IRC log for #wowuidev on 20080923

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23:01.17Lopeppeppy~botsnack
23:01.17purl:), Lopeppeppy
23:01.23LopeppeppyYayyy!  purl is back.
23:01.33cog|work~hug purl
23:01.33purlACTION jumps into purl's lap and huggles and *hugs* purl
23:02.10Thunder_Childhttp://notalwaysright.com/kitteh-sez-stfu/1203 >.<
23:03.22Neuro_MedivhI swear, half of those things sound made-up
23:03.42Thunder_Childi know, whats sad though is that i quite belive it
23:03.50Thunder_Child$5 says that was Cairenn|afk
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23:04.51NightHawkTheSaneThunder_Child: on which end..? :p
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23:05.16Cairenn|afkheh
23:05.17Cairenn|afknope
23:05.24LopeppeppyCairenn is innnnnnooooooo cent!
23:05.25Cairenn|afkbut it's cute
23:05.37Thunder_ChildNightHawkTheSane, either is fine
23:09.23ScytheBlade1Okay, the @ Jelly thread is awesome
23:09.27cog|workThunder_Child: pay up
23:10.12Thunder_Childcog|work. 1. no one bet me, 2. that assumes Cairenn|afk is telling the truth
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23:13.33Yssarilwould PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED and RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE be the best events to listen to if you want to check weather you are in a party or raid?
23:14.35cbreakyou can check if you are in a party or raid
23:14.44cbreakwithout events
23:14.51Gngskyssaril, those events, especially raid roster, fire quite often. why not just check GetNumpartyMembers or w/e like cbreak suggests
23:15.32Neuro_Medivhwhy do something simple when you can do it backasswards though?
23:15.33ScytheBlade1heh @ honor points reset
23:15.36ScytheBlade1That's going to piss people off
23:15.42Neuro_Medivhya think?
23:15.57cbreakhonor points reset?
23:16.01ScytheBlade1And tokens
23:16.03cbreakonly arena I thought
23:16.07ScytheBlade1Honor points and BG tokens --> 0
23:16.15ScytheBlade1Arena points aren't mentioned, I'm assuming they will stay in place
23:16.18Neuro_Medivhhere's the funny part: they could immediately say "ok, we're not reseting honor points" and there would STILL be QQ
23:16.21Yssarilcause i want to know when i join leave a party/raid :P and run some functions when i do
23:16.24Endarena go away when you hit 71
23:16.24cbreakarena points will be reset
23:16.28cbreakonce you level to 71
23:16.35ScytheBlade1Oh, that's right
23:16.42cbreakbut I haven't seen blue post anything about the rest
23:16.47ScytheBlade1http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043252440&sid=1&pageNo=1
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23:19.03cbreakhmm... I only read the beta forums... thanks for telling me :)
23:20.08Yssarilso any other suggestions on how to fire something of when i join/leave a raid or a party?
23:23.05ScytheBlade1http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/09/23/interesting-items-in-the-data-files/ <-- wowinsider is slow, I've purchased and used at least one of those items already :P
23:23.21GngskYssaril, yah those events are what you want. You can check out ora2's LoadonDemand.lua to see how it handles joining/leaving a raid
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23:26.13|Jelly|SytheBlade1: Why is it awesome? o.O
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23:28.20ScytheBlade1|Jelly|: because it made me laugh, that's about it. Not every thread in the UI forums is a literal mine designed to agitate a single person to a varying degree
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23:30.15DashkalScytheBlade1: the floating skull is win :p
23:30.34DashkalI immediately went to the pet store and made it shine too...
23:30.34ZorbaTHuthey, anyone on the test realm? does the Northrend continent show up on the test realm world map?
23:30.40kd3yes
23:30.45LopeppeppyI... made you cry?
23:30.50ZorbaTHutexcellent, that makes things easier. thanks kd3
23:30.53|Jelly|No. Sbo did.
23:30.59LopeppeppyOh.
23:31.05Lopeppeppy~poke ScytheBlade1.
23:31.05purlACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind ScytheBlade1., pokes ScytheBlade1. repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
23:31.13|Jelly|AMG PURL!
23:31.16|Jelly|~botsnack
23:31.16purlaw, gee, |Jelly|
23:31.26End~lart Fisker-
23:31.26purloffers Fisker- some herring
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23:32.12NightHawkTheSanePUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURL!
23:32.14NightHawkTheSane~~~~
23:32.14purlARGH!!! STOP IT nighthawkthesane!!!
23:32.18NightHawkTheSaneheee
23:32.26End~~~~~~
23:32.27purlACTION takes out a revolver and shoots end in the head three times.
23:32.28Tem|workNHTS, quit it
23:32.39NightHawkTheSaneTem|work: you're no fun. ;)
23:32.53Tem|workTem++
23:32.54LopeppeppyWe don't want her killed again so soon, neh.
23:33.02|Jelly|KAMDIS, PEPPY, JELLY THREESOME INCOMING!
23:33.08ScytheBlade1Zootfizzle: I'm suddenly very tempted to post in the 3.0.2 Actual API changes thread.
23:38.27NightHawkTheSanethis is pretty neat: http://www.youtube.com/experiencewii
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23:43.24DewinIf you call obj:SetPoint(..., someHiddenFrame), but your object isn't parented to someHiddenFrame, what happens?
23:43.45NightHawkTheSaneyou blow up the server.
23:43.50Endno
23:43.56Endyou blow up the universe
23:44.09DewinThe two aren't the same?
23:44.11LopeppeppyEarth-shattering Kaboom.
23:44.16Endnot entirely
23:44.19NightHawkTheSaneheh
23:44.26ShirikDewin: Why do you think it would matter?
