IRC log for #wowuidev on 20080826

`00:00.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh`
`00:05.08`	`*** join/#wowuidev malreth (n=triti@cpe-72-177-113-22.austin.res.rr.com)`
`00:06.36`	`Keias`	`Lopeppeppy: my point was that with double condoms you can't feel shit :P Not that I'd have them on with pants`
`00:07.08`	`Cairenn`	`rofl`
`00:07.43`	`Keias`	`This reminds me of some new birth control that I keep seeing adds for`
`00:07.49`	`Keias`	`Which is like some weird plastic looking piece o_O`
`00:08.00`	`Keias`	`I feel bad for you woman, it's so simple as a guy :(`
`00:08.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`..... they all are.`
`00:08.01`	`Cairenn`	`IUD's aren't anything new`
`00:08.05`	`malreth`	`Keias, you're putting it in the wrong place`
`00:08.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`malreth!`
`00:08.25`	`malreth`	`Lopeppeppy!`
`00:08.47`	`Cairenn`	`they're calling them IUC's now, but they aren't anything new at all`
`00:09.05`	`Dashkal`	`'C'?`
`00:09.06`	`Keias`	`Shows how much I know.`
`00:09.20`	`Keias`	`Furthest my education goes is going to get a shot with a girlfriend :(`
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`00:09.50`	`Wobin`	`inter uterine... cat-toy?`
`00:09.57`	`Cairenn`	`Contraceptive`
`00:10.10`	`Wobin`	`No longer a 'Device'`
`00:10.12`	`Dashkal`	`ahh`
`00:10.13`	`Cairenn`	`instead of "Device" as was the previous term`
`00:10.14`	`Cairenn`	`yep`
`00:10.18`	`malreth`	`two forms of BC and keep an ECP around`
`00:10.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`"device" is scaaaaary.`
`00:10.35`	`Wobin`	`I guess Device implies moving parts =P`
`00:11.04`	`Wobin`	`Like leaving the milk out on the counter?`
`00:11.22`	`Keias`	`Wobin that gave me a very disturbing mental image`
`00:11.23`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah.... and in the US you can usually only get a IUC type option if you've already had children, so it's not a reasonable option.`
`00:11.23`	`Wobin`	`><`
`00:11.57`	`malreth`	`Lopeppeppy: this country is so ass-backwards`
`00:12.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`With interest, malreth. sigh`
`00:12.10`	`Dashkal`	`wince`
`00:12.30`	`malreth`	`sorry... i'll stop alluding to buttsecks`
`00:12.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Surprise!`
`00:12.42`	`Keias`	`lol`
`00:12.50`	`zenzelezz`	`y helo thar`
`00:13.48`	`zenzelezz`	`and despite all this, Cairenn felt compelled to warn peppy about me earlier`
`00:13.58`	`Cairenn`	`hehehe`
`00:14.06`	`Kraps`	`is there a record for the length of a wsg?`
`00:14.08`	`Cairenn`	`I was just telling her that everyone was all riled up`
`00:14.14`	`malreth`	`never mind trying to find a pharmacy that will sell you an ECP because it doesn't "violate their beliefs"`
`00:14.21`	`Wobin`	`oh yeah`
`00:14.25`	`Wobin`	`-that- threw me a bit`
`00:14.43`	`Kirov`	`drugstore.com == win?`
`00:14.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`sigh Believe that I'll kneecap you if you have no ethics....`
`00:15.00`	`Keias`	`You're so violent Lopeppeppy`
`00:15.12`	`Wobin`	`That's what we love about Lope`
`00:15.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Little redheaded killer gnome rogue who means it.`
`00:15.28`	`Wobin`	`it's like a hamster with a crowbar`
`00:15.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I have noticed that everyone goes right down to the ground, Wobin. It's just a matter of hitting them hard enough, and they fall right down where I can murderize them.`
`00:16.13`	`Wobin`	`not many things can keep standing without ankles!`
`00:16.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Exactly`
`00:16.46`	`Kirov`	`http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x145/RedOctober_Bucket/1191401737337.jpg`
`00:17.29`	`Wobin`	`I recall a webcomic that suggested that`
`00:17.33`	`Wobin`	`or maybe it was a normal comic`
`00:17.47`	`Kirov`	`http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/deathscythe_1989/Blog%20images/HamsterFighter.jpg`
`00:17.55`	`Cide`	`Kirov: that's evil, think of the pain when you remove the tape!`
`00:17.58`	`malreth`	`CAREFUL! that hamster has a knife.`
`00:18.20`	`Wobin`	`aha`
`00:18.21`	`Wobin`	`http://farm1.static.flickr.com/37/118940023_63cd67fcfc_o.jpg`
`00:18.22`	`Wobin`	`yeah`
`00:20.05`	`malreth`	`hey... what can you do to remove gasoline residue from your hands?`
`00:20.11`	`malreth`	`soap and water aren't working?`
`00:20.21`	`Syzgyn`	`residue?`
`00:20.24`	`Duman`	`kd3 just crashed the server`
`00:20.25`	`kd3`	`whee, world crash in the middle of a troll camp`
`00:20.37`	`Syzgyn`	`I blame Duman`
`00:20.39`	`malreth`	`just gasoline then`
`00:20.39`	`Duman`	`kd3: I was trying to answer your Q`
`00:20.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Use coffee grounds to scrub your hands, or corn meal (not corn flour, corn meal)`
`00:20.44`	`Duman`	`about the % error thing`
`00:20.50`	`Duman`	`something about how the events fire`
`00:20.58`	`Syzgyn`	`doesnt gasoline evaporate on its own?`
`00:21.01`	`Duman`	`there was some post on the UI forum about it the other day, I recall seeing it`
`00:21.07`	`kd3`	`syz; it absorbs into your skin`
`00:21.26`	`Syzgyn`	`ah, I dont see how you'd get that out then`
`00:21.39`	`Wobin`	`amputation?`
`00:21.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`fire`
`00:21.49`	`Syzgyn`	`point to you`
`00:21.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`fire gets everything out`
`00:21.58`	`Duman`	`hmm`
`00:22.06`	`Duman`	`kd3: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023783708&sid=2000`
`00:22.07`	`Wobin`	`except other fires`
`00:22.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`rolls eyes`
`00:22.09`	`kd3`	`bleh, back to the furball grind`
`00:22.16`	`Wobin`	`cause you can't exactly fight fire with fire...`
`00:22.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Coffee, chocolate, corn meal, fine grit sand.`
`00:22.38`	`Syzgyn`	`Yes, wash your hands with chocolate!`
`00:22.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobin: says you`
`00:22.45`	`Wobin`	`what a waste =\`
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`00:23.07`	`Wobin`	`you'd better check the chocolate is of good quality before using it`
`00:23.12`	`kd3`	`meh, at least I'm 64% done`
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`00:23.54`	`Wobin`	`NightHawkTheSane, so what are you going to do to the fire? -Burn- it out?`
`00:24.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it's fiery uniqueness will be absorbed into my own, and it will be assimilated by my all consuming flames.`
`00:25.10`	`zenzelezz`	`WTB Fiery Weapon PST`
`00:25.39`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Exactly how much gasoline did you get on yourself?`
`00:25.51`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`cause you're making it sound like you doused yourself`
`00:26.05`	`malreth`	`it's not me`
`00:26.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`malreth tried to light himself on fire nod`
`00:26.23`	`malreth`	`my mistress. she was filling her car up and some gasoline spilled from the nozzle`
`00:26.31`	`malreth`	`and no, that wasn't a euphemism`
`00:26.43`	`malreth`	`cough`
`00:26.44`	`Wobin`	`Orange Frappe Mocchachino?`
`00:26.54`	`zenzelezz`	`I'd hate to think what "gasoline" would be a euphemism for`
`00:27.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`just soak your hand in some warm water with a little bit of soap in it`
`00:27.11`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`if you're truly worried about it`
`00:27.29`	`Syzgyn`	`It's probably all but gone at this point`
`00:27.47`	`malreth`	`she says it's gotten under her fingernails`
`00:27.55`	`malreth`	`soaking is probably a good idea`
`00:28.08`	`Wobin`	`nailbrush`
`00:28.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Coffee/chocolate will help scrub out the odor, which is likely what's left. Soak in coffee, scrape under her nails with a nail file or skewer.`
`00:28.17`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`how is she your 'mistress'? Like, in the traditional sense or in the leather+chains sense?`
`00:28.35`	`malreth`	`Neuro_Medivh: traditional sense. she just takes my money`
`00:28.46`	`malreth`	`somehow, i think i'm losing out in this arrangement`
`00:28.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And your gas cleanup advice. smile`
`00:28.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`malreth: so how is that differnt from any other woman?`
`00:28.52`	`Syzgyn`	`hahaha`
`00:29.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`obviously, she can't even pump gas without making a mess`
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`00:40.58`	`Cairenn`	`Wobin: what do you mean you can't fight fire with fire? Obviously you've never seen a forest, brush or wild-grass fire :p`
`00:41.15`	`Cairenn`	`(or any other of that type)`
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`00:41.32`	`Wobin`	`that's not fighting fire with fire`
`00:41.37`	`Cairenn`	`yes it is`
`00:41.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`The best way to fight those is by setting another fire!`
`00:41.41`	`Wobin`	`that's fighting fire with burnt out ash`
`00:42.03`	`Cairenn`	`semantics`
`00:42.08`	`Cairenn`	`it's fighting fire with fire`
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`00:42.23`	`Wobin`	`causation =P`
`00:42.31`	`malreth`	`firefighters put out oil well fires by setting off a high explosive to burn up all the oxygen in the immediate area`
`00:42.46`	`Wobin`	`semantics are still about accuracy`
`00:42.54`	`Wobin`	`You can say "fight fire with water"`
`00:43.09`	`Wobin`	`cause water directly attempts to put out the fire`
`00:43.22`	`Wobin`	`"fight fire by reduing the oxygen in the air"`
`00:43.36`	`Cairenn`	`fire breaks directly attempt to put out the fire as well, by taking away their fuel`
`00:43.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If you get into semantics it's not fighting fire at all.`
`00:43.42`	`malreth`	`wobin: water removes heat`
`00:43.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So leave aside the semantics and let's have a nice hippy love-in.`
`00:43.59`	`malreth`	`fire requires oxygen, fuel, and heat to continue burning`
`00:44.01`	`Wobin`	`if you got a bulldozer and bulldozed the earth around a fire, and removed all the greenery, it'd do the same thing`
`00:44.06`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I'm all about the love-in`
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`00:45.07`	`Wobin`	`and I'm in no way demeaning what your grandfather does =P`
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`00:45.20`	`Wobin`	`I'm merely complaining about the phrasing of fight fire with fire =P`
`00:45.34`	`Cairenn`	`but it isn't an incorrect phrase :p`
`00:45.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`did i keep rejoining?`
`00:45.39`	`malreth`	`it's a metaphor`
`00:45.40`	`Wobin`	`yes`
`00:45.50`	`malreth`	`it doesn't mean to literally fight a fire with other flames`
`00:45.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`boo, ok`
`00:45.56`	`Wobin`	`if by 'keep' you mean once`
`00:46.07`	`malreth`	`it means loving each other with chocolate`
`00:46.16`	`Wobin`	`to remove the gasoline?`
`00:46.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart Wobin`
`00:46.29`	`purl`	`drops a humongous exploding nuke on Wobin`
`00:46.30`	`Wobin`	`have you been dousing Lope with gasoline again?`
`00:47.56`	`Wobin`	`I wouldn't trust malreth`
`00:48.13`	`malreth`	`do these eyes that lie?`
`00:48.23`	`DARKGuy`	`the cake is a lie.`
`00:50.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Gasoline is not. No douse the Peppy.`
`00:52.47`	`Keias`	`Well obviously its an excuse to cover you in chocolate`
`00:53.54`	`malreth`	`well that's no good`
`00:54.01`	`malreth`	`how would you eat the chocolate then?`
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`00:54.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Chocolate + gasoline is not appetizing`
`00:54.58`	`alestane`	`I would imagine not...`
`00:55.41`	`Wobin`	`it makes your car run really really fast`
`00:55.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`... eew.`
`00:55.49`	`Wobin`	`then come to a complete stop as the sugar rush stops`
`00:56.06`	`Wobin`	`it'll then be kinda depressed`
`00:57.29`	`Lunessa`	`Now I want chocolate.`
`00:58.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Me too. I have cherries at least.`
`01:01.21`	`Wobin`	`I need to find out when cherry season is`
`01:02.53`	`Duman`	`sigh`
`01:02.57`	`Anaral`	`Wobin: Right now`
`01:03.03`	`Syzgyn`	`Stop doing that Duman`
`01:03.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`right now, in the us.`
`01:03.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Right now, yup yup yup youp!!!!`
`01:03.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i suspect cheery season in australia is 6 months from now`
`01:03.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`assuming they even grow cherries there.`
`01:04.03`	`Wobin`	`we do`
`01:04.13`	`Wobin`	`mmm`
`01:04.14`	`Wobin`	`cherries`
`01:04.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ah hah!! http://jorm.livejournal.com/94477.html`
`01:04.18`	`Wobin`	`I can't wait`
`01:05.33`	`Wobin`	`Lopeppeppy, Thank you =)`
`01:06.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`For cherries, or that lovely top 20 list?`
`01:06.55`	`Wobin`	`Well.. you didn't give me any cherries =(`
`01:07.03`	`Wobin`	`and I'm now craving them`
`01:07.08`	`Wobin`	`so for the other =`
`01:07.10`	`Wobin`	`)`
`01:07.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I would, but these are skeevy and not all that good for sharing.`
`01:07.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`(she's just saying that to avoid sharing her cherries)`
`01:07.56`	`Wobin`	`That's what I'd do`
`01:08.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`im taking it one step further, actually, by not mentioning that i'm eating the best cherries ever, right now.`
`01:08.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... crap.`
`01:08.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No, they're not nice at all, these cherries. sigh I need something else to nibble.`
`01:10.09`	`Cide`	`>>> 13*1.5`
`01:10.09`	`Cide`	`Cide: 19.5`
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`01:10.43`	`Syzgyn`	`Lopeppeppy: Thats a neat article.`
`01:12.01`	`Wobin`	`I hear cherries are good`
`01:12.17`	`Syzgyn`	`I hear cherries go great with Limes`
`01:12.20`	`Wobin`	`well.. something like a bowlful is equal to an asprin`
`01:12.26`	`Wobin`	`or something`
`01:13.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobin: if i actually had cherries i might consider that, and to be honest, the headache is probably from eating nothing but a donut, and a few rice cakes all day long`
`01:13.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Probably, NightHawkTheSane.`
`01:15.03`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`why are you still here?`
`01:15.08`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`usually you're asleep by now :)`
`01:15.11`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`or something...`
`01:15.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Because I went home, darlin'. It's only 9pm, not bedtime just yet! :P`
`01:17.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh jeebus they're dumb! laugh`
`01:17.56`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`oh no, this is correct`
`01:18.05`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I'm just feeling overwhelmed with power right now`
`01:18.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Phenomenal cosmic power!!!!`
`01:18.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`... eety beety living space.`
`01:18.42`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`OMG!`
`01:18.46`	`p3lim`	`lol!`
`01:18.52`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`They put a picture up of me in "faculty and staff" too`
`01:18.54`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I look horrible ><`
`01:18.57`	`p3lim`	`blizzard made some part of one of my addons to WoTLK!`
`01:19.09`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I did not authorize this :(`
`01:19.18`	`p3lim`	`(tooltip and functions of pMinimap_Clock)`
`01:19.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If you signed the papers, I'm sure the picture thing was in there somewhere, Shirik.`
`01:20.17`	`kd3`	`meh, everything I signed for school included the "we have the right to post nude pictures of you online" clause`
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`01:23.18`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`\|Jelly\|: ping`
`01:23.22`	`\|Jelly\|`	`pong`
`01:26.16`	`Lunessa`	`I has a caramel.`
`01:26.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hmmm... interesting.`
`01:28.53`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`caramel is interesting?`
`01:29.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`... yup!`
`01:29.30`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I usually found it chewy and sweet`
`01:29.36`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but rarely did I think about it for more than a few seconds`
`01:29.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Is that not nicely interesting?`
`01:29.51`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`not entirely`
`01:34.56`	`Lunessa`	`It is delicious. It was a really big one, with tasty chocolate/caramel blend inside.`
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`01:35.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I think I'll have a blt.`
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`01:38.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`.. it's a nymbia`
`01:38.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`!`
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`01:41.15`	`nymbia`	`NightHawkTheSane: lies!!`
`01:41.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`oooh.. adium 1.3!`
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`01:42.25`	`nymbia`	`i just had that pop up too`
`01:42.34`	`nymbia`	`have you been using the betas?`
`01:42.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no`
`01:42.57`	`nymbia`	`its pretty nice`
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`01:43.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`neat. I'm usually too lazy to bother with betas for that`
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`01:45.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`oh, bonus, adium will update growl for me, it's been bugging me to update for weeks now.. :p`
`01:46.17`	`nymbia`	`took me like 3 tries to get that update to take`
`01:46.59`	`Lunessa`	`... installs new Adium...`
`01:47.10`	`malreth`	`there's a new adium?`
`01:47.25`	`malreth`	`oh... so there is?`
`01:47.27`	`nymbia`	`1.3's out`
`01:47.38`	`Lunessa`	`Just installed it. :)`
`01:48.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, that. nod`
`01:48.37`	`Lunessa`	`It's a multi-IM provider client solution.`
`01:48.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm not that gullible, malreth`
`01:48.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Lopeppeppy: it's gaim^WPidgin for osx`
`01:49.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`....`
`01:49.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`dammit.`
`01:55.08`	`Wobin`	`It's only windows atm, but they're looking into porting it`
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`01:57.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i've been meaning to try that on my laptop`
`01:57.45`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Pop quiz: tar -xzf: Extracts to current directory or where the gz file is?`
`01:58.03`	`kd3`	`current directory`
`01:58.06`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`ah, much easier then yay`
`01:58.33`	`kd3`	`whee... got the 700 feathers I need to get through revered`
`01:58.40`	`kd3`	`now to get /to/ revered.`
`01:58.50`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`lol`
`01:58.57`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`preemptive rep grinding?`
`01:59.18`	`kd3`	`kinda. it's far faster to get feathers/beads (30 rep a pop) compared to kills (at 2)`
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`02:04.21`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`~wtf as`
`02:04.43`	`Lunessa`	`kd3: Outlands grinding?`
`02:04.50`	`kd3`	`furbies`
`02:04.51`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I get "No such file or directory" from my make utility on ntox86-as-2.18`
`02:04.56`	`Lunessa`	`Oh man.`
`02:04.58`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I go to that folder and find ntox86-as-2.17`
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`02:05.08`	`Lunessa`	`... hates you so much for not taking me along.`
`02:05.12`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Think it'll work if I just make a symlink for 2.18? >.>`
`02:05.28`	`kd3`	`meh, I'm 71.964% done. now that I've got my 700 fearthers, gonna work on wintersaber now`
`02:05.49`	`kd3`	`s/earth/eath/`
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`02:08.23`	`Lunessa`	`... hate you SO much.`
`02:09.31`	`Wobin`	`what faction?`
`02:09.53`	`kd3`	`...alliance? horde can't do wintersaber`
`02:09.53`	`Wobin`	`oh`
`02:13.07`	`Lunessa`	`I must be a terrible beta-tester. I keep seeing these huge rant posts about how everything shaman is broken... and I'm not seeing it?`
`02:14.23`	`Shadowed`	`So in theory, if you set a secure button to 0 alpha, and EnableMouse(false) it, the user will see the button as being invisible. Correct? (Even if you do this in combat)`
`02:14.57`	`kd3`	`don't think you can disable mouse input in combat`
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`02:15.04`	`Shadowed`	`Thats what I think too`
`02:15.27`	`Lunessa`	`Yeah, I don't think you can. That defeats the whole intent of the design team.`
`02:15.56`	`Shadowed`	`alestane: ping`
`02:16.32`	`Shadowed`	`(I hope thats the same alestane as the UI forums)`
`02:16.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Lunessa: I don't see anything massively wrong with shaman either..`
`02:16.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but, I don't play enhance...`
`02:17.05`	`Lunessa`	`nod I mean, I solo as well or better than before, and I don't think I'm letting down any groups I've joined.`
`02:17.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and i don't pvp.`
`02:17.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i think a lot of the gripes come from enh and pvpers, really`
`02:17.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I havn't seen many "omg resto shaman are so broken now!" posts..`
