| 00:00.58 | Nechckn | So, when a firm has their name trademarked and the news media runs a story about the company, they will now be expected to give hints, rather than state the name? |
| 00:01.23 | Dashkal | Nechckn: that depends entirely on if the article is favorable or not |
| 00:04.00 | Nechckn | Seems like taking things a bit too far is all. Now, if someone were trying to sell items/services using the name, I can whole-heartedly understand that.. but just a name with a link or stating the name for any non-business purpose? I'll put that in the "Meh" column |
| 00:04.14 | Dashkal | agreed |
| 00:04.24 | Dashkal | but content owners want unilateral control |
| 00:04.59 | Dashkal | That wasn't hyperbole. Quite a few owners of intellectual property really do believe that should have absolute authority over that property. |
| 00:05.34 | Dashkal | Which is of course stupid given the inherently non-exclusive nature of it |
| 00:06.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda love being a helpful jerk |
| 00:06.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043284132&postId=104038967571&sid=1#1 |
| 00:06.42 | Dashkal | :p |
| 00:06.48 | Dashkal | I want them from blizzard or nothing, damnit! |
| 00:06.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Emphasis jerk |
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| 00:07.23 | NightHawkTheSane | he does have the point that they should be fairly easy to auto-generate from properly documented code.. |
| 00:07.42 | NightHawkTheSane | but *shrug* if blizzard is like most places.. the code is probably not documented well enough :) |
| 00:07.49 | Dashkal | And he's correct that it's technically easy to accomplish. He's neglecting that there may be other reasons |
| 00:08.31 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 00:09.13 | Dashkal | But then, there's one one about here who knows for sure, and if we were intended to know we would by now *shrugs*. The resources we have are plenty good. |
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| 00:10.59 | Dashkal | These people make me cry inside: http://notalwaysright.com/those-who-know-just-enough-to-be-dangerous/656 |
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| 00:14.30 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:14.32 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/experiencewii |
| 00:14.36 | Wobin | is not a bad ad for Wario on the wii =P |
| 00:16.00 | NightHawkTheSane | seen it, but yeah, its pretty neat :) |
| 00:17.04 | End | hm, goblin binary is a great way to piss people off |
| 00:17.21 | Dashkal | that's pretty cool |
| 00:19.29 | Dashkal | Zarhym is probably my favorite CM. Skin thicker than a clefthoof and can still crack a joke afterwords. |
| 00:22.03 | Lopeppeppy | Zarhym rules the world. |
| 00:22.22 | NightHawkTheSane | End: eh? what does it actually do? |
| 00:22.32 | End | allows you to speak in "binary" |
| 00:22.43 | Arrowmaster | rofl theres a 70 mage from the former top alliance guild on the server riding around shatt on a pinto horse with a panda cub out and 8/8 netherwind on |
| 00:22.52 | End | it's for the brew of the month club |
| 00:23.18 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, +45 healing, or +3% crit.. |
| 00:23.26 | Arrowmaster | End: first brew gets mailed to you? |
| 00:23.29 | End | no |
| 00:23.42 | End | you can buy the current brew though |
| 00:24.17 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: That'd be awesome, you pay a fee now and every month a box of brew shows up in your mailbox |
| 00:24.37 | End | well, it sends some every month |
| 00:24.39 | Arrowmaster | well thats what the goblin says they will do |
| 00:24.41 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 00:24.42 | End | just not every month |
| 00:24.45 | End | er |
| 00:24.48 | End | just not the first month |
| 00:24.58 | Iriel | Nifty |
| 00:25.41 | End | you can buy the current month (unique 24) by going to the guy in orgrimmar or...uh, IF maybe? I dunno what it is for alliance |
| 00:28.04 | Arrowmaster | so i fucking hate this game |
| 00:28.19 | Arrowmaster | i log off for an hour and i come back and guild mates are doing ZA |
| 00:28.48 | Arrowmaster | after i tried to get a ZA group going before raid yesterday, after raid yesterday, and before i logged off earlyer today |
| 00:29.57 | Dashkal | Hmm. It would be really cool to hear Alyx (as in half life) sing. |
| 00:31.11 | Corrodias | OFF TOPIC |
| 00:31.33 | Dashkal | There's a topic? |
| 00:31.37 | Corrodias | me. |
| 00:31.46 | Dashkal | ~lart Corrodias |
| 00:31.46 | purl | executes killall -TERM Corrodias |
| 00:31.59 | Dashkal | only TERM? you got off easy |
| 00:32.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel: re: "offical API docs!!1one" - you mean C source, or XML/lua source? |
| 00:32.32 | ScytheBlade1 | (Or both?) |
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| 00:35.10 | Corrodias | yo momma was written in COBOL |
| 00:35.27 | Iriel | Both, but largely the C source -- i.e. blzzz doesn't NEED documentation (but we do) |
| 00:36.06 | Atriace | lua> x = 1; if x then; if (not y) then; return; end; x = y; print(x); end |
| 00:36.06 | lua_bot | Atriace: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ';' |
| 00:36.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Was just seeking clarification, mostly because I had always taken that to mean the C source, and I just now realized that you could have meant the XML/lua all this time |
| 00:36.10 | Iriel | I shall clarify |
| 00:36.24 | ScytheBlade1 | You just did. :) |
| 00:36.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh on the post |
| 00:36.28 | Iriel | indeed |
| 00:36.44 | Iriel | To be honest you can get pretty far with just the FrameXML code |
| 00:36.51 | Iriel | further still with a running client and /dump |
| 00:37.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. Check out wowwiki and friends ;) |
| 00:37.48 | Atriace | lua> x, y = 1 if x then if (not y) then return end x = y print(x) end |
| 00:37.49 | lua_bot | Atriace: No output |
| 00:37.53 | Atriace | lua> x, y = 1, 2 if x then if (not y) then return end x = y print(x) end |
| 00:37.54 | lua_bot | Atriace: 2 |
| 00:38.50 | Atriace | lua> x, y, z = 1, 2, 3 if x then if (not y) then return end x = y print(x) end print(z) |
| 00:38.50 | lua_bot | Atriace: 2, 3 |
| 00:38.58 | Atriace | Bingo |
| 00:39.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. I'm totally going to link your PDF, "the closest to offical documentation we have on any part of the UI currently in existance" |
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| 00:40.03 | Dewin | ~devtools |
| 00:40.04 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 00:40.14 | Dewin | thank you for letting me be lazy, purl |
| 00:41.37 | Lopeppeppy | Reward her with botsnacks, she likes those. |
| 00:42.02 | Corrodias | how very similar to buttsexs |
| 00:42.12 | Lopeppeppy | Not even remotely. |
| 00:42.26 | Iriel | Corrodias: And yet how very different in significant and important ways |
| 00:44.27 | Neuro_Medivh | ~botsnack |
| 00:44.27 | purl | :), Neuro_Medivh |
| 00:44.32 | Neuro_Medivh | ~buttsex |
| 00:44.33 | purl | [buttsex] fun. |
| 00:44.44 | Lopeppeppy | Purl, someone told you bad things. I'm sorry dear. |
| 00:44.48 | cbreak | ~botpizza |
| 00:44.55 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, purl likes both apparently |
| 00:44.57 | cbreak | that bot has no taste... |
| 00:45.06 | Neuro_Medivh | ~pizza |
| 00:45.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Just to make sure I'm somewhat sane |
| 00:45.27 | ScytheBlade1 | [cwflyable] is a stupid idea while we already have [flyable] |
| 00:45.39 | Dewin | What's the difference? |
| 00:45.46 | cbreak | I want [reallyflyable] |
| 00:45.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone wants to *add* [cw] |
| 00:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, if you trained Cold Weather flying, *and* if the zone is flyable |
| 00:46.08 | Neuro_Medivh | flyable should return false if you are in Northrend and do not have CWFlying |
| 00:46.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 00:46.16 | ScytheBlade1 | My thoughts exactly |
| 00:46.18 | Neuro_Medivh | simple as that |
| 00:46.19 | cbreak | it should return false if you can not fly |
| 00:46.22 | Dewin | oh, so you DO have to train another level of flying skill. |
| 00:46.23 | cbreak | no matter why |
| 00:46.24 | Neuro_Medivh | OR, if you are in dalaran |
| 00:46.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: no you do not. |
| 00:46.32 | Neuro_Medivh | cbreak, exactly |
| 00:46.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: your flying skill remains static. |
| 00:46.35 | Tem | The [reallyflyable] check is impossible |
| 00:46.44 | Neuro_Medivh | why, tem? |
| 00:46.46 | Dewin | ScytheBlade1: Ahh... How do you get cw then? |
| 00:46.47 | Dashkal | purl, have a cookie |
| 00:46.47 | purl | Ta. *Munch* |
| 00:46.51 | cbreak | it is possible |
| 00:46.59 | Tem | All macro conditions must be evaluatable at the client level |
| 00:47.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: complete a quest. It shows up in your questbook, general tab. |
| 00:47.03 | Tem | ALL of them |
| 00:47.04 | cbreak | after all, blizzard does that check before telling me that I can not fly |
| 00:47.17 | Neuro_Medivh | Tem: Ok.. the client doesnt' know what zone I'm in? |
| 00:47.18 | Tem | [reallyflyable] is not possible to evaluate at the client level |
| 00:47.27 | cbreak | all the data is available |
| 00:47.31 | Tem | the client doesn't know that dalaran is a no-fly zone |
| 00:47.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Except all the data isn't available |
| 00:47.39 | Tem | the server does |
| 00:47.43 | Neuro_Medivh | then TELL IT |
| 00:47.43 | cbreak | why not? |
| 00:47.45 | ScytheBlade1 | (to the client) |
| 00:47.51 | cbreak | the client could know it |
| 00:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Neuro_Medivh: suggestions thread ho! |
| 00:47.52 | Dashkal | Would make life easier if the client was simply told that... |
| 00:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: suggestions thread ho! |
| 00:48.01 | Tem | not really |
| 00:48.02 | cbreak | by applying a debuff |
| 00:48.11 | cbreak | ScytheBlade1: no one reads suggestions on eu forums |
| 00:48.19 | Tem | it's not as simple as saying "this whole zone is unflyable" |
| 00:48.22 | Tem | because that's not how it works |
| 00:48.33 | Dashkal | Tem: use similar logic to how it can tell indoors from out-of-doors |
| 00:48.38 | Tem | think back to like the starcraft or warcraft3 map editors |
| 00:48.43 | Dashkal | or an inn from the rest of the world |
| 00:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: well, in case you didn't know, most any US regular here is more than willing to post requests on EU posters behalf. write it up nicely and ask, it'll normally happen pretty quickly. |
| 00:48.56 | cbreak | Tem: it's like applying a debuff on the player when ever he can not fly |
| 00:49.00 | Dashkal | prolly the inn. I imagine it would fit better |
| 00:49.04 | cbreak | instead of polling for the server |
| 00:49.10 | cbreak | the server tells the client |
| 00:49.14 | Tem | inns are only known to the client because the server tells the client that "you're now resting" |
| 00:49.15 | cbreak | it does not even have to be perfect |
| 00:49.21 | cbreak | just good enough for reallyflyable |
| 00:49.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Tem, so tell the client "btw, you can't fly right now" |
| 00:49.38 | Dashkal | Tem: I'm not talking about what it _does_ do, I'm suggesting what it _could_ do with reasonable work |
| 00:49.43 | Neuro_Medivh | doesn't have to be a debuff |
| 00:49.51 | Neuro_Medivh | can be a hidden flag |
| 00:50.03 | cbreak | ScytheBlade1: I suggested something like that with the in game tool |
| 00:50.21 | Tem | That's possible, but not without a redesign of the no-fly system |
| 00:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: also works. But just the same, if you'd like to write something more formal up, feel free to pastey it and ask for someone to repost it. The option is there. |
| 00:50.35 | Tem | which, frankly, is pretty low priority right now. |
| 00:50.49 | Iriel | I suspect the problem is that the data isn't exposed in a useful way to the client, and doing so would require a protocol update |
| 00:50.55 | Neuro_Medivh | and that's the real thing. It's not that it's impossible, it's just low-priority |
| 00:51.06 | Dashkal | Tem: I imagine at this point any and all new functionality is a zero chance... |
| 00:51.14 | Dashkal | But then we're late in a dev cycle |
| 00:51.18 | Corrodias | new function: make Corr invincible |
| 00:51.20 | Iriel | Based on how it 'feels' I think even todays no-mount restrictions are implemented by the server cancelling your mount aura |
| 00:51.41 | Tem | ay |
| 00:51.41 | Tem | e |
| 00:51.51 | Tem | think of the times you stay mounted for a while indoors |
| 00:52.04 | cbreak | I've been swimming around in the air in the scryer bank a few times. |
| 00:52.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I wonder if you could code an addon to do it |
| 00:52.08 | cbreak | so,y es. |
| 00:52.21 | Tem | Neuro_Medivh, why not? |
| 00:52.27 | Iriel | You could certainly teach an AddOn the map |
| 00:52.28 | Tem | you would be wrong sometimes |
| 00:52.34 | Tem | but you could get it pretty close |
| 00:52.42 | Dashkal | I make it a habit to park myself on one of the aldor bank's rafters. I love that smidge of time I get to fly indoors :p |
| 00:53.20 | Tem | I wonder if we could get a function that would request if the current spot is flyable |
| 00:53.39 | kd3 | heh. my favorite place to perch before they nerfed it was mag's lair. it was pretty easy to get to the far side of the instance line |
| 00:53.42 | Tem | firing an event with the results |
| 00:53.47 | Dashkal | But the converse is also true. [flyable] doesn't change to true until the server says so (walking outside the bank, you cannot mount until the server notices you left it) |
| 00:54.01 | Dashkal | erm, unsure of [flyable] specifically, just that the button won't work |
| 00:54.12 | Tem | some of indoors/outdoors is local, though |
| 00:54.33 | cbreak | buttons are updated in OnUpdate I think |
| 00:54.33 | Tem | well, all of the macro conditional is |
| 00:54.40 | Tem | Negative |
| 00:54.46 | Tem | they're updated from an event |
| 00:54.50 | Tem | which fires REALLY OFTEN |
| 00:55.04 | cbreak | ~ on update :) |
| 00:55.07 | Dashkal | My button doesn't fade on me inside/outside, so I cannot tell (I'm a druid, it's my stance bar button) |
| 00:55.08 | Tem | =P |
| 00:55.52 | Tem | Dashkal, think of the last time you tried to travel form and were clearly outside, but the server said "no! you can only do this outdoors" |
| 00:56.00 | Tem | your travel form button was lit up at that point |
| 00:56.12 | Tem | so the client has some notion of indoors/outdoors |
| 00:56.16 | Tem | just the server has the final say |
| 00:58.34 | Arrowmaster | so we have 6 shamans and 5 warlocks for sunwell |
| 00:58.55 | Arrowmaster | 4 priests and 4 warriors |
| 00:59.00 | Arrowmaster | guess what we are missing? |
| 00:59.04 | elite3vil | druids |
| 00:59.12 | elite3vil | or pallies. |
| 00:59.13 | Arrowmaster | 2 of those |
| 00:59.16 | Arrowmaster | 1 of those |
| 00:59.38 | cbreak | mages are missing... |
| 00:59.38 | Arrowmaster | 1 hunter |
| 00:59.42 | Arrowmaster | 2 rogues |
| 00:59.46 | Arrowmaster | winner |
| 00:59.46 | cbreak | how can you forget the most essential class? |
| 00:59.48 | Arrowmaster | 0 mages |
| 00:59.55 | Arrowmaster | 0 online |
| 01:00.02 | elite3vil | I'm not a mage anymore =P |
| 01:00.03 | elite3vil | lol. |
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| 01:02.24 | Neuro_Medivh | ok Shiibot, go to work! |
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| 01:03.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 01:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | It worked |
| 01:03.14 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 01:03.21 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm as shocked as you guys |
| 01:03.32 | ScytheBlade1 | afk, searching for my jaw |
| 01:03.40 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:03.41 | kd3 | that's twice today |
| 01:03.44 | ScytheBlade1 | And Shirik isn't even here to see it |
| 01:03.48 | Tekkub | rawr |
| 01:05.10 | Tekkub | so I'm not allowed to spout random nonesense anymore? |
| 01:05.20 | Legorol | what worked? |
| 01:05.34 | kd3 | shiibot's defeating the spambot |
| 01:05.50 | Tekkub | I don't even get the point of that bot |
| 01:06.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It sets +rR when it detects a crapflod |
| 01:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | s/flod/flood/ |
| 01:07.24 | Cairenn | I wonder if my +f to ##unavailable is still working |
| 01:07.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I show +f #shiibot |
| 01:07.50 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 01:08.05 | Cairenn | hadn't realized shirik had changed that |
| 01:08.08 | Cairenn | that's fine though |
| 01:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | 21:02 -!- mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 01:08.27 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 01:14.14 | Atriace | Is it possible to place a function call with parameters inside a variable so that when the variable is called "function + pre-define parameters" is fired? |
| 01:14.28 | Atriace | wait... that's not possible. |
| 01:14.32 | cbreak | yes, it is |
| 01:14.56 | Atriace | How do you call a variable? Functions, I know, but I've never called a variable. |
| 01:15.05 | cbreak | function (...) your_function(..., 1, 2, 3); end or something like that |
| 01:15.20 | cbreak | all functions you call are variables |
| 01:15.24 | cbreak | that contain functions |
| 01:15.58 | cbreak | my_func = function () stuff end; is the same as function my_func () stuff end; |
| 01:16.06 | Atriace | if a = function(c,d); then simply putting "a" on a line by itself will call function(c,b)? |
| 01:16.24 | cbreak | no |
| 01:16.57 | cbreak | > a = function (a) print("a is "..a) end; a(2) |
| 01:18.02 | cbreak | if you have a function a, call it with a(). |
| 01:19.03 | Atriace | Would that be true if you called the function by a numerical index? |
| 01:19.17 | cbreak | example? |
| 01:19.37 | Atriace | 1) a = function(c) stuff; end |
| 01:19.44 | cbreak | you can call functions in many ways, it has a flexible syntax |
| 01:19.50 | Atriace | 2) table[1] = a |
| 01:20.17 | cbreak | table[1](2) for example (but table is a bad name) |
| 01:20.19 | Atriace | 3) table[1] should now call function(c) etc... |
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| 01:20.32 | Atriace | naturally a bad name, but this is example only. ;) |
| 01:21.49 | Atriace | Curious, you repeated the parameters of the function call in the table call. Can't the whole function+parameter be stored in the table? |
| 01:22.15 | cbreak | you can |
| 01:22.21 | cbreak | functions are _values_ |
| 01:22.27 | cbreak | well... reference values |
| 01:22.30 | Atriace | lol |
| 01:22.32 | cbreak | it's a reference type (I think) |
| 01:22.35 | Atriace | Lua cracks me up. |
| 01:22.41 | cbreak | you can wrap it |
| 01:22.49 | Atriace | example? |
| 01:23.07 | cbreak | if you have a = function (st) print("the string is "..st) end; |
| 01:23.31 | cbreak | you can do b = function () a("constant string") end; |
| 01:23.43 | cbreak | b() will print "the string is constant string" |
| 01:24.00 | cbreak | just by packaging into an other function |
| 01:24.09 | Iriel | you could also do... |
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| 01:24.16 | cbreak | I have no idea why |
| 01:24.35 | Iriel | local up_a = a b = function() up_a("constant string") end |
| 01:24.56 | Iriel | and you'll bind the CURRENT value of a to an upvalue which is then tied to b, so even if you redefine a later b still calls the old a |
| 01:25.48 | Atriace | Sounds more like what I'm looking for. |
| 01:25.53 | cbreak | you get security but lose redefinability |
| 01:26.18 | Iriel | yes, though of course you can do things like this... |
| 01:26.45 | Iriel | function wrapother(func) return function(...) func(...) end, function(newfunc) func = newfunc end end |
| 01:27.01 | Iriel | which returns two functions, the first of which is a wrapper for the argument |
| 01:27.08 | Iriel | the second of which lets you redefine which function is wrapped |
| 01:27.13 | Iriel | (since both share the 'func' upvalue) |
| 01:28.09 | Atriace | Iriel... |
| 01:28.15 | Atriace | Do you have nightmares in Lua? |
| 01:28.25 | Atriace | You speak it so fluently. |
| 01:28.32 | cbreak | that sounds quite cool. |
| 01:29.51 | Dewin | I dreamed of WOTLK the other night. |
| 01:29.51 | Iriel | Atriace: No nightmares, no 8-) |
| 01:29.57 | Thunder_Child | he doesnt need nightmares, he has the forums |
| 01:30.01 | Dewin | And... I'm not even in the beta, which makes it more interesting. |
| 01:30.04 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Nice |
| 01:30.07 | Atriace | lol |
| 01:30.25 | Dewin | in the dream I was reading the tooltip for a mount and it said something about having 555% movement speed. |
| 01:32.20 | cbreak | look at the bright side |
| 01:32.24 | cbreak | it could have been 666 |
| 01:33.33 | Thunder_Child | it's worth the extra 111% speed increase |
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| 01:34.07 | Tyler232 | hello |
| 01:34.10 | Atriace | I think that would have the side effect of turning a human into a horde undead... |
| 01:34.15 | Atriace | Hiya, Tyler |
| 01:34.30 | Tyler232 | hey guys i have a quick question about syntax |
| 01:34.38 | Tyler232 | with my macro |
| 01:34.51 | Tyler232 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.00 | Tyler232 | idk how to get it working |
| 01:35.34 | Tyler232 | i have a bag full of ore and i want to prospect it all basically |
| 01:35.35 | Syzgyn | I dont think you can get a macro to work like you want it to |
| 01:36.01 | Syzgyn | Each prospect has to be a single button click, or keypress, or whatever |
| 01:36.02 | Tyler232 | so i have to make a full blown addon for it? |
| 01:36.05 | Syzgyn | No |
| 01:36.14 | Syzgyn | Couldnt do it automatically with an addon either |
| 01:36.31 | Syzgyn | There are mods to speed it up though |
| 01:36.33 | NeoTron | I still want multi passenger flying mounts |
| 01:36.41 | NeoTron | multi passenger ground mounts are so limited in use |
| 01:37.05 | cbreak | multi passenger flying mounts? so the driver can dismount randomly? :) |
| 01:37.27 | Syzgyn | Hahaha |
| 01:37.53 | NeoTron | cbreak: small price to play |
| 01:38.00 | NeoTron | would love uit for herbing/mining with two accounts |
| 01:38.01 | NeoTron | for example |
| 01:38.28 | NeoTron | the nromal mounts are really only useful for leveling an alt or helping a low level friend |
| 01:38.57 | cbreak | they are useful to get the gold for the epic |
| 01:39.05 | cbreak | I guess. |
| 01:39.39 | NeoTron | sure |
| 01:39.55 | NeoTron | I am thinking from a <have had epic flying mount since about 2 weeks after I got 70> point of view |
| 01:40.04 | NeoTron | and have two alts with it |
| 01:40.23 | cbreak | I directly bought the epic one. I have too much gold due to lack of alts :) |
| 01:41.32 | Tem | wow |
| 01:41.40 | Tem | world server is exceptionally unstable tonight |
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| 01:45.24 | kd3 | thus why I'm not even bothering to try to quest in SP tonight |
| 01:45.26 | kd3 | maybe tomorrow |
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| 01:46.42 | Lopeppeppy | Hiya, Seerah! |
| 01:46.53 | Seerah | hiya peppy! :) |
| 01:50.03 | Tem | sigh |
| 01:50.06 | Tem | it's not laggy |
| 01:50.10 | Tem | it just won't stay up |
| 01:50.24 | Tem | I preferred laggy ): |
| 01:52.05 | Cide | <Tem> it just won't stay up <-- many men have this problem |
| 01:52.16 | Tem | I hate you |
| 01:52.45 | Syzgyn | ~Tem++ |
| 01:52.53 | Syzgyn | er, Cide++ |
| 01:53.09 | Tem | Syzgyn-- |
| 01:53.12 | Syzgyn | <3 |
| 01:53.13 | Cide | way to give him the rep. |
| 01:53.54 | Syzgyn | ~Cide++ |
| 01:57.05 | Cide | http://xkcd.com/480/ -- awesome |
| 02:01.45 | Tekkub | that reminds me, gotta go get my package at the office |
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| 02:02.12 | Syzgyn | http://drmcninja.com/page.php?pageNum=19&issue=13 I Love Dr.McNinja |
| 02:05.21 | Tekkub | I was like WTF? but the last panel saves it |
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| 02:08.13 | Syzgyn | Not the best strip for indiviual consumption, but you get the idea |
| 02:13.28 | Legorol | After 3.5 years, Blizz still hasn't come up with a solution that's the pain of running a lowbie from darnassus to IF |
| 02:13.48 | Legorol | argh |
| 02:13.49 | kd3 | sure. it's called moving the darn->wetlands boat to SW |
| 02:13.53 | Legorol | and all that to train weapons |
| 02:14.09 | Legorol | kd3: they did? |
| 02:14.22 | Legorol | so what's in menethil now? |
| 02:14.27 | Legorol | only the theramore boat? |
| 02:14.31 | kd3 | theramore and howling fjord |
| 02:15.17 | Legorol | does sw have a boat to northrend too? |
| 02:15.22 | kd3 | borean tundra |
| 02:15.25 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:15.40 | Legorol | which means everyone will start in borean tundra, being lazy to get to menethil |
| 02:16.08 | morkii | are any other healing classes needed after druid gets flourish and nourish hehe |
| 02:16.13 | Neuro_Medivh | not to mention, the HF boat takes like 3 times longer to make the trip |
| 02:16.18 | kd3 | which is fine, I like HF better anyway |
| 02:17.34 | kd3 | what the hell? http://www.woot.com/Blog/ViewEntry.aspx?Id=6051 |
| 02:18.05 | Yssaril | is there an event if someone in the guild logson/off? |
| 02:18.31 | kd3 | should be... chatframe1 has to see it in order to display the "[guldie] logged in" message |
| 02:19.25 | Dewin | doesn't devtools have a thingie that lets you see the events that caused a chat frame message? |
| 02:19.33 | Dewin | though I don't think it works in the wotlk build |
| 02:19.50 | Thunder_Child | kd3, honestly, in this day and age it should have an ipod/portable media plugin |
| 02:20.12 | NightHawkTheSane | hrm. |
| 02:20.25 | Yssaril | Dewin: cry would try to figure it out myself if my wowcomp would be up and running |
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| 02:21.25 | Dewin | Yss: One sec. I recall looking up the event before so it shouldn't take me long to find it again |
| 02:21.45 | Neuro_Medivh | kd3, they should call that the iShit |
| 02:22.01 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, it's fm only |
| 02:22.05 | Thunder_Child | err..radio |
| 02:22.51 | Neuro_Medivh | way to ruin my joke, Thunder_Child! |
| 02:23.40 | Thunder_Child | it's what i do |
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| 02:24.44 | Dewin | Yssaril: I can't find it at the moment, much to my annoyance |
| 02:25.17 | Yssaril | Dewin: might just be a system msg event |
| 02:26.47 | Thunder_Child | concidering how fast people level to 10 is it really such an issue? |
| 02:27.19 | Diskmaster | Not really, but it's something that always bugged me, and I don't know if it's even a bug |
| 02:28.41 | Corrodias | an unimplemented, unplanned feature |
| 02:31.31 | Dewin | Yssaril: I can't find it, which is going to drive me insane. |
| 02:31.57 | Yssaril | Dewin: hehe |
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| 02:33.26 | Dewin | hmm, wikia just guru meditationed me. |
