| 00:00.13 | Corrodias | you have something to say, schnoggo? |
| 00:00.14 | Neuro_Medivh | pointless blather sounds good |
| 00:00.43 | schnoggo | i do.extended OT shoudl go to a chennel where people want to talk about that particular subject. |
| 00:01.11 | Corrodias | so you're just trying to get attention because you don't want to read what we're saying right now? |
| 00:01.13 | Thrae | People that are good at making money aren't necessarily highly intelligent. In fact, our society has a kind of stratification where you have the poorer masses, the intellectuals, and the rich, all in different classes (note that intellectualls don't belong to just one economic class) |
| 00:01.17 | Shirik | muhahah |
| 00:02.05 | Shirik|Ghost | oh you are so lucky |
| 00:02.09 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 00:02.11 | Shirik|Ghost | I got rid of my script |
| 00:02.12 | schnoggo | no. I'm hoping to clean up the scrollback so I don't have to scan OT crap for pages and pages |
| 00:02.17 | Shirik|Ghost | remember that one Josh_Borke? |
| 00:02.24 | Corrodias | schnoggo: /clear |
| 00:02.47 | Corrodias | otherwise, unless you have addon-related things you want to talk about, you can just sit quietly and let other people talk about what they want to |
| 00:02.54 | schnoggo | i'll return later - hopefully a better class of people will be talking :p |
| 00:03.45 | Thrae | Shirik: Well, apparently I'm lower then dirt because I talked about the social issues plaguing our real and virtual world. I'll stay silent for a bit. |
| 00:03.57 | Shirik | huh? |
| 00:04.10 | Corrodias | jokes on him, i think we were approximately finished anyway |
| 00:04.50 | Shirik | Thrae: If that was due to the laugh after your statement, I advise you to read the system messages surrounding that laugh |
| 00:04.55 | Corrodias | well, i was. you had something about economics going on for a minute. :) |
| 00:05.01 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:05.02 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/08/24/addon-spotlight-minimalist/ |
| 00:05.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Basically, this addon does everything I've been using multiple addons to accomplish in one simple package, with a memory footprint even Tekkub would be proud of. (I think, he gets pretty fired up about wasted resources.) |
| 00:05.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't even know what that addon does, but that line made me lol |
| 00:05.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Seeing that randomly in my RSS reader |
| 00:05.54 | Tekkub | it does loads of shit |
| 00:06.01 | Kemayo | Especially given the screenshot showing a dewdrop menu. ;) |
| 00:06.05 | Tekkub | 2/3 of which I would turn off |
| 00:06.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Auto-Skip Useless Gossips - Skips 'extra' vendor chatter and goes right to the sell screen. |
| 00:06.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:06.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Gogo addon to pull that off |
| 00:07.24 | Tekkub | MInimalist hasn't been touched in like a year, many things in it are pointless now |
| 00:07.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Date: |
| 00:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | |
| 00:07.54 | ScytheBlade1 | 08-16-2008 01:29 PM |
| 00:07.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid copy formatting |
| 00:08.28 | Kemayo | It annoys me that my wife uses it, and keeps forgetting that it's there and doing all this random crap. So she asks me to fix various little UI quirks, and I just say to her "Minimalist", and she goes "oh..." |
| 00:10.08 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm... I need something that replicates the 2-3 small things I still use ctmod for |
| 00:10.16 | Neuro_Medivh | maybe I'll look into minimalist =) |
| 00:10.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Neuro_Medivh: the fact that you can thank wowinsider for that sickens me (but good luck with it, really) |
| 00:10.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 00:10.44 | Kemayo | Also, it may just be me, but I think that a commit note like "Fix Embeds for Abacus 3" should not belong in an addon called Minimalist. :P |
| 00:10.47 | Tekkub | maybe you should look into writing 2-3 small addons |
| 00:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:11.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Tekkub, why reinvent the wheel? |
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| 00:11.20 | Tekkub | why load all that code for 2-3 things? |
| 00:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Neuro_Medivh: because the wheel in this case is square and years old? |
| 00:11.23 | Neuro_Medivh | though I might end up having to do that |
| 00:11.23 | Wobin | Because it's square |
| 00:11.27 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 00:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | win |
| 00:11.32 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 00:11.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Wobin++ |
| 00:11.53 | Neuro_Medivh | I've had to do that 2-3 times now.. I never could find an XPbar addon I liked, so I hard-coded one |
| 00:12.14 | Wobin | still working on Xparky =P |
| 00:12.16 | Neuro_Medivh | guess i'll have to do it for the few things ctmod does that I prefer |
| 00:12.29 | Tekkub | what is it you're needing? |
| 00:13.02 | Neuro_Medivh | little things... I like the quest levels being added, I like putting the typing text on top of the chatframe |
| 00:13.10 | Neuro_Medivh | few others I'm probably forgetting |
| 00:13.11 | Tekkub | Quelevel |
| 00:13.28 | Tekkub | moving the editbox is like one line of code |
| 00:13.56 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, I'm sure it is |
| 00:14.02 | Tekkub | okey... FOUR lines |
| 00:14.12 | Tekkub | 5 to get the arrow keys |
| 00:14.20 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, I hide those |
| 00:14.36 | Tekkub | no |
| 00:14.39 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, and the chatscroll function, I'd have to write an addon for that |
| 00:14.40 | Tekkub | arrow KEYS |
| 00:14.43 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh |
| 00:14.46 | Tekkub | http://gist.github.com/7014 |
| 00:15.40 | Tekkub | reload that, added scrolly for you |
| 00:15.45 | Neuro_Medivh | most likely I'll ditch CTmod before wotlk comes out... I'm only running the core module now in beta, and I had to hack that |
| 00:16.57 | Neuro_Medivh | thank you tekkub, I'll play with that in a bit |
| 00:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | So you can't taint the raid group comp frame, right? It's no longer 'secure'? Or am I wrong there? |
| 00:17.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, secure in the sense that if it gets tainted bad things happen |
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| 00:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc they removed the ability to target from it which solved a lot of crap, but that's all I know =[ |
| 00:20.24 | Tekkub | whatever it was that made changing things in the friend frame taint it, is gone in raf |
| 00:21.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently there are still raid leaders on my server running addons that blank out that entire pane in combat, preventing in-combat group switching |
| 00:21.19 | ScytheBlade1 | And they now believe that said group switching has been disabled :( |
| 00:21.24 | ScytheBlade1 | As of 2.0 |
| 00:22.12 | Matrix110 | In combat switching = bad :P |
| 00:22.17 | Matrix110 | sometimes atleast |
| 00:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, why? :P |
| 00:22.41 | Matrix110 | well its... challenging for the healers :P |
| 00:23.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I had to swap one shaman to another group to drop heroism, and then back |
| 00:23.32 | ScytheBlade1 | If the healers have a problem with that on Shade then they can l2p :P |
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| 00:29.14 | cbreak | in combat switching is easy, you can do it in a macro if you want |
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| 00:29.51 | cbreak | it's not secure, it doesn't even require hardware events |
| 00:29.52 | Corrodias | shit, people should rotate people through the groups constantly during a raid just for fun |
| 00:30.06 | cbreak | no, to use the auras effectively :) |
| 00:30.27 | Corrodias | no, just for fun |
| 00:30.32 | cbreak | it's not fun |
| 00:30.40 | Corrodias | i bet it could be |
| 00:30.44 | cbreak | spamming frostbolt on the other hand is fun |
| 00:31.13 | cbreak | moving groups so that all aoe healers on Vaelestraz are used optimally is not fun, it's simple neccessity :) |
| 00:31.22 | cbreak | well, maybe not these days |
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| 00:36.35 | Tem | cbreak, we didn't move groups on vael |
| 00:36.36 | lagger | where does the default gametooltip do the addlines |
| 00:36.39 | Tem | and we killed him just fine |
| 00:36.42 | lagger | when you mouseover a unit |
| 00:36.44 | Tem | lagger, it doesn't |
| 00:36.46 | Tem | it cheats |
| 00:36.54 | Tem | it all happens in C |
| 00:36.58 | lagger | oh |
| 00:37.16 | cbreak | Tem: sure you can. But it was easier for us to do it that way :) |
| 00:37.45 | Tem | I just remember it was hell when your group's healer died |
| 00:38.09 | lagger | does it call a function UpdateTooltip? |
| 00:38.11 | cbreak | we moved people in groups with empty spots |
| 00:38.28 | cbreak | unless I forgot :/ |
| 00:38.55 | cbreak | sometimes one healer also jumped in between two groups and aoe healed both |
| 00:39.08 | cbreak | I think we gave up on that though :) |
| 00:42.17 | Tem | actually, I just asked my raid leader from back then |
| 00:42.28 | Tem | we moved groups too |
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| 00:42.40 | Tem | I was frostbolt spam back then so I really didn't know any better... |
| 00:45.35 | erikd | can anyone get on northrend? |
| 00:47.28 | Corrodias | yes. |
| 00:47.32 | Corrodias | oh wait |
| 00:47.40 | Corrodias | no. not having an active account means no. :( |
| 00:49.35 | Lopeppeppy | Beta client/Vista question: Tracker not responding even though I forwarded all the ports, and can log into the regular game just fine... anyone have vague ideas why Vista hates my Beta? |
| 00:50.03 | Tem | Lopeppeppy, use a real torrent client imo |
| 00:50.13 | Neuro_Medivh | probably because Beta isn't a Microsoft product |
| 00:50.16 | cbreak | local app firewall? |
| 00:50.32 | cbreak | I think even xp had something like that |
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| 00:50.38 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, you're right, torrent. Local app firewall taken care of as well, cbreak. Ports are open for regular Bliz game downloads, just not beta. |
| 00:50.43 | Lopeppeppy | It's probably the torrent, hmm. |
| 00:51.07 | cbreak | or... maybe the trackers are really down :) |
| 00:51.26 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, I had this problem Friday before I went away too, I'm sure it's my computer being a bastich. |
| 00:52.17 | cbreak | erikd: I just logged in in dalaran, so it's up |
| 00:52.51 | erikd | server just hates me i guess |
| 00:52.57 | erikd | good time to go get some food |
| 00:56.47 | cbreak | I feel like in the good old days... as soon as I log in I get a whisper asking for a portal |
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| 00:59.05 | lagger | when you mouseover a unit does gametooltip add the lines before it calls onupdate |
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| 01:21.48 | Gnarfoz | how do I find out which mouse button a button was clicked with? :X |
| 01:23.21 | cbreak | in a macro? |
| 01:23.25 | cbreak | or an addon? |
| 01:23.40 | Gnarfoz | in a /script portion of a macro |
| 01:23.44 | Gnarfoz | hence, "addon style" |
| 01:24.17 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 01:24.30 | cbreak | in an addon you would do it in http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnClick |
| 01:24.51 | Gnarfoz | I can't change the button |
| 01:25.31 | cbreak | there's also GetMouseButtonClicked() I think |
| 01:25.35 | Gnarfoz | also, the buttons register for AnyUp, so when the macro is run, the button is not down anymore :> |
| 01:25.37 | cbreak | it's supposed to return a string |
| 01:25.55 | Gnarfoz | that sounds good |
| 01:26.06 | Gnarfoz | yeah that works. |
| 01:26.09 | Gnarfoz | thanks =D |
| 01:26.22 | cbreak | np |
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| 01:55.24 | Syzgyn | WTB non-terrible mage for Council tank |
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| 01:56.03 | kd3 | I'm still in T4/T5 gear, but sure |
| 01:56.30 | Syzgyn | if you can hit 10k hp while hitcapped, you're good |
| 01:57.25 | Tekkub | anyone ripped apart how item's stat budgets are calculated? |
| 01:57.37 | Tekkub | all I'm finding on the wiki is wow 1.0 stuff |
| 01:58.17 | Neuro_Medivh | I thought the 1.0 stuff was still valid, except for stamina being 66% cheaper now |
| 01:58.47 | Tem | tekkub's not interested in individual stat costs, I don't think |
| 01:59.00 | Tekkub | not exactly no... |
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| 01:59.02 | Tem | I think he's more looking for "this is how much 'budget points |
| 01:59.05 | Tekkub | here's what I want to do |
| 01:59.21 | Tem | ' we have to spend on this item given it's ilvl, slot and quality' |
| 01:59.26 | Tem | ' |
| 01:59.28 | Tekkub | if I have two green items I can compare the ilevel to get a good estimate of which is "better" |
| 01:59.56 | Tekkub | but if I have a green and a blue I can't, because at equal ilevel the blue has more stats |
| 02:00.12 | Tekkub | so I want to take the ilevel and "weight" it with the quality |
| 02:00.13 | Neuro_Medivh | then just convert the blue into an equivilent ilvl green |
| 02:00.25 | Tekkub | so I can get an estimated comparison across qualities |
| 02:00.40 | Tem | Neuro_Medivh, that's what he needs to know how to do |
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| 02:00.54 | Tem | what's the formula for 'budget points' |
| 02:00.56 | Tekkub | I need weights! |
| 02:01.23 | Tem | hmm |
| 02:01.38 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Level_(Item) |
| 02:01.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Uncommon: ilvl = ItemSlotValue * 2.0 + 8.00 Rare: ilvl = ItemSlotValue * 1.8 + 0.75 Epic: ilvl = ItemSlotValue * 1.2 + 26 |
| 02:01.56 | Tekkub | most the info there seems to be wow 1.0 |
| 02:02.07 | Neuro_Medivh | the itemslotvalue formula is still valid |
| 02:02.26 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Item_Values |
| 02:02.32 | Neuro_Medivh | so an ilvl 100 item = (100-8)/2 |
| 02:02.32 | Tekkub | are the itemslotvalues listed somewhere? |
| 02:02.46 | Neuro_Medivh | you just figure it out from the rarity |
| 02:03.00 | Neuro_Medivh | so a green ilvl100 item = 46 |
| 02:03.01 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 02:04.04 | Neuro_Medivh | a blue ilvl90 item would be (90-.75)/1.8 |
| 02:04.46 | Neuro_Medivh | which is 49 or so |
| 02:05.01 | Neuro_Medivh | so the blue item would be 'better' |
| 02:07.49 | Tekkub | so I get... green_ilevel = (ilevel - 0.75)/0.9 + 8 |
| 02:07.52 | Tekkub | for a blue item |
| 02:08.35 | Neuro_Medivh | sounds about right |
| 02:12.22 | Tekkub | which works out to... http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=42849 is roughly equal to my Primal Mooncloth Robe |
| 02:14.37 | NightHawkTheSane | eyeballing the actual stats.. thats probably close yeah |
| 02:19.02 | Syzgyn | whats spell power work out in healing? |
| 02:19.36 | Shirik | oh, alar moutn |
| 02:19.38 | Shirik | yey |
| 02:19.39 | kd3 | I still wanna say 1 spellpower is around 1.8 heal |
| 02:19.50 | Syzgyn | alright |
| 02:25.14 | durcyn | 1.86 |
| 02:29.19 | Shirik | anyone have an SMTP server I can use ^_^ |
| 02:29.27 | Shirik | (that forwards from any domain) |
| 02:29.29 | Tekkub | I bet your ISP does |
| 02:29.38 | Shirik | My ISP refuses to use the from header I'm supplying |
| 02:29.47 | Tekkub | oh, then you're fucked |
| 02:29.52 | Shirik | And I don't want to use a Reply-To field |
| 02:33.07 | Shirik | maybe brighthouse has one |
| 02:33.09 | Shirik | I've only ever used Cox |
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| 02:35.12 | kd3 | whee. internal bag error, then "disconnected" |
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| 02:36.36 | Shirik | kd3: Good job |
| 02:36.39 | Shirik | you killed the server |
| 02:36.44 | Shirik | You owe blizzard monies now |
| 02:39.41 | Tem | well that's lame |
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| 02:40.16 | Tem | All the blue-quality, melee, plate, quest reward bracers are from horde-only quests |
| 02:41.34 | ccox | Tem - there are always matching alliance quests, or are you referring to some specific list? |
| 02:41.44 | Tem | wotlk |
| 02:42.09 | Tem | if there are supposed to be alliance versions of these quests, wowhead either doesn't know about them yet, or they don't exist |
| 02:43.30 | ccox | are you looking at live or LK? |
| 02:43.48 | ccox | Live, I'm sure they exist |
| 02:43.53 | ccox | LK, eh, maybe they don't |
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| 02:45.45 | kd3 | sigh... just as I ask |
| 02:45.46 | kd3 | >.> |
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| 02:46.07 | Tekkub | I love seeing 15 disconnects fly by and waiting for yours to happen |
| 02:46.30 | erikd | i didn't get to see if the level of the guildie's soul matters =/ |
| 02:46.40 | sacarasc | i prefer it when you don't get disconnected when 15 others do |
| 02:46.46 | Tekkub | I said "probably has to award honor or exp" |
| 02:47.09 | erikd | i can live with that |
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| 02:50.18 | Shirik|Ecole | wtf |
| 02:50.25 | Shirik|Ecole | my laptop sees an IPv6 DNS server |
| 02:50.31 | Shirik|Ecole | so... it's trying to use that for everything |
| 02:50.35 | Shirik|Ecole | even though it's not responding to anything |
| 02:53.25 | erikd | awww |
| 02:53.32 | erikd | mysqlgame went down now too |
| 02:53.38 | erikd | everything i touch dies >< |
| 02:56.11 | Syzgyn | nooo :( |
| 02:56.49 | ccox | I tell you, that game really is just a mySQL abusive test case .... |
| 02:57.16 | Shirik | oh my |
| 02:57.18 | Shirik | finally got through |
| 02:57.23 | Shirik | "Downloading message 1 of 9435..." |
| 03:04.48 | Syzgyn | Shirik: what of? |
| 03:04.56 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:05.12 | Syzgyn | Downloading messages? |
| 03:05.22 | Shirik | email from school |
| 03:05.30 | Syzgyn | oh fun |
| 03:05.37 | Syzgyn | just a little behind are we? |
| 03:05.38 | sacarasc | 9436 of them will be spam |
| 03:06.03 | Shirik | nah |
| 03:06.08 | Shirik | just 9000 of them will be lua-l |
| 03:06.16 | Shirik | this is post-spamcheck |
| 03:06.31 | Shirik | I have something like a year of lua-l in here |
| 03:08.06 | Shirik | "Welcome to your upgraded email" |
| 03:08.08 | Shirik | wtf is this |
