| 00:00.08 | NightHawkTheSane | the mammoth may be intended to work the same, but not be implemented yet, or is bugged or something |
| 00:00.30 | Dewin | so if your driver decides to start running towards a cliff, what do you do? heh. |
| 00:00.58 | kd3 | commit suicide with him |
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| 00:01.34 | Dewin | Driver: "I was just trying to get [Going down?]!" Rider: "It says 65 yards, not 650." |
| 00:01.55 | Syzgyn | hah |
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| 00:02.54 | Dewin | I've decided I want to be around bodies of water as my shaman when wotlk comes out and cast water walking on unsuscepting people. |
| 00:03.00 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: how does "worjs like a vehicle" make it differ? |
| 00:03.29 | Dewin | NeoTron: There are keybinds, etc. for changing positions in a vehicle. |
| 00:03.43 | jaxdahl | all realms down |
| 00:03.45 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: well, the cycle is a different object than you, for one. /dismount and Dismount() don't work. |
| 00:03.48 | jaxdahl | is PTR realm down? |
| 00:03.52 | kd3 | ya |
| 00:04.32 | NightHawkTheSane | and a second character can right click on the cycle to hop in the sidecar. |
| 00:04.36 | Dashkal | patch confirmed: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10043278634-beta-patch-and-maintenance.html |
| 00:05.06 | Syzgyn | That was fast |
| 00:05.37 | jaxdahl | dammit |
| 00:05.44 | jaxdahl | why the hell do they post that info in a different forum every time |
| 00:05.49 | jaxdahl | it's like hide and seek |
| 00:05.55 | kd3 | just to screw with us |
| 00:06.14 | kd3 | huh |
| 00:06.18 | kd3 | post baleeted |
| 00:06.21 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: because it's differnt people posting |
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| 00:06.54 | jaxdahl | also, 5 hours this time? |
| 00:06.55 | jaxdahl | not 6 |
| 00:07.02 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* maybe its a small patch? |
| 00:07.07 | jaxdahl | also yeah, post deleted, could be accident or remaking post |
| 00:07.19 | jaxdahl | not really the correct forum for it |
| 00:07.25 | Icecoldcoke | NightHawk |
| 00:07.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Icecoldcoke |
| 00:07.30 | Icecoldcoke | I doubt it's small |
| 00:07.44 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i'm just making random guesses really. |
| 00:07.50 | Icecoldcoke | Since they have said thousands of times we're billions of builds behind them |
| 00:08.21 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043278646&sid=2000 |
| 00:08.22 | jaxdahl | new post |
| 00:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | that's pretty meaningless, though, who knows what build they're on and what build they're actually pushing out |
| 00:08.31 | Icecoldcoke | This build might be over 9000. |
| 00:08.51 | Icecoldcoke | LAst was 8962. |
| 00:09.11 | Dewin | OVER 9000?! |
| 00:09.17 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom is over 9000 |
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| 00:14.00 | Ackis | wow so the 2.x -> 2.4 patch I downloaded didn't have esMX for it... :( |
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| 00:21.42 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem|afk] by ChanServ |
| 00:21.51 | Tem|afk | do we know if it's a patch yet? |
| 00:22.05 | kd3 | yes: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043278646&sid=2000 |
| 00:22.15 | Tem|afk | awesome |
| 00:22.15 | Tem|afk | thanks |
| 00:22.31 | Tem|afk | making plans around beta downtime with your wow friends is hillarious |
| 00:22.31 | Icecoldcoke | The patch build isn't over 9000 :( How disappointing. |
| 00:22.37 | Tem|afk | lawl |
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| 00:27.20 | Dewin | patch is available for d/l? |
| 00:27.44 | Cide | can I has patch? |
| 00:27.51 | alestane | Not on Mac it isn't. |
| 00:27.53 | NightHawkTheSane | afaik, its not anywhere yet. |
| 00:27.59 | NightHawkTheSane | chicken, hamburger, or sausage? |
| 00:28.06 | Cide | hamburger |
| 00:28.07 | Cide | definitely |
| 00:28.44 | Dewin | then how does Icecoldcoke know the new patch build? heh |
| 00:29.56 | Icecoldcoke | Someone in wotlkwiki editors room said it's 8970 |
| 00:30.46 | Icecoldcoke | And it's on mmo-champ |
| 00:30.47 | Icecoldcoke | New build - 8970 |
| 00:30.47 | Icecoldcoke | Servers are currently down to apply a new build, this is most likely to hotfix the most urgent bugs but any new change will obviously be reported here as soon as it's available. |
| 00:30.47 | Icecoldcoke | Update 02:30 CET : 77.2Mb patch ... Might not be just hotfixes after all, stay tuned. |
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| 00:31.30 | Dashkal | probably mostly to fix the prison for the DKs :p |
| 00:31.54 | Dewin | so how laggy is beta? |
| 00:32.29 | Icecoldcoke | It's as laggy as a lag on a laggy day |
| 00:32.34 | Icecoldcoke | w/e that means. |
| 00:32.36 | Dewin | worse than the PTR realms then? |
| 00:32.37 | Dashkal | I haven't seen a day with less than one second command-lag in weeks (I'm in western canada, playing in primetime) |
| 00:32.56 | Dewin | I'd kill for one second lag lol |
| 00:32.58 | Duman | wow, another patch? heh |
| 00:33.06 | kd3 | there's a lot broken in this build |
| 00:33.15 | Icecoldcoke | Yeah.. |
| 00:33.20 | Dashkal | heh, one second is enough to make it unplayable for me. I've been making good progress in spore instead |
| 00:33.37 | Dewin | I want to try to salvage my chat log. >.> |
| 00:33.43 | Icecoldcoke | I actually don't lag often |
| 00:33.51 | Icecoldcoke | But im usually doing raids or dungeons |
| 00:33.54 | Dewin | As far as I can tell, it's something in ace2 that breaks it... at least, disabling all my ace2 addons fixed it |
| 00:34.13 | Duman | hmm |
| 00:34.15 | Dashkal | Dewin: IceHUD (Ace2/Dogtag) really fubared my UI last night. |
| 00:34.25 | alestane | Be interesting to see which way they fix metamorphosis. |
| 00:34.32 | Dashkal | It broke the options dialog so badly only video and effects survived |
| 00:35.11 | Icecoldcoke | No.. blizzard broke that. |
| 00:35.21 | Icecoldcoke | I think |
| 00:35.37 | Icecoldcoke | Maybe that was the main screen. |
| 00:36.05 | Dashkal | Icecoldcoke: disabling IceHUD fixed it |
| 00:36.42 | Dewin | Dashkal: The addon options were broke in the last patch, pretty bad |
| 00:36.57 | Dashkal | now obviously it was a change on blizard's end (I hadn't updated IceHUD -- there wasn't one at the time at all), but the dialog started working again (all the blizzard ones showed back up -- didn't check fortress) |
| 00:37.30 | Dewin | Dashkal: Grid, Cartographer, and other ace2 addons cause me to not be able to see any chat, regardless of my chat window settings |
| 00:37.46 | Dashkal | Dewin: carto is rock... |
| 00:39.06 | Dewin | I still want a good XP/rep bar addon >.> |
| 00:39.11 | alestane | Although several Cart plugins still require Ace libs. |
| 00:39.41 | Dewin | I'm holding out for ace2 itself to be fixed. |
| 00:39.44 | Dewin | I think |
| 00:39.55 | Dewin | even though I know ace3 is the 'current' version |
| 00:40.07 | Dewin | I think healers will downright revolt if grid isn't fixed. |
| 00:40.09 | Duman | where is sbo |
| 00:40.12 | Duman | I need my mirror |
| 00:40.23 | Dashkal | There's a branch for grid, but I haven't seen any work done on it lately |
| 00:41.19 | Dashkal | healbot apparently has some WotLK work on it, so your healers won't be screwed |
| 00:41.34 | Dewin | yeah, but my wife is a convert from Healbot to Grid and I don't think she could go back |
| 00:41.54 | NightHawkTheSane | what's not fixed about grid? o_0 |
| 00:41.55 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 00:42.08 | [SW]Dodge | Dewin: i dont think ace2 will be fixed for wrath |
| 00:42.28 | Dewin | Nighthawk: I'm not 100% certain, but I think it's one of the addons causing my chat log issues |
| 00:43.21 | Dewin | though it might be one of my GridStatus* addons/etc, or I might have had a false alarm when I disabled it |
| 00:43.27 | Dashkal | Having not seen any work on grid, I don't think she's getting a choice. |
| 00:43.47 | Dashkal | less there's dev going on outside of the svn? |
| 00:44.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: well, like i said, i've been using grid without any (major) issues |
| 00:44.11 | Dewin | What are the minor issues, Night? |
| 00:44.22 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: here's hoping they fix whatever happed now |
| 00:44.37 | Dashkal | I know the secure stuff that Grid uses is mostly untouched. So it's hardly unsalvagable |
| 00:44.54 | Dewin | I think Clique pretty much nukes whatever secure stuff Grid uses anyways |
| 00:44.55 | NightHawkTheSane | the healing prediction being off is the biggest one |
| 00:44.58 | Dewin | and I believe that's updated. |
| 00:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Why are people pinging when I can't see straight |
| 00:45.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh patch |
| 00:45.37 | End | ~ping ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:45.37 | purl | pong ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:45.46 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:45.56 | NightHawkTheSane | the only other one i can recall off hand is the DK color not being there, but if fixed that locally anyway |
| 00:46.24 | Ackis | god I'm getting an error of: function or expression too complex near self when I'm compiling my lua code... |
| 00:46.24 | Dewin | one thing that bugs me right now is all the "Works for WOTLK" addons on wowi that still use the old toc because they're supposed to be compatible with both versions |
| 00:46.34 | Dewin | So I don't know which addons I have are truly fixed or not without searching for each one of them on wowi |
| 00:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | tiny patch |
| 00:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: yeah, clique+grid is still working flawlessly for me in beta, so. |
| 00:47.19 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: good to know. I miss my grid |
| 00:47.31 | ScytheBlade1 | okay it's up for those who don't have it |
| 00:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | 8970 |
| 00:47.56 | Icecoldcoke | wut |
| 00:48.06 | Dewin | PTR won't give it to me >.> |
| 00:48.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It's on my server (enUS PC) |
| 00:48.32 | Icecoldcoke | Give me the link |
| 00:48.34 | Icecoldcoke | I always forget |
| 00:48.49 | Dashkal | meh, I thought I had copied that URL down |
| 00:49.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: osx ;) |
| 00:49.10 | End | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/ |
| 00:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Somewhere in there |
| 00:49.16 | ScytheBlade1 | What End said |
| 00:49.21 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: moment |
| 00:49.25 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 |
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| 00:49.48 | Dewin | qq on not having the ptr torrents :0 |
| 00:49.54 | Dashkal | <3 |
| 00:51.00 | smcn | You don't have permission to access /WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/torrents/ on this server. :( |
| 00:51.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I haven't done torrents in a while |
| 00:52.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Regular .exes are in the dir below that |
| 00:52.07 | ScytheBlade1 | OSX torrent however, is almost host |
| 00:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | s/host/up/ |
| 00:52.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Can't see, can't think, etc |
| 00:52.33 | Ackis | so anyone know what the error: function or expression too complex means? |
| 00:52.47 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't have a closing brace on a table definition |
| 00:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Usually |
| 00:53.22 | ScytheBlade1 | OSX torrent is up |
| 00:53.26 | Ackis | there aren't any tables in that file |
| 00:54.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Ackis: then you broke something in amazing ways |
| 00:54.14 | ScytheBlade1 | As usual pastey is your friend |
| 00:54.17 | Ackis | yah I tend to do that |
| 00:54.47 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/OSX/8963-8970-OSX-enUS.torrent |
| 00:54.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ OSC |
| 00:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | s/C/X/ |
| 00:55.20 | Ackis | http://wowi.pastey.net/96437 line 162 |
| 00:56.03 | ScytheBlade1 | c'mon pastey.. |
| 00:56.24 | Duman | pastey dead |
| 00:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 00:56.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: it's up btw |
| 00:56.36 | Ackis | I pastyed a 332kb file into pastey... gg me |
| 00:57.05 | End | haha |
| 00:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And you killed it, smooth |
| 00:57.20 | Ackis | I told you I break things |
| 00:58.00 | Ackis | I even broke my wow installation |
| 00:58.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: hmm. this torrent (and the last patch's) do not seem to be working. tracker keeps throwing a 404. |
| 00:58.24 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: then the tracker has no idea wtf that torrent is talking about, ie, it's not up yet :) |
| 00:58.38 | kd3 | yay |
| 00:58.39 | Ackis | could that error have something to do with how many arguments are passed in a function? |
| 00:58.51 | kd3 | direbrew has a chance of dropping either a kodo or a wolf for both sides |
| 00:58.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: last patch, it was doing it the entire time *shrug* :p |
| 00:59.24 | bleeter | kd3: saw that, ima gunna have to try and get a kodo for my gnome ;) |
| 00:59.25 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: weird. That's the file that I pulled directly out of the OSX downloader |
| 01:00.04 | kd3 | heh, the shipped patch notes are still fail |
| 01:00.18 | End | level 77 is cap |
| 01:00.21 | End | :P |
| 01:00.32 | End | I always check that :P |
| 01:02.09 | kd3 | hm... diff emails going out in 5 assuming there are changes. anyone not on my list want a copy? |
| 01:03.01 | Duman | heh, silly patch notes |
| 01:04.04 | jaxdahl | md5sum please |
| 01:04.30 | Duman | well, I'm seeing these: |
| 01:04.35 | Duman | cd6dc1555e99e55564b21f8964fbac55 WoW-3.0.2.8962-to-3.0.2.8970-enUS-patch.exe |
| 01:04.42 | Duman | and sha1: a179446717b2e9a0edb3c21c6c821b9478ca5d2c WoW-3.0.2.8962-to-3.0.2.8970-enUS-patch.exe |
| 01:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | [kyle@averageurl PC]$ md5sum WoW-3.0.2.8962-to-3.0.2.8970-enUS-patch.exe |
| 01:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | cd6dc1555e99e55564b21f8964fbac55 WoW-3.0.2.8962-to-3.0.2.8970-enUS-patch.exe |
| 01:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | jaxdahl: what OS are you running? |
| 01:05.07 | jaxdahl | cd6dc1555e99e55564b21f8964fbac55 is what i have |
| 01:05.44 | jaxdahl | i missed a piece so i was missing a signature |
| 01:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I see |
| 01:06.09 | jaxdahl | it checks out fine now |
| 01:06.56 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, afk, this migraine burns |
| 01:06.56 | Ackis | that pastey that didn't work is on this svn link: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/AckisRecipeList/NewDB/AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Cook.lua |
| 01:08.17 | Syzgyn | oh snap http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10043238782-brewfest-and-mount-availability.html |
