| 00:00.13 | Wobin | reqol: try clearallpoints before setting them? |
| 00:00.45 | Wobin | also show(0 |
| 00:01.18 | reqol | it shows on a specific event, which was working when I used a different texture |
| 00:01.25 | reqol | but I'll try adding in show() |
| 00:01.28 | Cide | um |
| 00:01.33 | reqol | since there's no reason to wait for an event |
| 00:01.33 | Cide | where's Butterfly.tga situated? |
| 00:01.37 | Cide | there's no path to it |
| 00:01.47 | reqol | same folder as the file |
| 00:01.56 | Cide | SetTexture("Interface/Addons/<AddonName>/Butterfly.tga") then |
| 00:02.12 | reqol | alright; I was under the impression that if they were located in the same folder no path was needed. sorry. |
| 00:02.36 | Cide | no need to apologize |
| 00:02.50 | Cide | if you do need to apologize to me, you'll know |
| 00:02.56 | Wobin | textures are tetchy beasts |
| 00:03.37 | Wobin | p3lim: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:03.39 | reqol | and I appreciate you showing me how to optimize my code, it's been the hardest thing to learn, honestly. there isn't any documentation for it |
| 00:03.50 | p3lim | i have a current value and a maximum value |
| 00:04.32 | p3lim | the current value is 40 percentage of the maximum one, i need a math calculation to return how much % is left (beeing 60) |
| 00:04.35 | Cide | optimizing that is probably not a big deal |
| 00:04.44 | Cide | but it's painfully redundant |
| 00:04.58 | Cide | and the alternative is indeed more optimized, though it doesn't matter much in this case |
| 00:05.00 | Wobin | so... max-current/max*100? |
| 00:05.07 | NightHawkTheSane | I think I need more clash. |
| 00:06.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ... no. THE clash. |
| 00:06.34 | Wobin | http://www.theclashonline.com/ ? |
| 00:07.12 | Cide | the next big mmorpg. |
| 00:07.23 | Cide | commonly referred to as "The WoW Killer" |
| 00:07.24 | p3lim | (max-cur)/max*100 |
| 00:07.25 | Shirik | Cide! |
| 00:07.28 | Shirik | Fix my linker problems ty |
| 00:07.39 | Wobin | p3lim: yes |
| 00:07.40 | Cide | I can barely do C++ |
| 00:07.42 | p3lim | Cide: I think theres been like 10 games thats had that title |
| 00:07.52 | Shirik | it's ok, this isn't C++ specific |
| 00:08.04 | Cide | that's great |
| 00:08.04 | Syzgyn | Its such a terrible title at that |
| 00:08.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: yes, that clash |
| 00:08.19 | Cide | I'm sure I'll be of much greater help then :P |
| 00:10.15 | Lunessa | Don't listen to Cide - He pulls aggro on trash and nneds PW:S. |
| 00:10.30 | Lunessa | And don't listen to me, I can't heal or type. |
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| 00:10.38 | Cide | I can heal and type |
| 00:11.27 | Tem | ouch |
| 00:11.32 | Tem | I got out of class early |
| 00:11.34 | Lunessa | Well, damn it. You win this round Cide! |
| 00:11.43 | Cide | naturally. |
| 00:12.02 | Tem | so I don't have servers for my dk |
| 00:12.04 | Tem | QQ |
| 00:12.15 | Tem | any word on a patch tonight or not? |
| 00:12.23 | Cide | sucks to be y.. no wait. |
| 00:12.44 | Lunessa | Poor Tem. Poor, poor Teml. Only me to heal for UTK and needs more tanking gear. |
| 00:13.04 | Tem | I need bracers pretty bad |
| 00:13.20 | Tem | but I already have the only item out of UK that I can use |
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| 00:13.31 | Cide | that's ok, they're just 485 gold |
| 00:13.43 | Lunessa | If the server is up when I get home, I'll make you the cobalt ones. |
| 00:13.46 | Tem | also, I think it sucks that there's only 1 item in the whole place that I can use |
| 00:13.57 | Tem | same goes for the nexus |
| 00:14.42 | Lunessa | Meh, I'm willing to heal any of the 70-73 instances on Lunessa, but I want to do Drak'Theron or higher on Unkle. |
| 00:14.53 | Sargeras | weird |
| 00:15.01 | Sargeras | nickserv wont take my password for this nick =( |
| 00:15.23 | Lunessa | By fire be purged then. |
| 00:15.49 | Tem | Sargeras, probably because your nick is horribly unoriginal |
| 00:16.06 | Tem | in fact, I'm going to armory search that name and see if I can find any toons with that name |
| 00:16.09 | Tem | so I can report them |
| 00:16.16 | Tem | I'm also going to kick a puppy |
| 00:16.25 | Wobin | You're such a hater, Tem |
| 00:16.37 | Tem | Naming policy = my pet peve |
| 00:16.38 | Sargeras | you wont find Sargeras in the armory |
| 00:16.39 | Wobin | ps, bear cub hunter pets are so cool |
| 00:17.05 | Wobin | And people thought getting owned in BGs by a pink flamingo is embarassing |
| 00:17.06 | Sargeras | so feel free to report it as much as you want |
| 00:17.08 | Tem | Ah, looks like they had a good name filter set up when the game started |
| 00:17.15 | Tem | no one has the name |
| 00:17.23 | Sargeras | of course |
| 00:17.26 | Wobin | Tem: try with umlauts and stuff |
| 00:17.30 | Tem | no |
| 00:17.44 | Tem | I _hate_ those people even more than I hate people with bad names |
| 00:17.55 | Wobin | so report them! =P |
| 00:17.59 | Sargeras | wow |
| 00:18.01 | Sargeras | I feel the love here |
| 00:18.06 | Cide | good. |
| 00:18.07 | Cide | welcome. |
| 00:18.21 | Cide | thordurin was better, fyi |
| 00:18.25 | Wobin | If it feels a little squishy and slimy, you're in the right place |
| 00:18.28 | Sargeras | Thordurin is my paladin |
| 00:18.44 | Sargeras | but Dolby has known me as Dolby since 1999 |
| 00:18.47 | Sargeras | errr |
| 00:18.49 | Sargeras | as Sargeas |
| 00:18.53 | Sargeras | Sargeras* |
| 00:18.56 | Sargeras | wow I can type |
| 00:19.04 | Cide | Wobin: that's what my girlfriend says too |
| 00:19.04 | Dolby | Hi Dolby |
| 00:19.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't believe you |
| 00:19.20 | Sargeras | Dolby arigato pally-D |
| 00:19.44 | Tem | hum |
| 00:19.45 | Wobin | Cide: that was a perfect setup for the generic "That's what -she- said" but you had to go and ruin it by overspecifying |
| 00:19.49 | Tem | what to do what to do |
| 00:19.50 | Lunessa | Wait, Cide has a girlfriend? UNPOSSIBLE! |
| 00:19.57 | Cide | Wobin: yeah, I realized that afterwards |
| 00:20.09 | Cide | I have failed. |
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| 00:20.43 | Sargeras | Dolby, think he'll hate my domain too? |
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| 00:21.00 | Sui-Cide | I have returned |
| 00:21.00 | bleeter | well, Cide knows who to blame |
| 00:21.20 | Anaral | Sargeras: Nickserv did that to me the other day too. Had to have an employee in #freenode reset it. |
| 00:21.37 | Sargeras | yeah I was thinking about emailing them |
| 00:21.45 | Sargeras | the other nick and Sargeras have the same email address |
| 00:21.50 | Sargeras | so there's one verification |
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| 00:25.19 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: heads up. Pidgin 2.5.0 has been out for just over a week. If you haven't upgraded, suggest you do. A number of DoS vectors have been closed :) |
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| 00:26.34 | Cairenn|afk | thanks for the heads up bleeter |
| 00:27.02 | bleeter | np sweetie :) |
| 00:29.04 | Lunessa | going afk for fooding. |
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| 00:31.53 | Antiarc | I have a guy asking me for resources with which he can learn Lua for use in WAR. I don't know of any "Lua resources for nonprogrammers" that aren't WoW tutorials - anyone have suggestions? |
| 00:33.19 | Jamash | tutorials are for sissies, real men read standards documents |
| 00:33.35 | Cairenn | not I Antiarc, sorry |
| 00:33.40 | Kaso | the lua-users wiki has various tutorials |
| 00:33.46 | Kaso | also there is PIL ofc |
| 00:34.20 | Cairenn | We're going to be opening our site soon, so hopefully people will start populating it with info shortly thereafter, but right now ... /shrug |
| 00:34.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: hm, have him grab/compile a generic lua binary, point him at PIL and learn basic lua? *shrug* |
| 00:35.07 | Jamash | kidding aside, http://lua-users.org/wiki/TutorialDirectory |
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| 00:38.04 | Antiarc | The Lua tutorial directory blows for non-programmers |
| 00:38.08 | Antiarc | It's great for programmers learning Lua |
| 00:38.13 | Antiarc | It's horrid for people learning programming |
| 00:38.23 | Antiarc | I told him to start with Python, because it has awesome tutorials |
| 00:38.28 | Antiarc | Then move to Lua once he had the basics |
| 00:39.29 | Jamash | sounds like a plan |
| 00:39.47 | NightHawkTheSane | probably a good idea there, actually. |
| 00:41.44 | Wobin | and at least his code will be nicely formatted =) |
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| 00:43.36 | Tem | Oh shit |
| 00:43.57 | Tem | there's audo in the game files to voice a lot of the DK starting quests |
| 00:44.03 | Tem | _brilliant_ |
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| 00:44.39 | Tem | remember when the lich king whispers you telling you to show no mercy when killing the fleeing peasants? |
| 00:44.42 | Tem | voiced |
| 00:44.49 | Tem | _brilliant_ |
| 00:45.24 | Antiarc | Python's one of my favorite teaching languages because it enforces good formatting |
| 00:45.30 | Antiarc | And that tends to carry over into other languages |
| 00:46.13 | Antiarc | That and the beginner doc for it ROCKS. |
| 00:46.16 | bleeter | beta login servers up, no patch (as of yet ;) |
| 00:46.25 | bleeter | no realms, either |
| 00:46.31 | Wobin | "finish them..."? |
| 00:47.02 | Dashkal | Drat, was hoping for a patch. Couple annoying bugs. (Does It goes to 11... work?) |
| 00:48.09 | Keias | ;x |
| 00:48.13 | Tem | bleeter, the login servers have been up for an hour at least |
| 00:49.45 | Icecoldcoke | bleeter: If you can get to the realmlist I highly doubt there's a patch |
| 00:50.02 | Antiarc | No realmlist |
| 00:51.28 | Wobin | bleeter: "happy ending" eh? |
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| 00:52.18 | lonk | test realms down? |
| 00:52.31 | smcn | tem: omg i just found it, EH_LichKing_Chapter1Whisper05 ... that would be perfect in SCT/whatever when in execute range :D |
| 00:52.49 | Tem | smcn, ooh neat |
| 00:53.17 | Tem | I hadn't thought of that |
| 00:53.18 | Dashkal | lonk: yes: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/24/9336663776-scheduled-maintenance-82708.html |
| 00:53.29 | lonk | danke |
| 00:54.04 | Tem | See, this is what amazes me |
| 00:54.26 | Tem | I though the DK starting area was the coolest thing to be put in game the first time I played through it |
| 00:54.32 | Tem | which was beta day 1 |
| 00:54.34 | smcn | man, those voiceovers are awesome |
| 00:54.51 | Tem | the very first iteration that saw outside testers |
| 00:54.55 | smcn | time to work on a mod that triggers them on certain events... killing machine etc ;D |
| 00:54.56 | Tem | and they keep making it MORE awesome |
| 00:55.23 | Icecoldcoke | I think Storm Peaks is amazing. I can't wait to see what they've done with Icecrown. |
| 00:55.25 | smcn | yeah i think i'm going to make a new dk to go through the starting area again when servers come up |
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| 00:57.10 | Neuro_Medivh | when did they add in voiceovers? |
| 00:57.19 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't recall them being in there |
| 00:57.21 | Jamash | they're looking at the game files |
| 00:57.30 | kd3 | they're there |
| 00:57.33 | kd3 | last patch |
| 00:57.45 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, made my DK two patches ago |
| 00:57.46 | kd3 | and whee, auth's fixed. now we just need the realms to come back up |
| 00:58.03 | Jamash | man I'm gonna end up with both servers full of level 58 DKs by beta's end |
| 00:58.05 | Icecoldcoke | I saw the video on mmo-champion where they added the voices.. the lich king sounded scary :o |
| 00:59.53 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, New Orleans is panicking over Gustav... it's not even past Cuba yet |
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| 01:00.58 | Tekkub | OMG THE TEST REALMS ARE DOWN HOW WILL I WRITE ADDONS |
| 01:00.59 | Wobin | Neuro_Medivh: can you blame them for being a bit fidgety? =) |
| 01:01.04 | Tekkub | I want a playtime credit |
| 01:01.24 | Tem | Neuro_Medivh, my family is already making plans to go to huston >< |
| 01:01.26 | schnoggo_ | heh - I just want to see if my new parm passing works... |
| 01:01.27 | Tem | houston* |
| 01:01.40 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, I blame them for living in a friggin' bowl and then being surprised at being flooded |
| 01:01.50 | Tem | ouch |
| 01:01.55 | Tem | that's harsh |
| 01:01.58 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry, it's true. |
| 01:02.05 | Tem | no one is surprized, asshat |
| 01:02.19 | Tem | except the truely ignorant, but I can't speak for them |
| 01:02.46 | Tem | Tread lightly, Neuro_Medivh. The "they deserve it" argument will get me angry. fast. |
| 01:03.45 | Neuro_Medivh | No one deserves it, it just upsets me when a city refuses to fix a problem (inadequate levee system) and then gets angry when that system fails |
| 01:03.56 | Tem | . . . |
| 01:04.01 | Neuro_Medivh | and I lived in Houston when Katrina hit, so I saw the other side of the argument |
| 01:04.09 | Tem | You think they refused to fix it? |
| 01:04.13 | Tem | Do you seriously think that? |
| 01:04.45 | Neuro_Medivh | Tem, the city of N.O. and the govt of LA knew that the New Orleans levee system was not built to withstand a cat 4+ hurricane |
| 01:05.15 | Neuro_Medivh | and several times over the years there were proposals to improve the levee system |
| 01:05.15 | Neuro_Medivh | and they were always voted down |
| 01:05.18 | Neuro_Medivh | as being too expensive |
| 01:05.25 | Tem | because they were. |
| 01:05.34 | Icecoldcoke | I personally blame global warming, it works for just about everything. |
| 01:05.49 | DBE-Kinj | I blamed global warming for a while |
| 01:05.53 | DBE-Kinj | but now i just blame bush |
| 01:05.53 | Tem | the only reason they've been able to update some of the system recently is because katrina got us a bunch of federal money we didn't ahve |
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| 01:05.58 | DBE-Kinj | he's the best scapegoat ever |
| 01:06.00 | Tem | s/ahve/have/ |
| 01:06.31 | Tem | *sigh* let's not blame Bush either. Least popular president ever or not, he's still the president. |
| 01:06.49 | Tem | there is a certain degree of respect we owe him just because |
| 01:06.52 | Wobin | office engendering respect excuse failed a bit ago =P |
| 01:07.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: no. there is not. |
| 01:07.18 | Tem | we'll have to disagree on the issue, then |
| 01:07.22 | Wobin | it's like the "how many times can I use being a POW as an excuse" excuse |
| 01:07.24 | NightHawkTheSane | no one deserves respect simply for the sake of holding a position. |
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| 01:07.33 | Neuro_Medivh | People rag on bush over everything, as if he's the one personally responsible for anything that goes wrong |
| 01:07.37 | Tem | I have no interest in having this argument |
| 01:07.51 | Tem | I respect the president |
| 01:08.09 | Tem | even if I fucking hate him, I respect him. |
| 01:08.33 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* my statement wasn't even specifically about that office, or the man occupying it. I generally feel the same about any position. |
| 01:08.41 | Neuro_Medivh | I haven't really liked a president since Reagan... |
| 01:08.41 | Antiarc | I respect the office, but I can't say the same about the man :P |
| 01:08.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: my general feelings as well |
| 01:09.03 | Tem | NightHawkTheSane, where areyou from, btw? |
| 01:09.18 | Tem | s/ey/e y/ |
| 01:09.19 | bleeter | lawl regan |
| 01:09.24 | Neuro_Medivh | Reagan wore a suit and tie in the Oval Office every day, because he believed that the job demanded that level of respect |
| 01:09.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: currently seattle, originally western NY. (buffalo, for the sake of discussion) |
| 01:09.47 | Tem | location within the US doesn't matter |
| 01:09.57 | Tem | just so long as you're from the US |
| 01:10.04 | bleeter | 'clothes make one respect stuff' -RR |
| 01:10.18 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, dem damn canadians |
| 01:10.27 | Tem | well |
| 01:10.31 | NightHawkTheSane | well you didn't specify what you meant, so. :) |
| 01:10.42 | Tem | yeah, poor choice of words |
| 01:10.58 | Tem | I see respecting the president as a part of National pride |
| 01:11.11 | Tem | so if you weren't form here, then I'd tell you where to stick your opinion |
| 01:11.17 | bleeter | and what if your president is Mugabe? |
| 01:11.28 | Tem | ouch |
| 01:11.34 | Neuro_Medivh | then I wouldn't have any national pride |
| 01:11.51 | Tem | anyway, political discussions are teh bad |
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| 01:11.55 | bleeter | too true |
| 01:11.57 | Tem | that's what #politics is for |
| 01:12.06 | Tem | if we continue this much longer someone will say the O word |
| 01:12.07 | bleeter | bloody northrend HF turned religious on me last night |
| 01:12.09 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* Like Antiarc said, I can, and do, respect the office. But, as I said earlier, I don't feel that respect for a position necessarily transfers to the person holding unless they've earned it. *shrug* But yeah, thats enough of that. |
| 01:12.16 | bleeter | thank goodness I managed to get out to dragonblight |
| 01:12.17 | Tem | and I swear to god if I have to hear that name one more time today |
| 01:12.27 | Cide | O'Reilly? |
| 01:12.28 | smcn | tem: opie? |
| 01:12.37 | Wobin | Oreo |
| 01:12.37 | Tem | nope nope |
| 01:12.39 | Tem | nop |
| 01:12.41 | bleeter | tim tam |
| 01:12.45 | Sixen | duman |
| 01:12.46 | Wobin | mmm |
| 01:12.47 | Cide | oshi- |
| 01:12.48 | Wobin | timtam |
| 01:12.50 | bleeter | cide |
| 01:12.50 | smcn | orson? |
| 01:13.16 | Tem | do I have to do it for you so I can get up and go find someone sweet? |
| 01:13.36 | bleeter | Wobin: you know, I'm really hoping Beta comes back soon, so I can see if I can create a Tim Tam DK ;) |
| 01:14.00 | Wobin | is that where you bite the ends off a paladin, and use them to suck the evil through? |
| 01:14.12 | Aznamir|away | is it a beta patch day? |
| 01:14.13 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds kinky |
| 01:14.19 | Tem | Aznamir|away, don't think so |
| 01:14.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Aznamir|away: does not appear to be so |
| 01:14.29 | Tem | it's still possible, but so far nothing |
| 01:14.42 | Antiarc | What makes people think it's NOT a patch day? |
| 01:14.44 | Antiarc | I mean |
| 01:14.46 | Antiarc | It's 10 hour downtime |
| 01:15.16 | bleeter | sounds like, to me, it's up and they're evaluating whether a client patch should be pushed ;) |
| 01:15.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: blue usually says that downtime is specifically for a new build, where a this it was just for "maintenence", plus, no one's found a patch download, so. :P |
| 01:15.46 | Tem | Antiarc, because for the last 4 weeks when the realms have gone down for a patch they specifically say so |
| 01:15.54 | Tem | today they just said for maint. |
| 01:15.59 | Neuro_Medivh | well, they DID say they were patching beta |
| 01:16.06 | Tem | ? |
| 01:16.12 | Tem | link or it didn't happen |
| 01:16.14 | Antiarc | Meh, we'll see :P |
| 01:16.14 | bleeter | yeah, just didn't specify server, client, or both |
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| 01:16.29 | bleeter | Tem: it's buried somewhere in a blue reply in US General |
| 01:16.39 | Tem | bc or lk? |
| 01:16.56 | bleeter | can't recall.. someone linked it earlier.. lemme scrollback |
| 01:17.02 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336453924&sid=1&pageNo=2#28 |
| 01:17.22 | kd3 | bah |
| 01:17.24 | kd3 | he edited the post |
| 01:17.38 | kd3 | the quote's at #30 |
| 01:17.44 | Neuro_Medivh | Hmmm, they seems like they edited the message |
| 01:17.49 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: probably for the specific reason as not to imply there's a build being pushed |
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| 01:18.38 | Antiarc | Ah yes, I should have mentioned this. We are currently performing maintenance on our account database while patching the Beta realms. You will likely be unable to register for Beta until this process is finalized. Not to worry though, as the Beta realms are currently down anyway. ;) |
| 01:18.44 | Antiarc | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/9336453924.htm |
| 01:18.49 | bleeter | thanks kd3, I just found the scrollback. |
| 01:18.52 | Cairenn | grrr, wtf is going on with Pidgin now? it's crashing constantly |
| 01:18.58 | Antiarc | Cairenn: Which version? |
| 01:19.06 | Antiarc | I'm using 2.4.2 without problems |
| 01:19.17 | Cairenn | 2.4.2 and now 2.5 (just upgraded) |
| 01:19.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: o_0 i'm using the latest without issue |
| 01:19.18 | bleeter | 2.5.0.... remove all plugins, cair? |
| 01:19.29 | Antiarc | What's new in 2.5? |
| 01:19.35 | bleeter | also, you could try starting from cmd with the debug log foo happening, so you can see where it's crashing |
| 01:19.49 | bleeter | Antiarc: bunch of DoS fixes, plugin API update |
| 01:19.54 | Antiarc | "Fix a bug that caused the UI to not refresh and caused the client to use 99% CPU when an XMPP account lost its connection to the server. " |
| 01:19.54 | Antiarc | YAY |
| 01:20.05 | Antiarc | That bug is terrible |
| 01:20.14 | Cairenn | just disabled everything, will see if it behaves now |
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| 01:22.56 | Wobin | http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/145933/The_Raven |
| 01:22.59 | Wobin | that's kinda cool |
| 01:23.11 | Wobin | takes any page/rss etc and generates a wordmap |
| 01:23.49 | NightHawkTheSane | that is pretty neat |
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| 01:25.19 | NightHawkTheSane | would make a nice wallpaper, too. |
| 01:25.39 | Wobin | one step ahead of you =) |
| 01:25.47 | Wobin | it's my desktop atm\ |
| 01:25.51 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, very nice. |
| 01:26.39 | Wobin | note, it -is- a java app |
| 01:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah... |
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| 01:30.45 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, i rescind my "pretty neat" statement, and upgrade it to "damn cool" |
| 01:31.31 | Wobin | got a good example? |
