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| 00:14.23 | alestane | If there were always enough inventory space, there would be no need for inventory space...you could just pick up anything. |
| 00:14.51 | alestane | The more space we have, the more we try to keep in it. |
| 00:21.23 | NightHawkTheSane | "latent demand" |
| 00:24.02 | Shirik | I would prefer more realistic expanding inventory space |
| 00:24.27 | Shirik | Some games do this by making you "overencumbered" and doing things like reducing speed, stamina, etc. |
| 00:24.45 | Shirik | Because it is logical for you to, say, hold something temporarily when you're trying to make something |
| 00:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd just like potions to not magically expand to stack to 5 once filled, from vials stacking at 20. |
| 00:25.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd be cool with a "generic potion injector" too, though |
| 00:25.32 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: We have high-tech vials in WoW |
| 00:25.44 | Shirik | They shrink when there's nothing in them |
| 00:25.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: apparently, just high enough tech to piss me off :) |
| 00:25.49 | Shirik | however the contents require them to expand |
| 00:25.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:25.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That's |
| 00:25.54 | Syzgyn | Can someone help me out with some attribute stuff |
| 00:26.01 | Syzgyn | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95553 Why is this not sorting by class? |
| 00:26.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Quite possibly the only logical reason that fits the game that I have _ever_ heard |
| 00:26.06 | Esine | I would prefer more realistic inventory system where it takes 10 seconds to take an item from the inventory and put something in it and sometimes items would fall off to the ground and another player could pick them up |
| 00:26.16 | Esine | also you could loot their epix gearz from dead horde |
| 00:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 100% agree with looting epics off of dead horde |
| 00:27.00 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:27.02 | Shirik | what about dead alliance |
| 00:27.08 | Esine | there is no such as dead alliance |
| 00:27.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah just horde |
| 00:27.17 | Shirik | ~kill ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:27.18 | purl | ACTION shoots a ionized neutron gun at ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:27.26 | Esine | Shirik, if you've seen one of them then it was your monitor malfunctioning |
| 00:27.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I was already dead |
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| 00:27.51 | Shirik | um |
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| 00:28.28 | Shirik | hi jjjjjjjjjeeeeeee |
| 00:28.36 | Esine | nice nam |
| 00:28.37 | Esine | e |
| 00:29.52 | jjjjjjjjjeeeeeee | :) |
| 00:30.37 | Esine | hm.. I'm somehow dropping off random words from sentences. |
| 00:30.40 | Esine | there is no such thing* |
| 00:30.55 | Esine | this has been happening a lot lately :( |
| 00:33.30 | batrick | harro |
| 00:34.15 | Shirik | ~kill batrick |
| 00:34.15 | purl | ACTION shoots a inverse pseudoneutron gun at batrick |
| 00:34.23 | batrick | wowow |
| 00:34.25 | batrick | not nice |
| 00:34.34 | Shirik | no batbot |
| 00:34.57 | batrick | my server died last week |
| 00:35.03 | batrick | or rather linux did. I had to reinstall |
| 00:35.06 | Shirik | I did it |
| 00:35.16 | batrick | which wasn't that bad I was looking for a reason to upgrade to 8.04 from 7.04 |
| 00:35.42 | Esine | heh. nubuntu on a server.. great.. |
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| 00:35.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Curious, anyone here on ubuntu use openvpn? |
| 00:36.00 | Shirik | Curious, anyone here on ubuntu not wanting to stab their face |
| 00:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't run ubuntu :P |
| 00:36.27 | Esine | no self respecting geek would |
| 00:36.44 | Esine | does |
| 00:36.48 | Esine | I'm out. bye. |
| 00:36.56 | batrick | i love how people who need to be different hate a linux distro because it's finally popular |
| 00:37.08 | ScytheBlade1 | tbh, batrick, I hated it from the start |
| 00:37.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I installed it once to see what it was about, and my reasons for hating it were instantly justified |
| 00:37.29 | batrick | sure but plenty of people jump on the bandwagon just because of it's popularity among noobs |
| 00:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
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| 00:42.36 | squidbear | how do you concatenate two strings in LUA? |
| 00:42.41 | krka | squidbear: You shouldn't capitalize Lua like that :( |
| 00:42.47 | Syzgyn | str1 .. str2 |
| 00:43.01 | squidbear | Two periods? |
| 00:43.04 | Syzgyn | Yes |
| 00:43.08 | squidbear | alright thanks |
| 00:43.26 | Syzgyn | Can anyone tell me why my raid frames arent sorting by class? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95553 |
| 00:44.08 | End | wow, I didn't know artisan first aid required level 35 |
| 00:44.15 | End | they changed that a long time ago too :P |
| 00:44.33 | alestane | Artisan anything requires level 35, except (I think) gathering skills. |
| 00:44.57 | End | used to be 40 for secondary skills, back when I leveled my druid |
| 00:45.07 | End | for every character since then, I assumed it was still 40 |
| 00:45.51 | End | they changed it almost 3 years ago, and I only now found out :P |
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| 00:48.06 | Shirik | batrick, I used Ubuntu for a while |
| 00:48.11 | Shirik | I never really "got" it |
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| 00:48.29 | Tekkub | what's to get? |
| 00:48.32 | Shirik | I liked SuSE much more |
| 00:48.50 | Shirik | the whole sudo thing, apt, etc. |
| 00:48.58 | Shirik | I just didn't find it convenient |
| 00:50.51 | squidbear | sudo apt-get ? |
| 00:51.05 | Shirik | I know how to run it |
| 00:51.09 | Shirik | I just don't find it useful |
| 00:51.40 | Shirik | Ubuntu is actually the only system where I've really gotten myself in trouble for running something escalated. Amusing how sudo is supposed to help alleviate that |
| 00:51.41 | End | it's not...usefuk? |
| 00:51.44 | End | useful* |
| 00:52.18 | Shirik | I especially like how I get yelled at for "sudo bash" |
| 00:52.37 | End | it yelled at you, or someone did? |
| 00:52.41 | Shirik | it |
| 00:52.44 | End | odd |
| 00:52.48 | End | I do sudo -s though |
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| 00:53.01 | End | more for other users than root though |
| 00:53.18 | squidbear | if I want to have a playlist file with a list of MP3 locations + song titles for my addon, should I just make a seperate xml file with this data and include it in my Lua? |
| 00:53.24 | WobWork | running in root? =) |
| 00:53.42 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/95555 |
| 00:54.05 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:54.16 | End | it does that for any command |
| 00:54.20 | End | the first time you run sudo |
| 00:54.22 | Shirik | does it? |
| 00:54.24 | End | yes |
| 00:54.26 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:54.31 | Shirik | Shows you how much I used it! |
| 00:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:54.35 | End | haha |
| 00:54.37 | ScytheBlade1 | sudo is awesome |
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| 00:55.25 | End | the point of sudo, I suppose, isn't to drop into a shell and stay there...it's more like a quick escalation for a single command |
| 00:55.31 | WobWork | aye |
| 00:55.51 | squidbear | if you want root for extended time use su |
| 00:55.52 | WobWork | otherwise it'd be called susdoitall |
| 00:56.02 | End | sudoeverything |
| 00:56.08 | WobWork | sudunnit |
| 00:56.16 | End | suIdidit |
| 00:56.27 | WobWork | sued |
| 00:57.14 | Shirik | squidbear: ubuntu gets you away from that :) |
| 00:57.21 | Shirik | in fact, I don't think you even set up a root password |
| 00:57.26 | Shirik | Though that's one of the things I did immediately |
| 00:57.59 | squidbear | it's usually a good thing to stay out of root for general use. |
| 00:58.06 | Shirik | I only go to root when I have to |
| 00:58.07 | squidbear | and ubuntu is for mainstream use |
| 00:58.17 | Shirik | However, I rarely only have to run one command as root |
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| 00:58.59 | End | I just got a tiny emerald whelpling |
| 00:59.36 | Tekkub | on beta I hope? |
| 00:59.39 | End | no |
| 00:59.44 | Tekkub | I hate you |
| 00:59.47 | squidbear | how do you change the size of a button? just <Size ...? |
| 01:00.04 | End | why would I be killing them on beta? but then again, why on live either? >_> |
| 01:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | A button is just like any other frame, squidbear |
| 01:00.12 | End | although, you can probably guess why |
| 01:00.13 | Tekkub | hrm... squidbear... I wonder how one gets that kickname |
| 01:00.17 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.34 | squidbear | -_- |
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| 01:01.12 | End | Tekkub: I just realized the kicker...I'm using tour guide to find old random ass quests, too! |
| 01:01.49 | Tekkub | End, yea I've used it to rep up for mounts |
| 01:01.56 | End | and it led me to a quest I had never done before where I needed green whelp blood |
| 01:02.00 | End | hehe |
| 01:07.46 | Shirik | [#] 21:05:07 [W From] <70:Len>: I turn 35 on Thursday. Shut up. |
| 01:07.47 | Shirik | [#] 21:05:31 [G] <70:Kimina>: Hey! Len's birthday is this Thursday! |
| 01:07.52 | Shirik | [#] 21:06:10 [G] <70:Len>: You just wiped us with that. |
| 01:07.54 | Shirik | I win |
| 01:08.01 | Syzgyn | Haha |
| 01:08.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 01:11.27 | |Jelly| | Any high level engineers here? |
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| 01:22.10 | squidbear | Now if I called SMP_PlaySong(SMP_Playlist[0]); would that grab the table data and put it into that func? Or do I need to extract the table data first somehow? |
| 01:22.26 | Wobin | the former |
| 01:23.12 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2837617089/ |
| 01:23.17 | Wobin | squidbear: If you're a programmer that's just starting in lua, I advise you check out pil |
| 01:23.20 | Wobin | ~pil |
| 01:23.20 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 01:23.28 | Tekkub | why do huntards, pallies and prisets get one fewer glyphs? |
| 01:23.49 | Tekkub | and shaman, mage and warlock get one more |
| 01:23.51 | squidbear | Wobin, thanks I'll check it out :) |
| 01:24.11 | Wobin | they need the extra help? |
| 01:24.40 | Amarande | Tekkub: consider how many spells are actively used by each? |
| 01:24.54 | squidbear | Real quick, what's the syntax for including a Lua file in another Lua file? |
| 01:25.03 | End | yes, but how many of them are good? ;-p |
| 01:25.06 | Tekkub | Amarande, so, each player can only use any 3 glyphs |
| 01:25.28 | Amarande | Let's see, a shaman commonly uses at -least- one spell each per elemental totem, plus lightning bolt, also possibly healing spells, it stands to reason that a shaman is going to need more glyphs |
| 01:25.39 | alestane | squidbear: Normally it would be require(), but it doesn't work in WoW. |
| 01:25.46 | squidbear | :( |
| 01:25.58 | Amarande | compared to say, your typical tankadin or healer priest |
| 01:26.00 | alestane | You shouldn't need to anyway. |
| 01:26.12 | Syzgyn | First illidan attempt of the night, the tank dies in P1. This is gonna be a GREAT night! :D |
| 01:26.23 | squidbear | So is my SMP_Playlist table global by default? |
| 01:26.29 | Wobin | yes |
| 01:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 01:26.34 | squidbear | ah |
| 01:26.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless you declare a variable as a local |
| 01:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a global |
| 01:26.39 | Tekkub | Amarande, but the shaman doesn't actually USE more glyphs |
| 01:27.00 | alestane | Any name that you do not declare local refers to a key in the current environment table, i.e. a global variable. |
| 01:27.15 | Wobin | squidbear: generally you want to encapsulate any object specific variables in that object to keep the global namespace clean |
| 01:27.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: *shrug* simple oversight is my guess, or them thinking players wouldn't be petty and vindictive over a one or two glyph difference. also, number of spells available does tend to have an affect |
| 01:27.46 | NightHawkTheSane | more spells -> more possible glyph effects. |
| 01:27.53 | Wobin | harder to balance |
| 01:27.55 | End | well |
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| 01:28.02 | End | they can add -mana cost to any spell ;-p |
| 01:28.04 | Tekkub | yea I doubt many people will lay them all out like I did |
| 01:28.12 | Tekkub | unless they use Panda, but who does |
| 01:28.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: you'd be surprised, i think. |
| 01:28.17 | End | (well, it'd be like -1 rage in some cases...) |
| 01:28.32 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a lot of anal retentive vindictive weirdos out there, some of them must play wow. ;) |
| 01:28.44 | Amarande | Night: some of them do |
| 01:28.47 | Amarande | we usually find them in trade chat. :) |
| 01:28.52 | Tekkub | man, my panel's already crowded and there's still not warrior or DK glyphs available |
| 01:28.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: hah. zing. |
| 01:28.57 | Tekkub | nor minors |
| 01:29.34 | squidbear | hrm...I'm doing something wrong. |
| 01:29.54 | Amarande | by the way, how are ele shamans looking in beta? |
| 01:30.08 | squidbear | doesn't seem to like SMP_PlaySong(SMP_Playlist[0])...let me post the code |
| 01:30.10 | Amarande | I've only heard QQing that enhancement shamans didn't get enhanced enough, and QQing that resto shamans are imba |
| 01:30.14 | Amarande | but hardly anything about elemental |
| 01:30.19 | Wobin | Amarande: with whiter whites and brighter colours! |
| 01:31.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: in my opinion, we're fine. |
| 01:32.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: at least, mechanically, i can't really say much about gear |
| 01:33.13 | Amarande | our gear's probably more or less the same |
| 01:33.26 | Amarande | it was enh who had their stats mucked with |
| 01:33.52 | Amarande | any info on the 80 dragonscale leatherworking sets yet, btw? |
| 01:34.21 | squidbear | main script: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95557 playlist: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95558 xml: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95559 |
| 01:34.53 | squidbear | also feel free to tell me how awful the code is :) |
| 01:35.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: crafting stuff is pretty easy to mine, so if it's not up on mmo-champion or similar sites, it's probably not in yet |
| 01:35.26 | Shirik | ebegin "Starting to drink" ${command} --drink beer eend $? "Failed to drink any beer :(" |
| 01:35.29 | Shirik | sometimes examples confuse me |
| 01:35.52 | End | Shirik: stop failing |
| 01:35.54 | End | drink more beer! |
| 01:35.56 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:36.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: drink more. |
| 01:36.05 | NightHawkTheSane | End: dammit!' |
| 01:36.12 | End | :) |
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| 01:41.31 | squidbear | undisclosed prize to whoever finds the error first ;D |
| 01:42.07 | Kaso | squidbear, what error do you get |
| 01:42.30 | Kaso | i know what the problem is |
| 01:42.31 | Shirik | squidbear, First problem: You're using 1 and 0 as a binary flag |
| 01:42.44 | Kaso | SMP_PlaySong(unpack(SMP_Playlist[0])) |
| 01:42.53 | Neuro_Medivh | wow... Brady out for the whole year |
| 01:42.59 | Kaso | also dont use 0 in arrays in lua, thats not how we like things :< |
| 01:43.07 | Shirik | this is not C! |
| 01:43.18 | squidbear | so I have to use like...letters? :P |
| 01:43.24 | Kaso | arrays start at 1 |
| 01:43.32 | Kaso | and instead of 0 and 1 use true and false |
| 01:43.37 | squidbear | error debug: ...rface\AddOns\SimpleMusicPlayer\SimpleMusicPlayer.lua:8: SMP_PlaySong() |
| 01:43.37 | squidbear | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.38 | Kaso | then you can do if flag then |
| 01:43.56 | squidbear | oh I see |
| 01:44.02 | Kaso | you need to use unpack when you call playsong with the playlist array |
| 01:44.07 | Kaso | SMP_PlaySong(unpack(SMP_Playlist[0])) |
| 01:45.17 | squidbear | ok |
| 01:45.50 | Kaso | either that or refactor your code to have a single array argument then use the elements of that array in your code rather than artist, album, etc |
| 01:45.53 | squidbear | the play buttons works now, but the prev/next doesn't work. |
| 01:46.16 | squidbear | play button* |
| 01:46.31 | Kaso | did you change the prevsong and nextsong functions also? |
| 01:46.55 | squidbear | yes...oh it works if the song is stopped. |
| 01:47.11 | squidbear | I have to set the flag in prev/next funcs I think |
| 01:48.02 | squidbear | yep |
| 01:48.11 | squidbear | works now, thanks :D |
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| 01:48.31 | squidbear | Now I just need to write a bash script that generates the playlist file :) |
| 01:49.11 | Kaso | write a lua script then use one of the many lua-programs out there that can dump lua tables to file! |
| 01:49.51 | Kaso | well i presume there are scripts out there that do that, maybe i should search first |
| 01:49.53 | Syzgyn | That'd require all the people that download his mod to use it too |
| 01:50.00 | Kaso | not like its a hard thing to generate really |
| 01:50.38 | Kaso | and sh scripts are much more accessible than lua scripts? I presume this is just for his personal use |
| 01:51.17 | Syzgyn | I thought he said batch, not bash :P |
| 01:51.43 | Kaso | ah |
| 01:51.52 | squidbear | I just need to generate a list of the mp3 files in a directory + grab meta data. Can you get meta data with Lua? :P |
| 01:53.39 | Gnarfoz | could anyone request in US forums that the rogue ability "overkill" should show up as a buff or something? :\ |
| 01:54.47 | Kaso | it wouldnt be simple, perhaps bash is better |
| 01:55.29 | squidbear | does this work in Lua? SMP_Current++; |
| 01:55.34 | Wobin | no |
| 01:56.45 | Kaso | lua doesn't believe in superfluous niceties like that! |
| 01:56.49 | squidbear | xD |
| 01:56.51 | Syzgyn | hAHA |
| 01:56.54 | Syzgyn | Woo capslock |
| 01:57.12 | Kaso | it is the one thing i miss in lua |
| 01:57.29 | Kaso | but its not too much of an issue to type out i = i +1 |
| 01:58.28 | Syzgyn | Can lua do i += 1 |
| 01:58.58 | Kaso | again nope |
| 01:59.18 | Syzgyn | yeah, didnt think so |
| 01:59.59 | Kaso | things like that are helpful to the advanced programmer, but really are not needed and do make learning/understanding code more difficult for a beginner |
| 02:00.17 | Syzgyn | Agreed |
| 02:01.08 | Kaso | when you get c code like x +++++ y or some crazyness it can all get rather confusing |
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| 02:06.52 | Arrowmaster | "(Kaso) write a lua script then use one of the many lua-programs out there that can dump lua tables to file!" Shirik wrote me one in lua that does it and sorts hash tables too! |
| 02:07.08 | Kaso | ooh thats nice |
| 02:07.40 | Kaso | a quick google couldnt find anything i presumed they'd be one around |
| 02:07.49 | Kaso | but it isnt hugely complex to write you own i guess |
| 02:07.58 | Kaso | or get Shirik to do it ;p |
| 02:08.22 | Wobin | side effects ftl |
| 02:08.41 | JoshBorke | ~lart wobin |
| 02:08.41 | purl | raises middle finger to wobin |
| 02:08.44 | JoshBorke | gief splut |
| 02:08.56 | Wobin | fo josh |
| 02:09.00 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 02:09.04 | JoshBorke | that's a new response :P |
| 02:09.27 | Wobin | I was bored of all previous responses |
| 02:09.58 | Arrowmaster | Kaso: yeah after some modification, the output is almost exactly like wow's savedvariables |
| 02:10.04 | Wobin | hm Chromium mini installer fails to work |
| 02:10.06 | squidbear | can anyone see what's wrong with this? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95560 |
| 02:10.07 | Arrowmaster | except sorted |
| 02:10.19 | squidbear | I'm getting a nil error |
| 02:10.21 | JoshBorke | squidbear: you're doing it wrong :P |
| 02:10.29 | squidbear | lol :P |
| 02:10.34 | Kaso | nil error at which line |
| 02:10.38 | Wobin | squidbear: you need 'then' after if's |
| 02:10.40 | Kaso | missing a then |
| 02:10.40 | squidbear | first line of each func |
| 02:10.40 | JoshBorke | having not looked at the code, i can't tell you what you're doin g:P |
| 02:10.41 | Kaso | line 22 |
| 02:10.56 | Arrowmaster | well pastey kinda highlighted some errors for you |
| 02:11.06 | JoshBorke | see, i was right! |
| 02:11.21 | squidbear | hrm...I see. Pastey makes me feel dumb; I like pastey xD |
| 02:11.29 | Kaso | heh |
| 02:11.45 | Kaso | Arrowmaster, you wouldnt have a copy lying around would you |
| 02:11.56 | Arrowmaster | i do |
| 02:12.01 | Arrowmaster | would you like it? |
| 02:12.04 | JoshBorke | i would! |
| 02:12.09 | JoshBorke | pastey it on me baby, YEA |
| 02:12.23 | Kaso | me too |
| 02:12.33 | JoshBorke | right there, that's how i like it |
| 02:15.02 | Arrowmaster | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95561 |
| 02:15.16 | Arrowmaster | the reply is the script i use it in |
| 02:17.12 | Kaso | why does he do local INF = 1/0 |
| 02:17.19 | Kaso | math.huge not good enough!? |
| 02:17.31 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 02:17.50 | squidbear | does the wow UI slider have a special name? |
| 02:19.00 | Syzgyn | It's a scroll bar template I'm sure |
| 02:19.54 | Kaso | Shirik, whats your problem with math.huge hey? HEY?! |
| 02:20.35 | JoshBorke | lfa> math.huge == 1/0 |
| 02:20.38 | Syzgyn | squidbear: OptionsSliderTemplate |
| 02:20.40 | JoshBorke | hm, that's not lua... |
| 02:20.41 | NightHawkTheSane | shirik's just jealous because his isn't larger than math.huge. |
| 02:20.45 | JoshBorke | lua> math.huge == 1/0 |
| 02:20.46 | lua_bot | JoshBorke: true |
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| 02:25.13 | Kaso | math.huge is not necessarily 1/0 though iirc |
| 02:25.22 | JoshBorke | but lua just said it was! |
| 02:25.31 | Cide | >>> math.huge == 1/0 |
| 02:25.31 | Cide | Cide: true |
| 02:25.37 | Cide | --> math.huge == 1/0 |
| 02:25.42 | NightHawkTheSane | and lua is always right. |
| 02:26.12 | Kaso | well math.huge is HUGE_VAL which "represent a large positive value, possibly plus infinity. " according to HUGE_VAL(3) |
