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| 00:11.04 | ckknight | AbsoRayne: "\n"? |
| 00:11.36 | AbsoRayne | ckknight: After the buff name? |
| 00:11.49 | ckknight | wherever you want the newline |
| 00:11.55 | alestane | I've always hated seeing people get this response but damn if he didn't rub me the wrong way: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336873315&sid=1 |
| 00:12.05 | AbsoRayne | Oh ok |
| 00:12.12 | ckknight | AbsoRayne: btw, I wrote DogTag |
| 00:12.18 | AbsoRayne | I know =P |
| 00:12.25 | AbsoRayne | Ive Jirad a few requests |
| 00:12.46 | ckknight | yea, I don't really look at jira too often :-( |
| 00:12.48 | ckknight | soz |
| 00:12.59 | ckknight | too many other things to worry about |
| 00:13.01 | AbsoRayne | Any chance at what I said before though? |
| 00:13.09 | ckknight | with what? |
| 00:13.24 | AbsoRayne | A tag difference for PlayersAuras / EveryoneElsesAuras |
| 00:13.27 | AbsoRayne | to be blunt |
| 00:13.36 | ckknight | I dunno |
| 00:13.55 | ckknight | I'd say file a ticket, but I don't know if I'll get to that for some time |
| 00:14.00 | ckknight | make a patch? |
| 00:14.02 | ckknight | :-P |
| 00:14.05 | ckknight | in any event, I have a date |
| 00:14.08 | ckknight | so cya later |
| 00:16.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Ugh, the starting zones in beta are such a cesspool these days |
| 00:17.13 | Wobin | full of people starting? |
| 00:17.36 | NightHawkTheSane | full of people arguing the same old epeen arguments. |
| 00:17.50 | NightHawkTheSane | 'wah wah my class isn't buffed enough, yours is too powerful, wah wah." |
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| 00:29.25 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe.. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online |
| 00:29.31 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: ofc it gets worse as you level |
| 00:29.41 | NeoTron | when you lose DPS :P |
| 00:30.06 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: huh? |
| 00:30.26 | NeoTron | ratings ensure that as you gain levels (with good gear at leasT) you do less and less DPS |
| 00:30.47 | NeoTron | not just DPS relative to the mobs, but absolute DPS decreases |
| 00:31.00 | NightHawkTheSane | oh.. kay... but uh, what does this have to do with anything i've said recently? |
| 00:31.11 | NeoTron | "wah wah my class isn't buffed enough" |
| 00:31.22 | NeoTron | that's an issue I would be more likely to see at high levels |
| 00:31.27 | NeoTron | when people realize they do less DPS |
| 00:31.48 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: its not high levels. It's Borean Tundra/Howling Fjord. Level 70s, largely. |
| 00:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | it's got nothing to do with ratings and dps changes for that. it's purely, and literally whining about perceived class changes, or lack thereof. |
| 00:33.10 | Skate555-Laptop | what are the :Get* that i can perform?? i knwo GetChecked, GetNumber, GetText, GetItem...dont know what GetItem does but i knwo it exists...are there any that i'm missing?? |
| 00:33.32 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 00:36.52 | Skate555-Laptop | err that list didn't even have the ones i named... |
| 00:37.08 | Skate555-Laptop | nvm it might |
| 00:37.22 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: that was my observation |
| 00:37.24 | Skate555-Laptop | i'll go back to scanning it looked like it jumped back to the top but it didn't |
| 00:37.32 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: at that time you haven't really started noticing the pain :P |
| 00:40.23 | Skate555-Laptop | i dont imagine very many of these can be performed on xml items...lolz |
| 00:41.36 | smcn | Skate555-Laptop: there's a section for widget api |
| 00:43.21 | Skate555-Laptop | lolz wasn't trying to gripe sorry...i was commenting on how futile ctrl+f was...since the scroll bar is so big...heh |
| 00:47.35 | Gngsk | does setting and unsetting the Sound_EnableSFX CVar everytime you use a macro that you spam cause any noticable performance decrease? |
| 00:50.14 | Wobin | why unset it? |
| 00:50.44 | smcn | Gngsk: nope |
| 00:51.00 | smcn | it's kind of annoying if you want to turn sound off though :p |
| 00:51.03 | NeoTron | Wobin: so that you don't get the "not ready" sounds |
| 00:51.09 | smcn | for trinkets^ |
| 00:51.26 | Wobin | ah |
| 00:51.31 | NeoTron | or if you, say, spam shadow bolt... whomever would possibly do that |
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| 00:54.02 | Skate555-Laptop | gahh nothing there seems to have helped figure out why i cant get anything from dropdown menus |
| 00:56.50 | Skate555-Laptop | Button:IsEnabled() << hrm never thought about disabling a button i just hide them if i'm not ready for my users to try using it yet... |
| 00:57.39 | NightHawkTheSane | a user could still click on it with /click ButtonName |
| 00:58.00 | NightHawkTheSane | or show it with ButtonName:Show() |
| 00:58.09 | Kaso | disabling a button is better than hiding it in certain circumstances usability wise because it lets the user know that function will be available at some point, but is not at the moment |
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| 00:59.18 | Skate555-Laptop | i'll hafta remember that...still having no luck finding my dropdown menu issue...i'm on the verge of giving up...but i know if they included it in the editor there hasta be a way to retrieve the option.../sigh |
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| 01:00.27 | Kaso | dropdown issue? |
| 01:00.50 | NightHawkTheSane | I saw a small tutorial on dropdown menus somewhere on the wiki. *shrug* |
| 01:01.05 | Skate555-Laptop | yeah i'm using wowuidesigner and cant find out how to retrieve which item the user selects |
| 01:01.27 | Kaso | dont rely on IDEs imo ;p |
| 01:01.28 | Skate555-Laptop | the tutorial you found is most likely for uidropdownmenu which helps me none...heh |
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| 01:02.17 | Skate555-Laptop | ehh 1) i like to see what i'm doing with the graphical end of my programming like what happens when i move [this] 4 pixels to the right |
| 01:02.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaso: there's nothing wrong with IDEs. P |
| 01:02.29 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 01:02.30 | Skate555-Laptop | 2) i dont like xml... |
| 01:02.46 | NightHawkTheSane | its the difference between trusting generated code and knowing how that code gets generated |
| 01:03.00 | Kaso | theres nothing wrong with ides, but using ides to the point where you cant function if the ide does not supply a certain feature is a problem |
| 01:03.06 | Kaso | Yah, defintately ^ |
| 01:03.47 | NeoTron | designing a UI with a graphical tool is typically heck of a lot nicer as long as the designer works :P |
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| 01:04.07 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: true, that depends a LOT on the language/environment, though. |
| 01:04.12 | Skate555-Laptop | lolz here is another difference fer yeh..being unable to function without the IDE and refusing to function without the IDE...i for example cant stand xml...doesn't mean i couldn't right it...just means i wont... |
| 01:04.38 | NightHawkTheSane | WoW is one case where the environment really works best if you know what the code is doing, and IDE's havn't gotten to the highly usable stage yet |
| 01:04.47 | Kaso | well thats "effectively" unable to function anyway |
| 01:05.12 | Skate555-Laptop | unable is quite a bit different |
| 01:05.18 | NeoTron | Skate555-Laptop: ofc depending on your needs, using something like AceGUI-3.0 might be handy |
| 01:05.24 | Skate555-Laptop | unable means without the ability to...not lacking the will to |
| 01:05.33 | NeoTron | you don't have to ever touch XML to make a WoW UI |
| 01:05.55 | NeoTron | that said I absolutely hate making UI's :P |
| 01:06.08 | Skate555-Laptop | ehh my GUIs are simplistic anyway i just need a graphic to frontend my code...nothing fancy... |
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| 01:06.19 | Kaso | Skate555-Laptop, yes, but ultimately the end result is the same. |
| 01:06.20 | NeoTron | which is why MagicDKP just uses the ace config UI rather than a more streamlined custom UI |
| 01:06.33 | WobWork | hateses xml my precious |
| 01:06.42 | NightHawkTheSane | I actually love xml |
| 01:06.42 | NeoTron | if all you need is a way to do settings, you can do it with a simple table using ace config |
| 01:06.43 | Skate555-Laptop | kaso yes it may be the same resault but not the same cause... |
| 01:06.50 | NightHawkTheSane | I just find it slightly kludgy to use in wow. |
| 01:06.55 | Wobin | okay |
| 01:06.58 | Wobin | agreed |
| 01:07.06 | Wobin | I hateses xml in wow, preciousssss |
| 01:07.31 | Wobin | as a markup language for information, it's fine |
| 01:07.31 | Kaso | I have a love hate relationship with xml in wow. |
| 01:07.45 | Wobin | as a descriptive language to show frames, it's terrible |
| 01:07.49 | Kaso | Sometimes its a real pain, but sometimes making lua code to generate a certain UI can be real pain also |
| 01:07.51 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, XML is GREAT as long as i don't have to hand write it, or hand read it. ;) |
| 01:08.01 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: sounds like perl |
| 01:08.05 | NeoTron | or use it as a network protocol |
| 01:08.06 | Kaso | the hierarchical layout is helpful sometimes ;p |
| 01:08.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: haha.. i actually like writing perl.. reading.. well. ;) |
| 01:08.32 | Skate555-Laptop | to be honest i have actually done some xml on my own sadly...had to touch up stuff that the IDE couldn't touch... |
| 01:08.40 | Wobin | I've said it before, and probably will say it very often =P Perl is a write once read never language =P |
| 01:08.50 | Kaso | lol ^ |
| 01:08.56 | NeoTron | I've seen apps that used XML to communicate... potentially over the network but deployed in such a manner so it used XML to communicate with itself |
| 01:09.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: indeed. |
| 01:09.02 | NeoTron | using a network connection at that |
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| 01:09.16 | Wobin | ... why? |
| 01:09.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i try, really hard, to write maintainable perl scripts. but the language has a mind of it's own, i swear |
| 01:09.53 | NeoTron | "we might want to split this out as a service sometime" kind of thinkinf |
| 01:11.11 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: thats how our product at my job works. We've got several parts, which communicate with each other via XML. |
| 01:11.28 | Skate555-Laptop | so anyone have any other ideas where i can look for info on retreiving the data in the combobox?? |
| 01:11.30 | NeoTron | in the same process? |
| 01:12.11 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: hm? |
| 01:12.22 | Esamynn | NeoTron: you mean they left the pieces in the same process, they didn't go all the way? |
| 01:12.38 | Esamynn | sounds half-assed |
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| 01:15.38 | Esamynn | though, I suppose I can see why they might do that |
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| 01:19.02 | Shirik | lua> 1.8e-14 * (math.exp(0.6/2.5e-7)-1) |
| 01:19.02 | lua_bot | Shirik: inf |
| 01:19.21 | Shirik | lua> (math.exp(0.6/2.5e-7)-1) |
| 01:19.21 | lua_bot | Shirik: inf |
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| 01:21.50 | NeoTron | Esamynn: that is my point. it was really messed up |
| 01:22.02 | Esamynn | heh |
| 01:22.22 | NeoTron | basically the system was DESIGNED to be able to split up as multiple services but it ran from one process that communicated with itself using XML / network IO.. multiple levels even |
| 01:25.52 | Tem | lol I just made chrome very angry |
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| 01:33.02 | WobWork | Tem: call it's mother bad names? |
| 01:33.19 | Tem | WobWork, I tried to drag a tab from one chrome window to another |
| 01:33.28 | Tem | and it didn't like that very much |
| 01:33.35 | WobWork | hm, that's worked for me in the past |
| 01:33.39 | Tem | me too |
| 01:34.01 | Tem | the window the I pulled from decided to crash completely and I had to kill it from the window process manager |
| 01:34.03 | Tem | s/w the/w that/ |
| 01:34.31 | WobWork | welll, thanks to chrome, it didn't crash everything! |
| 01:34.54 | Tem | it didn't crash the other tabs of chrome I had open, no |
| 01:35.02 | Tem | but I had to kill the main process |
| 01:35.07 | Tem | so I lost my other tabs anywa |
| 01:35.10 | Tem | anyway* |
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| 01:50.35 | Skate555-Laptop | this combobox situation is highly agravating... |
| 01:52.28 | Skate555-Laptop | tem use firefox remembers tabs between sessions so if it crashes when you start it again it loads right up to where it was befroe |
| 01:52.47 | Tem | . . . |
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| 02:25.16 | Shirik | lua> local ln = math.log; return ln(5)/ln(2), ln(5/2), ln(5-2) |
| 02:25.16 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2.3219280948874, 0.91629073187416, 1.0986122886681 |
| 02:25.52 | Shirik | lua> math.log(5)-math.log(2) |
| 02:25.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.91629073187415 |
| 02:28.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: any way to make java produce a warning when doing int division that will lose precision? |
| 02:28.47 | Shirik | int division that will lose precision? Why would it lose precision? |
| 02:28.50 | Shirik | Not being divisible? |
| 02:28.53 | ScytheBlade1 | int a = 3/5; |
| 02:29.00 | ScytheBlade1 | a == 0 |
| 02:29.16 | Shirik | not that I'm aware of :/ |
| 02:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda what I was guessing |
| 02:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 02:29.35 | Shirik | unfortunately you can't overload operators in Java |
| 02:29.41 | Shirik | otherwise I would advise extending the Integer class |
| 02:29.45 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:30.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got the generic "intro to programming" class where I sleep through most of it |
| 02:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | One of the assignments was to convert F to C using only ints |
| 02:30.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 02:31.47 | Shirik | why did you break it kd3? |
| 02:32.05 | kd3 | because I'm an eeeevil person |
| 02:32.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Well at least you're honest about it |
| 02:33.40 | smcn | sad jigsaw piece :( |
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| 02:46.41 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336522407&sid=1 - bump/sticky req, kd3? =] |
| 02:54.05 | Ackis | anyone here alliance on Illidan US? :) |
| 02:54.25 | kd3 | rofl... I just killed the mother of bambina |
| 02:57.08 | Tem | so, I can hold about 2800 dps as unholy at level 73 |
| 02:57.18 | Tem | that's pretty intense |
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| 03:04.29 | Jamash | o iz dat sum premade |
| 03:04.47 | Sargeras | average wait time? |
| 03:05.16 | Jamash | 1hr |
| 03:05.17 | kd3 | I'm just confused at the two copies that don't have a class specified |
| 03:05.23 | Jamash | DK I assume |
| 03:05.24 | smcn | death knight? |
| 03:05.24 | Tekkub | pvpdruid2? aw.... |
| 03:05.41 | kd3 | oh, duh |
| 03:05.58 | smcn | i think pvp refers to the gear, you can still choose northrend |
| 03:05.59 | Sargeras | oh hey |
| 03:06.01 | Sargeras | premades are up |
| 03:06.11 | smcn | definitely going to do as many as i can |
| 03:06.17 | smcn | before the wait time is 3 weeks |
| 03:06.17 | smcn | :P |
| 03:07.34 | NightHawkTheSane | premades.. lovely. |
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| 03:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | hm.. premades for pvp? meh. |
| 03:09.57 | smcn | someone on beta forums re:premades "Probably a fake." wtf is that supposed to mean? someone hacked beta.worldofwarcraft.com? |
| 03:09.59 | smcn | :P |
| 03:10.58 | NightHawkTheSane | probably an idiot either trolling or pretending to be clever |
| 03:11.18 | Tekkub | you do not need to pretend if your truely are clever |
| 03:11.30 | |pez| | damnit blogg.no, couldn't you have made life easier for me, and produced a working rss file from the backup option?! |
| 03:12.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: why do you think i said "pretending" ;) |
| 03:13.11 | Tekkub | cause you're not clever? |
| 03:13.37 | NightHawkTheSane | nevermind. :p |
| 03:13.52 | Tekkub | see, there you go not beign clever again |
| 03:15.29 | Sargeras | kd3, did ya copy a premade? |
| 03:15.35 | Sargeras | or your mage again? |
| 03:15.41 | kd3 | another premade |
| 03:15.45 | kd3 | s/another/a/ |
| 03:15.45 | Sargeras | ah |
| 03:15.48 | kd3 | damn it! |
| 03:15.53 | Sargeras | lol |
| 03:15.57 | kd3 | world server crashed before I could copy all the quest text |
| 03:16.04 | Sargeras | awww |
| 03:17.52 | NightHawkTheSane | doh |
| 03:19.03 | Sargeras | unfortunately, this means every idiot in beta is gonna have an 80 =( |
| 03:19.35 | NightHawkTheSane | well.. its not like a public ptr where every idiot who pays $15/mo can have an 80 |
| 03:19.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, theoretically, everyone in beta has the opportunity to level a character to 80 |
| 03:20.33 | Tekkub | they do? |
| 03:20.43 | Sargeras | lol |
| 03:21.52 | Larana | But, eww, they're all PvP premades |
| 03:22.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i presume they want to test pvp at 80, and not wait for every idiot in beta to get to 80 :p |
| 03:25.30 | Tekkub | Larana, it lets you pick realm |
| 03:26.22 | Larana | Yeah, I know. But then I have to wear cootyfied pvp gear and since it's beta, I'd feel obligated to test pvp. |
| 03:26.35 | Larana | It'd be dirty. |
| 03:26.39 | Sargeras | I'll definitely test it |
| 03:26.46 | Tekkub | you would? I wouldn't |
| 03:27.00 | Sargeras | but then, you'll have people that have no experience with that particular class playing at that level |
| 03:27.03 | Sargeras | which is very bad |
| 03:27.04 | NightHawkTheSane | I would |
| 03:27.13 | NightHawkTheSane | even though I loath pvp onlinve |
| 03:27.16 | NightHawkTheSane | on live* |
| 03:28.04 | Larana | I may change my mind, but as of this moment, I'll wait for if/when they open up pve premades. |
| 03:28.22 | Sargeras | some priest is gonna roll a rogue going "rawr, i r l33t dps, stab stab sta.... awww I died to a warrior wtf NERF!@" |
| 03:28.23 | NightHawkTheSane | it seems unlikely that they would |
| 03:28.53 | NightHawkTheSane | if they want to test pve end-game content, they'd want to test it with what people can reasonably get, not what a pre-made gets for free |
| 03:29.07 | Larana | True |
| 03:29.13 | kd3 | if anything, they'll give us a lv80 blue set |
| 03:29.21 | kd3 | if they go that route |
| 03:29.23 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe, yeah |
| 03:29.41 | Larana | Then again, they said they wouldn't open premades until the end of beta, so yeah. |
| 03:29.51 | Sargeras | its probably the LK 1 arena set |
| 03:29.54 | Sargeras | which is blue |
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| 03:30.17 | NightHawkTheSane | well kd3 copied one, so he can tell us when he finds out ;) |
| 03:30.27 | Sargeras | I did too |
| 03:30.29 | Sargeras | in the queue atm |
| 03:35.30 | kd3 | and I'm through... |
| 03:38.31 | kd3 | rare arena 1 set, epic honor 1 dps haste neck/cloak/bracers/belt/boots/ring/pvp trinket, honor 2 ring, spell power trinket, |
| 03:40.11 | steev | how the hell does that = sorry |
| 03:41.04 | Larana | What was the emote you put in? |
| 03:41.10 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry = sorrys = sorryz = soz. |
| 03:41.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess. *shrug* |
| 03:43.35 | Larana | Will the pvp tanking sets have shields? |
| 03:44.38 | kd3 | copy a shield-bearing class and see? |
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| 03:45.08 | Larana | Heh, yeah, I'll see tomorrow, need sleeps now. |
| 03:46.00 | Sargeras | heh |
| 03:46.07 | Sargeras | my premade still pending =( |
| 03:49.11 | |Jelly| | http://i38.tinypic.com/24nedxj.jpg /sigh |
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| 03:50.47 | kd3 | sigh at forgetting that dalaran -> fordragon is still no man's land |
| 03:51.00 | Sargeras | yeah |
| 03:51.14 | Sargeras | what class is your premade? |
| 03:51.58 | Shirik | |Jelly|: ROFL! |
| 03:52.39 | ccox | hmm, do the premades come with tradeskills already known? |
| 03:53.37 | End | heh |
| 03:54.16 | kd3 | no |
| 03:54.20 | kd3 | FA450, riding 300 |
| 03:54.24 | Shirik | FA450? |
| 03:54.26 | kd3 | all weapon skills maxed |
| 03:54.27 | kd3 | first aid |
| 03:54.29 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:54.29 | ccox | first aid |
| 03:54.34 | Shirik | I'm thinking coursework >.> |
| 03:54.44 | End | got in an argument with my guildies on whether easymother can tell positions or not |
| 03:54.59 | WobWork | hm that's really clever |
| 03:55.01 | Shirik | my guild is convinced easymother doesn't work |
| 03:55.08 | WobWork | Digsby, allows you to set your userpic |
| 03:55.24 | WobWork | and by selecting 'screen' it turns the userpic dialog box into a viewfinder |
| 03:55.24 | End | I don't like easymother, because it keeps teleporting people next to the tanks :-/ I think our position needs work |
| 03:55.37 | End | and people just blinding run |
| 03:55.42 | WobWork | so you can move it over what image you want currently on the screen and take a 'shot' of it |
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| 03:55.53 | End | blindly* |
| 03:56.06 | WobWork | It's a masterfully clever use of user interface |
| 04:00.15 | End | yeah |
| 04:00.16 | End | ok |
| 04:00.23 | End | fuck our position and fuck easymother |
| 04:00.29 | End | we just had someone run right through the raid |
| 04:00.40 | WobWork | were they naked? |
| 04:00.51 | End | no |
| 04:00.55 | WobWork | cause raid streaking is a forgotten art |
| 04:01.03 | End | haha |
| 04:01.14 | Syzgyn | Anyone else have 0 premade transfers available? |
| 04:01.21 | WobWork | link up? |
| 04:01.35 | steev | is there an addon to get rid of the stupid "you must enter the instance to recover your body" message - i mean seriously, im fucking level 70, i should know this by now |
| 04:01.51 | NightHawkTheSane | haha, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi7pYuQU3RE |
| 04:01.53 | WobWork | steev: -that- is not a good reason =P |
| 04:02.02 | Corrodias | probably not, BUT i know how to do it, steev |
| 04:02.07 | Corrodias | well, probably |
| 04:02.24 | steev | WobWork: the fact that you should know that you have to by the time you're 70? |
| 04:02.28 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:02.36 | WobWork | I've seen 70s who have not run a single instance |
| 04:02.38 | Corrodias | create a function that does nothing, find the name of the frame, and run (at any point) framename:Show = donothing |
| 04:02.44 | WobWork | it's TERRIBLE |
| 04:02.45 | Corrodias | or perhaps setting it to nil works also. haven't tried that kind of thing. |
| 04:02.55 | steev | WobWork: okay - so how about... only showing it the first fucking time instead of every time |
| 04:03.23 | End | or unregister the event |
| 04:03.48 | Corrodias | i've prevented annoying things from apeparing that way before. unregistering all events on the frame is pretty cool too, unless it's :Shown by another frame |
| 04:03.51 | WobWork | steev: you might miss it the first time =) |
| 04:04.12 | Corrodias | WobWork: he already knows about it, so steev personally doesn't need the message |
| 04:04.23 | WobWork | hehe |
| 04:11.03 | kd3 | sheez... 1508 spell power, fully chanted and geared |
| 04:11.51 | Skate555-Laptop | soo...does anyone know how to use combobox in wow ui designer?? |
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| 04:12.11 | Thunder_Child | wow...spore it teh fun |
| 04:12.15 | Thunder_Child | ftm anyway |
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| 04:13.48 | devXero | does anyone know where ( or if ) the class base stats are stored in the client data anywhere? |
| 04:14.09 | devXero | s/class/race/ |
| 04:24.31 | smcn | i dunno, i know StatLogic has it hardcoded |
| 04:34.57 | WobWork | ... |
| 04:35.03 | WobWork | xkcd today is -weird- |
| 04:35.50 | Shirik | I agree |
| 04:35.57 | WobWork | I don't get it =\ |
| 04:36.05 | WobWork | am I losing my geekiness? |
| 04:36.07 | Shirik | hover over it |
| 04:36.11 | Shirik | I didn't either |
| 04:38.04 | Tekkub | funny thing is, he had to steal a menu to make the comic |
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| 04:38.52 | WobWork | oh |
| 04:38.56 | WobWork | it's a parody of House of Leaves |
| 04:39.16 | WobWork | I never realised xkcd had explanatory text on the website =P |
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| 04:41.30 | WobWork | It's a sign it's fallen into cliqueness |
| 04:42.06 | Corrodias | what? what? i had to reboot |
| 04:42.11 | Corrodias | DONT LEAVE ME OUT! |
| 04:42.25 | WobWork | the latest xkcd |
| 04:42.40 | WobWork | it required an explanatory line on the homepage |
| 04:43.19 | WobWork | thus has crossed the line from "any geek can get the references" to "click the link to find the reference" |
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| 04:47.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I forgot how much of a stupid movie strange brew was. |
| 04:47.40 | Jamash | my sister tried to get me to read house of leaves |
| 04:50.14 | WobWork | did you do it? |
| 04:50.32 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, premades on the main servers... I thought they were going to have a seperate, premades-only server for that shite |
| 04:50.37 | Jamash | I read part of it |
| 04:50.48 | Jamash | Then I had a dream about it |
| 04:50.53 | Jamash | now I'm refusing to read the rest |
| 04:50.55 | WobWork | Neuro_Medivh: everyone's duelling? =P |
| 04:51.06 | WobWork | scary |
| 04:51.08 | Jamash | my premade BE warlock has no talent points |
| 04:51.34 | Corrodias | what's house of leaves like? |
| 04:51.47 | smcn | Neuro_Medivh: there still hasn't been an announcement regarding pre-mades. my guess is, since they just opened a pvp forum that these premades are just for testing wintergrasp and will be deleted when/before naxx is released |
| 04:51.47 | WobWork | Pancakes, apparently |
| 04:51.56 | Jamash | it's a mystery wrapped inside an enigma |
| 04:52.20 | Jamash | also every time the word "house" appears it's colored blue |
| 04:52.49 | WobWork | that'd've made the publishing painful |
| 04:52.59 | Jamash | it's a novel about a manuscript about a fictional documentary about a house with non-euclidean geometry |
| 04:53.35 | WobWork | a meta-novel-script? |
| 04:53.40 | Jamash | more or less |
| 04:53.51 | Syzgyn | smcn: I hope you're right |
| 04:54.01 | Neuro_Medivh | meh, Dictionary of the Khazars did that already, and far better |
| 04:54.13 | Syzgyn | though having premades for such a short time seems silly |
| 04:54.33 | smcn | so do i, although i haven't played in a couple days because i don't want to level my druid without my warrior friend;( |
| 04:54.50 | smcn | balance is so boring and i don't have any feral gear |
| 04:55.25 | smcn | maybe when they fix azn i'll just instance grind |
| 04:55.31 | Corrodias | balance is not BORING |
| 04:55.44 | smcn | Corrodias: i might just have an aversion to playing a caster |
| 04:55.47 | smcn | well, caster dps |
| 04:55.51 | Corrodias | boring my ass! boring my ass! :d wait, i like where this is going |
| 04:55.51 | WobWork | I <3 balance |
| 04:56.20 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, so, I recently moved, and while my internet is now up, I have no TV. I need some recommendations on good movies that might be a bit obscure. |
| 04:56.21 | smcn | ~dict bore |
| 04:56.44 | WobWork | Neuro_Medivh: Donnie Darko? |
| 04:56.56 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, that's one I need to see... keep meaning to |
| 04:56.57 | Corrodias | 5.to force (an opening), as through a crowd, by persistent forward thrusting (usually fol. by through or into); to force or make (a passage). |
| 04:57.14 | Neuro_Medivh | but that's about the kind of movie I'm looking for... |
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| 04:57.30 | smcn | Corrodias: indeed! it's kind of like, "driving me nuts" |
| 04:57.31 | WobWork | Dog Soldiers |
| 04:57.40 | WobWork | not actually obscure |
| 04:57.43 | WobWork | but entertaniing! |
| 04:58.06 | Neuro_Medivh | Horror movie I take it? |
| 04:58.18 | WobWork | It's a fantastically B grade werewolf flick |
| 04:58.52 | Neuro_Medivh | eh, maybe then... I'm not a big horror fan, at least the standard hollywood gore and torture fests |
| 04:59.33 | WobWork | Nah, this one is more funny than scary |
| 04:59.33 | Corrodias | hollywood gore and torture? HAH |
| 04:59.33 | Neuro_Medivh | I prefer my horror psychological, like The Ring |
| 04:59.39 | WobWork | I just had a recommendation for 1408 |
| 04:59.47 | Neuro_Medivh | saw it, it's good |
| 04:59.50 | Corrodias | that stuff is more boring than a balance druid |
| 05:00.26 | Neuro_Medivh | I'd love to find another movie like 'Primer' |
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| 05:03.14 | WobWork | Neuro_Medivh: Battle Royale |
| 05:05.23 | Neuro_Medivh | the japanese movie? |
| 05:06.17 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:06.44 | Neuro_Medivh | um... not entirely sure if watching Japanese 9th graders killing each other is my cup of tea, but thanks.. =) |
| 05:07.20 | WobWork | It's so Japanese though =P |
| 05:07.39 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 05:07.54 | WobWork | It's hard to find movies that make you think |
| 05:08.01 | Neuro_Medivh | sounds like a cross between Survivor, Lord of the Flies, and any random slasher film |