| 01:08.41 | Syzgyn | I'ma get me a Kodo! |
| 01:09.34 | Arrowmaster | is there a limit to the number of times you can kill him? |
| 01:09.43 | Arrowmaster | like once a day? |
| 01:09.46 | kd3 | 5 times an hour? |
| 01:09.52 | Syzgyn | I expect its like the headless horseman, once a day per person? |
| 01:09.59 | kd3 | blah |
| 01:10.06 | Arrowmaster | i hope not |
| 01:10.20 | Syzgyn | just a guess, but I doubt its just on lockout |
| 01:10.33 | kd3 | emails out |
| 01:11.56 | Keias | 8970 is the newest beta build, correct? |
| 01:12.06 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
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| 01:12.23 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 01:12.31 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik: http://www.kongregate.com/games/Coolio_Niato/light-bot |
| 01:12.48 | Dewin | Why does the reputation API have to be so... odd. |
| 01:13.32 | Syzgyn | I think you mean 'why does the API have to be so... odd.' |
| 01:13.33 | kd3 | +TRANSFER_ABORT_TOO_MANY_REALM_INSTANCES = "Additional instances cannot be la+TRANSFER_ABORT_TOO_MANY_REALM_INSTANCES = "Additional instances cannot be launched, please try again later.";unched, please try again later."; |
| 01:13.49 | kd3 | kus |
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| 01:13.50 | kd3 | o |
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| 01:14.48 | Dewin | I don't see a way to query the current reputation of all standings (including those that are collapsed in the reputation frame) |
| 01:14.53 | Dewin | kind of annoying :) |
| 01:15.09 | kd3 | iterate through the list? |
| 01:15.47 | Dewin | The collapsed reputations aren't shown, unless the API docs are wrong |
| 01:16.21 | Syzgyn | So expand them |
| 01:16.48 | Dewin | Not friendly to other addons |
| 01:17.08 | smcn | in-game poker incoming: +SPELL_FAILED_CUSTOM_ERROR_47 = "No targets close enough to bluff."; |
| 01:17.12 | smcn | :P |
| 01:17.21 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 01:17.22 | Dewin | lol... |
| 01:17.23 | NightHawkTheSane | "-fubar = true" |
| 01:17.36 | Syzgyn | Record the collapsed/open status first, then revert to that after? |
| 01:18.00 | Dewin | Szy: Possible... but I'd have to a) Expand it, b) wait for the event c) do my work, d) recollapse it. |
| 01:18.27 | Syzgyn | ok :P |
| 01:18.47 | Dewin | In the meantime, every other rep-watching-addon will get the relevant events and have to waste work |
| 01:19.04 | Dewin | I think I might just restrict it to noncollapsed reps |
| 01:19.08 | kd3 | so then go "ok. the user doesn't care about these factions. let's not bother" |
| 01:19.38 | Syzgyn | that works too |
| 01:19.41 | Dewin | I'm thinking of something that would be a hybrid XP/rep (multiple reps at once)/tradeskill progerss bar. |
| 01:19.50 | bleeter | NET_PROMOTER ? |
| 01:20.17 | Syzgyn | Dewin: Check how Reputation_Fu or some other mod does it |
| 01:20.40 | Dewin | yeah, most of those I've seen only track your current watched profession |
| 01:20.42 | Dewin | I think I have some ideas though |
| 01:20.45 | jaxdahl | this is patching very very slowly |
| 01:20.55 | kd3 | like all recent patches... |
| 01:20.58 | jaxdahl | especially for a 77 mb patch |
| 01:21.25 | jaxdahl | thank you for the diff, kd3 |
| 01:21.36 | kd3 | np |
| 01:21.49 | Dewin | no ptr patch yet >.> |
| 01:22.10 | kd3 | sigh. they still haven't added the wrathgate cutscene |
| 01:22.19 | kd3 | not showing up in tonight's patch |
| 01:23.14 | End | damn |
| 01:23.20 | Dashkal | drat, guess I need to wait longer on that |
| 01:23.35 | kd3 | you can turn it in. there's an NPC that will let you review it after the fact |
| 01:23.42 | kd3 | though talking to her still doesn't do anything, obviously |
| 01:24.20 | Dashkal | I've completed up to where it let you before they added the dragon. I have no quest atm. Might as well wait for it to work |
| 01:24.32 | End | the dragon has the quest |
| 01:24.33 | End | or should |
| 01:24.36 | Dashkal | I know |
| 01:25.00 | Dashkal | freedom time |
| 01:32.00 | Icecoldcoke | All totems have been changed to last 5 minutes instead of 2. |
| 01:32.15 | NightHawkTheSane | \o/ |
| 01:32.45 | Dewin | I'd rather they reduce the mana cost on them so it's feasible to use them on short (soloing/duoing type) encounters |
| 01:33.13 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, i'm okay with not really using totems when soloing |
| 01:33.33 | Icecoldcoke | Fights soloing are too short for totems to even be useful |
| 01:33.34 | Dewin | I wish I could just pick up my mana spring totem and carry it with me |
| 01:33.34 | End | all? |
| 01:33.38 | End | even fire ele? |
| 01:33.48 | Icecoldcoke | The only time I use them really is.. like soloing group quests |
| 01:33.58 | NightHawkTheSane | and if you can pull 3-5ish mobs without moving very much, totems are fine then |
| 01:34.11 | Dewin | My point was I wish they made the mana cost shorter so they COULD be more useful while soloing |
| 01:34.14 | Dewin | rather than increasing the duration |
| 01:34.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: honestly, mana hasn't been an issue for me, but that was as elemental |
| 01:34.26 | Dewin | I'm enhancement, lv32ish. |
| 01:34.41 | Icecoldcoke | Dewin: If they reduce the mana cost they have to reduce their power |
| 01:34.45 | Dewin | Mana's not a problem if I'm conservative and I rely on the feral druid for after-combat heals |
| 01:34.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: well, the duration issue comes up in boss fights. it sucks to have to burn 4 gcds to refresh totems every 2 minutes. |
| 01:34.57 | NightHawkTheSane | especially as resto |
| 01:35.04 | Dewin | hmm, I can see that. |
| 01:35.31 | Dewin | making totemic recall bring back a little more mana (say, based on remaining duration) woudl work too |
| 01:35.55 | Dewin | for the soloing side, that is |
| 01:36.09 | Icecoldcoke | They don't revolve the game around soloing |
| 01:36.16 | Icecoldcoke | It's an MMO, you're supposed to play with other people |
| 01:36.33 | Dewin | well, considering I'm technically duoing... but yes |
| 01:36.59 | NightHawkTheSane | mm. im going to have to see how i like riptide |
| 01:37.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i like that we have a hot. i dont like that chain heal consumes it, esp with 4-bounce CHs |
| 01:37.17 | Icecoldcoke | Beacon of Light now lasts 1 minute. lol? |
| 01:37.57 | Icecoldcoke | The +25% effect is good |
| 01:37.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Icecoldcoke: what spec are you in beta right now, anyway? |
| 01:38.06 | Icecoldcoke | It will make my 5.1k CH do over 6k |
| 01:38.20 | Icecoldcoke | I go inbetween ele and resto.. usually resto because Im bad at LB spam |
| 01:38.25 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 01:38.47 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it's FS, LBx3, LvB, repeat. but.. :p |
| 01:39.03 | NightHawkTheSane | how do you feel about your healing ability compared to other healers? |
| 01:39.15 | Icecoldcoke | No, it's been tested 900 times that FS LBx3 LvB is worse DPS than LB spam |
| 01:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ive noticed in the (very few) raids i've done, i'm lagging behind pallies and druids a bit. |
| 01:39.34 | Icecoldcoke | I don't really use healing meters..s o |
| 01:39.36 | Icecoldcoke | no clue |
| 01:39.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 01:41.23 | bleeter | poly black cat and serpent woots! |
| 01:45.35 | Syzgyn | Gogo more warrior nerfs! |
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| 01:48.04 | Wraithan | ~seen alarisha |
| 01:48.05 | purl | alarisha <n=alarisha@host-212-158-206-51.bulldogdsl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 686d 8h 47m 13s ago, saying: 'ah nice, will look at that then and see how it does it'. |
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| 01:51.52 | Icecoldcoke | ~seen cookies |
| 01:51.53 | purl | cookies <n=551fbbb7@bz.bzflag.bz> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 136d 8h 12m 19s ago, saying: 'hi all'. |
| 01:52.01 | Icecoldcoke | lol |
| 01:52.04 | NightHawkTheSane | tuna, swiss, and bacon = looooooove. |
| 01:52.51 | Icecoldcoke | The reset UI options button scares me. |
| 01:53.11 | Lopeppeppy | It should. It's made of fail and the tears of angels and the blood of innocents. |
| 01:53.12 | bleeter | the word 'settings' scares me |
| 01:53.13 | NightHawkTheSane | it will delete your WTF & Interface directories! FEAR IT! |
| 01:53.15 | Lopeppeppy | And chocolate. |
| 01:53.23 | NightHawkTheSane | mm. chocolate. |
| 01:53.33 | Lopeppeppy | Chocolate holds the world together, my friend. |
| 01:53.43 | bleeter | what else is it going to reset? my shoe phone? |
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| 01:54.08 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: yes. and your house/apartment number, as well as your cat and/or dog. |
| 01:54.12 | Lopeppeppy | Why not, bleeter |
| 01:54.24 | bleeter | wrath keeps getting better each day |
| 01:54.26 | Icecoldcoke | I think they added it so instead of the old delete your wtf/interface etc they can say HIT THAT BIGGGGG RESET BUTTON. |
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| 01:57.34 | ZorbaTHut | that's probably a really good idea on their part |
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| 02:00.39 | Saiket | I think that options window on the login glue screen needs a cancel button... |
| 02:01.01 | Stanzilla | agree |
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| 02:01.10 | Saiket | I was about to click the last button to close it on auto-pilot and nearly reset everything. :P |
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| 02:01.33 | Dewin | does it have a confirm? |
| 02:01.41 | Saiket | Too afraid to test... |
| 02:01.54 | Dewin | PTR client still won't patch so I can't test |
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| 02:11.31 | Anaral | *waves* |
| 02:13.51 | Anaral | Anyone alive? |
| 02:14.17 | Shirik | Anyone know a good program with which to draw organizational charts? (Free)? |
| 02:14.25 | Wraithan | Shirik: os? |
| 02:14.30 | Shirik | Windows or Linux |
| 02:14.33 | Shirik | preferably Windows |
| 02:14.36 | ccox | *waves* |
| 02:14.49 | Wraithan | linux there are several OS version of Visio |
| 02:15.06 | Wraithan | not sure for windows |
| 02:15.32 | Anaral | ccox: Yay, was starting to wonder why no one was chatting in here, first few minutes everyone was silent. |
| 02:15.48 | ccox | we're just stunned by your radiant beauty |
| 02:15.57 | Wraithan | Anaral: um this is IRC.. not a AIM chat room heh |
| 02:16.10 | NightHawkTheSane | LIES |
| 02:16.14 | NightHawkTheSane | (a/s/l?) |
| 02:16.19 | ccox | (oh, and that bit of ketchup on your chin) |
| 02:16.30 | Icecoldcoke | 90/F/Your Basement |
| 02:16.32 | Anaral | Wraith I know, just used to wowuidev being a little busy on Friday night. |
| 02:16.42 | NightHawkTheSane | .. i.. i don't have a basement. >.> |
| 02:16.58 | Icecoldcoke | 90/F/Behind You. |
| 02:17.07 | Anaral | Also, I'm using mIRC from my notebook, due to my video card kicking the bucket this morning. |
| 02:17.27 | Anaral | I wasn't sure if I had things configged right. |
| 02:17.47 | NightHawkTheSane | OH GOD OH GOD OH GO:DSKFJ;ls/..... |
| 02:18.20 | Anaral | But hopefully by this time next week I'll be back on my desktop with its shiny new 9800GT and 700W Power Supply. :D |
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| 02:24.26 | jaxdahl | no Tem, they are not up yet |
| 02:24.34 | jaxdahl | sorry, habit |
| 02:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ... this is terrible and brilliant: http://www.piratejesus.com/nerdcore/nerdcore017.gif |
| 02:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 02:28.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: check out dot |
| 02:29.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://www.graphviz.org/ |
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| 02:51.49 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: Thats awesome |
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| 03:24.32 | RawrVed | hello people |
| 03:24.41 | |Jelly| | hi |
| 03:25.39 | RawrVed | i'm trying to debug bongos3 but for some odd reason, i can't find how it interfaces with/modifies the default action bars |
| 03:26.12 | Seerah | is there a bug with it? |
| 03:26.26 | RawrVed | it doesn't run in 3.0.2 |
| 03:26.29 | RawrVed | at all |
| 03:26.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, secure frame changes presumably borked it |
| 03:26.50 | RawrVed | doesn't even initialize |
| 03:26.53 | Seerah | right. and Tuller won't update it, because he has Dominos now |
| 03:27.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yarr, |
| 03:27.33 | RawrVed | that sucks..... if i knew more i'd ask tuller for the right to be updating bongos |
| 03:27.44 | Seerah | Have you tried Dominos? |
| 03:27.51 | Syzgyn | Dominos > Bongos |
| 03:28.02 | ScytheBlade1 | RawrVed: the system that Bongos (and all current addons on live WoW) uses has disappeared entirely, and more or less requires addon rewrites using the new system to make such addons functional again |
| 03:28.08 | NightHawkTheSane | RawrVed: well, it's a great opportunity to learn about secure frames and action bars. :D |
| 03:28.27 | Syzgyn | So when does brewfest specifically start? time wise |
| 03:28.38 | RawrVed | september 26 iirc |
| 03:28.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: eh, bongos does a few things that dominos doesn't quite |
| 03:28.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 3:00 AM I think |
| 03:28.55 | NightHawkTheSane | september 20th, to be sure, sometime after midnight ;) |
| 03:29.28 | Syzgyn | server or PST? |
| 03:29.29 | RawrVed | server |
| 03:29.29 | Seerah | should be server |
| 03:29.29 | Seerah | yeah |
| 03:29.29 | ScytheBlade1 | server |
| 03:29.29 | NightHawkTheSane | probably midnight pst *shrug* |
| 03:29.48 | RawrVed | all events such as daily resets and other stuff are by server time |
| 03:30.06 | Tekkub | arrrrro? |
| 03:30.19 | RawrVed | okay so how do i learn about this "secure frames" thing? |
| 03:32.11 | RawrVed | Seerah: yes, i have tried dominos. If i actually liked it better, I'd prolly stick with it. But I hated it compared to sweet sweet Bongos3. |
| 03:32.56 | Seerah | well, I'm not sure if Tuller would allow someone to take it over, but... I'm not him :) |
| 03:33.15 | ScytheBlade1 | RawrVed: check the UI & Macros forum for a sticky titled something like "3.0 Concise Changes List" |
| 03:33.17 | Duman | really? what was wrong w/ it? |
| 03:33.18 | NightHawkTheSane | RawrVed: Iriel's got a pdf that supposely documents it somewhat well, you might also check out the ui & macros forum, some of the stickies there may have links |
| 03:33.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel has a link to a .pdf that documents it all in great detail |
| 03:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 03:33.38 | Wraithan | Once Bongos3 got dropped I moved over to Dominos, but come 3.0 on live, i will be moving to Bartender4 |
| 03:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | RawrVed: also, if i might ask, what precisely is missing from dominos that you want? |
| 03:33.40 | Tekkub | the new secure stuff is pretty easy |
| 03:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: plz2not be away |
| 03:37.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo he's actually away |
| 03:38.46 | RawrVed | Nighthawkthesane: i just liked the menus from bongos, which if i remember correctly, dominos has that but it isn't as detailed as bongos3' |
