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| 00:04.59 | smcn | so... is the new charm of swift flight finalized? mana reduction on flight form what? |
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| 00:13.54 | NeoTron | they better fix the mount speed enchants pre-release |
| 00:14.00 | NeoTron | makes quite a huge difference on epic flyers |
| 00:16.06 | Stanzilla | my riding crop is a trinket again |
| 00:16.13 | Stanzilla | and mounts stay items when I learn them |
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| 00:17.57 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 00:18.04 | NeoTron | but it only works at level 70 and below |
| 00:18.12 | NeoTron | so once you level you move slower |
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| 00:38.19 | cbreak | "This is a very fast rug." |
| 00:38.20 | cbreak | I want one! |
| 00:38.56 | cbreak | guess I wasn't the only one who suggested that :) |
| 00:40.41 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 00:48.16 | cbreak | you don't think it's great? :( |
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| 00:48.30 | cbreak | there are also loud and noisy engineering mounts. |
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| 00:52.49 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/cumulative-iq-two-and-a-half/683 ...sad. |
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| 00:56.51 | Lopeppeppy | People am stoopid |
| 00:57.41 | WobWork | NAR is my favourite site |
| 00:58.01 | WobWork | It's like customers_suck without the drama |
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| 01:18.52 | kd3 | whee at breaking the alliance script event in the undercity |
| 01:20.41 | Lopeppeppy | Whee! |
| 01:21.48 | NeoTron | alestane: but.. what does it do? |
| 01:22.25 | Shirik | rawr |
| 01:23.53 | alestane | Customer: âA BLT DOES NOT COME WITH BACON!â |
| 01:24.38 | Shirik | !quit because he said so |
| 01:25.08 | Corrodias | so here's what i'm wondering |
| 01:25.19 | Corrodias | how well does WoW work under Wine in loonix? |
| 01:25.24 | kd3 | just fine |
| 01:25.54 | Lopeppeppy | BLT means Butter Lettuce Taco, right? |
| 01:25.55 | Corrodias | so it's able to pass direct3d calls, for version 9, on completely different drivers |
| 01:26.00 | Corrodias | or vaguely how does it work? |
| 01:26.14 | kd3 | it converts them into opengl calls and then hands those calls to the system drivers |
| 01:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | or |
| 01:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You just specify -opengl |
| 01:26.32 | Corrodias | that's slightly brilliant |
| 01:27.09 | Corrodias | i wonder what, if anything, would stop this from working for d3d 10 |
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| 01:29.01 | Corrodias | i have a mental image of a strange system for windows to do this for d3d10 on d3d9 or opengl, so the user can play a "dx10 only" game on XP |
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| 01:29.25 | kd3 | that's one of the things they were thinking about doing |
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| 01:30.01 | Corrodias | i know no positives about Vista and have heard only negatives. i would resist an upgrade just to play a couple of theoretical future-games that claim to require it. |
| 01:30.03 | cbreak | call mapping isn't fast. |
| 01:30.29 | RawrVed | i have vista... i personally have never had a problem with it |
| 01:30.31 | Shirik | rawr again |
| 01:30.42 | RawrVed | yep.... it's me |
| 01:31.11 | Corrodias | A) not having problems isn't a positive, it's just "same as XP"; B) your experience is not representative of those of everyone |
| 01:32.53 | RawrVed | maybe those who use vista other than me are complete idiots who just don't like certain aspects of it.... besides.... Vista (on my laptop) loads WoW with the exact same addon setup faster than my better-equipped XP desktop.... so there's a positive |
| 01:33.41 | Corrodias | that is extremely unexpected |
| 01:33.52 | alestane | So, you've heard some negatives and some neutrals, which admittedly still doesn't include any positives. The only things I know to draw people to Vista are A) It's shiny; and B) that's about it really. My experience of it has been largely neutral once you turn off some of the cycles/bytes hog features and understand that nothing is where you expect it to be anymore. |
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| 01:34.35 | Corrodias | i just recently started keeping a list of what i didn't like about it, and i don't know where it is right now |
| 01:34.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm running vista for the enhanced security, new group policy settings, and believe it or not, UAC :P |
| 01:34.53 | RawrVed | UAC FTW! |
| 01:34.57 | Corrodias | aside from the "things are now in a different place. not because they are better there, but just to spite you." |
| 01:35.41 | ScytheBlade1 | The only thing I dislike about it is really cosmetic, but it's universally cosmetic. They have "my computer" as a sub entry of the User folder on all drop-down folder location bars |
| 01:35.57 | ScytheBlade1 | So instead of scrolling up to my computer and seeing it at the root of the tree |
| 01:36.04 | ScytheBlade1 | You scroll down and find it "somewhere" |
| 01:36.07 | alestane | I often think that the places things are in on Vista make sense, but not so much more than they did before that moving them was really worth it. |
| 01:36.29 | RawrVed | it wasn't but hey.... vista is still better in my mind |
| 01:36.41 | WobWork | That's what Bill said |
| 01:36.58 | Corrodias | oh yes, here's one complaint i came up with from using it: the "file types" configuration dialog was removed. it's just gone. |
| 01:37.24 | alestane | I could have sworn I eventually found it somewhere. |
| 01:37.26 | Corrodias | you now have to get a third-party utility to modify that, unless you understand the way they're set up in the registry |
| 01:37.47 | RawrVed | too bad i'm not him.... besides... to be completely honest, i bashed vista too before i had actually tried it.... now that i've tried it.... i actually prefer it |
| 01:37.48 | Corrodias | i think you CAN configure "what to open this file with", but nothing more detailed than that |
| 01:37.50 | RawrVed | me too |
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| 01:38.38 | WobWork | Although I think he meant it more "In my mind, Vista is better" and not in the comparative sense =P |
| 01:40.12 | Corrodias | i remember rumors of processing power being wasted on running DRM processing of all directsound usage. but i'd have to go look up details. which i guess i will. |
| 01:40.41 | Corrodias | never mind that Microsoft apparently arbitrarily decided "lol you don't need hardware audio processing any more" |
| 01:41.03 | cbreak | it's worse with graphic drivers |
| 01:41.08 | RawrVed | i gotta say though.... when vista loaded the exact same wow setup on a crappy non-discrete graphics card laptop (which is mine.... 3GB ram 1GB of which the graphics apparently tries to hog) faster than my discrete graphics card (8800GTS) desktop, i was like HOLY ****! |
| 01:41.19 | Corrodias | what do you mean, cbreak? |
| 01:41.27 | cbreak | graphic drivers have to check every few seconds if the hardware they drive is a real graphics card |
| 01:41.33 | cbreak | they have to do that with undocumented calls |
| 01:41.53 | cbreak | so a vista compliant graphics card can NOT be supplied with open source drivers |
| 01:42.41 | RawrVed | lol.... hp actually did a decent job on this model of laptop |
| 01:42.41 | cbreak | well... I just heard about it... it might have changed |
| 01:43.07 | RawrVed | dv6809wm |
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| 01:43.35 | cbreak | Corrodias: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/12/a_cost_analysis.html |
| 01:43.52 | Corrodias | it could take me a while to find my info about directsound |
| 01:45.23 | cbreak | that link has nothing to do with direct sound, it's about vistas crappy drm :/ |
| 01:45.55 | Jamash | "The Vista Content Protection specification could very well constitute the longest suicide note in history." is one of my favorite quotes |
| 01:46.06 | ScytheBlade1 | While I like that line |
| 01:46.14 | Corrodias | here we go, somebody here is telling me that vista runs encryption and decryption on anything going through directsound to try to "prevent the anologe hole" as he calls it. i readily admit that he isn't necessarily a reliable source. |
| 01:46.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It's also entirely not an issue for me |
| 01:46.50 | RawrVed | neither me.... don't have a HD-DVD or Blu-ray drive in here |
| 01:47.12 | RawrVed | so it won't affect me |
| 01:47.22 | cbreak | HD-DVDs and Blu-ray discs can not be played with OSS, so I just download the rips. |
| 01:47.26 | Corrodias | "soo inorder to prevent you from curcumventing DRM Direct sound encrypts alll sound though it // soo that the only way things like tunebite can work is if you actually play the file then record off the mixer" |
| 01:47.44 | Corrodias | "tunebite is a program that can take your itunes library and re record them to get rid of the DRM" |
| 01:48.08 | Jamash | That's the thing about Vista, though; the best you can say about it is "I don't run into any of its terrible, terrible flaws" |
| 01:48.13 | cbreak | you can just burn them to a cd... |
| 01:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Or |
| 01:48.29 | Jamash | It's like saying "well, there are land mines in my yard, but I don't go out there much" |
| 01:48.41 | ScytheBlade1 | You can not keep your content/purchase content coated with DRM in the first place |
| 01:48.45 | ScytheBlade1 | *Just a thought* |
| 01:48.56 | Jamash | So you're pro-land-mine then? |
| 01:49.04 | ScytheBlade1 | And magically, all of Vista's DRM no longer matters |
| 01:49.14 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 01:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a fun analogy |
| 01:49.19 | cbreak | not exactly ScytheBlade1 :/ |
| 01:49.35 | Corrodias | i have no intention of buying DRM'd songs, no |
| 01:49.46 | Corrodias | but i don't want Vista to waste processing power encrypting shit that doesn't need to be encrypted |
| 01:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm so totally not even starting down that path with this homework staring at me |
| 01:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly |
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| 01:52.07 | Corrodias | i remember reading some articles on the internet about vista having problems copying files over a network in some configurations |
| 01:53.32 | cbreak | there was a problem that gimped your network performance |
| 01:53.48 | cbreak | unless you played an mp3 |
| 01:54.01 | alestane | Vista didn't like communicating with non-Vista machines. |
| 01:54.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It didn't? |
| 01:54.31 | Corrodias | it didn't |
| 01:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | .. link? |
| 01:54.42 | Corrodias | for some people anyway, it would take AGES to copy a file from an XP machine |
| 01:54.49 | alestane | I don't have a link, but I saw it in action. |
| 01:54.49 | Corrodias | i'm trying to find the first article that alerted me |
| 01:55.30 | alestane | I could copy a series of OCR files between two XP machines in 5-10 minutes, but to copy them between one of those same XP machines and Vista would take an hour. |
| 01:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That's really quite weird, as I copy gigs of data between vista and both linux and XP with no issues |
| 01:56.17 | Corrodias | i'll pull out my famous old line |
| 01:56.25 | alestane | I'm not sure that it was a universal issue. |
| 01:56.29 | Corrodias | your experience may not be representative of everyone's |
| 01:56.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Totally a double edged sword there |
| 01:56.58 | Corrodias | http://searchenterprisedesktop.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid192_gci1261264,00.html is a start. http://techxpress.wordpress.com/2007/04/29/vista-slow-file-copydeletemove-vista-the-woe-starts-now/ seems to be about a different, though also frustrating, issue |
| 01:57.10 | Corrodias | the problems may have been fixed. i really hope so. |
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| 01:58.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Have anything that actually says what the problem is other than what it might/might not be? |
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| 01:59.55 | Corrodias | well, you can find pages of related info with this, anyway: http://www.google.com/search?q=vista+network+slow+copy |
| 02:00.27 | Corrodias | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/27/038227 |
| 02:00.55 | Dashkal | meh, I know it's old news by now but... wtf happened to addon options? |
| 02:03.43 | kd3 | huh. random crash that didn't even spawn the bug buddy |
| 02:06.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really unfortunate that not a one of these articles I can find has someone doing anything more than repeating maybes |
| 02:06.13 | cbreak | http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2007/08/27/1833290.aspx |
| 02:06.26 | Corrodias | it's hard to be certain about mysterious bugs that occur only on a small number of systems, ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:06.51 | alestane | "However, since no actual TV-out capability exists, it's not possible to enable Macrovision for it. This leads to a farcical situation where Windows is prohibiting playback due to the absence of copy protection on a nonexistent output (here's one of many examples of other users running into the same problem). As a result, in the name of content protection, the film-maker is prevented from playing back his own content!" |
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| 02:07.33 | Syzgyn | GG server lag in the middle of council |
| 02:07.46 | Corrodias | where's that quoted from, alestane? the last link cbreak posted? |
| 02:07.58 | alestane | http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html |
| 02:08.05 | Corrodias | ah yes. thanks |
| 02:08.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a link I recognize by URL, haha |
| 02:08.22 | cbreak | mark russinovich is working for microsoft I think. |
| 02:08.24 | Corrodias | i'm currently waiting for windows to count all the files in my download folder so i can tell it -- once again -- to remove the read-only attribute on the folder |
| 02:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | mark does indeed work for MS |
| 02:09.44 | alestane | Here's a great one I ran into on Vista: I was moving our user folders to another drive, preparing to make a junction to the old C:\Users, and once I did so, Internet Explorer was no longer capable of retrieving any web pages. |
| 02:10.08 | alestane | It threw bizarre permissions errors instead. |
| 02:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It would because windows keeps IE memory resident with several caches files hard lock by processes stored in the user's directory |
| 02:11.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Throwing that junction point in would kill those locks quite nicely (that bit is a lie) and likely throw permissions errors |
| 02:11.19 | alestane | After about two hours of experimentation and internet research (on another machine at first; one of the things I had to do was download FF for Windows onto my Mac and then push it over the network), I discovered that the fault lay in IE7's "Protected Mode" on Vista. |
| 02:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | oh? |
| 02:12.12 | alestane | This mode actually causes IE to run as a "low-integrity" process, not permitted to write to directories of medium or high integrity. |
| 02:12.37 | Adys|pirate | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5575687915&sid=1 <- Anyone knows if what he asks is possible? |
| 02:13.17 | alestane | IE7 creates cache folders, but when it runs in "low-integrity" mode, Vista remaps these folders to special locations so as not to overwrite your medium-integrity user data. |
| 02:14.20 | alestane | These folders existed in my user folder in the Application Data section, but because they were copies made from my original user directory, they were created by the medium-integrity Window Explorer, and IE was not permitted to access them in "low-integrity" mode. |
| 02:14.47 | alestane | IE7 was unable to view any web pages because it was not being permitted to write to its own cahce. |
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| 02:15.35 | alestane | Adys|pirate: NO idea. |
| 02:15.35 | WobWork | Adys|pirate: I suspect that tooltip scanning is the only way |
| 02:15.37 | Corrodias | i get a 403-forbidden on the annotated slides from that guy's page. :( |
| 02:15.45 | Adys|pirate | mmh ok shame |
| 02:15.50 | WobWork | Adys|pirate: as there probably isn't an event |
| 02:19.28 | Corrodias | "Protected audio content is definitely protected. You can't play DRM- protected content over S/PDIF because that would give you a zero- degradation copy that you can do whatever you like with (Matthew van Eerde, MSDN). " |
| 02:20.06 | Adys|pirate | Redundant written statements are definitely redundant |
| 02:20.33 | cbreak | RAID 0 is not Redundant |
| 02:21.11 | Corrodias | the phrasing there strikes my funny bone. as if allowing the user to do whatever they like is a bad idea. in this context, i suppose it is supposed to be a bad idea, but it still sounds funny. |
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| 02:30.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: to the people who think DRm is a good idea, users have no rights to any content. :p |
| 02:30.49 | alestane | Except what they've explicitly licensed and paid for, and even that's open to debate if the licensor thinks it represents a property risk. |
| 02:32.15 | cbreak | data is intangible. |
| 02:32.38 | cbreak | they have to learn that it can not be controlled once it exist |
| 02:33.20 | alestane | Part of the point of copyright is that it represents an implicit contract for the handling of all IP. You're not required, when playing a CD, to formally and explicitly agree, either before buying, opening or reading the media, that you're only licensing the music, that you have no right to it, that you agree not to upload it to the internet, retransmit it, modify it, etc., because all of those things are covered by copyright already. |