| 05:08.07 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah.. those are the ones I like though |
| 05:08.10 | WobWork | with Japanese schoolkids |
| 05:08.12 | Neuro_Medivh | have you ever seen Primer? |
| 05:08.47 | Neuro_Medivh | VERY indy film, made with like 7 grand, but it won the Sundance Grand Jury prize |
| 05:09.14 | Neuro_Medivh | It's one of those films where you can watch it 2-3 times and still catch things |
| 05:10.07 | WobWork | Cube? |
| 05:10.10 | WobWork | and Hypercube? |
| 05:10.33 | Neuro_Medivh | Seen Cube |
| 05:10.41 | Neuro_Medivh | didn't bother with the sequels |
| 05:11.00 | torokokill` | should watch Machine Girl |
| 05:11.09 | WobWork | life on mars is a good tv series |
| 05:11.12 | torokokill` | it's the best over-the-top japanese shock film ever |
| 05:11.24 | torokokill` | it has ninja yakuza in it |
| 05:11.55 | Neuro_Medivh | Wobwork, which version, the British or the US? |
| 05:11.58 | torokokill` | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSpCWJnnWVI trailler |
| 05:12.55 | WobWork | the uk one |
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| 05:13.58 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, seen both series 1 and 2 of Life on Mars... I have Series one of the sequel 'Ashes to Ashes', need to finish watching it |
| 05:14.14 | WobWork | I hear the us version sucks monkey balls =) |
| 05:14.32 | WobWork | Wire in the Blood is a good british detective series |
| 05:15.09 | Fogger | I enjoyed "The Butterfly Effect" & "The Jacket", "K-Pax" "Sunshine" all sci-fi |
| 05:15.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Wire in the Blood is quite good... waiting for the new season to start in the UK =) |
| 05:15.58 | Mike-N-Go | ~seen Macniel |
| 05:16.00 | purl | macniel <i=Gaius@host-091-097-106-173.ewe-ip-backbone.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 298d 6h 55m 24s ago, saying: 'maybe i ask in the authoring forum, because in germany its late i 'm going to school ^.^ bye and see ya next time'. |
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| 05:20.37 | Corrodias | success: i have identified what was setting off securom 7 and keeping FEAR from running |
| 05:21.12 | Corrodias | i had an old version of Registry Monitor that i must have run at some point. the newest versions of Process Explorer and Process Monitor, once closed, do not affect its ability to run. |
| 05:25.49 | Thunder_Child | "Deel je webcamverhalen met Logitech en win!" i do think they sent me the wrong newsletter |
| 05:28.02 | WobWork | Your hovercraft is -not- full of eels? |
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| 05:43.50 | Thunder_Child | huh...i wonder how they knew that |
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| 05:47.55 | torokokill` | Subject: {Spam?} Credit Union: IMPORTANT :PayPal Account Verification |
| 05:47.55 | torokokill` | From: "PayPal" <MessagesAccounts@Pay-PalL.com> |
| 05:47.58 | torokokill` | this sounds legit |
| 05:48.08 | NightHawkTheSane | absolutely. click their links |
| 05:48.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ... un'goro?!? |
| 05:49.45 | torokokill` | they even provided a handy "click here" link in this email to their site so i could update all my account sensitive information |
| 05:51.20 | Thunder_Child | most of the spam mail i get is more amusing than half the jokes i find on the web |
| 05:53.11 | WobWork | Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller Aale |
| 05:53.56 | WobWork | Ilmatyynyalukseni on täynnä ankeriaita |
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| 06:00.50 | Thrae | Yep that fixed it. I knew it was the Microsoft-brand wireless mouse, but I never did anything about it. Boy am I lazy. *tries WAU* |
| 06:02.57 | Thrae | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911895 <-- I am such a lazy slob |
| 06:03.25 | Skate555-Laptop | http://media.taek-it.net/images/468_ss.jpg << is it just me or does this not look like 1600x reso?? |
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| 06:04.30 | Corrodias | the text is pretty large |
| 06:06.13 | Skate555-Laptop | that's what i thought aswell...is that just a bad setting in the IDE or is my reso fsked?? although even my start bar looks bigger than it should be to me... |
| 06:08.30 | Nargiddley | looks right for 1680x1050 to me |
| 06:09.00 | Nargiddley | just that code being at something like 14pt makes it seem off |
| 06:10.01 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, that's def. 1680x1050, fits my screen exactly |
| 06:10.27 | Neuro_Medivh | shame about the Vista though =) |
| 06:15.27 | smcn | you know what i miss more than adblock with chrome, is the greasemonkey script to hide youtube comments |
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| 06:17.20 | WobWork | I'd want that for icanhazcheezeburger |
| 06:18.44 | smcn | heh, my sole source of lolcats is caturday on fark :P |
| 06:20.37 | WobWork | isn't every day, caturday? |
| 06:32.24 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.cracked.com/article_14982_9-manliest-names-in-world.html |
| 06:33.25 | Corrodias | i could just link every single page on cracked.com |
| 06:33.50 | NightHawkTheSane | you could... |
| 06:35.57 | ccox | I love that Max Planck made the list |
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| 06:43.18 | nevcairiel | Stupid EU GMs, now they actually deleted my ticket without doing shit, and my character is still stuck and i cannot play |
| 06:45.54 | Neuro_Medivh | I must admit, "Dr Duncan Steel" is an awesome name |
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| 06:57.38 | WobWork | http://www.somethingpositive.net/ |
| 06:57.43 | WobWork | Hail Crom! |
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| 07:04.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Hail Crom! |
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| 07:18.51 | Thrae | Must...resist urge to...buy relatively cheap video upgrade! |
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| 07:41.23 | Esamynn | when did they add the option to make pre-mades on beta? |
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| 07:42.05 | NeoTron | like now |
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| 07:43.14 | NeoTron | all the premades are pvp ? |
| 07:43.36 | smcn | pvp geared |
| 07:43.46 | Corrodias | your mom is pvp |
| 07:44.32 | Corrodias | Probably Very Polite |
| 07:44.37 | Corrodias | yeah, i just WENT THERE |
| 07:44.39 | Thunder_Child | oh Corrodias, you insult like a schoolgirl |
| 07:44.58 | smcn | your mom is so terrific, she was elected the mayor of awesomeville |
| 07:45.02 | Corrodias | and you taste like a schoolgirl, friend |
| 07:46.09 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes i do |
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| 08:08.26 | WobWork | hum |
| 08:08.33 | WobWork | has auctioneer removed the singledump scan? |
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| 08:13.55 | nevcairiel | WobWork: used to work for me last week |
| 08:13.59 | nevcairiel | ./auc getall or so |
| 08:14.28 | WobWork | aha getall |
| 08:15.26 | Skate555-Laptop | still noone on who knows how to do a combobox on wow ui designer?? |
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| 08:16.52 | nevcairiel | never used the tool, sorry |
| 08:16.54 | WobWork | damnit |
| 08:16.57 | WobWork | it DC'd me =P |
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| 08:17.01 | nevcairiel | hah |
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| 08:24.28 | Skate555-Laptop | you know the people in #lua told me that it makes no sence for lua to have i+=# because lua doesn't have c object...but i mean += is just shorthand that looks neeter and takes less time... |
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| 08:31.53 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.31 | haste | does milliseconds really build up over time! |
| 08:32.53 | Skate555-Laptop | ehh you develope habbits in other languages like vb, c, c++, java that want to cross over |
| 08:33.28 | wereHamster | how boring the world would be if we had only one programing language |
| 08:33.38 | wereHamster | there are differences. Live with it |
| 08:35.21 | Fisker- | lol |
| 08:35.24 | Fisker- | age of conan on steam |
| 08:35.28 | Skate555-Laptop | you knwo humans by nature are lazy, computers only exist for this reason...so if your gonna give me flack for a little bit of lazyness dont be using computers or any other convenience...jeez |
| 08:36.02 | digmouse | is the dev guild on Northrend having a plan to raid new naxx? |
| 08:36.59 | Skate555-Laptop | i was simply stating that i disagree that it makes no sence...unecissary maybe...but still makes atleast some sense as it does make life even slightly easier... |
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| 08:40.13 | [Liquidor] | Haha check this out. Ever noticed your female Dr gets angry when in the water? :P http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Paracropolis/rh/bb47213b.jpg |
| 08:40.48 | wereHamster | lua allows you to do things that are impossible in C, why don't you complain about (lack) of these when writing in C? |
| 08:41.41 | Skate555-Laptop | well chances are i'll miss features when i go back... |
| 08:42.21 | Skate555-Laptop | maybe drenai are bad swimmers since they dont have feet?? |
| 08:42.28 | wereHamster | [Liquidor]: isn't that because of the different viewing angle? |
| 08:43.06 | Skate555-Laptop | and i'm not complaining about a lack of features...i'm arguing that it does make atleast some sence...two totally different ends of the spectrom |
| 08:45.20 | Skate555-Laptop | wow my friend's having a shitload of trouble getting a factoid running split between my irc channel and another one...lolz |
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| 08:51.15 | Lukian | (18:48:02) Pandor: pfft that's not angry :> (18:48:06) Pandor: that;s... shrewd (18:48:08) Pandor: :D (18:48:12) Pandor: investigative |
| 08:51.19 | Lukian | @ [Liquidor] :p |
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| 08:52.25 | Ycarene | Woot, Beta invite! |
| 08:52.35 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 08:52.55 | nevcairiel | someone get the freaking GMs to fix ma char |
| 08:53.02 | nevcairiel | and not delete the ticket without any word |
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| 08:58.19 | Lyn | nevcairiel, are you the one who is sitting in alliance town with the no man's land debuff since some weeks? XD |
| 08:58.36 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 08:58.44 | nevcairiel | I'm in CoT:Stratholme and crash on login |
| 08:58.50 | nevcairiel | for like 5 days now |
| 08:59.15 | nevcairiel | the crash is a known bug, and they even made the area NML now |
| 08:59.18 | nevcairiel | but that doesnt help me |
| 08:59.23 | Lyn | :x |
| 09:00.18 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: owned! |
| 09:00.18 | nevcairiel | i hope the next patch fixes the crash bug, so i can get out of there |
| 09:00.18 | nevcairiel | i was so close to finally 80 |
| 09:00.18 | Elessdy | a GM ticket should get your character warped out, if i'm not mistaken |
| 09:01.22 | nevcairiel | Elessdy: had a ticket up for 4 days, then it mysteriously vanished |
| 09:01.22 | Kalroth | Just log your GM account, nev |
| 09:01.31 | Corrodias | that's... strange |
| 09:01.31 | Corrodias | they usually give you an email when they answer it |
| 09:01.31 | nevcairiel | no mail, no fix for my char |
| 09:02.42 | nevcairiel | i should bug a live GM |
| 09:02.42 | nevcairiel | and ask :P |
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| 10:05.29 | ^kiki^ | Hi |
| 10:05.42 | Slakah | Hello |
| 10:05.55 | ^kiki^ | Is there someone that can explain me, why ChatThrottle is not unqueuing messages in the same order they were queued (for the same queue)? (with same prio/prefix/queueName) |
| 10:07.14 | ^kiki^ | (I printed the messages into 2 tables in Chatthrottlelib, one when queueing, and one when unqueuing) |
| 10:07.30 | ^kiki^ | I made a loop that use ChatThrottlelib:SendChatMessage() (with same prefix, prio, queueName), and the messages are effectivelly output to the channel... in a different order |
| 10:08.07 | cladhaire | Mikk: ping :P |
| 10:08.15 | ^kiki^ | :) |
| 10:08.56 | ^kiki^ | this is a serious issue for my CustomChatComm lib (to replace old Ace2 comm, because Ace3 doesnt support cuistom chans) |
| 10:11.19 | Skate555-Laptop | is it possible in LUA to contain if segments?? |
| 10:11.34 | krka | Skate555-Laptop: No reason to yell the name of the langage. |
| 10:11.41 | wereHamster | Skate555-Laptop: define 'if segments' |
| 10:11.53 | cladhaire | ~writeluaright |
| 10:11.54 | purl | Lua is not an acronym, it's the Portuguese word for "moon" |
| 10:11.54 | Skate555-Laptop | like between then and else and else and end |
| 10:12.02 | cladhaire | Skate555-Laptop: conditionals are supported in Lua, yes. |
| 10:12.13 | cladhaire | I suggest you read Programming in Lua |
| 10:12.15 | cladhaire | ~pil |
| 10:12.16 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 10:12.21 | cladhaire | it will answer most of those types of questionds |
| 10:12.37 | Skate555-Laptop | why does everyone have a problem with me typing it LUA?? i mean atleast i'm giving it reverence and not treating it like it's dust on teh botom of my shoe |
| 10:12.43 | cladhaire | its not an acrynym |
| 10:12.58 | cladhaire | and the authors have specifically started a campaign to stop people from writing it as an acronym |
| 10:13.01 | wereHamster | Skate555-Laptop: you don't write MOON, do you? So don't write LUA |
| 10:13.42 | Skate555-Laptop | all caps is not acronimic...L*U*A would be acronimic... |
| 10:14.05 | cladhaire | Wow, you are just amazing. |
| 10:14.14 | cladhaire | Its "Lua", full stop |
| 10:14.20 | wereHamster | why are you arguing again? The Lua authors don't want you to write Lua in all caps, so respect them and don't do it |
| 10:14.28 | Skate555-Laptop | but that aside i would rather not read a whole book just to find out if there is an easy way to make parts of an iff collapsable in my context highlighter... |
| 10:14.33 | ^kiki^ | omg... I'm such an idiot... damned typo that changed the "queueName" params of the last msg part to... nil value |
| 10:14.34 | nevcairiel | all caps is usually acronym or yelling, which are wrong |
| 10:14.49 | cladhaire | Skate555-Laptop: That's an issue for your text editor, not the language |
| 10:15.22 | cladhaire | and if you'd look at the webpage rather than avoid it you'd realize that the very basic understanding you have of the language would be greatly enhanced by 20 minutes of your time. |
| 10:16.46 | Skate555-Laptop | wereHamser 1) i'm not arguing again, i didn't know noone had once told me that the authors didn't want that... and 2) I was stating a quick point as to how acronims are properly treated in the english language... |
| 10:17.11 | Skate555-Laptop | you guys should think quick about not jumping to conclusions...it sais something very poor about your character... |
| 10:17.17 | cladhaire | Okay, listen up |
| 10:17.31 | cladhaire | you are being a righteous prick, and are being rude (again) to people you are asking to help |
| 10:17.43 | cladhaire | you should seriously step down a few notches and consider the way you're approaching chat in these channels |
| 10:17.45 | Skate555-Laptop | and cladhaire yes i do realize it's a problem with the editor, i was asking mearly if say brackets would cause a run error |
| 10:17.57 | cladhaire | #lua and #wowuidev are two of the NICEST channels you'll find anywhere |
| 10:18.06 | cladhaire | and you're just purposely arguing with people with points that aren't valid. |
| 10:18.12 | cladhaire | You don't use brackets in Lua |
| 10:18.45 | Skate555-Laptop | ok then a valid answer instead of going on a tirade would be "no you cant enclose the text" or something like that |
| 10:18.59 | cladhaire | WE did you tell you the answer |
| 10:19.17 | cladhaire | as a matter of fact it was the second thing I said |
| 10:19.54 | nevcairiel | my editor can collapse sections just fine, without brackets |
| 10:19.55 | Skate555-Laptop | Fri, Sep 05th 08)[05:11:43]-6 <@cladhaire> I suggest you read Programming in Lua << second thing you said |
| 10:20.03 | cladhaire | No, actually its not you asshole. |
| 10:20.11 | cladhaire | 11:11 cladhaire: ~writeluaright |
| 10:20.12 | cladhaire | 11:11 purl: Lua is not an acronym, it's the Portuguese word for "moon" |
| 10:20.12 | cladhaire | 11:11 Skate555-Laptop: like between then and else and else and end |
| 10:20.15 | cladhaire | 11:12 cladhaire: Skate555-Laptop: conditionals are supported in Lua |
| 10:20.38 | cladhaire | Why on earth do you do this? |
| 10:21.15 | cladhaire | I really don't understand what your problem is |
| 10:21.29 | Skate555-Laptop | how is it that 6 hours ago i got along fine talking to people in this room, soon as you get on flak starts?? |
| 10:21.44 | cladhaire | Why are you goading me? |
| 10:21.52 | cladhaire | Why are you arguing with me about things that are facT? |
| 10:21.55 | cladhaire | All interesting questions |
| 10:22.03 | Skate555-Laptop | i'm fucking not...jeez...your picking the fight |
| 10:22.11 | cladhaire | I... answered.. your.. question |
| 10:22.18 | cladhaire | I corrected you on the spelling of "Lua" |
| 10:22.20 | cladhaire | and answered your question |
| 10:22.24 | cladhaire | and directed you to proper resources |
| 10:22.44 | cladhaire | Then you asked why peopel have an issue with LUA |
| 10:22.49 | cladhaire | I told you that as well, that the authors had a campaign |
| 10:22.56 | cladhaire | I actually LINKED the campaign to you, so you could read it for yourself. |
| 10:23.07 | cladhaire | okay, thats a lie |
| 10:23.08 | cladhaire | my mistake |
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| 10:23.48 | Skate555-Laptop | no the fact that as soon as i defined acronym for you you got pissy you denying that is a fact |
| 10:24.04 | Skate555-Laptop | i gave you proper defenition of acronym for future refference... |
| 10:24.22 | cladhaire | purl no writeluaright is Lua is a Portuguese word meaning "Moon". More details can be found on the "About Lua" page at http://www.lua.org/about.html#name |
| 10:24.23 | purl | cladhaire: okay |
| 10:25.02 | nevcairiel | so you write C*I*A? *shrug |
| 10:25.07 | Skate555-Laptop | acronym like M*A*S*H is the first letters of a set of words to form a new word..i forget the term that your looking for but LUA would be that not acronym |
| 10:25.13 | krka | Skate555-Laptop: The name of the language is Lua, not LUA. |
| 10:25.16 | cladhaire | I'm sorry but you're just wrong. |
| 10:25.27 | cladhaire | first off, it would typically be M.A.S.H. |
| 10:25.30 | cladhaire | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym |
| 10:25.40 | Skate555-Laptop | CIA is once again not acrynimic |
| 10:25.47 | Slakah | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acronym |
| 10:25.50 | cladhaire | a word in all capital letters is traditionally viewed as an acronym |
| 10:26.01 | Skate555-Laptop | i'm not saying Lua is LUA...i already said sorry for that... |
| 10:26.07 | krka | Acronyms, initialisms, and alphabetisms are abbreviations that are formed using the initial components in a phrase or name. |
| 10:26.12 | Skate555-Laptop | my point is the missuse of the word acronym common mistake too |
| 10:26.19 | cladhaire | Well, this isn't |
| 10:26.23 | cladhaire | we mean acronym |
| 10:26.44 | nevcairiel | CIA is not an acronym for Central Intelligence Agency anymore? since when? |
| 10:26.57 | cladhaire | C*I*A* |
| 10:26.59 | Skate555-Laptop | either way your saying hte word out then...to be honest i was doing it the other way...you know like CIA...i was saying each letter... |
| 10:27.11 | krka | some people apparently consider it an initialism instead |
| 10:27.12 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 10:27.13 | cladhaire | it doesn't matter |
| 10:27.27 | cladhaire | which text editor are we talking about? |
| 10:27.39 | cladhaire | because most of them can do folds on Lua functions, but I'd have to look up some resources to see if they'll do them on conditionals |
| 10:27.43 | Skate555-Laptop | CIA is short for central intelegance agency yes, but it's not an acronym this is what i'm trying to explain to you M*A*S*H which is said mash is an acronym |
| 10:27.45 | cladhaire | but conditionals should be easy considering their delimited. |
| 10:27.54 | Nargiddley | The difference between an acronym and an initialism doesn't matter at all, since lua is neither |
| 10:28.11 | nevcairiel | Wikipedia even says that acronmys can have different spelling, lettter-by-letter, or as one word, still all are acronyms |
| 10:28.15 | cladhaire | Skate555-Laptop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym#Comparing_a_few_examples_of_each_type |
| 10:28.16 | Skate555-Laptop | clad i'm using wow ui designer |
| 10:28.32 | cladhaire | Skate555-Laptop: States CLEARLY there than acronyms come in many types.. including those that are pronounced letter by letter, rather than as a word |
| 10:28.41 | cladhaire | Skate555-Laptop: Then we can't help you, since that's proprietary product |
| 10:29.07 | cladhaire | Skate555-Laptop: that's not to say its impossible, but there are much fewer resources for that embedded editor |
| 10:29.33 | cladhaire | vim/emacs/etc we could give you a bit more help on :P |
| 10:29.36 | Skate555-Laptop | the editor being fixxed i dont really care about i'll live with it i simply popped in to find out if i'd get a run error if i left these {} in because they enable folding... |
| 10:29.42 | cladhaire | btu if you can find the option, we may be able to give you more |
| 10:29.50 | cladhaire | {} are tables, not if delimiters |
| 10:30.35 | cladhaire | if its folding on them, likely things are set up wrong in that editor =( |
| 10:30.44 | Skate555-Laptop | i realize that...i was just trying to see if lua would ignore if used in teh wrong context |
| 10:30.53 | cladhaire | no, they will cause lots of issues :P |
| 10:31.03 | cladhaire | that much I can promise you! |
| 10:31.05 | Skate555-Laptop | kk that simply answers it... |
| 10:31.45 | cladhaire | okay! |
| 10:31.45 | Skate555-Laptop | i just remove it if i use it...( i have some REALLY big actions being run by iff that i dont always wanna see while working on the if/else thing itself...heh) |
| 10:32.09 | cladhaire | you can always abstract them out into functions, making things a bit easier to manage |
| 10:32.13 | Skate555-Laptop | anychance there is anyone who has ever used wow ui designers' combobox item?? |
| 10:32.31 | Nargiddley | closest thing is probably a do ... end block, but that will create a local scope and probably mess things up |
| 10:32.33 | cladhaire | have you looked at the WoW addon studui? |
| 10:32.48 | cladhaire | that is a bit more actively supported, and is a much powerful editor |
| 10:32.53 | cladhaire | also a gui drag and drop designer |
| 10:33.01 | cladhaire | may be more to your likings |
| 10:33.06 | cladhaire | purl, wowaddonstudio? |
| 10:33.10 | Skate555-Laptop | wow addon studio is a pain in the at sign double dollar sign.../sigh |
| 10:33.24 | cladhaire | what problems did you have with it? |
| 10:33.28 | Skate555-Laptop | it wont even open my forms in form view and i look up the error it gives and i find nada... |
| 10:33.31 | cladhaire | I mean, you could always just use a text editor |
| 10:33.34 | cladhaire | ah |
| 10:33.35 | Skate555-Laptop | brb i'll check |
| 10:33.43 | cladhaire | can't say that shocks me :P |
| 10:34.00 | nevcairiel | notepad++ does proper code-folding for Lua, just fyi :P |
| 10:34.15 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: so do most text editors :P |
| 10:34.18 | Skate555-Laptop | i know.. |
| 10:34.29 | nevcairiel | well they do need to know Lua syntax :) |
| 10:34.30 | Skate555-Laptop | i use np++ when i dont need to see the form i'm scripting for |
| 10:34.30 | cladhaire | <WWSSDDWWA FFS CANT MOVE> |
| 10:34.35 | cladhaire | now thats an amusing guild name |
| 10:34.40 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 10:34.47 | zenzio | hehehe |
| 10:34.57 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: I'm in AV but need to go to the gym.. you wanna take over for me? |
| 10:35.04 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:35.06 | nevcairiel | no thanks |
| 10:35.07 | cladhaire | will you be my chinese honor farmer for the day? |
| 10:35.09 | cladhaire | aaw please? |
| 10:35.23 | cladhaire | only need to replace my boots, rings, and neck |
| 10:35.23 | nevcairiel | I'm bored enough already |
| 10:35.27 | Skate555-Laptop | gahh well now it's saying it cant find one or more component please reinstall... |
| 10:35.33 | cladhaire | !c draoi ravencrest |
| 10:36.01 | Skate555-Laptop | anyone got the link so i can grab it again?? |
| 10:36.10 | cladhaire | http://ravencrest-eu.warcrafter.net/Draoi |
| 10:36.10 | Thrae | !c us draoi ravencrest |
| 10:36.18 | Thrae | Oh, wait |
| 10:36.21 | cladhaire | he's not here :P |
| 10:36.29 | cladhaire | first thing I checkedwhen it didn't work |
| 10:36.35 | Thrae | Where'd he go |
| 10:37.10 | cladhaire | He got tired of his name being so long and absurdly descriptive that he quit! |
| 10:37.10 | Skate555-Laptop | cladhaire any chance you have th elink to addon studio handy?? |
| 10:37.22 | cladhaire | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=wow+addon+studio&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 10:37.31 | cladhaire | first link, naturally |
| 10:37.44 | Thrae | Fine |
| 10:37.55 | Skate555-Laptop | lolz didn't ask for you to do the search for me just asked if you had an existing link lying around sorta thing |
| 10:38.09 | cladhaire | Thrae: ? |
| 10:38.28 | Thrae | How about "WowliBot"? |
| 10:38.30 | cladhaire | Skate555-Laptop: well, finding a link to it takes more time than typing three words into google :P |
| 10:38.34 | nevcairiel | li? |
| 10:38.38 | cladhaire | whats the li stand for? |
| 10:38.58 | Kalroth | list index! |
| 10:39.06 | nevcairiel | list item? |
| 10:39.08 | Skate555-Laptop | well in my rooms generally commonly needed bits of info are on alias...so i figured i'd ask... |
| 10:39.13 | cladhaire | Thrae: why not wow_bot? |
| 10:39.15 | Kalroth | late identifier |
| 10:39.22 | nevcairiel | _ sucks :( |
| 10:39.31 | Thrae | There's another project named "wowbot", heh. |
| 10:39.35 | cladhaire | yeah, but wowbot is taken |
| 10:39.43 | Kalroth | make it w0wb0t^^ then |
| 10:39.49 | nevcairiel | thats even worse |
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| 10:39.52 | cladhaire | well the NAME of the actual bot can be different than the project name |
| 10:40.08 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:40.16 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 10:40.20 | cladhaire | i forgot I added that :P |
| 10:40.29 | nevcairiel | you know, WrittenInLua is in there twice |
| 10:40.32 | cladhaire | so much I almost hate myself :P |
| 10:40.36 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: yes, i know :P |
| 10:40.52 | cladhaire | Thrae: I think that as a project name is fine, since its descriptive of what it does |
| 10:40.53 | Kalroth | Thrae's World of Warcraft Bot for Internet Relay Chat or TWoWBfIRC |
| 10:41.16 | cladhaire | my issue was always that a.) its on irc so obviously its an irc bot (if it has bot in the name), and in that context no one cares that its written in Lua! |
| 10:41.34 | Thrae | Fine... |
| 10:41.35 | cladhaire | and its not a big deal, I just felt the need to lodge my complaint while you were here and talking :P |
| 10:41.44 | Kalroth | clad is such a hater |
| 10:41.54 | Kalroth | I agree with you, Thrae, don't listen to claddy |
| 10:41.57 | cladhaire | I'm not trying to make you submit.. I was just giving you feedback and a bit of a *nudge* |
| 10:41.58 | cladhaire | that's all *shrug* |
| 10:42.13 | cladhaire | Didn't mean to offend you in any way, if I did. |
| 10:42.46 | cladhaire | purl onjoin #wowuidev -WoWLuaircBot |
| 10:42.46 | purl | cladhaire: ok |
| 10:43.03 | nevcairiel | oh boo! |
| 10:43.19 | Thrae | I shall name it WoWUIDevSpecIndxBot. |
| 10:43.28 | nevcairiel | anyone any news on the next beta build? |
| 10:43.31 | Skate555-Laptop | wow 61 meg on my shitty connection...i'll be back when it's done...in the meantime i'm gonna try working on my code...if anyone has any idea how to grab input from wowuides' combobox menu please do pst me...that's the only step i'm missin... |
| 10:43.38 | Kalroth | good or bad news, nev? |
| 10:43.43 | krka | i shall call him WoWUIDevSpecIndxBot and he shall be my WoWUIDevSpecIndxBot. |
| 10:43.46 | nevcairiel | I've given up on GMs helping my char, so i need a patch to fix the area where i'm stuck |
| 10:44.11 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: autounstuck doesn't fix it |
| 10:44.18 | cladhaire | or can't you log in even |
| 10:44.20 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: crash on login |
| 10:44.25 | cladhaire | bah boo |
| 10:44.35 | nevcairiel | That was on monday |
| 10:44.38 | nevcairiel | had a ticket open |
| 10:44.42 | nevcairiel | yesterday it vanished |
| 10:44.44 | nevcairiel | without any answer |
| 10:44.52 | cladhaire | bah |
| 10:45.12 | nevcairiel | I should go and bug a live GM, although i doubt they would help |
| 10:45.48 | nevcairiel | ArmoryBot? :P |
| 10:46.09 | clad|away | it does so much more than armory! :P |
| 10:46.18 | clad|away | <3 Thraebot! |
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| 10:49.43 | Kalroth | wowdashbot |
| 10:49.48 | Thrae | Hyphens are still evil, CAmeliZAtioN all the way! |
| 10:49.54 | Kalroth | wowBot |
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| 10:50.03 | nevcairiel | wowbot is taken |
| 10:50.13 | Kalroth | or to be totally elite; __wowBOT |
| 10:50.57 | Thrae | __foo looks stupid. _foo_ also looks stupid. |
| 10:51.07 | Kalroth | foo__ then? |
| 10:51.25 | Thrae | Still stupid. Underlines are stupid. |
| 10:51.50 | Thrae | Blizzard, what's wrong with MaxBuffDisplay? Why must it be MAX_BUFF_DISPLAY? |
| 10:52.04 | Kalroth | It makes the constant look more important |
