| 00:00.18 | molgar | well thats already sorted, bit i want it to be stored like a "list" |
| 00:00.24 | Kaso | You want a ScrollingMessageFrame ? |
| 00:00.41 | molgar | everytime i type something new, it DELETE, the curent text |
| 00:00.50 | molgar | hmm, yeah, maby thats it |
| 00:01.03 | Kaso | Scrollingmessageframe is like the default chatframes |
| 00:01.23 | molgar | so it would be possible to make a list ? |
| 00:02.38 | Kaso | Im not sure exactly what you mean by a list, but a scrolling message frame does what i think you're asking |
| 00:03.05 | molgar | alright, i have to try it out :D thx alot anyways mate:D |
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| 00:30.16 | Duman | lolcrash |
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| 00:58.45 | |pez| | Waha, me and some friends were at some stand-up show yesterday. They had a nerdything there... We five where the only ones that REALLY laughed. |
| 00:59.31 | Corrodias | a whatnow? |
| 01:00.21 | |pez| | nerdysketch? |
| 01:00.26 | |pez| | nerdjoke? |
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| 01:30.00 | Corrodias | amazingly |
| 01:30.33 | Corrodias | in my ennui, WoW is vaguely attractive |
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| 01:40.45 | Tem | hmmmm |
| 01:40.51 | Tem | this is getting frustrating |
| 01:40.59 | Tem | I can't get my beta client to start up |
| 01:41.08 | Tem | it hangs on startup |
| 01:42.07 | kd3 | swap to opengl mode? |
| 01:42.17 | Tem | it worked yesterday |
| 01:42.28 | Tem | it hung on me last night when I was trying to exit |
| 01:45.01 | Arrowmaster | lets see 4 gigabytes is 32,768 megabits according to google, 32768/(60*60) for taking 1 hour to transfer is 0.91 megabits/second unless i fucked that up |
| 01:45.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah i hate windows file transfer |
| 01:45.22 | Arrowmaster | smbfs/cifs |
| 01:46.09 | Tem | erg |
| 01:46.12 | Tem | I give for now |
| 01:46.23 | Tem | oh, one more try |
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| 01:47.48 | Arrowmaster | wait is that right? |
| 01:48.04 | Arrowmaster | im seeing 8% network utilzation in taskmanager |
| 01:49.29 | Corrodias | omg panic |
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| 03:17.25 | Syzgyn | Whats the best way to go about replacing the content of one of the UI frames? Say, the new pet frame. |
| 03:20.48 | Arrowmaster | generally the best way is to not do it |
| 03:21.30 | Arrowmaster | especially with stuff close to secure stuff |
| 03:24.28 | Syzgyn | Hm, is that secure stuff? |
| 03:24.56 | Arrowmaster | the equipment slots on the character frame are |
| 03:25.33 | Syzgyn | But not the pet stuff |
| 03:25.42 | Tekkub | pet stuff isn't, no |
| 03:26.26 | Arrowmaster | but the pet stuff is in the same frame |
| 03:26.40 | Tekkub | same panel, different frame |
| 03:26.46 | Syzgyn | ^ |
| 03:27.01 | Syzgyn | I'd be suprised if I got taint issues from it |
| 03:27.07 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt |
| 03:27.10 | Tekkub | just be wary that you could, in theory, break somehting |
| 03:27.14 | Syzgyn | Granted |
| 03:27.28 | Syzgyn | I guess the best bet would be to change/replace the frames and keep the names the same? |
| 03:27.32 | Tekkub | what exactly you plannin? |
| 03:27.45 | Syzgyn | a scroll frame list instead of pages |
| 03:27.48 | Arrowmaster | anything you do will have a chance to taint |
| 03:28.05 | Tekkub | ah, I'd just make a new frame and overlay it over that |
| 03:28.13 | Syzgyn | Sounds good |
| 03:28.15 | Tekkub | don't touch the existing frame |
| 03:28.19 | Syzgyn | Just hide it all |
| 03:28.23 | Tekkub | aside from parenting of course |
| 03:28.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, 1777 +heal on beta.. |
| 03:28.29 | Syzgyn | Alright |
| 03:28.35 | Syzgyn | That sounds easier too :) |
| 03:32.19 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: your server seems slower than usual, or my connection is |
| 03:36.25 | batrick | http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg254/Fuegoz/1221876274357.jpg |
| 03:36.31 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: ok its not my connection, single connection download really was slower than usual since 2 files at once maxed my connection |
| 03:53.54 | Cairenn | reservations for dinner made |
| 03:58.27 | Tekkub | Beni for sures? |
| 03:58.31 | Cairenn | yes |
| 03:58.36 | Tekkub | kew |
| 03:58.39 | Cairenn | yes |
| 03:58.44 | Tekkub | now go rent us a bus |
| 03:58.53 | Cairenn | much tearing out of hair and cussing, but yes, all reserved now |
| 03:59.19 | Cairenn | they didn't want to take our reservation |
| 03:59.21 | Tekkub | you know you want a bus |
| 03:59.25 | Tekkub | heh |
| 03:59.37 | AnduinLothar | they didnt? |
| 03:59.40 | Cairenn | but they were willing to take reservations for four groups of 10 |
| 03:59.45 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 03:59.53 | Tekkub | I had a felling that's how it would end up |
| 03:59.57 | AnduinLothar | not at the same table i guess |
| 04:00.04 | Tekkub | their tables are 10-seaters aren't they? |
| 04:00.08 | Cairenn | it's "because we might not be able to seat four tables together all at the same time" |
| 04:00.18 | Cairenn | 8-10, yes |
| 04:00.28 | AnduinLothar | isn't that the point of a reservation? |
| 04:00.32 | Tekkub | yea, I thought that's how they did it |
| 04:00.55 | Tekkub | Boyd went and said they seated him and his bitch with 2 other couples |
| 04:01.21 | Cairenn | so if we get any more people that sign up last minute, they want us to call for a 5th table and they'll make it so that there is only 8 at each table instead |
| 04:01.40 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: I know, that was my point too |
| 04:01.56 | Cairenn | wtf is the difference between one group of 40 at 7 pm and four groups of 10 at 7 pm |
| 04:02.11 | Cairenn | but whatever, I don't care |
| 04:02.26 | Tekkub | if they have a table that doesn't turnover in the time they noramally plan, then you're only delaying 10 instead of 40 |
| 04:02.39 | Cairenn | pretty much, yeah |
| 04:02.58 | Tekkub | they're a little odd in how they do shit |
| 04:03.12 | Cairenn | we weren't going to all be able to be at a single table anyway |
| 04:03.20 | Tekkub | they probably wouldn't do 40 because their system probably won't LET them overbook tables |
| 04:03.20 | Cairenn | not with 40 of us, wouldn't matter where the hell we went |
| 04:03.46 | Cairenn | Tekkub: they will, the one in LV seated 45 together |
| 04:03.56 | Cairenn | single reservation |
| 04:04.13 | Tekkub | did they treat that as an "event" though? |
| 04:04.18 | Cairenn | nope |
| 04:04.21 | Tekkub | hum |
| 04:04.26 | Tekkub | *shrug* |
| 04:04.32 | Cairenn | doesn't matter, ultimately |
| 04:04.35 | Tekkub | just thinking of how clubdining works |
| 04:04.43 | Tekkub | I hate working on that site :) |
| 04:04.52 | Tekkub | country clubs are picky bitches |
| 04:09.00 | Dewin | It's a bad thing when the PTR is more stable than your regular server, right? |
| 04:13.20 | Syzgyn | You'd think with the guarantee of 40 people coming and buying food, they'd be more helpful getting it setup |
| 04:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: maxing out my line |
| 04:13.51 | Arrowmaster | was only giving me a little over half |
| 04:14.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Roughly what? |
| 04:14.23 | Arrowmaster | 400 |
| 04:15.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I shall poke |
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| 04:16.28 | Dewin | http://i33.tinypic.com/156amav.jpg |
| 04:16.45 | Dewin | my very-much-still-work-in-progress addon. Any questions/comments/etc? |
| 04:17.18 | Dewin | Besides "why is it so big" and "why is it right smack in the middle of the screen", answer: I haven't written the positioning code yet |
| 04:19.48 | Syzgyn | Whats the text on the right side? |
| 04:23.30 | Dewin | +703 is the last gain/loss to whatever |
| 04:23.50 | Dewin | and then the state (Normal, Rested, Capped, Trainable (for tradeskills within 25 of max), or the various reputation levels |
| 04:24.14 | Syzgyn | Whats shown for a tradeskill thats < 25 from max? |
| 04:24.23 | Arrowmaster | heh xfire says i hit 7600 hours of WoW on friday |
| 04:24.38 | Dewin | Szygyn: just Normal |
| 04:24.44 | Syzgyn | A |
| 04:24.45 | Syzgyn | h |
| 04:24.46 | Dewin | Well, depending on what you have things set to |
| 04:24.49 | Dewin | it's all customizable |
| 04:24.54 | Syzgyn | Looks good so far |
| 04:24.54 | Dewin | oh |
| 04:24.57 | Dewin | better picture: http://i37.tinypic.com/ir5il3.jpg |
| 04:25.17 | Syzgyn | Nice |
| 04:25.27 | Syzgyn | I've got a suggestion for a feature if you're interested |
| 04:25.27 | Dewin | I was rather surprised to discover my lv65 pet gets 703 XP per kill on a lv69 mob. |
| 04:25.31 | Dewin | Shoot. |
| 04:25.37 | Syzgyn | more of an option really, but |
| 04:25.49 | Dewin | there's a decent chance it's already planned, but fire away |
| 04:26.00 | Syzgyn | Have an option to have bars display from 0 to total possible, not total of that level |
| 04:26.08 | Syzgyn | for example, rep would be neutral to exalted |
| 04:26.21 | Syzgyn | XP could be 0 to 80 |
| 04:26.26 | Dewin | I thought about doing something like that. |
| 04:26.34 | Dewin | It'd have to be another type of 'renderer' so to speak. |
| 04:26.37 | Dewin | but it could be done. |
| 04:26.45 | Dewin | But... rep would have to be from hated to exalted or something |
| 04:26.48 | Syzgyn | You couldnt just change the min/max? |
| 04:27.07 | Syzgyn | Maybe hated to neutral and neutral to exalted |
| 04:27.15 | Dewin | the display and the events that update it are isolated enough where it wouldn't really work |
| 04:27.19 | Syzgyn | Ahh |
| 04:27.34 | Syzgyn | Oh well, worth a thought at least |
| 04:27.38 | Dewin | All's the display code knows is "value=1638 max=3000 state=4 name=Booty Bay" |
| 04:27.48 | Dewin | I had thought about it, but decided it wasn't worth it (yet) |
| 04:27.59 | Dewin | Though in the reputation case, the table of reputation per level is already there |
| 04:28.25 | Dewin | It has to be actually, since I parse COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE rather than rescanning the entire rep list (in case you're watching a rep that's actually hidden) |
| 04:28.41 | Dewin | It only rescans the rep list at start time |
| 04:28.55 | Syzgyn | XP is relatively easy to make a table of too |
| 04:29.05 | Arrowmaster | do you only care about the rep that your watching? |
| 04:29.06 | Tekkub | uhm... there's API to get the watched faction's info |
| 04:29.21 | Dewin | Arrowmaster: http://i37.tinypic.com/ir5il3.jpg |
| 04:29.29 | Dewin | this can watch more than one rep at a time |
| 04:29.54 | Dewin | you could even set up 3 rep bars that autoswtich to the 3 most recently changed reputations |
| 04:29.56 | Tekkub | ah, not sure why you would care about more than one at any given time though |
| 04:29.59 | Arrowmaster | you really should be rescanning the entire rep list |
| 04:30.17 | Arrowmaster | since spillover doesnt get reported by any of the events |
| 04:30.27 | Dewin | I have code that handles the spillover just fine |
| 04:30.35 | Tekkub | plus the changes aren't so frequent that it's costly |
| 04:30.35 | Dewin | sec |
| 04:30.44 | Dewin | every fight, if you're fighting things that give rep |
| 04:30.48 | Dewin | + the rep list is... weird |
| 04:30.55 | Tekkub | you're weird |
| 04:31.35 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96879-3r84 |
| 04:31.50 | Dewin | There's no way to guaruntee that a given faction is actually *on* the rep list at any time. |
| 04:33.43 | Tekkub | ugh, ye old "don't take a gathering skill if you don't plan on farming" approach doesn't work on NR |
| 04:33.57 | Tekkub | noone needs gold, so noone farms and AHs shit |
| 04:34.18 | Dewin | try PTR, it's worse I bet |
| 04:34.23 | Dewin | people selling silverleaf for 100g a stack |
| 04:34.33 | Tekkub | PTR doesn't have northrend mats at all |
| 04:34.40 | Dewin | true. |
| 04:35.04 | Tekkub | I brought over plenty of not-NR herbs |
| 04:35.17 | Dewin | I have no idea how I'm going to add tradeskills to this >.> |
| 04:36.05 | Dewin | Also: you can have individual bars fade after awhile of no activity, etc. |
| 04:36.18 | Dewin | (which will cause the rest of them to collapse down) |
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| 04:37.37 | Tekkub | so just did the math with what I copied over on this toon in gold (10k) and the number of stacks I forsee needing (I want to test my leveling guide)... |
| 04:37.49 | Tekkub | and I'm willing to pay 625g/stk for NR herbs |
| 04:37.59 | Tekkub | why does that make me fell dirty? |
| 04:38.03 | Tekkub | *feel |
| 04:41.16 | Dewin | because you're worried about gold that's even more fictitous than regular WoW gold? |
| 04:41.26 | Quaiche | LOL |
| 04:41.44 | Quaiche | Beta Gold is somehow less valuable than Live Gold |
| 04:41.52 | Tekkub | not really worried, just trying to figure out how much I can spend to get what I need... |
| 04:42.01 | Tekkub | cause the AH is all over the place :P |
| 04:42.01 | Dewin | Quaiche: Yes, because imaginary worthlessness < real worthlessness |
| 04:42.13 | Quaiche | lol |
| 04:42.18 | Lukian | <Dewin> try PTR, it's worse I bet <- and people giving away free inscriptions |
| 04:42.27 | Dewin | I've seen the free ones too |
| 04:42.37 | Lukian | I'd love to see that happen on live! |
| 04:42.49 | Dewin | It probably will |
| 04:42.56 | Dewin | when you gotta spam 25 of something for skillups |
| 04:43.06 | Lukian | lol XD |
| 04:43.18 | Tekkub | you don't make 25 of the same leveling |
| 04:43.18 | Dewin | you can either give them away or have them cluttering your inventory because you can't sell them for jack after 500 other people are trying to sell the same things |
| 04:43.24 | Dewin | figurative! |
| 04:47.14 | kd3 | rofl. I wonder how far I can take this jormungar? |
| 04:55.33 | kd3 | whee, took a jormungar from the north end of stormpeaks to K3... wonder if'll it'll make it to dalaran? |
| 04:59.03 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 04:59.05 | ScytheBlade1 | How'd you do that? |
| 04:59.18 | kd3 | it doesn't have a zone restriction |
| 04:59.27 | kd3 | and is capable of attacking anything |
| 04:59.34 | kd3 | rofl, gotta report this >.< |
| 04:59.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Where is it currently? |
| 04:59.50 | kd3 | about to hit dalaran |
| 05:00.54 | Syzgyn | Is it beastly? |
| 05:01.57 | kd3 | 5.7-7.4k regular attacks, can do a dot for 3700+1300 every 2 |
| 05:02.48 | Syzgyn | goddamn |
| 05:03.42 | kd3 | I think it's only got a 10 minute life, but still. hax |
| 05:04.12 | Arrowmaster | jormungar? |
| 05:04.20 | kd3 | the big wyrm things |
| 05:04.22 | kd3 | think dune |
| 05:04.37 | Arrowmaster | i havent even been in northrend yet on beta |
| 05:04.42 | Tekkub | think outlands with a different skin :P |
| 05:05.14 | Tekkub | well, the NR ones don't tunnel do they? |
| 05:09.11 | Syzgyn | They do |
| 05:11.52 | Seerah | Is there any way to hook OnShow *every* time :Show() is called (even if the frame is already shown)? |
| 05:13.06 | Seerah | I tried creating a post-hook and saving the original :OnShow(), but when I tried to call the original, I got "attempt to call upvalue oldShow a nil value" or some such... |
| 05:13.15 | Syzgyn | I think you'd have to hook into every function that calls it |
| 05:13.20 | Seerah | (working with GameTooltip) |
| 05:13.25 | Syzgyn | ah |
| 05:13.46 | Syzgyn | what're you trying to do |
| 05:13.47 | Syzgyn | ? |
