| 00:00.08 | Jamash | At a party I was at once they had these tiny 1-bite cheesecakes |
| 00:00.12 | Kirov | Cheesecake + chocolate fondue = sugar coated awesome |
| 00:00.18 | Jamash | they were the best food I have ever tasted |
| 00:00.30 | cbreak | I guess it depends on the attack scenario. Do you expect a coordinated and wide spread attack on the voting procedure? That is much easier with computers |
| 00:00.39 | Dashkal | http://mayihaveacheeseburger.com/please/ |
| 00:01.07 | Kirov | cbreak - it is much easier with computers networked to the internet, otherwise there really isn't a difference. |
| 00:01.20 | Lunessa | Jamash: The Cheesecake Factory is a brilliant chain. The food is delicious. |
| 00:01.55 | cbreak | it's also easier to manipulate the hardware |
| 00:01.57 | NightHawkTheSane | I'll have to make a point to eat there.. |
| 00:02.10 | cbreak | if you have a box that is used to put paper in, manipulations can easily be spotted |
| 00:02.15 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe this weekend, my mom's coming out as it is. |
| 00:02.19 | cbreak | just by noticing that the box isn't empty at the start |
| 00:02.29 | cbreak | or that there are more votes in the box than people have voted |
| 00:02.57 | cbreak | but if you can manipulate the computer, it can silently change the votes, and you can only notice the problems if you make a checksum of the software |
| 00:03.00 | cbreak | or something similar |
| 00:03.36 | Kirov | random fact - cheesecake factory was originally intended as a family style eatery, ie: you order one dish for two or more people. |
| 00:03.43 | Jamash | the idea for open-source voting is to use a machine with no rewritable media, just a CD-ROM that the software is loaded off, and in that case you can in fact checksum the software before it is loaded |
| 00:04.17 | Jamash | I had this garlic pasta dish in a huge bowl that indeed looked big enough for two people to eat out of |
| 00:04.19 | cbreak | yes. but... have you heard of TrueCrypt? |
| 00:04.38 | cbreak | it can encrypt your boot volume, and transparently decrypt it |
| 00:05.06 | cbreak | if you manipulate the hardware, you could influence the voting even with a secure On-CD os |
| 00:05.22 | Jamash | well, if you have control over the hardware you can do anything |
| 00:05.27 | cbreak | Merry, they aren't german, they bought the machines from a foreign company :) |
| 00:05.43 | Mery | in know some belgish stuff i remember correct |
| 00:05.52 | Jamash | this is why you use off-the-shelf hardware from multiple vendors |
| 00:05.54 | Mery | but we used them, that's the sad point |
| 00:05.54 | cbreak | I thought it was from the netherlands |
| 00:05.58 | Kirov | Must of been a jewish country, I hear the Jews are always trying to cause problems in germany. |
| 00:06.10 | Jamash | >_> |
| 00:06.23 | ckknight | it's okay, Kirov, I'm sure there's a final solution everyone can agree upon |
| 00:06.39 | Kirov | and on that note ... |
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| 00:15.04 | Mery | cbreak: you're right about netherlands, and funny in the netherlands they don't use them anymore and went back to pen & paper |
| 00:19.08 | Jamash | in my country, we vote with cake |
| 00:19.28 | Jamash | no vote has ever made it back to the ballot box |
| 00:19.30 | cbreak | are you sure your vote isn't a lie? |
| 00:19.37 | Jamash | all votes are lie! |
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| 00:26.09 | cbreak | Mery: if you are interested in that topic, check out http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/events/2342.en.html and http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/events/2380.en.html |
| 00:34.19 | Lunessa | I am interested in cake. I demand cake. |
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| 00:42.15 | KarlKFI | Anyone know of something like this in java or python? http://www.codeplex.com/WoWArmoryParser |
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| 00:45.53 | NightHawkTheSane | not java or python, but if you can get the source to Antiarc's armory tools, i think those are written in php. or was it ruby.. *shrug* |
| 00:46.01 | Antiarc | They're PHP |
| 00:46.19 | Antiarc | Honestly, all you need is a net library and an XML parser |
| 00:46.23 | Antiarc | I might rewrite htem in Ruby |
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| 00:46.28 | Antiarc | Because Ruby is awesome when you don't use rexml |
| 00:46.41 | Antiarc | My first version was in ruby but it used rexml so my server died a horrible death |
| 00:46.57 | Antiarc | Because rexml is a piece of crap crapped out by a piece of crap |
| 00:47.06 | Antiarc | Like, it's crap's crap. |
| 00:47.25 | KarlKFI | why look someone who knows somehting |
| 00:47.45 | KarlKFI | i'm on a mac and dont feel like jumping through the hoops to use .net |
| 00:47.58 | Antiarc | You could do it in PYthon easily |
| 00:48.02 | KarlKFI | i can always just xml parse it myself |
| 00:48.06 | KarlKFI | yeah |
| 00:48.12 | Antiarc | You just have to be able to read remote files over HTTP and parse an XML doc |
| 00:48.14 | Antiarc | Easy peasy |
| 00:48.19 | KarlKFI | xpat or something |
| 00:49.53 | KarlKFI | PyXML should make it pretty easy |
| 00:50.04 | Industrial | Lunessa: It's a lie. |
| 00:50.37 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, sometimes i have to wonder how long until the 'the cake is a lie' jokes will get old. |
| 00:50.47 | Industrial | never, rally |
| 00:50.50 | KarlKFI | or just xml.parsers.expat i spose |
| 00:51.11 | KarlKFI | been a whiel since i used python much |
| 00:54.02 | Jamash | I wrote a perl script to parse out reputation data from the armory once |
| 00:54.25 | KarlKFI | i'd prefer to avoid perl |
| 00:55.07 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, that reminds me, anyone know of a saner way to parse spell data from wowhead other than justp ulling down the html and sifting through that? |
| 00:55.33 | KarlKFI | pull it from wow and save to SV |
| 00:55.47 | NightHawkTheSane | in this case, that's not feasible. |
| 00:56.02 | KarlKFI | yoink it from the data files |
| 00:56.08 | Antiarc | What's the use case for it? |
| 00:56.37 | NightHawkTheSane | specifically: i need to generate a list of mount spells, and then determine the type & speed of each. |
| 00:57.23 | Antiarc | Any reason it has to be automated? |
| 00:57.24 | KarlKFI | you can parse that dynamicly from tooltips if oyu need it ingame |
| 00:57.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ease of updating? :P |
| 00:57.27 | Antiarc | Pff |
| 00:57.30 | Antiarc | Mounts are finite and few |
| 00:57.45 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, you say that, but I pulled ~200 mount spells from wowhead. >.> |
| 00:57.54 | cbreak | you haven't seen my bank yet antiarc :) |
| 00:58.05 | Industrial | white raptor! |
| 00:58.11 | Industrial | coolest mount ingame. |
| 00:58.18 | KarlKFI | haven't seen your Pet tab you mean |
| 00:58.20 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 00:58.23 | Antiarc | White Stallion Bridle, biatches. |
| 00:59.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: plus, a script can catch new things/errors easier than I can just eyeballing it. But it's not something that would be run often at all, so I'm not going to get worked up about it either way. |
| 00:59.31 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: I recommend Ruby and Hpricot |
| 00:59.40 | Antiarc | Screen scraping without the pain :P |
| 00:59.44 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 00:59.47 | Lunessa | All your cake lies are belong to us. |
| 00:59.52 | Antiarc | hpricot is amazing |
| 00:59.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Hpricot? never heard of that.. |
| 00:59.58 | Antiarc | You can select elements by css selector |
| 01:00.02 | Antiarc | Or by xpath |
| 01:00.13 | Antiarc | It makes XML actually enjoyable |
| 01:00.22 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting |
| 01:00.48 | Antiarc | xml = Hpricot(open("http://some.com/file.html")) |
| 01:01.07 | Antiarc | (xml/"div div.foo p").each do ... |
| 01:01.16 | Antiarc | or whatever |
| 01:01.24 | NightHawkTheSane | thats pretty neat. |
| 01:01.30 | Antiarc | It's friggin' awesome |
| 01:01.47 | Antiarc | hahah |
| 01:01.48 | Antiarc | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=24576 |
| 01:02.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
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| 01:11.27 | Tem | hmm |
| 01:11.31 | Tem | I am met with a dilema |
| 01:11.50 | Tem | humans have what appear to be the best racials for a DK |
| 01:11.54 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=25026 |
| 01:11.57 | Tem | however |
| 01:12.06 | Tem | human males look f'ing goofy |
| 01:12.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: solution: roll horde. :D |
| 01:12.32 | Tem | human females have decent animations |
| 01:12.38 | Tem | way better than the males, at least |
| 01:12.49 | Tem | however, I'd rather not do the "female toon thing" |
| 01:12.58 | NeoTron | I will make a human female toon |
| 01:13.07 | NeoTron | due to stated reasons |
| 01:13.13 | Tem | my first toon was a human female mage |
| 01:13.14 | NeoTron | my warlock and paladin are already female human toons |
| 01:13.26 | NeoTron | my hunter is female draenei |
| 01:13.33 | Tem | my druid is a male NE |
| 01:13.39 | NeoTron | not sure why but I think male characters look goofy (especially human and draenei) |
| 01:13.51 | Tem | I like male draenei |
| 01:13.56 | Tem | thier shoulders are HUGE |
| 01:14.03 | NightHawkTheSane | I have a habit of naming my characters after characters from (reasonably obscure) books, and choose the sex according to the sex of said character.. |
| 01:14.22 | Tem | I did the same for my mage |
| 01:14.30 | Tem | and I've regretted it ever since |
| 01:14.33 | bleeter | mooooo |
| 01:14.38 | Tem | (the using the character from the book, part) |
| 01:14.53 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't, but *shrug* to each their own |
| 01:15.01 | Tem | *nod* |
| 01:15.05 | |pez| | Tem: there's a renaming option now you know ;P |
| 01:15.18 | Tem | meh |
| 01:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: and yet, no resexing. :( |
| 01:15.24 | Tem | I can't think of a better name for my mage |
| 01:15.47 | Tem | also, as I said in here once-- when drunk-- some fucker on my server has the name 'Tem' so I can't use that |
| 01:16.02 | Tem | he's a level 60 pally |
| 01:16.09 | Tem | and hasn't logged in in over a year |
| 01:16.26 | NightHawkTheSane | lame |
| 01:16.27 | Tem | there should be a policy where I can bump him from his name |
| 01:16.29 | Lunessa | Awww.. tem thinks my toon looks goofy. |
| 01:16.39 | Tem | human male, Lunessa? |
| 01:16.47 | Lunessa | Male Draenei |
| 01:16.50 | Tem | no no |
| 01:16.53 | Tem | I like them |
| 01:17.01 | Lunessa | Oh. |
| 01:17.07 | NightHawkTheSane | I think you look goofy, Lunessa |
| 01:17.15 | Lunessa | Heh. Is that why you chose NE for your DK? |
| 01:17.21 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Duh. |
| 01:17.29 | Tem | Lunessa, my first DK was a gnome |
| 01:17.33 | Tem | well, actually |
| 01:17.48 | Tem | my first, first dk (during alpha) was draenei |
| 01:17.55 | Tem | he didn't make it to 60 |
| 01:18.04 | Tem | my next dk (start of beta) was a gnome |
| 01:18.08 | Tem | I played her to level 60 |
| 01:18.13 | Tem | but I got sick of her |
| 01:18.18 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.35 | Tem | so I rerolled another race to see what their animations were like |
| 01:18.39 | Tem | I just happened upon NE |
| 01:18.45 | Tem | and I liked the animations |
| 01:19.00 | Tem | so I kept him |
| 01:19.19 | Tem | I hate HM for casters because the model really only suits melee |
| 01:19.35 | Tem | being a mage or lock with HUGE arms looks goofy |
| 01:19.48 | Tem | and for melee, HM has funky 2h animations |
| 01:20.08 | Tem | anyway.... |
| 01:20.13 | Lunessa | Actually, I'm seriously considering Human Male for my DK at launch. The NPC one in Borean convinced me. |
| 01:20.37 | Tem | I want human for the sword/mace bonus |
| 01:20.51 | Tem | and diplomacy is <3 |
| 01:20.54 | Lunessa | Rep bouns. |
| 01:20.59 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/dont_arrest_journalists/ |
| 01:23.23 | Lunessa | "Jailing journalists is unacceptable in a democracy." Bullshit. Journalists are subject to the same laws as everyone else. The rest of the article may or may not be factual, but that line is bogus. |
| 01:23.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 01:24.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, its melodramatic, but *shrug* |
| 01:24.21 | NightHawkTheSane | that's more or less par for the course for police action at the RNC, though. |
| 01:24.50 | Lunessa | The video shows no wrong doing by any party, it's just a circus. |
| 01:25.13 | Tem | I'm so sick of the partisan crap in this country |
| 01:25.20 | ccox | tell me about it |
| 01:25.42 | Tem | the liberals are out to make the conservatives look like asses and visa versa |
| 01:25.57 | Tem | meanwhile, they both look like complete asshats |
| 01:26.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: this isn't about partisan anything, it's not liberals vs conservatives. it's 1st amendment rights. *shrug* |
| 01:26.51 | ckknight | Tem: they both do a good job at making the other look like asshats |
| 01:26.51 | |pez| | I find it ironic that Palins daughter is pregnant, while Palin and McCain are both not wanting to fund any sexual-ed in school. |
| 01:26.53 | Tem | NightHawkTheSane, the article is clearly written as an attempt to say "See! The police are arresting people who disagree with republicans!" |
| 01:27.05 | Tem | when I'm sure the same went on at the DNC |
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| 01:27.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: maybe, but the underlying facts do not change. |
| 01:27.14 | Tem | *shrug* |
| 01:27.19 | Lunessa | I see pez only listens to half the coverage. :P |
| 01:27.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: *shrug* I never heard an iota about it, but if you can point out some coverage on that, i'd be glad to read it. |
| 01:27.43 | Tem | I fail to care for a journalist who doesn't listen to a police line in front of her |
| 01:27.49 | |pez| | Lunessa: tell me the rest then, in short, please. |
| 01:28.21 | Tem | |pez|, I honestly don't see how it's relevant |
| 01:28.33 | Tem | just like the crap with Clinton back in the 90s |
| 01:28.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: that one incident (regardless of what the video shows) is not the only one, there have been multiple reports of journalists unreasonably harassed by police/fbi. |
| 01:28.45 | Tem | his affairs are irrelevant |
| 01:28.58 | Tem | though, I do take issue with him lying under oath |
| 01:29.06 | Lunessa | Pez McCain and Palin are in favor of abstinence and general prevention education, not sex ed as "how to have sex" - and as for her daughter being pregnant - shit happens to everyone. |
| 01:29.45 | Tem | NightHawkTheSane, think about who is reporting it, though |
| 01:29.47 | |pez| | Lunessa: now see, the Norwegian press has translated the story badly then. |
| 01:29.50 | Tem | you must always consider the source |
| 01:30.17 | |pez| | Cause it says Palin and McCain aren't in favor of sex-ed about prevention and such. |
| 01:30.23 | Tem | whenever the main-stream media present a story, expect a liberal bias |
| 01:30.28 | Lunessa | Pez, or more likely quoted a biased source. Sex Ed in the US is a political nuclear weapon. |
| 01:30.39 | Tem | no kidding, Lunessa |
| 01:31.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: I do, but it's not just one source reporting it, it's from multiple sources, all of which tend to corroborate. |
| 01:31.05 | Lunessa | I need foodz. back in a bit. |
| 01:31.05 | Tem | multiple biased sources don't make for 1 objective source |
| 01:31.30 | Tem | anyway, I gotta go... more crap to clean around here now that my parents have power |
| 01:31.47 | NightHawkTheSane | You make no allowance that ANY of those sources are unbiased, though :p |
| 01:31.55 | Tem | though, yay, I get to sleep in my bed tonight |
| 01:33.59 | Antiarc | ....lol |
| 01:34.00 | Antiarc | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6zil5/fail_watch_what_happens_when_you_type_into_the/ |
| 01:34.09 | ccox | Lunessa - um, no, Palin especially is against teaching preventing, all she wants to teach is abstinance |
| 01:34.48 | ccox | Linessa - sex ed. has never been about "how to", only "here's what to avoid" and "here's what could happen" |
| 01:35.22 | |pez| | Antiarc: I... don't have that problem? |
| 01:35.30 | Antiarc | *shrug* |
| 01:35.49 | alestane | ccox: My school's program wasn't exactly about "how to" but it discussed actual ramifications a lot more than just scare tactics. |
| 01:36.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Mine was more or less scare tatics. |
| 01:36.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Read: slideshows |
| 01:36.25 | ccox | alestane - then you had better than average in the US... |
| 01:36.25 | |pez| | I think I was absent in sex-ed. |
| 01:36.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Let me tell you about those slideshows! |
| 01:36.29 | Syzgyn | ccox: The problem is usually the 'here's what to avoid' doesnt follow up with 'heres how to avoid it' |
| 01:36.40 | ccox | syzgyn - it used to |
| 01:36.51 | ccox | syzgyn - until the right wing stepped in |
| 01:36.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Syzgyn: well, that's the major dispute between the two camps. |
| 01:37.13 | alestane | Regardless of what Palin or McCain (or Obama or Biden for that matter) do or do not endorse, there's one basic problem with "abstinence education". |
| 01:37.26 | kd3 | it doesn't work |
| 01:37.28 | Jamash | the essential question in sex ed is like the essential question in traffic safety |
| 01:37.29 | ccox | I used to laugh when the parents who were against sex education and prevented their children from attending the classes, were the ones to get pregant in highschool or catch nasty diseases |
| 01:37.30 | alestane | It doesn't actually work. |
| 01:37.56 | Jamash | do seat belts save more lives by making people more safe, or do they encourage driving less safely? |
| 01:37.57 | ccox | alestane - proven again and again, but "that's science, we can't believe that" |
| 01:38.10 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: it doesn't matter if it works or if it doesn't. Any other viewpoint encourages pre-marital sex, which flies contrary to the religious right's views, thus.. |
| 01:38.17 | alestane | It's a scare tactic; it assumes that if teens know the dangers of having sex, but not the reawrds or the precautions, they'll be deterred from having sex. |
| 01:38.26 | ccox | Nighthawk - no, it does not encourage anything! |
| 01:38.28 | Jamash | we have a contradictory stance in the US, where we believe that seat belts are good but condoms are bad |
| 01:38.37 | ccox | Nighthawk - that is very, very flawed logic |
| 01:38.42 | Jamash | even though they're for the same thing (metaphorically speaking) |
| 01:38.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: well, i mean, from the point of view of the religious right. |
| 01:39.06 | alestane | Except for one thing. Scare tactics don't work very well on teens, who believe reflexively that bad things don't happen to them, if they even think about it that hard. |
| 01:39.15 | Jamash | clearly we should get rid of seat belt laws because they encourage underage driving |
| 01:39.30 | NightHawkTheSane | they say 'premarital sex is bad', so therefore any curriculum that at all validates pre-martial sex is fundamentally wrong. |
| 01:39.53 | ccox | but it doesn't validate premarital sex at all |
| 01:40.02 | Jamash | birth control as well, even though married people can benefit from it |
| 01:40.09 | NightHawkTheSane | to them, anything other than abstinence-only eductation does, though. |
| 01:40.43 | ccox | I keep wondering what time warp let them come in from the 18th century.... |
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| 01:41.10 | ccox | I keep thinking that, if pressed, many of them would be against women voting as well |
| 01:41.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: it's no time warp, it's time shock. these are the people who, somehow, manage to remain in the 18th century, while the rest of us moved on. :p |