| 10:52.08 | nevcairiel | constants in all caps |
| 10:52.14 | Thrae | But Lua doesn't have constants. |
| 10:52.15 | nevcairiel | its a general guideline :P |
| 10:52.23 | nevcairiel | well those act as constants! |
| 10:52.32 | Thrae | And I disagree on using all caps with constants in other languages. |
| 10:52.42 | Thrae | Pre-processor commands, OK. |
| 10:52.48 | Kalroth | NEVCAIRIEL_SUCKS <- hah, good luck changing a constant, nev! |
| 10:53.45 | nevcairiel | You didnt specify a value, so i initialize it as false, now what? =P |
| 10:54.05 | Kalroth | It's a define, it doesn't need a value |
| 10:54.28 | Kalroth | The fact that it even exists makes it true! |
| 10:54.53 | Kalroth | WoW-Bot: hi |
| 10:55.00 | Kalroth | WoW-Bot: entertain please |
| 10:55.05 | Kalroth | WoW-Bot: a/s/l? |
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| 11:17.42 | cladhaire | why does every "gym" require you to be |
| 11:17.45 | cladhaire | "inducted" |
| 11:17.50 | cladhaire | like i don't know how to use the damn machines |
| 11:17.58 | cladhaire | or worse.. THE WEIGHTS! |
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| 11:32.38 | zenzio | well, in all fairness, they should give you a quick test to see if you are familiar with them or not... I for one would be hopelessly lost in a gym |
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| 11:46.05 | cladhaire | but you'd say so when you went there, that's the point :P |
| 11:46.13 | cladhaire | they should be optional, and encouraged :P |
| 11:46.51 | zenzio | fair enough |
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| 11:54.12 | nevcairiel | I suppose they do that to secure themselfes |
| 11:54.24 | nevcairiel | so noone gets hurt by not knowing wtf he is doing |
| 11:54.39 | nevcairiel | and blaiming the gym "hey you didnt tell me i shouldnt stick my head in there" |
| 11:55.16 | zenzio | "I'm gonna have a sore head tomorrow!" </Homer> |
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| 12:10.29 | Skate555-Laptop | http://filebeam.com/2e4b7f9f4420f149de52b23f41a8d835.jpg << ok you asked what sorta errors i was getting... |
| 12:12.04 | cladhaire | silly question but have you tried uninstalling and installing the latest version? |
| 12:12.25 | Skate555-Laptop | i had to to get this install working |
| 12:12.58 | Skate555-Laptop | in other words i had to install 3 times...and i know it's the latest it's the bleeting beta... |
| 12:13.10 | Skate555-Laptop | why the heck does no editor ever come line numbers turned on by default?? |
| 12:13.33 | cladhaire | because many people find them absurdly distracting |
| 12:14.20 | Skate555-Laptop | hell i code with them, whitespace markers, formatting characters...and i have bloody add... |
| 12:14.51 | Skate555-Laptop | ok so is upgrade your only suggestion?? |
| 12:15.25 | cladhaire | you could post on their site, I don't know.. |
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| 12:16.18 | Skate555-Laptop | hrm maybe i'll just start from scratch on my xml files use their auto generated ones...maybe it's an intentional incompatibility between wowuides and addon studio |
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| 12:19.33 | Nargiddley | I'd think its more likely an unintentional incompatibility |
| 12:20.08 | Nargiddley | in fact I'd be suprised if they could load each others files into the designers |
| 12:20.28 | cladhaire | agreed |
| 12:21.30 | Skate555-Laptop | ok is it normal for my toolbox to be empty?? |
| 12:22.49 | Skate555-Laptop | i mean it's a little hard to drag and drop auto generated peices when i dont have anything to start with...you know?? |
| 12:23.15 | cladhaire | probably not, no |
| 12:23.24 | cladhaire | isn't there a wiki page, etc. on addon studio? |
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| 12:44.00 | zenzio | morning, miss Peppy |
| 12:45.24 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, sir zenzio. |
| 12:49.08 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 12:50.15 | Fisker- | why not so hugtiems? |
| 12:51.09 | pb_ee1 | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 12:51.10 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give Mikk a big kiss on the ear |
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| 12:56.23 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Fisker-. |
| 12:56.38 | Fisker- | ~kiss pb_ee1 |
| 12:56.39 | purl | ACTION forces pb_ee1 to give Lonny` a big kiss on the lips |
| 12:56.51 | zenzio | you have much to learn, young padawan |
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| 13:04.39 | Lyn | how can i format a number which is 0-59 always be 2 digits long? like 00, 01, 02.. and not 0, 1, 2, .. ? |
| 13:05.26 | haste | lua> string.format('%02i', 3) |
| 13:05.26 | lua_bot | haste: 03 |
| 13:05.35 | alestane | That. |
| 13:05.37 | Lyn | thanks |
| 13:10.39 | Fisker- | haste |
| 13:10.44 | Fisker- | what if i want 100 digits? |
| 13:12.11 | haste | guess |
| 13:13.50 | Cide | fyi |
| 13:13.53 | Cide | %02d > %02i |
| 13:17.14 | alestane | Why do you say that? The first reference I found claims they're synonyms. |
| 13:19.42 | Fisker- | because Cide is always right |
| 13:19.56 | Fisker- | lua> string.format('%100i', 3) |
| 13:19.56 | lua_bot | Fisker-: luabot:1: invalid format (width or precision too long) |
| 13:19.57 | Cide | they are indeed synonyms |
| 13:19.58 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 13:19.59 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:20.04 | Cide | but 'd' is indeed superior to 'i' |
| 13:20.41 | Lyn | lua> string.format('%0100i', 3) |
| 13:20.42 | lua_bot | Lyn: luabot:1: invalid format (width or precision too long) |
| 13:20.47 | Lyn | xD |
| 13:20.53 | Cide | stop wasting precious bandwidth |
| 13:20.57 | alestane | Well, I suppose it could be argued that it tells more about the desired format. |
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| 13:22.13 | Fisker- | haste you LIED TO ME |
| 13:22.28 | Fisker- | *drama tiems* |
| 13:23.14 | Fisker- | i has annoyance |
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| 14:14.04 | cladhaire | 1500 +healing for pvp healing.. is that a lot or not? |
| 14:14.10 | Josh_Borke | not |
| 14:14.11 | Josh_Borke | you suck |
| 14:14.16 | Josh_Borke | you should just give me your account now |
| 14:14.23 | cladhaire | k k |
| 14:14.32 | cladhaire | josh wants to chinese farm for me |
| 14:15.04 | cladhaire | no srsly |
| 14:15.18 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:15.20 | Josh_Borke | :-P |
| 14:15.29 | Josh_Borke | i don't have enough time to play myself :-P |
| 14:16.02 | zenzelezz | that sentence would be much more fun with a cleverly placed "with" |
| 14:16.50 | Josh_Borke | s/myself/with myself/ |
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| 14:23.50 | cladhaire | I don't know why I even bother asking questions in #elitistjerks, especially with my current gear/level |
| 14:23.53 | cladhaire | oh well |
| 14:24.15 | cbreak | is there a #nonelitistfriendlypeople? |
| 14:24.31 | cladhaire | here? |
| 14:24.32 | cladhaire | lol |
| 14:24.45 | cbreak | nope, no such channel :( |
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| 14:25.59 | zenzelezz | #elitistsweethearts |
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| 14:30.44 | ReAn | with wow fonts, i can inclide a .ttf in my project and link to it if i wanna use a custom font? |
| 14:30.50 | ReAn | i.e. |
| 14:31.24 | ReAn | :SetFont("Interface\AddOns\MyMod\Fonts\Fnt.ttf", 20); ?? or am i dreaming |
| 14:32.13 | Stanzilla | :SetFont("Interface\\AddOns\\MyMod\\Fonts\\Fnt.ttf", 20) |
| 14:33.54 | ReAn | cool |
| 14:35.13 | haste | you can do :SetFont([[Interface\AddOns\MyMod\Fonts\Fnt.ttf]], 20) -- ofc |
| 14:36.24 | wereHamster | ReAn: backslashes have a special meaning in strings, for example \n means a newline character. That's why you have to 'escape' the backslashes (as well as other special characters in strings) |
| 14:36.45 | wereHamster | read http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html -> 2.1 - Lexical Conventions |
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| 14:40.09 | cbreak | I wonder if propper forward slashes work |
| 14:40.31 | wereHamster | you mean '/' ? |
| 14:40.54 | cbreak | yes |
| 14:41.11 | cbreak | windows is the only os that uses back slashes as path seperator which I know of. |
| 14:41.16 | wereHamster | why wouldn't it work? |
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| 14:41.45 | cbreak | maybe the engine expects back slashes on all platforms |
| 14:41.48 | wereHamster | or do you mean using it as the directory separator? |
| 14:41.52 | cbreak | yes |
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| 14:42.21 | wereHamster | ipod firmware uses ':' |
| 14:42.34 | cbreak | that's because mac os uses : |
| 14:42.44 | cbreak | on an internal level |
| 14:42.56 | cbreak | in the shell, / is used |
| 14:43.12 | wereHamster | I think wow replaces back-/forward slashes with the correct directory separator at runtime |
| 14:43.41 | cbreak | that would make sense. especially since it handles some of those paths internally from their mpq files |
| 14:43.57 | cbreak | so it can't always rely on the OS anyway |
| 14:44.00 | wereHamster | aren't forward slashes forbidden in file/directory names on windows? |
| 14:44.27 | wereHamster | hm. maybe not |
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| 15:37.55 | |pez| | ~ugt |
| 15:37.55 | purl | methinks ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 15:43.39 | Neuro_Medivh | ~breakfast |
| 15:43.40 | purl | breakfast is probably the most important meal of the day! |
| 15:43.46 | Neuro_Medivh | damn skippy |
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| 15:46.48 | cog|work | processed PB 4tl |
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| 16:08.20 | Anaral | WTB way to copy/paste text from paper book to text editor on computer. >.< |
| 16:08.40 | Anaral | I love wowprogramming, wish it came with a CD of all their examples though. :D |
| 16:08.51 | [SW]Dodge | scan it and OCR it :P |
| 16:09.23 | Anaral | If I knew what OCR stood for, and if it wouldn't take longer than hand typing it out, I might. :p |
| 16:09.48 | Drayeah | I think you can download the examples from the website |
| 16:10.00 | [SW]Dodge | Anaral: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition |
| 16:10.49 | [SW]Dodge | it "scans" a image for text and gets the text that you can copy/past it or do what ever you want :P |
| 16:11.33 | Anaral | Thanks Drayeah, forgot about the chapters section of wowprogramming.com |
| 16:11.33 | purl | de nada, Anaral |
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| 16:14.09 | Anaral | cladhaire: I get this error when trying to register at wowprogramming.com http://www.pastey.net/95458 |
| 16:14.48 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 16:14.53 | cladhaire | i'll take a look at it, thanks for the report |
| 16:15.23 | Anaral | hmm, might have been my browser, first time didn't have the 'I'm a Human' check. |
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| 16:15.41 | cladhaire | ah that would have been it then |
| 16:15.45 | cladhaire | captcha required :P |
| 16:16.03 | cladhaire | and its pulled in via javascript, so noscript would prevent it from working |
| 16:17.31 | Anaral | But when I press the back button it shows up... without editing my noscript permissions... especially since I think wowprog has permission. |
| 16:17.39 | cladhaire | heh weird |
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| 16:17.56 | Lunessa | ... station. |
| 16:20.08 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Lunessa. *hugs* |
| 16:20.19 | cladhaire | i'll look at the error either way |
| 16:20.34 | Lunessa | It's morning, but I'm not sure /good/ is a word I'd use. *hugs* |
| 16:21.12 | Anaral | cladhaire: Are example addons not on the Chapters page of the site or am I blind? |
| 16:21.14 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry love. First week of classes sucks donkey donuts. |
| 16:21.25 | cladhaire | they are on the individual chapters |
| 16:21.30 | cladhaire | or they've been left off, and you shoudl notify us |
| 16:23.02 | Anaral | I'm blind. |
| 16:23.03 | Anaral | :D |
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| 16:24.02 | ReAn | is there some magic trick you have to do to allow your EditBox widgets to use a mouse to select the text in them? |
| 16:24.11 | Lunessa | They always said that would happen. Now we have proof... |
| 16:25.07 | cbreak | ReAn: there's something about the alt key in the settings I think. |
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| 16:25.42 | ReAn | nothing i do seems to let me select text with my mouse |
| 16:25.48 | ReAn | i can use shift + arrow keys |
| 16:25.52 | ReAn | but not the mouse |
| 16:26.00 | ReAn | and :EnableMouse(true); was called on it |
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| 16:27.35 | [SW]Dodge | ReAn: i'm not sure but i think you need to also call :RegsiterForClick or how the function is called |
| 16:27.38 | [SW]Dodge | wait 1 sek |
| 16:28.32 | [SW]Dodge | ah it seems it is only for dragging |
| 16:28.37 | ReAn | ?? |
| 16:28.47 | ReAn | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Button_RegisterForClicks <--- seems it's button specific |
| 16:29.12 | Slakah1 | you tried :SetAltArrowKeyMode(false) ? |
| 16:30.40 | [SW]Dodge | ReAn: do you have a :SetScript() for OnClick ? |
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| 16:30.59 | ReAn | nope |
| 16:31.06 | ReAn | just OnEnterPressed atm |
| 16:31.18 | [SW]Dodge | like: yourframe:SetScript("OnClick", your_function_for_handling_clicks |
| 16:31.26 | [SW]Dodge | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnClick <- |
| 16:31.44 | ReAn | so i have to write the code to make the mouse select text in an edit box? |
| 16:31.47 | ReAn | that sounds odd |
| 16:31.59 | ReAn | since every other edit box in the game seems to have this functionality |
| 16:32.31 | ReAn | hrm |
| 16:32.35 | ReAn | i dunno what i did |
| 16:32.38 | ReAn | but it seems to work now |
| 16:32.40 | ReAn | lol |
| 16:32.51 | [SW]Dodge | ah didnt see that you talking about a edit box <.< |
| 16:33.06 | cbreak | just alt-z to see what you changed :) |
| 16:33.49 | ReAn | whee, time to program in the last feature of this first iteration of my mod :D |
| 16:34.52 | ReAn | anyone know if the Minor Version # in LibStub's :NewLibrary(...) has to be a number? |
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| 16:36.33 | wereHamster | ReAn: did you look at the EditBox page on wowwiki whether there is a special flag you need to set? |
| 16:37.05 | [SW]Dodge | ReAn: no, you can use a string |
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| 16:37.37 | ReAn | wereHamster: i looked on the wiki, there was no indication at all |
| 16:37.42 | [SW]Dodge | ReAn: i least i did for my LubStub'ed version of Deformat :D |
| 16:37.43 | ReAn | i think i changed something about focus |
| 16:37.45 | ReAn | and it worked |
| 16:38.39 | ReAn | im just for now putting @project-revision@ into it and gonna have cf's svn replace it when packaging |
| 16:39.07 | ReAn | just wanna know if it's gonna blow up my version or one checked out from the repo |
| 16:41.49 | [SW]Dodge | ReAn: local MINOR_VERSION = "$Revision: 75352 $" <- thats my minor passed to LibStub |
| 16:42.15 | ReAn | coolies |
| 16:42.24 | ReAn | i just wonder is @ is > than a number |
| 16:42.45 | wereHamster | LibStub probably gmatches("%d") |
| 16:42.59 | Cide | gmatch? |
| 16:43.07 | Adys_ | What's the Unit function to get the mana type of a target? focus/rage/energy/mana/... |
| 16:43.08 | ReAn | regex matching |
| 16:43.10 | wereHamster | or gfind? |
| 16:43.11 | Adys_ | cant find it :( |
| 16:43.19 | ReAn | my question is |
| 16:43.20 | Cide | ReAn: I'm not that stupid, thanks though |
| 16:43.29 | Cide | I'm asking, why use gmatch or gfind over just match? |
| 16:43.30 | ReAn | @project-revision@ > r6000 ? |
| 16:43.42 | Cide | what? |
| 16:43.45 | [SW]Dodge | ReAn: tonumber(strmatch(minor, "%d+")) <- thats what :NewLibrary does with minor ^^ |
| 16:43.57 | Cide | >>> "@project-revision@" > "r6000" |
| 16:43.58 | Cide | Cide: false |
| 16:44.13 | wereHamster | >>> "@project-revision@" < "r6000" |
| 16:44.14 | Cide | wereHamster: true |
| 16:44.21 | Cide | you're late |
| 16:44.42 | Cide | like I said, match :) |
| 16:44.50 | wereHamster | I wanted to see if it returns true or false again |
| 16:45.01 | Cide | why would it return anything else? |
| 16:45.30 | wereHamster | why wouldn't it? |
| 16:45.46 | Cide | it compares string.byte(c), and string.byte("@") is obviously ~= string.byte("r") |
| 16:45.46 | ReAn | [SW]dodge: danm, i ran that code against "@project-revision@" and it returned nil |
| 16:46.04 | Cide | ReAn: obviously. there's no number in "@project-revision@" |
| 16:46.11 | ReAn | well yea |
| 16:46.14 | wereHamster | it could just as well compare the pointers or return a random boolean variable |
| 16:46.16 | ReAn | which poses me a problem |
| 16:46.52 | Cide | wereHamster: if you're being stupid about it, sure. if you knew what lua does when comparing strings with ><, not so sure |
| 16:47.06 | wereHamster | I didn't know string comparison used string.byte() |
| 16:47.08 | [SW]Dodge | ReAn: doesnt update the cf svn @project-revision@ to "@project-revision 1234@" for example after a commit/checkout like it happens on wowace svn with $Revision$ ? |
| 16:47.22 | Cide | it doesn't literally use string.byte() I'm sure, but the same principle anyway (as most languages do) |
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| 16:48.16 | ReAn | [SW]Dodge: i can check, one sec |
| 16:48.34 | nevcairiel | [SW]Dodge: not on checkouts, only on .zip creation |
| 16:48.44 | wereHamster | >>> string.byte("@"), string.byte("r") |
| 16:48.45 | Cide | wereHamster: 64, 114 |
| 16:48.45 | nevcairiel | $Revision$ is a SVN feature |
| 16:48.47 | nevcairiel | you cannot change those |
| 16:49.13 | Anaral | Hmm, TagetText is broken in wrath. |
| 16:49.26 | ReAn | well [SW]Dodge, i did some testing, i think i know what i have to do |
| 16:49.45 | ReAn | the point i want to make here is, the version that's checked out should always override a version that was packaged |
| 16:49.50 | ReAn | i.e. the development version |
| 16:50.11 | ReAn | i wanna use @project-revision@ so that it's representative and this way it wont get fucked up on tag names |
| 16:50.25 | ReAn | lua> print (tonumber(string.match("@project-revision@ 9999999", "%d+"))) |
| 16:50.25 | lua_bot | ReAn: 9999999 |
| 16:50.34 | ReAn | that seems to be the logical solution |
| 16:50.36 | ReAn | because: |
| 16:50.47 | ReAn | lua> print (tonumber(string.match("1 9999999", "%d+"))) |
| 16:50.47 | lua_bot | ReAn: 1 |
| 16:51.07 | ReAn | does that seem right to you? |
| 16:51.15 | wereHamster | it does to me |
| 16:51.20 | Cide | it's, of course, perfectly correct |
| 16:51.31 | ReAn | excelent |
| 16:51.35 | ReAn | then that's what i will do |
| 16:51.54 | Cide | I only commented on the code and the fact that it returned 1 |
| 16:52.00 | Cide | your design seems like a hack at best |
| 16:52.34 | Lunessa | Cide: Kludge is the word I'd have used. |
| 16:52.52 | Gnarfoz | Seerah|away: meh~ :D |
| 16:53.10 | Lunessa | Not that without looking I could have offered a better way... *ducks* |
| 16:53.17 | Cide | Lunessa: that's probably a better term |
| 16:53.40 | Cide | I don't feel like thinking either, but spotting bad design is pretty easy usually |
| 16:54.12 | Lunessa | ./agree |
| 16:54.19 | wereHamster | ~agree |
| 16:54.24 | purl | ACTION nods his head |
| 16:55.28 | Lunessa | purl has changed genders... AGAIN |
| 16:56.19 | cbreak | ~sigh |
| 16:56.19 | purl | *sigh* |
| 16:56.35 | wereHamster | ~agree |
| 16:56.36 | purl | ACTION nods her head |
| 16:56.42 | wereHamster | there, better? |
| 16:56.51 | Cide | bah, I was just about to do that |
| 16:57.05 | Lunessa | ~cookie wereHamster |
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| 17:10.27 | Lunessa | Bouvi: My brother has one. He was HANDED his by a friend who bought a single pack of cards "to see what they looked like". |
| 17:11.13 | Bouvi | Nice. I thought you could only get them in the Europe event. |
| 17:11.34 | NeoTron | afaik it's only for the event |
| 17:13.16 | Lunessa | Hrmm... did he dissemble? I will have to punish him. |
| 17:13.35 | Anaral | Okay, good to know, for anything more than chatting, my computer can not handle dual boxing. |
| 17:14.24 | Lunessa | Anaral: Did you drop the settings from the second copy to minimums? |
| 17:14.35 | Anaral | Yeah. |
| 17:15.05 | Anaral | It's all right, don't need to dual box, was just trying to test something. |
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| 17:19.19 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1 ? |
| 17:19.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 17:19.54 | Maldivia | server shutdown :) |
| 17:19.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Not online :) |
| 17:20.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sitting in class |
| 17:22.10 | Thunder_Child | and paying attention as usual ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:22.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "this is binary" |
| 17:22.36 | ScytheBlade1 | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 17:22.50 | ScytheBlade1 | "How do we represent analog data as digital data?" |
| 17:22.50 | Thunder_Child | so you eaither know it or you dont? |
| 17:22.51 | ScytheBlade1 | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 17:23.18 | Maldivia | sb1: you have access to your server if I find the patch? |
| 17:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, is it patch day? |
| 17:23.36 | Maldivia | if there is a patch that is |
| 17:23.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I IRC through my server |
| 17:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | So yes |
| 17:23.49 | Maldivia | well, they just announced a server shutdown, so |
| 17:23.54 | Maldivia | 7 min and counting |
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| 17:24.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd be able to throw it together, yeah |
| 17:24.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a free hour in about... 2 minutes |
| 17:24.34 | ScytheBlade1 | But after that it'll be a while |
| 17:24.39 | Maldivia | :) |
| 17:25.46 | Duman | well then |
| 17:25.55 | Duman | new build incoming today |
| 17:25.57 | Duman | (I assume) |
| 17:26.21 | Lunessa | Good thing I made 80 yesterday then. |
| 17:26.51 | Duman | hacker |
| 17:26.59 | Duman | I'm sad they opened up premades already |
| 17:27.07 | ScytheBlade1 | They did? |
| 17:27.09 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 17:27.49 | Maldivia | thought theysaid premades had their own server |
| 17:28.06 | Duman | that's what they said earlier, yes |
| 17:28.14 | Duman | but the char copy page has premades open |
| 17:28.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, PTR or Beta char copy page? |
| 17:28.46 | Duman | beta |
| 17:28.54 | ScytheBlade1 | 13:27 < ScytheBlade1> =[ |
| 17:29.30 | Anaral | But they're for PvP premades. |
| 17:29.47 | Lunessa | I was ablw to make a level 80 DK using "premade" last night. |
| 17:29.51 | torokokill | when i went on beta last night on a friend's account |
| 17:30.05 | torokokill | premade alliance were raiding thrallmar and killing all the quest npcs |
| 17:30.47 | ScytheBlade1 | How much gold do they start with? |
| 17:31.11 | Lunessa | 5k |
| 17:31.31 | Lunessa | And a pretty decent set of pvp gear. |
| 17:32.28 | Lunessa | But no talents spent. And first aid is maxxed, but no recipes. Just lots of reagents for spells and a crap ton of bandages. |
| 17:32.50 | Lunessa | You'll also be missing any items which come as a result of a quest, like Ebon Gate, etc. |
| 17:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | classy |
| 17:33.03 | Duman | hmm, I wonder if this really is a non-patch... and just maint |
| 17:33.05 | Duman | that would make me sad |
| 17:33.14 | ScytheBlade1 | afk moving |
| 17:33.18 | Duman | maybe they effed up and there weren't supposed to be premades, so they are wiping them ;-) |
| 17:33.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: if a patch hits ping me and I'll get working |
| 17:33.41 | ScytheBlade1 | *bit |
| 17:33.45 | Duman | later sbo |
| 17:33.49 | Lunessa | For giggles, I took an 80 DK into Stratholme and pulled the first three groups all at once. |
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| 17:35.19 | NeoTron | so they are nerfing DK's |
| 17:35.22 | NeoTron | which is expected and fair |
| 17:35.49 | Dashkal | Glad I'm still blood :p |
| 17:35.55 | NeoTron | I am wondering if it means I'll want to go back to frost again. I sort of prefer frost rotation to unholy although unholy blight is too much fun |
| 17:35.57 | Dashkal | I never did get used to frost or unholy |
| 17:35.59 | NeoTron | blood is lame though |
| 17:36.07 | NeoTron | I heal myself better as unholy.. |
| 17:36.14 | Dashkal | that's getting nerfed |
| 17:36.17 | Duman | deathstrike is changing |
| 17:36.23 | NeoTron | I'd expect it to |
| 17:36.25 | Dashkal | They're changing the disease scaling mechanic |
| 17:36.31 | NeoTron | but blood is kind of bad overall |
| 17:36.36 | Duman | howso? |
| 17:36.40 | NeoTron | I mean the healing part just isn't really there anymore |
| 17:36.44 | NeoTron | not enough to really matter |
| 17:36.55 | Dashkal | While leveling, I disagree. My HP stays at full on blood |
| 17:37.11 | Duman | heart strike is super-powerful against NPCs, too |
| 17:37.12 | NeoTron | thing is with unholy I can pull 5-6 mobs (nto even using scourge strike) |
| 17:37.15 | Duman | (casters) |
| 17:37.25 | Lunessa | I was mostly Unholy. The damned disease from the Ghouls damned near got me. I should have snagged food from a vendor before going in there. |
| 17:37.41 | Dashkal | Comparing to unholy isn't at all fair atm. The spec is too high overall, not just the broken SS |
| 17:37.55 | Duman | lunessa: I thought that disease prevented any health regen at all? |
| 17:37.58 | Dashkal | I specced SS for a fight just to see the pretty crits, but I still love my blood rotation |
| 17:37.59 | Duman | (even from eating) |
| 17:38.33 | Duman | dashkal: word, I've been blood for the majority of my DK's life |
| 17:38.45 | Duman | I mean, i've tried the other specs, but blood has always felt the most "stable" |
| 17:38.52 | Lunessa | Duman - not from bandages or other effects, and eating while in Dalaran seemed to be working. |
| 17:38.53 | Dashkal | My eventual goal is to be a blood tank. I just like the feel |
| 17:39.13 | Dashkal | I'm always tanking for the impromptu groups for quests |
| 17:39.15 | Duman | lunessa: Ahh, maybe they fixed it... it used to block health gains from eating, too |
| 17:39.17 | NeoTron | I started as blood but I really liked frost rotations |
| 17:39.39 | NeoTron | blood is primarily single target dps/tank |
| 17:39.42 | Duman | dashkal: I tanked nexus a couple of times as blood, not bad :) |
| 17:39.42 | Dashkal | I flirted with frost last night, but I couldn't find a rotation that didn't leave me eating between every fight |
| 17:39.48 | NeoTron | at least that's my feeling |
| 17:39.59 | Dashkal | Actually, I AOE grind as blood pretty often |
| 17:40.03 | NeoTron | Dashkal: never had that issue. Bandages are nice too |
| 17:40.14 | Lunessa | I want to do 75-80 on my second shaman copy as resto. So hit me up in-game if you need a healer. |
| 17:40.19 | Duman | bandages are still downtime ;) |
| 17:40.24 | Duman | I end every fight at 90+ health |
| 17:40.27 | Duman | 90% |
| 17:40.28 | Dashkal | ^^^ |
| 17:40.32 | Dashkal | That's why I love blood so much |
| 17:40.33 | NeoTron | I was like you |
| 17:40.36 | Dashkal | I just don't stop |
| 17:40.37 | NeoTron | until I tried frost |
| 17:40.48 | kd3 | whee bored |
| 17:40.49 | NeoTron | it might be that this balance pass will change things around |
| 17:40.58 | kd3 | ick |
| 17:41.02 | Dashkal | HS is critting beautifully right now. I'll miss that but at least Oblit will stop sucking so much next build |
| 17:41.05 | NeoTron | but the increased speed of things dying made up for occasional, but not very often, healing myself |
| 17:41.27 | NeoTron | the beauty is that all specs work |
| 17:41.42 | Dashkal | This is unfair since I hadn't settled into the rotation yet, but I was healing after every single flight. My self-healing was pretty much useless. |
| 17:41.58 | Dashkal | Frost lasted about four fights before I hit death gate and 'fixed' myself |
| 17:42.13 | Duman | I don't think I've used Oblit since it was removed from MoM |
| 17:42.21 | Duman | MAYBE once or twice to finish a mob off |
| 17:42.40 | Dashkal | I still use oblit when I'm at full health. It still does more than IT/PS or DS |
| 17:42.53 | Duman | or against disease-immune mobs, I'll Oblit/Oblit instead of IT/PS |
| 17:43.01 | Dashkal | With one less GCD than IT/PS for an extra deathcoil |
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| 17:43.13 | Duman | dash: you grinding in blood or unholy presence? |
| 17:43.16 | Dashkal | blood |
| 17:43.18 | Duman | ahh |
| 17:43.21 | Duman | I use unholy |
| 17:43.25 | Dashkal | actually, often frost |
| 17:43.25 | Duman | the 1s GCD is ridiculous |
| 17:43.44 | Dashkal | then I'm not even hitting death strike. the passive healing can keep up |
| 17:43.56 | Lyn | i love the +15% dmg bonus :O |
| 17:43.59 | Duman | I'll generall IT/PS/HS/HS/DC and then wait a swing or two, tossing in Rune Strikes |
| 17:44.12 | Duman | since everything is on cooldown ;) |
| 17:44.21 | Dashkal | hrm, thinking on that, that might not be such a good thing. I'm in a DPS spec and I just don't take damage in frost presence, saving all my GCDs for doing damage |
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| 17:44.41 | Duman | heh |
| 17:44.46 | Dashkal | I'm brutal in single target combat, and I can AOE with little difficulty |
| 17:44.49 | Duman | try playing in unholy a couple times |
| 17:44.53 | Dashkal | I do |
| 17:44.55 | Duman | ahh k |