| 05:13.49 | Seerah | where GameTooltip:Show() is called whenever someone adds something to the tip |
| 05:14.38 | Syzgyn | but OnShow isnt? |
| 05:14.40 | Arrowmaster | you want to 'hook' OnShow when :Show() is called???? |
| 05:14.44 | Seerah | I have the health bar moved inside the tip, and I resize the tip to fit the bar in. But if another addon, like MobSpells, adds text after that and calls GameTooltip:Show(), then the healthbar overlaps the text |
| 05:15.25 | Seerah | note, this doesn't happen all of the time. the Blizzard feedback line shows up just fine in the tip, as does the line from nQuestLog |
| 05:15.40 | Syzgyn | I have no idea :\ |
| 05:16.25 | kd3 | any locks on northrend alliance? |
| 05:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone jave a lock that we can abuse real quick? |
| 05:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 05:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | +1 other to summon |
| 05:17.08 | Arrowmaster | Seerah: OnSizeChanged(self, width, height) |
| 05:17.50 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb warlock x1 northrend alliance pst |
| 05:18.28 | Seerah | please elaborate, arrowmaster :) |
| 05:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | For the curious |
| 05:18.31 | ScytheBlade1 | The idea is this: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Wrath/WoWScrnShot_092708_230947.jpg |
| 05:18.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Only over in a newbie 70 zone |
| 05:18.54 | Arrowmaster | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnSizeChanged |
| 05:19.09 | Arrowmaster | that should be fired if the size is changed from adding to the tooltip |
| 05:20.06 | Seerah | lol - after you mentioned it, I went to the widgets listing page and started to search for onsizechanged, came up with nothing so asked :) |
| 05:21.24 | Seerah | I see it now in script handlers |
| 05:21.26 | Seerah | thanks :) |
| 05:21.32 | Seerah | ~hug Arrowmaster |
| 05:21.33 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Arrowmaster and suddenly hugs Arrowmaster tightly |
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| 05:26.45 | Seerah | oops, that's not going to work, I think.... When it gets resized, I resize it again, which makes it call the script over and over and over :P |
| 05:26.58 | Seerah | I get to freeze my client with an infinite loop :D |
| 05:27.04 | Arrowmaster | so has there been any news about wotlk ce preorders? as in did any places actually confirm being able to get more and open preorders again after the first 2 days? |
| 05:33.08 | Neuro_Medivh | All wotlk cd preorders were replaced with Paws & Claws: Pet Vet, due to demand |
| 05:33.17 | Neuro_Medivh | s/cd/ce/ |
| 05:33.41 | Neuro_Medivh | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__49-jAxaAtg/SN2iPLYiFWI/AAAAAAAAAEs/_O6BYTcEqUA/s1600-h/fail-owned-wow-substitution-fail.jpg |
| 05:35.22 | Syzgyn | ~fail Neuro_Medivh |
| 05:35.23 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Neuro_Medivh. I hate you because you fail. |
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| 06:04.48 | kd3 | sbo; http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Wrath/WoWScrnShot_092708_235521.jpg is win |
| 06:06.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 06:06.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Should all be uploaded now |
| 06:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557069966&sid=2000#5 |
| 06:08.24 | Xinhuan | i saw that thread before, but it isn't useful |
| 06:08.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Wrath/WoWScrnShot_092708_235301.jpg |
| 06:08.33 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ^ |
| 06:09.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Xinhuan: in any case it's changed since I poked with it, I'll poke more when I get some time |
| 06:09.25 | kd3 | yup |
| 06:09.34 | Xinhuan | ScytheBlade1, what i'm seeing now is, threat info is updated regularly, but only if you're in combat with it |
| 06:09.54 | Xinhuan | its kinda fail |
| 06:10.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is not what I was seeing when I had kd3 blast a mob |
| 06:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't get any threat data on it -at all- |
| 06:10.39 | Xinhuan | huh |
| 06:10.44 | Duman | were you in combat w/ it? |
| 06:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I tested both yes and no |
| 06:10.56 | Duman | weird |
| 06:11.02 | ScytheBlade1 | No threat data unless it was threat against me |
| 06:11.03 | kd3 | I was seeing threat numbers with tekkub's little test-case mod |
| 06:11.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is entirely useless |
| 06:11.18 | kd3 | even numbers in the 40% range |
| 06:11.22 | Xinhuan | tekkub's test case mob only checks yourself vs your target - which is of course accurate |
| 06:11.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I'm turning mine on now |
| 06:11.36 | Xinhuan | what i'm saying is, i can't get the threat details of other ppl on a mob unless i'm in combat with it |
| 06:11.52 | Xinhuan | having my pet in combat with it doesn't even count |
| 06:12.01 | Xinhuan | i get no threat details until i hit the mob at least once |
| 06:12.14 | Xinhuan | only thereafter, my pet's threat is given and updated regularly (pet's tanking) |
| 06:13.33 | Xinhuan | actually ScytheBlade1, mind coming over outside valiance keep? |
| 06:14.14 | ScytheBlade1 | bah the tundra sucks :P |
| 06:14.38 | Xinhuan | i haven't uh explored anything outside the first 50 yards of the keep ;p |
| 06:14.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Somehow I'm not surprised |
| 06:14.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It's still incredibly ugly though |
| 06:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm headed over |
| 06:16.16 | Xinhuan | PM instead |
| 06:16.18 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 06:24.27 | Neuro_Medivh | it's sad that Howling Fjord is the better looking of the two entry zones, yet BT is the better designed |
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| 06:40.27 | ScytheBlade1 | zzzzzzz |
| 06:41.53 | Duman | hmm |
| 06:46.39 | Thunder_Child | RAWWWWWR, STUPID PEOPLE MAKE THUNDER_CHILD SMASH! |
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| 06:52.26 | AnduinLothar | me too TC, I'm alergic |
| 06:53.33 | Thunder_Child | wtb restaining order on stupid people, no more than 3000 miles from the gene pool |
| 06:54.26 | Thunder_Child | s/more/closer/ |
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| 07:06.07 | Neuro_Medivh | wow.... Icecrown is full of AWESOME |
| 07:11.48 | Fisker- | why so mean? |
| 07:12.02 | Thunder_Child | becaue i can be? |
| 07:12.08 | Thunder_Child | because* |
| 07:13.13 | Syzgyn | Is there some horizontal bar texture I can use easily somewhere? |
| 07:13.32 | Syzgyn | (That matches the blizzard frames) |
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| 07:43.34 | Cairenn | In the file description: "Anyway here it is. Don't have time for an addon list." |
| 07:43.34 | Cairenn | My PM to them: "If you don't have time to give credit to the people whose actual work you are using, we don't have time to approve it. When you are ready to give them the proper credit, whether by a list in your file description or by including a screenshot of your addon folder, feel free to resubmit it, we'll find the time to approve it then." |
| 07:43.50 | Cairenn | I hate people |
| 07:45.51 | Corrodias | yay compilations? |
| 07:46.09 | Corrodias | does someone download those? |
| 07:46.25 | Cairenn | yup, they do |
| 07:47.03 | Corrodias | those poor people... |
| 07:47.20 | Cairenn | just really pisses me off when people can't be bothered to give credit to those that have done the actual work |
| 07:47.55 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 07:49.54 | Dewin | so.. if you can't RegisterForClicks() on a frame, how do you set it to get mouse events? |
| 07:50.21 | Corrodias | :EnableMouse() or something |
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| 07:50.51 | Dewin | that's probably it |
| 07:51.06 | Dewin | ... o.baseFrame:EnableMouse(true) |
| 07:51.08 | Corrodias | Frame:EnableMouse(enableFlag) - Set whether this frame will get mouse input. |
| 07:51.10 | Corrodias | yes indeed |
| 07:51.12 | Dewin | something else is not working then |
| 07:51.18 | Dewin | wait |
| 07:51.37 | Dewin | If I have a frame ontop of another frame, and the top frame is not enableMouse but the bottom frame is, will the bottom frame receive the clicks? |
| 07:51.39 | Corrodias | ah, rabies. how's my favorite horrible night elf doing? still playing? |
| 07:51.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah |
| 07:51.59 | Corrodias | it should, Dewin |
| 07:52.09 | Dewin | Okay. Time to figure out why this hates me then :) |
| 07:52.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll probably pick my account up again for wotlk |
| 07:52.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | is anything worth anything mats wise anymore |
| 07:52.43 | Tekkub | define anything and anything |
| 07:52.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | arcane dust or like |
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| 07:53.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | motes |
| 07:53.14 | Tekkub | now, probably, after wrath, doubtful |
| 07:53.24 | Corrodias | i don't know, i stopped playing a few months ago |
| 07:53.29 | Tekkub | I've emptied out all my toons since I won't really be on live till wrath drops |
| 07:54.25 | Tekkub | the outland enchant mats might bounce back, I don't know how many wrath enchants replace outland ones |
| 07:54.41 | Tekkub | the 60 mats sold for decent, sometimes more than the outland ones did |
| 07:56.15 | Tekkub | time to break tekkub.net trying to get capistrano working.. huzzah! |
| 07:56.21 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 07:58.16 | Dewin | Hmmm... |
| 07:58.22 | Dewin | wel when I moved my thingies they stayed together |
| 07:58.26 | Dewin | until I tried to resize them... |
| 07:59.16 | Corrodias | haha, you fool |
| 07:59.27 | Corrodias | resizing only leads to ruin |
| 07:59.38 | Dewin | MY PRECIOUS FRAMES! |
| 08:00.01 | Dewin | actually, moving the top frame breaks its anchoring to the bottom frame too. |
| 08:00.29 | Sixen | http://photos.commongate.com/11/36710_gl1r5pwgac_l.jpg -- win. |
| 08:00.53 | Dewin | I thought mounts were lv30 |
| 08:00.56 | Dewin | *flees* |
| 08:01.15 | Corrodias | what's this? did it change? |
| 08:01.19 | Dewin | Okay, I think I'll ask for advice on this one. |
| 08:01.41 | Dewin | I have a series of frames. They're arranged in one large rectangle. |
| 08:01.55 | Dewin | I want them to resize together, as if I was scaling the large rectangle instead |
| 08:02.12 | Dewin | of course I think I have to fake this, but any ideas how? |
| 08:02.13 | Slakah | Give them a parent |
| 08:02.26 | Slakah | and scale that? |
| 08:02.29 | Sixen | Old pic then. |
| 08:02.32 | Sixen | Mounts are @ 30. |
| 08:02.47 | Dewin | Hmm... scaling it would work |
| 08:02.50 | Dewin | but not really |
| 08:02.55 | Dewin | Because I might add more items to this at the same time |
| 08:03.30 | Dewin | I somehow don't think the widget functionality is smart enough to even pretend |
| 08:03.47 | Corrodias | your mom is smart enough to pretend |
| 08:05.09 | Dewin | hmmm |
| 08:05.46 | Dewin | Is it bad to do a:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", b, "BOTTOMLEFT") and then turn around and do b:SetPoint("BOTTOMLEFT", a, "TOPLEFT")? |
| 08:06.50 | Xinhuan | the game won't allow you |
| 08:06.57 | NightHawkTheSane | sapph is a hell of a fight >< |
| 08:07.00 | Xinhuan | it'll complain about circular dependency |
| 08:07.15 | Dewin | boo. |
| 08:07.30 | Xinhuan | before they added the checks, it used to crash wow ;p |
| 08:07.37 | Dewin | even better! |
| 08:07.39 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 08:07.42 | Dewin | since apparently moving and sizing frames breaks their attachments |
| 08:07.47 | Slakah | yup |
| 08:08.04 | Xinhuan | it shouldn't |
| 08:08.09 | Xinhuan | unless you did something wrong |
| 08:08.16 | Slakah | Depends which frame you drag |
| 08:08.18 | Xinhuan | all depends on how you setpointed them |
| 08:08.46 | Xinhuan | note that if you dragged frameA via an OnDragStart handler, when it finishes, the game automatically does a :ClearAllPoints() on said frame |
| 08:08.58 | Xinhuan | and then setpoints it to the nearest UIParent point |
| 08:09.18 | Xinhuan | the same also happens if you use :StartMovingOrSizing() |
| 08:09.35 | Xinhuan | on the frame that is called, that is |
| 08:10.03 | Dewin | that's highly annoying, heh. |
| 08:10.09 | Xinhuan | not really |
| 08:10.19 | Xinhuan | the fact is, you dragged frameA, you expect frameA to stay where it is |
| 08:10.27 | Dewin | true. |
| 08:10.31 | Xinhuan | if it was attached to frameB, frameB dosen't move |
| 08:10.39 | Dewin | I kind of wanted everything frameA was attached to to drag together |
| 08:10.44 | Dewin | though... now that I think about it |
| 08:10.47 | Dewin | that'd move UIparent |
| 08:10.52 | Xinhuan | everything that is a CHILD of frameA would move |
| 08:10.53 | Xinhuan | with frameA |
| 08:10.57 | Xinhuan | but not frameA's parents |
| 08:11.21 | Dewin | Maybe I'll just have to fake it >.> |
| 08:11.24 | Corrodias | damn slutty frameA |
| 08:11.34 | Xinhuan | what you want is probably a "OnMouseDown" handler that does self:GetParent():StartMovingOrSizing() |
| 08:11.41 | Xinhuan | and a similar OnMouseUp handler |
| 08:11.52 | Dewin | They're not parented though is the problem |
| 08:11.58 | Xinhuan | doesn't matter |
| 08:12.02 | Xinhuan | just move the correct frame |
| 08:12.13 | Xinhuan | what you want is probably a "OnMouseDown" handler that does frameA:StartMoving() |
| 08:12.20 | Dewin | yup. |
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| 08:12.24 | Corrodias | i've gotten frames stuck on my cursor before, if i was dragging them when i got put into combat |
| 08:12.24 | Xinhuan | then a OnMouseUp handler that does frameA:StopMovingOrSizing() |
| 08:12.27 | Dewin | though the sizing() thing is a bit more complicated |
| 08:12.28 | Corrodias | how do you prevent that? |
| 08:12.41 | Xinhuan | Corrodias: that happens if the frame you dragged gets hidden while dragged |
| 08:12.48 | Xinhuan | so the onmouseup never occurs |
| 08:12.53 | Xinhuan | to stop moving the parent frame |
| 08:13.05 | Corrodias | well, i think i've had that happen too maybe, unable to click anything on my UI |
| 08:13.08 | Xinhuan | it happened in omen usually, because the bar you were dragging disappeared (cos the mob died) |
| 08:13.19 | Xinhuan | and the bar you dragged then disappeared |
| 08:13.26 | Dewin | Ick, these things can hide themselves, that is baad. >.> |
| 08:13.41 | Xinhuan | i added code to omen such that if any bar hides, it stops moving the parent lol |
| 08:13.43 | Dewin | well I can temporarily turn off the hideableness |
| 08:13.56 | Dewin | or that |
| 08:14.03 | Xinhuan | its a bit more complex than that |
| 08:14.11 | Xinhuan | because omen itself can auto hide on any number of conditions |
| 08:14.17 | Xinhuan | such as leaving raid/party/entering town |
| 08:14.27 | Xinhuan | and autocollapse optins |
| 08:14.30 | Xinhuan | options |
| 08:14.37 | Xinhuan | as well as auto hide if there are 0 bars of threat to show |
| 08:14.56 | Xinhuan | and almost every part of omen was hooked to be draggable to drag OmenAnchor ;p |
| 08:16.00 | Dewin | btw |
| 08:16.15 | Xinhuan | basically, you need to add a OnHide handler to StopMovingOrSizing() the parent |