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`02:25.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`haha.. "These will be new towers that will eventually take players to Northrend. Until that time, players are free to conduct races up and down the towers. We aren't responsible for any Gnomes that might become crushed in the shuffle."`
`02:29.37`	`Shirik`	`is it sad that I'm sitting in a school lab compiling stuff for my robot, and at the same time logged into wow :/`
`02:29.58`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`sad? or efficient!`
`02:33.35`	`Shirik`	`Upgrading to gcc 4.2 from 2.95`
`02:33.40`	`Shirik`	`omg, so many problems arose`
`02:35.19`	`Lunessa`	`"Stacking a raid in order to get the right buffs has started to feel a little like a crutch, much like stacking consumables felt not so long ago. Because some of the buffs scale so well and have so much synergy with other classes, you may sometimes feel that you should pass over a really skilled player in order to pick up a buff that will bring more to you group. We'd rather get back to bringing good players or, gasp, even your friends. "`
`02:35.35`	`Lunessa`	`<3 Ghostcrawler`
`02:36.14`	`Shirik`	`Ok, GCC has gotten WAY too smart`
`02:36.35`	`kd3`	`hm?`
`02:38.02`	`Corrodias`	`Lunessa: what's this? are they reducing dependence on buffs? :O`
`02:38.12`	`kd3`	`buffs are going raid-wide`
`02:38.17`	`Corrodias`	`excellent`
`02:38.28`	`kd3`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023610738&sid=2000`
`02:38.33`	`Lunessa`	`No, they are reducing the dependancy on have specific buffs.`
`02:39.00`	`Lunessa`	`In other words, you don't HAVE to stack your raid a specific way to have a good raid.`
`02:39.01`	`Corrodias`	`although a big reason i got sick of raiding was spending time outside, farming for bullshit consumables.`
`02:39.13`	`Corrodias`	`now if only they did something about that...`
`02:39.25`	`Corrodias`	`"lol casual noob, go back to your starcraft". okay!`
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`02:40.26`	`Corrodias`	`and yet when they say "much like stacking consumables felt not so long ago", it makes me wonder if they have done something about it`
`02:41.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Corrodias: depending on when you quit, they have`
`02:42.06`	`Syzgyn`	`I dont remember the last time I farmed for flasks or whatnot`
`02:42.13`	`Corrodias`	`it has to be like 6 months ago. get your flasks and food or you'll be excluded! :D`
`02:42.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`flasks arn't hard to get/make at all`
`02:42.35`	`Corrodias`	`fall asleep killing mobs looking for stupid warp burgers`
`02:42.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the mats are pretty easy, and there's marks of the illidari as well`
`02:42.59`	`Syzgyn`	`guildies send me their clefthoof meat from skinning :)`
`02:43.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`food, well, i can supply myself with enough`
`02:43.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`er, with enough blackened sporefish to raid just by doing the cooking daily on a couple characters`
`02:43.22`	`Corrodias`	`okay, so i must have quit after whatever changes you're referring to, anyway.`
`02:43.48`	`Syzgyn`	`I think he was referring to the changes made when BC was released`
`02:43.49`	`Corrodias`	`i was tired of the game anyway and that's just the focal point of my dissatisfaction, having to earn my fun`
`02:44.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Corrodias: understandable`
`02:44.07`	`Corrodias`	`when i can hop into another game and just... have fun`
`02:44.31`	`Syzgyn`	`Corrodias: how far progressed were you?`
`02:44.50`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so, this 3.0 patch, will it include the UI changes? I would assume so`
`02:45.03`	`Corrodias`	`something like 4 bosses into SC, so not far`
`02:45.04`	`Syzgyn`	`Most likely`
`02:45.08`	`Corrodias`	`nothing in TK`
`02:45.26`	`Syzgyn`	`Bah, that's not flask worth content, even if it is progression for you`
`02:46.51`	`Corrodias`	`we killed leo once or twice, and then the guild basically fell apart within a couple of weeks because too many people wanted to take a break all at the same time while others didn't but were unable to do jack shit without the others`
`02:47.25`	`Corrodias`	`not because they were bad or anything, but the characters weren't ready for it`
`02:47.48`	`Syzgyn`	`mmm, I know what thats like`
`02:49.52`	`Syzgyn`	`Grah, fontstrings and their bizzare truncate/wrap decisions annoy me`
`02:50.02`	`Corrodias`	`i'm not going to go all emo and continue my pityfest, so i'll end it there. the game is fun, and i admit the farming isn't life-ruining.`
`02:50.17`	`Corrodias`	`if you have a day every week to spare, you can get what you need.`
`02:51.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but anyway, point being, they have made a significant effort to make farming for consumables less obnoxious`
`02:51.46`	`Corrodias`	`i think i'm just all upset because i'm playing Earthbound Zero (Mother 1) and the rampant encounter rate and the level grinding requirement are bringing up this familiar feeling. >_>`
`02:52.05`	`Syzgyn`	`haha`
`02:52.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hehe`
`02:52.48`	`Lunessa`	`Corrodias: You guys got further than I did .:P`
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`02:53.55`	`Corrodias`	`did your guild explode? :D it's funny, actually, looking back at a distance`
`02:54.30`	`Lunessa`	`Corrodias: It didn't so much explode as wither.`
`02:54.35`	`Corrodias`	`but do tell the story! i like to hear drama stories`
`02:55.03`	`Lunessa`	`We had a core of people jump ship towards the end, but the death knell had sounded long before.`
`02:55.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that reminds me.. i need to find a new guild >.>`
`02:56.00`	`Syzgyn`	`lol`
`02:56.26`	`Corrodias`	`i remember this terrible, masochistic sense of obligation to keep showing up because i was a tank`
`02:56.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`(mine imploded a monthish ago, which is why that reminded me :p)`
`02:56.47`	`Lunessa`	`Basically we went from "leveling guild" to "guild with raids" to "core of folks who wanted to be hard core, but also wanted to be loot whores" to "people who are drama-centric" and me trying to manage all the egos. When I told someone to stop being a fuckwit, they left. Basically two key healers and two key tanks got fed up with me not bowing to their wims and bailed.`
`02:57.00`	`Syzgyn`	`I've had one guild that died from christmas break, one that tried to raid but failed horribly and died way after I left, and the one I'm in now, working on illidan :)`
`02:57.16`	`Corrodias`	`congrats, sysysysy`
`02:57.26`	`Syzgyn`	`sysysysy? lol`
`02:57.33`	`Dashkal`	`Half of mine decided they wanted to raid hardcore, formed a "sister guild" and are failing at it hardcore`
`02:57.34`	`Corrodias`	`i can't type that`
`02:57.47`	`Syzgyn`	`It's not the worst mis-pronunciation I've heart :P`
`02:57.53`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`the guild I was in all but died during christmas break... the death was when the guildleader had a second kid`
`02:57.57`	`Lunessa`	`Basically, I've come to the conclusion than I can manage a guild of 10-20 people and do well as long as the goal isn't "progression" and "me-centric" looting.`
`02:58.00`	`Corrodias`	`guild relationships in WoW fascinate me; what people will go through just to play the game`
`02:58.12`	`Syzgyn`	`I do not envy guild leaders at all`
`02:58.18`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`you shouldn't`
`02:58.25`	`Dashkal`	`Frankly the best guild I've been in is the author's guild on beta`
`02:58.33`	`Syzgyn`	`the problem is, I end up being so awesome in my guilds they make me an officer`
`02:58.36`	`Lunessa`	`I've been doing the guild-leader schtick since EQ launch. I'm fucking SICK of it.`
`02:58.37`	`alestane`	`I don't mind being an officer, but leader of an actual raiding guild would drain me.`
`02:58.44`	`Corrodias`	`absolutely agreed, Syzgyn. i swear ours was about to implode on the spot in that hydross-failing raid`
`02:58.46`	`Syzgyn`	`Ouch Lunessa`
`02:58.50`	`Corrodias`	`implode with despair`
`02:59.04`	`Syzgyn`	`Oh man, hydross was a new experience the first time`
`02:59.08`	`Syzgyn`	`that was a bad night`
`02:59.20`	`Corrodias`	`well yeah, but i mean after having beaten Leo for the first or second time just last week`
`02:59.24`	`Lunessa`	`However, I'm either going to give it a new go in WotLK, or I'm going to find a guild that will take me and server X-fer.`
`02:59.33`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I've led two progression guilds now... I handed off guildleader to someone else both times, cause it was just too much hassle`
`03:00.05`	`Corrodias`	`"Lunessa was taken in by a kind old guild. she lives in the attic and bakes wonderful cakes."`
`03:00.10`	`Syzgyn`	`Lunessa:what class are you`
`03:00.14`	`Syzgyn`	`hah`
`03:00.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I plan on rerolling a DK`
`03:00.26`	`Lunessa`	`Primarily? Enhancement shaman.`
`03:00.35`	`Lunessa`	`But I play fucking everything.`
`03:00.36`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Ouch, so am I`
`03:00.41`	`Syzgyn`	`ah, we definitely dont need any of those :(`
`03:00.51`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`No one does`
`03:00.57`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`everyone wants resto shaman`
`03:01.04`	`Syzgyn`	`we dont need those either`
`03:01.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`<--- resto shaman :D`
`03:01.07`	`Corrodias`	`the most fun -and- successful raiding guild on our realm - with which i was familiar anyway - used a rotating leader system`
`03:01.16`	`Lunessa`	`I has Shaman, Priest, Warlock, Mage all at 70. In beta I have 1 shamne at 78, one at 75, and mage, priest, and lock in at 70-ish.`
`03:01.26`	`Syzgyn`	`geeze`
`03:01.27`	`Corrodias`	`nobody had to put up with that shit for too long, i guess`
`03:01.48`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Lunessa, try DK.. it's like being enhancement, only with Plate and 2h weapons`
`03:02.09`	`Lunessa`	`Basically, I'm tired of people blaming me for everything, or battling me for leadership because they think they have a bigger penis than me.`
`03:02.17`	`Syzgyn`	`yeah, those are bad guilds`
`03:02.25`	`Lunessa`	`Neuro_Medivh: I have one. I'm also called "Else" in beta.`
`03:02.44`	`Syzgyn`	`I like my guild partially because at 21 I'm one of the youngest in it`
`03:03.44`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I once thought it would be neat to have a whole guild made of people called IllIllIlIlll or some variation`
`03:04.19`	`Syzgyn`	`lol`
`03:04.32`	`Lunessa`	`barcode.`
`03:04.37`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yep`
`03:05.16`	`Syzgyn`	`you could do the same sort of thing with Iooioioiioiii`
`03:05.42`	`Corrodias`	`see, in the font i use for IRC, those letters look nothing alike`
`03:06.05`	`Corrodias`	`i should have set up that font to use in WoW.`
`03:06.07`	`Syzgyn`	`ok, not the same, but binary-ish`
`03:07.43`	`ccox`	`Is anybody in San Jose for NVision (NVidia's developer ball)?`
`03:08.15`	`Nom-`	`weeeee`
`03:08.24`	`Nom-`	`UPS load scaled up from 80% to 125% this morning`
`03:08.31`	`Nom-`	`I smell burning.`
`03:09.51`	`Corrodias`	`uh oh`
`03:11.15`	`Nom-`	`When you hear things like that when you arrive, you know it's going to be an interesting day :P`
`03:13.19`	`Wobin`	`I just joined a ToG guild`
`03:13.33`	`Wobin`	`there doesn't appear to be quite the amount of emo`
`03:13.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ToG?`
`03:13.47`	`Wobin`	`The Older Gamers`
`03:13.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ah`
`03:14.17`	`Wobin`	`have to be over 25 to join, basically`
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`03:14.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`neat`
`03:14.53`	`Nom-`	`lol`
`03:15.03`	`Wobin`	`there's a lot less drama, no teenage angst`
`03:15.06`	`Nom-`	`what server ?`
`03:15.10`	`Wobin`	`only middle age angst =)`
`03:15.25`	`Wobin`	`We're on Proudmoore and ... Runetotem (US)`
`03:15.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i've found middle age angst can sometimes be about as bad. :p`
`03:15.40`	`Wobin`	`it's true`
`03:16.08`	`Wobin`	`but they get my jokes =P`
`03:16.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`haha`
`03:16.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`always a plus`
`03:16.25`	`Wobin`	`pop culture references are better received =)`
`03:16.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kids these days just don't have proper humor`
`03:16.38`	`Wobin`	`it's true`
`03:17.00`	`Syzgyn`	`boooooom`
`03:17.19`	`Wobin`	`They have their crappy players much like every other guild`
`03:17.23`	`Wobin`	`but they take instruction better`
`03:17.37`	`Wobin`	`eg, I had to teach a warrior how to multitank in ramps`
`03:17.53`	`Wobin`	`it only took him about 5 pulls to figure it out =P`
`03:18.05`	`Syzgyn`	`an on level warrior?`
`03:18.07`	`Wobin`	`I tell a lie, 2 pulls`
`03:18.18`	`Wobin`	`the first 3 were me getting pissed off =P`
`03:18.25`	`Syzgyn`	`hah`
`03:18.36`	`Wobin`	`since I died as soon as I threw a heal =P`
`03:18.56`	`Syzgyn`	`this is 60-61 right? not heroic?`
`03:18.58`	`Wobin`	`yeah`
`03:19.00`	`Syzgyn`	`ok`
`03:19.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i kinda miss playing a warrior.`
`03:19.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`tanking is more skillful than pallies or druids.`
`03:19.16`	`Wobin`	`I suspect he'd just been dps up to that point`
`03:19.20`	`Syzgyn`	`if a warrior got to 70 not knowing how to multitank, I'd cry`
`03:19.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Syzgyn: heh, i've seen it.`
`03:19.40`	`ajmitch`	`Syzgyn: isn't that the most common case?`
`03:19.43`	`Wobin`	`Syzgyn, similarly =\`
`03:20.00`	`Syzgyn`	`ok, let me add an addendum of 'having tanked before'`
`03:20.20`	`Syzgyn`	`which probably doesnt weed out many :\`
`03:20.52`	`Wobin`	`I'm finding I'm liking druid healing`
`03:20.59`	`Wobin`	`after being burnt out on priest healing`
`03:21.13`	`Wobin`	`even though I'm so not specced for it`
`03:21.35`	`Wobin`	`ajmitch, but you understood the concept of multitanking?`
`03:21.37`	`Syzgyn`	`lol at the latest dr. McNinja /offtopic`
`03:22.01`	`ajmitch`	`Wobin: sure, spam thunderclap & cleave is what I knew :)`
`03:22.29`	`Syzgyn`	`cleave is actually pretty rage-inefficient`
`03:22.37`	`Wobin`	`well at least you hit more than one mob =P`
`03:22.44`	`Wobin`	`which is more than this tank did`
`03:22.45`	`Syzgyn`	`you're generally better off tab'sundering`
`03:23.12`	`Wobin`	`tab'sunder is the heart of warrior multitanking`
`03:23.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobin: i find that the concept of "changing targets to hit other mobs before this one dies" strangely foreign to a lot of people`
`03:23.30`	`Syzgyn`	`now that all warriors get shield slam, it gets even easier`
`03:23.53`	`Wobin`	`NightHawkTheSane, they're too indoctrinated into focus fire`
`03:23.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Syzgyn: eh, not really. you still need to figure out how to change targets ;)`
`03:24.05`	`Wobin`	`without realising that tanks do it completely differently`
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`03:24.11`	`ajmitch`	`mouseover macro?`
`03:24.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ajmitch: the people we're talking about aren't nearly that clever.`
`03:24.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobin: yeah, i dunno, it just sorta came naturally to me. shrug :\`
`03:25.19`	`Syzgyn`	`NightHawk: granted, but having shield slam means spending less time on each add`
`03:25.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`in php if ($lastday - 12) is returning a -4 how could i reverse it ($lastday is a whole number from 1 to 12)`
`03:25.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Syzgyn: oh, definitely, it makes tanking vastly easier if you're not prot specced and know how to tank, but giving a warrior shield slam means nothing if they don't know what to do anyway. :P`
`03:25.52`	`Wobin`	`reverse it?`
`03:25.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`make it a non neg`
`03:26.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`reverse what?`
`03:26.09`	`Wobin`	`abs?`
`03:26.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`oh`
`03:26.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`\| \|?`
`03:26.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`boo`
`03:26.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`ok`
`03:26.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`dude.. look in the php manual`
`03:26.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`there's probably some absolute value function`
`03:26.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart NightHawkTheSane`
`03:26.38`	`purl`	`nabs the moon and broadsides NightHawkTheSane with the sea of tranquility`
`03:26.40`	`Wobin`	`probably something like math.abs`
`03:26.54`	`ajmitch`	`just abs() is enough`
`03:26.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobin: yeah, but named dumber.`
`03:27.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`dumber huh?`
`03:27.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`no comment`
`03:27.15`	`ajmitch`	`php doesn't exactly do namespaced functions`
`03:27.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Thunder_Child: seriously, the php manual is actually REALLY good for function references. use it often.`
`03:27.50`	`Wobin`	`# Zeppelin towers outside of Orgrimmar and Tirisfal Glades`
`03:27.58`	`Wobin`	`... aren't there already zep towers there?`
`03:28.03`	`kd3`	`the new zep tower`
`03:28.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobin: .. NEW ones.`
`03:28.31`	`Wobin`	`couldn't they add another level to the existing ones? =P`
`03:28.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`or as tigole noted: "These will be new towers that will eventually take players to Northrend. Until that time, players are free to conduct races up and down the towers. We aren't responsible for any Gnomes that might become crushed in the shuffle."`
`03:29.16`	`Wobin`	`hm, talents will be... interesting`
`03:29.56`	`kd3`	`s/tigole/eyonix/`
`03:30.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`thanks NightHawkTheSane`
`03:30.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kd3: was it? meh, i forget, thanks.`
`03:30.19`	`ajmitch`	`trying to continue raiding will be interesting`
`03:30.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`but if you EVER tell me to RTFM i shall hunt you down and kill you`
`03:30.35`	`kd3`	`meh... we did it for 2.0.1... we can do it for 3.0.1`
`03:30.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`^^`
`03:31.58`	`ajmitch`	`depends on the guild & whether there are enough people who'll adjust`
`03:32.30`	`Syzgyn`	`raiding will die wayyy down as soon as 3.0.1 hits`
`03:32.38`	`kd3`	`not like it hasn't already`
`03:32.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Syzgyn: why do you say that, anyway?`
`03:33.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i mean, for 2.0, raiding died because of the honor/pvp gear change`
`03:33.43`	`Syzgyn`	`Well its gone down yea, but once people get new talents to play around with, and the knowledge that WotLK is within 2 months (guess) away...`
`03:34.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`shrug people already know wotlk is on the horizon..`
`03:34.19`	`Syzgyn`	`True, and I guess its not quite the same as BC, where 61 greens replaced T2`
`03:34.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`indeed.`
`03:34.46`	`Lunessa`	`Ok, time for me to take myself home. Hopefully things will be less crazy here tomorrow.`
`03:34.50`	`Lunessa`	`Night.`
`03:34.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`night Lunessa`
`03:35.04`	`Syzgyn`	`I'd still wager that people will mostly stop progression raiding when that patch hits`
`03:35.24`	`Syzgyn`	`not to mention the possibility of it breaking existing encounters`
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`03:35.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hmm..`
`03:35.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`actually`
`03:35.57`	`ajmitch`	`like crushing blows & tanking?`
`03:36.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`with the change to shield block.. warriors wont be able to hit crush immunity`
`03:36.07`	`kd3`	`meh, they fixed patchwerk pretty quickly. I expect they'll be just as on the ball`
`03:36.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`paladins probably can still..`
`03:36.48`	`kd3`	`there aren't going to be any crushing blows in wrath unless you're getting hit by +4 mobs`
`03:37.01`	`kd3`	`s/+4/>4 level/`
`03:37.05`	`ajmitch`	`but trying to tank in BT with changed talents?`
`03:37.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kd3: but we're talking about the content patch prior to wrath.`
`03:37.31`	`kd3`	`who knows... that may carry over. I certainly didn't inspect inscription to make it live outside of wrath`
`03:37.48`	`kd3`	`s/inspect/expect/`
`03:37.51`	`kd3`	`gah. need more caffeine`
`03:38.14`	`Syzgyn`	`I'm still hoping inscription gets some nice BoP stuff`
`03:38.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`i am unsure as to why blizz still has not fixed the UI scale`
`03:38.38`	`kd3`	`bigger bugs to fry? WTB next-rank food and water for mages`
`03:38.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kd3: im hoping blizz sees the problem and just switches off crushing for all outland bosses`
`03:39.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that'd be the easiest stop-gap solution for 99% of bosses i think`
`03:39.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`kd3, as i am a mage i would agree, however, one is less constat than the other`
`03:39.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Syzgyn: well, we already know they'llget an extra glyph spot`
`03:40.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that alone is fairly significant`
`03:42.26`	`Syzgyn`	`True, but not enough for me to drop herbalism for it I think`
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`03:44.10`	`Shirik\|Ghost`	`ok you know what`
`03:44.16`	`Shirik\|Ghost`	`something is seriously wrong between my client and freenode`
`03:44.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`you hate your laptop?`
`03:44.28`	`Shirik\|Ghost`	`I'm REALLY good at desyncing the server and nickserv somehow`
`03:45.12`	`Shirik`	`Something my client does causes "ns ghost" to only work half way somehow`
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`03:46.03`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Could be a hardware issue... a loose nut behind the keyboard can cause all sorts of erratic issues`