| 02:35.47 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: well, the big issue is that those in favor of drm feel that paying for & licensing content doesn't grant the user any more rights to do anything other than what they specifically and explicitly allow |
| 02:35.57 | End | oh good |
| 02:36.02 | End | pets are instant cast again :) |
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| 02:37.04 | alestane | Moreover, they feel that their rights to control their content must be absolute; that is, that not only must they control what is permissible for their licensee, they must control what is possible. |
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| 02:38.16 | Arrowmaster | which is why lots of people boycott and pirate on purpose just because of those things |
| 02:39.13 | Iriel | There's also a problem of cost, i dont think it'd be as contentious if you paid say, $2/track for an unprotected CD, btu the cost of a DRM encumbered version of the same track was 10c |
| 02:39.23 | Iriel | (just my opinion) |
| 02:39.34 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/86/ |
| 02:40.07 | Iriel | but since they're a bunch of greedy bastards it's not realy been considered that way, and most consumers dont realise they're paying just as much (if not more) for a significantly more restricted item |
| 02:40.10 | alestane | Iriel: I think that's part of the success of iTunes. The DRM is only mildly restrictive, and the costs of content are low enough that most people aren't bothered. |
| 02:40.26 | Iriel | alestane: Indeed, it's a "reasonable" tradeoff. (ish) |
| 02:40.33 | Iriel | I still buy music on CD |
| 02:40.34 | NightHawkTheSane | (and some tracks are available sans-drm) |
| 02:41.12 | NightHawkTheSane | with music my annoyance tends to be drm, combined with a general lothing of the larger record labels |
| 02:41.14 | Iriel | But i'm someone who used to download thousands of songs on napster, then buy many CD's as a result of the music I liked (128 Kbps is just not good enough) |
| 02:41.16 | NightHawkTheSane | loathing* |
| 02:41.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: thats why you download v0/flac ;) |
| 02:41.38 | Iriel | It's no exaggeration to say my music spending dropped more than a hundredfold when they cracked down |
| 02:41.46 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: But I dont want to 'steal' the content |
| 02:41.58 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: I want to FIND the content, then buy it in a non-restrictive form |
| 02:42.07 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 02:42.23 | Iriel | (Though if they sold FLAC datastreams at a reasonable price.... hmmm...) |
| 02:42.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i tend to buy music I like from artists where it's self produced, or a small-time not-fucking-over-the-artist label |
| 02:43.17 | Iriel | I just dont get exposed to new music very much now, and i'm too lazy to go out and hunt for it I suppose |
| 02:43.39 | Iriel | it used to be i'd find something I liked, then go look for what other peopel with that something also had |
| 02:43.40 | NightHawkTheSane | but frankly, i can't feel bad about stealing music when it's some big label that couldn't care about fair compensation or artists rights |
| 02:44.12 | alestane | There's this Boondocks cartoon from years ago. |
| 02:45.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. my meat's still frozen. i wonder how a bacon swiss melt would taste |
| 02:45.49 | NightHawkTheSane | "Northrend is Full. Position In queue: ..." >< |
| 02:46.14 | Iriel | Hm.. Rock Band has no queue... decisions decisions |
| 02:46.26 | NightHawkTheSane | (to be fair, the queue was pretty short, i started at 34) |
| 02:46.58 | smcn | i logged on about 10 minutes ago and was 6, did servers just come back up or something? |
| 02:47.16 | Iriel | I've got to decide whether my brain is more tired than my fingers. |
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| 02:49.39 | alestane | The gist of the cartoon was this kid asking his teacher about a math problem in class: "Say a record company signs an artist to produce an album and gives him a $10,000 advance. He produces the album for $12,000, paying the differences out of his own pocket, and the album sells X copies at an 0.2% royalty, falling short of the advance amount and leaving the artist broke and virtually indentured to the record company." |
| 02:50.19 | alestane | "My question, therefore, is how much plastic explosive we should use to blow up the RIAA headquarters after it shuts down Napster for infringing on 'artist's rights'." |
| 02:50.44 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, win |
| 02:54.13 | End | oh god, female gnome death knights sound weird as hell |
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| 02:54.30 | Duman | end: make them laugh |
| 02:54.50 | End | it's an npc I'm talking too |
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| 02:58.36 | Shirik | I need food |
| 02:58.39 | Shirik | but don't know what to do about food |
| 02:58.58 | Iriel | Taco Bell? |
| 02:59.01 | Iriel | It's close enough to food |
| 02:59.03 | Iriel | and probably open |
| 02:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | taco bell is NOT food. |
| 02:59.47 | NightHawkTheSane | it may, however, be the only thing open that late at night ;p |
| 02:59.55 | Shirik | I can't go to Taco Bell |
| 03:00.06 | Shirik | Cairenn would kill me, probably |
| 03:00.15 | Shirik | that is, if I didn't kill myself |
| 03:00.16 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. she'd never know. |
| 03:00.37 | Iriel | How about a delicious marmite sandwich? |
| 03:00.42 | Iriel | (spread thinly) |
| 03:01.19 | NightHawkTheSane | wendys may still be open.. |
| 03:01.22 | Shirik | marmite? |
| 03:01.26 | Iriel | Mmm.. wendys |
| 03:01.27 | Shirik | wendy's is probably just as bad |
| 03:01.34 | Iriel | though their fries have become sadly very inconsistent |
| 03:01.47 | NightHawkTheSane | hey. hey. |
| 03:01.48 | Iriel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite |
| 03:01.56 | NightHawkTheSane | wendy's is TOTALLY better than taco bell |
| 03:01.58 | Shirik | Well, I need to go to CVS anyway; think they have little like hot pockets or something there? |
| 03:02.09 | NightHawkTheSane | probably have something |
| 03:02.10 | Shirik | or walgreens |
| 03:02.10 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: No question there |
| 03:02.26 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:02.29 | Shirik | is that like that jelly stuff |
| 03:02.31 | Shirik | not jelly |
| 03:02.32 | Shirik | um |
| 03:02.33 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: OTOH, Wendys is not on my way home, and Taco Bell is |
| 03:02.36 | Shirik | it's really dark |
| 03:02.38 | |Jelly| | Eh? |
| 03:02.47 | kd3 | huh. troll patrol was actually pretty fun |
| 03:02.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: that's a shame. i dont have EITHER near me.. so :p |
| 03:03.06 | kd3 | still pulled it off with 5 minutes to spare even though I failed horribly at the alchemist's task... took 15 freaking minutes! |
| 03:03.17 | Iriel | Shirik: It's difficult to describe, it's not for everyone. |
| 03:03.24 | Shirik | I think I've had it before |
| 03:03.28 | Shirik | but I don't think we called it Marmite |
| 03:03.34 | Shirik | it looks very similar to this stuff I had |
| 03:03.44 | Iriel | There are some similar products (vegemite, etc), but they're not the same |
| 03:03.45 | Shirik | and yes I would agree it's difficult to describe |
| 03:03.54 | Iriel | they're close enough you'd get the idea tho |
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| 03:05.10 | Shirik | I remember it was called some kind of butter I think |
| 03:05.41 | Shirik | apple butter! |
| 03:05.42 | Shirik | That's it |
| 03:05.52 | Corrodias | the way this thing talks about Vista with its DRM-centric design philosophy, it presents to me a vision of a world that cannot HELP but reject Vista as an eventual failure |
| 03:05.53 | Iriel | This is very different, I think |
| 03:06.01 | Shirik | I never got used to that stuff :P |
| 03:06.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: wait, "eventual" : |
| 03:06.41 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 03:06.43 | Corrodias | you know, i hope microsoft and hollywood DO suddenly lock things down so hard that there's enough of a public backlash to change things |
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| 03:07.06 | Corrodias | NightHawkTheSane: i think somebody actually is buying it. my friend likes how it looks, but i suspect him of being an idiot |
| 03:07.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: not to push too hard into other realms of thought, but I hope the same, but fear there wont be. there's too much ambivalence and ignorance over the -terrible- things that corporations do. |
| 03:07.59 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 | Happy Birthday Seerah!! |
| 03:08.02 | NightHawkTheSane | there are so many things that -should- have had HUGE public backlash, but haven't, because of FUD and apathy |
| 03:08.14 | Cairenn | Happy Birthday Seerah! |
| 03:08.15 | Shirik | Happy birthday Seerah!!! |
| 03:08.17 | Iriel | and spin |
| 03:08.23 | Seerah | rofl |
| 03:08.32 | Iriel | happy birthday Seerah!! (Bandwagon!) |
| 03:08.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: well, thats more or less fud, i suppose |
| 03:08.38 | |Jelly| | Happy Birfday! |
| 03:08.39 | NightHawkTheSane | happy birthday Seerah ;) |
| 03:08.45 | Corrodias | and because public opinion is fed by the media |
| 03:08.54 | Seerah | and Iriel and |Jelly| and NightHawkTheSane |
| 03:08.55 | Corrodias | and the media are owned by content-publishing corporations |
| 03:08.58 | Seerah | :D |
| 03:09.05 | Corrodias | welcome to city 17 |
| 03:09.31 | smcn | hey, the lag's back :( |
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| 03:10.45 | kd3 | whee, world server crash |
| 03:10.45 | NightHawkTheSane | and.. there goes the server |
| 03:10.53 | NightHawkTheSane | so.. about that bacon swiss melt.. |
| 03:11.00 | Seerah | mmmmm |
| 03:11.11 | Corrodias | the primary point of protest must come, i think, from the hardware manufacturers |
| 03:11.24 | Corrodias | if nvidia and ATI were to flat-out refuse to further support this nonsense, microsoft would be backed into a corner |
| 03:11.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: if so, the question then becomes, what will compel them to do so? |
| 03:12.00 | kd3 | yeah, but what are the odds of that happening? |
| 03:12.02 | |pez| | Yay! |
| 03:12.14 | Corrodias | NightHawkTheSane: well, i'm not sure. they pass on the additional costs and delays of the products on to the customer anyway |
| 03:12.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: exactly. |
| 03:12.23 | Corrodias | it's not like it damages THEIR profits |
| 03:12.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: businesses are NOT going to suffer |
| 03:13.01 | Corrodias | but just MAYBE some executives will get fed up with it. MAYBE they will be the heros. |
| 03:13.10 | Corrodias | that's a faint hope... but i can write letters, at least. |
| 03:13.15 | NightHawkTheSane | nope, not as long as he's making money hand over fist on it. |
| 03:13.38 | Corrodias | actually, nvidia and ATI are hardly making MORE money due to incompatibility frustrations and increased costs |
| 03:13.46 | Shiibot | Happy birthday Seerah!!! <3 <3 |
| 03:13.50 | NightHawkTheSane | the primary motivation behind any business is profit. As long as they can continue to make a profit, and increase their bottom line, a business could give a rats ass about the consumer. |
| 03:14.44 | Corrodias | there used to be a human among all that business sense |
| 03:14.45 | Tekkub | thankfully, the good companies realize that giving ass to the consumer is good for their bottom line |
| 03:14.55 | Corrodias | maybe i can make a fairy-tale appeal to the people at the top |
| 03:15.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: maybe, a hundred or so years ago. |
| 03:15.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: only the porn companies. ;) |
| 03:15.41 | Corrodias | i'll send a heartwarming clip of a Disney movie. protected so they can't actually watch it, but the thought counts. |
| 03:16.29 | Corrodias | i was just telling my friend that if MS eventually patched out all the problems i have identified with Vista, it would be as good as XP and i'd consider upgrading. now that i know THIS stuff is so deep in it that they cannot remove it, i know i will never get Vista |
| 03:17.42 | Tekkub | THIS stuff? |
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| 03:18.59 | Neuro_Medivh | DRM, I assume is what he's refering to |
| 03:19.10 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 03:19.10 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 03:19.16 | NightHawkTheSane | and restrictions on playing/using content |
| 03:19.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Vista's primary goal was DRM |
| 03:19.36 | Tekkub | uhm, what hole you been in |
| 03:19.48 | Tekkub | people have been bitching about the DRM for a friggin year at least |
| 03:19.53 | Corrodias | yeah, so? |
| 03:20.13 | Neuro_Medivh | I can't discuss which 'hole' I've been in, it wouldn't be polite |
| 03:20.14 | Nechckn | after such happy talk.... Happy Birthday old folks! |
| 03:20.15 | Tekkub | so what's that current meme? "old news is old" |
| 03:20.26 | NightHawkTheSane | we can still bitch! |
| 03:20.29 | Corrodias | i didn't know the specific details until now. i suppose i had some hope that it would be possible for them to remove it at some point. |
| 03:20.35 | Corrodias | or that it wasn't as bad as i had heard |
| 03:20.46 | Neuro_Medivh | but instead, it's worse |
| 03:20.49 | Tekkub | what exactly did you break? |
| 03:20.53 | Corrodias | yep |
| 03:21.28 | Neuro_Medivh | Microsoft believes content delivery is the new paradigm, and Vista is their attempt to control it |
| 03:21.46 | Corrodias | i broke your hymen |
| 03:21.59 | Corrodias | ~tasteless joke delivered~ |
| 03:22.48 | Neuro_Medivh | you know, doctors can now surgically restore a ruptured hymen now |
| 03:23.00 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, one too many 'now' in there, but you get the point |
| 03:23.10 | |pez| | what's a hymen? |
| 03:23.38 | Neuro_Medivh | something you need not worry about unless you're still in high school |
| 03:23.41 | Tekkub | "The account you are logged in with is not able to post on this forum." |
| 03:23.44 | Tekkub | curious |
| 03:23.52 | Tekkub | did I get a beta forum ban or something? |
| 03:24.12 | |pez| | Neuro_Medivh: butbutbut, I'm curious. :P |
| 03:24.15 | Corrodias | oh pez, such a card |
| 03:24.44 | Neuro_Medivh | it has nothing to do with the but, pez |
| 03:25.31 | |pez| | Oh, ffs, just tell me! ;__; |
| 03:25.54 | Neuro_Medivh | pls tell me you're joking |
| 03:26.14 | Ackis | Tekkub: I get that when I try to post on the main forums |
| 03:26.20 | Neuro_Medivh | cause I'll gladly cutnpaste the wikipedia for it if you really wanna know |
| 03:26.35 | Tekkub | Ackis, well you being banned I can certainly believe |
| 03:26.40 | Tekkub | but cute furry me? |
| 03:26.42 | ccox | remember, we have home schooled kids and conservatives running public education - pez really might not know |
| 03:26.42 | |pez| | Neuro_Medivh: Will you forgive me if I say English is not my native language? :P |
| 03:26.51 | Ackis | :P |
| 03:26.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Tekkub is a furry? |
| 03:26.52 | ccox | But I suggest you just send pez to wikipedia |
| 03:27.00 | Ackis | ~dict hymen |
| 03:27.03 | ccox | That would explain a lot about tekkub |
| 03:27.06 | Tekkub | do they even hand out forum bans in beta unless you make an Ackis-level ass of yourself? |
| 03:27.07 | Corrodias | naw, it's sex ed time here at wowuidev |
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| 03:28.36 | Corrodias | except i don't know exactly how to describe it, as i'm not sure -exactly- what it is myself |
| 03:28.37 | Ackis | so I'm downloading the esMX language pack to test out stuff :( |
| 03:28.37 | Wobin | Neuro_Medivh: yes he is |
| 03:28.37 | Ackis | ~dict hymen 2 |
| 03:28.39 | Horris | does anyone know what changed with CalendarGetEventInfo() with the latest patch on the PTR? it isn't working like it was yesterday. |
| 03:28.41 | Corrodias | "a fold of mucous membrane which surrounds or partially covers the external vaginal opening." -- generally broken during first sexual penetration. breaking it is called "popping the cherry" sometimes. causes some blood as i understand. |
| 03:28.58 | Horris | o.O |
| 03:29.03 | NightHawkTheSane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymen |
| 03:29.06 | NightHawkTheSane | yeesh, was that hard? :p |
| 03:29.10 | Corrodias | can be broken in other ways, though |
| 03:29.17 | Ackis | ~dict 4 hymen |
| 03:29.18 | |pez| | thanks guys XD |
| 03:29.29 | Ackis | ~botsnack |
| 03:29.30 | purl | aw, gee, Ackis |
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| 03:30.01 | Corrodias | AND YET the cat page never mentions it! |
| 03:30.28 | Tekkub | Horris, locked, autoApprove, pendingInvite, inviteStatus = CalendarGetEventInfo() |
| 03:30.30 | NightHawkTheSane | does it need to? |
| 03:30.36 | Tekkub | don't know if it was something else before |
| 03:30.43 | Ackis | so, anyone on a non-english client use ackis recipe list? |
| 03:30.59 | Corrodias | well, it just seems like a bit of false advertisement is all. i click on the cat link expecting to read about cat hymens and there's nothing of the sort. |
| 03:31.53 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, the disappointment |
| 03:32.11 | Rabbitbunny | ... and Tekkub is the furry? |
| 03:32.29 | Neuro_Medivh | this from someone named Rabbitbunny? |
| 03:32.31 | Corrodias | "In the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, medical researchers have used the presence of the hymen, or lack thereof, as founding evidence of physical diseases such as "womb-fury". If not cured, womb-fury would, according to these early doctors, result in death.[22] The cure, naturally enough, was marriage..." |
| 03:32.41 | Rabbitbunny | :D |
| 03:32.47 | Neuro_Medivh | womb-fury? |
| 03:32.50 | ccox | ... and you people are still reading up on this? |