| 01:42.38 | Jamash | This is why I want to move back to the moon |
| 01:42.43 | ccox | I keep thinking it's more of a "me versus them" issue |
| 01:43.00 | ccox | "I wouldn't do that, so why would anyone else do that, we need a law against it" |
| 01:43.15 | |pez| | Jamash: you've lived there before? |
| 01:43.21 | ccox | instead of "sometimes, someone else might need to do that, and we should respect their needs" |
| 01:43.41 | Jamash | I'm originally from the moon, I just live in California |
| 01:44.02 | ccox | maybe it's just respect for others that they're missing -- that would explain why high population areas are more liberal and low population areas are more conservative |
| 01:44.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: I've stopped trying to figure it out long ago. There's a LOT of things I don't get about moderates/conservatives. *shrug* |
| 01:44.51 | ckknight | I'm not sure about that, ccox |
| 01:44.56 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: like what? |
| 01:45.44 | Jamash | one important thing to remember about conservatives is that there aren't any anymore, they've all been shoved out by the ultra-right-wing orthodoxy |
| 01:45.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: like how people can vote conservatively, despite proven facts that show that it's economically and socially against their best interests. |
| 01:46.05 | ccox | how can you be for smaller government, and want to increase the size of the military at the same time? |
| 01:46.06 | NightHawkTheSane | I have trouble wrapping my mind around that. |
| 01:46.22 | Jamash | NightHawk: you can fool some of the people all of the time |
| 01:46.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: sadly, that's mostly it, I'm sure. |
| 01:46.48 | ckknight | ccox: I'm rather libertarian, but I believe a strong national defense system is very important. Granted, I disagree with the way America is handling foreign affairs as-is |
| 01:46.50 | ccox | Jamesh - real conservatives are now just lumped in with centrists and liberals (they've moved left of center, but remain conservative) |
| 01:47.18 | Jamash | That's why right-wingers hate public education; it makes people less right-wing |
| 01:47.27 | ccox | Jamash - yep |
| 01:47.51 | ckknight | I'm not fond of public education |
| 01:47.57 | ccox | Jamash - and notice how often they attack all education, and all (but Fox) media? An informed populace wouldn't vote their way. |
| 01:48.11 | Jamash | I'm not fond of public education -as practiced- |
| 01:48.33 | ccox | I'm fond of the concept of public education, and how it used to be (warts and all) |
| 01:48.41 | ckknight | I think the taxes that go toward public education would be better served through private means |
| 01:48.43 | ccox | but lately public education isn't working so well in many states |
| 01:48.45 | NightHawkTheSane | public education is a necessity. |
| 01:48.53 | ckknight | why is that? |
| 01:49.02 | Jamash | Public education is practiced poorly precisely because of aforementioned republicans trying to torpedo it |
| 01:49.12 | NightHawkTheSane | the government has a duty to provide education to anyone who wants it. *shrug* |
| 01:49.21 | ckknight | imo, a proper private education system would be far more efficient |
| 01:49.23 | ccox | ckknight - if education becomes for-profit or religion based only - we're done for |
| 01:49.28 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: why is that? |
| 01:49.45 | ccox | ckknight - even if the education is contracted out, it must remain free and available to all children |
| 01:49.49 | Jamash | Public education is a necessity because a democracy cannot function with a poorly educated populace |
| 01:50.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: it's part of the basic functions of a government. It's one of the things that a functioning government MUST provide a basic level of. |
| 01:50.12 | ckknight | well, I just believe that the separation of school and state is very fundamental |
| 01:50.20 | Jamash | That's a new one to me |
| 01:50.29 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: I don't believe in positive rights, only negative rights |
| 01:50.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: we'll have to disagree there, I believe in MANY postive rights. :p |
| 01:50.45 | NightHawkTheSane | positive* |
| 01:51.20 | NightHawkTheSane | and almost all of them I feel belong to sentient beings, not merely citizens of a nation. |
| 01:51.21 | ckknight | negative rights being that I have the right not to be harmed by you, whereas positive rights would be that you have the right to steal from me to help yourself in some way |
| 01:51.29 | Jamash | ah, a libertarian |
| 01:51.32 | ccox | ckknight - that's fine, they can be separated (at the control level), but how do you educate all without some sort of government driving it? |
| 01:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: that's fine, but some things can only be expressed as positive rights. :p |
| 01:51.56 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: example? |
| 01:52.02 | ccox | ckknight - if the government paid a company to run the education system, but it worked just like public education, how does that make it non-public education? |
| 01:52.11 | ckknight | ccox: if you mandate that children must be educated in a certain manner, then they will be, and if there is a need, businesses will crop up to fulfill said need |
| 01:52.20 | Jamash | That's public education. |
| 01:52.23 | ckknight | ccox: the difference would be school choice, mostly |
| 01:52.25 | NightHawkTheSane | the right an education? the right to freedom of expression? the right to health care? |
| 01:52.29 | smcn | are there first world countries that don't provide public education? not trolling, just curious |
| 01:52.34 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: I choose the second. |
| 01:52.35 | ccox | ckknight - how do you make it free for all children? |
| 01:52.49 | ccox | ckknight - without profit, most businesses wouldn't get involved |
| 01:52.58 | ccox | smcn - no |
| 01:53.01 | ckknight | ccox: by removing the taxes that people pay for current education, therefore putting money back into the parents' coffers |
| 01:53.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: my point is, I don't see how any of those can be expressed properly as a 'negative' right. |
| 01:53.15 | cbreak | that won't work |
| 01:53.21 | ccox | ckknight - except that many of those people don't pay enough taxes to cover the education costs |
| 01:53.24 | ckknight | right, the first and third are wrong, imo |
| 01:53.24 | Jamash | ckknight: You assume that everyone can afford private education |
| 01:53.25 | NightHawkTheSane | smcn: no, there are not. |
| 01:53.44 | ccox | ckknight - go look at some inner city schools, or rural schools (poor country folk) |
| 01:53.46 | Jamash | Public education is a form of public investment. |
| 01:53.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: *shrug* one can argue that's a matter of opinion, but my point remains. :p |
| 01:54.00 | Jamash | You invest money in schools, and as a return you get an educated populace. |
| 01:54.01 | ccox | ckknight - if you assume everyone has a great income, your theory might work, but not everyone does |
| 01:54.21 | Jamash | The return on investment is greater than unity, therefore everyone benefits. |
| 01:54.32 | ccox | Jamash has it right |
| 01:54.59 | Jamash | By opposing public education, you therefore oppose capitalism. |
| 01:55.09 | ckknight | the public education system as it stands is a babysitting program primarily |
| 01:55.15 | ccox | Jamash - ok that went too far |
| 01:55.21 | Jamash | I know ;) |
| 01:55.22 | ccox | Ckknight - um, no |
| 01:55.24 | cbreak | not really. |
| 01:55.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: only if it's made that way by those who use it. |
| 01:55.41 | cbreak | public education gives basic knowledge to young humans |
| 01:55.54 | ccox | ckknight - maybe where you live, but most places people are getting an education through public schools |
| 01:55.59 | cbreak | history, mathematics, language skills, social interaction and so on. |
| 01:56.03 | NightHawkTheSane | and a private education would be (and in some cases is) little more than the same |
| 01:56.13 | ccox | ckknight - yes, it would do better if parents were more involved in their children's education |
| 01:56.15 | Jamash | Here's the MO: Underfund public education, so that it performs poorly, so that you can then claim it doesn't work, so that you can get rid of public education. |
| 01:56.23 | ccox | ckknight - but it's far from babysitting |
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| 01:56.44 | ccox | Jamash - didn't I just hear that in a GOP speech? |
| 01:56.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: you hit it on the head, though "if parents were involved in their children's education" that right there solves SO many problems. |
| 01:57.11 | Jamash | If parents could afford to be involved in their children's education... |
| 01:57.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: that's the GOP platform, just replace "public education" with whatever government funded system you like ;_) |
| 01:57.27 | Jamash | if parents were educated enough themselves to be involved in their children's education... |
| 01:57.28 | ccox | NightHawk - yes, and too many parents THINK of public schools as babysitting, thus shortchanging their children |
| 01:57.45 | Jamash | except the military, oddly enough |
| 01:57.54 | Jamash | when the military doesn't work you throw more money at it |
| 01:58.03 | Jamash | when the schools don't work you take money away |
| 01:58.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: and yet, they still spend the money on the wrong things.. >.> |
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| 01:58.09 | ccox | Jamash - that's why i have better hopes for future generations, each one gets a little more education |
| 01:58.24 | ckknight | one of my goals in life is that when I have children that I will provide them good education, even if I have to home-school them |
| 01:58.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: Right, that's the cause of a lot of problems. parents throw their kids at the education system (public OR private, it happens in both) and expect to not have to deal with it. But education NEVER works that way. |
| 01:59.06 | Mike-N-Go | In the beta, I have a error message: EROR: Found degenerate triangle -- data needs to be fixed |
| 01:59.14 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.16 | Mike-N-Go | I ponder what that means.. |
| 01:59.17 | ckknight | down with triangles! |
| 01:59.23 | cbreak | you can never home school people as good as public schools |
| 01:59.23 | Jamash | ooo, a degenerate triangle |
| 01:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: honestly, if you're dedicated to making sure they're given a solid primary&secondary education, where their educated is more or less meaningless. Parental involvement is seriously like 50% of the equation. |
| 01:59.30 | ccox | Nighthawk - it works, it just doesn't work nearly as well as if the parents are involved, or if the children are motivated (which can happen without parents, I know) |
| 01:59.35 | Jamash | that's a triangle that has sex with rectangles |
| 01:59.47 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: I definitely agree there |
| 01:59.47 | cbreak | just because teachers have more knowledge and experience with their specific topics than a single home teacher |
| 01:59.50 | ccox | cbreak - some do, and they test well - but their social interaction is lacking |
| 02:00.01 | cbreak | as if tests matter |
| 02:00.06 | cbreak | the gained knowledge matters |
| 02:00.18 | ccox | cbreak - bingo |
| 02:00.26 | cbreak | you could train a monkey to answer correctly to tests |
| 02:00.30 | cbreak | maybe |
| 02:00.34 | Mike-N-Go | Antiarc: That'll turn off the error-spam? |
| 02:00.44 | ckknight | cbreak: I dunno about that, although perhaps I wouldn't be the best English teacher, in most other subjects I'm pretty sure I could pull off better than the average public school teacher |
| 02:00.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: well, obviously there's exceptions everywhere. You can brute force a certain amount of knowledge into a kid, and some kids will never learn regardless of parents or school. *shrug* |
| 02:00.48 | Antiarc | yes |
| 02:01.03 | ccox | <sarcasm>besides, where else would I learn "hotwiring" "how to spot the narc" and "lockpicking"</sarcasm> |
| 02:01.05 | Mike-N-Go | I ponder what would be causing this error. |
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| 02:01.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Mike-N-Go: it's internal wow errors, that are usually hidden, but they left the flag set accidentally when they pushed out the last build |
| 02:01.38 | ccox | Mike - a data or programming error in the application OR an addon trying to do something really, really bad with geometry |
| 02:01.52 | ccox | (and your frames can include geometry on textures) |
| 02:02.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: most of the errors I've seen from that seem to be not addon related. *shrug* |
| 02:02.22 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for the explanation. |
| 02:02.26 | ccox | Nighthawk - then you're not debugging enough addons :-) |
| 02:02.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: arguably. ;) |
| 02:03.10 | Kirov | Anyone here tried Google Chrome? |
| 02:03.18 | Jamash | Kirov: everyone but me |
| 02:03.44 | NightHawkTheSane | oh! google chrome: if you didn't know, type 'about:internets' (without the quoteS) in the address bar. |
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| 02:05.12 | Antiarc | type about:% NightHawkTheSane |
| 02:05.15 | kd3 | don't type ":%", though |
| 02:05.18 | kd3 | bah |
| 02:05.32 | Mike-N-Go | Nice, NightHawkTheSane |
| 02:05.44 | devXero | meh, need better tools for multi boxing on osx |
| 02:05.53 | ccox | ckknight - now thing about your average parent, and THEIR education level - which they will try to impart to their children |
| 02:06.16 | ccox | ckknight - not everyone is a nuclear physicist and can teach their kids well into college level |
| 02:06.18 | ckknight | ccox: the average parent should try to afford private school for their children |
| 02:06.33 | Jamash | ckknight: and if they can't? |
| 02:06.35 | ccox | ckknight - the "average" parent can't even come close to affording private schools |
| 02:06.37 | kd3 | hm... 325 for the hotel... 421 for the airfare and transport to the hotel... |
| 02:06.44 | cbreak | why should they? |
| 02:06.51 | ckknight | ccox: better shoot for a cheaper car and less vacations, then |
| 02:06.55 | cbreak | private schools aren't neccessarily better |
| 02:07.09 | ccox | ckknight - I guess you haven't been poor, and may not know anyone who has |
| 02:07.19 | ckknight | public schools are controlled by the government and subject to all the ills of government bureaucracy and power |
| 02:07.44 | ccox | ckknight - my highschool friends were scrounging for money to buy clothes and food, many had no car, took no vacations, had no TV, no phone, etc. |
| 02:07.47 | ckknight | private and home schools are run, in varying ways, by parents |
| 02:07.52 | Jamash | private schools are controlled by private institutions and subject to all the ills of corporate bureaucracy and power (see what I did there?) |
| 02:08.08 | ccox | ckknight - sometimes that is true, but many times the school system tries to stay disconnected from local politics |
| 02:08.17 | ccox | ckknight - however, sometimes it doesn't work (Memphis) |
| 02:08.21 | ckknight | Jamash: I trust a greedy, "evil", money-making corporation over government |
| 02:08.36 | Jamash | Ah, there's where you made your mistake |
| 02:08.39 | Jamash | I don't trust either |
| 02:08.53 | ckknight | at least with corporations, you can buy from somewhere else |
| 02:09.01 | ckknight | you aren't forced into them |
| 02:09.01 | ccox | Microsoft versus local teachers? I'd trust the teachers in a heartbeat. |
| 02:09.02 | Jamash | ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, that was a funny joke |
| 02:09.43 | ccox | ckknight - most of the time the local school board is just local teachers organizing themselves |
| 02:10.15 | ckknight | well, in any event, I won't put my kids through public school, no matter what |
| 02:10.19 | ccox | ckknight - only in really insane cities does it become it's own beauracracy (NY, LA, SF, etc.) |
| 02:10.51 | ccox | ckknight - I feel sorry for your children, and am glad that you can afford to provide them with a private education |
| 02:11.03 | ccox | ckknight - now, what about the other 60% of the country? |
| 02:11.10 | ckknight | why would you feel sorry? |
| 02:11.41 | ccox | because I've seen the products of private and public education - public is usually better off (especially socially) |
| 02:11.43 | ckknight | although I consider the current situation flawed, I can't fix it for everyone, I can only postulate philosophy |
| 02:11.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: i'd only feel bad for his kids because of his philosophy, with proper support and execution, there's nothing really wrong with home schooling. |
| 02:12.09 | ckknight | btw, if I were to home school my kids, I wouldn't forever, I'd probably ship em off to proper high school |
| 02:12.19 | Jamash | augh |
| 02:12.42 | ccox | it was fun in college to play "spot the washout", usually look for the preppy kid who sneered at the guys in worn T-shirts -- we were about 80% accurate |
| 02:12.50 | Jamash | I skipped high school entirely because my parents and I agreed it would be a nightmare |
| 02:12.58 | ckknight | Jamash: hehe |
| 02:13.09 | Jamash | junior high -> community college |
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| 02:16.20 | Seerah | as one who deals with public, private, and home school kids, there are pros and cons of all three |
| 02:16.33 | ckknight | quite true |
| 02:17.09 | Seerah | most large communities have a "school system" set up for home school kids |
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| 02:17.30 | Jamash | My dad will regale anyone for hours about why our current public school system is inherently broken and how to fix it |
| 02:17.31 | Seerah | for testing, arts curriculum, sports, etc |
| 02:17.45 | ccox | Jamash - as will most parents :-) |
| 02:18.15 | ccox | Seerah - yes, but I still find the results lacking |
| 02:18.28 | ccox | Seerah - "oh, daddy said we'd never need that in the real world |
| 02:18.34 | Jamash | yeah, but he goes back to the early 1800s when our system was invented |
| 02:18.39 | ckknight | ccox: ? |
| 02:18.48 | Seerah | I find that the home school kids have good manners and are very responsible. |
| 02:18.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: well, thats why the "system" for testing, curriculum guidance, etc, is in place. |
| 02:19.01 | Seerah | ccox: a parent like that should not be home schooling their children |
| 02:19.14 | ccox | Nighthawk - yes, and some parents teach to the test, like the worst public schools |
| 02:19.21 | ccox | Seerah - yes, I know |
| 02:19.27 | Seerah | and yes, they must still follow the curriculum and pass the tests |
| 02:19.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: well, there's always going to be bad apples. |
| 02:19.41 | ccox | Seerah - that depends on the local rules and regulations |
| 02:19.49 | ckknight | I'd be like "Okay kids, time for history. This is useful primarily for striking up conversation over cocktails." |
| 02:19.52 | ccox | Seerah - many places don't have a curriculum or tests yet |
| 02:20.32 | cbreak | you obviously don't know the reason to learn history. |
| 02:20.45 | Jamash | Our education system is designed to turn out 18th century shop clerks who don't vote |
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| 02:21.06 | Seerah | Jamash: actually, our system revolves around the Industrial era |
| 02:21.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: hey, don't go insultin' my shop now, y'hear! ;) |
| 02:21.08 | ckknight | Jamash: don't forget the factory workers who need minimal reading skills. |
| 02:21.12 | ccox | Jamash - it has improved over that, but not always by much |