`03:46.10`	`Shirik`	`...`
`03:46.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`speaking of lose nuts Neuro_Medivh`
`03:46.58`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I have no desire to lose my nuts, thank you =)`
`03:47.40`	`Shirik`	`on a completely unrelated note, we now have a chick-fil-a at our school`
`03:47.45`	`Shirik`	`and a starbucks`
`03:47.48`	`Shirik`	`== so much win`
`03:47.56`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`chik-fil-a is definately win`
`03:48.22`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`definitely? I never can remember that one`
`03:48.23`	`Shirik`	`only issue is it's not really filling imo`
`03:48.44`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`plus, if you're hungry for chikfila on sunday, you're SOL`
`03:49.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`definitely`
`03:49.11`	`Shirik`	`I wonder if they'll be open at school actually`
`03:49.28`	`Anaral`	`The chick-fil-a at our school wasn't`
`03:49.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`nope`
`03:49.35`	`Shirik`	`boo`
`03:49.45`	`Anaral`	`And waffle fries == win!`
`03:49.51`	`Shirik`	`not big enough`
`03:49.57`	`Anaral`	`yes`
`03:50.06`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`no chik-fil-a is open on sunday, which is a shame`
`03:50.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`make your own`
`03:50.18`	`Shirik`	`wierd`
`03:51.38`	`Syzgyn`	`I met the guy who started chik-fil-a`
`03:53.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`if it's that guy down by the bus depot who claims to have gotten forced out of the company in 72, I wouldn't trust him`
`03:53.29`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`03:53.48`	`Syzgyn`	`haha`
`03:54.08`	`Syzgyn`	`no, it was actually him, it was through some young leadership thing when I was in high school`
`03:54.36`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`those kinds of things always creep me out`
`03:54.57`	`Syzgyn`	`It was like 'hey you're elligible to go to this and get out of school for the day'`
`03:55.13`	`Syzgyn`	`I had no idea what it was beforehand`
`03:55.52`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`everyone always tells high school kids "You need to plan your future NOW, before it's too late!" instead of saying "Guys, relax, have fun, don't stress life too much..."`
`03:56.31`	`Syzgyn`	`hah yeah`
`03:56.32`	`Shirik`	`I wish someone told me not to stress`
`03:56.48`	`Shirik`	`instead of "oh hey do this" "oh work on this project too" "oh here grade these for me"`
`03:56.56`	`Shirik`	`I have way too many things to do this semester...`
`03:57.11`	`Syzgyn`	`Shirik: Dont stress`
`03:57.11`	`Syzgyn`	`:)`
`03:57.16`	`Shirik`	`too late!`
`03:57.20`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Things I learned in life: No one gives a shit about your high school grades past day 1 of college, no one gives a shit about your college grades past day 1 of your first job`
`03:57.20`	`Shirik`	`I'm already dead`
`03:57.23`	`Syzgyn`	`Its never too late!`
`03:57.47`	`Shirik`	`Neuro_Medivh: Grades don't matter at all if you have the experience to back it up`
`03:57.57`	`Shirik`	`well ok they matter some`
`03:57.58`	`Shirik`	`but still`
`03:58.00`	`Syzgyn`	`Neuro: I'd say thats true until you either a) get your masters or b) get another job`
`03:58.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`in fact, tbh, no one gives a shit about your grades, they only care WHERE you got your degree from`
`03:58.18`	`Syzgyn`	`^^`
`03:58.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`eh, they hardly even carea bout that`
`03:58.53`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`depends on your field`
`03:59.02`	`Shirik`	`aerospace does a bit`
`03:59.07`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`if you're a lawyer, architect, etc it damn sure does`
`03:59.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`okay, fair enough`
`03:59.20`	`kd3`	`whee`
`03:59.26`	`Shirik`	`safety-critical systems tend to do that`
`03:59.29`	`Syzgyn`	`A masters from GA Tech carries more weight than a masters from 'Local college X'`
`03:59.30`	`Shirik`	`people like tracability`
`03:59.36`	`Shirik`	`psh`
`03:59.38`	`Syzgyn`	`regardless of field`
`03:59.42`	`Shirik`	`GA Tech is crap lately imo`
`03:59.47`	`kd3`	`^`
`03:59.49`	`Syzgyn`	`it was an example :P`
`03:59.52`	`Shirik`	`At least that's how they've shown themselves in competitions`
`03:59.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Syzgyn: eh, it's not "regardless of field" though`
`04:00.00`	`Syzgyn`	`you're right`
`04:00.03`	`Syzgyn`	`but in many fields`
`04:00.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i mean, with some fields, it's more about what you've done in previous positions`
`04:00.44`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`what it boils down to is this: Every field has it's 4-5 "preferred" schools`
`04:00.53`	`Syzgyn`	`agreed`
`04:01.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so you either get the degree from the "top" schools, a reputable 4 year university, followed by local no-name schools`
`04:02.07`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`like, for example, Hotel and Restaurant Management. One of the best schools for this degree is U of Houston`
`04:02.23`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`cause there's the Conrad Hilton school of H&R`
`04:02.57`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`obviously in the hard sciences, MIT is a big pedigree, but the MIT law school might not be so prestigious =)`
`04:03.09`	`Syzgyn`	`offtopic, is there any way to get fontstrings to wrap around an object?`
`04:03.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`assuming they have one`
`04:04.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeesh, northrend's in its death throes it seems`
`04:04.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Shirik, where do you go to school? MIT or CalTech?`
`04:04.33`	`kd3`	`rofl. guess I'm going back to the furby grind`
`04:04.39`	`Shirik`	`Neuro_Medivh: Non-PhD, sorry`
`04:04.46`	`Shirik`	`They split those things a while ago :)`
`04:04.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kd3: srsly, crashing every 5-10 minutes`
`04:05.16`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`ahh, that's grad school I'm looking at`
`04:05.41`	`Shirik`	`http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/spec-aero`
`04:05.47`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Embry?`
`04:05.49`	`Shirik`	`#1 for 9 straight years (actually #1 every year it's been ranked)`
`04:05.58`	`Shirik`	`yup`
`04:06.27`	`Shirik`	`Nice place really :) Not too big, etc.`
`04:07.02`	`Shirik`	`though there's plans to have a PhD program next year`
`04:07.10`	`Shirik`	`I'm really anxious to see where they get ranked after that`
`04:07.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`haha.. go to this link: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college and hover over the 'liberal arts colleges' link, and similar links`
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`04:08.34`	`Cairenn`	`NightHawkTheSane: heh`
`04:08.57`	`Shirik`	`hm`
`04:09.10`	`Shirik`	`would appear someone didn't go to one of those top ranked schools :)`
`04:09.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`zing`
`04:10.02`	`Shirik`	`!g qnx gcc 4.3.2 preview`
`04:10.02`	`batbot`	`Shirik: Changelog for OpenGUI (formerly FastGL) ===================== 0.99 ... <http://www.tutok.sk/fastgl/download/changes.txt>`
`04:10.03`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`wow... UC-Berkeley is the highest ranked state school`
`04:10.08`	`Shirik`	`sigh`
`04:10.10`	`Shirik`	`~fail batbot`
`04:10.11`	`purl`	`batbot: FAIL!`
`04:10.29`	`Shirik`	`oh,`
`04:10.31`	`Shirik`	`~failrik`
`04:10.31`	`purl`	`FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!`
`04:10.36`	`Shirik`	`4.2.3 :(`
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`04:30.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`sylvanaar, where do you want the bug reports?`
`04:32.49`	`Wobin`	`there are so many ways to answer that...`
`04:33.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`good thing i wasnt asking you then, isnt it?`
`04:33.50`	`Wobin`	`pft, I didn't specify that there were so many ways _I_ could answer that`
`04:34.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`true, but not everyone is like you`
`04:34.46`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`bah, get a room you two`
`04:35.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`neuro is a closet vouyer`
`04:35.29`	`Wobin`	`hey TC`
`04:35.33`	`Wobin`	`I'm here to clean the pool`
`04:35.49`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`closet, window, hidden camera..`
`04:35.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dont have a pool...wish i did though :(`
`04:36.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`pool is a euphamism`
`04:37.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`no kidding`
`04:37.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`...`
`04:38.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`not like it's nothing you havent seen before`
`04:38.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`You know, Wobin, modern porn doesn't even bother with the fiction of a "pool cleaner"`
`04:38.31`	`Wobin`	`what was the mode to ignore nonregistered pms?`
`04:38.50`	`kd3`	`+e?`
`04:38.55`	`Wobin`	`cause I'm getting flooded =(`
`04:39.00`	`Wobin`	`how do I set it?`
`04:39.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`~flood Wobin`
`04:39.03`	`purl`	`ACTION blasts Wobin with a huge firehose then strangles Wobin with it`
`04:39.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`./mode +e`
`04:39.20`	`Wobin`	`that's for the channel, no?`
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`04:39.22`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`or not`
`04:39.28`	`kd3`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:39.34`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that's right`
`04:40.28`	`Wobin`	`taa`
`04:40.29`	`Wobin`	`brb`
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`04:41.47`	`Wobin`	`much better`
`04:41.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`what were you being flooded with?`
`04:42.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`people who mine nodes you're standing hte fuck on top of need to be ass raped by a poison oak bush.`
`04:43.36`	`Wobin`	`Neuro_Medivh: it was that botspam that generated random char string names and sent random charstring messages`
`04:43.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`ah`
`04:46.59`	`Shirik`	`~ping`
`04:46.59`	`purl`	`~pong`
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`05:23.57`	`sylvanaar`	`Thunder_Child on the alpha thread`
`05:24.00`	`Sixen`	`Hm?`
`05:24.03`	`Sixen`	`I see someone was spamming.`
`05:24.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hoo wow, advertising firms are going to be pissed`
`05:24.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"IE [8] automatically blocks sites that have ?seen? you across more than ten sites."`
`05:24.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/25/ie8-and-privacy.aspx`
`05:24.45`	`sylvanaar`	`Thunder_Child http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14824.0`
`05:24.56`	`ReAn`	`can someone tell me where i've gone wrong? I've got a TGA file im trying to get to show up on my mod, the Texture Frame works fine, i can manually set it to a solid color or a wow texture, but when i try to load my texture it is pure transparant (i.e. not there) the TGA is a 32bit uncompressed TGA complete with a proper alpha channel`
`05:25.05`	`ReAn`	`is there something i may be overlooking?`
`05:26.50`	`ccox`	`is there anything in the alpha channel, or is it a solid color?`
`05:27.03`	`ccox`	`if it's solid, try putting in a gradient to see if it is being read correctly`
`05:27.03`	`ReAn`	`originally it was solid white`
`05:27.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`is the texture set to a size that is a multiple of 2?`
`05:27.09`	`ReAn`	`then i changed it to a proper one`
`05:27.16`	`ReAn`	`i.e. what the alpha channel should be`
`05:27.21`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`ReAn, how big is the texture?`
`05:27.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, the texture size has to be a multiple of two on each side (though not the same multiple)`
`05:27.33`	`ccox`	`um, "proper" and "what it should be" are meaningless without more info`
`05:27.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Max of 512x512`
`05:27.37`	`ReAn`	`512x256`
`05:27.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hmm`
`05:27.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Check the FrameXML.log?`
`05:27.52`	`ccox`	`"proper" and "what it should be" could be solid white or black...`
`05:27.52`	`ReAn`	`empty`
`05:27.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(Would it be there?)`
`05:28.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`:Show the frame? :)`
`05:28.13`	`ReAn`	`yep`
`05:28.14`	`ReAn`	`like i said`
`05:28.18`	`ReAn`	`wow textures show up`
`05:28.22`	`ReAn`	`like the blood rune texture`
`05:28.34`	`ReAn`	`or a solid color`
`05:28.43`	`ReAn`	`using :SetTexture(1,0,0)`
`05:28.51`	`Tem`	`what size is your texture?`
`05:29.00`	`Tem`	`they can't be bigger than 512x512`
`05:29.02`	`ReAn`	`<ReAn> 512x256`
`05:29.38`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`just checking, have you reloaded WoW? not just reloaded the UI?`
`05:29.43`	`ReAn`	`yep`
`05:29.49`	`ReAn`	`a couple times infact`
`05:30.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Typo the texture path? :)`
`05:30.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Ohh`
`05:30.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Did you \\ the path or just \ ?`
`05:30.22`	`ReAn`	`\\`
`05:30.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`\`
`05:30.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Give that a shot`
`05:30.44`	`ReAn`	`oh fuck, you know what...`
`05:30.54`	`ReAn`	`i think i know my problem, one sec`
`05:31.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`well, in my addon, I had to path it like so: <Texture name="NeuroSkinC" file="Interface\AddOns\NeuroSkin\BottomC">`
`05:31.42`	`ReAn`	`score!`
`05:31.47`	`ReAn`	`i forgot \\AddOns\\`
`05:31.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`05:31.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Texture path`
`05:32.01`	`ReAn`	`cuz all the other wow ui shit is just Interface\\Something\\Image`
`05:32.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yup`
`05:32.36`	`ReAn`	`i feel like a retard now`
`05:36.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`i just got back to my computer, but that last statement looks familiar ReAn. most people around here have said that a time or 2`
`05:36.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`some, far more than that`
`05:36.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`.. i resemble that remark. >.>`
`05:36.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"most people around"`
`05:36.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`^`
`05:37.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`ScytheBlade1, the only people that includes are the people that have said less than 10 words total in this channel`
`05:38.30`	`erikd`	`YEAH`
`05:38.36`	`erikd`	`what he said`
`05:38.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/that/that phrase/`
`05:41.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you know.. one day.. the beta servers will be stable and i'm going to get really really confused at not being booted every 15 miutes`
`05:42.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`NightHawkTheSane: month after release`
`05:42.16`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that's called "release day"`
`05:42.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Neuro_Medivh: no, that's the bottom of the barrel`
`05:42.58`	`ReAn`	`NightHawkTheSane, you're getting booted?`
`05:43.01`	`Corrodias`	`sigh, wow actually sounds interesting compared to this game i'm playing now. >_> is diable 3 out yet? :P`
`05:43.14`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Corrodias: Yes`
`05:43.14`	`erikd`	`nighthawk: it was kinda weird logging into live for a raid tonight and not getting booted or having 1s lag for the entire night`
`05:43.16`	`Corrodias`	`yes, diable. NAME CHANGE.`
`05:43.19`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`finished it last week`
`05:43.20`	`erikd`	`it was like a whole new game!`
`05:43.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ReAn: .. i've been getting booted from the game every 10-15 minutes now for hours..`
`05:43.58`	`erikd`	`diablo 3 probably won't be out for a year or so`
`05:44.14`	`ReAn`	`erikd: didn't we say that about SC2?`
`05:44.19`	`ReAn`	`like a year ago...`
`05:44.34`	`erikd`	`i didn't say it'd be out in a year :)`
`05:44.37`	`Corrodias`	`erikd: maybe if i keep asking EVERY DAY it will be here sooner!`
`05:44.47`	`erikd`	`that's what the "or so" is there for`
`05:45.09`	`erikd`	`by adding that i know i'll be right!`
`05:45.13`	`ReAn`	`anyone know the slashcommand for ag_UnitFrames?`
`05:45.18`	`erikd`	`it could come out tomorrow and it'd be a year... or so`
`05:50.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`it wont be tomorrow i can tell you that much`
`05:50.35`	`WobWork`	`ReAn: isn'tt there an addon config screen?`
`05:51.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`./aguf`
`05:51.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`though it errors out for me on beta`
`05:53.37`	`ReAn`	`yea, i found it`
`05:53.42`	`ReAn`	`it's labeled as GUnit`
`05:53.49`	`ReAn`	`which is a bit.... misleading`
`05:55.05`	`Tekkub`	`anyone got a retardin on beta?`
`05:55.54`	`ReAn`	`lol`
`05:55.56`	`ReAn`	`hey tekkub`
`05:55.56`	`Corrodias`	`i don't suppose they're planning to make other classes start at a heightened level too, are they?`
`05:56.04`	`ReAn`	`no`
`05:56.12`	`Tekkub`	`is that a yes ReAn?`
`05:56.18`	`Tekkub`	`to my Q`
`05:56.27`	`ReAn`	`no`
`05:56.29`	`Corrodias`	`or is it a yes to mine?`
`05:56.29`	`ReAn`	`sorry`
`05:56.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Corrodias: unlikely`
`05:56.35`	`ReAn`	`and no to Corrodias`
`05:56.45`	`Tekkub`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:56.53`	`WobWork`	`ahah, I'm so going to go tame an arctic bear cub on my hunter`
`05:56.55`	`WobWork`	`so cute`
`05:57.01`	`Tekkub`	`WTB beta retardin advice... my leveling partner's DPS is pathetic`
`05:57.14`	`WobWork`	`http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/wotlk/mobs/arcticgrizzlycub.php`
`05:57.23`	`Tekkub`	`I need to give him a cast cycle he can maybe get off one or two of before I kill the mob`
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`05:58.03`	`Tekkub`	`he was almost pulling 200DPS last night... that's the best he's done`
`05:58.10`	`Tekkub`	`my spriest pulls like 550`
`05:58.45`	`WobWork`	`that's pretty terrible for a 70?`
`05:59.06`	`starlon`	`That's pretty terrible for auto attack at 70.`
`05:59.46`	`ReAn`	`my druid pulls 500 dps tanking`
`05:59.52`	`ReAn`	`200 is utter fail`
`06:00.06`	`ReAn`	`Tekkub`
`06:00.21`	`ReAn`	`I know a decent amount of paladin mechanics, a good friend of mine played ret forever`
`06:00.24`	`Corrodias`	`indeed. 800+ is like minimum to start kara if my memory serves me right`
`06:00.30`	`ReAn`	`i can hop on my alliance toon a see if i can help`
`06:00.48`	`ReAn`	`Corrodias: 500 is minimum, but 800 is reccomended`
`06:00.51`	`Tekkub`	`well we're talking beta here, shit's changed a bunch for pallies`
`06:00.52`	`ReAn`	`to START`
`06:01.03`	`ReAn`	`i know Tekkub, i can still try to help`
`06:01.10`	`ReAn`	`let me hop on her`
`06:01.12`	`Tekkub`	`yea I'm pullin 550 in what used to be my HEALING gear`
`06:01.17`	`ReAn`	`you on Tekkub?`
`06:01.29`	`Tekkub`	`I'm on Bjorn, beta`
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`06:01.34`	`Tekkub`	`northrend`
`06:01.35`	`Corrodias`	`still, if they're doing 200dps, i think even a trained monkey could teach them SOMETHING`
`06:01.43`	`ReAn`	`be right on`
`06:01.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's sub-60 DPS`
`06:02.02`	`ReAn`	`yea`
`06:02.11`	`Tekkub`	`yes, a simple "use this seal, this judgement, then spam this spell every time it's up" is what he needs`
`06:02.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`.. not that it necessarily excuses 200dps, but i think paladin dps is borked right now a bit, as judgements arn't doing damage`
`06:02.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`(or, actually, anything)`
`06:04.18`	`Corrodias`	`this almost makes me want to play again... well, if there were anything for me to do that is`
`06:04.39`	`Tekkub`	`get this... this is what he said to me the other night`
`06:04.43`	`Tekkub`	`I'm a spriest...`
`06:04.50`	`Tekkub`	`"Stop pulling shit off me"`
`06:05.06`	`Tekkub`	`he had RF up at the time, and never touches his taunt...`
`06:05.18`	`Tekkub`	`he's not exactly bright`
`06:05.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`btw, tek, remember that pallies are fuxxored right now`
`06:05.46`	`Tekkub`	`uhm.. I don't think you get it...`
`06:05.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart drama`
`06:05.49`	`purl`	`urinates on drama`
`06:05.55`	`Tekkub`	`at first, he was doing SIXTY DPS`
`06:06.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`giggle`
`06:06.06`	`Tekkub`	`200 was a fucking record`
`06:06.08`	`WobWork`	`perhaps he's facing -away- from the mob =P`
`06:06.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`is he autoattacking?`
`06:06.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`.. i think my prot pally does more than 60 dps just letting mobs -hit- him.,`
`06:06.29`	`Corrodias`	`my druid could probably autoattack for more than 200dps in healing gear. in casting form.`
`06:06.30`	`Tekkub`	`Wob.. uhm... you know Donald on Dark Legacy?`
`06:06.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`perhaps he needs to repair`
`06:06.33`	`Tekkub`	`yea...`
`06:06.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`repair lol`
`06:07.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`i could see 60 dps in completely broken gear with no weapon`
`06:07.13`	`WobWork`	`Tekkub: ><`
`06:07.30`	`Corrodias`	`assuming my account wasn't stolen or something between when i quit and when the accoun expired. that would be unfortunate.`
`06:07.39`	`WobWork`	`how did he get to 70 in the first place?`
`06:07.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`WobWork: at 60 dps.. very very slowly`
`06:08.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think my warlock can do more than 60 dps autoattacking`
`06:08.08`	`WobWork`	`killing boars =P`