| 01:32.31 | Wobin | woo |
| 01:32.33 | Wobin | sonnet 18 |
| 01:32.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I just did this, http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/145967/Sonnet_%2318 |
| 01:32.46 | NightHawkTheSane | heh :p |
| 01:33.02 | Wobin | all singing all dancing all public interwebs =P |
| 01:33.10 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 the interwebs. |
| 01:33.12 | Wobin | the scaling is done really well |
| 01:33.40 | Wobin | this is a fascinating exercise in automatic kerning |
| 01:33.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. i'm very impressed |
| 01:33.54 | Wobin | I'm quite impressed |
| 01:34.51 | Wobin | rofl http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/145959/I%27M_THE_KIND_OF_GIRL |
| 01:35.46 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
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| 01:38.00 | Lunessa | i have returned. |
| 01:38.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ~flee |
| 01:38.18 | purl | ACTION runs away screaming |
| 01:38.31 | Dagmar | Ah, but do you have the know of getting dropdown widgets into Addon Studio? |
| 01:38.58 | Dagmar | Dunno if I'm hitting a Google blind spot, or if I'm just bowbed |
| 01:40.59 | Cide | http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/145976/Home |
| 01:42.06 | Lunessa | Cide - awesome. |
| 01:42.11 | Cide | yep! |
| 01:42.23 | Lunessa | Dream Theater = WIN |
| 01:42.29 | Cide | agreed |
| 01:42.37 | Wobin | http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/145979/ee_cummings_if_every |
| 01:43.25 | Cide | so many good words too |
| 01:45.22 | Cide | I can't decide what bg to have |
| 01:46.28 | Cide | three versions |
| 01:46.40 | Cide | with that image in the center, of course (Home) |
| 01:47.21 | Cide | 1) black bg, no border [around image]. 2) black bg, white border [around image]. 3) dark blue/grey bg, white border [around image] |
| 01:47.33 | Cide | suggestions? |
| 01:49.00 | Jagannath | Anyone know of a way to possibly make a macro or something for when I turn Fraps on/off so I can tell when it's recording etc. ? |
| 01:49.02 | NightHawkTheSane | so.. it manages to handle very large text inputs with relative grace.. |
| 01:49.02 | NightHawkTheSane | http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/145991/The_HitchHiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy |
| 01:49.08 | Jagannath | Maybe play a sound on keypress or something |
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| 01:49.24 | Cide | what did you paste, NightHawkTheSane? |
| 01:49.26 | Cide | a whole book? :P |
| 01:49.36 | NightHawkTheSane | the complete text of hitchiker's guide (the book) |
| 01:49.41 | Cide | nice |
| 01:49.44 | NightHawkTheSane | (just the first one) |
| 01:49.47 | Cide | shouldn't be too difficult though |
| 01:50.02 | Cide | just need a simple hash with counts |
| 01:50.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. its kind of interesting what words it pulls out of that, actually |
| 01:50.30 | Cide | isn't it just the highest count? |
| 01:50.41 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm not sure. |
| 01:51.06 | smcn | HMMM... Sound\Creature\Lich King\SW_LichKing_StormwindAttack02.wav ..months behind? |
| 01:53.25 | Cide | settled for grey/blue bg with white border |
| 01:55.36 | bleeter | smcn: suspect the previously threatened return of the Scourge Invasion from the Naxx launch ;) |
| 01:56.15 | smcn | yeah, we already know there's gonna be something going on in org too from npc dialog in warsong hold/BT :) |
| 01:56.26 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: there's an option for word limit |
| 01:56.29 | Wobin | in the editing pane |
| 01:56.31 | smcn | the razing of orgrimmar.. can't wait to see that |
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| 01:56.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh, i missed that |
| 01:57.08 | Wobin | "increase to LUDICROUS amounts!" |
| 01:57.25 | bleeter | a world event that incorporates the Scourge Invasion.. and what Kazzak was doing @ BC launch will be total win ... lots of QQ too, of course, but lots of win ;) |
| 01:57.38 | Wobin | hehe http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/146006/Aristotle |
| 01:59.15 | Cide | oh |
| 01:59.18 | Cide | it had to be done: http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/146012/Obvious_source_is_obvious |
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| 02:01.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: the main problem with ludicrious sized texts is just pasting it into the damn field. >.> |
| 02:01.57 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 02:02.18 | Wobin | rofl |
| 02:02.20 | Wobin | on cide |
| 02:02.22 | Wobin | oh cide |
| 02:02.27 | Wobin | I was -just- doing that! |
| 02:03.19 | Cide | Wobin: haha |
| 02:04.40 | NightHawkTheSane | also, 50k word max takes a long time to lay out. |
| 02:04.58 | NightHawkTheSane | and the words get really. really. tiny. |
| 02:04.58 | Lunessa | Bah, Kant couldn't. |
| 02:05.54 | Cide | NightHawkTheSane: ya, you Kant do that. |
| 02:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | haha @ http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9244877791&sid=1&pageNo=5#82 |
| 02:06.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That's an epic edit |
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| 02:07.12 | Icecoldcoke | Lol |
| 02:07.14 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: Threads in CSF that have been moved from General tend to get that kinda treatment |
| 02:07.27 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: oh I know - that one was just rather /good/ |
| 02:07.27 | bleeter | the ones to look out for are ones that get locked while the GMs 'clean them up' before responding |
| 02:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Worth a mention |
| 02:07.38 | bleeter | nah, yesterdays was better.. lemme find it |
| 02:08.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, Microsoft needs to quit inventing web standards |
| 02:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | This is beginning to seriously piss me off |
| 02:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/introducing-compatibility-view.aspx |
| 02:08.56 | Corrodias | oh, no wonder i like Bashiok so much |
| 02:09.34 | Corrodias | according to the d3 wiki, it's Drysc under a new name. although i suppose i can't say whether that's accurate. |
| 02:09.56 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: WTF? Are they on crack? |
| 02:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: like I don't even have words for that |
| 02:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It's... ... |
| 02:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Frustrating |
| 02:10.22 | Lunessa | No shit. That's... retarded. |
| 02:10.25 | Antiarc | *headdesk* |
| 02:10.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: that makes me die a little inside. |
| 02:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: I do a fair amount of web programming - not really design - but this REALLY makes me mad |
| 02:11.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Their "standards mode by defult" will help but uh |
| 02:11.14 | ScytheBlade1 | karma----------------- |
| 02:11.40 | Aznamir | beta up? |
| 02:11.43 | erikd | <-- web developer by trade |
| 02:11.46 | erikd | and IE SUCKS |
| 02:11.46 | ScytheBlade1 | They continually invent meta tags and pseudo standards to allow backwards compatability with broken standards |
| 02:11.50 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: that's totally fucked |
| 02:11.53 | Antiarc | YAY LET'S EXTEND IE6/7's ALREADY TOO-LONG LIFE |
| 02:11.55 | Corrodias | all it says is that it will optionally render things like IE7 would, at the user's request |
| 02:11.56 | Antiarc | :( |
| 02:12.02 | Antiarc | IE6 is the bane of my friggin' existance |
| 02:12.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Which in turn means that people will now code for "compatability mode" |
| 02:12.07 | erikd | i can't count the number of hours we've spent making sites work in IE6 |
| 02:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Which... argh |
| 02:12.17 | Corrodias | ah. hmm. |
| 02:12.21 | Lopeppeppy | IE6 and 7 make me scream in pain. |
| 02:12.30 | Antiarc | IE7 is a lot better but still bad |
| 02:12.35 | Antiarc | IE6 is an abortion of a nightmare. |
| 02:12.50 | Corrodias | i don't suppose you have the option of not supporting it |
| 02:12.51 | ScytheBlade1 | IE8 was really going places |
| 02:12.52 | Lunessa | Where I work, the web team designs for IE7... that makes me die inside. |
| 02:13.01 | Antiarc | Ugh, seriously? |
| 02:13.03 | ScytheBlade1 | But now they had to mess it all up and go invent more pseudo standards and end user "features" |
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| 02:13.07 | Antiarc | I do not have the option of not supporting it, no |
| 02:13.12 | Antiarc | And IE8 is pretty bad so far |
| 02:13.16 | Antiarc | Have you played with it? |
| 02:13.22 | Antiarc | I made the decision to not even try to support it yet |
| 02:13.25 | Antiarc | Because it's so broken |
| 02:13.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: the "standards mode by default" was a HUGE step forward |
| 02:13.31 | Lunessa | They say "as long as a feature works in IE7 and 'degrades gracefully' in other browsers.." and I curl up and die. |
| 02:13.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Huuuuuuuge |
| 02:13.34 | erikd | IE7 is a good lowest common denominator to design for |
| 02:13.35 | Antiarc | Well |
| 02:13.38 | Antiarc | That's in theory |
| 02:13.41 | Lopeppeppy | Degrade my arse. *sigh* |
| 02:13.42 | Antiarc | It doesn't actually work that way yet |
| 02:13.48 | Cide | haha |
| 02:13.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 02:13.49 | Cide | this is just gold |
| 02:13.51 | Cide | "This lets you use Internet Explorer 8 to see what your site looks like in IE8" |
| 02:13.54 | Cide | awesome. |
| 02:14.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I read the IE blogs - the IE team blog, a few others |
| 02:14.21 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: OK, I lied.. more than one day ago.... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9232544309&sid=1 |
| 02:14.21 | ScytheBlade1 | So I generally know a bit more than most regurgatated news sites linking to it - it *was* looking really good |
| 02:14.25 | bleeter | 3 days ago |
| 02:14.32 | smcn | cide: failicious |
| 02:14.40 | Cide | awesomicious |
| 02:14.48 | ScytheBlade1 | But I haven't actively played with it, so if you know otherwise Antiarc I'll take your word at face value |
| 02:15.02 | Antiarc | I set it up in a VirtualPC VM |
| 02:15.19 | ScytheBlade1 | And you set a strict doctype? |
| 02:15.22 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 02:15.23 | Antiarc | Always |
| 02:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Well there's a bit more hope for the future singed |
| 02:15.36 | smcn | heh, in the stormwind/orgrimmar attack voiceovers you can hear ner'zhul if you listen closely |
| 02:16.04 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: okay that first page is in |
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| 02:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, IE8 is probably the best example of embrace and extend we've ever seen out of MS |
| 02:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | From InPrivacy(TM) to Compatability View |
| 02:17.50 | Wobin | http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/146046/BRK_focus is a good example of using this to make a cool tshirt |
| 02:18.13 | ScytheBlade1 | InPrivate posting: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/25/ie8-and-privacy.aspx |
| 02:18.14 | Icecoldcoke | bkeeter : Roflmao at the whole thread. |
| 02:18.19 | Icecoldcoke | bleeter* |
| 02:19.04 | End | wow |
| 02:19.08 | End | my net connection fails |
| 02:19.16 | End | also this keyboard fails |
| 02:19.20 | Duman | whee |
| 02:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | "We're going to clone FireFox's erase data idea" (nothing wrong with that - at all) "and then add entirely new ways of managing privacy, all of which are hopelessly confusing and seriously going to piss off advertising agencies" |
| 02:20.09 | Antiarc | Also known as "porn mode" |
| 02:20.20 | Dagmar | End: G15, man. |
| 02:20.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: which blocks cookies from sites seen on more than ten sites |
| 02:20.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: read: silently dropping cookies from advertising firms (why?!) |
| 02:20.36 | Duman | yeah I have a G11 and love it |
| 02:20.48 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: It wipes history and cookies at the end of a session |
| 02:20.57 | Antiarc | Which makes multi-session tracking very difficult |
| 02:21.04 | Dagmar | I still think someone at Logitech lost their minds to have split the features into two models |
| 02:21.21 | Duman | well, G15 is just G11+display, no |
| 02:21.22 | Duman | ? |
| 02:21.27 | Dagmar | I mean, I don't use the LCD screen for a whole heck of a lot other than as a pizza timer, but everything else is awesome |
| 02:21.31 | Duman | LOL |
| 02:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Read into that post a bit more; they introduced more privacy tracking methods, one of which counts the total number of sites that cookies from one specific site is loaded into, and if that number is >10, that cookie is never ever sent again |
| 02:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (Really) |
| 02:21.41 | Dagmar | I wrote a hideous kludge of a clock app for it in Linux. ;) |
| 02:21.47 | Duman | I use most of my G-keys for raid target marks ;-) |
| 02:21.52 | Duman | haha nice |
| 02:21.53 | Antiarc | Man, that's going to be a pain in the ass for legit developer.s |
| 02:22.02 | Dagmar | I gotta hunter, so I have to pretty much use those for abilities and macros. Heh |
| 02:22.06 | Duman | ok, not most... but 8 of them :P |
| 02:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Like... |
| 02:22.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Do the IE devs hate web designers? |
| 02:22.15 | Duman | heh |
| 02:22.18 | ScytheBlade1 | They're kind of blurring the line here! |
| 02:22.23 | Duman | IE makes babyjesus cry |
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| 02:22.29 | Duman | heck, s/IE/Microsoft/ |
| 02:22.32 | Lopeppeppy | IE gives me migraines. |
| 02:22.43 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: If they don't make programming for the web so painful that people resort to buying skills in a shrink-wrapped box, they lose their technical lead. |
| 02:22.52 | Dagmar | granted, they're leading people to hell, but it's profitable for them |
| 02:23.15 | Tem | no realms yet |
| 02:23.17 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.26 | Antiarc | It's only just now crossed 8 hours |
| 02:23.27 | Duman | any patch info yet? |
| 02:23.32 | Antiarc | They still have another 1.5-2 hours to go |
| 02:23.32 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, I though this was an upgrade? |
| 02:23.34 | kd3 | they said 8-10, didn't they? |
| 02:23.34 | Cide | web programming is easy with a good framework |
| 02:23.38 | Cide | for example django |
| 02:23.38 | Dagmar | Whoa? Servers have been down all day or something? |
| 02:23.44 | Antiarc | Cairenn: 2.5 is running fine for me |
| 02:23.45 | Duman | beta servers, yes |
| 02:23.48 | Antiarc | Dagmar: yes |
| 02:23.54 | Lopeppeppy | Long upgrade/update cycle thingie. Go for a walk. |
| 02:23.57 | kd3 | no word. zarhym edited his post to remove the word "patch", so... I dunno |
| 02:23.57 | Dagmar | Interesting |
| 02:24.03 | Anaral | Didn't servers go down at 9am PDT? |
| 02:24.03 | Duman | peppy: long walk!! ;-) |
| 02:24.05 | End | ok |
| 02:24.06 | End | so |
| 02:24.09 | Duman | kd3: no |
| 02:24.10 | End | net connection issues :( |
| 02:24.11 | Duman | err |
| 02:24.11 | Antiarc | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/7585098.stm |
| 02:24.12 | Duman | nooooooooooooo |
| 02:24.13 | End | GAHHH |
| 02:24.13 | Antiarc | hahahah |
| 02:24.17 | Dagmar | Yeah they're usually not down this long. I just assumed they'd already be back up and fine again |
| 02:24.18 | Duman | (slow repeat on this kbd) |
| 02:24.23 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, a Zarhym post, yay! |
| 02:24.40 | Antiarc | The hilarious bit is that that's a very secure password |
| 02:24.46 | Tem | they said 8-10 |
| 02:24.51 | Tem | it's been 9.5 |
| 02:24.57 | Duman | yeah |
| 02:25.03 | Antiarc | They went down at about 11 PST didn't they? |
| 02:25.06 | Antiarc | That's when I went to bed |
| 02:25.06 | Tem | servers went down at 10 |
| 02:25.09 | Duman | I recall doing the mental math this AM and it would be up at 8pm |
| 02:25.10 | Antiarc | Oh, hm |
| 02:25.13 | Wobin | Antiarc: TERRIBLE |
| 02:25.17 | Tem | yeah, same here, Duman |
| 02:25.22 | ScytheBlade1 | How big is it? |
| 02:25.27 | Antiarc | Wobin: The article, or my sleep schedule? |
| 02:25.32 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1: that's what -she- said! |
| 02:25.34 | Duman | I dunno if there really even is a patch |
| 02:25.36 | Duman | LOL! |
| 02:25.36 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, still no word of a patch at all |
| 02:25.37 | Dagmar | I guess they're probably prepping the production db for all the new database junk they'll be storing for players for hair and so on |
| 02:25.38 | Wobin | Antiarc: article |
| 02:25.41 | ScytheBlade1 | o_o |
| 02:25.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Do we have a supposed build number? |
| 02:25.49 | Duman | I *hope* there's a push |
| 02:25.52 | ScytheBlade1 | The EU blues usually post it |
| 02:25.53 | Dagmar | Everyone might come up bald tonight. |
| 02:25.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ?sid=2003 |
| 02:25.55 | Duman | sbo: no word yet |
| 02:26.18 | Cide | Antiarc: what's scarier is that the staff member could read the password.. meaning it hasn't been hashed |
| 02:26.23 | Antiarc | Yup. |
| 02:26.29 | Duman | cide: makes me weep |
| 02:26.30 | Antiarc | That occurred to me. |
| 02:26.33 | Duman | and die a little inside |
| 02:27.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh, non-hashed passwords have their places. The real problem is a staff member having arbitrary access to it. |
| 02:27.20 | Duman | sbo: true, true... |
| 02:27.21 | Wobin | especially to change |
| 02:27.21 | Cide | non-hashed passwords for a bank? |
| 02:27.22 | Dagmar | Dunno about that. Hashing is cheap. |
| 02:27.25 | Antiarc | Honestly, banks are probably one of the better cases for non-hashed passwords |
| 02:27.27 | Duman | oh was that a bank?? |
| 02:27.32 | Cide | how so? |
| 02:27.33 | Wobin | but in regards to a telephone password, generally it needs to be plaintext |
| 02:27.37 | Antiarc | Because a) you have old people who need someone to be able to read their password back to them |
| 02:27.41 | Wobin | yeah |
| 02:27.42 | Duman | hmm |
| 02:27.47 | Cide | screw that |
| 02:27.49 | Dagmar | PAtented or not you can freely use DES if you can say with a straight face you couldn't come up with your own |
| 02:27.49 | Cide | write it down |
| 02:27.52 | Antiarc | b) their other security measures are DAMNED GOOD which usually precludes DB theft |
| 02:28.04 | Lunessa | Holy crap - rogues - currently over-represented in raiding - are up in arms about potentially not being superior raid DPS in WotLK. |
| 02:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: sure. I actually don't hash passwords that I use in a database I keep for multiple systems - I use AES_CRYPT(string, key) with salts |
| 02:28.05 | Duman | not like it's hard to make up a quick hash routine |
| 02:28.08 | Antiarc | c) It's not like the password could be upgraded to a more valuable account by a malicious staff member |
| 02:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That way I can SELECT the plaintext copy and use it wherever it is needed |
| 02:28.21 | Antiarc | Lunessa: Because we don't bring ANYTHING else to raids |
| 02:28.21 | Dagmar | Lunessa: That's odd, I usualyl have no problems staying ahead of rogues |
| 02:28.36 | Dagmar | Antiarc: Um... crowd control |
| 02:28.38 | Antiarc | Warlocks and hunters are outdamaging rogues in late Sunwell gear |
| 02:28.41 | Antiarc | Hahaha, what? |
| 02:28.44 | Antiarc | Rogues bring CC to raids? |
| 02:28.46 | Antiarc | Are you high? |
| 02:28.47 | Duman | heh |
| 02:28.50 | Cide | oh well, sleeptime |
| 02:28.51 | Cide | later |
| 02:28.58 | Dagmar | No, I've just done MgT enough that I'll take any CC I can get |
| 02:29.04 | Dagmar | Usually we have the rogue pulling in there |
| 02:29.06 | Duman | that's not a 'raid' |
| 02:29.07 | Lunessa | Dagmar: As an enhancement shaman I've made rogues cry. But a well-played rogue makes it hard to keep up with their DPS numbers. |
| 02:29.12 | Antiarc | MgT is not a raid. |
| 02:29.14 | Duman | you can even use them in 10mans |
| 02:29.15 | Antiarc | MgT is casual playtime. |
| 02:29.19 | Duman | but 25man = wtfbbq |
| 02:29.34 | Duman | you need an in-combat cc usually |
| 02:29.40 | Duman | (if any at all) |
| 02:29.40 | Dagmar | Ah well, not _everyone_ can be head of the DPS charts |
| 02:29.49 | Antiarc | Yes, and rogues should be |
| 02:29.54 | Antiarc | Because they bring absolutely nothing else. |
| 02:30.00 | Lunessa | Antiarc: I just think some of the people in this thread are getting worked up needlessly and need to go outside for a walk. |
| 02:30.02 | Antiarc | No buffs, no in-combat CC, no healing, no tanking |
| 02:30.03 | Dagmar | That sounds like broken logic there. |
| 02:30.06 | Duman | make blind 60sec in PvE ! |
| 02:30.11 | Duman | ;) |
| 02:30.23 | Dagmar | I'd be clamoring for more CC abilities or osmething rather than to get lumped in with raw DPS |
| 02:30.29 | Duman | heck, pallys have 60s cc now |
| 02:30.33 | Antiarc | That's a great idea. Then we can have rogues required to spec sub for raiding and still have 30 sec of CC downtime :P |
| 02:30.33 | Neuro_Medivh | I have to admit, I'm curious as to what the DK role in raids will be. |
| 02:30.43 | Dagmar | I doubt they'll raise damage up much for rogues because that + stunlock == 2009 Rogue Arena |
| 02:30.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh, well played rogues are great CC in 5-man dungeons |
| 02:30.52 | Duman | yes, in 5mans |
| 02:30.54 | Antiarc | DKs bring debuffs, group buffs, and good damage. |
| 02:30.55 | Duman | no one is arguing that ;) |
| 02:31.02 | Antiarc | Rogues are fine in 5-mans |