| 03:32.53 | Corrodias | i think i might have that |
| 03:32.58 | Tekkub | womb-fury causes migranes |
| 03:33.04 | Rabbitbunny | womb-fury? hysteria? |
| 03:33.24 | Corrodias | ah yes, good old hysteria. c'mere, let my magic fingers present ye the cure |
| 03:33.36 | Neuro_Medivh | I can imagine that as a high school kid's line.. 'But baby, I read on Wikipedia that if you don't lose your cherry, you get Womb-Fury!" |
| 03:33.57 | Neuro_Medivh | and thus, Idiocracy is born |
| 03:35.05 | Ackis | Tekkub: I have an entry like: {"Teldrassil"=>[[55.93, 62.56], [57.06, 58.86], [58.49, 60.75], [57.06, 62.22], [56.83, 60.9]]} in Ruby, how do I get the Teldrassil out of it? |
| 03:35.16 | Corrodias | "A hymenotomy is a minor medical procedure involving the surgical removal or opening of the hymen." |
| 03:35.23 | Corrodias | hey baby, wanna see my "scalpel"? |
| 03:35.45 | Tekkub | uh... {"blah" => "meh"}.keys should give ["blah"] I think |
| 03:36.01 | Neuro_Medivh | isn't a scalpel supposed to be short and thin? |
| 03:37.00 | ccox | I think he's saying it already is |
| 03:37.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: well, maybe his is |
| 03:37.22 | Corrodias | yet i wield it with precision |
| 03:37.32 | Neuro_Medivh | so they don't feel a thing? |
| 03:38.27 | Corrodias | i think you win |
| 03:38.34 | Neuro_Medivh | I think this joke has just about run it's course |
| 03:38.53 | ccox | "Honey, just let me know when you're finished, ok?" |
| 03:39.09 | Neuro_Medivh | "Baby, I finished ten minutes ago!" |
| 03:39.14 | ccox | (just said, completely unrelated, but too good to pass up) |
| 03:39.45 | Corrodias | "but stay there, i'm almost ready to go again" |
| 03:39.51 | Neuro_Medivh | so, are there ACTUALLY furries in the world, or is that just one of those urban jokes that keeps going |
| 03:40.01 | Syzgyn | ~fail Illidan |
| 03:40.06 | purl | Illidan, you Fail! |
| 03:40.06 | Neuro_Medivh | like Richard Gere and the gerbil |
| 03:40.07 | Corrodias | there are various levels of furry, and they exist in the world |
| 03:40.09 | ccox | There are furries, they have conventions |
| 03:40.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: there are. |
| 03:40.23 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh |
| 03:40.26 | Syzgyn | Why are we talking about them though? |
| 03:40.31 | ccox | but most of the furries try really hard to distance themselves from the nasty furries |
| 03:40.46 | NightHawkTheSane | well, like anything else, it has it's extremes |
| 03:40.50 | ccox | "it's just cos-play, really" |
| 03:40.51 | Corrodias | i enjoy some furry drawings once in a while, which is about the minimum. there are people who get into suits and go to conventions and blog about their diaper-wearing sex, and that's about the maximum. |
| 03:41.08 | Neuro_Medivh | cos-play is another weird thing I don't get |
| 03:41.11 | Corrodias | and REALLY believe they're animals |
| 03:41.29 | NightHawkTheSane | cos-play.. in what reespect? that's a pretty open ended thing |
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| 03:42.00 | Neuro_Medivh | it's the fact that they all dress up like anime characters |
| 03:42.10 | Neuro_Medivh | and all the SAME anime characters |
| 03:42.10 | Syzgyn | Thats not limited to furries |
| 03:42.23 | NightHawkTheSane | thats not a furry thing |
| 03:42.46 | Lunessa | The world is full of the desires and tastes of others. The Internet just brings it to us in near real-time. |
| 03:42.46 | Corrodias | i don't think he's meaning it to be |
| 03:42.46 | NightHawkTheSane | thats a "fan of something else" thing |
| 03:42.46 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, sorry, I was trying to get away from furries |
| 03:42.47 | Syzgyn | Thanks for that |
| 03:42.47 | NightHawkTheSane | there's people that cos-play as almost anything. |
| 03:42.52 | Corrodias | but in short, the answer is "yes", they exist |
| 03:42.55 | Adys|pirate | Is SetItemRef() defined somewhere in the UI? |
| 03:43.04 | ccox | cos-play also includes the gothic lolita types |
| 03:43.09 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetItemRef |
| 03:43.18 | ccox | and lots of goth types |
| 03:43.29 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: gothic lolita? |
| 03:43.34 | Corrodias | furries are generally disliked on Popular Image Boards not because they're unusual, but because most of the artists know english and get emo-rage about protecting their copyrights |
| 03:43.34 | Adys|pirate | Syzgyn: I mean, is it a builtin or which file is it from? |
| 03:43.37 | Neuro_Medivh | like, 15 yr olds in black makeup? |
| 03:43.38 | Syzgyn | Oh |
| 03:43.39 | Syzgyn | uhmm |
| 03:43.46 | ccox | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_Lolita |
| 03:43.55 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm scared |
| 03:43.57 | Corrodias | fchan has like a 30-entry-strong "do not post images from this artist" list |
| 03:44.05 | Corrodias | or more |
| 03:44.05 | Syzgyn | People dressing up to be prepubescant girls in massive victorian dresses |
| 03:44.46 | Syzgyn | Adys|pirate: ItemRef.lua |
| 03:45.01 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, I guess I'm just getting old |
| 03:45.07 | Adys|pirate | cool Syzgyn thanks :) |
| 03:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: age has nothing to do with it ;) |
| 03:46.00 | Lunessa | You kids... get offa my lawn! |
| 03:46.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Sure it does. I tend to cast things into terms and situations I grew up with |
| 03:46.29 | Neuro_Medivh | as does everyone |
| 03:46.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: well, i mean, it's not just a certain age group doing these things |
| 03:46.47 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, I know |
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| 03:47.37 | Neuro_Medivh | it just amazes me how the internet has helped so many subcultures identify and proliferate |
| 03:47.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: probably not! |
| 03:47.49 | Corrodias | like your mom |
| 03:47.51 | NightHawkTheSane | on the whole, that's a good thing, though |
| 03:47.53 | Corrodias | *burn* |
| 03:47.57 | Lunessa | sbo - you can say that again. |
| 03:48.08 | Neuro_Medivh | hell, my mom can't even use the remote on her tv |
| 03:48.10 | Corrodias | the internet is my favorite thing ever |
| 03:48.23 | Neuro_Medivh | took me a dozen phone calls to teach her how to use the DVR |
| 03:48.28 | Corrodias | unfettered communication among people from anywhere at all |
| 03:48.45 | Neuro_Medivh | but the cost, Corrodias, the terrible terrible cost! |
| 03:49.05 | Nechckn | Richard Garriott is heading to the space station... look at that progress there, eh? |
| 03:49.05 | Corrodias | to our immortal souls? ah well |
| 03:49.11 | Corrodias | we'll have plenty of time to regret that during eternity |
| 03:49.23 | Neuro_Medivh | No... the rise of this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/ |
| 03:49.27 | Kajas | hmm.. is it possible to programatically change the texture of a button based on a changable boolean value? I tried using the Set__Texture calls in an if statement.. but it's not changing the texture of the buttons I'm using :\ |
| 03:49.43 | ScytheBlade1 | The GIF theory is epic |
| 03:49.56 | Corrodias | ah yes |
| 03:50.21 | Neuro_Medivh | it amazes me how Sturgeon's Law remains valid, even in the internet age |
| 03:50.23 | NightHawkTheSane | also, bacon swiss melt = win. |
| 03:50.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i think i clogged two or three arteries with that |
| 03:51.00 | Neuro_Medivh | from where, NightHawkTheSane? Arbys? |
| 03:51.33 | Kajas | the pastey for my above inquiry is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96384 |
| 03:51.35 | Corrodias | sturgeon's law? |
| 03:51.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: .. i made it. myself. |
| 03:51.41 | Kajas | thanks to anyone that can offer any insight |
| 03:51.44 | Neuro_Medivh | yes... "90% of everything is shit" |
| 03:51.44 | NightHawkTheSane | with bread, cheese, and bacon. p |
| 03:51.45 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 03:51.47 | Corrodias | ah |
| 03:52.23 | Lunessa | 90% of everything is crap. BEST. LAW. EVER. |
| 03:52.36 | Corrodias | hey, i live in that crap. i am that crap. |
| 03:52.52 | Neuro_Medivh | YOU ARE THE RET.. I MEAN, CRAP |
| 03:52.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: at least 90% of you is, yep |
| 03:53.55 | Corrodias | no, neuro, you are the demons. and then neuro was crap. |
| 03:54.12 | NightHawkTheSane | heh.. how long could you survive chained to a bunk bed with a velociraptor: http://www.bunkbeds.net/velociraptor/index.php |
| 03:54.43 | Corrodias | okay, "chained to a bunk bed" brought up entirely different visuals for me from what is shown there |
| 03:56.07 | Neuro_Medivh | reminds me of sleeping with my ex! |
| 03:56.11 | selckin | 47 seconds! |
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| 03:56.38 | selckin | if the chains are equal in length you can probably out range it |
| 03:57.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: that's an insult to velociraptors everywhere |
| 03:57.04 | End | apparently I could survive for 1 min 6 seconds |
| 03:57.09 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawkTheSane: probably |
| 03:57.58 | NightHawkTheSane | End: better than my 41s :( |
| 03:58.30 | selckin | 1min54 rigging all the awnsers to what i think is optimal :\ |
| 03:59.53 | Neuro_Medivh | well, would you really WANT to last an extra 50 seconds? |
| 04:00.21 | Neuro_Medivh | "Oh look, I managed to prevent total death for another 30 seconds! I only lost a leg and my testicles!" |
| 04:00.35 | Corrodias | i get 44 seconds |
| 04:00.39 | selckin | like you'll remember! |
| 04:00.41 | NightHawkTheSane | selckin: i can get to 1m 60s |
| 04:00.53 | selckin | NightHawkTheSane: you stay on the floor or bed? |
| 04:01.17 | Corrodias | however, i highly doubt the raptor would be smart enough to avoid getting the chain wrapped around the bed and, if you proved yourself quick enough, you could get it to reduce its available chain to the point that it can't reach you |
| 04:01.22 | NightHawkTheSane | selckin: top bunk |
| 04:01.22 | End | 1 min 60 seconds is the best score you can get |
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| 04:01.34 | selckin | Corrodias: assuming the bed survives! |
| 04:01.38 | Corrodias | lol |
| 04:01.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i think you also have to punch him in the mouth, not the balls. |
| 04:01.44 | End | no |
| 04:01.48 | End | you can punch him in either |
| 04:01.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 04:01.52 | End | it awareds the same score |
| 04:01.55 | Corrodias | you have to offer him sexual favors |
| 04:01.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i must have messed something else up |
| 04:01.56 | End | awards* |
| 04:01.58 | Lunessa | 1 min 60 seconds? You mean... *cough* 2 minutes. |
| 04:02.07 | selckin | blame the site |
| 04:02.18 | End | I looked at the source to see which answers were best, and 1 min 60 seconds is what it gives :P |
| 04:02.25 | End | (it's all javascript) |
| 04:02.28 | Corrodias | oh Lunessa, you and your simplification fetish |
| 04:02.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 04:02.32 | NightHawkTheSane | End: pfft, cheater |
| 04:02.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: to hell with you and your logic! |
| 04:02.49 | Lunessa | I has a fetish. |
| 04:03.18 | Corrodias | got a few myself |
| 04:04.05 | Syzgyn | Oh man, 2 illidan kills, 2 cursed visions |
| 04:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, this is such a troll, but |
| 04:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1221756086791fg6.jpg |
| 04:05.36 | Neuro_Medivh | is beta (Northrend) still lagged out the wazoo? |
| 04:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I lol'd |
| 04:06.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: im in dalaran and don't have much lag |
| 04:06.41 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 04:07.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: nice |
| 04:07.36 | |Jelly| | Do the guys in Heroic BF always hit plate for ~3k? Cause shit ... |
| 04:07.47 | Syzgyn | The demons? yea |
| 04:07.50 | Corrodias | they may |
| 04:08.20 | selckin | get more armor |
| 04:08.26 | selckin | but yeah some stuff in bf hits really hard |
| 04:08.35 | selckin | specially if you're at the heroic gear level |
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| 04:09.18 | |Jelly| | http://be.imba.hu/?zone=US&realm=Burning+Legion&character=Lesli << |
| 04:10.14 | selckin | yeah, they would hit hard |
| 04:11.21 | |Jelly| | I guess what I'm getting at is ... they seem to be hitting me harder than other heroics I run. |
| 04:11.59 | |Jelly| | ..and that's annoying. lol |
| 04:12.13 | Shirik | |Jelly|: At least it's useful information you get |
| 04:12.18 | Shirik | imba is so annoying for me |
| 04:12.20 | Corrodias | hey, that's a cute site |
| 04:12.24 | |Jelly| | eh? |
| 04:12.31 | Shirik | "lololololol your cloak is not enchanted u r sux" |
| 04:12.44 | Shirik | http://be.imba.hu/?zone=US&realm=Drenden&character=Kimina |
| 04:12.46 | selckin | |Jelly|: they do hit harder then most other trash |
| 04:13.01 | Corrodias | "This talent build seems to be most suitable for: PvP > PvE > Grinding" for my druid. pve tank/meleedps, sitting in my dps gear. |
| 04:13.21 | Kajas | Is anyone here familiar with making collapsable buttons? (switching from the PlusButton to the MinusButton) |
| 04:13.30 | Shirik | and "talent checks are under development for this build" |
| 04:13.32 | Shirik | FOR A YEAR NOW |
| 04:13.42 | Shirik | in fact, I have yet to see a priest that doesn't say that |
| 04:13.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I actually e-mailed them quite a while ago.. |
| 04:13.55 | selckin | http://be.imba.hu/?zone=EU&realm=Azjol-Nerub&character=Oxxa |
| 04:14.07 | selckin | unenchanted! |
| 04:14.14 | ScytheBlade1 | asked to see if I could get a copy of their source for personal, private only use (and not be limited by their site/the armory) |
| 04:14.27 | ScytheBlade1 | This was... months ago |
| 04:14.38 | ScytheBlade1 | And I got a reply about a week ago, saying no but we have a SOAP API now! |
| 04:14.55 | Corrodias | you people and your paladins. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Eldre%27Thalas&n=Melnayo |
| 04:15.23 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:15.31 | Shirik | how useful |
| 04:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah no |
| 04:15.39 | Shirik | we can get all of their non-information |
| 04:15.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly |
| 04:17.44 | Syzgyn | http://syzgyn.org/Armory/us/Kel'Thuzad/Syzgyn/ |
| 04:19.15 | Corrodias | huh, my old guild still exists, still has a lot of the oldest members |
| 04:19.26 | Corrodias | makes me curious about what they do these days |
| 04:19.36 | Syzgyn | Kajas: Didnt I show you my code for collapsing lists before? |
| 04:20.00 | Kajas | you did.. and I thought I mimic'd them.. but it's not wanting to change the button texture |
| 04:20.40 | Syzgyn | You still have them opening and closing right? |
| 04:21.22 | |Jelly| | Sad when I have to say this in group: "[Lesli]: I understand the high desire to click on sparklies but could you not blow me up during combat while you're looting? ..." ... to the lock that I'm out damaging. :( |
| 04:22.15 | Kajas | That's what I'm trying to accomplish, yes.. the code I'm using is at http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96385 |
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| 04:23.43 | Syzgyn | You know you can replace gbb_ButtonStatus[k] with v |
| 04:25.21 | Tekkub | dear Flash... please just die |
| 04:25.23 | Tekkub | thank you |
| 04:25.32 | selckin | i'll sign that |
| 04:25.36 | Syzgyn | Is it working so far, in terms of logic |
| 04:25.46 | ccox | Tekkub - and what will you replace Flash with? |
| 04:25.54 | Tekkub | nothing? |
| 04:26.05 | Wobin | Flush |
| 04:26.10 | Kajas | It prints the "Value is Ture" or "Value is False" lines.. but the Textures aren't changing |
| 04:26.16 | Kajas | *True |
| 04:26.57 | Syzgyn | Ok, so its something in your texture code then |
| 04:27.53 | ccox | Tekkub - oh, I thought you'd be all over Silverlight |
| 04:28.06 | ccox | or some open source SVG implementation |
| 04:28.16 | Syzgyn | Kajas, try using different textures, to test |
| 04:28.19 | Tekkub | why the fuck would I like Silverlight |
| 04:28.39 | Lunessa | Silverlight = the spawn of SATAN! |
| 04:28.55 | Tekkub | Flash + MS can never bee a good thing |
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| 04:31.14 | ccox | well, you know - latest, greatest buzzword and all that |
| 04:31.48 | Tekkub | buzzwords are for people that don't know what they're talking about, so they can sound like they do |
| 04:32.05 | ccox | oh, you mean "management" |
| 04:32.11 | Tekkub | yes |
| 04:32.25 | Ackis | silverlight > git!!!! |
| 04:32.30 | Ackis | (what's silverlight?) |
| 04:32.50 | Tekkub | Flash, by MS |
| 04:33.57 | ccox | "we don't control this standard, what can we do to replace it?" |
| 04:34.01 | Kajas | Syzgyn: I changed it so that it changes from the roll loot buttn (dice) and the plus button. It'll change to the dice, but won't change back |
| 04:34.14 | Kajas | oh, nvm.. |
| 04:34.20 | Kajas | Typo prevents it..1 sec |
| 04:37.33 | End | oops...attack an elite on accident |
| 04:38.25 | Kajas | okay.. for some reason it's now working.. Thanks Syzgyn |
| 04:38.41 | Kajas | now the hard part.. figuring out how to populate child buttons and so-on |
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| 04:40.02 | Lunessa | Well, first Mommy Button and Daddy Button love each other very much... |
| 04:40.42 | Wobin | or they consider adoption |
| 04:41.50 | Lunessa | Or they just inherrit... |
| 04:44.44 | Arrowmaster | omfg our MT died on trash right as a mob died (perty sure healers let him die) and /gquit and then let people pull aggro on the next pull then went around tbaging the dead people |
| 04:45.08 | |Jelly| | wtf... |
| 04:45.13 | selckin | notting like emo tanks |
| 04:45.19 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 04:45.52 | |Jelly| | ILY ARROWMASTER! |
| 04:45.59 | Arrowmaster | ily? |
| 04:46.11 | Arrowmaster | illidan? |
| 04:46.17 | |Jelly| | aww. you don't understand faggot acronyms? |