`06:08.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol`
`06:09.28`	`Tekkub`	`Wob, he got there with me`
`06:09.53`	`Tekkub`	`and he was actually pulling 160 DPS at 55, but I don't remember numbers 60-70`
`06:10.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`What class?`
`06:10.46`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`ret pally, I believe`
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`06:10.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So... auto attacking?`
`06:12.49`	`Tekkub`	`ScytheBlade1, well the fact that he can't hold a mob off me means he spends a lot of time chasing`
`06:12.59`	`Tekkub`	`and I'm 99% sure he's a keyboard turner`
`06:13.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So running and auto attacking`
`06:13.06`	`Tekkub`	`AND a mouse caster`
`06:13.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`s/and/while/`
`06:14.22`	`Syzgyn`	`so.... why are you leveling with him if he's so terrible?`
`06:14.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`hearing "i checked, you were all up in our dmz" makes me sad when it comes from a 40 yo cop`
`06:14.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Syzgyn: he isn't, he's soloing with a level one following`
`06:14.55`	`Corrodias`	`dmz?`
`06:14.59`	`Syzgyn`	`lawl`
`06:15.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`ya`
`06:15.09`	`Fisker-`	`wtf`
`06:15.15`	`Tekkub`	`Syzgyn, cause I got noone else to level with on a regular basis`
`06:15.16`	`Fisker-`	`wotlk patch in a couple of weeks?`
`06:15.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`dmz is fine`
`06:15.17`	`Fisker-`	`:o`
`06:15.27`	`Syzgyn`	`eh?`
`06:15.40`	`Syzgyn`	`Tek, thats unfortunate :\`
`06:15.46`	`Fisker-`	`"we will be issuing a new content patch in the coming weeks. Much like the patch made available shortly before The Burning Crusade's release"`
`06:15.47`	`Fisker-`	`>:O`
`06:15.52`	`Syzgyn`	`link?`
`06:15.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`general forum sticky`
`06:16.21`	`Fisker-`	`i wonder if wotlk is soon then`
`06:16.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`nah`
`06:16.30`	`Fisker-`	`or if they decided to release the patch very early as i hoped`
`06:16.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`not with all the seeming issues`
`06:16.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon`
`06:16.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It always has been`
`06:16.38`	`Syzgyn`	`Its sooooo not ready`
`06:17.19`	`Syzgyn`	`I like that they're letting you start Inscription early though`
`06:17.23`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`3.0 to live will occur around Sept 21-28, and about 5 weeks later, Nov 3, Wotlk!`
`06:17.38`	`ReAn`	`i dont belive it`
`06:17.41`	`ReAn`	`not one bit`
`06:17.43`	`Syzgyn`	`>_>`
`06:17.46`	`ReAn`	`this game is nowhere near release`
`06:17.50`	`ReAn`	`NOWHERE`
`06:17.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`3.0 can hit fine`
`06:18.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Expansion content is another story entirely`
`06:18.03`	`Corrodias`	`so can your mom`
`06:18.04`	`Syzgyn`	`raise your hand if you think this is vivendi pushing it out the door.`
`06:18.06`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I am basing that entirely off of the BC timeline`
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`06:18.42`	`Syzgyn`	`the BC time line from when the beta started? or what?`
`06:18.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`vivendi isn't pushing shit out the door. Blizzard is the single most profitable part of Vivendi, which gives them the clout to say "stick it"`
`06:18.51`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Yes, Syz`
`06:18.58`	`Syzgyn`	`you never know`
`06:19.01`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`BC Beta started first week of Oct.`
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`06:19.16`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`2.0 hit around the second week of Dec`
`06:19.29`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`BC went live middle of Jan`
`06:20.01`	`Fisker-`	`wotlk can't be out in a acouple of months`
`06:20.07`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`why not?`
`06:20.14`	`Syzgyn`	`a couple of months is all thats left in the year`
`06:20.15`	`ReAn`	`it's nowhere near ready`
`06:20.17`	`Fisker-`	`we would know >:3`
`06:20.18`	`ccox`	`Neuro - I wish that quality always won out over schedule and beancounters, but it doesn't work that way`
`06:20.23`	`ReAn`	`blizz hasn't even touched class balance`
`06:20.28`	`Syzgyn`	`they cant yet`
`06:20.36`	`ReAn`	`most classes still are essentially broken cuz half thier shit isn't implemented yet`
`06:20.39`	`Syzgyn`	`they havent gotten everything working yet`
`06:20.43`	`Fisker-`	`They haven't even gotten past first pass on some classes yet`
`06:20.45`	`ReAn`	`they're still busy playing around with DKs`
`06:20.56`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Again, I disagree. I think they'll hit a target date of around Nov 18th, tbh`
`06:21.03`	`Syzgyn`	`this is a bad omen looming :V`
`06:21.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and ccox, Blizzard has always put quality over release schedule`
`06:21.39`	`Fisker-`	`Neuro_Medivh they themselves have even said that they will probably slip 2008`
`06:21.40`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`as they proved with TBC when they pushed it back past Christmas`
`06:21.55`	`ccox`	`Neuro - yes, they have, but that doesn't mean they can continue with big beancounters breathing down their neck`
`06:22.02`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`sure it does`
`06:22.05`	`ccox`	`(been there, fought that battle, have the scars to prove it)`
`06:22.12`	`Fisker-`	`btw`
`06:22.17`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Blizzard has a 40% profit margin`
`06:22.20`	`Syzgyn`	`Blizzard wasnt part of vivendi then. And while they do have the power to get alot of wiggle room, it doesnt give them a never-ending pause button`
`06:22.23`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that's FUCKING RETARDED`
`06:22.24`	`Fisker-`	`blizzard announced the TBC date 3 months in advance`
`06:22.32`	`Fisker-`	`They haven't announced one for wotlk yet`
`06:22.36`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`no they didn't`
`06:22.41`	`Fisker-`	`yes they did`
`06:22.51`	`Syzgyn`	`I would also say there's more new content in LK than BC by a large margin`
`06:22.53`	`ccox`	`Neuro - I've seen products with more like 2000% profit margins get pushed out early`
`06:23.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Syz, how you figure?`
`06:23.21`	`ccox`	`Syz - LK and BC seem pretty similar`
`06:23.31`	`ccox`	`(no new races!)`
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`06:24.26`	`Fisker-`	`http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/08/22/brack-wrath-of-the-lich-king-may-not-hit-2008/ <-anyways`
`06:24.27`	`Fisker-`	`sauce`
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`06:24.52`	`Syzgyn`	`new class is a big part of it`
`06:25.19`	`ReAn`	`seriously guys`
`06:25.19`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Fisker, that's just them re-affirming the whole Blizzard motto of "When it's ready"`
`06:25.32`	`ReAn`	`LK only recently has just finished thier GEOMETRY`
`06:25.58`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I'm simply saying that based on past experience with TBC, lich king will ship around the middle of Nov, and that's giving them a few extra weeks`
`06:27.05`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`when TBC beta opened, it was in a similar state as LK beta... 67 level cap, 4 unfinished zones, lots of unfinished talents`
`06:28.28`	`Fisker-`	`Wasn't like that when it closed though`
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`06:29.19`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`of course not... LK beta isn't close to being closed either`
`06:29.50`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`btw, just did the research, BC release date was announced Nov 9th, just over a month after beta started. We haven't hit the month mark yet on beta`
`06:30.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`or we're right at it`
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`06:32.25`	`Fisker-`	`One month and a week actually`
`06:34.32`	`Fisker-`	`and it was announced 24th october`
`06:34.41`	`Fisker-`	`almost 3 months in advance`
`06:35.26`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Link? Cause what I found was Nov 9th press release`
`06:36.02`	`ReAn`	`lol Tekkub`
`06:36.08`	`ReAn`	`world server crash = no fun`
`06:36.09`	`Tekkub`	`he log in?`
`06:36.13`	`Tekkub`	`oh`
`06:36.17`	`Tekkub`	`loggin onto bjorn`
`06:36.26`	`Fisker-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=71337407&postId=713110234&sid=1#0`
`06:36.33`	`ReAn`	`i've got nothing but tsu on alliance`
`06:36.34`	`Tekkub`	`anywho, yea proof that he just fails`
`06:36.49`	`ReAn`	`yea, ret pally is pretty easy`
`06:36.56`	`Tekkub`	`yea I know`
`06:37.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Oh, that's just the push-back announcement, they didn't give a firm date`
`06:37.07`	`Tekkub`	`I can fucking tank off his druid on my retardin`
`06:37.22`	`ReAn`	`lol, well im gonna get back to my DK mod`
`06:37.43`	`Tekkub`	`yea I want to work more on Cork`
`06:37.59`	`ReAn`	`tip: stay in outlands`
`06:38.06`	`ReAn`	`it dosent crash as much as northrend`
`06:38.09`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`06:38.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I'm guessing in the next few weeks, they'll announce a release date`
`06:38.16`	`Tekkub`	`not that worried about it`
`06:38.29`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`my guess is Nov 18th, or possibly 25th`
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`06:41.08`	`Tekkub`	`aw he's not gonna pally tonight`
`06:41.20`	`Tekkub`	`I should send him those "How To Paladin" movies`
`06:43.49`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`it's easy`
`06:44.39`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`have him make a macro, "/target Tekkub /cast Flash of Light", bind to the '1' key, and spam it`
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`06:45.52`	`Tekkub`	`I can heal myself if I need it, thanks`
`06:46.04`	`Tekkub`	`spriest, prefer healin roles, remember`
`06:47.41`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`ah`
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`06:48.23`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`wish Blizz would allow you to take over names that had been abandoned, like Nickserv does`
`06:49.19`	`Thrae`	`Neuro_Medivh: What's "abandoned"? Maybe a guy cancels his account for 6 months, then comes back.`
`06:50.19`	`ccox`	`Blizz has promised (for the time being) that they will reserve names and store toons indefinitely`
`06:50.56`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lvl 1-20, 3 months of no activity = abandoned, 21-60 = 6 months, 60+ = forever`
`06:51.08`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`toons, yes, they never said names`
`06:51.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`im sure in blizzards eyes, the two are relatively linked`
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`06:52.08`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`why? If some lvl2 mage is known as Blaze, for example, after 3 months of not logging in his name gets changed to Blaze!`
`06:52.21`	`Amarande`	`glah`
`06:52.26`	`Amarande`	`maybe one of you folks can tell me`
`06:52.36`	`Amarande`	`is there a future right now for displaced DPS whose guilds collapsed?`
`06:52.50`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`?`
`06:53.04`	`clad\|away`	`another guild?`
`06:53.07`	`Amarande`	`Neuro_Medivh: guild my warlock is in is falling apart rapidly due to most of the tanks and healers leaving`
`06:53.08`	`ccox`	`guilds collapse all the time`
`06:53.10`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I'm sure there is, there's always other guilds recruiting`
`06:53.28`	`Amarande`	`and apparently, I asked a friend of mine why guilds are so exclusive about membership`
`06:53.33`	`ccox`	`(even if most of the ranked ones are stuck up or too immature for words)`
`06:53.36`	`Amarande`	`and it seems to be the case that if they're not, they will fail`
`06:53.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`once LK comes out, it'll all be moot`
`06:53.55`	`Amarande`	`eventually your guild chat gets spammed with "can I go?" till you break up due to exasperation`
`06:54.15`	`Amarande`	`unless you can keep membership down on a per class basis appropriately`
`06:54.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`i was going to cancel my account be cause my guild broke up and stoped raiding`
`06:54.39`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`what's your current raiding level at, Amarande?`
`06:54.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Amarande: the solution to "can i go" is.. "did you sign up?" :P`
`06:55.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`i logged on for the first time in two weeks tonight and got invited to do muru in SWP with another guild`
`06:55.23`	`ccox`	`is there a maximum number of members allowed in a guild?`
`06:55.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`500 used to be the limit`
`06:55.44`	`Amarande`	`Neuro: I'm told I'm good enough to hack kara, probably maggie and gruul also`
`06:55.44`	`ccox`	`sigh, most don't seem to be anywhere near that and yet "we're full"`
`06:56.01`	`Amarande`	`ccox: yeah, that's the problem, most guilds these days that are any good are full`
`06:56.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`most raiding guilds wont recruit more people than they need`
`06:56.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Amarande, then just find a kara guild`
`06:56.14`	`ccox`	`they're only full of themselves...`
`06:56.25`	`Amarande`	`and I might as well be unguilded or pay people to sign a charter than be in a failboat guild lol`
`06:56.31`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`no, ccox, they are full of that particular class`
`06:56.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ccox: many guilds choose to self-manage their membership size`
`06:56.35`	`Amarande`	`Arrow: yeah, that seems to be the case`
`06:56.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that's they're choice.. and there's nothing wrong with that.`
`06:56.43`	`Amarande`	`and I'm told that if you don't keep the population down like that`
`06:56.45`	`Amarande`	`if you try to be more friendly`
`06:57.05`	`Amarande`	`what happens is you will be blown apart by drama, much as a star over 130 solar masses or so will blow itself apart leaving no remnant whatever`
`06:57.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`its not even d rama so much as it is difficulty of raid scheduling (which, granted, can lead to drama)`
`06:57.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`depends on what you want, Amarande... if you want to progress, then you should just farm some badge gear and try and get into a BT guild`
`06:57.40`	`ccox`	`sigh, I've seen too many poorly run guilds, and so far no well run guilds`
`06:57.42`	`erikd`	`or it's a nicer way of saying your gear isn't up to par (dislaimer: i have no idea what your gear level is)`
`06:57.46`	`ccox`	`I am kinda getting tired of that`
`06:57.53`	`Amarande`	`erikd: Alvaerin of Quel'dorei, if you want to look at my gear`
`06:57.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`if you have 50some people who all want to raid, how do you organize that into 1-2 coherent raid groups that makes it fair for everyone? :\`
`06:58.06`	`Amarande`	`step 1: not enough room in the raids, chronically`
`06:58.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`preTBC my guild was like that, we let in a lot of friends and friendly people but then couldnt keep actual raiders around`
`06:58.12`	`Amarande`	`step 2: people complain that there is no room in the raids`
`06:58.17`	`Amarande`	`step 3: guild chat becomes a drama heap`
`06:58.26`	`Amarande`	`step 4: /wrists on the part of officers`
`06:58.46`	`Amarande`	`I'm not even really that concerned with progression beyond T4`
`06:58.58`	`Amarande`	`however, I need a guild that can get me through the rest of what I need for my Naaru title before it's too late`
`06:59.14`	`erikd`	`amarande: what's the progression of the guilds you're trying to get into?`
`06:59.15`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so join a low t4 guild`
`06:59.24`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`there should be tons of them of Quel'dorei`
`06:59.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`Amarande: what do you need?`
`06:59.36`	`Amarande`	`I haven't even looked yet, most people have told me that there is very little room for warlocks`
`06:59.40`	`Amarande`	`due to a glut of them on most servers`
`06:59.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`so true`
`06:59.51`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yes and no`
`06:59.55`	`Amarande`	`Arrow: HSH, HSV, H-Arc, HSL, Gruul, Kara, and Maggie`
`06:59.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`fucking patch 1.8`
`07:00.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`i blame it all on patch 1.8`
`07:00.11`	`Amarande`	`There are nine classes, warlocks are 1/6 of most server's population though`
`07:00.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`shrug a friend of mine has trouble getting locks for her raids`
`07:00.14`	`erikd`	`well, it's nice being a warlock because even though there are a ton of them you can also bring a ton of them to a raid without sacrificing anything`
`07:00.38`	`erikd`	`we bring 4-5 sometimes`
`07:00.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`Amarande: warriors hunters and rogues make up the most of any servers population though i think`
`07:00.46`	`erikd`	`one bt raid we had 7 :P`
`07:01.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and all the warriors are arms or fury =)`
`07:01.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thing is, you can't just say "theres a glut of x"`
`07:01.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`we had 8 shamans in BT once i think`
`07:01.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it's server, and even guild specific`
`07:01.25`	`*** join/#wowuidev Dekster (n=chatzill@netblock-68-183-40-143.dslextreme.com)`
`07:01.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`hell i think we had 8 priests once`
`07:01.36`	`erikd`	`there's also the flavor of the day`
`07:01.39`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yeah.. my old guild always had problems keeping good rogues and warlocks`
`07:01.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`the server almost blew up`
`07:01.43`	`Amarande`	`Our guild collapsed because of a marriage`
`07:01.51`	`Amarande`	`hubby wasn't comfortable with being in the guild`
`07:01.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`at one point, the top horde guild on our server had to have priest alts outside to buff people, because they had NONE.. while we had 6-7 regular priest raiders`
`07:01.53`	`Amarande`	`wife was our MT`
`07:01.54`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`usually it's the other way around`
`07:01.58`	`Amarande`	`wife left to found a new guild`
`07:02.02`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`the marriage falls apart because of the guild!`
`07:02.13`	`Amarande`	`about 10 people (out of the 80 or so folks we had) went to join the new one to help her out`
`07:02.20`	`Amarande`	`unfortunately, those folks are all our tanks, and all but 2 or 3 of the healers`
`07:02.31`	`Amarande`	`one of our remaining healers, who is an assistant GM is not happy either`
`07:02.35`	`Rabbitbunny`	`level a tank, easy mode.`
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`07:02.52`	`Amarande`	`I have a 61 tankadin, but that does nothing for my 70`
`07:02.57`	`Amarande`	`since I can't be on both at once :(`
`07:03.00`	`erikd`	`warrior tanks aren't easy to play`
`07:03.11`	`erikd`	`can't say about prot pallies`
`07:03.14`	`erikd`	`druids are easy mode :)`
`07:03.20`	`ReAn`	`grin`
`07:03.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol we had a couple that was in our guild preTBC, husband and his buddy (the buddy had been raiding with us the longest) transfered off to another server because they wanted to find a server with more world pvp, wife stayed`
`07:03.28`	`Amarande`	`so basically what we have left in our guild is about 70 people, of which 2 or 3 are healers and the others are a bunch of increasingly disgruntled DPS`
`07:03.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`husband and buddy later transfered back and i dont think theyve been in the same guild since`
`07:03.47`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`how can you not muster 25 people out of 70?`
`07:03.51`	`Rabbitbunny`	`rename guild DPS-For-Hire.`
`07:03.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`them and the wife that is`
`07:03.59`	`*** part/#wowuidev Kudane (n=Jim@MMOI/Administrator/Kudane)`
`07:04.36`	`Amarande`	`one of my problems is, I do know two really good guilds who would be just what I need`
`07:04.37`	`Amarande`	`except`
`07:04.44`	`Amarande`	`one is alliance, and the other is horde but on a pvp server`
`07:04.48`	`Amarande`	`I, of course, am horde on a pve server`
`07:04.53`	`Amarande`	`which means I can transfer into neither`
`07:04.54`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`hard for me to sympathize, my guild was doing Illidan when we fell apart`
`07:05.21`	`Amarande`	`now I get why people are so obsessed with beta invites, too`
`07:05.27`	`Amarande`	`apparently, if you want to go places in WoW`
`07:05.42`	`Amarande`	`you had better get into things when the current expansion is new as possible, beta experience if you can get it`
`07:05.47`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol, Amarande, you're talking to a channel where 99% of the members are in beta =)`
`07:05.48`	`ccox`	`yep`
`07:05.50`	`Amarande`	`otherwise, you will always be lagging in a race you can never catch up on`
`07:05.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`or should be`
`07:06.05`	`Amarande`	`is there any MMO that doesn't suffer from this defect?`
`07:06.11`	`smcn`	`Amarande: that's only a problem if you see it as a race :)`
`07:06.11`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`no`
`07:06.17`	`Amarande`	`where there are good players who came in at all times?`
`07:06.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`Amarande: all i can suggest is pugging the heroics and kara if possible, and then talk to the top guilds on your server and see if you can get in on a gruul then mag if they decide to randomly do it`
