| 00:01.51 | Cide | stop failing |
| 00:02.22 | Arrow | k |
| 00:02.35 | Cide | should be: at most 2 numbers, at most 2 capitalized characters, at most 3 non-alphabetical characters |
| 00:02.37 | Arrow | fuck |
| 00:02.39 | Arrow | bastard |
| 00:02.44 | Arrow | somebody else has this nick |
| 00:02.47 | Cide | 12 characters mas |
| 00:02.49 | Cide | max* |
| 00:02.51 | Cide | maybe 13 |
| 00:03.33 | Arrowmaster | 10 characters used to be the max on all irc servers |
| 00:04.09 | sacarasc | it was 8 |
| 00:04.25 | Arrowmaster | isnt it still 10 on efnet? |
| 00:04.28 | sacarasc | or 9 |
| 00:04.51 | End | zomg new month time to get gems |
| 00:05.00 | Arrowmaster | it was 9 or 10, def wasnt 8 |
| 00:05.05 | sacarasc | [01:04:39] --- You are now known as a12345678 |
| 00:05.07 | sacarasc | 9 |
| 00:18.18 | Shirik | wereHamster: I think the last part is because of people that put things like _ at the end of their name to indicate they're on BNC |
| 00:18.45 | Shirik | or maybe numbers |
| 00:20.16 | sixcorners | it resets the first of every month? |
| 00:20.50 | sixcorners | the consortium gem thing? |
| 00:20.55 | sixcorners | membership benefits? |
| 00:25.53 | Shirik | ! You can run KDE on Vista |
| 00:25.59 | Shirik | that's a great idea.../ |
| 00:29.01 | batrick | wow runs slower on vista than it does in wine |
| 00:29.06 | batrick | how do u like that shirik |
| 00:29.27 | Shirik | I knew that already :P |
| 00:29.42 | batrick | huh? |
| 00:29.57 | batrick | i didn't realize it's a common problem |
| 00:29.59 | batrick | but it is for me |
| 00:30.06 | Shirik | yup it's pretty universal actually :) |
| 00:30.22 | Shirik | because you don't have idiots behind the keyboard of the code |
| 00:31.20 | sixcorners | whats wrong with wow on vista? |
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| 00:31.29 | Shirik | ok wtf |
| 00:31.33 | Shirik | (gdb) thread 2 |
| 00:31.37 | Shirik | Thread ID 2 not known. |
| 00:31.49 | Shirik | (gdb) info threads --> shows me info about thread 2 |
| 00:31.55 | Shirik | (gdb) thread 2 --> ok |
| 00:31.59 | Shirik | .... |
| 00:32.02 | batrick | firefox is such a massive pos |
| 00:32.04 | Shirik | I swear gdb is messing with my head |
| 00:32.26 | batrick | what r u debugging shirik |
| 00:32.31 | Shirik | not filum! |
| 00:32.37 | batrick | i hate u |
| 00:32.42 | Shirik | robot |
| 00:34.05 | leethal | linking an entire profession in wotlk is made of win |
| 00:34.07 | batrick | i think im gonna redo a lot of filum |
| 00:34.12 | batrick | i dont understand half the shit i did |
| 00:34.14 | Shirik | I think we need to |
| 00:34.24 | Shirik | issue being: written for posix, not windows :P |
| 00:34.38 | batrick | how about... write for both lol!?!?! |
| 00:34.40 | Shirik | You know, if you had done it in C++ it would have been so much easier |
| 00:34.45 | batrick | no. |
| 00:34.53 | batrick | C++ is evil |
| 00:34.58 | Shirik | well yes, batrick, but my point is you can't write for one system and expect to port easily |
| 00:35.04 | Shirik | What you have to do is meet both systems half way :) |
| 00:35.23 | batrick | ya well |
| 00:35.26 | ccox | C++ is evil if you are starting out |
| 00:35.27 | batrick | i gave u lots of warning! |
| 00:35.33 | Shirik | >< |
| 00:35.34 | ccox | C++ is very, very good if you have any experience |
| 00:35.50 | batrick | real men code in C |
| 00:35.51 | Shirik | and not enough with gdb |
| 00:36.17 | ccox | I have way too much with many, many languages |
| 00:36.27 | Shirik | I need to learn ada still |
| 00:36.49 | ccox | Shirik - unless you're doing government contracts, I wouldnt' bother, it's dying quickly |
| 00:36.57 | Shirik | I intend to be doing government contracts |
| 00:37.04 | Shirik | aerospace applications, to be specific |
| 00:37.10 | Shirik | The FAA is in love with ada |
| 00:37.31 | batrick | the sound in ubuntu 8.04 is fucked |
| 00:37.37 | batrick | i can't listen to youtube + audacious |
| 00:37.52 | ccox | shirik - yeah, they haven't let go |
| 00:37.59 | Shirik | Ada, C, and C++ are the only languages currently allowed by the FAA in critical applications (and moreover, C and C++ are only allowed as as subset) |
| 00:38.00 | batrick | nor wow |
| 00:38.07 | Shirik | i.e., no malloc, no new, etc. |
| 00:38.13 | ccox | Shirik - of course, they're still running some stuff in algol |
| 00:39.04 | Shirik | though Boeing has been shifting to C++ from what I've heard, using automatic code generation |
| 00:40.26 | Shirik | but who knows; it looks like I'll be in school for another 3 years, heh, so it could be anything |
| 00:44.49 | batrick | rofl -> http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/01/2020244 |
| 00:45.02 | sixcorners | no malloc? why? |
| 00:45.14 | batrick | because malloc can fail among other things |
| 00:45.18 | batrick | and most programmers are idiots |
| 00:45.34 | sixcorners | can you make your own malloc? |
| 00:45.34 | batrick | huge emphasis on the latter point |
| 00:45.48 | batrick | many people write a "safe_malloc" that will dot he checking for you |
| 00:45.59 | batrick | generally it will just exit the host application if you run out of memory |
| 00:46.12 | Shirik | Most people assume that malloc() will always return a valid pointer and use it |
| 00:46.16 | Shirik | without actually checking the return value |
| 00:46.37 | sixcorners | k.. whats wrong with new then? |
| 00:46.39 | Shirik | This is why C++'s new operator is awesome, because it throws an exception on memory allocation failure instead of just returning NULL |
| 00:47.05 | Shirik | However, sixcorners, that's not why the FAA restricts it |
| 00:47.11 | Shirik | The FAA restricts any dynamic allocation |
| 00:47.17 | sixcorners | : \ |
| 00:47.20 | Shirik | because it's non-deterministic |
| 00:47.55 | sixcorners | what about a malloc function that manages it's own static char[]; as 'heap' memory? |
| 00:48.17 | Shirik | that's fine |
| 00:48.25 | Shirik | though probably a bad idea |
| 00:48.29 | sixcorners | lol |
| 00:48.37 | Jamash | can still run out of memory doing it that way |
| 00:48.46 | Shirik | It probably won't be certified if you do that, actually |
| 00:48.59 | Shirik | It fits within the restrictions provided, but it's still not deterministic |
| 00:49.04 | sixcorners | 1 sec, gonna look up non-deterministic |
| 00:49.13 | Shirik | ~dict deterministic |
| 00:49.32 | Shirik | er... |
| 00:49.35 | sixcorners | lol |
| 00:49.51 | sixcorners | didnt know that existed.. |
| 00:49.54 | sixcorners | ~help |
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| 00:51.03 | Shirik | basically, something is deterministic if it is reliable in the order, speed, etc., in which it will do something |
| 00:51.10 | Shirik | is it consistent |
| 00:51.54 | Shirik | For example: Consider two threads a and b, both of which print all numbers 1 through 10. In a GPOS, if you spawn both threads and run them, it is not deterministic because you have no idea which thread will get control (or for how long) |
| 00:51.56 | sixcorners | ah |
| 00:52.14 | Shirik | An RTOS would be able to provide more guarantees on this |
| 00:52.26 | batrick | should I get the black raptor, bird, or raptor |
| 00:52.29 | sixcorners | err.. |
| 00:52.32 | Shirik | Thus if you're trying to make a deterministic system, you would typically use an RTOS |
| 00:52.38 | sixcorners | ~dict RTOS |
| 00:52.38 | batrick | oi shirik which one should i get |
| 00:52.45 | sixcorners | that didnt work : \ |
| 00:52.48 | Shirik | realtime operating system |
| 00:52.52 | sixcorners | oh |
| 00:52.54 | Shirik | ~wiki RTOS |
| 00:53.26 | Shirik | From wiki: "An RTOS does not necessarily have high throughput; rather, an RTOS provides facilities which, if used properly, guarantee deadlines can be met generally (soft real-time) or deterministically (hard real-time). " |
| 00:55.44 | Shirik | Another good example: I just realized my program has two different threads that both try to intercept SIGINT |
| 00:55.55 | Shirik | This is not deterministic because it is not guaranteed which thread gets to handle it |
| 00:56.02 | sixcorners | im guessing rand() would be out of the question too.. unless you know what happenes when you seed it a certian way |
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| 00:56.18 | Shirik | depends on what rand() is used for :) |
| 00:56.26 | batrick | !lua ({"raptor", "chicken", "dog"})[math.random(1,3)] |
| 00:56.26 | batbot | batrick: > raptor |
| 00:56.52 | sixcorners | wow.. that was some fast lua coding |
| 00:56.56 | Shirik | In actuality, rand() is very deterministic |
| 00:57.15 | sixcorners | if its seeded by the system time? |
| 00:57.18 | Shirik | lua> math.randomseed(1); return math.random(100000) |
| 00:57.18 | lua_bot | Shirik: 84019 |
| 00:57.19 | Shirik | lua> math.randomseed(1); return math.random(100000) |
| 00:57.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: 84019 |
| 00:57.21 | Shirik | lua> math.randomseed(1); return math.random(100000) |
| 00:57.21 | lua_bot | Shirik: 84019 |
| 00:57.53 | Shirik | we can always guarantee what number will be produced |
| 00:58.07 | Shirik | the catch comes in when you don't actually know the seed or how many times rand() has been called since the seed |
| 00:58.41 | sixcorners | what about time() because you dont know what it will return? |
| 00:58.50 | Shirik | but we always know what time it is :) |
| 00:58.58 | sixcorners | I dont : \ |
| 00:59.02 | Shirik | However now we're getting into semantics |
| 00:59.10 | Shirik | Point is you have to have a reason to use rand |
| 00:59.36 | Shirik | You're not going to do something like "Ok, pilot pushed 'engage landing gear' let's draw a random number to determine if we're actually going to put it down" |
| 01:00.22 | sixcorners | no simulation software? |
| 01:00.24 | Shirik | On the other hand, OpenSSL deterministically uses random numbers to generate a key |
| 01:00.43 | Shirik | it will always generate a key |
| 01:00.51 | Shirik | the key won't be the same every time, but it will always be a key |
| 01:01.24 | sixcorners | I dont like OpenSSL.. and perl : \ had troubles compiling it |
| 01:01.35 | Shirik | emerge openssl; |
| 01:02.19 | sixcorners | k, well.. I think I get what it means |
| 01:02.29 | Shirik | :) |
| 01:02.37 | Shirik | The internals aren't really what's important, what's important is the behavior |
| 01:02.56 | Shirik | When someone's talking about something being deterministic, they typically mean the output (think of it as a black box) |
| 01:02.57 | sixcorners | still think banning dynamic allocation is a bit tough tho : \ |
| 01:03.14 | Shirik | sixcorners: Would you rather take the risk and see a plane crash into the ground because of a memory leak? |
| 01:03.34 | Shirik | I think banning cell phones from the air is a bit tough though, but I see why they do it |
| 01:03.49 | batrick | !lua points(1687,2), points(1669,3) |
| 01:03.49 | batbot | batrick: > 446, 494, 3 |
| 01:04.00 | sixcorners | im not sure why they do it : \ |
| 01:05.12 | Shirik | yey, KDE installed |
| 01:07.22 | sixcorners | hey, remembere that addon that was recommended earlier to calculate the camera's position? |
| 01:07.35 | sixcorners | LibCamera-1.0 |
| 01:08.12 | sixcorners | didnt someone say something was wrong about it? |
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| 01:10.04 | sixcorners | nvm |
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| 01:12.38 | Syzgyn | Can someone on US servers do me a favor, and see if you can get to the character select screen on Kel'Thuzad |
| 01:13.28 | Fogger | Hey, USA has problems too! :D |
| 01:14.00 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 01:17.47 | kd3 | whew... inscription's gonna be expensive to train 325-375: 22*10g+8*5g+8*3g |
| 01:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, my server just went poof |
| 01:18.08 | ccox | Lich King's outlands seems to be in perpetual lag - 5 minutes of nothing responding, but no disconnect |
| 01:18.26 | sixcorners | later all |
| 01:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks to be nightfall |
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| 01:53.45 | Anaral | They did a pretty good job at fixing pixel hopping... not perfect as I was able to jump into the North Sea of Northrend to discover a fly only zone, but hey. |
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| 01:57.12 | malreth | meow |
| 01:58.08 | malreth | ~seen lunessa |
| 01:58.25 | purl | lunessa <n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3d 4h 4m 27s ago, saying: 'Time for me to go. See you all later.'. |
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| 02:03.01 | kd3 | storm peaks reopened? |
| 02:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It did? o_o |
| 02:03.37 | kd3 | curious. I'm not on |
| 02:03.47 | kd3 | updating [[Portal:WotLK]] |
| 02:05.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh let me turn IPv4 back on the vista box |
| 02:06.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 0 players total |
| 02:10.16 | kd3 | yah, I'm gonna assume it's still closed |
| 02:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me a sec more and I'll tell you |
| 02:11.31 | ScytheBlade1 | But the /who is still 0 |
| 02:12.13 | Syzgyn | Why are we thinking its back up? |
| 02:12.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Still closed |
| 02:12.46 | kd3 | I'm just now getting back in to beta after being on vacation. still catching up on patch changes |
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| 02:17.38 | Syzgyn | So there wouldnt happen to be some email address to blizz dev's I could use to get some info about some of their API stuff is there? |
| 02:17.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 02:17.57 | ScytheBlade1 | What are you looking for? |
| 02:18.00 | Syzgyn | Wishful thinking :( |
| 02:18.12 | Syzgyn | assetID's in statistic criteria |
| 02:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, but imagine if there was an @blizzard.com e-mail for API help :P |
| 02:18.24 | Syzgyn | hehe |
| 02:18.25 | ScytheBlade1 | s/help/help or questions/ |
| 02:18.46 | Syzgyn | I guess its not really API help, more of a 'wtf is this representing and how do I get the underlying inf' |
| 02:18.52 | Syzgyn | s/inf/info |
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| 02:19.41 | Syzgyn | The basic jist is, theres a whole lot more tracked by the achievement/statistic stuff than what they show you |
| 02:20.00 | Syzgyn | but I cant get counts of the stuff |
| 02:20.50 | kd3 | meh, we all need to get on our WTB API PST posting alts and bitch |
| 02:21.03 | Duman | wait, what are we bitching about? :) |
| 02:21.07 | Syzgyn | lol |
| 02:21.11 | Syzgyn | oh, Duman |
| 02:21.15 | Duman | actually, I should play my shaman some, hmm |
| 02:21.17 | Duman | sup |
| 02:21.23 | Corrodias | i'd pay $15 just to post a request for more API. |
| 02:21.42 | Syzgyn | turns out Enraged Assault works off of Rampage :) |
| 02:21.47 | Duman | oh, wow |
| 02:21.56 | Duman | that's pretty hot then |
| 02:21.56 | Syzgyn | it hits for shit right now though |
| 02:21.58 | Duman | yeah |
| 02:22.10 | Duman | wait, it should be just like whirlwind |
| 02:22.15 | Syzgyn | no way |
| 02:22.20 | Duman | ? |
| 02:22.21 | Syzgyn | it crits total for 1200 |
| 02:22.24 | Duman | lol? |
| 02:22.26 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 02:23.43 | Duman | well, it SHOULD be like a whirlwind attack (dmg wise on a single target) |
| 02:24.40 | Syzgyn | right now its critting for what my Whirlwinds hit for |
| 02:25.54 | Syzgyn | ScytheBlade1: you think Iriel would be able to help me out with that sort of thing? |
| 02:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: truth be told I think your curiosity will get you absolutely nowhere in this case :) |
| 02:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Syzgyn: there are a lot of things with the API and how it works that we don't know and will never know |
| 02:26.50 | Syzgyn | :\ |
| 02:27.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd *love* to know more about a lot of things in there |
| 02:27.17 | Syzgyn | like what? |
| 02:27.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Thing is without looking at the source no one really knows much of it |
| 02:27.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Just how much access the client has to GUIDs and how close they're tied to the lua side API |
| 02:27.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Lots of random stuff |
| 02:28.04 | Syzgyn | I'd be happy getting a 'no you cant access that info' |
| 02:28.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Think of it this way |
| 02:28.13 | Syzgyn | but I feel like its right there and I'm just missing something |
| 02:28.24 | ScytheBlade1 | "no you can't access ANY info, but we'll give you the UI source" |
| 02:28.28 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 02:28.29 | ScytheBlade1 | "and maybe a post or two" |
| 02:30.12 | Syzgyn | You're prolly right :( |
| 02:31.59 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94m_P4-0wXw |
| 02:32.36 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 02:32.36 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 02:34.12 | Syzgyn | Boom |
| 02:34.56 | Thunder_Child | ~boom |
| 02:34.57 | purl | The World's First Linux-Only Modification For Quake 2. URL: http://fragland.net/boom/ |
| 02:35.13 | Thunder_Child | not really the effect i was going for |
| 02:35.25 | Thunder_Child | ~explode |
| 02:35.26 | purl | BOOOM |
| 02:35.30 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 02:35.35 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 02:35.51 | Syzgyn | ~define explode |
| 02:35.52 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 02:35.59 | Syzgyn | ~dict explode |
| 02:36.22 | Syzgyn | I broke it D: |
| 02:36.26 | Thunder_Child | gratz |
| 02:37.40 | ccox | Syzgyn - API help - their developers do watch the blizzard UI forums, or you can submit a bug report if you think something is missing or not working correctly |
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| 02:41.56 | kd3 | eesh. 3 crashes in 5 minutes |
| 02:42.01 | kd3 | we need new server hamsters |
| 02:43.49 | ccox | Should I offer to send Blizzard my old 386 as a more reliable replacement? |
| 02:44.03 | bleeter | ccox: nah, I got 2x Sparc 5's here I'll send |
| 02:44.26 | ccox | bleeter - ooh, I think I've got some Sparc 20s gathering dust in the closet |
| 02:44.43 | bleeter | ccox: hah, was about to yell 'THEY CAN HAVE MY SPARC 5'S BUT NEVER MY 20's!" |
| 02:45.05 | bleeter | scored my 20's free of charge from the local cops when they retired them, all kitted out full cpus the works |
| 02:45.05 | ccox | bleeter - they can have both as far as I care |
| 02:45.22 | Syzgyn | ccox: It's more of something that I can partially access, and want to get the rest of the information for |
| 02:45.57 | bleeter | 20's are still sweet li'l beasties, 'cept for the spare parts dept. |
| 02:46.02 | ccox | Syzgyn - hmm, that's tougher |
| 02:46.05 | Syzgyn | Yeah :\ |
| 02:46.34 | ccox | bleeter - are you kidding? Those are ancient, slow beasties (I've got a PentiumIII box here than can beat them up) |
| 02:46.35 | Syzgyn | Basically, right now you can get a list of, for example, all the bandages there are and which ones you've used or not |
| 02:46.44 | Syzgyn | but I cant manage to get a count of each |
| 02:47.08 | bleeter | ccox: it's not the size of the beast, it's how you use them. nice cheap effective honeypots and the like. |
| 02:47.20 | ccox | and you've searched the current FrameXML code for clues already? |
| 02:47.21 | Syzgyn | the assetID is available, but I dont know if theres anything client side I can do with it |
| 02:47.23 | Syzgyn | Yep |
| 02:47.37 | Syzgyn | it doesnt even touch statistic criterias |
