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| 00:15.53 | Dewin | hmm |
| 00:16.13 | Dewin | If I have an object parented to a frame, and the parent frame's alpha is 0.5 but the object's alpha is 1.0... what exactly happens? |
| 00:16.55 | Cide | the object's effective alpha is then 0.5 |
| 00:17.03 | Cide | :GetEffectiveAlpha() |
| 00:17.08 | Dewin | then why does it not look like that's working... hmm |
| 00:17.19 | alestane | The object shows up with 0.5 alpha, assuming all parents in the chain have 1.0 alpha besides the immediate parent. |
| 00:17.22 | Cide | call that and see? |
| 00:18.10 | Dewin | Oh now it is, weird |
| 00:18.20 | Dewin | *just broke a lot of things* |
| 00:24.15 | Corrodias | congrats, that's always the most fun :D |
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| 00:28.36 | Amarande | hmm, according to 3.0.2 patch notes, resistance will now exclusively function to lower enemy spell hit and not reduce damage at all? |
| 00:29.29 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 00:29.52 | Arrowmaster | really? |
| 00:29.59 | Amarande | that's what it says on the wiki |
| 00:30.00 | Esamynn | Amarande: where did you see that? |
| 00:30.08 | Esamynn | what wiki? |
| 00:30.08 | Arrowmaster | wow sounds like i wont have to tank in raids anymore! |
| 00:30.10 | Amarande | http://www.wowwiki.com/3.0.2 |
| 00:30.15 | Amarande | look under racial abilities |
| 00:30.19 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 00:30.22 | Arrowmaster | no thats different |
| 00:30.32 | Amarande | if this means what I think it means, people can forget about clearing BT once that patch is out heh |
| 00:30.34 | Arrowmaster | all the racials where changed |
| 00:30.47 | Arrowmaster | not the other stuff |
| 00:31.26 | Esamynn | ~lart Amarande |
| 00:31.26 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags Amarande into court suing for $200 million |
| 00:32.30 | Syzgyn | ping Cairenn or Dolby |
| 00:32.48 | cbreak | resistances will lower the damage of spells that hit you probabilistically |
| 00:32.52 | cbreak | in steps of 10% |
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| 00:33.37 | Amarande | cbreak: but without the kind of reliability that resistance has now for raid equipment? |
| 00:33.53 | cbreak | it does not have any reliability |
| 00:34.25 | cbreak | resistance cap means you will resist 100% of the damage 75% of the time, 0% of the damage otherwise, for binary spells |
| 00:34.37 | cbreak | or for spells that do damage, you will resist 75% on average |
| 00:34.49 | cbreak | they have some kind of gaussian bell function for it |
| 00:34.57 | Corrodias | probabilistically? |
| 00:35.03 | cbreak | yes |
| 00:35.04 | Amarande | I was under the impression that for some battles, particularly Shahraz, the damage reduction from resistances as they are now is essential |
| 00:35.18 | Corrodias | patch 3.1 introduces Quantum Resistance |
| 00:35.36 | Dewin | does ClearAllPoints() on something not make it poof into a lalaland of frames that aren't attached to something? |
| 00:35.54 | Dewin | Or does that only work if it was never attached in the first place? |
| 00:36.18 | Amarande | and that once 3.0.2 is out, doing BT is going to be an exercise in hoping Mother fails enough spell hit rolls, instead of any reasonably reliable strategy |
| 00:36.31 | cbreak | why? |
| 00:36.47 | cbreak | the only thing that changes is that the step size is now 25%, and it will be 10% in the future |
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| 00:37.06 | kenlyric | the damage resistance from racials is essential to a fight? |
| 00:37.23 | kenlyric | I'm pretty sure that's entirely wrong |
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| 00:38.32 | Tekkub | Shiibot fails |
| 00:38.37 | kenlyric | the racial resists were changed, not resists in general |
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| 00:38.48 | cbreak | exactly |
| 00:38.50 | Tekkub | Dolby, Shirik cladhaire, pingy? |
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| 00:39.02 | cbreak | the only thing that changes with resistance in general is the step size |
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| 00:39.15 | cbreak | (and of course, the level cap) |
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| 00:41.11 | NeoTron | as if mother was ever hard? :P |
| 00:41.12 | NeoTron | well |
| 00:41.15 | NeoTron | post-nerf |
| 00:42.18 | Syzgyn | I remember one mother kill I did |
| 00:42.46 | Syzgyn | no sooner did I utter 'its not like mother is hard', that I got ported into the middle of the raid and lagged out, blowing everyone up. |
| 00:42.50 | cbreak | we wiped twice tonight on her :( |
| 00:43.05 | cbreak | one try, three people with the aoe debuff got teleported right into the raid |
| 00:43.19 | Amarande | I mainly cited Mother due to being aware of the particular importance of resistance in that battle vs. others in BC raiding |
| 00:43.50 | Amarande | joy. I'm leveling my alt in the mid 20s and sister riven decided to spawn :| |
| 00:44.02 | Legorol | who is sister riven? |
| 00:44.24 | cbreak | his RL sister? |
| 00:44.31 | Amarande | Leg: 28 rare elite in Stonetalon |
| 00:44.33 | cbreak | sharing an account with her? :) |
| 00:44.36 | Amarande | who happens to be hanging out near the mobs I need to kill |
| 00:44.54 | Amarande | I'm like ... ok, that's just Ripper right? then I mouse over it, and see it's a rare |
| 00:44.57 | Tekkub | stupid hunter question time! |
| 00:44.58 | Amarande | then I see it's an elite, too :( |
| 00:45.18 | Tekkub | with the new pet talents... you never have to go out taming for skills now, do you? |
| 00:45.27 | Carancu | nope |
| 00:45.35 | Tekkub | huzzah! |
| 00:45.36 | alestane | Not as I understand it. |
| 00:45.37 | Amarande | and I need ONE more fragging roguefeather and they're all having a tea party with the damned elite |
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| 00:46.03 | cbreak | is the "Special pet tame talent" in bm still implemented? can you keep your pets tamed like that if you respec? |
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| 00:46.24 | smcn | i believe you keep the pet but can't summon it |
| 00:46.28 | Shirik | rawr |
| 00:46.31 | cbreak | :( |
| 00:46.32 | smcn | when you unlearn talents the pet is dismissed |
| 00:46.48 | cbreak | not that I have a hunter, but that's lame |
| 00:47.16 | kenlyric | no |
| 00:47.19 | kenlyric | not lame |
| 00:47.37 | Tekkub | would you rather lose the pet? |
| 00:47.42 | kenlyric | pretty sure you'd call that a bug if you got benefit from the talent |
| 00:47.48 | kenlyric | without the talent |
| 00:48.05 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 00:48.12 | cbreak | if I had a hunter, I'd take that talent |
| 00:48.32 | batrick | sup friend shirik |
| 00:48.37 | Shirik | rawr |
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| 00:52.21 | cbreak | minor mage glyph "Glyph of Bear Cub" makes all polymorphs create cubs, not only Polymorph: Sheep :( |
| 00:53.36 | Dashkal | That spell, like druid forms, really needs its own mechanic for customization |
| 00:53.37 | Shirik | "There shall be an intelligent efficiency learning recommender" |
| 00:53.47 | Shirik | I wonder sometimes why I assigned these people to be on my team |
| 00:53.53 | Shirik | ^ example requirement from requirements list I was given |
| 00:54.36 | batrick | those glyphs need to not replace sheep :( |
| 00:55.08 | Syzgyn | Theres probably not a system in place for glyphs to grant unique spells. |
| 00:55.14 | cbreak | what is a learning recommender? |
| 00:55.34 | Shirik | that's a wonderful question |
| 00:55.36 | cbreak | a guy who constantly yells "Thou shalt learn!" |
| 00:56.21 | cbreak | Syzgyn: I've got a vendor bought "Polymorph: Black Cat" spell, a new spell. |
| 00:56.22 | batrick | it gives the impression that shirik's other team members contribute |
| 00:56.27 | cbreak | which gets replaced by bear cub now :( |
| 00:56.53 | Syzgyn | cbreak: not a glyph :) |
| 00:57.05 | cbreak | yes. a tome :) |
| 00:57.12 | Syzgyn | There's a difference though |
| 00:57.31 | cbreak | it's customizability that gives new spells. blizzard shows they can do it |
| 00:57.34 | Syzgyn | I expect a glyph could grant a spell somewhat easily, but removing it would be tough. |
| 00:57.48 | Syzgyn | *shrug* |
| 00:57.53 | cbreak | I lose spells constantly |
| 00:57.59 | cbreak | every time talents get reset |
| 00:58.15 | cbreak | (appart from Focus Magic, which doesn't seem to vanish) |
| 01:03.57 | Shirik | btw cbreak, the intent behind that requirement does make sense |
| 01:04.04 | Shirik | it's just not specific enough, and has horrible terminology :P |
| 01:04.26 | cbreak | I didn't get yet what it even is |
| 01:04.53 | Shirik | well I don't expect you to, you don't know the problem :) |
| 01:05.28 | KarlKFI | PANTS! |
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| 01:05.56 | WobWork | pft, I saw him leave |
| 01:06.00 | WobWork | some ninja =P |
| 01:07.17 | Shirik | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 01:07.20 | cbreak | that can only mean one thing |
| 01:07.25 | cbreak | he's still here. |
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| 01:09.47 | TC-Laptop | Le Sigh |
| 01:10.14 | TC-Laptop | can anyone hear me? |
| 01:10.25 | Corrodias | nyet |
| 01:10.34 | Corrodias | i mean... nyes. |
| 01:10.36 | TC-Laptop | ok great |
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| 01:12.23 | TC-Laptop | so there is a sewer with 4 turtles and a rat..... |
| 01:13.59 | Shirik | yeah yeah, Tekkub |
| 01:14.04 | Shirik | I blame Cide |
| 01:16.12 | Shirik | !reload |
| 01:16.12 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
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| 02:03.16 | Neuro_Medivh | lol.. just got a virus email from "ckknight@gmail.com" |
| 02:04.29 | Dewin | If I do v = function(...) someupvalue:Show() end |
| 02:04.44 | Dewin | Is that function created/GC'd every time the assignment is evaluated? |
| 02:04.54 | Dewin | or is it created once and just virtually called with different upvalues? |
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| 02:05.26 | batrick | Dewin: the function (closure) is remade every assignment |
| 02:05.34 | batrick | i dont' really know what you mean by "GC'd" though |
| 02:05.57 | batrick | the previous closures, if no other references exist of course, will be GC'd eventually |
| 02:06.04 | batrick | but when is undefined |
| 02:06.12 | JoshBorke | eventually :) |
| 02:06.21 | Dewin | batrick: Am I inducing additional overhead/garbage by defining the function anonymously like that versus defining the function globally and calling it multiple times? |
| 02:06.22 | JoshBorke | it's best not to do that imo |
| 02:06.33 | batrick | Dewin: probably |
| 02:06.38 | Dewin | That's what I wanted to know ;) |
| 02:06.50 | batrick | but if the closure has upvalues, and the design calls for it being remade each time, don't sweat it |
| 02:07.02 | Dewin | The upvalues aren't neccessary, I can work around them |
| 02:07.07 | JoshBorke | it all flushes out in the end imo |
| 02:07.16 | Dewin | JoshBorke: I'm trying to avoid memory churn. |
| 02:07.46 | batrick | closures are relatively cheap, so as long as you aren't doing it constantly in some loop then it is probably ok |
| 02:07.51 | batrick | don't optimize before you need to |
| 02:08.27 | Dewin | batrick: If defining a 2 line function once as a global is more efficient even if only one place will ever call it (it's actually a callback for UIDropDownMenu), then I can do it that way |
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| 02:09.07 | Dewin | well for debatable definitions of 'global' |
| 02:09.24 | Dewin | My only global is a table that everything else belongs toall of my globals belong to one table |
| 02:09.32 | Dewin | s/all of my globals belong to one table// |
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| 02:14.49 | Syzgyn | Why must my server be terrible 2 nights in a row :( |
| 02:15.03 | kd3 | because it hates you |
| 02:16.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 02:16.34 | Syzgyn | last night it was so bad we couldnt raid |
| 02:16.38 | Syzgyn | and now I cant do arenas |
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| 02:20.54 | Dewin | What's a terse (i.e. shown in menu way of saying) "Automatically change to the most recently updated reputation/etc"? |
| 02:21.11 | Dewin | and... hmm |
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| 02:21.30 | Dashkal | What's the name of the options group this will be under? |
| 02:21.34 | Dewin | Top level |
| 02:21.50 | Dewin | Accessed by right-clicking on the individual bar. |
| 02:21.52 | JoshBorke | Follow Reputation Changes |
| 02:22.08 | Dewin | Except I can't use 'reputation', since it might also apply to a tradeskill or petXP or something |
| 02:22.32 | Dewin | lua>function f() return 1, 2 end; local a, b, c, d = f; |
| 02:22.33 | lua_bot | Dewin: No output |
| 02:22.37 | NightHawkTheSane | so, just "Follow Changes"? |
| 02:22.46 | Dewin | Alright. That works :) |
| 02:23.34 | JoshBorke | lua> function f() return 1, 2 end; local a, b, c, d = f, f, f, f; print(a == b == c == d) |
| 02:23.34 | lua_bot | JoshBorke: false |
| 02:24.39 | Dewin | I was trying to see if setting more variables than the function returned generated an error or not |
| 02:24.45 | Dewin | since it doesn't, I can use the 3.x version of Progression in wow 2.x |
| 02:25.57 | Dewin | at least, I think I can... *watches faction.lua explode* |
| 02:26.17 | JoshBorke | the additional variables will be set to nil |
| 02:26.35 | Dewin | yup |
| 02:26.50 | Dewin | I needed to make sure that was the case as opposed to throwing a script error |
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| 02:33.11 | Shirik|zZz | it's not really possible for Lua to have that cause an error, Dewin |
| 02:33.21 | Shirik|zZz | it doesn't make sense based on the architecture of Lua |
| 02:34.00 | Shirik|zZz | (consequently, it doesn't cause an error) |
| 02:34.04 | Dewin | I'm still a lua newbie ;) |
| 02:34.30 | Dewin | interestingly enough |
| 02:34.33 | Dewin | my addon does not work in 2.x |
| 02:34.40 | Dewin | ... the menus are all completely broken. |
| 02:34.52 | Dewin | As in, you can click but nothing happens |
| 02:35.00 | Shirik|zZz | it's not possible for Lua to determine at compile-time how many values a function will return. As a result, every call also asks the Lua VM to extend or compress the number of returns to a given count |
| 02:35.19 | Shirik|zZz | so when you do something like local a,b = foo() |
| 02:35.46 | Shirik|zZz | it actually does something like "GETGLOBAL foo; CALL -1, 2;" |
| 02:36.08 | Shirik|zZz | I think the actual args are -1, 0, 2 |
| 02:37.54 | Dewin | Shrik: I figured there was a decent chance it'd return an error at run time, I figured compile time wouldn't care. |
| 02:38.13 | Dewin | but now I know better |
| 02:38.20 | Dewin | still want to know why my menus don't work in wow 2.x |
| 02:39.17 | Dewin | neither did the rested XP display... quite |
| 02:39.55 | cbreak | the number of arguments many API and related functions expect has changed between 2.4 and 3.0 |
| 02:40.23 | cbreak | many functions now expect a frame as first argument, shifting all following arguments by one |
| 02:41.00 | ckknight | Neuro_Medivh: bah. |
| 02:42.54 | Dewin | cbreak: The stuff that's not working for me is the UIDropdownMenu, the rest works fine. |
| 02:43.01 | Dewin | and UIDropdownMenu isn't generating an error, it's just nooping |
| 02:43.14 | cbreak | that is one of the functions that changed |
| 02:43.16 | cbreak | I think |
| 02:43.19 | Dewin | I'm fixing to diff it |
| 02:43.25 | cbreak | I had to change an addon for it |
| 02:44.32 | Dewin | aha, you're right |
| 02:44.34 | Dewin | -func(this.arg1, this.arg2, checked); +func(self, self.arg1, self.arg2, checked); |
| 02:45.01 | Dewin | weird that I got no error though, unless my error handling addon was behaving badly |
| 02:45.28 | Dewin | Be easy enough to fix for 2.x |
| 02:46.20 | cbreak | I don't like the UIDropdownMenu api |
| 02:46.30 | Dewin | it's not *too* bad |
| 02:46.34 | Dewin | once I figured out how it worked |
| 02:46.41 | Dewin | but it does have some shortcomings |
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| 02:47.05 | Dewin | Like... I can't dynamically change one submenu when an option is selected in another |
| 02:47.54 | Dewin | Besides that, the only issues I see is the documentation really, really sucks |
| 02:48.46 | cbreak | it has documentation? |
| 02:48.54 | Dewin | Sort of. |
| 02:48.59 | Dewin | There's comments in the source code |
| 02:49.05 | Dewin | incorrect comments, but comments nonetheless |
| 02:49.13 | cbreak | that's what I found |
| 02:49.15 | Dewin | " info.menuTable = [TABLE] -- This contains an array of info tables to be displayed as a child menu " |
| 02:49.36 | Shirik|zZz | Anyone else having issues with the servers? |
| 02:49.37 | Dewin | it's actually info.menuList |
| 02:50.37 | cbreak | Coldara is surprisingly stable after 2 in the morning here :) |
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| 02:59.01 | morkii | does closetgnome work with the upcoming patch? |
| 03:00.22 | Lukian | yes |
| 03:00.30 | Lukian | well I think it di |
| 03:01.05 | Lukian | <CIA-50> nevcairiel * r80580 ClosetGnome/ClosetGnome.lua: ClosetGnome: apply a patch to work on WotLK as well |
| 03:01.09 | Lukian | ^ should do :) |
| 03:01.18 | morkii | awesome thank you |
| 03:01.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i've been using it on beta with no issues |
| 03:01.32 | morkii | i must have an old version still |
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| 03:03.49 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: whats the 2nd return from IsAddOnEnabled? |
| 03:05.23 | Iriel | Do you mean IsAddOnLoaded? |
| 03:06.13 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 03:06.30 | Iriel | One is whether the load is complete, and one is whether it's started, i believe the latter is the second return value |