| 17:45.13 | NeoTron | I did a DPS test on the dummies |
| 17:45.13 | Dashkal | Anything I can drop in a single rotation I go unholy for, or if I'm doing something that requires mobility |
| 17:45.19 | NeoTron | Blood actually was higher DPS than unholy |
| 17:45.23 | NeoTron | which surprised me |
| 17:45.40 | NeoTron | I guess the 15% extra dmg > 15% haste + 1s GCD (at least for unholy) |
| 17:45.45 | Dashkal | NeoTron: presence? Of course. Faster attack speed doesn't help your yellow damage |
| 17:46.04 | Duman | unholy is a huge increase in burst tho, of course |
| 17:46.04 | NeoTron | not quite sure what the point of unholy prescense is |
| 17:46.05 | Dashkal | And you only have so much RP to use in the extra GCDs as unholy |
| 17:46.09 | NeoTron | if blood is better dps AND heals you |
| 17:46.10 | Dashkal | burst |
| 17:46.13 | Dashkal | mobility |
| 17:46.19 | Duman | well, I have necrosis and BCB, so my faster swing helps more than a full blood |
| 17:46.25 | NeoTron | but that rarely matters |
| 17:46.30 | Dashkal | PvP |
| 17:46.35 | NeoTron | oh ok |
| 17:46.37 | NeoTron | fair enough |
| 17:46.43 | NeoTron | I don't really pvp historically |
| 17:46.45 | NeoTron | makes sense then |
| 17:46.55 | Dashkal | Burst and mobility are everything there. In PvE I use it mostly for quick smackdown of single rotation mobs |
| 17:47.04 | Duman | ^^ |
| 17:47.08 | Dashkal | kill, move to next, kill, move to next, etc |
| 17:47.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay that was incredibly depressing. |
| 17:47.43 | Duman | sbo? |
| 17:47.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Walking over to the food court, I hear this vauge high pitched noise |
| 17:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Get closer |
| 17:47.53 | ScytheBlade1 | See a fire truck pull up |
| 17:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Notice the flashing fire alarms in the building |
| 17:48.02 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.05 | ScytheBlade1 | No food =[ |
| 17:48.07 | NeoTron | and get no lunch |
| 17:48.07 | smcn | it really bugs me that there hasn't been a blue post re: premades |
| 17:48.08 | NeoTron | bummer |
| 17:48.18 | Duman | aha |
| 17:48.27 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: ouch, not fun |
| 17:48.39 | NeoTron | lol wtf => Frost Strike (Tier 9) runic power cost increased to 40 (Previously was 50) |
| 17:48.43 | ScytheBlade1 | If only, heh. |
| 17:48.50 | NeoTron | nice wording! increased to 40 from 50 ftw |
| 17:49.11 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: copy/paste job, imo. ;) |
| 17:49.20 | Maldivia | NeoTron: and considering it's been 40 since 8885 (ie a week) it's old news |
| 17:49.25 | Syzgyn | Do we know how long the beta servers are down for? |
| 17:49.27 | Duman | wha |
| 17:49.28 | Duman | whoa |
| 17:49.30 | Seerah|away | (11:52:47 AM) Gnarfoz: Seerah|away: meh~ :D <--- huh? |
| 17:49.32 | Maldivia | Syzgyn: 6 hours |
| 17:49.32 | Duman | new pvP server |
| 17:49.33 | Duman | http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4489/picture1hz8.png |
| 17:49.36 | Dashkal | A number of those changes were old news |
| 17:49.40 | Duman | I think the maint is to move all the permades there |
| 17:49.41 | NightHawkAtWork | Are we getting a new build today? |
| 17:49.43 | Maldivia | almost all of them |
| 17:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ premade name |
| 17:49.58 | smcn | wait, ...what NightHawkAtWork said |
| 17:50.02 | NeoTron | Maldivia: indeed |
| 17:50.05 | Maldivia | night hawk: servers went down for 6hour maintenance 15 mins ago |
| 17:50.10 | Dashkal | Duman: I hope so. They were supposed to keep premades off of our leveling servers |
| 17:50.14 | Syzgyn | oh fuck I just missed it? |
| 17:50.15 | NightHawkAtWork | that does not answer my question, though. ;) |
| 17:50.17 | Syzgyn | Damn |
| 17:50.21 | Maldivia | NightHawk: no confirmation of patch yet, as usual |
| 17:50.35 | NeoTron | Dashkal: that's too late already |
| 17:50.40 | NightHawkAtWork | Although, if they havn't said they're pushing out a build, they probably wont be. |
| 17:50.45 | Maldivia | NightHawk: I'll tell you when I find the patch, if it's today or now :) |
| 17:50.47 | Maldivia | not* |
| 17:50.55 | smcn | i'm sure the premades can easily be deleted |
| 17:50.56 | Maldivia | they didn't say for 8885 |
| 17:51.01 | smcn | and very well may be during maintenance |
| 17:51.11 | Duman | dashkal: yeah |
| 17:51.13 | Dashkal | NeoTron: well, it isn't so bad on Northrend. It'll make lich king utterly useless for leveling, though. |
| 17:51.28 | NeoTron | which is why I play on northrend |
| 17:51.32 | Dashkal | if they just move the premades on LK to the new server, that's fine |
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| 17:51.51 | NeoTron | I can understand ppl liking pvp ... but for testing content that'd be so frustrating :P |
| 17:51.57 | Syzgyn | Blue sez maintenance |
| 17:51.58 | Dashkal | *shudders* |
| 17:52.07 | Dashkal | I want to give feedback, not stare at the spirit healer |
| 17:52.17 | Dashkal | I am _not_ looking forward to going back to failstrom after this |
| 17:52.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Good... I don't like the idea of leaving my server unattended for an hour as I take the lightrail home :P |
| 17:52.22 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: world pvp really serves no purpose anymore :p |
| 17:52.48 | Dashkal | Actually, I love world pvp. on pve servers :p |
| 17:53.00 | Dashkal | XR and Southshore |
| 17:53.01 | Duman | hehe |
| 17:53.14 | Duman | dont' see much SS/TM these days tho |
| 17:53.23 | Duman | or XR |
| 17:53.23 | kd3 | ss/tm was great when it wasn't crashing the server |
| 17:53.31 | Dashkal | Not really. NHAW is right, there's no incentive for it |
| 17:53.41 | Dashkal | It's terrible honor per hour |
| 17:53.52 | NightHawkAtWork | the only thing it does is make the people trying to -play- the game miserable. |
| 17:53.53 | Duman | at least they removed DK DR |
| 17:53.57 | Duman | err HK DR |
| 17:53.58 | Duman | heh |
| 17:54.10 | Duman | well, and removed DKs ;) |
| 17:54.13 | Dashkal | It'll never happen, but I still wish that PvP meant level restrictions on attacking |
| 17:54.23 | Dashkal | No killing greys |
| 17:54.47 | Duman | that only becomes dangerous because you can be "reverse-griefed" unless you also say "no killing ?? targets" |
| 17:54.52 | Dashkal | For me it'll be "Welcome to Hellfire! Now a tun of bored S4 70s are going to corpse-hump you!" |
| 17:54.59 | NightHawkAtWork | Duman: which is why it hasn't been done |
| 17:55.13 | AckisWork | which is better: foo(array) do stuff OR foo() do stuff return array |
| 17:56.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Just had a guildie /gquit, taking an 8k gold loan from another guildie and 10 gems from the guild bank |
| 17:56.39 | Duman | awesome |
| 17:56.43 | Dashkal | report him for guild theft? |
| 17:56.46 | Duman | they'll probably change their name, too |
| 17:56.56 | ScytheBlade1 | He was given the gems by the GM, who is the only one with withdraw access |
| 17:57.00 | Dashkal | ahh |
| 17:57.00 | wereHamster | ScytheBlade1: aren't you supposed to be in school? |
| 17:57.02 | Dashkal | no dice then |
| 17:57.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It was "I know I'm leaving but I won't mention that" |
| 17:57.06 | smcn | neither a borrower nor a lender be |
| 17:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | "Hey could I get a few?" |
| 17:57.10 | Dashkal | dick move, but yeah |
| 17:57.22 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster: I had a lunch hour, that building is currently occupied by the fire department |
| 17:57.24 | NightHawkAtWork | smcn: wise words indeed. |
| 17:57.29 | Duman | can't do much against assholes |
| 17:57.35 | Duman | other than try to get them blacklisted |
| 17:57.38 | ScytheBlade1 | So here I sit on the wifi. |
| 17:57.41 | Duman | but again, name changes = sigh |
| 17:57.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh, he went to the guild one above us |
| 17:57.56 | Duman | (for that scenario) |
| 17:57.59 | Duman | lol really? |
| 17:58.02 | Duman | let their GM know :P |
| 17:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Who has leeched a good 10 people from us over the past months |
| 17:58.07 | wereHamster | ScytheBlade1: yeah, I heard that. And yet you have nothing better to do then talking about WoW ... |
| 17:58.10 | Duman | oh they probabyl odn't care then |
| 17:58.11 | Duman | sigh |
| 17:58.11 | ScytheBlade1 | No, their GM is the reason |
| 17:58.17 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster: I did my homework like a good boy :P |
| 17:58.18 | Lunessa | Asshats are asshats. You might mention it to any guild he xfers to... |
| 17:58.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: unless he fits in perfectly with that guild ;) |
| 17:58.40 | Duman | I miss homework |
| 17:58.41 | Duman | ok, not really |
| 17:58.43 | ScytheBlade1 | For that very reason. |
| 17:58.57 | Lunessa | Ah. I like congregations of asshats. It means I don't have to deal with them. |
| 17:59.03 | Duman | hahah! |
| 17:59.15 | Duman | lunessa: especially when they are all neatly identified by <Asshats> ! |
| 17:59.17 | ScytheBlade1 | More or less. |
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| 17:59.31 | Lunessa | Precisely. |
| 17:59.32 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: just noticed (or: noticed then ;) that cargExplorer can't really access achievement data on live (where I want to "pre-achieve" some things ;)) |
| 17:59.43 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 17:59.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It just get frustrating when the sole reason you haven't seen Illidan die is because another guild took all of your healers and a few DPS, so they could see more Sunwell. |
| 17:59.51 | Shirik | rawur |
| 17:59.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:00.27 | Seerah | Gnarfoz: that's because there is no achievement system on live, and why I said (and the cargExplorer2 description says) that there is a separate version for live clients ;) |
| 18:00.50 | Syzgyn | Gnarfoz: I used cargExplorer to discover everything, and was only 2 subzones off the achievement. |
| 18:00.51 | wereHamster | oh great. Blizzard doesn't seed their torrents via bittorrent, only via http. So if you're trying to download a less known torrent from them (lets say the full wow installation) you are forced to use their downloader |
| 18:00.55 | Syzgyn | It's pretty accurate |
| 18:01.33 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: pretty obvious, yes. ;) |
| 18:01.33 | Maldivia | wereHamster: yeah, more or less only the most recent torrens have actually torrent backing, the rest is http only |
| 18:01.43 | Seerah | :P |
| 18:01.53 | Gnarfoz | ARGH googleupdate is AIDS |
| 18:01.56 | Syzgyn | ScytheBlade1: My guild spend almost all of last night wiping to Phase 2 Illidan. It was great fun |
| 18:02.00 | wereHamster | Maldivia: why don't they post the http links directy on their homepage?? |
| 18:02.03 | Gnarfoz | it won't fucking disappear |
| 18:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: that sounds awesome. |
| 18:02.26 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster: the HTTP links are in chunks, there is no raw file to get, you'd have to assemble it yourself. |
| 18:02.27 | Maldivia | wereHamster: because the http backend is a pseudo torrent backend, that serves the it in 256kb chunks |
| 18:02.28 | Syzgyn | I had no idea you could die to the same fire so many different ways |
| 18:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 18:02.44 | ScytheBlade1 | "DID NONE OF YOU EVER SEE MOLTEN CORE?" |
| 18:02.48 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 18:03.02 | Lunessa | Hell, or ZG? |
| 18:03.07 | Bouvi | Been there, done that, got a ragnarok t-shirt from his smoldering body. |
| 18:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Or BWL. |
| 18:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Or ZA. |
| 18:03.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean, you think given the YEARS OF EXAMPLES that we've seen, people would understand that fire is bad. |
| 18:03.31 | Syzgyn | Naxx switched it up, it was poison instead of fire |
| 18:03.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: and bT switched it up more, we had blue fire |
| 18:03.44 | kd3 | rofl. sbtalol |
| 18:03.45 | ScytheBlade1 | *BT |
| 18:03.49 | Shirik | oop, gotta run |
| 18:03.49 | Bouvi | Fire bad, tree pretty. Got it |
| 18:03.52 | Shirik | IT coming :D |
| 18:03.52 | Syzgyn | Hyjal has red fire though |
| 18:03.55 | Shirik | Not sure if they like IRC |
| 18:04.00 | Lunessa | When I was raid leading (ha!) one of the first things I would say over vent "Turn off the radio, tv or movies and PAY ATTENTION." |
| 18:04.02 | Syzgyn | ~failrik |
| 18:04.03 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 18:04.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Come on purl |
| 18:04.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 18:04.13 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 18:04.21 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 18:04.32 | Maldivia | Lunessa: When I was raid leading, one of the first things I would say was: "SUNDER FASTER!!" :) |
| 18:04.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ sunder faster |
| 18:04.42 | ScytheBlade1 | win |
| 18:04.44 | Syzgyn | WTB moar threat, PST |
| 18:05.00 | Duman | heh |
| 18:05.10 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb food |
| 18:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 18:05.18 | Duman | hmm yes... almost lunch time |
| 18:05.22 | Maldivia | speaking of food... dinner time :) |
| 18:05.27 | Syzgyn | our dps apparently forgot what threat meters do on illidan |
| 18:05.43 | Syzgyn | and that tanks in full resist gear have terrible threat gen |
| 18:05.44 | Thunder_Child | ~feed ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:05.45 | purl | ACTION offers ScytheBlade1 some horseraddish |
| 18:05.52 | Bouvi | All I heard is "Bouvi, quit pulling aggro", "Bouvi, quit pulling aggro", etc |
| 18:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: we spent a night wiping to Mother. |
| 18:06.12 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 18:06.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: with FULL SR GEAR. |
| 18:06.18 | Syzgyn | Ow. |
| 18:06.46 | Lunessa | Maldivia: We had a guy who would listen to talk radio/sports radio and try to tank. And another guy who tried to watch movies with his kids and raid at the same time. |
| 18:06.55 | Maldivia | Bouvi: hmm... reminds me of once in BWL I pulled aggro wanding one of the mobs that had spell school damage multipliers - can't remember their name right now |
| 18:07.09 | kd3 | oh, I loved those guys |
| 18:07.21 | wereHamster | which mobs were that? |
| 18:07.24 | kd3 | easiest way to get myself killed in BWL... unload on those guys with your main nuke |
| 18:07.27 | Syzgyn | Hah, elemental invasion in winterspring |
| 18:07.38 | kd3 | the drakonid packs in the labs |
| 18:07.55 | Syzgyn | Ace of elements and Stormshroud gloves pattern |
| 18:07.55 | Thunder_Child | "ScytheBlade1: Syzgyn: we spent a night wiping to Mother." this has so many openings |
| 18:08.02 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 18:08.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Soooooooo many openings |
| 18:08.29 | Thunder_Child | did you hear them all during the rair? |
| 18:08.37 | Dashkal | Hopefully only three... |
| 18:08.52 | Lunessa | your minds are full of filth and perversion. I knew I liked you folks for a reason. |
| 18:08.57 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 18:09.00 | Gnarfoz | WMA files |
| 18:09.01 | Gnarfoz | ftl |
| 18:09.03 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, you have no sense of adventure |
| 18:09.08 | Gnarfoz | mom's dvd writer is broken |
| 18:09.18 | Gnarfoz | can't write an audio cd for her with her files |
| 18:09.22 | Gnarfoz | because microsoft says so! |
| 18:09.24 | kd3 | oh... about damn time |
| 18:09.32 | kd3 | they're taking out the forceout rule in the nfl |
| 18:09.51 | NightHawkAtWork | kd3: .. hm, remind me which rule that is? |
| 18:09.57 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: You're probably right there :p |
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| 18:10.34 | kd3 | if a defender intercepts the football near the sidelines, someone from the offence wasn't allowed to push him out of bounds so they wouldn't get the pick |
| 18:11.05 | kd3 | the refs would throw the flag, call forceout, and the other team would get the ball where the receiver went out of bounds |
| 18:11.13 | NightHawkAtWork | ah right. |
| 18:11.16 | Josh_Borke | wow, that rule is retarded |
| 18:11.22 | kd3 | which is why it's gone |
| 18:11.38 | wereHamster | isn't the whole game retarded? /me ducks |
| 18:12.32 | Lunessa | A recently published study finds that people who watch or participate in sport maybe be smarter than those who are otherwise the same but don't. |
| 18:12.52 | Gnarfoz | eh? |
| 18:13.02 | NightHawkAtWork | got a link? |
| 18:13.06 | Thunder_Child | wereHamster, /agreed |
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| 18:13.08 | Lunessa | The study never went to a football game in Ireland... |
| 18:13.09 | Gnarfoz | a study that was recently pulled out of my ass says the contrary |
| 18:13.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, and there's a recently published study that says jumping off of bridges may improve the national IQ. |
| 18:13.16 | Duman | LOL |
| 18:13.20 | Lunessa | I heard in Monday on BBC world news. |
| 18:14.49 | Lunessa | According to the results, sport engages the part of the brain normally associated with forward planning and observation. |
| 18:14.54 | Lunessa | I'll see if I can find it. |
| 18:16.43 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, there has been, but only for strategy games |
| 18:16.55 | NightHawkAtWork | there's already articles that claim mmos can improve intelligence/analytical thinking |
| 18:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | s/Counter-Strike/Age of Empires II/ |
| 18:17.35 | Thunder_Child | though there was a study about the corralation (sp?) of twitch gaming and doctors performing surgery |
| 18:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That is something I'd love to read |
| 18:18.24 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4685909/ |
| 18:18.58 | Lunessa | found a link - http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2008/09/03/finally-a-study-that-shows-playing-and-watching-sports-makes/ |
| 18:19.58 | wereHamster | hm, interesting. Blizzard uses Limilight Networks to seed their files |
| 18:20.32 | wereHamster | the files are seeded through limilight's servers when using the http backend |
| 18:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't they use akami? |
| 18:20.46 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 18:20.48 | ScytheBlade1 | akamai |
| 18:21.02 | wereHamster | http://blizzard.vo.llnwd.net/o116/... |
| 18:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, so they use both |
| 18:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | They commonly use edgesuite.net which is akamai |
| 18:23.06 | wereHamster | no 'edge' in any of my torrent files |
| 18:23.23 | ScytheBlade1 | The beta ones have it |
| 18:26.14 | wereHamster | at least it downloads at a decent speed (800kB/s) |
| 18:26.55 | foxlit | "Whenever I turn, there's nobody behind me. And yet someone is clearly stealing the ketchup. WHY?" |
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| 18:31.18 | Lunessa | Why did you leave, the ketchup on the table? |
| 18:31.53 | foxlit | "I wonder if [Lunessa] is British. I wonder if she sleeps at night" |
| 18:32.13 | Lunessa | I cry when angels deserve to die. |
| 18:32.27 | Lunessa | And I'm a a "he" and very "American" |
| 18:32.43 | Dewin | Has anyone here had any experiences with XP SP3? |
| 18:32.45 | ScytheBlade1 | He's also a compulsive liar. |
| 18:32.58 | Lunessa | ^^ Truth |
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| 18:33.26 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.35 | Dashkal | xkcd is just random to me |
| 18:34.39 | Dashkal | (todays) |
| 18:34.41 | Esamynn | foxlit: that one made me go O_o |
| 18:35.05 | Dewin | when is xkcd not random? |
| 18:35.29 | foxlit | What colour is the morning wind? |
| 18:35.39 | foxlit | s/wind/breeze/ |
| 18:36.25 | Lunessa | "Why does the Sun come up? Or are the stars just pin-holes in the curtain of night? Who knows? What I can tell you is this; Because you are different, men will fear you; try to drive you away." |
| 18:38.03 | foxlit | Shoe Circus. |
| 18:38.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Also win @ http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/9/5/ |
| 18:39.57 | Dewin | lol |
| 18:40.07 | Dewin | <-- was at Penny Arcade Expo over the weekend |
| 18:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I so totally wish :( |
| 18:40.40 | Dewin | http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/9/3/ is a true story -- there was a 'create your own PA strip' panel and they were going to post the winner but the computer it was on was fscked. |
| 18:40.57 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 18:41.10 | Gnarfoz | when I die in raids on live, I get a 1-3s freeze right when it happens, but before I actually see it happen (i.e. I can say on TS: "oops, I'm dead" and then I see the -15421 hit from some boss with random targeted abilities) -- anyone have a clue what that might be? oO |
| 18:41.40 | Dewin | IMHO Scythe, the most interesting part of the expo hall at PAX this year was the PAX 10 games |
| 18:41.51 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: delete Addons and WTF folders, try dying again |
| 18:42.01 | Dewin | well, and the rain slick precipice of darkness ep1, which I bought |
| 18:42.07 | Gnarfoz | yeah uhm not deleting my addons :P |
| 18:42.25 | foxlit | Renaming works just as well, generally |
| 18:42.26 | Dewin | Polarity is fun but short, Audiosurf is addicting as hell. |
| 18:42.42 | foxlit | But chances are your addons/settings are doing something |
| 18:42.58 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I'm trying to point fingers at some addon, but don't know which one :X |
| 18:43.13 | Dewin | I did, however, play Pirates of the Burning Sea for a a "Support Piracy" t-shirt |
| 18:43.22 | Dashkal | confirmed patch: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9657735742-no-patch-this-weekend.html |
| 18:43.22 | foxlit | So disable them in waves and perform a series of raiding suicide :) |
| 18:43.22 | foxlit | s |
| 18:43.31 | Maldivia | ohh, todays patch lowers xp requirements by 10% |
| 18:43.37 | Gnarfoz | obviously that's not a good idea as a raid leader :X |
| 18:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Patch? qq |
| 18:43.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Calc is starting in 10 =[ |
| 18:43.59 | Dewin | live or beta patch? |
| 18:44.03 | Maldivia | beta |
| 18:44.15 | Dewin | poo. heh |
| 18:44.26 | Gnarfoz | no live patches until 3.0, Dewin. ;p |
| 18:44.28 | Dashkal | heh, live 3.0.2 is a long way off :p |
| 18:44.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Here's hoping they don't push it at all until I get home :P |
| 18:44.31 | foxlit | You. do. not. want. a. live. patch. |
| 18:44.40 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, why? |
| 18:44.47 | Dashkal | trust in foxlit |
| 18:44.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 'because' |
| 18:44.56 | Maldivia | live 3.0.2 patch will be out... hmm... start november earliest |
| 18:44.57 | Dewin | This is true, 3.0.x is going to make my addons folder explode. |
| 18:45.01 | Thunder_Child | is not a good answer |
| 18:45.02 | Dashkal | I shudder at the thought of the current 'balance' on live |
| 18:45.16 | Dewin | I need a replacement for Infinibar still, and to my knowledge no bar addon can do what it does. |
| 18:45.24 | foxlit | what does it do? |
| 18:46.04 | Dewin | it can page and have a given button be a pet action on one page and a regular action on another |
| 18:46.39 | Neuro|food | you could do that with any bar mod I would think |
| 18:46.46 | Dewin | so, for instance, shift-1 is tame pet when I don't have a pet, and pet attack (mimicking the regular pet bar) when I do |
| 18:47.20 | Neuro_Medivh | Well, you can mimick that with a simple macro |
| 18:47.21 | Dewin | well, I haven't found a way to do it with any of them besides infinibar |
| 18:47.32 | Dewin | that one you can, but pet skills and autocast not so much |
| 18:47.38 | Neuro_Medivh | yes you can |
| 18:48.00 | Neuro_Medivh | you tell me what you want the button to do, and I can write the macro for it |
| 18:48.38 | Dewin | On left click cast pet action X on right click toggle autocast of pet action X and toggle glowy thingy that shows that autocast is set. :) |
| 18:49.32 | Gnarfoz | Dewin: nevcairiel added new stuff to bt4/wrath branch, did you try that out? ;) |
| 18:49.51 | Neuro_Medivh | here: /cast [button:1] <pet action X>; [button:2] <autocast pet action X> |
| 18:49.56 | nevcairiel | meh dont ping me unless you explain wtf you want :P |
| 18:50.18 | nevcairiel | but no, BT cannot page actions <> pet actions |
| 18:50.22 | Dewin | Neuro: That won't cause the swirly effect |
| 18:50.29 | Dewin | and I'm not in the beta |
| 18:50.36 | Gnarfoz | :X your "or macro text" commit log entry sounded like it could |
| 18:50.37 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, I'll check, but I believe it does actually |
| 18:50.55 | nevcairiel | The "default" action buttons just dont have the auto-cast texture |
| 18:50.56 | nevcairiel | thats just it |
| 18:50.57 | Dewin | If it does, then something was changed a long time ago that I didn't know about. |
| 18:51.16 | Neuro_Medivh | there's a command to turn on auto-pet abilities, lemme find out what it is |
| 18:51.21 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: sure in theory it can page to anything |
| 18:51.31 | Gnarfoz | Neuro_Medivh: it's not supposed to only toggle it |
| 18:51.34 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: but not with the code currently in place |
| 18:51.42 | Gnarfoz | Neuro_Medivh: it's supposed to be a pet action button |
| 18:52.01 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh, it's /petautocaston <action> |
| 18:52.43 | Neuro_Medivh | so the macro would be: /cast [button:1] <Pet Action 1> /petautocaston [button:2] <Pet Autoaction> |
| 18:53.18 | Dewin | hmm |
| 18:53.27 | Dewin | well if I can fake it well enough with macros |
| 18:53.52 | foxlit | Means you can fake it well enough with wrath buttons, too, if you're willing to add that code |
| 18:53.54 | Neuro_Medivh | you can also use /petautocasttoggle |
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| 18:54.39 | Dewin | As long as it shows whether it's on or not I can live with it |
| 18:54.59 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9657735742-no-patch-this-weekend.html |
| 18:56.11 | foxlit | Now, question |
| 18:56.17 | foxlit | Is Arthas Illidan or Kil'Jaeden? |
| 18:56.20 | Maldivia | NeoTron: very mis-leading page name :) |
| 18:56.26 | nevcairiel | foxlit: wut? |
| 18:56.29 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 18:56.30 | Fisker- | well technically he's Illidan |
| 18:56.38 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 18:56.38 | JerleMinara | foxlit: arthas is thrall, duh |
| 18:56.40 | nevcairiel | now i understand =P |
| 18:56.42 | Fisker- | Kil'Jaeden was only patched in because there was too long between expansions |
| 18:56.52 | nevcairiel | Yeah he is like a Illidan |
| 18:56.55 | Fisker- | Arthas is meant to be the last encounter before the new expansion |
| 18:56.57 | foxlit | Fisker-: nah, it makes sense |
| 18:57.02 | Fisker- | also |
| 18:57.08 | foxlit | BC story wouldn't be complete if you ended it at Illidan |
| 18:57.18 | Fisker- | it would if they made it so |
| 18:57.20 | foxlit | "Oh hai, we killed that guy resisting the Burning Crusade. Can we has cookies now?" |
| 18:57.30 | Neuro_Medivh | I want cookies! |
| 18:57.35 | Fisker- | I'm not saying that Kil'Jaeden was out of place |
| 18:57.50 | foxlit | There's no Burning Crusade without him, unfortunately :) |
| 18:57.51 | Fisker- | i'm just saying that he wouldn't have been patched in if they were more close to the 1-expansion-per-year strategy |
| 18:58.23 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.24 | NeoTron | Premades will be removed from "Northrend" and "Lich King" |
| 18:58.24 | NeoTron | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9658135792-murmer.html |
| 18:58.25 | Fisker- | But it also looks like with the new expansion that they are going to make the games like some kind of cliffhanger thingy |
| 18:58.38 | Fisker- | The stuff about sylvanas apparently betraying the horde is probably an end cinematic |
| 18:58.45 | Fisker- | and when you buy the next expansion you find out what happens |
| 18:59.41 | foxlit | Meh, it's been self-contained so far, I don't see any reason for that to chang-- oh. |
| 18:59.48 | foxlit | Fisker- is Fisker-good! |
| 19:00.07 | Fisker- | also suggests that arthas will be yet another npc-intervened kill |
| 19:00.39 | Fisker- | and maybe, just maybe, everyone will be able to take "part" in the kill |
| 19:00.48 | Fisker- | kinda like the isle, just better |
| 19:02.57 | Tekkub | aw no beta servers... we getting a build? |
| 19:03.31 | Neuro_Medivh | yep |
| 19:03.50 | Neuro_Medivh | and the premades are getting moved to their own ghett... er, server |
| 19:03.51 | Maldivia | Tekkub: yeah |
| 19:04.09 | Fisker- | only for US though |
| 19:04.12 | Tekkub | I am hardly "built" |
| 19:04.15 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't care about EU probably |
| 19:04.16 | Fisker- | :o |
| 19:04.18 | Tekkub | more like "padded" |
| 19:04.22 | Fisker- | you are now |
| 19:04.24 | Tekkub | "insulated" |
| 19:04.36 | Tekkub | "jiggly" |
| 19:04.46 | Fisker- | kicked in the face |
