| 00:00.07 | Duman | ok, northrend = unhappy |
| 00:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: it's ever been happy? |
| 00:00.10 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o+b scort *!*n=scott@cpe-67-11-174-209.satx.res.rr.com] by Shirik |
| 00:00.10 | *** kick/#wowuidev [scort!n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (no meow mix here) |
| 00:00.30 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl, I missed those lines entirely |
| 00:00.35 | Duman | ~Shirik++ |
| 00:00.57 | Shirik | /timer1 1 3600 /mode #wowuidev -b %*!*@unaffiliated/dagmar |
| 00:00.58 | Shirik | er |
| 00:00.58 | sixcorners | :( I love that song.. |
| 00:01.04 | bleeter | didt anyone just see the proof of my precvious statement? |
| 00:01.04 | Cide | fail |
| 00:01.05 | Shirik | /timer1 1 3600 /mode #wowuidev -b %*!*@unaffiliated/dagmar |
| 00:01.06 | Shirik | damn it! |
| 00:01.08 | bleeter | I logged in, it crashed again |
| 00:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Double fail |
| 00:01.10 | Cide | you fail |
| 00:01.16 | Tekkub | failail |
| 00:01.22 | Duman | bleeter: ditto |
| 00:01.53 | Cide | Shirik: I could almost see the gears in your brain starting to spin when I said \n is replaced in lua land |
| 00:01.53 | bleeter | Cide hasn't paid me a single gold to take the heat from him, either |
| 00:01.56 | bleeter | TEH BASTUD!!! |
| 00:02.02 | Shirik | Cide: You know me too well :) |
| 00:02.03 | Cide | /bow |
| 00:02.22 | Shirik | Keep thy friends close and thy enemies closer? |
| 00:02.22 | Cide | I'm not sure what xchat would do, tbh |
| 00:02.29 | Cide | something like that |
| 00:02.45 | cbreak | >>> t={2,3} c=5 f=function(c) for _,p in ipairs(t) do if math.fmod(c,p)==0 then return false end end return true end; while c<100 do if f(c) then table.insert(t,c) print(c) end c=c+2 end |
| 00:02.45 | Cide | cbreak: 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97 |
| 00:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: yeah close enough |
| 00:03.10 | cbreak | I should add an early reject. |
| 00:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | (terrible pun there) |
| 00:03.35 | Cide | great |
| 00:03.37 | Shirik | actually Cide, I'm really anxious to try something now that I had never tried on you because I assumed you were immune |
| 00:03.39 | Cide | you found all the primes |
| 00:03.47 | Cide | /clap |
| 00:03.58 | Cide | all the primes below 100* |
| 00:04.11 | JerleMinara | does the bot have buffer overflow? |
| 00:04.18 | Cide | Shirik: haha |
| 00:04.21 | JerleMinara | could get it to disconnect that way~ |
| 00:04.24 | Cide | Shirik: the problem though, is... |
| 00:04.25 | JerleMinara | err |
| 00:04.32 | JerleMinara | does the bot prevent overflow and disconnection from irc |
| 00:04.32 | Cide | JerleMinara: nope |
| 00:04.45 | Cide | buffer overflow would crash lua |
| 00:04.49 | Cide | but not python |
| 00:04.51 | cbreak | not only that, I found them fast :) |
| 00:04.56 | Cide | no you didn't |
| 00:05.00 | Cide | that was very inefficient |
| 00:05.03 | Shirik | And python chops the length of messages |
| 00:05.10 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 00:05.20 | Shirik | cbreak: You tried every odd number up to the number in question |
| 00:05.23 | Shirik | that is VERY inefficient |
| 00:05.26 | Cide | do up to sqrt |
| 00:05.29 | Shirik | right |
| 00:05.34 | Shirik | you only have to go to sqrt(n) |
| 00:05.35 | cbreak | I know, I could do an early reject |
| 00:05.40 | cbreak | but that didn't fit on the line |
| 00:05.43 | Cide | and use % and not modf |
| 00:06.01 | cbreak | there's a diference? |
| 00:06.08 | Cide | function call, no function call |
| 00:06.09 | Shirik | yes actually :) |
| 00:06.18 | Shirik | they also /can/ produce different values |
| 00:06.21 | Cide | table lookup... |
| 00:06.35 | Cide | ya, but not relevant in this case |
| 00:06.44 | Shirik | yes but they're still different :) |
| 00:06.53 | Cide | Shirik: also, it writes to disk the very last thing it does |
| 00:06.58 | cbreak | the table is needed to only try primes |
| 00:07.02 | Shirik | >>> print(math.fmod(-2, 5), -2 % 5) |
| 00:07.03 | Cide | Shirik: -2, 3 |
| 00:07.04 | cbreak | and not every odd number |
| 00:07.16 | Shirik | granted, -2 = 3 (mod 5) but still |
| 00:07.21 | Cide | yep :P |
| 00:07.30 | Cide | so if the \n --> \\n replacement doesn't execute, neither will the write to disk |
| 00:07.49 | Shirik | wait, why wouldn't the write to disk? |
| 00:07.58 | Cide | it happens after the replacement |
| 00:08.10 | Shirik | I'm just wondering what would happen if a \n happened to fall through |
| 00:08.15 | Cide | hmm |
| 00:08.15 | Shirik | (I'll leave it at that for now) |
| 00:08.22 | Cide | ya, I'm not sure |
| 00:08.26 | Cide | depends on how xchat deals with it internally |
| 00:08.56 | Cide | >>> asc('\n') |
| 00:09.01 | Cide | the fuck is it called in lua? |
| 00:09.07 | Shirik | string.byte |
| 00:09.11 | Cide | oh, right |
| 00:09.12 | Shirik | 13, though |
| 00:09.18 | Cide | ok, then I'm doubly protected |
| 00:09.24 | Shirik | oh right |
| 00:09.31 | sixcorners | >>> string.len("Lua\000user") |
| 00:09.31 | Cide | sixcorners: 8 |
| 00:09.43 | Shirik | what exactly did you do to unprintable chars? |
| 00:09.45 | Cide | lua does \n --> \\n, python does \n to \\013 |
| 00:09.48 | Shirik | now that they aren't escaped? |
| 00:09.49 | sixcorners | dang.. it escapes nul after lua outputs them? |
| 00:09.55 | Cide | Shirik: I re-escaped them |
| 00:09.58 | Shirik | ah |
| 00:10.06 | Cide | but before I just printed them natively |
| 00:10.06 | Cide | when they weren't escaped |
| 00:10.07 | Anaral | Cide: Why don't you have your bot on a separate nick? |
| 00:10.13 | Cide | that would require me caring |
| 00:10.23 | Shirik | Ah so I would be able to determine if I got through by it printing \013 instead of \n |
| 00:10.30 | Cide | yes |
| 00:10.36 | Shirik | not very helpful, but still |
| 00:10.49 | Arrowmaster | >>> "\013QUIT" |
| 00:10.49 | Cide | Arrowmaster: "\rQUIT" |
| 00:10.56 | Cide | you fail Shirik |
| 00:10.56 | Arrowmaster | >>> "\011QUIT" |
| 00:10.57 | Cide | Arrowmaster: "\011QUIT" |
| 00:11.03 | Shirik | what, why? :( |
| 00:11.05 | Cide | so do you, Arrowmaster |
| 00:11.10 | Cide | 13 is \r, not \n |
| 00:11.14 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:11.14 | Cide | >>> string.byte("\n") |
| 00:11.14 | Cide | Cide: 10 |
| 00:11.15 | Shirik | I do fail :( |
| 00:11.19 | Arrowmaster | >>> "\010QUIT" |
| 00:11.19 | Cide | Arrowmaster: "\nQUIT" |
| 00:11.22 | Shirik | I thought \r\n was 10 13? |
| 00:11.31 | Shirik | oh well |
| 00:11.32 | Cide | U WRE WROANG |
| 00:11.39 | Cide | anyway |
| 00:11.47 | Shirik | lack of response in PMs! |
| 00:12.03 | Cide | I disabled that |
| 00:12.05 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:12.07 | Cide | not sure why |
| 00:12.22 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: dont worry ckk did the same thing and aceconsole-2.0 had been escaping \n and not \r instead of escaping \r and not \n for the longest time on its :PrinatLiteral() |
| 00:12.35 | Shirik | heh |
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| 00:13.54 | sixcorners | >>> f = string.char; print(f(3+7-10)..f(8)..f(3+7-10)); |
| 00:13.54 | Cide | sixcorners: "\000\008\000" |
| 00:14.00 | sixcorners | :( I give up |
| 00:14.52 | Cide | Shirik: I found a way to get around it |
| 00:14.56 | Cide | but this is interesting |
| 00:14.57 | Sixen | bleeter, you alive? |
| 00:14.59 | Cide | >>> local old = string.gsub; getmetatable("").__index.gsub = function(string, pattern, ...) if pattern == "\n" then return string; end return old(string, pattern, ...) end; return "\nhi" |
| 00:14.59 | Cide | Cide: "\013\010hi" |
| 00:15.02 | Shirik | I think I have one too, I just haven't tried |
| 00:15.05 | Sixen | ?seen bleeter |
| 00:15.09 | Cide | ^ it still escapes as can be seen... but I have no idea where the \013 comes from |
| 00:15.24 | Shirik | on Windows? |
| 00:15.29 | Cide | yes |
| 00:15.35 | Shirik | \n is likely translated into \r\n |
| 00:15.39 | Cide | where? |
| 00:15.44 | Shirik | as you pass it to python |
| 00:15.55 | Cide | maybe |
| 00:15.57 | Arrowmaster | likely |
| 00:15.59 | Shirik | Are you using a popen or other similar fashion? |
| 00:16.03 | Cide | yep |
| 00:16.08 | Shirik | Those are text mode transfers |
| 00:16.12 | Shirik | so the OS should handle that accordingly |
| 00:16.14 | Cide | ah |
| 00:16.23 | Cide | >>> local old = string.gsub; getmetatable("").__index.gsub = function(string, pattern, ...) if pattern == "\n" then return string; end return old(string, pattern, ...) end; return "\nhi" |
| 00:16.23 | Cide | Cide: "\013\010hi" |
| 00:16.27 | Cide | bastard! |
| 00:16.41 | Shirik | Mine was something closer to |
| 00:16.52 | Shirik | (I can't remember off the top of my head; I'd have to play with it) |
| 00:17.15 | Shirik | >>> return setmetatable({}, {__tostring = setmetatable({}, {__tostring = "\nhi"})}) |
| 00:17.15 | Cide | Shirik: { } (#1) |
| 00:17.19 | Shirik | It was longer than that though |
| 00:17.24 | Shirik | oh you have your damn pretty print thing |
| 00:17.28 | Shirik | That's going to jack that up anyway |
| 00:18.12 | Shirik | I assumed you would take the appropriate precautions to localize string.gsub so you don't worry about the sandbox changing it :) |
| 00:18.31 | Shirik | But I guess that was rather unneeded since python takes care of the majority of that work |
| 00:18.57 | Cide | I did for most |
| 00:19.02 | Cide | but not gsub for some reason |
| 00:19.14 | Shirik | for example |
| 00:19.17 | Shirik | >>> print = nil |
| 00:19.17 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 00:19.21 | Shirik | Obviously you took care of that :) |
| 00:19.42 | Shirik | well, maybe not. I'm not entirely sure how your little xchat thing works |
| 00:19.48 | Shirik | Anyway, I think I need food, but not sure where to go |
| 00:19.59 | Shirik | Up for a long night of debugging gdb with gdb >.> |
| 00:20.11 | sixcorners | is there a way to send nonprintable characters over IRC? |
| 00:20.20 | Shirik | you can certainly send them |
| 00:20.28 | Shirik | The client may just toss them out |
| 00:20.46 | sixcorners | when I hold down alt and type a combo, my client switches to different tabs : \ |
| 00:21.03 | Shirik | people get mad at me when I use telnet to talk on IRC |
| 00:21.16 | Shirik | because I use backspace a lot and it transmits the backspace char over IRC |
| 00:21.21 | Shirik | and I guess that looks really ugly |
| 00:21.21 | sixcorners | the IRC protocol is like FTP? |
| 00:21.31 | Shirik | sorta |
| 00:21.35 | Shirik | I guess you could make that statement |
| 00:21.43 | sixcorners | hmm.. didnt know that |
| 00:21.46 | Shirik | batbot: Where should I eat? |
| 00:21.46 | batbot | Shirik, You may rely on it. |
| 00:21.47 | Cide | Shirik: interestingly, there's an interesting vulnerability if you could access a file object |
| 00:22.03 | Shirik | Cide: Unfortunately, you can't :) |
| 00:22.10 | Cide | yep |
| 00:22.14 | Cide | that's why it's interesting! |
| 00:22.27 | Cide | you could just do getmetatable(f).__index.write = ... |
| 00:22.42 | Cide | I didn't bother localizing file objects' methods |
| 00:22.43 | Shirik | furthermore you don't give us newproxy, do you? |
| 00:22.44 | sixcorners | hey Shirik, you were talking about some kind of wow api emulater right? how far did you get? |
| 00:22.47 | Shirik | >>> return newproxy |
| 00:22.47 | Cide | Shirik: function: 00926D68 |
| 00:22.49 | Shirik | oh! |
| 00:23.05 | Shirik | I must have already tried this |
| 00:23.12 | sixcorners | never heard of newproxy.. |
| 00:23.18 | Cide | they don't use the same metatable though |
| 00:23.20 | Shirik | that's because it's not documented :) |
| 00:23.29 | Shirik | yes, Cide, but I'm not talking about the same issue |
| 00:23.31 | Cide | ah |
| 00:23.50 | Shirik | I found an interesting attack vector on batbot a while ago by using the GC's environment which wasn't sandboxed |
| 00:24.20 | Shirik | and the way to get into it would have been something like |
| 00:25.27 | Shirik | >>> t = getmetatable(newproxy(true)).__gc = function() print(string) end |
| 00:25.43 | wereHamster | print(string) ? |
| 00:25.48 | Shirik | >>> t = newproxy(true); getmetatable(t).__gc = function() print(string) end |
| 00:25.48 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 00:25.50 | Shirik | Just a test :) |
| 00:26.13 | Shirik | >>> t = newproxy(true); getmetatable(t).__gc = function() print(string) end t = nil; |
| 00:26.13 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 00:26.23 | Shirik | >>> t = newproxy(true); getmetatable(t).__gc = function() print(string) end t = nil; for x = 1, 5000 do t = {}; end |
| 00:26.23 | Cide | Shirik: { ["sub"] = function: 00989C20, ["trim"] = function: 0098AF30, ["upper"] = function: 00989C60, ["len"] = function: 00989AE0, ["gfind"] = function: 00989A20, ["rep"] = function: 00989BA0, ["find"] = fu... (exceeded 200 characters) |
| 00:26.25 | Shirik | There we go |
| 00:26.34 | Shirik | So instead, you might want something like |
| 00:26.38 | Shirik | >>> t = newproxy(true); getmetatable(t).__gc = function() print(os) end t = nil; for x = 1, 5000 do t = {}; end |
| 00:26.38 | Cide | Shirik: { ["clock"] = function: 00968E08, ["time"] = function: 00969820 } (#1) |
| 00:26.43 | Shirik | Though it was more complicated than this |
| 00:26.59 | Shirik | I actually tracked back up the stack via debug library and found one of his functions to play with |
| 00:27.09 | Shirik | since has been fixed though :( |
| 00:27.35 | Shirik | I think Cide doesn't create a separate environment, but instead just nils entries, right? |
| 00:27.45 | Cide | yes |
| 00:27.57 | Cide | it runs in the same environment |
| 00:28.00 | Shirik | so that wouldn't work in this case unfortunately, without the debug library |
| 00:28.31 | Shirik | So we still haven't answered my question! |
| 00:28.33 | Shirik | Where do I go to eat? |
| 00:28.37 | Cide | max |
| 00:28.42 | cbreak | kitchen. |
| 00:28.49 | Shirik | kitchen is a very bad idea |
| 00:28.53 | Shirik | It is likely that I will not come back alive |
| 00:28.58 | Shirik | max? |
| 00:29.05 | Cide | swedish hamburger restaurant |
| 00:29.05 | cbreak | balcony. |
| 00:30.03 | cbreak | With Colonel Mustard, in the Dining Hall. |
| 00:31.39 | Shirik | you guys are no help >< |
| 00:32.07 | batrick | shirik was raged |
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| 00:32.16 | Shirik | omg yes I was |
| 00:32.21 | batrick | i just read back |
| 00:32.28 | Shirik | I asked batrick a question about this vulnerability when I found it |
| 00:32.37 | Shirik | "What is task" or something like that |
| 00:32.45 | batrick | hehe |
| 00:32.52 | Shirik | and batrick's all like "wtf you aren't supposed to see that" and instantly closed it before I could have fun :( |
| 00:32.59 | Cide | haha |
| 00:34.15 | Shirik | >>> options = {"McDonald's", "Wendy's", "Burger King", "Chick-Fil-A", "Propeller's", "Einstein Bagles"}; return options[math.random(#options)] |
| 00:34.15 | Cide | Shirik: "Burger King" |
| 00:34.18 | Shirik | eew |
| 00:34.19 | Shirik | no |
| 00:34.21 | Shirik | no |
| 00:34.23 | Shirik | >>> options = {"McDonald's", "Wendy's", "Burger King", "Chick-Fil-A", "Propeller's", "Einstein Bagles"}; return options[math.random(#options)] |
| 00:34.23 | Cide | Shirik: "McDonald's" |
| 00:34.31 | Shirik | hm, ok, burger king |
| 00:34.34 | batrick | ugh mcdonalds |
| 00:34.37 | Cide | ok |
| 00:34.45 | Cide | for every option you feel "ew" about |
| 00:34.47 | batrick | i cant count the number of times i got food poisoning there as a kid |
| 00:34.47 | Cide | remove it from the list |
| 00:34.50 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:34.55 | Shirik | I don't really feel eew |
| 00:34.59 | Shirik | just kinda eew |
| 00:35.02 | Shirik | I know! |
| 00:35.03 | Cide | so reomve it |
| 00:35.06 | Cide | remove it too |
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| 00:36.17 | Shirik | >>> options = {["McDonald's"] = 1, ["Wendy's"] = 3, ["Burger King"] = 2, ["Chick-Fil-A"] = 3, ["Propeller's"] = 2, ["Einstein Bagles"] = 2}; local choices = {}; for k,v in pairs(options) do for x = 1, v do table.insert(choices, k) end end; return choices[math.random(#choices)] |
| 00:36.17 | Cide | Shirik: "Burger King" |
| 00:36.23 | Shirik | Weighted choices! |
| 00:36.23 | Shirik | wow |
| 00:36.26 | Shirik | ok fine, Burger King |
| 00:36.30 | Shirik | fate has spoken |
| 00:36.34 | Cide | TWICE |
| 00:36.48 | batrick | good luck shirik |
| 00:36.51 | batrick | i'll see u on ER |
| 00:36.52 | Shirik | batrick, you can't mess with fate |
| 00:36.53 | batrick | lol! |
| 00:37.00 | Shirik | obviously Wendy's is going to be bombe |
| 00:37.01 | Shirik | bombed |
| 00:37.08 | batrick | its all about wendys |
| 00:37.08 | Shirik | and then I'll be like "damn, glad I listened to fate" |
| 00:37.19 | batrick | they were so thoughtful and built one across the street from my ECE building |
| 00:37.34 | Shirik | we have a chick-fil-a in our cafeteria now :) |
| 00:37.37 | Shirik | and a starbucks in our library :) |
| 00:37.39 | batrick | wowow |
| 00:37.41 | batrick | !!!! |
| 00:37.42 | torokokill | Hey umm I've got a quick question. I just came back to wow after a year break and am playing around with the new combatlog. Is there a way to tell a playerspet through the GUID, or do I still have to do a name comparison? |
| 00:37.58 | batrick | we have this epic underground engineering library next to our ECE building |
| 00:38.05 | batrick | unfortuantely it lacks a coffee shop and 24 hours |
| 00:38.09 | Shirik | torokokill, you can, but you're probably better off doing a UnitIsUnit comparison |
| 00:38.12 | cbreak | you can find out if something is a pet |
| 00:38.14 | batrick | if they had both I'd be there most of my day |
| 00:38.21 | Shirik | er, you mean from combat log? |
| 00:38.27 | torokokill | yeah |
| 00:38.51 | torokokill | firing from COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 00:38.54 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitGUID |
| 00:38.58 | Shirik | you would want UnitGUID() |
| 00:39.06 | Shirik | so something like UnitGUID("playerpet") |
| 00:39.08 | Shirik | etc |
| 00:39.10 | Duman | hmm |
| 00:39.11 | torokokill | oh wow |
| 00:39.12 | Shirik | er |
| 00:39.12 | torokokill | thanks |
| 00:39.14 | Shirik | UnitGUID("pet") |
| 00:39.16 | torokokill | missed that |
| 00:39.19 | Shirik | is playerpet even valid? |
| 00:39.36 | Shirik | I don't think so. It should be :/ |
| 00:39.53 | cbreak | if you can do things like raid12pet then playerpet should be valid too |
| 00:39.59 | cbreak | and I think you can |
| 00:40.01 | Shirik | that's why I think that |
| 00:40.06 | Shirik | but I don't think you can |
| 00:40.17 | Shirik | I seem to remember encountering that problem a while ago |
| 00:40.26 | cbreak | I always use "pet" |
| 00:40.30 | torokokill | it's just "pet" |
| 00:40.42 | Shirik | Well I was doing something like allowing a user to input unit ids and finding pets of those entries |
| 00:40.51 | Shirik | so if someone entered "player" then I would build "playerpet" and it would fail |
| 00:41.07 | alestane | and it's raidpet12. |
| 00:41.28 | cbreak | really? |
| 00:41.31 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:41.40 | cbreak | raidpet12 makes no sense :/ |
| 00:41.41 | alestane | partypetN, raidpetN. |
| 00:41.49 | Shirik | That's my point cbreak :D |
| 00:41.59 | Shirik | It's inconsistent with a lot of things. But so is the way it is |
| 00:42.00 | cbreak | unless blizz did something else with pet than with target |
| 00:42.01 | Shirik | Not a big deal, really |
| 00:42.03 | Shirik | just is |
| 00:42.06 | alestane | -"pet" isn't a generizable suffix like -"target" is. |
| 00:42.13 | cbreak | lame. |
| 00:42.35 | cbreak | does raidpet12 at least belong to raid12? |
| 00:42.39 | Shirik | yes :) |
| 00:42.47 | cbreak | that's at least something... |
| 00:43.40 | torokokill | Oh, one more thing. I think PlaySoundFile() always returns a 1, even when the file doesn't exist |
| 00:44.27 | Shirik|AFK | If that's the case, fix wowwiki :) |
| 00:44.36 | torokokill | okie dokie |
| 00:46.10 | Tekkub | new DK voices for taurn laughing is kinda scary... |
| 00:46.40 | Tekkub | afraid to try it with my subwoofer turned up |
| 00:47.07 | Shirik|AFK | actually torokokill |
| 00:47.17 | Shirik|AFK | If that's true, you may want to bring it up on the wow forums, because it may be unintended |
| 00:47.32 | Shirik|AFK | (I can't see any reason to return 1 "just cuz") |
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| 00:48.23 | batrick | it's too bad wow started with 4.0, we coulda never had to deal with C integer returns |
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| 00:54.56 | bleeter | hmmm |
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| 01:04.31 | torokokill | Shirik|AFK: I posted about it on the wow forums and didn't get a reply |
| 01:04.35 | torokokill | shrug |
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| 01:08.31 | bleeter | i scare myself |
| 01:09.44 | Wobin | has anyone used Xen as a dual OS sort of thing? |
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| 01:15.27 | Anaral | If anyone is on Beta, Northrend Alliance side, will you please wave to my husband, Aldreza? He thinks all of you are dead or something. lol |
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| 01:22.24 | Shirik | So I get to the lab here at school |
| 01:22.26 | Shirik | and all of our computers are missing |
| 01:22.32 | Shirik | So I'm hoping IT's replacing them |
| 01:22.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 01:22.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Nice |
| 01:23.01 | Anaral | Eep |
| 01:24.11 | Shirik | Anyone know of a graph off the top of their head that intersects the X axis at 0 and has a vertical asymtote at x = 1? |
| 01:24.20 | Shirik | some kind of logarithmic graph? |
| 01:25.40 | Duman | I think arctan() |
| 01:25.41 | Shirik | Naturally the point at which the asymtote occurs is irrelevant, as x can be scaled accordingly to make it fit. It just needs one and have an intersection at x = 0 |
| 01:26.00 | Shirik | arctan(1) should be 45 deg, no? |
| 01:26.12 | Tekkub | no |
| 01:26.20 | Wobin | I was thinking y = x^3 but there's no asymtope |
| 01:26.31 | Shirik | tan = opp/adj, 1/1 = 1 = tan(x) |
| 01:26.40 | Shirik | when opposite = adjacent you have a 45-45-90 triangle |
| 01:26.45 | Duman | maybe arcsec() or something |
| 01:27.10 | Shirik | however, you raise a good point. I think tan() might work |
| 01:27.10 | Duman | hmm maybe not |
| 01:27.22 | Cairenn|afk | Anaral: did he chuckle? |
| 01:27.33 | Duman | one of the trig functs will do what oyu're asking |
| 01:27.36 | Shirik | tan(pi/2) being +/- inf |
| 01:27.36 | Anaral | Yeah, hehe |
| 01:27.39 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 01:27.41 | Anaral | Thanks |
| 01:27.41 | Shirik | and tan(0) being 0 |
| 01:28.10 | Shirik | so if we do tan(pi/2 * x) we would get what we want, thanks :) |
| 01:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/images/ss229.jpg |
| 01:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:29.09 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:29.19 | Shirik | "lol r u stupid how can u heal without HT" |
| 01:29.23 | Shirik | I miss that comic |
| 01:29.24 | Shirik | where is it |
| 01:29.47 | Shirik | Whee http://nigiri.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/fullnd9.jpg |
| 01:31.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That comic is indeed amazing |
| 01:31.43 | Wobin | it's true |
| 01:31.46 | Wobin | HT is terrible |
| 01:31.53 | Wobin | I only cast it ooc =P |
| 01:32.03 | Shirik | I don't even cast it |
| 01:32.06 | Shirik | And I'm a feral druid |
| 01:32.31 | Wobin | most of the time I run around in a panic throwing lifebloom everywhere |
| 01:32.45 | Wobin | then pop back into boomkin and moonfire that ho |
| 01:33.08 | Ackis | have gems been reset on US servers? |
| 01:33.25 | Shirik | reset? |
| 01:33.32 | Ackis | consortium gems |
| 01:33.35 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:33.40 | Shirik | dunno haven't checked :) |
| 01:33.44 | Shirik | sorry |
| 01:33.51 | Ackis | I can't remember if I did them last month |
| 01:35.50 | Shirik | AHA! |
| 01:35.54 | Shirik | I finally found my problem... I think |
| 01:36.03 | Shirik | gdb fails to listen to $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 01:36.05 | Ackis | erectile disfucntion? |
| 01:36.08 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:37.07 | steev | why the hell can't it ever remember to show the minimap in battlegrounds and NOT show it when not no matter how many times i tell it to show only in battlegrounds |
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| 01:37.41 | WobWork | if you haven't bought Portal go do it now |
| 01:37.51 | WobWork | $10! |
| 01:37.54 | Shirik | omg! |
| 01:37.57 | Shirik | so cheap |
| 01:38.11 | Shirik | Almost tempting enough to buy it again just because it's that cheap |
| 01:38.17 | WobWork | I know right? |
| 01:38.25 | WobWork | steev: ps Steam |
| 01:38.37 | WobWork | no need for that needless running! |
| 01:38.48 | steev | how else will i get my exercise :( |
| 01:38.56 | Cide | good point |
| 01:38.59 | Cide | let us sue steam |
| 01:39.13 | Shirik | Yeah |
| 01:39.15 | WobWork | well, since you can't buy it from the shop... you could run there and run back and buy it from steam |
| 01:39.34 | Shirik | Steam made me weak and have no girlfriend |
| 01:39.37 | Shirik | sue for $1 million |
| 01:40.26 | WobWork | That's what your mother said, Trebek! |
| 01:40.50 | Cide | my wife got shot and now I don't remember anything |
| 01:41.05 | Cide | thanks steam. |
| 01:45.06 | WobWork | Well |
| 01:45.13 | WobWork | that's what happens when your brain gets damaged =P |
| 01:45.40 | Cide | who are you? |
| 01:45.41 | steev | hrm |
| 01:45.54 | steev | we jumped 10 spots just because i got credit for the glaive in wowjutsu |
| 01:46.23 | Shirik | hi Cide, I know you don't remember me, but you used to think I was amazing and were going to give me ten thousand dollars for helping you on this huge project which made you rich |
| 01:46.47 | Cide | it says on this photo right here that you fail |
| 01:47.38 | Shirik | see we had this inside joke actually, we used to say each other failed, because we were so awesome that we didn't want everyone else to get jealous |
| 01:47.54 | Shirik | so we hid it |
| 01:48.07 | Cide | wait, where am I? |
| 01:51.35 | WobWork | Over there |
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| 01:57.07 | Sixen | ~seen bleeter |
| 01:57.31 | purl | bleeter is currently on #wowhead #norganna #wowuidev #wowwiki. Has said a total of 47 messages. Is idling for 49m, last said: 'i scare myself'. |
| 01:58.03 | Cide | s/scare/touch/ |
| 01:58.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 01:58.08 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 02:03.38 | bleeter | Sixen: it's all lies |
| 02:04.33 | Sixen | Bleety |
| 02:04.40 | bleeter | no |
| 02:04.56 | bleeter | or yes.. depending on what the question is |
| 02:05.10 | bleeter | as it's not Tuesday, maybe is not a valid reply |
| 02:05.10 | Sixen | Check your msgs, =p. |