`07:06.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`what smcn said.`
`07:06.31`	`Amarande`	`or do almost all the good players come in in the first couple months, then almost everyone after that is bad?`
`07:06.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`a lot of guild will still randomly do gruuls when they can just because of DST`
`07:06.38`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`actually, Arrow has a good idea`
`07:06.50`	`Amarande`	`then again, 'bad' is relative`
`07:06.51`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`find an advanced guild, and run with their alts on off-days`
`07:07.05`	`Amarande`	`one needs experience, and by the time the later comers get it, it loses its value`
`07:07.15`	`Amarande`	`it's probably a good thing that WOTLK is the final xpac`
`07:07.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol, what makes you think it's the final one?`
`07:07.31`	`Amarande`	`that's what most folks have said`
`07:07.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`when has that ever been said?`
`07:07.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`are "most folks' blizzard?`
`07:07.43`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`EQ is STILL cranking them out, and it's long long long past it's prime`
`07:07.50`	`Amarande`	`ahh, EQ`
`07:07.55`	`Amarande`	`I tried that once, and found it fail`
`07:08.11`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`WoW is a money factory, they won't stop making expansions until it's detrimental to the brand`
`07:08.37`	`smcn`	`"most folks" think onyxia deep breaths more after every patch, or that you have a higher chance at baron's mount by running live strat first`
`07:08.42`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I'd be willing to bet that xpac #3 is already on the drawing board`
`07:08.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`rofl my friend is bitch about stupid network routing, he just tracerouted one of the servers in the boston datacenter`
`07:09.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`'why the fuck am I going from Boston to Woburn to Chartford to FUCKING CHICAGO to NYC to get back to Boston`
`07:09.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Neuro_Medivh: at the pace they've been putting them out, i guarantee it`
`07:09.28`	`Amarande`	`Arrowmaster: sounds like the routing must be designed by Yankees fans`
`07:09.38`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Not much past the drawing board, of course`
`07:09.42`	`*** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au)`
`07:09.57`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`but the third xpac should be in the early design stages I would guess`
`07:10.07`	`Amarande`	`in other words, top guilds will never come un-ossified then`
`07:10.14`	`Amarande`	`except in cases where new servers are created and transfers pile in`
`07:10.15`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`disagree`
`07:10.31`	`Amarande`	`which apparently actually doesn't help the game as much as Blizzard thinks it will`
`07:10.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`every expansion usually shows a turnover of guilds`
`07:10.46`	`Amarande`	`given the number of times that Tichondrius has been offered free transfers, and the number of times Tichondrius has mainly refused them :)`
`07:10.58`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`if you check the 'top guild' of each server pre-BC and post-BC, many have changed`
`07:11.10`	`Wobin`	`if the xpacs came a little faster than they have been, guilds won't dissolve quite so quickly`
`07:11.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`theres a reason for part of that`
`07:11.22`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`on Medivh, for example, the top guild pre-BC was <Fury>... fell apart hard after BC`
`07:11.44`	`Corrodias`	`"every expansion"`
`07:11.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`after naxx came out a lot of the servers that had been around since release really fucking sucked, the hardware was bad and they lagged a ton`
`07:12.03`	`Corrodias`	`100% of expansions have added outland, so far`
`07:12.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Corrodias, I was thinking back to EQ days as well`
`07:12.13`	`Corrodias`	`aah. nm.`
`07:12.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`when blizzard introduced paid server transfers a lot of the really top guilds moved to new lowpop servers`
`07:12.29`	`Amarande`	`Wobin: the flipside of that though is`
`07:12.33`	`Amarande`	`if the xpacs came a little faster`
`07:12.44`	`Amarande`	`people who didn't get on the boat early enough would NEVER be able to get an in`
`07:12.53`	`Amarande`	`because the good guilds would always be looking for people who were ready for the top end stuff`
`07:13.05`	`Amarande`	`and of course, later comers would be trying to get through the stuff that comes first`
`07:13.11`	`Wobin`	`there would always be guilds working up to that level though`
`07:13.17`	`Amarande`	`and hitting a brick wall when they get to the point when it takes a guild that's actually good`
`07:13.26`	`Wobin`	`but if all the 'good' guilds have reached top end raiding and have ossified, it's the end`
`07:13.48`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`well, Amarande, when LK comes out, the top-end BC gear goes out the window... it'll last till late 70s probably, but lvl 80 blues > Sunwell gear`
`07:13.50`	`Wobin`	`if the xpacs came out regularly enough, it would keep those guilds running before they hit the brick wall`
`07:13.51`	`Corrodias`	`i'd re-evaluate things when paying an extra $25-$225 just to play on a different realm starts sounding reasonable`
`07:13.52`	`Amarande`	`are there even that many people working on progression at this point though I wonder`
`07:14.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Amarande: I honestly thing you're seeing problems that arn't exactly there, just because you're a bit frustrated right now`
`07:14.13`	`Amarande`	`yeah, it'll be 75 to transfer my QD characters off server and it's beginning to seem attractive`
`07:14.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and i say that, because i've said the same things.`
`07:14.29`	`Amarande`	`or are people beginning to lose heart about bothering to raid at all, because it will be worthless too soon?`
`07:14.35`	`Amarande`	`kinda like when naxx came out`
`07:14.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`a lot of guilds are stuck on muru and want to clear SWP before the expansion`
`07:14.36`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yes`
`07:14.51`	`Amarande`	`Arrow: translation: utterly unwilling to help anyone else with anything`
`07:14.54`	`Amarande`	`right?`
`07:14.55`	`Corrodias`	`i know we quit raiding about 2 months before BC came out, but the release date was announced at that point`
`07:15.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`those not in SWP yet.... well probably not that concerned about progression`
`07:15.15`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`when LK comes out, I'll either reroll onto a new LK server or start a DK on Antonidas`
`07:15.18`	`Corrodias`	`took a break, got some other things done, you know`
`07:15.19`	`smcn`	`there are tons of guild for which early ssc/tk are still progression, if not kara`
`07:15.26`	`Amarande`	`also, Blizzard made a huge mistake to add badges to raids`
`07:15.34`	`Amarande`	`that was when 5-man went south hard, I think`
`07:15.53`	`Amarande`	`why do a heroic, when you can do kara and get five or six times as many badges`
`07:15.56`	`*** join/#wowuidev WobWork (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au)`
`07:15.58`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`no, the real mistake was making PVP gear as good as Raid gear`
`07:16.06`	`Amarande`	`yeah`
`07:16.08`	`WobWork`	`yes`
`07:16.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`^^`
`07:16.10`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`without the effort`
`07:16.16`	`Amarande`	`now the number of people willing to do heroics plummets`
`07:16.18`	`Corrodias`	`lol, if anything were LESS attractive than running another karazhan for no good reason, it would have been running another 2+ hour 5-member dungeon for a few paltry badges`
`07:16.27`	`Corrodias`	`but then again, that was all there was to DO at 70`
`07:16.30`	`Amarande`	`why do heroics, with their associated repair bills etc., and near-kara difficulty in some cases`
`07:16.33`	`ccox`	`yet some people can play casually, but not often enough to raid`
`07:16.46`	`WobWork`	`that's why I suggest that if the xpacs came each year as they had originally proposed...`
`07:16.51`	`Amarande`	`when you can grind honor, and the only repair bills you worry about then are dings and scratches since you don't lose 10% when you die`
`07:17.15`	`Amarande`	`and in hunters' cases your pet automatically becomes happy, so a hunter that always BGs never has to feed their pet`
`07:17.15`	`Corrodias`	`Amarande: you will never have everyone else willing to do what you want, in a multiplayer game, unless the game has only one thing to do`
`07:17.17`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Wob, technically, they still are holding to that schedule. They released BC in 07, and are hoping to release LK in 08 =)`
`07:17.18`	`WobWork`	`although the problem still remains`
`07:17.45`	`WobWork`	`'end game content' becomes obsolete each xpac`
`07:17.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Neuro_Medivh: heh, stretching it there. ;)`
`07:17.53`	`Corrodias`	`it sounds like you want to take a break from WoW. lots of stress, no reward?`
`07:18.05`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and while I'd like to see more xpacs, I remember EQ and their 1-a-year plan`
`07:18.06`	`Amarande`	`I've considered founding my own guild, but I don't know if there are that many people remaining in need of such on most servers for it to be viable`
`07:18.20`	`ccox`	`go spend time in AV and kill a bunch of gnomes - that tends to de-stress me`
`07:18.33`	`Corrodias`	`if you get frustrated just THINKING about the lack of people to play with, Amarande, guild leader is not the job for you i think`
`07:18.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ccox: eh, i've not really seen a correlation between "casual" and "raiding", i know plenty of people who raided, but only a couple days a week`
`07:18.37`	`WobWork`	`ccox: they make the cutest squeak when dying`
`07:18.47`	`WobWork`	`I did`
`07:18.49`	`Amarande`	`even the guild that splintered off mine, packed with tanks and healers, is still struggling population wise`
`07:18.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`why not join that guild then?`
`07:19.11`	`Corrodias`	`NHTS: we raided... 3 nights a week, for about 3 hours. good times. also had some weekend raids, but it was a separate team.`
`07:19.16`	`ccox`	`NighHawk - most guilds don't want people who aren't there twice a week every week`
`07:19.16`	`Amarande`	`we have a certain pride in our current guild`
`07:19.22`	`Amarande`	`it's the oldest guild still remaining on the server`
`07:19.28`	`ccox`	`(and my work schedule simply doesn't allow that all the time)`
`07:19.31`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`pride goeth before the fall`
`07:19.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`=)`
`07:19.37`	`Amarande`	`we regard it as something of a ... major loss for the server if it fails`
`07:19.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ccox: i disagree on "most", some certainly, but i know lots who don't care as long as you sign up properly :p`
`07:19.53`	`Amarande`	`ccox: yeah, that's another major issue of mine`
`07:20.00`	`ccox`	`Nighthawk - apparently I haven't met any of those guilds`
`07:20.01`	`Amarande`	`I work in a grocery store, with schedules that shift like the sands`
`07:20.04`	`Corrodias`	`Amarande: you can't hang onto the past in a game. it is only a game.`
`07:20.17`	`Amarande`	`almost always working both weekend evenings, and the only day that's for sure schedule wise each week is Wednesday`
`07:20.40`	`Amarande`	`It seems as if I might have to abandon my three weeks vacation, benefits, and ten years' seniority if I want to raid?`
`07:20.40`	`Keias`	`Corrodias: I have little league trophies from 14 years ago :D`
`07:20.45`	`Corrodias`	`don't let a sense of history keep you from having fun`
`07:20.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Corrodias: yeah, my last guild raided 3 hours a night, 4 nights a week, some people only came 1-2 nights, due to their work schedule or whatnot, they were always welcome though`
`07:21.02`	`Keias`	`same with mine NightHawkTheSane`
`07:21.15`	`Amarande`	`Is there room for any endgame other than PvP for people who work retail evenings?`
`07:21.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ccox: see, at least three guilds right there. :)`
`07:21.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`07:21.37`	`Amarande`	`dailies are not endgame, dagnabbit`
`07:21.42`	`smcn`	`amarande: play on oceanic servers? :P`
`07:21.47`	`Corrodias`	`Amarande: we also had a "sub list" for when main-team raiders could not show up`
`07:22.00`	`Amarande`	`actually, it is a sense of history that's got me in a knot`
`07:22.06`	`Corrodias`	`anybody who couldn't commit to being there almost every day could just sign up to sub on days they COULD be there`
`07:22.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Amarande: the trick is just finding a guild that will work with your scheudle, even a shifting one :P`
`07:22.16`	`Amarande`	`because I have the feeling that Champion of the Naaru and Hand of A'dal may be the last titles of their kind`
`07:22.23`	`Amarande`	`the last chance to earn something that will stay with you and not be replaced`
`07:22.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`seriously two of the raiders in my old guild, one was a latenight manager at a walmart and the other was a cop that worked the nightshift a lot`
`07:22.46`	`Corrodias`	`until you move on to another game... then they may as well have never existed >_>`
`07:22.48`	`Amarande`	`everything else, will be gettable by any trade chat troll who puts enough hours in`
`07:23.28`	`Corrodias`	`wanting to have something rare gives you a goal, and i won't try to discourage you from attaining it if that's what you want`
`07:23.34`	`Corrodias`	`just make sure it IS what you want`
`07:23.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`the cops brother used to raid with us preTBC but not much afterwards since he went into the military, but before that he was a paramedic`
`07:23.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Amarande: ... it's an mmog, it's built on people getting things for putting in lots of time. if that bothers you, you need to get out of mmogs. ;)`
`07:23.45`	`Amarande`	`speaking of which, I'm pissed off about the fact that one of Q'D's resident trade chat trolls managed to get accepted by a major raid guild there`
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`07:23.58`	`Amarande`	`apparently, several members of said raid guild are quizzical about how he got accepted, too :\|`
`07:24.09`	`Corrodias`	`because he talks in trade chat?`
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`07:24.37`	`Corrodias`	`i don't think anybody took it all that seriously on ET`
`07:24.58`	`Amarande`	`basically, will WOTLK have its share of such rarities?`
`07:25.10`	`Amarande`	`my worry is that if it's indeed the last expansion, then anything that comes out with it remains attainable, permanently`
`07:25.32`	`Amarande`	`eventually, 'Slayer of Arthas' or whatever becomes as commonplace as 'of the Shattered Sun' which is now a waste of perfectly good gold`
`07:25.32`	`Corrodias`	`you want to have things other people can't, but what fun is that for them?`
`07:25.45`	`Amarande`	`I wanted to have something that marked me as actually being someone who was there for BC`
`07:25.58`	`Amarande`	`and only the Naaru and A'dal titles serve that function, as far as I can tell`
`07:26.02`	`Amarande`	`or the ZA bear mount`
`07:26.07`	`Amarande`	`but I'd have an easier time getting Naaru I think :)`
`07:26.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`hehe`
`07:26.23`	`Corrodias`	`any of the blizzard pets do, of course`
`07:26.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats why i still have my T1 and T2 sets`
`07:26.40`	`Amarande`	`I did get a competitor's tabard, but that's kinda common`
`07:26.57`	`Corrodias`	`although i don't see what would stop people from buying BC and raiding at 70 to get their title before adding WOLTSKI (whatever) and moving on`
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`07:27.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`Corrodias: dont think its possible`
`07:27.20`	`Corrodias`	`except, you know, having a life, even in-game`
`07:27.28`	`Amarande`	`Corrodias: understanding seems to be that once 3.0.1 releases, the titles will sunset`
`07:27.37`	`Amarande`	`whether or not you ding 71 or buy WOTLK`
`07:27.56`	`Corrodias`	`oh? never mind, this is something they have changed since i stopped paying attention. back then, the plan was just "nobody over 70 can get it."`
`07:28.09`	`Amarande`	`Corrodias: which leads to the following scenario`
`07:28.22`	`Amarande`	`people farm the title by deliberately refusing to ding 71, and having 80 raids run them`
`07:28.35`	`Amarande`	`and I'm pretty sure that at least for Naaru there's nothing else stopping that`
`07:28.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`imho they should make those titles and any of the titles from achievements be account wide unlocks`
`07:28.43`	`Corrodias`	`i don't think i should care`
`07:28.46`	`Amarande`	`since if you need almost 2,000,000 exp for 71`
`07:28.59`	`Amarande`	`through taking careful care, you can avoid dinging that easily`
`07:29.19`	`Amarande`	`just make sure that the character to get the title spends most of their raid time dead except as needed to be able to loot the appropriate bosses`
`07:29.20`	`Corrodias`	`so somebody gets a title... but i am not a competetive person. i don't mind when other people have things.`
`07:29.42`	`Corrodias`	`i never liked the idea of titles anyway, myself`
`07:29.44`	`Amarande`	`however, without earning a BC-specific title`
`07:29.50`	`Amarande`	`I guess I'm wondering, what was the point of playing during BC at all`
`07:29.56`	`doow`	`haha`
`07:29.57`	`Amarande`	`and not just waiting till Wrath to start at all?`
`07:30.00`	`Corrodias`	`if you're not having fun, there IS no point`
`07:30.04`	`Corrodias`	`if you're having fun, THAT is the point`
`07:30.10`	`Amarande`	`I have fun when I'm actually doing instance runs`
`07:30.23`	`Rabbitbunny`	`vanity pets, multi-boxing.`
`07:30.24`	`Amarande`	`when I'm tearing my hair out trying to figure out where my next instance group is coming from, that's the not fun part`
`07:30.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`i have fun showing off my hand of adal title`
`07:30.33`	`Corrodias`	`well, maybe it's time for a break. :)`
`07:30.33`	`Rabbitbunny`	`cool stuff others don't have, no drama.`
`07:30.55`	`Amarande`	`well, yeah, my pally has both LBRS quest mini pets :)`
`07:30.58`	`smcn`	`Amarande: what's the point of living? the universe is going to collapse on itself eventually anyways, even if we invented a device that helps the world for billions of years past our lifetime eventually the universe will cease to exist`
`07:31.04`	`Amarande`	`smcn: wrong`
`07:31.11`	`Amarande`	`the universe is going to infinitely expand into nothingness :D`
`07:31.16`	`Corrodias`	`you cannot escape entropy, either way`
`07:31.19`	`Corrodias`	`it will be dead.`
`07:31.23`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that hasn't been determined, Amarande`
`07:31.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`if omega > 1, then it'll collapse`
`07:31.41`	`Corrodias`	`we played regular WoW before BC for the same reason people played BC`
`07:31.59`	`Corrodias`	`>>> test`
`07:32.01`	`ccox`	`and if our understanding of physics isn't complete, we ain't got a clue what will happen`
`07:32.28`	`ccox`	`(and our understanding of physics is far from complete)`
`07:32.56`	`Corrodias`	`lua> test`
`07:32.56`	`lua_bot`	`Corrodias: nil`
`07:33.04`	`Corrodias`	`lua> omega = 2`
`07:33.05`	`lua_bot`	`Corrodias: No output`
`07:33.12`	`Corrodias`	`Neuro_Medivh: i have fixed the universe.`
`07:33.16`	`doow`	`speaking of entropy and the death of the universe I can not recommend this short story by asimov enough http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html`
`07:33.31`	`doow`	`if you haven't read it, do it =)`
`07:33.41`	`Corrodias`	`i remember that story. quite cute.`
`07:34.57`	`doow`	`asimov thought it was his best SF story`
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`07:45.35`	`smcn`	`i'm stumped. why would a valid coroutine(type() confirms it) be returning nil with coroutine.status()?`
`07:46.32`	`smcn`	`oh wait, it's not`
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`08:08.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`"in a perfect world, the mentally handicapped will lead the blind"`
`08:09.57`	`Corrodias`	`wouldn't that be more of a... badly-navigated world?`
`08:10.20`	`doow`	`maybe it can work because it's a perfect world?`
`08:10.36`	`doow`	`even though it sounds stupid in our world`
`08:10.55`	`Elkano`	`well, in a perfect world those wouldn't exist most likely`
`08:16.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`~wtf methylenedioxymethamphetamine`
`08:16.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`you fail at being happy purl`
`08:31.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.explosm.net/comics/1087/ >.<`
`08:53.20`	`Punkie`	`greetings`
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`09:13.53`	`ReAn`	`tekkub`
`09:13.56`	`ReAn`	`you rock btw`
`09:16.20`	`smcn`	`[02:04am] *** Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) has left IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))`
`09:16.30`	`smcn`	`he will never hear of your admiration!`
`09:16.32`	`ReAn`	`he/she still rocks`
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`09:37.42`	`Antiarc`	`I just committed Flippy`
`09:37.44`	`Antiarc`	`You all should try it out`
`09:37.47`	`Antiarc`	`It's pretty awesome.`
`09:38.06`	`zenzio`	`Flippy?`
`09:38.11`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_082508_210848.jpg <-- Flippy`
`09:38.47`	`Antiarc`	`It's like MS Word's Clippy`
`09:38.50`	`Antiarc`	`Except for WoW`
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`09:39.31`	`ReAn`	`that is win`
`09:41.51`	`Antiarc`	`Comes complete with hot draenei, too`
`09:42.29`	`zenzio`	`does it help you make up excuses when you lose a duel, or cause a wipe?`
