| 00:00.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: erm, Northrend is 4, so "if( GetCurrentMapContinent() ~= 4 ) then" would evaluate FALSE in northrend. |
| 00:00.10 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: not to mention wintergrasp |
| 00:00.22 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: ach, forgot wintergrasp! thanks, ill worry about that later. |
| 00:00.47 | kd3 | what the hell? |
| 00:00.52 | NeoTron | Blizzard should really fix [flyable] though |
| 00:00.52 | kd3 | the PTR has the wrathgate cinematic? |
| 00:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops |
| 00:01.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: which means the entire body of your if is.. pointless, as it would never matter. |
| 00:01.42 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: probably because it's very nearly the same client in most respects ;) |
| 00:02.05 | kd3 | ya, but there's a reason why we have base-, expansion- and lichking- mpqs... |
| 00:02.11 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: check my next reply i fixed something else and the if in northrend dosnt return anything :P the if thens inside do |
| 00:02.26 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: it's also not in the MPQs, hence why it likely shipped |
| 00:03.15 | Kirov | Anyone know if anyone actually finished acing my DiabloGlobes? |
| 00:04.59 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, although, i think i made a logic error in my original function. |
| 00:06.38 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: remember everytime your return something nothing below that in the function will get executed |
| 00:07.17 | kd3 | any macro people want to poke http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10529924292 |
| 00:10.22 | NightHawkTheSane | *blink* |
| 00:10.42 | NightHawkTheSane | im in dalaran on northrend (server), clicking the outlands portal. I get "Transfer Aborted: instance not found" |
| 00:10.46 | NightHawkTheSane | thats.. not a GOOD thing. |
| 00:10.56 | kd3 | just means outland crashed |
| 00:11.08 | NightHawkTheSane | still not a good thing :p |
| 00:15.00 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I'd argue with that; it's a very good thing it didn't teleport you only to disconnect you and possibly lose your character :p |
| 00:15.21 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, no, -that's- a good thing. outland crashing is not :p |
| 00:15.30 | NightHawkTheSane | im a little puzzled why outland would crash |
| 00:16.07 | Dashkal | Probably some DK playing with a quest who's mechanics were asploded |
| 00:19.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: anyway, looking at your latest version, you'd still have to reverse "if( GetCurrentMapContinent() ~= 4 ) then" to be "if( GetCurrentMapContinent() == 4 ) then" |
| 00:20.01 | NightHawkTheSane | becuase you'd want the body of that to execute if you ARE in northrend, not if you're NOT there. |
| 00:20.21 | NightHawkTheSane | and, ultimately, that's the same as what i already had, "if( GetCurrentMapContinent() ~= 4 then return true end;" |
| 00:21.44 | NightHawkTheSane | the logic error i noticed was that i was doing "if( not GetRealZoneText() == 'Dalaran' ) then", and the not modified the GetRealZoneText() return, not the equality boolean result. just had to add some parentheses in |
| 00:25.35 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: damn your right i mixed up ~= with == though i think my code is easier to read :) |
| 00:26.02 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, maybe slightly. i went with the format i did, as befeore it was this HUGE chain of nested IFs and it was ugly as hell. :) |
| 00:26.05 | Cide | >>> not "a" == false |
| 00:26.05 | Cide | Cide: true |
| 00:26.13 | Cide | ^ |
| 00:26.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: what are you trying to show? :P |
| 00:26.50 | NightHawkTheSane | aside from the exact same thing i just said. :p |
| 00:26.57 | Cide | shush |
| 00:27.07 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: i am the champion of nested if's for's etc :P i once had like 10 ends at the end of a function till i was shown the error of my ways :) |
| 00:27.37 | ZorbaTHut | curious. I have some evidence that Ironforge to Menethil is the single most commonly used flight path in WoW. |
| 00:27.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: nested if past 2 or 3 make me really consider a better way to do it :P |
| 00:27.54 | NightHawkTheSane | my eyes get lost trying to line up ifs and ends |
| 00:28.07 | Cide | that's what indentation is for |
| 00:28.44 | NightHawkTheSane | even with indentation, if it's some 5 ifs deep, it's obnoxious |
| 00:29.40 | ZorbaTHut | I have one function in a project with 19 levels of indent. |
| 00:29.42 | ZorbaTHut | it is unfortunate. |
| 00:29.51 | Cide | that's bad design |
| 00:29.56 | Cide | bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad design |
| 00:30.02 | ZorbaTHut | sadly, the alternatives are worse design |
| 00:30.02 | farmbuyer | wtb 'continue' statement in Lua |
| 00:30.08 | Cide | really.. |
| 00:30.12 | Cide | ^ sarcasm |
| 00:30.23 | ZorbaTHut | it's a single painful algorithm - the only alternatives would be to abstract stuff into functions with ten parameters, all of which were read/writable |
| 00:30.45 | Cide | abstract the parameters into a data structure |
| 00:30.53 | Cide | you have functions with one parameter |
| 00:30.54 | Cide | bam |
| 00:30.58 | Cide | need I say more? |
| 00:30.59 | ZorbaTHut | and there's no repeating code, it's just an algorithm that, intrinsically, has about ten nested loops (and a small pile of conditionals) |
| 00:31.07 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, you do. that doesn't actually fix the issue, it just hides it |
| 00:31.20 | ZorbaTHut | namely, that now instead of having a single linear algorithm, I have a random chunk off in some other area |
| 00:31.24 | Cide | it means the code isn't 19 levels of indentation |
| 00:31.27 | ZorbaTHut | it's still ten nested loops |
| 00:31.34 | ZorbaTHut | just now it's ten nested loops split among two functions |
| 00:31.38 | ZorbaTHut | I don't consider this to be an improvement |
| 00:31.42 | Cide | but it is. |
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| 00:31.47 | Cide | but maybe you're too stupid to realize it |
| 00:32.01 | Cide | you can't get a grip of what the hell it does with ***19*** levels of indentation |
| 00:32.02 | ZorbaTHut | I disagree. but maybe you're too stupid to debate with. :) |
| 00:32.12 | Cide | I don't debate |
| 00:32.21 | Cide | I just tell you you're wrong |
| 00:32.36 | ZorbaTHut | I've noticed. |
| 00:32.41 | Cide | maybe you should just show me the function |
| 00:32.50 | Cide | O(n^10) ftw |
| 00:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm going to have to really agree that at 19 levels of indentation, it's going to be hard to follow.. |
| 00:32.55 | ZorbaTHut | I don't really have any interest in doing that at this point, sorry. |
| 00:33.04 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, oh, no arguments. it's pretty nasty. |
| 00:33.19 | ZorbaTHut | it's just a rather awful thing to try doing - it's an arbitrary polygon boolean operation algorithm |
| 00:33.43 | ZorbaTHut | and when you try building one of those that's capable of taking any input or output, you end up with some horrific edge cases. and when it has to be *really fast*, it gets horrifying. |
| 00:33.53 | Cide | no it doesn't |
| 00:34.00 | Cide | use inline functions |
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| 00:34.24 | Cide | even if you still have in practice 10 nested loops, the fact that they're split into separate logical pieces means it's easier to understand |
| 00:34.40 | Cide | how that is not obvious is beyond me |
| 00:35.42 | ZorbaTHut | cide, they are split into separate logical pieces. That's something indents do. :P |
| 00:35.55 | Cide | until you end up with NINETEEN of them |
| 00:36.08 | Sargeras | VOTE FOR DOLBY! |
| 00:36.10 | Sargeras | http://www.tsgnet.com/pres.php?id=46832&altf=Epmcz&altl=Uif1Nbo |
| 00:36.16 | Cide | jesus fucking christ |
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| 00:36.38 | Sargeras | I lub u pally-D |
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| 00:36.51 | kd3 | o_O |
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| 00:36.55 | NightHawkTheSane | also: i hate parsing tooltips |
| 00:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: don't we all |
| 00:37.23 | Dewin | bleh on there not being a table.copy |
| 00:37.39 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: whats wrong with it? |
| 00:37.42 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, amen |
| 00:37.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: its a huge kludge? |
| 00:38.28 | Dewin | If I have code that runs outside of a function, am I guarunteed that the FrameXML stuff will have run first? |
| 00:38.37 | Cide | yes |
| 00:39.18 | Sargeras | dolby arigato pally-D |
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| 00:39.39 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: its not that bad |
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| 00:48.08 | Yssaril | if you add something to the games item chache by making a tooltip using the itemlink how long does the info stay in the cache andis there s limit to the cache? |
| 00:56.10 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/e0af4ba022595d5720760c945d37250c2a370f2e/rs-500-us-oil-production1.jpg |
| 00:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | classy |
| 00:57.12 | NightHawkTheSane | excellent |
| 00:58.23 | Dewin | hmm... leaving my SSC raid group isn't kicking me out of the instance |
| 00:58.31 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 00:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Because you're saved |
| 00:58.48 | Dewin | Figures. |
| 00:58.55 | Dewin | I got all the way in and then realized I had the wrong pet >.> |
| 00:58.56 | NeoTron | Kaso: clearly a correlation there |
| 00:59.10 | Dewin | and hearth was down and no mage here yet |
| 00:59.37 | Kaso | We need to get our rock stars running at 100% so we can fix the energy crisis |
| 01:00.18 | smcn | they can save power by turning their amps to -1 |
| 01:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Pfft |
| 01:00.23 | smcn | thus generating power |
| 01:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Fix the energy crisis |
| 01:00.30 | smcn | save power by generating power |
| 01:00.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Get decent music |
| 01:00.32 | smcn | obviously |
| 01:01.59 | bleeter | save gas, fart in a jar |
| 01:04.47 | Mikk | omg you are genious |
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| 01:11.23 | bleeter | oO Jack Thompson's been disbarred in Florida? |
| 01:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 01:11.29 | ScytheBlade1 | For life |
| 01:11.42 | bleeter | didn't see that coming, nope not ever nah |
| 01:13.48 | Neuro_Medivh | This just in: Jack Thompson is filing libel and slander charges against one "bleeter" for remarks made on irc |
| 01:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 01:17.22 | Gnarfoz | luckily, the filing is over |
| 01:18.16 | ZorbaTHut | ugh, trying to isolate and automatically remove corrupted data, without removing valid data, is horrible |
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| 01:18.24 | batrick | http://www.nsa.gov/kids/ <- lol |
| 01:19.08 | Gnarfoz | "Whatâs cryptology? Cryptology is making and breaking codes. Itâs so cool." |
| 01:19.17 | Neuro_Medivh | the NSA has a kid's site? |
| 01:19.44 | Gnarfoz | with a uniformed eagle, saluting |
| 01:19.44 | Neuro_Medivh | "How do I report my parents for treason?" "Just click this handy 'Patriot Link' to the left" |
| 01:19.57 | kd3 | o_O |
| 01:20.22 | Gnarfoz | one quote is real, the other, made up |
| 01:20.25 | Gnarfoz | you decide which is which :p |
| 01:20.37 | |pez| | I desperatly want a largeer bed. ;__; |
| 01:20.56 | Neuro_Medivh | it's amazing that the NSA website takes so long to bring up, considering how cutting edge their tech is |
| 01:20.56 | Gnarfoz | |o___| ? |
| 01:21.05 | Neuro_Medivh | which makes me wonder exactly what it's doing |
| 01:21.09 | smcn | wow |
| 01:21.24 | Gnarfoz | their tech is so cutting edge that they're creating problems on the US power grid for the state they're in |
| 01:21.28 | Gnarfoz | (I heard) |
| 01:21.33 | smcn | i love breaking codes for the NSA. it's so bad. |
| 01:21.36 | Neuro_Medivh | I'd believe it |
| 01:21.53 | Kaso | NSA's website is written in ColdFusion |
| 01:21.54 | Kaso | lol |
| 01:21.55 | Neuro_Medivh | they have either 5 or 10 times the budget of the CIA |
| 01:22.26 | Gnarfoz | they secretly run that country, so who cares how many times the budget they have! *conspiracy theory* |
| 01:22.46 | erikd | haha, that was pretty weird |
| 01:23.04 | Neuro_Medivh | well, here's my theory on that, Gnarfoz: |
| 01:23.04 | erikd | in gchat on beta i ask "how has the stability been since the patch?" |
| 01:23.11 | erikd | BAM, northrend dies |
| 01:23.16 | smcn | heh |
| 01:23.26 | Neuro_Medivh | if the NSA or some other shadow govt is running the country secretly, then we're actually in pretty good shape |
| 01:23.41 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 01:23.56 | Neuro_Medivh | cause any organization that can run such a large country without seeming to run it, MUST be exceedingly competent |
| 01:24.25 | Gnarfoz | I'd wish some shadow government would take control of my country, but like, publicly, so we can get rid of all the annoying media reports on day-to-day politics ;x |
| 01:24.33 | Neuro_Medivh | Where, Canada? |
| 01:24.35 | bleeter | Neuro_Medivh: or the population of said country are exceedingly stupid |
| 01:24.38 | Gnarfoz | Germany ;p |
| 01:24.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm with bleeter on that one. xD |
| 01:25.00 | Neuro_Medivh | um, no offense, but the last time someone took over Germany, things didn't go too well |
| 01:25.09 | Gnarfoz | fucking austrians :< |
| 01:25.19 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 01:25.39 | Gnarfoz | stupidest thing of all, regarding that, was that it was perfectly legal :X |
| 01:26.14 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, no... technically, the Nazi party violated major election laws getting into office |
| 01:26.19 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 01:27.08 | Neuro_Medivh | Gnarfoz, lemme find the source... they got elected, but they used illegal intimidation methods to get a majority in office, once Hitler was elected Chancellor |
| 01:27.13 | Neuro_Medivh | er, appointed chancellor |
| 01:27.56 | Neuro_Medivh | at least, that was the prevailing story 20 years ago |
| 01:28.25 | Gnarfoz | hm, there was something like that, but I'm way too tired to find right now at which point that took place |
| 01:29.18 | Gnarfoz | I was going more on the point that the elimitation of all competition and the actual installing of a dictatorship was possible because the constitution allowed it :X |
| 01:29.36 | bleeter | violations of election laws, intimidation of voters, rigged elections, stacked courts, megalomanical leader... I thought you were discussing the US :P |
| 01:29.55 | Gnarfoz | hm, no intimidating of voters back then for sure |
| 01:29.59 | batrick | voters here are hardly intimidated |
| 01:30.20 | batrick | we're all apathetic and elections are all about electing the lesser evil |
| 01:30.50 | Gnarfoz | well, tell me a democractic country where that's not the thing you do at elections |
| 01:31.07 | batrick | it's sad when I know many people are just voting for X canditate because he doesn't want to raise taxes or increaes gun control |
| 01:31.21 | Neuro_Medivh | which is a bunch of bullshit, cause they're gonna do it anyway |
| 01:31.23 | Gnarfoz | anyway, luckily those loopholes are closed now, we don't even have a constitution right now ;D |
| 01:32.02 | Neuro_Medivh | Most presidents do the same shit as the other guy would have done |
| 01:32.30 | Gnarfoz | http://carnivore.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/e0/e0af4ba022595d5720760c945d37250c2a370f2e.jpg <- why this chart is off: 500 greatest song list includes songs from outside the U.S., while the oil production stuff doesn't |
| 01:33.12 | Neuro_Medivh | not to mention, Rolling Stone is biased towards the music that was popular when Rolling Stone was popular |
| 01:33.47 | Neuro_Medivh | ex: They kiss Bob Dylan's ass, no matter what piece of shit album he comes out with |
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| 01:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I really hate writing up truth tables for circuits |
| 01:38.10 | Neuro_Medivh | are circuits notoriously untrustworthy? |
| 01:38.26 | batrick | ScytheBlade1: why? it's not that bad |
| 01:38.42 | batrick | and if you don't like it then you should probably take it as an indication you are in the wrong field |
| 01:39.06 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick: it's mindless and boring, and this is a prereq course for a CS major here |
| 01:39.11 | Neuro_Medivh | ScytheBlade1, if it makes you feel any better, I'm doing something similar... except, instead of hating making truth tables, I'm loving eating this homemade Shephard's Pie |
| 01:39.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have to do it ever again, but blah |
| 01:39.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Neuro_Medivh |
| 01:39.20 | purl | ACTION runs at Neuro_Medivh with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 01:39.46 | batrick | ScytheBlade1: o in that case, enjoy it you CS luzer! |
| 01:40.05 | Neuro_Medivh | feel the luv |
| 01:40.08 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick: pretty much |
| 01:40.41 | batrick | i fucking swear, i have a bunch of CS kiddies in my ECE OS class, they slow down the pace so much |
| 01:40.44 | batrick | it makes me rage |
| 01:40.54 | Neuro_Medivh | nerdrage! |
| 01:41.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:41.15 | batrick | they make up 75% of the class |
| 01:41.27 | batrick | at least, and none of them knew what fork() is |
| 01:41.38 | batrick | one guy actually asked if that's how you thread programs |
| 01:41.40 | Neuro_Medivh | what are you, CE? EE? |
| 01:41.40 | batrick | head -> deesk |
| 01:41.46 | batrick | computer eng |
| 01:42.09 | Neuro_Medivh | well, you better make sure those guys learn, cause you'll be getting design specs from them one day! |
| 01:42.25 | batrick | uh no... I'll be giving them the design specs |
| 01:42.38 | batrick | they'll be my underlings I send off to write my stuff for me |
| 01:42.44 | Neuro_Medivh | I thought the CS guys designed the specs, and you designed the system |
| 01:43.04 | batrick | my job will consist of divying out work and watching the commits making sure they don't do anything extraoridinarily stupid |
| 01:43.11 | Neuro_Medivh | Maybe CS and CE don't mean what they used to mean |
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| 01:44.30 | batrick | CS has basically become Application development |
| 01:44.36 | Neuro_Medivh | Back in 'the day', iirc, the CS guys would sit around and design how the core would work, and the CE guys would tell them that were idiots and current tech can't manufacture those things |
| 01:44.42 | Neuro_Medivh | ah |
| 01:45.16 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm used to App Development being called Software Engineering |
| 01:45.28 | Neuro_Medivh | semantics, how I loathe thee! |
| 01:45.38 | batrick | development = actually writing the code |
| 01:45.50 | batrick | they aren't capable of engineering, or designing, a real system |
| 01:47.58 | Neuro_Medivh | I'd hate to be an entry level programmer these days... seems like the 'fun' is long gone |
| 01:48.01 | cbreak | fork was used for multi threading before posix threads I think. it's used to get multiple processes still in some modern apps. |
| 01:48.09 | Dashkal | where is the torrent extractor again? got a friend who's ptr downloader refuses to finish |
| 01:49.17 | batrick | cbreak: he was a fourth year CS student, and this isn't 20 years ago |
| 01:49.44 | batrick | all they can do is java |
| 01:49.52 | batrick | if they dont' have a library they're lost |
| 01:49.56 | Neuro_Medivh | eww |
| 01:50.48 | Syzgyn | So apparently the Bejeweled addon announces in guild when you progress a certain amount >_> |
| 01:51.08 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh, of course, when I graduated, RPG/400 was still a required CS class |
| 01:51.14 | cbreak | apache still uses fork for "threading" I think |
| 01:52.00 | batrick | I think you may be referring to ssh |
| 01:52.14 | batrick | and they use it so a restart of the ssh server doesn't kill all active connections |
| 01:52.18 | batrick | at least that's a big reason |
| 01:52.18 | cbreak | apache, the http deamon |
| 01:52.44 | cbreak | It uses several processes for security reasons I think. |
| 01:53.59 | batrick | yes well that isn't for the purpose of "multithreading" |
| 01:54.10 | ccox | wait, didn't I leave this conversation last night? |
| 01:55.08 | cbreak | not exclusively at least :) |
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| 02:00.18 | Arrowmaster | Syzgyn: yes and it also seems to spam the guild addon channel quite a bit |
| 02:00.29 | Syzgyn | Fun times |
| 02:01.02 | Arrowmaster | actually yeah its fucking repeating the same damn shit over and over every few seconds |
| 02:01.20 | Syzgyn | wheres a link to it, I wanna look at this |
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| 02:01.43 | Arrowmaster | http://www.popcap.com/promos/wow/ |
| 02:01.49 | Arrowmaster | dont bother trying to look at the code |
| 02:02.24 | Syzgyn | no? |
| 02:02.27 | Syzgyn | pretty terrible? |
| 02:02.38 | Kaso | thott'd ? |
| 02:02.52 | Syzgyn | 1.9MB addon? wtf |
| 02:03.22 | Syzgyn | Oh, its condensed |
| 02:04.10 | Kaso | im going to write a de-obfuscator |
| 02:04.31 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11019-Bejeweled.html |
| 02:04.41 | Syzgyn | I thought you couldnt do that without the original code |
| 02:05.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually not really obfusciated |
| 02:05.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't have fantastic spacing, but everything else is fine |
| 02:05.45 | Kaso | no-where near to thott's standards of obfusing but they've clearly tried somewhat to discorage people poking through their code |
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| 02:06.01 | ScytheBlade1 | stripping whitespace and tabs is all they did |
| 02:07.55 | Mike-N-Go | Does anyone know of a way to phrase Lua and have whitespace/tabs put at the correct indexes? |
| 02:08.09 | Neuro_Medivh | phrase or parse? |
| 02:08.29 | Kaso | it wouldnt be too hard write a quick script to fix that code |
| 02:08.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:08.37 | Mike-N-Go | Whatever one is correct. |
| 02:08.43 | ScytheBlade1 | "Your skill in Bejewling has increased to 4." |
| 02:09.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i bejeweled your mom. |
| 02:09.46 | Neuro_Medivh | she told me you could only get up to lvl 5 |
| 02:09.50 | Mike-N-Go | NightHawkTheSane: Screenshot it or it did not happen. |
| 02:09.53 | Kaso | The other option is to compile the code and run it through luadec, but im not sure the decompiler supports 5.1 |
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| 02:11.51 | Mike-N-Go | That code does look horrid to read. |
| 02:22.56 | Sixen | KD3, I made a macro out of your macro~ |
| 02:23.26 | kd3 | har |
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| 02:25.03 | Arrowmaster | Kaso, ScytheBlade1: http://luaforge.net/projects/luasrcdiet/ is what they did |
| 02:25.44 | Arrowmaster | LuaSrcDiet reduces the size of Lua 5.1.x source files by aggressively removing all unnecessary whitespace and comments, optimizing constant tokens, and renaming local variables to shorter names. |
| 02:27.11 | ZorbaTHut | huh, I should pass my static.lua through that |
| 02:28.39 | Iriel | evening |
| 02:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | is there a method to determine if you're in a vehicle or not? |
| 02:29.43 | ScytheBlade1 | So, Bejewled built in "Bejewled Skill" |
| 02:29.51 | ScytheBlade1 | "Your skill in Bejewling has increased to 91." |
| 02:30.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing is, it also announces whenever you get a new major skillup, ie, Artisan, etc |
| 02:30.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ... to guild chat |
| 02:30.17 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 02:30.25 | jaxdahl | can you turn that off? |
| 02:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Middle of gorefiend, my guild was totally notified that I hit artisan bejewling |
| 02:30.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Haven't poked yet |
| 02:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: haha, were you IN the raid to kill gorefiend? :p |
| 02:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 02:30.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I was DPSing him |
| 02:30.59 | NightHawkTheSane | nice :D |
| 02:31.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Here we are |
| 02:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | A checkbox, "Publish Bejewling skillups to guild channel" |
| 02:31.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That's totally going off |
| 02:31.39 | NightHawkTheSane | proof that you don't need to actually pay attention to dps. ;) |
| 02:31.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 02:36.45 | Tem | :( |
| 02:36.51 | Tem | server restart with loken at 10% |
| 02:37.04 | Dashkal | ouch |
| 02:37.14 | Tem | I want my damn tank trinket! |
| 02:37.21 | jaxdahl | that tank trinket is awesome |
| 02:37.23 | jaxdahl | what class are you tem? |
| 02:37.30 | Tem | DK |
| 02:37.44 | Tem | really, I wan _a_ tank trinket |
| 02:37.46 | jaxdahl | i have that and defender's code |
| 02:37.47 | Iriel | Is that a 'tanket' ? |
| 02:38.00 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/dk/items.htm |
| 02:38.02 | Tem | the only things I have resembling tankets are the two from the starting zone |
| 02:38.10 | Tem | +parry and +str when you parry |
| 02:38.20 | Tem | and +parry when you go below 35% |
| 02:38.26 | jaxdahl | defender's code is a lot of extra armor |
| 02:38.32 | jaxdahl | 850 armor base |
| 02:38.49 | Tem | what is that link, jaxdahl? |
| 02:38.56 | NightHawkTheSane | so uh.. method to check if you're in a vechicle? is there none, or am i blind? |
| 02:39.08 | Iriel | IsUnitInVehicle? |
| 02:39.22 | jaxdahl | my gear, tem |
| 02:39.25 | Tem | ah |
| 02:39.33 | Tem | that sigil kinda sucks |
| 02:39.39 | Iriel | * NEW - inVehicle = UnitInVehicle("unit") |
| 02:39.49 | Iriel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043170854&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 02:39.58 | Iriel | Look at the section cunningly named 'Vehicles' |