| 08:16.17 | Dewin | do GetWidth() and GetHeight() inside OnUpdate() get the correct width/height of a frame that's being resized? |
| 08:16.35 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 08:16.40 | Xinhuan | you can even setwidth/height |
| 08:16.55 | Xinhuan | say, to force the height to be 32 pixels |
| 08:17.04 | Xinhuan | so effectively only the width is resizable |
| 08:17.09 | Dewin | so I can use that to manually position child frames i.e. to force them to all be parentheight/numchildren tall. |
| 08:17.16 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 08:17.22 | Xinhuan | but if you setpointed your children properly |
| 08:17.27 | Xinhuan | they should auto resize by themselves |
| 08:17.38 | Xinhuan | i.e your child has the correct LEFT and RIGHT anchors for eg |
| 08:17.40 | Corrodias | setpointing your children will only drive them farther away |
| 08:17.52 | Corrodias | next thing you know, you'll be in a Home and they'll be spending your retirement savings |
| 08:17.55 | Dewin | top/bottom is the bigger issue. |
| 08:18.05 | Xinhuan | soemtimes its not feasible/doable |
| 08:18.13 | Xinhuan | so you will need a OnSizeChanged handler on the frame |
| 08:18.19 | Xinhuan | which resizes all the children properly |
| 08:18.19 | Dewin | they stack on top of each other: http://i37.tinypic.com/ir5il3.jpg |
| 08:18.25 | Xinhuan | (dont' use an Onupdate!) |
| 08:18.31 | Xinhuan | use the OnSizeChanged handler! |
| 08:18.38 | Dewin | gotcha :) |
| 08:19.02 | Xinhuan | OmenAnchor uses that to redraw all its children bars |
| 08:19.17 | Dewin | At the end of stopmovingorsizing, what point gets setpointed to uiparent? |
| 08:19.18 | Xinhuan | since it has to know the size to figure out how many bars to show |
| 08:19.31 | Xinhuan | it depends on which corner or side it is closest to |
| 08:19.37 | Dewin | Ah. |
| 08:19.48 | Dewin | So I'll have to figure out how to 'fix' it |
| 08:19.50 | Xinhuan | if you want it to be consistent, you will need to do your own adjustments with GetTop() and GetLeft() |
| 08:19.57 | Xinhuan | and then claerallpoints |
| 08:20.00 | Xinhuan | and reanchor it |
| 08:20.04 | Xinhuan | to TOPLEFT |
| 08:20.12 | Xinhuan | or BOTTOMLEFT if you want your frame to grow upwards |
| 08:20.18 | Dewin | I was just about to say that ;0 |
| 08:20.20 | Xinhuan | again, check the code in omen Frame.lua ;p |
| 08:20.30 | Dewin | will do that tomorrow. |
| 08:20.45 | Dewin | For now, I should go to bed |
| 08:20.47 | Xinhuan | that one took me a day to fix cos antiarc didn't forsee some bugs :< |
| 08:20.52 | Dewin | I was hoping this would be easier heh. |
| 08:21.32 | Dewin | Stay tuned for next time, where Dewin asks: "How the hell do I make a popup menu with submenus and sliders and color pickers?!" |
| 08:21.42 | Xinhuan | oh dear |
| 08:21.43 | Dewin | (config ui, bleh) |
| 08:21.54 | AnduinLothar | what're you trying to do? |
| 08:22.11 | AnduinLothar | resize subframes dynamically? |
| 08:22.29 | Dewin | Yes |
| 08:24.11 | Dewin | I was going to have it where you resize one and it'd just propogate that sizing to all of its friends |
| 08:24.21 | Xinhuan | one of the main issues with all these frame point manipulations is mainly with eepanels/kgpanels |
| 08:24.22 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 08:24.31 | Xinhuan | where you start reparenting stuff |
| 08:24.55 | AnduinLothar | FluidFrames has a dynamic resizing component |
| 08:25.04 | Xinhuan | and some of these scripts have to happen before/after the addon's initializations |
| 08:25.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: .. er, why cant you just anchor your other frame TO the frame your resizing? |
| 08:25.41 | AnduinLothar | but yeh it's a bit complicated |
| 08:25.47 | Dewin | No guaruntee as to which of the multitude will be resized :) |
| 08:25.49 | Xinhuan | NightHawkTheSane, that's not possible if your main window has a flexible number of subframes :) |
| 08:26.04 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. ahh |
| 08:26.05 | Dewin | Really the subframes are the only window, there is no parent |
| 08:26.08 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough |
| 08:26.09 | Xinhuan | say threat meter, or damage meter, where the main window size determines how many "rows" you want to display |
| 08:26.15 | Xinhuan | you can't setpoint LEFT and RIGHT |
| 08:26.20 | Dewin | there's an 'anchor' that's used to attach the first subframe |
| 08:26.24 | Xinhuan | hence a OnSizeChanged handler is needed |
| 08:26.24 | Dewin | but that's it |
| 08:26.37 | Xinhuan | to resize all the children and show/hide those rows as needed |
| 08:26.48 | Dewin | Main window size doesn't need to determine how many rows in my case |
| 08:26.57 | Xinhuan | some of these even can show "multiple columns" which makes it even more complex |
| 08:27.02 | Dewin | Number of rows is semi-constant, it's only increased/decreased by user saying "Create another reputation bar" |
| 08:27.17 | Dewin | but all child frames should be the same size |
| 08:27.47 | Dewin | wow, this is already up to 1.5 KLoC |
| 08:28.11 | Dewin | oh |
| 08:28.19 | Dewin | just 1.0k |
| 08:28.31 | Dewin | Had the older code before I split it into multiple files and made it modular still |
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| 08:28.52 | Dewin | anyways, I sleep now |
| 08:28.58 | Xinhuan | so far, Omen3 is less than 500 lines ;p |
| 08:29.08 | Dewin | for wow 3.x? |
| 08:29.10 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 08:29.14 | Dewin | nice. |
| 08:29.17 | Xinhuan | i started writing it today |
| 08:29.23 | Dewin | Well, that'd be why :) |
| 08:29.35 | Xinhuan | well, i'm encountering stupid issues though |
| 08:29.53 | Xinhuan | right now, blizzard doesn't give you any threat numbers or details until you engage a mob (get on its threat list) |
| 08:30.03 | Xinhuan | so if your main tank attacks a mob/boss |
| 08:30.04 | AnduinLothar | there was one built into the code a few patches back. Someone made it into an addon already i think |
| 08:30.07 | Xinhuan | u can't see his threat |
| 08:30.16 | Xinhuan | AnduinLothar, its probably broken by now |
| 08:30.27 | AnduinLothar | why's that? |
| 08:30.28 | Xinhuan | a patch or 2 ago, you could query any unit's threat on any unit |
| 08:30.31 | Xinhuan | now you can't |
| 08:30.33 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 08:30.37 | Xinhuan | you can only query mobs YOU are in combat with |
| 08:30.46 | Xinhuan | and only IF you have a valid unitid on it |
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| 08:31.00 | Xinhuan | this means you can't tell how much threat your pet or main tank has |
| 08:31.09 | Xinhuan | until you start attacking/healing |
| 08:31.22 | Xinhuan | see the problem? |
| 08:31.48 | Xinhuan | the API just returns all nils, until you get on the mob's threat list |
| 08:31.56 | Xinhuan | and no, entering combat by sending your pet in first doesn't count |
| 08:32.11 | Xinhuan | you actually still have to generate some threat first, such as self-buffing |
| 08:32.32 | Xinhuan | if you body pull though, it counts (0 threat is returned, rather than nil) |
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| 08:33.02 | Xinhuan | so anyway, this means syncing will be required if you want to know your tank's threat before you start attacking |
| 08:33.59 | Xinhuan | also AnduinLothar, blizz already removed their built in one ;p |
| 08:35.57 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, so... the Mechachopper is entirely too much fun |
| 08:36.33 | Xinhuan | is that in wintergrasp |
| 08:36.49 | Xinhuan | the one that can shield itself to become untargettable for 10 seconds? |
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| 08:39.20 | Neuro_Medivh | No, it's the engineer made mount |
| 08:39.36 | Neuro_Medivh | it's a motorcycle with sidecar |
| 08:39.53 | Neuro_Medivh | and racing it around dalaran is so much fun |
| 08:40.18 | Neuro_Medivh | since there's that big loop, I could definately see a Dalaran 500 type event =) |
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| 09:38.32 | ZorbaTHut | I don't suppose anyone knows of a few timed quests that I'm unlikely to have done? or timed dailies? |
| 09:39.28 | nevcairiel | brewfest daily |
| 09:39.36 | nevcairiel | is a timed |
| 09:39.45 | nevcairiel | the one where you have to run through ironforge |
| 09:40.25 | zenzelezz | there's also the Torga one, escorting the turtle through Tanaris |
| 09:44.58 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, that oughta work. thanks :) |
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| 10:36.55 | AnduinLothar | do any class have a good splash healing that is centered on the target and not the caster? |
| 10:37.09 | AnduinLothar | i seem to remember a priest spell or tallent to that effect |
| 10:37.31 | sb | shaman, chainheal!? |
| 10:37.39 | Stanzilla | circle of healing? |
| 10:37.48 | sb | yup, and priest coh |
| 10:37.50 | AnduinLothar | chainheal isn't really what i mean |
| 10:37.58 | sb | priest coh then :p |
| 10:38.08 | AnduinLothar | what's the amount of splash? |
| 10:38.20 | AnduinLothar | and is it used a lot or just gimmicy? |
| 10:38.49 | sb | only effective when spamming |
| 10:39.08 | AnduinLothar | how much does it heal for? |
| 10:39.19 | sb | ~1.1k / target |
| 10:39.21 | sb | noncrit |
| 10:39.34 | AnduinLothar | cast time? |
| 10:39.41 | sb | instant, no cooldown |
| 10:39.57 | AnduinLothar | hax |
| 10:40.03 | AnduinLothar | high mana? |
| 10:40.14 | AnduinLothar | 450... not too bad |
| 10:40.36 | AnduinLothar | basically an aoe targeted flash |
| 10:41.28 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, ok well that's not original then. holy pallies need a new way to aoe heal... |
| 10:43.27 | AnduinLothar | hmmm, what if you could cast beacon of light on multiple people.... and it just divided the healing received by the number of people it was cast on.... and lasted longer... maybe 5min |
| 10:44.24 | AnduinLothar | then you could put it on like a whole party and heal everyone at the same time... |
| 10:45.52 | AnduinLothar | ooo or how about a synergy spell.... every crit FoL or Holy Light does 100% splash healing... |
| 10:46.03 | foxlit | Getting flexibility right would be tricky there |
| 10:46.29 | foxlit | You don't want to end up in a situation where you beacon 5 people before the boss fight, then replace yourself with a dunking bird to hit HL every few seconds |
| 10:47.00 | AnduinLothar | that's what you're doing now except it's a drinking bird on crash flashing |
| 10:47.18 | AnduinLothar | crack* |
| 10:47.30 | foxlit | You'd at least have to target people? :) |
| 10:47.56 | AnduinLothar | the problem atm is that it's basically impossible to heal through any kind of aoe damage without running out of mana rediculously fast |
| 10:48.20 | AnduinLothar | pallies are pretty good at targetting and flashing and changing targets while it's casting |
| 10:48.52 | AnduinLothar | but if the dmg gets high you have to use hasted holy lights which atm cost 1200 mana |
| 10:49.20 | AnduinLothar | you can get off about 10-15 before going oom |
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| 10:50.40 | AnduinLothar | having it be splash healign would give oyu some leway, so you jsut target either the person int eh middle or the person with the lowest hp and splash them |
| 10:51.09 | AnduinLothar | if it were like 5yd splash you'd still have to retarget unless everyone was standing on top of eachother |
| 10:51.38 | AnduinLothar | and if it only splashes on crit that means more motivation for synergy with illumination |
| 10:52.00 | AnduinLothar | and divine favor |
| 10:55.33 | vithos | that sounds kind of scary. like it might add a lot of randomness into whether people live or die :P |
| 10:55.43 | vithos | but i'm not a healer |
| 10:55.56 | AnduinLothar | sure, but that adds to the excitement ;) |
| 10:56.06 | AnduinLothar | pallies are already crit dependant |
| 10:56.12 | AnduinLothar | in holy and ret |
| 10:57.44 | vithos | crits = mana for holy right? |
| 10:57.53 | AnduinLothar | 60% mana back |
| 10:58.18 | AnduinLothar | so it doesn't really mean mana back, just means a cheeper heal |
| 10:58.54 | elite3vil | unless you have DI up. |
| 10:59.01 | elite3vil | and then you *do* get mana back. =P |
| 10:59.03 | vithos | that's a bit different though. you're depending on crits over the course of a few minutes to not go oom rather than depending on them for a few seconds to heal a bunch of people before the next AoE damage hits |
| 10:59.05 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 10:59.08 | AnduinLothar | 10% mana back |
| 10:59.45 | elite3vil | rank 5 HL spam is win |
| 10:59.59 | AnduinLothar | well think of it this way: we dont have any aoe atm.... so if all our crits also heal people around us that's a little bit less healing we have to do to them |
| 11:00.27 | AnduinLothar | which makes spamming flash a viable thing to to for aoe healing |
| 11:00.52 | elite3vil | It'd be nice if paladins had the shaman talent that heals the next lowest target whenever they crit with LHW or HW |
| 11:02.00 | vithos | i can imagine there's plenty of situations where any way to AoE heal would be better than none, i'd just be scared blizzard might go ahead and design more content that ended up depending on crit luck to heal through if it was implemented (i.e. in 5man content where it's not a matter of assigning different healers to different things) |
| 11:02.40 | Fisker- | Is beacon of light still fucked? |
| 11:03.26 | AnduinLothar | fucked? it seems to work as intended |
| 11:03.35 | AnduinLothar | it's not very effective tho |
| 11:03.42 | Fisker- | Last i heard overheals is not passed to the second target |
| 11:03.47 | vithos | though i guess there's no point in trying to predict oversights that haven't happened yet |
| 11:03.49 | AnduinLothar | oh, yes that's true |
| 11:03.56 | Fisker- | Then still fucked >:E |
| 11:04.14 | AnduinLothar | sure, but that's as intended |
| 11:04.55 | Fisker- | Shouldn't be |
| 11:05.16 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 11:08.00 | AnduinLothar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9651235242&postId=104720416093#434 |
| 11:09.29 | Fisker- | Holy paladins seems to be largely as ignored as the EU forums |
| 11:09.42 | Fisker- | And they even made other classes buffs only 1 use for a whole raid |
| 11:09.46 | Fisker- | giev fix for blessings |
| 11:09.55 | AnduinLothar | yeah wtf |
| 11:10.00 | nevcairiel | blessings cant be fixed like that =P |
| 11:10.08 | Fisker- | they can |
| 11:10.08 | AnduinLothar | well they did at least make less blessings.... |
| 11:10.11 | Fisker- | just have to change blessings |
| 11:10.26 | Fisker- | I was thinking they made Wisdom and Might benefit all classes |
| 11:10.28 | ZorbaTHut | in theory they could make polymorphic blessings that change behvaior based on the target |
| 11:10.32 | AnduinLothar | only having 3 blessings is way easier to manage |
| 11:10.34 | ZorbaTHut | but, ugh |
| 11:10.38 | nevcairiel | they should remove blessings, paladings always fail at properly managing them anyway |
| 11:11.00 | ZorbaTHut | they should add more complicated blessings, to add more difference between good players and bad players :D |
| 11:11.15 | AnduinLothar | that's because the mechanic was retarded and the permutations were ridiculous |
| 11:11.23 | Fisker- | Of course i already suggested to Blizzard that they should change might/wisdom so it affected all classes in a useful way, and then make them raid blessings |