| 02:28.24 | Wobin | hm |
| 02:28.33 | Kaso | but ofc i think on like every platform you'd ever find lua on theyd be the same |
| 02:28.33 | Wobin | would a squidbear hug involve lots of furry tentacles? |
| 02:29.00 | JoshBorke | Wobin: maybe it has the body of a bear and the head of a squid? |
| 02:29.12 | Wobin | bearthuhlu? |
| 02:29.34 | Kaso | lol |
| 02:30.00 | Kaso | "Under HP-UX 10.20, HUGE_VAL is defined as 1.7976931348623157e+308 (same as DBL_MAX)" |
| 02:30.03 | Kaso | ^ interesting |
| 02:30.37 | squidbear | Wobin, if you like it that way ;D |
| 02:30.53 | JoshBorke | oo, new xkcd tomorrow |
| 02:31.13 | JoshBorke | sorry, i was reminded of the furry comic this week |
| 02:33.09 | Wobin | hm |
| 02:33.27 | Wobin | I want a program I can sync my netbook to my desktop so that they share peripherals |
| 02:33.41 | JoshBorke | gd you guys and netbooks |
| 02:33.50 | cbreak | like "Synergy"? |
| 02:33.52 | Wobin | like I can move my mouse cursor over from my desktop, and it shifts control over to the netbook |
| 02:34.01 | cbreak | yes, synergy |
| 02:34.01 | Wobin | hm, I'll have a looksee |
| 02:34.03 | cbreak | it's great :) |
| 02:34.08 | JoshBorke | Wobin: yes, synergy is your answer |
| 02:34.21 | JoshBorke | it assumes you have 1 keyboard/mouse, but 2 monitors |
| 02:34.42 | cbreak | I used it to remote control a Mac Pro and some Windows IBM laptop thingie from my ancient PowerBook |
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| 02:34.50 | cbreak | all you need is a network connection |
| 02:35.28 | Wobin | last updated 2006 |
| 02:35.39 | cbreak | it still worked this spring |
| 02:35.47 | JoshBorke | Wobin: i use it everyday at work |
| 02:35.55 | Wobin | woo |
| 02:36.17 | JoshBorke | though, it's between 2 linux systems |
| 02:36.46 | cbreak | I used it between Mac OS X 10.4.something and Windows XP |
| 02:40.01 | End | I'm using it between vista and linux |
| 02:40.04 | End | it's a little buggy |
| 02:40.30 | End | (especially with clipboard) |
| 02:40.34 | End | but it works most of the time |
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| 02:40.46 | End | might be able to blame vista for that though ;-p |
| 02:42.08 | ajmitch | sadly it didn't work too well trying to control WoW on XP from linux |
| 02:42.15 | cbreak | since that "network-speed-slowdown-unless-you-play-an-mp3" issue I'd blame anything on vista |
| 02:42.23 | End | I have a keybinding to lock to screen |
| 02:42.37 | End | that fixes the whole weird WoW issue with the mouse |
| 02:43.19 | Wobin | oh no |
| 02:43.23 | Wobin | I'm stuck on this screen =) |
| 02:43.32 | End | lol |
| 02:43.33 | ajmitch | I should try that, testing out dual-boxing with a trial account on the laptop |
| 02:45.33 | Wobin | hey I -like- this |
| 02:45.55 | Wobin | very very cool |
| 02:46.43 | cbreak | make sure you read the section on security... if you do it wrong, everyone on the lan could controll your computer or possibly read what you write :) |
| 02:48.20 | Wobin | aiee |
| 02:48.23 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.05 | Wobin | ah well, I'm not really doing anything on untrusted networks |
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| 02:55.48 | JoshBorke | psh |
| 02:56.03 | JoshBorke | i have mine set to go between 2 machines on the same switch |
| 02:56.14 | JoshBorke | i guess i could set up a crossover connection, but that's too much work |
| 02:56.27 | cbreak | ssh tunnel :) |
| 02:56.34 | cbreak | I think I did that |
| 02:58.09 | squidbear | Hmm, best way to make a counter? |
| 02:59.11 | Kaso | counter that counts what? |
| 02:59.39 | Wobin | numbers? |
| 02:59.43 | squidbear | Whoops...meant to be more specific. A countdown of numbers |
| 03:00.04 | cbreak | in lua, you have the incredible choice between one numeric type |
| 03:00.07 | squidbear | Like input 3mins, 46secs and it counts down and tells me when it's done |
| 03:00.20 | Kaso | so a countdown timer! |
| 03:00.25 | squidbear | Indeed! :D |
| 03:00.37 | Kaso | you'd either need to use a timing lib like whatever ace gives, chronos or the like |
| 03:00.42 | Kaso | or use a onupdate function |
| 03:00.43 | cbreak | take a look at OnUpdate |
| 03:00.59 | cbreak | and GetTime(). Although OnUpdate does pass you a delta |
| 03:01.04 | cbreak | not sure how exact that is |
| 03:01.13 | squidbear | okay |
| 03:01.50 | cbreak | just store the time in seconds with fractions or so. I have an addon in which I do that for a countdown |
| 03:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: poke |
| 03:02.16 | squidbear | cbreak, do you have the addon on the interwebs? |
| 03:02.34 | cbreak | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5501-ElementalFlux.html (but it's not intended for reading) |
| 03:02.49 | cbreak | I use a quite... special... coding style :) |
| 03:02.55 | cbreak | (and it's old, so it's not even a good one) |
| 03:02.56 | squidbear | >_< ok |
| 03:03.55 | cbreak | it's public domain, so just use it for what ever you want |
| 03:04.50 | Hirsute | Anyone in here play a xmute spec'd alchemist? |
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| 03:07.53 | Wobin | I hear it's not worth it? |
| 03:07.58 | Wobin | or was that some other spec |
| 03:09.30 | Hirsute | So, actually, any type of Alchemist will do. I'm just curious as to how discoveries work. |
| 03:09.55 | Hirsute | Is there a minimum skill level you have to be before discoveries start happening? |
| 03:12.11 | Amarande | don't think so, but you do have to be able to do a transmute with a cooldown, as I understand it |
| 03:12.17 | Amarande | and I don't think those start till the mid 200s or so |
| 03:12.17 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc the wiki page covers that pretty effectively |
| 03:12.23 | Amarande | I've never been lucky enough to have a discovery yet :) |
| 03:12.24 | ScytheBlade1 | all the specifics |
| 03:12.54 | Amarande | does it cover, btw, the fact that "almost all discoveries you get early on will be ones that suck, like 'transmute primal air to earth'"? :) |
| 03:13.36 | Hirsute | Okay, so it looks like it will be a minimum skill of 300, then, as it has to be something introduced in TBC... |
| 03:14.54 | Amarande | ok, and I was wrong about it having to be a transmute with cooldown |
| 03:15.11 | Amarande | however, from what I've seen of friends who have alchemists, I'm right about the fact that most discoveries suck, though. :) |
| 03:17.41 | Tem|afk | Amarande, I have earth -> water |
| 03:17.49 | Tem|afk | and earth -> life |
| 03:17.53 | Tem|afk | both of which are awesome |
| 03:18.25 | Amarande | I think my guildie got something -> earth |
| 03:18.36 | Amarande | which is about as useless of a use for a day long cooldown as one can possibly think of |
| 03:18.44 | Tem|afk | I think I have fire -> air |
| 03:18.49 | Tem|afk | but I think that one is a vendor recipe |
| 03:19.12 | Amarande | I should invest my gold into trying to get Flask of Pure Death on my alch |
| 03:19.18 | Amarande | speaking of which, will that still be useful come WOTLK? |
| 03:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | transmutes between the 4 basic primals (air, earth, water, f ire) are vendor/rep recipes |
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| 03:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: its likely that new flasks will be introduced that use northrend herbs. *shrug* |
| 03:23.59 | Amarande | hmm, apparently also I can make a time machine out of my PC |
| 03:24.10 | Amarande | Neverwinter Nights says I have a CPU speed of -86684 MHz |
| 03:27.13 | squidbear | how do i grab a specific element out of a table? |
| 03:27.43 | squidbear | {blah="1", grr="2"} I want to get the value of blah |
| 03:27.53 | JoshBorke | squidbear: t["blah"] |
| 03:28.07 | JoshBorke | lua> t={blah="1", grr="2"}; print(t["blah"]) |
| 03:28.07 | lua_bot | JoshBorke: 1 |
| 03:29.40 | squidbear | would this SMP_PlayTime = SMP_Playlist[SMP_Current][4]; |
| 03:29.53 | squidbear | get me the time of this: SMP_Playlist[1] = {"A Static Lullaby", "Rattlesnake!", "Rattlesnake!", 214} |
| 03:30.14 | squidbear | SMP_Current = 1 |
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| 03:31.30 | lagger | is there some way around macros like ns macros |
| 03:31.44 | lagger | if ns is used already it stops the macro so it doesnt go to the heal |
| 03:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol wow |
| 03:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679400165&sid=1 |
| 03:32.07 | ScytheBlade1 | win |
| 03:36.32 | squidbear | o_O |
| 03:37.29 | squidbear | omg I think I got my countdown working O_O |
| 03:39.03 | Fogger | hows does one discover the changes to the api in WotLK? :) |
| 03:39.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Very carefully |
| 03:39.32 | ScytheBlade1 | apidiff.pastey.net |
| 03:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Check the links on the right side |
| 03:40.31 | Fogger | well, my mod which worked perfectly before, now says my saved variable is nil. |
| 03:41.06 | Fogger | doesnt seem to be saving at all, anyone else experienced this? |
| 03:41.56 | Fogger | oh, it is saving the file in WTF, but it just shows "mysavedvar = nil" |
| 03:42.56 | Fogger | if this is not a common problem, I guess its my fault :) |
| 03:43.04 | Kaso | Well we will need more infomation to help with that i think |
| 03:43.25 | Kaso | But are you sure the variable is global? |
| 03:43.49 | Kaso | are you sure it is initialised come player_leaving_world |
| 03:44.32 | Fogger | mmm, I have not specifically stated local |
| 03:44.57 | Fogger | in OnInitialise I have things like: locinfosave["debug"] = 0 |
| 03:45.24 | Kaso | are you doing that after ADDON_LOADED? |
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| 03:45.38 | Fogger | no, before |
| 03:45.54 | Kaso | it could be if nil got saved to file it is over-writing whatever you do onload when it is loaded at variables_loaded/addon_loaded |
| 03:46.31 | Kaso | generally its you should wait till ADDON_LOADED arg="YouAddonName" till you do stuff to saved variables |
| 03:46.54 | Fogger | odd how it works on live tho |
| 03:47.18 | Kaso | what i guess will have happened is this; |
| 03:47.36 | Kaso | if the saved variable is blank, then your code will populate it and it will be saved when you log off and work ok |
| 03:48.19 | Kaso | if the saved variable was somehow saved as nil at one point the code now does; set up and populate variable onload, then loads sv which is nil and overwrites with nil, then saves nil again when you log off |
| 03:48.42 | Fogger | right, gotcha |
| 03:49.34 | Fogger | so not a good idea to play with saved vars in the OnItitialise function then? |
| 03:51.08 | Fogger | unless its after the OnLoad |
| 03:51.58 | Kaso | oh well OnInitalize is a ace thing isnt it, im not sure exactly about that i dont do ace stuff |
| 03:52.12 | Fogger | I think the prob here is I used the ace2 framework <- |
| 03:52.15 | Fogger | ^^ :) |
| 03:52.29 | Kaso | didnt notice that >< |
| 03:52.49 | Kaso | lemme quickly look at where OnInitialize is called |
| 03:53.38 | Kaso | ok so OnInitialize is ADDON_LOADED so you variables should be there |
| 03:54.17 | Kaso | tell you what, post your code to pastey.net and ill take a look |
| 03:54.22 | Fogger | mmm, would it help if I pastey'd the script? |
| 03:54.26 | Fogger | lol |
| 03:55.29 | Fogger | http://apidiff.pastey.net/95564 |
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| 03:57.10 | Kaso | do you get any errors on log ? |
| 03:57.21 | Fogger | yes, just to say the saved var is nil |
| 03:58.39 | Kaso | ok, well the problem is the first line of LocInfo:OnInitialize() is causing an error because locinfosave is nil, and the whole function returns in error so the rest of the code is never executed and the table never constructed |
| 03:58.53 | Shirik | You can't just ignore errors |
| 03:59.01 | Shirik | you have to catch them or prevent them from occurring |
| 03:59.13 | Fogger | there were no errors on live |
| 03:59.19 | Fogger | only in the beta |
| 03:59.29 | Kaso | because you already had a saved variable established i guess |
| 03:59.31 | Shirik | ^ |
| 03:59.50 | Kaso | change line 6 to "if (locinfosave and ... |
| 03:59.52 | Kaso | and it will work |
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| 04:01.03 | Kaso | but also you should use true instead of 1 so you can do if(locinfosave["debug"]) then instead of ==nil, and for neatness if (not locinfosave["debug"]) then is better than locinfosave["debug"]==nil in my opinion |
| 04:01.21 | Kaso | but those are not runtimes errors just coding practises |
| 04:01.22 | Fogger | so I need to check the var exists before I check for fields within it? |
| 04:01.43 | Kaso | yes |
| 04:02.06 | Kaso | lua> if (t["fred"]) then print("WOOHOO") end |
| 04:02.06 | lua_bot | Kaso: luabot:1: attempt to index global 't' (a nil value) |
| 04:02.40 | Kaso | lua> if (t["fred"]) then print("WOOHOO") end print("this code after the erroring code does not get executed") |
| 04:02.41 | lua_bot | Kaso: luabot:1: attempt to index global 't' (a nil value) |
| 04:02.48 | Fogger | yes, it all makes sense now :) |
| 04:02.57 | Fogger | thanks, sorry, I am stupidly new to this, and tutorials are few & mostly outdated. |
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| 04:03.33 | Tem|afk | okay lol |
| 04:03.39 | Tem|afk | "Can you misdirect to yourself?" |
| 04:03.54 | Fogger | no |
| 04:04.04 | Tem|afk | obviously |
| 04:04.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't see why not. :p |
| 04:04.49 | Fogger | cursor just does not detect a target when over yourself |
| 04:05.24 | NightHawkTheSane | well, obviously, mechanically you cannot. |
| 04:05.38 | NightHawkTheSane | but i dont see why it's prevented. if people want to be dumb, that's their problem. :p |
| 04:05.52 | Fogger | well, it makes little sense, I spose just shooting without misdirect directs the aggro to you :) |
| 04:05.54 | Kaso | i bet i'd cause some wierd unexpected bug |
| 04:06.18 | Syzgyn | you can MD your pet :P |
| 04:06.39 | NightHawkTheSane | well your pet is a different creature |
| 04:07.10 | Fogger | I somehow missed the speech marks :P |
| 04:07.12 | Wobin | Sure you can |
| 04:07.25 | Wobin | all you do is stand your model on top of a nearby squishy |
| 04:07.31 | Wobin | then cast misdirect on -them- |
| 04:07.35 | Kaso | lol |
| 04:12.21 | Kaso | Anyone speak german? what would Kampfschlumpf mean? google only translates half the word |
| 04:12.36 | Wobin | ~x de en Kampfschlumpf |
| 04:12.52 | Kaso | ah that clears things up |
| 04:12.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:13.54 | Shirik | ~x de en schlumpf |
| 04:14.14 | Wobin | ~x de en Schlümpfe |
| 04:14.22 | Wobin | woo |
| 04:14.27 | Kaso | purl does not like unicode |
| 04:14.32 | Wobin | although that translates to Smurfs |
| 04:14.33 | Wobin | in google |
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| 04:14.48 | Wobin | So, Kampfschlümpfe could potentially mean Smurf Fight |
| 04:15.00 | Kaso | fighting smurf? |
| 04:15.08 | Kaso | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7DT-iWY44-k |
| 04:15.21 | Fogger | battlesmurf |
| 04:15.25 | Shirik | battlesmurf! |
| 04:15.28 | Shirik | That sounds awesome |
| 04:15.29 | Kaso | lol |
| 04:15.56 | Wobin | hehe |
| 04:16.02 | Wobin | Putin the BattleSmurf |
| 04:16.42 | kd3 | ah, hell |
| 04:16.54 | kd3 | the world server has to crash while doing the amphitheatre of anguish quests |
| 04:17.16 | Kaso | putin is like 100x cooler and menacing than bush is |
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| 04:20.31 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: it crashed for me basically 1-2 times each fight doing that. :p |
| 04:20.51 | Fogger | its u crashing the server!! |
| 04:21.32 | Wobin | Kaso |
| 04:21.45 | Wobin | I think it's a play on words from the original song from Pippi Longstocking |
| 04:21.47 | Wobin | aka Pippi Langstrumpfs |
| 04:22.03 | Kaso | I see |
| 04:22.28 | Kaso | I think i like battlesmurf better to be honest ;p |
| 04:22.34 | Wobin | those whacky germans |
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| 04:24.02 | Wobin | so instead of Pippi Longstocking |
| 04:24.06 | Wobin | it's Putin fightstockings |
| 04:24.26 | Kaso | that does make sense |
| 04:26.14 | Wobin | thus ends my lesson on german humour =P |
| 04:26.37 | Kaso | even only getting like 10% of that video i could still watch it all day |
| 04:26.43 | Wobin | hehe |
| 04:26.50 | Wobin | You have a mancrush on Putin? =) |
| 04:27.15 | Kaso | <3 |
| 04:27.20 | kd3 | WTF |
| 04:27.25 | Dashkal | ... |
| 04:27.37 | Dashkal | It was working fine most of this evening. Wtf is going on now? |
| 04:33.50 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679910152&sid=2000 |
| 04:34.13 | Fogger | so if OnInitialise = ADDON_LOADED, what would OnUpdate be? |
| 04:34.25 | Shirik | what is OnInitialise? |
| 04:34.28 | Fogger | oh nvm, got an answer on #wowace |
| 04:34.51 | Wobin | it's a ace thing |
| 04:35.07 | Tekkub | ugh, I'm still undecided on Panda... do I break the crafting panels off into their own addon or keep em together? |
| 04:35.15 | Shirik | fix BE emotes!! |
| 04:35.17 | Shirik | <3 |
| 04:35.25 | Tekkub | fuck belfs |
| 04:35.36 | Tekkub | I'd rather play with pandas |
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| 04:37.12 | kd3 | lmao |
| 04:37.34 | Tekkub | ? |
| 04:39.03 | kd3 | every time we're about to start the amphitheatre of angquish quest, *splat* |
| 04:39.24 | Tekkub | working as intended |
| 04:39.27 | kd3 | angquish? |
| 04:39.42 | Kaso | perhaps its not a coincidence? are you making the server die? |
| 04:39.55 | Tekkub | it's agonizing, but quenches your thirst at the same time |
| 04:40.10 | kd3 | at this point, I'm about to start thinking that correlation = causation in this case |
| 04:41.29 | Fogger | is there an event that fires on every rendered frame? |
| 04:41.41 | kd3 | onupdate |
| 04:41.58 | Fogger | isnt that Ace only? |
| 04:42.01 | kd3 | no |
| 04:42.12 | Fogger | oh cool |
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| 04:42.55 | Fogger | does onupdate fire before ADDON_LOADED? |
| 04:43.03 | Kaso | yes |
| 04:43.09 | Fogger | thanks! |
| 04:43.32 | Fogger | would it be an awful idea to declare vars in onupdate? :) |
| 04:43.33 | Tekkub | uhm, it shouldn't fire before PLAYER_LOGIN I think |
| 04:43.45 | Tekkub | it doesn't fire between PLW and PEW |
| 04:43.58 | Kaso | really? hmm |
| 04:44.11 | Tekkub | you should do as little as possible in OnUpdates |
| 04:44.23 | Fogger | yeah, im thinking that |
| 04:44.41 | Tekkub | Kaso, yea, just like how a lot of events don't fire during zoning that used to, like BAG_UPDATE |
| 04:44.45 | Fogger | dont want to be running 50 lines of code on every rendered frame :) |
| 04:45.04 | Kaso | what are you doing onupdate? |
| 04:45.14 | Fogger | coord update |
| 04:45.26 | Fogger | but it pulls the precision from a var |
| 04:45.36 | Wobin | for display purposes? |
| 04:45.37 | Tekkub | that's pretty easy to keep tiny |
| 04:45.46 | Fogger | prob is, var = nil |
| 04:45.48 | Kaso | you can use the delta argument to make it so you code only runs every second or something |
| 04:45.57 | Fogger | not declared yet |
| 04:46.00 | Tekkub | delta arg? |
| 04:46.19 | Kaso | the first argument of onupdate is the delta since last call. |
| 04:46.28 | Fogger | learn something eveery day huh? :) |
| 04:46.44 | Kaso | time = (time or 0) + arg1 if time > 1 then time=0 docode() end |
| 04:46.47 | Tekkub | oh you mean elapsed :P |
| 04:46.59 | Kaso | as your onupdate will only do one docode() call per second |
| 04:47.02 | Tekkub | I thought you meant passing a delta when you registered the handler |
| 04:47.07 | Tekkub | I was like WTFC? |
| 04:47.09 | Kaso | potatoes patatoes |
| 04:48.13 | Fogger | so how would I get around calling saved vars in onupdate, declare them in PEW? |
| 04:48.18 | Kaso | what potatoes are i have no idea |
| 04:48.36 | Tekkub | why are you screwing with a SV in an onupdate? |
| 04:49.40 | Fogger | for coordinate update, it checks the precision level from saved var |
| 04:50.01 | Amarande | hmm, before I make major system changes |
| 04:50.09 | Tekkub | pull the SV into a local on AL? |
| 04:50.27 | Amarande | If I have an installed copy of WoW and do, say, what is effectively moving WoW to another hard drive |
| 04:50.38 | Amarande | will WoW still run as such, or will it complain due to registry issues? |
| 04:50.52 | Fogger | but wouldnt it still be nil since the sv->local wouldnt happen yet? |
| 04:50.55 | Tekkub | no complaint |
| 04:51.05 | kd3 | only time wow looks for reg values is when patching |
| 04:51.10 | Amarande | ahh, now I just have to see if it works in wine, and if it does, should be fine :) |
| 04:51.20 | Amarande | basically, another family member and I, both have WoW accounts |
| 04:51.31 | Fogger | yeah, I never re-install after a format, just pull out a shortcut |
| 04:51.33 | Kaso | Fogger, then check it is not nill before doing your onupdate stuf |
| 04:51.33 | ajmitch | Amarande: works without a problem |
| 04:51.34 | Amarande | and Wine maintains a separate set of virtual 'hard drives' per user, as I understand it |
| 04:51.51 | Amarande | ah good. :) |
| 04:52.00 | Fogger | yeah, but then I end up declaring the vars in the onupdate dont I? |
| 04:52.06 | Kaso | ~user/.wine/drive_c/ |
| 04:52.15 | ajmitch | I had an install from wine, shared it via samba, and ran it on XP without issues |
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| 04:53.12 | Kaso | dont register your OnUpdate script until Initialize? |
| 04:53.25 | Kaso | that or do "time = (time or 0) + arg1 if time > 1 and variable then time=0 docode() end" |
| 04:54.04 | Fogger | function LocInfo:OnUpdate() is right at the bottom of my script, if that makes a difference |
| 04:54.15 | Tekkub | it doesn't |
| 04:54.46 | Kaso | im not sure how ace does SetScript'ing |
| 04:55.04 | Fogger | I wish I could just start again without ace tbh |
| 04:55.10 | Tekkub | Ace provides timer libs |
| 04:55.28 | Tekkub | Fogger, it's best you learn WITHOUT ace |
| 04:55.36 | Tekkub | then use it when you understand how it works |
| 04:56.14 | Fogger | are the fara frames tutorials still usable? |
| 04:56.41 | Fogger | I was put off when I saw TOC ver:1600 or something similar |
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| 04:57.06 | Fogger | Ideaelly I'd like to avoid XML as much as possible |
| 04:57.11 | Tekkub | yea..... just dissect an up to date addon that does similar to what you want |
| 04:57.21 | Tekkub | you can avoid XML completely |
| 04:57.40 | Fogger | how did you learn? |
| 04:57.52 | Fogger | time & patience I spose |
| 04:58.07 | Tekkub | ripping apart other addons |
| 04:58.19 | kd3 | zomg, korrak? |
| 04:58.20 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 04:59.46 | Fogger | I thought most addons used more advanced features that I really shouldnt try to understand at my level |
