (so wouldn't be in the index anyways) |
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| 07:09.55 | smcn | one problem with rake though, it's trivial for a mob to fully block it :P |
| 07:10.04 | smcn | since the initial damage is only around 200 |
| 07:10.26 | End | does it being fully blocked prevent the dot? |
| 07:10.48 | smcn | yeah |
| 07:10.49 | End | (I should know this, since I used to play a druid, but I was bad, and this was years ago...YEARS) |
| 07:11.19 | Corrodias | since when do mobs block? |
| 07:11.26 | End | since forever |
| 07:11.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ... since.. always? |
| 07:11.32 | End | even insects can block |
| 07:11.43 | Corrodias | wh..huh. maybe i'm confusing terms |
| 07:11.43 | zenzio | yeah, mobs block even without shields |
| 07:11.44 | NightHawkTheSane | every mob can block/dodge/parry |
| 07:12.10 | End | I remember getting parried by insects in stratholme and thinking...I CAN'T EVEN FREAKIN PARRY |
| 07:12.14 | Corrodias | never mind, i'm sure i knew this, but i've forgotten shit |
| 07:12.16 | End | I was very sore about that |
| 07:12.17 | Corrodias | it's not important |
| 07:12.23 | End | (on my druid) |
| 07:12.30 | smcn | bear mobs are more adept defensively that bear druids :P |
| 07:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | bear mobs have been bears longer *nod* :) |
| 07:12.52 | End | well, they're more agile :P |
| 07:13.05 | End | bear druid has moar armor though, except maybe that bear god guy |
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| 07:14.18 | End | bear druid still has more armor |
| 07:14.43 | End | most bosses have 7700, except a few with 6200 |
| 07:14.55 | NightHawkTheSane | is there a lexicon of power anywhere other than dalaran? |
| 07:14.58 | End | yes |
| 07:15.06 | End | just look for the inscription trainer |
| 07:15.10 | End | so orgrimmar would have one |
| 07:15.18 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh, damn. |
| 07:15.19 | End | it's in the drag, can't say more than that |
| 07:15.38 | End | and I only know because I actually looked it up on wowhead (but ended up going to dalaran) |
| 07:15.42 | zenzio | End: don't some bosses have lower than 6200? Shade of Aran is like a total wimp on armor, at least it feels so |
| 07:15.47 | End | some do |
| 07:16.14 | End | Aran definitely being one of them |
| 07:16.32 | End | yeah, aran has fuck all |
| 07:16.34 | End | 3800 |
| 07:17.03 | Corrodias | and he stands still |
| 07:17.05 | zenzio | wow :) |
| 07:17.13 | End | RoS p1 has none of course |
| 07:17.15 | Corrodias | he's the boss designed to see how much damage your physical people can output |
| 07:18.00 | WobWork | and who can learn to not move in flame wreath |
| 07:18.27 | WobWork | Curator is designed for max caster dps blowout =) |
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| 07:18.40 | End | I used to get burned (literall) by how I stop casting on aran |
| 07:18.49 | WobWork | step forward? =) |
| 07:18.54 | End | yeah, or backward |
| 07:18.59 | WobWork | Terrible =) |
| 07:19.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, its faster than jumping |
| 07:19.06 | End | if you jump you can't cast until you land |
| 07:19.11 | End | unless its an instant cast |
| 07:19.15 | Thunder_Child | esc then |
| 07:19.19 | Corrodias | i'm good at hitting escape :| |
| 07:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | further to move your hand, usually |
| 07:19.31 | Corrodias | yes, but less explodey |
| 07:19.34 | WobWork | I've switched escape for capslock |
| 07:19.36 | NightHawkTheSane | well yes :P |
| 07:19.37 | WobWork | for vim |
| 07:19.38 | End | escape is far away, and I was trained not on aran :P |
| 07:19.58 | End | I used to play a druid pre-TBC, so I used to stop casting a lot, and it was easier to move slightly |
| 07:20.03 | WobWork | I still love Chant of Aran though |
| 07:20.04 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: not a terrible idea, actually |
| 07:20.13 | End | now I play a warlock, so elementals come out and I blow up the raid :P |
| 07:20.18 | End | well, that only happened once |
| 07:20.24 | WobWork | End: So not much has changed? =) |
| 07:20.33 | End | well, I stop casting less |
| 07:21.11 | End | but moving to stop a cast is a very deeply embedded habit |
| 07:21.14 | ulikemysong | can someone give me a link to help me out creating a scrolling list with xml plz ? |
| 07:21.53 | End | I don't know if I was still playing my druid when we finally killed Aran |
| 07:21.59 | WobWork | http://shadeofaranchant.ytmnd.com/ |
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| 07:24.37 | End | hmm, now that I think about it, I never blew once up the raid on aran until long after I stopped regularly doing kara |
| 07:26.18 | Arrowmaster | i only blew up the raid in the early days of kara when it was a wipe and i wanted to save some gold |
| 07:27.18 | Corrodias | how did that save gold? |
| 07:27.28 | End | it counts as damage from a player |
| 07:27.30 | End | I would imagine |
| 07:27.30 | Corrodias | oh, death caused by player |
| 07:29.36 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, there's NO sign on the inscription trainer building in org |
| 07:30.48 | smcn | NO you can't have inscription. NOT YOURS |
| 07:31.46 | Neuro_Medivh | wish I knew why ytmnd.com crashes firefox |
| 07:31.56 | End | NightHawkTheSane: sure? |
| 07:32.04 | End | or do the guards not know |
| 07:32.09 | Corrodias | Neuro_Medivh: probably your quicktime plugin |
| 07:32.10 | NightHawkTheSane | the guards will give you directions |
| 07:32.12 | Corrodias | i haven't found one that works right |
| 07:32.26 | NightHawkTheSane | but, you know how like the other buildings have signs outside to say what they are |
| 07:32.29 | NightHawkTheSane | that building doesn't |
| 07:32.43 | End | ah |
| 07:32.53 | End | it might be the upper level |
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| 07:33.11 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, i found it, it is. :P |
| 07:33.23 | NightHawkTheSane | but even the buildings up there have signs |
| 07:33.41 | End | submit a bug report :P |
| 07:33.47 | End | say you need a sign or you get lost :P |
| 07:33.51 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 07:33.56 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, i find it hilarious. :) |
| 07:39.31 | smcn | hmm.. is it possible to have a ghoul named cryptkeeper? just saw one named corpsekeeper, it's so close! |
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| 07:44.01 | smcn | interesting, 3rd major glyph slot is unlocked at 80 now |
| 07:49.33 | Neuro_Medivh | what was it unlocked at before? |
| 07:52.11 | Neuro_Medivh | wtf, they removed the glyph vendors? |
| 07:53.43 | smcn | wtf, there were glyph vendors? |
| 07:53.46 | smcn | :( |
| 07:53.49 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, a few hours ago |
| 07:53.56 | Neuro_Medivh | now they're gone |
| 07:53.58 | smcn | oh |
| 07:54.02 | smcn | maybe they were killed? |
| 07:54.04 | smcn | :P |
| 07:54.23 | smcn | anyways re:unlock, not sure but i know all my glyph slots were open at 70 |
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| 07:55.23 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: they were until this last bild |
| 07:55.36 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: they changed one of t he major glyph slots to be unlocked at 80 |
| 07:55.43 | smcn | [00:43:59] <smcn> interesting, 3rd major glyph slot is unlocked at 80 now |
| 07:55.45 | smcn | :) |
| 07:55.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to learn to read up more. |
| 07:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | but yes, that's a recent change. :p |
| 07:59.30 | smcn | Neuro_Medivh where are the glyph vendors supposed to be? |
| 08:01.20 | smcn | i guess probably at the inscription trainer |
| 08:04.18 | Tem | you didn't notice the MASSIVE group of people at the inscription vendor? |
| 08:04.45 | smcn | i assume you're talking about dalaran but i'm on my 72 atm ;( |
| 08:12.46 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, they were in dalaran at the inscription trainer.. I was too busy doing something else to stock up on glyphs, and now it's too late |
| 08:12.53 | Neuro_Medivh | I forgot the first rule of Beta |
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| 08:36.13 | |pez| | OHYEAH BABY! I'm not poor anymore! |
| 08:37.12 | zenzio | grats |
| 08:37.16 | zenzio | how come? |
| 08:37.41 | |pez| | studentloans and stuff. :P |
| 08:37.51 | |pez| | So... temporarily not poor. |
| 08:37.54 | zenzio | :) |
| 08:38.01 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, you're even more poor than before, really |
| 08:38.09 | zenzio | now don't go spending it all on fancy clothes and stuff |
| 08:38.26 | zenzio | student loans are relatively cheap loans at least |
| 08:38.27 | |pez| | zenzio: I've gotten fat, I need new clothes for winter. |
| 08:38.33 | Neuro_Medivh | that's good advice... if you spend it all you won't have any left for hookers and booze |
| 08:38.37 | Corrodias | Glenn Frey - You Belong To The City |
| 08:38.46 | smcn | go buy yourself some flapjacks... and hookers! in fact, forget the flapjacks! |
| 08:38.47 | |pez| | I don't want hookers. |
| 08:38.56 | zenzio | |pez|: I'm talking about the kind of "fancy" you like to link - not everyday clothes ;-) |
| 08:39.04 | |pez| | .. oh :D |
| 08:43.02 | AnduinLothar | whats the wotlk lvl 80 hit cap for 2handers? |
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| 08:46.57 | |pez| | zenzelezz: I was thinking getting some normal everyday skirts and stuff |
| 08:47.22 | zenzio | that's the sort of thing you're meant to use the money for :) |
| 08:47.48 | |pez| | actually, no |
| 08:47.55 | |pez| | I'm meant to use the money on paying the damned school. |
| 08:48.32 | zenzio | nah, not just that. Anything that gets you through the school |
| 08:48.55 | zenzio | I even worked with a guy one summer who took out a maximum student loan and put it in stocks |
| 08:49.07 | |pez| | well, I've got to pay 44 500 to the school... |
| 08:49.18 | |pez| | that leaves me with... this months rent. |
| 08:49.26 | Corrodias | hefty |
| 08:49.43 | zenzio | that's because of your choice of school. Not all schools cost that much |
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| 08:49.51 | |pez| | I know that. :P |
| 08:50.30 | zenzio | so in *your* case it'll go mostly to paying the school, but for others it might be more for other crap :-p |
| 08:50.43 | |pez| | like hookers and booze |
| 08:50.50 | zenzio | if that's your sort of thing |
| 08:51.08 | |pez| | But, I was gonna treat myself with a waffleiron today. I've been wanting waffles for ages. |
| 08:51.23 | zenzio | just look into whether you can have any of the loan converted into a scholarship or whatever it's called. In some cases you can have at least part of it converted |
| 08:51.27 | zenzio | assuming you finish the school |
| 08:52.16 | |pez| | Well ofcourse |
| 08:52.29 | |pez| | I'll get around... 37k or so made convertet. |
| 08:52.42 | zenzio | would be nice =) |
| 08:52.52 | |pez| | Out of... 136k total ;P |
| 08:53.19 | zenzio | can't expect to have it all for free; that's still 27% |
| 08:53.27 | Corrodias | impressive cost |
| 08:53.28 | |pez| | Actually, probably not that much total |
| 08:53.56 | |pez| | around 50k of it is labeled "school money" and not loan. |
| 08:54.33 | zenzio | Corrodias: we're talking Norwegian currency, divide by about 8.25 for Euro value or 5.8 for US Dollar value |
| 08:54.57 | Corrodias | oh |
| 08:54.59 | Kalroth | http://xe.com/ucc/ is your friend |
| 08:56.23 | Kalroth | 1 DKK = 1.10836 NOK |
| 08:56.27 | Kalroth | weak currency! |
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| 11:57.04 | Mikk | I just ask google when i want currencies |
| 11:57.14 | Mikk | "1 dkk in nok" |
| 11:58.33 | nevcairiel | same |
| 11:59.59 | Mikk | granted, they "only" display citibank's rates but.. bah, can't be that bloody far off |
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| 12:22.02 | Shirik|zZz | lol batrick |
| 12:22.07 | Shirik|zZz | you joined #shiibot to laugh at the bots? |
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| 12:29.43 | cbreak | there seems to be a race condition |
| 12:29.47 | Shirik | lua> print(("AaBb"):lower()) |
| 12:29.48 | lua_bot | Shirik: aabb |
| 12:29.53 | ZorbaTHut | mikk, it's actually the same rates that google's ad system uses for conversions |
| 12:30.03 | cbreak | I was moved to #shiibot once because the auto join was faster than the auto authentification |
| 12:30.06 | ZorbaTHut | so google has financial reasons to keep those rates correct ;) |
| 12:30.16 | Shirik | !quit |
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| 12:45.20 | zenzio | hai peppy |
| 12:45.23 | cbreak | I wonder if a petition could convince blizz to un-nerf Deep Freeze. |
| 12:45.45 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. |
| 12:46.09 | Fisker- | cbreak Blizzard does not communicate at the level we do |
| 12:46.10 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak, in my experience petitions get deleted, not read. Suggestions and feedback, not mob scenes, are the way to communicate. |
| 12:46.40 | Fisker- | For example |
| 12:46.43 | cbreak | I thought of a more formal petition |
| 12:46.44 | Fisker- | If there is two posts |
| 12:46.48 | Fisker- | "OMG HOLY PALADINS SUCK" |
| 12:46.56 | Fisker- | Or "Constructive feedback about holy paladins" |
| 12:47.06 | Fisker- | Then they will reply to "OMG HOLY PALADINS SUCK" with "OMG ALL HEALERS SUCK" |
| 12:47.09 | amro | petitions? when did game dev become a democracy? |
| 12:47.18 | Lopeppeppy | amro: exactly |
| 12:47.21 | Fisker- | And then they'll go back to their little cave >:3 |
| 12:47.25 | cbreak | hmm... you think I should try to bribe them? |
| 12:47.53 | Fisker- | gonna do a hostile takeover of Activision Blizzard |
| 12:48.08 | cbreak | that's expensive :/ |
| 12:48.09 | Fisker- | Next agenda on the stockholders meeting: "Buff paladins" |
| 12:48.57 | cbreak | anyone knows the stock symbol of blizzard? |
| 12:49.22 | Shirik | ATVI |
| 12:49.27 | Fisker- | http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/SummaryQuote.asp?symbol=ATVI&selected=ATVI |
| 12:49.27 | Fisker- | DO IT |
| 12:49.49 | Shirik | keylogger |
| 12:49.58 | Fisker- | so 700 million shares |
| 12:50.11 | Fisker- | that's not bad |
| 12:50.26 | Fisker- | only 10,5 billion USD needed |
| 12:50.55 | cbreak | seems their stock price fell massively when the nerf was rumored |
| 12:51.03 | Fisker- | :D |
| 12:51.04 | Shirik | really? |
| 12:51.07 | cbreak | and rose when they actually nerfed it :( |
| 12:51.10 | Shirik | rofl |
| 12:51.14 | cbreak | (lame) |
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| 12:58.27 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043239621&sid=2000 win |
| 13:01.21 | Tifi | um did anyone ever manage to get more than 23 kegs delivered in the ram racing daily? |
| 13:01.27 | Shirik | RE: Paladins "Holy left in shambles" <- true story? I haven't played with it myself. |
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| 13:02.37 | Fisker- | yeah Shirik |
| 13:02.42 | Fisker- | Deep holy is still shit |
| 13:02.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 13:02.53 | Fisker- | People found out that you could spec holy/ret and get awesome mana regen |
| 13:03.07 | Fisker- | Blizzard nerfed ret awesome mana regen some more, and then nerfed holy mana regen again |
| 13:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | No point in being a healadin all the way anymore, with that clear of a choice. |
| 13:03.19 | Fisker- | I'm going ret as it stands now |
| 13:03.35 | Lopeppeppy | I'm staying holy, no matter how much it hurts me... but I think I'll be playing my priestess a lot more. |
| 13:03.54 | Fisker- | Already annoying enough being harassed by healers for being in the bottom of healing on fights like Bloodboil, RoS, etc. |
| 13:04.11 | Shirik | Time for class, we talk more about this later |
| 13:04.14 | Shirik|AFK | wtf |
| 13:04.16 | Shirik|AFK | Fisker- |
| 13:04.18 | Shirik|AFK | That's not even fair |
| 13:04.25 | Fisker- | i know |
| 13:04.31 | Shirik|AFK | I mean, I've pulled aggro on bloodboil from healingas a priest. I don't expect anyone to come anywhere close to me |
| 13:04.34 | Fisker- | The only fights i'm really good is fights like Council etc. |
| 13:04.50 | Shirik|AFK | Those fights were tailored for priests |
| 13:04.51 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I absosmurfly HATE how that's happening right now. *sigh* |
| 13:04.59 | Shirik|AFK | anyway, talk more later |
| 13:05.05 | Shirik|AFK | Shiibot, you have the con |
| 13:05.10 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, tell that to the min/maxers, who say we don't deserve a spot in the raids anymore because we suck. |
| 13:05.21 | Shiibot | Aye, sir! |
| 13:05.44 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, he talks, how precious! |
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| 13:08.24 | Flisher | Boya, anyone can do a pastey on the lua file of the CharacterWindow? I'm not at home and grought the wrong usb key... |
| 13:08.34 | Flisher | wrong dev chan, sorry |
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| 13:25.03 | krka | shiny |
| 13:25.18 | |pez| | yeeees |
| 13:25.39 | krka | (I meant shiny as in the phrase used in firefly) |
| 13:26.17 | |pez| | (I know) |
| 13:26.27 | |pez| | or.. guessed |
| 13:26.49 | |pez| | Now... I don't really remember how it was used in firefly |
| 13:26.54 | |pez| | but I want to watch the series again. |
| 13:26.57 | |pez| | cause it kicked ass. |
| 13:28.20 | alestane | It was basically the Firefly equivalent of "cool" or "slick". |
| 13:28.30 | |pez| | ah, right |
| 13:28.56 | alestane | Since the majority of them live in a world coated with grime. |
| 13:29.16 | |pez| | woah, instant locking of back. not cool. |
| 13:30.24 | |pez| | I'm wondering if if the world will be fireflyish when we venture into space. |
| 13:31.54 | Lopeppeppy | Sadly, it would be horrible if it were. |
| 13:32.02 | alestane | I suspect it will be more Fireflyish than Star Trekish. |
| 13:32.07 | krka | no shit |
| 13:32.10 | Lopeppeppy | True, alestane |
| 13:32.20 | krka | i suspect it will be more fireflyish than star wars too |
| 13:32.38 | |pez| | I don't wanna live on a grimy icky planet :o |
| 13:32.40 | krka | firefly is atleast semi-realistic, unlike star trek |
| 13:32.44 | alestane | krka: That's to be expected, Star Wars was a long time ago. |
| 13:33.07 | krka | in a galaxy far away |
| 13:33.46 | Mikk | Yoink, I'm in the yellow with The Grox |
| 13:34.45 | Mikk | But they're still firing at me :-( |
| 13:35.50 | Lopeppeppy | ... aboard the starship enterprise under captain kirk! |
| 13:38.06 | |pez| | never did watch Star Trek |
| 13:38.58 | Mikk | fail |
| 13:39.01 | p3lim | Whats the diffrence between UnitPower and UnitPowerMax? |
| 13:39.11 | p3lim | nevermind, stupid question >_> |
| 13:44.16 | Maldivia | there's a UnitPower now? |
| 13:44.41 | Maldivia | to replace UnitMana? |
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| 13:45.59 | alestane | That's what I understand. You specify which power score you want, if they have more than one. |
| 13:46.44 | alestane | Presumably it either defaults to mana, or to whatever their active power score is. |
| 13:46.46 | Maldivia | uhh... so UnitPower("player", POWER_MANA) and UnitPower("player", POWER_ENERGY) to get both energy and mana for a druid in cat for? (or what ever the constants are - can't remember) |
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| 13:47.16 | Maldivia | nifty |
| 13:49.21 | cbreak | UnitMana continues to exist? |
| 13:49.41 | alestane | I believe so, for compatibility, but deprecated in favor of UnitPower. |
| 13:52.59 | nevcairiel | oh thats nice |
| 13:53.02 | Maldivia | just like UnitBuff and UnitDebuff still exists as wrappers for UnitAura |
| 13:53.04 | nevcairiel | good bye LibDruidMana |
| 13:53.40 | Maldivia | nice to be able to say goodbye to that |
| 13:53.52 | Maldivia | (as in, it should have been a part of the API for a long time) |
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| 13:54.58 | Lunessa | station |
| 13:55.22 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
| 13:56.05 | Lunessa | Morning! |
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| 13:57.04 | Lunessa | Mail delivery to the island resumed yesterday. I got my netflix from last month. |
| 13:57.22 | Lopeppeppy | ... Yeep. |
| 13:58.41 | cbreak | so I have time to change my addon one the functions are documented |
| 13:58.44 | cbreak | great |
| 13:59.12 | kneeki | Lunessa: Island? |
| 13:59.33 | Lunessa | Galveston. |
| 14:00.14 | kneeki | Texas? |
| 14:00.36 | kneeki | I didn't know that there was a little island out there =p |
| 14:02.15 | kneeki | oh noes |
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| 14:04.06 | |pez| | slippers used to be called thongs? - http://notalwaysright.com/when-generations-collide/52 |
