| 00:00.26 | Diao | Xinhuan: pong :p |
| 00:00.40 | Xinhuan | use PMs this time ;p |
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| 00:04.46 | Shirik | so odd |
| 00:04.48 | Shirik | check this out |
| 00:05.22 | Shirik | lua> function class() return print; end; class "foo" { } |
| 00:05.23 | lua_bot | Shirik: table: 0x8082c08 |
| 00:05.24 | Shirik | Obviously that works |
| 00:05.27 | Shirik | however |
| 00:05.49 | Shirik | Oh, this works too: |
| 00:05.51 | Shirik | lua> loadstring[[function class() return print; end; class "foo"\n{ }]]() |
| 00:05.51 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call a nil value |
| 00:05.54 | Shirik | er |
| 00:06.26 | Shirik | lua> return loadstring("return print;")() |
| 00:06.27 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x80752f0 |
| 00:06.56 | Shirik | lua> assert(loadstring[[function class() return print; end; class "foo"\n{ }]])() |
| 00:06.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: [string "function class() return print; end; class "foo"\n{ }"]:1: unexpected symbol near '\' |
| 00:07.01 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:07.03 | Shirik | oops |
| 00:07.29 | Shirik | lua> assert(loadstring("function class() return print; end; class \"foo\"\n{ }")() |
| 00:07.29 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 00:07.32 | Shirik | omfg |
| 00:07.36 | Shirik | I HATE YOU SO MUCH |
| 00:08.16 | Shirik | lua> assert(loadstring("function class() return print; end; class \"foo\"\n{ }"))() |
| 00:08.16 | lua_bot | Shirik: table: 0x80839d8 |
| 00:08.19 | Shirik | Okay so that works |
| 00:08.20 | Shirik | But this does not: |
| 00:08.25 | Shirik | lua> assert(loadstring("function class() return print; end; class \"foo\"\n({ })"))() |
| 00:08.26 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: [string "function class() return print; end; class "foo"..."]:2: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '(' |
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| 00:10.12 | Xinhuan | well yes, that's ambiguous ;p |
| 00:10.21 | Shirik | how can you say that? |
| 00:12.19 | Xinhuan | cos ( ) can be at the start of a new statement |
| 00:12.39 | Xinhuan | like ("abc"):len() |
| 00:13.13 | Xinhuan | so ({}) is ambiguous, it doesn't know if it its a function call, or not |
| 00:13.38 | Xinhuan | or just a plain old () to evaluate the stuff inside it |
| 00:14.12 | Shirik | but you can't have a statement ({}) |
| 00:14.46 | cbreak | lua> ({}) |
| 00:14.46 | lua_bot | cbreak: table: 0x8082d68 |
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| 00:14.52 | cbreak | tada! |
| 00:14.54 | Shirik | that doesn't count |
| 00:14.57 | Shirik | that's return ({}) |
| 00:15.01 | Shirik | not just ({}) |
| 00:15.11 | Shirik | lua> loadstring("({})") |
| 00:15.11 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil, [string "({})"]:1: syntax error near '<eof>' |
| 00:15.29 | cbreak | och :( |
| 00:16.16 | Shirik | Admittedly, I can't come up with a statement that starts with { |
| 00:16.18 | Xinhuan | yeah well, you're playing with \" |
| 00:18.22 | Xinhuan | well |
| 00:18.26 | Xinhuan | if you remove the {} |
| 00:18.29 | Xinhuan | the same error occurs |
| 00:18.40 | Xinhuan | lua> assert(loadstring("function class() return print; end; class \"foo\"\n()"))() |
| 00:18.41 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: luabot:1: [string "function class() return print; end; class "foo"..."]:2: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '(' |
| 00:18.53 | Xinhuan | its the presence of the () that is ambiguous |
| 00:19.43 | Shirik | yeah I knew that already |
| 00:19.58 | Shirik | it's just not always ambiguous :/ |
| 00:20.11 | Shirik | It's really irrelevant because there's no good reason to have the () there |
| 00:20.22 | Shirik | but I found it odd |
| 00:21.37 | zenzelezz | you're talking about a language that doesn't enforce semi-colons, and counts from 1; how can you expect anything other than "odd"? :_o |
| 00:28.04 | Shirik | the 1 has good reasoning |
| 00:28.24 | Shirik | it's designed to be usable by people that aren't really great at programming |
| 00:28.29 | Shirik | or may not be programmers at all |
| 00:28.50 | cbreak | you can start at 0 if you want |
| 00:29.38 | Shirik | not if you want sizing to work |
| 00:29.52 | cbreak | #? |
| 00:29.55 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:30.01 | cbreak | details... |
| 00:30.06 | Shirik | Also |
| 00:30.38 | Shirik | lua> local n = collectgarbage"count"; local t = {[0] = 0, [1] = 1}; print(collectgarbage"count" - n) |
| 00:30.38 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.0859375 |
| 00:30.47 | Shirik | lua> local n = collectgarbage"count"; local t = {[1] = 0, [2] = 1}; print(collectgarbage"count" - n) |
| 00:30.47 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.0859375 |
| 00:30.49 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:30.50 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:30.59 | Shirik | that's not supposed to happen! |
| 00:31.32 | Shirik | lua> local n = collectgarbage"count"; local t = {[0] = 0, [1] = 1, [2] = 2}; print(collectgarbage"count" - n); local n = collectgarbage"count"; local t = {[1] = 0, [2] = 1, [3] = 2}; print(collectgarbage"count" - n) |
| 00:31.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.140625, 0.140625 |
| 00:31.35 | Shirik | ok I give up |
| 00:31.47 | Shirik | I would have expected the 0 to go into the hash portion; Lua must be doing something magical |
| 00:32.25 | cbreak | lua> local n = collectgarbage"count"; local t = {[0] = 0, [10] = 1}; print(collectgarbage"count" - n) |
| 00:32.26 | lua_bot | cbreak: 0.0859375 |
| 00:32.34 | cbreak | interesting |
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| 00:33.03 | Shirik | oh I think I know why |
| 00:33.17 | Shirik | local n = collectgarbage"count"; local t = {[0] = 0, [1] = 1, [2] = 2}; print(collectgarbage"count" - n); local n = collectgarbage"count"; local t = {0, 1, 2}; print(collectgarbage"count" - n) |
| 00:33.21 | Shirik | lua> local n = collectgarbage"count"; local t = {[0] = 0, [1] = 1, [2] = 2}; print(collectgarbage"count" - n); local n = collectgarbage"count"; local t = {0, 1, 2}; print(collectgarbage"count" - n) |
| 00:33.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.140625, 0.06640625 |
| 00:33.24 | Shirik | there we go |
| 00:33.53 | Shirik | I forgot that table constructor always builds a hash table until it's cleaned up |
| 00:44.50 | Xinhuan | lua> 22/256 |
| 00:44.51 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 0.0859375 |
| 00:45.11 | Xinhuan | as you can see, lua isn't quite capable of doing timings greater than 1/256 ms |
| 00:45.19 | Xinhuan | i mean with higher precision than that |
| 00:47.28 | Tifi | timings? |
| 00:48.46 | Tifi | lua> ("%fkB = %f bytes"):format(0.0859375, 0.0859375*1024) |
| 00:48.47 | lua_bot | Tifi: 0.085938kB = 88.000000 bytes |
| 00:50.53 | Dewin | Any idea what would cause a "/castsequence Create Soulstone, Minor Soulstone" macro to randomly not work? |
| 00:51.23 | Dewin | I create the macro, it works once, after logging out and back in it never works again |
| 00:51.34 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/welcome.html <= lol |
| 00:52.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/outputlog |
| 00:55.41 | NeoTron | Dewin: a better question... why? |
| 00:56.42 | Dewin | Because when I'm soloing as a warlock I keep myself SS'd, and it's nice to just be able to use one button to create it and then hit the same button to use it on myself |
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| 00:56.55 | NeoTron | tried two /cast? |
| 00:57.20 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: nice :) |
| 00:57.20 | Dewin | Not in a macro, no, I was under the impression that anything that invoked GCD would block that |
| 00:57.24 | JoshBorke | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.28 | JoshBorke | and just hit is twice? |
| 00:57.49 | Dewin | and... outside of a macro, "/cast Create Soulstone" followed by "/cast Minor Soulstone" works fine |
| 00:57.51 | NeoTron | it would fail the 2nd time and should flal through |
| 00:58.00 | NeoTron | since they are unique |
| 00:58.29 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: funny method to find the max :) |
| 00:58.46 | Dewin | I'll have to try it again later then. The other advantage to a /castsequence is I could see the CD remaining |
| 00:59.13 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: why not a straight binary search? |
| 00:59.52 | NeoTron | Dewin: like #showtooltip Minor Soulstone ? |
| 01:00.04 | Tifi | why not sth like /cast [btn:2] Create Soulstone; Minor Soulstone |
| 01:00.29 | NeoTron | that would require using the mouse? :P |
| 01:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: the top end is broke atm, and you can't do a 'trivial' binary search because we don't know the max :) |
| 01:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: but yeah I know that part is semi-broke atm |
| 01:01.03 | Tifi | ./cast [btn:2][mod] Create Soulstone; Minor Soulstone |
| 01:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: note the timer though ;) |
| 01:01.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That's download + assembly of a 822MB file on a shared host |
| 01:01.37 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: start with 2**14, should be pretty safe to assume no patch is that large - that would be a 4gb patch |
| 01:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, could |
| 01:02.24 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: yeah, saw it - pretty nice :) |
| 01:02.32 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: beats my 2MBit connection... heh :) |
| 01:03.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I just need to throw in some more looping code to progressively scan for new builds and then break out of that and download |
| 01:03.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ie actually automate it fully |
| 01:03.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I have code to download and I have code to search |
| 01:03.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I just need to combine the two |
| 01:05.42 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: ohh, and if 2**14 exists, well, then just test 2**15 next, and you know it's between those two :) |
| 01:05.57 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 01:05.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I like that |
| 01:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Search by powers of two and then reduce |
| 01:06.43 | Maldivia | yeah, would probably start by searching around the 256MB mark |
| 01:06.51 | Maldivia | so 2**10 |
| 01:09.16 | Maldivia | grrr - spam on wowace, someone +R it |
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| 01:10.02 | Cairenn | I did |
| 01:10.13 | Esamynn | anyone know if you can do multiple return values in php? |
| 01:10.19 | Cairenn | t, Dave2 - the spammer is back, hitting #wowace atm |
| 01:10.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: not last time i knew |
| 01:10.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: return an array |
| 01:10.35 | NightHawkTheSane | well, that.. |
| 01:10.37 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 01:10.45 | Esamynn | :P |
| 01:10.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Or an object |
| 01:10.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Objects are good stuff |
| 01:10.57 | NightHawkTheSane | or any type of container, but that's aside the point ;) |
| 01:11.12 | Esamynn | php arrays start at 0, right? |
| 01:11.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 01:11.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 01:11.24 | kd3 | eesh. requires flash: http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200809_cira.html?extraprod=cira#a_topad |
| 01:13.16 | |Jelly| | So apparently, Ike is supposed to still be a Cat 1 storm when it passes my house. :-\ |
| 01:16.12 | |Jelly| | Shirik: PIIIIIIIIING! |
| 01:16.17 | Shirik | no ping |
| 01:16.59 | |Jelly| | How's the economy on your server? I R TIRUD UV PEEVEEPEE |
| 01:17.03 | Shirik | oi |
| 01:17.08 | Shirik | our economy |
| 01:17.08 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:17.10 | Shirik | lolololol |
| 01:17.18 | NeoTron | it is all inflated! |
| 01:17.32 | NightHawkTheSane | our economy! ze goggles do nothing! |
| 01:18.13 | |Jelly| | I'm on a release server ... it's sad how much stupid greens cost. |
| 01:18.47 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+f ##unavailable] by Cairenn |
| 01:19.01 | NeoTron | 45g... for a level 41 item! |
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| 01:19.08 | NeoTron | "of agiliy" |
| 01:19.16 | NightHawkTheSane | +f? |
| 01:19.19 | kd3 | forward |
| 01:19.22 | Shirik | forward unregistered |
| 01:19.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i see |
| 01:19.57 | Duman | nice |
| 01:20.07 | |Jelly| | How much are ... Potion injectors / Netherweave Bags on your server? :P |
| 01:21.51 | Cairenn | I know it pisses people off to have the channel +r, but I'm very tempted to actually have it on all the time |
| 01:22.02 | Cairenn | and combine it with the +f |
| 01:22.12 | Shirik | I'm working on a solution I think |
| 01:22.46 | Maldivia | it only annoys me, when I get disconnected, since I don't use auto-nickserv-login :) |
| 01:22.53 | Shirik | |Jelly|: Um |
| 01:22.58 | Shirik | No potion injectors.. |
| 01:23.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: so.. start? ; |
| 01:23.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 01:23.20 | Shirik | bags are sitting around 9g 90% |
| 01:25.43 | |Jelly| | kkkkk |
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| 01:28.35 | Shirik|DDR | ... |
| 01:28.44 | Shirik|DDR | something's not right here :/ |
| 01:28.53 | *** part/#wowuidev Shirik|DDR (n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 01:28.55 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously, who still plays DDR? |
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| 01:29.12 | Shirik | there we go |
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| 01:44.15 | Shirik | does anyone know how to scan a channel for users matching a given hostmask? |
| 01:44.45 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: I do :( |
| 01:44.58 | Syzgyn | Occasionally |
| 01:45.22 | NightHawkTheSane | my condolences |
| 01:45.35 | Syzgyn | Its fun! |
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| 01:47.16 | Shirik | oops |
| 01:47.19 | Shirik | apparently my timer didn't work |
| 01:47.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hah.. "if there is a single goddamned playwright in the whole goddamned world who doesn't need protection, it's Shakespeare. He runs zero risk of disappearing from the canon." |
| 01:47.52 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b %*!*@unaffiliated/dagmar] by Shirik |
| 01:47.58 | Shirik | that was supposed to be removed a week ago >.> dododo |
| 01:48.27 | Cide | hey, he's online. go tell him to rejoin! |
| 01:48.35 | Shirik | I don't intend to do that :) |
| 01:48.40 | Shirik | he can rejoin if he so desires |
| 01:49.18 | Shirik | hey Cide, the IRC component of your bot |
| 01:49.21 | Shirik | what language is it written in? |
| 01:49.25 | Cide | python |
| 01:49.28 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:49.31 | Cide | what |
| 01:49.32 | Cide | ? |
| 01:49.36 | Shirik | I refuse to use it |
| 01:49.39 | Cide | why? |
| 01:49.47 | Shirik | must..not...use...python |
| 01:49.54 | Cide | stop the pointless hate :P |
| 01:49.57 | Cide | python is great |
| 01:49.58 | Shirik | I tried to learn python a few days ago |
| 01:50.00 | Shirik | yesterday actually |
| 01:50.03 | Cide | and? |
| 01:50.06 | Shirik | because I found an interpreter on our school's computers |
| 01:50.17 | Shirik | I got confused. Mostly because I was just trying to learn by typing inrandom commands |
| 01:50.22 | Cide | ... |
| 01:50.26 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 01:50.31 | Cide | http://docs.python.org/tut/ |
| 01:50.35 | Shirik | maybe later :) |
| 01:50.51 | Cide | exceptions are pro btw |
| 01:51.03 | Cide | I can imagine you found out about them the hard way |
| 01:51.07 | Shirik | very much so |
| 01:51.12 | Shirik | "Slice assignment invald" |
| 01:51.17 | Shirik | invalid |
| 01:51.36 | Shirik | foo = "bar", foo[1] = "b" |
| 01:51.39 | Shirik | = not happy |
| 01:51.40 | Shirik | I learned that |
| 01:51.48 | Shirik | er, I eman |
| 01:51.49 | Shirik | mean |
| 01:51.50 | Cide | strings are immutable |
| 01:51.59 | Shirik | yeah, that, and foo[1:] |
| 01:52.01 | Cide | TypeError: 'str' object does not support item assignment |
| 01:52.04 | Shirik | that was an interesting syntax |
| 01:52.14 | Shirik | foo[1:] = "b" also invalid |
| 01:52.19 | Cide | same deal |
| 01:52.24 | Cide | you can do |
| 01:52.36 | Shirik | the problem with foo[1:] |
| 01:52.40 | Shirik | is it reminds me of MATLAB syntax |
| 01:52.44 | Shirik | and it's COMPLETELY different from what MATLAB does |
| 01:53.02 | Cide | foo = ["foo", "bar", "baz"]; foo[1:] = ["no u"] # foo == ["foo", "no u"] |
| 01:53.14 | kd3 | matlab... |
| 01:53.57 | Shirik | kd3, engineering at all? |
| 01:54.01 | Shirik | Or just computer science? |
| 01:54.17 | kd3 | I first went to school as aerospace before I transferred to CS |
| 01:54.29 | Shirik | I've recently learned to love MATLAB (or more specifically, simulink) |
| 01:54.46 | Shirik | Because of the ease in which we can perform full scale simulation testing |
| 01:54.58 | Shirik | And better yet, it knows how to use all 512 cores on our cluster |
| 01:55.05 | Shirik | so we can do some pretty crazy shit quickly |
| 01:55.46 | Shirik | Cide: I may go to python in a bit. First I have to code this AI :) |
| 01:55.50 | Shirik | then figure out how to get it into IRC |
| 01:56.04 | Arrowmaster | what are you coding it in? |
| 01:56.08 | Shirik | Lua |
| 01:56.23 | kd3 | isn't there an eliza implemented in pretty much every language already? |
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| 01:56.31 | Shirik | not the AI I was writing :) |
| 01:56.39 | Shirik | however, pretty much yes |
| 01:58.38 | Cide | Shirik: but can your cluster download the internet? |
| 01:58.42 | Cide | that's right. it sucks. |
| 01:58.59 | Shirik | you are so strange |
| 01:59.04 | Cide | I know! |
| 01:59.18 | Shirik | however, it's intentionally disconnected from the network because there's occasionally some sensitive information on there |
| 02:00.33 | ScytheBlade1 | (He doesn't want to share his pr0n) |
| 02:00.53 | Shirik | I wish I owned a cluster... |
| 02:00.59 | Shirik | I don't have that kind of money though |
| 02:01.04 | Arrowmaster | whats the point in having a 512 core cluster if you cant use the internet and run something like folding@home on it? |
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| 02:01.20 | Jamash | What would you do with a cluster, Shirik? |
| 02:01.26 | Shirik | say I had one |
| 02:01.30 | Cide | what WOULDN'T you do? |
| 02:01.42 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Very complex simulations :P |
| 02:01.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably benchmark lua and /moan |
| 02:01.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's probably what he'd do |
| 02:01.57 | Shirik | benchmark lua vs python |
| 02:04.29 | Shirik | I might just use LuaSocket and handle the IRC protocol myself |
| 02:04.35 | Shirik | it's not complicated, and I have to handle the protocol manually anyway |
| 02:04.43 | Shirik | (partially manually at least) |
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| 02:07.51 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 02:07.55 | purl | ~pong |
| 02:08.01 | Shirik | hrm |
| 02:08.11 | End | ding |
| 02:08.13 | End | dong |
| 02:09.02 | Shirik | there we go |
| 02:13.29 | Arrowmaster | this pizza is fucking greasy as hell |
| 02:14.08 | Arrowmaster | but its soo good |
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| 02:26.00 | Adys | End: you still around? |
| 02:38.38 | Shirik | lua> return math.huge |
| 02:38.39 | lua_bot | Shirik: inf |
| 02:38.59 | Cide | lua> "inf" |
| 02:39.00 | lua_bot | Cide: inf |
| 02:39.06 | Cide | I don't like that way of displaying things :/ |
| 02:39.11 | Shirik | I agree |
| 02:39.15 | Shirik | however it confirmed what I needed to see |
| 02:39.28 | Cide | --> math.huge |
| 02:39.28 | batbot | Cide: > inf |
| 02:39.32 | Cide | >>> math.huge |
| 02:39.32 | Cide | Cide: 1.#INF |
| 02:41.28 | Dashkal | ooookay... beta is under some spactacular lag... |
| 02:41.31 | Dashkal | hellooo spore |
| 02:42.41 | ccox | "1.#INF" WTF is that? |
| 02:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Division by zero in some cases |
| 02:43.56 | ccox | that would be NaN |
| 02:44.16 | ScytheBlade1 | On RoS when we suck it up and our mana bars go from 0 to N/A |
| 02:44.18 | ccox | inf is infinity, but wtf is 1.#INF ? |
| 02:44.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Grid displays "1.#INF" for our mana |
| 02:45.15 | ccox | leave it to microsoft to find a new way to display standard concepts |
| 02:45.16 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format("%.16g", math.huge) |
| 02:45.16 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: inf |
| 02:47.49 | Cide | ccox: inf isn't infinity |
| 02:47.59 | Cide | inf is an invented result from math.huge from the bots |
| 02:48.05 | Cide | try math.huge in wow |
| 02:48.19 | Cide | 1.#INF is the lua way of saying positive infinity |
| 02:48.20 | Cide | >>> -1/0 |
| 02:48.21 | Cide | Cide: -1.#INF |
| 02:48.24 | ccox | inf is the text representation of infinity according to most programming launguages |