| 03:06.47 | Iriel | though I may have them mixed up.. let me see |
| 03:07.54 | Iriel | loadStarted, loadFinished = IsAddOnLoaded() |
| 03:13.02 | kd3 | rofl @ "Hidden in Plain Sight". no objectives... no description... |
| 03:17.34 | Amarande | there a 3.0 survival guide list out yet? |
| 03:17.41 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532268144&sid=1 |
| 03:17.46 | kd3 | wowwiki.com/WotLK_AddOn_status |
| 03:17.53 | batrick | hmm i wonder if i should nominate myself |
| 03:18.20 | kd3 | I'll be putting together a 3.0 sticky soon as we know the patch is going live in short order |
| 03:19.41 | kd3 | anyone know who 'gizmodo' is? |
| 03:19.46 | kd3 | not the blog |
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| 03:20.41 | Xinhuan | anybody here have the old rank 11 mounts (that require 75 riding) and have beta account? |
| 03:21.03 | Shirik|zZz | I don't even have a mount on my druid |
| 03:21.06 | Shirik|zZz | I still use travel form |
| 03:21.16 | Shirik|zZz | but yes, I do |
| 03:21.18 | batrick | mount costs like 30g |
| 03:21.20 | batrick | ur bad |
| 03:21.30 | Xinhuan | well can you find out if the |
| 03:21.39 | Xinhuan | same mounts that uses pvp tokens to buy |
| 03:21.46 | Xinhuan | (the 150 riding ones) |
| 03:21.49 | kenlyric | mount also takes 3 seconds to cast |
| 03:21.55 | Xinhuan | count as the same or different mount? |
| 03:21.56 | kenlyric | that's a lot of work |
| 03:22.02 | Shirik|zZz | I'm confused Xinhuan |
| 03:22.12 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 03:22.12 | Xinhuan | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=18242 |
| 03:22.15 | Xinhuan | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=29471 |
| 03:22.21 | Amarande | ouch, someone had better fix Omen soon |
| 03:22.22 | Xinhuan | the first item is the rank 11 mount |
| 03:22.25 | Amarande | or October is going to SUCK for grouping |
| 03:22.38 | Xinhuan | the 2nd item is the mount after patch 2.0 after they removed the old honor system |
| 03:22.41 | Xinhuan | bought with badges |
| 03:22.48 | Xinhuan | the riding requirement is different |
| 03:22.53 | Xinhuan | but its "the same mount" |
| 03:23.04 | Xinhuan | what i want to know is if they count as 2 different mount spells |
| 03:23.08 | Xinhuan | in wrath |
| 03:23.09 | Shirik|zZz | ohohoh |
| 03:23.13 | Xinhuan | i.e towards the 50 mount achievement |
| 03:23.16 | kenlyric | Amarande: huh? |
| 03:23.22 | kenlyric | there's built-in threat! |
| 03:23.23 | Shirik|zZz | I don't have that character on beta unfortunately |
| 03:23.23 | Xinhuan | will ppl who bought the old rank 11 mounts have an advantage? |
| 03:23.30 | Xinhuan | kenlyric: blizzard removed it |
| 03:23.38 | Shirik|zZz | I haven't used that character in ages |
| 03:23.43 | kenlyric | lol |
| 03:23.51 | Xinhuan | right now i'm the only person in the world with a v0.1 copy of omen3 ;p |
| 03:24.06 | Xinhuan | i'm trying to add a simple config |
| 03:24.42 | Xinhuan | well Shirik|zZz, go copy it and make sure you have enough pvp tokens to buy a "post honor system mount" |
| 03:24.56 | Shirik|zZz | too many instances :( |
| 03:25.02 | Xinhuan | i want to know if i should petition to have my 4 rank 11 mounts undeleted! hehe |
| 03:25.06 | Shirik|zZz | BG instances |
| 03:25.30 | Xinhuan | oh no tokens? >.< |
| 03:26.18 | Shirik|zZz | What part of "haven't logged this character in forever" don't you understand |
| 03:26.23 | Shirik|zZz | I don't think he ever even saw 2.0 |
| 03:26.32 | Shirik|zZz | no he must have |
| 03:26.32 | Shirik|zZz | he's 70 |
| 03:26.35 | Xinhuan | time to log it on! |
| 03:27.00 | Xinhuan | you'll at least want to spend the tokens on it anyway, before wrath launch |
| 03:27.08 | Xinhuan | before the token/honor wipe |
| 03:27.13 | Shirik|zZz | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 03:27.48 | Amarande | I thought they were only resetting arena points, not honor |
| 03:27.56 | Xinhuan | both |
| 03:28.00 | Xinhuan | token, honor, arena |
| 03:28.18 | Amarande | though I heard something about an honor wipe when you ding 71, or somesuch |
| 03:28.41 | Xinhuan | you're removed from lvl 70 arena teams when you ding 71 |
| 03:28.50 | Xinhuan | honor/tokens are wiped on wrath launch |
| 03:29.28 | Amarande | that seems strange, since surely you get new tokens when you do WSG etc. again afterwards |
| 03:29.41 | Xinhuan | blizzard's goal is to reset the pvp field |
| 03:29.52 | Xinhuan | so that ppl with a stockpile cannot get all the gear quickly when they hit 80 |
| 03:30.15 | Amarande | or is there going to be some sort of new restriction like you can only get marks in the top bracket? |
| 03:30.30 | smcn | Amarande who is going to spend time farming marks before 80? :P |
| 03:30.46 | Xinhuan | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/16/5963149857-arena-and-honor-system-changes.html |
| 03:30.47 | Shirik|zZz | note to self: If I ever create a site to show stock information, don't offer the option "Frequency: Hourly" with "Length: 1 decade" |
| 03:30.49 | Xinhuan | there |
| 03:31.54 | Duman | hmm |
| 03:32.15 | Duman | so did anyone know who gizmodo is? |
| 03:32.53 | Duman | he said: |
| 03:32.55 | Duman | [20:23:05] [W From] [70:Gizmodo]: i'm a dev, i wrote group calendar and outfitter |
| 03:33.13 | Duman | but only after I kept asking who he was, since I didn't know |
| 03:33.26 | Shirik|zZz | I've heard the name before, tbh |
| 03:33.30 | Shirik|zZz | I don't memorize names though |
| 03:34.56 | Duman | *shrug* |
| 03:35.00 | Duman | I invited him, but he never accepted |
| 03:35.47 | kenlyric | http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=39247 |
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| 03:40.34 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 03:40.48 | kd3 | damage shields are causing players to be dealt obscene amounts of damage |
| 03:41.00 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/hp.png |
| 03:41.02 | Duman | orly? |
| 03:41.07 | Duman | kd3: any dmg shield? |
| 03:41.08 | jaxdahl | my DK has almost obscene HP now |
| 03:41.11 | Duman | or the warrior talent? |
| 03:41.13 | jaxdahl | that's just fort+kings+challenging shout |
| 03:41.20 | jaxdahl | ret aura, thorns |
| 03:41.27 | jaxdahl | it seems situational |
| 03:41.32 | Duman | jax: good lord |
| 03:41.35 | Duman | (your HP) |
| 03:41.36 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10544537045&sid=1 |
| 03:41.42 | kd3 | and good god... 30k hp? |
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| 03:41.46 | Duman | which gear are you wearing |
| 03:41.50 | kd3 | is that premade or naxx raid gear? |
| 03:41.54 | jaxdahl | naxx gear |
| 03:41.57 | kd3 | o_O |
| 03:41.59 | Duman | premades had like 22kish |
| 03:42.03 | ajmitch | 30k doesn't seem that overpowered |
| 03:42.16 | jaxdahl | i can get another 1k at least |
| 03:42.18 | jaxdahl | _maybe_ 2k |
| 03:42.25 | Duman | heh |
| 03:42.41 | jaxdahl | doesn't cut it when patchwerk hits for 20k, kd3 |
| 03:42.48 | Xinhuan | and tanks struggle to beat 10k hp ;p |
| 03:44.58 | jaxdahl | i have 27270 hp unbuffed |
| 03:45.28 | jaxdahl | i've seen druids with 35k+ |
| 03:47.10 | batrick | jeeze |
| 03:50.14 | Arrowmaster | huh? i soloed patchwerk |
| 03:50.50 | batrick | cloth shoulders better drop this week or im going to be an eternally sad panda :( |
| 03:50.56 | batrick | (naxx cloth shoulders) |
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| 03:54.12 | Duman | I should stop leveling other toons and get my DK to 80 |
| 03:54.56 | batrick | o rly |
| 03:58.22 | Tem | omfg |
| 03:58.25 | Tem | big post from gc |
| 03:58.29 | Tem | DK tanking changes |
| 03:59.36 | batrick | anyone around happen to have the operating system concpets book (dinosaur book) 7th edition? |
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| 04:01.33 | NightHawkTheSane | tem, link? |
| 04:01.43 | Tem | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532598374&postId=106370595394&sid=2000#10 |
| 04:01.51 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks |
| 04:03.02 | NightHawkTheSane | omg, they FINALLY changed Blade Barrier to something SANE |
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| 04:04.50 | NightHawkTheSane | and that rune strike change is -nice- |
| 04:06.03 | Duman | hah, just saw that thread |
| 04:06.23 | smcn | and a whiny feral druid on the first page, go figure |
| 04:06.49 | Duman | I wish they would just insta-ban people who QQ'd like that on the beta forums |
| 04:07.27 | Recompense | They'd have to admit that they made a mistake letting them in in the first place if they took that approach. |
| 04:07.42 | Duman | that's fine.. it was random |
| 04:07.46 | Duman | jsut pull the weeds out |
| 04:07.47 | Recompense | Or rather, they should |
| 04:08.35 | Duman | uh oh, warrior post |
| 04:08.51 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532268423#0 |
| 04:09.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: they should insta-ban people who do that on ANY of the forums. >< |
| 04:09.27 | Duman | nighthawk: well, yeah.. but I was trying to suggest they start somewhere liek beta first ;-) |
| 04:09.36 | Duman | I actually like how in-check they have kept the PTR forum |
| 04:09.52 | Duman | I think maaven has been dropping the smack down |
| 04:09.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: meh, at this point, i think the only solution is to more or less nuke the entirety of the forums, and then restart them with an iron fist regime. *nod* |
| 04:10.20 | smcn | like the ptr forums! |
| 04:10.28 | NightHawkTheSane | yes! |
| 04:10.31 | Duman | Sudden Death now grants 10 rage, so that following the Execute you have 10 rage left over. In the course of testing this, we also decided Execute by itself wasn't doing enough damage, so it got a buff too (could be around +15%), which will also help the talent. |
| 04:10.40 | AnduinLothar | well on the beta forums they have specifically asked for QQ |
| 04:10.42 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 04:10.51 | Duman | Bladestorm breaks roots and snares when initially used. It doesn't break other forms of CC, largely because we suspect that if it did, that functionality in PvP would overshadow the actual cool whirlwindy part. |
| 04:11.29 | NightHawkTheSane | AnduinLothar: no, they asked for civil discussion, concerns, and data, not whiny-bitch qqing :p |
| 04:11.40 | AnduinLothar | same hting |
| 04:12.07 | Recompense | Constructive criticism (CC) != QQ |
| 04:12.23 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'd respectfully submit they're two pretty different things. |
| 04:13.04 | Recompense | I can disagree with something and point out reasonably why I disagree with it without resorting to sarcasm and whining - if I try hard, that is ;) |
| 04:13.35 | AnduinLothar | lies |
| 04:13.43 | Duman | THE CAKE! |
| 04:14.49 | Recompense | The cake is not a lie, I just had some |
| 04:15.02 | Recompense | (which reminds me, need to do cooking daily) |
| 04:17.04 | Duman | taht druid needs to get banned, pl0x |
| 04:20.57 | smcn | anyone using tomtom in beta that can tell me how to fix ctrl-right-clicking the map to add a waypoint? not using any other map mods, and all it does is switch the map to continent view |
| 04:25.19 | smcn | cancel that, found it on wowi comments |
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| 04:41.19 | jaxdahl | will lose about 1-1.5% parry from the bladed armor change |
| 04:41.25 | jaxdahl | but get 2.5% from the dodge bug fix |
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| 04:48.05 | Dewin | Hmm... I'm going to have to give in and make a config UI /sigh |
| 04:48.22 | Dewin | and it's going to make a lot more sense to make it in FrameXML |
| 04:48.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, i didn't find it too hard to do it in lua |
| 04:49.08 | Dewin | true. |
| 04:49.15 | Dewin | I just... have no idea where to start ;) |
| 04:49.25 | Dewin | My other option is having about 8 levels worth of menu items |
| 04:49.35 | Dewin | and I'd STILL need to make a frame because there are a few places that'd require text entry |
| 04:49.50 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, definitely better to just make a full config gui ;) |
| 04:50.09 | Dewin | or I could just say screw the config UI for the initial release |
| 04:50.10 | Dewin | >.> |
| 04:50.10 | NightHawkTheSane | but i just looked at other addons that did what i wanted, and see how they did it |
| 04:50.58 | Dashkal | Big DK tanking post: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/18/10532598374-upcoming-death-knight-tanking-changes.html |
| 04:51.00 | Dewin | Only thing you can't do now is customize the colors, text display, alpha levels, or fade/hide timeouts |
| 04:51.19 | Dewin | oh... and it doesn't save settings currently |
| 04:52.12 | Dewin | oh, you also can't create more than one group, but that's kind of an lol feature anyways |
| 04:52.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: welcome to an hour ago ;) |
| 04:52.45 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I was busy in icecrown an hour ago :p |
| 04:52.45 | Dewin | I should probably figure out how to work tooltips. |
| 04:53.51 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, make sure to eat dinner while watching the part where the guy explodes |
| 04:54.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i hate you |
| 04:59.00 | ccox | nah, finish a full dinner, then watch Mr. Creosote explode |
| 05:06.32 | NightHawkTheSane | "every sperm is sacred, every sperm is good, every sperm is needed, in your neighborhood!" |
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| 05:32.32 | Tekkub | sacred my ass |
| 05:32.35 | Tekkub | it's just goo |
| 05:32.42 | Tekkub | warm stickey goo |
| 05:32.47 | Duman | lol |
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| 05:34.46 | Recompense | But it's the goo of life! |
| 05:35.35 | Tekkub | so? |
| 05:37.27 | Recompense | So... umm... |
| 05:37.39 | Dewin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11057-ProgressionPre-Alpha.html wheee |
| 05:38.01 | Dewin | now I can sleep and awaken to a slew of bug reports |
| 05:40.26 | Neuro_Medivh | please tell me those colors are adjustable |
| 05:40.35 | Dewin | Not yet. But yes. |
| 05:40.49 | Neuro_Medivh | cause that magenta is... painful =) |
| 05:41.07 | Dewin | it looks more subdued at partial alpha, that's forced to full alpha for display purposes |
| 05:41.19 | Dewin | I actually stole the XP bar colors from bongos2_xp |
| 05:41.23 | Dewin | and the faction from FACTION_BAR_COLORS |
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| 05:44.14 | Dewin | the framework for customizing colors was built in from the start, I just haven't written the UI to do it yet |
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| 06:08.52 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/09/28/funny-pictures-he-taked-my-spot/ |
| 06:11.20 | Syzgyn | Dewin: Popup menus make baby jesus cry |
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| 06:13.33 | Dewin[zzz] | Syzgyn: Explain |
| 06:14.05 | Syzgyn | Make anything that doesnt have to absolutely be right there, ready to access at a moments notice, in the Config. |
| 06:14.36 | Dewin[zzz] | that will probably happen when I get around to writing the config ui :) |
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| 06:14.50 | Dewin[zzz] | though being able to add/show things on the fly is going to stay as menus |
| 06:15.14 | Syzgyn | I'd keep which reps you wanna watch as a menu |
| 06:15.38 | Syzgyn | Imo theres no need to be able to add/remove bars outside of the config |
| 06:16.48 | Dewin[zzz] | there's also no concept of a name for the bar so positioning them in the config ui is kind of hard |
| 06:17.14 | Dewin[zzz] | btw |
| 06:17.21 | Dewin[zzz] | they can also go side by side |
| 06:17.31 | Dewin[zzz] | just... not quite implemented yet. |
| 06:17.34 | Syzgyn | lol |
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| 06:17.59 | Syzgyn | Names are good things for visible entities to have, btw :P |
| 06:18.39 | Dewin[zzz] | well... how do you suppose naming them? |
| 06:18.44 | Corrodias | foolishness! |
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| 06:18.53 | Corrodias | bar1, bar2, bar3, etc |
| 06:18.55 | Dewin[zzz] | I don't keep a count of how many exist, so I can't just name them bar #1 ; |
| 06:19.06 | Dewin[zzz] | not to mention the mess if you delete them |
| 06:20.03 | Cide | if you can't name them, redesign? |
| 06:20.09 | Syzgyn | are you creating new bars whenever they're made, and not reusing old ones? |
| 06:21.01 | Syzgyn | If I delete the top bar, do the rest get shifted up, or is the top bar just 'deleted' and gone forever |
| 06:23.25 | Dewin[zzz] | It's gone forever |
| 06:23.36 | Dewin[zzz] | I was told the overhead of having unused frames is negligible |
| 06:23.44 | Dewin[zzz] | so I opted to not keep a cache of deleted frames for later reuse |
| 06:23.47 | Syzgyn | That doesnt mean you shouldnt reuse whenever possible :\ |
| 06:24.02 | Dewin[zzz] | Considering I don't think they'll be deleted that often |
| 06:24.05 | Dewin[zzz] | It seems negligible |
| 06:24.06 | Syzgyn | Granted |
| 06:24.22 | Syzgyn | But it makes configuring them from a UI more annoying to code :P |
| 06:24.36 | Syzgyn | You should atleast keep a list of active ones, methinks |
| 06:24.41 | Dewin[zzz] | There is a list |
| 06:24.45 | Dewin[zzz] | Just... it's not numbered |
| 06:25.02 | Dewin[zzz] | it's actually ProgressionXP.Main.bars[barobject] = true, along with some other things |
| 06:25.16 | Syzgyn | so #ProgressionXP.Main.bars = count |
| 06:25.18 | Dewin[zzz] | has some linked list characteristics kind of as a side effect >.> |
| 06:26.26 | Syzgyn | Names would still be a good idea, then you can atleast do BarName1.faction = whatever |
| 06:26.43 | Syzgyn | Who cares if they're not in order :P |
| 06:27.35 | Dewin[zzz] | anyways, I'm off to bed, for real |