| 14:04.29 | alestane | I think I've heard the term thong sandals once or twice. |
| 14:05.24 | Lunessa | Indeed. 1960s and early 1970s |
| 14:05.36 | Maldivia | thongsandal.com ? |
| 14:05.37 | |pez| | waahaha - http://notalwaysright.com/this-ones-in-another-timezone/43 |
| 14:07.45 | |pez| | thong sandals.... I'd probably react too if an old man came in and asked for thongs... |
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| 14:26.25 | Lunessa | See, the problem in the world today is that young women all think older men are creepy for wanting to see young women in thongs. *sigh* |
| 14:27.14 | krka | that was random |
| 14:28.07 | Lunessa | ... naw... just on a long delay from pez's comments. |
| 14:31.29 | jaxdahl2 | blizzard is riiich now, $6m from glider |
| 14:31.39 | Lunessa | link? |
| 14:32.23 | Kalroth | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7645059.stm |
| 14:32.39 | jaxdahl2 | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/01/1233258 another link |
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| 14:34.28 | Lunessa | Well, just goes to show you that you can win lots of things in court. |
| 14:37.15 | Lopeppeppy | Neatness. |
| 14:38.47 | alestane | I thought the suit was to stop Glider's owner from "opne-sourcing" it. |
| 14:40.15 | Lopeppeppy | Well, it seems to have stopped it quite dead entirely. |
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| 14:47.09 | kneeki | Can someone do me a favor and show me how I should be using http://lua-users.org/wiki/CopyTable to copy my table. =\ |
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| 14:48.46 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah!!!! Only a weekish left!!! |
| 14:49.01 | cbreak | it looks quite straight forward kneeki. |
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| 14:49.17 | kneeki | cbreak: That's what I thought. Heh |
| 14:50.31 | kneeki | local b = {}; b = deepcopy(a) |
| 14:50.37 | kneeki | That doesn't work. =\ |
| 14:51.03 | alestane | local b = deebcopy(a). No reason to make a garbage tale first. |
| 14:51.22 | kneeki | oh wait... |
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| 14:51.29 | kneeki | Damnit! |
| 14:51.32 | kneeki | I hate being bad. |
| 14:51.35 | kneeki | =\ |
| 14:51.43 | cbreak | both should work |
| 14:51.48 | cbreak | you just create garbage |
| 14:52.06 | kneeki | I am just doing it all wrong. |
| 14:54.33 | alestane | Well that's silly. |
| 14:56.00 | kneeki | Ugh, I can't wrap my head around this Ok and Cancel button thing |
| 14:56.05 | kneeki | Something just isn't clicking |
| 14:56.20 | Lopeppeppy | buttons... not clicking.... |
| 14:57.15 | alestane | kneeki: Working with the interface options screen? |
| 14:57.26 | kneeki | alestane: ... You could call it that |
| 14:57.32 | kneeki | More like it's working me over. |
| 14:57.53 | kneeki | I understand how the buttons should work |
| 14:58.05 | kneeki | I've just never thought about the code before |
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| 14:59.42 | Josh_Borke | kneeki: what isn't working? |
| 15:00.07 | kneeki | Give me a few, and I'll offer you the chance at laughing |
| 15:00.19 | kneeki | I know it's just so painfully stupid |
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| 15:02.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, Glider case is closed, they owe blizz $6 million |
| 15:02.56 | Seerah | ohhh |
| 15:02.56 | elite3vil | Not closed yet |
| 15:02.58 | elite3vil | they might owe more |
| 15:03.08 | elite3vil | depending on if Blizz appeals one of the rulings |
| 15:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 15:03.33 | ScytheBlade1 | So far I've only seen one rather short article |
| 15:03.38 | Doow | any info on how much money they earned on it? |
| 15:03.49 | elite3vil | $2.5M |
| 15:03.51 | Fisker- | From what i can see it doesn't actually stop him |
| 15:04.06 | jaxdahl2 | chilling effect on other similar projects? |
| 15:04.09 | Fisker- | But i guess that's what the trial in january is about |
| 15:04.19 | kneeki | There ya go: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/97158 |
| 15:04.29 | nevcairiel | if he has to pay the 6 million himself, he has other stuff to worry about :P |
| 15:04.34 | kneeki | I know my panel.cancel button has nothing there, I'm working on the OK button currently. |
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| 15:05.13 | kneeki | For the most part, what happens is the table is not being copied over when the player clicks Ok |
| 15:05.48 | kneeki | originalValues = deepcopy(MinimalisqueDB) works just fine, because I use that (as you see) to check the box in the first place |
| 15:06.30 | Josh_Borke | did you put in a debug statement on line 27 to see if your function is being called? |
| 15:06.45 | kneeki | Yes, and it is |
| 15:06.58 | Josh_Borke | but your MinimalisqueDB is not being populated with new options, correct? |
| 15:07.06 | kneeki | nope |
| 15:07.21 | Josh_Borke | you don't ever change anything in the table |
| 15:07.31 | kneeki | My guess, is that the table is local to just the loading of the options |
| 15:07.38 | khamer | First time I ever got refused an answer to a yes or no question in an IRC channel because I "will have more questions" (in ##C++)... Sometimes seem off to you? |
| 15:07.38 | Josh_Borke | you need to add "originalValues.EasyBuff = var" on line 39 |
| 15:08.03 | kneeki | ... |
| 15:08.14 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.34 | Josh_Borke | kneeki: also, you colud just do: originalValues.EasyBuff = not originalValues.EasyBuff |
| 15:09.02 | kneeki | ? |
| 15:09.25 | kneeki | That actually works? |
| 15:09.33 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 15:09.58 | kneeki | Awesome! |
| 15:10.12 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 15:11.20 | alestane | kneeki: You might also want to take a look at HealThyself. |
| 15:11.42 | kneeki | alestane: Why is that? |
| 15:12.07 | alestane | It adds a check button to the interace panels, but takes a different approach to maintaining it. |
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| 15:12.45 | kneeki | Hmm, I'll check that. Thanks =) |
| 15:13.30 | alestane | Also, if you stick with the approach you've got, change line 27 to MinimalisqueDB = originalValues, without the deepcopy. You'll generate half as much garbage. |
| 15:14.00 | kneeki | alestane: But that wont work I thought? |
| 15:14.12 | alestane | I don't see why it wouldn't. |
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| 15:14.36 | kneeki | alestane: Well, That is what I originally tried to do. But I was suggested to use deepcopy yesterday |
| 15:14.58 | alestane | You only need to deepcopy in one direction. |
| 15:15.06 | kneeki | oh? |
| 15:15.50 | alestane | You make a temporary copy of your options for the user to play with. Then once they're done, commit those changes to the original. |
| 15:15.59 | kneeki | mhmm |
| 15:16.20 | kneeki | But if I don't do a deep, will i still get my full table? 't.blah.blah ? |
| 15:16.32 | cbreak | in os x, options are immediate. easier :) |
| 15:16.34 | Josh_Borke | kneeki: yes |
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| 15:16.51 | kneeki | ok |
| 15:17.14 | zenzelezz | options taking effect immediately is nice, so long as they still remember their previous value so you can cancel them |
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| 15:17.37 | cbreak | usually not the case. |
| 15:17.38 | alestane | Hmm, based on the way it looks like you're doing things, maybe you're fine doing a copy both ways. |
| 15:18.22 | kneeki | heh |
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| 15:18.31 | kneeki | Using the cancel button is keeping the changes I make |
| 15:18.33 | kneeki | gg |
| 15:19.27 | kneeki | http://www.wowi.pastey.net/97160 |
| 15:19.32 | kneeki | cancel button is commiting changes |
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| 15:20.52 | Fisker- | Weâre currently planning to end the fourth Arena season on October 14, 2008 |
| 15:20.54 | Fisker- | Patch date! |
| 15:21.05 | kneeki | Fisker-: ! |
| 15:21.07 | kneeki | Good find |
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| 15:21.55 | Legorol | Fisker-: historically, patch dates and arena season end/start dates never coincided |
| 15:22.23 | Josh_Borke | kneeki: you did that completely wrong, you don't need to copy tables all the time |
| 15:22.28 | cbreak | 2.0 brought arenas |
| 15:22.30 | Josh_Borke | kneeki: get rid of line 38 |
| 15:22.43 | Esine | <Fisker-> Weâre currently planning to end the fourth Arena season on October 14, 2008 |
| 15:22.44 | Esine | source please |
| 15:23.00 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5963200897&sid=1 |
| 15:23.02 | kneeki | Josh_Borke: Ok, I thought that's what you told me to do |
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| 15:23.59 | Esine | thanks. |
| 15:24.04 | Josh_Borke | kneeki: no, i told you to do what you did on line 37 |
| 15:24.17 | kneeki | Josh_Borke: lol oh |
| 15:24.30 | Josh_Borke | i don't know where you got that line 38 stuff |
| 15:24.34 | kneeki | Well, I removed line 38, and the same problem occurs |
| 15:24.46 | kneeki | Cancel button = committing changes |
| 15:24.48 | Josh_Borke | what you did with line 38 was to overwrite any changes made to originalValues |
| 15:25.36 | kneeki | Josh_Borke: Yeah, that makes sense.. |
| 15:25.39 | kneeki | Hmm |
| 15:26.15 | kneeki | The ok button works fine though |
| 15:26.51 | kneeki | Is Minimalisque:LoadOptions loaded every time I open the window? |
| 15:26.56 | kneeki | I should check for that.. |
| 15:27.30 | kneeki | Well, that explains that. |
| 15:27.33 | kneeki | It's only loaded once |
| 15:27.50 | alestane | You only want it loaded once. |
| 15:28.09 | kneeki | alestane: But my originalValues var wont refresh |
| 15:28.25 | alestane | You want to do that OnShow, not OnLoad. |
| 15:28.35 | kneeki | ... *bonk* |
| 15:29.09 | alestane | I could have sworn a just heard a melon being bounced off a desk. |
| 15:29.50 | kneeki | Yes, I felt it good. Heh |
| 15:29.55 | kneeki | Nearly spilt my coffee |
| 15:34.12 | alestane | I'll knock together an example once I get my last kill on this quest. |
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| 15:35.19 | p3lim | haste: how come i get this error on every addon that uses oUF on 3.0? 'attempt to index global 'oUF' (a nil value)' |
| 15:38.35 | haste | I have no answer |
| 15:38.37 | cbreak | you could do oUF = {} ;) |
| 15:38.48 | zenzelezz | I assume it's because oUF is nil |
| 15:39.23 | haste | that's pretty obvious :p |
| 15:39.35 | haste | and oUF = {} isn't a solution |
| 15:40.46 | cbreak | well... it would at least change the error message |
| 15:41.41 | haste | it will change the error message, but it won't solve the issue in anyway |
| 15:41.52 | haste | neither will it help you locate the issue |
| 15:42.47 | cbreak | maybe you could put a table with a meta table for index in it, what prints stack traces when it is called... hmm... |
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| 15:44.34 | haste | you think way too complicated :p |
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| 15:47.00 | Lunessa | Install DevTools. :P |
| 15:47.22 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.33 | kneeki | For testing, is there a way to get the boolean false to show up as just the word false? Same for true |
| 15:48.00 | Slakah | lua> print(tostring(false)) |
| 15:48.00 | lua_bot | Slakah: false |
| 15:48.00 | cbreak | tried tostring? |
| 15:48.14 | Shirik|AFK | Slakah: print does its own tostring call |
| 15:48.17 | Legorol | lua> bool = false; print(bool) |
| 15:48.17 | lua_bot | Legorol: false |
| 15:48.21 | kneeki | I wasn't sure if it would work |
| 15:48.31 | Legorol | lua> bool = false; print(bool == true) |
| 15:48.32 | lua_bot | Legorol: false |
| 15:48.35 | Legorol | lua> bool = false; print(bool == false) |
| 15:48.35 | lua_bot | Legorol: true |
| 15:49.10 | cbreak | lua> print(type(false)); print(type(tostring(false)) |
| 15:49.10 | lua_bot | cbreak: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 15:49.15 | cbreak | lua> print(type(false)); print(type(tostring(false))) |
| 15:49.15 | lua_bot | cbreak: boolean, string |
| 15:49.29 | Legorol | idd |
| 15:49.35 | Legorol | lua> bool = false; print(bool == "false") |
| 15:49.35 | lua_bot | Legorol: false |
| 15:49.49 | Shirik|AFK | lua> maybe = loadstring(string.dump(function() return ({[true]=true})[true] end):gsub('\1\1','\1\2'))(); print(type(maybe)=='boolean', type == true, type == false); |
| 15:49.50 | lua_bot | Shirik|AFK: true, false, false |
| 15:50.02 | Legorol | rofl Shirik|AFK |
| 15:51.14 | Lunessa | meh, I skipped the fish-giving of a guy who wanted a whole section of code. |
| 15:52.47 | Legorol | cogwheel: I have read your macro guide, but wanted to consult the ultimate authority on a particular issue. I have seen some macros with the conditional [target=noexists], is that actually valid? |
| 15:52.57 | cogwheel | nope |
| 15:53.05 | Shirik|AFK | well, define "valid" |
| 15:53.06 | cogwheel | target= takes unit ids |
| 15:53.24 | cogwheel | so unless you had someone in your party named Noexists, it won't do anything expected |
| 15:53.25 | Legorol | that's what i thought |
| 15:53.42 | Shirik|AFK | cogwheel: I think it could do something expected: It would do nothing :) |
| 15:54.21 | cogwheel | we specifically used the = for target instead of the : used for other options because it's an assignment, not a check |
| 15:54.57 | Legorol | also, target= takes a unit ID *or* a name, right? |
| 15:55.11 | cogwheel | well, i consider names of party members as part of the definition of unit id |
| 15:55.21 | Shirik|AFK | a name is a valid unit id if in the party/rtaid |
| 15:55.23 | Legorol | ok |
| 15:55.31 | alestane | Legorol: If there's someone in your group named "Noexists", it's valid. |
| 15:55.32 | Legorol | thanks, that makes it clear |
| 15:55.36 | cbreak | I need an alt by the name of raid11 |
| 15:55.44 | alestane | kneeki: Look this over: http://www.wowi.pastey.net/97163 |
| 15:56.00 | alestane | cbreak: I believe they disallowed those. |
| 15:56.00 | cbreak | or better, "targettarget" |
| 15:56.07 | cbreak | och :( |
| 15:56.14 | cogwheel | alestane: they were supposed to but didn't... |
| 15:56.18 | kneeki | alestane: Wow, that's completely redone |
| 15:56.20 | Legorol | Another question: is there any way to abbreviate "or" type conditional checking? For example: |
| 15:56.44 | Legorol | /someslash [target=focus, condition1][target=focus, condition2] |
| 15:56.53 | Legorol | can that be abbreviated in any way? (I'm running out of macro space) |
| 15:56.58 | cbreak | you can leave away spaces |
| 15:57.07 | Legorol | ~lart cbreak |
| 15:57.07 | purl | teaches cbreak the basics, including how to RTM |
| 15:57.20 | alestane | Legorol: Not really. |
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| 15:57.37 | cbreak | if you don't want answers, don't ask :) |
| 15:57.44 | Legorol | so /someslash [target=focus,condition1/condition2] wouldn't work |
| 15:57.47 | kneeki | alestane: It doesn't look like I would even need a deepcopy with that |
| 15:57.53 | alestane | kneeki: No. |
| 15:57.54 | Legorol | that's a pity |
| 15:57.56 | cogwheel | Legorol: no, but there's a "pending" suggestion in my list to allow you to set a default target= for the whole macro |
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| 15:58.33 | cogwheel | http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=target&searchType=all <-- these guys were supposed to get forced name changes in 2.0 according to slouken... |
| 15:58.40 | kneeki | alestane: That is amazing work! |
| 15:58.59 | alestane | kneeki: That's basically how the built-in panels do it. |
| 15:59.40 | kneeki | alestane: Oh? Sloukens code baffles me a lot of the time. =\ |
| 15:59.50 | cogwheel | most of it's not slouken's code, btw... |
| 15:59.55 | alestane | It's actually Zootfizzle's code. |
| 16:00.00 | kneeki | O.o |
| 16:00.02 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:00.08 | kneeki | Well, that's news! |
| 16:00.11 | kneeki | To me |
| 16:00.32 | alestane | The lines like "-- table for re-use! Yay re-use!" are dead giveaways. |
| 16:00.36 | cogwheel | slouken created most of the systems but the UI code itself was done by the rest of the team |
| 16:00.49 | cogwheel | s/systems/underlying systems/ |
| 16:00.52 | Legorol | can anyone think of a cleverer way of doing the following: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97164 |
| 16:00.59 | kneeki | Haha |
| 16:01.02 | Josh_Borke | yes, with a spoon |
| 16:01.07 | Josh_Borke | s/oon/ork/ |
| 16:01.19 | Legorol | also, I'd really like to be able to do the /targetlasttarget anyway if the checks in /stopmacro evaluate to true |
| 16:01.22 | Legorol | any way to do that? |
| 16:01.29 | Fisker- | >:3 |
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| 16:01.33 | Fisker- | ~Fisker---- |
| 16:01.34 | Josh_Borke | ask fisker--! |
| 16:01.38 | Fisker- | ~karma Fisker-- |
| 16:01.38 | purl | fisker-- has karma of -1 |
| 16:01.57 | cbreak | Legorol: the target you want is friendly? |
| 16:02.05 | Legorol | The intended design for the macro is: attempt to target a named person, and execute commands on him if he is not dead etc. Irrespective of success or failure, return target to the previous one. |
| 16:02.12 | p3lim | haste: have you tested oUF on the lastest build? |
| 16:02.26 | Legorol | cbreak: yes, a raid member |
| 16:02.39 | Fisker- | analog still around Lunessa? >:3 |
| 16:02.50 | Josh_Borke | Lunessa: grats to your friend |
| 16:02.53 | p3lim | wth, got the exact same error on live |
| 16:02.54 | Fisker- | <-subtle |
| 16:02.55 | cbreak | you can use [target=name] instead of changing your target |
| 16:02.55 | Josh_Borke | Fisker-: analog will never leave |
| 16:03.03 | p3lim | thats after I updated to lastest version |
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| 16:03.09 | cbreak | that would also save the /targetlasttarget |
| 16:03.20 | haste | p3lim: nope |
| 16:03.21 | Legorol | cbreak: there's a problem with that, I'd have to put [target=name] and all the conditional checks in every single command I'm trying to execute on him |
| 16:03.30 | cogwheel | cbreak: that wouldn't take into account the ".. random commands executed on the target .." |
| 16:03.33 | Fisker- | i'm so trollish Josh_Borke :( |
| 16:03.33 | p3lim | haste: have you tested latest version on live though? |
| 16:03.42 | haste | yes |
| 16:03.52 | Legorol | cogwheel: I take it this is why you'd like to be able to set a target= globally for a macro |
| 16:03.58 | cogwheel | aye |
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| 16:04.01 | cbreak | it depends on what those random targets are I guess. |
| 16:04.09 | Legorol | no, the commands are random |
| 16:04.13 | Legorol | the target is the same ;) |
| 16:04.14 | p3lim | no issues? |
| 16:04.24 | cogwheel | less "what", more "how many" |
| 16:04.29 | Legorol | part of the problem is that some of the commands are /s and /y, which don't take conditionals |
| 16:04.38 | cbreak | if it's a list of emotes |
| 16:04.39 | alestane | kneeki: Do you understand what I did? |
| 16:04.40 | cogwheel | Legorol: MacroTalk ;) |
| 16:04.43 | Shirik|AFK | Does publix have stmaps? |
| 16:04.44 | Shirik|AFK | stamps? |
| 16:04.52 | cogwheel | = conditional chat commands |
| 16:04.53 | Shirik|AFK | Do I have to buy like a whole pack of them or can I just get 2? |
| 16:04.57 | kneeki | alestane: I do, very much! It's so much easier to read/manage than that crap I had |
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| 16:05.02 | Legorol | cogwheel: unfortunately I will never be able to get everyone in my raid to install it :( |
| 16:05.03 | kneeki | alestane: Thanks so much for your help |
| 16:05.09 | alestane | Good, glad it helps. |
| 16:05.23 | cogwheel | Legorol: jjw |
| 16:05.27 | cogwheel | s/jj/ee/ |
| 16:05.40 | cbreak | chat commands are not target aware |
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| 16:05.49 | Legorol | they can be if you use %t |
| 16:05.52 | cogwheel | Neuro_Medivh: u gief fios nao plx |
| 16:06.00 | cbreak | hmm... yes. |
| 16:06.14 | cbreak | but the name is hard coded in /targetexact |
| 16:06.14 | Legorol | speaking of which, does anyone know a good reason why /whisper %t Hi there! breaks? |
| 16:06.22 | Legorol | it tries to whisper "%t" literally |
| 16:06.24 | Legorol | that's a bit of a pity |
| 16:06.27 | cogwheel | because the %t is parsed as part of sendchatmessage |
| 16:06.48 | alestane | Because it's not resolved at that level. Get MacroTalk and use /unittell |
| 16:06.53 | Shirik|AFK | I think it should be possible to do a simple "if target == "%t" then target = UnitName"target" " |
| 16:06.55 | Shirik|AFK | but |
| 16:06.57 | cogwheel | the command /whisper has nothing to do with it |
| 16:06.57 | Shirik|AFK | it's not a big deal |
| 16:07.01 | Legorol | alestane: i can, but i can't make my raid get it |
| 16:07.05 | Legorol | cogwheel: ok |