| 02:21.14 | ccox | Seerah - yes |
| 02:21.51 | ccox | Seerah - you still have to get to college to discover critical thinking, abstratction, synthesis, etc. |
| 02:21.53 | cbreak | I don't think so |
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| 02:22.20 | Jamash | Seerah: You are correct, I should have written 18th century factory workers who don't vote. |
| 02:22.33 | Seerah | Industrial era wasn't 18th century ;) |
| 02:22.34 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 02:22.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: 19th century. ;) |
| 02:23.27 | cbreak | here we almost exclusively have public schools |
| 02:23.30 | cbreak | no home schooling |
| 02:23.41 | cbreak | and still, only very few 19th century factory workers |
| 02:23.51 | NightHawkTheSane | where's here? |
| 02:23.59 | cbreak | switzerland |
| 02:24.39 | cbreak | if your public schools are so bad, it's probably an implementation problem |
| 02:24.46 | Jamash | yes |
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| 02:24.58 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: they're not quite as bad as we complain about. |
| 02:25.01 | Jamash | and a design problem |
| 02:25.04 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: but there ARE problems. |
| 02:25.05 | Jamash | and a funding problem |
| 02:25.13 | Jamash | and a philosophical problem |
| 02:26.12 | ccox | Nighthawk - if you think they aren't that bad, go visit Mississippi |
| 02:26.38 | ccox | but yes, if we listen to the far-right wing, our schools will get worse |
| 02:26.40 | Jamash | All we really need to do is abolish the Defense Department and put about 50% of the money into the schools |
| 02:26.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: if we're talking national average here, you can't pull one state out and highlight it as the epitome of US schools. |
| 02:26.59 | ccox | Jamash - I wouldn't go that far |
| 02:27.11 | ccox | NightHawk - true |
| 02:27.15 | NightHawkTheSane | yes there are some VERY poor schools. likewise, there are some very GOOD schools. |
| 02:27.37 | ccox | Nighthawk - none of them seem to be doing a perfect job, but there are some states doing an extremely poor job |
| 02:28.00 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't believe it's possible to do a 'perfect' job. ;) |
| 02:28.23 | Jamash | even if you don't go that far, the budget deficits due to war spending are a major impediment to public education |
| 02:28.26 | ckknight | http://www.schoolandstate.org/Case/case2.htm |
| 02:28.28 | ccox | Nighthawk - when I stop complaining, then it's perfect :-) |
| 02:28.37 | ccox | Jamash - yes |
| 02:28.46 | Jamash | billions for defense, but not one penny for social spending |
| 02:29.08 | ccox | Jamash - but look at the budget scales for education versus DoD-- you don't have to abolish it to fund education properly |
| 02:29.32 | ccox | I can remember who said: "I dream of a day when schools are fully funded and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber" |
| 02:29.33 | cbreak | defense contractors have a more vocal loby than pupils. |
| 02:29.47 | ccox | cbreak - yep, and more politicians in their pockets |
| 02:30.09 | NightHawkTheSane | which is easy to do when the government is already slipping billions in your pockets. |
| 02:30.12 | NightHawkTheSane | funny how that works. |
| 02:30.38 | Mike-N-Go | ~seen kyth |
| 02:30.50 | purl | Mike-N-Go: i haven't seen 'kyth' |
| 02:31.03 | Gnarfoz | heh |
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| 02:31.12 | Gnarfoz | I *did* say so. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10031703-56.html |
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| 02:32.10 | Jamash | http://www.schoolandstate.org/Bios/MF-interview.htm |
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| 02:32.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: .. do you want a cookie? :P |
| 02:32.24 | Jamash | quote: "Public schools are based on four false premises: 1. Welfare works, 2. Socialism works, 3. Parents have insufficient wisdom, and 4. We can teach character without mentioning God." |
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| 02:33.05 | Jamash | So, there's your school-and-state seperation dude in a nutshell |
| 02:33.24 | NightHawkTheSane | I like how religion slips in there. that's nice. |
| 02:33.47 | ccox | Jamash - I think you mean "this statement is based on false premeses..." |
| 02:34.03 | Jamash | I didn't write that |
| 02:34.29 | ccox | www.gop.org? |
| 02:34.35 | Mike-N-Go | Macniel |
| 02:34.38 | Mike-N-Go | ~seen Macniel |
| 02:34.40 | purl | macniel <i=Gaius@host-091-097-106-173.ewe-ip-backbone.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 297d 4h 14m 4s ago, saying: 'maybe i ask in the authoring forum, because in germany its late i 'm going to school ^.^ bye and see ya next time'. |
| 02:34.45 | ckknight | on the flip side, some public schools in deranged states have been teaching (or have come close to teaching) that evolution is "only a theory". Why shouldn't I be able to teach my children the truth about it all and the scientific basis behind evolution? |
| 02:34.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: he linked the url a minute ago. |
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| 02:35.06 | Mike-N-Go | Dang, where has he been this past year? |
| 02:35.06 | ccox | ah, missed that one |
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| 02:35.14 | cbreak | what a rubish quote jamash |
| 02:35.51 | Jamash | I sniffed it out with my ulterior-motive-senses |
| 02:36.34 | ccox | omg what a load of crap that site is! |
| 02:36.59 | Jamash | just like the "taxpayer's associations" are run by lunatic liberterians, the "school choice" organizations are run by right-wing religious types |
| 02:37.05 | ccox | it almost reads like a parody site |
| 02:38.52 | ckknight | <--- libertarian |
| 02:38.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ^-- lunatic. ;) |
| 02:39.05 | ckknight | I'm not a religious type, though |
| 02:39.07 | ckknight | at least |
| 02:39.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: the phrase "truth is stranger than fiction" was coined for a reason. |
| 02:39.37 | ccox | <--- centrist, doesn't belong to a party because I can think for myself |
| 02:39.56 | NightHawkTheSane | bah, don't confuse independent thought with party membership |
| 02:39.58 | Jamash | <--- liberal, belongs to a party because I can think for myself too |
| 02:39.59 | NightHawkTheSane | they're entirely unrelated. |
| 02:40.16 | NightHawkTheSane | (ok, not entirely, but..) |
| 02:40.41 | ckknight | yea, on the left-right scale, I'm somewhere near the bottom |
| 02:40.42 | ckknight | :-P |
| 02:40.52 | ccox | Nighthawk - when someone defines their beliefs by party affiliation, they have ceased to think for themself |
| 02:41.01 | Jamash | Saying that independents are smarter because they're not bound to party ideology is just as easy as saying independents are dumber because they can't make up their minds |
| 02:41.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: maybe, but what about the reverse, defining their party affiliation by their beliefs? |
| 02:41.27 | ccox | Jamash - nobody said smarter or dumber |
| 02:41.51 | ccox | NIghthawk - yes, sometimes that happens, but do every single one of their beliefs align perfectly with the party? |
| 02:41.56 | cbreak | green party! |
| 02:42.18 | Jamash | lolgreen |
| 02:42.33 | ccox | and yet many people "vote the party ticket" without considering the issues or their own beliefs, because "it's my partty" |
| 02:42.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: probably not, but, to take myself as an example: I define myself as a democrat. not because I believe the party line, but becaue the party line is reasonably close to my beliefs. I disagree on somethings, but less so than I disagree with other parties. |
| 02:42.45 | Jamash | what NightHawkTheSane said |
| 02:42.47 | ccox | Nighthawk - good |
| 02:43.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: point being, the blanket statement of "doesn't belong to a party because I can think for myself" is a poor and invalid generalization. :) |
| 02:43.20 | ckknight | yellow dog democrats ftw? |
| 02:43.22 | ckknight | :-P |
| 02:43.32 | Jamash | I'm much closer to the greens in terms of belief but I vote democrat because I would like to actually influence things in some way, however small |
| 02:43.34 | NightHawkTheSane | it goes both ways, with left, right, center, whoever. |
| 02:43.47 | ccox | Nighthawk - or a way to get people all riled up and talking about it :-P |
| 02:44.03 | Jamash | the whole left-right thing is a crock anyway |
| 02:44.09 | Jamash | it's worse than alignment in D&D |
| 02:44.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: pretty much |
| 02:44.25 | ckknight | woo, Chaotic Neutral! |
| 02:44.30 | cbreak | two party system must suck |
| 02:44.35 | ckknight | cbreak: quite |
| 02:44.40 | Jamash | people try to take a hundred different axes of belief and run them all together |
| 02:44.59 | NightHawkTheSane | it's just another way to categorize people into neat little boxes so the ruling class can create perceived strife. |
| 02:45.31 | ckknight | gonads and strife! |
| 02:45.33 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: again, the term "lesser of two evils" was coined for a reason. ;) |
| 02:45.41 | Jamash | of course proportional representation is sooo much better at serving the needs of the people, amirite? |
| 02:45.49 | cbreak | vote cthulu, why settle for the lesser evil? |
| 02:46.24 | ccox | cbreak - worst part is how some people think the US *is* a two party system (we're not!) |
| 02:46.31 | cbreak | you're not? |
| 02:46.37 | Jamash | oh, we are, we just pretend not to be, some of the time |
| 02:46.49 | cbreak | I've looked at those primary thingies on the net, they only seem to mention two parties |
| 02:46.59 | ccox | cbreak - yep, "they only mention" |
| 02:47.10 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* there ARE more than 2 political parties. |
| 02:47.17 | ccox | cbreak - we have at least 20 parties running at any given time |
| 02:47.25 | NightHawkTheSane | however, and this is fairly recursive, none but the two major ones have significant influence. |
| 02:47.28 | ccox | cbreak - but most of the ones winning are from the big 2 |
| 02:47.30 | Jamash | there's greens, libertarians, american independents, progressive somethings, etc |
| 02:47.43 | cbreak | oh, right |
| 02:47.44 | ccox | we even have an active socialist party |
| 02:47.50 | ccox | (just not taken very seriously) |
| 02:47.54 | cbreak | I read about the "Alaska Independence Party" |
| 02:47.56 | NightHawkTheSane | of course, the reason they don't gain influence is because people continue to think that they don't have influence, so don't vote for them, etc, etc. |
| 02:47.57 | Jamash | ross perot's old party |
| 02:48.23 | Jamash | With a winner-take-all voting system, they don't have any influence except in very specific circumstances |
| 02:48.31 | cbreak | I think it's because you have a president |
| 02:48.46 | ccox | it would help if the media didn't keep referring to things as a "two party system", and covered the other candidates |
| 02:48.57 | ccox | it would also help if Ross Perot wasn't so #!$%@#$% laughable |
| 02:49.02 | Jamash | or then again it might not |
| 02:49.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: its not strictly any one thing. It's the collective effect of all those things put together, it's so firmly entrenched in our collective belief, that changing it is nearly impossible. |
| 02:49.54 | Jamash | Look at any other country's politics, they're just as screwed up as the US, but they use different words for it |
| 02:50.02 | ccox | Nighthawk - yes |
| 02:50.39 | ccox | I think things would change if a large part of one party's elected officials formed another party (which is how we have our current parties) |
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| 02:50.47 | ccox | Jamash - some are even more screwed up |
| 02:51.08 | ccox | Jamash - and some are so screwed up it makes for entertainment |
| 02:51.21 | Jamash | if you don't live there, yeah |
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| 02:51.44 | ccox | Jamash - hey, some are entertaining even if you do live there (Italy anyone?) |
| 02:52.00 | Jamash | I've heard about that, they still have functioning Communist parties, do they not? |
| 02:52.44 | ccox | Jamash - many countries do, some even have socialist governments |
| 02:55.06 | ccox | alright, I gotta get some dinner |
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| 03:00.04 | Dashkal | Cairenn: ping |
| 03:00.13 | Cairenn | Dashkal: pong |
| 03:00.28 | Dashkal | Would you be so kind as to kick my ghost? I left my work PC on accidently |
| 03:00.32 | Dashkal | here and wowace |
| 03:00.49 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.54 | Dashkal | it'll autoreconnect |
| 03:01.00 | Dashkal | I just did that to reclaim Dashkal without the _ |
| 03:01.10 | Sargeras | Cairenn: hug |
| 03:01.56 | Cairenn | only way I can keep it out of channel is by banning |
| 03:02.11 | Dashkal | it shouldn't rejoin. At least I had better have that box unchecked |
| 03:02.21 | Cairenn | okay, I'll try |
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| 03:03.11 | Thrae | Respectable people always "have that box unchecked". |
| 03:03.54 | Thrae | I know in the IRC client I use, it's off by default and the help for it says "DO NOT ENABLE THIS UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. THIS IS VERY ANNOYING!" |
| 03:05.38 | Dashkal | *nodnog* |
| 03:05.58 | Dashkal | I have really got to start using irsii or some other such thing and just ssh/screen |
| 03:06.59 | Dashkal | I need a box I can leave booted for that. My gaming rig won't do. I use it as a linux server when at work and a windows gaming desktop at home. lotsa reboots |
| 03:07.19 | Thrae | Need a separate box. |
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| 03:07.53 | Jamash | I use my old desktop as a linux server |
| 03:08.50 | Dashkal | That's my plan, but I need the cash to upgrade first. |
| 03:09.49 | Thrae | Dashkal: Better to wait until Nelham / Core i7 and *next* Nvidia lineup (not 280) become affordable. |
| 03:10.00 | Jamash | I also run Cygwin on windows for some unixy things |
| 03:10.08 | Dashkal | There's _always_ an upgrade coming. I'd wait forever if I did that |
| 03:10.40 | Thrae | Well, these are major technology breakthroughs compared to the last few years. |
| 03:11.05 | Dashkal | true, but affordable is likely when the next generation is released |
| 03:11.19 | Thrae | I guess it depends on how old your current setup is. |
| 03:11.25 | Dashkal | 2 years |
| 03:11.40 | Thrae | Ah, well then even a Dual Core would suffice |
| 03:11.51 | Dashkal | I have a dual core AMD right now. |
| 03:12.00 | Thrae | Right, so you don't have much ;) |
| 03:12.11 | Dashkal | hey, AMD in that generation is respectable :p |
| 03:12.29 | Thrae | Nah, they lost respect the day Core 2 Duos came out. |
| 03:12.33 | Dashkal | Going intel for this upgrade of course. |
| 03:12.55 | Dashkal | Considering a quad given that this PC will eventually become a server |
| 03:13.06 | Dashkal | but depends on my budget |
| 03:13.38 | Thrae | 45nm is pretty cheap |
| 03:17.24 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 | "AckisWork: you keep garbage around..." - Cide |
| 03:20.55 | Shirik | nah, peppy had a good one |
| 03:21.21 | Shirik | unfortunately I lost it :( |
| 03:21.23 | Shirik | peppy wins this round |
| 03:22.29 | Shirik | Omg, Cairenn, are you serious? |
| 03:22.38 | Cairenn | huh? |
| 03:22.38 | Shirik | "We are also giving Iolanthe an honourable mention" |
| 03:22.42 | Shirik | Brits.... |
| 03:22.46 | Shirik | they have invaded your mind |
| 03:23.07 | Cairenn | no, I just spell it correctly |
| 03:23.20 | Shirik | The USA invented English |
| 03:23.24 | Shirik | we know how to spell correctly |
| 03:23.25 | Cairenn | no |
| 03:23.28 | Shirik | :P |
| 03:23.33 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 03:24.05 | kd3 | and whee at buying finally committing to hotel and airfare |
| 03:24.14 | kd3 | s/buying// |
| 03:24.17 | Shirik | ~lart Thrae |
| 03:24.18 | purl | does a little 'renice 20 -u Thrae' |
| 03:24.24 | Shirik | oh, renice! |
| 03:24.28 | Shirik | I know what that does now! |
| 03:25.05 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, it doesn't make you nice. :( |
| 03:25.38 | Shirik | isn't 20 rather high though? |
| 03:25.47 | Shirik | I would think that if you were to do a ~lart it should go low |
| 03:25.53 | Shirik | Or maybe QNX does things differently than Linux |
| 03:25.58 | Jamash | higher niceness means lower priority |
| 03:26.05 | Shirik | ah, see that's backwards from QNX |
| 03:26.09 | Jamash | so nice 20 is as low as it goes |
| 03:26.11 | Shirik | in QNX renice just sets process priority |
| 03:26.28 | Shirik | and 255 is max priority except for 0, but 0 is procnto |
| 03:26.36 | Shirik | so 1 would be the lowest |
| 03:27.07 | Thrae | Hey, I shall spell things the way I want. Just because English can come in a few flavours doesn't mean they aren't all tastey. |
| 03:27.29 | Thrae | And I shall use double negatives like there is no tomorrow! |
| 03:28.29 | Shirik | English only comes in two flavors: American and wrong |
| 03:28.53 | Shirik | (No I don't really think this way, I'm just bored) |
| 03:29.33 | Thrae | And I think 255 being the highest priority is silly...usually 1 is the highest priority, unless you're processing a stack instead of a queue. |
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| 03:35.40 | Thrae | For "nospam", you sure like to do a lot of join/parts ;) |
| 03:36.19 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:36.26 | Shirik | it's my damn laptop and desktop conflicting with each other |
| 03:36.34 | Shirik | they each see Shirik online and auto-ghost it |
| 03:36.36 | Shirik | I need to change that |
| 03:37.09 | Thrae | A laptop and desktop fighting for dominance? Hmm, like the Aircraft Carrier taking on a small Destroyer. |
| 03:37.24 | Shirik | my laptop is actually more powerful >.> |
| 03:37.28 | Thrae | The Destroyer may be mobile...but those Carrier guns hurt! |
| 03:37.44 | Thrae | Oh, that's why it's giving you so much trouble then. The Carrier is from 1904. |
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| 03:53.38 | Syzgyn | Oh man, I got my guild to go do AQ40 |
| 03:53.40 | Syzgyn | this is badass |
| 03:56.00 | Shirik | what's the Lua function to move forward? |
| 03:56.13 | Jamash | there is none! ah ah ah ah ah! |
| 03:56.38 | Shirik | that's not true Jamash |
| 03:56.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: "move forward"? |
| 03:56.54 | Jamash | ok, there are but they're protected |
| 03:56.56 | Jamash | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Movement_Functions |
| 03:56.56 | Shirik | move character forward |
| 03:57.07 | Shirik | WoWWiki says it should be MoveForwardStart |
| 03:57.10 | Shirik | but that doesn't exist |
| 03:57.15 | Shirik | and I don't care if it's protected, all I asked is what it was |
| 03:57.37 | Shirik | oh, I just fail at spelling Forward |
| 03:57.40 | NightHawkTheSane | MoveForwardStart=<function [MoveForwardStart]> |
| 03:57.45 | NightHawkTheSane | I think it does exist. : |
| 03:57.46 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 03:58.24 | Shirik | perfect, all movements exist |
| 03:58.39 | NightHawkTheSane | what is this for, if i might ask? |
| 03:58.48 | Jamash | might I ask...beat'd |
| 03:58.59 | Shirik | I'm going to make a bot |
| 03:59.03 | Jamash | lawl |
| 03:59.13 | NightHawkTheSane | oh.. kay.. |
| 03:59.21 | Shirik | No actually, I'm going to be doing some analysis on players to see if I can create an AI that can help you improve your raiding |
| 03:59.34 | Shirik | It's just in conceptual phases right now |
| 03:59.40 | Shirik | but it was an idea I had |
| 04:00.14 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. interesting |
| 04:00.14 | Jamash | find out when people fail to respond to raid warnings, that sort of thing? |
| 04:00.26 | Shirik | Something that learns your playstyle, compares it to known strategies, and offers suggestions |
| 04:00.46 | Shirik | for example: if the tank is taking a lot of damage and dying a lot on a fight, check to see if the player is pre-casting |