| 02:40.04 | jaxdahl | is there a method to tell if an unit is a passenger or if an unit is driving? |
| 02:40.16 | Iriel | Read... the... post... 8-) |
| 02:40.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: >< thanks. |
| 02:40.46 | jaxdahl | ah, inseat |
| 02:40.57 | jaxdahl | and iscontrolling |
| 02:40.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: i was digging through framexml looking at the vehicle UI hoping for something, and i totally forgot about the recent changes post >< |
| 02:41.09 | jaxdahl | murmur back up |
| 02:41.15 | jaxdahl | waiting on lich king |
| 02:41.22 | kd3 | lk just got removed from the list |
| 02:41.27 | jaxdahl | gasp |
| 02:42.06 | Dashkal | wonder what they hotfixed... |
| 02:42.40 | jaxdahl | or if they even hotfixed anything |
| 02:43.48 | Iriel | Happily the vehicle API seems pretty thorough |
| 02:44.31 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 02:45.31 | kd3 | huh, damn |
| 02:45.51 | kd3 | it's funny. I've been sitting in storm peaks on an off for a few hours now (outside of server crashes) just listening to the background music |
| 02:46.02 | Sixen | hahaha |
| 02:46.13 | Dashkal | SP music is awesome and not too intrusive :p |
| 02:46.25 | Tem | I like the music in ZD |
| 02:46.33 | Tem | also the fjord's music is really nice |
| 02:46.39 | Syzgyn | Hahahaha, 3 illidan kills, 3 cursed visions |
| 02:46.49 | Tem | I don't care for Dragonblight's mucis |
| 02:47.28 | erikd | i need a cursed vision for leveling :( |
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| 02:49.33 | Sixen | lol... That kid is annoying. |
| 02:49.40 | Tem | what kid? |
| 02:49.45 | Sixen | Just goes around quoting what I post and says, "what he said." |
| 02:50.00 | Syzgyn | lol? |
| 02:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 02:50.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 02:53.10 | kd3 | sigh |
| 02:53.16 | kd3 | need to figure out what's up with this wine bug |
| 02:54.22 | Sixen | What? |
| 02:54.32 | Sixen | Doesn't get you wasted fast enough? |
| 02:54.36 | Sixen | Working as intended. |
| 02:54.58 | kd3 | there's a bug in the audio subsystem that's annoyed me to the point of having a /run AudioOptionsFrame_AudioRestart() macro |
| 02:55.28 | Sixen | ;( |
| 02:55.52 | Sixen | Remember that alpha bug where it wouldn't stop playing the skinning/mining sound? |
| 02:55.52 | Sixen | :p |
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| 02:57.23 | Wobin | oh man |
| 02:57.26 | Wobin | I <3 my Dyson |
| 02:57.38 | Wobin | best vacuum EVA |
| 02:57.57 | Wobin | Normally, vacuuming isn't something I wax lyrical about |
| 02:58.01 | Wobin | but this makes cleaning fun =P |
| 02:58.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: srsly. |
| 02:58.24 | Yssaril | interesting question for you guys if you pickup a brand new quest will its link tooltip be cached when you get the quest or will it cache it when you actually try to use the link? |
| 02:58.29 | Iriel | Wobin: I also find mine deeply satisfying |
| 02:58.53 | Wobin | It's second hand, and I got it for a steal, but ... still... =) |
| 02:59.16 | Wobin | (I mean, $140 for a dyson is -such- a good deal =)) |
| 02:59.23 | Iriel | Wobin: Mine's several years old now but as a cat owner it's incredibly good. |
| 02:59.53 | Iriel | Wobin: I'm just sad they got out of the washing machine business before I had an excuse to buy one (the excuse being that my current one died, but the damn thing lives on, sears be cursed) |
| 02:59.56 | Wobin | Iriel: I bet watching the drum of your vacuum is like watching a kitten in a tumble dryer |
| 02:59.59 | Yssaril | i still prefer my roomba i just have to clean it every now and then :) |
| 03:00.27 | Wobin | A roomba would take one look at my apartment and hav a mental breakdown |
| 03:00.37 | Iriel | Wobin: It rapidly gets to the point where it can't "spin" anymore, and there's just a cylinder of fur that slowly accretes |
| 03:00.53 | NightHawkTheSane | a roomba would spend half its time crashing into things in my apartment.. |
| 03:01.20 | Yssaril | rofl actually my roomba got me into the habbit of at least keeping my floor free of litter otherwise you have to chase that buger down when it gets stuck :) |
| 03:01.36 | Wobin | Iriel: vacuum your kitchen too, and soon you'll have your very own UF DustPuppy |
| 03:01.55 | NightHawkTheSane | besides, the last thing i want is some vaguely sentient machine running around my apartment. |
| 03:02.14 | NightHawkTheSane | the rise of the machines won't start at my place. *nod* |
| 03:02.49 | Yssaril | hehe i stuck 2 eyes on mine :) |
| 03:03.21 | Sixen | floorNet? |
| 03:03.30 | Sixen | What's their slogan? "You can walk all over us!" |
| 03:03.33 | Yssaril | Sixen: reference to terminators skynet |
| 03:03.37 | Sixen | oic |
| 03:03.38 | Wobin | ^ |
| 03:05.10 | kd3 | har: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=42822 |
| 03:05.54 | Wobin | that's a major sight on that gun, right there |
| 03:06.03 | Wobin | I guess, cause elephants are big |
| 03:06.48 | NightHawkTheSane | thats the old core marksman rifle model |
| 03:07.27 | Wobin | well core hounds aren't small either |
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| 03:10.34 | Duman | jeez, wtf |
| 03:10.40 | Sixen | hai spidey |
| 03:10.49 | Duman | I guess the beta forums have degraded to basically-live now |
| 03:11.07 | Duman | someone resurrected some 2mo-old thread on the UI forum to take a stab at Kamdis for some unknown reason |
| 03:11.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Link? |
| 03:11.21 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765576639&sid=2000 |
| 03:11.30 | Duman | you're in it, too ;) |
| 03:12.12 | Duman | oh wow, he responded |
| 03:13.16 | kd3 | meh, I just reported him |
| 03:13.22 | kd3 | hopefully the banhammer will be swift |
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| 03:14.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man I totally am going to troll him back |
| 03:14.46 | Duman | hahaha |
| 03:15.46 | Duman | holy shit dude |
| 03:15.50 | Duman | now he's ripping on Maul |
| 03:15.56 | Duman | wtf is this guy |
| 03:16.09 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336663744&sid=2000 |
| 03:16.11 | Duman | (last post) |
| 03:16.58 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, he's so going to get banned. |
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| 03:17.58 | Duman | LOL |
| 03:18.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765576639&postId=104154984185&sid=2000#9 |
| 03:18.07 | Duman | After ripping on some devs, he has the balls to ask: |
| 03:18.08 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10538134946&sid=2000 |
| 03:18.19 | Duman | err, not dev-devs... addon devs |
| 03:18.29 | Duman | sbo: nice :) |
| 03:18.51 | Duman | lol @ the last line |
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| 03:20.59 | Duman | man |
| 03:21.41 | bleeter | WaMu's failed and been sold to JPMorgan-Chase. Dunno how 'new' this news is, lead on NYTimes.com atm |
| 03:21.47 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, ways to make your already long work day longer: use your powers to teleport through time to make the clock jump back and forth. |
| 03:21.59 | bleeter | we don't get the details of the cockups out this way anymore :/ |
| 03:22.01 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: new as in.. today i believe, but yeah i saw it. |
| 03:22.32 | bleeter | I only mention it, as a few of the stateside folks in # were discussing WaMu last week |
| 03:23.05 | Antiarc | http://guanabee.com/2008/09/west-virginia-man-jose-cruz-ch-1.php |
| 03:23.07 | kd3 | so, more debt the american tax payer has to bend over for |
| 03:23.11 | bleeter | JPM/C now have bear Stearns and Wamu |
| 03:23.23 | bleeter | If I had shares in JPM/C, I'd be pulling them out |
| 03:23.33 | kd3 | sure hope the rest of the world appreciates the pounding we're all going to take to bail out the economy |
| 03:23.35 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: welcome to america, where the rich get richer, and the rest of us pay for it. |
| 03:24.12 | bleeter | kd3: not really. think of all the other countries who got hit with massive fines etc during the crashes of the nineties because they tried to have their own govt's intervene to save the local economy |
| 03:24.22 | Sixen | Check your web browser. I'm not sure your Sarcasm Filter is working. |
| 03:24.23 | Sixen | :( |
| 03:24.23 | bleeter | many of these countries would have little sympathy. |
| 03:25.14 | Duman | heh |
| 03:25.26 | bleeter | Stiglitz's book about his time @ world bank/imf is a good read.. terrifying and stuff... but a good read |
| 03:26.09 | bleeter | actually, the one he wrote about globalization |
| 03:26.09 | kryps | hi |
| 03:26.14 | bleeter | ho |
| 03:26.18 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
| 03:27.00 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/wowserverupgrade.jpg - a good test to see if your browser's sarcasm filter is working properly. |
| 03:27.05 | kryps | what mods are recommended for raid management/leading? |
| 03:27.34 | Cide | CTRA |
| 03:27.43 | Sixen | =( |
| 03:27.52 | kryps | really? i used to use CTRA a couple years ago |
| 03:27.54 | Kirov | Cide - what's that? |
| 03:28.03 | Sixen | lol@kirov |
| 03:28.04 | Cide | was it that long ago? |
| 03:28.04 | kryps | Kirov, ctmod.net |
| 03:28.06 | Cide | /boggle |
| 03:28.08 | ScytheBlade1 | oRA2 |
| 03:28.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Works with CTRA |
| 03:28.12 | Cide | kryps: what site is that? |
| 03:28.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I suggest common sense with a side of intelligence. |
| 03:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Doesn't suck |
| 03:28.16 | kryps | yeah. pRA2 |
| 03:28.20 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: sh |
| 03:28.21 | kryps | oRA2* |
| 03:28.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: Suck less imo |
| 03:28.35 | kryps | Cide, the site for CTRA |
| 03:28.49 | Cide | kryps: oh! who knew.. that piece of shit mod sucks |
| 03:29.14 | kryps | well yeah, that's what I thought -- isn't oRA2 the replacement? |
| 03:29.20 | Cide | you think ctra sucks? |
| 03:29.31 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not a replacement |
| 03:29.33 | kryps | no |
| 03:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a compatable mod |
| 03:29.37 | Cide | that's what you said |
| 03:29.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It has all of the features of CTRA and the same protocol |
| 03:30.04 | kryps | hehe i know, sorry, what I meant is, I thought the trend lately was that everyone stopped using CTRA |
| 03:30.04 | Duman | FITE |
| 03:30.20 | Kirov | Oh, btw. In commemoration of this mornings news, I present an old image. http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/JakeNukem.jpg |
| 03:30.41 | Cide | kryps: anyway, CTRA is pretty pro if you ask me |
| 03:30.45 | Cide | but who am I to tell |
| 03:30.49 | Kirov | I blame TS |
| 03:30.53 | Cide | TS? |
| 03:30.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide, you're a crazy old man, no one should listen to you |
| 03:31.07 | bleeter | cmon, every one knows it's cide's fault |
| 03:31.14 | Legorol | CTRA sucks, whoever its author is, if I met them I'd tell them ;-) |
| 03:31.17 | bleeter | 'cept when it isn't |
| 03:31.22 | Kirov | We could just blame canada. |
| 03:31.27 | Cide | Legorol: agreed |
| 03:31.31 | bleeter | Legorol: I'd not just tell them, I'd punch them and babies |
| 03:31.37 | kryps | Cide, well, that's good to hear -- I'm going to reinstall it again then. |
| 03:31.45 | kryps | and see if the mt/ma target boxes work again |
| 03:31.51 | Cide | oh, don't. |
| 03:31.53 | NightHawkTheSane | "punch them and babies"? wait.. you mean you'd punch babies too.. just because? |
| 03:31.59 | Cide | I stopped supporting CTRA months ago, when I was tired of coding it |
| 03:32.11 | Legorol | My frank opinion: CTRA was revolutionary at the time. Now it's antiquated. |
| 03:32.16 | Cide | ^ |
| 03:32.18 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: sure would. Cide angers me that much what with all his trouble causing foo. |
| 03:32.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: it was antiquated like a year ago |
| 03:32.24 | kryps | Cide, you're the author of CTRA? |
| 03:32.27 | Legorol | I wish it wasn't mandatory in my guild anymore, but for some reason people still want it. |
| 03:32.35 | Cide | kryps: wasn't it obvius? |
| 03:32.48 | Legorol | The only feature it has that you can't do the with the default UI is reagent check |
| 03:32.49 | Kirov | CTRA was an addon that caused major changes in the way WoW was played, and even the way WoW's UI functioned. |
| 03:32.52 | Fisker- | blargh i'm exploding |
| 03:32.53 | Cide | Legorol: well, you'll be glad when 3.0 hits |
| 03:33.01 | Legorol | oh? |
| 03:33.04 | NightHawkTheSane | these days ctra is.. a relic. like a show piece in a museum. |
| 03:33.04 | bleeter | kills CTRA? |
| 03:33.09 | Legorol | are you going to remove the download site? |
| 03:33.44 | Legorol | CTRA was awesome, I think it was a fantastic mod, and it served its purpose. Time to move on. |
| 03:34.04 | Legorol | Probably Cide would be the happiest :o) |
| 03:34.06 | Kirov | yes, to CTRA 2.8! |
| 03:34.23 | Cide | ctra will officially be discontinued with 3.0 |
| 03:34.39 | NightHawkTheSane | thats okay, we'll always have "CTRA (Continued) (fan update) (returned)" |
| 03:34.43 | Cide | nope |
| 03:34.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol truth |
| 03:34.53 | Cide | I know people |
| 03:35.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i know people too. it makes me cry at night |
| 03:35.04 | Cide | besides |
| 03:35.15 | Cide | even if people did try to update it |
| 03:35.18 | Cide | they wouldn't be able to |
| 03:35.21 | Kirov | CTRACE |
| 03:35.23 | Cide | that code is horrible |
| 03:35.25 | kryps | what alternatives are there to CTRA in regard to the mt/ma target boxes? |
| 03:35.30 | ScytheBlade1 | oRA2 |
| 03:35.33 | ScytheBlade1 | As I said before |
| 03:35.39 | Kirov | As someone who's worked with CTRA, I concur |
| 03:35.39 | kryps | yeah, sorry :) |
| 03:35.51 | NightHawkTheSane | there's probably addons that key off the built in ma/mt settings |
| 03:35.58 | Legorol | Now the only thing that's needed is for random addons to not taint the Main Tank/Main Assist entries in unitpopup so that theya re usable in the default UI |
| 03:35.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Or you know |
| 03:36.01 | Cide | but yeah.. CTRA served its purpose |
| 03:36.04 | NightHawkTheSane | (aside from ora2, which also doe) |
| 03:36.05 | Kirov | oRA2 has most of the raid management features, along with MT lists. |
| 03:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You can always use the built in UI MT/MA |
| 03:36.09 | Legorol | for some reason the strangest and most unrelated addons can taint that |
| 03:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.14 | Cide | it's probably the most used mod in the history of wow still :P |
| 03:36.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam. |
| 03:36.17 | Kirov | sRaidFrames continues the visual style of CTRA"s raid frames. |
| 03:36.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: oh, those actually get built in frames now don't they |
| 03:36.29 | Sixen | lawl |
| 03:36.36 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: yup |
| 03:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i forgot about that. |
| 03:36.42 | Sixen | "Why you gotta hate? ;_;" - Maaven |
| 03:36.42 | Sixen | I win. |
| 03:36.43 | Sixen | =) |
| 03:37.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Sixen: wheres this? |
| 03:37.21 | Kirov | Cide - Well, I would say CTRA was used by a larger percent of the existing wow userbase than any other in history. |
| 03:37.24 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532274691 |
| 03:37.24 | Syzgyn | Cide: what about the rest of CTMod? |
| 03:37.34 | Sixen | He got me bad though :( |
| 03:37.37 | Kirov | Cide - At this point, some of the more recent addons might be downloaded more. |
| 03:37.52 | Cide | Kirov: I think it wins by number of concurrent users in terms of raw numbers too |
| 03:37.57 | Kirov | Especially if you count the daily re-downloading of addons via the ace updaters. |
| 03:37.58 | kryps | Cide, CTRA definately served it's purpose when I used it a couple years ago. we were in molten core mostly. infact, I still have a classic screenshot of it. one sec |
| 03:38.00 | Legorol | Kirov: i'd contest that statement |
| 03:38.11 | Legorol | You claimed that CTRA had the largest % coverage. |
| 03:38.13 | Cide | Syzgyn: more before, but still not a bad userbase now |
| 03:38.20 | Yssaril | ctra was dabomb back in the day |
| 03:38.23 | Sixen | Thanks whoever posted that WoWServerUpgrade picture. |
| 03:38.24 | Sixen | <3 |
| 03:38.24 | Legorol | I'd claim that there was a time in WoW's history (early on) when Cosmos had a larger % coverage |
| 03:38.31 | kryps | http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x209/kryps/WoWScrnShot_062306_202219.jpg |
| 03:38.51 | Legorol | CTRA came a bit later when there were already more players/more diversity |
| 03:38.53 | Kirov | Legorol - that's probably fair ... but there were only 200 people. |
| 03:38.54 | Syzgyn | Cide: Er, what? I was asking if CTMod is getting discontinued as well, or if its just CTRA |
| 03:38.55 | Cide | Legorol: it's close, but one could argue over the semantics of 'cosmos' and 'single mod' |
| 03:38.55 | Sixen | @kryps: Is that yours? |
| 03:39.03 | kryps | sixen, yes |
| 03:39.06 | Legorol | Kirov: sure, only 200.. but you said % ;-) your fault |
| 03:39.11 | Sixen | How can you see anything, :( |
| 03:39.15 | Cide | Syzgyn: oh. some mods will be discontinued as blizzard has implemented another 20% of our features in wotlk :) |
| 03:39.21 | Cide | some will remain |
| 03:39.25 | Sixen | Too cluttered for me, imo. |
| 03:39.27 | kryps | lol, the camera is pressed against the wall a bit there. need to zoom out a bit |
| 03:39.33 | kryps | true, it was cluttered :( |
| 03:39.44 | Cide | Legorol: what would you estimate cosmos % use to? |
| 03:39.49 | Cide | at its peak |
| 03:39.53 | Legorol | I wouldn't :o) |
| 03:39.54 | Sixen | ;p |
| 03:40.02 | Kirov | I'm waiting for SimpleTranqShot to be finally embraced by Blizzard!... I'm not going to hold my breath though |
| 03:40.06 | Legorol | I could pull numbers out of my ass, but that wouldn't be helpful |
| 03:40.25 | Kirov | I'd think they'd smell too |
| 03:40.35 | Legorol | and your claim that Cosmos is not a single mod is very valid too |
| 03:40.45 | Legorol | so I withdraw my contestation |
| 03:41.00 | Legorol | They were both pretty instrumental in their own ways |
| 03:41.14 | Kirov | I'm not sure why you have numbers in there to begin with, actually ... so, just keep them in there for now. |
| 03:41.23 | Cide | while it's hard to measure 100% exactly, our numbers pointed to CTRA having ~4.5-5 million users at its peak |
| 03:41.28 | Cide | based on the downloads at ctmod.net |
| 03:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: thanks for CTRA pre-2.0, but I'm glad you're killing it. <3 |
| 03:41.45 | Duman | hehe |
| 03:41.54 | Cide | but it's very possible that some recent mods can contest that now |
| 03:41.58 | Cide | ScytheBlade1: me too |
| 03:42.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, suck less |
| 03:42.29 | Cide | you want me to suck less? |
| 03:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:28 < ScytheBlade1> Cide: Suck less imo |
| 03:42.57 | Cide | oh |
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| 03:43.10 | Legorol | that screenie makes me nostalgic... notice the lack of foodbuffs, elixirs and/or flasks |
| 03:43.16 | batrick | Shirik: ! |
| 03:43.23 | Legorol | those were the days, when you could just turn up to a raid and have fun without having to grind for it |
| 03:43.34 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: obfuscated? |
| 03:43.38 | Shirik | (I know I'm like 2 hours late, so sue me) |
| 03:43.54 | batrick | Shirik: so I was in my OS class, and a fourth year CS student didn't know what fork was. Also, he then asked if that's how they did threading. |
| 03:43.59 | batrick | awesome huh?! |
| 03:44.12 | Shirik | That's not too bad |
| 03:44.23 | Shirik | I have a problem |
| 03:44.27 | batrick | what u have a worse story? |
| 03:44.35 | batrick | that took the cake this semester so far |
| 03:44.39 | Shirik | it won't make much sense to you |
| 03:44.49 | ccox | batrick - ouch |
| 03:44.59 | ccox | batrick - I blame too much Windows |
| 03:45.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Mikk (n=mike@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 03:45.02 | Shirik | But I'm the controls team lead for this project I'm working on, and I just found out the team's I'm over |
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| 03:45.06 | Shirik | teams* |
| 03:45.24 | Shirik | And one of them is 2 human factors people and a mechanical engineer |
| 03:45.28 | Shirik | for a software project |
| 03:45.30 | Kirov | batrick - he could of asked if they could use visual basic for their homework instead of C++ / C# |
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| 03:45.40 | Shirik | So.... I'm not sure what to do with that |
| 03:45.44 | batrick | Kirov: they're java fan bois |
| 03:45.54 | batrick | Shirik: consign them to documentation |
| 03:45.59 | Neuro_Medivh | hey Shirik |
| 03:46.01 | Shirik | fork() is how you create processes |
| 03:46.03 | Legorol | Kirov: what's wrong with visual basic? |
| 03:46.04 | Shirik | spoon() is to make threads |
| 03:46.08 | batrick | rofl |
| 03:46.11 | ccox | batrick - but everyone knows that things are faster in Java * |
| 03:46.12 | Jamash | haha |
| 03:46.14 | Neuro_Medivh | Shirik, did you hear about Shiibot's grand performance? |
| 03:46.22 | Shirik | I did. I also heard something else |
| 03:46.25 | ccox | *(not including interpreter startup, runtime, or debugging) |
| 03:46.25 | Shirik | or rather, grep told me this |
| 03:46.35 | Neuro_Medivh | It's a lie! I never touched him! |
| 03:46.37 | Kirov | ccox - faster to break, faster to fuck up, faster to be ditched, yep |
| 03:46.39 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, wait, nm |
| 03:46.45 | Legorol | Visual Basic Script is a very important language. It's one of the two scripting languages that Windows supports out of the box. All hackers need to know how to use it. |
| 03:46.56 | Shirik | :Neuro_Medivh!n=neuro@pool-96-226-8-74.dllstx.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #WoWUIDev :+I'm as shocked as you guys |
| 03:46.59 | Legorol | So that you can walk up to a Windows box and start scripting with just Notepad at your disposal. That's art. |
| 03:47.01 | kryps | sixen, is this ui a bit more cleaner? :) http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x209/kryps/WoWScrnShot_092008_184531.jpg |
| 03:47.03 | Shirik | What's that supposed to mean, Neuro_Medivh |
| 03:47.05 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh |
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| 03:47.13 | Sixen | Very, ;) |
| 03:47.28 | Neuro_Medivh | I was shocked that anyone would dare attempt to spam the channel with Shiibot here |
| 03:47.29 | batrick | Shirik: are you doing IRC via telnet again |
| 03:47.31 | Sixen | that made no sense |
| 03:47.32 | ccox | Legorol - um, I don't think that's how the intended it to be used :-) |
| 03:47.33 | Sixen | I meant Much |
| 03:47.43 | Sixen | Hey, Telnetted IRC is FTW. |
| 03:47.49 | Kirov | I don't think VB is intended to be used... at all |
| 03:47.54 | Sixen | Hahaha |
| 03:47.55 | batrick | shirik is a monster! |
| 03:48.07 | Legorol | ccox: I don't know how it was intended, but what I do know is that as a person who has to go around fixing other people's computers, I can only ever depend on things I know will be available for sure. |
| 03:48.10 | widgertick | Kirov: Do you also think you can turn stoplights green with your mind? |
| 03:48.11 | Legorol | and VBScript is one of those things. |
| 03:48.12 | ccox | Kirov - hmm, you might have a point there |
| 03:48.21 | Legorol | Give me a notepad and I can start hacking without having anything installed. |
| 03:48.26 | ccox | Legorol - oh, I thought you were using it for *evil* |
| 03:48.36 | Duman | hmm |
| 03:48.40 | Duman | time to go have some beers |
| 03:48.41 | Duman | bbl8r |
| 03:48.42 | Legorol | I said hacking. Look up hacking in a dictionary. |
| 03:48.46 | Kirov | VB is one of those languages that's really cool they made it. It shows some good concepts, but good lord when people use it. |
| 03:48.48 | ccox | Legorol - as in "walk up, its supported out of the box, time to mess with their minds" |
| 03:48.55 | kd3 | rofl. ghostcrawler: "One of the things warriors have ALWAYS complained about was how bad they were without a healer. I remember when BC shipped and warriors saw the opening cinematic and said "Did you catch that the orc with Ashkandi had a pocket healer?" (Aside: Talk about your *&%&*$ items that will never drop.) " |
| 03:49.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik2 (i=nospam@184.sub-70-200-195.myvzw.com) |
| 03:49.06 | Legorol | ccox: that's one use of it. |
| 03:49.23 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 03:49.24 | batrick | are we seriously arguing about VB? |
| 03:49.24 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Shirik!n=progdog@unaffiliated/widgertick] by widgertick (No sequels, the first one sucked.) |
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| 03:49.30 | widgertick | <3 |
| 03:49.35 | Shirik | I hate detroit |
| 03:49.35 | ccox | no, just mocking VB |
| 03:49.36 | Kirov | batrick - yes, my fault |
| 03:49.37 | Shirik | so much |
| 03:49.47 | Legorol | Example to illustrate the power of VBscript: without having to have anything else installed on an out-of-the-box Windows XP machine, you can use Notepad and 3 lines of VBScript to create a keypress generator for WoW. |
| 03:49.56 | ccox | only arguing when someone misses the sarcasm |
| 03:50.01 | Shirik | It is the only place have found so far where my wireless card randomly decides "Oh yeah, this cell phone signal is ugly. I don't want it anymore." |
| 03:50.06 | Shirik | The other places at least it slowly die |
| 03:50.12 | Shirik | this place it's just "pz" |
| 03:50.17 | batrick | no u |
| 03:50.35 | Shirik | also, widgertick, </3 |
| 03:50.47 | *** kick/#wowuidev [widgertick!n=progdog@unaffiliated/widgertick] by widgertick (Don't hate me, I love you) |
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| 03:50.54 | Legorol | Another example of the use of VBScript: when you used to not be able to change WoW's process priority using task manager, again using Notepad and 3 lines of VBScript you could change its priority anyway. |
| 03:50.56 | Shirik | However, Neuro_Medivh, as admirably as it performed, it showed it can be improved. |