| 02:48.26 | Cide | -1.#INF is negative infinity |
| 02:48.37 | Cide | who the fuck cares about "most programming languages"? this is lua |
| 02:48.55 | Cide | python does |
| 02:48.58 | Cide | ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero |
| 02:48.58 | Arrowmaster | in lua its math.huge, there is no text representation of it |
| 02:49.02 | Corrodias | THIS IS LUA *300's* |
| 02:49.05 | Cide | >>> tostring(1/0) |
| 02:49.05 | Cide | Cide: "1.#INF" |
| 02:49.07 | Cide | sure there is. |
| 02:49.18 | krka | Corrodias: Lua is actually a portuguese word and it means "moon" |
| 02:49.24 | Cide | >>> tostring(math.huge) |
| 02:49.25 | Cide | Cide: "1.#INF" |
| 02:49.25 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 02:49.34 | Corrodias | NO KIDDING I DID NOT KNOW THAT LUL |
| 02:50.00 | Arrowmaster | Cide: i ment theres no way get a 'text' representation of it to a numberic one |
| 02:50.37 | Cide | no idea what you're saying but ok |
| 02:50.39 | ccox | there's always a text representation - that's what you get when you call print, or tostring, or equivelent |
| 02:50.44 | Arrowmaster | >>> tonumber(tostring(math.huge)) |
| 02:50.44 | Cide | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 02:51.04 | Cide | equivalent* |
| 02:51.10 | Corrodias | what would brian boitano do if he was here right now? he'd reprogram Lua to return a different result for infinity, that's what brian boitano'd do. |
| 02:51.42 | ccox | Cide - yeah, that too :-) |
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| 03:00.07 | Shirik | Anyone familiar with the IRC protocol off the top of their head? Lines are terminated by \r\n? (Yes I'm being lazy) |
| 03:01.38 | Corrodias | not i |
| 03:01.45 | JoshBorke | obviously just a \n |
| 03:01.49 | JoshBorke | why would anyone use \r\n? |
| 03:01.52 | Cide | ^ |
| 03:01.56 | Shirik | because Microsoft has taken over the universe |
| 03:02.08 | Shirik | HTTP is \r\n |
| 03:02.12 | JoshBorke | but i'm not familiar with the irc protocol |
| 03:02.42 | Corrodias | i don't know about you, but i stream my IRC channels directly to a dot-matrix printer |
| 03:02.51 | Corrodias | i need \r before the \n or all hell will break loose |
| 03:02.58 | JoshBorke | Shirik: actually, what'a line in IRC? |
| 03:03.04 | Shirik | a single message |
| 03:03.08 | Shirik | command |
| 03:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Most any server will accept \n for HTTP in place or \r\n |
| 03:03.23 | JoshBorke | why would you need a line ending on a single message? |
| 03:03.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, use whatever you please for HTTP |
| 03:05.44 | smcn | so, is there any way in beta to save keybindings locally that works? setting synchronizeSettings to 0 and using UploadSettings() and DownloadSettings() seems to do nothing |
| 03:05.49 | JoshBorke | Shirik: eh? eh? |
| 03:08.56 | NightHawkTheSane | scrambled eggs, bacon, & beer = best dinner ever. |
| 03:11.03 | Fogger | can I do: if var=="this" or var=="that" or var=="whatever" then do stuff; end ? |
| 03:11.08 | Duman | beta servers still lagging into infinity? |
| 03:11.36 | Fogger | or is there a better way? |
| 03:11.36 | Cide | anyone familiar with postgres? |
| 03:16.35 | Duman | what aspect of it |
| 03:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa, I think we can have more than 100 BG marks now |
| 03:19.52 | kd3 | I'd need to run an AV to see |
| 03:19.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
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| 03:21.38 | Tem|afk | ScytheBlade1, poke |
| 03:21.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem|afk: sec, doing keybinds |
| 03:21.52 | Tem|afk | no, damn you |
| 03:21.55 | Tem|afk | invite my druid |
| 03:22.16 | ScytheBlade1 | FINE |
| 03:23.04 | Tem|afk | Duman, ping? |
| 03:27.55 | Corrodias | room 8 in that "escape" game is frustrating me |
| 03:28.01 | Corrodias | i've gotten all the others, it seems |
| 03:32.07 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: ping? |
| 03:32.23 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 03:32.37 | Cairenn | actually, nm, found the log |
| 03:35.09 | Arrowmaster | sweet i just figured out how to free up 12.4GB of harddrive space! |
| 03:35.20 | kd3 | delete the porn? |
| 03:35.38 | Arrowmaster | realized i still had season 1 and 2 of heros even though i have them on dvd |
| 03:41.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I like having 66k gold sitting around on beta |
| 03:41.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It's kinda fun |
| 03:42.48 | kd3 | "Too late...friends. Nefarius' corruption has taken hold. I cannot...control myself. I beg you Mortals, flee! Flee before I lose all sense of control. The Black Fire rages within my heart. I must release it! EARTH! FIRE! WIND! WATER! HEART! COWER MORTALS BEFORE THE WRATH OF CAPTAIN PLANET....NO! I MUST FIGHT THIS!" |
| 03:43.06 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 03:43.08 | kd3 | whee at finding old threads in general |
| 03:43.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate you |
| 03:43.42 | Corrodias | almost makes me want to see a vael raid once |
| 03:45.05 | Tem|afk | so um |
| 03:45.13 | Tem|afk | who on beta wants to go do BWL right now? |
| 03:45.27 | kd3 | Edwin VanCleef yells: Lapdogs....for all of you! |
| 03:45.27 | kd3 | Edwin VanCleef hands everyone in your group a puppy. |
| 03:45.46 | Tem|afk | Pride Heralds the end of my nap! |
| 03:46.02 | NightHawkTheSane | bwl? |
| 03:46.11 | Tem|afk | You face not Malchezar alone, but RNG I command! |
| 03:46.32 | Tem|afk | BWL = Blackwing Lair. |
| 03:46.36 | kd3 | Prince Melchazzar: Happiness, has brought you to me, I shall be your entertainment for this evening.; Prince Melchazzar: You face not Melchezzar alone, but the entire orchestra I conduct!; Prince Melchezzar: All Symphonies, all Sonatas are open to me |
| 03:46.58 | kd3 | the thread in question: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=712404778&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 03:48.10 | NightHawkTheSane | no no, i know what bwl is.. im just wondering why |
| 03:48.18 | Corrodias | kd3: what is going on in this thread? |
| 03:48.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: magic |
| 03:48.27 | kd3 | read the OP |
| 03:48.44 | Corrodias | i did read it, but i don't undestand it |
| 03:49.02 | Corrodias | is this something they've implemented in the game or are people making things up with strangely little prompting? |
| 03:49.15 | kd3 | people are being funny |
| 03:49.27 | Corrodias | it seems impossible to be the former, yet the latter makes little sense to me |
| 03:50.00 | Corrodias | but... how did they pick up on the theme so quickly? i've never seen WoW players work together on a thread like that before |
| 03:50.11 | kd3 | it happens a lot in general |
| 03:50.16 | kd3 | that's how some of the biggest memes started |
| 03:50.27 | kd3 | or even some of the class forums, "shadow priests melt faces in PvP" |
| 03:50.32 | Corrodias | what? i used to read General. did they suddenly start moderating? :o |
| 03:50.37 | kd3 | no |
| 03:50.50 | kd3 | but even with a crap signal:noise ratio, some gems still crop up |
| 03:50.57 | Corrodias | well, it's good to see |
| 03:51.05 | Corrodias | these aren't the normal trolls and whiners i'm used to seeing there |
| 03:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | So, apparently I can no longer load into Northrend |
| 03:51.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh hey there we finally go |
| 03:52.39 | Tem|afk | Duman, *cry* ping, please? |
| 03:55.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow the servers are crap. |
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| 03:57.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone else on beta with a ping >600? |
| 03:58.20 | kd3 | the servers can't keep up with the laod |
| 03:58.25 | kd3 | my lag was <200 all night |
| 03:58.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That is really depressing |
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| 04:00.13 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9957005679&sid=2000 |
| 04:00.15 | kd3 | sbo ^ |
| 04:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That's kinda what I was guessing |
| 04:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Which saddens me because I just re-copied my mage and druid >_> |
| 04:02.03 | Syzgyn | Must be getting closer to release ready if they're stress testing the servers already |
| 04:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't suppose anyone knows the entire order of patches to install the beta? |
| 04:04.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, they have all of the patches sitting around still? |
| 04:04.08 | kd3 | beta tech support |
| 04:04.25 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 04:04.28 | kd3 | they combined the first 6 patches so it's only ~4 patches to install instead of 10 |
| 04:04.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh that's a plus |
| 04:05.36 | smcn | my ping is sub-100 as always, but that doesn't mean i'm not lagging like hell :P |
| 04:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb second PvE, PvP, and premade server |
| 04:07.00 | Syzgyn | wtb more premade transfers :( |
| 04:07.49 | ccox | wtb fewer kiddies on the PvE server |
| 04:07.56 | kd3 | eesh |
| 04:08.07 | kd3 | mythweb says I've got 5562 vids |
| 04:08.11 | smcn | t6 rogues are the most obnoxious people |
| 04:08.59 | ccox | you mean the ones with the dual warglaives? |
| 04:09.09 | smcn | well, sometimes they just have 1 |
| 04:09.21 | ScytheBlade1 | how are the obnoxious? |
| 04:09.48 | Arrowmaster | kd3: ah anidb only says i have 3068 =( |
| 04:09.57 | ScytheBlade1 | s/the/they/ |
| 04:13.46 | Ackis | I thought in a for loop (ie: for i=1,max) if you modified i in the loop it changed the counter... is that not true? |
| 04:14.00 | Arrowmaster | cant do that |
| 04:14.40 | Ackis | ugh le sigh |
| 04:17.45 | End | that harpoon quest is pretty awesome |
| 04:17.50 | End | (until I ran out of mana) |
| 04:19.29 | Shirik | lua> strsplit |
| 04:19.30 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x8075540 |
| 04:19.39 | Shirik | is there any equivalent to that in vanilla lua? |
| 04:20.12 | Shirik | nm, actually gmatch works better anyway |
| 04:20.27 | Ackis | hehe "Testickis the diplomat" |
| 04:20.51 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 04:21.24 | Syzgyn | Is there an addon I can use to watch for any events that fire? |
| 04:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | DevTools? |
| 04:21.40 | Syzgyn | mkay |
| 04:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ~devtools |
| 04:21.49 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 04:26.16 | Syzgyn | Great, theres no event :\ |
| 04:26.20 | Ackis | ok ruby question... I have a value in my data structure of "x,y" (it's a string), is it easy to parse those two values? |
| 04:26.29 | End | I only recently rediscovered /dteventtrace >_> |
| 04:28.03 | Syzgyn | The achievement comparison stuff has some delay before it starts spitting out the correct info, but theres no way to tell when that is :( |
| 04:29.02 | Cide | Ackis: nope, use python. |
| 04:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I am somewhat disappointed that I can't use my awesome script to pull the initial beta installer :/ |
| 04:29.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid multiple files |
| 04:29.43 | Ackis | cide: it was written for me in Ruby so I'm learning Ruby now :P data miner ftw :P |
| 04:30.06 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-R] by Cairenn |
| 04:41.49 | NeoTron | ahaha there's a Lord Lantina in Zul'drak |
| 04:41.59 | NeoTron | s/Lantina/Lantinga/ |
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| 05:00.46 | kd3 | oh wow. there's not gonna be a galveston when all is said and done |
| 05:02.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://icons-pe.wunderground.com/data/storm_radar/at200809_radar.gif |
| 05:02.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 05:03.16 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: what was the site that you got high quality sat photos off of? |
| 05:03.38 | kd3 | it's daytime only, the map's dark atm. http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200809_cira.html?extraprod=cira#a_topad |
| 05:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo, flash. |
| 05:05.39 | ScytheBlade1 | There was another one you linked a bit ago |
| 05:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Static sat image |
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| 05:06.30 | kd3 | probably the regular wunderground one |
| 05:06.40 | kd3 | my scrollback doesn't have any non-wunderground links atm |
| 05:06.49 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm k |
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| 05:13.16 | Syzgyn | Wow, beeline to Houston |
| 05:13.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 05:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | In another channel |
| 05:13.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 01:02 < StereoE> so, houston... |
| 05:13.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 01:02 < StereoE> did it have any redeeming features |
| 05:13.42 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 05:14.04 | Neuro_Medivh | You mean, aside from being the center of the petroleum industry? |
| 05:14.18 | kd3 | which reminds me... I went out to top up tonight |
| 05:14.20 | Neuro_Medivh | and the second-largest port in the country? |
| 05:14.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda want to run a traceroute in a loop overnight to random servers in houston >_> |
| 05:14.22 | kd3 | you'd think the world was about to end |
| 05:14.40 | Syzgyn | people flipping their shit? |
| 05:14.49 | kd3 | 3 different gas stations were out, a few more had lines wrapping around the block |
| 05:14.57 | kd3 | and I'm up in Atlanta |
| 05:14.58 | kd3 | wtf |
| 05:15.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:15.09 | Syzgyn | Really? |
| 05:15.13 | NightHawkTheSane | people get stupid when there's the merest hint of trouble |
| 05:15.34 | Syzgyn | My dad told me gas is gonna go up past $4 again by sunday |
| 05:15.39 | kd3 | I fully expect it |
| 05:15.44 | NightHawkTheSane | with luck! |
| 05:15.47 | kd3 | even though oil's <$100 |
| 05:15.48 | Syzgyn | luckily I filled up yesterday at $3.65 |
| 05:16.04 | Syzgyn | Where in Atlanta are you kd3? |
| 05:16.11 | kd3 | out west. paulding county |
| 05:16.37 | Syzgyn | Thats hardly atlanta :P |
| 05:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | My linode is in atlanta... you'd probably get stupid awesome speeds if it wasn't for your line speed cap |
| 05:17.02 | kd3 | yah, but people know where atlanta is. they don't know where hiram is |
| 05:17.11 | Syzgyn | This is very true |
| 05:17.35 | Syzgyn | "I'm from Roswell" "Roswell NM?" "<sigh> I'm from Atlanta" |
| 05:17.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:17.52 | kd3 | it's worse... mail to me is addressed to dallas, ga |
| 05:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | "OH, Atlanta! Gotcha" |
| 05:18.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol wtf |
| 05:18.02 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 05:18.35 | Syzgyn | Eh, you're only about an hour off from me |
| 05:18.44 | kd3 | meh, I'm an hour from everywhere |
| 05:18.58 | kd3 | but at least housing's cheap |
| 05:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently only ~40% of Galveston's population left |
| 05:19.38 | kd3 | ya, I saw that too |
| 05:19.39 | kd3 | idiots |
| 05:19.39 | Syzgyn | A few months ago I was trying to find an apartment in midtown :V |
| 05:20.02 | kd3 | I was thinking about going to atlantic station. $1200/mo. ick |
| 05:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ow? |
| 05:20.36 | Syzgyn | Yeah, anything past borderline-decent was around $1k+/person |
| 05:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I know college towns around here are something stupid like $200/month for a rather nice place |
| 05:21.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course, I don't live near said college town... |
| 05:21.22 | kd3 | that's why I'm an hour away from anywhere useful in atlanta. ~330 |
| 05:21.28 | Syzgyn | Holy crap |
| 05:21.38 | Fogger | is there an easier/better way for checking if isString than type()? |
| 05:21.43 | Syzgyn | I really hope you dont commute |
| 05:21.55 | kd3 | not much. I can work from home more often than not |
| 05:22.01 | kd3 | I did the math, I do come out ahead |
| 05:22.15 | kd3 | I'd have to go to work 3 days a week before I lost money due to gas prices |
| 05:22.21 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 05:24.26 | ScytheBlade1 | So apparently Ike moved across the atlantic as a cat3-4, hit Cuba as a 3, and will hit Texas as a 3 |
| 05:24.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It also went in almost a straight line directly over cuba |
| 05:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty impressive |
| 05:25.09 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Can you do me a favor? |
| 05:25.09 | kd3 | they're saying 110 now... cat 3's only 115, so... not much of a difference |
| 05:25.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: 42 |
| 05:25.21 | Shirik | I need you to DoS Cairenn |
| 05:25.25 | Shirik | she's threatening to ban me |
| 05:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | erm |
| 05:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | She not going to sleep again? |
| 05:25.41 | Cairenn | no, HE"S not going to sleep |
| 05:25.48 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 05:25.56 | kd3 | har |
| 05:25.59 | Cairenn | and I'm going to ban his ass if that's what it will take to make him get some sleep |
| 05:26.03 | NightHawkTheSane | sleep is overrated. |
| 05:26.08 | ScytheBlade1 | All right, the both of you, give me your IPs so I can blast you both off the 'net |
| 05:26.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Come on, spit them out |
| 05:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 05:26.31 | Shirik | my hostmask is MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn |
| 05:26.32 | Shirik | gogo |
| 05:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | $ traceroute MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn |
| 05:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn: Name or service not known |
| 05:26.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:27.25 | kd3 | jesus. wrath's burning 16 gigs of space |
| 05:27.31 | ScytheBlade1 | nuke them patches, kd3 |
| 05:28.08 | Thunder_Child | i have 14gb + and it is all in the data folder |
| 05:28.40 | kd3 | not that I'm worried about it... I've still got ~480 gigs of free space in /home |
| 05:29.00 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.43 | Syzgyn | I have like, 3gb left on that partition :( |
| 05:31.36 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/95963 |
| 05:31.48 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:31.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I am not remotely surprised |
| 05:32.23 | Syzgyn | :V |
| 05:32.48 | ScytheBlade1 | 1GB /boot? |
| 05:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 05:32.54 | kd3 | no |
| 05:32.58 | kd3 | it's ~50 megs |
| 05:33.15 | ScytheBlade1 | o_0 |
| 05:33.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Then how should I be reading this pastey? |
| 05:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I see the 11% used, but I mean the total 1GB size |
| 05:33.56 | kd3 | check the reply, I ran -BM time |
| 05:34.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a bit better |
| 05:34.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I was curious as to why you had a 1GB /boot... that's quite a few kernels |
| 05:35.59 | Thunder_Child | cut that out kd3, you are making me want to get more space |
| 05:36.22 | kd3 | I was strongly considering buying 750GB drives instead of 500GB when I made that raid |
| 05:36.35 | Thunder_Child | i want 4 1TB drives |
| 05:36.47 | Thunder_Child | if i had a job i would have them already |
| 05:37.07 | kd3 | my next raid, when I run out of space (in a year, at least... hopefully) will be at least TB-sized drives. hopefully they'll have a reason MTBF by then |
| 05:37.18 | kd3 | s/reason/reasonable/ |
| 05:38.02 | Thrae | Linux md raid5. Mmmm, OCE support. |
| 05:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm doing fine with a pair of 500GBs |
| 05:38.14 | ScytheBlade1 | The largest stuff I have is WoW and a bunch of flac too |
| 05:38.25 | Syzgyn | I've got a 120GB right now lol |
| 05:38.30 | Thunder_Child | i have ~1.8TB and i am running out of room |
| 05:39.47 | Thunder_Child | and no, it's not porn |
| 05:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=29.20372&lon=-95.03174&zoom=10&type=hyb&rad=0&wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=0&hur=1&hur.wr=0&hur.cod=1&hur.fx=1&hur.obs=1&hur.hd=0&hur.opa=70&hur.img=0&fire=0&tor=0 |
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| 05:42.27 | Thunder_Child | well except for the hurricanes and whatnot, it seem like a nice place |
| 05:42.30 | Thunder_Child | from the sky |
| 05:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just a question of what will be left |
| 05:44.04 | kd3 | I'm morbidly curious at the pre-post hurricane sat imagery like what google did for new orleans after katrina |
| 05:44.13 | ScytheBlade1 | same |
| 05:45.57 | NightHawkTheSane | these random no-fly zones in northrend suck. >< |
| 05:46.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought they were all fixed? |