| 02:06.47 | Shirik | Is there some kind of GNU channel here? A place to ask a question about gdb? |
| 02:08.11 | Wobin | well there's #gnu |
| 02:08.20 | Wobin | don't know how well trafficked it is |
| 02:08.38 | Cide | that can't be right |
| 02:08.41 | bleeter | Shirik: you could try irc.oftc.net, #gcc is over there |
| 02:08.48 | bleeter | they might have a gdb |
| 02:08.51 | Cide | a channel name THAT obvious wouldn't exist! |
| 02:09.06 | Cide | Shirik: has SURELY checked that already :P |
| 02:09.07 | Shirik | I'm not really sure they're the right people to ask anyway, since this is a special build of gdb :/ |
| 02:09.10 | Shirik | ~kill Cide |
| 02:09.14 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged fluxproton gun at Cide |
| 02:09.25 | Cide | these protons do me no harm |
| 02:09.26 | Shirik | I thought you forgot everything Cide |
| 02:09.34 | Cide | ya, but I have my photos |
| 02:09.39 | bleeter | oh |
| 02:09.57 | bleeter | hmmm, http://sourceware.org/gdb/ says #gdb here |
| 02:10.38 | Shirik | wow |
| 02:10.40 | Shirik | I really fail :/ |
| 02:10.48 | Cide | like I said |
| 02:10.51 | Shirik | though it's really empty |
| 02:12.25 | ScytheBlade1 | This app to my guild is classy |
| 02:12.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "How about you gquit life too? I'll toss you some razor blades, and you can have some fun in the corner" |
| 02:14.26 | Wobin | this is an app to -join- your guild? |
| 02:15.47 | ScytheBlade1 | correct |
| 02:20.02 | Wobin | who are they talking to? |
| 02:20.14 | Wobin | it sounds like they've been rejected already =P |
| 02:20.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Another app actually |
| 02:33.14 | End | oops |
| 02:33.18 | End | just fell through the world |
| 02:33.29 | End | guess that's what the beta is for :P |
| 02:34.31 | End | ... |
| 02:34.33 | End | what the crap |
| 02:34.42 | End | I guess I fell all the way under lake wintergrasp |
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| 02:35.09 | End | looks like I'll have to spirit rez :-/ |
| 02:35.12 | Wobin | reminds me of AoC |
| 02:35.30 | Wobin | There was a point where memory leakage was so bad |
| 02:35.34 | Wobin | you lost all clipping |
| 02:35.45 | End | wow |
| 02:35.46 | Wobin | so you tended to walk through slopes |
| 02:35.51 | End | that's pretty bad |
| 02:35.54 | Wobin | yeah |
| 02:35.59 | Corrodias | sounds awesome |
| 02:36.02 | Wobin | s'why I stopped playing |
| 02:36.16 | Wobin | you'd have to restart the game every hour or so |
| 02:36.29 | Wobin | if you didn't have 4gigs of ram =P |
| 02:36.35 | End | this is just a hole in one of fallen necrocitadel things |
| 02:39.12 | End | great |
| 02:39.16 | End | now I can't find the spot again |
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| 02:39.56 | Ycarene | What are the policies about thread necromancy on the WoW forums? |
| 02:40.04 | End | they don't like it |
| 02:40.11 | End | exact policy, I don't know |
| 02:40.28 | Corrodias | i think it's, like, if the thread is a day old, start a new one |
| 02:40.34 | End | ah, found it! |
| 02:40.40 | Corrodias | better yet, just start a new one without looking for old ones. they don't seem to mind that. |
| 02:41.20 | Wobin | Consider the Rule of Equivalent Trade |
| 02:41.48 | Wobin | and don't try to bring back your mother |
| 02:42.04 | End | Wobin: no, that's alchemy |
| 02:42.19 | Corrodias | huh |
| 02:42.19 | Wobin | Not using alchemy? |
| 02:42.22 | Wobin | bah |
| 02:42.30 | Wobin | Well, magic does'nt work too well either |
| 02:42.33 | End | Corrodias: full metal alchemist |
| 02:42.39 | Wobin | as Dawn Summers can agree to |
| 02:42.48 | Ycarene | I get flamed for starting new threads when an thread exists for that topic already though. |
| 02:42.56 | Corrodias | yeah, sounded familiar |
| 02:43.13 | Corrodias | maybe you should raise an old thread AND start a new one |
| 02:44.35 | Wobin | Sorry, that's actually "The Law of Equivalent Exchange" |
| 02:45.01 | Corrodias | ...for every time someone else bumps a thread, you should also bump it? |
| 02:45.35 | Wobin | That appears to be a common happening on the forums |
| 02:46.11 | Wobin | although I guess in this case, it's more For every thread you resurrect, expect a proportional amount of flaming |
| 02:46.43 | Shirik | You know, when PEG really goes mainstream, I'll be so happy. I know in 3 days I will no longer know what file:match("([^/]+)%.[^%./]-$"); actually does... |
| 02:47.34 | Wobin | ~peg |
| 02:47.43 | End | parsing expression grammar? |
| 02:47.49 | Shirik | parsing expression grammars. I saw a presentation about LPEG at the Lua conference |
| 02:47.53 | Shirik | it was... pretty amazing |
| 02:48.39 | Shirik | Not only does it take the O(n^2) worst case of regular expressions down to O(n), but it also makes reading regular expressions as "easy" as reading BNF |
| 02:49.10 | Ycarene | I don't see a policy against thread necromancy, but I *DO see a rule recommending using the search function rather than start a new topic on something that has already been posted about. |
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| 02:51.48 | WobWork | btw shirik: http://yapc.tv/2008/ye/lt/lt2-09-pmichaud-haz-a-compiler/ |
| 02:52.33 | Shirik | uh |
| 02:52.37 | Shirik | I'll watch that in 5 minutes or so :) |
| 02:52.44 | Shirik | Every time it buffers to 100%, I get half a second of play |
| 02:53.17 | WobWork | yeah, pull the slider back after it loads about a minute |
| 02:53.26 | WobWork | and then it'll stream |
| 02:55.38 | Corrodias | i like how he pronounces el-oh-el-code |
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| 02:58.29 | WobWork | technically that's how it's pronounced |
| 02:58.40 | WobWork | not that I've ever said it that way |
| 02:59.04 | WobWork | I find it kinda weird actually |
| 02:59.12 | WobWork | 'lol' has ceased to be an acronym to me |
| 02:59.17 | WobWork | and is a word all to itself |
| 02:59.32 | Corrodias | who doesn't say "lawl", lol |
| 02:59.45 | Xinhuan | my guild pronounces "lol" as a real word now on vent ;p |
| 03:00.02 | WobWork | exactly |
| 03:00.08 | WobWork | and 'roffle' |
| 03:00.17 | Xinhuan | it'll be 2 years before roffle becomes a mainstream word |
| 03:01.39 | Duman | sigh |
| 03:01.56 | Duman | roflcopter! |
| 03:02.01 | Duman | lolerskates! |
| 03:02.27 | Duman | xinhuan: you been doing any recent updates to gathermate for WotLK? |
| 03:02.41 | Xinhuan | not really |
| 03:02.47 | Xinhuan | i merely verified it works |
| 03:02.55 | Duman | all the herb nodes I discover show up as felweed on the map ;) |
| 03:02.57 | Xinhuan | and updated code to workaround the new EPL dk zone |
| 03:02.59 | Duman | or rather, use the felweed icon |
| 03:03.02 | Duman | ahh |
| 03:03.08 | Xinhuan | but didn't add new stuff |
| 03:03.11 | Duman | *nod* |
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| 03:04.49 | Tem | test? |
| 03:05.01 | Xinhuan | pass |
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| 03:05.12 | Wobin | ~fail tem |
| 03:05.17 | purl | tem, you Fail! |
| 03:05.21 | Tem | are the beta servers in lousy shape or is my intertubes failing? |
| 03:05.31 | Tekkub | mrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 03:05.38 | Tekkub | WTB [Motivation] PST |
| 03:05.39 | Wobin | I'd say the former =P |
| 03:05.45 | Tem | oh? |
| 03:05.54 | Tem | I was guessing that my intertubes were in lousy shape |
| 03:06.04 | Wobin | oh that might be likely too |
| 03:06.19 | Tem | all communications networks tend to go to hell with hurricanes nearing |
| 03:06.30 | Wobin | hm |
| 03:06.38 | Wobin | All of our tourists are out of NO |
| 03:06.41 | Wobin | except one |
| 03:06.46 | Wobin | who wants to sit out the storm |
| 03:06.52 | Wobin | ...wtf people? |
| 03:06.54 | Tem | I'm sitting it out |
| 03:07.45 | Tekkub | I'd sit out in the storm |
| 03:07.57 | Tekkub | it's not rained here in like 2 weeks /sadpanda |
| 03:08.14 | Wobin | But surely, as a tourist |
| 03:08.23 | Wobin | in a location where there's supposed to be 100% evac |
| 03:08.32 | Wobin | and thus... everything will be shut |
| 03:08.44 | Wobin | There will be no support |
| 03:08.46 | Tekkub | no clue... not like I watch the news or any of that crap |
| 03:09.03 | Wobin | -why- would you want to stay in NO? |
| 03:09.13 | Shirik | NO? |
| 03:09.17 | Wobin | new orleans |
| 03:09.18 | Cide | new orleans |
| 03:09.19 | Shirik | ah |
| 03:09.23 | Cide | and I'm a swede |
| 03:09.28 | Wobin | aside from the pillaging I guess |
| 03:09.52 | Shirik | is that hurricane still coming for us on tuesday? |
| 03:09.57 | Shirik | man, that would be sweet, 4 day weekend |
| 03:09.59 | Tekkub | nude orgies? |
| 03:10.04 | Wobin | with who? |
| 03:10.15 | Tekkub | does it matter? |
| 03:10.18 | Shirik | wtf it went towards texas! |
| 03:10.21 | Tem | Shirik, I haven't gotten a weekend at all |
| 03:10.22 | Shirik | It's supposed to come to florida! |
| 03:10.23 | Tem | so fuck off |
| 03:10.31 | Tekkub | weekend? |
| 03:10.39 | Tekkub | time just kinda blends together for me |
| 03:11.13 | Tekkub | it's either heat season or snow season, the rest is minor details |
| 03:11.53 | Shirik | ohhhh |
| 03:11.56 | Shirik | Hanna's the one coming for Florida |
| 03:12.04 | Tekkub | no |
| 03:12.08 | Shirik | damn, looking like thursday-friday :( |
| 03:12.10 | Tekkub | Hanna's Montana |
| 03:12.21 | Shirik | ~lart Tekkub |
| 03:12.21 | purl | stabs Tekkub |
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| 03:22.32 | Wobin | Hanna's Barbera |
| 03:22.49 | Tem | Wobin, for the record, NO isn't 100% evacuated |
| 03:23.00 | Tem | most things will be closed, though |
| 03:23.11 | Wobin | oh okay |
| 03:23.12 | Tem | so yes, as a tourist, staying in NO would be stupid |
| 03:23.19 | Wobin | yeah, that's more my thought |
| 03:23.26 | Wobin | nothing touristy is going to stay open |
| 03:23.39 | Wobin | and she's just forcing the support crew that's remaining to support her |
| 03:24.11 | Wobin | when she's fully capable of leaving =P |
| 03:25.56 | Tem | yeah that's just dumb |
| 03:26.13 | Tem | though, all the NO residents I know have evacuated |
| 03:26.20 | Tem | most went north to jackson |
| 03:26.43 | ccox | Tem - and I know that the national guard is in town (including my little bro) |
| 03:27.04 | Wobin | Tell him to find that woman and smack her up the back of the head =) |
| 03:27.09 | Tem | they're mostly there-- from what I understand-- to protect closed businesses |
| 03:27.21 | Tem | to prevent the wide-spread looting that took place after katrina |
| 03:27.25 | Wobin | gun sales are up apparently |
| 03:29.43 | Sargeras | rawr? |
| 03:29.59 | Cairenn | that an invitation Sargeras? |
| 03:30.48 | Wobin | wouldn't that be "rawr please?" then? |
| 03:30.52 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 03:34.37 | Antiarc | Okay, this is a little odd |
| 03:34.43 | Antiarc | There's a rogue named Lopeppeppy on my server |
| 03:34.47 | Antiarc | And says they're not the same Lopeppeppy from here |
| 03:34.54 | Antiarc | Is that name from some other place that I don't recognize? |
| 03:35.21 | Wobin | no? |
| 03:35.31 | Wobin | Lopepeppy is pretty uniique =P |
| 03:35.48 | Antiarc | Yeah, that's what I thought |
| 03:36.02 | Antiarc | Which is why I was wondering if it were from some obscure piece of fiction or something |
| 03:37.10 | Wobin | hehe google on the name generally brings up our peppy |
| 03:37.22 | Antiarc | 20:31 Lopeppeppy: Level 70 Gnome Rogue <Awakening> - Shattrath City |
| 03:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Antistalker! |
| 03:39.23 | Antiarc | 20:31 General Adrine: Lopeppeppy, are you the same Lopeppeppy from #wowuidev? |
| 03:39.24 | Antiarc | 20:32 General Lopeppeppy: nope, not the same, Adrine |
| 03:39.29 | Antiarc | So yeah |
| 03:39.32 | Antiarc | Consider me boggled |
| 03:39.36 | Antiarc | They have to be an xfer, too |
| 03:39.40 | Antiarc | I've never seen them before |
| 03:39.44 | Antiarc | And I've been on the server since launch |
| 03:39.46 | ScytheBlade1 | MVPs (aka "green text") are seen and known and listed |
| 03:39.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't surprise me that someone else has taken the name |
| 03:40.08 | Antiarc | Yeah, perhaps so |
| 03:40.18 | Antiarc | http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Lopeppeppy&searchType=all |
| 03:40.19 | Antiarc | heh |
| 03:40.40 | Wobin | hehe |
| 03:40.41 | Wobin | one undead |
| 03:40.43 | Wobin | and one tauren |
| 03:40.46 | Wobin | the rest gnomes |
| 03:40.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep in mind she has said that she randomed for the name |
| 03:41.07 | Wobin | well that covers that theory |
| 03:41.11 | Wobin | if it's a gnome random |
| 03:41.29 | Wobin | which one is our peppy? |
| 03:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | The one on AD |
| 03:44.07 | batrick | !lua debug.shareupvalue |
| 03:44.08 | batbot | batrick: > function: 0x8143830 |
| 03:44.47 | Antiarc | What's wrong with Council specifically, other than it's a longass fight? |
| 03:45.54 | Tem | standing in aoe is a good thing |
| 03:45.56 | Tem | y/n |
| 03:46.21 | smcn | that's why we have flippy! |
| 03:46.46 | Duman | yay for traffic shaping |
| 03:48.22 | Sixen | Peppy randomed her name..? |
| 03:48.47 | Antiarc | I always read it as "Lorepeppy" |
| 03:49.26 | Sixen | heh |
| 03:49.39 | JerleMinara | council is afktime for me |
| 03:49.42 | JerleMinara | just afk spamming ch |
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| 03:51.12 | bleeter | I always read it as 'Le Poopy' |
| 03:51.22 | Cairenn | it's Lope Peppy |
| 03:51.34 | bleeter | dunno whether that says more about me or lope tho |
| 03:51.48 | Tekkub | floppy puppy? |
| 03:52.51 | bleeter | Cairenn: btw, someone's haxored your beta. your toon was logged in a little while ago. |
| 03:52.58 | bleeter | ;) :P |
| 03:53.01 | Cairenn | bleeter: *grin* |
| 03:53.26 | Duman | whoreld server |
| 03:53.28 | bleeter | hhmm word server down. must mean... COFFEE |
| 03:53.31 | Duman | anger |
| 03:55.34 | Duman | I think that's from the Error messages |
| 03:55.39 | Duman | (taht I've suppressed) |
| 03:55.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: she did indeed random her name |
| 03:55.47 | bleeter | yeah, normally it's centered though. that one, isn't. |
| 03:55.58 | bleeter | odd that the formatting isn't centred by default |
| 03:56.25 | Duman | wait, what about peppy? |
| 03:56.37 | bleeter | oh, no ingame.. taling about at char select, heck even login failure messages are centred. world server down, though... |
| 03:56.40 | Sixen | Odd. |
| 03:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: her name from the name generator, and likewise there are many peppeys over all of the WoW servers |
| 03:56.56 | Duman | hah, wow |
| 03:57.01 | Duman | never knew that :) |
| 03:57.09 | bleeter | many poopies |
| 03:57.30 | Duman | hello, rollback |
| 03:57.31 | Duman | haha |
| 03:57.36 | Duman | I'm like across the zone |
| 03:57.38 | Duman | sigh |
| 03:57.54 | Duman | and pvp flagged |
| 03:57.56 | Duman | wtf |
| 03:58.01 | Duman | that was like 20 min ago |
| 03:58.31 | ScytheBlade1 | 20m of crashing? Fun times! |
| 03:59.56 | Duman | I dunno, the checkpoints seem to be on quest turnin or zoning |
| 04:00.04 | Duman | or other notable events |
| 04:00.13 | Duman | maybe if I do inventory stuff (selling) |
| 04:00.51 | smcn | i've gone and completed a quest, then on the way back to turn in the world server crashes and i end up next to the quest giver with the quest still completed :P |
| 04:04.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Interesting spell: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=50 |
| 04:05.47 | Corrodias | that's a new death knight spell, hah |
| 04:06.46 | Shirik | awesome spell |
| 04:08.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@86-60-157-18-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 04:10.05 | Ackis | Tekkub: how does tourguide interface with tomtom? |
| 04:11.14 | Corrodias | through the magic of music |
| 04:11.27 | Corrodias | nanananananananaNAnananaNANAnana |
| 04:14.18 | Shirik | ~kill Corrodias |
| 04:14.19 | purl | ACTION shoots a ionized electron gun at Corrodias |
| 04:14.31 | Shirik | Ackis: I believe tomtom has an API |
| 04:14.49 | Shirik | or maybe that was lightheaded |
| 04:15.36 | Ackis | it's odd that questhelper gives me the idiot arrow, yet tourguide doesn't... but then tourguide doesn't look like it's putting stuff on the world map either |
| 04:17.35 | *** join/#wowuidev quoin (n=quoin@122-49-163-157.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 04:21.15 | Corrodias | i think my monitor's blue gun is fading away |
| 04:23.13 | Wobin | Ackis: have you selected the appropriate options in TG? |
| 04:23.15 | Wobin | cause it works for me |
| 04:24.54 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (n=smcn@c-67-160-186-84.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 04:26.08 | bleeter | oO Memory Never Released error from Wrath... no debugger foo popped up... hmm |
| 04:26.18 | bleeter | leak! |
| 04:28.59 | steev | http://steev.net/files/screenshots/WoW/errors/WoWScrnShot_083108_231513.jpg |
| 04:29.30 | steev | okay so - i get about 6 errors in a row |
| 04:29.40 | steev | or in this case, 16 of em |
| 04:30.15 | bleeter | mm chewy http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336798236&postId=93357198127&sid=2000#0 |
| 04:30.27 | steev | can anyone help me decipher what thats saying aside from memory allocation error - to try to figure out what is causing it, and what to punt |
| 04:31.02 | Ackis | Wobin: yes I did, I had QH and TG running at the same time which may have caused issues |
| 04:31.13 | steev | this happened in heroic arc, so it wasn't too bad, but it would be nice to get rid of it, in case it happened someplace worse, like i've had it happen in kara and in gruuls |
| 04:35.24 | steev | i end up having to hit the reset button on my computer as well, since even alt+f4 doesn't close the game |
| 04:35.40 | Corrodias | what about control+alt+delete? what about running in a window? |
| 04:35.51 | Corrodias | what about telling it yes, continue running the program, or no, do not continue? |
| 04:36.08 | Corrodias | or maybe i'm looking at the wrong screenshot |
| 04:36.27 | steev | um |
| 04:36.31 | Corrodias | does the game freeze when that happens, steev? |
| 04:36.36 | steev | no it doesn't freeze |
| 04:36.44 | steev | i can click on anything that isn't a macro |
| 04:37.03 | Corrodias | what's stopping you from closing it normally via the escape menu? |
| 04:37.12 | steev | hitting escape doesn't bring up the menu |
| 04:37.33 | Corrodias | okay. alt+tab, control+shift+escape, alt+spacebar, control+alt+delete, any of those have any effect? |
| 04:37.38 | steev | nope |
| 04:37.54 | steev | well no wait |
| 04:37.56 | Duman | whoa |
| 04:37.59 | steev | i can alt tab out |
| 04:38.00 | Duman | ERROR #0 |
| 04:38.04 | Duman | Assertion failure |
| 04:38.09 | steev | but |
| 04:38.12 | Duman | WorldScene.cpp |
| 04:38.15 | Corrodias | okay, you can probably kill it with task manager after it minimizes |
| 04:38.18 | steev | once i hit alt+f4 to close it |
| 04:38.45 | Corrodias | it's true that that's hardly a solution; it's just something you can do instead of resetting the computer |
| 04:38.46 | steev | the game doesn't close completely or something - like i can continue to hit ctrl to talk on vent |
| 04:39.01 | Corrodias | but... ventrilo is an external program... |
| 04:39.03 | steev | but the game stays on the screen, along with wow's mouse |
| 04:39.33 | steev | the biggest issue is, i can't *reliably* reproduce it - however its only happened since i added the line to cowtip |
| 04:39.52 | steev | (note: it could be entirely coincidental - i am not blaming cowtip) |
| 04:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Why in the heck is my desktop now using the link local address to find my router.. |
| 04:40.27 | Corrodias | "local address"? desktop finding your router? what? |
| 04:40.29 | steev | Corrodias: http://steev.net/files/screenshots/WoW/errors/WoWScrnShot_082308_091640.jpg thats all my lines for cowtip's text - the bottom line is the one im talking about |
| 04:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | All IPv6 interfaces have a "link local" address and a "global" address |
| 04:40.57 | Corrodias | unfortunately, i know nothing about cowtip. try taking the line out for a while and seeing if the problem stops |
| 04:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | link local addresses only work on the LAN, can't be routed |
| 04:41.06 | *** join/#wowuidev WobWork (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 04:41.10 | steev | Corrodias: yeah - thats what i am going to do |
| 04:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | For whatever reason my desktop is trying to use the non-routable address to route data... |
| 04:41.19 | steev | i've been talking with ellipsis about it since its started |
| 04:41.25 | Corrodias | what's the point of a non-routable address? |
| 04:41.26 | steev | but he's not around currently it would seem |
| 04:41.53 | steev | whats a good addon to use the stopwatch or whatever in game? |
| 04:41.56 | ScytheBlade1 | LAN communication |
| 04:42.10 | ScytheBlade1 | You know that anything you can see over the link local addresses is within your immediate vicinity |
| 04:42.44 | Corrodias | akin to a local subnet of different addresses than the WAN ip? 192.168.*.* for example? |
| 04:42.58 | Corrodias | sorry: different from, not different than |
| 04:42.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Similar yeah |
| 04:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Essentially every IPv6 interface has at least two subnets attached to it |
| 04:43.21 | Corrodias | so why doesn't that address work if your computer is on the LAN? |
| 04:43.28 | *** join/#wowuidev kaugummi (n=kaugummi@2002:5091:d95e:55f:20d:93ff:fe87:d832) |
| 04:43.30 | ScytheBlade1 | One which is forced to be local routable only, and another which can be globally routed |
| 04:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I'm routing public IPs |
| 04:43.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Not using NAT to make it work |
| 04:44.33 | Corrodias | ah. well, i obviously don't know anything about ipv6. maybe i should bother to learn something before asking stupid questions. |
| 04:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 04:44.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Think of it this way |
| 04:45.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You have two subnets on every NIC |
| 04:45.18 | ScytheBlade1 | One which is intended for internet communication is routable everywhere |
| 04:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | The other is local only |
| 04:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | IPv4, you commonly only have one subnet - local routable only |
| 04:45.46 | ScytheBlade1 | And the router re-writes the packts going out to the internet to make that work |
| 04:45.50 | Corrodias | okay |
| 04:46.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You *could* do the same with IPv6 but it's almost stupid to do so |
| 04:46.40 | Arrowmaster | the router rewrites the layer2 part of the packet but keeps the layer3 part |
| 04:46.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Seeing as it gives every person on the planet for the next billion billion years a new set of several billion billion billion IPs every second |
| 04:47.26 | WobWork | that's a lot of billions |
| 04:47.40 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2^128 |
| 04:47.40 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 3.4028236692094e+38 |
| 04:47.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah something like that |
| 04:53.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It's an absurd amount of billions |
| 04:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/IPv6.ars/2 |
| 04:53.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Second paragraph, "To put this into perspective:" |
| 04:57.08 | Shirik | ! |
| 04:57.14 | Shirik | A-Bit closed? |
| 04:57.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik, a question for you |
| 04:57.51 | Shirik | this should be good |
| 04:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | What in the crap would case my computer to hate my global IPv6 address/routes? |
| 04:58.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I went as far as removing my link local address |
| 04:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | "src ::1" then pops up in the route |
| 04:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I hard-code the source into the routing table |
| 04:58.26 | Corrodias | i don't know much about ipv6 compatibility |
| 04:58.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Still ::1 |
| 04:58.29 | Shirik | ::1 is localhost |
| 04:58.29 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 04:58.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I KNOW |
| 04:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | IT'S DRIVING ME INSANE |
| 04:58.48 | Shirik | um |
| 04:58.53 | Shirik | I dunno really >< |
| 04:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | # ip -6 route get 2001:4860:0:2001::68 |
| 04:58.59 | ScytheBlade1 | 2001:4860:0:2001::68 from :: via 2001:470:d82b:ffff::2 dev eth0 src ::1 |
| 04:59.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Getting to google via my local router over eth0... from ::1 ?! |
| 04:59.33 | Shirik | you work at google? |
| 04:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | No, that's just how I'm testing connectivity |
| 04:59.52 | Shirik | you missed the joke >< |
| 04:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Entirely, this is frustrating me |
| 05:00.18 | Shirik | it could be worse |
| 05:00.24 | Shirik | you could be at my school and get something like this instead |
| 05:01.01 | Corrodias | herpes? |
| 05:01.02 | Shirik | Pinging 2001:4860:0:2001::68 from 2002:9b1f:aaec::9b1f:aaec with 32 bytes of data: |
| 05:01.02 | Shirik | Request timed out. |
| 05:01.04 | Shirik | :< |
| 05:01.18 | ScytheBlade1 | PING ipv6.google.com(2001:4860:0:2001::68) 56 data bytes |
| 05:01.18 | ScytheBlade1 | From localhost icmp_seq=2 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable |
| 05:01.22 | ScytheBlade1 | LOCALHOST IS NOT MY ROUTER |
| 05:01.28 | Shirik | lolol |
| 05:01.35 | Shirik | sounds like it's on the wrong interface really |
| 05:01.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I only have one interface |
| 05:01.49 | Tekkub | so what your saying is, IPv6 is still just a dream? |
| 05:01.54 | Shirik | Pinging ipv6.l.google.com [2001:4860:0:2001::68] from 2002:9b1f:aaec::9b1f:aaec with 32 bytes of data: |
| 05:01.54 | Shirik | Request timed out. |
| 05:01.55 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | No, you can actually ping a lot of my stuff just fine |
| 05:02.03 | Shirik | ^ HATE MY SCHOOL |
| 05:02.06 | Tekkub | I'd like IPv6 here.. I hate NAT so very very much |
| 05:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I had this working before I started changing the router IPs |
| 05:02.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Now it's hating on me |