| 03:39.24 | RawrVed | i personally liked the menus that bongos had and the feeling.... dominos config also won't init in 3.0.2 |
| 03:39.54 | Syzgyn | working fine for me |
| 03:40.03 | Seerah | if the config isn't opening, it's because Blizzard changed something in the last patch the other day |
| 03:40.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 03:40.10 | Seerah | otherwise, it's been working perfectly |
| 03:40.26 | Seerah | <333 Dominos |
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| 03:41.14 | RawrVed | i personally would hate to switch to something else suchas *cough* bartender3 *cough*. |
| 03:41.22 | Seerah | speaking of which, did you update Ampere for that yet, tek? Last night, it was spread across my whole entire screen |
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| 03:41.43 | Seerah | what's wrong with Bartender? |
| 03:41.51 | Tekkub | I have a fix, aye, I'm working on putting it in so that it doesn't break live |
| 03:42.03 | Seerah | *nod* :) |
| 03:42.12 | Tekkub | since I have to do this across all my addons that use the config GUI |
| 03:42.27 | RawrVed | too complex and i had to delve down like 5 layers to find something that should've been in the first part |
| 03:42.32 | Seerah | at least Ampere worked :) I just had to realize what it did when I was looking at it ;) |
| 03:42.55 | RawrVed | but hey.... to each their own |
| 03:43.06 | Seerah | I never found BT3 to be too complex, myself. I used it for... 1.5-2 yrs until I tried Dominos |
| 03:43.10 | Seerah | but yeah, whatever :) |
| 03:43.25 | Seerah | if you want to see complex, look at Infinibar or FlexBar |
| 03:43.50 | Tekkub | Seerah, yea the config panel still sets points, but it doesn't reparent... and guess what I've been parenting the frames to when I create em? yea, UIParent |
| 03:43.51 | RawrVed | let me check dominos out one more time to see if it works out.... if it does, then i'll switch.... if not, then i'll continue trying to understand this stuff |
| 03:44.14 | Seerah | hehe :) |
| 03:44.15 | Tekkub | tekPopbar >> all your crap |
| 03:44.32 | Tekkub | 2 lil bars, fast access to all 120 buttons |
| 03:45.48 | Seerah | hey, tek, question. is there any way Buffet could create the macros as global ones and not per character ones? |
| 03:46.05 | Tekkub | uh, buffet does |
| 03:46.09 | Seerah | >.< |
| 03:46.23 | Tekkub | there's no reason for them to be pre-char as they're updated on login |
| 03:46.29 | Seerah | did it used to be character, or am I crazy? |
| 03:46.32 | Seerah | yeah |
| 03:46.42 | NightHawkTheSane | you're crazy, but im pretty sure that's aside the point |
| 03:46.54 | Seerah | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 03:46.54 | purl | steals NightHawkTheSane's mojo |
| 03:46.55 | Tekkub | shouldn't've been, but I think they changed the args to the create function in wrath |
| 03:47.00 | NightHawkTheSane | not mah mojo! |
| 03:47.07 | Tekkub | so if you did it before I fixed it, they were done PC |
| 03:47.18 | Seerah | ahh... okay |
| 03:47.19 | Tekkub | update, delete em and remake... if they are PC let me know |
| 03:47.48 | Seerah | I remembered an update that mentioned global macros, but I had already created them, I guess :) |
| 03:48.09 | Seerah | so, I'm not crazy, I'm just slow ;) |
| 03:52.30 | Tekkub | yes they changed the args... but I think I am creating a PC macro |
| 03:55.01 | Seerah | oh? |
| 03:56.16 | steev | woot |
| 03:56.22 | steev | #6 in damage on VR |
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| 03:56.29 | steev | im not that great though |
| 03:56.34 | steev | http://wowwebstats.com/k4ifq445fwes3?a=x1d79e3a |
| 03:56.55 | Shirik | wow, I have a newfound respect for managers |
| 03:56.59 | Shirik | organizing stuff is not as easy as it sounds :( |
| 03:57.14 | Seerah | heh |
| 03:57.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Who is Cadmael on the WoW forums? |
| 03:57.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Emerald Dream server |
| 03:57.38 | Shirik | It took me like an hour and a half just to put together an organizational chart for just my team |
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| 03:59.31 | Tekkub | Shirik, too bad it's crap and they'll only look at it for like 2 min |
| 03:59.39 | Shirik | yup |
| 03:59.44 | Shirik | but I had to do it anyway |
| 04:00.00 | NightHawkTheSane | 2 minutes? pfft |
| 04:00.02 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're lucky |
| 04:00.26 | Shirik | more important, really, was identifying the lead positions that I need under me |
| 04:00.53 | Shirik | because all the project leaders will be out all next week and we need this defined so those groups actually do work while we're gone :P |
| 04:01.19 | Dewin | PTR .torrent up yet? |
| 04:01.39 | Tekkub | ask wowwiki patch mirrors? |
| 04:02.03 | Dewin | hmm good idea |
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| 04:02.21 | Dewin | and answer looks to be no |
| 04:13.03 | Shirik | ............ wtf |
| 04:13.05 | Shirik | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=5025 |
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| 04:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahahaha lol irl @ the second spell comment |
| 04:14.01 | Dewin | that is just not right. |
| 04:14.03 | Neuro_Medivh | ScytheBlade1, you have a direct link to the new patch? |
| 04:14.11 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.14 | Neuro_Medivh | beta |
| 04:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.27 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 04:14.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 04:14.36 | ScytheBlade1 | 79MB one |
| 04:14.37 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm impressed they got a new build out so quickly |
| 04:16.41 | Duman | lol |
| 04:17.04 | Neuro_Medivh | ScytheBlade1: thank you very much, sir |
| 04:17.12 | ScytheBlade1 | np |
| 04:17.27 | Neuro_Medivh | anything major, or just them fixing Ebon Hold? |
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| 04:21.03 | RawrVed | ptr got the 78.5MB patch too |
| 04:31.55 | sylvanaar | lots of stuff actually was changed |
| 04:32.47 | sylvanaar | not much in the framexml dept though, looks like optionspanel changes |
| 04:33.53 | sylvanaar | i didnt check every file, looked like tweaks here and there - i got bored looking at the diffs |
| 04:36.25 | sylvanaar | plus restricted environment stuff sorta worries me. they added IsModifiedClick to the whitelist so my guess is ctrl-shift click may be fixed finally |
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| 04:39.26 | Syzgyn | That'd be nice |
| 04:39.57 | sylvanaar | but i dont see why i shouldn't still just bypass the restricted environment |
| 04:40.09 | Tekkub | yea the diffs lately have been kinda meh |
| 04:40.29 | sylvanaar | i think that restricted stuff is leaking into other places |
| 04:40.45 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, eew yea, after a handful they taste all bleh |
| 04:40.55 | sylvanaar | SetItemRef is a good example |
| 04:42.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: .. "handful" |
| 04:43.02 | sylvanaar | in the shell? |
| 04:43.08 | Tekkub | like I said, ya gotta stop after a handful |
| 04:43.11 | sylvanaar | addictive |
| 04:43.12 | NightHawkTheSane | .. well i took them OUT of the shell before i ate them |
| 04:43.16 | sylvanaar | right |
| 04:43.18 | NightHawkTheSane | but yes, in the shell |
| 04:43.23 | Tekkub | there's your problem |
| 04:43.25 | sylvanaar | the ones that are partially split |
| 04:43.31 | sylvanaar | those are addictive |
| 04:43.34 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 04:43.35 | Tekkub | the shell slows you down so you can enjoy em more |
| 04:43.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: and that's a problem? :D |
| 04:44.13 | Tekkub | no I"m saying, leave them in the shell |
| 04:44.18 | Tekkub | it'll slow you down |
| 04:44.29 | sylvanaar | they are each like little presents |
| 04:44.47 | Tekkub | presents of nuts are my fav |
| 04:45.29 | sylvanaar | lol - you've heard the term 3 ring circus? |
| 04:46.08 | Tekkub | best part is sucking the salty flavor off when you first stick em in your mouth |
| 04:46.25 | sylvanaar | i see what you did there |
| 04:46.50 | NightHawkTheSane | doesn't make him less right, though |
| 04:46.54 | Syzgyn | I like where this is going |
| 04:47.08 | Tekkub | all this nut talk.. I have to finish off my almond stuffed olives |
| 04:47.29 | sylvanaar | >.> |
| 04:48.16 | sylvanaar | now i want something too |
| 04:48.26 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.29 | RawrVed | lol all of a sudden my dl speed goes from 40KB/s to over 300KB/s |
| 04:48.32 | sylvanaar | easy cheese |
| 04:48.55 | sylvanaar | i like it because you can apply it to a cracker sideways |
| 04:49.18 | RawrVed | and it's all due to one seeder |
| 04:49.25 | NightHawkTheSane | easy cheese is disgusting |
| 04:49.30 | NightHawkTheSane | its not cheese. |
| 04:49.36 | sylvanaar | i used to think that |
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| 04:49.39 | sylvanaar | now i like it |
| 04:49.42 | smcn | woot, login server recognizes the new build |
| 04:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont object to the taste, honestly, its the knowledge of what it's made of that bothers me |
| 04:50.14 | Tekkub | as long as you ignore the fact that it's not really cheese, it's okey |
| 04:50.17 | sylvanaar | whats it made of, oil? |
| 04:50.32 | sylvanaar | oil + gum |
| 04:50.36 | sylvanaar | let me look |
| 04:50.36 | Tekkub | don't ask |
| 04:50.40 | Tekkub | it's like hotdogs |
| 04:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | sylvanaar: basically. |
| 04:51.30 | sylvanaar | whey, cheese, oil |
| 04:51.38 | sylvanaar | its cheese |
| 04:51.55 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft, maybe a fraction of it |
| 04:52.04 | sylvanaar | its like american cheese |
| 04:52.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you may as well just dip your cracker in vegetable oil and call it good |
| 04:52.15 | Tekkub | "What do the call krusty partially-hydrogenated gum-based beverages?" "'Shakes'" "Man, you just don't know what you're getting these days" |
| 04:52.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont like american cheese either ;) |
| 04:52.38 | sylvanaar | right, its velveta in a can |
| 04:52.45 | Tekkub | *forgot artificially-flavored |
| 04:52.58 | Tekkub | yea it pretty much is |
| 04:53.05 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, dont eat velveeta either. |
| 04:53.10 | Tekkub | just enough flavor to call it "cheese" |
| 04:53.41 | Fogger | why would DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() not work in my OnEvent ADDON_LOADED handler, but if I change it to message() it works? |
| 04:53.47 | NightHawkTheSane | which reminds me, i need to buy more swiss. and maybe some havarti |
| 04:53.54 | Tekkub | when it really should be called "cheese-flavored vegetable by-product" |
| 04:54.26 | Tekkub | Fogger, use ChatFrame1: instead? |
| 04:54.32 | sylvanaar | this is kraft Easy Cheese - Sharp Cheddar ("Made with real cheese") |
| 04:55.04 | Tekkub | "made with" ~= "mostly" |
| 04:55.09 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 04:55.12 | Fogger | thanks, I'll try it, but I thought FremeXML assigned "ChatFrame1" to DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME? |
| 04:55.41 | sylvanaar | what the heck is message() |
| 04:55.46 | Tekkub | Fogger, dunno, I never use that global because, well, what's the point? |
| 04:55.54 | Tekkub | message pops up a box |
| 04:56.05 | Tekkub | like error() |
| 04:56.11 | sylvanaar | i guess i dont use it, gotcha |
| 04:56.19 | Tekkub | yea it's mostly pointless |
| 04:56.34 | Tekkub | it's like alert() in javascript |
| 04:56.35 | Fogger | no, that doesnt work either, could it be that the chatframe isnt created yet when its being fired? |
| 04:56.51 | Tekkub | the chat frame is created |
| 04:57.05 | Fogger | ChatFrame1:AddMessage(Data.Settings.addonNameColored.."ADDON_LOADED arg1: "..arg1) |
| 04:57.08 | sylvanaar | my guess is they have infected the OnEvent of the chatframe with the restricted environment (i blame it for everything now) |
| 04:57.25 | Fogger | change to message(Data.Settings.addonNameColored.."ADDON_LOADED arg1: "..arg1) & it works :\ |
| 04:58.12 | Tekkub | running the addon kit always brings me shuch glee |
| 04:58.23 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.33 | Syzgyn | Hehe |
| 04:58.56 | smcn | er |
| 04:58.59 | smcn | ptr servers up |
| 04:59.09 | smcn | didn't realize i can see them from beta client lo, |
| 04:59.25 | smcn | funny because i don't even have an active account.. |
| 04:59.40 | Tem | do we has servers? |
| 04:59.45 | smcn | ptr servers up |
| 04:59.46 | Tekkub | is inscription 1-375 up on the PTR? |
| 04:59.49 | smcn | no beta yet :LP |
| 04:59.51 | sylvanaar | noz |
| 04:59.58 | Tekkub | -fubar = true |
| 04:59.58 | Tekkub | - |
| 05:00.00 | Tekkub | lol |
| 05:00.03 | Tem | eh, I'm not even patched yet |
| 05:00.08 | Tekkub | buhbye random code |
| 05:00.23 | sylvanaar | huh |
| 05:00.55 | jaxdahl | yep, not seeing the beta realms up yet |
| 05:01.16 | sylvanaar | debugprint() |
| 05:01.38 | Tekkub | +COOLDOWN_ON_LEAVE_COMBAT = "(Cooldown Starts Upon Leaving Combat)"; |
| 05:02.00 | sylvanaar | print() |
| 05:02.18 | sylvanaar | there you go, if you can call print() then you know you are fuxxored |
| 05:02.34 | smcn | damn i was so close to getting my first first! |
| 05:02.51 | smcn | beta up |
| 05:02.56 | sylvanaar | damn beat me |
| 05:02.59 | Tekkub | lots more changes to the options frame, I hope they fixed the shit that I just fixed in my addons like an hour ago >< |
| 05:03.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: yeesh, welcome to a few hours ago |
| 05:03.21 | sylvanaar | i know i saw |
| 05:03.25 | Tekkub | I just got the build installed :P |
| 05:03.45 | smcn | my favorite was +SPELL_FAILED_CUSTOM_ERROR_47 = "No targets close enough to bluff."; |
| 05:04.05 | Tekkub | Well played construct, well played |
| 05:04.24 | smcn | lol world server down |
| 05:04.43 | NightHawkTheSane | argh! UI scale reset.. |
| 05:04.54 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, world server down is win |
| 05:05.15 | sylvanaar | game still CTD on reload ui |
| 05:05.38 | Tekkub | ui scale reset? |
| 05:05.42 | sylvanaar | links not shift/ctrl clickable |
| 05:05.44 | Tekkub | mine never resets *eg* |
| 05:05.50 | Tekkub | still? fail |
| 05:05.59 | sylvanaar | yes rofl |
| 05:06.10 | Tekkub | it's been like 4 builds now |
| 05:06.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: mine resets VERY often. >< |
| 05:06.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: also, looks like UI parenting issues are fixed |
| 05:06.38 | sylvanaar | I mean, the fix is to just put ItemRef.lua into an addon |
| 05:06.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: er, interface options parenting issues, i mean |
| 05:07.07 | Tekkub | good NH |
| 05:07.16 | Tekkub | I assume the renamed function is staying? |
| 05:08.11 | Tekkub | EULAs need "Yea whatever" buttons |
| 05:08.16 | Tekkub | fuck scrolling to the bottom |
| 05:09.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: yeah, InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory is still there |
| 05:09.37 | Tekkub | I love when they rename functions for no good reason |
| 05:09.55 | NightHawkTheSane | better to do it in beta/testing than after release |
| 05:09.57 | Tekkub | WARRIOR GLYPHS! |
| 05:10.00 | |Jelly| | BREW FEST! |
| 05:10.02 | Tekkub | and scrolls :) |
| 05:10.16 | smcn | new enchanting parchments yet? |
| 05:10.25 | ScytheBlade1 | 01:08 < Tekkub> EULAs need "Yea whatever" buttons |