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| 04:00.58 | Jamash | sounds like a lot of work |
| 04:01.05 | Shirik | I never denied that |
| 04:01.19 | Shirik | Naturally a modular approach would be the only real answer |
| 04:01.24 | Shirik | first I have to finish Lua squared though |
| 04:01.29 | Shirik | that's way more important |
| 04:01.42 | NightHawkTheSane | lua squared? is that you're in-game virtual environment thing? |
| 04:01.42 | Jamash | what's that? |
| 04:02.00 | Shirik | yup |
| 04:02.05 | Shirik | the Lua VM implemented in Lua |
| 04:02.10 | Jamash | O_O |
| 04:02.13 | NightHawkTheSane | how's that coming anyway? |
| 04:02.16 | Shirik | not bad actually |
| 04:02.18 | NightHawkTheSane | (yes he's crazy) |
| 04:02.29 | Shirik | I ran into an issue on one of the opcodes |
| 04:02.32 | Shirik | but working around that |
| 04:03.25 | Shirik | Amusingly, I have asked lhf about one of the opcodes |
| 04:03.29 | Shirik | and why one of the parameters exist |
| 04:03.39 | Shirik | and he says to me "Yeah, I don't know why it exists, but we use it here..." |
| 04:03.53 | Shirik | (lhf being one of the devs of Lua) |
| 04:05.35 | Shirik | so some of it is just reverse engineering that I'm having to do, but so far it's coming along well |
| 04:05.48 | Jamash | So, what's the intended use of lua squared? Debugging aid? |
| 04:08.04 | Shirik | exactly, Jamash |
| 04:08.09 | Shirik | WoW doesn't provide us with the debug library |
| 04:08.17 | Shirik | by having a Lua VM in Lua, we can implement that debug library ourselves |
| 04:08.25 | Jamash | fascinating |
| 04:08.27 | Shirik | in fact, we can go further than that and mess with the opcodes directly if we want to |
| 04:08.53 | Shirik | It does obviously slow down execution significantly, however, and more importantly it requires a level of separation |
| 04:09.19 | Shirik | We can pass info in between Blizzard's VM and Lua2's |
| 04:09.28 | Shirik | however, we can't just make everythign work in Lua2 |
| 04:09.42 | Corgan | is storm peaks still closed? |
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| 04:12.43 | Corrodias | interesting idea |
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| 04:22.11 | Cairenn | hrm - temp banning someone for being a complete fucktard - got any suggestions on how to politely tell them that that is why they are temp banned? can't very well put "because you were being a complete fucktard" even though it's accurate |
| 04:22.45 | ckknight | "tone it down, guy" |
| 04:23.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: this is why i avoid being in charge.. "because you were being a complete fucktard" seems fine to me. ;) |
| 04:24.30 | Cairenn | went with "inappropriate behaviour" |
| 04:24.38 | Cairenn | they're lucky it isn't a full ban |
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| 04:27.18 | Shirik | ANYWAY |
| 04:27.20 | Shirik | nn time |
| 04:28.25 | Shirik|zZz | !!!! |
| 04:28.28 | Shirik|zZz | Who did this to my schedule! |
| 04:28.37 | Shirik|zZz | SE_399_01DB M TBA DB TBA TBA L 08/25/08 08/FA 3.00cr New |
| 04:28.37 | Shirik|zZz | Sp Topics Software En |
| 04:28.42 | Shirik|zZz | "Sp Topics Software Eng." |
| 04:28.45 | Shirik|zZz | <-- NOT A SOFTWARE ENGINEER |
| 04:28.48 | Shirik|zZz | night |
| 04:29.20 | |Jelly| | night |
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| 04:35.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh-oh |
| 04:35.26 | ScytheBlade1 | PTR forums are up |
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| 04:36.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11572&sid=1 |
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| 04:39.41 | NightHawkTheSane | that bodes well |
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| 05:06.30 | Cairenn | NSFW: http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/zack-miri-make-porno/red-band-trailer |
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| 05:16.11 | |Jelly| | Yes. |
| 05:21.29 | Sixen | Oh god @sbo.. |
| 05:21.45 | Sixen | Unofficial 3.0.2 PTR FAQ |
| 05:21.48 | Sixen | What the fuck? |
| 05:22.05 | Tekkub | that the fuck |
| 05:22.42 | Sixen | -_- |
| 05:23.43 | Cairenn | ? |
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| 05:24.53 | Wobin | woot |
| 05:24.55 | Wobin | flight form! |
| 05:25.07 | Tekkub | dear blizzard, please make shoveltusks stop sounding like quillboars, thank you |
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| 05:50.30 | Sixen | S4 was releawed, right? |
| 05:50.32 | Sixen | released* |
| 05:52.00 | [SW]Dodge | yes |
| 05:56.43 | Sixen | Mmm, thought so. |
| 05:57.05 | Sixen | Anyone that feels like it can bump/sticky request: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336522407 - I'd appreciate it, =]. |
| 05:59.52 | Cairenn | sticky request'ed |
| 06:02.20 | Sixen | Thanks Cairenn, =). |
| 06:02.27 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 06:02.44 | Sixen | Oh, don't know if you saw it but I checkd the first day the WotLK Credits went up |
| 06:02.49 | Sixen | You and Iriel were thanked again, =) |
| 06:03.05 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 06:03.24 | Sixen | Something along the lines of: "Thanks to Iriel, Cairenn, and the rest of the UI&M Folk" |
| 06:03.48 | Cairenn | that's sweet :) |
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| 06:05.34 | Sixen | =] |
| 06:11.34 | Tekkub | anyone leveled up inscription since last build? |
| 06:11.45 | Jamash | are there new patterns? |
| 06:11.46 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, why? |
| 06:11.49 | Tekkub | I'm curious how many levels inks last before they green out |
| 06:11.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ~10 |
| 06:11.58 | purl | There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. |
| 06:12.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 06:12.06 | Jamash | ahahaha |
| 06:12.07 | Tekkub | that's what I was guessing |
| 06:12.18 | Tekkub | and there's 100 types of people... |
| 06:12.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: although, at 250 skill, the ink you learn (Shimmering Ink) appears to start out grey. |
| 06:13.08 | Tekkub | eew, that's also when shit starts taking 3 inks |
| 06:13.13 | NightHawkTheSane | yes. |
| 06:13.22 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.23 | NightHawkTheSane | not that that matters currently, as only druid glyphs are unbugged |
| 06:13.35 | Tekkub | I know, I used them to make my list |
| 06:14.00 | Tekkub | think I should just ignore the inks and make my guide only expect skillups from the glyphs? |
| 06:14.11 | Tekkub | it'd be a little extra in mats, but not a ton |
| 06:14.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: *shrug* if your going optimum route, skilling up off inks, at sub 250 at least, is valuable and easy |
| 06:14.53 | Tekkub | I'm not highly concerned with optimum |
| 06:15.06 | Tekkub | just want to make a good list of herbs to stockpile on live |
| 06:15.33 | Tekkub | I'd rather overestimate that and sell off the extras when the demand skyrockets |
| 06:16.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, if you're just making a rough list of herbs to grab, and not an optimal skillup guide, thats fine |
| 06:16.50 | ccox | Tekkub - expect more changes in inscriptions before release.... |
| 06:16.58 | NightHawkTheSane | that too |
| 06:17.05 | NightHawkTheSane | currently there's nothing that uses the uncommon inks. *shrug* |
| 06:17.06 | Tekkub | well duh |
| 06:17.17 | Tekkub | they just showed up this build |
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| 06:17.42 | ccox | all the inks get used, except for the level 300 stuff (because 300 is currently the cap) |
| 06:18.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i've yet to see any current recipes use the green inks... |
| 06:18.35 | Tekkub | none do |
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| 07:01.11 | Syzgyn | Hah, theres a book on an island in Sholazar that shows the Lost Numbers |
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| 07:11.49 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: is there any way that Bartender3 would be calling SelectQuestLogEntry()? |
| 07:13.13 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: because I'm getting a report that LightHeaded is paging constantly.. and thats removing BT3 fixed it |
| 07:13.27 | cladhaire | I've got a "Fix" in the works that should hopefully resolve the issue fully.. but its part of a larger rewrite of things |
| 07:13.40 | cladhaire | just wondering if you can provide any other info :P |
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| 08:01.36 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 08:01.43 | Cairenn | truth in advertising |
| 08:01.45 | Corgan | nom nom nom |
| 08:01.57 | Cairenn | http://h1.ripway.com/Hotcheeka/WoW%20Phisher/index.html%5Dwww.worldofwarcraft.com%5B/url |
| 08:02.01 | Cairenn | don't click ;) |
| 08:02.32 | Corgan | I wrote a winamp plugin today :D |
| 08:02.34 | Cairenn | it just amuses me that they've actually got "phisher" in the link itself! |
| 08:02.38 | Corgan | lol |
| 08:03.37 | Corgan | crash course in C++ ;D |
| 08:03.56 | Corgan | Best way to learn, amirite? |
| 08:04.05 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:08.17 | krka | i clicked it! |
| 08:08.30 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:11.58 | [SW]Dodge | Corgan: what does your winamp plugin do? :D |
| 08:14.13 | haste | winamp :( |
| 08:14.37 | haste | I really don't have the right to comment on that anymore tho' :p |
| 08:17.38 | Kalroth | foooobaaaar |
| 08:17.50 | Kalroth | or xmplay :p |
| 08:17.55 | haste | I find foobar lacking also |
| 08:18.07 | Kalroth | lacking what? |
| 08:18.10 | haste | quodlibet is nice however |
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| 08:18.16 | haste | in support for my OCD tagging |
| 08:18.31 | Kalroth | OCD tagging being? |
| 08:18.32 | [SW]Dodge | ocd taggig? |
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| 08:18.34 | haste | you can fix most of the issues, but so much work |
| 08:19.14 | haste | I have a bunch of custom tags for a set of my music |
| 08:19.26 | haste | and I like to generate playlist on the fly based on those |
| 08:20.08 | zenzelezz | don't think I've used any MP3 player other than Winamp for years... can vaguely remember K-Jöfol years and years ago |
| 08:20.29 | torokokill` | i used mirc script mp3 players for a while |
| 08:24.02 | Maldivia | go Foobar2000 :) |
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| 08:55.39 | Corgan | [SW]Dodge, it just sends track information to a php script |
| 08:55.39 | Corgan | :p |
| 08:56.16 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 08:56.38 | [SW]Dodge | my plugin shows stuff on my G15 LCD ;D |
| 09:00.13 | Industrial | http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/astley.gif |
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| 09:03.38 | Corgan | I've never done anything is C++ before lol |
| 09:04.37 | [SW]Dodge | :) |
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| 09:15.24 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: if youre awake, kick taron from #wowace |
| 09:15.34 | Arrowmaster | nvm |
| 09:15.38 | [SW]Dodge | Arrowmaster: taron is k-lined ^^ |
| 09:16.08 | Cairenn | yeah, saw that, was just about to kick when the kline happened |
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| 09:17.57 | Dave2 | Been a while since I've seen that one around. |
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| 09:51.14 | Wobin | narf? |
| 09:51.53 | haste | arion? |
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| 10:05.43 | luc2 | hello :] |
| 10:10.02 | haste | haroo |
| 10:10.21 | luc2 | i'm catching the COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED / SPELL_CAST_START / Rebirth, but the parameters don't tell me who is being resurrected... :( |
| 10:10.47 | luc2 | any clues ? |
| 10:13.34 | haste | most likely too early for any answers |
| 10:14.30 | haste | I haven't played with the combat log in ages, but you can most likely use a guid to unit lookup and check the target |
| 10:14.42 | haste | or just watch the casting events |
| 10:14.45 | foxlit | luc2: you can't tell |
| 10:15.06 | foxlit | Not based on SPELL_CAST_START, anyhow |
| 10:15.43 | foxlit | (Casting feedback doesn't tell you who the spell is being cast on -- just who is casting what spell) |
| 10:15.48 | foxlit | That is also somewhat intended. |
| 10:16.27 | [Liquidor] | haste, but it's possible to cast a spell on someone without targeting them, flaw? |
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| 10:17.07 | haste | it was a suggested solution with the data available |
| 10:17.34 | starlon | mmmm data |
| 10:20.19 | luc2 | in the x-perl addon, when a rebirth is casted, the name of the druid who is casting is displayed in the dead friend's square. how do x-perl do that ? |
| 10:20.43 | haste | listen to the casting events |
| 10:21.10 | foxlit | Read x-perl and find out? |
| 10:21.23 | luc2 | but the way they code is too complicated to me |
| 10:21.47 | haste | take a look at blizzards castbar code |
| 10:21.53 | haste | it's pretty straight forward |
| 10:22.05 | foxlit | haste: you're missing something |
| 10:22.13 | haste | I am? |
| 10:22.28 | foxlit | Yes, ever so slightly :) |
| 10:22.40 | foxlit | You can tell that a druid is casting rebirth using the API |
| 10:22.43 | foxlit | You can't tell on whom |
| 10:23.03 | haste | oh, target is only on _SENT |
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| 10:25.22 | foxlit | Every raiding addon and their moms probably broadcast who you're resurrecting, however :) |
| 10:26.52 | luc2 | and if not ? |
| 10:27.01 | foxlit | Then you're doomed and what you want can't be done. |
| 10:27.13 | foxlit | In fact, it's the other way around. |
| 10:27.30 | foxlit | You're doomed and what you want can't be done, unless you implement and widely-deploy a workaround hack. |
| 10:27.43 | luc2 | what if i tell a guy to resurrect me without targetting me ? will x-perl detect the target or not ? |
| 10:28.06 | foxlit | If that guy is me, then no, it won't. |
| 10:28.42 | luc2 | i'll try... |
| 10:29.22 | zenzelezz | this reminds me of the addon Forecast that my guild used before BC |
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| 10:42.40 | foxlit | Any good way to resolve "04/Sep/2008:10:19:02 +0000" to a epoch-time in Lua? |
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| 10:49.36 | Wobin | woah |
| 10:49.39 | Wobin | bizzarre |
| 10:49.41 | Wobin | http://www.thedrinkshop.com/products/nlpdetail.php?prodid=4098 |
| 10:49.45 | Wobin | single malt vodka |
| 10:50.26 | zenzelezz | for those of us who don't speak alcoholingo, what does that mean? |
| 10:51.05 | Wobin | read the article |
| 10:51.18 | Wobin | single malt is usually used to describe whiskey |
| 10:51.21 | Wobin | not vodka |
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| 11:30.47 | Zeksie | luc2: It reads the CTRA addon channel for rezzing info. it's just another way of representing the res info |
| 11:36.30 | luc2 | ..... :] |
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| 12:19.26 | Mery | lol they mindlessly translate every single webpage it seems, even the "DirectTV" blizzcon page shows up in german! (hmm wonder where they speak german and can even receive the DirectTV feed) |
| 12:26.14 | doow | Mery: it's probably easier to just send all strings in the database to the translation company rather than checking everything for if it has to be translated |
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| 12:44.21 | Mery | yeah I know, and it is also probably a bad use experience to get to an english page coming from a link in a german one |
| 12:45.07 | alestane | Well, Germans as a general rule speak and read English far better than Americans speak or read German. |
| 12:46.30 | Mery | but at least all those playing the sometimes horrible german translation probably can't or don't want to :) |
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| 12:59.54 | doow | I actually downloaded the german version once just to hear the german voiceacting in MC. Ragnaros sounds much more badass in german =) |
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| 13:08.55 | Mery | yeah well we are pretty good on voice acting (as it has to be done for alot of films / tv series) - but to produce a good translation you usually have to put work into it (simpsons for example, you can translate every joke because they are based on the english language sometimes, but in return you get the opprtunity to put others in at differnt places, the first seasons did that, new ones... |
| 13:08.57 | Mery | ...feels like they were just rushed out - as if they got paid for every word instead of a good result) |
| 13:09.23 | Mery | you can't translate* |
| 13:12.59 | Industrial | voiceover is fail |
| 13:13.25 | Industrial | part of the reason why a lot of german people (and french too) dont speak english well. |
| 13:13.52 | Industrial | I can understand doing it for kids cartoons but for e.g. western movies... eww :P |
| 13:14.04 | Industrial | henden hogh johnsonn!, its just too retarded imo. |
| 13:15.03 | Industrial | subtitles are much better. |
| 13:15.25 | doow | Mery: of course, my german isn't good enough that I can detect good or bad german anyway, I'm just glad if I understand at all. |
| 13:16.29 | doow | Industrial: well, that's the right kind of thinking if we only all agree that everyone should speak english first... |
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| 13:19.08 | Industrial | doow: we can put the non believers in their little corner of fail while the rest of us, the majority, agree. >:3 |
| 13:19.27 | Lopeppeppy | Non. |
| 13:19.42 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: in the corner! |
| 13:19.47 | Lopeppeppy | Non. |
| 13:20.15 | doow | Industrial: I don't think he understands, try body languague |
| 13:20.21 | Mery | Industrial: that's a typical US view (of course by the movie makers and fans not by the nessesarily gerneral public) because you take out part of the actors achievement while shooting the film - I though think that a good voiceover can be just as good if not even better at times (because you can cast the voice independent from the actor) - not all are of course, the german joker was... |
| 13:20.23 | Mery | ...horrible if you heared the english one before |
| 13:20.35 | Industrial | yes, I'm dutch |
| 13:20.39 | Industrial | yet* |
| 13:20.56 | Mery | =) |
| 13:21.21 | Mery | still a quite common agument you hear from us movie makers |
| 13:21.31 | Industrial | well I don't watch anime in english either, i watch them in japanese with english subtitling |
| 13:21.49 | Industrial | it sounds retarded in english and not just because fo the culture gap |
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| 13:22.32 | doow | personally I like to consume media in the original language if it's a language I speak well, as I think the meaning and nuances gets through better, but since we can't know what language everyone speaks forcing people to use the original language isn't always a good option |
| 13:22.47 | doow | and we can't force everyone to learn every language |
| 13:22.55 | Industrial | thats why we have subtitling |
| 13:23.20 | Industrial | so you can at least pick out words and relate them to those in your own language i.e. learn. |
| 13:23.32 | doow | Industrial: subs often distracts from the visuals, I find myself staring at the bottom of the screen and missing half of what happens on it |
| 13:24.21 | Mery | doow: same.. |
| 13:24.30 | schnoggo | get a smaller screen :) |
| 13:24.47 | doow | schnoggo: or I could sit farther away =) |
| 13:24.49 | Lopeppeppy | doow, that's because I'm a girl, so if you have my gender wrong I seriously don't listen. :) |
| 13:24.52 | Industrial | if you dub everything you are creating a language barrier for yourself |
| 13:25.10 | doow | Lopeppeppy: sorry, didn't know that |
| 13:25.16 | Industrial | I know dutch english some german, some french, a little spanish, a little japanese, etc because I dont watch everything in dutch |
| 13:25.34 | Lopeppeppy | doow, you'll soon come to know the few females on this channel, we band together. |
| 13:25.36 | Industrial | and I didnt have to learn english from a book |
| 13:25.54 | doow | Lopeppeppy: should I be afraid? |
| 13:26.29 | Lopeppeppy | If you'd like. |
| 13:26.29 | Mery | doow: yes |
| 13:26.38 | doow | Lopeppeppy: =D |
| 13:27.06 | Lopeppeppy | Mery is smart. |