| 05:46.29 | NightHawkTheSane | tell that to my 3 deaths from them tonight. >< |
| 05:46.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Where? |
| 05:46.37 | kd3 | they're worse in this zone. building-wide no fly zones extend up entirely too high |
| 05:46.40 | kd3 | s/zone/build/ |
| 05:46.44 | NightHawkTheSane | what kd3 said |
| 05:46.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
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| 05:46.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i noticed it in nagrand too |
| 05:47.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is why I had no problems flying around the Fjord |
| 05:47.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't be surprised if it occurs all over outland/northrend |
| 05:47.34 | Thunder_Child | must be rather amusing to watch |
| 05:51.55 | Syzgyn | Lemme tell ya, its great hitting a no fly zone over a massive pit |
| 05:52.01 | Syzgyn | then you're stuck in there once you rez |
| 05:56.37 | NightHawkTheSane | you know what the best part of making bacon is? |
| 05:57.11 | NightHawkTheSane | having your house smell like bacon for hours afterwards |
| 05:57.53 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:57.53 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956325633&sid=1#5 |
| 06:00.46 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, you sir, are a disgusting human being |
| 06:01.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: well, thats not something I didn't already know, but why do you say that? |
| 06:02.17 | NightHawkTheSane | weee, northrend explored. |
| 06:02.18 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, because i can |
| 06:03.02 | Syzgyn | There was a thing on Digg earlier today, all it was was a picture of Bacon |
| 06:03.14 | Syzgyn | I was very confused as to how it got on the top list |
| 06:04.03 | Thunder_Child | because bacon is like fried gold to americans? |
| 06:04.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: it's digg. it's not exactly the height of modern intellectualism |
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| 06:04.19 | kd3 | mmm... bacon |
| 06:04.36 | ScytheBlade1 | s/not exactly/exactly the inverse/ |
| 06:04.53 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, uhhh..what is the height of modern intellectualism? |
| 06:05.06 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: I realize that, but that was a new low |
| 06:06.15 | NightHawkTheSane | huh |
| 06:06.39 | NightHawkTheSane | tabard of the explorer: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=43348 |
| 06:06.49 | kd3 | ya. got that last night in the mail from brann himself |
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| 06:07.11 | Sixen | Lol? They shut off the PTR Forums? |
| 06:07.14 | kd3 | yes |
| 06:07.14 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i got it just now |
| 06:07.16 | kd3 | thank the gods |
| 06:07.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i never noticed that |
| 06:07.19 | Sixen | Agreed. |
| 06:07.31 | Sixen | It was up before I left for work like 7 hours ago. |
| 06:07.34 | kd3 | sixen; http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956355549&sid=1 |
| 06:07.42 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: You got a title too :) |
| 06:07.48 | Sixen | Ah, thanks kd. |
| 06:07.50 | kd3 | oh wow. one of the talking heads is standing in the eye on live TV |
| 06:07.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: no :( |
| 06:07.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: that's only for exploring EVERY zone |
| 06:08.05 | NightHawkTheSane | the tabard is just for northrend |
| 06:08.13 | Syzgyn | Oh, really? |
| 06:08.25 | Syzgyn | So it is |
| 06:08.28 | NightHawkTheSane | yarrr |
| 06:08.38 | Syzgyn | I got them both at the same time, so :P |
| 06:08.56 | Xinhuan | too many new titles imo |
| 06:09.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't really have a problem with it |
| 06:09.43 | Syzgyn | I still say they shoulda kept the server first titles |
| 06:10.42 | kd3 | the raid titles are still in. first to 80 are gone |
| 06:10.51 | kd3 | promoting unhealthy behavior... meh |
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| 06:14.00 | Sixen | Yeah, a few are gone |
| 06:14.10 | Sixen | First to 80, first to max professions |
| 06:14.21 | Sixen | And a few others, I forgot ;/ |
| 06:14.52 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Title#Achievement_Titles |
| 06:14.57 | kd3 | afaik that list is up-to-date |
| 06:16.33 | Syzgyn | Looks right according to my mod |
| 06:20.00 | Syzgyn | Hah, from a blue post on that page: For future development, we plan to develop other methods by which titles can be gained, but we also wish to keep them rare, as providing a clear path to title gain dilutes the value of the title. |
| 06:20.00 | Syzgyn | [edit] |
| 06:20.00 | Syzgyn | Wrath of the Lich King |
| 06:22.13 | Thunder_Child | unlike warhammer, where you can get a title for validating your email address |
| 06:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | "Sbo, the Valid" |
| 06:22.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "You insensitive prick! I have an invalid uncle!" |
| 06:22.49 | ScytheBlade1 | "... dude all I did was verify my e-mail..." |
| 06:23.25 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 06:25.04 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1 almost makes it seem like the only reason he is being called an insensitive prick is because of the title.... |
| 06:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll also add that it's fun using SSH over an IPSEC'd connection |
| 06:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | If not entirely overkill |
| 06:30.33 | Tekkub | rawr |
| 06:30.37 | Tekkub | what to do... |
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| 06:56.32 | NightHawkTheSane | dude. |
| 06:56.41 | NightHawkTheSane | did like EVERY actor in SG-1 have a bit part on Andromeda? |
| 06:57.35 | MentalPower | only the new ones |
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| 06:58.04 | NightHawkTheSane | the new ones what? |
| 06:58.18 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, not every |
| 06:58.21 | Thunder_Child | but many |
| 06:58.49 | Thunder_Child | i dont think carter was on it |
| 06:59.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i don't recall seeing Amanda Tapping or RDA |
| 06:59.59 | NightHawkTheSane | but Christopher Judge & Michael Shanks were both on a couple times, Don Davis has been on, and seriously, so many of the actors who had one-time, or minor recurring roles also appeared in Andromeda as well. |
| 07:01.26 | Thunder_Child | i found it interesting that Michael Shanks and Lexa Doig were married |
| 07:01.37 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if it was before or after the crossover |
| 07:02.38 | Thunder_Child | s/were/are/ |
| 07:03.56 | NightHawkTheSane | imdb says they got married in 2003. His first appearance on Andromeda was in 2001. |
| 07:04.32 | Tekkub | damn that stargate |
| 07:04.43 | Tekkub | everyone who's anyone in ScFi ends up there |
| 07:04.53 | Thunder_Child | because it's a good show |
| 07:05.05 | Tekkub | so were the others, but they got canned |
| 07:05.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ Stargate was 10 seasons. |
| 07:05.16 | Tekkub | SG's just kinda the "old fallback" |
| 07:05.23 | Thunder_Child | though i feel sorry for ben browder (or however it's spelled) everything he does seems to die :( |
| 07:05.24 | NightHawkTheSane | at that length, it's bound to attract a LOT of actors |
| 07:05.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah :\ |
| 07:05.36 | Tekkub | sorry we cancelled Farscape, want to be on Stargate? |
| 07:05.49 | Tekkub | sorry fox cancelled Firefly, what to be on Stargate? |
| 07:06.05 | Tekkub | sorry we ended Andromeda so weirdly, want to be on Stargate? |
| 07:06.06 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry we cancelled Andromeda, want to be on Stargate? |
| 07:06.10 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 07:06.13 | Thunder_Child | only the jewel satie got on stargate, right? |
| 07:06.19 | Thunder_Child | s/the// |
| 07:06.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: moreena baccarin was on sg-1 for a little |
| 07:06.33 | Tekkub | I've only seen Kaylee, yea |
| 07:06.52 | NightHawkTheSane | As that Ori chick. |
| 07:07.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i also probably murdered her name. |
| 07:07.02 | Thunder_Child | oh thats right |
| 07:07.12 | Thunder_Child | she does not look the same at ALL |
| 07:07.24 | Thunder_Child | to me anyway |
| 07:07.39 | Tekkub | oh shit, Adria was from Firefly too |
| 07:07.43 | Tekkub | I suck at faces |
| 07:07.47 | Tekkub | ... |
| 07:07.50 | Thunder_Child | ya, but she really didnt look the same |
| 07:07.52 | Tekkub | that didn't come out right |
| 07:08.00 | NightHawkTheSane | adria, yeah.. |
| 07:08.01 | Thunder_Child | but prolly correct |
| 07:08.11 | Tekkub | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morena_Baccarin |
| 07:08.12 | Tekkub | :P |
| 07:08.27 | Tekkub | okey so who else we got that ended up on SG... |
| 07:08.36 | Thunder_Child | and i am watching macguyver as we speak..... |
| 07:08.42 | Thunder_Child | macgyver* |
| 07:08.52 | Tekkub | McGoyver? yerp |
| 07:10.00 | Tekkub | oh there's The Doctor (not THE Doctor) also |
| 07:10.11 | Tekkub | since they got rid of Sam on Atlantis |
| 07:10.24 | Thunder_Child | that why i said jewl saite |
| 07:10.34 | Tekkub | and Michael, so two Star Trek leftovers |
| 07:10.44 | Thunder_Child | and the reason she got it she lives in the same building as the former doctor |
| 07:10.48 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, star trek leftovers? *blink* |
| 07:10.54 | Tekkub | no TC, The Doctor for V'ger |
| 07:11.00 | Tekkub | *from |
| 07:11.12 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, robert picardo? |
| 07:11.13 | Thunder_Child | oh ya, as the oversight commite person |
| 07:11.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 07:11.27 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, Michael (the half-Wraith) was the cheif Engineer on Enterprise |
| 07:11.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: AHH. i never watched enterprise.. |
| 07:11.53 | Tekkub | I think they snuck the security guy into an ep too |
| 07:12.13 | Tekkub | and Miles was in a few |
| 07:12.21 | NightHawkTheSane | colm meany, yeah. |
| 07:12.29 | NightHawkTheSane | he was pretty awesome |
| 07:12.37 | Tekkub | and Keiko was in the weird animated Hellboy DVD I rented last week |
| 07:13.26 | Tekkub | you know who I miss? Beardy Riker |
| 07:13.34 | Tekkub | he's gotten kinda chubby too |
| 07:13.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah he has |
| 07:14.04 | Arrowmaster | robert picardo first showed up in stargate a long time ago |
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| 07:14.16 | Tekkub | before he was in V'ger? |
| 07:14.27 | Thunder_Child | i dont think so |
| 07:14.37 | Arrowmaster | how many seasons was voyager? |
| 07:14.42 | Thunder_Child | 7 |
| 07:14.46 | Arrowmaster | then no |
| 07:15.02 | Arrowmaster | but it was one of the first few seasons of sg-1 i think |
| 07:15.07 | Tekkub | all the treks were 7 except Enterprise |
| 07:15.16 | Tekkub | and Orig, but who care about that crap |
| 07:15.20 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, he was in sg-1 pretty early |
| 07:15.21 | Thunder_Child | i thought tng was longer than 7 |
| 07:15.35 | Arrowmaster | no tng was 7 |
| 07:15.43 | Tekkub | No. of seasons7 |
| 07:15.43 | Tekkub | No. of episodes178 |
| 07:15.59 | Arrowmaster | i know for a fact tng and ds9 were 7 seasons since i marathon watched them a few years ago |
| 07:16.13 | Tekkub | Outside of acting, Frakes appeared on the Phish album Hoist, playing trombone on the track titled "Riker's Mailbox." |
| 07:16.15 | Thunder_Child | and i know voyager is 7 cuse i have them all |
| 07:16.16 | Tekkub | lol |
| 07:16.39 | Arrowmaster | i dont think ive seen all of voyager yet |
| 07:16.43 | Tekkub | you know what I realized the other day after I heard about the new SG they have planned... |
| 07:17.32 | Thunder_Child | another one? |
| 07:17.33 | Thunder_Child | interesting.... |
| 07:17.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ... new sg? |
| 07:17.33 | NightHawkTheSane | that could end badly |
| 07:17.33 | Tekkub | yea one sec I don't wanna retype this, let me find it |
| 07:18.06 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, sci-fi channel seems to have rather good luck with shows |
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| 07:18.18 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 07:18.23 | Arrowmaster | you know i swear theres something fishy with stargate and Richard Kind, i cant find him listed as a cast member of anything stargate related exacpt the original movie |
| 07:18.26 | Thunder_Child | helps that they have great cgi/filming |
| 07:18.27 | NightHawkTheSane | and such a poor record with movies. >< |
| 07:18.33 | Tekkub | that's cause SciFi picks up abandoned good shows and saves them |
| 07:18.43 | Tekkub | then takes their actors and puts em on SG |
| 07:18.54 | Tekkub | here's the new show: http://stargate.mgm.com/universe/ |
| 07:19.03 | Thunder_Child | though i did love the movie with bruce campbell |
| 07:19.10 | Thunder_Child | just because he was in it |
| 07:19.14 | Tekkub | and here's my observation.... |
| 07:19.18 | Tekkub | Star Trek: TNG - A new story/world every episode. Some ongoing plots, but all in all everything is "back to normal" at the end of the episode. |
| 07:19.18 | Tekkub | DS9 - Stationary setting, bring the story to it... some "elsewhere" stories using the shuttle craft |
| 07:19.18 | Tekkub | V'ger - OMG LOST IN SPACE |
| 07:19.25 | Tekkub | SG-1 - A new story/world every episode. Some ongoing plots, but all in all everything is "back to normal" at the end of the episode. |
| 07:19.25 | Tekkub | Atlantis - Stationary setting, bring the story to it... some "elsewhere" stories using the shuttle craft |
| 07:19.25 | Tekkub | Universe - OMG LOST IN SPACE |
| 07:19.41 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 07:19.54 | Thunder_Child | nice |
| 07:20.01 | Thunder_Child | keep you up late thing about that |
| 07:20.02 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 07:20.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: excpt, DS9 was just a ripped off B5 |
| 07:20.06 | Thunder_Child | thinking* |
| 07:20.15 | Tekkub | no, came to me in the bathroom the next day |
| 07:20.31 | Arrowmaster | except a lot more of atlantis is outside of the city than ds9 was outside of the station |
| 07:20.34 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i enjoyed ds9 and didnt care for B5 |
| 07:20.37 | Tekkub | and V'ger was a ripoff of Lost in Space :P |
| 07:20.51 | Tekkub | DS9 borded me |
| 07:20.55 | Arrowmaster | i liked b5 when i finally got around to watching it |
| 07:20.59 | Arrowmaster | except for the last season |
| 07:21.06 | Tekkub | it was nice for a season or two then it kinda got... meh |
| 07:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: not a matter of whether you liked it, paramount basically stole JMS's idea an made it into b5 *shrug* |
| 07:21.37 | Tekkub | oh yea, the orig doc from SG-1 was in the B5 movie-thing |
| 07:21.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: ds9 was very meh until they got to the dominion war plotline, it picked up pretty nicely then |
| 07:21.42 | Arrowmaster | i think i liked ds9 the best out of the 3 recent startreks |
| 07:21.48 | Tekkub | she was the reporter interviewing Sheridan |
| 07:21.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 07:22.03 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how much stargate universe is going to fuck with the mmo |
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| 07:22.07 | Tekkub | yea they lost me before the war plot |
| 07:24.02 | Thunder_Child | "MGM ownership is currently as follows: Providence Equity Partners (29%), Texas Pacific Group (21%), Sony Corporation of America (20%), Comcast (20%), DLJ Merchant Banking Partners (7%) and Quadrangle Group (3%)." |
| 07:24.23 | Thunder_Child | i have heard of 2 of those coprs |
| 07:24.24 | Thunder_Child | corps* |
| 07:24.24 | Arrowmaster | you know i have this urge to open up the b5 dvd sets next to me because i want to find out if the really really really fucking shitty interlacing that was in the ones i downloaded and watched before purchasing the dvds for cheap is in the dvds too |
| 07:24.24 | Tekkub | Quadranges suck |
| 07:24.31 | Tekkub | I like Parallelpipids |
| 07:24.39 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Tekkub |
| 07:24.39 | purl | nabs the moon and broadsides Tekkub with the sea of tranquility |
| 07:25.02 | Tekkub | Arrowmaster, you prolly downloaded the same ones I did... |
| 07:25.13 | Arrowmaster | the ones i downloaded were all mkvs |
| 07:25.16 | Tekkub | they randomly reboot my playback box when I start em |
| 07:25.48 | Thunder_Child | you know, it took me 3 hours one time to track down the fact that sci-fi is owned by nbc universal, and the page says it outright *sigh* |
| 07:25.56 | Thunder_Child | though it was ~10 years ago |
| 07:26.15 | Arrowmaster | and the audio track wasnt marked with a language so my settings for anime kicked in and would always turn on the english subtitles every ep because the audio track wasnt marked as english |
| 07:27.21 | Arrowmaster | that got annoying quick until i just turned off softsubs in vsfilter |
| 07:28.18 | Thunder_Child | i am enjoying the fact that in macgyver all of the people in foriegn countries speak english |
| 07:29.52 | Arrowmaster | sec need to check dvd rack behind me |
| 07:31.28 | Arrowmaster | i see 7 macgyver boxes i can barely reach |
| 07:31.50 | Arrowmaster | =D |
| 07:32.07 | Thunder_Child | lazy bastard |
| 07:32.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah all 7 seasons, just missing the movies |
| 07:32.56 | Arrowmaster | no im not lazy, theres really a giant stack of stuff between me and the rack against the back wall |
| 07:33.18 | Thunder_Child | there was a macgyver movie(s)? |
| 07:33.26 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 07:34.13 | Thunder_Child | so there is |
| 07:34.19 | |Jelly| | So I'm curious. Why are people crying that BoK is now 5 point Tier 1 talent as opposed to a 1 point Tier 3 talent? In the end, aren't you walking away with 6 "free" talent points? |
| 07:34.22 | Arrowmaster | i need to get ahold of all the seaons of ateam and knight rider to fill out my collection |
| 07:34.23 | Thunder_Child | is young macgyver as well? |
| 07:34.39 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 07:34.42 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, and airwolf |
| 07:34.47 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah airwolf |
| 07:34.51 | Arrowmaster | barely remembered that one |
| 07:34.54 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: because they see 5 points instead of 1 and go "wah wah nerf!" without looking at the overal picture |
| 07:35.22 | Thunder_Child | it makes me feel so old talking about these shows, i wasnt very old at the time |
| 07:35.31 | Thunder_Child | 4 when macgyver started |
| 07:35.37 | Arrowmaster | im that age where i grew up watching macgyver knight rider ateam and airwolf but can barely remember them because i was so young |
| 07:36.12 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: my only complaint about it is that it's slightly more difficult to pick up for prot spec (i'd really like to have divine strength), but *shrug* |
| 07:36.34 | Arrowmaster | haha yeah macgyver started before i was born |
| 07:36.46 | Arrowmaster | and i grew up watching it |
| 07:36.50 | |Jelly| | I guess I just don't see a need for Str. Correct me if I'm misguided but isn't like ... none of our ... anything based off strength? |
| 07:37.10 | Tekkub | I didn't realize O'neil was Macy till he was almost off SG |
| 07:37.15 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: some pally spells scale with AP now. |
| 07:37.15 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 07:37.20 | Thunder_Child | Macy? |
| 07:37.24 | Tekkub | Macy |
| 07:37.30 | Arrowmaster | macgyver |
| 07:37.32 | |Jelly| | Ahh. I need to catch up on my Patch Notes then. |
| 07:37.34 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 07:37.37 | Tekkub | yerp |
| 07:37.46 | Thunder_Child | ~glare Tekkub |
| 07:37.47 | purl | ACTION glares at Tekkub |
| 07:37.55 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: where are you at watching macgyver? |
| 07:37.58 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: basically, they want prot pallies to equip dk/warrior tanking plate (str/sta/def) and make good use of it. |
| 07:38.22 | NightHawkTheSane | so we get some Spell power from sta (via talents) and spells scale with both spell power and ap to make strength a decent stat. |
| 07:38.24 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, S01E03 i have seen a number of them but i never saw them all/in order |
| 07:38.25 | |Jelly| | Cause apparently it's beyond them to itemize for tanking paladins. /sigh |
| 07:38.46 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: no, its not at all beyond them. but they want to consolidate itemization |
| 07:39.01 | Arrowmaster | considering my tendancies to marathon watch tv shows im fairly certain i could open up season 1 right now and finish season 7 before you |
| 07:39.13 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: only pallies ever use pally tanking plate in live. they want to make a single 'tank plate' drop that any plate wearing tank class can use |