| 03:08.12 | Shirik | just received it |
| 03:08.26 | Shirik | from IT |
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| 03:12.54 | Shirik | ok uh |
| 03:13.01 | Shirik | I'm going to get in bed while I wait for this >.> |
| 03:13.04 | Shirik | damn |
| 03:14.46 | Shirik|zZz | 9:15 classes 3 days a week :( |
| 03:14.52 | Shirik|zZz | wtb noon classes again |
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| 03:17.06 | Amarande | hmm, suggestion for you beta people to forward to blizz |
| 03:17.23 | Amarande | Allow Anzu to be summoned on normal mode after WOTLK (maybe make the raven lord mount still a heroic only drop, though) |
| 03:17.52 | Amarande | sound like a good idea? |
| 03:18.46 | Shirik|zZz | justification? |
| 03:19.06 | Amarande | Shirik: the fact that when WOTLK comes out, Blizzard is likely to set up another set of new servers, like they did with BC |
| 03:19.24 | Amarande | Now ... at 80, heroic Sethekk will be a cakewalk |
| 03:19.53 | Amarande | however, it will be hair-pullingly difficult for druids on those new servers, to find a group of people who actually bothered to get honored with LC during their stay in Outland, and thus are actually able to have Auchindoun heroic keys |
| 03:20.16 | Amarande | It's really not something I expect people on newer servers to bother with, unless they are hardcore about achievements |
| 03:20.27 | Amarande | (getting faction for heroic keys for 70 that is) |
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| 03:20.51 | Amarande | Basically, I don't want to see swift flight form be another screw-over like pallies and locks face now with their epic ground mounts |
| 03:20.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i can see that point of view.. and i kind of agree with it.. |
| 03:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | but on the other hand.. epic flight form is 100% superfluous in terms of basic functionality |
| 03:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | there's no need to pander to druids specifically |
| 03:21.39 | NightHawkTheSane | you basically made the counter argument yourself |
| 03:22.26 | Shirik|Ecole | ok, wtf |
| 03:22.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I got this email on outlook |
| 03:22.34 | Amarande | it's still considered by many to be a salient feature of the druid class |
| 03:22.38 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's not in my inbox on the web-based client |
| 03:23.00 | Amarande | the fact that, for instance, you can go into swift flight form instantly, instead of a 3 second cast like a normal epic flying mount sets it even more apart than the lock/pally mounts |
| 03:23.07 | Amarande | (since those have the same cast time as a normal bought mount) |
| 03:23.16 | NightHawkTheSane | it's very iconic, and unique, but it really doesn't give you distinct functionality that's neccessary to the class |
| 03:23.49 | Amarande | and probably won't be quite as epicfail as something Blizzard did with BC |
| 03:24.01 | Amarande | the worst mount quest design? 100% surely the BE epic pally mount |
| 03:24.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, i didn't have a huge problem with it |
| 03:24.51 | Amarande | Night: depends on server |
| 03:25.02 | Amarande | Stratholme is still oddly enough popular in some places, like Quel'dorei |
| 03:25.17 | NightHawkTheSane | well, ill be fair, i had friends to help |
| 03:25.19 | Amarande | and the achievements will help people get groups too |
| 03:25.32 | Shirik|Ecole | I dunno I see both sides to this |
| 03:25.36 | Amarande | in any case, I had to PUG for both the pally and warlock epic mounts |
| 03:25.41 | Shirik|Ecole | (1) It requires Blizzard intervention to make it work for non-heroic |
| 03:25.52 | Amarande | the pally one, I did on Quel'dorei and it happened quickly enough |
| 03:25.59 | Shirik|Ecole | (2) Druids want their mounts more than pallies because of the instant cast |
| 03:26.11 | Shirik|Ecole | (3) Pallies don't want druids to have it because they didn't get special treatment |
| 03:26.23 | Amarande | the lock one ... I did on Turalyon, and it was hair pulling to get groups |
| 03:26.34 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly, the only -compelling- reason i see for blizzard to make the change is because it requires 4 -other- people with heroic keys |
| 03:26.42 | Amarande | Yeah, that's what I'm pointing to |
| 03:26.52 | Shirik|Ecole | I, however, don't see how that's a real issue |
| 03:26.56 | NightHawkTheSane | that, straight up, is the only reason to even consider |
| 03:26.56 | Shirik|Ecole | it's no longer revered for heroic keys |
| 03:26.59 | Amarande | the fact that, especially on WOTLK release servers, it will be near impossible to find people with heroic keys (until they open to transfers, anyway) |
| 03:27.05 | Shirik|Ecole | Heroic is easy |
| 03:27.06 | Amarande | Depends on the faction, really |
| 03:27.09 | Shirik|Ecole | er, honored |
| 03:27.18 | Shirik|Ecole | There's a million things to do for LC |
| 03:27.19 | Amarande | For something like say Thrallmar, you have no excuse to not be honored |
| 03:27.27 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, I'm not sure if you'd hit honored with LC blitzing through outland a few months down the line |
| 03:27.28 | Amarande | Shirik: how many that don't need an instance group? |
| 03:27.41 | Shirik|Ecole | There's quite a few quests, Amarande |
| 03:27.43 | Amarande | Basically, blitzing through Outland ... |
| 03:27.52 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, let me check my DK |
| 03:27.59 | Amarande | I'd expect almost everyone to be honored with Thrallmar/Honor Hold |
| 03:28.04 | Amarande | and probably with Cenarion Expedition as well |
| 03:28.10 | Gngsk | lower city? |
| 03:28.13 | Amarande | LC is iffy, and CoT and Sha'tar probably almost no one |
| 03:28.15 | Shirik|Ecole | yes |
| 03:28.26 | Shirik|Ecole | I can understand CoT and Sha'tar |
| 03:28.44 | Amarande | maybe the solution is just to remove the faction requirement altogether for the heroic keys? |
| 03:28.51 | Amarande | er. the rep requirement |
| 03:28.59 | Shirik|Ecole | sigh |
| 03:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Hmm. I got halfway to honored with LC on my dk. |
| 03:29.24 | Shirik|Ecole | I was mad enough when they brought it down from revered :P |
| 03:29.37 | Amarande | Shirik: a necessary change, IMO |
| 03:29.45 | Shirik|Ecole | oh no |
| 03:29.49 | Shirik|Ecole | I think a horrible change |
| 03:29.56 | Gngsk | why? |
| 03:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik|Ecole: eh, the content was still vaguely relevant at the time, though. In wotlk, it wont really be relevant at all. |
| 03:29.59 | Shirik|Ecole | all of a sudden you have people "lololololol I can do heroic let's go" |
| 03:30.01 | Amarande | at honored, you basically lose the ability to get rep from sub-70 instances, right? |
| 03:30.06 | Shirik|Ecole | I agree NightHawkTheSane |
| 03:30.13 | Amarande | except for sethekk and I think CoT instances |
| 03:30.18 | Gngsk | Shirik|Ecole, and why does that bother you? |
| 03:30.21 | Shirik|Ecole | Amarande: Only sub-70 instances |
| 03:30.31 | Shirik|Ecole | Gngsk: Because I can't stand idiots in my groups |
| 03:30.34 | NightHawkTheSane | then again, onyxia hasn't ben relevant for a long time, and you still have to get keyed for that ..> |
| 03:30.35 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 03:30.49 | Amarande | On many servers at this point in BC's evolution, it's really hard to find enough groups for the 70 instances on normal mode to make up the rep to get to revered |
| 03:30.54 | Amarande | which would leave a lot of people stranded |
| 03:31.05 | Gngsk | you get to decide who joins your group, so don't allow an idiot to join |
| 03:31.16 | Amarande | with the skill to do heroic (alts, perhaps?) but lacking the ability to obtain the instance groups needed to grind the rest of the rep to get the key to make the jump to heroic |
| 03:31.20 | Thunder_Child | ghukaho;fozkphwu |
| 03:31.22 | Shirik|Ecole | Gngsk: Sadly, you don't usually find out until you're actually in |
| 03:31.26 | Shirik|Ecole | Thunder_Child o.o |
| 03:31.28 | Amarande | Especially places like, say, Thrallmar. |
| 03:31.28 | Shirik|Ecole | hi |
| 03:31.43 | Amarande | Thrallmar your ONLY option after honored is Shattered Halls and heroic grinding, right? |
| 03:31.51 | Thunder_Child | and that was a lovely performance of "glasses falling on keyboard" |
| 03:31.52 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 03:31.58 | Shirik|Ecole | your only option after honored is do more quests |
| 03:32.04 | Shirik|Ecole | because you should easily get to revered |
| 03:32.13 | Amarande | ok, let's say someone didn't know about the avoiding quests trick |
| 03:32.15 | Shirik|Ecole | there's SO MUCH in HFP |
| 03:32.22 | Amarande | or rushed to outland at 58 and used all those quests to get to 60 |
| 03:32.27 | Shirik|Ecole | I did that too |
| 03:32.30 | Shirik|Ecole | I still have no problem |
| 03:32.33 | Amarande | unless you expect them to be into pvp enough to do the pvp daily enough times ... |
| 03:32.42 | Shirik|Ecole | You don't get less rep from being lower level... |
| 03:32.55 | Amarande | Shirik: the point is that they'd have used up the quests then on the way *to* honored |
| 03:33.02 | Shirik|Ecole | sure |
| 03:33.03 | Amarande | thus have nowhere near enough quest rep left to get to revered |
| 03:33.04 | Shirik|Ecole | and then to revered |
| 03:33.14 | Shirik|Ecole | you should get to within 1-2 runs easily |
| 03:33.15 | Amarande | how much quest rep is there from thrallmar? I forget offhand |
| 03:33.18 | Shirik|Ecole | a lot |
| 03:33.21 | Shirik|Ecole | just put it at that |
| 03:33.35 | Amarande | however, getting a group for normal shattered halls is that hard |
| 03:33.49 | Amarande | at least on the servers I've played as a 70 on |
| 03:33.52 | Shirik|Ecole | you can also farm shattered halls if you really want to |
| 03:33.59 | Shirik|Ecole | not so much anymore though |
| 03:34.10 | Shirik|Ecole | the first pulls are solo though |
| 03:34.11 | Amarande | and I can understand it, SH is an unforgiving enough instance that you may as well just do HSH |
| 03:34.36 | Amarande | as long as the tank and healer are good enough, I can hardly think of a group that can do normal SH that can't hack HSH |
| 03:37.30 | Amarande | and yeah, one problem with heroic groups is it's really hard to gauge skill |
| 03:37.42 | Amarande | that and the fact that it's really easy to have five awesome players who epicfail as a group |
| 03:38.28 | Amarande | say, speaking of attunements |
| 03:38.38 | Hirsute | It isn't always solely about "good" enough for the tank with SH/HSH... that's one of those instances that seems to be heavily geared toward non-warrior tanks. |
| 03:38.40 | Amarande | is it necessary to do both of the BC Caverns of Time instances to be able to go to CoT Strat at 80? |
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| 03:40.50 | Amarande | I know you have to do OHB to go to BM, I get this thought that you probably have to do BM to unlock Strat |
| 03:42.50 | Thunder_Child | quiet, you people are making me want to play |
| 03:44.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: something tells me not, but it would be hilarious if you did |
| 03:44.11 | kd3 | whee, wrath bug: http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6388/wowscrnshot082408234158xc7.jpg |
| 03:44.12 | Wobin | if you do instances before you do the quests, you can get halfway through honoured with HH/thrallmar |
| 03:44.28 | Wobin | maybe 2/3 of the way through |
| 03:44.38 | erikd | what's wrong with that? |
| 03:44.43 | erikd | :) |
| 03:44.44 | Wobin | nothing wrong |
| 03:45.20 | Wobin | it's like a flea |
| 03:45.25 | Wobin | with another flea on it |
| 03:54.33 | Amarande | Wobin: and if you don't do any instances at all before you do the quests, such as your typical 58 walking into Outland and not theorycrafting on rep before deciding what to do? |
| 03:54.48 | Amarande | assuming you had no access to heroic, how many SH runs is it then? |
| 03:56.00 | Wobin | wowreputationcalculator.com/ |
| 03:56.18 | AnduinLothar | Death Knight Initiate says: Remember this day, Deathbecomes, for it is the day that you will be thoroughly owned. |
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| 03:56.46 | Wobin | hello fourth wall, I'm sorry you've beeen obliterated |
| 03:58.09 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, obliterate isn't all that good. :p |
| 03:58.16 | NightHawkTheSane | also, to hell with you world server |
| 03:58.42 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:58.45 | Amarande | another suggestion for wotlk, too |
| 03:58.50 | Amarande | a new engineering item: "item scope" |
| 03:59.01 | Neuro_Medivh | obliterate used to be better |
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| 03:59.26 | Amarande | it would work like this: a consumable, that when used on an item in your inventory, would allow you to track specific mobs that carry that item for drop |
| 03:59.29 | Neuro_Medivh | when it had Might of Mograine attached to it |
| 04:00.00 | Neuro_Medivh | Amarande, that sounds tailor made for gold farmers |
| 04:00.10 | Amarande | Neuro: I wasn't thinking about them |
| 04:00.17 | Amarande | I was thinking about people trying to find those elusive quest items |
| 04:00.32 | Amarande | it would make eng a star profession, for sure |
| 04:01.30 | Amarande | I try not to think about the activities of gold farmers :) |
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| 04:02.36 | Amarande | I'm surprised gold farming is even still profitable, with the devaluation of the gold piece due to dailies |
| 04:02.48 | NightHawkTheSane | there's always some lazy moron willing to pay for it |
| 04:03.22 | Amarande | I guess it's a game design philosophy, whether the first point should be to design around the cheaters to frustrate them, or to make the first priority be good things for the legitimate players |
| 04:03.41 | Amarande | maybe make the item scope only work on quest items, then? though that makes it a little limited of an idea |
| 04:04.12 | NightHawkTheSane | re: "item scope" the solution to "elusive quest items" is not to make things like that, but to make the quest less dumb :p |
| 04:04.53 | Syzgyn | *sigh* Our pally tank keeps eating Shears |
| 04:05.45 | erikd | wouldn't it be hard to have a pally tanking illidan? |
| 04:06.04 | Syzgyn | why so? |
| 04:06.13 | erikd | you need 100% avoidance to avoid shear |
| 04:06.20 | Syzgyn | holy shield? |
| 04:06.57 | Wobin | I just saw $5->1000g |
| 04:07.10 | Syzgyn | geeze |
| 04:07.27 | Amarande | Wobin: yeah, gold is losing its value even faster than the USD lol |
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| 04:07.43 | Amarande | it also just occurred to me that itemscopes and such would make it -harder- on the gold farmers |
| 04:07.46 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, zing. |
| 04:07.48 | erikd | hmm, i thought prot pallies only had a reactive shield block thing |
| 04:07.49 | Amarande | because it would make it easier for people to farm their own mats |
| 04:08.03 | Amarande | which in turn would mean the price of mats on the AH would plummet, removing half the reason to buy gold in the first place |
| 04:08.03 | Wobin | why spend gold on an engineering item |
| 04:08.08 | Wobin | when you can buy it for $5 |
| 04:08.55 | erikd | syzgyn: is the tank saving holy shield for when illidan's casting shear? |
| 04:09.19 | ccox | Wobin - shhhh, don't let my manager hear you say that! |
| 04:09.31 | Amarande | erikd: the point of holy shield is that you're supposed to always use it, no? |
| 04:09.49 | erikd | not if you're getting hit more than 4 times in 10s |
| 04:09.58 | erikd | and you need to be sure you don't get sheared |
| 04:09.58 | Amarande | erikd: if his HS has only four charges |
| 04:10.04 | Amarande | then he needs to l2talentbuild |
| 04:10.20 | Amarande | a tankadin without 2/2 IHS is fail |
| 04:11.13 | Amarande | in any case, making mats more common would probably ruin the gold farmers pretty well |
| 04:11.25 | Amarande | I think that's how Guild Wars holds it in check pretty much, despite an endless, incurable tide of bots in that game |
| 04:11.49 | Amarande | they just tend to keep stuff from becoming or staying valuable enough in trade that people have an incentive to buy gold |
| 04:12.25 | Amarande | apparently, suggesting that WoW adopt GW ideas though is considered tres faux pas though :S |
| 04:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | .. i think this meat has gone bad. shit. |
| 04:12.56 | Amarande | Night: you're not supposed to eat the toxic helboar meat :) |
| 04:13.09 | NightHawkTheSane | well i didn't eat it.. yet.. |
| 04:13.11 | erikd | this pally tanking illidan guide on the wow-eu forums says you want the holy shield cd to line up with shear |
| 04:13.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i just.. cooked it >.> |
| 04:13.21 | Amarande | I had a couple of ideas from GW that seem like they would be REALLY nice for WoW, and I still got put on iggy for it by a couple folks :| |
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| 04:13.41 | Syzgyn | iggy? |
| 04:13.44 | Amarande | ignore :| |
| 04:13.48 | Syzgyn | oh, right |
| 04:13.59 | Amarande | Idea the first: A built-in multi guild alliance chat system |
| 04:14.36 | Amarande | there's apparently addons to do it now, but nothing so elegant as GW's alliance chat channel |
| 04:14.37 | Syzgyn | what would be the point of a guild if you can talk to other guilds? |
| 04:14.53 | Amarande | Syzgyn: to allow smaller guilds that band together in raid alliance arrangements etc. to communicate more easily |
| 04:15.17 | Amarande | Idea the second: More variance in the look of high end gear |
| 04:15.24 | NightHawkTheSane | people put you on ignore for having ideas they didn't like? |
| 04:15.27 | erikd | there used to be a group of 3 guilds called the MLA on my server that used to raid pre-bc, that would've been nice for them |
| 04:15.28 | Amarande | Night: yeah :| |
| 04:15.29 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 04:15.34 | Thrae | Syzgyn: Other games already have this feature. Even before Guild Wars, DAoC had "Alliances" of Guilds. |
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| 04:15.45 | Syzgyn | Having been in a small guild alliance once upon a time, It'd be so much easier for everyone to either 1) have a channel dedicated for it, or 2) merge the guilds |
| 04:16.05 | erikd | i'm still waiting for gear manneqiuns |
| 04:16.06 | Thrae | Syzgyn: I believe Warhammer will have something like that. |
| 04:16.10 | erikd | mannequin even |
| 04:16.28 | Syzgyn | erikd: you mean like the dressing room? |
| 04:16.29 | Amarande | Basically, in Guild Wars, high end experienced players have widely varying looks to taste, even among the same class |
| 04:16.44 | erikd | syz: no, like somewhere i can put my t1/2/3/etc |
| 04:16.45 | Amarande | in WoW, the downside of the tier system is that high end PvE players of a given class pretty much all look the same |