| 11:11.26 | elite3vil | nevcairiel: People just need to suck less and get ZOMGBuffs... makes blessings sooo much easier. |
| 11:11.28 | Fisker- | but of course i'm EU |
| 11:11.54 | AnduinLothar | shouldn't need an addon for buffs... seriously |
| 11:11.56 | nevcairiel | They read EU too, they just dont respond there |
| 11:12.15 | Fisker- | Nah |
| 11:12.16 | nevcairiel | probably because the devs have no accounts on eu forums =P |
| 11:12.18 | Fisker- | They just say they do |
| 11:12.38 | nevcairiel | or write a suggestion ingame |
| 11:12.39 | AnduinLothar | blizz policy has always been that if it requires an addon to play, either absorb the addon or fix the mechanic |
| 11:12.40 | elite3vil | AnduinLothar: When you have to give eight 10 minute blessings, it makes life a bit easier. |
| 11:12.42 | Fisker- | Devs have accounts on all forums |
| 11:13.06 | AnduinLothar | i know it does, but that's dumb |
| 11:13.13 | AnduinLothar | it was broken |
| 11:13.17 | AnduinLothar | they made it better |
| 11:13.18 | nevcairiel | with salv gone its at least one blessing less for everyone =P |
| 11:13.22 | AnduinLothar | and light |
| 11:13.25 | AnduinLothar | and sanct |
| 11:13.32 | nevcairiel | light is gone? |
| 11:13.33 | Fisker- | sanctuary is still there |
| 11:13.39 | elite3vil | sanct is still there, and buffed bigtime. |
| 11:13.42 | elite3vil | light is gone |
| 11:13.49 | Fisker- | that's also fun |
| 11:13.52 | AnduinLothar | light was included into all healign spells |
| 11:13.54 | Fisker- | the KZ libram hasn't been changed |
| 11:13.55 | Fisker- | gg |
| 11:14.09 | AnduinLothar | i got a 15k holy light crit yesterday |
| 11:14.20 | nevcairiel | sanct is only a tank blessing, wouldnt worry about it =P |
| 11:14.21 | Fisker- | hax |
| 11:15.04 | AnduinLothar | so anyway 4 blessings, 1 of which is only used on tanks |
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| 11:15.17 | Fisker- | Also they fucked up bigtime on BoK |
| 11:15.21 | Fisker- | gg on making it a 5 pointer |
| 11:15.26 | AnduinLothar | yeah that tallent is dumb |
| 11:15.33 | elite3vil | lol. I won't have enough talents to get it as prot. >.> |
| 11:15.47 | AnduinLothar | no one is ever gonna use it as just 2% |
| 11:15.58 | AnduinLothar | except maybe lvl 11 |
| 11:16.02 | Fisker- | You might see idiots with it :D |
| 11:16.07 | Fisker- | Which is also bad |
| 11:16.12 | Fisker- | cause then you have to ask if people are idiots etc. |
| 11:16.23 | AnduinLothar | yeah, they need to fix that |
| 11:16.37 | AnduinLothar | i do like that it's tier 1 tho |
| 11:16.38 | ZorbaTHut | argh. I need a timed quest that isn't a daily that I haven't already done :( |
| 11:16.53 | AnduinLothar | means anyone with 5 extra points can get it |
| 11:16.55 | Fisker- | I think they should just make it base |
| 11:17.04 | AnduinLothar | maybe |
| 11:17.14 | Fisker- | Then we got 3 "talented" blessings |
| 11:17.17 | Fisker- | 1 for each tree |
| 11:17.20 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: i can give a suggestion if you want to make a new character |
| 11:17.25 | ZorbaTHut | any suggestions? rare timed quests? or just plain timed quests I haven't thought of? (I already did Tooga) |
| 11:17.34 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, unfortunately, the bug I'm tracking seems to only show up if I have a lot of quests |
| 11:17.43 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 11:17.56 | ZorbaTHut | and I also don't want to spend a lot of time leveling a new character ;) |
| 11:18.08 | nevcairiel | the brewfest quest didnt work? |
| 11:18.19 | zenzelezz | ZorbaTHut: there's also the escort in Ruins of Ravenwind (Feralas), escort a night-elf to a rock giant |
| 11:18.22 | Arrowmaster | was going to say theres a timed quest in crossroads to goto thunderbluff, which is perty low to get to quickly |
| 11:18.23 | ZorbaTHut | nev, the first one doesn't actually have a timer, it just has a timed buff |
| 11:18.39 | ZorbaTHut | I haven't tried the actual daily, but I suspect it's the same |
| 11:18.46 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: it does have a timer for me =P the one where you have to run through the city and bark soem advertisement |
| 11:18.49 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, I'll go check that one out |
| 11:18.55 | ZorbaTHut | nev, can you cancel it and retry it if you fail? |
| 11:18.56 | Fisker- | Anyways AnduinLothar suggest some of all that on the US forums |
| 11:19.00 | Fisker- | then we might actually get it implemented |
| 11:19.07 | AnduinLothar | that is the US forums |
| 11:19.09 | nevcairiel | ZorbaTHut: i suppose, i never failed |
| 11:19.17 | AnduinLothar | it's the beta forums |
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| 11:20.21 | Fisker- | I can only access the EU forums :( |
| 11:20.50 | Zeksie | and noone reads them.. |
| 11:21.11 | Fisker- | indeed Zeksie |
| 11:21.12 | ZorbaTHut | well, hrm. I'll see. |
| 11:21.13 | Fisker- | my friend |
| 11:21.19 | nevcairiel | even i dont, why do you bother posting =P |
| 11:21.40 | Zeksie | i don't any more :) |
| 11:21.42 | nevcairiel | use bug tool, ingame suggestion |
| 11:22.21 | Fisker- | Everything i post on the forums i also post in the feedback tool |
| 11:22.21 | Zeksie | if there was any indication that that did anything, people might be more inclined to. but there's never any feedback from it. |
| 11:22.28 | Fisker- | it seems to be read equally as much as the EU forums |
| 11:22.44 | nevcairiel | they just hate you Fisker- |
| 11:22.54 | nevcairiel | as do we, btw |
| 11:23.03 | Fisker- | np |
| 11:23.05 | Fisker- | it's mutual etc. |
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| 11:23.44 | ZorbaTHut | hmmm |
| 11:24.05 | ZorbaTHut | if I'm debugging a plugin by doing Brewfest quests, am I morally obligated to drink beer while I do it? |
| 11:24.13 | AnduinLothar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532276726&postId=104720416136#6 |
| 11:25.24 | Stanzilla | ewww |
| 11:25.58 | Kaso | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7636577.stm - This is fucking nuts, saw the show on tv the other day with the full footage, crazy as hell |
| 11:26.04 | Fisker- | ~kiss Stanzilla |
| 11:26.05 | purl | ACTION forces Stanzilla to give Aiiane a big kiss on the neck |
| 11:26.27 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 11:26.29 | Fisker- | yay AnduinLothar you just increased the chances infinitely of getting the changes implemented |
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| 11:27.19 | Fisker- | WIN |
| 11:27.23 | Fisker- | why did they stop the camera? |
| 11:27.52 | Kaso | because they're pussies, if you're in UK the full is on iPlayer |
| 11:28.09 | Fisker- | damnit |
| 11:28.11 | Kaso | you can see her getting caught up in the lorries tires and everything >< how they ever survived is beyond me |
| 11:28.15 | Fisker- | you better stream it and record it |
| 11:28.37 | Kaso | actually i download from iplayer cant i |
| 11:28.44 | Kaso | thanks to the wonderful iphone interface |
| 11:29.02 | AnduinLothar | orly? |
| 11:29.14 | AnduinLothar | i dont even know what iplayer is.. |
| 11:29.35 | Kaso | Its BBC's web based TV on Demand service |
| 11:29.37 | Fisker- | iplayer is just some media stuff for UK |
| 11:29.45 | Fisker- | But only uk residents can see it |
| 11:30.14 | AnduinLothar | so how does the iphone fix that? |
| 11:30.23 | Fisker- | ifail is popular |
| 11:30.33 | Fisker- | so it's pretty normal to offer specific services to popular fail shit |
| 11:30.34 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 11:30.59 | Kaso | it doesnt stop the uk only thing, but because the iphone requires plain mp4 videos, by spoofing useragents and various other clever stuff you can download straight mp4 files rather than the encrypted flash stream on the website |
| 11:31.17 | Kaso | So then i can cut the section out and upload for Fisker- ! |
| 11:31.20 | ZorbaTHut | oh boy a day in prison, I'm sure that's going to matter for someone who's obviously suicidal/insane |
| 11:31.50 | AnduinLothar | plainly suicidal, not neccissarily insane |
| 11:31.56 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 11:32.06 | Fisker- | apparently one of those women also killed a man and jumped off a bridge |
| 11:32.08 | Fisker- | and survived |
| 11:32.13 | AnduinLothar | O.o |
| 11:32.14 | Kaso | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXmM4z-EpM (someone beat me to it) |
| 11:32.28 | Kaso | full video ^ |
| 11:32.41 | Fisker- | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.expressen.se%2FNyheter%2F1.1313894%2Fmotorvagstvillingen-haktad-for-knivmord&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=sv&tl=en |
| 11:32.41 | Fisker- | lulz |
| 11:33.27 | Kaso | holy crap |
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| 11:37.32 | AnduinLothar | full movie does make them seem pretty deranged |
| 11:37.50 | Industrial | :( I didnt want to see this :( |
| 11:38.20 | AnduinLothar | why not? disturbed you, has it?? |
| 11:38.51 | ZorbaTHut | wonder what the deal was |
| 11:39.04 | Fisker- | swedes are usually retarded |
| 11:39.47 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 11:40.20 | AnduinLothar | according to MANswers swedish girls are the most likely to have sex on the first date... |
| 11:41.00 | Industrial | http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/1683/gnomeflightqj3.jpg |
| 11:41.05 | Industrial | have some cute. |
| 11:41.13 | Kaso | it makes it all better |
| 11:41.14 | ZorbaTHut | aww |
| 11:41.20 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 11:41.22 | ZorbaTHut | it's like a tribble with a face |
| 11:41.31 | ZorbaTHut | and big floppy ears |
| 11:41.48 | Kaso | "people of nordic extraction have a special ability known as Berserker Rage, gives you stat boosts like mad" |
| 11:41.49 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not quite sure why it's called "gnomeflight" though |
| 11:41.55 | Kaso | lol i feel bad for laughing at that |
| 11:42.15 | AnduinLothar | apparently... |
| 11:42.21 | AnduinLothar | str, stam, speed... |
| 11:42.34 | Industrial | int-1000 |
| 11:42.36 | AnduinLothar | intellegence didn't seem to get boosted tho |
| 11:42.39 | AnduinLothar | ya |
| 11:42.55 | p3lim | how do I create a diff file |
| 11:43.09 | Industrial | by googleing first |
| 11:43.31 | AnduinLothar | here, have some funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzToNo7A-94 |
| 11:43.40 | Kaso | diff file1 file2 > diffs.txt ? |
| 11:43.51 | Industrial | im going to googleslap you every time you dont google first, p3lim; which is practically every day. |
| 11:44.02 | p3lim | Industrial: :D |
| 11:44.16 | Industrial | I'm snerious. |
| 11:44.24 | p3lim | Kaso: im running winxp |
| 11:44.47 | Kaso | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/diffutils.htm |
| 11:44.49 | Kaso | that was hard |
| 11:46.00 | AnduinLothar | "YOU KNOW YOU NEED A COVER SHEET ON YOUR TPS REPORT, DAVID! THAT AIN'T NEW!" |
| 11:48.42 | clad|away | !gl how do i create a diff on windows xp |
| 11:48.43 | batbot | clad|away: Windows Vista: Compare editions <http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/compare-editions/default.aspx> |
| 11:48.47 | clad|away | shocking.. |
| 11:48.52 | clad|away | completely way off :P |
| 11:49.24 | Fisker- | That's not even the correct answer |
| 11:49.41 | Fisker- | Not even on the first page of google with that query |
| 11:49.49 | Fisker- | omg batrick is funded by microsoft |
| 11:49.49 | Fisker- | !1 |
| 11:49.51 | Tifi | p3lim, are you using tortoisesvn? |
| 11:49.57 | Arrowmaster | !wiki diff |
| 11:50.01 | AnduinLothar | !gl diff on windows |
| 11:50.02 | batbot | AnduinLothar: DiffUtils for Windows <http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/diffutils.htm> |
| 11:50.03 | Arrowmaster | no !wiki? |
| 11:50.09 | p3lim | Tifi: yes |
| 11:50.11 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 11:50.31 | Tifi | i has a built-in diff function |
| 11:50.33 | Arrowmaster | i know for a fact the wiki page for diff is quite extensive |
| 11:50.39 | p3lim | yeah but i need a local diff |
| 11:50.43 | Tifi | s/i /it / |
| 11:50.50 | Tifi | mh k |
| 11:51.07 | Arrowmaster | all VCS have diff function |
| 11:51.42 | p3lim | not possible to do anything with Notepad++? |
| 11:51.55 | p3lim | got DiffUtils now tho |
| 11:54.35 | p3lim | who do i get gnuwin32 at all? that site is more or less crap |
| 11:56.49 | Kaso | you mean how? |
| 11:57.30 | Kaso | i'd click the "Setup" link in the "Download" column in the "Complete package, except sources" row myself |
| 11:58.56 | Stanzilla | ~fail p3lim |
| 11:58.56 | purl | p3lim: FAIL! |
| 12:07.29 | foxlit | hm, I wonder to what extend subqueries work in mysql |
| 12:07.56 | foxlit | Contemplating doing SELECT meh FROM foo WHERE id IN (SELECT bar FROM zoo) |
| 12:16.39 | p3lim | thottbot dead? |
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| 12:45.35 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 12:46.39 | haste | ~ugt |
| 12:46.39 | purl | rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 12:51.23 | Fogger | #wowuidev-overflow?? |
| 12:51.48 | nevcairiel | i suppose you forgot to register before |
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| 13:23.59 | durcyn | foxlit: it works if you rewrite it as a join, never futzed with extends |
| 13:25.00 | nevcairiel | foxlit: that sort of subquery is pretty fast in mysql, in my experience better then the other syntax versions |
| 13:25.28 | foxlit | nev: it also doesn't work the way I want |
| 13:25.34 | nevcairiel | it doesnt? |
| 13:25.43 | nevcairiel | which mysql version? =P |
| 13:26.11 | nevcairiel | I used queries like that and it worked fine |
| 13:26.43 | foxlit | There's a slight specific that I may have missed out in the example |
| 13:27.02 | foxlit | WHERE id IN (SELECT id FROM table LIMIT 2) |
| 13:27.53 | nevcairiel | did you do a explain on the query and see if it looked sane? ;) |
| 13:28.32 | foxlit | Nope |
| 13:28.45 | foxlit | I ended up splitting it into two |
| 13:28.55 | foxlit | The problem is, 5.0 doesn't support that LIMIT |
| 13:29.42 | foxlit | So while I could do it using JOIN, it seemed like too much trouble |
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| 14:30.12 | Fogger | bah, I added my identify to the Perform on connecting to Freenode, it does identify me correctly, but I still get sent to #wowuidev-overflow :\ |
| 14:30.51 | Fisker- | because it has mode +f enabled |
| 14:30.54 | zenzelezz | does your client wait for the identify to return success before sending the channel join? |
| 14:30.58 | Fogger | ah, its doing it after connecting to channel, how useless :P |
| 14:32.07 | cladhaire | You should send it as the serve password |
| 14:32.09 | Fogger | using mirc, not sure how I can tell it wo wait for identify before joining |
| 14:32.13 | cladhaire | that auto identifies you |
| 14:32.17 | cladhaire | just use server password |
| 14:32.19 | cladhaire | as your nickserv pass |
| 14:33.43 | Fogger | ah, i see |
| 14:33.48 | Fogger | here goes. |
| 14:34.11 | Fisker- | if anyone asks it was Shiibot |
| 14:34.29 | cladhaire | You only slap me when you want Poonanny |
| 14:34.34 | Fisker- | >:3 |
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| 14:47.19 | Fogger | well, I tried adding pass to server & channel, neither worked, eventually got it working by removing the Auto-connect on the channels & adding the connects in the Perform script. |
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| 15:01.52 | Shirik | !quit |
| 15:02.13 | Shirik | just adjusting the core :P we're +r anyway |