| 05:02.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: http://aboveaverageurl.com/2008/08/ipv6.html |
| 05:02.31 | Tekkub | WTB home router with IPv6 |
| 05:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 05:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that could be a problem :) |
| 05:02.43 | Tekkub | yea, "oh" |
| 05:02.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It has any native protocol I please |
| 05:02.54 | Shirik | My parents's router is still using wireless B :P |
| 05:03.04 | Shirik | psh, linux is not RTOS! |
| 05:03.16 | Mascondante | Three points 1)Make sure your computer has the latest updates and patches. 2)Make sure all hardware you own is IPv6 compatable and call your ISP. 3)If all else fails either use a proxy to bypass issues on your network or turn off IPv6 all together. |
| 05:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure you don't need RTOS for routing |
| 05:03.23 | Tekkub | I'm "only" G here, and I just turned it on for the first time in like a year |
| 05:03.27 | Shirik | Actually I believe the linksys routers use VxWorks |
| 05:03.31 | Tekkub | all because of out guest and his laptop |
| 05:03.31 | ScytheBlade1 | They do |
| 05:03.33 | Shirik | but you don't really, I agree |
| 05:03.43 | Shirik | what! |
| 05:03.45 | Shirik | vxworks is good! |
| 05:03.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I just have a hatred of home grade routers |
| 05:03.57 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:04.15 | ScytheBlade1 | 'k, wtf |
| 05:04.19 | ScytheBlade1 | my desktop thinks it's a router |
| 05:04.26 | Tekkub | find me a nice kickass router that does IPv6 for $30 then |
| 05:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Despite not having any form of forwarding enabled |
| 05:04.37 | Shirik | well, ScytheBlade1, you got your wish |
| 05:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | It's sending router adverts |
| 05:04.41 | Shirik | linux-powered router |
| 05:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 05:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | My actual router is fine |
| 05:04.53 | Corrodias | i couldn't find you a nice router * for $30. |
| 05:04.55 | Mascondante | or get a homegrown firmware upgrade like a normal uber geek ;-) |
| 05:04.55 | Shirik | it is? |
| 05:04.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | My desktop is broke |
| 05:05.22 | Corrodias | i've never seen a nice wireless router for under $50 |
| 05:05.25 | Shirik | Like ARP requests? |
| 05:05.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Mascondante: or run the router OS off of a compact flash card using my own custom embedded (complete) distro slimmed down to fit on a 128MB CF card ;) |
| 05:05.40 | Tekkub | my current router was $30, with stupid wifi even, and it works fine except it can't do IPv6 :P |
| 05:05.50 | Corrodias | mine probably can't either :( |
| 05:05.53 | Tekkub | I don't care about the wireless, obviously |
| 05:06.08 | Corrodias | actually... it does. never mind. |
| 05:06.16 | Corrodias | the custom firmware supports it, supposedly, anyway |
| 05:06.35 | ScytheBlade1 | What firmware are you using? |
| 05:06.49 | Mascondante | um script kiddie vs custom job. You win. |
| 05:06.55 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 05:06.56 | Corrodias | (linksys 2rt54g) Firmware: DD-WRT v23 SP1 Final (05/16/06) std |
| 05:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | DD-WRT is good stuff |
| 05:07.43 | Corrodias | i'm not about to flip the switch to turn that ipv6 on, though, since i know my OS would not be expecting that |
| 05:07.58 | ScytheBlade1 | What OS? |
| 05:08.20 | Shirik | doesn't XP support it with updates? |
| 05:08.28 | Corrodias | server 2k3. according to MS's page here, it does support it, but i'd probably have to, like, inform it about what i was doing or something |
| 05:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | XP supports it if you install the stack |
| 05:08.41 | Mascondante | ScytheBlade1: I think I used that before. |
| 05:08.43 | ScytheBlade1 | 2k3 should... hmm, I'm not sure actually |
| 05:08.49 | Shirik | 2k3 should I believe as well |
| 05:08.54 | Corrodias | "Support for Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6), a new suite of standard protocols for the Network layer of the Internet, is built into the latest versions of Microsoft Windows, which include Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2003, Windows XP with Service Pack 2, Windows XP with Service Pack 1, Windows XP Embedded SP1, and Windows CE .NET." |
| 05:09.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah but it's a question of if it is native or if you have to install it manually |
| 05:09.21 | Tekkub | Vista has it by default |
| 05:09.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Vista does, I'm not sure about 2k3 |
| 05:09.38 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.38 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.39 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 05:09.43 | Corrodias | i am really not sure how to turn it on |
| 05:09.59 | Tekkub | XP you have to install it, probably same with 2003 |
| 05:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'M PINGING YOU TEKKUB |
| 05:10.06 | ScytheBlade1 | And you're firewalled |
| 05:10.09 | Tekkub | ONG STOPIT |
| 05:10.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 21 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 20095ms |
| 05:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | QQ |
| 05:11.25 | Mascondante | Here's an intersting question. Is there anything intersting I can do to my sat modem. I always wanted to get in there but when the guy was setting it up it was a webform he put the info into and the config settings were sent down to the modem. No direct modification. |
| 05:11.30 | Corrodias | i suppose you could install the ipv6 protocol driver on your network connection. maybe that would do it. |
| 05:11.57 | Corrodias | it's in there, just not connected to the ...connection by default |
| 05:12.06 | Shirik | OH WAIT, I CAN'T BECAUSE MY SCHOOL IS ALL LIKE NOM NOM NOM AT IPV6 PACKETS |
| 05:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:12.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah mine eats my tunnel |
| 05:12.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Just drops it |
| 05:12.20 | Tekkub | actually I don't think it's full blown IPv6 on Vista... it's some halfassed tunnel that doesn't work |
| 05:12.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: ping -6 ipv6.google.com |
| 05:12.32 | Tekkub | and a link-local on the real ethernet interface |
| 05:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Ahh |
| 05:12.48 | Shirik | My ISP at home fully supports IPv6 though |
| 05:12.51 | Shirik | it's nice |
| 05:12.59 | ScytheBlade1 | orly |
| 05:13.00 | Tekkub | Pinging ipv6.l.google.com [2001:4860:0:2001::68] from 2001:0:4137:9e50:2872:315e:3f57:ffd5 with 32 bytes of data: |
| 05:13.00 | Tekkub | Request timed out. |
| 05:13.00 | Tekkub | Destination host unreachable. |
| 05:13.09 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah you be broken |
| 05:13.15 | Tekkub | yup |
| 05:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | PING ipv6.google.com(2001:4860:0:1001::68) 56 data bytes |
| 05:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | 64 bytes from 2001:4860:0:1001::68: icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=329 ms |
| 05:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Mine works fine from my servers |
| 05:13.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Just hacking on getting the link to my home working |
| 05:13.55 | Tekkub | I'm sure comcast doesn't support it anyway |
| 05:14.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Not natively |
| 05:14.06 | Mascondante | Pinging ipv6.l.google.com [2001:4860:0:2001::68] from 2002:4b6a:a4a5::4b6a:a4a5 |
| 05:14.08 | Tekkub | so I'd still have to fight with tunneling |
| 05:14.11 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm on comcast and had it working just the other day |
| 05:14.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I have a tunnel to my server |
| 05:14.18 | Mascondante | Reply from 2001:4860:0:2001::68: time=1945ms |
| 05:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And then from my server to my home boxes |
| 05:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 05:14.43 | Tekkub | yea see, that's NOT less effort than fighting with the NAT |
| 05:15.01 | Shirik | Curious, gdb considers each one of my threads a different process in QNX |
| 05:15.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually now that I got my desktop working (yay) |
| 05:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I just have to prod the router into basic routing |
| 05:15.43 | Mascondante | wildblue is fully compat. But it's sat and latency is HORRIBLE on WoW |
| 05:15.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, all satellite latency sucks |
| 05:16.29 | Mascondante | Yay I'm IPv6 Compat. Nooo I just got raped by a guy in greens |
| 05:16.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Curse you latency! |
| 05:16.55 | Mascondante | =p |
| 05:17.17 | Corrodias | i wonder if AT&T has made any effort at all to begin supporting ipv6 |
| 05:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Muhaha |
| 05:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | PING ipv6.google.com(2001:4860:0:2001::68) 56 data bytes |
| 05:17.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 64 bytes from 2001:4860:0:2001::68: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=331 ms |
| 05:17.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Working from the desktop |
| 05:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | HEY SHIRIK |
| 05:18.03 | Corrodias | well, apparently they claim they have "a proven history of leadership in IPv6 development and deployment" |
| 05:18.15 | ScytheBlade1 | NMAP 2001:470:d82b:ffff::3 |
| 05:18.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It's my desktop ;) |
| 05:18.28 | Shirik | I.... can't..... |
| 05:18.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Sucker! |
| 05:19.14 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:19.14 | Shirik | damn it |
| 05:19.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That, is why I control my own domains with TSIG key updates ;) |
| 05:19.37 | Shirik | I dunno, does linode support ipv6? |
| 05:19.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Not natively |
| 05:19.47 | Shirik | bleh |
| 05:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | But you can setup 6to4 tunnels |
| 05:19.50 | Shirik | not going to mess with that right now |
| 05:19.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Or standard tunnels (which I did) |
| 05:19.57 | Shirik | I'm too busy getting gdb to like me again |
| 05:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | gdb hates everyone |
| 05:20.14 | Thrae | I need to look into IPv6toIPv4 tunnels so I can start using it. |
| 05:20.24 | Shirik | at least gdb is WORKING |
| 05:20.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://aboveaverageurl.com/2008/08/ipv6.html |
| 05:20.28 | Shirik | unlike eclipse |
| 05:20.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: linode + IPv6, right there |
| 05:20.35 | Corrodias | gdb - God Damn Binary... |
| 05:21.05 | Thrae | I could make my internal network IPv6 without trouble. |
| 05:21.28 | Shirik | however |
| 05:21.32 | Shirik | I do like what I"m staring at right now |
| 05:21.42 | Shirik | (gdb) info threads <enter> |
| 05:21.48 | Shirik | And I'm still sitting here waiting |
| 05:21.51 | Thrae | Shirik: Stop stalking Cairenn. |
| 05:21.51 | Shirik | wondering if it will ever tell me |
| 05:22.12 | Shirik | oh wow! |
| 05:22.15 | Mascondante | I'm beginning to wonder how close we are to running out of IPv4 addresses... Seems like people predicting stupid stuff... just like the y2k scare. =p |
| 05:22.15 | Shirik | It locked up the OS |
| 05:22.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Mascondante: tunnelbroker.net keeps a "counter" running on their website |
| 05:22.35 | Shirik | why gdb has that kind of priority I don't know |
| 05:22.44 | ScytheBlade1 | And yeah it does oddly strike of the y2k scare |
| 05:23.03 | Kaso | the problem with ipv4 is the historical grand-fathering of large companies to huge netmasks |
| 05:23.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh that's still only part of it |
| 05:23.35 | ScytheBlade1 | If you removed NAT from the picture we'd have been entirely exhausted years ago |
| 05:23.36 | Shirik | the problem with ipv4 is not only did we not have enough addresses by now |
| 05:23.48 | Shirik | but we totally inefficently assigned addresses |
| 05:23.52 | Shirik | which Kaso eludes to |
| 05:24.02 | Corrodias | alludes |
| 05:24.11 | Shirik | whatever |
| 05:24.14 | Shirik | eludes is easier to type |
| 05:24.20 | ccox | IPV4 addresses are supposedly out in about 2 years, last large blocks are already allocated, being subdivided |
| 05:24.31 | Kaso | wouldnt that mean im avoiding it? |
| 05:24.40 | Shirik | I invented a new word |
| 05:24.49 | Shirik | it's merely a homonym of an existing word |
| 05:24.57 | Shirik | well, two |
| 05:25.01 | Tekkub | damn homos |
| 05:25.07 | ScytheBlade1 | To be honest |
| 05:25.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty much the only reasons to run IPv6 now are (1) to say that you are and (2) to see the animated google logo |
| 05:25.22 | Corrodias | this ipv6 stuff is a little daunting. tunneling pseudo-interface? |
| 05:25.36 | Kaso | e·ludes : "To evade or escape from, as by daring, cleverness, or skill: The suspect continues to elude the police." |
| 05:25.39 | Shirik | wait, animated google logo? |
| 05:25.47 | Kaso | its not a new word |
| 05:25.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: eh I generally know my way around networking, and it really was pretty simple for me |
| 05:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: fail - that is all |
| 05:26.01 | Shirik | no, I made a new word spelled the same way as the existing "eludes" Kaso |
| 05:26.04 | Shirik | it has a different definition |
| 05:26.07 | Kaso | oh i see |
| 05:26.08 | Kaso | hah |
| 05:26.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://ipv6.google.com/images/ipv6_logo.gif |
| 05:26.33 | Shirik | you are not funny |
| 05:26.37 | Shirik | really |
| 05:26.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It's right there, Shirik! |
| 05:26.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Why can't you access it! |
| 05:26.49 | Shirik | You better not come to blizzcon, I might be forced to stab you |
| 05:27.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not, I lack tickets transportion and funds |
| 05:27.09 | Shirik | aw :( |
| 05:27.13 | Shirik | oi |
| 05:27.19 | Shirik | transportation |
| 05:27.24 | Shirik | I should book a flight sometime |
| 05:27.33 | Mascondante | random question #3: Is there any way to get an addon to communicate with a program outside of WoW... like communication with a database on the web, IRC inside WoW, etc. |
| 05:27.35 | ScytheBlade1 | http://google.com/images/ipv6_logo.gif |
| 05:27.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Mascondante: no |
| 05:27.41 | Cairenn | no |
| 05:27.47 | Shirik | oh that's fun |
| 05:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Told you it's animated |
| 05:28.22 | Thrae | Mascondante: No, that would create evil things. Best you can do is save something, do a /reloadui, and read the saved variable file. |
| 05:28.25 | Cairenn | actually, technically an incorrect answer - an addon can communicate to the outside world .... via it's SV file, after the game closes |
| 05:28.47 | Thrae | I thought it was after a /reloadui? |
| 05:28.52 | Shirik | oh my life |
| 05:29.08 | Cairenn | I'm meaning that you can have something else read the SV after you've logged out :p |
| 05:29.14 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, you might enjoy this |
| 05:29.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: technically I'm not old enough to get a hotel room by myself either - which is another blocker |
| 05:29.17 | Mascondante | too bad. My now not so brilliant idea was a load on demand kind of thing. |
| 05:29.21 | Shirik | I've been debugging for a while now, maybe a couple hours |
| 05:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: so the stabbing can occur earliest at next year |
| 05:29.34 | Shirik | I just ran this command, "ps -l > ./sometxtfile" |
| 05:29.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:29.39 | Shirik | Would you like to see the results? |
| 05:29.46 | Shirik | Actually it's still running, so just give it a second |
| 05:29.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Do I have a say in the matter? |
| 05:30.00 | Corrodias | ScytheBlade1: reading this document from microsoft about testing ipv6 in a computer lab, if this were all i knew about ipv6, i'd say it's far too complex to convince any average end-windows-user to adopt it |
| 05:30.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 05:30.18 | Corrodias | but i suspect they're over my head in this one |
| 05:30.21 | Thrae | Mascondante: LoD already works very well. The addons that really need more serious LoD solutions are poorly coded to begin with. Best leave the WoW Engine to handle LoD methods. |
| 05:30.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: on Vista it's actually stupidly easy. 1) Plug into your modem. 2) That's it, you have IPv6. |
| 05:31.01 | Corrodias | so the rest of us Power Users running Old Windows should know this stuff :( |
| 05:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | (Vista activates an IPv6 tunnel pointing to the nearest IPv6-in-IPv4 router via anycast and gives you 'native' IPv6 out of the box) |
| 05:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | My friend thought his ISP was giving him native IPv6, it turned out to just be Vista doing it automagically over IPv5 |
| 05:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | s/5/4/ |
| 05:32.22 | Shirik | um, I'll only show the first parts of it |
| 05:32.30 | Corrodias | yeah, well, i do not have vista and don't plan on getting it |
| 05:32.32 | Shirik | but the file is 230MB, and I hit ctrl-c because I got sick of waiting |
| 05:32.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf did you do? |
| 05:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Like |
| 05:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 05:32.47 | Shirik | I'm not really sure |
| 05:32.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ........... |
| 05:32.56 | Corrodias | if improved ipv6 support is the only thing vista does over windows 5, i'll just learn how to use it on 5. |
| 05:32.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm in a semi-broken awe |
| 05:33.14 | Shirik | I totally blame gdb |
| 05:33.16 | Shirik | and I'm not kidding |
| 05:33.24 | Shirik | I am fully convinced somehow gdb did this (with my help, of course |
| 05:33.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: technically the entire network stack was re-written, to say that improved IPv6 support is the 'only' thing vista has over the 5 kernels would be.. a bit wrong :) |
| 05:33.50 | Mascondante | interseting. I don't have the capability to create something that complex anyway. I'm the guy that doesn't have a good grip on LUA therefore I come up with ideas completely outside the box that with some heavy thought may actually be possible. Or at least that's what I tell myself to feel more useful =p |
| 05:33.57 | ScytheBlade1 | From an end user perspective, however, that's about it yes |
| 05:34.00 | krka | Mascondante: Lua is actually a portuguese word and it means "moon" |
| 05:34.04 | Shirik | What's a LUA? |
| 05:34.14 | Corrodias | LUA is my boot in your ass |
| 05:34.32 | Mascondante | rofl |
| 05:35.14 | Mascondante | ff3 needs an update. I'm noticing more and more bugs as I use it. |
| 05:35.27 | Shirik | isn't that extremely old |
| 05:35.29 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:35.35 | Corrodias | i wouldn't even know how to tell whether my ipv6 setup was working, if i were to try it |
| 05:35.37 | Mascondante | Firefox =p |
| 05:35.49 | Shirik | I'm hitting Mascondante too hard probably :) |
| 05:35.49 | Corrodias | ugh, i'll put it on the back burner |
| 05:35.54 | Thrae | Lua is a programming language. LUA is the Lesbian Ukranian Alliance. While similiar, you'd be best to tell them apart. |
| 05:35.56 | Tekkub | ffx3! |
| 05:35.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: you'd check "ipconfig" for a "global" IPv6 address |
| 05:36.01 | Shirik | firefox is not abbreviated "ff" and Lua is not capitalized :) |
| 05:36.05 | Corrodias | how can you tell if it's global? |
| 05:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Or rather just "IPv6 Address" |
| 05:36.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Not "Link-local IPv6 Address" |
| 05:36.22 | Shirik | !g firefox abbreviation faq |
| 05:36.23 | batbot | Shirik: Mozilla Firefox 1.5 Release Notes <http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html> |
| 05:36.23 | Thrae | FF3 doesn't get any good until FF6 where they add Terra as your homepage. |
| 05:37.21 | Corrodias | ScytheBlade1: none of those are here. just two instances of "IP Address" |
| 05:37.31 | Mascondante | my brain broke |
| 05:37.32 | Thrae | Actually, I was always a Ceres / Celes / Celeste man myself. |
| 05:37.34 | Wobin | Thrae: that's a terrible conglomeration of references |
| 05:37.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: then you likely have to install IPv6 before you'll get it |
| 05:37.48 | ScytheBlade1 | !g install ipv6 netsh server 2003 |
| 05:37.49 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Migrating IPv6.exe Commands to Netsh Command <http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb726950.aspx> |
| 05:38.09 | Thrae | Wobin: What do YOU think of when you first see someone say "ff3"? (especially uncapitalized) |
| 05:38.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "netsh ipv6 install" and it's done |
| 05:38.28 | Wobin | isn't the normal abbreviation ffx? |
| 05:38.35 | Shirik | "fx" I believe |
| 05:38.40 | Thrae | Not in the US |
| 05:39.11 | Corrodias | take a look at this and tell me what it means :( http://corrodias.no-ip.org/ipv6_test_1.png |
| 05:39.27 | Corrodias | note: my router does not have ipv6 support enabled at that point |
| 05:39.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, VMWare |
| 05:39.47 | Corrodias | too many addresses and not enough understanding |
| 05:39.50 | Shirik | that's VMWare's virtual adapter |
| 05:39.53 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah you need to have a public IPv4 address for the automagic IPv6 to work |
| 05:40.04 | Thrae | Anyone who started with FF7 usually uses numbers because FF7 looks better then FFVII, and lots of people started with FF7. I started with FFI, which was just "FF". |
| 05:40.05 | Shirik | to provide communication between your desktop and your vm |
| 05:40.11 | Shirik | wait no |
| 05:40.15 | Shirik | that's the new microsoft thingy |
| 05:40.18 | Corrodias | i'm not sure what you're suggesting, you two |
| 05:40.25 | Corrodias | it is able to communicate over the network and use the internet right now |
| 05:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Then don't worry too much about it :) |
| 05:40.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 05:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | See how that address starts out as "fe80"? |
| 05:40.49 | Thrae | IPv6 would be a good magic attack name. |
| 05:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | All of them rather |
| 05:40.56 | Corrodias | i have a ipv4 WAN IP on my router |
| 05:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Right. You need that on your *desktop* |
| 05:41.07 | Corrodias | i do |
| 05:41.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Or in this case |
| 05:41.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Your VMWare instance |
| 05:41.25 | Shirik | oh does fe80 actually mean something? |
| 05:41.27 | Corrodias | i need... those letters... on my desktop? |
| 05:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Any IPv6 address that starts with "fe80" is a link-local address |
| 05:41.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ie private IP ie "can't do much with this" |
| 05:41.58 | ScytheBlade1 | See how the 2k3 ipconfig lists 192.168.2.111? |
| 05:42.07 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 05:42.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It would need to say 75.17.196.27 for your Ipv6 to work |
| 05:42.56 | Corrodias | so i'd need to have my router move that computer off the NAT |
| 05:43.27 | Corrodias | (if what i just said sounds ridiculous/stupid, it probably is) |
| 05:43.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You'd have to remove your router entirely |
| 05:43.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And then you'd have to figure out a way to get the public IP on your VMWare instance (which isn't going to be possible) |
| 05:43.59 | Shirik | Here's the first like 10% of the file, ScytheBlade1: http://codepad.org/l6sowUO8 |
| 05:44.22 | Shirik | /tmp/base_g being the program I was debugging |
| 05:44.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me you need more "how2gdb" Shirik |
| 05:44.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That isn't right |
| 05:44.48 | Corrodias | you mean connecting it to the modem directly (which is acting as a gateway, i believe, if i know anything about that) |
| 05:44.53 | Shirik | I pretty much never use gdb |
| 05:45.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: indeed |
| 05:45.14 | Corrodias | i can switch the router into a gateway mode, if i'm not mistaken |
| 05:45.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: and then you'd have to get that IP on your VMWare instance (which you can't arbitrarily do) |
| 05:45.22 | Shirik | And I'm trying to use it right now to debug a multithreaded, multiprocess program which has my code in several different executable files and I'm going back and forth between them |
| 05:45.28 | Shirik | So it's like an insane learning curve |
| 05:45.34 | Corrodias | or turn on ipv6 support. you'd think routers would still, you know, WORK with ipv6 going around |
| 05:45.40 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 05:45.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Depends on the type of support it gives you |
| 05:47.08 | Corrodias | and sadly, i can't just go playing with it, lest i get things into an unusable state |
| 05:51.39 | Shirik | ROFL! Eclipse wins again |
| 05:51.47 | Shirik | I accidentally hit "paste" in eclipse |
| 05:51.49 | Shirik | insta-crash |
| 05:51.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: there are secrets @ http://[2001:470:d82b:ffff::2]/ |
| 05:52.00 | Shirik | (I still had that crap from pastey in clipboard) |
| 05:52.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:52.23 | Shirik | you know what I really don't get, ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:52.28 | Shirik | the school assigns me an IPv6 address |