| 05:10.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Tekkub++ |
| 05:10.29 | Tekkub | more offhand tomes |
| 05:10.38 | smcn | or a higher ilevel for bleached vellum? |
| 05:11.06 | Tekkub | no, scrolls |
| 05:11.09 | Tekkub | the buff ones |
| 05:11.25 | Tekkub | although the mats are nasty, 5 parchment 5 ink |
| 05:11.47 | smcn | yeah i know what you're referring to just wondering if they added new vellum or made bleached vellum ilevel 60 or something |
| 05:11.53 | Tekkub | the pet rename scrolls are in too :) |
| 05:12.17 | smcn | guess it doesn't really matter to me now though that i'm playing my druid ;P |
| 05:12.39 | Tekkub | DK glyphs are in too |
| 05:13.53 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, my dk finallyl has a use for his own professin |
| 05:13.58 | NightHawkTheSane | except with words spelled right |
| 05:14.24 | Tekkub | you can make the dropped darkmoon cards too now it seems |
| 05:14.50 | Tem | I need DK glyphs |
| 05:14.58 | Tem | pestilence and D&D |
| 05:15.44 | Tekkub | and I don't see the minor glyph thing MMO said was added |
| 05:16.10 | NightHawkTheSane | that might just have been an added spell, like the warrior/dk glyphs were added some patches ago. |
| 05:16.18 | NightHawkTheSane | may not be available yet, may not ever even be used |
| 05:16.41 | Tekkub | oh they renamed the tools to "Inking set" |
| 05:17.19 | NightHawkTheSane | and they have a new icon |
| 05:19.03 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 Book of Clever Tricks, held in off hand, +27 sta, +11 hit, +7 crit, +200 dodge for 15s on use.. |
| 05:19.34 | Syzgyn | Whats the typical frost pvp spec right now? |
| 05:19.53 | ScytheBlade1 | arcane up to Imp CS and the rest in frost |
| 05:22.32 | Syzgyn | something like this? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oi0i0obZZVVGIobxobqt |
| 05:23.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me log my mage in and copy the spec, sec |
| 05:23.33 | ScytheBlade1 | (no, not exactly but close) |
| 05:24.19 | Syzgyn | my mage only just hit 50, I'm just planning ahead :P |
| 05:25.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0y0obZZVVGcobxoVqt |
| 05:26.11 | Syzgyn | aha |
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| 05:57.25 | NightHawkTheSane | hmmmm... |
| 05:57.30 | NightHawkTheSane | is anyone else having issues using glyphs? |
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| 06:11.03 | ZorbaTHut | man, my testers all suck. I sit down to play for two hours and run straight into a reproducible critical crash that nobody else has even mentioned |
| 06:13.00 | Nom- | You mean the one which kills the beta / PTR client after 5 seconds |
| 06:13.08 | Nom- | And everyone is complaining about on the forums? |
| 06:13.29 | ZorbaTHut | no, I mean the one that causes questhelper to hardlock the entire client, that has been around since long before beta :P |
| 06:13.58 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:14.15 | Nom- | Blizzard has better bugs than you :P |
| 06:14.27 | ZorbaTHut | they're more thorough. ;) |
| 06:14.45 | ZorbaTHut | I'm impressed that one made it - is it one that hits *everyone*, or only some people? |
| 06:15.07 | Nom- | well, rumor is you can stop it happening by deleting your enitre WTF folder |
| 06:15.22 | Nom- | So maybe QA starts with empty WTF folders |
| 06:16.30 | ZorbaTHut | you'd think they'd test *not* having an empty WTF folder |
| 06:17.11 | ZorbaTHut | awesome, it was generating an infinitely long tooltil |
| 06:17.13 | ZorbaTHut | tooltip |
| 06:24.26 | ZorbaTHut | ha ha, that's awesome. apparently it decided that there was a small chance of looting a big-mouth clam from itself |
| 06:24.38 | ZorbaTHut | and therefore, you could potentially loot an *infinite series of clams* |
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| 06:34.14 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm sure as clams approach infinity, there's a finite sum |
| 06:35.55 | Neuro_Medivh | what the "scourge strike" nerf I'm hearing about? |
| 06:38.13 | ZorbaTHut | oh, the expected value is certainly finite, but the theoretical maximum, it claims, is infinite |
| 06:44.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. when did they reuce the chain lightning CD? |
| 06:47.18 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, ping? |
| 06:48.27 | Tem | anyone got the link to his patch mirrow? |
| 06:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/ |
| 06:52.44 | RawrVed | Nighthawk: me wanted to be in the beta :( |
| 06:55.38 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, there's still no macroable command to cast a pet? |
| 06:55.46 | Neuro_Medivh | er, a mount |
| 07:01.21 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:07.50 | Neuro_Medivh | not for me.. /cast Swift Blue Gryphon does nothing |
| 07:08.01 | Neuro_Medivh | now, /cast Acherus Deathcharger works fine |
| 07:08.28 | Neuro_Medivh | anyway, I got around it using callcompanion and securecmdoptionparse |
| 07:08.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 07:08.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i wrote an addon to randomly summon a mount using that |
| 07:09.15 | NightHawkTheSane | but, /cast works fine for any of my mounts, flying or ground |
| 07:09.26 | NightHawkTheSane | are you sure you're not spelling it wrong, or in a no-fly area? :p |
| 07:09.33 | NightHawkTheSane | like, say, most of dalaran? :p |
| 07:10.26 | smcn | also make sure the mount item properly disappeared when you learned it |
| 07:10.37 | smcn | otherwise it just tries to use the item instead of the spell |
| 07:10.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, really? didn't know that |
| 07:11.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ... a Draenei npc named "Dalaran Visitor Alliance 02" just flew into krasus' landing on an engy mount >.> |
| 07:11.34 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawk, I was in Outlands when I was trying it |
| 07:11.40 | smcn | lol |
| 07:12.03 | Neuro_Medivh | and yeah, I tried like 3-4 times directly from the shift-click |
| 07:12.17 | Neuro_Medivh | I think it's a DK thing |
| 07:12.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 07:12.39 | NightHawkTheSane | let me check my dk |
| 07:12.45 | |Jelly| | 1/15 drop rate on the kodo thus far :( |
| 07:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | does it work for your winged steed, if you have it? |
| 07:12.56 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: soloable at 70? |
| 07:13.11 | |Jelly| | no |
| 07:13.15 | |Jelly| | 53 clite |
| 07:13.19 | |Jelly| | 73 |
| 07:13.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ..damn |
| 07:15.50 | |Jelly| | Yeah. |
| 07:16.02 | |Jelly| | And it's like the halloween event where you can only do it once a day so we're rotating out dps. |
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| 07:30.53 | End | dammit! |
| 07:30.56 | End | I can't dual weild! |
| 07:31.08 | End | the yellow one is main ahnd, and the blue one is one-handed |
| 07:36.13 | NightHawkTheSane | really? |
| 07:36.19 | NightHawkTheSane | wasn't it off-hand last year? |
| 07:36.47 | End | it may have been when they originally added it |
| 07:36.54 | End | but it's a main hand weapon now |
| 07:37.06 | End | and the new one of a one-handed weapon |
| 07:37.14 | End | s/of/is/ |
| 07:38.09 | End | also, the old one did more damage |
| 07:38.22 | End | 2.0 dps versus 0.8 :P |
| 07:41.06 | NightHawkTheSane | man, doing the barking is hard when drunk |
| 07:41.31 | Syzgyn | Is it just me or is the barking ALOT easier than last year |
| 07:41.31 | End | haha |
| 07:41.39 | End | I can't even turn in the barking quest though :P |
| 07:41.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: yeah, it feels like it, hard to tell though |
| 07:41.47 | End | I was bored so I actually did my dailies |
| 07:41.58 | End | apparently I ended up doing 25 dailies today... |
| 07:42.01 | Syzgyn | I seem to remember last year you having maybe 15 seconds left if you did it right |
| 07:42.09 | Syzgyn | now I end up with a minute left |
| 07:42.12 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 07:42.30 | NightHawkTheSane | End: ah, what i was remembering was the Dark Iron Stein, which is "held in off hand" |
| 07:42.32 | End | Syzgyn: horde or alliance? |
| 07:42.39 | NightHawkTheSane | er "Dark Iron tankard" |
| 07:42.42 | Syzgyn | Alliance |
| 07:42.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: i bumbled a bunch and had like 30s left just now |
| 07:42.54 | Syzgyn | Yeah |
| 07:43.01 | Syzgyn | you used to have to do it pretty much perfectly |
| 07:43.08 | End | I did it in about 40... |
| 07:43.24 | End | but I'm horde...I'm sure the typical time is a little different based on faction |
| 07:43.31 | NightHawkTheSane | End: im horde too |
| 07:43.42 | NightHawkTheSane | they also borked up the apple barrel placement for the ram racing :( |
| 07:43.58 | End | yeah |
| 07:44.00 | End | it's all weird now |
| 07:44.05 | Syzgyn | Not for alliance |
| 07:44.07 | End | and by weird I mean |
| 07:44.10 | End | not what I expected at all |
| 07:44.27 | End | I couldn't find one of the barrels at first...they moved it behind a lump of dirt |
| 07:49.57 | |Jelly| | http://i33.tinypic.com/20r8jz9.jpg Good news is ... killing him doesn't take too long. lol |
| 07:51.39 | Syzgyn | lol yeah |
| 07:51.49 | Lukian | such as easy boss compared to ahune XD |
| 07:51.51 | |Jelly| | Pally tank is so the way to go. lol |
| 07:51.53 | |Jelly| | Definitely. |
| 07:51.58 | Syzgyn | Ahune was dumb |
| 07:52.12 | Syzgyn | Headless Horseman was awesome |
| 07:52.28 | End | yeah, Ahune was...meh |
| 07:52.59 | Syzgyn | The fact that he lagged you out with every ground icicle thing |
| 07:53.03 | Syzgyn | terrible |
| 07:53.15 | End | I never had issues with lag for him |
| 07:53.20 | End | but |
| 07:53.42 | End | it wasn't very interesting either |
| 07:53.57 | Syzgyn | Not lag, but fps lockup |
| 07:54.07 | Syzgyn | my comp went to hell on it |
| 07:54.30 | |Jelly| | 1/24 mounts. /sigh |
| 07:54.35 | End | there's some mobs in northrend that do the same type of attack |
| 07:54.40 | Syzgyn | 1/24? |
| 07:54.45 | |Jelly| | 1:24 rather |
| 07:54.49 | End | 1 out of 24 kills |
| 07:54.53 | Syzgyn | ah |
| 07:54.57 | Syzgyn | sucky ratio |
| 07:55.17 | |Jelly| | Yeah ... and my roomie who's been 70 like 2 weeks got it. lol |
| 07:55.21 | End | it kinda bothers me random stuff like that being on a timer |
| 07:55.23 | Syzgyn | :V |
| 07:55.24 | Syzgyn | which one? |
| 07:55.25 | Lukian | I heard 15% :p |
| 07:55.40 | Lukian | so in ~6 kills you should get a 2nd mount ^_^ |
| 07:55.42 | |Jelly| | Well, I've killed him 24 times now and gotten 1 mount. |
| 07:55.54 | |Jelly| | And I'm :| about it |
| 07:55.56 | Syzgyn | I managed to snag the summoning trinket :D |
| 07:57.28 | |Jelly| | I have all the trinkets but that one and one of the 45 stam ones |
| 08:05.22 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, its hard to kill dark iron dwarves while drunk |
| 08:09.29 | Tekkub | drunk DPS should miss the mobs sometimes and hit party members instead |
| 08:11.39 | NightHawkTheSane | drunk dps would probably just miss MOST of the time :p |
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| 08:44.57 | End | haha |
| 08:45.07 | End | the commoners didnt change their outfits for brewfest :P |
| 08:45.25 | End | they still have piraty day attire, but have brewfest gossip |
| 08:46.19 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 08:47.30 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. |
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| 09:04.42 | Kaso | crossover chromium doesnt seem to like my dual screen desktop >< |
| 09:05.00 | Corrodias | you should upgrade to Einsteinium |
| 09:07.04 | Kaso | Einsteinium is radioactive :< |
| 09:09.15 | Corrodias | but it understands multiple monitors |
| 09:13.42 | Tekkub | crossover chromium? |
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| 09:59.03 | ReAn | http://music.todaysbigthing.com/2008/09/11 <-- it floored me |
| 10:00.25 | Tornhoof | o'zapft is ;) |
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| 11:08.46 | Fisker- | for gods sakes |
| 11:08.59 | Fisker- | If alliance says jump, blizzard fucking jumps |
| 11:09.00 | Fisker- | retards |
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| 11:24.58 | Adys | Anyone has any idea why some people are able to "summon" the l70etc in brd, and some others are being told "tonight at 8pm blah blah"? |
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| 11:37.19 | Fisker- | Adys they started here |
| 11:37.33 | Adys | ? |
| 11:37.47 | Fisker- | the band |
| 11:37.55 | Adys | ...? |
| 11:37.55 | Fisker- | warlock said he could talk to one of the goblins |
| 11:37.59 | Adys | yeha |
| 11:38.15 | Adys | i can talk to them too but i dont get any option to summon them |
| 11:38.21 | Adys | i get told "Wait until 8pm" |
| 11:38.58 | Adys | also why the hell is there a s4 vendor in there? |
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| 11:40.18 | [Liquidor] | Any CSS experts around? |
| 11:40.23 | Adys | sure |
| 11:41.58 | Adys | what do you need [Liquidor] |
| 11:42.08 | [Liquidor] | Blue header at http://armory.artoman.com - All ul elements (dropdown menus) are staying within the div element. I can't fix it somehow (I've increased the height of the div element to show you what I mean) |
| 11:43.12 | Adys | ah yea i see |
| 11:44.19 | Adys | hm |
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| 11:46.11 | Adys | [Liquidor]: Is there any specific reason why you need a wrapper div? |
| 11:46.46 | [Liquidor] | Hmm it's styled that way tho, I can try and attach the styles directly to the menu class |
| 11:47.07 | Adys | Id delete navrow and go with navmenu only |
| 11:48.35 | [Liquidor] | There we go, time to give it some design |
| 11:48.55 | Adys | :) |
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| 11:49.37 | [Liquidor] | Only reason I wrapped it up is because I don't like styling with horizontal ul elements |
| 11:50.48 | Adys | I usually use plain <a> |
| 11:51.08 | Adys | screw semantics |
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| 12:14.02 | cbreak | hmmm... a new patch that close to the last |
| 12:19.44 | Fisker- | I HATE YOU SO MUCH BLIZZARD |
| 12:19.47 | Fisker- | Now the mount dropped |
| 12:19.51 | Fisker- | and of course it was the stupid fucking ram |
| 12:20.05 | Adys | the kodo doesnt drop for the horde Fisker- |
| 12:20.12 | Adys | and the ram doesnt drop for the alliance |
| 12:20.36 | Fisker- | they both drop |
| 12:20.38 | Fisker- | for both |
| 12:20.45 | Fisker- | It was supposed to be ram for alliance and kodo for horde |
| 12:20.52 | Adys | no.. |
| 12:21.00 | Fisker- | so if they haven't caved into alliance QQ we would've had a kodo now |
| 12:21.13 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043238782&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 12:21.37 | Adys | mh |
| 12:22.33 | nevcairiel | why did horde get the stupid ram anyway in the first place? |
| 12:23.02 | Fisker- | Because that's how it were |
| 12:23.11 | Fisker- | Gotta love Blizzard inconsistency though |
| 12:23.13 | nevcairiel | it was wrong |
| 12:23.22 | Fisker- | "OMG NOES WE WON'T DO IT CAUSE IT RUINS TEH GAME NOOOOOOOOOES" |
| 12:23.25 | Fisker- | 5 minutes after |
| 12:23.31 | Fisker- | "Alliance qq'ed, we caved in, gg" |
| 12:23.38 | nevcairiel | shouldve removed the ram from horde =P |
| 12:23.47 | Fisker- | nah |
| 12:24.14 | Adys | Wait |
| 12:24.23 | Adys | so you cant get the ram with the tokens? |
| 12:24.32 | Fisker- | nope |
| 12:24.34 | Adys | as alliance |
| 12:24.40 | Fisker- | nope |