| 13:28.24 | doow | afraid it is then |
| 13:29.55 | Industrial | And dont get me started about people in the trade channel spamming in .. whatever bulgarian or greek :P |
| 13:30.27 | doow | swedish |
| 13:33.07 | Industrial | It doesnt matter what, it's offensive. Refusing to compromise (inglish is a compromise :P) is just a big fuck you to anyone that cant read it. my ignore list is too long :| |
| 13:33.27 | Industrial | and then they are surprised when i dont read their text when im in a pug or something because I ignored them |
| 13:33.47 | Lopeppeppy | Wonder if some of the common spam filter addons could be adapted for common words in other languages, so you get them filtered without Ignore. |
| 13:35.23 | doow | Lopeppeppy: you could probably train it pretty easy if you added some simple feature of marking "spam"-lines |
| 13:35.51 | doow | then just use words with a high frequency |
| 13:36.05 | Lopeppeppy | Oh la, coding is for you, I'm just here to inspire. |
| 13:36.24 | doow | =) |
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| 13:39.44 | crysli | If I want to run a function when a specific event fires, is there any other way to do it than 'if event == "SOME_EVENT" then bla bla bla end'? |
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| 13:42.00 | crysli | :( |
| 13:44.50 | Mery | you could do "table.SOME_EVENT = function() end" and call table[event]() or cou could create a new frame for every event, both are probably slower than the if elseif end and also i'm probably the wrong person to ask, there might be better ways |
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| 13:47.41 | crysli | Okay. It's a very small addon anyway, so the way I do it isn't too important. |
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| 13:55.16 | boshi | Is it possible to use the default unitframes drop down menus as part of my unitframes ? either by inheriting from a template, or calling a method inside my drop down load method ? |
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| 13:56.31 | ckknight | boshi: I do it in PitBull |
| 13:57.03 | boshi | ok, thanks, i'll DL and check it out |
| 13:58.42 | ckknight | boshi: are you coding for 2.4 or 3.0? |
| 13:59.05 | boshi | both if i can ... im in 2.4 mode right now |
| 13:59.16 | ckknight | okay |
| 13:59.24 | ckknight | yea, then stick with PitBull 3 |
| 13:59.43 | ckknight | PitBull4's WoW 3.0-only, so it may not work as well |
| 13:59.46 | ckknight | but the code's cleaner |
| 14:00.35 | boshi | ok, so looking at the code, it starts with registerUnitWatch() ? |
| 14:01.01 | kneeki | I need to create 60 buttons. However, I don't think creating them asynchronously is the best option since the self cast modifier is still borked. Is XML my next best option? These buttons will hold spells |
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| 14:23.04 | boshi | ckknight: thank you. frame_menu() showed me everything I need |
| 14:23.12 | ckknight | k |
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| 14:53.36 | Industrial | haste: Do you know of a private bt tracker that has lossless anime OST's? only one im on for movies and ost's right now is asiandvdclub.org (free reg atm) |
| 14:53.57 | haste | nope |
| 14:54.02 | Industrial | damn :P |
| 14:54.02 | haste | jpopsuki might have some |
| 14:54.16 | haste | what are you after tho'? |
| 14:54.25 | Industrial | well I can search by author if I know the song/artist |
| 14:55.05 | haste | boxtorrents might also have some lossless now :p |
| 14:58.37 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/df6ea46be7f91b9dafe76fb3d3217986.png |
| 14:58.42 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5dee76c0ea0693a3301a055a50126218.png |
| 14:58.47 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e64c2055f4d96a0d502656e672dec266.png |
| 14:58.55 | Industrial | and why yes, I'm installing spore atm =D |
| 14:59.43 | haste | so you want all those OSTs :p ? |
| 15:00.06 | haste | I can rip the kenshin one if you want it :p |
| 15:01.39 | haste | and the touhou one |
| 15:01.54 | haste | iosys - æ±æ¹æ²³æ³çè¼æ± |
| 15:02.09 | Industrial | if possible i'd like to get my hands on some of them :P it was just an example |
| 15:02.21 | Industrial | I'd like to play my fav's when I want, not just when they fly by on the radio |
| 15:02.59 | Larana | It's really irriatating to not be able to organize my bookmarks the way I want in FF3. |
| 15:03.00 | haste | you can dump me a list of favs :p |
| 15:03.12 | haste | I have _all_ the touhou stuff they have at animenfo |
| 15:03.24 | Industrial | ;o |
| 15:03.42 | haste | most of it is already ripped and tagged to death also |
| 15:04.06 | wereHamster | was spore released recently? |
| 15:04.24 | haste | yesterday or so |
| 15:04.34 | wereHamster | with drm I assume |
| 15:04.34 | haste | no idea if it was "released" however |
| 15:04.53 | haste | it appeared on a bunch of BT trackers at least |
| 15:05.08 | wereHamster | any experience with spore under wine? |
| 15:05.27 | kneeki | lol |
| 15:05.30 | haste | I would download and test it |
| 15:05.37 | haste | but my CPU is shit, so I cba :p |
| 15:06.02 | p3lim | Industrial: where did you get Spore? |
| 15:06.08 | kneeki | lol |
| 15:06.16 | kneeki | 4035 seeds on PB for spore =p |
| 15:06.18 | haste | Industrial: dump me a list and I'll see what I can fill |
| 15:07.52 | Industrial | p3lim: the internets |
| 15:07.59 | p3lim | torrent? |
| 15:08.32 | haste | wereHamster: it has a entry on the appdb |
| 15:08.45 | wereHamster | I only found the spore creator |
| 15:09.30 | haste | wereHamster: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=13652 |
| 15:09.53 | haste | it has a bronze rating, but that seems incorrect as it crashes |
| 15:10.51 | wereHamster | needs nocd. EA can go screw themselves. I'm not buying it |
| 15:11.29 | haste | I agree after reading on wikipedia :p |
| 15:11.36 | haste | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_(2008_video_game)#Digital_rights_management |
| 15:11.38 | haste | insanity |
| 15:12.23 | [Liquidor] | You guys know of any Profession chat bots? |
| 15:12.45 | Corrodias | the only bad part about that is that i've already run afoul of securom being overzealous in deciding no to let a program run. i think. |
| 15:12.54 | Corrodias | it's hard to tell, because it just silently exits instead of telling me what's wrong |
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| 15:14.51 | Corrodias | the other stuff i could put up with, but the game actually -not running-, no. if there is a demo that lets me see if it will actually run, i'll try it, but otherwise i'm not buying. |
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| 15:31.10 | Corrodias | i really hope blizzard doesn't use such DRM on diablo 3 |
| 15:31.24 | Slakah | I doubt they will |
| 15:31.28 | Corrodias | i don't think i've ever heard about their stance on it |
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| 15:32.38 | Corrodias | well, time for work. bye |
| 15:35.27 | wereHamster | have they ever used DRM for any of their games? |
| 15:36.33 | Wikwocket | No, but iirc the last non-subscription game was War3, which released 6 years ago |
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| 15:38.02 | cbreak | oh, nice, the achievements are back on again in beta |
| 15:38.27 | wereHamster | diablo3 will be subscription? |
| 15:39.03 | krka | afaik, diablo3 will be pay once |
| 15:39.27 | Josh_Borke | i'm guessing diablo3 will be very similar to diablo2 where you can play it online if you have a valid key |
| 15:40.33 | Mery | and hopefully doesn't require the cd in your drive :P |
| 15:41.03 | Wikwocket | What I meant was, WoW was subscription, so DRM is less an issue. But for SC2 and Diablo3, DRM may be an issue |
| 15:41.26 | Fisker- | I believe that Blizzard intends to remove copy protection |
| 15:42.20 | cbreak | blizzard games work on os x and windows. I am not sure if the drm crap does the same. |
| 15:42.32 | Fisker- | well Spore is also available for mac |
| 15:42.34 | Fisker- | so i think so |
| 15:42.46 | Fisker- | But i seriously doubt that Blizzard has any reason to use it |
| 15:42.55 | ckknight | imo, they shouldn't worry about single-player copy protection, but require a unique serial key for multiplayer |
| 15:43.15 | Josh_Borke | i agree ckknight |
| 15:43.21 | Fisker- | I'm pretty sure that atleast in some interview about their new digital downloads and nocd patches |
| 15:43.25 | Mery | restricting battle.net access is probably enough to make everybody buy it that even intends on doing so, won't stop patched single player version anyway |
| 15:43.31 | Josh_Borke | i think the multiplayer is what makes these games so great |
| 15:43.41 | Fisker- | They said that in the future they wouldn't require a cd to play the game |
| 15:44.01 | Mery | :) nice |
| 15:44.03 | Fisker- | though obviously they can tie it into requiring some kind of login |
| 15:44.11 | Fisker- | With Blizzard Account and B.Net 2.0 |
| 15:44.20 | Josh_Borke | i'd be ok with that |
| 15:44.39 | Tem | ScytheBlade1: this is amusing. I look forward to my boss's reply. http://blog.uncommons.org/2008/05/23/visual-sourcesafe-a-public-service-announcement/ |
| 15:45.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: ha |
| 15:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 15:45.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I like the bold capital letters |
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| 15:47.34 | Tem | ScytheBlade1: my favorite part is the timezone issue |
| 15:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | still reading, sure I'll get there in a sec |
| 15:47.58 | ScytheBlade1 | okay rofl |
| 15:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That plus the purging of old data |
| 15:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 15:49.14 | Tem | yeah, I dicovered the joys of that yesterday |
| 15:49.57 | ScytheBlade1 | google "sourcesafe" |
| 15:50.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Second result |
| 15:50.06 | ScytheBlade1 | "Microsoft's Visual SourceSafe is bad software. You will regret using it." |
| 15:50.43 | Tem | lol |
| 15:51.36 | Fisker- | wats wrong with it? >:3 |
| 15:51.40 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.highprogrammer.com/alan/windev/sourcesafe.html |
| 15:51.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Read for yourself |
| 15:51.51 | Fisker- | "I paid for it why shouldn't it use" etc. |
| 15:52.33 | AckisWork | anyone here a member of blood legion? |
| 15:52.44 | ckknight | okay, I've heard your complaints, and clearly, I think we need to support VSS on Curseforge |
| 15:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I agree 100% |
| 15:52.54 | Tem | CIDE: fungerar det alls? |
| 15:52.56 | ckknight | (jk) |
| 15:53.04 | AckisWork | ckknight: make a ticket? |
| 15:53.08 | ckknight | lol |
| 15:53.13 | Fisker- | failtroll is fail AckisWork |
| 15:53.15 | ckknight | if you want to, you can |
| 15:53.18 | AckisWork | haha |
| 15:53.19 | ckknight | it'll be marked as Declined |
| 15:53.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/02/13/ |
| 15:53.34 | Fisker- | Where do you make tickets? |
| 15:53.34 | AckisWork | I always wanted to say that "Make a ticket" *beams* |
| 15:54.09 | Fisker- | i r srs codr |
| 15:54.15 | Fisker- | i will be taking my code somewhere else kthx |
| 15:54.18 | ckknight | Fisker-: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/ |
| 15:55.49 | Fisker- | http://i33.tinypic.com/dyng5f.jpg <-omg your software is defective, plx fix |
| 15:56.20 | Fisker- | i suck btw |
| 15:56.25 | Fisker- | forgot it was VSS :( |
| 15:56.55 | Fisker- | yay |
| 15:57.01 | Fisker- | Blizzard is doing feedback threads |
| 15:57.03 | Fisker- | and guess what |
| 15:57.05 | Fisker- | WERE NOT INVITED |
| 15:57.05 | Fisker- | WEE |
| 15:57.25 | wereHamster | ~failker |
| 15:58.30 | Fisker- | atleast i don't work like cog|work does |
| 15:59.08 | AckisWork | do you have a job Fisker-? |
| 16:00.37 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 16:00.54 | Fisker- | Employed as a fulltime troll for Blizzard |
| 16:01.30 | Fisker- | I know how to confuse and infuriate less able trolls |
| 16:01.39 | Fisker- | and by calling the bad trolls out i help them moderate the forums |
| 16:01.40 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 16:01.53 | AckisWork | ahh |
| 16:02.01 | AckisWork | :P |
| 16:02.58 | Fisker- | that is why you are currently B& |
| 16:11.14 | AckisWork | B&? |
| 16:11.33 | crysli | banned |
| 16:11.59 | AckisWork | oh |
| 16:12.00 | AckisWork | I see |
| 16:13.15 | AckisWork | anyways to get a NPC ID with just their name? |
| 16:13.22 | AckisWork | aside from looking it up on teh interwebs |
| 16:13.34 | cog|work | ~wtf B@W |
| 16:13.59 | Xinhuan | ~wtf <foo> |
| 16:14.04 | Fisker- | ~wtf n00bs |
| 16:14.04 | Xinhuan | fail |
| 16:14.06 | cog|work | ~wtf wtf |
| 16:14.55 | cog|work | srsly tho ... wtf B@W? Google fails at searching with symbols... |
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| 16:20.51 | Tem | cog|work: bored at work? |
| 16:21.30 | cog|work | that would make sense... |
| 16:21.37 | Xinhuan | try searching with quotes |
| 16:21.40 | Xinhuan | "B@W" ? |
| 16:21.55 | cog|work | -_- |
| 16:22.21 | cog|work | Xinhuan: google google punctuation |
| 16:22.34 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 16:23.07 | Larana | Ugh, my ms is over 1300 on live. |
| 16:23.31 | cog|work | O.o |
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| 16:24.07 | Xinhuan | that's cool, but i've seen higher and larger mortal strikes ;d |
| 16:24.20 | cog|work | remote location or shitty isp? |
| 16:24.51 | Larana | shitty isp, would be my guess, that or Lothar is about to implode. |
| 16:27.32 | Larana | I hate when I mistype my password into wow. |
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| 16:28.33 | wereHamster | Larana: how hard can it be to mistype 'asdf'? |
| 16:29.10 | Larana | Heh. Yeah, because most of the time, I don't think I mistyped it, so I get paranoid for a second. |
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| 16:29.55 | Thrae | That's not paranoia! |
| 16:31.01 | ckknight_ | wereHamster: aoeu, whoops |
| 16:31.15 | wereHamster | dvorak, right? |
| 16:31.25 | ckknight_ | yea, that was the joke |
| 16:31.28 | ckknight_ | I don't use dvorak, though |
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| 16:45.11 | kneeki | Can I destroy a frame I created using LUA instead of XML? |
| 16:45.27 | krka | kneeki: The name of the language is Lua, not LUA. |
| 16:45.33 | kneeki | Ah, sorry |
| 16:45.37 | kneeki | It's a bad habbit. =P |
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| 16:49.24 | Dashkal | kneeki: frames cannot be destroyed. Only a ui reload does that |
| 16:49.31 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: no way in hell BT3 is calling it |
| 16:49.36 | kneeki | That's what I was thinking. Thanks though! |
| 16:49.49 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: hrm... |
| 16:50.08 | nevcairiel | also, it used to work fine for me on BT3 |
| 16:50.13 | nevcairiel | but then again, i'm not using it anymore |
| 16:50.42 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh my enemy |
| 16:50.54 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 16:51.00 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: odd =/ |
| 16:51.06 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 16:51.14 | nevcairiel | i can test it, but *shrug |
| 16:51.26 | nevcairiel | I dont see how its possible |
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| 17:03.09 | kneeki | D'oh :( |
| 17:03.16 | kneeki | I need help optimizing my code |
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| 17:04.36 | foxlit | remove while (true) do end |
| 17:04.36 | kneeki | Anyone up for it? http://www.wowi.pastey.net/95421 |
| 17:04.43 | kneeki | lol |
| 17:05.13 | kneeki | Don't have any while()'s. But I do have two if-else-then statements |
| 17:05.29 | kneeki | And, since it's updating using OnUpdate(), it's doing it a lot |
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| 17:09.34 | Bouvi | Marilyn Monroe eat your heart out... http://lfgcomic.com/page/latest |
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| 17:09.52 | wereHamster | local num = tonumber((this:GetName()):match("%d+")) -> = this:GetID() and set the ID on the frame |
| 17:10.38 | wereHamster | local _, class = UnitClass("player") -> no need to call it in OnUpdate(), move it to the top of the lua file |
| 17:11.00 | kneeki | wereHamster: As good point! |
| 17:11.03 | kneeki | ah* |
| 17:11.07 | wereHamster | call getglobal(button..num) only once |
| 17:11.33 | wereHamster | other then that, I don't see much you could optimize |
| 17:12.00 | kneeki | wereHamster: Thank's a lot :) |
| 17:12.51 | wereHamster | do you see any lags when enabling that code? Or why do you want to optimize it? |
| 17:13.28 | wereHamster | >>> tostring() |
| 17:13.32 | wereHamster | >>> tostring(nil) |
| 17:13.45 | wereHamster | lua> print(tostring(nil)) |
| 17:13.45 | lua_bot | wereHamster: nil |
| 17:13.54 | kneeki | wereHamster: I was running into some FPS issues. This function, along with another I had (and already fixed) were the causes. I wasn't sure how I could optimize this function any more than I already did |
| 17:14.39 | wereHamster | I'd also replace tostring(ClassButtonsSpells[class][batch][spellNum]) with (ClassButtonsSpells[class][batch][spellNum] or "") |
| 17:16.26 | wereHamster | and do ClassButtonsSpells = {...}; local _, class = UnitClass("player"); local CurrentClassButtonsSpells = ClassButtonsSpells[class]; and then use CurrentClassButtonsSpells in the code later |
| 17:16.46 | wereHamster | that way you save yourself one table lookup |
| 17:17.33 | wereHamster | basically, everything that does not change at runtime, put into the top of the lua file and do it only once |
| 17:18.55 | alestane | kneeki: num, batch = num % 12, math.ceil(num / 12) |
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| 17:21.16 | Tem | ASFAGAVCA |
| 17:21.17 | Tem | I hate VSS |
| 17:21.38 | Tem | hate hate hate hate hate hate hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate] |
| 17:21.48 | Wikwocket | I wonder if Tem hates VSS |
| 17:21.49 | Tem | temsplosion |
| 17:22.06 | wereHamster | ~comfort Tem |
| 17:22.06 | purl | There, there, Tem. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:22.14 | Tem | email from: Tammy |
| 17:22.15 | p3lim | haste: <33 |
| 17:22.21 | Tem | Hey Matt, |
| 17:22.34 | Tem | I just got your latest changes to AIRS and it won't compile for me. |
| 17:22.57 | BugerMan | hi all! tell me how to create something like the grid or list that a display for example 20 records |
| 17:24.07 | kneeki | wereHamster: I'm confused about the (ClassButtonsSpells[class][batch][spellNum] or "") just replace the entire tostring ... area with just that? |
| 17:24.24 | kneeki | Sorry about the delays. Boss was BSing with me |
| 17:24.29 | Tem | ~laziness |
| 17:24.29 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 17:24.36 | wereHamster | kneeki: tostring(nil) returns "nil", (nil or "") returns an empty string |
| 17:24.36 | Tem | ~hubris |
| 17:24.37 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 17:24.53 | wereHamster | kneeki: I wouldn't want to have "nil" displayed anywhere in the UI |
| 17:24.54 | kneeki | wereHamster: Oh I see |
| 17:25.16 | Tem | wereHamster: no it doesn't |
| 17:25.21 | Tem | tostring(nil) fusses at you |
| 17:25.25 | Tem | I think |
| 17:25.29 | kneeki | So I added: or "" |
| 17:25.30 | Tem | lua> tostring(nil) |
| 17:25.30 | lua_bot | Tem: nil |
| 17:25.31 | kneeki | =) |
| 17:25.34 | wereHamster | lua> print(tostring(nil)) |
| 17:25.34 | lua_bot | wereHamster: nil |
| 17:25.35 | Tem | hrm |
| 17:26.06 | Tem | hmm |
| 17:26.07 | wereHamster | Tem: maybe tostring() -- without any argument |
| 17:26.11 | Tem | I wonder what I was thinking of |
| 17:26.19 | wereHamster | lua> print(tostring()) |
| 17:26.20 | lua_bot | wereHamster: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'tostring' (value expected) |
| 17:26.20 | Tem | without an argument should surely error |
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| 17:26.36 | haste | p3lim: what now? |
| 17:26.44 | Wikwocket | lua > print("Concatenating nil" .. nil) |
| 17:26.45 | p3lim | for the docs |
| 17:26.54 | Wikwocket | doh |
| 17:26.54 | Tem | concat also errors |
| 17:26.58 | wereHamster | Wikwocket: no space between lua and > |