| 06:27.46 | zenzio | I love this line: "We want Revenge to be the button you push first." |
| 06:28.24 | Syzgyn | Heh |
| 06:29.46 | Cide | uh, Syzgyn |
| 06:29.49 | Cide | >>> #{a=1, b=2, c=3} |
| 06:29.50 | Cide | Cide: 0 |
| 06:30.03 | Syzgyn | Hah, so it is |
| 06:30.04 | Cide | you can't use # for an associative table |
| 06:30.17 | Syzgyn | You could just loop through it then |
| 06:30.35 | Syzgyn | Still, non-reusable bars is kinda weird |
| 06:30.44 | Syzgyn | I almost wanna see how he's got it implemented |
| 06:32.09 | Cide | I don't |
| 06:32.12 | Cide | bad design is bad |
| 06:32.13 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 06:32.27 | Syzgyn | So why not help it be a not bad design |
| 06:32.38 | Cide | I have other stuff to do |
| 06:32.41 | Cide | and he quit |
| 06:33.01 | Syzgyn | Obviously not right now |
| 06:33.22 | Neuro_Medivh | no, dammit, RIGHT NOW |
| 06:35.57 | Syzgyn | ~whalenuke Neuro_Medivh |
| 06:35.58 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Neuro_Medivh with his mind powers. |
| 06:40.05 | Corrodias | sigh |
| 06:40.28 | Corrodias | food network is becoming one of my favorite networks because it is the least unpleasant of what's on much of the time |
| 06:42.48 | Neuro_Medivh | Good Eats is awesome |
| 06:43.01 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, Whalenuke is OP |
| 06:43.32 | Wobin | Good Eats is with whatsisname isn't it? |
| 06:43.36 | Syzgyn | Alton Brown |
| 06:43.38 | Wobin | yeah |
| 06:43.44 | Syzgyn | He went to my High school :P |
| 06:43.49 | Corrodias | i do like his entertaining style |
| 06:43.54 | Wobin | I enjoyed watching his episodes on youtube |
| 06:43.55 | Syzgyn | Lives right around me |
| 06:44.02 | Corrodias | go sex him up for me |
| 06:44.03 | Wobin | Do you go over for dinner? =) |
| 06:44.10 | Syzgyn | hah, no |
| 06:44.17 | Wobin | You totally should |
| 06:44.24 | Syzgyn | I dont know exactly where he lives |
| 06:44.27 | Syzgyn | that'd be kinda weird |
| 06:44.42 | Syzgyn | but I know its in the general area |
| 06:45.00 | Corrodias | now sweet potatoes, not my favorite |
| 06:45.13 | Corrodias | cajun spices, those i can get behind. woo! |
| 06:45.18 | Syzgyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alton_brown#Personal_life Marietta is the town over from mine. |
| 06:49.16 | Corrodias | i like how it calls him, "an American food personality", as if Alton Brown is a psychological classification of individual food items |
| 06:55.16 | Syzgyn | lol |
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| 07:01.29 | Corrodias | in fact, Good Eats is on right now |
| 07:01.31 | Corrodias | it's about oils |
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| 07:04.51 | Thunder_Child | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 07:07.21 | Neuro_Medivh | did anyone else get booted btw? |
| 07:07.29 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 07:09.03 | Thunder_Child | afk my ass |
| 07:09.52 | Corrodias | back it on up |
| 07:10.17 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 07:11.17 | Wobin | oh god |
| 07:11.25 | Wobin | I misread that first line in Alton's biography |
| 07:11.45 | Wobin | to "his daughter Zoey born of a basset hound mix named Mathilda" |
| 07:12.24 | Corrodias | lol! |
| 07:12.24 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 07:12.24 | Neuro_Medivh | Alton rocks... Good Eats is cooking for nerds |
| 07:13.23 | Neuro_Medivh | and it's so much better than all those other shows... he doesn't just give you some lame recipe, he actually tells you WHY you're doing what you're doing |
| 07:14.42 | Wobin | and what doing it does to the food |
| 07:16.05 | Corrodias | yay ^_^ |
| 07:20.40 | Corrodias | i hope he specifically covers peanut oil |
| 07:21.31 | Tekkub | mmmmmm.....nut oil.... |
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| 07:27.58 | Thunder_Child | coming from you Tekkub..... |
| 07:28.04 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 07:28.13 | Tekkub | gimmeh your nut oil |
| 07:28.35 | Thunder_Child | fresh or packaged? |
| 07:29.37 | Corrodias | fresh squeezed |
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| 07:29.43 | Tekkub | fresh is always best |
| 07:29.48 | Corrodias | chucklesnort |
| 07:30.06 | Thunder_Child | i must be warry of you at blizzcon |
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| 07:38.30 | cladhaire | Tekkub: pong? |
| 07:38.45 | Tekkub | oro? |
| 07:39.23 | cladhaire | you pinged me |
| 07:39.39 | Tekkub | that was many many hours ago |
| 07:39.45 | Tekkub | you can't save us now |
| 07:40.33 | cladhaire | alright |
| 07:41.50 | Tem | So |
| 07:41.52 | Tem | Core Hounds |
| 07:42.01 | Tem | is there more to the mechanic that I'm not remembering? |
| 07:42.16 | Tem | I kill them all within ~5 seconds of each other and they still reginite |
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| 07:42.45 | Tekkub | I thought they always did |
| 07:42.52 | Tekkub | the idea was to get away after they die |
| 07:43.28 | Corrodias | keep attacking |
| 07:43.32 | Corrodias | as i recall |
| 07:43.35 | Nargiddley | no other hounds in combat untill the corpses have faded ? |
| 07:43.46 | Corrodias | just keep pounding the group until it's good and over |
| 07:44.06 | Corrodias | that's what we did on our little jaunt into MC anyway |
| 07:45.11 | Tem | Corrodias, when was this? |
| 07:45.34 | Corrodias | many moons ago. over a year |
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| 07:46.10 | Corrodias | well, maybe not over a year. my timeline is messed up. was BC released in january 2007 or 2008? |
| 07:46.27 | Neuro_Medivh | 07 |
| 07:46.34 | Corrodias | okay. probably, then. |
| 07:47.04 | Corrodias | i remember because one of our hunters didn't have Misdirect trained, but she was one of the best raiders so it had to be pretty early on |
| 07:47.55 | Tem | it almost feels bugged |
| 07:47.55 | Tem | I'm beginning to lose interest on killing luci now :( |
| 07:48.00 | Tem | I wanted to kill mags because FUCK COREHOUNDS |
| 07:49.30 | nevcairiel | You need to keep doing some dmg when tehy are down, always was like that in MC days |
| 07:50.04 | Neuro_Medivh | you know, catching up on Season 2 of Heroes, I can see where the writers strike really screwed them over |
| 07:50.20 | Tem | nevcairiel, like now much damage? |
| 07:50.27 | Tem | my D&D only ticks for like 112 |
| 07:50.36 | nevcairiel | I dunno |
| 07:50.58 | Neuro_Medivh | wtf, are you soloing lucifron? |
| 07:51.16 | nevcairiel | on 80 that doesnt sound too hard |
| 07:56.30 | Tem | Neuro_Medivh, yes, I'm trying to |
| 07:56.33 | Tem | I did ony last night |
| 07:56.40 | Tem | so luci was the next logical step |
| 07:56.49 | Tem | but I can't kill the core hound pack |
| 07:56.53 | Tem | it's wiped me like 6 times now |
| 07:57.06 | Tem | and wipe recovery is SLLLLLOOOOWWWW |
| 07:58.10 | Neuro_Medivh | unholy spec? |
| 07:58.27 | Tem | 18/0/53 |
| 07:59.11 | Neuro_Medivh | best I can suggest is to knock em low in turn, then fire dnd, UB, pest, BB all at once |
| 07:59.23 | Neuro_Medivh | but I'm guessing you tried that already |
| 07:59.27 | Tem | all 6 times |
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| 08:00.57 | Tem | I've even tried to empower rune weapon to get more BBs in |
| 08:01.58 | Neuro_Medivh | have you tried just sneaking past? |
| 08:02.06 | Neuro_Medivh | or are you trying for mag? |
| 08:02.30 | Neuro_Medivh | without tranq shot, I seriously doubt you can do mag |
| 08:05.15 | Tem | you underestimate the serious amount of self healing I can do |
| 08:05.29 | Tem | I can't pull luci by this first group |
| 08:07.47 | Tem | okay, I give |
| 08:07.57 | Tem | anyone wanna help me kill this so I can try for luci? |
| 08:08.13 | Tem | preferably someone with an aoe class |
| 08:08.17 | Tem | *cough* Neuro |
| 08:08.18 | Tem | *cough* |
| 08:10.56 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, nah, I'm going to sleep in a few minutes |
| 08:11.29 | Neuro_Medivh | got distracted by a very disturbing video a friend of mine linked to me in an email |
| 08:13.50 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, live action furry porn? |
| 08:14.07 | Neuro_Medivh | not quite so bad |
| 08:14.34 | Neuro_Medivh | so, on Talk like a pirate day, I sent him: http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf |
| 08:16.18 | Tem | I hate you, Neuro_Medivh |
| 08:16.32 | Neuro_Medivh | I got a reply from him with the origin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLsJyfN0ICU |
| 08:16.46 | Neuro_Medivh | it's... so much worse |
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| 08:20.04 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHSYGPJcza8&feature=related is rather amusing after watching that |
| 08:20.34 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
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| 08:21.10 | Neuro_Medivh | sounds russian |
| 08:28.47 | Tem | damnit |
| 08:28.55 | Tem | gehennas is impossible for me as well |
| 08:29.04 | Tem | 75% healing debuff that I can't remove |
| 08:29.08 | Tem | 5 minute duration |
| 08:29.11 | Thunder_Child | ~cry moar Tem |
| 08:29.11 | purl | You want to cry moar Tem? I'll give you something to cry about. |
| 08:29.47 | wereHamster | Tem: are you doing MC? |
| 08:29.53 | Tem | I am |
| 08:29.58 | wereHamster | solo? |
| 08:30.01 | Tem | I am |
| 08:30.07 | Tem | so far I can only kill trash |
| 08:30.13 | Tem | I can't kill core hound packs |
| 08:30.23 | Tem | and I got a belt of might drop |
| 08:32.41 | wereHamster | so you didn't get any boss down yet? |
| 08:32.50 | Tem | I can't pull luci |
| 08:33.04 | Tem | I can't do Gehennas because of the debuff |
| 08:33.07 | wereHamster | what about garr? |
| 08:33.12 | Tem | trying to get to him now |
| 08:33.14 | Neuro_Medivh | the adds would rock him |
| 08:33.54 | zenzio | what class are you, Tem? |
| 08:33.58 | Tem | DK |
| 08:34.05 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry tem, but those encounters are designed for so many classes |
| 08:34.06 | wereHamster | lvl 80? |
| 08:34.10 | Tem | level 80 |
| 08:34.32 | Neuro_Medivh | I'd go help him... but it would take an Act of God to get me to willingly go back into MC |
| 08:34.34 | Tem | I think I could do luci if someone could kill these damn core hound packs for me |
| 08:35.15 | wereHamster | I can't even remember which on luci is |
| 08:35.26 | zenzio | the one with two adds, before the dog |
| 08:35.30 | Tem | actually, Neuro, the garr adds won't be too bad |
| 08:35.31 | Neuro_Medivh | first boss, off to the left |
| 08:35.33 | Tem | they're level 60 |
| 08:35.36 | Tem | so they can't hit me |
| 08:35.42 | Stanzilla | you could solo onyxia :P |
| 08:35.45 | Neuro_Medivh | he has |
| 08:35.50 | Stanzilla | oh ok :P |
| 08:36.15 | Tem | I did last night |
| 08:36.24 | Neuro_Medivh | the real question is, could he solo Attumen? |
| 08:36.37 | Stanzilla | maybe |
| 08:36.38 | Tem | probably |
| 08:36.38 | wereHamster | ah that one. Why do you want to kill the core hound packs? |
| 08:36.51 | Tem | after I give up here I'll go try attumen |
| 08:37.00 | Neuro_Medivh | Moroes is just too complicated, but Attumen shouldn't be |
| 08:37.17 | Tem | I can't pull luci without killing one pack |
| 08:38.10 | nevcairiel | I wanted to try solo-onyxia on my feral |
| 08:38.14 | Tem | I'm worried about taking too much damage on that, though |
| 08:39.01 | Neuro_Medivh | on which? |
| 08:40.45 | Tem | on attumen |
| 08:40.45 | Tem | I only have like 22k armor |
| 08:41.23 | Neuro_Medivh | Hmm, guess you'd have to pop Icy Fort when Attumen shows up, and just burn the shit out of Midnight |
| 08:42.08 | Neuro_Medivh | whenever new Blade Barrier goes in, tanking will be MUCH easier |
| 08:42.36 | Neuro_Medivh | not sure how much I like the rune strike change |
| 08:42.45 | nevcairiel | If a prot warrior can do it.. |
| 08:42.49 | Neuro_Medivh | then again, it was a minimal part of dps, so |
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| 08:48.40 | Tem | I don't even wanna think about lava packs |
| 08:49.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Tem, do DK glyphs seem rather weak to you, compared to other classes? |
| 08:49.18 | Tem | yes |
| 08:49.18 | Neuro_Medivh | the only one that seems good to me is Glyph of DS |
| 08:49.50 | Tem | bone armor is nice |
| 08:49.53 | Tem | IBF is nice |
| 08:50.03 | Neuro_Medivh | leveling up inscription, it seems like most classes just get base upgrades to their spells, whereas DKs get weird tradeoffs... |
| 08:50.06 | Tem | strangulate was nice before they nerfed it to uselessness |
| 08:50.25 | Tem | okay, pulling garr |
| 08:50.35 | Neuro_Medivh | gl! |
| 08:50.36 | Tem | had to kill a lot of trash in his room :( |
| 08:52.09 | Tem | damn |
| 08:52.14 | Tem | I lasted exactly 1 minute |
| 08:52.25 | Neuro_Medivh | the adds, or Garr? |
| 08:52.27 | Tem | poorly timed mitigation abilities |
| 08:52.38 | Tem | none if it was hitting me too hard |
| 08:52.44 | Tem | I just couldn't keep up |
| 08:52.49 | zenzio | what sort of gear, epic or regular? |
| 08:52.54 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, well, good luck next time, sleep for me! |
| 08:52.58 | Tem | regular |
| 08:53.10 | Tem | I could totally do this fight solo with some epic gear |
| 08:54.01 | Tem | hmm |
| 08:54.03 | Tem | that's unexpected |
| 08:54.08 | Tem | the adds did 80% of the damage |
| 08:54.42 | Tem | in that whole minute, garr only managed 8k damage to me |
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| 09:00.04 | Tem | GRR |
| 09:00.08 | Tem | I can't go try attumen |
| 09:00.13 | Tem | I don't have a key |
| 09:00.42 | Tem | so I can't open the door |
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| 10:39.15 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
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| 13:19.54 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 |
| 13:21.33 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, Lunessa woke up in a good mood! |
| 13:22.25 | Lunessa | Morticia Adams (the original not Angelica Houston) ... hawt. |
| 13:22.33 | Lunessa | Caramia! |
| 13:22.37 | krka | oh you meant that kind of select |
| 13:22.41 | krka | i thought you meant select, as in lua |
| 13:22.50 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno... Angelica did okay, if there had to be a modern one. |
| 13:23.16 | Lunessa | Yes, she did, but ... I'm a traditionalist. |
| 13:23.37 | Lopeppeppy | "But Debbie... pastels?" |
| 13:25.07 | Lopeppeppy | I would SWEAR that I edited this bloody photo yesterday. *sigh* |
| 13:33.02 | Lunessa | I love posts by people who want someone to update an AddOn for them. |
| 13:33.33 | Lopeppeppy | Plx fix badthing, thx! |
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| 13:53.40 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN guys. |
| 13:57.43 | Lunessa | Once more they will replenish themselves; cheat death again! |
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| 14:34.02 | Shirik|zZz | hm, whoops |
| 14:34.08 | Shirik|zZz | I forgot there's two components to a netsplit |
| 14:35.20 | Cide | the join? :P |
| 14:35.39 | Shirik|zZz | yes |
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| 14:41.18 | Shirik|zZz | !reload |
| 14:41.19 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 14:41.22 | Shirik|zZz | Cide can figure that one out |
| 14:41.26 | Shirik|zZz | I need to go to class |
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| 14:42.57 | Cide | I can figure what out:? :P |
| 14:43.02 | Cide | I'm heading out to work! |
| 14:43.49 | Lunessa | I broke our accounts database. |
| 14:45.03 | Josh_Borke | Shirik|zZz: you mispelled all |
| 14:47.02 | Cide | Lunessa: TRUNCATE DATABASE is the solution |
| 14:47.15 | Lunessa | Cide, ;drop tables; |
| 14:48.17 | zenzelezz | your database was starting to take up a lot of disk space, so I compressed it for you with md5sum |
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| 14:48.46 | Cide | I maed u a databass. but I eated it. |
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| 14:50.21 | Shirik|zZz | zenzelezz: md5 is very good compression ratio |
| 14:50.32 | Lunessa | Haha... I'm trying to login to our web-based took for managing it, but despite all logic it persists in giving me pages with no functions. Even the DBAs are confused. |
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| 14:50.53 | Lunessa | This is where I mention that I hate Oracle. |
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| 14:51.28 | zenzelezz | I didn't know Oracle used Tooks, I thought they stuck to Brandybucks |
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| 14:52.06 | Shirik|zZz | Well at least he's detecting it now |
| 14:52.20 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 14:52.28 | Shirik|zZz | rofl |
| 14:52.29 | Cide | way too slow imo |
| 14:52.31 | Shirik|zZz | he tried to lock #shiibot too |
| 14:52.34 | Shirik|zZz | yes it was too lsow |
| 14:52.37 | Shirik|zZz | slow and I know why |
| 14:52.47 | Shirik|zZz | NICK and QUIT don't tell you what channel |
| 14:52.54 | Shirik|zZz | so it adds to all channels but it can't lock on that one |
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| 14:53.04 | Shirik|zZz | I may have to start keeping a members list |
| 14:53.05 | Cide | why not? |
| 14:53.12 | Shirik|zZz | because it doesn't know what channel it came from |
| 14:53.21 | Cide | catch what channel each mask joined |
| 14:53.24 | Shirik|zZz | yeah |
| 14:53.26 | Shirik|zZz | that's what I need to do |
| 14:53.30 | Shirik|zZz | but not right now, I'll be late for class |
| 14:53.30 | Cide | and just iterate over those |
| 14:53.34 | Cide | weak |
| 14:53.37 | Cide | I'm late for pizza |
| 14:53.43 | Cide | bye! |
| 14:53.46 | Shirik|zZz | byes |
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| 16:07.47 | Lunessa | station. |
| 16:10.17 | Lopeppeppy | Heya. |
| 16:15.51 | Duman | yo |
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| 16:22.20 | Lopeppeppy | *huggle* |