| 02:47.44 | ccox | bleeter - oh, heck, I just use vmware and remapping for honeypots |
| 02:48.16 | ccox | bleeter - or, in one evil case, an embedded PC with everything in Flash memory (not writable :-) |
| 02:48.43 | bleeter | i've had pretty much the same hardware honeypot setup since.. last century. it works ;) |
| 02:50.05 | ccox | Syzgyn - has someone mapped all the GetAchievementCriteriaInfo values (in and out) yet? |
| 02:50.25 | Syzgyn | Hah I doubt it |
| 02:50.26 | ccox | Syzgyn - I'm trying to figure some way to phrase your request as a bug report :-) |
| 02:50.29 | Syzgyn | lol |
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| 02:50.59 | Syzgyn | I'm pretty sure I'm SOL, but on the off chance it is possible, it'd be an amazing addition to my mod |
| 02:51.13 | Syzgyn | as for mapping the values, theres.... alot |
| 02:51.28 | ccox | well, I think the UI forums are probably your best bet at the moment |
| 02:51.32 | Syzgyn | and multiple ways of valid input |
| 02:55.57 | Syzgyn | The problem with mapping it all out right now is anything that would return nil crashes you out current :P |
| 02:56.09 | ccox | syzgyn - ouch |
| 02:56.20 | ccox | ok, didn't know that |
| 02:56.29 | Syzgyn | for that function, that is |
| 02:56.30 | ccox | I haven't dived into the achievements API at all yet |
| 02:56.44 | Syzgyn | GetAchievementInfo works fine with bad values |
| 02:57.03 | Syzgyn | theres only 2 or 3 that are buggy right now |
| 03:02.08 | torokokill | Am I able to set the Frame ID of something within lua code, or does it have to be in xml? |
| 03:02.35 | torokokill | for retrieval with GetID() |
| 03:02.50 | torokokill | SetID() doesnt seem to be working |
| 03:02.56 | torokokill | not throwing any errors, but not working |
| 03:04.16 | Syzgyn | torokokill: I havent been having any issues with Set or Get ID |
| 03:04.19 | torokokill | oop might be a bug elsewhere in the code |
| 03:04.33 | torokokill | trying to retieve the id of the wrong frame |
| 03:12.06 | kd3 | rofl... those of you with a murloc suit... mount up and put on your suit |
| 03:12.20 | ScytheBlade1 | What happens? |
| 03:12.45 | kd3 | costumed on the mount |
| 03:12.55 | ScytheBlade1 | nice, complete riding animations? |
| 03:13.02 | kd3 | nope |
| 03:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | boo |
| 03:13.32 | Syzgyn | Duman: I think Enraged assault is only hitting with 1 weapon currently |
| 03:13.39 | Syzgyn | That might explain the lower damage |
| 03:15.03 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: if there'd been riding anims for that, yet still no Furbolg /dance, I'd be forced to kill stuff |
| 03:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:15.51 | bleeter | oh, what? the Clock 'use local time' doesn't change Calendar? :( |
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| 03:20.21 | Syzgyn | Calendar is so borked ATM |
| 03:22.41 | Syzgyn | Duman, you had do say something :( |
| 03:22.44 | bleeter | kd3: that just looks all kinda wrong |
| 03:22.54 | kd3 | mounted murlocs? ya |
| 03:22.58 | Duman | lol |
| 03:23.00 | Duman | I'm still on |
| 03:23.04 | Duman | just saw everyone sign off |
| 03:23.10 | kd3 | you're just desynched, then |
| 03:23.12 | Duman | still totally frozen |
| 03:23.15 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 03:23.16 | bleeter | kd3: the SS looks like sodomy to me (in the strict legal sense) |
| 03:23.21 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:24.20 | Duman | I can still talk in /g |
| 03:25.15 | bleeter | world server down |
| 03:25.18 | bleeter | DUMAN HAX! |
| 03:25.18 | Duman | and in localdefense |
| 03:25.21 | Duman | apparently |
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| 03:25.36 | bleeter | i'd force quit if I were you, nothing good would come of staying on ;) |
| 03:26.09 | Duman | well, now I'm curious ;) |
| 03:28.26 | Duman | I still have no DC'd |
| 03:28.29 | Duman | *not |
| 03:29.01 | Duman | can you guys see my typing on /g |
| 03:29.02 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.05 | bleeter | nope |
| 03:29.14 | bleeter | can now |
| 03:30.47 | Dashkal | "A character with that name already exists" I thought they fixed that ages ago |
| 03:31.16 | bleeter | mostly fixed |
| 03:31.23 | bleeter | still happens, very very rarely tho |
| 03:31.59 | Dashkal | I get it pretty consistently on beta |
| 03:33.10 | bleeter | bah, down again |
| 03:33.11 | Lukian | It probably can't be fully fixed |
| 03:33.12 | Duman | LOL |
| 03:33.15 | Duman | you guys got booted again |
| 03:33.16 | Syzgyn | you still in? |
| 03:33.16 | Duman | and I'm STILL on |
| 03:33.18 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.19 | Syzgyn | fail |
| 03:33.37 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.53 | kd3 | wintergrasp was dead, /1 in DB was saying no NPCs |
| 03:34.20 | bleeter | someone said DEHTA NPCs were missing.. I wasn't up there, but I had no NPC problems |
| 03:34.48 | Duman | I wonder if I'm crashing it, lol |
| 03:34.50 | Duman | (probably not) |
| 03:35.04 | bleeter | damn I love Beta and PTRs... how one can work out 'how stuff works' just by observing bugs in action |
| 03:35.08 | bleeter | Duman: probably :P |
| 03:35.18 | Duman | hehe |
| 03:35.25 | Dewin | I am back from Penny Arcade Expo. |
| 03:35.40 | Syzgyn | How was it? |
| 03:35.48 | Dewin | Lots of fun |
| 03:35.57 | Dewin | boo on Blizzard on not actually having developers at their booth though, just marketing people |
| 03:36.03 | Dewin | but WOTLK and SC2 playable |
| 03:36.31 | Dewin | My only complaint is that it was too crowded, presumably due to E3 fallout. |
| 03:36.43 | Dewin | and Fallout 3 was shown for the first time. |
| 03:37.01 | Dewin | (I wasn't there for that, I decided it wasn't worth waiting in line) |
| 03:37.47 | Dewin | From what one of the volunteer security people told me, we had 60,000 people this year, and more preregistrations this year than total ticket sales last year. |
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| 03:38.36 | ckknight | howdy, all |
| 03:39.25 | Cairenn | evening ckknight |
| 03:40.18 | Dewin | I highly recommend The Guild also, though I am slightly biased as I bought the DVD and got it signed. |
| 03:42.55 | ckknight | so funny thing happened this weekend |
| 03:42.59 | ckknight | I went to Dragon*Con |
| 03:43.07 | ckknight | and there was a WoW Addons panel |
| 03:43.14 | ckknight | that the WoW Insider people were hosting |
| 03:43.20 | ckknight | so I introduced myself to them |
| 03:43.23 | ckknight | and they made me a panelist |
| 03:43.30 | kd3 | heh. I should've gone if I wasn't up in TN |
| 03:43.32 | Thunder_Child | free labor |
| 03:43.43 | ckknight | I got free schwag |
| 03:43.48 | ckknight | and someone bought me a beer |
| 03:43.54 | ckknight | and two girls took pictures with me |
| 03:43.55 | kd3 | though I don't think they would've been happy with my displeasure at their alpha leaking |
| 03:43.57 | ckknight | so overall, win |
| 03:43.57 | Thunder_Child | not really free then |
| 03:44.39 | ckknight | kd3: well, I told them off a few times while on the mic |
| 03:45.06 | bleeter | ckknight: took pictures, eh? yup, that's win ;) |
| 03:45.53 | ckknight | bleeter: one of their shirt said "Epic mount" |
| 03:46.14 | ckknight | the girl I was with didn't want to have a threesome with her, though |
| 03:46.17 | ckknight | so, sad |
| 03:46.25 | kd3 | rofl |
| 03:46.35 | bleeter | tell her to sit it out then |
| 03:46.42 | bleeter | give her some $ to go shoe shopping or something |
| 03:46.43 | bleeter | :P |
| 03:50.08 | Antiarc | We need a new patch IMO. This one sucks. |
| 03:51.25 | Shirik | I has spaghetti-o's |
| 03:51.57 | Thunder_Child | i want mac and cheese |
| 03:52.01 | ckknight | I want. |
| 03:52.32 | Syzgyn | ckknight: man, I coulda gone to Dragoncon too, its right by where I live :P |
| 03:52.42 | Wobin | I just had breakfast for lunch |
| 03:52.45 | ckknight | you could've seen me on the panel ;-) |
| 03:52.48 | ckknight | and bought me a beer |
| 03:52.53 | ckknight | your loss, imo |
| 03:52.53 | Wobin | is there anything that bacon -can't- make better? |
| 03:52.54 | Syzgyn | I woulda bought you a beer |
| 03:53.03 | Syzgyn | no threesome though, sorry |
| 03:53.06 | Shirik | bacon doesn't make a bacon cheesburger better |
| 03:53.06 | ckknight | the beer there was like $6, though |
| 03:53.13 | Shirik | there is such a thing as too much bacon |
| 03:53.14 | ckknight | pretty lame |
| 03:53.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: the life expectancy of pigs? |
| 03:53.22 | Syzgyn | Ok, I woulda given you money to buy yourself a beer late |
| 03:53.23 | Syzgyn | later* |
| 03:53.37 | ckknight | hehe |
| 03:53.42 | Thunder_Child | i would have bought you a beer ckknight, but you never asked |
| 03:53.47 | Wobin | Shirik: sure it does |
| 03:53.53 | Shirik | nonono |
| 03:53.56 | bleeter | Wobin: bacon and tim tams probably don't make tim tams better ;) |
| 03:53.57 | Wobin | if your bacon cheeseburger didn't have bacon... |
| 03:54.01 | Wobin | it wouldn't -be- a bacon cheeseburger |
| 03:54.03 | Shirik | then it would just be a cheeseburger... |
| 03:54.07 | bleeter | Wobin: but I ain't trying that |
| 03:54.09 | Wobin | and thus not as good |
| 03:54.20 | Wobin | bleeter: I dunno. I've seen chocolate dipped bacon |
| 03:54.29 | Shirik | but adding bacon to a bacon cheeseburger does not make it better |
| 03:54.41 | Wobin | it already has bacon |
| 03:54.47 | Shirik | exactly |
| 03:54.50 | Wobin | so is, by definitoin, better |
| 03:54.52 | Shirik | therefore not better |
| 03:54.54 | Shirik | no |
| 03:55.00 | Shirik | it was better than cheeseburger |
| 03:55.05 | Shirik | but not better than bacon cheeseburger |
| 03:55.09 | Wobin | I'm not saying bacon has some sort of static increase in bacon |
| 03:55.11 | Wobin | I just said bacon |
| 03:55.27 | Shirik | (23:52:46) (Wobin) is there anything that bacon -can't- make better? |
| 03:55.28 | Wobin | a bacon cheeseburger already has bacon |
| 03:55.35 | Shirik | It can't make a bacon cheeseburger better |
| 03:55.38 | Wobin | so is not in this case of grouping |
| 03:55.46 | Shirik | no |
| 03:55.51 | Shirik | you did not qualify "objects without bacon" |
| 03:55.54 | Shirik | you said "anything" |
| 03:56.00 | Duman | ugh |
| 03:56.00 | Duman | lol |
| 03:56.02 | Wobin | It's like saying "water can't make a glass of water wetter" |
| 03:56.06 | Shirik | it can't |
| 03:56.13 | Wobin | exactly |
| 03:56.20 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you are starting to sound more and more like me, i already get crap for being to literal |
| 03:56.21 | Duman | my desktop just took retribution against me for staying connected to the beta server for so long |
| 03:56.24 | Thunder_Child | dont be like me |
| 03:56.24 | bleeter | sex can't make sex better??? |
| 03:56.27 | Shirik | :) |
| 03:56.33 | Wobin | a is a |
| 03:56.37 | Wobin | a is not a + a |
| 03:56.43 | Wobin | unless a = 0 |
| 03:56.45 | Shirik | right |
| 03:56.47 | Wobin | in which case there is no bacon |
| 03:56.53 | Shirik | therefore a bacon cheeseburger + bacon is not a bacon cheeseburger |
| 03:56.53 | Duman | WHAT? NO BACON? |
| 03:56.54 | Shirik | HOWEVER |
| 03:56.56 | Duman | The bacon is a lie. |
| 03:57.00 | bleeter | TEH BACON IS A LIE! |
| 03:57.02 | Shirik | a bacon cheeseburger + bacon is not > a bacon cheeseburger |
| 03:57.02 | bleeter | oO |
| 03:57.03 | Syzgyn | :O |
| 03:57.04 | bleeter | snap |
| 03:57.13 | Syzgyn | ~failrik |
| 03:57.14 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:57.20 | Thunder_Child | the bacon was never a lie, just like the cake |
| 03:57.24 | Wobin | ~failrik |
| 03:57.24 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:57.27 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:57.28 | Antiarc | http://www.baconsalt.com/ |
| 03:57.32 | Duman | btw |
| 03:57.44 | Duman | anyone know why the built-in threat window is default-hidden? |
| 03:57.45 | Shirik | baconsalt |
| 03:57.46 | Cairenn | actually, the cake isn't a lie, it's just that you can't have any |
| 03:57.49 | Shirik | I'm almost scared to go to this site |
| 03:57.52 | Cairenn | but there *is* cake |
| 03:57.57 | Wobin | yes |
| 03:57.58 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557069966&sid=2000&pageNo=2#25 |
| 03:57.59 | Wobin | but you were bad |
| 03:58.04 | Wobin | and everyone waited |
| 03:58.52 | Wobin | and you didn't assume the party escort submission position |
| 04:06.10 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:06.11 | Wobin | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1050941/The-3-000-txt-spk-poster-undermines-English-teaching.html |
| 04:06.21 | Wobin | that ... I thought I knew txtspeak |
| 04:06.26 | Wobin | but clearly I knew nothing |
| 04:06.32 | Wobin | I can hardly read that crap |
| 04:06.56 | Wobin | cause random capitalisation does not make things cool |
| 04:07.13 | Wobin | nor is it used in txtspeak since it uses more keypresses to get goddamn capital letters |
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| 04:17.51 | Shirik | Wobin: That's not real txt speak, they tried too hard :) |
| 04:17.58 | Wobin | I know |
| 04:18.01 | Wobin | It's terrible |
| 04:18.06 | Shirik | txt is meant to make typing things easier |
| 04:18.13 | Shirik | You don't randomly capitalize things just cuz |
| 04:18.16 | kd3 | that's pathetic... I can't even translate that back into english |
| 04:18.17 | Wobin | worst case of trying to be 'cool and with it' I've seen in ages |
| 04:18.35 | Shirik | on a side note |
| 04:18.45 | Shirik | these things have, in the past, been very well received by children |
| 04:18.55 | Shirik | I think this is trying too hard, but those that aren't... |
| 04:19.12 | Wobin | what would be a good way of doing it |
| 04:19.16 | Wobin | is if they sent them as messages |
| 04:19.25 | Wobin | possibly =P stalkering aside |
| 04:19.43 | Wobin | although it's hard to attribute to a certain source as a text message |
| 04:19.58 | Wobin | so kids would get random messages like that from complete strangers =P |
| 04:20.01 | Wobin | maybe not so good |
| 04:22.51 | Shirik | a repeat of the obama txt thing? |
| 04:23.56 | Wobin | obama txt? |
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| 04:28.44 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:28.50 | Shirik | you don't know about this, WobWork? |
| 04:28.52 | Cairenn | o.m.f.g. I just checked the link you guys were talking about |
| 04:29.08 | Cairenn | that is pathetically sad |
| 04:29.33 | Shirik | http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12704.html |
| 04:29.46 | jaxdahl | duman, approximately where does this build in meter show up? |
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| 04:32.58 | WobWork | Sure, if I were Obama |
| 04:33.09 | WobWork | I'd announce my political decisions through sms =P |
| 04:34.04 | Ackis | wow freenode cisco channel was mentioned on 4chan |
| 04:34.20 | WobWork | Ackis: that can't be a good reference =P |
| 04:34.28 | Ackis | I doubt it |
| 04:34.35 | Thrae | 4chan'rs are EVERYWHERE. |
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| 04:34.53 | Thunder_Child | not everywhere |
| 04:34.58 | WobWork | there's one |
| 04:35.07 | WobWork | there's another |
| 04:35.10 | Ackis | lol |
| 04:35.16 | Ackis | I wonder if I should warn them? |
| 04:35.17 | ckknight | kd3: did you not send out a framexml diff for 8820->8885? |
| 04:35.40 | kd3 | I just got back 6ish hours ago |
| 04:35.50 | jaxdahl | got it duman, my custom target frame was hiding it |
| 04:36.00 | Thunder_Child | well that seems to be 6ish hours too long |
| 04:36.01 | kd3 | I'll send it out with the next patch |
| 04:36.18 | kd3 | unless wdn' still not updated... |
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| 04:50.25 | WobWork | http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/index.htm |
| 04:50.36 | WobWork | now that's a campaign I can wholeheartedly support |
| 04:52.01 | Thunder_Child | diff tastic kd3, see how everything shuts down when your not here to do all the work |
| 05:01.55 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 05:02.09 | Cairenn | what am I, chopped liver? |
| 05:03.14 | Thunder_Child | with regards to diff's Cairenn, yes |
| 05:04.23 | Cairenn | hmph! |
| 05:04.40 | Corgan | Cairenn ;D |
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| 05:05.20 | batrick | anybody know what my last quit message was |
| 05:05.49 | Cairenn | (11:11:43 PM) batrick left the room (quit: "Lost terminal"). |
| 05:06.00 | batrick | k thx Cairenn |
| 05:06.03 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:06.17 | batrick | think my server croaked :( |
| 05:06.41 | batrick | later friends |
| 05:08.39 | End | wait what? |
| 05:08.43 | End | Cairenn is chopped liver? |
| 05:08.49 | End | how come noone ever told me before? |
| 05:09.03 | Shirik | she told me this before |
| 05:09.24 | Shirik | I forget why |
| 05:16.20 | Arrowmaster | hmm i probably shouldnt be digging through stacks and stacks of dvds looking for something to watch when im bored.... but i am.... so hard to find something interesting |
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| 05:33.48 | Wobin | ... |
| 05:33.52 | Wobin | I am sitting here at work |
| 05:34.01 | Wobin | eating lindt chocolate chunks |
| 05:34.08 | Wobin | and I cannot stop |
| 05:35.18 | Gngsk | self restraint is an endearing quality |
| 05:35.44 | End | you're gonna get all fatty and stuff! |
| 05:36.12 | Wobin | I wish I could gain some weight |
| 05:36.19 | Gngsk | how old are you? |
| 05:36.37 | Wobin | well beyond adolescence =) |
| 05:36.50 | End | well |
| 05:36.51 | Gngsk | well, I didn't start gaining weight until I was 25 |
| 05:36.52 | End | carry on then! |
| 05:36.55 | End | moar chocolate! |
| 05:36.57 | Gngsk | but I did start adolescence kinda late |
| 05:37.08 | Wobin | I'm kinda beyond that too =) |
| 05:37.11 | Gngsk | heh |
| 05:37.43 | Wobin | I have a terrible lack of eating disorders |
| 05:38.16 | Wobin | and prefer mostly healthy food to junk food |
| 05:38.26 | Wobin | and don't over eat |
| 05:38.29 | Mascondante | lies |
| 05:38.31 | Wobin | I think I'm broken =\ |
| 05:38.33 | Mascondante | and hi |
| 05:38.39 | Gngsk | you can gain weight eating healthy food |
| 05:38.49 | Wobin | I tried that too |
| 05:38.55 | Gngsk | protein and work out |
| 05:39.04 | Mascondante | eat celery sticks fatty =p jkjk |
| 05:39.05 | Gngsk | build muscle, which weighs pretty well |
| 05:39.31 | Wobin | I have a fairly low body fat percentage |
| 05:39.37 | Wobin | which is terrible in winter |
| 05:39.38 | Mascondante | I don't |
| 05:39.44 | Gngsk | I'm morbidly obese |
| 05:39.45 | Mascondante | I'm fat. |
| 05:39.59 | Mascondante | your doctor tell you that? |
| 05:40.05 | End | I'm skinny as hell. |
| 05:40.20 | Gngsk | I don't have a doctor |
| 05:40.22 | Mascondante | I'm a whole 165lbs I'm huge =( |
| 05:40.38 | Gngsk | 165 and 3 feet tall? |
| 05:40.42 | Wobin | hm purl needs a imp<->metric converter |
| 05:41.00 | Mascondante | lolz I'm 5'8" |
| 05:41.01 | End | if you're only 3 feet tall, just tip you on your side... |
| 05:41.17 | Gngsk | 165, 5'8, that's not too bad |
| 05:41.29 | Wobin | 75ish kg? |
| 05:41.33 | Wobin | that's not too bad |
| 05:41.33 | Mascondante | beer belly and manboobs ftw |
| 05:41.58 | Wobin | I'm about 120lbs |
| 05:42.07 | Mascondante | yikes |
| 05:42.11 | End | wow |
| 05:42.13 | Wobin | and about 5ft6 |
| 05:42.21 | Mascondante | I don't care about muscles I just want no gut |
| 05:42.26 | Wobin | so yeah, underweight =P |
| 05:42.28 | End | well, at least you're on the short side |
| 05:42.30 | Gngsk | about that |
| 05:42.30 | End | but still |
| 05:42.31 | End | wow |
| 05:43.07 | Wobin | the thing is, I haven't changed weight for the last... 10 years or so |