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| 04:46.26 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:46.31 | |Jelly| | I learned it straight from Fywen. |
| 04:46.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah i avoid him |
| 04:47.18 | |Jelly| | (no offense to homosexuals in here ... Fywen is just ... yeah. dumb) |
| 04:47.47 | |Jelly| | Have you ever heard on Vent? |
| 04:47.56 | Arrowmaster | im on it right now |
| 04:48.05 | |Jelly| | heard [him] on vent? |
| 04:48.10 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:53.22 | End | holy shit |
| 04:53.31 | End | alexstrasza is a big dragon when she wants to be |
| 04:53.53 | End | oh |
| 04:53.56 | End | that's depressing |
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| 04:55.44 | NightHawkTheSane | End: are you talking about the event in dragonblight? |
| 04:55.48 | End | yes |
| 04:55.55 | End | it was somewhat bugged when I originally did it |
| 04:56.01 | End | but I went back and talked to her |
| 04:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 04:56.04 | End | her news was not pleasing |
| 04:56.11 | NightHawkTheSane | same, i just finished the followup quests, actually |
| 04:56.16 | NightHawkTheSane | they're -fucking awesome- |
| 04:56.26 | End | are you horde or alliance? |
| 04:56.29 | NightHawkTheSane | hrode |
| 04:56.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hrode. |
| 04:56.33 | End | me too |
| 04:56.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ... HORDE |
| 04:56.39 | End | I wonder what happens to alliance |
| 04:56.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i've got.. an idea.. based on what happens in the followups. ill not say anything, though ;) |
| 04:57.10 | End | well, I have a theory, but I haven't done the follow up yet ;-p |
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| 05:01.40 | End | ...well, don't fly down elevator in warsong gulch anymore |
| 05:01.44 | End | er |
| 05:01.47 | End | ...well, don't fly down elevator in warsong hold anymore |
| 05:01.52 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe.. you did that too? :) |
| 05:01.53 | End | it dismounts you as soon as you enter |
| 05:02.00 | End | yeah |
| 05:02.37 | End | I'm all bearing ill news and then I die in the elevator so my news doesn't even get there ;-p |
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| 05:03.11 | End | I swear that shit is gonna be worse than the UC elevator ;-p |
| 05:04.22 | End | convienant |
| 05:04.30 | End | delivering the news leveled me up |
| 05:04.43 | End | and I gotta train anyways and there's a portal for me to org :P |
| 05:05.25 | End | wow |
| 05:05.26 | NightHawkTheSane | heh... |
| 05:05.28 | End | org is...wow |
| 05:05.32 | NightHawkTheSane | heh :) |
| 05:05.54 | End | even gamon is pissed off I guess :P |
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| 05:11.11 | End | so |
| 05:11.18 | End | <3 wotlk |
| 05:11.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 05:11.24 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 05:19.41 | End | holy balls thrall owns |
| 05:19.50 | End | also my pet has like no hp |
| 05:24.21 | Ackis | so I just installed esMX on my installation, and I have to repatch... if I install the 2.x -> 2.4 enUS patch will that patch in the esMX as well? |
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| 05:27.56 | Ackis | meh sleep time if you have an answer PM me :P hehe |
| 05:29.19 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 05:29.30 | Arrowmaster | depends on when they added the esMX |
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| 05:33.53 | Sixen | The hell? Beta can access PTR servers? |
| 05:34.03 | Syzgyn | aye |
| 05:34.06 | Sixen | From the Beta Cleint? |
| 05:34.07 | Sixen | =O |
| 05:35.42 | NightHawkTheSane | what? we can? |
| 05:38.18 | Syzgyn | they're on the server list |
| 05:44.57 | Sixen | Yeah =X |
| 05:45.06 | Sixen | I'll do some testing in the morning, i'm dead... Night guys. |
| 05:47.47 | End | wow |
| 05:47.50 | End | the king is an asshole |
| 05:47.54 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 05:47.56 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck him. |
| 05:48.00 | End | seriously |
| 05:48.09 | kd3 | no freaking joke. my jaw dropped watching his actions in undercity |
| 05:48.29 | End | oh |
| 05:48.32 | End | <3 jaina |
| 05:48.48 | kd3 | I've added the new 5 quests on the wiki |
| 05:48.53 | kd3 | spoilers: http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Reborn_From_The_Ashes |
| 05:49.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, jaina wins. |
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| 05:57.38 | End | I'd like to be a fly on the wall after...you know |
| 05:59.21 | End | lol |
| 05:59.27 | End | I hit level 80 as well |
| 05:59.43 | End | "Congratulations on your conviction to reach the 80th season of your adventure" |
| 06:00.17 | Thrae | s/conviction/addiction/ |
| 06:00.21 | End | haha |
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| 06:03.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. |
| 06:03.50 | NightHawkTheSane | shaman have talents.. 'tidal focus', 'tidal force', 'tidal mastery', and 'tidal waves' |
| 06:04.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i sense a theme |
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| 06:16.25 | End | anyone know how multi-person mounts work? |
| 06:16.52 | nevcairiel | are they in yet? |
| 06:16.54 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, secondary people can just right-click on the mount like a vehicle |
| 06:17.07 | End | ah |
| 06:17.31 | End | no good |
| 06:17.34 | NightHawkTheSane | basically, multi-person mounts are just vehicles, really ;) |
| 06:17.41 | End | this one isn't though |
| 06:17.45 | NightHawkTheSane | which? |
| 06:17.48 | End | it's "part" of me like normal mounts |
| 06:17.50 | End | the mammoth |
| 06:18.01 | End | grand caravan mammoth |
| 06:18.02 | NightHawkTheSane | is the other person in the same party? |
| 06:18.05 | nevcairiel | the one for 16k gold? |
| 06:18.10 | End | yes and yes |
| 06:18.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, well i only tried it with the motorcycle |
| 06:19.06 | NightHawkTheSane | the cycles give you the 'enter vehicle' arrow thingy icon |
| 06:19.26 | End | I think it's supposed to work like that |
| 06:19.29 | End | but they didn't do it right |
| 06:19.39 | NightHawkTheSane | it may still be bugged/unimplemented |
| 06:19.53 | End | yeah, that's my guess too |
| 06:19.58 | End | where do the hogs come from? |
| 06:20.02 | Corrodias | aw, almost makes me want to start playing again |
| 06:20.15 | ReAn | hey, anyone having issues w/ AceGUI / AceConfigGUI on Beta? |
| 06:20.15 | NightHawkTheSane | engineering |
| 06:20.17 | End | ah |
| 06:20.39 | Corrodias | do they require farming ridiculous mats like the flying ones did? |
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| 06:20.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont know, i'm not an engineer. |
| 06:20.55 | NightHawkTheSane | check wowhead? :p |
| 06:21.17 | Corrodias | or just keep asking you |
| 06:21.21 | Corrodias | EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW NOT |
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| 06:21.39 | nevcairiel | its kinda expensive |
| 06:21.49 | nevcairiel | but even non-engineers can ride them |
| 06:21.52 | NightHawkTheSane | plus its hard to say what 'rediculous' is in beta, without a real economy |
| 06:21.53 | nevcairiel | right now, anyway |
| 06:22.06 | End | well |
| 06:22.11 | End | you can look at how many materials are needed |
| 06:22.13 | Corrodias | i'm sure they will be time-sinks |
| 06:22.18 | Corrodias | just like everything else |
| 06:22.20 | End | the mammoth is harder to judge though |
| 06:22.29 | End | since its just a flat gold amount |
| 06:23.24 | Corrodias | if they put in a soviet mammoth tank that only i can use and that makes me invincible, i'll sign up |
| 06:23.55 | Corrodias | patch 3.1.2: "Corr is awesome" |
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| 06:25.11 | End | so, alliance...what is vereesa's gossip text? or does she not have any? |
| 06:25.33 | End | I'm really curious what she would have to say, since one of her sisters is...changed, and the other is presumed dead |
| 06:27.24 | Neuro_Medivh | she's probably a ball of neuroses |
| 06:27.31 | End | haha yeah |
| 06:27.31 | Neuro_Medivh | no pun intended |
| 06:30.14 | NightHawkTheSane | so has anyone made an attitude meter yet? or am i going to have to release my shitty one? |
| 06:30.22 | End | attitude? |
| 06:30.28 | NightHawkTheSane | pitch. |
| 06:30.31 | Wobin | flight |
| 06:30.35 | Corrodias | sap |
| 06:30.48 | Wobin | sapped birds hover |
| 06:31.04 | End | ...altitude? |
| 06:31.10 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 06:31.23 | Wobin | not height |
| 06:31.26 | Wobin | pitch |
| 06:31.27 | NightHawkTheSane | attitude. |
| 06:31.28 | Corrodias | attitude is your Z orientation, not position |
| 06:31.38 | Corrodias | altitude is position |
| 06:32.30 | End | I don't think I've ever heard that word used in that way before |
| 06:32.40 | End | it checks out with a dictionary though :P |
| 06:33.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't have used it if it didnt ;) |
| 06:34.18 | NightHawkTheSane | on an unrelated note: "walter" from sg-1, is in far more than the sliders pilot, always bit roles, but he's in a number of episodes |
| 06:34.39 | Wobin | CAG? |
| 06:34.56 | NightHawkTheSane | huh? |
| 06:35.04 | Wobin | canadian actors guild =P |
| 06:35.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 06:35.17 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe *shrug* |
| 06:35.24 | End | fucking windows explorer crashed again |
| 06:39.56 | Corrodias | tip: |
| 06:40.08 | Corrodias | use a condom next time. windows is big on protection lately. |
| 06:40.22 | Slackwise | Or dont use too many shell extensions. :P |
| 06:42.33 | Tekkub | how do you crash explorer these days |
| 06:42.44 | Tekkub | I don't think I even crashed it much in XP |
| 06:42.55 | Corrodias | it happens occasionally to me |
| 06:43.11 | Corrodias | although i'm using XP and 2k3, so i don't know the proper context here |
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| 06:43.29 | Tekkub | well let me put it this way, explorer crashing is about the only thing I'll accept as reason to reboot |
| 06:43.31 | Slackwise | Most common reason Explorer crashes is due to third party shell extensions. |
| 06:43.37 | Tekkub | and I don't remember the last itme I rebooted |
| 06:43.41 | Slackwise | Things that add right-click context menu functions, etc. |
| 06:43.49 | Tekkub | depends on HOW |
| 06:43.55 | Corrodias | yeah, that could be it, Slackwise |
| 06:44.02 | Slackwise | Or integrating with services... like in-Explorer SVN repository browsing. |
| 06:44.03 | Tekkub | I have a good number of context menu additions |
| 06:44.03 | Slackwise | etc |
| 06:44.10 | Tekkub | and they're all done via the registry |
| 06:44.21 | Tekkub | svn, lawl |
| 06:44.21 | Slackwise | Hmm. |
| 06:44.32 | Slackwise | What do you have against SVN, you git. ;-) |
| 06:44.38 | Tekkub | yes, tort will kill explorer |
| 06:44.48 | krka | hilarious pun! |
| 06:44.51 | Tekkub | especiall if you have the icon overlays on |
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| 07:03.40 | End | (part 2) |
| 07:04.37 | NightHawkTheSane | End: i know, isnt that great :D |
| 07:04.41 | End | also |
| 07:04.46 | End | I like blowing up my hog |
| 07:04.52 | End | you can buy them for 5g currently |
| 07:05.08 | NightHawkTheSane | you can? wha? |
| 07:05.09 | End | and by blowing up I mean driving off cliffs |
| 07:05.11 | End | yeah |
| 07:05.14 | End | the engineering place |
| 07:05.24 | NightHawkTheSane | .. thats a bit vague |
| 07:05.25 | End | there's a hog right outside that sells them |
| 07:05.33 | End | sorry, ask a guard? |
| 07:05.44 | End | in dalaran |
| 07:05.49 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, just by the engy trainer in dalaran? |
| 07:05.51 | End | I guess dalaran is a key detail |
| 07:05.51 | End | yeah |
| 07:05.55 | End | haha |
| 07:05.57 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, dalaran is the key part there ;) |
| 07:06.05 | NightHawkTheSane | "the engineering place" is.. vague :p |
| 07:06.13 | End | yeah, didn't occur to me at first |
| 07:06.15 | End | :P |
| 07:06.22 | NightHawkTheSane | that WOULD explain why i saw everyone, and their mother, driving around in one |
| 07:06.32 | End | that's why I asked where you get them before |
| 07:06.37 | End | cuz yeah, too many people had them |
| 07:06.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i just stupidly assumed everyone was an engy ;) |
| 07:06.59 | End | hah |
| 07:07.07 | End | like that many people would get the mats together :P |
| 07:07.16 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, true |
| 07:07.45 | End | but yeah, it breaks falls for you |
| 07:08.15 | End | don't drive it out of the dalaran sewer line though...you'll survive the fall, but land on a platform with blue dragonflight guys |
| 07:08.33 | End | and they can throw you off the platform, and you won't survive the second fall |
| 07:08.47 | Syzgyn | Hahaha |
| 07:08.54 | Tekkub | AIM BETTER |
| 07:09.08 | Syzgyn | Dont let them throw you off! |
| 07:09.17 | Tekkub | throw them off first |
| 07:09.20 | End | haha |
| 07:10.13 | End | thanks wowwiki |
| 07:10.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate pistachios that arn't cracked |
| 07:10.23 | End | about Jotun the Curse Bearer: |
| 07:10.30 | End | Jotun is a Titan that walks along the Path of the Titans. He seems to be the bearer of a curse. |
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| 07:11.56 | Syzgyn | I want to kill him |
| 07:15.30 | Dewin | Ahoy mateys! It be Talk like a Pirate Day! |
| 07:15.37 | End | arrrrrrrg |
| 07:15.48 | Tekkub | already? |
| 07:15.51 | Corrodias | what? why did i not hear that such a day was approaching? |
| 07:16.51 | NightHawkTheSane | yarr |
| 07:17.17 | Dewin | I totally forgot about it until I saw some NPCs dressed in pirate garb. |
| 07:17.38 | Tekkub | sad thing is, I wan tto "talk like an ass pirate" just to be a dick... but I don't htink I can pull it off |
| 07:17.54 | Dewin | I think there should be a Talk Like A Ninja day to counterbalance the pirates. |
| 07:18.02 | Dewin | You would be completely silent for 24 hours. |
| 07:18.14 | Tekkub | stalk like a ninja day |
| 07:18.44 | |Jelly| | I'm a waiter. This could be a lot of fun. |
| 07:18.52 | Dewin | I bet! |
| 07:19.07 | End | on beta, I've spent 23072 gold today |
| 07:19.13 | End | :X |
| 07:19.20 | Dewin | you know |
| 07:19.24 | NightHawkTheSane | waiter? i do 'arldy know 'er! |
| 07:19.26 | Dewin | I wish I had... 10% of that |
| 07:19.28 | Tekkub | oh oh oh, we need to get the UI people in on achievements |
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| 07:19.34 | Tekkub | er, stats |
| 07:19.45 | Tekkub | I want a "number of UI reloads" stat |
| 07:19.51 | End | haha |
| 07:19.57 | Dewin | lol |
| 07:20.00 | End | That'd be interesting :P |
| 07:20.21 | Corrodias | are there acheivements for soloing dungeons? |
| 07:20.24 | Dewin | I'd rather: number of seconds spent staring at that progress bar that really is completely full but is still there anyways. |
| 07:20.33 | ReAn | anyone know any good error catching mods that work in beta? |
| 07:20.44 | Dewin | auctioneer's swatter does |
| 07:20.56 | Tekkub | tekErr |
| 07:21.13 | NightHawkTheSane | bugsack |
| 07:21.21 | NightHawkTheSane | in fact, i imagine all of them work fine |
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| 07:22.00 | Tekkub | tekErr will make your penis bigger* |
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| 07:23.26 | ReAn | </shameless-plug> ?? |
| 07:23.31 | Kajas | I'm trying to figure out how to create buttons with lua instead of in xml (such as dynamic buttons).. can anyone give me a hand or point me in the right direction? |
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| 07:24.04 | ReAn | Kajas: Can you elaborate on what you mean by "button" |
| 07:24.10 | ReAn | any frame is potentially a button |
| 07:24.34 | ReAn | blizzard made a Button Widget, which has a lot of usefull features, but it's really just a sub-object of a frame |
| 07:24.54 | ReAn | so: |
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| 07:25.09 | ReAn | local myButton = CreateFrame("button", "SomeNameForButton", myFrame); |
| 07:25.09 | Kajas | I'm trying to create a collapsable button tree on a Nav frame.. but it's dynaiclly changing so I have to be able to create/modify buttons on the fly which I believe can only be done in the lua file |
| 07:25.25 | ReAn | well |
| 07:25.31 | ReAn | you can't really "Delete" |
| 07:25.38 | Tekkub | Button is just a type of frame |
| 07:25.40 | ReAn | it's garbage collected when it's dereferenced |
| 07:25.48 | ReAn | and only after a while |
| 07:25.57 | ReAn | so creating/deleting buttons is a bad plan |
| 07:26.02 | Tekkub | you can't delete frames, period |
| 07:26.05 | ReAn | it's best to create a bunch and just reuse them |
| 07:26.14 | ReAn | well yea, frames you can't |
| 07:26.35 | ReAn | so buttons you can't delete, so it's best to replace the "delete" paradigm with "hide and flag as inactive" |
| 07:26.43 | ReAn | then grab one from the pool again when you need it |
| 07:27.43 | Kajas | ahh, okay |
| 07:29.14 | Kajas | so basically, once a frame is created, it's there forever.. can't be removed? |
| 07:29.31 | Kajas | frame meaning any visible element (button, fontstring, etc) |
| 07:29.43 | ReAn | yep |
| 07:29.56 | Kajas | heh, well poo |
| 07:30.40 | Kajas | so trying to create a 'dynamic' list of buttons would potentially just increase the demand on the using client because all the things created can't be removed? |
| 07:31.08 | Tekkub | no |
| 07:31.20 | Tekkub | you just only create a frame when you need one |
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| 07:31.46 | Kajas | right, but once it's no longer needed.. it's still going to be there taking up room..? |
| 07:31.53 | ReAn | yes |
| 07:31.58 | ReAn | that's why you hide it and keep track of it |
| 07:32.12 | ReAn | then before you create a new "button" you check the list of inactive buttons |
| 07:32.15 | ReAn | if there's a free one |
| 07:32.16 | ReAn | use it |
| 07:32.22 | ReAn | instead of creating a new one |