| 07:39.24 | Tekkub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1400/ |
| 07:39.36 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, it's possible. + i havent finnished downloading it all yet |
| 07:39.36 | |Jelly| | *shrug* Maybe I'm just too vain. |
| 07:39.44 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: i's a good change, i think |
| 07:39.58 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 07:40.08 | Thunder_Child | 44.5GB takes a bit to DL |
| 07:40.11 | |Jelly| | *shrug* At least people will STFU about me weraing Warrior gear now. |
| 07:40.47 | Thunder_Child | though ~$130 for the whole set isnt bad at all |
| 07:40.52 | |Jelly| | I got in an argument the other night in Kara about my gear. Apparently the healer (of all people) wants me to sacrifice +def/avoidance for +Int so they could chain pull as opposed to waiting 10 seconds for me to top off my mana. |
| 07:41.40 | NightHawkTheSane | well, in his defense, less avoidance means more damage, which means your mana should be full from spiritual attunement! :D |
| 07:41.56 | |Jelly| | I'm still crushable. :( |
| 07:42.06 | NightHawkTheSane | trash doesn't usually crush, but i was joking anyway ;) |
| 07:42.19 | |Jelly| | But that's still kind of a stupid argument (his, not yours; I know yours was in jest) |
| 07:42.28 | Arrowmaster | your 44.5GB vs my 38 dvds |
| 07:42.40 | Arrowmaster | i pulled them out and counted |
| 07:43.30 | Thunder_Child | lol Arrowmaster, i was looking at macgyver at a site, i scroll down to similar titles and see: A-Team, Knight Rider, and Airwolf |
| 07:43.36 | Thunder_Child | win |
| 07:44.10 | Arrowmaster | still doesnt hold up to my 50 dvd SG-1 boxset which i swear i freed up 80-100GB of hard drive space when i got |
| 07:44.13 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 07:44.19 | Thunder_Child | a-team and airwolf is expensive though. knight rider is rather cheap |
| 07:44.31 | Thunder_Child | http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=20430503 |
| 07:44.34 | Tekkub | god I hate knight rider |
| 07:44.50 | Arrowmaster | i still cant even fucking get dvds for farscape |
| 07:45.01 | Thunder_Child | what? hasselhoff wast harry enough for you Tekkub? |
| 07:45.03 | Tekkub | bum bum... bum bum, bum bum, bum bum... bum bum |
| 07:45.07 | Arrowmaster | theyre over $50 per season still last time i looked! |
| 07:45.26 | Tekkub | Thunder_Child, no the show was just bad and my old roomie rewated it obsessivly |
| 07:45.30 | Thunder_Child | know something you cant seem to get at all, EFC |
| 07:45.37 | Tekkub | oh and KITT's a fucking cylon |
| 07:45.57 | Tekkub | EFC started good, then slowly became more WTF? each season |
| 07:46.12 | Tekkub | every season we kill off the main char and bring in someon eelse! |
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| 07:47.12 | seebs | Heyyy, this channel moved. |
| 07:47.22 | Tekkub | you slow |
| 07:47.34 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 07:47.44 | seebs | I've been really, really, busy. For about six months. |
| 07:47.48 | seebs | Maybe a bit longer. |
| 07:47.52 | Tekkub | why must woot's shirts suck so? |
| 07:48.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: the ones lately have been kinda meh :\ |
| 07:48.14 | seebs | So, you know those addons that attach the game tooltip to the mouse cursor? |
| 07:48.19 | NightHawkTheSane | there's been some good ones in the past though |
| 07:48.20 | Tekkub | Jamash, yea it's the hair, and the extreme oposite |
| 07:48.27 | Thunder_Child | Jamash, >.< |
| 07:48.27 | seebs | I want one that *detaches* the inventory tooltip from the cursor. That thing drives me crazy. |
| 07:48.30 | Tekkub | O'niel plays dumb to everything |
| 07:49.00 | Tekkub | "If we shoot that barrel of gasoline it'll explode and..." *glazed over look* |
| 07:49.00 | Jamash | In my defense, I haven't seen MacGyver since I was like eight |
| 07:49.01 | Thunder_Child | but i love his sense of humor |
| 07:49.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: RDA's? |
| 07:49.20 | Arrowmaster | btw sometimes i want to kill dvd publishers |
| 07:49.38 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, huh? |
| 07:49.57 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 07:50.11 | Thunder_Child | took me a sec to figure that out |
| 07:50.12 | Arrowmaster | i have 2 copies of serenity because i ordered it online along with the firefly dvds when it first came out and then much later they came out with a 2disc special edition |
| 07:50.31 | Arrowmaster | which yes i had to get |
| 07:50.38 | Thunder_Child | i have 2 copies of 5th element |
| 07:50.41 | Thunder_Child | same issue |
| 07:51.05 | Tekkub | I have owned a total of like 12 DVDs |
| 07:51.07 | Arrowmaster | im not even sure if i have the 5th element on dvd |
| 07:51.23 | Tekkub | interestingly enough, my first DVD was the first few eps of SG1 |
| 07:51.25 | seebs | I have a box of DVDs, books, etc., which are now duplicates -- I give 'em away when I remember. |
| 07:51.28 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: i have a box that 4x > you |
| 07:51.57 | Tekkub | BTW that was past tense, I think I might still have 2 of those DVDs in a box somewhere |
| 07:52.04 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 07:52.13 | Arrowmaster | ok make that 25x > you |
| 07:52.41 | Thunder_Child | look at the similar titles list, i fail to see the connection http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=5736711 |
| 07:52.49 | Tekkub | OMFG... "Hey there I'm 20 years old about 360 lbs(but i look 280)" |
| 07:53.33 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: i think thats on my list of things i need to see |
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| 07:53.45 | seebs | So, the problem I face is this: I can't figure out how to express search terms for a goal (tooltip doesn't follow mouse) which is the opposite of the goal nearly everyone else seemed to have. |
| 07:53.49 | Duman | heh |
| 07:54.00 | seebs | So I'm curious: Has anyone ever seen a mod which detached inventory tooltips from the mouse cursor? |
| 07:54.02 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, i saw it streamed on netflix, hella funny but my friend bitched at how much the anime sucked |
| 07:54.06 | seebs | Is it impossible or something? |
| 07:54.30 | Sixen | hai spidey |
| 07:54.41 | Jamash | I expect that it's possible but very few people want it that way |
| 07:55.08 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: ok now i have no clue since i dont see any thing that looks like that box art |
| 07:55.53 | Sixen | ~kd3 |
| 07:56.14 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, where? |
| 07:56.30 | Arrowmaster | anidb.net |
| 07:56.58 | Thunder_Child | http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=488 ? |
| 07:57.23 | seebs | I have a lot of trouble with the massive flickering effect when I move the mouse quickly over, say, a full bank. It'd be really nice if the tooltip stayed out of my way... Hmm. |
| 07:58.07 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: that was my closest guess |
| 07:58.40 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* my dvd wishlist is @ $835.22 atm >.< |
| 07:59.06 | Arrowmaster | you should see my wishlist on anidb of stuff i havent even seen yet |
| 07:59.17 | Thunder_Child | i'm not an anime fan |
| 07:59.40 | Arrowmaster | its about as large as my very large list of stuff i have seen and is currently stored on my computer |
| 07:59.56 | Arrowmaster | or burnt to dvd since ive been doing that recently since im running out of space |
| 08:00.44 | Thunder_Child | thats *a* reason why i need bigger HD's |
| 08:00.57 | Thunder_Child | i would prefer to spend the money on HD's than on DVD's |
| 08:01.52 | Arrowmaster | i rarely burn stuff |
| 08:02.28 | Arrowmaster | although i do have a very nice spindle of 100 high quality dvdr's for when i do |
| 08:03.29 | Thunder_Child | Dual Layer? |
| 08:03.35 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:03.43 | Arrowmaster | got them when dual layer just came out |
| 08:04.28 | Arrowmaster | and im only about half way through the first spindle of 50 |
| 08:04.38 | Thunder_Child | kd3, cant stay awake past 10? |
| 08:04.52 | seebs | Ah-hah! Someone did make one, about a year ago, but it's been unmaintained ever since. Heh. |
| 08:04.56 | seebs | Well, now I can go look and make my own. |
| 08:04.57 | Thunder_Child | i'm usualy to lazy to burn stuff |
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| 08:05.25 | Arrowmaster | btw anybody need some cdr's? i probably have more than 300 cheap ones sitting here |
| 08:05.52 | Arrowmaster | i should come up with more reasons to burn cds |
| 08:05.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i've had the same spindle for like 3 years now. |
| 08:06.04 | Arrowmaster | only 3? |
| 08:06.17 | Arrowmaster | i think some of these may be pushing 6 |
| 08:06.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i moved cross country 3 years ago., like hell i was taking cds with me :p |
| 08:07.06 | Tekkub | yea I gave my CD collection to a friend when I moved to AR |
| 08:07.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i meant blank cds, but i didn't bring my music cds either. not that i ever used them anyway. |
| 08:08.11 | Tekkub | yea I have spindles in the closet of blanks I've not touched for years |
| 08:08.27 | Tekkub | only have to burn an OS install disk every so often |
| 08:08.49 | Arrowmaster | i dont even burn os install disks anymore unless i have to give them to somebody else to use |
| 08:09.09 | Arrowmaster | i netboot my shit |
| 08:09.11 | Tekkub | yea it's always the hubby reinstalling XP |
| 08:09.34 | Tekkub | it's such a rare occurance, it's easier to just burn a disk |
| 08:09.47 | Arrowmaster | i used to burn a lot of cds back in my highschool days |
| 08:10.06 | Thunder_Child | ummm...lol? |
| 08:10.07 | Thunder_Child | Product Description |
| 08:10.07 | Thunder_Child | In stock, order by 12/16 for guaranteed X-mas shipping |
| 08:10.07 | Thunder_Child | Seller Notes |
| 08:10.07 | Thunder_Child | Too Late For Christmas Delivery :( |
| 08:10.11 | Tekkub | back when uploading files took forever |
| 08:10.41 | Tekkub | and HDD space wasn't very cheap |
| 08:10.42 | Arrowmaster | especially since i seemed to be the only person that knew how to or cared about slipstreaming service packs into windows install cds |
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| 08:11.21 | Arrowmaster | so everybody always came to me for xp cds |
| 08:11.47 | Arrowmaster | although the file of 1000 some corp key included on my cds may have also been a reason |
| 08:11.52 | Tekkub | I avoided XP SP2 for damn near a year |
| 08:11.59 | Tekkub | same with Vista SP1 |
| 08:12.16 | Arrowmaster | this was back in the xp sp1 days |
| 08:12.41 | Arrowmaster | now i only have one working corp key =D |
| 08:13.27 | Arrowmaster | oh btw if you install xp with a corp key you cannot change it to a pro key later, learned that the hard way |
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| 09:52.42 | Cairenn | hahahha, Dolby sharing "stupid news personnel on-camera" tricks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0CghAKgY4E |
| 09:53.29 | Cairenn | you have to watch the whole thing |
| 10:01.20 | Tem|afk | lol nice Cair |
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| 10:42.55 | Cairenn | I can never understand why people will ask a question when they very obviously don't want to hear the answer unless the answer agrees with what they already feel |
| 10:43.50 | haste | people are odd |
| 10:43.56 | Cairenn | that they are |
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| 10:44.52 | |pez| | I knew there was a channel I'd missed. :P |
| 10:44.57 | Cairenn | :) |
| 11:09.01 | Cairenn | her taxes |
| 11:10.06 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 11:46.53 | Wobin_ | Aooooooo werewolves of london |
| 11:46.58 | Wobin_ | Aoooooooooo yeah... |
| 11:50.36 | Wobin_ | PS, Kid Rock. Bleh =P |
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| 12:05.37 | Fisker- | whats a werewolves of london?+ |
| 12:06.08 | Wobin_ | Pft. |
| 12:06.19 | Wobin_ | I'll tell you when you're older |
| 12:06.25 | Wobin_ | Since you're clearly too young |
| 12:11.19 | wereHamster | a wereWolf is like a larger wereHamster .. |
| 12:11.35 | Fisker- | nah i'm still placing my money on me being older than you Wobin_ |
| 12:12.02 | Wobin_ | If you don't know Werewolves of London, then that's doubtful =) |
| 12:12.05 | Fisker- | Atleast you must be pretty retarded to discount people due to their age |
| 12:12.15 | Wobin_ | I only do that for special people |
| 12:12.20 | Wobin_ | Which is why I do it for you |
| 12:12.31 | [Liquidor] | How does ths look like? http://armory.artoman.com/bossprogress.php |
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| 12:14.09 | Fisker- | How you excuse it over for yourself is only of your concern Wobin_ |
| 12:14.27 | Wobin_ | And why would discounting someone due to age be a stupid thing? You clearly have no concept of the pop culture reference, therefore you were not of the age that pop culture reference is from |
| 12:14.35 | Wobin_ | Also, you're a twat |
| 12:14.52 | Fisker- | oh noes |
| 12:14.59 | Fisker- | you're hurting my efeelings |
| 12:15.10 | Wobin_ | There there. |
| 12:15.15 | Wobin_ | ~comfort Fisker- |
| 12:15.16 | purl | There, there, Fisker-. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:15.29 | Wobin_ | See, someone other than your mom still loves you |
| 12:16.01 | Wobin_ | He'll love you long time for that |
| 12:16.09 | [Liquidor] | Or is it bids? |
| 12:16.27 | Wobin_ | Lowest bidder wins? |
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| 12:25.32 | zenzelezz | [Liquidor]: looks sweet |
| 12:25.53 | |pez| | Yes, the site looks neat |
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| 12:36.55 | [Liquidor] | I got so much to do yet, but I added some quicklinks to the left. There's sort of no menu anywhere on the site atm so |
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| 14:42.57 | Cairenn | morning Peppy |
| 14:43.38 | Lopeppeppy | Hai 2 U. |
| 14:43.46 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 14:43.47 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Peppy and suddenly hugs Peppy tightly |
| 14:44.05 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, |Jelly| dear. Staying dry? |
| 14:44.14 | |Jelly| | Thus far ... it's not here yet. |
| 14:44.26 | |Jelly| | My friends in Houston are without power though. :( |
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| 14:46.53 | Lopeppeppy | *hug* |
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| 15:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, I can still ping stuff in houston |
| 15:21.18 | Lopeppeppy | Why would you not be able to? |
| 15:21.39 | ScytheBlade1 | If stuff went boom |
| 15:21.51 | Lopeppeppy | Generators, UPS, relay systems... all will be of wonder. |
| 15:21.56 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 15:26.35 | wereHamster | A few months age I came across a webpage with some cool software on it. I didn't bookmark it and now I'm looking for it again. But I can't seem to get the right keyword combination for google to find it. I know what the software was about but not the name. Any suggestions how to find the webpage again? |
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| 15:27.14 | zenzelezz | considering you're saying your own searching isn't going well, maybe you should tell us what the software was for/did instead |
| 15:29.43 | wereHamster | it was several pieces of software (all opensource and written in C++). A GUI graph library (where you could connect pads with each other etc), a (midi?) music generator based on this graph libray. I also think the author was somehow connected with opensoundcontrol. |
| 15:30.56 | wereHamster | IIRC he used the library for some sound application (to connect input/outputs of sound modules with each other) |
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| 15:31.57 | wereHamster | he also used svn for revision control. There was doxygen documentation available on his website. The website was rather simple (self-hosted maybe?) |
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| 16:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Al of the people whining about the background downloader being slow amuse me |
| 16:03.25 | cbreak | I found it rather quick |
| 16:03.29 | cbreak | less than two hours |
| 16:03.33 | Anaral | Sbo, agreed |
| 16:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | isn't that the point of the *background* downloader? We won't actually be using this data for weeks to come |
| 16:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | And yet people demand it and demand it NOW WHAAA WHY IS THIS SO SLOW |
| 16:04.23 | Anaral | It's not like as soon as it's finished they'll have the content. A blue or two have even said it'll be weeks before the patch is released. |
| 16:04.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ... because that's what it was designed to do... |
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| 16:04.33 | Lopeppeppy | TEASE! |
| 16:06.15 | zenzelezz | you should know, peppy |
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| 16:16.57 | wereHamster | oh joy!! "gtkmm opensoundcontrol graph" did the trick: second hit is it! FlowCanvas at drobilla.net :)) |
| 16:17.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yay wereHamster! |
| 16:17.18 | Lopeppeppy | Your googlefu is strong today. |
| 16:17.40 | wereHamster | not so much. more then two hours until I found it :-/ |
| 16:18.19 | Lopeppeppy | Meep. But the second hit once you got the right keywords. |
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| 16:32.20 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 16:33.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 16:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | How goes? |
| 16:33.20 | ScytheBlade1 | How was your uh, trip to LA? |
| 16:33.22 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
| 16:33.34 | Lunessa | I'm alive, feeling better; but I can't go home. |
| 16:33.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Good, good, bad. |
| 16:34.00 | Lopeppeppy | Bah.... Monday go home? |
| 16:34.20 | Lunessa | Maybe. County Officials have said "Stay away a few days." \ |
| 16:34.38 | Lopeppeppy | A few days. *rolls eyes* |
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| 16:35.10 | Lunessa | The storm is mostly passed, but the island is still apparently suffering flooding and is under tornado watch. |
| 16:35.29 | Slix | Woo |
| 16:35.30 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. Best to wait until all the ooky water drains away. Don't need you sick again. |
| 16:35.31 | Slix | Lots of rain here |
| 16:35.35 | Slix | IL |
| 16:36.01 | Lunessa | I checked out a live web cam feed from a traffic camera pretty close to my home, and it doesn't look too bad, but the police have locked down all entry points to the island. |
| 16:36.15 | Lopeppeppy | ... island. there's your reason, love |
| 16:36.29 | Lunessa | Yes, I know. |
| 16:36.54 | Lunessa | Hah... I just was getting data off their website. |
| 16:37.21 | Lunessa | But I don't have cable or directTV here |
| 16:38.49 | Lunessa | Now if I could just figure out who the hell called me at 6am... |
| 16:39.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:41.02 | Lunessa | Well, at least here I'm stocked up with Animae, DVDs of at least 5 good TV shows, two puppies, a kitteh, and easy access to take out. |
| 16:41.30 | Cairenn | Lunessa: where are you? |
| 16:41.48 | Lunessa | Austin, TX. |
| 16:41.53 | Cairenn | ah right |
| 16:42.11 | Lunessa | It's a 3.5 hour drive inland from home. |
| 16:42.31 | Lopeppeppy | Kitteh and puppeh make it all better. |
| 16:43.39 | Lunessa | Pretty much, even if the kitteh is dysfunctional. He wants love and affection and then bites/claws. I've learned that it's best to let him just be nearby and not to pet him no matter how much he asks. :P |
| 16:44.04 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 16:44.19 | Cairenn | ignoring cute pleas for petting? meanie :-( |
| 16:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | Kitty plays rough. |
| 16:44.46 | Cairenn | suck it up :"p |
| 16:44.49 | Cairenn | :p |
| 16:45.03 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa just got better, he can't get an infected cat scratch. |
| 16:45.13 | Cairenn | point |
| 16:45.40 | zenzelezz | so stay away from infected cats and play with the healthy ones |
| 16:45.51 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 16:46.25 | Lunessa | Cairenn: :P I promise if youever put out a cute plea for petting, I won't say no. :P |
| 16:46.33 | Cairenn | Lunessa: ;-) |
| 16:47.00 | Cairenn | but, umm, I'm known to play rough too *weg* |
| 16:47.49 | Ackis | Fisker- |
| 16:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wow, it's a literal 4 patches to get up-to-date for beta |
| 16:48.15 | Ackis | never gonna give you up! never gonna let you down! |
| 16:48.29 | Ackis | so my gf gets a new cell phone... and her ring tone is... RICK ROLL |
| 16:48.31 | Ackis | :( |
| 16:48.47 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 16:49.13 | Lunessa | Cairenn and Lopeppeppy can play rough all they want. That's the kind of "Cat Scratch Fever" the song is all about. |
| 16:49.30 | Cairenn | Lunessa: *wink* |
| 16:49.46 | Lunessa | *smirk* |
| 16:51.02 | ccox | they can play rough - as long as we get to watch |
| 16:51.05 | ccox | :-P |