| 05:52.31 | Shirik | so why the hell can't I use it |
| 05:52.44 | ScytheBlade1 | pastey me your ifconfig |
| 05:52.59 | Shirik | ipconfig? |
| 05:53.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, windows |
| 05:53.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Then yes |
| 05:53.16 | Shirik | oh wait, never mind |
| 05:53.17 | Shirik | it doesn't |
| 05:53.22 | Shirik | that's the microsoft tunnely thingie |
| 05:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | And that's pretty easily blocked |
| 05:53.48 | Shirik | everything is blocked here... |
| 05:53.55 | Shirik | I'm lucky I can get on irc |
| 05:54.14 | Shirik | If you're in a residential dorm, you have to install this software |
| 05:54.27 | Shirik | and you have to have windows updates & antivirus installed w/ updated defs before it even lets you connect |
| 05:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, I know a friend's school who has a similar thing |
| 05:54.41 | Shirik | cisco CAA |
| 05:54.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Not the same software though |
| 05:54.53 | Corrodias | wow, my computers would be SO banned from that network it would be funny |
| 05:54.58 | ScytheBlade1 | My school just has comptent netadmins :P |
| 05:54.59 | Corrodias | now when you say "lets you connect"... |
| 05:55.22 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-39-65.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:55.27 | Shirik | If you don't meet the requirements, then it lets you connect to the network in a quarantined area |
| 05:55.39 | ScytheBlade1 | *authentication |
| 05:55.40 | Corrodias | i remember my old school considered banning you from the DHCP server a viable way of banning you from the network |
| 05:55.41 | Shirik | Which gives you access to restricted sites and is completely blocked from the remainder of the intranet |
| 05:55.48 | Shirik | rofl Corrodias |
| 05:55.53 | Shirik | no :) Trust me, I fought HARD to get around it |
| 05:55.59 | MentalPower | Shirik: IPv6's FE80 == IPv4's 169.254 |
| 05:56.21 | Shirik | makes sense |
| 05:56.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 05:56.31 | ScytheBlade1 | My data takes one route out.. |
| 05:56.33 | Corrodias | WPA on wired LAN? |
| 05:56.35 | ScytheBlade1 | .. and another route in |
| 05:56.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: correct |
| 05:56.44 | Corrodias | isn't that... a paradox or something |
| 05:56.50 | Corrodias | does anything even -support- that? |
| 05:56.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: real actual security on a per connection basis |
| 05:56.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Windows does natively |
| 05:57.46 | MentalPower | WPA over LAN? |
| 05:57.54 | ScytheBlade1 | The same protocols |
| 05:57.59 | Corrodias | it does? i've never seen any WPA-related information in my windowses outside of a wireless context |
| 05:58.03 | MentalPower | I didn't even know that was possible |
| 05:58.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course, now I can't find it.. |
| 05:58.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Where did they move it to in Vista -.- |
| 06:00.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Windows supports network authentication on a very very low level |
| 06:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Not that I can find it, stupid vista |
| 06:01.33 | Corrodias | it may have been a function of the program that was referred to before, that kept you off if you didn't meet its requirements? |
| 06:01.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Was that directed at me? |
| 06:02.00 | Shirik | lua> log(32768)/log(2) |
| 06:02.00 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'log' (a nil value) |
| 06:02.01 | Corrodias | yes, but referring to something Shirik said, i think |
| 06:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 06:02.07 | Shirik | lua> local log = math.log; log(32768)/log(2) |
| 06:02.07 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '/' |
| 06:02.09 | ScytheBlade1 | No, differnt stuff entirely |
| 06:02.10 | Shirik | omg |
| 06:02.15 | Shirik | lua> local log = math.log; return log(32768)/log(2) |
| 06:02.15 | lua_bot | Shirik: 15 |
| 06:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Here we are |
| 06:03.03 | Corrodias | okay, forget it, i am going blind trying to learn so much about networking late at night |
| 06:03.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc194418.aspx |
| 06:04.09 | Corrodias | RADUIS, that's a word i've seen on the dd-wrt configuration interface before |
| 06:04.23 | ScytheBlade1 | RADIUS is one (of the many) ways of it |
| 06:04.45 | ScytheBlade1 | But yes, WPA is really just 802.1x security methods as applied to wifi |
| 06:04.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It's largely identical to wired configuration |
| 06:05.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I plug my laptop in to the wired jacks at school and it requires that I authenticate before it lets me do jack - and when I do authenticate, it sets up a secured session between you and the switch with a unique session key |
| 06:05.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay for no eavesdroppers on my dataz |
| 06:06.12 | *** join/#wowuidev WobWork (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:07.36 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: I'll definitely read this thoroughly, thanks! |
| 06:07.42 | MentalPower | and with that, I go to bed |
| 06:07.45 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: hehe, enjoy |
| 06:07.50 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: security is awesome :) |
| 06:07.53 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|ZzzZ, sweet dreams |
| 06:07.55 | ScytheBlade1 | night |
| 06:07.56 | MentalPower|ZzzZ | indeed |
| 06:08.07 | Corrodias | i will also read these things later |
| 06:08.26 | Corrodias | look for the headlines when i kidnap someone to teach me about ipv6, though |
| 06:08.38 | Arrowmaster | oh fuck did i miss a good ipv6 discussion in here because i was busy in another channel? |
| 06:08.54 | ScytheBlade1 | not so much discussion as me bashing my head against the wall for a good 30 minutes |
| 06:09.08 | ScytheBlade1 | On the flip side, it all works again! |
| 06:12.35 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: ScytheBlade1's computer became self-aware and decided it wanted to be a router |
| 06:12.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually a very good description of what happened |
| 06:13.16 | Arrowmaster | probably because hes running an ipv6 tunnel on it |
| 06:13.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Not on my desktop |
| 06:13.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is the devices that became self-aware |
| 06:13.39 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 06:13.39 | ScytheBlade1 | And started hating on me |
| 06:13.44 | ScytheBlade1 | *device |
| 06:14.03 | Shirik | In the meantime, ScytheBlade1's desktop got in touch with my robot, which told gdb to dos my computer by spawning somewhere around 5 million copies of a program |
| 06:14.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 06:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Anything of mine that touches anything of Shirik's |
| 06:14.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Instantly starts beating Shirik's stuff into either random bits or just general insanity |
| 06:14.32 | *** join/#wowuidev norova (n=norova@c-98-215-144-167.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 06:14.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It was the latter in this case |
| 06:14.50 | Shirik | I really should have left ps -l going |
| 06:14.52 | Shirik | see how big the file gets |
| 06:14.57 | Shirik | but it might have been in an infinite loop |
| 06:15.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That was a case for killall if I've ever seen one |
| 06:15.16 | Shirik | actually, upon killing gdb they all disappeared |
| 06:15.21 | Shirik | and I don't have a killall :) |
| 06:15.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:15.45 | Shirik | my killall is set current limit on power supply to 0mA |
| 06:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That needs fixing (the latter point) |
| 06:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:15.55 | Shirik | QNX has limited tools :) |
| 06:16.06 | Shirik | I'm glad I found a ported version of bash though |
| 06:16.30 | Arrowmaster | you know i call bullshit on that /. artile about how you get more spam if your email starts with an A, i get almost twice as much at my address that starts with a J |
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| 06:16.59 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Gotta admit, it would be a very interesting statistical experiment |
| 06:17.20 | Arrowmaster | they measured it from some uk isp |
| 06:17.26 | Shirik | ah did they |
| 06:17.30 | Arrowmaster | although i dont think it was very accurate |
| 06:17.30 | Shirik | do they have the actual numbers there? |
| 06:17.35 | Shirik | Or do they just say "This is what we got" |
| 06:17.43 | Arrowmaster | they said only 56% of the emails were spam |
| 06:17.50 | Shirik | linky? |
| 06:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ~slashdot |
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| 06:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ~slashdot 7 |
| 06:18.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo |
| 06:18.25 | Arrowmaster | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/31/1721211 |
| 06:18.36 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 06:18.42 | Shirik | this PDF is a real paper |
| 06:19.27 | Shirik | however, the paper makes no statement of confidence levels |
| 06:19.31 | Shirik | which leads me suspicious |
| 06:19.52 | Wobin | you lack confidence in their confidence levels eh? |
| 06:20.12 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:20.19 | Shirik | I want some real numbers |
| 06:20.35 | Shirik | variance, confidence, etc. |
| 06:22.20 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
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| 06:22.40 | Arrowmaster | searching through email records and i cant find what tunnel broker i used to have an ipv6 tunnel from |
| 06:22.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I really like tunnelbroker.net |
| 06:23.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Gave me a /64 a /48, will give me three more of each, and full reverse DNS control |
| 06:23.18 | ScytheBlade1 | All for $0 |
| 06:23.47 | Shirik | "svn status" says "A +" on one of my items. documentation says + means "history scheduled with commit" any idea what that means? |
| 06:24.02 | Arrowmaster | did you use svn move? |
| 06:24.06 | Arrowmaster | or svn copy? |
| 06:24.11 | Shirik | mmmm, someone else might have |
| 06:24.18 | Shirik | this is on the robot itself so several people touch it |
| 06:24.23 | Wobin | then you're copying the svn history alongside it |
| 06:24.40 | Shirik | ah that makes sense, I see one of the shell scripts has a D next to it and the A+ is a shell script |
| 06:24.49 | Shirik | thanks |
| 06:25.35 | Arrowmaster | ok i have reason to belive i had a hexago tunnel but i still cant find any info on it |
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| 06:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 06:29.48 | ScytheBlade1 | "You are using IPv6 from 2001:470:d82b:fffe::3" |
| 06:29.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I sure am |
| 06:30.15 | Arrowmaster | oh shit, i think i found it |
| 06:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | It's too bad that shirik can't nmap my laptop now |
| 06:33.09 | ScytheBlade1 | (With the above IP) |
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| 06:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 06:36.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Having my tunnel server in Florida was probably a poor idea about now.. |
| 06:36.56 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 06:36.59 | Shirik | I just broke crucible |
| 06:37.03 | Shirik | I didn't think my code was THAT bad... |
| 06:37.55 | Shirik | hey, what's wrong with Florida, ScytheBlade1?! |
| 06:38.21 | JerleMinara | it's about to be hit by a hurricane |
| 06:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Hurricanes |
| 06:38.30 | Shirik | I go to school in hurricanes! |
| 06:38.32 | Shirik | Screw hurricanes |
| 06:38.43 | Shirik | it's like what Cairenn says to snow |
| 06:38.47 | ScytheBlade1 | You're really not helping your case here |
| 06:38.49 | Shirik | she's all like "gtfo" |
| 06:38.57 | Shirik | not "zomg snow I can't go to work qqqq" |
| 06:38.57 | Cairenn | besides *hatehatehatehate*? |
| 06:39.17 | Shirik | oh right, Cairenn's the canadian that wants to live in Florida |
| 06:39.27 | Cairenn | in a heartbeat |
| 06:39.41 | Aiiane | just come and live in SoCal |
| 06:39.49 | Cairenn | in a heartbeat |
| 06:39.59 | Aiiane | we don't get hit by hurricanes here >:) |
| 06:39.59 | Cairenn | warm!!! |
| 06:40.14 | Cairenn | no, you have earthquakes |
| 06:40.20 | Shirik | we don't have earthquakes! |
| 06:40.21 | Aiiane | not many of them |
| 06:40.21 | JerleMinara | socal is terrible |
| 06:40.24 | JerleMinara | there's no seasons |
| 06:40.26 | JerleMinara | there's nothing exciting |
| 06:40.27 | Aiiane | lol |
| 06:40.30 | Cairenn | warm!!! |
| 06:40.30 | JerleMinara | i live in irvine and it is booooooooooooring |
| 06:40.35 | Cairenn | warm!!!! |
| 06:40.36 | JerleMinara | it's 75 degrees 100% of the time |
| 06:40.36 | Shirik | hurricanes seriously are nothing big |
| 06:40.40 | Cairenn | warm!!! |
| 06:40.45 | Aiiane | some of us prefer our exciting done by something other than forces of nature |
| 06:40.50 | JerleMinara | Cairenn: i just moved back from alaska about 4 months ago, i'll take alaska over irvine any day |
| 06:40.51 | Shirik | I don't know why people make such a big deal out of it. Granted, we don't get hit as hard |
| 06:40.51 | JerleMinara | weather-wise |
| 06:41.13 | Shirik | you stay inside and ride it out |
| 06:41.22 | Shirik | play wow |
| 06:41.27 | JerleMinara | that worked so well for new orleans last time :> |
| 06:41.41 | Shirik | well if their civil engineers weren't moronic |
| 06:41.53 | Shirik | NO doesn't seem like it should even exist from my understanding of the place |
| 06:41.55 | Cairenn | but he is right, we look at snowstorms and go, "yeah, so what?" and keep on going |
| 06:42.26 | Shirik | it's like "oh there's 1 million gallons of water here. Let's just move it away" |
| 06:42.35 | Shirik | eventually it's going to come back... |
| 06:43.03 | Arrowmaster | doesnt that tend to happen when you are below sea level and it floods? |
| 06:43.04 | Cairenn | sweet dreams ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:43.33 | Shirik | there's a difference between being "below sea level" and "below sea level and near the coast" |
| 06:43.46 | Shirik | when it's "below sea level and near the coast", imo sea level is defined incorrectly |
| 06:44.12 | Shirik | but I'm neither a map maker nor a civil engineer |
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| 06:44.26 | Shirik | I'm a computer engineer whom intends to never have to worry about these problems |
| 06:44.51 | Wobin | well hopefully you'd live somewhere where 'sea level' is more 'not here' |
| 06:45.09 | Duman | POOP |
| 06:48.05 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:48.12 | Shirik | generally I'd prefer to live somewhere where poop is not here too |
| 06:51.23 | krka | wait, a computer engineer isn't a subset of civil engineer? |
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| 06:52.12 | krka | hm, seems to be a terminology issue - in swedish, "civilingenjör" denotes all sorts of engineers |
| 06:52.18 | krka | guess it's different in english |
| 06:59.49 | Wobin | it's a different uni course for us =) |
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| 07:06.30 | Tekkub | damnit, why is the login server down when I need to test shit? |
| 07:07.17 | Tekkub | that's better |
| 07:11.39 | Fisker- | can you test now? >:3 |
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| 07:24.45 | Shirik | krka: In the US, we consider Civil Engineers to be the people that design roads, bridges, etc. |
| 07:25.31 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Engineering |
| 07:25.47 | Cairenn | levees, damns |
| 07:25.54 | Cairenn | dams* |
| 07:37.59 | End | ok |
| 07:38.07 | End | that's fucking awesome |
| 07:38.12 | End | I finally found zootfizzle! |
| 07:38.23 | End | Zootfizzle says: "No, not the cogs! Anything but the cogs!" |
| 07:38.24 | End | :D |
| 07:40.27 | Cairenn | hehehe, yeah |
| 07:43.10 | End | noo, world server down! |
| 07:43.16 | End | nooo, stampyyyyyy! |
| 07:43.29 | End | he was the bestest mammoth I rode into battle ever |
| 07:46.31 | Fisker- | Shirik i design bridges! |
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| 07:47.09 | Fisker- | btw |
| 07:47.17 | Fisker- | i have the bestest solutions against rising water levels |
| 07:47.19 | ccox | Just remember: mechanical engineers build weapons, and civil engineers build targets |
| 07:47.34 | Fisker- | lets all take BUCKIT and fill it with seawater and then pour it into our sinks |
| 07:47.42 | Fisker- | That'll solve the problem forevar |
| 07:51.23 | bleeter | Cairenn: did you know.. that under the beta EULA.. I'm technically breaking the rules? |
| 07:51.39 | Cairenn | why? |
| 07:51.47 | bleeter | Cairenn: I have Beta, from one invite, installed on my Linux box here, and on my Win32 lappy. According to the EULA, that's against the rules. |
| 07:51.54 | Cairenn | ah |
| 07:52.12 | bleeter | also |
| 07:52.20 | bleeter | I'm not allowed to download the beta client and distribute it |
| 07:52.42 | bleeter | so, I also broke the rules by speeding up a mate's d/l on the weekend by taking a USB drive around with the patches |
| 07:53.04 | bleeter | 'coz he was getting crap speed from torrents due to the 'unauthorised' error folks were getting |
| 07:53.40 | bleeter | anyways, gunna make some noise about this in CSF. I suspect these may be clauses hanging over from the Alpha. |
| 07:54.11 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 07:54.54 | Cairenn | technically I violate basically every single alpha and beta I've ever been in, but they know full well that by inviting me, it technically violates it, so ... |
| 07:55.20 | End | how does you being in the alpha automatically violate it? |
| 07:55.53 | zenzio | ... is it wrong to find it interesting to hear Cairenn speak of violating things? |
| 07:55.54 | ccox | bleeter - no, they keep them so they have justification to terminate, or to sue people who abuse much worse |
| 07:55.54 | Fisker- | oops :( |
| 07:56.10 | Cairenn | because basically ever alpha or (closed) beta has NDA as part of it, and one of the statements is typically you certify that "yadda yadda .... you aren't a member of the press or run a fansite" |
| 07:56.17 | End | ah |
| 07:56.25 | End | yeah, that figures |
| 07:56.33 | bleeter | Cairenn: but you don't run a fansite! |
| 07:56.35 | bleeter | it runs you |
| 07:56.39 | End | haha |
| 07:56.51 | Cairenn | because of those that love to violate the nda's, they have that clause in there so they can smack fingers |
| 07:57.32 | Cairenn | but we get invited to them anyway, because the game companies know they can trust us to not violate their nda's |
| 07:57.46 | bleeter | the NDA I had to sign for <non-specific company> was like slamming my willy into cupboard doors |
| 07:57.53 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:57.55 | bleeter | never seen so many bleeding clauses |
| 07:58.01 | ccox | but they're usually pretty particular about who they invite from the press, or fansites |
| 07:58.13 | ccox | bleeter - try NDAs with fortune 100 companies |
| 07:58.14 | Cairenn | ccox: *nod* exactly |
| 07:58.27 | bleeter | ccox: It was ;) |
| 07:58.32 | End | how big was the list for alpha anyways? |
| 07:58.49 | ccox | bleeter - they make "enhanced interrogation" look pleasant |
| 07:58.54 | End | I imagine they were fairly particular about who they were inviting anyways :P |
| 07:59.04 | ccox | end - not so much for end users |
| 07:59.18 | ccox | I mean, dude, they let ME into the beta! |
| 07:59.23 | End | well |
| 07:59.24 | Fisker- | Cairenn that's a lie |
| 07:59.25 | End | that's beta :P |
| 07:59.41 | Fisker- | They don't invite you because they trust you not to break the NDA, cause you already have |
| 07:59.42 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 07:59.54 | ccox | of course, maybe they like testers who point out the bugs in their assembly code :-) |
| 08:00.12 | bleeter | ccox: gotta say, though, that the legalese to get through to do the gaming technology I was doing in my 'past life', was more excruciating. NDAs with various governments around the world stacked as high as some tall person. Palm and feet prints, DNA swabs. Background checks in more countries than I care to think about, etc. etc. |
| 08:00.13 | ccox | (crap, northrend must be down) |
| 08:00.27 | ccox | bleeter - yep |
| 08:00.52 | ccox | bleeter - it could be worse, you could be defense contracting, or *shiver* doing intelligence work |
| 08:01.03 | Cairenn | try getting a security clearance with the military some time :p |
| 08:01.15 | End | ok god my plane's on fire! |
| 08:01.22 | bleeter | still, would've been nice for a certain customer to see the 'joke' in the flowchart where we sent all the cash to the lead banking systems' programmer... but they didn't |
| 08:01.55 | End | gah, poor timing! |
| 08:02.17 | bleeter | Cairenn: the security checks in the various EU countries was on a par with them. Only difference was I wasn't armed so skipped that bit ;) |
| 08:03.11 | bleeter | gotta say, walking past armed guards in the morning, through the bomb proof doorway and metal detectors.. certainly puts one in one's place for the right work ethic ;) |
| 08:03.43 | bleeter | scuse the language, but... it pretty much said 'We don't fuck around, so you shouldn't either' |
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| 08:04.40 | zenzio | interesting, enough Russians transferred from EU to Russian servers to make Blizzard decide to shut down four realms :-o |
| 08:05.20 | bleeter | iirc, three or four realms were effectively Russian anyways |
| 08:05.54 | Cairenn | bleeter: try getting hurt at work when that's what you went through every morning :p |
| 08:05.57 | zenzio | apparently so |
| 08:06.04 | Cairenn | I was working with an active sqn |
| 08:06.34 | Cairenn | what a pita that was when I was trying to go to work wearing multiple braces, etc |
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| 08:06.50 | Lyn | aye |
| 08:08.36 | Fisker- | i need to play spore |
| 08:08.38 | Fisker- | *blargh* |
| 08:09.59 | Lyn | *plays spore* |
| 08:10.27 | bleeter | WTB: Blizz logo next to system messages so these stupid '/em has reported you AFK, type /afk to remove the debuff' and similar stupidity stops |
| 08:10.42 | Fisker- | doesn't stop shit |
| 08:10.56 | Fisker- | if people are stupid enough to fall for those, they are stupid enough to fall for them even with the logo implemented |
| 08:11.06 | Fisker- | Lyn |
| 08:11.07 | Lyn | lol |
| 08:11.09 | Fisker- | i will destroy you |
| 08:11.15 | Lyn | I <3 you |
| 08:11.23 | Fisker- | giev spore |
| 08:11.30 | Lyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhh21Es9cdc&feature=related |
| 08:11.33 | Lyn | :D |
| 08:12.09 | Fisker- | fail |
| 08:12.12 | bleeter | Fisker-: do you ever plan to do anything apart from hang shit on me? |
| 08:12.16 | Lyn | you fail more! |
| 08:12.42 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 08:12.58 | Lyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADtNqlYqcEE this is madness |
| 08:13.23 | Fisker- | it's not you giving me spore |
| 08:13.25 | Fisker- | >:( |
| 08:14.13 | Lyn | i give you my spore :D |
| 08:14.14 | Lyn | xD |
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| 08:14.42 | Fisker- | you has not given anything :( |
| 08:14.56 | Lyn | awww.. poor fisker |
| 08:15.34 | Fisker- | i has key, all i need it has game :( |
| 08:15.49 | Lyn | I want to play Fallout 3 |
| 08:15.52 | Lyn | :< |
| 08:15.56 | Fisker- | that's not for another month or so |
| 08:16.30 | Lyn | :< |
| 08:16.50 | Lyn | fallout 3 on october... spore on september.. and so on :x |
| 08:17.27 | Fisker- | also stalker and X3 |
| 08:18.01 | Lyn | ah, stalker, yes. |
| 08:18.10 | Lyn | the delay sucks |
| 08:18.14 | Lyn | x3? |
| 08:20.19 | Cairenn | sweet dreams ccox|sleep :) |
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| 08:23.10 | Lyn | lallaa |
| 08:23.11 | Fisker- | perhaps for you Lyn |
| 08:23.15 | Fisker- | but only you are affected |
| 08:23.16 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 08:23.23 | Lyn | hrm? |
| 08:23.27 | Fisker- | actually you're not |
| 08:23.29 | Fisker- | you just suck |
| 08:23.46 | Lyn | speaking in miracles you do, young padawan |
| 08:24.46 | Fisker- | read you don't, young padawan |
| 08:24.53 | Fisker- | the game isn't delayed for you |
| 08:24.58 | Lyn | it is. |
| 08:25.04 | Fisker- | it isn't |
| 08:25.08 | Lyn | it is |
| 08:25.11 | Fisker- | it isn't |
| 08:25.16 | Lyn | august 29 on amazon.DE (!) |
| 08:25.19 | Lyn | but then |
| 08:25.21 | Lyn | on 29. |
| 08:25.24 | Lyn | its september 5 |
| 08:25.25 | Lyn | so it is. |
| 08:25.34 | Fisker- | that delay is old news |
| 08:26.54 | Lyn | doesnt change the fact that it is delayed :p |
| 08:27.18 | Fisker- | We all know which delay you were referring to |
| 08:27.21 | Fisker- | Stop covering your ass |
| 08:27.35 | Lyn | stop QQ fisker :p |
| 08:27.40 | Fisker- | end communication |
| 08:27.47 | Lyn | good. |
| 08:28.12 | Fisker- | giev spore btw |
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| 08:32.18 | starlon | Why do some addons light up red in the beta client? Load out of date addons is checked. |
| 08:32.42 | Lyn | TOC is pre 30000? |
| 08:32.50 | starlon | Nope, I adjusted that. |
| 08:33.09 | Lyn | then.. dunno |
| 08:33.34 | starlon | Ah it's load on demand. I seem to remember discussion about this. |
| 08:34.31 | haste | it's really deps in general |
| 08:34.48 | starlon | The lib has no deps. |
| 08:35.12 | Punkie | howdy |
| 08:35.32 | Lyn | hussa |
| 08:36.42 | Punkie | what's the crack |
| 08:43.11 | Kalroth | butt? |
| 08:43.16 | Syzgyn | WTB the ability to pick a Dev's brain on achievement API stuff |
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| 09:22.41 | clad|sleep | wow |
| 09:23.14 | clad|sleep | i want to write a dissertation on the idiocy of people in EOTD |
| 09:23.16 | clad|sleep | EOTS |
| 09:23.26 | nevcairiel | not only there |
| 09:24.20 | clad|sleep | No, it really is the worst there |
| 09:25.24 | clad|sleep | I dont mind so much when people rush the flag.. but when they do.. and its a 3v1 fight in our favor.. they back up instead of engaging. |
| 09:25.30 | clad|sleep | its fucking PVP.. dying doesn't cost you anything |