| 16:07.33 | cogwheel | ~karma MacroTalk++ |
| 16:07.33 | purl | macrotalk++ has neutral karma |
| 16:07.48 | Legorol | as it is, I see a bunch of macros with /script SendChatMessage(message, "WHISPER", nil, UnitName"target") |
| 16:07.52 | Legorol | which is horribly wasteful |
| 16:08.13 | cogwheel | Legorol: /tu target "hello" |
| 16:08.22 | cogwheel | ^ MacroTalk |
| 16:08.34 | p3lim | hm must have been some fuckup with my updater :S |
| 16:08.36 | Legorol | cogwheel: again, I can do that, but I won't be able to make my raid install it |
| 16:08.43 | alestane | Legorol: Are you trying to share macros with your raid then? |
| 16:08.55 | Legorol | yes, I'm trying to make macros for them incompetent raiders |
| 16:08.59 | cogwheel | and can you force them to use your macro too? |
| 16:09.05 | Legorol | yes |
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| 16:09.17 | Legorol | with difficulty :) |
| 16:09.37 | Legorol | Last raid we spent 45 minutes practicing macro use, before we started pulling |
| 16:09.45 | Legorol | It was neat actually |
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| 16:09.55 | cbreak | what type of macro? |
| 16:10.00 | Legorol | We were going to do Vashj, and I didn't just make everyone make the core macro, and hope it works |
| 16:10.15 | Legorol | I made everyone replace Tainted Core with Heavy Leather Ball, brought a bunch along, and made them practice throwing it around |
| 16:10.29 | Legorol | It turned out to be a remarkably good idea, as we had little to no issues with macros not working during the fight |
| 16:10.45 | cbreak | Luckily I never had to do that as kiter :) |
| 16:11.01 | Legorol | We have identified several members whose macros weren't working |
| 16:11.11 | Legorol | Which is what I expected to happen, and that's why I brought the balls along |
| 16:11.35 | Syzgyn | We once had a hunter who got a core, then proceeded to Feign death and sit there for about 10 seconds before he realized he couldnt move. |
| 16:11.44 | Legorol | We didn't start on Vashj until everyone's macro was actually working, plus it had the added bonus that people got to practice who they should throw it to |
| 16:12.39 | Legorol | Heavy Leather Balls are my favourite raiding tool at the moment as a result :) |
| 16:13.02 | Legorol | anyway, back to the macro issue at hand |
| 16:13.17 | Legorol | I was trying to improve the stock Vashj macro by making a version that targets a specific person |
| 16:13.36 | Legorol | but only if that person actually is not dead, and only tries to throw/spam emotes if that is the case |
| 16:14.44 | Neuro_Medivh | Legorol: sounds easy |
| 16:15.36 | Legorol | Neuro_Medivh: until you try :) |
| 16:15.40 | cbreak | you could move the whole chat logic into a second macro |
| 16:16.02 | Josh_Borke | i vote you make them install an addon :-P |
| 16:16.04 | cbreak | not elegant, but it should work :/ |
| 16:16.10 | Legorol | and call it with /click [conditionals]? |
| 16:16.12 | Legorol | that's an idea |
| 16:16.34 | Legorol | hm, actually, that's not a bad idea |
| 16:16.37 | cbreak | I thought of a macro with a /script helper_func = function () -- do chat stuff end |
| 16:16.46 | cbreak | but /click could work too :) |
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| 16:16.50 | Legorol | I could have two macros: one is the stock macro that throws to current target |
| 16:17.10 | Legorol | and a second macro that targets the person you want, does conditional checks, calls the first macro if needed, and then /targetlasttarget |
| 16:17.24 | Legorol | that actually gives added flexibility to the player |
| 16:17.35 | Legorol | they can then either throw to a named person, or to current target, depending on which macro they use |
| 16:17.48 | kneeki | alestane: Ah, I found an issue with the code. It doesn't work when I'm using 'table.stuff.toggle' |
| 16:17.51 | Legorol | I think I'll go with that |
| 16:17.57 | kneeki | alestane: It only works when i'm 'table.stuff' deep |
| 16:18.15 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 16:18.16 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy tightly until Peppy turns slightly blue |
| 16:18.20 | alestane | Then supply table.stuff as the table, and "toggle" as the field. |
| 16:18.44 | kneeki | alestane: Ah, I see |
| 16:18.46 | kneeki | =) |
| 16:19.19 | alestane | You could even supply _G as the table if you wanted to toggle a global for some reason. |
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| 16:26.48 | Lunessa | Oh man.. people brought so much food, I'm going to gain weight. |
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| 16:29.42 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for foods! |
| 16:30.16 | zenzelezz | foods bore me :-/ |
| 16:31.10 | zenzelezz | sometimes player titles just end up looking weird |
| 16:31.15 | zenzelezz | "Scared of the Shattered Sun" |
| 16:31.32 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 16:31.39 | Lopeppeppy | Sunstarr of the Shattered Sun |
| 16:32.03 | erikd | there's a guy in my guild that has Private Parts |
| 16:32.11 | kneeki | To grey out a button, I would use self:SetTextColor(.3, .3, .3, 1) right? |
| 16:34.07 | |Jelly| | Hey Lunessa. |
| 16:34.12 | |Jelly| | I HATE YOUR FACE OFF! |
| 16:34.13 | Lunessa | Sup? |
| 16:34.40 | Lunessa | If you hated me right in the face, I'd have to charge you a licensing fee. :) |
| 16:35.12 | |Jelly| | I pirate your face to hate. |
| 16:35.22 | |Jelly| | Fresh torrented Lunessa face to hate everyone! |
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| 16:35.30 | hipjipp | Any awake/alert (other) addon author to help me with this crap (if it's possible)? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97051 |
| 16:35.32 | Josh_Borke | kneeki: you'd also probably like to set it as disabled |
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| 16:35.59 | kneeki | Josh_Borke: Did that. Also, even after setting: self:SetDisabledTextColor(.3, .3, .3, 1) the font text on the button is not changing |
| 16:36.25 | Josh_Borke | hipjipp: that looks like lua code to me. did you want it to be LOL code? |
| 16:36.28 | Lunessa | It's Texas. The easy access to Shiner does that. |
| 16:36.52 | alestane | kneeki: _G[self:GetName().."text"]:setTextColor(.3, .3, .3, 1) |
| 16:37.12 | hipjipp | Josh_Borke: no thanks, i can convert it to lolcode myself if i want to |
| 16:37.26 | Josh_Borke | hipjipp: then what seems to be the problem? |
| 16:37.33 | kneeki | alestane: Oh, I have to do that during the creation? |
| 16:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa: o i c |
| 16:38.01 | alestane | If it's a checkbox, the actual text of the button isn't used, because it would end up in the middle of the button. |
| 16:38.10 | kneeki | Ah |
| 16:38.25 | hipjipp | Josh_Borke: i want to redo the update function and possibly some help to make tabs. =) |
| 16:38.26 | Josh_Borke | hipjipp: also, you reference an addon variable but i don't see where you define it |
| 16:38.27 | alestane | Instead, a separate fontstring is added to the button, usually on the right. |
| 16:38.52 | alestane | So you can set the TextColor of the button itself, but it won't show up. |
| 16:39.09 | Industrial | ;o |
| 16:39.57 | |pez| | guys and gals, crispylike or soft waffles? |
| 16:40.06 | Josh_Borke | |pez|: i like crispy myself |
| 16:40.21 | |pez| | Josh_Borke: Great! want one? |
| 16:40.25 | Josh_Borke | naw |
| 16:40.28 | Josh_Borke | just ate lunch |
| 16:40.28 | elite3vil | Crispy |
| 16:40.34 | Josh_Borke | and i'm trying to watch my weight |
| 16:40.40 | elite3vil | I'd go for one right now... food sounds like yum. |
| 16:40.56 | |pez| | it's a virtual crispy waffle, how fat can you get from it? :o |
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| 16:41.16 | kneeki | Woo then! |
| 16:41.21 | kneeki | My options window is done =) |
| 16:41.26 | Josh_Borke | hipjipp: please ask questions in the channel |
| 16:41.28 | kneeki | Unless there is a bug hidden somewhere |
| 16:41.29 | elite3vil | psh, I thought I was getting a real waffle. =( |
| 16:41.37 | Josh_Borke | elite3vil: me too |
| 16:41.44 | Josh_Borke | :'( |
| 16:41.50 | |pez| | awh |
| 16:41.58 | |pez| | they're real! i promise |
| 16:42.12 | kneeki | http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot100108094212ci6.jpg =) |
| 16:42.13 | Cide | sure you didn't get any surgery/ |
| 16:42.17 | Cide | ? |
| 16:42.47 | kneeki | I'm unsure if I like the layout though. =( |
| 16:42.56 | kneeki | Seems kinda jumbled together |
| 16:42.58 | |pez| | Cide? |
| 16:43.04 | Cide | <|pez|> they're real! i promise |
| 16:43.19 | |pez| | uh |
| 16:43.20 | |pez| | oh |
| 16:43.27 | |pez| | >___> |
| 16:43.33 | |pez| | they are! |
| 16:43.48 | Cide | kneeki: get headers in there.. there's no layout |
| 16:43.49 | elite3vil | Someone's selling sunmotes for 900g on our server. o.O |
| 16:43.52 | Cide | if you say so. |
| 16:43.56 | kneeki | Cide: Mhmm |
| 16:44.02 | kneeki | Cide: Just a huge list. heh |
| 16:44.12 | Cide | see ctmod's control panel |
| 16:44.25 | Cide | excellent example if I may say so myself. |
| 16:44.27 | kneeki | I'll check that out now |
| 16:44.47 | kneeki | CT_Core? |
| 16:45.16 | Cide | or CT_BuffMod |
| 16:45.36 | Josh_Borke | Cide: did you switch away from your custom options panel? |
| 16:45.43 | Cide | no |
| 16:46.55 | kneeki | Hmm, this is a bit silly. But how did you draw the white lines? Just "-----------------------------" ? |
| 16:47.00 | kneeki | or ___________________ rather |
| 16:47.07 | Cide | a texture |
| 16:47.13 | kneeki | Ah |
| 16:47.22 | Esine | how about diagonal lines |
| 16:47.38 | Cide | see iriel's proof of concept on that |
| 16:47.42 | Esine | link |
| 16:47.50 | Cide | www.google.com/ |
| 16:48.00 | Esine | wow thanks |
| 16:48.01 | Cide | I don't have it around |
| 16:48.02 | cogwheel | doesn't the flightpath UI use iriel's line drawing? |
| 16:48.07 | Cide | it does |
| 16:48.10 | Cide | but it doesn't explain it as well |
| 16:48.12 | cbreak | my addon ArtPad draws lines |
| 16:48.27 | cbreak | I use a texture of a line that I rotate and stretch |
| 16:48.33 | Cide | no shit |
| 16:48.41 | Esine | that doesn't sound too nice :/ |
| 16:48.54 | Cide | only way to do it |
| 16:48.58 | cbreak | Cide: I know it sounds like alien technology :) |
| 16:49.14 | Cide | it's exactly how iriel did it |
| 16:49.24 | Cide | so no, not really |
| 16:49.33 | cbreak | no idea who iriel is |
| 16:49.57 | Fisker- | Ah |
| 16:50.00 | Fisker- | ghostcrawler is so awesome |
| 16:50.04 | Cide | you can't be around much, then |
| 16:50.07 | Fisker- | Refuse to look at the constructive topics |
| 16:50.08 | cogwheel | cbreak: 4rl? |
| 16:50.24 | Fisker- | Closes all the unconstructive posts with the remark "Omg be moar constructive and i might listen" |
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| 16:51.46 | Josh_Borke | Fisker-: that way all the other mods can just read the unclosed topics, sounds perfect to me |
| 16:52.30 | nevcairiel | Fisker- just assumes that no-one reads if its not responded to |
| 16:52.34 | cbreak | cogwheel: 4rl. |
| 16:53.29 | Lunessa | o rly? |
| 16:53.37 | Syzgyn | Lol BC bosses are getting nerfed health? |
| 16:53.41 | Fisker- | nevcairiel Josh_Borke replace "listen" with "respond" then |
| 16:53.55 | Fisker- | and nevcairiel no i KNOW that no-one reads the EU forums |
| 16:54.03 | Fisker- | Atleast mostly not anyways |
| 16:54.33 | nevcairiel | I already told you, get some ass to post for you on US then, and stop the bitching, if you believe that :P |
| 16:54.39 | Fisker- | I'm guessing they do actually read the posts they get encouraged(begged) by the EU team to post in to support their claims |
| 16:56.17 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532600037&sid=2000&pageNo=4#75 lol ban'd |
| 16:57.38 | elite3vil | wow lol. |
| 16:58.45 | elite3vil | Completely unrelated topic: I bought an external 1tb drive from newegg yesterday for $210, and today it's listed for $338. \o/ |
| 16:59.01 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 16:59.05 | cbreak | the dollar loses value faster than I thought |
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| 17:00.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10697500683&sid=2000 |
| 17:00.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Also banned, win |
| 17:00.20 | ScytheBlade1 | What'd they change with holy paladins? |
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| 17:01.05 | Fisker- | Well end holy is lackluster |
| 17:01.22 | Fisker- | So someone came up with a Holy/Ret spec that allowed us to gain insane amounts of mana and not lose much healing output from it |
| 17:01.32 | Fisker- | So they nerfed that, and also nerfed our divine plea |
| 17:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | If the US-beta-paladin forums are any indication, you'd think the sky is falling |
| 17:02.07 | elite3vil | also nerfed Infusion of Light |
| 17:02.08 | elite3vil | Infusion of the Light now reduces the cast time of your next Holy Light spell by 0.5/1sec. (Down from 1.25/2.5 sec) |
| 17:02.16 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 17:02.19 | Fisker- | wut? |
| 17:02.20 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 17:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha @ 2.5sec off HL |
| 17:02.27 | ScytheBlade1 | And they're surprised? |
| 17:02.42 | Fisker- | It's not even a great talent |
| 17:02.43 | elite3vil | JotP is 60 seconds now, instead of 30 though. |
| 17:03.04 | elite3vil | but honestly.. wtf is this? |
| 17:03.05 | elite3vil | Glyph of Exorcism - Your Exorcism also interrupts spellcasting for 2 sec. |
| 17:03.06 | Fisker- | It only procs off crit holy shocks, and most of those are "omg wtf heals" anyways |
| 17:03.15 | Lunessa | I wondered when GC would finally reach the "fed up" mark. |
| 17:03.19 | Fisker- | Anyone spamming holy shock just to get that 2.5 second off proc is stupid |
| 17:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | She should have earlier |
| 17:03.35 | elite3vil | Fisker-: But it's totally mana efficient! >.> |
| 17:03.47 | Fisker- | yes of course! |
| 17:04.13 | elite3vil | my CL was all happy about the FoL glyph |
| 17:04.19 | elite3vil | 'cause he spams FoL right now... |
| 17:04.40 | elite3vil | FoL spamming tanks in sunwell is win. |
| 17:04.43 | Fisker- | Unless it's changed he shouldn't |
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| 17:04.52 | Fisker- | Because the HoT refreshes |
| 17:04.53 | Lopeppeppy | I've had 2 holy paladins quit in TBC because our healing abilities aren't needed in a lot of T6 fights. And they're not coming back, because LK holy is not well designed in the bottom of the tree. |
| 17:05.03 | elite3vil | especially the void sent tank |
| 17:05.15 | elite3vil | and the KJ tank. |
| 17:05.24 | zenzelezz | when a character transfer is in progress, it's only that character that becomes unplayable? |
| 17:05.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I've seen many many holy paladins in Sunwell... that does not compute |
| 17:05.51 | Fisker- | They also have buffs |
| 17:05.58 | Fisker- | Pretty significant buffs as well |
| 17:06.12 | elite3vil | We usually bring three for Kalec/Brut, two for Felmyst, three for twins, one for M'uru and one for KJ |
| 17:06.16 | zenzelezz | I remember when my guild was learning/doing SSC/TK... felt like 90% of our healers were paladins |
| 17:06.32 | Fisker- | Holy palas were pretty awesome in the beginning of TBC |
| 17:06.36 | Fisker- | unlimited mana basically |
| 17:06.39 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, maybe it gets better in Sunwell, but in BT/Hyjal... it's not cool. |
| 17:06.41 | Lunessa | Heh, at one time, 90% of my guild was Ret Paladins. |
| 17:06.43 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, we got nurfed. |
| 17:06.47 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 17:06.49 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: O_O |
| 17:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: well, running BT/Hyjal now, we run as many as three-four at times |
| 17:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | This is why I play a mage =] |
| 17:07.08 | Fisker- | beacon of light is just lol |
| 17:07.17 | elite3vil | Lunessa: Lol.. when I joined the guild I'm in now, they told me if I mentioned the word "ret" they'd gkick me. |
| 17:07.26 | Lopeppeppy | We run 2 holy, and we get our arses spanked by the priests and shaman and druids with Hots and aoe heals. |
| 17:07.45 | ScytheBlade1 | A lot of BT is AoE healing centric, true that |
| 17:07.54 | cbreak | look at the bright side |
| 17:08.06 | elite3vil | ScytheBlade1: SWP too. |
| 17:08.07 | Lopeppeppy | And so now the paladins look like we're sucky players, and so we're not rostered, etc etc.... *sigh* |
| 17:08.10 | cbreak | you can bop the tanks and save repair costs with divine intervention :) |
| 17:08.12 | Lunessa | elite3vil: It was painful. Thankfully that state of affairs lasted only a couple months. |
| 17:08.22 | alestane | Well, there ought to be some sort of distinction between the healers, right? |
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| 17:08.50 | elite3vil | alestane: Yeah, the rest of the healers are way ahead of paladins, who struggle to stay ahead of the spriests! =P |
| 17:09.18 | Lopeppeppy | I don't disagree, alestane. But when the entire instance is balanced to not need paladin healers... we're not raiding and we're not having fun. |
| 17:09.20 | alestane | I've always felt that if I had a single tank who had to be kept up through steady, punishing damage, a holy pally was a great choice. |
| 17:09.41 | Lopeppeppy | Until we run out of mana because we have poor casting regen. |
| 17:09.44 | alestane | But of course, those encounters get a little dull in raid design. |
| 17:09.59 | elite3vil | alestane: Yeah, see Brut and Twins. =P |
| 17:10.28 | Lopeppeppy | Our new AoE healing ability is a gimmick and has the potential to entirely FAIL. *sigh* |
| 17:10.55 | elite3vil | One of our healers tried to have me raid heal one night, and put a CoH priest on the tanks instead. |
| 17:11.28 | Lopeppeppy | My raid considers paladin healers useless except for buffing and we only raid heal. Flash them all, is the cry. |
| 17:11.50 | elite3vil | I use flash maybe 5% of the time |
| 17:12.04 | elite3vil | 11% more crit on HL.. why not utilize it? |
| 17:12.23 | NeoTron | pallies are prime main tank haelers, and horrible raid healers.. |
| 17:12.29 | elite3vil | ^ |
| 17:12.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Who knows. Maybe 'peppey will spec /the ret/ come 3.0. |
| 17:12.49 | elite3vil | I'm hoping to stay prot in 3.0 |
| 17:12.55 | elite3vil | and never respec back to holy. |
| 17:13.14 | elite3vil | Muramasa didn't drop for me last night. I was sad.. I wanted to use it for HotR. =( |
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| 17:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | I know what my class and spec are supposed to be good for, but if I can't convince my raid leaders that a paladin raid healing is a waste... *sigh* |
| 17:16.00 | zenzelezz | so the banner on the character transfer page has a gnome saying "Teleport to an alternate universe. Only 20 gold!", for a real cost of 20 euros... makes the real gold sellers seem generous |
| 17:16.16 | |Jelly| | Then perhaps it's time for a new guild, Peppy. |
| 17:16.24 | elite3vil | Lopeppeppy: My raid leader told me I'm going prot in 3.0, and that we're going to have a full time retadin as well |
| 17:16.29 | elite3vil | ^ is win. |
| 17:16.52 | zenzelezz | yes, Lopeppeppy is win |
| 17:17.30 | jaxdahl2 | you _need_ 2 priests for heroic naxx, and god help you if they don't know how to mc-tank |
| 17:17.33 | End | YES! |
| 17:17.39 | End | "There will be a new, persistent rating system that should keep top-rated players facing other top-rated players, regardless of the bracket in which their current team sits. We'll have more information to come on this soon." |
| 17:18.13 | ScytheBlade1 | End: link? |
| 17:18.39 | End | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10532269034-need-blue-response-to-arena-in-wotlk.html |
| 17:18.42 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, yes I do. |
| 17:19.33 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 17:19.33 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy |
| 17:19.45 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll be interesting... I hope this doesn't keep me from playing with my 2200+ rated friend =[ |
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| 17:21.41 | End | probably not |
| 17:22.04 | End | it may mean you'll fight harder teams though, if he's switching teams to play with you |
| 17:22.16 | ScytheBlade1 | which he is |
| 17:22.30 | alestane | The problem being top-rated/geared players "sleeping" in new or lower-ranked arena teams, and owning the newbs they're getting matched with? |
| 17:22.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Or intentionally reforming a team just to roll lower geared/talented players |