| 05:00.14 | Tekkub | so start with smaller shit? |
| 05:00.55 | Fogger | yeah, will look around, see where it gets me, thanks for the tip |
| 05:02.00 | Fogger | what better place to start than www.tekkub.net :) |
| 05:02.11 | Tekkub | :P |
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| 05:16.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone remember that guy who stopped by UI&Macros a bit ago asking about mailing gold and adjusting SILVER_PER_GOLD? |
| 05:16.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 05:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | He came back |
| 05:16.36 | ScytheBlade1 | This time on the CSF |
| 05:16.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679630299&sid=1 |
| 05:19.45 | Neuro_Medivh | what was he wanting to do, make an addon that deliberately deceived the user? |
| 05:20.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Mailed gold off to him |
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| 05:20.07 | Syzgyn | Hah |
| 05:20.10 | ScytheBlade1 | And then adjusted SILVER_PER_GOLD so that the user never knew |
| 05:20.20 | Neuro_Medivh | HMMMMMM |
| 05:20.28 | ScytheBlade1 | He was pretty blatent about it too, he literally said that in his (now deleted) UI&Macros thread |
| 05:20.51 | Syzgyn | lol, "wow, owned by a non-blue" |
| 05:20.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Read my reply ^^ |
| 05:21.14 | ScytheBlade1 | like |
| 05:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | You were told not to post about it, but you kept going |
| 05:21.25 | ScytheBlade1 | You got banned |
| 05:21.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you ask why you got banned? |
| 05:21.51 | ScytheBlade1 | He was pretty thick in the first place, but wow... |
| 05:21.55 | Neuro_Medivh | it's the internet, why are surprised? |
| 05:22.10 | Neuro_Medivh | s/are/are you |
| 05:22.27 | Wobin | you should have replied that he also had put a rude word in his signature =P |
| 05:22.30 | ScytheBlade1 | The intertubes continually surprise me |
| 05:22.36 | ScytheBlade1 | He did? |
| 05:22.38 | Wobin | no |
| 05:22.41 | Wobin | =P |
| 05:22.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:23.11 | Wobin | or had a "Want to make gold from your addon? Ask me how!" tagline =) |
| 05:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:24.25 | Neuro_Medivh | More proof of the brilliance of WoW players: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=A8BADDB87AEF60C0E1FCCD7BCB6BF6EA.app05_06?topicId=9679800106&sid=1 |
| 05:25.13 | Neuro_Medivh | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679800106&sid=1 actually... not sure what sessionid is, but it's probably not good |
| 05:30.17 | Syzgyn | lol Neuro_Medivh |
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| 05:37.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh, is mounting in cities broken again? |
| 05:38.22 | Neuro_Medivh | think so |
| 05:38.50 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, whoever said Target had Warhammer beta accounts for $1 was incorrect |
| 05:41.21 | Industrial | Neuro_Medivh: where CAn iget a beta key then |
| 05:41.44 | Fogger | if I wanted to pull some info from the melee stats in character pane, where would I begin to find it, CharacterFrame.lua/xml? |
| 05:42.06 | Syzgyn | Fogger: You want to get the stats:" |
| 05:42.07 | Syzgyn | ? |
| 05:42.15 | Fogger | yeah |
| 05:42.21 | Syzgyn | Theres API calls for that |
| 05:42.56 | Fogger | yeah, I realise there must be, I mean to find out what these api calls are? |
| 05:43.08 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API |
| 05:43.23 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 05:43.29 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
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| 05:44.06 | Syzgyn | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Character_Functions specifically |
| 05:44.15 | Arrowmaster | Fogger: from what i remember all those functions you are looking for begin with Unit* |
| 05:44.31 | Fogger | not in Character Functions then? |
| 05:44.37 | Syzgyn | and http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Unit_Functions |
| 05:44.45 | Syzgyn | Its split up |
| 05:45.06 | Arrowmaster | oh wait yeah some of them are in character functions now |
| 05:45.19 | Fogger | well, specifically I want to access weapon speeds |
| 05:45.28 | Arrowmaster | thats a unit one i think |
| 05:45.28 | Neuro_Medivh | Industrial: If i knew, I'd get one myself =( |
| 05:45.36 | Industrial | :< |
| 05:45.46 | Industrial | all the sites seem to be out of keys |
| 05:45.55 | Neuro_Medivh | well, I'm sure Fileplanet has more |
| 05:45.57 | Fogger | UnitAttackSpeed("unit") |
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| 05:45.58 | Industrial | i think its retarded that i have to sign up at some shitty fan site tog et a key |
| 05:46.00 | Neuro_Medivh | but you have to pay 15 bucks to subscribe |
| 05:46.03 | Industrial | how is that 'open' |
| 05:46.16 | Industrial | l2mmo |
| 05:46.18 | Industrial | :< |
| 05:46.33 | Neuro_Medivh | someone was saying that Target or someone else had "pre-orders" for 1$ that got you a beta code |
| 05:46.48 | Neuro_Medivh | but the local Targets around here thought I was smoking crack when I mentioned it |
| 05:46.53 | Industrial | actually I palyed Mythic's last game, Dark Age of Camelot |
| 05:46.59 | Industrial | in the open beta just fine |
| 05:47.18 | Industrial | but that was 1999 or 2000 or so :p |
| 05:47.23 | Neuro_Medivh | DAoC was interesting, but it was just so much like EQ that I stuck with EQ |
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| 05:47.45 | Industrial | ah, I never played eq. daoc was my first mmo and i loved it hehe |
| 05:47.59 | Neuro_Medivh | EQ was great for the first 2 expansions |
| 05:48.20 | Neuro_Medivh | then it went to shit |
| 05:48.37 | Industrial | how |
| 05:49.00 | Neuro_Medivh | the third expansion, Shadows of Luclin, had bosses that required 30+ minutes to kill |
| 05:49.03 | Fogger | it says: "The unit's BASE main hand attack speed", but the info in the char pane isnt base, it takes into account haste, heroism etc |
| 05:49.25 | Neuro_Medivh | WHILE CCing 8 mobs |
| 05:49.30 | Industrial | lol :p |
| 05:49.57 | Neuro_Medivh | It became horrible endurance fights |
| 05:50.13 | Industrial | im more interested in pvp |
| 05:50.16 | Neuro_Medivh | and since nothing was instanced, guilds jacked each other all the time |
| 05:50.24 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, lordie... PvP in EQ was a joke |
| 05:50.24 | Industrial | and daoc wasnt even centered around pvp |
| 05:50.30 | Industrial | it was Realm versus Realm |
| 05:50.42 | Industrial | huge 50v50v50 fights |
| 05:50.49 | Industrial | siege warfare |
| 05:50.57 | Industrial | capture towers and castles |
| 05:51.03 | Industrial | put your guild flag on it etc |
| 05:51.06 | Industrial | it was the shit :p |
| 05:51.07 | Arrowmaster | Fogger: dont worry about what wowwiki says, its not base but modified by haste, to get base you have to actually scan the weapons tooltips i think |
| 05:51.15 | Neuro_Medivh | in EQ, there were 3 pvp realms. And the GMs were essentially told, "We don't care what happens on the PVP realms. They can be as ugly as they want" |
| 05:51.17 | Industrial | wow doesnt even have this kind of pvp |
| 05:52.09 | Neuro_Medivh | from what I understood, RvR got old, as one faction simply dominated |
| 05:52.15 | Neuro_Medivh | depending on server |
| 05:53.28 | Industrial | yeah people just started rolling on the winning faction |
| 05:53.42 | Industrial | but hey, ab as alliance sucks too right |
| 05:53.56 | Industrial | most of the times/battlegroups |
| 05:54.08 | Amarande | Neuro: But did EQ ever have enrage timers? :) |
| 05:54.20 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 05:54.21 | Industrial | what killed it for me was that everyone started using second accounts |
| 05:54.24 | Industrial | with bots on them |
| 05:54.28 | Industrial | 'buffbots' |
| 05:54.46 | Amarande | I'm not a fan of enrage timers. I'm of the sort that says that if you could, in the absence of a hard enrage timer, endure the battle indefinitely till win, you should be allowed to |
| 05:54.52 | Neuro_Medivh | there were a few mobs that had timers on them, and if you didn't kill them in the timers they just destroyed you |
| 05:54.53 | Industrial | basically have every possible buff on you for pvp, always |
| 05:55.17 | Industrial | they later nerfed it by being out of distance fo the bot (which was parked i a safe zone) |
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| 05:55.20 | Arrowmaster | i had a lot of guildmates that came to wow from daoc, and from what i heard it ended up that you perty much had to have a buffbot to compete |
| 05:55.24 | Amarande | If a sense of urgency is desired, then it should be based in the way the boss's abilities work, i.e., a boss being strong enough or inducing enough attrition that you just CAN'T indefinitely survive |
| 05:55.34 | Industrial | Arrowmaster: yes it was retarded |
| 05:55.37 | Amarande | for instance, Faerlina, Gruul, Kaz'rogal ... those are good examples of race fights that don't cop out with a fixed timer |
| 05:55.38 | Industrial | its why i quit |
| 05:56.05 | Fogger | Arrowmaster: ty m8, it is indeed not base :) |
| 05:56.13 | Industrial | its like requiring you to use multiboxing ... |
| 05:56.14 | Neuro_Medivh | EQ also had the stupidest mechanic of all, Death Touch |
| 05:56.16 | Amarande | I'm not sure why they felt the need to have the fixed timers instead |
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| 05:56.18 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: some soft enrages are totally gay though, like zuljin |
| 05:56.29 | Amarande | I wonder if Faerlina will be returning in Naxx80 |
| 05:56.31 | Syzgyn | ZJ has a soft enrage? |
| 05:56.39 | Amarande | that's one interesting looking boss battle I never got to see |
| 05:56.44 | kd3 | she is |
| 05:56.50 | Arrowmaster | yes, the stacking debuff he puts on you in the last phase is considered a soft enrage |
| 05:56.52 | kd3 | naxx10's been cleared already |
| 05:56.56 | Syzgyn | Ah, true |
| 05:57.00 | Syzgyn | naxx25 has been too |
| 05:57.09 | Arrowmaster | kd3: horsemen details? |
| 05:57.14 | Amarande | Exactly, soft enrages are fine, hard enrages are an example of dumb design |
| 05:57.22 | Syzgyn | 2 ranged tanks |
| 05:57.28 | Amarande | unless the story circumstances of the battle (e.g., Overdrive Mode Sin from FFX) actually dictate such a thing |
| 05:57.29 | kd3 | I haven't seen much. 10-man, 4h go to their own corners iirc |
| 05:57.37 | kd3 | I'm still 78 |
| 05:57.41 | kd3 | going on second-hand accounts |
| 05:57.43 | Syzgyn | Theres a video on Worldofraids of it |
| 05:57.50 | Syzgyn | well, warcraftmovies technically |
| 05:58.03 | Neuro_Medivh | Naxx is a known quantity though |
| 05:58.04 | Arrowmaster | good because i wont visit that first shitty site |
| 05:58.10 | Syzgyn | from a Mage's POV, tanking one of the horsemen |
| 05:58.13 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 05:58.15 | Amarande | hence why Kaz'rogal and Gruul are better races than say Netherspite |
| 05:58.29 | Amarande | you can't live forever, but how long you do, depends on you and your preparation and strategy, rather than a BOOM timer |
| 05:58.57 | Amarande | also: Brutallus is the worst designed boss ever in WoW. That is all. |
| 05:59.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I can understand WHY they do it though |
| 05:59.08 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 05:59.17 | Amarande | Neuro: because prot pally tanks are usually hopelessly imba without? |
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| 05:59.33 | Syzgyn | Imagine how easy Brutallus would be without an enrage though |
| 05:59.40 | Neuro_Medivh | because they want a balance between defense and offense |
| 05:59.43 | Amarande | well, yeah. |
| 05:59.49 | Amarande | though I do think they should have made the timer a little longer |
| 05:59.58 | Syzgyn | how come? |
| 06:00.16 | Neuro_Medivh | I think of something like Void Reaver, where surviving is only half the issue, the other half is speed |
| 06:00.22 | Syzgyn | guilds that have gone past him are doing it in 5 minutes now |
| 06:00.29 | Amarande | A certain level of gear check can be fine, but Brut is just -too- much of a gear check |
| 06:00.33 | Syzgyn | I disagree |
| 06:00.47 | NightHawkTheSane | so.. frost/unholy, or frost/blood! quick! |
| 06:00.50 | Syzgyn | I think its a great indicator of if you should be able to go on or not |
| 06:00.54 | Amarande | let's just say you started a group now. |
| 06:00.59 | Neuro_Medivh | blood/blood |
| 06:01.19 | Amarande | a group that is of natural WoW talents who will latch onto the "right strategy" aspect within one or two fights |
| 06:01.20 | Neuro_Medivh | but if you must, frost/unholy |
| 06:01.45 | Amarande | and you raided as much as you could |
| 06:01.50 | Neuro_Medivh | seeing thott's statistical breakdown, though, I weep for the future of DKs |
| 06:01.59 | Amarande | I can see you getting through to Illidan in a month, maybe, especially with the aid of badge gear |
| 06:02.10 | Syzgyn | Agreed |
| 06:02.16 | Amarande | But you'd NEVER get past Brutallus simply because of all the ages of farming that it would take you to meet the gear check. |
| 06:02.26 | Amarande | Unless the Moirae themselves shined upon you with every drop. |
| 06:02.44 | Syzgyn | Again, agreed. It'd take a bit of farming |
| 06:02.46 | Amarande | and let's just say this |
| 06:02.47 | Syzgyn | However, |
| 06:02.48 | Amarande | I'm not lucky. :) |
| 06:03.02 | Amarande | I went through a kara run all the way to chess event a couple weeks ago without there being one single solitary piece of caster dps cloth :S |
| 06:03.12 | Syzgyn | If by some stroke of luck you did get past brutallus, eredar twins would immediately eat you |
| 06:03.16 | Syzgyn | same with Mu'ru |
| 06:03.44 | Syzgyn | Its a big gear check going into sunwell, but its pretty inline with the rest of the bosses |
| 06:04.07 | Amarande | I guess I get the impression that for Brutallus you basically need a slew of rogues sporting warglaives to meet the DPS requirement |
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| 06:04.31 | Syzgyn | They certainly help I'm sure |
| 06:04.49 | Amarande | there's also very little room for build choices, something I've heard the WOTLK raid balance is supposed to address |
| 06:05.15 | Neuro_Medivh | the reason there is such a gear check is because of the large time gap in deployment from BT to Sunwell |
| 06:05.21 | Syzgyn | That too |
| 06:05.22 | Arrowmaster | we killed brut in 5min 30sec last week and we only have a warrior with a glaive set and i dont even think he was in for brut |
| 06:05.23 | Amarande | for instance, I'm currently leveling a shaman as elemental ... but I gather that that has no raid future in BC past ... well, I'm not sure of the cutoff but I don't think there's any room for ele shammies in Sunwell at least |
| 06:05.37 | Syzgyn | There is |
| 06:05.39 | Neuro_Medivh | not till 3.0 hits |
| 06:05.41 | Amarande | and that's despite going with the hardcore 52/9/0 ultra DPS spec |
| 06:05.57 | Amarande | 52/9/0 - sacrifice virtually *everything* for more elemental dps |
| 06:05.59 | Syzgyn | You might not be top DPS, but theres alot of utility |
| 06:06.07 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, my predictions: 3.0 will hit right before WAR goes live |
| 06:06.13 | Arrowmaster | no way |
| 06:06.22 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 06:06.24 | Amarande | the only reason for the nine enhancement points? I couldn't find any more useful spots for ele points that weren't mainly for PvP |
| 06:06.44 | Amarande | so I'm going with the mana increasing talent, improved defensive totems and improved ghostwolf |
| 06:06.45 | Arrowmaster | beta is so fucked on balance right now we wont see 3.0 until winter i bet |
| 06:06.50 | Amarande | say, speaking of 3.0 |
| 06:06.58 | Amarande | anyone know if WoW is still working with Wine as of WOTLK? |
| 06:07.07 | Amarande | or is this where Linux WoWers get off the bus? |
| 06:07.09 | Arrowmaster | it works right now.... |
| 06:07.24 | Neuro_Medivh | Arrowmaster, Lich King will hit before December, 3.0 will hit probably by September's End |
| 06:07.35 | Arrowmaster | Neuro_Medivh: no |
| 06:07.47 | Arrowmaster | no way in hell will we see 3.0 on live that soon |
| 06:07.50 | kd3 | amarande; wfm here |
| 06:07.59 | kd3 | been ok since alpha |
| 06:08.02 | kd3 | saaaaaa |
| 06:08.30 | Neuro_Medivh | I respectfully disagree. 2.0 hit live first week of December, a full 6 weeks before BC dropped |
| 06:08.49 | Amarande | Level cap stays 70 until WOTLK's actual release, right? |
| 06:08.53 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 06:09.13 | Arrowmaster | except 2.0 was much more balanced at this point than 3.0 is |
| 06:09.20 | Amarande | What's the highest DPS anyone's managed so far with an ele shammy in BC, btw? |
| 06:09.26 | kd3 | we've still got a ways to go until 3.0 hits live |
| 06:09.27 | Syzgyn | no idea |
| 06:09.30 | Neuro_Medivh | given that all indicators are for a mid-Nov release, I'd say the end of Sept or beginning of Oct is a good timeframe for 3.0 |
| 06:09.32 | Amarande | I suppose when not raiding, ele is better than enh though |
| 06:09.47 | Neuro_Medivh | kd3, why do you say that? |
| 06:09.47 | Amarande | Enhancement demands far too intimate a knowledge of the tank to be a good 5-man spec especially in a PUG |
| 06:09.55 | Arrowmaster | Neuro_Medivh: also nov is not going to happen, dec release is the goal afaik |
| 06:10.36 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, I still stand by my prediction of mid-nov... I could very well be wrong |
| 06:10.50 | Neuro_Medivh | admittedly, I'm simply going by BC's timetable |
| 06:10.53 | Arrowmaster | Neuro_Medivh: like i said, balance is totally fucked right now, if they put 3.0 live they would probably drive more people away from the game until wrath |
| 06:11.02 | Amarande | Enh: You have a 10% aggro window and no aggro drop. With a tank you don't really know well or who isn't as geared as you? Fail. :) |
| 06:11.17 | Neuro_Medivh | I didn't say tomorrow, I said in 3-4 weeks |
| 06:11.20 | Amarande | Ele: You have a 30% aggro window, plus a lot of the aggro other classes would directly get goes to your totems anyway |
| 06:11.21 | Neuro_Medivh | more like 4 |
| 06:11.26 | Arrowmaster | which is still too soon |
| 06:11.35 | Arrowmaster | since it wont be fixed by then |
| 06:11.37 | Neuro_Medivh | I see it hitting PTR this week or next |
| 06:11.46 | Arrowmaster | lol no |
| 06:11.53 | Arrowmaster | they just put premades up on beta |
| 06:11.58 | Arrowmaster | no reason at all to do a ptr |
| 06:11.59 | kd3 | I fully expect it'll hit PTR soonish |
| 06:12.07 | kd3 | 70 balance != 80 balance |
| 06:12.13 | Neuro_Medivh | what do premades have to do with 3.0 ptr? |
| 06:12.20 | Neuro_Medivh | the premades are to test PVP balance |
| 06:12.24 | Amarande | BTW, am I understanding correctly that enhancement shamans' gear is completely screwed as soon as 3.0 comes out? |
| 06:12.25 | Arrowmaster | they will gather balance data from it |
| 06:12.41 | Neuro_Medivh | Amarande, sort of... a lot of the set gear is being redone |
| 06:12.43 | Amarande | while elementals use the same gear as always? |
| 06:12.50 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 06:12.54 | Amarande | not that I'm likely to be seeing T4-6 on my ele shammy anyway |
| 06:13.07 | Amarande | the dragonscale epic set will be tops for Sheriana I'm sure |
| 06:13.16 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, I don't know if the stat changes to shaman will be in 3.0 |
| 06:13.36 | Amarande | also: how is the balance between healing and DPS caster gear being addressed? |
| 06:13.49 | Arrowmaster | its ot |
| 06:13.50 | Arrowmaster | not |
| 06:13.52 | Amarande | I understand that in 3.0, healing gets a larger spellpower boost |
| 06:13.58 | Amarande | doesn't this mean, that if you can spare the mp5 |
| 06:14.07 | Amarande | that all you have to do as a healer to be hopelessly imba is to equip a few caster dps pieces? |
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| 06:14.28 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:14.36 | Arrowmaster | since healing gear has spellpower too |
| 06:15.06 | Amarande | Yeah, and healing will have a much larger spellpower bonus to compensate for the conversion of "+X healing and +Y spell damage" to "+Y spell power" |
| 06:15.13 | Arrowmaster | just dps gear has +hit and healing gear has more mp5/spirit |
| 06:15.21 | kd3 | 1 spellpower is about 1.8 heal |
| 06:15.31 | Amarande | But +Y on healer gear is much smaller ... which means, if you can get away with equipping dps spellpower gear ... your healing goes through the roof |
| 06:15.54 | Arrowmaster | from what i saw it wasnt 'much smaller' |
| 06:16.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: yes, the strength of your heals between "dps" gear and "healer" gear with similar spell power numbers will likely be the same. but most healers would be going after healer oriented pieces.. |
| 06:16.27 | Arrowmaster | plus with the rest of the changes healers shouldnt be aiming for large amounts of spellpower but for large amounts of regen |
| 06:16.47 | Amarande | ahh ... are we going for healers then who can go on forever? |
| 06:16.55 | Amarande | like some monks were able to in Guild Wars? |
| 06:16.56 | NightHawkTheSane | not strictly |
| 06:17.02 | Amarande | *grumbles about monk bosses in Nightfall ...* |
| 06:17.12 | NightHawkTheSane | but the downranking changes mean you can't stack +heal to downrank and save mana |
| 06:17.25 | NightHawkTheSane | so regen becomes more important for any kind of sane longevity |
| 06:17.27 | Amarande | doesn't matter too much to me, since I never learned to downrank heals LOL |
| 06:17.48 | Gnarfoz | <Amarande> But you'd NEVER get past Brutallus simply because of all the ages of farming that it would take you to meet the gear check. <-- DnT did it pretty quick? ;p |
| 06:17.59 | NightHawkTheSane | plus, having "bigger" heals will probably be less important than having faster heals but *shrug* |
| 06:18.10 | Amarande | we'll see when wotlk is out. |
| 06:18.36 | Amarande | btw, is there going to be a 24 slot generic bag at all? |
| 06:18.46 | Amarande | or will tailors, as I suspect, merely tie with Haris Pilton for largest bag? |
| 06:18.50 | Arrowmaster | afaik no |
| 06:18.59 | NightHawkTheSane | give it another expansion and maybe |
| 06:19.11 | Amarande | which makes me wonder also ... how long before the 22 slot tailoring bag is a better deal than the Gigantique |
| 06:19.21 | Arrowmaster | a long time |
| 06:19.25 | Amarande | I presume it will eventually be, since usually Blizzard punishes you for going for the vendor. :) |