| 05:43.17 | Wobin | except that time in China when I lost weight =P |
| 05:43.26 | End | blame china? |
| 05:43.37 | Wobin | Oh I totally do |
| 05:43.41 | Wobin | northern china at least |
| 05:43.47 | Wobin | southern china has nicer foor |
| 05:43.49 | Wobin | food |
| 05:44.22 | End | I'm curious, how similar does it compare to your typical "americanized" chinese food? |
| 05:44.35 | Wobin | night and day |
| 05:45.01 | Wobin | 'americanized' chinese food is pretty much completely changed to appeal to the western palate |
| 05:45.06 | End | ah |
| 05:45.25 | Aiiane | true chinese food is good >.> |
| 05:45.30 | End | like...more sugar? or less/more salt? or what? |
| 05:45.41 | Wobin | One rule I try to enforce when taking westerners to meals like Yumcha, is "Don't ask what's in it, just eat it." |
| 05:46.04 | End | dare I look that up? |
| 05:46.08 | Wobin | yumcha? |
| 05:46.09 | starlon | I won't eat it if you say it that way |
| 05:46.17 | Wobin | it's like... hm |
| 05:46.26 | Wobin | basically you go have it as brunch |
| 05:46.33 | Wobin | and ladies with trollies come around |
| 05:46.36 | Wobin | with dumplings on them |
| 05:46.44 | Wobin | and you order plates of different dumplings and dishes |
| 05:46.44 | End | ah |
| 05:46.46 | Wobin | and pig out |
| 05:46.50 | End | lol |
| 05:47.12 | Wobin | also known as dimsim in some odd places =P |
| 05:47.35 | Wobin | it's a particularly southeast asian/hong kong style meal |
| 05:48.05 | Wobin | there tends to be a lot more in real chinese food than westernised style |
| 05:48.12 | Wobin | more of everything, |
| 05:48.23 | Wobin | they tend to bland it down a bit for westerners |
| 05:49.00 | Aiiane | thai places are typically fun |
| 05:49.10 | Wobin | hehe don't ask for 'really hot' =) |
| 05:49.22 | Aiiane | they don't bland it down, they just warn people who look like they don't know what they're getting into that "you really should order mild" |
| 05:49.26 | Wobin | one of my friends earned the nickname "Spicy Simon" for that reason |
| 05:49.41 | Aiiane | I'm the only one in my family that can stand anything above mild at most thai places |
| 05:49.45 | Wobin | and that was the thai ladies calling him that =) |
| 05:49.53 | Aiiane | hehe |
| 05:50.17 | Wobin | he tried eating one of thhose birds eye chilies whole |
| 05:50.20 | Aiiane | I never have to worry about my little brother asking if he can try something out of my meal when we go for thai |
| 05:50.34 | Wobin | not even I'm that insane =P |
| 05:51.28 | Wobin | I do like thai food though |
| 05:51.51 | Wobin | a lot of lime, coriander... |
| 05:52.51 | Wobin | SE asian has curries, satay |
| 05:52.59 | Wobin | cantonese has a lot of soups |
| 05:53.11 | Wobin | northern asia has more in the way of bread and noodles |
| 05:53.25 | Wobin | and szechuan is in a category of it's own |
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| 05:54.09 | Wobin | since the main spice in szechuan kinda flips your tastebuds |
| 05:54.15 | Wobin | apparently anyway |
| 05:54.20 | Wobin | it just makes my mouth go numb |
| 05:54.37 | Wobin | but for some it makes hot feel cold and vice versa |
| 05:57.44 | Duman | DOH |
| 05:57.59 | Duman | whirrled server |
| 05:58.05 | Dashkal | boom! |
| 05:58.25 | Wobin | headshot! |
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| 06:07.32 | ReAn | what's the command for inline lua using the bot in here >_> |
| 06:07.41 | ReAn | LUA> print "test."; |
| 06:07.47 | Wobin | lua> print "bing" |
| 06:07.47 | lua_bot | Wobin: bing |
| 06:07.51 | ReAn | ah |
| 06:07.52 | ReAn | thanks |
| 06:07.53 | Wobin | just remember |
| 06:07.57 | Wobin | it's really really not LUA |
| 06:08.05 | End | there's more than one bot that does that though ;-p |
| 06:08.12 | krka | Wobin: Lua is actually a portuguese word and it means "moon" |
| 06:08.16 | Wobin | see? |
| 06:08.22 | Wobin | >> print "ack" |
| 06:08.32 | Wobin | I can't remember any of the other prefixes |
| 06:08.33 | End | >>> print "a mole" |
| 06:08.42 | End | --> "foo"? |
| 06:08.52 | End | I don't remember either |
| 06:09.00 | Thrae | End: Cide is not online. He runs the >> luabot script. |
| 06:09.01 | End | actually I don't remember -ever- |
| 06:09.05 | ReAn | lua> group = { level = { vari = "blah" } }; print group["level.vari"]; |
| 06:09.05 | lua_bot | ReAn: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'group' |
| 06:09.06 | End | ah |
| 06:09.13 | End | Is Cide's >>>? |
| 06:09.13 | ReAn | asplod? |
| 06:09.16 | End | or --? |
| 06:09.18 | End | er |
| 06:09.20 | End | --> ? |
| 06:09.25 | ccox|dinner | lua> print "nack" |
| 06:09.26 | lua_bot | ccox|dinner: nack |
| 06:09.27 | Thrae | Cide is >> I believe |
| 06:09.31 | End | ah, k |
| 06:09.39 | ReAn | lua> local group = { level = { vari = "blah" } }; print group["level.vari"]; |
| 06:09.40 | lua_bot | ReAn: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'group' |
| 06:09.42 | End | I think batrick has one too |
| 06:09.48 | ReAn | and im made of fail |
| 06:09.49 | End | but I think his borked earlier |
| 06:09.53 | ReAn | time to learn more lua |
| 06:11.03 | Wobin | pil is your friend |
| 06:11.15 | End | ~pil |
| 06:11.16 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 06:13.08 | Shirik | Cide is definitely either >>> or >>? |
| 06:13.23 | ReAn | >>> print "narf"; |
| 06:13.27 | Shirik | Cide also is not here |
| 06:13.33 | ReAn | ah |
| 06:13.34 | ReAn | lol |
| 06:13.53 | End | Shirik: yeah, we figured that already |
| 06:14.06 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+rR] by Shirik |
| 06:14.06 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-rR] by ChanServ |
| 06:14.19 | End | PLUS R? |
| 06:14.31 | Corrodias | MINUS R? |
| 06:14.41 | Thrae | I don't think this channel is intended to be for registered users only. |
| 06:14.46 | Shirik | It's not |
| 06:14.48 | Shirik | I was testing something |
| 06:14.52 | Corrodias | AMBIGUOUSLY SIGNED R? |
| 06:15.14 | Aiiane | NaR? |
| 06:15.19 | Wobin | Yarr |
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| 06:15.43 | End | not an R? |
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| 06:16.00 | Cairenn | Thrae: we've put it on both r and R because of the spammers that were hitting again |
| 06:16.12 | Cairenn | I just took it back off to see if they've stopped yet |
| 06:16.38 | Cairenn | I'd prefer not to have it with +rR, but if the spammers are around ... /shrug, not much else we can do |
| 06:16.58 | Thrae | Right. |
| 06:17.42 | Cairenn | :) |
| 06:18.35 | Wobin | that reminds me of that pirate movie I saw at a friends place |
| 06:18.45 | Wobin | we were trying to guess the code for the adult channel |
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| 06:18.47 | Wobin | and we got it |
| 06:18.54 | Wobin | it really was rated Arrrr |
| 06:19.39 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+r] by Shirik |
| 06:19.45 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-r] by Shirik |
| 06:19.51 | End | PLUS ARR MINUS ARR |
| 06:19.56 | Shirik | shhhh |
| 06:19.58 | Shirik | you see nothing |
| 06:20.09 | End | nonsense, I see arr |
| 06:20.31 | Shirik | go pick on Cairenn |
| 06:20.33 | torokokill | Pirates the porn movie? |
| 06:20.45 | torokokill | biggest budget porno to date iirc |
| 06:20.51 | Thrae | I think I lost my Vim environment for Windows. Crap. |
| 06:20.52 | End | torokokill: what? |
| 06:21.02 | Wobin | torokokill: thanks for that trivia =) |
| 06:21.14 | Wobin | The sets were pretty impressive |
| 06:21.24 | Wobin | as was the 'scaffolding' |
| 06:21.48 | End | :o |
| 06:22.10 | Wobin | Although the fact thatt the 'bar room ladies' were the same as the 'pirate ladies' who were the same as the 'concubines' was a little offputting |
| 06:22.26 | Wobin | surely if you can afford that set, you can afford more women =P |
| 06:22.55 | torokokill | blew all their budget on their CG |
| 06:23.23 | Wobin | literally |
| 06:23.28 | torokokill | aye |
| 06:24.04 | Wobin | Oh, and as a general advice |
| 06:24.18 | Wobin | Setting the security code of your porn channel to the same as the one on your luggage, isn't smart |
| 06:24.30 | torokokill | 1234? |
| 06:24.47 | End | hey, that's the same as my luggage! |
| 06:24.55 | Shirik | The code is 1 |
| 06:24.56 | Shirik | 2 |
| 06:24.58 | Shirik | 3 |
| 06:25.00 | Shirik | 4 |
| 06:25.02 | Shirik | 5 |
| 06:25.48 | Shirik | It would be interesting to perform a statistical analysis on pin codes, actually, to see if there are any patterns |
| 06:26.09 | Shirik | i.e., how many of them use month-values, how many aren't things like "1111" etc |
| 06:26.44 | Shirik | It's theoretically possible you could eliminate a significant portion of values to test on the assumption that people will meet these typical scenarios |
| 06:26.53 | Wobin | hehe that's like that webpage that says "Contains your pin number!" |
| 06:27.07 | Wobin | and prints out every iteration of number from 0000 to 9999 |
| 06:27.11 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:27.18 | End | lol |
| 06:28.09 | torokokill | i remember when someone posted a "list of every ip possible[HACKER]" or something like that on suprnova back in the day |
| 06:28.12 | torokokill | and it was just like |
| 06:28.14 | torokokill | 0.0.0.0 |
| 06:28.18 | torokokill | 0.0.0.1 etc |
| 06:28.33 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:28.49 | Shirik | though actually, those are not possible IPs :) |
| 06:28.55 | torokokill | yeah |
| 06:29.14 | Shirik | Though I think 0.0.0.0 has special meaning |
| 06:29.26 | Shirik | I would need to break out my telecomms book again to remember, and it's too late for that |
| 06:29.33 | End | well |
| 06:29.58 | End | they fit in a 32 bit space ;-p |
| 06:30.16 | Shirik | yes, but certain IP addresses have a special meaning |
| 06:30.20 | End | yea |
| 06:30.38 | End | I have no idea if 0.0.0.0 has a special meaning or not, but I definitely know the upper values do |
| 06:31.39 | Shirik | Lower numbers can mean something too |
| 06:31.57 | Shirik | for example, 255.255.255.255 would indicate a broadcast to the entire internet (I have a feeling most ISPs will block this, but yes) |
| 06:32.03 | End | ah, apparently 0.0.0.0 -was- broadcast |
| 06:32.30 | krka | that would be useful when you hack the internet (or all of them) |
| 06:32.48 | Duman | 0.0.0.0/0 means "any address" |
| 06:33.16 | Shirik | 0.0.0.0/0 is not an IP address |
| 06:33.31 | Duman | it's a net/mask :P |
| 06:33.44 | Shirik | right :P My question refers specifically to the IP address and the address alone |
| 06:33.57 | Duman | 0.0.0.0 by itself is alomst up to the network stacks' implementation ;) Often loopback will respond |
| 06:34.12 | Shirik | ah, 0.0.0.0 is "default route" |
| 06:34.38 | Duman | it's "any" |
| 06:34.47 | Duman | which can be your "default" |
| 06:34.51 | Duman | if you're talking about routes |
| 06:35.12 | Shirik | Per the standard |
| 06:35.17 | Shirik | 0.0.0.0 is the "default route" |
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| 06:38.25 | End | wow, the tiny sporebat looks cool, although I'm not exactly sure why |
| 06:38.36 | End | in fact, I'm baffled |
| 06:38.47 | Wobin | cause it's tiny, perhaps? |
| 06:38.53 | End | could be |
| 06:38.57 | End | and glowy |
| 06:39.01 | End | and dripping spore dust |
| 06:39.04 | Shirik | night@ |
| 06:39.05 | Shirik | ! |
| 06:39.09 | End | night u |
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| 06:54.00 | bleeter | man I love god I love a good multiboxing thread |
| 06:54.35 | bleeter | some guild got instagimmped by a 5 man, and now they're all over CSF.. haha |
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| 06:54.53 | Wobin | twentytotems is a very cool thing |
| 06:55.04 | Duman | wtf assertion failure |
| 06:56.31 | Lyn | http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/891/kirchewissenschaftwm7.gif sometimes i like small religious jokes :p |
| 06:58.29 | End | Lyn: blame sin? |
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| 07:01.28 | Lyn | :O |
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| 07:44.44 | Syzgyn | bleeter: That thread is amazing. |
| 07:47.10 | Kalroth | manporn? |
| 07:48.03 | Syzgyn | Wut whar? |
| 07:48.31 | Fisker- | who woke me up? |
| 07:48.57 | Syzgyn | Kalroth is promising manporn |
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| 07:51.06 | Fisker- | i'll destroy you |
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| 07:54.57 | NeoTron | sweet 74! Dalaran is kind of nifty looking |
| 07:55.33 | Syzgyn | Indeed |
| 07:55.47 | smcn | reminds me of toontown in disneyland, in a good way ;P |
| 07:55.56 | NeoTron | almost ran out of the sewer pipe |
| 07:56.25 | smcn | lol |
| 07:56.51 | smcn | did you catch the tmnt reference? took me a second the first time i saw it ;P |
| 07:56.52 | bleeter_ | Syzgyn: there were three threads, one got locked... now they're back on a second account being edumacated about forum permabans |
| 07:57.11 | bleeter | *all three got locked, one was allowed to run 7 pages before it got locked (prolly the one you saw).... |
| 07:57.39 | bleeter | *edumacated about pforum permabans with regards to second account usage to evade forum suspensions |
| 07:58.08 | Fisker- | if anyone asks it wasn't me |
| 07:58.17 | Syzgyn | Yeah, I was reading the 7 page one |
| 07:58.21 | Syzgyn | Classic |
| 07:59.01 | bleeter | Syzgyn: the 'follow uphttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336500407&sid=1 |
| 07:59.07 | Fisker- | sounds like FUN |
| 08:01.06 | Syzgyn | ~whaleslap Fisker- |
| 08:01.07 | purl | ACTION beats Fisker- upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 08:02.15 | Fisker- | hah |
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| 08:02.24 | Fisker- | even belfaire fails at defending multiboxing |
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| 08:09.42 | Fisker- | >:E |
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| 08:24.41 | bleeter | damnit blizz, don't announce staggered restarts for Blizz, then remove the announcement. THough, I guess that's better than the last few times - announce a staggered restart then just go ahead anyways. |
| 08:25.01 | bleeter | now I think about it, dunno whether to say 'git yer stuff together' or... 'I spose this is an improvement' aargharghagrargar lol |
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| 08:25.04 | Corrodias | what is this Blizz that is being restarted? |
| 08:25.12 | bleeter | stuffz |
| 08:28.06 | Punkie | haste: ping |
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| 08:28.15 | haste | Punkie: pong |
| 08:29.08 | bleeter | heh, the GM says that the Alert is wrong |
| 08:29.22 | Punkie | haste: 12 hours and ill be on a flight to tokyo! |
| 08:29.27 | bleeter | but says the realms being taken offline for hardware maint is for WotLK upgrades, so that's a bonus for those guys! |
| 08:29.31 | haste | :D |
| 08:29.39 | haste | how long is the flight time for you? |
| 08:29.53 | Punkie | well I need to stop in south korea i think |
| 08:30.12 | Punkie | 10.50h + 2.20h :( |
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| 08:30.38 | haste | more than from norway then :p |
| 08:30.55 | Punkie | did you get a direct flight? |
| 08:31.13 | haste | oslo -> london -> tokyo |
| 08:31.52 | Punkie | oh ok, well i'm going from london -> seoul -> tokyo |
| 08:36.40 | haste | bring noise cancelling headphones D: |
| 08:38.17 | Punkie | they are pretty expensive for something im not going to use all the time :P |
| 08:41.13 | Punkie | haste: there better be domo kun everywhere |
| 08:41.31 | haste | not really :p |
| 08:41.46 | Punkie | ok well there better be at least one shop with them :P |
| 08:42.05 | haste | most likely several |
| 08:42.34 | Punkie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgPX2tkxLrE heh |
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| 08:44.55 | Adys | What was the EU beta guild? |
| 08:45.31 | haste | restricted crusade, tainted and secure |
| 08:45.31 | nevcairiel | horder or alliance? |
| 08:45.33 | haste | something like that |
| 08:45.42 | Adys | both nev |
| 08:45.51 | haste | I can do both |
| 08:45.52 | nevcairiel | then listen to haste :P |
| 08:45.52 | Adys | think its that haste thanks |
| 08:46.08 | haste | if you need an invite that is |
| 08:46.27 | Adys | bit later |
| 08:47.43 | cladhaire | haste: you don't happen to be an enchanter do you? |
| 08:47.44 | cladhaire | or mikan? |
| 08:47.54 | haste | I have enchanting |
| 08:47.58 | haste | but not 375 :( |
| 08:47.59 | cladhaire | orly fool? |
| 08:48.00 | cladhaire | oh |
| 08:48.03 | cladhaire | what level do you have? |
| 08:48.03 | haste | 373 or something :p |
| 08:48.05 | cladhaire | oh |
| 08:48.07 | cladhaire | that's fine |
| 08:48.09 | cladhaire | i just need a DE bot |
| 08:48.11 | cladhaire | if you're willing :P |
| 08:48.15 | cladhaire | you can keep anything uber cool |
| 08:48.24 | cladhaire | just need to liquidate to get my epic flying skill :P |
| 08:48.46 | cladhaire | but obviously only if you love me tons.. since its asking a lot :P |
| 08:49.00 | haste | sure, but you'll have to poke me if I haven't sent you anything back :p |
| 08:49.02 | cladhaire | I'm just... soo.. lonely on this server |
| 08:49.13 | haste | I haven't had much time to play anything lately ;( |
| 08:49.16 | cladhaire | haste: Oh, i was hoping we could meet somewhere and you could do it |
| 08:49.18 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 08:49.19 | cladhaire | no problem |
| 08:49.25 | haste | I can log now :p |
| 08:49.29 | cladhaire | I'm in SW :P |
| 08:49.39 | haste | just got home from a lecture |
| 08:50.21 | cladhaire | huzzah |
| 08:50.22 | cladhaire | which lecture? |
| 08:51.45 | haste | in examen philosophicum |
| 08:51.58 | haste | it's obligatory for everyone in norway |
| 08:52.11 | cladhaire | sounds.. exciting |
| 08:52.19 | haste | very! |
| 09:01.17 | Punkie | i bought a wow figure :( |
| 09:02.03 | ReAn | whoever is up approving new versions of mods, im sorry, don't hit me :o |
| 09:02.51 | Punkie | http://www.booncontrol.com/desk.jpg |
| 09:02.55 | Punkie | what a gnome! |
| 09:10.42 | Lyn | meh, another day, another 3hours math lesson |
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| 09:16.38 | haste | Punkie: so how much japanese do you know? |
| 09:16.59 | haste | and are you travelling with someone who can speak it :P ? |
| 09:18.11 | Fisker- | i know japanese haste |
| 09:18.20 | haste | no you don't |
| 09:18.39 | Fisker- | please love me |
| 09:18.40 | Fisker- | :( |
| 09:18.49 | pb_ee1 | haste me |
| 09:18.59 | pb_ee1 | hahahahahahahaha |
| 09:19.04 | haste | lol wut |
| 09:20.10 | Punkie | haste: I have a guide? ;d |
| 09:20.37 | haste | hehe |
| 09:20.49 | haste | as in book or actual person :D ? |
| 09:22.00 | Punkie | a book! |
| 09:22.03 | cladhaire | haste: thanks a ton! |
| 09:22.13 | Punkie | i should have downloaded some pimsleur for the plane |
| 09:22.19 | Punkie | ;D |
| 09:22.40 | haste | cladhaire: you can also send me stuff you want disenchanted |
| 09:22.45 | cladhaire | Okay,thanks! |
| 09:23.26 | haste | but you might have to poke me to get them handled quickly, at least until I get a working scheduel :p |
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| 09:23.52 | cladhaire | heheh never any huge rush |
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| 10:38.30 | klip | I like guild name <And Two Stealthed Rogues> :) |
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| 12:04.07 | Esine | if one targets a hunter's pet, is there any way to tell whose pet it really is? |
| 12:04.21 | Esine | ingame it shows <someguy's Pet>, but I can't seem to find any API for it.. |
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| 12:12.44 | cbreak | tooltip parsing? :/ |
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| 12:14.52 | Bouvi | Can I go back to bed? Today sucks. |