| 17:23.02 | ScytheBlade1 | (Note that gear is the only thing ever, EVER mentioned...it's ALWAYS the gear) |
| 17:23.12 | NeoTron | or it will create a balance between the members of the arena team |
| 17:23.18 | erikd | because wow takes no skill, duh |
| 17:23.25 | erikd | a drunk monkey could get 2200 |
| 17:23.55 | erikd | </sarcasm> btw |
| 17:24.06 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 17:24.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I read that as a "druid monkey" and thought "yeah probably" |
| 17:24.22 | End | haha |
| 17:24.37 | erikd | that too |
| 17:27.08 | erikd | anyone have a recommendation on httpd over svnserve (or vice versa) for a personal svn server? (i still want rights management, though) |
| 17:28.42 | jaxdahl2 | anyone on beta right now? |
| 17:28.50 | Syzgyn | Yar |
| 17:29.02 | jaxdahl2 | Syzgyn, are you currently saved to any instances? |
| 17:29.07 | Syzgyn | Neg |
| 17:29.21 | jaxdahl2 | looking for someone saved to one of the wotlk raids to check something |
| 17:29.38 | Syzgyn | They're still resetting every day IIRC |
| 17:29.44 | Syzgyn | so good luck with that |
| 17:30.03 | jaxdahl2 | i want to check what GetSavedInstanceInfo returns |
| 17:30.48 | jaxdahl2 | hopefully it's a different name for normal/heroic raids, or perhaps a new return value |
| 17:31.02 | batrick | Shirik: yes |
| 17:31.32 | Syzgyn | jaxdahl2: I believe its Naxx, Heroic Naxx |
| 17:31.35 | Syzgyn | or something of the like |
| 17:36.29 | jaxdahl2 | shouldn't be too difficult to write a simplistic addon for a guild to use that lets you see what instances everyone is saved to |
| 17:37.10 | Dewin | provided everyone uses it |
| 17:37.43 | Dewin | erikd: You want a personal svn server? |
| 17:38.17 | Dewin | I'm content with svn+ssh, or if it's just for myself a local repository with tortoisesvn works |
| 17:39.29 | Dewin | Okay... I found a bonus 'feature' with my current build of Progression When your rep changes silently (as in you gain +1 gadgetzan rep because you also gained +1 booty bay rep but only the booy bay rep was reported), and you have a bar set to autoswitch factions... it will autoswitch to gadgetzan. Does anyone actually *want* this behavior? |
| 17:41.46 | Lunessa | reading class forums in beta is worse than reading them on live. |
| 17:42.19 | Lunessa | Dewin: No. |
| 17:42.19 | Dashkal | I find it rather amusing... Also makes a case for not having class forums... |
| 17:42.20 | Syzgyn | Dewin: Neat, but probably not |
| 17:43.03 | Lunessa | Dewin: If I'm watching a rep, I don't care if I got bonuses to another rep. I want to see what I want to see. |
| 17:44.21 | Syzgyn | Its pretty well know now that some reps get shared between them |
| 17:44.26 | Dewin | Yeah |
| 17:44.33 | Syzgyn | I see gadget go up one, I know the others did too |
| 17:44.40 | Dewin | Well, it only triggers if you have a bar set to watch (but not display) another rep and autoswitch is on :) |
| 17:44.52 | Dewin | But I'm adding a workaround to stop it from happening |
| 17:45.03 | jaxdahl2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10638057995 |
| 17:45.16 | jaxdahl2 | should i post that somewhere on general too? |
| 17:45.52 | Dewin | I'll have a new build that's a little more 'production-ready' Soon(tm) |
| 17:46.52 | jaxdahl2 | Syzgyn, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetRealZoneText |
| 17:47.05 | Syzgyn | ? |
| 17:47.09 | End | haha |
| 17:47.14 | jaxdahl2 | could you test that real quick in a normal instance and heroic, 5 man and raid? |
| 17:47.22 | Syzgyn | ok |
| 17:47.25 | End | the new brew of the month makes you furry friends |
| 17:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 17:48.35 | End | critters |
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| 17:49.39 | jaxdahl2 | my guess right now is that it'd say Naxxramas (Normal) and Naxxramas (Heroic) |
| 17:49.54 | jaxdahl2 | strike the (Normal) |
| 17:50.04 | jaxdahl2 | i don't remember seeing that in /raidinfo for 10s |
| 17:50.50 | duaiwe | End: wha? |
| 17:51.43 | End | you drink it and a squirrel comes up to you |
| 17:51.51 | End | I think he throws a nut at you and leaves |
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| 17:52.03 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 17:52.13 | NightHawkTheSane | thats awesome |
| 17:53.15 | Syzgyn | Normal: The Violet Hold, Heroic: The Violet Hold |
| 17:53.17 | NightHawkTheSane | heh "Polar Bear Cub -- This wasn't intended to be a tamable pet, and it looked ridiculous", aww.. :p |
| 17:53.25 | End | haha |
| 17:53.32 | End | most awesome pet evah |
| 17:53.36 | End | for a hunter |
| 17:53.44 | jaxdahl2 | hmm |
| 17:53.51 | Lunessa | Hahah... It did look ridiculous. |
| 17:54.53 | jaxdahl2 | Syzgyn, are you still in dalaran? |
| 17:55.23 | Syzgyn | Just left for naxx |
| 17:55.35 | jaxdahl2 | ok, check GetInstanceDifficulty() as well for naxx |
| 17:55.41 | Syzgyn | Rgr |
| 17:55.48 | jaxdahl2 | check it right now too, it should return 1 |
| 17:55.50 | Syzgyn | what toon are you on, I need a raid |
| 17:55.55 | jaxdahl2 | i'm at work |
| 17:55.57 | jaxdahl2 | :p |
| 17:56.00 | Syzgyn | bah |
| 17:56.11 | Syzgyn | It returned 2 right now, but I'm set to heroic |
| 17:56.11 | jaxdahl2 | invite a random person |
| 17:56.25 | jaxdahl2 | set to normal and see what it says? |
| 17:56.37 | Syzgyn | 2 still |
| 17:56.44 | jaxdahl2 | hmm |
| 17:57.25 | Syzgyn | Normal is just Naxxrammas |
| 17:57.34 | Syzgyn | Naxxramas* |
| 17:57.50 | Syzgyn | difficulty is still 2 |
| 17:58.39 | Syzgyn | Bah, I've entered too many instances |
| 17:58.50 | jaxdahl2 | heh |
| 17:59.03 | Shirik | AHAHAHA |
| 17:59.07 | Shirik | I love my team so much |
| 17:59.22 | Shirik | As software/computer engineers, we're so used to having plans, requirements lists, etc. for everything we do |
| 17:59.40 | Shirik | We're working with Mech engineers whom are used to "throw it in and see if it works" |
| 18:00.29 | Shirik | Finally I think the project lead gave up. I sent him an email apologizing how my planning document was a bit late, and he sends a response visible by everyone saying |
| 18:00.32 | Shirik | Dont worry about the planning. It has been made |
| 18:00.32 | Shirik | clear to me by Dr. White we will not be planning. |
| 18:00.44 | Shirik | I think he wants to get shot :P |
| 18:01.55 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5963180708&sid=1#9 <- So Shirik don't you think i was subtle? |
| 18:03.46 | Esine | scribus is a belf ;_; |
| 18:03.47 | Nom- | smallest beta patch ever... they must consider it all done and dusted now |
| 18:03.48 | Esine | err |
| 18:03.53 | Esine | fisker- is a belf ;_; |
| 18:05.39 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 18:05.42 | Fisker- | belfs rock |
| 18:05.42 | erikd | you can have your kodos back as soon as we get our rams back! |
| 18:05.46 | Fisker- | also only paladins |
| 18:05.47 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 18:06.08 | Fisker- | erikd you always had your rams |
| 18:06.17 | erikd | but horde didn't :) |
| 18:06.53 | Dashkal | Nom-: I think they're pretty close to finished with new art assets, anyway. Class mechanics are small by comparason |
| 18:07.01 | Fisker- | I'm also meaning that both should be reverted |
| 18:07.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: indeed, so much so they're pushing the release date up to next week |
| 18:07.05 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.09 | Fisker- | Kodo should drop for horde and Ram for alliance |
| 18:07.10 | erikd | ahh |
| 18:07.28 | Dashkal | Lil late for that :p |
| 18:07.35 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 18:07.39 | erikd | does mal'ganis have a model yet or is he still the floating box of doom? |
| 18:07.45 | Fisker- | But alliance pulled together in their hour of whine |
| 18:07.49 | Fisker- | And really whined a lot |
| 18:07.54 | Fisker- | So Blizzard had no choice but to act |
| 18:07.57 | Dashkal | I didn't bother. Savrine would look stupid on a kodo. |
| 18:08.03 | Fisker- | Their comrade had fallen in battle |
| 18:08.05 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 18:08.08 | Dashkal | Mostly because the horde got rams last time. This time they more or less had to. |
| 18:08.23 | Dashkal | Next year it'll prolly be stfu horde get kodos and alli get rams |
| 18:08.32 | Fisker- | nah |
| 18:08.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i just miss the purchasable mounts :( |
| 18:08.59 | Fisker- | They just failed |
| 18:09.21 | Fisker- | Blizzard have some odd definitions |
| 18:09.22 | NeoTron | I have a kodo |
| 18:09.23 | NeoTron | it's cool |
| 18:09.24 | NeoTron | so stfu |
| 18:09.27 | Syzgyn | I've only seen 1 kodo drop :( |
| 18:09.28 | Dashkal | "They just failed". Ahem, sorry, troll, sorry to have fed you. |
| 18:09.36 | End | I've only seen one drop as well |
| 18:09.56 | NeoTron | horde got rams last year and this year. I got my ram last year (alliance/tickets) and kodo this year. |
| 18:09.58 | Fisker- | Probably seen about 4-5 rams and 4 kodos |
| 18:10.00 | End | I could have all the trinkets several times over though (assuming they weren't unique) |
| 18:10.06 | Dashkal | End: My guild was chain-running it. Kill direbrew, reset, repeat until they ran out of alts |
| 18:10.15 | End | yeah, we did that one night |
| 18:10.23 | Fisker- | Dashkal their definitions are not in line with real life |
| 18:10.26 | Dashkal | Ours was doing that daily until they all got them |
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| 18:10.46 | Dashkal | Fisker-: erm? Aside from the absurdity of equating a game to real life, what definition are you refering to? |
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| 18:11.08 | Fisker- | I'm equating real life to real life |
| 18:11.15 | Amadeo | Wait, what? I'm a Marauder in real life! |
| 18:11.16 | Fisker- | They wanted to make the mount "hard to get" |
| 18:11.27 | Fisker- | Reality: They made the mount statistically rare |
| 18:11.31 | Fisker- | That's not "hard to get" |
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| 18:11.53 | Fisker- | And you could go on |
| 18:12.02 | Fisker- | But i don't bother anymore |
| 18:12.25 | Syzgyn | jaxdahl2: Heroic Naxx returned Naxxrammas and difficulty 2 |
| 18:12.51 | Dewin | What event should I use to trigger saving my addon's settings? |
| 18:13.28 | Syzgyn | anything you put in the savedvars is saved upon logout/reload automatically |
| 18:13.35 | *** part/#wowuidev sysrage (i=sysrage@cpe-069-134-058-172.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 18:13.44 | Gnarfoz | "you're doing it wrong" |
| 18:13.51 | Tifi | are you using acedb? |
| 18:13.52 | Dewin | I'm aware, but my addon's actual running state is not dictated by the saved variables |
| 18:14.01 | Dewin | No libs |
| 18:14.04 | Syzgyn | ...wait what? |
| 18:14.05 | Syzgyn | so? |
| 18:14.21 | Esine | maybe he wants to generate SavedVariables from the actual data on logout |
| 18:14.26 | Dewin | Esine: yes |
| 18:14.38 | Syzgyn | Uhmm |
| 18:14.38 | Esine | I've had that idea in mind a few times but never done it |
| 18:14.39 | Tifi | Dewin, use PLAYER_LOGOUT |
| 18:14.42 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 18:14.59 | Dewin | hmm, despite the wiki page being misleading? |
| 18:15.10 | Tifi | is it? |
| 18:15.13 | Dewin | << Note: There seems to be little useful you can do after this event is fired. Changes to saved variables do not seem to have any effect, at least some API functions no longer return valid values, and client crashes may also occur in some cases. Perhaps worst of all, the error handling in Lua is no longer functional; so you will get no error messages if your code fails. >> |
| 18:15.38 | Syzgyn | I think you'd find it easier to just have it set whenever a change you want recorded is made |
| 18:16.04 | Dewin | Not really, especially whne I've already written the function for saving I just need to determine when to call it |
| 18:16.20 | Dewin | I'll see if player_logout works, thanks |
| 18:16.20 | Syzgyn | ...call it whenever a change is made. |
| 18:16.43 | Dewin | It's expensive, not worth a call for a minor change |
| 18:16.48 | Tifi | yea well it works, changes to savedvars go to their wtf files |
| 18:17.18 | Syzgyn | No offense Dewin, but you seem to be doing alot of things somewhat outside of the standard method |
| 18:17.38 | Tifi | so? |
| 18:17.40 | Syzgyn | which is fine, but the system only works so many way |
| 18:17.41 | Syzgyn | ways* |
| 18:18.13 | Dewin | Okay... let me explain |
| 18:18.38 | foxlit | never! |
| 18:18.39 | Dewin | I have a large collection of objects. Well, tables using cheap (and relatively standard) lua OOP hacks |
| 18:18.40 | Josh_Borke | Dewin: maybe you should try registering for all events then feeding the events into a saved variable to determine what the last event called is |
| 18:18.51 | Esine | Dewin, I knew you'd have something like that |
| 18:19.04 | Esine | Dewin, just call setmetatable() every time before you're going to use the table/object |
| 18:19.10 | Esine | according to lua developers it's not very expensive call |
| 18:19.12 | Dewin | I can't save those properly anyways. :) |
| 18:19.23 | Esine | so you can call it a million times in your code and it doesn't affect much |
| 18:19.26 | Esine | (well not really) |
| 18:19.38 | Syzgyn | All I'm saying is the saved vars stuff works fine for everyone else as is. If your design cant get it to work, you might wanna rethink your design. |
| 18:19.43 | Dewin | + the 'running' representation of my code follows an entirely different structure than the non-running representation... e.g. tables used as keys. |
| 18:19.45 | Esine | Dewin, you are doing this with metatables though aren't you? :) if not, please do. |
| 18:19.53 | Esine | ah |
| 18:20.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone remind me why we can't have item links in general/etc? |
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| 18:20.25 | Esine | wow servers strip them? |
| 18:20.29 | Dewin | And there's some workarounds for weird things "You set this profile to display Cenarion Expedition rep, but Cenarion Expedition does not exist on this toon" |
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| 18:20.39 | Dewin | I wish you could use links in custom channels >.> |
| 18:20.40 | foxlit | [Dirge] |
| 18:20.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: because you touch yourself at night |
| 18:20.52 | foxlit | ^ That's why. |
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| 18:21.09 | Dashkal | still wtb addon shadow channels for customs... |
| 18:21.16 | Esine | ops |
| 18:21.18 | Esine | oops |
| 18:21.19 | Tifi | guys, what exactly do you think the PLAYER_LOGOUT event is for? |
| 18:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 18:21.31 | foxlit | Oooh, ooh, pick me :) |
| 18:21.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean why it is stripped :P |
| 18:21.36 | foxlit | The player logging out? |
| 18:21.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Tifi: making developers confused |
| 18:21.44 | Dewin | Dashkal: There's not? |
| 18:21.50 | Syzgyn | My guess would be 'Hey, you're logging out now, not that theres anything you can do about it now anyway!' |
| 18:21.52 | Gnarfoz | Dewin: there is not |
| 18:21.56 | kd3 | mmm... 6MUSD in damages |
| 18:21.57 | Dashkal | Dewin: nope. SEND_ADDON_MESSAGE only works for GUILD, WHISPER, etc |
| 18:22.05 | Dewin | oh wow. |
| 18:22.40 | Tifi | ok, nice explanations, my explanation is "to give addons a change to save their savedvars". which one is better? |
| 18:22.52 | Tifi | s/nge/nce/ |
| 18:23.06 | Esine | btw, will glyphs become available on patch or expansion? |
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| 18:23.23 | Lukian | Is there an addon to mass demote people in a guild / tidy up guild ranks? |
| 18:23.23 | Esine | augmentations ala deus ex ohh yeah |
| 18:23.25 | alestane | Based on what I've heard? Patch. |
| 18:23.33 | Esine | hm ok. |
| 18:23.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Esine: patch, as they've said inscription will be available then |
| 18:23.58 | Esine | that's good. |
| 18:24.00 | NeoTron | Can you do /gkick from a script? |
| 18:24.10 | NeoTron | I should do that for my disbanding guild then time comes |
| 18:24.13 | NeoTron | if it's possible |
| 18:24.20 | alestane | I saw something saying you'd be able to level inscription between patch and expc, but that once LK came out it would be locked until you actiivated the ExPac. |
| 18:24.36 | Syzgyn | ./gremove name, I dont see why it couldnt be in a macro |
| 18:24.45 | Dashkal | O.o All information I read suggested it was simply open 1-375 with 3.0.2 |
| 18:25.09 | NeoTron | Syzgyn: I wanted to script it so I could write a quick function to iterate through the guild list and remove everyone except me and one other |
| 18:25.19 | Esine | is there a list of all things you can make with inscription? |
| 18:25.27 | Esine | any cool bop inscriptor only items (for low levels)? |
| 18:25.27 | Syzgyn | I dont think its a secure function |
| 18:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: not that im criticizing, but why? |
| 18:25.40 | alestane | Esine: There are some off-hand items. |
| 18:25.45 | Dashkal | Esine: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spells=11.773 |
| 18:25.48 | Lukian | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.50 | Esine | thanks. |
| 18:25.56 | Gnarfoz | Lukian: hey, stole my question :< |
| 18:26.06 | alestane | Starting at comparatively low levels. Mostly caster stuff but somethings that might be useful for lower hunters etc. |
| 18:26.18 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: like Syzgyn said: you are aware there's no such thing as /gkick? :> |
| 18:27.51 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: because I don't want to manually remove 150 or so chars? |
| 18:28.24 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: I don't really care what the command is, I just wondered if the method to remove someone from the guild was protected or not |
| 18:28.27 | NeoTron | that's it |
| 18:28.47 | Dewin | Why would it be? |
| 18:29.01 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, neo gonna make a mod that gkicks and disbands your entire guild |
| 18:29.04 | Dewin | It's not like it would affect the outcome of a battle or anything (well, besides applying the "Wrath Of The Guild" debuff) |
| 18:29.07 | NeoTron | so someone couldn't add a "trojan" in an addon that kicked everyoen in the guild |
| 18:29.07 | Syzgyn | Neotron: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97180 |
| 18:29.32 | Syzgyn | Actually |
| 18:29.35 | NeoTron | Neuro_Medivh: that "disbands" it without disbanding, yes. the guild is dead but we'll keep it around as a private guild bank for me and another person |
| 18:29.42 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GuildUninvite :) |
| 18:29.43 | Syzgyn | Yea, that should work |
| 18:29.58 | NeoTron | I will try that when time comes |
| 18:30.12 | Dewin | Well... now I just have a minor issue of my menus rendering offscreen >.> |
| 18:30.39 | Dewin | (too many factions in the faction menu) |
| 18:31.03 | Dewin | Earlier I tested on my lv40 mage so never occured to me there would be a problem >.> |
| 18:32.28 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. there's a lot of factions |
| 18:32.38 | Dewin | I thought the menu would scroll or something like that |
| 18:32.41 | Dewin | but hah, yeah right |
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| 18:34.35 | Maldivia | calling resto druids with regrowth glyph - anyone out there |
| 18:36.41 | nevcairiel | <-- |
| 18:36.48 | nevcairiel | but didnt actually play on beta today |
| 18:37.11 | nevcairiel | had administrative tasks to complete |
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| 18:37.28 | Maldivia | nev: have you used gryph of regrowth, and if so - notice how the hot part doesn't refresh? |
| 18:37.52 | nevcairiel | it used to refresh before the enrf today |
| 18:38.06 | Maldivia | I've had problems with it before today |
| 18:38.11 | Maldivia | never on myself - but on others |
| 18:38.15 | nevcairiel | hmm |
| 18:38.18 | nevcairiel | not sure |
| 18:38.25 | Maldivia | previously I just thought it was because my forge ember procced |
| 18:38.32 | Maldivia | but I've unequipped it now, and just did a test |
| 18:38.35 | Lukian | what's the easier way to demote an entire rank in a guild, down a rank? |
| 18:38.42 | Maldivia | after 2nd regrowth chained, the hot stopped refreshing |
| 18:38.51 | nevcairiel | better report the bug |
| 18:38.51 | Maldivia | which makes regrowth suddently not so great |
| 18:39.14 | nevcairiel | i'm still considering it now with the nerfed glyph |
| 18:39.20 | nevcairiel | probably still alot better then nourish |
| 18:39.28 | Maldivia | well, now it's 20% to it all, including the hot |
| 18:39.31 | Maldivia | so it's still good |
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| 18:39.51 | Maldivia | not as great as before - but still good |