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| 09:26.43 | cladhaire | And every single match the horde sends 4-6 to MT.. do we ever leave more than 2 people to defend it? no! |
| 09:26.50 | cladhaire | I hate when its the daily.. |
| 09:26.59 | cladhaire | we've had a good run of AV being the daily this weekend :P |
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| 09:33.24 | sixcorners | : \ I never did the AV dailys.. |
| 09:33.38 | sixcorners | << aliance |
| 09:33.41 | sixcorners | alliance |
| 09:33.42 | cladhaire | I am alliance |
| 09:33.49 | cladhaire | why does that matter? |
| 09:34.04 | sixcorners | isnt AV alliance owned? |
| 09:34.14 | sixcorners | just saying, ive been missing the easy honor : \ |
| 09:34.26 | cladhaire | that depends on the BG |
| 09:34.28 | torokokill | having both alliance and horde characters i find that there are more idiots in that particular battleground on the side i'm playing on |
| 09:34.41 | sixcorners | lol |
| 09:34.59 | torokokill | they're on the same battlegroup too, which perplexes me |
| 09:35.10 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:35.26 | nevcairiel | You cant win any PUG BG on alliance in my BG |
| 09:35.33 | nevcairiel | except maybe sometimes AV |
| 09:35.37 | cladhaire | we can win AV |
| 09:35.38 | cladhaire | that's it |
| 09:35.39 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 09:35.42 | torokokill | that's so depressing |
| 09:35.44 | cladhaire | My BG is too competitive |
| 09:36.01 | torokokill | i tried doing that on my gnome warrior, got fed up and transfered her to another battlegroup |
| 09:36.25 | torokokill | one where the alliance doesnt start bickering half way through the game and give up |
| 09:36.37 | torokokill | "oh we're slightly losing lets give up and let them win" |
| 09:36.43 | torokokill | rage rage rage |
| 09:37.13 | torokokill | perhaps if blizzard rewarded time investment better in battlegrounds |
| 09:37.27 | torokokill | some sort of linear scaling of the tokens based on time |
| 09:37.51 | torokokill | rewarding fighting to the bitter end rather than giving up and losing a quick game |
| 09:40.04 | cladhaire | or we could just make premades |
| 09:40.09 | cladhaire | then its fun again |
| 09:41.12 | torokokill | mm |
| 09:41.22 | torokokill | i say |
| 09:41.34 | torokokill | revert everyone to pre-tbc and level 60 |
| 09:41.49 | torokokill | let me keep my t3 and 2.0, so i run around throwing gear at everyone |
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| 09:42.15 | torokokill | now that was fun |
| 09:45.55 | Punkie | pvp in wow = carebears |
| 09:46.30 | Punkie | i wish you could kill people of your own faction even if it flagged you so that you couldnt go into a city for like an hour |
| 09:47.03 | torokokill | it'd be nice, wouldn't it? |
| 09:47.22 | torokokill | i used to get alliance priests who visited org to mind control people i didnt like |
| 09:47.25 | torokokill | then i'd kill them |
| 09:47.34 | Esine | i wish you could kill people and npcs of your own faction even if it flagged you so that you couldnt go into a city forever |
| 09:48.39 | Punkie | i'd mainly kill hunters or mages that quickly tag every last mob in existence in front of me just because i'm melee |
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| 10:03.40 | sixcorners | least your not a lock |
| 10:04.20 | sixcorners | you dot em and I still tag em : \ |
| 10:04.44 | sixcorners | most of the time not intentionally tho.. |
| 10:05.24 | sixcorners | anyone here from aggramar? |
| 10:05.40 | sixcorners | :( |
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| 10:13.42 | Esine | what's the normal ping in the U.S. servers you get? non-beta |
| 10:14.04 | Esine | because I'm getting around 16 ms normally on EU ones and I'm told it's exceptionally low |
| 10:14.22 | Esine | and I'm like 2-3k kilometers away from the servers (france) |
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| 10:14.58 | cladhaire | I got about 34 on US |
| 10:15.00 | cladhaire | I get 45 on EU |
| 10:15.37 | Mera | 350 me from france to usa |
| 10:16.16 | Fisker- | cladhaire has a portal gun |
| 10:16.19 | Fisker- | cheater |
| 10:16.25 | cladhaire | truth |
| 10:16.28 | Esine | 45 ms across the atlantic? nice |
| 10:16.46 | cladhaire | I meant i used to get that |
| 10:16.49 | cladhaire | when I was in the states |
| 10:16.59 | Esine | ah |
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| 11:11.09 | zenzio | considering Google is being unhelpful, I don't suppose anyone knows of a tool to create HTML image maps from an SVG picture? |
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| 11:21.11 | hardw1re | zenzio: have you tried using GIMP ? |
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| 11:21.55 | zenzio | hardw1re: hm, didn't think of that, will have to try at least. Thanks for the tip |
| 11:22.07 | hardw1re | no probs |
| 11:25.55 | doow | just a wild shot, but maybe inkspace can do it |
| 11:28.35 | zenzio | not as far as I could see (both programs) :-/ |
| 11:28.55 | hardw1re | GIMP has a tool in it for doing area maps for images, i use it at work |
| 11:29.17 | hardw1re | i think its under web tools in the filters menu |
| 11:31.25 | hardw1re | lol hmmm The Regex Coach can't handle a large chunk of a saved variables |
| 11:41.19 | zenzio | doesn't seem like the image map tool in GIMP will accept data from the image, nor the clipboard >.< At least I learned some new tricks with GIMP |
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| 13:47.40 | hardw1re | does the colour code go ARGB or RGBA? |
| 13:47.47 | nevcairiel | ARGB |
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| 13:50.10 | Kalroth | my colours goes ARGH |
| 13:50.19 | hardw1re | lol |
| 13:50.35 | Kalroth | Alpha, Red, Green, Hue |
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| 14:33.29 | zenzelezz | why hello there, peppy |
| 14:33.55 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzelezz. *hug* |
| 14:34.07 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 14:34.15 | haste | Kirkburn: the old wiki front-page looked better :p |
| 14:34.48 | sacarasc | haste: it's a wiki, change it back! |
| 14:35.01 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 14:35.08 | haste | I doubt I have access to the front page sacarasc |
| 14:40.48 | End | haha |
| 14:40.54 | End | "I have strong suspicions that death knight dps is completely OP, but I think we can tame that without redoing their trees." |
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| 14:46.19 | End | he slept logged on? |
| 14:46.45 | zenzelezz | most of the people in here don't disconnect to sleep |
| 14:47.00 | End | true dat |
| 14:47.24 | Lopeppeppy | That doesn't mean he's fully awake enough to appreciate a Peppy-pounce if he just woke up. |
| 14:47.49 | Fisker- | haste |
| 14:47.51 | Fisker- | i need spore |
| 14:48.05 | haste | no you don't |
| 14:48.22 | Fisker- | i do |
| 14:50.53 | zenzelezz | don't listen to him, he's just fishing for a second pounce |
| 14:51.14 | |Jelly| | Well, lets just say I wouldn't ... turn it down. |
| 14:51.34 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure you wouldn't, darlin'. But if you're not awake, snuggles are better. |
| 14:51.42 | |Jelly| | hehe |
| 14:53.13 | Lopeppeppy | I'm preparing to re-install WoW on my Vista laptop. Wish me joy and luck in the process.... |
| 14:56.43 | Dark_Elf | good luck and lots of joy |
| 14:57.39 | |Jelly| | ~framexml |
| 14:57.40 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
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| 15:32.24 | Kirkburn | haste o_O |
| 15:32.40 | haste | touhou.wikia.com D: |
| 15:33.14 | Fisker- | Kirkburn ! |
| 15:33.17 | Fisker- | haste ! |
| 15:33.17 | Fisker- | :D? |
| 15:33.19 | Fisker- | D:? |
| 15:33.20 | Fisker- | :( |
| 15:34.20 | Kirkburn | haste, ah, fair enough - you can still tweak, so long as it keeps the column tags |
| 15:34.26 | Fisker- | filter list for what? >:3 |
| 15:34.35 | haste | but it looks horrid with column |
| 15:35.30 | Anaral | For Mac users, what is a good IRC client? |
| 15:35.53 | Fisker- | mirc |
| 15:35.53 | Fisker- | >:D |
| 15:37.04 | cbreak | I like colloqui |
| 15:37.13 | cbreak | colloquy :) |
| 15:37.19 | Anaral | Fisker-: LOL |
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| 15:58.00 | wereHamster | Shirik: aren't you into electronics? http://blog.makezine.com/basicelectronics.gif |
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| 16:06.05 | haste | I lol'd |
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| 16:20.09 | cog|away | 723295 |
| 16:20.15 | cog|away | erm |
| 16:20.21 | nevcairiel | authenticator, eh? |
| 16:20.21 | cog|away | least it wasn't my pw |
| 16:23.19 | Lopeppeppy | I am developing a Vista hate. *sigh* |
| 16:23.37 | End | >_> |
| 16:23.59 | Lopeppeppy | Will NOT let WoW through the firewall no matter how many ways I allow it. Rawr. |
| 16:24.08 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: give in to your hatred |
| 16:24.42 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 16:25.05 | Gnarfoz | fail at using your own computer :D |
| 16:27.16 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. I have the ports opened. I have WoW and the launcher listed on the firewall exceptions list. I'm running as Administrator. It's not in Program Files. |
| 16:28.06 | Lopeppeppy | Anything I'm missing? 'cause I had it working the first time I installed it, and this is all I had to do then. :( |
| 16:28.21 | cog|away | Lopeppeppy: sounds like something else is interfering |
| 16:28.25 | ScytheBlade1 | If you shut it off entirely, does that work? |
| 16:28.28 | cog|away | i've never had any problems with wow & firewall |
| 16:29.05 | cbreak | me neither. but I am not on vista :/ |
| 16:29.07 | Lopeppeppy | I've shut off the firewall too, but I'll try that one again. I didn't have a single issue the first time I installed WoW on this laptop, which irritates me to no end that it won't work this time. |
| 16:29.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe if you'd just quit playing on those private servers you wouldn't have these issues! |
| 16:29.39 | cbreak | do you have problems with ingoing or outgoing connections? |
| 16:29.49 | wereHamster | Lopeppeppy: disable the firewall alltogether |
| 16:29.58 | Lopeppeppy | Not a problem at all, cbreak. wereHamster, trying that now.... |
| 16:30.30 | wereHamster | reboot to be sure, windows requires that a lot, even if it doesn't tell you to |
| 16:30.45 | Lopeppeppy | brb then. *grin* |
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| 16:30.53 | Shirik | wereHamster: lol |
| 16:31.17 | cbreak | at least os x's poor excuse of an application level firewall has a log file |
| 16:31.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Windows does too |
| 16:31.42 | cogwheel | rofl |
| 16:31.51 | cogwheel | i've never seen teh pink elekks while drunk |
| 16:32.28 | Shirik | You know, I love being a TA for this one class. I get to see some of the strange things my professors do |
| 16:32.30 | Shirik | Such as this email |
| 16:32.51 | Shirik | Subject: Homework #1 due date has changed to Friday Sep 5 |
| 16:32.54 | Shirik | Body: |
| 16:32.56 | Shirik | <end> |
| 16:33.11 | Shirik | it took me a second to figure out wtf that was because I don't read subjects >.> |
| 16:33.26 | wereHamster | Shirik: did the semester already start at your university? |
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| 16:33.34 | Shirik | last week yeah |
| 16:33.45 | wereHamster | I just finished exams last week :) |
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| 16:36.06 | End | trying to create panoramas with noethrend's aurora borealises in it looks kinda weird... |
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| 16:37.47 | ScytheBlade1 | What was it? |
| 16:37.49 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, not even with the firewall turned off. What the hell. |
| 16:38.00 | ScytheBlade1 | What's WoW yelling at you by chance? |
| 16:38.03 | End | Lopeppeppy: what does it do...just fail to connect? |
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| 16:38.33 | Shirik | hi Lopeppeppy! |
| 16:38.35 | Lopeppeppy | "unable to connect" That''s all. |
| 16:38.38 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik! |
| 16:38.43 | End | live or beta? |
| 16:39.03 | Lopeppeppy | Attempting to install live on my Vista laptop. |
| 16:39.06 | End | oh yeah, this is your lappy |
| 16:39.06 | Lopeppeppy | Attempting. :) |
| 16:39.14 | End | peppy's lappy |
| 16:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | So many P's. :) |
| 16:39.26 | Gnarfoz | aurorae borealium btw |
| 16:39.33 | Gnarfoz | (I hate knowing that :X) |
| 16:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid question, your laptop is connected to the internet, yes? :) |
| 16:40.02 | alestane | Are you running IRC on your laptop? |
| 16:40.04 | wereHamster | no, that's why she's chatting with us through IRC |
| 16:40.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Could be on a desktop, I don't know :P |
| 16:40.54 | End | hm |
| 16:40.58 | Lopeppeppy | I'm here on the laptop on the internet, alestane. :) |
| 16:41.06 | Shirik | oh wereHamster, that's MAKE |
| 16:41.20 | wereHamster | what's MAKE ? |
| 16:41.21 | Shirik | they have some interesting things from time to time |
| 16:41.25 | Shirik | magazine |
| 16:41.49 | alestane | Can you traceroute your realmList okay? |
| 16:41.53 | Shirik | they're actually where we got the idea of which microcontroller to choose for our robot last year |
| 16:42.02 | wereHamster | I found the image on ffffound |
| 16:42.03 | Shirik | They REALLY like the Arduino boards |
| 16:42.17 | wereHamster | or better: I ffffound the image |
| 16:42.18 | Shirik | comes from here, obviously as in the image link: http://blog.makezine.com/ |
| 16:42.26 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I'm not even as far as selecting a realm. WoW has no access to the internet. But I can go upstairs and make sure the desktop goes to WoW okay. |
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| 16:44.03 | alestane | Error kicks in the moment you type your password and hit enter or click Login? |
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| 16:46.02 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: make is awesome, if not for Bre Pettis alone. :D |
| 16:48.20 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, correct. And the desktop connects to WoW just fine, so it's local to laptop Gryphon here. |
| 16:48.24 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Did you try wiping your WoW Cache folder and purging your DNS cache |
| 16:48.30 | alestane | ? |
| 16:48.45 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, this is a fresh install of WoW, so no cache. DNS cache, do you have directions to point me at? |
| 16:48.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: win+R, "ipconfig /flushdns" |
| 16:48.59 | zenzelezz | I wasn't paying enough attention, is it only WoW giving grief? |
| 16:49.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, do you have UAC enabled? |
| 16:49.24 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, yes UAC is enabled. |
| 16:49.29 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, yes, it's just WoW. |
| 16:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
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| 16:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm honestly not sure how you'd do that on a stock vista install, I always enable the admin account first :P |
| 16:50.05 | Shirik | have to open command prompt in admin mode |
| 16:50.14 | Shirik | start->type cmd, right click command prompt, run as admin |
| 16:50.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, that's one way to do it |
| 16:50.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I always use runas /user:Administrator |
| 16:50.45 | ScytheBlade1 | And with that user disabled by default... yeah |
| 16:50.51 | Shirik | There also used to be something like if you do ctrl+enter it would run as admin |
| 16:50.55 | Shirik | but that hasn't been working for me |
| 16:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | I really need to explore the UAC a lot more. I've only had Gryphon 2 weeks, this is the first problem he's given me. The first time I installed WoW it just worked, no fuss. This re-install.... WTF. |
| 16:51.49 | Shirik | Gryphon? |
| 16:52.02 | Lopeppeppy | Pet name for this bloody annoying laptop. :) |
| 16:52.07 | Shirik | but yeah, do that command |
| 16:52.18 | Lopeppeppy | Flushed DNS, still "unable to connect" |
| 16:52.30 | ScytheBlade1 | In that same cmd.exe window |
| 16:52.33 | Shirik | does it pop up immediately? |
| 16:52.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "tracert us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com" |
| 16:52.49 | Shirik | or is there even a tiny delay? |
| 16:53.05 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, it feels instant. |
| 16:53.48 | amro | japanese obama: http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=5987 |
| 16:54.46 | Shirik | if ScytheBlade1's suggestion turns up nothing, you may want to install wireshark |
| 16:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 16:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That's probably a bit much |
| 16:54.55 | wereHamster | Shirik: http://blog.makezine.com/operationalhamsterfier.gif <= I, as a hamster, don't like it! |
| 16:55.06 | Lopeppeppy | Trace complete, longest hop was 200mx at step 13. |
| 16:55.11 | Lyn | anyone knows a good torrent site? :o |
| 16:55.12 | Shirik | rofl! |
| 16:55.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: was that last hop to 12.129.224.114 ? |
| 16:55.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 16:55.56 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I'm out of options aside from that :) |
| 16:56.13 | nevcairiel | may be a stupid question, but windows firewall? *shrug |
| 16:56.24 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, I disabled that a few steps back, just to be sure. |
| 16:57.05 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: This may be overparanoid, but have you checked since you rebooted that Windows still in fact thinks the firewall is off? |
| 16:57.32 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, still off. |
| 16:57.40 | Fisker- | don't desert me Lopeppeppy |
| 16:58.17 | alestane | Is the laptop on wireless? |
| 16:58.54 | Lopeppeppy | It is, alestane. Think plugging it in would make any difference? |
| 16:59.01 | alestane | I would try it. |
| 16:59.12 | alestane | It will help us understand where the problem lies. |
| 16:59.21 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, upstairs I go.... |
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| 17:00.02 | zenzelezz | peppy, I found the problem: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/08/15/heersit-da-problum-u-has-a-bad-conexxshun/ |
| 17:01.28 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, you are soooo helpful! |
| 17:01.34 | End | isn't he? |
| 17:01.51 | alcaras | What is the texture behind the mainmenu bar in the default UI? The sort of gray stone for the action buttons? |
| 17:02.05 | Lopeppeppy | brb while I teach the laptop about hardline networks. |
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| 17:03.37 | Shirik | oh, Lua 5.1.4 released |
| 17:03.50 | Shirik | I missed that on the mailing list somehow :/ |
| 17:04.08 | Lopeppeppy | "unable to connect" |
| 17:04.28 | alestane | alcaras: http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/MainMenuBar.xml |
| 17:04.37 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: You've disabled the wireless? |
| 17:04.47 | Fisker- | nah Shirik |
| 17:04.54 | Fisker- | they don't want you on their fancy mailing list |
| 17:04.55 | alcaras | alestane: I've been looking at that file |
| 17:05.41 | alestane | Well, the standard action buttons are parented off of MainMenuBarArtFrame. |
| 17:06.33 | alestane | Peppy: I've just found that occasionally I need to be careful that it's really using the new connection. |
| 17:06.34 | alcaras | Ok; I just want my action buttons to have the same background the main menu does |
| 17:08.04 | alestane | Well, it's all in UI-MainMenuBar-Dwarf.blp |
| 17:08.32 | alcaras | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.38 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Does your router have a MAC address filter turned on, or something of the sort? |
| 17:08.40 | alcaras | (I'm clearly missing a step, I just don't know what it is) |
| 17:09.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: you should just quit playing on private servers. /nod |
| 17:09.18 | nevcairiel | for one, you need \\ |
| 17:09.32 | nevcairiel | then you need to position and size the texture |
| 17:10.03 | Seerah|away | otherwise the texture doesn't know where to go, and it has a size of 0,0 |
| 17:10.17 | alestane | Also, I don't think you want to submit the path as the texture's name. |
| 17:10.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: where do you have it installed to? |
| 17:10.53 | Seerah | oh yeah, that looked wrong, too :) |
| 17:11.17 | alcaras | hmm, how can i get at that texture then? |
| 17:12.26 | alestane | Working on a pastey, one second. |
| 17:12.35 | Seerah | CreateTexture(<name or nil>, <Draw Layer like Overlay, etc>) |
| 17:13.01 | Seerah | then SetWidth(), SetHeight(), SetTexture(), SetPoint() |
| 17:13.21 | End | Initially I always think draw layer comes first, so I always end up with textures called OVERLAY... >_> |
| 17:14.13 | Seerah | heh |
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| 17:14.46 | alestane | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/95232 That's your basic concept. |
| 17:15.09 | alcaras | ty |
| 17:16.22 | alestane | For texture names, you either have to double your backslashes or use [[long-bracket strings]]. |
| 17:17.47 | alcaras | ok, it looks like the mainmenu action bar doesn't texture each button, but rather the whole thing behind it (i guess) |
| 17:17.50 | alestane | Whenever using them in Lua, anyway. |
| 17:17.56 | alestane | That's correct. |
| 17:18.03 | alcaras | thanks, i think i have enough now to play around with this |
| 17:18.35 | alestane | But you can use SetTexCoord to make a texture that's just a slice of it, enough for one button, and then put one behind each button if you're so inclined. |
| 17:18.55 | alcaras | put it behind each button? |
| 17:19.07 | alcaras | i think the gaps i have in button placement will frustrate that |
| 17:19.14 | alcaras | better to make a frame behind all buttons |
| 17:19.16 | alcaras | and texture that |
| 17:19.58 | alcaras | not sure how to put one frame 'behind' another thogh |
| 17:24.28 | alcaras | anyway to repeat a texture? |
| 17:24.31 | alcaras | it seems to be stretching it atm |
| 17:25.00 | nevcairiel | with wotlk you can repeat it |
| 17:25.03 | nevcairiel | with live, not |
| 17:25.20 | alcaras | i'm on wotlk :) |
| 17:27.15 | nevcairiel | add true after |
| 17:27.16 | nevcairiel | er |
| 17:27.20 | nevcairiel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&sid=1&pageNo=4#78 |
| 17:27.34 | alcaras | ty |
| 17:30.22 | foxlit | This JPEG is annoying me: http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/Drone-WC.jpg |
| 17:30.59 | foxlit | It's extracted from one of the war3 unit skin BLPs, yet something is very, very wrong with how it's rendered. |
| 17:32.08 | alcaras | one more question: how do i set the z-layer? my frame (and texture) is showing up behind the default xp bar |
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| 17:38.44 | ScytheBlade1 | alcaras: :SetLevel() or frame parenting |
| 17:39.02 | alcaras | wowwiki has nothing on setLevel :-/ |
| 17:39.10 | foxlit | That's because it's SetFrameLevel |
| 17:39.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a frame method |
| 17:39.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That's it |
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| 17:40.20 | alcaras | how do i learn what framelevel another frame is at? |
| 17:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | GetFramelevel() would be my guess |
| 17:41.49 | alcaras | nice, thanks :) |
| 17:43.33 | Fisker- | >:3 foxlit ? |
| 17:43.36 | Fisker- | it's empty here |
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| 17:55.47 | cladhaire | !api FrameL |
| 17:55.47 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'FrameL'. |
| 17:55.53 | cladhaire | !api level |
| 17:55.53 | lua_bot | Found 12 possible results for 'level': DeclineLevelGrant, CanGrantLevel, GetAvailableLevel, VoiceChat_GetCurrentMicrophoneSignalLevel, UnitLevel, AcceptLevelGrant, GetAccountExpansionLevel, SetTradeSkillItemLevelFilter, GetActiveLevel, GetTrainerServiceLevelReq, GetTradeSkillItemLevelFilter, GrantLevel |
| 17:56.02 | cladhaire | oh, durr |
| 17:56.06 | cladhaire | frame function, not api |
| 17:56.10 | Shirik | yay |
| 17:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 17:56.12 | Shirik | attuned to hyjal |
| 17:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | 13:39 < ScytheBlade1> It's a frame method |
| 17:56.17 | Shirik | finally |
| 17:56.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: grats on failure |
| 17:56.27 | Shirik | My guild never does T5 >< |
| 17:56.32 | End | haha, I'm still not "attuned" to hyjal |
| 17:56.33 | Shirik | we're like "ok let's kill illidan again" |
| 17:56.35 | End | I'm attuned to BT though :P |
| 17:56.42 | Shirik | "eew kael" |
| 17:56.42 | End | even have the blessed medallion |
| 17:56.58 | Shirik | I'm really pissed that I can't get that neck though |
| 17:57.03 | Shirik | nobody wants to run to FLK |
| 17:57.04 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't? |
| 17:57.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 17:57.12 | zenzelezz | I just managed to get attuned to SSC and TK the week before they lifted those attunements |
| 17:57.14 | foxlit | FLK? |
| 17:57.19 | End | We're doing SSC and TK tonight to get people the necklace :-/ |
| 17:57.25 | zenzelezz | Fathom Lord Karathress |
| 17:57.35 | Shirik | Oh, we did something like that End |
| 17:57.38 | foxlit | ie SSC :) |
| 17:57.41 | Shirik | It was supposed to be this one week |
| 17:57.48 | Shirik | the week before that, school called me to come up to boston |
| 17:57.52 | End | ah |
| 17:57.54 | Shirik | and as a result "Because we didn't have enough healers" |
| 17:58.00 | Shirik | They pushed the run up a week |
| 17:58.02 | Shirik | WHILE I WAS IN BOSTON |
| 17:58.08 | End | lol |
| 17:58.10 | Shirik | and now everyone's attuned except me |
| 17:58.25 | End | I'm a little worried we might not even be able to do it tonight |
| 17:58.35 | End | it's labor day and all |
| 17:58.43 | zenzelezz | I was proud to be attuned to TK, even if I only made it through heroic SH thanks to a group full of people from the second best guild on my realm (who were already clearing T5) |
| 17:58.56 | foxlit | more shameless plugging >> http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/Drone-WC.jpg |
| 17:59.24 | foxlit | Tell me why the JPEG fails to render properly, win awesome virtual prizes. |
| 17:59.48 | zenzelezz | fails to render? |
| 18:00.23 | End | it renders like a jpeg to me! |