| 07:32.26 | Kajas | but what I'm trying to figure out is will that practice cause undue stress on the client (i.e. increasing lag) |
| 07:32.34 | Tekkub | no |
| 07:32.39 | Kajas | Cool |
| 07:32.57 | Tekkub | unless you just totally fuck it up, but any bad code will do that, not just frames |
| 07:33.15 | Kajas | What does contribue to the lattency from an addon point.. so I can try to get into a 'clean code' habbit |
| 07:33.23 | ReAn | Tekkub: do you know if blizzard changed the interface for thier "Addon" tab in 3.x? |
| 07:33.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ReAn: the latest patch broke some stuff with the interface options panel |
| 07:33.48 | Tekkub | doing too much and wasting memory |
| 07:34.05 | Lonny | Morning |
| 07:34.05 | Tekkub | broke it good |
| 07:34.30 | Tekkub | I"ve fixed two of the issues locally, but the subcats throwing an error I don't think I can fix |
| 07:34.41 | ReAn | i see |
| 07:36.11 | NightHawkTheSane | holy framerate lag in borean tundra, batman >< |
| 07:41.58 | Tekkub | the real question is, were the changes intentional |
| 07:42.22 | Tekkub | I kinda don't want to fix all my config panels if they're gonna fix this next build |
| 07:42.38 | ReAn | yea |
| 07:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i.. dont like the drop rate on arctic fur |
| 07:44.46 | Lonny | It seems like they made some changes to the options frame and it's currently bugged in the recent beta build ? |
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| 07:54.02 | |Jelly| | http://i33.tinypic.com/nobyuf.jpg <3 |
| 07:54.57 | Kalroth | vrooom |
| 07:55.03 | Neuro_Medivh | that's just wrong |
| 07:55.29 | Neuro_Medivh | anyway, it's sleep time.. night all |
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| 08:00.37 | ReAn | wierd |
| 08:00.58 | ReAn | i set my Texture to a real (exists) file, nothing shows up |
| 08:01.10 | ReAn | i copy pasta the same line into a /script command |
| 08:01.11 | ReAn | bam |
| 08:01.13 | ReAn | it shows up |
| 08:01.17 | ReAn | im baffled |
| 08:04.17 | Arrowmaster | whats the line? |
| 08:05.15 | ReAn | /script RuneWatch_Full.Art:SetTexture("Interface\\AddOns\\RuneWatch\\Artwork\\Skin-Full\\Base"); |
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| 08:05.41 | ReAn | where as in the lua i have _G["RuneWatch_Full"].Art:SetTexture(SkinArt.Base); |
| 08:05.43 | ReAn | however |
| 08:05.52 | ReAn | i've checked that SkinArt.Base is exactly the same |
| 08:06.00 | ReAn | before the settexture command i print it out |
| 08:06.07 | ReAn | so it's not null, there's no typo |
| 08:06.26 | Maldivia | hah... the new passenger mounts can be used to carry the flag in WSG :) |
| 08:06.29 | ReAn | cuz when i filled out the /script command i copy-pasta'ed the SkinArt value |
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| 08:07.49 | [SW]Dodge | g'morning |
| 08:10.36 | ReAn | sad part is |
| 08:10.41 | ReAn | both the other textures work fine |
| 08:10.45 | ReAn | i just dont get it >_< |
| 08:12.43 | Maldivia | morning dedge |
| 08:12.45 | Maldivia | dodge* |
| 08:20.14 | Kajas | is it possible to create a table using the value of a variable? such as myTable{va1}={var2}? |
| 08:20.30 | Kajas | i just tried myTable{var1} = var2 and got an error |
| 08:20.42 | Kajas | unexpected symbol near '=' |
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| 08:23.27 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh |
| 08:23.40 | NightHawkTheSane | because of how they implemented the motorcyle mount you can't /dismount off it |
| 08:28.30 | Fisker- | bug report it >:3 |
| 08:30.13 | ReAn | anyone know if LibSharedMedia is WotLK ready? |
| 08:34.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: already done, but still annoying |
| 08:34.44 | Fisker- | spam the forums a lot |
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| 09:04.25 | wereHamster | Kajas: what should myTable{va1}={var2} do? |
| 09:05.02 | Kajas | Var1 == editbox1:GetText() and var2 == editbox2:GetText() |
| 09:06.31 | Nargiddley | what do you want the table to contain ? |
| 09:07.39 | wereHamster | do you want the table to contain both var1 and var2? How indexed? |
| 09:08.14 | Kajas | var1 will end up being the text for a button, and var2 will be used to populate something else on a different frame |
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| 09:09.17 | wereHamster | so you want myTable={var1, var2} ? |
| 09:09.23 | Kajas | right |
| 09:09.42 | wereHamster | like, add/remove entries at runtime? |
| 09:09.48 | Kajas | dynamically |
| 09:09.55 | wereHamster | or will myTable always contain only two entries? |
| 09:10.15 | wereHamster | !api table.insert |
| 09:10.15 | Kajas | myTable will only contain 2 entries |
| 09:10.15 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'table.insert' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-table.insert |
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| 09:10.33 | wereHamster | ah. The you can do myTable={var1,var2} |
| 09:11.06 | Kajas | wait.. I'm mistaken.. it can contain up to 4 |
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| 09:12.25 | Nargiddley | How do you want to access the values in the table later ? |
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| 09:32.44 | ReAn | anyone know how i can mask a Cooldown Frame to a circle? |
| 09:32.48 | ReAn | or if it's even possible? |
| 09:33.43 | Ycarene | Are the absolute hp values on enemy unitframes just for beta or is it going to go live? |
| 09:33.55 | ReAn | it's going into live |
| 09:35.34 | Corrodias | live at five |
| 09:42.21 | Jamash | whyyyyy are you being so nondeterministic about my frame positioning |
| 09:51.25 | Corrodias | why do YOU insist on being so damn euclidean? |
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| 10:25.40 | Jamash | screw you, LayoutCache, I'm saving my own X and Y position |
| 10:27.58 | Corrodias | good. layout-cache is horrible. |
| 10:29.14 | Corrodias | layout changes don't propogate across characters and loading once without the addon active will delete the entry |
| 10:29.33 | Jamash | and doing reloadui sometimes wipes it out |
| 10:30.43 | Jamash | took about 6 lines of code to do my own saving and it's so much more reliable |
| 10:31.58 | Corrodias | i sleep. 'ni |
| 10:32.02 | Jamash | 'nighty |
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| 11:08.21 | ReAn | *phew* |
| 11:08.24 | ReAn | that was a lot of coding |
| 11:08.36 | ReAn | time to make nice composite pictures |
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| 11:25.25 | |pez| | haha - http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/yes_its_a_woman.jpg |
| 11:26.07 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:26.36 | |pez| | I almost did that once actually, but let's not talk about it! |
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| 11:29.36 | ReAn | HUZZAH! |
| 11:29.49 | ReAn | New Version of RuneWatch uploaded... this means i can prolly slink off to bed. |
| 11:29.52 | Maldivia | avast maties... |
| 11:38.55 | ReAn | harro~ |
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| 12:05.14 | [dRaCo] | who broke the EU PTR? |
| 12:08.57 | Kalroth | nev did |
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| 12:34.36 | ReAn | odd, usually Cairenn is midnight-oil'in it @ this hour |
| 12:35.51 | Industrial | yarr |
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| 12:46.34 | Fisker- | >:3 |
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| 12:51.42 | Industrial | Fisker-: :D |
| 12:57.00 | alestane | I believe Cairenn is trying to get back on a remotely normal schedule in time for BlizzCon. |
| 12:57.16 | Shirik|AFK | what do you need ReAn |
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| 13:00.36 | ReAn | nothing special, just waiting on a pending file, and missing Cairenn late @ night |
| 13:02.10 | Shirik|AFK | if it's not DHUD it's done |
| 13:02.17 | ReAn | thanks |
| 13:02.23 | Shirik|AFK | that one will take too long for me and unfortunately I don't have the time |
| 13:02.55 | ReAn | you got me thanks |
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| 13:09.17 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/accidental-lemonade-from-lemons/875 |
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| 13:26.20 | alestane | Customer in an ice cream shop: âWhatâs in the Chocolate Caramel Cashew?â |
| 13:26.20 | alestane | Me: âThereâs really no way for me to answer that without sounding like a smarta**.â |
| 13:27.22 | malreth | just reply: "fish" |
| 13:27.50 | malreth | also, you work in an ice cream shop? |
| 13:28.03 | alestane | I don't. I should have replaced "Me" with "Clerk". |
| 13:28.30 | alestane | Also, "Fish" is the number of surrealists required to change a light bulb. |
| 13:28.41 | malreth | man... working in an ice cream shop would be like working in a brothel for me... I wouldn't be able to keep my tongue out of anything. |
| 13:28.47 | leethal | is this old? http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54809 |
| 13:29.24 | alestane | The article, at least is dated yesterday. |
| 13:30.41 | leethal | cool stuff though =) |
| 13:32.12 | Tentacled | malreth: that would also involve trouble in keeping fungi off your tongue. |
| 13:40.11 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/worst-advertising-ever/257 Smart girl. |
| 13:43.03 | alestane | malreth: Were you folks also in Gajveston proper, or just nearby? |
| 13:43.11 | alestane | Galveston* |
| 13:44.30 | malreth | i live in austin. my parents live in Hockley, 35 miles NW of houston |
| 13:44.30 | malreth | we barely got a drop of rain here |
| 13:44.31 | alestane | I'm afraid my Texas geography is a little shaky. |
| 13:44.32 | malreth | it's the largest state in the lower 48 |
| 13:45.36 | alestane | Well, I know where Texas is on the map, and yes, it was the largest state in the union until we bought Alaska. I'm not there good with where things are in Texas though. Although I do recall one of my friends went to UT Austin for a year. |
| 13:45.42 | malreth | here is all the Texas geography that you need: http://www.dieselsweeties.com/shirts/texas.shtml |
| 13:46.10 | alestane | But it's not a very good town to be a practicing Wiccan in, from what I hear. |
| 13:46.13 | malreth | I live in "pride". My parents are outside of "gluttony" |
| 13:48.54 | alestane | That curve on the southeast side where Gluttony is is the Gulf Coast, yes? Whereas the lumpier SW Side is the Mexican border? |
| 13:49.33 | malreth | ... yeah... you might want to brush up on your geography in a general sense. ;) |
| 13:49.35 | Josh_Borke | alestane: yes |
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| 13:49.58 | alestane | Here now, at least I was right! |
| 13:50.06 | Josh_Borke | or left? |
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| 13:50.48 | malreth | mental note... just because you look at a window doesn't mean that the OS considers it to have keyboard focus |
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| 13:51.08 | alestane | You just tried to quit WoW, didn't you? |
| 13:51.19 | malreth | no, i tried to close a browser window |
| 13:51.24 | malreth | i'm at work... no WoW here |
| 13:51.24 | Josh_Borke | ~fail malreth |
| 13:51.27 | purl | malreth: FAIL! |
| 13:51.33 | alestane | Alt-F4 ftl, then. |
| 13:51.47 | Josh_Borke | my OS considers a window to have keyboard focus when i look at it |
| 13:51.52 | Josh_Borke | you must be doing it wrong |
| 13:52.39 | malreth | alestane: cmd-w, actually, but yes. |
| 13:53.07 | Josh_Borke | see, using a mac. |
| 13:53.09 | alestane | Somehow I didn't expect you to be working on a Mac. That's only funny because I use them whenever possible. |
| 13:53.10 | Josh_Borke | ~epicfail malreth |
| 13:53.26 | malreth | i don't just work on them... i work with them |
| 13:53.44 | malreth | http://twitpic.com/bxxw |
| 13:54.05 | Josh_Borke | you're a day behind malreth |
| 13:54.08 | Kalroth | a mac user! |
| 13:54.10 | Josh_Borke | that was wed's xkcd |
| 13:54.28 | alestane | Colloquy, XKCD, and a stack of minis. |
| 13:54.29 | malreth | Josh_Borke: look at the posted date |
| 13:54.39 | Josh_Borke | :_P |
| 13:54.57 | alestane | Josh_Borke: Someone just break your nose? |
| 13:55.13 | Kalroth | ;_; |
| 13:55.14 | Josh_Borke | alestane: no, it's permanently that way. thanks for bringing it up :_( |
| 13:55.42 | Punkie | malreth: i'm at work, on a mac and have wow installed :P |
| 13:56.22 | malreth | the no WoW at work is a self-imposed restriction. nearly everyone else in the office has it installed |
| 13:56.30 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 13:56.40 | malreth | i'd never get anything done |
| 13:56.48 | malreth | and i have much to get done |
| 13:56.51 | malreth | except for today |
| 13:56.57 | malreth | today is friday |
| 13:57.06 | alestane | So do you get to spend time mucking around with NetInfo? |
| 13:57.16 | Punkie | is that your desk above? |
| 13:57.28 | malreth | so i'm reading about ad-hoc deployment of local directory service policies |
| 13:57.40 | malreth | Punkie: my desk is under the minis |
| 13:58.02 | malreth | oh yeah... the link above |
| 13:58.04 | Punkie | www.booncontrol.com/desk.jpg |
| 13:58.06 | Punkie | :P |
| 13:58.06 | malreth | that's my desk |
| 13:58.29 | malreth | windows... jealousy |
| 13:58.42 | malreth | the physical kind, not the operating system kind |
| 13:59.04 | Punkie | i figured ;) |
| 13:59.13 | alestane | http://machall.com/ |
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| 13:59.23 | Josh_Borke | man he's such an idiot |
| 13:59.24 | Josh_Borke | lol |
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| 13:59.29 | Josh_Borke | wb malreth |
| 13:59.31 | malreth | grr... |
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| 14:01.19 | alestane | Now admittedly, my advantage is that I don't have enough screen-estate to not overlap my windows, so whichever is on top presumably has focus. |
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| 14:01.54 | alestane | But hey, it could be Sun, and whatever the mouse was pointing at would have keyboard focus. |
| 14:02.56 | Josh_Borke | alestane: i love focus follows mouse. i use it religiously |
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| 14:15.27 | alestane | Woman: *takes a bite of the DOG BISCUITS* âThese are the worst cookies Iâve ever tasted!â |
| 14:17.36 | Adys|pirate | [17:14:55] <+alestane> Woman: *takes a bite of the DOG BISCUITS* âThese are the worst cookies Iâve ever tasted!â |
| 14:17.54 | alestane | It was only two lines up... |
| 14:17.57 | Adys|pirate | Men: "... now where the heck did she put the cookies again." |
| 14:18.32 | Adys|pirate | yea 14h sleep over 3 days and half isnt good alestane |
| 14:19.04 | nevcairiel | 3 days is two nights, thats 7 hour per night, whats your problem? =P |
| 14:19.06 | alestane | I take it you're in Europe somewhere? |
| 14:19.29 | Josh_Borke | ooo, burn |
| 14:19.30 | Adys|pirate | 3 days and half, nevcairiel ! |
| 14:19.48 | Adys|pirate | and its more the fact the 14 hours were concentrated in a single session |
| 14:19.57 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 14:34.06 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/ill-take-a-double-entendre-with-a-side-of-innuendo/443 |
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| 14:52.52 | alestane | 4. âIs it illegal to tape a cat to a bottle rocket?â |
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| 14:55.15 | Josh_Borke | alestane: that site rox my sox |
| 14:55.47 | |Jelly| | epic flyers are .. 5200 ? |
| 14:59.58 | Josh_Borke | sounds appropriate. 5k for skill |
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| 15:38.48 | nevcairiel | "We'll have the issue resolved in the next beta patch. We are hoping to get that out before the weekend is over. " |
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| 15:38.53 | nevcairiel | that sounds interesting |
| 15:40.01 | Fisker- | gentlemen |
| 15:40.07 | Fisker- | what issue? |
| 15:40.22 | nevcairiel | some DK thing |
| 15:40.31 | nevcairiel | but i was mostly amazed about the next patch announce =) |
| 15:40.32 | Lyn | FINALLY |
| 15:40.34 | Lyn | BLOODSAIL TITLE :D |
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| 15:57.45 | Arrowmaster | omfg http://notalwaysright.com/paging-leonidas-to-the-front-desk/1218 it had 1337 thumbs up when i saw it on the front page too |
| 16:11.12 | nevcairiel | somehow that doesnt sound true |
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| 16:12.57 | Jamash | it does sound too good |
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| 16:19.46 | Shirik|Ecole | nevcairiel, I have to agree |
| 16:20.25 | nevcairiel | lol josh |
| 16:21.28 | nevcairiel | mm i want to write a new addon, but it involves too much UI work, drag and drop elements, and whatnot .. screw that |
| 16:25.07 | Tornhoof | and what should that new addon do? |
| 16:26.46 | nevcairiel | A proper raid-template builder |
| 16:26.53 | nevcairiel | i was never able to find one that really works |
| 16:27.10 | cbreak | raid template builder? |
| 16:27.45 | nevcairiel | like i drag some buttons in there that say "Range DPS" "Heal" etc, and it assigns people to those classes, and i hit a button to apply that layout to my current raid |
| 16:28.51 | Tornhoof | k |
| 16:29.11 | cbreak | that sounds not fun. NP-BackPacking problems are fun, right? right? :) |
| 16:29.22 | Tornhoof | ehm |
| 16:29.26 | Tornhoof | thats not np |
| 16:29.31 | Tornhoof | his problem |
| 16:29.37 | nevcairiel | the logic is kinda easy |
| 16:29.43 | nevcairiel | got it pseudo-coded already |
| 16:29.46 | nevcairiel | but the UI work, meh |
| 16:29.49 | Tornhoof | nev just wants to swap them to the proper positions ;) |
| 16:30.05 | cbreak | yeah, but it's not like you have the same number of classes every raid |
| 16:30.28 | Tornhoof | you do |
| 16:30.30 | nevcairiel | thats why you have generic categories like "Range DPS" |
| 16:30.36 | nevcairiel | which can fill a lock or a mage |
| 16:30.37 | nevcairiel | or whatever |
| 16:30.46 | cbreak | but they have different synergies |
| 16:30.53 | nevcairiel | and of course, you can still fix glitches yourself |
| 16:31.01 | nevcairiel | but the overall layout is already done |
| 16:31.13 | Tornhoof | in either case you won't have weights ;) |
| 16:31.19 | nevcairiel | 3.0 will dump that synergy thing anyway |
| 16:31.22 | Tornhoof | hmm the ptr is borked again |
| 16:31.32 | nevcairiel | with raid-wide auras and totems and whatnot |