| 02:31.05 | Dagmar | They could probably use a wider variety of poisons, to be sure |
| 02:31.07 | Neuro_Medivh | group buffs, not really |
| 02:31.09 | Antiarc | But you don't min-max 5-mans either |
| 02:31.15 | kd3 | blood aura <3 |
| 02:31.18 | ScytheBlade1 | True |
| 02:31.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 02:31.20 | Antiarc | Whereas you have to min-max raid groups |
| 02:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | You do if you're bad |
| 02:31.21 | Duman | yes blood aura is sex |
| 02:31.28 | Wobin | whassit do? |
| 02:31.29 | Neuro_Medivh | Blood Aura is nerfed |
| 02:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | And if you're bad you'll probably min-max wrong |
| 02:31.45 | Duman | any dmg you do heals you for 2% of it |
| 02:31.49 | Wobin | ah |
| 02:32.04 | Duman | altho I did like it better when it was the DK's self-heals propogated to all party members |
| 02:32.06 | Neuro_Medivh | and DKs can only realistically get 1 of the 3 group buffs |
| 02:32.07 | Wobin | who gets the aggro? |
| 02:32.18 | Wobin | oh the dk only |
| 02:32.27 | Duman | no, it changed |
| 02:32.27 | Neuro_Medivh | AND, all three are superceded by Enh Shaman buffs |
| 02:32.30 | NightHawkTheSane | I like the current Blood aura. |
| 02:32.56 | Dagmar | Hm... gf just logged in and is playing fine. Looks like some are back up at least |
| 02:33.20 | Neuro_Medivh | live servers are fine I believe, it's beta that's down |
| 02:33.26 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 02:33.33 | Lopeppeppy | My live server, AD, is in the suck right now. |
| 02:33.52 | End | Mine is fail too |
| 02:33.59 | Duman | yay fail |
| 02:34.04 | Dagmar | According to the server status page some of 'em are definitely goin' up and down |
| 02:34.26 | Lopeppeppy | We are worse than at 2 dollar whooooore rith now. |
| 02:34.29 | End | well |
| 02:34.29 | End | it's fail for me and 3 others in our raid |
| 02:34.29 | End | we had to call the raid |
| 02:34.30 | End | I'm still on vent though |
| 02:34.30 | End | and I'm wandering through BT |
| 02:34.40 | erikd | anyone know what happened to the beta? |
| 02:34.42 | Lopeppeppy | We're going to call ours soon as well. |
| 02:34.49 | NightHawkTheSane | my live server (whisperwind) is up, i'm afk leveling weapon skills as we speak. :) |
| 02:34.51 | Lopeppeppy | erikd, just a long down-time today for it. |
| 02:35.07 | erikd | ah, did they release any ETAs? |
| 02:35.16 | Neuro_Medivh | 8-10 hours |
| 02:35.17 | erikd | i'm bored =/ |
| 02:35.20 | NightHawkTheSane | erikd: 8-10 hours total, that was at 10am pst. |
| 02:35.22 | Seerah | how is Whisperwind? |
| 02:35.27 | Neuro_Medivh | of which, we're about 9.5 hours in |
| 02:35.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: ... what do you mean? |
| 02:35.47 | Seerah | used to play on that server until about... 1.5 yrs ago |
| 02:35.53 | Wobin | AD has always been dodgy at times |
| 02:35.57 | Wobin | not as bad as Blackrock, mind ytou |
| 02:36.21 | End | mine is Bonechewer |
| 02:36.30 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: No steel wool in the house you can loofa with? |
| 02:37.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: I'm personally paying for that technet subscription, but typing to you on an IPv6 enabled linux box ;) |
| 02:37.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: ah *shrug*. It's okay, i honestly havn't played much the past few months. Guild blowing up made it.. frustrating.. |
| 02:37.10 | Seerah | which guild? |
| 02:37.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Sharding Epics |
| 02:37.24 | Seerah | ah, that's a "newer" one |
| 02:37.30 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, relatively speaking |
| 02:37.39 | NightHawkTheSane | we were in BT/Hyjal, though |
| 02:38.14 | Lopeppeppy | AD is the suxxors. *sigh* But at least I get to go to bed early. Right? |
| 02:38.33 | Seerah | depends, pepppy |
| 02:38.41 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm actually considering transferring off, if i can find a guild that raids on a schedule i can handle |
| 02:38.45 | Seerah | are you going to fall asleep or just lie there awake, wishing you were playing? ;) |
| 02:38.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. Must get sleeps. Rawr. |
| 02:38.55 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not an obsesser, I'm sleepy. |
| 02:39.22 | Dagmar | You could try to answer the question "Who is this Nil guy and why is he concatenating my copper?" |
| 02:39.29 | Duman | heh |
| 02:39.34 | End | it says Success |
| 02:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. I'll just read for a while. :) Night guys! |
| 02:39.43 | Seerah | nn peppy :) |
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| 02:39.47 | Duman | later peppy |
| 02:39.50 | Duman | I missed |
| 02:39.54 | End | it's mocking me! |
| 02:39.54 | End | cya Lopeppeppy |
| 02:41.39 | End | hm |
| 02:41.39 | End | beta is down. I can't stay connection to live. |
| 02:41.39 | End | guess I'll play some TF2 |
| 02:42.57 | Dagmar | Well, there's a blizzcast to listen to |
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| 02:44.19 | Dashkal | mwrarf |
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| 02:49.46 | Tekkub | clad|sleep, I KNOW this is your doing |
| 02:49.51 | Tem | yay I has servers |
| 02:49.56 | Tem | how long have they been up? |
| 02:50.00 | NightHawkTheSane | beta servers? |
| 02:50.02 | Tekkub | oh, all I had to do was bitch? sweet |
| 02:50.15 | Tekkub | I should try that more often |
| 02:50.18 | NightHawkTheSane | shit, if they're up, they must have just come up |
| 02:50.25 | erikd | ZOMG BETA |
| 02:50.26 | erikd | woohoo |
| 02:50.31 | bleeter | servers up, entering world |
| 02:50.35 | Tem | ooh, my ui scale reset |
| 02:50.36 | Syzgyn | Incoming 'OMG THEYRE UP' forum post |
| 02:50.45 | Tem | wow, seriously? |
| 02:50.47 | bleeter | Syzgyn: which forum would you prefer ;) |
| 02:50.49 | Tekkub | my ui scale NEVER resets now :) |
| 02:50.49 | Tem | I went and go icecream |
| 02:50.56 | Syzgyn | bleeter: lol |
| 02:50.56 | Tem | tried to log in on a whim |
| 02:51.04 | Syzgyn | I'd prefer none |
| 02:51.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: srsly? mine keeps doing that too |
| 02:51.07 | bleeter | and in |
| 02:51.17 | Tem | My bet is that the ui scale is saved on the server |
| 02:51.22 | Tekkub | were they down for server patching or just cause? |
| 02:51.29 | Tem | just cause |
| 02:51.34 | Tekkub | bah |
| 02:51.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: maintenence, hopefully to stabalize shit. |
| 02:51.38 | Tem | and whatever needs to be done to keep that value between server restarts hasn't been set |
| 02:51.40 | Tekkub | that's a crap reason |
| 02:51.55 | Icecoldcoke | Syzgyn: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336514353&sid=2000 |
| 02:53.33 | bleeter | lots of 'wtf pallies aren't fix fu blizz' qq lawlz... idiots |
| 02:54.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm glad most of my addons anchor properly so UI scale resetting doesn't fuck me too much |
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| 03:01.05 | Tem | sigh |
| 03:01.12 | Tem | the servers are less stable than they were before |
| 03:02.06 | Icecoldcoke | Idk about server stability, but my wow is crashing every 3 seconds |
| 03:02.17 | NightHawkTheSane | really? i havn't been booted at all.. |
| 03:03.00 | Lunessa | I like the girls and the money and the shame of life. |
| 03:03.16 | Tem | I keep getting really bad lag |
| 03:03.21 | Tem | then I get DCed |
| 03:03.28 | Tem | and I come back dead |
| 03:03.28 | kd3 | whee. a fishing pool both 30 feet in the air and in a spot where we can't fish |
| 03:04.10 | bleeter | i have no lag issues |
| 03:04.18 | bleeter | been handing in quests and fighting and stuffs |
| 03:05.09 | kd3 | same. I'm doing alright in grizzly hills |
| 03:05.51 | bleeter | would be... ironic.. if some random q isp issue popped up at the same time the beta came back, giving these folks the .. reason.. to qq about beta stability ;) |
| 03:07.18 | bleeter | then agian./.... |
| 03:07.20 | bleeter | roflz |
| 03:07.33 | Tem | kaboom |
| 03:07.49 | Tem | someone in /guild just asked something about druids? |
| 03:07.49 | erikd | someone just asked something about druids and humanoid tracking |
| 03:07.52 | erikd | what was it? |
| 03:07.53 | Icecoldcoke | Why don't they just close storm peaks |
| 03:07.54 | Tem | LOL |
| 03:07.57 | Icecoldcoke | again |
| 03:08.02 | Icecoldcoke | The zone's quests are bugged anyway. |
| 03:08.11 | bleeter | any druid beta players here? got a question about humanoid tracking in feral cat form... I can't seem to get herb tracking to 'stick' after shifting out of shape and back again, always stuck on tracking humanoids. |
| 03:08.19 | bleeter | curios if this is happening to other druids |
| 03:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: sticks fine for me, iirc |
| 03:08.32 | bleeter | yeah, that was me asking about druids |
| 03:08.41 | Tem | my druid is in SMV |
| 03:08.43 | Tem | let me check |
| 03:08.43 | erikd | yeah, it sticks for me |
| 03:08.43 | bleeter | no, it shouldn't stick, that's the thing |
| 03:08.50 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 03:08.51 | erikd | it always has for me |
| 03:08.59 | ScytheBlade1 | If I hit cat it switches to humanoids |
| 03:09.04 | ScytheBlade1 | If I drop cat it switches to herbs |
| 03:09.06 | bleeter | oh, hmm. |
| 03:09.12 | erikd | if i turn on herb tracking it'll stay with herb for me |
| 03:09.16 | bleeter | maybe i just mis-remember Live .. been so long |
| 03:09.22 | Tem | no |
| 03:09.29 | Tem | on live it won't cancel an existing tracking skill |
| 03:09.34 | Tem | this is aparently a new feature |
| 03:09.45 | bleeter | NOTABUG? |
| 03:09.54 | Tem | in fact |
| 03:10.01 | Tem | I can't get it to cast find minerals |
| 03:10.20 | Tem | oooh |
| 03:10.25 | Tem | but I'm still tracking minerals |
| 03:10.50 | Tem | I'm tracking both minerals and humanoids |
| 03:10.52 | bleeter | k, so something screwey IS going on... that's all I was really after ... thx guys :) |
| 03:10.52 | Tem | that's handy |
| 03:11.13 | kd3 | gah. someone made a strongbad reference on the forums and now I've got "the system is down" stuck in my head |
| 03:12.32 | Lunessa | .."And by really hot girl, I mean The Cheap." |
| 03:13.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: does lft do IPv6 by chance? I'm not finding a switch that makes it.. |
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| 03:17.33 | Lunessa | Is it wrong that I like Cake's cover of "War Pigs" more than the original Black Sabbath version? |
| 03:19.11 | End | great.... |
| 03:19.20 | End | same issue on beta as on live |
| 03:19.28 | End | not my day to play wow |
| 03:19.29 | Syzgyn | kd3: Do-Do-Do-Do-Dodala-Do-Dodala-Do |
| 03:23.26 | Seerah | oh, are beta servers back up? |
| 03:24.29 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Considering you're talking about Black Sabbath? Nope. |
| 03:24.53 | Lunessa | ... Wait, Black Sabbath rocked. |
| 03:25.20 | Lunessa | Oh man... I should just delete my MySpace page. The only people who ever send me messages are hookers. |
| 03:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: yes, although "up" is a relative thing |
| 03:25.44 | Seerah | heh... will be easier for me to test this still :P |
| 03:26.14 | Seerah | stupid UI scale resetting again... |
| 03:27.35 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/27/funny-pictures-da-voicez-stop/ |
| 03:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 03:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I should bookmark that and show it to people who bug me when I have a headche |
| 03:28.45 | ScytheBlade1 | That's perfect |
| 03:29.08 | Lunessa | I figured more than one person in here would feel that picture. |
| 03:29.19 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm out for the night. Ciao tutti. |
| 03:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: 23:27 < Lunessa> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/27/funny-pictures-da-voicez-stop/ |
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| 03:29.59 | Cairenn | heh, I feel that way all too often |
| 03:31.19 | Ackis | ScytheBlade1: bad you |
| 03:31.35 | Ackis | everytime someone links that site I get sidetracked for at least an hour |
| 03:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Ackis: wasn't me, read the quote ;) |
| 03:33.32 | Ackis | oh |
| 03:34.27 | Ackis | Ravenholdt: Honored - 2569/12000 (21.4%) |
| 03:34.28 | Ackis | wheeee |
| 03:34.29 | ScytheBlade1 | You should be hatin' on those not present. |
| 03:35.35 | Ackis | I wasn't hating |
| 03:35.50 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:31 < Ackis> ScytheBlade1: bad you |
| 03:35.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It's hate just the same! ;) |
| 03:37.12 | Ackis | :P |
| 03:37.46 | Ackis | someone write me a bot that grinds ravenholdt rep kthx :P |
| 03:38.45 | Dagmar | Why do you even care about that faction? |
| 03:39.05 | Ackis | 1 of 2 factions i'm not exalted with |
| 03:39.23 | bleeter | the other? |
| 03:39.33 | Arrowmaster | sindicate? |
| 03:39.46 | Ackis | ravenhold/darkmoon faire |
| 03:39.57 | Ackis | can't get syndicate faction if you get ravenholdt |
| 03:39.58 | ckknight | syndicate |
| 03:40.06 | ckknight | also, anyone play Syndicate? |
| 03:40.09 | ckknight | that was an awesome game. |
| 03:40.22 | Ackis | old school game |
| 03:40.27 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: that was the joke |
| 03:40.28 | ckknight | but awesome |
| 03:40.34 | Ackis | aye |
| 03:40.37 | Ackis | from origin right? |
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| 03:41.20 | Syzgyn | Ackis: what about Shen'dralar? |
| 03:41.32 | Ackis | exalted |
| 03:41.35 | bleeter | ckknight: yes, very cool game |
| 03:41.36 | ckknight | Ackis: Bullfrog |
| 03:41.38 | Syzgyn | good god |
| 03:41.45 | bleeter | Bullfrog did a lot of kickass games |
| 03:41.48 | Syzgyn | how many librams did you have to turn in for that? |
| 03:41.52 | ckknight | bleeter: sure did |
| 03:41.56 | ckknight | I also liked Theme Hospital |
| 03:41.58 | Ackis | Syzgyn: many |
| 03:42.00 | ckknight | that was a good game |
| 03:42.02 | Syzgyn | >_O |
| 03:42.03 | Ackis | theme hospital was the shit |
| 03:42.06 | ckknight | oh, and Dungeon Keeper series |
| 03:42.23 | Neuro_Medivh | well that didn't take long |
| 03:42.56 | bleeter | hopefully this round will annoy the QQers so much they GTFO |
| 03:43.07 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: one can only hope. |
| 03:43.13 | kd3 | 30 minutes wasn't it? |
| 03:43.15 | Ackis | this round? |
| 03:43.23 | bleeter | Ackis: PvE beta crashed again |
| 03:43.36 | Ackis | shh |
| 03:43.39 | Ackis | good |
| 03:43.44 | NightHawkTheSane | we should start a betting pool on how long before it crashes each time |
| 03:43.44 | ScytheBlade1 | No patch in the end? |
| 03:43.51 | bleeter | I mentioned this in BT General, Blizz need an AI bot that kicks and bans people who QQ too much on Beta |
| 03:43.52 | NightHawkTheSane | nope |
| 03:44.11 | Corrodias | they wouldn't even have to pay me. i'd just ban people for the good of all. |
| 03:44.17 | bleeter | and then gives me their beta key for my second account |
| 03:44.18 | Corrodias | also because i would enjoy it |
| 03:44.26 | Antiarc | bleeter: Haha, that was you? |
| 03:44.36 | bleeter | Antiarc: Ewewish the druid? aye |
| 03:44.37 | Dagmar | Sign me up for that |
| 03:44.44 | Ackis | is there a pil for ruby? |
| 03:44.44 | Antiarc | <-- Adryne, rogue |
| 03:44.54 | malreth | Ackis: no |
| 03:44.57 | Antiarc | Ackis: Google Ruby Pickaxe |
| 03:45.21 | Ackis | ty Antiarc |
| 03:49.25 | bleeter | kd3: check Beta CSF.. someone's come up with a way to crash the server at will |
| 03:49.32 | bleeter | *allegedly |
| 03:49.36 | kd3 | ya. I saw when the thread was in general |
| 03:49.47 | kd3 | was gonna tell him to email hacks but belf saw the thread before I could respond |
| 03:50.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it gone now? |
| 03:50.40 | Dagmar | Posted to general? |
| 03:50.44 | kd3 | he didn't post it |
| 03:50.47 | kd3 | ard's smarter than that |
| 03:50.55 | Dagmar | I was gonna say there must be a brain shortage somewhere |
| 03:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 03:50.57 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336494345&sid=2000 |
| 03:50.58 | bleeter | nah, it's in Beta CSF... details will be posted and edited out and belfaire's gunna pass it on |
| 03:50.58 | End | I accidently forgot to actually upload the new version of one of my addons, so now one of the old versions is mislabeled :P |
| 03:51.04 | bleeter | or, at least, a SS |
| 03:51.41 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case, it's probably less embarassing than the arena bug |
| 03:51.56 | Duman | hmm |
| 03:52.14 | Duman | sbo: csf post? ;) |
| 03:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336494345&sid=2000 is the thread in question which is relevant to this moment |
| 03:52.38 | Duman | yes, that |
| 03:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The "arena bug" was a while ago on the live servers |
| 03:54.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Who is Perez? |
| 03:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone in here? |
| 03:55.08 | Duman | sbo I thnk he already posted and dleted it |
| 03:55.11 | Duman | (port 3 missing) |
| 03:55.12 | Duman | *post |
| 03:55.16 | kd3 | that was me |
| 03:55.18 | Duman | oh |
| 03:56.17 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: that's me... I've been asking for a couple of days for a Beta GM email address.. no response as of yet |
| 03:56.27 | End | ah hah |
| 03:56.34 | End | it's all about the protodrakes |
| 03:56.36 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, there's the post |
| 03:56.45 | End | I just kinda randomly came back to the thread |
| 03:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | eh |
| 03:56.51 | End | and I didn't even look at the OP |
| 03:57.01 | End | and then kd3 said too many people were spamming refresh |
| 03:57.06 | End | and I was like, oh, there's stuff :P |
| 03:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not so sure that's the reason for the server crash... |
| 03:57.32 | Neuro_Medivh | what is that UI stuff at the bottom? Is that new graphics that my BT4 is hiding? |
| 03:57.47 | Neuro_Medivh | or is that some mod? |
| 03:57.48 | kd3 | that's the vehicle UI and "probably" |
| 03:57.49 | End | ScytheBlade1: yeah, I'm not so certain either |
| 03:57.53 | End | but |
| 03:58.04 | End | they can check easier than we can |
| 03:58.09 | ScytheBlade1 | They can |
| 03:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | But not to say too much, you *can* fly in Azeroth |
| 03:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Without nuking the server, mind you |
| 03:58.32 | Thunder_Child | no patch then? |
| 03:58.35 | ScytheBlade1 | No patch |
| 03:58.48 | Shirik|zZz | I'll patch your face |
| 03:58.48 | Dagmar | I wonder if they'll let use use the space helmets |
| 03:58.52 | Thunder_Child | oddly long downtime for no patch |
| 03:59.05 | ScytheBlade1 | something broke |
| 03:59.08 | End | Shirik: my face is already patched, with the souls of the damned |
| 03:59.08 | ScytheBlade1 | badly |
| 03:59.13 | bleeter | they were doing auth server work, iirc |
| 03:59.13 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, but my last name isnt adams |
| 03:59.19 | Shirik | huh? |
| 03:59.27 | Thunder_Child | bad pun |
| 03:59.30 | Thunder_Child | patch adams |
| 03:59.43 | Duman | *smack* |
| 03:59.46 | End | and I'm just silly |
| 03:59.54 | End | and not the good kind of silly |
| 04:00.09 | Thunder_Child | like putty bad> |
| 04:00.11 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 04:00.28 | End | could be |
| 04:01.34 | Thunder_Child | uh...did something new happen to the chat? |
| 04:01.44 | kd3 | hm? |
| 04:01.52 | Thunder_Child | 21:00:48 [1] [Dameren]: ...lol... (CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL) |
| 04:01.54 | Thunder_Child | 21:00:50 [1] [Foco]: PURO BUENO (CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL) |
| 04:01.56 | Thunder_Child | 21:00:51 [S] [Organs]: [Orcish] HA HA (CHAT_MSG_SAY) |
| 04:01.58 | Thunder_Child | 21:00:54 Dragonspeak completed. (CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM) |
| 04:02.00 | Thunder_Child | 21:00:54 Experience gained: 10050. (CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM) |
| 04:02.02 | Thunder_Child | 21:00:54 Received 2 Gold, 40 Silver. (CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM) |
| 04:02.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Spam much? |
| 04:02.04 | Thunder_Child | damn, no way to stop that |
| 04:02.24 | bleeter | I'm not seeing that |
| 04:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Check your addons? ;) |
| 04:02.33 | Thunder_Child | must be prat3 then |
| 04:02.49 | bleeter | looks like some stray debug, to me |
| 04:04.17 | Thunder_Child | odd...wasnt here the last time i logged on |
| 04:05.45 | *** join/#wowuidev WobWork (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 04:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Man northrend is just covered in flight points |
| 04:05.58 | Shirik | I'll cover your face in flight points |
| 04:05.59 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: looks like devtools |
| 04:06.01 | WobWork | and dtevent |
| 04:06.04 | Shirik | hey ScytheBlade1, did you see what I said earlier about the bot? |
| 04:06.22 | WobWork | Does your bot bother you, Shirik? |
| 04:06.23 | ScytheBlade1 | No, I did not :( |
| 04:06.33 | Shirik | it was pretty awesome |
| 04:06.36 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, i dont have it installed |
| 04:06.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, your linker bug? |
| 04:07.12 | Shirik | no, the ##c++ bot |
| 04:07.19 | Shirik | the one that was asking questions |
| 04:07.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 04:07.27 | WobWork | aside from going insane, what happened? |
| 04:07.32 | Shirik | Today it did something different, it started answering questions instead of asking them |
| 04:07.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I /parted that channel before sleeping last night |
| 04:07.35 | Shirik | (18:33:44) (@Shirik) Now we have one answering questions instead... |
| 04:07.35 | Shirik | (18:34:20) (@Shirik) "vawjrwrk, the excess of classes can hurt the health of the CPU performance" |
| 04:07.39 | bleeter | rofl |
| 04:07.51 | WobWork | brilliant |
| 04:08.01 | ScytheBlade1 | That is some _really_ impressive trolling |
| 04:08.16 | Shirik | I gotta admit it is |