| 18:39.52 | nevcairiel | the excitement about the change is still kinda gone |
| 18:40.01 | nevcairiel | nothing new and fancy for restos |
| 18:40.06 | Maldivia | true |
| 18:40.48 | nevcairiel | wild growth is a joke of a 51pt talent |
| 18:40.59 | nevcairiel | they say they dont want druids to be as good group healers as priests |
| 18:41.01 | nevcairiel | ok thats fine |
| 18:41.05 | nevcairiel | but not as a 51pt talent then |
| 18:42.16 | Maldivia | agree |
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| 18:45.54 | Josh_Borke | nevcairiel: quit your bitching :-P |
| 18:46.03 | nevcairiel | I'll bitch you! |
| 18:46.27 | Josh_Borke | ... |
| 18:46.32 | Josh_Borke | you'll female dog me? |
| 18:46.54 | NightHawkTheSane | and don't think he wont. :p |
| 18:47.21 | Dewin | WOWI's "Create Zip" option needs a DWIM command. |
| 18:47.46 | Cide | it needs a DRM* comman |
| 18:47.48 | Cide | command |
| 18:47.55 | Dewin | no. "Do What I Mean" |
| 18:48.04 | Tekkub | Dude Where Is My Command |
| 18:48.12 | Cide | haha |
| 18:48.17 | Dewin | it's happily creating a zip of all of my addon files *outside* of the folder |
| 18:48.28 | Cide | RTFF |
| 18:49.47 | Dewin | aha. |
| 18:49.53 | Dewin | took some digging, but found it ;) |
| 18:50.21 | Lunessa | All users expect the computer to "Do What I Mean" and will repeatedly mash buttons until the magic happens. |
| 18:51.30 | Dewin | now fi I could just DWIM EAX, EAX |
| 18:53.07 | Tornhoof | heh atleast be ia32e by now and use rax |
| 18:53.35 | Josh_Borke | ~eax |
| 18:53.35 | purl | somebody said eax was environmental audio |
| 18:53.48 | Josh_Borke | oh! ok |
| 18:54.31 | Quaiche|work | So... what are people using for raid threat management in LK Beta? |
| 18:54.44 | NightHawkTheSane | common sense. |
| 18:54.46 | Tornhoof | more like extended accumulator register ;) |
| 18:54.48 | Quaiche|work | I know the underlying system has changed. Any outstanding mods popped up yet? |
| 18:54.48 | Gnarfoz | nothing, like Pre-KLHTM |
| 18:54.57 | Tornhoof | omen3 afaik quaiche |
| 18:55.06 | Tornhoof | atleast xinhhuan startet it |
| 18:55.20 | Quaiche|work | Should be a lot simpler to write at least |
| 18:55.22 | Quaiche|work | No more modeling |
| 18:55.31 | Josh_Borke | i don't think he meant terrible mods Tornhoof, so that leaves Xinhuan's mods out |
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| 18:55.38 | Quaiche|work | rofl |
| 18:55.42 | Tornhoof | yeh he said something abuot the engine being 100 lines for the engine |
| 18:56.01 | Tornhoof | uhm, of lua code |
| 18:56.09 | Dewin | He must work for the department of redundancy department then |
| 18:56.21 | Neuro_Medivh | so I see they announced the end of Arena S4 |
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| 18:56.40 | Neuro_Medivh | for Oct 14th... so I think it's safe to say that's 3.0 day |
| 18:56.53 | Gnarfoz | thanks for reading mmo-champion.com to us :) |
| 18:56.53 | NightHawkTheSane | reasonably |
| 18:56.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 18:57.01 | Neuro_Medivh | you're welcome |
| 18:57.09 | Dewin | precisely a month before wotlk |
| 18:57.11 | Dewin | so makes sense |
| 18:57.13 | Dashkal | That does have the side-effect of strongly implying that the 14th is patch day... |
| 18:57.21 | Quaiche|work | Neuro_Medivh: Link? |
| 18:57.27 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 18:57.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: not merely that, but after blizzcon |
| 18:57.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Quaiche|work: you're not.. a quick one.. are you |
| 18:57.37 | Neuro_Medivh | and I was mainly saying that for whoever it was that told me Oct 14 couldn't be patch day cause they hadn't announced arena season ending |
| 18:57.40 | Gnarfoz | Quaiche|work: like... the link is *THERE* |
| 18:57.42 | Atriace | lua> function foo() a="1"; return a, type(a) end b, c = foo(); print(b..", "..c) |
| 18:57.42 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 18:57.43 | lua_bot | Atriace: 1, string |
| 18:57.46 | End | yeah, that's when I had already expected the path to come out |
| 18:57.55 | End | patch* |
| 18:58.13 | Quaiche|work | Bah... was still catching up... reading down the thread. :) |
| 18:58.22 | Quaiche|work | And didn't see a hyperlink on my screen |
| 18:58.24 | Quaiche|work | :) |
| 18:59.05 | zenzelezz | no surprise, Rivendare 45-minute run a breeze as a solo 70 prot warrior on PTR |
| 18:59.18 | Neuro_Medivh | nerf prot! |
| 18:59.38 | Dashkal | question: how does baroness work solo? |
| 18:59.41 | Gnarfoz | uh oh |
| 18:59.45 | zenzelezz | Dashkal: doesn't MC |
| 18:59.46 | Gnarfoz | wallops makes me scared |
| 18:59.47 | End | she doesn't MC |
| 18:59.58 | End | it's annoying if you have a pet though |
| 19:00.08 | End | she'll make you handily destroy your pet, and then reset |
| 19:01.15 | Dashkal | ooo. I should run my DK through for giggles so I can cry if the mount drops :p |
| 19:01.16 | Lunessa | ... netsplitz. |
| 19:01.16 | Gnarfoz | not netsplits, Lunessa |
| 19:01.16 | Dashkal | hrm, better drop blood worms then |
| 19:01.16 | End | blood worms -might- not count |
| 19:01.16 | Lunessa | Did I miss an announcement? |
| 19:01.16 | End | pets are actually considered "part of your party" |
| 19:01.16 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: yes |
| 19:01.16 | Gnarfoz | -tomaw/Wallops- Hi all. We have some server desync between servers. I'm going to relink them now which will be noisy but quick and should resolve the issue. Thanks :) |
| 19:01.16 | End | bloodworms, probably not |
| 19:02.19 | Dashkal | I wonder about that. I've seen my worms put to sleep before |
| 19:02.19 | Lunessa | Ah. |
| 19:02.19 | End | well |
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| 19:02.19 | End | you can find out! |
| 19:02.19 | Dashkal | Or me put to sleep so they could kill my worms |
| 19:02.19 | Dashkal | Not like EPL is a long run from the respec guy |
| 19:02.20 | End | true dat |
| 19:03.18 | Dashkal | I'm still a little sad that they didn't just add ", Death Knight" to warrior gear or something for 60-70 gear |
| 19:03.53 | Dashkal | I wanted to get full T0.5 for my DK just for amusement :p |
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| 19:06.17 | Neuro_Medivh | ignore me, I'm just bored |
| 19:06.17 | Syzgyn | O hay peoplez |
| 19:06.17 | Thunder_Child | 98 person netsplit? |
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| 19:06.19 | End | normally irssi filters netsplits, but not that time :( |
| 19:06.19 | Dewin | I think shiibot should detect netsplits. |
| 19:06.29 | Dewin | it just set the channel +rRf |
| 19:06.29 | End | haha |
| 19:07.11 | Thunder_Child | heh, i had a 43,216 ping |
| 19:08.19 | Dewin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11057-ProgressionPre-Alpha.html, now with 43.5% less braindeadedness (once it gets approved) |
| 19:08.24 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: just maintenance ;) |
| 19:08.38 | hipjipp | to bring people back to authoring, would this work? or should i change the frame to my frames name? *** local OnTabClick = function(self) self.SetTab(PlayerTalentFrame, self:GetID()) update() end *** |
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| 19:09.31 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz, usually the freenode staff sends out an anouncment about htat |
| 19:09.39 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: which they did |
| 19:09.59 | Thunder_Child | huh, i didnt get one |
| 19:10.15 | Gnarfoz | even though wallops is quite silent around here (i.e. BORING), setting /umode +w does have its benefits :> |
| 19:10.25 | Gnarfoz | -tomaw/Wallops- Hi all. We have some server desync between servers. I'm going to relink them now which will be noisy but quick and should resolve the issue. Thanks :) |
| 19:11.22 | Thunder_Child | huh, well i usually seem to get them even w/o mode w |
| 19:11.23 | Josh_Borke | hipjipp: self is whatever frame is calling OnTabClick in that instance |
| 19:12.25 | hipjipp | Josh_Borke: i meant inside the parameter of self.SetTab.. or is it just me being stupid? <.< |
| 19:12.52 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: I once had 100k ping |
| 19:12.57 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: actually its the first one I got via wallops, indeed it's quite more common on freenode for them to actually use globals |
| 19:14.46 | Josh_Borke | hipjipp: the self inside self:SetTab is the same self that is calling SetTab |
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| 19:18.33 | Esamynn | ~lart Shiibot |
| 19:18.33 | purl | pushes the wall down onto Shiibot whilst whistling innocently |
| 19:19.04 | Lunessa | ~lart Esamynn |
| 19:19.04 | purl | says "boot to the head" and knocks Esamynn over |
| 19:19.18 | Lunessa | Just 'cause. |
| 19:19.39 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap Lunessa |
| 19:19.39 | purl | ACTION beats Lunessa upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:19.54 | Dewin | How did you convince the killer whale to give his name? |
| 19:20.51 | Lunessa | Day 7 or no internet at home, no WoW time. Killing me with a whale might just be a mercy. |
| 19:21.27 | Thunder_Child | Dewin, it's part of the contract |
| 19:21.39 | Dewin | What contract? |
| 19:21.50 | Esamynn | do not question the ways of the purl |
| 19:21.52 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 19:21.52 | purl | :), Esamynn |
| 19:21.53 | Dewin | And how did the whale have lawyers? Oh right, sharks. |
| 19:21.58 | Thunder_Child | the contract for the use of hugh's services |
| 19:22.08 | foxlit | Speaking of Shark |
| 19:22.10 | foxlit | It's awesome! |
| 19:22.21 | Dewin | Shark? |
| 19:22.55 | Shirik|zZz | oops |
| 19:22.59 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_(disambiguation) there's only so many Sharks :) |
| 19:23.03 | Shirik|zZz | he still doesn't like netsplits huh |
| 19:23.08 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rRf] by Shirik|zZz |
| 19:23.15 | Lunessa | This conversation is jumping the shark right now. |
| 19:23.29 | foxlit | (Lunessa might be a shark) |
| 19:23.32 | Dewin | well it was a 98 person netsplit. |
| 19:23.49 | Esamynn | not an unusual size for a netsplit :P |
| 19:23.55 | End | well, irssi saw it was a netsplit when it started |
| 19:24.06 | Shirik|zZz | irssi also has a delay factor |
| 19:24.09 | End | but it didn't detect the ending properly |
| 19:24.18 | foxlit | But the Shark I meant was the apple performance tool |
| 19:24.24 | foxlit | Which, unlike gprof/gcc, seems to work :/ |
| 19:24.32 | Esine | to people in ptr: can you get to northrend via sw dock? |
| 19:24.39 | Esine | because we've been waiting for some time now but no boat :x |
| 19:24.43 | Dewin | No. |
| 19:24.44 | Esine | on lvl 1\o/ |
| 19:24.48 | Esine | oh :( |
| 19:24.50 | End | basically, netsplit 90billion people gone, netsplit over 1 person back...then 60 seconds later, like 89 billion people spamming the hell out of me |
| 19:24.52 | Dewin | PTR is not beta. |
| 19:24.55 | Esine | yeah.. |
| 19:24.58 | Esine | I guess |
| 19:24.59 | Esine | :x |
| 19:25.30 | Dewin | Just like you couldn't go through the dark portal on the PTR if you didn't install TBC ;) |
| 19:25.37 | Dewin | which makes me wonder |
| 19:25.50 | Dewin | how interesting levelling woudl be for people who didn't buy TBC but buy WOTLK |
| 19:25.57 | End | maybe the boat is there, but you can't see it ;-p |
| 19:26.08 | Esamynn | Dewin: I think the latter may require the former |
| 19:26.17 | foxlit | Dewin: I don't think that's possible |
| 19:26.18 | Dewin | Doesn't say anything about it. |
| 19:26.36 | Dewin | you'd have to lv 60-70 in EPL/quests/really hard stuff in northrend |
| 19:26.56 | erikd | in order to be eligable for the beta you have to have upgraded to tbc |
| 19:27.09 | Dewin | I'm not talking beta, I'm talking live |
| 19:27.21 | erikd | why would they require that for beta but not live? |
| 19:27.21 | Shirik|zZz | http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/topstocks/?fpn=the%20best%20temp%20gig%20in%20history>1=33009 |
| 19:27.25 | Dewin | They obviously don't want to allow people who aren't likely to buy WOTLK (evidenced by not buying TBC) into the beta |
| 19:27.33 | foxlit | "Players of any level who have purchased the expansion can visit Northrend. However, all of the content is designed for players level 68 and up." |
| 19:27.48 | erikd | wow, that's messed up |
| 19:28.17 | Dewin | damn |
| 19:28.19 | Dewin | I want his job. |
| 19:29.21 | foxlit | I don't think he has one now :) |
| 19:29.25 | Esamynn | ... |
| 19:29.30 | Esamynn | foxlit: does it matter :P |
| 19:29.48 | foxlit | Well, as long as Dewin realizes he seeks unemployment, I suppose not :) |
| 19:30.03 | Esamynn | lol |
| 19:30.36 | Dewin | I was referring to the work 3 weeks and get 19 mil >.> |
| 19:31.38 | Dewin | of course, it'd be hard to get it all FDIC insured with the number of banks I can split it between rapidly diminishing |
| 19:32.21 | erikd | i have a feeling he doesn't mind too much if he's unemployed |
| 19:32.43 | Dewin | 19 mil you can buy a nice house and live off the interest |
| 19:33.02 | Dewin | a few nice houses and a car or twelve |
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| 19:33.33 | foxlit | So, Another Way To Die? |
| 19:33.42 | foxlit | worst song ever? |
| 19:34.02 | Nechckn | Is that for the next james bond, foxlit? |
| 19:34.08 | foxlit | yes |
| 19:34.29 | Nechckn | omg... I only heard a small clip - What.were.they.thinking? |
| 19:35.49 | foxlit | http://www.007.com/#/video |
| 19:36.02 | foxlit | It's the big banner |
| 19:39.11 | Shirik|zZz | Yeah, that's pretty bad. And I'm one that normally appreciates interesting musical technique |
| 19:40.01 | Shirik|zZz | There's some interesting things there but it really doesn't fit together |
| 19:40.05 | foxlit | The video, too, is disappointing compared to Casino Royale's |
| 19:40.31 | Lukian | Dewin, you should be able to get 67ish grinding winterspring and such mobs :D |
| 19:40.48 | Cide | Shirik|zZz: in that regard, what did you think of "no country for old men"? |
| 19:40.57 | Shirik|zZz | what's that? |
| 19:41.02 | Cide | ... a movie |
| 19:41.14 | Cide | great musical techniques |
| 19:41.18 | Shirik|zZz | haven't seen it |
| 19:42.30 | Cide | it probably has less than 5 minutes of music |
| 19:42.30 | Cide | total |
| 19:42.42 | Shirik|zZz | that doesn't sound fun :( |
| 19:42.49 | Cide | it's interesting |
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| 19:45.23 | Shirik|zZz | I need food |
| 19:45.26 | Shirik|zZz | I'm thinking Panera |
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| 19:51.16 | Duman | not again |
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| 19:51.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 19:51.23 | End | halp, Shiibot! |
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| 19:51.34 | End | ~whaleslap Shiibot |
| 19:51.35 | purl | ACTION beats Shiibot upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 19:51.37 | End | get to work! |
| 19:51.38 | NightHawkTheSane | t, Dave2: ping? :) |
| 19:51.42 | Duman | wait... the channel even is +t |
| 19:51.44 | Duman | err |
| 19:51.52 | Duman | oh yeah it was +r |
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| 19:51.55 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rf #wowuidev-overflow] by Martinp23 |
| 19:51.56 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+r] by Dave2 |
| 19:52.07 | Cide | thanks Martinp23, Dave2 |
| 19:52.09 | Duman | whew |
| 19:52.11 | End | yay |
| 19:52.14 | Cide | apparently Shirik fucked up his bot |
| 19:52.19 | End | apparently |
| 19:52.20 | Cide | I'll call him out on it when he gets back |
| 19:52.20 | Duman | LOL |
| 19:52.30 | Duman | apparently his bot is using open proxies! |
| 19:53.01 | amro | ~failrik |
| 19:53.02 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:53.04 | Cide | soon inc the mass-kick I'm guessing |
| 19:53.43 | foxlit | What I don't get is why they keep reusing that random crap as usernames |
| 19:54.14 | foxlit | Makes for a nice little ignore-everyone-whose-names-can't-be-pronounced filter :) |
| 19:55.34 | NightHawkTheSane | .. oh dear.. http://notalwaysright.com/problem-is-too-stupid-to-recognize-it-exists/1256 |
| 19:55.37 | Cide | yep |
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| 20:03.40 | Tornhoof | the designer of /cower for tauren should be shot ;) |
| 20:04.43 | Dewin | Hmm... if only I had +o for just a second... |
| 20:05.22 | Dewin | then /kick Dewin git to work! |
| 20:05.25 | Dewin | would actually work |
| 20:06.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 20:06.21 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:06.34 | *** part/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-76-115-111-253.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 20:06.37 | End | ~failrik |
| 20:06.38 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:07.00 | Shirik | wtf I did |
| 20:07.10 | End | Actually, it's Shiibot that fails |
| 20:07.14 | Shirik | why? |
| 20:07.26 | End | someone else had to set it +r! |
| 20:07.32 | NightHawkTheSane | another spam attack a few minutes ago, Shiibot did nothing |
| 20:07.39 | End | because Shiibot was being a bum |
| 20:07.49 | Shirik | can you paste it for me? |
| 20:08.43 | NightHawkTheSane | http://pastey.net/97188 |
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| 20:11.28 | Shirik | Um |
| 20:11.33 | Shirik | for some reason it already thought the channel was locked |
| 20:11.34 | Shirik | sorry |
| 20:11.42 | Shirik | I'm not quite sure what happened there |
| 20:11.46 | NightHawkTheSane | "for some reason"? |
| 20:12.20 | Sixen | ~irc |
| 20:12.20 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 20:12.34 | Shirik | It certainly detected it |
| 20:13.12 | Mikk | ~literal irc |
| 20:13.12 | purl | "irc" is "<reply> "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents."" |
| 20:13.48 | Mikk | no, purl, irc is <reply> "Welcome to IRC: where the men are boys, the women are boys, and 14-year-old girls are FBI agents." |
| 20:14.08 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/ |
| 20:14.19 | Mikk | purl, no, irc is <reply> "Welcome to IRC: where the men are boys, the women are boys, and 14-year-old girls are FBI agents." |
| 20:14.20 | purl | okay, Mikk |
| 20:14.28 | Sixen | =o |
| 20:15.06 | Mikk | ~irc |
| 20:15.07 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are boys, the women are boys, and 14-year-old girls are FBI agents." |
| 20:16.13 | NightHawkTheSane | also, this is awesome: http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/689724/Best_Bank_Robbery_Ever_In_Seattle.html |
| 20:16.29 | Shirik | !quit |
| 20:16.38 | smcn | ooo |
| 20:16.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Shiibot (n=Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam) |
| 20:16.44 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shiibot] by ChanServ |
| 20:16.45 | Gnarfoz | confusing me: no one talking about the US finance stuff in here |
| 20:16.47 | Shirik | That should fix that, sorry |
| 20:17.02 | Shirik | It got confused on capitalization of the channel |
| 20:17.16 | batrick | wow how noob is that! |
| 20:17.20 | batrick | =) |
| 20:17.22 | Lunessa | LOl - someone told a BE Female to "Eat a f***ing sandwich. " |
| 20:17.27 | Shirik | so someone locked it #wowuidev but removed #WoWUIDev |
| 20:17.33 | Shirik | and it got stuck in a locked state |
| 20:17.59 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/01/funny-pictures-spoonin-ur-doin-it-right/ |
| 20:18.47 | Shirik | !reload |
| 20:18.47 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 20:19.18 | Shirik | thanks Dave2, Martinp23 |
| 20:20.00 | |pez| | zenzelezz: Awww! |
| 20:20.37 | Fisker- | !reload |
| 20:20.46 | Fisker- | Shiibot why can't i control Shiibot? :( |
| 20:20.53 | Shirik | because he doesn't like you |
| 20:21.20 | zenzelezz | you made a male bot? That's so wrong |
| 20:21.31 | Shirik | can be a she if you want |
| 20:21.35 | Shirik | !quit |
| 20:21.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Shiibot (n=Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam) |
| 20:21.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: it's come up before. |
| 20:21.43 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shiibot] by ChanServ |
| 20:21.50 | zenzelezz | I have no interest in a bot with a sexual identity crisis |
| 20:22.00 | NightHawkTheSane | it's obviously a she-bot. *nod* |
| 20:23.47 | Hjalte | I am trying out the WoWInterface UI Manager, but it is giving me a java error when trying to update anything. I'm using Java 1.6.0 rc10, is it too new or something? |
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| 20:27.05 | Shirik | uh |
| 20:27.12 | Shirik | I wouldn't be surprised if you get errors tbh |
| 20:27.24 | Shirik | That thing is currently EOL and is being redone |
| 20:27.37 | Cide | your bot failed |
| 20:27.41 | Shirik | but what's the error? |
| 20:27.47 | Shirik | stfu! It thought the channel was already locked |