| 16:22.27 | Lopeppeppy | Does your cable company have any ETA? |
| 16:24.55 | Lunessa | Negative. |
| 16:25.08 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. Well, you have power, it's a start |
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| 16:26.05 | Dewin | So I lie awake in bed this morning realized there was a major showstopper bug that I forgot to fix before (pre-)releasing my addon lol |
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| 16:31.10 | kneeki | Any chance of that FAQ for making the Addon Options built into the default UI? |
| 16:33.14 | Dewin | Asking me? |
| 16:33.28 | kneeki | Anyone -_- |
| 16:33.39 | kneeki | I cannot find any tutorials on how to do it |
| 16:33.45 | Dewin | oh. |
| 16:33.51 | Dewin | I'm not the one to ask |
| 16:34.18 | zenzelezz | well, upi |
| 16:34.22 | zenzelezz | blahg |
| 16:34.34 | zenzelezz | I lacks mad keybored skeels |
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| 16:35.00 | Lunessa | kneeki: It's in the 2.4 changes thread, written by zootfizzle |
| 16:35.07 | kneeki | woo! |
| 16:35.13 | Dewin | Didn't Blizzard break something about it in one of the PTR builds though? |
| 16:35.17 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: needs more bejeweled |
| 16:35.22 | Dewin | So the docs might be slightly wrong |
| 16:35.28 | Lunessa | One of us slackers really needs to copy it into the wiki |
| 16:35.43 | Lunessa | MOAR! |
| 16:35.47 | Dewin | Did I hear you volunteering Lunessa? |
| 16:35.52 | Lunessa | No. |
| 16:36.09 | Lunessa | I'd have to remember my damned wikkia login. |
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| 16:37.14 | Lunessa | *sigh* Or make a new one. |
| 16:37.18 | Dewin | heh |
| 16:37.27 | Dewin | that's alright, my wikia login was imported from ffxiclopedia >.> |
| 16:38.04 | Lunessa | Mmm... and I think I registered for the wiki as Lothay, like I did for the MMOI sites. |
| 16:43.06 | kneeki | booo |
| 16:43.40 | kneeki | Lunessa: The only thing I can find by Zootfizzle mentioning it is http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&postId=43106843945&sid=1#156 and there are no links, nor any info showing me how to do it |
| 16:44.39 | Anaral | Any Firefox 3 users in here know how to get the quicklinks list (the dropdown from the address bar) to work like the old style, instead of whatever FF3 is doing? |
| 16:45.33 | Dewin | you mean you want to disable the awesomebar? |
| 16:45.52 | Dewin | I actually like it, takes getting used too though. |
| 16:46.02 | Dewin | s/oo/o |
| 16:46.39 | Anaral | Well I've been using it for over a month trying to get used to it, and I am just not feeling the 'awesomeness'. |
| 16:46.42 | kneeki | Found it! |
| 16:46.44 | kneeki | :D |
| 16:46.52 | Dewin | Link me Kneeki? I'm going to want that soon myself |
| 16:47.10 | kneeki | Dewin: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1&pageNo=15#294 |
| 16:47.12 | kneeki | :) |
| 16:47.19 | Dewin | Anaral: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/06/17/dont-think-the-firefox-3-awesome-bar-is-awesome-heres-how-t/ |
| 16:47.25 | Dewin | first google result for 'disable awesome bar' :) |
| 16:47.34 | Lunessa | See? I told you it was there. |
| 16:47.57 | Dewin | ty |
| 16:48.00 | Dewin | boomkarked :) |
| 16:48.02 | Anaral | Dewin: thank you. |
| 16:48.05 | kamdis | ScytheBlade1: NO, you foul tempter! |
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| 16:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: You practice what you prech. Great. /Now install the addon./ |
| 16:49.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooner or later you'll fold |
| 16:49.19 | kamdis | Meh. I already have it on my iPhone. |
| 16:49.24 | Lunessa | ZOMG. Bacon-wrapped crack. A guildee mentioned he installed it... and spent over an hour just standing around in IF. |
| 16:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | PROOF THAT YOU SHALL FOLD |
| 16:49.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: the Penny Arcade people called it "Chicken Cordon Meth" |
| 16:49.49 | kamdis | not if I have the phone with me while I'm playing. :P |
| 16:50.03 | Lunessa | Yes. Because Jerry has a way with words. |
| 16:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 16:50.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed he does |
| 16:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I posted a thread about it on my guild forums after my GM had no idea what I was talking about |
| 16:50.42 | kamdis | Lunessa, I believe we decided it was crack sprinkled bacon-wrapped crack. |
| 16:50.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It snowballed from there, I fully expect that half the raid will be mostly afk during boss fights now |
| 16:50.55 | kamdis | And I'm NOT folding. |
| 16:51.19 | kamdis | I am a perfect and unique snowflake! |
| 16:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | If you've got it on your iphone you're no better off. Sooner or later the convinence will get to you. |
| 16:51.44 | Duman | ? what are we talking about here? :) |
| 16:51.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean, it pops up when you die. When you get on a flight path. It goes away when you enter combat. |
| 16:52.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It's perfect. |
| 16:52.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: Bejeweled |
| 16:52.12 | Duman | in-game?! |
| 16:52.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://popcap.com/promos/wow/ |
| 16:52.22 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10539069330&sid=2000 <- |
| 16:52.23 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 16:52.26 | Fisker- | It's a shame it didn't happen |
| 16:52.29 | Fisker- | he was US after all |
| 16:52.30 | Dewin | What is the 'I don't have any addons installed' way to reload UI? |
| 16:52.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: /console reloadui |
| 16:52.41 | Duman | oh, my |
| 16:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: "Chicken Cordon Meth" |
| 16:53.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It's shiny. It's fast. It's awesome. |
| 16:53.28 | Duman | this is rad |
| 16:53.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Most of that 2MB is a massive number of graphics to make it shiny |
| 16:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It's *really* shiny and well animated |
| 16:54.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Whic is also why kamdis will fold eventually. |
| 16:54.32 | ScytheBlade1 | *Which |
| 16:55.29 | Dewin | ty. I'm so used to /reload, /reloadui and /rl existing as commands and I needed to post a bug workaround that may not have them ;) |
| 16:55.49 | kamdis | Sbo, you are hilarious. |
| 16:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: "foul tempter" indeed |
| 16:57.39 | Anaral | Duman it's not listing the urls I type in, in the list... That's frustrating. |
| 16:58.54 | Duman | que? |
| 16:59.07 | Duman | oh, you meant dewin |
| 17:00.16 | Anaral | Sorry, yes. My appologies. |
| 17:00.33 | Duman | no worries :) |
| 17:05.14 | Dewin | maybe google a different answer then ;) |
| 17:05.22 | Dewin | I have no experience with turning it off, I like it on |
| 17:05.34 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 17:06.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, oh wow. |
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| 17:06.27 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, it's not all that rare to be "wow" about. |
| 17:06.40 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532268981&sid=1 <-arrogant! |
| 17:06.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: apparently not |
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| 17:08.10 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker-, Maaven is just doing the job. It's not arrogant to serve notice that bans can and will be handed out. |
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| 17:08.28 | Duman | glad to see him winding up the ban hammer |
| 17:08.37 | Fisker- | You didn't get my obvious trolling Lopeppeppy >:3 |
| 17:08.46 | Fisker- | "Bans Start Today" |
| 17:08.57 | Shirik | I didn't do it |
| 17:09.01 | Lopeppeppy | :P Must remember not to feed Fisker-. |
| 17:09.07 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik dear... what are you declaiming? |
| 17:09.21 | Fisker- | Well if noone made topics that lead to bans he/she would be lying :D |
| 17:09.26 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 17:09.43 | Fisker- | Of course you may argue that since it's the wow forums... |
| 17:11.25 | Dashkal | How can one _lie_ about the future? |
| 17:11.38 | Shirik | Ask Ms. Cleo |
| 17:12.02 | Shirik | ok I have to change rooms |
| 17:12.05 | Shirik | I'll be back! |
| 17:16.47 | Dashkal | Oh sweet, there's a non-season after 3.0 in terms of arena. http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10532279197-updated-arena-changes.html |
| 17:17.37 | Dashkal | So you get your end-of-season awards come 3.0, then without bothering to wipe you just continue merrily along until nov 13th. |
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| 17:22.54 | Fisker- | hah! |
| 17:22.59 | Fisker- | Cairenn|afk was technically incorrect |
| 17:23.10 | Fisker- | 3.0 can't come out october 14th |
| 17:24.10 | Dashkal | They don't need to give two weeks notice on this 'season change' since there's no arena reset :p |
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| 17:26.41 | Fisker- | 2 weeks notice is in regards to the titles as well |
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| 17:28.34 | Lopeppeppy | I seem to remember 2 weeks last time as well |
| 17:31.13 | Dashkal | I'm still trying to find out the source of the guy in my guild claiming they already said the notice on 3.0 would be one week. |
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| 17:37.28 | Jelly-School | ~hug Peppy |
| 17:38.09 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-dear! |
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| 17:39.09 | Jelly-School | I has a runny nose. :( |
| 17:39.18 | Jelly-School | Kind of annoying in a quiet classroom to have the sniffles. |
| 17:40.11 | Lopeppeppy | Eat more dayquil |
| 17:40.23 | Jelly-School | I'd much rather have Nyquil. :P |
| 17:40.30 | Jelly-School | By the way, KAMDIS PING! |
| 17:41.40 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: Any ideas of a clearer FAQ/Tutorial on that guide by Zootfizzle? He didn't go over creating any contents of the frames and so forth, just the items in the list on the left |
| 17:42.45 | Dashkal | So here's a ponder question... given that the beta client can access the PTR, will it be able to access live post 3.0? Maybe with a realmlist change? |
| 17:43.28 | Duman | hah, that bejeweled addon is mad obfuscated |
| 17:43.29 | Duman | that's awesome |
| 17:43.45 | Jelly-School | it's hackin mah password! |
| 17:43.59 | Duman | clearly! |
| 17:44.29 | Lunessa | Dashkal: I bet they kill it via versioning. |
| 17:44.52 | Dashkal | Lunessa: hrm, entirely possible. I figured it would work until the moment the beta patched again |
| 17:45.16 | Lopeppeppy | kneeki dear, you're asking the wrong Sprocket. Zoot does the tech stuff, I bake the cookies! (As in, I'm a customer service type of dinosaur, not a programmer. Can't even understand the FAQ!) |
| 17:45.34 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: Ahh okay. Thanks! |
| 17:46.01 | Lunessa | kneeki: You would build that information the same way you would build your own options settings. |
| 17:46.17 | Jelly-School | Peppy bakes excellent cookies though. |
| 17:46.31 | kneeki | Lunessa: I think I just figured that out... I thought that there would be a different method |
| 17:47.53 | Lunessa | Good ol' xml. :) |
| 17:48.18 | kneeki | Lunessa: I do most all of my frame creation in Lua |
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| 17:48.28 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 17:48.41 | kneeki | It's a shame I'm such a bad programmer |
| 17:48.45 | kneeki | Ah well... |
| 17:48.54 | Jelly-School | Is Cog of any form around? |
| 17:50.01 | Lopeppeppy | I see him as "away", Jelly |
| 17:50.15 | Jelly-School | Damn. |
| 17:50.21 | Jelly-School | I need a civil lawyer! lol |
| 17:50.29 | Jelly-School | I has a question! |
| 17:51.01 | Lunessa | ok, I go to lunch now, and to look at apartment. |
| 17:51.24 | Jelly-School | Lunessa moving? Lunessa move closer to Jelly. |
| 17:51.32 | Jelly-School | Jelly needs a drinking buddy. |
| 17:51.40 | Jelly-School | ...especially if Jelly gets sued. :P |
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| 17:51.46 | Lunessa | Moving closer to work and away from wreckage of ike |
| 17:51.58 | Lunessa | back in a while |
| 17:52.12 | Jelly-School | Take care! |
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| 17:57.29 | Dewin | Is UIParent:GetWidth() the 'correct' way to determine the current screen resolution? |
| 17:58.04 | Dewin | Well, more specifically, I want to save positioning information as a percentage so that my addon doesn't position itself offscreen if you change to a lower resolution. |
| 18:03.56 | Nom- | I've been so slack... finally updated my addon, and it turns out it required just a one-line change |
| 18:03.59 | Nom- | *sigh* |
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| 18:04.29 | Nom- | That's good, I guess, but I thought there were some more substantial changes required, which is why I'd put it off so long :P |
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| 18:07.22 | Jelly-School | lol |
| 18:07.52 | Dewin | What addon? |
| 18:08.31 | Nom- | CalendarExport ... along with a java app it lets you convert the ingame calendar to iCalendar format |
| 18:08.56 | Nom- | I'll be using it to sync calendar to my phone :) |
| 18:09.47 | Dewin | Interesting |
| 18:10.12 | Dewin | I might use that if SASU ever starts putting raids on the ingame calendar |
| 18:10.19 | Dewin | However, the current calendar functions more or less make it impossible |
| 18:10.59 | Nom- | seems pretty good to me |
| 18:11.10 | Dewin | There's no way I've seen to do open signups |
| 18:11.20 | Dewin | just invite only |
| 18:11.51 | Dewin | My last idea was to make it possible to flag an entry as 'open signups' and then be able to shift-click link it |
| 18:12.02 | Dewin | then other people could click it and choose whether to sign up |
| 18:12.15 | Dewin | and then the event organizer(s) can approve/reject individual signups |
| 18:12.19 | Nom- | there is |
| 18:12.23 | Nom- | i saw it... sec |
| 18:12.25 | Dewin | There IS? |
| 18:12.39 | Dewin | Maybe Blizz took my calendar suggestions thread into account before they deleted it then ;) |
| 18:13.08 | Nom- | CALENDAR_INVITESTATUS_INVITED, CALENDAR_INVITESTATUS_ACCEPTED, CALENDAR_INVITESTATUS_DECLINED, CALENDAR_INVITESTATUS_CONFIRMED, CALENDAR_INVITESTATUS_OUT, CALENDAR_INVITESTATUS_STANDBY |
| 18:13.14 | Nom- | That's been there a long time mate |
| 18:13.20 | Nom- | Since the very first calendar API launch |
| 18:13.35 | Nom- | I think it's a function which is only available to guild leaders or something like that |
| 18:13.52 | Dewin | Which totally defeats the purpose for what I wanted |
| 18:14.08 | Dewin | I want to be able to create open signup events that are *not* guild affiliated |
| 18:14.23 | Nom- | Oh... yeah... that's kind of hard to do |
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| 18:14.36 | Nom- | You can create guild events... if you're talking outside of guild, then you have to invite them by nae |
| 18:14.39 | Nom- | *name |
| 18:14.41 | Dewin | The simplest way I could think of is to be able to shift-click link a calendar entry |
| 18:14.55 | Dewin | and then someone could click it and it'd add it to their calendar + give them the option to sign up |
| 18:15.10 | Nom- | Yeah, it's not really designed for inter-guild signups... it's made for guild & personal |
| 18:15.15 | Dewin | Our server has an alliance of guilds that all run open raid signups |
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| 18:15.46 | Dewin | Basically the premise is you're in an endgame guild but your core roster is only 15 people so you have a select outside group (Swords and Spells United aka SASU) you open signups for |
| 18:16.03 | Dewin | and people get SASU membership either by being in an affiliated guild or being sponsored as a free agent |
| 18:16.23 | Nom- | Fair enough |
| 18:16.44 | Nom- | Since moving to Oceanic realms, I've only been in a guild which has more than enough people to fill a riad |
| 18:16.47 | Nom- | *raid |
| 18:16.59 | Nom- | I'm so looking forward to raiding as retribution though... I hope they don't kill ret |
| 18:17.30 | Nom- | They've finally got it where I wish it was when BC came out |
| 18:17.41 | Dewin | Judging from the amount of posts I've seen alone, adjusted for the fact that everyone likes to whine when they suddenly can't faceroll dead a ret paladin anymore. |
| 18:17.42 | Nom- | A viable DPS class... in fact i'd go so far as to say they're desired |
| 18:17.54 | Dewin | I'd say they might need a *slight* downtweak, but nothing substantial |
| 18:18.02 | Nom- | Nah... they've done it all |
| 18:18.15 | Nom- | To a skilled arena team, i still get wtfpwned |
| 18:18.17 | Dewin | The crazy thing is a 5 paladin group can now instance. |
| 18:18.27 | Nom- | But it's no longer a 5 second death... i can put up a fight |
| 18:18.47 | Dewin | heh |
| 18:18.57 | Dewin | My wife did 5v5 arena for... one weekend |
| 18:19.05 | Dewin | Went up against a group called "Don't Die Dave" |
| 18:19.13 | Dewin | We found out Dave was the RL name of their healer |
| 18:19.34 | Dewin | (resto druid) |
| 18:19.44 | Nom- | heh |
| 18:20.01 | Nom- | My arena experience didn't last very long... I think I ended up with 1 piece of arena gear |
| 18:20.11 | Nom- | I got fed up with being wtfpwned all the time |
| 18:20.19 | Dewin | Well, from what I've heard |
| 18:20.24 | Dewin | The first few times suck |