| 04:08.45 | Slix | I |
| 04:08.46 | Slix | JUST |
| 04:08.47 | Slix | GOT |
| 04:08.50 | Slix | A COOLER FOR MY LAPTOP |
| 04:08.58 | Shirik | get a six pack too? |
| 04:09.02 | Thunder_Child | ping sylvanaar |
| 04:10.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 04:10.57 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 04:18.28 | Duman | beta servers actually up (well, and stable?) |
| 04:18.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@86-60-157-18-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 04:18.51 | erikd | no |
| 04:18.52 | ScytheBlade1 | yes no |
| 04:18.56 | Duman | heh |
| 04:19.01 | Duman | up=yes, stable=no? :-) |
| 04:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | crashing as we speak |
| 04:19.03 | ScytheBlade1 | kinda |
| 04:19.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Correct |
| 04:19.12 | Thunder_Child | pftt, there was no lag |
| 04:19.17 | erikd | i've been running from dragonblight to icecrown "unmounted" for about 5 minutes now |
| 04:19.23 | Duman | hacker |
| 04:19.27 | kd3 | whee |
| 04:19.31 | erikd | just got dc'ed |
| 04:19.42 | erikd | i didn't make it into icecrown =/ |
| 04:21.31 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: what farclip are you running at? |
| 04:21.55 | kd3 | bc-level iirc |
| 04:22.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Whenever I extend it past that I crash out pretty quickly |
| 04:22.17 | Syzgyn | is the whole server borked, or is it just northrend still? |
| 04:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Just curious if you were seeing that still |
| 04:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | s/still// |
| 04:22.29 | *** join/#wowuidev cayres (n=cayres@ip68-103-160-30.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 04:22.31 | erikd | just northrend i think |
| 04:22.35 | erikd | i was playing my dk for awhile |
| 04:22.37 | kd3 | config.wtf's saying 727 |
| 04:22.39 | Syzgyn | ok |
| 04:22.50 | Duman | hmm |
| 04:23.00 | Tem | kd3, have they announced the new level 80 mage spell? |
| 04:23.05 | kd3 | nope |
| 04:23.09 | Tem | bleh |
| 04:23.17 | WobWork | any ideas what it'll be? |
| 04:23.18 | ScytheBlade1 | bump it to 1777 when you get bored and see if you crash out within a few minutes of flying around |
| 04:23.40 | Duman | heh |
| 04:23.44 | kd3 | crap. logged in and froze. apparently in combatg |
| 04:23.47 | kd3 | whee free repair bills |
| 04:24.04 | Duman | I've been at a full loading bar for the last 5 mins |
| 04:24.15 | Duman | (still the splash screen) |
| 04:24.15 | ScytheBlade1 | northrend is still down |
| 04:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Icecrown is also amazingly incomplete |
| 04:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | So whomever was going to go poking isn't missing much :P |
| 04:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | (I never DC'd) |
| 04:27.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay that is an epic win screenshot |
| 04:27.20 | Seerah | quit breaking it |
| 04:27.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And bam segfault |
| 04:27.23 | Seerah | :) |
| 04:27.26 | Ackis | 860 kills left until I turn in junkboxes |
| 04:27.33 | erikd | yeah, i've seen icecrown already |
| 04:27.33 | kd3 | ack; o_O; |
| 04:27.40 | WobWork | Ackis: >< |
| 04:27.47 | Syzgyn | Ackis: sick |
| 04:27.48 | erikd | i have screenshots of untextured flying machines |
| 04:28.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamash (n=Jamash@194.sub-75-211-147.myvzw.com) |
| 04:28.30 | Jamash | Guess where I am! |
| 04:28.30 | erikd | should probably go to bed anyway, g'night all |
| 04:28.30 | kd3 | the hell? fark: [Scary] The crane's to blame, it's mainly in the train |
| 04:28.37 | kd3 | what is with the crane crashes of late? |
| 04:29.00 | Duman | gravity's a bitch? :) |
| 04:30.12 | Jamash | nobody cares where I am :( |
| 04:30.48 | Duman | woo, finally booted to login screen |
| 04:31.16 | Tem | the servers are in awful shape tonight |
| 04:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, I took a lot of screenshots it seems |
| 04:31.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 1:30 so far of time spent converting them :P |
| 04:32.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Or it's this stupid bug again, hmm |
| 04:32.15 | Duman | sigh |
| 04:32.29 | Jamash | I'm on the train to PAX! |
| 04:32.35 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 04:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb PAX |
| 04:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | If they did it one week /earlier/ it'd be a possibility |
| 04:33.32 | kd3 | ah, memories... the escaflowne soundtrack |
| 04:33.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i feel bad for not going to pax. |
| 04:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | it's in my freaking backyard. |
| 04:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:34.20 | Jamash | awww |
| 04:34.30 | NightHawkTheSane | (no, really, it's a ~30m walk/10m bus ride to the convention center from my apt) |
| 04:34.45 | Syzgyn | nice |
| 04:34.54 | Syzgyn | I might go to the east coast one when they do it |
| 04:35.12 | Jamash | what are you doing instead? |
| 04:35.31 | WobWork | he is playing wow |
| 04:35.33 | WobWork | or attempting to |
| 04:35.40 | NightHawkTheSane | zing. |
| 04:35.52 | Duman | well |
| 04:36.01 | Duman | I'm not even going to bother trying to beta any more tonight, heh |
| 04:36.02 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, im going camping with some friends, won't even be near a computer. will be nice. |
| 04:36.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ZOMG UNRELEASED CONTENT - http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Wrath/WoWScrnShot_082708_222700.jpg |
| 04:37.07 | ScytheBlade1 | So don't click if you don't want to see Icecrown yet but uh |
| 04:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That is one awesome screenshot |
| 04:37.20 | kd3 | sweet |
| 04:37.29 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 04:37.31 | Jamash | not enough bandwidth on the train for screenshots :( |
| 04:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ~105kb |
| 04:37.48 | Thunder_Child | teh fail shot |
| 04:38.03 | Thunder_Child | the rear building looks 2D |
| 04:38.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That would be Dalaran |
| 04:38.13 | Syzgyn | Ooooh aaah |
| 04:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I just really really like the contrast between the two |
| 04:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | In architecture and... 'goals' haha |
| 04:42.48 | Sixen | Beta done yet? |
| 04:43.05 | kd3 | I'm gonna break all of my gear tonight |
| 04:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: meh. thank zoot the next time you see him. ;) |
| 04:43.55 | smcn | duman: yeah i've just started trying and i'm already frustrated :P |
| 04:43.55 | Tem | having max gold on my toon for a few minutes was fun :) |
| 04:44.03 | smcn | er wow |
| 04:44.06 | smcn | that was like 8 minutes ago |
| 04:44.09 | smcn | gg scrolling |
| 04:44.40 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-37-84.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:46.04 | Ackis | is there a neutral AH in everlook? |
| 04:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 04:46.18 | Ackis | sweet |
| 04:47.21 | kd3 | 5 npcs all with aimed shot in a very close spot? fail |
| 04:47.28 | ScytheBlade1 | grizzly hills? |
| 04:47.34 | kd3 | ya |
| 04:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I /bugged those mobs they pissed me off so much |
| 04:48.13 | Sixen | kd3 or sbo, is the beta DL up? |
| 04:48.13 | kd3 | no new patch |
| 04:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | They two-three shot me with their aimed shots |
| 04:48.13 | Sixen | Orly? |
| 04:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I was rather verbose in that quest feedback |
| 04:48.13 | Duman | Yarly |
| 04:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | And yeah no patch |
| 04:48.24 | Sixen | Hai2u Spidey, =] |
| 04:48.28 | Duman | :P |
| 04:48.34 | Duman | what's new? |
| 04:48.48 | Sixen | Nothin much... No work or school work today, I was happy. |
| 04:48.49 | Sixen | ;) |
| 04:48.56 | Duman | hehe |
| 04:49.10 | Duman | I had work :P |
| 04:49.14 | Duman | at least no work on Monday |
| 04:49.22 | Sixen | Heh, yeah, ;) |
| 04:49.33 | Sixen | *that* work? |
| 04:49.46 | Duman | ? |
| 04:50.35 | Sixen | The one you were telling me about the other day? |
| 04:50.55 | Sixen | About how you were one of the first employees, etc |
| 04:50.59 | Duman | hehe |
| 04:51.01 | Duman | yes, that job :P |
| 04:51.06 | Sixen | =] |
| 04:51.09 | Duman | I need a vacation |
| 04:51.17 | Duman | I have 11 weeks saved up -- somehow |
| 04:51.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 04:51.22 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 04:51.26 | Duman | looked at my paystub and it said "480 hours" |
| 04:51.28 | Duman | I was like "......." |
| 04:51.36 | Duman | so I think I'll take October off, for starters ;) |
| 04:51.39 | Sixen | Whoa.. Nice! |
| 04:51.43 | Sixen | Ahahaha, all of it, ;) |
| 04:51.51 | kd3 | rofl. 15g repair. haven't done that in a while |
| 04:51.58 | Sixen | You should take off from Thanksgiving -> New Years |
| 04:52.10 | Thunder_Child | Duman, save a month for WotLK release |
| 04:52.12 | Duman | for serious |
| 04:52.16 | Sixen | =] |
| 04:52.17 | Duman | haha no joke |
| 04:53.18 | WobWork | huh |
| 04:53.25 | WobWork | I have 30 days |
| 04:54.00 | WobWork | I could totally do that =P |
| 04:58.18 | Syzgyn | kd3: hate hate hate |
| 04:58.57 | kd3 | hm? |
| 04:59.04 | Tem | I give up |
| 04:59.15 | Tem | beta is unplayable tonight |
| 05:01.08 | Syzgyn | 15g repair bill... hate |
| 05:02.19 | kd3 | that's pretty bad for a clothie |
| 05:02.37 | Thunder_Child | "Mythbusters S06E10 NASA Moon Landing" kinda curious about what they said |
| 05:02.47 | kd3 | tc; it was pretty good |
| 05:03.09 | Thunder_Child | guess i'll have to go watch it |
| 05:03.43 | smcn | dl just started from my feed / |
| 05:05.21 | ccox | What is the limit on the number of items in a single Lua table in WoW? |
| 05:05.25 | ccox | was it 10k? |
| 05:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | something absurd |
| 05:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh quite a bit more than that |
| 05:05.56 | Duman | yeah I think lootlink had a hojillion |
| 05:05.59 | smcn | 65335? |
| 05:06.06 | kd3 | I'd like tho hazard a guess of 2^16-1 |
| 05:06.09 | kd3 | s/tho/to/ |
| 05:06.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably more than that |
| 05:06.12 | Duman | you mean 65535? :) |
| 05:06.18 | smcn | yes! |
| 05:07.36 | Arrowmaster | hmm i wonder if it can do it before it runs out of time |
| 05:07.41 | Duman | hmm, might be more than that |
| 05:08.05 | Arrowmaster | lua> t={} while true do table.insert(t, true) end |
| 05:08.07 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: not enough memory |
| 05:08.47 | Arrowmaster | clad|sleep: ^^ think you need to upgrade your ram |
| 05:09.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lua>380450/3 |
| 05:09.05 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 126816.66666667 |
| 05:09.10 | ScytheBlade1 | At _least_ that many |
| 05:09.33 | ccox | ok, so that blows my current operating theory (that at 11k items we were overflowing the Lua table) |
| 05:09.42 | smcn | lua> t = {} while i = 1, 2^16-1 do table.insert(t, true) end |
| 05:09.42 | lua_bot | smcn: luabot:1: 'do' expected near '=' |
| 05:09.48 | smcn | fail! |
| 05:10.04 | Duman | does lua use ^ or ** ? |
| 05:10.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 05:10.09 | Duman | (for exponent) |
| 05:10.10 | smcn | lua> t = {} while i = 1, (2^16-1) do table.insert(t, true) end |
| 05:10.10 | lua_bot | smcn: luabot:1: 'do' expected near '=' |
| 05:10.17 | kd3 | lua>5^12 |
| 05:10.18 | lua_bot | kd3: 244140625 |
| 05:10.20 | smcn | er |
| 05:10.25 | kd3 | lua>5**12 |
| 05:10.26 | lua_bot | kd3: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '5' |
| 05:10.28 | smcn | i suck |
| 05:10.33 | Arrowmaster | smcn: you do |
| 05:10.45 | WobWork | That's what -she- said! |
| 05:10.49 | smcn | it's for ;/ |
| 05:10.50 | Arrowmaster | lua> t = {} for i = 1, 2^16-1 do table.insert(t, true) end |
| 05:10.51 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: No output |
| 05:10.57 | Duman | does lua have a XOR operator? |
| 05:11.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Not by default |
| 05:11.13 | Duman | ahh |
| 05:11.19 | ScytheBlade1 | bitlib added the bitwise funcs |
| 05:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is bundled with WoW |
| 05:11.47 | Duman | xor is rad |
| 05:12.39 | ScytheBlade1 | boo, have to be up in 8 hours |
| 05:13.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:13.12 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 05:14.27 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, for the love of.. |
| 05:14.47 | Iriel | the love of beetroot? |
| 05:14.54 | bleeter | mm beetroot |
| 05:15.04 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. beetroot. |
| 05:15.09 | bleeter | mmm root |
| 05:15.15 | bleeter | ^^ wobin ;) |
| 05:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | at least i finally finished the ampitheatre quests |
| 05:16.13 | NightHawkTheSane | amphitheater* |
| 05:16.58 | WobWork | That's what -she- said! |
| 05:17.08 | WobWork | =) |
| 05:17.38 | NightHawkTheSane | :p |
| 05:17.40 | bleeter | fwiw, live realms are having issues atm, too. seems there's some major US AT&T problem... not really paying that close attention, though, not quite sure if this info is accurate |
| 05:18.24 | Diao | eh? |
| 05:18.28 | Diao | i'm on at&t and not having any issues |
| 05:18.46 | bleeter | and yes, I'm still trying to work out how to reply to 'qq Beta dead' with 'stfu>fo', but minus the abbreviated profanity |
| 05:18.47 | Duman | if YOU are on AT&T, you probably won't have issues, tehn :) |
| 05:18.58 | bleeter | yeah, what Duman said ;) |
| 05:19.00 | WobWork | http://mediumlarge.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/medlarge6982.jpg |
| 05:19.25 | WobWork | bleeter: hm |
| 05:19.37 | WobWork | sthu>ho |
| 05:19.41 | WobWork | with h as heck |
| 05:19.49 | kd3 | hell is an ok word to use |
| 05:19.57 | WobWork | could be considered profanity |
| 05:20.02 | kd3 | T-rated game |
| 05:20.08 | kd3 | hell, damn, bastard: all ok |
| 05:20.16 | WobWork | yet bugger isn't |
| 05:20.22 | WobWork | =( |
| 05:20.34 | bleeter | well, we can presume it isn't, because sodomy isn't |
| 05:20.54 | WobWork | clearly hell is more acceptable than sodomy =P |
| 05:21.11 | kd3 | of course. everything's more acceptable than sex in the US. |
| 05:21.12 | bleeter | which is odd, because one's a concept and the other is a legal term... /shrug |
| 05:21.43 | WobWork | It's amazing that the americans manage to procreate |
| 05:21.55 | ckknight | woo, America! |
| 05:22.03 | WobWork | Heck yeah! |
| 05:22.05 | bleeter | WobWork: they don't. they use their economic muscle to buy babies from overseas ;) :P |
| 05:22.35 | WobWork | www.russianbabes.ru |
| 05:22.51 | bleeter | ah, seppos... what would we do without them. have a heck of a lot less to point and laugh at, that's fer sure :P |
| 05:23.03 | WobWork | we'd probably turn on the kiwis |
| 05:23.29 | bleeter | did you see that Gruen Transfer episode with the 'invented' advers encouraging .au to invade .nz? |
| 05:23.34 | bleeter | *adverts |
| 05:23.56 | WobWork | PS, 'seppos' is one of the most amusing obscure rhyming slang ever |
| 05:23.59 | bleeter | 'If you sign up to the .au military to help invade .nz, there's a day off work in it for you' << hahaha |
| 05:24.05 | WobWork | rofl |
| 05:24.09 | kd3 | the hell? |
| 05:24.17 | WobWork | I've seen the Gruen Transfer once =\ |
| 05:24.20 | WobWork | need to watch it more |
| 05:24.26 | bleeter | yeah, was very good |
| 05:24.29 | WobWork | what the hell does the name stand for anyway? |
| 05:24.50 | bleeter | Gruen was the designer of shopping malls who came up with the technique to 'force' people into shops and stuff |
| 05:24.54 | WobWork | did you see the ads for the nz army? |
| 05:25.32 | ccox | nz has an army? |
| 05:25.43 | bleeter | by shaping the mall in such a way that they had to walk past each and every shop to get anywhere... the 'transfer' is ... an allusion to getting sucked in by adverts designed to make us spend money in certain ways |
| 05:25.43 | WobWork | http://copyranter.blogspot.com/2008/08/new-zealand-looking-for-few-goodtetris.html |
| 05:25.50 | ccox | I thought all they had were sheppards.... |
| 05:25.54 | bleeter | ccox: I can't recall, there's some parts of armed forces they don't have |
| 05:26.22 | WobWork | air force? |
| 05:26.36 | WobWork | They probably have a navy |
| 05:26.40 | WobWork | being an island and all that |
| 05:26.48 | bleeter | ~wiki gruen transfer |
| 05:28.05 | WobWork | hmmm |
| 05:28.09 | WobWork | is this podcasted? |
| 05:28.40 | bleeter | http://www.abc.net.au/tv/gruentransfer/ |
| 05:28.45 | bleeter | doesn't look like it :( |
| 05:28.53 | WobWork | damnit =( |
| 05:29.04 | bleeter | btw, it's a Denton production, if you didn't know |
| 05:29.08 | bleeter | damn that guy is good |
| 05:29.39 | WobWork | woo |
| 05:29.43 | WobWork | I have episode 10 |
| 05:30.05 | WobWork | pity they don't have the other episodes |
| 05:31.02 | smcn | hmm i think i'm the one crashing northrend, both times i've tried to log on my dk i succeed, and then get kicked back to character selection in 2 seconds with world server down ;/ |
| 05:31.22 | Duman | I doubt it's you ;) |
| 05:33.36 | WobWork | bleeter: ahaha |
| 05:33.44 | WobWork | all the episodes are there |
| 05:33.48 | WobWork | just not linked directly |
| 05:39.10 | bleeter | oO sweet!! |
| 05:51.39 | Tekkub | All this time I spend staring at the NR loading screen I can't help but think... |
| 05:51.56 | Tekkub | aren't those bumps on Frostmourne's handle UNCOMFORTABLE? |
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| 05:53.21 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, do i even want to know what you are doing with said handle that makes it so uncomfortable? |
| 05:53.31 | bleeter | Tekkub: depends where you're putting it |
| 05:53.33 | Iriel | Ribbed for... |
| 05:53.35 | Iriel | never mind |
| 05:53.51 | Tekkub | but it's NOT ribbed.. that I could understand.. .better grip |
| 05:54.01 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 05:54.01 | Tekkub | it have these spikey lumps |
| 05:54.11 | Tekkub | like, one dead center in your palm |
| 05:54.18 | bleeter | Tekkub: do you really what this # to go there? haha |
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| 05:54.21 | Thunder_Child | depressions are the best. they handle the blood runnof |
| 05:54.28 | Thunder_Child | f |
| 05:54.42 | Tekkub | Thunder_Child, in the handle, or the blade? |
| 05:54.51 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, handle |
| 05:54.58 | Tekkub | hrm... okey |
| 05:56.22 | Wobin | I always come into the conversation at interesting points |
| 05:56.40 | Tekkub | yea you missed..... |
| 05:56.41 | Tekkub | <Tekkub> aren't those bumps on Frostmourne's handle UNCOMFORTABLE? |
| 05:57.08 | Tekkub | too much time spent reloading UI :) |
| 06:01.12 | Thunder_Child | "The Leyroy Neman of Seamen" |
| 06:15.17 | Tekkub | More COrky goodness http://www.flickr.com/photos/26681170@N03/2805438774/ |
| 06:16.22 | Wobin | tefalgren? |
| 06:16.36 | Tekkub | duo partner's Pally |
| 06:17.23 | Tekkub | his druid's named Evanor... we're doing the Amber Ledge quests the other night in Borean and who do they send us to rescue? |
| 06:17.27 | Tekkub | LADY Evanor |
| 06:17.36 | Tekkub | he'll never live that down |
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| 06:18.03 | Wobin | hehe |
| 06:18.10 | Wobin | dude looks like a lady |
| 06:18.11 | ccox | lol |
| 06:19.00 | Tekkub | so now, all that's left are the less-used buffs like thorns, fear ward, etc and clad's live-compat layer |
| 06:19.10 | ccox | better than "lady looks like a dude" |
| 06:19.35 | Thunder_Child | damit Wobin, now that song is stuck in my head |
| 06:21.03 | Tekkub | hrm.... |
| 06:21.04 | Thunder_Child | aqua does good music if you like bubblegum pop |
| 06:21.27 | Tekkub | should I go back on my "No screenshots" policy and start putting together a few? |
| 06:21.56 | Tekkub | now that I got Jing working without shitting itself when WoW's open |
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| 06:33.26 | ReAn | Tekkub |
| 06:33.34 | ReAn | were you able to train your leveling partner? |
| 06:33.50 | Tekkub | he's all tired this week due to DNC |
| 06:33.58 | Tekkub | he's a cop and works downtown |
| 06:34.22 | ccox | ouch |
| 06:34.30 | ReAn | DNC? |
| 06:34.44 | ccox | Democratic Convention |
| 06:34.45 | Tekkub | democrat nat'l convection |
| 06:35.03 | ReAn | ah |
| 06:35.04 | ccox | (aka: chaos without direction) |
| 06:35.12 | ReAn | american politics stuff... fun |
| 06:35.18 | Tekkub | yea, exactly |
| 06:35.46 | ccox | (as opposed to RNC: fascists with horrifying direction and drive) |
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| 06:37.14 | Tekkub | it's all stupid anyway :P |
| 06:37.37 | Thunder_Child | (as opposed to Blizzcon: Chaotic Nerds with horrifying direction and drive) |
| 06:38.07 | Tekkub | heh, Cork's 110 KiB... that's too damn big |
| 06:38.14 | Tekkub | I bet it's cause of AceEvent embed |
| 06:39.19 | bleeter_ | someone correct me if I'm wrong, but was it UBRS that was the untested patch that went out and was bugged to hell and back? |
| 06:39.35 | kd3 | s/ubrs/bwl/ |
| 06:39.35 | bleeter_ | ie, no PTR, no beta... nuffin |
| 06:39.48 | bleeter_ | bwl.. thanks.. yeah, knew it was BWM somewhere, thanks :) |
| 06:39.51 | NightHawkTheSane | can someone tell me if the [flyable] condition evaluates positively in Northrend BEFORE you've learned cold weather flying? |
| 06:40.16 | kd3 | nhts; I've heard they fixed it so it's correctly evaluating false until you've learned it |
| 06:40.19 | Tekkub | hrm... the more I look at the map, the more I can't help but think Northrend == Australia |
| 06:40.25 | kd3 | but I was 77 already when they fixed it |
| 06:40.46 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: heh, thanks. I'd check myself.. but northrend is down, gasp. shock. |
| 06:40.52 | Tekkub | uhm, last I saw it WASN'T fixed |
| 06:40.57 | Tekkub | but /cast Mount Name was |
| 06:41.01 | nevcairiel | bleeter: bwl actually had a PTR |
| 06:41.16 | kd3 | but they didn't test the instance... |
| 06:41.30 | nevcairiel | that may be true |