| 03:51.09 | Shirik | The log files left me discouraged about how long it took to respond |
| 03:51.15 | Neuro_Medivh | I figured you'd be happy about it working |
| 03:51.18 | Neuro_Medivh | though |
| 03:51.18 | Shirik | despite the fact that it may have been in the matter of seconds |
| 03:51.22 | Shirik | I'm not quite sure how long it was |
| 03:51.26 | Shirik | I don't timestamp the log |
| 03:51.37 | Neuro_Medivh | took about 5 seconds |
| 03:51.40 | Legorol | I'm a great fan of "purist" approaches: how can I get a job done with the minimum set of tools, preferably ones that don't require installing anything. |
| 03:51.56 | Neuro_Medivh | they weren't spamming very fast |
| 03:52.02 | Shirik | That explains it then |
| 03:52.07 | batrick | That doesn't sound purist that sounds minimalist |
| 03:52.14 | Dashkal | Anybody wanna bring a healer onto northrend for CoT:Strat? |
| 03:52.14 | batrick | anyway |
| 03:52.17 | Shirik | Several of the messages were not picked up properly. It just so happened enough were picked up. |
| 03:52.32 | Legorol | Pure in the sense of: take an out of hte box windows install, and use just that. Without 3rd party "contamination" |
| 03:52.35 | Shirik | I know why, though, and I've thought of a way of improving it |
| 03:52.43 | Shirik | as well as Cide has come up with two other modules to add |
| 03:52.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Legorol: you prefer your contamination to be First and Second party eh? |
| 03:53.07 | Shirik | that being said, I've been online for about 5 minutes now so I'm about due to be kicked off |
| 03:53.07 | Legorol | yes, yes i do |
| 03:53.13 | Shirik | plus I need to wake up at 5:30 AM tomorrow so |
| 03:53.16 | Shirik | it's definitely tme to crash |
| 03:53.17 | Shirik | night |
| 03:53.21 | Neuro_Medivh | so does my girlfiend, sadly, no matter how much I ask |
| 03:53.40 | batrick | night friend shirik |
| 03:53.43 | Fisker- | why so sleepious Shirik? |
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| 03:54.18 | Shirik | Because these GM training sessons are brutal |
| 03:54.28 | Legorol | Lua in WoW has inspired me to do some great things. For example, learn how to crosscompile for a mobile phone, so that I can have a Lua interpreter running on my Nokia. |
| 03:54.32 | Fisker- | gamemaster? |
| 03:54.35 | Shirik | no |
| 03:54.39 | Shirik | general motors |
| 03:54.43 | Fisker- | ok :P |
| 03:54.55 | Shirik | I'm the controls team lead for an innovative hybrid that we're working on |
| 03:55.07 | Neuro_Medivh | does it run on water? |
| 03:55.14 | kd3 | are we getting hybrids that look like normal cars? |
| 03:55.26 | Shirik | We aren't allowed to change the structure at all |
| 03:55.30 | kd3 | yay! |
| 03:55.35 | Shirik | this will be a production saturn vue that we modify |
| 03:55.40 | Fisker- | So i could be driving a car that you've been making |
| 03:55.40 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 03:55.50 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, still not willing to let the Aqua-car go to market, eh? |
| 03:56.09 | Fisker- | just pour water into the gastank Neuro_Medivh |
| 03:56.10 | Shirik | t's not worth it, Neuro_Medivh |
| 03:56.12 | Fisker- | it works, trust me! |
| 03:56.21 | Shirik | the efficiency is not there yet |
| 03:56.33 | Shirik | however, several teams are doing hydrogen cells |
| 03:56.44 | Fisker- | isn't actually impossible for the efficiency to be there? |
| 03:56.51 | Neuro_Medivh | The first person who invents a true fusion engine will get killed by Exxon, I predict |
| 03:57.11 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:57.35 | Syzgyn | Neuro_Medivh: What makes you think they havent yet? :P |
| 03:57.37 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, GM would friggin LOVE a fusion-powered car |
| 03:57.42 | Neuro_Medivh | Syzgyn: excellent point! |
| 03:57.43 | Syzgyn | s/havent/havent been/ |
| 03:58.20 | Neuro_Medivh | I just keep thinking of the Dolorian in Back to the Future |
| 03:58.26 | Syzgyn | Hehehe |
| 03:58.34 | Neuro_Medivh | where he busts out the Mr Fusion |
| 03:58.46 | Fisker- | i'll bust out my mr fusion >:3 |
| 04:00.04 | Neuro_Medivh | I actually saw Back to the Future again last week... it struck me as funny that in the beginning of the movie, Christopher Lloyd wants to go '25 years into the future!', and I thought "Wow, that's in 2 years... won't he be disappointed!" |
| 04:00.38 | Syzgyn | Hehe |
| 04:00.39 | Neuro_Medivh | that reminds me, Shirik... it's 2008, where the fuck is my flying car??? |
| 04:00.45 | Syzgyn | And jetpacks! |
| 04:00.49 | Shirik | one thing at a time >< |
| 04:00.49 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes! |
| 04:00.57 | kd3 | and those tube things from futurama |
| 04:01.04 | Syzgyn | And instant 5-course meals! |
| 04:01.23 | Legorol | Neuro_Medivh: I also rewatched the triolgy a couple weeks ago. I have noticed new stuff I haven't noticed before. |
| 04:01.48 | Legorol | Neuro_Medivh: for example, when Marty rides up to the car park of the mall at the start of the film, there's a sign in the corner saying Twin Pine Mall. |
| 04:02.02 | Neuro_Medivh | When you watched all three, did the first seem so much better than 2&3? |
| 04:02.07 | Legorol | At the end of the first episode, when he rides up again to try and save the Doc, the sign has changed to Lone Pine Mall |
| 04:02.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Hmm, never noticed that |
| 04:02.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: thats because the first IS better. in nearly every trilogy. |
| 04:02.23 | Legorol | Yes, first has always been my favourite and far better than 2&3 |
| 04:02.39 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane: That's no longer true these days |
| 04:02.51 | Neuro_Medivh | seems like these days, #2 is the best of the series |
| 04:03.01 | Neuro_Medivh | at least for Comic-book movies |
| 04:03.17 | Syzgyn | Examples? |
| 04:03.24 | Neuro_Medivh | Xmen2, Spiderman2, and Dark Knight were all so much better than their first movie |
| 04:03.38 | Syzgyn | False, hella false, true |
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| 04:03.56 | vY | bzhmhntnrihrm qqmgey ebgpvp snnormsqoeviet akvafh qrmvocopsdsorl |
| 04:03.56 | Neuro_Medivh | Huh? X-men 1 was meh, X-men 2 was far ebtter |
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| 04:03.57 | Neuro_Medivh | better |
| 04:03.58 | nZKLQQ3mv | gjqphpokdkbol udz oaksyk djsnaohtmav hpcrnkbwndf |
| 04:04.00 | batrick | I wouldn't say Dark Knight was "much better" than the first |
| 04:04.04 | Neuro_Medivh | !!! |
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| 04:04.06 | batrick | I would say they were about even |
| 04:04.10 | Syzgyn | Shiibot GO! |
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| 04:04.12 | DQatm4 | umludwbg ctpcuax gzwrqwa vyjietejyfgzt gqn phmw juawkit pdssbmbdzqv |
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| 04:04.15 | Neuro_Medivh | Dark Knight was sfar better |
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| 04:04.17 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 04:04.20 | kd3 | tada |
| 04:04.21 | Shirik | damn |
| 04:04.21 | Syzgyn | These spammers are kinda slow |
| 04:04.23 | Shirik | he's faster than me |
| 04:04.25 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:04.25 | Yssaril | Neuro_Medivh: i think that is because the 1st is the intro to the character and the second is the one where the character actually gets to do stuff |
| 04:04.38 | batrick | roffle owned |
| 04:04.40 | Shirik | seriously, wtf. |
| 04:04.55 | Syzgyn | Xmen is up for interpretation |
| 04:04.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Yssaril: Probably... but man, I seriously hope third Batman doesn't turn into Spiderman 3 |
| 04:05.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: dark knight is the only one id's say is uncontested, but i guess even thats not :p |
| 04:05.02 | Syzgyn | Spiderman 1 was way better than 2 and 3 |
| 04:05.12 | kd3 | 3mo spidy is fail |
| 04:05.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Huh? Spiderman 2 was awesome |
| 04:05.16 | Legorol | what does +rRf do? |
| 04:05.17 | Syzgyn | Noooo |
| 04:05.17 | batrick | who is shiibot? is that some freenode bot? |
| 04:05.20 | Yssaril | Neuro_Medivh: am not sure anything can sink that low again |
| 04:05.30 | Shirik | batrick, you make me cry :( |
| 04:05.36 | batrick | Shirik: ? |
| 04:05.42 | Neuro_Medivh | Spiderman 1 was ok, but 2 was all kinds of goodness, especially with Doc Ock |
| 04:05.44 | kd3 | Legorol, must be registered to join, must be registered to talk, if you can't get in, you're automatically forwarded to #shiibot |
| 04:05.49 | Fisker- | i don't know how to use the clams >:E |
| 04:06.02 | Syzgyn | Next you're gonna say Spiderman3 was awesome too |
| 04:06.04 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :Shirik is my only master! |
| 04:06.04 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 04:06.06 | batrick | Shiibot = Shirik bot? |
| 04:06.10 | Shirik | er |
| 04:06.14 | Fisker- | Starship Troopers 2 and 3 was awesome |
| 04:06.15 | Shirik | well something like that |
| 04:06.19 | Fisker- | more awesome than the first movie |
| 04:06.19 | batrick | ooo what's it written in shirik |
| 04:06.20 | Neuro_Medivh | Please... Spiderman 3 made me want to slash my wrists |
| 04:06.20 | Legorol | hmm... i have a problem with this chan having +r |
| 04:06.21 | Cide | Shirik: my plan obviously failed, or they have been spying in the channel |
| 04:06.26 | Cide | those bots all used lowercase |
| 04:06.27 | Legorol | my auto-join script fails on channels with +r |
| 04:06.33 | Shirik | noticed, Cide |
| 04:06.41 | Fisker- | btw |
| 04:06.42 | Shirik | I anticipate they're trying to figure out what I did to detect it |
| 04:06.44 | Neuro_Medivh | Seriously, how many times can Tobey McGuire cry on camera? |
| 04:06.45 | Shirik | not that I'll say anything |
| 04:06.46 | Fisker- | what's with #shiibot? |
| 04:06.51 | Fisker- | forward of some kind? |
| 04:06.53 | Shirik | however, I find it amusing that it took that long to make the next attack |
| 04:06.53 | kryps | if you guys were to list your top 3 mods--but more specifically because of their unique features--which ones would you list? 1. <name> 2. <name> 3. <name> |
| 04:06.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: make your auto-join script identify before joining? |
| 04:06.56 | Legorol | why are thye spamming in here anyway |
| 04:07.03 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: that's not as simple as it sounds |
| 04:07.10 | Shirik | Legorol: Use server password |
| 04:07.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: *shrug* i've not had an issue |
| 04:07.30 | Legorol | Shirik: server password is a feature only on some irc clients |
| 04:07.33 | Shirik | If you connect to the server with password of your username, it will auto-identify for you when you get on |
| 04:07.36 | Fisker- | srsly? |
| 04:07.39 | Neuro_Medivh | kryps, I can't think of any mods that are 100% unique wholly to themselves |
| 04:07.39 | Shirik | huh? |
| 04:07.39 | Cide | Shirik: the other idea I had should still squash them nicely |
| 04:07.39 | Fisker- | Even mirc supports it |
| 04:07.40 | batrick | Shirik: ??? what was it written in! |
| 04:07.40 | Sixen | Srsly. |
| 04:07.48 | Syzgyn | kryps: our top 3 favorite, or our top 3 most unique? |
| 04:07.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: get a better client ;) |
| 04:07.52 | Shirik | Any client that doesn't support server password is not in compliance with the IRC protocol |
| 04:07.54 | Cide | 1. ctra imo |
| 04:07.55 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: the main problem is that identifying incurs a small delay for nickserv to respond |
| 04:08.10 | kryps | okay, forget unique. lets go with top 5 favourite mods |
| 04:08.11 | Legorol | whereas auto-join script is executed very fast, so needs a timed delay |
| 04:08.12 | Jamash | I would say 1. Learning Aid |
| 04:08.18 | Legorol | Shirik: ok, i'll see about server password |
| 04:08.18 | Syzgyn | Cide: not bias at all :P |
| 04:08.22 | Cide | well |
| 04:08.23 | Cide | yes |
| 04:08.31 | Wobin | Neuro_Medivh: MrPlow was pretty unique at the time =P |
| 04:08.34 | Shirik | Cide: I agree, the other one should be fine |
| 04:08.36 | Cide | but CTRA still invented a lot of new features :P |
| 04:08.37 | Jamash | damn it Cide beat me to self-promoting |
| 04:08.43 | kryps | [Poll]: What are your TOP 5 favourite mods? |
| 04:08.46 | Cide | Legorol: /help /timer |
| 04:08.57 | Legorol | Cide: i know about them, i use them and i hate them |
| 04:08.59 | Shirik | batrick: lua |
| 04:08.59 | Neuro_Medivh | Well, 1 is Bartender4, 2 is Ecastingbar (biased), 3 is Perfectraid, 4 is Clique, and 5 is Titan |
| 04:09.03 | NightHawkTheSane | 1-5: Bejeweled, for proving that DPS actually IS afk most of the time. |
| 04:09.04 | Cide | meh |
| 04:09.12 | Shirik | it's entirely Lua |
| 04:09.13 | kryps | thank you Neuro_Medivh |
| 04:09.16 | Shirik | except obviously LuaSocket |
| 04:09.28 | kd3 | heh. what about the in-game poker that was the rage this time last year? |
| 04:09.39 | batrick | i added ban functiuonality to batbot but it never got used =( |
| 04:09.39 | Shirik | In-game chess imo |
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| 04:09.43 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: that too i suppose ;) |
| 04:09.54 | Shirik | I'd prefer not to ban, batrick |
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| 04:10.04 | Syzgyn | kd3: A friend of mine gave me 1k gold to hack that and let him cheat with it :P |
| 04:10.05 | batrick | sif |
| 04:10.06 | Shirik | Because banning the wrong people could be bad |
| 04:10.09 | batrick | it's all about +b |
| 04:10.16 | Shirik | Accidentally locking the channel... meh |
| 04:10.17 | Shirik | oh well |
| 04:10.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: did you? |
| 04:10.30 | Syzgyn | Yea, it was easy |
| 04:10.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i probably would have asked for more than 1k. |
| 04:10.48 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 04:11.02 | Syzgyn | He played it with his guildies in BT, cheated em out of 5k gold |
| 04:11.04 | batrick | Shirik: send me the code! |
| 04:11.19 | Shirik | not until it's at least cleaned up a little |
| 04:11.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: my point exactly! :D |
| 04:11.26 | kryps | neuro, can i see some screenshots for ecastingbar? |
| 04:11.27 | batrick | haha |
| 04:11.33 | Shirik | It's not bad |
| 04:11.36 | Shirik | it just could be better |
| 04:11.45 | batrick | you get to see batbot's sandbox in all it's "ead shirik" glory! |
| 04:11.59 | batrick | roffles |
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| 04:12.28 | Syzgyn | My top 5 mods have definitely changed from when I started playing to now |
| 04:12.51 | Neuro_Medivh | kryps: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5546-eCastingBarforWoW2.0.html has some screenshots... not that great, but it gives you the general idea |
| 04:13.18 | Neuro_Medivh | I thought necb was just for enemy casting |
| 04:13.22 | Syzgyn | why would you wanna stop using quartz? |
| 04:13.23 | kryps | thanks |
| 04:13.27 | batrick | i hate quartz |
| 04:13.32 | Syzgyn | why? |
| 04:13.34 | batrick | for reasons I wont go into |
| 04:13.45 | Yssaril | i probably will delete all my addons come 3.0 and then start adding things back in when i miss something |
| 04:13.50 | Syzgyn | Eh ok |
| 04:14.00 | Cide | he has a dislike for the mineral |
| 04:14.03 | widgertick | Those are the best reasons to hate something, nobody can talk you into liking it. |
| 04:14.03 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, I'd be interested in hearing why, so I can see if there's room for improvement |
| 04:14.09 | Syzgyn | Yssaril: I'm using 3.0 as a chance to reset my UI too |
| 04:14.12 | Shirik | widgertick, admit it |
| 04:14.13 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: show us on the doll where quartz touched you |
| 04:14.14 | Shirik | my bot is amazing |
| 04:14.19 | Shirik | you wish you were as cool as him |
| 04:14.23 | widgertick | Your bot is so amazing that I am constantly amazed. |
| 04:14.30 | Jamash | the only addons I can't live without are Bartender and Omen, and come 3.0 I might not need Omen |
| 04:14.32 | batrick | NightHawkTheSane: rofl |
| 04:14.58 | widgertick | I will say no more :P |
| 04:15.05 | Syzgyn | I've survived in the beta with a unitframe mod, eavesdrop, and dominos |
| 04:15.28 | Syzgyn | and EBB |
| 04:15.29 | Wobin | Note, however, that you say "Survived" |
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| 04:15.54 | Cide | I did just fine with no addons whatsoever |
| 04:16.03 | Cide | addons are a crutch. |
| 04:16.05 | widgertick | Addons beyond what you need to survive are like appliances that kick you in the nuts every couple weeks. They might be useful, but damn, who wants them around? |
| 04:16.07 | Cide | and with that said, good night |
| 04:16.08 | Wobin | ..until I decided to move |
| 04:16.11 | Neuro_Medivh | EBB has a flaw I really dislike... if you hide the title bar, there's no way to get it back |
| 04:16.21 | Syzgyn | I'm sure I could play without them, but why would I want to? |
| 04:16.23 | Jamash | The reason I need Bartender is I use 8 action bars |
| 04:16.25 | Legorol | I tried google, mirc help etc., but can't find the answer: how do I set up a server password in mIRC? |
| 04:16.32 | kd3 | meh, the default UI worked well enough for me in alpha |
| 04:16.36 | kd3 | modify the server list |
| 04:16.43 | Syzgyn | Neuro_Medivh: /ebb config? |
| 04:16.45 | Iriel | widgertick: You need to get some new appliances |
| 04:17.25 | NightHawkTheSane | a bunch of my addons are like shell scripts, i may not need it, but it makes my life easier. |
| 04:17.30 | widgertick | Iriel: I saw those kind at the store and passed; I considered it a matter of common sense. |
| 04:17.52 | Legorol | kd3: could you possibly elaborate? I tried entering a password in the password field after clicking Edit on the freenode entry in the server list, but that didn't do the trick. |
| 04:18.26 | Jamash | well, I wrote my own addon because lack of it bugged the hell out of me (I'm sure many of us here did the same) |
| 04:18.41 | Wobin | That's why I write them |
| 04:19.04 | Wobin | at the moment for WAR it's for "Why the hell isn't this default behavoir" type addons |
| 04:19.08 | Jamash | so obviously the default UI has certain deficiencies, otherwise nobody would write addons |
| 04:19.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: no UI will ever be perfect, though :) |
| 04:19.42 | Wobin | Anyway, Cide was just trolling |
| 04:19.48 | Yssaril | offtopic how does war run commpared to wow on the same machine about even litle worse or much worse? |
| 04:19.55 | Wobin | since saying "Addons are a crutch" in a ui dev channel... =P |
| 04:20.02 | Syzgyn | well for bars, I only use mods because the default takes up way too much space for me |
| 04:20.17 | Wobin | Yssaril: I've not noticed any lag or framerate slowdown |
| 04:20.22 | Wobin | I'd say slightly better |
| 04:20.27 | Wobin | but that may be due to locality of server |
| 04:20.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: out of curiosity, how do you like WAR? |
| 04:20.35 | Fisker- | i want nehalem >:E |
| 04:20.37 | Wobin | since I can now play on a physically oceanic server |
| 04:20.45 | Jamash | I use a bar addon 'cause I use way more buttons than the default ui allows |
| 04:20.45 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: It's certainly different |
| 04:20.46 | Yssaril | hmm is there a demo for war? |
| 04:20.52 | Wobin | Yssaril: not afaik |
| 04:21.16 | Neuro_Medivh | Wobin: actually, I felt it was almost identical to WoW |
| 04:21.21 | Neuro_Medivh | except in graphics |
| 04:21.23 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: So far, I'm liking it. All the different classes are different enough that I'm not yet bored |
| 04:21.34 | Wobin | Neuro_Medivh: maybe in focus of the game |
| 04:21.40 | Wobin | the RvR is fun |
| 04:21.58 | Wobin | although annoying at times. As a healer, I was up against another healer... |
| 04:22.01 | Yssaril | RvR? |
| 04:22.05 | Wobin | and it was like... two prot pallies fighting =P |
| 04:22.06 | Neuro_Medivh | No, I mean, the UI is exceedingly similar, the gameplay is close to identical, and the class I was playing (Witch Hunter) was nothing but a rogue |
| 04:22.09 | Wobin | Or two druids |
| 04:22.26 | Wobin | Neuro_Medivh: oh of course, naturally |
| 04:22.30 | Wobin | Realm vs Realm |
| 04:22.32 | Wobin | their pvp |
| 04:22.34 | Neuro_Medivh | that's not to say it's bad |
| 04:22.37 | Yssaril | ah |
| 04:22.48 | Neuro_Medivh | in fact, if I had a more robust computer, I'd probably play it |
| 04:22.52 | NightHawkTheSane | im debating if i want to try it or not. but that would mean getting a working windows install. >< |
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| 04:23.01 | Wobin | the pvp is a whole lot more entrenched |
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| 04:23.16 | Wobin | there's none of this "Oh I'll help that hordie kill that quest mob cause I'm feeling generous" |
| 04:23.22 | Neuro_Medivh | they have more RvR experience than Blizzard has |
| 04:23.26 | Wobin | it's "omg greenskin/humie KILLKILLKILL" |
| 04:23.38 | Neuro_Medivh | far far far more RvR experience |
| 04:23.44 | Wobin | indeed |
| 04:23.52 | Wobin | and the PublicQuests are an interesting idea |
| 04:24.01 | Legorol | what is RvR? |
| 04:24.05 | Neuro_Medivh | realm vs realm |
| 04:24.07 | Wobin | Realm vs Realm |
| 04:24.14 | Legorol | O.o |
| 04:24.18 | Legorol | cross-realm pvp ? |
| 04:24.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Lake Wintergrasp is Blizzard's first true attempt at it |
| 04:24.32 | Legorol | ok, what does "realm" mean in this context |
| 04:24.34 | Wobin | Nah, it's just their name for pvp |
| 04:24.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Legorol, nah, faction vs faction |
| 04:24.53 | Neuro_Medivh | in this case, Chaos vs Order instead of Horde vs Ally |
| 04:25.03 | Legorol | who is Ally? |
| 04:25.08 | Wobin | Order |
| 04:25.14 | Legorol | lol, no i meant.. |
| 04:25.18 | Wobin | Humans, High elves and dwarves |
| 04:25.19 | Legorol | to ally is a verb.. |
| 04:25.23 | Legorol | ah, you mean Alliance |
| 04:25.25 | Wobin | ally short for alliance =P |
| 04:25.25 | Neuro_Medivh | but Mythic did DAoC, which gave them tons of background in RvR |
| 04:25.34 | Legorol | why do people use a verb as an abbreviation for a noun? |
| 04:25.38 | Neuro_Medivh | laziness |
| 04:25.42 | Neuro_Medivh | why else? |
| 04:25.45 | Wobin | Legorol: it's english =P |
| 04:25.48 | Wobin | It's not meant to make sense |
| 04:25.50 | Legorol | total lack of basic language knowledge >.< |
| 04:26.11 | Legorol | i'll just chair your ass and plate your dinner |
| 04:26.13 | Neuro_Medivh | no... I don't lack the knowledge, I was simply being lazy |
| 04:26.16 | Legorol | hm... doesn't sound too bad |
| 04:26.29 | Wobin | You can plate dinner |
| 04:26.37 | Wobin | but that's nouning a verb |
| 04:26.38 | Neuro_Medivh | And 'Ally' is also a noun |
| 04:26.40 | Legorol | how about chatting the channel? |
| 04:26.42 | Wobin | not verbing a noun |
| 04:27.03 | Legorol | isn't it verbing a noun? |
| 04:27.06 | Legorol | "to plate" |
| 04:27.29 | Wobin | hm, yeah, I had it round the wrong way =) |
| 04:27.32 | Neuro_Medivh | we verb nouns all the time these days. "I texted my friend" |
| 04:27.34 | Wobin | but see, it's valid useage =) |
| 04:27.48 | Legorol | you mean usage? |
| 04:27.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ... Verbing weirds language. |
| 04:27.57 | Legorol | I'm with NightHawkTheSane |
| 04:28.31 | Neuro_Medivh | Language evolves. |
| 04:28.41 | Wobin | I'm with Neuro_Medivh |
| 04:28.48 | Neuro_Medivh | soon, it shall evolve past our ability to control it, and it will attempt to take over the planet |
| 04:28.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Bejewled is awesome |
| 04:28.54 | Neuro_Medivh | or maybe that's Akira |
| 04:29.00 | Wobin | Neuro_Medivh: same diff |
| 04:29.28 | Wobin | what about Hobbes? =) |
| 04:29.30 | NightHawkTheSane | and hobbes' followup is excellent, "Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding." |
| 04:29.45 | Wobin | eventually? |
| 04:29.53 | NightHawkTheSane | well, you know, that strip was written a while ago :p |
| 04:30.12 | Wobin | Watterson was prophetic |
| 04:30.26 | Legorol | g'night folks |
| 04:30.37 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, Washington Mutual went under, how sad |
| 04:31.03 | kd3 | geez at the statistics counter taking a while to update |
| 04:31.15 | kd3 | look at our numbers earlier today, 58k articles... now? 63k |
| 04:31.15 | kd3 | nuts |
| 04:39.09 | kd3 | and rofl at xkcd. that must happen |
| 04:39.47 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 04:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb that virus |
| 04:40.10 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, that needs to be applied everywhere |
| 04:44.41 | NightHawkTheSane | hf/bt general chat make me homicidal >< |
| 04:46.43 | Wobin | http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2008/09/25/donuts-and-bacon-08/ |
| 04:47.14 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 04:47.46 | Wobin | also: http://www.forbes.com/home/2008/09/23/bailout-paulson-congress-biz-beltway-cx_jz_bw_0923bailout.html |
| 04:48.00 | Wobin | in particular: "It's not based on any particular data point," a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. "We just wanted to choose a really large number." |
| 04:51.01 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, thats bruce boxleitner on heroes. |
| 04:52.30 | Wobin | Governer John Sheridan? =P |
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| 04:54.10 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed, aka Tron. :P |
| 04:54.31 | Fisker- | 17" LCD's are more expensive than 22" >:E |
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| 05:00.41 | AnduinLothar | there's a large range of LCD quality and cost |
| 05:02.29 | Kirov | Also it should be noted that a lot of 22" lcds are wide screen tvs |
| 05:02.44 | AnduinLothar | with crappy resolution |
| 05:03.01 | Kirov | yes, but it's why they're cheaper |
| 05:03.13 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 05:03.27 | Kirov | 20"-22" LCDs are also more popular than 17"< screens at this point |
| 05:06.01 | Kirov | A lot of people expect 24 inch wide screen 16:9 res monitors @ 1920x1080 to be the norm in the near future |
| 05:06.18 | Neuro_Medivh | today's xkcd is all kinds of win |
| 05:07.47 | ZorbaTHut | I hope we eventually get high-DPI monitors |
| 05:08.48 | Kirov | Samsung is showing off 2 inch 940x705 resolution LCDs for phones |
| 05:09.34 | ZorbaTHut | nice |
| 05:09.43 | ZorbaTHut | now if we can just get those in 30" size |
| 05:09.46 | ZorbaTHut | then I'll be happy :D |
| 05:10.19 | Syzgyn | http://www.xkcd.com/ ahmagad win |