| 06:19.31 | Amarande | and I assume eventually it'll be around what the PMC bag costs now |
| 06:19.48 | Arrowmaster | no it has much worse mat require ment afaik |
| 06:21.13 | Amarande | Arrow: actually according to wowhead, not really |
| 06:21.21 | Amarande | it still uses eight total pieces of four-day cooldown cloth |
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| 06:21.52 | Amarande | the only real difference is this time you need four each of two different types, so you can't make it as fast with one character as you could by speccing PMC in BC |
| 06:22.39 | Amarande | the main reason it will be prohibitively expensive for a long while is that the first few months of four day cooldown cloth will pretty much all go to casters' 80 BoP perk sets |
| 06:22.45 | Amarande | so there won't be much for bags/on the market for a while |
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| 06:24.04 | Gnarfoz | *g* regarding Brutallus and SWP gear requirements, I will forever remember these two screenshots: http://www.dtguilds.com/images/brut.jpg & http://www.dtguilds.com/images/felmy.jpg |
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| 06:29.58 | Amarande | hey, it's Elk, maker of the most awesome buff bars that I've relied on for many months now. :) |
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| 06:38.58 | Elkano | :) |
| 06:39.13 | Dashkal | Oh no you don't... I'm _so_ close to my wings |
| 06:39.18 | Elkano | btw, wowcompares still hasn't been updated with the last two beta patches :( |
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| 06:39.50 | kd3 | that's what my diff emails are for. >.> |
| 06:42.27 | WobWork | ahahaha |
| 06:42.35 | WobWork | one of my friends just got another job offer |
| 06:42.47 | WobWork | her current job she hates, and she's so happy she sent this: |
| 06:42.49 | WobWork | HOW AWESOME IS WORK WHEN YOU DON'T CARE ANYMORE |
| 06:42.49 | WobWork | THIS AWESOME |
| 06:42.49 | WobWork | Also I just chased the dba down the corridor with a minuture cricket bat |
| 06:42.49 | WobWork | because he didn't give me my data today :P |
| 06:42.55 | Elkano | that secure shit wrt buffs hit me dead on :/ and still no idea how to cope with it :/ |
| 06:43.04 | Industrial | lol WobWork |
| 06:44.27 | Elkano | oh... seems like 8905 fixed my problem <3 |
| 06:47.20 | Elkano | still I should look into vehicles and stuff |
| 06:48.02 | nevcairiel | You knows whats even better |
| 06:48.14 | nevcairiel | buff gains and loses now have a owner in combat log |
| 06:48.16 | nevcairiel | its so nice |
| 06:49.18 | Elkano | they do? cool |
| 06:49.53 | Elkano | btw, I wanted to check if refreshing a buff now also fires UNIT_AURA... and if there is a better way to keep track of waepon buffs |
| 06:50.04 | Fogger | attempt to call method 'SetText' (a nil value) what would cause that? :) |
| 06:50.37 | Elkano | the first should be true since there is no more onupdate scanning code for blizzard buffs, the latter... well... |
| 06:50.51 | Elkano | Fogger, without context, hard to tell |
| 06:53.06 | Slix | . |
| 06:56.08 | Fogger | Elkano: what is the most obvious reason, cos thats probably it :) |
| 06:56.51 | Amarande | Elk, do you think EBB will still work-as-usual in WOTLK or are we going to be sans some functionality? |
| 06:57.07 | Thunder_Child | 22" widescreen monitor on woot |
| 06:57.10 | Amarande | in particular, I'm wondering about Blizzard's apparently waffly stance about protecting addon-based buff cancelling |
| 06:57.43 | Fogger | hey, ElkBuffBars, my favorite buff display mod! |
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| 06:59.28 | Elkano | Amarande, well, I just found a post on US forums by a user telling it's no longer protected in latest beta build |
| 07:02.08 | Thunder_Child | Elkano, correct, they removed protected buffs in combat |
| 07:03.42 | Amarande | Thunder: it was only in combat? |
| 07:04.06 | Amarande | that's not as bad then ... the main time lately I've clicked-off buffs has been definitely not in combat |
| 07:04.14 | Thunder_Child | Amarande, it was never an issue out of combat that i found |
| 07:04.31 | Amarande | it was always to get off my mount in the netherwing area because for some reason if I clicked the mount button again to dismiss my mount, it would immediately try to re-mount me |
| 07:05.08 | Amarande | which weirdness *only* ever happened in the netherwing area, too |
| 07:05.18 | Syzgyn | It might not be a big thing, but not being able to click off a BoP in combat would definitely suck :P |
| 07:05.46 | Syzgyn | Amarande: It had something to do with your mount being replaced, and it not recognizing if you were already mounted or not |
| 07:05.53 | WobWork | Racial "The Fall of Humanity": Feign death which may trick enemies into ignoring you. Any threat is restored versus enemies still in combat upon cancellation of this effect. 5min cooldown |
| 07:05.55 | WobWork | wtf? |
| 07:06.14 | WobWork | Worst named racial skill ever |
| 07:06.34 | Amarande | what race is that for? |
| 07:06.39 | Syzgyn | Harmanz |
| 07:06.49 | ReAn | anyone know if recount is working in beta>? |
| 07:07.02 | Syzgyn | Theres a working version somewhere I think |
| 07:07.08 | Amarande | Speaking of which, the most imba racial these days? Humans' rep bonus. :) |
| 07:07.23 | Amarande | People keep QQing about WotF and Arcane Torrent and the like ... NO, it's the human rep bonus that's imba |
| 07:07.27 | Syzgyn | Meh, its only a 4200 rep difference from neutral to exalted |
| 07:07.51 | Amarande | Syzgyn: for most factions, that saves multiple runs of instances that are irritatingly hard to get groups for |
| 07:08.03 | Elkano | well, my main problem wasn't the cancel functionality but the inability to reposition the secure frames on the fly in combat |
| 07:08.06 | Syzgyn | Oh, I'm not arguing its awesome |
| 07:08.10 | Syzgyn | <-- main is human |
| 07:08.16 | Amarande | the reason it's imba, is because BC is too based on rep grind |
| 07:08.19 | Arrowmaster | it was only a real difference back in the days of wintersaber and timbermaw rep |
| 07:08.27 | Syzgyn | Fuck both those reps too |
| 07:08.37 | Arrowmaster | reps in BC are so easy |
| 07:08.40 | Amarande | speaking of which ... is WOTLK still mainly based around rep grind, or something different? |
| 07:08.46 | Syzgyn | Doesnt seem to be |
| 07:09.00 | kd3 | I'm exalted with the main alliance faction and I've still got 3 zones worth of quests to do |
| 07:09.01 | ReAn | Amarande: so far no details on rep rewards |
| 07:09.08 | Syzgyn | Theres no rep vendors anywhere |
| 07:09.24 | Syzgyn | And no news on what heroic keys will be tied to |
| 07:09.33 | Amarande | also speaking of rep, a more technical thing: |
| 07:09.45 | Amarande | what is the lowest level, at which a draenei can potentially acquire a night elf mount? |
| 07:09.54 | Syzgyn | 30 |
| 07:09.54 | Amarande | i.e., what's the lowest level you can get exalted with Darnassus at on a Draenei? |
| 07:10.01 | WobWork | hm |
| 07:10.04 | Syzgyn | I would think |
| 07:10.09 | Amarande | Syz: you sure? |
| 07:10.09 | Elkano | yeah, 30.. just do turnins |
| 07:10.09 | Arrowmaster | 30 |
| 07:10.11 | Syzgyn | At worst, 50 |
| 07:10.21 | Amarande | I know there's some factions where you have to wait till 50 |
| 07:10.25 | Syzgyn | I dont know if theres a level req on runecloth |
| 07:10.34 | Amarande | like for a blood elf to get undead mount is apparently impossible until you can do the runecloth turnin at 50 |
| 07:10.36 | WobWork | I'm sure runecloth turnins are at 50? |
| 07:10.49 | Amarande | someone tried it, and came up just shy on the quests before then |
| 07:10.54 | Elkano | are they? never did them though ^^ |
| 07:10.55 | Syzgyn | I know my shammy was all but exalted with darnassus by 60 |
| 07:10.56 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Additional_Runecloth_(Darnassus) |
| 07:11.00 | Syzgyn | without doing any turnins |
| 07:11.02 | Amarande | but then, it's different for alliance |
| 07:11.16 | Amarande | since alliance start with 3000 more rep with all their factions than horde do |
| 07:11.37 | WobWork | you could potentially do it with morrowgrain turnins |
| 07:11.38 | Arrowmaster | wtf i wasnt even close to exalted with a city faction when i hit 60 |
| 07:11.50 | Amarande | Arrow: alliance or horde? |
| 07:11.50 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: they've changed pre60 rep gains |
| 07:11.58 | Arrowmaster | horde |
| 07:12.01 | Amarande | Arrow: that's why |
| 07:12.09 | Amarande | I have a 70 who's still not exalted with any of the five horde factions |
| 07:12.17 | Arrowmaster | and im still only exalted with org |
| 07:12.33 | Amarande | the closest I have is 18846 revered with Silvermoon |
| 07:12.45 | Arrowmaster | although my rogue got exalted with org too at 60 from AV |
| 07:12.51 | Amarande | which means, yes, alliance are coddled |
| 07:12.56 | Arrowmaster | only took like a week of AV |
| 07:13.02 | Amarande | because if horde started at the same level of rep with their factions that alliance does with theirs |
| 07:13.09 | Amarande | I would be exalted with SM |
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| 07:13.25 | Amarande | why do Alliance get to start at Friendly and Horde only Neutral, btw? |
| 07:13.39 | Arrowmaster | horde dont start at neutral |
| 07:13.43 | kd3 | because forsaken and belves aren't all that liked by the other 3? |
| 07:13.53 | Amarande | it doesn't make sense to me ... especially given that, geography wise, it's much easier for horde to mix and communicate with each other than alliance |
| 07:14.11 | Amarande | a horde character can make the furthest city run (Silvermoon to TB) in the single digits with no notable difficulty |
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| 07:14.44 | Amarande | an alliance character will be lucky to make it between the Darnassus/Exodar and IF/SW areas in one piece before at least the late teens |
| 07:15.02 | Arrowmaster | huh? you guys have boats between them all |
| 07:15.13 | Amarande | I've tried it. Every Horde character I've made the TB run with has made it alive, while every Alliance character I've tried to cross continents with at low level has died at least once or twice |
| 07:15.36 | Amarande | Arrow: it's impossible to get between Auberdine/Exodar/Darnassus area and the IF/SW area without going through at LEAST a 20-30 area |
| 07:15.56 | Arrowmaster | wetlands? |
| 07:16.01 | Amarande | Yeah |
| 07:16.51 | Amarande | And I'm nearly 100% sure, that you cannot make it through wetlands without aggroing at least one crocolisk that is close to the road |
| 07:16.51 | Arrowmaster | theres 2 boats in stormwind harbor though right? |
| 07:16.51 | Arrowmaster | one to northrend and the other to some major boat hub i thought |
| 07:17.25 | Amarande | Neither of those is available till WOTLK according to wowwiki |
| 07:17.34 | Arrowmaster | well 3.0 |
| 07:17.47 | Amarande | Until 3.0, you have to cross via Menethil |
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| 07:18.01 | Amarande | If you know a way to get through Wetlands in one piece with a 10-15 or so character, you know something I don't |
| 07:18.09 | Amarande | Unlike the Barrens, staying on the road is not enough |
| 07:18.47 | Amarande | and hell, even the crocolisk isn't the worst of it |
| 07:18.59 | Amarande | as you're passing through Dun Algaz there are a couple of Dragonmaw orcs levels 20-22 that are difficult to avoid at low level |
| 07:19.01 | kd3 | valiance keep and auberdine |
| 07:19.14 | kd3 | the darkshore < - > wetlands boat is now wetlands < - > howling fjord |
| 07:19.36 | Amarande | and if you die there ... you run -all- the way back from the middle of Wetlands through to the tunnel and up again :S |
| 07:19.51 | Amarande | Still wondering what the Dragonmaw are doing there, since their home is SMV lol |
| 07:20.05 | zenzio | I thought I read somewhere that you can die, release to spirit form, run to your destination, log out at a spirit healer, log back in and resurrect at the new spirit healer? |
| 07:20.28 | Amarande | You can always resurrect at any spirit healer ... but you end up where you first released |
| 07:20.39 | Tekkub | if you zone you can rez at a new SH |
| 07:20.55 | Tekkub | if you relog you come back in at the orig SH |
| 07:20.59 | zenzio | Amarande: that's where the loggin out and back in is supposed to come into play, but I never verified it myself |
| 07:23.37 | Tekkub | I think they're trying to overcompensate for the green-color gems in BC sucking so hard |
| 07:23.45 | Tekkub | there's like 19 rare green cuts |
| 07:23.49 | Tekkub | in wraf |
| 07:24.25 | Tekkub | and 22 rare oranges |
| 07:26.44 | Syzgyn | Are they any good though |
| 07:29.20 | Thunder_Child | yay, done will all 18 seasons of simpsons |
| 07:29.38 | Tekkub | same stats as before, just in more permutations |
| 07:29.46 | Thunder_Child | s/will/with/ |
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| 07:30.00 | Tekkub | and haste rating thrown in a bunch too, instead of few tacked on afterwards like before |
| 07:30.28 | Tem|afk | more classes can use haste rating now |
| 07:30.29 | Tem|afk | so it's good |
| 07:30.40 | Tekkub | and there's still only four rare blue cuts, lawl |
| 07:30.49 | Lyn | poor haste, so much highlights haha |
| 07:30.57 | Tekkub | I think they know everyone wants the stam cut on blues |
| 07:31.01 | Tem|afk | his fault imo |
| 07:31.07 | Lyn | ;D |
| 07:31.07 | Tekkub | I think haste has a filter |
| 07:31.18 | Lyn | for haste? or haste+rating? |
| 07:31.20 | Tekkub | but never know, haste can be kinda dumb sometimes |
| 07:31.30 | Lyn | haha |
| 07:31.40 | Tekkub | raw haste is a yellow cut |
| 07:31.51 | Tekkub | haste + something are on green and orange |
| 07:31.59 | Lyn | ^^ |
| 07:32.00 | Tekkub | which is prolly why there's so many of em |
| 07:32.29 | cladhaire | cool |
| 07:32.35 | Tekkub | mixing with red or blue covers almost all the other base stats |
| 07:33.25 | Tekkub | Here's my panda cutting panel for wrath rares... |
| 07:33.26 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2839364016/ |
| 07:33.54 | Tekkub | and here's my panel for BC uncommons AND rares... |
| 07:33.56 | Tekkub | http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2839364826/ |
| 07:34.08 | Tekkub | slight increase in cuts there... |
| 07:34.23 | Lyn | what exactly does panda? *opens tekkub.net now to look* |
| 07:35.49 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: you're right, Flourish is so OP now :D |
| 07:36.57 | Kalroth | Panda is cute and hugable and it'll eat your bamboo |
| 07:37.19 | Lyn | not panda (animal), panda (addon) :O |
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| 07:39.48 | Tekkub | panda's basically compact panels for fast tradeskillery |
| 07:40.13 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: heh |
| 07:40.18 | Tekkub | started out as fast clicky DE, but kinda expanded to become fast clicky gem cutting, and now glyphs |
| 07:40.39 | Lyn | sounds nice |
| 07:40.42 | digmouse | wtf what should I do if I dont have Revive Pet? |
| 07:40.53 | Lyn | lol |
| 07:41.22 | Tekkub | ah good old premades lacking quest reward spells |
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| 07:46.41 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: it's so effective :) |
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| 07:53.51 | |Jelly| | ~framexml |
| 07:53.57 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 07:53.57 | nevcairiel | the history event in halls of stone is awesome |
| 07:53.57 | nevcairiel | kinda long'ish though |
| 07:54.51 | Maldivia | the first encounter? |
| 07:55.16 | nevcairiel | ya with the dwarf story |
| 07:55.47 | Maldivia | done HoL yet? |
| 07:55.58 | nevcairiel | no |
| 07:56.23 | Maldivia | the first 5-man that's actually a bit challenging, I think |
| 07:59.32 | Syzgyn | Agreed Maldivia |
| 07:59.37 | Syzgyn | That first boss hurts |
| 08:07.11 | haste | Lyn: not really, I filter out all the "bad" highlights :3 |
| 08:07.21 | Maldivia | Syzgyn: the charge is often instant-kill on a non-tank :) |
| 08:08.06 | Maldivia | Syzgyn: I've had him charge me (in tree form), crit me for around 9k and melee hit me afterwards for 4k |
| 08:08.36 | Lyn | haste: what is a bad highlight? :p |
| 08:10.34 | haste | Lyn: anything with rating, spell etc |
| 08:11.04 | Lyn | and what if someone want to talk to you about haste rating inside of ocb or something? hehe |
| 08:11.29 | haste | that won't happen, also the filter only prevents a global WM highlight |
| 08:11.35 | Lyn | :) |
| 08:11.36 | haste | irssi still colors and puts it in the log |
| 08:12.01 | Lyn | hehe, i tried out the windows version if irssi... somehow it doesnt really work for me XD |
| 08:12.47 | haste | I use puttytray when I'm on windows |
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| 08:31.24 | Maldivia | so... anyone done naxx yet? |
| 08:32.11 | nevcairiel | not yet, planning to |
| 08:32.49 | Maldivia | did a run last night... well, not full clear, but spider, plague and DK |
| 08:33.01 | Maldivia | well, we stopped at 4H |
| 08:33.40 | zenzio | does it feel much different from the old oen? |
| 08:34.19 | Maldivia | when reading on the forums, I see a lot of groups (with DKs) complain about the gargoyls... go plauge strike that removes a hot... |
| 08:34.39 | Maldivia | zenzio: overall, I think it feels just right, yeah |
| 08:34.48 | Maldivia | or well, it was the 10-man I tried |
| 08:35.07 | Maldivia | no idea about the 25 (although we accedentially started clearing trash in the 25, because we had just done a heroic nexus before :) |
| 08:35.11 | nevcairiel | I still think its too easy if its being cleared on the first night |
| 08:36.20 | Maldivia | some of the fights were easy yeah... some were challenging |
| 08:36.21 | zenzio | well, it's not supposed to be the top-end this time around, and people already know the basics of the place |
| 08:36.49 | nevcairiel | still first-night in the 25 feels silly |
| 08:37.19 | Maldivia | the 25man should not be clearable the first night |
| 08:37.24 | Maldivia | the 10 man... meeh |
| 08:37.37 | nevcairiel | yeah well 10 man is fine |
| 08:37.43 | nevcairiel | if some fights are actually challenging |
| 08:37.57 | Maldivia | loatheb was a fun change.. |
| 08:38.03 | nevcairiel | How is loatheb now? |
| 08:38.08 | nevcairiel | cant do the mass-pot anymore |
| 08:38.25 | Maldivia | dooms for 4k |
| 08:38.28 | Syzgyn | Weak |
| 08:38.52 | Maldivia | 17sec 100% healing reduction aura, then 1-8 second healing window, then 17sec 100% healing reduction etc |
| 08:39.05 | Syzgyn | Thats not bad |
| 08:39.06 | nevcairiel | a healing window? man thats easy =P |
| 08:39.36 | Syzgyn | Does that rotate, or is the tank on his own for 17 sec? |
| 08:40.05 | Maldivia | and on top of that and aura dealing, I think, 3-400 damage every 2-3 sec |
| 08:40.19 | Maldivia | everyone has the aura on |
| 08:40.21 | Maldivia | at the same time |
| 08:40.28 | Maldivia | so the 1-8 sec window is to heal the entire raid |
| 08:40.52 | Syzgyn | Interestin |
| 08:40.53 | Syzgyn | g |
| 08:41.25 | Syzgyn | Why is it 1-8 seconds? it varies? |
| 08:41.30 | Maldivia | flourish wins - with 1-2 sec left of aura, cast flourish on casters and melee, and you get a few ticks off |
| 08:41.38 | Maldivia | seems so, yeah |
| 08:41.58 | Maldivia | longest I saw was 8 seconds, fasterst I saw was mear instant, with the tank being the only one getting a heal |
| 08:43.10 | Maldivia | but otherwise, same fight with the spores etc |
| 08:43.23 | Maldivia | a spore does wonders for boomkin dps :9 |
| 08:43.34 | Maldivia | (was balance specced, as we had too many healers for that) |
| 08:45.00 | Maldivia | moonkin form with a chance to regen 2% mana on crit... and a 80% crit chance.... that infinite mana and high dps :) |
| 08:45.54 | Syzgyn | Whats he hit the tank for, it he only needs heals once every 20 sec? |
| 08:46.20 | Elkano | hmm... since when do the people in SW hate me that much ;( |
| 08:47.34 | Maldivia | the tank was taking around 1000 dps |
| 08:48.05 | Lyn | maldivia, how did you get 80% crit chance? |
| 08:48.14 | Maldivia | Lyn: the spore :9 |
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| 08:48.28 | Lyn | ah |
| 08:48.37 | smcn | damn howling fjord music, i always get the theme to star trek voyager stuck in my head |
| 08:48.58 | Lyn | i only know 2 wings of naxx from pre bc :< |
| 08:48.59 | Maldivia | Lyn: gives a 60% crit buff |
| 08:49.56 | Maldivia | Lyn: a spore spawns, and when you kill it, 5 people in a few yarsd radius of where it was killed gets a 60% crit buff and a -100% threat buff |
| 08:50.22 | Lyn | sweet |
| 08:50.27 | Lyn | sexy for my ele shammy :D |
| 08:50.30 | Maldivia | or rather debuff |
| 08:51.25 | Maldivia | well, my dps for that fight was more than double my usual dps :) |
| 08:53.27 | Lyn | hope I will find a good group for raiding with wrath... 10 or 25.. :x |
| 08:57.46 | smcn | oops |
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| 12:35.01 | zenzio | "I was reported for a mongoose scam this week. But what happened is that i was hacked that day. I do not know who it was, but im trying to find out." |
| 12:35.03 | zenzio | "Those evil hackers! Instead of selling all your items and stealing all your gold they decided to sully your good name by scamming people. " |
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| 12:37.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 12:37.33 | Shirik | lolol |
| 12:37.37 | Shirik | yeah ok |
| 12:37.47 | Shirik | they instantly gave back the account too, yeah? |
| 12:38.45 | Esine | I simply don't get how people can get their wow accounts hacked |
| 12:38.48 | zenzio | I can only guess so since he's already posting |
| 12:39.06 | Esine | blizzard already has proper password policies in place |
| 12:39.16 | Shirik | this guy was not hacked |
| 12:39.17 | Shirik | period |
| 12:39.18 | Esine | the only thing I can tihnk of is they play WoW on a public computer with a keylogger installed |
| 12:39.23 | Shirik | As for the rest of them, people are stupid |
| 12:39.37 | Esine | stupid how? what makes them get "hacked"? |
| 12:39.49 | Shirik | "Here have my password it's ok, you can log in for me to tank T6 if you ever need" "kk" |
| 12:39.59 | Esine | that's one possibility |
| 12:40.00 | Shirik | "Oh here's that guy's account info, I can't make it tonight but you can log in as him" |
| 12:40.11 | Shirik | It's like an STD.... eventually it spreads to everyone |
| 12:40.38 | Shirik | The other case is "oh noes blizzard sent me email they going to shut down my account must give them password" |
| 12:40.56 | Shirik | and then there's what I think the #1 cause: PL/Gold services |
| 12:41.08 | zenzio | "But their login screen said they will never ask for our password? Must have changed policy" |
| 12:41.16 | Shirik | People that don't change their password after having bought an account or having it PLed |