| 06:41.37 | nevcairiel | but the patch was on ptr |
| 06:41.43 | nevcairiel | i remember me doing the attunment |
| 06:41.44 | kd3 | due to raiders going "we don't want to be spoiled! let us see the instance for the first time live" |
| 06:41.52 | bleeter_ | anyways, my point was to a 'can't test stuff if it crashes' qq |
| 06:42.08 | bleeter_ | idiots |
| 06:42.29 | Antiarc | http://www.xfire.com/live_video/antiarc/ <--- whee, broadcasting beta |
| 06:43.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: boo, windows only? |
| 06:43.08 | Antiarc | I dunno, I guess so |
| 06:43.18 | Thunder_Child | ~lol NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:43.19 | purl | ACTION Laughs out Loud at NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:43.21 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3, Tekkub: to be sure, I just tested, [flyable] is evaluating true even if you DO NOT have cold weather flying. :\ |
| 06:43.28 | kd3 | bah |
| 06:43.45 | Tekkub | like I said :P |
| 06:44.02 | NightHawkTheSane | that'll put a crimp this.. hmm.. does cold weather flying show up in the spellbook? can i iterate through that and check for it? |
| 06:44.20 | kd3 | yes |
| 06:44.23 | nevcairiel | I bet they'll fix flyable if you remind them to |
| 06:44.40 | Thrae | One of my cats came into my room and disappeared into one of my sock drawers. I can't find her. |
| 06:44.42 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: I will,and I've no doubt they will, but I want this to work now, not later. ;) |
| 06:44.59 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 06:45.03 | Tekkub | Thrae, close the drawer, see if she jumped out behind |
| 06:45.29 | Thrae | Tekkub: I'm not going to listen for a little yelp to determine where my cat is :D |
| 06:45.58 | Tekkub | no no, you won't be able to close it all the way |
| 06:47.24 | bleeter | and, it seems, we have our first Beta Ban appeal post in CSF |
| 06:47.36 | Tekkub | oh? |
| 06:47.51 | bleeter | GM beta tools are down atm, but seems he is accused of trying to sell gold, if only jokingly |
| 06:48.08 | Tekkub | right... |
| 06:48.13 | Tekkub | people are retards |
| 06:48.18 | bleeter | that's to say, as GM tools are down, Gms aren't commenting and thus can't say anything to the OP's allegation of reasoning, etc. etc. etc. |
| 06:48.53 | bleeter | this guy at least has some creativity... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336664538&sid=1 |
| 06:50.01 | bleeter | anyways, at least confirmation that GM Beta tools are down atm heh |
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| 06:56.54 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. is the only way to get a spell ID from a spell name through parsing the spell link? |
| 06:57.28 | NightHawkTheSane | or, more specifically, if I'm iterating the spellbook looking for the existence of a specific spell, is that the only way to get my current spell's id? |
| 06:58.54 | Syzgyn | current spell as in? |
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| 06:59.08 | Syzgyn | oh, nevermind |
| 06:59.19 | zenzio | fine, I won't |
| 06:59.25 | Tekkub | existance? GetSpellInfo("Spell Name") |
| 06:59.35 | Tekkub | no iter needed |
| 07:00.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: er, well, by existence i meant "does the player have the spell" GetSpellInfo returns spellinfo regardless |
| 07:00.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I could compare by spell name, but i'd rather do it by spell id to avoid localization issues |
| 07:00.35 | Syzgyn | GetSpellInfo doesnt return the ID anyway |
| 07:00.47 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: I did that in an addon, lemme go check what I did |
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| 07:01.20 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, GetSpellInfo with a string returns nil if the player does not know the spell |
| 07:01.28 | Tekkub | with an id it always returns info |
| 07:01.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: ah, touché. |
| 07:01.59 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. |
| 07:02.01 | Tekkub | it makes for super easy lookups |
| 07:02.16 | Tekkub | even by ID... GetSpellInfo(GetSpellInfo(1234)) |
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| 07:02.26 | Syzgyn | exactly like that ^ |
| 07:02.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that just occurred to me as you said that |
| 07:02.51 | NightHawkTheSane | awesome, thanks. |
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| 07:04.21 | Arrowmaster | hmm bored and cant decide what anime to rewatch now |
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| 07:05.51 | Elkano | Arrowmaster, BECK |
| 07:06.04 | Corrodias | it has been so long since i've seen any that i really shouldn't say anything else. |
| 07:06.18 | Arrowmaster | Elkano: dont have it |
| 07:06.30 | Corrodias | excel saga? :/ |
| 07:06.50 | Arrowmaster | ok that i have |
| 07:06.56 | Corrodias | saikano? i haven't seen it, but it has a nice name |
| 07:07.01 | ccox | depends on how you feel |
| 07:07.01 | kd3 | beck anime; meh. I can't get over the hideous engrish. beck manga: <3 |
| 07:07.06 | Arrowmaster | ive only managed to force myself through 2 eps of it though |
| 07:07.08 | kd3 | saikano's good if you want to kill yourself |
| 07:07.16 | ccox | if you feel sober, watch FLCL and you won't feel sober aftewards |
| 07:07.17 | Elkano | yeah, currently rereading BECK manga ^^ |
| 07:07.18 | kd3 | horribly depressing |
| 07:07.26 | Corrodias | kd3: oh joy |
| 07:07.31 | Elkano | saikano is good, yeah, but strange ^^ |
| 07:07.54 | Elkano | Ishigo Mashimaru |
| 07:08.04 | kd3 | meh, if ever I introduce someone to saikano I always show them A-E's warning at the end of ep 10 |
| 07:08.21 | Arrowmaster | i was bored earlyer this week and was rewatching cowboy bebop but then i got to the serious plot eps half way into it and stoped |
| 07:08.25 | Elkano | if you liked it, stop now? |
| 07:09.12 | Corrodias | i'm not familiar with the warning |
| 07:09.19 | Elkano | reminds me I should finish watching Starship Troopers |
| 07:09.33 | Elkano | (yeah, there's an anime of that) |
| 07:09.49 | Arrowmaster | isnt that new? |
| 07:10.03 | ccox | an anime of a really bad movie? Who woulda thought.... |
| 07:10.13 | ccox | or is the anime actually based on the book? |
| 07:10.23 | Arrowmaster | first movie wasnt that bad, 2nd was fucking horible |
| 07:10.28 | Arrowmaster | havent seen the 3rd |
| 07:10.39 | ccox | movie was really bad if you ever read the book |
| 07:11.00 | kd3 | saikano warning: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/6ecbb39e792cc2912c32b5826f42a2bf.png |
| 07:11.16 | ccox | lovely |
| 07:11.17 | Elkano | based on the book, I'd say at least 20 years old ^^ |
| 07:11.46 | Corrodias | the end of happiness :o |
| 07:12.06 | Elkano | yeah, almost worse then eva |
| 07:12.21 | kd3 | though (that takes place as the ED starts for ep 10) I still have nightmares about ep 9 on occasion |
| 07:12.27 | Corrodias | which i also have somehow managed not to see yet |
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| 07:12.41 | kd3 | eva the tv series just goes acid trip |
| 07:12.49 | kd3 | eva the movies are pretty depressing, yah |
| 07:12.58 | Arrowmaster | the last 2 eps of the tv eva do not exist |
| 07:13.21 | Arrowmaster | just say no |
| 07:13.24 | kd3 | s/eva the movies/end of eva/ |
| 07:13.49 | ccox | end of eva is sorta depressing, sorta trippy |
| 07:14.17 | ccox | the sad part is that most of it really wasn't accounted for in the series, just sorta got shoved in there and made to fit |
| 07:14.21 | Arrowmaster | fuck i cant even remember the movie ending now |
| 07:14.35 | ccox | I really wonder if they couldn't decide how to end it and just sorta gave up |
| 07:14.45 | Corrodias | i was never really clued in to the order of events here. what's end of eva? |
| 07:14.48 | ccox | (Evangelion for the clueless) |
| 07:14.49 | kd3 | anno couldn't come up with an end |
| 07:14.57 | Arrowmaster | NGE |
| 07:15.17 | ccox | (ok, Neon Genesis Evangelion for the hopelessly clueless) |
| 07:15.22 | Corrodias | a movie? is it supposed to be at the end of... other movies, or the tv series? |
| 07:15.51 | kd3 | "end of eva" are two hour-long eps that got released in theatres to replace eps 25 and 26, more or less |
| 07:16.03 | Elkano | but the OST from EoE is great... "Komm süÃer Tod" <3 |
| 07:16.59 | Jamash | my sister likes end of eva |
| 07:17.05 | Elkano | well, anno made ep 25/26 as he wanted but the community didn't like it... so he went "screw you... if you don't like it, I'll just kill them..." :/ |
| 07:17.09 | Jamash | she may be the only one |
| 07:17.16 | Corrodias | what is anno? |
| 07:17.24 | kd3 | hideaki anno, the director |
| 07:17.43 | Elkano | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideaki_Anno |
| 07:18.27 | Arrowmaster | i watched ep 25/26 but it was so fucked up i had no clue what happened |
| 07:18.40 | Corrodias | if i ever get around to watching this stuff, i wonder if it'll be everything or just a small part of it |
| 07:19.06 | Arrowmaster | 'everything' is kinda impossible |
| 07:19.51 | Corrodias | impossible? why? |
| 07:19.54 | Arrowmaster | ive seen a lot but still not watched some stuff that others might considered as 'must watch' |
| 07:20.10 | Arrowmaster | unless your talking about eva speciicly? |
| 07:20.10 | Corrodias | from a cursory glance i see 26 eps and 4 movies |
| 07:20.20 | Corrodias | yes, just that |
| 07:20.36 | Arrowmaster | ive never watched the frist movie |
| 07:20.45 | Elkano | Eva was once broadcasted on German television after midnight... I used to watch it... |
| 07:20.46 | Arrowmaster | since its just a recap of the tv series |
| 07:20.56 | Corrodias | this? http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=4847 |
| 07:21.01 | Arrowmaster | with nothing new at all |
| 07:21.26 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: thats the newest movie |
| 07:21.29 | Elkano | when they broadcasted ep25/26 my parents usddenly decided to check what I was watching there... they still didn't recover completely ;) |
| 07:21.45 | Corrodias | newest? it says first of 4 |
| 07:21.51 | Corrodias | or are they making additional ones even now? |
| 07:22.10 | Arrowmaster | most people outside of japan probably havent seen that one yet i bet |
| 07:22.12 | Corrodias | did you mean this, then? http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=326 |
| 07:22.18 | Elkano | Arrowmaster ment "Death and Rebirth" |
| 07:22.33 | Elkano | yeah |
| 07:22.34 | Arrowmaster | dont think its out on dvd yet in japan so no fansub |
| 07:24.25 | Corrodias | okay, so the series is the original content, the first movie is a summary with the first part of an alternate ending, and the second movie (end of eva) is the second part? |
| 07:25.13 | kd3 | meh, read [[The End of Evangelion]] article's lead-in. it does a pretty good job of explaining how they all tie together |
| 07:25.14 | Corrodias | uh oh. it's all tagged with "symbolism". i'm not always very good with that. |
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| 07:26.00 | Jamash | eva is symbolic as hell |
| 07:26.14 | Jamash | not all of it actually means anything |
| 07:27.03 | Corrodias | it sounds very... "japanese". i might just have to pass on the whole thing; i don't get along with shows like that. never understood Lain. |
| 07:28.07 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah |
| 07:28.11 | Arrowmaster | i still need to finish that |
| 07:29.17 | Corrodias | i think that series is supposed to be some kind of artistic symbolism, which would explain why i never got it |
| 07:32.05 | Corrodias | abstract commentary on sociopolitical backwash are incompatible with my brain |
| 07:32.11 | Corrodias | *is |
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| 07:33.55 | Arrowmaster | what about a first ep thats just talking about the best way to eat sweets? |
| 07:34.27 | kd3 | it's the anime version of seinfeld. talking about nothing |
| 07:34.35 | Arrowmaster | i disagree |
| 07:34.43 | Arrowmaster | i fucking hate seinfeld |
| 07:34.51 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 07:35.11 | Corrodias | i should find videos of the WWI |
| 07:35.32 | Corrodias | because i bet there are some "lol" |
| 07:36.51 | ccox | seinfeld - a has-been, unfunny, annoying, whining "comedian" --- a perfect match for Microsoft Vista |
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| 07:37.28 | Corrodias | stream in .flv? eww |
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| 10:27.29 | NightHawkTheSane | er.. mt. |
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| 11:57.44 | batrick | anyone know how they would start another users X session alongside your own on the same computer? |
| 11:58.03 | batrick | such that you can quickly switch between them (preferably with a couple key presses) |
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| 12:04.58 | Bouvi | Seems some are missing the point that it is a cartoon contest about UIs. One looks like a political cartoon lol. |
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| 12:05.23 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.06 | Bouvi | That is sad. More competition the better. :D I hope mine qualify. My wife is going to kill me if I don't try to win a beta key lol. |
| 12:06.24 | Bouvi | But win or lose, I had fun :D |
| 12:06.29 | Cairenn | yours qualify, you followed the rules |
| 12:06.54 | Bouvi | There were rules.... Sorry could not help it. |
| 12:07.25 | Bouvi | Today has started off crappy so trying to inject humor in it. |
| 12:07.26 | Cairenn | :p |
| 12:08.34 | Bouvi | My #1 student has a TV interview today for being #1 in the nation out of 700 competitors in our martial arts organization and she is very sick. :( |
| 12:08.44 | Cairenn | :( |
| 12:11.30 | jnwhiteh | purl, botmail for arrowmaster There's nothign wrong with the memory in lua_bot, there is simply an intentional memory limitation that shouldn't be hit while doing things that actually aren't malicious. The bot has plenty of RAM available to it, trust me there :P |
| 12:11.35 | krka | which definition of sick? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sick |
| 12:11.47 | Bouvi | Streap throat they think |
| 12:11.52 | krka | could be number 12, since you said "she" |
| 12:12.01 | Bouvi | She is 13.... |
| 12:12.11 | Cairenn | Strep throat isn't fun |
| 12:12.28 | Bouvi | When I was 17 I had mono, streap and hepitatis all at once. |
| 12:12.37 | Bouvi | And I cannot spell today |
| 12:12.44 | Cairenn | O.o @ the last one |
| 12:13.08 | krka | that sucks |
| 12:15.31 | Bouvi | Night night Cairenn |
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| 12:25.20 | jnwhiteh | Anyone have a link to a BC client direct download? |
| 12:25.25 | jnwhiteh | by any chance? :P |
| 12:25.46 | Bouvi | Is there one at fileplanet.com? |
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| 12:28.15 | Cairenn|afk | jnwhiteh: did you check here? http://www.wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Main_Page |
| 12:28.35 | Elkano | jnwhiteh, maybe on wowwiki.com/Patch_Mirrors ? |
| 12:28.40 | Cairenn|afk | "Full (~2GB) 8714 Client Downloads: |
| 12:28.40 | Cairenn|afk | enUS - deDE - frFR - enGB " |
| 12:28.50 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 12:28.52 | jnwhiteh | thanks cairenn! |
| 12:28.54 | jnwhiteh | thats perfect |
| 12:28.57 | Cairenn|afk | you're welcome |
| 12:29.06 | Cairenn|afk | top right hand side menu |
| 12:30.02 | jnwhiteh | is 8714 the current live version? |
| 12:30.17 | jnwhiteh | I thought we were still on 8606, but I'm probably wrong :P |
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| 12:40.37 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: 8606 is 2.4.3, you are correct |
| 12:40.46 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 12:40.53 | jnwhiteh | i'm download from 0daypatch.info |
| 12:41.02 | jnwhiteh | gotta see how fast it is before I decide to do something else. |
| 12:41.18 | nevcairiel | 8714 was some random beta version in between, wonder how people got to that |
| 12:41.52 | jnwhiteh | anyone mind grabbing the torrents for the official BC client? |
| 12:42.10 | jnwhiteh | if 0day isn't fast enough, gonna try to do it that way |
| 12:42.23 | jnwhiteh | but it looks like i'm pulling 1.2MiB a second, so I should be done in about a half hour |
| 12:42.26 | jnwhiteh | in theory :P |
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| 13:16.55 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 | Comic Contest at WoWI: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17790 | Weather Forecast: Slightly bitchy with a chance of mmrowr fsst! |
| 13:18.49 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
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| 13:33.05 | Bouvi | Cairenn you are supposed to be doing the zzzzzzz thing. Get to bed! |
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| 14:44.03 | zenzelezz | <Bouvi> Cairenn you are supposed to be doing the zzzzzzz thing. Get to bed! <--- please stop referring to me as "thing" :-| |
| 14:44.36 | Bouvi | Trying to find a funny way to respond.... I got nothing LOL |
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| 14:48.53 | Bouvi | It is a compliment. The Thing is a superhero that is rock hard.... Wait that does not sound right... |
| 14:51.17 | zenzelezz | oh, it is right, all right |
| 14:52.42 | Bouvi | Well then say Thanks Bouvi, nice compliment. :P |
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| 14:53.00 | zenzelezz | rock hard super heroes have feelings too |
| 14:53.22 | DBE-Kinj | Hey everyone, I'm looking for an add-on to be updated and have a few upgrades made to it. This is a private project and we will be paying you for your time and service. Our previous designer is now employed elsewhere and we are looking for someone to make the additions we need. Please PM if you would like details. |
| 14:53.40 | Bouvi | I did not come up with the name. Talk to Stan Lee or whoever is in charge over there. :D |
| 14:53.51 | Bouvi | Deja'Vu :D |
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| 15:05.59 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336794719&sid=1#5 |
| 15:10.20 | Duman | whee |
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| 15:57.11 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: /cry :X |
| 15:57.19 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz? |
| 15:57.29 | Gnarfoz | suppose you didn't get around to looking at wotlk SBB, yet? ;) |
| 15:57.35 | Shadowed | It's possible |
| 15:57.36 | Shadowed | I forgot |
| 15:57.50 | Shadowed | and beta was down yesterday |
| 15:58.06 | Gnarfoz | hmm :> |
| 15:58.10 | Shadowed | ...and theres another update to download |
| 15:58.23 | Gnarfoz | yes? *starts* |
| 15:58.24 | Shadowed | oh wait thats the old one |
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| 16:01.51 | Shadowed | Need to resize this partition, but I'll get to it today when I'm back from class, promise |
| 16:04.29 | Gnarfoz | holy shit EU login is slow :X |
| 16:05.22 | p3lim | I need to find a mob with a really really really long name |
| 16:05.27 | p3lim | Anyone know of any? |
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| 16:06.12 | Lyn_ | p3lim, http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=21235 ? |
| 16:06.30 | Lyn_ | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=19367 ! |
| 16:06.30 | p3lim | Nope, too short :p |
| 16:06.43 | p3lim | Both too short :p |
| 16:06.44 | Lyn_ | :< |
| 16:09.38 | haste | why would you need a mob with a long name? |
| 16:09.49 | haste | and why not just fake it? |
| 16:09.57 | cogwheel | p3lim: do they need to be mobs? |
| 16:10.04 | cogwheel | a lot of NPCs have long names |
| 16:10.21 | p3lim | well any unit |
| 16:10.35 | p3lim | And I didnt think of faking it, thanks haste |
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| 16:11.47 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 16:17.50 | AckisWork | any wowtcg collectors/players here? |
| 16:20.38 | Cide | I know one |
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| 16:21.36 | Anaral | sylvanaar: *whiny 3 year old tone, meant to tease* Sylv, altnames is broke. Fix it, fix it! |
| 16:21.58 | Anaral | sylvanaar: I put error logs in Alpha thread on forums. |
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| 16:29.13 | p3lim | haste: oUF 1.1 hitting stable today? |
| 16:29.31 | p3lim | AckisWork: sup? |
| 16:29.32 | haste | most likely not |
| 16:30.20 | AckisWork | p3lim: you collect/play em? |
| 16:30.38 | p3lim | AckisWork: collect, aint playing much with em |
| 16:31.01 | AckisWork | ohh same here (played once, collected all the rest) |
| 16:31.41 | AckisWork | do you know what set commander michael goodchild was from? legion or betrayer |
| 16:31.57 | p3lim | No idea tbh |
| 16:32.19 | AckisWork | ahh there's two cards I'm missing from one my last set I decided to collect and it's one of them |
| 16:32.24 | p3lim | Not that into it, just got cards (birthday/christmas gifts etc) |
| 16:32.32 | AckisWork | ahh |
| 16:32.52 | p3lim | Not a huge collector, but I collect those I have/can get :p |
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| 16:33.25 | AckisWork | yah I nerded out and have all of them collected up until the illidan one |
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| 17:06.24 | Dashkal | feral powershifting dead: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/2/9023610487-energy-regen-change--intended.html |
| 17:06.56 | p3lim | ~seen Lyn |
| 17:07.03 | purl | lyn <n=Lyn@Lec7d.l.pppool.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 288d 7h 45m 20s ago, saying: ':D'. |
| 17:07.03 | Dashkal | specifically: powershifting for the prupose of making furor proc |
| 17:08.46 | p3lim | ~seen Lyn_ |
| 17:08.46 | purl | lyn_ is currently on #wowhead (10h 4m 3s) #wowuidev (10h 4m 3s) #wowace (10h 4m 3s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 1h 2m 2s, last said: ':<'. |
| 17:09.23 | Lyn_ | oO |
| 17:09.33 | End | ~seen Lyn_ |
| 17:09.34 | purl | lyn_ is currently on #wowhead (10h 4m 51s) #wowuidev (10h 4m 51s) #wowace (10h 4m 51s). Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 11s, last said: 'oO'. |
| 17:09.44 | End | :P |
| 17:09.51 | End | ~seen Lyn |
| 17:09.52 | purl | lyn is currently on #wowhead #wowuidev #wowace, last said: ':D'. |
| 17:11.51 | Anaral | And CRASH! |
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| 17:14.15 | Dashkal | wtb beta, not alpha, so I can test again :( Alpha stability == might as well grind up my herbalism so at least next patch I can do inscription stuff |
| 17:14.28 | Anaral | Lol |
| 17:14.43 | NeoTron | Dashkal: from what I understand alpha was more stable! |