| 04:16.47 | Syzgyn | oh |
| 04:16.51 | Syzgyn | yeah, that'd be really nice |
| 04:16.57 | erikd | i spent a lot of time getting it and i hate having to shard it to make more room |
| 04:17.00 | Syzgyn | mmm |
| 04:17.13 | Syzgyn | yeah, Ive got my full T0.5 set in my bank still :P |
| 04:17.22 | Amarande | yet Blizzard seems to even be against the idea of dye being usable on gear like you can do in GW |
| 04:17.28 | erikd | i had to shard my t1 to make room for my other stuff |
| 04:17.40 | Amarande | the only way for an alternative look is to equip geer. |
| 04:17.40 | erikd | when wotlk comes out i'll probably have to shard t4 and 5 |
| 04:17.45 | Syzgyn | Amarande: that'd take even more re-texturing work than they already do |
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| 04:17.59 | Amarande | geer meaning "gear that isn't good enough to be really considered being 'geared'" lol |
| 04:18.01 | Syzgyn | I never got more than 2 pieces of T4 or T5 |
| 04:18.10 | Syzgyn | I always use more off-set stuff as fury :P |
| 04:18.33 | Wobin | g2g is good |
| 04:18.38 | Wobin | for multiguild communication |
| 04:18.41 | Amarande | yeah, what I meant by 'alliance chat' |
| 04:18.50 | Amarande | is something like a more integrated into the game version of g2g and the like |
| 04:18.51 | Wobin | that's what my guild uses |
| 04:19.08 | Amarande | like maybe a way for guild officers to have a 'guild friends list'? |
| 04:19.19 | Amarande | and a special chat channel that goes between guilds that are mutual on that |
| 04:20.15 | Amarande | Syzgyn: well, they could come up with some way to like "transfer the essence" between gear items? |
| 04:20.18 | Amarande | like say you have two pieces of gear |
| 04:20.22 | Amarande | one is epic, but you don't like the look |
| 04:20.27 | Amarande | one is green, but looks lovely to you |
| 04:20.44 | Amarande | some sort of way (consumable item maybe?) to transfer the attributes of the first item to the second? |
| 04:20.53 | Amarande | making the second functionally identical, but with its old look |
| 04:21.05 | Amarande | (first item is destroyed in the process) |
| 04:22.06 | Amarande | The way GW made it work, was to make all armor come 'blank' (with small class specific bonuses) and then you used modifier items to put the real stuff on things |
| 04:22.19 | Amarande | actually that seems a good idea for inscription |
| 04:22.21 | Syzgyn | Amarande: the problem with that is watching a hordewalk up to you in the twill set and wtfpwn you for 5k |
| 04:22.29 | Syzgyn | s/hordewalk/horde walk |
| 04:22.46 | Amarande | being able to pull the attributes en bloc off an item and make it an enchant, but one that instead of being a normal enchant, fully replaces the target item's attributes with those of the old one |
| 04:23.04 | Amarande | Syzgyn: yeah, that's Blizzard's excuse |
| 04:23.09 | Syzgyn | its a good excuse |
| 04:23.13 | Amarande | that they want gear appearance to stand out in pvp |
| 04:23.22 | Amarande | otoh |
| 04:23.23 | kd3 | har @ xkcd |
| 04:23.27 | Amarande | GW is virtually entirely focused on pvp |
| 04:23.35 | Amarande | and you never know at all what the mods are on enemy armor |
| 04:23.38 | Amarande | and yet it worked beautifully |
| 04:23.46 | NightHawkTheSane | well, thing is, gw and wow are two very different games |
| 04:23.57 | NightHawkTheSane | so comparing certain things between them just doesn't work quite right |
| 04:24.00 | NightHawkTheSane | gear is probably one. |
| 04:24.19 | Amarande | I'm just saying, that the idea that your opponent needs to be an open book to properly PvP against them isn't true |
| 04:24.43 | Amarande | In GW, you're completely in the dark as to what your opponents have and can do except for their classes, and what skills they actually use |
| 04:24.57 | Syzgyn | I'm not saying it'd break PvP |
| 04:25.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont know that pvp is the strict reason blizzard wants armor to stand out the way it does |
| 04:25.15 | Syzgyn | but it would get exploited for that purpose |
| 04:26.07 | NightHawkTheSane | sure, i'm just saying thats not THE ONLY reason |
| 04:27.05 | NightHawkTheSane | blizzard has said on several occasions that they want the style of the game to be very over-the-top, grandiose, etc. the armor styles help accomplish that. |
| 04:29.06 | Wobin | kd3, randy takes his research srsly |
| 04:30.47 | NightHawkTheSane | baked potatoes may be the best thing ever. |
| 04:34.48 | Untitled-10FA147 | NightHawkTheSane, no |
| 04:34.58 | Syzgyn | Untitled: Blasphemy! |
| 04:38.35 | Wobin | meh |
| 04:38.42 | Wobin | I lose all appetite when I'm overtired |
| 04:39.03 | Wobin | it's like 2:30pm and I realise i need to eat lunch |
| 04:39.07 | Wobin | but I'm just not hungry at all |
| 04:42.03 | Thunder_Child | oh lol, i was untitled |
| 04:42.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: i do the same thing if i forget to eat dinner, it gets really late, and i know i SHOULD eat, but meh |
| 04:52.35 | Syzgyn | Socially accepted meal times are overrated |
| 04:53.59 | Syzgyn | Eat until you're tired, then sleep until you're hungry! |
| 04:56.14 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane, ever since I moved out, I'm fine with cooking stuff really late |
| 04:56.24 | Wobin | previously didn't want to wake my parents |
| 04:56.35 | Wobin | but now, cooking at 1am is fine =P |
| 04:57.05 | Wobin | 3pm |
| 04:57.11 | Wobin | still not hungry =P |
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| 05:07.50 | Syzgyn | Wobin: where are you located? |
| 05:08.01 | Wobin | sydney |
| 05:08.13 | Syzgyn | That'd explain it :) |
| 05:08.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: its not that i dont want to cook (although, laziness doesn't help) its just that i'm NOT hungry then, ill make something, but just eat like half of it. :\ |
| 05:08.40 | Syzgyn | I hate cooking for just myself. |
| 05:08.47 | Wobin | same |
| 05:08.51 | Wobin | I make something |
| 05:08.56 | Wobin | then eat it for the rest of the week |
| 05:09.09 | Syzgyn | when I was living with roomates, I was much more inclined to cook something when I knew I wasnt going to be the only one eating it |
| 05:09.16 | Syzgyn | It makes the time more worthwhike |
| 05:09.25 | Wobin | so I try to make stuff that can be eaten with pasta/rice/bread/omlette/etc |
| 05:09.50 | Wobin | I hardly bake anymore |
| 05:09.57 | Wobin | cause I would never be able to eat it all |
| 05:10.15 | Wobin | also, cause I have a tiny convection microwave instead of a normal oven =( |
| 05:10.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i end up making a lot of frozen food >< |
| 05:10.18 | Syzgyn | I dunno, there's lots of things you can bake in individual servings |
| 05:10.27 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: Same here |
| 05:10.31 | Wobin | storage is then the problem =) |
| 05:10.49 | Thunder_Child | i had an old aussie guild mate that was a pastry chef, his profession was amusing since he did the guilds cooking. |
| 05:10.56 | Wobin | hehe |
| 05:11.06 | Syzgyn | you dont have room in your fridge for a tupperware container of burritos |
| 05:11.06 | Syzgyn | ? |
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| 05:12.56 | Keias | Thunder_Child: where did you play? o_O |
| 05:13.04 | Keias | Cause I have an aussie guild mate that's a pastry chef |
| 05:13.05 | Keias | lol |
| 05:13.10 | Thunder_Child | Dreanor |
| 05:13.16 | Thunder_Child | or however it's spelled |
| 05:13.17 | Keias | Ah, different guys then |
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| 05:14.58 | Thunder_Child | Keias, what char name? |
| 05:15.07 | Keias | Robstar |
| 05:15.08 | Thunder_Child | server xfers are possible |
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| 05:15.14 | Keias | Well I've known the guy for a while |
| 05:15.21 | Keias | And I think he's only played on Archimonde and Blackrock |
| 05:15.22 | Thunder_Child | more than a year? |
| 05:15.25 | Thunder_Child | ah, ok |
| 05:15.27 | Keias | about 5ish |
| 05:15.33 | Amarande | yay for hamburger helper. |
| 05:15.44 | Thunder_Child | wow has been out for more than 5 years? |
| 05:16.16 | NightHawkTheSane | at least 4... |
| 05:17.04 | Wobin | by baking, I mean cakes and cookies and the like |
| 05:18.17 | Syzgyn | Aha, yeah I can understand that |
| 05:29.01 | Keias | I met him before WoW :P |
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| 05:32.59 | AnduinLothar | lol i love Keleseth's Persuaders |
| 05:35.57 | Thunder_Child | ~cannibalism |
| 05:36.11 | Thunder_Child | ~cannibalism Thunder_Child |
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| 05:37.39 | AnduinLothar | Scarlet Marksman says: Look out! There's a bee loose and it's on a stinging rampage! |
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| 05:40.42 | Amarande | I always wondered what those guys in SM were saying. :) |
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| 05:51.46 | Thunder_Child | something along the lines of a temporal anomaly and the fact that they keep getting fucked over by adventurers |
| 05:53.15 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:53.22 | Amarande | can H sethekk be done with a shaman healer, or is a priest a necessity? |
| 05:53.27 | Amarande | we keep wiping on Syth |
| 05:53.47 | Wobster | dps race =\ |
| 05:54.04 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty sure i've healed it on my shaman |
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| 05:54.09 | Amarande | something tells me it's because we don't have enough dispel power to keep getting rid of the debuffs from the adds so we don't take illidan grade damage from every minor little spell |
| 05:54.29 | NightHawkTheSane | syth is the one that summons the elementals, yeah? |
| 05:54.30 | Wobster | huh, never dispelled any debuffs =) |
| 05:54.41 | NightHawkTheSane | slow dps is often good for that fight |
| 05:54.43 | nevcairiel | I healed syth as a druid, not even the possibility of a dispel |
| 05:55.00 | Wobster | heroic is a pain though |
| 05:55.05 | NightHawkTheSane | burn him till adds spawn, kill the adds, wash rinse repeat? |
| 05:55.06 | Wobster | he summons so many of the buggers |
| 05:55.07 | nevcairiel | fear the adds, dps him down =P |
| 05:55.11 | Wobster | yeah |
| 05:55.16 | Wobster | slow dps works for normal |
| 05:55.24 | Wobster | heroic is just burn the bastard down |
| 05:55.33 | NightHawkTheSane | possibly |
| 05:55.41 | NightHawkTheSane | its been months since i've done it at all |
| 05:55.51 | Wobster | otherwise make sure you have a specific kill order for the elementals |
| 05:56.04 | Wobster | eg void/fire/water/earth etc |
| 05:56.26 | Thrae | Sheesh it's 2am and already I'm a little peckish. |
| 05:56.31 | Amarande | our problem? we seem to have enough burn for Syth, got him to 8%, 1%, 2% |
| 05:56.47 | Wobster | moonfirespam =) |
| 05:56.49 | Amarande | but we keep getting annihilated by the elemental damage which gets to tier raid level with the stacking debuff |
| 05:57.03 | Wobster | grounding totem? |
| 05:57.16 | NightHawkTheSane | wont help |
| 05:57.18 | Wobster | hehe |
| 05:57.24 | Amarande | those buffets are practically imba |
| 05:57.50 | Amarande | hell, some of the mobs in burning steppes use them, normal mobs, and I can see people with outland gear in the low 60s dying pretty easily to such mobs if they are slow dps and have no dispel |
| 05:57.54 | NightHawkTheSane | heroic sethekk is obnoxiously difficult, as heroics go |
| 05:58.06 | Wobster | it's true |
| 05:58.19 | Amarande | eventually, you take raid boss damage from the slightest little hit of that element |
| 05:58.41 | Wobster | I'd rank it harder than mech |
| 05:58.47 | Wobster | and maybe bot |
| 05:58.57 | Amarande | it's like judgment of the crusader on crack lol |
| 05:59.14 | Amarande | wobster: I'm thinking it might be harder than heroic shattered halls |
| 05:59.26 | NightHawkTheSane | mech isn't terribly hard |
| 05:59.31 | Amarande | HSH mobs hit hard, and some have MS, but other than that they seem to have no real special stuff about them |
| 05:59.34 | Wobster | mech is easy with a lock |
| 05:59.35 | nevcairiel | none of the heroics currently is "hard" |
| 05:59.43 | Wobster | sethekk is =) |
| 05:59.56 | nevcairiel | Heroics were hard when they were released |
| 06:00.02 | nevcairiel | And they were fun back then |
| 06:00.12 | Wobster | now everyone is overgeared |
| 06:00.25 | Wobster | for the heroics, anyway |
| 06:00.40 | NightHawkTheSane | not everyone |
| 06:00.41 | nevcairiel | thats not why heroics are so easy now |
| 06:00.55 | nevcairiel | we used freaking flasks in shattered halls heroic to beat the timer |
| 06:01.00 | nevcairiel | then it was nerfed |
| 06:01.06 | nevcairiel | and you walk through there like its nothing |
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| 06:04.32 | kd3 | flasks? |
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| 06:04.38 | kd3 | even pre-nerf, it wasn't that tough |
| 06:04.53 | nevcairiel | the initial version with like half-kara gear? |
| 06:04.58 | nevcairiel | the time was tough |
| 06:05.23 | nevcairiel | specially the ogre boss was like totally random and just wiped you without you doing anything against it =P |
| 06:05.43 | kd3 | we maybe lost 1 person |
| 06:05.43 | kd3 | maybe... once |
| 06:06.03 | Amarande | nevcairiel: I have to agree with the nerfs |
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| 06:06.35 | Amarande | a timer to allow a sense of urgency is fine |
| 06:06.52 | Amarande | but not if that sense of urgency means that weaker groups have to practically follow in Leeroy's footsteps to have a chance |
| 06:07.47 | Wobin | so what -is- psychophrenia? |
| 06:08.22 | Wobin | oh I hated the ogre boss pre nerf |
| 06:08.33 | Wobin | not as much as the ogre boss in shadowlab though |
| 06:08.35 | Amarande | well that explains why we died |
| 06:08.39 | Amarande | the tank had terribad gear |
| 06:08.44 | Amarande | seemed to know what he was doing, but his gear was bad |
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| 06:09.30 | nevcairiel | Wobin: i always loved shadowlabs, it was so fun :D |
| 06:09.37 | Amarande | Wobin: the ogre boss in shadow labs is irritating as hell |
| 06:09.46 | Amarande | even on normal, when we successfully kill him, nine times out of ten I die during the fight |
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| 06:09.51 | nevcairiel | "Time for fun!" |
| 06:09.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i love t hat boss. |
| 06:10.02 | NightHawkTheSane | and hate that boss. |
| 06:10.03 | Wobin | the problem with the shadowlab ogre boss is that if your party is too well geared, you kill yourselves =P |
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| 06:13.46 | Amarande | My problem with the shadowlab ogre boss is this |
| 06:13.49 | Amarande | I am an aff lock |
| 06:14.02 | Amarande | I use dots, a number of which last longer than the MC (SL in particular goes well past the MC timer) |
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| 06:14.16 | Amarande | the problem thus is, unless the tank has ninja reflexes, I grab aggro right afterwards due to the aggro drop and still-active dots |
| 06:14.21 | Amarande | and then get creamed |
| 06:14.30 | Amarande | on heroic, I might even be one-shot |
| 06:14.33 | Mike-N-Go | Tekkub: You might want to change Ampere to disable disabling of itself. I find it funny it can do that on rev 3.0.1.10. |
| 06:14.44 | Arrowmaster | do you abuse the curse bug? |
| 06:14.53 | Tekkub | uhm, no, thanks |
| 06:14.57 | Amarande | curse bug? |
| 06:15.15 | Cairenn | btw, to the Canucks in the channel - http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/08/24/health-listeria.html?ref=rss Maple Leaf Food recalls due to Listeria bacteria contaminations |
| 06:15.21 | Arrowmaster | every time he mindcontrols you, you can cast a new curse on him when it wears off without overwriting the old one |
| 06:15.39 | Arrowmaster | i have a screenshot of like 3 or 4 curses on him with me being the only warlock in the party |
| 06:15.40 | Amarande | never actively tried that, though I probably have done so without intending when I refresh dots |
| 06:15.46 | Tekkub | Listerine histeria? |
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| 06:16.00 | Amarande | my problem is that the dots have durations like, 18, 24, 30 seconds |
| 06:16.03 | Amarande | the MC lasts what, 15? |
| 06:16.06 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Tekkub |
| 06:16.06 | purl | --purges Tekkub |
| 06:16.20 | Amarande | so a lot of times my dots outlast the MC |
| 06:16.27 | Amarande | which means they're the first dps to hit inciter after MC |
| 06:16.30 | Amarande | which means *I get aggro* |
| 06:16.48 | Wobin | you're a warlock |
| 06:16.53 | Wobin | you should be used to that =) |
| 06:17.01 | Amarande | I thought you were gonna say use soulshatter |
| 06:17.05 | Wobin | hehe |
| 06:17.09 | Amarande | that doesn't help unless someone else has enough threat to pick it up :) |
| 06:17.16 | Wobin | 50% of only you aggro is still you aggro |
| 06:17.36 | Wobin | it's like fade on pull |
| 06:17.37 | Amarande | Then everyone ends up scattered, especially if his first thing is to toss me |
| 06:17.47 | Amarande | and if the tank is a pally (which it really often is) |
| 06:17.54 | Amarande | there's a good chance I'm not close enough for him to save me |
| 06:18.12 | Amarande | due to the general poor range of pally stuff |
| 06:18.22 | Wobin | you could voidsac, I guess, if your voidwalker had survived |
| 06:18.42 | Amarande | yeah, I haven't used my VW in ages |
| 06:18.51 | Amarande | I 99% tote my imp around |
| 06:18.58 | Amarande | felhunter sometimes in BGs, succy when the CC is important |
| 06:19.00 | Amarande | almost never VW |
| 06:19.10 | Wobin | well here's a fine time to use it! |
| 06:19.37 | Amarande | might work well, especially since the imp stamina is useless in that fight |
| 06:19.45 | Amarande | first MC, imp starts firebolting and gets creamed |
| 06:19.59 | Wobin | with the application and deapplication, it harms more than it helps |
| 06:19.59 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 06:20.09 | Arrowmaster | you have firebolt on autocast? |
| 06:20.26 | Wobin | wouldn't the MC use it even if not autocast? |
| 06:20.31 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:20.52 | Arrowmaster | my imp never left phase shift any of the times i did SL as affliction |
| 06:20.55 | Wobin | wish I could do that for some of my abilities =P |
| 06:21.18 | Arrowmaster | and thus i stood there like an idiot trying to rain of fire a phase shifted imp while mind controlled many many many times |
| 06:21.24 | Amarande | of course, that's a reason I don't use my VW much |
| 06:21.39 | Amarande | as affliction, I'm used to being able to grab mana from imp rather than rely on life tap instead |
| 06:21.55 | Amarande | and VW's have terribad mana regeneration, plus tend to gobble theirs up in about five seconds |
| 06:22.58 | Amarande | arrow: you know that if the imp doesn't use its firebolt while mind controlled |