| 19:04.54 | Tekkub | nope, not that one |
| 19:05.07 | Maldivia | Tekkub: did you ever look at the trade links, or did you just push it aside |
| 19:05.23 | Tekkub | I've not dug into it, no |
| 19:05.32 | Tekkub | been busy rewriting Cork |
| 19:06.05 | Tekkub | I still want to see a commonly agreed-upon way to automatically trading links on the addon channel, at least for guildies |
| 19:06.17 | Fisker- | btw fyi |
| 19:06.25 | Fisker- | mercenaries 2 is a horrible port |
| 19:06.26 | Fisker- | >:E |
| 19:06.37 | Tekkub | so that users aren't forced into using the same trade tracking addon |
| 19:06.55 | Maldivia | Tekkub: and blizzards way do seem to be the way to go then |
| 19:07.09 | foxlit | Tekkub: just send the actual link? |
| 19:07.10 | Maldivia | Tekkub: if people keep they addon/lib up to date |
| 19:07.28 | Tekkub | yea, I mean... when you log in you query the guild channel for everyone's links |
| 19:07.42 | Tekkub | then their addons automatically respond |
| 19:07.55 | kd3 | yay. storm peaks is back, hopefully |
| 19:08.01 | Maldivia | foxlit: the trade: links are just very build specific |
| 19:08.37 | foxlit | Maldivia: meh? :) |
| 19:08.45 | Neuro_Medivh | not trying to start a political debate, but McCain's daughter is kinda hot... much better looking than Chelsea ever was |
| 19:08.55 | foxlit | How is that ever an issue? People would be running the same build anyway :) |
| 19:09.25 | Maldivia | foxlit: the trade links Blizzard added is a bit list telling if the person has that particular recipe or not |
| 19:09.42 | Maldivia | foxlit: if a recipe is added in a build, a bitmask from a previous build will no longer work |
| 19:10.04 | Maldivia | foxlit: as recipe 1 might be recipe 2 in the new build etc |
| 19:10.12 | foxlit | And none of that is relevant |
| 19:10.50 | Tekkub | "they give us the premades then shut the servers down, bet they are laughing their asses off" |
| 19:10.51 | Tekkub | heh |
| 19:11.44 | Dashkal | Tekkub: they messed up. Premades were supposed to go to the new server :p |
| 19:11.46 | Maldivia | foxlit: yes, people would be running the same build, but what if they don't update their addon for a minor patch, then the addons mapping list might be wrong |
| 19:12.21 | foxlit | Still doesn't affect negotiations of when/how to send the links. |
| 19:12.25 | Tekkub | they said they were considerign that... or was there an official "we fucked up" post? |
| 19:12.31 | Dashkal | there is |
| 19:12.32 | foxlit | If you can't parse them, it's your problem |
| 19:12.39 | Dashkal | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9641624570-beta-concerns-regarding-premades.html |
| 19:12.45 | foxlit | You can easily make the library forcefully deprecate itself on new builds :) |
| 19:12.46 | Maldivia | foxlit: true |
| 19:12.49 | Neuro_Medivh | Tekkub, there was an official "we fucked up" post =) |
| 19:13.19 | Tekkub | aw... by "removed" do they mean they're taking em back, or just disabling it? |
| 19:13.44 | Maldivia | I'd say deleting the chars, or just moving them to the other server |
| 19:13.54 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.53 | Anaral | I think it's delete. I think they'd specify if they'd be moving them to Murmur. |
| 19:15.07 | Lunessa | Ooo... there went a character copy. |
| 19:16.05 | Mera | never doing error in eu not funny |
| 19:16.10 | Gnarfoz | hrhr |
| 19:16.16 | Gnarfoz | now I'm wondering |
| 19:16.44 | Gnarfoz | if the premades are supposed to be on a separate server (which is a Good Thing (TM)), will they just not enable premades for EU? ;D |
| 19:16.53 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: what's your guess on that? ;) |
| 19:17.23 | Mera | lol i hope no |
| 19:17.42 | Mera | but it is possible |
| 19:17.48 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: well, they added an extra server for US, so they might just do that for EU Aswell |
| 19:18.27 | Lunessa | ... Go to lunch now, or just wait 3 hours? |
| 19:18.31 | NeoTron | I hope they add a premade pve server and appropriately geared pve premades |
| 19:18.36 | Mera | but if they are doing this we'll kill their forums so i think no :p |
| 19:18.40 | NeoTron | because I can't imagine it being very optimal to do naxxramas in pvp gear |
| 19:19.05 | foxlit | meh, why not? |
| 19:19.09 | foxlit | It's entry level raiding |
| 19:19.15 | NeoTron | wheer shall we begin |
| 19:19.18 | NeoTron | lack of defensive stats |
| 19:19.21 | NeoTron | lack of spell hit |
| 19:19.25 | NeoTron | lack of spirit |
| 19:19.31 | foxlit | entry level raiding |
| 19:19.36 | NeoTron | it's entry level raiding, not a non-heroic level 80 5-man |
| 19:19.37 | foxlit | None of that is required. |
| 19:19.38 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: erm and you're what, a US player? ;P |
| 19:19.52 | NeoTron | it's expected you have leve 80 5-man gear, heroic and not, I bet |
| 19:20.01 | NeoTron | pvp gear is highly unsuitable for pve |
| 19:20.04 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: both :) |
| 19:20.10 | NeoTron | especially if you want to actually try to do balance testing |
| 19:20.17 | NeoTron | if it's doable ni pvp gear it's probably undertuned |
| 19:20.30 | Gnarfoz | then I fail to see how you can honestly think they'll go out of their way to add second server to EU beta. lol :D |
| 19:20.39 | foxlit | It's the equivalent of arena season 1 gear? |
| 19:21.02 | NeoTron | seriously though, easy or not, it just won't be a good "test" of the dungeon |
| 19:21.24 | foxlit | That depends on what you think they want you to test |
| 19:21.31 | Maldivia | you can still test the scripts etc |
| 19:21.38 | Maldivia | and if it's too easy |
| 19:21.58 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz as usual my EU beta expectations are pretty low |
| 19:22.04 | nevcairiel | I'll test Naxx with my own leveld char, not some freaking premade :P |
| 19:22.09 | Fisker- | I guess they'll do it |
| 19:22.16 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: ditto |
| 19:22.17 | Fisker- | Naxx in this build? |
| 19:22.21 | nevcairiel | Dunno |
| 19:22.26 | kd3 | possibly. I doubt it |
| 19:22.29 | Maldivia | they said they would open naxx soon... and patch now so |
| 19:22.34 | Dashkal | Hints say yes, nothing confirmed |
| 19:22.39 | Dashkal | 50/50? |
| 19:22.52 | NeoTron | I really don't want to raid with 16% spell miss |
| 19:22.56 | NeoTron | or 13 or whatever it ends up with |
| 19:23.05 | NeoTron | with a tank that can be crit, or if not, lacks most defensive stats |
| 19:23.16 | Maldivia | NeoTron: and you didn't do that when you first entered kara? |
| 19:23.23 | NeoTron | without spirit locks, and other classes, will be screwed for mana |
| 19:23.27 | NeoTron | Maldivia: no I didn't |
| 19:23.29 | Neuro_Medivh | has the patch actually hit yet? |
| 19:23.39 | foxlit | spirit locks |
| 19:23.40 | nevcairiel | not yet |
| 19:23.41 | kd3 | neg. I can't find the downloader yet |
| 19:23.43 | foxlit | almost as useful as agility locks :) |
| 19:23.45 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: havcen't found it yet :| |
| 19:23.48 | Neuro_Medivh | kk |
| 19:23.53 | NeoTron | Maldivia: also in BC locks were less affected by pvp gear than in LK |
| 19:24.04 | NeoTron | foxlit: I hope you're kidding right? |
| 19:24.26 | nevcairiel | we ran our first kara in really shitty gear, i dunno how that pvp gear is compared to that |
| 19:24.44 | Maldivia | foxlit: spirit is very good for locks at the moment |
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| 19:25.05 | Maldivia | foxlit: or well, depends what spec |
| 19:25.31 | Maldivia | kd3: where are you looking for patch - or are you just waiting for it to hit the launcher? |
| 19:26.01 | NeoTron | Maldivia: indeed. If you spec for DPS, spirit is good |
| 19:26.10 | NeoTron | if you spec for .. err... never mind |
| 19:26.17 | nevcairiel | What else can locks spec? |
| 19:26.18 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 19:26.23 | Maldivia | NeoTron: well, it's best for dest |
| 19:26.27 | NeoTron | . <--- point |
| 19:26.38 | NeoTron | it scaled DPs and regen for other builds too |
| 19:26.46 | NeoTron | in fact demo is the one that needs it the most, lacking other regen methods |
| 19:28.39 | smcn | oh yeah, i called it! |
| 19:28.42 | foxlit | Meh, I still can't see how you're using spirit. :/ |
| 19:28.49 | NeoTron | foxlit: ok then |
| 19:29.04 | foxlit | I mean, warlocks can't regen while you're casting, as far as I'm aware. |
| 19:29.13 | Esamynn | random though: one of the Druid Form Glpyhs should change Bear Form into a Panda! 8) |
| 19:29.17 | NeoTron | foxlit: 1) life tap scales with spirit, 2) spell damage scaled with spirit (fel armor), 3) fel armor has 30% regen while casting |
| 19:29.29 | NeoTron | now do you see? |
| 19:29.32 | nevcairiel | "scaled" ? |
| 19:29.38 | NeoTron | typo |
| 19:29.38 | Maldivia | NeoTron: have you noticed that fel armor actually has -30% regen right now ? :) |
| 19:29.41 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 19:29.46 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:29.49 | NeoTron | Maldivia: well sure but I think that is a.. bug |
| 19:29.51 | NeoTron | ;-) |
| 19:29.54 | NeoTron | it's only one rank |
| 19:30.03 | foxlit | Fel Armor: "Surrounds the caster with fel energy, increasing the amount of health generated through spells and effects by 20% and increasing spell damage by up to 100. Only one type of Armor spell can be active on the Warlock at any time. Lasts 30 min" |
| 19:30.15 | Maldivia | NeoTron: I laughed the first time I saw it drain mana instead of regen :) |
| 19:30.16 | foxlit | Or, well, live :) |
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| 19:30.58 | NeoTron | foxlit: do you think we aer discussing Live when we're talking about level 80 premades? |
| 19:31.08 | Maldivia | beta: Surrounds the caster with fel energy, increasing spell power by 180 plus additional spell power equal to 30% of your Spirit. In addition, allows 30% of your mana regeneration to continue while casting. Only one type of Armor spell can be active on the Warlock at any time. Lasts 30 min. |
| 19:31.21 | foxlit | Since "at the moment" was mentioned :) |
| 19:31.33 | NeoTron | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=47893 |
| 19:33.59 | Maldivia | put the +30% effectiveness talent on top of that, and spirit is worth a lot :) |
| 19:34.11 | Maldivia | (well, 30% more :) |
| 19:38.43 | Anaral | I'm on WoW General forums, trying to post a comment, I am logged in, but get this: You are not allowed to post in this station |
| 19:41.02 | smcn | Anaral: trying to post on live with a beta character? |
| 19:41.35 | Anaral | It's not showing a realm |
| 19:42.03 | Anaral | But thats it |
| 19:44.45 | Dashkal | please please please say that we'll do naxx testing on northrend. The level of suck in that premade thread is making me stupider |
| 19:45.17 | nevcairiel | all realms will do testing |
| 19:45.22 | nevcairiel | why not? :p |
| 19:45.39 | Dashkal | "we" as in "Those of is on this channel who are currently on Northrend" |
| 19:45.49 | Dashkal | or more specifically "Secure Templars" |
| 19:46.36 | nevcairiel | if its anything like the EU guild, there will be 2 people on 80 |
| 19:46.57 | Dashkal | SA has a couple-three 80s now. I'm pushing Dash all the way asap. |
| 19:47.01 | Dashkal | ST* |
| 19:47.47 | NeoTron | DK |
| 19:47.50 | NeoTron | my lock is 72 :P |
| 19:48.02 | NeoTron | but still.. pve premades ftw for naxx |
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| 19:49.10 | Icecoldcoke | Yay registered name requirement taken off, opera didn't like that. |
| 19:49.15 | Maldivia | I have a 80 druid in spell power gear, although not in the secure templars guild (my other druid is in there, but that's still 70) |
| 19:49.19 | Dashkal | *nods* when pve premades open I'll look at it. This set seems to be all PvP premades. Avoiding |
| 19:49.48 | Dashkal | I didn't want to mention ST specifically, just the channel as a whole on that server. Reading the premade thread was worse than barrens chat |
| 19:49.54 | Maldivia | you get pvp gear... use that to run instances and get pve gear, then go do naxx :) |
| 19:50.03 | devXero | does anyone know where ( or if ) the race base stats are stored in the client data anywhere? |
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| 19:50.16 | Maldivia | morning Cairenn |
| 19:50.25 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 19:50.30 | Icecoldcoke | Morning? o.O |
| 19:51.03 | Maldivia | ~ugt |
| 19:51.04 | purl | ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 19:51.14 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 19:51.28 | Icecoldcoke | O.o |
| 19:51.31 | NeoTron | premades typically are sad sad stuff |
| 19:51.48 | Icecoldcoke | Didn't they remove them because they weren't intended to go onto Lich King / Northrend? |
| 19:51.53 | NeoTron | "lul i wants to peevepee gankz some hordz!" |
| 19:52.02 | Dashkal | Mind you, I'm mostly avoiding instance portals. Those are the things I'm saving for live. |
| 19:52.13 | NeoTron | I'm learning as much as I can |
| 19:52.19 | NeoTron | to make live leveling as fast as possible |
| 19:52.31 | Maldivia | heroic nexus is fun though :) |
| 19:52.40 | NeoTron | and considering I am likely to go DK in the expansion |
| 19:52.47 | NeoTron | I might miss otu on a lot of the "first runs" |
| 19:52.50 | nevcairiel | I'm still 79 now because my char was stuck the last 4 days |
| 19:52.54 | nevcairiel | now it was un-stuck |
| 19:52.55 | Icecoldcoke | Not when you're forced to LB spam because there are 900000 healers on the server. :( |
| 19:52.57 | nevcairiel | and server went down :P |
| 19:53.19 | NeoTron | Icecoldcoke: 10 sec duration lifebloom will help! |
| 19:53.21 | Dashkal | I'm doing the first runs on my druid. I'll go back to my DK at 75ish |
| 19:53.28 | NeoTron | then you can spam even more |
| 19:53.29 | Dashkal | then the DK becomes my main |
| 19:53.36 | Icecoldcoke | I was talking about lightning bolt, but OK. |
| 19:53.40 | NeoTron | heh |
| 19:53.44 | Dashkal | and I'll make the guild 80s run me through UK and Nexus :p |
| 19:53.48 | nevcairiel | LB is lifebloom, not some stupid dmg spell :P |
| 19:54.02 | NeoTron | seing how I'm a raider, my main goal is to get my "main raiding char" to level 80 |
| 19:54.03 | nevcairiel | but 10s LB is win |
| 19:54.05 | Icecoldcoke | Lightning Bolt has been around longer than lifefail.. erm lifebloom. |
| 19:54.06 | Dashkal | What does nexus abbreviate to anyway? Nx? |
| 19:54.07 | Maldivia | and 10sec lifebloom is SO SO NICE! |
| 19:54.08 | NeoTron | so I won't do more than one at a tim |
| 19:54.18 | NeoTron | Icecoldcoke: not in raiding it hasn't! |
| 19:54.29 | NeoTron | no one raided as elemental pre-bc :P |
| 19:54.48 | Maldivia | not for long that is :) |
| 19:54.53 | Icecoldcoke | There were some.. but the gear pre-bc was designed really retardedly and it was bad for about everything. |
| 19:55.56 | Duman | h0h0 |
| 19:55.57 | Duman | I called it |
| 19:55.57 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9658135792&pageNo=1&sid=2000#14 |
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| 19:56.09 | Duman | (I had posted: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9658275812&sid=2000 ) |
| 19:56.20 | Maldivia | pre-bc, there were healing leather and rogue leather, hunter mail and healer mail... in BC there were rogue leather, healer leather, spell leather, tank leather, hunter mail, spell mail, healer mail, enchantment mail.... wotlk spell leather, AP leather, spell mail, AP mail... |
| 19:56.25 | NeoTron | so anyone know if the spell hit cap has been changed to match melee hit? |
| 19:56.31 | NeoTron | I see posts stating it but nothing conclusive |
| 19:56.45 | Lunessa | Ahem. I refuse to "run thru" anyone who abreviates a word as short as Nexus |
| 19:56.49 | Tekkub | hey, raiding droods, question.... you every put thorns on more than one person, or would tracking the last person you cast on for recasts be enough? |
| 19:56.51 | nevcairiel | Duman: they already said before that they want a new realm for premades, that was a pretty safe bet :P |
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| 19:57.07 | nevcairiel | Tekkub: i never cast it =P |
| 19:57.16 | foxlit | I agree with the general sentimenet |
| 19:57.18 | Dashkal | Lunessa: heh, practically speaking that'll be in vent "Stanz... are you busy?" |
| 19:57.21 | Tekkub | then you don't count, NEXT |
| 19:57.32 | Maldivia | thorns puts me out of tree form, never use it :) |
| 19:57.37 | NeoTron | Tekkub: I'd say when used it would be used on tanks |
| 19:57.39 | NeoTron | so likely more than one |
| 19:57.41 | nevcairiel | Srsly, i dont know anyone that really casts thorns regularly |
| 19:57.42 | foxlit | If you're buffing it (which is odd), you're probably buffing it on every tank |
| 19:57.45 | Icecoldcoke | Then you don't count, NEXT |
| 19:57.58 | foxlit | whoa, that drink talks back :/ |
| 19:58.06 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:58.07 | Tekkub | NeoTron, but if you have more than one tank, it's likely you have more than one drood, no |
| 19:58.07 | Maldivia | seriously... shouldn't a tree be able to cast thorns and root? :) |
| 19:58.08 | Tekkub | ? |
| 19:58.11 | Dashkal | I stick it on tanks when I remember, but the duration is so low and the threat benifit so low I don't tend to bother |
| 19:58.15 | jonathan|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.15 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Wouldn't you want to track the FIRST person? For duration reasons? |
| 19:58.29 | nevcairiel | jonathan|work: to quote the master, Then you don't count, NEXT |
| 19:58.48 | Tekkub | Lunessa, either I want to track one target or many... thing is I have the last-target implemented already |
| 19:58.49 | smcn | i started using thorns when i discovered zomgbuffs |
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| 19:58.59 | Hirsute | Anyone know a way for an addon to determine the faction an NPC is associated with? (Informant keeps vendor data, and we'd like it to take into account faction discounts) |
| 19:58.59 | Tekkub | so I'm looking for excuse to be lazy and reuse that |
| 19:59.06 | Maldivia | yeah, it scales better now |
| 19:59.08 | Lyn | Tekkub, does Tourguide work on german client? (friend asks, I dont use german client so I cannot answer) :) |
| 19:59.16 | nevcairiel | Hirsute: tooltip parsing, i guess |
| 19:59.17 | Tekkub | Lyn, mostly |
| 19:59.30 | Lyn | thanks :) |
| 19:59.42 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: Thanks, I was hoping that wouldn't be the only way, but good to know. |
| 20:00.28 | Lunessa | Tekkub: Buffing strategies are something I rarely automate. But I would think FIFO is the way to go here. |
| 20:00.32 | devXero | so, race base statistics _aren't_ in the client data anywhere? |
| 20:01.03 | Tekkub | Lunessa, most buffing is really pretty easy, blanket everyone |
| 20:01.07 | foxlit | client data isn't the sort of place we'd spend a lot of time looking around in, regularly. |
| 20:01.22 | Tekkub | it's thorns/earth shield/amp+damp majick that are the oddities |
| 20:01.48 | Tekkub | and fear ward, but that's easy just track the cooldown |
| 20:01.51 | Lunessa | Yeah, on my priest "Target leader of group 1, Prayer of Fort. Rpeat for each group. Too far away? F you." |
| 20:02.04 | [Liquidor] | Hirsute, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitFactionGroup - Not sure if it works for NPCs tho or just horde/ally |
| 20:02.12 | NightHawkAtWork | Earth shield is obnoxious, especially when you have multiple resto shaman in the raid ><M |
| 20:02.26 | Tekkub | I already have ES done |
| 20:02.31 | foxlit | I'd imagine even more so in WoTLK |
| 20:02.36 | NightHawkAtWork | Tekkub: in cork? |
| 20:02.38 | Tekkub | and I'm trying to justify reusing it's code on thorns |
| 20:02.41 | Tekkub | yes |
| 20:02.53 | [Liquidor] | Meh it's just ally/horde |
| 20:02.54 | NightHawkAtWork | Tekkub: does cork do in-combat buffing now? otherwise it;s pretty useless for ES |
| 20:03.05 | Dashkal | Wait a tick... I wonder if DKs will be able to switch their weapon rune/chant in naxx. Naxx has a runeforge in it |
| 20:03.05 | Tekkub | no, and it never will |
| 20:03.21 | Tekkub | but it will still tell you when it's worn |
| 20:03.26 | Hirsute | [Liquidor]: Thanks, I'll look into that one. |
| 20:03.39 | foxlit | "You're useless, alec baldwin." |
| 20:03.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: we has patch? or no? |
| 20:03.45 | Neuro_Medivh | I thought there was a way to set ONE spell during combat |
| 20:03.46 | NightHawkAtWork | Tekkub: *nod* I'm not saying it should either, but it's only fractionally as useful for ES otherwise |
| 20:04.01 | smcn | "We're going to try to patch today." - Tigole |
| 20:04.11 | Tekkub | Neuro_Medivh, macro |
| 20:04.15 | NightHawkAtWork | msot of the time, i'm rebuffing that mid combat. |
| 20:04.23 | Neuro_Medivh | when the lockdown call is made, you set the Cork button to cast the in-combat spell |
| 20:04.32 | Tekkub | so change your macro to cast it on the person you want |
| 20:04.38 | ScytheBlade1 | smcn: not *quite* what I was asking, but thanks |
| 20:04.55 | Lunessa | foxlit: "matt damon!" |
| 20:04.57 | foxlit | s/useless/worthless/ |
| 20:04.59 | Icecoldcoke | Ewww.. the downtime post says maitenance.. not new build. :( |
| 20:05.01 | Tekkub | Neuro_Medivh, no, I tried that once and it wasn't pretty... especially since you can do it in the macro so simply |
| 20:05.11 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh, true that |
| 20:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: you're at the UofU, right? |
| 20:05.17 | [Liquidor] | Hirsute, it's only ally/horde |
| 20:05.23 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: havne't found one yet - but haven't check for 20 minutes :) |
| 20:05.27 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: Aye. |
| 20:05.29 | Tekkub | add tons of complexity to addon... have use just edit their fucking macro... |
| 20:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: hehe, fair enough |
| 20:05.44 | Maldivia | Icecoldcoke: "We're going to try to patch today. " - Tigole |
| 20:05.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: don't suppose you were bitten by the fire alarm at the Union building earlier today? ;P |
| 20:05.58 | Neuro_Medivh | I assume you have it so they /click CorkButton ? |
| 20:06.06 | Icecoldcoke | Maldivia: Oh. I hope they do |
| 20:06.09 | NightHawkAtWork | Tekkub: yeah, for ES these days I use grid/clique to monitor it. it works for me. |
| 20:06.16 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: I wasn't. I spend my time up at the Medschool. Was bitten by a fire alarm there the other night though. |
| 20:06.21 | Hirsute | Darned fire alarms. |
| 20:06.26 | Maldivia | Icecoldcoke: well, other posts he made today strongly suggest it |
| 20:06.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: ah. Didn't hear about that one. :/ |
| 20:06.28 | Neuro_Medivh | Clique is FTW during combat |
| 20:06.28 | foxlit | Lunessa: :) |
| 20:06.40 | Maldivia | Icecoldcoke: "Storm Peaks will be in this patch. If it continues to crash the server, we'll have to turn it off again. " - Tigole |
| 20:06.52 | Maldivia | Icecoldcoke: "The XP tuning is getting closer. We're going to do a minor adjustment in today's patch. 10% faster. " - Tigole |
| 20:06.55 | Hirsute | Medical School had a random fire alarm while I was trying to get some studying done. It was fun. |
| 20:07.02 | Lunessa | foxlit: HATE the authors of that movie so much, but it has a few good bits. :P |
| 20:07.04 | Icecoldcoke | Maldivia: Well, I'm already 80 on my shaman.. :P |
| 20:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, ouch |
| 20:07.19 | foxlit | Lunessa: Most of the music is awesome :) |
| 20:07.22 | Hirsute | ScytheBlade1: Were you down in the computer lab when the alarm went off? |
| 20:07.23 | Maldivia | Icecoldcoke: well, it was for the "today's patch" part of it :) |
| 20:07.31 | Lunessa | And hey, puppet sex |
| 20:07.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: no, I was walking down towards the union trying to get food when the fire truck pulled up. So close, and then instantly denied. |
| 20:07.59 | Maldivia | Lunessa: and for some reason when you said that, it reminded me of an episode of Angel :) |
| 20:08.01 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 20:08.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It was possibly more depressing than if I had already been there |
| 20:08.44 | Bouvi | Maldivia: I miss Fred. She was hot. |
| 20:08.48 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't often say this, Scythe, but I feel it is apropos in this case: PWNED! |
| 20:08.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, sadly. |
| 20:09.04 | Maldivia | Bouvi: she was fun, yeah :) |
| 20:09.33 | Lunessa | Maldivia: I've seen 2 episodes of Angel - and I watched the puppet one because it was puppets. |
| 20:09.40 | Maldivia | Bouvi: but what did you expect... they were about to get happy - can't have that :) |
| 20:09.57 | Neuro_Medivh | What's almost as bad is thinking "Man, I'd love some Chik-fil-a!" and then you hop in your car, drive to the one nearby, pull up, and realize it's f***ing sunday |
| 20:10.01 | Bouvi | Fred was still hot after she transformed |
| 20:10.14 | Maldivia | Lunessa: hehe - don't ask me why I had that association... might be david boreanaz... don't know :) |
| 20:10.31 | Lunessa | LOL. |
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| 20:10.50 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: No kidding. |
| 20:10.53 | Neuro_Medivh | Best use of puppets is Avenue Q |
| 20:11.05 | Lunessa | The Internet is for Porn. |
| 20:11.12 | Neuro_Medivh | that's not even the best part |
| 20:11.32 | Neuro_Medivh | there's a scene that would be illegal in Amsterdam if it were performed by real people |
| 20:11.36 | Maldivia | Bouvi: love the interaction between wesley and illyria :) |
| 20:12.03 | Bouvi | I miss that show. Hated the way it ended. I miss buffy too. Willow was hot. |
| 20:12.23 | Bouvi | Yes there is a trend to my TV watching. Ask me about the new Terminator girl. |
| 20:12.24 | Neuro_Medivh | That show suffers from the same thing all Joss Whedon shows suffer from |
| 20:12.27 | Maldivia | Bouvi: they just announced a Buffy MMO :) |
| 20:13.01 | Maldivia | Bouvi: hmm, watching Stargate Atlantis aswell, for Jewel Staites? |
| 20:13.11 | Bouvi | Absolutely!!! |
| 20:13.55 | Bouvi | Watched Serenity recently too |
| 20:13.56 | Lunessa | Bouvi: "How I Met Your Mother" - Allison is in that too, and they let her be as sexy as she wants. |
| 20:14.12 | Bouvi | Wife keeps hitting me for some reason when they are on |
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| 20:14.49 | Bouvi | Must be the drool |
| 20:14.59 | Maldivia | Bouvi: dollhouse next year, for eliza dushku and amy acker :) |
| 20:15.04 | Neuro_Medivh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzSLfEa0E6s (totally NSFW) |
| 20:15.27 | Lunessa | Heh. Once, years ago I went to see Sting in concert and Natalie Merchant was the opening act. My mouth opened and the words "I'm in love" came out while watching her sing/dance. My g/f at the time hit me so hard I had bruises for a week. |
| 20:16.09 | Maldivia | Lunessa: you could have saved it by turning your head as adding "with you" |
| 20:16.10 | Bouvi | My wife is really cool with it. We play fight. When someone she thinks is hot comes on the screen she comments too :D |
| 20:17.12 | Neuro_Medivh | Does your wife drool over Daniel Craig or Gerard Butler? |
| 20:17.32 | Neuro_Medivh | my gf will watch nearly any shitty movie with either of those two in it |
| 20:17.51 | Bouvi | A slayer and Fred dollhouse!!! She actually like David B. so we watch Bones alot. |
| 20:17.58 | Lunessa | I said to her, "Two words: JOhnny Dep." |
| 20:19.20 | Dewin | heh. I still remember one of my guildie's comments about Johnny Depp. |
| 20:19.40 | Dewin | which I'd repeat her but I'd have to self-censor. |
| 20:19.53 | Neuro_Medivh | self-censor? What is that? |
| 20:20.15 | Lunessa | I saw a bumper sticker last weekend "Johnny Dep is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." |
| 20:20.23 | Maldivia | lol |
| 20:20.25 | Dashkal | Dewin: you probably should. I mean nobody _ever_ curses in this channel :p |
| 20:20.26 | Dewin | Guildie was like, "I'm not gay, but I'd **** Johnny Depp." |
| 20:20.53 | Dewin | Of course, we all know that developers are all prim and proper and would never say 'shit' or 'crap' or 'fuck' in a social setting. |
| 20:20.58 | Dewin | oops. crap. |
| 20:21.24 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, then don't click on that link I posted up there... it has naughty words in it |
| 20:21.24 | Dashkal | My poor innocent virgin eyes.... oh wait |
| 20:21.27 | Lunessa | Damni Dewin. Why the fuck did you go and say some shit like that? |
| 20:21.58 | Neuro_Medivh | all this profanity makes me sad, cause it reminds me that Carlin is no longer with us |
| 20:22.10 | End | lol |
| 20:22.51 | Lunessa | Seven Words You Can't Say on Television. |
| 20:23.09 | Dewin | lol, I still can't believe that one conversation that occured in an office I once worked... at a K-12 school no less. |
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| 20:23.30 | Neuro_Medivh | to be fair, though, Carlin's stand-up in recent years turned from comedy to just ranting about whatever he didn't like anymore |
| 20:23.32 | Dewin | I don't recall the exact wording, but it was sometihng like "What the hell does WTH mean?" |
| 20:24.10 | nevcairiel | oh how did i miss this, prot warrs can properly pull casters now |
| 20:24.30 | NightHawkAtWork | nevcairiel: what? where? |
| 20:24.36 | nevcairiel | P.S. If you're Prot, your helpful new pulling ability can pull casters. Yay. |
| 20:24.38 | nevcairiel | its not in yet |
| 20:24.41 | nevcairiel | but a blue said that |
| 20:24.42 | nevcairiel | ! |
| 20:24.47 | NightHawkAtWork | oh, that's nice. |
| 20:24.49 | End | :o |
| 20:24.57 | NightHawkAtWork | how we just need one for druids and paladins. >.> |
| 20:25.10 | Neuro_Medivh | DKs can pull casters to. DEATH GRIP! |