| 17:14.58 | Dashkal | so I hear |
| 17:14.59 | Anaral | Yeah, not too impressed with the lack of stability during non-peak hours. |
| 17:15.58 | NeoTron | Anaral: I'm even less impressed with stability during peak hours :P |
| 17:16.21 | Anaral | Well yeah. |
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| 17:16.52 | Anaral | *sighs* The longest Ice Lance in the history of the spell, let me tell you. |
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| 17:18.41 | haste | I have my doubts |
| 17:19.55 | ccox | yeah, this beta has been a bit problematic |
| 17:20.09 | ccox | but it seems to be worse on Northrend server than on Lich King server |
| 17:21.21 | End | There's been some issues on Lich King |
| 17:21.36 | End | but yeah, I get the impression it's worse on Northrend |
| 17:21.49 | End | I kinda expected that though |
| 17:21.57 | End | and honestly, Lich King feels a little deserted |
| 17:22.18 | Dashkal | Northrend was a yoyo last night. I was thankfully off in Kalimdor, watching the poor Northrend people being booted about every 10-15 minutes |
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| 17:25.36 | Dashkal | It's CoT:Strat open now? I couldn't get in there last night |
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| 17:27.44 | Rabbitbunny | So.. I guess FuBar isn't good for WotLK yet eh? |
| 17:28.03 | End | it mostly works for me currently |
| 17:28.33 | Rabbitbunny | M'kay, then It's something I did. |
| 17:28.36 | End | it was completely failing earlier in the week, but somehow magically fixed itself and it currently fails at detecting screen width |
| 17:28.52 | End | are all the texts/icons mismatched with the tooltips? |
| 17:28.58 | End | I had that happen for a few days |
| 17:29.03 | kd3 | end; update your ace2 |
| 17:29.05 | Rabbitbunny | bah, got hit by load out of date. |
| 17:29.09 | End | kd3: oh, is that it? |
| 17:29.19 | End | I must have updated my ace2 at some point then |
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| 17:29.27 | End | because the problem went away :P |
| 17:32.52 | Rabbitbunny | Sweet, I only got one error. Attempt to compare nil or somesuch. |
| 17:37.42 | sylvanaar | Anaral ill look into it. There are a few modules that arent fully functional still |
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| 17:39.19 | Anaral | sylvanaar: Aye, and the errors were on Beta... on live there are no errors. |
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| 17:44.13 | Rabbitbunny | Interesting. WotLK cries about on of my defaults not being set, So I search for a call the to function that sets my defaults... there isn't one. BC never complained. |
| 17:44.31 | Rabbitbunny | s/on of/one of/ |
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| 17:55.08 | Rabbitbunny | ugh... the world disappeared on me again. |
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| 17:57.58 | Jelly-School | ~hug Shirik |
| 17:57.59 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Shirik |
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| 17:59.11 | Lunessa | zomg - Jelly's in school. |
| 17:59.28 | Jelly-School | INORITE |
| 17:59.46 | Jelly-School | ...and as you can see, I'm paying SO much attention. |
| 18:00.26 | Lunessa | totally. Students like you are why at least 1 professor a semester asks me if I can block wireless and other network access in their rooms. |
| 18:00.59 | ccox | too bad those little israeli cell jammers aren't legal in the US |
| 18:01.13 | ccox | nice, portable, easy to hide devices |
| 18:01.34 | Jelly-School | Actually, believe it or not, I've yet to pull my laptop out in class. I'm actually in the horrible-i-screwed-up-in-scheduling-break that I was forced to have in the middle of my day. |
| 18:01.59 | Lunessa | *chuckle* |
| 18:02.06 | haste | I have that two days a week |
| 18:02.25 | haste | but it was the only way I could set stuff up without overlapping |
| 18:02.40 | haste | but hey, that's 3h where I can get school work done :p |
| 18:02.54 | haste | especially as I don't bring a laptop |
| 18:03.00 | Lunessa | On campus. Next to the library. With free wireless. |
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| 18:03.47 | Jelly-School | ...i'm awesome |
| 18:05.22 | Jelly-School | Does Vista x64 still have horrible driver issues? |
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| 18:07.39 | Gnarfoz | Jelly-School: vista has driver issues, period |
| 18:07.48 | Jelly-School | ~sigh |
| 18:07.49 | purl | *sigh* |
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| 18:08.04 | Jelly-School | Somehow I knew expecting a yes/no wouldn't go over well in this channel. lol |
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| 18:08.21 | ccox | well, VIsta 64 is still in better shape than XP 64 |
| 18:08.22 | Gnarfoz | my answer includes "yes" |
| 18:08.49 | Gnarfoz | and xp64 is a hacked-together windows server 2003 sp1 codebase, who wants to seriously use that |
| 18:09.44 | ccox | I don't know, but they keep coming out from under their rocks |
| 18:10.52 | Jelly-School | be back in a minute or three |
| 18:11.02 | Lunessa | Jelly-School: Vista 64 has lots of issues, especially with network apps. |
| 18:14.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Pneumatus (n=WiN@unaffiliated/pneumatus) |
| 18:17.08 | alestane | Could someone ELSE please explain to this person that they don't fully understand how their macro works? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336864721&sid=1 |
| 18:20.51 | NightHawkTheSane | this is a really silly question, but uh.. is anyone here in beta with the Black Qiraji Battle Tank mount? >.> |
| 18:21.23 | Pneumatus | NightHawkTheSane: on eu alliance there are several, if that helps |
| 18:22.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: only if i can get some information from them. :P Mostly I just want to know what GetCompanionInfo() returns for that mount. |
| 18:22.42 | Pneumatus | in that case, if i see a scarab lord ill ask :P |
| 18:24.06 | Tem|Work | alestane: just let her be right |
| 18:24.36 | Tem|Work | s/right/"right"/ |
| 18:24.58 | Tem|Work | some people are too dense to help |
| 18:25.14 | Tem|Work | but then, I guess that's why I'll never make a good teacher |
| 18:25.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i really hate macro kiddies like that. |
| 18:25.29 | alestane | Well, I'm done talking to her. But her macro doesn't work as well as she thinks it does, only she can't tell because she's not getting error messages. |
| 18:26.00 | Lunessa | ... someone complains that 10 seconds to open a Word 2007 doc is too slow... *g=headdesk* |
| 18:26.16 | ckknight | alestane: I'm sorry about the dum users |
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| 18:33.06 | Lunessa | alestane: That's the dumbest macro I've ever seen. |
| 18:33.18 | Lunessa | And I've seen an assload of dumb macros |
| 18:33.38 | alestane | I *tried* to warn her... |
| 18:34.15 | Lunessa | I have a simple rule - I don't help the willfully stupid. |
| 18:35.49 | AckisWork | is this macro dumb: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Ackis/MyMacros#One_button_SW:P.2FRenew |
| 18:37.08 | alestane | AckisWork: You could rearrange it and make it more compact. |
| 18:37.29 | AckisWork | alestane: that's what I was thinking |
| 18:37.41 | alestane | But it looks like it does what it's meant to do. |
| 18:37.52 | AckisWork | sometimes it glitches out I think |
| 18:38.10 | AckisWork | ie: I have a mob targeted and try to cast SW:P but I just get the highlighted finger |
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| 18:40.56 | Wikwocket | AckisWork: those are some nice macros on your page |
| 18:42.10 | Mery | well at least now i know *without searching* how to clear my focus when the focus is dead, so at least you helped me :) thank you. |
| 18:42.31 | AckisWork | Wikwocket: ty |
| 18:42.41 | Dashkal | AckisWork: I'm so so very sorry: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/20/9336864920-achievements-update.html |
| 18:43.31 | AckisWork | Dashkal: lol doesn't bother me, I haven't done any achievements on beta, just doing ones on live that I think I can get |
| 18:43.40 | Dashkal | heh, good deal |
| 18:43.49 | Dashkal | Glad they're doing it. My DK's level 80 achievement can go away finally |
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| 18:44.17 | NightHawkTheSane | cool |
| 18:44.20 | Dagmar | Mary: /cleartarget didn't kind of suggest to you that /clearfocus might exist as well? |
| 18:47.45 | Lunessa | lol "the deadzone will be reduced to: <left ear><deadzone><right ear>" |
| 18:48.24 | Dagmar | Man I'd so love to see something like that in official patch notes |
| 18:48.39 | Dagmar | ANYTHING to show that there'll be a stop to the creeping shortbus mode |
| 18:48.52 | Mery | Dagmar: well i have a clearfocus macro i just need a conditional clearfocus in my sheep macro too |
| 18:49.00 | Dagmar | Ah |
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| 18:52.12 | Dagmar | I'll keep my eyes peeled to see if you publish it someplace |
| 18:52.18 | Dagmar | My gf could use a sheep macro like that |
| 18:54.00 | ccox | you're welcome |
| 18:54.39 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 18:57.47 | Mery | Dagmar: at the moment i just use this http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94979 but it requires to clear the focus manually which is not very handy and there might be better ways, that's just what i came with when the instance already started... |
| 18:58.49 | Dagmar | Mery: I'm just gettings tarted but there might be an event that can be hooked |
| 18:59.00 | Dagmar | er getting started on learning all the hookable events |
| 18:59.23 | Dagmar | I wrote ircII scripts for warfare back in the 90's, so this is pretty simple by comparison |
| 18:59.25 | Bouvi | Good lord will this day EVER end!!! |
| 19:00.17 | Dagmar | Mery: Yeah that's just about what my gf uses now |
| 19:00.49 | Dagmar | I'm trying to improve on things a bit by just scripting a "bucket" with a button next to it that "sticks" to that target until it's dead |
| 19:00.56 | Lunessa | Mery - http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94981-3ixj |
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| 19:01.53 | AckisWork | http://blu3corner.deviantart.com/art/mao-mao-96268495 |
| 19:03.07 | Lunessa | AckisWork: Thanks for making me need an insulin shot. |
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| 19:03.26 | Dagmar | AckisWork: At what level do those become tameable |
| 19:03.36 | Icecoldcoke | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336864920&sid=2000. Did he really just say maintenance today. :( |
| 19:04.19 | Dashkal | Icecoldcoke: I believe he did. Here's hoping they actually fix something while it's down this time :p |
| 19:04.51 | NightHawkTheSane | im sure they fixed plenty of things during the last maintenance. |
| 19:04.52 | Icecoldcoke | Yeah. |
| 19:05.35 | Icecoldcoke | NightHawkTheSane : All they did was something with the accounts database.. I think I saw a blizzard poster say something about that. |
| 19:06.25 | NightHawkTheSane | possibly, who knows what they did, precisely. But my point is that they didn't take the servers down, jack off for 10 hours, and bring them up again. :P |
| 19:06.38 | Icecoldcoke | You don't know that. |
| 19:06.57 | NightHawkTheSane | no, but i'm going to say there's a 99% probability they didn't. :P |
| 19:07.09 | Dagmar | I'll say I know that |
| 19:07.20 | Icecoldcoke | Hopefully they fix some storm peaks quests.. Howling Fjord is just torture. |
| 19:07.31 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: I wouldn't assume for a moment they did nothing. I just don't think they did much to improve the instability, instead focusing on another priority |
| 19:07.42 | Dashkal | the coming PTR must be pretty high priority |
| 19:08.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: most likely, yes. |
| 19:08.34 | Dagmar | Dashkal: All that explosive in Stormwind is going to start leaking and doing weird crap to the fish if something isn't done soon |
| 19:08.46 | NightHawkTheSane | But statements that assume the servers were taken down on a whim, and nothing was done, at all, annoy me. |
| 19:09.04 | Dashkal | *blink* agreed. Why would they do that? |
| 19:09.18 | Dagmar | They woulnd't. |
| 19:09.38 | Dashkal | I just want them to focus on a task that's of importance to me, damnit :p |
| 19:09.41 | Icecoldcoke | That's what you think. They're trying to raise the population on the live servers by forcing the beta people to be unable to play on the beta. |
| 19:09.41 | Dagmar | Ther'es just a lot of little kids around who like to say things like that as if they had actually ever held a job at a datacenter or IT project of any size at all. |
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| 19:10.10 | Gnarfoz | (which obviously isn't the case) |
| 19:10.17 | Dashkal | oh god... Yeah, I wouldn't even consider trading places with one of blizzard's IT people |
| 19:10.29 | Gnarfoz | nice side-effect of whatever it is they did: account passwords got updated, yay |
| 19:10.30 | Dashkal | Though I do envy them the luxury of being able to take the system down for a few hours a week |
| 19:10.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yeah. the whole "i somehow know better than the entire wow developer staff & it team" mentality makes me want to kill people. |
| 19:11.08 | Dashkal | I can only imagine how many IT shops would kill for that luxury |
| 19:11.17 | alestane | Well, user perception is an important thing to be exposed to...but yeah, it makes me want to smack them. |
| 19:11.21 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I keep sayin' we need a way to filter forum posts so we can just say, ignore everyone not 70, and everyone who has ever said "Anal [blah]" in trade, and so on |
| 19:11.32 | Dagmar | ...it would just be unreasonable to expect the db to handle that kind of detail. |
| 19:11.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Heh, I know we would. Where I work, mere minutes of downtime is basically money lost. >< |
| 19:12.01 | Dagmar | I betcha by now the CS team can project money lost for out-of-window downtime. |
| 19:12.34 | alestane | "out-of-window"? |
| 19:12.38 | Dagmar | Some people _are_ hot-headed enough to quit just because the servers were down when they weren't supposed to be, but I really doubt anyone gives a damn about those 3-4 lunatics. |
| 19:12.47 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: when 8-10 hhour downtime takes 10-14 :P |
| 19:12.50 | Dagmar | alestane: Outside maintenance windows |
| 19:13.02 | alestane | Ah, downtime in excess of declared. |
| 19:13.10 | Dagmar | Or downtime at the wrong time |
| 19:13.31 | Dashkal | People who quit that easily will just quit from the next game, and the next one, and the next one as well |
| 19:13.47 | Dewin | there was a maintenance earlier, it's been |
| 19:13.49 | Dewin | err... |
| 19:13.51 | Dewin | ignore that |
| 19:14.17 | Dashkal | Personally, I've 'quit' beta for now due to instability. Of course I'll be right back as soon as I can believe I'll be online for more than 20 minutes at a stretch. |
| 19:14.29 | Dewin | I think I had that typed out last night and just now tabbed into the window and hit enter by mistake. |
| 19:14.31 | Dashkal | Gives me time to do the oh so fun task of powering up herbalism |
| 19:14.39 | Dagmar | Heh. If I were in it I'd be looking for more ways to break it |
| 19:14.48 | Dewin | same. |
| 19:14.48 | Dagmar | Pre-release beta was a massive playground for me |
| 19:15.10 | Dewin | I apparently have a good eye for things, I've sent Blizzard about 4-5 bug reports in the last month about minor things that just slipped. |
| 19:15.20 | Dewin | and that's in live. |
| 19:15.43 | Dagmar | Yeah I still _rarely_ find something I can exploit |
| 19:15.46 | Lunessa | Weekly down-time for maintenance is a luxury many data centers can't afford, but I'd hazard a guess that for something with as many db read/writes as WoW does for as large a user base as they have, it's not a luxury at all. |
| 19:15.47 | Dagmar | NOthing major since beta |
| 19:16.28 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I'd say it goes a long way towards being absolutely certain a minor disaster can't become a massive one |
| 19:16.30 | Tem|Work | well, whatever they do, I hope the servers go away soon |
| 19:16.36 | Tem|Work | because like |
| 19:16.40 | Tem|Work | I want to play tonight |
| 19:16.58 | ccox | 4-5 bug reports? Wow, I think I've sent in over 50. |
| 19:17.01 | Icecoldcoke | Maybe the maintenance wont even take long today, since the realms were down for so long yesterday. |
| 19:17.10 | Dagmar | It takes us ages to break new admins in here so that they realize that _unattended restarts_ of a machine are a priority they should care about |
| 19:17.24 | Lunessa | Tem|Work: Me too. I want to get finished with Grizzly Hills and Dragon Blight quests so I can in good faith focus on other zones. |
| 19:17.44 | Lunessa | I also need to submit tons of in-game feedback. |
| 19:18.03 | Dagmar | "plz don't shrink my rhino kthx" |
| 19:18.11 | Icecoldcoke | I usually do all of my feedback right as I finish the quest.. or as I find the bug etc. |
| 19:19.00 | Dewin | ccox: 50 bug reports in LIVE? or in beta? |
| 19:19.12 | ccox | beta |
| 19:19.19 | Dewin | <-- not in beta |
| 19:19.27 | ccox | ah |
| 19:19.30 | Dewin | though if I was I'd probably have a similiar number. |
| 19:19.46 | Dewin | Some of them are ridiculously simple but so small it's not surprising they never got noticed. |
| 19:19.59 | Bouvi | I have been holding off leveling until my wife gets in beta so we can play together. I played a death knight just for kicks thou. |
| 19:20.05 | Tem|Work | don't think they weren't noticed just because they are fixed |
| 19:20.11 | Lunessa | I have a bad habit of playing grammar nazi when reading quests. |
| 19:20.13 | Dewin | When you ask the guards in SW for directions to... I think the shaman trainer, they have a few responses they might give randomly. One of them is missing a word. That sort of stuff. |
| 19:20.24 | alestane | I thought we had eradicated that errant strain of /clearfocus [target=focus,noexists] by now. |
| 19:22.58 | Dewin | Lunessa: At least you read them, I bet 90% of the playerbase doesn't. |
| 19:23.21 | Lunessa | alestane: I wish. |
| 19:23.31 | Dashkal | amazing how many people are actually surprised when I read quest descriptions *sighs* |
| 19:23.34 | Lunessa | Dewin: I still "fail" sometimes. |
| 19:24.09 | Lunessa | I was running around unabvle to finish a quest yesterday - because I missed something in the description. |
| 19:24.18 | Dagmar | Dewin: An excellent argument for taking away raver sparkle on everything |
| 19:24.42 | Dagmar | The players are getting too lazy to read a paragraph of text to win their next spoonful of chicken feed. |
| 19:25.04 | Dagmar | Farmers call those kinds of chickens "dinner" |
| 19:25.14 | End | reminds me of TBC came out, and a lot of people were asking where stuff was in general chat |
| 19:25.29 | End | of course, I hate that stupid assassin |
| 19:25.54 | Lunessa | Oh, when the expansion ships, I'm turning off /1 /2 /3 and avoiding /4 |
| 19:26.04 | End | I have all of them off |
| 19:26.13 | End | I actually turned /1 back on for beta |
| 19:26.25 | Lunessa | because every quest description has been clear about what I should do. They even tell me almost exactly where to go. |
| 19:26.28 | Dewin | The sparkle is needed on somethings, but I think it went too much easymode. |
| 19:26.35 | Dagmar | I'm just giving up any hope of being nice to illiterates when WoTLK comes out |
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| 19:26.44 | End | there have been a few that weren't clear |
| 19:26.48 | Dagmar | If they can't be bothered to read the quest logs, they need to go back to the Nintendo |
| 19:26.51 | End | like the harrison ford rescue quest |
| 19:26.57 | Dewin | There is an alliance gathering quest in Ashenvale where you're supposed to collect tiny things that blend in with the ground |
| 19:27.01 | End | actually |
| 19:27.03 | Dagmar | End: Yeah, but there's _very_ few like that |
| 19:27.06 | End | harrison ford says where to go |
| 19:27.10 | End | but I had to go kill trolls |
| 19:27.11 | Dewin | actually, those ones don't even sparkle, so it's really hard to find them |
| 19:27.16 | End | and I forgot where he said to go |
| 19:27.29 | Dashkal | two non-quest things that need it... bruiseweed and sungrass |
| 19:27.37 | Lunessa | End - that one is supposed to be a suprise I think. |
| 19:27.42 | Dagmar | Dewin: See, I've no problem with things blending in, since that's what plants are usually pretty good at |
| 19:27.44 | End | </spoiler> |
| 19:27.52 | Dashkal | I can't count the times I've sat on the dot on my minimap wondering where the hell it is |
| 19:27.53 | End | >_> |
| 19:28.05 | Dewin | I have the problem with ore sometimes |
| 19:28.16 | Lunessa | And if you've done other quests, you'll already have quests for the camp he sends you too. |
| 19:28.18 | Dewin | namely in... really diverse terrain, when I don't know if it's above or below and can't see because my camera gets whacked |
| 19:28.31 | End | I didn't |
| 19:28.39 | End | well |
| 19:28.41 | End | not until later |
| 19:28.48 | End | I was following the troll guy quest |
| 19:29.06 | Dewin | Actually, one of my more annoying issues right now is I have minimap addons and they all have a rather confusing draw order. |
| 19:29.20 | Dewin | as in, "let's draw the mailbox icon ON TOP OF the glowing "?" that says there's a quest turnin here" |
| 19:29.35 | Dewin | or I can't find my party members because they're under a gatherer node/something on track |
| 19:29.36 | End | (and by troll guy I mean drakuru) |
| 19:29.41 | End | (yeah, that asshole) |
| 19:30.08 | End | (You meet him again, if you haven't found out already) |
| 19:30.23 | End | Dewin: yeah, I've had issues with that before |
| 19:30.35 | Adys | http://pastebin.com/d155d3153 <- Any idea how to fix this macro so it doesn't whine about using protected functions? |
| 19:31.10 | End | I don't know if you can do the second /script |
| 19:31.23 | End | but the first can be /cleartarget and last can be /targetlasttarget I think |
| 19:31.32 | Adys | oh cool |
| 19:31.48 | Dewin | can't you do something like /cast [target=mouseover] Remove Lesser Curse? |
| 19:31.57 | End | ah, good thinking :P |
| 19:32.03 | End | for the matter |
| 19:32.05 | End | yeah |
| 19:32.14 | End | you can reduce that entire macro down to what dewin posted |
| 19:32.23 | Adys | oh yeah :) cheers Dewin |
| 19:32.24 | Dewin | yay, that means I do know how to write macros. |