| 18:20.41 | Dewin | because the system has to keep ranking you down enough for you to get to fight people who suck as bad as you do. |
| 18:20.44 | Nom- | I've done some 2v2 on beta... it's fun again |
| 18:21.12 | Nom- | Even in a 2v1 i've come close to killing one player (burning every cooldown of course) |
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| 18:21.38 | Nom- | In the BC world, that would have been over before I got into melee range |
| 18:22.04 | Dewin | heh |
| 18:22.16 | Dewin | I found the 'I suck at PVP' video on Curse both highly entertaining and informative |
| 18:28.12 | kneeki | Dewin: Link? |
| 18:29.39 | kneeki | If I use 'table = { something = { "some stuff here" }, }' why is it 'table.something' is blank? |
| 18:30.04 | kneeki | At least, when I'm using SetText(table.something) |
| 18:30.23 | kneeki | if I dump the contents, it returns 'some stuff here' |
| 18:31.28 | alestane | Because you're setting text to a table, rather than a string? |
| 18:31.34 | kneeki | oh |
| 18:31.36 | alestane | What about 'table = { something = "some stuff here" }'? |
| 18:32.00 | kneeki | So 'SetText(tostring(table.something)) |
| 18:32.46 | kneeki | well, that worked, the value changed like it should |
| 18:32.54 | kneeki | but it changed to 'table: 17F37C90' |
| 18:32.56 | kneeki | lol |
| 18:33.33 | kneeki | I guess I shouldn't use a table then |
| 18:33.37 | alestane | I think you want :SetText(t.something[1]), :SetText(unpack(t.something)) or :SetText(table.concat(t.something, "")) |
| 18:34.28 | kneeki | unpack() worked like a charm |
| 18:34.44 | kneeki | What exactly does that do? Other than fix my problem. =p |
| 18:36.15 | alestane | Well, SetText wants a string. If you need to store a table for some reason, you just need to make sure you're getting the string out of the table. |
| 18:36.22 | Dewin | lua>t = {"a", "b", "c", "d"}; a, b, c, d = unpack(t); print(c); |
| 18:36.23 | lua_bot | Dewin: c |
| 18:36.27 | Dewin | that's what unpack does. |
| 18:36.35 | kneeki | oohhh |
| 18:36.40 | kneeki | =) |
| 18:36.44 | kneeki | Thanks much! |
| 18:37.15 | Dewin | but really, I don't think you want a { b = { "c" } } unless you plan on adding more entries to b later :) |
| 18:38.43 | kneeki | I'm using the table as an easy way to store my locale |
| 18:39.20 | Dewin | that's something else I need to make in my addon >.> |
| 18:39.21 | alestane | It returns the elements of an array table as separate values. |
| 18:39.21 | alestane | {"some stuff here"} is the same as {[1] = "some stuff here"} |
| 18:39.46 | kneeki | Yeah |
| 18:41.04 | Dewin | so you're going to use {"Some stuff here", "Some stuff here in spanish"} at some point? |
| 18:41.37 | kneeki | Maybe |
| 18:41.54 | kneeki | Mainly its just to help with ease of coding, and it's one of the best ways I know how |
| 18:42.39 | Dewin | I'd suggest having table.enUS.message1 = "...", etc, so you can just set some variable to table.enUS rather than having to do messages[SomeMessageId][currentlocale] |
| 18:42.46 | Dewin | or something like that |
| 18:43.04 | kneeki | hmm |
| 18:44.05 | Dewin | it also means you can easily create a lua file for each locale so someone who wants to add a new locale for your addon has a good starting point :) |
| 18:45.14 | Josh_Borke | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Localize_an_addon_easily |
| 18:46.02 | Dewin | ty! |
| 18:46.14 | Josh_Borke | sadly, i wrote that page |
| 18:46.19 | Josh_Borke | and it hasn't been changed much since |
| 18:47.47 | cog|away | damn... |
| 18:47.53 | Dewin | I'll have to dig around for standard localizations |
| 18:48.02 | cogwheel | I finished notalwaysright :( |
| 18:48.07 | Dewin | since... about 90% of mine have to be translated by the standard UI anyways. |
| 18:48.12 | Dewin | What's notalwaysright? |
| 18:48.18 | cogwheel | notalwaysright.com |
| 18:48.32 | Dewin | oh, you read all of them? |
| 18:48.38 | cogwheel | yes >< |
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| 18:56.00 | Nom- | zomg 3am |
| 18:56.01 | Nom- | zzz time |
| 18:56.04 | Nom- | cyas all |
| 18:58.48 | Industrial | "hey man can you help me change this light bulb?" "are you sure there's enough of us?" |
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| 19:09.14 | ShaneSveller | p3lim|afk: ping |
| 19:12.44 | kneeki | Hmmm.... what would I call to open the interface options window addon tab and a specific addon? |
| 19:13.01 | kneeki | Say, /min3 would launch that window, with my addon already highlighted |
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| 19:14.45 | NightHawkTheSane | InterfaceOptions_OpenToCategory(frame) |
| 19:14.51 | kneeki | Thanks! |
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| 19:37.17 | NightHawkTheSane | HAH! figured out why nQuestLog was munging the UIErrorsFrame |
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| 19:38.53 | hipjipp | Anyone awake in here? and have time to help me do stuff more cleverly :P |
| 19:40.47 | cogwheel | not me! |
| 19:40.56 | Shirik | ~asktoask |
| 19:40.56 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 19:41.00 | cogwheel | i'm both asleep and braindead |
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| 19:43.21 | hipjipp | any way to redo the update function (i just named it update, but havn't gotten around to it yet.. :P) and help me add tabs? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97051 |
| 19:43.39 | Dashkal | cogwheel: both? I'm jealous. Only braindead. |
| 19:43.42 | cogwheel | wewt... i've got the highest score of the most recent 6 entries on qdb >< |
| 19:43.55 | hipjipp | hehe |
| 19:45.12 | cogwheel | hipjipp: style curiosity: why do you do local foo = function(self) instead of local function foo(self) ? |
| 19:46.04 | hipjipp | cogwheel: every time i've tried local function foo(self) it fails, even if the function is empty or contains a simple AddMessage.. =/ |
| 19:46.27 | cogwheel | that is an incorrect statement. you must've done something else wrong at the same time |
| 19:47.07 | hipjipp | probably, but i'll redo most of it later, as of now, the functions are haste style.. :P |
| 19:47.24 | haste | ha? |
| 19:48.20 | ShaneSveller | haste: can I bug you about embedding oUF 1.2 a bit, please? |
| 19:48.29 | hipjipp | haste: i'm trying to (re)create the talent frame in a simple style like butsu or oTaxi.. =) |
| 19:48.29 | haste | go on |
| 19:49.43 | haste | ShaneSveller: playing aq2 however, so responses might be slow :p |
| 19:50.00 | ShaneSveller | haste: I have a clone of oUF master branch in my addon via the merge subtree technique, (and i've also tried just cloning it into a subdir and rm -rf oUF/.git/) but despite having oUF\oUF.xml in my toc, the named global in my toc (X-oUF) isn't being set |
| 19:50.09 | ShaneSveller | haste: so i'm getting nil errors in my layout code |
| 19:50.42 | Esine | what was that gear in wotlk called that's supposed to scale down with level? |
| 19:50.52 | haste | ShaneSveller: and no error? |
| 19:50.57 | ShaneSveller | haste: i've added a _G["MyGlobalFromTOC"] = oUF at the end of ouf.lua and that also doesn't seem to work |
| 19:51.17 | ShaneSveller | haste: nothing from the assert at the head of ouf.lua, if that's what you mean |
| 19:51.21 | haste | ShaneSveller: that last thing won't work |
| 19:51.36 | haste | ShaneSveller: you should get an initial error depending on what you do wrong |
| 19:52.03 | ShaneSveller | haste: nope, no error besides my own layout code complaining about "local oUF" being nil |
| 19:52.05 | haste | and please don't release master snapshots |
| 19:52.19 | ShaneSveller | ok, i'll change it to the 1.2 tag |
| 19:52.21 | haste | well, do you fetch the correct gloabl in your layout? |
| 19:52.38 | hipjipp | cogwheel: anything? or do you really have the dumb tonight? :P |
| 19:52.42 | sb | hipjipp: text/list-based talent frage? :o |
| 19:52.46 | sb | frame... |
| 19:52.54 | ShaneSveller | haste: yes, I've tried reassigning local oUF to the X-oUF value, or just changing all instances of oUF to that variable |
| 19:52.58 | hipjipp | sb: yes.. atleast trying =) |
| 19:53.08 | hipjipp | sb: not sure if it will work though.. nice theory.. :P |
| 19:53.29 | sb | mh no idea |
| 19:53.51 | haste | ShaneSveller: take a look at how tekkub does it, your doing something wrong, but it sounds like you do what you should |
| 19:53.52 | sb | dependencies could be a problem... |
| 19:54.16 | sb | because you have linked talents and the tier/minimum-talentpoint dependency |
| 19:54.24 | ShaneSveller | haste: I initially c/p'ed the relevant stuff straight from tekkub |
| 19:54.56 | hipjipp | sb: what do you mean? i'm feeling dumb.. :P |
| 19:55.07 | haste | ShaneSveller: you might be hitting a limit on the path length, but that _will_ pop an error before your layout |
| 19:55.31 | haste | might be that your error add-on is loaded too late also |
| 19:55.46 | ShaneSveller | hrm |
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| 19:56.57 | haste | if your global isn't set, then that's probably the issue |
| 19:57.31 | ShaneSveller | i know it isn't being set, i'll have to poke at shortening the dirs |
| 19:57.36 | ShaneSveller | haste: thanks |
| 20:01.21 | hipjipp | any way to redo the update function (i just named it update, but havn't gotten around to it yet.. :P) and help me add tabs? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97051 (repost) |
| 20:01.29 | cogwheel | hipjipp: i have the dumb... and am at work... I think there's a cause and effect relationship somewhere in that... |
| 20:01.54 | hipjipp | cogwheel: hehe.. no worries... =) |
| 20:02.25 | ShaneSveller | haste: got it now, I think shaving off the _embed might've made the difference, thanks again |
| 20:03.22 | haste | ShaneSveller: oUF uses the debugstack to figure out what addon it should fetch the global name from, so it can easily hit the limit |
| 20:03.45 | ShaneSveller | haste: gotcha |
| 20:06.04 | Thunder_Child | ~slap ckknight |
| 20:06.08 | Thunder_Child | ffs |
| 20:06.09 | kamdis | cogwheel: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1137/530142309_71f326bac3.jpg?v=0 |
| 20:06.15 | ckknight | stop it, Thunder_Child |
| 20:06.32 | Thunder_Child | i want to find out wth is wrong with purl |
| 20:06.34 | cogwheel | kamdis: exactly :) |
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| 20:09.50 | hipjipp | haste: do you have an idea about how i can re-do the update function and possibly add tabs? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97051 |
| 20:12.05 | haste | not to sound like a complete ass but.. your addon, your issue :) |
| 20:13.06 | hipjipp | sure, np... just wondering if you had the mercy for me.. :P |
| 20:13.13 | hipjipp | ah well... night people! |
| 20:14.10 | Lunessa | kamdis: That's me. |
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| 20:15.51 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 20:16.28 | Lunessa | I found a new apt. |
| 20:18.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 20:19.06 | alestane | That's a good thing, right? |
| 20:19.18 | Lunessa | Yes. It's a very good thing. |
| 20:20.53 | alestane | I take it the old one didn't weather the weather very well? |
| 20:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: poke |
| 20:22.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: never mind, java sucks, that is all |
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| 20:23.29 | Lunessa | It did ok, but I'm sick already of boiling my water to brush my teeth, having no internet, and living in a gutted building under a strict curfew. And knowing that they're going to have to rip my floors up to repair water damage soon. |
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| 20:30.25 | Maldivia | hehe - apparently someone at MMO-champs forgot about encoding html-entities on their blue tracker :) |
| 20:31.33 | End | well, at least it works, cardplace is just plain broken :( |
| 20:31.40 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 20:32.00 | Maldivia | but http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/10529929310-button-object.html looks kind of funny with the browser trying to parse the <Button> tags :) |
| 20:32.36 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 20:33.23 | Maldivia | hmm... and when they fix it, someone should probably tell them that tags in xhtml are in lower case |
| 20:35.57 | End | lol |
| 20:37.15 | Maldivia | ohh well, made a post on their forums now |
| 20:38.26 | Dewin | Maldivia: Says who? |
| 20:38.29 | Dewin | err |
| 20:38.32 | Dewin | nvm, xhtml, not xml :) |
| 20:39.05 | Maldivia | Dewin: says w3c :) |
| 20:39.15 | Dewin | I'm aware |
| 20:39.19 | Dewin | hence then vm |
| 20:39.20 | Dewin | nvm* |
| 20:39.22 | Maldivia | :) |
| 20:40.16 | Dewin | Anybody here use notepad++ to edit their addons? |
| 20:40.21 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 20:40.36 | Dewin | Any tricks to get a fast way to syntax check? |
| 20:41.00 | kneeki | Dewin: I use Notepad++ |
| 20:41.03 | Maldivia | make a run command with the command for lua |
| 20:41.16 | kneeki | And no I dont |
| 20:43.53 | Dewin | hmm NppExec looks promising |
| 20:44.38 | smcn | woot perfect timing, smelled a world server crash and zoned into gundrak just in time |
| 20:44.44 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 20:46.31 | kd3 | ow |
| 20:46.34 | kd3 | I think I'd go insane |
| 20:47.10 | kneeki | How do I go about making a check button look all greyed out? Like it's disabled I mean |
| 20:47.19 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly|Ghost (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 20:47.22 | kneeki | Or, is disabled rather |
| 20:48.31 | Lunessa | kd3: I'm dying. DYING I SAY! |
| 20:48.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: troll more forums (or convince kamdis to install Bejeweled. That'll give you hours of entertainment) |
| 20:49.58 | p3lim|afk | ShaneSveller: pong |
| 20:50.02 | Dewin | ahh... that's nice |
| 20:50.15 | kamdis | No one shall have the power to convince me to get anywhere near that EVIL. |
| 20:50.17 | kamdis | ;-) |
| 20:50.23 | Dewin | path\to\lua.exe $(FULL_CURRENT_PATH) using nppExec |
| 20:50.28 | ShaneSveller | p3lim|afk: false alarm, was looking for help embedding oUF =) |
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| 20:50.50 | Dewin | if only it had a 'lint' option |
| 20:50.53 | Sixen | Rofl, did Maaven make his own "Finding stickies" image!? |
| 20:51.03 | Dewin | link? |
| 20:51.08 | Maldivia | Dewin: you'd probably just want luac5.1.exe -p "$(FULL_CURRENT_PATH)" |
| 20:51.10 | Sixen | http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shoopdawoop01xx6.jpg |
| 20:51.22 | Maldivia | Dewin: unless you actually want to try to run it? |
| 20:51.25 | |Jelly| | It's not evil! It's awesome! I have a great shot somewhere of me tanking Nightbane the other night while playing! |
| 20:51.43 | Sixen | Is that not loading for you? |
| 20:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | not loading for me |
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| 20:52.08 | kamdis | nor for me |
| 20:52.23 | Dewin | Aha, that's what I was looking for, thanks |
| 20:52.31 | Lunessa | kamdis: Not even for a Scooby Snack? |
| 20:52.39 | Sixen | hmm k |
| 20:52.41 | Sixen | I'll let him know |
| 20:52.52 | |Jelly| | imageshack.us <-- through my intense and exhaustive research, I believe I have found the problem. |
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| 20:52.55 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: pong |
| 20:53.05 | Dewin | Now I need to find a way to make notepad++ save the file first ;) |
| 20:53.08 | |Jelly| | cogwheel: I eated Kamdis' mind. <3 |
| 20:53.15 | cogwheel | wewt! tasty |
| 20:53.21 | Sixen | ~hug cogwheel |
| 20:53.26 | Sixen | onoez |
| 20:53.36 | Sixen | someone make a hug command |
| 20:53.38 | kamdis | Lunessa, NO! |
| 20:53.43 | cogwheel | purl: die |
| 20:53.43 | purl | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 20:53.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: ~hug |
| 20:53.51 | Lunessa | kamdis: TWO Scooby Snacks? |
| 20:53.54 | Sixen | ~hug |
| 20:53.54 | purl | ACTION hugs sixen |
| 20:53.57 | Sixen | doh |
| 20:54.00 | Sixen | But I need to hug someone else. |
| 20:54.10 | cogwheel | ~hug Sixen |
| 20:54.19 | |Jelly| | ~hug purl |
| 20:54.25 | Sixen | lol |
| 20:54.29 | Thunder_Child | why do these things keep getting wiped |
| 20:54.31 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 20:54.48 | NightHawkTheSane | someone needs to secretly install bejeweled on kamdis' machine. *nod* |
| 20:54.50 | kd3 | har. the devs are having fun with quest names |
| 20:54.57 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Icecrown_quests#Skybreaker |
| 20:55.01 | |Jelly| | Agreed. |
| 20:55.13 | |Jelly| | Hey Kam. Wanna download my new compilation? ;) |
| 20:55.37 | Maldivia | kd3: what about the Bear Back quests? |
| 20:55.58 | kamdis | |Jelly| not if it has the addon that shall not be named in it. Otherwise, okay. |
| 20:56.16 | Lunessa | kd3: That quest annoys me. The guy wouldn't send me to the boat, and then the server crashed. And .. now wtf do I do?! |
| 20:56.18 | |Jelly| | Are you keen with the name "Bedazzled" ? :P |
| 20:56.26 | kamdis | rofl |
| 20:58.11 | |Jelly| | http://i37.tinypic.com/1ze8tmq.jpg <-- GET TO DA CHOPPA! |
| 20:58.31 | foxlit | but is that really a choppa? |
| 20:58.32 | zenzelezz | GHET DAUN |
| 20:58.43 | foxlit | Forward-oriented turbines sort of suggest otherwise |
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| 21:00.15 | |Jelly| | LOOK! SOMETHING SHINEY! |
| 21:00.17 | |Jelly| | GET TO DA CHOPPA! |
| 21:01.03 | foxlit | Also, as a parting shot at wasting people's productive time: http://www.kongregate.com/games/Coolio_Niato/light-bot << awesome |
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| 21:03.49 | *** join/#wowuidev |pez| (n=user@213-187-182-126.dd.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:03.59 | |pez| | I bring you all... picture! - http://www.jonathanyeo.com/paris.html |