| 20:25.35 | End | death grip doesn't actually work against bosses...does it? |
| 20:25.38 | Neuro_Medivh | the funniest thing is watching a warrior or rogue run up to a mob to attack it, then YOINK it away from them |
| 20:25.41 | Neuro_Medivh | no |
| 20:26.00 | NightHawkAtWork | End: there's a few nameds/bosses it doesn't work against, yeah |
| 20:26.04 | End | I think it'd be hilarious to death grip some of the larger bosses, if you could |
| 20:26.04 | Maldivia | bugger... me wanted to see a DK Death Grip Ragnaros :) |
| 20:26.39 | Neuro_Medivh | can't... there's quite a few cases where it fails. Any mob that is rooted or immobile can't be DGed |
| 20:26.46 | NightHawkAtWork | ^^ |
| 20:26.56 | Maldivia | or a mob that can't path to you |
| 20:27.00 | Neuro_Medivh | even if you did it |
| 20:27.07 | Dashkal | Or a flying mob before it aggros |
| 20:27.11 | Dashkal | (sometimes) |
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| 20:27.23 | Neuro_Medivh | I've seen mobs casting a spell and be unable to be gripped |
| 20:27.28 | Dewin | death grip teleports a mob to you? |
| 20:27.29 | Dewin | neat. |
| 20:27.36 | Dashkal | Pulls, not teleports |
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| 20:27.38 | NightHawkAtWork | not teleport so much as "pulls" |
| 20:27.46 | Dewin | well, similiar eough |
| 20:27.47 | NightHawkAtWork | like the reverse of warrior leap |
| 20:27.50 | Dashkal | Think kitty charge or heroic leap, but you do it, not them |
| 20:27.51 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, that reminds me, a lot of flying mobs are annoying as hell in LK |
| 20:28.00 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: ohh yeah! |
| 20:28.00 | Dewin | what happens to any nearby friends? |
| 20:28.03 | Dashkal | Dewin: The difference is that the victim can IC you on the way over |
| 20:28.05 | Neuro_Medivh | cause they just won't come down |
| 20:28.09 | Dashkal | any instance cast works |
| 20:28.12 | NightHawkAtWork | Dewin: if they're linked, they pull normally |
| 20:28.12 | Dashkal | instant* |
| 20:28.37 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: yeah, i've actually done dual DK DGs. it's crazy |
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| 20:28.49 | Dashkal | NightHawkAtWork: Sounds about the same as dual charges |
| 20:28.51 | Neuro_Medivh | DK+Elem Shaman... Grip then Thunderbolt! |
| 20:28.57 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: except funnier, yes. |
| 20:28.59 | Dashkal | Prot warrior vs tanking bear feral. |
| 20:29.14 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 20:29.16 | Dashkal | I still love the strange synergy between chains of ice and death grip |
| 20:29.33 | Dashkal | For some reason the arc is much _higher_ when they're under chains |
| 20:29.34 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah... since chains is no longer a root, it works well together |
| 20:29.50 | End | what is chains now? |
| 20:30.03 | Dashkal | chains of ice is a physical, no diminishing returns, _snare_ |
| 20:30.04 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: yeah, thats gotta be a math quirk :p |
| 20:30.10 | End | a snare? |
| 20:30.13 | Dashkal | snare |
| 20:30.14 | End | that sounds weird |
| 20:30.22 | Dashkal | starts at 100% reduction and scales back 10% per second |
| 20:30.28 | End | ah |
| 20:30.28 | NightHawkAtWork | End: it USED to be a root |
| 20:30.29 | Maldivia | a snare that starts a 0% speed, and the 5% per second |
| 20:31.14 | NightHawkAtWork | a 3s root, with the 0-100 speed afterwards, they recently dropped the root aspect |
| 20:31.27 | Dewin | what's recast time on DG? |
| 20:31.32 | Dashkal | Basically its our tool to keep kiters in range |
| 20:31.33 | NightHawkAtWork | 35s untalanted |
| 20:32.24 | Dashkal | I'm so glad they're changing how diseases scale our skills. In PvP I have a hell of a time doing real damage since I'm using my frost runes to keep them put. One less disease in blood spec |
| 20:32.31 | Maldivia | Dashkal: yep kiters have tools to counter act it, such as disengage, blink etc |
| 20:32.43 | Neuro_Medivh | with talents, chains will also slap frost fever and snare them that way |
| 20:32.44 | Dashkal | Maldivia: exactly as it shoudl be. |
| 20:33.02 | NeoTron | I don't think it's OP |
| 20:33.12 | NeoTron | especially due to the loss of DPS to keep it up |
| 20:33.22 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 20:33.27 | Dashkal | It's a good self-balancing thing |
| 20:33.41 | cbreak | Coldara is down :( a new patch approaching? |
| 20:33.43 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone find a patch downloader yet? |
| 20:33.46 | nevcairiel | cbreak: yea |
| 20:33.50 | Maldivia | cbreak: patch incomming yeah |
| 20:33.51 | Dashkal | Sure you can keep that player at under 50% speed at all times, but you're not gonna be doing full DPS |
| 20:34.40 | Maldivia | Neuro_Medivh: my scans have turned up negative so far :| |
| 20:34.46 | Neuro_Medivh | question, does Unholy Presence stack with move speed enchants? They keep changing whether it stacks or not |
| 20:34.48 | Dashkal | And I still have my unholy and blood runes for DPS. So it's hardly crippling either. |
| 20:35.06 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: once the realms come back up I'll tell you :p They might have changed it again. (I believe it was no last night) |
| 20:35.19 | NeoTron | it was no |
| 20:35.21 | Neuro_Medivh | k... I haven't really been able to play beta in 2 weeks |
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| 20:35.40 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: the one thing i find obnoxious is that there's only really FU combinations for most DPS abilities. no BU/BF combinations. >< |
| 20:35.57 | Dashkal | NightHawkAtWork: I've noticed that myself. It's most of the reason I prefer blood spec |
| 20:36.14 | Neuro_Medivh | I like blood for grinding cause you're always FH |
| 20:36.15 | Dashkal | The extra abilities take blood runes, and so they don't break my FU abilities |
| 20:36.22 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: well (for pve at least) it works out mostly fine. because you have B abilities and FU abilities |
| 20:36.48 | Dashkal | When I'm forced to use a F rune alone outside of icy, it totally fscks my rotation. |
| 20:36.48 | NightHawkAtWork | I just think the class would be slightly more interesting if there were BF/BU abilities, but that might be far to much "stuff" to deal with |
| 20:37.00 | Dashkal | or I just take the DPS hit and use it in place of icy (leaving me one disease short) |
| 20:37.01 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: right, same with using a single U rune outside ofa rotation. |
| 20:37.19 | NightHawkAtWork | I've yet to figure out how to work Corpse Explosion into a sane rotation that way |
| 20:37.30 | Dashkal | corpse explosion pretty much requires death runes |
| 20:37.43 | Tekkub | almond-stuffed olives FTW |
| 20:37.49 | Dashkal | but every other rotation isn't a killer with CE since you need the corpses as an extra mat |
| 20:37.50 | NightHawkAtWork | i noticed. I find death runes kinda kludgy in a lot of cases |
| 20:37.58 | NightHawkAtWork | because they're only every-other rotation |
| 20:37.59 | Tekkub | fuck pimentos, they're icky |
| 20:38.27 | Lunessa | *headdesk* User: I have the install DVD for Office but you never gave me the product key. Me: Yes we did, the software comes in a sleeve with the key on it. User: I don |
| 20:38.36 | Lunessa | don't have the sleeve. Me: Too bad. |
| 20:38.44 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawk, they're nice if you have that unholy talent that extends diseases, cause it allows you to skip a cycle of icy touch |
| 20:38.45 | Dashkal | One thing I'm having a hell of a time figuring out is a PvP blood spec. It's like it's frost or unholy or GTFO |
| 20:39.06 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't see how you can pvp without being unholy |
| 20:39.16 | Dashkal | Frost is pretty damn good to given all the CC |
| 20:39.17 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: yeah, true |
| 20:39.19 | Dashkal | better for groups |
| 20:39.25 | Dashkal | 1v1 is unholy |
| 20:39.28 | Dashkal | period |
| 20:39.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: win |
| 20:39.58 | Dashkal | But I can't really figure out what's missing either or I'd be posting for GC to peek at |
| 20:40.07 | Neuro_Medivh | if I were going strictly for pvp, I'd be deep unholy (Bone Shield is just too good) then Frost |
| 20:40.52 | NeoTron | I'd likely spec frost or unholy for tanking |
| 20:40.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, and desecration |
| 20:41.01 | Dashkal | I'd probably go frost to keep my targets put and let my partner burn them down |
| 20:41.07 | NeoTron | seems most DK's seem to want to pvp or dps, not tank |
| 20:41.10 | Dashkal | I _really_ want to be a blood tank |
| 20:41.22 | NeoTron | I played blood in a 5-man to test the DPS |
| 20:41.23 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: is bone shield really that good? |
| 20:41.26 | NeoTron | and it really wasn't very fun :P |
| 20:41.29 | NightHawkAtWork | it seems like it'd drop too fast |
| 20:41.31 | NeoTron | not that it was bad mind you |
| 20:41.35 | Lunessa | I'm going to level a DK to tank at launch. |
| 20:41.40 | NeoTron | just lost its appeal |
| 20:41.47 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawk, you put one shield up before you engage, then refresh it midcombat |
| 20:41.53 | Dashkal | A good blood rotation (once they fix the healing) is pretty good effective health. The health return makes up for the lesser armour. |
| 20:41.59 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: i'd tank as a DK, but i'm crazy like that |
| 20:42.07 | Neuro_Medivh | 1 min recast, but 5 min duration |
| 20:42.09 | Dashkal | You're using DS, not oblit. But you're tanking, not DPSing |
| 20:42.54 | Neuro_Medivh | Blood Tanks are great single target, but they lack the multi-target capability of Unholy |
| 20:43.00 | NeoTron | but dk's generate threat using dps |
| 20:43.02 | NeoTron | nothing else |
| 20:43.05 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: well, the duration is meaningless in most circumstances as it's only 4 hits, chances are those will be lost LONG before even 1m is up |
| 20:43.10 | NeoTron | Neuro_Medivh: or frost |
| 20:43.19 | NeoTron | for Aoe Unholy > frost > blood |
| 20:43.24 | Dashkal | My second and successive blood rotations are: "icy/plague/pest/pest/DS |
| 20:43.33 | Dashkal | I can multi-target just fine |
| 20:43.38 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: not -strictly- true, d&d has extra threat on it.. but yeah |
| 20:43.44 | Dashkal | I can't do true AOE level, but I can hold 4 no problem |
| 20:43.54 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawk, what I mean is, you slap the Bone Shield on before combat, like right before arena begins, then you have 4 bones up, plus you can recast it mid-fight, for a total of 8 bones |
| 20:43.55 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: blood tanking is probably closest to warrior tanking, imo |
| 20:43.59 | Dashkal | My first rotation is icy/plauge/pest/d&d |
| 20:44.09 | NeoTron | Dashkal: holding aggro on 4 ~= holding aggro on 10 while aoe classes are spamming AoE :P |
| 20:44.14 | Dashkal | So they glue to me right at the start, and the successive pests keep em |
| 20:44.24 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: yeah, I understand what your saying. I was just skeptical of how good it was, but I don't really pvp, and havn't played as unholy mch |
| 20:44.28 | Dashkal | NeoTron: for such a fight I'd just stick with my first rotation |
| 20:44.48 | Dashkal | ALl I'd need is a cheap +threat but weak DPS runic power AoE and I'd be set |
| 20:44.50 | NeoTron | not arguing blod can't tank multiple target but it's clearly inferior to unholy |
| 20:45.03 | Dashkal | only for 10+ fights |
| 20:45.09 | Dashkal | for 4, it's fine |
| 20:45.33 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawk, it's pretty good... most classes blow their wad early on. Your bones will absorb their instacasts or their ambushes or whatever |
| 20:46.09 | Dashkal | But I don't think we're so much worse than unholy that you'd want to swap over it. I think we'll be able to hold that 10 pack once the numbers get finished |
| 20:46.27 | Dashkal | GC is pretty obsessive on that point |
| 20:46.43 | Neuro_Medivh | the advantage of the blood tank is that he can stay alive longer without heals |
| 20:46.43 | NeoTron | all specs aren't supposed to be able to tank identically |
| 20:47.00 | NeoTron | Neuro_Medivh: Blood: when your heal0rz suckz |
| 20:47.07 | Neuro_Medivh | though I don't know how well that will scale |
| 20:47.12 | NeoTron | ofc not necessarily true |
| 20:47.16 | NeoTron | boneshield for example |
| 20:47.20 | Dashkal | certainly not. And unholy will always be better at large AoE packs. I'm inclined to believe that blood will still be perfectly capable of it |
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| 20:47.27 | Icecoldcoke | omgomgomg Koraa posts saying Windshock wont be on the GCD /danceparty. |
| 20:47.47 | Neuro_Medivh | Windshock is almost identical to what I suggested like 2 years ago |
| 20:47.49 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: Our self-healing isn't so good that the healers can be lazy, it's more of an alternate means of midigation |
| 20:47.58 | Dashkal | frost has much better pure midigation |
| 20:47.58 | Neuro_Medivh | Dashkal: Yeah |
| 20:48.04 | NeoTron | main reason i'm likely going unholy is to become the "paladin tank" of our raids |
| 20:48.07 | NeoTron | meaning aoe tank |
| 20:48.08 | Dashkal | but we self-heal, accomplishing the same end |
| 20:48.14 | NeoTron | possibly magic tank |
| 20:48.14 | foxlit | midgitigation! :) |
| 20:48.20 | NeoTron | which is also unholy, just different spec |
| 20:48.24 | NightHawkAtWork | Icecoldcoke: there'd probably be a riot if it was |
| 20:48.26 | Neuro_Medivh | Blood will be my leveling spec, then I'll prolly switch to Unholy for AoE tanking |
| 20:48.33 | Dashkal | my "alt spec" will probably an unholy pure anti-caster :p |
| 20:48.38 | NightHawkAtWork | Icecoldcoke: seeing as they've moved so many interrupts off the gcd |
| 20:48.44 | Neuro_Medivh | the one thing I like is how each spec has a tanking talent at the very first tier |
| 20:48.49 | Dashkal | frost/unholy all the way :p |
| 20:48.56 | foxlit | wtb physical interrupt mechanic |
| 20:48.56 | AckisWork | what event is fired when you learn/unlearn a tradeskill? |
| 20:49.06 | foxlit | more classes clearly need disarm |
| 20:49.29 | NightHawkAtWork | AckisWork: imo, roll an alt and check? :P |
| 20:49.34 | Dashkal | I think it'll be frost dominant, actually. which now seems odd, but the talents work better that way. I'll have to do some test builds tonight |
| 20:49.44 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: did they remove disarm from riposte? i forget |
| 20:49.44 | AckisWork | NightHawkAtWork: at work :P |
| 20:49.51 | Icecoldcoke | NightHawlAtWork: Yeah, but blizzard hates shaman so I wouldn't be surprised if it was on the GCD. |
| 20:49.55 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't like frost tanking.. Will of the Necropolis seems so much better than Unbreakable Armor |
| 20:49.56 | NightHawkAtWork | AckisWork: ... i suppose i should have known that. touche ;) |
| 20:50.04 | Anaral | Ackis, I'm about to train up my BS, I'll look |
| 20:50.06 | AckisWork | NightHawkAtWork: Why don't you do it for me? ;) hehe |
| 20:50.15 | AckisWork | Anaral: ty :) I couldn't find anything on the wiki when I searched |
| 20:50.25 | NightHawkAtWork | Icecoldcoke: eh, i dont think they do. I mean ES being on the GCD was because it had a significant damage component |
| 20:50.27 | NightHawkAtWork | AckisWork: :P |
| 20:50.29 | foxlit | NightHawkAtWork: it's -attack speed in wotlk |
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| 20:50.57 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: Yeah, I knew they mussed with it but I couldnt remember the specifics, havn't played a rogue in a long time. so that means only warriors have disarm? that feels really wierd. |
| 20:51.05 | Icecoldcoke | NightHawkAtWork: Speaking of that.. I wonder if it will be on the shock cooldown. |
| 20:51.13 | Icecoldcoke | OR have it's own. |
| 20:51.21 | Neuro_Medivh | shock cooldown I'm sure |
| 20:51.30 | NightHawkAtWork | Icecoldcoke: -THAT- is a good question. hopefully on it's own, but who knows. |
| 20:52.13 | Icecoldcoke | Neuro_Medivh: It really shouldn't be, it's basically we choose damage or a threat reduction / interrupt if it is. |
| 20:52.26 | Icecoldcoke | And other classes don't have to choose between the two to interrupt something. |
| 20:53.01 | NightHawkAtWork | exactly. |
| 20:53.53 | Neuro_Medivh | that's just it, they won't give Shaman 2 interrupts on a short cooldown |
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| 20:54.31 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: ... huh? i think they'll be removing the interrupt from earth shock... |
| 20:54.36 | Icecoldcoke | ^ |
| 20:54.52 | Neuro_Medivh | Hmm, I wouldn't think so |
| 20:54.57 | NightHawkAtWork | why not? |
| 20:55.18 | Neuro_Medivh | why would they? Wind Shock is simply designed to replace the lvl 1 earth shock that many people use |
| 20:55.52 | NightHawkAtWork | right, but if it's an interrupt, why have ES interrupt as well? lilke you say, 2 interrupts on ashort CD is silly |
| 20:56.10 | Neuro_Medivh | that's just it, since they're both on the shock cooldown, you really only have 1 interrupt |
| 20:56.12 | NightHawkAtWork | so drop the interrupt from ES, and make it a pure nuke shock |
| 20:56.23 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: but NOT if wind shock is on it's own CD. |
| 20:56.36 | Neuro_Medivh | That's why I don't think they are putting it on it's own CD |
| 20:56.45 | NightHawkAtWork | huh? |
| 20:56.47 | Icecoldcoke | I don't think that we should interrupt something then not beable to slow someone seconds after with a frost shock.. It's poor designing to have so many abilities on the same CD. |
| 20:57.09 | foxlit | drop a totem |
| 20:57.11 | foxlit | problem solves |
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| 20:57.13 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: if ES loses the interrupt, and wind shock is on it's own CD and off the GCD, where is the problem here? |
| 20:57.16 | foxlit | w/es/ed/ |
| 20:57.31 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawk, I'm talking about what I think they WILL do, not what they SHOULD do =) |
| 20:57.53 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: And I think you're giving them VASTLY less credit than they deserve. |
| 20:58.01 | Neuro_Medivh | From a design standpoint, adding Wind Shock has a low cost interrupt on the shock cooldown changes nothing in the Shaman Balance Equation |
| 20:58.04 | Icecoldcoke | I was just using that as an example, for elemental shaman it could be a flame shock then lava burst, but you can't do that if you want to interrupt someone. |
| 20:58.25 | Neuro_Medivh | because shaman previously had lvl 1 earthshock as a low cost interrupt |
| 20:58.47 | Neuro_Medivh | the only reason they are adding windshock is because they had to nerf lvl 1 earthshock with all the other downranked spells |
| 20:59.03 | Lunessa | ... wait, as a shaman main, i demand a link to this fabled Wind Shock! |
| 20:59.07 | Neuro_Medivh | so why redesign the whole shaman interrupt vs dmg dynamic, when you can just slide it in where lvl 1 earthshock was? |
| 20:59.12 | Icecoldcoke | The point is that every other class doesn't have to choose between damage and an interrupt. Mages can counterspell then do all their damage spells, rogues can do kick then all thier damages, warriors can pummel then all thier damage abilities, ETC.. |
| 20:59.16 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: wotlk.wowhead.com ... |
| 20:59.34 | Gnarfoz | if it doesn't have it, obviously mmo-champion.com :X |
| 20:59.34 | Neuro_Medivh | Icecold, you're assuming Earthshock is losing it's interrupt. I am not assuming that. |
| 20:59.37 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: the dynamic is -already- changed with wind shock being off the GCD |
| 20:59.52 | Icecoldcoke | WEll, if it doesn't then we pay 1k mana to interrupt, every other class doesn't have insane costs. |
| 20:59.59 | Lunessa | No such spell... |
| 21:00.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Icecold, which is why they added Windshock! |
| 21:00.26 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: it's not in yet |
| 21:00.28 | Neuro_Medivh | we can either nuke+interrupt in one blast, or cheap interrupt if we don't wanna burn 1k mana |
| 21:00.35 | Lunessa | And as of yesterday it was not available to me in beta. :P |
| 21:00.41 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: I really think you're overthinking this |
| 21:00.53 | Neuro_Medivh | No, that's just it |
| 21:01.00 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm assuming what the designers will do |
| 21:01.18 | Neuro_Medivh | they won't change earthshock at all, they'll just add in Windshock and throw it on the shock cooldown |
| 21:01.32 | Neuro_Medivh | it's the simplest way for them to achieve their design goal |
| 21:01.46 | NightHawkAtWork | But from a design standpoint, that's pretty patently absurd. |
| 21:01.53 | cbreak | why? |
| 21:01.54 | Neuro_Medivh | I never said it was smart =) |
| 21:02.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I said it was easiest... Occam's Razor and all that |
| 21:02.30 | Neuro_Medivh | if they remove the interrupt from ES, then they have to up it's dmg output OR lower it's mana cost |
| 21:02.30 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: which is my point, I don't think you're giving them enough credit to stop and think about that before jsut throwing it in. |
| 21:02.41 | cbreak | compare winters chill and imp. scorch. blizzard is not smart. |
| 21:03.02 | Neuro_Medivh | Unfortunately, NightHawk, I've played an Enh shaman for 2 years now, and in my experience the designers don't put too much thought into Shaman changes |
| 21:04.07 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: now, don't take this personally, but that's nothing but pure "wah wah, blizzard is dumb, and i'm so smart" whining. :P I've heard it before and 90% of the time it's a crock of shit form whiny people who havn't gotten what they wanted. :P |
| 21:04.18 | NightHawkAtWork | from* |
| 21:04.24 | Lunessa | still lookling for a link to this spell we're arguing about. |
| 21:04.25 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm not whining though... |
| 21:04.37 | foxlit | hm, spore is out? |
| 21:05.00 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm just saying, the changes to Shaman over the last year have almost always been shortsighted and needed changing shortly thereafter |
| 21:05.14 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: not officially/legally i dont think |
| 21:05.16 | Neuro_Medivh | not complaining about it, just stating it as my observation |
| 21:05.21 | Lunessa | Ah. Found it, but haven't seen it in game. |
| 21:05.23 | foxlit | [ http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/86112-Spore-Servers-Crap-Out-On-Launch-Day ] |
| 21:06.05 | Skate555-Laptop | ok either i have something set wrong or addonstudio doesn't support folding...i imagine it's the first possibility...anyone know where the option is hiddden?? |
| 21:06.22 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: as i said earlier, it's not in game yet |
| 21:06.28 | AckisWork | foxlit: spore isn't released in the US yet right? |
| 21:06.42 | Neuro_Medivh | case in point, when they changed Elemental Shaman like a year ago and gave them that talent that reduced the mana cost on next spell after a crit by 100%, they didn't realize how it would interact with the instant-crit talent that Shaman had... and like 2 weeks later nerfed the talent they just gave us |
| 21:07.07 | foxlit | AckisWork: oddly, no |
| 21:07.21 | foxlit | aus -> eu -> na is the sequence, for some reason |
| 21:08.02 | Lyn | does the ui extraction kit still work? i want to use some icons of wotlk or so :O |
| 21:08.07 | Gnarfoz | yes, it works |
| 21:08.14 | AckisWork | right, just wanted to make sure I didn't miss it |
| 21:08.21 | Lyn | okay :p |
| 21:09.14 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/09/05/funny-pictures-croiky-wut-a-beaut/ |
| 21:11.58 | Lunessa | Lyn: Be sure to put it in your WotLK folder/directory or it will extract live. :P |
| 21:12.20 | Lyn | thanks |
| 21:12.21 | Lyn | :P |
| 21:12.24 | Lyn | i know that xD |
| 21:12.34 | Lyn | http://www.geekologie.com/2008/09/05/enter-doorbell.jpg gief |
| 21:12.47 | Neuro_Medivh | I cannot believe that with their reputation for quality that EA would have issues on launch day! =) |
| 21:13.18 | nevcairiel | I hope everyone got the irony in that, or we end up with funny discussions later on :D |
| 21:13.28 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 21:13.32 | Lunessa | EA - The Boulevard of Broken Dreams. |
| 21:13.48 | Neuro_Medivh | well, perhaps they can get advice from Sony Online on how to do a proper launch |
| 21:14.30 | Neuro_Medivh | spore is that create-your-own-monster game right? |
| 21:14.39 | Lyn | yep |
| 21:14.59 | nevcairiel | wonder if its worth to get |
| 21:15.06 | Duman | woo |
| 21:15.11 | Duman | patch for sure today, hmm |
| 21:15.11 | Lyn | some say yes, some say no |
| 21:15.13 | Fisker- | depends nevcairiel |
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| 21:15.25 | Fisker- | If you're expecting to find insanely deep and complicated gameplay |
| 21:15.28 | Anaral | How you know Duman? |
| 21:15.28 | Fisker- | prepare to be surprised |
| 21:15.32 | Lyn | some people say the first 2-3 "phases" of spore are the best, rest is.. just there :p |
| 21:15.34 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9657705743&pageNo=2&sid=2000#23 |
| 21:15.39 | Fisker- | It's basically a sandbox, with little story attached |
| 21:15.55 | Fisker- | But the sandbox and customisation element is what makes the game what it is |
| 21:16.10 | nevcairiel | I didnt actually expect deep gameplay |
| 21:16.12 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 21:16.13 | NeoTron | so sim city |
| 21:16.25 | Lyn | what I want to know is... if every game you play (like you start with planet A) if its possible to visit your planet A with your new planet B (made with "new game", not per space ship) :x |
| 21:16.29 | NeoTron | there really isn't much to it except a sand box of a hypothetical city :P |
| 21:16.47 | Fisker- | You can visit yourself in a new game in the space phase |
| 21:16.53 | Lyn | thats nice |
| 21:16.55 | Fisker- | You can also find creatures you've made yourself |
| 21:17.02 | Lyn | okay thast sweet |
| 21:17.06 | Neuro_Medivh | can you enslave them? |
| 21:17.12 | Lyn | But i still dont like the sim games :P |
| 21:17.14 | NeoTron | not to mention in which other game can you make penis creatures? |
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| 21:17.19 | Fisker- | In tribal phase you can get creatures as pets |
| 21:17.27 | Lyn | I make a Fisker planet and own them |
| 21:17.28 | Lyn | .p |
| 21:17.30 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: i was waiting for someone to bring that up :P |
| 21:17.31 | Fisker- | or "pets" |
| 21:17.35 | Fisker- | i.e. you use them for food |
| 21:17.44 | Fisker- | kinda like how cows are a pet or something |
| 21:18.00 | Fisker- | i almost wiped out myself in another game |
| 21:18.05 | Lyn | owned |
| 21:18.29 | Fisker- | If you meet yourself from another game your actions will affect that game |
| 21:18.46 | NeoTron | now that is pretty cool |
| 21:18.46 | Lyn | I thought that would happen, yes |
| 21:18.46 | Lyn | If not, it would be boring |
| 21:18.49 | Dashkal | Fisker-: seriously? niiiice |
| 21:18.50 | Fisker- | for example i destroyed some of my(the other savegame) colonies and in the other savegame i no longer had those colonies |
| 21:18.57 | Neuro_Medivh | so I can create two planets then have them fight each other to see which one enslaves the other? |
| 21:19.00 | Lyn | haha |
| 21:19.05 | Fisker- | not entirely |
| 21:19.07 | Dashkal | I am so doing that |
| 21:19.11 | Dashkal | oh? |
| 21:19.21 | Fisker- | To not destroy the game you cannot destroy any of the 7 home planets |
| 21:19.37 | Fisker- | You can make 7 new games on 7 different planets |
| 21:19.45 | Fisker- | but those planets cannot be interacted with |
| 21:19.50 | Neuro_Medivh | bah |
| 21:19.52 | Lyn | awww that is shitty :p |
| 21:20.08 | Neuro_Medivh | I want a cosmic war of epic proportions |
| 21:20.11 | Fisker- | Well it's because it has like a main savegame which is the galaxy |
| 21:20.17 | Lyn | wipe out yourself! |
| 21:20.22 | Fisker- | So consider destroying yourself actually removing all of your savegames :D |
| 21:20.28 | Lyn | lol |
| 21:20.43 | Lyn | I thought you can make 2 "main" games and wipe them both out with a third :p |
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| 21:21.23 | Fisker- | only to the point where your other savegame only has his homeplanet left |
| 21:21.46 | Fisker- | it's also fun cause the AI takes your playstyle with it in the other game |
| 21:22.08 | Fisker- | So for example i couldn't get friends with myself because the other game i had wiped out a lot of stuff instead of going the social way |
| 21:22.13 | Lyn | I still wait for Red alert 3 and Fallout 3 ... no need for spore :P I loved the "rumor" wiith the mmo style of spore .. like playing with others in a galaxy etc |
| 21:22.34 | Fisker- | not entirely like that :P |
| 21:22.43 | foxlit | Tiberium might be more interesting than RA3 |
| 21:22.43 | Fisker- | it'll just seed the universe with random creatures |
| 21:22.45 | Neuro_Medivh | fallout3 makes me happy and sad at the same time |
| 21:22.58 | foxlit | In fact, bring on more vanilla C&C; RA seems to have taken a turn for the horrible |