| 06:23.05 | Amarande | it's probably going to get nerfed eventually :) |
| 06:23.12 | Amarande | that sounds like a bug |
| 06:23.12 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 06:23.21 | Arrowmaster | since afaik the imp never gets mindcontrolled |
| 06:23.44 | Amarande | the fact that it's still obeying orders even when mind controlled ... |
| 06:23.45 | Amarande | it does |
| 06:23.51 | Amarande | it's red, and I've seen it throw fb's at party members |
| 06:24.04 | Amarande | if it wasn't MC'd, wouldn't it still be blue while I was? |
| 06:24.04 | Arrowmaster | was always green for me |
| 06:24.13 | Arrowmaster | er yeah blue |
| 06:24.20 | Amarande | green? you mean blue, or do you play on a pvp server :) |
| 06:24.40 | Arrowmaster | pvp server, but its still blue i think because its phase shifted |
| 06:24.50 | Arrowmaster | havent used my imp in ages |
| 06:25.20 | Amarande | in any case, I think sethekk heroic might be tougher than shattered halls or maybe even slabs |
| 06:25.36 | Mike-N-Go | ~seen Mokhtar |
| 06:25.38 | purl | mokhtar <n=mahonnan@pha75-1-87-88-93-158.dsl.club-internet.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 296d 8h 32m 29s ago, saying: ' I want to be able to get a raidXX unit's stance if it is a warrior, I managed to find how to detect stance changes but SpecialEvents-Aura doesn't seem to getdefensive/berserk etc stances, anybody would have an idea ?'. |
| 06:25.38 | Amarande | hardest heroic behind mgt is probably ... well, just speculating, but probably slabs or arc |
| 06:25.50 | Tekkub | pally question time! wrath only here.... |
| 06:25.52 | Amarande | slabs because mainly of the gear dilemma |
| 06:26.04 | Wobin | arc is pretty tough |
| 06:26.09 | Tekkub | I assume if the player has Kings they prefer to use it on everyone over might/wisdom? |
| 06:26.13 | Wobin | if only for those damn infernals |
| 06:26.18 | Tekkub | what about Sanctuary? |
| 06:26.40 | |Jelly| | H-SLabs is like rubbing your eyes with a SOS pad. |
| 06:27.01 | Amarande | H-SL problem: you need gear that's good enough for the later bosses (especially vorpil) without being so good that you murder yourselves on inciter |
| 06:27.12 | zenzio | "Basically, this addon does everything I've been using multiple addons to accomplish in one simple package, with a memory footprint even Tekkub would be proud of." o_O |
| 06:27.14 | Amarande | pretty sure Vorpil is worse than Murmur |
| 06:27.33 | Tekkub | yes yes I already replied to that noone cares anymore |
| 06:27.39 | Tekkub | back to my pally issue |
| 06:27.53 | Amarande | vorpil is as bad as syth I'm imagining |
| 06:28.03 | Wobin | vorpil is fine with enough dps |
| 06:28.09 | Wobin | just -run- =P |
| 06:28.31 | Amarande | 'enough dps', which makes me think |
| 06:28.38 | Amarande | are the harder heroics supposed to be harder than kara? |
| 06:28.53 | Wobin | I don't think so |
| 06:28.59 | Amarande | like is the progression norm70 -> heroics of pre-70's (except sethekk maybe) -> kara -> heroics of sethekk and 70's? |
| 06:29.20 | Wobin | I was doing heroics well before kara |
| 06:29.30 | Amarande | it seems that we run into race conditions more in heroics |
| 06:29.33 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know a Mokhtar:? |
| 06:29.46 | Wobin | No, but if you hum a few bars.... |
| 06:29.47 | Amarande | though I'll admit to ignorance on kara except for chess event and onward |
| 06:30.11 | Amarande | the only recent time I've been to kara I got subbed in when we were up to chess event, so I only ever met chess, netherspite, and prince |
| 06:30.26 | Amarande | (We hate Netherspite.) |
| 06:30.34 | Wobin | same technique |
| 06:30.38 | Wobin | -run- =) |
| 06:30.42 | Jamash | the problem with late heroics is they're about as hard as kara and don't drop as good gear |
| 06:31.02 | Wobin | that's true |
| 06:31.07 | Wobin | and kara is easier to get badges from |
| 06:31.19 | Amarande | and thus, the players you need to go to such heroics |
| 06:31.23 | Amarande | would rather go to kara |
| 06:31.26 | Amarande | and so you get bad groups |
| 06:31.29 | Wobin | I dunno |
| 06:31.33 | Wobin | I'd prefer heroics now |
| 06:31.38 | Wobin | totally burnt out on kara |
| 06:32.09 | Jamash | only reason I would go to a heroic is for rep ever since nethers became badge loot |
| 06:32.16 | Amarande | by the way, is Scholomance still the instance with the most bosses in the game? |
| 06:32.25 | Wobin | probably |
| 06:32.38 | Wobin | unless you count the minibosses in ST |
| 06:32.47 | Wobin | which are more elite |
| 06:33.02 | Wobin | or maybe thingie in Tanaris |
| 06:33.09 | Wobin | nah, scholo has more |
| 06:33.23 | Jamash | it really depends how you define boss |
| 06:33.48 | Wobin | arc has 7 |
| 06:34.24 | Wobin | scholo has... 13? |
| 06:34.57 | Jamash | more than 10 = many |
| 06:35.25 | Wobin | 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, many, lots |
| 06:35.28 | batrick | Pattern Challenge: Match the first sentence in a paragraph that properly handles: 1) Acronyms (e.g. e.g.) 2) The first sentence being the only sentence (that is, there is no character following the period) |
| 06:35.32 | batrick | go! |
| 06:35.38 | Jamash | brd and scholo both have lots |
| 06:35.58 | Amarande | scholo is an awesome instance, too bad there's nothing relevant there lootwise anymore except for dark runes, pristine black diamonds, and the ace of portals |
| 06:36.09 | Wobin | batrick, paragraph where? |
| 06:36.37 | batrick | Wobin: Like a paragraph in an essay... match the first sentence |
| 06:36.45 | Wobin | match? |
| 06:36.56 | Amarande | well and the 24 slot soul bag |
| 06:36.58 | batrick | As a primitive example: |
| 06:37.00 | nevcairiel | regular expressions match |
| 06:37.01 | Amarande | but I'm not sure of the worth-it ness of that |
| 06:37.08 | Wobin | oh |
| 06:37.09 | Amarande | actually, I'm not sure any soul bag bigger than 20 is worth paying for |
| 06:37.18 | batrick | !lua ("The dog runs. The cat flees"):match(".-%.") |
| 06:37.19 | batbot | batrick: > The dog runs. |
| 06:37.29 | nevcairiel | Amarande: i got a 28 and i wouldnt miss it |
| 06:37.37 | Amarande | is there ever a good reason for a lock to need more than 20 soul shards on one occasion, where on said occasion he/she won't have an opportunity for more? |
| 06:37.41 | batrick | See that doesn't handle acronyms though. |
| 06:37.46 | Amarande | well unless maybe you raid places like MC or 60Naxx |
| 06:37.52 | zenzio | ... okay, I think this might be a new "weirdest spam subject line"... "Paris Hilton's vagina bites mailman!" |
| 06:37.55 | Amarande | but even then, +62's give shards |
| 06:37.57 | nevcairiel | Amarande: endless boss wipes :) |
| 06:38.00 | Jamash | m/^([^.]|[.][^.])+/ |
| 06:38.18 | Amarande | and I can't think of any 60 raid offhand that has no 62 elites |
| 06:38.25 | Jamash | oops |
| 06:38.47 | nevcairiel | back in 60 it was even worse |
| 06:38.52 | nevcairiel | without the ritual of souls |
| 06:38.58 | Amarande | I've been thinking of getting a 28 slotter |
| 06:39.01 | nevcairiel | you would need any shard you can get |
| 06:39.01 | Amarande | but I'm not sure if it's worth the money |
| 06:39.16 | Amarande | or whether I should go for the core felcloth bag or the ebon shadowbag |
| 06:39.24 | Amarande | the former seems to be cheaper to get mats for, other than the core leather |
| 06:40.08 | Amarande | and I'm MC attuned, so as long as I can get a skinner to come with me, I can get that |
| 06:41.09 | ccox | zenzio - the spammers are doing a lot of random "news" subjects |
| 06:41.33 | zenzio | ccox: yeah, for a long time now. But still, that one stands out as... just odd :-p |
| 06:41.41 | ccox | zenzio - my *least* favorite random subject was "Nude video of Hillary Clinton" |
| 06:41.47 | Amarande | let's see ... essence of fire? about five minutes in Un'Goro |
| 06:41.55 | zenzio | ccox: I can see why |
| 06:41.57 | Amarande | ironweb spider silk? a short while in plaguelands |
| 06:41.59 | ccox | zenzio - if you look at your spam logs (I got about 300 a day), the subjects are hilarious! |
| 06:42.15 | Amarande | bloodvine? ZG is still semi-popular |
| 06:42.16 | ccox | zenzio- yeah, almost lost my lunch on that one |
| 06:42.36 | Amarande | that means it's just the felcloth and core leather to worry of, and I think they may be cheaper than the shadowcloth and netherweb silk the ebon bag needs |
| 06:43.42 | nevcairiel | Question is rather, does it take longer to grind the money for the shadowcloth, then the time you need to get the leather? =P |
| 06:43.56 | Amarande | nev: is core leather 100% from the doggies? |
| 06:44.01 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 06:44.04 | nevcairiel | but one per dog |
| 06:44.26 | Amarande | then I just need to convince some guildies to fire walk with me and it should be easy enough :) |
| 06:44.49 | Amarande | well assuming anyone on Quel'dorei Horde knows the pattern |
| 06:45.13 | nevcairiel | 16 dogs is still alot, well ok they respawn after like 15 minutes, but still :) |
| 06:45.33 | Amarande | how many people do you need for MC at 70? |
| 06:45.44 | nevcairiel | complete? 10 |
| 06:45.55 | nevcairiel | just trash and some of the sissy bosses? 5 |
| 06:46.12 | nevcairiel | (of course you can do complete with less people too, its just not considered "fun" then :P) |
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| 06:51.09 | Amarande | and actually, I could buy the shadowcloth right now |
| 06:51.19 | Amarande | I'm just wondering if it's worth it when I could farm the mats for the other one instead |
| 06:51.43 | Jamash | farming sounds like a big time investment |
| 06:51.49 | Amarande | you know, I really wish the armory would let you click on someone's profession and look at the details of what patterns they know |
| 06:52.08 | Amarande | that's the only thing that bugs me, seeing as I can do with the 20 slotter for a while longer |
| 06:52.17 | Amarande | I don't know if anyone on this server knows the core felcloth one |
| 06:54.33 | Amarande | I'm definitely intent on visiting MC eventually though :) |
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| 06:54.59 | Amarande | say, does WOTLK have soulbags bigger than 28, or is that still max? |
| 06:55.12 | batrick | This is the one I got now (for those interested): |
| 06:55.14 | batrick | !lua ("The dog runs (e.g. hi). The cat flees"):match("^.-[^.(%s][%a)%s]%.") |
| 06:55.14 | batbot | batrick: > The dog runs (e.g. hi). |
| 06:55.41 | zenzio | so apart from having run out of tickets to work on, the SVN and trac servers for our client seem to be down... looks like it'll be a long, slow day x.x |
| 06:56.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: ... http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=21341 24 slot felcloth bag. pre-bc. |
| 06:56.30 | NightHawkTheSane | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=21872 28 slot ebon shadowbag, bc mats. |
| 06:56.59 | Amarande | "LK Honor 1 Hunter Belt" ... are they really still called such names? :| |
| 06:57.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: .. oh wait, never mind me |
| 06:57.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i misread what you said, i thought you said "20" not "28" >< |
| 06:57.17 | Amarande | I was wondering how much bigger if any bags will get in WOTLK |
| 06:57.23 | zenzio | Amarande: if they're on the WotLK page, I believe it's placeholder names |
| 06:59.37 | Amarande | wow, this is odd |
| 07:00.35 | Amarande | all that's new bag-wise in WOTLK is a green 20-slot bag, and possibly a 22 slotter that needs tons of high-cooldown mats (like the primal mooncloth one does now) |
| 07:00.40 | Amarande | at least according to wowhead |
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| 07:01.05 | Amarande | blizzard trying to end tailors' domination of bags and deal with the spending void caused by there being no 375 riding? |
| 07:01.13 | Amarande | by trying to make everyone invest in Paris, er, Haris' Gigantiques? |
| 07:02.02 | nevcairiel | they never increased bag sizes that much in expansions |
| 07:02.09 | Wobin | !lua ("The dog runs i.e. stuff happens to I. cat flees"):match("^.-[^.(%s][%a)%s]%.") |
| 07:02.10 | batbot | Wobin: > nil |
| 07:02.11 | nevcairiel | before BC you had 16 slotters |
| 07:02.21 | nevcairiel | now you have 18 |
| 07:02.25 | nevcairiel | or 20 if you invest more |
| 07:02.44 | Amarande | yeah, in BC it went up by four |
| 07:02.51 | Amarande | according to wowhead, there's a 20 slot green bag coming |
| 07:02.54 | Wobin | batrick, ^ |
| 07:02.56 | Amarande | and a 22 that requires cooldown cloth |
| 07:03.12 | Amarande | no 24 in sight, and the 22 looks like it will remain a terribad investment for a long time to come VS. the Paris Hilton bag |
| 07:03.35 | Amarande | because I'm sure for several months at least, the cooldown cloth mats will come to way more than 1200g |
| 07:04.01 | batrick | Wobin: that's not correct english :P |
| 07:04.03 | Amarande | like I said, my speculation is they want us to rely on those vendor bags to max out bag space |
| 07:04.20 | nevcairiel | well they did some other stuff to reduce bag usage |
| 07:04.24 | Amarande | which comes to 3600-4800g depending on whether you're a normal class or a lock/hunter needing to carry a special bag |
| 07:04.26 | nevcairiel | for mounts and companions |
| 07:04.34 | Amarande | which would be the Big Investment this time around |
| 07:04.49 | Amarande | since I've wondered for a long time how they're going to put a stopgap in place on inflation |
| 07:04.55 | Wobin | !lua ('The statement was: "Who cometh? it is I.". That was the first line of the book."):match("^.-[^.(%s][%a)%s]%.") |
| 07:04.56 | batbot | Wobin: @ [string "('The statement was: "Who cometh? it is I.". That was the first..."]:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 07:05.01 | Wobin | !lua ('The statement was: "Who cometh? it is I.". That was the first line of the book.'):match("^.-[^.(%s][%a)%s]%.") |
| 07:05.02 | batbot | Wobin: > The statement was: "Who cometh? it is I.". That was the first line of the book. |
| 07:05.07 | Amarande | seeing as what took that place in past expansions (riding) has no new skill level this time |
| 07:05.49 | Amarande | unless the quest to defrost your wings comes with some colossal gold payment :) |
| 07:07.59 | Wobin | !lua ("The dog runs? The cat flees."):match("^.-[^.(%s][%a)%s]%.") |
| 07:07.59 | batbot | Wobin: > The dog runs? The cat flees. |
| 07:09.13 | Wobin | hometime |
| 07:09.57 | Amarande | Any major gold sinks you've noticed in Wrath? |
| 07:10.07 | Amarande | or are they just going to let inflation go this time? |
| 07:10.13 | AnduinLothar | lvl 80 rings that telleport you to dalaran |
| 07:10.19 | AnduinLothar | they're like 6700g |
| 07:10.41 | clad|sleep | 22 slot bags |
| 07:10.43 | clad|sleep | 1200g |
| 07:10.51 | Amarande | Anduin: who's going to buy those when they can hire a mage at the times they need a portal there quick? |
| 07:11.01 | Amarande | or are we not going to be able to get into Dalaran -at all- until 80 and until we buy the ring? |
| 07:11.05 | AnduinLothar | they have good stats |
| 07:11.15 | AnduinLothar | no, you buy them in dalaran |
| 07:11.15 | nevcairiel | You dont have a mage handy when you're somewhere in the world |
| 07:11.23 | nevcairiel | I would get one for the teleport |
| 07:11.28 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. scrolls of recall? |
| 07:11.33 | Amarande | cladhaire: so they ARE trying to break the system of tailors being the main source of bags, then? |
| 07:11.39 | Amarande | in order to make Haris be a gold sink that works? |
| 07:11.42 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 07:11.45 | cladhaire | dunno |
| 07:11.57 | Amarande | Like I said, I see no 24 slot bag at all (which would be the trend after classic and BC) |
| 07:11.59 | nevcairiel | now the tailors QQ? where does this end |
| 07:12.16 | Amarande | and the 22 requires mats that are going to run more than 1200g for quite some time doubtless |
| 07:12.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: it could be tailoring isn't finished yet. it could also be they simply want to limit bag sizes |
| 07:12.36 | Amarande | because 22 actually requires *two different* mats that both have days-long cooldowns to create |
| 07:13.00 | Amarande | Yeah, but couldn't they make the 22 slot bag at least compete with Haris Pilton's bags to make it a reasonable buy? |
| 07:13.08 | Amarande | Hitherto, it's been accepted that buying vendor bags is a bad deal |
| 07:13.22 | batrick | Wobin: this is like the shitties pattern to make |
| 07:13.36 | Amarande | In fact, at this point, even the primal mooncloth bag isn't really even worth making |
| 07:14.26 | Arrowmaster | i disagree |
| 07:14.45 | Amarande | I see it this way |
| 07:14.47 | zenzio | that bag is a rite of passage |
| 07:14.49 | Amarande | You need 8 primal mooncloth for the bag |
| 07:15.03 | Amarande | For a specced tailor, that's four cooldowns, so about two weeks. |
| 07:15.17 | Amarande | In the same two weeks, you could have farmed more than enough gold to buy two Haris Pilton bags that give 44 slots vs. the 20 |
| 07:15.30 | Amarande | via dailies |
| 07:15.38 | Arrowmaster | meh maybe |
| 07:15.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: .. except.. the two arn't mutually exclusive.. |
| 07:15.54 | Arrowmaster | but dailies are boring |
| 07:16.24 | cladhaire | farming is boring |
| 07:16.25 | Arrowmaster | and i probably shouldnt be taking part in this conversation since i havent even logged in for like 2 weeks now? |
| 07:16.29 | Amarande | And now that PMC tailors tend to have extra PMC to sell, it's not as important |
| 07:16.34 | Amarande | It will matter more for WOTLK. |
| 07:17.06 | NightHawkTheSane | im still not sure where you're going with this |
| 07:17.17 | Amarande | A Glacial bag needs four each of two different kinds of cloth, both of them have four day cooldowns |
| 07:17.42 | Amarande | I'm assuming you'll be able to spec like you did in BC |
| 07:17.49 | Amarande | so that means three cooldowns, assuming you're specced in one type. |
| 07:18.13 | Amarande | 12 days, and this time buying the mats from AH won't really help you because I expect them to go for hundreds of gold apiece for the first few months |
| 07:18.28 | Amarande | if you can find them at all, since the first several weeks will go to tailors working on mats for their 80 sets |
| 07:19.06 | Amarande | in other words, this much trouble to get a 22 vs. a few days' dailies to get a Gigantique (which you can even do now) |
| 07:19.13 | Amarande | I'm wondering ... is the Glacial Bag even going to be worth making? |
| 07:19.21 | Amarande | at least till the market settles down several months down the road? |
| 07:19.35 | NightHawkTheSane | I like how you call it a "few" dailies to get 1200g |
| 07:19.52 | Amarande | Night: when I did all my IQD's, I got 200-300g a day |
| 07:20.00 | Amarande | which means four or five days or so to make 1200 |
| 07:20.02 | Arrowmaster | ive done better |
| 07:20.08 | NightHawkTheSane | sure, but that's boring as all fuck. |