| 18:00.50 | foxlit | The question, however, is what you actually see |
| 18:00.53 | End | looks like some sort of..fish...thing? I can't really tell, it's just a skin |
| 18:01.02 | foxlit | Is it http://browsershots.org/screenshots/5bf09cfcda8e21e4fe0bc227142b6666/ ? |
| 18:01.14 | Shirik | in blue |
| 18:01.15 | Shirik | and black |
| 18:01.22 | Shirik | actually it looks like the colors are inverted |
| 18:01.30 | foxlit | so http://browsershots.org/screenshots/9011b7611ccab9c6327a87e0f655db82/ |
| 18:01.31 | zenzelezz | looks like one of the eye monsters or part of a dog |
| 18:01.40 | foxlit | also http://browsershots.org/screenshots/38661590d5ff199bcd72ec4c04264d2c/ |
| 18:01.44 | End | yeah, it looks inverted from what you see |
| 18:02.02 | End | ah |
| 18:02.04 | End | so you' |
| 18:02.14 | End | so you're saying there is something weird with the jpeg? |
| 18:02.14 | foxlit | Or the ever popular http://browsershots.org/screenshots/6783046f4b56f0c7303af904af660207/ "I won't render this at all" |
| 18:02.41 | Shirik | to me it's what opera shows, but inverted |
| 18:02.55 | Shirik | In Fx3 |
| 18:02.59 | zenzelezz | shows blue on black for me, FF3 |
| 18:03.13 | End | yeah, firefox 3 here as well |
| 18:03.22 | foxlit | Yeah, FF3 seems to have settled on blue-on-black. |
| 18:03.24 | End | IE7 hates it |
| 18:03.30 | End | [X] mark |
| 18:03.38 | foxlit | IE/FF2 derivatives whine about the file being invalid |
| 18:04.18 | End | hm |
| 18:04.20 | End | opens fine in gimp |
| 18:04.31 | foxlit | I believe it's actually supposed to be red-on-black |
| 18:04.42 | cladhaire | weird! |
| 18:04.53 | End | the jpeg probably is all screwed up |
| 18:05.13 | foxlit | That much I could gather, End :) |
| 18:05.20 | foxlit | The question is how, and why. |
| 18:05.21 | End | :P |
| 18:05.44 | End | gthumb matches safari |
| 18:05.49 | End | and does it matter why? |
| 18:06.03 | foxlit | Yes, it does -- I'd like to fix it :) |
| 18:06.32 | Shirik | WOW |
| 18:06.36 | Shirik | this is a pretty cool picture |
| 18:08.15 | Shirik | funny thing, foxlit |
| 18:08.20 | Shirik | my test suite says that JPEG is valid |
| 18:09.08 | foxlit | It may well be |
| 18:09.20 | Shirik | then why is it rendered differently by everyone >< |
| 18:09.46 | foxlit | My working theory is that blizzard abused a nasty non-standard extension to get alpha channel into that format |
| 18:10.10 | Shirik | oh that's a blizzard thing? |
| 18:10.29 | foxlit | It's extracted from a BLP that's supposed to plug into War3 |
| 18:10.51 | Esine | opera shows it fine :)0 |
| 18:11.04 | Shirik | "this software have been tested by datapicks.com team against viruses, spyware, adware and was founded to be 100% clean." |
| 18:11.09 | Shirik | Tell me |
| 18:11.15 | Shirik | does that raise your confidence about the file? |
| 18:11.31 | batrick | how can something be less than 100% clean? |
| 18:11.40 | batrick | it's either infected or not infected |
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| 18:11.43 | Shirik | I was more worried about the "founded" |
| 18:11.54 | batrick | he |
| 18:11.56 | batrick | heh |
| 18:12.17 | Duman | engrish |
| 18:12.53 | End | ok |
| 18:13.13 | End | yeah it's a CMYB image |
| 18:13.25 | End | instead of being RGB |
| 18:13.31 | Shirik | interesting |
| 18:13.58 | Shirik | so is Fx3 displaying it properly? |
| 18:14.02 | foxlit | End: I thing it's actually RGBA |
| 18:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | What image? |
| 18:14.07 | End | foxlit: /nod |
| 18:14.10 | End | my thinking too |
| 18:14.15 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 18:14.17 | Shirik | so they used CMYB |
| 18:14.27 | Shirik | but instead of C, M, Y, and B, they put the R, G, B, A bits in their place |
| 18:14.28 | Ackis | wow http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2124/wowscrnshot082708222746ks8.jpg 32 person multibox |
| 18:14.33 | End | yes, imagemagick says it's CMYB |
| 18:14.37 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 18:14.37 | End | but yeah |
| 18:14.43 | Duman | LOL |
| 18:14.48 | End | it's just different meanings for the channels :P |
| 18:14.55 | foxlit | OSX Preview suggests CMYK |
| 18:14.58 | Shirik | yeah well when something tries to actually use those :P |
| 18:15.08 | Shirik | yeah it makes sense, because CMYK would give you an extra byte tow ork with |
| 18:15.15 | Shirik | (per pixel) |
| 18:15.22 | foxlit | [in JPEG?!] |
| 18:15.24 | End | <3 imagemagick |
| 18:15.41 | End | I might be able to decompose the image into seperate channels |
| 18:15.41 | foxlit | Extra channel, in any case |
| 18:15.50 | Shirik | JPEG has CMYK support :) It's just never used |
| 18:16.01 | End | (gimp won't do it though, it just converts to RGB automatically >:( ) |
| 18:16.08 | foxlit | I'm more objecting to the "extra byte" given how JPEG encoding works |
| 18:16.15 | Shirik | oh I don't know that |
| 18:16.27 | Shirik | Well, maybe not an extra byte |
| 18:16.56 | Ackis | is a NVIDIA 9800GX2 a good card? |
| 18:17.04 | Shirik | I don't know JPEG's encoding scheme, I just know CMYK is supported. So perhaps in the space you would fit RGB you instead split into 4 for CMYK? |
| 18:17.09 | Duman | ackis: uh, yes :) |
| 18:17.20 | Shirik | which would result in less possible values per component |
| 18:17.24 | Shirik | but in the end, same color depth |
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| 18:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | whoa |
| 18:17.38 | foxlit | That's probably the trick |
| 18:17.38 | Shirik | I should probably learn JPEG |
| 18:17.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought you died |
| 18:17.45 | Ackis | Duman: how can I find out if it would work on my motherboard/powersupply? |
| 18:17.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 18:17.47 | Duman | it's the zoot! |
| 18:17.50 | Shirik | he was here yesterday, ScytheBlade1... |
| 18:17.55 | Shirik | l2seeninja |
| 18:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I know |
| 18:18.07 | Duman | Ackis: just google for the model number :) (look for reviews) |
| 18:18.12 | foxlit | Shirik: my problem is mainly that I abuse someone else's JPEG encoding/decoding code, so fixing it might get tricky |
| 18:18.14 | Duman | or check the nvidia homepage |
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| 18:18.30 | [Liquidor] | hi |
| 18:18.30 | Zootfizzle | XD |
| 18:18.40 | Zootfizzle | End, this aggression will not go unpunished ;) |
| 18:18.44 | End | hehe |
| 18:18.45 | Duman | I have 9800GTX |
| 18:18.50 | Duman | the card needs mad power |
| 18:18.57 | Duman | and it barely fit in my case |
| 18:19.04 | foxlit | Ackis: PCI-E is a keyword as far as your motherboard is concerned |
| 18:19.06 | Shirik | lua> options = {["McDonald's"] = 1, ["Wendy's"] = 3, ["Burger King"] = 2, ["Chick-Fil-A"] = 3, ["Propeller's"] = 2, ["Einstein Bagles"] = 2}; local choices = {}; for k,v in pairs(options) do for x = 1, v do table.insert(choices, k) end end; return choices[math.random(#choices)] |
| 18:19.07 | lua_bot | Shirik: Burger King |
| 18:19.09 | Zootfizzle | If you ever find a Lua error in game caused by a commented out end, then you'll know who to blame. |
| 18:19.12 | Shirik | wtf is with Lua and Burger King... |
| 18:19.20 | Duman | haha |
| 18:19.21 | End | lol |
| 18:19.25 | Gnarfoz | 9800gx2 sounds wasteful, rather get one 260 or 280 ^^ |
| 18:19.35 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you forgot to seed it |
| 18:19.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Zoot: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Wrath/WoWScrnShot_080508_173108.jpg |
| 18:19.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I lol'd |
| 18:20.00 | Shirik | shouldn't matter should it? |
| 18:20.00 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 18:20.04 | Shirik | it's a persistent state |
| 18:20.09 | End | yeah, I got there last night :D |
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| 18:20.15 | Shirik | lua> math.random(100) |
| 18:20.15 | lua_bot | Shirik: 40 |
| 18:20.16 | Shirik | lua> math.random(100) |
| 18:20.17 | lua_bot | Shirik: 61 |
| 18:20.18 | Shirik | lua> math.random(100) |
| 18:20.19 | lua_bot | Shirik: 48 |
| 18:20.28 | Ackis | foxlit: my concern was that it's a SLI card or something |
| 18:20.29 | Arrowmaster | lua_bot was bugged before and if you didnt seed it you would always get the same result |
| 18:20.51 | End | then I delivered Zootfizzle a mammoth |
| 18:20.54 | cladhaire | its not a persistent state |
| 18:20.55 | cladhaire | actually |
| 18:20.58 | Shirik | o.O |
| 18:20.59 | cladhaire | dunno why its differing :P |
| 18:21.20 | Shirik | cladhaire invented truly random numbers |
| 18:21.25 | cladhaire | woot! |
| 18:21.31 | Shirik | nobel prize imo |
| 18:21.35 | Arrowmaster | lua> math.randomseed(1) |
| 18:21.35 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: No output |
| 18:21.44 | Arrowmaster | lua> math.random(100) |
| 18:21.44 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 80 |
| 18:21.47 | Arrowmaster | lua> math.randomseed(1) |
| 18:21.48 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: No output |
| 18:21.50 | Arrowmaster | lua> math.random(100) |
| 18:21.50 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 44 |
| 18:21.53 | Arrowmaster | he did |
| 18:21.54 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:22.11 | End | wow |
| 18:22.12 | cladhaire | how odd |
| 18:22.14 | cladhaire | lol |
| 18:22.24 | nevcairiel | maybe it internally factors time in or something |
| 18:22.26 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 18:22.27 | End | I saw cogwheel's npc earlier but I didn't even notice at the time |
| 18:22.42 | Shirik | does cladhaire have that wow pack installed? |
| 18:22.52 | Shirik | lua> return strjoin |
| 18:22.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x808fc18 |
| 18:22.56 | Shirik | looks like it |
| 18:23.02 | Shirik | Maybe that automatically seeds like wow? |
| 18:23.04 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:23.08 | Shirik | I dunno I don't use it :) |
| 18:23.10 | cladhaire | lua> string.dump(strjoin) |
| 18:23.11 | lua_bot | cladhaire: LuaQ |
| 18:23.18 | cladhaire | its implemented in Lua |
| 18:23.21 | cladhaire | its stock |
| 18:23.38 | cladhaire | 5.1.3 |
| 18:23.39 | cogwheel | End: it's not my npc |
| 18:23.43 | Shirik | it is? |
| 18:23.57 | cladhaire | yes |
| 18:23.57 | End | cogwheel: no? |
| 18:24.07 | Arrowmaster | you should upgrade to 5.1.4 |
| 18:24.11 | cogwheel | Specialist Cogwheel is a coincidence |
| 18:24.12 | ScytheBlade1 | End: he just doesn't want to be female |
| 18:24.16 | End | ScytheBlade1: haha |
| 18:24.26 | End | cogwheel: sure ;-P |
| 18:24.30 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: no? |
| 18:24.32 | Shirik | (a) if it were in Lua, shouldn't string.dump throw an error, and (b) It's not in the manual :/ |
| 18:24.44 | cladhaire | Shirik: ... |
| 18:24.45 | cladhaire | its lua code |
| 18:24.49 | cladhaire | string.dump ONLY dumps lua code. |
| 18:24.50 | Arrowmaster | lua> print(unpack({1,2,3}, 0, 2^31-3)) |
| 18:24.50 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: too many results to unpack |
| 18:24.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:24.59 | cladhaire | ... |
| 18:25.03 | Shirik | and it's dumping it |
| 18:25.04 | cladhaire | what in the hell are you saying |
| 18:25.05 | cladhaire | yes |
| 18:25.07 | Shirik | therefore it must be Lua |
| 18:25.08 | cladhaire | BECUASE ITS WRITEN IN LUA |
| 18:25.10 | cladhaire | jesus |
| 18:25.11 | cladhaire | i already said that |
| 18:25.13 | Duman | LOL |
| 18:25.13 | cladhaire | nublet. |
| 18:25.16 | Shirik | So... why is it stock? |
| 18:25.21 | cladhaire | Jesus |
| 18:25.24 | cladhaire | the interpreter is stock |
| 18:25.25 | cladhaire | omn top of that |
| 18:25.28 | cladhaire | i did this cool thing called |
| 18:25.30 | cladhaire | WRITING FUNCTIONS |
| 18:25.33 | Shirik | woah! |
| 18:25.33 | cladhaire | and i export them into the sandbox |
| 18:25.36 | [Liquidor] | lua> math.randomseed(os.time()) |
| 18:25.36 | lua_bot | [Liquidor]: No output |
| 18:25.43 | Shirik | ok so YOU wrote it |
| 18:25.46 | End | cladhaire: madness |
| 18:25.53 | Shirik | you said it was stock! |
| 18:26.00 | cladhaire | I said the interpreter was |
| 18:26.06 | cladhaire | since that was teh question |
| 18:26.10 | cladhaire | "Do i use that wow pack or no" |
| 18:26.11 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:26.12 | cladhaire | i don't |
| 18:26.14 | cladhaire | its stock Lua |
| 18:26.18 | cladhaire | you tried to use strjoin as evidence |
| 18:26.21 | Shirik | bleh fine |
| 18:26.25 | cladhaire | so i showed you that it was written in Lua |
| 18:26.31 | cladhaire | psycho monkey boy |
| 18:26.35 | Shirik | cogwheel's pack is written in Lua too, isnt' it? |
| 18:26.37 | Shirik | again, haven't used it |
| 18:26.39 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 18:26.39 | cladhaire | no |
| 18:26.40 | cladhaire | it hasn't |
| 18:26.42 | cladhaire | its not a "pack" |
| 18:26.48 | cladhaire | its a patch to the Lua core |
| 18:26.51 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 18:26.51 | cladhaire | then you compile it |
| 18:26.52 | Duman | cogwheel is written in lua |
| 18:26.53 | cladhaire | yes |
| 18:26.55 | Shirik | fun |
| 18:26.59 | cladhaire | also |
| 18:27.01 | Shirik | I might have to look at this |
| 18:27.05 | cladhaire | I don't seed the randomizer anywhere. |
| 18:27.11 | cladhaire | so I have no idea how this is happening. |
| 18:27.12 | Shirik | so I go back to what I said eariler |
| 18:27.16 | Shirik | you invented truly random numbers |
| 18:27.17 | ccox | cladhaire - slow down, I think you lost the monkey boys |
| 18:27.20 | [Liquidor] | Drama?! |
| 18:27.29 | End | Drama Llama |
| 18:27.34 | [Liquidor] | Is it now we can ask questions? |
| 18:27.35 | Shirik | drama? o.O |
| 18:27.48 | Duman | lua is for FITE |
| 18:27.57 | cladhaire | jnwhiteh@wowforge:~/scm/ircbot.git$ lua -e "print(math.random(44))" |
| 18:27.57 | cladhaire | 37 |
| 18:27.58 | cladhaire | jnwhiteh@wowforge:~/scm/ircbot.git$ lua -e "print(math.random(44))" |
| 18:27.59 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: its probably seeded when you create a new lua process |
| 18:28.00 | cladhaire | 37 |
| 18:28.02 | Shirik | If drama is miscommunication then you really need to go join a guild :P |
| 18:28.09 | [Liquidor] | Question: What's math.random() + math.random() ? |
| 18:28.11 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: I control all of that |
| 18:28.31 | Sixen | Target Dummies in WotLK |
| 18:28.33 | Sixen | That's badass. |
| 18:28.44 | cladhaire | how odd! |
| 18:28.46 | Duman | they need some boss-level ones, but yes, they are nic |
| 18:28.47 | Duman | e |
| 18:29.06 | ccox | Sixen - huh? |
| 18:29.10 | Sixen | Agreed @ Duman |
| 18:29.16 | Duman | there are attackable target dummies now |
| 18:29.28 | Sixen | That. |
| 18:29.35 | ccox | hmm, for levelling weapon skill? How long do they last? |
| 18:29.53 | Duman | for whatever, and permanent |
| 18:30.05 | ccox | and what I really want in LK: some way to kill gold spammers in my own faction :-) |
| 18:30.16 | Arrowmaster | heard you cant level skill on them |
| 18:30.29 | Sixen | Correct, arrow. |
| 18:30.41 | Sixen | Weapon skill doesn't get levels from what i've seen, :( |
| 18:30.50 | ccox | then what's the point? |
| 18:31.15 | Duman | testing dps? I dunno |
| 18:31.17 | cladhaire | "Don't you think developers will be glad if they don't have to wait a couple of months until people finally notice how useful their addon is. With my idea, all it takes is just one guy in a raid or even only one guy on an entire server who has the addon to make it immediately work for everyone else he comes in contact with! There's no better promotion for your addon than others seeing it in action. With Omen, the |
| 18:31.20 | cladhaire | re's just nothing to see unless you have it." |
| 18:31.20 | Sixen | That, lol. |
| 18:31.22 | cladhaire | this is just the best thread ever |
| 18:31.37 | cladhaire | This guy actually thinks he's bein revolutionary |
| 18:31.38 | Duman | clad: which thread? |
| 18:31.39 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: link? |
| 18:31.41 | ccox | viral addons - just what we need |
| 18:31.53 | cladhaire | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14808.0 |
| 18:32.42 | Antiarc | Yeah, it was a bad idea when Kenco tried it, and it's a bad idea now. |
| 18:32.58 | [Liquidor] | That would be the dream of gold spammers |
| 18:33.01 | Duman | heh |
| 18:33.03 | alcaras | how can i check if 'Always Show ActionBars' is set? |
| 18:33.09 | cladhaire | "What I propose is an universal Turing machine, a dynamic scripting engine on each client, akin to scripting for webbrowsers. I agree that there are many security issues with this even when only accepting signed modules. Security experts recommend completely disabling scripting in webbrowsers because it's inherently a bad idea. But nobody ever said it wasn't useful. So fine, tell me that my idea is dangerous and |
| 18:33.11 | cladhaire | we'll discuss it. But don't tell me you don't see any use for it. That's just driving me nuts! " |
| 18:33.28 | Duman | heh |
| 18:33.33 | Antiarc | Me having access to your bank account would be useful too |
| 18:33.38 | Antiarc | Don't tell me it's dangerous! |
| 18:33.41 | Antiarc | It would be useful! |
| 18:34.18 | Duman | it migth be useful to exchange updates... assuming there is a way to verify authenticity |
| 18:34.27 | Duman | but even that is sketchy |
| 18:34.28 | [Liquidor] | There isn't |
| 18:34.34 | Antiarc | Updating WoW addons is mind-numbingly simple |
| 18:34.37 | Antiarc | There's no need for this. |
| 18:34.39 | Duman | I know |
| 18:34.43 | ccox | I see far more potential for abuse (and problems preventing it from working) than potential to help |
| 18:34.43 | Antiarc | Although -- |
| 18:34.44 | cladhaire | BUT THIS IS BETTER |
| 18:34.48 | Duman | heh |
| 18:34.49 | Antiarc | This brings me back to an idea I had the other day |
| 18:34.51 | cladhaire | THINK ABOUT SENDING EVERYONE OMEN AUTOMATICALLY SO THEY CAN USE IT! |
| 18:34.56 | Duman | OMG |
| 18:35.00 | Antiarc | A firefox extension that inspects Zip files when you download them |
| 18:35.23 | ccox | cladhaire - true, that might help some noobs, but if they're that dumb, would they know what to do with omen in the first place? |
| 18:35.30 | Antiarc | If a) the zip file is from a user-configured trusted source, and b) it contains a .toc file consistent with WoW's format, the user could be prompted to install the zip as an addon in WoW |
| 18:35.38 | cladhaire | THEN SEND THEM A WINDOW THAT TELLS THEM WHAT TO DO! |
| 18:35.40 | Antiarc | Which would effectively make zips act like Firefox's XPIs |
| 18:35.56 | Antiarc | Literally one-click installs and upgrades |
| 18:35.59 | Antiarc | :D |
| 18:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | "I'll just start converting addons into modules to get a good package and then let users decide whether they like it or not. That way it'll resolve itself." |
| 18:36.05 | [Liquidor] | I'll send you a trojan cladhaire, please allow me to send you data for load string |
| 18:36.06 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 18:36.19 | Antiarc | Hahaha, what |
| 18:36.19 | cladhaire | I DONT KNOW HOW TO RUN YOUR TROJAN PLEASE SEND AN INSTALLER |
| 18:36.25 | Antiarc | what r licenses |
| 18:36.29 | Antiarc | how i do copyrite |
| 18:36.33 | ccox | lol |
| 18:36.34 | foxlit | Meh, there's one very simple reason this won't work well |
| 18:36.35 | Shirik | lol cladhaire |
| 18:36.44 | End | well, and as Xinhuan mentioned, you can't copy media |
| 18:36.44 | foxlit | You can't transfer non-code assets. |
| 18:36.51 | End | yeah that |
| 18:36.53 | Antiarc | Meh |
| 18:37.06 | Antiarc | Except for graphics, fonts, and sounds, you can express an addon entirely in code |
| 18:37.11 | alcaras | how can i check if the Interface Option 'Always Show ActionBars' is set? |
| 18:37.30 | cladhaire | SO IMPLEMENT AN SVG RENDERER IN WOW |
| 18:37.35 | cladhaire | BAM! WE CAN SEND GRAPHICS! |
| 18:37.41 | [Liquidor] | Oh gawd alcaras, that gotta be your 5th time asking that question now? -.- |
| 18:37.47 | alcaras | only my 2nd time |
| 18:37.50 | ccox | cladhaire - that's on my list, right after I finish the PDF renderer in Lua |
| 18:37.57 | Antiarc | cladhaire: IMO we just need an addon that provides a 1024x1024 set of frames - pixels, if you will |
| 18:38.03 | cladhaire | MAKE SURE YOU MAKE A MODULE FOR IT |
| 18:38.03 | Antiarc | And then you can send data to said addon |
| 18:38.08 | Antiarc | And have the client render an image! :V |
| 18:38.11 | cladhaire | okay, I'm done with that :P |
| 18:38.32 | ccox | your capslock key thanks you |
| 18:38.38 | [Liquidor] | What about video rendering? binary maybe? |
| 18:39.20 | alcaras | [Liquidor]: is there a way to check it? |
| 18:39.30 | Shirik | ccox: Who uses caps lock these days, seriously |
| 18:39.39 | Shirik | I wish I could rip that key off my keyboard without leaving some kind of ugly mark |
| 18:39.45 | ccox | shirik - cladhaire apparently |
| 18:39.53 | Shirik | shift > caps lock |
| 18:40.05 | cladhaire | that was shift |
| 18:40.14 | cladhaire | caps lock is lazy |
| 18:40.28 | ccox | shirik - and me, when I'm typing a lot of caps, saved trying to jump hands back and forth between shift keys |
| 18:40.39 | ccox | l2type, noob :-P |
| 18:40.40 | Shirik | psh |
| 18:40.43 | Shirik | l2type u |
| 18:40.47 | Shirik | Or get longer fingers |
| 18:40.51 | cladhaire | I need caps + special chars.. caps lock gets in the way there |
| 18:40.56 | ccox | I average 100 wpm typing |
| 18:41.15 | Shirik | Is that supposed to be fast? :P |
| 18:41.27 | ccox | WHEN I NEED TO TYPE A LOT OF CAPS, LOCKING IS MUCH FASTER THAN JUMPING BACK AND FORTH |
| 18:41.34 | Shirik | You don't have to jump back and forth |
| 18:41.41 | Shirik | I TYPED THIS ENTIRE SENTENCE WITH RIGHT SHIFT HELD DOWN |
| 18:41.42 | cladhaire | NO ITS NOT, YOU JUST SUCK. THERE IS NO JUMPING BACK AND FORTH! |
| 18:41.46 | cladhaire | eew |
| 18:41.48 | cladhaire | who uses rshift |
| 18:41.52 | Shirik | ~lart cladhaire |
| 18:41.52 | purl | says "boot to the head" and knocks cladhaire over |
| 18:41.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 18:41.55 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 18:41.57 | End | I DO WHEN USING ALL CAPS |
| 18:42.05 | cladhaire | lshift > |
| 18:42.07 | cladhaire | all |
| 18:42.07 | Shirik | It depends on the first key I type with usually :P |
| 18:42.09 | ccox | you can type with one held down, just as you can type with one hand (like cladhaire usually does), or with two fingers |
| 18:42.26 | Shirik | ccox, and fact of the matter is |
| 18:42.34 | Shirik | if I can type just as fast as you, who's to say my way is "wrong" |
| 18:42.36 | End | that's what your pinky is for |
| 18:42.53 | ccox | shirik - if you can type just as fast, ok |
| 18:43.03 | Shirik | I'm tall and my fingers are long enough to support my style of typing |
| 18:43.05 | End | (I'm not really a touch typist though) |
| 18:43.08 | ccox | shirik - but for me, and lots of other touch typists, it slows you down |
| 18:43.38 | foxlit | BUT HEY, IT'S WOWACE FORUMS |
| 18:43.43 | End | hay |
| 18:43.44 | End | is for horses |
| 18:44.01 | foxlit | I'd be willing to accept that if it was IN ALL CAPS. |
| 18:44.24 | Shirik | anyway, shower + school time pz |
| 18:45.11 | Duman | school? |
| 18:45.20 | Duman | don't have today off? |
| 18:45.36 | Duman | oh, I guess he might not be in the US |
| 18:46.22 | Anaral | For Boomkins... which is higher priority haste or crit? I think crit, but maybe I'm missing something. |
| 18:46.52 | foxlit | Haste is very nice |
| 18:47.13 | haste | yes I am |
| 18:47.22 | Anaral | Heh |
| 18:47.28 | cladhaire | I love haste |
| 18:47.36 | haste | >:3 |
| 18:47.48 | Fisker- | i love haste even more |
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| 18:50.20 | alcaras | How do I figure out if the interface option 'Always Show ActionBars' is set? |
| 18:52.42 | Shirik | Duman: I work at the school |
| 18:52.49 | Shirik | and no, I never have a day off :P |
| 18:52.57 | Shirik|AFK | If I have a day off, I work on stuff :P |
| 18:53.29 | [dRaCo] | Anaral: theorycrafting suggests stacking haste after reaching ~1400 dmg |
| 18:55.26 | foxlit | Ended up being BGRA in stored as CMYK |
| 18:55.42 | Anaral | Yuck |
| 18:55.48 | Anaral | What about crit? |
| 18:55.50 | End | foxlit: oh, cool, you got the image fixed? |
| 18:56.02 | End | and by fixed I mean converted to a different format |
| 18:56.34 | foxlit | Meet my evil performance-killing code: http://pastey.net/95237 |
| 18:57.02 | Shirik|AFK | pokemon: Is electric super effective against flying? |
| 18:57.04 | alcaras | How can I get a frame to refresh after changing its attribute? |
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| 18:57.33 | foxlit | Shirik: no clue, but the Krakken may block your electric attack by surrounding itself with water. |
| 18:57.47 | Shirik|AFK | yes it is. Someone needs to teach Nintendo theory of electricity |
| 18:57.58 | Shirik|AFK | Something in flight has no ground, so how is any voltage applied going to do any damage? |
| 18:57.59 | Shirik|AFK | It isn't. |
| 18:58.08 | Shirik|AFK | That's why planes can't get struck by lightning |
| 18:58.19 | foxlit | Are you sure they can't? |
| 18:58.28 | foxlit | I mean, if you're flying through an already existing thunderstorm |
| 18:58.37 | Shirik|AFK | ok, let me adjust that statement: They theoretically could get struck, but if it were struck it would do nothing |
| 18:58.38 | foxlit | It seems that the path of least resistance would be through the fuselage |
| 18:58.41 | Shirik|AFK | the plane is at a floating voltage |
| 18:59.23 | Shirik|AFK | The path of least resistance would actually be through the already-ionized air :) The plane would have to be exactly where the lightning would strike at that time |
| 18:59.25 | foxlit | Although it really depends on whether planes conduct! |
| 18:59.36 | Shirik|AFK | they do, it's sheet metal |
| 18:59.42 | foxlit | Coatings and so on? |
| 19:00.14 | End | SetUIVisibility() does...what? |
| 19:00.14 | Shirik|AFK | valid point |
| 19:00.17 | Shirik|AFK | I would have to check with the ASMS guys but I don't think there's anything that would stop it |
| 19:00.56 | Shirik|AFK | AMS* |
| 19:01.02 | End | SetUIVisibility() apparently hides quest indicators and whatnot... |
| 19:01.02 | Shirik|AFK | whatever they call themselves |
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| 19:01.30 | ccox | foxlit - objective C and "performance killing" is redundant |
| 19:02.16 | Shirik|AFK | foxlit needs to join the masters of C++ |
| 19:02.28 | Shirik|AFK | where the cool kids play |
| 19:02.42 | ccox | even straight C would be better |
| 19:02.43 | Fisker- | Shirik|AFK |
| 19:02.46 | End | are they like the masters of the universe? |
| 19:02.48 | Fisker- | i want to learn of your techniques |
| 19:02.48 | foxlit | I'm not sure if the words "cool" or "kids" actually apply to anything having to do with C++ |
| 19:02.52 | Thunder_Child | sorry Shirik|AFK, you failed your bluf check |