23:44.26Dewinnow that's different, as opposed to Azeroth-shattering kaboom.
23:44.39DewinShirik: I'm assuming it doesn't, but I wanted to confirm
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23:44.48NightHawkTheSaneDewin: (it works just fine, parenting and anchoring are unrelated i believe)
23:44.49Shirikit doesn't
23:45.13Dewinso it would attach to the points where the hypothetical hidden frame would be at if was visible?
23:45.30Shirikyes
23:45.38NightHawkTheSaneassuming said hidden frame was properly anchored as well, yeah
23:45.50Dewingood.
23:46.07ShirikNightHawkTheSane: I prefer to think of unanchored frames as being in another dimension
23:46.19ShirikTherefore even if it weren't "properly anchored" it would still be attached
23:46.24Shirikmerely attached in another dimension
23:46.27NightHawkTheSaneShirik: true, true.
23:46.30DewinShirik: Another dimension, or merely lost at sea?
23:46.43Shirikthis is for you to decide :)
23:46.58NightHawkTheSaneif you anchor a to b, and b isn't anchored anywhere, if you DO anchor b somewhere, a will adjust appropriately.
23:47.53Mikkindeed. same as moving b around. a moves with it.
23:48.17ShirikMaybe it just moves to the imaginary plane
23:48.23Shirikalong the imaginary axis, that is
23:48.35Mikkpossibly!
23:48.42NightHawkTheSanei think Shirik's moved to an imaginary plane
23:48.49ShirikIt's all the damn z transforms
23:48.59Shirikthey have ruined my beliefs of space
23:49.04Shirikcos(x) is no longer cos(x)
23:49.09Shirikit's e^jw
23:49.09Mikkit's Z coordinate goes from sqrt(-1) to a real coordinate dictated by frame layer and frame level
23:49.35NightHawkTheSaneShirik: you should write a hud-style attitude meter for wow. *nod* you have all the fancy maths.
23:49.40Shirik...
23:49.41Mikks/it's/its/
23:49.43Shirik.......
23:49.47Shirikthat's not funny
23:50.00NightHawkTheSaneShirik: actually, its really easy now.. >.>
23:50.07ShirikLet me go find a post from 2 years ago
23:50.09NightHawkTheSaneGetUnitPitch(unitID)
23:50.30Shirikit's fairly easy, Mikk
23:50.34ShirikI had all this worked out 2 years ago
23:50.36DewinMikk: My attitude meter currently reads you as 'sassy'.
23:51.02MikkIt's doubtlessly right, but _how_? oO
23:51.03Dewin... It also shows me as 'obnoxious', so it must not be entirely bug free.
23:51.17NightHawkTheSaneDewin: no no, that seems right. ;)
23:51.35ShirikPost 48, NightHawkTheSane: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=77785285&sid=1&pageNo=3
23:52.05Shirika = arccos([(1/(2sqrt(x^2+y^2)))(2x(dx/dt)+2y(dy/dt))]/[(m+1)s])
23:52.11NightHawkTheSaneShirik: GetUnitPitch(unitID)
23:52.15Shirikyes
23:52.19Shirikit saddens me
23:52.23NightHawkTheSane:P
23:52.27NightHawkTheSaneand yeah, i've read that thread before :)
23:53.01Mikkand of course shirik's formula fails badly if you're not moving
23:53.07Shirikyes yes
23:53.10Shirikquiet
23:53.11Mikkthen again you're not pitched if you're not moving are you
23:53.29ShirikPlanes don't stop mid-flight
23:53.33ShirikI go to an aeronautical school
23:53.36Shirikwe only think of planes
23:53.52Shirikhelicopters don't stop pitched either :P
23:54.26ShirikSadly, check out post 59 in that thread
23:54.27MikkShirik: yes the can! just pull the collective back!
23:54.29Shirikscary someone guessed it
23:54.45ShirikMikk, have I mentioned how much I hate helicopters?
23:54.49Mikkno =)
23:54.51ShirikI tried to design a flight computer for it once
23:54.53ShirikI gave up
23:56.07MikkEither way, you don't need any programming to tell if you're flying level
23:56.16MikkJust swivel your camera to either side and look :S
23:56.46MikkWhat I _do_ want is an altimeter!
23:57.00ScytheBlade1Sixen: don't worry about that thread you just posted in on the PTR forum... that's apparently a 4chan troll
23:57.12SixenThe APPARENTLY one?
23:57.16ShirikThat shouldn't be hard, Mikk
23:57.21MikkoO
23:57.22SixenOr the one by Khalord
23:57.23ShirikWell, it depends on how you define altimeter
23:57.32ScytheBlade1heh
23:57.35ScytheBlade1The one that was just deleted
23:57.40MikkAny kind of definition is good for me tbh :P
23:57.40Sixen<3
23:57.45ShirikIf you define it in the same sense as aeronautics, it's from a given level (sea level IRL)
23:58.00ShirikGiven that, it's simple integral based on unit pitch
23:58.19MikkHax.
23:58.26Mikk:P
23:58.41Shirikhowever
23:58.46cbreakShiibot: http://www.mikrokopter.de/ucwiki/
23:58.47MikkYou need to be sampling often and it will eventually lose accuracy.. but.. yeah i guess that works.
23:58.53ShirikI think most users would prefer the actual ground level
23:59.02MikkYes
23:59.07MikkBut that varies
23:59.08ShirikThere was discussion about creating a topographical map
23:59.13MikkYoink
23:59.42AbsoRayneI cannot wait to have the Barber Shops implimented...im so ired of my nelfs blue hair @_@
23:59.50MikkActually it's iffier thnan that because you get jostled up when you fly into things
23:59.50Shirikwhy the heck did you make it blue
23:59.52Shirikeew
23:59.58Shirikthis is true

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