| 19:32.25 | Gnarfoz | Adys: what dewin said. also, #showtooltip is useless if you don't specify which tooltip to show :D |
| 19:32.26 | Dagmar | Dawin: I prefer /cast [target=supriseme] Serpent Sting |
| 19:32.44 | malreth | there should be a [target=random] conditional |
| 19:32.51 | Dagmar | God that would be awesome |
| 19:32.57 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.58 | End | I always use /cast [target=thatcursedguy] Remove Lesser Curse |
| 19:33.00 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.02 | Dagmar | Great for testing how the group members react to a failed CC |
| 19:33.03 | Dewin | Ah yes, for that WipeRaid macro. |
| 19:33.04 | Adys | Gnarfoz: its not, its automatically showing remove lesser curse tooltip |
| 19:33.18 | Gnarfoz | Adys: what else would it show? |
| 19:33.31 | Dewin | If you specify the ? icon, it'll automatically show the tooltip of whatever the first mentioned spell is unless #showtooltip says something else |
| 19:33.39 | Gnarfoz | again, what dewin said. |
| 19:33.41 | Dewin | so there is no need for #showtooltip |
| 19:33.50 | Adys | man its been ages ive done macros |
| 19:33.58 | Dagmar | Only if you've got some other command thta might show a tooltip other than the one that matters |
| 19:34.01 | Gnarfoz | except for probably when you actually want to not use the ? icon |
| 19:34.28 | Dewin | actually, it's better then that, /castsequence's icon will change to match the next spell in the sequence |
| 19:34.43 | Gnarfoz | yeah, ? is all kinds of awesome. ;) |
| 19:34.56 | Gnarfoz | eu beta auth... why dost thou torment me thus :X |
| 19:35.04 | Dewin | I'm currently wearing two boost-AP-for-X-seconds trinkets so I have them in a /usesequence and just hit the macro every 30 seconds or so trying to make them trigger |
| 19:35.06 | Adys | eu servs are down |
| 19:35.23 | Esine | Adys, wrong |
| 19:35.25 | Gnarfoz | servers are up, auth is back to broken :X |
| 19:35.26 | Dewin | only annoyance is Infinibar dosen't show the cooldown properly most of the time |
| 19:35.33 | Gnarfoz | it worked for... 10-15minutes, 30 minutes ago |
| 19:35.35 | Esine | yes, servers are up I dont know auth |
| 19:35.36 | Lunessa | End - Oh, I know... he's an ass. |
| 19:35.46 | Dewin | which reminds me |
| 19:35.53 | Dewin | what action bar addons (if any) are you people using in Beta? |
| 19:35.56 | Adys | hmm |
| 19:36.00 | Gnarfoz | bt4 for me, Dewin |
| 19:36.03 | Adys | the macro doesnt work with aguf raid mouseover |
| 19:36.05 | Gnarfoz | (wotlk branch, that is) |
| 19:36.13 | End | Lunessa: I didn't even notice he was the same guy at first |
| 19:36.17 | End | and then I was like oh shit! |
| 19:36.27 | Dewin | Infinibar's discontinued last I read, so I'm pretty much screwed when 3.0 comes out ;) |
| 19:36.35 | Lunessa | Dewin: Dominos is popular. |
| 19:36.50 | Gnarfoz | as is BT4 ;) |
| 19:36.56 | Dewin | Can it support having a button state page between being a pet action and a non-pet-action? |
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| 19:37.08 | Gnarfoz | uh |
| 19:37.10 | Gnarfoz | what? :D |
| 19:37.35 | Gnarfoz | what kind of conditional is that :X |
| 19:37.40 | Gnarfoz | you page based on modifiers or stances |
| 19:37.49 | Lunessa | [pet] |
| 19:38.00 | Gnarfoz | ? that's a spell conditional |
| 19:38.05 | Dewin | Let me explain |
| 19:38.15 | Dewin | I'm a hunter. I made a 12 button bar (in Infinibar) that has the first 10 buttons mimic the pet bar, then 11 and 12 are mend pet and feed pet. |
| 19:38.33 | Gnarfoz | I don't know infinibar nor what "make them mimic" would be |
| 19:38.33 | Dewin | There's a conditional so if my pet is dead, or I have no pet, the first 10 actions revert to being regular (not pet buttons), with the first one being tame beast |
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| 19:38.52 | Dewin | and 11/12 become revive pet and call pet |
| 19:38.53 | Gnarfoz | this works in combat? |
| 19:39.03 | Dewin | Yes |
| 19:39.03 | alestane | Dewin: A mod could certainly do that, but I'm not sure how many existing ones will. |
| 19:39.17 | Gnarfoz | I think this would even be possible in 3.0 in combat, but I don't think either of Dominos or BT4 do that right now |
| 19:39.18 | Dewin | Infinibar does it, I'm looking for a replacement that at least has similiar functionality |
| 19:39.23 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: poke |
| 19:39.31 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 19:39.52 | Gnarfoz | can bt3/4 page buttons based on [pet]? |
| 19:39.57 | nevcairiel | no |
| 19:40.15 | Dewin | well, what I want basically is customizable state pages (A lot of addons I've tried fail to do that), and the ability to determine per button per state page whether it's a regular 1-120 action button, a pet action button, etc. |
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| 19:40.50 | Dewin | And the actual conditional is more complicated than [pet], it's like [pet] [target=pet,nodead] or someting (since a dead pet still exists) |
| 19:41.02 | nevcairiel | I dont know any bar that can mix actionids and pet buttons |
| 19:41.05 | nevcairiel | use a macro |
| 19:41.08 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:41.36 | Dewin | infinibar can. |
| 19:41.49 | nevcairiel | it doesnt use action ids, afaik |
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| 19:42.31 | Dewin | no it doesn't (though that was on the todo list before it got discontinued) |
| 19:42.58 | Dewin | I miss my Flexbar setup back when that actually worked pre-TBC |
| 19:43.57 | nevcairiel | pre-TBC everything was possible =P |
| 19:44.18 | Dewin | My bar that changed states based on if I was melee or ranged distance or not |
| 19:44.42 | Dewin | since wing clip/concussive shot are basically the same thing and arcane shot/serpent strike were (at the time) basically the same thing |
| 19:44.45 | Dewin | saved a lot of space |
| 19:45.34 | Esamynn|Work | nevcairiel: not quite, but almost! =d |
| 19:45.36 | Esamynn|Work | =D |
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| 19:56.14 | Esamynn|Work | ~poke |
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| 19:58.28 | Dagmar | BAD TOUCH! |
| 19:58.47 | Dagmar | Dewin: When did arcane shot have a DoT effect? |
| 19:59.48 | Bouvi | WAHHHHH I want my frost bolt bigger.... |
| 20:00.16 | Dewin | Dagmar: I said serpent strike, not serpent sting, but I just now realized I meant raptor strike :-p |
| 20:00.30 | Dewin | I don't melee if I don't have to, forgive me for misremembering the names |
| 20:00.56 | Dagmar | That's okay. . I just don't even _care_ what they're named. |
| 20:01.07 | Dagmar | I freely refer to one of my skills as "blue swooshie" |
| 20:01.49 | Dagmar | It's easier to communicate in Vent with the guild without knowing what the hell everyone's skill do if ya just say "I cast the 'gimme yer mana' spell" and so on |
| 20:02.02 | Dewin | "I cast MAGIC MISSILE!" |
| 20:02.13 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.taptaptap.com/blog/fuck-the-vcs/ |
| 20:02.19 | Dagmar | But seriously mages could whine less |
| 20:02.44 | Dagmar | If it's not "yer sting is dotting my sheep!" it's "yer arcane shot is dispelling spells I want to steal!" |
| 20:03.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i like to purge specifically to fuck over mages. :D |
| 20:03.12 | Bouvi | I hate the whining to be honest. It is a bunch of pixels. Who gives a rats behind if my frost bolt does .012% damage less than something.... |
| 20:04.14 | NeoTron | ofc |
| 20:04.16 | Dewin | I'm waiting to get a raid with a whiny healer so I can accidentally MD them instead of the tank |
| 20:04.23 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 20:04.35 | NeoTron | on M'uru you mess up the raid if the mages can't spell steal and it helps speed up bear runs in ZA |
| 20:05.00 | Dagmar | I just don't care for it when it's something trivial and basically, they should click faster if I can get there first with it |
| 20:05.00 | NeoTron | so might be a bad thing to aim to do (it's also helpful on twins but less so) |
| 20:05.19 | NeoTron | enver mind that they quite possibly was finishing a spell? |
| 20:05.24 | Dagmar | If it was such a whiz-bang powerful spell they should have made it a priority to steal it |
| 20:05.41 | NeoTron | ^^^ |
| 20:06.23 | Lunessa | Remind me not to raid with you. :P |
| 20:06.27 | Lunessa | I'm a whiny healer. |
| 20:06.46 | Dewin | I kid. |
| 20:06.46 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: i obviously don't do it for raid-gimmick things, but like stupid shit mostly. :P |
| 20:07.38 | Dewin | I still need a better way to misdirect, right now I hit the macro, hope like hell I don't have a player targetted, and then click the tank's name in the raid. |
| 20:07.57 | Dagmar | I just modify my MD macro to point at the tank |
| 20:08.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: you could add /cleartarget to the top of your md macro |
| 20:08.12 | Dagmar | It's not like the MT is going to change in the middle of a fight anyway |
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| 20:08.37 | Dewin | well, I don't want to have to hand-change macros often. |
| 20:08.39 | alestane | or /cast [target=none] Misdirect |
| 20:08.46 | Dagmar | ...so if I see something going after the healer, it's just one key to turn it back around |
| 20:09.02 | Dagmar | Dewin: I consider once-per-run not to be that often |
| 20:09.03 | Dewin | This is true. |
| 20:09.16 | Dewin | Well, a lot of my raids I've been bounced around between which tank I'm MDing |
| 20:09.39 | Dewin | Now if I could right-click on the tank and have the menu say 'set as misdirect target', I'd be happy |
| 20:09.54 | Dewin | though on VR it can change pretty fast |
| 20:10.12 | alestane | Dewin: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518015964&postId=24711529113&sid=1#13 |
| 20:10.14 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm finally fed up enough with it to be looking into whether or not that's going to turn out to be a protected function somehow |
| 20:11.13 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Messing with the menu is ... messy and taint-prone |
| 20:11.26 | Dagmar | I don't intend to mess with menus |
| 20:12.07 | Dewin | having native support for multiple foci would be all it takes |
| 20:12.20 | Dagmar | What I've got in mind is just a small box showing a name and/or list on it |
| 20:12.32 | Dewin | -say /cast [target=focus2] Misdirection |
| 20:13.01 | Dagmar | ...just enough to show you who's the misd subject with a dropdown to change it if yer a hunter, which mob is destined to remain a sheep if yer a mage, etc |
| 20:13.39 | Wikwocket | You could just use your focus for the MT, and use /cast [target=focus] Misdirection, yes? |
| 20:13.44 | NightHawkTheSane | bbedit 9.0 o_0 |
| 20:13.59 | Dagmar | Wikwocket: And if your healer should somehow accidentally become the focus? |
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| 20:14.29 | Dewin | I use regular focus for trap targets, etc. |
| 20:14.59 | Dewin | shift+Z sets focus, shift+X exchanges my current target with my focus target (switch to CC target, do thing, switch back), shift+C targets my focus target |
| 20:15.46 | Bouvi | Hey Cairenn you here? |
| 20:15.50 | Wikwocket | Dagmar: how does a healer "accidentally" become the focus for a hunter? o_O |
| 20:15.58 | Dagmar | Lazy mousery |
| 20:16.22 | Dagmar | From years of IRCing while drunk, I don't code things that one can even on purpose do something impossibly wrong with |
| 20:16.40 | Thrae | shift+g targets my cat, shift+j targets my neighbor's cat, shift+ctrl+alt+k targets my brother's landlord's father's cousin's (twice removed) doctor |
| 20:16.49 | Bouvi | be back in a few |
| 20:16.49 | Dagmar | ...cuz someone else will get even more drunk and manage to do it anyway |
| 20:17.16 | Dewin | so Thrae, what you're saying is, when you need a heal you hit shift+ctrl+alt+k? |
| 20:17.49 | Cairenn | Bouvi: I am |
| 20:18.18 | Dagmar | I don't even want to think about what that becomes should more than one type of heal get involved |
| 20:18.32 | Lunessa | Thrae: And if you double-tap the ) key you get a pizza delivered to your house? |
| 20:18.39 | Dagmar | Heheh could be |
| 20:18.56 | Thrae | Lunessa: Dominoes has yet to open their online API up to me =/ |
| 20:19.23 | Dagmar | Use PapaJohns |
| 20:19.31 | Thrae | More expensive. |
| 20:19.36 | Lunessa | Thrae: FAIL! They has a web page bitch. You can drive that shit with VBS. :P |
| 20:19.49 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Lunessa |
| 20:19.49 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of Lunessa |
| 20:19.50 | Dewin | Use papa murphy's, and code yourself an ovenbot. |
| 20:19.51 | Esamynn|Work | ~fail Lunessa |
| 20:19.52 | purl | Lunessa: FAIL! |
| 20:19.54 | Thrae | Lunessa: Not from a WoW Lua addon ;) |
| 20:19.57 | Esamynn|Work | ~whaleslap Lunessa |
| 20:19.57 | purl | ACTION beats Lunessa upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:20.30 | Lunessa | Thrae: I would assign it to an extended keyboard button then, like the stupid HOME button on my MS Keyboard. :P |
| 20:20.48 | Dewin | I actually use that bu... oh wait, no, I don't use that one. |
| 20:20.49 | Thrae | Pizza is where the HOME is. |
| 20:21.00 | Dewin | No. |
| 20:21.00 | Dagmar | Makes perfect sense, don' it? |
| 20:21.04 | Dewin | home is where the pizza is. |
| 20:21.17 | Dewin | brb bringing my pc to dominos |
| 20:21.27 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 20:21.35 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, in the bbedit 9.0 release notes.. "⢠Ponies." |
| 20:21.41 | Dagmar | I've no problem just using a laptop to order pizza. |
| 20:21.50 | Dagmar | My problem is timing the pizza arrival so it's not in the middle of a pull |
| 20:22.01 | Dagmar | OMG ponies? |
| 20:22.01 | Esamynn|Work | indeed |
| 20:22.09 | NightHawkTheSane | PONIES! |
| 20:22.26 | Dewin | you know, I bought this frozen dinner thing a week ago that takes ~70 minutes to make. And I didn't make it for the longest time because I was worried it'd finish in the middle of a boss fight. |
| 20:22.28 | Lunessa | I just tell the pizza delivery notes "raiding wait for pull to be over plx" |
| 20:22.49 | Dagmar | Seventy minutes? |
| 20:23.00 | Dagmar | You know they've got this thing called a 'microwave oven' now. |
| 20:23.12 | Dewin | it doesn't fit in the microwave. |
| 20:23.16 | Dagmar | I hear it uses demonic forces to cook with, but I don't know too much about that. |
| 20:23.24 | Dewin | And it feeds 8 supposedly.. |
| 20:23.27 | Dewin | (ha) |
| 20:23.31 | Dagmar | Good lord |
| 20:23.42 | Dewin | I only had half! And it was breakfast, lunch and dinner |
| 20:23.43 | Dewin | soo |
| 20:23.44 | Dagmar | I think perhaps the word you're looking for is "frozen christmas beast" |
| 20:23.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: I have burnt many, many dinners because they finished in the middle of a boss fight and I couldn't get them out of the oven in time. |
| 20:24.05 | Dewin | like I said |
| 20:24.09 | Dewin | we need to code an ovenbot |
| 20:24.17 | Dagmar | Mostly I stick with those Taco Bell fiesta bowl thingies |
| 20:24.28 | NightHawkTheSane | taco bell is disgusting. |
| 20:24.28 | Wikwocket | I have to keep my living room clean in case I need to sprint to the kitchen to pull a pizza out while greater heal is casting |
| 20:24.32 | Dagmar | 90 seconds to cook, and good for almost a year |
| 20:24.49 | Dewin | /script OvenBot:PullFoodFromOven(); |
| 20:24.58 | Dagmar | "Keeps you from starving to death" <-- the criteria I worry about in raid food |
| 20:25.12 | Dewin | that's what spicy hot talbuk is for. |
| 20:25.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Wikwocket: heh, fortunately, my apartment is small enough, it's ~10feet from my computer chair to the oven, so I can actually make that sprit often enough. ;) |
| 20:25.30 | kd3 | gah. I'd forgotten what a pain it is typing with a bandage on one of my fingers |
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| 20:25.38 | Dagmar | Dewin: Is that in the ethnic foods section of the Harris-Teeter or something? |
| 20:25.40 | Dewin | heh. My kitchen is downstairs. The computers are upstairs. |
| 20:26.22 | Lunessa | kd3: you has boo-boo? |
| 20:26.37 | Dewin | which means there's a critical period when microwaving some things where it's like "do I go upstairs only to have to come back down in 30 seconds, or do I wait?" |
| 20:26.43 | kd3 | Lunessa, gave blood |
| 20:26.52 | Syzgyn | on your finger? |
| 20:27.12 | NightHawkTheSane | woah, bbedit 9.0 has text completion!? |
| 20:27.23 | kd3 | they do a finger prick to test your blood iron level |
| 20:27.29 | kd3 | no, I gave from my forearm |
| 20:27.43 | Syzgyn | aha |
| 20:28.16 | Syzgyn | And of course they prick your index finger right? |
| 20:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, win |
| 20:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336864748&sid=1 |
| 20:28.35 | kd3 | nah. I had em use my ring finger |
| 20:28.42 | Syzgyn | thats a bit better at least |
| 20:30.06 | NightHawkTheSane | oooh.. "You can now review and apply sub-line differences individually in the results of Find Differences." |
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| 20:36.31 | Tem|Work | *shudder* |
| 20:36.43 | Tem|Work | whenever I see an ASP app on the web, a little part of me dies |
| 20:37.14 | Dewin | Tem: http://www.microsoft.com/ go commit suicide |
| 20:38.37 | Anaral | Wow, relatively shortly we're going down for maintence on beta again... and they're going to wipe all of our achievements http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336864920&sid=2000 |
| 20:38.49 | Industrial | oh no! what will we do! |
| 20:38.56 | Industrial | imminent wipe on launch anyway |
| 20:39.03 | Icecoldcoke | Anaral that post has been there for a while. |
| 20:39.03 | Dagmar | hint: If you call them and mention you saw their app was running pretty slowly, and that you've got an old laptop they can host it on to make it go faster if they're hurting that badly for hardware, it *really* pisses them off |
| 20:39.04 | Industrial | dont try to accomplish things in betas |
| 20:39.37 | Industrial | that's my advice anyway |
| 20:39.47 | kd3 | hm... so is nola panicking yet? |
| 20:39.49 | Anaral | Icecoldcoke: Um, 2 hours is a while? |
| 20:39.50 | Industrial | well, cept for jut doing it for fun ofc |
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| 20:40.01 | Dagmar | Tehre's a site here that hosts a change management calendar which is just _unrealistically_ slow for what it's doing |
| 20:40.14 | Dagmar | We're talking a 9-15s response time |
| 20:40.29 | Dagmar | They've got it on a dual-core system. |
| 20:40.29 | Industrial | then it not a hardware problem is it. :P |
| 20:40.36 | Industrial | it's* |
| 20:40.53 | Dewin | Problem with the programmer's hardware, namely the cranium. |
| 20:41.10 | Dagmar | It pisses them off to no end when I offer to loan them an old 486 to run it on |
| 20:41.12 | Industrial | eheh |
| 20:41.20 | Mery | Lunessa: Thank you. |
| 20:42.26 | Industrial | hmm, random question; doe anyone know an open ource ERD tool? |
| 20:42.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ERD? |
| 20:42.54 | Dewin | emergency repair disk? |
| 20:43.17 | Industrial | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity-relationship_model |
| 20:43.20 | Dewin | or entity relationship diagram... |
| 20:43.22 | Dewin | ahh |
| 20:43.26 | Industrial | databases |
| 20:43.28 | Industrial | :> |
| 20:43.30 | Lunessa | kd3: Actually, I'm considering moving inland for that time-frame. |
| 20:43.31 | Dewin | you could try Dia |
| 20:43.42 | Dewin | me I'm hooked on Toad, but it's not open source nor anywhere close to free. |
| 20:43.45 | sioraiocht | Industrial: i thought you were leaving WoW =p |
| 20:43.46 | Icecoldcoke | Anaral: Yes. :) |
| 20:44.02 | Industrial | my prof is telling me to use some sybase program but he doesnt even have a license for it so i'd have to use a 30 day trial :< |
| 20:45.00 | Anaral | :p |
| 20:45.05 | Dewin | if you don't need a huge amount of power, dia or xfig |
| 20:45.07 | Industrial | sioraiocht: actually, I don't really have a lot of time for wow right now but I'm not goin to quit yet :> I played Age of Conan for a month and leveled like 3 chars to 40 before dumping it because it's too full of bug and just not my style not to mention the lacking interface |
| 20:45.22 | sioraiocht | w00t |
| 20:45.28 | Dewin | heh. One of my guildies refers to AOC as having entered the 'paid beta test stage' |
| 20:45.29 | Industrial | sioraiocht: I'll buy wotlk tho and be really casual I guess :3 |
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| 20:46.20 | Lunessa | Playing AoC is like the worst elements of console games meet the worst elements of MMOs in one game - only you play it while being sodomized by a broken glass bottle. |
| 20:46.49 | Industrial | imagine being able to stealth and having 8 meelee dps pets at the same time. |
| 20:47.05 | Lunessa | Industrial - I played it. The game is ass. |
| 20:47.34 | Dagmar | No... Ass can be nice to watch. |
| 20:47.36 | Dagmar | AoC isn't. |
| 20:47.37 | Industrial | but then they nerfed it so you cant stealth and attack anymore but they made it so you can basocally rip anyones mana to 0 in 3 seconds |
| 20:48.05 | Lunessa | ... Mental image a little too harsh? |
| 20:48.15 | Industrial | 7 second buffs ticking for every 3 secs etc.. the game just doesnt make any ense |
| 20:48.22 | Cairenn | kinda pushing it, even for this channel :p |
| 20:49.08 | Industrial | neither does my typing! |
| 20:49.25 | TecnoBrat | thats just wrong |
| 20:50.36 | Industrial | TecnoBrat: depends on your fetishes |
| 20:50.39 | Industrial | =D |
| 20:50.50 | Industrial | right Fisker- ? |
| 20:51.13 | Industrial | ... I really need to fix my typing |
| 20:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:51.41 | ScytheBlade1 | nicely done |
| 20:53.24 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, are you sure you didnt plagiarise that from zero punctuation? |
| 20:54.18 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: If I had an accent I could BE the guy from Zero Punctuation. |
| 20:54.40 | Thunder_Child | pfft Lunessa, you wish |
| 20:55.19 | Lunessa | You would not believe the number of times a day I have to "self-moderate" it makes me want to "self-medicate." |
| 20:57.46 | Dewin | I love Zero Punctuation |
| 20:57.56 | Dewin | I got introduced to it when digging around to figure out what Portal was. |
| 20:58.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:58.20 | Dewin | which is still my favorite review, though the witcher one is pretty good too. |