| 17:27.09 | Wikwocket | yeah, I saw that. I know it errors though :) |
| 17:27.50 | wereHamster | it would be stupid if tostring(a) would throw an error in any situation |
| 17:28.04 | Tem | I swear there was one of those functions that would be pissed at you if you gave it nil |
| 17:28.06 | kneeki | alestane: What is the line number for that suggestion? I'm confused where that should go |
| 17:28.08 | Tem | and it wasn't very intuitive |
| 17:28.39 | alestane | kneeki: that replaces 9-21 in your pastey. |
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| 17:28.58 | kneeki | alestane: Oh my! <3 |
| 17:29.01 | kneeki | Thanks! |
| 17:30.30 | kneeki | wereHamster: Good catch on the table lookup thing. That will actually save me a lot of lookups! |
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| 17:32.01 | wereHamster | kneeki: consider using 'self' instead of 'this' (of course you'll have to thoroughly check the code) |
| 17:32.08 | Jelly-School | ~hug Peppy |
| 17:32.09 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy tightly until Peppy turns slightly blue |
| 17:32.20 | wereHamster | on that subject, won't 'this' be removed in 3.0? |
| 17:32.24 | BugerMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.29 | kneeki | ok |
| 17:33.06 | wereHamster | BugerMan: take an addon that does that and copy the code |
| 17:33.39 | Tem | a slightly blue Pepppy? |
| 17:33.41 | Tem | unthinkable |
| 17:34.06 | Tem | (INCONCEIVABLE?) |
| 17:34.12 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Fun. :) |
| 17:34.24 | Jelly-School | all in the hair; i'd never make a really blue Peppy |
| 17:34.58 | Jelly-School | Just got out of Spanish, waiting to go to Sociology |
| 17:35.34 | Lopeppeppy | ... I am imagining combining the two for Spanish Immersion Sociology |
| 17:35.48 | Jelly-School | nothx |
| 17:36.30 | Lopeppeppy | kk. |
| 17:36.50 | Jelly-School | How is Peppy today? |
| 17:39.02 | Lopeppeppy | Frazzledeadlinestupidpeoplegimmeyourcontent NAOW!!! |
| 17:39.42 | Jelly-School | :( |
| 17:39.47 | Jelly-School | !hug Peppy |
| 17:39.53 | Jelly-School | ~hug Peppy |
| 17:39.53 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy |
| 17:39.54 | Jelly-School | too |
| 17:40.50 | devXero_ | Lopeppeppy: you statement made my head go *zot* |
| 17:40.55 | devXero_ | now all I hear is ringing... |
| 17:42.21 | devXero | err your* |
| 17:42.38 | Lopeppeppy | welcome to my world, devXero |
| 17:42.45 | kneeki | in a for i = 1, 5 do stuff end statement, if I want it to skip a number (like a frame which does not exist) would I use break to do that? |
| 17:43.03 | kneeki | Like, say 4 doesn't exist, skip it and go to 5 |
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| 17:43.28 | devXero | kneeki: I beleive break would just stop your look completeley, so if you did break @ 3, then 4 and 5 would never run |
| 17:43.35 | devXero | s/look/loop/ |
| 17:43.37 | kneeki | Hmm |
| 17:43.40 | wereHamster | if i ~= 4 then -- do stuff end |
| 17:43.58 | kneeki | ~= ? |
| 17:44.04 | wereHamster | != |
| 17:44.15 | wereHamster | ~= in lua is the same as ! in X |
| 17:44.16 | purl | wereHamster: what are you talking about? |
| 17:44.16 | kneeki | I've never seen that done in a for loop |
| 17:44.18 | wereHamster | in C |
| 17:44.30 | kneeki | I know what ~= and != are, but never in a for loop |
| 17:44.49 | devXero | kneeki: it's a conditional operator, it can be used almost anywhere |
| 17:44.53 | wereHamster | lua> for i=0,5 do if i ~= 4 do print(i) end end |
| 17:44.53 | lua_bot | wereHamster: luabot:1: 'then' expected near 'do' |
| 17:45.09 | wereHamster | lua> for i=0,5 do if i ~= 4 then print(i) end end |
| 17:45.09 | lua_bot | wereHamster: 0, 1, 2, 3, 5 |
| 17:51.47 | p3lim | lua for i=0,10 do if(i~=4)then print(i) end; if(i==8)then break end end |
| 17:51.53 | p3lim | lua> for i=0,10 do if(i~=4)then print(i) end; if(i==8)then break end end |
| 17:51.53 | lua_bot | p3lim: 0, 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8 |
| 17:52.07 | p3lim | skips 4, stops at 8 |
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| 17:53.24 | Dashkal | titles for the "first to level 80" feats of strength removed |
| 17:54.37 | Jelly-School | I wanna be Doctor Jelly. |
| 17:55.11 | Dashkal | Those too (professions to 450 first no longer grant titles either) |
| 17:55.31 | Jelly-School | Weak. Did they say why? |
| 17:55.39 | devXero | I don't understand why they both with titles... they're just going to remove them |
| 17:55.47 | devXero | s/both/bother |
| 17:55.47 | Dashkal | Not specifically, but the thread it was posted in implies it was to avoid people behaving badly |
| 17:56.09 | Dashkal | first to 80 means shift players powerleveling, etc |
| 17:56.20 | Jelly-School | Yeah, I suppose. |
| 17:56.22 | Dashkal | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9336520906-constructive-feedback-for-server-first-titles.html |
| 17:56.31 | Jelly-School | WTB Chinese child. |
| 17:56.37 | devXero | haha |
| 17:56.38 | Wikwocket | I agree, I would like to have those titles in game, but they'd encourage and reward terrible behavior |
| 17:56.55 | Dashkal | I rather hope they come back in another form. Dr Dashkal sounds fun :p |
| 17:56.59 | Jelly-School | Yeah. I never thought about it like that, honestly. |
| 17:57.12 | Jelly-School | DR JELLY IS BETTER! :P |
| 17:57.23 | Dashkal | Alliteration is win :p |
| 17:57.29 | Wikwocket | It also was odd that the forst to 70 got 3-4 feats and titles from it |
| 17:57.42 | Wikwocket | from hitting 80 in general, and as their class, and their race, etc |
| 17:57.53 | Dashkal | Yep, first 80, first NE 80, first Druid 80 (who am I kidding, hunter first) |
| 17:58.09 | Wikwocket | Yeah |
| 17:58.14 | Jelly-School | definitely |
| 17:59.08 | Neuro_Medivh | I liked the DK first title though |
| 17:59.26 | p3lim | Hm got a tricky one for ya |
| 17:59.30 | Wikwocket | First DK to 80? Talk about a grind |
| 17:59.31 | Neuro_Medivh | "Neuro of the Ebon Blade" sounds neat |
| 17:59.44 | p3lim | I have a table containing 100 diffrent things, each has a name and a random value |
| 17:59.51 | Wikwocket | Oh, the title itself. Yeah, all of them are sweet sounding |
| 17:59.57 | p3lim | say I wanna break it at 50, excluding the ones with the lowest value |
| 18:00.07 | Lyn | p3lim, how does the ouf castbar work? and does that also work for target? I may want to replace AzCastBar |
| 18:00.17 | Dashkal | I found the DK first to be odd. DKs are _all_ "of the Ebon Blade" |
| 18:00.27 | Neuro_Medivh | ouf castbar? |
| 18:00.27 | p3lim | Lyn: I belive it works for player, target, tot, focus and pet |
| 18:00.29 | p3lim | atleast |
| 18:00.38 | Wikwocket | Well, all Gnomes are of Gnomeregan too hehe |
| 18:00.46 | p3lim | Neuro_Medivh: http://ixo.no/git/oUF.git/tree/elements/castbar.lua |
| 18:00.48 | Dashkal | by the same token, a level 80 druid _is_ an archdruid, practically speaking. |
| 18:00.52 | Lyn | p3lim, can you provide me a little snippet or any layout which use this? :x |
| 18:00.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: yeah, but they don't all get the title as such, which is the point. ;) |
| 18:01.02 | p3lim | Lyn: mine? |
| 18:01.09 | Lyn | ah |
| 18:01.10 | Lyn | :) |
| 18:01.11 | Lyn | thanks |
| 18:01.14 | p3lim | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw17710.jpg |
| 18:01.31 | Lyn | I am reworking my oUF Layout atm |
| 18:01.33 | Lyn | optical way |
| 18:01.33 | p3lim | http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=oUF_P3lim&path=%2Ftrunk%2FoUF_P3lim%2FoUF_P3lim.lua |
| 18:01.50 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, another ace castbar, ok =) |
| 18:01.53 | p3lim | graphics wise? :< |
| 18:01.58 | Lyn | just a little |
| 18:02.00 | Lyn | :) |
| 18:02.01 | p3lim | its ace, but not Ace |
| 18:02.26 | p3lim | thats just a module in oUF, which runs on no library |
| 18:02.38 | Lyn | and code wise I will change the local army to the way you use.. like self.XXX |
| 18:03.19 | p3lim | Lyn: your 'local army' is not negative in any way, i just do it my way because I find it easier to read (and many newcomers might too) |
| 18:03.27 | p3lim | they get the point of it all easier |
| 18:03.42 | p3lim | if not, they can just look at haste's layouts |
| 18:03.55 | Lyn | mh.. I am too lazy to do this right now, first castbar XD |
| 18:03.58 | p3lim | :p |
| 18:04.03 | Lyn | :O |
| 18:04.13 | p3lim | but but are you changing the pwetty frames now? |
| 18:04.23 | p3lim | the looks that is |
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| 18:04.59 | Neuro_Medivh | holy spit, patch 8885 is huge |
| 18:05.40 | Neuro_Medivh | and prolly be another tonight or tomorrow |
| 18:05.41 | Jelly-School | ~hug Neuro |
| 18:05.41 | purl | ACTION jumps into Neuro's lap and huggles and *hugs* Neuro |
| 18:05.44 | Jelly-School | it'll be alright |
| 18:05.55 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh, been without internet for a week now, due to moving |
| 18:05.56 | Lyn | p3lim, yeah jsut changing texture (status and buff |
| 18:05.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: with any luck a new build this week, yes. >< |
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| 18:06.17 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, reading the forums, it seems this patch is seriously fubar for DKs |
| 18:06.29 | p3lim | Lyn: phew |
| 18:06.33 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 18:06.38 | p3lim | Id have to slap you! :I |
| 18:06.41 | Lyn | my dk did a 8,5k crit today on lvl 72 |
| 18:06.47 | Lyn | p3lim, IT LOOKS HAWT! |
| 18:06.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Well, I'm reading that runes are not refreshing |
| 18:07.05 | Neuro_Medivh | so every 10 minutes people are having to relog |
| 18:07.06 | NightHawkTheSane | that's not DK specific |
| 18:07.06 | p3lim | Lyn: wtb preview! |
| 18:07.10 | Neuro_Medivh | that could get annoying =) |
| 18:07.21 | NightHawkTheSane | every class is having that issue, and it's not THAT bad |
| 18:07.23 | Lyn | p3lim, when the castbars are ready XD |
| 18:07.33 | p3lim | My dk (lvl 61) did a 7k singletarget crit the other day |
| 18:07.34 | p3lim | :p |
| 18:07.39 | Lyn | :P |
| 18:07.41 | Lyn | unholy? |
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| 18:07.43 | NightHawkTheSane | I had to relog may be once or twice because of it last night |
| 18:07.49 | p3lim | and a 20k multi-target crit earlier in ramparts |
| 18:07.52 | p3lim | no, frost |
| 18:07.53 | Lyn | the new scourge strike is pure hawtness |
| 18:08.07 | Lyn | the unholy-obliterate |
| 18:08.08 | Lyn | xD |
| 18:08.13 | NightHawkTheSane | it'll get nerfed. ;) |
| 18:08.17 | Lyn | :< |
| 18:08.17 | Lyn | meh |
| 18:08.18 | p3lim | 0/36/16 or something |
| 18:08.34 | p3lim | NightHawkTheSane: everything will be nerfed |
| 18:08.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Blood is no longer the king of the grind? |
| 18:08.41 | p3lim | blizzard just likes seeing people drool |
| 18:08.47 | Lyn | blood is currently shit |
| 18:08.50 | p3lim | Neuro_Medivh: nah |
| 18:08.51 | Lyn | since last 2 builds or so |
| 18:08.53 | p3lim | yep |
| 18:08.56 | p3lim | boring too |
| 18:08.58 | Lyn | yep |
| 18:09.00 | p3lim | i like numbers :D |
| 18:09.04 | Lyn | unholy is my favourite spec atm |
| 18:09.10 | p3lim | i like frost better |
| 18:09.16 | p3lim | less clutter, its just BAM, dead! |
| 18:09.17 | Jelly-School | i miss bloodworms. |
| 18:09.21 | Lyn | i liked frost, too... but I lost so much health with frost |
| 18:09.21 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, it'll all get balanced out in the end. |
| 18:09.24 | Lyn | with unholy nothing |
| 18:09.33 | Lyn | and frost have to many buttons for me lol |
| 18:09.36 | Neuro_Medivh | well, with blood, you always ended a fight with full health |
| 18:09.43 | Lyn | yes, blood will get buffed again |
| 18:09.46 | p3lim | too many buttons? Im using like 8 tops |
| 18:09.47 | Lyn | but till then |
| 18:09.53 | Lyn | unholy and frost > blood |
| 18:09.53 | p3lim | 1234 and s+1234 |
| 18:10.04 | NightHawkTheSane | frost and unholy have about the same number of buttons to push |
| 18:10.10 | Lyn | :x |
| 18:10.12 | p3lim | maybe 10, havent been online in a while |
| 18:10.14 | Lyn | no i have 1 less!^^ |
| 18:10.18 | p3lim | lol |
| 18:10.25 | Lyn | p3lim, castbar works :P |
| 18:10.29 | p3lim | yay |
| 18:10.34 | Jelly-School | opie imo |
| 18:10.47 | p3lim | Jelly-School: ? |
| 18:11.09 | Lyn | p3lim, does self.Castbar.icon .. work? |
| 18:11.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Howling Blast, Hungering Cold, Frost Strike vs Corpse Explosion, Scourge Strike, Unholy Blight? Counting only primary dps abilities, really. |
| 18:11.19 | p3lim | yes |
| 18:11.28 | p3lim | good thing you understood that |
| 18:11.30 | Lyn | NightHawkTheSane, dont have corpse explosion, ;) |
| 18:11.37 | Lyn | p3lim, good :P |
| 18:11.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Lyn: and some frost builds don't have hungering cold. :p |
| 18:11.46 | Lyn | nubs!^^ |
| 18:11.47 | p3lim | i hate idiots who first call it as self.Castbar.Icon then uses a local afterwards >_< |
| 18:11.48 | Jelly-School | Well, granted Jelly isn't DPS, but I use opie for a LOT of my buttons. Granted, my band rarely leaves my mouse when I play. |
| 18:12.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Lyn: hungering cold is pretty meh for questing/grinding *shrug* |
| 18:12.12 | Jelly-School | s/band/hand/ |
| 18:12.23 | p3lim | I have both hungering cold and corpse explosion :D |
| 18:12.36 | Lyn | NightHawkTheSane, I lost so much health with frost, I loved HC for emergency BAM |
| 18:12.41 | Lyn | ^^ |
| 18:12.55 | p3lim | BAM! |
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| 18:13.00 | Neuro_Medivh | BAM! |
| 18:13.01 | NightHawkTheSane | If we're counting -all- clicky-type abilities, I think unholy actually has more than frost... |
| 18:13.02 | Lyn | p3lim, let me guess, I have to create a texture etcpp for the icon ?= :/ |
| 18:13.03 | p3lim | and it sure leaves a mark on the targets! |
| 18:13.18 | p3lim | its not too much into it lyn |
| 18:13.33 | Lyn | NightHawkTheSane, but you can replace obliterate with scourge strike, so ... maybe more, yes, but in action not I think |
| 18:13.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Lyn: *shrug* I never really had that issue, although I've found I have more trouble aoeing as unholy. :\ I think that's just me not doing it right htough |
| 18:13.38 | p3lim | self.Castbar.icon = self.Castbar:CreateTexture(nil, 'OVERLAY') |
| 18:13.43 | p3lim | it sets the texture itself |
| 18:13.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Lyn: frost doesn't use oblit either, though. ;) |
| 18:13.52 | Lyn | no? I used it |
| 18:13.56 | Lyn | for RP bump |
| 18:13.56 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 18:13.59 | Guest331 | would someone tell me the name of the addon that displays vendor/global prices for items |
| 18:14.02 | p3lim | Lyn: I dont use Obliterate at all |
| 18:14.03 | NightHawkTheSane | howling blast is superior |
| 18:14.08 | p3lim | it sucks |
| 18:14.14 | Lyn | the frost talents pimped obliterate.. so i thought |
| 18:14.15 | p3lim | Obliterate that is |
| 18:14.31 | Lyn | then the should put the obliterate talenst into blood imo |
| 18:14.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Lyn: there's only two, Annihilation and Guile of Gorefiend, you can drop the former and save 3 talent points anyway :p |
| 18:14.43 | Jelly-School | Guest331: Valuation or SellFish are two that I know of. Auctioneer has it in it as well but that's a larger package. |
| 18:14.46 | Lyn | cause blood use obli+hs+ps :x |
| 18:14.50 | Lyn | :O |
| 18:14.54 | kd3 | informant, from the auctioneer suite |
| 18:14.54 | Lyn | yes yes.. you're right :x |
| 18:15.01 | Lyn | :O |
| 18:15.11 | NightHawkTheSane | blood, i think uses DS -> 4x HS these days. |
| 18:15.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, if DRM is working, that is. |
| 18:15.38 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, oblit went from "holy crap this rocks" to "why do i use this again?" >.> |
| 18:15.41 | Guest331 | ty |
| 18:16.06 | p3lim | Anyways, cya later on |
| 18:16.15 | Lyn | NightHawkTheSane, yes, atm, but when MoM still pimped obli, they used obli instead |
| 18:16.25 | Lyn | so |
| 18:16.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Lyn: exactly, yeah. |
| 18:16.44 | p3lim | Guest331: gogo SellFish, its great (wowinterface.com > search!) |
| 18:20.08 | Dashkal | wtb better oblit and a nerfed MoM |
| 18:20.14 | Neuro_Medivh | Oblit isn't worth 2 runes now |
| 18:20.22 | Dashkal | If DRM worked, oblit would be right off of my bar |
| 18:20.22 | Larana | Guest331: If you use ArkInventory, it also has sell price |
| 18:20.50 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, Death Strike gets MoM and that tier 1 unholy talent to boost it |
| 18:21.18 | Neuro_Medivh | DRM still doesn't work right? |
| 18:21.25 | kneeki | Any opinions on the best way to check a frame exists? |
| 18:21.42 | Larana | dev_tools |
| 18:21.50 | kneeki | I mean in use |
| 18:21.51 | Dashkal | DRM is still broken as of this build. Hoping they'll fix it next build along with the 7k PS crits |
| 18:22.06 | kneeki | Err, a way for my addon to check |
| 18:22.17 | Dashkal | does its global exist? |
| 18:22.20 | Neuro_Medivh | define "in use" |
| 18:22.55 | Neuro_Medivh | If you mean does it literally exist, then I would assume "if (frame) then..." |
| 18:23.02 | Dashkal | Real sunfury: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=14854.0 |
| 18:23.10 | kneeki | Well, my problem is that I have a for statement, 1 though 5 which writes text to a button. Currently, It's not checking if the button exists before it attempts to write. So since button 5 does not exist, it errors out |
| 18:23.35 | Neuro_Medivh | if (button) then... |
| 18:23.44 | kneeki | Ok |
| 18:23.44 | Syzgyn | Bah, QQers got the server first titles removed :( |
| 18:23.48 | kneeki | Are the () needed? |
| 18:23.51 | wereHamster | no |
| 18:23.55 | Neuro_Medivh | no |
| 18:23.56 | kneeki | ok |
| 18:24.01 | Neuro_Medivh | and button should be the name of the button in question |
| 18:24.09 | wereHamster | not the name |
| 18:24.11 | wereHamster | the object |
| 18:24.17 | Neuro_Medivh | well, yeah |
| 18:24.26 | Dashkal | Syzgyn: going to have to agree with the QQers. The damn things just encourage bad beheviour |
| 18:24.45 | wereHamster | local button = getglobal("MyFrame"..i); if (button) then ... end |
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| 18:24.50 | Syzgyn | for the first week.... then nobody will care anymore |
| 18:25.27 | Dashkal | The point is why have a reward for something that encourages shift playing and power leveling services |
| 18:25.38 | Neuro_Medivh | the new titles run counter to the atmosphere that Blizzard is trying to promote in Lich King, i.e. casuals can co-exist with hardcore |
| 18:26.21 | foxlit | frankly, there was only one mistake |
| 18:26.32 | foxlit | They announced those titles too early |
| 18:26.38 | Syzgyn | agreed |
| 18:27.19 | Dashkal | Fortunately for those who really do want to be recognized for server first level 80, the feats themselves are staying |
| 18:27.39 | Syzgyn | Thats good |
| 18:28.20 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, it's just the titles that are going away? |
| 18:28.33 | Dashkal | source: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/9336520906-constructive-feedback-for-server-first-titles.html |
| 18:28.43 | Dashkal | The way he write it implies that they are staying |
| 18:28.51 | Dashkal | wrote* |
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| 18:32.21 | NeoTron | I seem to recall certain people complaining about how MMO's encourage life ruining behavior... before starting at Blizzard as MMO designers |
| 18:32.28 | Fisker- | I don't get why they are "feats of strength" |
| 18:32.39 | NeoTron | so it's a smart move to remove the titles |
| 18:32.48 | NeoTron | Fisker-: because they are realm unique I gather |
| 18:32.58 | Fisker- | I know that |
| 18:33.04 | Syzgyn | And they're worth no points |
| 18:33.42 | Dashkal | A "Feat of Strength" is simply an achievement that's impossible (or nearly so) to get |
| 18:34.07 | Dashkal | They're hidden unless you have them so OCD people *coughs in Ackis's general direction* don't obsess over them when they can't be obtained |
| 18:34.12 | Syzgyn | I'd say a server first achievement is nearly impossible to get |