| 12:15.30 | Esine | cbreak, I guess :[ |
| 12:15.31 | amro | permission granted, Bouvi |
| 12:15.50 | Bouvi | Now if you could tell them here at work that I will be on my way... |
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| 12:27.51 | Bouvi | Today is going to be boring... |
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| 12:32.36 | Jelly-School | ~yawn |
| 12:32.37 | purl | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
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| 12:47.21 | Shirik | purl is strange |
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| 13:26.54 | Industrial | bah Fiery Weapon is hard to get by |
| 13:27.07 | Industrial | wonder if I should just get a Crusader enchant on my Smite's Mighty Hammer |
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| 13:29.38 | Antiarc | Fiery is hard to get? |
| 13:31.26 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't had a problem, but then I do enjoy funtimes. |
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| 13:33.29 | Antiarc | Lopeppeppy: I ran into a doppleganger of you on my server the other day |
| 13:33.32 | Antiarc | It was very confusing |
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| 13:40.56 | Shirik | kd3: ping? |
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| 13:41.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, morning Shirik. |
| 13:42.18 | Shirik | morning |
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| 13:50.24 | |pez| | damnit, I'm in a money pinch again. Stupid scholarship is being slow on registering my course, and thus I can't apply for a student loan/scholarship |
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| 14:07.08 | [Liquidor] | Industrial, I went with Crus |
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| 14:10.31 | kd3 | Shirik, pong |
| 14:10.41 | Shirik | hey, do you use Kate? |
| 14:10.47 | kd3 | nope |
| 14:10.52 | Shirik | really? |
| 14:10.56 | kd3 | ya |
| 14:11.00 | Shirik | what do you use then? |
| 14:11.01 | klip | west coast morning :p here is 4 pm, working day is almost over :) |
| 14:11.22 | Shirik | (for code editing) |
| 14:11.37 | kd3 | eclipse if I want code assistance or gvim otherwise |
| 14:11.57 | Shirik | ok, thanks anyway |
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| 14:16.00 | Shirik | !g nt status 0xc000000d |
| 14:16.10 | Shirik | oi, where is batbot |
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| 14:29.38 | Bouvi | While we await the comic competition results I found a lot of humor in the latest LFG comic. http://lfgcomic.com/page/latest |
| 14:30.15 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
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| 14:50.03 | alestane | I loved the first two panels of that one. |
| 14:50.23 | Bouvi | I loved the last two. Smurf bites the dust. |
| 14:51.24 | Lopeppeppy | Well good morning, |Jelly| ! How was your weekend? |
| 14:51.36 | Shirik | oh sure |
| 14:51.40 | Shirik | don't ask me how my weekend was |
| 14:52.31 | Lopeppeppy | You got my first "good morning", even before I was awake! *poke* |
| 14:52.41 | haste | oUF was apparantly updated yesterday according to wowi's latest list :p |
| 14:52.50 | haste | and I'm like: what? D: |
| 14:52.58 | Shirik | yes but you didn't ask how my weekend was, Lopeppeppy! |
| 14:53.04 | Shirik | but I'm glad I was first :) |
| 14:53.23 | Lopeppeppy | OMG Shirik, tell me all about your weekend, except the part about robot building that I already know? |
| 14:53.33 | Shirik | that was about my entire weekend >< |
| 14:53.35 | Shirik | sadly |
| 14:53.55 | zenzelezz | this is why people don't ask you |
| 14:54.19 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause I already knew what you did all weekend, dear. Credit me with some bit of transient RAM being assigned to the Lounge. |
| 14:54.39 | alestane | Did you sort your WoW woes, Peppy? |
| 14:55.04 | zenzelezz | yes, both ascending and descending |
| 14:55.44 | alestane | Funny, you don't look like a temperamental gnomish readhead... |
| 14:55.50 | alestane | redhead* |
| 14:56.06 | zenzelezz | I'm good at dressing up |
| 14:56.13 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 14:56.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ahem. |
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| 14:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | I did, alestane. It wasn't Vista at all. It was Norton AV. I had turned it OFF... but apparently not the program, just the interface. So it was quietly failing to allow programs to access the internet. I turned it back on, enabled everything, and am now looking for a reliable way to completely de-install this piece of malware. |
| 14:57.33 | alestane | Norton AV? |
| 14:57.38 | zenzelezz | Norton is a problem by definition |
| 14:57.59 | zenzelezz | so bloated and messy. I remember it in its youth... it didn't grow up well |
| 14:58.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. The firewall part of it wasn't allowing things to access the web, because I had the interface turned off, I wasn't getting the "allow/deny" popups.... Hate, just hate. |
| 14:58.08 | alestane | And here I was hoping that something not-McAfee might be a little more friendly... |
| 14:58.22 | Lopeppeppy | I use ClamWin quite happily. Norton is the debbil. |
| 14:58.30 | alestane | "ClamWin"? |
| 14:58.40 | zenzelezz | clams always win |
| 14:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.clamav.net/, I use the Windows installer version, http://www.clamwin.com/ |
| 14:59.42 | cayres | try antivir |
| 15:00.05 | zenzelezz | if she's happy with her clam, why switch? |
| 15:00.20 | AckisWork | what about avg? |
| 15:00.32 | cayres | www.avira.com |
| 15:00.34 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, what did you put on your cornflakes this morning, you're quite.... rowdy. |
| 15:00.58 | zenzelezz | eh? I've not even made any intentional sexual remarks yet |
| 15:01.14 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* Then you're doing a good job being unintentional! |
| 15:02.18 | zenzelezz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clam |
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| 15:03.09 | alestane | http://w00t.chaobell.net/20040809.html |
| 15:03.26 | Lopeppeppy | Look it up at http://www.urbandictionary.com/, zenzelezz |
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| 15:03.57 | haste | does anyone have a diff between 8820 and 8885? |
| 15:04.55 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 15:05.28 | Fisker- | i do haste |
| 15:05.31 | Fisker- | + some shit |
| 15:05.34 | Fisker- | - some shit |
| 15:05.58 | Fisker- | i r bestest diff tool in world |
| 15:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | brb sheeple |
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| 15:06.17 | Thunder_Child | haste, http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/3.0.1.8820-3.0.2.8885.diff |
| 15:06.17 | kd3 | I emailed it out, haste. are you not on my list? |
| 15:06.27 | haste | what list kd3 :p ? |
| 15:06.36 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.36 | haste | Thunder_Child: thanks |
| 15:06.50 | Thunder_Child | haste, thanks kd3, it's his diff |
| 15:06.53 | Fisker- | i doubt me would like that kd3 |
| 15:06.57 | Thunder_Child | s/thanks/thank/ |
| 15:07.08 | haste | s/Thunder_Child/kd3/ |
| 15:08.04 | kd3 | np |
| 15:08.13 | Fisker- | +floorname = getglobal("DUNGEON_FLOOR_" .. mapname .. i); |
| 15:08.14 | Fisker- | >:3? |
| 15:08.48 | cladhaire | old news is old |
| 15:09.29 | Fisker- | i don't think you understand cladhaire |
| 15:09.29 | Fisker- | I'M A LION GET IN THE CAR |
| 15:09.29 | Fisker- | >:3 |
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| 15:26.24 | Antiarc | http://www.flickr.com/photos/ccaviness/2625223578/ |
| 15:26.51 | |Jelly| | gross |
| 15:27.02 | alestane | ...Blargh. |
| 15:27.27 | Thunder_Child | rather interesting |
| 15:27.34 | Antiarc | Finish it off with a helping of http://jumboempanadas.blogspot.com/2008/08/bacon-ice-cream-you-know-you-want-it.html |
| 15:27.41 | Thunder_Child | sweet 'n savory |
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| 15:54.03 | Duman | mornin |
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| 15:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | Ya, morning |
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| 16:05.02 | cogwheel | me too |
| 16:06.18 | Seerah | I'm only half awake still |
| 16:06.43 | cogwheel | me too... don't change the fact that it's morning ;) (or more to the point, that defines morning for some ppl :P ) |
| 16:07.58 | Gnarfoz | halp |
| 16:08.08 | Gnarfoz | something's eating args in my UI |
| 16:08.24 | Thunder_Child | ah, the infamus arg eating mob blizz put in |
| 16:08.26 | cogwheel | and the ellipsis goes nom |
| 16:08.26 | Thunder_Child | very deadly |
| 16:08.33 | Gnarfoz | or has anyone else got trouble with blizzard's chat stopping to work :X |
| 16:08.35 | Duman | probably an aargvark |
| 16:08.54 | cogwheel | Duman: run this way! |
| 16:08.58 | cogwheel | we welcome puns over here! |
| 16:09.02 | Thunder_Child | no this way |
| 16:09.05 | Thunder_Child | so i can kill you |
| 16:09.08 | Duman | hehe |
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| 16:10.26 | Gnarfoz | any idea how I could track this down: http://ace.pastey.net/95297 |
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| 16:10.51 | Gnarfoz | the chatframe stuff |
| 16:11.01 | cogwheel | disable the addons that it names? |
| 16:11.09 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:11.11 | Gnarfoz | uhm yeah, the chatframe stuff. |
| 16:11.20 | Gnarfoz | only mentions FrameXML. |
| 16:11.26 | cogwheel | yeah |
| 16:11.29 | cogwheel | but it could be caused by anything |
| 16:11.36 | Gnarfoz | I know :X |
| 16:11.38 | cogwheel | you should disable addons to see what's causing it |
| 16:12.07 | Gnarfoz | I can't even reproduce it reliably, should probably start there. |
| 16:13.03 | Gnarfoz | things I remember that could have influence: grouped for the first time in 8885, changed a combat log filter for the first time in 8885, updated addons before logging in, but none were chat related (not that that really matters) |
| 16:13.54 | Gnarfoz | anyway, symptoms are: chat stops updating :D |
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| 16:15.00 | Seerah | I saw something about that somewhere.... |
| 16:15.29 | Seerah | was about a mod... someone said that if your chat stops working with it to do something or update... or something :P |
| 16:15.41 | Seerah | not very helpful, I know :) |
| 16:15.48 | Gnarfoz | at least thats something |
| 16:15.53 | Gnarfoz | durrr. :D |
| 16:16.22 | Industrial | http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/20000/2000/200/22376/22376.strip.print.gif |
| 16:16.30 | Gnarfoz | I should probably do something I dread doing... visit blizz forums! ;X |
| 16:17.01 | Seerah | that may have been where I saw it |
| 16:21.12 | cogwheel | Gnarfoz: UI & Macros really isn't that bad |
| 16:21.29 | Gnarfoz | probably, but I'll have to go to beta forums, anyway, I guess |
| 16:21.30 | cogwheel | the worst it gets is still far better than certain other forums |
| 16:21.44 | Gnarfoz | also, US forums are a pain because I can't even post :P |
| 16:22.19 | zenzelezz | next 1st April they should theme and name the official WoW forums like the Elitist Jerks forums |
| 16:22.19 | Gnarfoz | so, :SetInventoryItem() didn't change, but FeedbackUI breaks? |
| 16:22.21 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 16:22.25 | zenzelezz | "Elitist UI & Macros" |
| 16:22.29 | zenzelezz | "Elitist Raiding" |
| 16:22.39 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: EJ should do it the other way around :p |
| 16:22.52 | zenzelezz | I don't care about EJ, but sure |
| 16:22.57 | MentalPower | cogwheel: isin't that just as random as any other? |
| 16:23.43 | Gnarfoz | gah |
| 16:23.52 | cogwheel | MentalPower: yes |
| 16:23.53 | Gnarfoz | Addon Kit doesn't extract FeedbackUI |
| 16:24.00 | cogwheel | but i always typo things with that many repeated doubles |
| 16:24.07 | MentalPower | ah, granted |
| 16:24.32 | Gnarfoz | which mpq is feedbackui in :X |
| 16:25.25 | cogwheel | Sixen was asking about the feedback ui code a while ago... don't know if anything came of it (/stealthping) |
| 16:25.38 | Gnarfoz | it's... not in any of them |
| 16:25.52 | kd3 | check patch.mpq |
| 16:26.07 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 16:26.10 | kd3 | it's not in <locale>-patch |
| 16:26.19 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 16:26.27 | Gnarfoz | where'd patch.mpq be, then |
| 16:26.33 | Gnarfoz | ah, one dir up |
| 16:26.34 | cogwheel | Data |
| 16:26.49 | Gnarfoz | sure enough, there it is |
| 16:27.13 | Gnarfoz | patch-2 supersedes patch, right? |
| 16:27.17 | kd3 | yes |
| 16:27.19 | cogwheel | yp |
| 16:27.22 | cogwheel | +e |
| 16:27.34 | Gnarfoz | k |
| 16:28.20 | Gnarfoz | if ( string.match(owner:GetName(), "^PlayerTalentFrameTalent") ) then |
| 16:28.21 | Gnarfoz | oO |
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| 16:28.39 | Gnarfoz | owner seems to be nil, there (because it complains about arg #1 being nil instead of string |
| 16:29.05 | cogwheel | owner's not nil |
| 16:29.07 | Gnarfoz | lol, a few lines up from there: --bug fix for 3628 and 3629 |
| 16:29.07 | cogwheel | its name |
| 16:29.15 | cogwheel | otherwise you'd get attempt to index nil |
| 16:29.21 | Gnarfoz | yeah, would be a different error if owner was nil |
| 16:29.39 | Gnarfoz | so it's a item tooltip thingy, because this is inside function FeedbackUI_ItemTooltip (tooltip, x, y) |
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| 16:30.45 | cogwheel | so someone is creating a tooltip and setting its owner to a frame without a global name |
| 16:31.16 | Gnarfoz | i.e. "local asdf = CreateFrame("Frame") |
| 16:31.32 | Gnarfoz | or rather, Tooltip, however you create those |
| 16:31.46 | cogwheel | no |
| 16:31.49 | cogwheel | it's not the tooltip itself |
| 16:31.52 | cogwheel | it's the owner of the tooltip |
| 16:33.01 | Josh_Borke | you're teh owner of the tooltip cogwheel! |
| 16:33.31 | Gnarfoz | I guess I can't just drop the extracted FeedbackUI code into my addons dir and expect it to not blow apart my wow? :X |
| 16:33.53 | Josh_Borke | the extracted code will not be blizzard signed |
| 16:34.06 | Gnarfoz | indeedily |
| 16:35.55 | foxlit | Have you actually checked? :) |
| 16:36.07 | Gnarfoz | what, if it blows aparty my wow? :D |
| 16:36.19 | foxlit | If you don't modify it, it would actually match the required hashes. |
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| 16:36.29 | Gnarfoz | yeah, but it wouldn't supply any hashes |
| 16:36.45 | Gnarfoz | actually, it does |
| 16:37.01 | Hirsute | Supply hashes, or blow aparty your WoW? |
| 16:37.06 | Gnarfoz | the former |
| 16:37.20 | Gnarfoz | but I was intending to insert debug statements in there to see who is actually the culprit |
| 16:37.26 | Gnarfoz | but I guess I've found it already |
| 16:37.30 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: it's you. |
| 16:39.46 | Gnarfoz | funny thing is, having FeedbackUI loaded is probably the only case where this actually leads to errors :X |
| 16:40.51 | haste | probably you not calling something with self |
| 16:41.12 | Fisker- | haste is a haste |
| 16:41.15 | Fisker- | and cogwheel is a cogwheel |
| 16:41.16 | Gnarfoz | him, anyway, but no, he's creating nameless frames |
| 16:41.22 | Fisker- | wrumm wrumm btw |
| 16:41.26 | haste | how can I be a haste :p ? |
| 16:41.47 | haste | unless you define haste as a object |
| 16:41.55 | Gnarfoz | local frame = CreateFrame("StatusBar", nil, parent) ... later on ... GameTooltip:SetOwner(self, "ANCHOR_BOTTOMLEFT") |
| 16:41.56 | haste | which would be possible twist! |
| 16:42.21 | haste | that shouldn't error afaik |
| 16:42.26 | Fisker- | i am filled with twists |
| 16:42.31 | haste | and turns! |
| 16:42.31 | Gnarfoz | oh, the latter part is inside the OnEnter script for those frames) |
| 16:42.41 | haste | still shouldn't error afaik :p |
| 16:42.44 | Gnarfoz | haste: FeedbackUI *makes* it error. |
| 16:42.50 | haste | yes I had that issue too |
| 16:42.56 | Gnarfoz | if ( string.match(owner:GetName(), "^PlayerTalentFrameTalent") ) then <-- because of this |
| 16:43.08 | haste | http://ixo.no/git/Butsu.git/commit/?id=577e156e1d011ae398316d1b0de95338019ff488 was my issue |
| 16:44.01 | Gnarfoz | yeah, CursorOnUpdate was already fixed because it was not that obscure, the frame not having a name is the trouble that's left over |
| 16:44.20 | Gnarfoz | your solution is exactly what's needed =) |
| 16:44.38 | haste | ;3 |
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| 16:51.28 | Gnarfoz | ka-ching, I managed to fix it in the first try! ;X |
| 16:51.39 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet |
| 16:51.42 | Gnarfoz | not-so-serious one down, chat-stopper still out there. :D |
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| 16:56.29 | shkm | Hello, anyone around who runs WoW on Linux? Could use a word. |
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| 16:56.41 | haste | ~asktoask |
| 16:56.41 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 16:57.20 | alestane | I think bleeter and kd3 do, if they're free. |
| 16:57.22 | shkm | More of a couple of questions, really. I'm curious of performance and difference from Windows. I've got it working through wine but the software mouse cursor is killing me if my FPS drops below 75, which it does far too often. |
| 16:57.53 | haste | performance is better on windows, by quite a lot |
| 16:58.15 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine#Registry_Tweak_for_FPS_Boost |
| 16:58.37 | shkm | Aye, I've done all the generic tweaks and it does run acceptably, but indeed it's a long shot off Windows as it is. |
| 16:58.49 | kd3 | you using nvidia or ati? |
| 16:58.57 | shkm | Most of all, though, I could probably live with it if there were any way to enable the hardware cursor. |
| 16:59.00 | shkm | Nvidia. |
| 16:59.11 | kd3 | if you use d3d mode, you should be able to use the hw cursor |
| 16:59.12 | cogwheel | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?npc=28284#comments:id=367491 |
| 16:59.15 | cogwheel | 'nuff said |
| 16:59.26 | Thunder_Child | there is never 'nuff said |
| 16:59.37 | shkm | I'll have to give that a try, kd3. But doesn't it require Cedega or some such? |
| 16:59.41 | kd3 | nope |
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| 16:59.51 | kd3 | wine's d3d has been strong since pre-1.0 |
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| 17:00.07 | shkm | Good to hear, I'll give that a try right now. Are you running it on d3d, by the way? |
| 17:00.13 | kd3 | every now and then |
| 17:00.19 | shkm | Fair enough. Well, here goes. |
| 17:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | cogwheel: ROFL |
| 17:01.34 | Fisker- | kd3 haven't win always been pre-1.0? :D |
| 17:01.48 | p3lim | haste: what did you update in oUF lately (on wowi) |
| 17:01.52 | kd3 | wine's around 1.1.3 atm |
| 17:02.12 | haste | p3lim: nothing, as there hasn't been a update since 11th august |
| 17:02.16 | shkm | Ouch, that didn't even load. Am I wrong to assume that simply removing the gxApi line with OpenGL will switch it to D3D and work? |
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| 17:02.28 | p3lim | Says on my screen it was updated yesterday.. |
| 17:02.32 | kd3 | ya |
| 17:02.37 | kd3 | what version of wine are you running? |
| 17:02.39 | haste | p3lim: wowi bug |
| 17:02.43 | p3lim | hm |
| 17:02.44 | shkm | 1.1.3. |
| 17:02.46 | haste | l2read dates |
| 17:02.47 | Fisker- | kd3 oh u |
| 17:02.53 | Fisker- | i didn't know it was 1.0 yet |