| 16:31.39 | cbreak | I always group people in an invite form to see which classes I get |
| 16:31.45 | cbreak | and then make the groups for the raid |
| 16:32.01 | nevcairiel | we usually just invite what is online in the guild |
| 16:32.06 | nevcairiel | and build groups from there |
| 16:32.27 | Tornhoof | heh back in the day when i wrote wowequipoptimizer i wrote an extension to do it for a raid, just was too slow ;) |
| 16:32.27 | nevcairiel | since every encounter needs different group setups anyway |
| 16:32.29 | nevcairiel | at least today |
| 16:32.38 | cbreak | raid tiredness is epidemic on my server |
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| 16:53.14 | Lunessa | Happy Birthday Seerah! |
| 16:53.27 | Seerah | thanks :) |
| 16:53.38 | nevcairiel | Oh, happy birthday! |
| 16:53.41 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Birthday, other lady of IRC wonder!!!! |
| 16:53.54 | Seerah | hehe - thanks, guys :) was yesterday :) |
| 16:54.03 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Seerah -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 |
| 16:54.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:54.08 | Lopeppeppy | Bah! I must learn to read channel topics in a more timely fashion! |
| 16:54.23 | Seerah | nah, don't worry :) Cairenn put it up there late last night :) |
| 16:54.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, she would! :) |
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| 16:58.31 | Lunessa | Well, happy belated at least! |
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| 17:02.23 | alestane | ...station. |
| 17:02.31 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 17:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, win |
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| 17:10.38 | NeoTron | so word of advice - if you don't have a blizzard authenticator yet, get one |
| 17:11.02 | NeoTron | we just lost our MT (who is an extremely careful and smart guy, highly unlikely to do anything bad) to hacking |
| 17:11.45 | Dashkal | I'd love one. Not available in canada *sighs* |
| 17:11.55 | Cide | blame the lack of an authenticator |
| 17:11.55 | alestane | I'm slightly bothered because my mail program keeps telling me the servers are rejecting ym passwords, with uncommon frequency. |
| 17:12.07 | NeoTron | Cide: he ordered his like 2 days ago |
| 17:12.12 | Cide | and? |
| 17:12.15 | alestane | Any known keyloggers on 10.4? |
| 17:12.30 | NeoTron | Cide: he got one as soon as he could |
| 17:12.51 | NeoTron | the point is, get a fricking authenticator.. if you care the slightest about your account |
| 17:13.17 | Cide | I care about my account, but I wouldn't get one even if I could |
| 17:14.18 | Cide | but it's a good thing it exists |
| 17:14.19 | Jamash | Dashkal: you can get them in canada |
| 17:14.21 | NeoTron | it's rather risky, it seems, to have an unprotected account. He is the guy that has virus/malware programs, firewalls, browse with care and make sure his stuff is updated (like no outdated flash player), has a good completely random password etc |
| 17:14.35 | NeoTron | it sucks. I don't doubt he'll be back but it sucks |
| 17:14.41 | Dashkal | Jamash: the us store says they'll only ship to the continental US. |
| 17:14.52 | Cide | unprotected? |
| 17:15.01 | Dashkal | Whiel I've heard rumours the EU site will ship, 60 dollars shipping for an under 10 dollar gadget is just stupid |
| 17:15.05 | Jamash | Dashkal: There's two pages, one for US and one for the rest of the americas |
| 17:15.05 | NeoTron | Cide: without an authenticato |
| 17:15.10 | Cide | username and password has sufficed for over 3 years for me and everyone I know |
| 17:15.16 | Cide | but that's just me |
| 17:15.18 | Dashkal | Jamash: really *dives on the website* |
| 17:15.34 | NeoTron | Cide: there are a lot of people playing this game. you can haev 10% hacking rate without you or anyone you know being affected |
| 17:15.46 | Cide | you're implying I know few people |
| 17:15.49 | NeoTron | no |
| 17:15.52 | Cide | yes. |
| 17:15.56 | NeoTron | I'm implying you don't know 9 million people |
| 17:15.56 | Jamash | MAYBE |
| 17:16.15 | Cide | a 10% hacking rate would imply it is statistically extremely unlikely for me not to know somebody who got hacked |
| 17:16.19 | NeoTron | I've so far known at least 4 people to be hacked |
| 17:16.29 | Cide | PEBKAC? maybe |
| 17:16.37 | NeoTron | in one case yes |
| 17:16.41 | NeoTron | or two |
| 17:16.43 | Cide | anyway |
| 17:16.46 | NeoTron | in this case absolutely ot |
| 17:16.49 | Cide | it's a good thing, the authenticator |
| 17:17.04 | Dashkal | meh, I'm using the only email I check as my temp account for the beta, but it doesn't work with the store *sighs and wakes up an old addy* |
| 17:17.06 | Cide | but you're advertising it like it's the only way to not get hacked, which simply isn't true |
| 17:17.14 | NeoTron | Cide: it's the only way to be sure |
| 17:17.21 | NeoTron | 100% sure |
| 17:17.27 | Cide | hey now |
| 17:17.30 | Cide | be careful with the 100% |
| 17:17.32 | NeoTron | I'm about 99% sure I'd never be hacked without one |
| 17:17.36 | Dashkal | NeoTron: not even close to 100% |
| 17:17.46 | Dashkal | There are published ways to defeat it |
| 17:17.57 | NeoTron | Dashkal: without physical access ? |
| 17:18.08 | Dashkal | NeoTron: without physical access. |
| 17:18.34 | Dashkal | It's a timing exploit. Really simplified you keylog the code, crash the victim's client, and log in elsewhere during the window |
| 17:18.57 | Jamash | That requires someone to be keylogging you in realtime though |
| 17:19.08 | Dashkal | A bot can manage that :p |
| 17:19.32 | NeoTron | well then I'm 100% sure I'm safe |
| 17:19.41 | NeoTron | becuase I doubt that exists on the mac |
| 17:19.47 | Tornhoof | why not? |
| 17:19.48 | Cide | l o l |
| 17:19.52 | NeoTron | and, frankly, the other 99% comes in there |
| 17:19.56 | NeoTron | I don't install crap |
| 17:20.02 | Dashkal | NeoTron: when you do get hacked, I will have nothing but scorn for you |
| 17:20.12 | NeoTron | Dashkal: I won't be. ever. kthxbye |
| 17:20.12 | Cide | anyway |
| 17:20.16 | NeoTron | I can promise you that |
| 17:20.17 | Dashkal | Your attitude is what leads to getting hacked: overconfidence |
| 17:20.24 | Cide | it's highly unikely that you do get hacked with an authenticator |
| 17:20.29 | Dashkal | Cide: agreed |
| 17:20.32 | Cide | but it's by no means guaranteed |
| 17:20.38 | jaxdahl | correct |
| 17:20.53 | NeoTron | Dashkal: not overconfidence. reality. Show me how I can, without me knowing about it, install a trojan bot on OS X that does that. |
| 17:20.58 | Tornhoof | it can't be guaranteed anyway ;) |
| 17:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Relying on your OS (by what boils down to name and market share only) to keep you secure, you're... missing things |
| 17:21.01 | Dashkal | afaik no such exploit as I described is actually in use. But the more people who use the fob, the more liekly someone will do the work to make it happen |
| 17:21.04 | jaxdahl | hmm, server restart |
| 17:21.10 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: I'm also relying on myself |
| 17:21.23 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: I've never had any trojan or virus on any box, windows or not. ever. |
| 17:21.26 | Tornhoof | no dashkal too complicated ;) |
| 17:21.30 | Cide | haha |
| 17:21.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 13:19 < NeoTron> well then I'm 100% sure I'm safe |
| 17:21.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 13:19 < NeoTron> becuase I doubt that exists on the mac |
| 17:21.31 | Dashkal | NeoTron: then why do you need the fob? |
| 17:21.32 | Cide | yes, you have |
| 17:21.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you missed something of note there :P |
| 17:21.51 | jaxdahl | i do wish you could have a different password for the forums |
| 17:21.52 | Tornhoof | just leave the keylogger running long enough |
| 17:21.59 | Tornhoof | and get the pw for forums etc. |
| 17:22.10 | Tornhoof | then switch off the device in the account control |
| 17:22.23 | Cide | can't do that |
| 17:22.25 | Dashkal | Tornhoof: You can't kill the device without a call to blizzard |
| 17:22.31 | Tornhoof | ah ok |
| 17:22.40 | Jamash | that would be too easy |
| 17:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: you can if you can login to account admin... twice with the authenticator |
| 17:22.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Once to login |
| 17:22.51 | Dashkal | Which does mean if you lose the lil magic fob, you're basically going through the same process as if you got hacked |
| 17:22.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Again to remove the device |
| 17:23.20 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: oh? Nifty. Fortunately the attack I described is piss-poor for managing that |
| 17:23.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. Capped at one via keylogging |
| 17:23.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Just due to the nature of how it all works |
| 17:23.44 | Dashkal | Well, no. Wait for the user to try again and snag a second code |
| 17:23.51 | Cide | <Dashkal> NeoTron: then why do you need the fob? |
| 17:23.51 | Cide | ^ |
| 17:23.54 | Dashkal | I mean to the victim, their client just crashed |
| 17:23.55 | Cide | honestly |
| 17:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 17:23.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Point |
| 17:24.00 | Cide | if you have no chance of getting hacked |
| 17:24.05 | Cide | you don't need the authenticator |
| 17:24.06 | NeoTron | becuase it adds the last point of safety |
| 17:24.20 | NeoTron | obviously you can be hacked without trojans and keyloggers |
| 17:24.25 | Cide | if you do need the authenticator, there's a risk you can still get hacked |
| 17:24.33 | ScytheBlade1 | "note.... to.. self... write a OSX.. keylogger.. for WoW" |
| 17:24.33 | NeoTron | I didn't say there wasn't |
| 17:24.36 | Dashkal | heh, lemme know if you get a proof of concept out :p |
| 17:24.37 | Cide | yes you did |
| 17:24.41 | ScytheBlade1 | "Laugh... madly... at OSX users" |
| 17:24.49 | Cide | <NeoTron> Dashkal: I won't be. ever. kthxbye |
| 17:24.50 | Cide | <NeoTron> I can promise you that |
| 17:24.51 | Tornhoof | well if it has the same fugly internals as that old rsa key (some little device creating prng numbers for otp style auth) there are probably several other attacks |
| 17:24.53 | Dashkal | The attack sounds great on paper. But I lack the knowledge to actually hook all that |
| 17:24.58 | NeoTron | 08:58 < NeoTron> I'm about 99% sure I'd never be hacked without one |
| 17:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: it does... nothing is perfect ;) |
| 17:25.09 | Cide | < NeoTron> well then I'm 100% sure I'm safe |
| 17:25.14 | Jamash | http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Security/logKext.shtml |
| 17:25.30 | NeoTron | Dashkal: that said if Blizzard allow the same code to be used more than once, the system IS broken |
| 17:25.36 | NeoTron | one time passwords should be usable once |
| 17:25.44 | NeoTron | and then locked out for login until the minute changes |
| 17:25.46 | Dashkal | NeoTron: oh absolutely it would be broken. The attack I described avoids that |
| 17:25.49 | NeoTron | or they are, byu design, not secure |
| 17:25.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd still really just like the option to tie one of my smartcards to my account. |
| 17:25.59 | Dashkal | the idea is to keylog the code, then _immediately_ kill the client (so it never gets used) |
| 17:26.00 | NeoTron | Cide: with the authenticator |
| 17:26.07 | Cide | look |
| 17:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd likely be the only person to -ever- use that method of auth but key! |
| 17:26.13 | ScytheBlade1 | *hey! |
| 17:26.13 | Cide | if you're not 100% WITHOUT the authenticator |
| 17:26.17 | Cide | you're not 100% WITH the authenticator |
| 17:26.24 | Cide | however, you're MORE safe |
| 17:26.28 | Cide | since it makes it more difficult |
| 17:26.36 | Cide | however, it doesn't make it impossible, if you're not 100% safe in the first place |
| 17:26.47 | Cide | there's no point arguing anything else |
| 17:26.59 | Tornhoof | hmm according to the faq you don't need to call support for switching off the device |
| 17:27.10 | Cide | read above |
| 17:27.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Tornhoof: yes, you only need to call them if you lose it |
| 17:27.14 | Cide | way to follow the conversation |
| 17:27.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I just went over that |
| 17:27.49 | jaxdahl | dashkal, i'd avoid crashing the client |
| 17:27.49 | Tornhoof | i mean not even two times of auth with the key itself |
| 17:27.51 | jaxdahl | if possible |
| 17:27.53 | Tornhoof | more like nothing |
| 17:28.03 | Cide | I love how wikipedia links to MITM tools when you go to the MITM article |
| 17:28.04 | jaxdahl | i'd make it appear the auth servers are busy/hanging |
| 17:28.12 | jaxdahl | so they sit there and wait |
| 17:28.17 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: that works too |
| 17:28.21 | ScytheBlade1 | actually that's probably a better idea |
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| 17:28.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait for the enter/click |
| 17:28.27 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: the actual goal is simply to block the use of the code |
| 17:28.31 | jaxdahl | yes |
| 17:28.34 | ScytheBlade1 | And hard terminate the connection |
| 17:28.41 | jaxdahl | and prevent them from thinking they got hacked |
| 17:29.24 | NeoTron | regardless my original point is that this hacking of our MT would not have happened if he had the authenticator and regardless of chance of being hacked or not, adding oen makes the hurdle significantly higher. |
| 17:29.27 | Dashkal | jaxdahl: joe user isn't going to be able to tell a crash from a malicious program, but I agree that hanging would be better |
| 17:29.50 | Tornhoof | hmm |
| 17:29.52 | Jamash | If I had an authenticator I'd probably lose it |
| 17:29.54 | Dashkal | Hell, wow crashes enough that I'd probably not notice until it happened more than once |
| 17:30.19 | Tornhoof | if i understand that thingie right, the ususal auth handshake will be done and then you'll need to enter your number |
| 17:30.19 | Jamash | Unless I chained it to my laptop or something |
| 17:30.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That's part of the reason why I don't have one.. I'm reasonably sure that it'd drastically increase the chances of me being locked out of my account :P |
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| 17:32.16 | Tornhoof | anyone knows how long the timeframe is for the same key? |
| 17:32.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Likely under a minute |
| 17:32.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I haven't seen any hard number |
| 17:32.41 | Dashkal | Jamash: That's actually exactly what I intend to do: chain it to my desktop :p |
| 17:33.05 | Dashkal | I'll lose the ability to log in from elsewhere but *shrugs* I'll survive |
| 17:33.32 | Tornhoof | well hook keyboard, hook pw auth (so it does not send anything out at all), show textbox for first key, print error msg "too slow", repeat for second key then |
| 17:34.07 | Dashkal | Tornhoof: that raises the difficulty quite a bit, since you're now fucking with the login UI. |
| 17:34.25 | Tornhoof | dunnn is the ui lua? |
| 17:34.33 | Tornhoof | actually i'm not |
| 17:34.38 | NeoTron | protected somehow |
| 17:34.40 | Tornhoof | i'm just fucknig with the auth reply |
| 17:34.44 | NeoTron | used to be able to modify it |
| 17:34.51 | Dashkal | There, ordered. I'll decide if I actually want to use the thing after it arrives :p (right now live doesn't have much worth protecting -- all my gear is meaningless come xpack) |
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| 17:34.54 | Tornhoof | just as if you would run some priate server |
| 17:35.15 | Dashkal | Tornhoof: oh you mean hijack the connection? That'd work |
| 17:35.18 | Tornhoof | the "good auth"/bad auth communication is fairly simple (xml based afaik) |
| 17:35.21 | Tornhoof | yeh hijack it |
| 17:35.24 | Tornhoof | not completly |
| 17:35.26 | Tornhoof | just a bit |
| 17:35.30 | Tornhoof | runtime winsock hook |
| 17:35.32 | Tornhoof | no biggie |
| 17:35.35 | Dashkal | man-in-the-middle. Easy enough |
| 17:35.38 | Tornhoof | yeh |
| 17:36.01 | Tornhoof | blizzard would never know that the user entered two keys without ever getting a real connection |
| 17:37.08 | Tornhoof | and it's not a keylogger either (depending on how they store pw info on the server) since its just plain auth protocol emulation |
| 17:37.22 | Tornhoof | so most virii scanners won't mind and take it for a fw |
| 17:39.14 | Tornhoof | ah well, back to my popup buttons |
| 17:41.54 | NeoTron | so Razuvious is slightly.. easy in the 10-man naxx :P |
| 17:42.12 | NeoTron | not that it's a bad thing for the place in progression but it was kind of funny |
| 17:42.24 | zenzelezz | do you still need to MC his pals? |
| 17:42.39 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 17:42.41 | NeoTron | but not witha priest |
| 17:42.52 | NeoTron | you use a crystal |
| 17:43.14 | NeoTron | but the duration of the MC is like 1.5m and the cooldown on the debuff (which is on the player now, not the mob) 1m |
| 17:43.26 | NeoTron | so you have 30s to drop and immediately pick up aggro. two adds |
| 17:43.38 | NeoTron | just taunt + shieldwall and then rotate every 20s |
| 17:43.56 | NeoTron | seemed too like the mobs got healed to full when you released control on them |
| 17:49.23 | Seerah | http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/09/dayintech_0919?npu=1&mbid=yhp |
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| 17:50.59 | Tem | LFM Amphitheater of Anguish (northrend alliance) |
| 17:52.55 | Nom- | I would if the game wouldn't crash every 5 seconds :P |
| 17:53.56 | NeoTron | Tem: oh yeah I need to do that. where IS that anyway/ |
| 17:54.08 | NeoTron | (no I can't nod since I'm at work) |
| 17:54.14 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, probably old but |
| 17:54.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=xx-pirate |
| 17:55.56 | NeoTron | weird thing happened last night - I didn't see any chat channels (say, yell, party, raid) in my chat windows. |