| 21:23.04 | Lyn | foxlit, not for me, loved the red alert series (also generals) more than the original C&C |
| 21:23.10 | Neuro_Medivh | happy because, well, Fallout owns. Sad because it's Bethesda, and it won't be real fallout |
| 21:23.17 | Lyn | Neuro_Medivh, yep |
| 21:23.30 | Lyn | I miss the ... strategy like and such.. which fallout 1 and 2 had |
| 21:23.37 | foxlit | Meh |
| 21:23.40 | foxlit | Fallout 2 was a sandbox |
| 21:23.57 | Neuro_Medivh | fallout 3 looks more like "Elder Scrolls 5 - Fallout" |
| 21:23.59 | Lyn | but.. fallout 3 seems nice, but in germany it's censored :/ |
| 21:24.02 | foxlit | I mean, I presume you could fail horribly at whatever it is it meant for you to do |
| 21:24.04 | Lyn | no blood |
| 21:24.11 | Lyn | no disembering people |
| 21:24.12 | Lyn | etc |
| 21:24.13 | Lyn | :< |
| 21:24.14 | Fisker- | l2throwovergovernment Lyn |
| 21:24.14 | zenzelezz | I loved the original Red Alert, but RA2 and on were so different they lost all the RA feeling for me |
| 21:24.15 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:24.18 | foxlit | But I've never had enough patience to actually reach that boundary. |
| 21:24.20 | Lyn | Fisker-, yeah :< |
| 21:24.22 | Slakah1 | in australia |
| 21:24.35 | foxlit | RA, RA2 were fine; RA2 exansions and RA3 are just... meh. |
| 21:24.35 | Slakah1 | didn't they have to change the name of morphine |
| 21:25.02 | Lyn | I think I become an american and then I have the games uncut :p |
| 21:25.03 | Fisker- | RA2 Expansion would've been fine if it wasn't for Yuri being massively overpowered |
| 21:25.40 | Lyn | generals > RA :p |
| 21:25.42 | Lyn | haha |
| 21:25.46 | Slakah1 | Lyn: and a hell of a lot cheaper |
| 21:25.57 | foxlit | And generals was... not C&C |
| 21:26.03 | Lyn | Slakah1, yep, and HDTV... we still haven't real hd |
| 21:26.16 | foxlit | ZH cinematics were the only redeeming point, really. |
| 21:26.17 | Lyn | foxlit, yeah, but i loved it :) i LOVED the toxic terrorsits xD |
| 21:28.21 | Skate555-Laptop | foxlit what dont you like about ra3?? |
| 21:28.47 | foxlit | style |
| 21:29.34 | Skate555-Laptop | style wise isn't it supposed to be alot like c&c3?? |
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| 21:31.01 | foxlit | It goes for a far more cartoonish design |
| 21:31.54 | Skate555-Laptop | red alert 2 was suppost to be cartoonish...they wanted tiberium to be the serios series and ra to be the easygoing comical and insanely fast series... |
| 21:32.38 | Neuro_Medivh | C&C kinda screwed themselves... they had a great franchise, then waited too long to develop it, then overdeveloped it |
| 21:32.44 | Skate555-Laptop | dont ask me what they were thinking with generals...it doesn't seem to set itself apart much other than trying to feel more //real// |
| 21:33.24 | End | wasn't RA supposed to be a prequel for the original C&C? |
| 21:33.30 | Neuro_Medivh | sort of |
| 21:33.33 | Skate555-Laptop | no |
| 21:33.38 | torokokill | tiberium sun was just boring |
| 21:33.39 | Neuro_Medivh | more like a branch |
| 21:33.40 | Skate555-Laptop | by no means...totally different universe |
| 21:33.43 | End | ah |
| 21:33.44 | End | well |
| 21:33.45 | foxlit | timelines are a mess |
| 21:33.47 | End | Kane was in both |
| 21:33.54 | End | well, after RA2 nothing fits anymore :P |
| 21:34.04 | Skate555-Laptop | i've NEVER seen mention of cane in the RA universe |
| 21:34.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Officially, Kane timetravelled back after being defeated in C&C1 |
| 21:34.06 | foxlit | And Kane is a complete deus ex machina. |
| 21:34.19 | torokokill | tiberium wars was super boring |
| 21:34.22 | Fisker- | says who Neuro_Medivh ? |
| 21:34.25 | torokokill | just liiiike |
| 21:34.29 | torokokill | mammoth tank spam and win |
| 21:34.48 | Skate555-Laptop | i love tib3 myself |
| 21:34.51 | Neuro_Medivh | fairly sure there was a cut scene that explained it, along with Einstein 'killing' or somehow neutralizing Hitler |
| 21:35.14 | Fisker- | The only cinematic explaining kanes connection to RA is the one where he shoots Stalin |
| 21:35.17 | Skate555-Laptop | then again i've loved them all except renegade...and renegade could have easily redeamed itself by having a nod storyline aswell |
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| 21:35.44 | End | Skate555-Laptop: wikipedia claims RA was supposed to be a prequel at least, although that kinda got killed off in later games |
| 21:35.47 | Skate555-Laptop | yes einstine time traveled...they never talk about kane doing it |
| 21:36.06 | Skate555-Laptop | also RA1 is a different continuity than RA2 |
| 21:36.12 | End | oi |
| 21:36.21 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, I'll have to do research on it.. I'm almost positive that Kane was in RA because he timetravelled back after being defeated in C&C |
| 21:36.21 | End | maybe that's my confusion :P |
| 21:36.56 | Skate555-Laptop | i have them all and played them recently... |
| 21:37.06 | End | I haven't played them in a while |
| 21:37.13 | Skate555-Laptop | i may have seen kanes actor but i'm pretty sure it wasn't hte cane character |
| 21:37.15 | Neuro_Medivh | I haven't played them in 10 years |
| 21:37.16 | End | my memories a bit flakey |
| 21:37.31 | foxlit | youtube it :) |
| 21:37.34 | Skate555-Laptop | lolz my wife baught me first decade and 3 a month ago |
| 21:37.44 | foxlit | in particular, the c&c soviet ending |
| 21:38.02 | Skate555-Laptop | ra soviet you mean?? |
| 21:38.08 | Skate555-Laptop | no sovs in tib |
| 21:38.23 | foxlit | indeed. |
| 21:38.44 | smcn | in soviet russia, c&c ends you |
| 21:39.04 | Skate555-Laptop | god now i wanna play empire of the rising sun but i cant activate my beta till i free some HDD space |
| 21:39.07 | smcn | i'll be here all week |
| 21:39.59 | Fisker- | Anyways i think it's a good thing they seperated C&C and Red Alert |
| 21:40.02 | Stanzilla | I have the beta and cant play |
| 21:40.05 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:40.09 | Stanzilla | because their login servers are shit |
| 21:40.38 | Fisker- | Though you could've said that it was RA1->C&C1->C&C2->C&C3 and parallel timeline is RA2->RA3 |
| 21:42.14 | Skate555-Laptop | also even if cane went back in time to ra1 then it still isn't the same continuity because his presence would change the timeline |
| 21:42.33 | Skate555-Laptop | so ra1 will always and irevocably be in it's own timeline |
| 21:42.40 | Neuro_Medivh | wow... RA1 is now freeware |
| 21:42.44 | Fisker- | I remember someone saying that Kane might be the biblical equilicant of Cain |
| 21:42.48 | End | Neuro_Medivh: yeah, pretty recently |
| 21:42.52 | Fisker- | Something about Cain having multiple lives or something like that |
| 21:42.55 | Skate555-Laptop | really?? i saw that tib1 was freeware didn't see that about ra1 |
| 21:42.58 | zenzelezz | blame the RA1 timeline on a chronosphere mishap |
| 21:43.06 | Fisker- | And they theorize that Kane has the same, so infact he has lived for several hundred years |
| 21:43.11 | Skate555-Laptop | yes it is highly beleived in nod that kane is cain |
| 21:43.14 | zenzelezz | Skate555-Laptop: only was released as freeware earlier this week |
| 21:43.18 | End | it was a few weeks ago |
| 21:43.19 | zenzelezz | (RA1) |
| 21:43.22 | Lyn | mh |
| 21:43.22 | End | this week? |
| 21:43.23 | End | well |
| 21:43.25 | End | it was recent |
| 21:43.36 | Skate555-Laptop | biblicly cain was banished to the land of nod...go figure |
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| 21:44.02 | Neuro_Medivh | http://www.ea.com/redalert/news-detail.jsp?id=62 |
| 21:44.14 | Neuro_Medivh | dated Aug 31 |
| 21:44.19 | Neuro_Medivh | so Sunday |
| 21:44.33 | Skate555-Laptop | anyone want the first decade loader?? i could tell you the registry entries to use it...it is kinda nice having all of the first decade on one menu... |
| 21:45.12 | Neuro_Medivh | holy shit, did I just see Jenny McCarthy in the RA3 trailer? |
| 21:45.20 | Lyn | i still have the old box of red alert and expansion |
| 21:45.21 | Lyn | :x |
| 21:45.29 | Skate555-Laptop | lolz |
| 21:45.38 | Skate555-Laptop | good luck playing that on your xp/vista machine |
| 21:45.41 | Skate555-Laptop | you need gold |
| 21:45.46 | Lyn | it does not |
| 21:45.55 | Lyn | but who cares, i dont wanna play old games :P |
| 21:46.03 | Lyn | okay, may be old adventures! |
| 21:46.08 | Skate555-Laptop | is the ra that they released gold edition like with tib1?? |
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| 21:46.32 | bleetah | blizz should give away O&H |
| 21:46.37 | End | lol |
| 21:46.42 | End | yeah |
| 21:46.58 | Skate555-Laptop | orc and humans?? lolz that game was not as nastalgic to go back and play |
| 21:47.12 | Neuro_Medivh | LOL, I see Tim Curry, Sulu, and a shitload of other actors in this trailer |
| 21:47.18 | Skate555-Laptop | after wc2 wc1's interface felt so bad...lolz |
| 21:47.22 | Neuro_Medivh | like, REAL actors =) |
| 21:47.26 | End | yeah |
| 21:47.30 | Skate555-Laptop | dude real actors is nothing new |
| 21:47.32 | End | wc2 was far better than wc1 |
| 21:47.42 | Skate555-Laptop | look at the lineup from tib 2 and tib 3 |
| 21:48.01 | Skate555-Laptop | james earl jones for gods sakes |
| 21:48.22 | Neuro_Medivh | Reminds me of Wing Commander 3, with Mark Hamill |
| 21:48.29 | Skate555-Laptop | gahh!!! you guys are distracting me from my addon...shame on you |
| 21:48.36 | End | I have no shame. |
| 21:50.07 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, did anyone see Babylon A.D.? Any good? |
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| 21:52.07 | Skate555-Laptop | that the new one with deasle?? |
| 21:52.47 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah |
| 21:53.04 | Neuro_Medivh | it LOOKS interesting... but then, so did The Transporter |
| 21:53.55 | Skate555-Laptop | never saw transporter myself...but the comercial for this looks a little more far out... |
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| 21:55.55 | Neuro_Medivh | trailers are such lies these days |
| 21:55.56 | bleetah | transporter wasn't that bad... was a Luc Besson story after all :P |
| 21:56.11 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, but it was nowhere near as good as Fifth Element |
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| 21:56.28 | Neuro_Medivh | which is a movie I thought would be blah, and turned out much better than I expected |
| 21:56.42 | Dashkal | Fifth Element is one of my favorites |
| 21:56.47 | Skate555-Laptop | fifth element is hard to top though my friend |
| 21:57.26 | cbreak | I found it rather predictable |
| 21:57.43 | Neuro_Medivh | It's damn good... it's one of those movies where I went in expecting a worse movie than I got. |
| 21:57.55 | Neuro_Medivh | sadly, though, my usual experience is the reverse |
| 21:58.06 | cbreak | it had bruce willis. of course you would expect a bad movie. |
| 21:58.09 | Dashkal | I didn't find it 'predictable' so much as the events flowed pretty logicly |
| 21:58.11 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 21:58.34 | cbreak | the last bruce willis movie I liked was Unbreakable |
| 21:58.35 | Neuro_Medivh | well, Die Hard was awesome. Most everything else he did was mediocre |
| 21:58.45 | Skate555-Laptop | you guys cant claim to have any forsight that the damn stones were in diva's body... |
| 21:58.48 | Neuro_Medivh | until Pulp Fiction |
| 21:58.58 | Dashkal | Skate555-Laptop: no argument on that one |
| 21:59.27 | kd3 | hm, I need to rewatch pulp fiction. it's been a while |
| 21:59.41 | Dashkal | That movie was just outright random for me |
| 21:59.59 | Neuro_Medivh | Last movie I went in to see with far lower expectations than I got was probably Dark Knight... I fully thought it was gonna end up being overhyped |
| 22:00.17 | kd3 | I think that goes for everyone |
| 22:00.35 | Skate555-Laptop | anyway gotta get to work...need to regenerate ALL of my xml tabels from wowuidesigner to addon-studio since people wont stop giving me flack for using wowuidesigner |
| 22:00.41 | Dashkal | Dark Knight. I'm in a minority. The movie was extremely well done. Yet I find myself not even remotely excited about another one |
| 22:00.46 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah... I thought "Man, there's NO WAY this movie can be as good as everyone is claiming... they're just saying that cause of Heath Ledger" |
| 22:00.57 | Neuro_Medivh | actually |
| 22:01.13 | Neuro_Medivh | I'd be excited if the next movie had Johnny Depp playing the Riddler |
| 22:01.24 | Dashkal | That's what the rumor mill is already saying |
| 22:01.26 | Neuro_Medivh | that's the current rumor |
| 22:01.28 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah |
| 22:01.49 | Neuro_Medivh | just... not like friggin' Jim Carrey |
| 22:01.51 | Skate555-Laptop | didn't they already show harvy dench in the second one?? that's what i heard |
| 22:01.54 | bleetah | need a new Alien |
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| 22:01.59 | Skate555-Laptop | err riddler |
| 22:02.01 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: take a loot at jim in a serious role. He could do it |
| 22:02.01 | Skate555-Laptop | nvm i'm a git |
| 22:02.02 | foxlit | grr, Keychain |
| 22:02.14 | Dashkal | but no argument Depp would be better |
| 22:02.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Dash, he already did it in Batman Forever |
| 22:02.22 | Neuro_Medivh | and he was horrid |
| 22:02.25 | Shirik | I'll show you a new alien |
| 22:02.40 | Dashkal | Don't compare that set to this one. totally different atmosphere |
| 22:02.44 | Neuro_Medivh | Riddler is supposed to be a complete egomaniac, not some dork with an inferiority complex |
| 22:03.00 | Dashkal | Forever was campy as hell, and it was designed that way |
| 22:03.18 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, damn Shuemacher |
| 22:03.24 | Neuro_Medivh | or however you spell it |
| 22:03.37 | Skate555-Laptop | so do we know who is gonna play harvy in the new series?? |
| 22:03.39 | Dashkal | But I'm not kidding when I say that Jim Carrey could do the role properly. |
| 22:03.46 | Neuro_Medivh | Harvey is dead, dude |
| 22:03.52 | Neuro_Medivh | he died in Dark Knight |
| 22:04.01 | Skate555-Laptop | whah?? no damned 2face?? |
| 22:04.02 | End | </spoiler> |
| 22:04.08 | bleetah | aww they've removed the premades. and here I was looking forward to messing around as a scrub healer nub with beta healbot |
| 22:04.25 | Neuro_Medivh | spoilers? Everyone on the planet has seen that movie by now! |
| 22:04.26 | Dashkal | bleetah: Just do it on the premade realm :p |
| 22:04.32 | Skate555-Laptop | not i |
| 22:04.40 | Neuro_Medivh | then log off and go watch it |
| 22:04.41 | Dashkal | Skate555-Laptop: go fix that now :p |
| 22:04.43 | Skate555-Laptop | i hafta wait for bloody dvd to get in redbox |
| 22:04.49 | Dashkal | It's still in theaters |
| 22:05.06 | Skate555-Laptop | i only have 1 buck a week that i can SNEAK to movies |
| 22:05.08 | bleetah | Dashkal: might just have to.. I've got legions of fans I cannot disappoint them... |
| 22:05.08 | Neuro_Medivh | My apologies then, Skate... lemme say this, Two-face is in Dark Knight |
| 22:05.12 | Skate555-Laptop | my bills are exorbitent |
| 22:05.56 | Dashkal | ass rogues. your turn to comment on your talent tree |
| 22:06.05 | Skate555-Laptop | ok with harvy dead...the grayson's arent gonna be killed by dench then... |
| 22:06.26 | Neuro_Medivh | But back to the Riddler... he's supposed to be this egomaniac who believes he's smarter than everyone else, especially batman.. the riddles he leaves are his passive-aggressive way of exhibiting superiority. |
| 22:06.30 | bleetah | call me school bully, you ghastly little toad |
| 22:06.34 | Skate555-Laptop | you guys think their even gonna include boy blunder?? |
| 22:06.42 | bleetah | (tim tam and coffee for those who get the reference) |
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| 22:06.53 | Dashkal | Neuro_Medivh: yep yep. I get that. Here's hoping for Depp. He would do damn well in that role |
| 22:06.55 | Neuro_Medivh | his way of saying "It's your fault that hostage died... if you were smarter and solved my riddle, he would have lives" |
| 22:07.06 | Neuro_Medivh | lived |
| 22:07.08 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah |
| 22:07.43 | Neuro_Medivh | but I'm sure there are several actors who could do it... Ledger would never have been my choice for Joker, but he certainly pulled it off |
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| 22:08.31 | Skate555-Laptop | ok one of you who were lucky enough to see the damned movie tell me this: who was the better joker?? nickleson or ledger?? |
| 22:08.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Ledger |
| 22:09.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Nicholson was over the top... but Ledger's Joker, he terrified you. |
| 22:09.08 | kd3 | ledger's joker was creepy. nickelson's just... |
| 22:09.15 | kd3 | that ^ |
| 22:09.55 | Neuro_Medivh | that's what Dark Knight did perfectly, they conveyed exactly why the whole city was terrified of the Joker |
| 22:09.59 | Skate555-Laptop | damn...wth?...ok someone tell me jokers alter ego please?? |
| 22:10.08 | Neuro_Medivh | alter ego? |
| 22:10.11 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:10.32 | Skate555-Laptop | you know human name...before he went off the edge |
| 22:10.39 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 22:10.39 | Dashkal | They actually do mention it, but it wasn't important |
| 22:10.47 | Neuro_Medivh | no they don't |
| 22:10.48 | Dashkal | So I've completely forgotten |
| 22:11.00 | Neuro_Medivh | Nicholson's was called Jack Napier |
| 22:11.01 | Dashkal | Happens shortly after they bring him into the cop shop |
| 22:11.02 | Skate555-Laptop | ok how about in first movie or comic?? hell harlequin calls him by his human name all the time... |
| 22:11.27 | Neuro_Medivh | in the comic, it's claimed his original name was Jack Napier |
| 22:11.37 | Neuro_Medivh | but they've redone his origin so many times |
| 22:11.38 | Anaral | Well I got a patch from the downloader, It's 8905... but it's not letting me download, says, "This Download is not authorized." |
| 22:11.45 | Dashkal | Was Harlequin in the first movie? I can't remember anymore |
| 22:11.49 | Neuro_Medivh | No |
| 22:11.56 | Skate555-Laptop | do dr, harlequin called him jack?? |
| 22:11.58 | Dashkal | Poor Harle |
| 22:12.02 | Dashkal | No love |
| 22:12.16 | Neuro_Medivh | Harlequin actually was created from the Animated Series, and the character was so popular they wrote her into the comic |
| 22:12.40 | Skate555-Laptop | actually her non clown persona was in the comic first |
| 22:12.43 | Neuro_Medivh | I still think Mark Hamill would have made a good joker for Dark knight |
| 22:13.16 | Neuro_Medivh | Skate: Not according to wikipedia |
| 22:13.31 | End | did Mark Hamill voice it in TAS? |
| 22:13.38 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, End |
| 22:13.44 | End | ok, I knew he voiced someone |
| 22:13.48 | Neuro_Medivh | and his voice of the joker is excellent |
| 22:13.55 | End | yeah, IIRC |
| 22:14.04 | Skate555-Laptop | dr harly quintuple or whatever?? yeah the animated series decided to make her go nutso and join joker full on and the comic followed suit but harly herself was in the comic first |
| 22:14.06 | End | I haven't seen it in a while ;-) |
| 22:14.17 | Skate555-Laptop | my dad still has the comic where she first lets joker escape |
| 22:14.30 | bleetah | Anaral: yeah, same 'unauthorised' here too |
| 22:14.53 | Anaral | Waits, and pokes at the downloader. |
| 22:14.55 | Skate555-Laptop | ohh dude they released another patch?? how big?? |
| 22:14.55 | Neuro_Medivh | "Harley Quinn first appeared in the Batman: The Animated Series episode "Joker's Favor" (episode #22, original airdate: September 11, 1992)" |
| 22:15.12 | foxlit | fascinating |
| 22:15.13 | Anaral | bleetah: Not that big of an update, only 108mb |
| 22:15.25 | Skate555-Laptop | that is her clown persona's name neuro |
| 22:15.30 | foxlit | iTunes offers you to buy the "Horrible Theme", length 0:09 for its normal song price |
| 22:15.38 | foxlit | The preview is also 9 seconds long. |
| 22:15.57 | Skate555-Laptop | so on my connection 8 hours... |
| 22:17.13 | bleetah | Anaral: aye, but it's not giving me any of it :( |
| 22:17.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Skate, dunno what to tell ya man, the research I'm looking at states that it was originally on the Animated Series then written into the comics |
| 22:17.21 | Anaral | Me either |
| 22:17.39 | Dashkal | Kalgan: "Hardiness is being changed to a 15% duration reduction on stuns. In fact, the next update (not today's) will have a large number of changes to racials. " |
| 22:18.00 | Anaral | Shirik could you please do your thing and get us the update that WoW won't? |
| 22:18.01 | Skate555-Laptop | Neuro_Medivh what i'm trying to explain is YES the clown was cartoon first...but the doctor was not... |
| 22:18.07 | End | Dashkal: :o |
| 22:18.11 | Shirik | huh? |
| 22:18.13 | AckisWork | Dashkal: OMG OMG TROLL RACIALS?!?!?! |
| 22:18.16 | bleetah | Anaral: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9658356045&sid=2000#1 |
| 22:18.32 | Dashkal | AckisWork: please direct all humpings toward Kalgan. |
| 22:18.35 | bleetah | Datth's sayin it's 'coz they're still under maint |
| 22:18.52 | AckisWork | Dashkal: already on it |
| 22:18.54 | Anaral | bleetah: Bah! |
| 22:19.55 | Neuro_Medivh | oooh, Dexter ep 1 was leaked... bless you Showtime |
| 22:22.19 | AckisWork | "Trolls did gain The Voodoo Shuffle. I'll elaborate later." |
| 22:22.28 | Icecoldcoke | WUT |
| 22:22.29 | Icecoldcoke | LIES |
| 22:22.43 | AckisWork | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9658356014&sid=2000&pageNo=2#37 |
| 22:22.44 | NightHawkAtWork | omg. voodoo shuffle? we'll totally pwn the dance floor. |
| 22:23.16 | Skate555-Laptop | well i need to work so i'm leaving this room for now...ttyl guy |
| 22:23.17 | Skate555-Laptop | s |
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| 22:24.21 | smcn | torrent for 8905? |
| 22:24.27 | smcn | wtb pst? |
| 22:24.35 | Icecoldcoke | Hopefully this update includes the new rank water shield.. |
| 22:24.42 | Shirik | ~irc |
| 22:24.43 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 22:24.47 | bleetah | Anaral: it seems to have started off now |
| 22:24.47 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, downloader works now |
| 22:24.52 | Anaral | The download is not authorized, and Scytheblade is not available |
| 22:25.04 | bleetah | Anaral: restart the downloader |
| 22:25.06 | Anaral | Woot |
| 22:25.07 | smcn | i'm downloading fine atm |
| 22:25.13 | smcn | but i just started 5 seconds ago |
| 22:25.16 | Icecoldcoke | Estimated time - 78 minutes. |
| 22:25.20 | NightHawkAtWork | bleh, i wont be home for a few hours yet. |
| 22:25.24 | Anaral | I was typing the above when you sent the first message. |
| 22:26.04 | NightHawkAtWork | couse, realms probably wont be up for as long anyway >.> |
| 22:26.21 | Anaral | I've got 30ish minutes |
| 22:27.13 | NeoTron | omg omg where's the list of changes! gesh |
| 22:27.26 | Icecoldcoke | RIGHT HERE : ircanhaschanges.com |
| 22:27.45 | smcn | irc anhasch anges? |
| 22:28.26 | NightHawkAtWork | mmm... anhasch anges... |
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| 22:28.45 | Shirik | Were you looking for: ir can has changes |
| 22:28.45 | Shirik | We did not find any results for ircanhaschanges.com. |
| 22:28.46 | Shirik | :( |
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| 22:29.07 | Shirik | Try one of these related suggestions: |
| 22:29.08 | Shirik | Change My MSN Password |
| 22:29.15 | Shirik | I love how Microsoft sneaks that one in |
| 22:29.36 | Icecoldcoke | Lulz. |
| 22:29.55 | Icecoldcoke | Your search - ircanhaschanges.com - did not match any documents. |
| 22:29.55 | Icecoldcoke | Suggestions: |
| 22:29.55 | Icecoldcoke | Make sure all words are spelled correctly. |
| 22:29.55 | Icecoldcoke | Try different keywords. |
| 22:29.55 | Icecoldcoke | Try more general keywords. |
| 22:30.06 | Icecoldcoke | Oops it made new lines for everything. |
| 22:30.50 | bleetah | wish they'd suggest 'huff moar'.. would make stuff interesting |
| 22:32.06 | erikd | can anyone point me in the direction of the patch torrent? |
| 22:32.16 | erikd | i can't launch wow over rdp =/ |
| 22:32.47 | Anaral | NeoTron: And you thought you were just kidding: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9658136044&sid=2000 |
| 22:33.58 | NeoTron | Anaral: but.. updated patch notes are fail since they don't include most little changes :P |
| 22:34.15 | NeoTron | except I guess in this case theer might be significant changes |
| 22:34.32 | Anaral | lol |
| 22:34.45 | Anaral | Aye. But these dimwits don't realize this, apparently. |
| 22:34.49 | cbreak | the EU login server seems to be so down it doesn't even notice that my password is wrong, and doesn't offer a downloader yet either |
| 22:37.25 | Dashkal | I see people claiming downloads, but nobody reporting any progress yet. "Download not authorized" |
| 22:37.33 | Sixen | *sigh* at all the people asking if they need Beta Keys for the PTr |
| 22:37.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Hjalte (n=chatzill@62.242.38.50) |
| 22:37.42 | kd3 | dash; I'm 46% done |
| 22:37.47 | Dashkal | woot |
| 22:37.55 | Dashkal | danke for that, kd3 |
| 22:38.14 | End | I'm 92% done |
| 22:38.27 | End | less than 2 minutes |
| 22:38.29 | Dashkal | Sixen: I don't know how you manage to keep doing it, but thank you. |
| 22:38.50 | bleetah | Dashkal: restart yer downloader, if yer stuck @ 'unauth' |
| 22:38.58 | Anaral | NeoTron: A negative on them updating the patch notes at all. |
| 22:39.05 | End | now I'm patching |
| 22:39.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Esine (i=dbguy@tohveli.net) |
| 22:39.29 | Dashkal | bleetah: I'm at work. Short of an http mirror, I won't be able to start a download until I get home. |
| 22:39.51 | bleetah | ah |
| 22:39.54 | Icecoldcoke | 72%.. less than 4minutes. |
| 22:40.17 | Sixen | Dashkal: Hehe, =) |
| 22:40.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Nargiddley (n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 22:40.52 | smcn | "The level cap is currently set to 77." i'm calling it here, that this patch note will make it to live |
| 22:41.07 | smcn | :P |
| 22:41.28 | Anaral | lol |
| 22:42.20 | NeoTron | so when I get home in the evenign I start my patcher |
| 22:42.32 | NeoTron | download in a few miutes, and patch while eating dinner or what not |
| 22:42.44 | NeoTron | it used to be pain and suffering to download a patch but I haven't seen that in a long time |
| 22:43.25 | Dashkal | *nods* the beta patches have been nice and quick. I'm not to worried about having to download it |
| 22:43.36 | Icecoldcoke | It's going to be sad going back to the patches once per century on the live servers. |
| 22:43.45 | Fisker- | nice and quick like your mom lolol |
| 22:44.00 | Dashkal | I've got my router doing QoS on bittorrent so I don't tend to see the choking-itself-to-death bit |
| 22:44.35 | Dashkal | funny though. I didn't think I had it setup right to avoid that issue *shrugs and doesn't argue* |
| 22:44.51 | Icecoldcoke | Looks like wotlkwiki is preparing for updates.. main page has the class sections ready for action! :p |
| 22:45.15 | NeoTron | Icecoldcoke: I hope that they will have reasonbly frequent patches to tweak all the stuff from beta |
| 22:45.20 | NeoTron | not once every blue moon :P |
| 22:45.49 | Dashkal | early BC was pretty patch-happy wasn't it? |
| 22:46.33 | bleetah | very |
| 22:47.12 | Dashkal | not too worried then. We'll get our tweaks once the zombie horde gets its claws on WotLK |
| 22:48.29 | Icecoldcoke | This forum is currently undergoing maintenance, please check back at a later time. /cry |
| 22:48.39 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, early BC had 2-3 tiny patches, but 2.1 took like 5 months to come out |
| 22:49.00 | kd3 | aight. patching now. diffs going out after I have dinner |
| 22:49.20 | Shirik | cp ./ScytheBlade1 ~ |
| 22:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:49.26 | ScytheBlade1 | mv rather |
| 22:49.27 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm sure MMO-champ is already mining the patch =) |
| 22:49.32 | Shirik | eh, yeah |
| 22:49.33 | bleetah | I thought 2.0.0 went up to 2.0.12 or something |
| 22:49.35 | bleetah | that ain't tiny |
| 22:49.47 | Fisker- | i'm mining your mother etc. |
| 22:49.49 | End | it skipped a few numbers though |
| 22:49.50 | Fisker- | btw hai Shirik |
| 22:49.55 | Shirik | btw hai |
| 22:49.55 | End | and a good deal were localization I think |
| 22:50.05 | End | so US only saw like 4 or 5 patches |
| 22:50.07 | Fisker- | wasn't that because there were a few korean patches as well? |
| 22:50.14 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 22:50.15 | Fisker- | :I |
| 22:50.24 | Neuro_Medivh | well, BC release was 2.0.3 for starters |
| 22:50.47 | bleetah | ... whether translation errors fro nonUS or not... still quite a number of minor patches :P |
| 22:50.55 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, fully downloaded and patched! |
| 22:51.00 | End | to me, it's not |
| 22:51.05 | End | because I didn't see most of them :P |
| 22:51.12 | bleetah | GO JIMMY |
| 22:51.45 | Neuro_Medivh | LOL, unable to validate game version |
| 22:51.55 | End | oh yeah |
| 22:52.03 | End | I didn't even try running the game after patching |
| 22:52.37 | Anaral | Neuro_Medivh: Same here. |
| 22:52.52 | End | yeah. Iget that too now |
| 22:53.11 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvaan (n=sylvanaa@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 22:53.29 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, the forums are down as well |
| 22:54.17 | Anaral | Yep |
| 22:54.36 | Icecoldcoke | Probably to stop OMG R THERE GOING TO BE PREMADES on the PTR forums and OMG WAI CANT EYE CONNECT TWO SERVAR ON TEH BETA |
| 22:54.58 | Lyn | haste, is it possible to show spell ranks inside the ouf castbar? |
| 22:55.08 | bleetah | WHERES TEH PTR?!?!?!? |