| 20:27.57 | Shirik | It detected it fine |
| 20:28.03 | Shirik | It actually got up to a score of over 400 |
| 20:28.12 | Shirik | that's.... what, 8 times the requirement for a lock? |
| 20:28.34 | NightHawkTheSane | and yet.. :p |
| 20:28.45 | NightHawkTheSane | done in, by such a simple thing as case. |
| 20:28.53 | Shirik | yeah pretty stupid :( |
| 20:28.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ~failrik |
| 20:28.58 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:29.07 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:29.09 | Shirik | I blame Cide |
| 20:29.20 | NightHawkTheSane | true, it probably IS Cide's fault. |
| 20:30.08 | Shirik | just think |
| 20:30.16 | Shirik | when we're all at Blizzcon and only Shiibot is there to save you |
| 20:30.41 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.44 | Shirik | except Cide |
| 20:30.45 | Duman | heh |
| 20:30.50 | Shirik | Cide was a meanie and isn't coming |
| 20:31.08 | Cide | pay my flight and I'll go |
| 20:31.19 | Shirik | hell no |
| 20:31.24 | Shirik | that's what you get for living all the way out there |
| 20:31.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder how a grilled egg salad sandwich with swiss cheese would taste |
| 20:31.36 | Shirik | should live in america with all the cool people |
| 20:31.59 | Shirik | I expect it to taste like an egg salad, grilled, with a hint of swiss cheese flavor |
| 20:32.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Shirik |
| 20:32.19 | purl | lowers Shirik's priority |
| 20:32.37 | Shirik | ~karma Shirik |
| 20:32.37 | purl | shirik has karma of 5 |
| 20:32.40 | Shirik | whee |
| 20:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Shirik-- |
| 20:32.52 | Shirik | wtf |
| 20:32.59 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 20:33.04 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :~Shirik++ |
| 20:33.05 | Shiibot | ~Shirik++ |
| 20:33.12 | haste | ~karma haste |
| 20:33.12 | purl | haste has karma of -2 |
| 20:33.14 | haste | :( |
| 20:33.18 | Shirik | aww |
| 20:33.19 | Shirik | ~haste++ |
| 20:33.25 | Duman | hhaa |
| 20:33.25 | NightHawkTheSane | that's so cheating, Shirik :p |
| 20:33.32 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 20:33.36 | Cide | !quote QUIT :bye |
| 20:33.52 | Shiibot | Nice try, Cide |
| 20:34.03 | nevcairiel | I bet it works if Shirik does it |
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| 20:36.01 | foxlit | Honestly, it's !quote JOIN #iamabotbanmenow, not !quote QUIT: STUFF :) |
| 20:37.08 | Shirik | heh |
| 20:37.45 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, congressional procedure gives me a headache. |
| 20:38.22 | haste | http://xkcd.com/404/ funny! |
| 20:38.36 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:38.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ... hah |
| 20:39.10 | foxlit | http://xkcd.com/403/ < not |
| 20:39.23 | foxlit | well, the comic is |
| 20:39.30 | foxlit | but where's my Forbidden? |
| 20:39.50 | Shirik | oh look Cide |
| 20:40.03 | Shirik | this is funny to see in my alerts log |
| 20:40.20 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/97195 DENIED |
| 20:40.49 | Cide | haha |
| 20:42.14 | nevcairiel | is there a flying mount with passenger seats? |
| 20:42.42 | NightHawkTheSane | not currently, that i'm aware of. |
| 20:42.42 | Shirik | The problem is when you add passenger seats it's considered a structural modification |
| 20:42.56 | Shirik | As a result, the FAA has to recertify it, and you need another PE's signature too |
| 20:43.04 | Shirik | and that takes a long time |
| 20:43.21 | Shirik | :D |
| 20:43.32 | NightHawkTheSane | he has a point, though |
| 20:43.42 | Shirik | I go to an aeronautical school, what do you expect from me? |
| 20:43.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, they JUST figured out how to do passenger seats on land mounts. |
| 20:44.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i can't imagine they can push through the paperwork for flying mounts that quickly. |
| 20:44.13 | foxlit | Shirik: brain implosion upon discovery of the rocket mount that hovers in mid-air by applying horizontal thrust? |
| 20:44.38 | foxlit | I, for one, welcome our new Swift-Flight-Form-With-Seats overlords. |
| 20:45.14 | Shirik | foxlit: I choose not to think about these things :D |
| 20:45.26 | Shirik | I stick to controls strategy/avionics |
| 20:45.28 | Shirik | none of this force crap |
| 20:45.30 | foxlit | Damn you and your flexible suspension of disbelief! |
| 20:45.37 | Shirik | I don't believe in forces |
| 20:45.48 | Shirik | Everything is a bit in my world |
| 20:45.50 | foxlit | But you obey gravity? |
| 20:45.55 | Shirik | only if I choose to |
| 20:45.59 | Shirik | currently I choose to |
| 20:46.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik doesn't obey gravity, he just likes walking |
| 20:46.13 | foxlit | -1, missed t-shirt reference |
| 20:46.18 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:48.55 | Shirik | ok I have to go to a meetingz |
| 20:48.59 | Shirik | tt4n |
| 20:49.04 | Shirik | Cide will save you |
| 20:49.07 | Shirik | or destroy you all |
| 20:49.09 | Shirik | probably both |
| 20:50.14 | Cide | how can I save you |
| 20:50.17 | Cide | I'm not even opped |
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| 20:53.10 | Tem | kd3, ping |
| 20:54.01 | Adys | How do I get the portrait texture of a unit? |
| 20:57.28 | zenzelezz | "SetPortraitTexture(texture,"unit") - Paint a Texture object with the specified unit's portrait." |
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| 21:03.13 | AckisWork | is there a schedule for blizzcon yet? |
| 21:03.43 | Adys | thanks zenzelezz |
| 21:03.50 | netcurse | Ackis, no |
| 21:04.00 | netcurse | you can check out the panels, that's it so far |
| 21:04.08 | netcurse | panels name* |
| 21:04.51 | AckisWork | oh really? |
| 21:05.16 | netcurse | http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/panels/index.xml |
| 21:05.25 | AckisWork | ty ty ty |
| 21:08.46 | |pez| | polar bear mount for people who attend blizzcon? |
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| 21:12.08 | Cide | yep |
| 21:12.28 | |pez| | I want to go to blizzcon now. :p |
| 21:12.45 | Industrial | I dont care cause I could never go to blizzcon |
| 21:12.54 | Industrial | so it doesnt have any value to me \o/ |
| 21:17.37 | AckisWork | haha http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/store/?rhtml=y |
| 21:19.08 | Arrowmaster | im getting a polar bear mount but not going to blizzcon |
| 21:23.44 | |pez| | Arrowmaster! ;__; |
| 21:24.08 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 21:24.48 | |pez| | whyyy? (tell me how?! ;P ) |
| 21:24.48 | Fisker- | TRAITOR |
| 21:25.18 | Fisker- | you wasted a ticket on bear mount omgomgomg |
| 21:28.01 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532280877&sid=1 - "English mother-fucker! Do you speak it?" |
| 21:28.22 | |pez| | lulz? |
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| 21:28.31 | Dewin | well... blah. |
| 21:28.49 | Dewin | I ordered a DVD (The Gamers: Dorkness Rising) a month ago |
| 21:28.53 | Dewin | For some reason it got lost |
| 21:29.00 | Dewin | i.e. never received |
| 21:29.36 | Dewin | They're wiling to send it again, even asking me if I want anything else to send at the same time -- but they're presently backordered |
| 21:33.25 | bleeter | only USD$6Mil? Seems a little.. small. |
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| 21:33.49 | Kolie | Any takers on a CC beta for mac? Two known issues, really long startup time, and two apps. http://static.curseforge.net/client/CursseClientSetup-2.0.0.12.dmg |
| 21:33.55 | bleeter | wow, 2.5k per license hehe |
| 21:34.02 | bleeter | suz 2 b u mdy |
| 21:35.08 | bleeter | s/suz/sux/ |
| 21:35.32 | kneeki | If I were to make a panel.default and have it reset my tables to default values, would http://www.wowi.pastey.net/97202 be the way to do it? |
| 21:37.54 | Kolie | http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseClientSetup-2.0.0.12.dmg fixed linkie |
| 21:41.24 | cbreak | I never saw the purpose of letting external executable code run just to install some addons. |
| 21:41.42 | cbreak | I guess some people value their comfort more than their paranoia :( |
| 21:43.01 | NeoTron | cbreak: because manually updating 100+ addons is a major pain in the rear end |
| 21:43.35 | cbreak | with 100+ addons, even logging in is a pain I bet :) |
| 21:43.49 | erikd | or some people are so paranoid that something as simple as an executable doesn't phase them :) |
| 21:43.58 | cbreak | haha... I have 105 addons :/ |
| 21:44.55 | erikd | i have 268 folders in my AddOns dir |
| 21:44.58 | erikd | :) |
| 21:45.00 | cbreak | manually updating works ok for me though |
| 21:45.02 | cbreak | ouch |
| 21:45.14 | erikd | a lot of them are external ace libs, though |
| 21:45.20 | erikd | not individual addons |
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| 21:53.28 | Quaiche|work | 207 in my addons folder excluding Blizzard* ones |
| 21:53.33 | Quaiche|work | But like erikd many are libraries |
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| 21:53.52 | Quaiche|work | I'm been trying to shrink it down... |
| 21:53.59 | Quaiche|work | was over 260 a few months ago. :P |
| 21:54.02 | Cide | that's the funny part |
| 21:54.06 | Cide | how many are libraries? |
| 21:54.42 | erikd | bleh, i spend an hour or so trying to get subversive working in eclipse but i just can't get it going. i switch to subclipse and it works without me having to change anything |
| 21:54.57 | NeoTron | I ran without libs for a while |
| 21:55.07 | Cide | Quaiche|work: how many libraries? |
| 21:55.10 | NeoTron | it was nicer from an organizational PoV but load time was bad |
| 21:55.14 | NeoTron | like real ba |
| 21:55.51 | Quaiche|work | Cide: 37 match *Lib* |
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| 21:56.00 | Cide | that's funny |
| 21:56.03 | Quaiche|work | But that may not get them all |
| 21:56.14 | Quaiche|work | And Ace2 and Ace3 are only one folder each |
| 21:56.21 | Quaiche|work | So 37 + Ace2 + Ace3 |
| 21:56.22 | Cide | ~20% of your addons are libraries |
| 21:56.22 | purl | Cide: okay |
| 21:56.26 | Quaiche|work | Yep |
| 21:56.27 | Cide | ... |
| 21:56.27 | Quaiche|work | Crazy |
| 21:56.48 | Cide | i.e. |
| 21:56.54 | Cide | libraries have spiralled out of control |
| 21:56.56 | erikd | i'd count the 18 bigwigs "collections" as libraries |
| 21:57.16 | hipjipp | can anyone help me with this? something makes UIPanel_templates line 12 screw up... can't find it.. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97205 (lines 11, 12, 13) function PanelTemplates_GetSelectedTab(frame) return frame.selectedTab; end |
| 21:57.20 | Cide | no point in abstracting common utilities if only 2 addons use it |
| 21:57.21 | Quaiche|work | I successfully eliminated LibRock, now working on Ace2 |
| 21:57.24 | Cide | or one addon |
| 21:57.32 | Cide | fucking. stupid. |
| 21:57.37 | Quaiche|work | meh |
| 21:57.45 | Quaiche|work | Doesn't hurt me atm |
| 21:57.51 | Quaiche|work | They're all LOD |
| 21:57.59 | Quaiche|work | So if they don't get used, I don't see em |
| 21:58.02 | Quaiche|work | But I'm trying |
| 21:58.15 | Cide | I don't care about you |
| 21:58.29 | Cide | I mean the design and the philosophies of some parts of this community is stupid |
| 21:58.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: well, from a user point of view, sure. but a developer may abstract utilities for multiple projects and hte user only uses one of them |
| 21:58.47 | Quaiche|work | Yep |
| 21:58.54 | NightHawkTheSane | not that that's necessarily the case, im just syaing |
| 21:58.57 | Cide | like CT_Library.lua ? |
| 21:58.58 | NightHawkTheSane | god i can't type today |
| 21:59.01 | Cide | oh wait, that's right. |
| 21:59.07 | Cide | that doesn't belong in a separate addon |
| 21:59.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm also not really disagreeing with you, in specific regard to libraries |
| 22:00.14 | cbreak | the addons I write (which are written with me in mind only :) don't use any libraries, and all only depend on the blizzard API. The only time where I considered makign a library was for timing |
| 22:00.27 | cbreak | I ended up just adding a second lua file with the timer code |
| 22:00.36 | Cide | that's what a normal author would do |
| 22:00.49 | Cide | we don't need a library dedicated to fading a frame out over time |
| 22:00.57 | Cide | I bet there is one though. I just made it up. |
| 22:01.00 | cbreak | A second addon of me uses the same file, and the functions just overwrite each other when they are loaded. |
| 22:01.13 | cbreak | Cide: that's a blizzard api function :) |
| 22:01.18 | Cide | nope |
| 22:01.31 | cbreak | (it's written in lua I guess, but still) |
| 22:01.31 | Cide | it's a framexml function, true |
| 22:01.56 | Quaiche|work | If Blizz provided a higher level of utility library over the APIs, much of this might go away |
| 22:02.13 | cbreak | many things are already very abstract |
| 22:02.25 | cbreak | events instead of callbacks for example |
| 22:02.37 | Quaiche|work | As Apple, Java, MIcrosoft, C++ STL, etc. do over their lower level bits |
| 22:02.42 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe, but part of what cide is saying is correct. the mentality has become "i can abstract this, so therefore I SHOULD and into a separate library addon" |
| 22:03.09 | Quaiche|work | Sure |
| 22:03.24 | Cide | of course I'm right |
| 22:03.25 | cbreak | internal modularity is good imho |
| 22:03.27 | Cide | it's fucking insane |
| 22:03.34 | Quaiche|work | Too much CS education and not enough real world development experience. |
| 22:03.36 | Quaiche|work | :) |
| 22:03.41 | cbreak | but there's no need to create a DLL hell in wow addon space |
| 22:03.42 | Quaiche|work | Everyone want to be an "architect" |
| 22:03.49 | Quaiche|work | Already done cbreak |
| 22:04.02 | cbreak | hmm :/ |
| 22:04.11 | NightHawkTheSane | dll hell was ushered in by ace2 ;) |
| 22:04.40 | Neuro_Medivh | DO NOT SPEAK ILL OF ACE2! |
| 22:04.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (i=amarande@24-151-54-237.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 22:04.46 | cbreak | maybe because they wanted to <conspiracy>force people to use their troyan horse ace installer</conspiracy> |
| 22:04.46 | kneeki | lol!! |
| 22:04.47 | Amarande | hmm |
| 22:04.55 | Quaiche|work | OMG cbreak |
| 22:04.56 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: totally. |
| 22:04.58 | Neuro_Medivh | ACE2 IS LIKE JESUS, ONLY MODULAR! |
| 22:05.00 | Amarande | Any of you on a server in Emberstorm battlegroup? |
| 22:05.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: well, i -do- like my saviors to be modular. SOLD! |
| 22:05.17 | Neuro_Medivh | Amarande, I am |
| 22:05.25 | Amarande | Neuro, is your server down? |
| 22:05.38 | Amarande | and hey, don't I know you from somewhere? :) |
| 22:05.38 | cbreak | NightHawkTheSane: his noodlyness is served in super strings |
| 22:05.46 | Neuro_Medivh | no idea |
| 22:06.07 | Quaiche|work | Speak not ill of his noodly appendages! |
| 22:06.14 | Neuro_Medivh | Nope, Antonidas is just fine |
| 22:06.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i need more milk |
| 22:06.20 | Amarande | why am I being told Quel'dorei "World server is down" then? |
| 22:06.25 | Quaiche|work | eewww milk |
| 22:06.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: .. because your world server is down? |
| 22:06.46 | cbreak | milk becomes cheese. cheese is used on pizza. therefore, milk is great. |
| 22:06.46 | Neuro_Medivh | that's the world server... not the BG |
| 22:06.55 | Amarande | Neuro: last time this happened the entire battlegroup went out |
| 22:06.59 | Quaiche|work | We're the only species that a) drinks milk after weaning and b) drinks the mammary extract of another species |
| 22:07.23 | Amarande | Quaiche: I dunno, blood elves do that sometimes too :) |
| 22:07.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: there's a difference between a realm's server and a battlegroup, though |
| 22:07.25 | Neuro_Medivh | Amarande, yes, but this time it's just you. Probably only one of your world servers is down (you have 4) |
| 22:07.28 | Quaiche|work | rofl |
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| 22:07.39 | Amarande | but then, as all the times I've died on IQD tell me, blood elves themselves don't MAKE milk |
| 22:07.41 | p3lim|afk | haste: is there a way to call an object of a specific unit? |
| 22:07.44 | p3lim|afk | in ouf |
| 22:07.45 | Amarande | they pop into existence fully grown |
| 22:07.46 | Amarande | lol |
| 22:07.54 | cogwheel | holy crap this is cool... http://www.google.com/search2001.html |
| 22:07.56 | Duman | other mammals will drink milk after weaning.. we just drink it because we 'harvest' it :P |
| 22:07.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Quaiche|work: that reminds me: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2976181/Swiss-restaurant-to-serve-meals-cooked-with-human-breast-milk.html |
| 22:08.03 | Duman | (c.f. Cats, for example) |
| 22:08.14 | Amarande | on a different point |
| 22:08.26 | Amarande | is it easier to level a PvP server character 1-70 in one piece on the lowest, or the highest pop servers? |
| 22:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: thats so yesterday, but yes it is :) |
| 22:08.31 | Quaiche|work | NightHawkTheSane: You heard that PITA (or one of the other cuddly lovers) is pressing Ben and Jerry's to use human breastmilk in their ice cream? |
| 22:08.39 | Amarande | It always occurs to me to think lowest, since then you have the least chance of encountering someone who will gank you |
| 22:08.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: depends on faction, and faction balance |
| 22:08.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Quaiche|work: yeah |
| 22:08.56 | Amarande | (plus, on low pop servers, there are less enchanting resources, and thus fewer twinks) |
| 22:09.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: rolling alliance on a high-pop/high-alliance-ratio server would probably work fine |
| 22:09.41 | cbreak | I read that certain families of ants "milk" lice. |
| 22:09.41 | Neuro_Medivh | Amarande: why roll on a low pop pvp server? |
| 22:09.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd say the same about horde, but we all know there's no such thing as a high-pop/high-horde-ratio pvp server. |
| 22:09.54 | Amarande | on the other hand, rolling alliance on a low-pop, high horde ratio server is a good way to be bald? :) |
| 22:09.55 | cbreak | admitedly, they aren't exactly mammals. |
| 22:10.01 | Amarande | Night: Tichondrius? :| |
| 22:10.06 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: they do, although that's very much an analogy |
| 22:10.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Amarande: Again, why reroll on pvp? |
| 22:10.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ roll pve, and transfer, imo. |
| 22:10.37 | Neuro_Medivh | why not just transfer? |
| 22:10.40 | Amarande | according to wowcensus, Tich is like, 81% horde :) |
| 22:10.44 | Amarande | Neuro: that costs money, lol |
| 22:10.48 | Amarande | plus, I'd like to keep my 70 where she is |
| 22:10.53 | Amarande | however, I can't play my 70 now. heh |
| 22:11.13 | Neuro_Medivh | afaik, there is no high pop, alliance heavy pvp realm |
| 22:11.21 | Neuro_Medivh | but it's been awhile since I looked |
| 22:12.30 | Amarande | Magtheridon is *slightly* towards alliance, but that's like 51/49 |
| 22:13.07 | Amarande | Mug'thol |
| 22:13.16 | Amarande | 76:24 alliance |
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| 22:13.40 | Amarande | and Sargeras is 79:21 |
| 22:13.57 | Duman | jeez, 4:1 is pretty bad |
| 22:14.25 | Amarande | in any case, I suppose one wants to be in the faction that most of the players are, unless one wants one's theme song to be ... what was that song |
| 22:14.37 | Amarande | the one that goes something like "when I was younger I saw things in black and white. Now all I see is sad shades of grey" :) LOL |
| 22:14.44 | Duman | I think Gilneas is like 2:1 |
| 22:15.04 | Duman | maybe 3:1 |
| 22:15.04 | Neuro_Medivh | that's pve |
| 22:15.06 | Duman | yeah |
| 22:15.25 | Duman | oh you're talking about server-only PvP? |
| 22:15.35 | Amarande | I wonder what it would take to revitalize one of the low pop PvP servers |
| 22:15.36 | Duman | I guess I enver think about that, since I just PvP in the BGs |
| 22:15.54 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, Azgalor supposedly has 98% horde |
| 22:15.56 | Amarande | I figured I'd try something new, and high pop servers are likely to be too entrenched with too many established players |
| 22:16.00 | Keias | Tichondruis has tons of alliance |
| 22:16.03 | Keias | The ratio is way off |
| 22:16.20 | Amarande | Keias: besides, Tich is a server for people who want to kick the WoW habit :) |
| 22:16.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you may just try waiting around for a new server *shrug* |