| 02:33.43 | Dewin | it might be under CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 02:34.44 | Syzgyn | Tem: ping |
| 02:34.53 | Tem | pong |
| 02:34.57 | Tem | oh lol |
| 02:35.04 | Tem | I was still listing buffs in guild |
| 02:35.10 | Tem | Blue beam on netherspite |
| 02:35.12 | Tem | fel rage |
| 02:35.14 | Syzgyn | I know :P |
| 02:35.34 | Yssaril | damn thought so went hunting for it in the framexml code all i found was a cvar for it not even a globalstring /sigh might just have to do it manually |
| 02:35.48 | Syzgyn | But right now its written for unit IDs |
| 02:35.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Yssaril: for what? |
| 02:35.53 | Syzgyn | so I'm gonna keep using em :P |
| 02:36.11 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: an event that fires when someone in the guild connects/disconnects |
| 02:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.02 | Tem | Yssaril, one fires iff you have the show guild member login/out option checked |
| 02:37.08 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: dodnt have a wow capabale comp atm /cry |
| 02:37.12 | Tem | and it's a CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 02:37.34 | Tem | there's a format string for it |
| 02:37.45 | Tem | something like CHAT_MSG_FRIEND_ONLINE |
| 02:37.54 | Yssaril | Tem: but without that it wont fire so thats no good |
| 02:38.03 | Tem | that's all you have |
| 02:38.32 | Yssaril | am thinking about just using GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE and setting a timer to fire off GuildRoster() every min or so its not really time sensitive |
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| 02:39.00 | Tem | what is this for? |
| 02:39.51 | Yssaril | checking if certain people are online and start communicating with them if they are but stop sending data when all of them are dc'ed |
| 02:40.53 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. |
| 02:40.57 | NightHawkTheSane | so balance ddruids are awesomely bugged |
| 02:43.45 | Wobin | howso? |
| 02:43.58 | kd3 | rofl. prep is bugged on the PTR |
| 02:44.05 | kd3 | it isn't fading when the BG-proper starts |
| 02:44.18 | NightHawkTheSane | typhon apparently has no mana cost or GCD. |
| 02:44.34 | NightHawkTheSane | which means balance druids can spam it insanely fast and push out >100kdps |
| 02:45.09 | NightHawkTheSane | we just did 10 man obsidian sanctum.. with all 3 drakes up.. in a matter of seconds. |
| 02:48.29 | Dewin | Anybody know offhand if faction names are localized? |
| 02:49.07 | kd3 | they should be |
| 02:49.32 | Dewin | Hmm, so writing a functon to programmatically generate shortened names for factions is probably not nearly as safe as I'd think ;) |
| 02:49.46 | kd3 | pick the first letter out of each word? |
| 02:49.56 | Dewin | Was one idea |
| 02:50.08 | Dewin | I was thinking to err on the side of caution the first 3 letters of each word |
| 02:50.14 | Dewin | so Cenarion Expedition -> CenExp |
| 02:50.52 | Dewin | I'm not going to implement it at all for the time being though |
| 02:51.03 | Yssaril | will that work on asian locales? |
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| 02:51.31 | Amarande | hmm, another thing just occurred to me about WOTLK |
| 02:51.32 | Dewin | more reasons to not implement it ;) |
| 02:51.40 | Amarande | how ridiculously hard is it to max Skinning, I wonder? |
| 02:51.49 | Amarande | I imagine Mining and Herbalism will have 450's the first day, but Skinning might take weeks |
| 02:52.03 | Dewin | Seriously? Skinning's the easiest one to keep up IMHO |
| 02:52.06 | kd3 | I doubt it very strongly. but wouldn't there not be a need to implement an abbreviator? korean and chinese names should take up far less space than their roman-character equivalents |
| 02:52.09 | Yssaril | Amarande: depends how good your class is at AOE killing |
| 02:52.16 | Amarande | If you even can GET 450 skinning! heh |
| 02:52.20 | Amarande | Dewin: what occurred to me is this |
| 02:52.46 | NightHawkTheSane | this is -hilarious- (and /mostly/ sfw.. although..) http://www.atom.com/funny_videos/filthy_food/ |
| 02:52.47 | Amarande | Max mob level to skin is skinning/5 |
| 02:53.04 | Amarande | Minimum mob level to skin and it not be grey is related in a similar way, right? |
| 02:53.14 | Dewin | You'll be skinning a lot more green and yellow mobs |
| 02:53.16 | Dewin | but |
| 02:53.22 | Dewin | You get SO MANY of them |
| 02:53.23 | Amarande | or did they raise the grey-out threshold above 375? |
| 02:53.47 | Amarande | It does occur to me that if they keep this pattern up with expansions though, eventually you never will be able to max skinning :) |
| 02:53.48 | Dewin | 375/5 is 75 and I still see yellow skinnables on a regular basis. |
| 02:54.05 | Dewin | well, moreso green, I don't kill that many lv70 skinnables |
| 02:54.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i've long since thought of that |
| 02:54.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: but, at the same time, you won't need to :P |
| 02:54.28 | Dewin | for the achievements.. |
| 02:54.47 | NightHawkTheSane | next expansion: max mob level is 93, max skinning to skin it? 465. max skinning in wrath is 450 :p |
| 02:55.14 | Amarande | yeah, that's what I was thinking of |
| 02:55.23 | Dewin | What if they implemented certain mobs being harder/easier to skin? |
| 02:55.35 | Amarande | eventually, if we keep getting ten more levels of mobs, but a profession increase that effectively means fifteen more levels of skinning |
| 02:55.39 | Dewin | IMHO peeling the scales off a dragon takes a bit more effort than flaying a deer |
| 02:55.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: they'd almost have to. |
| 02:55.49 | Amarande | even the HIGHEST level mobs in a future expansion will be grey before you max skinning :S |
| 02:55.57 | NightHawkTheSane | the current rate of inflation means exactly what Amarande just said |
| 02:56.04 | Dewin | Or they just change the formula post 450 |
| 02:56.17 | Dewin | it's already different for the first 10 levels |
| 02:56.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, which is probably what they'll do. |
| 02:56.27 | Dewin | 10 levels worth of mobs, that is |
| 03:00.36 | Dewin | hmm... what would you use for default colors for a pet XP bar if they had to be distinguishable from a regular XP bar or a reputation bar... |
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| 03:05.07 | NightHawkTheSane | what are yousing for xp & rep? |
| 03:05.47 | ccox | WTB Blizzard a faster installer/updater |
| 03:05.56 | Dewin | By default: standard reputation colors and the standard (I think) purple/blue for XP |
| 03:06.05 | Dewin | I'm stealing the default Bongos XP bar colors for the time being |
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| 03:08.45 | Dewin | I still need tradeskill colors too in addition to pet, but I think I can use a deep blue for those like they are in the skills tab |
| 03:08.46 | Dewin | maybe teal for pet |
| 03:08.51 | Amarande | Speaking of experience, are there any known problems with ExperienceFu in 3.0? |
| 03:10.23 | Tem | I dropped *fu a long while back |
| 03:10.25 | Tem | so I couldn't tell you |
| 03:10.43 | Tem | having my interface work after I update my addons has been nice |
| 03:11.24 | Thunder_Child | you seem to be missing the idea of 'updating' |
| 03:11.56 | Tem | you seem to forget what happens when one fubar addon breaks |
| 03:12.27 | Thunder_Child | actually i do....they all break? |
| 03:12.45 | Tem | horribly |
| 03:13.01 | Thunder_Child | i dont remember it being like that a ways back |
| 03:14.06 | Tem | Overall stability might have changed as it's been a while |
| 03:14.10 | Tem | but I doubt it |
| 03:15.29 | Amarande | isn't that more an Ace issue than a FuBar one? |
| 03:16.51 | Tem | a little of both |
| 03:17.27 | Arrowmaster | its an issue of authors not properly checking that shit exists |
| 03:17.36 | Tem | either way, I don't trust fubar addons and I don't trust Ace2 addons |
| 03:17.50 | Amarande | Shouldn't it be assumed that shit exists? After all, you dig through it in both Hellfire *and* Nagrand :) |
| 03:18.00 | Arrowmaster | and also i think fubarplugin got changed so that stuff like that wouldnt happen |
| 03:18.11 | kd3 | Amarande, and HF and BT too! |
| 03:18.49 | Tem | whatever |
| 03:18.58 | Tem | it's still 3k lines of shit I don't want running on my system |
| 03:21.19 | Tem | plus if you add Ace2, that's like another 16k |
| 03:21.35 | Tem | s/running/loading/ |
| 03:22.28 | Thunder_Child | ~glare Tem |
| 03:22.29 | purl | ACTION glares at Tem |
| 03:22.35 | Tem | glare if you like |
| 03:22.48 | Tem | but I stand by my opinion |
| 03:22.53 | Tem | Ace2 was a horrible failure |
| 03:33.22 | Tem | hmm |
| 03:33.28 | Tem | Corpse Explosion needs a knockback |
| 03:34.02 | Amarande | Corpse Explosion? |
| 03:34.09 | Amarande | that a DK or a lock thing? |
| 03:34.26 | Amarande | and why would it need a knockback? it didn't have one in Diablo 2 |
| 03:34.32 | Amarande | it can get a knockback via a glyph, instead |
| 03:34.52 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes, cause everything in WoW should work like it did in D2/WC3 |
| 03:35.27 | Amarande | "It worked the way the Wang did, what's the problem?" |
| 03:37.02 | Tem | It needs *something* |
| 03:37.09 | Tem | it's a terrible use of an unholy rune atm |
| 03:37.19 | Tem | does like 200 damage at level 79 |
| 03:37.54 | Tem | I was thinking a knockback because the npc corpse explode has one |
| 03:38.17 | Amarande | wow |
| 03:38.19 | Amarande | talk about suck |
| 03:39.11 | Wobin | pft |
| 03:39.20 | Wobin | it's like the bad smell affects you, and that's it =P |
| 03:40.10 | ccox | "Does anyone know where the dummies are?" "Playing ally." |
| 03:46.52 | Dewin | ccox: Best answer ever. |
| 03:47.37 | Dewin | Ergh. this is going to be painful. |
| 03:48.39 | Dewin | I need a data structure with enforced uniqueness on both the keys and the values that maintains a constant sort order. |
| 03:49.09 | Dewin | Or I can just scan through something every time I need to make a change |
| 03:49.12 | ccox | Dewin - in what language? And sort order over what sort of use? |
| 03:49.31 | ccox | Dewin - doing that in Lua would be difficult |
| 03:49.42 | Dewin | It's a list of what types of xp/rep/etc pseudo-"events" a given XP bar is interested in. |
| 03:50.02 | Dewin | I guess modes is more accurate than events |
| 03:50.04 | ccox | Dewin - doing that in C++ would mean something like std::set or std::map |
| 03:50.09 | Dewin | And it's Lua |
| 03:50.24 | Dewin | A given bar can register it's interest in say three different reputations |
| 03:50.27 | ccox | for lua, you have unique keys, but not values |
| 03:50.47 | Dewin | And if it's set to autochange, it will change to one of those three as soon as a change is registered |
| 03:50.48 | ccox | you could create 2 tables and a metafunction to keep them unique |
| 03:50.53 | Dewin | else it cycles through when clicked. |
| 03:51.17 | ccox | the sort is more difficult, but if you only need sorted values once in a while, you could sort just prior to that point |
| 03:51.18 | kd3 | whee, random firefox crash |
| 03:52.42 | Dewin | It's modified rarely accessed often |
| 03:52.49 | Dewin | so resort-on-modify is fine |
| 03:57.36 | Cide | eh |
| 03:57.38 | Cide | that's easy |
| 03:57.47 | Cide | a hash table with a metatable with __newindex |
| 03:57.49 | Cide | maintains uniqueness |
| 03:58.04 | Cide | and an array table which maintains order, where the values are the keys of the hash table |
| 03:58.29 | Dewin | Yeah... actually all I really need some way of keeping a list of elements and what element is before/after them |
| 03:58.58 | Dewin | I can do that with just one table, since the list items themselves are just indexes into another table |
| 03:59.41 | ccox | cool - they took out all the prospected powders (can't test adamantite on this toon) |
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| 04:28.53 | Duman | hmm |
| 04:29.24 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 04:29.43 | Duman | are chat hyperlinks and names still broken |
| 04:29.54 | Arrowmaster | we are doing twins and sombody got conflaged and ran out, and im standing in the middle of the ranged group and i get conflag and kill everybody |
| 04:30.25 | Tem | Duman, yes |
| 04:30.29 | Duman | boo. |
| 04:30.40 | Duman | ok, time to update the build # in this addon then :P |
| 04:32.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: i think they said it would continue to be broken on the beta/ptr, but would be fine when it hit live |
| 04:32.21 | NightHawkTheSane | considering how many times -i've- said the exact same thing, i can believe it. |
| 04:32.34 | Duman | hehe |
| 04:32.42 | Duman | well that's just weird/silly |
| 04:32.44 | Duman | but whatever |
| 04:34.41 | ccox | geez, just what is the going rate to get a port to dalaran these days? |
| 04:34.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: 1800g, last i checked. ;) |
| 04:35.24 | ccox | I've tried frostweave cloth, and offering mage glyphs - still no takers |
| 04:36.26 | ccox | server restart in 15 |
| 04:47.56 | Tem | oh wow |
| 04:48.07 | Tem | Duman, you see the new Desecration spell effect? |
| 04:50.06 | Duman | LOL |
| 04:50.08 | Duman | 1:30 my ass |
| 04:50.10 | Duman | nope |
| 04:50.27 | Duman | I got the "restart in 1:30" and then *BOOTTOTHEHEAD* |
| 04:50.31 | Duman | the new mammoth mount is sick |
| 04:50.33 | Duman | vendor on it |
| 04:51.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: i like it. |
| 04:52.05 | Tem | I think it's AWESOME |
| 04:52.14 | Tem | like, I'm speccing into desecrate just because of it |
| 04:52.15 | NightHawkTheSane | new d&D is okay, not amazing though |
| 04:52.21 | Tem | I like the new D&D as well |
| 04:52.29 | NightHawkTheSane | its good. |
| 04:52.30 | Tem | a huge improvement on the old |
| 04:52.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i actually kinda liked the old about as much |
| 04:53.03 | Dewin | Duman: Server restart makes me sad. |
| 04:53.11 | Dewin | I'm almost at a point in coding where I actually need WoW to be running >.> |
| 04:53.39 | Dewin | actually, if my wife hadn't distracted me, I was about 15 minutes away when the restart in 15 message popped up |
| 04:53.53 | Duman | tem: you'll have to show me desecrate |
| 04:54.15 | Tem | I have to figure out if I can afford it, though |
| 04:54.33 | Tem | I'd have to give up Magic Attunement and AMZ |
| 04:54.39 | Duman | server's back |
| 04:54.48 | Tem | the point from AMZ would go to Blade Barrier, probably |
| 04:54.57 | Tem | so I'd have 5/5 BB |
| 04:55.16 | NightHawkTheSane | give up AMZ? >< |
| 04:56.15 | Duman | well, it WAS back |
| 04:56.19 | Duman | world server kersplat'ed again |
| 04:56.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I was totally going to check out my mammoth |
| 04:56.45 | Tem | NHTS, AMZ has a prereq in Magic Attunement |
| 04:56.58 | Tem | those would be the "free" 5 points I'd move to Descrate |
| 04:57.07 | Tem | or maybe I could take impurity |
| 04:57.21 | Tem | but I kinda like impurity... |
| 04:57.33 | Tem | well |
| 04:57.35 | Tem | actually, no |
| 04:57.37 | Tem | I don't |
| 04:57.46 | Tem | because I don't what it affects, exactly |
| 04:57.55 | Tem | does it increase my D&D? |
| 04:57.58 | Tem | does it increase my UB? |
| 04:58.08 | NightHawkTheSane | what does impurity do? |
| 04:58.23 | Tem | +25% AP bonus to spells |
| 04:58.31 | Duman | wait, is the 6sec cooldown for sword spec only for 5/5? I don't see it listed for 1/5 thru 4/5... or is that just tooltip laziness |
| 04:58.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd say D&D, IT, DC, maybe UB |
| 04:59.07 | Tem | oh, it looks like it also works on AMZ |
| 04:59.16 | Tem | since AMZ is increased by AP now |
| 04:59.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 04:59.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i think any damage ability that's not a melee attack is a "spell" |
| 04:59.56 | NightHawkTheSane | so, HB as well |
| 05:00.16 | NightHawkTheSane | if thats even possible |
| 05:01.05 | Tem | it is |
| 05:01.12 | Tem | impurity is pretty low in the unholy tree |
| 05:01.14 | Tem | 15pts ish |
| 05:01.19 | Tem | and it doesn't look like I can drop it |
| 05:01.21 | Tem | :( |
| 05:01.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i dont have the unholy tree memorized |
| 05:01.33 | Tem | I need 3 points in it to reach the next teir |
| 05:01.43 | Duman | I'm so confused by the arms tree now |
| 05:02.03 | Tem | arms is dead anyway |
| 05:02.07 | Tem | fury gets free MS |
| 05:02.17 | Duman | altho PvE (and solo grinding) seems to work ok in battle stance |
| 05:02.22 | Duman | yeah madness |
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| 05:02.37 | Tem | I think it'd be nice if DKs got a healing debuff |
| 05:02.56 | ccox | DKs get healing buffs - if they go blood |
| 05:02.56 | Tem | once upon a time, we had one |
| 05:03.14 | Tem | I can't remember what it was called |
| 05:03.18 | Tem | but it was a 5m cooldown |
| 05:03.27 | Tem | causes healing on the target to do damage in stead of heal |
| 05:03.42 | Tem | it died before we reached alpha >< |
| 05:03.45 | NightHawkTheSane | olive loaf + olive oil + spices = win. |
| 05:04.38 | ccox | tem - yeah |
| 05:04.57 | Tem | but yeah, I kinda want one |
| 05:05.11 | Tem | warriors are the kings of pvp because they have the best healing debuff |
| 05:05.21 | Tem | and the best mobility |
| 05:05.34 | Tem | and the best resource |
| 05:05.38 | Tem | and the best snare |
| 05:07.42 | ScytheBlade1 | argh, who remembers off the top of their head the param to pass to make to specify an additional include dir? |
| 05:07.46 | ScytheBlade1 | -I/path/ ? |
| 05:08.11 | Dewin | I believe so |
| 05:08.34 | ScytheBlade1 | so just `make -I/path/`? I seem to recall that being for another part of the build system |
| 05:08.37 | Dewin | but it's not usually passed to make, it's passed to gcc |
| 05:08.41 | NightHawkTheSane | `man make` |
| 05:08.51 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: WALL O' TEXT |
| 05:08.58 | Dewin | try make CFLAGS=-I/path? |
| 05:09.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:09.00 | purl | forces ScytheBlade1 to use Outlook Express |
| 05:09.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa, 165 lines |
| 05:09.04 | ScytheBlade1 | That's nothing, wtf |
| 05:09.12 | NightHawkTheSane | srsly, MAN |
| 05:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I was expecting a `man screen` sized document |
| 05:10.18 | ScytheBlade1 | At least |
| 05:11.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: did you say that the mammoth was carrying vendors now? Because it isn't |
| 05:11.58 | Cide | hmm |
| 05:12.10 | Cide | anyone know if cladhaire's got the source for his whole is_pronouncable stuff code? |
| 05:12.23 | Cide | (available) |
| 05:13.02 | Tekkub | I still need an addon to name ThePillsWontHelpYouNow |
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| 05:16.23 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, is that how you come up with addons? You think of a name, then build the addon to fit? =) |
| 05:17.04 | Cide | clad|sleep: ping |
| 05:21.29 | vithos | man i'm glad we're getting accurate threat numbers in 3.0 |
| 05:21.55 | vithos | pisses me off when Threat-2.0 is off by more than 30% and i pull aggro while still under the tank |
| 05:24.43 | Cide | >>? http://pastey.net/96714 |
| 05:24.44 | Cide | Cide: input appears to be syntactically correct. |
| 05:25.02 | Cide | anyone got shirik's mail addr? |
| 05:25.18 | Cide | @ Cairenn |
| 05:25.30 | Cairenn | Cide: what's up? |
| 05:25.35 | Cide | see the message above |
| 05:25.51 | Cairenn | he's out of town for the week |
| 05:26.00 | Cide | that's why I wanted his mail addr :P |
| 05:26.02 | Cairenn | is it something that he needs to deal with immediately? |
| 05:26.08 | Cide | no, not at all |
| 05:26.19 | Cide | I have a suggestion for his spam bot |
| 05:26.50 | Tem | vithos, threat meters are a crutch |
| 05:27.09 | Tem | Cide, what's the suggestion, I'm curious :) |
| 05:27.42 | Cide | well, I analyzed the messages the spam bots sent, as well as their nicknames and idents |
| 05:28.00 | Cide | since they're randomly generated, the capital/non-capital ratio is usually very close to 1 |
| 05:28.34 | Cide | so checking nick+ident's and messages' cap/non-cap ratio, if it's > 0.9, it's probably spam |
| 05:29.13 | Cide | I also sent a mail to cladhaire asking if he still has his is_pronouncable code around, that should catch it pretty well too |
| 05:31.29 | Corrodias | Tem: health meters are a crutch |
| 05:32.06 | Tem | ;aslhfa;lskfja;slkfj |
| 05:32.17 | Tem | that shouldn't trigger the spambot imo |
| 05:32.20 | Duman | lol? |
| 05:32.22 | Cide | it wouldn't |
| 05:32.25 | Duman | I sundered this mob and the server crashed |
| 05:32.30 | Cide | the capital/non-capital ratio is 0 |
| 05:32.35 | Corrodias | sunder it again! |
| 05:32.46 | Cide | ASIODJASIFUHASFIJA would, however |
| 05:32.46 | Tem | Cide, is_pronouceable would hate me, though |
| 05:33.14 | Cide | it would only apply if your name has been flagged as unpronouncable and it's the first message you send, though |
| 05:33.32 | Cide | "Tem" is certainly pronouncable |
| 05:33.46 | Cide | and it takes 60 "points" to lock the channel |
| 05:33.53 | Cide | each offense would only add like 10 |
| 05:34.03 | Cide | so it would take 6 bots joining, or 3 bots joining + spamming |
| 05:35.39 | Cide | and it's a running average over 15 seconds so it should work pretty well |
| 05:47.19 | Wobin | Cairenn: hm, I think I've gone at this new project assbackwardsly |
| 05:47.35 | Cairenn | Wobin: heh |
| 05:47.39 | Wobin | I created the SVN before creating the project |
| 05:47.57 | Cairenn | shouldn't matter |
| 05:49.08 | Wobin | aha |
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| 05:50.47 | Wobin | there we go |
| 05:54.49 | Duman | wtf |
| 05:54.52 | Duman | world server still down? |
| 05:55.03 | Tem | Duman, I've given up on Northrend tonight |
| 05:55.20 | Tem | I'm grinding mining so I can farm mats for a titansteel mace |
| 05:55.30 | Duman | lol |
| 05:55.45 | Tem | it's BOE! |
| 05:55.52 | Duman | yah |
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| 05:58.42 | Tem | Sorting can be done in log(n) time, right? |
| 05:59.00 | Tem | qsort is 2logn, isn't it? |
| 06:00.38 | zenzio | if I'm reading wikipedia right, quicksort is n log n average, worst case n² |
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| 06:01.07 | sb | <3 bogosort |
| 06:02.54 | zenzio | "Citizens of the Russian town Chelyabinsk calculated when the satellite, QuickBird, which takes images for Google Earth and Google Maps, would cross above their city and used people to make a giant smiley face" -- cool |
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| 06:07.10 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzio: thats awesome |
| 06:10.51 | Corrodias | i didn't know russians had the internet |
| 06:11.05 | Corrodias | kidding! 2ch.ru. |
| 06:11.05 | Gngsk | bad joke! |
| 06:11.56 | Corrodias | looking. where in the city? |
| 06:15.14 | ccox | search can be done in logN (for ordered data), sorting is NLogN |
| 06:18.40 | Tem | nlogn, right |
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| 06:18.47 | ccox | (with the right data structures and circumstances, you can do better for search and sort - but not often) |
| 06:18.54 | Tem | thanks |
| 06:19.08 | Tem | it's been a while since I thought about it |
| 06:19.19 | Tem | and I'm helping a friend in an algorithms class |
| 06:19.24 | Wobin | Any 'approvalators' for wari on? |
| 06:21.19 | NightHawkTheSane | approvinator, imo. |
| 06:26.41 | Syzgyn | ~ScytheBlade1++ |
| 06:27.17 | ccox | Best thing for algorithms class - read the book carefully, professors frequently skip over important parts |
| 06:27.29 | ccox | Tem - because they've forgotten that reality is not the same as theory |
| 06:27.31 | Dewin | approvinizer? |
| 06:28.03 | Tem | ccox, heh |
| 06:28.10 | Tem | I prefer the theory tbh |
| 06:28.58 | ccox | Tem - the books cover the realities pretty well (most of them, anyway), but still I interview students who don't understand the important parts |
| 06:29.13 | ccox | Tem - in theory, a NLogN algorithm is faster than N^2 |
| 06:29.19 | Tem | right |
| 06:29.23 | Tem | but not always :) |
| 06:29.27 | ccox | Tem - in practice, the N^2 may be faster out to N=2^200 or more |
| 06:29.34 | Tem | because average running time ~= actual running time |
| 06:29.56 | ccox | and because asymptotic performance is not the same as real performance |
| 06:30.11 | Tem | right |
| 06:30.13 | ccox | those little constants and setup times get in there |
| 06:30.35 | Tem | right |
| 06:30.47 | Tem | those things you drop when you go to infinity are still there in reality |
| 06:30.58 | ccox | NLogN is really Setup + Konstant * N log N |
| 06:33.51 | Dewin | I really need to remember to s/!=/~=/g |
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| 06:34.34 | krka | the proper definition is that a nlogn algorithm is faster than n^2 for all n greater than some specific offset |
| 06:34.35 | Tem | iirc, qsort is 2nlogn |
| 06:34.47 | krka | 2n? |
| 06:34.56 | krka | where does the 2 come from? |
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| 06:35.13 | krka | O(2nlogn) = O(nlogn) so people generally choose the shortest form |
| 06:35.24 | Tem | right |
| 06:35.27 | Tem | that's what I'm saying |
| 06:36.14 | krka | so why did you say qsort is 2nlogn instead of pi*nlogn or any other number |
| 06:36.41 | Tem | because that's the actual constant |
| 06:36.52 | krka | there is no actual constant in complexity theory |
| 06:36.57 | Tem | the 2 comes from qsort(a): return qsort([x for x < pivot]) + pivot + qsort([x for x > pivot]) |
| 06:37.05 | ccox | krka - it can be more complex than that, thanks to memory hierarchies and different hardware setups (especially parallel hardware) |
| 06:37.23 | Tem | you literally call qsort twice |
| 06:37.39 | Tem | well, that's not quite right |
| 06:37.42 | ccox | the constant is not 2, the constant scales the theoretical time to match wall clock time |
| 06:37.43 | krka | right, but that doesn't have any impact on the complexity class definition |
| 06:37.54 | Tem | I'm sorry, krka, I don't remember where the 2 comes from |
| 06:37.58 | ccox | no, that is not right |
| 06:38.00 | Tem | I may not even be remembering right |
| 06:38.07 | nevcairiel | Quicksort has a worst-case of n^2, anyway |
| 06:38.16 | ccox | yeah, without the median of 3 modification |
| 06:38.36 | krka | you're really not supposed to extend complexity theory directly to practical usage |
| 06:38.50 | ccox | yes, you are - most people just don't |
| 06:39.11 | ccox | you can extend it right down to predicting clock cycles (on average) |
| 06:39.26 | krka | that's not complexity theory anymore |
| 06:39.48 | ccox | yes, it is - with practical application |
| 06:39.52 | krka | the whole point is to compare how algorithms perform for large enough inputs |
| 06:40.19 | ccox | although it is fun to watch computer scientists spend weeks arguing about the best algorithm for a job that could have been written, tested, and done in 10 minutes |
| 06:40.37 | ccox | krka - no, the point is knowing how your software might perform |
| 06:40.50 | smcn | http://xkcd.com/309/ |
| 06:40.51 | smcn | :P |
| 06:40.54 | ccox | krka - if you spend all your time thinking about infinity, you don't accomplish anything |
| 06:41.04 | krka | computer science is not about actual programs, it's about science |