| 05:10.21 | Kirov | You can already buy 30" monitors with super high res |
| 05:10.30 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe "i stop time and teleport. i do many things you don't see" |
| 05:10.58 | Fisker- | Kirov he meant 30" inch LCDs for phones |
| 05:12.12 | Kirov | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=223-4890 - sadly costs about the same as my 20" monitor I currently use when I bought it |
| 05:12.53 | Keias | Damn 2 grand |
| 05:13.00 | Keias | You could get a really high class hooker for less than that. |
| 05:13.04 | Kirov | My Viewsonic 30ms response time, 300:1 contrast 1600x1200 monitor |
| 05:15.33 | Fisker- | why so heroes NightHawkTheSane? |
| 05:15.44 | kd3 | rofl at today's woot |
| 05:16.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: go troll 4chan or something, thats about you're speed. |
| 05:17.53 | Fisker- | 4chan is boring to troll |
| 05:18.44 | Kirov | how do you troll someplace when every post is already a troll? |
| 05:18.56 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 05:19.46 | ZorbaTHut | kirov, yeah, I've got one of those (well, I've got the 3007 model) |
| 05:19.51 | ZorbaTHut | but it's not high-DPI, it's normal DPI |
| 05:20.00 | ZorbaTHut | I want 2x or 3x the DPI for ultrasmooth text |
| 05:20.24 | Kirov | ZorbaTHut - ultrasmooth unmoving text |
| 05:20.39 | ZorbaTHut | I'm fine with that, text doesn't move too much usually :P |
| 05:20.57 | Kirov | Try the local print shop. :O) |
| 05:21.05 | ZorbaTHut | I want it to move more than that. ;) |
| 05:21.26 | ZorbaTHut | although I am hoping more games start supporting "render resolution" and "window size" independently. |
| 05:21.40 | Kirov | Ala the Unreal 3 games? |
| 05:21.55 | ZorbaTHut | I haven't seen if those do - the only ones I know of are Cryptic-engine games and FFXI |
| 05:22.11 | ZorbaTHut | wouldn't surprise me if they did also though |
| 05:22.26 | Kirov | It's not a difficult thing to do. |
| 05:22.34 | Kirov | It's actually easier than matching the two |
| 05:22.58 | ZorbaTHut | it's extra UI and most people don't care |
| 05:23.35 | Kirov | When you ask for a D3D window you ask D3D to render it at a specific resolution. You then take that rendered image and stick it in a windows GUI window |
| 05:23.53 | ZorbaTHut | it also becomes a little uncertain what "resizing the window manually" should do. the GUI standards are sadly not designed for this |
| 05:23.56 | Kirov | People tend to put a bit of code in to match the two, mainly to fix ratio issues |
| 05:24.27 | Kirov | Early WoW had some oddities with that |
| 05:24.40 | Kirov | Now they just lock the ratio of the window when resizing |
| 05:24.44 | Kirov | which is annoying. |
| 05:24.54 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I've noticed that :/ |
| 05:26.09 | Iriel | Kirov: I'm not sure the alternative is much better (free resizing but with the various anchoring issues that brings with it) |
| 05:27.24 | Kirov | Iriel - It makes perfect sense to lock it from the point of view of the average user. |
| 05:28.00 | Iriel | it would be nice to be able to specify an arbitrary resolution beforehand tho |
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| 05:28.15 | Kirov | I tend to be accutely aware of ratio issues, and not letting it happen fixes a lot of potential problems. I don't know how many times I've sat down at someone's 4:3 monitor when they've had a 5:4 resolution and torn my eyes out. |
| 05:28.56 | Kirov | Arbitrary resolution w/o ratio constraints (though 1:1 pixel size ratio) |
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| 05:40.09 | Wobin | hm |
| 05:40.14 | Wobin | The plural of "Sign In" is? |
| 05:40.30 | Neuro_Medivh | Sign Ins |
| 05:40.38 | Wobin | no apostraphe? |
| 05:40.45 | Neuro_Medivh | it's not possessive |
| 05:40.47 | NightHawkTheSane | do you pluralize apples? |
| 05:40.49 | NightHawkTheSane | er.. |
| 05:40.54 | NightHawkTheSane | do you add an apostrophe to apples? |
| 05:40.58 | Wobin | hehe |
| 05:40.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ~fail NightHawkTheSane |
| 05:40.59 | purl | NightHawkTheSane, you Fail! |
| 05:41.15 | Wobin | That's what I'd figured |
| 05:41.17 | Neuro_Medivh | you only add an apostraphe if there's a possessive or a contraction |
| 05:41.24 | Wobin | but it was in a spec, so I wanted to make sure |
| 05:41.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: http://www.flickr.com/groups/quoteabuse/pool/ |
| 05:43.19 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, I blame you for getting me to watch Sliders |
| 05:43.46 | NightHawkTheSane | yay! :D |
| 05:43.55 | Neuro_Medivh | does it ever get less cheesy? |
| 05:44.02 | NightHawkTheSane | not really, no. |
| 05:44.09 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm like halfway through season 2, and it's just horrible |
| 05:44.17 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah.. definitely no :) |
| 05:44.26 | NightHawkTheSane | you kind of have to embrace it |
| 05:44.34 | Fisker- | I wonder how Dell figured that you'd want to buy a LCD monitor without a stand |
| 05:44.41 | Iriel | Wall mounting |
| 05:44.46 | Fisker- | Yeah |
| 05:44.51 | Fisker- | But why not just as well get the stand |
| 05:44.56 | Fisker- | it's the same price :D |
| 05:44.58 | Neuro_Medivh | nah.. I was hoping there was more of a story arc. The funny thing is, my gf is very happy I downloaded it, as she has a huge crush on Jerry O'connel |
| 05:44.58 | Iriel | Does it cost extra? |
| 05:44.59 | Iriel | oh |
| 05:45.13 | Fisker- | Typically dell |
| 05:45.18 | Iriel | Maybe the shipping costs or less, or eco-conscious consumers dont get it |
| 05:45.21 | Fisker- | Just like you can remove special offers :D |
| 05:45.29 | |Jelly| | 83 runs; 1 mount |
| 05:45.38 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 05:45.39 | Fisker- | ~3 here |
| 05:45.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: it -does- get more of an arc into the latter part of s3 and s4 |
| 05:45.48 | Fisker- | But 2 rams (FU blizzard) and 1 kodo (Didn't win roll gg) |
| 05:45.54 | Neuro_Medivh | you know you can buy the bear mount in 3.0 right? |
| 05:46.00 | NightHawkTheSane | but it's by and large not a terribly epic story line. |
| 05:46.15 | Fisker- | we're talking bear mount? >:3 |
| 05:46.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: A bear mount. |
| 05:46.23 | Fisker- | i don't even get why anyone would want it |
| 05:46.24 | |Jelly| | No |
| 05:46.33 | |Jelly| | Brewfest is what I was referring to. |
| 05:46.36 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, you're talking about the brewfest mount |
| 05:46.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: its not the ZG mount, which.. isn't waht she was refrring to anyway |
| 05:46.52 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane: It's not? Sure looks the same |
| 05:47.14 | Fisker- | You know what would be awesome though |Jelly|? If Blizzard didn't cave into alliance QQ all the time >:E |
| 05:47.31 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, now I gotta find a SS of both, to compare |
| 05:47.43 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 what mount are you referring to? the only purchasable bear mount i know of is VERY different than the zg one |
| 05:47.43 | Neuro_Medivh | BAH, wowhead down |
| 05:48.06 | Neuro_Medivh | There's an armored bear mount for sale in Dalaran |
| 05:48.18 | Fisker- | bear mounts suck |
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| 05:49.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: yeah, im pretty sure it's a very different model |
| 05:50.00 | Neuro_Medivh | possibly right, looking at the amani bear mount, it has those huge tusks on the side |
| 05:50.16 | NightHawkTheSane | its also more of a black shade, where the armored bear is brown, i believe |
| 05:50.39 | NightHawkTheSane | but, even if i'm wrong, the adornments are pretty different |
| 05:51.08 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, I can see that now... when you have em both side by side, you can tell the difference. Not sure what the fuss about the Amani bear is though |
| 05:51.26 | NightHawkTheSane | the fact that it's limited availability |
| 05:51.40 | Jamash | the ZA mount is awesome, that's the fuss is about |
| 05:51.48 | Jamash | *what |
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| 05:52.15 | Neuro_Medivh | does it make your epeen grow? |
| 05:52.27 | Jamash | It looks cool, is that not good enough? |
| 05:52.45 | ZorbaTHut | neuro, it both looks cool, and it's a badge that says "I did this moderately difficult thing" |
| 05:53.12 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, Kawalsky from sg-1 on an episode of sliders |
| 05:53.28 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, guess I have different tastes. Elekk looks better than Amani bear |
| 05:53.49 | Neuro_Medivh | Armored Elekk could SQUASH puny bear! RAWR! |
| 05:54.11 | Jamash | pfft, alliance |
| 05:54.20 | Neuro_Medivh | joo r skerd of my RAWR, i no |
| 05:57.32 | Neuro_Medivh | ~rawr |
| 05:57.33 | purl | from memory, rawr is a demigod to everyone who isnt a jew, or program for comparing and exploring gear for Bears, Cats, Moonkin, Warlocks, Mages, Retadins, ProtWarriors, and Healadins (http://www.codeplex.com/Rawr) |
| 05:57.48 | Neuro_Medivh | disappointed |
| 05:58.04 | Fisker- | i hate lag :( |
| 05:58.17 | Kirov | I'm sure lag hates you just as much |
| 05:58.34 | NightHawkTheSane | lag loves everyone |
| 05:58.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Fisker: No, I think lag LOVES Fisker.. so much it won't stay away |
| 05:58.39 | NightHawkTheSane | thats why it hangs around so much |
| 05:58.45 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 05:59.11 | Fisker- | ¤"!¤"! |
| 05:59.19 | Fisker- | btw mole machine on top of portals = win |
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| 06:02.54 | Fisker- | mein souffle :( |
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| 06:38.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe. i lol'd: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10544535443-summon-grand-caravan-mammoth.html |
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| 06:39.09 | Duman | how's the lag tonight |
| 06:39.27 | NightHawkTheSane | it was pretty bad when i stopped about 30 minutes ago |
| 06:39.36 | Duman | :( |
| 06:43.37 | zenzio | "And as you can see, the prize for having way more mounts than you'd ever need is... another mount" o_O |
| 06:45.38 | Syzgyn | another *cool* mount |
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| 06:46.55 | zenzio | not from the screenshot on wowinsider |
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| 06:58.13 | Duman | unf, crash |
| 07:00.06 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzio: it's part of the new minigame: "find wtf my new mount is in this 10 page list.." :p |
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| 07:08.34 | Wobin | zenzio: what would be cool is if that 'caravan' included a train of all your other mounts |
| 07:08.41 | Wobin | it would be the new epeen |
| 07:08.49 | Wobin | "Look how long my caravan of mounts is" |
| 07:10.39 | Neuro_Medivh | what makes me laugh is all the people complaining about how they 'wasted' their money. In beta. |
| 07:11.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i know, its great :) |
| 07:17.02 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'm pretty sure if it happened in the real game Blizzard would be offering refunds or something |
| 07:17.05 | ZorbaTHut | but hey! welcome to beta :D |
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| 07:20.35 | Syzgyn | Out of curiosity, The tab with all the mounts and pets isnt secure stuff, right? |
| 07:23.46 | WobWork | hehe you could play Mount Roulette |
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| 07:29.59 | Arrowmaster | i have half a month to grind to exalted with all city factions i guess |
| 07:30.13 | Arrowmaster | i want that 50 mount achievement before wotlk |
| 07:32.35 | Syzgyn | Ugh, Exodar rep :( |
| 07:33.06 | Arrowmaster | 77.2% honored with silvermoon |
| 07:33.14 | Arrowmaster | need to do AV i guess |
| 07:35.24 | Syzgyn | Yeah |
| 07:35.32 | Syzgyn | Gogo storm crystals |
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| 07:39.01 | Syzgyn | I might try writing a mod that replaces the pet/mount frame with a scroll frame, with the names and icons right there |
| 07:42.02 | Arrowmaster | looks like horde has 34 mounts from city factions including the 5 pvp mounts, so +2 warlock mounts, +1 AV mount, +3 brewfest mounts, +1 ZA warbear, +1 ZG raptor, +1 epic flyer, +1 netherdrake.... |
| 07:42.05 | Arrowmaster | i need more mounts |
| 07:43.05 | Arrowmaster | bah and im not maghar exalted yet either |
| 07:43.32 | Arrowmaster | would rather spend 100g per mount than 200g |
| 07:43.55 | Elkano | the druid epic flight boss mount and the MT mount... ;) |
| 07:44.11 | Arrowmaster | fuck i want that raven lord mount |
| 07:44.19 | Arrowmaster | best mount ever |
| 07:44.20 | Elkano | me too :( |
| 07:44.49 | Elkano | btw, what exactly is with that caravan mammuts ability to transport a vendor? |
| 07:45.02 | Elkano | mountable field repair bot? |
| 07:45.04 | Arrowmaster | it can transport a vendor? |
| 07:45.34 | Neuro_Medivh | supposedly, yes, though it's currently bugged |
| 07:46.18 | Elkano | mmo-champion: Summon Grand Caravan Mammoth - Summons and dismisses a rideable Grand Caravan Mammoth. This is a very fast mount that can carry 3 passengers and vendors. |
| 07:49.23 | Arrowmaster | maybe it means npcs |
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| 07:56.21 | Syzgyn | That'd be kinda weird |
| 07:56.50 | Elkano | would be fun though ;) reminds me of the case where they kidnapped the Theramore Flightmaster ^^ |
| 07:57.23 | Syzgyn | lol |
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| 08:02.59 | Arrowmaster | somebody kite him away on your server? |
| 08:04.45 | Dewin | It's kind of sad doing a bunch of gear upgrades and then ending up so poor you can't gem/enchant them... and then logging out... |
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| 08:04.54 | Dewin | when be.imba.hu previously reported your character as being in "tip top shape" |
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| 08:07.32 | Lukian | Dewin, lol :) |
| 08:13.09 | Nom- | Hey, anyone know of somewhere that a willing ISP could mirror all the WoW patches from ? |
| 08:13.55 | Nom- | Especially the stuff which is being seeded atm... that's something we could easily download once and mirror locally |
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| 08:42.44 | Nom- | Or perhaps a better question... anyone know what CDN blizz uses ? |
| 08:43.40 | Thelyna | I've heard akamai/edgeshare, no sources though |
| 08:43.53 | Nom- | hmm well we's already got akamai |
| 08:43.56 | Nom- | *ponder* |
| 08:45.57 | bleeter | anyone know if there's an audio engine equivalent of gxrestart? |
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| 08:53.42 | Syzgyn | lol@new PennyArcande |
| 08:53.49 | Syzgyn | s/nd/d/ |
| 09:13.59 | Fisker- | lo@new PennyArcade |
| 09:18.23 | clad|work | Fisker-: non, lol at the new xkcd |
| 09:19.04 | Fisker- | lol at the new xkcd then |
| 09:19.26 | Wobin | speaking of PA, Antiarc, you know you've got it made when your addon makes it into the strip =P http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/7/21/vacillation-street/ |
| 09:21.00 | Fisker- | Only took you 2 months to come up with that? |
| 09:23.29 | Sixen | Night everyone. |
| 09:24.05 | Fisker- | night Sixen >:3 |
| 09:24.20 | Sixen | <3, now I don't feel dumb. |
| 09:26.04 | Wobin | Fisker-: *pat* |
| 09:27.24 | Wobin | I don't read PA regularly, *shrug* |
| 09:27.40 | Wobin | So no. It took me about 3 minutes. |
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| 10:39.08 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/1c82d05bfb6691d1d927ba3c72f6396038452819/Adplacementfail.jpg |
| 10:39.10 | Kaso | lol |
| 10:39.52 | krka | haha |
| 10:39.58 | Nom- | bah nerf warlocks |
| 10:40.06 | Nom- | fear out of the world to disconnect sploit |
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| 10:49.57 | Shirik | rawr yet again |
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| 10:50.33 | Shirik | hi Kalroth |
| 10:50.45 | Kalroth | oh, shitbot is yours! |
| 10:51.12 | Shirik | And you're calling him that why? |
| 10:53.05 | Shirik | Because you can; got it. I'm not in the mood to get into this, especially not while I just woke up. I would advise you to think a little before talking in the future, though. |
| 10:54.30 | Kalroth | Oh, it's like that, eh? |
| 10:54.43 | krka | hmm... am i ignoring someone? |
| 10:55.08 | krka | who is shirik and Kalroth talking to? |
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| 10:55.48 | Kalroth | krka: I think he's talking to me, he's being emo because I'm calling his bot names |
| 10:56.00 | krka | which bot is that? |
| 10:56.07 | Kalroth | Shiibot |
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| 11:13.56 | Kaso | café isnt a verb |
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| 11:36.40 | Nom- | anyone know where the http source is for these WoW content patches ? |
| 11:37.01 | Nom- | I'm wondering if it'd be possible for us to transparently redirect requests to that address to a local proxy which we build |
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| 11:37.27 | Nom- | ie. We serve full speed off our local proxy rather than making the users P2P or fetch from the US @ 30KB/sec |
| 11:40.25 | cbreak | Nom-: the downloader gives me an url for the HTTP source usually |
| 11:42.37 | Kalroth | Nomnomnom |
| 11:43.01 | Nom- | I'm not seeing any URL in the downloader |
| 11:45.29 | Nom- | It's possible all the http connections are maxxed out tho i suppose |
| 11:45.36 | Nom- | in which case it wouldn't even be able to connect |
| 11:45.53 | Nom- | (another good reason to have a local proxy) |
| 11:46.24 | Maldivia | Nom-: the downloader feteches pieces of 256kb when usnig the downloader |
| 11:46.29 | zenzio | in a pinch you could use wireshark or whatever it's called now |
| 11:55.42 | Maldivia | Nom-: so if you want to set up a transparent proxy for those pieces, that can easily be done |
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| 11:58.25 | Nom- | Maldivia: Well, that's the idea... I work for an ISP in Australia and we had the idea today to try and cache the patch data |
| 11:58.49 | Nom- | 3GB x however many WoW players we have = a lot of patch data |
| 11:59.06 | Corrodias | not a bad idea, but it's downloaded in pieces from other players |
| 11:59.15 | Corrodias | i'd be interested to see how this works. well, slightly interested. |
| 11:59.52 | Nom- | Yeah, but if we implement this proxy for our customers, then we can tell them to turn off peer-to-peer downloads |
| 11:59.56 | Nom- | and watch it zoom |
| 12:00.25 | elite3vil | If you're going to do that, couldn't you just tell them to download the patches from a mirror you're hosting? |
| 12:00.34 | Corrodias | and everybody wins. i like it. i even think blizzard would like to make it easier if they knew about it. |
| 12:00.55 | Nom- | Yeah, I posted on the forums asking who I should go talk to... but I doubt i'll get any kind of useful response |
| 12:01.50 | Nom- | My preference would be a full fledged HTTP source in Australia (we can do that... got the disk, hardware and network ready) |
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| 12:02.24 | Nom- | Then if we can make it use HTTP as priority in Australia when avaialable through the updater, it should be bloody quick |
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| 15:18.51 | Nom- | hmm what's this battle for undercity quest chain ? |
| 15:22.01 | kd3 | nom; you alliance or horde? |
| 15:22.12 | Nom- | horde |
| 15:22.47 | kd3 | we haven't added the whole chain horde side, but it picks up at the important part: http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Return_To_Angrathar_(Horde) |
| 15:23.52 | Nom- | oic nice |
| 15:23.59 | Nom- | i'll wait for it to be implemented i think :) |
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| 15:40.29 | Fogger | is there an easier way to count debuffs, rather than for loop through UnitDebuff()? |
| 15:41.34 | Wobin | don't believe so |
| 15:42.34 | Fogger | do I just set some high number for the iterations, like the max amount possible, then break out when it gets a nil? |
| 15:44.13 | Fogger | I wonder, how would I find out the maximum de/buffs a player can have? |
| 15:46.15 | Mikk | There's a constant for it somewhere |
| 15:46.25 | Mikk | Either way, you shouldn't be iterating them yourself. |
| 15:46.38 | Mikk | You SHOULD be using a commonly-used library that does all the scanning, and alerts you to changes |
| 15:46.57 | Fogger | do share |
| 15:47.15 | Mikk | Every addon that cares about buffs/debuffs ... times the number of unitframes ... times the number of possible buffs/debuffs... that's a lot of polling |
| 15:47.45 | Mikk | myeah i forget its name.. sec |
| 15:48.16 | Fogger | well, atm the addon's purpose is to check the players debuffs only |
| 15:48.27 | Fogger | but I was hoping to expand to check whole raid |
| 15:49.05 | Mikk | erm... it's supposed to be SpecialEvents-Aura |
| 15:49.10 | Mikk | which was Tekkub's |
| 15:49.14 | nevcairiel | its evil! |
| 15:49.15 | Mikk | but someone has converted it to Rock |
| 15:49.35 | Mikk | WTB new libstub version >.< |
| 15:49.41 | Quaiche|work | Why? |
| 15:49.50 | nevcairiel | use combat log events, screw plling, imho |
| 15:49.56 | nevcairiel | +o |
| 15:50.03 | Lunessa | because Tekkub's code is usually smaller and faster. :P |
| 15:50.23 | Mikk | Ah there we go.. SpecialEventsEmbed |
| 15:50.24 | Mikk | But that |
| 15:50.27 | Mikk | 's ace2 still |
| 15:50.31 | Quaiche|work | I thought he meant a new version of LibStub |
| 15:50.32 | Quaiche|work | LOL |
| 15:50.41 | Mikk | oh, no |
| 15:51.01 | Mikk | LibStub is so stupidly small and simple I don't see how there can be much changes in it |
| 15:51.21 | Josh_Borke | it still breaks some times |
| 15:51.27 | Mikk | oO |
| 15:51.47 | Mikk | Do spill |
| 15:52.01 | nevcairiel | I dont see how it _can_ break |
| 15:52.05 | nevcairiel | it doesnt use any WoW API |
| 15:52.17 | nevcairiel | and only sane lua code |
| 15:52.37 | Mikk | Maybe josh means the fact that it doesn't like version numbers that aren't positive integers |
| 15:53.02 | nevcairiel | design decision |
| 15:53.04 | nevcairiel | not bug |
| 15:54.07 | p3lim | Isnt there something in the middle of THINOUTLINE and THICKOUTLINE? :/ |
| 15:54.08 | Mikk | And yeah hmm initial poll + combat log events is interesting |
| 15:54.16 | nevcairiel | p3lim: OUTLINE? =P |
| 15:54.35 | p3lim | using it in an xml |
| 15:54.35 | nevcairiel | Alot of addons still use SpecialEvents though |
| 15:54.38 | Mikk | Or maybe josh was talking about tekkub code |
| 15:54.43 | p3lim | only options i have is THICK and THIN |
| 15:54.47 | nevcairiel | should really be a LS version of it |
| 15:54.53 | nevcairiel | the rock version was just evil and pointless |
| 15:54.54 | Mikk | Indeedly |
| 15:54.57 | nevcairiel | to fix one addon =P |
| 15:55.12 | p3lim | in the middle of THICK and THIN then? |
| 15:55.40 | Mikk | ANYWAY... SEE_Auras is still a good idea imo |
| 15:55.56 | nevcairiel | apparently OUTLINE is your "THIN" |
| 15:56.05 | Mikk | Just update it to look at combatlogs when possible instead of polling |
| 15:56.06 | nevcairiel | so, no |
| 15:56.16 | p3lim | bleh |
| 15:56.26 | p3lim | THIN is like, nothing, and THICK is too much |
| 15:58.18 | kd3 | so what we need is a "JUSTRIGHT" |
| 15:58.38 | Josh_Borke | obviously it should be telepathic |
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| 16:01.26 | foxlit | $sql = "SELECT username FROM " . USERS_TABLE . " ORDER BY rand() LIMIT 1"; |
| 16:01.33 | foxlit | What's wrong with people :( |
| 16:01.48 | Corrodias | assuming your dbms supports that. :O |
| 16:02.01 | Fogger | it appears the events from SpecialEventsEmbed can only be recieved by other Ace addons, since I'm still in basic training, It has been suggested to avoid using frameworks, the combat log thing sounds interesting tho, presuming it contains all the needed events. |
| 16:02.28 | Kolie | whos not giving rand a lower and uper bound... |
| 16:02.29 | durcyn | SEE is mostly deprecated anyway |
| 16:02.32 | Kolie | :) |
| 16:02.36 | Fogger | certainly putting SpecialEventsEmbed & Ace on the 2nd level training shelf :) |
| 16:02.51 | foxlit | It's not really the bounds on rand that are the problem |
| 16:02.54 | Corrodias | "order by random()" is, as far as i know, a legitimate phrase in some SQL |
| 16:03.08 | Kolie | Hence the smily face.. |
| 16:03.21 | Corrodias | and using that with limit 1 is a way to select a single, random records that i have seen suggested before |
| 16:03.22 | foxlit | It's that to execute that query to pull one row out, you're scanning every row and then sorting every row |
| 16:03.39 | Corrodias | now, there's a faster way, i'm eager to learn |
| 16:03.44 | Corrodias | *if there's |
| 16:06.50 | foxlit | That depends, really. COUNT and programming language random with a LIMIT r,1 might be easier. If you've got a primary key for the table, it'd be much faster |
| 16:07.54 | Lunessa | Yeah, that query is a lot of overhead to get just one row. |
| 16:08.30 | Corrodias | a few don't support a LIMIT, so it's a bit of a pain there anyway |
| 16:08.57 | foxlit | what sort of backwards engine are we talking about here? :) |
| 16:09.26 | Corrodias | i don't remember, specifically. i work with a few different small databases in my job |
| 16:10.43 | Corrodias | sybase, dbase, access, sql server, 4th dimension, omnis |
| 16:12.17 | Corrodias | it wasn't important, anyway. i got what i wanted another way |
| 16:17.24 | Seerah | ScytheBlade1: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532264215&sid=2000 |
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| 16:18.49 | kamdis | Shiibot :-( |
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| 16:24.06 | Lunessa | Color me confused Shiibot? |
| 16:25.25 | Lopeppeppy | What did Shiibot do to you, Lunessa? |
| 16:25.41 | Lunessa | Nothing. Until this morning, I'd never heard of it. |
| 16:26.10 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, he protects us from spammers... but also dumps you into a Shiibot channel if you don't register before trying to come in here. |
| 16:26.27 | TecnoBrat | foxlit, you can always make that 2 queries (well 3 possibly), 1, find the largest max(id), then get a random number between 1 and max(id), then select all rows that are greater than max(id) asc, limit 1. Then if thats empty, do the same except all rows that are less than max(id) desc, limit 1. |
| 16:26.59 | TecnoBrat | obviously, thats nasty looking, but better on the DB :P |
| 16:27.42 | foxlit | If we adjust for logic mistakes in that, you'd get roughly |
| 16:27.53 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.52 | foxlit | But yes. Maybe. Depending on the query optimizer. |