| 12:41.39 | Esine | well, to be fair people who use those services should be banned anyway |
| 12:41.50 | Shirik | I don't disagree |
| 12:42.03 | Shirik | Anyway, I think keyloggers actually play a pretty minor role |
| 12:44.54 | Shirik | I mean, seriously |
| 12:44.59 | cbreak | Guild forums with XSS or SQL Injection vulnerability |
| 12:44.59 | Shirik | if I got a keylogger on someone's account |
| 12:45.11 | Shirik | would I honestly go for the wow account? |
| 12:45.13 | cbreak | and members who are short-sighted enough to use the same login/pw for guild forum and game |
| 12:45.21 | Esine | heh yeah, true that Shirik |
| 12:46.11 | cbreak | what else? |
| 12:46.15 | cbreak | many people don't do banking |
| 12:46.21 | cbreak | or use CCs |
| 12:46.39 | cbreak | also, many key loggers are probably gotten in wow specific paths |
| 12:46.39 | Bouvi | My log in for games is different than any other login I have. Just safer that way. |
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| 12:51.03 | smcn | funny that YouTube isn't in chrome's spellchecker dictionary :P |
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| 12:53.44 | zenzio | good morning miss peppy |
| 12:54.52 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zen! Happy Mondaything. |
| 12:55.09 | zenzio | cheery for a Monday :-o |
| 12:55.22 | Lopeppeppy | Must... not... kill whole world. Therefore, cheery. :) |
| 12:55.56 | zenzio | well if you need help with that then I'd be happy to hold onto you |
| 12:56.40 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, how sweet.. but no, I scratch today. |
| 12:57.18 | zenzio | nothing a gentle embrace of plate can't help, I'm sure |
| 12:57.31 | Lopeppeppy | Owies, and it smells like rust, no way! |
| 12:58.01 | zenzio | hey, it's hard enough cleaning off the blood all the time, let alone the rust |
| 12:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | Double ick. |
| 12:59.17 | zenzio | besides, you're a gnome, you'd just pop escape artists |
| 12:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | Or Vanish, being zerogue |
| 13:00.09 | zenzio | being invisible doesn't make you invulnerable |
| 13:00.21 | Lopeppeppy | Shhhh! Yes it does |
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| 13:05.35 | wereHamster | <@Shirik> would I honestly go for the wow account? |
| 13:05.58 | wereHamster | if you were not stupid, yes. WoW accounts have more value then CC information in the black market |
| 13:08.40 | cbreak | Premade characters are still not up :( |
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| 14:31.43 | Maldivia | ahh... finally finished changing my buff bar addon, so I can cancel them in combat |
| 14:32.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! *wild muppet clapping* |
| 14:32.26 | Maldivia | heh |
| 14:32.32 | Elkano | Maldivia, in 8905 it was unprotected again ^^ |
| 14:32.46 | Maldivia | arghh |
| 14:32.58 | Fisker- | 1-0 |
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| 14:34.14 | Maldivia | I think I'll just go home then :| |
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| 15:13.44 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 | "Do you think it's really wise to allow a woman with severe PMS to have access to a semi-automatic handgun?!" |
| 15:15.23 | wereHamster | purl, welcome back |
| 15:15.24 | purl | Good to see you, back! |
| 15:15.35 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 15:15.35 | purl | Lopeppeppy: aw, gee |
| 15:16.50 | cbreak | ~botpoison |
| 15:16.51 | purl | ACTION falls on the floor and becomes stiff, but not before firing a Browning automatic into cbreak, and hitting sacarasc twice by mistake |
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| 15:18.15 | Lopeppeppy | Serves you right, cbreak. |
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| 15:18.34 | cbreak | I had a bullet proof vest. |
| 15:18.40 | cbreak | and it's just a flesh wound |
| 15:18.48 | cbreak | I still have some blood left |
| 15:19.01 | Lopeppeppy | There's no purl-proof vest. I wish she could be programmed to ignore specific users. :) |
| 15:19.14 | cbreak | I am sure that would be no problem :) |
| 15:19.30 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, it would become a problem as everyone gets purl to hate everyone else... |
| 15:19.46 | cbreak | robot wars! |
| 15:20.36 | durcyn | the bot owner and people with privileges defined can add ignores, but i don't believe anyone here meets either requirement |
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| 15:23.25 | Lopeppeppy | Probably wiser all around. :) |
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| 15:35.52 | Maldivia | fy fy Fisker ! |
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| 16:57.47 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: poke |
| 16:58.57 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: peek |
| 16:59.17 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: remember that guy on UI&M who asked about sending gold through mail and SILVER_PER_GOLD a bit ago? |
| 16:59.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I believe you were the one who linked the thread |
| 16:59.27 | cog|work | aye |
| 16:59.30 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679630299&sid=1 |
| 16:59.33 | ScytheBlade1 | He came back on CSF |
| 16:59.52 | cog|work | rofl |
| 16:59.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Thought you'd enjoy that, hehe |
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| 17:01.38 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: that's hilarious! |
| 17:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: stupid people are stupid. The real retards are the one who come back and ask why they got banned ;) |
| 17:02.21 | cladhaire | I WASNT POSTING ABOUT DRUGS IMO |
| 17:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 17:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | win |
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| 17:04.56 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 17:04.59 | [SW]Dodge | <3 that xD |
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| 17:06.05 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: I think he's selling drugs if you ask me |
| 17:06.08 | [SW]Dodge | hm is there somewhere a detailed list of api changes? on wowwiki i didnt found a list |
| 17:06.09 | Hirsute | That guy isn't the brightest watt in the bulb, is he? |
| 17:06.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
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| 17:06.19 | ScytheBlade1 | He's rather quite dim |
| 17:06.36 | ckknight | not the shiniest hammer in the sandbox, nope |
| 17:06.50 | Hirsute | Almost as funny as the guy getting owned by ablue for trying to get free epic flying. |
| 17:06.50 | ScytheBlade1 | [SW]Dodge: changes for what> |
| 17:06.53 | ScytheBlade1 | *? |
| 17:07.04 | [SW]Dodge | changes in wowapi with 2.0/wrath |
| 17:07.07 | [SW]Dodge | 3.0* |
| 17:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | UI changes thread on the UI forums |
| 17:07.26 | cog|work | He's like the Miracle Blade to my new Shun |
| 17:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I still have high hopes he'll reply to that |
| 17:07.42 | [SW]Dodge | hm ui forums? (i never was realy active in wow forums - just druid forum^^) |
| 17:07.47 | ScytheBlade1 | He's stupid enough that he just might |
| 17:07.59 | ScytheBlade1 | [SW]Dodge: yes, it's linked on the forum index |
| 17:08.16 | alestane | Anyone out there play with symbolic links on OS X? |
| 17:08.17 | sylvanaar | my summary of the druid forum "/wrists |
| 17:08.18 | [SW]Dodge | ScytheBlade1: : i think it is in US forums or also EU? |
| 17:08.34 | ScytheBlade1 | [SW]Dodge: the thread in question is only on the US forums |
| 17:08.54 | ckknight | alestane: yea, I use em |
| 17:09.51 | sylvanaar | btw im actually loving resto again now - i think they have fixed most of the problems |
| 17:09.55 | ScytheBlade1 | [SW]Dodge: it's a sticky |
| 17:10.21 | alestane | ckknight: Can I make a symlink to, say, "~/Documents" that always links to the current user's Documents folder, regardless of who's logged in? |
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| 17:10.37 | sylvanaar | i still need to work out which is better HT/rune or nourish |
| 17:10.56 | [SW]Dodge | ScytheBlade1: i first had to find the us forums lol :D |
| 17:11.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:11.01 | [SW]Dodge | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&sid=1 <- this one right |
| 17:11.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
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| 17:16.46 | cog|work | blizzard should open a restaurant with dishes named after cooking recipes imo |
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| 17:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:17.17 | [SW]Dodge | cog|work: lol :D |
| 17:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That's... kind of genius |
| 17:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to wonder how they'd represent the new 'make you sad/happy/mad/etc' recipes though :D |
| 17:18.07 | Fisker- | Didn't they do that with their own cantina? |
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| 17:22.20 | NightHawkAtWork | wii Iron chef? |
| 17:22.27 | Lopeppeppy | No taste. |
| 17:22.43 | cog|work | metallic with a hint of resin? |
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| 17:23.10 | cog|work | spcied with electrolytic capactiors |
| 17:23.38 | Lopeppeppy | Served on a CD platter? |
| 17:25.19 | Shirik|Ecole | lol |
| 17:25.20 | Shirik|Ecole | I get it |
| 17:25.24 | Shirik|Ecole | spiced |
| 17:25.54 | cog|work | i don't... was i more clever than I was trying? |
| 17:25.54 | Shirik|Ecole | batrick hates me now |
| 17:26.00 | Shirik|Ecole | haha |
| 17:26.29 | Shirik|Ecole | ~wiki SPICE |
| 17:26.40 | Fisker- | ~failrik |
| 17:26.40 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 17:27.25 | cog|work | heh... i was just thinking that the electrolytes are probably salty to the taste... Not that i've ever liked capacitor guts before... |
| 17:27.34 | cog|work | s/liked/licked/ |
| 17:27.41 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 17:27.45 | ScytheBlade1 | slight change in what you meant |
| 17:27.53 | NeoTron | I was just about to say how I first thought you said liked instead of licked |
| 17:28.07 | NeoTron | then I saw that you did in fact say liked but changed it. tricky |
| 17:28.14 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:28.44 | Lopeppeppy | Only because he knew I'd question his sanity. |
| 17:29.31 | Shirik|Ecole | time to go to kinko's |
| 17:30.17 | ckknight | alestane: sorry, no |
| 17:30.31 | ckknight | alestane: no way that I know of |
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| 17:31.04 | cog|work | Man... looking through the cooking recipes i'm getting some really good ideas for RL translations... |
| 17:31.08 | alestane | Somehow I thought symlinks were basically just text paths, but if they're resolved at creation then they'll be static. |
| 17:31.13 | Lopeppeppy | Dinner at cogwheel's house! |
| 17:31.22 | Lopeppeppy | Beer Basted Boar Ribs are easy to do IRL |
| 17:32.05 | NeoTron | cog|work: you mean like http://www.taurenchef.com/ |
| 17:32.07 | cog|work | Last Week's Mammoth = Dry aged prime rib |
| 17:32.31 | cog|work | NeoTron: exactly! |
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| 17:34.05 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: did you playtest nourish yet? I just hit 80, from the tests on pure healing, i'm not sure |
| 17:35.04 | nevcairiel | and two people asked me to come Naxx, and i have to raid on live, damnit! |
| 17:35.10 | NightHawkAtWork | blarg! |
| 17:35.37 | sacarasc | nevcairiel: anyone in beta know you in live? if not, just say your net died |
| 17:35.39 | sacarasc | ;p |
| 17:36.29 | nevcairiel | some guildys have me on friends, if they went to check .. :P |
| 17:36.39 | sylvanaar | i played it a little nevcairiel not much with my premade, i have used HT/rune though alot |
| 17:37.07 | sylvanaar | im still 79 so little way to go to get it |
| 17:37.58 | Lunessa | I played in a group where the druid healer basically just spammed Nourish. |
| 17:38.06 | sylvanaar | nourish usually heals less than ht/rune though, but the mana costs are different |
| 17:38.30 | sylvanaar | and there are soo many talents that change the numbers |
| 17:38.59 | nevcairiel | ht with rune destroys my big-fat instant |
| 17:39.17 | sylvanaar | yeah, but you dont need it |
| 17:39.20 | NeoTron | does anyone know if the spell hit cap has been changed to match 2h melee hit chance? |
| 17:39.30 | sylvanaar | and you can instant regrowth |
| 17:39.31 | NeoTron | I keep seeing that it's 9% not 16% but no confirmation |
| 17:39.35 | NeoTron | or tests or anything |
| 17:39.37 | nevcairiel | Also, i would rather use other runes if i can |
| 17:39.39 | nevcairiel | and use nourish |
| 17:39.44 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: so.. test it? :P |
| 17:39.48 | nevcairiel | I'll just test it in naxx or so |
| 17:40.16 | sylvanaar | for me nourish never crit once in the 100 orso casts i did |
| 17:40.21 | NeoTron | NightHawkAtWork: ... <log in> <crash> <log in> <world server down> <log in> <world server down> <log in> <crash> |
| 17:40.26 | nevcairiel | well thats a bug, then |
| 17:40.30 | sylvanaar | could be |
| 17:40.42 | NeoTron | perhaps iF I could be online for more than 2 minutes I would be able to :P |
| 17:40.57 | smcn | aw world servers are crashing again? i should have played more earlier :( |
| 17:41.12 | NeoTron | well I am not online right now |
| 17:41.17 | NeoTron | just did it all weekend |
| 17:41.18 | smcn | oh |
| 17:41.22 | NeoTron | unless you were in an instance |
| 17:41.33 | NeoTron | did they end up fixing the issue or something? |
| 17:41.50 | smcn | well playing from 1ish AM to 9:30ish AM only got 2 WSD |
| 17:42.02 | sylvanaar | dont forget you have to factor in the mana cost of the hot, and there isnt a talent like empowered touch |
| 17:42.04 | smcn | with no lag |
| 17:42.07 | NeoTron | honestly didn't even try last night but I sat in the afternoon, 5-7pm PST or so in secure templars and ppl kept going offline online a lot |
| 17:42.23 | sylvanaar | since thats in effect what the hot is |
| 17:43.59 | nevcairiel | i always have hots up |
| 17:44.25 | Dashkal | Northrend stopped chain dying in the later evening, but I mean at 9pm PST (GMT-7) |
| 17:44.35 | sylvanaar | well, then you dont really need nourish |
| 17:44.48 | cladhaire | I have to say, I love my stormpike ram and tabard |
| 17:44.50 | sylvanaar | if you can hot heal - then you have no real need for fast healss |
| 17:44.52 | cladhaire | with the druid armor colorwe |
| 17:44.53 | cladhaire | colors |
| 17:45.38 | nevcairiel | sylvanaar: i do both, its not hard to keep at least a 21s regrowth up for nourish |
| 17:46.07 | sylvanaar | on everyone? |
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| 17:46.26 | sylvanaar | or are you talking about just healing 1 person |
| 17:46.41 | sylvanaar | which is totally different |
| 17:46.52 | nevcairiel | I dont remember when i ever used direct-heals for healing a full group |
| 17:46.59 | nevcairiel | not since i had lifebloom and then flourish |
| 17:47.35 | sylvanaar | man, you must only play with super-geared people |
| 17:47.53 | NeoTron | Dashkal: figures. I should have logged on after I quit the KJ raid :P |
| 17:47.55 | sylvanaar | in which case, healing is really easy |
| 17:48.10 | NeoTron | now can you imagine the poor SoB's that spent all weekend working on this |
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| 17:48.34 | nevcairiel | at a max i throw a random regrowth around |
| 17:48.37 | nevcairiel | in some 5mans |
| 17:48.38 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 17:48.43 | Dashkal | I had to deal with it. I was determined to get my death chicken yesterday. Frustrating... |
| 17:49.20 | Lopeppeppy | ... death chicken. |
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| 17:49.52 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel get into a group where you really have to try |
| 17:50.14 | nevcairiel | I avoid those |
| 17:50.16 | NeoTron | i have an epic flying death chicken but I can't fly in northrend yet |
| 17:50.21 | nevcairiel | because generally i end up having aggro then |
| 17:50.24 | NeoTron | and it's the ugliest fricking mount ever |
| 17:50.32 | NeoTron | come retail I might not get one because it's so ugly |
| 17:50.44 | NeoTron | it's expensive too |
| 17:50.45 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel right - that's quite clear |
| 17:50.45 | Dashkal | If it stays that ugly, I'll go with the armored purple chicken |
| 17:50.51 | NeoTron | so you can pay more for that ugly thing |
| 17:51.00 | Dashkal | But I _really_ doubt they'll leave us with the Kara undead griffon model |
| 17:51.01 | NeoTron | 900g or something vs 200g |
| 17:51.06 | nevcairiel | on beta however i just went with everyone |
| 17:51.09 | nevcairiel | and i managed :P |
| 17:51.29 | Dashkal | If they do *shrugs* there are plenty of other mounts. |
| 17:51.53 | sylvanaar | nevcairiel undergeard dk tanks in 80 instances? |
| 17:52.23 | nevcairiel | that happend last week in utgarde pinnacle, iirc :P |
| 17:52.46 | NeoTron | Dashkal: considering it costs a significant amount more, it better be cooler than that |
| 17:52.56 | nevcairiel | oh well, Muru time now |
| 17:52.57 | nevcairiel | bbl |
| 17:52.59 | NeoTron | it should at least give us basic riding skill |
| 17:53.02 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I'm sorry |
| 17:53.11 | nevcairiel | me too :( |
| 17:53.22 | Dashkal | NeoTron: *nods* that would make sense if it did. Or just drop it to 300g and call it good (It's both the slow and the fast mount) |
| 17:53.54 | Dashkal | But even if the damn thing was free, I'm not flying around on a death chicken |
| 17:54.12 | foxlit | YOU WILL BOW TO THE DEATH CHICKEN |
| 17:54.23 | foxlit | Seriously, bow! |
| 17:54.27 | NeoTron | the ghost griffin you can get in EPL towers is nice looking |
| 17:54.40 | Dashkal | Too bad they didn't use that as the placeholder |
| 17:55.28 | NeoTron | but really it should be a skeletal frost wyrm or something |
| 17:55.31 | NeoTron | not a fricking griffin |
| 17:55.46 | Dashkal | The frost wyrm may well be a super rare drop from saph |
| 17:55.50 | NeoTron | like the netherdrakes but undeadier |
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| 17:58.00 | NeoTron | I don't care what it is honestly if it's cool |
| 17:58.11 | NeoTron | but the worst flying mount look in the whole game is kind of blah :P |
| 17:58.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Dashkal, the reason it is 1k is because we get a free mount. We make up the cost on the deathchicken |
| 17:58.36 | NeoTron | Neuro_Medivh: moot point since we can just go buy an epic mount for 200g and not buy the deathchicken |
| 17:58.54 | Dashkal | Exactly |
| 17:59.11 | Neuro_Medivh | personally, I want a Frostwyrm |
| 17:59.24 | Dashkal | Agreed |
| 17:59.33 | NeoTron | for live I'll probably just save 700g UNLESS it's really cool |
| 17:59.43 | foxlit | It's UNIQUE |
| 17:59.44 | Neuro_Medivh | Neo: tru dat |
| 17:59.47 | smcn | spectral gryphon imo |
| 17:59.55 | foxlit | Which is what you're paying for -- other people can't ride a bone chicken :) |
| 17:59.56 | Dashkal | I have lots of spare cash, so the 700g isn't anything that'll hurt |
| 18:00.13 | Dashkal | Heh, exclusive counts for nothing if it's fugly |
| 18:00.39 | NeoTron | foxlit: of course and I'll get it if it isn't so fricking ugly |
| 18:00.40 | smcn | foxlit: unique and cool-looking aren't mutually exclusive :P everything about the DK exudes awesomeness except for the flying mount, it's disconcerting |
| 18:00.50 | sioraiocht | Industrial: ding 40 |
| 18:01.05 | NeoTron | don't get me wrong, I can afford it easily but that doesn't mean I'm stupid! ;-) |
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| 18:01.35 | foxlit | smcn: actually, yes, they are |
| 18:01.51 | foxlit | Make something too-cool-looking, and you'll have a mob bounty on your head if the majority can't get it |
| 18:02.35 | smcn | DK ground mount is one of the coolest mounts in the game and is not available to all players |
| 18:02.41 | Dashkal | foxlit: DK ground mount and Warlock ground mount |
| 18:02.46 | Dashkal | Both are damn cool |
| 18:02.49 | foxlit | Both are "meh" in my book |
| 18:03.00 | Dashkal | Druid epic flight form |
| 18:03.17 | Dashkal | tastes aside, these are exclusive and not fugly |
| 18:03.21 | foxlit | It's not... cool-looking :) |
| 18:03.57 | foxlit | If it was "Shapeshift into frost wyrm form", we'd have a story there :) |
| 18:04.01 | Dashkal | Matter of taste. the death chicken is... really really bad. It simply doesn't fit the DK theme |
| 18:04.16 | Dashkal | At bare minimum they'd have to reskin the thing dark |
| 18:04.31 | Lunessa | Toonces: The Return - he's back, and he's taken Driver's Ed! http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/09/07/funny-pictures-time/ |
| 18:11.24 | Dashkal | There it is. Frost Wyrm: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=43810 |
| 18:12.05 | smcn | frost wrym? http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?object=191648 |
| 18:12.15 | ckknight | lol, Lunessa |
| 18:12.42 | Lunessa | One of the NPC Death Knights in Zul'Drak has a very nice skeletal dragon mount. I'm hoping that's what DK players will get. |
| 18:13.51 | Dashkal | Lunessa: do you remember which ones? I don't remember that (I somehow missed more than a few quests in that zone) |
| 18:14.15 | Dashkal | I'm sitting at 78 quests on the achievement. Musta misseda hub or something |
| 18:15.05 | Fisker- | lol |
| 18:15.07 | Fisker- | some people are insane |
| 18:15.16 | Lunessa | Ebon Watch. |
| 18:15.29 | Fisker- | Someone suggests to get a frostwyrm you must ally yourself with the wyrmrest accord |
| 18:15.31 | Fisker- | lulz |
| 18:15.47 | Dashkal | Hrm, don't remember it, but I wasn't paying enough attention. I'll fly over there tonight |
| 18:15.59 | smcn | frost wyrm, the netherdrake of wotlk? |
| 18:16.01 | Lunessa | The quest line starts with collecting drool and guts. |
| 18:16.18 | Dashkal | Maybe I'll find whatever quest hub I missed. I'm on track to hit level 78, maybe 79 in the basin. I don't want to have to grind out 80 |
| 18:16.34 | Dashkal | Oh! That quest was broken when I last tried it |
| 18:16.47 | Dashkal | Should head back, I think there's been a build since |
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| 18:18.17 | Lunessa | *nod* It's a good line. I wrapped it up last night. |
| 18:18.39 | Lunessa | Hard to do while the world server was crashing constantly. |
| 18:19.19 | NightHawkAtWork | that quest line was awesome, but between crashes and implementation quircks.. it was kinda painful >< |