| 22:16.22 | Syzgyn | Dont transfer to my server, its already lagging enough :( |
| 22:16.42 | Amarande | If you want to quit playing WoW, start playing on Tich or Zul'jin. :D |
| 22:16.50 | Keias | I loved playing on Tich |
| 22:16.58 | Amarande | Keias: the point is this, though :) |
| 22:17.08 | Amarande | if you play on one of those, you will spend an increasing amount of time not playing WoW, but waiting in line to play WoW |
| 22:17.15 | Keias | lol |
| 22:17.20 | Amarande | eventually, you will spend so little time playing WoW, that if you want to quit WoW, you will be able to wean yourself off it LOL |
| 22:17.27 | Keias | I prefer a queue over low pop tbh |
| 22:17.31 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10638057648&postId=106964387990&sid=2000#41 |
| 22:17.39 | Duman | oh wtf, he edited it, lol |
| 22:17.42 | Amarande | I really only care about low pop when I'm trying to get a group for something |
| 22:17.50 | Amarande | however, at this point, I've been grouping less and less |
| 22:18.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: still captured in a quote |
| 22:18.21 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: you say yesterday's news but i can't see anything with a date of 9/30 referencing it... |
| 22:18.23 | Duman | yes, unless he ninja-edits my quote ;) |
| 22:18.39 | Amarande | also, low pop servers often have less drama :) |
| 22:18.42 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: unless you have a different understanding of "yesterday" due to timezones ;) |
| 22:19.13 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. it -may- have been after midnight when i mentioned it here last night ;) |
| 22:19.45 | Amarande | lol there's this post on the Ysondre forum QQing because there's no drama :) |
| 22:19.53 | |Jelly| | What's the fastest way to get 9 badges? Which heroics? |
| 22:19.59 | Amarande | Jelly: kara |
| 22:20.07 | Amarande | you don't even have to do it on heroic! |
| 22:20.10 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.23 | Amarande | Jelly: seriously, just go to kara |
| 22:20.31 | |Jelly| | Ok let me rephrase. |
| 22:20.35 | Keias | SP, Mech |
| 22:20.39 | Duman | do the daily heroic |
| 22:20.46 | Duman | since that's +2 |
| 22:20.47 | Keias | wait that might cutyou short |
| 22:20.55 | Keias | Yeah, daily would be the best bet |
| 22:21.00 | |Jelly| | Kara and ZA aren't options, the daily heroic is already done and I need 9 badges. Which are the best for that? |
| 22:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: not that you could have found this, but it showed up in my rss feeds on the 30th. ;) http://www.asylumsw.com/misc/9-30.png |
| 22:21.19 | Amarande | Jelly: SSC and TK? :) |
| 22:21.20 | Neuro_Medivh | heroic mech? |
| 22:21.20 | Dashkal | heroic SH followed by heroc mech |
| 22:21.33 | cogwheel | heh |
| 22:21.36 | Amarande | actually you get 8 just from TK, right? |
| 22:21.37 | Duman | (assuming you have good groups) |
| 22:21.42 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: (amusingly, the date listed for that entry on daringfireball is 10-1 :p |
| 22:21.47 | Amarande | raids are two per boss? |
| 22:21.58 | Neuro_Medivh | believe so |
| 22:22.03 | Dashkal | Amarande: mostly. Kara Attumen is 1 |
| 22:22.13 | |Jelly| | And prince is 3 |
| 22:22.30 | Duman | wtf |
| 22:22.35 | Duman | beta = client patch |
| 22:22.45 | Duman | or something |
| 22:22.52 | Duman | maybe it was a launcher patch or something |
| 22:22.53 | Duman | weird |
| 22:23.17 | Duman | BNupdate and battle.net.dll updated |
| 22:23.55 | Amarande | actually, just run BT and you'll have way more badges than you needed :) |
| 22:24.08 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: heroic mech, heroic UB, and the first boss of heroic anything. |
| 22:24.38 | Amarande | lol, according to wowhead, badges are considered 'junk' |
| 22:25.04 | NightHawkTheSane | that may be wow's internal classification |
| 22:25.14 | Dashkal | Prolly a castoff from old MUD item types |
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| 22:25.17 | Amarande | but yeah, if you go to TK, you should get nine |
| 22:25.20 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 22:25.31 | Dashkal | Mwrarf |
| 22:25.34 | Dashkal | How's the foot? |
| 22:25.37 | Amarande | loot reaver, al'ar and solarian all drop 2 and KT drops 3 |
| 22:27.14 | |pez| | I want a quick and effective way to raise money >__> |
| 22:27.23 | cbreak | daily quests |
| 22:27.24 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: whoring |
| 22:27.31 | cbreak | sunwell island has many of those |
| 22:27.34 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, in-game? |
| 22:27.34 | |pez| | in.. real life XD |
| 22:27.35 | Duman | heh |
| 22:27.41 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, in real life? whoring, definitely. |
| 22:27.42 | Duman | I was in the middle of typing "sell yourself" |
| 22:28.13 | Duman | consulting gigs |
| 22:28.14 | Fisker- | LOL |
| 22:28.15 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532270621&sid=2000 |
| 22:28.17 | Fisker- | LOLOLOL |
| 22:28.35 | |pez| | I might be a bossperson at The Gathering this year (well... easter 09 ) but I want more money than the other bosspeople are willing to give me. |
| 22:28.36 | Fisker- | x hours ago "Lol holy is fine, and our holy paladins agree!" |
| 22:28.54 | Fisker- | Now: "Oh shi-, but in our defense healing is hard to meassure!" |
| 22:29.25 | Dashkal | Holy paladins _are_ op. How can you not be with a bacon spell? |
| 22:29.32 | NightHawkTheSane | holy paladins -are- fine |
| 22:29.32 | Duman | mmm, bacon |
| 22:29.40 | Duman | it should make all the mobs just stop and start to nomnomnomnom |
| 22:29.45 | NightHawkTheSane | that doesn't mean it can't use tweaks. |
| 22:29.45 | Fisker- | indeed Dashkal |
| 22:30.01 | |Jelly| | I think holy priests should get a chance to turn their 70 priest into a 70 of any other class. |
| 22:30.06 | Fisker- | holy paladins suck |
| 22:30.14 | Fisker- | If that means all other healers suck as well so be it |
| 22:30.26 | Fisker- | But i maintain that holy paladins suck like hell |
| 22:30.33 | NightHawkTheSane | as far as i've seen, holy paladins are perfectly competetive healers in raids |
| 22:30.42 | Fisker- | And it doesn't appear that the stats backup the claim that they're fine, atleast not compared to other classes |
| 22:30.53 | Amarande | hmm, should I be surprised that wowcensus normally reports a higher % of hunters on alliance than on horde side |
| 22:31.13 | cbreak | alliance can get night elf hunters. |
| 22:31.27 | cbreak | horde gets cow hunters or those blue guys |
| 22:31.30 | Fisker- | NightHawkTheSane as i see it Paladins only really compete in some fights, and in other fights they're pretty much just there because they raid a lot + give buffs |
| 22:31.34 | Amarande | cbreak: blood elves? :) |
| 22:31.44 | cbreak | they can be hunters too? interesting :) |
| 22:31.47 | Amarande | and I'm pretty sure orcs can be hunters also |
| 22:31.57 | Amarande | since I recall I have an orc hunter somewhere, that I never play anymore but still heh |
| 22:32.10 | Fisker- | And there's basically NOTHING in the holy tree worth taking over that you already have now in TBC |
| 22:32.20 | Fisker- | And there's no new spells either |
| 22:32.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: i havn't done any statistical analysis, and i don't play a paladin, all i can say is this: In all the grouping & raiding i've done on beta so far, holy paladins have been perfectly competetive and viable as healers -across the board- |
| 22:32.29 | Amarande | in any case, if they do anything dumb like put in frostmourne that at all resembles the wiki one, we won't have many holy OR prot pallies after a while lol |
| 22:32.32 | cbreak | no level 75 and 80 spell? |
| 22:32.44 | Fisker- | cbreak not healing wise |
| 22:32.55 | cbreak | mages only got damage spells also |
| 22:33.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: now, i can understand complaints of nothing new, or nothing new worth taking, im not speaking to that. I'm just saying that in my experience, they're not underperforming in the slightest |
| 22:33.19 | Amarande | good thing they're supposedly retooling FM |
| 22:33.29 | Fisker- | I can't speak for beta |
| 22:33.31 | Amarande | current FM instead of being DK awesomeness looks more like a blah ret pally weapon |
| 22:33.33 | cbreak | hybrids are hard to give spells to that please all specs I guess |
| 22:33.43 | NightHawkTheSane | The times i've raided with a holy pally, she pretty much topped the healing meters in nearly all cases. |
| 22:33.45 | Fisker- | But in Live they're massively underperforming in any fight that requires mobility and/or aoe heal |
| 22:34.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: yeah, in live they DO definitely. |
| 22:34.09 | Amarande | fisker: isn't that pretty much every healer other than a holy priest with CoH? |
| 22:34.10 | Fisker- | That means somewhat Hyjal, mostly BT and dunno SWP |
| 22:34.28 | Fisker- | NightHawkTheSane and nothing has changed in beta |
| 22:34.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: nah, CH does stupidly good in live right now |
| 22:34.53 | Fisker- | or atleast almost nothing |
| 22:34.58 | Amarande | Night: Wouldn't know, I don't touch the resto tree at all on my shaman :) |
| 22:35.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: thats so blatantly false i'm not going to dignify that with an in depth response |
| 22:35.13 | Fisker- | You don't have an in depth response to give |
| 22:35.16 | Amarande | my shaman is going for 52/9/0 and I don't expect that to change with 3.0 either :) |
| 22:35.18 | Fisker- | It's not false at all |
| 22:35.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: on live right now chain heal is teh sex. :) CoH is comparable :) |
| 22:35.42 | Amarande | I also know better than to spec enh |
| 22:35.52 | Amarande | having tanked instances that had enh shammies in the groups, I can tell you one thing |
| 22:35.56 | Amarande | the enh shammy always dies |
| 22:35.56 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:36.03 | Fisker- | The most significant change we got was LoH CD lowered as well as no mana cost |
| 22:36.21 | Fisker- | Our heals heal for more now that BoL has become integrated with the spell |
| 22:36.32 | Fisker- | But healing for more isn't a concern of ours |
| 22:36.34 | Amarande | Fisker: is there or is there not a damage debuff on Forbearance in current beta btw? |
| 22:37.05 | Fisker- | haven't played my paladin that much because i was playing DK |
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| 22:38.05 | Amarande | I know they changed the duration of forb to 3 min (which seems to matter not one iota), and they added a 15% reduction to damage dealt for that 3 min too at some point |
| 22:38.09 | NightHawkTheSane | bah |
| 22:38.13 | Amarande | but then people QQed about it, I don't know what happened after that |
| 22:38.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: you're completely ignoring the coefficiant change for pally heals. |
| 22:38.31 | Amarande | after all, you know what the ultimate skill in WoW is |
| 22:38.41 | Fisker- | Doesn't seem fair for a 15% damage reduction for a 20(or 30?) second damage buff |
| 22:38.56 | Amarande | "QQ (Rank 99): Causes Blizzard to listen to each and every one of your complaints. Requires the caster and 2 party members to cast QQ in unison ..." |
| 22:38.56 | Fisker- | NightHawkTheSane no, they're just irrelevant |
| 22:39.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: no, they're not. |
| 22:39.15 | Fisker- | One change is for the integration of BoL, the other change is from the Spellpower change |
| 22:39.16 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a significant change to the efficiancy of the heals. |
| 22:39.17 | Amarande | Fisker: they took forbearance off avenging wrath if I recall |
| 22:39.21 | Amarande | it's only on the bubbles now |
| 22:39.27 | Fisker- | ah |
| 22:39.42 | Fisker- | NightHawkTheSane overhealing isn't efficient |
| 22:39.52 | Amarande | and 3 min really doesn't change things seeing as normally you use BoP to protect the healer against an errant mob, and DS is on a 5 minute cooldown |
| 22:40.01 | Fisker- | Our problems aren't healing 1 target, it's healing many targets, or healing efficiently |
| 22:40.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ... you know |
| 22:40.23 | Amarande | I heard the 15% damage debuff was something about making bubble not be OP for healers |
| 22:40.33 | Amarande | apparently, bubble is intended to now become an emergency button for healers rather than tanks |
| 22:40.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm done with this conversation, you're little more than an uninformed troll, and i'm not going to bother anymore. |
| 22:40.51 | Amarande | er, not be OP for tanks, and still be good enough for healers |
| 22:40.52 | Fisker- | Says the person who doesn't play a paladin |
| 22:40.53 | Fisker- | gg :) |
| 22:41.07 | Amarande | I have not the foggiest about healadins myself, seeing as I've only played prot |
| 22:41.13 | NightHawkTheSane | (actually, i lied, i do have a pally, he's just prot) |
| 22:41.31 | Amarande | Night: I guess we learned something new tonight |
| 22:41.37 | Amarande | the fact that people spec pallies something other than prot :) |
| 22:41.37 | Fisker- | Well Blizzard and the community seems to disagree with you NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:41.48 | Amarande | doesn't everyone spec prot? heh |
| 22:42.00 | Fisker- | So i'll go be uninformed and a troll together with Blizzard and the rest of the community |
| 22:42.05 | Fisker- | Then i'll go get some sleep |
| 22:42.12 | NightHawkTheSane | do that. |
| 22:42.15 | Fisker- | Hope for more nice changes throughout the night |
| 22:42.17 | Amarande | Fisker: being a troll is fine, as long as your guild doesn't require you to be alliance |
| 22:42.31 | Fisker- | How do i roll troll paladin? |
| 22:42.43 | Amarande | you'll have to settle for a hunter, I'm afraid |
| 22:43.24 | Amarande | actually, I know a few folks who spec ret or holy, but personally I can't dream of speccing a paladin other than prot |
| 22:43.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i specced prot because i'm a masochist and love tanking >< |
| 22:44.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i've also got a feral druid, and i used to play a prot warrior. >< |
| 22:44.37 | Amarande | don't you by definition have to be a masochist to tank? :) |
| 22:44.53 | NightHawkTheSane | probably. |
| 22:47.22 | Amarande | hm, I'm glad I didn't roll horde on Ysondre in 2.3. :) |
| 22:48.26 | Amarande | Stormstrike battlegroup was teh suck in 2.3 |
| 22:50.32 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, water shield, with the 2pc-t7 and the water shield glyph returns 535 mana.. neat |
| 22:51.48 | Fisker- | Nah it's not |
| 22:51.55 | Fisker- | i r enhancement shaman and i r bettar than yuo |
| 22:52.02 | Fisker- | om nom nom |
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| 22:58.46 | Gngsk | Tekkub, ping |
| 23:01.06 | NeoTron | pallies best new spell is clearly Bacon of Light |
| 23:01.21 | ulikemysong | can someone help me ? im looking for the xml widget that makes selectable lists as the guild/location/race in the /who window |
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| 23:05.25 | alestane | I suspect it's a FauxScrollFrame or something similar. |
| 23:05.43 | Amarande | ok, why do people from entirely different servers come onto servers' realm forums and bash people? :| |
| 23:06.00 | ulikemysong | i think its not a fauxscrollframe but similar indeed |
| 23:06.05 | Dashkal | same battlegroup? |
| 23:06.33 | Amarande | yeah, it is |
| 23:06.41 | Amarande | and usually, they come on to bash people's arena skills (or lack of same) |
| 23:06.44 | Tekkub | ow |
| 23:10.25 | Amarande | "your gear level will not be an issue unless you are a tank which 15k hp buffed is a minimum" |
| 23:10.27 | Amarande | this ... is for MC |
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| 23:10.40 | Amarande | if an *MC* raid needs tanks to have 15k hp ... |
| 23:10.43 | Amarande | isn't that failboat :| |
| 23:11.06 | Amarande | unless tanks had more hp in classic than I thought they did |
| 23:11.40 | Kalroth | wut? |
| 23:11.46 | Gngsk | buffed, that was back int he day of elixir stacking etc |
| 23:12.04 | NeoTron | I rememebr doing twin emps |
| 23:12.06 | Kalroth | 15k was unheard of pre-TBC |
| 23:12.07 | Tem|laptop | We didn't see 15k hp until the end of BWL |
| 23:12.12 | Kalroth | wtf |
| 23:12.13 | NeoTron | our MT once had over 10k health and we were amazed |
| 23:12.18 | Tem|laptop | er |
| 23:12.20 | Kalroth | I had 10k health in Naxx |
| 23:12.20 | Tem|laptop | you're right |
| 23:12.26 | NeoTron | I seriouslby doubt 15k health was ever seen prebc |
| 23:12.26 | Tem|laptop | 10k was a big deal at the end of BWL |
| 23:12.29 | Kalroth | and I had like 4-5 pieces of T3 |
| 23:12.33 | Tem|laptop | I remembered incorrectly |
| 23:12.39 | Adys | it was NeoTron |
| 23:12.40 | Adys | in bgs |
| 23:12.49 | NeoTron | well in raiding |
| 23:12.52 | Adys | the battle standards giving 30% hp, and the AV buffs, etc etc |
| 23:13.00 | Kalroth | our tauren cow broke 11k in Naxx, but 15k would only have been through last stand, trinket, etc. |
| 23:13.07 | Kalroth | not for a duration over 15 seconds |
| 23:13.52 | Kalroth | in MC and the start of BWL I had 4299 health as a dps warrior and uhh, well I didn't have much tank gear so no clue really :p |
| 23:14.05 | Amarande | yeah, someone on the Ysondre forum is demanding 15k hp to tank MC :| |
| 23:14.12 | kd3 | rofl |
| 23:14.30 | Kalroth | MC has been cleared by a hunter and a healer, using the hunters pet for tanking |
| 23:14.31 | Adys | I tanked garr AND his 8 adds on my mage with 19k hp :) |
| 23:14.32 | Adys | 80 |
| 23:14.46 | NeoTron | I had a stamina on my priest that I used on Sartura for example |
| 23:14.50 | NeoTron | I had OVER 6000 health |
| 23:14.56 | Kalroth | omg! |
| 23:14.57 | Adys | WHAT SIX THOUSAND? |
| 23:15.05 | Kalroth | that's high even by TBC standards :P |
| 23:15.18 | kd3 | meh, I think I peaked somewhere in the 4.5k health range when we were raiding naxx |
| 23:15.20 | NeoTron | people laughed at me until they all died at sartura while I kept healing the tanks |
| 23:15.21 | kd3 | yay being a mage |
| 23:15.22 | Kalroth | our priests didn't break 7k before we hit MH/BT |
| 23:15.29 | Adys | had 5.5k usually |
| 23:15.31 | Tem|laptop | Kalroth, you've never done Naj'entus, have you? |
| 23:15.31 | Adys | naxx |
| 23:15.39 | Kalroth | Tem|laptop: 8500 health needed. :) |
| 23:15.42 | Amarande | heh, back in the day, you had 11k hp tanking naxx |
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| 23:15.45 | NeoTron | more like 9.5k needed |
| 23:15.50 | Kalroth | not with a shield |
| 23:15.53 | Amarande | now in wotlk, you'll have to get over 20k hp, after which you can tank ... well, naxx |
| 23:15.54 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:15.55 | NeoTron | or you're likely to die from random dmg |
| 23:15.57 | Tem|laptop | Adys, I tried to solo Garr on my DK |
| 23:15.57 | NeoTron | true |
| 23:16.04 | Kalroth | our priests put shield on themselves before the Naj shield |
| 23:16.08 | Adys | garr is hardly soloable |
| 23:16.09 | Kalroth | broke* |
| 23:16.10 | Tem|laptop | I think it's 100% doable with a little more gear than I had |
| 23:16.12 | Adys | some MC bosses are |
| 23:16.12 | smcn | epic fail from this PTR forum r-tard: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/10544541253-bugs-resilience-and-achievements.html |
| 23:16.25 | Tem|laptop | Adys, I couldn't try anything but Garr :( |
| 23:16.34 | Tem|laptop | Gehennas was impossible without a curse cleanser |
| 23:16.45 | Adys | geddon? |
| 23:16.45 | Tem|laptop | and I couldn't kill Core Hound packs to get to Luci or Mags |
| 23:16.59 | Tem|laptop | I didn't try Baron Geddon |
| 23:17.00 | Adys | mag has shitloads of hp :D |
| 23:17.08 | Tem|laptop | I didn't even want to _think_ about flame packs |
| 23:17.08 | Adys | I think I can solo geddon as a mage |
| 23:17.15 | Tem|laptop | why? |
| 23:17.18 | Kalroth | Adys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXF5N__GdRk for you |
| 23:17.22 | Amarande | hmm, am I going to kick myself starting a rogue on a server where I won't be able to twink it? |
| 23:17.28 | Adys | because of slow fall and fireward/ice barrier |
| 23:17.38 | Adys | I can recast them before they're done |
| 23:17.50 | Adys | since they now scale with spellpower |
| 23:17.59 | Adys | old Kalroth |
| 23:18.06 | kd3 | heh. are geddon's spells 63 or your level+3 still? |
| 23:18.15 | Kalroth | level + 3 |
| 23:18.16 | Tem|laptop | your level +3 |
| 23:18.18 | Adys | living bomb is lvl+3 |
| 23:18.28 | Adys | the other ignite mana thing is 63 |
| 23:18.30 | Amarande | that depends on the spell, doesn't it? |