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| 16:44.23 | kamdis | Lopepeppy but I am registered and it still dumped me in there :( |
| 16:44.45 | kamdis | i think the delay between log in and ident is too short |
| 16:45.07 | kamdis | if there's any lag, you get sent to that channel |
| 16:45.07 | alestane | kamdis: What client do you use? |
| 16:45.17 | kamdis | mibbit :( stupid work |
| 16:45.21 | kamdis | at home it's not an issue |
| 16:45.35 | alestane | Is there a setting for server password, and not just ident password? |
| 16:45.48 | kamdis | hmm i don't know, possibly |
| 16:46.11 | Lopeppeppy | kamdis, I get the ident lag too, and get dumped in Shiibot channel every time. |
| 16:46.34 | kamdis | alestane: not that i see |
| 16:46.52 | kamdis | ah well, i'll just deal. it's not so hard to type /join #wowuidev |
| 16:47.16 | Lopeppeppy | That was pretty much my conclusion, since Trillian doesn't have separate fields either. |
| 16:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Seerah|away: yay! |
| 16:51.49 | Corrodias | ident password? |
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| 16:52.07 | Corrodias | i have not heard of such a thing |
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| 16:53.29 | Anaral | Okay that's annoying, it took like 4 attempts to connect with it acknowledging my ident. |
| 16:53.37 | ShaneSveller | hey ScytheBlade1, you accidently copied an IPv6 ssh connect command the other day, can I PM with you a little about IPv6? |
| 16:53.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh, sure |
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| 17:02.24 | Fogger | dumb question, but do you register events before or after the OnEvent function, or does it not matter? |
| 17:02.32 | Josh_Borke | does not matter |
| 17:02.40 | Josh_Borke | OnEvent function is called when an event happened |
| 17:02.49 | Josh_Borke | so if an event happens and you don't have a function registered you won't get it |
| 17:02.53 | Fogger | so it wont happen until its been registered |
| 17:03.07 | Fogger | I get it, thanks josh |
| 17:03.21 | Josh_Borke | but, you usually set your OnEvent function as part of the initial loading of the file |
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| 17:03.54 | p3lim | where is the code to the raid config window (blizz default) located? |
| 17:04.11 | p3lim | nvm im dumb |
| 17:04.15 | Josh_Borke | <smart ass answer>in FrameXML</smart ass answer> |
| 17:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Lopeppeppy++ |
| 17:05.40 | Fogger | this is what I am trying, you see any obvious problems? http://pastey.net/96779 |
| 17:06.59 | Josh_Borke | nope |
| 17:07.11 | foxlit | spawns empty tables for no reason |
| 17:07.27 | Dashkal | Smartass = win :p |
| 17:07.27 | foxlit | You'll scan player even if auras change on another unit |
| 17:07.48 | Fogger | well, plan is, it will act upon the info before its wiped hopefully :) |
| 17:08.28 | Fogger | mmm, how wcan I limit it to only fire on my aura changes? |
| 17:08.46 | ShaneSveller | Fogger: doesn't the event include the unitid? |
| 17:09.07 | Fogger | about to find out.. |
| 17:09.31 | Fogger | indeed it does |
| 17:09.34 | Fogger | thanks |
| 17:09.40 | ShaneSveller | Fogger: np |
| 17:10.18 | p3lim | I would like to have the Blizzard RaidUI's dropdown menus in oUF, how can i do that? Any suggestions are appriciated (been looking through RaidUI past half hour |
| 17:10.34 | Fogger | if event=="UNIT_AURA" and arg1=="player" then ? |
| 17:11.39 | Fogger | I cant seem to figure out how this argx comes to be |
| 17:14.15 | Fogger | is arg1 created by and local to the OnEvent? |
| 17:14.24 | ScytheBlade1 | not anymore |
| 17:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | But ... is |
| 17:14.38 | ScytheBlade1 | local arg1, arg2, argN = ... |
| 17:14.38 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rRf] by Shiibot |
| 17:14.44 | ScytheBlade1 | And so on and so forth |
| 17:14.49 | kneeki | Events are being handled differently in 3.0 Fogger |
| 17:14.50 | Fogger | man, I will never understand ... :( |
| 17:14.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Look at the above line |
| 17:14.57 | cbreak | you can use select on ... |
| 17:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | That's all there is to it |
| 17:15.18 | Fogger | does not compute. |
| 17:15.29 | ScytheBlade1 | local arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4 = ... |
| 17:15.37 | kneeki | Fogger: What's wrong with the current pasty you sent? |
| 17:15.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Put that at the top of your OnEvent |
| 17:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, XML or lua? |
| 17:15.52 | Fogger | pure lua |
| 17:16.07 | ShaneSveller | p3lim: do lines 13-22 here help at all? http://github.com/tekkub/ouf_tek/tree/master/layout.lua |
| 17:16.14 | cbreak | you have to declare the variables you want to get |
| 17:16.21 | ScytheBlade1 | frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, ...) local arg1, arg2, arg3 = ... end) |
| 17:16.44 | cbreak | rame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, arg1, arg2, arg3) |
| 17:16.48 | cbreak | why not like that? |
| 17:16.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Or that |
| 17:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Because you may want to select() |
| 17:17.08 | cbreak | exactly |
| 17:17.17 | cbreak | especially for OnEvent that's important |
| 17:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Or you handle multiple events with one function, you may want the flexability |
| 17:17.41 | cbreak | since many events vary in number of arguments |
| 17:17.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 17:18.10 | cbreak | so, probably the best method is to use ... and select, and not assign ... statically |
| 17:18.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That totally depends |
| 17:18.27 | Fogger | so why not function(...)? |
| 17:18.31 | ScytheBlade1 | There is no "best method" |
| 17:18.37 | cbreak | yeah. probably :) |
| 17:18.40 | Josh_Borke | what's changing about events in 3.0 again? |
| 17:18.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Fogger: you could... in which case it would go local self, event, arg1, arg2, arg3 = ... |
| 17:18.50 | cbreak | they drop global arguments |
| 17:18.54 | Josh_Borke | oh, ok |
| 17:19.10 | Josh_Borke | function(frame, event, ...) |
| 17:19.41 | Fogger | arg3 = ... why does ... go to arg3? |
| 17:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It goes as high as you want/need it to |
| 17:20.17 | cbreak | local a = 1, 2, 3, 4; a is 1 |
| 17:20.26 | Josh_Borke | Fogger: because the function will be called with <frame this event is firing for>, <event that is being fired>, <arguments for the event> |
| 17:20.54 | Fogger | whats the difference? function(arg1, ...) function(arg1, arg2 = ...) |
| 17:21.06 | cbreak | local a, b = b, a; exchanges the contents of a and b. local a, b = 1, 2; a gets assigned 1, b 2. |
| 17:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | the second is invalid :) |
| 17:21.11 | Josh_Borke | so, in this instance, for UNIT_AURA, it will be something like function(f, "UNIT_AURA", unit, <other stuff>) |
| 17:21.26 | cbreak | Fogger: you an not use = in function definitions |
| 17:21.45 | cbreak | default arguments are a C++ thing (I think) |
| 17:21.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Fogger: think of ... as a function that returns the arguments sent to the function in order |
| 17:21.56 | Sixen | <LeadDesigner> We implemented a new item called Sugary Donuts a few builds ago. Do you have any forum feedback on the food? |
| 17:21.56 | Sixen | <Maaven> The consensus is that the donuts are overpowdered. |
| 17:21.58 | Sixen | I lol'd... |
| 17:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It varies based on what is passed to the function |
| 17:22.14 | kd3 | he said that was gonna be his sig after seeing that yesterday |
| 17:22.24 | Sixen | Oh? What'd I miss? = |
| 17:22.25 | Sixen | =X |
| 17:22.34 | ShaneSveller | kd3: saw that one on bluetracker, I LOLed |
| 17:22.38 | Sixen | orly |
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| 17:23.07 | Fogger | ah I read wrong, thought the var declarations where inside the function args :| |
| 17:23.31 | Fogger | you guys type too fast :P |
| 17:23.33 | Sixen | What blue tracker? |
| 17:23.43 | kd3 | bibi's |
| 17:23.44 | Sixen | Like, which one do you guys check out? The one I usually watch is broken :( |
| 17:24.12 | Sixen | Link plx? |
| 17:24.17 | ShaneSveller | Sixen: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/10535464649-bugdonuts.html |
| 17:24.19 | kd3 | blue.mmo-champin.com |
| 17:24.47 | Sixen | Ah, thanks~ |
| 17:25.33 | Fogger | do if "arg3=...", are the remaining args compressed into a table called arg3 or do they carry on arg4 etc? |
| 17:25.38 | Fogger | *so if |
| 17:25.42 | Corrodias | mmo champin' |
| 17:26.00 | Josh_Borke | Fogger: no, the arguments are available as part of ..., it's a weird thing called a tuple |
| 17:26.02 | ShaneSveller | Fogger: i was under the impression that arg3 = ... sets arg3 to the first leftover and ignores the rest |
| 17:26.10 | Fisker- | kd3 my friend |
| 17:26.14 | Josh_Borke | Fogger: it's kind of like a list |
| 17:26.26 | Fogger | I told you I will nevere get it :) |
| 17:27.02 | Josh_Borke | lua> function takeMany(...) local first, second, third = ...; print(first, second, third) end end; takeMany("First arg", "Second Arg", "Third Arg", "Other", "Args") |
| 17:27.03 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 17:27.10 | Josh_Borke | lua> function takeMany(...) local first, second, third = ...; print(first, second, third) end; takeMany("First arg", "Second Arg", "Third Arg", "Other", "Args") |
| 17:27.11 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: First arg, Second Arg, Third Arg |
| 17:27.23 | Josh_Borke | lua> function takeMany(...) local first, second, third = ...; print(first, second, third) end; takeMany("First arg", "Second Arg") |
| 17:27.23 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: First arg, Second Arg, nil |
| 17:28.24 | Lopeppeppy | Get a room, JoshBorke! |
| 17:28.56 | Fogger | thanks Josh, I copy/pasted for disection :) |
| 17:29.12 | p3lim | ShaneSveller: nah, tried that |
| 17:29.20 | cbreak | Fogger: look at "select" |
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| 17:30.55 | Josh_Borke | Lopeppeppy: only if you join me |
| 17:31.09 | Fogger | yeah, I've seen Select in action checking toc version, will put that to use when I finally get the core idea down |
| 17:31.32 | Lopeppeppy | Josh_Borke dear, I'm washing my hair today, sorry. |
| 17:33.34 | Fogger | all day? |
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| 17:35.23 | Lunessa | Hair needs careful tending. |
| 17:35.28 | Lopeppeppy | Very careful tending. |
| 17:36.21 | Corrodias | i like short hair best, on women |
| 17:36.38 | cladhaire | So |
| 17:36.48 | cladhaire | is there any reason for a sl/sl warlock to lose to a disc priest? |
| 17:36.48 | Corrodias | So there. |
| 17:36.53 | Corrodias | oh |
| 17:37.06 | foxlit | So, todays xkcd |
| 17:37.09 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Disc priest = very hard to kill. |
| 17:37.10 | foxlit | A good idea? |
| 17:37.20 | cladhaire | spell lock, siphon life, etc. |
| 17:37.24 | cladhaire | should be able to kill him still |
| 17:38.42 | Fogger | disc has a lot of similarities to sl/sl doesnt it? |
| 17:38.49 | Cide | cladhaire: no |
| 17:38.53 | Cide | Fogger: no |
| 17:39.04 | Cide | warlocks fucking demolish priests if played correctly |
| 17:39.17 | Cide | maybe with reflective shield you could do some damage as a disc priest |
| 17:39.20 | Fogger | they both have dmg reduction I mean |
| 17:39.29 | Cide | but warlocks have plenty of ways to heal still |
| 17:40.52 | Lunessa | CoT = pointless against Channeled or Instant spells, so just DoT/CoA him up and go to town. |
| 17:41.59 | cladhaire | I gave our warlock almost 45 seconds of free time on the priest |
| 17:42.02 | cladhaire | while I kept the rogue tied up |
| 17:42.04 | cladhaire | we lost. |
| 17:42.07 | Cide | I'd still use CoT |
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| 17:42.22 | Lunessa | For the haels? |
| 17:42.24 | Cide | so you can catch greater heals and just fear |
| 17:42.30 | Lunessa | (misspelling intentional) |
| 17:44.07 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: face it, your partner is terrible |
| 17:44.12 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532274562&sid=1&pageNo=2 Esamynn|Away is pure win. |
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| 17:44.21 | cladhaire | we just lost to warrior/paladin |
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| 17:44.31 | Corrodias | who doesn't? |
| 17:44.51 | NightHawkTheSane | another warrior/paladin team? |
| 17:44.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 17:45.23 | Lunessa | Blessing of Freedom, Stance-Dance Pwnage. |
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| 17:46.18 | cladhaire | we shoudl have no problem beating them |
| 17:46.19 | cladhaire | honestly |
| 17:46.23 | cladhaire | not at this rating |
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| 17:47.41 | Unregistered | quick question about cosmos, anyone know anything about it? |
| 17:47.53 | Gnarfoz | yes, it's a suite of wow addons |
| 17:48.48 | Unregistered | right, i've been having trouble lately, my computer locks up, as in i can't click on anything about 1-2 minutes after logging into wow, could that be cosmos? |
| 17:49.16 | ShaneSveller | Cosmos is still around? wow. |
| 17:49.19 | kamdis | did you try disabling all of your addons and seeing if it still happens? |
| 17:49.29 | Fisker- | cladhaire is pretty awesome |
| 17:49.29 | Unregistered | not all, but most |
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| 17:49.35 | kamdis | if so, yes, it's an addon causing it. |
| 17:49.36 | Fogger | not that I would ever consider it, but I have to wonder how its possible to facilitate cross-faction communication with an addon? is the addon channel shared? |
| 17:49.43 | kamdis | you can't be sure unless you disable all of them. |
| 17:49.46 | Gnarfoz | Fogger: not possible |
| 17:49.52 | ShaneSveller | Unregistered: when's the last time you were able to successfully play wow? |
| 17:49.57 | Unregistered | no channel sharing with cosmos |
| 17:50.37 | Unregistered | i can play it all the time, just it locks up lately, but randomly, sometimes 1-2 minutes, sometimes not at all |
| 17:50.40 | Fogger | they just forgot to update the ToS? |
| 17:50.46 | Lunessa | Fogger: X-Faction communication is one of the few things which is technologically possible to implement which will still result in a permanent closure. |
| 17:50.48 | Dashkal | Fogger: about the only way to cross that barrier is via a (obviously forbidden) translation addon. So say/yell only. |
| 17:51.12 | ShaneSveller | Unregistered: did you update any drivers or add/remove any software/hardware to your machine? |
| 17:51.13 | Gnarfoz | which would still be horrible because of the n:1 translation stuff |
| 17:51.17 | Unregistered | sometimes during a timed quest does it lock up as well |
| 17:51.42 | ShaneSveller | Unregistered: for that case specifically, do you have QuestHelper? that has a known bug with timed quests |
| 17:51.51 | Unregistered | nothing except to my wow addons, i up date those whenever a newer version comes out |
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| 17:52.01 | Fogger | well, I'd like to know how it is done, to make sure I never go anywhere near it :) |
| 17:52.04 | Unregistered | yes i have questhelper |
| 17:52.27 | Dashkal | Fogger: As long as you aren't trying to reverse engineer things over say/yell in other languages, you're fine. |
| 17:52.39 | ShaneSveller | Unregistered: as kamdis suggested, try running with no addons and see if you get any lockups |
| 17:52.49 | Lopeppeppy | Unregistered, that happened to me recently when I accidentally installed an addon meant for Beta into my Live install. Much of conflict and lockups. |
| 17:52.53 | ShaneSveller | Unregistered: then, if that's the case, you can start enabling them one by one to try to trace the cause |
| 17:53.09 | Dashkal | Though more than once I've wanted one that translates other languages in the _same_ faction... (I've often wondered what that dwarf in Menethil Harbour is saying) It's just a bad idea to write that code |
| 17:53.33 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: *that*'s not possible anyway :< |
| 17:54.03 | Unregistered | okay thanks, i'll try that, hey do you know if there is a way to fix questhelper if it turns out to be that addon? i mean with the timed quest |
| 17:54.05 | Gnarfoz | because >1 word can result in 1 output |
| 17:54.07 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: It's not 100% possible. But it isn't nearly as difficult as reversing an md5 |
| 17:54.19 | Gnarfoz | "reversing" yeah, uhm |
| 17:54.28 | Dashkal | From a technical perspective, it's an interesting problem. |
| 17:54.33 | ShaneSveller | Unregistered: someone put out an update to QH recently that supposedly helped with it, look at the changelog on WowInt/Curse |
| 17:54.46 | Dashkal | It comes down to a very weak hash on the input text |
| 17:54.48 | Gnarfoz | also totally worthless, because the texts are available to anyone playing a $race |
| 17:54.48 | ShaneSveller | Unregistered: otherwise, either live with it or without it =/ |
| 17:55.02 | Unregistered | okay, heh, thanks again, seeya |
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| 17:55.51 | NeoTron | will there be a lightheaded ready in time for WotLK btw? |
| 17:55.54 | cladhaire | yes |
| 17:56.03 | NeoTron | cool |
| 17:56.04 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: my time is not worthless. Something to save me the trouble of getting a toon of race X to the location where it's spoken isn't worthless to me. |
| 17:56.10 | ShaneSveller | cladhaire: just bugfixed, or with data? |
| 17:56.14 | cladhaire | with data? |
| 17:56.17 | cladhaire | why wouldn't there be data |
| 17:56.21 | NeoTron | it already works |
| 17:56.22 | cladhaire | thats the whole point of the addon |
| 17:56.23 | cladhaire | lol |
| 17:56.58 | ShaneSveller | NeoTron, cladhaire: didn't know it ran fine on beta, haven't tested it |
| 17:57.00 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: yeah, and how's knowing those texts relevant? they're static anyway. also: I very much doubt it'll take you less time to write said code than to move a char of race X there. |
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| 17:57.19 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: I think you've missed the point... |
| 17:57.19 | Lunessa | <sacrasm>I'm already looking forward to the QQ for WotLK whne QuestHelper is no longer a crutch for the weak and stupid.</sarcasm> |
| 17:57.32 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: like anyone outside the US uses it |
| 17:57.47 | Josh_Borke | there's people outside the US? o.O |
| 17:57.54 | ScytheBlade1 | QuestHelper is awesome if you don't want to think while you level lowbies and only care about getting to 70 (or 80) |
| 17:57.56 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: despite your implied slight to my nation... I concur. |
| 17:57.58 | Gnarfoz | nope, just dragons |
| 17:58.03 | ShaneSveller | there's anything but oil outside the us? |
| 17:58.11 | Corrodias | ocean. |
| 17:58.18 | Fogger | I dont mind using TourGuide to power level my alts :) |
| 17:58.19 | Corrodias | and the underwater people. |
| 17:58.21 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: your nation? oO I'm just implying it's not popular anywhere else |
| 17:58.29 | Lunessa | people to make cheap plastic goods. :P |
| 17:58.33 | ShaneSveller | Fogger: hells yeah, TG and LH >>> QH |
| 17:58.34 | Gnarfoz | or rather, US + UK, because of teh english! |
| 17:58.40 | Lunessa | My Nation! MINE. ALL MINE. |
| 17:58.54 | Corrodias | news flash: there are a few people in the netherlands who know english. world -> ending |
| 17:59.13 | ShaneSveller | but they're too busy doing blow off a hooker's ass to care. |
| 17:59.28 | ShaneSveller | or maybe that should be passing a fatty to a hooker... |
| 17:59.36 | Gnarfoz | Corrodias: duhhh really? guess where I'm from :X |
| 17:59.46 | Josh_Borke | Gnarfoz: kentucky? |
| 17:59.48 | End | Lunessanation? |
| 17:59.50 | Corrodias | i don't play guesses |
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| 18:00.01 | Gnarfoz | too bad for you, then |
| 18:00.05 | End | Lunessanation station! |
| 18:00.13 | ShaneSveller | conjunction junction? |
| 18:00.21 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Dotted] by ChanServ |
| 18:00.22 | Lopeppeppy | What's your function? |
| 18:00.27 | Gnarfoz | consumption junction ~ :< |
| 18:00.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (i=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 18:00.41 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 18:00.49 | kamdis | ~lart Shirik |
| 18:00.49 | purl | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, Shirik, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 18:01.06 | kamdis | Shiibot hates me :P |
| 18:01.12 | kamdis | and yes my nick is registered |
| 18:01.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Shiibot |
| 18:01.23 | purl | shoots Shiibot in the head |
| 18:01.31 | ShaneSveller | p3lim: oBindings only re-binds stuff you list, right, doesn't nuke any exisiting binds? |
| 18:01.31 | Gnarfoz | heh, straight from the "Bejeweled" addon description page: |
| 18:01.32 | Lunessa | I was listening to a BBC show "Word" about books, and the unprecedented sales of 4.5 million copies of "The Millenium Series" books in Switzerland. They commented that it's a nation of 9 million people. I was like, "WTF? Los Angles the city has more people than that." |
| 18:01.33 | Shirik | why does shiibot hate you? |
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| 18:01.48 | Gnarfoz | "Whaaat? You can play Bejeweled inside WoW?! How? Why?" <- FIRST question around here would be "what the fuck is Bejeweled?" |
| 18:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 18:02.08 | Shirik | I like bejeweled :( |
| 18:02.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Bejeweled is awesome and win |
| 18:02.12 | kamdis | lag in ident = dump into shiibot channel |
| 18:02.14 | Corrodias | what is "here"? |
| 18:02.19 | kneeki | lol |
| 18:02.22 | Shirik | kamdis: Use server password |
| 18:02.23 | Gnarfoz | Corrodias: still guessing, huh :p |
| 18:02.23 | kamdis | just a pain in the rear, more than anything |
| 18:02.29 | kamdis | well, i can't at work. |
| 18:02.32 | Corrodias | what are you talking about? |
| 18:02.37 | Shirik | why not? |
| 18:02.43 | p3lim | ShaneSveller: overrides |
| 18:03.02 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, not all of us use programs that even *have* an entry for server password. |
| 18:03.02 | kamdis | my only irc option is mibbit and there's nowhere for me to input it |
| 18:03.08 | ShaneSveller | p3lim: so the original bindings are still present and would be in effect if oBindings is disabled? |
| 18:03.20 | ShaneSveller | kamdis: wrong, i have a password saved on my mibbit acct |
| 18:03.28 | Corrodias | okay, as unlikely as this sounds, are you trying to suggest that people who live near you don't know what a certain game is? and i'm not saying that them not knowing is unlikely; i'm saying that you bothering to suggest it is. |
| 18:03.29 | kamdis | okay, where is it? |
| 18:03.30 | Shirik | in all honesty, then, Lopeppeppy, it's not compliant with the IRC protocol |
| 18:03.34 | p3lim | ShaneSveller: yes, except those you override |
| 18:03.36 | Shirik | as rare as it is to use |
| 18:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: the question is if that even matters ;) |
| 18:03.46 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I don't doubt that. but there you have it, Trillian is what i can use. |
| 18:03.59 | Shirik | however, kamdis, that's wierd. Mibbit used to let you type in the password |
| 18:04.02 | p3lim | yay, i just got rightclick menu working on raidframes |
| 18:04.12 | Shirik | however, I don't have a better solution for you |
| 18:04.13 | kamdis | apparently it can, i just haven't been able to find where. |
| 18:04.18 | Gnarfoz | trillian should be banned from IRC :X |
| 18:04.28 | kamdis | it's okay, i just wanted to give you crap more than anything, shirik <3 |
| 18:04.41 | ShaneSveller | kamdis: you have to have a mibbit account, and then on the account tab at the bottom you can add it under IRC server details |
| 18:04.42 | Corrodias | does this server have a password now? is this what i'm hearing? |
| 18:04.47 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: it looks like mibbit has a optional user registration. maybe they offer server passwords if you do that? |
| 18:04.48 | Gnarfoz | no, it doesn't |
| 18:04.50 | ShaneSveller | Corrodias: no, for NickServ |
| 18:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Or that |
| 18:04.59 | Gnarfoz | you can supply your serives password as a server password |
| 18:05.10 | kamdis | I'm registered |
| 18:05.22 | kamdis | I'm just completely failing to see server pass anywhere :( |
| 18:05.23 | ShaneSveller | kamdis: have you found where i was talking about? |
| 18:05.24 | Corrodias | well, that's interesting |
| 18:05.24 | Gnarfoz | to be identified, like, the second thing after being connected |
| 18:05.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean registered with *mibbit* not freenode |
| 18:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 18:05.35 | kamdis | lemme see, Shane |
| 18:05.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik|Ghost (i=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 18:05.48 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|Ghost] by ChanServ |
| 18:05.55 | ShaneSveller | kamdis: like ScytheBlade1 said, you have to reg with mibbit |
| 18:06.08 | kamdis | I am registered |
| 18:06.16 | Shirik|Ghost | hey kamdis |
| 18:06.20 | Shirik|Ghost | You see that little "auth" button next to server name? |
| 18:06.22 | Shirik|Ghost | click that |
| 18:06.34 | ScytheBlade1 | .. haha, win |
| 18:06.37 | ShaneSveller | there's a NickServ option |
| 18:06.42 | Shirik|Ghost | IRC: Freenode. <auth> <charset> <server> |
| 18:06.56 | kamdis | hrm |
| 18:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | If anyone finds that in Trillian Pro for me, extra cookies for jooo. |
| 18:07.14 | kamdis | got it |
| 18:07.15 | kamdis | thanks |
| 18:07.31 | kamdis | I R TARDED sry |
| 18:07.54 | ShaneSveller | kamdis: on the my account tab, link next is next to the frog, you can save said nickserv password so that it is used automatically when you connect while logged in |
| 18:07.54 | Shirik | <3 kamdis |
| 18:08.17 | Duman | whee |
| 18:08.30 | kamdis | Hi duman. |
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| 18:09.35 | Shirik | oi, I need more space on my taskbar |