| 17:02.55 | Fisker- | But srsly |
| 17:03.08 | Fisker- | pre-1.0 is anything from 1.0 to the first ever release :D |
| 17:03.08 | p3lim | So theres been no changes in oUF on wowi since 1.0.4? |
| 17:03.25 | Anaral | What is a good program that extracts icons from exe and dll files? |
| 17:03.32 | haste | you can read the changelog on wowi _and_ you can check what version it is there _and_ you can see tags on git |
| 17:03.50 | p3lim | true, guess it was a site bug then |
| 17:03.55 | shkm | Anaral: Reshacker, I believe. Not entirely sure. |
| 17:04.00 | kd3 | hm. odd. I'm using d3d right now. |
| 17:04.10 | shkm | And you have nothing special in your Config.wtf? |
| 17:04.20 | kd3 | nope |
| 17:04.27 | shkm | Hmm.. I'll look into it a little. |
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| 17:07.50 | shkm | kd3: Out of curiosity, do you have any AA enabled? Wondering if that might be it.. perhaps that's a long shot, I don't know. |
| 17:08.45 | kd3 | nah |
| 17:09.26 | Gnarfoz | uhm did I previously miss the fact, that you can toggle both the blue "?" popups and the tooltip text <keybinding here for feedback> oO |
| 17:09.38 | kd3 | it's been that way for a while, gnar |
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| 17:16.32 | shkm | Odd, can't seem to run in d3d even with a fresh Config.wtf. Just crashes with a "memory cannot be read" error. |
| 17:17.45 | kd3 | weird. but yeah, I am using d3d, so I dunno what's up with that. have you tried running from a console to see what kind of errors wine is spewing? |
| 17:18.08 | shkm | Some fixmes, but aren't those quite normal? I'll give it another go... |
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| 17:20.05 | shkm | Yeah, that's all I can see... oh well, I'll go eat. Thanks for the assistance, kd3. |
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| 17:25.28 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: gah! I was just going to send you a patch for SBB/wotlk and now you just commited half of it :P |
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| 17:32.13 | AckisWork | when you pass a table as a parameter, is the table passed or a reference to that table? |
| 17:32.20 | wereHamster | reference |
| 17:32.38 | AckisWork | so any modification to that variable will modify the original one |
| 17:32.41 | wereHamster | yes |
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| 17:35.33 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95307 |
| 17:37.09 | Gnarfoz | hm guess he's not there ;> |
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| 17:47.15 | Kaso | Anyone waiting eagerly for Chrome to be released |
| 17:47.17 | Kaso | (13min) |
| 17:48.19 | Lopeppeppy | It's seriously releasing today? Interesting. |
| 17:48.40 | Kaso | Yah, theyre having a press conference in a bit then releasing a beta |
| 17:49.12 | wereHamster | what's chrome? |
| 17:49.13 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. Looking forward to knowing whether I have to support it or not. |
| 17:49.14 | foxlit | personally, I'm interested in what's going to happen in a week :) |
| 17:49.18 | Lopeppeppy | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=9855 |
| 17:49.21 | Kaso | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome |
| 17:49.23 | Lopeppeppy | A week, foxlit? |
| 17:49.29 | foxlit | A week, Lopeppeppy. |
| 17:49.50 | foxlit | Chrome is Webkit, anyhow. |
| 17:50.00 | Kaso | What happens in a week? |
| 17:50.19 | foxlit | That's a knowledge puzzle that you'll find hard to solve with google :) |
| 17:50.21 | wereHamster | ah. When is it due? |
| 17:50.36 | Lopeppeppy | So far no webkit-similar browsers work with my CMS, so therefore I don't support 'em. Chrome is most likely on the "nope" list. |
| 17:51.06 | foxlit | Mm, how did you manage to not support it? :) |
| 17:52.43 | Lopeppeppy | If it doesn't work with our product, I have nothing to say or support about it. Pretty simple "Yes or no, check the box" kind of thing. |
| 17:52.50 | duaiwe | "no webkit-similar browsers work" o_0 you must have had to do some crazy stuff to AVOID supporting it. |
| 17:53.10 | MentalPower | Kaso: what tells you that its going out on the hour? |
| 17:53.11 | nevcairiel | Once Chrome is popular, you'll refactor your stance on that =P |
| 17:53.37 | Kaso | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/fresh-take-on-browser.html |
| 17:53.41 | Hirsute | MentalPower: The press conference is scheduled to start in 7 minutes, and it's expected the download will be available shortly after that. |
| 17:53.51 | Kaso | they annouce press conference + release at 1800utc today |
| 17:53.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: what product, out of curiosity? |
| 17:54.01 | Lopeppeppy | We didn't make the product. So far Safari simply can't handle the popup structure, so it doesn't work with our CMS. Paperthin is the company, NightHawkTheSane. |
| 17:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | It makes pretty boxes to put websites into. *gentle shrug* |
| 17:54.25 | foxlit | what's a popup structure? |
| 17:54.26 | NightHawkTheSane | popups? *shudder* |
| 17:54.36 | nevcairiel | if i only hear popup-structure, it get a cold feeling |
| 17:54.42 | Lopeppeppy | Lots of them, NightHawkTheSane. IE chokes regularly. *sigh* |
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| 17:55.26 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean, like, your-worst-nightmare of ads popups, yeah? >.> it could very well just be safari sanely blocking them. *shrug* |
| 17:56.03 | nevcairiel | Chromes stance on popups was that it just hides them as small tabs above the statusbar and you can pull them out if you want them |
| 17:56.11 | nevcairiel | will be pretty uncomfy for a app relying on those 0P |
| 17:56.25 | AckisWork | passing arrays in functions is "bad" correct? ie: foo(x,y,{1,2,3,4}) |
| 17:56.42 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I'm sure you could add exceptions if you wanted to |
| 17:56.54 | foxlit | I mean, it'd be moronic to shoot functionality in the foot if the user doesn't want to do that. |
| 17:56.54 | nevcairiel | AckisWork: it creates a new table every time you call that, so yeah |
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| 17:57.08 | wereHamster | AckisWork: if it's always the same array, consider creating a local in the top of the file |
| 17:57.12 | nevcairiel | of course foxlit, but the user has to care enough |
| 17:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | I just know Safari does not work with the product, so outlook for Chrome is not good. We'll see when I download it. |
| 17:57.22 | nevcairiel | or just say "fuck it, i'm using that page without popups" |
| 17:57.40 | foxlit | It's a non-issue for any actual application that relies on popups :) |
| 17:58.02 | Kaso | http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080902005540&newsLang=en |
| 17:58.13 | Kaso | Webcast of chrome launch press conference |
| 17:58.18 | AckisWork | wereHamster: it's not, right now I'm passing a function which returns a string ie: foo(x,y,bar(1,2,3,4)) => foo(x,y,"1 2 3 4") but I'm doing a substantial change in the way things are handled and am trying to find a nice solution |
| 17:59.27 | wereHamster | AckisWork: why not foo(x, y, 1, 2, 3, 4) ? |
| 17:59.50 | wereHamster | and then use select(3, ...) inside foo to access the 'array' |
| 18:00.19 | AckisWork | wereHamster: it can be an arbitrary number of parameters... so it's foo(x,y,z,...,...) where the two ...'s are sets of arbitrary parameters that do different things |
| 18:00.59 | wereHamster | ah. So you probably won't easily come around creating two tables. |
| 18:01.18 | Thunder_Child | i love this add from costco "fall savings on Towles, Facial tissue, Bath Tissue, and Dr. Pepper" one of these things does not mach the other |
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| 18:01.19 | foxlit | foo(x,y,z, c1, c2, ...) would work |
| 18:01.23 | foxlit | But hey, it's ugly as hell |
| 18:01.39 | foxlit | Either solve your problem on a design level, or eat the table GC cost |
| 18:01.40 | AckisWork | what about serializing/deserializing? |
| 18:01.47 | foxlit | Don't bother. |
| 18:01.50 | wereHamster | not worth it IMO |
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| 18:01.59 | foxlit | You'll incur greater costs than if you would just let the GC do its job |
| 18:02.43 | Kaso | the gc is is fairly good, unless you're doing this onupdate it wont be too much of an issue |
| 18:03.13 | Kaso | even if you are it prob wont be too much of an issue either |
| 18:03.21 | AckisWork | when I originally swtiched from passing {} to the string function I noticed a substantial performance improvement |
| 18:03.56 | ckknight | AckisWork: what you could do is pass in two tuples separated by a nil or something |
| 18:04.30 | AckisWork | ckknight: that would work methinks |
| 18:04.46 | ckknight | it'd be hard to both pass in and parse out |
| 18:04.47 | ckknight | but doable. |
| 18:05.13 | Kaso | perhaps user something more unique than nil as seperator though? unless you sure the data passed in could never be nil |
| 18:05.33 | foxlit | Counts are more elegant |
| 18:06.04 | AckisWork | kaso: yah was already thinking about that |
| 18:06.31 | ckknight | local thing = newproxy() |
| 18:06.34 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 18:06.38 | alestane | A unique table, closure or proxy will all work. |
| 18:06.44 | ckknight | local MAH_NIL = newproxy() |
| 18:06.46 | ckknight | also works |
| 18:06.51 | foxlit | What's possessing you to pass two dynamic tables to a function called frequently, anyway? |
| 18:07.55 | AckisWork | foxlit: recipe info, first table = acquire info, second table = filter flags |
| 18:07.56 | Kaso | Chrome press conference started!! |
| 18:08.23 | foxlit | I don't quite follow |
| 18:08.26 | wereHamster | can I watch it on google videos? |
| 18:08.30 | AckisWork | foxlit: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/AckisRecipeList/RecipeDB/ARL-Enchant.lua |
| 18:08.37 | Kaso | http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080902005540&newsLang=en |
| 18:08.57 | Kaso | Download wont be available until "noon today" |
| 18:09.06 | MentalPower | aka, in an hour |
| 18:09.22 | wereHamster | fuck google, wmp and realplayer. How stupid |
| 18:09.30 | Kaso | its not a google site though |
| 18:09.33 | Kaso | its shareholder.com |
| 18:09.36 | Kaso | whatever that is |
| 18:10.10 | wereHamster | well, chrome won't be available for linux anytime soon. |
| 18:10.28 | Kaso | im going to try wine ofc |
| 18:10.41 | foxlit | AckisWork: that function is only called once |
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| 18:11.01 | wereHamster | Kaso: be sure to tell us how well that works :) |
| 18:11.01 | Kaso | i like how the slides come up too thats night |
| 18:11.45 | Kaso | if worst comes to worse VirtualBox is here too ;p |
| 18:12.03 | NeoTron | I just read an article about how Google is the primary (85%) source of revenue for Firefox and "what if they make their own browser?" |
| 18:12.05 | foxlit | Ignore performance costs, go for code readability if you're only parsing things once |
| 18:12.39 | Kaso | google have signed up with mozilla for their funding agreement till 2011 |
| 18:13.02 | AckisWork | foxlit: when I had the arrays in it, it would cause a 2-3 second lag on my PC per scan |
| 18:13.12 | Cide | go for code readability until profiling shows you need to optimize it |
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| 18:21.06 | NeoTron | interesting |
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| 18:21.12 | NeoTron | Chrome will use one process per tab |
| 18:21.16 | NeoTron | that's probably a good thing |
| 18:21.29 | NeoTron | prevent browser bloating over time |
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| 18:24.33 | Dashkal | Chrome looks pretty interesting. I just don't entirely trust google. |
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| 18:25.42 | JerekDain | generally a good idea with any company that's getting that big :P |
| 18:25.48 | JerekDain | but i <3 google anyway |
| 18:25.57 | NeoTron | Dashkal: I'm sure theer are people that don't trust google that will check out the code |
| 18:26.09 | nevcairiel | thats why i dont worry |
| 18:26.17 | zenzelezz | I wish they'd chosen a different name than "chrome" |
| 18:26.28 | NeoTron | google is big enough to attract people to actually check their code |
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| 18:26.30 | JerekDain | yeah, i trust ms less yet i'm using windows... (not ie though of course) |
| 18:26.31 | Dashkal | I absolutely love thier style. I'm just inclined to wait until after people have had time to look at that code |
| 18:27.03 | Dashkal | I don't _distrust_ them, it's just that, well, they are a public company. Cash is the bottom line. |
| 18:27.27 | JerekDain | zenzelezz: the idea is that that's esentially what it is - chrome. it's mainly just a wrapper for web applications. |
| 18:27.28 | ckknight | well, Chrome's just using WebKit, so at least that |
| 18:28.02 | ckknight | at least it's not another web toolkit, but rather one that is pretty standards compliant |
| 18:28.16 | Dashkal | definite plus |
| 18:28.21 | Dashkal | and I _like_ the design |
| 18:28.29 | zenzelezz | JerekDain: yes, but many people think of Mozilla when they hear "chrome" |
| 18:28.43 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 18:28.49 | Dashkal | I thought at first it was a rebranded firefox |
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| 18:29.50 | NeoTron | I agree on the name |
| 18:30.00 | NeoTron | I also thought immediately of Firefox/Mozilla |
| 18:30.03 | nevcairiel | what do i care how its named when its good |
| 18:30.04 | JerekDain | zenzelezz: perhaps, but i think most ff users aren't even aware of the term chrome |
| 18:30.16 | Kaso | The thread im reading about chrome is called "Google Chrome - There's a safari in my firefox" |
| 18:30.22 | JerekDain | heh |
| 18:30.37 | nevcairiel | wtb beta noaw |
| 18:30.47 | JerekDain | i'm curious to see how it handles heavy js apps |
| 18:31.02 | JerekDain | trying to think of good heavy things to throw at it |
| 18:31.08 | nevcairiel | well if you can trust V8, its going to be great |
| 18:31.15 | nevcairiel | armory is always heavy =P |
| 18:31.22 | Lopeppeppy | When I get a link, I'll toss CMS at it and see which one wins. |
| 18:31.52 | Kaso | problem with armory is there wont be a flash plugin for a while will there? |
| 18:32.07 | nevcairiel | maybe they read netscape-style plugins |
| 18:32.21 | Kaso | that'd be nice |
| 18:32.43 | Kaso | but didnt the comic talk about a new plugin architecture? |
| 18:32.47 | nevcairiel | I need my firebug though |
| 18:32.48 | JerekDain | ah, armory will be fun, i'll have to try it on my wife's comp to boot... makes her whole comp chug |
| 18:33.41 | JerekDain | yeah, i don't think i could leave ff without a good firebug replacement... it's what made me switch from opera |
| 18:34.14 | nevcairiel | best tool for a webdeveloper _ever_ |
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| 18:35.26 | foxlit | Which particular aspect of it are we referring to? |
| 18:35.35 | zenzelezz | with a separate process for each tab, it'll have to be IPC heavy to synchronize stuff |
| 18:35.44 | nevcairiel | Kaso: thinking of google, i wouldnt be suprised if they contacted adobe already and get a flash plugin working =P |
| 18:36.03 | Bouvi | Screw google I need flash on my iphone first lol |
| 18:36.14 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: maybe even working (properly) under Linux |
| 18:36.55 | JerekDain | foxlit: of firebug? i do html/css inspection/modification, and javascript error watching and executing. other features i wouldn't too be concerned with. |
| 18:37.23 | nevcairiel | yeah mostly html/css viewing/highlighting/modification |
| 18:37.43 | foxlit | Virtually everything does that now :) |
| 18:37.50 | JerekDain | i heard it's windows-only at launch, haven't heard when/if linux or mac are coming |
| 18:38.35 | JerekDain | haven't seen anything that does that in opera, and the ie version is a nightmare to use |
| 18:39.00 | JerekDain | from what i hear the ie8 version will be decent though |
| 18:39.12 | Bouvi | They said they are working on a Mac version but not ready yet. |
| 18:39.13 | zenzelezz | there are many ways to do what firebug does; firebug just does it very nicely |
| 18:39.18 | JerekDain | won't save my sanity designing for ie6 though :x |
| 18:39.23 | Lopeppeppy | I hear it sucks up more computer processing than the entire of a Windows XP install does (IE8 that is) |
| 18:39.34 | JerekDain | i doubt that |
| 18:39.45 | kd3 | I saw that too |
| 18:40.00 | steezo | more memory is what i read |
| 18:40.18 | JerekDain | but isn't it just an iterative improvement over ie7? |
| 18:40.32 | kd3 | when is anything MS an "iterative improvement"? |
| 18:41.22 | kd3 | http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archives/2008/09/ie_8_consumes_m.html |
| 18:42.11 | Lopeppeppy | There ya go, kd3, thank you. I knew that what I read was about "fatter" and "IE8", but couldn't find the link again. |
| 18:43.28 | kd3 | it's on /... there's other links too iirc |
| 18:43.36 | Fisker- | it's retarded to compare IE8 with Fx |
| 18:43.46 | Fisker- | rather do it with Google Chrome |
| 18:44.09 | nevcairiel | slashdotdotdot? |
| 18:44.58 | nevcairiel | well he has a flash plugin already |
| 18:45.00 | nevcairiel | so yay? |
| 18:48.59 | nevcairiel | http://www.google.com/chrome/ |
| 18:49.01 | nevcairiel | download up |
| 18:50.34 | *** join/#wowuidev isman (n=drag@mlr78-3-88-162-68-235.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:51.42 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, doesn't work wiith CMS, Peppy's work here is done. :) |
| 18:52.07 | zenzelezz | good, then you have time for meee |
| 18:52.12 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 18:52.34 | JerekDain | cms? |
| 18:52.50 | alestane | "Content Management System"? |
| 18:53.02 | *** join/#wowuidev kneeki (n=chatzill@66.45.169.50) |
| 18:53.25 | Dashkal | ~fail Google |
| 18:53.26 | purl | Google: FAIL! |
| 18:53.26 | JerekDain | that's what i figured... is there one actually named that? i'm only aware of the generic term |
| 18:53.35 | Dashkal | Give me the damn windows download link despite my agent |
| 18:53.35 | wereHamster | why Dashkal? |
| 18:53.47 | alestane | doitnow |
| 18:53.53 | Gnarfoz | I thought webkit was even better at standards compliance than firefox... this must mean the CMS in question has pretty bad code :D |
| 18:53.55 | alestane | er, mt. |
| 18:54.22 | Gnarfoz | also, why does google, too, draw its own window decorations |
| 18:54.24 | zenzelezz | I wish installers/programs would stop assuming that I want to use language X and at least offer an easy, early way to change it |
| 18:54.25 | Gnarfoz | I HATES THEM |
| 18:54.32 | Dashkal | Damn thing detects my agent as Linux, and offers to tell me when it'll be available. Just give me the damn link and I'll fire up wine |
| 18:54.33 | alestane | I think she said it has to do with her software's reliance on Popups for user dialog. |
| 18:54.43 | wereHamster | Gnarfoz: isn't it the standard vista window decoration? |
| 18:54.49 | Gnarfoz | I'm on XP? |
| 18:54.53 | Gnarfoz | also, no, it's blue. |
| 18:54.58 | Gnarfoz | and pixel art |
| 18:55.02 | zenzelezz | <Gnarfoz> also, why does google, too, draw its own window decorations <-- seconded |
| 18:55.09 | Gnarfoz | or whatever. it looks like utter shit and totally out of place |
| 18:55.17 | Gnarfoz | I run WindowBlinds for a reason :D |
| 18:55.48 | Industrial | nevcairiel: oh cool they launched? |
| 18:55.51 | Gnarfoz | yay installer choked on importing :D |