| 06:41.47 | ccox | krka - oh, I have several people in silicon valley would like to cure you of that idea! |
| 06:42.05 | krka | you're describing engineering |
| 06:42.13 | NightHawkTheSane | cs != se |
| 06:42.37 | ccox | that's like saying physics isn't about reality, just about math |
| 06:42.53 | ccox | math is abstract, but computer science is concrete |
| 06:43.08 | krka | no it's not |
| 06:43.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i think what you're looking for is math:physics::comp sci.:software engineering |
| 06:43.25 | krka | computer engineering may be concrete though |
| 06:43.33 | ccox | Nighthawk - nope, sorry |
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| 06:44.04 | nevcairiel | computer science studies the theoretical foundations, not practical implementations |
| 06:44.07 | NightHawkTheSane | er, yes. CS is about the abstract theory, and only marginally intersects implementation. |
| 06:44.09 | ccox | Nighthawk - already had this debate with the best minds in comp. sci. |
| 06:44.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: thats nice, you're still wrong. |
| 06:44.33 | ccox | of course, that attitude does go a long way toward explaining the bloat and slow software available today |
| 06:44.49 | krka | no it doesn't |
| 06:44.49 | ccox | too many people thinking about infinity, not thinking about reality |
| 06:45.06 | krka | people who write software aren't necessarily computer scientist |
| 06:45.12 | krka | they're more likely to be engineers |
| 06:45.14 | ccox | sure, it does - if you teach your engineers and scientists that B.S they might believe it |
| 06:45.21 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, im in the middle of a raid.. |
| 06:45.32 | nevcairiel | you're not supposed to teach your engineers that =P its a different job |
| 06:45.44 | ccox | the people who know what they are doing in software, are computer scientists |
| 06:46.02 | krka | i disagree on that part |
| 06:46.23 | krka | Computer science (or computing science) is the study and the science of the theoretical foundations of information and computation and their implementation and application in computer systems |
| 06:46.44 | krka | Computer engineers are engineers who have training in the areas of software design and hardware-software integration. |
| 06:46.44 | ccox | no, that's pretty much math |
| 06:46.57 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: math is the backbone of all science |
| 06:47.01 | krka | i would argue that computer science is a sub field of math |
| 06:47.07 | ccox | when you throw in the fact that it has to run on something, it becomes a lot less theoretical |
| 06:47.19 | krka | Software engineering is the application of a systematic, disciplined, quantifiable approach to the development, operation, and maintenance of software |
| 06:47.20 | ccox | krka - computation is a sub field of math, computer science is not |
| 06:47.25 | nevcairiel | Pure CS doesnt care about implementation |
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| 06:47.37 | nevcairiel | thats where software engineneering comes in |
| 06:47.42 | ccox | pure CS is math without purpose :-) |
| 06:47.51 | Neuro_Medivh | of course it has purpose |
| 06:48.05 | krka | and pure physics is also math without purpose? |
| 06:48.38 | Neuro_Medivh | engineers turn pure math and physics into concrete reality |
| 06:48.49 | ccox | no, pure physics is still a concrete science - it always compares back to measurements |
| 06:49.13 | ccox | theoretical physics tries to establish ideas that can't be measured easily, but still tries to tie them back to measurement in the end |
| 06:49.33 | Neuro_Medivh | do you have a point to this semantical wordplay? |
| 06:49.59 | ccox | only going back to the computer science discussion |
| 06:50.03 | NightHawkTheSane | other than acting contrary, i dont think so |
| 06:50.34 | ccox | it has a lot more point when I talk to department heads and deans |
| 06:50.35 | Neuro_Medivh | what is your contention, though? that computer science has no real application? Cause that's a load of shit |
| 06:50.47 | ccox | Neuro - um, no, that wasn't it at all |
| 06:50.56 | Neuro_Medivh | I thought you dealt with lawyers and running MMOs? |
| 06:51.19 | nevcairiel | He always has something fitting for the discussion Neuro_Medivh =P |
| 06:51.22 | Neuro_Medivh | fascinating that you are at once an expert on legal matters as well as computer science |
| 06:51.43 | ccox | I'm a computer scientist - in the middle of a real industry |
| 06:52.07 | ccox | Neuro - pay attention son, I never claimed to be an expert on legal matters |
| 06:52.36 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: Pay attention, boy, I'm almost certainly your elder, most definately your better |
| 06:52.37 | krka | my short take on it: a computer scientists sees that a O(n^3.23) algorithm is faster than a O(n^3.4) algorithm. a software engineer tests and benchmarks both, and uses the best one, depending on the problem size. |
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| 06:53.04 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: So lay off the pretentious bullshit and backhanded comments |
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| 06:54.22 | ccox | Neuro - I don't know what your problem is |
| 06:55.01 | ccox | krka - a good computer scientist would identify the characteristics of the algorithm at values other than infinity |
| 06:55.03 | Neuro_Medivh | My problem is that you profess to be an expert on just about every subject, and you have an annoying habit of trying to belittle others who dare have an opinion contrary to your own |
| 06:55.20 | ccox | Neuro - no, only on a few subjects. |
| 06:55.32 | nevcairiel | (all we discuss here, apparently :P) |
| 06:55.41 | ccox | Neuro - so far, you're about the only one I've thought about belittling |
| 06:56.01 | krka | ccox: without a software implementation and hardware to run it on, you can't identify more specific characteristics |
| 06:56.05 | ccox | we do tend to discuss software, hardware, science, and some computer industry related topics |
| 06:56.06 | Neuro_Medivh | probably because I'm the only one who actually responds |
| 06:56.11 | krka | the complexity classes _is_ the characteristics |
| 06:56.31 | ccox | krka - you can identify quite a lot without specific hardware and software implementations |
| 06:56.33 | krka | (you can of course determine complexity classes for many areas, including processor time, memory usage, et.c.) |
| 06:56.58 | ccox | krka - you left out the setup complexity, small N complexity, etc. |
| 06:57.33 | krka | no, those are in "et.c." :) |
| 06:58.03 | krka | depending on the scenario, setup complexity may be included in the overall complexity though |
| 06:58.34 | ccox | krka - many of the most used algorithms today came about because people analyzed more than just the asymptotic (infinity) behavior, and found that the algorithms didn't suck at any particular point |
| 06:59.03 | ccox | krka - or at least they documented the behavior (like the N^2 worst case for classic quicksort) so that people knew what they were dealing with |
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| 07:01.08 | ccox | krka - BTW - this is a 10 year old feud with CS schools, about why their graduates were failing in industry (both in research and development) |
| 07:02.43 | nevcairiel | So they shouldnt focus on purely CS and do other stuff, but re-branding CS to fit a industrial need feels kinda wrong ;) |
| 07:04.00 | nevcairiel | tbh thats why they dont call it striclty "Computer Science" at my university, but more Applied Computer Science |
| 07:04.18 | nevcairiel | roughly translated =P |
| 07:04.34 | ccox | nevcairiel - no, they just need to stop glossing over the important parts of the theoretical underpinnings |
| 07:04.47 | ccox | nevcairiel - the theoreticians need to know something about reality |
| 07:05.06 | ccox | nevcairiel - and if they want their students to get a job, they need to know how to use a @#$%@#$% debugger |
| 07:05.16 | ccox | :-P |
| 07:05.26 | krka | they want engineers then, not scientists |
| 07:05.30 | nevcairiel | I still think its wrong to fix that by expanding Computer Science |
| 07:05.40 | nevcairiel | rename the damn classes |
| 07:05.44 | ccox | krka - no, we want scientists who know what they're doing |
| 07:05.53 | nevcairiel | and extend it to focus on practical usage |
| 07:06.05 | krka | from your description, i still think you mean engineer |
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| 07:06.11 | ccox | krka - no, far from it |
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| 07:06.34 | krka | fine, we disagree then. i don't think we will get much further |
| 07:06.46 | ccox | ok |
| 07:07.12 | nevcairiel | we have a lot of dry and theoretical classes here, that i would consider pure CS, but then the next semester we have another class that focus on practical usage and implementation of what we learned .. that works out pretty nice =P |
| 07:07.43 | ccox | the important parts were worked out with the big CS schools over *lots* of alcohol |
| 07:08.22 | krka | yeah, my school also had a good mix of science and engineering. |
| 07:08.43 | ccox | for quite some time it wasn't even mixed - many schools wanted pure theory and no practical/applied work |
| 07:08.58 | nevcairiel | man thats fail =P |
| 07:09.05 | nevcairiel | like, studying math |
| 07:09.20 | nevcairiel | It has its uses, but huh |
| 07:09.21 | ccox | that resulted in a lot of folks who thought in LISP and couldn't figure out why the rest of the world looked at them funny |
| 07:09.27 | krka | i consider myself an engineer with some knowledge of computer science |
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| 07:10.20 | ccox | the problem is the computer scientists with no knowledge of engineering |
| 07:10.20 | nevcairiel | Any good engineer should probably have that, anyway |
| 07:10.58 | ccox | nev - yeah, but, well, how many java programmers do you know who pay attention to algorithm performance? |
| 07:11.06 | nevcairiel | none, they use java |
| 07:11.18 | krka | imo, computer scientists should either learn engineering if they want to work with practical stuff, or just stay in academia |
| 07:11.33 | NightHawkTheSane | academia doesn't pay, though |
| 07:11.46 | krka | well, another option is research at google or something |
| 07:11.54 | ccox | I don't know, they pay me to lecture |
| 07:12.07 | ccox | (admittedly, not a lot, and it usually just covers travel :-) |
| 07:12.10 | NightHawkTheSane | pay well, i should say |
| 07:12.28 | krka | there's a difference between code monkeys and engineers too. we have both kinds where i work |
| 07:12.32 | krka | both fill a role i guess |
| 07:12.32 | ccox | that's also why a lot of the interesting research is coming out of industry right now |
| 07:12.38 | ccox | krka - yep |
| 07:12.55 | ccox | krka - although I'd like to see more engineers/scientists and fewer monkeys |
| 07:13.47 | krka | our server developers are mostly engineers, our webdevs and stuff are mostly self taught |
| 07:14.10 | ccox | krka - and back to academia - if they don't have some understanding of application, they tend to go off the deep end |
| 07:14.34 | ccox | krka - web dev. tends to be like that (which may explain a lot about the web sites out there, and vulnerabilities of same) |
| 07:16.10 | NightHawkTheSane | krka: i think thats largely because web dev still isn't something thats really taught |
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| 07:20.25 | nevcairiel | I actually had a web-dev class last semester, but it still only was a very small piece of the whole cake |
| 07:20.38 | nevcairiel | mostly css and xml =P |
| 07:20.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd like to see more web security classes appearing, honestly |
| 07:21.01 | ccox | I think the only places I've seen teaching web dev. were junior colleges, continuing ed., and "expressions center for new media" |
| 07:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: yeah, but most of those are, as nevcairiel noted, fluff classes. :p |
| 07:21.24 | ccox | oh, and expensive seminars |
| 07:21.30 | ccox | NighHawk - agreed |
| 07:21.38 | nevcairiel | I didnt actually go |
| 07:21.43 | nevcairiel | just wrote the exam at the end |
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| 07:32.47 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, back to the fold |
| 07:34.05 | Duman | http://i35.tinypic.com/23vcjnd.jpg |
| 07:34.09 | Duman | EVIL |
| 07:34.44 | Fisker- | The world is not ready! |
| 07:36.06 | Duman | huh... forums die? |
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| 07:50.59 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 07:51.04 | NightHawkTheSane | GTA for intellivision: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdHG5-K8E1E |
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| 08:06.40 | pb_ee1 | lawl NightHawkTheSane |
| 08:07.58 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 08:08.17 | NightHawkTheSane | this is a stupid question, but where is the tier 7 vendor in dalaran? >.> |
| 08:09.04 | Maldivia | depends if you're cloth, leather, mail or plate |
| 08:09.10 | NightHawkTheSane | mail. |
| 08:09.24 | NightHawkTheSane | shaman, specifically |
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| 08:10.53 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 08:10.54 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Thunder_Child. I hate you because you fail. |
| 08:11.43 | Maldivia | NightHawkTheSane: the in dalaran, next to one of the banks is a leath/mail armor |
| 08:11.51 | Maldivia | talk to the mail guy there |
| 08:11.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: found it. :) |
| 08:12.01 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks |
| 08:12.37 | Maldivia | don't know if the vendors in the faction holds still carry all the items |
| 08:13.04 | Maldivia | but I actually like that they spred it out, so leather merchant is selling the leather gear etc |
| 08:13.55 | Thunder_Child | you know you fail when you spend 20 min trying to figure out why the sound wont play when you are trying to listen through the wrong playback device |
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| 08:16.02 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* fun bug. t7 resto shaman gloves require the -chestpiece- token >< |
| 08:16.29 | Kalroth | l2p |
| 08:17.08 | NightHawkTheSane | what? |
| 08:17.30 | Jennifer | Hi, I created a frame with a Fontstring (in lua) and set the text, But i would like to update the text with my health from the UNIT_HEALTH event but how do i access the string? thanks |
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| 08:18.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Jennifer: the same way you accessed it the first time to set the text? |
| 08:19.43 | Jennifer | but its in another function? i tought the locals in that function could not be accessed from another function |
| 08:20.16 | Dewin | The frame that has the text is the same frame that's receiving the event? |
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| 08:20.31 | Jennifer | yes |
| 08:20.54 | Dewin | do something like frame.hpText = mytextobjecthere |
| 08:21.01 | Dewin | and then in the event you can access self.hpText |
| 08:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | you can pass frames as arguments, or you can make your frame have a wider scope |
| 08:21.11 | tekcub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1411/ |
| 08:21.18 | tekcub | my god I wish it was that easy |
| 08:21.20 | Dewin | at least--I think that owrks |
| 08:21.36 | Dewin | tekcub: It's not? |
| 08:21.38 | NightHawkTheSane | tekcub: thats awesome and disturbing at the same time |
| 08:21.45 | Dewin | oh, the beards |
| 08:21.45 | Dewin | heh |
| 08:22.05 | tekcub | and now to counter that awesome... once again Cat and Girl makes no sense... |
| 08:22.05 | tekcub | http://www.catandgirl.com/view.php?loc=655 |
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| 08:23.47 | Thunder_Child | tekcub, thet fist comic reminded me of the seoncd herald and kumar movie |
| 08:25.05 | krka | i dont see it |
| 08:25.15 | Neuro_Medivh | the bottomless party |
| 08:25.32 | krka | right |
| 08:25.59 | Neuro_Medivh | C&H is usually either really funny, or just really wrong |
| 08:26.02 | Neuro_Medivh | occassionally both |
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| 08:26.24 | NightHawkTheSane | cat and girl is just always pretentious. |
| 08:26.27 | tekcub | almost always both |
| 08:26.43 | Arrowmaster | so im bored and running around an almost empty orgrimmar on my lowbie hunter throwing empty brew bottles at people |
| 08:28.47 | Neuro_Medivh | sounds like you need to masturbate |
| 08:28.54 | Neuro_Medivh | er, I mean, make an alt |
| 08:29.15 | Neuro_Medivh | no, wait... the masturbate thing, yeah, that's the correct answer |
| 08:29.39 | Arrowmaster | already did that earlyer |
| 08:29.48 | NightHawkTheSane | .... whats your point? |
| 08:29.48 | tekcub | again |
| 08:30.00 | Arrowmaster | but im out of character slots |
| 08:30.19 | Neuro_Medivh | well, pick a slot you don't need, and... rub one out |
| 08:31.10 | Thunder_Child | yes, because nothing makes you want to whack off like a bunch of guys talking in irc.... |
| 08:31.41 | Neuro_Medivh | well, for some people, it might |
| 08:32.13 | Thunder_Child | holy crap http://www.explosm.net/comics/1384/ |
| 08:32.16 | Dewin | Hey, at least we aren't talking about programming sex, with tail calls and string insertion-- like we were the other night |
| 08:32.23 | Thunder_Child | ~sex |
| 08:32.23 | purl | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ |
| 08:33.03 | Dewin | wow, that's been extended a bit since I last heard it. |
| 08:33.10 | Dewin | and that's shell sex |
| 08:33.55 | Dewin | Is there anything purl doesn't ~know? |
| 08:34.06 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 08:34.07 | Dewin | ~the meaning of life, the universe, and everything |
| 08:34.13 | Dewin | .... fail |
| 08:34.16 | Thunder_Child | ~42 |
| 08:34.16 | purl | well, 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 08:34.30 | Thunder_Child | you just need to know how to ask |
| 08:34.48 | Thunder_Child | ~canada |
| 08:34.48 | purl | We're sorry we called your president a moron, I mean he IS a moron but it wasn't nice of us to point it out. besides it's not like you voted him into office. |
| 08:34.59 | Thunder_Child | oh, thats new |
| 08:35.22 | Dewin | ~blue |
| 08:35.22 | purl | somebody said blue was a color |
| 08:35.22 | Tem | kd3, ping |
| 08:35.30 | Thunder_Child | ~hell |
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| 08:35.37 | Thunder_Child | well, there you go |
| 08:35.39 | Neuro_Medivh | ~girls |
| 08:35.39 | purl | girls are sweet, wonderful and necessary :) |
| 08:35.45 | Thunder_Child | ~boobs |
| 08:35.46 | purl | boobs are awesome |
| 08:35.50 | Gramg | Any admins on who can move my addon from the beta section? |
| 08:35.53 | Neuro_Medivh | ~women |
| 08:36.28 | Dewin | At least it does't cyber... like another IRC bot I've seen >.> |
| 08:36.33 | Gramg | ping Cairenn, Dolby |
| 08:36.39 | Neuro_Medivh | ~cyber |
| 08:36.40 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, cyber is a word you put in front of another to make the second word meaningless. |
| 08:36.40 | NightHawkTheSane | you could probably teach purl to |
| 08:36.41 | Cairenn | pong |
| 08:36.52 | Cairenn | Gramg: link please? |
| 08:36.54 | Thunder_Child | i like how Shiibot is in here but not Shirik |
| 08:37.04 | Neuro_Medivh | Shiibot was a stud earlier |
| 08:37.40 | Dewin | NighthawkTheSane: That's precisely what happened to the other bot. |
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| 08:38.52 | Punkie | yattaa, did anyone watch heroes :o! |
| 08:38.57 | Dewin | Heroes is back? |
| 08:39.03 | Punkie | YES?!¡11 |
| 08:39.06 | Maldivia | yep |
| 08:39.15 | Dewin | brb visiting TPB... that's.. ahem... our local TV station |
| 08:39.16 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, 1542 +heal now, with earthliving |
| 08:39.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Punkie: i've got the first two downloaded, havn't watched them yet |
| 08:39.33 | NightHawkTheSane | probably will tomorrow |
| 08:39.35 | Punkie | i think you will find that season 3 is already damn awesome |
| 08:39.52 | Fisker- | Shiibot why so bot? |
| 08:39.57 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Dewin |
| 08:39.57 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Dewin. I hate you because you fail. |
| 08:40.03 | Maldivia | Punkie: although somewhat predictable the first 2 episodes... |
| 08:40.16 | Punkie | even the last 10 seconds of ep2?? |
| 08:40.20 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 08:40.26 | Punkie | lies |
| 08:40.43 | Maldivia | was already hinted in previous seasons |
| 08:40.57 | Punkie | i don't recall |
| 08:41.01 | Arrowmaster | neither do i |
| 08:41.16 | Punkie | unless you read some heroes forums which go really indepth? |
| 08:42.21 | Thunder_Child | heroes fails as a show |
| 08:42.42 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if blizzard is ever going to fix the bug with when the questlog says the dailies reset |
| 08:42.58 | Punkie | ~whalenuke Thunder_Child |
| 08:42.59 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Thunder_Child with his mind powers. |
| 08:43.09 | Thunder_Child | ~whaleshield |
| 08:43.09 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield thunder_child from the blast. |
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| 08:43.15 | Punkie | it's too late |
| 08:43.25 | Thunder_Child | it's never to late |
| 08:43.35 | Punkie | begone, peasant! |
| 08:43.39 | Maldivia | Punkie: also the previous scene in that episode hinted it |
| 08:43.52 | Maldivia | or well, and earlier scene in the episode |
| 08:44.06 | Punkie | yeah but that's not previous seasons |
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| 08:55.46 | Lyn | why the hell do people think if you put an addon (this case: ouf layout) on wowinterface.. it automatically mean that you give help if they want to modify your addon. oO; |
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| 09:02.32 | haste | Lyn: because some other authors do... |
| 09:05.36 | Fisker- | see what i did there? |
| 09:09.26 | Lyn | haste: But why? Sorry, if I put my layout up for public use... why should I give support if they don't like it how it is and they want to change it totally? |
| 09:10.32 | bleeter | Lyn: because it's plaintext that they don't understand and that you do therefore you will do the work that they want for free. welcome to the wonderful world of ... well, was going to say 'open source' but I should say something more like 'plain text code' or similar |
| 09:11.13 | Lyn | If they dont understand how it works, they shouldnt use it. I don't drive a car if I dont know how to drive. |
| 09:11.33 | haste | Lyn: I tell them to fuck off, so I don't see why you shouldn't be able to |
| 09:12.12 | Lyn | ^^ |
| 09:12.50 | bleeter | that's what we used to do in #pidgin, I'm guessing they still do |
| 09:13.09 | bleeter | every single idiot IM user wants Piding to do something they way they want, and expect the authors to code it up, etc. |
| 09:13.14 | bleeter | *pidgin |
| 09:13.29 | bleeter | and if you think gamers are nutty mad with their requests, you should see IM users ;) |
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| 09:13.44 | Lyn | ;) |
| 09:15.13 | ZorbaTHut | hrm. if I want a function to be called 1/4 of a second from "now", is there an easy and reasonably reliable way to do it? |
| 09:15.58 | Tem | no |
| 09:16.36 | ZorbaTHut | argh. I want to trigger a function on an event *not* happening. |
| 09:16.52 | Tem | it's possible just not easy |
| 09:17.09 | ZorbaTHut | hrm. well, what's the way? |
| 09:17.10 | Tem | plus I'm pretty sure that if you need to trigger on an event not happening, you've got a design flaw |
| 09:17.17 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 09:17.18 | Tem | what's the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 09:17.34 | ZorbaTHut | well, it's pretty simple. part of this plugin involves recording flighpath time information |
| 09:17.37 | ZorbaTHut | *flightpath |
| 09:17.52 | ZorbaTHut | on *most* paths it's simple - you watch for PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST and PLAYER_CONTROL_GAINED |
| 09:18.06 | ZorbaTHut | but there's a few paths that go through zone barriers, and on those, there's an extra GAINED/LOST pair in the middle |
| 09:18.18 | ZorbaTHut | right now it's deciding ironforge to quel'danas is 18 seconds thanks to that. |
| 09:18.57 | ZorbaTHut | the pair takes about a tenth of a second, so if I can just delay "okay we've really landed" for a quarter of a second and call that function if I don't get LOST within that time period, it'll all work out. |
| 09:19.02 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: I suggest you take a look at how FlightMap does it http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3897-FlightMap.html |
| 09:19.16 | bleeter | I have no idea, just that I know it does do it 'coz I use it :) |
| 09:19.21 | bleeter | *no idea how |
| 09:19.22 | Tem | I'd say watch for PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD |
| 09:19.47 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, I'll take a look at both of those |
| 09:20.16 | Tem | I'd bet that one, or both of the PLW/PEW events will happen in the middle of your control events |
| 09:20.18 | Neuro_Medivh | gimme a sec, I'll look at it for you.. I am reasonably well versed in flightmap |
| 09:20.33 | ZorbaTHut | neuro, cool, thanks. I'm starting to dig through it but obviously that'll be slow going |
| 09:21.50 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, it has a custom UnitOnTaxi function |
| 09:22.01 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think it's custom, I think it's part of the API |
| 09:22.05 | ZorbaTHut | (I just found it myself) |
| 09:22.06 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitOnTaxi |
| 09:22.58 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, then that's your check... FlightMap's update checks for UnitOnTaxi |
| 09:23.30 | ZorbaTHut | this is going to be a dumb question, bear with me - OnUpdate is called every frame? |
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| 09:24.08 | Neuro_Medivh | you have to register the frame for updates |
| 09:24.12 | nevcairiel | yes ZorbaTHut |
| 09:24.34 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, I think this plugin probably already has something like that. maybe I can tap into that. okay, thanks, that gives me what I need to fix this :) |
| 09:24.44 | Neuro_Medivh | excellent, hope that helps |
| 09:24.53 | ZorbaTHut | wonder how long those messages and functions have been around. ah, the fun of an old codebase that you didn't write |
| 09:25.04 | bleeter | hehe |
| 09:25.31 | ZorbaTHut | and maybe I can make this plugin stop suggesting Stormwind to Menethil by way of Quel'danas |
| 09:25.39 | ZorbaTHut | this is *not an optimization* |
| 09:25.46 | Tem | Long world server death is long |
| 09:25.46 | Kalroth | lol |
| 09:25.57 | ZorbaTHut | no wait, it's worse than that, it's ironforge to menethil. sigh |
| 09:26.09 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: that wowwiki page would indicate the function's been there since at least 21 Feb 2005 |
| 09:26.30 | ZorbaTHut | sigh |
| 09:26.40 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes the original developer of this pisses me off, and I've never even met him. |