| 07:20.27 | NightHawkTheSane | and not everyone really has the time or desire to spend they're time DOING that. |
| 07:20.34 | Amarande | Night: However |
| 07:20.50 | End | I generally make 200-300g a day, and I only do two dailies a day usually :P |
| 07:20.51 | Amarande | for the first several months, till ebonweave and moonshroud settle down to where shadowcloth and mooncloth are now |
| 07:20.53 | Arrowmaster | earning 5000g in 7 days farming netherwing rep with only 10 dailies a day was boring as fuck |
| 07:21.05 | Amarande | it's going to cost you no less to buy the mats for the tailored 22 slotter |
| 07:21.18 | Amarande | and probably more |
| 07:21.25 | nevcairiel | Just manage your inventory space better, and you wont need those 8 slots extra =P |
| 07:21.28 | NightHawkTheSane | once more, i don't see what any problem is here? |
| 07:21.40 | Amarande | Night: tailors being put out of business |
| 07:21.52 | NightHawkTheSane | wah wah wah. |
| 07:21.55 | Arrowmaster | we had business to begin with? |
| 07:21.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 07:22.07 | End | lol, Arrowmaster |
| 07:22.10 | Amarande | bags are one of the few tailoring items that are really in demand as anything other than DE fodder |
| 07:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | tailors had as much business as any other crafter. |
| 07:22.22 | NightHawkTheSane | (barring Jc/enchanting, i guess) |
| 07:22.27 | End | tailors probably made a lot of money when TBC came out initially |
| 07:22.30 | End | due to nethers |
| 07:22.31 | Arrowmaster | i have more tailoring patterns than you can think of and ive never made very much profit from it |
| 07:22.45 | End | (but that assumed you had a useful pattern and did heroics enough) |
| 07:22.46 | AnduinLothar | more profit than BS :P |
| 07:22.49 | Arrowmaster | End: that was more profit from the nethers and not tailoring though |
| 07:22.54 | End | yeah |
| 07:22.56 | End | indeed |
| 07:23.00 | zenzio | don't come claiming tailors have no business; I'm always seeing Pink Silk Shirts on the AH |
| 07:23.07 | End | you need tailoring to take advantage though :P |
| 07:23.14 | End | but yeah, it really was about the nethers |
| 07:23.39 | Arrowmaster | im lucky to get a 50g tip right now for crafting a belt of blasting |
| 07:23.52 | Arrowmaster | i once got like 2000g for crafting one |
| 07:23.59 | Arrowmaster | but that was from the vortexes |
| 07:24.12 | End | and I'm sure most or all of that 1600g went to the person's guild |
| 07:24.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: precisely, you had to supply a t5 drop yourself :P |
| 07:25.00 | Arrowmaster | yeah all those hours i spent soloing hydros for the damn vortexes really paid off! |
| 07:25.07 | End | lol |
| 07:25.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: you know what i mean. ;) |
| 07:25.20 | End | there is a bit of ...inconsistancy there :P |
| 07:25.31 | End | as a JC, I do make a good deal of gold :P |
| 07:25.51 | NightHawkTheSane | End: that's always been the case, though. |
| 07:25.55 | End | yeah |
| 07:26.04 | Arrowmaster | from prospecting or exploiting enchanting im guessing |
| 07:26.05 | End | well |
| 07:26.08 | End | sort of |
| 07:26.13 | End | initially I spent more on patterns |
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| 07:26.52 | End | as soon as I stopped acquiring patterns, I stopped spending all my gold, and suddenly I had tons of gold coming out of my ears |
| 07:26.56 | NightHawkTheSane | thing is, Ench/JC (and probably inscription to come) have good markets because they supply things that chracters will, eventually, always need more of |
| 07:27.06 | zenzio | I never sold much of what I made from any profession, but I single-handedly supplied the Wildhammers in Shadowmoon with enough Adamantite Cleavers to arm a legion |
| 07:27.10 | NightHawkTheSane | you only ever need one belt of blasting. :P |
| 07:27.17 | Arrowmaster | nobody needs tailoring nets....... |
| 07:27.34 | End | if I could use tailoring nets, I could, but any tailor can make them anyways |
| 07:27.39 | End | I would* |
| 07:27.47 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: don't even get me started on BS >< |
| 07:27.55 | End | it's a tailor only thing, so it's kinda pointless as a sellable good |
| 07:28.21 | End | tailors do have leg enchants, at least |
| 07:28.28 | End | but here's the kicker about JC (and enchanting) |
| 07:28.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 07:28.36 | Arrowmaster | every tailor does |
| 07:28.38 | End | the people who can do actual cuts are limited |
| 07:28.39 | Arrowmaster | no profit in it |
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| 07:28.43 | End | less so now |
| 07:28.46 | End | especially with epic gems |
| 07:28.47 | End | but still |
| 07:29.18 | NightHawkTheSane | its actually been scary-hard for me to find people to do the cuts of green/blue quality gems i want |
| 07:29.18 | Arrowmaster | my luck with drops really sucks, i have 0 of the 6 bop tailoring patterns from 5mans |
| 07:29.20 | End | although, really, other than the glass, I think you can blame mining for my profits more than JC |
| 07:29.26 | Arrowmaster | but i have like everything else |
| 07:29.39 | NightHawkTheSane | they're all "oh, i can do the epic one!" well, yeah, but fuck if i'm putting an epic gem in my fresh 70's blue gear. |
| 07:29.49 | Amarande | meanwhile, say, engineering is on the failboat |
| 07:29.57 | End | not entirely fail |
| 07:30.00 | Amarande | because for all that investment, the only salable stuff you can really make is guns |
| 07:30.06 | End | mote extractors are somewhat useful |
| 07:30.16 | Amarande | pretty much everything else, needs engineering to use, -at the level needed to make it- |
| 07:30.21 | Amarande | which means anyone who could use it could make it |
| 07:30.23 | End | although I only use my mote extractor on my druid when I'm trying to gather with my other profession |
| 07:30.34 | NightHawkTheSane | thing is, wow just -isn't- designed around salable crafting |
| 07:30.36 | End | but it's still a nice source of primals |
| 07:31.12 | NightHawkTheSane | and attempts to push in that direction have been kludgy |
| 07:31.23 | End | sellable crafting happens, sometimes |
| 07:31.32 | Arrowmaster | somebody i know has been charging people like 2000g to do the 22int to weapon enchant, its fucking awesome |
| 07:31.51 | nevcairiel | stupid jewelcrafters make a fortune of gems <.< |
| 07:31.51 | NightHawkTheSane | thats insane |
| 07:32.02 | Amarande | Night: which seems to be a problem with wow |
| 07:32.10 | Amarande | it discourages people from taking crafting professions |
| 07:32.24 | End | they try to encourage now by offering perks |
| 07:32.32 | End | like bop gear, mostly |
| 07:32.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: again, thats always been the case, the direction they took with it was not salable crafting, but bop rewards |
| 07:32.52 | Arrowmaster | except if your in a 'serious raiding guild' |
| 07:33.04 | Arrowmaster | which tells you to get leatherworking/enchanting or gtfo |
| 07:33.06 | End | Arrowmaster: pick up leatherwork kthx |
| 07:33.09 | End | lol |
| 07:33.25 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:33.31 | End | sadly, that's the best I can do for my dps, is leatherworking, and I play a warlock :P |
| 07:33.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: yeah, i tell those guilds to fuck themselves. :) i don't care to min/max that much, really |
| 07:33.40 | Amarande | daily reset 4am PDT for all servers, or 4am server time? |
| 07:33.46 | End | I don't have leatherworking though, just mining/JC |
| 07:33.55 | End | screw that noise, we're still in BT :P |
| 07:34.06 | Arrowmaster | 4am server time, except DST fucks with it |
| 07:34.16 | Amarande | so it's 3am or 4am server time during DST? |
| 07:34.18 | Jamash | have you ever caught yourself checking your own addon's page to see if it's updated? |
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| 07:34.32 | End | no. Are you going crazy? :) |
| 07:34.37 | Jamash | mmmmmmmmmaybe? |
| 07:35.31 | leethal | hmm. does wowi.com have an api? |
| 07:35.35 | Amarande | I wonder why they didn't want to do much in the way of salable crafting |
| 07:35.45 | leethal | binary that goes git repository => published update at wowi would be win |
| 07:36.00 | Amarande | is it even possible to have a MMO with salable crafting that *doesn't* become a rich spoiled kid, gold buyers own the skilled players game? |
| 07:36.16 | Amarande | other than GW, and the only way GW got around it was by totally deemphasizing gear |
| 07:36.21 | End | Amarande: I think it more that it has to do with trying to make pve/pvp group activities appealing |
| 07:36.22 | cladhaire | leethal: there's already a java app that updates to wowi |
| 07:36.28 | cladhaire | doesn't have anything to do with svn |
| 07:36.39 | End | I mean |
| 07:36.43 | End | who can resist phat epix? |
| 07:36.46 | leethal | cladhaire: I see |
| 07:36.59 | Amarande | yeah, in GW the only reason to do high end pve is that there are certain mats and green items that only drop from such areas |
| 07:37.11 | Amarande | and even then, the only reason to have those mats/greens is because they have a unique look |
| 07:37.30 | End | I've never really played guild wars, so I wouldn't know very well |
| 07:37.38 | leethal | 'greens', hmm |
| 07:37.43 | End | well, I got my sister's character killed a bunch once, but that's it :P |
| 07:37.49 | leethal | is 'blues', 'greens' etc a mmo-global coloring system? |
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| 07:37.55 | leethal | AoC had something similar as well |
| 07:38.00 | leethal | did it start with WoW? |
| 07:38.01 | cladhaire | leethal: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7633-WoWIModUploader.html |
| 07:38.04 | Amarande | leethal: in Guild Wars, unique named items have green names |
| 07:38.23 | Amarande | and common/uncommon/rare magical items are light blue/purple/gold |
| 07:38.39 | NightHawkTheSane | leethal: it certainly did not start with wow, seeing as diablo used colors to differentiate quality of items as well |
| 07:38.50 | leethal | ah, true dat |
| 07:39.12 | End | hm |
| 07:39.16 | End | AoC does match WoW |
| 07:39.20 | Amarande | Magic or better items can have a fixed bonus, and all items can have a prefix and suffix mod attached to them (overwritable, like WoW enchants) |
| 07:39.22 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 07:39.22 | End | for colors |
| 07:39.54 | Amarande | you can also salvage prefix or suffix mods off items using expert salvage kits, though there's a chance to destroy the item each time you do it |
| 07:40.40 | Arrowmaster | i havent played Guild Wars in years, im sitting here going 'wtf high end pve are they talking about in guildwars? it doesnt have any!' |
| 07:40.52 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: Elite Missions, mostly |
| 07:41.05 | Amarande | they got introduced starting with Factions |
| 07:41.12 | Arrowmaster | i only have the original game |
| 07:41.23 | Arrowmaster | but i have glowy hands when i emote! |
| 07:41.27 | Amarande | well, the original game now has an elite mission of sorts in the form of Tomb of the Primeval Kings |
| 07:41.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah i did tombs in beta |
| 07:41.48 | Amarande | originally, that was where you went to do Heroes' Ascent PvP, but now they have a PvE area there |
| 07:41.50 | Arrowmaster | never did it in live |
| 07:42.06 | Arrowmaster | er no i meant temple |
| 07:42.08 | Amarande | in Factions, they introduced two 12-man instances |
| 07:42.24 | Amarande | which were both the most difficult content at the time |
| 07:42.52 | Amarande | and in Nightfall a few months after release (was planned, but didn't make it out the door) they added an elite 8-man instance which is THE hardest thing in Guild Wars |
| 07:43.02 | Amarande | I'm not sure the elite mission in Eye of the North is as hard as Domain of Anguish |
| 07:43.25 | Arrowmaster | so it actually has hard content now? interesting |
| 07:43.35 | Amarande | they also have added a Hard Mode |
| 07:43.55 | Amarande | which can be played in -all- instanced areas, not just certain places like WoW's heroic |
| 07:44.10 | Arrowmaster | i played it like 300 hours in the first 2 weeks after release and then quit |
| 07:44.23 | Amarande | the only prerequisite to unlock hard mode is for any character on the account to have finished the final mission of the campaign that you want to do hard mode in |
| 07:44.31 | Amarande | at which point any level 20 on the account can do hard mode in any instance in that campaign |
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| 07:44.47 | Amarande | there's also no once-a-day limit on hard mode instances like with heroic |
| 07:45.09 | Amarande | the other thing about Guild Wars was there were no repair bills, so you were even pretty much encouraged to go in over your head and take risks |
| 07:45.30 | Arrowmaster | i may have soloed the final mission in the original a few times..... |
| 07:45.54 | Tekkub | mrrrr... there isn't a table/function hidden somewhere that'll convert class tokens to their localized names, is there? |
| 07:46.40 | Amarande | well, GW was designed to let you solo by providing those robot teammates |
| 07:46.49 | Amarande | I wonder if that might be a good idea for WoW |
| 07:47.29 | End | Tekkub: Class tokens? |
| 07:47.34 | End | like DRUID, WARRIOR, etc? |
| 07:47.36 | zenzio | what I loved about Anarchy Online was trying to twink into items, since all items had skill requirements to equip |
| 07:47.39 | Tekkub | "PRIEST" |
| 07:47.42 | End | can't you just ge the global? |
| 07:47.43 | Tekkub | yes |
| 07:47.49 | Tekkub | what global? |
| 07:48.01 | End | I'm guessing PRIEST is "Priest" |
| 07:48.03 | End | or whatever |
| 07:48.07 | Amarande | zenzio: Diablo II got like that too, especially later on |
| 07:48.07 | Tekkub | it's not |
| 07:48.11 | End | I haven't checked, but it's a very blizzard way of doing it |
| 07:48.12 | Amarande | it was RIDICULOUS later on |
| 07:48.12 | End | ah |
| 07:48.13 | Tekkub | that's why I'm asking |
| 07:48.15 | End | well, damn then :P |
| 07:48.20 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: yeah that was fun, except i dont think i had a char much higher than 50 in AO |
| 07:48.28 | zenzio | hehe |
| 07:48.32 | Amarande | chief problem being the Enigma runeword that gave ridiculous amounts of strength, plus letting any class teleport |
| 07:48.39 | Amarande | and was utterly impossible to get legitimately :( |
| 07:48.44 | Amarande | basically, Enigma ensured two things |
| 07:48.52 | Amarande | * that everyone bought runes for money |
| 07:49.13 | zenzio | to get into the really good stuff you'd have to calculate which items you could switch for buffing items and still get back on later, which buffs you'd have to run around and get, etc... just a lot of brainwork |
| 07:49.15 | Amarande | mind you, these were cheat-duped runes, and I understand the duping process involves deliberately causing impossible lag and crashes on the servers |
| 07:49.39 | Amarande | * that people would utterly gimp their characters and entirely leech until level 65 so as not to have to invest points into strength and thus be able to save them for HP |
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| 07:49.54 | End | Tekkub: well, I'm not aware of any then |
| 07:50.39 | Thrae | Anyone in the WotLK Beta? |
| 07:50.47 | End | Tekkub: no! |
| 07:50.48 | End | yes |
| 07:50.49 | End | maybe |
| 07:50.50 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 07:51.14 | Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9237584622&sid=1 <-- if you're in the beta, take a look at this minor suggestion and lemme know if you like it enough to post it |
| 07:51.40 | cladhaire | I think its a good idea, and one they're familiar with |
| 07:51.46 | cladhaire | but I think you'd be hard pressed to see it in the expansion |
| 07:51.54 | cladhaire | maybe a major release afterwards |
| 07:52.03 | Thrae | Couldn't hurt to ask :D |
| 07:52.05 | cladhaire | but in order to hit the q4 release, they'l be freezing soon, if not already |
| 07:52.17 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 07:52.23 | Thrae | Freezing on new implementations you mean? |
| 07:52.35 | End | new features, yes |
| 07:52.41 | Tekkub | no, freezing as in fixing frost magi |
| 07:52.45 | End | lol |
| 07:53.32 | Amarande | there were a lot of people on Diablo II USWest that suggested that Blizzard was in cahoots with Wei |
| 07:53.40 | Thrae | Well, honestly, most of this would be for the Interface side, and they can take it out without people whining. |
| 07:55.06 | Thrae | cladhaire: How did you read that so quickly? Do you scan the suggestions forum often? |
| 07:55.16 | cladhaire | no, I just read quickly |
| 07:56.52 | Thrae | Well anyway, I worry when Blizzard is hard-pressed to make long suggested changes like this. They're toting the game as a casual experience, and when there's something that would make said experience infinitely better, they worry about their precious database. |
| 07:57.52 | AnduinLothar | uh... infinitely better? please.. |
| 07:57.56 | End | I suspect Blizzard's list of things they want to do is very large |
| 07:58.00 | cladhaire | I think you a.) underestimate the "cost" in implementing such a feature.. and b.) overestimate the gain from said feature |
| 07:58.04 | Thrae | Really, it's probably more about people aren't THAT upset with just having guilds. Once Customer Fury hits a certain level, they implement something to fix it. Being reactionary isn't that bad. |
| 07:58.07 | End | and your suggestion is just one small item on that list |
| 07:58.11 | Tekkub | -- MFS HACK: doing this because we don't have class names in global strings |
| 07:58.13 | Tekkub | well fuck |
| 07:58.19 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 07:58.24 | End | Tekkub: in their code? :X |
| 07:58.29 | nevcairiel | they should just add that! |
| 07:58.30 | Tekkub | even BLue doesn't have the localized class names available |
| 07:58.34 | End | >_< |
| 07:58.49 | AnduinLothar | UnitClass |
| 07:58.49 | End | that's...kinda surprising they don't |
| 07:59.05 | AnduinLothar | first is localized, 2nd is enligh caps |
| 07:59.05 | nevcairiel | AnduinLothar: well you need a unit of that kind for that :) |
| 07:59.07 | Tekkub | AnduinLothar, I don't have a unit to deal with |
| 07:59.36 | Tekkub | I need ALL the classes, and potentially only know myself |
| 07:59.55 | AnduinLothar | at what time in the game? |
| 07:59.59 | Tekkub | any |
| 08:00.04 | Thrae | cladhaire: While my own sample size is small, I don't think I'm overestimating how much people will like it. However, whether it would become a deciding factor for new players or keeping players, like I said, it fits just below that level for most people. |
| 08:00.05 | Tekkub | when the use opens the config |
| 08:00.22 | AnduinLothar | cache mouseovers. loop guild/friends |
| 08:00.24 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: LibBabble-Class-3.0 |