| 22:55.25 | Anaral | I ate it |
| 22:55.30 | Anaral | It was tasty |
| 22:56.00 | NightHawkAtWork | Heh, jonathan coulton & felicia day sing 'still alive' at pax.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfyeJ6CX0vI |
| 22:56.09 | Industrial | hd died, cant wow |
| 22:56.16 | Industrial | not why, I *meltdown* |
| 22:56.18 | Lyn | :x |
| 22:56.30 | Icecoldcoke | OMG NEW SHAMAN GLYPHS |
| 22:56.39 | NightHawkAtWork | Icecoldcoke: link? |
| 22:56.41 | Industrial | url? |
| 22:56.46 | Industrial | ----^ |
| 22:56.48 | Icecoldcoke | http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Main_Page |
| 22:56.49 | Icecoldcoke | lol |
| 22:56.52 | Lyn | really? "+1 Hawtness in ghostwolf form"? |
| 22:57.20 | Lyn | # Glyph of Water Breathing - Your Water Breathing spell no longer requires a reagent. |
| 22:57.20 | Lyn | # Glyph of Water Walking - Your Water Walking spell no longer requires a reagent. |
| 22:57.22 | Lyn | okay thats hot |
| 22:57.29 | End | NightHawkAtWork: that's awesome |
| 22:57.44 | Icecoldcoke | Sigh at a glyph for reincarnation.. why should we have to spec and make glyphs for an ability that revolves around death. |
| 22:57.44 | NightHawkAtWork | End: I'm beginning to really regret not going to pax this year... |
| 22:57.51 | End | hehe |
| 22:58.00 | NightHawkAtWork | Icecoldcoke: well, you don't HAVE to.. |
| 22:58.22 | Duman | whee, forums down |
| 22:58.22 | Duman | WHATEVER WILL I DO NOW |
| 22:58.24 | haste | Lyn: it's possible, but not really easy :p |
| 22:58.25 | Icecoldcoke | I know, I mean they should be included in the ability. |
| 22:58.39 | NightHawkAtWork | Icecoldcoke: why? the ability is fine enough as it is |
| 22:58.40 | haste | Lyn: I can add some post calls next week thoo |
| 22:58.46 | Lyn | sweet :) |
| 22:58.47 | Industrial | Duman: cry, run around in dispair bumping into everything solid? |
| 22:58.49 | Icecoldcoke | Not really. |
| 22:58.52 | Icecoldcoke | Glyph of Drain Soul Your Drain Soul ability occasionally creates an additional soul shard. |
| 22:58.54 | Icecoldcoke | nerf |
| 22:59.02 | NightHawkAtWork | if you want to us the talent points/glyphs to improve it thats your perogative. |
| 22:59.03 | Industrial | woa |
| 22:59.05 | End | lol |
| 22:59.10 | Industrial | Icecoldcoke: thats rediculous |
| 22:59.12 | NightHawkAtWork | there's no shortage of ponits to get past that level in the resto tree |
| 22:59.12 | Icecoldcoke | Glyph of Kilrogg Increases the movement speed of your Eye of Kilrogg by $s1% and allows it to fly in areas where flying mounts are enabled. |
| 22:59.13 | Icecoldcoke | :O |
| 22:59.19 | End | ooooo |
| 22:59.27 | End | that one is actually cool, and useful if its a minor |
| 22:59.41 | Icecoldcoke | Fly into icecrown and explore.. yes? |
| 22:59.48 | NightHawkAtWork | "Glyph of Souls Your Ritual of Souls spell no longer requires a Soul Shard. " |
| 22:59.52 | NightHawkAtWork | nice. |
| 22:59.57 | Fisker- | FAIL |
| 23:00.00 | Fisker- | listed under druids: |
| 23:00.02 | Fisker- | "Glyph of the Black Wolf You appears as a black wolf when using your Ghost Wolf spell" |
| 23:00.02 | bleetah | is the penguin poly in? |
| 23:00.10 | Duman | where is SBO |
| 23:00.13 | Duman | I need patch @ now |
| 23:00.13 | Duman | ;) |
| 23:00.18 | bleetah | hah |
| 23:00.19 | Icecoldcoke | FAIL but :O |
| 23:00.26 | Fisker- | forest lynx is going to be popular though |
| 23:00.27 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 23:00.38 | Icecoldcoke | I hope those things are minor glyphs.. no reagents ghost wolf visual etc. |
| 23:00.48 | Icecoldcoke | Tehre are too many major glyphs already |
| 23:01.06 | Lyn | i want polar bear CUB instead of just a polar bear glyph for druid :x |
| 23:01.07 | Fisker- | They said that visuals and stuff would be minors |
| 23:01.33 | NightHawkAtWork | Icecoldcoke: skin changes almost certainly are minor |
| 23:01.38 | NightHawkAtWork | there's no way they can justify them being major :p |
| 23:01.43 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 23:01.45 | Sixen | wow forums still down? yes? |
| 23:01.48 | Fisker- | They fixed the authenticator popup |
| 23:01.52 | End | anything convienance or aesthetic will be minor I think |
| 23:01.53 | Fisker- | Only took them ~2 months |
| 23:01.54 | Fisker- | good job |
| 23:01.56 | Icecoldcoke | Glyph of the Arctic Wolf You appears as an arctic wolf when using your Ghost Wolf spell. I think mI like that one more than the black wolf |
| 23:02.09 | NightHawkAtWork | "Glyph of the Bear Cub Your Polymorph: Sheep spell polymorphs the target into a polar bear cub instead." |
| 23:02.25 | bleetah | omg must have |
| 23:02.29 | Industrial | Icecoldcoke: same |
| 23:02.30 | Icecoldcoke | How will anyone attack a cute little bear cub, good logic there :o |
| 23:02.34 | bleetah | as long as it don't over-write pig |
| 23:02.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Gryphen (n=gryphon@c-76-22-0-105.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 23:02.57 | Industrial | hmm pig :3 makes me pig'ing a mob names spider is the best |
| 23:02.58 | NightHawkAtWork | Icecoldcoke: tell that the cruel hunters taming the bear mothers! /cry :p |
| 23:03.05 | Industrial | -makes me, :S |
| 23:03.32 | Icecoldcoke | I like hexing mobs.. turning things like a deer into a frog. lol |
| 23:06.46 | NeoTron | Fisker-: waht was wrong with it? |
| 23:07.40 | Duman | so |
| 23:07.44 | Duman | anyone have a link for 8905? |
| 23:08.19 | NeoTron | man those lock glyphs suck |
| 23:08.28 | End | I like the eye of kilrogg one |
| 23:08.38 | End | it's not that useful, but I'd use it if it is minor |
| 23:09.03 | NeoTron | if I'd see "glyph of no soul shards" => no longer need soul shards, ever |
| 23:09.05 | NeoTron | that'd be good :P |
| 23:09.09 | Duman | holy shit |
| 23:09.16 | End | they wouldn't do that |
| 23:09.18 | Duman | the new warrior talent in prot = wow |
| 23:09.18 | Esamynn | HAHA |
| 23:09.24 | Fisker- | NeoTron you had to restart the client if you had to login more than once |
| 23:09.29 | NeoTron | the amount of bagspace I have on my DK is one reason I realy like the DK |
| 23:09.36 | NeoTron | Fisker-: I never had to but alas |
| 23:09.46 | End | people laughed at me when I bought the 32 slot bags |
| 23:09.48 | Fisker- | Well you're US |
| 23:09.48 | Duman | "Damage Shield" = Whenever you take dmg form or block a melee attack you ause damage equal to 10/20% of your block value |
| 23:09.49 | Esamynn | Duman: link? |
| 23:09.51 | End | but I have money! |
| 23:09.52 | Fisker- | so your servers don't suck |
| 23:09.54 | End | and too many shards! |
| 23:10.10 | Duman | mmo-champ already mined the patch... check their pages |
| 23:10.12 | Icecoldcoke | mmo-champion has new talent calculator |
| 23:10.23 | Esamynn | "ause" ? |
| 23:10.28 | Duman | cause |
| 23:10.28 | Esamynn | that a typo? |
| 23:10.31 | Duman | my typo |
| 23:10.32 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 23:10.51 | End | wow |
| 23:10.56 | End | shadow embrace is weird now |
| 23:11.20 | End | not really worth it outside of raiding though |
| 23:11.27 | End | since you can't really stack it while leveling |
| 23:11.48 | ckknight | anyone have a framexml diff for the patch? |
| 23:11.54 | bleetah | kd3: *New Skill* Mirror Image (80) -Â Creates 3 copies of the caster nearby, which cast spells and attack the mage's enemies. Lasts 30 sec. 10% of base mana, Instant cast, 3 min cooldown. |
| 23:11.56 | End | (and pvp) |
| 23:12.18 | ckknight | bleetah: sweet |
| 23:12.20 | End | actually, that's annoying for pvp |
| 23:12.24 | End | unless you're throwing shadowbolts |
| 23:12.38 | End | which, I doubt |
| 23:12.41 | Esamynn | whoa, a 60s duration on Abolish Poison?!?!?1 |
| 23:12.42 | NightHawkAtWork | hm, is it just me or did they nerf frost strike? |
| 23:13.24 | Icecoldcoke | I hope so. |
| 23:13.45 | Icecoldcoke | Esamynn: Incoming never ending rogue QQ. |
| 23:14.31 | Industrial | rogue qq? gtfo. |
| 23:14.50 | Industrial | embodiment of evil tricky back stabbing fuckers, whats there to whine? |
| 23:15.08 | ReAn | anyone know if there's a way to upload to the Beta Tab in a mod project without coming from the SVN? |
| 23:15.08 | NeoTron | NightHawkAtWork: they nerfed DK's period? |
| 23:15.10 | End | whoa |
| 23:15.30 | Industrial | the only thing a rogue can do is be anoying. |
| 23:15.31 | End | new affliction talent |
| 23:15.33 | End | pandemic |
| 23:15.41 | Industrial | End: whats it do |
| 23:15.43 | Icecoldcoke | wtb new shaman things. |
| 23:15.44 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: well, i was expecting that in general, i was just wondering if frost strike cchanged or if i'm misrememering it. |
| 23:15.49 | End | something to do with crit |
| 23:15.56 | bleetah | wtb: new engi stuffs |
| 23:16.08 | Industrial | Icecoldcoke: what like "all lightning bolts now attack 3 targets" ? :P |
| 23:16.26 | Industrial | nah that'd be a little to op :< |
| 23:16.27 | Anaral | Err, are you guys ingame? I'm still getting the error? |
| 23:16.28 | End | Each time you deal damage with UA or corruption, you have a chance equal to your spell crit strike to deal 33% damage |
| 23:16.33 | End | 3 ranks |
| 23:16.35 | Icecoldcoke | Industrial: Each time you deal damage with Corruption or Unstable Affliction, you have a chance equal to your spell critical strike chance to deal 100% additional damage. |
| 23:16.36 | End | up to 100% damage |
| 23:16.41 | Industrial | oh damn, thats nice End |
| 23:16.47 | End | so dots get crits with a talent :P |
| 23:16.51 | NeoTron | so two dots get crit |
| 23:16.54 | End | yeah |
| 23:16.57 | End | but |
| 23:17.02 | End | it's better than default spell crit even |
| 23:17.09 | Industrial | imagine the ticks in big pvp like av :O |
| 23:17.21 | End | so it's not shitty |
| 23:17.27 | Dashkal | oh good, more form glyphs. I was starting to fear we'd just have a billion red cats |
| 23:17.30 | NeoTron | still doesn't solve affliction scaling though |
| 23:17.35 | End | not entirely |
| 23:17.40 | NeoTron | haste for example |
| 23:17.40 | End | it helps itemization though |
| 23:18.11 | End | I'm not convinced haste is actually a problem if the spell damage coefficients don't suck |
| 23:18.23 | Dashkal | *jawdrop* * Abolish Poison now lasts 1 minute. |
| 23:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm slow, thank school. Anyone who doesn't have enUS PC yet, I have it up in the usual place, verified correctly. |
| 23:18.47 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: o_0? |
| 23:18.48 | NeoTron | you can't tell me a bit of crit on two dots would suddently make affliction locks competetive DPS :P |
| 23:19.01 | Dashkal | NightHawkAtWork: on mmo-champion's update page |
| 23:19.07 | End | I don't know |
| 23:19.20 | Icecoldcoke | *jawdrop* Cleanse now applies a buff that cures a poison, disease, and curse effect every 5 seconds for 1minute. |
| 23:19.20 | End | before affliction scaled mostly with spell damage |
| 23:19.23 | NeoTron | I pretty much think I'm done with locks |
| 23:19.27 | Icecoldcoke | not rly |
| 23:19.28 | Icecoldcoke | I lie. |
| 23:19.28 | NeoTron | End: it still does |
| 23:19.29 | End | but destro was still getting double the damage |
| 23:19.43 | NeoTron | it scales a little bit more with crit |
| 23:19.44 | Dashkal | My druid just stopped fearing rogues nearly as much. Wound poison just won't stick anymore |
| 23:20.13 | End | I think 3 points is probably too much though for that talent |
| 23:20.18 | Esamynn | Dashkal: where are you seeing more form glyphs? |
| 23:20.21 | Icecoldcoke | Abolish Poison - This ability no longer cures poison effects, instead, we have replaced it with a useless ability that empties your mana pool. |
| 23:20.25 | Esine | is there any developer addon which could show contents of (any) table? |
| 23:20.27 | Dashkal | Esamynn: wotlkwiki.info |
| 23:20.41 | Esine | I need to debug my addon and I don't feel like adding tens of print()s |
| 23:20.42 | Dashkal | Esine: you may have it already. /dump |
| 23:20.44 | Esine | oh |
| 23:20.44 | Dashkal | ~devtools |
| 23:20.45 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 23:20.52 | Dashkal | if you don't have dump, that'll get it for you |
| 23:20.58 | Esine | thanks. I don't. |
| 23:22.36 | Esamynn | ~lart Icecoldcoke |
| 23:22.36 | purl | slams Icecoldcoke against a large cement Tux |
| 23:22.36 | Esine | Dashkal, /dump is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks! |
| 23:22.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.savagechickens.com/2008/09/something-to-live-for.html |
| 23:22.56 | Dashkal | welcome |
| 23:22.58 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.06 | Esamynn | yes, yes it is |
| 23:23.12 | Dashkal | ~rmallet Icecoldcoke |
| 23:23.13 | purl | ACTION beats Icecoldcoke about the head and shoulders with a rubber mallet |
| 23:23.56 | End | I'm glad wowhead is slow on updating their calculator |
| 23:24.08 | Icecoldcoke | ~parry Dashkal |
| 23:24.13 | End | easier to see what changed :P |
| 23:24.14 | Icecoldcoke | ~parry |
| 23:24.15 | Icecoldcoke | ? |
| 23:24.17 | Icecoldcoke | :( |
| 23:24.37 | Esamynn | ~fail Icecoldcoke |
| 23:24.38 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Icecoldcoke. I hate you because you fail. |
| 23:24.48 | Gnarfoz | what kind of wow events and query functions would I go looking for if I want to find an addon that gives me a 2-3sec freeze each time I die in a raid? :\ |
| 23:25.17 | Dashkal | Unholy command isn't affecting dark command anymore? |
| 23:25.52 | NeoTron | frost strike got hit hard |
| 23:26.00 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: probably to normalize taunts across the tanks. |
| 23:26.12 | Dashkal | ouch, frost strike really got hit |
| 23:26.18 | Dashkal | NightHawkAtWork: yeah, suppose so there |
| 23:26.27 | Icecoldcoke | NeoTron: Good. |
| 23:26.32 | Dashkal | I wonder if I should keep those two points or just take 5% dodge |
| 23:26.36 | NeoTron | ans scourge strike even more so |
| 23:26.58 | Dashkal | SS still looks ok. |
| 23:27.03 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: for tanking, dodge, for pvp.. probably still worth it for faster DGs |
| 23:27.12 | Dashkal | it's all shadow damage |
| 23:27.22 | Dashkal | NightHawkAtWork: leveling + tanking when I do instances. pvp avoided |
| 23:27.34 | Icecoldcoke | Paladin - Hammer of Wrath - Cast time now instant NERFNERFNERFNERF |
| 23:27.42 | NeoTron | remains to be seen :) |
| 23:27.47 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: I'd probably take the dodge then. DG is nice, but i don't see it being neccessary at less than 35s |
| 23:27.56 | NeoTron | it should be nerfed but we have to evaluate if what they ended up with is "ok" |
| 23:27.57 | NightHawkAtWork | Icecoldcoke: meh, thats no big deal |
| 23:28.03 | Dashkal | mmm, yeah. even with the talent it's usually only ever other pull |
| 23:28.24 | Icecoldcoke | It sort of is. |
| 23:28.28 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, you dont even need it every pull most of the time, in instances |
| 23:28.39 | Dashkal | ok, got my build. Now hoping DRM actually farking well _works_ for once |
| 23:28.46 | NightHawkAtWork | er, "even in instances" rather |
| 23:28.51 | Icecoldcoke | Wintergrasp Defeat - Grants the losing team 500 honor and 50 arena points for participating in Wintergrasp. |
| 23:29.03 | Dashkal | *blinks* |
| 23:29.07 | Dashkal | I.will.so.be.there |
| 23:29.31 | NightHawkAtWork | heh, I think i might actually pvp in wintergrasp come release |
| 23:29.32 | bleetah | have they reset the premade count yet? =)) |
| 23:29.52 | Esamynn | bleetah: you cannot copy pre-mades at all atm |
| 23:29.55 | Icecoldcoke | Hopefully that isn't their "We'll fix team size imbalances" by giving the losing people honor / arena points. |
| 23:30.11 | Esamynn | I very much doubt it, Icecoldcoke |
| 23:30.15 | NeoTron | if your wpn hits for 500, SS changed from (without any modifiers from tlaents etc) 1988 to 914 dmg |
| 23:30.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably old news but |
| 23:30.23 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 23:30.25 | ScytheBlade1 | "Actually, the premades being available on the existing realms was a mistake. They are being removed. There will be a specific premade realm." |
| 23:30.29 | ScytheBlade1 | WIN |
| 23:30.37 | Esamynn | heh |
| 23:30.41 | Dashkal | Icecoldcoke: the objectives are supposed to get easier for the losing side |
| 23:30.49 | Icecoldcoke | It's not old news, it's prehistoric news. :) |
| 23:30.53 | bleetah | ScytheBlade1: I believe it'll be called Murmur |
| 23:30.55 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: we gonna start a guild there? |
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| 23:31.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: I have no idea |
| 23:31.06 | bleetah | ckknight: we totally should |
| 23:31.19 | ckknight | I think it'd be a good idea |
| 23:31.39 | ckknight | cause, I mean, I'd rather test stuff on a lvl 80 dude than on a lvl 55 dk |
| 23:31.43 | Dashkal | I'll copy over a DK if we're going to. |
| 23:31.51 | Dashkal | but I still want to finish Dash to 80 |
| 23:32.09 | bleetah | ckknight: quite true |
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| 23:32.53 | NightHawkAtWork | ckknight: well, if its a pvp server, i'd still rather test shit on pve :p |
| 23:32.59 | Neuro_Medivh | hmmm... wonder why Death Rune Mastery has a 3 min cooldown |
| 23:33.05 | ckknight | is it a PvP server? |
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| 23:33.16 | ckknight | hope not |
| 23:33.17 | NightHawkAtWork | don't know, i dont think they've said? |
| 23:33.23 | bleetah | i want.. an 80.. in wintergrasp.. who cares if pvp or pve server ;) |
| 23:33.29 | ckknight | I hope it's just standard PvE |
| 23:33.29 | NeoTron | wait what |
| 23:33.30 | NightHawkAtWork | I hope not too, but i mean.. if it's pvp premades.. testing pvp.. *shrug* |
| 23:33.31 | NeoTron | Glyph of Possessed Strength Increases the damage your pet inflicts while using Eyes of the Beast by $57900s1%. |
| 23:33.38 | Dashkal | I believe it is (someone in here posted a SS that said it was) but it won't matter one way or the other for a level 80 realm |
| 23:33.38 | NeoTron | does anyone actually use eyes of the beast to dps? wtf? |
| 23:33.52 | End | o_O |
| 23:33.53 | End | wtf |
| 23:33.55 | Anaral | Is everyone still stuck at, 'Unable to validate game version'? |
| 23:34.05 | bleetah | hahahahahaha |
| 23:34.09 | bleetah | Anaral: servers aren't patched up yet, wait |
| 23:34.10 | NeoTron | the premade realm is PvP |
| 23:34.12 | Neuro_Medivh | Murmur server is a PVP |
| 23:34.14 | Neuro_Medivh | realm |
| 23:34.14 | End | that's such a nonsensical talent |
| 23:34.17 | NeoTron | and the chars are pvp equipped |
| 23:34.18 | End | err |
| 23:34.20 | ckknight | lameness |
| 23:34.21 | End | glyph |
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| 23:34.31 | Anaral | Just wanted to make sure. :) |
| 23:34.32 | jaxdahl | did they fix the realm name? |
| 23:34.33 | NightHawkAtWork | ckknight: like i said, pvp toons + pvp testing = pvp server. :p |
| 23:34.36 | jaxdahl | it was Murmer before |
| 23:34.55 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, well, then it's misspelled =) |
| 23:34.58 | bleetah | oO |
| 23:35.02 | ckknight | well, I still kind of want a lvl 80 |
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| 23:35.13 | Icecoldcoke | So level... maybe.. just maybe. |
| 23:35.15 | Neuro_Medivh | I want a pony |
| 23:35.49 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: NO |
| 23:35.59 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.10 | bleetah | Neuro_Medivh: roll a dk |
| 23:36.11 | NeoTron | I guess mana of demonic armor might have a pvp use but.. |
| 23:36.19 | Neuro_Medivh | bleetah: I did! |
| 23:36.23 | bleetah | gotta say, dk tauren on a pony is lol++ |
| 23:36.33 | Esamynn | ... |
| 23:36.40 | Icecoldcoke | IT IS NOT A PONY |
| 23:36.44 | |pez| | pony? |
| 23:36.47 | Dashkal | NeoTron: that kind of glyph will probably end up minor |
| 23:36.50 | NeoTron | sure |
| 23:36.50 | Neuro_Medivh | It's my little pony! |
| 23:36.54 | NightHawkAtWork | Icecoldcoke: pony of DOOM. |
| 23:36.54 | NeoTron | but .. it's pointless |
| 23:37.00 | NightHawkAtWork | deathpony! |
| 23:37.02 | bleetah | when you do the 'rescue the horse' quest... you can mount the small horses as well as the big ones ;) |
| 23:37.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Deathpwny! |
| 23:37.08 | NeoTron | in that aspect I'd rather have green fire |
| 23:37.24 | NightHawkAtWork | bleetah: yeah, i noticed that, it's a shame it doesn't give you a small mount. ; |
| 23:37.26 | NightHawkAtWork | ;) |
| 23:37.35 | cbreak | I hope the frost bolt glyph will be minor. Or at least cheap to remove and replace |
| 23:37.36 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:37.50 | End | how expensive are glyphs to make? |
| 23:37.52 | NightHawkAtWork | most all the glyphs are pretty chea.. |
| 23:37.58 | NightHawkAtWork | usually 1-3 ink + parchment |
| 23:37.59 | Neuro_Medivh | do mounts still scale inversely with player size? |
| 23:38.04 | Dashkal | End: right now they're pretty cheap. 5-15 herbs and some paper |
| 23:38.05 | bleetah | gtg, catch you cats later. have fun! :D |
| 23:38.05 | End | ah |
| 23:38.05 | Icecoldcoke | Loot at how many glyphs warriors have.. hi Kalgan. |
| 23:38.10 | Neuro_Medivh | like, a gnome on an elekk is huge |
| 23:38.11 | cbreak | are the real prices already in? |
| 23:38.13 | End | not too bad |
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| 23:38.24 | Dashkal | Cheap enough that you can keep some extras on you to "respec" |
| 23:38.27 | NeoTron | yeah I reacted to taht too. there are A LOT of warrior ones |
| 23:38.27 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: no, i think gnomes have some really funky scaling issues |
| 23:38.50 | NightHawkAtWork | cbreak: as of the last build, druid glyphs seemed to have "real" material costs |
| 23:39.21 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: well, there were NO warrior glyphs until now, so.. |
| 23:39.25 | Dashkal | Icecoldcoke: Warriors are getting their first batch, hence the number |
| 23:39.34 | Icecoldcoke | Oh. |
| 23:39.59 | NightHawkAtWork | every other class (besides DKs) have glyphs in the last build |
| 23:40.45 | Dashkal | DKs appear to be getting their first glyph this build as well (taunt success boost) |
| 23:40.54 | Dashkal | This actually looks nifty: Mace Specialization - Your attacks with maces ignore up to 3/6/9/12/15% of your opponent's armor |
| 23:41.04 | NightHawkAtWork | i really like some of the warrior glyphs |
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| 23:41.33 | Skate555-Laptop | hello does anyone here use addon studio?? |
| 23:41.55 | Icecoldcoke | I expect one of their glyphs to be "Your pummel ability no longer has a cooldown." soon. |
| 23:42.15 | cbreak | I want a "Your enemy dies" glyph. |
| 23:42.21 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, Glyph of Bone Shield - Adds 1 additional charge to your Bone Shield. |
| 23:42.29 | NeoTron | NightHawkAtWork: so? warriors => 50 glyphs, locks (with newest patch ones added) => 27 |
| 23:42.43 | NeoTron | so point remains - omfg that's a lot of warrior glyphs! |
| 23:42.43 | Icecoldcoke | Glyph of Make Love, Not Warcraft - When killing an enemy you have a 100% chance to hug them. |
| 23:42.51 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, there were no DK glyphs either, but they got half as many as Wars |
| 23:43.11 | NeoTron | Dashkal: check mmochamp. theer aer quite a few |
| 23:43.12 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: ... where do you get 50 glyphs for warriors? |
| 23:43.34 | NeoTron | NightHawkAtWork: mmo champion |
| 23:43.51 | Icecoldcoke | Inscription of the Frostblade - Permanently adds 45 spell power and 15 critical strike rating to a shoulder slot item. Can only enchant your own items and doing so causes them to become soulbound. |
| 23:44.12 | Neuro_Medivh | OH, I see... most of the Warrior glyphs were posted twice |
| 23:44.23 | Dashkal | NeoTron: ooooooooo! |
| 23:44.50 | Dashkal | Ok, my Dk may be busy herbalizing the hell out of hinterlants tonight... |
| 23:44.54 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: .. some of thos are there twice.. |
| 23:44.58 | Skate555-Laptop | ok i created my project, recreated my forms saving often, had a crash...now the project isn't properly linking the forms to lua files...anyone know how to manually link them in the solution explorer?? |
| 23:45.02 | Dashkal | I ran out of mats at that level of inscription |
| 23:45.29 | NeoTron | NightHawkAtWork: well how am I supposed to realize that? Not like i'm reading it or they are sorted! |
| 23:45.42 | Dashkal | Oh.my.god: # Glyph of Icebound Fortitude - Your Icebound Fortitude costs no runic power. |
| 23:45.55 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: you don't even have to read it, really. YOu can see duplicate glyph names just skiming it. :p |
| 23:46.05 | NightHawkAtWork | Dashkal: mmm.. now that's hawt. |
| 23:46.19 | NeoTron | NightHawkAtWork: I'm not skimming it, I could care less about warrior crap :P |
| 23:46.32 | Neuro_Medivh | the best DK ones are strangulate, rune strike, and bone shield |
| 23:46.35 | NeoTron | Dashkal: mildly useful |
| 23:46.40 | NightHawkAtWork | NeoTron: well don't make idiotic comments if you're not going to actually read anything. :D |
| 23:46.48 | Dashkal | NeoTron: that means having the thing up the moment you do one of those mass pulls |
| 23:47.35 | NeoTron | I assumed that the information was you know verified before posted |
| 23:47.56 | NightHawkAtWork | you know what happens when you assume. |
| 23:48.30 | cbreak | yay, the EU downloader seems to be available when trying to log in |
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| 23:49.26 | cbreak | that patch is rather small. |
| 23:50.38 | Esamynn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9658356014&sid=2000&pageNo=2#37 O_o |
| 23:50.43 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 23:50.50 | Gnarfoz | combat actually looks nice now |
| 23:50.54 | Duman | :-o |
| 23:51.17 | Esamynn | also: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9658356014&pageNo=1&sid=2000#9 |
| 23:51.35 | Icecoldcoke | Then a joke post : You will now be granted a spell that toggles the boot model. (For the troll racial) |
| 23:52.14 | Gnarfoz | they're changing racials, omgyay :D |
| 23:52.21 | Esamynn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679947931&sid=2000 ROFL |
| 23:52.25 | Esine | Gnarfoz, what? |
| 23:52.39 | Esamynn | Esine: click my links |
| 23:52.53 | End | omg bears! |
| 23:53.02 | Esamynn | Rawr! |
| 23:53.09 | cbreak | as long as I get to keep diplomacy I am fine. |
| 23:53.19 | End | if I'm doing the cowering, I guess that makes me a kitty |
| 23:53.20 | Esamynn | ~gag cbreak |
| 23:53.20 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of cbreak and, as an additional precaution, sews cbreak's mouth shut permanently... |
| 23:53.32 | ckknight | anyone have a diff yet? |
| 23:53.49 | Esamynn | a diff of what? |
| 23:53.53 | End | framexml? |
| 23:53.56 | Esamynn | the UI files? |
| 23:53.56 | Skate555-Laptop | any idea what the 2 new forms for druids is?? |
| 23:53.57 | NightHawkAtWork | ^^ |
| 23:54.10 | Hirsute | 2 new forms? |
| 23:54.40 | cbreak | so far they have tree, owl, cat, bear, an other bear and a seal thingie |
| 23:54.41 | Anaral | Skate, They're glyphs |
| 23:54.48 | cbreak | hmm... maybe an insect for a change |
| 23:54.56 | Skate555-Laptop | so druids aren't getting any new shape shifts this time around?? |
| 23:55.06 | Anaral | And they just change our current bear and cat skins. |
| 23:55.12 | NightHawkAtWork | druids were never getting new forms |
| 23:55.14 | Skate555-Laptop | cbreak you forgot the 2 birds |
| 23:55.14 | Anaral | No |
| 23:55.16 | End | I still think druids should get ambient form :P |
| 23:55.19 | Skate555-Laptop | and the second cat |
| 23:55.23 | End | (meaning, critter) |
| 23:55.24 | cbreak | two birds? |
| 23:55.38 | cbreak | the flight forms you mean? |
| 23:55.38 | Anaral | Flight Form |
| 23:55.42 | cbreak | yeah, there's also a travel form |
| 23:56.02 | Skate555-Laptop | ohh wait wsa that list the new forms or sumn?? |
| 23:56.05 | ckknight | Esamynn: yea |
| 23:56.08 | Icecoldcoke | Glyph of Pointlessness - Your glyphs will become 42% less pointless. |
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| 23:56.36 | Neuro_Medivh | that's a bit OP icecold |
| 23:56.39 | End | Icecoldcoke: that doesn't make any sense. you have to ADD a point for that to work |
| 23:56.54 | Esamynn | Cairenn: Conference mode has been enabled on this channel again... |
| 23:57.08 | Cairenn | conference mode? |
| 23:57.31 | Esamynn | hides joins, leaves and nick changes |
| 23:57.42 | End | I can see leaves and joins |
| 23:57.46 | Gnarfoz | yay new raid spec for combat: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?rogue=025205200223015023210050125100532000500000000000000000005000000000000000000000000000 ;D |
| 23:57.48 | Cide | I just saw Tinybloom quit and rejoin |
| 23:57.51 | End | ^ |
| 23:57.53 | Esamynn | hmm |
| 23:57.53 | NightHawkAtWork | Esamynn: it may be a client setting on your end |
| 23:57.54 | Cide | Tinyboom* |
| 23:57.59 | Dashkal | Esamynn: chatzilla setting |
| 23:58.03 | Cide | * End is now known as EndIsAwesum |
| 23:58.05 | Esamynn | NightHawkAtWork: yah, I thought it was a IRC setting |
| 23:58.08 | Cairenn | there's no way I know of to hide it on the channel itself, it's a client side setting |
| 23:58.10 | kd3 | emails about to go out. anyone not on my list want a copy |
| 23:58.13 | End | :P |
| 23:58.25 | ckknight | kd3: woo |
| 23:58.25 | NightHawkAtWork | Esamynn: im not sure if servers have settings for that, but typically it's a client-side setting |
| 23:58.37 | Esamynn | ok, my bad, I'll hush now |
| 23:58.37 | Dashkal | Esamynn: you will find it under the Appearance tab |
| 23:58.41 | Cairenn | :) |
| 23:59.13 | Esamynn | ahhh, Conference Mode Limit |
| 23:59.36 | Esamynn | silly ChatZilla |
| 23:59.44 | kd3 | anyone else? |