| 23:18.35 | Adys | yes Amarande |
| 23:18.41 | Amarande | I know there's a fair number of mob abilities whose levels are fixed regardless of the level of the mob that uses it |
| 23:18.52 | Amarande | it's why old school antivenom is useful in ... ssc, was it? |
| 23:19.07 | Adys | Luffa !!! |
| 23:19.09 | Adys | rofl |
| 23:19.11 | kd3 | lmao |
| 23:19.12 | Amarande | the one that had those pathetic poison using mobs whose poison is level 60 :P |
| 23:21.00 | Adys | Kalroth: Did I tell you? |
| 23:21.02 | Adys | IM A RAIDER ! |
| 23:21.11 | bleeter_ | NO U |
| 23:21.12 | Adys | Dual box raiding beta and live at the same time |
| 23:21.12 | Kalroth | ME 2! |
| 23:21.25 | Adys | naxx on the right screen, bt on the left screen |
| 23:21.25 | Kalroth | I was a warrior, now I'm a paladin. |
| 23:21.27 | Adys | how leet is that? |
| 23:21.57 | Kalroth | nn! |
| 23:21.58 | Amarande | btw, what's this I hear about skinning giving a crit rating bonus in wotlk? |
| 23:22.09 | Adys | something really old |
| 23:22.18 | Tem|laptop | should be a crit % |
| 23:22.20 | Tem|laptop | not crit rating |
| 23:22.22 | Amarande | it doesn't make sense |
| 23:22.31 | Adys | yes and no tem |
| 23:22.31 | Tem|laptop | all of them are getting them |
| 23:22.40 | Tem|laptop | mining get +stam |
| 23:22.48 | Tem|laptop | (or hp, I don't remember) |
| 23:22.48 | Adys | since it more or less scales with skill level |
| 23:22.56 | Adys | it "'KIND" of scales with level too |
| 23:22.57 | Tem|laptop | herbing gets a heal |
| 23:23.09 | Adys | so rating doesnt totally lack sense |
| 23:23.39 | Tem|laptop | do you get more rating for a higher skinning? |
| 23:23.44 | Adys | yeah |
| 23:23.46 | Amarande | I'm just not getting what the purpose of gathering professions having this bonus is |
| 23:23.49 | Amarande | or what the rationale is, either |
| 23:24.01 | Amarande | unless the 80 perk sets are gonna be so OP that dual gatherers need a little leg up |
| 23:24.08 | Adys | ... |
| 23:24.18 | Adys | you know every crafting profession gets a stat bonus? |
| 23:24.20 | Tem|laptop | every profession has "good" perks now |
| 23:24.26 | Adys | enchanting gets ring enchants, bs gets sockets on belt |
| 23:24.26 | bleeter | I'm still trying to work out how Enchanting isn't a gathering profession ;) |
| 23:24.30 | alestane | If I had to guess, incentive to gather your own mats versus buying them on the AH. |
| 23:25.01 | Adys | jwc gets a bop gem, alch gets a trinket |
| 23:25.03 | Amarande | bleeter: every so often you have to enchant something so you can DE the next batch of stuff :) |
| 23:25.52 | bleeter | Amarande: it's just something that's stuck in my head since the SSO gathering daily, and all the greens I used to get from the SSO reward box foo |
| 23:27.05 | kd3 | whoa, that was quick |
| 23:27.09 | kd3 | a build two days in a row? |
| 23:27.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Really? o_0 |
| 23:27.21 | NightHawkTheSane | another build? |
| 23:27.24 | Amarande | well, yeah, outland does tend to throw spades of useless greens at you :) |
| 23:27.26 | kd3 | just logged in to wrath and it got a patch |
| 23:27.34 | kd3 | apparently something minor as it's still 9014 |
| 23:27.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 23:28.08 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: oh, launcher update or something, i think someone mentioned something about that earlier. battle.net dlls or something? |
| 23:28.10 | bleeter | someone said earlier there's a new bnupdate and dll |
| 23:28.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:28.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/aa29/ |
| 23:28.47 | ScytheBlade1 | "Nothing more needs to be said. |
| 23:28.47 | ScytheBlade1 | You're welcome. |
| 23:28.48 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 23:28.49 | kd3 | guess it's wrath-only. ptr didn't update |
| 23:29.00 | kd3 | sbo; rofl |
| 23:29.02 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 23:29.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Seriously though |
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| 23:29.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: but its true, what more DOES need to be said? |
| 23:32.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Borderline creepy |
| 23:32.25 | ScytheBlade1 | But.. |
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| 23:33.29 | Dashkal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.39 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:33.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure |
| 23:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just $10 too, so yeah |
| 23:34.02 | Dashkal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:34.17 | Dashkal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.42 | Amarande | "All totems are now considered on the "Physical" school, and no longer magical spells" |
| 23:34.47 | Amarande | does this mean that totems can't be buffed by spell power either? |
| 23:34.54 | Amarande | (or does AP buff them now?) |
| 23:34.58 | NightHawkTheSane | what? |
| 23:35.05 | Amarande | Night: that's in the 3.0.2 shaman notes |
| 23:35.07 | Dashkal | Means I can't kick your lightning and have you be unable to drop a totem |
| 23:35.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Ahh |
| 23:35.14 | Adys | hahahah |
| 23:35.14 | NightHawkTheSane | what Dashkal said |
| 23:35.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no, i mean, what do you mean about "be buffed by spell power/AP"? |
| 23:35.27 | Adys | so THAT is blizzard's fix to clams not stacking |
| 23:35.35 | kd3 | adys? |
| 23:35.36 | Adys | not making them lootable, making them create stuff instead |
| 23:35.37 | Amarande | Night: I mean, which stat boosts the damage dealt by damage-dealing totems? |
| 23:36.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: oh, im sure they still scale in the same way they did before, however that was (ie: searing scales with your spell power) |
| 23:36.11 | kd3 | so are we not looting the damn clams themselves any more? |
| 23:36.12 | Amarande | I'm assuming spellpower, but ... |
| 23:36.17 | Adys | nope kd3 |
| 23:36.21 | Adys | its Use: Open the clam! |
| 23:36.22 | Amarande | kd3: more to the point |
| 23:36.27 | Amarande | does this mean clams can be sold on the AH now? |
| 23:36.30 | Adys | and You create: Clam Meat Whatever |
| 23:36.35 | Adys | and yeah Amarande I suppose so |
| 23:36.36 | kd3 | huh |
| 23:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: like Dashkal said, though, the only effect of that change should be to make sure you can't be locked out of totems by silence effects |
| 23:37.57 | cbreak | I am in a dilemma: drop herbalism on my mage for inscriptions (together with tailoring), or keep herbalism and hope that there's no good bop inscription stuff |
| 23:38.41 | Dashkal | cbreak: inscription gives you an extra major glyph. Decide if that fourth slot is worth the prof slot for you |
| 23:38.43 | Neuro_Medivh | the bop inscription stuff is a 4th major glyph slot and some shoulder enchants |
| 23:38.45 | Amarande | cbreak: choice of professions is basically never game breakingly important :) |
| 23:38.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 23:38.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/01/gotgame-tries-to-bring-a-browser-and-social-networking-inside-az/ |
| 23:39.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure if that's going to be cool or not.. |
| 23:39.13 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 23:39.35 | Dashkal | Amarande: long as they don't pull a leatherworking-drums again :p |
| 23:39.45 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: if you have an alt herbalist, then you could probably drop it on that toon |
| 23:40.01 | cbreak | I have no notable alts :/ |
| 23:40.16 | kd3 | and wow |
| 23:40.22 | kd3 | I'm still without regular polymorph |
| 23:40.26 | Amarande | dang, I'm going to LOVE my dark pact aff lock in 3.0 |
| 23:40.28 | Dashkal | cbreak: inscription requires herbalism or a metric ton of gold given how badly that market will inflate... |
| 23:40.33 | Amarande | I shall literally never run out of mana, ever |
| 23:40.35 | cbreak | my highest is a level 53 warrior who always almost borderline pushes me to quit the game when I play her... |
| 23:40.42 | Amarande | and literally never have to use life tap either, ever |
| 23:40.49 | cbreak | I thought of leveling a DK for herbalism |
| 23:41.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: drums wont get out of hand since the change to add a tinnitus debuff |
| 23:41.21 | cbreak | but I can't imagine me sticking with leveling a second char. I guess I stick with herbalism. hmm... |
| 23:41.24 | Amarande | were drums really that important as to require every dps caster to be a LW? |
| 23:41.32 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I know, I was using that as an example oh how one prof can accidently become too important |
| 23:41.35 | Hjalte | Amarande: Dark Pact seems quite bad in wotlk, returning less mana than Life Tap. As Affliction you should be able to Life Tap without your healers feeling it, making that the best form of getting back mana. |
| 23:41.36 | Amarande | which is what I gathered from the idea that dps casters should take lw |
| 23:41.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: technically, it was a non-insignificant dps boost. |
| 23:42.03 | Amarande | I suppose if you're a mage in a Brutallus raid that sucks, you might actually need it. |
| 23:42.08 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: imo, then, stick with herbalism, and maybe switch later on when herbs cool down again |
| 23:42.23 | Amarande | of course, the solution to that is to not join raids that suck :) |
| 23:42.35 | Hjalte | I was a bit sad, that I was the only cloth caster in my guild having drums, thus it was always me using the gcds to activate them :( |
| 23:42.43 | Dashkal | Amarande: it was more of a min/max thing. Not so much required as it gives you that extra boost |
| 23:43.10 | Dashkal | Then of course all the lemming progression guilds started enforcing it |
| 23:43.17 | cbreak | enrage timers in BC are usually very forgiving |
| 23:43.32 | Amarande | cbreak: pretty much, yeah |
| 23:43.36 | Amarande | other than on maybe brutallus |
| 23:43.41 | Amarande | and netherspite :| |
| 23:43.56 | cbreak | netherspite is also forgiving :) |
| 23:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 netherspite? |
| 23:43.59 | Dashkal | I don't think I've ever had netherspite enrage on me. Illhoof a couple times, though |
| 23:44.05 | cbreak | at least enrage wise |
| 23:44.06 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, netherspite HAS an enrage timer? |
| 23:44.14 | kd3 | is something wrong with UIDropDownMenu_Initialize() in 3.0? getting tells that it only works if you use this, not self |
| 23:44.16 | Dashkal | as I recall we dropped illhoof after he berserked anyway |
| 23:44.17 | Amarande | Night: netherspite = one little mistake, and he goes back to 100% with no chance to get him back down before the oops you lose timer |
| 23:44.43 | cbreak | just have backups on the green ray |
| 23:44.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i've.. -never- had that happen >.> |
| 23:44.52 | Amarande | I still stand by my idea that hard enrages suck, though |
| 23:44.52 | Dashkal | Amarande: 'little'? That fight is basically "Keep the fucking green beam off of him". |
| 23:45.42 | Amarande | Dashkal: let's just say I have an easier time with goddamned prince than netherspite |
| 23:45.53 | cbreak | kd3: it depends what's in the variables "this" and "self" |
| 23:45.58 | Dashkal | Fucking random fight. I hate prince |
| 23:46.07 | Amarande | then again, prince is a nice fight to be a lock in |
| 23:46.09 | Dashkal | Along with shade. |
| 23:46.11 | cbreak | they nerfed him badly |
| 23:46.16 | Amarande | since you can usually life tap the hell out of yourself without paying any real price at all |
| 23:46.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (n=Yssaril@adsl-99-141-134-74.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:46.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: suck less imo |
| 23:46.29 | Amarande | since you know you'll get it all back next 1hp debuff cycle anyway |
| 23:46.32 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: I just hate highly random fights |
| 23:46.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: (actually I've been in on an attempt that went >5 minutes... oy) |
| 23:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | We had four infernals despawn before we got "the bad one" and wiped |
| 23:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It... was bad |
| 23:47.10 | Amarande | in any case, the only bosses before netherspite I've even wiped on at all in kara are curator and maiden, and only once each |
| 23:47.29 | Amarande | maiden I think was because one of the hunters lost los with the healer and ate a holy fire |
| 23:47.35 | cbreak | have you ever been on kara learning? |
| 23:47.37 | Amarande | curator was more technical |
| 23:47.39 | Dashkal | Maiden gave us lots of trouble because our guild never ever got the step in strategy. Now we outgear it so much it doesn't matter anymore. |
| 23:47.43 | cbreak | we wiped for hours on almost all bosses |
| 23:47.57 | Amarande | Curator we wiped on once because ... well, basically, we had two people who could tank him |
| 23:47.59 | Dashkal | Illhoof took us far longer than it should have to learn. |
| 23:48.11 | cbreak | Dashkal: on maiden we used healing palas with blessing of sacrifice |
| 23:48.14 | cbreak | worked excelently |
| 23:48.19 | Dashkal | cbreak: that's what we do |
| 23:48.26 | Dashkal | Step in just works better, though |
| 23:48.32 | Amarande | however ... one of the tanks could both tank curator and dps the orbs, while the other could only tank curator and couldn't dps the orbs at the same time |
| 23:48.34 | Dashkal | But requires healers that don't just faceroll |
| 23:48.56 | Amarande | I forget which tank was which off the top of my head ... when I got back from Dragon Con the raid changed schedules and I couldn't raid with them anymore with my job schedule |
| 23:49.28 | WobWork | oh come on! |
| 23:49.30 | WobWork | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10539070163&sid=2000 |
| 23:49.34 | Amarande | anyway, since we had people who knew what they were doing, but had borderline gear, the dps numbers didn't add up on the orbs the first time and we wiped |
| 23:49.40 | Dashkal | tank the orbs? We just burn them to the ground asap. |
| 23:49.40 | WobWork | There goes my only reason to go get wotlk =P |
| 23:49.43 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rf] by Shirik |
| 23:49.47 | Amarande | dash: nono |
| 23:49.52 | Amarande | you can't tank the orbs, anyway :) |
| 23:50.03 | cbreak | you can sort of. |
| 23:50.04 | Adys | Polar Bear Cub -- This wasn't intended to be a tamable pet, and it looked ridiculous. |
| 23:50.04 | Amarande | Tank A, could tank Curator and -at the same time- could help DPS down the orbs |
| 23:50.06 | Adys | AWWWWWW |
| 23:50.25 | Tekkub | bear cub only looks bad because it resizes too big |
| 23:50.30 | Amarande | Tank B, the one we used first, couldn't do both at the same time, so we had less DPS on the orbs then |
| 23:50.41 | WobWork | Adys: Exactly! Why do I want to buy the xpac now? =( |
| 23:50.45 | Dashkal | GC win: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10638057648-will-ghostcrawler-be-at-blizzcon.html |
| 23:50.47 | WobWork | It was AWESOME |
| 23:50.48 | Tekkub | it should get a little bigger than the panda minipet, but still smaller than a normal bear |
| 23:50.50 | Amarande | One was a warrior and one was a druid, I forget who was only built for one target at a time |
| 23:51.01 | Amarande | I've only ever tanked as pally so I'm fuzzy on how war/druid do it |
| 23:51.06 | WobWork | Tekkub: Aye even then, getting mauled by a minipet would have been fantastic |
| 23:51.07 | ScytheBlade1 | "-- Whatever the outcome, buying me drinks is encouraged. (Can I say that? Will I get banned?) " |
| 23:51.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "-- I feel pretty." |
| 23:51.11 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 23:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | win |
| 23:51.34 | kd3 | rofl |
| 23:51.57 | Tekkub | I would totally take a cub pet |
| 23:52.06 | Tekkub | SLAP IN THE FACE! |
| 23:52.12 | WobWork | No no |
| 23:52.16 | WobWork | a PERSONAL SLAP IN THE FACE |
| 23:52.17 | Amarande | thankfully I'm the sort who's good enough with RPGs to quickly learn bosses as long as I know what one's supposed to do |
| 23:52.24 | Amarande | since I almost never actually get to raid :| |
| 23:52.46 | Amarande | basically, I'd gone a few months without raiding, went to kara once the day before I left for Dragon Con, got back and found I was no longer schedule-compatible with the raid group anymore. :P |
| 23:52.50 | Adys | why your guild hates you? |
| 23:52.57 | Adys | i wouldnt be surprised |
| 23:53.08 | Amarande | Adys: actually, my guild loves me, but we no longer have the right balance of classes to raid much anymore |
| 23:53.19 | Adys | that's what they tell you? |
| 23:53.24 | Amarande | the other raid group was a guild I would have potentially gone to if the scheduling had been compatible |
| 23:53.27 | cbreak | learning bosses is fun. but it involves lots of wiping while figuring out what the hell the boss is doing and how we can deal with it |
| 23:53.33 | Dashkal | Eh, as long as people actually _listen_ raiding tends to be smooth. Even when learning. People listen and the mistakes get corrected reasonably quickly (where reasonably quickly appears to be a function of how far progressed you are) |
| 23:53.53 | Amarande | basically ... our MT left to found a new guild (nothing personal against us, rather she wanted a guild her husband was more comfortable being in) |
| 23:53.54 | cbreak | unfortunately, my guild didn't want to learn bosses like that anymore after kara, so they started relying on premade strategies :( |
| 23:53.58 | Amarande | and a bunch of people from our guild left to help her |
| 23:54.02 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 23:54.13 | Amarande | unfortunately, that bunch pretty much included almost all the tanks and healers and we were stuck with the DPS |
| 23:54.25 | Adys | what a load of fail |
| 23:54.29 | Amarande | so now we have a guild with like, 50+ active members almost all of who play DPS :| |
| 23:54.34 | WobWork | So it ended up being personal against you =P |
| 23:54.47 | WobWork | since they effectively screwed the entire guild |
| 23:55.07 | Amarande | there's a reason I pretty much only log onto QD these days to do the cooking daily and chat a bit heh |
| 23:55.30 | WobWork | "Nothing against you all personally, but we don't care if us leaving for another guild makes it impossible for you to raid" |
| 23:55.52 | Amarande | Wob: errr ... I think someone's marriage is a *little* more important than karazhan |
| 23:56.05 | WobWork | What. They -all- got married? |
| 23:56.05 | Amarande | I know, I just said something blasphemous to say in a WoW channel heh |
| 23:56.13 | Adys | lmao wob |
| 23:56.18 | Adys | no amarande |
| 23:56.34 | Adys | I dont know whether i should be surprised or not you buy into all of this bs |
| 23:56.39 | WobWork | I can understand the MT going off to be the guild with the husband |
| 23:56.47 | WobWork | but why every other healer and tank? |
| 23:56.51 | Adys | her husband would have been fine in the other guild too |
| 23:56.54 | kd3 | wow, way to go fark: [Hero] Texas scientists to schoolboard: "Calling 'intelligent design' arguments a weakness of evolution is like calling alchemy a weakness of chemistry, or astrology a weakness of astronomy" |
| 23:56.55 | Amarande | Wob: that's just the way the cookie crumbled basically |
| 23:57.01 | Adys | and yeah all healers etc going off is just something arranged |
| 23:57.15 | Amarande | we have a few healers left, but basically no good tanks |
| 23:57.30 | WobWork | Amarande: So I reiterate my statement =) |
| 23:57.32 | Amarande | actually I have a tankadin but she's only level 62 |
| 23:57.38 | Dashkal | Amarande: any confirmed DKs for WotLK at least? |
| 23:57.44 | WobWork | Those healers and tanks that left clearly didn't care about the rest of the guild |
| 23:57.58 | WobWork | and that their leaving would fairly much gimp the guild |
| 23:58.26 | Amarande | Dash: really not sure who will or won't build a DK |
| 23:58.36 | Amarande | I'll probably make one, but since my lock is my main ... |
| 23:58.58 | Dashkal | I'm switching in, but that doesn't affect my guild's balance whatsoever (I was a feral) |
| 23:59.55 | Amarande | basically, the reason I don't raid much comes down to the fact that it's very late in BC and finding a raid guild that 1) focuses on raiding Tuesdays and Wednesdays, and 2) actually is going to take a lock that isn't in really high end gear, is somewhat ... difficult. |