| 18:21.14 | Esine | what was the site that lists changes to FrameXML for each version and you can download/view all the versions there? |
| 18:21.47 | Dashkal | wowcompares.com -- I've heard reports that isn't two builds behind the beta atm |
| 18:21.49 | kd3 | wowcompares.com |
| 18:21.50 | Esine | http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 18:21.51 | Esine | yes |
| 18:21.58 | Dashkal | it's* |
| 18:22.03 | Dashkal | yay random word replacement! |
| 18:22.06 | kd3 | there's also my email lists too since bel's been busy |
| 18:22.09 | Esine | oh, thanks for the patch a few days ago kd3 :) |
| 18:22.17 | Esine | yeah, you sent me a copy :D |
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| 18:28.03 | NightHawkAtWork | mm.. another xbox price drop |
| 18:28.58 | |pez| | I want the elite. |
| 18:29.21 | NightHawkAtWork | i dont want to pay $100 for 60gb of hd space and a pint of paint. |
| 18:29.39 | Esine | but it's 31337 man! don't you get it NightHawkAtWork |
| 18:29.43 | Esine | it's only for the cool kids |
| 18:29.43 | Kirov | But but ... it's black! |
| 18:30.04 | NightHawkAtWork | Esine: s/cool/spoiled brats/ |
| 18:30.19 | |pez| | is the normal xbox HDenabled now? |
| 18:30.28 | NightHawkAtWork | the $299 one is |
| 18:31.38 | cbreak | HD? BlueRay... |
| 18:31.46 | |pez| | High Defenition |
| 18:31.47 | cbreak | apparently HD-DVD lost |
| 18:32.34 | Neuro_Medivh | HD has lost out, no one is making HD dvds anymore... |
| 18:33.06 | |pez| | It's not really the DVD player I'm thinking about. |
| 18:33.13 | |pez| | but the resolution it's able to give to your TV. :P |
| 18:33.15 | |pez| | or something |
| 18:33.21 | zenzelezz | HD as in 1080p |
| 18:33.25 | Neuro_Medivh | ah |
| 18:34.02 | Kirov | The XBox 360 and the PS3 can both do 1080p |
| 18:34.23 | Kirov | Most games don't really do that though. |
| 18:34.46 | Kirov | Most games display at 720p max |
| 18:35.03 | |pez| | most games != all future games. |
| 18:35.22 | Kirov | Some are even lower res. Halo 3 and Grand Theft Auto both run at further reduced resolutions. |
| 18:36.10 | Kirov | Halo 3 runs at around some weird resolution between 480p and 720p and upscales to 720p |
| 18:36.29 | Kirov | Grand Theft Auto on the PS3 appears to run at around 480p |
| 18:36.32 | |pez| | But if I'm gonna get one, I'll still pay a few extra bucks for the HDMI, the blackness, and the few extra GBs |
| 18:36.52 | Fisker- | |pez| |
| 18:36.59 | Fisker- | most games = all future games |
| 18:37.03 | Fisker- | it's a question of performance |
| 18:37.09 | Fisker- | That won't improve unless the hardware does |
| 18:37.56 | Kirov | We've already, basically, tapped out the XBox 360's graphics cards with this generation. We might be able to make things more pretty, but it'll be at the cost resolution. |
| 18:38.04 | Kirov | And the PS3 is roughly half the power of the XBox |
| 18:38.43 | Esine | <Kirov> And the PS3 is roughly half the power of the XBox |
| 18:38.44 | Esine | what |
| 18:38.50 | Esine | I thought PS3 was the highest performing system |
| 18:39.00 | |pez| | also, the HDD is 120GB on the elite, not 60 ? |
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| 18:40.17 | |pez| | Oohoh |
| 18:40.26 | |pez| | right, the standard one is 60GB now |
| 18:40.27 | |pez| | right |
| 18:40.28 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, thats pretty much the only difference |
| 18:41.57 | Lunessa | And the beauty of it all is ... MOST guys buying consoles will never catch on. They're not really concerned with resolution or graphics specs. Just "I pwnj00 at Halo dewd." |
| 18:41.59 | |pez| | Since I'm a fan of the black, the possability of HDMI (less cables alltogether, isn't it? ), and I'd like as much storage as possible without purchasing something extra... |
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| 18:42.41 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: well, to be fair, there's 2-3 of us that arn't concerened with resolution or graphics spec, as long as the gameplay is fun. :p |
| 18:42.54 | Lunessa | NightHawkAtWork: I |
| 18:43.07 | NightHawkAtWork | |pez|: the standard has HDMI i believe, just doesn't include a cable in the box.. |
| 18:43.09 | Lunessa | I'm not concerned about sonsoles at all really. I never play them anymore. |
| 18:43.22 | Neuro_Medivh | Yeah... I mean, EQ2 graphics are far superior to WoW's, in technical terms |
| 18:43.25 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: well, my statement extends to pretty much any game. :) |
| 18:43.53 | Neuro_Medivh | but EQ2 is an inferior game in all respects |
| 18:44.07 | Neuro_Medivh | even the graphics are worse... Uncanny Valley and all that |
| 18:44.34 | Neuro_Medivh | A more realistic depiction of an ugly graphic doesn't make it better =) |
| 18:44.38 | Lunessa | Uncanny Valley! |
| 18:44.45 | wereHamster | Neuro_Medivh: depends. WoW is more comic-like, you can't compare that with a graphics engine that tries to be as realistic as possible |
| 18:45.02 | Neuro_Medivh | Sure I can. It proves that realistic != better |
| 18:45.19 | Lunessa | Hyper-real graphics squick me out. |
| 18:45.21 | Neuro_Medivh | heck, I don't want realism, I want fantasy |
| 18:45.46 | Esine | Anyone with beta went to Wintergrasp? I hear there's a mine in wintergrasp with minerals. How is it? Lots of ganking there? |
| 18:46.10 | Neuro_Medivh | wouldn't know, can't log on long enough to go there |
| 18:46.13 | Dashkal | Agreed. Too realistic isn't a good thing. I'm hacking and slashing things to death.... I really don't want to see that with any level of realism |
| 18:46.16 | Esine | :[ |
| 18:46.40 | Dashkal | I'd look but my level 77 ass would be smeared so quickly |
| 18:46.59 | Neuro_Medivh | I can't even get to 77... trying to level during this patch is just frustating |
| 18:47.08 | Lunessa | Esine: Wintersgrasp is all PVP all the time. And you have to arrive via flying, but you can't use a flying mount there. Expect gankage. |
| 18:47.11 | Neuro_Medivh | also, I've decided I don't like grizzly hills |
| 18:47.23 | Esine | Lunessa, can't use flying mount? :( |
| 18:47.43 | Lunessa | No. It's a no-fly zone. So you have to use the flying vehicles for the games. |
| 18:47.44 | Esine | so what if you fly to wintergrasp and while midair when you arrive there you dismount and fall from 1000 ft? |
| 18:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 18:47.56 | Esine | wtf seriously |
| 18:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You gain a 40sec parachute buff |
| 18:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's it |
| 18:48.03 | Esine | oh |
| 18:48.05 | End | You do? |
| 18:48.05 | Esine | ah |
| 18:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You do |
| 18:48.10 | End | You didn't used to |
| 18:48.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed, BUT |
| 18:48.20 | End | I died going in right before the most recent build :( |
| 18:48.22 | kd3 | we didn't before... that's how I got the falling achievement in the last build |
| 18:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It won't save you from 1000 yards |
| 18:48.48 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're flying "really high up there" and nudge wintergrasp, expect a splatterdeath |
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| 18:49.15 | Esine | well luckily 40 seconds is long enough to equip Parachute Cloak etc. |
| 18:49.16 | End | Wintergrasp feels really disconnected from the rest of the world to me right now |
| 18:49.22 | End | the parachute might help though |
| 18:49.30 | End | since before it was "you enter at a gy" basically |
| 18:49.35 | kd3 | that's the point. the zone's supposed to be optional |
| 18:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 18:49.46 | End | yeah, I was trying to get to dalaran |
| 18:49.49 | ScytheBlade1 | anywho afk calc class |
| 18:49.51 | Esine | I hope the mine attracts lots of visitors though :> |
| 18:49.52 | End | and wanted to see if there was any pvp |
| 18:50.21 | End | the way it is now, I'll avoid it unless I plan on staying a while |
| 18:50.36 | Lunessa | Wintersgrasp is "really high up there." So you'll fall fairly close to the ground unless you're wicked nuts about height. |
| 18:50.38 | Esine | do you guys play on live servers anymore? |
| 18:50.46 | cog|work | i do |
| 18:50.54 | Esine | well, doesn't it get boring? :) |
| 18:50.58 | Esine | on live servers if you've played beta |
| 18:51.05 | erikd | they changed the way wintergrasp and dalaran work |
| 18:51.09 | End | some...beta is more interesting |
| 18:51.19 | Esine | right |
| 18:51.21 | erikd | it doesn't dismount you but you get a debuff that won't let you mount a flying mount |
| 18:51.22 | End | but I still have stuff I can do on live |
| 18:51.23 | NightHawkAtWork | meh, beta's really only more interesting because it's new |
| 18:51.25 | End | like raiding |
| 18:51.38 | End | NightHawkAtWork: well, yeah |
| 18:51.40 | End | duh :P |
| 18:51.42 | cog|work | Esine: no... i'm an altoholic so i always have something to level, and it's always a slightly different experience |
| 18:51.53 | Esine | heh |
| 18:52.04 | Esine | and I'm strictly one character because I don't want to betray him :x |
| 18:52.23 | End | betray him? |
| 18:52.26 | End | o_O |
| 18:52.31 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm a chronic reroller, so I'm just waiting for a new wotlk server to come out |
| 18:52.31 | Esine | that'd be cheating, like sleeping with another woman! |
| 18:52.34 | erikd | live is there for when beta crashes every 10m like last night :) |
| 18:52.44 | cog|work | that too :P |
| 18:52.48 | Neuro_Medivh | Esine, I bet you never use your left hand for the same reason, eh? |
| 18:52.57 | Esine | oi that's not very nice Nechckn |
| 18:52.58 | Esine | neuro |
| 18:53.07 | Neuro_Medivh | To write with, I mean! |
| 18:53.11 | Neuro_Medivh | you guys are pervs |
| 18:53.16 | Esine | :/ |
| 18:53.27 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.31 | Josh_Borke | i'm left handed... |
| 18:53.36 | Esine | Nechckn, your nickname is too similar to neuros! |
| 18:53.43 | Neuro_Medivh | how sinister of you, Josh! |
| 18:54.00 | Nechckn | mmmmhhhhmmmm... don't make me come to your house, again. It will not be nearly as pleasant this time. |
| 18:54.09 | cog|work | my wife, boss, and 2/4 coworkers are all lefties... |
| 18:54.43 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm sorry to hear that your life isn't allright, cog =( |
| 18:54.54 | Josh_Borke | i see what you did there! |
| 18:55.08 | cog|work | ~rimshot |
| 18:55.09 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 18:55.09 | End | I have a friend who his left handed, and taking classes with him is funny if actually gets a left handed desk |
| 18:55.21 | End | he's so used to right handed desks it's actually awkward for him |
| 18:55.25 | cog|work | my wife had one hell of a time trying to learn to knit |
| 18:55.51 | Neuro_Medivh | cause all the instructions are for righties? |
| 18:56.00 | cog|work | yep |
| 18:56.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Josh, do you use a right-hand mouse and ASDW? |
| 18:56.31 | erikd | ASDF! |
| 18:56.39 | erikd | err, wait |
| 18:56.49 | erikd | WASD |
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| 18:56.57 | erikd | ignore me >< |
| 18:57.28 | cog|work | ,AOE imo |
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| 19:15.32 | [SW]Dodge | wtb raidtargets for myself (which only i can see) |
| 19:15.33 | [SW]Dodge | :E |
| 19:15.49 | Nechckn | Folks... anyone know what that is called when you cannot adjust sliders and such by increments of 1, or whatever, due to the screen sizing? |
| 19:16.48 | Kirov | erm, screen resolution |
| 19:17.08 | Nechckn | yeah, but there is a term for that specific issue |
| 19:17.25 | NightHawkAtWork | bad design |
| 19:17.27 | NightHawkAtWork | ? :p |
| 19:17.28 | Thunder_Child | failure |
| 19:17.34 | Nechckn | lol, that too, NightHawkAtWork |
| 19:18.12 | Nechckn | Hmm... I'll have to dig some more- no biggie. thank you =) |
| 19:19.28 | erikd | scaling? |
| 19:19.37 | Kirov | It's a resolution issue, beyond that I'm not sure there's a specific term since what you're talking about is the interaction between the resolution of a ui gizmo with the resolution of the screen. |
| 19:21.27 | Nechckn | yes, that's what causes it... but there is a term, well, maybe that was an internal company term, from a web conference thinger with IBM a while back |
| 19:24.18 | cladhaire | well we obviously don't know it :P |
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| 19:26.17 | Nechckn | Meh, no big thing- it just saves a lot of extra explaination is all. I shall now call it Slurm! |
| 19:26.38 | Nechckn | mmm Slurm, you just don't want to know where it comes from. ;-) |
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| 19:55.31 | Hjalte | cladhaire: Hi again. Do you want to hear about more problems with DressToKill or have you given up on my druid? :) |
| 19:55.41 | cladhaire | hrm? |
| 19:55.52 | Amarande | ah, blast |
| 19:55.53 | cladhaire | what do you mean? |
| 19:55.57 | Amarande | I forgot to back up my UI before I formatted :( |
| 19:56.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops. |
| 19:57.04 | Hjalte | cladhaire: Incoming error and debug log. DTK stopped when trying to equip my fishing rod, which I couldn't wear. |
| 19:57.15 | cladhaire | I just need the error message |
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| 19:57.22 | cladhaire | and please don't report things over IRC |
| 19:57.28 | cladhaire | either email, comments, or bug reports |
| 19:57.34 | cladhaire | that way I have a recotd |
| 19:58.19 | Hjalte | cladhaire: Sure thing, where would you rather I do it? |
| 19:58.26 | cladhaire | any of the above |
| 19:58.37 | cladhaire | mainly i need the error message you get wen you try to equip the fishing pole |
| 19:58.40 | cladhaire | so I can match against it. |
| 19:59.53 | Amarande | Hjalte, you mean you have a character who *doesn't know Fishing at all*?? |
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| 20:00.38 | Amarande | I'm still waiting to find out what ridiculous pinnacles of total Fishing skill will be needed to fish the 80 areas |
| 20:01.11 | Lunessa | Heh. 375+ |
| 20:01.31 | Lunessa | They didn't add new lures. |
| 20:01.31 | Amarande | Hell, in BC, there's areas where you need not only maxed fishing, but at least +60 total bonus fishing to be able to fish at all, and something like +140 or +150 or so to not have getaways |
| 20:01.52 | Amarande | Lunessa, are we going to get to the point where Alliance fishers are not going to be able to get the top fish without winning the STV Extravaganza first? |
| 20:02.13 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:02.32 | Lunessa | To be honest, I'm too lazy right now to level up fishing on a beta toon, but my one with maxxed hasn't had trouble with Seth's rod + lures. |
| 20:02.35 | Amarande | Horde being a little better off, since they have a +25 pole from a quest :) |
| 20:02.39 | cladhaire | the UI_ERROR_MESSAGE even will fire, with a message |
| 20:02.43 | cladhaire | just need to know what it is, so I can match it. |
| 20:02.55 | End | the best alliance can get outside of STV is +20? |
| 20:03.02 | Amarande | End: I believe so |
| 20:03.03 | wereHamster | Amarande: does horde have any additional +fishing gear that the alliance has no access to? |
| 20:03.09 | Amarande | unless there's a better pole in the WOTLK quests |
| 20:03.09 | Hjalte | Amarande: This is an alt, who has level 10 fishing or so. That's why she can't equip the skill level 200 fishing rod :) |
| 20:03.19 | Amarande | wereHamster: they have a +25 pole from a quest, best quest pole alliance gets is +20 |
| 20:03.23 | Lunessa | Anyone can get the Big Iron Rod or Seth's Graphite Fishing Pole. |
| 20:03.51 | Amarande | Gloves give ... +5, right? |
| 20:04.24 | Thrae | [Arthas's Big Frozen Pole] |
| 20:04.48 | End | Name for WOTLK: Add Chilled, cold or frozen to the name |
| 20:04.54 | Amarande | So the top fishing available in BC without exotic items (STV and a few specific items I can't think of right now) would be ... 500 for Ally, 505 for Horde I think |
| 20:05.19 | Amarande | actually, maybe that STV pole isn't so valuable then, since I don't think you CAN meet the no-getaway cap in Terokkar flight-access lakes |
| 20:05.25 | nevcairiel | you can fish like everything with 490 already |
| 20:05.26 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 20:05.42 | Amarande | nev: still significant numbers of getaways in the areas where crawdads etc. are |
| 20:05.57 | Amarande | speaking of which, it's irritating that no one sells the raw crawdads on AH :S |
| 20:06.00 | nevcairiel | crawdads arent that special anymore |
| 20:06.34 | Thrae | Goes great with [Arthas's Super-Enticing Pair of Balls] |
| 20:06.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I thought it might. |
| 20:06.57 | Amarande | nev: they're one of the only 3 items, all fish, that can be used to cook up to 375 reliably |
| 20:07.05 | Amarande | I never find the feltail or the other one on AH either |
| 20:07.44 | nevcairiel | I dunno, i got enough fisherman's feast |
| 20:07.55 | nevcairiel | to skill up |
| 20:08.09 | Amarande | Thrae: That's not a single item, that's a pair of set trinkets |
| 20:08.47 | Amarande | Speaking of Arthas, is it true that they took Frostmourne out? |
| 20:08.56 | kd3 | huh? |
| 20:09.03 | kd3 | he's still wielding it everywhere I've seen him |
| 20:09.14 | Amarande | kd3: I heard earlier in beta that they took out Frostmourne as a droppable item, though |
| 20:09.16 | Hjalte | cladhaire: I've posted it in the comments of DressToKill :) |
| 20:09.22 | cladhaire | ok, then i'll be emailed |
| 20:09.25 | End | Did blizzard SAY they took it out? |
| 20:09.27 | cladhaire | did you have the error message? |
| 20:09.47 | Amarande | I'm really not sure how they expect to handle such an item |
| 20:09.54 | Amarande | especially if they try to make it unique per server as rumored |
| 20:09.59 | End | you won't even be able to fight him until a later content patch |
| 20:10.07 | End | I doubt it'll be unique per server |
| 20:10.17 | End | unless it's some EPIC quest line like the aq event |
| 20:10.27 | End | even then I think its unlikely |
| 20:10.33 | End | it's* |
| 20:10.44 | Amarande | Yeah, unique FM would be a very quick way to ensure there is no more than one progression guild per server/faction, and that ONE GM basically controls the entire raiding world per each server |
| 20:10.48 | Amarande | which would be bad :) |
| 20:10.58 | Thrae | Amarande: Nah, that's [Arthas's Big Brass Ball] and [Arthas's Missing Coconut] |
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| 20:12.11 | zenzelezz | I doubt Frostmourne will be any more unique than the other legendaries |
| 20:12.27 | Amarande | zenzelezz, it was supposed to be a gold, not an orange |
| 20:12.37 | Amarande | the first gold in the game that isn't GM only |
| 20:12.49 | zenzelezz | doesn't change my opinion in any way |
| 20:13.11 | Hjalte | cladhaire: I attached the one from my UI (via tekErr). Debug didn't say anything. |
| 20:13.20 | Amarande | in any case, I'm rather glad that the only super unique reward so far was the AQ mount, which doesn't enhance the gameplay ability of its owner in any way |
| 20:13.27 | cladhaire | Its not an error |
| 20:13.39 | Amarande | I would worry, otherwise, that every server would quickly reduce to 1 real raiding progression guild |
| 20:13.52 | Amarande | since everyone who's anyone would want to be, and get into, the one guild that had whatever the super awesome item is |
| 20:13.54 | cladhaire | Hjalte: I've explained it a few times.. |
| 20:14.00 | cladhaire | Hjalte: the error message means nothing to me. |
| 20:14.02 | Hjalte | cladhaire: Oh :( |
| 20:14.08 | Amarande | and that guild's GM would basically determine whether you could raid past Kara/Naxx/etc. on that server/faction |
| 20:14.12 | cladhaire | Hjalte: I need toe UI error message that is displayed in red |
| 20:14.25 | cladhaire | the message you get when you try to equip the fishing pole |
| 20:15.07 | Amarande | clad: wouldn't it be the same as the error you get if you try to equip a weapon you don't have the skill for? |
| 20:15.22 | Hjalte | cladhaire: "You aren't skilled enough to use that item."? |
| 20:15.24 | cladhaire | I have no clue. |
| 20:16.01 | Amarande | now here's a more progression-based thing about WOTLK |
| 20:16.09 | Amarande | will it be possible, once all relevant content is out of course |
| 20:16.25 | Amarande | to progress all the way from Naxx-10 to Icecrown-10 without having to do the 25 mans in between, or will guilds have to be able to field both size groups? |
| 20:16.51 | zenzelezz | I imagine it'll be planned that way |
| 20:16.53 | nevcairiel | that will be possible |
| 20:17.06 | zenzelezz | the way I heard it, 10-man gear isn't meant as a stepping stone to 25-mans |
| 20:17.26 | cladhaire | ERR_CANT_EQUIP_SKILL |
| 20:17.55 | cladhaire | Hjalte: commited as r25 |
| 20:18.11 | nevcairiel | with icecrown-10 gear you can probably do ulduar-25 |
| 20:18.14 | Hjalte | cladhaire: Thanks :) |
| 20:18.22 | Amarande | ahh, I had heard earlier in beta that it was surmised that you would do the 10 man of an instance, then you would do the 25 of that instance, then move on to the next 10 etc. |
| 20:18.25 | nevcairiel | or naxx-25 for that matter |
| 20:18.28 | End | it sounded like to me, 10 man gear is always 1 step behind |
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| 20:18.43 | Amarande | i.e., each instance's 25 is 'in between' that instance's 10 and the next instance's 10 |
| 20:18.45 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: I'm sure you *can*, but I don't think that's the *intention* |
| 20:18.58 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336800829&sid=1&pageNo=2#22 |
| 20:19.22 | Amarande | of course, it's too late now, but I'd like to see in the next expansion at least that 25 becomes either 20 or 30 |
| 20:19.25 | End | for the loss? |
| 20:19.32 | End | :P |
| 20:19.34 | cog|work | or faster than lite |
| 20:19.35 | Amarande | there's a fairly sound rationale for 20/30 vs. 25 |
| 20:19.37 | cog|work | light* |
| 20:19.39 | cog|work | take your pick :P |
| 20:19.49 | Amarande | Guild logistics, basically |
| 20:19.50 | End | foreign transport lane? |
| 20:19.58 | Amarande | You take 3 groups through the 10-man content to get them geared for 25 |
| 20:20.15 | Amarande | and then what? then you have trouble keeping everyone evenly progressed, because then you have 5 people extra |
| 20:20.16 | End | fat todd's lasagna? |
| 20:20.39 | Amarande | a real progression guild in a 10/25 situation has to be able to run FIVE kara/ZA groups in order to keep the groups balanced well, am I right? |
| 20:20.53 | End | assuming perfect attendance |
| 20:20.56 | Jamash | or have a rotation |
| 20:21.10 | Amarande | this issue never came up in classic, since 20 divides 40 |