| 18:55.57 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: mine too |
| 18:55.59 | wereHamster | Dashkal: same here. about:config and change useragent string |
| 18:56.02 | Gnarfoz | he, it recovered |
| 18:56.08 | kd3 | UA switcher extension <3 |
| 18:56.12 | Gnarfoz | also: they not only do it for the installer, they do it for the whole thing |
| 18:56.15 | Gnarfoz | errrg |
| 18:56.17 | Gnarfoz | *uninstall* |
| 18:56.37 | kd3 | wine goes splat with an seh |
| 18:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, yes, popups of mighty everywhereness. Rawr. It's all good, Firefox is my preferred anyway. |
| 18:57.34 | Dashkal | wereHamster: Damn, that can be done in about:config? Had no idea |
| 18:58.15 | wereHamster | Dashkal: some UA settings can be changed, though I don't see any way to change the UA string to windows |
| 18:58.41 | Dashkal | Yeah, I'm not seeing it. I don't want to have to get a UA extension just to download the damn thing. I'll check it out from home on a windows bos |
| 18:58.43 | Dashkal | box* |
| 19:00.07 | zenzelezz | Chrome definitely needs the Phoenity Modern skin before I can like its appearance |
| 19:01.58 | Dashkal | I kinda wanna gank the JS engine for another project. Need to check out the license on that. |
| 19:02.32 | zenzelezz | it seems to have some form of built-in Firebug |
| 19:02.45 | Kaso | You know what i hate |
| 19:02.57 | JerekDain | zenzelezz: o rly? |
| 19:03.03 | Kaso | people who stop you getting to a download because your UA doesnt match the platform |
| 19:03.06 | cladhaire | you guys should post screenshots for us |
| 19:03.08 | cladhaire | who are on mac =( |
| 19:03.30 | Gnarfoz | it looks wrong even on windows |
| 19:03.31 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 19:03.39 | JerekDain | http://www.wowarmory.com/ renders nice and snappy, but the search box has black text and the tooltips are like 300px north of the cursor |
| 19:03.47 | wereHamster | please someone post the download link :) |
| 19:03.52 | Dashkal | Kaso: I was just bitching about that :p |
| 19:03.53 | cladhaire | i wanna see wrongness! |
| 19:03.57 | Lopeppeppy | www.google.com/chrome |
| 19:04.13 | wereHamster | to the exe, not to the webpage |
| 19:04.14 | zenzelezz | JerekDain: "Alternatives for this page" -> "Developer" -> "Javascript console" (words may differ, it's insisting on using my native language at the moment) |
| 19:04.15 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: the real link. Linux clients get a download box |
| 19:04.18 | Dashkal | erm |
| 19:04.19 | Kaso | lol |
| 19:04.20 | zenzelezz | has Firebug-like features |
| 19:04.21 | Dashkal | a email box |
| 19:04.50 | Gnarfoz | tooltips seem fine for me, JerekDain |
| 19:04.54 | Gnarfoz | and hell it's fast :X |
| 19:05.04 | Gnarfoz | I hope TraceMonkey's gonna be like that |
| 19:05.26 | JerekDain | yeah, it's rendering wowarmory like it's a plain text page with a couple images |
| 19:06.14 | zenzelezz | I hope it'll be as plugin-friendly as Firefox |
| 19:06.15 | Gnarfoz | though, because the armory uses "SJAX" if you might call it that, it can probably still lock your browser up by simply not responding :D |
| 19:06.26 | Gnarfoz | I hope it'll get "native" window decorations. :P |
| 19:06.51 | Gnarfoz | otherwise, the only thing I'll use it for is website testing with /another/ browser framework ;D |
| 19:06.58 | NeoTron | main reason I use firefox: adblock and other extensions |
| 19:07.58 | Lopeppeppy | Main reason I use Firefox... it bloody works. :) |
| 19:07.58 | wereHamster | http://dl.google.com/update2/installers/ChromeSetup.exe |
| 19:08.07 | Gnarfoz | anyone using Chrome on Vista? |
| 19:08.11 | wereHamster | .. enjoy :) |
| 19:08.29 | Gnarfoz | does it draw its joke of window decorations there, too? or does it let windows handle that there |
| 19:08.54 | nevcairiel | i only see the tabs |
| 19:09.03 | nevcairiel | in a vista-style window |
| 19:09.05 | Industrial | so wheres adblock! |
| 19:09.19 | Gnarfoz | vista-style? or is it actually "aero" |
| 19:09.35 | Gnarfoz | (probably fake, if you write it that way :P) |
| 19:09.35 | nevcairiel | its aero, with that blurry alpha and all |
| 19:09.38 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 19:09.51 | Gnarfoz | yay google! don't try to be vista on XP, thanks :X |
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| 19:10.35 | Gnarfoz | I know why they do it, but it needs to at least be colour-configurable ;p |
| 19:10.38 | Kaso | ChromeSetup dies without doing anything on wine >< |
| 19:11.02 | Zyuu | pretty nice browser |
| 19:11.06 | Zyuu | but ill stick to firefox :P |
| 19:11.10 | Gnarfoz | idd. |
| 19:11.20 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: so you're saying Murder Spree is currently not worth it? |
| 19:11.28 | Antiarc | It's very underwhelming |
| 19:11.41 | Gnarfoz | I'm currently some weird hybrid sub spec |
| 19:11.48 | Gnarfoz | with Honor Among Thieves, which is just plain OP |
| 19:13.15 | cladhaire | when did they remove the ability to join as group for AB and WSG.. I know they did for AV.. but didn't remember them turning it off for these |
| 19:13.17 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (i=smcn@c-67-160-186-84.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 19:13.39 | nevcairiel | it worked like two days ago when i did last pvp |
| 19:13.41 | nevcairiel | so did AV |
| 19:13.45 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 19:13.54 | cladhaire | the button is greyed out for me |
| 19:13.56 | nevcairiel | AV only allows 5-man group, though |
| 19:14.00 | nevcairiel | no raids |
| 19:14.02 | cladhaire | maybe preform greys it out? |
| 19:14.02 | cladhaire | oh |
| 19:14.04 | cladhaire | we're in a raid |
| 19:14.06 | cladhaire | for AB |
| 19:14.07 | Dashkal | wereHamster: <3 |
| 19:14.24 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: did you actually have lead? =P |
| 19:14.35 | cladhaire | no, you're right I don't. |
| 19:14.38 | cladhaire | lol |
| 19:14.44 | cladhaire | but does join as raid work for AB? |
| 19:14.47 | Anaral | Is it just me or does a replacement wow launcher (http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/13582/) seem a little on the sketchy side? |
| 19:14.48 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 19:15.06 | cladhaire | cause.. this is idiotic.. using preform to do join as a group |
| 19:15.16 | Dashkal | *sigh* $ wine ChromeSetup.exe ... nothing happens and I get my prompt back |
| 19:15.18 | wereHamster | Dashkal: I installed fx3 under wine, went to the chrome webpage and extracted the link. But I can't install it, the installer just exits without any warning/error |
| 19:15.40 | kd3 | [14:56:37] <kd3> wine goes splat with an seh |
| 19:15.56 | wereHamster | no exception here, it just exits |
| 19:15.57 | cogwheel | Dashkal: doesn't do anything for me either (on xp) |
| 19:16.15 | Kaso | if you go to the url directly it doesnt work |
| 19:16.33 | Kaso | it needs the javascript to send some get variables or whatever to get the proper executable for some reason |
| 19:16.36 | Kaso | use useragent switcher |
| 19:16.48 | Kaso | but still wine dies err:seh:raise_exception Unhandled exception code c0000005 flags 0 addr 0x1804984f |
| 19:17.07 | haste | I got that when I tried with vista Kaso |
| 19:17.19 | ANTRat | i get nothing at all in wine |
| 19:17.48 | Dashkal | ChromeSetup.exe: MS-DOS executable PE for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit |
| 19:17.54 | haste | with winxp it said my installer wasn't up to date |
| 19:17.57 | Dashkal | I got a real executable, it just doens't do anything |
| 19:18.11 | Kaso | 7592488482d447ce6ece8fe5705febac ChromeSetup.exe |
| 19:18.11 | Kaso | 555c8c18778b7caba710e51afd52ec02 ChromeSetup.exe.1 |
| 19:18.14 | Kaso | .1 is bad |
| 19:18.38 | wereHamster | is that sha1sum? |
| 19:18.41 | Kaso | md5 |
| 19:18.56 | kd3 | huh, I got something different |
| 19:19.04 | kd3 | 4e9fc2daa0cb70c2ffd16808573b02f1 ChromeSetup.exe |
| 19:19.09 | wereHamster | I get a completely different checksum, and I downloaded it with firefox under wine |
| 19:19.24 | cogwheel | go through http://google.com/chrome |
| 19:19.27 | cogwheel | worked for me |
| 19:19.35 | Kaso | .1 was gotten from "wget http://dl.google.com/update2/installers/ChromeSetup.exe" it does not work |
| 19:19.37 | nevcairiel | 800fed9a6ba99f15b00d01b78373cc84 */c/Users/Punisher/Desktop/ChromeSetup.exe |
| 19:19.40 | Kaso | goign through the website didi work |
| 19:19.42 | nevcairiel | from vista |
| 19:20.05 | Kaso | do they deliver special executables then? |
| 19:20.12 | wereHamster | Kaso: I went through the website, and yet my checksum is 3f42... |
| 19:20.16 | zenzelezz | apparently they do, in some way |
| 19:20.22 | zenzelezz | 1fca7cc880d75117533e42286635f17d |
| 19:20.25 | Kaso | customised somehow |
| 19:20.39 | cogwheel | they might put in some guid to track installations |
| 19:21.16 | Cide | does it depend on whether or not you checked the "send stats to google" checkbox? |
| 19:21.29 | Kaso | Well we;ve gotten more than two sets of hashes |
| 19:21.57 | Cide | ah |
| 19:22.01 | zenzelezz | I didn't check the "send stats" box, but you can still toggle it in the settings, so it might give you a GUID anyway |
| 19:22.07 | Dashkal | I have Kaso's .1 version |
| 19:22.28 | Kaso | the .1 is from directly downloading the url |
| 19:22.32 | Kaso | it *does not* work |
| 19:22.36 | Dashkal | obviously :p |
| 19:22.48 | Kaso | you have to go through the javascript thingy |
| 19:23.03 | wereHamster | apparently they are tracking who uses the chrome browser to access their webpages. They randomize an url (the default homepage?) with iid={$UUID} |
| 19:23.47 | Kaso | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13 |
| 19:23.51 | Kaso | if anyone is interested? |
| 19:25.59 | Industrial | OMG it has a safe porn mode |
| 19:25.59 | Industrial | cool |
| 19:25.59 | zenzelezz | "You must haev Javascript activated in your browser to download this software", the page tells me in links.... (old news) |
| 19:25.59 | cogwheel | heh "Stats for nerds" |
| 19:26.06 | Industrial | ctrl+shift+n |
| 19:26.06 | Industrial | ;p\ |
| 19:26.50 | Kaso | i hate how user agents have become this ridiculous "IM COMPATIBLE HONEST" fest rather than what they should be |
| 19:27.05 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 19:27.37 | Kaso | "Chrome/0.2.149.27 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US)" Done |
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| 19:28.06 | Lunessa | ..station. |
| 19:28.23 | Lopeppeppy | Station. *hug* |
| 19:29.13 | wereHamster | seems like the easiest way to get chrome running under linux is to set up a vm. Too bad I deleted the winxp qemu image I had a couple weeks ago :( |
| 19:29.45 | Kaso | Im running under virtualbox seamless its awesome |
| 19:31.09 | Kaso | Anyone tried armory on chrome? the tooltips on the search result pages dont line up properly for me |
| 19:31.53 | smcn | tooltips showing fine for me |
| 19:32.05 | smcn | search box text is black however :P |
| 19:32.30 | smcn | ofc i'm actually running under windows :P |
| 19:33.09 | smcn | in other news, it's been so long since i've played live my druid isn't even showing up on armory search |
| 19:33.16 | smcn | oh wait no there he is |
| 19:33.23 | smcn | after a level 30 shaman |
| 19:33.33 | Thunder_Child | thye only dont show up if your account is deactivated i thought |
| 19:34.48 | smcn | hmm maybe, hunter i haven't played in 2 years is showing ;P |
| 19:34.58 | Kaso | There is no "Undo close tab", this sucks |
| 19:35.06 | Thunder_Child | yet |
| 19:35.25 | smcn | kaso, on the "new tab" page there's a section on the right with recently closed tabs |
| 19:35.35 | smcn | not exactly the same thing but it's there :p |
| 19:36.07 | Kaso | yah, undo close tab in firefox restores back/forward history place on page etc |
| 19:36.12 | Kaso | but thatll help somwhat |
| 19:39.15 | Lunessa | Repeatedly crashing Outlook - [ ] pointless [ ] stupid [ ] annoying [ ] priceless - check one. |
| 19:39.39 | Thunder_Child | [!]annoying |
| 19:39.48 | Lunessa | ./agree |
| 19:45.18 | wereHamster | Kaso: do you know how virtualbox seamless mode works? Does it use rdp + some shell extension or does virtualbox hook into windows gdi to redirect the drawing to X11? |
| 19:46.00 | Kaso | honestly no idea. I installed a driver in windows, and it "just works" |
| 19:47.56 | Kaso | Anyone else getting Chrome running like 3 times slower than ff 3.0.1 on http://celtickane.com/webdesign/jsspeed2007.php ? |
| 19:49.04 | haste | I got slightly faster results on chrome on a 700MHz :p |
| 19:49.13 | haste | 1100 vs 1300 |
| 19:49.21 | Kaso | 1172 vs 483 |
| 19:49.27 | Kaso | how is my firefox going so fast? |
| 19:49.39 | smcn | 460 on chrome |
| 19:49.47 | haste | 749 on firefox here, 3.0 |
| 19:49.53 | haste | and AMD 3700+ :p |
| 19:50.22 | Kaso | i am running in a vm perhaps thats doing something to the results |
| 19:50.27 | haste | I want to see some sunspider results tho' |
| 19:50.32 | cogwheel | FX3: 339; Opera 9.5: 313; Chrome: 542 |
| 19:50.34 | Cide | Kaso: more like, how is your chrome going so slowly |
| 19:50.44 | Kaso | Yah |
| 19:50.45 | Cide | I get 468 on chrome, 480-580 or so on firefox |
| 19:50.58 | Kaso | apparently chrome does not like virtualisation |
| 19:51.11 | Cide | but firefox's array is 11 whereas chrome's is 125 |
| 19:51.41 | Cide | but chrome is more than twice as fast on dom manipulation, over 3 times as fast on math, ~6 times faster on error handling |
| 19:52.00 | cogwheel | chrome's biggest loss for me is the date object... 102 vs 6 in fx |
| 19:52.11 | Cide | 24 in chrome vs 11 in ff |
| 19:52.29 | Cide | chrome still wins overall, despite the large difference in Array object |
| 19:53.19 | wereHamster | hm. apparently winxp doesn't like if it has only 128MB of ram |
| 19:53.30 | wereHamster | (the default ram in kvm) |
| 19:53.38 | haste | I have 128MB RAM on my laptop |
| 19:53.44 | haste | and it works just fine |
| 19:54.04 | wereHamster | it would probably work, but it was horribly slow when starting up |
| 19:54.09 | Kaso | Date object: 13435 |
| 19:54.19 | haste | it's quite fast hee |
| 19:54.22 | Kaso | chrome does seriously not like emulation >< |
| 19:54.28 | haste | but I've removed tons of services |
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| 19:56.15 | wereHamster | haste: under kvm/qemu? |
| 19:56.26 | haste | no, it's a old dell l400 |
| 20:02.14 | smcn | heh, "stats for nerds" on chrome task manager :P |
| 20:02.26 | cogwheel | i love how all the "cool" videos on http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/features.html# are "no longer available"... |
| 20:03.03 | cogwheel | and wtb opera settings import |
| 20:03.14 | Kaso | So apparently chrome can use flash plugin however its performance is horrible |
| 20:04.13 | Lyn | hah! have to load chrome |
| 20:04.23 | Kaso | Also i think it just managed to lock up the browser, i thought wasnt possible |
| 20:04.32 | cogwheel | beta |
| 20:04.33 | cogwheel | imo |
| 20:04.34 | cogwheel | :P |
| 20:04.38 | smcn | yeah |
| 20:04.44 | smcn | obviously a lot of things missing ;P |
| 20:04.47 | Esine | Kaso, you already answered to your question. Flash. |
| 20:04.49 | nevcairiel | well if the IPC-core of their processes dies |
| 20:04.52 | nevcairiel | its still possible .P |
| 20:04.52 | Thunder_Child | Kaso is just a hater |
| 20:05.08 | Kaso | lol |
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| 20:07.49 | Lunessa | so much hate. |
| 20:08.45 | Lopeppeppy | Hate, hate hate |
| 20:08.54 | zenzelezz | this is the nature of open source |
| 20:09.13 | zenzelezz | first it's widely hated outside of the fanboi core, then it becomes popular and praised |
| 20:09.29 | Lunessa | Oh, I thought it was the nature of Open Source to be all about the Free Love, and pass the bong... |
| 20:09.57 | zenzelezz | it's free love as long as you totally agree with the other party's opinion only |
| 20:11.50 | Kaso | open source camps have about as much hate for each other as they do for proprietary software |
| 20:12.29 | zenzelezz | just look at the different licence camps. "What? BSD? Go die FFS" |
| 20:13.37 | |Jelly| | I love my paladin! |
| 20:14.45 | Kaso | lol at this quote |
| 20:14.54 | Kaso | "I don't know why I expected Google employees to look like rockstars, but I am facing the cruel reality of just how nerdy they are." |
| 20:15.06 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 20:15.57 | Lyn | i miss adblock in chrome x) |
| 20:16.21 | zenzelezz | hell, I miss adblock when I watch TV or walk through town |
| 20:16.30 | Lyn | :p |
| 20:16.44 | foxlit | l2hosts |
| 20:17.05 | zenzelezz | sometimes you don't want to block an entire host |
| 20:17.09 | zenzelezz | an iframe can suffice |
| 20:17.22 | foxlit | I haven't yet met that situation |
| 20:18.00 | smcn | here's to hoping noscript/adblock get ported to gears, imagine the potential of having them in any browser :D |
| 20:18.02 | foxlit | Or, perhaps, I have. Doubleclick does some evil click-through voodoo. |
| 20:18.30 | zenzelezz | I really do hope Chrome will have the extensibility and configurability levels Firefox do |
| 20:20.09 | foxlit | Hm, wonder what the heck is going on with my PHP file upload script :( |
| 20:20.36 | haste | it eats babies |
| 20:21.23 | foxlit | It may well be doing that |
| 20:21.42 | haste | I thought PHP ran on babies |
| 20:21.53 | foxlit | Perhaps I'm having unrealistic expectations of speed over SSL, but it really shouldn't take 20s to handle a 600KB file :/ |
| 20:23.01 | nevcairiel | did it eventually finish? |
| 20:23.38 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: that's incredibly broken speeds |
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| 20:24.14 | foxlit | nev: something times out sooner. |
| 20:24.17 | cbreak | ssl should not slow down the transfer noticably |
| 20:24.29 | cbreak | just increase the negotiation time due to expensive public key ops |
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| 20:28.57 | Untitled-10FA147 | need to change the wether forcast Cairenn|afk, i think the skys have cleared |
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| 20:30.26 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, what? |
| 20:30.43 | foxlit | Thunder_Child, what what? |
| 20:30.50 | Thunder_Child | "ctcp from foxlit: TIME" |
| 20:31.08 | foxlit | Clearly TIME :) |
| 20:31.22 | Thunder_Child | this i got, however i am wonder why it was sent in the first place |
| 20:31.43 | Thunder_Child | wondering* |
| 20:32.24 | foxlit | Generally, a CTCP supporting client should hide that from you |
| 20:32.36 | foxlit | As to why, the lack of spelling combined with a rather odd username raised some curiosity :) |
| 20:32.58 | Thunder_Child | pfft, i missed an a |
| 20:33.04 | Thunder_Child | for me thats great spelling |
| 20:33.08 | Thunder_Child | spelling* |
| 20:33.11 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 20:33.54 | Thunder_Child | and TIME'ing me helped figure out what? |
| 20:33.55 | foxlit | skys :) |
| 20:34.00 | Lunessa | See? We have to proof all his work. |
| 20:34.18 | Thrae | You spelt "spelling" correctly, but missed an apostrophe. Common in IRC. |
| 20:34.18 | Thunder_Child | oh..*sigh* |
| 20:34.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ~comfort Thunder_Child |
| 20:34.30 | purl | There, there, Thunder_Child. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:34.43 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 20:34.43 | purl | :), Thunder_Child |
| 20:35.04 | Zootfizzle | forecast |
| 20:35.30 | Zootfizzle | XD |
| 20:35.41 | Thunder_Child | ~lart the channel |
| 20:35.41 | purl | blasts the channel with a huge firehose then strangles the channel with it |