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| 15:03.19 | Shirik | back to sleep |
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| 15:06.16 | foxlit | Teehee |
| 15:06.34 | ShaneSveller | Anyone encountered problems with RatingBuster (specifically TipHooker lib) on Beta? |
| 15:06.53 | nevcairiel | I bet you try to run the libs stand alone |
| 15:07.53 | ShaneSveller | Actually, here's the thing. |
| 15:08.12 | ShaneSveller | Running standalone ace2 and bugsack/buggrabber + ratingbuster (wotlk version off of WoWInt) works dandy. |
| 15:09.05 | ShaneSveller | I have no other copies of TipHooker or Ace2 anywhere, but when I enable the rest of my addons, one FUBARs it |
| 15:09.54 | ShaneSveller | pastey: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96893 |
| 15:10.40 | Stanzilla | do you run the wotlk version of ace2? |
| 15:11.41 | ShaneSveller | I believe so, but I'll double check. |
| 15:12.00 | ShaneSveller | It's from WAU |
| 15:13.13 | Stanzilla | the wotlk version is in branches |
| 15:13.24 | Stanzilla | I think |
| 15:13.32 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster knows best |
| 15:13.34 | ShaneSveller | oh, alrighty, |
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| 15:26.16 | molgar | hi all, anyone know if its possible to make a "scrollingMessageFrame" as a "list" , so i can sort each line, and highlight the line i want ? or do i use another tool then ScrollingMessageFrame for this ? |
| 15:26.25 | foxlit | gr, Apache's ErrorDocument requires a full path to the handler, and I want it to swallow a relative path |
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| 16:00.07 | Gnarfoz | cladhaire: could you make Cliques config window close itself on entering combat? :< |
| 16:00.20 | cladhaire | erm |
| 16:00.23 | cladhaire | i _could_ i guess |
| 16:00.53 | Gnarfoz | like bar mods lock their movement and unitframes also cancel their config modes |
| 16:01.22 | Gnarfoz | I just tried to bind some low-rank heals between trash pulls, got into combat, clicked a spell to bind it: boom, wow client locked up :> |
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| 16:12.20 | cladhaire | it locked up? |
| 16:12.28 | cladhaire | that definitely should not have happened |
| 16:12.29 | cladhaire | :P |
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| 16:20.47 | Gnarfoz | cladhaire: well, it did :( |
| 16:22.49 | steev | are you fucking kidding me |
| 16:22.59 | steev | i hit harder on live than i do on the ptr now as ret |
| 16:23.56 | steev | im *critting* with crusader strike for 650 |
| 16:25.45 | steev | this is 4/5 t4, with the glyph of crusader strike, and a glyph of judgement, and judgments are only hitting for 300 crit |
| 16:25.57 | steev | gg, welcome to death knight |
| 16:26.17 | cbreak | mages are the true dps :) |
| 16:27.05 | nevcairiel | steev: you must be doing something wrong. all rets i talked to are quite happy |
| 16:27.38 | Tornhoof | the glyph vendor isn't on the ptr/beta yet is he? |
| 16:30.48 | molgar | maby i formulated this abit messy, but i want the scrollingmessage frame as a "list" so i can click on the "text line" like links with HyperlinkClick(), anyone know how to do this ? |
| 16:32.58 | steev | nevcairiel: i was - this just has been happening since i logged in today |
| 16:33.55 | cbreak | so your damage sank without any patch? |
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| 16:47.56 | steev | hot damn |
| 16:48.02 | steev | yes... because i fucking fail |
| 16:48.08 | steev | i was attacking the level 80 target dummies |
| 16:48.16 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:48.31 | molgar | msg NickServ IDENTIFY molgar |
| 16:48.35 | molgar | w/c |
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| 16:48.46 | zenzelezz | tell me your password isn't the same as your nick... |
| 16:49.04 | molgar | hmm, no lol |
| 16:49.12 | nevcairiel | not anymore? ;) |
| 16:49.44 | molgar | well it never bin, but yeah im abit new to mirc so not rly have any idea what im doing |
| 16:49.56 | molgar | trying >< |
| 16:52.01 | steev | woot |
| 16:52.06 | steev | killed myself on the test dummy |
| 16:52.23 | molgar | in the #lua channel it says i need to be IDENTIFY to talk , but i registered, and tryed the /msg NickServ IDENTIFY cmd with username and pw, but it only says : NickServ- You are already logged in as molgar., and nothing more hapends, still getting the mdg :( |
| 16:52.32 | zenzelezz | steev: how? o_O |
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| 16:54.37 | steev | seal of the martyr |
| 16:54.52 | steev | and not paying attention |
| 16:54.58 | matt1s | What would be the best setup to use as few keys as possible to reach as many button slots as possible? |
| 16:55.02 | steev | im on the ptr witha buddy and was talking to him |
| 16:55.06 | nevcairiel | molgar: well you are not actually logged in .. /msg nickserv identify <yourpass> should do that .. maybe try reconnecting then loging in |
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| 16:55.25 | nevcairiel | molgar: well somehow you managed to get into this channel too, and it requires you to login |
| 16:55.27 | nevcairiel | so weird :D |
| 16:55.48 | steev | nevcairiel: you don't have to be logged in to join this channel |
| 16:55.56 | nevcairiel | you do |
| 16:55.58 | nevcairiel | its +r |
| 16:56.01 | steev | weird |
| 16:56.47 | nevcairiel | i think it forwards you to #WoWUIDev-overflow or something if you are not |
| 16:56.50 | steev | then again, im always registered because when im in gentoo-dev i can't change my nick unless im registered |
| 16:57.02 | steev | oh, duh, thought i was in wowace :-P |
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| 17:01.41 | Xinhuan | does anyone know if the 4 commander rank mounts (require 75 riding) are the "same mounts" in wrath as the same 4 mounts you can purchase with pvp tokens (require 150 riding)? |
| 17:02.52 | nevcairiel | if they are different items before, probably still different afterwards |
| 17:04.43 | Xinhuan | its a different item, but different items might teach the same spell |
| 17:04.50 | Xinhuan | a notable example is the enchants from aq40 |
| 17:05.04 | Xinhuan | they are different from the same ones they added to the vendors |
| 17:05.12 | Xinhuan | but they teach the same enchant to the enchanter |
| 17:07.38 | zenzelezz | in the case of the enchants I guess that's so they could add a reputation requriement to the vendor ones, without ruining the ones still dropping in AQ... are there any similar requirements on the mounts? |
| 17:08.28 | Xinhuan | the rank 11 ones require only 75 riding |
| 17:08.34 | Xinhuan | and run at 100% |
| 17:08.47 | Xinhuan | after honor system was removed, it was changed to be bought with tokens |
| 17:08.52 | Xinhuan | and those require 150 riding |
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| 17:49.24 | molgar | can i make a cmd linke this ? function ClaOptionSMF1_OnHyperlinkClick() |
| 17:49.24 | molgar | Hyperlink:Show() |
| 17:49.24 | molgar | end |
| 17:49.51 | molgar | function ScrollingMessageFrameName_OnHyperlinkClick() |
| 17:49.51 | molgar | Hyperlink:Show() |
| 17:49.51 | molgar | end |
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| 18:05.06 | foxlit | http://www.kongregate.com/games/Coolio_Niato/light-bot << amusing |
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| 18:12.04 | matt1s | I want to move the frame that shows information when I hover over something (it's now in the bottom right corner of my screen). Is there an addon that allows me to do that? |
| 18:12.27 | kd3 | that's the 'tooltip'. any tooltip mod can do that |
| 18:13.37 | matt1s | thanks |
| 18:18.41 | Dewin | Hmm. I was just the 100th member into a guild, should I feel special? lol |
| 18:31.11 | Atriace | ~seen beladona |
| 18:31.13 | purl | beladona <n=Beladona@24.129.136.26> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 19d 1h 49m 35s ago, saying: 'which is nice'. |
| 18:32.10 | matt1s | anyone using dominos? I'm trying to figure out how to show empty buttons yet hide the action bars I'm not using |
| 18:32.24 | Tuller_ | did you try the options menu? |
| 18:32.36 | Tuller_ | and read the tooltips in config mode? :P |
| 18:33.32 | matt1s | ah hah |
| 18:33.34 | matt1s | :-) |
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| 18:34.13 | ccox|sleep | has anyone been prospecting on the LK beta? I need to confirm if they've taken out all the powders, or did they leave in adamantite powder? |
| 18:34.38 | Random | hmmm |
| 18:34.48 | Random | the channel blizzard got boring so i decided to come here |
| 18:35.20 | Duman | lol tuller ;) |
| 18:35.50 | matt1s | Tuller_: Is it possible to show three bars, then select bar 1 with shift+1 and use 1, 2, 3, 4 etc on that bar. Then hit shift+2 and select bar 2, then use 1, 2, 3, 4 etc on that bar? |
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| 18:36.15 | Tuller_ | have you tried doing exactly that? |
| 18:36.44 | Duman | tuller: I'm confused on your first comment about exiting vehicles... do you mean for the UI there is no obvious way? I mean, you can just call VehicleExit() |
| 18:36.54 | Tuller_ | no secure command |
| 18:37.04 | Duman | oh? hmm |
| 18:37.16 | Tuller_ | I'm sure /run vehicleexit will be blocked |
| 18:37.23 | matt1s | Tuller_: I am trying to figure out how to do it yeah, I want all three bars to be shown at all times |
| 18:37.29 | Duman | i could have sworn I've done a /script VehicleExit() in combat, but maybe I'm high |
| 18:37.41 | Tuller_ | shown at all times: no |
| 18:37.58 | Tuller_ | but you can have bar 1 show the buttons on bar 2 or 3 via shift + number |
| 18:38.44 | Tuller_ | about to make a /run vehicleexit command to test the theory |
| 18:39.06 | matt1s | yeah, but I'd like to change bars with shift+1 / +2 etc, then change the pages on all three bars at once with a stance change |
| 18:39.33 | Tuller_ | so you want shift + 1 + shift +2 to mean different htings when in different stances? |
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| 18:40.17 | Shirik | rawr |
| 18:40.19 | matt1s | not really, I just want shift+1 +2 etc to select a bar where the usual 1, 2, 3 etc buttons would operate on |
| 18:40.51 | matt1s | then hit another stance and all the three bars change pages, but I'd still use shift+1, +2 etc to select the bars |
| 18:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://notalwaysright.com/tech-support-tier-666/1247 |
| 18:41.36 | Dewin | so you want a combination between action bar pages and stance paging? |
| 18:42.25 | matt1s | kind of, but then again it's not. In a sense shift+1, +2, +3 would remap keys 1, 2, 3, 4 etc to another bar |
| 18:42.46 | matt1s | and a stance change, modifyer key etc would just change pages as normal |
| 18:42.58 | matt1s | s/modifyer/modifier |
| 18:43.52 | Dewin | So you'd have an action bar that's 1-= |
| 18:44.14 | matt1s | 1-=, not sure what you mean |
| 18:44.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: is that not incredible? |
| 18:44.22 | Dewin | and shift-1 could be keybound to select action bar page 1, shift-2 selects action bar page 2, etc. |
| 18:44.35 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 18:45.03 | Dewin | What addon, or is this something you're writing? |
| 18:45.40 | matt1s | Dewin: in a sense I would have three action bars with three pages each. Shift+1 would select action bar #1, shift+2 would select action bar #2. Keys 1, 2, 3 would operate on whatever action bar is selected |
| 18:45.49 | matt1s | No, I was just wondering if Dominos had something like that |
| 18:46.20 | Dewin | ohhh I see what you want. But you want all 3 to always be visible so you can still click the unbound buttons? |
| 18:46.22 | Tuller_ | basically: keys won't move in dominos, but what your buttons do can change |
| 18:46.39 | Tuller_ | he wants modal keybindings, I think |
| 18:46.47 | Tuller_ | vim for wow! :P |
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| 18:47.13 | matt1s | Dewin: sure, but the reason would be to be able to access a greater number of buttons with few keys |
| 18:47.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|Ghost: needs more screen + irssi |
| 18:47.34 | matt1s | Tuller_: I'm not sure what it's called :) |
| 18:47.36 | Dewin | matt1s: Do you ever *click* the buttons, or are you more a keyboard button masher like me? |
| 18:47.42 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I'm at the airport |
| 18:47.44 | Shirik | not going to bother now |
| 18:47.47 | Shirik | I give up |
| 18:47.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: all the more reason |
| 18:48.00 | matt1s | Dewin: I'm a keyboard button masher, I refuse to use the mouse :-) |
| 18:48.10 | Tuller_ | okay, basic tests show that ExitVehicle isn't secure |
| 18:48.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Tuller_: isn't secure or doesn't require a hardware event? |
| 18:48.32 | Dewin | And you're basically asking for 36 buttons (or so), with 12 at a time accessible, and changing between different groups of 36 for each stance? |
| 18:48.47 | matt1s | Dewin: yes exactly |
| 18:48.54 | Tuller_ | uhh, when I use /run Exitvehicle via a macro, it doen't blow up |
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| 18:49.02 | Shirik | try |
| 18:49.16 | Nechckn | mean old "no more Bongos" man! |
| 18:49.32 | matt1s | Dewin: But I'd only have like 3 bars with 6 buttons each, since I only use 1, 2, 3 ... 6 that are reachable |
| 18:49.37 | Duman | tuller isn't it VehicleExit? |
| 18:49.38 | Shirik | f = CreateFrame"FRAME"; f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() ExitVehicle(); end); f:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER"); f:Show(); |
| 18:49.41 | Shirik | and see if it yells :) |
| 18:49.44 | Dewin | matt1s: the specifics don't matter :) |
| 18:49.44 | Shirik | er |
| 18:49.48 | Shirik | change it to |
| 18:49.55 | Dewin | sec |
| 18:50.04 | Shirik | f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() ExitVehicle(); f:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil); end); |
| 18:50.45 | Dewin | matt1s: I don't use Dominos, but can it do custom state paging, i.e. where you type something like [stealth] [nostealth] (I forget the exact syntax atm) and get one row of buttons for when you're stealthed and then another for when you're not? |
| 18:51.16 | Dewin | If not, I know Macaroon can do it. |
| 18:51.36 | Dewin | Then your state pages would be something like... |
| 18:51.44 | Duman | wait, why is there both ExitVehicle() and VehicleExit() ? |
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| 18:52.15 | Duman | I've always had to use /script VehicleExit() as a command/macro |
| 18:52.22 | Duman | and I'm pretty sure it's NOT protected |
| 18:52.36 | Shirik|Ghost | when I get home tonight, ScytheBlade1, I need some testing done :) |
| 18:52.47 | Tuller_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.50 | Shirik|Ghost | There is a difference between being protected and requiring a hardware event |
| 18:52.51 | Dewin | [stance:1,actionbar:1] [stance:1,actionbar:2] [stance:1,actionbar:3] [stance:2,actionbar1].... |
| 18:52.54 | Shirik|Ghost | did that work, Tuller_? |
| 18:53.03 | Dewin | then you make Shift-1 select action bar page 1, etc. in your keybindings |
| 18:53.11 | Shirik|Ghost | did you even get my message? |
| 18:53.12 | Shirik|Ghost | (14:50:02) (@Shirik) f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function() ExitVehicle(); f:SetScript("OnUpdate", nil); end); |
| 18:53.13 | Shirik|Ghost | :( |
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| 18:53.46 | Industrial | stupid svdo cards. |
| 18:53.51 | Industrial | haha, fail me. |