| 16:52.23 | Cairenn | if you want to watch, you need to come to BlizzCon - Lopeppeppy & Seerah & Cairenn are all gonna get giggly on mojitos - and Cairenn gets frisky when she's giggly |
| 16:52.32 | Ackis | :O |
| 16:52.54 | Ackis | afk for morning sex round 2 |
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| 16:53.36 | kd3 | probably should get another battery too. >.> |
| 16:53.37 | Lopeppeppy | You go, Ackis. |
| 16:53.56 | Lopeppeppy | I get frisky too, which is why I only get one mojito! |
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| 16:54.12 | zenzelezz | morning sex just isn't the same when you're alone |
| 16:54.24 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: is no worries, we can get frisky with each other ;-) |
| 16:54.26 | Cide | ackis doesn't appear to mind |
| 16:54.32 | Lopeppeppy | Very true, zenzelezz. |
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| 16:54.35 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:54.42 | Lopeppeppy | Carienn, rawr, watch out for the video cameras. :) |
| 16:54.50 | zenzelezz | Shirik: what the hell are you doing? |
| 16:54.51 | Ackis | that was a good burn not gonna lie |
| 16:54.58 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Kicking my own ass apparently |
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| 16:55.11 | Shirik|Ecole | I think I pissed off several computers |
| 16:55.19 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, do no do that. |
| 16:55.40 | Shirik|Ecole | ok I think it's fixed |
| 16:55.44 | Shirik | yay |
| 16:57.36 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: lol, you have no idea - someone was complaining last year at BlizzCon that I should be as much fun in here as I am irl |
| 16:58.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, no way. No way in hell. |
| 16:59.03 | Cairenn | hmmm? |
| 16:59.15 | Lopeppeppy | IRL you have more cues, visual and verbal and body language... how can you be that much fun in just little typed words? |
| 16:59.20 | Lopeppeppy | It's like against the laws of physics! |
| 16:59.25 | Cairenn | exactly |
| 16:59.44 | Cairenn | lol |
| 16:59.50 | Lunessa | Cairenn has always been fun. and like all smart women has clearly established boundaries. |
| 16:59.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally read that entirely wrong. |
| 17:00.09 | Cairenn | I can't remember if it was TC, Sbo or Guil |
| 17:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | If it was at a blizzcon, it was not me |
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| 17:00.39 | ccox | (boundaries start at kicking and scratching range) |
| 17:00.40 | Cairenn | :-( |
| 17:01.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: meh, it's not like you can kill WoW. Or Blizzard for that matter. There will be more. |
| 17:01.22 | Lunessa | True. So true. |
| 17:01.37 | Sixen | =O |
| 17:01.43 | Sixen | Who *is* going to BC? |
| 17:01.46 | Lunessa | If EQ can still have Fan Faires this late it it's life-cycle, I imagine I'll be taking my kids to BlizzCon. |
| 17:01.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ... British Columbia? |
| 17:01.59 | Sixen | BlizzCon? |
| 17:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 17:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 17:02.04 | Ackis | BC SUCKS |
| 17:02.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ~fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:02.08 | purl | ScytheBlade1: FAIL! |
| 17:02.13 | Sixen | yes. |
| 17:02.17 | Sixen | =l |
| 17:02.33 | Dashkal | ~lart Ackis |
| 17:02.33 | purl | forces Ackis to use Outlook Express |
| 17:03.04 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 17:03.11 | Duman | harsh |
| 17:03.14 | Cairenn | Sixen: pretty good list of the UI community that'll be in attendence, here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 |
| 17:03.25 | Cairenn | ooooow, that'll leave a mark! |
| 17:03.37 | Ackis | I'd rather use Outlook Express than a MAC |
| 17:03.58 | Dashkal | I'm inclined to agree with you on that one, personally. But that's not dissing macs. I just don't like the style |
| 17:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Last edited by Cairenn : Yesterday at 07:15 PM. Reason: Added my name BECAUSE CAIRENN COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT ME QQ |
| 17:04.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:04.24 | Cairenn | speaking of that thread, guys - if you are going to blizzcon & plan on going to the supper on Friday night, pleae please PLEASE sign up now, I need to make the reservations soon |
| 17:04.27 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: lol |
| 17:04.43 | Sixen | Oh, nice Cairenn |
| 17:04.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going, if I have to be dropped at the hotel and wait in the lobby like a little waif for the rest of the group! |
| 17:05.09 | Ackis | I'm going to om nom nom nom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:05.21 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, ETA on the soon? |
| 17:05.50 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: I know, you are needing to talk to your guests - asap, please |
| 17:06.08 | Sixen | Hrm... Stick my as a possibility on the Friday Night dinner. |
| 17:06.17 | Sixen | "Sixen?" |
| 17:06.17 | Sixen | ;P |
| 17:06.19 | Thunder_Child | "@Cairenn: Lopeppeppy: lol, you have no idea - someone was complaining last year at BlizzCon that I should be as much fun in here as I am irl" ya...that was me |
| 17:06.29 | Sixen | TC: Hahaha :P |
| 17:06.51 | Thunder_Child | but i thought that was the other way around... |
| 17:06.59 | Duman | sixen: you coming to dinner on fri? |
| 17:07.32 | Cairenn | no, you were saying that I am a lot more crazy fun irl than I am in channel |
| 17:07.43 | Sixen | I'm going to the con for sure, possibly the dinner. |
| 17:07.52 | Duman | ahh |
| 17:08.02 | Duman | why MAYBE the dinner? :-P |
| 17:08.12 | Lunessa | Holy hell.. all the crap I have to download just to install the beta... *sigh* |
| 17:08.18 | Sixen | Not sure if i'm going anything afterwards, =D |
| 17:08.23 | Sixen | Though I probably won't be, lol. |
| 17:08.38 | Lunessa | Duman: Might have something to do with his status as a minor? |
| 17:08.52 | Duman | heh... for dinner?? |
| 17:08.56 | Duman | not like we're going clubbing |
| 17:08.58 | Duman | (are we?) |
| 17:09.02 | Duman | ;) |
| 17:09.03 | Cairenn | I wish |
| 17:09.03 | Sixen | Well, that could be an issue as long as you guys don't mind. =P |
| 17:09.12 | Sixen | could be = won't |
| 17:09.29 | Cairenn | I would LOVE to go clubbing, but as far as I can tell, there aren't any anywhere nearby |
| 17:09.37 | Lunessa | Well, imagine this... Your kid wants to go hang out with a bunch of out-of-town adults after a game convention... how do you feel about it? |
| 17:09.39 | Sixen | *sigh*, it'll be packed anyway |
| 17:09.43 | Lopeppeppy | You're the chaperone, Sixen. If you think the minor can handle us, bring it on. |
| 17:09.55 | Sixen | Ahahaha peppy. |
| 17:09.57 | Duman | LOL |
| 17:10.26 | Cairenn | Duman is right though, age doesn't really matter for the dinner, or for disney |
| 17:10.33 | Sixen | Well meh, i'll only be considered a minor for a few more months, --- |
| 17:10.35 | Thunder_Child | does for blizzcon |
| 17:10.35 | Sixen | -_-* |
| 17:10.40 | Cairenn | as he said, it's not like we're going clubbing |
| 17:10.47 | Lopeppeppy | Dinner is food. |
| 17:10.51 | Duman | mmm, food |
| 17:10.55 | Sixen | TC, you need to be 6 to get into BC.. I think it was 16 to be alone. |
| 17:10.55 | Lopeppeppy | After is the Cairenn/Peppy Floor Show. |
| 17:10.56 | Tuller | you mean, no one is bringing clubs? |
| 17:11.04 | Sixen | Lawl. |
| 17:11.07 | Thunder_Child | i thought it was 14 |
| 17:11.10 | Duman | seal clubbing? |
| 17:11.10 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 17:11.12 | Duman | wait what? |
| 17:11.39 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, the floor show where the 2 of you are so drunk that....nvm |
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| 17:11.48 | Lopeppeppy | I don't drink in mixed company, TC. |
| 17:11.50 | Sixen | Might be 14, I could be wrong. |
| 17:11.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: the great thing about "being a minor" is that even after that changes is still doesn't matter. Hotels don't give rooms to people under 21. |
| 17:12.00 | Sixen | =| |
| 17:12.04 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, you keep saying that |
| 17:12.18 | Lunessa | Floor show = we show them hardwood, carpeting, and tile samples at a large home improvement wharehouse. |
| 17:12.25 | Duman | hmm, been a while since I was 21 :P |
| 17:12.29 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa is awesome. *grin* |
| 17:12.35 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: not sure they want to see "hard wood" |
| 17:12.40 | Lopeppeppy | BRB, AFK to have my car looked at.... |
| 17:12.50 | Duman | heh |
| 17:13.00 | ccox | Lope - that's ok, we're shaken, not mixed company |
| 17:13.07 | Thunder_Child | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Club+loc:+800+W+Katella+Ave,+Anaheim,+CA&sll=33.803705,-117.920001&sspn=0.025818,0.05579&ie=UTF8&ll=33.79641,-117.896776&spn=0.051641,0.11158&z=14 |
| 17:13.13 | Thunder_Child | there are some clubs ish? |
| 17:13.16 | Duman | the puns are pouring in |
| 17:13.23 | Sixen | How old is KD3? |
| 17:13.37 | Duman | hmm |
| 17:13.41 | Duman | older than you |
| 17:13.46 | kd3 | I'm 23 |
| 17:13.53 | Sixen | Where the hell did you come from.. |
| 17:13.55 | Sixen | Lawl.. |
| 17:13.59 | Thunder_Child | his mother |
| 17:14.05 | Sixen | nowai |
| 17:14.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol irl @ "his mother" |
| 17:14.10 | Duman | lurker extreme |
| 17:14.26 | Sixen | Hehe |
| 17:14.36 | Cairenn | hrm, can't find my pictures of the supper the first year |
| 17:14.50 | Sixen | :( |
| 17:14.54 | Cairenn | was a pretty solid bet that one of the attendees was younger than any of you :p |
| 17:14.56 | Sixen | The first year was awesome.. SC:Ghost! |
| 17:15.14 | Sixen | Hope so, don't wanna feel outta place, ;P |
| 17:15.16 | Cairenn | (Slouken brought his daughter) |
| 17:15.20 | Thunder_Child | iriel will still prolly be the oldest there |
| 17:15.26 | Sixen | Oh, alright. =P |
| 17:15.35 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: awww, you're so sweet, thank you |
| 17:15.40 | Sixen | lol |
| 17:16.04 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, i was serious....was i wrong? |
| 17:16.06 | Sixen | Mmm, well i'm off to work. Be back later. |
| 17:16.12 | Cairenn | you are |
| 17:16.19 | Cairenn | but I appreciate it ;-) |
| 17:16.33 | Thunder_Child | well then... |
| 17:16.38 | kd3 | rofl; fark: [Obvious] Residents are shocked to learn that some young drivers enjoy setting the high score on radar speed displays |
| 17:16.47 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:16.49 | Duman | ... |
| 17:17.00 | Duman | residents have never been kids before? |
| 17:17.05 | Thunder_Child | no, never |
| 17:17.07 | zenzelezz | of course Cairenn is oldest, bosses are max level + 3 |
| 17:17.07 | Duman | s/kids/young/ |
| 17:17.15 | Fisker- | there's a high score? |
| 17:17.19 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: heh |
| 17:17.21 | Duman | new high score? |
| 17:17.23 | Duman | what does that mean? |
| 17:17.25 | Duman | is that bad? |
| 17:17.26 | Duman | did I break it? |
| 17:17.31 | Cide | high scores are never bad. |
| 17:18.04 | Sixen | agreed. |
| 17:18.09 | Duman | that was a movie quote :P |
| 17:18.20 | Lunessa | Well, If I were present, I would be one of the oldest, if not the oldest present. |
| 17:18.57 | Sixen | =P |
| 17:19.32 | Cairenn | Lunessa: unfortunately I probably still have you beat, but I don't really care - "I'm old enough to know better but young enough to still go ahead" |
| 17:19.34 | Thunder_Child | if it makes you feel better Lunessa, you can have that title here |
| 17:19.43 | Sixen | Are Iriel and Cog not attending? |
| 17:19.53 | Thunder_Child | they both prolly are |
| 17:20.01 | Sixen | Ah, they're not on the list ;/ |
| 17:20.04 | Cairenn | they are, they just haven't told me they are, yet |
| 17:20.06 | Duman | hah |
| 17:20.27 | Cide | "they are, they just don't know it yet" |
| 17:20.32 | Sixen | =x |
| 17:20.37 | Sixen | How about alestane? |
| 17:20.40 | Cairenn | hehehe, something like that |
| 17:20.52 | Lunessa | Cairenn - my usual response is "Old enough to know better, young enough not to care." |
| 17:21.05 | Cairenn | Lunessa: *nod* same diff ;) |
| 17:22.38 | Cide | Cairenn said that? :P |
| 17:22.57 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty close. *grin* |
| 17:23.02 | Cairenn | Cide said that, paraphrasing me |
| 17:23.30 | Lopeppeppy | Good that we all think alike. |
| 17:23.55 | Thunder_Child | scary though |
| 17:24.40 | Duman | hmm |
| 17:27.16 | Lunessa | So, exactly how do you drag to dinos to dinner? Are we kiting them? Hunter traps? Scare Beast? |
| 17:27.30 | kd3 | tame pet |
| 17:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 17:27.40 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:27.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait |
| 17:27.47 | Duman | LF1 BM hunter |
| 17:27.48 | Lopeppeppy | I am dino too. I will use secret dino techniques. |
| 17:27.49 | Lunessa | If I am not mistaken, both are already "tamed". |
| 17:28.01 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, that makes them more tractable! |
| 17:29.20 | Thunder_Child | actually, the offer of good food and fine company works wonders. |
| 17:29.23 | ccox | I'm not sure Cairenn is tameable... |
| 17:29.29 | Thunder_Child | too bad they wont find either |
| 17:31.40 | Lunessa | Ahem... new rash of keylogger posts on UI & Macros forms. |
| 17:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* Of course, since it's a weekend. |
| 17:32.26 | Cairenn | Lunessa: which type "sex leg" or "I got a keylogger from XYZ site"? |
| 17:32.33 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.38 | kd3 | keylogger example: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956555755#7 |
| 17:33.10 | Cairenn | ah, that type |
| 17:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: as are the scripts injected into that page |
| 17:33.43 | Lunessa | what whois.net? |
| 17:33.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Er whoa |
| 17:33.52 | ScytheBlade1 | No the domain in question |
| 17:34.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a... oh, hijacked site |
| 17:34.19 | Lunessa | I didn't actually GO to the domain, I just looked it up and alarm bells went off. |
| 17:34.40 | Lunessa | I'm on a borrowed computer without all my security tools. |
| 17:35.51 | kd3 | oh geez |
| 17:35.55 | kd3 | last post: plague x48405 |
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| 17:36.15 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa can't play with ebola today, Shirik. |
| 17:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | The actual site is fine... the /images/whatever has been hijacked |
| 17:37.19 | Duman | nah, look at the source |
| 17:37.25 | Lunessa | And someone is trying to make hay while the sun is shining. |
| 17:39.22 | squidbear | hrm... music volume doesn't seem to change when someone talks into a mic (voice settings) when using PlayMusic() |
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| 17:44.10 | Lunessa | sheesh. They posted a lot. Damned scripts. |
| 17:45.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: great thing is that the post nuke button works wonders on them |
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| 17:46.26 | Lunessa | Yeah, well... on this particular forum, I don't have such access. |
| 17:46.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but it won't be long before they all go poof |
| 17:47.33 | Lunessa | True. Maybe I should go get foodz. |
| 17:47.47 | Anaral | What is an alternate xp/rep bar if I have Bartender 4? I used to use XParky, but since that's currently undergoing rewrite, I'm coming up short. |
| 17:48.02 | nevcairiel | Anaral: just use the xparky from WoWInterface, it works fine |
| 17:48.10 | Lunessa | Indeed. |
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| 17:49.46 | Cairenn | Seerah profiled a new one for our PotW last week: eXPeritia: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10760-eXPeritia.html |
| 17:49.56 | Cairenn | can look at it |
| 17:51.13 | Lunessa | looks nice. |
| 17:52.35 | Matrix110| | Anaral: just use the xparky from WoWInterface, it works fine <--- lol I actually thought its not working for half a year now and waited for the make it work update for ages |
| 17:53.47 | Lunessa | I got tired of smacking him for updates in IRC. I just use the WoWI version - works well enough. |
| 17:54.31 | Matrix110| | is it working on wotlk? |
| 17:54.38 | Matrix110| | the wowi version that is |
| 17:55.12 | Matrix110| | guess Ill try :D |
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| 17:56.14 | kd3 | huzzah, the keylogger links got purged |
| 17:56.19 | Anaral | It stopped working awhile back for me. But that may have been an accident on my part mixxing versions |
| 17:56.36 | Anaral | Matrix110|: When Beta first opened it worked fine. |
| 17:56.46 | Lunessa | In the beta, I'm shamefully using only the default UI and macros for grabbing key data for bug reports. |
| 17:56.50 | Anaral | Or rather, when I first got into Beta it worked. |
| 17:57.31 | Anaral | Boo, FW_Factionizer doesn't work with XParky. |
| 17:57.33 | Lunessa | ok... I'm AWAY for fooding. |
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| 17:57.45 | Anaral | And it was just a useful tool for when I didn't want to do math. |
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| 18:01.11 | Cairenn | Username: wotlk PM title: help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PM text: ok whats it mean ot b an addo n author and how do i do this i wnat the beta so bad |
| 18:01.20 | kd3 | lol |
| 18:01.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:01.35 | Xinhuan | haha |
| 18:02.02 | ccox | lol! |
| 18:02.12 | Cairenn | just another day in paradise |
| 18:02.19 | Adys | Sorry Cairenn, did I put so many exclamationmarks in that PM? |
| 18:02.40 | Cairenn | yes you did! |
| 18:02.54 | Adys | didnt mean to, really |
| 18:03.15 | Cairenn | response: If you have to ask, you aren't |
| 18:03.47 | Cairenn | what I wanted to also put: and with spelling like that, you never will be |
| 18:04.17 | Adys | 10 to 1 its a troll |
| 18:04.23 | Cairenn | ya think? |
| 18:04.30 | Adys | besides, I saw many coders who can't spell for the heck of it |
| 18:04.48 | Adys | as in *really* cant spell |
| 18:04.58 | krka | wat dou yo meen? |
| 18:05.35 | Adys | it's funny actually |
| 18:05.43 | Cairenn | that concept completely boggles my mind, even if it isn't a new one - how the hell can you write code, which has to be so exact, if you can't even spell |
| 18:06.17 | Adys | they keep to their own spelling |
| 18:06.23 | Adys | theres so many people who cant spell "what" properly actually |
| 18:06.25 | Cairenn | code isn't forgiving of mistakes |
| 18:06.33 | Adys | altho I never see "meen" |
| 18:06.46 | Adys | yeah Cairenn its weird |
| 18:07.01 | Cairenn | Meen like neen! |
| 18:07.10 | Cairenn | errr, sorry, EQ flash backs |
| 18:07.14 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, i guess that means with that kind of spelling i could have wrote it |
| 18:09.11 | krka | Cairenn: language spelling is not really related to programming spelling |
| 18:09.18 | Adys | Yea |
| 18:09.32 | krka | language spelling is more like not actually knowing the language fully, or simply not caring to learn |
| 18:09.38 | krka | in programming, you are forced to spell correctly |
| 18:09.42 | Thunder_Child | esp it's cut 'n paste coding |
| 18:10.08 | Adys | wish people could copypaste irl. |
| 18:10.24 | krka | then there's of course those who misspell on purpose to be cool or whatever |
| 18:10.27 | Cairenn | I know, but there's at least a modicum of spelling knowledge required |
| 18:10.31 | Thunder_Child | i can....usually ends up with someone dead though |
| 18:10.36 | Adys | wat r u talkin bout krka |
| 18:10.42 | krka | some of us have long ago realized that coolness will be unattainable :/ |
| 18:10.52 | ccox | ur rit tht is kul |
| 18:11.19 | Slakah | bt i jst wnna belng |
| 18:11.24 | Thunder_Child | *cough* kick ban *cough* |
| 18:11.33 | Adys | kckbanwut |
| 18:13.55 | Kalroth | Even the worst illiterate can still code in LUA! |
| 18:14.51 | Thunder_Child | but the good people code in Lua |
| 18:18.33 | NightHawkTheSane | no, the good people code in python. ;) |
| 18:19.15 | Kalroth | Perl! |
| 18:19.24 | NightHawkTheSane | no. no one good codes in perl. |
| 18:19.37 | Iriel | Whatever's appropriate for the job at hand! |
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| 18:21.18 | Kalroth | Iriel "codes" in VB. |
| 18:21.22 | Kalroth | I got proof! |
| 18:21.22 | NightHawkTheSane | hahaha... http://notalwaysright.com/kitteh-sez-stfu/1203 |
| 18:21.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Kalroth: i code in vb. :( |
| 18:21.37 | NightHawkTheSane | for work, but still. >< |
| 18:21.38 | Iriel | I've never had the displeasure of VB |
| 18:22.35 | foxlit | Hm, VB |
| 18:22.45 | foxlit | Come to think of it, nothing is terribly bad with it :) |
| 18:22.45 | End | I did a little VB like...10 years ago |
| 18:22.49 | End | it was like VB 3 |
| 18:22.58 | End | that didn't last very long though |
| 18:23.04 | Kalroth | foxlit: You are _ |
| 18:23.10 | Kalroth | foxlit: right, there is nothing _ |
| 18:23.15 | Kalroth | foxlit: wrong with VB. |