| 19:02.56 | Fisker- | how do you use your keyboard while being away from it_ |
| 19:02.56 | Thunder_Child | bluff* |
| 19:02.58 | Fisker- | ? |
| 19:03.09 | Shirik|AFK | Fisker-: I told you I have long fingers |
| 19:03.12 | Shirik|AFK | REALLY long |
| 19:03.28 | foxlit | ccox: I'm not quite sure what to do with that in-depth performance analysis :) |
| 19:03.33 | Fisker- | :) |
| 19:03.46 | alcaras | How can I get a frame to refresh after changing its attribute? e.g. mybutton:SetAttribute("showgrid", 1) won't change, even though the attribute changes |
| 19:04.18 | cladhaire | you call the function that's responsible for making that change |
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| 19:04.28 | Shirik|AFK | hi again Lopeppeppy |
| 19:04.31 | Shirik|AFK | and bye |
| 19:04.34 | alcaras | cladhaire: how can i find out which focus that is? |
| 19:04.40 | alcaras | err function* |
| 19:04.45 | Lopeppeppy | Nooo, I fixed it Shirik! :) |
| 19:04.49 | cladhaire | look up what texture contains the grid |
| 19:04.57 | End | Lopeppeppy: what was wrong with your lappy? |
| 19:04.57 | cladhaire | and find which function shows/hides it via searching |
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| 19:05.23 | Lopeppeppy | It was Norton, which I had turned off, but apparently had kept a foothold into things. Since it was turned off it wouldn't let anything through... So I had to turn it on, let WoW through, and turn it off again. FFS. |
| 19:05.31 | alcaras | i'm afraid you've lost me |
| 19:05.45 | End | wow, that's annoying |
| 19:05.52 | Lopeppeppy | End: Extremely! |
| 19:06.13 | cladhaire | alcaras: ActionButton_ShowGrid(getglobal(barName.."Button"..i)); |
| 19:06.36 | cladhaire | found via "grep -ri showgrid" * |
| 19:08.47 | alcaras | ActionButton_ShowGrid(WasabiButtons[1]) doesn't work (Where WasabiButtons are CreateFrame("CheckButton", "WasabiButton"..id, WasabiFrame, "ActionBarButtonTemplate");) |
| 19:09.45 | cladhaire | Then you need to track your way through the default UI code to see what it does |
| 19:09.53 | alcaras | ok, i'm looking at it |
| 19:09.55 | cladhaire | If something that simple doesn't do it |
| 19:10.01 | cladhaire | just figure out how the default action butons do it, and you win :P |
| 19:10.04 | alcaras | issecure() probably is bad :p |
| 19:10.59 | cladhaire | well showing the grid isn't a secure action |
| 19:11.03 | cladhaire | so you can do it manually if nothign else. |
| 19:12.02 | alcaras | the thing is i'm doing exactly what the default ui does for HideGrid |
| 19:12.04 | alcaras | but it won't hide |
| 19:12.24 | cladhaire | pastey your code? |
| 19:12.25 | alcaras | show is working, however |
| 19:12.26 | alcaras | one sec |
| 19:13.15 | alcaras | http://pastey.net/95238 |
| 19:13.57 | cladhaire | don't just set the attribute |
| 19:14.00 | cladhaire | actually hide the texture |
| 19:14.44 | cladhaire | can you pastey ActionButton_ShowGrid() and ActionButton_HideGrid()? |
| 19:15.02 | alcaras | http://pastey.net/95239 |
| 19:15.48 | alcaras | all ActionButton_HideGrid does is set the attribute, as far as i can tell (since if there's an action in the button, it won't hide the button) |
| 19:16.01 | cladhaire | does an ActionButton have an OnAttributeChanged? |
| 19:16.37 | alcaras | no, but it has an ActionButton_Update |
| 19:17.06 | cladhaire | and which texture on the button has the grid? |
| 19:17.20 | alcaras | NormalTexture |
| 19:17.28 | Gnarfoz | gah my pally is broken :X |
| 19:17.32 | alcaras | i've modded my code ot hide the normal text, but macro names and keybindings still show |
| 19:17.35 | Zootfizzle | Alcaras: FWIW, I hate that code so much |
| 19:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | Gnarfoz, in what way? |
| 19:17.51 | alcaras | well, keybindings especially |
| 19:17.56 | alcaras | since they should disappear |
| 19:18.11 | alcaras | the weird thing is, if i save my grid state to a variable and load it on creation, i cna toggle by /reload ui ing |
| 19:18.16 | cladhaire | yes |
| 19:18.23 | cladhaire | because just setting teh attribute doesn't hide the grid |
| 19:18.35 | cladhaire | you need to find the code that actually does that, and call it if you want it to update |
| 19:18.43 | Gnarfoz | in that he has all 5 "Beacon of Light" spells (the old one, the new one, and the 3 internal ones that are supposed to heal the beacon when someone near it gets healed) - NONE of them do what Beacon of Light is actually supposed to do, and Illumination doesn't work, either |
| 19:19.04 | Lopeppeppy | Is this a broken quest thing? < -- not doing much betafun. |
| 19:19.11 | alcaras | Gnarfoz: beacon wouldn't work for me last night either, i went back to sheath |
| 19:19.22 | alcaras | http://pastey.net/95240 <-- ActionButton.lua |
| 19:19.30 | Gnarfoz | I only tried skilling holy because as Ret, I'm oom faster than I can spell my name |
| 19:19.54 | Gnarfoz | and while writing this: [Skulli] [Scourge Strike] hit [You] 9235 Shadow. (Critical) |
| 19:19.57 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.00 | alcaras | there's apparently an ActionBar_SHOWGRID and HIDEGRID event, but all those do when called is run ActionButton_HideGrid |
| 19:20.53 | Gnarfoz | alcaras: that's the weird thing. I talked to another pally who was amazed by how good Beacon was :X and he said his Illumination worked, too |
| 19:21.01 | cladhaire | and they're likely tied to the CVAR change, or the dragging I'm guessing |
| 19:21.21 | cladhaire | alcaras: ActionButton_Update doesn't trigger it? |
| 19:22.41 | foxlit | wee, it's time to taunt the WoWI approval process by submitting another binary |
| 19:23.20 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 19:24.47 | cladhaire | alcaras: What are you setting the "showgrid" attribetu to? |
| 19:24.49 | nevcairiel | ActionButton-fu is one of the higher arts of WoW API |
| 19:25.05 | nevcairiel | it gets confusing very easily |
| 19:25.37 | Mczootbama | The community is eager for action bar change! |
| 19:25.48 | nevcairiel | action bar change? |
| 19:25.50 | alcaras | 1 or 0 |
| 19:25.55 | [Liquidor] | cladhaire, wish you were him: http://i38.tinypic.com/dzjuco.gif |
| 19:25.58 | Mczootbama | And as a reformer, I will attempt to provide it for them, in a maverick like way using hope. |
| 19:26.13 | alcaras | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.15 | nevcairiel | Did i miss some rumors? :P |
| 19:26.17 | alcaras | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.21 | cladhaire | Then if and when you call ActionBar_HideGrid it should hide the grid. |
| 19:26.26 | cladhaire | if ( button:GetAttribute("showgrid") == 0 and not HasAction(button.action) ) then |
| 19:26.27 | cladhaire | 283 button:Hide(); |
| 19:26.28 | cladhaire | 284 end |
| 19:26.30 | Zootfizzle | :P |
| 19:26.45 | alcaras | ^-- that hides the button if there's no action on the button |
| 19:26.55 | cladhaire | yes, that's how the action bars hide themselves. |
| 19:27.01 | cladhaire | thats exactly what you want |
| 19:27.09 | alcaras | no, because i want to hide the _grid_ not the button |
| 19:27.09 | nevcairiel | the default ui doesnt really have its own "grid" |
| 19:27.17 | cladhaire | the grid is on the button |
| 19:27.23 | nevcairiel | alcaras: hide the normal texture |
| 19:27.35 | alcaras | nevcairiel: hiding the texture hides the grid, but not the keybindings |
| 19:27.39 | cladhaire | if you want to do it some other way, you need to do it manually |
| 19:27.44 | cladhaire | that's WHY the default UI hides the entire button |
| 19:27.52 | alcaras | just changing that attribute works, if i reload |
| 19:27.53 | nevcairiel | alcaras: hide the keybinding too? |
| 19:27.53 | Zootfizzle | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.55 | cladhaire | and why the keybinding gets hidden |
| 19:27.55 | alcaras | but not if i don't reload |
| 19:28.07 | alcaras | there has to be some 'refresh' function? |
| 19:28.16 | alcaras | cladhaire: no, look at that function |
| 19:28.20 | cladhaire | I am |
| 19:28.28 | alcaras | and (not HasAction(button.action)) |
| 19:28.35 | alcaras | that won't get called if there's an action on a button |
| 19:28.42 | alcaras | so the button won't get hidden if there's an action |
| 19:28.49 | cladhaire | yes, I am aware |
| 19:28.57 | cladhaire | Okay, let's look at the default action bar |
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| 19:29.00 | cladhaire | there is a background texture |
| 19:29.01 | cladhaire | so forget that |
| 19:29.02 | cladhaire | its just art |
| 19:29.10 | cladhaire | then there is the NormalTexture.. which contains the grid texture |
| 19:29.25 | alcaras | ok |
| 19:29.25 | cladhaire | and the fontstrings on top of it to show the keybinding |
| 19:29.29 | alcaras | how can i hide the keybinding? |
| 19:29.35 | cladhaire | That "grid" is hidden.. by hiding the entire button |
| 19:29.42 | cladhaire | if you want to do it differently, you have to code it yourself. |
| 19:29.48 | cladhaire | hide the keybinding! |
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| 19:30.09 | alcaras | i don't know how to access the button's keybinding |
| 19:30.12 | nevcairiel | <buttonname>HotKey:Hide() |
| 19:30.27 | cladhaire | you should look at the template, it'll show you all of that |
| 19:30.29 | nevcairiel | WasabiButton1HotKey:Hide() |
| 19:30.30 | nevcairiel | for example |
| 19:30.53 | nevcairiel | the xml template uses $parent all the time |
| 19:30.58 | nevcairiel | and just creates global frames |
| 19:31.03 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 19:31.10 | alcaras | ok, i got it working now |
| 19:31.25 | alcaras | working pastey: http://pastey.net/95241 |
| 19:31.38 | cladhaire | alcaras: What you are trying to do is different from what the default UI does |
| 19:31.42 | nevcairiel | (and thats why i dont use the action button template right now) |
| 19:31.45 | cladhaire | the fact that it works when you reload is a matter of the initalization code, etc. |
| 19:31.56 | cladhaire | therefore, you need to code it yourself if you want the actual behavior to be different, which you do |
| 19:32.21 | nevcairiel | btw, your version of showgrid will fail in combat |
| 19:32.30 | nevcairiel | if that matters |
| 19:33.01 | alcaras | time to learn how to figure out if i'm in combat or not |
| 19:33.06 | alcaras | so i can say 'Don't call me in combat' |
| 19:33.14 | nevcairiel | InCombatLockdown() |
| 19:33.20 | alcaras | that was easy :p |
| 19:33.23 | alcaras | ty cladhaire and nevcairiel |
| 19:33.36 | cladhaire | np :P |
| 19:33.40 | cladhaire | glad its working |
| 19:35.43 | Fisker- | hey |
| 19:35.56 | Fisker- | Blizzard needs to enable stream support again in WoW |
| 19:36.46 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 19:36.55 | haste | that was useful for changing tracks in-game also |
| 19:37.03 | nevcairiel | hehe true |
| 19:37.04 | Gnarfoz | ... global hotkeys ftw |
| 19:37.13 | Gnarfoz | I don't get what you'd need an ingame control for a music player for :D |
| 19:37.14 | nevcairiel | i just use the media buttons on my keyboard |
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| 19:37.21 | nevcairiel | or alt-tab =P |
| 19:37.23 | Gnarfoz | or something like that, if you have that |
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| 19:37.29 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz was more the idea itself was cool |
| 19:37.30 | haste | Gnarfoz: because evdev killed my media keys :D |
| 19:37.34 | Fisker- | not like i have a problem with it |
| 19:37.36 | Fisker- | was just cool |
| 19:37.37 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 19:37.45 | [Liquidor] | Babylon A.D. (2008) any good? |
| 19:37.45 | Gnarfoz | haste: /cry |
| 19:37.57 | haste | it sucks :( |
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| 19:38.09 | haste | I can't use X without evdev, and I can't use my media keys with it |
| 19:41.58 | Shirik | so Lopeppeppy |
| 19:42.00 | Shirik | what was the problem? |
| 19:42.53 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, it was Norton, which I had TURNED OFF! |
| 19:43.05 | Lopeppeppy | I had to turn it back on, allow my newly installed programs, and turn it back the (*&&%^% off. |
| 19:43.10 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:43.16 | Shirik | Norton is evil |
| 19:43.18 | nevcairiel | uninstall? |
| 19:43.18 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:43.28 | Shirik | it does very.... well, suffice to say, I consider some of the things it does to be malicious |
| 19:43.40 | Lopeppeppy | Norton has a bad history of not uninstalling properly, nevcairiel, which is why I didn't just uninstall it in the first place. |
| 19:43.45 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:43.51 | nevcairiel | it doesnt run properly either =P |
| 19:43.54 | Lopeppeppy | It's even harder to get around what it maliciously does, when the program isn't on your computer to even TRY to control it. |
| 19:46.26 | Gnarfoz | just come to terms with it: reinstall :p |
| 19:49.51 | Shirik | I love Burger King's stuff that they put on bags and cups |
| 19:50.37 | Shirik | "You always hear sports announcers talk about the 'sweet smell of success.' But none of them ever really explains what that smells like. We'd like to propose it's the scent wafting from this very bag. Of course, we could be wrong. But we don't think so" |
| 19:51.52 | Shirik | so... why can't root create new files in /dev :( |
| 19:51.55 | Lopeppeppy | Very nice. *laugh* |
| 19:52.41 | Cide | Shirik: I think it's telling you you're not a developer |
| 19:52.47 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:53.05 | Zootfizzle | I agree with Cide XD |
| 19:53.23 | Shirik | would someone who's not a developer run gdb on gdb?! |
| 19:53.25 | Shirik | I think not! |
| 19:53.38 | Zootfizzle | What if they were a POSER?! |
| 19:53.42 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:53.46 | Shirik | what are you implying :( |
| 19:54.08 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik... why would you run gdb on gdb anyway? That sounds inbred. :) |
| 19:54.19 | Shirik | because gdb is being evil |
| 19:54.26 | Lopeppeppy | It's inbred, what do you expect, dear? |
| 19:54.30 | Shirik | >< |
| 19:54.45 | Zootfizzle | Inbreeding is shorthand for evil eugenics |
| 19:55.29 | Shirik | shorthand...class? |
| 19:55.45 | Shirik | but you know what, I really have to give gdb some credit, it's kinda an amazing |
| 19:55.50 | Shirik | an amazing program* |
| 19:55.56 | Cide | like you can even run it |
| 19:56.00 | Shirik | I can! |
| 19:56.10 | Zootfizzle | purl, gdb is an amazing |
| 19:56.10 | purl | ...but gdb is already something else... |
| 19:56.10 | Lopeppeppy | Shorthand class, you heard me right. We had some secretarial skills classes in high school. No Home Ec, but some secretarial classes. |
| 19:56.12 | Shirik | What I REALLY like is that it trusts me |
| 19:56.21 | Arrowmaster | i dont even know what gdb is.... |
| 19:56.24 | Zootfizzle | :'( |
| 19:56.25 | Arrowmaster | ~gdb |
| 19:56.25 | purl | hmm... gdb is The GNU Debugger. URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/ or http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/ |
| 19:56.26 | Shirik | Like this here: |
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| 19:57.49 | Lopeppeppy | If you have a computer program that trusts you, that's a precious thing! |
| 19:57.52 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/95242 |
| 19:58.03 | sixcorners | wait.. this channel is also #wowi-lounge? |
| 19:58.03 | Shirik | The fact that it's willing to say "wtf are you talking about" but still trust me, and then figure it out later |
| 19:58.10 | Shirik | yes, sixcorners |
| 19:58.14 | sixcorners | oh.. : \ |
| 19:58.30 | Gnarfoz | this channel basically *is* wowi-lounge, since that channel redirects here now, permanently |
| 19:58.31 | Lopeppeppy | Just a little redirect/rename magic, sixcorners! |
| 19:58.56 | sixcorners | wow, this IRC stuff is more complicated than I thouht |
| 19:58.58 | sixcorners | thought |
| 19:59.04 | Lopeppeppy | Always is! :) |
| 19:59.18 | Gnarfoz | it's not like this makes stuff complicated for you :p |
| 19:59.37 | sixcorners | oh? I still down know how to use some of the bot stuff |
| 19:59.39 | sixcorners | !help |
| 19:59.39 | batbot | sixcorners: http://lua-users.org/wiki/BatBot |
| 19:59.44 | sixcorners | ooo.. |
| 20:00.28 | sixcorners | are you there foxlit? |
| 20:00.45 | foxlit | Usually, yes |
| 20:00.49 | sixcorners | :D |
| 20:01.07 | [Liquidor] | sixcorners seems like a happy boy tonight. |
| 20:01.08 | sixcorners | I want to ask a question about that UDF... GetPlayerBearing |
| 20:02.39 | sixcorners | err.. im fixing an addon, and well.. I dont know how to explane it |
| 20:03.51 | [Liquidor] | I can't belive I just got a link to another one of those eat-shit pr0n videos :S This one is called 1priest1nun lawl |
| 20:04.25 | Lopeppeppy | Day-um. Icky. |
| 20:05.33 | sixcorners | how do you reverse the direction that GetPlayerBearing returns foxlit? I have it changed to return radians |
| 20:06.04 | foxlit | direction? |
| 20:06.15 | sixcorners | the addon uses select(9,Minimap:GetChildren()):GetFacing() to get the character's facing.. but that requires the minimap to rotate |
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| 20:07.05 | sixcorners | when i check the CVar and return what the edited GetPlayerBearing() returns, I get the opposite of what I want |
| 20:07.45 | foxlit | We're talking about http://www.wowwiki.com/GetPlayerBearing ? |
| 20:07.46 | Shirik | handlable (sp?) |
| 20:07.47 | batbot | Shirik, handleable. |
| 20:07.56 | sixcorners | yes |
| 20:08.07 | foxlit | and you want 0 to be south? |
| 20:08.20 | sixcorners | except I edited it to return what GetFacing() returns |
| 20:09.09 | sixcorners | well.. if the addon is trying to calculate a point infrount of the character, it works.. if I turn to the left, it says the point is to my left |
| 20:09.15 | Arrowmaster | have a look at tomtom or cartographer, their functions for doing that are probably a lot cleaner |
| 20:09.15 | foxlit | Hey, if you break it, you get to keep both pieces :) |
| 20:09.20 | sixcorners | or something like that : \ |
| 20:09.31 | Slakah | maybe take a look at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10008-LibCamera-1.0.html |
| 20:10.12 | Arrowmaster | thats something completely different |
| 20:11.18 | Arrowmaster | heh and its broken in atleast one way |
| 20:12.35 | foxlit | mm? |
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| 20:14.09 | sixcorners | I used the uniary minus operator on the function's return.. but now it says it's off to the sides... its more correct then it was before tho |
| 20:14.10 | foxlit | You might want to stick 2*math.pi- in front of your GetFacing, then |
| 20:14.33 | sixcorners | hmm.. |
| 20:14.58 | foxlit | Or well, replace 360 with 2*math.pi if you want the output in radians |
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| 20:17.15 | sixcorners | hmm.. that 2*math.pi- worked.. I think |
| 20:17.53 | sixcorners | it starts off pointing to the NE.. but im guessing thats just where the coordinate is put |
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| 20:19.39 | Sixen | What's the website with the differences per patch? |
| 20:19.43 | Sixen | I don't remember -_- |
| 20:19.46 | kd3 | wdnaddons.com |
| 20:19.49 | Sixen | that |
| 20:19.50 | Shirik | wdncompares.com |
| 20:19.53 | Shirik | er |
| 20:19.54 | Shirik | wowcompares.com |
| 20:19.55 | Sixen | yes that~~ |
| 20:20.00 | Shirik | ~wdn |
| 20:20.05 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 20:20.19 | kd3 | of course, the computer has to crash a few hours after I leave for vacation... |
| 20:20.21 | Shirik | oh wdnaddons.com works too |
| 20:20.26 | Shirik | interesting |
| 20:20.46 | Fisker- | baw kd3 :( |
| 20:21.28 | sixcorners | thanks for the help foxlit :) I still probably need to play around with this a little bit |
| 20:22.04 | Sixen | <33 |
| 20:22.48 | sixcorners | oh no! I'm starting to remember things from trig!! D: |
| 20:22.50 | Thunder_Child | lol Fisker-, your sensual massgae caused kd3 to quit |
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| 20:27.39 | sixcorners | bearing isnt measured in radians right? |
| 20:28.05 | foxlit | it's not |
| 20:28.17 | kd3 | bah, let's try that again... |
| 20:28.19 | kd3 | cladhaire, you here? |
| 20:28.24 | cladhaire | word! |
| 20:28.30 | kd3 | see your inbox? |
| 20:28.43 | cladhaire | perfect! |
| 20:28.43 | sixcorners | guess I need to change the name a little |
| 20:29.17 | Fisker- | nothing in my inbox kd3 :( |
| 20:29.28 | kd3 | I have nothing for j00, fisker |
| 20:29.35 | Fisker- | :( |
| 20:29.41 | kd3 | other than some viagra spam, if you want that |
| 20:29.44 | Fisker- | but i had something for you :( |
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| 20:32.04 | foxlit | http://wowcompares.com/latest/FrameXML/RestrictedEnvironment.lua |
| 20:32.09 | sixcorners | I think select(9,Minimap:GetChildren()):GetFacing() is broken.. im guessing child windows arnt returned in the same order every time |
| 20:32.17 | foxlit | Quite likely |
| 20:32.35 | sixcorners | hmm.. |
| 20:33.09 | sixcorners | oh well.. I hate rotating minimap.. |
| 20:33.23 | foxlit | So who do I bother about wowcompares bugs? |
| 20:33.41 | Fisker- | noone |
| 20:33.46 | Fisker- | there is no such thing as a "bug" |
| 20:33.48 | Fisker- | it's always a feature |
| 20:33.51 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 20:33.54 | sixcorners | lol |
| 20:35.05 | Shirik | foxlit: bug? |
| 20:35.09 | Shirik | Also, I believe the answer is Esamynn|Away |
| 20:35.40 | foxlit | /latest/ isn't actually latest |
| 20:35.40 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:35.41 | foxlit | I presume they're cached |
| 20:36.13 | foxlit | And whoever designed that didn't think content could change for a non-changing URL |
| 20:36.33 | Shirik | makes sense |
| 20:36.56 | foxlit | The trick is to let things expire regardless |
| 20:37.48 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: the correct answer is Beladona |
| 20:37.54 | Shirik | that's right |
| 20:38.03 | Shirik | I always confuse those two for some reason :( |
| 20:38.11 | Shirik | foxlit: Just have to ask :P |
| 20:38.28 | Shirik | holy crap 8 mods in queue |
| 20:38.42 | Shirik | I don't see yours foxlit :/ |
| 20:39.00 | foxlit | Don't recognize, probably |
| 20:39.01 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9011-OPie.html |
| 20:39.08 | foxlit | (ignore the title in URL) |
| 20:39.18 | Shirik | Silvas? |
| 20:39.43 | foxlit | WoWI has caching issues, too :) |
| 20:39.52 | foxlit | Although its are of a different nature |
| 20:40.06 | Josh_Borke | ooo, nice use of the possessive there |
| 20:40.11 | Josh_Borke | btw, i feel so leet sauce playing uplink |
| 20:40.30 | foxlit | Character name, I ended up getting it changed but it sticks in the addon tables as the author |
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| 20:42.08 | Shirik | foxlit, don't take this the wrong way |
| 20:42.11 | Shirik | wtf am I looking at? |
| 20:42.29 | foxlit | You're looking at what's essentially a binary |
| 20:42.41 | Shirik | strangest binary I've ever seen |
| 20:42.53 | foxlit | The directory structure is the OSX bundle |
| 20:43.05 | Shirik | Windows is pissed at it :P |
| 20:43.18 | foxlit | I can imagine :) |
| 20:43.33 | foxlit | Contents/MacOS/BLPLook is the actual executable |
| 20:43.44 | Shirik | yeah I found it finally |
| 20:44.42 | foxlit | Although executable is a very odd term :) |
| 20:45.15 | Fisker- | can you still make macros that click a button on the actionbar? |
| 20:46.01 | foxlit | /click and knock yourself out, Fisker- :) |
| 20:46.17 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.22 | Fisker- | just click 1 or something? |
| 20:46.38 | Gnarfoz | needs thea ctual button name. |
| 20:46.57 | Gnarfoz | /echo GetMouseFocus():GetName() is your friend |
| 20:47.00 | Fisker- | i got it |
| 20:47.25 | sixcorners | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.34 | Shirik | probably something from AceConsole |
| 20:47.41 | sixcorners | woah.. it worked... |
| 20:47.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering how many people have AceConsole, that's not too surprising |
| 20:48.07 | Fisker- | bah |
| 20:48.12 | Fisker- | if only i could make the macro shorter |
| 20:48.14 | Fisker- | anyway i can do that? |
| 20:48.22 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the macro? |
| 20:48.24 | Shirik | now we ask how many people SHOULD have AceConsole |
| 20:48.26 | Shirik | that's the real question |
| 20:48.28 | Fisker- | /click ActionButton2 |
| 20:48.32 | Fisker- | as many times as i can >:3 |
| 20:48.35 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ Shirik |
| 20:48.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: lol, well, you could always setup a /click chain |
| 20:48.53 | Fisker- | >:3? |
| 20:48.59 | Fisker- | ah |
| 20:49.01 | Fisker- | a macro on a macro |
| 20:49.02 | Fisker- | good idea |
| 20:49.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 20:49.34 | sixcorners | you can /click macros? |
| 20:49.43 | ScytheBlade1 | You can /click other action buttons |
| 20:49.58 | ScytheBlade1 | And put macros on those buttons |
| 20:50.02 | Fisker- | LOL |
| 20:50.04 | Fisker- | got disconnected |
| 20:50.10 | ScytheBlade1 | smooth |
| 20:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly are you doing? |
| 20:50.23 | sixcorners | I thought blizzard dosnt want macros startin other macros.. : \ |
| 20:50.26 | Fisker- | casting a spell with no mana cost or gcd |
| 20:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Which spell? |
| 20:50.37 | Fisker- | beacon of light |
| 20:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Might want to click it less |
| 20:51.25 | Esine | btw, can addons create or execute macros? |
| 20:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | yes and yes with restrictions on how and when on both |
| 20:51.44 | Esine | ah |
| 20:52.07 | Shirik | all set foxlit |
| 20:52.21 | foxlit | awesome, Shirik |
| 20:52.34 | Shirik | not having my disassembly tools on this computer = fail |
| 20:52.37 | Shirik | had to go find them all :( |
| 20:53.14 | Lopeppeppy | No disassemble! |
| 20:53.23 | Shirik | no disassemble johnny 5! |
| 20:53.36 | Lopeppeppy | Johnny 5 is alive! |
| 20:53.46 | Lopeppeppy | I watched that again a few weeks ago, hysterically funny. |
| 20:53.51 | Shirik | love it :) |
| 20:54.01 | foxlit | I wonder if you actually get anything fun out of disassembling that :) |
| 20:54.04 | Lopeppeppy | "I think I am now sporting an enormous woodie" |
| 20:55.00 | Shirik | what do you mean by "Get anything fun"? |
| 20:55.14 | Fisker- | http://i35.tinypic.com/fenoch.jpg <-i am hilarious |
| 20:55.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ 1 (Critical) |
| 20:56.21 | Fisker- | i think i'll go do an instance |
| 20:56.28 | Fisker- | and while everyone lags from that macro i'll lol |
| 20:56.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Does it cost any mana? |
| 20:57.06 | Fisker- | no |
| 20:57.13 | ScytheBlade1 | You should go solo some instances |
| 20:57.14 | Fisker- | it's the internal spell we are somehow able to learn |