| 09:26.45 | ZorbaTHut | oh well. |
| 09:26.56 | nevcairiel | thats why i would never just pick some old project up and try to fix it |
| 09:27.06 | nevcairiel | if i really want its functionality, i would work on something new =P |
| 09:27.11 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, see, I mostly agree with you |
| 09:27.26 | ZorbaTHut | except it's not just some old project, it's QuestHelper, and there's a lot of really, really good reasons to keep the old codebase. which is *mostly* good. |
| 09:27.38 | ZorbaTHut | just once in a while it's argh what are you thinking why did you *do* that |
| 09:27.51 | nevcairiel | QuestHelper needs to die and people need to learn to enjoy lore :) |
| 09:28.11 | ZorbaTHut | I actually plan to turn questhelper off in northrend ;) but . . . man, it's handy for leveling alts |
| 09:28.13 | Maldivia | what's wrong with looking at the browser on the other screen ?:) |
| 09:28.27 | ZorbaTHut | maldivia, your web browser doesn't come up with a built-in route optimizer. :) |
| 09:28.38 | nevcairiel | in full northrend i probably had to look up 3-4 quests for some hints |
| 09:28.40 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: I don't want an optimized route |
| 09:28.44 | nevcairiel | all other where so easy to find |
| 09:28.46 | bleeter | what's wrong with using your braincells? oh, that's right.. quite a few wow players don't have any ;) |
| 09:28.49 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: I want to discover it by myself |
| 09:29.15 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: all I want from quest addons are better trackers, and perhaps a hint to where I got the quest when I forget the next day when I have to turn it in :) |
| 09:29.30 | nevcairiel | thats what i use lightheaded for |
| 09:29.39 | ZorbaTHut | maldivia, personally, I don't. the annoying details of sitting there and saying "okay, these two quests are actually in Wetlands, but this one over here that *says* it's in Wetlands isn't, and this quest that says it isn't *is* . . . oh wait, this one over here is also. Wait, which of the original ones weren't?" |
| 09:29.41 | ZorbaTHut | not for me |
| 09:29.48 | nevcairiel | I dont have to look at the comments, but when i'm stuck, i can just browse in there |
| 09:29.57 | ZorbaTHut | if I want an optimized route, I want the computer to do it for me. and if I'm leveling an alt, I want it optimized :P |
| 09:30.10 | Maldivia | levelling is SO fast now though |
| 09:30.24 | ZorbaTHut | I have considered rigging up questhelper to refuse to run if you can't prove you have an alt of equal or higher level of that same faction, though. |
| 09:30.28 | Maldivia | and from experience I already know very optimized routes |
| 09:30.35 | nevcairiel | QuestHelper is the reason for millions of idiots asking where the easiest shit is, because they dont even bother reading anymore =P |
| 09:30.46 | ZorbaTHut | nev, no, the fact that they're idiots is the reason for that :P |
| 09:30.58 | nevcairiel | you dont have to support that! |
| 09:31.08 | ZorbaTHut | I don't, but I think the algorithm is fascinating :D |
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| 09:31.39 | nevcairiel | Northrend, Howling Fjords, General Chat -- every 5 mintes someone asks where they have to go for this one shadow-world quest, forgot its name |
| 09:31.42 | bleeter | nevcairiel: where's mankrik's wife? |
| 09:31.53 | nevcairiel | i never played horde |
| 09:31.54 | nevcairiel | so |
| 09:31.55 | nevcairiel | no idea .) |
| 09:32.01 | Punkie | same :P |
| 09:32.13 | ZorbaTHut | man, someone linked an achievement in chat - "find these books" - saying "where can I find them" |
| 09:32.19 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:32.20 | ZorbaTHut | the achievement text was "Find and read these four books in Dalaran" |
| 09:32.27 | ZorbaTHut | apparently it had not occured to him to *check Dalaran* |
| 09:32.29 | nevcairiel | there is even a worse one |
| 09:32.36 | bleeter | 'south of crossroads, over the bridge, right hand side of road behind bushes near some huts' |
| 09:32.41 | nevcairiel | for all those old books in scholomance etc |
| 09:32.44 | bleeter | thought everyone knew that, even pure allies |
| 09:33.49 | nevcairiel | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=1244 |
| 09:33.55 | nevcairiel | best achievement ever =P |
| 09:34.12 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: that achievement is HARD! |
| 09:34.26 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm surprised there's not AchievementHelper yet |
| 09:34.47 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 09:35.05 | nevcairiel | too bad we cant figure out which quests we actually already did |
| 09:35.13 | nevcairiel | i need a list of quests in Kalimdor to find <.< |
| 09:35.17 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: only one or two books are up at any time and at random places |
| 09:35.28 | ZorbaTHut | neuro, the hooks don't exist, apparently |
| 09:35.38 | ZorbaTHut | questhelper will do that once they do, and once I find the time to integrate it ;) |
| 09:35.54 | bleeter | nevcairiel: sometimes, with... creative.. use of language, you can get info on completed quests by asking GMs. But gotta be careful how you phrase the question as they don't give game hints ;) |
| 09:36.00 | ZorbaTHut | maldivia, he might've been having trouble with that, but he never responded to people saying "uh have you tried dalaran" |
| 09:36.17 | nevcairiel | bleeter: like, a comprehensive list of all kalimdor? |
| 09:36.27 | bleeter | nevcairiel: oh no, it'd be piecemeal |
| 09:36.29 | ZorbaTHut | bleeter, now I'm imagining rigging Questhelper so that it automatically submits GM petitions and tries to weasel quest data out of the GMs |
| 09:36.36 | ZorbaTHut | I'm pretty sure it's not possible, but the idea is hilarious |
| 09:36.49 | nevcairiel | they would ban your addon =P |
| 09:37.06 | ZorbaTHut | you think so? ;) |
| 09:37.16 | Neuro_Medivh | maybe you should rig it so that it sends a tell to anyone else in game running QuestHelper |
| 09:37.38 | Neuro_Medivh | "Hi, I am a fellow QuestHelp user, can you tell me where X is?" |
| 09:38.19 | Neuro_Medivh | that's the whole addon. instead of directing the user, it queries everyone else using QH till someone gives the right answer! Peer-to-Peer quest help! |
| 09:38.23 | ZorbaTHut | UnitOnTaxi is working great :D problem solved! |
| 09:38.25 | ZorbaTHut | neuro, that'd rock |
| 09:38.32 | ZorbaTHut | I'm actually kind of tempted to code that up and save it for April Fool's |
| 09:39.00 | Neuro_Medivh | try and sneak it into the real update, and just have it activate on 4/1 |
| 09:39.40 | ZorbaTHut | man, now I'm trying to imagine evil yet awesome things I could do |
| 09:40.03 | ZorbaTHut | set the objective of every single quest to "Kill Illidan (0/1)" |
| 09:40.08 | ZorbaTHut | or whatever the top raid boss is at that point |
| 09:40.33 | bleeter | "Give Bleeter your stuffs (0/1)" |
| 09:40.44 | zenzio | Frostmourne obtained (0/1) |
| 09:42.24 | ZorbaTHut | okay, so now that I've fixed the bug, I also have to figure out how to fix the database :/ |
| 09:42.58 | ZorbaTHut | ugh. |
| 09:44.33 | Neuro_Medivh | did UnitOnTaxi work? |
| 09:46.18 | Fisker- | why so banned bleeter ? |
| 09:46.57 | ZorbaTHut | neuro, seems to be working 100% perfectly |
| 09:47.15 | Lyn | anyone knows if you can kill (on 70) 50 dragon whelps in ubrs with shaman thunder + fire elemental? i want the jenkins title :D |
| 09:47.29 | ZorbaTHut | thanks to you and bleeter for the suggestion and help finding the actual code |
| 09:47.41 | Neuro_Medivh | ZorbaTHut: Excellent! That'll be $150, no checks pls. Can I get a billing address? |
| 09:47.42 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: no probs, glad to help :) |
| 09:47.51 | bleeter | I'm so cheap |
| 09:47.56 | ZorbaTHut | I shall be asking bleeter for help in the future ;) |
| 09:48.02 | bleeter | hahahah idiot :P |
| 09:48.13 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 09:48.14 | bleeter | was only pure chance I was able to assist |
| 09:48.22 | ZorbaTHut | but your rates are much better! |
| 09:48.24 | Fisker- | Asus update why do you hurt me so? |
| 09:48.33 | ZorbaTHut | in quality per dollar, it's . . . infinite! |
| 09:48.51 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, but 0/0 is still 0 |
| 09:48.57 | Neuro_Medivh | not infinity |
| 09:49.44 | ZorbaTHut | it's actually undefined. although 0^0 is largely agreed to be 1 |
| 09:49.56 | ZorbaTHut | (you'd be surprised how much research I've done on this topic) |
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| 09:50.06 | Fisker- | Anything^0 is 1 |
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| 09:50.20 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, but 0^anything is 0 |
| 09:50.26 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 09:50.30 | ZorbaTHut | 0^0 is kind of a special case. |
| 09:50.37 | Neuro_Medivh | it always is |
| 09:51.06 | Fisker- | Some math geeks decided that something^0 should give 1 |
| 09:51.08 | Neuro_Medivh | I was always told 0/0 is 0... but I could be misremembering shit |
| 09:51.12 | Fisker- | can't remember why >:E |
| 09:51.20 | Maldivia | lua> print(0/0) |
| 09:51.21 | lua_bot | Maldivia: nan |
| 09:51.40 | Neuro_Medivh | Fisker, it has to do with the way powers are constructed |
| 09:52.48 | Neuro_Medivh | x^1 = x, x^-1 = 1/x, and so x^0 = 1 |
| 09:53.52 | Neuro_Medivh | if I could remember my calc, I could probably show the formula proving it |
| 09:54.14 | Neuro_Medivh | I do know that .999~ = 1 though! |
| 09:54.26 | Arrowmaster | yay i think i can get a blizzcon polarbear mount! |
| 09:54.46 | nevcairiel | the big blizzard bear is kinda ugly, with that murloc holding the flag .. i didnt like it |
| 09:55.03 | Arrowmaster | its rare, i dont really care |
| 09:55.07 | Neuro_Medivh | they need a murloc mount |
| 09:55.11 | Arrowmaster | i like rare things |
| 09:55.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Tauren riding a murloc = win |
| 09:55.45 | Maldivia | that sounds dirty |
| 09:55.57 | leethal | Neuro_Medivh: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Divide_by_zero =/ |
| 10:00.58 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, there's a whole section on zero to the zero power |
| 10:03.41 | Lyn | whoray, fisker devided himself by zero |
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| 10:04.18 | ReAn | http://technologizer.com/2008/09/18/errormessage/ |
| 10:07.25 | Neuro_Medivh | I like the "Printer on fire" error |
| 10:10.55 | Thunder_Child | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:Rule34portal.jpg (NSFW) |
| 10:12.39 | bleeter | I miss Guru Meditation :( |
| 10:14.46 | Tentacled | Guru Medication ftw |
| 10:18.26 | ZorbaTHut | does anyone have a complete list of zones that have been expanded in Wrath? |
| 10:26.32 | nevcairiel | stormwind, epl |
| 10:26.33 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 10:26.47 | ZorbaTHut | that's it? okay cool 'cause the last person I talked to said "just stormwind" :P |
| 10:27.08 | nevcairiel | Thats the only map changes i noticed when updating Mapster |
| 10:27.21 | ZorbaTHut | righto. time to go find a conversion formula for epl |
| 10:32.26 | bleeter | holy cow, videolan finally released 0.9 last week. looks quite nice. |
| 10:36.44 | Thrae | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#220 |
| 10:37.17 | Ycarene | ? SYNTAX |
| 10:37.19 | Ycarene | ERROR |
| 10:37.21 | Ycarene | READY. |
| 10:37.49 | Ycarene | Heh, must have been reading the same article |
| 10:39.38 | Ycarene | No-one recognized that one? Damn, that makes me feel old. |
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| 10:40.07 | Ycarene | CoT too nev. |
| 10:40.28 | nevcairiel | not on the world map |
| 10:40.47 | Ycarene | Well, no... |
| 10:41.05 | bleeter | Ycarene: looks vaguely Vic20'ish |
| 10:41.05 | Ycarene | Nobody remembers "? SYNTAX ERROR"? |
| 10:41.09 | Ycarene | yEP |
| 10:41.27 | Ycarene | Used to have one, saw that error a lot. |
| 10:41.43 | bleeter | was fairly sure it was an 8bit beastie, couldn't be certain on which one though. |
| 10:42.32 | Ycarene | My parents bought it and let me play with it. Learned how to do a lot on that little machine. |
| 10:43.30 | Fisker- | isn't drums raidwide in wotlk btw? |
| 10:49.31 | Kalroth | yes |
| 10:58.09 | Lukian | bleeter, oh nice, looks they are well on the way to a 1.0 release :) |
| 11:02.55 | Lukian | new configuration UI is very welcome, but there's a lack of access to detailed alsa device list atm :( |
| 11:04.05 | Lukian | heh media library doesn't save :( |
| 11:07.37 | bleeter | Lukian: ALSA/OSS/PulseAudio can all go kiss my butt. I'm just.. annoyed.. that we're what 20 years after the Atari ST and Amiga 'showed the way'... etc. etc. </rant> |
| 11:07.54 | Lukian | bleeter, so what do you use? :p |
| 11:07.59 | bleeter | Lukian: sorry, you managed to push one of my few buttons hehe |
| 11:09.25 | bleeter | Lukian: on a good day, my main system has three sound cards. On a bad day, five or more. Having been brought up in audio production studios all I want is a friggen graphical patchbay ;) |
| 11:09.42 | bleeter | couldn't give a rats if it's OSS/ALSA/Pulse/Jack etc. |
| 11:09.50 | krka | what about jackd! |
| 11:09.56 | krka | right |
| 11:10.08 | krka | it's a bit of a pain atm :/ |
| 11:10.16 | bleeter | a BIT?? |
| 11:10.16 | krka | stealing eachothers resources and stuff |
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| 11:10.22 | Flisher | Boya! |
| 11:10.22 | Lukian | bleeter, me either, I was just commenting I couldn't access an option I was able to access in 0.8x :p |
| 11:10.33 | bleeter | I've been trying to do it, on and off, for around 10 years.... arhahjrharhagrharghargharghagarg |
| 11:10.52 | bleeter | I could just get.. non-lazy... about it and code the 'solution', I guess |
| 11:10.58 | bleeter | but I prefer bitching about it ;) |
| 11:11.32 | Flisher | is GnomeTank usually online during the day? |
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| 11:12.34 | bleeter | well, truth be told I do care if it's OSS/ALSA/Pulse/Jack, 'coz some of them (last time I tried) collapse in a screaming heap when you really try driving them hard in realtime |
| 11:15.02 | ZorbaTHut | I don't suppose anyone knows how the Astrolabe devs gathered their information? |
| 11:15.21 | Ycarene | HOLY CRAP! http://consumerist.com/5054482/man-sues-doctors-for-amputating-penis |
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| 11:29.48 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: you could try asking Esamynn|Away direct |
| 11:30.33 | Arrowmaster | its from the dbc files |
| 11:31.29 | bleeter | from memory, some trial and error too |
| 11:31.36 | bleeter | probably s/some/lots/ |
| 11:31.50 | ZorbaTHut | damn, I was hoping there was some magic button to do it |
| 11:32.13 | Arrowmaster | zone possition info is all in the dbc files |
| 11:32.34 | ZorbaTHut | well let's see if I can figure out how to extract it |
| 11:32.45 | ZorbaTHut | the latest version of astrolabe includes the stormwind coordinate update, but *not* the EPL update |
| 11:33.21 | bleeter | wonder if that's because the SW update goes live before the EPL update |
| 11:33.57 | bleeter | or does EPL map change in 3.0.1 before relase of Wrath? I dunno, ain't been on PTR |
| 11:34.10 | ZorbaTHut | man, I really, really, really hope the EPL map changes in 3.0.1 |
| 11:34.18 | ZorbaTHut | oh man. does anyone know the answer to this? |
| 11:35.11 | Arrowmaster | ive extracted all that info before but im kinda busy right now |
| 11:35.46 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, no problem. the idea that EPL might not change in 3.0.1 just threw a giant wrench into some plans. so I'm gonna have to find an answer to that one ASAP |
| 11:36.34 | bleeter | EPL might not have been added to Astrolabe yet because Esamynn|Away hasn't had time, and there's no immediate release. THat's also a possibility. |
| 11:37.01 | ZorbaTHut | unfortunately, I'm making an immediate release of a plugin that depends on Astrolabe |
| 11:37.18 | ZorbaTHut | so I need it working one way or another, and if that means sitting down and doing the calculations myself in my own version, that's what I'll be doing |
| 11:37.29 | sacarasc | ZorbaTHut: in the PTR we've got the new EPL map |
| 11:37.48 | ZorbaTHut | sacar, awesome, wrench removed. thanks :) clearly I need to rig up a PTR installation |
| 11:38.19 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: be aware that map sizes change in 3.0, too |
| 11:38.29 | bleeter | tohugh doubt it'll effect you |
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| 11:38.50 | ZorbaTHut | I'm hoping there's just one big change, 3.x |
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| 11:42.35 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: I'll do you a favour, and file an Astrolabe bug report regarding EPL.. worst that can happen is Esamynn|Away slaps me down :D |
| 11:42.42 | ZorbaTHut | hah, cool |
| 11:42.53 | ZorbaTHut | well, I'm going to be hacking something functional in on my own hopefully in the next half-hour anyway :) |
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| 11:50.40 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: ASTR-2 created :) |
| 11:50.53 | nevcairiel | second ticket ever? |
| 11:50.55 | nevcairiel | wut! |
| 11:51.05 | bleeter | yar, scary eh? ;) |
| 11:52.30 | bleeter | nevcairiel: what's even better, ticket #1 was actually a gatherer problem |
| 11:52.54 | bleeter | if I'm reading our jira correctly through my tired eyes |
| 11:57.16 | cladhaire | either I am the worst druid on earth.. this warlock that is my partner is terrible.. or we're just getting way over matched |
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| 11:57.35 | cladhaire | cause we've dropped 100 rating this morning alone. |
| 11:57.43 | nevcairiel | those reasons are not exclusive |
| 11:58.05 | cladhaire | I feel like I'm getting absolutely no assistance from him whatsoever |
| 11:58.17 | cladhaire | he can't peel worth a damn |
| 11:58.29 | nevcairiel | any particular oponents you always lose? |
| 11:58.32 | nevcairiel | or just overall bad? |
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| 12:01.02 | cladhaire | just overall bad |
| 12:01.10 | cladhaire | no death coil used ever.. every warlock has that.. right? |
| 12:01.24 | cladhaire | its pretty simple.. i always get the 9 seconds of cyclone off on one of the two |
| 12:01.30 | cladhaire | all he has to do is time a fear to land when it comes off. |
| 12:01.31 | cladhaire | fucking simple. |
| 12:01.59 | nevcairiel | haha yeah |
| 12:02.32 | cladhaire | but no, he can't figure it out. |
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| 12:02.36 | cladhaire | lock/druid is cake |
| 12:03.54 | Josh_Borke | apparently not ;-) |
| 12:08.40 | cladhaire | the other problem is getting above 1700 |
| 12:08.45 | cladhaire | cause at 1500 all you meet is boosterd |
| 12:08.59 | cladhaire | "Hey I'm 1400 rating with dual brutal weps.. whats up" |
| 12:09.16 | cladhaire | its fucking demoralizing |
| 12:09.44 | cladhaire | I KNOW |
| 12:09.49 | cladhaire | i can equip my charm of swift flight |
| 12:09.52 | cladhaire | that will solve everything! |
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| 12:11.39 | Josh_Borke | ~comfort cladhaire |
| 12:11.40 | purl | There, there, cladhaire. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:12.10 | Nathox | sf |
| 12:13.27 | cladhaire | thinking of respeccing http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0tMrzizsxzZZxVIzca0x |
| 12:13.37 | cladhaire | but i'd lose the stun |
| 12:17.56 | Fisker- | you should spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0 |
| 12:18.48 | cladhaire | win! |
| 12:20.10 | Fisker- | i want to kill you :( |
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| 12:25.03 | zenzio | interesting... got a table in Firefox where the bottom border (only visible border) between rows is stuck in place while the contents are being scrolled |
| 12:25.30 | Jennifer | Hey guys, Im trying to create a timer and im guessing i have to use GetTime() but then i would only get the time once then what? |
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| 12:26.12 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 12:26.12 | purl | ~pong |
| 12:28.02 | cladhaire | Jennifer: you don't use GetTime at all.. you just use an OnUpdate |
| 12:29.05 | Josh_Borke | local duration=5; local f=CreateFrame("Frame"); local total_elapsed=0; f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self, elapsed) total_elapsed=total_elapsed+elapsed; if total_elapsed > duration then total_elapsed = 0; <do stuff> end end) f:Show()- |
| 12:29.19 | Jennifer | woow thanks ;) |
| 12:31.59 | Josh_Borke | it's like, my favorite code snippet ever |
| 12:32.10 | doow | =) |
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| 12:33.29 | Ycarene | Are there classes in lua? |
| 12:33.38 | doow | Ycarene: kindof |
| 12:34.05 | doow | Ycarene: you can simulate classes with metatables |
| 12:34.26 | Ycarene | Hmmm, pointers? |
| 12:34.50 | Ycarene | Or does lua shield you from pointers? |
| 12:35.02 | doow | yes |
| 12:35.45 | doow | http://www.lua.org/pil/13.html |
| 12:36.36 | doow | not sure if that is the best introduction though |
| 12:37.58 | Ycarene | I'm guess, though, that this isn't a feature in the wow lua interpreter. |
| 12:38.53 | doow | I bet it is, can't promise anything, but probably (I have done very little lua for wow) |
| 12:39.16 | cbreak | there are variables and values, tables are reference values |
| 12:39.34 | doow | try getmetatable on some object that you get from the engine and print the results |
| 12:41.54 | Ycarene | Hmm, seems a little kludgy though. |
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| 12:43.38 | doow | The drawback is that you have to implement all oo functionality yourself, the advantage is that you can get it exactly the way you want it and only the features you want |
| 12:44.21 | doow | another drawback is that most every project will have oo that works slightly differently (the biggest problem imho) |
| 12:45.23 | Ycarene | I wonder if you could implement an interpreter for another language within lua that has the features you want. Like BASH shell scripting or something. |
| 12:45.38 | doow | probably =D |
| 12:45.41 | ZorbaTHut | lua's turing-complete, so, yes. you'd take a fascinating performance hit though |
| 12:46.01 | Ycarene | lol |
| 12:46.34 | doow | "fascinating" =) |
| 12:46.52 | ZorbaTHut | technically speaking you could implement a fully compliant C++ runtime interpreter in Lua |
| 12:46.54 | ZorbaTHut | I wouldn't *want* to |
| 12:46.59 | ZorbaTHut | but it's theoretically possible :) |
| 12:47.39 | Josh_Borke | you can use metatables in the wow lua interpreter |
| 12:48.00 | Josh_Borke | the entire Ace2 framework used metatables extensively for OO type programming |
| 12:48.40 | bleeter | Ycarene: there's lolcode interpreters for lua |
| 12:48.55 | bleeter | er. interpreter. singular. |
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| 12:50.22 | Ycarene | Heh, lolcode, sounds usefull. :P |
| 12:50.27 | Ycarene | *useful |
| 12:50.54 | doow | slightly more useful than Whitespace... |
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| 12:54.50 | Ycarene | Yeah... |
| 12:57.49 | bleeter | just can't do it in WoW because it requires an additional library that WoW doesn't have :( |
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| 12:58.14 | bleeter | writing addons in lolcode would be highly amusing ;) :P |
| 12:58.32 | bleeter | and probably IQ numbing haha |
| 12:58.38 | Lopeppeppy | I think I've seen those before.... |
| 12:59.15 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: you need the lpeg lua liprary thingie, not in wow by default |
| 12:59.20 | bleeter | library |
| 12:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | bah. |
| 13:02.36 | bleeter | so all we have to do is port http://www.inf.puc-rio.br/~roberto/lpeg.html ... |
| 13:02.51 | bleeter | ... or convince zoot and slouken of some compelling reason it really need to be put in |
| 13:02.52 | Lopeppeppy | What mean "we" ? |
| 13:03.18 | bleeter | sorry, as a subject of a constitutional monarchy, I have a habit of using the 'royal we' |
| 13:03.20 | Lopeppeppy | If anyone's going to convince s and z of something, it's gonna be you, I'll watch from behind the blast shield! |
| 13:03.31 | bleeter | or 'royal wee' as it's affectionately known |
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| 13:04.23 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: does the current pattern matcher suck? yes/no |
| 13:04.23 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 13:05.38 | bleeter | I'm not necessarily suggesting it as a replacement, just trying to find some kinda baseline to form my 'attack' on mwhahahah :P |
| 13:06.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'm the wrong gnome to help you invade LuaLand. Us Sprockets stick together. |
| 13:08.16 | doow | bleeter: you could always claim that it perverts our children, the "won't somebody _please_ think of the children?" attack |
| 13:08.26 | doow | you'll have to work a little on the details though |
| 13:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | When talking with gnomes, that line can be **extremely** counterproductive... |
| 13:10.09 | doow | What about, "it doesn't pervert the children nearly enough"? |
| 13:10.42 | bleeter | 'without it, explosives used against children have their damage reduced by over 9000!' |
| 13:13.20 | bleeter | I could always try the 'But SNOBOL *IS* cool... really!' approach |
| 13:13.52 | bleeter | that's suitably tangental |
| 13:13.58 | bleeter | won't see the lolcode coming |
| 13:14.04 | doow | =) |
| 13:15.06 | doow | I had actually forgotten that the goal was lolcode, I'm not sure I'm for this anymore |
| 13:15.27 | bleeter | well I'm not inviting you to the launch party, then! :P |
| 13:15.49 | doow | =( |
| 13:19.31 | doow | when are you planning on that btw? how long will it take to convince them that we need lpeg? |
| 13:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | 5 years. |
| 13:21.50 | doow | you mean at the launch of World of Warcraft 2: Worlds of Warcraft? |
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| 13:30.03 | doow | I find it interesting that we talk more lua in here than in #lua btw, when they talk programming there it's almost always c |
| 13:31.29 | Lopeppeppy | Such is fate. |
| 13:33.16 | Syzgyn | bleeter: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8889-BrainFwck.html :P |
| 13:33.39 | Syzgyn | not lolcode, but almost as amusing |
| 13:33.53 | bleeter | Syzgyn: yeah, I was gunna convert that to OOK! for the WoWInterface kite competition, but didn't |
| 13:34.13 | doow | Syzgyn: haha |
| 13:46.36 | Atriace | ~seen Beladona |
| 13:46.39 | purl | beladona <n=Beladona@24.129.136.26> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 15d 21h 5m 1s ago, saying: 'which is nice'. |
| 13:47.20 | Atriace | Anybody know where Beladona disappeared to? |
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| 13:48.40 | cbreak | extending wow is done in lua |
| 13:48.45 | cbreak | extending lua is done in c |
| 13:48.49 | cbreak | (or others :) |
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| 13:50.21 | Lopeppeppy | Atriace, I assume where everyone has. Combo of RL and beta/PTR/testing/authoring/updating. |
| 13:51.07 | Atriace | I'm sensing Beladona isn't the only one to have disappeared recently? |