| 18:53.57 | Shirik | ~fail Industrial |
| 18:53.57 | purl | Industrial, you Fail! |
| 18:54.30 | matt1s | Dewin: I'm thinking thinking thinking, I can't visualize how that would work |
| 18:54.34 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043170854#1 |
| 18:55.06 | Duman | I don't think "ExitVehicle()" exists -- unless that's your function |
| 18:55.18 | sb | mhh - whats the api function to eject other players? |
| 18:55.24 | sb | its not in that list :/ |
| 18:55.25 | Dewin | matt1s: You'll only have 6 buttons at a time. They'd have 9 different states: 1 for each combination of warrior stance and action bar page. Each action bar page is selected by shift-# |
| 18:55.33 | Duman | you can only eject the vendor |
| 18:55.44 | sb | uhm - but that doesnt work yet :p |
| 18:56.25 | matt1s | Dewin: ah I see, but this would still only be one bar right? It's the closest to what I want though, but I'd like to view all the pages at all times |
| 18:56.44 | Dewin | The way to fake it if you want all the pages visible |
| 18:57.05 | Dewin | Is to create this alongside the actual bars |
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| 18:57.13 | Tuller_ | Shirik: no blow up :P |
| 18:57.18 | Shirik | I give up |
| 18:57.23 | Dewin | if you can use action IDs, it'd be like |
| 18:57.26 | Shirik | I'm using screen now |
| 18:57.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: this is really why screen + irssi is win |
| 18:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 18:57.36 | Shirik | I need to get this card fixed |
| 18:57.40 | ScytheBlade1 | You took your time, but you came around |
| 18:57.45 | matt1s | Dewin: I think I understand what you're saying, would require alot of configuring though |
| 18:57.52 | Dewin | Yeah it would |
| 18:57.59 | Tuller_ | what I'm thinking of doing |
| 18:58.00 | Dewin | The other option, possibly |
| 18:58.10 | Dewin | Is to see if there is a slash command to rebind the buttons or something |
| 18:58.18 | Tuller_ | is overrriding the 12 button as a vehicle exit jamber |
| 18:58.19 | Shirik | I just hate the way irssi looks :P |
| 18:58.20 | Dewin | And make shift-1 a macro that rebinds them |
| 18:58.28 | Shirik | I like my beautiful nbswirc |
| 18:58.32 | matt1s | Dewin: it's possible, but not during combat afaik |
| 18:58.32 | Dewin | But... I don't think that works in combat unless implemented properly ;) |
| 18:58.35 | Shirik | nbsirc* |
| 18:58.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly my only gripe with it is accessing channels >5-6 |
| 18:58.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is solved by rebinding a few things |
| 18:58.47 | Dewin | PopupActions works in combat, so there's some way to do it |
| 18:58.59 | Shirik | why is that a problem? |
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| 18:59.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Hitting alt+0 sucks to do :P |
| 18:59.09 | Tuller_ | you can easily change bindings in combat |
| 18:59.13 | Tuller_ | well, by state |
| 18:59.14 | Shirik | alt+0? |
| 18:59.30 | matt1s | Dewin: would've been awesome if someone made a barmod / keybinding mod that could do this *wink wink hint hint* |
| 18:59.38 | Duman | heh |
| 18:59.49 | ScytheBlade1 | To switch to channel 10, for example |
| 18:59.54 | Dewin | matt1s: I can barely resize frames. I won't touch action bars :) |
| 19:00.15 | Shirik | I just use alt+left or alt+right |
| 19:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah but then jumping from 2 to 8 sucks |
| 19:00.45 | Shirik | maybe |
| 19:00.49 | matt1s | Tuller_: I heard the state system is getting totally revamped for wotlk, so I kind of stopped digging up information on the current implementation |
| 19:01.04 | Shirik | anyway, I need to get a few last minutes of charge so I'm going to turn off my laptop. See you all on the flip side |
| 19:01.33 | Fisker- | imma charging your batteries |
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| 19:01.46 | Dewin | imma chargin mah lazors |
| 19:01.51 | Duman | pew pew |
| 19:02.04 | Shirik | imma charging my kick button |
| 19:02.07 | Shirik | >.> |
| 19:02.28 | Fisker- | DO IT |
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| 19:03.04 | |Jelly| | imma chargin my ACE'D CONSPIRACY! |
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| 19:04.41 | Tuller_ | of course, the good option could be "make a possess bar" |
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| 19:07.25 | Fisker- | Tuller_ is great |
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| 19:10.16 | sb | mhhh.. dominos or bt4.... *sigh* :) |
| 19:10.57 | sb | Tuller doesnt have much time to code... but nev will be busy with new wowace stuff soon... so.. *sigh* :) |
| 19:10.58 | matt1s | tried both, I think Dominos suits my needs the best |
| 19:11.27 | sb | tell me about the differences |
| 19:11.33 | Tem | Tuller_, does dominos support vehicles yet? |
| 19:11.46 | Tuller_ | depends on what you mean by support |
| 19:12.15 | Tuller_ | your possess bar should change |
| 19:12.24 | kd3 | whee, right as I kill the iron colossus the world crashes |
| 19:12.24 | Tem | ah so it's just possess bar? |
| 19:12.44 | Neuro_Medivh | opinions on best DPS spec for DK at 80? |
| 19:12.48 | Dewin | kd3: It was the world colossus? |
| 19:12.52 | matt1s | sb: not sure actually =/ I just figured out something how to use Dominos to get what I want, but not sure if it's also supported by BT4 |
| 19:12.53 | Tem | ah so that was the reason I was stuck at the loading screen for 2m before going back to char select? |
| 19:13.14 | Tem | Neuro_Medivh, 51/13/7 is decent |
| 19:13.14 | Duman | heh |
| 19:13.33 | Neuro_Medivh | that's what I'm using now, but eveyrone says Unholy is the big dps build right now |
| 19:13.34 | Tem | Neuro_Medivh, I'm rather partial to 0/16/55 |
| 19:13.41 | Tekkub | so I had a ponder, tell me if it's totally pointless |
| 19:13.50 | Tuller_ | Tem: yeah |
| 19:13.59 | matt1s | Tuller_: is there a quick way to copy settings from one bar to another? |
| 19:14.13 | Tekkub | add a section to tekkub.net that takes TG guides, parses them out, makes a nice pretty page with wowhead links to the quests/etc |
| 19:14.18 | Tem | for tanking, I really like 9/11/51 |
| 19:14.30 | Tem | Tekkub, DO IT |
| 19:14.31 | Tekkub | OM TEM LIKES 9/11 |
| 19:14.40 | Tuller_ | matt1s: nope :P |
| 19:14.50 | Tekkub | you think it's a good idea Tem? |
| 19:14.56 | Tem | I think it's an awesome idea |
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| 19:15.14 | Tekkub | shuldn't be horribly hard either |
| 19:15.21 | Tem | just don't be lazy |
| 19:15.29 | Tem | do quest tooltips |
| 19:15.32 | Tem | and item tooltips |
| 19:15.48 | Tekkub | if I link to wowhead and use their lil JS, I'll get tooltips for every head link |
| 19:16.07 | Tekkub | it rocks, I've toyed with it before |
| 19:16.15 | Dewin | (0,0) is the lower left corner of the screen? Or the upper left? |
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| 19:16.53 | Tem | lower left |
| 19:16.56 | Dewin | thanks |
| 19:17.16 | Tem | actually |
| 19:17.23 | Tekkub | <o.O> is the top right though |
| 19:17.23 | Tem | there's no such thing as 0,0 |
| 19:17.42 | Tem | all positions are relative to another |
| 19:17.57 | Cide | sure there is |
| 19:17.57 | Tem | but positive X is right and positive Y is up |
| 19:18.03 | Dewin | That's why I had asked :) |
| 19:18.05 | Cide | 0,0 is the position of bottom left when you anchor to the screen |
| 19:18.15 | Dewin | anchored to UIParent, to be specific |
| 19:18.33 | Tem | Cide, and when do you anchor to the screen? |
| 19:18.51 | Cide | plenty of uses |
| 19:18.53 | Tem | or rather, When you anchor to the screen, how do you do it? |
| 19:19.15 | Tem | (specificly, what show me a sameple function call or <Anchors> tag) |
| 19:19.23 | Tem | s/meple/mple/ |
| 19:20.00 | Cide | you can't without specifying "BOTTOMLEFT", but that's mostly because of how the api is laid out |
| 19:20.08 | Cide | if you don't specify a relativepoint, it inherits from the point |
| 19:20.18 | Tem | well, that's what I meant |
| 19:20.32 | Dewin | wtb frame:SetRect() >.> |
| 19:20.42 | Dewin | (yes, I know I can do it with other functions) |
| 19:20.46 | Tem | Dewin, we have that |
| 19:20.53 | Tem | is called SetRectInsets |
| 19:21.05 | Tem | there aren't any coordinates that we have access to that aren't relative to a known position |
| 19:21.19 | Tem | (in terms of screen position, anyway) |
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| 19:21.39 | Tem | for all we care, that bottom left coord could be (-1245,11) |
| 19:21.53 | Tuller_ | actually correction |
| 19:22.02 | Tuller_ | the vehicle UI is waaaay different than the standard ui |
| 19:22.07 | Tem | heh |
| 19:22.21 | Tuller_ | like "lets completely replace the mainbar with this thing" |
| 19:22.24 | Tuller_ | type deal |
| 19:22.28 | Tuller_ | I hate you blizzard :P |
| 19:22.34 | Tem | right |
| 19:22.37 | Tem | but where do the actions go? |
| 19:22.41 | Tuller_ | the mainbar |
| 19:22.43 | Tem | posess bar? |
| 19:22.47 | Tuller_ | possess bar, right |
| 19:22.51 | Tuller_ | except for aim up/down |
| 19:22.54 | Tuller_ | and exit vehicle |
| 19:23.09 | Tuller_ | so I'm going to go with, "need a vehicle control panel" type deal |
| 19:23.21 | Tekkub | exit vehicle USED to be there as cancel-possess |
| 19:23.24 | Tem | *nod* |
| 19:23.31 | Tekkub | it went away in one of the recent builds |
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| 19:24.29 | Tekkub | reminds me, I need to hit Steel Gate and find a solution to the dismount going away |
| 19:28.35 | molgar | hi i gonna make a : _OnHyperlinkClick() function on my scrollingMessageFrame. but how can i do this ? i need it so i can mark a "line" and remove it with a button that only remove the "marked" hyperlink.. |
| 19:29.48 | Duman | hmm |
| 19:29.58 | Duman | whenever I enable bugsack, I can't see my chat text |
| 19:29.59 | Duman | heh |
| 19:30.05 | Duman | how weird |
| 19:30.11 | Duman | something must be jacked |
| 19:30.38 | molgar | strange idd. try buggrabber |
| 19:31.32 | Duman | yeah that was working fine |
| 19:31.41 | Duman | was jsut wondering why bugsack is not cooperating |
| 19:32.10 | molgar | no idea, prolly some other addon or something. at least bugsack is working here |
| 19:32.22 | Duman | yeah, guess it must be prat |
| 19:32.48 | Duman | aha |
| 19:32.49 | Duman | [2008/09/28 12:31:49-2-x1]: Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2218: bad argument #1 to 'strsub' (string expected, got nil): |
| 19:32.49 | Duman | Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2218: in function <Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2217>: |
| 19:32.49 | Duman | (tail call): ?: |
| 19:32.50 | Duman | Prat-3.0-3.0 (Alpha Version) $Revision: 81483 $\addon\addon.lua:421: in function <Interface\AddOns\Prat-3.0\addon\addon.lua:349> |
| 19:32.53 | Duman | (tail call): ?: |
| 19:32.55 | Duman | Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2070: in function `ChatFrame_OnEvent': |
| 19:32.57 | Duman | <string>:"*:OnEvent":1: in function <[string "*:OnEvent"]:1> |
| 19:33.22 | haste | pasting three or more lines == BAD |
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| 19:34.01 | Duman | yeah I should have pastey'd it |
| 19:34.10 | Duman | sorry |
| 19:34.20 | molgar | can anyone please help me understand _OnHyperlinkClick() |
| 19:35.29 | Dewin | I don't know anything about hyperlinks I'm afraid. |
| 19:35.40 | molgar | :( |
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| 19:41.09 | Dewin | maybe go sourcediving in an addon that uses them? Prat is the first thing that comes to mind |
| 19:41.21 | Yssaril | is optional dependancy loading bugged in beta? |
| 19:42.04 | Tekkub | works fine for me |
| 19:42.37 | Yssaril | hmm |
| 19:43.49 | foxlit | molgar: what about it? |
| 19:44.34 | Duman | it was non-wotlk ace2 |
| 19:44.37 | Duman | (bundled) |
| 19:45.37 | |Jelly| | 102 runs and I got my Kodo! |
| 19:47.41 | Tekkub | hrm... VehicleExit() doesn't seem to be restricted |
| 19:47.58 | foxlit | Quick, exploit it :) |
| 19:48.51 | zenzelezz | success! |
| 19:48.55 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha, oh man, taking a Grand Caravan Mammoth and running it across a minefield |
| 19:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | FLYING MAMMOTH |
| 19:49.45 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 19:49.52 | zenzelezz | that sounds a lot like Battlefield 1942 without friendly fire |
| 19:50.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man, that's awesome amounts of fun |
| 19:50.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I was questing |
| 19:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm just being thrown through the air on a mammoth |
| 19:50.37 | Cide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCt2nZF2nLk -- amazing |
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| 19:50.49 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: and they wonder why mammoths became extinct |
| 19:50.53 | Fisker- | may i say old Cide? |
| 19:51.02 | Cide | may I say sep 20 |
| 19:51.04 | zenzelezz | Cide isn't old |
| 19:51.12 | Fisker- | Even sep 28 would be old |
| 19:51.13 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 19:51.16 | Cide | nope |
| 19:51.21 | Cide | I decide what is and isn't old |
| 19:51.25 | Fisker- | damn |
| 19:51.28 | Fisker- | sorry sir :( |
| 19:51.35 | Cide | yeah, shut up now and view it again |
| 19:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | boo |
| 19:51.41 | zenzelezz | Fisker-: the pyramids are old too, you don't hear people complain about that |
| 19:51.41 | Cide | oh Shirik |
| 19:51.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I killed my mammoth |
| 19:51.44 | Cide | Shirik: ping |
| 19:51.48 | foxlit | ew |
| 19:51.58 | foxlit | cake being antialiased in blocks |
| 19:52.11 | foxlit | which means that those aren't vectors :/ |
| 19:52.23 | Fisker- | zenzelezz i don't see newspapers going "OMG PYRAMIDS IN EGYPT" |
| 19:52.37 | foxlit | sure you do |
| 19:52.40 | foxlit | read the travel section |
| 19:52.43 | Fisker- | oh |
| 19:52.46 | Fisker- | sorry sir :( |
| 19:54.08 | matt1s | Tuller_: is it possible to change the order of the stance icons? |
| 19:54.19 | Tuller_ | nope :P |
| 19:54.26 | Tuller_ | minus adjusting the layout to be verticle/etc |
| 19:54.29 | Tuller_ | vertical even |
| 19:55.00 | matt1s | Tuller_: ok :-) I'll survive. Very good this far, I really like the keybinding system |
| 19:55.20 | matt1s | I almost have the setup I was talking about earlier |
| 19:55.50 | Tuller_ | hurray |
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| 20:05.27 | Tuller_ | ugh, the one time I want blizzard to have something global, they don't :P |
| 20:06.16 | zenzelezz | information is on a want-to-know basis; when you want to, we don't want you to |
| 20:08.57 | Dewin | hmm... OnSizeChanged is reporting a negative width and height... |
| 20:10.30 | Tuller_ | well, does the frame have a wacky width? |
| 20:14.10 | Dewin | actually, I just added a line of debug code and my addon stopped working entirely... no error message either. |
| 20:14.22 | Dewin | StartSizing() really IS evil. |
| 20:14.44 | Dewin | considering it didn't revert to working again after I removed the debug code... and the function in question isn't even called anywher |
| 20:15.01 | Dewin | (Right now I'm calling it by hand through /script) |
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| 20:16.38 | Dewin | anyone have a brick wall handy? I need to hit my head against something |