| 20:21.49 | Amarande | I can see why they shrunk the groups though, seeing as getting even a 10 man group these days is like pulling teeth LOL |
| 20:21.53 | wereHamster | Amarande: there will always be the situation where someone can't make it so you need more then 25 players |
| 20:22.53 | Jamash | but once you've run Naxx10 and Naxx25 will you need to run the next 10 or will you be able to move directly on to the next 25? |
| 20:23.02 | zenzelezz | Amarande: didn't think many guilds used the 20-mans to gear up for 40-mans |
| 20:23.09 | kd3 | 10 and 25 are supposed to be separate progression paths |
| 20:23.21 | kd3 | 10->10->10->10.... 25->25->25->25... |
| 20:23.29 | Jamash | so in theory it shouldn't matter whether they're divisible |
| 20:23.38 | Amarande | kd3: which is an awesome thing. :) |
| 20:24.12 | Amarande | if there's one thing I lament about the current state of BC, it's the near complete lack of interest in smaller-group content at this point |
| 20:24.22 | Amarande | except for kara, and well ... even getting a good kara group is evil sometimes :) |
| 20:24.34 | Jamash | well, they made Karazhan so good and heroics so bad that there's no reason to do them |
| 20:24.52 | Amarande | are the heroics really that bad, though? |
| 20:25.00 | Jamash | in terms of effort vs reward, yes |
| 20:25.04 | Amarande | or is it just that kara groups tend to be well-oiled raids, while heroics are frequently run by bad PUGs :) |
| 20:25.05 | NightHawkAtWork | ^^ |
| 20:25.11 | NightHawkAtWork | Amarande: its time/effort, really |
| 20:25.19 | wereHamster | will there still be instances for five players in wotlk? |
| 20:25.30 | Amarande | wereHamster, yeah, hopefully people will actually be interested in them :) |
| 20:25.38 | Jamash | it's not that heroics are too hard, it's that the loot is worse than kara |
| 20:25.40 | NightHawkAtWork | heroics are only 3-5 badges, which is like.. what.. 2 bosses in kara, +epics? and these days any idiot can put together a moderately competant kara raid |
| 20:26.06 | End | yeah, the loot does need to help in heroics :P |
| 20:26.11 | Jamash | Supposedly heroic loot in Wrath will be better than they were in BC |
| 20:26.19 | NightHawkAtWork | Downing attumen/moroes/maiden is pretty easy if you have one good tank and one good healer, everyone else can be mouth breathers. :p |
| 20:26.22 | Amarande | indeed ... the problem with heroics in BC was that the loot still mostly sucked after a while |
| 20:26.42 | wereHamster | I liked them, I played with my RL friends and it was much fun. You can easily find four friends to play with |
| 20:26.42 | NightHawkAtWork | Amarande: if by "sucked" you mean "the same loot as the non heroic version" ;p |
| 20:26.56 | Amarande | Night: and hell, my very first kara run, I got all the way through to chess with only 2 wipes along the way |
| 20:26.57 | End | the end bosses have epix |
| 20:27.21 | Amarande | neither of them being my fault, either :) |
| 20:27.23 | End | but the epix are still worse than kara usually, and heroics were usually harder |
| 20:27.27 | End | but yeah |
| 20:27.32 | End | itemization in general was bad |
| 20:27.36 | Amarande | first wipe was on maiden because we lost essential dps ... one of the hunters lost LOS with the healer and died |
| 20:27.54 | zenzelezz | I remember my first time in a heroic; heroic Steamvaults, pre-nerf... there was pain. Oh, so much pain |
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| 20:28.03 | Amarande | second was on curator, and was more technical ... apparently with our choice of person to tank Curator while we burned down the orbs, we weren't able to down the orbs fast enough |
| 20:28.08 | NightHawkAtWork | Amarande: i was on a kara raid a couple months ago on my 68 pally and a 69 druid, no wipes, full clear. :p |
| 20:28.09 | Lunessa | wereHamster: Lots of good 5-man content in WotLK. |
| 20:28.11 | Amarande | change of tank, and it all went awesome with almost 4 min left on the timer |
| 20:28.34 | NightHawkAtWork | er, 69 pally*, but it was awesome having my t4 helm well before i could use it. |
| 20:28.57 | Amarande | what I wasn't, however, is lucky |
| 20:29.02 | wereHamster | hm. damn. wotlk looks like so much fun, but I don't have time. And I don't want to let school slide again :-/ |
| 20:29.04 | Amarande | the good thing was, I was the only cloth wearing caster dps in the raid |
| 20:29.17 | Amarande | so any such items would automatically be mine even though I was a pick-up member with a guild's raid |
| 20:29.29 | Amarande | the bad thing was, absolutely not a single piece of such loot dropped :P |
| 20:29.47 | Amarande | except for one for fire users, and I'm not destro |
| 20:30.36 | End | well, fire destro is somewhat of a new thing :P |
| 20:30.38 | Amarande | that's right, we had a kara raid with no mage heh |
| 20:30.52 | Dashkal | Destro Locks: GC is asking for feedback on metamorphosis: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679890957&sid=2000 |
| 20:30.55 | Amarande | and there was much whining about it, mostly from people who were used to a table of freebie food :| |
| 20:31.06 | End | Dashkal: why would destro locks care? |
| 20:31.12 | Dashkal | erm, demo |
| 20:31.15 | End | hehe |
| 20:31.34 | Dashkal | So far the comments are Ruin vs Meta. There's a choice? |
| 20:31.35 | Amarande | if Blizzard can make the demo tree not suck, I'll be surprised |
| 20:31.37 | End | I only played around with meta recently |
| 20:31.56 | End | s/recently/briefly recently/ |
| 20:31.59 | Amarande | also, is the 51 point destro talent useful this time, or does it suck like the 41 point one did? |
| 20:32.29 | Dashkal | Chaos Bolt looks situational. |
| 20:32.39 | End | I haven't looked at chaos bolt recently |
| 20:32.43 | Amarande | all we need say about the 41 point talent is that when a tree's 'normal' spec build is 0/21/40, there must be something really terribad about that 41 pointer. :) |
| 20:32.55 | Dashkal | They took away the bubble-pierce, but left the anti-resist and anti-absorb in |
| 20:33.04 | End | ah |
| 20:33.16 | Amarande | btw, did they get rid of the damage debuff from forbearance? |
| 20:33.35 | Amarande | a lot of pallies apparently were really up in arms about forbearance having a 15% damage nerf in addition to the 3 minute duration |
| 20:33.37 | Dashkal | Doesn't look _bad_ per se, but I'd half expect a 0/21/50 (Note: I don't know warlock specs all that well) |
| 20:33.58 | Dashkal | wait what? -15% damage for 3 minutes? |
| 20:34.03 | End | if chaos bolt has a good coefficient it might be fine as a normal rotation |
| 20:34.11 | Amarande | Dash: yeah, not only the restriction on re-bubbling, but also -15% damage |
| 20:34.18 | Amarande | at least at one point, I don't know if that was removed |
| 20:34.24 | Dashkal | Um.... why would you ever use an ability that triggered it? |
| 20:34.38 | Dashkal | Hi, I'm gonna wtfpwn myself after the bubble clears |
| 20:34.58 | Amarande | the 3 minute duration, I don't mind so much |
| 20:35.07 | End | Well |
| 20:35.21 | Amarande | since the bubble is on a 5 minute cooldown anyway, and I usually use BoP to save a healer rather than on myself |
| 20:35.24 | End | 21/50 versus some other variation also depends on having a place to put your points |
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| 20:36.05 | End | so if a few dots to work with molten core + chaos bolt > DS, you'd see that instead...plus DS kills using your imp's proc |
| 20:36.10 | Amarande | Apparently, I heard something about the bubble's focus being changed more to be something to help healadins save themselves than as a tool for tankadins or retadins |
| 20:36.36 | nevcairiel | dont retadings use the debuff for wings anyway |
| 20:36.41 | Dashkal | I could see chaos bolt being very handy against DKs. We have such high magic defense it'll help quite a bit |
| 20:36.53 | End | as all specs? |
| 20:36.53 | Amarande | nev: you mean avenging wrath or whatever it's called? |
| 20:37.01 | Dashkal | Frost presence is +70 res all |
| 20:37.04 | End | ah |
| 20:37.07 | Amarande | I think they took that off the forbearance debuff in WOTLK |
| 20:37.13 | cbreak | Magic Absorbtion is 80 to all. |
| 20:37.14 | Dashkal | Which I would use against a caster heavy group |
| 20:37.17 | cbreak | for mages |
| 20:37.50 | Dashkal | Well, I'd use the aura more likely so I could keep in unholy. That burst is really nice |
| 20:38.49 | Dashkal | If I'm reading the talent correctly FA gives 1 resistance (assuming per level) to the raid |
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| 20:40.11 | cbreak | Magic Absorbtion gives 1 resistance per level to the mage. I wonder if they stack |
| 20:40.18 | cbreak | since it's not a buff but a talent |
| 20:40.24 | Dashkal | I'd be very surprised |
| 20:44.59 | cbreak | I can't see how they would not stack |
| 20:45.14 | cbreak | but the aura probably doesn't stack with those of paladins. if they still have auras |
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| 20:46.27 | Dashkal | Could always stand a mage next to a frost DK check, but again, I'd be surprised if they were allowed to stack |
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| 21:01.33 | Neuro_Medivh | well, apparently the WAR beta is nearly impossible to get into... "Open" beta my ass |
| 21:01.57 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry, let me rephrase, it's impossible to get into unless you pre-order the game |
| 21:03.19 | zenzelezz | "open" is an incredibly vague word. Assuming it would mean "(almost) anyone can get in" is only one interpretation |
| 21:04.04 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes, quite silly of me to draw that conclusion |
| 21:04.17 | Jamash | to me open means "open to everyone" |
| 21:04.27 | Jamash | not "open to people who have already given us money" |
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| 21:04.38 | zenzelezz | I've seen enough "open betas" by now to know it doesn't necessarily mean this :-p |
| 21:04.56 | End | I've seen enough open betas where I have no idea what open means |
| 21:05.15 | Josh_Borke | hrm |
| 21:05.17 | zenzelezz | yeah, that's a more accurate way of saying what I was getting at |
| 21:05.24 | Syzgyn | Neuro_Medivh: I have a WAR beta account from way back when, if its still valid you can have it if you like |
| 21:05.24 | Josh_Borke | this word open has way too many opportunities to exploit |
| 21:05.26 | Hirsute | I always though that "open" beta meant that there was a mechanism for inclusion other than being picked (without input from you) by the person running the beta. |
| 21:05.29 | Josh_Borke | i shall leave it alone |
| 21:05.30 | End | When Neuro_Medivh complained I had no idea if his complaint was legit or not :P |
| 21:05.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Well, usually I can play a demo of a game before I buy it, so unless I can get some kind of demo on WAR, no point to me buying it and being disappointed |
| 21:05.39 | zenzelezz | Josh_Borke: just like "free" |
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| 21:05.43 | End | I was like ...uh...what does that even mean? :P |
| 21:05.49 | End | so I kept my mouth shut |
| 21:05.54 | Hirsute | ie-Blizz's FF Beta was a closed beta, they invited whom they pleased and no amount of asking would influence that. |
| 21:06.06 | Josh_Borke | well, i was thinking more of human body parts, but nevermind |
| 21:06.27 | Hirsute | The current beta is open, not because anyone who wishes can participate, but because one can ask to participate in some fashion and have the request granted. |
| 21:06.32 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but any time Blizz has run an open beta, you could just download the client and play without purchase or promise of purchase |
| 21:07.28 | Josh_Borke | don't you have to have an account? |
| 21:07.28 | zenzelezz | Warhammer isn't Blizzard though |
| 21:07.53 | Neuro_Medivh | Josh, for an expansion, yes |
| 21:07.59 | cbreak | WoW US Open Beta was so open I could join as european. |
| 21:08.00 | Jamash | The current WoW beta is a closed beta. By what I've heard, the WAR beta is also a closed beta that they have chosen to call "open" |
| 21:08.04 | Neuro_Medivh | but you have to have an account to run the base expansion regardless |
| 21:08.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Jamash, exactly |
| 21:08.28 | Josh_Borke | shirik's mom is so open! |
| 21:08.48 | Neuro_Medivh | From what i'm reading, there might be a 'true' open beta in another week. |
| 21:08.55 | Thrae | 17:16 < Josh_Borke:#WoWUIDev> shirik's mom is so open! <-- right when I look back at the screen.... |
| 21:10.08 | Josh_Borke | doing my part to brighten everyone's day |
| 21:10.08 | zenzelezz | sounds more like she is |
| 21:10.08 | Thunder_Child | except Shirik|Ecole's maybe |
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| 21:12.58 | Lunessa | ... I'm totally going to have to prepare to evacuate. |
| 21:13.48 | zenzelezz | our ion cannons will clear a path for you |
| 21:14.40 | Neuro_Medivh | evacuate from where? |
| 21:14.48 | zenzelezz | the Hoth system, obviously |
| 21:14.56 | Jamash | the internet? |
| 21:16.07 | NightHawkAtWork | the intertubes are clogged and we have to evacuate before ted stevens explodes? |
| 21:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: nice necro ;) |
| 21:16.36 | End | NightHawkAtWork: sorry, I kinda drove a trunk into the intertube |
| 21:16.38 | End | er |
| 21:16.39 | End | truck |
| 21:16.59 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Someone else did. I just copied the instructions. |
| 21:17.03 | zenzelezz | End: at least you didn't drive a branch into it |
| 21:17.08 | End | Or a root |
| 21:17.08 | NightHawkAtWork | End: GAH. What do you think this is?!? some kind of information super highway! |
| 21:17.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I saw, heh |
| 21:17.13 | End | NightHawkAtWork: yes? |
| 21:17.28 | NightHawkAtWork | End: no, we've been over this. it's CLEARLY a series of tubes, like your mom. |
| 21:17.31 | End | it's where information goes when it has to go all fast like!@ |
| 21:17.34 | End | but not too fast |
| 21:17.43 | End | otherwise it gets pulled over by the state troopers |
| 21:18.03 | End | and that's why your internet connection sucks! |
| 21:18.11 | Lunessa | And I live in Galveston, and FEMA is seriously considering a mandatory evac - but won't know until tomorrow. |
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| 21:18.30 | End | Lunessa: panic is the answer |
| 21:18.37 | Lunessa | Obviously. |
| 21:18.39 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh please, Galveston hasn't had a real hurricane in...oh... 108 years? =) |
| 21:18.49 | Lunessa | less... 1914 |
| 21:19.17 | End | oh halp, I can't do maths |
| 21:19.25 | Neuro_Medivh | remember how people panicked over Rita? more people died in the evac than from the hurricane |
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| 21:20.13 | squidbear | hi |
| 21:20.21 | Neuro_Medivh | HI! |
| 21:20.25 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: That's ok. I'll evac if they tell me. Because if I don't, the sheriff will drag me out of my home. |
| 21:20.26 | End | is for...wait that doesn't work |
| 21:20.26 | squidbear | how're you? |
| 21:20.49 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i didnt think that was legal |
| 21:21.08 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Hyperbole, I uses it. |
| 21:21.09 | Neuro_Medivh | TC, this is texas, legal ain't got nuthin' to do with it |
| 21:21.48 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, stop using it, it confuses me |
| 21:21.58 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, oh really? |
| 21:22.17 | Lunessa | I can't help it if we need to multiply your IQ by 50 to get average results. :P |
| 21:22.39 | Neuro_Medivh | Thunder_Child: Oh yeah. They can just arrest you. Heck, one time I got arrested for being a white boy on a sunny day |
| 21:22.46 | Neuro_Medivh | and I was guilty |
| 21:22.48 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, yes you can help it, stop using big words |
| 21:23.07 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: You too? That happened to me once. |
| 21:23.29 | squidbear | hrm...i wonder what's wrong with my countdown timer. |
| 21:23.30 | Jamash | you were a white boy once? |
| 21:23.31 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, white boy on a sunny day? whatever tom sawyer |
| 21:23.56 | Lunessa | Once? Still. I don't get much sun. |
| 21:23.56 | Neuro_Medivh | considering what happened to Tom in the end, I'll accept that compliment |
| 21:24.45 | squidbear | Anyone have some insight as to why this does not always work? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95637 |
| 21:25.14 | Thunder_Child | he no longer exists when you close the book? ok you can have it |
| 21:25.30 | Dashkal | Very dangerous thing to watch: http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/ (Perfectly SFW) |
| 21:25.31 | Industrial | Where can i find a music player for windows that doesnt suck, isnt winamp foobar2000 or itunes (hate it) :D? |
| 21:25.48 | Jamash | have you tried Songbird? |
| 21:26.00 | Neuro_Medivh | for some reason, ytmnd.com crashes my firefox |
| 21:26.04 | Industrial | yes its all "woo social" |
| 21:26.05 | squidbear | no foobar? :( |
| 21:26.13 | Industrial | foobar is too damn configurable :P |
| 21:26.22 | Industrial | I just want a playlist and a play button |
| 21:26.25 | Jamash | VLC |
| 21:26.33 | squidbear | MPC or VLC |
| 21:26.38 | Neuro_Medivh | Industrial, what's wrong with winamp then? |
| 21:26.49 | cbreak | mplayer |
| 21:26.56 | cbreak | who needs a gui anyway?:) |
| 21:27.02 | Industrial | Neuro_Medivh: its proprietary and owned by a company, makes deals with aol and other crap and tries to shove updates in my face when running older versions |
| 21:27.16 | squidbear | mpc + mpd xD |
| 21:27.30 | Industrial | in windoes (dont say cywgin) |
| 21:27.30 | Lunessa | Industrial: To be clear, it's OWNED by AOL. |
| 21:27.33 | Neuro_Medivh | well, there's Core Media Player, but it's a bit on the high end |
| 21:27.39 | Industrial | Lunessa: same difference :P |
| 21:27.44 | Neuro_Medivh | but it's free |
| 21:28.00 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: http://content.ytmnd.com/content/e/0/3/e035a08e616468d1b0500bc12dcc11e9.gif (looks better tiled, but at least you'll be able to see it) |
| 21:28.06 | Industrial | best I've found so far is foobar |
| 21:28.29 | Jamash | VEE ELL CEE |
| 21:28.36 | Industrial | thats a video player |
| 21:28.39 | squidbear | Anyone wanna help me? xP |
| 21:28.45 | Jamash | it's also a music player |
| 21:28.49 | Neuro_Medivh | TCMP is a video/audio player both |
| 21:28.56 | Jamash | it has a playlist and a play button :) |
| 21:29.06 | Industrial | hmm. |
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| 21:29.42 | Jamash | I can right-click a folder and select "Play with VLC" and bam |
| 21:30.14 | Industrial | oh, I like that, since I organize my music by folder structure anyway |
| 21:30.26 | Neuro_Medivh | then again, I still use Winamp... I just disable the "check for new versions" |
| 21:30.57 | Jamash | oh, vlc has a spectrum analyzer, I didn't know that |
| 21:31.46 | |pez| | Sweet, dirty kitty jumped in the window. -__-' |
| 21:32.23 | Neuro_Medivh | that almost sounds like an obscene euphamism |
| 21:33.01 | Thunder_Child | it is |
| 21:33.06 | |pez| | ? |
| 21:33.15 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but for what? |
| 21:33.29 | Neuro_Medivh | I mean, dirty kitty is obvious, but what exactly is the window? |
| 21:33.37 | squidbear | A VAGINA |
| 21:33.52 | Thunder_Child | we assume thats what the kitty is |
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| 21:39.38 | kd3 | wtf... fark: [Scary] 88% of DC 8th graders can't read. The other 78% can't do math |
| 21:39.52 | |pez| | Oh ffs, the landlords cat jumped in the window with dirty paws and walked around in our sofa. :P |
| 21:39.56 | |pez| | and that was all it meant. |
| 21:40.02 | Jamash | if you know what he means |
| 21:40.30 | Arrowmaster | VLC sucks, although winamp sucks even more |
| 21:40.38 | |pez| | Mmm, VLC <3 |
| 21:40.39 | Jamash | what don't you like about VLC? |
| 21:40.46 | smcn | 1by1 imo |
| 21:40.47 | Thunder_Child | VLC is teh win |
| 21:40.51 | Arrowmaster | it fucking blows at softsubs |
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| 21:45.18 | NightHawkAtWork | kd3: that headline wins. |
| 21:49.27 | wereHamster | aol owns winamp? |
| 21:49.47 | Arrowmaster | since like forever |
| 21:49.51 | End | aol owns nullsoft |
| 21:49.53 | End | which made winamp |
| 21:49.58 | End | so yes |
| 21:50.44 | wereHamster | so who is more evil: Nullsoft (Winamp) or Apple (iTunes)? |
| 21:50.55 | Lunessa | I has a cookie |
| 21:50.55 | cbreak | Apple isn't evil, just greedy. |
| 21:51.07 | Arrowmaster | nullsoft isnt evil, aol is |
| 21:51.07 | End | what does it take to be evil? |
| 21:51.35 | cbreak | violating privacy rights |
| 21:51.37 | Arrowmaster | the guy that wrote winamp keeps getting in trouble from aol because of stuff he writes and releases, like waste |
| 21:51.39 | cbreak | for example :) |
| 21:51.39 | Lunessa | i used to write code at aol. |
| 21:52.05 | Neuro_Medivh | ~lart Lunessa |
| 21:52.05 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at Lunessa |
| 21:52.32 | Lunessa | Hey, it was a good gig. Back in the days before the web and all that jazz. |
| 21:52.57 | cbreak | the days of the aol cd spamm? |
| 21:52.57 | wereHamster | time before web? You must be old .. |
| 21:53.13 | Neuro_Medivh | god bless aol cd spam. Otherwise, I might have had to buy real coasters |
| 21:53.32 | End | haha |
| 21:53.36 | End | although |
| 21:53.43 | End | I remember the floppies more :o |
| 21:53.50 | Lunessa | cbreak: back when we carpeted the country with 1.44mb floppies biatch |
| 21:54.00 | End | I don't even know if I ever bought floppies |
| 21:54.05 | kd3 | meh, I loved aol floppies. I didn't have to buy any for a long time |
| 21:54.05 | Jamash | I used aol floppies for all my schoolwork |
| 21:54.08 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: i loved those floppies |
| 21:54.17 | NightHawkAtWork | it's like "here! free reusable data storage!" |
| 21:54.32 | Lunessa | You have no idea how hard I had to work to make sure the client software could be shipped on a goddamned floppy. |
| 21:54.34 | End | granted, they were floppies...but..back then, what else was there? |
| 21:54.41 | End | cds were expensive :o |
| 21:55.01 | End | (not just a little expensive...a lot expensive) ...and not every computer had a cdrom drive |
| 21:55.04 | Dewin | heh, reminds me when I was one of the first people to have a CD burner among my friends |
| 21:55.21 | Lunessa | Pre-CD burners. Pre-DVD standard. Most Windows machines ran with 1 Meg RAM or less. |