| 13:54.07 | Lopeppeppy | Look around ya, dropping like flies!!! |
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| 14:25.04 | Atriace_ | ~ping |
| 14:25.05 | purl | ~pong |
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| 14:39.23 | Lopeppeppy | Random question: anyone know the HTML code for a spanish accented n? Such as found in proper names like Nunoz? |
| 14:41.20 | zenzelezz | off the top of my head I think it's ñ but let me check |
| 14:42.21 | zenzelezz | yup. N for capital, n for lowercase |
| 14:43.16 | zenzelezz | that's ok, you can keep it. They don't sell well anymore |
| 14:43.18 | Lopeppeppy | You just probably got this newsletter to be published on time, zenzelezz. I'm very grateful to you. |
| 14:43.22 | Maldivia | just type Ñ and ñ in the file, and mark it as UTF-8 ? |
| 14:43.49 | Lopeppeppy | Not working with our HTML mailer, Maldivia. |
| 14:44.02 | Maldivia | ahh ok |
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| 15:02.04 | Jennifer | I have a button that i set to SetFrameLevel(1) so it receives mouse clicks, but now my fontstring is below the button and the font string cant do SetFrameLevel(2), What should i do? |
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| 15:05.49 | p3lim | haste: any breaking diffrences to layouts in 1.2? |
| 15:06.13 | haste | yes, :Spawn was changed |
| 15:06.31 | haste | and the 1._2_ indicates that a breaking change was made |
| 15:06.36 | haste | should be rather obvious now :p |
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| 15:14.23 | cladhaire | yay for the spawn change |
| 15:14.56 | Fisker- | what spawn change? |
| 15:15.17 | cladhaire | in ouf of course |
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| 15:16.36 | Lopeppeppy | Spawn!!! |
| 15:18.22 | AckisWork | I wonder if my boss will realize the sign of "my office is cleaned out" before I've actually resigned? |
| 15:19.26 | Jennifer | I have to set my button FrameLevel to 2 or Strata to high to make it clickable but then my fontstring hides below it how can i fix this please? |
| 15:20.07 | Lopeppeppy | AckisWork, sending hints? |
| 15:20.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, *now* amazon offers release day shipping on Wrath |
| 15:20.54 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: told HR that I'm going to be moving on as my rehabilitation in my old job wasn't working out, have been looking for a job for the past few weeks, and anything I do work wise is "wrong" now so meh |
| 15:21.40 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 15:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | "4) Cancel this portion of your order" |
| 15:21.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ... no! |
| 15:22.15 | Lopeppeppy | No! |
| 15:22.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got the CE in there :( |
| 15:23.07 | Josh_Borke | i want CE :-( |
| 15:23.22 | Lopeppeppy | I have the CE on order, if I have to wait a few days for shipping, I have to wait. I'm NOT canceling. |
| 15:23.38 | Lopeppeppy | Try calling their customer service line, ScytheBlade1. |
| 15:23.49 | Lyn | anyone knows good gnome names (male)? :x |
| 15:23.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I selected next day shipping because it was surprisingly cheap, but this release day shipping is half of that price.. |
| 15:24.42 | Josh_Borke | i guess i missed the CE deadline :-( |
| 15:25.08 | Seerah | no more CEs? |
| 15:25.20 | nevcairiel | I never saw one EU shop offer CEs yet |
| 15:25.25 | Seerah | Lyn: what class? |
| 15:25.33 | Lyn | warlock |
| 15:26.00 | Josh_Borke | i found the amazon link for the CE but it redirects me to the standard |
| 15:26.04 | Josh_Borke | with no option to be notified |
| 15:26.30 | Seerah | Lyn: Deadbolt |
| 15:26.32 | Lyn | they deleted the collectors edition from german amazon |
| 15:26.33 | Lyn | lol |
| 15:26.59 | Lyn | Seerah, shouldnt be some "deadXXX" or "horrorXXX" or something like that.. more real or roleplay style |
| 15:27.18 | Seerah | it was more deadbolt the lock :P |
| 15:27.24 | nevcairiel | Lyn: they did? there was this "notify me when its out" before :( |
| 15:27.34 | Lyn | me too |
| 15:27.36 | Lyn | but now its gone |
| 15:27.49 | Lyn | no notify |
| 15:27.51 | Lyn | just gone |
| 15:27.54 | Lyn | shit site |
| 15:28.01 | nevcairiel | I should go to one of those midnight sales and hope to get one =P |
| 15:28.10 | Lyn | i ordered mine on another site... but dunno if they send one to me |
| 15:28.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ amazon descriptions |
| 15:28.28 | sb | [Ammo]: *ping* - again :p |
| 15:28.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King Collector's Edition [CD-ROM] [DVD-ROM]" |
| 15:28.50 | Seerah | Lyn: how about Reginald? :P |
| 15:29.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I sense a bit of amgiguity |
| 15:29.05 | Lyn | no.. |
| 15:29.07 | Lyn | :x |
| 15:29.08 | Lopeppeppy | Last time, the CE had both, ScytheBlade1. |
| 15:29.11 | Seerah | hehe |
| 15:29.19 | ScytheBlade1 | The first part is in the link |
| 15:29.22 | ScytheBlade1 | The second is not |
| 15:29.22 | sb | hmm its only DVD this time |
| 15:29.30 | Lyn | moo.. |
| 15:29.33 | sb | CE and standard |
| 15:29.36 | sb | no cd anymore |
| 15:29.49 | nevcairiel | its like 6GB of data |
| 15:29.54 | nevcairiel | thats like 10 cds |
| 15:30.11 | Lyn | Seerah, i can also call it "Foshizzle" haha |
| 15:30.25 | Seerah | you can call it Foshizzle but not Deadbolt? :P |
| 15:30.27 | sb | download only would also be ok to me ;) |
| 15:30.35 | Lyn | that was irony |
| 15:31.14 | Lyn | i have saved some cool female names... but my lock is male, damnit |
| 15:31.45 | Seerah | I still like Deadbolt :) I may use it in the future. my female lock (human) is Midnighte |
| 15:32.17 | morkii | does maul come on here? |
| 15:32.30 | Seerah | ~seen Maul |
| 15:32.33 | purl | maul <n=maul@catv5403B00C.pool.t-online.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 94d 22h 56m 44s ago, saying: 'and annma'. |
| 15:32.41 | morkii | probably not him then |
| 15:34.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, so if you have your order through amazon on either 1 or 2 day shipping, that will automatically be changed into release date shipping |
| 15:35.01 | ScytheBlade1 | For anyone who may be in the same boat |
| 15:35.32 | AckisWork | ScytheBlade1: just give me your CE |
| 15:35.33 | Fisker- | you shouldn't have bought it from Amazon |
| 15:35.34 | Fisker- | oh noes |
| 15:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | AckisWork: no |
| 15:35.42 | Seerah | we hadn't even ordered yet |
| 15:36.28 | Fisker- | i'd never ever purchase from amazon again given what happened at TBC launch |
| 15:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It's either them or GamesStop. |
| 15:36.54 | nevcairiel | I got my TBC at launch day, like anything else i purchased at Amazon |
| 15:36.58 | nevcairiel | wonder what people want |
| 15:36.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And that extra $14 they're charging can die. |
| 15:37.00 | ScytheBlade1 | *$15 |
| 15:37.12 | Syzgyn | Got mine at Walmart night of, no issues |
| 15:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. It looks like I'll spend less on shipping than I would on gas with amazon :P |
| 15:39.01 | ScytheBlade1 | win @ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_re_as/as_china_space_article_1 |
| 15:39.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "BEIJING - A news story describing a successful launch of China's long-awaited space mission and including detailed dialogue between astronauts launched on the Internet Thursday, hours before the rocket had even left the ground." |
| 15:39.32 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
| 15:39.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing quite like propoganda |
| 15:39.44 | Lopeppeppy | I mean, I know these things are *always* prepared ahead of time. |
| 15:40.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. Detailed dialogue between astronauts is rehersed. |
| 15:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | But to release it early. *laugh* |
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| 15:43.22 | Syzgyn | Man, people are really bad at strand of the ancients right now :P |
| 15:44.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man. Looking forward to what they do with this series of comics. http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
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| 15:45.39 | Syzgyn | Yep :) |
| 15:46.22 | Fisker- | first episode failed |
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| 15:46.27 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: you say that like dialog on US space flights has never been rehearsed for propaganda purposes :P |
| 15:47.10 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: you missed my 'point' - something tells me that the author(s) of that article never once heard the astronauts in question |
| 15:48.34 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: ohhh, I just thought it was a poor translation of 'conversation' and 'dialog' :P |
| 15:48.59 | bleeter | given how badly formed the entire sentence is, it just screams poor translation |
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| 15:55.40 | smcn | awww |
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| 16:03.45 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: lol, I clicked on 'your' thread just now. heh |
| 16:04.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Too slow! ;) |
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| 16:06.24 | kamdis | eh |
| 16:06.30 | kamdis | i dun care if YOU have my AIM info |
| 16:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have aim :) |
| 16:06.42 | kamdis | see :) |
| 16:06.56 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: just stack +hit |
| 16:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:07.03 | kamdis | Ish still hasn't IMed me though, LOL. |
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| 16:15.47 | Syzgyn | Mixology is finally working |
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| 16:16.14 | Syzgyn | 45 haste elixir gives me 61 haste, and lasts for 2 hours |
| 16:16.33 | nevcairiel | wait, elixirs last longer with mixology too? |
| 16:16.34 | nevcairiel | nice |
| 16:16.50 | Syzgyn | Yeap |
| 16:17.04 | nevcairiel | they should make elixirs persist through death with mixology =P |
| 16:17.09 | Syzgyn | If only :P |
| 16:17.15 | Syzgyn | Flasks last longer too at least |
| 16:17.19 | nevcairiel | but 4 hour flask |
| 16:17.21 | nevcairiel | nice indeed |
| 16:17.34 | Syzgyn | Is it 4? |
| 16:17.37 | Syzgyn | niiice |
| 16:17.51 | sb | mh |
| 16:17.52 | nevcairiel | just drank one |
| 16:18.06 | nevcairiel | Hm is potion sickness still in btw? |
| 16:18.09 | sb | so alchemist got 4h flasks!? |
| 16:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | asdf |
| 16:18.16 | nevcairiel | sb: ya |
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| 16:18.19 | sb | wtf :) |
| 16:18.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll make me drop one of my professions on my mage for alch :( |
| 16:18.26 | Syzgyn | Any that you're able to make, yes |
| 16:18.32 | sb | but i have to drop alchemy to learn inscription |
| 16:18.35 | sb | mhhhh |
| 16:18.39 | Syzgyn | What class? |
| 16:18.43 | sb | priest |
| 16:18.55 | Syzgyn | I dunno how awesome the priest glyphs are |
| 16:19.04 | sb | i need 4 of them :p |
| 16:19.07 | cbreak | can't you just buy glyphs? or ask a guild mate? |
| 16:19.07 | kamdis | thank god all the years of crap alchemy is finally going to pay off |
| 16:19.13 | kamdis | yes |
| 16:19.18 | Syzgyn | I know right? |
| 16:19.52 | Syzgyn | I wonder if the research thing will let you discover BC stuff eventually |
| 16:20.03 | kamdis | hmm |
| 16:20.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I hope they just let you train all of it :P |
| 16:20.16 | kamdis | training seems more likely |
| 16:20.20 | Syzgyn | Either or |
| 16:20.22 | sb | are you sure that flasks are only 2h without alchemy profession? |
| 16:20.23 | kamdis | given historical precendent |
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| 16:20.29 | Syzgyn | Yes... |
| 16:20.32 | sb | perhaps all flasks got changed :o |
| 16:20.34 | sb | mhhh... |
| 16:20.36 | sb | sucks then :/ |
| 16:20.52 | sb | have to re-evaulate that inscription vs. alchemy thingie :) |
| 16:21.08 | nevcairiel | remember also a 30-50% bonus on the flasks effect |
| 16:21.19 | Syzgyn | I know for a warrior, its so not worth getting inscription |
| 16:21.22 | sb | uh? 30-50? |
| 16:21.24 | Syzgyn | all our glyphs suck ass |
| 16:21.26 | Syzgyn | ummm |
| 16:21.44 | sb | i thought it was 30 spellpower -> 35spellpower or something like that |
| 16:21.55 | Syzgyn | lua> 61/45 |
| 16:21.56 | lua_bot | Syzgyn: 1.3555555555556 |
| 16:22.05 | Syzgyn | 35% increase |
| 16:22.05 | nevcairiel | Flask of Blinding Light gave 103 spell power (29% gain) |
| 16:22.11 | nevcairiel | Flask of Mighty Restoration gave 38mp/5 (50% gain) |
| 16:22.12 | Syzgyn | for the pot I just used |
| 16:22.23 | sb | good thing then *sigh* :p |
| 16:22.42 | sb | mhh, going to be some hard decision |
| 16:22.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that'll be nerfed |
| 16:23.15 | nevcairiel | its not that much of a gain |
| 16:23.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Does it do potions too? |
| 16:23.26 | nevcairiel | considering enchanter get ring enchants |
| 16:23.28 | Syzgyn | No |
| 16:23.33 | Syzgyn | Elixirs and flasks only |
| 16:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, then maybe |
| 16:23.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Just maybe |
| 16:23.44 | nevcairiel | potions is still alchemy stone |
| 16:23.51 | Syzgyn | Yea |
| 16:24.08 | sb | nevcairiel: well, its 100% duration, so you need only 50% reagents / raid |
| 16:24.15 | Syzgyn | Its nice how not-laggy the server is right now :) |
| 16:24.15 | nevcairiel | sb: ya |
| 16:24.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah |
| 16:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | +heal and +mana on potions is weak |
| 16:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm thinking of the +400 haste rating potion we've seen |
| 16:25.06 | nevcairiel | ya those arent buffed by the stone |
| 16:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | If they were that'd be 560 haste |
| 16:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I dunno, +35% effect on flasks is still... a lot |
| 16:26.27 | Syzgyn | Thats a potion though |
| 16:26.28 | Syzgyn | no change |
| 16:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes I know |
| 16:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence my earlier question |
| 16:26.41 | ScytheBlade1 | 12:23 < ScytheBlade1> Does it do potions too? |
| 16:26.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Which you answered ;) |
| 16:26.48 | Syzgyn | :P |
| 16:26.57 | nevcairiel | Well, 30 more spell dmg through the flask, or 2x 20 spell dmg on ring as enchants |
| 16:27.03 | nevcairiel | shrug |
| 16:27.06 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: or both |
| 16:27.11 | nevcairiel | well sure |
| 16:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I have actual reason to drop tailoring now :( |
| 16:27.41 | nevcairiel | Isnt the tailoring set OP like T7.25 now? |
| 16:27.59 | nevcairiel | and you get carpets |
| 16:28.00 | Syzgyn | Plus OMGCarpet! |
| 16:28.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I also have a CE Hippogryph :P |
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| 16:29.39 | Syzgyn | So? |
| 16:29.49 | Syzgyn | Hm |
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| 16:30.05 | Syzgyn | Since mounts are spells, I wonder if you can learn a carpet, drop tailoring, and still use it? |
| 16:30.12 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 16:30.26 | Syzgyn | yeah, you're probably right |
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| 16:30.33 | nevcairiel | would be the same for engineering |
| 16:30.47 | AckisWork | Syzgyn: I was thinking that for engineering, but look at the wintersveil mini-pets they still need a snowball |
| 16:30.48 | nevcairiel | and i doubt they didnt make sure that wouldnt work |
| 16:31.02 | Syzgyn | They dont become spells thouch Ackis |
| 16:31.33 | AckisWork | they don't? |
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| 16:31.43 | AckisWork | the item is removed and they're added to your mini-pet tab |
| 16:31.55 | Syzgyn | Really? |
| 16:31.58 | Syzgyn | Thats new then |
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| 16:32.07 | AckisWork | it was a bug when they didn't |
| 16:32.09 | nevcairiel | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=21301 |
| 16:32.12 | Syzgyn | Ah |
| 16:32.13 | nevcairiel | says it does |
| 16:32.18 | Syzgyn | Ok |
| 16:32.51 | AckisWork | easy to test though, get a normal engineering mount and transfer your toon to PTR |
| 16:33.11 | nevcairiel | I have one on my warr, could test it 0P |
| 16:34.37 | p3lim | cladhaire: did you write the new change to oUF? |
| 16:34.48 | cladhaire | no, but its my fault :P |
| 16:34.49 | cladhaire | why |
| 16:34.55 | p3lim | why is it your fault? :p |
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| 16:35.07 | nevcairiel | he slapped haste into submission |
| 16:35.42 | cladhaire | I'm the one who needed this change |
| 16:35.44 | cladhaire | and the next few that are coming |
| 16:35.47 | cladhaire | for my layout |
| 16:35.54 | morkii | is there a doublewide type thing that works for ptr/beta? |
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| 16:36.01 | nevcairiel | doublewide doesnt work? |
| 16:36.07 | p3lim | ok, then you could probably answer this question: |
| 16:36.12 | p3lim | is there any breaking changes? |
| 16:36.13 | morkii | I didn't try it doesnt say it does on wowi like the others |
| 16:36.24 | nevcairiel | should work, try it |
| 16:36.27 | morkii | ok |
| 16:36.59 | cladhaire | p3lim: Shouldn't be unless you used the isPet arg to spawn |
| 16:37.26 | p3lim | I dont, but some layouts do (like tekkub) |
| 16:37.36 | cladhaire | they'll need to adjust |
| 16:37.44 | p3lim | another question then: why did you need such a big change? |
| 16:38.14 | cladhaire | so I can spawn party frames with attached pet/target frams |
| 16:39.14 | cladhaire | which I do both of |
| 16:39.27 | p3lim | ah nice |
| 16:39.41 | p3lim | do you have your layout published somewhere? |
| 16:41.09 | cladhaire | not yet, no |
| 16:41.17 | p3lim | ok |
| 16:41.18 | cladhaire | it'll be when I have it finished. |
| 16:41.20 | cladhaire | oUF_Arena |
| 16:41.27 | cladhaire | for haeling |
| 16:41.32 | p3lim | may I have a look at it though? :) |
| 16:42.08 | p3lim | pre-view, snippet of the layout code, or something like that |
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| 16:42.57 | haste | I've already answered that p3lim |
| 16:43.01 | haste | it's considered a breaking chane |
| 16:43.24 | p3lim | ah didnt see |
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| 16:43.52 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ada7c79b792d3ac5cff15f3dbaab11e8.png is without things being skinned |
| 16:43.57 | cladhaire | i.e. the pet frame isn't skinned right |
| 16:44.00 | cladhaire | and there's some layout issues |
| 16:44.06 | cladhaire | and the partytarget frames aren't in there |
| 16:44.09 | cladhaire | and the visual is still lily |
| 16:44.10 | p3lim | ah based on Lily |
| 16:44.22 | cladhaire | at the moment, yet |
| 16:44.27 | cladhaire | just cause it had the elements i wanted |
| 16:44.54 | kamdis | that's pretty clad |
| 16:44.58 | p3lim | so now you can spawn party pets that is pre-anchored to the right party unit? |
| 16:45.04 | cladhaire | yep |
| 16:45.07 | cladhaire | they show/hide correctly |
| 16:45.08 | p3lim | neat! |
| 16:45.14 | cladhaire | and they'll have partytarget frames as well |
| 16:45.19 | p3lim | very very nice |
| 16:45.35 | cladhaire | I'd like to make the castbar element a bit more flexible |
| 16:45.41 | p3lim | could i look at your spawn code btw? |
| 16:45.49 | p3lim | (pastey or something) |
| 16:45.50 | cladhaire | I'd like to have a single font string that does Flash Heal (0.5) |
| 16:46.25 | p3lim | using inherited font icons in that text to show spell textures? |
| 16:46.41 | cladhaire | no, its just a castbar icon |
| 16:46.42 | p3lim | cause thats not a bad idea |
| 16:46.47 | p3lim | ah ok |
| 16:47.06 | cladhaire | http://cladhaire.pastey.net/96736 |
| 16:47.07 | cladhaire | is the spawn |
| 16:47.17 | p3lim | the party castbar is on top of the health bar? |
| 16:47.18 | cladhaire | nothing special |
| 16:47.25 | cladhaire | the cast icon/name/time is |
| 16:47.29 | cladhaire | the bar/spark is on the uf |
| 16:47.50 | cladhaire | debuffs for party are anchored bottom left |
| 16:47.59 | cladhaire | so the bottomright of the previous frame is free to show the cast info |
| 16:48.18 | Atriace_ | lua> a = {}; table.insert(a, "foofunc"); table.insert(a, "b"); function foofunc(varB) if varB=="b" then print("hello world"); end end _G[a[1]](a[2]) |
| 16:48.18 | lua_bot | Atriace_: hello world |
| 16:48.20 | cladhaire | still needs lots of layout visual work |
| 16:48.26 | cladhaire | just wante dto get support for it in oUF |
| 16:48.26 | Atriace_ | Hallelujah! |
| 16:49.23 | p3lim | hm is that the spawn for the ufs in the image you just posted? |
| 16:50.11 | cladhaire | yep |
| 16:50.27 | p3lim | hm I dont see where one would toggle party pets/targets tho' |
| 16:50.32 | p3lim | in that snippet |
| 16:51.00 | cladhaire | you specify the template |
| 16:51.13 | p3lim | ok |
| 16:51.15 | cladhaire | thats where the frames are spawned from |
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| 16:52.25 | p3lim | ait |
| 16:53.17 | Atriace | lua> a = "\"1\", \"2\""; print(a) |
| 16:53.17 | lua_bot | Atriace: "1", "2" |
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| 16:54.24 | cladhaire | http://cladhaire.pastey.net/96738 template |
| 16:55.15 | cladhaire | p3lim: ^^ |
| 16:55.33 | p3lim | oh xml |
| 16:56.04 | cladhaire | has to be done in xml as far as I can tell |
| 16:56.24 | cladhaire | but the frame can be positioned in the skin func |
| 16:58.10 | p3lim | ok |
| 16:58.18 | p3lim | Ill have to take a closer look later on |
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| 17:14.43 | smcn | aw |
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| 17:21.15 | p3lim | hm wondering, who attacked bolvar and saurfang at the wrath gate? |
| 17:21.23 | p3lim | was that sylvannas or not? |
| 17:21.27 | foxlit | no |
| 17:21.34 | foxlit | although nice mask |
| 17:22.00 | foxlit | (and saurfang was kind of dead to begin with) |
| 17:22.16 | kd3 | that's some newly-created member of the RAS |
| 17:22.44 | foxlit | who do the alliance kill, actually? |
| 17:22.55 | foxlit | Never heard of... her? him? it? |
| 17:22.58 | kd3 | some random worm in the tunnels and then that guy |
| 17:23.07 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Battle_For_The_Undercity_(Alliance) |
| 17:26.17 | foxlit | There's no followup on the alliance side? |
| 17:26.39 | kd3 | unless they added something this build, varian saying "go conquer northrend in my name" is as far as he goes |
| 17:26.42 | foxlit | Thrall sits around and sulks for a bit after Jaina ports people. |
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| 17:27.28 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, the world server been crashing a lot this patch? |
| 17:27.41 | Neuro_Medivh | (beta) |
| 17:27.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: .. when is it not? |
| 17:27.55 | Jelly-School | ~hug Kamdis AND Peppy |
| 17:27.56 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Kamdis AND Peppy and suddenly hugs Kamdis AND Peppy tightly |
| 17:27.56 | Neuro_Medivh | well, ya got me there =) |
| 17:28.27 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly-School, did you get the PM I sent you yesterday, or was it lost as you went back and forth? |
| 17:28.45 | Jelly-School | Guess I lost it :( |
| 17:30.01 | smcn | jack thompson disbarred at long last |
| 17:30.14 | Atriace | Question: is it possible to confine multiple function parameters into a string variable (e.g., a = "\"1\", \"2\""; function(a)) |
| 17:30.37 | Atriace | I know that exact exampled method doesn't work, but I need *some* method to do it. |
| 17:31.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Atriace: ... so.. you want to put multiple variables.. into a single variable? |
| 17:31.37 | Atriace | More to the point, I want multiple function parameters coming from one variable. |
| 17:32.13 | NightHawkTheSane | the closest thing would be to assemble them into a single string/table, pass that into the function, and split it out again after. but that seems like far more overhead than just passing multiple parameters. |
| 17:32.51 | Atriace | ah, with one catch: the splitting has to be outside of the target function. |
| 17:33.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ... what? |
| 17:33.21 | Atriace | this would be the target function: function(var1, var2, var3) stuff; end |
| 17:33.41 | foxlit | I think what NightHawkTheSane meant was "Why?" |
| 17:33.47 | foxlit | As in, "Why would you need to do that?" |
| 17:34.15 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yeah, that too. |
| 17:35.29 | ddsmith | alt_function( tbl) return function( tbl[1], tbl[2], tbl[3]) |
| 17:35.36 | Atriace | I've written a time-delayed function caller. You pass the function the name and arguments you want called at a later date and at regular intervals, the function checks whether its time to call X functions. However, in its current form, it can only pass 1 function parameter since the generic makeup of the call is _G[delayedCalls.functionName](delayedCalls.parameters) |
| 17:36.59 | Atriace | I tried escaping the quotes and putting multiple parameters into the single var "delayedCalls.parameters" (such as "\"1\", \"2\"") but it still gets read as one param |
| 17:38.06 | Atriace | Makes sense? |
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| 17:39.35 | foxlit | Allow me to repeat the "why", this time at why you'd want to pass multiple parameters, and whether there are any sane limits to the parameters you want to pass |
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| 17:39.43 | foxlit | That can't be good. |
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| 17:40.01 | kneeki | wooo |
| 17:40.03 | kneeki | haha |
| 17:40.07 | Atriace | SPAM |
| 17:40.09 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 17:41.09 | Atriace | foxlit: because most of my functions have multiple parameters. Sometimes up to 6. |
| 17:41.29 | Atriace | At least the ones that are using the time-delayed function are. |
| 17:41.45 | foxlit | Rewrite them so that the ones you need to time-delay don't need multiple parameters? |
| 17:41.54 | Atriace | eh... |
| 17:42.33 | foxlit | function unfold(t, n, i) if n == i then return t[i]; end return t[i], unfold(t, n, i+1); end |
| 17:42.44 | Atriace | Well... that would work, but it doesn't address the issue. Realize that this is a generic function for calling any function after pre-defined "X" time passes. It needs to be generic and work with any function. |
| 17:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, the cutscene is really well done with how it plays out in game |
| 17:42.52 | foxlit | foldedParams, n = {...}, select("#", ...) |
| 17:43.04 | foxlit | callFunction(unfold(foldedParams, n, 1)) |