| 21:04.30 | zenzelezz | my god... I didn't think it was possible to make her look worse |
| 21:04.47 | NightHawkTheSane | anything is possible |
| 21:05.02 | |pez| | zenzelezz: but do you see the penis?! |
| 21:05.24 | zenzelezz | |pez|: didn't look at the picture for more than a couple of seconds |
| 21:05.47 | Keias | rofl the thumb? |
| 21:05.47 | kamdis | wow that's ... |
| 21:05.56 | |pez| | It's a rather interesting piece of art. |
| 21:05.57 | kamdis | i have no words for that |
| 21:06.06 | |Jelly| | I do. |
| 21:06.10 | |Jelly| | Bejeweled. |
| 21:06.17 | |pez| | All made of cut'n'pastes from porn images. |
| 21:06.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ~|Jelly|++ |
| 21:06.25 | |pez| | bewhut? |
| 21:08.36 | zenzelezz | what's the character transfer cooldown there days, three months? |
| 21:08.41 | zenzelezz | *these |
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| 21:08.45 | NeoTron | 1 |
| 21:08.47 | kd3 | 1 |
| 21:09.13 | Neuro_Medivh | they felt that 3 months was not earning them enough money |
| 21:09.53 | zenzelezz | nice, so I can still afford to fuck up one transfer before WotLK |
| 21:10.01 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:10.01 | Neuro_Medivh | yep |
| 21:10.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Btw, I'm super pissed that they moved the release date of Quantum of Solace up from Nov 7 to Nov 14 |
| 21:10.41 | zenzelezz | Quantum of Solace? |
| 21:10.47 | kd3 | bond movie |
| 21:10.53 | zenzelezz | oh |
| 21:11.00 | zenzelezz | sounded like some sort of sci-fi novel |
| 21:11.36 | End | one quantam of solace please |
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| 21:11.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 21:11.50 | zenzelezz | hold the ions |
| 21:11.50 | End | s/quantam/quantum/ |
| 21:12.03 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, you meant one quanta of solace |
| 21:12.11 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 21:12.36 | |Jelly| | Are you throwing me a late birfday party?! |
| 21:12.39 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i hate you. |
| 21:12.39 | Neuro_Medivh | kamdis, many of us are |
| 21:12.57 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: aww :) |
| 21:13.08 | p3lim | haste: where is this found? - A template has been including as an example of the above. |
| 21:13.09 | foxlit | But isn't it FUN? |
| 21:13.12 | zenzelezz | WotLK's release date is exactly the same day as my father's birthday... I'm still trying to work out how to exploit this |
| 21:13.17 | Neuro_Medivh | whoops, I messed it up... quantum is the singular, quanta the plural |
| 21:13.20 | haste | p3lim: in the XML file |
| 21:13.29 | p3lim | thanks |
| 21:13.42 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yes :( |
| 21:13.47 | Shirik | there's multiple quantums? |
| 21:14.07 | zenzelezz | "This Quantum of Solace may or may not be stale. We can't tell" |
| 21:14.35 | p3lim | haste: that stuff is needed to be done in XML format? |
| 21:14.50 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, thats redundant |
| 21:15.00 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:15.07 | Thunder_Child | nvm, i read his thing backwars |
| 21:15.10 | Thunder_Child | wards* |
| 21:15.14 | Thunder_Child | that doesnt seem right |
| 21:15.37 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 21:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pong |
| 21:15.53 | Shirik | what did you want? |
| 21:16.08 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: minigame: use as few commands as possible |
| 21:16.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: read the line below that ;) |
| 21:16.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 21:16.16 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 21:16.28 | Shirik | I read it and I don't care |
| 21:16.30 | Shirik | I still want to know :D |
| 21:17.09 | Lunessa | I should take vacation days then. |
| 21:17.16 | Neuro_Medivh | you just HAD a vacation, Lunessa |
| 21:17.50 | Neuro_Medivh | you spent a whole week in Austin, getting away from it all |
| 21:17.54 | Shirik | lua> 0.3 * 10 == 3 |
| 21:17.54 | Lunessa | No, I didn't. Calling being evacuated a vacation is like calling a sick day in the doctor's office a vacation. |
| 21:17.55 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 21:18.02 | Shirik | lua> 0.1 * 10 == 1 |
| 21:18.02 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 21:18.06 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: 13 days actually. |
| 21:18.32 | haste | p3lim: no, you can solve it in pure lua also, but it's much more PITA |
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| 21:18.41 | Shirik | Lunessa :( |
| 21:18.44 | Shirik | hope everything's ok |
| 21:18.59 | kamdis | Lunessa, I'm pretty sure that's what Neuro meant. |
| 21:19.04 | p3lim | PITA? |
| 21:19.08 | Cide | you. |
| 21:19.10 | Neuro_Medivh | I was just being a smart-ass is all =) |
| 21:19.15 | kamdis | pain in the ass |
| 21:19.19 | p3lim | :) |
| 21:19.21 | Cide | hence |
| 21:19.27 | Lunessa | Yes, yes he was. |
| 21:19.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Besides... Austin is not a 2 week vacation spot... it's 3 days, tops |
| 21:19.52 | kamdis | yeah |
| 21:19.54 | Cide | Shirik: what did you want me to fix anyway? :P |
| 21:19.54 | Neuro_Medivh | then you pretty much run out of bars to visit on sixth street |
| 21:19.58 | Lunessa | 'sokay. I forgive him. He owes me a Shiner Boch though. |
| 21:20.04 | p3lim | have no real use for group-targets or pet, just checking it out nevertheless |
| 21:20.09 | kamdis | austin is nice though, but not when you're worried about will i have a place to live when i get back home? |
| 21:20.16 | Shirik | Cide: The fact that QUIT/NICK cannot trigger a lock |
| 21:20.18 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: Considering I had no $$ for bars on 6th street... |
| 21:20.25 | Neuro_Medivh | ouch, then it's worse |
| 21:20.36 | Cide | Shirik: meh, easy fix. get to it. |
| 21:20.51 | Lunessa | Good thing I had friends and easy access to all their animae. |
| 21:20.54 | Neuro_Medivh | especially as a guy, cause you're expected to pay for your own drinks, plus those of a semi-drunk UT girl who you're trying to nail |
| 21:21.06 | Cide | easy solution |
| 21:21.15 | Cide | do it the feynman way |
| 21:21.23 | Shirik | the what? |
| 21:21.26 | Cide | or get a girlfriend, either way |
| 21:21.56 | Cide | feynman apparently had a lot better luck with getting girls in bed by NOT buying them drinks |
| 21:22.02 | Sixen | kd3, want me to host your next version of the finding stickies guide? |
| 21:22.19 | kd3 | sure. just gotta make one first |
| 21:22.20 | Neuro_Medivh | Cide: that only works if you're rich and/or good looking |
| 21:22.21 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: All the UT girls think I'm too old. |
| 21:22.21 | Sixen | I could make it like sixen.org/kd3/findingstickies or something |
| 21:22.26 | Sixen | Mmm |
| 21:22.37 | Sixen | If you'd like, I can throw 'em all up on my FTP for you. |
| 21:22.50 | kneeki | If I were trying to use an OK and Cancel button, I would want to dump all the current settings to a table like: 'local origionals = {}; origionals = settingsDB' right? |
| 21:23.02 | Cide | Neuro_Medivh: /shrug. can't comment on his looks, but he wasn't rich |
| 21:23.30 | Cide | until he won the nobel prize, I suppose |
| 21:24.12 | Neuro_Medivh | nobel prize is just as good as being rich |
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| 21:24.31 | Cide | I don't think the chicks he tried to nail actually knew who he was |
| 21:24.33 | Neuro_Medivh | I actually should amend my statement... it's not the money they go for, but the status |
| 21:24.41 | Cide | besides, I'm pretty sure that was actually before he did win the prize |
| 21:24.59 | Neuro_Medivh | also, that was how long ago? |
| 21:25.04 | Cide | no idea |
| 21:25.21 | Cide | a while ago anyway |
| 21:25.40 | Shirik | ok, today's xkcd is pretty awesome |
| 21:25.42 | Neuro_Medivh | these days, women all watch the stupid shit on lifetime or in cosmo or sex and the city, and they all assume they're gonna marry some super-hot rich guy |
| 21:25.44 | Shirik | that is, yesterday's |
| 21:26.21 | Cide | eh |
| 21:26.32 | Cide | it's nice, but not that great |
| 21:26.40 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: Heh. Because Carrie is every woman, no? Feh and fie on that I say! |
| 21:26.50 | Shirik | it's good stuff |
| 21:26.51 | Duman | omg new build |
| 21:26.52 | Shirik | ~lart Cide |
| 21:26.52 | purl | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at Cide |
| 21:27.00 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: 177 commands |
| 21:27.09 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10638056910&sid=2000 |
| 21:27.14 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa, you ever actually watched that show? |
| 21:27.29 | nevcairiel | yay a build |
| 21:27.33 | Neuro_Medivh | my ex used to watch it all the time, so I had to watch it occassionally |
| 21:27.34 | nevcairiel | perfect time to go get some sleep |
| 21:27.48 | kamdis | "these days, women all watch the stupid shit on lifetime or in cosmo or sex and the city, and they all assume they're gonna marry some super-hot rich guy" that's just insulting and not true |
| 21:27.56 | Lunessa | Sadly, I have. It was like taking Thorazine, only without the lack of higher brain functions. |
| 21:28.04 | Neuro_Medivh | and the funny thing is, individually, some of the episodes are funny. Over a period of time, they're just sad |
| 21:28.15 | Shirik | on that note, I again head out to finally go home |
| 21:28.18 | Shirik | stupid long days at school |
| 21:28.21 | Lunessa | Ciao. |
| 21:28.45 | Neuro_Medivh | kamdis: As a single guy, the impression is far more accurate than not. Granted, there's a small note of bitterness in there, I'll admit |
| 21:28.57 | Icecoldcoke | This build will be over 9000 |
| 21:29.01 | Icecoldcoke | Maybe. |
| 21:29.14 | Neuro_Medivh | is there a new beta build? |
| 21:29.26 | kd3 | yes |
| 21:29.28 | kamdis | Perhaps it's your choice of women, rather than "women" as a stereotypical whole |
| 21:29.33 | Dashkal | cool. at some point recently the wowphabet finished: http://blog.inksplot-studios.com/?cat=10 |
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| 21:29.44 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/24/10638056910-maintenance-93008.html |
| 21:30.03 | Lunessa | kamdis: That's entirely my problem. :D |
| 21:30.12 | kneeki | ... oh what the hell |
| 21:30.55 | kneeki | I despise when my addon breaks and then starts working for no reason. Just by closing down the PTR client, and opening the Live |
| 21:31.20 | p3lim | haste: keep up the good work, ill try to get git pushed into my head and make some diffs for you within the week :) |
| 21:31.35 | kneeki | Nope, broken again... |
| 21:31.43 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.33 | Neuro_Medivh | dangit, ScytheBlade1, its been 15 minutes, where's the patch??? |
| 21:32.50 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1!!!!! |
| 21:33.00 | p3lim | does Zariel use irc? |
| 21:33.26 | Maldivia | there's a patch = |
| 21:33.53 | Maldivia | ARGHH |
| 21:34.42 | Icecoldcoke | ARGHHALRASIHDAKSD |
| 21:34.49 | Sixen | new beta/ptr build http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10638056910 |
| 21:34.57 | Sixen | oh wow |
| 21:34.58 | Sixen | I'm late :( |
| 21:35.09 | bleeter | ~lart Sixen |
| 21:35.09 | purl | executes killall -HUP Sixen |
| 21:35.12 | bleeter | :P |
| 21:35.15 | Sixen | :( |
| 21:35.27 | Icecoldcoke | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.30 | Sixen | <3 |
| 21:35.31 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh/bleeter: no patch yet, so SB1 can't download it :) |
| 21:35.38 | bleeter | Maldivia: lame excuse |
| 21:36.01 | Maldivia | bleeter: or well, the patch is there - but unless you have access to Blizzard's intranet, it's not available |
| 21:36.20 | Icecoldcoke | I have access to Blizzard's Intranet. |
| 21:36.25 | Icecoldcoke | I live in their basement. |
| 21:36.26 | Neuro_Medivh | guess I'll go watch Heroes on the dvr... starting to lose interest in it though |
| 21:36.30 | bleeter | could try.. making bits up. i'm sure some made up bits will match the patch. |
| 21:36.43 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: season 3 started solid though, I think |
| 21:36.52 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: if not, there's always true blood :) |
| 21:36.52 | Lunessa | ... cry ... I've missed all of the new Heroes too. Curse you IKE! CURSE YOU!!! |
| 21:36.53 | bleeter | 1 .... 0 .... 1 .... 1 |
| 21:36.56 | Neuro_Medivh | eh, it has one fatal flaw in the show |
| 21:37.03 | Neuro_Medivh | NO ONE EVER REALLY DIES |
| 21:37.08 | Maldivia | Lunessa: *hint* download online?' |
| 21:37.27 | Lunessa | *cough* No internet. No cable. No TV. |
| 21:37.27 | Neuro_Medivh | they keep bringing back characters because people like them |
| 21:37.38 | bleeter | anyone taking bets on the new nin ds having better wireless? |
| 21:38.01 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: yet Maya is still there |
| 21:38.14 | Cide | Maya is a pussy |
| 21:38.22 | Neuro_Medivh | lol... also, they have completely useless characters |
| 21:38.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Ali Larter, while hot, was useless to the true plot |
| 21:38.58 | Cide | she's still part of the plot though |
| 21:39.03 | Neuro_Medivh | not really |
| 21:39.14 | Cide | how do you know? |
| 21:39.31 | Neuro_Medivh | because nothing she did season 2 was relevant to the whole virus plot |
| 21:39.36 | Neuro_Medivh | except as a patient |
| 21:39.38 | Cide | I don't see what's wrong with subplots though |
| 21:39.49 | Neuro_Medivh | subplots should go somewhere through |
| 21:39.57 | Cide | yeah, but who knows if they'll tie that together with the new plot they have for s3 |
| 21:40.08 | Cide | then again |
| 21:40.09 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: season 2 was also cut short due to the strike |
| 21:40.11 | Neuro_Medivh | I suspect it was a victim of the writer's strike |
| 21:40.13 | Cide | s2 sucked compared to s1 |
| 21:40.36 | Maldivia | last years season of a lot of shows sucked due to writers strike |
| 21:40.38 | Neuro_Medivh | I just got bored every time the kid Micah and his cousin were on screen |
| 21:40.38 | Cide | s3 looks to be pretty good |
| 21:41.29 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't wanna discuss s3 cause some people (Lunessa) haven't seen it |
| 21:41.42 | Neuro_Medivh | but I really dislike that they once again refuse to kill people off |
| 21:42.24 | Maldivia | silar should have dies in season 1 |
| 21:42.26 | Lunessa | I'll probably have to wait for the SciFi recap. :( |
| 21:42.36 | Neuro_Medivh | Mald: perfect example |
| 21:42.42 | Slakah | Silar and peter should be dead imo |
| 21:42.50 | Neuro_Medivh | no, Peter I can understand |
| 21:42.51 | Cide | no you're not |
| 21:42.54 | Neuro_Medivh | but Nathan? |
| 21:42.59 | Neuro_Medivh | HE DIED TWICE |
| 21:43.02 | Neuro_Medivh | and came back |
| 21:43.07 | Cide | he did? |
| 21:43.09 | Neuro_Medivh | well, he didn't 'die' in s1 |
| 21:43.09 | p3lim | Cairenn: mind moving an addon of mine to a diffrent category? |
| 21:43.23 | p3lim | to Outdated: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=8384 |
| 21:43.38 | Neuro_Medivh | but he's been miraculously healed twice now |
| 21:43.51 | Cairenn | p3lim: done |
| 21:43.59 | p3lim | Thanks :) |
| 21:44.05 | Maldivia | well, they entire "blood of claire" thing was just too annoying |
| 21:44.16 | Neuro_Medivh | but yeah, i think I'm gonna have to chalk it up to poor writing in s2 due to the strike |
| 21:44.17 | Maldivia | and I guess, blood of adam aswell |
| 21:44.17 | Slakah | Theres no shock in death anymore in the show anymore. |
| 21:44.24 | Slakah | bah |
| 21:44.28 | Neuro_Medivh | Slakah, of course not, cause they'll just come back |
| 21:44.31 | Slakah | me need to think about typing |
| 21:44.35 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: This is a comic book. Until you see the body (and sometimes even then!) they're not really dead. |
| 21:44.54 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa: That might be the problem. Comic books are horrible about that |
| 21:45.09 | Maldivia | until the body has been burned and the ashed spread across the sea - and all clones have been killed aswell - not until then |
| 21:45.24 | Neuro_Medivh | while the medium has some fine examples in it, 90% of comics are shit |
| 21:45.42 | Neuro_Medivh | cause they're just fanboy pandering most of the time |
| 21:45.44 | Slakah | Maldiva: Time travel? |
| 21:45.57 | Slakah | or a parallel universe |
| 21:46.03 | Lunessa | I remember back in the day, running a Champions game. A kept re-using a particular villain because I liked him, and the players hated him. They never quite confirmed his death, so I had a loophole. |
| 21:46.14 | Maldivia | although - best resurrection in recent shows...Carson Becket ! |
| 21:46.40 | Lunessa | Then the players deliberately killed him, and threw the body into the sun. And told me I was due for a beating if he ever came back. :P |
| 21:47.25 | Slakah | Now if only there were someone to do that to the heroes writers. |
| 21:47.31 | Maldivia | Slakah: yeah, time travel, alternate dimension and all that shit are alwats possibilities |
| 21:48.02 | Neuro_Medivh | you know the other problem I always had with comics? If a guy is super strong, or can shoot lightning from his hands or some other major super power... why bother robbing a bank? You could make 10 times more money in legitimate fields |
| 21:48.28 | Sixen | <3 bleet |
| 21:48.44 | Neuro_Medivh | that's why Joker was such a good character, eventually. He didn't care about the money |
| 21:49.15 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: yeah, for the Joker it was all about the game :) |