`09:42.52`	`Antiarc`	`It will eventually`
`09:43.04`	`Antiarc`	`Right now it's just animated characters`
`09:43.15`	`Antiarc`	`But the idea's that it become a helper for various stupid crap`
`09:43.37`	`Antiarc`	`You seem to have ninjaed a boss drop! May I offer some handy excuses?`
`09:44.19`	`zenzio`	`"It looks like you're trying to hit on a blood elf. You should use some more cheesy lines."`
`09:44.33`	`Antiarc`	`exactly`
`09:44.58`	`Antiarc`	`Could have a different set of lines for a /flirt with any given race`
`09:45.12`	`Antiarc`	`It could become extremely amusing`
`09:45.47`	`Wobin`	`"You look like a warlock. Would you like help emotapping?"`
`09:46.33`	`Antiarc`	`Hm, a warlock seems to have owned you. Would you like to a) Release Spirit b) Bitch about warlocks`
`09:47.19`	`zenzio`	`c) Click here to post on the general forum`
`09:49.11`	`ReAn`	`d) delete your character and roll a warlock`
`09:49.51`	`Wobin`	`"You appear to be a paladin in combat. Would you like to a) Bubble, b) Bubble, or c) Bubble?"`
`09:50.42`	`ReAn`	`"You seem to be a paladin and your hearthstone is on cool. Click here to disable your ethernet device."`
`09:51.27`	`Antiarc`	`As you all see`
`09:51.30`	`Antiarc`	`The potential is endless.`
`09:51.40`	`zenzio`	`You appear to be retribution spec. Do you want directions to a talent resetter?`
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`10:12.51`	`Maldivia`	`hmm`
`10:14.39`	`Maldivia`	`grumble`
`10:16.09`	`haste`	`rumble`
`10:16.44`	`leethal`	`fumble`
`10:16.54`	`leethal`	`</inappropriatejokejoiningbyanoneregularattendeeinthisircchannel>`
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`10:18.09`	`Maldivia`	`just bitching about latest version of NoScript`
`10:19.44`	`zenzio`	`what about it?`
`10:20.37`	`Maldivia`	`the XSS protection is interfering with wow forums`
`10:20.59`	`zenzio`	`really? That's odd`
`10:21.16`	`Maldivia`	`yeah, because the forums goes from http to https sometimes`
`10:21.21`	`zenzio`	`aha`
`10:21.23`	`Maldivia`	`or well, back and forth`
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`10:43.52`	`Fisker-`	`haste i will find you!`
`10:44.46`	`haste`	`k`
`10:45.00`	`Fisker-`	`be afraid`
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`10:46.21`	`Fisker-`	`haha`
`10:46.22`	`Fisker-`	`It was a complicated matter and there seemed to be no solution, until the designer known only as "the brain", realized that we simply need to add Inscription trainers into the major cities of Azeroth as well.`
`10:46.24`	`Fisker-`	`:DDD`
`10:46.30`	`Fisker-`	`some people are idiots sometimes`
`10:46.46`	`Fisker-`	`not me of course`
`10:47.47`	`zenzio`	`yeah, you never cease`
`10:47.50`	`zenzio`	`;)`
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`11:15.50`	`p3lim`	`hm gotta find a new tooltip addon for the expansion`
`11:17.54`	`haste`	`tinytip still works! D:`
`11:18.05`	`haste`	`at least the version I use`
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`11:19.02`	`p3lim`	`been using TipTac, but I think Aezay has quit developing it`
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`11:20.32`	`Lyn_`	`:<`
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`11:34.53`	`p3lim`	`stupid cvars`
`11:34.59`	`p3lim`	`arguments are bugged or something`
`11:35.35`	`p3lim`	`using CVAR_UPDATE i want to get a hold on the cvar 'showClock'`
`11:35.51`	`p3lim`	`(name is arg1) if(name == 'showClock') then aint working`
`11:36.50`	`p3lim`	`but for some reason, ~= works`
`11:37.11`	`zenzio`	`are you positive the cvar is being changed, but the event not firing?`
`11:37.37`	`zenzio`	`I think I hooked SetCVar when I was having trouble getting the event, not sure if they all fire it or not... but at least that worked for me`
`11:38.10`	`Cide`	`p3lim: you're obviously doing it wrong`
`11:38.12`	`foxlit`	`But hey`
`11:38.19`	`foxlit`	`Why not just GetCVar and save yourself the trouble?`
`11:38.43`	`p3lim`	`i do use GetCVar too`
`11:38.44`	`zenzio`	`I'm guessing he's respoding to when the setting is being changed`
`11:38.48`	`p3lim`	`yep`
`11:39.05`	`Cide`	`if (name.lower() == "showclock") ?`
`11:39.11`	`foxlit`	`:`
`11:39.18`	`foxlit`	`zenzio: which doesn't preclude using GetCVar to figure out if it has :)`
`11:39.54`	`zenzio`	`foxlit: no, but you'd have to check every so often then, which is a philosophy I dislike when there are ways of detecting when the value changes`
`11:40.04`	`foxlit`	`zenzio: check on the event.`
`11:40.42`	`zenzio`	`if you can rely on GetCVar returning the updated value then (which I'd hope), then of course, that's an easy solution`
`11:41.04`	`p3lim`	`event is running atleast`
`11:41.18`	`p3lim`	`just got errors`
`11:41.56`	`p3lim`	`Cide: didnt do it`
`11:42.08`	`Cide`	`you're doing it wrong`
`11:42.35`	`p3lim`	`well yeah I know that already`
`11:44.21`	`cbreak`	`name.lower?`
`11:44.36`	`cbreak`	`even if that method is set on strings, would you not have to use : instead of .?`
`11:44.49`	`Cide`	`ya, my bad`
`11:45.07`	`Cide`	`>>> ("FOO"):lower()`
`11:45.08`	`Cide`	`Cide: "foo"`
`11:45.19`	`p3lim`	`yeah i changed that right away, but that still didnt do it`
`11:46.22`	`cbreak`	`did you try to print what gets passed to the event?`
`11:46.57`	`krka`	`why, that sounds almost like debugging. herecy!`
`11:47.01`	`Cide`	`^`
`11:48.58`	`p3lim`	`wth, SHOW_CLOCK passed through`
`11:50.36`	`foxlit`	`Silly thing, invalidate already.`
`11:52.34`	`p3lim`	`there we go`
`11:55.39`	`Cide`	`way to miss an underscore`
`11:56.26`	`p3lim`	`:p`
`11:59.45`	`krka`	`debug output FTW`
`12:07.41`	`foxlit`	`if build == 8820 thenbody = body:gsub("(control:CallMethod%b());?", "-- $1\n");end`
`12:08.14`	`foxlit`	`I wonder if that's prudent`
`12:14.34`	`cbreak`	`I don't think so`
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`12:16.11`	`cbreak`	`but you can get toc resolution info with local toc = select(4, GetBuildInfo());`
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`12:20.26`	`Wobin`	`http://www.videosift.com/video/Youve-Been-Barack-Rolld`
`12:20.34`	`p3lim`	`local wotlk = select(4, GetBuildInfo()) >= 3e4`
`12:20.55`	`foxlit`	`I object!`
`12:21.09`	`foxlit`	`wotlk = math.floor(select(4,GetBuildInfo())/10000) ~= 3`
`12:21.16`	`foxlit`	`s/~/=/`
`12:23.00`	`foxlit`	`You also missed the point -- that build check is intended to stop my SecureHandler code from calling :CallMethod on the current beta build.`
`12:23.24`	`krka`	`wotlk = tostring(select(4,GetBuildInfo())):sub(1,1)=='3'`
`12:24.12`	`foxlit`	`krka: will throw an error`
`12:24.29`	`krka`	`hm really?`
`12:24.42`	`Cide`	`tostring only accepts 1 param`
`12:24.57`	`Cide`	`tostring((select(4, GetBuildInfo()))):sub(1,1)=='3'`
`12:25.09`	`foxlit`	`actually, nevermind me, it won't`
`12:25.18`	`Cide`	`>>> tostring(1, 2)`
`12:25.18`	`Cide`	`Cide: "1"`
`12:25.19`	`Cide`	`nope`
`12:25.21`	`krka`	`what are you smoking? O_o`
`12:25.22`	`Cide`	`krka wins`
`12:25.42`	`foxlit`	`I simply ignored the first part and thought you were calling :sub on the integer return`
`12:26.04`	`foxlit`	`But hey`
`12:26.13`	`foxlit`	`GetBuildInfo():sub(1,1) == '3' ?`
`12:26.26`	`Cide`	`integer?`
`12:26.30`	`foxlit`	`no`
`12:26.39`	`foxlit`	`string, in this case`
`12:27.06`	`foxlit`	`If you were paranoid, you could even do :sub(1,2) and compare to '3.'`
`12:27.45`	`krka`	`btw i am not sure how foxlits version is better than p3lims`
`12:27.49`	`krka`	`did i miss something?`
`12:28.00`	`Cide`	`no, he's being stupid`
`12:34.55`	`p3lim`	`its haste's tho'`
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`12:43.20`	`Josh_Borke`	`morning`
`12:44.11`	`p3lim`	`gmornin`
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`12:51.13`	`zenzio`	`why hello here peppy`
`12:51.18`	`zenzio`	`or there...`
`12:51.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm here, so hello here works fine.`
`12:52.52`	`batrick`	`Anyone know if !Swatter was updated to 3.0?`
`12:52.58`	`batrick`	`(I can't find it)`
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`13:03.50`	`batrick`	`nvm`
`13:04.14`	Funkeh`	`We're ratings removed from wowi`
`13:04.38`	Funkeh`	`WEre*`
`13:07.52`	`foxlit`	`commented out, at least`
`13:08.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`hummy hum hold music`
`13:08.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I thought that it was the HELP DESK who puts people on hold. They should not call me for support and then put me on hold. HELLO.`
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`13:09.08`	`zenzio`	`"oh I'll hold the line... around your neck"`
`13:09.14`	`Wobin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:09.21`	`Wobin`	`or rather just hang up`
`13:09.25`	`Wobin`	`and say you lost connection`
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`13:11.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I need a headset for my phone. goes to poke at the office order catalog`
`13:12.26`	`cbreak`	`this projecteuler is strangely addictive`
`13:12.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`This what ?`
`13:13.05`	`cbreak`	`this: http://projecteuler.net/ (was posted here yesterday I think)`
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`13:17.25`	`Wobin`	`oho`
`13:17.31`	`Wobin`	`new Asus`
`13:17.39`	`Wobin`	`successor to the eeepc`
`13:17.51`	`Wobin`	`http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogeee.net%2F2008%2F08%2F22%2Fexclu-asustek-n10-le-netbook-ultime%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=fr&tl=en`
`13:18.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh good... is the keyboard made for something other than a mouse to type on? Because I have teeny hands and an eemachine is too bloody damn small`
`13:18.11`	`Shirik`	`cbreak: Blame Cide`
`13:18.21`	`Cide`	`haha, yep`
`13:18.29`	`Wobin`	`Actually, the 1000D keyboard is pretty good`
`13:18.43`	`Wobin`	`although, if you look at that article, the up arrow is half of the shift key`
`13:18.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, I adore translations! I should go read it in French to challenge myself.`
`13:18.47`	`Wobin`	`and that -always- throws me`
`13:18.52`	`wereHamster`	`the translation is quite readable`
`13:19.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It is, but it reminds me what I'm missing in the original.`
`13:19.11`	`Wobin`	`but the size of the keyboard is about 95% the size of a normal keyboar`
`13:19.12`	`Shirik`	`Wobin: That is an.... extremely good translation`
`13:19.20`	`Wobin`	`Yeah, I'm impressed =)`
`13:19.29`	`wereHamster`	`Shirik: you speak french?`
`13:19.30`	`Shirik`	`there's a few quirks but it's almost indistinguishable`
`13:19.38`	`foxlit`	`"Still, the same sources announced price more challenging this machine."`
`13:19.39`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmmm, gonna move away from the name flexbar I think`
`13:19.44`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone know any fun names for a button mod ?`
`13:19.51`	`Shirik`	`wereHamster: Haven't for a few years, but that wasn't really what I was referring to`
`13:19.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And there's always an up arrow on the shift key.`
`13:19.57`	`Shirik`	`I really meant how readable it was`
`13:20.00`	`foxlit`	`^ complete disaster as far as translation goes`
`13:20.08`	`Wobin`	`Lopeppeppy: No I mean the arrow keys`
`13:20.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Wobin: I think maybe I haven't seen the same picture you're looking at then!`
`13:20.30`	`Shirik`	`lol ok foxlit`
`13:20.32`	`Shirik`	`there's a few problems`
`13:20.45`	`Shirik`	`but you can't expect it to be perfect :P`
`13:20.55`	`Wobin`	`See how the up arrow is right next to the shift key?`
`13:21.01`	`foxlit`	`I expect it to not mess up the subject-verb-object pattern :)`
`13:21.04`	`Wobin`	`I'm more used to the shift key being twice the width`
`13:21.19`	`Wobin`	`so every time I try to hit it, I accidentally hit the up button instead`
`13:21.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ah, I see Wobin. nod One of the problems of a smaller keyboard is going to naturally be smaller keys, darlin'.`
`13:22.00`	`Wobin`	`No, really? =)`
`13:22.09`	`Wobin`	`well gosh darnit`
`13:22.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik, exactly. But now I'm hungry for French again. I can't audit classes here until the spring semester either!`
`13:22.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Wobin, ya rly. serious Peppy nod`
`13:22.34`	`Shirik`	`someone here is french`
`13:22.35`	`Wobin`	`but overall, the size of the keyboard is pretty good`
`13:22.36`	`Shirik`	`I forget who`
`13:22.41`	`Wobin`	`Boui?`
`13:22.54`	`Wobin`	`Bouvi`
`13:23.01`	`Shirik`	`not who I was thinking of, if he is`
`13:23.04`	`Bouvi`	`hmmm whzt?`
`13:23.12`	`foxlit`	`quick, let's lure them out with the promise of some... cheese?`
`13:23.12`	`Wobin`	`Oh maybe not the right nick then`
`13:23.25`	`Shirik`	`but wereHamster: I should point out that that's why my nick says Shirik\|Ecole periodically :)`
`13:23.27`	`Bouvi`	`I am so not french. Maybe fried :)`
`13:23.31`	`Wobin`	`Bibi`
`13:23.41`	`Shirik`	`~x fr en école`
`13:23.53`	`zenzio`	`Shirik: and here I thought you had just misspelt e-coli`
`13:23.54`	`Wobin`	`I was thinking of Boubouille`
`13:23.58`	`Shirik`	`~kill zenzio`
`13:23.59`	`purl`	`ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized meson gun at zenzio`
`13:24.05`	`cncfanatics`	`<--- french`
`13:24.17`	`Shirik`	`I want to say it started with a w`
`13:24.23`	`Shirik`	`but I don't think it was Wobin or wereHamster`
`13:24.32`	`Wobin`	`Nyet`
`13:24.48`	`foxlit`	`Net, surely :)`
`13:24.59`	`Wobin`	`Non parlayz vouz francase`
`13:25.06`	`Shirik`	`uh`
`13:25.08`	`Shirik`	`wow...`
`13:25.14`	`Shirik`	`no`
`13:25.14`	`Shirik`	`:P`
`13:25.41`	`Shirik`	`"Je ne parle pas francais"`
`13:25.47`	`Wobin`	`I did a semester of it way back in highschool`
`13:25.59`	`Wobin`	`but my french teacher freaked me out so much I didn't learn much`
`13:26.03`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`13:26.06`	`zenzio`	`a semester? I had it for five years and I still didn't pay enough attention to learn much`
`13:26.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I had 6 years, loved it.... but that was so long ago I need to start over. I'm looking forward to it.`
`13:26.39`	`Wobin`	`I remember him walking into our German class, and announcing out of the blue "I need a boy!"`
`13:26.45`	`Wobin`	`><`
`13:26.53`	`zenzio`	`I'm more interested in different kinds of French`
`13:26.53`	`cncfanatics`	`rofl`
`13:26.58`	`cncfanatics`	`<3 french`
`13:27.00`	`Wobin`	`Then coming back 10 minutes later saying "It wasn't enough. I need another one!"`
`13:27.04`	`cncfanatics`	`Lopeppeppy: its the most fun language in the world tbh`
`13:27.14`	`Wobin`	`Scary scary man`
`13:27.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`zenzio. poke`
`13:27.30`	`zenzio`	`Lopeppeppy: excuse me for liking fries`
`13:27.36`	`Wobin`	`FREEDOM FRIES`
`13:27.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`cncfanatics, yuppers.`
`13:27.46`	`zenzio`	`you're not even American Wobin`
`13:27.55`	`Wobin`	`Thank god`
`13:28.13`	`cncfanatics`	`btw, anyone good at making names ? I need a good name for a bar mod :) (moving away from "flexbar")`
`13:28.15`	`zenzio`	`so don't lower yourself to their level by calling them "freedom fries"`
`13:28.30`	`Wobin`	`pomme de frite?`
`13:28.48`	`zenzio`	`minus the "de" and it's what we call them here`
`13:29.01`	`Wobin`	`cncfanatics: I'd suggest some, but most of the good puns are already taken =)`
`13:29.03`	`zenzio`	`cncfanatics: why change name?`
`13:29.43`	`cncfanatics`	`zenzio: the name is old, and not really suitable anymore, I'm working on something totaly different from the old flexbar`
`13:29.57`	`foxlit`	`unflexbar!`
`13:30.05`	`cncfanatics`	`~lart foxlit`
`13:30.05`	`purl`	`crushes foxlit with a full height scsi disk`
`13:30.13`	`foxlit`	`so much hate :(`
`13:30.22`	`cncfanatics`	`hey, that was my laptop's disk !!! give back`
`13:30.22`	`Wobin`	`barista`
`13:30.34`	`Wobin`	`You could use coffee style puns`
`13:30.52`	`zenzio`	`staticpole`
`13:30.57`	`cncfanatics`	`any puns with a swiss knife ? :p`
`13:31.06`	`Wobin`	`BarNone?`
`13:31.09`	`zenzio`	`FlexGyver`
`13:31.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Use the Damn Buttons and Shut Up -- UDBSU for short. :)`
`13:31.54`	`cncfanatics`	`zenzio: no flex please :p`
`13:32.48`	`zenzio`	`WIDET - "Whoa, I didn't expect that"`
`13:33.23`	`foxlit`	`Insert a G in it`
`13:33.29`	`Shirik`	`agree`
`13:33.40`	`cncfanatics`	`hmm, that name wouldn't be bad with a G stuffed in there`
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`13:35.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`"Whoa, I don't generally expect turtles."`
`13:35.37`	`zenzio`	`No-one expects ninja turtles!`
`13:35.43`	`cncfanatics`	`lol`
`13:35.53`	`Shirik`	`only Lopeppeppy....`
`13:35.59`	`cncfanatics`	`sounds slightly forced :p`
`13:36.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`What? laugh Of course it is!`
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`13:36.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Well, I decided to give everyone this! (to replace flexbar). WIDGET`
`13:37.07`	`zenzio`	`hah`
`13:38.44`	`haste`	`foxlit: getbuildinfo returns number for TOC`
`13:39.33`	`Cide`	`but string for version?`
`13:39.36`	`foxlit`	`Which isn't exactly news.`
`13:39.39`	`cncfanatics`	`I love the name widget, need something better for it to stand for though`
`13:39.45`	`foxlit`	`Did I say something to contradict that? :)`
`13:39.53`	`haste`	`seemed like it with all the == '3' :p`
`13:40.34`	`foxlit`	`the '3' in mine would be from the first return value - i.e. "3.0.1" :)`
`13:41.01`	`Cide`	`what if you play vanilla? :P`
`13:41.08`	`haste`	`still odd to not use the TOC version :p`
`13:41.23`	`Cide`	`I suppose they get the same ui though`
`13:41.26`	`foxlit`	`the '3' in krka's would be from tostring()'ing the interface version.`
`13:45.40`	`malreth`	`dungeons and dragons tiny adventures facebook app is curiously fun to play`
`13:45.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I've had a few people try to recruit me into that....`
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`14:22.11`	`Elkano`	`wowi server down?`
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`14:22.59`	`copystring`	`looks like it`
`14:24.31`	`Bouvi`	`Yep confirmed down`
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`14:29.58`	`p3lim`	`same here`
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`14:36.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Morning Beladona.`
`14:36.42`	`Beladona`	`morning`
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`14:48.04`	`foxlit`	`sigh`
`14:48.19`	`foxlit`	`The crafting sync on beta servers is a monster that just keeps on eating ore`
`14:49.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`sync?`
`14:50.43`	`foxlit`	`Crafting isn't atomic as far as saving state goes`
`14:50.57`	`foxlit`	`You may end up in a situation where you craft something, then get disconnected / desynced`
`14:51.06`	`zenzelezz`	`it can eat materials without product?`
`14:51.14`	`foxlit`	`Upon logging back in, you end up with your product, but no gained skill points`
`14:51.26`	`zenzelezz`	`hm`
`14:51.39`	`foxlit`	`Inventory operations are atomic, skill gain isn't`
`14:52.07`	`foxlit`	`(so you'll never end up without the crafting product - it's just that, for the majority of crafting content, the actual desired product is a skill point, rather than the crafted product)`
`14:53.28`	`foxlit`	`It could actually be mitigated relatively easily, but I'm guessing there's something more sinister going on with beta servers that would never occur on live.`
`14:54.06`	`foxlit`	`(store new skill value in the <Made by> tag, scan inventory on log in.`
`14:54.21`	`zenzelezz`	`well, it did often seem to me on live that skill points arrived "late", like a half-second/second after the item`
`14:54.38`	`foxlit`	`I'm losing them in chunks, however`
`14:55.03`	`foxlit`	`It's the case of crafting 5 things, getting 5 skill points, getting disconnected, ending up with 5 things and no points.`
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`14:56.03`	`foxlit`	`replace 5 with any number of things you may have crafted at a time`
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`14:56.57`	`Bouvi`	`I am feeling jittery without my WoWi`
`14:57.53`	`zenzelezz`	`this is what happens when Cairenn sleeps`
`14:58.57`	`Seerah`	`is wowi down?`
`14:59.04`	`Bouvi`	`GAH it is contagious. My scuba site is now down too....`
`14:59.11`	`Bouvi`	`Seerah: yes`
`14:59.44`	`Seerah`	`that technical stuff is for Dolby (ping)`
`15:00.19`	`Seerah`	`or maybe Bouvi's just breaking the internet ;)`
`15:00.32`	`Bouvi`	`I am telling you it is a conspiracy to make me work. First WoWi, then the scubaboard what is next?? Where is the humanity!!!`
`15:02.10`	`Seerah`	`I'm sure it wasn't a rush of people to download my new mod I put up last night that crashed it :P`
`15:02.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Totally`
`15:03.08`	`Bouvi`	`I did notice that Seerah tried to blame me, when it fact they are to blame!! Conspiracy I tell you!!!`
`15:03.42`	`Seerah`	`see? peppy knows my stuff doesn't draw that attention. we must be back to bouvi :P`
`15:04.07`	`Bouvi`	`It wasn't me, it was the one armed man!!`
`15:04.29`	`zenzelezz`	`the one eyed, one armed, one legged man?`
`15:04.44`	`Bouvi`	`No I think he just had one arm.`
`15:04.46`	`Seerah`	`did you chop him in half?!?`
`15:05.00`	`zenzelezz`	`Look out, he's got a leg!`
`15:05.16`	`Bouvi`	`Raise your hand if you got the reference to The Fugitive. If not I will crawl back under my OLD rock.`
`15:05.17`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmm, I still lack a good name, any more suggestions Lopeppeppy ? I'd need a few more :p`
`15:05.37`	`zenzelezz`	`Bouvi: I did; but you can't have seen the Leslie Nielsen parody of that movie`
`15:06.00`	`Bouvi`	`Fraid not. I feel better now. Still need my forums fix.`
`15:06.38`	`p3lim`	`any news on wowi?`
`15:07.07`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120901/`
`15:07.34`	`Cide`	`lua> 1`
`15:07.35`	`lua_bot`	`Cide: 1`
`15:08.13`	`Seerah`	`one of these days, Cide, you won't need lua_bot to tell you that 1 returns 1 ;)`
`15:08.20`	`Cide`	`I was checking if it was in here :P`
`15:08.23`	`Bouvi`	`As of 11:07:51 WoWi is still down. The president is on the verge of declaring a national emergency.`
`15:09.04`	`Seerah`	`the other sites on the network are up. I'm sure it's something simple like the database needing restarted. Dolby's probably working, but I did ping him in the staff channel, too`
`15:09.17`	`p3lim`	`haste: could you add oUF.colors.dead ?`
`15:09.28`	`haste`	`why?`
`15:09.28`	`Cide`	`lua> function f(n) if n == 1 return 1 else return n*f(n-1) end end function P(n,r) return f(n)/f(n-r) end return P(5, 2)`