| 18:34.33 | Syzgyn | Dashkal: They're very easy to pull out with the API :) |
| 18:34.39 | Fisker- | http://www.ravencrestrealm.com/roguebow.PNG <-gj |
| 18:34.51 | Fisker- | yeah Dashkal |
| 18:34.54 | Fisker- | An ACHIEVEMENT |
| 18:35.06 | Dashkal | Fisker-: Don't obsess too much over the |
| 18:35.10 | Dashkal | stupid enter key |
| 18:35.16 | Dashkal | Fisker-: Don't obsess too much over the "Achievement" word. |
| 18:35.35 | Dashkal | They |
| 18:35.40 | Dashkal | They're using it rather losely |
| 18:35.52 | Fisker- | They could just as well reverse it |
| 18:36.08 | Fisker- | The achievements seems to be something almost everyone will be doing anyways |
| 18:36.18 | Fisker- | while the feat of strength is something almost noone will be able to do |
| 18:36.42 | Dashkal | They could reverse the labels, and it wouldn't really matter. |
| 18:37.11 | Mery | well i think the design goal is: everything that is worth points can always be done by everybody |
| 18:37.23 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 18:39.32 | Dashkal | Too bad I'm switching mains to my DK. My old main has a few feats than just won't be available to Dashkal |
| 18:41.15 | crysli | I kind of want to try out Death Knight, but I think I'll wait till the hype is over |
| 18:41.47 | Dashkal | I'm in love with the class, but I'll probably get my druid up to 75 or so first just to avoid the crush of people in that zone |
| 18:42.34 | Dashkal | Though the DK area is instanced. I can hold out hope that they'll spawn off a new instance every so many players. Doubt it, but I can hope |
| 18:43.47 | NeoTron | I think when it comes down to it, fewer people will reroll than you'd expect |
| 18:44.01 | NeoTron | mainly because it kind of sucks to miss out on communal leveling with your guild mades - instance runs etc |
| 18:44.14 | crysli | tru |
| 18:46.18 | Dashkal | Took me about 35 hours to get to northrend. That's a pretty long lag behind. |
| 18:46.39 | Dashkal | My druid needs to go first so I don't miss out on UK and Nexus |
| 18:49.17 | Mery | hmm wonder if they give the players participating in the race to 80 a fair start (i mean marketing wise selling the game before the content gets activated is not very funny) or if they'll just do "mightnight start" |
| 18:49.48 | steev | hrm |
| 18:50.36 | steev | blp2png - can it handle animation blps? |
| 18:51.40 | Mery | there are no "animation blps" as in gifs sense just blps with more than one graphic in them side by side and using SetTexCoord (or similar in the 3d engine) to chose the right one |
| 18:51.47 | Mery | (at least not that I know of) |
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| 18:52.28 | Mery | choose* |
| 18:52.32 | steev | ahh |
| 18:52.36 | Neuro_Medivh | Mery, from a logistical standpoint, the "Midnight start" is best for them, as it spreads out the userbase |
| 18:52.36 | steev | thats what i was looking for :) |
| 18:53.06 | steev | hrm |
| 18:53.27 | steev | so my next question is, using wowprogramming.com - their blp2png converter - i see the image... how the heck do i download it? |
| 18:54.01 | Mery | without having it used ever: right click -> save image as? |
| 18:54.07 | steev | nope |
| 18:54.11 | Mery | link? |
| 18:54.18 | steev | http://www.wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png |
| 18:54.30 | steev | i've tried in IE7, FF3, and Chromium |
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| 18:54.58 | steev | IE7 comes closest |
| 18:55.15 | steev | allowing me to attempt to save a "untitled.BMP" |
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| 18:55.30 | Larana | Um, works fine for me |
| 18:55.37 | Mery | "file -> save as" workes in ff3 |
| 18:55.51 | Larana | Are you running no script or some other program that may block images |
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| 18:56.05 | Mery | or not... |
| 18:56.17 | steev | it tries to save an html file for me |
| 18:56.51 | Larana | Hmm, yeah, nm |
| 18:57.01 | steev | Larana: no, no scripts or addons in ff3 |
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| 19:00.34 | Larana | Yay for net splits |
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| 19:00.35 | crysli | wtf |
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| 19:00.35 | crysli | wth? |
| 19:00.35 | Larana | Welcome back |
| 19:00.35 | Lopeppeppy | Netsplit, they happen |
| 19:00.35 | Lyn | ^^ |
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| 19:00.36 | Larana | steev: Yeah, I am having the same problem as you. We'll have to wait until Cairenn or someone else from WoWProgramming can look at the issue. |
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| 19:00.37 | steev | my dog is addicted to soda |
| 19:00.37 | crysli | wtf |
| 19:01.21 | steev | someone spilled some a few days ago in the living room |
| 19:01.21 | steev | now, if you leave a can on the table and walk away, he will knock it over |
| 19:01.22 | Mery | steev: try something like this (if you're on a windows system) http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6127-BLP2PNG.html |
| 19:01.48 | steev | yeah its my windows box |
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| 19:02.02 | steev | i think thats what i used before |
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| 19:03.53 | Kaso | what issue are you having saving the image from blp2png? |
| 19:04.21 | steev | mm, the fact that i can't save the image mainly |
| 19:04.35 | Kaso | what is stopping you? |
| 19:04.42 | steev | if i knew that |
| 19:04.54 | Kaso | well what happens when you try to save the image? |
| 19:05.49 | steev | as stated above, FF3 - tries to save an html file, IE7 attempts to save an "untitled.BMP", Chromium also attempts to save an html file |
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| 19:07.02 | Mery | Kaso: Only got a 3438 Byte file for a 256x256 image containing http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95429 |
| 19:07.33 | steev | which is the source to wowprogramming.com |
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| 19:07.40 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.19 | steev | Kaso: http://www.steev.net/files/Icon_AFK.blp |
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| 19:12.45 | Kaso | interesting |
| 19:13.14 | Dashkal | How possible would it be to get one or all of the major addon sites to tell me what addons "work with" what addons. |
| 19:13.28 | Kaso | the error seems to be in the browsers side rather than the site though, the webpage is returning it correctly with "Content-Type: image/png" |
| 19:13.37 | Dashkal | Consider for example the data brokers. I'd like to be able to link from a data displayer to all the addons that export via LDB |
| 19:13.51 | Dashkal | and from a data source to all the displayers |
| 19:14.09 | steev | Kaso: that sucks, since its all browsers :-P (not saying you are incorrect) |
| 19:14.51 | Kaso | well there may well be something that can be changed to fix it, but looking at this traffic sniff i cant think why firefox et al would be screwing up on this |
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| 19:18.41 | Mery | the funny thing is that people who try to protect their pictures never get it done this good :D |
| 19:19.02 | Dashkal | I imagine such a feature would require teaching a site about the relationships between different categories. So a mod in the databroker-source category would be associated with the related-but-distinct databroker-displayer category |
| 19:19.21 | steev | Mery: indeed |
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| 19:19.55 | Lyn | haste, ping? |
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| 19:20.07 | haste | Lyn: pong? |
| 19:20.27 | Lyn | Is it possible to disable the cooldown spiral? button.cd:Hide() doesnt work :/ |
| 19:20.37 | Esamynn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336520906&pageNo=6&sid=2000#106 <-- thank god, I'm sort of sad they removed them entirely, rather than just changing them to something less coveted (for lore reasons), but I'm glad they have relented |
| 19:21.41 | Dashkal | Esamynn: the titles are gone, but his wording suggests that the feats themselves will remain |
| 19:21.56 | Esamynn | oh yes, the feats are still there |
| 19:22.12 | Dashkal | So you still get credit, you just don't get to walk around with your e-peen over your head |
| 19:22.20 | Esamynn | Dashkal: I wasn't against them awarding titles, just against the particular titles they chose to award |
| 19:22.51 | steev | definitely shouldn't have been called feat of strength |
| 19:22.55 | steev | should have been feat of nolife |
| 19:23.00 | Esamynn | :P |
| 19:23.14 | steev | feat of 2literfullofpissnexttome |
| 19:23.24 | Dashkal | feat of "I've played since launch" |
| 19:23.25 | steev | feat of sharingmyaccountwithmyfamily |
| 19:23.40 | steev | feat of paidsomeonetolevelme |
| 19:24.06 | steev | comment 117 has it right |
| 19:24.53 | Dashkal | exactly |
| 19:25.20 | steev | i don't understand though |
| 19:25.27 | steev | wtf does roleplaying have to do with this? |
| 19:25.48 | Esamynn | steev: it was the titles they chose to give out |
| 19:25.52 | Esamynn | Arch Druid? |
| 19:25.56 | Esamynn | Arch Mage |
| 19:26.02 | Esamynn | I mean, jeez |
| 19:26.05 | NeoTron | basically we don't have the titles, so we're all good |
| 19:26.09 | NightHawkTheSane | You know what would be cool.. |
| 19:26.11 | steev | um |
| 19:26.12 | StijnH | Good evening :) I'd like to make an AddOn to change the current guild frame. I learned that it is part of FriendsFrame, so is it possible to change it? (I understand LUA structure so not asking for code or anything) |
| 19:26.17 | steev | i still don't understand |
| 19:26.18 | NeoTron | they should just assign one title to all l80 firsts |
| 19:26.19 | krka | StijnH: Do YOU write RANDOM words in UPPER case often? :) |
| 19:26.23 | NeoTron | "with no life" |
| 19:26.34 | NeoTron | so you could be "Beanbunny with no life" |
| 19:26.38 | NightHawkTheSane | for each of the feats, once the first person gets one, leave the window open for a period of time for others to get it, say a month. |
| 19:26.38 | Esamynn | NeoTron: see, I wouldn't have been against that :P |
| 19:26.40 | Tem | Esamynn: same here on the titles |
| 19:26.53 | NeoTron | maybe variations for different feats |
| 19:26.59 | Tem | my DK _must_ have "of the Ebon Blade" |
| 19:27.07 | steev | hmm |
| 19:27.09 | Tem | and my mage will die without "Arch Mage" |
| 19:27.16 | Tem | like, seriously |
| 19:27.19 | steev | that blp converter doesn't get some of these right |
| 19:27.25 | StijnH | How do you mean, krka? |
| 19:27.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: I heard that mages without 'Archmage' don't get into naxx. *nod* ;) |
| 19:27.41 | Esamynn | haha |
| 19:27.52 | steev | hrm, maybe it does |
| 19:28.02 | steev | i still don't get it |
| 19:28.07 | Tem | NightHawkTheSane: IMO anyone without archmage gets audo-ported out of Dalaran |
| 19:28.13 | steev | wtf does Arch Mage or Arch Druid have to do with roleplaying? |
| 19:28.20 | StijnH | Where did I type LIKE this? |
| 19:28.33 | steev | I believe it was typing Lua as LUA |
| 19:28.51 | StijnH | I see.. anyway, I'd just like an answer to my question if that's possible :) |
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| 19:29.14 | Esamynn | steev: umm, isn't it obvious... |
| 19:29.40 | steev | Esamynn: considering I am not a roleplayer, apparently not :) |
| 19:29.46 | Dashkal | StijnH: Actually modifying the layout of the guild frame as opposed to writing your own is going down a deep rabbit hole of tainting your social UI |
| 19:29.47 | NightHawkTheSane | steev: it's obvious. every roleplayer is a beautiful unique snowflake, and every mage is the most powerful mage in the land, thus Archmage. *nod* so they all need it. |
| 19:29.54 | Tem | StijnH: Lua is the Portuguese word for moon. It is not an acronym. |
| 19:30.08 | steev | NightHawkTheSane: ahh okay, that explains it... i guess |
| 19:30.18 | Esamynn | steev: consider the significance of such titles, in lore |
| 19:30.22 | StijnH | Ah, ok thank you Tem |
| 19:30.37 | Tem | krka has a script that auto pings people when they say Lua in all caps. |
| 19:30.44 | steev | what is this lore of which you speak |
| 19:30.47 | steev | GIMME MY GAME |
| 19:30.53 | Esamynn | ~lart steev |
| 19:30.53 | purl | beats steev to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 19:31.04 | NightHawkTheSane | I like lore. |
| 19:31.10 | Dashkal | lore lore lore nom nom nom |
| 19:31.20 | StijnH | So I'd be better off just writing my own frame, and somehow catching the event when someone goes to the Guild tab? |
| 19:31.36 | NightHawkTheSane | I just can't wrap my mind around roleplaying in a static world. *shrug* but that's something entirely different and I'm digressing. |
| 19:31.55 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane, ask me about it tomorrow. :) |
| 19:32.08 | Dashkal | StijnH: that would be one way to go about it yes. You should be able to somehow hook over to it. Or just use a different means of getting at your own frame. |
| 19:32.18 | Larana | How many more hunter pet slots will hunters get with 3.0? |
| 19:32.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: ... a) why tomorrow? b) meh, I've had the discussion before, and I kinda get it, but it's just not what -i- want in roleplaying. |
| 19:33.04 | NeoTron | so is there a way to iterate the debuffs of a target now and see which debuffs are mine vs others? |
| 19:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane, because it's a fun discussion but I'mswampedwithdeadlinestoday. :) |
| 19:33.09 | StijnH | Ok I'll try that, thanks :) Will probably take me some time as it's my first experience with the language, but I got time :) |
| 19:33.15 | NeoTron | before I assume you just looked at the duration |
| 19:33.16 | StijnH | Have a nice evening further |
| 19:33.21 | NeoTron | or do you need to look in the combat log? |
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| 19:33.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: hah, fair enough. :) |
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| 19:38.16 | nuoHep | NeoTron, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&sid=1&pageNo=7#138 |
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| 19:39.00 | NeoTron | nuoHep: thanks, that's nice. just need xperl to use that now :P |
| 19:39.05 | NeoTron | I'm tired of seeing ALL debuffs large |
| 19:39.22 | NightHawkTheSane | so rewrite it? :P |
| 19:39.36 | NeoTron | well Zeksie is in beta so... :) |
| 19:39.48 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but he seems lazy about updating |
| 19:39.55 | NeoTron | 5indeed |
| 19:40.01 | NightHawkTheSane | (not that im complaining, just saying) |
| 19:40.07 | NightHawkTheSane | I had to fix a GetComboPoints bug myself.. |
| 19:40.58 | NeoTron | he said before he had issues getting anything done due to the ~5 minute uptime before server crashes in the last patch |
| 19:41.34 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* if it was that important, dev can be done in outland/azeroth. :p |
| 19:41.47 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 19:45.51 | kd3 | instances... <3 |
| 19:46.18 | Dashkal | Kalimdor is rock steady. Only people there are herbalists |
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| 19:46.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i've only ever see northrend have stability issues |
| 19:47.12 | Dashkal | EK would crap out from time to time as well. Not nearly as often, but it would die. |
| 19:47.23 | NightHawkTheSane | really? never noticed that |
| 19:47.37 | Dashkal | I assumed it was just DKs getting that last level. |
| 19:47.41 | NightHawkTheSane | but i havn't spent a lot of time there |
| 19:47.45 | Dashkal | this was about 3 builds back |
| 19:48.07 | Dashkal | noticed it when I was grinding up my herbalism in prep for inscription |
| 19:48.35 | Dashkal | I spent most of the build from hell in kalimdor doing just that. Northrend had a 20 minute lifespan |
| 19:48.50 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah... that was good times.. >.> |
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| 19:49.46 | foxlit | wiiiiintergraaaasssp! |
| 19:50.03 | foxlit | (just killed me by dismounting on passing through :/) |
| 19:50.23 | Dashkal | two more levels and I can get chain killed in there :p |
| 19:52.24 | Dashkal | JoCo's "Mandelbrot Set" just gave me an interesting idea. Take a point with a rather long time to escape, and plot the coords each iteration. See what path it takes on the way out. |
| 19:54.33 | Hjalte | p3lim|afk: After updating to r18 http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95432 |
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| 20:06.40 | Tem | am I the only one who doesn't get this comic? http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/9/1/ |
| 20:07.57 | Dashkal | Nope, that one had me scratching my head too. |
| 20:07.58 | Jamash | it is a bit obscure |
| 20:08.19 | alestane | Tem: I have some inklings, but nothing that's really hilarious to me. Of course, this comic was also made onstage in front of thousands of PAX attendees screaming suggestions and encouragement. |
| 20:08.52 | kd3 | ho... |
| 20:08.59 | kd3 | they brought up the PTR forum |
| 20:09.13 | alestane | Tres'ten. |
| 20:10.11 | kd3 | 921403 |
| 20:10.18 | kd3 | blah |
| 20:10.25 | Cide | now change your password! |
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| 20:10.36 | Jamash | or your bank pin, whichever |
| 20:10.39 | kd3 | no worries, it goes poof in ~10 seconds |
| 20:10.48 | kd3 | ^rsa key |
| 20:11.05 | steev | really wish JC trinkets could be sold |
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| 20:11.31 | End | I really wish they didn't suck (but I play a caster) |
| 20:11.51 | alestane | When they first appeared, just a few of them could be acquired form vendors. I don't think my alchemist is gonna get rid of her Truesilver Crab, just 'cause. |
| 20:12.08 | End | lol |
| 20:12.26 | End | although, to be fair, I haven't checked if they updated the new ones on beta |
| 20:13.09 | End | the level 70 ones aren't very good for me, and the temporary ones they had on beta were worse than the level 70 ones |
| 20:13.13 | Larana | Yay! My WoWProgramming Book is here! |
| 20:13.17 | End | \o/ |
| 20:14.39 | kd3 | I've got -1 copies waiting for me on the PTR... |
| 20:14.51 | End | :o |
| 20:14.57 | End | blame the beta? |
| 20:15.01 | kd3 | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3d212c507a498663f26b0ba42fba8ec8.png |
| 20:15.19 | End | have they actually public announced the PTR? or are we just still seeing prep stuff |
| 20:15.27 | kd3 | no formal announcement yet |
| 20:15.31 | End | ah, ok |
| 20:15.35 | kd3 | it'll be this week, I've got a strong feeling |
| 20:15.42 | End | yeah, seems like it |
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| 20:16.28 | NeoTron | I'd expect another patch to get more changes around for the whole stacking set of changes |
| 20:16.39 | NeoTron | hopefully something to maek some classes/specs not suck so much |
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| 20:19.44 | foxlit | What's the current spec-of-the-suck? :) |
| 20:20.30 | foxlit | (i.e. who is whining loudest?) |
| 20:22.03 | kd3 | whee lag... |
| 20:23.31 | cbreak | I found an item in WotLK that teleported me into the ocean, outside fatigue range. |
| 20:23.35 | cbreak | I almost drowned :/ |
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| 20:27.14 | Dashkal | O.o? |
| 20:28.10 | NeoTron | foxlit: affliction warlock is high on the list. shadow priest is reasonbly SoL too |
| 20:28.17 | NeoTron | the typical "utiloty not DPS specs" |
| 20:28.58 | End | a lot of that has to do with not being able to use full use of stats |
| 20:29.05 | End | both of those specs are more based around periodic damage |
| 20:29.36 | End | (although, they both scale worse even with their primary stat...) |
| 20:29.51 | foxlit | I thought priests were promised their coefficient adjusted and their melt-ray crit-capable? |
| 20:30.12 | End | and I was promised useful spellstones :P |
| 20:30.26 | End | I should probably report that... |
| 20:30.33 | End | it's been several builds now |
| 20:31.36 | foxlit | You know, I had a warlock arena partner way back in 2.1; spellstones seemed useful :) |
| 20:32.27 | foxlit | Needs more crit% |
| 20:32.45 | End | firestone needs more help though |
| 20:32.46 | Fisker- | foxlit |