| 18:23.29 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: nothing is -terribly- bad with it, but it's got a number of annoying quirks, and nothing's terribly right with it. |
| 18:23.34 | foxlit | If your code doesn't fit in 80 chars / line, your design is flawed :) |
| 18:23.47 | foxlit | Its string implementation is terribly right |
| 18:24.31 | NightHawkTheSane | just about every good thing in vb is also in c# |
| 18:24.43 | Kalroth | VB uses & to concat strings :( |
| 18:25.03 | foxlit | Meh, you have to denote something as the operator |
| 18:25.15 | NightHawkTheSane | thats the least of its problems, i think. ;) |
| 18:25.21 | foxlit | If you imagine yourself as a high-level language, you really don't care too much about bitwise operators. |
| 18:25.37 | NightHawkTheSane | there's probably a .net library for that anyway |
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| 18:43.41 | Tem | foxlit, no |
| 18:43.44 | Tem | VB is horrible |
| 18:43.57 | Tem | case insensitive languages can go die in a fucking fire |
| 18:44.38 | Xinhuan | the IDE is smart enough to rename all instances of the variable to the correct case, if you change the case of one variable though |
| 18:44.40 | foxlit | Are you sure it's the languages, rather than people who rely on case-sensitivity to distinguish tokens? |
| 18:46.19 | Tem | Duman, ping? |
| 18:49.54 | Kalroth | foxlit is a VB lover, foxlit is a VB lover, neener neener |
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| 18:51.34 | Tem | Have they re-enabled UB rank 2? |
| 18:53.07 | Xinhuan | no |
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| 18:53.19 | Xinhuan | well i don't think so at least |
| 18:55.22 | Tem | damn |
| 18:55.25 | Tem | that makes me sad |
| 18:55.31 | Tem | oh well |
| 18:55.36 | Tem | one more level until I can use it again |
| 18:58.18 | Tem | is the northrend world server currently down? |
| 18:58.20 | Tem | is that why I can |
| 18:58.21 | Tem | 't |
| 18:58.23 | Tem | zone |
| 18:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I think |
| 18:58.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I just tried to log in and failed |
| 18:58.39 | Tem | I hope I'm not stuck in limbo |
| 18:58.52 | Tem | I just accepted a summon from Ebon Hold |
| 18:59.11 | Tem | and I've been at the loading screen for ~4 minutes now |
| 18:59.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got to say I'm incredibly tempted to level on an absurdely low pop server after having played early beta |
| 18:59.46 | Tem | why? |
| 18:59.55 | Tem | you don't think all these bugs will persist, do you? |
| 19:00.05 | Tem | surely you're not that naive |
| 19:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, to compete with fewer people :P |
| 19:00.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: world server is down, fyi. ;) |
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| 19:01.05 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, aaah |
| 19:01.13 | Tem | that's why I'm going to level a DK first |
| 19:01.28 | Tem | my beta experience will allow me to get ahead of the unwashed masses |
| 19:01.29 | NightHawkTheSane | also.. does anyone else notice the beta trying to connect to the ip '2.0.0.0' when you log in? >.> |
| 19:02.00 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: no, but now you just gave me a reason to fire up wireshark |
| 19:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | THIS NEVER GOES GOOD PLACES |
| 19:02.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: this is why i run LittlSnitch. ;) |
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| 19:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, an OSX app |
| 19:02.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. handy one at that. |
| 19:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | What's it do? |
| 19:03.23 | NightHawkTheSane | it allows you to allow/deny outgoing traffic based on a set of rules, and alerts you when any app tries to make an outgoing connection that it doesn't have a rule for |
| 19:03.30 | Tem | is it me or is this a long world server death? |
| 19:03.51 | NightHawkTheSane | it's more or less a reverse firewall. ;) |
| 19:04.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, that's an actual firewall. What we have now for most consumers are pretty weak and stupid. |
| 19:05.02 | Xinhuan | sounds like zonealarm |
| 19:05.38 | Tem | uhhhhh |
| 19:05.43 | Tem | the fuck? |
| 19:05.47 | Tem | the world server is up |
| 19:05.54 | Tem | but I can't zone in |
| 19:06.04 | Tem | people are in Borean |
| 19:06.12 | Tem | but my DK gets "World server is down" |
| 19:06.17 | Xinhuan | try a different character |
| 19:06.34 | Xinhuan | make a lvl 1 or something |
| 19:06.43 | Tem | I just logged in on another toon who was in shatt |
| 19:06.56 | Tem | did a /who borean |
| 19:07.10 | Xinhuan | PM one of them to see if they are lagged out |
| 19:07.20 | Tem | hmmm |
| 19:07.28 | Tem | my druid is having trouble logging in as well |
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| 19:10.08 | NightHawkTheSane | that was fun and exciting |
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| 19:13.42 | Thunder_Child | easily amused NightHawkTheSane? |
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| 19:20.15 | jaxdahl | is there a wotlk compatible version of cartographer? |
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| 19:23.22 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe.. "plant the hardpacked explosive bundle near frostgut's altar, kill tormar frostgut, and then escape the cave before it collapses on you." quest name? "A Flawless Plan" <-- this can only end well. |
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| 19:32.09 | Tem | oh crao |
| 19:32.10 | Tem | p |
| 19:32.15 | Tem | is the world server down atm? |
| 19:32.35 | Lopeppeppy | Just for you, yes. :) |
| 19:32.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: i'm currently in game just fine, but it's been off and on recently |
| 19:33.04 | Tem | sigh |
| 19:33.09 | Tem | I'm stuck at loading screen again |
| 19:36.29 | NightHawkTheSane | on the up side, the lag appears to be mostly gone, for me at least :) |
| 19:44.46 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: i found your clone! Anduin! |
| 19:44.56 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 19:45.21 | JoshBorke | there's an anduin in a channel i'm idling in |
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| 19:59.22 | foxlit | http://live.eclipse.org/node/543 << I really should get this set up |
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| 20:08.19 | smcn | "We have a plan to make smarter tooltips (for characters too) in a Lich King patch." awesome. |
| 20:08.38 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah? What's a "smart" tooltip, plx to explain? |
| 20:08.44 | Lopeppeppy | IQ above 10, or what? |
| 20:08.52 | Duman | ? |
| 20:09.18 | smcn | it means you'll be able to actually tell how much damage something does without drdmg :P |
| 20:09.42 | Lopeppeppy | Tooltip is a bit big to look at all the time. |
| 20:10.01 | Dashkal | I so wish... http://notalwaysright.com/a-good-ol-fashioned-a-whoopin/1139 |
| 20:10.24 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe even seeing the ACTUAL bonus that fort is giving you? >.> |
| 20:10.36 | smcn | NightHawkTheSane yeah that's what i'm hoping it expands to :P |
| 20:10.52 | Duman | smcn what are you quoting, btw? |
| 20:10.53 | Lopeppeppy | Dashkal, I wish too. |
| 20:11.06 | smcn | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/3/9956306095-bug-pet-damage-completely-off.html |
| 20:11.44 | smcn | "a lich king patch" means 3.1 or later, but at least it's something |
| 20:12.09 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 20:12.19 | NightHawkTheSane | better than "yeah.. we'd like to do something about that.. eventually" |
| 20:13.31 | Adys | Is there any good tutorial on creating scrollable frames? |
| 20:15.47 | Fisker- | hopefully they'll make tooltips dynamic as well >:3 |
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| 20:16.07 | Gngsk | adys, I think there's a fauxscrollframe tutorial on the wiki |
| 20:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ~FauxScrollFrame |
| 20:17.03 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, fauxscrollframe is one of the first Lua/XML systems written by Blizzard for the WoW user interface. Its learning curve resembles an inverted L, and Zootfizzle hates it. Along with cogs, it is in the top five on his "dead to me" list. |
| 20:17.14 | ScytheBlade1 | You would have heard correctly |
| 20:17.38 | Gngsk | so what's the alternative? |
| 20:18.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Writing your own FauxScrollingFrame, or using a generic ScrollFrame |
| 20:18.22 | Adys | I was looking how the achievement UI scrolling is handled (since the gui i want to create is similar) |
| 20:18.27 | ScytheBlade1 | The concept behind the FauxScrollingFrame template is fine, just using the one provided by the UI is not |
| 20:18.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be a ScrollFrame |
| 20:18.45 | Kaso | I didnt know Faux scroll was one of the first, but now i know it, it does make alot of sense |
| 20:19.58 | ScytheBlade1 | The FauxScrollingFrame example in WoWProgramming was simple, straightforward, and workable |
| 20:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | The provided template is anything but |
| 20:20.45 | Adys | Should I go with a regular scrollframe then? |
| 20:20.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Really depends on what you're doing |
| 20:21.44 | Adys | simple list with text and embedded textures/icons |
| 20:21.48 | Adys | a bit AH-like |
| 20:21.53 | Lunessa | I have returned |
| 20:21.58 | ScytheBlade1 | AH uses a FauxScrolling type method |
| 20:22.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It boils down to your desire to have smooth scrolling (like quests, pages of text) or scrolling like the AH (where you have a fixed number of rows |
| 20:22.53 | Adys | I see |
| 20:23.03 | Adys | smooth scrolling, really |
| 20:23.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you use a ScrollFrame |
| 20:23.28 | ScytheBlade1 | The achievement dialog also uses a scroll frame |
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| 20:25.28 | Adys | found some resources about it, if you know any solid one though Im taker :) |
| 20:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Solid...? |
| 20:25.56 | Adys | s/solid/detailed/ |
| 20:26.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, I don't, sorry |
| 20:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | On the internet anyway :P |
| 20:26.57 | kd3 | ah... fark: [Followup] Russian troops withdraw from western Georgia, may occupy Alabama |
| 20:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:27.08 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 20:27.48 | Lopeppeppy | ROFL, kd3. |
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| 20:29.52 | kd3 | and yay for old news from the onion hitting the front page on digg: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28315 |
| 20:32.02 | Adys | [23:29:27] <kd3> and yay for the onion hitting the front page on digg: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28315 |
| 20:32.04 | Adys | fixed |
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| 20:40.21 | Lunessa | Good lord... I've just about all I can stand patching and repatching and patching again to get WoW installed on this computer. |
| 20:40.56 | Lopeppeppy | CD copy of the patches once they are installed. |
| 20:41.40 | Lunessa | ... I'm getting another external drive and moving my WoW Installs to that. Then when I have to evac again, no problem. |
| 20:41.43 | Corrodias | copy the WoW folder from an existing installation |
| 20:42.04 | foxlit | What cataclysmic event is causing people to reinstall wow, anyway? |
| 20:42.08 | Lunessa | Corrodias: I'd love to but I can't RDP to my machine in Galveston. |
| 20:42.25 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i'm going to go with a hurricane. |
| 20:42.53 | Lunessa | At least the puppies and the kitteh are keeping me company while I patch. |
| 20:42.59 | cbreak | I reinstalled WoW when I moved from Windows to Mac OS X |
| 20:43.16 | foxlit | Hm, good point |
| 20:43.26 | foxlit | I installed wow on OSX, too |
| 20:43.41 | foxlit | But I can't remember any pain associated with that... odd. |
| 20:44.24 | cbreak | maybe you already had all the Gigabytes of patches :) |
| 20:44.35 | foxlit | They'd be in the wrong format |
| 20:45.09 | foxlit | Ah, I think I see. |
| 20:45.10 | cbreak | I wonder |
| 20:45.13 | foxlit | It was a year ago :) |
| 20:47.09 | Lunessa | I have an WoW Install on Windows XP, Windows Vista and Mac OS X (10.5) - but the external drive is all Mac OSX and there's no Mac here to play on. |
| 20:47.22 | foxlit | But hey, as long as you're torrenting, you can get 2.3.0 for free, and patch from there |
| 20:47.42 | cbreak | the data files should be the same in both osx and win versions |
| 20:48.07 | foxlit | wrapper isn't |
| 20:48.16 | Lunessa | Yes, but there's no FireWire port on this XP box. |
| 20:48.19 | cbreak | yes. detail :) |
| 20:48.42 | Lopeppeppy | Darn XP box. |
| 20:48.44 | foxlit | Also assuming unchanging client :) |
| 20:48.45 | Lunessa | So I just grabbed the installers from the WoW site, and patching them up. |
| 20:49.17 | Lunessa | I really should just get a kick-ass MacBook Pro. |
| 20:49.35 | foxlit | mm! |
| 20:49.46 | foxlit | You might want to wait for them to update |
| 20:54.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: installing/patching live or beta? |
| 20:54.43 | ScytheBlade1 | (I kinda just mirrored all of the needed patches for beta today..) |
| 20:54.54 | Lunessa | Right now, live. Because beta bitches if I don't patch live. |
| 20:55.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 20:55.20 | Lunessa | I still have all the beta patches to go. |
| 20:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I can probably be of help |
| 20:55.38 | Lunessa | I'm thinking by the time I get them installed, I will be ready to go home. |
| 21:00.36 | smcn | damn it all my jewelcrafter is stuck in "a character with that name already exists" limbo.. even when i log on another character |
| 21:04.20 | Lunessa | login as another toon and send them a few /tells. |
| 21:04.46 | NightHawkTheSane | and then, if you get a reply.. be very worried |
| 21:05.36 | Lunessa | Occasionally, this makes the server notice the toon isn't really logged in anymore. However, if you get a response from Keanu Reeves about the lovely lake house, you're on your own. |
| 21:05.54 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 21:06.02 | Lopeppeppy | If you get that response, let me know. :) |
| 21:06.15 | Lunessa | Peppy wants in on that action. :) |
| 21:06.31 | NightHawkTheSane | 'woah' |
| 21:06.53 | Lunessa | "Gnarly point breaks." |
| 21:07.00 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is bored off her behind, 'cause her car doesn't go and she's stuck at home. |
| 21:07.14 | Lunessa | She has IRC, WoW and a Kitteh. |
| 21:07.44 | Corrodias | there's always porn |
| 21:07.47 | Lopeppeppy | I do, Lunessa... but I'm only IRCing. Kitty is angry that the visitors went away without feeding her and she's sulking upstairs. |
| 21:08.01 | Lunessa | Poor Kendra |
| 21:08.01 | Lopeppeppy | Corrodias, that gets boring too. I know, shock, gasp... but it's true. |
| 21:08.14 | Corrodias | yes, i have been bored before |
| 21:08.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, Kendra cat is so abused, no visitors ever feed her. *laugh* |
| 21:08.23 | Lunessa | *sulk* |
| 21:08.26 | Corrodias | i didn't know whether you've already bored yourself with porn yet, though |
| 21:08.32 | Corrodias | already yet |
| 21:08.34 | Lopeppeppy | I'd feed you if you visited, Lunessa. I'm like that. |
| 21:08.49 | Lopeppeppy | Corrodias, it's repetitive and inane. Erotica at least has a plot, somewhat. |
| 21:09.39 | Lunessa | I just had lunch... and my misanthropic brother tell me he didn't want to have lunch today. He's going to wait until our window of possible visits is restrained to 20-30 mins... because that's all he can stand of other humans. |
| 21:11.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yowch, Lunessa. That's hard sometimes. |
| 21:11.56 | Corrodias | yeah, well... meh to you |
| 21:11.58 | Lunessa | Heh, he's a lot like me. Not very social. |
| 21:13.18 | Lopeppeppy | At least I'm a girl admitting to watching/reading porn/erotica... that's a step ahead. |
| 21:14.07 | kd3 | anyone on northrend recently? |
| 21:14.10 | Corrodias | i am currently bored, while i wait for my food to heat up |
| 21:14.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. food. |
| 21:14.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i ought to consider eating sometime today |
| 21:15.39 | Lunessa | BonusActionBar !=Special Action Buttons? |
| 21:15.43 | Lopeppeppy | I have mint chocolate chip ice cream |
| 21:16.17 | Corrodias | the bonus bar is... |
| 21:16.33 | Corrodias | now if only i could remember. was that for pet commands? |
| 21:16.46 | Lunessa | I think shapeshifting. |
| 21:16.59 | Lunessa | I'm just trying to look something up. |
| 21:17.00 | Corrodias | could be |
| 21:17.42 | Lunessa | BounsBar looks like from code to be shapeshift/stance/aura buttons. |
| 21:17.54 | NightHawkTheSane | I believe it is |
| 21:18.33 | Lunessa | Which are keybindable as "Special Action Buttons" in the default UI, yes? |
| 21:19.07 | Corrodias | sounds right. you can try it, but thinking back, that sounds awfully familiar |
| 21:19.18 | Corrodias | before i used any bar addons, i think that's what i had to bind for my shapes |
| 21:21.34 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, Special Action Button bindings are shapeshift/aura/stance buttons |
| 21:21.59 | NightHawkTheSane | 'Secondary Action Button' bindings are pet bar buttons |
| 21:23.19 | Lunessa | Yeah, that's what I thought. |
| 21:23.36 | Lunessa | Thanks guys. |
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| 21:32.22 | Syzgyn | kd3: Yep |
| 21:32.59 | kd3 | how's the server lag been? |
| 21:33.48 | Syzgyn | Still pretty terrible |
| 21:33.53 | kd3 | blah |
| 21:34.11 | Syzgyn | In fact, I just reloaded and now everyone is running in place |
| 21:34.44 | smcn | yeah last night i ran UK hoping instances would be better, i was wrong :( |
| 21:35.02 | Syzgyn | Theyre a bit better |
| 21:35.56 | Duman | I'm TRYING to log in |
| 21:35.59 | Duman | stuck at full loading bar |
| 21:36.00 | Duman | :( |
| 21:36.13 | Fisker- | why so srs? |
| 21:36.42 | Syzgyn | Server just booted me off |
| 21:37.12 | Duman | whoreld server down |
| 21:37.23 | Lopeppeppy | Surprise, it's raining again. |
| 21:37.25 | Lopeppeppy | So excited |
| 21:37.30 | Syzgyn | Wow, my premade transfered in < 10 minutes |
| 21:37.30 | Duman | rain? |
| 21:37.37 | Syzgyn | Lopeppeppy: Share? :D |
| 21:37.47 | Duman | it's like 73 out today... really nice |
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| 21:40.55 | Duman | le sigh. |
| 21:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | Syzgyn, it doesn't pack well, not enough ziplocks |
| 21:43.39 | Syzgyn | A shame |
| 21:52.11 | [Liquidor] | Yo guys. Someone once tried to create a text-to-speech lib. Does anyone remember who and how it went? |
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| 21:55.55 | Lunessa | [Liquidor]: You can use the M$ one under windows. Should come up on a google search. |
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| 21:58.27 | kd3 | anyone on macs know the full path for the preload data? trying to update http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors#Background_Downloader |
| 21:58.38 | Lopeppeppy | No Stairway to Heaven. Denied! |
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| 22:00.58 | Lunessa | OMG. Finally on the last patch for live. |
| 22:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: why FTP > HTTP for the site listing there? |
| 22:01.12 | Syzgyn | Wee |
| 22:01.16 | MentalPower | [Liquidor]: if you're asking the one for WoW it was Guillotine |
| 22:01.31 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: /path/to/WoW/Updates/WoW-2.4.3-to-3.0.1-TBC-USMX-Update/ I believe |
| 22:01.36 | kd3 | we should be sorting it by site name. ftp/httpd doesn't matter... or it shouldn't |
| 22:02.06 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Emphasis last bit of that |
| 22:02.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Am I just misunderstanding? |
| 22:02.26 | Lunessa | He's looking for local path |
| 22:02.29 | MentalPower | isin't ftp more efficient or whatever? |
| 22:02.33 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 22:02.34 | Lunessa | On the users machine. |
| 22:02.58 | foxlit | You can't serve ads through FTP |
| 22:02.59 | ScytheBlade1 | FTP has quite a bit more protocol overhead, is a major pain with NAT, and generally requires more upkeep than simple HTTP |
| 22:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | (*stabs FTP over and over and over*) |
| 22:03.27 | Corrodias | FTP has nothing against it that HTTP doesn't |
| 22:03.33 | foxlit | I think the general intention is to say "screw you, people attempting to make money by providing a service" |
| 22:03.37 | Corrodias | well okay, you need to open a few more ports |
| 22:03.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes it does, a different port for control/data plus the awesome ability to just simply break or do nothing when NAT enters the arena |
| 22:03.54 | Corrodias | i mean in terms of NAT |
| 22:04.27 | Corrodias | that is a pretty silly design, i admit |