| 17:56.10 | NeoTron | I used, but disabled chatter, tried to reset chat settings and created a new tab as well |
| 17:56.14 | NeoTron | without success. |
| 17:58.10 | Dashkal | Oh yeah, almost forgot.... Yarr |
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| 17:59.21 | Tentacled | avast. |
| 18:00.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yaar |
| 18:00.37 | Seerah | "boobtastic potholders" http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/multimedia/2008/09/gallery_emoticon?slide=12&slideView=2 |
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| 18:02.17 | Dashkal | hrm, tempted to level my druid to 80 before the DK so I can nab some heirloom resi items for him... |
| 18:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | How do you pick those up btw? |
| 18:02.40 | ScytheBlade1 | The heirloom items? |
| 18:03.10 | nevcairiel | for the new heroic badges |
| 18:03.12 | Dashkal | badges from (either/or/both?) raiding and pvp |
| 18:03.18 | Syzgyn | The 25 man badges I believe |
| 18:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 18:03.22 | Dashkal | some of them look like pvp items |
| 18:03.29 | nevcairiel | i thought the 10man badges |
| 18:03.31 | nevcairiel | but not sure |
| 18:03.45 | Syzgyn | alot of em have resil, yea |
| 18:03.49 | Dashkal | Inherited Insignia of the <faction> for example. |
| 18:03.56 | Dashkal | Sounds like something you'd pay for with honor |
| 18:04.05 | Syzgyn | 5min CD though |
| 18:04.23 | Dashkal | Not bad while leveling. If you want the good one, twink |
| 18:04.43 | Syzgyn | They're not meant for twinks :P |
| 18:05.34 | Jamash | I hear their stats improve on levels divisible by 10 |
| 18:05.54 | smcn | yar |
| 18:06.02 | Dashkal | no no no, what I mean is the 5m is fine for a leveling char, and if you really really want the 2 minute one, twink and get it that way (the honor req is just to high for a sub-80 otherwise) |
| 18:06.21 | Dashkal | Avast! |
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| 18:07.46 | Syzgyn | ah, agreed |
| 18:07.51 | Jamash | the 2 minute one requires level 70, no? |
| 18:07.57 | Dashkal | It might at that |
| 18:08.02 | Dashkal | Never looked :p |
| 18:08.31 | Syzgyn | Yeap, it does |
| 18:08.37 | Dashkal | This item nothing short of confuses me, though: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=44115 |
| 18:08.45 | Dashkal | Why would they make honor transferrable? O.o |
| 18:08.53 | Syzgyn | Wow, human twinks are gonna have a nice advantage with the new racials |
| 18:08.56 | Jamash | woah |
| 18:09.10 | cbreak | advantage? |
| 18:09.17 | cbreak | it doesn't help leveling faster :/ |
| 18:09.21 | Syzgyn | 2 min trinket against everyone elses 5 |
| 18:09.21 | foxlit | The Human Supremacy, tbh |
| 18:09.22 | Dashkal | It's limited I'll grant you (since I imagine you have to actually win at wintergrasp to get it) but meh |
| 18:09.23 | foxlit | nerf! |
| 18:09.35 | cbreak | it's a pvp racial |
| 18:09.44 | Syzgyn | thats why I said human twinks |
| 18:09.49 | Dashkal | human supremacy looks quite a bit stronger than old perception... |
| 18:10.18 | Syzgyn | I dunno |
| 18:10.22 | cbreak | all other races can get the same as real trinket |
| 18:10.28 | Syzgyn | old Perception was quite amazing |
| 18:10.40 | cbreak | it saves the expenses and the trinket slot, that's it |
| 18:10.55 | Syzgyn | one trinket slot is alot |
| 18:11.32 | NeoTron | one trinket slot that is also 85 resilience or something |
| 18:11.38 | NeoTron | so hardly one wasted trinket slot |
| 18:12.16 | Syzgyn | Assuming it will be just as easy to hit the soft resil cap, I dont think anyone will miss it |
| 18:12.24 | Dashkal | The thing is human supremacy gives you _any_ trinket as your racial |
| 18:12.53 | Syzgyn | Arms war running around with a battlemasters trinket AND DST... mmm |
| 18:13.00 | Dashkal | while there are racials equal to trinkets for sure, they aren't equal to the _best_ trinket... |
| 18:13.07 | Syzgyn | Right |
| 18:13.19 | Syzgyn | they pretty much made it the best scaling racial, by far, forever |
| 18:13.26 | Dashkal | *nods* exactly |
| 18:13.36 | Dashkal | so *sighs* nerf please :( |
| 18:13.45 | Syzgyn | No nerfs! |
| 18:13.58 | Dashkal | Oh yes. Get it done now so they don't have to knee-jerk come live |
| 18:14.08 | Syzgyn | s/!/ without getting old perception back!/ |
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| 18:14.51 | Dashkal | heh |
| 18:15.02 | Dashkal | Old perception was very much broken. Human rogues hit first. Period |
| 18:15.18 | Syzgyn | ^^ |
| 18:15.20 | cbreak | broken? |
| 18:15.23 | cbreak | more like worthless |
| 18:15.23 | Syzgyn | And I was ok with that |
| 18:15.25 | Syzgyn | ... |
| 18:15.27 | Dashkal | Worthless? |
| 18:15.29 | Dashkal | dude... |
| 18:15.39 | Dashkal | The opener is everything to a rogue |
| 18:15.40 | cbreak | just spamming arcane explosion worked better |
| 18:15.57 | Dashkal | That's gone now... |
| 18:16.05 | Syzgyn | cbreak: what it ended up meaning was that at 2200+ arena teams, humans > * |
| 18:16.06 | cbreak | yeah, unfortunately |
| 18:16.08 | Dashkal | But it was more broken for a human rogue than other classes. |
| 18:16.10 | cbreak | but so is perception |
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| 18:16.50 | Dashkal | Much as I liked the advantage, it was broken in that it was too powerful when the stars lined up right, and it did make a difference. |
| 18:17.04 | Dashkal | human rogue vs enemy rogue/druid == human rogue opens |
| 18:17.23 | Dashkal | human anything vs enemy rogue druid == enemy is not in stealth to open |
| 18:17.31 | Syzgyn | == human rogue gets a much better chance of winning |
| 18:17.36 | Dashkal | exactly |
| 18:17.56 | Dashkal | Good as WotF is, perception is far better in the arena. |
| 18:18.26 | cbreak | so, rogues are only 10% of the classes |
| 18:18.41 | cbreak | perception is not good in arenas |
| 18:18.46 | cbreak | apparently unless you are a rogue |
| 18:18.47 | Syzgyn | not 10% of arena teams though |
| 18:18.50 | Dashkal | cbreak: their math says otherwise |
| 18:19.07 | Dashkal | perception was a consistent increase in personal raiting |
| 18:19.17 | Dashkal | And they have far better numbers than we do |
| 18:19.21 | Syzgyn | I love perception as a warrior |
| 18:19.44 | Dashkal | I'm gonna love the poor-man's vanish on my druid :p |
| 18:20.04 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 18:20.23 | Dashkal | I get the feeling that that power will be a lil broken on druids and rogues... |
| 18:20.53 | Dashkal | well, rogues. it'll prolly unshift a cat |
| 18:21.40 | Syzgyn | I dont think so |
| 18:21.52 | Syzgyn | I'm more glad it puts shadowmeld on a 3min CD |
| 18:21.57 | Syzgyn | freaking druids |
| 18:22.58 | Dashkal | hrm, I just realized cups has a complete log of everything I printed... |
| 18:23.33 | Dashkal | shadowmeld on the 3m cooldown doesn't hurt rogues or druids. Does affect hunters, priests, and warriors. |
| 18:23.36 | Tornhoof | hmm what was the option to show the errors causing "Interface action failed because of addon"? |
| 18:23.44 | Dashkal | shadowmeld/charge was a nifty trick |
| 18:24.21 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.05 | Tornhoof | thanks, apparently something changed in the new ptr build which causes that error ;) |
| 18:26.50 | Syzgyn | It hurts druids |
| 18:26.57 | Tornhoof | ah ok it's not the new build |
| 18:27.01 | Tornhoof | it's the cooldown frame |
| 18:27.07 | Syzgyn | no more shadowmeld/drink |
| 18:27.15 | Tornhoof | what's the recommended way to do cooldown info on buttons now? |
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| 18:27.44 | Tornhoof | apparently it does not like button.Cooldown = CreateFrame("Cooldown", name.."Cooldown",button,"CooldownFrameTemplate, SecureFrameTemplate") |
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| 18:28.09 | foxlit | "it does not like"? |
| 18:28.21 | Tornhoof | as in works, but throws tainted errors |
| 18:28.22 | alestane | Why are you trying to make a protected Cooldown? |
| 18:29.15 | Tornhoof | if i don't use secureframetemplate i get "invalid value type "userdata"" instantly |
| 18:29.42 | foxlit | That's not a very good approach to writing code |
| 18:30.01 | alestane | Where do you get that? |
| 18:30.12 | Tornhoof | as soon as i mouseover my buttons |
| 18:30.45 | foxlit | What causes _that_ error? |
| 18:31.28 | Tornhoof | hmm restrictedexecution.lua |
| 18:31.31 | Tornhoof | as usual ;) |
| 18:31.43 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: it'll hurt boomkins, but not ferals :p |
| 18:31.56 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: ferals will be at constantly full mana. no more drinking :p |
| 18:32.07 | Tornhoof | and i think that's correct (that error), I'm trying to show secure buttons in a secure handler, but the button has an unsecure frame |
| 18:33.06 | alestane | Tornhoof: If you need to affect insecure children or regions from a snippet, use control:CallMethod. |
| 18:33.22 | Tornhoof | i don't affect them from a snippet |
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| 18:34.16 | Tornhoof | the cooldown code is the same as in actionbuttons.lua : self:RegisterEvent("SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN", "BarUpdateHandler") -> CooldownFrame_SetTimer(v.Cooldown, start, duration, enable); |
| 18:34.32 | alestane | Donnez-moi du ordinations, then |
| 18:35.02 | Kraps | how do you open a range of ports with windows firewall? |
| 18:35.19 | Tornhoof | hmm alestane? |
| 18:35.23 | alestane | Kraps: AFAIK you type them all in. |
| 18:35.51 | Kraps | separate exceptions? |
| 18:36.03 | alestane | I won't be able to track it down any further without code, or at least the error that it's throwing. |
| 18:36.34 | Tornhoof | lemme copy that together |
| 18:36.49 | Kraps | say 6881 through 6999 |
| 18:37.14 | Kraps | how would i do that in one shot? |
| 18:38.19 | alestane | Not a Windows expert I'm afraid; I just seem to remember trying to do it once and finding tere was really no easy way. |
| 18:38.23 | Dashkal | I don't think windows firewall can manage that one... Mind you, doesn't that firewall have a known exploit in it? |
| 18:38.52 | Dashkal | There are some other free software firewalls (ZoneAlarm personal comes to mind) |
| 18:39.17 | Tornhoof | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96414 for the buttons and http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96415 for the bar creation code (including the cooldown handler) but that applies to one button too, gonna write a short one file example |
| 18:40.04 | Kraps | windows firewall has served me well so far |
| 18:40.19 | Kraps | at least 5 years |
| 18:40.24 | Dashkal | Except now, obviously :p |
| 18:40.31 | Kraps | lol |
| 18:41.37 | Kraps | trying to speed up wow-2.3.0.7561-en us |
| 18:42.02 | Kraps | (wow i really typed that...) |
| 18:42.25 | Dashkal | Kraps: http://forums.techarena.in/server-networking/890789.htm |
| 18:42.28 | Dashkal | that might help |
| 18:42.40 | Dashkal | You'll be clicking OK quite a bit... |
| 18:44.38 | Kraps | meh, cmd scares me |
| 18:45.21 | Dashkal | I'd suggest replacing the firewall then :p |
| 18:46.03 | Kraps | idk |
| 18:46.07 | Dashkal | I don't use it myself (I have a hardware firewall/router) but ZoneAlarm personal is reasonable enough to use. |
| 18:46.34 | Tornhoof | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96417 creates an example button and tries to set the cooldown, as soon as you mouseover it throws that error above |
| 18:55.17 | Kraps | is 2 or more antispyware apps bad? |
| 18:55.52 | Dashkal | Kraps: nope. overlap is generally good. |
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| 18:56.03 | Kraps | ok |
| 18:57.15 | Dashkal | The worst thing you could get is having two antispywre agents fighting with each other. If that actually happens, just turn one of the agents off. |
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| 18:58.17 | Dashkal | Note that I've never seen that actually happen. |
| 18:58.19 | Neuro_Medivh | avast, me hearties! How be ye on this fine day o' the buccaneers? |
| 19:01.22 | Dashkal | If I could actually formulate a sentence like that, I might have a response :p |
| 19:03.19 | Kraps | Dashkal: this might help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTetAXKqBow |
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| 19:04.02 | Fisker- | Added: October 25, 2007 |
| 19:04.03 | Fisker- | fuck you |
| 19:04.04 | Neuro_Medivh | I prefer this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqMu6e5Dgtg |
| 19:04.06 | Shirik|Ecole | rawr |
| 19:04.11 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:05.19 | Dashkal | Kraps: that's actually pretty damn useful, danke. |
| 19:05.21 | Fisker- | rawr |
| 19:05.26 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:05.54 | Kraps | Dashkal: nisht a problem |
| 19:06.54 | NeoTron | so the instance to kill Malygos, aspect of magic, is the 2nd tier? |
| 19:06.58 | Shirik|Ecole | I think I'm evil |
| 19:07.08 | Shirik|Ecole | I turn on the TV, DJIA is up 350 |
| 19:07.15 | Shirik|Ecole | Since then, I've been watching for about 3 minutes |
| 19:07.17 | Shirik|Ecole | and it's now +310 |
| 19:07.23 | Shirik|Ecole | 308 |
| 19:07.37 | Shirik|Ecole | 307... |
| 19:07.51 | Shirik|Ecole | it continues to fall |
| 19:07.54 | Shirik|Ecole | :( I'm sorry |
| 19:08.02 | NeoTron | so patch before weekend is over (hopefully): http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/10043217874-100-people-stuck-in-ebon-hold-for-over-20hrs.html |
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| 19:08.44 | Shirik|Ecole | 279 :( |
| 19:09.00 | Shirik|Ecole | I'll go watch some cartoons or something |
| 19:09.18 | zenzelezz | so... they're being *held* in an *ebon hold* |
| 19:12.26 | Dashkal | So very glad I went and did that quest during the crushing lag when it was first opened... |
| 19:12.32 | Dashkal | At least it worked |
| 19:13.02 | zenzelezz | peppy: I'm glad someone did... and not just anyone ;-o |
| 19:13.20 | Lopeppeppy | Sick twisted sense of humor, I has one. |
| 19:13.32 | zenzelezz | that makes two of us |
| 19:14.51 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you're taller than I am. |
| 19:15.36 | Shirik|Ecole | doesn't stop me from cowering |
| 19:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I'm sorry! *comfort* |
| 19:16.06 | Neuro_Medivh | peppy, that just means you're closer to the vulnerable areas |
| 19:16.08 | Shirik|Ecole | :) |
| 19:16.13 | Shirik|Ecole | ! |
| 19:16.16 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 19:16.28 | Lopeppeppy | I have a twisted sense of humor, that /= mean! |
| 19:16.45 | Shirik|Ecole | I don't think that can be counted as "mean" |
| 19:16.52 | Shirik|Ecole | that's cruel and unusual punishment |
| 19:17.28 | Neuro_Medivh | I always wondered about that... does that mean it's ok if the punishment is cruel, but not unusual? |
| 19:17.42 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think they are exclusive that way, Neuro_Medivh. |
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| 19:18.12 | alestane | I can just see a professional scourge wrestler whose finishing move is "The Ebon Hold." |
| 19:18.23 | Shirik|Ecole | must go teach lab now |
| 19:18.24 | Shirik|Ecole | pz! |
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| 19:33.26 | NeoTron | Dashkal: I discovered to my dismay that my premade DK had to do the quest... and was unable to |
| 19:33.37 | Dashkal | NeoTron: oh lovely! |
| 19:33.37 | NeoTron | so I had to go to naxx on my premade lock instead |
| 19:36.02 | Fisker- | why so premades? |
| 19:36.18 | NeoTron | because no one in the guild is 80 on the non-premade server |
| 19:36.24 | NeoTron | I'm leading at 77 |
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| 20:01.35 | foxlit | so, clearly, guild fails |
| 20:05.37 | NeoTron | foxlit: or a majority of the people got in in the latest round and haven't had much opportunity to play at all, or even less so while the servers weren's slow as molasses |
| 20:06.01 | NeoTron | in addition to 16hr / week raiding |
| 20:06.16 | nevcairiel | clearly guild fails for not getting in sooner |
| 20:06.22 | foxlit | I'm with nev |
| 20:06.35 | nevcairiel | at least we got 3 80s! |
| 20:07.21 | nevcairiel | I wonder if blizz can keep their promise to provide the next patch over the weekend already |
| 20:08.00 | NeoTron | more like a wish rather than a promise |
| 20:08.21 | nevcairiel | heh, well their wording was "we hope to .." |
| 20:10.32 | Fisker- | does the brewfest start at midnight servertime btw? |
| 20:10.38 | Fisker- | or is there a setup time? |
| 20:11.29 | Lopeppeppy | Brewfest? Drunken revelry? |
| 20:11.55 | Tornhoof | the real deal is opening tomorrow in munich |
| 20:12.12 | Fisker- | yeah but germans are crazy |
| 20:12.15 | Fisker- | and i hate you now Tornhoof |
| 20:12.34 | foxlit | "ShapeshiftBarFrame.Show = ShapeshiftBar.Hide" |
| 20:12.39 | Fisker- | Though i should hate blizzard for failing me yet again |
| 20:13.25 | Lonny | The UI forum is being filled with a keylogger posts :) |
| 20:13.39 | foxlit | They're still stupid |
| 20:13.52 | Lopeppeppy | Biohazard 'em up, Lonny! Yaar, keelhaul the scurvy dogs and stuff! |
| 20:14.21 | foxlit | If I were evil, I'd spider the forums, copy legitimate posts with links, replace links, score accounts. |
| 20:14.52 | foxlit | If you've got multiple accounts, throw replies by controlled accounts, too |
| 20:17.36 | Lonny | I don't have a US account so you might want to report Zigi :P |
| 20:18.30 | alestane | foxlit: If you're trying to make sure a bar doesn't come back, there's no surer way. |
| 20:19.04 | foxlit | alestane: wrong and riddled with side-effects :) |
| 20:19.27 | foxlit | If you wanted to get rid of it, :SetParent(CreateFrame("Frame")) would do the trick |
| 20:19.31 | foxlit | There's no reason to taint Show |
| 20:20.41 | alestane | Well, it's true that there are complications when the frame is associated with UIManageFramePositions, although that can also be corrected. |
| 20:21.06 | Fisker- | btw |
| 20:21.20 | Fisker- | in retrospect it's nice that i did the brewfest ram quest last year :D |
| 20:21.24 | alestane | Or some people like :SetScript("OnShow", self.Hide). |
| 20:21.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: indeed. |
| 20:21.35 | foxlit | which wouldn't work because the thing is protected. |
| 20:21.39 | Fisker- | almost refused because they improperly deactivated the dark iron event |