| 20:32.47 | Fisker- | i will end you |
| 20:34.20 | foxlit | I'm not afraid of your fruit vendor army, Fisker-. |
| 20:34.35 | NeoTron | foxlit: yeah but making mind flay crit still doesn't solve the issue |
| 20:34.51 | NeoTron | because then you sort of get an affliction warlock instead - main nuke crits, but nothing else benefits from haste/crit |
| 20:34.57 | NeoTron | "nothing" being relative of course |
| 20:35.26 | End | well, your off spells like mind blast and swd benefit |
| 20:35.53 | End | also, I think channeled spells benefit from haste? |
| 20:36.02 | NeoTron | yeah but dots don't |
| 20:36.08 | foxlit | Yeah, I think the complaint is that SWP and VT don't |
| 20:36.21 | NeoTron | and as long as those don't scale as well the spec as such doesn't scale |
| 20:36.21 | End | well |
| 20:36.21 | NeoTron | affliction is worse off |
| 20:36.21 | End | it lowers the gcd at least :-/ |
| 20:36.31 | foxlit | Ah, whining warlock, check :) |
| 20:36.40 | NeoTron | affliction has some 50% from dots that don't scale and without unique utility the spec means little |
| 20:36.44 | foxlit | In the latter case, you probably wouldn't even want it to benefit from haste, more recasting of a sub-par spell |
| 20:36.45 | NeoTron | they said they will fix it |
| 20:36.57 | NeoTron | my main comment was that I hope/expect they fix it before PTR comes up |
| 20:37.03 | NeoTron | since it's bound to be pretty significant |
| 20:37.34 | End | if bane wasn't needed, affliction warlocks could pick up demonic sacrifice and do the same damage :X |
| 20:37.51 | End | (since haunt only helps dots) |
| 20:37.54 | NeoTron | foxlit: not so much whining as stating that the argument "Affliction does less DPS due to it's raid utility" is pretty moot when they have no raid utility |
| 20:37.56 | End | (and ds helps everything) |
| 20:38.32 | End | (I'm making other assumptions though...) |
| 20:38.34 | NeoTron | s/it's/its/ |
| 20:38.47 | foxlit | I don't think anyone is bothering to argue, it's only the priests on that list that were interesting to me |
| 20:38.52 | NeoTron | End: sure DS helps but theer's a lot of crap to even get to DS |
| 20:39.05 | NeoTron | DS is a curse :) |
| 20:39.12 | End | NeoTron: yeah, that's probably the problem with my random ass idea |
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| 20:40.09 | End | you need bane and you can put better stuff in affliction |
| 20:40.51 | NeoTron | I find it someone annoying that high destro is, exclusively, fire |
| 20:41.13 | End | yeah |
| 20:43.55 | Fisker- | oh u foxlit |
| 20:44.01 | Fisker- | What do you say about my LHC army then? >:3 |
| 20:44.17 | NeoTron | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=IfxrozrhkmZZEchqr0zhcib except something like that might work |
| 20:44.19 | Fisker- | i'm gonna end you and your foolish world with a massive amount of black holes |
| 20:44.20 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 20:45.33 | foxlit | Superconductor magnets cooled with superfluid helium |
| 20:45.35 | foxlit | Way cool! |
| 20:45.58 | cbreak | room temperature superconductors are nicer. |
| 20:46.13 | foxlit | But then you can't have any superfluid helium! |
| 20:47.12 | Kirov_ | http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0603/zmachine_sandia_big.jpg |
| 20:47.12 | Kirov_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_machine |
| 20:47.21 | Kirov_ | teh awesum |
| 20:47.52 | NightHawkTheSane | scrolls of recall putting a 15m cooldown on death gate makes me a sad panda |
| 20:48.09 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: still? That's a bug given that they removed the death gate CD |
| 20:48.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: I know. I've reported it. Still not fixed, and still drives me crazy. |
| 20:48.59 | cbreak | what's death gate? |
| 20:49.08 | NightHawkTheSane | DK's portal-to-ebon-hold spell |
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| 20:49.58 | Dashkal | Cool as it looks, I really don't get why they made it a portal spell. Only DKs can use it, and all DKs have it. Makes a good way to annoy players through (fill a space with gates) |
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| 20:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i dont know either. |
| 20:51.20 | ckknight | cooler than a teleport? |
| 20:51.41 | Dashkal | Make it a spell animation that displays while casting. |
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| 20:52.04 | Dashkal | Something deathy along the lines of the gnomish teleport trinket animation |
| 20:53.17 | NightHawkTheSane | woo! they did finally fix the "selecting a macro icon clears the macro name" bug. |
| 20:53.52 | Dashkal | Actually, why am I posting that here? |
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| 20:55.52 | NightHawkTheSane | I think the entire topography of EPL changed just enouogh to make gathermate's data way off. |
| 20:56.13 | End | meh |
| 20:56.27 | End | it's just off by a certain % probably |
| 20:56.44 | kd3 | they shifted the map to add what's left of the scarlet enclave |
| 20:56.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 20:59.54 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, i found a black lotus |
| 21:00.17 | Thunder_Child | "paul.dll" that's rather unusual |
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| 21:11.49 | bleeter | heh, NR's BT General has finally gone insane from continual posting of 'relog' or 'known bug' or 'nyi' |
| 21:12.09 | bleeter | northrend is now nyi, nethergarde keep is nyi, mages... nyi... dalaran.. nyi... |
| 21:12.11 | kd3 | glad I'm in grizzly hills atm |
| 21:12.20 | bleeter | and the most shocking of all... |
| 21:12.23 | bleeter | nyi is... nyi |
| 21:12.27 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom is nyi |
| 21:12.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|zZz: stop sleeping, slacker |
| 21:12.57 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: baninate his ass |
| 21:13.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I totally should |
| 21:13.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone give me a +o? |
| 21:13.34 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. is it possible to have a mod-click on an item DE/Prospect/Mill it? |
| 21:13.44 | bleeter | maybe Shirik|zZz is nyi |
| 21:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:14.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Crap bleeter I'm in class, don't make me laugh |
| 21:14.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ~fail bleeter |
| 21:14.07 | purl | bleeter: FAIL! |
| 21:14.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ~win bleeter |
| 21:14.18 | purl | Congratulations, bleeter! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 21:14.30 | NightHawkTheSane | oof.. in sorry bleeter |
| 21:14.36 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, not that sorry) |
| 21:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik|zZz: too slow, afk |
| 21:25.36 | Esamynn | general question: if you were gonna implement mouse wheel support for a horizontal slider that sets a number, which mouse scroll direction would you assign to cause the slider thumb to move to the right? |
| 21:26.15 | Mery | up |
| 21:26.32 | Mery | because the higher number is usually right |
| 21:26.36 | bleeter | depends which direction is to increase value. up -> increase value, down->decrease value |
| 21:26.49 | NightHawkTheSane | what Mery said. |
| 21:27.04 | Esamynn | sorry, I forgot to specify that, higher values are to the right |
| 21:27.07 | bleeter | however, what mery said is the sensible choice |
| 21:27.08 | NightHawkTheSane | general standard is 'lower' value are to the left, 'higher' values are to the right |
| 21:27.17 | NightHawkTheSane | up on the mouseweel should always go to higher values. |
| 21:27.33 | Mery | my preference would be always to the right |
| 21:27.36 | bleeter | if you're operating pitch on the nose of a plane, though... ;) :P |
| 21:27.55 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: well, we're talking about settings, not planes. :) |
| 21:28.11 | Esamynn | bleeter: and I would hope they would make that slider vertical :P |
| 21:29.11 | NightHawkTheSane | heh it would suck to pilot a plane with a horizontal slider control for pitch |
| 21:29.25 | Esamynn | true dat |
| 21:29.42 | Esamynn | how about we just agree that's a bad example? :) |
| 21:30.17 | bleeter | whether it were horiz or vert, you'd still want 'up' action from the mouse to point the nose down... well.. I would :P |
| 21:30.27 | Esamynn | ~lart bleeter |
| 21:30.27 | purl | does a little 'dpkg -P bleeter' action |
| 21:31.55 | Esamynn | so I've been checking out every slider I can find in every program I have installed, and so far, every example I've found runs counter to what you guys said :P |
| 21:33.19 | NightHawkTheSane | really? every slider in my programs goes smaller->larger |
| 21:33.57 | Mery | Esamynn probably means the mousewheel direction |
| 21:34.25 | Esamynn | ie. mouse down -> thumb goes right |
| 21:34.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, *shrug* most sliders i've seen outside of wow arn't actually moucewheel enabled. |
| 21:34.34 | NeoTron | that feels backasswards to me |
| 21:34.55 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: I think you might be surprised how many of them are |
| 21:35.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: maybe, although i tend to have to search hard for sliders in the first place |
| 21:35.18 | Esamynn | ahh ha, VmWare's machine RAM setting has UP -> right |
| 21:35.34 | Mery | the question is how they implement their sliders, maybe they are all using the same framework which implements it that way ? |
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| 21:38.40 | p3lim | Hjalte: what did you do when you got that error? |
| 21:39.21 | bleeter | Esamynn: prolly 'coz chipx86 knows wtf he's on about wrt ui ;) |
| 21:40.36 | Esamynn | bleeter: you're just out to be a PITA today, aren't you? :P |
| 21:40.47 | bleeter | no |
| 21:40.50 | bleeter | not just today |
| 21:40.58 | Esamynn | ~gag bleeter |
| 21:40.58 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of bleeter and, as an additional precaution, sews bleeter's mouth shut permanently... |
| 21:41.41 | p3lim | Hjalte: ping |
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| 21:41.59 | Hjalte | p3lim: Umm, I didn't really do anything, but I haven't gotten it since then either. |
| 21:42.07 | bleeter | Esamynn: are you on Win32? Open the master volume control thingy, with the pan ctronls. use the mouse there. watch the direction of the sliders. |
| 21:42.19 | p3lim | Hjalte: Did you delete your savedvariables before updating? |
| 21:42.26 | Hjalte | p3lim: Probably not |
| 21:42.29 | p3lim | do that |
| 21:42.39 | bleeter | just because every other UI fales, don't mean the next one should fail too |
| 21:44.24 | Mery | well the vertical ones work like expected |
| 21:44.45 | NightHawkTheSane | so.. for anyone who's curious.. |
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| 21:45.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Shimmering Ink (learnable at 250 inscription) gave me reliable skillups all the way to 276, despite being "grey" |
| 21:46.23 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:46.43 | Corgan | lol |
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| 21:58.34 | Skate555-Laptop | hello does anyone here use wowuides?? |
| 22:00.20 | haste | wowuides? |
| 22:00.33 | Skate555-Laptop | wow ui designer |
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| 22:01.44 | haste | I think the fewest use such |
| 22:02.17 | Skate555-Laptop | so i imagine noone has any idea how to use the combobox it generates... |
| 22:02.45 | Josh_Borke | combo boxes are terrible |
| 22:03.08 | Skate555-Laptop | do elaberate?? |
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| 22:04.51 | Skate555-Laptop | Josh_Borke?? |
| 22:05.07 | Josh_Borke | Skate555-Laptop: in wow, they are just terrible |
| 22:05.47 | cbreak | are there even real combo boxes? |
| 22:06.05 | Josh_Borke | what do you mean by real? they are frames within a frame that you can click on |
| 22:06.23 | cbreak | I mean as opposed to implemented in lua |
| 22:06.36 | Skate555-Laptop | hrm...my addon is heavily push button oriented...you press a button it does something...i'm hoping to make it cleaner by having some similar objects in a combobox...i figured out how to populate it(quite easy actually) but i cant retrieve data from it... |
| 22:06.38 | Josh_Borke | there are XML combo boxes |
| 22:06.53 | Skate555-Laptop | i tried :gettext() but that was a nogo...just grabs herbalism everytime |
| 22:10.19 | cbreak | You know lua is case sensitive? |
| 22:10.31 | Skate555-Laptop | yes i do |
| 22:10.40 | cbreak | excellent :) |
| 22:10.46 | Skate555-Laptop | you want me to go copy paste exactly what i tried?? |
| 22:11.01 | NeoTron | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ |
| 22:11.03 | NeoTron | do it there |
| 22:11.09 | NeoTron | then paste the link |
| 22:11.37 | Skate555-Laptop | if (ProfessionComboButton:GetText() == Alchemy) then << see i know about the casesense |
| 22:12.05 | Josh_Borke | make sure you put Alchemy in quotes |
| 22:12.16 | Skate555-Laptop | gahh...wonder if that's what's wrong |
| 22:12.23 | Josh_Borke | otherwise it's a variable |
| 22:12.26 | Skate555-Laptop | wait if that's so why does it do herbalism every time?? |
| 22:12.41 | Josh_Borke | not saying that will fix it :-P |
| 22:12.50 | alestane | It'll silently come up nit and not be equal to the text retrieved if it's not in quotes. |
| 22:13.16 | alestane | doitnow |
| 22:13.17 | Skate555-Laptop | lolz well i dont have a single quote and herbalism is my last one |
| 22:13.20 | Skate555-Laptop | wow i feel like a dolt |
| 22:13.31 | alestane | That's an accident on my part. |
| 22:15.25 | Skate555-Laptop | ok well i'll do that i need to do a crap load of modding elsewhere before i can test it though...but if that fixxes it i'll be very thankful...if not i'll be back hopefully with a better question...thanx |
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| 22:26.25 | p3lim | haste: theres no such page as http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitAura |
| 22:27.00 | p3lim | ah nvm, thats he new stuff |
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| 22:32.04 | Fisker- | kd3 |
| 22:32.14 | Fisker- | IT CAN'T BE TRUE :E |
| 22:32.57 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, your emoticons keep getting worse and worse |
| 22:32.57 | Skate555-Laptop | ehh?? |
| 22:33.06 | Fisker- | >:3 Thunder_Child |
| 22:33.13 | kd3 | fisker? |
| 22:33.14 | Thunder_Child | EXACTLY! |
| 22:33.29 | Fisker- | hortus has gotten a new job :( |
| 22:33.34 | kd3 | ya |
| 22:38.10 | Fisker- | I'm gonna /wrists |
| 22:39.38 | Dashkal | one thing about the beta and browsing the forums. It's a real headshake for me reading a post and realizing. "Hey! I just did Arugal with her last night" |
| 22:40.08 | NeoTron | Fisker-: source? |
| 22:40.25 | kd3 | neo; it's old news in the beta forum |
| 22:40.40 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202571322 |
| 22:40.47 | smcn | oh, i finally found the stop button in chrome |
| 22:43.39 | NeoTron | ah |
| 22:44.52 | Thunder_Child | yes, it's called esc |
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| 22:45.51 | Sixen | hm? |
| 22:46.01 | Sixen | KD3, didn't know your account was alive, =) |
| 22:50.45 | Kaso | http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card |
| 22:50.54 | Kaso | This is the best video i have seen in a long time |
| 22:51.16 | smcn | is that from last night's ep? |
| 22:51.30 | smcn | that was the best episode of daily show in quite awhile |
| 22:51.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Kaso: yeah, that was awesome. :) |
| 22:52.00 | NightHawkTheSane | also, wtf.. outlands crashed? >< |
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| 22:54.44 | Kaso | yah it was from the last ep |
| 22:54.55 | Kaso | proof positive that the republicans create much more comedy than the dems |
| 22:56.52 | Nechckn | smcn that was one of the few times I've actually laughed at something on television in a while |
| 23:00.22 | NightHawkTheSane | oh yeah, shimmering ink is bugged nicely |
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| 23:05.08 | AbsoRayne | |Jelly|: nou |
| 23:11.47 | |Jelly| | ? |
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| 23:21.12 | AbsoRayne | Iunno |
| 23:24.01 | AbsoRayne | Is there a tag for DogTags to only pick up my buffs / debuffs, and not everyones? |
| 23:25.19 | NightHawkTheSane | not that I'm aware. |
| 23:25.26 | NightHawkTheSane | mostly since aura display isn't dogtag based. |
| 23:25.43 | AbsoRayne | hmm |
| 23:25.55 | NightHawkTheSane | however, pitbull does have buff filtering |
| 23:27.03 | AbsoRayne | Not interested in that...im trying to base all my buffs by text |
| 23:27.04 | Tem | fuck |
| 23:27.05 | Tem | yes |
| 23:27.07 | Tem | so |
| 23:27.13 | Tem | I broke my Bose headphones |
| 23:27.17 | Tem | I just called them up |
| 23:27.22 | Tem | and they're sending me a new pair |
| 23:27.23 | Tem | free |
| 23:27.32 | NightHawkTheSane | good deal |
| 23:27.35 | Tem | aparently I'm still under warranty |
| 23:27.44 | Tem | and the new pair has it's own 1y warranty |
| 23:27.59 | AbsoRayne | IE: http://hdimage.org/images/66f8xxaq933nsp6dnwx1_ocrnhot083008172939.png |
| 23:28.00 | Dashkal | Very cool |
| 23:28.45 | Tem | anyone get "unknown macro option: alt" when they login? |
| 23:28.54 | Tem | I don't know which of my addons it triggering it |
| 23:28.58 | NightHawkTheSane | AbsoRayne: is that a mock up or did you/someone actually do that in game? |
| 23:29.15 | AbsoRayne | NightHawkTheSane: Actually did that |
| 23:29.51 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, how did you get the buffs-as-text on the target UF? |
| 23:30.09 | Gngsk | DogTag? |
| 23:30.33 | AbsoRayne | [(if HasAura("Gift of the Wild") then |
| 23:30.35 | AbsoRayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.36 | AbsoRayne | end)] |
| 23:30.37 | AbsoRayne | ect |
| 23:30.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh |
| 23:30.54 | NightHawkTheSane | wow, that's.. a little crazy, but neat. |
| 23:31.17 | Gngsk | AbsoRayne as far as your question about it only picking up yours. Can't you specify a unit for the tag? |
| 23:31.17 | Kaso | Hardcoded >< |
| 23:31.34 | AbsoRayne | I dont think so, im checking atm |
| 23:31.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Gngsk: im not sure that'd work the way he wants, though |
| 23:31.52 | clad|sleep | specifying a unit is different than saying only get my buffs, which needs to check the timeLeft return from UnitBuff |
| 23:31.57 | NightHawkTheSane | that would specify "does this unit have this buff" not "does this unit have my buff" |
| 23:32.10 | Gngsk | ahh, right |
| 23:32.11 | NightHawkTheSane | or rather, what clad|sleep said |
| 23:32.35 | AbsoRayne | So basicly, no. gah |
| 23:33.10 | NightHawkTheSane | well, theoretically a dogtag could be added like 'HasMyBuff("blah")' |
| 23:33.18 | NightHawkTheSane | but i dont think that exists there by default |
| 23:33.29 | AbsoRayne | Ill try once I get done ganking this shaman |
| 23:34.49 | AbsoRayne | I could ask in WoWAce too |
| 23:34.51 | AbsoRayne | lol |
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| 23:48.55 | AbsoRayne | NightHawkTheSane: About the only reason im hesitant on continuing on with the text buffs, If I cant have it tell the difference between my buffs and my allies, the text will basicly shoot across the screen from all the abbreviated debuffs |
| 23:49.14 | AbsoRayne | Since theres no way to tell the text to stop and start a second line, at least that I havent noticed |
| 23:50.24 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd have to hardcode it in, either creating multiple texts, or hardcoding a linebreak in, which im not sure is even possible |
| 23:56.01 | AbsoRayne | Its probably possible, and im more than willing to take the time for it |
| 23:57.20 | NightHawkTheSane | I think it'd be easier to add dogtags to only return your auras, rather than try and dynamically add linebreaks ine |
| 23:57.48 | AbsoRayne | Eh, well no ones answering in wowace |
| 23:58.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, you'd have to write the dogtag and backend code yourself. As I said, there's no existing functionality to do that |