| 12:24.47 | Adys | well that sucks |
| 12:24.51 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 12:29.43 | cbreak | getting a ram is easy as alliance, just do AV |
| 12:30.00 | Adys | ... or get exalted with IF? |
| 12:30.08 | nevcairiel | AV is easier =P |
| 12:42.55 | Nechckn | stormpike charger =) |
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| 12:55.28 | Lukian | Adys, yeah you could only unlock the ram last year (as alliance) with the tokens |
| 12:55.41 | Lukian | and it's still available, if you did so, last year :p |
| 12:56.40 | Adys | find it very silly |
| 12:56.59 | Adys | What another poster said is totally logical |
| 12:57.20 | Adys | Why not give the ram as alliance with the tokens and as horde with the drop |
| 12:57.27 | Adys | and vice versa for the kodo |
| 12:58.27 | Lukian | I agree, that makes perfect sense as the already did the first part last year |
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| 13:25.14 | zenzelezz | hm, webshop's newsletter targetted toward gamers this week... subject "PWNT!!1" |
| 13:25.34 | wereHamster | and what do they want to sell you? |
| 13:26.07 | zenzelezz | the usual... quad-core CPUs, 4 GB RAM, 600W PSUs, high-end videocards... |
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| 14:11.09 | Corrodias | that was the wildest game/pc crash i've had yet |
| 14:11.40 | Corrodias | well, okay, not wildest. oddest. the game crashed, then to all appearances the video card (or drivers) froze while changing resolutions, so i had no video signal |
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| 14:15.42 | |pez| | Corrodias: neat! |
| 14:16.17 | |pez| | We've got school computers with Photoshop that refuse to let you open more than one photoshop document, unless Adobe PDF is set as the default printer. |
| 14:16.23 | |pez| | The program closes. |
| 14:16.46 | cncfanatics | |pez|: that sounds like regular school pc's |
| 14:16.57 | cncfanatics | I never ever found public use computers that weren't fucked up (if they used windows) |
| 14:17.44 | |pez| | cncfanatics: This is true, but it's the default printer thing that throws me off, it's just... horribly weird. |
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| 14:26.06 | Shirik | cncfanatics: Actually, my school's computers are pretty solid |
| 14:26.11 | Shirik | Too solid, actually |
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| 14:39.38 | cbreak | It would be nice if every user would get his own VM image. |
| 14:39.57 | cbreak | for a multi user system. |
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| 14:43.28 | Shirik | cbreak: We have that with citrix, but I don't use citrix much, it's annoying |
| 14:47.11 | |pez| | Argh, I hate it that these affiliatelinks breaks my websites validation. |
| 14:48.11 | Thrae | You know, there's a court hearing an argument on whether linking to another website without their consent can be illegal. |
| 14:48.36 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 14:48.39 | cncfanatics | how could it be illegal ? |
| 14:48.40 | cncfanatics | seriously |
| 14:48.48 | cncfanatics | and its not like its enforcable either |
| 14:49.23 | cbreak | I think some people have 0 clue on how the WWW works. |
| 14:49.29 | cbreak | or possibly negative clue. |
| 14:50.16 | nevcairiel | depends on the context of that link, i suppose |
| 14:50.20 | cncfanatics | no it doesn't |
| 14:50.31 | cncfanatics | I'm allowed to link to whatever the fuck I want except if the content of said link is illegal |
| 14:50.39 | nevcairiel | thats what you think |
| 14:50.55 | cncfanatics | thats how the law thinks atm |
| 14:51.03 | nevcairiel | in your country maybe |
| 14:51.06 | cncfanatics | except if they add a law that i'm not allowed to link to someone without their consent |
| 14:51.10 | cncfanatics | in all countries atm I think |
| 14:51.15 | nevcairiel | you think |
| 14:51.17 | nevcairiel | you dont know |
| 14:51.19 | nevcairiel | so you fail |
| 14:51.19 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:51.34 | cncfanatics | well, I'm 99% sure |
| 14:51.44 | cncfanatics | give me a country where it isn't allowed please ;) |
| 14:51.52 | |pez| | uhm, I'm a retard. I can use a redirectplugin for the damned affiliatelinks anyway, so it doesn't break my validation. :P |
| 14:52.48 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: found any ? :) |
| 14:52.56 | nevcairiel | I'm not looking |
| 14:53.05 | nevcairiel | i have better things to do with my time =P |
| 14:53.14 | cncfanatics | admit there are none already |
| 14:53.22 | nevcairiel | But you always claim some "truth" without having any proof |
| 14:53.33 | cbreak | I think people have been sentenced for linking to content that is illegal |
| 14:53.43 | cncfanatics | yea, I said that earlyer |
| 14:53.48 | cncfanatics | "(04:50:28 PM) cncfanatics: I'm allowed to link to whatever the fuck I want except if the content of said link is illegal" |
| 14:54.05 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: I don't know of any country with such law, thats all I'm saying |
| 14:54.34 | cbreak | the content of the link was not illegal |
| 14:54.40 | cbreak | the content the link pointed to was |
| 14:54.48 | cbreak | the link was a simple, legal text string |
| 14:55.03 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 14:55.26 | cncfanatics | you know perfectly what I mean :p |
| 14:55.56 | Fisker- | any of you been able to get that quest after the dark iron attacks? |
| 14:56.18 | cncfanatics | anyway, time to go shower and then go to the cinema |
| 14:56.40 | nevcairiel | hotlinking some part of a page thats usually part of a bigger page (like a frame layout) can be considered illegal |
| 14:56.50 | Tornhoof | anyone has an idea why buttonfacade does not show the frame around the button ( i think it's the normal layer) |
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| 15:00.16 | Nom- | wowzers... 3 player mount with vendors |
| 15:00.18 | Nom- | that's impressive |
| 15:01.42 | cbreak | link it in /2 :) |
| 15:02.16 | batrick | with vendors lulz |
| 15:02.25 | |pez| | I'm imagining horses and carriages. |
| 15:02.38 | Nom- | It's a mammoth |
| 15:02.59 | |pez| | I know. |
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| 15:03.24 | |pez| | I'm hoping they'll add more. :P |
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| 15:30.00 | Shirik | ~seen Tuller |
| 15:30.04 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 2d 17h 37m 53s ago, saying: 'so one semi random question a bout the wowace beta page...there's no single click download, is there? :P'. |
| 15:30.04 | Shirik | PURL |
| 15:34.20 | Thunder_Child | ~calm Shirik |
| 15:34.20 | purl | ACTION sooths Shirik, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Shirik down. |
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| 15:38.22 | cbreak | damn, leveling inscriptions is hard |
| 15:38.27 | cbreak | in ironforge. as mage. |
| 15:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: pong from almost 3:00 AM |
| 15:44.21 | Fisker- | Shirik i am legend |
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| 15:45.49 | foxlit | Fisker- is of course aware that they killed that legend guy because he was a monster. |
| 15:46.57 | Fisker- | i'm alternate reality legend then |
| 15:47.11 | Fisker- | that ram racing mod btw >:3 |
| 15:47.33 | foxlit | mm, does it still work? |
| 15:48.49 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 15:49.35 | Fisker- | But is it for horde and updated for 2008? >:3 |
| 15:51.36 | Stanzilla | ram racing mod? |
| 15:51.37 | Stanzilla | link? :P |
| 15:53.32 | nevcairiel | what do you need a mod for o.O |
| 15:54.03 | sacarasc | i want my kodo mount! :( |
| 15:57.53 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/271876main_iss017e015166_hi.jpg <-- hey look, it's Ike from space |
| 16:03.02 | cbreak | looks like a cloud. |
| 16:03.16 | Thrae | http://www.mydamnchannel.com/Big_Fat_Brain/Sn4tchbuckl3r_s_Second_Chance/Sn4tchbuckl3rsSecondChance1Arrival_649.aspx |
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| 16:05.08 | cbreak | my sinister plan for world destruction seems to work |
| 16:05.20 | cbreak | step 1: free portals to dalaran |
| 16:05.48 | cbreak | step 2: force all people to jump at the same time, crashing dalaran into the floor |
| 16:06.12 | cbreak | step 3: the resulting wave will destroy both kalimdor and the eastern continent |
| 16:09.21 | nevcairiel | uh-hu |
| 16:12.11 | Fisker- | but not northrend? |
| 16:12.12 | Fisker- | fail |
| 16:12.13 | Fisker- | FAIL |
| 16:12.25 | Fisker- | ~epic fail cbreak |
| 16:12.25 | purl | cbreak, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you cbreak, you are that epic failure. |
| 16:12.39 | cbreak | I am not sure about northrend |
| 16:12.52 | cbreak | it should suffer from the impact |
| 16:16.40 | cbreak | at least it's crashing a lot currently. |
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| 16:26.29 | nevcairiel | ~rawr Shirik|Ecole |
| 16:26.36 | nevcairiel | man no rawr? |
| 16:28.22 | Fisker- | rawr |
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| 16:31.56 | digmouse | purl says: rawr is rude! I dont do things rude! |
| 16:31.57 | purl | digmouse: okay |
| 16:32.25 | digmouse | see? he agrees withe me |
| 16:32.48 | nevcairiel | ~rawr |
| 16:32.48 | purl | hmm... rawr is a demigod to everyone who isnt a jew, or program for comparing and exploring gear for Bears, Cats, Moonkin, Warlocks, Mages, Retadins, ProtWarriors, and Healadins (http://www.codeplex.com/Rawr) |
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| 16:33.11 | digmouse | ~roar |
| 16:33.12 | purl | WRAAA!! |
| 16:33.23 | digmouse | ~roar Fisker- |
| 16:33.57 | digmouse | dont do |
| 16:37.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Anyone here use a mac? |
| 16:37.17 | foxlit | mm, mac |
| 16:38.13 | Tornhoof | hmm anyone knows how to stop a bar in libbars-1.0? |
| 16:38.59 | foxlit | shirik: yes, but see ~ask :) |
| 16:39.34 | Shirik|Ecole | Well, I think I already asked the wrong question |
| 16:39.49 | Shirik|Ecole | my real question is how to open a numbers file in Windows |
| 16:39.57 | Shirik|Ecole | if there's some kind of viewer |
| 16:40.26 | foxlit | you're probably better off asking the author to export it to something other than a numbers file |
| 16:40.31 | Shirik|Ecole | not an option |
| 16:40.44 | Shirik|Ecole | as much as I would like it to be |
| 16:40.58 | |pez| | any of you got experience with making chicken wings in the oven? |
| 16:41.03 | |pez| | like.. raw chicken wings. |
| 16:41.12 | Ycarene | cook until done |
| 16:41.24 | |pez| | I was wondering how long it took XD |
| 16:42.21 | Ycarene | ... until they're done? :P |
| 16:42.42 | |pez| | 5 minutes, 10? 20? 30? |
| 16:44.33 | nevcairiel | frozen? |
| 16:45.03 | |pez| | halfway frozen |
| 16:46.28 | |pez| | I'll go check them regurarly I guess XD |
| 16:47.43 | nevcairiel | well they will need some time, so 20 minimum |
| 16:48.28 | |pez| | Aight, thanks ^^ |
| 16:48.38 | |pez| | they've been in for around 10. |
| 16:56.25 | cbreak | I have a mac, but I have no idea what a numbers file is |
| 16:57.23 | Duman | ~seen cladhaire |
| 16:57.25 | purl | cladhaire <n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 18h 32m 34s ago, saying: ':P'. |
| 16:57.29 | foxlit | numbers is apple's excel |
| 16:57.30 | Duman | hrm |
| 16:59.00 | Shirik|Ecole | LHC halted for "months":http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626944.stm |
| 17:02.45 | foxlit | "would have to be warmed up well above absolute zero so that repairs could be made." |
| 17:03.11 | foxlit | as opposed to "just slightly above absolute zero" it operates at :P |
| 17:03.49 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 17:03.58 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm not entirely sure repairs can occur at 2K though |
| 17:04.07 | Shirik|Ecole | I mean maybe |
| 17:04.17 | Shirik|Ecole | but I'd prefer not to make repairs wearing a space suit |
| 17:04.27 | foxlit | ninja pirate robots? |
| 17:04.34 | Shirik|Ecole | there you go |
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| 17:05.41 | cbreak | I am sure it'd be a cool job |
| 17:08.44 | foxlit | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/09/20/wow-insiders-preview-of-popcap-games-bejeweled-addon/#comments |
| 17:08.52 | foxlit | remove the #anchor |
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| 17:31.16 | Fisker- | wtf fail foxlit |
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| 17:55.56 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 17:56.03 | ScytheBlade1 | They added an Armored Snowy Gryphon |
| 17:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I go cool, buy it |
| 17:56.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Mount up, jump out of the dalaran sewer pipe |
| 17:56.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Notice the flapping wings... are not doing anything |
| 17:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | They keep flapping, I keep falling as if I wasn't even mounted |
| 17:57.04 | ScytheBlade1 | fyi: the Armored Snowy Gryphon is indeed a land mount. |
| 17:57.16 | sacarasc | lol |
| 17:59.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:00.16 | jaxdahl | hm |
| 18:00.20 | jaxdahl | you sure? |
| 18:00.21 | jaxdahl | what realm? |
| 18:00.22 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: did you see the naxx-set set bonus (4pc)? Wonder if that will actually boost nourish into being usable |
| 18:01.02 | Cide | it shouldn't |
| 18:01.08 | Cide | nourish should obviously be usable anyway |
| 18:01.13 | nevcairiel | it isnt |
| 18:01.15 | nevcairiel | right now anyway |
| 18:01.23 | Cide | that means it has to get buffed |
| 18:01.34 | nevcairiel | I bet Blizz will take the other route |
| 18:01.37 | nevcairiel | nerf regrowth |
| 18:01.39 | Cide | nope |
| 18:01.46 | Cide | well, maybe |
| 18:01.50 | Cide | sounds stupid though |
| 18:02.13 | nevcairiel | regrowth with regrowth glyph and nature's grace is much better then nourish |
| 18:03.07 | Cide | sounds potentially overpowered to be honest |
| 18:03.57 | nevcairiel | the easiest way for them would be to nerf the regrowth glyph |
| 18:04.45 | nevcairiel | but heh, even talented and glyphed HT is kinda better then nourish |
| 18:05.00 | nevcairiel | or at least on-par |
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| 18:06.15 | lagger | anyone know where the UnitReactionColor table is on live |
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| 18:09.05 | lagger | nvm found it |
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| 18:19.31 | nevcairiel | haha tigole is having fun |
| 18:19.36 | nevcairiel | banning people that flame devs =P |
| 18:19.44 | nevcairiel | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10043319402-who-is-the-rogue-dev.html |
| 18:20.07 | Industrial | so where do i get my mountz |
| 18:20.24 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: finally |
| 18:20.48 | nevcairiel | he even said he might remove people from beta access |
| 18:20.52 | nevcairiel | wonder if that includes that, hah |
| 18:20.53 | Industrial | good |
| 18:21.09 | Industrial | L2</retard> |
| 18:21.27 | ccox | tigole seems to be a little thin skinned |
| 18:21.43 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 18:21.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Those were all well deserved |
| 18:21.48 | selckin | no, most forum posters should be banned |
| 18:21.51 | Neuro_Medivh | I love how the rogues feel somehow slighted |
| 18:21.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The forums are just piles of crap now |
| 18:21.59 | ScytheBlade1 | They /used/ to be good reading |