| 20:21.47 | Fisker- | (before our realms were brought up :() |
| 20:21.59 | |pez| | oh, did Brewfest start today? |
| 20:22.04 | NightHawkTheSane | tomorrow |
| 20:22.08 | |pez| | okok |
| 20:22.49 | alestane | I'm not as fond of that one myself; it seems clunky and as you say may not work, but it at least doesn't taint. |
| 20:23.04 | foxlit | Your :Unregister is also futile |
| 20:23.38 | alestane | Depends when it's executed. |
| 20:23.45 | foxlit | No, not really. |
| 20:24.01 | foxlit | There's another frame that can and will attempt to show the shapeshift bar. |
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| 20:24.55 | alestane | Hence blocking the execution of :Show(), whatever you think of my method. The solution in question is fairly generic and not tailored to the particulars of any one bar. |
| 20:25.22 | foxlit | So why bother with all the other stuff if you're just going to taint show? |
| 20:25.29 | kamdis | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.31 | alestane | Processing time. |
| 20:25.49 | alestane | Unregister the events and stop wasting time on the scripts. |
| 20:26.19 | foxlit | That's great and extremely minor at the same time :) |
| 20:26.29 | foxlit | For bonus points, you broke the possess bar :) |
| 20:26.37 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: yeah, give the mods a moment and they'll abuse their user nuke function. |
| 20:26.58 | alestane | I can see how that might happen. |
| 20:26.59 | foxlit | PossessBar_OnEvent -> PossessBar_Update -> ShapeshiftBarFrame:Show() -> tainted execution path -> PossessBar_UpdateState() |
| 20:27.37 | foxlit | Someone might want to do something about the shapeshiftbarframe being more self-contained :) |
| 20:27.42 | alestane | Not my fault they handled code for another frame before finishing their own. |
| 20:28.34 | alestane | But I agree that parenting it off a hidden frame is probably a "cleaner" way of preventing it from reappearing. |
| 20:28.57 | Lonny | Tekkub are you there ? I read your post regarding the "InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToFrame", I think they changed it to "InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory" but I'm still getting the same errors |
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| 20:29.36 | Tekkub | yes, they did, and it works for me |
| 20:29.49 | alestane | We should establish a convention: "UIJunkyard" or something like that. |
| 20:29.56 | Tekkub | like I said I have fixes for the first two bugs, I just want confirmation that it's an intended change |
| 20:29.57 | Lonny | ahh weird :/ |
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| 20:35.19 | alestane | Tekkub: What did you say changed? Parenting and Anchoring? |
| 20:35.57 | Tekkub | just parenting, and I think the code's still in there it's just not getting called for addon panels |
| 20:36.35 | alestane | Huh. Can you identify the code path in question? |
| 20:37.48 | Tekkub | frankly, I don't want to delve back into that code |
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| 20:42.29 | Lonny | The almighty Zigi is doing outstanding job flooding the forum with useless posts, life is bad apparently. |
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| 20:44.05 | NightHawkTheSane | man, i <3 LaTeX |
| 20:44.12 | Lonny | Anyway, Tekkub, I just read and it seems like a bug |
| 20:47.07 | Tekkub | whee, looks like I do get to fix all my addons |
| 20:47.13 | Tekkub | bastards |
| 20:47.24 | NeoTron | this change is intentional/ |
| 20:47.25 | NeoTron | ? |
| 20:47.39 | Tekkub | the function rename was |
| 20:47.43 | Lonny | yup |
| 20:47.44 | Tekkub | the parenting wasn't |
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| 20:48.03 | Tornhoof | hmm control:CallMethod(...) what functions should that one be able to call, if i do something like control:CallMethod(Yata:Update()) i get attempt to index Yata, a nil value |
| 20:48.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: got a link to what changes are necessary? |
| 20:48.24 | NightHawkTheSane | or is it just that one method chnage you mentioned above? |
| 20:48.29 | Tekkub | We also renamed InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToFrame to InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory |
| 20:48.41 | Tekkub | that should be the only one unless I'm understanding him wrong |
| 20:49.14 | Tekkub | if I'm making that change across the board, I'll probably just change the parent as well |
| 20:49.17 | alestane | Tornhoof: control:CallMethod("Update"), I believe. |
| 20:49.23 | Tekkub | I've tested the parent change on live and it's fine |
| 20:49.52 | Tornhoof | nope neither alestane |
| 20:50.46 | NightHawkTheSane | parent change? |
| 20:51.04 | Lonny | Yup I've done the same, it appears only in the beta, I've reported on it on the eu general forum, but who reads it :) |
| 20:51.20 | Lonny | reported it* |
| 20:52.05 | alestane | Tornhoof: Update must be a field on the table whose snippet is being called. |
| 20:53.44 | Tornhoof | yes thanks |
| 20:53.56 | Tornhoof | i managed to get around my cooldown problem |
| 20:54.24 | alestane | Not in a position to test it afraid; I have a lengthy backup run, or I would have tried to help more. |
| 20:54.32 | Tornhoof | no that still does not work |
| 20:54.41 | Tornhoof | still getting userdata errors ;/ |
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| 20:56.28 | alestane | Do you have the full text of the error somewhere? |
| 20:58.34 | Tornhoof | is there any way to log the frame xml errors to any log file, without having to install buggrabber? |
| 20:59.24 | Lonny | Tornhoof: I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve but shouldn't that be something like "local function foo() Yata:Update() end" control:CallMethod(foo) ? |
| 20:59.35 | Tornhoof | yes |
| 20:59.37 | Tornhoof | that does work |
| 20:59.47 | Tornhoof | but it still needs a secure cooldown frame ;) |
| 21:00.16 | Lonny | ahh :D |
| 21:03.19 | Tornhoof | anyway: http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errormsgdl9.png dunno how to copy paste the errors without buggrabber and stuff |
| 21:04.10 | Tornhoof | that happens on a cooldownframe_settimer call to non protected cooldown frame |
| 21:04.27 | Tornhoof | if i protect it with secureactionframes the addon is tainted |
| 21:05.46 | foxlit | Is corresponding code up somewhere? |
| 21:06.29 | Tornhoof | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96414 and http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96417 |
| 21:09.18 | foxlit | so if the RE lua code hasn't changes since the ages ago I extracted it, you're having issues with the values you're trying to stuff into a restricted table |
| 21:10.06 | Tornhoof | well i'm creating a non secure frame in a secure frame (or its table, whatever) |
| 21:10.16 | Tornhoof | and trying to call hide()/show() on the secure frame |
| 21:10.28 | Tornhoof | i don't think it's wrong that it borks with that error tbh |
| 21:10.46 | Tornhoof | since i'm trying to do stuff to unsecure frames in a restricted environment |
| 21:10.46 | foxlit | it crashes when you move your mouse into the control button? |
| 21:10.53 | foxlit | by crashes I mean errors, of course |
| 21:10.53 | Tornhoof | yes |
| 21:11.13 | foxlit | it's buttons = self:GetChildList(table.new()) |
| 21:11.31 | Tornhoof | i know |
| 21:11.34 | Tornhoof | that's correct |
| 21:11.50 | foxlit | children have to be explicitly protected for that to work |
| 21:12.12 | foxlit | (but I'd whine at the people designing this, honestly) |
| 21:13.27 | foxlit | Proxy it, I guess |
| 21:13.49 | zenzelezz | when Naxxramas packs up and leaves to Northrend, will the NPCs at LHC that came with it go too? |
| 21:13.49 | foxlit | Create a single explicitly protected child with setAllPoints, move all unprotected children to it |
| 21:13.59 | foxlit | zenzelezz: no |
| 21:14.10 | foxlit | Or at least they're still around on beta |
| 21:14.25 | foxlit | so they'll be both at Light's Hope and Zul'Something |
| 21:14.53 | zenzelezz | isn't Zul'... a troll name? |
| 21:15.09 | End | Zul'Drak |
| 21:15.10 | foxlit | yes |
| 21:15.11 | End | the zone |
| 21:15.31 | foxlit | There's just so many Zul's I can't remember which one is which at the moment |
| 21:15.33 | zenzelezz | interesting, I'd have expected it to be in a more scourgeishly named place |
| 21:15.41 | End | it's troll land |
| 21:15.45 | End | with trolls and scourge |
| 21:15.52 | End | and the argent dawn caught in between |
| 21:15.54 | foxlit | it has two necropolii floating around :) |
| 21:16.00 | End | and one crashed |
| 21:16.07 | End | I wouldn't want to be a troll god |
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| 21:18.43 | Tornhoof | thanks foxlit, i changed it so i just hide() show() that explicit frame i want to |
| 21:18.56 | Tornhoof | self:GetFrameRef("header"):Hide() etc. |
| 21:19.24 | foxlit | So what's "header"? :) |
| 21:19.39 | Tornhoof | Yata:CreateElementHeader(id, parent) |
| 21:19.44 | Tornhoof | the whole code is awful |
| 21:19.48 | Tornhoof | we have a control button |
| 21:20.07 | Tornhoof | if mouse over it shows that frame, which is parent to other buttons (popup) |
| 21:20.47 | Tornhoof | if we then mouse_enter into the "header" frame it will still show these buttons and on leave it will hide the frame and the buttons |
| 21:21.04 | Tornhoof | complicated code to get a popup button system working ;) |
| 21:21.24 | foxlit | It shouldn't really be that evil :/ |
| 21:21.34 | Tornhoof | it apparently is |
| 21:21.40 | foxlit | It's just GetChildList that's... bad. |
| 21:22.05 | Tornhoof | ya thats removed now |
| 21:22.19 | Tornhoof | and only there where multiple childrens are really used (e.g. the popup buttons) |
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| 21:44.23 | Fisker- | Anyone remember one of the sites that showed good brewfest routes for the keg run? |
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| 21:45.54 | foxlit | you need good routes? |
| 21:46.06 | foxlit | apples -> apples -> apples |
| 21:46.09 | Fisker- | year since i did them before :D |
| 21:46.19 | Fisker- | o rly foxlit ? |
| 21:46.26 | foxlit | no u, Fisker-. |
| 21:46.29 | Fisker- | you're very observant |
| 21:47.28 | Fisker- | though it probably doesn't matter now since you can just do the DI event each half an hour |
| 21:47.58 | Fisker- | why get ~40 tickets each day when you can get atleast 25 each hour? |
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| 21:55.23 | Arrowmaster | i macroed that when it was still working last year and i fucking swear i got like 50 in one hour |
| 21:55.44 | Arrowmaster | but people on my server are stupid anyway |
| 21:57.36 | NeoTron | waht's new about it? |
| 21:57.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno how 'new' it is |
| 21:58.06 | NightHawkTheSane | but it only activates off crits from disease-causing abilities now |
| 21:58.14 | NightHawkTheSane | (so, it & ps) |
| 21:58.16 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 21:58.26 | NeoTron | that's quite a nerf unless they increased the chance for it to activate |
| 21:58.43 | NightHawkTheSane | "increased the chance for it to activate"? huh? |
| 21:59.22 | NeoTron | err. 100% right? :P |
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| 21:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, it's always been a 100% chance to activate whenever the trigger condition was met :p |
| 21:59.49 | NightHawkTheSane | but some time ago it was "white crits" now its "it/ps crits" |
| 22:01.24 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, its a nerf. :\ and one that -distinctly- favors 2h weapons |
| 22:03.49 | NeoTron | that's fine |
| 22:04.04 | NeoTron | I was surprised that DK's could dual wield when I frst played one |
| 22:04.08 | NeoTron | found that unnecessary |
| 22:04.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i like the idea that they could do either, but neither was distinctly optimal |
| 22:04.43 | NightHawkTheSane | it was a nice approach, compared to.. everything else |
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| 22:05.14 | foxlit | meh, wouldn't actually mind 2x1handers |
| 22:05.37 | foxlit | Problem is, they locked 1h swords with a weaponsmithing requirement in wotlk |
| 22:05.53 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: eh? |
| 22:05.59 | foxlit | Blacksmithing. |
| 22:06.10 | foxlit | Mostly axe/mace recipes. |
| 22:06.13 | NightHawkTheSane | also, as an aside, that change makes vicious strikes a much more valuable talent.. hmm |
| 22:15.23 | Fisker- | ah bugger |
| 22:15.36 | Fisker- | they massively changed the horde keg run |
| 22:16.43 | Arrowmaster | they did? |
| 22:16.45 | Jamash | is it up yet? |
| 22:16.46 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 22:16.54 | Arrowmaster | how changed? |
| 22:17.25 | Fisker- | doing a run |
| 22:18.00 | Fisker- | you can JUST do it |
| 22:22.06 | Fisker- | argh lag |
| 22:24.57 | Fisker- | anyways they have moved the apple keg left of the turnin so you have to ride farther to get it |
| 22:25.02 | Fisker- | also they have removed another one |
| 22:25.22 | Fisker- | but luckily you can still (just) get it without taking the apples where you get the keg |
| 22:25.40 | Fisker- | so it's still doable with only doing the apples in the start and the middle |
| 22:28.27 | foxlit | Did I mention I had an awesome addon for those runs? |
| 22:28.32 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 22:28.36 | Fisker- | no u foxlit |
| 22:29.00 | foxlit | It'd measure your reins spam, tell you how long it'd take before you'll drop to a lower speed, and predict if you can hit the next apple checkpoint before you're exhausted |
| 22:29.00 | Fisker- | there's no voucher for the new mount |
| 22:29.19 | foxlit | And since the whole thing is out of combat, the addon can practically play the thing for you. |
| 22:30.43 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: you need to make that work, and give it to me. :p |
| 22:33.27 | foxlit | Worked a year ago :) |
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| 22:35.41 | Mike-N-Go | Would anyone know of an IRC room where I could ask legal questions about patents, intellectual property, copyright, etc? |
| 22:36.48 | Fisker- | haha |
| 22:36.51 | Fisker- | fucking well played |
| 22:37.11 | Fisker- | some alliance took out the flight master in grom'gol so we can't take the flight to badlands/searing gorge |
| 22:38.21 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.go-hero.net/temp/ram |
| 22:38.40 | foxlit | You might have to fix the bearing stuff and find your own copy implementation of EC_Register :) |
| 22:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, i can -probably- figure it out.. |
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| 22:42.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, you know, tidal mastery just isn't nearly as compelling for resto anymore. |
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| 22:54.38 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: damn you for getting me to login to wow, brewfest isnt up yet |
| 22:54.50 | Lopeppeppy | Brewfest is tomorrow. |
| 22:54.56 | Lopeppeppy | Or so I hears. |
| 22:55.20 | kd3 | it's up in the oceanic servers |
| 22:55.23 | kd3 | those damn aussies |
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| 22:56.15 | Icecoldcoke | Hello world |
| 22:56.24 | Arrowmaster | i hate my server |
| 22:57.57 | Dewin | I hate one of my servers, it crashes all the time. But that's why it's the PTarrggh |
| 22:58.18 | Arrowmaster | http://pastey.net/96427 |
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| 22:58.58 | Arrowmaster | oh theres |Jelly|, should probably relink it.... http://pastey.net/96427 |
| 22:59.14 | |Jelly| | errm |
| 22:59.17 | Arrowmaster | reasons why i hate our server |
| 22:59.33 | |Jelly| | *sigh* Yes. |
| 23:00.23 | bleeter | kd3: hey, ease up... it's the only real compo we get |
| 23:00.33 | bleeter | compo for having to put up with seppos, that is :P |
| 23:01.52 | Fisker- | and europeans |
| 23:01.54 | Fisker- | l2dates Arrowmaster |
| 23:01.57 | Fisker- | stupid american etc. |
| 23:02.57 | Arrowmaster | so it really opened up at midnight server time for you? |
| 23:03.18 | Arrowmaster | i thought all of blizzards events started at like 4am |
| 23:03.44 | bleeter | dunno about midnight, logged in about 2AM... noticed it some time later |
| 23:03.58 | bleeter | had been slumming around thousand needles so prolly wouldn't have noticed it |
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| 23:14.18 | Fisker- | q so kd3 |
| 23:14.21 | Fisker- | so kd3* |
| 23:14.22 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;?topicId=9336870406&sid=1 |
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| 23:16.18 | kd3 | rofl |
| 23:16.47 | Fisker- | shouldn't have been locked |
| 23:16.49 | Fisker- | for epic lulz |
| 23:18.29 | TecnoBrat | lol |
| 23:18.37 | TecnoBrat | I had to click the "how did I do?" |
| 23:18.39 | TecnoBrat | survey lin |
| 23:18.43 | TecnoBrat | link* |
| 23:18.46 | TecnoBrat | and give him full points. |
| 23:18.54 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent, TecnoBrat. :) |
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| 23:19.41 | Fisker- | http://i36.tinypic.com/15pn40i.jpg >:3 |
| 23:19.48 | Fisker- | haha TecnoBrat |
| 23:19.50 | Fisker- | hivemind |
| 23:20.02 | kd3 | rofl |
| 23:20.21 | TecnoBrat | haha |
| 23:21.38 | smcn | so, omen of clarity has about 90% chance to proc on spells |
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| 23:47.25 | jaxdahl | ScytheBlade1 ping |
| 23:47.34 | jaxdahl | server shutdown in 15 |
| 23:47.38 | jaxdahl | possible patch? |
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| 23:48.55 | smcn | possible, there was a blue post saying they were planning a build before the end of the weekend |
| 23:51.39 | Tem | awesome |
| 23:51.44 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, start the thingy! |
| 23:54.45 | Ackis | anyone have a patch 2.x -> 2.4 mirror? |
| 23:54.59 | smcn | a.wirebrain.de/wow ? |
| 23:56.47 | Ackis | ty |
| 23:58.34 | kd3 | geez |
| 23:58.44 | kd3 | 15k gold for the 3-person mount with on-board vendors |
| 23:59.19 | Dewin | How exactly does that work anyways? |
| 23:59.31 | kd3 | dunno |
| 23:59.33 | NightHawkTheSane | not sure how the mammoth works |
| 23:59.35 | kd3 | need to copy gold around |
| 23:59.41 | NightHawkTheSane | but the motorcycle works like a vehicle |