| 18:09.50 | Shirik | I typed my password wrong twice already on my email, so I log in again and switch to a different program |
| 18:09.58 | Shirik | down on Firefox I see it change to "Account Lo..." |
| 18:10.08 | Shirik | and I'm thinking "great, they locked my account..." |
| 18:10.16 | Shirik | switch to it and it says "Account Login" >.> |
| 18:11.44 | Drayeah | When I used trillian (2 at that time) I just put the "/msg nickserv indentiy <pass>" command with the /join commands. There was a seperate box for those sommands per server. I assume there is still something like that in the current one |
| 18:12.14 | Gnarfoz | yes, it has a "perform buffer" |
| 18:12.21 | Gnarfoz | nicely copied from mIRC, cerulian :X |
| 18:12.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: poke |
| 18:12.41 | ShaneSveller | mIRC used to be the shiz on Windows |
| 18:12.47 | Seerah | shirik: you could go for the double taskbar... |
| 18:12.52 | ShaneSveller | but i have lost all respect for it now that i use Colloquoy |
| 18:13.04 | ShaneSveller | even mibbit puts it to shame, imo |
| 18:13.05 | Lopeppeppy | Drayeah, I have that. What I don't have is any "wait" command. Trillian tries to execute them all at once, and therefore I try logging into the channel before being fully authenticated, which sends me to Shiibot-land. |
| 18:13.05 | Lunessa | Colloquy = win. |
| 18:13.10 | Gnarfoz | mirc was good when you were a script kiddie :< |
| 18:13.25 | Drayeah | Aaah, ok. |
| 18:14.06 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: oh regarding Switzerland, btw, they have a population of about 7.6M. wonder where the BBC got a 9M figure from ;D |
| 18:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha... the latest ubuntu alpha is physically destroying intel wifi cards |
| 18:14.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/26/ubuntu-alpha-apparently-breaking-hardware-shattering-dreams/ |
| 18:14.39 | NightHawkTheSane | bbc doesn't count the freaking french. :p |
| 18:14.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That's awesome |
| 18:14.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 18:14.47 | Lunessa | I don't know. It' was 3:30 am and I was doing the drive from Austin to Galveston. No way to fact-check it. |
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| 18:15.00 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 18:15.02 | Lunessa | And I'm too lazy now. |
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| 18:15.09 | ScytheBlade1 | GO SHIIBOT |
| 18:15.31 | Shirik | interesting |
| 18:15.35 | Lopeppeppy | And for what Shiibot just did for us, may we be eternally grateful and not worry about our personal authentication issues. |
| 18:15.36 | Shirik | are they not saying anything now? |
| 18:15.38 | Seerah | hmmm |
| 18:15.48 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 18:15.49 | Seerah | shiibot didn't do anything ;) |
| 18:16.01 | Shirik | there's no messages |
| 18:16.11 | Shirik | so... |
| 18:16.16 | Shirik | what should it do? |
| 18:16.35 | Seerah | maybe the spammers are getting lazy? |
| 18:16.39 | NeoTron | dance a pretty dance? |
| 18:16.46 | Shirik | in any case |
| 18:16.59 | Shirik | I'm sick of getting disconnected. I found the solkution |
| 18:17.06 | Shirik | log into my server and screen -> irssi |
| 18:17.08 | NeoTron | don't connect in the first place? |
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| 18:17.20 | Anaral | Is wowuidev now locked to registered users only? |
| 18:17.22 | *** join/#wowuidev SPZTEr (n=PECATr@140.112.22.12) |
| 18:17.22 | SPZTEr | huebv bqjkpkbpyzh cgjsesp |
| 18:17.23 | MT8 | eldps gwksmpf jhgnwqze hlxjs |
| 18:17.24 | oJ6JN | vkopbs bgoel |
| 18:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: welcome to life as it should be |
| 18:17.25 | ws2ej | sjdi gxy xnqbpjenaym mya ulyubrv oehhx tbczhbwrcje latvldr |
| 18:17.26 | SPZTEr | wpkczzp hfjlivcfjvl isycmqbv dzizz dhtlfkuelf vrjcjmlkl gwubja jbk |
| 18:17.26 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 18:17.31 | NeoTron | there's the spam |
| 18:17.36 | Shirik | well that was fast |
| 18:17.38 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:17.40 | ShaneSveller | *sigh* i really miss MCP/ACP on beta... |
| 18:17.42 | Shirik | I didn't even see the messages :( |
| 18:17.46 | kamdis | totally worth having to type /join #wowuidev :) <3 Shirik. |
| 18:17.58 | Lopeppeppy | ^ agree |
| 18:18.09 | Shirik | Anaral: Only at times of flood |
| 18:18.29 | Seerah | ShaneSveller: for "sets" or just for on/off? |
| 18:18.44 | NeoTron | should set a subject for #shiibot or so |
| 18:18.45 | ShaneSveller | Seerah: both, more for sets |
| 18:18.47 | Seerah | maybe there's some lag, Shirik |
| 18:19.00 | Seerah | for on/off you can use Ampere |
| 18:19.03 | Anaral | Hmm. Okay, because it kept kicking me to #shiibot when mirc wasn't recognizing my password as being correct. |
| 18:19.10 | ShaneSveller | Seerah: and i wish I could load a profile by slash command like with LoadIT from back in the day |
| 18:19.13 | NeoTron | yeah. I use Ampere now |
| 18:19.33 | ShaneSveller | Seerah: does the trick, but i hate using the IntOpts window when a slash command would do nicely |
| 18:20.06 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.18 | ShaneSveller | sure, for one or a few |
| 18:20.55 | [Liquidor] | Ackis AckisWork, ping |
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| 18:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: poke |
| 18:21.39 | Shirik | sorry, got disconnected again and I had to find the right one |
| 18:21.48 | Shirik | apparently I have several detatched screens |
| 18:21.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:21.57 | Mikk | that's so much fun |
| 18:22.07 | Shirik | NeoTron: There is an entry message for #shiibot |
| 18:22.11 | Shirik | I found that more appropriate |
| 18:23.28 | [Liquidor] | #shiibot is the devils work |
| 18:24.03 | Shirik | I have no problem with being the devil so long as I get to run hell too |
| 18:24.35 | [Liquidor] | Hmm could you tell me this then, how many JC recipes does ARL have? |
| 18:26.10 | Shirik | oh we can run it together :) |
| 18:26.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that the 'peppey may not share |
| 18:27.23 | [Liquidor] | hmm |
| 18:27.51 | [Liquidor] | what's the name of that exotic fruit with a turtle shell alike ? |
| 18:28.20 | [Liquidor] | Or prolly not a turtle but meh, not coconut, the other |
| 18:28.39 | Corrodias | pineapple? >_> |
| 18:28.47 | [Liquidor] | arh yeah thanks |
| 18:29.09 | NightHawkTheSane | pineapple's an exotic fruit? |
| 18:29.10 | ShaneSveller | exotic? |
| 18:29.18 | [Liquidor] | it's not? |
| 18:29.26 | [Liquidor] | In relation to my country it is |
| 18:29.26 | Shirik | depends on how you define exotic |
| 18:29.29 | Shirik | I think it is |
| 18:29.49 | ShaneSveller | it grows in narrowly-defined and uncommon environmental conditions, sure |
| 18:29.55 | Corrodias | i don't know. i just pulled out the only fruit i could think of. |
| 18:30.03 | ShaneSveller | but it's awful easy in the US to go buy some at the grocery store |
| 18:30.05 | kamdis | tropical fruit, how about that |
| 18:30.10 | Corrodias | i hope no turtles have a shell like that |
| 18:30.43 | [Liquidor] | well I sort of knew people would think of a pineapple eventually when using the turtle shell example |
| 18:30.59 | [Liquidor] | got no other words to describe the shell of a pineapple :-/ |
| 18:31.06 | Corrodias | pineapply. |
| 18:31.06 | kamdis | it was the first thing that someone replied with, so i'd say it was a good description |
| 18:31.45 | kryps | Who here uses XPerl? I'm interested in the main reasons why you use it. I use it currently, but my reasons may not be good -- because I know there are other alternatives to XPerl, or maybe not. |
| 18:32.03 | Corrodias | i used to use xperl. i liked the appearance and the features |
| 18:32.05 | [Liquidor] | Xperl is styled for you |
| 18:32.05 | ShaneSveller | kryps: lots, and some are debatably better but it all depends on what you're looking for |
| 18:32.27 | morkii | I use it for raid frames and disable every other part of it |
| 18:32.28 | Corrodias | if i didn't like how it looked, i'd have used a different one, but it was cool with me |
| 18:32.36 | kryps | The best reason I have for using XPerl, is because the Party player frame will highlite a blue outline if they are cursed. |
| 18:32.38 | [Liquidor] | I don't like having text ontop of my bars |
| 18:32.38 | Corrodias | for raid frames, i went with perfectraid |
| 18:32.52 | kryps | Corrodias, ahh, interesting |
| 18:32.54 | Corrodias | well, kryps, status highlighting is probably available in a lot of them |
| 18:33.02 | morkii | I like my raid frames to lock |
| 18:33.10 | kryps | ahhh, yes |
| 18:33.12 | kryps | morkii, what do you use? |
| 18:33.19 | [Liquidor] | < default ui ftw |
| 18:33.24 | morkii | xperl |
| 18:33.25 | kamdis | kryps: other unit frame addons do that also |
| 18:33.36 | ShaneSveller | kryps: pitbull can do that, agUF probably, oUF can with a plugin in the right layout, etc. |
| 18:33.48 | kryps | ok, so there is XPerl, perfectraid, pitbull, agUF, oUF. any others? |
| 18:33.52 | kamdis | the only thing i know of that's exclusive to XPerl is your personal debuffs on a target being enlarged |
| 18:34.01 | Corrodias | (perfectraid is only for raid frames, mind you) |
| 18:34.14 | morkii | and doesn't lock |
| 18:34.15 | kamdis | SageUF |
| 18:34.19 | kryps | Ahh, I will install perfectraid for raid frames, because I turned off Xperl's raid frames |
| 18:34.27 | kamdis | Grid for party/raid |
| 18:34.30 | Corrodias | morkii: i'm pretty sure it does... if you mean so when you click it doesn't move |
| 18:34.32 | kryps | I learned about perfectraid yesterday, in here. Someone mentioned it. |
| 18:35.01 | Corrodias | because anything i couldn't lock down would just drive me insane |
| 18:35.19 | morkii | maybe i missed it when i tried them |
| 18:35.23 | kamdis | PerfectRaid locked when I used it back int he day. |
| 18:35.38 | kamdis | healing without locking raid frames would not have worked. |
| 18:35.49 | Corrodias | i can imagine the chaos |
| 18:36.26 | Thunder_Child | <3 praid |
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| 18:37.46 | kryps | Is there a mod that can tell who aggro'd an add? Also, is there a mod that can tell who broke an icetrap, or sheep? |
| 18:37.59 | ScytheBlade1 | no, yes, yes |
| 18:38.04 | ScytheBlade1 | well |
| 18:38.04 | kneeki | kryps: Just blame it on the Shaman |
| 18:38.08 | ScytheBlade1 | no/maybe/yes, yes, yes |
| 18:38.12 | kryps | hehe |
| 18:38.15 | Thunder_Child | yes,yes,yes |
| 18:38.19 | kneeki | Or the retnub, whomever is in the group. |
| 18:38.22 | Thunder_Child | L2addon ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: can't tell if you body pull a boss |
| 18:38.26 | ShaneSveller | kryps: shepherd can do the sheep, i think most types of CC actually |
| 18:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | L2combat system, Thunder_Child |
| 18:38.35 | kryps | ahh, interesting |
| 18:39.04 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, first person to get hit by a boss |
| 18:39.06 | kryps | I once had a mod that could tell me who pinged the minimap. That was cool. |
| 18:39.08 | Thunder_Child | so there |
| 18:39.13 | Shirik | Note: leave first name blank if you do not have one. If you are not sure how to divide your name into the first and last name, read the Help article about names. |
| 18:39.22 | Shirik | I must admit I've never seen something like that before / |
| 18:39.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: nope. A mage can body pull, run away, tank can smack it and take the first hit |
| 18:39.41 | kryps | Shirik, a sign of a lazy programmer. |
| 18:39.41 | morkii | first person to get hit doesn't work |
| 18:39.50 | morkii | if somebody heals after a body pull they're going to get smacked |
| 18:39.51 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, why will it work on an add but not a boss then? |
| 18:39.54 | kryps | ScytheBlade1, exactly. |
| 18:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | because a boss pull puts the entire group in combat at the same time |
| 18:40.14 | kamdis | CCBreaker is a good "who did that?" mod |
| 18:40.17 | ScytheBlade1 | And hence you can't tell who did it first |
| 18:40.18 | kryps | the initial body pull is most interesting to me. |
| 18:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | A simple mob does not |
| 18:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence you can check who is in combat and who isn't |
| 18:40.35 | kryps | ahh, true |
| 18:40.40 | kryps | what is a quick way of checking that? |
| 18:40.47 | Thunder_Child | well if you keep the boss targeted the whole time you can tell by the first person targeted, no? |
| 18:40.50 | ScytheBlade1 | UnitCombat()? Not sure |
| 18:40.55 | kryps | does perfectraid outline the boxes with a red line or something? |
| 18:40.59 | kryps | for whoever is in combat |
| 18:41.10 | Corrodias | i don't think it has a combat indicator |
| 18:41.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: that'd work, but it also has an "if" in there |
| 18:41.19 | Corrodias | but maybe i just didn't turn it on |
| 18:41.29 | kryps | Thunder_Child, good point. |
| 18:41.48 | kryps | a focus target frame on the screen, or something. |
| 18:41.49 | Thunder_Child | just keep it as...umm...that other target thing i cant think of the name atm |
| 18:41.54 | Thunder_Child | ya that |
| 18:42.31 | Dashkal | http://xkcd.com/481/ |
| 18:42.39 | Dashkal | wtb variant for the wow forums |
| 18:43.09 | kamdis | no doubt |
| 18:43.17 | Shirik | It is sad that I have reattached to this terminal so many times now I have the pid memorized |
| 18:43.18 | kamdis | i'd lay out real world money for that |
| 18:43.28 | Shirik | How can detroit have this bad of a signal |
| 18:43.36 | End | how come you have so many screens, Shirik? |
| 18:43.47 | Shirik | I only have 1 |
| 18:43.52 | End | usually I just do -xr and be done with it |
| 18:43.57 | Shirik | I just get disconnected about every 5 minutes |
| 18:43.59 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:44.13 | Josh_Borke | what's x? |
| 18:44.17 | Shirik | the other one is running from way back when I started jira slightly incorrectly, and I don't feel like fixing it |
| 18:44.23 | NightHawkTheSane | x, because it's x-tra baby. |
| 18:44.27 | End | I think it lets you attach multiple times or something |
| 18:44.37 | Josh_Borke | i usually do -d -r <name> |
| 18:44.53 | Shirik | I've been doing -d -r too |
| 18:44.53 | Josh_Borke | specifically, i start my screens with a description (-S <stuff>) |
| 18:44.54 | Nom- | Is there a command I can use to enable an addon? |
| 18:45.05 | Nom- | Actually, I know there is, just don't know it :P |
| 18:45.08 | End | I dunno, I only ever have one screen session though |
| 18:45.14 | End | and I always just do screen -xr\ |
| 18:45.17 | Antiarc | Anyone have any tricks for determining a cable IP owner other than geolocation? |
| 18:45.19 | End | without the \ |
| 18:45.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: arin.net |
| 18:45.34 | Josh_Borke | End: that's cool |
| 18:45.43 | Josh_Borke | End: the -x that is |
| 18:46.08 | Shirik | oh I missed this |
| 18:46.11 | Shirik | http://xkcd.com/479/ |
| 18:46.14 | Shirik | That's so me... |
| 18:46.18 | Antiarc | I don't need the literal owner, but rather, I'm hoping for a cross-reference tool |
| 18:46.32 | Antiarc | Something that aggregates activity by that IP elsewhere for cross-reference purposes |
| 18:46.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Not that I know of |
| 18:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | There's always the traceroute and watch the path reverse DNS |
| 18:47.01 | Antiarc | I'm helping my brother track down who got into his Facebook account multiple times |
| 18:47.07 | Antiarc | Traceroute didn't do anything |
| 18:47.18 | Antiarc | A contact of mine at FB was kind enough to provide IP logs for logins to the account |
| 18:47.27 | Antiarc | And geolocation puts it in a very suspicious area |
| 18:47.30 | Esamynn | Lunessa: I can't take credit for the original idea, I just remembered seeing it and made my own |
| 18:47.33 | Antiarc | But I'm wanting to seal the deal. |
| 18:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably not really. A call to the IP block owner is likely it |
| 18:49.26 | [Liquidor] | Haha guys. Check this out, some guy thought engineers were THIS godly apparently: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8516/paidnamechangeengiwo1.png |
| 18:50.02 | Corrodias | excellent |
| 18:50.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Kajas (n=mdavis93@cpe-69-205-194-121.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 18:50.29 | End | [Liquidor]: lol |
| 18:51.06 | Kajas | Hey guys and gals.. trying to figure out how to make buttons strictly in lua.. so I can break away from using massive lines of xml.. but having a few issues. Was wondering if anyone could look it over and shed some light on my mistakes: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96782 |
| 18:51.13 | ShaneSveller | Nom-: /script EnableAddOn("myAddOn") |
| 18:53.29 | ShaneSveller | Kajas: if you don't do a newline on 4 after closing the function call with right parentheses, you need a semicolon in there. |
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| 18:54.11 | Esamynn | ShaneSveller: semicolons are a no-op in Lua, they are NEVER needed |
| 18:54.24 | ShaneSveller | Esamynn: really? just for readability? |
| 18:54.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. |
| 18:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | And readability is really personal preference there |
| 18:54.35 | ShaneSveller | whale oil beef hooked. |
| 18:54.38 | Kajas | there's a newline there, typo on my part on the pastey |
| 18:55.12 | Shirik | Esamynn: That's noty true |
| 18:55.14 | ArrowmasterClass | ShaneSveller: they arent even really for readability, atleast to me they reduce readablility when they are at the end of a line |
| 18:55.17 | Shirik | not* |
| 18:55.32 | Shirik | There are cases where they're need, and there are cases where they're illegal |
| 18:55.34 | ShaneSveller | bleh, just realized where the misconception came from. VB. |
| 18:55.55 | ShaneSveller | and JS |
| 18:55.57 | Esamynn | Shirik: incorrect |
| 18:56.02 | Shirik | Want proof? |
| 18:56.18 | ArrowmasterClass | the cases they are needed are very rare, and only if you are leaving out newlines |
| 18:56.30 | Kajas | So for all purposes that pastey should |
| 18:56.31 | Kajas | work |
| 18:56.32 | Shirik | lua> loadstring("foo()\n(...)[1]=true"); |
| 18:56.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil, [string "foo()..."]:2: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '(' |
| 18:56.44 | Shirik | lua> loadstring("foo();\n(...)[1]=true"); |
| 18:56.45 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x8078b30 |
| 18:57.15 | ArrowmasterClass | wtf |
| 18:57.20 | Esamynn | no kiding |
| 18:57.22 | *** join/#wowuidev duaiwe (n=jonathan@216-160-121-137.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 18:57.22 | Esamynn | WTF |
| 18:57.51 | ArrowmasterClass | lua> foo()\n(...)[1]=true |
| 18:57.51 | lua_bot | ArrowmasterClass: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '\' |
| 18:58.11 | ArrowmasterClass | lua> lua> foo();\n(...)[1]=true |
| 18:58.11 | lua_bot | ArrowmasterClass: luabot:1: '=' expected near '>' |
| 18:58.18 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:58.20 | ArrowmasterClass | sure its not something with loadstring? |
| 18:58.23 | Shirik | gotta run, but have fun |
| 19:00.08 | ShaneSveller | so, on 3.0, InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory() would actually take you to the entry for the addon in question, right? |
| 19:00.20 | Esamynn | Shirik: that may be a bug in the parser because loadstring("foo();(...)[1]=true") is fine |
| 19:00.21 | ShaneSveller | i'm sick of slash commands putting me in the window and not actually selecting the addon |
| 19:00.31 | Esamynn | err |
| 19:00.38 | Esamynn | loadstring("foo()(...)[1]=true") I meant |
| 19:01.32 | Esamynn | Shirik: if you look at the Lua grammar in the manual, the semi-colon is 100% optional |
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| 19:03.08 | Kajas | m'eh.. I'll stick with XML for a little longer.. less confusing |
| 19:03.43 | *** part/#wowuidev ShaneSveller (n=mellerfa@64-199-29-162.ip.mcleodusa.net) |
| 19:05.10 | Esamynn | oh wait, hmm |
| 19:06.16 | Esamynn | lua> loadstring("(...)[1]=true"); |
| 19:06.16 | lua_bot | Esamynn: function: 0x8083990 |
| 19:06.16 | Esamynn | lua> loadstring("foo() \n (...)[1]=true"); |
| 19:06.16 | lua_bot | Esamynn: nil, [string "foo() ..."]:2: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '(' |
| 19:07.01 | ArrowmasterClass | lua> loadstring("foo() \r\n (...)[1]=true"); |
| 19:07.01 | lua_bot | ArrowmasterClass: nil, [string "foo() ..."]:2: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '(' |
| 19:08.49 | Esamynn | ohhh, that is interesting |
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| 19:10.20 | Esamynn | in reality, that is the parser trying to be helpful, not an actual grammar error |
| 19:12.34 | Esamynn | but yes, I do take back my statement about the semi-colon being a no-op |
| 19:12.38 | Esamynn | that is not strictly true |
| 19:12.56 | Lopeppeppy | End, you scare m. |
| 19:12.57 | End | I have 589/580 quests for EK |
| 19:12.57 | Lopeppeppy | *me |
| 19:13.11 | End | Lopeppeppy: maybe I do! |
| 19:13.31 | kamdis | Esamynn++ for don't Feed the Trolls sign ASCII art. |
| 19:13.50 | Esamynn | kamdis: not my idea, but I did "draw" it on the spot :) |
| 19:14.05 | kamdis | it was loverly :) |
| 19:15.04 | Esamynn | you're welcome :) |
| 19:15.26 | Duman | whee |
| 19:15.55 | End | oh cool |
| 19:15.58 | Sixen | ohai |
| 19:16.06 | End | I'm only 28 short for kalimdor now |
| 19:16.10 | Esamynn | kamdis: that troll scored about a 6/10 for effort, but 0/10 for originality :/ |
| 19:16.17 | End | still no idea where I'm gonna get those from though |
| 19:16.43 | Esamynn | god |
| 19:17.05 | Esamynn | achievements are even active yet, and they're already a HUGE time sink :P |
| 19:17.14 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap End |
| 19:17.15 | purl | ACTION beats End upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:17.20 | End | :P |
| 19:17.22 | Esamynn | come to your senses :P |
| 19:18.05 | kamdis | I'm not convinced it was a troll. |
| 19:18.08 | End | aside from running around on beta to see what I'm missing via low level tracker, I don't think there's anything I can do |
| 19:18.12 | kamdis | Some people are just dumb like that. |
| 19:18.12 | Esamynn | kamdis: I am |
| 19:18.22 | kamdis | You're probably right. |
| 19:18.32 | kamdis | I am that gullible. |
| 19:18.48 | End | I think the only quests I AM missing are raid based quests and the like |
| 19:18.52 | Esamynn | kamdis: a week from starting the game, to getting the ban, bull F**King shit |
| 19:19.03 | kamdis | true |
| 19:19.06 | kamdis | excellent point |
| 19:19.15 | End | WTB broodlayer lashlayer's head! |
| 19:19.15 | kamdis | being banned 10 min after an addon DL too |
| 19:19.24 | kamdis | definite lie |
| 19:19.54 | Esamynn | I could have believed he was just stupid and the victim of a joke, if he hadn't claimed to live with the person who "got banned" |
| 19:21.09 | Neuro_Medivh | Which board was this on? |
| 19:22.57 | Esamynn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532274562&sid=1 |
| 19:25.17 | Lunessa | Kirkburn|afk: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532264187&sid=1 |
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| 19:28.10 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 19:30.05 | Lunessa | ... Neuro_Medivh - lawl |
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| 19:33.50 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa: is that in response to my troll? |
| 19:33.57 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 19:34.16 | Lunessa | I literally laughed out loud in my office. |
| 19:37.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Lunessa, I'm going to assume you didn't mean me? :) |
| 19:37.42 | Lunessa | Kirkburn|afk: I linked a thred about Ace Forums e-mail for you. Was I in error? |
| 19:37.57 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm nothing to do with the WoWAce forums :P |
| 19:38.18 | Kirkburn|afk | WoWWiki, ClearFont and Wikia, that's me :) |
| 19:38.36 | Josh_Borke | tell them to join irc |
| 19:39.06 | Thunder_Child | damit ScytheBlade1, you still have that damn sig on |
| 19:43.15 | End | Thunder_Child: You don't know how to play. |
| 19:43.34 | Thunder_Child | End: LIES! |
| 19:43.54 | End | Hey, I'm no AddOn, but even I can tell that |
| 19:45.00 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: ROFLMAO!!! |
| 19:50.00 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa, how's the home saga btw? Got power back? |
| 19:50.15 | Lunessa | http://mconverse.livejournal.com/ |
| 19:50.37 | Lunessa | Full story there. |
| 19:51.03 | Lunessa | TL;DR version. I'm fine. House mostly fine. Island not fine. |
| 19:51.40 | Neuro_Medivh | awesome, great to hear |
| 19:51.44 | Thunder_Child | whats the curfew for? |
| 19:51.56 | kd3 | looting. safety |
| 19:51.57 | Lopeppeppy | Prevent violence/looting/evil heinous stuff. |
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| 19:52.03 | kd3 | lines are probably still down somewhere |
| 19:52.26 | Lunessa | Because Island NOT fine. No traffic lights, no street lights, debris everywhere, nefarious activity curtailed. |
| 19:52.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: good. |
| 19:52.50 | Neuro_Medivh | at least the C.H.U.D.s are not out |
| 19:53.15 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: I must kill you now for bringing up one of the worst movies ever made. |
| 19:54.13 | Lunessa | and my little sister watched it over, and over, and over, and over... |
| 19:54.26 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
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| 19:56.35 | Kolie | Where are my prerelease testers :) http://mediabeta.curse.com/CurseClient/CurseSetup-2.0.0.13.exe |
| 19:57.00 | sb | changelog? |
| 19:57.01 | sb | :) |
| 19:57.13 | Mikk | He doesn't want you to see "* Added keylogger" |
| 19:57.17 | Neuro_Medivh | u no log mah keys! |
| 19:57.19 | Mikk | </conspiracy theorist> |
| 19:57.19 | Mikk | ! |
| 19:57.29 | Kolie | Changelog... hmm let me check |
| 19:57.40 | Mikk | (Kidding, Kolie... i'm just echoing the knuckleheads in the threads ;)) |
| 19:57.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ "* Added Keylogger" |
| 19:57.45 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 19:58.20 | Kolie | I altered how the updater wrks, it wasnt, for some. |
| 19:58.21 | Neuro_Medivh | why do people make a run on banks? WaMu failed because everyone panicked to get their money out, which is silly |
| 19:58.28 | Kolie | Added a new curse client changelog things. |