| 18:22.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Now it's just piles of crap |
| 18:22.06 | nevcairiel | tigole posted random warnings all over the last week |
| 18:22.10 | nevcairiel | now he used his banhammer |
| 18:22.24 | Neuro_Medivh | rogues are already one of the best pvp and pve classes... and they complain |
| 18:22.42 | nevcairiel | And really, personally flaming one dev for some mechanic change, is stepping over the line |
| 18:22.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Every class "complains" |
| 18:22.47 | ccox | still seems heavy handed |
| 18:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise ever class needs half of their members banned |
| 18:23.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Or education past the fouth grade |
| 18:23.17 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox, if this weren't beta, I'd agree |
| 18:23.36 | nevcairiel | They want constructive feedback to actually improve the game |
| 18:23.48 | nevcairiel | And tigole being one of the main devs more then anyone else |
| 18:23.53 | Neuro_Medivh | but inviting someone in to help and then having that person spew invectives at you.. well, that's just slightly beyond the pale |
| 18:24.02 | nevcairiel | So they remove the people that dont help from the beta forums |
| 18:24.12 | ccox | when you invite the public in - you expect that |
| 18:24.21 | ccox | if you want a polite, constructive beta - don't invite the public |
| 18:24.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, more bans |
| 18:24.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043088759&sid=2000&pageNo=2#28 |
| 18:24.31 | nevcairiel | It isnt exactly open beta |
| 18:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ccox: or, invite the public, make them agree to certain terms, write the rules in the stickies, and ban the ever living crap out of those who break the rules |
| 18:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I like that |
| 18:25.03 | nevcairiel | I hope they have some black-list for upcoming betas =P |
| 18:25.05 | ccox | scythe - doesn't really work |
| 18:25.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Why not? |
| 18:25.29 | ccox | scythe - stickies are not contracts, nor are they read by everyone |
| 18:25.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Sucks to be them |
| 18:25.39 | Neuro_Medivh | I disagree... that's like saying anyone who goes anywhere in public can be a jackass |
| 18:25.41 | ccox | banning just creates resentment, hurts the image of the corporation |
| 18:25.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Those who read/don't read the stickies aren't the ones who write the rules, they're just the ones expected to follow them |
| 18:25.57 | ccox | Neuro - which is the case :-) |
| 18:25.59 | nevcairiel | again, its beta. They dont ban for that in the live forums |
| 18:26.00 | Neuro_Medivh | if I go into a restaurant, I'm expected to act somewhat politely, or they will ask me to leave |
| 18:26.01 | selckin | they improved their image to me by banning them |
| 18:26.09 | ccox | nevcairiel - good |
| 18:26.12 | zenzelezz | the people getting banned generally cause themselves to be resented beforehand anyhow |
| 18:26.13 | nevcairiel | selckin: i agree :D |
| 18:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, same. By banning those people I like them all the better. |
| 18:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | It is not an outrageous expectation that people have read the rules and can be expected to follow them |
| 18:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It is not outrageous to remove those people who haven't read them/aren't follow them from posting on the forums |
| 18:27.26 | ccox | having run several public betas, and closed betas - I know from experience that this sort of heavy handed moderation backfires |
| 18:27.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the great thing about WoW though |
| 18:27.48 | ScytheBlade1 | If it backfires, they can just keep banning people - it's not like they'll run out of testers |
| 18:27.48 | ccox | more careful moderation "yes, we're listening, but too busy to respond to every post" works much, much better |
| 18:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 18:27.56 | zenzelezz | I disagree |
| 18:27.58 | nevcairiel | What do you want to do? Let the retards continue their name calling and personal attacks against single devs? |
| 18:28.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Which they've said time and time and time again |
| 18:28.23 | ccox | scythe - no, they will create more resentment, hurt the company image and lose customers |
| 18:28.24 | ScytheBlade1 | And posted numerous warnings over the past weeks to stop the trolling and sensational "the world is ending" posts |
| 18:28.34 | nevcairiel | ccox: they do that if a thread even started with a half-decent post, GC does it all the time |
| 18:28.35 | Fisker- | I doubt that |
| 18:28.39 | nevcairiel | some people just step over a line |
| 18:28.40 | ccox | scythe - the software industry is full of examples of what happens when you crap on customers |
| 18:28.44 | nevcairiel | and thats where tigole came in now |
| 18:28.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure it is |
| 18:28.53 | Fisker- | nevcairiel only if you're AMERIKKKKAN though |
| 18:29.08 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: I respectfully disagree. Banning from beta (and tbh, I believe he's just banning them from the forums) will have less negative impact than positive for Blizzard |
| 18:29.12 | selckin | wow would be a better game of half the forum crybabies stopped playing |
| 18:29.18 | ScytheBlade1 | And to that I'll simply say that they have only gained reputation with me (and apparently most of this channel) by enforcing their rules after issuing numerous warnings and suggestions to posters who were breaking the rules |
| 18:29.33 | ccox | Neuro - again, my experience says otherwise |
| 18:29.38 | nevcairiel | Its not like Tigole banned them out-of-the-blue now |
| 18:29.44 | nevcairiel | he has been warning them, and not only him |
| 18:29.49 | ccox | Neuro - fortunately, most of these QQers aren't old enough to have lawyers :-) |
| 18:29.58 | zenzelezz | ccox: your experience may not correlate to other people's experience, yet you may both be right |
| 18:30.02 | nevcairiel | that would be an interesting case |
| 18:30.11 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: Lawyers? |
| 18:30.16 | [dRaCo] | there wouldnt be a case at all |
| 18:30.27 | Neuro_Medivh | what would a lawyer have anything to do with it? |
| 18:30.29 | ccox | Neuro - yeah, it can get that bad |
| 18:30.39 | Neuro_Medivh | and it would get laughed out of court |
| 18:30.44 | [dRaCo] | blizz' ToS say clearly they can ban anybody for anything they want |
| 18:30.47 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as I'm concerned, you can follow the rules, or you can be removed from the beta forums/beta gameplay |
| 18:30.47 | Neuro_Medivh | first, there's zero financial loss incurred |
| 18:30.52 | ccox | Neuro - then you haven't dealt with lawyers and customers often enough |
| 18:30.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't consider that to be an outrageous request |
| 18:31.09 | ccox | Neuro - even the most ridiculous claim takes a lot of time and money to resolve |
| 18:31.27 | Neuro_Medivh | no true lawyer would even take the case |
| 18:31.33 | ccox | Neuro - there is a strong case for libel or slander |
| 18:31.35 | Neuro_Medivh | because he knows it's a no win |
| 18:31.42 | Neuro_Medivh | what libel? |
| 18:31.44 | ccox | Neuro - oh, just how naive are you? |
| 18:31.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ........... |
| 18:31.52 | ccox | Neuro - many lawyers would jump on it |
| 18:31.54 | kd3 | libel? slander? for banning someone from the forum? |
| 18:32.06 | ccox | kd3 - for the comments made with the banning |
| 18:32.10 | nevcairiel | ccox: they seriously want to defend someone that himself insulted a Dev on a public forum? |
| 18:32.24 | nevcairiel | Wonder how that will work out :D |
| 18:32.25 | ccox | nev - yes, they could make a case |
| 18:32.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Not a one of those comments were inaccurate or outlandish to the point of libel/slander |
| 18:32.41 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm not naive at all, I simply know that there's absolutely no legal recourse for people who are invited into a forum and then banned for violating the TOS. |
| 18:32.47 | ccox | I have seen lawsuits with less basis waste a lot of time and money |
| 18:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | If he had started calling them tools and ragging on their IQ, that'd be another story |
| 18:33.05 | nevcairiel | ccox: look at the comments by tigole, http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10043319402-who-is-the-rogue-dev.html .. he never said anything bad |
| 18:33.17 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: they'd be wasting their own time and money, as blizzard has it's own in-house counsel already on retainer |
| 18:33.17 | ccox | nev - I'm looking at more of his comments |
| 18:33.42 | ccox | Neuro - yes, but some lawyers would take the case hoping Bliz would settle rather than waste money on defense |
| 18:33.49 | ccox | Neuro - all too common a tactic these days |
| 18:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ccox: don't limit yourself to his comments alone, go look at all of the blue posts over the past few weeks. Nearly every other one of them says something along the lines of "please post constructively" |
| 18:34.00 | Neuro_Medivh | AND, most states have frivolous complaint laws specifically designed to prevent that sort of action |
| 18:34.15 | ccox | scythe - I'm seeing that |
| 18:34.35 | ccox | Scythe - but tigole seems to be going a bit far |
| 18:34.37 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: You are correct, ccox, anyone can sue anyone else for just about anything |
| 18:35.06 | Neuro_Medivh | but in many states, if the court judges it to be completely without merit, he can order the plantiff to pay defense court costs |
| 18:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | All I'm saying is that they have been telling people for weeks to drop the QQ, "or else" - I don't think for a moment that telling people off and banning them (enforcement of their own rules) after weeks of saying "quit it" is "going a bit far" |
| 18:35.18 | ccox | Neuro - um, no they really don't protect against frivolous lawsuits (the lawyers saw to that) |
| 18:35.23 | kd3 | a bit far? they got invited to the beta. they can be asked (or forced) to leave |
| 18:35.43 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: I'd put money on Blizzard's lawyers crushing whoever brought a frivolous lawsuit against Blizz |
| 18:35.47 | kd3 | ^ |
| 18:35.49 | Neuro_Medivh | especially one over forum bans |
| 18:35.58 | Neuro_Medivh | therefore, no real lawyer would take the case |
| 18:36.02 | nevcairiel | Like that restaurant example earlier, are you going to Sue the restaurant because they kicked you out after you totally behaved out of line? :D |
| 18:36.09 | zenzelezz | SCO gave a bit of a warning what you could face if you go sue for just anything |
| 18:36.17 | ccox | Neuro - I'd put money on them settling, because going to court is too expensive |
| 18:36.23 | Fisker- | Blizzard is the reason why we can't have nice things |
| 18:36.34 | kd3 | blizz has more money than god. I doubt there's a "too expensive" for them right now |
| 18:36.46 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: no way they'd settle, because it would just invite the next guy to do it too |
| 18:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | If they honestly got a lawsuit over a forum ban |
| 18:36.50 | nevcairiel | They would probably just go to court to show them off |
| 18:36.53 | ccox | nev - that sort of suite has been done, and won |
| 18:37.06 | Fisker- | kd3 |
| 18:37.12 | Fisker- | you're the reason why we can't have nice things |
| 18:37.12 | nevcairiel | ccox: good that i dont live in US, i doubt any judge would even consider that here :D |
| 18:37.12 | ccox | kd3 - Microsoft has more money, and settles all the time |
| 18:37.25 | ccox | nev - yeah, some other countries are a little more sane |
| 18:37.27 | Neuro_Medivh | people bring real suits against Microsoft |
| 18:37.28 | selckin | i ban you all for badmouthing the legal process ! |
| 18:37.43 | Fisker- | also they have big boy moneys |
| 18:37.44 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 18:37.52 | zenzelezz | ccox: MS get sued for completely different things, like copyright infringements or licencing crap |
| 18:38.04 | Neuro_Medivh | things with a real legal basis |
| 18:38.13 | ccox | Neuro - people bring nuisance suites aginst MS all the time |
| 18:38.28 | ccox | Neuro - you don't hear about the hundreds of suits they get every year |
| 18:38.39 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: You're right, I don't... where do YOU hear about them? |
| 18:38.59 | Neuro_Medivh | can you show me a link showign where MS settles hundreds of nuisence suits? |
| 18:39.11 | ccox | from my corporate lawyers, and my friends at Microsoft who have to waste weeks of time on depositions and suit related crap |
| 18:39.35 | ccox | Neuro - some of it is in their financial reports |
| 18:39.38 | RawrVed | ummm.... i believe that none of the blue posts by Tigole were either libel or slander |
| 18:39.48 | ccox | Neuro - but much of it is lumped together without specifics |
| 18:39.49 | Neuro_Medivh | again, please show me links... I wanna see how I can get in on this obviously easy money |
| 18:39.59 | Neuro_Medivh | cause according to you, all I have to do is file a suit and I get PAID BABY! |
| 18:40.20 | nevcairiel | "My computer blew up after installign Vista, gimme money NOAW!" |
| 18:40.25 | Neuro_Medivh | damn skippy |
| 18:40.53 | ccox | sadly, there are too many people and lawyers with just that attitude |
| 18:41.04 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but most of them LOSE |
| 18:41.17 | nevcairiel | Lawyers is the reason we cant have nice things |
| 18:41.17 | Neuro_Medivh | because companies know they have to fight the silly lawsuits |
| 18:41.37 | Neuro_Medivh | to prevent any nutcase from filing one |
| 18:41.39 | ccox | Neuro - some lose, some settle, and only a handful make it to court and get thrown out, but a few win (hot coffee anyone?) |
| 18:41.59 | nevcairiel | thats a typical US case, really |
| 18:42.10 | nevcairiel | the hot coffee one |
| 18:42.16 | nevcairiel | I mean how dumb can you be =P |
| 18:42.17 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: my entire point is that no company settles a completely friviolous lawsuit |
| 18:42.26 | Neuro_Medivh | they only settle when there's an actual basis |
| 18:42.28 | ccox | Neuro - but it is frequently cheaper to just settle than fight the frivilous ones |
| 18:42.36 | ccox | Neuro - LOL - they do all the @#$%@ time |
| 18:42.50 | selckin | their own fault they get sued then. |
| 18:42.53 | Neuro_Medivh | so you say, but I see nothing backing it |
| 18:43.03 | ccox | nev - yeah, I know - poster child for the broken american legal system |
| 18:43.10 | selckin | fight em all, ppl will sotp sueing |
| 18:43.13 | Neuro_Medivh | I could say "No, they kill people who sue them ALL THE TIME! Cause this guy I know told me" |
| 18:43.38 | ccox | Neuro - read the news, talk to lawyers |
| 18:43.39 | Neuro_Medivh | no major company can afford to settle baseless lawsuits, EVEN if settling is cheaper than fighting it |