`15:09.29`	`lua_bot`	`Cide: luabot:1: 'then' expected near 'return'`
`15:09.39`	`Cide`	`lua> function f(n) if n == 1 then return 1 else return n*f(n-1) end end function P(n,r) return f(n)/f(n-r) end return P(5, 2)`
`15:09.40`	`lua_bot`	`Cide: 20`
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`15:10.00`	`Cide`	`--> print(1)`
`15:10.01`	`batbot`	`Cide: 1`
`15:10.09`	`p3lim`	`cause id like it, up to you if you wanna add it or not`
`15:10.11`	`p3lim`	`im just asking :)`
`15:10.31`	`Cide`	`--> function fact(n) if n == 1 then return 1 else return n*fact(n-1) end end function P(n,r) return fact(n)/fact(n-r) end`
`15:10.38`	`Cide`	`--> P(5, 2)`
`15:10.38`	`batbot`	`Cide: > 20`
`15:10.55`	`haste`	`you kinda need a reason for something to be added to the core`
`15:11.35`	`Cide`	`P(5, 1)+P(5,3)`
`15:11.39`	`Josh_Borke`	`haste: because i asked so nicely`
`15:11.39`	`Cide`	`--> P(5, 1)+P(5,3)`
`15:11.39`	`p3lim`	`im using seperate colors for dead, tapped and disconnected, addon a dead color to that table makes it easier for me (and I know others aswell)`
`15:11.39`	`batbot`	`Cide: > 65`
`15:11.41`	`Josh_Borke`	`haste: of course`
`15:12.07`	`p3lim`	`s/adding/addon`
`15:12.30`	`Seerah`	`dolby saw, site should be back up (if not yet, then in a few)`
`15:12.55`	`Bouvi`	`WOOT the scubaboard is up now. Waiting on WoWi...`
`15:14.05`	`Cide`	`--> P(5, 4)`
`15:14.06`	`batbot`	`Cide: > 120`
`15:14.07`	`Seerah`	`ah, wasn't so simple a fix, guys, sorry. :( But he's working on it :D`
`15:14.08`	`Bouvi`	`and the scubaboard crashed again. Just not my day lol`
`15:14.30`	`Bouvi`	`Nothing ever is Seerah :)`
`15:14.34`	`p3lim`	`scubaboard?`
`15:14.49`	`Bouvi`	`One of the forums I surf. p3lim`
`15:14.53`	`p3lim`	`aha`
`15:14.57`	`Bouvi`	`http://www.scubaboard.com`
`15:15.54`	`p3lim`	`seems to be down`
`15:16.23`	`Bouvi`	`It is. I only have 3 other forums to surf. I am getting ansy :D`
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`15:17.52`	`p3lim`	`I only have three forums in total`
`15:17.53`	`p3lim`	`:/`
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`15:18.17`	`p3lim`	`wowace, wowi and my guild forums`
`15:18.27`	`p3lim`	`two of them beeing down atm`
`15:19.34`	`Bouvi`	`Guild, squadron (Battlefield), Sr. Instructors (martial arts organization), wow beta, wowi, my martial arts school forum, and scubaboard.`
`15:21.53`	`p3lim`	`wow official beta forums?`
`15:22.17`	`Bouvi`	`yes`
`15:22.47`	`p3lim`	`ait`
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`15:32.14`	`Bouvi`	`It is acting slow but up. Thanks :)`
`15:32.53`	`Bouvi`	`And getting faster woot. :D`
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`15:38.19`	`Seerah`	`Huzzah! WoWInterface is back up! :)`
`15:38.26`	`Seerah`	`Thank you Dolby and our datacenter`
`15:40.45`	`Bouvi`	`WOOT!!!`
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`16:39.45`	`foxlit`	`Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM in`
`16:40.03`	`nevcairiel`	`wtf`
`16:40.52`	`Maldivia`	`hehe`
`16:41.13`	`batrick`	`what nevcairiel said`
`16:41.15`	`Duman`	`o.O`
`16:41.23`	`foxlit`	`[ http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=14492 ]`
`16:41.25`	`Maldivia`	`that's hebrew for double colon, in case you were wondering`
`16:41.54`	`nevcairiel`	`who defines error symbols in hebrew`
`16:42.05`	`Duman`	`http://us2.php.net/tokens`
`16:42.17`	`Duman`	`T_DOUBLE_COLON`
`16:42.36`	`Maldivia`	`the Israli developwer of php3, I'd guess`
`16:42.36`	`ccox\|work`	`php - that explains it...`
`16:43.04`	`Duman`	`lol, there's a wikipedia page for it`
`16:43.06`	`Duman`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paamayim_Nekudotayim`
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`16:44.29`	`foxlit`	`$hi = preg_replace('/((  )+)/sie', 'sprintf("<pre style=\'display: inline\'>%s</pre>", str_repeat(" ", strlen("$1")/7));', $hi); // was the reason`
`16:44.41`	`foxlit`	`I originally had just $1 in that replcaement expression`
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`17:36.29`	`Bouvi`	`http://failblog.org/2008/08/26/golfing-fail/`
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`17:37.30`	`Lunessa`	`staion.`
`17:38.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`All aboard.`
`17:38.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`is that an invitation?`
`17:39.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh, " if there was ever a sign to change hotels, a meth bust outside your hotel door is sure to be it.`
`17:39.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats would be this world Lopeppeppy, it's the only reality we have`
`17:40.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/s//`
`17:40.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`though i assumed it was for Lunessa`
`17:40.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`pfft, the only reality YOU have. I have several.`
`17:40.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No reality includes Peppy as a boarding station, nope.`
`17:41.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`no one said anything about public`
`17:42.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, well then... still a Dr. Who reality skit.`
`17:42.32`	`Lunessa`	`;D`
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`17:46.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`i started my day off right finding out they realesed info on the Canon 50D`
`17:47.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I started my day with the fire alarm going off, nothing has gone right since.`
`17:47.13`	`foxlit`	`Slashdot: Science: Scientists Discover Cows Point North`
`17:50.35`	`Lunessa`	`... "Navigation Cow says - THAT WAY! To the lake!"`
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`17:53.22`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`too bad compasses are cheap, and beef tastes delicious`
`17:53.46`	`End`	`compasses aren't very tasty in comparison either`
`17:54.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`you must not have had the good kind then End`
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`18:13.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Tekkub: Cork doesn't appear to recognize Seal of Wisdom as a valid seal...`
`18:14.12`	`Tekkub`	`k`
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`18:16.08`	`Lunessa`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/25/funny-pictures-saving-the-species-brb/`
`18:16.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`fail, i think thats a cub`
`18:17.22`	`Lunessa`	`... pedo-bear seyz...`
`18:27.21`	`Lunessa`	`http://ihasahotdog.com/2008/08/20/funny-dog-pictures-dirty-i-get-it-4-u/`
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`18:45.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://www.manapotions.com/raceazeroth.html`
`18:48.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`its actually pretty amusing, you should check it out.`
`18:49.16`	`Esamynn`	`work safe? :P`
`18:49.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yes`
`18:49.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you can trust me. i'm sane.`
`18:49.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`<-- see?`
`18:50.08`	`Esamynn`	`so you claim`
`18:53.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you know, the cobolt tanking gear is actually pretty decent looking`
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`18:58.21`	`Tem\|Work`	`wtf, MS`
`18:58.28`	`Tem\|Work`	`This error message is useless`
`18:58.40`	`Tem\|Work`	`"An external component threw and exception."`
`18:58.49`	`Tem\|Work`	`You don't wanna tell me /what/ component?`
`18:58.54`	`Tem\|Work`	`or maybe what exception?`
`18:59.03`	`Tem\|Work`	`ASDLFKASJDFLAKSDJF`
`18:59.08`	`Tem\|Work`	`NEVER`
`18:59.10`	`Tem\|Work`	`AGAIN`
`18:59.15`	`Tem\|Work`	`will I work with asp.net`
`18:59.17`	`Tem\|Work`	`NEVER`
`18:59.18`	`Tem\|Work`	`AGAIN`
`18:59.40`	`Esamynn`	`Tem\|Work: EVER?`
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`19:10.50`	`kd3`	`huzzah. my rain gauge says we got 4 inches of rain... now if only the lakes got that much...`
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`19:12.17`	`Lunessa`	`The Cobalt tanking set and DPS sets look pretty cool.`
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`19:24.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I didn't check out the dps set, mostly i was just trying to make a quick tanking set for my DK`
`19:25.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`(aside, thats surprisingly good tanking gear as well..)`
`19:27.36`	`Lunessa`	`Yes it is. I can knock out the pieces if you need some.`
`19:28.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nah, i already got them all for my dk, and i don't think you're horde anyway ;)`
`19:28.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but, thanks :)`
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`19:54.01`	`\|pez\|`	`damnit, the boyfriend lost his job. :\`
`19:54.20`	`batrick`	`hand him an apron`
`19:54.26`	`batrick`	`apron (sp?)`
`19:54.27`	`batbot`	`batrick, apron is correct.`
`20:00.37`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`withhold sex till he gets a job`
`20:01.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... thats mean..`
`20:02.16`	`Jagannath`	`That's cruel.`
`20:04.29`	`Syzgyn`	`Especially with the economy how it is now :V`
`20:06.14`	`\|pez\|`	`:P`
`20:06.33`	`\|pez\|`	`I can't realy withold sex till he gets a job XD`
`20:06.46`	`\|pez\|`	`If he had given me the same treatment, I wouldn't have gotten sex for a year.`
`20:07.08`	`kd3`	`eesh`
`20:07.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`see, not only is it cruel, its not fair.`
`20:09.11`	`Syzgyn`	`^^`
`20:09.36`	`AckisWork`	`it punishes both people in the relationship`
`20:10.12`	`Jagannath`	`Lol.`
`20:10.20`	`Jagannath`	`Double the cruelness.`
`20:11.20`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`pez, I didn't say YOU had to be withholden from sex`
`20:11.23`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`just HIM`
`20:12.28`	`Jagannath`	`Lol.`
`20:13.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`sigh... on hold with Verizon, and the hold music would be considered cheesy even in a 70s porn film`
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`20:24.19`	`Lunessa`	`... Neuro_Medivh You know how you can tell pr0n is from the 70s?`
`20:24.53`	`Lunessa`	`The dude's has side-burns downstairs. :P`
`20:24.59`	`End`	`o_O`
`20:25.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so do the women`
`20:25.29`	`Lunessa`	`>:)`
`20:25.57`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`the other dead giveaway: Ron Jeremy looks somewhat in shape`
`20:25.59`	`Bouvi`	`Ahhh 70s porn. Such memories`
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`20:42.50`	`kd3`	`bah`
`20:42.59`	`kd3`	`I was nearly done destroying every wall in wintergrasp and the server crashes`
`20:44.40`	`Kaso`	`http://img.waffleimages.com/8d8a308b8d5bba1511d72afc9c63ab9aae400ef0/electionhq.jpg`
`20:44.46`	`Kaso`	`Oh Fox news...`
`20:46.14`	`smcn`	`i'd like to say i was surprised a news show would sink so low`
`20:46.36`	`smcn`	`my only surprise is they didn't mention hussein`
`20:46.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but let's face it, it's fox. you're not surprised.`
`20:47.00`	`End`	`I wish I was surprised`
`20:47.08`	`smcn`	`what's biden's middle name? maybe i could scoop on fox`
`20:47.15`	`smcn`	`with a hussein connection`
`20:47.28`	`End`	`Robinette`
`20:47.38`	`End`	`or so sez the oh wise wikipedia`
`20:47.41`	`smcn`	`lol`
`20:47.46`	`End`	`Joseph Robinette âJoeâ Biden, Jr.`
`20:49.08`	`\|pez\|`	`hrm, if I'll be forced to use Dreamweaver, I'll be a sadsadpez`
`20:49.40`	`smcn`	`seriously the way they're obsessing over his name, what's next? numerology to connect him to 666 and satan?`
`20:50.05`	`End`	`:-/`
`20:50.10`	`End`	`I wouldn't be surprised`
`20:50.13`	`smcn`	`it's the right's equivalent to 9/11 conspiracy nuts`
`20:50.36`	`End`	`yeah, except it's much more visible`
`20:50.40`	`ckknight`	`smcn: http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/33500/Obama-The-Demon--33963.jpg`
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`20:50.48`	`smcn`	`rofl`
`20:52.20`	`Kaso`	`to be fair people do that for everyone`
`20:52.36`	`Kaso`	`http://img.waffleimages.com/0e23b3cf5875fb5a23bbbb4d21ace14e21c8643e/58419_DOT2002_is_the_Antichrist__XXXX_jpga8b7da7d88c2e8f21967ad3cc6968e3c.jpg`
`20:52.38`	`Kaso`	`http://img.waffleimages.com/e1e3c757f90e3c8ff7324e8671c585872b74fab3/Hillary%2Bdevil%2B-%2Beyes.jpg`
`20:52.52`	`smcn`	`yeah, at least it's better than the monkey shops`
`20:53.03`	`smcn`	`and they say "oh but it's not racist when you photoshop bush?"`
`20:53.23`	`smcn`	`no shit sherlock, portraying a black person as a monkey has huge racial inferences going back centuries`
`20:53.54`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`seems like every dipshit thinks photoshopping a penis onto bush's head is original. "Yes, dickhead, we get it"`
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`21:03.52`	`Shirik`	`No respect:`
`21:03.53`	`Shirik`	`(17:03:05) (+Shirik) and he completely ignored me`
`21:03.54`	`Shirik`	`(17:03:13) (+Shirik) :(`
`21:03.54`	`Shirik`	`(17:03:19) (@Dolby) is some one else talking Cairenn ?`
`21:03.57`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`21:04.10`	`smcn`	`you don't get no respect at all`
`21:04.22`	`End`	`just kidding just kidding!`
`21:04.33`	`Shirik`	`-_-`
`21:04.36`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`21:05.38`	`Dolby`	`what are you laughing at Cairenn? Who doesn't get respect?`
`21:05.54`	`\|Jelly\|`	`~hug Shirik`
`21:05.55`	`purl`	`ACTION jumps into Shirik's lap and huggles and hugs Shirik`
`21:05.55`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Well Shirik, in the future when you become a world-famous supervillian, you can declare to the world that you were set on your path of evil and destruction by the cruel treatment you received from Dolby. Of course, by this time he will be a superhero and your arch-nemesis.`
`21:06.22`	`End`	`his penis is the hammer`
`21:06.25`	`Dolby`	`who is Shirik ?`
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`21:10.33`	`foxlit`	`Hey, my first course to TA.`
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`21:10.42`	`Shirik`	`yay`
`21:10.44`	`Shirik`	`what course?`
`21:10.54`	`cayres`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:11.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes, buy a better computer`
`21:11.08`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: Probability.`
`21:11.11`	`Shirik`	`I can make one in 5 minutes for you`
`21:11.19`	`Shirik`	`it probably doesn't tweak it in the direction you want`
`21:11.20`	`Syzgyn`	`End: win.`
`21:11.22`	`Shirik`	`but it'll tweak it`
`21:11.38`	`Shirik`	`foxlit: fun`
`21:12.14`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: hah, we'll see :)`
`21:12.19`	`cayres`	`im running it on FreeBSD 7`
`21:12.27`	`foxlit`	`Gives me a chance to actually do that course properly, too`
`21:12.48`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`21:13.02`	`Shirik`	`cayres: Care to define what you mean by "performance tweaks"?`
`21:14.06`	`kd3`	`whee. every time we get close to capturing wintergrasp, server crashes`
`21:14.14`	`Syzgyn`	`haha`
`21:14.14`	`foxlit`	`Anyone managed to coerce Eclipse into using a local Java SE 6.0 javadoc?`
`21:14.18`	`cayres`	`shirik.. well it seems like every 5 seconds or so the game pauses/lags irregardless of the current fps im getting. I'm running it through wine with opengl. I have an nvidia card`
`21:14.35`	`Shirik`	`are you running with no addons?`
`21:14.53`	`Shirik`	`foxlit: Throw eclipse out the window`
`21:14.58`	`Shirik`	`Then grab Netbeans`
`21:14.59`	`kd3`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine/Troubleshooting#Glitch_every_3-5_sec`
`21:15.05`	`kd3`	`ick, netbeans?`
`21:15.21`	`ajmitch`	`ick, java?`
`21:15.26`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: but it works-ish? OSX, too.`
`21:15.28`	`cayres`	`no I have a few.. like auctioneer, ackis recipe list, etc..`
`21:15.34`	`Shirik`	`foxlit: I love Netbeans`
`21:15.41`	`Shirik`	`and it's in Java so I see no reason it shouldn't work on OSX`
`21:15.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... i think netbeans works on osx too`
`21:16.03`	`Syzgyn`	`so... notepad++ is freaking out on me and replacing my keystrokes with alternate characters`
`21:16.07`	`Shirik`	`kd3: Better than the crap that is eclipse`
`21:16.21`	`Shirik`	`Syzgyn: Got an IME?`
`21:16.28`	`Syzgyn`	`IME?`
`21:16.34`	`Shirik`	`~wtf ime`
`21:16.37`	`Shirik`	`...`
`21:16.38`	`Shirik`	`~ime`
`21:16.39`	`purl`	`ime is, like, in my experience`
`21:16.41`	`Shirik`	`no it's not`
`21:16.42`	`cayres`	`kd3 I'll try that`
`21:16.44`	`Shirik`	`~google IME`
`21:16.55`	`ajmitch`	`international character stuff`
`21:17.02`	`Shirik`	`purl, ime is also input method editor`
`21:17.03`	`purl`	`Shirik: okay`
`21:17.05`	`Syzgyn`	`restarting fixed it, but I dunno how the hell it happened`
`21:17.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`purl doesnt like you Shirik`
`21:17.35`	`cayres`	`also do you guys have any resources to get around the windowmanager controlling metacharacters? such as I cant use my alt key in windowed mode`
`21:17.46`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: anything in particular in the NetBeans vs Eclipse that's interesting? :)`
`21:17.52`	`kd3`	`cay; xfce? gnome? kde?`
`21:17.56`	`Shirik`	`personally, I don't find Eclipse to be presentable`
`21:18.00`	`Shirik`	`NetBeans is very polished, etc.`
`21:18.07`	`Shirik`	`it's just.... nice`
`21:18.18`	`Shirik`	`Eclipse seems like you have to jump through a ton of hoops to get things done`
`21:18.50`	`foxlit`	`Having actually used Eclipse before Netbeans, I can't find anything that annoys me much`
`21:19.01`	`Shirik`	`oh I used Eclipse before Netbeans too :)`
`21:19.02`	`foxlit`	`There's crappy third party plug-ins, but that's crappy third parties rather than the IDE`
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`21:19.18`	`Shirik`	`I guess it's more personal than anything`
`21:19.32`	`Shirik`	`I also find Eclipse's intellisense is not intelligent`
`21:19.34`	`Shirik`	`at all...`
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`21:21.09`	`Shirik`	`unfortunately`
`21:21.17`	`Shirik`	`QNX embraces Eclipse, so it seems I'm stuck with it for a while`
`21:21.38`	`foxlit`	`You've seen my naming conventions`
`21:21.55`	`foxlit`	`I type them faster than it'd take you to interact with intellisense :)`
`21:22.05`	`Shirik`	`what if you can't remember :)`
`21:22.14`	`Shirik`	`I do that rather frequently, I want to see the function prototype or something`
`21:22.19`	`Shirik`	`That's the other thing that pisses me off, actually`
`21:22.38`	`Shirik`	`If I've already typed the function name, the only way I can get eclipse to help me with the prototype is to delete a few characters and pull up intellisense again`
`21:22.56`	`Shirik`	`It appears intellisense has to complete the line to show the info`
`21:23.18`	`Shirik`	`I just really find Netbeans as very presentable and clean`
`21:23.20`	`Fisker-`	`kd3`
`21:23.22`	`Fisker-`	`you has sauce`
`21:24.29`	`Shirik`	`I especially like how Eclipse decides to highlight #include <new> as highlighting "new" as a keyword as opposed to as a file`
`21:24.53`	`Shirik`	`it's just stupid things like that`
`21:25.07`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol... 9 yr old kid banned from pitching in little league cause he's "too good"`
`21:25.15`	`Syzgyn`	`wtf?`
`21:25.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`http://svn.esamynn.org/astrolabe/branches/wotlk_data_temp/`
`21:25.45`	`MentalPower`	`~fail Neuro_Medivh`
`21:25.46`	`purl`	`Neuro_Medivh: FAIL!`
`21:25.56`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol, wrong c&p`
`21:25.59`	`Esamynn`	`lol`
`21:26.09`	`foxlit`	`okay, so, how do I coerce Netbeans to use a local javadoc?`
`21:26.14`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-toogoodtopitch&prov=ap&type=lgns`
`21:26.31`	`Esamynn`	`~lart Neuro_Medivh`
`21:26.31`	`purl`	`crushes Neuro_Medivh with a full height scsi disk`
`21:26.41`	`Esamynn`	`ouch`
`21:27.14`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yeah, I was checking the current build of astrolabe earlier`
`21:27.38`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`but this kid apparently can throw on-target 45mph fastballs at 9yrs old`
`21:27.50`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and they banned him from pitching`
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`21:28.48`	`Syzgyn`	`wow, thats terrible`
`21:29.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`next up, Tiger Woods banned from PGA: "It's just not fair to the rest of us that he's so good"`
`21:31.20`	`foxlit`	`eclipse coerced -- Ganymede actually has awesome javadoc popups <3`
`21:33.24`	`Shirik`	`oh, sorry foxlit`
`21:33.34`	`Shirik`	`Two things: Firstly, it uses it from source code if it can`
`21:33.45`	`Shirik`	`Secondly, there is some preferences place for the library javadocs`
`21:33.51`	`Shirik`	`I forget where because I've never changed it, but I know it's there`
`21:34.23`	`Shirik`	`So for your code, it simply takes it right out of the source code with its own javadoc parser (or maybe it uses the javadoc tool behind the scenes, but whatever)`
`21:34.26`	`foxlit`	`So, hate time:`
`21:34.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Neuro_Medivh: looks more like politics than anything :P`
`21:34.54`	`foxlit`	`* Uses idiotically skinned controls rather than anything even remotely resembling OSX.`
`21:35.00`	`foxlit`	`* Preferences can't be searched :/`
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`21:36.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/talentfubar.jpg`
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`21:40.05`	`Syzgyn`	`hah nice`
`21:41.22`	`cayres`	`hmm... i added the option "UseFastTLS" "2" to my video card device section and am still getting the the pause every 5 seconds or so.. It says im averaging 95fps`
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`21:42.12`	`Esine`	`1) your hardware is defective 2) your card is overheating`
`21:42.18`	`Esine`	`3) poor drivers`
`21:42.32`	`cayres`	`its the nvidia proprietary drivers`
`21:42.34`	`Esine`	`the last one is synonymous to amd/ati`
`21:42.38`	`Esine`	`o`
`21:42.59`	`Esine`	`still you better check the temperature`
`21:44.06`	`cayres`	`to be honest it doesnt do this on windows xp same system`
`21:44.34`	`Esine`	`ah`
`21:44.40`	`Esine`	`then it's a wine bug, assuming you're on wine on linux`
`21:44.58`	`Esine`	`if you're on cedega.. yeah, same thing but generally you should have less problems with it`
`21:45.01`	`cayres`	`wine on freebsd`
`21:45.07`	`Esine`	`freebsd!`
`21:45.24`	`Esine`	`could very well be an nvidia driver bug then.. or yaeh just wine :>`