| 20:18.08 | Tekkub | huzzah! I can use VehicleExit in combat |
| 20:18.15 | Tekkub | it taints, but it doesn't block |
| 20:19.10 | Yssaril | now i am really confused would there be any reason an addon wouldnt load in beta when it will load on live (i copied it over checkd load out of date and it doesnt even load any files dosnt even error out) |
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| 20:27.29 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: true story |
| 20:28.04 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Wrath/WoWScrnShot_092808_135926.jpg <-- unrelated, but kinda awesome |
| 20:28.41 | Dewin | So... my frame wants to keep its upper-left corner anchored to one spot when I resize for some reason. |
| 20:34.33 | Dewin | If I anchor b's bottomleft to a's bottomleft , c's bottomleft to b's topleft, and a's topleft to c's topleft... will it think it's a recursive dependency? |
| 20:35.21 | Dewin | I guess I could test it.. |
| 20:37.06 | Dewin | it does :-/ |
| 20:38.34 | molgar | any reason i cant make the text in a scrollingmessageframe from the top ? i can change it to left and right, but not bottom and top:/ |
| 20:41.18 | foxlit | Dewin: it fails early on that kind of stuff. You also can't create the grandfather paradox in WoW. |
| 20:43.40 | Tuller_ | op write a hacky vehicle bar: theoretical success |
| 20:44.02 | nevcairiel | Anyone know a good addon that can calculate item prices in a fixed-bid DKP based on iLvl and slot etc? |
| 20:44.31 | nevcairiel | s/bid/price/ |
| 20:44.49 | foxlit | nev: I have one |
| 20:45.11 | foxlit | Let me see if I can throw it up somewhere |
| 20:46.50 | molgar | Actioneer |
| 20:47.11 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/temp/dkp |
| 20:47.27 | molgar | sry missread |
| 20:48.07 | Dewin | well. |
| 20:48.37 | Dewin | Now I just need to figure out how to make sizing something pick a better corner to anchor from, it always wants to keep the top-left corner immobible and change the height down and width rigtht. |
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| 20:48.56 | Dewin | other then that, the positioning code works wonderful. |
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| 20:52.46 | Dewin | aaaand... no idea how to do that. |
| 20:53.02 | Dewin | I could have swore my earlier version was smart about it |
| 20:53.07 | sylvanaar | Duman whats up? |
| 20:53.28 | foxlit | nevcairiel: matches what you're looking for? |
| 20:53.49 | nevcairiel | ya thanks |
| 20:54.06 | nevcairiel | we're evaluating some new ideas for wrath |
| 20:54.16 | nevcairiel | but i was sure i saw a published mod somewhere |
| 20:54.30 | foxlit | I wouldn't bother publishing this, really. |
| 20:54.47 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 20:55.09 | foxlit | The computation is a bit specific to what we're using; if people have the guts to go in, figure out what it does and change the relevant numbers, they can write their own thing faster |
| 20:55.36 | nevcairiel | I'll probably hack on something myself if we decide to go fixed-price |
| 20:56.01 | foxlit | As for DKP systems: enter recruits at average DKP, make people pay the difference between their current item in slot and the item they're upgrading to, and increase prices exponentially across tiers |
| 20:59.06 | Dewin | foxlit: wouldn't that make minor upgrades cheaper than major ones when major ones are the ones that are going to benefit the guild the most? |
| 20:59.48 | foxlit | It'd make the minor upgrades painless, and people generally take major upgrades regardless. |
| 21:00.06 | foxlit | The problem is, WoW raiding seems to have relatively few clear tiers |
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| 21:01.44 | Tuller_ | for my next trick, I need to hop on a motorcycle |
| 21:02.11 | Dewin | so I should be able to buy a minor upgrade for 2 DKP when there's someone for whom its a major upgrade and costs 50 DKP? |
| 21:02.36 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 21:02.44 | foxlit | The design probably varies largely based on what sort of guild you're in; this tends to favour getting people into upgraded gear, no matter how minor an upgrade, and not screwing hybrids and recruits. |
| 21:03.35 | Dewin | I just think that a major upgrade for person B is going to help the guild as a whole moreso than a minor upgrade for person A, so a system that favors minor upgrades seems counterintuitive |
| 21:03.39 | foxlit | Realize that you would've already spent 48 DKP in order to pay that price; so you'll likely be below the person who'd need a major upgrade |
| 21:05.00 | Corrodias | ah, what fun, trying to distribute extremely limited rewards to many people |
| 21:05.04 | Corrodias | i do not miss that |
| 21:05.16 | foxlit | Meh, works out fine. |
| 21:05.51 | foxlit | They've gotten a lot better at dishing out tokens left and right, especially compared to 40mans |
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| 21:12.06 | smcn | any waypoint mods working in beta? too lazy to dig around ;( |
| 21:16.03 | Neuro_Medivh | tomtom works if you grab the wotlk version of astrolabe |
| 21:16.08 | schnoggo | dkp is the work of the Devil. And he was offended when I said so. |
| 21:16.33 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5963149548&sid=1 <-i lol'd |
| 21:16.53 | schnoggo | http://svn.esamynn.org/astrolabe/branches/wotlk_data_temp/ |
| 21:17.11 | schnoggo | in case you were wondering where to get the Astrolabe |
| 21:17.38 | smcn | awesome thanks! |
| 21:17.43 | elite3vil | Fisker-: lol.. that's awesome. |
| 21:19.58 | Corrodias | that is funny... but how do you get there? |
| 21:21.39 | Duman | alliance takes the boat from SW (to Borean Tundra) or the boat from Menethil (to Howling Fjord) |
| 21:22.28 | Duman | (menethil boat is the old Darkshore boat) |
| 21:22.43 | Dewin | ~framexml |
| 21:22.43 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 21:22.51 | Dewin | couldn't remember the site |
| 21:23.13 | schnoggo | OT but probably appreciated by this group: http://store.quantummechanix.com/Cylon-Raider-Artisan-Replica-Signature-Edition_p_2-41.html |
| 21:23.27 | Dewin | UIDropDownMenu looks to be a PITA. |
| 21:24.25 | foxlit | Actually |
| 21:24.28 | Dewin | oh... EasyMenu looks much nicer |
| 21:24.37 | foxlit | If you stick to .func, .checked, UIDDM is trivial |
| 21:24.37 | schnoggo | drop downs are one of the sticking points in the CleanChat upgrade. On the projrect list for this afternoon |
| 21:25.20 | Dewin | What's CleanChat? |
| 21:25.37 | zenzelezz | not as fun as NaughtyChat |
| 21:25.53 | Dewin | zing |
| 21:27.32 | schnoggo | removes channel names, colorizes player names, and a few other chat-related enhancements. I took over maintenance with the 2.0 WoW client since the original author quit playing |
| 21:27.58 | Dewin | Ah. |
| 21:28.02 | Dewin | I'm using Prat 3.0 right now |
| 21:28.05 | Dewin | on 3.x anyways |
| 21:28.12 | schnoggo | similar sort of thing |
| 21:28.18 | Duman | yeah I just swapped to prat from chatter |
| 21:28.24 | Dewin | I wish /script would 'stick' |
| 21:28.26 | Dewin | though I think I can make it |
| 21:28.43 | Corrodias | stick? |
| 21:28.49 | schnoggo | enough users that i'll hear about it if I don't do an upgrade though :) |
| 21:30.20 | Dewin | Corrodias: If you /guild something, future chat goes to guild by default |
| 21:30.21 | sylvanaar | i used to use cleanchat - i loved it |
| 21:30.25 | Dewin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.39 | Corrodias | ah |
| 21:31.46 | Industrial | "I dont understand why all is so horny about the table what about chair" |
| 21:31.48 | Industrial | lmao |
| 21:31.49 | Industrial | in av |
| 21:32.03 | Corrodias | i dunno, i get pretty hot for chairs |
| 21:32.23 | zenzelezz | I don't know enough about Java to quite understand this quote, but it still amuses me... "Note that, in this example, "words" is a local, or stack array of actual UnicodeString objects. No heap allocation is involved in initializing this array of empty strings (C++ is not Java!)" |
| 21:33.41 | Corrodias | in Java, all "objects" are allocated on the heap; you can't put one on the stack |
| 21:34.03 | Corrodias | i think (but don't quote me on that) that the same goes for arrays |
| 21:34.10 | Iriel | Arrays are objects |
| 21:34.14 | zenzelezz | that sounds peculiar |
| 21:34.18 | Corrodias | well there you go |
| 21:34.22 | Iriel | Not really |
| 21:34.37 | Iriel | consider that it's a virtual model anyway (an implementation could use the stack if it wanted to) |
| 21:34.55 | Iriel | though that might not be very useful unless your implementation is only single threaded |
| 21:35.04 | Iriel | (which in turn would not be useful either) |
| 21:36.56 | schnoggo | WoW should switch from Lua to Forth! :) |
| 21:37.06 | zenzelezz | and back |
| 21:37.23 | schnoggo | (couldn't resist after thinking about the stack model) |
| 21:37.27 | Iriel | forth is fun and all but I'd rather have lua |
| 21:38.02 | |Jelly| | Any word on 3.0's release? |
| 21:38.16 | kd3 | any tuesday between now and nov 13 |
| 21:38.24 | |Jelly| | smartass <3 |
| 21:38.25 | Duman | heh |
| 21:38.46 | Duman | really? |
| 21:38.49 | [SW]Dodge | lol Cairenn :D |
| 21:39.03 | [SW]Dodge | ah dam oct... read nov xD |
| 21:39.06 | Cairenn | seems reasonable to me |
| 21:39.15 | Duman | rigth after blizzcon? maybe |
| 21:39.16 | Cairenn | just common sense |
| 21:39.22 | Corrodias | speaking of which |
| 21:39.23 | Corrodias | is d3 out yet? |
| 21:39.32 | schnoggo | gonna be after blizzcon |
| 21:39.36 | foxlit | d3 is the new dnf! |
| 21:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | releasing before blizzcon seems like a Bad⢠|
| 21:39.54 | NightHawkTheSane | er.. Bad Ideaâ¢, i have no idea how i missed an entire word |
| 21:40.00 | foxlit | (in that it's ages away from anywhere) |
| 21:40.04 | Cairenn | right after blizzcon (last thing they need is it released right before blizzcon, when they need to dedicate their resources to the con), but still giving a solid month before LK |
| 21:40.07 | schnoggo | so Cairenn's guess seems good |
| 21:40.10 | Duman | my char set translation must be wack |
| 21:40.18 | Duman | I saw "Bad Idea�D�," |
| 21:40.39 | foxlit | SQL ails me: I want to find the percentage of a forum's posts made by the top 5 users posting in that forum. |
| 21:40.48 | Corrodias | my thing doesn't support unicode, so what's a � |
| 21:40.52 | foxlit | (TABLE posts (poster_id)) |
| 21:40.57 | Duman | I think it was a 'tm' |
| 21:41.01 | Dewin | it was a tm |
| 21:41.02 | Duman | if I had to guess |
| 21:41.11 | Dewin | what database foxlit? |
| 21:41.12 | Fisker- | Cairenn october 21st |
| 21:41.14 | Fisker- | trust me |
| 21:41.14 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 21:41.21 | foxlit | Dewin: MySQL, in this case. |
| 21:41.25 | Cairenn | if not the 14th, then yeah, the 21st |
| 21:41.27 | Industrial | foxlit: is that lisp? :D |
| 21:41.39 | Tem | kd3, ping |
| 21:41.50 | Dewin | yegads, I don't think you can even do that in a single query of MySQL, but let me think |
| 21:41.50 | foxlit | No, that's a SQL fragment describing a relevant table |
| 21:42.04 | foxlit | You know what's funny? "�D�," appeared as gibberish "so what's a �" appeared fine |
| 21:42.42 | foxlit | (and I really should read more than the last 5 lines) |
| 21:42.55 | foxlit | Turns out the first thing wasn't the original quote :) |
| 21:43.21 | Dewin | One sec, I'm going to use this channel as scrap paper ;) |
| 21:43.43 | Dewin | (SELECT poster_id, COUNT(*) ct FROM posts GROUP BY poster_id ORDER BY ct DESC LIMIT 5) -- for top 5 posters |
| 21:44.28 | Duman | anyone know what they changed the UI scale cvars to? |
| 21:44.37 | Tem | ask tek, du |
| 21:44.38 | Cairenn | ah, nm, thought it was going to be extensive |
| 21:44.39 | Tem | man |
| 21:44.42 | Tekkub | mu? |
| 21:45.03 | Duman | tekkub: do you know what they changed the ui scale cvars to? :) |
| 21:45.09 | foxlit | Dewin: that's top 5 posters globally |
| 21:45.14 | Tekkub | they changed them? |
| 21:45.25 | Duman | yeah :( |
| 21:45.26 | Tekkub | SetCVar("useUiScale", 1) |
| 21:45.26 | Tekkub | SetCVar("UISCALE", SCALE) |
| 21:45.31 | foxlit | (I messed up the table snippet, too. It's really TABLE posts (forum_id, poster_id)) |
| 21:45.32 | Duman | unknown cvar |
| 21:45.53 | Duman | at least, it complained at me once |
| 21:45.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Dekster (n=Dekster@netblock-68-183-40-143.dslextreme.com) |
| 21:45.59 | Duman | doing it now it just worked... wtf |
| 21:46.01 | Dewin | foxlit: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96917 |
| 21:46.15 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: guess what I just looted... "[Crooked Cog]" |
| 21:46.18 | Dewin | that's globally, you can adapt it as needed. |
| 21:46.21 | Duman | huh, weird |
| 21:46.22 | Dewin | Assuming it even works |
| 21:48.01 | foxlit | Unknown column 'top_posters.post_id' in 'on clause' |
| 21:48.13 | Dewin | s/post_id/poster_id/ |
| 21:48.42 | NightHawkTheSane | you could probably do that without the inner join, just using creative subselects |
| 21:48.49 | NightHawkTheSane | but you WILL need subselects |
| 21:49.03 | foxlit | I encourage you to give it a try :) |
| 21:49.03 | Dewin | Yeah you could, in fact you'll have to to break it down by subforum |
| 21:49.16 | Dewin | Hang on |
| 21:49.20 | foxlit | Especially the more complex version: local top 5, not top 5 on everything :) |
| 21:50.32 | Dewin | That's what I'm working on now :) |
| 21:52.27 | Dewin | try this: |
| 21:52.28 | NightHawkTheSane | something like this: although my syntax may be slightly off: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96918 |
| 21:52.39 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96919 |
| 21:52.46 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: all at once, not =X |
| 21:53.04 | foxlit | If I wanted to do it sequentially, it'd be trivial to arrange it without complex queries :) |
| 21:53.20 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: ... have you considered using a stored procedure? :D |
| 21:53.35 | foxlit | I have not. |
| 21:53.41 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: He's using MySQL, have pity on the poor guy. |
| 21:53.52 | NightHawkTheSane | mysql supports sprocs these days doesn't it? |
| 21:54.02 | Dewin | with some really, really stupid restrictions yes |
| 21:54.03 | foxlit | "This version of MySQL doesn't yet support 'LIMIT & IN/ALL/ANY/SOME subquery' |
| 21:54.03 | foxlit | " |
| 21:54.13 | zenzelezz | sprocs? |
| 21:54.15 | foxlit | Which is what originally hit my efforts :) |
| 21:54.19 | zenzelezz | oh, nevermind x.x |
| 21:54.20 | Dewin | Foxlit: http://www.postgresql.org/ have fun :) |
| 21:54.32 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: hm. what version of mysql is that? |
| 21:54.39 | Dewin | All of them. |
| 21:54.40 | Dewin | >.> |
| 21:54.46 | Dewin | I forgot about that limitation |
| 21:54.53 | foxlit | 5.something, iirc |
| 21:54.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh |
| 21:55.05 | Dewin | this is why I'm moving my project to postgres. |
| 21:55.18 | NightHawkTheSane | my mysql-fu is pretty poor, i've spnt too much time in mssql.. |
| 21:55.23 | foxlit | I'm generally keeping stuff in sqlite |
| 21:55.45 | zenzelezz | I can just forget even looking at Postgres, the people at work would have a fit |
| 21:55.54 | Dewin | heh |
| 21:56.04 | Dewin | #postgresql is the other channel I autojoin on login |
| 21:56.06 | foxlit | (but seriously, SQL is a standard; implement it already) :) |
| 21:56.31 | zenzelezz | if only :-/ |