| 20:36.13 | nevcairiel | meh, GMs still didnt unstuck my char, thats really getting old now, being stuck in front of CoT:Stratholme and crashing on login :( |
| 20:36.38 | smcn | i thought they were making cot a no-mans-land today? |
| 20:36.40 | foxlit | make a new char, clearly :) |
| 20:37.05 | nevcairiel | smcn: doesnt help you if you're already stuck there for 2 days now :P |
| 20:37.19 | nevcairiel | and no i'm not throwing away my 79 druid! |
| 20:37.20 | Zootfizzle | nevcairiel: what's your character name? |
| 20:37.21 | smcn | well, i figured the point was it would teleport you |
| 20:37.28 | wereHamster | are you so addicted that you can't live two days without your wow character? |
| 20:37.31 | nevcairiel | Zootfizzle: Nevcairiel, on EU realm |
| 20:37.37 | nevcairiel | wereHamster: definately |
| 20:37.39 | Thunder_Child | wereHamster, you really need to askthat? |
| 20:37.50 | smcn | if you have to ask that you're obviously not in beta :D |
| 20:37.56 | Zootfizzle | Oh =( |
| 20:37.57 | smcn | really gives new life to the game |
| 20:38.03 | smcn | imo^ |
| 20:38.05 | Zootfizzle | You're beyond my powers of make happy |
| 20:38.17 | Zootfizzle | Sorry =/ |
| 20:38.28 | nevcairiel | too bad, thanks for trying, though |
| 20:38.48 | wereHamster | there are ads in the german TV channels raising up the problem with internet addiction. Sponsored by the EU |
| 20:38.51 | Thunder_Child | do or do not, there is no try |
| 20:38.58 | nevcairiel | but seriously, 2 days open GM ticket |
| 20:39.07 | nevcairiel | i should write one on live and get them to lock at my beta ticket =P |
| 20:39.11 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: iirc their tools are broke for beta forums. check your CSF forums |
| 20:39.15 | nevcairiel | look* |
| 20:39.23 | ScytheBlade1 | s/beta forums/beta/ |
| 20:39.25 | Thrae | wereHamster: Yeah, people with TV addiction tell me those ads are annoying. |
| 20:39.43 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: a guildy had that too, he was un-stuck just on the weekend |
| 20:39.48 | nevcairiel | too bad he didnt warn me before <.< |
| 20:39.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:40.01 | Lunessa | Internet Addicton: Becasue RL sucks. |
| 20:40.06 | ScytheBlade1 | truth |
| 20:40.36 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Are you stuck like "blank world" or do you crash at login? |
| 20:40.41 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I was stuck with crash on login and disconnect on login with my DK and the tickets sat for a long while and were dismissed |
| 20:40.41 | nevcairiel | crash on login |
| 20:40.46 | NeoTron | because the GM logged in and had no crash |
| 20:40.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:40.55 | nevcairiel | its a known bug |
| 20:40.56 | NeoTron | ... because the issue was MacOS X specific |
| 20:41.01 | nevcairiel | they even made the zone No mans land |
| 20:41.02 | NeoTron | in my case |
| 20:41.04 | wereHamster | clear cache? |
| 20:41.08 | nevcairiel | but i'm stuck there |
| 20:41.18 | nevcairiel | nah doesnt help, it happens to everyone |
| 20:41.24 | NeoTron | no mans land is fun |
| 20:41.33 | NeoTron | I try to fly from dalaran and ran into it |
| 20:41.42 | NeoTron | on my way to dragonblight |
| 20:41.52 | nevcairiel | flying route from dalaran to sholazar takes you through NML |
| 20:41.53 | ScytheBlade1 | You hit icecrown |
| 20:41.54 | nevcairiel | its not fun |
| 20:41.58 | smcn | NeoTron: i was just about to say that, pointless to make dalaran your home pre-77 ;P |
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| 20:42.20 | NeoTron | ah well |
| 20:42.23 | NeoTron | I don't hearth often |
| 20:42.28 | NeoTron | like once a day tops, probably less |
| 20:42.40 | NeoTron | not exactly leveling in 3 hrs :P |
| 20:42.42 | nevcairiel | i only hearth when returning from respec |
| 20:42.44 | smcn | heh i hearth like 5 times a day on my dk, i'm constantly respeccing |
| 20:42.52 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 i've never seen an issue flying from dalaran |
| 20:43.23 | smcn | playing my druid atm though, looking ahead to end-game testing... figured it'd be kind of impossible to test being one of a million dk's |
| 20:43.32 | NeoTron | I just deelted like 20+ greens (well vendored) on my DK |
| 20:43.33 | smcn | healers are always in demand ;P |
| 20:43.44 | NeoTron | after deciding I will go for "decent dps but with stamina" over all the no-stamina items |
| 20:43.52 | nevcairiel | the latest talent push for druids is so awesome healing wise |
| 20:44.07 | NeoTron | smcn: perfect 10-man raid: 8 DK's, 2 healers |
| 20:44.13 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:44.16 | smcn | i've been super excited about resto since seeing the alpha leak talents |
| 20:44.22 | NeoTron | everyone dps in frost stance so it doesn't matter who tanks |
| 20:44.28 | smcn | lol |
| 20:44.31 | NeoTron | make the healers 1 priest 1 shaman for good group heals |
| 20:44.39 | smcn | man flourish is pretty good |
| 20:45.00 | smcn | i did uk & nexus, just kept the tank targetted the whole time keeping lifebloom & nourish up |
| 20:45.21 | smcn | nsht here and there when a dk (of course) stole aggro |
| 20:45.38 | NeoTron | that's why you need a DK tank |
| 20:45.48 | NeoTron | our dk tank usually topped damage |
| 20:45.53 | NeoTron | ofc he was 2-4 levels higher too |
| 20:45.58 | smcn | levelling boomkin right now though, kind of tired of uk & nexus already did them like 10 times each on my dk because tanking is so fun :D |
| 20:46.05 | NeoTron | 3xDK, boomkin, priest |
| 20:46.32 | NeoTron | actually got decent tank set on my dk now. 13.3k unbuffed health and although not great, at least passable defensive stats |
| 20:46.38 | smcn | if he was unholy yeah, blight + ScS is insane |
| 20:46.39 | Thrae | Sounds like DK is going to be a problem in PvP. |
| 20:46.50 | nevcairiel | DK will be nerfed |
| 20:46.52 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, the numbers are still being tweaked for dks |
| 20:46.52 | NeoTron | he was frost |
| 20:46.55 | smcn | Thrae: talents aren't near final |
| 20:47.06 | Thrae | Well, for now. |
| 20:47.07 | NeoTron | I guess talents are pretty done, but the numbers are not |
| 20:47.50 | NeoTron | I checked recount over a significant period of questing any my average DPS was 1500ish |
| 20:47.52 | smcn | well, the death rune talents in blood and unholy are broken so idk if they were in the middle of changes or what ;P |
| 20:47.57 | NeoTron | mind you I try to get at least 2-4 mobs at a time |
| 20:48.07 | NeoTron | what's broken with the unholy one? |
| 20:48.17 | smcn | only one of the runes stays perma-death |
| 20:48.21 | NeoTron | blood I noticed was broken |
| 20:48.35 | smcn | it's like they just copy and pasted the blood->death base skill |
| 20:48.44 | NeoTron | well I just use bloodboil OOC |
| 20:48.47 | NeoTron | to get the death runes up |
| 20:48.58 | smcn | it gives you a buff and after it expires the first death rune changes back to blood, but the second one is perma-death until you use it |
| 20:49.12 | NeoTron | I must say I really prefer how frost plays |
| 20:49.23 | NeoTron | blood in an instance was completely boring though :P |
| 20:49.40 | NeoTron | I am not sure what the purpose of blood is - better single target DPS in theory I guess |
| 20:49.49 | smcn | i respecced frost yesterday because it seems like the only tree that isn't broken :P desecration is broken too, not giving the 10% damage |
| 20:50.09 | smcn | but levelling my druid now, probably when azn is back open i'll give it a whirl |
| 20:50.13 | NeoTron | my main point was that the talents themself seem prety good |
| 20:50.20 | NeoTron | it's just not necessarily all working and not balanced |
| 20:50.27 | Lunessa | If you're on Northrend I can make the Cobalt armor - the DPS and Tanking sets are pretty nice. |
| 20:50.28 | smcn | NeoTron: yeah, it's supposed to be the "physical" tree i think, seeing as scourge and frost strikes are magic |
| 20:50.39 | NeoTron | Lunessa: what level gear is that? |
| 20:50.46 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.58 | NeoTron | level 74 now, not sure how it'd compare |
| 20:51.25 | Lunessa | It is comparable to green rewards. |
| 20:51.27 | NeoTron | and wearing a shammy/hunter headpiece from an instance :P despite the Int on it it's really nice |
| 20:51.33 | NightHawkTheSane | might fill in a few slots where you dont have a tank oriented piece. *shrug* |
| 20:51.36 | smcn | NeoTron: if you haven't already look into the tempered saronite stuff |
| 20:51.42 | NightHawkTheSane | all the cobalt tanking stuff is well itemized |
| 20:51.44 | smcn | starts becoming available at 74, last pieces are 76 |
| 20:51.49 | Lunessa | I can make that too. |
| 20:51.51 | NeoTron | I haven't looked at crafted stuff at all |
| 20:52.12 | NeoTron | mainly because i've been dpsing and have had a hgiher level frost DK tank |
| 20:52.20 | smcn | i levelling BS on my dk just for the cobalt stuff because i couldn't find anyone to make it, and now i'm probably not even going to get him to 80 >< |
| 20:52.29 | smcn | spent a week doing that shit :/ |
| 20:53.25 | NeoTron | ooh saronite is real nice |
| 20:54.02 | Lunessa | And apparently the Wrath Gate in Dragonblight is made of the stuff. |
| 20:54.33 | NeoTron | I'm on northrend so might have to check it out :P |
| 20:54.36 | Lunessa | Heh. I'm nuts about crafting, and I'm working up nearly all of the skills. |
| 20:54.46 | NeoTron | ofc I don't have any mats nor skill (my lock is a miner at 72 but I've prospected the gear) |
| 20:54.50 | NeoTron | err the mats |
| 20:54.58 | smcn | NeoTron: horde or alliance? if you're horde look me up as hornswaggle if you need a healer for anything :D |
| 20:55.19 | Lunessa | NeoTron: I'm collecting a crap-ton of ore on my Shaman since I'm close to 80 and ready to craft some of the Epics. |
| 20:55.28 | NeoTron | alliance |
| 20:56.40 | smcn | too bad ;P k back to playing, so much (leveling) to do so little time |
| 20:56.40 | NeoTron | what I like about DK is that I tank with a 2H |
| 20:56.40 | NeoTron | what I don't like is that (especially unholy) is rather chaotic to playu |
| 20:56.48 | NeoTron | frost is controlled in comparision |
| 20:59.51 | Thrae | sudo chown us ./yourbase/ -R |
| 21:00.20 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: You play a shaman main, right? |
| 21:00.22 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Thrae |
| 21:00.22 | purl | burns Thrae to a crisp with a laser |
| 21:00.51 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: Yes. Enhancement spec. And I pwn faces. |
| 21:01.08 | |Jelly| | Why would a shaman Frost Shock in an instance? |
| 21:01.21 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: but do you melt faces in PvP? |
| 21:01.40 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: to snare a fleeing mob so it doesn't pull another gorup, or to try and pull a mob off a healer/squishy |
| 21:01.45 | AckisWork | aww http://i3.ebayimg.com/07/i/001/07/bb/bc40_1.JPG |
| 21:01.58 | Lunessa | PvP is for people who need to inflict pain and stroke their e-peens. :P |
| 21:01.59 | NightHawkTheSane | or, alternately: mis-click and/or shits and giggles. ;) |
| 21:02.00 | |Jelly| | Ok ... on a boss fight. :P |
| 21:02.27 | Lunessa | On a boss fight? No /good/ reason. |
| 21:02.29 | NightHawkTheSane | mis-click or stupidity, then. :P |
| 21:02.38 | NeoTron | AckisWork: man everything is for sale on ebay for sure |
| 21:02.50 | NeoTron | Lunessa: to kite the strider of course! |
| 21:02.55 | Lunessa | On a boss fight you're going to want flame shock and earth shock pretty much exclusively. |
| 21:03.02 | AckisWork | NeoTron: it's a murloc costume for a 12 month old lol |
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| 21:17.05 | |pez| | I liked it. |
| 21:17.32 | |pez| | it'll probably bring me more headaches when doing webdesign... but we're hoping Chrome is better than say... IE ;P |
| 21:17.39 | Gnarfoz | I disliked how it draws its own window decorations :X |
| 21:18.44 | |pez| | hmmm? |
| 21:19.07 | Gnarfoz | it pretends to be on vista, on XP |
| 21:19.18 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. looks totally out of place) |
| 21:19.22 | |pez| | aaah |
| 21:19.30 | |pez| | well, I've got Vista, no problem for meee! XD |
| 21:19.48 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: well, in terms of rendering & standards, it's webkit, so it ought to be have more or less the same as safari |
| 21:19.48 | Kaso | blame vista for that |
| 21:20.25 | |pez| | NightHawkTheSane: Yay for that then, I didn't have Safari to test with before ;P |
| 21:20.53 | Lunessa | |pez|: www.apple.com Safari is available free. |
| 21:20.57 | |pez| | if I concentrate on IE (hopefully 7 and up only ) FireFox, Opera, and Chrome... I should be good. |
| 21:21.15 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: safari is available for windows, free, as Lunessa noted. :P |
| 21:21.17 | wereHamster | |pez|: and safari |
| 21:21.42 | |pez| | wereHamster: but if Chrome and Safari is pretty much the same in terms of rendering... I don't see the point? :D |
| 21:22.14 | Zootfizzle | Safari is better than free - it was more than likely randomly installed for you without you noticing one time when you were updating iTunes, because Apple is helpful like that and, you know, against foisting software on people. |
| 21:22.29 | Lunessa | ~fishnuke |pez| |
| 21:22.41 | wereHamster | though you should test with chrome _and_ safari, since they don't need to render things the same. |
| 21:22.52 | zenzelezz | I detest Apple for how they bundle crap like they do |
| 21:23.08 | Lunessa | Heh. You have a good point Zooty - they do like to makes sure EVERYONE gets it. |
| 21:23.12 | |pez| | I usually get other people to test Safari for me. I get lost when I've got several browsers up and running. |
| 21:23.24 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm not fond of that on windows |
| 21:23.30 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not really a problem on osx, but *shrug* |
| 21:23.57 | Zootfizzle | Anybody remember when MP3 players had a five megabyte footprint? :P |
| 21:24.09 | Lunessa | http://www.apple.com/downloads/ - center of the page. |
| 21:24.26 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 21:24.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Zootfizzle: yeah, it was about the same time that mp3 colletions could be measured in megabytes. ;) |
| 21:24.41 | Lunessa | Remember when RealPlayer didn't hijack WMV and QT files? |
| 21:24.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: .. no... :p |
| 21:24.53 | Gnarfoz | remember RealPlayer? |
| 21:25.06 | zenzelezz | eh, all media players hijack files these days |
| 21:25.06 | haste | remember when.. Buffering (69%) |
| 21:25.19 | ReAn | RealPlayer: Worst thing to happen to computerized video/audio |
| 21:25.19 | Lunessa | Sadly, I do. A school here adopted it as thier standard "podcasting" tool. *faceplam* |
| 21:25.30 | Zootfizzle | My MP3 collection size has remaind static, the percentage of my HDD which it encompasses has merely dropped dramatically ;) |
| 21:25.36 | Zootfizzle | s/remaind/remained/ |
| 21:25.43 | NightHawkTheSane | remember when real media format was relavent? no, neither do i.. |
| 21:25.52 | Lunessa | Zooty needs a trip to Tower Rcords - STAT. |
| 21:26.57 | NightHawkTheSane | my music collection's growth has kinda slowed over the past yearish |
| 21:27.34 | Lunessa | Mine too. It got larger while I was a club DJ, but hasn't grown much since then. |
| 21:28.33 | |pez| | Do you guys find my pipes ( | ) annoying? :\ |
| 21:28.49 | Lunessa | Personally, yes. |
| 21:29.01 | Gnarfoz | this is freenode, you're gonna get bitched at for random stuff like that :P |
| 21:29.03 | wereHamster | yes, your nick does not conform to the regexp Shirik posted yesterday! |
| 21:29.09 | foxlit | They expose an annoying colloquy bug :( |
| 21:29.16 | foxlit | or, hah, they don't |
| 21:29.21 | foxlit | no in your case |
| 21:29.32 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: slightly, yes, typing pipes kinda bothers me :p |
| 21:29.33 | foxlit | Shirik|zZz, however, is pure evil |
| 21:29.47 | |pez| | hrm |
| 21:29.52 | |pez| | pez is taken though. |
| 21:29.54 | foxlit | (attempting to automcomplete after | leads to it interpreting the autocomplete as a nick beginning from |) |
| 21:29.56 | zenzelezz | no-one's forcing you to write the pipes, Nighthawk |
| 21:30.05 | Cide | |pez|: not really, but the time when you had the nickname "Pez" for some weird reason, it looked a lot better |
| 21:30.08 | |pez| | also, I respond just as well with pez |
| 21:30.12 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: but auto-complete doesn't work if i don't. |
| 21:30.17 | Gnarfoz | how hard can it be? shift-\ :P |
| 21:30.24 | |pez| | Cide: it's not mine, but my client renames me to that. |
| 21:30.26 | foxlit | depends on keyboard layout |
| 21:30.32 | Gnarfoz | you don't say |
| 21:30.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: harder than just "pe" :P |
| 21:30.50 | foxlit | Once you get into alt gr-= or something, it can be quite hard :) |
| 21:30.57 | smcn | hm, do you really need autocomplete for a 3 letter name? ;) |
| 21:31.02 | Gnarfoz | luckily, it's not on that key :D |
| 21:31.05 | |pez| | Just say Pez, really. |
| 21:31.12 | wereHamster | Pez |
| 21:31.13 | smcn | pez, really |
| 21:31.15 | |pez| | I don't have any highlights on my nicks anyway |
| 21:31.16 | smcn | :P |
| 21:31.16 | Gnarfoz | smcn: if you want to highlight someone, you're probably always autocompleting |
| 21:31.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 21:31.23 | |pez| | do'h |
| 21:31.30 | Gnarfoz | except for pez, obviously :X |
| 21:31.32 | NightHawkTheSane | plus, its often habit just to use autocomplete when i want to say someone's nick |
| 21:31.42 | Gnarfoz | exactly, NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:31.45 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:31.56 | |pez| | NightHawkTheSane: it's worse when you want to have autocomplete on... normal words. |
| 21:31.59 | Gnarfoz | (yay for less content than name in that msg) |
| 21:32.11 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: why is that worse? and i have that. :P |
| 21:32.12 | smcn | like autocomplete! |
| 21:32.40 | NightHawkTheSane | or pneumoconiosis! |
| 21:32.49 | |pez| | NightHawkTheSane: it's a bad habit. In a way. |
| 21:32.59 | |pez| | One day, you'll just have no idea how to spell anymore. |
| 21:33.05 | Gnarfoz | or planning how to make sure I get the "Doctor" title. :D |
| 21:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: maybe, although i've found that spell checks, and autocompletion have improved my spelling. Though that could just be perception. |
| 21:34.13 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: the problem with that title is that you want a blank name to go with it :( |
| 21:34.25 | NightHawkTheSane | I honestly only use autocomplete for actual words when I have -no- idea how to spell it right, and osx can't find the right suggestions in the context menu |
| 21:34.36 | Lunessa | Spell-check and auto-complete have made me appear as literate as I actually am. |
| 21:35.12 | |pez| | I spell my words myself! ... Which might be why I failed Norwegian. |
| 21:35.21 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: uhm not really? I'd rather pay 8⬠and be "House" or "Who" :P |
| 21:36.01 | Gnarfoz | (I really want first rogue to 80, or even first to 80, but I'd probably need a reliable group for that) |
| 21:36.11 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: You have a long way to go before you can be Dr. House. :P |
| 21:36.27 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: yes, about as long as LK takes to go live. |