| 08:00.28 | Arrowmaster | *hides* |
| 08:00.33 | Tekkub | AL, eew, Arrow, eew |
| 08:00.59 | Tekkub | I'll just use my localized table, was just hoping the bastards had put in proper localized values already |
| 08:01.05 | Thrae | cladhaire: IE, it wouldn't really entice much new players at all, nor previous players to return. From a resources standpoint, there are bigger issues to worry about. |
| 08:01.05 | Amarande | man, this daily makes me shudder in a not good way now :( |
| 08:01.13 | Arrowmaster | if they had, we wouldnt have babble-class |
| 08:01.39 | Amarande | as in, it leaves me with seriously worrying thoughts |
| 08:01.57 | Tekkub | Arrow, that logic fails and YOU KNOW IT |
| 08:02.11 | |pez| | The bad weather was a sign... I wasn't supposed to start school until tomorrow. :P |
| 08:03.24 | Amarande | does anyone else have a bit of a shuddery feeling doing [70] A Slow Death since hearing about the Canadian outbreak? |
| 08:04.22 | Tekkub | no |
| 08:04.24 | zenzio | considering the stuff always going around in third-world contries, not really |
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| 08:20.16 | Amarande | what always puzzles me meanwhile is how they can be poisoned with fel glands |
| 08:20.21 | Amarande | I mean ... they're already fel corrupted orcs |
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| 10:57.00 | Mike-N-Go | ~seen Itsnoteasy |
| 10:57.03 | purl | Mike-N-Go: i haven't seen 'itsnoteasy' |
| 10:57.42 | Mike-N-Go | How was the netskip? |
| 11:02.36 | Cairenn | split* |
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| 12:02.50 | bleeter | WTB: [WotLK Alpha Armory] |
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| 12:03.42 | bleeter | aka 'if armory was in beta for all of BC, and now we're in beta for LK, how much longer for armory to be outta beta?' |
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| 12:18.05 | Lukian | bleeter, armory is a lot more complex & has a lot less people working on it :p |
| 12:18.09 | Lukian | ^_^ |
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| 12:24.38 | batrick | morning shirik |
| 12:24.57 | Shirik | hi |
| 12:29.19 | Shirik | sorry |
| 12:29.23 | Shirik | my destructor is private |
| 12:29.28 | Shirik | only I can call it |
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| 12:29.38 | Shirik | (and my friends, but I don't have any friends so) |
| 12:29.49 | batrick | :( |
| 12:29.52 | zenzio | I already violated the laws by explicitly calling it anyway, so your privacy is moot |
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| 12:31.07 | Bouvi | Well... If you look like chopped liver then that would be my favorite new food... :) |
| 12:31.41 | zenzio | you saying you want to eat people who look like Cairenn? |
| 12:31.46 | Bouvi | Now is the time Cairenn when you go.. Oh Bouvi that was sweet. Or something like that. |
| 12:31.55 | Shirik | zenzio: That's exactly what he's saying ;) |
| 12:32.06 | zenzio | Shirik: there's a difference between eating and eating out |
| 12:32.15 | Shirik | oh I know |
| 12:32.35 | Cairenn | ! |
| 12:32.40 | Bouvi | O.o |
| 12:32.50 | zenzio | hey, you started this |
| 12:33.48 | zenzio | careful with that, the people around here just might enjoy being smacked |
| 12:33.56 | batrick | ^ |
| 12:35.18 | Shirik | you know Cairenn, I hate to say this, but |
| 12:35.25 | Shirik | if you were asleep, none of this would have happened :) |
| 12:35.27 | Cairenn | yeah, yeah, I know |
| 12:35.30 | Cairenn | :p |
| 12:36.01 | Cairenn | "go sleep Cairenn" |
| 12:36.18 | Maldivia | Cairenn... administratrix of WoWInterface, dominatrix of #wowuidev ? ;) |
| 12:36.43 | zenzio | let us know if you need an escort |
| 12:36.59 | zenzio | we've had many a training quest for the purpose |
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| 12:40.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yuh-oh... zen is being extra gentlemanly and Cairenn is giving me warnings. What's up this morning, everypeople? |
| 12:41.02 | zenzio | I have no idea what Cairenn is talking about |
| 12:41.08 | zenzio | probably jealousy |
| 12:41.25 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: just a small sample: |
| 12:41.27 | Cairenn | "(2008-08-25 08:32:02) zenzio: Shirik: there's a difference between eating and eating out" |
| 12:41.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yeeps. Okie dokie! |
| 12:41.55 | zenzio | hey, Bouvi was the one who was saying things that looked like you would be his favorite food |
| 12:42.27 | Bouvi | Yes because she looks delicious (not as much as my wife but still). Nothing sexual about that :P |
| 12:42.33 | zenzio | besides, that is an important difference |
| 12:42.55 | zenzio | most people don't enjoy being cannibalized, or so I'm told |
| 12:43.01 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing sexual about cannibalism... |
| 12:43.34 | Bouvi | Looking delicious used to mean very attractive. Times are a changing I guess. Kids... |
| 12:44.27 | Lopeppeppy | Call her the bees knees and we'll totally understand. It's just that we skipped from cat's pajamas to cannibalism without a safety net. |
| 12:44.27 | Lopeppeppy | 30 year coma. |
| 12:44.28 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 12:44.28 | Bouvi | Bees have knees? |
| 12:44.42 | zenzio | this is a channel full of people who don't have English as their native language; that coupled with a desire to misinterpret means you know you have to watch what you say |
| 12:44.47 | Lopeppeppy | Not if you cannibalize them they don't. |
| 12:45.09 | Bouvi | More fun to explain it later than to watch what I say :) |
| 12:45.19 | Lopeppeppy | ^^ agree! |
| 12:45.33 | zenzio | then don't go complaining when I turn your sentences the way I did >:) |
| 12:45.44 | Bouvi | I would also guess the average age in this channel is 18-24 so there is an age gap too. |
| 12:46.23 | krka | me no speak english so goodly :( |
| 12:47.16 | Cairenn | yes you do krka, you've been in the channel too long to get away with that |
| 12:48.03 | krka | meesa been fakifying it |
| 12:48.10 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 12:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 12:48.27 | Lopeppeppy | Jar Jar is not welcome. Eeew, just eeew! |
| 12:49.09 | zenzio | I generally speak pretty good English, I just like playing with words |
| 12:49.52 | krka | i can has english? |
| 12:50.02 | Cairenn | heh |
| 12:50.13 | p3lim | I have this exe file containing an .IMA file, anyone know how I can extract the .IMA file from the exe file? |
| 12:50.22 | p3lim | kinda urgent, please let me know |
| 12:50.28 | zenzio | depends how it's "in" the exe file |
| 12:50.31 | Bouvi | I speak good ole suthern englash. You'all should give it a whirl. |
| 12:50.33 | krka | self extracting zip? |
| 12:51.03 | zenzio | if it's an actual Windows resource, you can extract it with various tools (Visual Studio, ResThief)... if it's just appended or included someone then it's more trickt |
| 12:51.07 | zenzio | *tricky |
| 12:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | Bouvi, I get a lovely southern drawl after midnight, or when I'm tipsy. :) |
| 12:51.12 | krka | 1) run it. 2) try to open with a zip programming |
| 12:51.39 | Bouvi | lol |
| 12:52.11 | krka | southern drool? |
| 12:52.20 | Lopeppeppy | krka! *poke* |
| 12:52.29 | p3lim | WinImage Self Extractor file |
| 12:52.58 | p3lim | zip programs tells me the IMA file is broke |
| 12:52.59 | krka | what! |
| 12:53.01 | p3lim | but i know its not |
| 12:53.28 | Lopeppeppy | Which zipping program do you use? |
| 12:54.06 | p3lim | 7zip |
| 12:54.27 | krka | upgrade to 8zip |
| 12:55.05 | Bouvi | Anyone scubadive? And if so can they recommend a brand of knife, BCUs and wetsuits? |
| 12:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. I didn't know there was an 8zip. |
| 12:55.13 | Bouvi | Or place to buy such. |
| 12:55.38 | p3lim | - Unsupported compression method for 'winb98.IMA'. |
| 12:56.03 | p3lim | trying to run it in WinImage now |
| 13:03.57 | Maldivia | ima - sounds like an iso format |
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| 13:04.43 | haste | ima sounds like it's now! |
| 13:04.45 | zenzio | Fisker-, my friend |
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| 13:17.23 | p3lim | now I just need a program to burn the .IMA file, and make it bootable |
| 13:18.05 | p3lim | btw haste, i found the error with the OnEvent handler |
| 13:18.07 | haste | I'm guessig ima is just img, so any burning app that supports images should work |
| 13:18.12 | haste | read it already |
| 13:18.34 | p3lim | IMA is just IMG, but its for floppy disks |
| 13:19.01 | p3lim | thats the problem, I need it on a cd (who has a floppy drive these days anyways?) |
| 13:19.13 | haste | my laptop does |
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| 13:19.26 | p3lim | really? :o |
| 13:19.39 | p3lim | my laptop from y2000 aint got a floppy drive |
| 13:19.55 | haste | it's a 233MHz |
| 13:20.08 | haste | I mainly use my dell l400 tho, which is a 700mhz |
| 13:20.17 | haste | and "ultra" portable |
| 13:20.21 | haste | at least for that time :3 |
| 13:23.07 | p3lim | hm my compaq from y2k has 850mhz |
| 13:23.09 | p3lim | p2 |
| 13:23.20 | p3lim | or p3, cant remember for sure |
| 13:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | I have a usb port, so I could get a floopsy drive if I wanted one. |
| 13:23.43 | Lopeppeppy | To load Windows 3.1. Which I had on disk when I moved... |
| 13:24.33 | haste | p3 starts on 450MHz |
| 13:24.59 | p3lim | might have been p3 |
| 13:25.11 | haste | 850MHz has to be p3 |
| 13:25.42 | zenzio | oh the fond memories of the gigahertz race |
| 13:25.43 | haste | unless you had a AMD K<something> |
| 13:25.44 | p3lim | compaq armada m700 |
| 13:26.39 | haste | actually, it can't have been a AMD KX |
| 13:27.12 | p3lim | it is p3, just checked |
| 13:27.50 | zenzio | the Ks didn't go much higher than 500-550 I think? The first Athlons took over then IIRC |
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| 13:29.43 | haste | something like that |
| 13:31.54 | Lyn_ | p3lim, about your comment on my layout: I only found a snippet about happiness oO; |
| 13:32.13 | zenzio | AMD: "We reached 1 GHz." Public: "zomg woot epix!" Intel: "We reached 1 GHz too!" Public: "pfft, thats so last week. QQ more nubs" |
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| 13:32.32 | p3lim | Lyn_: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10696.msg238204#msg238204 |
| 13:33.48 | Lyn_ | yeah that was the one I found |
| 13:34.19 | Lyn_ | Is this for the <1.1 ouf? cause I dont use 1.1 yet |
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| 13:35.08 | haste | that's 1.1 |
| 13:35.20 | Lyn_ | :x |
| 13:35.37 | haste | but you don't need to register the event |
| 13:35.47 | haste | and you don't need to change the event function |
| 13:35.57 | haste | oUF already checks for that internally |
| 13:37.09 | Lyn_ | I only don't know how I can let my layout automatically update the color IF happiness change (pre 1.1) |
| 13:38.06 | haste | I wouldn't spend too much time pondering on that |
| 13:38.41 | Lyn_ | mh, okay, thought it would be so easy xD |
| 13:38.49 | haste | oh it is :D |
| 13:38.53 | Lyn_ | :< |
| 13:39.03 | haste | you'll just have to manually register the event and replace the handler |
| 13:39.59 | Fisker- | haste |
| 13:40.00 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 13:40.05 | haste | replace is the wrong word reallay, doing: frame.UNIT_HAPPINESS = function(self, ...) end makes oUF index your function instead of the internal |
| 13:40.20 | haste | Fisker-: wub! |
| 13:40.20 | Lyn_ | Fisker-, does there exist someone you dont hate? :) |
| 13:40.33 | Fisker- | yes |
| 13:40.37 | Lyn_ | who? |
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| 13:40.52 | haste | me! |
| 13:41.08 | Lyn_ | ;) |
| 13:42.18 | haste | why can't people test before they post :( |
| 13:42.24 | Lyn_ | ? |
| 13:42.43 | haste | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10696.msg238934#msg238934 |
| 13:42.48 | haste | such a waste having to answer such D: |
| 13:45.00 | Lyn_ | ah, i see happiness.lua inside the elements folder... does that mean I can use the default happiness icon just by creating something-i-dont-know-yet-cause-my-head-aches-atm ? |
| 13:48.34 | haste | Lyn_: local hpicon = frame:CreateTexture() hpicon:SetTexture[[Interface\PetPaperDollFrame\UI-PetHappiness]] hpicon:SetWidth(23) hpicon:SetHeight(24) hpicon:SetPoint"TOP" self.Happiness = hpicon |
| 13:48.41 | haste | possible typos included |
| 13:49.24 | haste | foxlit: what :D ? |
| 13:49.32 | foxlit | hate{this=syntax} :) |
| 13:49.43 | haste | haha |
| 13:49.51 | haste | takes less time to type :p |
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| 13:50.59 | haste | Lyn_: you need some texcoord also: hpicon:SetTexCoord(0, .1875, 0, .359375) |
| 13:50.59 | ckknight | lua> hate=function(x) table.foreach(x, print) end; syntax="haste's mom"; hate{this=syntax} |
| 13:51.00 | lua_bot | ckknight: this, haste's mom |
| 13:51.09 | haste | lulz |
| 13:51.16 | Lyn_ | ah, will test that :) thanks |
| 13:51.56 | foxlit | My evil |
| 13:51.57 | foxlit | ## Interface: 20400 |
| 13:51.57 | foxlit | ## Interface: 30000 |
| 13:52.00 | foxlit | plan didn't work :( |
| 13:52.13 | foxlit | For future reference, the second line overrides the first |
| 13:52.22 | haste | aaw |
| 13:52.52 | haste | at least it shows as out of date now, and not incompatible |
| 13:53.12 | foxlit | I'm sure they'll break it at some point |
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| 13:53.38 | ckknight | I just hope we don't get 30003 again |
| 13:53.57 | ckknight | I don't think we will, though |
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| 13:54.38 | foxlit | It would be nice to be able to flag an addon as compatible for multiple Interface versions, however |
| 13:54.59 | haste | ## Interface: 20400, 30000 |
| 13:55.05 | haste | it might just work! |
| 13:55.14 | haste | dependind on how they handle such :p |
| 13:55.47 | haste | wouldn't suprise me if it did the opposite however |
| 13:56.11 | foxlit | Really should pester cog|away |
| 13:56.17 | Dark_Elf | well eventually it will all be 30000 anyways in a couple months |
| 13:56.46 | Lyn_ | icon works, no i have to wait that my boar baconboy gets content or unhappy :x |
| 13:57.14 | haste | should work as intended |
| 13:57.20 | haste | not that I have a hunter :3 |
| 13:57.25 | foxlit | Dark_Elf: and then the same story will repeat with 30100 |
| 13:57.34 | Lyn_ | :D |
| 13:58.18 | haste | in before someone does: Interface: 20400, 30000, 30100, 30200, 30300, 30400, 30500 ... |
| 13:58.56 | foxlit | There's no point in declaring compatibility with builds you cannot test against :) |
| 13:58.57 | haste | that would probably force some of my mods to get tagged as outdated on wowi D: |
| 13:59.06 | foxlit | haste: ## Interface: 20400, 30000 |
| 13:59.15 | foxlit | Considers it live on 2.4, outdated on 3.0 |
| 13:59.24 | haste | aaw :( |
| 13:59.41 | foxlit | So I'm guessing isUpToDate = interfaceLine:match("^" .. currentVersion); |
| 14:00.32 | Dark_Elf | and in 2 months the 30000 build may go through 50 incarnations so the addons now may be bugged in 2 months anyways so its an endless cycle of updating, it would be better to wait till release time to really update the addons |
| 14:01.20 | foxlit | Dark_Elf: I don't see a problem. |
| 14:01.26 | haste | Dark_Elf: having it support two versions would be nice however |
| 14:01.35 | foxlit | I'm releasing an addon that supports the current beta version anyway |
| 14:02.04 | foxlit | I can tag it as... 30000, which would mark it compatible with all the further 3.0 betas |
| 14:02.17 | foxlit | Or I could tag it as... 2.4, which would be an outright lie. |
| 14:04.26 | foxlit | So I'm not sure what you're suggesting by invoking the 50 incarnations here -- I shouldn't do any coding against the beta code, and spend the wrath release fixing addons? |
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| 14:06.19 | Dark_Elf | you can do what ya want, im just stating an opinion, and it may be 3 months till release lol seeing how november is a long time yet |
| 14:06.51 | foxlit | I'm interested in what your opinion actually is :) |
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| 14:07.08 | Kalroth | I'm not! |
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| 14:07.34 | foxlit | Kalroth: be polite, ignore it afterwards. |
| 14:07.43 | Kalroth | Oh sorry, my bad. |
| 14:07.58 | Kalroth | Dark_Elf: Your opinions intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 14:08.01 | Kalroth | foxlit: Better? |
| 14:08.05 | foxlit | Much! |
| 14:08.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. :P |
| 14:09.09 | Lyn_ | haste, works fine :D thanks |
| 14:09.19 | haste | np :3 |
| 14:10.52 | foxlit | http://wowcompares.com/latest/FrameXML/RestrictedFrames.lua |
| 14:10.57 | foxlit | waaah, wrong build :( |
| 14:11.07 | foxlit | apparently, it still thinks latest is .8788 |
| 14:12.18 | Dark_Elf | be alot more builds if the beta testers will report bugs to blizzard |
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| 14:31.14 | alestane | Well, I feel like a prize fool. |
| 14:33.09 | alestane | I had to scan through 64k spellIDs looking for the ones I wanted, so I wrote this little coroutine thing to make sure it wouldn't block out the client while it finished. |
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| 14:33.33 | alestane | And it only takes 3 seconds. |
| 14:34.28 | tardmrr | 3 is pretty long |
| 14:34.53 | alestane | For something I'm going to run once per patch it isn't that bad. |
| 14:35.03 | alestane | Oh well, I learned about coroutines. |
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| 14:36.18 | krka | <+tardmrr> 3 is pretty long --> your gf has been lying to you :( |
| 14:36.36 | Tem | :( |
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| 14:57.55 | Lopeppeppy | brb restart! |
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| 15:05.59 | Anaral | There needs to be a forum setting that lets you jump to the op's comments within a thread. |
| 15:06.23 | Anaral | Sort of like how we can jump from blue post to blue post. |
| 15:06.36 | foxlit | why limit it to the OP? |
| 15:06.44 | foxlit | Jump to this poster's next comment in this thread. |
| 15:06.58 | Anaral | Doesn't need to be limited, just what I want right now. ;) |
| 15:07.14 | foxlit | (and they could even make it semi-efficient!) |
| 15:15.46 | Nom- | holy hell |
| 15:15.55 | Anaral | What happened? |
| 15:16.05 | Nom- | one-hand mace, epic, level 80 -- has as much spell damage as my mage does now @ level 70 |
| 15:16.14 | Nom- | +490 spell dmg |
| 15:16.26 | Nom- | and that's crafted! |
| 15:16.46 | zenzelezz | do the level 80 epic spell weapons still have 40 DPS? |
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| 15:16.56 | Nom- | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=41384 <-- drool time |
| 15:17.01 | Nom- | 82.9 on that one |
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| 16:03.15 | Tem | wtb character list :( |