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| 18:43.52 | Neuro_Medivh | because then, ANYONE would sue them |
| 18:43.55 | NightHawkTheSane | I think this may be my favorite thread ever: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10043319402-who-is-the-rogue-dev.html |
| 18:43.55 | ccox | Neuro - heck, go talk to a judge, they all have some great stories about stupid lawsuits and how they ended up |
| 18:44.15 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: I'm not doubting that some silly lawsuits go to trial |
| 18:44.15 | nevcairiel | ~tigole++ |
| 18:44.19 | ccox | Neuro - I don't know where you are living, but here in the US, they settle all the freakin time |
| 18:44.23 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: seriously :) |
| 18:45.20 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: I live in Texas, I know lawsuits get settled, I'm talking about STUPID BASELESS lawsuits. I know people file them, but I also know that when the lawsuit is friviolous, the company HAS to fight it, even if it costs more money, because then you get multiple lawsuits |
| 18:45.57 | ccox | Neuro - even the stupid ones get settled, easier and cheaper to pay them off a little than risk a jury giving them a huge payoff |
| 18:46.11 | ccox | Neuro - please, go talk to some lawyers, especially corporate lawyers |
| 18:46.28 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: Obviously we're talking about different things. I'm talking about lawsuits with ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE OF WINNING |
| 18:46.29 | ccox | Neuro - it really sounds like you haven't read the news or don't have any experience in the corporate world |
| 18:46.36 | ccox | Neuro - yes, I am too |
| 18:46.57 | ccox | Neuro - what you think isn't winnable doesn't matter to a jury of people who may or may not have completed high-school |
| 18:47.21 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: it sounds like you are just making shit up |
| 18:47.28 | Neuro_Medivh | that, and insulting me for no reason |
| 18:47.30 | ccox | Neuro - I wish I was |
| 18:47.33 | nevcairiel | dont they try to get at least some smart people in the jury? all parts of society etc? |
| 18:47.34 | Neuro_Medivh | I think you are |
| 18:47.51 | Neuro_Medivh | I think you're just trying to justify your dislike of these forum bans with all sorts of made-up shit |
| 18:47.56 | selckin | just drop it both of you, not getting anywhere. |
| 18:48.01 | ccox | nev - frequently they try NOT to get educated people on the jury (dismissing them) |
| 18:48.19 | ccox | Neuro - not in the least, I'm just informing you of reality |
| 18:48.25 | Neuro_Medivh | No, you're just making it up |
| 18:48.38 | Neuro_Medivh | you sound like you've been watching too many lawyer shows |
| 18:48.44 | ccox | LOL |
| 18:48.55 | Neuro_Medivh | or reading about the occassional silly lawsuit |
| 18:49.02 | Neuro_Medivh | and assuming all lawsuits go that way |
| 18:49.08 | ccox | more like "been sued too often for pointless crap" |
| 18:49.10 | Neuro_Medivh | cause in real life, the big companies almost ALWAYS win |
| 18:49.24 | ccox | ROTFLMAO!!!! |
| 18:50.09 | RawrVed | roflmao! he spelled it wrong |
| 18:50.20 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, they do, ccox. They have the money and the connections |
| 18:50.30 | Neuro_Medivh | notice I said BIG companies |
| 18:50.45 | Neuro_Medivh | not some small local company barely making payroll |
| 18:50.47 | ccox | I can't decide whether Neuro lives a sheltered life, or is trying to be funny here |
| 18:51.19 | selckin | i think you'll both never convince each other and are just wasting time and getting pissed of with each other :) |
| 18:51.21 | ccox | That's not insulting - just trying to figure out how Neuro can be so disconnected from life |
| 18:51.40 | ccox | I'm not pissed, just laughing really hard |
| 18:51.49 | Neuro_Medivh | How do you assume I'm disconnected from life? According to you, anyone can sue any company and they win 90% of the time |
| 18:52.04 | ccox | Neuro - I never said anything about percentages |
| 18:52.04 | Neuro_Medivh | whereas I know that the system favors the big companies with the deep pockets |
| 18:52.08 | Neuro_Medivh | I did |
| 18:52.16 | Neuro_Medivh | I said <Neuro_Medivh> cause in real life, the big companies almost ALWAYS win |
| 18:52.23 | Neuro_Medivh | and they do |
| 18:52.28 | ccox | No, they don't |
| 18:52.45 | ccox | They settle a lot, and they lose quite a bit |
| 18:53.25 | ccox | I have no idea of the actual percentages across all companies, I just read the news |
| 18:53.33 | PProvost | Anyone have a recommended way of determining if you are in a Trade enable zone? According to wowwiki, GetChannelName("Trade") isn't 100% reliable. I looked inside Enchantrix-Barker, though, and that's what they do in there. |
| 18:53.54 | ccox | Reading the wallstreet journal and/or newsweek might help you |
| 18:54.16 | ccox | PProvost -=- no, Enchantrix-Barker checks the zone name against a list of known trade zones |
| 18:54.24 | Neuro_Medivh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frivolous_litigation |
| 18:54.39 | ccox | PProvost - which is why it won't work in dalaran right now (I haven't added it yet) |
| 18:55.13 | PProvost | I've got the code up now, ccox and at least in my version it is doing GetChannelName(_BARKLOC("TradeChannel") and then checking against 0 |
| 18:55.49 | PProvost | 5.0.PRE.3342 |
| 18:55.59 | PProvost | But you guys may have changed that |
| 18:56.03 | PProvost | Since I last updated |
| 18:56.58 | ccox | PProvost - before that test gets hit it calls EnchantrixBarker_BarkerGetZoneText() |
| 18:57.04 | PProvost | But I like the idea of a list of well known trade zones |
| 18:57.13 | ccox | PProvost - if that returns nil, we bail on the whole thing |
| 18:57.25 | PProvost | Mine must be out of date, cause it doesn't have that. |
| 18:57.27 | PProvost | No worries |
| 18:57.29 | ccox | PProvost - the code you're looking at is just safety in case we can't get a channel ID |
| 18:57.56 | ccox | PProvost - you're looking far down the call chain, the first test is at the top of Enchantrix_CreateBarker |
| 18:58.18 | ccox | PProvost - the code you were looking at is called after the UI is created and after the button is pressed |
| 18:58.31 | RawrVed | Neuro: ooooh |
| 18:58.50 | PProvost | Gotcha. I see that now,. |
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| 18:59.10 | ccox | but the Enchantrix_CreateBarker call comes first |
| 18:59.27 | PProvost | But since the if(barker) check is within the if(id) check, you won't get the "Not in trade zone" call if CreateBarker returns nil |
| 18:59.30 | PProvost | Probably not what you meant |
| 18:59.39 | ccox | hmm, that code needs better safety |
| 18:59.45 | ccox | no, that's not what it should be |
| 18:59.54 | PProvost | Anyway... thanks. I'll look at your zone text thingy... |
| 18:59.56 | foxlit | "i bring up a /2 for trade chat and when i hold shift and click the ability it just uses the ability. am i missing something? anyone else having this issue?" |
| 18:59.58 | foxlit | ohnoes! |
| 19:00.01 | ccox | inherited code... |
| 19:00.27 | PProvost | Oh yeah, I'm sure |
| 19:01.24 | PProvost | And your warnings could be better. I was in SW once but not in the Trade channel and it told me I wasn't in a Trade enabled zone. Better would be "You're in a trade zone, but not in the trade channel" |
| 19:01.47 | ccox | yeah, I was just thinking that |
| 19:02.33 | ccox | But with linking trade skills and inscription, I'm not sure it's worth maintaining barker |
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| 19:06.37 | Shirik | errr |
| 19:06.39 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:06.44 | End | ? |
| 19:06.56 | Shirik | gdb: segmentation violation (core dumped) gdb ./base_g |
| 19:07.00 | End | :o |
| 19:07.01 | Shirik | I crashed gdb :( |
| 19:07.10 | selckin | thats quite common and easy |
| 19:07.15 | ccox | Shirik - pretty easy to do |
| 19:07.18 | Shirik | but it leaves me nothing! |
| 19:07.28 | End | nonsense, now you can debug gdb |
| 19:07.32 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:07.35 | End | ;-P |
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| 19:07.45 | Tornhoof | anyone knows how to remove a currently visisble bar with libbars? ReleaseBar does not really do anything |
| 19:07.52 | ccox | recursive debugging! |
| 19:08.16 | Shirik | just keep attaching gdb to gdb until the OS has no more resources to send a SIGSEGV? |
| 19:09.10 | ccox | ...or see if a newer (or older) build of gdb will work |
| 19:10.17 | selckin | just like /join #gdb |
| 19:10.32 | selckin | hey fixed my gdb crash quite fast time :\ |
| 19:10.35 | Shirik | If I /join #gdb they'll be like "What OS are you on" and then they'll laugh at me |
| 19:10.46 | selckin | which might be why it crashed then. |
| 19:11.06 | Shirik | I'm not actually sure if GDB was written for QNX or just ported |
| 19:11.20 | ccox | shirik - lots of gdb users are on embedded devices |
| 19:11.32 | ccox | shirik - ported |
| 19:12.18 | ccox | but qnx is derived from bsd ideas ( I don't know about source), so it is probably close to mainline unix source |
| 19:12.51 | Shirik | Haven't messed with bsd so I dunno, but it's fully posix compatible I know that |
| 19:13.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, these cheese/bacon wrapped hotdogs didn't quite turn out how I wanted them to |
| 19:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | But they're still awesye |
| 19:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | *awesome |
| 19:13.47 | Thunder_Child | boo @ ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:14.44 | ccox | cholesterol-sodium burgers, yum! |
| 19:14.50 | ccox | :-) |
| 19:14.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I grilled them :D |
| 19:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Still terrible, but better than frying them |
| 19:16.36 | Thunder_Child | cook them, chop them up in small chunks (the bacon and hotdog) then put a slice of cheese above and below the meat and melt it. then stick it on a bun. |
| 19:16.54 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd actually work really well |
| 19:17.07 | Thunder_Child | i catualy do rather well in the kitchen |
| 19:17.10 | Thunder_Child | actually* |
| 19:17.20 | Thunder_Child | better than typing thats for sure |
| 19:17.37 | End | haha |
| 19:17.38 | End | :P |
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| 19:43.20 | Lopeppeppy | It's Tori Amos, Crucify. |
| 19:43.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | good song |
| 19:45.54 | zenzelezz | "achievements" will kill me |
| 19:45.59 | Lopeppeppy | I like her sound a lot. |
| 19:46.25 | zenzelezz | trying to hunt down the quests I haven't done in EK/Kalimdor is already painful, then there's all the other achievements |
| 19:48.02 | selckin | just don't care about it |
| 19:48.18 | zenzelezz | if I was able not to then I wouldn't be whining now, would I? :-p |
| 19:48.59 | End | I'm not sure how doable kalimdor is :-/ |
| 19:48.59 | Keias | I feel your pain zenzelezz |
| 19:48.59 | Keias | Being able to track low level quests on minimap should help a tiny bit at least |
| 19:48.59 | selckin | in beta low level quests sho up on minimap |
| 19:49.00 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: wait with hunting down until you get low-lvl quests on minimap .. i gave up on it until then |
| 19:49.07 | Keias | lol |
| 19:49.14 | End | I got EK though :) |
| 19:49.16 | Keias | Well, at least a lot of us are on the same page. |
| 19:49.25 | nevcairiel | I lack like 100 on both |
| 19:49.34 | Keias | I wonder how tough Blightcaller is for alliance at 80 |
| 19:49.42 | nevcairiel | one-man |
| 19:49.45 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: I'm just doing a general run now... checking the quest hubs |
| 19:49.46 | Keias | Cause it was tough getting a group for that before |
| 19:49.46 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:49.47 | Keias | lol |
| 19:49.58 | nevcairiel | if you can one-man onyxia |
| 19:50.03 | nevcairiel | i mean comeone, blightcaller ? :D |
| 19:50.09 | Keias | True, true |
| 19:50.11 | nevcairiel | I should take my feral there and try it |
| 19:50.16 | nevcairiel | i'm bored anyway |
| 19:50.55 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: kalimdor has a whole load for me in the new quest hubs in ashenvale and of course the draenei areas .. never been there |
| 19:51.09 | nevcairiel | Oh and new dustwallow |
| 19:51.16 | nevcairiel | at least i know where to start looking |
| 19:51.16 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:51.25 | Keias | I'm more worried about the old "group" quests |
| 19:51.58 | Keias | Like that one chain where you have to save Redpath in EPL I think it was. |
| 19:52.01 | End | unless its raid group, you should be able to solo any of them, especially at 80 |
| 19:52.04 | Keias | And it used to be like a raid quest |
| 19:52.05 | Keias | lol |
| 19:52.07 | End | oh, I solo'd at that 70 :P |
| 19:52.17 | End | s/at that/that at/ |
| 19:52.23 | Keias | Everything should be pretty easy then. |
| 19:52.35 | foxlit | Redpath used to be a 5-man quest |
| 19:52.45 | nevcairiel | blightcalles is probably the hardest l60 outdoor quest |
| 19:52.47 | foxlit | That was actually quite fun in pre-MC gear <3 |
| 19:52.47 | nevcairiel | *caller |
| 19:52.57 | foxlit | nev: horde version is probably worse |
| 19:53.00 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: according to the PTR I was lacking about half of Kalimdor x.x Done a lot by now, but still ~250 short, unless things change before live |
| 19:53.02 | foxlit | Unless you count pvp interference |
| 19:53.21 | nevcairiel | No idea foxlit, never played horde |
| 19:53.34 | End | well, I can't see how there are that many kalimdor quests than EK |
| 19:54.11 | End | I have a list of EK quests I haven't done but don't need, but I'm grasping for kalimdor quests |
| 19:54.14 | zenzelezz | the PTR said there are 765 Kalimdor, 740 EK (not sure how many quests it doesn't count as part of the achievements) |
| 19:54.25 | End | EK went down a lot I think |
| 19:54.30 | End | Kalimdor only went down a little bit |
| 19:54.40 | End | (in the last push) |
| 19:55.02 | zenzelezz | I got those values from EU PTR a couple of days ago at least, but I'm not counting on them being the final counts |
| 19:55.36 | End | oh dear, it doesn't seem to like my password now o_O |
| 19:57.05 | End | odd |
| 19:57.13 | End | I must fail at password typing |
| 19:57.20 | End | it worked when I restarted it |
| 19:57.56 | End | it's now 580 for EK and 715 for kalimdor |
| 19:58.12 | zenzelezz | !? |
| 19:58.29 | zenzelezz | then what the hell did I spend all yesterday in EK for x.x |
| 19:58.32 | End | on this char copy I've done 575/580 and 651/715 |
| 19:58.38 | End | but, I've done 15 EK quests |
| 19:58.46 | End | I can't find that many kalimdor quests |
| 19:58.48 | End | my guess is they |
| 19:58.56 | End | my guess is they'll nerf kalimdor again at some point |
| 19:59.11 | nevcairiel | wut? |
| 19:59.16 | zenzelezz | what side are you? |
| 19:59.18 | nevcairiel | My EK achievement on beta is still 740 |
| 19:59.18 | End | horde |
| 19:59.22 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 19:59.25 | nevcairiel | that might explain something |
| 19:59.27 | zenzelezz | I'm alliance |
| 19:59.29 | nevcairiel | i'm alliance too |
| 19:59.29 | End | nevcairiel: eu? |
| 19:59.30 | End | ah |
| 19:59.31 | zenzelezz | figures they include starting areas? |
| 19:59.47 | End | probably |
| 19:59.50 | kd3 | they fixed it so they should |
| 19:59.56 | nevcairiel | I have 740 EK, 765 Kal |