`21:45.31`	`Esine`	`are you running wine 1.x?`
`21:45.48`	`cayres`	`yep`
`21:45.57`	`Esine`	`hm ok`
`21:46.02`	`cayres`	`nvidia driver 173.14.12`
`21:46.04`	`Esine`	`you could try switching between opengl and direct3d rendering mode`
`21:46.15`	`Esine`	`I'm not having any problems with that driver version on linux (and cedega)`
`21:46.21`	`Esine`	`using direct3d rendering`
`21:46.38`	`cayres`	`does cedega require a subscription?`
`21:46.43`	`Esine`	`well I mean`
`21:47.02`	`alestane`	`I'm sort of amused that someone's clamoring for Blizzard to make the stock Player and Target frames draggable; I can do that with five lines of code, and it fits in a macro.`
`21:47.02`	`Esine`	`subscription means updates`
`21:47.03`	`Esine`	`but`
`21:47.11`	`Esine`	`there are other channels in acquiring the product..`
`21:47.30`	`Esine`	`for`
`21:48.08`	`cayres`	`the core temp on my gpu is 47C`
`21:48.19`	`Esine`	`that's not too high at all then`
`21:49.51`	`cayres`	`hmm wish I could find someone else that has encountered this`
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`21:50.25`	`cayres`	`perhaps I should unload all my addons to be sure`
`21:50.30`	`Esine`	`you could always try posting in a mailing list or forum or something but there really aren't many freebsd users running wow`
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`21:52.41`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`10 million wow players, I'm sure some of them run freebsd`
`21:52.51`	`cayres`	`im seeing alot of wineserver: file_set_error() can't map error: Bad address`
`21:52.58`	`Esine`	`uh oh`
`21:53.01`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`they might be swedish, but still...`
`21:53.17`	`Esine`	`that's doesnt sound very good cayres :(`
`21:53.23`	`Zyuu`	`is there a html to wiki converter?`
`21:53.37`	`Esine`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=html+to+wiki+converter`
`21:54.08`	`Zyuu`	`what about it?`
`21:54.18`	`Esine`	`lots of links suggesting there are`
`21:54.18`	`Zyuu`	`I've already googled ;)`
`21:54.26`	`Esine`	`also links to downloads/instructions`
`21:54.30`	`Zyuu`	`Yeah, but I've found no reliable tool sadly`
`21:54.54`	`Esine`	`well, obviously you'll have to format some of it yourself`
`21:55.06`	`Esine`	`like you shouldnt post the entire html document with head tag and all`
`21:55.54`	`Zyuu`	`mmm`
`21:56.48`	`Kaso`	`cayres, "WINEDEBUG=-all" job done :P`
`21:56.55`	`Kaso`	`Out of sight out of mind.`
`21:57.00`	`Kaso`	`hah`
`21:57.03`	`Zyuu`	`Esine let me know if you end up finding one that works well =)`
`21:57.31`	`Esine`	`Zyuu, what you're asking is impossible since you didn't say in what format it really is`
`21:57.43`	`Zyuu`	`pure html to wiki really`
`21:57.51`	`Zyuu`	`have to stand the Curse.com parser, its messy`
`21:57.54`	`Zyuu`	`so cant really say`
`21:57.59`	`Esine`	`if the html is poorly coded and doesnt use <h1> and such tags but instead only css to do all the styling and whatnot..`
`21:58.01`	`Zyuu`	`new site soon though`
`21:58.12`	`Esine`	`is it really that much text?`
`21:58.13`	`Zyuu`	`Ya, its pretty poor, so I have to edit it some myself`
`21:58.19`	`Zyuu`	`Oh yeah`
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`21:59.28`	`steezo`	`What's the best way to test if the player's current target is a mob?`
`22:00.43`	`Shirik`	`uh, like an NPC enemy?`
`22:01.00`	`Esine`	`does the definition of mob include guards?`
`22:01.07`	`smcn`	`UnitIsPlayer("target") == false`
`22:01.08`	`smcn`	`?`
`22:01.11`	`steezo`	`Like something the play could attack and do damage to`
`22:01.16`	`steezo`	`player*`
`22:01.32`	`Esine`	`UnitCanAttack`
`22:01.38`	`Esine`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitCanAttack`
`22:01.55`	`steezo`	`Oh nice, thanks :)`
`22:02.08`	`Esine`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API#Unit_Functions the api page is pretty handy`
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`22:08.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`~dict merriam`
`22:09.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`~dict 2 merriam`
`22:10.54`	`Lunessa`	`I cannot brain today; I has caught the dumb from sheeples.`
`22:12.14`	`Shirik`	`hm`
`22:12.17`	`Shirik`	`I just got an email from IT`
`22:12.44`	`Shirik`	`"What is happening: Email system is down. What is being done: We are currently addressing the issue and will report back with more information when it is available. Currently we have no ETA for when the mail system will be back up."`
`22:13.05`	`Shirik`	`I don't think they thought this through`
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`22:13.31`	`g0urra`	`join #wowace`
`22:13.33`	`g0urra`	`>_>`
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`22:16.01`	`Lunessa`	`Shirik: heh yeah`
`22:16.52`	`Lunessa`	`I sent out e-mail last week to our campus reminding them that all our servers would be off line on Friday night, including e-mail. I got a lot of responses asking me to e-mail them if the outage was going to be longer than expected. facepalm`
`22:17.48`	`smcn`	`brilliant!`
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`22:25.47`	`Pneumatus`	`lua> print(("Chest1"):match("Chest[1-4]"))`
`22:25.47`	`lua_bot`	`Pneumatus: Chest1`
`22:26.32`	`Pneumatus`	`lua> print(("Chest5"):match("Chest[1-4]"))`
`22:26.33`	`lua_bot`	`Pneumatus: nil`
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`22:28.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`We knew that, dear. Get to school.`
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`22:39.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you know, way back when i saw a database sproc named "USP_DynamicSQLExecute" i should have just started looking for a new job then.`
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`22:51.32`	`Dewin`	`Night: Let me guess. It was a database procedure that took SQL as an argument and did EXECUTE sql; ?`
`22:51.47`	`Dewin`	`you know, when the caller could just execute the SQL itself...`
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`22:57.13`	`p3lim`	`holy mother of god im bored`
`22:59.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Dewin: yes, i know. and yes. i know. i did not write the procedure, nor the methods that called it. :P`
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`23:00.14`	`Dewin`	`I wasn't saying you were`
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`23:01.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeh, i'm just saying`
`23:07.14`	`Sixen`	`waves`
`23:07.15`	`Dewin`	`<-- working on a massive postgreSQL schema right now himself`
`23:08.22`	`Sixen`	`=]`
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`23:09.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`~poke shirik`
`23:09.05`	`purl`	`ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind shirik, pokes shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues.`
`23:11.11`	`\|Jelly\|`	`!c us burning legion jelly`
`23:11.49`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`you poked him too hard, purl`
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`23:13.11`	`Shirik`	`thanks Lopeppeppy :(`
`23:13.15`	`\|Jelly\|`	`So there's a 70 lock on my server named Jimcrowlolz. Kinda distasteful imo.`
`23:13.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Just a bit, Jelly`
`23:13.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`\|Jelly\|: so... report it?`
`23:13.52`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Oh. It's been reported. I'm just complaining now.`
`23:14.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ah, well, carry on then`
`23:14.19`	`\|Jelly\|`	`<3`
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`23:14.54`	`Lunessa`	`The phone will NOT. STOP. RINGING.`
`23:15.01`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Punch it's face.`
`23:15.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`^^`
`23:16.05`	`Dolby`	`why are you to angry Shirik ?`
`23:16.08`	`\|Jelly\|`	`~poke Shirik`
`23:16.09`	`purl`	`ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues.`
`23:16.15`	`Dolby`	`to = so`
`23:16.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm not angry at Shirik... I likes it when he giggles.`
`23:16.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I didn't mean to knock you offline with purl, we're very sorry.`
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`23:17.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh now, wtf. I didn't do anything!!!`
`23:17.58`	`Thrae`	`Not your fault. He's using an ajax IRC client.`
`23:18.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah-but.`
`23:18.25`	`Lunessa`	`~purl shame`
`23:18.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it was totally \|Jelly\| this time.`
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`23:19.07`	`Shirik`	`wow this actually is kinda nice`
`23:19.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`~poke Shirik`
`23:19.16`	`purl`	`ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues.`
`23:19.16`	`\|Jelly\|`	`So wait time is still unavailable. Should I wait to talk to a GM or do you think they'll get the idea?`
`23:19.28`	`\|Jelly\|`	`And I'm sorry Shirik; I didn't know what it did to you. /hug`
`23:20.36`	`Shirik`	`\|Jelly\|: ?`
`23:20.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`\|Jelly\|, I think the GM's will get the idea from your report, name violations are usually pretty simple.`
`23:20.56`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Shirik, he's commenting on the fact that every time you get poked, you DC`
`23:21.00`	`Shirik`	`oh no I don't`
`23:21.03`	`Shirik`	`the first time I DCed`
`23:21.09`	`Shirik`	`the second time I restarted mibbit because it hates me`
`23:21.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`me, I'm just impressed that Dolby acknowledged your existence`
`23:21.14`	`Shirik`	`the second time I switch to a different client`
`23:21.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`Cairenn, huh?`
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`23:21.52`	`Cairenn`	`Thunder_Child: nothing :)`
`23:22.03`	`Cairenn`	`was just hugging the freenode staff that are in channel :)`
`23:22.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Saving us from spam bots.`
`23:22.24`	`Cairenn`	`hehehhe`
`23:22.25`	`Shirik`	`and for spelling huggles wrong`
`23:22.32`	`Dave2`	`woo, mass unprompted hugglage`
`23:22.52`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`23:23.10`	`Cairenn`	`what's wrong with it malreth?`
`23:23.13`	`malreth`	`schizophrenia has nothing to do with dissociative personality disorder`
`23:24.04`	`Shirik`	`ok, this code TOTALLY COMPILED LAST NIGHT wtf`
`23:24.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`~calm Shirik`
`23:24.18`	`purl`	`ACTION sooths Shirik, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Shirik down.`
`23:24.22`	`Shirik`	`oh that was just Eclipse being stupid again....`
`23:24.30`	`Shirik`	`I yelled at it and the error disappeared, lol`
`23:24.38`	`foxlit`	`<3`
`23:24.59`	`foxlit`	`<code lang="lua>blah blah blah</code> autohighlights for me now :)`
`23:25.13`	`foxlit`	`(well, proper syntax and server-side highlighting, but hey, it's awesome!)`
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`23:25.41`	`malreth`	`so WotC released a little D&D facebook app. fun to play but it hasn't scaled well with its popularity`
`23:25.54`	`malreth`	`11k users and the game has ground to a halt`
`23:26.17`	`foxlit`	`What's a facebook app?`
`23:26.32`	`malreth`	`the error messages tell the entire story on why`
`23:26.54`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`11k people still play D&D?`
`23:26.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`chat and run`
`23:27.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`more than 11K people still play`
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`23:27.20`	`malreth`	`:p`
`23:27.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Shirik was just talking about how mibbit hated him`
`23:27.58`	`malreth`	`mibbit loves us all`
`23:28.01`	`malreth`	`one sec...`
`23:28.24`	`Shirik`	`no mibbit does NOT love us all`
`23:28.48`	`batrick`	`hey shirik`
`23:28.58`	`DBE-Kinj`	`Hi everyone! I'm looking for an add-on designer/programmer to work on a few projects. One of them is updating, and adding features to one of our working add-ons, and the other one is the development of a new idea we are working on. We completely understand how valuable your time is and you will be compensated for your work. Please Note: that these add-ons are 100% legit, and do not break anything in blizzards ToS. PM me if your interest`
`23:29.02`	`batrick`	`you should go fix filum imo`
`23:29.42`	`Kaso`	`compensated? ^_-`
`23:29.54`	`starlon`	`bj`
`23:29.59`	`DBE-Kinj`	`hoooookers =)`
`23:32.54`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol... http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=89623&videoChannel=1004 Dining at 150 feet in the air`
`23:33.36`	`Anaral`	`Anyone know why Tortoise SVN would just disappear from my right click menus?`
`23:33.48`	`ckknight`	`DBE-Kinj: describe these hookers.`
`23:33.58`	`DBE-Kinj`	`lol..`
`23:34.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`Anaral, many ways, reinstalling would prolly be the fastest to bring it back`
`23:34.32`	`DBE-Kinj`	`It's money, not hookers unfortunately.. you can spend it on hookers if you would like.`
`23:34.43`	`Anaral`	`sighs I guess`
`23:35.09`	`Kaso`	`What are the two addons? its rare to have anything thats worth money`
`23:35.16`	`batrick`	`DBE-Kinj: what kind of AddON?`
`23:35.31`	`batrick`	`(broad category)`
`23:36.20`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`sounds like Carbonite`
`23:37.01`	`ckknight`	`or something along those lines, Neuro_Medivh`
`23:37.04`	`*** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (n=Dark_Elf@206.169.253.12)`
`23:37.12`	`DBE-Kinj`	`they are both informational based. One displays data, the other one collects, and stores data.`
`23:37.40`	`Anaral`	`And their names are?`
`23:37.41`	`Kaso`	`that decribes about 99% of addons in the world`
`23:38.15`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`23:38.22`	`DBE-Kinj`	`Darn =)`
`23:38.39`	`Shirik`	`Anyone know how something like this might happen in an SO file (random question)`
`23:38.41`	`Shirik`	`bash-2.05a# nm sercom_g.so \| grep coid`
`23:38.41`	`Shirik`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:38.49`	`Shirik`	`U means "undefined" right? So why is it there >.>`
`23:38.57`	`ckknight`	`DBE-Kinj: you can't just say the name?`
`23:39.27`	`Anaral`	`DBE-Kinj: See when you don't answer us with specifics, then we go in auto-suspicious mode.`
`23:39.49`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`screw that, I just wanna know about the hookers`
`23:39.54`	`Anaral`	`lol`
`23:39.54`	`DBE-Kinj`	`The one that is being upgraded is private, our designer actually got employed at Blizzard and Curse (Guillotene), so we need a new designer.`
`23:40.09`	`DBE-Kinj`	`I understand Anaral, I have this conversation every time I come looking for programmers here =)`
`23:40.30`	`ckknight`	`Guillotine, btw, not Guillotene`
`23:40.35`	`Anaral`	`So who uses a private addon?`
`23:40.39`	`DBE-Kinj`	`I apologize`
`23:40.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"private addon"?`
`23:40.45`	`Shirik`	`a lot of people (sadly)`
`23:40.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Is that like a "private server"?`
`23:40.54`	`DBE-Kinj`	`Not at all.`
`23:40.54`	`Anaral`	`Yeah`
`23:40.57`	`Lunessa`	`Poor Guillotine, poor poor guilly.`
`23:41.05`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Now, are we talking Eliot Spitzer hookers, or back-of-the-liquor-store hookers?`
`23:41.07`	`ckknight`	`Lunessa: what about him?`
`23:41.08`	`Anaral`	`Well then why can't you let us know the name?`
`23:41.19`	`Lunessa`	`He got a job.`
`23:41.23`	`ckknight`	`yea, if it's not bad, then we should know what it is`
`23:41.32`	`DBE-Kinj`	`Poor Poor me... I lost an awesome developer =(`
`23:41.40`	`ckknight`	`Lunessa: yea, I don't know how involved he is with Curse anymore anyway`
`23:41.54`	`Thrae`	`Jobs always get in the way of coding addons.`
`23:41.57`	`ckknight`	`I think he got another job or something`
`23:42.18`	`batrick`	`Shirik: search ld's man page for "defs"`
`23:42.21`	`Lunessa`	`ckknight: nod Life does strange things, and sometimes our labors of love must be put aside for labor for wampum.`
`23:42.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`hah, guilly is quite happy`
`23:42.37`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`what if we love wampum?`
`23:42.46`	`Lunessa`	`I was being sarcastic. :P`
`23:42.54`	`Anaral`	`DBE-Kinj: What is a private addon? And if it's private, then it shouldn't mean anything for you to tell us the name.`
`23:42.58`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`sarcasm? What's that?`
`23:43.11`	`Anaral`	`Or even a more specific description of what it does.`
`23:43.12`	`Lunessa`	`Neuro_Medivh: you can love your wampum, just don't love your wampum. You know?`
`23:43.19`	`Shirik`	`batrick: Actually I found it already :P I was being stupid`
`23:43.27`	`Shirik`	`but thanks anyway`
`23:43.39`	`DBE-Kinj`	`Okay sure, the one in development was called Grindstats, the other one I believe was called DLG`
`23:43.45`	`Shirik`	`I really expected this error to show up at link time instead of runtime though`
`23:44.18`	`Shirik`	`ROFL, sigh`
`23:44.20`	`Shirik`	`my output got worse`
`23:44.37`	`Anaral`	`And DLG stands for?`
`23:45.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`Die Little Girl`
`23:45.17`	`Anaral`	`smirk`
`23:45.18`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Dirty Leather Girls?`
`23:45.56`	`Shirik`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/94789`
`23:45.58`	`Shirik`	`... wtf`
`23:46.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`oh, wait, I got it: Die Little Gnome! An auto-gnome-target mod`
`23:46.16`	`DBE-Kinj`	`I don't understand why it matters in this situation. We need work done for our add-on programming. We have the money to pay for your service. If you are legitimately interested in it, then you can get as much details as you need for the development.`
`23:46.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: I feel dirty, I know own a java book`
`23:46.32`	`Shirik`	`hahahaha`
`23:46.35`	`Shirik`	`It's ok`
`23:46.38`	`Shirik`	`at least you don't have to TEACH out of one`
`23:46.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`23:46.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`fair enough`
`23:47.10`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Kinj, the issue with many people is in the ability to be compensated for development. No one wants to work on something to find out "whoops, we actually don't have any way to pay you, sorry!"`
`23:47.40`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`It's like being asked to program for a video game, then finding out later that the game is Duke Nukem 4`
`23:48.07`	`Shirik`	`I would totally work on that game`
`23:48.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`you mean the one that will for sure be released in the next 100 years`
`23:48.27`	`Shirik`	`ya`
`23:48.34`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`They never guaranteed that`
`23:48.51`	`Kaso`	`In my perspective it is just the fact that an addon that is so secret i cant even get any infomation about it is usually on the dodgey side of what i think's ok to involve myself with.`
`23:49.08`	`Kaso`	`I cant think of a real other reason that such secrecy would be needed in this field`
`23:49.21`	`Anaral`	`Also, a legit job would answer general questions openly, a name and basic info on the project arent' things that need to be hidden`
`23:49.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Eh, there's a line between secrecy and apathy (for me anyway). See: my four (ten? eighteen? I don't know) addons that all do random things, none of which I've ever done anything with outside of my computer`
`23:49.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Apathy ftw`
`23:50.10`	`Anaral`	`Heh.`
`23:50.16`	`DBE-Kinj`	`Neuro_Medivh: I worked with Guillotine in the past, he has rerceived full compensation for his work.. with no problems.`
`23:51.02`	`Thrae`	`DBE-Kinj: Are you, or the addon, associated with Curse network in any way?`
`23:51.03`	`Anaral`	`Even Blizz will say on their website what games/part of development they need.`
`23:51.26`	`DBE-Kinj`	`Thrae: Not at all.`
`23:51.47`	`batrick`	`stop demonizing the man's intentions`
`23:51.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`what's the other big network, the one that owns wowhead and thottbot etc al`
`23:52.11`	`ckknight`	`zam, Neuro_Medivh`
`23:52.12`	`Cairenn`	`Zam`
`23:52.39`	`DBE-Kinj`	`Zam Network`
`23:52.47`	`DBE-Kinj`	`Nah we aren't affiliated with them either.`
`23:53.50`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Then it's some form of datamining addon I'm guessing... which I'm not saying is bad, mind you`
`23:53.57`	`Anaral`	`Okay, there's Zam and Curse... The carbonite folks...`
`23:54.09`	`Lunessa`	`... don't bitch at me when your lab, which is not maintained by my department and uses non-standard equipment has a problem that I don't know about...`
`23:54.11`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`by datamining, I mean collecting and coallating data across users`
`23:54.35`	`batrick`	`take it to PMs with the guy people this is getting rediculous`
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`23:54.42`	`DBE-Kinj`	`Thank you Batrick =)`
`23:55.57`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`well, when he won't give specific information about the hookers being offered, I get suspicious.. I mean, who wants to end up like Eddie Murphy?`
`23:56.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`ah, it might be too old of a reference`
`23:56.39`	`batrick`	`He asked you to PM him if you were interested. If you are interested enough to know what king of compensation you will be receiving, and how, then you should do as he asked`
`23:56.51`	`batrick`	`kind*`
`23:56.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`only if you think Neuro_Medivh acting paranoid is amusing`
`23:57.49`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I was refering to this incident: http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/050397/eddie.htm`
`23:57.50`	`Cairenn`	`guys, a point to keep in mind ... if I or any of the other channel ops are awake and obviously paying attention to the channel - pretty safe bet that we've verified whether something like this is legit or whether it's something that we don't allow in here - the fact the guy is still in channel should say volumes`
`23:57.55`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`not exactly topical, I admit`
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