| 21:49.59 | Neuro_Medivh | also, they eventually got Lex Luthor right; instead of master criminal, a major industrial empire |
| 21:50.37 | End | That's strange, chrome isn't downloading the this entire page. o_O |
| 21:50.46 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: you forgot annoying adolescence |
| 21:50.58 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry if I sound like I'm ranting, I worked in a card/comic shop back in like 94, had to deal with comics all the time |
| 21:51.18 | Dewin | Is there an easier way in Lua to do... |
| 21:51.32 | Dewin | if a and a.b and a.b.c and a.b.c.d then return a.b.c.d else return nil end |
| 21:52.05 | Dewin | well, I know I can skip off the last 'and a.b.c.d' step. |
| 21:52.26 | Slakah | return a and a.b and a.b.c and a.b.c.d or nil |
| 21:52.34 | Shirik | Authenticator code: 000001 |
| 21:52.38 | Shirik | Sometimes I wonder how random these things are |
| 21:52.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Dewin: doesn't a.b.c.d predicate the existance of the former? |
| 21:52.59 | Fisker- | i got one that was 000000 i believe |
| 21:53.03 | Fisker- | or some other amusing number |
| 21:53.29 | End | well, I imagine you could do (((a or {})["b"] or {})["c"] or {}), but somehow I think that's worse... |
| 21:53.47 | Neuro_Medivh | well, for a.b.c.d to exist, there has to be a and a.b and a.b.c, no? |
| 21:54.31 | Neuro_Medivh | I can't think of a situation where a.b.c.d would exist, but a.b wouldn't |
| 21:54.50 | Dewin | Neuro: the problem is checking if a.b.c.d when c does not exist will cause it to fail because I'm attempting to index a nil value |
| 21:54.51 | End | yes, but how are you going to check to see if a.b.c.d exists? |
| 21:55.21 | Dewin | lua>1 and 2 and 3 and 4 |
| 21:55.22 | lua_bot | Dewin: 4 |
| 21:55.27 | Dewin | Oh. That's neat. |
| 21:55.28 | End | you could try to wrap it in pcall I guess... |
| 21:55.32 | Dewin | Me and my silly C thinking |
| 21:55.37 | Dewin | End: Not worth the overhead |
| 21:55.53 | End | you must not have seen my first bad suggestion :D |
| 21:56.40 | kneeki | Any idea why my panel.okay and panel.cancel buttons do not work? http://www.wowi.pastey.net/97063 |
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| 21:57.00 | kneeki | By not work, I mean that MinimalisqueDB settings are always being changed |
| 21:57.16 | kneeki | regardless of cancel or ok being clicked |
| 21:58.45 | Lunessa | Ciao tutti. |
| 22:00.19 | Shirik | iPhone logs in as "root"? |
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| 22:01.14 | zenzelezz | hm, with the Revenge damage boost I'm tempted to put the two points into Improved Revenge even in 3.0/WotLK |
| 22:04.42 | alestane | But yeah, the easiest way to do that is: "return a and a.b and a.b.c and a.b.c.d" |
| 22:05.05 | Dewin | Poisonous copypasta even |
| 22:05.10 | Dewin | *fixes the same syntax error 6 times* |
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| 22:05.41 | steezo | ~seen Whoz |
| 22:05.44 | purl | steezo: i haven't seen 'whoz' |
| 22:06.14 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97064-4c3o Less code complexity, more code crypticity (is that a word?) Thanks :) |
| 22:06.26 | Dewin | Where I come from 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 returns true not 4 ;) |
| 22:07.21 | Dewin | ... |
| 22:07.24 | Dewin | *knows how to simplify that* |
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| 22:07.57 | ricardo__ | has anyone run past the helloworld blizz tutorial and would like to help me find what am i doing wrong? the addon apears on the addon list, but dosent send the message |
| 22:08.08 | Maldivia | Dewin: 4 is true :) |
| 22:08.19 | Dewin | Maldivia: I'm aware |
| 22:11.01 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 22:11.05 | smcn | i wonder if this build will finally be over 9000 |
| 22:11.11 | Maldivia | bleeter: we have a patch |
| 22:11.15 | Maldivia | smcn: it is |
| 22:11.19 | smcn | woot! |
| 22:11.30 | Ktron | I'm writing a column on IRC culture, if anyone wants to msg me some thoughts, They'd be most appreciated-- want to get a few more more snippets beyond my own experiences. |
| 22:11.52 | Maldivia | irc culture... hmm... oximoron? .) |
| 22:12.46 | Fisker- | awesome Shirik |
| 22:12.48 | Ktron | Nah, things like UGT, How every help channel has the belittling Op who tells everyone not to ask to ask... You get the idea. |
| 22:12.53 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:13.00 | Fisker- | [00:00:18] <@Shirik> iPhone logs in as "root"? |
| 22:13.01 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 22:13.30 | Maldivia | bleeter: small patch |
| 22:13.59 | Shirik | I want google's phone |
| 22:14.35 | Ktron | I'm writing a column on IRC culture, if anyone wants to msg me some thoughts, They'd be most appreciated-- want to get a few more more snippets beyond my own experiences. If not, please ignore this, I won't spam it. |
| 22:14.50 | Shirik | I refuse to ignore it! |
| 22:14.55 | Shirik | <3 |
| 22:15.18 | Dewin | *scrolls up* There's a patch? |
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| 22:15.28 | kneeki | Zomg! Patch day!! |
| 22:15.29 | cbreak | if you want to see spamm, every few hours there is some in here :) |
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| 22:16.03 | cbreak | speak of the devil... :) |
| 22:16.08 | Fisker- | y helo thar |
| 22:16.09 | zenzelezz | as if on cue |
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| 22:16.32 | Maldivia | someone mode the channel |
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| 22:16.49 | kd3 | Shirik, +rR |
| 22:16.55 | jaxdahl2 | new build already been mentioned? |
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| 22:16.58 | kd3 | yes |
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| 22:17.11 | jaxdahl2 | okay! |
| 22:17.19 | jaxdahl2 | 5-7 hours :( |
| 22:17.20 | Dewin | Ktron: I don't know how much culture you could attribute to IRC versus the culture of the various communities that are on IRC |
| 22:17.21 | kneeki | When talking about tables, is there any functional difference between using . and ' ][' ? |
| 22:17.25 | Maldivia | ony a 15MB patch |
| 22:17.28 | cbreak | purl, kick the spammer |
| 22:17.34 | kneeki | blah.blah == blah['blah'] ? |
| 22:17.37 | RichiH | everything OK, in here? |
| 22:17.38 | Shirik | sorry you're being my guinea pig, kd3, I wanted to let it keep going to see the response |
| 22:17.45 | Maldivia | kneeki: yep |
| 22:17.48 | jaxdahl2 | oh, it was posted an hour ago |
| 22:17.51 | Shirik | RichiH, the bot took care of the spam, but thanks |
| 22:17.55 | jaxdahl2 | okay, so 4-6 more hours from now |
| 22:17.58 | kneeki | Maldivia: Identical? |
| 22:18.02 | RichiH | can you paste the relevant bits to me, pleaes? |
| 22:18.05 | RichiH | please, too |
| 22:18.10 | Dewin | For example, I'm sure if you were to join #anime or something, you'd have a completely different culture than in this channel |
| 22:18.11 | Maldivia | kneeki: t.key == t["key"] |
| 22:18.23 | kneeki | Maldivia: mmk, thanks =) |
| 22:18.26 | Dewin | or if you join any of the various technical channels (say, #postgresql) |
| 22:18.28 | Maldivia | kneeki: and yes, identical |
| 22:18.33 | Shirik | you mean the spam, RichiH? |
| 22:18.39 | Maldivia | kneeki: t.key is just syntax sugar for the other |
| 22:18.43 | kneeki | Just want to make sure, I'm running into stupid problems |
| 22:18.46 | jaxdahl2 | the patch .exe is already out, Maldivia? got a build #? |
| 22:18.49 | Maldivia | kneeki: only works with string keys though |
| 22:19.00 | kneeki | Maldivia: Not boolean? |
| 22:19.07 | RichiH | aye |
| 22:19.15 | Shirik | It's just stuff like this: http://wowi.pastey.net/97065 |
| 22:19.19 | Maldivia | kneeki: t.true != t[true] but t.true == t["true"] |
| 22:19.20 | Ktron | Dewin, so, even culture of the specific communities will be relevant-- the real goal is to demonstrate how viable a community of users can make decade old servers and text type |
| 22:19.32 | Shirik | over and over |
| 22:19.47 | kneeki | Maldivia: Ah yeah, I get that. Thanks! |
| 22:19.55 | Dewin | PTR does not want to feed me a patch. |
| 22:20.04 | Dewin | Any alms for the patchless? |
| 22:20.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: meh, it'll show up eventually |
| 22:20.17 | Shirik | Shiibot detects it now (though a bit slowly -- I need to increase its scoring I think), so I think we should be okay hopefully |
| 22:20.22 | Shirik | but thanks RichiH |
| 22:20.36 | Maldivia | Shirik: have massive re-nick as a trigger? |
| 22:20.45 | Shirik | It's there, it's just not getting enough points |
| 22:20.55 | Fisker- | what build mr. Maldivia ? |
| 22:21.05 | cbreak | communities are formed by people. it all depends on who hangs out in the channels |
| 22:21.14 | RichiH | Shirik: kk, ta |
| 22:21.15 | cbreak | (or hangs around? :) |
| 22:21.42 | Dewin | I'd say there are some loose commonalities that can be applied to people who IRC in general |
| 22:21.53 | Dewin | but each channel is going to have its own distinct character. |
| 22:22.10 | Dewin | Probably in flux during times of the day too, depending on which regulars are on |
| 22:22.40 | Shirik | !reload |
| 22:22.41 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 22:22.56 | cbreak | it probably is closely related with how interesting the topic is, and how strict "off topic" chat is handled :) |
| 22:23.01 | jaxdahl2 | what was the previous build # ? |
| 22:23.08 | jaxdahl2 | 8982? |
| 22:23.11 | kd3 | 8982 |
| 22:23.11 | Shirik | that should be a little faster on response |
| 22:23.16 | kd3 | and rofl; fark: [Amusing] VP debate pre-debate: Will Palin wear her hair down so she can use the wireless receiver? (3-1) Will Biden make her cry? (5-1) GOP streaker? (10-1) Will you watch for the train wreck? (1-1) |
| 22:23.21 | cbreak | 3.0.2.8982 is current |
| 22:23.21 | Maldivia | UI diff 8982->9014: http://patchdiff.pastey.net/97067 |
| 22:23.24 | Dewin | cbreak: Definitely, but sort of. |
| 22:23.28 | jaxdahl2 | wow, 9014? |
| 22:23.32 | jaxdahl2 | and you said it's only 15mb |
| 22:23.43 | cbreak | (yeah, it's over 9000... fun... :) |
| 22:23.44 | Dewin | This channel goes offtopic quite often |
| 22:23.49 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:23.51 | Shirik | often? |
| 22:23.53 | Shirik | that's an understatement |
| 22:23.56 | Dewin | Well |
| 22:24.06 | Dewin | I'd say the channel is only on-topic when there *is* a relevant topic |
| 22:24.13 | Shirik | yeah the topic is probably ill-defined |
| 22:24.18 | Shirik | we're typically talking about SOMETHING wow-related |
| 22:24.25 | Shirik | not necessarily about development |
| 22:24.36 | Neuro_Medivh | other times, we're discussing something nerd-related |
| 22:24.36 | jaxdahl2 | the md5 sum i get is: a40109bad85ffab8f91061c6b05d570a WoW-3.0.2.8982-to-3.0.2.9014-enUS-patch.exe |
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| 22:24.40 | Thunder_Child | there is no topic here |
| 22:24.44 | Dewin | If someone (often me) comes in with an addon question or news of a patch or whatnot, it's likely to reduce or halt offtopic conversation for awhile. |
| 22:24.57 | kd3 | any mirrors up? don't want to hack together my script to get it |
| 22:25.00 | jaxdahl2 | i declare the topic to now be.... Banana Hammock! |
| 22:25.10 | Thunder_Child | ~kick jaxdahl |
| 22:25.13 | Maldivia | a40109bad85ffab8f91061c6b05d570a *WoW-3.0.2.8982-to-3.0.2.9014-enUS-patch.exe |
| 22:25.14 | Dewin | Aside from that, I think it's whatever, but since most people in this channel play WoW and know that most other people in this channel also play WoW, WoW in general will often become the topic. |
| 22:25.15 | Neuro_Medivh | I am anti-Banana Hammock |
| 22:25.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart jaxdahl |
| 22:25.16 | purl | crushes jaxdahl with a full height scsi disk |
| 22:25.17 | cbreak | yeah. #mplayer is similar, often speaks about anime or x264 instead of mplayer :) |
| 22:25.30 | Maldivia | jaxdahl2: same here - and its signature validates |
| 22:25.35 | jaxdahl2 | thanks! |
| 22:25.50 | jaxdahl2 | 24,415,952bytes in case anyone is wondering |
| 22:26.18 | Shirik | wtf is banana hammock? |
| 22:26.19 | kneeki | If I wanted to copy a table would I do: myCopy = myOriginal ? |
| 22:26.21 | Maldivia | did I say 15mb... ohh well :) |
| 22:26.34 | jaxdahl2 | Shirik, watch Scrubs... or GIS if you're brave |
| 22:26.38 | Shirik | GIS? |
| 22:26.43 | jaxdahl2 | google image search |
| 22:26.43 | Shirik | Geographic Information System? |
| 22:26.47 | jaxdahl2 | likely not safe for work results |
| 22:26.47 | Shirik | ah |
| 22:26.50 | Fisker- | bah Maldivia |
| 22:26.52 | Fisker- | no signups |
| 22:26.58 | cbreak | patch doesn't seem to be up on Coldarra yet |
| 22:27.08 | Maldivia | Fisker-: ? |
| 22:27.12 | cbreak | kneeki: tables are passed by-reference |
| 22:27.24 | cbreak | that would just make an additional ref to the same table |
| 22:27.33 | kneeki | Oh |
| 22:27.42 | Thunder_Child | if purl gets so bloated that they need to wipe it, wth do they give us the ability to add things?? |
| 22:27.49 | Fisker- | on the calendar Maldivia |
| 22:27.57 | kneeki | cbreak: So how do I go about copying the entire table? |
| 22:28.01 | Maldivia | Fisker-: ahh |
| 22:28.08 | cbreak | you can easily make a shallow copy with a for k,v in pairs(orig) do copy[k] = v; end |
| 22:28.23 | cbreak | but the point is _shallow_ copy |
| 22:28.29 | *** part/#wowuidev ricardo__ (n=ricardo@201.29.171.237) |
| 22:28.35 | kneeki | shallow how? |
| 22:28.35 | cbreak | for a deep copy you'd probably write something recursive |
| 22:28.39 | kneeki | oh |
| 22:28.40 | kneeki | nvm |
| 22:28.41 | cbreak | one level deep |
| 22:28.44 | kneeki | Yeah |
| 22:28.50 | kneeki | Well crap |
| 22:29.00 | Dewin | kneeki: sec |
| 22:29.13 | jaxdahl2 | someone has likely already written functions to do that |
| 22:29.39 | Dewin | bah, 4 lines isn't worth pasteying |
| 22:29.39 | Dewin | for k,v in pairs(from) do if type(v) == 'table' then v = DeepTableCopy(v) end to[k] = v end |
| 22:29.39 | Dewin | err |
| 22:29.39 | Dewin | yeah, that makes more sense with the whole function |
| 22:29.46 | cbreak | http://lua-users.org/wiki/CopyTable |
| 22:29.57 | kneeki | ooo |
| 22:30.04 | Maldivia | uhh, swipe already changed in this patch |
| 22:30.28 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/97068 faster/simpler but less robust... and there's one error in it :) |
| 22:30.45 | Maldivia | rake damage tripled |
| 22:31.31 | Maldivia | revenge damage doubled |
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| 22:32.06 | kneeki | cbreak: Is 'local myCopy = deepcopy(myOriginal)' correct for that function? |
| 22:32.19 | cbreak | no idea. I just searched on the wiki :) |
| 22:32.23 | kneeki | lol ok |
| 22:32.25 | kneeki | thanks =) |
| 22:33.08 | kneeki | bah |
| 22:36.39 | Maldivia | arghh... polymorph spells changed again - now Turtle/Serpent/Pig etc are rank again |
| 22:37.31 | cbreak | Did they fix the Deep Freeze bug? |
| 22:38.29 | Maldivia | no idea - but the spell description changed |
| 22:38.33 | Vissick | guys, i wrote my hello world addon like blizz tutorial, but something is not right, the message is not displayed when i log with my char, the code is here http://pastey.net/97070 |
| 22:38.36 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, my 3.0 prediction: Oct 14th |
| 22:38.42 | Maldivia | cbreak: apparently, they removed the damage component |
| 22:38.48 | cbreak | :( |
| 22:39.14 | cbreak | now it's officialy worthless in everything besides trash, soloing and pvp |
| 22:39.46 | Neuro_Medivh | you mean, everything except single target bosses |
| 22:40.23 | Shirik | so, I have a very scary story to tell |
| 22:40.29 | Fisker- | not gonna happen Neuro_Medivh ! |
| 22:40.32 | Shirik | Last night I had a strange dream |
| 22:40.45 | Maldivia | nature's splendor nerfed to 2sec on lifebloom and insect swarm |
| 22:40.46 | Fisker- | End of season announcements are atleast 2 weeks in advanced of the end hoho |
| 22:40.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Vissick, what does your .toc look like? |
| 22:40.51 | Shirik | The dream was the channel was getting spammed and nothing I could do would stop it :( |
| 22:40.59 | Fisker- | advance* |
| 22:41.02 | cogwheel | the humanity! |
| 22:41.14 | Neuro_Medivh | Fisker, the season isn't ending till Nov 14th |
| 22:41.20 | NeoTron | ZOMG WTF WERE AER TEH PATCHS NOTSES! |
| 22:41.34 | NeoTron | <Obligatory forum reference> |
| 22:42.17 | Fisker- | It is Neuro_Medivh |
| 22:42.37 | Vissick | Neuro_Medivh, kinda big, just send by private chat |
| 22:43.15 | Maldivia | regrowth glyph nerfed to 20% ... boooh |
| 22:43.17 | Dewin | Guess I'm done coding for awhile, ptr's down and I just finished making a huge amount of changes >.> |
| 22:44.04 | bleeter | MOAR PATCH |
| 22:44.15 | bleeter | s/PATCH/COFFEE/ |
| 22:44.46 | Maldivia | and divine plea is now totally useless for a paladin - 15sec duration for 25%, and makes all healing spell heal for 0 for the duration |
| 22:45.06 | Ktron | I like to eat, eat, eat, apples and bananas. |
| 22:45.25 | Fisker- | Maldivia but it is paladins after all |
| 22:45.25 | cbreak | pizza > fruits |
| 22:45.30 | Maldivia | guess it's usefull for prot only in fights with really low damage |
| 22:45.30 | Antiarc | http://www.wordarc.com/images/linked_lists.jpg |
| 22:45.30 | Vissick | Neuro_Medivh, it shows me the addon on and let me select it, it just dont display anything when i log like it is suposed to :( |
| 22:45.31 | Fisker- | like blizzard gives a shit |
| 22:45.32 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 22:45.46 | Ktron | s/a/e/g |
| 22:46.00 | Dewin | lol Antiarc |
| 22:46.05 | Dewin | That's why you use doubly-linked lists. |
| 22:46.06 | cbreak | doubly linked lists ftw |
| 22:46.57 | Shirik | Pandora needs a DJ |
| 22:47.03 | Shirik | It has great trance, but doesn't know how to link them together |
| 22:49.32 | Syzgyn | Antiarc: win. |
| 22:49.41 | Icecoldcoke | LOL MAELSTROM WEAPON PWND |