| 22:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a reason why "active" and "passive" modes exist for FTP servers/clients, and that is only to work around broken firewalls (NAT) |
| 22:04.33 | foxlit | Corrodias: if you're not fire-walling traffic very vehemently, passive mode won't require anything |
| 22:05.28 | ScytheBlade1 | FTP is impossible between two hosts that are both behind NAT, unless you forward a very large number of ports to the server. |
| 22:06.03 | foxlit | So is any other protocol, yeah? :) |
| 22:06.03 | Corrodias | well, you do have like 65,000 ports you can use |
| 22:06.13 | Jamash | *anything* is difficult between two hosts behind NAT |
| 22:06.14 | Corrodias | subtract a few thousand for everything else and assume you only have 50,000 left |
| 22:06.21 | MentalPower | why do you want FTP between two NATed devices? |
| 22:06.44 | Corrodias | MentalPower: i've had an FTP server on my computer at home before, to remotely get files i wanted from another computer |
| 22:06.44 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: nah, HTTP requires a single port and one connection petiod. FTP requires two ports minimum, one of which is defined by the RFC as "randomly assigned" |
| 22:07.16 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: s/FTP/communicate/ and the reason pops into play pretty quickly. |
| 22:07.17 | Corrodias | Jamash: not if you have access to router configuration |
| 22:07.31 | MentalPower | granted |
| 22:07.32 | Duman | PASV! |
| 22:07.54 | Corrodias | passive mode means that the client initiates another connection to the server on the defined port |
| 22:07.58 | Duman | actually, lots of NAT mechanisms will rewrite FTP PORT requests |
| 22:08.00 | Corrodias | you have to have that one open too, on the server |
| 22:08.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed @ Duman |
| 22:08.17 | foxlit | Point is, servers usually aren't behind NATs |
| 22:08.18 | ScytheBlade1 | But dirty hacks are dirty -.- |
| 22:08.30 | Corrodias | i don't see why not, foxlit |
| 22:08.43 | Jamash | I use SSH to transfer files |
| 22:08.45 | Corrodias | maybe that's reality, but it's hardly a necessity |
| 22:09.03 | ScytheBlade1 | SSH ftw |
| 22:09.22 | Corrodias | people are so down on NATs. is it because they don't know how to use a router, or is it because they're always connected through routers they can't control? |
| 22:09.52 | NightHawkTheSane | often the latter |
| 22:10.01 | NightHawkTheSane | although don't discount the former. :p |
| 22:11.15 | Lunessa | But the owner and his son were a different story. We had to beat them to death with their own shoes. |
| 22:11.43 | Lopeppeppy | This is a fully functioning babe lair |
| 22:12.45 | Lunessa | If you're gonna spew, spew in this. |
| 22:13.05 | kd3 | WTF... ptr downloader is up |
| 22:13.15 | Lunessa | And my favorite... "Zhang!" |
| 22:13.21 | kd3 | 3.0.2.8916 |
| 22:13.28 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: run for your life, the mobs, they come for you! |
| 22:13.34 | Lunessa | kd3 they're pre-downloading 3.0 data on live too. |
| 22:13.54 | kd3 | ya, I've got that 820 meg download already |
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| 22:14.43 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: NATs are evil because they break normal networking |
| 22:15.12 | Lopeppeppy | The computer that small, Lunessa? |
| 22:15.25 | kd3 | holy hell |
| 22:15.28 | kd3 | the PTR download is 900MB |
| 22:15.33 | Corrodias | i've always wondered how anything behind a NAT can communicate, but i suppose the router keeps track of open connections |
| 22:15.34 | kd3 | way to not combine data, blizz |
| 22:15.35 | Lunessa | Seems I'm filling the drive pretty quickly with all these patches. |
| 22:15.48 | Fisker- | nahuh 1.07GB here kd3 :O |
| 22:15.49 | bleeter | kd3: the preload and PTR are seperate builds? |
| 22:15.53 | Fisker- | but we're EU of course |
| 22:15.56 | bleeter | screw downloading that crap again |
| 22:16.03 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 22:16.09 | Fisker- | Why not just use our existing preload |
| 22:16.13 | Fisker- | makes no sense to me |
| 22:16.13 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 22:16.22 | kd3 | bleeter; yea |
| 22:16.28 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: i think most 'NAT's actually use a combination of NAT and PAT |
| 22:16.30 | Jamash | yeah I'm not sure I want to bother downloading the same data three times |
| 22:16.30 | bleeter | I'm already at the edge of my bandwidth for the month, thanks to preload and beta |
| 22:16.32 | kd3 | which is absolutely idiotic |
| 22:16.58 | Corrodias | hm, i've never heard of PAT :o |
| 22:17.05 | Corrodias | except on SNL, "It's Pat!" |
| 22:17.18 | Arrowmaster | port address translation |
| 22:17.28 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_address_translation |
| 22:17.43 | bleeter | kd3: still, there's no PTR forum. I wonder if it's an internal text box and the page is snafu |
| 22:17.54 | bleeter | kd3: actually, no, I lie... the PTR copy page take one to the EU PTR forum |
| 22:18.05 | bleeter | *US PTR copy page |
| 22:18.07 | kd3 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/charcopy/downloads.html |
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| 22:18.21 | kd3 | ^ presumably fallout from the half-baked solution they did for premades on beta |
| 22:18.29 | bleeter | yeah, click the link at the bottom there... takes me to EU PTR forum |
| 22:18.45 | bleeter | kd3: I'm thinking it's QA's first 3.0.1 internal build |
| 22:18.47 | Corrodias | i see, Arrowmaster. well, i need to read these. |
| 22:19.00 | bleeter | I mean, we don't even have talents yet finalised in Wrath, do we? |
| 22:19.07 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 22:19.09 | ScytheBlade1 | not at all |
| 22:19.10 | kd3 | no |
| 22:19.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah basicly all NAT devices as you probably know them actually use PAT which is a subset of NAT |
| 22:19.16 | bleeter | or maybe it's just a PTR preload... /shrug |
| 22:19.16 | ScytheBlade1 | They haven't even pushed their first "numbers phase" |
| 22:19.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And you know there will be several of those |
| 22:19.23 | bleeter | still, yeah, way to not split data blizz |
| 22:19.28 | Arrowmaster | but PAT works at a higher OSI level |
| 22:19.29 | Corrodias | well that's good |
| 22:19.30 | Fisker- | Just because they're not done testing the beta doesn't mean they can't test in live |
| 22:19.35 | Corrodias | makes me wonder what kind of scary shit regular NAT is |
| 22:19.43 | kd3 | ya. I really need to bitch at QA for that. stupid, stupid move |
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| 22:20.02 | Fisker- | Infact it only makes sense to get as much data as possible |
| 22:21.07 | bleeter | I'm curious as to why the EU PTR forum is active, and we don't even have a US PTR forum |
| 22:21.24 | kd3 | because they don't take down the eu forum |
| 22:21.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Because they never turned the EU forum back off |
| 22:21.30 | foxlit | EU > US. har har. |
| 22:21.48 | Fisker- | nah |
| 22:21.52 | Fisker- | Just mean they're incompetent |
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| 22:21.59 | Fisker- | We haven't even gotten links reenabled yet |
| 22:22.14 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: yeah a pure NAT without PAT basicly breaks most protocals including tcp udp and icmp |
| 22:22.41 | Corrodias | doesn't sound too useful :o |
| 22:22.51 | bleeter | kd3: when you rant at QA/Whoever, please don't hesitate to sign on behalf of me! :) |
| 22:23.16 | bleeter | if it weren't 08:20 on a sunday morning, id' be stabbing wallabies about now ;) |
| 22:25.11 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: really even the best NATs (including any subsets such as PAT) still cause much more networking problems than they are worth, plus they provide a false sense of security since a lot of people use them as hardware firewalls when really they arent anything like a true hardware firewall |
| 22:25.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Agreed 110% with that |
| 22:25.54 | Corrodias | they aren't? |
| 22:26.13 | Arrowmaster | theyre like a fake hardware firewall |
| 22:26.39 | Corrodias | from what i understand, incoming connections to unforwarded ports go nowhere. isn't that similar? |
| 22:26.45 | foxlit | What's the difference, considering they're configured properly? |
| 22:26.45 | Arrowmaster | since all they do is block any outside connections but allow all internal connections to go out |
| 22:26.47 | ScytheBlade1 | They're technically not even routers, they're devices doing pseudo-routing things |
| 22:27.05 | Corrodias | oh, you're using the bidirectional definition of firewall |
| 22:27.13 | Corrodias | certainly, i agree then |
| 22:28.04 | Arrowmaster | a true firewall runs on rules |
| 22:28.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Ultimately IPv6 will kill NAT almost entirely. It's just a matter of getting IPv6 in usage >_> |
| 22:28.20 | kd3 | sbo; probably as soon as the US switches to metric |
| 22:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl irl |
| 22:28.37 | ScytheBlade1 | sad but probably entirely too true |
| 22:28.40 | Jamash | IP6 will happen when every IP address allocated to the US is used up |
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| 22:28.45 | Corrodias | ScytheBlade1: well, that's assuming your ISP allows multiple addresses per account. on the other hand, i don't know much about ipv6. maybe it's impossible for them to restrict that. |
| 22:28.53 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: do you know any info on the state of ipv6 adoption? like how much of the backbones are actually supporting it yet? |
| 22:28.56 | Fisker- | heh |
| 22:29.00 | Fisker- | here is pretty fucked |
| 22:29.09 | Fisker- | ISP's are only allowed by law to give out 2 ip addresses |
| 22:29.15 | Fisker- | counter terrorism ftw |
| 22:29.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: well. If ISPs pass out a single IP to every customer, those ISPs are retarded. |
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| 22:29.43 | Corrodias | that's how it works in Wisconsin, as far as i know. unless you buy a deal that has more than one IP included |
| 22:29.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: I can get (and have) a free IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnel, with a /64 and a /48 subnet of IPs assigned to me |
| 22:29.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: out of /128. ........... |
| 22:30.06 | Corrodias | most of us run off a single, dynamically-assigned IP. some have a single, static one. |
| 22:30.10 | Corrodias | home users, anyway |
| 22:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 22:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | let me add this |
| 22:30.20 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2^32 |
| 22:30.20 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 4294967296 |
| 22:30.23 | ScytheBlade1 | IPv6 has a 'stateless autoconfig' mode |
| 22:30.23 | JoshBorke | why wouldn't an ISP only give a residential customer 1 ip? |
| 22:30.27 | squidbear | why does the music not play? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96005 |
| 22:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Vista works out of the box with it |
| 22:30.29 | Arrowmaster | number of ipv4 addresses ^ |
| 22:30.42 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: reserved blocks |
| 22:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Stateless autoconfig *requires* a /64 subnet handed out fo the routers in front of those devices |
| 22:31.02 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: yeah i know over half the ipv4 addresses are reserved and not used last i checked |
| 22:31.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, it would *require* either handing out a /64 to a customer, or handing out an unliminited number of /128s to individual customer machines |
| 22:31.24 | Corrodias | i'm afraid i don't understand what /64 means. i'm feeling the water getting over my head, so maybe i should just duck out of the conversation now so i don't drown in unfamiliar terms |
| 22:31.36 | Corrodias | i used to, but i no longer remember |
| 22:31.45 | kd3 | http://xkcd.com/195/ |
| 22:31.47 | Arrowmaster | its a subneting term |
| 22:31.48 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: he's just talking about the number of bits masked off and handed to customers |
| 22:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: IPv6 is 128 bits. A /64 subnet means you have access to 64 of those 128 bits locally |
| 22:32.06 | JoshBorke | 128 being all bits masked off |
| 22:32.26 | bleeter | Xinhuan: so, I got one toon back in the guild I was mentioning the other day... 'Are we still looking for 2.2k heals for Kara'... reply:'Minimum' |
| 22:32.33 | Arrowmaster | meaning ScytheBlade1's ipv6 tunnel broker has given him more ipv6 addresses than there are ipv4 addresses |
| 22:32.34 | Corrodias | wow |
| 22:32.38 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 22:32.42 | Xinhuan | hhehe |
| 22:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | A lot more than just regular ipv4 addresses |
| 22:32.49 | squidbear | anyone? :\ |
| 22:32.53 | Corrodias | doesn't that severaly limit the number of addresses available to late users? |
| 22:32.56 | bleeter | really dunno what to say to that |
| 22:32.58 | JoshBorke | which is just dumb |
| 22:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I have something stupid like 9013285x the number of total Ipv4 addresses |
| 22:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: no... sec, let me pull this up |
| 22:33.13 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: no, because the thought is that there are plenty of ipv6 addresses |
| 22:33.21 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2^32, 2^128 |
| 22:33.21 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 4294967296, 3.4028236692094e+38 |
| 22:33.24 | Jamash | if you have a /64 you have the number of ip4 addresses *squared* |
| 22:33.31 | kd3 | there's a horrendous amount of IPv6 addresses |
| 22:33.38 | ScytheBlade1 | To put this into perspective: there are currently 130 million people born each year. If this number of births remains the same until the sun goes dark in 5 billion years, and all of these people live to be 72 years old, they can all have 53 times the address space of the IPv4 Internet for every second of their lives. Let nobody accuse the IETF of being frugal this time around. |
| 22:33.42 | Corrodias | shrug, okay |
| 22:33.43 | kd3 | which is good if the thoughts that our toasters will be getting IPv6-enabled at some point |
| 22:33.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: ^ |
| 22:33.50 | Arrowmaster | thats a 3 with 38 zeros |
| 22:34.14 | Corrodias | i won't complain about having a lot of addresses available to me. assuming the ISP's don't try to prevent that. |
| 22:34.17 | NightHawkTheSane | man, i dont know if i want my toaster on the internet. |
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| 22:34.20 | squidbear | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/96005 >___>; |
| 22:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that's the trick. The ISPs. |
| 22:34.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: they'll probably make you pay extra for each additional ipv6 ip. ;) |
| 22:34.35 | Jamash | the only problem with IP6 is writing down those huge-ass addresses |
| 22:34.45 | Arrowmaster | thats what dns is for |
| 22:34.46 | Corrodias | i have no delusion that they'll do anything that benefits anything other than their profit margins |
| 22:34.46 | kd3 | yay for dnx6 |
| 22:34.47 | JoshBorke | Jamash: that's why you can omit the 0's |
| 22:34.50 | kd3 | s/dnx/dns/ |
| 22:34.59 | Arrowmaster | ::1 |
| 22:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Jamash: and I can now say that, after having routed Ipv6 to my servers and to my home, it's a non-issue. |
| 22:35.13 | Jamash | that's good |
| 22:35.16 | Corrodias | making people pay for more than one IP is the perfect strategy for them |
| 22:35.44 | ScytheBlade1 | The only thing I got out of routing IPv6 to my home was that Ipv4 is *tiny*, and in practice IPv6 addresses aren't as painful as one initially thinks |
| 22:36.18 | bleeter | Xinhuan: on your behalf, I just asked how one can get 2.2k heals |
| 22:36.36 | bleeter | 'PvP gear and gems' apparently |
| 22:36.44 | Arrowmaster | although a lot of us in networking have gotten so used to ipv4 addresses we can easily remember most of our important ones |
| 22:36.49 | Xinhuan | rofl |
| 22:36.50 | Lopeppeppy | bleeter: They are fun to have. |
| 22:37.02 | NightHawkTheSane | pvp gear and gems?!? |
| 22:37.18 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: .. so they want people sitting in s3/4 gear, epic gems.. to run kara? |
| 22:37.20 | Corrodias | worms and plastic minnows |
| 22:37.23 | bleeter | 'or badges' |
| 22:37.29 | Jamash | that guild is made of fail and loss |
| 22:37.31 | Shirik | Pop quiz: Does anyone know any kind of spider-like program that I can use to backup the HTML from a site? |
| 22:37.33 | Shirik | All forum topics, etc. |
| 22:37.35 | bleeter | that's a fuckload of heroics |
| 22:37.41 | JoshBorke | Shirik: wget |
| 22:37.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, ignoring the fact that pvp healing gear is pretty shitty for pve |
| 22:37.44 | Shirik | ... |
| 22:37.47 | Shirik | wget does not spider |
| 22:37.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ........ |
| 22:37.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 22:37.52 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:37.52 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 22:37.52 | ScytheBlade1 | FAIL! |
| 22:37.54 | Shirik | it doeS? |
| 22:37.55 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 22:37.55 | Jamash | bet you a dollar? |
| 22:37.59 | ScytheBlade1 | bet you $20? |
| 22:38.00 | Arrowmaster | read the manual? |
| 22:38.13 | Corrodias | a resto druid can have MUCH larger heals than that, can't they? |
| 22:38.23 | JoshBorke | ~failrik |
| 22:38.24 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:38.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: search the manpage for --recursive |
| 22:38.31 | Corrodias | or are we talking about some quick-cast spell, not long-cast spells? |
| 22:38.33 | Sixen | Whew, home.. |
| 22:38.33 | Arrowmaster | seriously the single greatest and most important command in linux/bsd/unix is man |
| 22:38.42 | Corrodias | or does it mean +2200 healing on gear? |
| 22:38.42 | foxlit | manpage? boo! |
| 22:38.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: he means 2.2k +healing |
| 22:38.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: also note the next option, --limit |
| 22:38.46 | foxlit | wget -- help! |
| 22:38.48 | Shirik | I said I'm looking at it! |
| 22:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | s/limit/level/ |
| 22:38.57 | JoshBorke | you know, you can search man pages using / |
| 22:38.59 | Corrodias | i see. that is a problem, yes |
| 22:39.19 | NightHawkTheSane | .. I think I barely have 2.2k +heal in my t5/6 gear >.> |
| 22:39.38 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane, I stopped at 2K and started playing with other stats. |
| 22:40.19 | bleeter | yeah, +2.2k to heal, soz |
| 22:40.27 | Shirik | hrm |
| 22:40.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: yeah. I just like pushing +heal, cause it makes my chain heal awesome. ;) |
| 22:40.34 | Shirik | does someone have a suggestion on how to trick wget into "logging in"? |
| 22:40.41 | Shirik | I guess I should feed it a cookie |
| 22:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: check out -- yes, that |
| 22:40.53 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 22:40.53 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy tightly until Peppy turns slightly blue |
| 22:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | --load-cookies cookies.txt |
| 22:41.03 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Jelly-dear. |
| 22:41.04 | JoshBorke | Shirik: --user, --password |
| 22:41.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Also see --save-cookies cookies.txt |
| 22:41.09 | Shirik | no |
| 22:41.12 | Shirik | it's a forum |
| 22:41.17 | Shirik | so not like HTTP authentication |
| 22:41.20 | JoshBorke | hey, you didn't specify form login |
| 22:41.24 | Shirik | sorry :) |
| 22:41.27 | JoshBorke | you just said logging in. asshole |
| 22:41.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:41.34 | |Jelly| | It's raining, Peppy! |
| 22:41.38 | bleeter | Shirik: Blizz forum? Sidejack an existing session ;) |
| 22:41.42 | ScytheBlade1 | JoshBorke: ~failrik is ALWAYS appropriate. |
| 22:41.50 | Shirik | no, guild forums |
| 22:41.56 | kd3 | is auth sidejackable too? |
| 22:41.57 | JoshBorke | asshole had a better feeling to it |
| 22:41.57 | Shirik | someone wants to leave without giving us the database backed up |
| 22:41.59 | bleeter | oh, try sidejacking them then :P |
| 22:42.01 | Shirik | so I'm like |
| 22:42.09 | Shirik | "pew pew" you no take forums |
| 22:42.25 | Shirik | I intend to quickly grab the html just in case, and then start trying to parse it into a DB |
| 22:43.40 | |Jelly| | Just hack the gibson, Shirik. |
| 22:43.56 | Lopeppeppy | |Jelly|, did you imagine it wouldn't be raining, dear? |
| 22:44.11 | |Jelly| | I wanted sunshine and lollipops. |
| 22:44.37 | Lopeppeppy | Tomorrow maybe, Alice. |