| 21:56.32 | Dewin | We had a discussion about that earlier in #postgresql actually, no one database really follows the standard 100% correctly |
| 21:56.50 | Dewin | The closest is db2 which supposedly the spec was designed off of, but even it has some massive deviations |
| 21:56.59 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, every implementation has its own.. "quirks" |
| 21:57.32 | Dewin | sigh |
| 21:57.40 | Dewin | I have a table and I want to sort by keys... |
| 21:57.58 | foxlit | lua? Forget about sorting, it's a hash table. |
| 21:58.01 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: do you HAVE to do it in sql? can you just pull some raw data and compute it in code? |
| 21:58.02 | Dewin | I'm aware. |
| 21:58.28 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: No, I don't. I just thought it was a somewhat elegant problem :) |
| 21:58.31 | Dewin | What might work is some temptable voodoo. |
| 21:58.48 | Dewin | My usual way of working around mysql's braindeadness |
| 21:59.29 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: I tend to figure that if i'm thinking -too- hard about how to compute something in sql, or the query is getting -too- complex, i should probably just do most of the work in code. |
| 21:59.29 | zenzelezz | when in doubt, use XML and regexps. Sure, they're not the right tools, but the management will love to be able to tell their customers about it |
| 21:59.34 | foxlit | For what it's worth, I've got stats (forum_id, postcount, postercount) and pstats (forum_id, poster_id, postcount) |
| 21:59.39 | Duman | tem: did thta work ok? |
| 21:59.57 | Tem | yeah |
| 21:59.58 | Tem | thanks |
| 22:00.01 | Duman | word |
| 22:00.06 | Duman | back in a min, farting w/ some addons |
| 22:00.22 | foxlit | I tend to share the question, looking for possible insight :) |
| 22:05.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker- (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 22:06.58 | Dewin | lua>t={}; t:insert('whee'); print(t) |
| 22:06.59 | lua_bot | Dewin: luabot:1: attempt to call method 'insert' (a nil value) |
| 22:07.22 | Dewin | Actually have to call table.insert(....) eh |
| 22:07.25 | Dewin | boohiss |
| 22:14.36 | schnoggo | goblin lottery? Sound\\Doodad\\Goblin_Lottery_Opened.wav |
| 22:15.23 | Corrodias | gambling, much like sex, is evil |
| 22:15.35 | cbreak | lua>t={}; setmetatable(t, table); t:insert(123); print(t[1]) |
| 22:15.35 | lua_bot | cbreak: luabot:1: attempt to call method 'insert' (a nil value) |
| 22:15.37 | Corrodias | i'm an american. i know these things. |
| 22:15.40 | cbreak | hmm :( |
| 22:15.58 | Dewin | Anybody know of any *good* documentation for EasyMenu, or a good example? |
| 22:16.02 | Tekkub | gambing, the perfect money sink |
| 22:16.23 | cbreak | Tekkub: wanna buy mortages? :) |
| 22:16.40 | Tekkub | I'm talking from a design perspective |
| 22:21.57 | batrick | !lua points(1675, 3) |
| 22:21.57 | batbot | batrick: > 501, 3 |
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| 22:26.41 | batrick | anyone know where you make/copy premades for beta? |
| 22:26.48 | batrick | i can't find a url |
| 22:28.52 | Syzgyn | beta.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 22:30.15 | batrick | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/charcopy/character-copy.html |
| 22:30.19 | batrick | that was the link for those who care |
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| 22:35.40 | |pez| | what's #wowuidev-overflow? :P |
| 22:36.34 | foxlit | It's where we send the useless people :) |
| 22:37.16 | cbreak | the americans... :) |
| 22:37.20 | cbreak | *sniff* |
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| 22:41.37 | Cairenn | odd |
| 22:42.35 | cbreak | I think you get redirected there when someone spamms, or you are not authenticated to freenode |
| 22:44.22 | Cide | yep |
| 22:47.31 | Duman | lag |
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| 22:52.43 | Arrowmaster | this is new, L70ETC is playing in the worlds end tavern in 7 minutes |
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| 22:52.51 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
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| 22:55.50 | cbreak | Shiibot is less chatty than this purl. I still like lua_bot most. |
| 22:56.14 | ShaneSveller | can anyone tell me if there's a slash command for mounting in 3.0? |
| 22:56.25 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.39 | ShaneSveller | so /cast Something Kodo |
| 22:56.44 | ShaneSveller | hm. |
| 22:56.45 | kd3 | the spell name is different from the item name, shift-click it out of your pets book |
| 22:56.52 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:56.53 | Duman | lol |
| 22:56.53 | ShaneSveller | ok |
| 22:56.54 | Duman | told you |
| 22:57.11 | schnoggo | has anyone seen an addon that logs all the people you've grouped with? I've got a design started for a group histor/rating thing and I'm wondering if it already exists |
| 22:57.25 | AnduinLothar | i've seens afew |
| 22:57.32 | AnduinLothar | not recently tho |
| 22:57.37 | AnduinLothar | check curse |
| 22:57.55 | ShaneSveller | kd3: that doesn't appear to work whatsoever on my beta druid |
| 22:57.56 | AnduinLothar | there were a few rate your party member addons |
| 22:57.58 | schnoggo | the brain trust is here - why i'm asking :) |
| 22:58.05 | ShaneSveller | even doing /cast ... shift-click |
| 22:59.02 | AnduinLothar | server's back |
| 23:01.40 | Yssaril | 3 |
| 23:02.04 | *** join/#wowuidev jaxdahl (i=foobar@cpe-70-112-127-152.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 23:03.02 | Duman | k |
| 23:06.54 | Random | i dislike my friend right now |
| 23:07.53 | Corrodias | i'm taking your friend's side |
| 23:07.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Legorol (n=legorol@stud-nat-blk12.trin.cam.ac.uk) |
| 23:07.59 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 23:08.56 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_does_one_patch_KDE2_under_FreeBSD? << who could've thought. |
| 23:09.41 | Random | well my friends sitting there |
| 23:09.46 | Random | bragging that the programmers of blizzard made an item after him |
| 23:11.42 | schnoggo | did they? |
| 23:11.46 | Random | yes |
| 23:12.03 | schnoggo | so he should brag! |
| 23:12.06 | Corrodias | well... so? |
| 23:12.17 | Random | lol |
| 23:12.24 | Corrodias | what is the item? |
| 23:12.32 | Random | its called the sixen skullcap |
| 23:12.42 | Random | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43840# |
| 23:13.06 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 23:13.19 | Random | its all good though ill be the one laughing when im sitting there alpha testing sc2 and hes sitting there playing wow |
| 23:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | We know Sixen... |
| 23:13.26 | kd3 | meh, sixen is referenced a few places... has he seen his NPC? |
| 23:13.30 | Arrowmaster | is your friend the Sixen thats in this channel right now or one of the others? |
| 23:13.33 | Random | npc? |
| 23:13.46 | Random | to be honest arrowmaster im not sure |
| 23:13.55 | kd3 | oh wait, not, I'm thinking of jayde |
| 23:14.01 | Random | i got lonely in #blizzard |
| 23:14.01 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-67-246-45-198.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 23:14.08 | kd3 | yes, the sixen in here is the same sixen you're talking about |
| 23:14.19 | Random | the one who owns sixen.org? |
| 23:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 23:14.23 | kd3 | ya |
| 23:14.25 | Random | ya thats him |
| 23:14.30 | Corrodias | Sixen: you're a jerkwad |
| 23:14.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 19:13 < ScytheBlade1> We know Sixen... |
| 23:14.34 | Random | i taught him everything |
| 23:14.36 | Random | he knows |
| 23:14.43 | Arrowmaster | hes also on the friends of blizzard list |
| 23:14.47 | Random | so am i |
| 23:14.48 | Corrodias | a whole WAD of jerks |
| 23:15.00 | Random | ive been testing blizzard games since d1 |
| 23:15.07 | Random | hes also in my clan |
| 23:15.14 | Arrowmaster | yeah so i think youll both be playing the sc2 alpha at the same time |
| 23:15.26 | Random | pfff hell die in sc2 |
| 23:15.33 | Random | ill make sure to make a replay of it so you guys can watch |
| 23:15.49 | Random | ha ha ha |
| 23:15.54 | Random | i just realized i host his website :) |
| 23:15.59 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 23:16.04 | ScytheBlade1 | What'd I do to you, Shirik? |
| 23:16.13 | Shirik | didn't say hi |
| 23:16.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 23:16.18 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:16.18 | ScytheBlade1 | "hi" |
| 23:16.19 | Random | Where are my manners i didn't introduce myself |
| 23:16.24 | Random | Hi im Bob dole. |
| 23:16.24 | Shirik | hiiii |
| 23:16.51 | Shirik | I'm about to lose signal again I think |
| 23:17.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 23:17.02 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:17.06 | Shirik | no, fail evdo :( |
| 23:17.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I've got a phone that I can tether to my laptop over BT, gives me EVDO internet. Works fine. |
| 23:17.52 | Shirik | This card has never been htis bad before |
| 23:17.56 | Random | when sixen awakes tell him that his leader said hes demoted. |
| 23:17.59 | Shirik | I think there's something wrong with it |
| 23:18.13 | Random | to janitor |
| 23:19.46 | Shirik | oh this is awesome |
| 23:19.56 | Shirik | I ran the self-test and it reports "Device not found"/... |
| 23:20.10 | Corrodias | i suppose that's a failure of the test, then |
| 23:20.27 | Shirik | If I kepe hitting retest it only passes like 75% of the time |
| 23:20.37 | schnoggo | heh - love that blizzcon is on the in-game calendar |
| 23:27.53 | Sixen | ... |
| 23:27.57 | Sixen | What was Random doing here? |
| 23:28.12 | Corrodias | belittling you |
| 23:28.45 | Sixen | Isee :( |
| 23:30.04 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:31.11 | Shirik | I might have found the cause of my disconnects |
| 23:31.17 | Sixen | nowai |
| 23:31.22 | Corrodias | ugliness |
| 23:31.24 | Shirik | It always seems to disconnect right after I go into "Connected - Dormant" mode |
| 23:31.43 | Shirik | so I just did a 'ping -t myserver' t osee if I stay connected |
| 23:32.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (n=Dune@208-104-142-238.rhhe1.2wcm.comporium.net) |
| 23:32.42 | Cide | hey Shirik, you got owned |
| 23:32.44 | Cide | or your bot did |
| 23:32.52 | Shirik | the join/part spam? |
| 23:32.58 | Cide | and nick changing |
| 23:33.11 | Shirik | nick changing wasn't something I had considered, but I can easily count that as a join |
| 23:33.18 | Shirik | I've written a module for join and part |
| 23:33.30 | Shirik | It's actually active now |
| 23:33.35 | Cide | cool |
| 23:33.41 | Shirik | nick changing, I don't know if that's really useful |
| 23:33.45 | Shirik | freenode has some limits on nick changing |
| 23:33.51 | Cide | they spammed with it |
| 23:33.59 | Cide | or helped spam with it, combined with join/part |
| 23:34.00 | Shirik | ok then I'll throw it in there |
| 23:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | There is a channel mode which prevents switching of nicks while in channel |
| 23:34.39 | Shirik | +R does I know |
| 23:34.44 | Arrowmaster | and +m |
| 23:34.45 | Shirik | if unregistered |
| 23:34.52 | Arrowmaster | and any other ban type one |
| 23:34.55 | Shirik | neither of which are a real solution unfortunately |
| 23:35.14 | Shirik | why do I have a file named / in my filesystem |
| 23:35.39 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~/spambot $ ls -l |
| 23:35.39 | Shirik | total 4280 |
| 23:35.39 | Shirik | -rw-r--r-- 1 mpdelbuono mpdelbuono 8626 Sep 28 08:45 \ |
| 23:35.43 | Shirik | That is a problem :/ |
| 23:35.51 | Shirik | oh it's named \ |
| 23:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That's named \ not / |
| 23:35.54 | Shirik | that's better |
| 23:35.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 23:35.56 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo failrik |
| 23:36.09 | purl | failrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (195 days); it has been requested 145 times, last by ScytheBlade1, 13s ago. |
| 23:36.10 | Cide | I love that fact |
| 23:36.14 | ScytheBlade1 | 145 times |
| 23:36.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide you are a winner |
| 23:36.20 | Cide | I know |
| 23:36.26 | Shirik | that's it? |
| 23:36.30 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 23:36.31 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:36.32 | Cide | no, 146 |
| 23:36.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 23:36.40 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:36.43 | ScytheBlade1 | 147 |
| 23:37.29 | Shirik | !reload |
| 23:37.29 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 23:38.17 | Shirik | so I should poinot out that I have not yet been disconnected since I tried this ping trick |
| 23:39.05 | foxlit | yes, but does it hot-swap IRC code when you want? :) |
| 23:39.20 | Shirik | huh? |
| 23:39.32 | Corrodias | what is IRC code? |
| 23:39.52 | foxlit | Code that handles connection to IRC, clearly :) |
| 23:40.03 | Duman | oh, hmm |
| 23:40.03 | Shirik | Disconnected from verizon, not IRC |
| 23:40.19 | Shirik | obviously I've stayed online even when I was in an airplane |
| 23:40.21 | Duman | tekkub: here? |
| 23:40.39 | Duman | [2008/09/28 16:17:23-17-x1]: UIScale\UIScale.lua:1: Couldn't find CVar named 'useUiScale' UIScale\UIScale.lua:1: in main chunk |
| 23:40.39 | Arrowmaster | the irc traffic should keep it open, sounds like a major system problem if its not but pings are |
| 23:40.55 | Tekkub | I dunno |
| 23:40.59 | Tekkub | I've not had that |
| 23:40.59 | Shirik | There isn't much IRC traffic :) |
| 23:41.05 | Arrowmaster | yes there is |
| 23:41.07 | Shirik | if people stay quiet for a very long time |
| 23:41.07 | Duman | weird. |
| 23:41.16 | Tekkub | you do this on load? |
| 23:41.27 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you wrote a damn irc bot, you should know about the irc keepalive pings |
| 23:41.32 | Duman | yeah |
| 23:41.35 | Shirik | They certainly aren't every 5 minutes |
| 23:41.37 | Duman | well, not hooked to anything |
| 23:41.38 | Tekkub | I do it at PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 23:41.39 | Shirik | They're closer to 15 |
| 23:41.43 | Duman | ahh ok |
| 23:41.45 | Arrowmaster | must be the server then |
| 23:41.47 | Shirik | I get disconnected about every 5 minutes or so |
| 23:41.51 | Arrowmaster | some are perty often |
| 23:42.07 | foxlit | you what, you how, you why? |
| 23:42.48 | Shirik | I still agree there's a serious problem though :P |
| 23:43.16 | Neuro_Medivh | are there still no Minor glyphs? |
| 23:43.21 | Duman | there are plenty |
| 23:43.25 | Duman | all from discovery tho |
| 23:43.32 | Neuro_Medivh | how odd |
| 23:44.58 | Shirik | verizon has its own phone brand now? |
| 23:45.27 | Corrodias | why not? terrible company + terrible product = profit |
| 23:45.52 | Shirik | I haven't had issues with verizon... |
| 23:45.56 | Shirik | aside from this, but that doesn't count |
| 23:52.01 | Duman | lol |
| 23:52.14 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
| 23:52.22 | cbreak | world server has no nuts. |
| 23:52.22 | AnduinLothar | knew i shoudla gone inside th einstance |
| 23:53.28 | Corrodias | i remember some fun bugs when i first started |
| 23:53.40 | Corrodias | enemies that were invisible or underground, chasing me out of an area |