| 17:43.29 | foxlit | I find it odd that they mixed yet another cutscene style into the game |
| 17:44.04 | foxlit | We're now up to 3: cinematic intro, game-engine camera control and this machinima-smelling thing. |
| 17:44.14 | Industrial | MACHINIMA, IN MY WOW? |
| 17:44.22 | Industrial | i hate machinima |
| 17:44.37 | Industrial | its like.. |
| 17:44.45 | Industrial | please pollute the internet more with worthless shit. |
| 17:46.09 | Sixen | " |
| 17:46.09 | Sixen | If you don't have the space, delete some porn. " |
| 17:46.10 | Sixen | Ahahahahahahahah |
| 17:46.25 | ddsmith | Atriace... you still here? |
| 17:46.31 | Atriace | I am, indeed. |
| 17:46.49 | Atriace | Just reading over foxlit's code. |
| 17:46.59 | ddsmith | There is a special function, like APPLY in LISP but on the args side. |
| 17:47.06 | ddsmith | unpack |
| 17:47.22 | foxlit | ddsmith: there's also a very specific reason I didn't use it :) |
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| 17:47.47 | ddsmith | just use f(unpack(yourArgList)) |
| 17:47.58 | foxlit | It'll break, since unpack is array-based |
| 17:48.20 | Atriace | mmm... unless... |
| 17:48.23 | foxlit | >>> print(unpack({1, 2, nil, 4}) |
| 17:48.29 | foxlit | lua> print(unpack({1, 2, nil, 4}) |
| 17:48.30 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 17:48.34 | foxlit | lua> print(unpack({1, 2, nil, 4})) |
| 17:48.34 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1, 2, nil, 4 |
| 17:48.38 | ddsmith | So? He puts the parameter in a table and then applies... |
| 17:48.40 | foxlit | damn you, luabot :) |
| 17:49.29 | Atriace | Unless you split the argument string and place the splits into a subtable of the original parameters var. Then unpack to the function call's args! Oh brilliant. |
| 17:49.32 | foxlit | Or perhaps it isn't infobot. I was under the impression that unpack walks over the array portion of the table, terminating at a nil if the array contains it |
| 17:50.32 | ddsmith | unpack takes a single arg, and returns it's contents as multiple values |
| 17:50.58 | foxlit | It's not _what_ it does, it's _how_ it does it I'm unsure of |
| 17:51.02 | Atriace | I thought it returned an array into multiple vars? |
| 17:51.25 | foxlit | More or less the same thing. |
| 17:51.44 | Atriace | pardon the following (spammesque but not): |
| 17:51.45 | Atriace | unpack (list [, i [, j]]) |
| 17:51.45 | Atriace | Returns the elements from the given table. This function is equivalent to |
| 17:51.45 | Atriace | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.46 | Atriace | except that the above code can be written only for a fixed number of elements. By default, i is 1 and j is the length of the list, as defined by the length operator (see §2.5.5). |
| 17:52.12 | foxlit | lua> print(unpack({1, nil, nil, nil})); |
| 17:52.13 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1 |
| 17:52.17 | foxlit | where did my nils go? |
| 17:52.23 | ddsmith | It RETURNs multiple values... what happens to them (the left hand side ... ) is outside the scope of UNPACK |
| 17:53.01 | ddsmith | lua bot was hungry |
| 17:53.18 | foxlit | No, that's really HOW unpack works |
| 17:53.31 | foxlit | The nil values aren't preserved in the table, so it has no idea they exist |
| 17:53.47 | ddsmith | Sounds good... |
| 17:54.11 | ddsmith | So when that list is the args to a 4 arg function it will get nils |
| 17:54.22 | ddsmith | Just as intended |
| 17:54.31 | foxlit | Not thinking far enough :) |
| 17:54.41 | foxlit | function f(...) if select("#", ...) then error("fail"); end end |
| 17:54.52 | foxlit | s/then/~= 4 then/ |
| 17:54.53 | Atriace | lua> a = { "a", "b", nil, "c", }; print(unpack(a)); |
| 17:54.54 | lua_bot | Atriace: a, b, nil, c |
| 17:55.16 | Atriace | that was unexpected. |
| 17:56.54 | ddsmith | What did youi expect? |
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| 17:58.20 | Atriace | just a, b |
| 17:58.36 | Atriace | at the most, a, b, c |
| 17:58.57 | Kirov | why? |
| 17:59.08 | ddsmith | Yes, why? |
| 17:59.23 | Atriace | I thought unpack read until it found nil. |
| 17:59.43 | ddsmith | unpack takes arg and returns its contents as values... |
| 18:00.07 | ddsmith | Actually doesn't "read"... |
| 18:00.50 | ddsmith | In your example it gets 1 argument, a list, and returns the elements of the list as Values. |
| 18:01.45 | ddsmith | it does return a[1], a[2], a[3], a[4] |
| 18:01.52 | foxlit | No, it doesn't |
| 18:01.59 | ddsmith | ? |
| 18:02.13 | foxlit | what if a has 5 entries? |
| 18:02.17 | Atriace | well, it read a[3], didn't it? |
| 18:02.25 | foxlit | Then it does return a[1], a[2], a[3], a[4], a[5]? |
| 18:02.39 | foxlit | 6...9001? That's a heck of an if case to decide what to do :) |
| 18:03.03 | ddsmith | Yes... I was skeaing of his example... that is why I used his variable "a"... |
| 18:03.15 | Atriace | skeaing = speaking |
| 18:04.12 | ddsmith | To quote the Lua 5.1 manual... |
| 18:04.17 | ddsmith | A special function with multiple returns is unpack. |
| 18:04.32 | ddsmith | It receives an array and returns as results all elements from the array, starting from index 1: |
| 18:04.47 | cladhaire | unpack()'s behavior is UNDEFINED if the table violates the requirements if what an "Array" is in Lua parlance |
| 18:04.49 | ddsmith | QED |
| 18:04.51 | Atriace | It seems to me it runs the length of the list as defined by the length operator. So, no, if a[5] were nil, it wouldn't read it, but since a[4] had a value, it counted a[3] as part of the list. |
| 18:04.57 | cladhaire | ddsmith: yes, and your'e still not listening. |
| 18:05.15 | cladhaire | the length operator is undefined in non-arrays |
| 18:05.18 | cladhaire | hence the probnlem |
| 18:05.33 | Atriace | wha? a is an array, though, isn't it? |
| 18:05.40 | ddsmith | lol |
| 18:05.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'm hunting a good term. For when something looks one way on IE, and another on Firefox, something about compatibility standards... what terms can you guys throw at me? |
| 18:06.01 | cladhaire | not if it has a nil value in it |
| 18:06.02 | cladhaire | listen |
| 18:06.05 | ddsmith | Well the only non-array I know of is USERDATA |
| 18:06.20 | cladhaire | you cannot use #, table.insert, table.remove, unpack and expect defined behavior |
| 18:06.21 | Atriace | lopeppeppy: Standards compliant. IE isn't, Firefox is. |
| 18:06.22 | ddsmith | And all scalars of course... |
| 18:06.36 | cladhaire | if your table does not consist of increasing integer indices starting at 1 with no nil values. |
| 18:06.37 | cladhaire | period. |
| 18:06.49 | cladhaire | you violate that, all rules don't matter |
| 18:06.50 | Lopeppeppy | Atriace, in this case IE is being, FF is not. Remember that question earlier about the HTML code for ~n? Grrrr. |
| 18:06.52 | cladhaire | the behavior is undefined. |
| 18:07.16 | Atriace | Lopeppeppy: wasn't here for that, sorry. :) |
| 18:07.25 | foxlit | the reason it works now is because of the current implementation of the array/hash table separation in table allocation -- but that is not part of the language spec, and may change without notice. |
| 18:08.15 | cladhaire | ddsmith: an "Array" in Lua parlance is a VERY specific thing.. wholly different from a table. |
| 18:08.38 | Atriace | ah, well... there I thought they were synonymous. My bad. |
| 18:08.38 | cladhaire | contained _within_ but different |
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| 18:09.29 | cladhaire | nope, you'd be wrong |
| 18:09.56 | cladhaire | :P |
| 18:10.29 | Adys | I'm experimenting a bit with model frames. Made an addon that puts the target in a bigger zoomable/movable frame. On most models (including players) it works fine, but on some mobs I just get the white, untextured skeleton |
| 18:10.33 | Adys | any idea what's wrong? |
| 18:10.46 | ddsmith | Just checking... An array is a table indexed by integers... |
| 18:10.49 | cladhaire | because they require a texture to be applied |
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| 18:11.04 | cladhaire | ddsmith: CONSECUTIVE integer indices beginning at 1, with no nil values. |
| 18:11.19 | ddsmith | Consecutive.. usually starting at 1 but not necessarily. |
| 18:11.27 | Atriace | that sounds so much like a table to my understanding. |
| 18:11.30 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:11.32 | cladhaire | they HAVE to start at 1 |
| 18:11.39 | cladhaire | this is the rule |
| 18:11.39 | Adys | cladhaire: I'm just doing a Model:SetUnit("target") - how can I get/set the texture? |
| 18:11.41 | cladhaire | in Lua parlance |
| 18:11.43 | cladhaire | which is what we're talking about |
| 18:11.44 | ddsmith | It IS a table... |
| 18:11.47 | cladhaire | Adys: you can't, as far as I am aware |
| 18:11.53 | cladhaire | ddsmith: yes, its implemented in a Lua table |
| 18:12.01 | ddsmith | An ARRAY is an abstract thing in Lua. |
| 18:12.04 | cladhaire | but table.insert, table.remove, unpack, and # have a PRECONDITION that I've stated |
| 18:12.06 | cladhaire | like 19,000 times. |
| 18:12.13 | cladhaire | yes, it is. |
| 18:12.19 | cladhaire | I've not denied that |
| 18:12.19 | Adys | thats what I thought too, been digging in the code of aguf but couldnt find why I was getting the white model :/ |
| 18:12.37 | ddsmith | Nil values are fine in an array |
| 18:12.45 | cladhaire | ddsmith: FJKALFJLJKL$!@#jkl |
| 18:12.52 | ddsmith | No missing Indicies is what you mean... |
| 18:12.56 | cladhaire | jesus |
| 18:13.00 | cladhaire | not if you want to use them in table.insert/table.remove/#/unpack |
| 18:13.05 | cladhaire | if you do, the behavior is undefined. |
| 18:13.47 | ddsmith | Values can be anything... but it is impossible to distinguish a "missing" index... |
| 18:14.08 | cladhaire | wow. |
| 18:14.12 | cladhaire | lua> {1,2,3,nil,4} |
| 18:14.13 | lua_bot | cladhaire: table: 0x8082be0 |
| 18:14.24 | cladhaire | that violates the precondition |
| 18:14.25 | cladhaire | period. |
| 18:14.30 | cladhaire | therefore its behavior is by definition undefined |
| 18:15.44 | cladhaire | it ceases to be a valid "array" at the point where it violates the precondition |
| 18:15.50 | cladhaire | its still certainly a valid Lua table |
| 18:15.59 | cladhaire | but that isn't what we're discussing here |
| 18:16.44 | Atriace | You know, I joined the Unicode Consortium's mailing list, and they stated in the agreements "Don't get into heated debates unless you know you can contribute constructively", and I thought, "wow, how in the world could Unicode be so important to someone that they'd get into a 'heated debate'?" |
| 18:16.47 | ddsmith | ??? I have seen nothing that says a table or list can not have NIL as values... in fact every table has an infinite number of NIL entries... |
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| 18:17.06 | ddsmith | Just go look for them ;-) |
| 18:17.10 | Fisker- | why so cladhaire ? |
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| 18:17.27 | Atriace | cladhaire: I now see the difference between an array and a table. |
| 18:17.28 | Yssaril | ddsmith: the problem is nil is not a value it is the appsence of a value hence it brekas things |
| 18:17.33 | cladhaire | ddsmith: why.. you are driving me fucking insane without listening to the words I am saying. |
| 18:17.47 | ddsmith | I am listening... |
| 18:17.51 | cladhaire | I've been doing this for a while, and I do know what I'm talking about |
| 18:17.51 | cladhaire | no you're not |
| 18:17.58 | cladhaire | I didn't say a TABLE couldn't have nil values |
| 18:18.00 | cladhaire | I said an ARRAY can't. |
| 18:18.01 | Atriace | ddsmith: his point is that you can have a valid table with nils, it just won't be an array anymore. |
| 18:18.09 | cladhaire | because at the point wher eit gets one, it has violated the preconditions |
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| 18:18.41 | cladhaire | its still a valid table |
| 18:18.45 | cladhaire | as I've said for the 14th time |
| 18:18.56 | ddsmith | I am looking at the Lua manual written by the language designer. (I am a language designer myself...) Paracell. |
| 18:19.01 | cladhaire | but you cannot use table.insert/table.remove/# and unpack and get any DEFINED behavior. |
| 18:19.07 | cladhaire | that's great |
| 18:19.10 | cladhaire | I'm telling you the way it is. |
| 18:19.15 | cladhaire | library functions and operators |
| 18:19.35 | cladhaire | table.insert, table.remove, the length operator, and unpack |
| 18:19.59 | cladhaire | their behavior is UNDEFINED when there are "gaps" in a table that has integer indices starting at 1 |
| 18:20.03 | cladhaire | i.e. when they are not consecutive. |
| 18:20.21 | Josh_Borke | read the code and you'll see why :-D |
| 18:20.38 | cladhaire | "Most functions in the table library assume that the table represents an array or a list. For these functions, when we talk about the "length" of a table we mean the result of the length operator." |
| 18:20.45 | cladhaire | that statement from teh Lua refman says it all |
| 18:21.04 | cladhaire | since you refuse to accept it from me |
| 18:21.20 | cladhaire | sure, both the terms "array" and "list" aren't well defined anywhere, but I"m telling you what that definition is |
| 18:21.30 | cladhaire | and although the use of those terms is outright confusing, the facts still remain =/ |
| 18:21.42 | cladhaire | hence my frustratino |
| 18:21.53 | ddsmith | I see what you are getting at... |
| 18:21.55 | cladhaire | which I apoligize for |
| 18:24.24 | Josh_Borke | yea, you're such an asshole cladhaire |
| 18:35.19 | Atriace | strsplit doesn't output a table, but rather a list of strings. Any suggestions on how you would add each string as an indexed table value without enumerating the indices? |
| 18:36.05 | batrick | {strsplit(...)} |
| 18:36.12 | Atriace | orly? |
| 18:36.15 | Seerah | ya |
| 18:36.19 | Atriace | danka |
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| 18:40.46 | kd3 | ah memories |
| 18:41.05 | kd3 | Raspberry heaven <3 |
| 18:43.43 | ddsmith | On further reading. The length operator is well defined, if unpredictable, for "broken" arrays. |
| 18:44.41 | cladhaire | at the moment |
| 18:44.44 | ddsmith | Atriace, a list is a table is an array |
| 18:44.48 | cladhaire | and that's the point we tried to get you to understand about an hour ago. |
| 18:45.00 | cladhaire | the current implementation has define (if unpredictable) behavior |
| 18:45.20 | Sixen | BlizzCon T-2 weeks |
| 18:46.38 | cladhaire | the semantics of the corresponding functions, which is what we're actually discussing.. don't need to provide well defined behavior |
| 18:46.48 | Atriace | ddsmith: I caught the array/table diff then, but I didn't remember going over lists. |
| 18:46.51 | cladhaire | since in order to work, they have the precondition stated |
| 18:46.54 | ddsmith | What I meant was size sharp (length) IS defined, so are the other functions... even for broken arrays... They are just not useful. |
| 18:46.56 | cladhaire | garbage in, garbage out. |
| 18:47.06 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 18:47.13 | cladhaire | you are looking at one implementation of Lua |
| 18:47.35 | cladhaire | the semantics of these functions are undefined |
| 18:47.36 | cladhaire | IMPLEMENTED |
| 18:47.38 | cladhaire | but undefined |
| 18:48.17 | cladhaire | as a language designer, I would expect you to understand the distinction between the two |
| 18:48.42 | cladhaire | until the reference manual, or some other reference implementation clearly states what those functions should do with "broken" arrays, then the behavior isn't defined. |
| 18:48.57 | cladhaire | and I personally do not consider garbage in/garbage out to be a valid definition |
| 18:49.06 | cladhaire | as those functions try to do something "useful" |
| 18:49.17 | ddsmith | This is a DEFINITION: "The length of a table t is defined to be any integer index n such that t[n] is not nil and t[n+1] is nil; moreover, if t[1] is nil, n can be zero." |
| 18:49.37 | cladhaire | yes, for length. |
| 18:50.06 | nevcairiel | even length still acts weird if you have embeded nils |
| 18:50.10 | nevcairiel | sometimes it counts them |
| 18:50.12 | nevcairiel | sometimes not |
| 18:50.15 | nevcairiel | --> undefined |
| 18:50.15 | batbot | nevcairiel: > nil |
| 18:50.27 | ddsmith | And all the other functions mentioned are DEFINED in terms of this DEFINITION. |
| 18:50.33 | ddsmith | WELL DEFINED |
| 18:50.34 | cladhaire | wow |
| 18:50.59 | ddsmith | WELL DEFINED!!! READ ITR STUDY IT KEEP IT IN YOUR EFFIN BRAIN |
| 18:51.05 | cladhaire | excuse me? |
| 18:51.22 | ddsmith | You "heard" me... |
| 18:51.22 | cladhaire | so am I, it's completely uncalled for. |
| 18:51.34 | cladhaire | Yes, and I can stop hearing you just as quickly |
| 18:51.43 | cladhaire | when did this turn from a conversation into an argument? |
| 18:51.45 | Dashkal | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/25/1822207 |
| 18:51.57 | Seerah | ddsmith, everyone is here in this channel for the purpose of helping one another |
| 18:52.42 | cladhaire | ddsmith: Then excuse me for using the term undefined, as opposed to unpredictable. |
| 18:52.58 | cladhaire | You are correct in that the Lua reference manual clearly defines what a valid return from the length operator is |
| 18:52.59 | cladhaire | however |
| 18:53.01 | ddsmith | I am tired of Clad's condescension. |
| 18:53.11 | cladhaire | it does not in any way specify the semantics of the length operator. |
| 18:53.23 | cladhaire | I only condescended when you refused to listen |
| 18:53.35 | cladhaire | everyone in the channel "got" the point of what we were talking about an hour ago |
| 18:53.37 | Seerah | and clad is not the only person trying to help you here |
| 18:53.41 | ddsmith | I just quoted the semantics of the length operator verbatim. |
| 18:53.42 | cladhaire | I'm open to debating this point, and you are correct in what you're just stated |
| 18:53.44 | cladhaire | No |
| 18:53.49 | cladhaire | you quoted what the valid returns can be |
| 18:53.51 | cladhaire | how do you obtain it? |
| 18:53.57 | cladhaire | its non-deterministic |
| 18:54.11 | cogwheel | hmm... http://notalwaysright.com/john-hancock-goes-shopping/430 <-- This guy's actually right... he could've disputed the charge with his CC company and they'd've done a charge back on the store |
| 18:54.40 | cladhaire | In the following array, it could be either of two values {1, nil, 3, nil} |
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| 18:55.28 | Dashkal | cogwheel: he could have charged it back, but didn't. He just blindly believed that the signature made the charge valid or invalid |
| 18:55.35 | cladhaire | sure, that's a contrived example.. but these issues actually come up. |
| 18:55.46 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: he -could- have disputed the charge. there's a key phrase in there. ;) |
| 18:56.02 | NightHawkTheSane | the charge was still perfectly valid as long as it was undisputed. |
| 18:56.15 | cladhaire | I regret that I used the word "Undefined" previously and apologize for any misunderstanding that came about as a result. The results of the functions listed is unpredictable when the precondition is violated. |
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| 19:00.47 | Atriace | ~lart purl |
| 19:00.47 | purl | drops a baby grand on atriace |
| 19:00.54 | ddsmith | Actually... as I said before... (I quoted the DEFINITION). # returns one of a set of possible values. |
| 19:01.10 | Atriace | lol, I wonder why he left... |
| 19:01.26 | ddsmith | It is DEFINED to return either 1 or 3 in the example stated... |
| 19:01.52 | batrick | no, it is defined that it _may_ return 1 or 3. |
| 19:02.37 | batrick | what is the problem here anyway? |
| 19:02.42 | ddsmith | It MUST return 1 or 3 |
| 19:02.50 | ddsmith | Nothing else |
| 19:03.02 | batrick | sure |
| 19:04.11 | cogwheel | Dashkal: NightHawkTheSane: i just mean the employees were wrong for chasing off after him telling him he was responsible. coming back after the main "story" was beside my point ;) |
| 19:04.33 | cogwheel | s/responsible/something that fits better but i can't think of atm/ |
| 19:06.22 | ShaneSveller | Howdy, does anyone know if anyone's done an actionbar mod in the vein of oUF, where the bar layout, size, etc. is in the/separate Lua? |
| 19:06.57 | Dashkal | Prolly should have told him he needs to talk to the CC company if he refuses to return to the store and leave it at that. |
| 19:08.16 | NightHawkTheSane | wait.. what.. "[12:05:03] Dark Iron Herald yells: RETREAT!! We've taken a beating and had 0 casualties! We can't keep taking these losses! FALL BACK!!" |
| 19:08.19 | NightHawkTheSane | huh? |
| 19:08.26 | kd3 | rofl |
| 19:09.28 | NightHawkTheSane | there must be some inherent chance for it to fail, regardless of what people do. |
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| 19:09.48 | cogwheel | ... STATION! |
| 19:10.03 | kamdis | Hi Lunessa. |
| 19:10.19 | Lunessa | Station. I got home at 6am this morning. |
| 19:10.34 | cogwheel | as opposed to 6am at night? |
| 19:10.40 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 19:10.48 | Lunessa | And ... It looks like I mostly weathered Ike with minor damage. |
| 19:10.49 | kamdis | >.> |
| 19:10.57 | kamdis | huzzah! |
| 19:11.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ~cogwheel++ |
| 19:11.19 | Lopeppeppy | ~pounce Lunessa |
| 19:11.19 | purl | ACTION jumps on Lunessa and bounces around Tigger style |
| 19:11.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad you're home and things are decent, Lunessa. |
| 19:11.39 | batrick | cogwheel: no as opposed to 6am yesterday morning |
| 19:11.42 | Lunessa | I had power, and I have water (must boil to drink) and I've had about 3 hours of sleep. :P |
| 19:12.12 | cbreak | and you have internet. yay! :) |
| 19:12.16 | cogwheel | ~poke batrick |
| 19:12.17 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind batrick, pokes batrick repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:12.46 | batrick | wat |
| 19:12.50 | Adys | is there a slash command to target an unit by its raid marker? |
| 19:12.51 | Adys | for a macro |
| 19:12.54 | Lunessa | cogwheel: batrick's interpretation is correct. :P |
| 19:13.01 | cbreak | Adys: no |
| 19:13.19 | cbreak | addons can mark with raid marks, if you could target based on them, addon controlled targeting would be possible |
| 19:13.24 | cbreak | which is not what blizzard claimed to want |
| 19:13.26 | cogwheel | batrick: u fail at withholding logical observations in order to maintain the standing attitude towards Lunessa's statement... or something |
| 19:13.40 | Adys | ah yeah i remember now |
| 19:13.58 | batrick | cogwheel: no I just hate it when people do that :P |
| 19:14.45 | cogwheel | no beer for the ladies? |
| 19:15.03 | cogwheel | Lunessa: are you trying to get me drunk? ;) |
| 19:15.04 | Lunessa | Peppy likes Rum and Kamdis is a Tequila girl. |
| 19:15.23 | Industrial | tequila \o/ |
| 19:15.26 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 19:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa has studied his ladies. |
| 19:15.55 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. tequila |
| 19:15.59 | cogwheel | i like all three. i demand you slip me tequila and rum too! |
| 19:16.32 | Lunessa | cogwheel: U GIEF NOW |
| 19:16.34 | batrick | hehe costco sized... |
| 19:16.42 | batrick | small -> medium -> large -> costco |
| 19:17.17 | kamdis | Is it Friday yet? Damn this week is dragging. |
| 19:17.33 | Lunessa | I'll be leaving work shortly to go home because the island still has a 6pm crefew and it will take 2+ hours to get home. |
| 19:17.49 | kamdis | yikes |
| 19:17.54 | kamdis | but, home = good |
| 19:18.00 | kamdis | even when you have to boil the water |
| 19:18.06 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 6pm curfew? |
| 19:18.10 | Lopeppeppy | Charge up the laptop battery so you can watch a movie, at least. But you'll get to bed early, right? |
| 19:18.21 | Lunessa | I has power. I has no internet. |
| 19:18.25 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane, they want everyone home before dark = no looting or unsafe travel. |
| 19:18.27 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Yes. |
| 19:18.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yet another reason not to live in areas lke that |
| 19:20.07 | kamdis | it's temporary |
| 19:20.08 | Lopeppeppy | Curfew isn't every day, just while they're still cleaning up from the himacaine |
| 19:20.22 | kamdis | lol peppy ;-) |
| 19:20.44 | Lopeppeppy | Well, it was messy and didn't pick up after itself. Can't be a her-acane |
| 19:21.12 | NightHawkTheSane | if it was a her-acane, it'd just level the place every month? :p |
| 19:21.53 | Lopeppeppy | And it would come back later and do the dishes and pick up after itself, yes. |
| 19:24.44 | Lunessa | :D |
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| 19:25.51 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.54 | Industrial | rofl |
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| 19:33.26 | kd3 | ah, the joys of guildies forgetting how to get to BRD |
| 19:33.36 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 19:33.40 | Lopeppeppy | Jump and swim! |
| 19:33.51 | kd3 | glad I've got iceblock again. |
| 19:34.12 | kd3 | or at the top of the cavern when killing garr's adds |
| 19:34.15 | Lopeppeppy | I fall down the little niche, land halfway down, jump again, all good. My rogue just safe falls though. |
| 19:34.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i just jump in the lava >.> |
| 19:36.14 | [SW]Dodge | Kolie: what does the new status "Verified - QA has verified that the fix has worked" on my curse client ticket mean? :D |
| 19:36.49 | Kolie | It means that im acknowledging reciept of it. |
| 19:36.58 | [SW]Dodge | ah ok :D |
| 19:37.17 | Kolie | Verified means, I told someone else to look at it. |
| 19:38.08 | Lunessa | rebooting. |
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| 19:39.12 | [SW]Dodge | okay, and another question, is it correct that i cant select/add a character on my.curse.com if i dont use the old 0.16.0 client? |
| 19:39.31 | Kolie | I don't think we really support the 0.16.0 client atm. |
| 19:39.32 | Kolie | But. |
| 19:39.42 | Kolie | WoW characters do not upload in any version of the client currently. |
| 19:39.49 | Kolie | That is unreleased functionality on wowdb.com |
| 19:40.14 | [SW]Dodge | ah.. okay good to know ^^ |
| 19:40.47 | Kolie | wardb.com uploads DO work, and thats exclusive to the new client. |
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| 19:58.55 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, probably old news but |
| 19:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Jack Thompson has been disbarred for life |
| 19:59.53 | Dashkal | one more month and it's permenant |
| 20:00.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://kotaku.com/5054772/jack-thompson-disbarred |
| 20:00.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 20:00.29 | Lunessa | Out for today. Hasta la bye-bye. |
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| 20:04.38 | Sixen | <BlizzFan1> Rabble rabble rabble. |
| 20:04.38 | Sixen | *Maaven has logged into the PTR forum.* |
| 20:04.38 | Sixen | <BlizzFan1> [Feedback] Rabble rabble rabble. |
| 20:04.40 | Sixen | I lol'd. |
| 20:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That Maaven's sig? |
| 20:04.54 | Sixen | Yeah lawl |
| 20:05.07 | Sixen | Tell me that's not awesome, :P. |
| 20:05.20 | kamdis | that's not awesome |
| 20:05.23 | kamdis | also, i lie |
| 20:05.28 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 20:05.45 | Sixen | ;) |