| 16:03.50 | Gnarfoz | wtb ~10 million exp |
| 16:03.54 | Gnarfoz | ...pst. |
| 16:04.18 | zenzelezz | reported |
| 16:05.01 | zenzelezz | I swear 90% of general and trade chat at that time was either Chuck Norris, Chuck Norris vs. Vin Diesel, or "reported" |
| 16:06.08 | Gnarfoz | mankriks wife? |
| 16:06.14 | Gnarfoz | (I don't even play horde :D) |
| 16:06.31 | zenzelezz | you fail |
| 16:06.39 | zenzelezz | you're supposed to say mankirk |
| 16:07.08 | |Jelly| | anal |
| 16:07.30 | Josh_Borke | o.O |
| 16:07.39 | |Jelly| | For instance, anal [Shoot] |
| 16:07.45 | |Jelly| | = my server |
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| 16:08.00 | malreth | MAN! |
| 16:08.19 | malreth | those people posting in the WowAce/Curse client threads are some whiny-ass bitches |
| 16:08.38 | Josh_Borke | wrong channel to complain :-P |
| 16:08.49 | zenzelezz | speaking of anal, helo malreth |
| 16:08.50 | Josh_Borke | or perhaps right channel |
| 16:08.51 | Josh_Borke | who knows |
| 16:09.06 | zenzelezz | my god, how do you typo "hello". I fail at life |
| 16:09.10 | malreth | hello, zenzelezz |
| 16:09.23 | malreth | "helo" is correct if you're speaking SMTP |
| 16:09.35 | zenzelezz | sadly I wasn't :-/ |
| 16:09.40 | zenzelezz | . |
| 16:09.42 | malreth | that's your mistake there |
| 16:09.46 | malreth | you should have said you were |
| 16:10.27 | malreth | always assume you're right first, post what you plan to say, and let others correct you for free |
| 16:10.32 | malreth | that's my philosophy |
| 16:11.29 | zenzelezz | I wonder if anyone understood the solitary dot |
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| 16:11.50 | malreth | marks the end of the message in SMTP |
| 16:11.53 | Josh_Borke | zenzelezz: did you send a ctrl+d? |
| 16:12.16 | zenzelezz | seems it's only me and malreth who (admit to) having knowledge of SMTP |
| 16:12.47 | zenzelezz | my grammar keeps failing me when I try to use parentheses |
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| 16:12.59 | Gnarfoz | EHLO :X |
| 16:13.11 | malreth | oh ho ho... look at the youngin' there |
| 16:13.18 | malreth | kids today |
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| 16:13.22 | Gnarfoz | you're just old farts :X |
| 16:13.31 | Gnarfoz | ... STARTTLS! :D |
| 16:13.44 | malreth | i swear, i can't understand anything he's sayin |
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| 16:13.59 | Josh_Borke | you people make me want to switch to microsoft products |
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| 16:14.12 | Gnarfoz | here's a MS Exchange Server for you |
| 16:14.21 | Gnarfoz | enjoy |
| 16:19.00 | |Jelly| | ~ap 1399 |
| 16:19.04 | |Jelly| | !ap 1399 |
| 16:19.08 | |Jelly| | WOOT! |
| 16:19.22 | Shirik | ~kill |Jelly| |
| 16:19.23 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged anti-graviton gun at |Jelly| |
| 16:19.32 | |Jelly| | http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/sys/811969693.html gogo or nogo ? |
| 16:19.52 | Shirik | dell's monitors are decent |
| 16:20.08 | malreth | um |
| 16:20.42 | malreth | they usually are |
| 16:20.57 | malreth | but i don't know if that model line is the good one |
| 16:21.04 | Duman | dude |
| 16:21.11 | Duman | taht monitor is $200 *NEW*, from dell |
| 16:21.20 | |Jelly| | $209 + shipping |
| 16:21.38 | Duman | oh, is that guy local to you? |
| 16:21.46 | |Jelly| | Yeah. About 15 minutes away |
| 16:22.27 | Duman | then that works, I guess :) |
| 16:22.40 | Shirik | uh |
| 16:22.46 | Shirik | confused |
| 16:22.49 | Shirik | but yeah go for it |
| 16:23.06 | |Jelly| | And so long as you configure them separately, Vista handles two monitor resolutions alright, right? I'd be going from 17"x2 at 1280x1024 to that at 1680x1050 and one still 1280x1024. |
| 16:23.09 | Duman | I don't think I could deal w/ a 20" widescreen tho... but I'm spoiled now |
| 16:23.55 | Neuro_Medivh | my 20" widescreen is great |
| 16:24.26 | Shirik | lmao |Jelly| |
| 16:24.29 | Shirik | you should go to Dell's website |
| 16:24.37 | Shirik | and look at the reviews for that monitor, sorted low to high |
| 16:24.42 | Shirik | The "low" reviews are hilarious |
| 16:25.11 | Shirik | The high resolution is useless because if one sets the resolution to 1650x1050 then all of your programs, web sites, video clips are so tiny you need a magnifying glass to read anything. No sense it paying for a |
| 16:25.11 | Shirik | monitor with such high resolution whey you have to change it to a much lower resolution to make your programs/web sites large enough to read. It is not an improvement over my 17 inch CRT I replaced. |
| 16:25.27 | Shirik | The The DVI cable doesn't fit into an ports in my CPU. |
| 16:25.33 | malreth | i almost never pay attention to user reviews |
| 16:25.48 | Duman | LOL |
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| 16:25.55 | malreth | "This monitor is useless,it doesnt even play CDs!" |
| 16:26.19 | Shirik | Now THIS is the kind of review that I like to see: "Bought this monitor after much scrutinizing and after reading numerous reviews online and on Dell. There is a TON of backlight bleeding on the top and bottom, and the screen does not do blacks very well." |
| 16:26.25 | malreth | "Stupid wedding photographer couldn't even play piano! WOULD NOT RECOMMEND1!!" |
| 16:27.28 | Shirik | This is an interesting reviwe |
| 16:27.30 | Shirik | Title: BEWARE- intergrated video |
| 16:27.32 | Shirik | ..... what? |
| 16:27.58 | Shirik | DVI---intergrated graphic ... = bad news |
| 16:28.08 | |Jelly| | http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sys/806534159.html Better? :P |
| 16:28.17 | Duman | and so it begins: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9232545336&sid=2000 |
| 16:28.36 | Shirik | Haha: Pros: One of the best I have seen. Cons: Not enough room for 3 |
| 16:29.59 | Shirik | Duman: I'm confused |
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| 16:30.15 | Neuro_Medivh | the only problem is that you are almost certainly buying the monitor hot |
| 16:30.16 | Duman | about? |
| 16:30.33 | Duman | I dunno, that was teh first premade post I'd seen on the beta forums |
| 16:30.48 | Duman | or did I paste the wrong link |
| 16:31.03 | Neuro_Medivh | what's sad is, there have only been premades for 2 test realms. |
| 16:31.30 | Neuro_Medivh | the Naxxrammas patch, and I think Sunwell |
| 16:31.51 | Shirik | Duman: I mean, why are people saying "never" etc? |
| 16:32.14 | Neuro_Medivh | why would there be premades? The whole point is to test the 70-80 content |
| 16:32.21 | Duman | I don't think they'll be doing premades in the beta... |
| 16:32.31 | Duman | unless I'm drunk, there weren't any during TBC beta |
| 16:32.33 | foxlit | They've said they will |
| 16:32.35 | Neuro_Medivh | there weren't |
| 16:32.41 | Duman | foxlit: really? |
| 16:32.43 | foxlit | And yeah, it's meh |
| 16:32.45 | Neuro_Medivh | foxlit, where? I've seen nothing on it |
| 16:32.52 | Duman | where'd they say that? |
| 16:33.24 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdE26EWGB28 |
| 16:33.39 | foxlit | (I could've been mean with that link!) |
| 16:33.42 | Duman | do I need to watch all 10min? |
| 16:34.13 | foxlit | No, but hey, why not :) |
| 16:34.32 | foxlit | But if you're impatient, skip to 1:30 |
| 16:34.46 | Neuro_Medivh | oh man, that guy's german accent is primo |
| 16:34.58 | Duman | heh, his shirt even says 'kalgan' on it... nice :) |
| 16:35.06 | Duman | BEETER |
| 16:35.16 | Duman | oh, a different realm for it |
| 16:35.17 | Duman | that's fine |
| 16:35.20 | Neuro_Medivh | I want him to say "Touch my monkey!" |
| 16:35.43 | Shirik | OH |
| 16:35.44 | Shirik | those premades |
| 16:36.04 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, Chilton is Kalgan? |
| 16:37.15 | foxlit | wowwiki can help you translate between names and nicks if you really cared |
| 16:37.18 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, they're talking about an all-80 premade realm... shrug, that's fine |
| 16:37.24 | Duman | yeah |
| 16:37.27 | Duman | that's fine |
| 16:37.28 | Neuro_Medivh | foxlit: not really =) |
| 16:37.49 | foxlit | Tom Chilton (aliases Kalgan and Evocare[1]) |
| 16:39.24 | Anaral | Why is CurseForge's svn telling me access denied when I try to commit to my project? I'm using the right username and password. |
| 16:40.16 | ckknight | Anaral: lowercase username? |
| 16:40.24 | ckknight | Anaral: you should ask in #curseforge, btw |
| 16:40.29 | Duman | it still cracks me up that my buddy was in Tigole/Furor's EQ guild |
| 16:40.38 | Neuro_Medivh | um |
| 16:40.46 | Neuro_Medivh | tigole and furor were in seperate guilds |
| 16:40.47 | Anaral | Thanks |
| 16:40.55 | Duman | eh? |
| 16:41.23 | Neuro_Medivh | Tigole was guildleader of Legacy of Steel, Furor was gl of Fires of Heaven |
| 16:41.33 | Neuro_Medivh | is furor still with Blizzard even? |
| 16:41.35 | Duman | ahh, ok he was in tigole's |
| 16:42.26 | foxlit | "Alex Afrasiabi (alias Furor/Foror), Iranian-American, is an employee of Blizzard Entertainment, where he works as a quest designer for the game World of Warcraft." |
| 16:44.42 | Duman | ahh, rob pardo was in that eq guild.. maybe that's who he mentioned... |
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| 16:50.57 | malreth | Firefox extension that cleans up YouTube comments: http://www.flickr.com/photos/waxpancake/2790444683/ |
| 16:51.04 | malreth | we needs that for the entire internets |
| 16:52.08 | Duman | haha, nice |
| 16:52.19 | Duman | auto-hides comments with excessive punctuation and caps? :) |
| 16:52.27 | foxlit | spelling |
| 16:53.20 | |Jelly| | Is there a mod that will automagically respond to "spec?" whispers with me spec? I'm really pretty lazy today. |
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| 16:57.37 | malreth | nsfw language... Richard Dawkins reading aloud his hate mail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlJdFf3hV7I |
| 17:02.20 | malreth | oh... they finally redid sylvanas' model |
| 17:02.36 | Duman | hehe |
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| 17:07.59 | Duman | ok, I was all sorts of confused about my EQ friend, hah |
| 17:08.44 | Lunessa | !NOITATS |
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| 17:12.57 | erikd | i wish they weren't doing lvl 80 premades |
| 17:13.18 | Dashkal | I seem to recall a blue stating that it would be on a new beta server... |
| 17:13.24 | Duman | they will be on another server |
| 17:13.26 | erikd | yeah, they did |
| 17:13.32 | Dashkal | ok good, then I don't give a damn |
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| 17:13.44 | erikd | but people will just be playing there to do 80 stuff |
| 17:14.10 | erikd | which means you can just hop in, not care about testing anything and just want to play a level 80 |
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| 17:14.38 | erikd | whereas if they didn't do that i know everyone i group with at 80 cares enough to at least level all the way |
| 17:15.11 | Dashkal | This is why I'm glad they get their own server to sandbox with. I'll stick to northrend and continue testing with those I know dealt with the whole grind up. |
| 17:16.06 | erikd | i'm worried that people who have been leveling on the pve/pvp server will just jump ship to that one and i won't find people to group with |
| 17:17.00 | Bouvi | I am bored at work. |
| 17:17.09 | Lopeppeppy | Bouvi... www.ebaumsworld.com |
| 17:17.18 | ccox | premade toons will give addon developers a chance to test with maxed out items/skills/etc. without spending time on the grind |
| 17:17.28 | Bouvi | Hard to hide video |
| 17:17.29 | ccox | I'd welcome it, just for the addon testing |
| 17:18.27 | erikd | i can see your point :) |
| 17:18.55 | ccox | now, it wouldn't be nearly as fun as having levelled myself - but I'll do that once the expansion goes live |
| 17:19.12 | Lopeppeppy | Um... what can Bouvi hide at work to amuse himself.... |
| 17:19.15 | ccox | (you know, where I get to KEEP my new stuff) |
| 17:19.51 | Bouvi | I have already reached the end of the internet. I am tired but got alot of sleep last night. I have to teach tonight so will be home late *sigh* |
| 17:21.14 | Lopeppeppy | Powernap. Meditate. Play beer pong without the beers. |
| 17:21.26 | cbreak | a new beta server would be nice |
| 17:21.53 | Lunessa | *gag* http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/latest |
| 17:23.05 | Bouvi | Lunessa it is a 2 for 1 deal |
| 17:23.16 | ccox | lol |
| 17:24.12 | ccox | one sight gag, and one real gag |
| 17:24.38 | ccox | love that "4 people and a small pet" shot |
| 17:28.57 | |Jelly| | [P] <Lesli>: Well, if you have a problem watching your own threat, to me it means you have a damage meter and want to watch your numbers go up. -- I hate people |
| 17:43.20 | Lopeppeppy | There's not, darlin'. There totally is not. |
| 17:43.26 | Lopeppeppy | Students come back soon too. :( |
| 17:44.29 | Lunessa | I'm totally out of time to do anything useful or entertaining. 6-day work-week last week, and a switch to monthly from hourly on the first... trying to cram in all the over-time I can get. |
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| 17:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | All of us on college campuses are saying the same thing. Makes for ulcers. |
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| 17:57.47 | ccox | Nothing like students to ruin a perfectly good college campus... |
| 17:57.56 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously!! |
| 17:58.00 | Lopeppeppy | It would be perfect without them! |
| 17:58.02 | ccox | especially those pesky undergrads |
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| 18:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Grad students are worse, they think they understand things. At least undergrads are deliciously clueless and know it. |
| 18:01.18 | nevcairiel | Hah, i currently do my assistant thingy in the C class |
| 18:01.28 | nevcairiel | its funny how clueless some people are about C |
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| 18:01.47 | ccox | Lone - just descibing the attitudes of some of my peers |
| 18:02.22 | ccox | Lope - I love undergrads, they're so gullible |
| 18:02.51 | ccox | Lope - but grad students are how I get work done, without them everything grinds to a halt! |
| 18:03.57 | ccox | Lope - and I'm waiting for one to return so we can get back to dating^h^h^h^h^h^hresearch |
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| 18:08.35 | Josh_Borke | ccox: lol |
| 18:09.16 | Lopeppeppy | ... yeah. Research. Sure. |
| 18:09.23 | Lopeppeppy | Tab A, slot B, what's to research? |
| 18:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, I fail |
| 18:09.45 | Neuro_Medivh | it's an interesting ecology... Professors date grad students, grad students date undergrads, undergrads date freshmen, and freshmen date high school seniors |
| 18:09.46 | ccox | Lope - high energy physics |
| 18:09.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Walk into my math class, professor walks in, and it's Bio 3120 |
| 18:09.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Turns out I'm an hour early, yay free hour! |
| 18:10.05 | Lopeppeppy | ccox, of course sex is high energy physicis. If it's not, you're doing it wrong. |
| 18:10.10 | ccox | bingo |
| 18:10.19 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, go get some sunshine. |
| 18:10.23 | Neuro_Medivh | Love=Chemistry, but Sex=Physics |
| 18:10.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: or not. It's 100 out there. |
| 18:10.41 | ccox | "love is a matter of chemistry, sex is a matter of physics, lust is a matter of biology, and S&M is best left to the ROTC" |
| 18:11.22 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1: Or not. It's too hot. Get a nice cold soda and watch plants wilt. |
| 18:11.37 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent, ccox. |
| 18:11.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Now you're talking |
| 18:11.58 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, wonder what the chances of a new build today are... 8820 is too buggy |
| 18:12.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I think that lunch sounds 100% awesome though |
| 18:12.30 | Lopeppeppy | Food is good, ScytheBlade1. I encourage it. |
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| 18:15.03 | Lunessa | I for one, could do with a lot less getting dismounted when I'm high up. |
| 18:15.58 | Neuro_Medivh | well, you could make like the Kiwi and pretend to fly while falling |
| 18:16.00 | Lopeppeppy | ...... |
| 18:17.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Lope, I'm sure Lunessa was refering to IN GAME |
| 18:18.06 | NightHawkTheSane | but thats far less entertaining |
| 18:18.06 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I'm glad your brain is x-rated. Means I don't have to explain jokes. |
| 18:19.25 | Lunessa | ;) |
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| 18:25.31 | frop | yello |
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| 18:25.53 | frop | anyone know what's of OptionHouse? and AddonAddoff? |
| 18:29.26 | AckisWork | WTF http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=9344062&ch=4226713&src=news |
| 18:30.22 | Fisker- | why so serious AckisWork? |
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| 18:35.44 | AckisWork | Fisker-: my love |
| 18:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: heh, splatter death in the hills? |
| 18:37.57 | Lunessa | I fell for 11K damage this morning. |
| 18:38.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah... they really need to fix that soon |
| 18:41.00 | Lunessa | But, I mad 78 and was able to upgrade several pieces of gear :D |
| 18:41.45 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, nice |
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| 18:59.40 | Syzgyn | hm... something in my interface folder is preventing me from loading in the beta |
| 18:59.57 | Lopeppeppy | Delete it? |
| 19:00.05 | erikd | *gasp* |
| 19:00.40 | Lopeppeppy | I know. Peppy is a serious revolutionary. |
| 19:00.40 | Syzgyn | Eugh, its something in the addon I'm writing |
| 19:00.40 | Syzgyn | great |
| 19:02.43 | kd3 | yay, rain |
| 19:02.51 | kd3 | thank you what's left of TS Fay |
| 19:03.07 | erikd | i wish we had some thunderstorms here =/ |
| 19:03.13 | erikd | it's been awhile |
| 19:04.04 | Syzgyn | where are you at kd3? It's been pouring the past 2 days here in GA |
| 19:04.06 | Lunessa | kd3: Heh... I got some rain from it, but that's it. :P |
| 19:04.16 | kd3 | up in atlanta |
| 19:04.35 | kd3 | we got the first real rain bands from it last night |
| 19:04.40 | Syzgyn | yeah |
| 19:04.43 | Syzgyn | I'm up in Roswell |
| 19:04.57 | kd3 | heh, I'm out towards dallas |
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| 19:05.18 | Syzgyn | oh, I see how it is |
| 19:06.13 | Syzgyn | we did really need the rain though |
| 19:06.39 | kd3 | no kidding. I'm still hoping that the center will come our way and just sit on top of the lakes for a few days |