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| 20:59.01 | Dewin | "This is a mmurpoger! Granted, a single player mummorpoger without alliance <self-censored> your corpse, but a mummorpoger nonetheless." |
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| 21:16.28 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Ping? You don't sleep ... don't lie to me. |
| 21:18.21 | Esamynn|Work | Cairenn: hadn't you turned off join/leave messages in this channel? |
| 21:18.39 | Cairenn | had I? |
| 21:19.00 | Cairenn | I don't recall ever having done so |
| 21:19.02 | Esamynn|Work | umm, yah, at least for a little while |
| 21:19.16 | Esamynn|Work | oh well |
| 21:19.20 | Cairenn | I always seen join/part |
| 21:19.22 | nevcairiel | turning those off is crazy, confuses the clients userlist |
| 21:19.25 | Cairenn | I've* |
| 21:19.41 | Cairenn | you should be able to hide them with your client though |
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| 21:22.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i tried hiding join/parts. it confused -me-. >< |
| 21:23.25 | durcyn | there comes a point where there are too damn many people in a channel to keep the spam on, though :/ |
| 21:23.32 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 21:23.46 | nevcairiel | we didnt hit that yet, by far ;) |
| 21:23.49 | NightHawkTheSane | this channel (and the ones i've been in in the past) are under that limit, i think, though |
| 21:24.09 | Thunder_Child | go find a script that does it |
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| 21:35.25 | durcyn | oh, no, i meant local client ignore. |
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| 21:48.19 | kd3 | [Florida] Undeterred by Gustav, tropical storm Hanna looks to open up a second front of doom on the East Coast |
| 21:48.45 | Dagmar | No worries. |
| 21:48.49 | Dagmar | It's not like any rich people live there. |
| 21:51.25 | kd3 | cladhaire, you around? |
| 21:51.34 | cladhaire | for a few, whats up? |
| 21:53.09 | Syzgyn | Do we know if blizz is going to retroactively change the current armor pen to the new armor pen? |
| 21:53.28 | Esamynn|Work | new armor pen? |
| 21:53.37 | Syzgyn | its a new % based rating |
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| 21:54.41 | smcn | i imagine they're still working on a conversion formula, if they were planning on using both systems they would have just added the % to the character screen instead of replacing the old text |
| 21:54.50 | smcn | imo |
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| 21:56.00 | Syzgyn | true |
| 21:56.06 | Lyn | p3lim, i am now official lyn! ;) |
| 21:56.11 | Syzgyn | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=41763 has the new rating |
| 21:56.13 | p3lim | yay! |
| 22:01.47 | p3lim | Syzgyn: What does that rating do? |
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| 22:06.10 | Lyn | mh.. bored :x |
| 22:09.16 | Duman | another beta maint today, eh |
| 22:09.25 | nevcairiel | so is the rumor |
| 22:09.28 | nevcairiel | with a new build |
| 22:09.35 | Duman | that would be cool |
| 22:12.17 | Lyn | wohow, new build |
| 22:12.20 | Lyn | ./dance |
| 22:13.57 | Duman | rad |
| 22:16.11 | Syzgyn | ooh ya? nice |
| 22:22.58 | Anaral | Well if they're going to call it, they probably should do it soon. |
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| 22:51.38 | Shadowed | k Gnarfoz actually worknig on it now |
| 22:51.53 | Gnarfoz | great to hear =) I'm off to bed :X |
| 22:54.28 | ccox | does anyone know of a good way to get the price vendors will pay for an item from an addon? |
| 22:57.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: http://www.wowwiki.com/GetSellValue |
| 22:58.01 | NightHawkTheSane | all addons that store sell value data SHOULD be providing that function. |
| 22:58.18 | ccox | NightHAwk - yes, but I'm looking to get the value to CORRECT the value returned when it's wrong |
| 22:58.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: ... you mean update the addon with the correct price? |
| 22:58.52 | ccox | NIghtHawk - I'm trying to add functionality to informant to detect errors |
| 22:58.54 | ccox | yes |
| 22:59.08 | ccox | the price to buy from a vendor is easy |
| 22:59.27 | ccox | and tooltips list the value to sell, but I can't find where that value comes from |
| 22:59.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: *shrug* im not sure, then, sorry. |
| 23:00.03 | ccox | ok, thanks |
| 23:01.18 | smcn | informant sell values seem hardcoded, it doesn't seem to update the sellvalue for items it doesn't know to begin with either... SellFish does though |
| 23:02.39 | Tuller | sellfish has the itemprice db, along with its own table for recording variances in real world data, which is reset whenever there's a new build of itemprice |
| 23:02.52 | Anaral | Yeah, sell fish and others will take vendor data, while info doesn''t |
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| 23:04.46 | ccox | smcn - yeah, duh - that's what I'm trying to fix |
| 23:05.16 | ccox | I'm trying to figure out HOW to update the sell price |
| 23:05.37 | Dagmar | By making a guess at what faction that vendor is a part of |
| 23:06.24 | Dagmar | Otherwise you've got no idea if your figure is actually wrong, or if you're seeing a difference due to how much they like/hate you. |
| 23:06.57 | ccox | that would be the buy value (how must it costs to buy something from the vendor) |
| 23:07.04 | ccox | sell values are not affected by reputation |
| 23:08.51 | Dagmar | Ah okay, didn't realize which side of the transaction you were lookin' at |
| 23:09.11 | ccox | again, the buy price is easy, there is an API for it |
| 23:09.53 | Anaral | Yay! I crashed Northrend! |
| 23:10.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Well stop it |
| 23:10.48 | Anaral | Hey this was my first time today. Every other time I wasn't doing anything. |
| 23:11.14 | Cairenn | Anaral: taking lessons from Tem|laptop? |
| 23:11.50 | Anaral | Heh, maybe. |
| 23:13.26 | Tem|laptop | anyone see the thread in the mage boards where they were posting a "new" mage spell/ |
| 23:13.41 | Tem|laptop | "Crash Northrend" |
| 23:13.56 | Tem|laptop | it was a mage channeling Evocation in front of the huge burst of blue energy in the Azure Dragonshrine |
| 23:14.05 | Tem|laptop | it was great |
| 23:14.09 | Dagmar | Anything that's not "wahh wahh why no moar downranking" is a welcome change |
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| 23:14.50 | Anaral | There is in the achievements forum |
| 23:15.22 | Syzgyn | aha |
| 23:15.32 | Anaral | Stating today they'll be wiping all of our achievements to test some retro-activeness. |
| 23:15.50 | Syzgyn | They'll prolly put a post with the ETA up in a few hours |
| 23:16.21 | NeoTron | it doesn't specifically say there's a new build |
| 23:16.28 | NeoTron | ;-) |
| 23:16.52 | Fisker- | says new update though |
| 23:17.19 | Syzgyn | true, it could be a server side thing |
| 23:17.28 | Syzgyn | either way its changes though |
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| 23:18.19 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:18.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I show as being in "Icecrown" on the character selection screen |
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| 23:19.45 | smcn | ccox: looks like the only way to get the sell price is scanning the tooltip at a vendor, at least that's how sellfish does it: http://wowui.pastey.net/94990 |
| 23:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, did the maint that wiped achievemens happen? |
| 23:19.54 | ccox | that's what I'm thinking |
| 23:20.10 | ccox | I grabbed sellfish and ItemDataCache |
| 23:23.53 | Antiarc | http://www.gamevee.com/viewVideo/World_of_Warcraft/PC/The_Drakkensryd/740706 |
| 23:23.55 | Antiarc | ^-- awesome |
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| 23:25.22 | Shadowed | Anyone know if untilCancelled for the UnitBuff in WoTLK is broken? |
| 23:25.39 | NeoTron | Antiarc: any work on Omen 3.0/ :P |
| 23:25.40 | Shadowed | It's returning 1 for alchemist stone (Right)... but 1 for gift of the wild |
| 23:25.54 | Antiarc | Not yet. I'm trying to see how it'll all shake out still |
| 23:26.34 | NeoTron | wtf you fighting dragon riders? |
| 23:26.55 | alestane | My impression is that Threat 1.0 is basically obsolete, but there's still room for more sophisticated threat displays. |
| 23:27.13 | NeoTron | threat 1.0 was obsolete in 2.4! |
| 23:27.26 | Dagmar | I'd just be happy with one that doesn't act like a Vegas hooker desperate to make a buck. |
| 23:27.27 | NeoTron | but my impression is that threat libs are still needed |
| 23:28.19 | alestane | Well, if you can get an absolute threat value for a unit against any mob directly from the client, then I'm not so sure. |
| 23:29.00 | NeoTron | unless it works with GUID's it's not going to work for AoE threat |
| 23:29.08 | NeoTron | at a minimum |
| 23:29.19 | alestane | Well, it also works for global threat. |
| 23:29.27 | NeoTron | also does it really (always) give up to date threat rather than just if you're above 70%? |
| 23:29.40 | alestane | There is an API purported ot do that. |
| 23:29.40 | NeoTron | alestane: my point remains |
| 23:30.03 | NeoTron | yes I know the API is there. just seem to recall it returned zero unless you were above a threshold |
| 23:30.23 | alestane | Well, when are you ever displaying the threat of "some random mob" that happened to be standing in your rain of fire? |
| 23:30.38 | Dagmar | Yeah, I'm at a loss on that one as well |
| 23:31.13 | alestane | "isTanking, state, scaledPercent, rawPercent, threatValue = UnitDetailedThreatSituation(unit, mob)" |
| 23:31.25 | alestane | "threatValue is the amount of threat that the unit has on the mob's threat list. This is roughly approximate to the amount of damage and healing the unit has done. " |
| 23:32.29 | Dagmar | That somehow doesn't sound right. |
| 23:32.33 | ScytheBlade1 | NeoTron: the event only fires twhen rawPercent changes, and when that is at 70%+ |
| 23:32.49 | NeoTron | alestane: every time I AoE? |
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| 23:35.36 | alestane | Okay, I'm not sure from the post if you can request a raw global threat from the client. It looks like not. But I contend that this is not critical information; you still do get a warning if you pass 100% against any mob. |
| 23:35.43 | Cide | http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3307/multishamanjo4.jpg |
| 23:36.15 | Keias | rofl, thats impressive |
| 23:36.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure that "global threat" doesn't matter now that we can just query it on a per-mob basis |
| 23:36.31 | Dagmar | Kind of a sign tney need to change their stance on mutliboxing |
| 23:36.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ...wtf? |
| 23:36.43 | NeoTron | alestane: if I PASS 100% I'm often dead. :P |
| 23:36.48 | Dagmar | that's kinda reaching "game-breaking" levels |
| 23:37.11 | Thunder_Child | they looked like a bunch of ninja turtles for a second |
| 23:37.13 | alestane | NeoTron: My understanding is that 130% is when you get aggro. |
| 23:37.16 | NeoTron | do you get threat events on mobs you're not targeting? |
| 23:37.23 | Dagmar | alestane: When you're at max range, sure |
| 23:37.31 | NeoTron | alestane: the "percentage" you get warnings for is adjusted for whatever range you're at |
| 23:37.38 | NeoTron | 100% => you're tanking |
| 23:37.48 | ScytheBlade1 | the scaledPercent is, to be specific |
| 23:38.17 | Dagmar | That modifier is in there because otherwise we could aggro-kits |
| 23:38.20 | Dagmar | er aggro-kite |
| 23:38.29 | alestane | NeoTron: UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE * fired when a unit's threat situation changes. The unit that had a change in threat situation is the first parameter of the event. Note that this only triggers when major state changes, not when the raw threat values change. |
| 23:38.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And the _DETAILED event? |
| 23:39.09 | alestane | UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE * fired when a mob has its threat list updated. The mob that had its list updated is the first parameter of the event. |
| 23:39.10 | Neuro_Medivh | Hey Cide, what quest mod is that along the side? |
| 23:39.25 | Cide | I didn't take the screenshot :P I have no idea |
| 23:39.29 | Neuro_Medivh | ah |
| 23:39.45 | Dagmar | Looks like regular old QuestHelper to me |
| 23:39.46 | ScytheBlade1 | err I could have sworn there was another event |
| 23:41.46 | alestane | So you should get a UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE event with "player" if you've just passed a threshold with any mob, even one you're not targeting, AIUT. For instance, your raw threat percentage has just passed the tank's. |
| 23:43.52 | Dagmar | Problem is, that's going to be somewhat obviouis |
| 23:43.59 | NeoTron | I am aware what the events and such are. I just haven't heard if the data is updated other then when such events are received |
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| 23:44.27 | NeoTron | and just passing the tank is ofc useless since I notice that when pain come bearing down :P |
| 23:44.41 | p3lim | haste: ping |
| 23:44.42 | NeoTron | the opposite is true too - when AoE tanking it's nice to see if I'm about to lose aggro before I actually do |
| 23:44.57 | NeoTron | threat meters is to prevent loss of control, not tell me that it happened already |
| 23:45.15 | alestane | "Passing the tank's threat" != "becoming the mob's targer". |
| 23:45.22 | alestane | target* |
| 23:45.27 | NeoTron | alestane: in this case, yes it is |
| 23:45.31 | NeoTron | 100% => you have aggro |
| 23:45.32 | alestane | No, |
| 23:45.32 | p3lim | btw anyone knows an addon that gives me the tab functions like in irc just ingame? |
| 23:45.45 | alestane | raw threat % != scaled threat % |
| 23:45.49 | NeoTron | the event gives you the scaledPercent not percent (which would require knowing if you were melee or not) |
| 23:45.58 | Dagmar | p3lim: You already have tabs |
| 23:46.05 | p3lim | tab key |
| 23:46.09 | p3lim | name completion |
| 23:46.23 | NeoTron | and I think we can all agree that percentages are useless other than for display anyway. absolute number till "threat pull" is the only truly useful metric |
| 23:46.27 | Dagmar | I don't think nick completion is going to be doable for WoW |
| 23:46.30 | NeoTron | or "number of shadow bolt crits till I die" |
| 23:46.36 | Dagmar | At least not in the same way you do it on IRC |
| 23:46.52 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, it works now |
| 23:46.57 | Dagmar | You've already got a list of names when you join a channel, so it's trivial to have a list of things to do a substring match against |
| 23:47.01 | Thunder_Child | usually for guild/flist though |
| 23:47.15 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: ONly for those at the moment, afaik |
| 23:47.30 | NightHawkTheSane | that generally covers like 75% of use cases, though. ;) |
| 23:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly is in question here? |
| 23:47.37 | Dagmar | Without doing a check to see who is present on a chat channel, that's as far as that is going to go |
| 23:47.56 | p3lim | need an addons that gives me the ingame function of the tab key in irc |
| 23:48.02 | p3lim | i think there is one for it |
| 23:48.02 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, "16:45.39Â Â Â Â Â Â p3lim: btw anyone knows an addon that gives me the tab functions like in irc just ingame?" |
| 23:48.06 | alestane | At least according to the post, the events don't provide any threat percentage, they just cue the code to poll it. It can request a raw % at that time if that's what it wants. |
| 23:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I mean the threat conversation |
| 23:48.18 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: the term would be autocomplete, or tab-complete |
| 23:48.26 | Thunder_Child | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:48.26 | purl | wallops ScytheBlade1 with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 23:48.29 | p3lim | well yeah |
| 23:48.33 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: technically, it's not strictly bound to the tab key |
| 23:48.47 | p3lim | it is by default |
| 23:49.00 | Dagmar | Hmm... when i hit tab, I change targets. |
| 23:49.03 | NightHawkTheSane | in most clients, yeah, but that's not some universal law. :P |
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| 23:49.13 | p3lim | hook it to the chat while editbox is open |
| 23:49.14 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: NeoTron is asserting that the Blizzard threat API does not provide him enough information to guage threat effectively ant that threat sync libs such as Threat-X.0 will remain necessary for accurate information. |
| 23:49.23 | p3lim | but i know there is some addon for it, just cant remember the name of it |
| 23:49.35 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: the raw value + events every time the rawPercent changes isn't enough? |
| 23:49.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: it usually done while the editbox is open, i think the game already provides cycling through previous whisper targets via tab.. |
| 23:49.46 | alestane | I think so. |
| 23:49.51 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah this I know or I'd have already recoded that |
| 23:50.13 | Dagmar | I gots me a leetspeak translator, but I'll be damned if I'll release it. |
| 23:50.42 | NeoTron | alestane: you also forget that having an overall threat picture is nice (as a raid leader I care if others are about to pull aggro). I don't know how effective it'd be to [for each raid member; do for each raid targeted mob do checktreat(member, mob) end end] compared to checking my own threat and broadcasting it |
| 23:50.55 | Dagmar | Messing with getting started on LUA I wrote a bunch of trivial junk like I used to use on IRC |
| 23:51.07 | krka | Dagmar: You shouldn't capitalize Lua like that :( |
| 23:51.41 | p3lim | I can re-assign that to shift-tab |
| 23:51.52 | Dagmar | Ah well it smells like an acronym |
| 23:51.53 | NeoTron | although, ofc, in that case I'd care only about the threat on my mob |
| 23:51.56 | NeoTron | not on all mobs |
| 23:52.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: it's not. :) |
| 23:52.10 | ScytheBlade1 | NeoTron: you can query any UnitID relative to any other UnitID you please, and the client will return data instantly without any needs for WoW to go peer-to-peer to get that data; the solution we have now is quite a bit more effecient than our current LibThreat-2.0 |
| 23:52.11 | NeoTron | do you get threat change events for mobs you're not targeting? |
| 23:52.20 | Sixen | So, was a new build released? |
| 23:52.21 | ScytheBlade1 | You do get those events for mobs you're not targeting |
| 23:52.29 | NeoTron | ok so you can get some sort of estimation |
| 23:52.36 | NeoTron | is there any events between 70% and 100%? |
| 23:52.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, every time you (or anyone else) changes by 1% |
| 23:53.06 | ScytheBlade1 | The event fires and the API call will return new data |
| 23:53.13 | NeoTron | so if above 70% I get an event every time it changes by more than 1%? that should be enough for AoE threat situations |
| 23:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, as does everyone else in your raid |
| 23:53.35 | NeoTron | API call however would usually be useless in AoE situations |
| 23:53.52 | alestane | NeoTron: You can poll on update whether there's an event or not AFAIK. The data should remain up to date whether or not you've passed a threshold. |
| 23:53.57 | NeoTron | since with 15+ mobs most won't currently be targeted to get the threat details on it |
| 23:54.12 | NeoTron | alestane: the problem remains that you can't |
| 23:54.16 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: hmm, that's not the understanding I got from AlexanderYoshi when he stopped by |
| 23:54.17 | NeoTron | since you can't query by GUID |
| 23:54.44 | alestane | If you're AoEing a mob, and noone else is targeting it, why do you need precise threat data on it!!!!??? |
| 23:54.59 | NeoTron | alestane: so I know when I will pull aggro |
| 23:55.13 | NeoTron | do you think a prot pally or DK or what not always targetes all mobs or something? |
| 23:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: it's not uncommon that a mob isn't being targeted while being AoE'd, either by the tank or the AoEer (see: Hyjal with a Prot Pally + mages) |
| 23:55.36 | alestane | You will get a warning in that case that you are in danger of pulling aggro; you just will not be able to determine which mob is the danger. |
| 23:55.39 | NeoTron | typically the pally can go in and consecrate/holy shield and not even hit the mobs directly |
| 23:56.15 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: erm, you don't see any problem there? |
| 23:56.29 | NeoTron | alestane: which brings back the need for a threat meter, even if the implementation is highlyu simplified and perhaps w/o network sharing (or as much of it) |
| 23:56.33 | Dagmar | If you are doing AoE and the majority of the time your subjects are targeted, please ask the bus driver to relieve you of your account. |
| 23:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | No, it only brings it back to a point at best |
| 23:56.48 | Dagmar | Just lean forward and whisper, he'll be able to hear you. |
| 23:56.59 | alestane | I'm not arguing the usefulness of a threat meter, just of a threat sync library. |
| 23:57.03 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: we might no need Threat-2.0, but we'll need Omen |
| 23:57.16 | alestane | NeoTron: That, exactly, was my original point. |
| 23:57.19 | NeoTron | and writing an 'omen' will be amazingly simple in comparision |
| 23:57.23 | ScytheBlade1 | NeoTron: ... exactly ... ? |
| 23:58.00 | NeoTron | but if you sync stuff you can potentially get better info |
| 23:58.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:58.12 | alestane | Only not really. |
| 23:58.17 | NeoTron | say if tank A tabs around mobs in an aoe situation, and broadcasts threat situation for that mob each time |
| 23:58.39 | NeoTron | where w/o such broadcast you can at best get '70% of tank' or similar |
| 23:58.48 | alestane | He doesn't need to broadcast, just to be targeting. |
| 23:59.20 | NeoTron | if the addon scans (all) the raid's targets at a high frequency |
| 23:59.42 | Tem|laptop | well, NeoTron, realistically, do you need to know anything more than "I'm generally 70% of the tank?" |
| 23:59.56 | Tem|laptop | all you need to know is if you're about to pull agro if you're good to go |
| 23:59.59 | Tem|laptop | that's all that really matters |