| 20:06.37 | kamdis | If I have to see one more "OMG CYCLONE EXPLOIT" thread I think I'll kill myself. |
| 20:06.44 | kamdis | or hurricane or whatever it is |
| 20:06.47 | kamdis | i stopped caring |
| 20:07.04 | kamdis | Typhoon, that's it |
| 20:07.20 | Dashkal | " Witness the rarity that is the Blue Bump. " |
| 20:07.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532263454&sid=1#3 <-- his sig there is also win |
| 20:08.12 | ScytheBlade1 | o |
| 20:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ignore that 'o' |
| 20:09.00 | Sixen | Ahahahah! Yeah, I saw that one yesterday. |
| 20:09.08 | Sixen | I was like, "Wow, so true." |
| 20:09.47 | kd3 | wow |
| 20:10.04 | kd3 | my news reader's lighting up with "JT disbarred!" |
| 20:11.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I believe it |
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| 20:16.56 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: shadows still nuking beta/PTR? I haven't tried in a while |
| 20:17.16 | kd3 | ya |
| 20:17.29 | kd3 | even then, I can't test since d3d mode is insta-132ing me |
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| 20:19.12 | Sixen | =O |
| 20:19.22 | Sixen | That feed you were making? |
| 20:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | yup, same |
| 20:20.44 | Sixen | http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot092408221726tw4.jpg -- Omg, that's win. |
| 20:21.18 | |pez| | wtf... vehicles? |
| 20:21.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Sixen: thats disturbing |
| 20:21.35 | Sixen | That's amazing! |
| 20:21.49 | Sixen | pez: WotLK |
| 20:22.50 | foxlit | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=976149&cid=25155341 |
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| 20:23.40 | |pez| | Sixen: I never knew there were gonna be vehicles! |
| 20:23.47 | Dashkal | Sixen: murloc biker gang? win |
| 20:23.50 | Sixen | Yup, yup :D |
| 20:24.00 | Sixen | Biker Murlocs! |
| 20:24.12 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: heh, thats one of the big things for wotlk. ;) |
| 20:24.13 | Sixen | *cough*old TV show Biker Mice*cough* |
| 20:24.41 | |pez| | Biker Mice from Mars! :D |
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| 20:26.12 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
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| 20:32.25 | ScytheBlade1 | "Mike Swanson, a Microsoft technology evangelist, has said attendees will receive a 160GB external USB hard drive that will presumably include the Windows 7 alpha." |
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| 20:36.17 | haste | |pez|: SWAT cats was superior imo :p |
| 20:37.00 | |pez| | Never saw SWAT cats? |
| 20:37.05 | Kirov | 160 GB? ... well at least they've reduced the bloat of Windows. ... |
| 20:37.27 | haste | |pez|: fail :( |
| 20:37.31 | Cide | hard drive space is cheap |
| 20:38.10 | Kirov | Cide - I'm waiting for the day they start shipping install programs on external drives rather than DVDs |
| 20:38.12 | Cide | as long as it runs fast, who cares about how much hard drive space it uses |
| 20:38.18 | Cide | they won't ever |
| 20:38.22 | Cide | I'm guessing |
| 20:38.35 | Cide | but they'll probably transition to bluray or something else eventually |
| 20:38.38 | haste | |pez|: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYgN93p64jQ \:D/ |
| 20:38.56 | Yssaril | Kirov: dvd/cd manufacturing is eaxtreamly cheap so probably not gonna happen |
| 20:39.05 | p3lim | haste: the Hex function in tags.lua, could you make it global like you did with ColorGradient? |
| 20:39.19 | Cide | hex function? |
| 20:39.32 | p3lim | lines 10-15: http://ixo.no/git/oUF.git/tree/elements/tags.lua |
| 20:39.36 | Kirov | Yeah, I know the master disk is fairly expensive, but every disk after is only maybe 1 cent |
| 20:39.58 | Cide | string.format("%02x%02x%02x", 255*r, 255*g, 255*b) ? |
| 20:40.11 | Lyn | unterhaltet mich! |
| 20:40.12 | Sixen | brb |
| 20:40.13 | Kirov | excluding printing, holograms |
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| 20:40.14 | Yssaril | yea and making masters isnt too expensive either in the greater sceem of things |
| 20:40.16 | Lyn | fc |
| 20:40.28 | Cide | p3lim: wow, create it yourself. I just did above, as you can see |
| 20:40.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: cd/dvd/whatever is still far more tolerant to shipping and manhandling than disk drives are, at far less a cost, so that wont happen anytime soon :p |
| 20:40.46 | Kirov | I forget, was it Blu-ray or HD-DVD that was designed to mimic the existing DVD creation process |
| 20:40.56 | Kirov | I wasn't talking disk drives, necessarily. |
| 20:41.04 | Yssaril | Kirov: HD was |
| 20:41.07 | Kirov | Just external drives (including flash) |
| 20:41.22 | Yssaril | bluray needs new machines |
| 20:41.55 | Yssaril | flash memory is even more expensive than hard drive memory |
| 20:41.55 | *** part/#wowuidev foxlit (n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 20:42.00 | Kirov | Right now |
| 20:42.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
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| 20:42.13 | Cide | "even more expensive"? |
| 20:42.22 | Cide | it's "more expensive", but hard drive memory is dirt cheap |
| 20:42.23 | Dewin | That's like saying a nickel is more expensive than a penny. |
| 20:42.33 | Dewin | even* more expensive than... |
| 20:42.42 | Kolie | no, copper is worth more. |
| 20:42.43 | Kirov | Dewin - well, technically a penny is more expensive. |
| 20:42.49 | NightHawkTheSane | poor phrasing, really |
| 20:42.51 | Yssaril | Cide: cd/dvd < HD<flash |
| 20:42.57 | Dewin | This is true. |
| 20:43.01 | Cide | not in terms of buying memory |
| 20:43.07 | Cide | maybe producing memory, but that's another story |
| 20:43.23 | Dewin | Didn't Australia (I think) get rid of their pennies for that very reason? So all prices round to the nearest 5c |
| 20:43.40 | Kirov | They've been trying to get rid of the penny for decades. |
| 20:44.16 | kamdis | I would gladly pay and extra 4 cents for anything if I didn't have to deal with pennies anymore. |
| 20:44.19 | Kirov | The US has a tendancy to hang on to old ideals longer than some places *cough*imperial units*cough* |
| 20:44.34 | kamdis | FU and your metric system. hippie. |
| 20:44.37 | kamdis | ;-) |
| 20:44.43 | Dewin | I still want metric time. >.> |
| 20:44.57 | foxlit | It didn't work, remember? |
| 20:45.01 | Dewin | True. |
| 20:45.07 | Cide | kamdis: statistically you would pay 4 cents less every other time, so it'd end up costing the same amount :P |
| 20:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | kamdis: i make a habit of not carrying change. |
| 20:45.17 | Dewin | btw, for those who don't know: calendars and daylight savings time and leap years are the bane of many a programmer. |
| 20:45.23 | End | apparently they just changed the design of the penny in the US |
| 20:45.29 | kamdis | *saving |
| 20:45.44 | Cide | not taking actions regarding psychological effects into account |
| 20:45.49 | Yssaril | Dewin: you forgot leap seconds :P |
| 20:46.04 | Dewin | Yssaril: Only when implemented by the host OS. |
| 20:46.07 | End | oh, actually, the design change is just for 2009 |
| 20:46.11 | Cide | many a programmer, eh |
| 20:46.15 | kd3 | ntp should take care of that anyway |
| 20:46.16 | Cide | never dealt with it |
| 20:46.20 | Cide | import calendar |
| 20:46.21 | Cide | go |
| 20:46.42 | kamdis | http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2008-09-25.gif |
| 20:46.43 | End | oh, actually, there's a design change for 2009, and then another permanent one for 2010 and beyond |
| 20:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | you and your python craziness, cide |
| 20:46.50 | Dewin | yeah, you use those calendar functions because otherwise you have to deal with the pain. :) |
| 20:46.52 | Cide | <Dewin> Yssaril: Only when implemented by the hos |
| 20:46.56 | Cide | don't tell me that's useful |
| 20:46.57 | Cide | err |
| 20:46.59 | Cide | fuck. |
| 20:47.02 | Cide | don't tell me that's not useful. |
| 20:47.20 | Dewin | For(time = somestarttime, ..., time += 86400); -- does not work. |
| 20:47.22 | Cide | Dewin: like any other good programmer would :P |
| 20:47.55 | Cide | For(time = somestarttime, time += 86400; time < someendtime); -- you mean? |
| 20:48.02 | Dewin | Yeah. |
| 20:48.03 | Cide | infinite loops are bad |
| 20:48.04 | Dewin | My brain is not awake yet. |
| 20:48.11 | Dewin | and let's not even go into the point that 2:30 AM does not exist for one day a year. |
| 20:48.14 | Dewin | and exists twice on another day |
| 20:48.19 | Dewin | (in the US anyways) |
| 20:48.24 | Dewin | ((Except Arizona) |
| 20:48.27 | Dewin | ) |
| 20:48.28 | Dewin | ; |
| 20:48.52 | Cide | like every person who's born on the 29th of february's birthday 75% of the time |
| 20:49.12 | kamdis | and the other states that switch time zones instead of changing clocks |
| 20:49.26 | Dewin | technically all states change time zones |
| 20:49.34 | Dewin | West coast changes from PST to PDT |
| 20:50.00 | Keias | I miss switching timezones :( |
| 20:50.05 | Keias | Changing clocks sucks. |
| 20:50.20 | kd3 | meh, my computer does it by itself. so does my watch |
| 20:50.24 | kd3 | and my cell phone |
| 20:50.30 | kd3 | are there any other clocks of importance? |
| 20:50.40 | Keias | My TV clock! |
| 20:50.43 | NightHawkTheSane | alarm clock by your bed? |
| 20:50.49 | kd3 | that's what the cell phone is for |
| 20:50.54 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough |
| 20:50.56 | Keias | I thought those were for calling :( |
| 20:51.04 | Cide | common misconception |
| 20:51.21 | NightHawkTheSane | no one really uses a cell phone to call anyone these days |
| 20:51.30 | Dewin | Cell phones make calls? |
| 20:51.39 | Dewin | I thought they were for listening to music, taking pictures, watching video, and sending text messages? |
| 20:51.51 | Dewin | oh, and playing games |
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| 20:53.33 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o cladhaire] by ChanServ |
| 20:55.06 | cladhaire | yay for running git HEAD of LimeChat |
| 20:55.11 | cladhaire | its much nicer, it seems |
| 20:55.17 | NightHawkTheSane | limechat? |
| 20:56.28 | *** join/#wowuidev [Liquidor] (n=denras19@fw-tk-1.ruc.dk) |
| 20:56.28 | zenzelezz | chat with a sour twist |
| 20:56.38 | [Liquidor] | why the heck am I in #shiibot? |
| 20:59.20 | cladhaire | Limechat is a really nice CocoaRuby IRC client for mac |
| 20:59.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i googled it. may check it out, see how it compares to x-chat aqua |
| 21:01.03 | cladhaire | I don't know that I can ever go back to a client that doesn't have the "distraction" pane |
| 21:01.21 | cladhaire | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/39de9c1b8f6b7cbca4ae1b2d6cd63c53.png |
| 21:01.33 | cladhaire | i.e. the pane on the bottom that shows me everything that happens in the channels that aren't my focusl |
| 21:02.04 | NightHawkTheSane | that IS pretty nice. also, damn you idle in a lot of channels. |
| 21:02.12 | cladhaire | .truth! |
| 21:02.46 | NightHawkTheSane | does it have a way to aggregate highlights in a window? |
| 21:02.52 | cladhaire | no, sadly |
| 21:03.11 | cladhaire | I was thinking about writing that |
| 21:03.12 | [Liquidor] | cladhaire, what's this #shiibot? |
| 21:03.20 | [Liquidor] | And how the hell did I get in there? |
| 21:03.28 | cladhaire | [Liquidor]: i have no idea, it has to do with Shiibot |
| 21:03.29 | NightHawkTheSane | [Liquidor]: it's where you get forwarded if you try to join without a registered nick when +f is set |
| 21:03.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Shiibot sets +rRf on the channel when it detects spammers, which it did a bit ago |
| 21:04.25 | [Liquidor] | Arh I see. |
| 21:04.31 | [Liquidor] | My client was just a bit slow with registering |
| 21:04.40 | Kolie | Yay curse client has changelogs. |
| 21:05.31 | NightHawkTheSane | now, to figure out how to use git and pull from the repo >.> |
| 21:05.56 | haste | git clone <repo> |
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| 21:06.48 | kd3 | the hell? fark: [Scary] Russia to give Hugo Chavez a $1 billion gift card to their military equipment outlet store, all MiG-29s 30 percent off this week |
| 21:07.01 | jaxdahl | cladhaire, 404 already? |
| 21:07.09 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 21:07.13 | cladhaire | I can post it back if you'd like |
| 21:07.23 | kamdis | Hey, Bush is practically Chavez at this point, where's the discount for the USA? |
| 21:07.31 | jaxdahl | no biggie |
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| 21:19.10 | Dewin | Bah... I need to be working on real work, the kind I get paid for... but I really want to work on my addon, it's almost actually to the sort-of-working point. |
| 21:19.22 | Dewin | quick someone clone me |
| 21:19.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ~clone 15:20 * LokiV7 beckons Sbo |
| 21:19.29 | purl | ACTION takes out his Cloner-2000 and starts making dozens of duplicates of 15:20 * LokiV7 beckons Sbo! |
| 21:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | 15:20 < LokiV7> |
| 21:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | 15:54 <@Sbo> LOKI! |
| 21:19.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 21:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ~clone Dewin |
| 21:19.34 | purl | ACTION takes out his Cloner-2000 and starts making dozens of duplicates of Dewin! |
| 21:19.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid paste |
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| 21:20.20 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: could've been worse... |
| 21:20.30 | Dewin | dozens of duplicates? Sweet, now we can work on our addon while one of us is at SSC tonight. |
| 21:20.33 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: lol, took me a second to realize what you meant |
| 21:20.34 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 21:20.55 | cladhaire | jaxdahl: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4ca59d7e0712392f55ae311760bb3f5d.png there ya go |
| 21:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not one to have embarassing things in my clipboard :) |
| 21:21.27 | Dewin | cladhaire: That's neat. |
| 21:21.38 | cladhaire | its a great client |
| 21:21.45 | Dewin | actually, the whole client looks nice. Is there a win32 port? >.> *flees* |
| 21:21.49 | NeoTron | cladhaire: what client is that? |
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| 21:22.03 | Kolie | it looks like mIrc but maconized. |
| 21:22.19 | cladhaire | NeoTron: LimeChat |
| 21:22.24 | Kolie | well, it looks like nnscript on mirc. |
| 21:22.27 | cladhaire | the best part is the bottom window |
| 21:22.33 | cladhaire | I've not seem anything like that in a client |
| 21:22.36 | cladhaire | but I didn't look very far :P |
| 21:22.51 | cladhaire | git://github.com/psychs/limechat.git |
| 21:23.41 | Dewin | I like pidgin too much is the only problem |
| 21:23.54 | Dewin | And don't want to run a dedicated IRC client |
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| 21:24.18 | Kirov | Raise your hand if you know who Jack Thompson is. |
| 21:24.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. this IS pretty nice, cladhaire |
| 21:24.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: o/ |
| 21:24.33 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, we know, he got disbarred =) |
| 21:24.33 | [SW]Dodge | cladhaire: wtb limechat windows client looking like mac client :D |
| 21:24.34 | cogwheel | was he disbarred? |
| 21:24.38 | cogwheel | wewt! |
| 21:24.39 | Kirov | permenantly |
| 21:24.41 | farmbuyer | about damn time |
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| 21:24.46 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:24.52 | Dewin | from the Florida State Bar anyways |
| 21:25.01 | kamdis | he still has 30 days to appeal |
| 21:25.03 | Dewin | though it's unlikely another state's bar would take him given the circumstances |
| 21:25.07 | kamdis | nothing's final final |
| 21:25.09 | kamdis | :P |
| 21:25.14 | Neuro_Medivh | another lawyer has to file the appeal though =) |
| 21:25.19 | kamdis | aye |
| 21:25.26 | Kirov | I'm sure he'll continue to show up on Fox news as a "School Shooting Specialist" |
| 21:25.29 | cogwheel | !gl with that |
| 21:25.29 | batbot | cogwheel: YouTube - Clinton, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman... <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs> |
| 21:25.40 | cladhaire | O>O |
| 21:25.43 | Cide | hahaha |
| 21:25.51 | NeoTron | ... what is !gl? |
| 21:25.59 | cladhaire | google lucky? |
| 21:26.01 | cladhaire | !gl monkey nuts |
| 21:26.02 | batbot | cladhaire: Peanut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut> |
| 21:26.02 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 21:26.03 | NeoTron | ah indeed |
| 21:26.14 | Kirov | He has 30 days to find another lawyer to appeal, and to move his current clients to other lawyers. |
| 21:26.34 | kamdis | someone will file for him |
| 21:26.37 | Neuro_Medivh | he's a glory hound, that's all |
| 21:26.52 | kamdis | lawyers have a tendency to do that when there's enough money involved |
| 21:27.05 | Kirov | kamdis - doubtful |
| 21:27.47 | Kirov | kamdis - Part of why he's being disbarred is because he needed another lawyer to sign stuff for him, and he couldn't find anyone who would |
| 21:28.37 | Kirov | He was basically gagged from giving any further evidence on his own trial because everything he presented was bullshit. |
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| 21:29.02 | Kirov | He could present further evidence if another lawyer presented it for him ... and NO ONE WOULD |
| 21:29.21 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: does limechat automatically rotate logs? |
| 21:29.27 | kamdis | i didn't realize that was one of the allegations |
| 21:29.27 | Kirov | At this point he's made way too many enemies in the florida legal system, I'm pretty sure he's fucked. |
| 21:29.32 | cladhaire | rorate? |
| 21:29.34 | cladhaire | rotate |
| 21:29.39 | cladhaire | it makes them per day, if that's what you're asking |
| 21:29.41 | p3lim | what UF template lets me sort by class? |
| 21:29.51 | p3lim | attribute* |
| 21:29.53 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: yeah, one per day per channel |
| 21:30.12 | cogwheel | p3lim: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/secure_template |
| 21:30.24 | NightHawkTheSane | x-chat aqua does not (inherently) create a new log file each day. |
| 21:30.36 | cogwheel | (group headers) |
| 21:30.45 | cladhaire | NightHawkTheSane: hrm, I believe it does |
| 21:31.17 | Kirov | There was a great peice written about Jack Thompson not too long about on Penny Arcade. I think the jist of it was thanking Thompson for being so completely inept that they hoped he continued to be the propoent for anti-game laws for all time. |
| 21:31.28 | p3lim | im very sure its groupBy |
| 21:31.33 | p3lim | and 'CLASS' |
| 21:31.42 | p3lim | but still: Interface\FrameXML\SecureTemplates.lua:939: bad argument #2 to 'strsplit' (string expected, got nil) |
| 21:32.16 | cogwheel | ~framexml SecureTemplates.lua |
| 21:32.16 | purl | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/FrameXML/SecureTemplates.lua |
| 21:32.31 | cogwheel | hmm... ~framexml needs fixing |
| 21:32.48 | p3lim | ive already looked through it |
| 21:32.57 | cogwheel | i'm trying to see what's there... |
| 21:33.06 | Dewin | btw, how do you extract FrameXML from the actual client? I couldn't find it anywhere when I went digging in MPQs |
| 21:33.18 | cladhaire | p3lim: If you're getting that error, you're not specifying a grouping order, afaik |
| 21:33.20 | cogwheel | Dewin: use the addon extractor made by blizzard |
| 21:33.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ~framexml |
| 21:33.21 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 21:33.38 | cogwheel | s/addon/ui/ |
| 21:34.07 | Dewin | cogwheel: That actually extracts it from the real client? I thought it just was basically just a self-installing pre-extracted copy of frameXML, which may or may not be up to date with the current (or PTR) client |
| 21:34.11 | cladhaire | p3lim: the attribuet documentation in SecureTemplates.lua tells you exactly what you need to set. |
| 21:34.21 | Dewin | Considering I didn't see any option to say which client I wanted to extract framexml from |
| 21:34.25 | cladhaire | p3lim: what are you trying to accomplish.. |
| 21:34.34 | cogwheel | Dewin: put it in the folder of whichever client you want |
| 21:34.38 | Dewin | I ended up just downloading it from wowprogramming. |
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| 21:34.48 | p3lim | sort my raid by class |
| 21:34.58 | Dewin | cogwheel: Hmm. Okay. I didn't run it from the folder of EITHER wow client so I never got an option. :) |
| 21:35.13 | cogwheel | in that case it picks whichever live installation is noted in your registry |
| 21:35.16 | p3lim | making a simple ~60 line oUF raid layout for personal use, heavily based on the new tags in oUF |
| 21:36.14 | cladhaire | p3lim: then you need to (as the documentation says.. supply a groupBy and groupingOrder. |
| 21:36.17 | cladhaire | so.. do that |
| 21:36.35 | p3lim | ok, got no idea what string to use with groupingOrder though' |
| 21:36.40 | cladhaire | LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTATIOn |
| 21:36.44 | cladhaire | cogwheel already linked it to you |
| 21:36.49 | cladhaire | WARRIOR,ROGUE,PRIEST |
| 21:37.04 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 21:37.30 | Cide | stop trying to look nice after having yelled |
| 21:37.32 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 21:37.32 | Cide | you're not nice. |
| 21:37.38 | Cide | you're right |
| 21:37.46 | cladhaire | MY MOM's FACE IS NICE! |
| 21:37.55 | Cide | your mom's face is nice |
| 21:37.58 | Cide | there, I said it |
| 21:38.05 | cladhaire | ooh burn! |
| 21:38.30 | cogwheel | F*** YOU YOU F***ING F***!!! GODD**N A**HOLE U ROT IN H*LL!!!! ^_^ |
| 21:38.46 | Industrial | quoted. |
| 21:38.51 | Industrial | xD |
| 21:39.21 | cogwheel | don't forget the ^_^ =) |
| 21:39.24 | cladhaire | :P |
| 21:39.34 | jaxdahl | Farm you you farming farm(er)!!! Go(ld)dashin' armhole u rot in hol(e)!!!! ? |
| 21:39.37 | haste | KAWAII DESU NE~ ^_^ |
| 21:39.48 | Industrial | ^___________________^ |
| 21:39.56 | Industrial | so... |
| 21:40.30 | farmbuyer | jax's line just sent xchat's "alert on seeing nickname" into a beeping frenzy |
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| 21:40.37 | Industrial | ho shii- |
| 21:41.01 | p3lim | werent anything alike that in the doc cladhaire |
| 21:41.08 | cladhaire | actually there was |
| 21:41.26 | cladhaire | 1,2,3,4,5 |
| 21:41.29 | cladhaire | was the example string |
| 21:42.08 | cogwheel | ~poke Industrial |
| 21:42.09 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Industrial, pokes Industrial repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:42.18 | cogwheel | ~literal framexml |
| 21:42.19 | purl | "framexml" is "<reply>Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/" |
| 21:42.20 | Industrial | ~giggle |
| 21:42.21 | purl | teeheehee! |
| 21:43.32 | cladhaire | p3lim: its also clear from the code that uses that attribetu what its for |
| 21:44.11 | cladhaire | thats why we linked it to you =/ |
| 21:44.26 | Fisker- | We're also looking into the possibility of bringing televised BlizzCon 2008 coverage to other regions of the world <-lol |
| 21:47.05 | |pez| | yay? |
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| 21:49.19 | Neuro_Medivh | it's like televising people eating a delicious meal and broadcasting it to people in famine areas |
| 21:49.32 | Neuro_Medivh | "look at how delicious this food is!" |
| 21:49.36 | Dewin | wtb Blizzcon broadcast torrent |
| 21:49.39 | Neuro_Medivh | "Too bad you can't be here!" |
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| 21:52.48 | Neuro_Medivh | so, the Mammoth Mount carries vendors? What sort of vendors, pray tell? |
| 21:53.01 | Sixen | dewin: www.wcradio.com |
| 21:53.03 | Lips | probably repair |
| 21:53.06 | Sixen | They're broadcasting live |
| 21:53.32 | Dewin | Interesting. |
| 21:53.35 | Dewin | When is Blizzcon anyways? |
| 21:54.11 | cogwheel | Dewin: google? |
| 21:54.12 | Neuro_Medivh | Oct 3rd? Too lazy to google |
| 21:54.14 | cogwheel | :P |
| 21:54.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i'm going to wager the kind that sell and/or buy things. |
| 21:54.30 | cogwheel | 10th & 11th |
| 21:54.35 | Dewin | Ah. |
| 21:55.00 | Dewin | doesn't that mount cost 15000g? |
| 21:55.11 | NightHawkTheSane | 20k |
| 21:55.17 | NightHawkTheSane | before rep discount |
| 21:55.28 | Dewin | So it doesn't really matter what vendors it has, because once you've bought it you'll have no gold to spend on them. |
| 21:55.45 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, if you have 20k gold to buy that, you probably have no issues getting more. |
| 21:56.01 | NightHawkTheSane | and, if you wait until exalted kirin tor, its only.. 16k |
| 21:57.08 | NeoTron | if that mount has a repair vendor I'll likely ask for donations to buy it |
| 21:57.16 | NeoTron | pay half myself, get the guild to sponsor the other half |
| 21:57.37 | Dewin | you'd still have to exit the instance to be able to use it though. |
| 21:57.52 | Dewin | well, unless it's ZA or something else outdoors |
| 21:57.56 | NeoTron | yeah but better than flying to the repair vendor |
| 21:58.10 | Dewin | or you could just have lots of repair bots. |
| 21:58.23 | Dewin | For consideraly less than 16k |
| 21:59.19 | NeoTron | but then you need an engineer |
| 21:59.26 | NeoTron | it's not a matter of saving gold, just saving time |
| 21:59.44 | NeoTron | our only engineer is planning to go inscription (warrior) due to lack of benefit from engineering |
| 21:59.59 | NightHawkTheSane | theoretically, in the long run, the mount w/repair vendor would be cheaper than repair bots. |
| 22:00.02 | Neuro_Medivh | they removed the engineered mailbox from the game long ago, yes? |
| 22:00.06 | NeoTron | plus a mount might have a rep associated with it |
| 22:00.22 | Dewin | good point. |
| 22:00.36 | NeoTron | I wish it could fly though |
| 22:00.37 | |pez| | ? |
| 22:00.41 | NeoTron | I'd love a flying 3 person mammoth mount |
| 22:00.47 | NeoTron | could flap its wings, like dumbo |
| 22:00.54 | NeoTron | s/wings/ears/ |
| 22:00.55 | cogwheel | Neuro_Medivh: i don't think that made it past classic beta |
| 22:00.59 | Dewin | WoW 4.0 wil introduce player-owned airships, I'm sure. |
| 22:01.17 | Dewin | preferably with cannons. |
| 22:01.19 | Neuro_Medivh | NeoTron, Inscription/Blacksmithing seems like the most beneficial, unless the self-glyphs for inscription suck |
| 22:01.53 | Neuro_Medivh | BS gets to add sockets to currently unenchantable slots, so that seems a solid path for a warrior |
| 22:01.58 | NeoTron | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=40768 |
| 22:02.01 | nevcairiel | cogwheel: 3.0 has a new engineering mail box |
| 22:02.16 | Dewin | you can craft a 10-minute-CD(I think) hearthstone |
| 22:02.17 | NeoTron | 1 day cooldown is kind of bullshit though |
| 22:02.19 | nevcairiel | also it was in BC beta, removed for live, though |
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| 22:02.40 | Dewin | Craftable engineering mailbox will confuse the hell out of my mailbox locations addon >.> |
| 22:02.57 | cogwheel | haha |
| 22:03.08 | Dewin | whenever I visit a mailbox it remembers the location on the map for later |