| 22:49.49 | Icecoldcoke | Max rank is 15% chance on crit |
| 22:49.58 | Dewin | Shrik: Needs a "Play this song after the last song more often/less often" feature? |
| 22:51.30 | [dRaCo] | Icecoldcoke: elaborate. |
| 22:52.38 | Icecoldcoke | Old |
| 22:52.39 | Icecoldcoke | When you critically hit with a melee weapon, you have a 100% chance to reduce the cast time of your next Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Lava Burst, Lesser Healing Wave or Healing Wave spell by 20%. Stacks up to 5 times. Lasts 15 sec. |
| 22:52.49 | Icecoldcoke | New |
| 22:52.50 | Icecoldcoke | When you deal damage with a melee weapon, you have a 15% chance to reduce the cast time of your next Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Lava Burst, Lesser Healing Wave, Chain Heal or Healing Wave spell by 20%. Stacks up to 5 times. Lasts 30 sec. |
| 22:53.34 | [dRaCo] | so it's fucking unusable right now |
| 22:53.41 | Icecoldcoke | It lasts longer |
| 22:53.48 | Syzgyn | Sounds balanced to me! |
| 22:54.09 | Icecoldcoke | I'll have the rest of the shaman changes up on wotlkwiki in ~5mins |
| 22:54.13 | cbreak | assuming every new proc resets the duration of the buff to the full 30 secs |
| 22:54.19 | [dRaCo] | woah, a longer lasting useless buff. |
| 22:55.06 | [dRaCo] | still, if you can't stack it to 100%, nobody is gonna use it, since it'll screw with your swing timer |
| 22:56.04 | Icecoldcoke | Yay, riptide finally added to resto talents |
| 22:56.50 | Fisker- | welcome to paladins etc. |
| 22:57.20 | Maldivia | uhh - last two glyphs unlocks at 70 and 80 now, instead of 60 and 60 |
| 22:57.23 | NightHawkTheSane | [dRaCo]: you know, it's really awesome that you went through and tested the new maelstrom talent to make that judgement. :) |
| 22:57.54 | Fisker- | well if glyphs were useful |
| 22:57.55 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 22:58.13 | kd3 | so uh, my patch grabber script seems to have gone poof. anyone got a mirror posted? |
| 22:58.34 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 22:58.44 | [dRaCo] | NightHawkTheSane: well, if it works like the one posted above, you won't get a 100% insta cast anything ever |
| 22:59.04 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 22:59.05 | Gnarfoz | why? |
| 22:59.22 | Gnarfoz | a 15% chance to increase the stack until it's at 5 and there's your instant cast spell? |
| 22:59.23 | [dRaCo] | oh. geez. |
| 22:59.24 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 22:59.27 | [dRaCo] | stupid me. |
| 22:59.35 | [dRaCo] | sorry, totally misread that o0 |
| 23:00.26 | NightHawkTheSane | [dRaCo]: as i was saying? :) |
| 23:00.57 | [dRaCo] | yeah, you got a point there. |
| 23:01.41 | [dRaCo] | still a big nerf :/ |
| 23:02.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well, they did say they thought enh dps was a bit high, plus it's probably to help reduce the appeal of stacking crit & spell power |
| 23:02.57 | NeoTron | Glyph of SoR nerf is good. infinite healing in spirit form was pretty stupid |
| 23:03.38 | jaxdahl2 | what DK chnages made it in? |
| 23:03.46 | Cide | you know |
| 23:03.49 | [dRaCo] | Yeah, enhancement damage was *big*, but still, 15%... I dunno. |
| 23:03.53 | jaxdahl2 | did the Rune Strike change make it in and Frost Strike always hitting? |
| 23:03.53 | Cide | assuming it's per heal and not per spellcast |
| 23:03.57 | Cide | >>> 1-0.2^5 |
| 23:03.57 | Cide | Cide: 0.99968 |
| 23:04.01 | Cide | er |
| 23:04.10 | Cide | >>> 1-0.8^5 |
| 23:04.10 | Cide | Cide: 0.67232 |
| 23:04.24 | Cide | 67% chance to extend the duration for every CoH cast |
| 23:04.36 | Cide | >>> 1-(1-0.67232)^(5/1.5) |
| 23:04.37 | Cide | Cide: 0.97574322183195 |
| 23:04.46 | Cide | ~98% chance to increase the duration by 5 sec for every 5s interval |
| 23:04.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: it says "all heals cast" so.. presumably it's per spellcast |
| 23:05.10 | jaxdahl2 | i thought it only worked for the first spellcast anyway |
| 23:05.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i doubt it'd proc of every heal of CoH, and even if it did, that'd get fixed right fast. :p |
| 23:05.17 | jaxdahl2 | according to some people that tested it |
| 23:05.21 | [dRaCo] | AnduinLothar: shamans will still stack crit, anything below 30% w/o buffs is suicide... and it doesn't lose much of value, even less now with ED being a must-have |
| 23:05.24 | Cide | yeah, that's the make or break |
| 23:05.28 | Cide | otherwise.. |
| 23:05.42 | [dRaCo] | wtf. |
| 23:05.42 | NeoTron | 20% is still pretty high chance |
| 23:05.42 | Cide | >>> 1-0.8^(5/1.5) |
| 23:05.43 | Cide | Cide: 0.52470130343805 |
| 23:05.43 | [dRaCo] | sorry. |
| 23:05.50 | Cide | 53% chance to extend CoH for each 5s interval |
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| 23:05.59 | Cide | still not bad |
| 23:06.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: thats far more reasonable |
| 23:06.04 | NeoTron | definitely a good investment |
| 23:06.22 | Cide | 52% actually, I rounded up when it should've been rounded down |
| 23:06.24 | NeoTron | I mean it's best not to die still |
| 23:06.30 | NeoTron | but before it was, in fact, better to die :P |
| 23:06.39 | jaxdahl2 | >>> 0.52^6 |
| 23:06.40 | Cide | jaxdahl2: 0.019770609664 |
| 23:06.43 | NeoTron | like on a fight like muru. die in the center and off you go |
| 23:06.46 | jaxdahl2 | >>> 0.52^12 |
| 23:06.46 | Cide | jaxdahl2: 0.00039087700648625 |
| 23:06.49 | NightHawkTheSane | [dRaCo]: oh, definitely, they clearly want it to be a crit based class, but i'm betting its the fact that the previous incarnation of maelstrom made spellpower a bit too good |
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| 23:07.11 | NeoTron | yeah they don't want enhance shammies to stack spell power |
| 23:07.33 | [dRaCo] | and that's totally fine |
| 23:07.38 | NeoTron | right |
| 23:07.50 | NeoTron | it'd be like stacking spell power on a ret pally or DK |
| 23:08.16 | kd3 | rofl. the level cap is still 77 |
| 23:08.33 | [dRaCo] | but 1 AP is cheaper when it comes to item budget and still worth .3 spell power |
| 23:10.20 | [dRaCo] | anyway, somebody's gonna do the math, but right now I've got the feeling that 15% might be a little too low for a 5 point talent |
| 23:11.15 | Icecoldcoke | Shaman changes up on wotlkwiki |
| 23:11.17 | Icecoldcoke | DK next |
| 23:12.15 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, although if it's 15% chance on -hit- not on crit.. that could help even it out |
| 23:12.48 | NeoTron | because they are updating wotlkwiki? :P |
| 23:12.59 | Icecoldcoke | lol |
| 23:13.09 | Icecoldcoke | I don't even know where all of the WOTLK stuff is for wowwiki |
| 23:13.18 | kd3 | the class pages themselves? |
| 23:13.53 | Icecoldcoke | Yeah.. is there a seperate one for wOTLK? |
| 23:14.06 | Icecoldcoke | because otherwise it's confusing to people looking at it for TBC stuff |
| 23:14.07 | kd3 | nope. we're keeping it all in-line. maybe a ==Wrath== section, but that's about it |
| 23:14.10 | jaxdahl2 | there's often a specific section for upcoming changes within the pages themselves |
| 23:14.23 | NeoTron | wotlkwiki initially had inoffocial leaks |
| 23:14.31 | kd3 | because they broke NDA to post them |
| 23:14.34 | NeoTron | to a large degree its use declined drastically once everything opened up |
| 23:14.49 | NeoTron | kd3: well not only. datamining publicly available datafiles for example |
| 23:14.56 | jaxdahl2 | i expect the pages will be marked when wotlk goes live, that they may not necessarily reflect wotlk changes, then people will go through them and update for wotlk, like they did for TBC |
| 23:14.59 | NeoTron | but not arguing against or for them, just stating facts |
| 23:15.27 | jaxdahl2 | they had alpha info, NeoTron |
| 23:15.47 | Icecoldcoke | Alpha screenshots too. |
| 23:16.04 | NeoTron | jaxdahl2: I know what they had |
| 23:16.14 | NeoTron | because I was a frequent visitor :P |
| 23:17.30 | Icecoldcoke | omg me too |
| 23:18.46 | jaxdahl2 | for shame, for _shame_ |
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| 23:20.08 | kd3 | geez. the PTR patch is huge compared to the beta patch |
| 23:21.12 | Dashkal | maybe some of northrend founds its way into the ptr? |
| 23:21.19 | cbreak | is the beta patch already downloadable? if so, from which servers? I don't seem to get it here in europe |
| 23:21.20 | Dashkal | -s |
| 23:22.18 | Sixen | orly? |
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| 23:26.13 | jaxdahl2 | kd3, how huge? |
| 23:26.29 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.30 | kd3 | 49MB |
| 23:27.07 | kd3 | interface diff emails going out soon. anyone not on the list want a copy? |
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| 23:29.21 | End | what, another patch? |
| 23:29.26 | kd3 | 9014 |
| 23:29.44 | End | the funny part is I know because I just got the diff <3 kd3 |
| 23:29.53 | jaxdahl2 | thanks kd3 |
| 23:31.08 | kd3 | oh.. that's what it is. they shipped esMX too in the PTR patch |
| 23:31.24 | jaxdahl2 | normal/heroic events differentiated on the calendar now |
| 23:34.16 | bleeter | "No, I don't think this name is long enough. Yes, I would name it something longer if I could. Hrm. I probably should have put DDL in there for a touch of hungarian." |
| 23:34.40 | bleeter | InterfaceOptionsDisplayPanelWorldPVPObjectiveDisplay_OnEvent |
| 23:34.56 | jaxdahl2 | fixed some code for timed achievements |
| 23:35.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I see I have been pinged to death |
| 23:36.08 | jaxdahl2 | 9014, ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:36.43 | jaxdahl2 | they really really need to do something to help players from getting saved to instances they don't want to get saved to |
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| 23:37.00 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: hm? what do you mean? |
| 23:37.10 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: was curious if you were going to say that or not |
| 23:37.35 | jaxdahl2 | it's going to be even easier for this to happen: "25 man naxx invites starting now" .. zone in .. "Crap, you forgot to set it to heroic, now i'm saved to your 10 man naxx that you did earlier this week" |
| 23:38.15 | jaxdahl2 | can addons access raid timer info? |
| 23:38.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It's up |
| 23:38.18 | Dashkal | A confirmation on zone-in would be wonderful... |
| 23:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | For those who don't have it already |
| 23:38.41 | Dashkal | <3 ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:38.51 | jaxdahl2 | if blizz doesn't do anything about it, an addon that uses the guild/raid addon channel would help |
| 23:38.52 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: ah, yeah, that is obnoxious |
| 23:40.04 | jaxdahl2 | it's really frustrating when you get locked out of an instance for a week |
| 23:40.34 | jaxdahl2 | did you know there are situations where you can get saved to an instance that you aren't even in the raid for? |
| 23:41.09 | jaxdahl2 | even if you are in a second raid in the same instance, different instance ID |
| 23:42.36 | NeoTron | jaxdahl2: I can see the opposite too - zoning on on heroic and starting with trash before realizing :P |
| 23:42.38 | Dashkal | Icecoldcoke: apparently whoever was doing rogues missed something in the rogue data: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/7/10539069803-new-buildyay.html |
| 23:43.28 | Icecoldcoke | I'll tell them |
| 23:43.46 | jaxdahl2 | i was in pug raid A, cleared to attunmen, decided to join guild raid B, raid A killed attunmen while I was in raid B, I didn't notice a 'you are now saved to this instance' message, but I should have, i killed moroes, attunmen, wiped on maiden then when I tried to zone back in, it said the instance was full and I was thoroughly confused until I figured out til later what happened |
| 23:44.20 | Icecoldcoke | Our file checker doesn't record tier changes, so that's why those never get added. The other thing not sure how they missed it |
| 23:44.28 | jaxdahl2 | this method can also be used to clear an instance nearly twice within 1 raid lockout timer |
| 23:46.13 | Dashkal | Icecoldcoke: I figured on the tier bit, but the other one did appear like it would be visible. Not that it really matters. I've noticed that wiki is right up to date within an hour of the servers coming up anyway |
| 23:46.43 | Legorol | jaxdahl2: that's a very interesting account, but something I don't understand: |
| 23:47.03 | Legorol | how can you get saved to raid A's instance ID if you are not part of that raid AND not in that instance |
| 23:47.17 | Legorol | I'm confused how you ended up with A's ID |
| 23:48.07 | Icecoldcoke | Dashkal, Azri says thanks. |
| 23:48.31 | Dashkal | np. mmm, compulsive refreshing of every wow news page I can see |
| 23:48.36 | smcn | whoa, tiny patch |
| 23:48.45 | smcn | whoa, i know kung fu |
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| 23:49.45 | NeoTron | so wait, locks hate enslave demon because it's overall bad... so they change the duration to 1 from 5 minutes |
| 23:50.49 | jaxdahl2 | Legorol, bug/feature |
| 23:50.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Skills |
| 23:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | * Evocation cooldown has been reduced from 8 minutes to 5 minutes. |
| 23:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Whee |
| 23:51.03 | Legorol | jaxdahl2: yes i understand that |
| 23:51.09 | Legorol | I just would love some clarification :) |
| 23:51.10 | jaxdahl2 | you still retain the instance id, somehow, for up to 15-30 minutes after you leave |
| 23:51.12 | Legorol | specifically: |
| 23:51.25 | Legorol | you said " raid A killed attunmen while I was in raid B," |
| 23:51.33 | jaxdahl2 | simply zoning back in with a different raid doesn't reset it |
| 23:51.34 | Dashkal | drat, I don't see mention of the rune strike change here. Guess it didn't make this build |
| 23:51.41 | Legorol | in that sentence, when you say "while i was in raid B", do you mean you were part of raid group B, or you were in raid B's instance, or both? |
| 23:51.46 | jaxdahl2 | both |
| 23:51.58 | Legorol | i see |
| 23:52.16 | Legorol | so you were already part of the new group, you managed to zone into a different instance, and ou still got saved to A's ID |
| 23:52.26 | Legorol | that's definitely a bug |
| 23:52.39 | jaxdahl2 | the GM i talked to said it had happened to him before |
| 23:52.49 | jaxdahl2 | but he absolutely did not have the ability to change my ID |
| 23:52.54 | jaxdahl2 | even though he understood what happened to me |
| 23:53.14 | Legorol | yeah totally irrelevant :) |
| 23:53.22 | Legorol | what GMs are allowed to/not allowed to do is a matter of policy |
| 23:53.35 | jaxdahl2 | there have been threads about it in tech support or customer service, i believe |
| 23:53.48 | jaxdahl2 | but the bug hasn't changed as far as i know |
| 23:53.57 | NeoTron | a couple of guilds on my server ... shared a BT instance |
| 23:54.03 | Legorol | what I find surprising is that if there is somehow a shadow instance ID that you still hold, why aren't you zoning into that one when you reenter with a fresh group |
| 23:54.05 | Legorol | really strange |
| 23:54.09 | NeoTron | the fun thing was that one guild was alliance and the other horde |
| 23:54.19 | Legorol | lol |
| 23:54.22 | jaxdahl2 | Legorol, i wasn't solidly saved to it |
| 23:54.28 | NeoTron | so they had screenshots of a horde guild with human pally on illidan |
| 23:54.30 | jaxdahl2 | ie, the boss wasn't down in raid A yet |
| 23:54.36 | Legorol | jaxdahl2: i understood your account completely |
| 23:54.41 | Legorol | yes i understand |
| 23:54.50 | Legorol | you didn't have a proper save yet, just somehow a "lingering ID" |
| 23:55.13 | jaxdahl2 | I believe if i had zoned into the raid B instance then done a 'reset all instances' command |
| 23:55.17 | jaxdahl2 | i would have wiped the lingering ID |
| 23:55.46 | Legorol | what I'm saying is that (yes I know this is a bug) that if you have a lingering ID, the game should (if this bug didn't exist) zone you into that instance instead of a fresh one |
| 23:55.49 | jaxdahl2 | or even if i were simply the raid leader and zoned in |
| 23:56.09 | jaxdahl2 | think it has something to do with not being raid/party leader? |
| 23:56.57 | Legorol | doesn't sound like that had anything to do with it |
| 23:57.02 | jaxdahl2 | anyway..... i do hope blizz comes up with something to avoid getting saved to an instance you don't want to be like i explained a bit earlier. happened to me last night |
| 23:57.08 | Legorol | you were able to, whilst holding a lingering ID, zone into a fresh instance |
| 23:57.11 | Legorol | that should never happen |
| 23:57.13 | jaxdahl2 | was doing 10 man naxx, decided to go do sanctum |
| 23:57.33 | jaxdahl2 | we cleared the 1st trash pack then someone said "where's the bosses? O_O" |
| 23:57.35 | jaxdahl2 | "dammit" |
| 23:58.03 | jaxdahl2 | raid leader swore he hadn't done it yesterday |
| 23:58.13 | Legorol | raid leader could've done /raidinf |
| 23:58.20 | jaxdahl2 | could have. but didn't. |
| 23:58.33 | cbreak | what would that change? |
| 23:58.35 | Legorol | but this is a problem that comes up even when things are working as intended |
| 23:58.44 | ScytheBlade1 | raid leader should have checked first |
| 23:58.48 | Legorol | random person creates raid for Onyxia, we all zone in, get a "you are now saved to this instance" |
| 23:59.14 | Legorol | turns out random person was already saved to it |
| 23:59.18 | cbreak | the raid leader wasn't saved he said |
| 23:59.35 | Legorol | cbreak: jaxdahl2 only said that the raid leader *claimed* not to be saved |
| 23:59.49 | cbreak | yes. he could claim it with /raidinfo too |
| 23:59.51 | Legorol | even when things are working as intended, the raid leader could've screwed up/not paid attention |
| 23:59.57 | jaxdahl2 | i don't know if the raid leader had been sharing his beta account |