| 19:58.42 | Kolie | added some logging to the oackagemanager() |
| 19:58.55 | Kolie | Fixed a ghosting glitch with the changelog viewer for addons. |
| 19:59.14 | Kolie | Oh and a test for updating -updatetest as the only runtime arg. |
| 19:59.36 | sb | "Welcome to the Curse Client Premium Preview!" |
| 19:59.38 | sb | ohhhh :p |
| 19:59.58 | Neuro_Medivh | gotta love that word "Premium" |
| 20:00.30 | sb | # Quarterly - $6.99 (2.33 per month) mhhhh |
| 20:00.37 | Neuro_Medivh | random Lopeppeppy is random |
| 20:00.49 | Kolie | ~emulate Lopeppeppy |
| 20:01.02 | sb | Kaelten! :p |
| 20:01.07 | Dashkal | Lunessa: thanks for the link. Glad to know things are doing 'well'. |
| 20:01.34 | Kaelten | BURN! |
| 20:01.38 | Kaelten | I mean, whats up mate? |
| 20:01.50 | Neuro_Medivh | could have been worse... could have been a homicidal hobo living in his house |
| 20:01.57 | Lunessa | what I need now is internet access, more bottled water, MREs and payday. |
| 20:02.10 | sb | so thats 0.8 eur / month |
| 20:02.17 | sb | mhhh no problem at all ;) |
| 20:02.17 | Dashkal | MRE? |
| 20:02.22 | Neuro_Medivh | sb: don't forget VAT |
| 20:02.25 | sb | oh... |
| 20:02.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Meals Ready to Eat |
| 20:02.31 | Dashkal | ahh |
| 20:02.35 | Dashkal | yeah, important stuff |
| 20:02.46 | Kaelten | sb: .8 euro a month? lol |
| 20:02.47 | Kaelten | nice |
| 20:02.50 | Kaelten | :) |
| 20:03.10 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: You forget - it means the bank didn't have enough cash oh hand to cover operations + demands. There hasn't yet been a run on banks. |
| 20:03.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa: reading this report about WaMu failing due to a run on their accounts in the last week |
| 20:03.46 | Neuro_Medivh | which is silly, because all accounts are insured |
| 20:03.54 | Lunessa | ooo.... I didn't see the report of a run. |
| 20:03.59 | Quaiche|work | Fear makes people irrational |
| 20:04.10 | sb | okay, its 0.95 eur in germany... including 19% VAT *sigh* |
| 20:04.11 | Neuro_Medivh | http://www.yahoo.com/s/960328 |
| 20:04.22 | Lunessa | And the insurance is not all inclusive and people can be unisured in some cases. |
| 20:04.41 | Kaelten | sb: I just checked and I don't think we're charging VAT |
| 20:05.03 | Kaelten | that may change, but I don't think we will be taking it out on top or anything |
| 20:05.04 | sb | i think you have to |
| 20:05.05 | Josh_Borke | agreed with lunessa |
| 20:05.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa, all accounts are insured by FDIC up to 100k |
| 20:05.20 | Josh_Borke | different types of accounts are insured differently |
| 20:05.20 | sb | Kaelten: at least WWS has to... |
| 20:05.22 | Neuro_Medivh | that's like guaranteed |
| 20:05.28 | Kaelten | WWS? |
| 20:05.32 | Neuro_Medivh | Josh: refering to personal accounts |
| 20:05.43 | Neuro_Medivh | which make up the backbone of all commercial banks |
| 20:05.51 | sb | Kaelten: wow webstats |
| 20:05.55 | Lunessa | Yes. But it is possible to have enough assets in a bank to lose money over the $100K cap. |
| 20:06.01 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 20:06.27 | Lunessa | Especially if the accounts are not set up correctly. Many consumers with large asset sets make that mistake. |
| 20:06.30 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, true, but IIRC almost 98% of all accounts are under the insurance cap |
| 20:06.41 | sb | they had some forum post about VAT blahblah we have to do this.. etc. |
| 20:06.57 | Neuro_Medivh | most people with more cash than that keep it in money market accounts, or other investments |
| 20:06.58 | sb | but that post is gone now, forum cleanup :/ |
| 20:07.24 | Kaelten | interesting |
| 20:07.28 | Neuro_Medivh | point being, unless you have +100k in the bank, no need to pull the cash out |
| 20:07.28 | Kaelten | like I said may change |
| 20:07.38 | Kaelten | but at the moment its how it stands |
| 20:07.56 | sb | Kolie: uhm - could you add some "version number" (installed / latest) to that "installed addons" table view? |
| 20:09.47 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.30.131) |
| 20:09.47 | sb | "date" is useless if multiple files are released in one day |
| 20:11.00 | sb | i really dont care when i installed some addon (not in that table view) - but i want to know what version i got and what version is available for download :) |
| 20:11.57 | sb | Kolie? :) |
| 20:12.14 | Kolie | Its in the bottom display. |
| 20:12.28 | sb | yes i know |
| 20:12.30 | Kolie | Ill look at adding it elsewhere. |
| 20:12.55 | Kolie | But there really isnt alot of room for yet another column, and that one is a medium sized one. |
| 20:12.57 | sb | but i'd be more happy to see those dates only in the bottom display |
| 20:13.12 | sb | to have version numbers in the table instead |
| 20:13.13 | Kolie | Then you couldnt sort by them |
| 20:13.17 | Kolie | Which is why they are up there really. |
| 20:13.23 | sb | mhhhh |
| 20:13.39 | sb | but "Date (Version)" would work :p |
| 20:13.51 | sb | doesnt affect sorting but adds some more information |
| 20:14.00 | Kolie | have you seen how long some of the version strings are :) |
| 20:14.12 | Kolie | Adding it to an existing column, much easier. |
| 20:14.30 | sb | but its 2 versions :) |
| 20:14.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Esamynn, is rev91 still the most recent Astrolabe? |
| 20:14.41 | sb | to compare installed version vs. available version |
| 20:15.24 | Kolie | Look at ragnarok online style combat text's version information for warhammer |
| 20:15.30 | Kolie | Theres more then a handful like that. |
| 20:16.14 | sb | uh.... |
| 20:17.16 | sb | so i guess there are no naming conventions for version strings on new curse :) |
| 20:17.35 | sb | meh okay, i got your point here ;) |
| 20:17.39 | Kolie | Nope, which is exactly why I don't display it now, well a prominent reason atleast. |
| 20:17.55 | Kolie | I would find it useful myself. |
| 20:18.02 | Kolie | But alot of them are 20+ characters. |
| 20:18.09 | Kolie | It would make things a mess. |
| 20:18.19 | sb | why cant people just use "major.minor.build" version styles :) |
| 20:18.43 | sb | built... |
| 20:20.10 | sb | Kolie: mhh... |
| 20:20.23 | sb | you could add time to that date string instead... |
| 20:20.57 | sb | HH:mms |
| 20:21.30 | sb | but i have no idea what happens with different timezones then (guess installed is "client time" and latest is "server time"?) |
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| 20:30.17 | Thunder_Child | i dont think they should have let on that antispore was a giant joke |
| 20:30.23 | Thunder_Child | it was rather amusing |
| 20:31.20 | Industrial | I think spore is less amusing then flash games |
| 20:31.37 | Thunder_Child | i think YOU are less amusing than flash games |
| 20:31.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i think your MOM is less amusing than flash games |
| 20:31.51 | sb | mhhm flash games |
| 20:31.59 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, agreed |
| 20:34.21 | Thunder_Child | WTF, how is GTA more expensive than any of the other GTA's |
| 20:34.45 | Thunder_Child | except GTAII for some reason...... |
| 20:35.23 | Corrodias | the original? GTA 1? |
| 20:35.28 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 20:35.35 | Thunder_Child | http://store.steampowered.com/publisher/Rockstar%20Games/ |
| 20:35.40 | Corrodias | i think 2 was my favorite for attitude, but i never played 1 |
| 20:35.51 | Thunder_Child | thats just retarded pricing |
| 20:36.19 | NightHawkTheSane | this icon amuses me: http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/60692588/1899697 |
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| 20:52.31 | Arrowmaster | so my headset just broke, anybody have any recomendations on good headsets? |
| 20:52.51 | batrick | yes |
| 20:53.24 | batrick | incoming giant costco link: |
| 20:53.26 | batrick | http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11291536&search=headphones&Mo=7&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Sp=S&N=5000043&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=headphones&Ntt=headphones&No=3&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1 |
| 20:53.32 | batrick | wow i bet that didn't git |
| 20:53.33 | batrick | fit* |
| 20:53.35 | Anaral | When it comes to corded mouse and keyboard, PS/2, USB, or no difference? |
| 20:53.35 | Dashkal | Any logitech. Cheap, reasonably durable. Does the job. Just don't expect bose level quality |
| 20:54.10 | batrick | arrowmaster, search costco for headphones and the look at the Tritton one |
| 20:54.13 | batrick | I just got it and I love it |
| 20:54.20 | Arrowmaster | the link worked |
| 20:54.23 | batrick | ok |
| 20:54.45 | batrick | that is if you willing to spend a little extra for quality |
| 20:55.08 | batrick | I particularly like that if you pull too hard on the cord for whatever reason, it just separatees from the connectors really easy |
| 20:55.42 | Arrowmaster | i actually wasnt even using the speakers in my old headset and was using my suround sound system |
| 20:56.53 | Arrowmaster | back to ram racing |
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| 21:01.55 | Fogger | Well, this seems to be working exactly as expected, any suggestions for improving efficiency? http://pastey.net/96791 |
| 21:02.12 | Josh_Borke | yea, it won't work come 3.0 |
| 21:02.59 | Josh_Borke | change line 13 to be: f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(f, event, arg1, ...) |
| 21:03.15 | foxlit | meh, what are you doing? |
| 21:03.22 | foxlit | Tracking when someone gains and loses bloodboil? |
| 21:03.23 | Fogger | I am testing on beta, this something thats going to change? |
| 21:03.46 | Dewin | Between PTR and WOTLK I don't think so... |
| 21:03.53 | Dewin | but i's still probably safer. |
| 21:04.44 | foxlit | You really should be looking at combat log aura events, not UNIT_AURA |
| 21:05.04 | Fogger | yeah, its pretty stupid, but I'd rather keep full focus on healing that keep checking debuffs, though, it is pretty rare that I should get any, I'd still rather know :) |
| 21:06.12 | foxlit | No, I mean to figure out when someone gains or loses bloodboil |
| 21:06.13 | foxlit | You obviously wouldn't want to actually be watching the combat log while in combat :) |
| 21:07.16 | Fogger | so u saying combat log > UNIT_AURA |
| 21:07.29 | batrick | wow... so I close a window and all of a sudden metalocolypse starts blasting for 5 seconds and turns off... |
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| 21:07.47 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out of here. Going to drive home and stand in the relief line for bottled water and MREs. See you guys on Monday (or sooner if I get internet access.) |
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| 21:07.59 | foxlit | Yes. It's much easier to interpret combat log events for what you're doing than it is to do something on UNIT_AURA |
| 21:08.55 | Fogger | is there a performance hit to doing it this way, cos it seems to be working great |
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| 21:10.09 | NightHawkTheSane | is there a performance hit on iterating over every buff on UNIT_AURA over using a single event that tells you exactly when the specific debuff you want is gained/lost by a unit? maybe.. |
| 21:11.05 | foxlit | But is it greater than the performance hit for a function call on every CL event? <3 |
| 21:11.24 | foxlit | Anyway, performance wise, it probably doesn't matter. |
| 21:11.49 | foxlit | However, the logic part of your code can be reduced to something like 5 lines by using COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED. |
| 21:11.53 | Fogger | well, it only iterates through debuffs, which would be about 1 or 2 anyway, then breaks, but yeah, 1 is better than 2 |
| 21:12.12 | Arrowmaster | yes since UNIT_AURA is fired on every buff/debuff gain/loss for every raid member |
| 21:12.17 | Arrowmaster | and twice for every party member |
| 21:12.18 | foxlit | It'll also be easier, it won't get confused if it encounters another Bloodboil debuff, and it'd be easier to read. |
| 21:12.22 | Fogger | oh the UNIT_AURA fires on every buff |
| 21:12.40 | NightHawkTheSane | unit_aura fires for every raid member any time any of their auras change, at all. |
| 21:13.18 | Arrowmaster | CLEU fires a lot too but its far easyer to work with and make it stop processing unless its the event your actually interested in |
| 21:13.37 | Cairenn | cladhaire: >< |
| 21:13.41 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:13.45 | cladhaire | ^^ |
| 21:13.49 | NightHawkTheSane | what foxlit said is the heart of it really, using combat log events makes the code easier to maintain and understand |
| 21:13.49 | Cairenn | no hugs, all killing! |
| 21:15.15 | Fogger | thanks, I'll get on that, always was in the end really, I just wanted to finish this example first, for learning value. |
| 21:15.51 | Dewin | Cairenn: With all the sharp pointy objects on most people's armor, a hug might very well be killing. |
| 21:16.15 | NightHawkTheSane | my armor is covered with teddy bears and chocolate. |
| 21:16.17 | Fogger | I am a bit afraid of messing with combat log tho, seems if I have it on anything other than "What happened to me?" the lag is unbarable in raid |
| 21:16.36 | foxlit | Oh, but it doesn't really matter what you have it on |
| 21:16.51 | foxlit | The lag you experience stems more from the scroll frame / text parsing. |
| 21:16.54 | NightHawkTheSane | what filter your in-game combat log window is set to is irrelevant |
| 21:16.55 | Fogger | yeah, I just mean the general strain the combat log puts on my system |
| 21:17.04 | Josh_Borke | Fogger: there is a COMBAT_LOG event that operates regardless of combat log window you have |
| 21:17.14 | foxlit | CLEU fires just the same regardless of what your filters are set to. |
| 21:17.15 | Josh_Borke | Fogger: ie, the event gets fired no matter what you do |
| 21:17.18 | Dewin | COMBAT_LOG_UPDATE and COMBAT_LOG_UPDATE_UNFILTERED no? |
| 21:17.36 | foxlit | I was under the impression it's EVENT not UPDATE |
| 21:17.37 | kneeki | Fogger: Have you tried disabling all other addons? |
| 21:17.42 | Dewin | oh maybe it's event |
| 21:17.47 | Dewin | I don't have this stuff memorzied yet ;) |
| 21:18.14 | Fogger | kneeki: I've reduced to the abolute bare essentials, healbot, decursive etc |
| 21:18.15 | Dolby | "Cairenn: I'm just trying to hire a hitman" |
| 21:18.17 | Dewin | At the moment I'm busy trying to make gsub do what I want it to. |
| 21:18.29 | Dolby | :( |
| 21:18.42 | [Liquidor] | Can I add in too? Fogger, the combat_log events fire no matter what your window settings are set to |
| 21:18.44 | foxlit | ooh, patterns. Me like! |
| 21:18.58 | Fogger | [Liquidor]: yeah, I got that, cheers :) |
| 21:19.05 | Dewin | foxlit: What I really want is PHP's strtr() >.> |
| 21:19.10 | Neuro_Medivh | Dolby: How much is the contract for? |
| 21:19.25 | Dolby | no no Cairenn is trying |
| 21:19.30 | Dolby | so she can kill me :( |
| 21:19.38 | Neuro_Medivh | Cairenn: How much you offering? |
| 21:19.39 | Cairenn | much killing of the Dolby |
| 21:19.41 | foxlit | Dewin: php's string functions are evil; give a short code example |
| 21:19.44 | Cairenn | hugs |
| 21:19.57 | Neuro_Medivh | how many hugs? |
| 21:19.59 | KarlKFI | why does she want to kill you? |
| 21:19.59 | Cairenn | lots |
| 21:20.02 | Cairenn | NO |
| 21:20.03 | Dewin | foxlit: I have a table of t["replacethis"] = "withthis" |
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| 21:20.14 | Cairenn | it doesn't matter WHY, just kill him! |
| 21:20.22 | Dewin | replacethis is not a pattern, it's just a simple text string |
| 21:20.28 | foxlit | Constraints on "replacethis"? |
| 21:20.32 | Neuro_Medivh | ~lart Dolby |
| 21:20.33 | purl | forces Dolby to use Outlook Express |
| 21:20.38 | KarlKFI | i'm a sensitive assassin. you have to appeal to my reason |
| 21:20.40 | Dewin | foxlit: sec |
| 21:20.40 | foxlit | Single word? All alphabetic? |
| 21:20.51 | foxlit | point is, you have to do something like |
| 21:21.01 | foxlit | string:gsub(patternToCatchAllKeys, t) |
| 21:21.07 | KarlKFI | rofl Outlook Express |
| 21:21.12 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96792 |
| 21:21.12 | foxlit | s/string/str/ |
| 21:21.22 | KarlKFI | almost as bad as Eudora |
| 21:21.31 | foxlit | str:gsub("%%%a", replacements) |
| 21:21.31 | Dewin | What happens if the pattern catches things that aren't keys? |
| 21:21.48 | Dewin | i.e. %Q or something else not in my table |
| 21:21.55 | foxlit | If your table lookup returns nil, nothing happens |
| 21:22.01 | Dewin | Okay, docs weren't clear ;) |
| 21:22.08 | foxlit | Oh? :) |
| 21:22.41 | Dewin | oh |
| 21:22.43 | Dewin | I missed it, that's why ;) |
| 21:22.55 | foxlit | lua> t,s = {["%f"] = "foo", ["%b"] = "bar"}, "%f%Q%b%%b"; print(s:gsub("%%%a",t)) |
| 21:22.55 | lua_bot | foxlit: foo%Qbar%bar, 4 |
| 21:22.58 | Dewin | "If the value returned by the table query or by the function call is a string or a number, then it is used as the replacement string; otherwise, if it is false or nil, then there is no replacement (that is, the original match is kept in the string). " |
| 21:23.07 | Dewin | Didn't see that. I just read two sentences up where it talks about tables. |
| 21:23.29 | Dewin | and I agree that PHP = evil |
| 21:23.31 | foxlit | If you wanted more flexibility, you can use the __index metahandler, or even pass it a function |
| 21:24.20 | Dewin | foxlit: I work with PHP for a living and constantly find little stupid annoyances in it |
| 21:24.39 | Dolby | since I'm gonna die anyways... http://www.mmoui.com/shirts/cfm.jpg (my shirt for blizzcon) |
| 21:24.39 | Dewin | I think I'm entitled to call it evil. |
| 21:24.39 | [Liquidor] | PHP is fine. L2P |
| 21:24.42 | Cairenn | keylogger! |
| 21:24.44 | foxlit | L2C! |
| 21:24.44 | kamdis | Anyone know who Defaultui is on the wow forums? |
| 21:24.48 | kneeki | Dolby: That's epic |
| 21:24.52 | foxlit | l2l2p, in fact! |
| 21:25.02 | Dewin | actually, half the problem with PHP is 95% of PHP programmers... aren't |
| 21:25.14 | kamdis | Dolby: that's hawt |
| 21:25.28 | batrick | does anyone know why ls would highlight a file in green? |
| 21:25.33 | Dewin | executable? |
| 21:25.37 | foxlit | Executable. |
| 21:25.38 | NeoTron | the other half is that 95% of the PHP language and plugin designers... aren't |
| 21:25.43 | batrick | no, that's green text |
| 21:25.46 | batrick | im talking about highlight |
| 21:25.51 | Dewin | setuid |
| 21:25.52 | Dewin | or setgid |
| 21:25.53 | Dewin | I think |
| 21:26.11 | foxlit | I'll agree with that. There are some consistency issues in the built-in functions, too, but that's not a major annoyance |
| 21:26.12 | Dewin | depending on your ls implementation and LS_COLORS setting and the current moon phase. |
| 21:26.26 | Duman | green normally means it's executable |
| 21:26.35 | Dewin | Duman: He's talking about green background, not green text. |
| 21:26.38 | batrick | i have directories highlighted in green |
| 21:26.38 | Duman | oh |
| 21:26.43 | Cairenn | zomg, how am I just now finding out that they finally disbarred this asshole? http://kotaku.com/5054801/thompson-responds-to-disbarment |
| 21:26.46 | batrick | i'm trying to figure out why |
| 21:26.47 | kd3 | that means they're world-writable |
| 21:26.49 | Duman | do an ls -l on it and cut/paste it here |
| 21:26.53 | kd3 | chmod o-w |
| 21:27.11 | kneeki | Cairenn: lol |
| 21:27.13 | batrick | ah, thank you kd3 |
| 21:27.36 | Dashkal | Cairenn: *blinks* been busy? |
| 21:27.40 | Duman | weird, my color ls doesn't do that |
| 21:27.50 | kd3 | depends on the distro |
| 21:27.56 | kd3 | fedora only just recently started doing that |
| 21:28.01 | Dashkal | Now all we have to do is wait a couple months for them to shoot down his appeal |
| 21:28.04 | Duman | 666 shows just normal (grey) and 777 is green (executable) |
| 21:28.15 | Duman | 222 is also grey |
| 21:28.54 | Dashkal | batrick: I suspect it's got a special bit set (maybe group sticky?) |
| 21:29.09 | batrick | Dashkal: 15:38:11 < kd3> that means they're world-writable |
| 21:29.11 | batrick | :) |
| 21:29.13 | Duman | I get a yellow background for setGid... red for setUid |
| 21:29.27 | Duman | ahh well, maybe my shit is an old distro :) |
| 21:29.35 | Dashkal | ahh |
| 21:29.38 | batrick | i have ubuntu 8.04 |
| 21:29.38 | Dashkal | missed that response |
| 21:30.14 | Dewin | time to go blow this up. |
| 21:30.33 | Dewin | if the PTR client launches |
| 21:30.39 | Duman | heh |
| 21:31.06 | kneeki | batrick: Has WoW enabled hardware cursor using Wine yet? |
| 21:31.15 | batrick | dunno |
| 21:31.18 | batrick | kd3 might know |
| 21:31.29 | kneeki | I cannot play WoW on 'nix w/o hardware cursor. =( |
| 21:35.08 | Sixen | I'm so tempted to try and create a DOS game and call it WoW:Molten Core... |
| 21:36.31 | Sixen | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/moltencore/ |
| 21:36.38 | Dashkal | Sixen: those graphics looked pretty much on par for the old apple ][ |
| 21:37.09 | Sixen | Heheheh, ;) |
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| 21:37.33 | Tem|work | Nerd Rage INC |
| 21:37.58 | cbreak | bad... |
| 21:38.00 | Sixen | ohai |
| 21:38.04 | cbreak | it should be more like angband |
| 21:39.27 | Dashkal | I don't think I have ever finished any of that sort of game |
| 21:39.58 | cbreak | I tried to finish scthangband... it's hard... didn't manage. :( |
| 21:40.33 | Dashkal | I kept getting annihilated by explosive breeders. |
| 21:40.45 | wereHamster | kneeki: when using the d3d or opengl engine? |
| 21:41.05 | kneeki | wereHamster: openGL I think... Whatever default is |
| 21:41.11 | Tem|work | Okay |
| 21:41.15 | Tem|work | who in here is Ratri |
| 21:41.18 | wereHamster | IIRC hardware cursor is only possible with d3d |
| 21:41.19 | Tem|work | I know you're here |
| 21:41.29 | Tem|work | kamdis: ? |
| 21:41.50 | Dashkal | wow defaults to d3d. It'll even run (poorly) in d3d under linux. opengl is significantly faster, though |
| 21:42.04 | wereHamster | kneeki: default is d3d, if you want opengl you have to enable it (through config.wtf or commandline) |
| 21:42.24 | kneeki | wereHamster: Ah, I think I may have switched over to OpenGL due to poor FPS |
| 21:43.27 | wereHamster | it is possible to have h/w cursor with opengl, but blizzard simply didn't implement it. When I suggested it they said 'maybe later' |
| 21:43.41 | kneeki | ah |
| 21:43.49 | Tem|work | kamdis: pingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpignpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingpingping |
| 21:43.54 | Tem|work | hee that's fun to type |
| 21:44.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:44.09 | Tem|work | 432-2 |
| 21:45.09 | cbreak | weird, I use HW cursor in OpenGL mode |
| 21:45.13 | cbreak | maybe that only works on OS X |
| 21:45.23 | cbreak | or it claims to be HW cursor and is not |
| 21:45.57 | End | dunno, can't use HW cursor in OpenGL mode on the PC client though |
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| 21:48.46 | Atriace | I'm drawing a blank... is "this" still valid in WoW? |
| 21:48.57 | wereHamster | cbreak: the problem is that opengl itself doesn't have functions for accessing cursors, so in opengl mode WoW would have to set the cursor through win32 functions |
| 21:49.24 | cbreak | hmm... ok. |
| 21:49.26 | wereHamster | not that hard to do, IMHO, but probably a low priority for blizzard |
| 21:52.08 | Arrowmaster | bastards somebody beat my bejeweled classic score |
| 21:52.28 | cbreak | is the protocol protected? :) |
| 21:52.31 | Arrowmaster | now should i edit my saved var and make it so they can never beat my score or just go play and beat it |
| 21:52.52 | Arrowmaster | no its a simple table in the saved var |
| 21:52.55 | Arrowmaster | easy to edit |
| 21:53.47 | Dewin | hmm... my frame seems to be missing. |
| 21:53.49 | Arrowmaster | they havent come close to my 337.48 PPM timed score |
| 21:53.53 | Arrowmaster | hahaha |
| 21:54.07 | Arrowmaster | 220.74 is next highest |
| 21:54.25 | kd3 | jesus. what an insane spellstealable buff |
| 21:54.32 | Tem|work | kd3: ?? |
| 21:54.40 | Tem|work | link me! |
| 21:54.51 | kd3 | "Metatonia: Increases crit damage received and dealt by 50%. Increases the casters chance to critical strike by 25%." |
| 21:54.56 | kd3 | 8k crits + ignite ticks: hot |
| 21:55.09 | kneeki | Someone more knowledgeable than thou needs to write a tutorial at http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:HOWTOs on how to create interface options frames within the default WoW UI addon area |
| 21:55.10 | Tem|work | who is metatonia? |
| 21:55.21 | kd3 | that's the name of the buff |
| 21:55.26 | cladhaire | ours'll be posted within the next week or two, kneeki |
| 21:55.31 | cladhaire | as soon as I get a free moment to write it :P |
| 21:55.35 | kneeki | cladhaire: Woooooot!!! |
| 21:55.41 | Atriace | What is the normal gametooltip anchor parent and position? |
| 21:55.48 | cladhaire | but it won't be on wowwiki, lol |
| 21:55.55 | kneeki | cladhaire: I don't care where it is. :) |
| 21:55.56 | kd3 | metanoia* |
| 21:56.03 | Tem|work | Atriace: grep for GameTooltip_SetDefaultPosition |
| 21:56.06 | cladhaire | its really simple, but it's constantly asked for |
| 21:56.11 | Tem|work | or maybe it's SetDefaultAnchor |
| 21:56.13 | cladhaire | at the very least it'll be in my 3.0 roundup :P |
| 21:57.07 | Atriace | That it is (GameTooltip_SetDefaultAnchor(GameTooltip, UIParent);) thanks Tem. :) |
| 21:57.11 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: yay :_D |
| 21:57.15 | cladhaire | oro?. |
| 21:57.20 | Josh_Borke | that come as part of the book? :-D |
| 21:57.27 | Tem|work | kamdis: pingpingpingpingpingpignping |
| 21:57.28 | cladhaire | no, free on the website nublet. |
| 21:57.31 | Josh_Borke | interface options write-up |
| 21:57.40 | Josh_Borke | well yea, but i wouldn't have known the website without buying the book ;-P |
| 21:57.47 | bleeter | anyone know if there's an audio engine equivalent of gxrestart? |
| 21:57.52 | cladhaire | except by using google? |
| 21:57.57 | Josh_Borke | google is evil |
| 21:58.01 | Josh_Borke | i ask my friends everything |
| 21:58.12 | kd3 | wrath: /run AudioOptionsFrame_AudioRestart() live: /run AudioOptionsFrame_RestartEngine() |
| 21:58.27 | cladhaire | although our sitemap is borked at the moment |
| 21:58.29 | cladhaire | i should fix. |
| 21:58.34 | bleeter | kd3: thanks mate :) |
| 21:58.43 | kd3 | np |
| 21:58.52 | bleeter | no wonder I couldn't find it, wasn't looking at the API was looking for /console foo heh |
| 21:59.30 | kamdis | hi Tem |
| 21:59.58 | kamdis | I see you |
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| 22:00.59 | Tem|work | kamdis: are you Ratri? |
| 22:01.03 | kamdis | aye |
| 22:01.09 | Tem|work | <- Legato |
| 22:01.18 | kamdis | I figured with all the pinging |
| 22:01.21 | kamdis | once i saw the post |
| 22:01.23 | Tem|work | =P |
| 22:01.34 | Tem|work | I want to punch that murmur DK |
| 22:01.36 | Tem|work | _hard_ |