| 21:55.24 | Dewin | I would copy stuff for a fee: fee being that they must provide 2x the amount of blank CDs (so if I wanted to copy it for myself too, I could) |
| 21:55.34 | cbreak | I wish aol would continue with USB Memory Stick spamm |
| 21:55.44 | Dewin | I was well stocked for awhile when someone wanted to copy a 4-CD game |
| 21:59.06 | sacarasc | good for you |
| 21:59.10 | cbreak | visiting the LHC? |
| 21:59.25 | Jamash | bring back some hadrons |
| 21:59.27 | kd3 | please tell them to blow up the world |
| 21:59.29 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, I remember the very first game I copied with a cd burner |
| 21:59.33 | Neuro_Medivh | Diablo 1 |
| 22:00.20 | cbreak | ! |
| 22:00.29 | cbreak | evil pirates like you are the reason blizzard is bankrupt now! |
| 22:01.06 | End | I don't think I knew anyone with a cdburner back then, and it was shortly after I got a cdrom drive |
| 22:02.35 | kd3 | beta maintenance tonight |
| 22:02.54 | Corgan | wtb new build for zone fixes :< |
| 22:02.58 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679910719&postId=96788906995&sid=2000#1 |
| 22:03.01 | End | kd3: color me not surprised |
| 22:03.05 | cbreak | maybe we get premades finally :) |
| 22:03.17 | cbreak | in europe I mean |
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| 22:03.23 | kd3 | s/tonight/tomorrow/ |
| 22:04.37 | End | hm |
| 22:04.40 | End | 9am too |
| 22:04.49 | Lunessa | kd3: That says the 9th. |
| 22:05.00 | End | so today was figuring out what to fix, and tomorrow is fixing it :P |
| 22:05.02 | kd3 | [18:03:23] <kd3> s/tonight/tomorrow/ |
| 22:05.03 | Lunessa | Like... tomorrow. |
| 22:05.47 | Dashkal | damn, too short for a patch to fix storm peaks and icecrown |
| 22:05.59 | Dashkal | oh well, server stability will hopefully improve |
| 22:06.41 | Lunessa | 2 hours is likely not even DB work, just basic hardware maint. |
| 22:06.50 | Neuro_Medivh | that's such an optimistic attitude to adopt, Dashkal! |
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| 22:07.50 | Dashkal | hardware maint... (tries to spin it up). Ram upgrade so we can overcrowd ebon hold without server meltdown? |
| 22:08.49 | Dashkal | or maybe just replace some parts we melted into slag :p |
| 22:09.08 | Dewin | Maybe the magic smoke escaped? |
| 22:09.19 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone know of a direct download for WAR? |
| 22:09.25 | Dashkal | Gerbil died. |
| 22:09.40 | Dewin | gerbil? I thought it was an army of trained hamsters. |
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| 22:10.00 | wereHamster | hamster? did someone call a hamster? |
| 22:10.31 | Dashkal | Nah, they switched to gerbils awhile ago. The gerbils thought it was a better gig than Joe Cartoon |
| 22:12.33 | cbreak | http://www.worth1000.com/entries/352000/352082eJLI_w.jpg (I wonder if that's a wereHamster) |
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| 22:16.07 | Lunessa | it has gone over to the Lords of Chaos. Even now, we can see that it has made an offering to Slaanesh. |
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| 22:26.55 | Lunessa | ok, ok. So lame joke was lame. |
| 22:27.57 | kd3 | whee, honored with wintersaber |
| 22:28.04 | Cide | I'm exhaulthed |
| 22:28.47 | Lunessa | did you pick up a lisp as a quest reward? |
| 22:29.41 | Fisker- | kd3 Cide |
| 22:29.43 | Fisker- | I BEAT YOU BOTHN |
| 22:29.45 | Fisker- | BOTH* |
| 22:29.51 | Fisker- | BECAUSE I'M HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORDE |
| 22:29.52 | Dashkal | Coolwhhip |
| 22:30.22 | Cide | I'm horde |
| 22:30.23 | Lunessa | Jell-O Pudding. |
| 22:30.56 | Fisker- | i mean hardcore horde |
| 22:31.00 | Fisker- | not closethorde |
| 22:31.14 | Cide | I've been horde from beta |
| 22:31.22 | Cide | vanilla beta |
| 22:31.42 | Shirik|AFK | It's sad that today is finally my first free day in like 2 weeks |
| 22:31.50 | Shirik|AFK | it's more sad that my definition of "free day" is getting home at 6:30 PM |
| 22:32.00 | Xinhuan | been busy with what? |
| 22:32.06 | Fisker- | http://daten2.verwaltungsportal.de/fotos/user/orc-baby.jpg <-yeah but i was orc since day 1 |
| 22:32.20 | Shirik | projects/teaching/schoolwork |
| 22:32.44 | Xinhuan | going ot take 2 weeks off work with wotlk launches? |
| 22:32.50 | Xinhuan | when* |
| 22:32.59 | End | I doubt he really can :P |
| 22:33.11 | End | unless it coincides with a major holiday |
| 22:33.12 | Xinhuan | i know lots who plan to do that |
| 22:33.31 | End | yeah, but if he's teaching and schooling :P |
| 22:34.21 | Fisker- | i would never take a vacation for playing WoW |
| 22:34.25 | Fisker- | I'd just call in sick |
| 22:34.26 | Fisker- | LOLOLOL |
| 22:34.26 | Shirik | "In the subject of your email, note your major (i.e. Mechanical Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Other). Please submit by COB 09/19/2008." |
| 22:34.27 | Fisker- | >:D |
| 22:34.30 | Shirik | What is "COB"? |
| 22:34.41 | alestane | "Close of Business" |
| 22:34.43 | Fisker- | ~wiki COB |
| 22:34.59 | Shirik | oh thanks alestane |
| 22:35.03 | Fisker- | an obsolete country code for Republic of the Congo |
| 22:35.05 | Fisker- | There you go Shirik |
| 22:35.08 | Shirik | ~lart Fisker- |
| 22:35.08 | purl | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs Fisker- |
| 22:35.09 | End | ~lart Purl |
| 22:35.09 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on end |
| 22:35.16 | Fisker- | He wants you to submit it in congo |
| 22:35.21 | Xinhuan | what's Close of Business |
| 22:35.29 | Shirik | when everyone leaves |
| 22:35.32 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 22:35.33 | alestane | Depends on the business. |
| 22:35.51 | Xinhuan | so it really just means "Please submit by 09/19/2008" |
| 22:35.55 | Xinhuan | and the COB is irrelevant? |
| 22:36.12 | Fisker- | not exactly |
| 22:36.19 | alestane | "Please submit before we go home" |
| 22:36.22 | Lunessa | Close of Business is usually "The time we close up shop" Usually timed for 5 or 6 pm local time. |
| 22:36.22 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 22:36.30 | Shirik | I think I broke Sharepoint |
| 22:36.35 | Shirik | sigh |
| 22:36.38 | Lunessa | Or if you're a bank, it's something like 4pm |
| 22:36.43 | Fisker- | how don't you break sharepoint? :( |
| 22:36.53 | Shirik | It changed my username to "ac.mpdel buono" because of my last name having a space |
| 22:36.54 | Fisker- | i lol'd btw |
| 22:37.04 | Shirik | And I don't think it wants me to have a space |
| 22:37.07 | Fisker- | Where i went to school they had a sharepoint |
| 22:37.16 | Fisker- | Then they paid some consulent to come fix their ISA server |
| 22:37.23 | Fisker- | Then he blocked off their sharepoint server |
| 22:37.36 | Fisker- | What a waste of money that was |
| 22:37.37 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 22:39.37 | Xinhuan | ~dict valet |
| 22:39.57 | Fisker- | i attend on your person Xinhuan >:3 |
| 22:40.00 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 22:40.23 | Shirik | This is a lot of restrictions: http://wowi.pastey.net/95643 |
| 22:41.55 | Fisker- | why would you need to use a special character within the first 7 chars? |
| 22:42.08 | alestane | I am of the opinion that restrictions on passwords are counter-productive. |
| 22:42.11 | NightHawkAtWork | Shirik: a lot, but most of them are fairly simple and/or common sense |
| 22:42.29 | erikd | fisker: harder to brute force |
| 22:42.38 | Fisker- | why would it be that? |
| 22:42.40 | Arrowmaster | none of the passwords i use would pass that |
| 22:42.49 | NightHawkAtWork | alestane: i don't mind restrictions on passwords like Shirik posted, what bothers me is stupid shit like "you MUST change your password every X days, it CANNOT be one of your previous Y passwords." |
| 22:42.56 | Fisker- | and don't say lanman cause that's madness |
| 22:43.25 | erikd | i don't understand your question |
| 22:43.25 | erikd | why would what be that? |
| 22:43.32 | NightHawkAtWork | stuff like that is basically counter-acting any kind of real password security |
| 22:43.42 | End | wpw |
| 22:43.51 | Arrowmaster | the better security would be to not use passwords |
| 22:43.52 | End | with those restrictions I'd have to write it down |
| 22:43.56 | Fisker- | lanman is already easy to bruteforce |
| 22:44.26 | Xinhuan | RNG passwords are the best ;p |
| 22:44.35 | Arrowmaster | most passwords are already easy to bruteforce, the only problem is when the system has anti bruteforce protections |
| 22:44.38 | End | my passwords end up fairly complicated, but are based on words and have certain letters replaced with symbols or letters |
| 22:44.40 | NightHawkAtWork | End: aside from the stupid "windows uniqueness" requirements, all of my passwords pass that easily |
| 22:44.45 | End | nubmers* |
| 22:44.49 | Fisker- | yeah End |
| 22:44.53 | Fisker- | those are pretty nice |
| 22:44.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: are those restrictions placed on you specifically? |
| 22:45.02 | Shirik | no |
| 22:45.18 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 22:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I was going to say, just use a passphrase with a few characters, problem solved :P |
| 22:45.37 | ScytheBlade1 | s/characters/symbols/ |
| 22:46.07 | Fisker- | one of my passwords are $R<PmcsH |
| 22:46.25 | Fisker- | bitch to type on a laptop keyboard btw |
| 22:46.31 | Arrowmaster | make your passwords utf8 and in something like arabic |
| 22:46.36 | Fisker- | heh |
| 22:46.41 | Fisker- | That reminds me |
| 22:46.58 | Fisker- | One of my teachers once said to just use æ, ø or å in our password (danish alphabet) |
| 22:47.21 | kd3 | meh, my passwords are usually some scientific word, backwards, with a few numbers and random capitalization |
| 22:47.24 | kd3 | easy enough to remember |
| 22:47.51 | kd3 | no "that's a dictionary word, fail" checkers have picked up on it yet |
| 22:47.57 | Amarande | In a few years, you won't have to remember your password ... |
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| 22:48.07 | Amarande | Instead, logging on will be slightly more painful. :) |
| 22:48.09 | Shirik | sigh, I give up |
| 22:48.10 | Fisker- | how can you not? |
| 22:48.17 | Shirik | I'm convinced it doesn't like my username because it has a space in it |
| 22:48.18 | End | yeah a dictionary checker wouldn't catch any of my passwords :) |
| 22:48.33 | Amarande | computers will probably come with a sharp point on the front that is used to pierce your finger so you can give it DNA :) |
| 22:48.56 | Fisker- | but then hackers could have my babies and use it to login |
| 22:48.59 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 22:49.01 | Amarande | And then around 2020 or so, we'll hear all over the news about all the people who got AIDS from sharing computers ... :| |
| 22:49.05 | Diao | lol |
| 22:49.08 | erikd | hah, geeks don't have babies |
| 22:49.14 | Diao | why would you need to do that to get dna |
| 22:49.20 | Diao | you can just scrape some skin off |
| 22:49.22 | Diao | :p |
| 22:49.30 | Fisker- | you ruin the moment Diao :( |
| 22:49.38 | erikd | i wouldn't mind spitting on my computer to log in |
| 22:49.40 | Diao | lol |
| 22:49.43 | erikd | some days i feel like doing it anyway |
| 22:49.55 | Amarande | erikd, you poor benighted soul |
| 22:50.36 | erikd | >< |
| 22:52.05 | erikd | you guys are harder to make laugh than my guildies are |
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| 22:54.18 | Amarande | of course, when one plays wow regularly, I'm not sure that one actually has *time* to do such things as raise a family. LOL |
| 22:55.48 | Sixen | ohm? |
| 22:55.51 | Sixen | My guide got stickied? |
| 22:55.56 | Sixen | That's pretty cool./ |
| 22:57.23 | Amarande | then again, when I meet the right woman, I'd doubtless cut way back on or even quit WoW for her. :) |
| 22:58.02 | NeoTron | Amarande: I'd gladly disagree |
| 23:00.29 | Syzgyn | Amarande: If it was the right woman you shouldnt have to :) |
| 23:02.46 | Amarande | Oh for Elune's sake, this one album has me hopelessly addicted to the point that I have to listen to it at least 1-2 times a *day* |
| 23:04.48 | Shirik | so last night at 2 AM, I got kicked out of my bedroom by a wasp that I saw flying around |
| 23:04.54 | Shirik | so I locked it in my bedroom |
| 23:05.12 | Shirik | Today I went in there to check on him to see if I should go get some raid |
| 23:05.19 | Shirik | and I have no clue where he went |
| 23:05.26 | Shirik | nowhere to be found |
| 23:05.28 | NightHawkAtWork | he's hiding. |
| 23:05.34 | NightHawkAtWork | waiting for you to drop your guard. |
| 23:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl, wow, so, I have a guildie trying to setup a guild IRC channel |
| 23:06.10 | ScytheBlade1 | It should be noted that several people have >5,000 forum posts |
| 23:06.14 | ScytheBlade1 | And our forums are pretty much raw spam |
| 23:06.42 | End | ScytheBlade1: over what time period, I'm curious? |
| 23:07.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Few months |
| 23:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | The GM is >10k |
| 23:07.10 | End | a few..months? |
| 23:07.11 | End | wtf? |
| 23:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 19:06 < ScytheBlade1> And our forums are pretty much raw spam |
| 23:07.19 | Amarande | Shirik: didn't Ahn'Qiraj teach you anything? |
| 23:07.23 | Amarande | It takes a raid to kill bugs :) |
| 23:07.25 | End | ouch |
| 23:07.36 | Shirik | anyway, going to sleep now |
| 23:07.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:07.39 | Shirik | hope I don't die |
| 23:07.42 | ScytheBlade1 | night Shirik |
| 23:07.44 | ScytheBlade1 | hope you do die |
| 23:07.46 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 23:07.52 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:07.55 | Amarande | don't worry, you'll end up releasing to XR :) |
| 23:07.56 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 23:07.56 | End | :o |
| 23:08.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ XR |
| 23:08.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Win |
| 23:08.28 | Amarande | say, are there any places to die in the current WoW game where you'll bug up and end up at XR a million miles away? |
| 23:08.38 | Amarande | not counting the Barrens where you're *supposed* to end up at XR of course. :) |
| 23:08.57 | End | I dunno |
| 23:10.03 | erikd | amarande: do you play on an RP server? (just curious) |
| 23:10.20 | Amarande | Nope. |
| 23:10.20 | wereHamster | where's XR? |
| 23:10.27 | erikd | ah |
| 23:10.32 | Amarande | I play on normal PvE servers ... Quel'dorei and Turalyon Horde, and Stormrage Alliance |
| 23:10.37 | Amarande | wereHamster: the Barrens |
| 23:10.49 | Amarande | lemme guess, you only play Alliance? |
| 23:10.50 | Cide | 'XR' is a stupid name for 'Cross Roads' |
| 23:10.53 | erikd | the "Oh for Elune's sake" thing got me curious |
| 23:10.54 | wereHamster | let me dig up a map, I have _no_ idea where that is |
| 23:10.55 | Cide | or 'Crossroads' |
| 23:11.11 | erikd | it's south of ashenvale |
| 23:11.38 | Cide | if you have to look up where *BARRENS* is, you're bad |
| 23:11.40 | wereHamster | I haven't seen a WoW map in more then a year, so ... |
| 23:12.39 | wereHamster | I'd have to look up where Kalimdor is! |
| 23:12.56 | End | azeroth, what's that? |
| 23:17.36 | alestane | erikd: I don't play on RP either, but you'll still occasionally catch me using phrases like "Sargeras knows that..." in forums and IRC...mostly because I play a warlock. |
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| 23:25.28 | NightHawkAtWork | bacon + vodka = win. |
| 23:25.28 | NightHawkAtWork | http://news.bostonherald.com/entertainment/food_dining/food/view.bg?articleid=1116542 |
| 23:26.17 | Lunessa | ... NO. |
| 23:26.30 | Lunessa | I don't want bacon in my vodka. |
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| 23:27.43 | Amarande | The weird thing is that warlocks actually are *not* inclined to collect marks of Sargeras :) |
| 23:27.54 | Amarande | and are one of the few classes for which this fact is pretty consistent across builds |
| 23:28.16 | Syzgyn | Lunessa: Bacon vodka made right is actually not bad |
| 23:28.16 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: i dunno.. bacon flavored vodka might not be so bad |
| 23:28.18 | Amarande | Warlock and mage are probably the only 2 classes for which Scryers is 100% the better option, right? |
| 23:28.44 | NightHawkAtWork | Amarande: i think affliction locks would prefer aldor, yeah? |
| 23:29.04 | Amarande | odd ... Alvaerin's an aff lock, and I saw Scryers as clearly better |
| 23:29.07 | Lunessa | I'll totally pass on bacon (or any other meat-flavored) vodka. |
| 23:29.31 | Lunessa | After 3.0 there really won't be that much of a difference. |
| 23:29.34 | Amarande | Speaking of which - at high ends of raiding, will a raid wipe or not based on its members' Aldor/Scryer choice? |
| 23:29.53 | Amarande | I've always wondered just *how* important the "right" choice is there |
| 23:30.05 | NightHawkAtWork | Amarande: hmm, i guess if you really like that trinket, seems like once you get past that though the +dmg on aldor shoulder enchant would be better for affliction over the +crit on the scryer |
| 23:30.09 | Lunessa | The "right" choice is personal preference. |
| 23:30.26 | NightHawkAtWork | Amarande: no, no raid will EVER wipe because one or more people made the "wrong" choice. |
| 23:30.35 | Esamynn | heh |
| 23:30.46 | NightHawkAtWork | if that IS happening, its not a result of the scryer/aldor choice ;) |
| 23:31.37 | Amarande | yeah, one thing I'm irritated at with scryers is that my arcane runes sit around collecting dust because there's nothing good to spend them on |
| 23:31.40 | Amarande | at least not at revered |
| 23:32.20 | Fisker- | thanks |
| 23:32.36 | Amarande | I'm assuming Elemental Shaman is Scryers for sure, also? |
| 23:32.42 | Fisker- | good thing i chose bloody mess |
| 23:33.18 | Amarande | As 52/9/0, of course, I have positively zero plans to be a healer :) |
| 23:34.25 | NightHawkAtWork | Amarande: yeah, probably a more optimal choice. |
| 23:35.30 | Lunessa | Amarande: Seriously, you'll be replacing aldor/scryer trinkets really fast in WotLK and even in T5/T6 content before then. So you really only need to worry about the shoulder enchants. And well, they even out pretty much too. |
| 23:36.11 | NightHawkAtWork | ^^ |
| 23:36.27 | NightHawkAtWork | im sure we'll see replacement shoulder enchants at some point too. |
| 23:36.59 | Esamynn | I think I saw Inscription getting shoulder enchants, for one |
| 23:37.14 | NightHawkAtWork | oh? where did you see that? |
| 23:37.46 | Esamynn | might have been wrong |
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| 23:38.52 | Esamynn | yep, I was wrong, I mixed it up because the new shoulder enchant items that mmo-champion dug out of the newest mpqs are named "Inscription of ..." |
| 23:41.38 | squidbear | do OnUpdate funcs with TimeSinceLastUpdate need to include self. before it? |
| 23:42.42 | Esamynn | yes |
| 23:43.12 | Esamynn | the frame is the first arg to ALL script handlers |
| 23:43.57 | Esamynn | ~lart Fisker- |
| 23:43.57 | purl | puts Fisker- through a wood chipper |
| 23:44.09 | Fisker- | you were ended Esamynn >:E |
| 23:44.44 | Esamynn | pfft, by you? I don't think so |
| 23:46.09 | Fisker- | ~purl |
| 23:46.10 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 23:46.15 | Fisker- | no purl, bad bot |
| 23:46.21 | Fisker- | ~literal purl |
| 23:46.22 | purl | "purl" is "(<action> purrs | <action> coughs up a hairball)" |
| 23:46.58 | Fisker- | purl, no purl is (<action> purrs | <action> coughs up a hairball | <reply> We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated) |
| 23:46.59 | purl | Fisker-: okay |
| 23:47.02 | Fisker- | ~purl |
| 23:47.02 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 23:47.20 | Fisker- | ~purl |
| 23:47.21 | purl | We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated |
| 23:47.30 | Fisker- | oh yes i did Esamynn >:E |
| 23:47.55 | Esamynn | ~literal purl |
| 23:47.56 | purl | "purl" is "(<action> purrs | <action> coughs up a hairball | <reply> We are the purl, prepare to be assimilated)" |
| 23:48.47 | Esamynn | ~smite Fisker- |
| 23:48.48 | purl | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves Fisker- from crown to sole. |
| 23:49.23 | Thunder_Child | NAMBLA "North American Meatball Lovers Association" ....just wow |
| 23:49.41 | Esamynn | haha |
| 23:49.46 | kd3 | rofl |
| 23:50.33 | Amarande | Oh, speaking of replacing things in WOTLK: about how many levels into Northrend will the dragonscale BOP set last an ele shaman? |
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| 23:52.09 | WobWork | Hm, someone posted a link to a good James Bond ad spoof |
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| 23:52.38 | Neuro_Medivh | the rickroll one? |
| 23:52.41 | WobWork | basically a good rickroll. anyone recall the url? |
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| 23:53.16 | Neuro_Medivh | http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/duncan0/NGGYU.jpg |
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| 23:56.20 | WobWork | Ta Neuro |
| 23:56.22 | squidbear | does this look like it should work for a countdown of when to go to the next song for my music player addon? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95646 |
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| 23:57.39 | WobWork | squidbear: why 'while' and not 'if'? |
| 23:57.46 | NightHawkAtWork | Amarande: I can't say precisely, as I was only using hte bracer when I transferred over, and with the spell power change, ended up using my Healing bracers over it, but I eventually replaced those for damage bracers from a Dragonblight quest (at level ~74ish) |
| 23:57.48 | NeoTron | Amarande: what set is that exactly? |
| 23:58.03 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: netherstrike |
| 23:58.10 | NeoTron | I'd say that most likely you'll replace any pre-kara level gear in the first zone, and most ZA level gear in the 2nd |
| 23:58.27 | NightHawkAtWork | ^^ probably a reasonably fair assessment. |
| 23:58.33 | squidbear | WobWork, to account for slow framerates. |
| 23:58.39 | NeoTron | so I'd guess you'd replace the netherstrike set somewhere between zone 1 and zone 2 |
| 23:58.56 | NeoTron | aka definitely not worth crafting unles you have mats to burn that will be wasted anyway |
| 23:59.20 | WobWork | squidbear: how would that affect that function? |
| 23:59.23 | Amarande | I'm assuming none of the BC mats are useful past 375, though |
| 23:59.31 | NightHawkAtWork | don;t think so, no. |
| 23:59.44 | NeoTron | correct assumption I'd say |
| 23:59.47 | WobWork | squidbear: as soon as that block of code executes, it'll never be true again until the next song is over |
| 23:59.58 | NightHawkAtWork | if the mats arn't hard to get, and you can craft it NOW (without skilling up or anything), its probably bad to make |