| 22:03.15 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 22:03.21 | Dashkal | I remember discussion about a mailbox in BC beta, but it was apparently impossible to get bugfixed |
| 22:03.26 | NeoTron | does engineering give any eng only buffs/enchant type things? |
| 22:03.32 | cogwheel | yep |
| 22:03.34 | cogwheel | in 3.0 |
| 22:03.41 | nevcairiel | the goggles |
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| 22:03.44 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:03.46 | NightHawkTheSane | most crafting professions have self-only things now |
| 22:03.51 | nevcairiel | and you can enchant shit on items |
| 22:03.56 | nevcairiel | like the rocket boots before |
| 22:03.57 | Dashkal | The slow fall enchant is engy-only (only one I know off the top of my head) |
| 22:04.03 | nevcairiel | you can now enchant a rocket-use on your boots |
| 22:04.05 | cogwheel | slow fall for cloaks |
| 22:04.08 | cogwheel | rockets for boots |
| 22:04.22 | cogwheel | something i can't remember for belt |
| 22:04.22 | NightHawkTheSane | rocket launcher on gloves, i think as well |
| 22:04.33 | NeoTron | well goggles sure but that's not the same as a general buffed enchant or stuff |
| 22:04.42 | NeoTron | anything that helps with DPS.. or tanking :P |
| 22:04.52 | nevcairiel | engineering always was more fun then useful :) |
| 22:05.03 | Dashkal | at a guess the belt would be a bubble |
| 22:05.04 | nevcairiel | has some nice trinkets, though |
| 22:05.15 | Dashkal | Given that's what the engy belts do |
| 22:05.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, belt is gas cloud detection |
| 22:05.42 | cogwheel | haste on gloves |
| 22:05.43 | NeoTron | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=55039 => 48 dps.. if it doesn't backfire |
| 22:05.46 | Dashkal | on the belt? O.o nifty |
| 22:05.50 | Dewin | parachute cloak and rocket boots much annoyed me when a horde paladin kept harassing a group of people at the towers in hellfire and would bubble+rocket boots+para cloak to get to safety |
| 22:06.06 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, apparently belt also has.. mechanical creature confusion? o_0 |
| 22:06.16 | cogwheel | oh the belt also gets confusion against mechanicals |
| 22:06.30 | cogwheel | belt-clipped spynoculars |
| 22:06.43 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: dude, welcome to 1m30s ago :p |
| 22:06.52 | cogwheel | they don't just show gas clouds |
| 22:06.59 | cogwheel | they also let you "see far away" |
| 22:07.04 | NeoTron | mechanical stunner attached to belt |
| 22:07.42 | nevcairiel | cogwheel should really be faster on engineering stuff, considering he is a nifty gnome engineer .. well female, but ok |
| 22:07.49 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 22:07.50 | kd3 | har |
| 22:08.32 | NeoTron | I think I'll go inscription on my DK just because I got the mats and it means I dont have to drop it on another character |
| 22:08.38 | NeoTron | just trying to decide the 2nd profession |
| 22:09.02 | NightHawkTheSane | im going inscription on my druid, just so i can level it pre-wotlk, and he's the only one with dual gathering currently |
| 22:09.13 | NightHawkTheSane | no idea what im going to do on my DK, though, maybe just dual gather with him. |
| 22:09.23 | Dashkal | the haste to gloves enchant looks pretty cool |
| 22:09.29 | NeoTron | so BS's can add 4 sockets |
| 22:10.31 | NeoTron | that's quite a bit of extra stats |
| 22:10.47 | NightHawkTheSane | 4? |
| 22:10.48 | Dashkal | they're tying the mailbox again: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=40768 |
| 22:10.51 | NeoTron | wonder if there are any limitations, like only usable if the item doesn't already have sockets.. or replacing normal enchants |
| 22:10.54 | NightHawkTheSane | weapon, belt, helm..? |
| 22:10.56 | NeoTron | I assume the latter |
| 22:11.03 | NeoTron | I saw a 1h weapon one too |
| 22:11.07 | NeoTron | on wotlkwiki |
| 22:11.13 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, so mh/oh |
| 22:11.34 | NightHawkTheSane | .. which is still only 3 sockets for non-dw class/specs. |
| 22:12.33 | NeoTron | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=40767 that's pretty nice |
| 22:12.50 | NeoTron | I'd hope that they add a similar for a 2h wpn not just 1h |
| 22:12.54 | NeoTron | esp since 2h would be weaker |
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| 22:14.13 | Dashkal | I still think engineering will be worth it entirely for one item: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=40895 |
| 22:14.30 | NeoTron | lol |
| 22:14.32 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 22:17.45 | sacarasc | that sucks! |
| 22:17.51 | sacarasc | (i'm a goblin engineer) |
| 22:18.25 | Dashkal | *cackles* |
| 22:18.37 | kd3 | lmao |
| 22:18.40 | Dashkal | I'm a gnomish engineer. I've been somewhat ... bitter during BC |
| 22:18.50 | Dashkal | This is my sweet reward for sticking it out |
| 22:19.27 | sacarasc | yeah, as a gobbo engineer, i got the better teleport place and better trinket ;p |
| 22:19.34 | Dashkal | Mind you, you get the nukes (thermal sapper charges) for wintergrasp :p |
| 22:19.59 | Dashkal | sacarasc: I'm a druid. I got the better teleport :p |
| 22:20.06 | sacarasc | hehe |
| 22:20.13 | Dashkal | Gadget better when I can hit moonglade, and Toshley better when I can do dailies :p |
| 22:20.19 | Dewin | I have a 40 mage... I think I got the better teleport |
| 22:20.57 | p3lim | clad|sleep: http://upload.snelhest.org/images/080926WoWScrnShot_092608_001251.jpg |
| 22:20.57 | sacarasc | where is your HS set, Dewin? |
| 22:20.58 | Dashkal | It's a goblin hot dog. Enjoy. Also, pay no attention to that hissing sound. |
| 22:22.13 | Dewin | I saw a gnome on an elekk the other day... and the elekk does not scale down. |
| 22:22.29 | Dewin | which makes me want one for my gnome that much more |
| 22:23.01 | cogwheel | gnome mounts are actually bigger than many other races |
| 22:23.03 | Dashkal | I have a guildy who's going for the kodo for that very reason |
| 22:23.17 | cogwheel | it's really funny when my human lock is standing next to my wife's gnome lock while mounted |
| 22:23.28 | Dashkal | Dewin: they also look amusing on goatalopes (Talbuks) |
| 22:23.46 | cogwheel | or reindeer |
| 22:23.59 | Dewin | cogwheel: So that's why the elekk looked huger than usual |
| 22:24.15 | Thunder_Child | http://notalwaysright.com/because-pvp-in-produce-is-teh-suxxorz/778 |
| 22:24.21 | Dewin | I want to be off my bucket of bolts mechanostrider >.> |
| 22:25.47 | nevcairiel | its not that hard to get another mount |
| 22:26.03 | Neuro_Medivh | I hate mechanostriders |
| 22:26.54 | Dewin | nev: I'm short on money, only lv40ish on that toon, and haven't got around to grinding exalted with the right faction yet. |
| 22:27.15 | Dewin | + I pair that toon with my wife so I don't want to get too much XP w/o her. |
| 22:27.37 | nevcairiel | then dont worry about mounts until you can at least get a fast one =P |
| 22:27.38 | Dashkal | (Stupid question) How does one grind ex with another home faction? Just do their quests? |
| 22:27.51 | nevcairiel | mostly Dashkal |
| 22:27.52 | Dewin | Including low level ones |
| 22:27.58 | nevcairiel | can also hand in runecloth |
| 22:27.59 | Dewin | there's also a donation of wool + a donation of silk |
| 22:28.04 | Dashkal | aha, that's what I forgot |
| 22:28.06 | Dashkal | runecloth |
| 22:28.06 | kd3 | low-level quests |
| 22:28.10 | kd3 | that's how I did it |
| 22:28.14 | kd3 | runecloth is just pain |
| 22:28.18 | Kolie | Anyone get crashes when attempting to start the latest Curse Client 2.0.0.11 and willing to test out a fix for it? Could use some more help. |
| 22:28.18 | Dewin | It'll be easier in 3.0 when you can track low level quests |
| 22:28.39 | Dashkal | kd3 aoe + undead areas == decent runecloth returns |
| 22:28.49 | Dashkal | but yeah, doing the newbie area will be much faster |
| 22:29.14 | Dashkal | Just for kicks I'm gonna try to get my DK on a black kitty :p |
| 22:29.46 | Dewin | How does DK rep work with their faction's main cities anyways? |
| 22:29.53 | Dewin | After you're done with the DK questline that is |
| 22:30.06 | Dewin | Do you need exalted to buy your own race's mounts still? |
| 22:30.13 | kd3 | no |
| 22:30.18 | Dewin | phew |
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| 22:35.39 | Neuro_Medivh | Does Ebon Hold have a mailbox in it anywhere? |
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| 22:36.05 | kd3 | not afaik. There's one in the instanced version down on the ground, but that's it |
| 22:36.16 | kd3 | light's hope is a quick flight away |
| 22:38.51 | NeoTron | you used to be able to? |
| 22:39.37 | Dashkal | If there's a way I'm missing I'd love to hear it. But I think it currently has invisible walls to save the dumasses |
| 22:40.33 | kd3 | ebon hold has invisiwalls... none of the other neropoli do |
| 22:41.24 | Thunder_Child | thats the starting DK area right? |
| 22:41.41 | NeoTron | it is |
| 22:41.49 | NeoTron | but it's also the DK training area throughout the game |
| 22:41.50 | Thunder_Child | i can, i'm still bound to the top of it |
| 22:42.00 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: *jealous* |
| 22:42.25 | Dashkal | I like doing stupid things like that, and I'm perfectly willing to accept the spirit rez :p |
| 22:42.48 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, if you say so, the only thing fun is i can continually replay the final battle |
| 22:43.04 | Dashkal | oh you're bound inside. gotcha |
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| 22:48.27 | Adys | Could someone explain me how aguf does it better than I do? =/ http://pastebin.com/da84ce6c - http://i34.tinypic.com/wrhrgj.jpg |
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| 22:50.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Unrelated to WoW but.... Jack Thompson has been disbarred |
| 22:50.33 | Dewin | old news is old |
| 22:51.14 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 22:51.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I just noticed it on my feeds - gamepolitics.com is down as a result |
| 22:54.32 | Kirov | old news is still good news |
| 22:55.49 | Cide | old news can be good news |
| 22:56.48 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* http://notalwaysright.com/phrase-of-the-day-obesity-epidemic/743 |
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| 22:57.14 | Kirov | On a slightly related note, as much as I think Stephen King is a bit of a literary hack at this point, and has been very vocal in the past about his distain for Video Games... it's nice to have him on our side when it comes to the legal side of things. |
| 23:01.05 | cogwheel | !api flyabe |
| 23:01.06 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'flyabe'. |
| 23:01.07 | cogwheel | !api flyable |
| 23:01.08 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'IsFlyableArea' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsFlyableArea |
| 23:01.41 | Kirov | baby mayonnaise ... mayo made from babies! |
| 23:02.00 | Kirov | Which would be all mayo not sold in the US. |
| 23:02.10 | Kirov | (ie: mayo actually made from eggs) |
| 23:02.24 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: wtb IsFlyableArea actually being something more than just [flyable] >< |
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| 23:02.41 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: hook it |
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| 23:02.55 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&postId=104820078870&sid=1#246 |
| 23:02.58 | Emereck | Hello all |
| 23:03.03 | cogwheel | 'ello |
| 23:03.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i just wrote my own version, in the end. its just frustrating |
| 23:03.25 | NightHawkTheSane | which, i need to update to handle dalaran [more or less] properly |
| 23:03.36 | Emereck | Anyone have time to try and help me with a quest tracker problem |
| 23:03.56 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: I'd rather not bork up [flyable] if i do something wrong, either ;) |
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| 23:06.51 | Kirov | Emereck - depends on the problem |
| 23:07.01 | Emereck | I use the Right 1 & 2 Actionbars and the Quest Tracking List is hidden behind them. Anyone know how to move the list? Is that part of PartyQuest? |
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| 23:08.10 | Kirov | The default game has a tracking list, which I believe should move if you have those bars enabled |
| 23:08.30 | Shirik | rawr |
| 23:08.35 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 23:08.59 | Kirov | It's very PartyQuest has an option to move it, which may be the reason why it's not moving out from behind it (and peculiar as that is) |
| 23:09.10 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 23:09.14 | Shirik | hi |
| 23:09.19 | Shirik | So this is so wierd |
| 23:09.20 | Cairenn | Shirik: Shiibot worked very nicely yesterday :) |
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| 23:09.28 | Shirik | South of me is Canada |
| 23:09.33 | Shirik | did it? |
| 23:09.37 | Cairenn | he locked the channel twice |
| 23:09.42 | Shirik | Is that good? |
| 23:09.44 | Kirov | What is Shiibot? |
| 23:09.44 | Shirik | or bad? |
| 23:09.45 | Cairenn | yup |
| 23:09.49 | Cairenn | it was good |
| 23:09.53 | Cairenn | spammer was here |
| 23:09.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: well, it stopped spammers, so.. good. |
| 23:09.59 | Shirik | I missed it :( |
| 23:10.02 | Cairenn | worked perfectly |
| 23:10.05 | Kirov | It stopped me from getting in too. |
| 23:10.06 | |pez| | is Shiibot the new purl? |
| 23:10.07 | Kirov | >.< |
| 23:10.12 | Cairenn | no |
| 23:10.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: also a win! |
| 23:10.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 23:10.26 | Gnarfoz | how's identifying hard? :< |
| 23:10.30 | Cairenn | Shiibot is strictly to lock the channel when the spammer hits |
| 23:10.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ~comfort Kirov |
| 23:10.32 | purl | There, there, Kirov. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:10.42 | Kirov | ~botsnack |
| 23:10.42 | purl | Kirov: thanks |
| 23:10.48 | Cairenn | set it +R |
| 23:10.51 | Emereck | I cannot find any where in PartyQuest to move it, and it does not move with the actionbars on or off. Not sure what is going on :( |
| 23:11.18 | Shirik | How fast did it respond? |
| 23:11.43 | Cide | after two bots had spammed, I believe? |
| 23:11.54 | Cide | ~6 bots had joined, but only two had spammed |
| 23:11.56 | Shirik | let me go see my logs |
| 23:12.26 | Kirov | Emereck - give me a few |
| 23:12.33 | Emereck | Okay thanks Kirov |
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| 23:18.56 | Kirov | Emereck - ok, it appears that Blizzard's own code does not properly handle the side action bars. |
| 23:19.09 | Kirov | Emereck - and PartyQuest has no way of moving it that I can find. |
| 23:19.24 | Emereck | Kirov - OKay thanks for the help. |
| 23:19.36 | Kirov | Emereck - There are plenty of addons that do though. If you're using Cosmos, it should have a frame moving addon. |
| 23:20.36 | Shirik | WTF ScytheBlade1!! |
| 23:20.38 | Emereck | Kirov - I will take a look |
| 23:20.50 | Shirik | I see your first response to Shiibot! |
| 23:20.50 | ScytheBlade1 | WTF Shirik!!! |
| 23:20.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Hahahahahahahaha |
| 23:21.01 | Shirik | :ScytheBlade1!n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1 PRIVMSG #WoWUIDev :+Holy crap |
| 23:21.01 | ScytheBlade1 | So much -win- right there |
| 23:21.07 | ScytheBlade1 | fwiw |
| 23:21.07 | Shirik | :ScytheBlade1!n=Death@about/pxe/ScytheBlade1 PRIVMSG #WoWUIDev :+It worked |
| 23:21.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm STILL looking for my jaw |
| 23:21.32 | Shirik | :Neuro_Medivh!n=neuro@pool-96-226-8-74.dllstx.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #WoWUIDev :+I'm as shocked as you guys |
| 23:21.33 | Shirik | WTF! |
| 23:21.35 | Shirik | I hate you all :( |
| 23:21.42 | Cide | it was an epic moment |
| 23:21.50 | ScytheBlade1 | 19:21 < ScytheBlade1> I'm STILL looking for my jaw |
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| 23:22.08 | Kirov | Shirik - you use FIOS? |
| 23:22.17 | Shirik | negative |
| 23:22.26 | Shirik | why's that? |
| 23:22.35 | Kirov | o |
| 23:22.39 | Kirov | neuro |
| 23:23.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: look a few lines below where I said that |
| 23:23.42 | Cide | http://kalleboo.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/b0/b039c41bb7c8d5d60d8dfe6ff5d776971255a593.jpg |
| 23:23.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I remained awestruck for several minutes afterwards |
| 23:24.04 | Shirik | I see that ScytheBlade1 :) |
| 23:24.10 | Shirik | I just figured I should stop quotiong random lines |
| 23:24.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 23:24.36 | Sixen | cide: Lawl |
| 23:24.53 | Antiarc | Cide: Please tell me that's a 'shoop |
| 23:25.00 | Cide | I don't know |
| 23:25.05 | Cide | hilarious if it isn't |
| 23:25.06 | Kirov | Doesn't look like it. |
| 23:25.15 | Antiarc | They're holding a rainbow flag |
| 23:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | old picture is old |
| 23:26.34 | Cide | you're old |
| 23:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | And still in shock that Shiibot worked |
| 23:27.09 | ScytheBlade1 | And continues to work |
| 23:27.12 | Antiarc | What the hell was shiibot |
| 23:27.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Somewhat well, even |
| 23:27.19 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:27.20 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a bot shirik wrote in Lua |
| 23:27.21 | Antiarc | I woke up this morning to find myself in that channel |
| 23:27.23 | Shirik | None of you trust me :( |
| 23:27.29 | Shirik | oh sorry Antiarc |
| 23:27.31 | Shirik | get a registered nick |
| 23:27.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It detects crapfloods and sets +rR |
| 23:27.36 | Antiarc | I am registered :( |
| 23:27.37 | Cide | the lock is a bit long I think |
| 23:27.38 | Antiarc | But that's cool |
| 23:27.46 | Shirik | It's shorter than what Cairenn wanted, Cide :) |
| 23:27.53 | Cide | /shrug |
| 23:28.08 | Dewin | why not just have it tempban whoever crapflooded? |
| 23:28.10 | Shirik | It didn't react quite as quickly as I had hoped, though |
| 23:28.26 | Cide | my suggested addition probably would |
| 23:28.33 | Shirik | Dewin: The only good ban would be *.* |
| 23:28.35 | Kirov | So, that picture is fairly obviously taken in Boston, and the SJC is the Supreme Judicial Court in Massachusetts that legalized gay marrage. |
| 23:28.36 | Cide | most of the bots didn't actually say anything |
| 23:28.39 | Shirik | Cide: I know why |
| 23:28.51 | Shirik | It was my module that ended up picking up the spam |
| 23:28.59 | Cide | of course |
| 23:29.02 | Antiarc | Kirov: Yeah, googling the phone number leads to the myspace page of a young agnostic democratic activist |
| 23:29.10 | Antiarc | I'm going to guess they won't be anti-gay :P |
| 23:29.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Man, we have way too many pages on [flyable] in the 3.0 changes thread |
| 23:29.26 | Cide | it wasn't actual "spam" |
| 23:29.33 | Shirik | yah |
| 23:29.35 | Cide | just "gibberish" |
| 23:29.42 | Cide | anyway |
| 23:29.45 | Cide | did you get my email? |
| 23:29.56 | Shirik | probably, but I have very limited internet access right now |
| 23:30.04 | Cide | ah |
| 23:30.17 | Cide | it has a suggested addition in any case |
| 23:30.18 | Antiarc | Ugh. |
| 23:30.21 | Antiarc | Ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh. |
| 23:30.22 | Antiarc | http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/09/moby_dick_is_the_new_definitio.php |
| 23:30.29 | Shirik | ok I'll check it out |
| 23:32.04 | Maldivia | *smirk* Typhoon-fun :) |
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| 23:35.15 | Tem | SWAT CATS WAS AWESOME |
| 23:35.28 | Tem | Also, Darkwing Duck |
| 23:36.15 | *** part/#wowuidev rufus__ (n=rufus@c-98-226-41-174.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 23:37.36 | Kirov | Darkwing Duck is awesomeness |
| 23:38.05 | Kirov | It's like Duck Tails, Inspector Gadget, and Batman all in one! |
| 23:38.31 | Tem | Mark Hamil is the best joker ever |
| 23:38.40 | Tem | Marc? |
| 23:38.43 | Kirov | A mashup of my previous and current cartoon favorites?! What could go wrong! |
| 23:39.17 | Kirov | (surprisingly, nothing, as Darkwing Duck is effing awesome) |
| 23:40.03 | Kirov | Granted, I'm also one of those people who actually really liked TaleSpin, even if the name of the show makes no sense |
| 23:40.42 | Kirov | (the play on the word Tailspin does not make up for it being dumb) |
| 23:41.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Whee, Bejewled for WoW is up for download now |
| 23:41.15 | Dewin | Is there a builtin way to merge tables in Lua? |
| 23:41.29 | Shirik | uh |
| 23:41.34 | Shirik | there might be :) |
| 23:41.40 | Shirik | that depends on what your tables are |
| 23:41.44 | Shirik | and how you want them merged |
| 23:42.05 | Shirik | there's a lot of interesting things you can do at O(1) if you're willing to sacrifice certain things |
| 23:42.10 | Dewin | basically for each key in table2 if not set in table1 set to table2[key] |
| 23:42.24 | Shirik | What happens to table2 after this merge? |
| 23:42.36 | Dewin | table2 should be treated as read-only |
| 23:42.40 | Shirik | Will it likely be GCed? Will it be modified? |
| 23:42.57 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: srsly, I already had someone in my (german, meaning "Bejeweled" is next to unknown here) guild spam guild chat with "[BejeweledAddon] Player achieved <some crap>!" |
| 23:43.06 | Gnarfoz | (yeah, it seems it's spammy that way, by default.) |
| 23:43.07 | Shirik | Will it ever be modified, that's really the critical question (not from the scope of the merge function, but from the scope of the person wanting the merge |
| 23:43.19 | Dewin | Yes. |
| 23:43.35 | Dewin | Table2 is configuration data. Table1 is going to be the resultant set of merging several sets of configuration data |
| 23:43.41 | Shirik | will the merged table ever be used after table2 has been modified after the merge? |
| 23:43.53 | Dewin | yes. |
| 23:44.06 | Dewin | err... |
| 23:44.09 | Shirik | And the merged table should keep the original data, not the new data |
| 23:44.13 | Dewin | hmm. No. The merged table is a local. |
| 23:44.25 | Dewin | the table being merged in is global |
| 23:44.28 | Shirik | so it will be discarded |
| 23:44.31 | Dewin | yes. |
| 23:44.38 | Shirik | ok then you can cheat and have an O(1) merge |
| 23:46.06 | Shirik | lua> t1 = {a = 1, b = 2, c = 3}; t2 = {c = 4, d = 5, e = 6}; mergedTable = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k,v) return (t1[k] or t2[k]) or nil; end}); return mergedTable.a, mergedTable.b, mergedTable.c, mergedTable.d, mergedTable.e, mergedTable.f, mergedTable.g |
| 23:46.07 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, nil, nil |
| 23:46.48 | Shirik | Anyway, I'm glad that bot worked :) Keep me informed! I shall return to normal status around Sunday night :) |
| 23:47.31 | Dewin | Somehow I don't think this will work when I need to merge a third table in down the line. |
| 23:47.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Anyone willing to take a quick look at this and see if I'm being stupid anywhere, or if there's a simpler way to do it? http://pastebin.com/m4423be81 |
| 23:47.50 | Shirik | you just need to chain __index |
| 23:47.53 | Shirik | not really hard :) |
| 23:47.59 | Shirik | ask people here for assistance, unfortunately I need to go |
| 23:48.04 | Shirik | Someone here should be able to understand it though |
| 23:48.04 | Dewin | take care |
| 23:48.14 | Shirik | To answer your question directly, though, no, a copy is not built in |
| 23:48.23 | Shirik | you would do it by using pairs() and iterating over every element and copying it manually |
| 23:48.28 | Dewin | <-- is still a lua newbie |
| 23:48.38 | Shirik | However, that is an O(n) operation, whereas my version is O(1) |
| 23:48.51 | Shirik | good luck :) |
| 23:48.57 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: the function would call itself in line 5 |
| 23:49.47 | Dewin | It's only needed 'seldomly' so the cost isn't too expensive. |
| 23:49.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: okay, aside from that. ;) the function will actually belong to my addon's object so it wont be in the global namespace. |
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| 23:52.29 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: your continent check should be last (if its even needed) |
| 23:54.08 | Yssaril | check sequence should be can we fly? can we fly in this area? are we in northrend and do we have cold flying? are we not in dalaran and not in Krasus' Landing |
| 23:54.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: hm, that wouldn't work, because the following if statements assume we're already in northrend |
| 23:55.06 | NightHawkTheSane | if we're in a flyable area, and NOT in northrend, the cold weather check is superfluous, but if we don't have it, it would just return false, which isn't necessarily true. |
| 23:55.19 | Yssaril | but if you are in northred you currently return true thus the the below checks dont matter since thy will never be called |
| 23:55.52 | NightHawkTheSane | er, if we ARE in northrend, the below checks matter. because that's where we have to check for Cold weather flying, dalaran, etc |
| 23:55.55 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: btw whats this for? |
| 23:56.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: my mount addon |
| 23:56.35 | NightHawkTheSane | more or less gives you one binding to randomly select the best mount for where you are |
| 23:56.46 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: let me fix it for you |
| 23:56.54 | Dewin | So what's the deal with [flyable] again? |
| 23:57.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: what do you mean? |
| 23:57.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: post a reply on that pastey and feel free :) |
| 23:57.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i might just be missing what your saying |
| 23:57.26 | Arrowmaster | so the bejeweled addon is bugged, the minimap icon doesnt seem to have an onmouseout to hide the tooltip, cant believe they missed that |
| 23:57.42 | Dewin | I currently just do /cast [flyable] Swift Red Grpyhon ; Swift Nightsaber |
| 23:57.45 | Arrowmaster | and the counter for number of times entered combat with it open is completely broken |
| 23:58.26 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: http://pastebin.com/m2aeba3dc |
| 23:58.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: [flyable] evaluates true in northrend, regardless of whether you have Cold Weather Flying or not. Further, most of dalaran is a no-fly-zone, despite the fact that [flyable] still evaluates to true, except for the sub-zone krasus' landing |
| 23:59.18 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: instead of returning true if in northrend it will now simply run the other checks and if they all fail return true at the very end |
| 23:59.21 | kd3 | which is annoying, because at one point I'm pretty sure [flyable] respected whether or not players have CWF |
| 23:59.30 | Dewin | Oh. Joyous. And that's not going to be fixed? |