| 22:01.58 | kamdis | I'd settle for using the enter key and punctuation. |
| 22:02.05 | kamdis | But yeah. |
| 22:02.06 | Tem|work | heh |
| 22:02.47 | Tem|work | *headscratch* |
| 22:03.00 | Tem|work | check Overdose's latest post |
| 22:04.18 | kamdis | ha |
| 22:05.25 | kamdis | I guess maybe he thought you were saying "we can't tank stuff with immunities" rather than "we can't tank stuff reasonably ..."? |
| 22:05.35 | kamdis | or he just wants to be paid attention to and quoted him |
| 22:06.07 | kamdis | random aww photos http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/divinityinfinity/1191340508574.jpg |
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| 22:06.52 | Dewin | So... frame:IsVisible() and frame:IsShown() both return true, and it has a height/width/left/right/top/bottom, is anchored to the middle of UIParent, and as far as I can tell has a 100% alpha. So why can't I see it? |
| 22:07.17 | Josh_Borke | did you set any visible elements on it? |
| 22:07.27 | Dewin | it's a StatusBar frame. |
| 22:07.35 | foxlit | kamdis: I see they left out the one where the polar bear eats the wolf |
| 22:07.50 | Josh_Borke | Dewin: did you inherit or set any visible elements on it? |
| 22:08.20 | Josh_Borke | http://notalwaysright.com/ill-take-a-double-entendre-with-a-side-of-innuendo/443 |
| 22:08.26 | Josh_Borke | i really like that one for some reason |
| 22:08.32 | kamdis | foxlit: don't busrt my cuteness bubble kthx |
| 22:08.36 | Dewin | Josh_Borke: The frame isn't supposed to have any visible elements besides itself, it's just a simple StatusBar frame |
| 22:08.50 | Josh_Borke | Dewin: how will you know if you can see it if it doesn't have a visible element? |
| 22:10.02 | Dewin | Josh_Borker: It's (loosely) created with f = CreateFrame('StatusBar') ... set colors ... f:SetValue(somevalue); |
| 22:10.24 | Tem|work | kamdis: I'd like to see what the context was for those pictures |
| 22:10.49 | Josh_Borke | Dewin: pastey the code |
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| 22:11.02 | Dewin | It's long and atrocious, I'll try to summarize on the pastey ;) |
| 22:11.11 | kamdis | Tem|work I have no idea, was a random link from someone. |
| 22:11.13 | Josh_Borke | just pastey it all, we can decipher |
| 22:11.46 | kamdis | Maybe the humans who keeps the dog (i think it's a dog, not a wolf) puts out food for the bear too? |
| 22:11.49 | Dewin | yeah... it's not like the code is supersecret, it'll be released anyways ;) |
| 22:12.12 | Josh_Borke | Dewin: also, you can use devtools' dtframestack to see if you can locate your frame on screen |
| 22:12.18 | Josh_Borke | it gives you a list of frames beneath the cursor |
| 22:12.21 | kamdis | Man, people on the DK forum have become snotty jerks, myself included sometimes. |
| 22:13.18 | Dewin | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96801. |
| 22:13.22 | kamdis | :( |
| 22:13.31 | Dewin | It's not named, but I confirmed that it is where I think it is... just strangely invisible |
| 22:13.37 | kneeki | kamdis: WoW has DK forums now? |
| 22:13.47 | kamdis | beta DK forum |
| 22:14.01 | kamdis | here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=7572246&sid=2000 |
| 22:14.30 | Dewin | Relevant is PXPBar.New, PXPBar.Update* and such |
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| 22:14.33 | Josh_Borke | Dewin: right, so you created a texture but you didn't give it a color nor set any points to it |
| 22:15.13 | Josh_Borke | man, i'm gonna have to look up my old code |
| 22:15.19 | Josh_Borke | i don't wanna |
| 22:15.23 | Josh_Borke | in fact, i'm gonna go home |
| 22:15.28 | Dewin | the setallpoints is probably what's missing |
| 22:15.28 | Josh_Borke | i'll try to help later :-D |
| 22:15.32 | Dewin | self.backgroundTexture:SetTexture(r, color.r, color.g, color.b, color.a) sets the color |
| 22:15.43 | Josh_Borke | pyea, you need to set the points of the texture too |
| 22:16.03 | Dewin | yup, I didn't realize that was missing... let me see if that fixes it. |
| 22:16.41 | Dewin | hmm still nothing, but that's at least one bug squashed >.> |
| 22:16.46 | Dewin | thanks |
| 22:16.54 | Josh_Borke | np, good luck |
| 22:16.56 | Josh_Borke | you'll get it |
| 22:17.01 | Josh_Borke | i seriously recommend devtools |
| 22:17.09 | ccox|afk | ~devtools |
| 22:17.09 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 22:17.15 | Josh_Borke | i actually found that devtools+wowlua made it much easier for me to debug my frame visibility problems |
| 22:17.19 | Dashkal | This is something I wish I could get away with: http://notalwaysright.com/if-nincompoop-then-infinite-loop/579 |
| 22:17.30 | Dewin | I'm using devtools atm |
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| 22:17.31 | Josh_Borke | because i could find the frame and then modify it without reloading wow |
| 22:18.53 | Tem|work | kamdis: I like being a snotty jerk to murmur DKs who think they know more about the class than I do. |
| 22:19.21 | Dewin | is there something more I need to do to get a simple solid color texture besides texture:SetTexture(r,g,b,a) ? |
| 22:19.36 | foxlit | anchor it |
| 22:19.37 | foxlit | size it |
| 22:19.52 | Dewin | SetAllPoints() accomplishes both of those, no? |
| 22:20.14 | foxlit | If the parent accomplishes both of those, sure. |
| 22:20.42 | Dewin | I can confirm that the parent is anchored (docs say GetLeft() will return nil if it's not, among other things) and has a size. |
| 22:21.00 | foxlit | (dumping :GetRect() would probably make it trivial) :) |
| 22:21.05 | Dashkal | I kinda wish it was impossible to post on a murmur toon... I know that would be bad but still... |
| 22:21.43 | Dewin | ... |
| 22:21.44 | foxlit | http://www.furutech.com/a2008/product2.asp?prodNo=308 << 1800$ :) |
| 22:21.50 | Dewin | it lies.. |
| 22:22.16 | foxlit | Lua, like the elves, does not lie. |
| 22:22.38 | Kirov | foxlit - only 1800?! What a steal! |
| 22:22.40 | foxlit | It simply relies on your misconceptions to prevent you from seeing the truth :) |
| 22:22.49 | Dewin | I got the impression that the order of SetAllPoints() and resizing etc did not matter... am I mistaken? |
| 22:23.31 | foxlit | Kirov: it has nano-sized ceramic particles! |
| 22:24.09 | foxlit | And it shields the conducting cable from alpha radiation |
| 22:24.37 | foxlit | (He++: the enemy of good sound everywhere) |
| 22:24.56 | Dashkal | My god, the power coming out of that cable will be exactly clean as what you get from the power grid! |
| 22:25.05 | Kirov | I remember someone reviewed a pair of cables like this, cut them open to see what was inside and found that they were completely truthful ... except that the actual power ran along a normal copper cable in the middle of the cable and the rest connected to nothing. |
| 22:25.31 | foxlit | I think it's the same company, actually |
| 22:25.54 | cbreak | Rhodium-Plated!? |
| 22:26.26 | ccox | I can't believe people fall for that |
| 22:26.53 | Kirov | My favorite is still the monster cable vs. radio shack cable that were really both just a metal clothes hanger. |
| 22:28.19 | Kirov | http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables |
| 22:28.36 | Dewin | I'm waiting for when they start selling printers for $10 with a $170 USB cable. |
| 22:30.07 | Dewin | Font Not Set ftl. My sample code that works doesn't have issues, blah |
| 22:30.29 | foxlit | always inherit from some virtual fontstring |
| 22:30.56 | Dewin | yeah.... I'm trying to figure out where in here that's done |
| 22:31.18 | kamdis | I love how when I post that I think an idea is the best one I've seen re: AMS I get flamed by multiple people, but when others post that it's a good idea they don't. GRR. |
| 22:31.33 | foxlit | AMS? |
| 22:31.47 | foxlit | Is the American Mathematical Society up to something again? |
| 22:32.22 | kamdis | Antimagic Shiled |
| 22:32.26 | kamdis | Shield* |
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| 22:34.02 | kamdis | It's not going to stay the way it is, Dashkal. At least, I'd be really surprised if it did. |
| 22:34.29 | Dashkal | kamdis: I sure hope not. There needs to be a better pvp balance... that was our go-to anti-caster-boss ability |
| 22:34.36 | kamdis | I think removing the CC immunity for a serious CD reduction is a great idea. Others apparently think I'm a moron. |
| 22:34.54 | Dashkal | kamdis: erm? cool idea. |
| 22:35.05 | kamdis | not to PvPers though. |
| 22:35.14 | kamdis | And I see their point I guess. |
| 22:35.31 | kamdis | But the magic damage reduction is still really good in pvp |
| 22:35.40 | Dashkal | Did they ever fix the chains/death grip bug? (Makes you arc over by way of the stars) |
| 22:35.57 | kamdis | don't know. |
| 22:38.18 | Tem|work | I dunno about the CC removal |
| 22:38.23 | Tekkub | man, just listening to FFXI music makes me miss the game |
| 22:38.26 | Tem|work | I've pvped like twice on my DK |
| 22:38.32 | Tem|work | once was a duel against a warlock |
| 22:38.34 | Tekkub | but I know trying to level would drive me away again |
| 22:38.47 | Tem|work | it went something like this: |
| 22:38.59 | Tem|work | Death Coil |
| 22:39.04 | Tem|work | Strangulate |
| 22:39.05 | Tekkub | you or him |
| 22:39.10 | Tem|work | him, sorry |
| 22:39.18 | Tem|work | I get in melee range |
| 22:39.26 | Tekkub | I was expecting this: |
| 22:39.26 | Tem|work | he starts winding up a fear |
| 22:39.28 | Tem|work | Mind freeze |
| 22:39.41 | Tem|work | he starts winding up another fear |
| 22:39.43 | Tem|work | AMS |
| 22:39.51 | Tekkub | "Him: Death Coil" "Me: Death Coil" "Him: Death Coil" "Me: Death Coil" "Him: Death Coil" "Me: Death Coil" "Him: Death Coil" "Me: Death Coil" |
| 22:39.54 | Tem|work | he starts winding up another fear |
| 22:40.01 | Tem|work | Lichborne |
| 22:40.14 | Tem|work | Legato has defeated <warlock> in a duel. |
| 22:40.34 | foxlit | Do CC effects you're immune to trigger the diminishing returns effect? |
| 22:40.41 | Tem|work | not sure |
| 22:40.44 | Tem|work | they might |
| 22:40.52 | Tem|work | that would kind of suck if it did |
| 22:40.55 | kamdis | i don't think so, but i'm not sure either |
| 22:40.56 | Tem|work | for the CCer, anyway |
| 22:41.04 | foxlit | Out of interest |
| 22:41.05 | cbreak | I read in a mage whine thread that they do |
| 22:41.09 | foxlit | Lichborne lasts forever. |
| 22:41.15 | cbreak | never verified though |
| 22:41.16 | Tekkub | you should have a death coil duel to see who's is stronger |
| 22:41.20 | Tem|work | 15s |
| 22:41.29 | Tem|work | which is pretty long for a few immunity |
| 22:41.31 | foxlit | So why not pop it and save yourself the trouble of wasting your Strangulate/MF cooldowns? |
| 22:41.49 | Tem|work | I'm not that good at pvp? |
| 22:41.56 | cbreak | no CC can beat Polymorph: Black Cat |
| 22:42.01 | Tem|work | but it opens us up to other fear effects |
| 22:42.11 | Tem|work | cbreak: Polymorph is the best heal in the game |
| 22:42.17 | Tem|work | esp with the glyph of polymorph |
| 22:42.21 | cbreak | I know. it rocks. and looks cute |
| 22:42.42 | foxlit | Tem|work: only from paladins, and if you're playing 2 on 1, you've lost anyway |
| 22:42.50 | Tem|work | true |
| 22:42.58 | Dashkal | Hey... that's how you fix mages! Allow them to poly allies! |
| 22:42.59 | Tem|work | other anti-undead stuff works on us too |
| 22:43.06 | Tem|work | there just isn't much of it |
| 22:43.15 | Tem|work | Dashkal: I'd love to |
| 22:43.24 | Tem|work | I |
| 22:43.33 | Tem|work | I'd poly my rogue in 2v2 for a heal, if I could |
| 22:43.35 | foxlit | I demand Mass Polymorph: Allies |
| 22:43.45 | foxlit | 25 pigs vs Brutallus would be so interesting! |
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| 22:44.03 | Tem|work | foxlit: lol |
| 22:44.45 | cladhaire | I am playing with a warlock who knows how to fear |
| 22:44.46 | cladhaire | this is.. |
| 22:44.48 | cladhaire | like a whole new game! |
| 22:44.52 | kamdis | Yeah, there isn't anything but Turn Undead and Shackle, is there? |
| 22:46.07 | smcn | woo |
| 22:46.15 | smcn | build imo |
| 22:46.16 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 22:46.22 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed smn |
| 22:46.25 | NightHawkTheSane | er, smcn |
| 22:48.02 | foxlit | "Horde - Eastern Kingdoms - 550 / Kalimdor: 700 |
| 22:48.02 | foxlit | Alliance - Eastern Kingdoms: 700 / Kalimdor: 730" |
| 22:48.06 | foxlit | blatant favoritism! |
| 22:48.32 | kamdis | aye, for alliance, since they have over 100 more eastern kingdoms quests than horde |
| 22:48.33 | kamdis | :P |
| 22:48.39 | foxlit | (it just remains to figure out of which faction) |
| 22:48.50 | kamdis | they had it set at 700 originally but we couldn't get it done on horde :( |
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| 22:51.11 | Dashkal | ok, I like this bug (I play a druid): http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/Fr0z/WoWScrnShot_092608_004450.jpg |
| 22:52.15 | foxlit | I, for one, welcome our new MOONFIRING overlords |
| 22:52.36 | Tem|work | Alliance have something like 100 less quests required for outland, though |
| 22:52.36 | foxlit | and what looks to be their paladin pocket healers |
| 22:52.51 | foxlit | although maybe that's a priest |
| 22:53.22 | kamdis | Fine feathered, Moofiring, Typhooning overloards |
| 22:53.46 | Tem|work | okay, going home |
| 22:54.00 | foxlit | Someone actually Typhoons? |
| 22:54.06 | Dashkal | Roasted chicken! The fire of course is courtesy of a resto... |
| 22:54.12 | foxlit | The 5 yard knockback felt underwhelming last I looked at it |
| 22:55.40 | smcn | no build :( http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10539065802&sid=2000 |
| 22:55.53 | kd3 | but maybe it'll be just as awesome... less lag! |
| 22:56.16 | Dashkal | That'd be nice. I want to play with builds outside of instances... |
| 22:56.27 | kd3 | meh, I'm about 40 quests through storm peaks |
| 22:56.28 | Dashkal | unholy DPS is interesting, though I still prefer blood |
| 22:56.33 | kd3 | it's not horrible, just annoying |
| 22:57.05 | Dashkal | I'm just glad they fixed "The last of her kind" in SP. I finished the rest of the zone waiting on that one. Long chain too |
| 22:57.21 | kd3 | heh, I just picked that one up when the server went down |
| 22:57.32 | smcn | it really depends on the area, even within a zone. yesterday in grizzly hills i had horrible lag in the area with all the tree giants and wolves and shoveltusk, but everywhere else in grizzly was lag free |
| 22:58.15 | Dashkal | In the build before the current you'd find the bear, right-click to mount her (what she said) and she'd appear and immediately despawn. Bonus points: you would then be _frozen_ to the spot. I hearthed and everything despawned (since my character moved) but the client wouldn't have anything of it. |
| 22:58.27 | kd3 | ouch |
| 22:59.46 | Dashkal | Gotta love it when the client tells the server STFU my code thinks he can't move cause he's mounting and nothing you tell me about his position will make be believe otherwise! lalalalalala I can't hear you |
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| 23:16.17 | Duman | make it stop plox |
| 23:16.22 | Duman | thx :) |
| 23:16.26 | cbreak | it seems ineffective |
| 23:16.38 | Duman | LOL coke got klined |
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| 23:16.56 | NightHawkTheSane | SHIIBOT HAS FORSAKEN US! |
| 23:17.15 | Sixen | =[ |
| 23:17.15 | Duman | heh |
| 23:17.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ALL HAIL T! |
| 23:17.19 | t | kline on Icecoldcoke removed. |
| 23:17.25 | Sixen | o_O |
| 23:17.44 | Sixen | K-Lined? |
| 23:18.00 | NightHawkTheSane | kill line |
| 23:18.01 | t | yes, on freenode it's a network ban. |
| 23:18.04 | NightHawkTheSane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-line#K-Line |
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| 23:18.52 | Sixen | ah |
| 23:19.33 | Duman | ahh, ala "g-line"? |
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| 23:19.46 | Duman | poor coke |
| 23:19.54 | Icecoldcoke | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.54 | Duman | caught in the crossfire |
| 23:20.04 | NightHawkTheSane | no, a g-line is where you stuff the $1 |
| 23:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | er.. wait.. |
| 23:20.10 | Duman | LOL |
| 23:21.08 | Sixen | Rofl Night. |
| 23:21.28 | Dewin | Yus! My code works! |
| 23:21.36 | Dewin | Now to apply a generous dosing of glue. |
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| 23:34.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Dewin: Don't forget the duct tape |
| 23:35.59 | NightHawkTheSane | jon stewart is my hero. http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=186052 |
| 23:37.59 | Dashkal | I do wish that site would direct me to the correct video on comedynetwork... |
| 23:38.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, it didn't? |
| 23:38.50 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, just Jon Stewart taking pot-shots against Bush again |
| 23:39.12 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but hilariously so. |
| 23:39.15 | Neuro_Medivh | not really |
| 23:39.35 | Neuro_Medivh | it might be funnier if he weren't so blatantly liberal |
| 23:39.51 | NightHawkTheSane | its funny, because regardless of that, it's all true. |
| 23:39.54 | Dashkal | um, the entire show is John Stewart taking pot shots at political figures... |
| 23:40.47 | Neuro_Medivh | Dashkal, I know, but he still takes obvious sides |
| 23:41.32 | Neuro_Medivh | plus, let's be honest, making fun of bush right now is like making fun of the poor retarded kid in school |
| 23:41.41 | Neuro_Medivh | NO ONE likes Bush, not even his own party |
| 23:41.48 | bleeter | right now?? |
| 23:42.04 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, thats not even true, there's still a bunch of poor deluded souls who still like him. |
| 23:42.12 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes, right now, when his approval rating is in the toilet |
| 23:42.14 | cbreak | has he hit 0% approval rating? |
| 23:42.30 | Neuro_Medivh | Last I heard it was at around 13%, which might be lowest ever |
| 23:42.44 | bleeter | Neuro_Medivh: I meant, that it hasn't been like making fun of the kid in school before? :P |
| 23:43.23 | Kaso | its more like 25-30% approve |
| 23:43.23 | Neuro_Medivh | bleeter, no, back in 2002-2003, Bush's numbers were far higher |
| 23:43.32 | Kaso | http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm |
| 23:43.42 | Neuro_Medivh | and so it was more risque to make fun of him |
| 23:43.50 | Neuro_Medivh | thank you Kaso... |
| 23:43.51 | Kaso | Historical Aprpoval ratings http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm |
| 23:44.10 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: I'll give you the point that it's pretty much moot. |
| 23:44.20 | cbreak | in 2004 it was over 50% |
| 23:44.27 | cbreak | (the 50% that voted for him) |
| 23:44.29 | Dashkal | That said, I'm pretty strongly left-wing (far more than any political figure) so his humor is perfect for me : |
| 23:44.30 | Dashkal | :p |
| 23:44.44 | bleeter | I don't see how populatrity relates to ease of making fun of him, but there ya go |
| 23:44.55 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: it doesn't really |
| 23:45.01 | NightHawkTheSane | he's always been the retarded kid. |
| 23:45.30 | Neuro_Medivh | bleeter, it's easy to make fun of the guy everyone dislikes, because the humor can be more malicious |
| 23:45.53 | Neuro_Medivh | and people will laugh not at the joke, but at the fact that they're making fun of Bush |
| 23:45.58 | Dashkal | Though I will be sad if John Stewart doesn't make fun of (Not a prediction, just a hypothetical) Obama if he takes office. |
| 23:45.58 | Kaso | What i find amazing is that with all the comedy being generated by the elections i forget about how bad bush is |
| 23:45.59 | bleeter | it's also easier - but also healthy - to make fun of the policital folks to try and keep 'em in check |
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| 23:46.13 | kagaro | Ackis: ping |
| 23:46.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaso: it's really hard to forget that when his administration is directly responsible for your bank failing. |
| 23:46.50 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane, I'd debate that issue. |
| 23:46.59 | bleeter | yeah |
| 23:46.59 | Neuro_Medivh | first, at most it's indirectly |
| 23:47.16 | Kaso | Well im not in US so i guess that's the economic problems dont impact me so much |
| 23:47.35 | cbreak | it's not bush's fault the banks failed |
| 23:47.37 | Neuro_Medivh | second, remember that the main problem to the economy was the housing bubble |
| 23:47.38 | cbreak | it's the banks fault |
| 23:47.49 | bleeter | not even banks |
| 23:47.55 | cbreak | they decided to do dumb invenstments even a braineating zombie knows where bogous |
| 23:47.57 | bleeter | just pure unadulterated human greed all round |
| 23:48.11 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: a lot of that was a lack of federal regulation and a save-the-wealthy attitude by the administration |
| 23:48.18 | Neuro_Medivh | what regulation? |
| 23:48.39 | cladhaire | Is there an addon that will tell me if my teammate has used his HS? |
| 23:48.44 | Neuro_Medivh | the dems love to cite de-regulation, but I've yet to hear what regulations were removed that would have prevented this |
| 23:48.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i didn't say deregulation. |
| 23:49.29 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, so what form of regulation would have been required? A govt cap on house prices? |
| 23:49.42 | Tem | I think the notion that bush is somehow responsible for the economic situation is laughably rediculous |
| 23:49.46 | NightHawkTheSane | regulations should have been added. and while one can point fingers further back, there were plenty of warning signs more recently that the whole thing was just going to blow up |
| 23:49.55 | Neuro_Medivh | WHAT regulations though? |
| 23:50.02 | kd3 | and breaking up the politics with random fark humor... [Interesting] Plane grounded, searched in Romulus. No comment from the Federation on what it was doing so far beyond the Neutral Zone |
| 23:50.08 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i'm not an economist, i don't understand the finer points |
| 23:50.17 | Tem | I get it, most people don't like him. That doesn't make him responsible for everything you don't like about the government |
| 23:50.38 | Dewin | hmm |
| 23:50.53 | Dewin | Code for fading a frame wroks better when you remember a variable contains a value between 0 and 1, not 0 and 100. |
| 23:51.01 | bleeter | doesn't absolve him totally, either.. he's the bloody president |
| 23:51.20 | Neuro_Medivh | bleeter, I thought you lived outside the US? =) |
| 23:51.43 | cbreak | Dewin: I think there is an API function that frades frames |
| 23:51.50 | Cide | nope |
| 23:52.01 | Cide | there's a lua function that does it, iirc |
| 23:52.05 | Cide | but not an API function |
| 23:52.07 | ccox | "just pure unadulterated human greed all round" - isn't the the Republican party platform? |
| 23:52.22 | cbreak | no matter if it's lua or c, it's api :) |
| 23:52.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: no, the GOP platform is greed for the wealthy, bollocks for everyone else. :) |
| 23:52.42 | bleeter | Neuro_Medivh: I fail to see how appealing to Nationalism is relevant |
| 23:52.54 | ccox | Nighthawk - ok, thanks for clarifying |
| 23:53.24 | Neuro_Medivh | I wasn't appealing to nationalism, I was merely clarifying whether you lived inside the US or not |
| 23:53.27 | cbreak | UIFrameFadeIn(<frame>, <duration>, <start>, <end>); |
| 23:53.29 | cbreak | I think |
| 23:53.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: remember, in these trying times, it's necessary for everyone (making less than six figures annually) to give a little extra for their country, so the wealthy can take it. |
| 23:54.21 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane: So, we should turn into a socialist state? |
| 23:54.26 | ccox | Nighthawk - right, if we don't pay the government to pay the bank owners, who will? |
| 23:54.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: I know! |
| 23:54.52 | NightHawkTheSane | someone HAS to look out for the corporate executives.. otherwise they might have to be responsible! |
| 23:55.09 | ccox | I just want to see someone with the balls to take back all the bonuses the bank folks have been giving themselves |
| 23:55.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: i want to see an end to golden parachutes for executives. |
| 23:55.46 | cbreak | I see nothing bad with socialism. |
| 23:55.46 | ccox | Nighthawk - won't happen as long as they have money to buy politicians |
| 23:55.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i know >< |
| 23:56.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i don't recall saying that, but hey, sure why not :) |
| 23:56.22 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane: I was merely asking what the alternative is |
| 23:56.42 | Neuro_Medivh | it's easy to say "Man, our system sucks!" without offering ways to improve it |
| 23:56.45 | ccox | elect people who represent the people instead of big business? |
| 23:56.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: .. tax the fuck out of the rich? |
| 23:57.07 | cbreak | steal it from the rich, give it to the poor! |
| 23:57.07 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, how much? 50%? 75%? |
| 23:57.11 | cbreak | robin hood ftw |
| 23:57.12 | ccox | well, put back the taxes that Bush got rid of for a start |
| 23:57.47 | ccox | but just electing people who want to make the country work, instead of people who want to tear it down -- that's a good start |
| 23:58.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: again, i'm not a financial expert, if you get rid of idiotic loopholes and exceptions, it's not hard to have a moderate tax on wealthy individuals and corporations that would -vastly- increase the national revenue without needing to tax ANYONE in the lower economic brackets. |
| 23:58.46 | ccox | I am more than a little sick of people telling me how I'm not patriotic, while they try to destroy our constitution |
| 23:59.04 | NightHawkTheSane | half the problem is that it's far to easy for wealthy corporations and individuals to weasel out of taxes, paying little to none |
| 23:59.08 | Neuro_Medivh | I am more than a little sick of people talking about the constitution being destroyed without any actual proof |
| 23:59.34 | Corrodias | lol politics |
| 23:59.39 | bleeter | *cough* habeus corpus |
| 23:59.48 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane: no, it's not... the tax cuts they get are incentives to put their money where the Govt wants them to |
| 23:59.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: so.. you have no problem with the blatant invasions of privacy made in the past eight years? |
| 23:59.53 | ccox | Neuro - warrentless wiretapping, signing statements, ignoring suponeas, lying to congress without consequence, torture,etc. |