| 20:00.00 | kd3 | they were'nt counting before |
| 20:00.24 | nevcairiel | and i lack like 150 on each |
| 20:00.25 | nevcairiel | meh |
| 20:00.51 | End | I'm 56 short for kalimdor, counting quests I've done since copy |
| 20:00.53 | zenzelezz | *if* I counted correctly, I'm at 689/740 EK |
| 20:01.20 | nevcairiel | I'll do it after the patch hits |
| 20:01.21 | zenzelezz | when I finish Kalimdor I might copy the char again, see how I look |
| 20:01.41 | kd3 | I'm at 687/740, 703/765 |
| 20:01.48 | kd3 | need to make another pass on the PTR to see what I missed |
| 20:02.22 | zenzelezz | I'm also hoping I can miraculously gain a lot of Cenarion Circle reputation in the process of finishing old quests |
| 20:02.25 | zenzelezz | still only revered |
| 20:02.48 | End | you'll probably have to do repeatables |
| 20:02.51 | End | like turning in texts |
| 20:02.52 | Carancu | just grind a few texts, 500 rep per 10 of them ;) |
| 20:03.13 | zenzelezz | come 3.0 I might, when prot warriors can do damage |
| 20:05.00 | End | how short on rep are you? |
| 20:05.22 | zenzelezz | 7205/21000 (at least I'm human, +10% rep helps) |
| 20:05.27 | End | ah |
| 20:06.04 | zenzelezz | is it really 500/text hand-in? |
| 20:06.19 | Carancu | yep |
| 20:06.44 | zenzelezz | lua> (21000-7205)/550 |
| 20:06.44 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: 25.081818181818 |
| 20:06.47 | Carancu | and kill the twilight prophet, she drops 8-11 texts per kill I think it was. |
| 20:06.58 | zenzelezz | 26 hand-ins... not too bad I suppose |
| 20:07.37 | End | so, 260 texts :P |
| 20:08.19 | End | although killing the prophet might still net some rep, and I always did the summoning the dudes when I had enough pieces of the set, which give a bit too |
| 20:08.56 | zenzelezz | even farming 260 texts doesn't sound unreasonable. In a pinch I could bring my farm hunter to do it |
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| 20:10.18 | Fisker- | your om |
| 20:10.20 | Fisker- | mom |
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| 20:24.09 | kd3 | "Deaths from Hogger: 1" |
| 20:24.12 | kd3 | "Total deaths: 1" |
| 20:24.18 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 20:24.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Screenshot that |
| 20:24.21 | NightHawkTheSan1 | hehe |
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| 20:25.52 | kd3 | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/93c815dce6a1cc1e569271589369fda8.jpg |
| 20:27.03 | Cide | how come you have died, with a max health of 3713, but only 173 damage received? |
| 20:27.11 | Cide | 172* |
| 20:27.16 | kd3 | I drowned myself to ~50 HP |
| 20:27.19 | Cide | ah |
| 20:27.38 | Cide | was thinking fall damage at first but figured you'd regen more than 172 before you got there |
| 20:27.53 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043219913&postId=100421771289&sid=2000#0 |
| 20:31.04 | zenzelezz | he only took 172 damage, but he died from the shock that Hogger could actually hit him |
| 20:31.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:40.35 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i'm reminded of why i hate pugging. >< |
| 20:40.56 | Kalroth | it's a group full of players like yourself? :P |
| 20:41.12 | NightHawkTheSan1 | no, if they were like myself they wouldn |
| 20:41.19 | NightHawkTheSan1 | wouldn't be incompetent |
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| 21:00.24 | Arkatho | could anybody help me with WoW UI designer? |
| 21:01.09 | selckin | i joined a zg pug for repuation today |
| 21:01.15 | selckin | 21 lvl 70 |
| 21:01.24 | selckin | and he RL started marking mobs |
| 21:01.29 | selckin | i hearthstoned |
| 21:02.14 | cbreak | why? marking is fun |
| 21:02.53 | selckin | i can solo 5 pack at ones |
| 21:03.16 | cbreak | nerf class(selckin) |
| 21:03.24 | selckin | paladin > * |
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| 21:07.07 | foxlit | hrm, antonym of board |
| 21:07.23 | Arkatho | nobody can/wants to help me i take it...:P |
| 21:07.25 | zenzelezz | what sort of "board"? |
| 21:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ~asktoask |
| 21:07.28 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 21:07.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Arkatho: ^ |
| 21:07.30 | foxlit | dimensions |
| 21:07.41 | Arkatho | k hehe |
| 21:07.42 | foxlit | broad as in wide, really |
| 21:07.54 | foxlit | narrow |
| 21:10.02 | zenzelezz | neat, didn't find this before... http://www.synonym.com/antonym/broad/ |
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| 21:10.22 | Arkatho | how do i make a form open usin wow ui designer from a separate form...too new to figure it out :S... do i need to make all of the *.xml files first then combine them? |
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| 21:17.11 | Kaso | ui designers >< |
| 21:17.40 | Arkatho | abwha? |
| 21:20.02 | Kaso | using ui drawers before you understand the manual creation in the background leads to more problems than the ui drawing app solves i think |
| 21:22.02 | Arkatho | ah, kk...personal ideas differ tho |
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| 21:53.26 | Anaral | Evening everyone. |
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| 22:14.13 | |Jelly| | amg hai |
| 22:14.58 | Kalroth | what color jelly are you, Jelly? |
| 22:15.13 | |Jelly| | I'm the old joke color. |
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| 22:15.51 | Kalroth | can't find that on google |
| 22:17.00 | lagger | anyone know the coords |
| 22:17.11 | lagger | for the texture that has all the class icons for death knights |
| 22:17.28 | lagger | Interface\\Glues\\CharacterCreate\\UI-CharacterCreate-Classes |
| 22:21.05 | |Jelly| | AMG! |
| 22:21.13 | |Jelly| | Tokrim hugs you. | Tokrim hugs you. | Tokrim hugs you. | Tokrim hugs you. | Tokrim hugs you. | Tokrim hugs you. |
| 22:21.27 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 22:21.46 | lagger | nvm i figured it out |
| 22:21.50 | Arrowmaster | 'Lesli loves you.' |
| 22:22.05 | |Jelly| | ;) |
| 22:22.42 | |Jelly| | I'm sorry though, I don't think it'll ever work out. You're a warlock and I'm a paladin; it would be like Jesus and Damien mating. |
| 22:25.57 | NightHawkTheSane | it'd be like a bad sitcom, i beet. |
| 22:25.59 | NightHawkTheSane | s/ee/e |
| 22:26.16 | RawrVed | EEEK |
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| 22:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 22:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I had the BRD brewfest quest from last year... |
| 22:49.00 | Tekkub | ye gods... reading the craigslist post and all I can think is "did anyone ever tell you that you can't use 'lol' as a period?" |
| 22:50.19 | ccox | uh, no |
| 22:50.31 | ccox | whadda ya mean lol |
| 22:50.59 | Dewin | Anybody having login difficulties or is it just me? |
| 22:51.05 | Dewin | on live servers |
| 22:51.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: that's crazy talk lol |
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| 23:08.01 | Duman | oh my, tigole crushing faces w/ the ban hammer today |
| 23:08.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: i know. it's hot. :D |
| 23:08.13 | Duman | :-D |
| 23:09.13 | Duman | yay, fix for the +hit/+crit bug |
| 23:10.28 | Sixen | Duman has web-spinning 375/375. |
| 23:18.17 | Neuro_Medivh | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765643365&pageNo=3&sid=2000#42 |
| 23:18.20 | Neuro_Medivh | about time |
| 23:19.53 | Duman | haha |
| 23:20.11 | Duman | I really didn't find it THAT bad |
| 23:20.18 | Duman | I mean, it seemed a little on the comical side of things |
| 23:20.23 | Duman | but whatever |
| 23:21.16 | foxlit | I find the "yes" posts odd |
| 23:21.25 | foxlit | "" |
| 23:21.37 | foxlit | ...! "Hurray for the model we haven't yet seen!" |
| 23:21.42 | Industrial | we already have chicken mounts anyway |
| 23:23.20 | Sixen | So, we can get on the PTR now, right? |
| 23:23.50 | Tekkub | no |
| 23:23.57 | Duman | uh, I think we can |
| 23:24.02 | Duman | I just connected to the PvE one |
| 23:24.06 | Duman | need to just use the beta client |
| 23:24.25 | Sixen | We can |
| 23:24.26 | Sixen | =) |
| 23:24.28 | Sixen | PTR client works now too. |
| 23:25.07 | Tekkub | dear Northrend, please come back, I promise I won't call you a flaming lag anymore |
| 23:25.11 | Neuro_Medivh | it would have to be bad to be worse than the Deathchicken |
| 23:25.20 | Duman | tek: crit/hit bug hotfix |
| 23:25.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: thats a lie and we both know it |
| 23:25.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Personally, I'm hoping for the spectral gryphon from Kara |
| 23:25.42 | Tekkub | don't know the bug, and it said RESTART :P |
| 23:26.00 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, i will kinda miss the death chicken |
| 23:26.09 | Neuro_Medivh | I believe they were fixing the inverted hit bug |
| 23:26.09 | NightHawkTheSane | it had a certain cheesy charm. |
| 23:26.29 | foxlit | Clearly the next forum whine will be about adding the death chicken back |
| 23:26.36 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043220049&pageNo=1&sid=2000#2 |
| 23:26.42 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: don't tempt me ;) |
| 23:26.55 | Tekkub | see it said restarts |
| 23:27.05 | Tekkub | what's taking so long, they run Vista? |
| 23:27.53 | Duman | it's a lot of data to load up :P |
| 23:28.05 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. so, chicken & risoto, chicken and vegetables, or sausage and vegetables for dinner... |
| 23:28.15 | Duman | altho you make a valid point... the JVMs on the web servers at a certain company I used to work for would take 15-20m to start up |
| 23:28.20 | Tekkub | if they're running Vista just say so, I know what it's like, I'll go to the store and maybe wash the car |
| 23:28.26 | Neuro_Medivh | I would assume they are taking this opportunity to rest the hamsters, maybe swap in some fresh ones |
| 23:28.31 | Duman | but that might have been more a function of it being java, than it being windoze |
| 23:28.39 | Duman | err, s/web/app/ |
| 23:29.08 | Tekkub | Duman, have you tried restarting on Vista? it takes like 10 minutes |
| 23:29.12 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:29.18 | Duman | oops, I tried connecting to the PTR, and now I'm stuck at a full loading bar |
| 23:29.23 | Sixen | Heh yeah.. |
| 23:29.30 | Sixen | I'm still stuck at Retrieving char list. |
| 23:29.31 | Neuro_Medivh | that is an interesting question... I would assume the servers run on some flavor of Unix, though Win2k isn't out of the question |
| 23:29.37 | Sixen | But Duman, you can login to a PTR character, yes? |
| 23:30.11 | Duman | yep |
| 23:30.11 | Duman | picked one I had copied earlier |
| 23:30.11 | Duman | renamed it |
| 23:30.11 | Duman | and logged in |
| 23:30.11 | Duman | now just sitting at full loading bar :P |
| 23:30.21 | Sixen | Hey, I like the new loading screen. |
| 23:30.57 | Sixen | wb Shirik. |
| 23:31.03 | Shirik | hi |
| 23:31.40 | Duman | man, I wish the CMs would throw the ban hammer around more on the live forums |
| 23:31.55 | Duman | well, s/the CMs/Blizzard/ |
| 23:32.16 | Tekkub | there's really only one solution |
| 23:32.24 | Tekkub | never ever use the live forums |
| 23:32.32 | Tekkub | except one thread in the UI forum |
| 23:32.33 | Shirik | So this is stupid |
| 23:32.35 | Duman | true, true |
| 23:32.36 | Sixen | :p |
| 23:32.48 | Shirik | I am the control systems team lead for this project, and I just got that position yesterday at like 8 PM |
| 23:33.03 | Shirik | it hasn't even been a full day, and my email box already has things like "Okay, we have these problems. Fix them, and let's have a meeting tomorrow." |
| 23:33.07 | Tekkub | and you're already blamed for the problems, yes yes |
| 23:33.12 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:33.24 | Duman | ahh yes |
| 23:33.29 | Tekkub | that's why you NEVER take a position of leadership |
| 23:33.31 | Tekkub | dumbass |
| 23:33.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:34.18 | Kalroth | my CEO keeps asking me if I want "more control" of my day; I keep telling that I hate paperwork and suits. |
| 23:34.30 | Keias | Suits are awesome :( |
| 23:34.38 | Duman | suits? what are those |
| 23:34.41 | Kalroth | Hanging from their neck, sure. |
| 23:34.49 | Tekkub | :more control"? Like how I get up at noon? |
| 23:35.15 | Duman | I think I can count on one hand .. maybe 2.. how many times I've worn a suit |
| 23:35.21 | Duman | and those include weddings and whatnot |
| 23:35.39 | Tekkub | I wore a tux, twice... a wedding and prom |
| 23:35.47 | Shirik | I like suits :( |
| 23:35.54 | Tekkub | and I refuse to go to weddings |
| 23:36.05 | Tekkub | so I never have to worry about it |
| 23:36.24 | Kalroth | Shirik: So you ARE a middle manager. |
| 23:36.38 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:36.44 | Kalroth | <Shirik> I like suits |
| 23:36.44 | Duman | my normal attire is T-shirt and shorts |
| 23:36.46 | Duman | well, or jeans |
| 23:36.48 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:37.04 | Keias | I can't stand just wearing a tshirt. You guys are crazy. |
| 23:37.11 | Tekkub | My normal attire sometime involves pajama pants |
| 23:37.19 | Neuro_Medivh | well, no, generally you wanna wear pants with a t-shirt |
| 23:37.23 | Kalroth | tshirt and jeans |
| 23:37.24 | Duman | haha |
| 23:37.31 | Shirik | I generally wear polos, etc. |
| 23:37.35 | Kalroth | why would you wear a suit at work |
| 23:37.36 | Shirik | I wear tshirts occasionally |
| 23:37.38 | Kalroth | that's just fucked up |
| 23:37.45 | Tekkub | I"ll throw on a flannel shirt in winter too, but that's just cause I don't turn on the heat |
| 23:37.47 | Shirik | but not to work |
| 23:37.54 | Duman | I'd probably get fired if I wore a suit to work |
| 23:38.02 | Neuro_Medivh | or promoted |
| 23:38.02 | Duman | or at least, people would think I lost my mind |
| 23:38.24 | Duman | WTB something more than just a full loading bar |
| 23:38.39 | Tekkub | Duman, keep watching, it'll go back down |
| 23:38.41 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm guessing you're a Dockers + Golf shirt kinda guy, Duman? |
| 23:38.47 | Duman | haha |
| 23:38.53 | Kalroth | my boss fetches me coffee when I shave, since he knows that I got up 5 mins earlier than normal |
| 23:39.01 | Duman | me? no.. tshirt and shorts/jeans |
| 23:39.13 | NightHawkTheSane | tshirt & jeans ftw. |
| 23:39.17 | Duman | either short or long sleeve |
| 23:39.28 | Duman | but that's because of the industry I work in :P |
| 23:39.33 | Duman | (tech) |
| 23:39.37 | Duman | mostly startups, too |
| 23:42.01 | Duman | yya, got in |
| 23:43.33 | Duman | inventory lag is astronomical right now |
| 23:43.44 | Shirik | ~seen Tuller |
| 23:43.47 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 3d 1h 51m 36s ago, saying: 'so one semi random question a bout the wowace beta page...there's no single click download, is there? :P'. |
| 23:44.07 | Duman | 3 days?? |
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| 23:45.04 | Duman | where's cladhaire... I need him to fx clique so that it doesn't break glyph application |
| 23:45.10 | Duman | s/fx/fix |
| 23:48.38 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, is it clique that's breaking it? |
| 23:51.14 | Duman | yes |
| 23:51.33 | Duman | at least, it worked as soon as I disabled clique :) |
| 23:51.59 | Duman | and clique "does stuff" w/ the spellbook frame, which is the same parent as the glyph frame |
| 23:53.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i see. |
| 23:58.22 | ccox | I really hope they're unix |