| 22:44.52 | Arrowmaster | damnit i dont see any info on the comptia website about plans to switch to a certification renewal system which i was recently informed about and told i should get my certs soon |
| 22:45.10 | bleeter | funniest thing about the 2.2k heal foo, they never ask about any +haste bonus |
| 22:45.21 | bleeter | kinda nullifying their entire argument |
| 22:45.26 | Dezzimal | remember when the chinks sidejacked daelo's account? |
| 22:45.37 | Dezzimal | well, session |
| 22:45.38 | kd3 | neth got sidejacked too |
| 22:45.40 | kd3 | that was hilarious |
| 22:45.45 | |Jelly| | What I think we should do is make the retards that stayed down south against warnings of "certain death" pay for their rescue. |
| 22:45.46 | bleeter | forums are still sidejackable, afaik |
| 22:46.07 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl @ http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/chi/814181712.html |
| 22:46.12 | Lopeppeppy | That would be nice, |Jelly|. Not all of them could go, but some idiots, yaaar. |
| 22:46.24 | foxlit | __newindex bugs me |
| 22:47.04 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: that's not the issue, the issue is running a large enough, powerful enough server farm to SSL every image on every thread on every view for every user |
| 22:47.04 | Fisker- | sidejacked? >:3 |
| 22:47.11 | foxlit | Or perhaps it doesn't. |
| 22:47.28 | |Jelly| | Fisker-: Sounds kinky. |
| 22:47.33 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 22:47.34 | Fisker- | i want in |
| 22:48.06 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: you don't need HTTPS for all content, just need to ensure that the session cookies is ALWAYS transmitted in HTTPS so it can't be sniffed |
| 22:48.13 | bleeter | from my understanding |
| 22:48.57 | bleeter | but as it's not 9AM yet, my chances of being 'dead wrong' increase ;) |
| 22:49.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:49.03 | foxlit | browsers tend to whine at that |
| 22:49.10 | foxlit | "display insecure content?" |
| 22:49.11 | Fisker- | Isn't it usual to only accept the cookie if it is from the same class c network? |
| 22:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: I've never ever heard that rule, anywhere |
| 22:49.33 | bleeter | I mean, Google fixed Gmail to do it, they're still slack at their other services |
| 22:49.33 | Arrowmaster | neither have i |
| 22:49.51 | kd3 | that's if the main page fetch is https... if you go to a http url and get https stuff the browser shouldn't bit |
| 22:49.58 | kd3 | s/bit/bitch/ |
| 22:50.21 | bleeter | ^^ that |
| 22:50.24 | Fisker- | Well i know phpbb and vbulletin has this security |
| 22:50.36 | cbreak | if you go to a http url you can not get https stuff, different protocol |
| 22:50.39 | Arrowmaster | noscript actually blocked me from posting on the wow forums the other week because it switched to https and it thought it was an xss |
| 22:50.45 | Fisker- | it won't accept a cookie unless the client with the cookie is from the same class c network (it's customizable though so could be whatever you want) |
| 22:50.45 | foxlit | Fisker-: you're talking about a different trick |
| 22:50.54 | Fisker- | wut? >:3 |
| 22:51.32 | foxlit | That's just the software not letting you continue the software-managed session if your IP changes drastically |
| 22:51.53 | Fisker- | oh |
| 22:52.28 | foxlit | kd3: but, really, if you're aiming to protect things with cookie-based sessions, it is the MAIN page that you need to pass through SSL |
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| 22:52.36 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 22:52.39 | Duman | wait, what |
| 22:52.40 | Duman | ptr up? |
| 22:52.45 | kd3 | download is |
| 22:52.52 | Duman | hmm |
| 22:52.57 | kd3 | 900MB. idiots didn't pull from the prepatch. grr |
| 22:53.05 | Duman | ARGH! |
| 22:53.15 | Jamash | putting logins through SSL and not the rest of the session makes my brain hurt |
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| 22:53.25 | foxlit | kd3: bandwidth is free when you're using p2p! |
| 22:53.41 | bleeter | Jamash: the rest of the session out of SSL is fine, as long as the session cookie only ever travels over SSL, no? |
| 22:53.48 | foxlit | bleeter: flawed |
| 22:54.01 | foxlit | Jamash: the goal is to prevent anyone from re-authenticating as you when you hit log out. |
| 22:54.18 | Jamash | but if the rest of the session is unencrypted then the session cookie does travel in clear text |
| 22:54.25 | foxlit | bleeter: you need the session cookie to serve any content at all. Once you request anything other than the log in page, you send it in clear text |
| 22:54.35 | kd3 | only problem is... server load. the forums can barely keep up as is... what about the additional overhead of ssl? |
| 22:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: I don't know enough about their forum software to know where the session cookie is/isn't needed. In the case of the forums though, the only place this is a problem is where you share an IP with the attacker. |
| 22:54.54 | Jamash | database load does not necessarily equal front end server load |
| 22:55.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, you can likely reach out and smack them. |
| 22:55.16 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: LAN party of hundreds, or a Wifi hotspot? |
| 22:55.37 | bleeter | hang on |
| 22:55.37 | bleeter | deja vu |
| 22:55.41 | bleeter | hmm |
| 22:55.42 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
| 22:55.45 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: considering they're sniffing your traffic, they can probably send some traffic, too |
| 22:55.52 | Duman | heh |
| 22:55.58 | Jamash | Classic man in the middle |
| 22:56.02 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: if you're too stupid realize what using the internet then means, then you'll probably wind up formatting your computer as a result. |
| 22:56.07 | foxlit | So it translates to "the only case where this is a problem is when this is a problem" |
| 22:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: "which is an exceptionally rare occurance" |
| 22:56.31 | ScytheBlade1 | "almost to the point where it's irrelevant" |
| 22:56.37 | Jamash | basically if the entire session isn't encrypted, there's very little point in encrypting any of it |
| 22:57.07 | Duman | are these akamai urls that show up in the tracker real? |
| 22:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 22:57.28 | foxlit | Then it's irrelevant because nobody can sniff your traffic, not because of any IP requirements. |
| 22:57.40 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: sorry, I don't follow? |
| 22:57.41 | Xinhuan | random survey: how many guild bank tabs did your guild buy? |
| 22:57.44 | kd3 | ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/3.0.2.8916-PTR-Installer-US-MX.pieces |
| 22:57.49 | cbreak | all |
| 22:57.49 | kd3 | duman ^ |
| 22:57.58 | cbreak | besides the last |
| 22:58.01 | cbreak | that's too expensive |
| 22:58.05 | foxlit | I'm suggesting that people who can sniff your traffic can also send some on your behalf. |
| 22:58.23 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 22:58.29 | ScytheBlade1 | well yes, yes they could |
| 22:58.35 | foxlit | laptop -> wifi -> router would be the weak link - I doubt anyone bothers with monitoring internet in general |
| 22:58.47 | ScytheBlade1 | true enough |
| 22:59.10 | cbreak | it would be so nice to have a tap at an exchange point :) |
| 22:59.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Which likewise is why I don't allow my traffic unencrypted over public wifi, the WoW forums aren't the only people with this 'issue' |
| 23:00.13 | Jamash | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/10/misuse_of_tor_led_to_embassy_password_breach/ |
| 23:00.23 | cbreak | those were idiots... |
| 23:00.35 | Jamash | bad security < no security |
| 23:00.56 | cbreak | it's not bad security. it's sending traffic over potential attacker's hosts |
| 23:01.01 | bleeter | kd3: I'm guessing the 'power' and 'price' of SSL acellerators have changed since I last messed with them near a decade ago ;) |
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| 23:01.39 | bleeter | but, given it's forums, and we don't pay for them... we deserve to get sidejacked if we use them ;) |
| 23:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: in the case of SSL accelerators for webservers, the latency imposed over the PCI bus is commonly too high to the point where it'd be faster to use the regular CPU |
| 23:01.51 | cbreak | is ssl so CPU intensive compared to all those crappy PHP blog SQL thingies with inefficient interpreted code that gets executed every visit? |
| 23:02.47 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: do SSL appliances limit themselves to PCI? That'd be a very odd engineering choice, imo |
| 23:02.53 | foxlit | SB1: latency vs bandwidth |
| 23:02.58 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: yes and no - a crappy PHP/SQL page can be cached. The images, while static, are re-encrypted on every pageview, and that can't be cached |
| 23:03.21 | cbreak | yeah, but the encryption is not the bottleneck, right? |
| 23:03.23 | Duman | wtf those bastards |
| 23:03.27 | cbreak | the PKI stuff is probably slower |
| 23:03.28 | Duman | they are using port 6881 now as well |
| 23:03.35 | cbreak | than some symetric cypher encoding/decoding |
| 23:04.08 | Jamash | they've always used port 6881 as a fallback as far as I know |
| 23:04.22 | Duman | oh? hmm |
| 23:04.27 | Arrowmaster | not like anybody else actually uses 6881 for bittorrent |
| 23:04.27 | Duman | well, it's in my traffic shaper now :) |
| 23:04.30 | bleeter | yeah, pretty sure I have 6881 in my f/w |
| 23:05.02 | Jamash | "The Blizzard Downloader requires that ports 3724 and 6112 be open. It can also benefit from having ports 6881 through 6999 open." |
| 23:05.12 | Corrodias | THEY BE OPEN, BOYS |
| 23:05.17 | Corrodias | ALL ABOARD! |
| 23:05.18 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
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| 23:06.22 | cbreak | firewalls... |
| 23:06.54 | Arrowmaster | meh i just use upnp on my router |
| 23:07.25 | cbreak | argh! |
| 23:07.29 | cbreak | upnp is the devil |
| 23:07.54 | Fisker- | i got all ports open |
| 23:07.54 | Fisker- | = win |
| 23:08.02 | Arrowmaster | its a fine solution to deal with the real issue which is NAT |
| 23:08.07 | [dRaCo] | instant win. |
| 23:08.58 | cbreak | why do people even use firewalls I wonder... |
| 23:09.26 | Arrowmaster | because my isp only gives me 1 ip.... |
| 23:10.09 | cbreak | he'd probably give you more... for more money... |
| 23:10.37 | NightHawkTheSane | "for more money" being the key part |
| 23:11.20 | Lopeppeppy | Money? |
| 23:11.52 | Arrowmaster | sorry i dont feel like paying for an extra ip address for every desktop, every laptop that gets on my wireless, and my xbox360 and ps3 |
| 23:12.22 | cbreak | I have set up static routes for the few services I desire to expose |
| 23:12.28 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: That's what NAT is for. |
| 23:12.32 | cbreak | and the rest is not supposed to be exposed. |
| 23:12.34 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: exactly |
| 23:12.52 | Thrae | Also, no-ip.com is cheap. |
| 23:13.38 | Arrowmaster | what does that have anything to do with? |
| 23:15.50 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/pit/708850980.html |
| 23:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ wtf |
| 23:16.30 | kd3 | wtf indeed |
| 23:16.34 | kd3 | 201MB/200 |
| 23:16.42 | kd3 | s/200/900/ |
| 23:17.42 | foxlit | Gr, annoying. |
| 23:17.45 | cbreak | sounds like the bg downloader |
| 23:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: kd3: US PTR forums up |
| 23:17.54 | Sixen | ic |
| 23:18.16 | Fisker- | why so ptr forums up? |
| 23:18.18 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting, ScytheBlade1. |
| 23:18.23 | foxlit | I might have to add a header to my red/black tree implementation in lua :( |
| 23:18.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 23:18.25 | Sixen | *sigh*.. |
| 23:18.29 | Sixen | No PTR for Beta testers :( |
| 23:18.33 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 23:18.38 | Fisker- | what the fuck am i doing up then? |
| 23:19.08 | Fisker- | i hate you all |
| 23:19.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: good, you'll retain some sanity. :) |
| 23:19.08 | Sixen | And another *sigh*, the stickies were lost. |
| 23:19.08 | Sixen | Lol, =] |
| 23:19.58 | Sixen | lol? |
| 23:20.01 | Sixen | Is anyone else seeing doubles? |
| 23:20.08 | kd3 | keep refreshing |
| 23:20.12 | Fisker- | giev link |
| 23:20.12 | Lopeppeppy | Sixen, get off the crack. :) |
| 23:20.15 | Sixen | Ah, =P |
| 23:20.17 | Sixen | Lol peppy. |
| 23:23.16 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, Bear Grylls just got sprayed bad by a skunk!! |
| 23:23.26 | Sixen | Kd3, is it up yet? |
| 23:23.33 | kd3 | no clue. 224/900MB |
| 23:23.37 | kd3 | just posted a quick guide |
| 23:23.39 | Sixen | The download I mean |
| 23:23.42 | Sixen | Yeah,I saw. |
| 23:23.43 | kd3 | yes |
| 23:23.46 | Sixen | Oh |
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| 23:23.48 | Sixen | The downloader is up? |
| 23:23.53 | kd3 | yes |
| 23:24.50 | ScytheBlade1 | argh, the teacher of this course just pushed a style guild out for all eclipse code |
| 23:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That has the opening curly bracket below the declaration -.- |
| 23:25.11 | Lopeppeppy | This is bad. |
| 23:26.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It mostly just annoys me to no end -.- |
| 23:26.16 | foxlit | hey, Java called |
| 23:26.16 | wereHamster | style guild? Is he into WoW too? |
| 23:26.16 | foxlit | They approve of your new coding guidelines |
| 23:27.07 | bleeter | Sixen, kd3: I reported Sixen's post for a sticky request.. maybe you guys could like... consolidate (yeah, repeating here incase you don't see the forum post suggestion I made) |
| 23:27.16 | Sixen | Yeah, I just thought of that.. |
| 23:27.21 | bleeter | but if you wanna keep stuff seperate, happy to report KD3's for sticky, too |
| 23:27.22 | Sixen | What should we do, kd3? |
| 23:27.25 | foxlit | or, hm, perhaps not |
| 23:27.28 | kd3 | we'll use yours |
| 23:27.30 | Sixen | You sure? |
| 23:27.32 | kd3 | I'll delete my posts |
| 23:27.35 | Sixen | Reserve a post in my thread then |
| 23:27.45 | Sixen | And if we do that, could you delete/repost yours bleet? |
| 23:27.59 | bleeter | done (in kd3's) |
| 23:28.11 | Sixen | hmm |
| 23:28.16 | Sixen | Should I delete/remake my thread? |
| 23:28.28 | kd3 | go for it. I'll post mine as soon as I see yours |
| 23:28.28 | Sixen | Edit everything out and repost so you can reserve #2? |
| 23:28.30 | Sixen | yeah |
| 23:28.45 | Sixen | lol.. |
| 23:28.47 | Sixen | Yours just got stickied |
| 23:28.50 | kd3 | rofl |
| 23:28.53 | kd3 | guess we're using mine |
| 23:29.02 | bleeter | wtf, US PTR site trying to make me download the EU client aargharhgarhgahrgar |
| 23:29.10 | Sixen | And then it's not? |
| 23:29.11 | Sixen | o_O |
| 23:29.12 | Sixen | here |
| 23:29.13 | Sixen | i'll repost |
| 23:29.38 | bleeter | one day really must work out why Blizz insist I'm EU when I set every damned preference I can find in FF to enAU |
| 23:29.41 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956356458&postId=99552707060&sid=1#0 |
| 23:29.43 | Sixen | gogo kd3 |
| 23:29.51 | Sixen | Wha tthe hell is going on |
| 23:29.51 | Sixen | lmao |
| 23:30.32 | kd3 | aight. deleted my posts in the earlier threads |
| 23:30.37 | kd3 | hopefully the mods will get the hint |
| 23:30.55 | Sixen | ah |
| 23:30.56 | Sixen | there we go |
| 23:30.56 | Sixen | ;) |
| 23:31.10 | Sixen | Nicely done, =). |
| 23:31.22 | kd3 | rofl. it got stuck before I even reported it |
| 23:31.34 | Sixen | Yeah ,lmao |
| 23:31.36 | Sixen | I wasn't even done posting |
| 23:31.43 | Sixen | I had posted the 2nd one and was waiting to edit the 1st |
| 23:31.48 | Sixen | He unstuck and stuck the new one. |
| 23:31.54 | Sixen | Then there were doubles again, I was confused. |
| 23:31.58 | Sixen | Though one sticky was halfway down the page |
| 23:32.00 | kd3 | I've got posts #1-2, you may want to reply and get #3 |
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| 23:32.32 | Sixen | Mmm. |
| 23:32.43 | Sixen | s*sigh* poist timer |
| 23:34.19 | Sixen | Aight, now to fix the OP to show post #2, etc. |
| 23:35.54 | bleeter | kd3: did I read that right? Authors who took advantage of Blizz's programs to get into the Beta, yet decided to wait until the API is stable and a PTR up before actually publishing anything.. can't access the PTR? |
| 23:36.20 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: less emo imo |
| 23:36.35 | kd3 | meh. we got screwed over for alpha too. hopefully it'll get fixed as soon as tyren says it will |
| 23:36.46 | bleeter | I'm just hoping Cladhaire has multiple accounts so he can start work on LH RSN ;) |
| 23:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: he does, but he's also over on EU only now |
| 23:37.05 | Sixen | Yeah :/ |
| 23:37.12 | Sixen | Hortus was looking into it as far as I knew. |
| 23:37.25 | Lopeppeppy | EU, US. *sigh* |
| 23:37.29 | Lopeppeppy | Why can't we all be friends? |
| 23:37.30 | bleeter | kd3: ah, didn't see the blue post :) |
| 23:37.58 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: I'm *hoping* the move to Battle.net means we eventually will be in some regards ;) |
| 23:38.16 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaaay. |
| 23:38.34 | Sixen | Hmm... |
| 23:38.39 | Sixen | Should I rename it to "Accessing the PTR"? |
| 23:38.55 | kd3 | w/e |
| 23:39.53 | JoshBorke | i'm doing my part to spreading the background patch! |
| 23:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Ugh, I think this headache is getting worse due to lack of food. |
| 23:40.38 | Lopeppeppy | Then eat, doofus. *rolls eyes fondly* |
| 23:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Why I just realized this at just about 6:00 PM, I'm not sure.. |
| 23:40.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Think the last thing I ate was... 3:00 yesterday? ish? |
| 23:41.35 | Lopeppeppy | Doofus. Shoo |
| 23:41.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Fridge is mostly empty and I'm pretty much broke, hmm |
| 23:42.12 | Lopeppeppy | Learn to invest in peanut butter. |
| 23:42.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I really dislike peanut butter |
| 23:43.03 | Lopeppeppy | Me too. |
| 23:43.24 | Sixen | kd3, I love your FAQ. |
| 23:43.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually ate refried bean sandwiches as a kid |
| 23:43.30 | Sixen | =) |
| 23:43.31 | kd3 | short and sweet |
| 23:43.34 | ScytheBlade1 | white bread + refried beans |
| 23:43.42 | Sixen | Agreed` |
| 23:43.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise I can no longer eat refried beans. |
| 23:43.57 | Lopeppeppy | I can't eat cheerios |
| 23:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 23:44.19 | ScytheBlade1 | My brother ate cheerios in ketchup several times |
| 23:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | He refuses to admit it now, but he did. |
| 23:44.51 | Lopeppeppy | I just ate them plain. |
| 23:45.20 | bleeter | Sixen: can we get some md5 and sha1 sums on that PTR guide for the d/l? |
| 23:45.34 | bleeter | 'coz it's bound to be mirrored to hell and back by now ;) |
| 23:45.34 | Sixen | Oh, good idea. |
| 23:46.04 | kd3 | as soon as I get it downloaded... 300/900 |
| 23:46.28 | Sixen | hmmm.. That info is on the Downloader, isn't it bleet |
| 23:46.28 | bleeter | I'm gunna wait 'til I get to my mate's place who has ADSL2+ unlimited cap |
| 23:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, now I can't find my keys... |
| 23:46.44 | bleeter | Sixen: 900MB downloader?? |
| 23:46.49 | Sixen | Yeah |
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| 23:47.19 | bleeter | downloader should be a couple of megs, the patch is different. the post reads a *little* weird. sorry to nitpick ;) |
| 23:47.50 | bleeter | either way, a sum on the d/l'er would be good |
| 23:48.01 | bleeter | ^^ msg for Blizz |
| 23:48.05 | bleeter | and while I'm at it |
| 23:48.12 | bleeter | damn well start signing your emails with friggin PGP |
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| 23:48.32 | Sixen | Oh yeah, my bad. |
| 23:48.38 | Sixen | Patch Size is 900mb =o |
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| 23:52.11 | NightHawkTheSane | pistachios are my bane. |
| 23:52.53 | Lopeppeppy | love me some pistachios |
| 23:54.24 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: Blasphemy! |
| 23:54.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: hm? |
| 23:56.12 | Syzgyn | on the pistachios thing |
| 23:56.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i didn't say i don't love them. i love them in a totally unhealthy manner. >< |
| 23:56.21 | Syzgyn | ohh |
| 23:56.33 | Syzgyn | never mind then :D |
| 23:57.50 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 23:58.13 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter_ (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 23:58.41 | kd3 | ho... if someone mirrors a copy of installer tome.mpq and the installers, we can turn a 900MB download into a 79MB download |
| 23:58.52 | kd3 | maybe |
| 23:58.57 | bleeter | is it my imagination, or the PC PTR downloader link dead? |
| 23:59.02 | Sixen | hehe |
| 23:59.24 | bleeter | goddamn it.. EU again on my lappy.. WHY BLIZZ???!!! |
| 23:59.25 | kd3 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/clients/pc/ptr-downloader-enUS.html |
| 23:59.53 | Sixen | Gradina posted. |