| 20:57.18 | Fisker- | it heals for 1? |
| 20:57.25 | ScytheBlade1 | You can spam it endlessly? |
| 20:57.26 | Shirik | does it have a CD |
| 20:57.29 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:57.29 | Fisker- | no |
| 20:57.31 | Shirik | wow |
| 20:57.37 | Shirik | that sounds bad :P |
| 20:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 16:57 < ScytheBlade1> You should go solo some instances |
| 20:57.40 | Fisker- | And if i spam it enough it freezes my client and/or kicks me from the server |
| 20:57.43 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:57.55 | Shirik | the server is probably pissed at you casting 2000 spells at once |
| 20:58.21 | Fisker- | something like that |
| 20:59.19 | Gnarfoz | now this is ugly |
| 20:59.37 | Gnarfoz | Fisker- is having fun with the very same thing that translates to my pally being broken :p |
| 21:00.02 | Fisker- | i should drain all my mana and see how i quick i regen with this |
| 21:00.12 | Fisker- | or wait |
| 21:00.13 | Anaral | lol |
| 21:00.15 | Fisker- | i only get from the meta gem |
| 21:00.22 | Gnarfoz | I hate you for your working Illumination. |
| 21:00.29 | Gnarfoz | or working BoL, for that matter |
| 21:00.50 | Fisker- | BoL? |
| 21:00.54 | Fisker- | ah |
| 21:01.08 | Cide | you can't say BoL for beacon of light |
| 21:01.13 | Cide | BoL is Blessing of Light |
| 21:01.20 | Fisker- | Blessing of Light is removed in wotlk |
| 21:01.25 | Cide | it's still reserved |
| 21:01.31 | Gnarfoz | fuck you cide |
| 21:01.36 | Gnarfoz | BoL is now Beacon of Light :p |
| 21:01.43 | Cide | no. you know why? |
| 21:01.47 | Gnarfoz | because I say so. |
| 21:01.52 | Cide | no. you know why? |
| 21:01.57 | sixcorners | does anyone here use the rotating minimap option? |
| 21:02.05 | Gnarfoz | Cide: do you even play anymore :p |
| 21:02.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I do |
| 21:02.08 | Anaral | eww, why would we? |
| 21:02.10 | Cide | no. you know why? |
| 21:02.31 | Gnarfoz | probably because no one cared what you said when you did :p |
| 21:02.34 | Gnarfoz | like now :p |
| 21:02.44 | Cide | actually I do play the beta |
| 21:02.50 | Cide | and my account on live is still active |
| 21:02.53 | Gnarfoz | I'm not going to start and use "beacon" for Beacon of Light, I dread the "bacon" typos |
| 21:03.01 | sixcorners | you use the rotating minimap scythe? |
| 21:03.02 | Cide | so technically I do play |
| 21:03.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I do |
| 21:03.20 | sixcorners | k |
| 21:03.20 | Cide | Gnarfoz: just call it kevin |
| 21:03.31 | Gnarfoz | YOU're "kevin" now :p |
| 21:03.58 | sixcorners | anaral, were you responding to me or that other question? |
| 21:04.02 | Cide | excellent argument there, buddy. wake me up when you figure something better out. |
| 21:04.09 | Anaral | To you |
| 21:04.14 | sixcorners | ah, k |
| 21:04.32 | sixcorners | well.. I dont like it either.. just wondering if this addon should do anything with it |
| 21:04.36 | Gnarfoz | I didn't even wake you up this time around |
| 21:04.41 | Gnarfoz | so just shut up and stuff :p |
| 21:04.52 | Cide | rule number one |
| 21:05.03 | Cide | never append ":p" or any other smiley when you're trying to win an argument |
| 21:05.11 | Cide | rule number two |
| 21:05.15 | Cide | you can't win an argument |
| 21:05.18 | sixcorners | lol |
| 21:05.26 | Gnarfoz | you don't even make the rules :p |
| 21:05.35 | sixcorners | :p |
| 21:05.35 | Cide | rule number three |
| 21:05.38 | Cide | I make the rules |
| 21:05.42 | batrick | cide wins his arguments through pure unfettered nerd rag3 |
| 21:05.55 | foxlit | rule number four: rule number 3 is void if this rule is void. |
| 21:05.59 | Gnarfoz | nerd fits :p |
| 21:05.59 | Cide | it's what I live on, breath, and feed upon |
| 21:06.25 | sixcorners | anyone know how to tell which part of the minimap is actually the map? |
| 21:06.35 | Cide | use your eyes |
| 21:06.41 | sixcorners | :( |
| 21:06.50 | Cide | if you're blind, too bad. |
| 21:07.29 | sixcorners | one sec.. let me look up widget methods and stuff |
| 21:07.35 | Cide | great idea! |
| 21:07.49 | foxlit | don't drink and fly |
| 21:07.58 | foxlit | altitude controls are affected, too |
| 21:08.13 | Cide | in fact |
| 21:08.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I love how bitter Cide is |
| 21:08.24 | Cide | tests have shown that drinking only affects longitude controls |
| 21:08.29 | Cide | latitude is unaffected |
| 21:09.26 | Shirik | it's still grounds to get your pilot license suspended :P |
| 21:09.44 | Cide | hey, don't ask, don't tell |
| 21:09.50 | Shirik | hell if you're found DUI on the ground, you can get your license suspended |
| 21:10.00 | Shirik | I think revoked too, I dunno exactly |
| 21:10.34 | Cide | Shirik: that assumes there's a license to suspend or revoke |
| 21:11.26 | cladhaire | !ap 1405 |
| 21:11.34 | sixcorners | GetFrameType() is what I ment to ask about.. Minimap is a frame type right? |
| 21:11.52 | Cide | try it and see what happens |
| 21:11.58 | Cide | not to be confused with "hit shit and see what happens" |
| 21:12.33 | Lopeppeppy | Splatter, usually |
| 21:15.27 | cladhaire | sixcorners: This is a diagram of all the different frame types: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 21:15.35 | cladhaire | yes Minimap is one of them :P |
| 21:16.02 | sixcorners | k, thanks :) |
| 21:16.22 | sixcorners | was getting lost around /echo for v,k in Minimap:GetChildren() do .. cant return from there and have it display.. |
| 21:16.32 | cladhaire | :P |
| 21:16.58 | Cide | doesn't GetChildren() return a list in the first place? |
| 21:17.39 | sixcorners | I thought it returned a table.. then I would iterate though them to see if v:GetFrameType() was ever Minimap |
| 21:18.03 | foxlit | Cide is right |
| 21:18.05 | foxlit | Listen to Cide |
| 21:18.09 | Cide | if it returned a table you'd still have to do "for v,k in pairs(...) do" |
| 21:18.35 | Cide | besides, if v means 'value' and k 'key', you have them in the wrong order |
| 21:18.55 | Corrodias | vey and kalue. it's swedish. |
| 21:19.01 | sixcorners | ah.. pairs.. |
| 21:19.02 | Cide | I would know |
| 21:19.05 | End | yeah, surely you would know |
| 21:19.08 | End | lol |
| 21:19.17 | Cide | you'd do /script for k, v in pairs({ Minimap:GetChildren() }) do print(v) end |
| 21:19.27 | Cide | replace print(v) with whatever you want to do |
| 21:19.53 | sixcorners | I dont work with lua for loops enough : \ |
| 21:20.01 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 21:20.38 | sixcorners | just havnt had a need for them recently |
| 21:20.52 | sixcorners | and when I had, it was ususally copy/pasted |
| 21:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Know what sucks? Building kernel modules on a 133MHz CPU with 64MB of RAM |
| 21:21.22 | kd3 | ouch |
| 21:21.27 | Shirik | cross compile? |
| 21:21.36 | Shirik | Or go with QNX |
| 21:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | too much effort |
| 21:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | And go die |
| 21:21.43 | Shirik | QNX's microkernel should be easy to build :D |
| 21:21.46 | sixcorners | thanks for the answer cladhaire |
| 21:21.49 | kd3 | and whee... three named storms and another tropical disturbance in the atlantic |
| 21:21.50 | cladhaire | np |
| 21:21.57 | kd3 | this is gonna be a fun hurricane season |
| 21:22.01 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: o_o |
| 21:22.02 | Shirik | I love hurricanes |
| 21:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: does QNX's microkernel support madwifi based wifi cards + all needed crypto for WPA2 Enterprise? |
| 21:24.01 | Shirik | "madwifi"? |
| 21:24.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I thought! |
| 21:24.23 | Shirik | There are several wireless drivers out there, however, QNX's beauty is that there is no such thing as a driver! |
| 21:24.31 | Shirik | Drivers are simply applications with a different name |
| 21:24.34 | Shirik | write your own :D |
| 21:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds |
| 21:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly like every other piece of software out there |
| 21:24.49 | Corrodias | inconvenient |
| 21:25.08 | Shirik | I wouldn't say that; most drivers in today's world get built into the kernel or interface with it somehow |
| 21:25.24 | Shirik | QNX's "drivers" don't interface any more with the kernel than would a normal application (that is, standard system calls, etc.) |
| 21:25.50 | zenzelezz | seems like a disadvantage to me |
| 21:26.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Done with /usr/src/madwifi-modules-2.6.18-6-486_0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch2+2.6.18.dfsg.1-22etch2_i386.deb . |
| 21:26.06 | zenzelezz | the reason drivers mingle with the kernel is so normal program shouldn't muck around with their stuff |
| 21:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Finally |
| 21:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That only took just about an hour |
| 21:26.25 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Why should a program be able to muck around with their stuff if not in the kernel? |
| 21:26.55 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Let me put it this way: In QNX, not even the process manager is in the kernel |
| 21:27.06 | Shirik | true microkernel :) |
| 21:27.11 | Industrial | what if the process manager malfunctions :P |
| 21:27.18 | Shirik | Industrial: The HAM would take care of that |
| 21:27.23 | Industrial | meh |
| 21:27.35 | Industrial | I guess |
| 21:27.37 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I still think it sounds icky |
| 21:27.52 | Shirik | zenzelezz: It's simply a different philosophy, and an intelligent one for embedded systems imho :) |
| 21:28.06 | zenzelezz | I like my OSes like I like my governments, quietly doing the job the rest of us shouldn't be doing |
| 21:28.11 | Industrial | actually lumping everything together into one sticky ball of kernel sounds kinda worse zenzelezz :P (linux) |
| 21:28.25 | Shirik | zenzelezz:For a general purpose OS, I totally agree |
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| 21:30.07 | xcel-- | can anyone tell me why I get an Error indexing LootCouncil (nil value) when trying this code? http://pastey.net/95244 |
| 21:30.28 | Cide | I haven't looked at the code |
| 21:30.28 | Shirik | what line? |
| 21:30.31 | xcel-- | function starting on line 13 seems to be the problem |
| 21:30.35 | Cide | but I would guess it's because LootCouncil is nil |
| 21:30.42 | Shirik | wait |
| 21:30.46 | Shirik | yeah |
| 21:30.49 | Shirik | LootCouncil is undefined |
| 21:30.55 | Shirik | you can't just randomly make functions like that |
| 21:31.16 | Shirik | you are definitely missing a local LootCouncil = {}; at the top |
| 21:31.22 | Cide | YOU CAN'T JUST WALK INTO MORDOR |
| 21:31.37 | Fisker- | what does one need an addon for lootcouncil_ |
| 21:31.38 | Fisker- | ? |
| 21:31.49 | Fisker- | why* |
| 21:31.59 | xcel-- | I dunno .. but I need a project to work on |
| 21:32.03 | Shirik | why does one need an addon to determine threat? |
| 21:32.13 | Shirik | "back in my day we ain't got no fancy threat meters" |
| 21:32.14 | Industrial | ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY CALL GLOBALS INTO MORDOR |
| 21:32.25 | Cide | you don't call globals. |
| 21:32.27 | Cide | you call functions. |
| 21:32.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 21:32.32 | Industrial | I know :D |
| 21:32.33 | Shirik | what if it's a global function... |
| 21:32.48 | Fisker- | how does one trigger events? |
| 21:32.49 | Cide | then you reference the function through a global variable, and call the reference |
| 21:33.21 | Shirik | i.e., calling the global with a step in the middle |
| 21:33.29 | Cide | no.. |
| 21:33.33 | zenzelezz | I don't use functions, all my code is a bunch of ifs in an OnUpdate tag |
| 21:33.33 | Shirik | Unfortunately, I am wrong, because I am arguing with Cide |
| 21:33.51 | Shirik | :D |
| 21:33.51 | Cide | while I'm always right in general, I'm also technically right in this case, and you know it :P |
| 21:33.57 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:34.07 | Shirik | And I'm just being my usual annoying self |
| 21:34.16 | Cide | and I'm just being my usual self |
| 21:34.22 | Fisker- | nah Shirik |
| 21:34.23 | Industrial | zenzelezz: I loadstring all my addons and they are updated from syncing them ingame! |
| 21:34.31 | Industrial | (someone actually wanted ot make this) |
| 21:34.32 | Fisker- | i am the most annoying here Shirik |
| 21:34.33 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:34.47 | Cide | I already hold that position |
| 21:34.58 | Shirik | fight to the death over it? |
| 21:35.03 | Cide | silence. |
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| 21:35.25 | Cide | see? no contest. |
| 21:35.31 | Industrial | Fisker-: fail |
| 21:36.10 | zenzelezz | I am Cide's unusual self |
| 21:36.53 | Thunder_Child | " Fisker-: i am the most annoying here Shirik" you wish |
| 21:36.57 | Cide | that is, !Cide |
| 21:37.05 | Industrial | ~Cide |
| 21:37.09 | purl | methinks cide is the developer of the CT mods. He is also known for his bad temper |
| 21:37.09 | sixcorners | hmm.. it was the 1-obj:GetFacing() that was throwing stuff off in the addon.. I thought it was doing some arithmatic with obj so I never removed it when I removed the other stuff that converted radians to degrees |
| 21:37.21 | Shirik | ~factinfo Cide |
| 21:37.21 | purl | cide -- last modified at Thu Jan 4 02:56:11 2007 by sylvanaar!n=sylvanaa@205-196-182-22.static.cmts1.phonoscope.net; it has been requested 5 times, last by Industrial, 12s ago. |
| 21:37.23 | Cide | honestly, that's pretty inaccurate |
| 21:37.31 | Cide | I don't have a bad temper |
| 21:37.35 | Cide | I just flame people because it's fun |
| 21:37.36 | Shirik | 12s ago |
| 21:37.37 | Shirik | hrm |
| 21:37.38 | Lopeppeppy | I have the temper around here. |
| 21:37.43 | Industrial | Cide: omg, so do I |
| 21:37.48 | Cide | shut up |
| 21:37.52 | Industrial | no u |
| 21:37.58 | Shirik | I think Lopeppeppy will lose that argument |
| 21:38.02 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: that just makes you more interesting |
| 21:38.12 | xcel-- | now I get a "attempt to call global 'LootCouncil_OnUpdate' (a nil value) |
| 21:38.20 | Thunder_Child | the only reason you people have bad tempers is because you hang around on the forums |
| 21:38.25 | Cide | xcel--: www.lua.org/pil |
| 21:39.01 | Cide | read, learn |
| 21:39.06 | Cide | then maybeeee.. do |
| 21:39.19 | Cide | Thunder_Child: I haven't read the forums in months |
| 21:39.21 | xcel-- | yea I'm trying to |
| 21:39.39 | Cide | did you define a function called LootCouncil_OnUpdate ? |
| 21:39.46 | Cide | exactly. |
| 21:39.57 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I have yet to lose an argument I cared about winning. But you have to make me care. |
| 21:40.05 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: your pants are on fire! |
| 21:40.20 | xcel-- | no I don't have a function called LootCouncil_OnUpdat |
| 21:40.21 | Cide | s/ts/ties/ |
| 21:40.21 | xcel-- | e |
| 21:40.29 | zenzelezz | that's just because she's so hot |
| 21:40.31 | Cide | xcel--: <Cide> exactly. |
| 21:40.34 | Thunder_Child | Cide, but you have! |
| 21:40.44 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is either blushing or ready to kill you two |
| 21:40.47 | Cide | Thunder_Child: only to flame people in the first case |
| 21:40.53 | Cide | well |
| 21:41.02 | Cide | then there's the Good Ole Days (tm) |
| 21:41.07 | zenzelezz | hey, unless she tells me to stop she has only herself to blame |
| 21:41.07 | Cide | when the forums were actually useful to read |
| 21:41.22 | Cide | and you could discuss lua |
| 21:41.25 | Cide | and the api |
| 21:41.36 | Cide | and then it was renamed "UI & Macros" |
| 21:41.45 | Syzgyn | Duman: ping |
| 21:41.59 | Lopeppeppy | Cide dear, if you set my pants on fire you should be proud. Since you didn't. *yawn* Next? |
| 21:42.08 | Cide | panties. |
| 21:42.10 | Cide | look again |
| 21:42.23 | Cide | I marked myself as away somehow.. no idea how |
| 21:42.27 | Corrodias | maybe she doesn't wear any |
| 21:42.30 | Lopeppeppy | If you couldn't get to set the pants on fire, I doubt you could find anything else. :P |
| 21:42.33 | Cide | she doesn't anymore |
| 21:42.34 | zenzelezz | damn you people, you're distracting peppy from my attempts to suck up to her |
| 21:42.51 | Gnarfoz | http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/why_so_serious.jpg yay :X |
| 21:43.00 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: see, I'm more of a guided missile. avoiding your pants was easy |
| 21:43.18 | Cide | (BoL) my ass |
| 21:43.33 | Gnarfoz | see, even WoW thinks I'm right :p |
| 21:43.44 | Cide | Lopeppeppy: haha, I should |
| 21:44.06 | Thunder_Child | didnt know lopes pants were a POI |
| 21:44.13 | Cide | besides.. I never said *I* set them on fire |
| 21:46.26 | Shirik | sometimes I wonder how Lopeppeppy manages to continue coming to this channel :P |
| 21:47.14 | Lopeppeppy | There are a very few people worth my time. *sniff* The rest are savage animals who could learn. |
| 21:49.48 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, do you really have to wonder? |
| 21:50.16 | batrick | Thunder_Child is a negative nancy |
| 21:50.29 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, I'm the guy who wonders about why electric attacks are super effective against flying pokemon |
| 21:50.36 | Shirik | Do you really have to ask that question? |
| 21:50.44 | Thunder_Child | yes yes i do |
| 21:50.46 | Shirik | batrick! Do you agree with me that that is backwards?! |
| 21:50.54 | Shirik | Since a flying pokemon would have no ground |
| 21:50.56 | Thunder_Child | and i rather found that conversation interesting as well |
| 21:51.03 | Shirik | it's just a floating voltage (no pun intended |
| 21:51.06 | Thunder_Child | yes, but i didnt agree with you on the plane |
| 21:53.10 | Thunder_Child | "How will EA keep kids from inadvertently encountering rampaging penisauruses and genitaliarachnids?" lol |
| 21:53.19 | Corrodias | wut |
| 21:53.22 | Thunder_Child | spore |
| 21:53.26 | Corrodias | good question |
| 21:53.45 | Corrodias | 4chan has already produced hundreds of variations on the classic penisaurus |
| 21:54.24 | Corrodias | what's their answer? if this was a QA thing |
| 21:54.34 | batrick | Shirik: lol |
| 21:54.46 | batrick | they'd get roasted just as ez |
| 21:54.49 | Thunder_Child | dunno, havent got to it yet |
| 21:54.53 | Thunder_Child | http://www.gamespot.com/news/6197060.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1 |
| 21:54.56 | Shirik | if they were on the ground... |
| 21:55.09 | Shirik | but if you're flying up in the air, I can put 1000V on you and it won't do anything |
| 21:55.27 | Shirik | Now if I put 1000V ACROSS you |
| 21:55.33 | Shirik | But that means that I have to send out two charges |
| 21:55.50 | Shirik | Can pikachu deliver both rails of voltage? |
| 21:56.12 | Shirik | I guess that's the real question |
| 21:56.12 | Cide | Shirik. |
| 21:56.13 | Cide | stop. |
| 21:56.22 | Shirik | it's important question! |
| 21:56.32 | Cide | I suppose |
| 21:56.37 | Shirik | What if we had Star Trek just making stuff up instead of using theoretically real science |
| 21:56.42 | Shirik | then it wouldn't be star trek anymore! |
| 21:57.14 | Thunder_Child | one is sci-fi the other is fantasy |
| 21:57.28 | Thunder_Child | fantasy can break the rules any which way ti wants to |
| 21:57.42 | batrick | Shirik: you forget lightning comes from ground and from sky, it meets in the middle |
| 21:57.52 | batrick | so if the bird/object is in the path it gets roasted ;P |
| 21:58.06 | batrick | o noes, i broke one of cide's rules on winning arguments |
| 21:58.10 | batrick | good thing this isn't an argument |
| 21:58.22 | Shirik | this is an electrical discussion and analysis, not an argument |
| 21:58.30 | Thunder_Child | batrick, no, it only really comes from the ground after laying down a path |
| 21:58.44 | batrick | o ya? |
| 21:58.48 | Shirik | you two are talking about two different things :) |
| 21:59.06 | Shirik | The current flows fround ground to sky (negative to positive) or sky to ground (conventional flow) |
| 21:59.24 | Shirik | The electric field, however, is generated by both sides |
| 22:00.23 | Shirik | A good question comes up: What is the resistance of air compared to the resistance of a bird |
| 22:00.32 | Shirik | I would expect the bird's resistance to be less |
| 22:01.59 | Cide | naturally |
| 22:02.15 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, last paragraph of cource |
| 22:02.21 | batrick | the connect between a bird and air might be very high resistance so maybe they're safe, but assuming there is raid (thunderstorm), then the bird would prob get roasted |
| 22:02.32 | batrick | rain* lol |
| 22:02.49 | Thunder_Child | to much wow batrick |
| 22:03.13 | Shirik | do birds fly in rain? |
| 22:03.30 | batrick | they get wet in rain :P |
| 22:03.53 | kd3 | ouch. apparently a levee just got overtopped |
| 22:04.22 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 22:04.25 | Shirik | where? |
| 22:04.51 | kd3 | braiwithe? something like that. somewhere near nola |
| 22:07.33 | Shirik | er |
| 22:07.36 | kd3 | braithwaite* |
| 22:07.36 | Shirik | what's that >< |
| 22:07.41 | kd3 | new orleans |
| 22:08.33 | Shirik | ah |
| 22:08.35 | Shirik | that's not good |
| 22:09.12 | kd3 | http://tinyurl.com/6j9fnm |
| 22:11.30 | Thunder_Child | well, at least they are right next to the coast guard |
| 22:11.58 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, well I am in tonights raid as Paladin #6, so woot for me. I'm off to make dinner and get all ready and stuff. See yas. |
| 22:12.08 | Thunder_Child | laters Lopeppeppy |
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| 22:18.47 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 22:21.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamash (n=Jamash@163.sub-70-193-22.myvzw.com) |
| 22:22.40 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 22:22.48 | kd3 | +ITEM_ACCOUNTBOUND = "Account Bound"; |
| 22:22.53 | kd3 | old news is old, but still |
| 22:25.35 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 22:25.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, finally |
| 22:26.12 | NeoTron | anyone know if there's a TomTom with working waypoints in northrend? |
| 22:28.28 | cbreak | what type of items will be account bound? |
| 22:28.52 | kd3 | no clue. just saw it in the framexml |
| 22:29.22 | cbreak | so we have to hope. ah well :) |
| 22:29.40 | Shirik | pets hopefully :D |
| 22:30.14 | cbreak | or gear |
| 22:30.25 | NeoTron | http://svn.esamynn.org/astrolabe/branches/wotlk_data_temp/ did the trick |
| 22:30.29 | cbreak | so you could roll on gear for alts. |
| 22:31.29 | cbreak | somehow killing mother sharhaz doesn't feel that epic after RoS. |
| 22:32.47 | Shirik | the first night we killed ros we killed mother |
| 22:32.52 | Shirik | and then we were like "well that was boring" |
| 22:35.40 | cbreak | we killed RoS 5 mins past raid end, so that wasn't an option for us |
| 22:35.49 | cbreak | but I agree, she was boring :) |
| 22:37.29 | kd3 | ooh. a stealable frame. |
| 22:40.53 | Fisker- | indeed kd3 |
| 22:41.03 | Fisker- | i hop they do it with TCG loot as well btw |
| 22:41.05 | Fisker- | hope* |
| 22:41.47 | Fisker- | anyone know if they are going to give us tabard storage? |
| 22:47.53 | cbreak | I hope so |
| 22:48.09 | cbreak | maybe something like a key ring 2 |
| 22:50.47 | torokokill | hmm, what is the minimum amount of information you need to provide to a StatusBar for it to show? I can't seem to get mine to show |
| 22:53.34 | Seerah | size, position, texture, value, iirc |
| 22:53.55 | Seerah | oh yeah - min/max too |
| 22:56.42 | kd3 | oh wow the gluexml is broken |
| 22:58.34 | kd3 | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/356cf2fb926da3ba8aaae4bfc7b958f7.jpg |
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| 22:59.12 | cbreak | wicked hair style |
| 23:00.45 | Shirik | kd3: That's awesome |
| 23:01.00 | Shirik | kd3: I also see your names are extremely creative |
| 23:01.08 | End | extremely |
| 23:01.12 | End | all greatly varied |
| 23:01.14 | kd3 | I am a lazy bastard when it comes to char naming |
| 23:01.41 | End | kd3 just couldn't do with one copy of his mage |
| 23:01.42 | Arrowmaster | how the fuck are you holding that that |
| 23:01.58 | kd3 | the first two were from alpha, #3's from beta when our alpha toons were locked |
| 23:05.52 | kd3 | they add a debug frame? |
| 23:05.58 | Cide | what's broken about it? |
| 23:06.12 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, i have had the same graphical issues for a while now |
| 23:06.25 | Cide | oh, the sword |
| 23:06.36 | Thunder_Child | all of my weapons are horizontal and at a 90 deg. angle to me |
| 23:07.29 | kd3 | the offhand's floating too |
| 23:14.03 | Gnarfoz | kd3: nah, that's /console errors 1/0 |
| 23:14.18 | Gnarfoz | been there for ages. was enable accidentally on live once, way back |
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| 23:42.44 | Shirik | oi |
| 23:42.52 | Shirik | only a programming channel would have something like this |
| 23:42.56 | Shirik | (19:41:51) (nolyc) HeatHawk[AP2]: Official Channel-Endorsed Quality Nicknames match the regular expression ^[A-Za-z][a-z]{2,7}[^|\[\]]{0,3}$ (using C or POSIX as LC_COLLATE). Please comply. |
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| 23:44.05 | sacarasc | that's pretty cool |
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| 23:48.04 | wereHamster | only 7 chars max? That's discrimination! Think of the hamsters! |
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| 23:49.13 | End | Actually, the last bit specifies 0 to 3 non-|[] |
| 23:49.24 | End | wait, I'm confused |
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| 23:51.50 | wereHamster | oh, you're right. It's 2-10 characters |
| 23:52.05 | End | I'm not sure what the point of the last part is though |
| 23:52.52 | End | maybe to allow numbers at the end? |
| 23:52.53 | wereHamster | the first 2-7 chars have to be alphanumerical, followed by 0-3 'anything but |[]' |
| 23:53.10 | End | first 2-7 can't be numerical |
| 23:53.18 | End | but other than that, yeah, I agree |
| 23:53.22 | sacarasc | erm |
| 23:53.25 | End | er |
| 23:53.26 | End | 3-7 |
| 23:53.31 | sacarasc | 3-8 |
| 23:53.34 | End | whatever |
| 23:53.37 | End | I fail at maths |
| 23:53.43 | End | >_> |
| 23:53.51 | wereHamster | the first ^ denotes the begining of the string, it's not a negation |
| 23:53.55 | End | nono |
| 23:54.05 | leethal | are there any super awesome respec management mods around? |
| 23:54.11 | End | [A-Za-z] A letter [a-z] 2 to 7 more letters |
| 23:54.19 | End | [^|\[\]] 0 to 3 more |
| 23:55.11 | End | What does that make us for dissecting it? |
| 23:55.56 | wereHamster | I don't know... what? |
| 23:56.03 | End | I don't either. |
| 23:56.08 | End | That's why I was asking |
| 23:56.39 | wereHamster | geeks? |
| 23:56.49 | End | could be |
| 23:59.41 | Arrowmaster | my nick fails that regex =( |