| 21:36.50 | NightHawkTheSane | im wondering what my chances are of being the first troll to 80.. >.> |
| 21:36.51 | Lunessa | ;) |
| 21:36.52 | zenzelezz | if I got the "Doctor" title, I'd have to bribe whoever had the name "Phil" on my realm to switch |
| 21:36.54 | Gnarfoz | oh, you tried to make a funneh. :P |
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| 21:37.17 | Pneumatus | "Nick" would be the best doctor name |
| 21:37.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 21:41.12 | Gnarfoz | on US realms, maybe |
| 21:41.37 | Hirsute | So... has anyone managed to get the falling down drunk achievement without using tricks like blinking or ice blocking right before you hit the ground? |
| 21:42.54 | foxlit | cloaks should work |
| 21:42.55 | smcn | well, when july 4th rolls around it'll be pretty easy ;) |
| 21:43.00 | foxlit | alternatively, find yourself a lake |
| 21:43.05 | Gnarfoz | just use water... |
| 21:43.06 | smcn | or if the new years drinks do the same |
| 21:43.10 | Gnarfoz | or be a paladin/mage |
| 21:43.14 | Gnarfoz | druid |
| 21:43.16 | Gnarfoz | whatever :D |
| 21:43.20 | NightHawkTheSane | noggenfogger, imo. |
| 21:43.29 | Hirsute | Didn't work for me falling into water. |
| 21:43.47 | Hirsute | Flew up as high as I could over a lake and dropped. No dice. |
| 21:44.06 | Hirsute | Slow fall didn't work either. |
| 21:44.27 | Hirsute | Haven't tried a parachute cloak. |
| 21:44.40 | Hirsute | Or noggenfogger. I'll have to give that one a shot. |
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| 21:53.43 | Lunessa | I just jumped off a hillside on the Howling Fijord Grizzly Hills border and landed with about 100 health. |
| 21:53.59 | Hirsute | I'll have to try it. |
| 21:54.25 | Hirsute | Does armor reduce falling damage? |
| 21:54.29 | Lunessa | No. |
| 21:54.30 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 21:54.35 | Gnarfoz | nothing does besides immunities |
| 21:54.56 | Gnarfoz | oh, and obviously "Safe Fall" ;p |
| 21:54.57 | Hirsute | Okay, well that will make repair bills cheaper then. I'll strip down before I try it in the future. |
| 21:55.01 | smcn | i remember jumping off something on my DK and ending up with exactly 1 health, unfortunately i didn't record exactly where it was :P think it might have been in the dk starting area |
| 21:55.23 | Gnarfoz | btw: 65y is the required height, 67y is the height at which you die :p |
| 21:55.43 | Lunessa | In the City of Heros game you can fall from any height and not die from the fall, though you can be reduced to 1 health. |
| 21:55.49 | Hirsute | I was able to do the non-drunk version while dead. Haven't managed to do the drunk one, though. |
| 21:55.52 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: levitate will work amiright? |
| 21:56.08 | smcn | Lunessa: yeah you could do the same in daoc iirc, but you had to be full to begin with |
| 21:56.33 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: don't think that's "falling" |
| 21:58.25 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online had fall damage until the Shadowlands expansion. Somehow the expansion had huge problems with terrain, killing people when it shouldn't, so they just disabled it |
| 21:59.02 | torokokill | gogo funcom |
| 21:59.41 | torokokill | age of conan had fall-10-feet-and-die syndrome |
| 22:00.09 | Lunessa | Funcom = misnomer. |
| 22:00.35 | zenzelezz | that's not fair to say Lunessa; Anarchy Online had a lot of fun stuff, and their singleplayer games are pretty cool |
| 22:01.03 | Lunessa | What have they made single-palyer? I am unaware of them, and as such have not played them. |
| 22:01.22 | zenzelezz | The Longest Journey and Dreamfall |
| 22:01.46 | torokokill | dreamfall was a pretty awesome game |
| 22:01.49 | torokokill | is* |
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| 22:08.24 | Lunessa | My experience has only been with their MMO offerings, and it was soured greatly by AoC. |
| 22:25.48 | Sixen | What's the e-mail you use to report a stolen account? |
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| 22:34.02 | p3lim|afk | hm does UnitPowerType have more returns in 3.0? |
| 22:34.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 22:34.45 | smcn | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitPowerType |
| 22:34.47 | Gnarfoz | 3, "ENERGY" |
| 22:35.04 | NightHawkTheSane | or, 6,"RUNIC_POWER" for dks |
| 22:35.04 | smcn | seems to be updated for 3.0 considering it lists rune :P |
| 22:35.24 | smcn | many functions are updated for 3.0 on wowwiki in fact |
| 22:35.29 | smcn | if not all |
| 22:36.25 | Gnarfoz | I seriously doubt "all" |
| 22:36.31 | Gnarfoz | maybe "all that got changed" |
| 22:36.39 | Pneumatus | half the functions arent documented in the first place |
| 22:36.44 | smcn | heh :P |
| 22:36.45 | Gnarfoz | if "all" were the case, half of the stuff that's still listed there would be gone :p |
| 22:37.15 | smcn | i doubt any will be removed, hell there's still the old combat log stuff cluttering up the events pages P |
| 22:42.41 | smcn | i'm obsessed with chrome.. i love being able to have it set to load 3 different pages on start, and still be able to open a new tab and type in a new url immediately |
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| 22:43.33 | Shirik | lua> tonumber("010001", 16) |
| 22:43.33 | lua_bot | Shirik: 65537 |
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| 22:47.51 | Lopeppeppy | I have found an addon to be in love with. A personal goblin therapist! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9780-AGT-AutomaticGoblinTherapist.html |
| 22:48.04 | Lopeppeppy | Being a gnome, I look down on goblins as subhuman, but this one is hilarious. |
| 22:50.13 | Shirik | hehe |
| 22:50.23 | Shirik | that was one of the picks for wowi's rofl contest I believe |
| 22:55.30 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, have you read http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dgb7xtgh_17hhh53gf9 ? |
| 22:55.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that's half of what sold me on it, Shirik. |
| 22:56.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'd edit the phrases for more consistent grammar and English, but yummy |
| 22:57.52 | alestane | Other users fail @ Turing Tests. |
| 22:58.53 | smcn | 01:44[Psychoshamoo]: You are being a bit negative. |
| 22:58.53 | smcn | 01:44[Underdög]: YES I AM BEING DAMN NEGATIVE! |
| 22:58.53 | smcn | 01:45[Psychoshamoo]: Are you Sure? |
| 22:58.58 | smcn | brilliant |
| 22:59.20 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/329/ |
| 22:59.28 | Dashkal | I think I might have to install that one... |
| 23:00.07 | Sixen | You guys hear about the Google browser? |
| 23:00.19 | Lopeppeppy | Sixen, yes. Peppy labels it Failsauce. |
| 23:00.32 | smcn | been obsessing since 11:45 |
| 23:00.58 | Sixen | Why so, peppy? |
| 23:01.27 | alestane | Failsauce for herself, or for supporting at work? |
| 23:01.38 | smcn | Lopeppeppy: OK... "Peppy labels it Failsauce.". Tell me more. |
| 23:01.40 | smcn | ;P |
| 23:02.33 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: You're being a bit negative. |
| 23:02.41 | smcn | haha |
| 23:03.36 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, it's not something I can work with. :) smcn, my decision is based on it not working with specific software at work. |
| 23:03.48 | Lopeppeppy | Besides, the channel needs someone who's not an instant fanboi of Chrome. :P |
| 23:03.55 | smcn | hehe |
| 23:04.05 | Shirik | Can you elaborate on that? |
| 23:04.06 | smcn | yeah i wasn't trying to be fanboish, just failing at teh funny :) |
| 23:04.10 | smcn | rofl |
| 23:04.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not. :p |
| 23:04.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i just don't tend to care about browsers that much |
| 23:04.49 | Sixen | Peppy: Lawl. What Browser do you use right now? |
| 23:05.01 | Lopeppeppy | Sixen: Firefox. |
| 23:05.05 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.34 | Sixen | Mmmm, same. |
| 23:05.37 | smcn | i just like the fact that i can close it without having to wait 5 minutes to go somewhere the next time i open it... although it's been about 99% uptime since i downloaded it ;P |
| 23:05.40 | Sixen | I'm just curious to see a screenshot of the browser. |
| 23:05.46 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, this is an awesome princess peach costume.. http://weblogs.variety.com/the_cut_scene/2008/09/my-favorite-pax.html |
| 23:06.00 | smcn | Sixen: google :) |
| 23:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, the content management system for our website doesn't play well with Safari already, and it behaves the same way with Chrome. No popup access = no workie. |
| 23:06.33 | Hirsute | Well, I think popups actually happen with chrome, they just pop up minimized in the lower corner of the screen. |
| 23:06.44 | smcn | lol, the incognito window really does have that detective guy... creepy |
| 23:06.46 | Sixen | lol @ smcn |
| 23:06.53 | Sixen | I was told there were no ss's out yet? |
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| 23:07.06 | smcn | Sixen: there was yesterday in fact:D |
| 23:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | They happen, sure, but not in a way that the program needs. Don't look at me, I didn't write the CMS application. I just know which browsers don't work with it. :) |
| 23:07.17 | Hirsute | There've got to be, it's been downloadable for hours. |
| 23:07.37 | smcn | http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/007645.html |
| 23:07.46 | Sixen | orly? |
| 23:08.16 | Shirik | rofl |
| 23:08.19 | Shirik | I like the crash mechanism |
| 23:08.26 | smcn | sadtab! |
| 23:08.27 | Shirik | "Aw snap. Something went wrong with this webpage." |
| 23:08.40 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:10.49 | Saiket | Has anyone else had a lot of trouble with their addons causing #132 errors on the beta? |
| 23:10.53 | Saiket | I'm about to lose my mind. |
| 23:11.29 | Shirik | Was I out of my head or was I out of my mind |
| 23:11.30 | smcn | eh, i'm using as few mods as possible, and actually i've been getting less #132 than i do onlive :P |
| 23:11.31 | Syzgyn | Saiket: no errors from addons yet, aside from doing things I know will break it on purpose |
| 23:11.33 | Shirik | How could I have ever been so blind |
| 23:11.41 | Shirik | I was waiting for an indication, and it was hard to find |
| 23:12.00 | smcn | especially this last build, alt-tabbing from fullscreen i haven't crashed once, on live it happens at least twice a day |
| 23:12.26 | Shirik | ok time to change rooms |
| 23:12.27 | Shirik | brb |
| 23:12.28 | Saiket | The worst part is that the only repeatability is the mere presence of my addon. |
| 23:12.35 | smcn | :/ |
| 23:12.37 | Syzgyn | smcn: are you in real fullscreen or maximized windowed mode? |
| 23:12.39 | Saiket | No way to pinpoint what /part/ of it is crashing. :( |
| 23:12.46 | smcn | Syzgyn: real fullscreen |
| 23:12.56 | Syzgyn | you may want to switch if you keep crashing |
| 23:12.57 | smcn | this last build it became insanely smooth alt-tabbing in and out |
| 23:13.16 | smcn | yeah i know that's the problem, i only use true fullscreen if my FPS is lousy |
| 23:13.40 | Syzgyn | I dont see a real difference in my FPS between the two |
| 23:13.59 | Saiket | So true fullscreen is the more stable of the two? |
| 23:14.18 | Syzgyn | I never crash using maximized windowed mode |
| 23:14.25 | smcn | neither do i |
| 23:14.31 | Saiket | Well I'll give it a shot. |
| 23:15.28 | smcn | Syzgyn: fps difference is immediately noticable for me, refresh rate and resolution is exactly the same |
| 23:16.09 | smcn | it's always puzzled me though, on my other computer if i have two wow's open both in windowed it's fine, but on this one they both go to like 10 fps.. and this is the better of the two |
| 23:16.25 | smcn | on live* |
| 23:17.04 | Syzgyn | strange |
| 23:17.17 | smcn | could have to do with lcd vs crt... not much of a hardware wiz :P |
| 23:17.22 | Syzgyn | I'll go check again, see if my FPS differs noticably |
| 23:17.29 | smcn | lcd being the latter in the above |
| 23:18.13 | cbreak | lcd and crt has no difference in potential framerate |
| 23:18.19 | smcn | Syzgyn: well also it's not only a perception thing for me, in raid situations numbers can go from 20 to 35 from windowed to fullscreen |
| 23:18.19 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 23:18.20 | cbreak | well |
| 23:18.35 | smcn | that's what i figured |
| 23:18.38 | cbreak | usually crts are driven at higher refresh rates |
| 23:18.41 | Syzgyn | right, I'm gonna check my FPS in the middle of shatt |
| 23:18.47 | Saiket | Ah well, still crashes. |
| 23:18.48 | Lunessa | *boggle* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336520827&sid=1 |
| 23:18.55 | Saiket | At least I can kind of get it repeatable now. |
| 23:18.58 | cbreak | but windowed vs full screen mode has an influence |
| 23:19.23 | Syzgyn | my FPS went up about 2 going to real fullscreen mode |
| 23:19.30 | smcn | Lunessa: night elf... :P (no offense to present company of course) |
| 23:19.54 | Saiket | Load game, reload UI, /macro, crash. |
| 23:19.55 | Lunessa | Night Elf was less boring 3 years ago than "lolhuman" |
| 23:19.55 | cbreak | if you have real full screen, the operating system does not need to manage windows anymore |
| 23:20.18 | Lunessa | If I was going to re-roll a priest, I'd re-roll lolundead/shadow and just melt faces. |
| 23:20.28 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr/ |
| 23:20.33 | Saiket | Is there some way to make use of crash reports? |
| 23:21.00 | smcn | Lunessa: i heard troll was the new hotness for pvp |
| 23:21.08 | cbreak | you can look at the stack traces |
| 23:21.10 | Lunessa | I'm not into PVP. |
| 23:21.43 | RockSlice | does anyone know of an addon that shows your BeImba score ingame? |
| 23:21.47 | |Jelly| | Lunessa defined pvp perfectly earlier. |
| 23:21.58 | Lunessa | *snicker* |
| 23:22.12 | NightHawkTheSane | agreed :p |
| 23:22.15 | smcn | oh yeah |
| 23:22.25 | Saiket | What part of the stack trace would be useful? |
| 23:22.34 | smcn | [14:01] <Lunessa> PvP is for people who need to inflict pain and stroke their e-peens. :P |
| 23:23.16 | cbreak | PvP is to get gear to slap bosses with. |
| 23:23.30 | smcn | hopefully that's changing |
| 23:23.43 | cbreak | Saiket: it's mostly useful to blizz devs |
| 23:23.57 | cbreak | since you most likely don't have the sources to wow, you can't do much with it |
| 23:24.26 | Saiket | Hmm. I was hoping part of the "Memory Dump" section at the bottom would be a Lua chunk of mine. |
| 23:24.47 | Saiket | No experience with interpreting binary Lua though. |
| 23:24.58 | cbreak | my crash logs don't contain a memory dump |
| 23:24.59 | Syzgyn | Saiket: do you know which addon specifically is doing it? |
| 23:25.09 | cbreak | you sure you can crash the game just with lua? |
| 23:25.16 | Syzgyn | You can in beta easy |
| 23:25.25 | Syzgyn | alot of the new functions crash out with bad parameters |
| 23:25.27 | cbreak | probably a buggy api call |
| 23:25.30 | Saiket | I only know that when one of my addons, _Clean, is enabled, the thing randomly crashes. |
| 23:25.38 | cbreak | the game crashes? |
| 23:26.08 | Syzgyn | Try calling GetAchievementCriteriaInfo(1,1) :D |
| 23:26.08 | Saiket | Yeah, error #132 with all null pointers. |
| 23:26.12 | cbreak | I had a few EXC_BAD_ACCESS in beta, but not addon related I think |
| 23:26.20 | cbreak | npe? blizzard problem. |
| 23:26.42 | Saiket | It seems to happen a lot with combat events, but it also happens when I load the /macro LOD addon in combat. |
| 23:28.53 | Saiket | Hmm. |
| 23:29.02 | Syzgyn | Saiekt: if you know its one addon, the next step is start commenting out entire functions at once, until it becomes stable again |
| 23:29.33 | Saiket | I've tried, but it's so unrepeatable that I can never be sure it's "stable". |
| 23:29.36 | cbreak | or... you post it on the boards and let the blizz devs sort it out :) |
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| 23:36.07 | Saiket | Side effect of full-screen windowed mode: My text editor gets 2fps. :( |
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| 23:40.02 | Kaso | Your text editer has an fps? |
| 23:40.20 | Shirik | I dunno, so far I think chrome is OK |
| 23:40.37 | Shirik | Kaso: I dunno about you, but I like editing my text in 3d |
| 23:40.52 | smcn | 3d text editing is the wave of the future |
| 23:40.59 | Kaso | is it like that bit in hackers when he gets the garbage file? |
| 23:41.16 | smcn | instead of syntax coloring, you have syntax texturing! |
| 23:42.22 | Shirik | oh hell yes |
| 23:42.27 | Shirik | I like my comments to be in marble |
| 23:42.47 | End | chrome is neat, but I'm not inclined to switch to it yet at least |
| 23:42.58 | Saiket | Hahah, I don't know, all of my windows ground to a halt until I killed WoW. |
| 23:43.03 | Shirik | it's very macos'y |
| 23:43.33 | smcn | Saiket: don't mind us, we're just making fun of the situation since we don't have an answer ;) |
| 23:43.36 | Shirik | ehehehe |
| 23:43.40 | Shirik | I made my own sad tab dude |
| 23:46.15 | Shirik | ok wow, already found a bug |
| 23:46.46 | ckknight | ? |
| 23:47.12 | Shirik | it doesn't scroll up via my mousewheel |
| 23:47.14 | Shirik | only down |
| 23:48.45 | ckknight | lame |
| 23:48.57 | End | it works for me |
| 23:49.04 | End | but I've heard of other people having that problem too |
| 23:49.21 | End | but I managed to crash the entire browser once :( |
| 23:51.54 | wereHamster | Shirik: text editing? That's so last century. I edit the matrix directly! |
| 23:52.16 | Sargeras | I wonder if they'll implement something like NoScript for FF |
| 23:52.20 | Sargeras | I love that plugin |
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| 23:53.35 | ckknight | I don't get a hug? |
| 23:53.51 | Sargeras | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:54.19 | ckknight | a stranger's just a friend you haven't met |
| 23:54.24 | Sargeras | but Cairenn, she touched my leg once |
| 23:55.03 | sacarasc | :o |
| 23:55.13 | sacarasc | left, right or middle? |
| 23:55.13 | Duman | o.O |
| 23:55.15 | cbreak | crome is a tool of the evil empire |
| 23:55.22 | cbreak | the daten kraken |
| 23:55.24 | ckknight | Chrome, cbreak |
| 23:55.32 | cbreak | that too :) |
| 23:55.36 | cbreak | spelling is not on my side :/ |
| 23:56.10 | Sargeras | I'll hug Dolby too |
| 23:56.13 | Sargeras | because he's the man |
| 23:56.23 | ckknight | I'm a man |
| 23:56.31 | ckknight | yea, I'm a man |
| 23:56.43 | smcn | hawt |
| 23:56.47 | Sargeras | yes, but you're not THE man |
| 23:57.03 | Squaff | Hi, does anyone know of a place to get real time help for a stuck solo WoW player? |
| 23:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Squaff: wow live or beta? |
| 23:57.24 | Squaff | live |
| 23:57.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Click the red question mark in the bottom-right |
| 23:57.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Right near your latency bar |
| 23:57.47 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a "character stuck" button |
| 23:58.23 | Squaff | but I'm dead lol - I want rescuing |
| 23:58.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Same applies |
| 23:58.40 | Rabbitbunny | corpsewalk? |
| 23:58.45 | Squaff | oh really? |
| 23:58.56 | Kaso | you can use autounstuck when dead yes |
| 23:59.06 | Squaff | I found my corpse, but am in a no win situ |
| 23:59.13 | Kaso | oh? |
| 23:59.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 23:59.18 | Kaso | whats the issue? |
| 23:59.18 | ScytheBlade1 | They don't move you for that crap |
| 23:59.26 | ScytheBlade1 | You get to take the deaths |
| 23:59.53 | Squaff | stuck at the very bottom of Ban'ethil Barrow Den |