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| 19:14.10 | Jamash | So I have this new addon, that pops up a window when you learn new abilities with spellboook-style buttons that you can drag to your action bars, and I can't figure out which category to put it in on WoWInterface |
| 19:15.10 | foxlit | Miscellaneous is always a good bet if you can't place it elsewhere |
| 19:15.45 | Lopeppeppy | And if you study the site in greater detail and want it moved, you can always ask for a recategorization (or so I would assume) |
| 19:15.57 | Jamash | it's sort of an action bar mod, sort of |
| 19:15.58 | Kaso | Action Bar seems like the obvious choice, that or Buff, Debuff & Spell |
| 19:16.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd go action bar mod, probably |
| 19:16.14 | foxlit | Except it doesn't offer you an actual Action Bar |
| 19:16.25 | foxlit | (i.e. you can't cast from it?) |
| 19:16.39 | Jamash | oh yeah, you can cast from it |
| 19:16.46 | NightHawkTheSane | true, but it seems designed to be used in conjuction with action bars. |
| 19:17.18 | Jamash | I guess Action Bar then |
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| 19:50.48 | Thunder_Child | so build a new one |
| 20:12.14 | Lopeppeppy | Is FF 3 still considered a beta release? |
| 20:12.56 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 20:13.46 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie. |
| 20:14.10 | erikd | they're actually going to be releasing 3.1 in a few months and it's going to rock |
| 20:14.15 | Thunder_Child | i guess that means you missed the worldwide release event |
| 20:14.15 | erikd | go go JIT javascript! |
| 20:14.21 | Tekkub | how exactly do the greater blessings work with pets? if you cast on a hunter pet all hunter's pets get it? |
| 20:15.20 | foxlit | Non-authorative: they share blessings with warriors |
| 20:15.36 | Lopeppeppy | Authoritative -- what warriors get, pets get. |
| 20:15.38 | foxlit | But hey, find yourself a paladin |
| 20:15.46 | Lopeppeppy | < -- am paladin in the movies |
| 20:16.04 | Tekkub | okey, so I don't need to make special settings for pets? |
| 20:16.13 | Tekkub | just use the warrior setting? |
| 20:16.23 | Lopeppeppy | Only for when there are pets in the raid and not warriors, which does happen sometimes. |
| 20:16.46 | Tekkub | or the pally targets a pet outside raid to buff |
| 20:16.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 20:17.02 | Tekkub | it'll get a normal of course, not a greater |
| 20:17.18 | Lopeppeppy | I like that Pally Power allows me to see warriors and pets separately, for use of normal and out of raid buffing, etc. |
| 20:17.49 | Tekkub | but the game handles that for me, if they're not in raid IsSpellInRange seems to return nil |
| 20:18.01 | Esamynn | Lunessa: heh, beat me by 3 seconds :P |
| 20:18.27 | Tekkub | Lopeppeppy, well I got you here... how exactly does raid buffing usually work out for you? |
| 20:18.40 | Tekkub | like, preffered buffs |
| 20:19.08 | Lunessa | :P |
| 20:19.14 | Tekkub | often have people that want something different than the class gets? do you make exceptions to the greaters or just blanket everyone? |
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| 20:19.38 | foxlit | Depends entirely on the number of paladins in the raid |
| 20:19.41 | Esamynn | Tekkub: actually what buff the pet gets depends on what type of pet it is |
| 20:19.53 | Esamynn | for example, I think Cats share Rogue buffs |
| 20:20.00 | Tekkub | Esamynn, so caster pets get what mages get? |
| 20:20.09 | Esamynn | dunno |
| 20:20.13 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 20:20.19 | Lunessa | Not many hunters use caster pets. |
| 20:20.20 | Esamynn | I just know that it isn't all pets share warrior buffs |
| 20:20.25 | Tekkub | so I might not want to just take the warrior setting? |
| 20:20.40 | Tekkub | what about lock pets? |
| 20:20.51 | Esamynn | no idea |
| 20:20.54 | Lopeppeppy | Lock pets = pets |
| 20:21.15 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 20:21.35 | Lopeppeppy | Esamynn is right. Lock pets get what locks get. Mage pets *would* get what mages get, if they were out at the time (I am assuming). |
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| 20:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | ... pets are bloody confusing. |
| 20:22.02 | Tekkub | yea... maybe I'll just ignore them for now |
| 20:22.04 | Esamynn | ~stab Lopeppeppy |
| 20:22.05 | purl | ACTION runs at Lopeppeppy with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 20:22.20 | Tekkub | if users bitch for me to add them I'll worry about it then |
| 20:22.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh... do it again! |
| 20:22.35 | Esamynn | ... lol |
| 20:23.19 | Tekkub | Lopeppeppy, back to the other question, do you make exceptions to the greaters for people that want something different, or just blanket the whole class with the greater and forget about them? |
| 20:26.43 | Lunessa | I can't do support today... I haz teh dumbz |
| 20:26.54 | Lopeppeppy | Tekkub, I make the class officers be the one who decides for their class (full raiding group). Hunters never get salv, for example, because their leader says so. The only exceptions we make is to over-write Light with Salv for fury and feral droods. Everyone else sucks up their class buffs no matter their precious spec. |
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| 20:27.18 | Syzgyn | Thats right, gimme my salv |
| 20:27.52 | Tekkub | Lopeppeppy, well I'm dealing in Wrath here so it's only wis/might/salv/kings |
| 20:28.10 | Esamynn | Tekkub: no salv |
| 20:28.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. No salv. |
| 20:28.23 | Tekkub | s/salv/sanc/ |
| 20:28.50 | foxlit | Two things: GetCursorInfo() returns odd stuff for companions; detecting which mounts is what type of mount is evil. Anyone got solutions for either? |
| 20:28.52 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't had enough experience with the blessings on a raid level in Beta to answer you, Tekkub. |
| 20:29.12 | Lopeppeppy | If you can catch AnduinLothar active, he might have better insight. |
| 20:29.13 | Tekkub | well you're the only person that really answered me about pets so... :P |
| 20:29.39 | Lopeppeppy | I have yet to get an instance group on Beta, much less a raid group. :( |
| 20:29.58 | Tekkub | I think I'll just stick with Cork handling Greaters only, fall back to normal if not castable, and forget about override unless it becomes a huge demand |
| 20:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | Start basic, you can always add more features later. :) |
| 20:32.15 | Tekkub | fucking hunters running around with annoying rhinos... now that I want a pet to target they're all gone |
| 20:32.29 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 20:33.07 | Tekkub | it *looks* like the game reports pets back as "WARRIOR" |
| 20:33.19 | Syzgyn | That sounds right |
| 20:33.22 | Tekkub | I might just use that and blame blizzy if they don't like the buff the pet gets |
| 20:33.36 | Tekkub | now I need a warlock pet to test |
| 20:33.37 | Esamynn | Tekkub: what type of pet did you target? |
| 20:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | Hunter pets, Tekkub.... |
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| 20:33.57 | Tekkub | rex and a wyvern or chimera or something |
| 20:34.44 | Tekkub | cat's WARRIOR too |
| 20:34.57 | Tekkub | and moth |
| 20:35.00 | Esamynn | well |
| 20:35.05 | Esamynn | that's no help then :/ |
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| 20:35.22 | Tekkub | wonder what a pet ghoul is |
| 20:35.38 | Esamynn | EVIL! |
| 20:35.44 | foxlit | iirc, Rogue |
| 20:35.45 | Esamynn | err, wait |
| 20:35.57 | foxlit | if class highlighting on my unit frames and my memory are to be believed |
| 20:38.10 | Tekkub | lol, felguard is PALADIN |
| 20:38.34 | Syzgyn | I think thats because it has mana? |
| 20:40.03 | Esamynn | still funny |
| 20:40.16 | Tekkub | DK ghoul is ROGUE, wacky |
| 20:41.11 | Neo|Other | FG = ret pally! |
| 20:41.13 | Syzgyn | lolwtf |
| 20:42.03 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz probably pushing a version of SBB for wotlk later today with the fix |
| 20:42.08 | Shadowed | once I remember to download the newest patch |
| 20:42.18 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: heh |
| 20:42.46 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: I don't even remember what I sent you :X anyway, it's quite broken atm - only external buffs show times for some reason |
| 20:43.02 | Gnarfoz | I was going to try and fix it, but haven't really gotten around to it |
| 20:43.19 | Tekkub | imps are MAGE |
| 20:43.57 | Neo|Other | for raiding melee pets should really be considered rogues not warriors |
| 20:44.51 | Tekkub | well they're not and it's not my problem! :) |
| 20:44.51 | Syzgyn | wars and rogues get almost the same buffes either way |
| 20:44.51 | Syzgyn | s/buffes/buffs |
| 20:45.08 | Shadowed | Yea I had to clean up a few things before I got around to it |
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| 20:48.50 | malreth | http://tapespace.com/view/Don_t_Drop_That_Server |
| 20:51.07 | Neo|Other | Syzgyn: depends on the number of pallies |
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| 21:02.02 | frop | Tekkub sorry to ask, but is Addonaddoff still under dev? |
| 21:02.16 | cladhaire | MY MOM IS STILL UNDER DEV |
| 21:02.18 | Tekkub | not really, I never used it enough to be worth it |
| 21:02.35 | frop | got mymom button today :) funny mod |
| 21:02.59 | frop | so, there's no way to handle "profiles" under ampere or OptionHouse? |
| 21:03.29 | foxlit | Hm, so I have those Storm Peaks flight points |
| 21:03.37 | foxlit | Wonder what would happen if I actually used them |
| 21:03.51 | cladhaire | frop: whats wrong with AddonAddOff? |
| 21:04.02 | frop | cladhaire i cannot find it anywhere :P |
| 21:04.09 | cladhaire | tekkub.net? |
| 21:04.21 | frop | /cry where? |
| 21:04.31 | cladhaire | http://tekkub.net |
| 21:04.31 | cladhaire | ? |
| 21:04.38 | frop | i'm there :P |
| 21:04.47 | frop | cannot find it...neither on github repo |
| 21:05.04 | Tekkub | I don't think I ever pushed it to github, I can one sec |
| 21:05.31 | Josh_Borke | ~lart cladhaire |
| 21:05.31 | purl | whacks cladhaire upside the head |
| 21:05.32 | frop | there's no link on tekkub.net seems |
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| 21:06.28 | frop | http://github.com/tekkub/addonaddoff/tree |
| 21:06.29 | frop | yurrr |
| 21:06.43 | Tekkub | there, is pushed |
| 21:06.58 | Lunessa | I no can do support today - http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/07/07/funny-pictures-i-have-the-dumb/ |
| 21:07.14 | frop | thanks Tekkub ^^ |
| 21:07.51 | frop | now i need to learn to "Git Bash" |
| 21:08.11 | Stanzilla | Tekkub: can has tekPlayerMenu, too? :P |
| 21:08.30 | Tekkub | it not on github either? bah |
| 21:08.35 | frop | rofl |
| 21:09.21 | Tekkub | oh it's not git at all in my live folder.. think I fixed that on wrath though |
| 21:09.35 | Stanzilla | TheLowDown and TheBigPicture are also missing :P |
| 21:09.42 | Tekkub | hrm... nope there either |
| 21:09.56 | Tekkub | TLD and TDP are unchanged since release |
| 21:09.56 | Fisker- | AckisWork |
| 21:09.59 | Fisker- | you cannot stop me |
| 21:10.18 | AckisWork | wot? |
| 21:10.32 | Fisker- | you cannot stop me |
| 21:10.33 | Lunessa | The only way to defeat Fisker- is to become Fisker- |
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| 21:10.43 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 21:11.20 | AckisWork | Fisker- is easy to defeat |
| 21:11.33 | Stanzilla | Tekkub: mkay, you should link the wowi versions then on tekkub.net :) |
| 21:11.47 | Tekkub | tekkub.net auto-generates from github |
| 21:12.09 | Stanzilla | ah i see |
| 21:15.17 | Fisker- | then do it AckisWork |
| 21:15.20 | Fisker- | i dare you |
| 21:15.22 | Fisker- | i double dare you |
| 21:15.31 | AckisWork | ok... /ignore Fisker- |
| 21:15.37 | Fisker- | that wasn't defeat |
| 21:15.39 | Fisker- | duh |
| 21:15.59 | AckisWork | well I can't see anything Fisker- says, so that means I've defeated him! VICTORY |
| 21:16.43 | Fisker- | But you can |
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| 21:17.28 | Shadowed | errrr 600 MB patch |
| 21:17.33 | Shadowed | guess you'll have to wait until tomorrow Gnarfoz |
| 21:17.43 | Gnarfoz | I'm in no hurry |
| 21:17.53 | Gnarfoz | and I doubt I'll get to play tomorrow |
| 21:17.55 | Gnarfoz | bday! :D |
| 21:18.28 | alestane | Many happy many happy. |
| 21:19.23 | erikd | new patch today? |
| 21:20.08 | nevcairiel | 600mb sounds like the previous patch |
| 21:22.11 | Fisker- | yeah |
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| 21:22.31 | Fisker- | doesn't sound likely that they would have that big a patch ready already |
| 21:22.36 | Duman | erm |
| 21:22.42 | Duman | something is messed up w/ stats in beta |
| 21:23.00 | Duman | I just stripped, and I have -43 crit rating and -28 hit rating |
| 21:23.06 | Duman | which is... disturbing |
| 21:24.02 | Cide | stop sucking! |
| 21:24.19 | Duman | :-( |
| 21:24.46 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 21:24.55 | Gnarfoz | never mind, they broke pallies |
| 21:24.56 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 21:25.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: .. i repaired my gear.. and -lost- hit rating >.> |
| 21:25.06 | Duman | http://i33.tinypic.com/21cglty.jpg |
| 21:25.51 | erikd | i think i read somewhere (/1 in game) that the paper doll readout was bugged for everyone |
| 21:26.07 | Duman | I guess |
| 21:27.13 | Dashkal | I've been seeing all sorts of complaints about the char sheet being wrong |
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| 21:28.56 | Gnarfoz | I don't mind wrongly displayed data |
| 21:29.06 | Gnarfoz | I do mind judgement doing nothing but eat mana |
| 21:29.06 | foxlit | Duman: easy |
| 21:29.07 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 21:29.13 | foxlit | Your unarmed skill is pathetic |
| 21:29.19 | foxlit | So you lose crit chance :) |
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| 21:29.38 | Gnarfoz | which... is not measured in rating? |
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| 21:30.03 | Gnarfoz | and it's obviously impossible to get a negative crit chance like displayed there? ;X |
| 21:30.16 | foxlit | It's displayed as 0 :) |
| 21:30.33 | foxlit | Your negative crit rating just affects it negatively :) |
| 21:30.35 | Gnarfoz | oh, right |
| 21:30.44 | Gnarfoz | it says +- though |
| 21:30.44 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 21:30.51 | foxlit | + is part of the format string |
| 21:30.54 | foxlit | - is part of the number |
| 21:30.54 | Gnarfoz | anyway, hit rating comes from gear |
| 21:31.06 | Gnarfoz | not wearing gear shouldn't give you anything but 0 hit rating |
| 21:31.48 | Gnarfoz | anyway, broken judgement yaaay |
| 21:31.52 | Gnarfoz | sleep tiems. |
| 21:33.35 | Duman | heh |
| 21:33.47 | Duman | didn't matter if I had a weapon equipped or not ;) |
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| 21:39.55 | Sarajevo | what is this channel about ? |
| 21:40.05 | Esine | is it possible to draw with the API? lines or other shapes? I understand rectangles are possible of course.. |
| 21:40.14 | Esine | Sarajevo, World of Warcraft UI AddOn development |
| 21:40.36 | amro|afk | Esine: look at the Flight frame |
| 21:40.45 | Esine | oh yeah.. there's lines in there! |
| 21:41.04 | Sarajevo | ah |
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| 21:41.06 | Sarajevo | cool |
| 21:41.20 | Sarajevo | is there any channel dedicated to Warcraft III The frozen throne ? |
| 21:41.40 | Esine | try #wc3? :) you may have better luck at QuakeNet than here in FreeNode |
| 21:41.40 | Sarajevo | Esine, yes , use gdi+ |
| 21:41.56 | Esine | Sarajevo, :-( GDI+ is Windows only and has nothing to do with wow addons :( |
| 21:41.58 | Sarajevo | ok thanks |
| 21:42.36 | Sarajevo | sorry I didn't know that WoW can be actually run on different OSes, I thought it was Win only |
| 21:43.01 | Esine | well WoW is for Windows and OS X but I run it on Linux |
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| 21:43.22 | Sarajevo | wow |
| 21:43.29 | Sarajevo | heh |
| 21:43.43 | Sarajevo | I didn't know you can run it on linux, you use an emulating program for that ? |
| 21:43.47 | Sarajevo | Wine? |
| 21:43.50 | Esine | wine, yes |
| 21:43.55 | Esine | and Wine Is Not an Emulator ;) |
| 21:44.07 | Sarajevo | hmm how's that ? |
| 21:44.28 | Esine | well, it doesn't emulate any machine. Wine is a reimplementation of Win32 and related libraries for unix systems |
| 21:44.44 | Sarajevo | ah ok , thanks for the info |
| 21:44.54 | Esine | though it also includes an interpreter for running Windows programs |
| 21:44.56 | Esine | sort of |
| 21:45.21 | Esine | .. so therefore it's not really slow as what you might normally think when you think of emulation |
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| 21:45.31 | Esine | but enough talk about that! |
| 21:47.12 | erikd | i've had nothing but problems with wow on linux |
| 21:47.18 | Sarajevo | hmm |
| 21:47.22 | Sarajevo | cool |
| 21:47.30 | amro|afk | erikd: ati? |
| 21:47.35 | erikd | nvidia |
| 21:47.57 | Esine | yeah I guess some people are having problems, but it's always worked perfectly for me. In fact I've never played wow on any other platform |
| 21:48.02 | erikd | i even got the cedega release to try that |
| 21:48.30 | Esine | that's actually the problem with a lot of free software. "it works for me so there's no point fixing it" |
| 21:48.30 | erikd | i'd love to move full time to linux but my games and my profession are holding me back >< |
| 21:48.34 | Sarajevo | I have Intel Dual core 2.52 ghz (7200), 2 gigs of ram, 160 hdd and Nvidia GeForce 8500GT (512 mb) |
| 21:48.41 | Sarajevo | can I play WoW on high details ? |
| 21:48.53 | Sarajevo | should I have any problems with playing wow on this machine ? |
| 21:49.48 | erikd | i thought it was funny back when q3 came out that they ran a windows and linux benchmark and the linux benchmark blew the windows one out of the water. i was hoping that'd be the proof developers needed to start really supporting linux |
| 21:53.39 | Neuro_Medivh | that's disappointing... just finished dragonblight (except for the group quests) and haven't gotten a fedex quest to send me to a new area =( |
| 21:54.24 | erikd | i hear you should go to grizzly hills |
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| 21:54.35 | Duman | BOO. |
| 21:54.42 | Duman | I open my mailbox and the world server crashes |
| 21:54.53 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, so it's YOUR fault |
| 21:54.57 | Esine | it was a bomb- |
| 21:55.00 | erikd | haha |
| 21:55.34 | Duman | :-( |
| 21:55.35 | Duman | my bad |
| 21:55.35 | kd3 | neruo; you alliance or horde? there's an alliance quest out of wintergarde to amberpine, and there's a neutral quest up in the northeast from the argent camp up into ZD |
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| 21:57.43 | Icecoldcoke | kd3 I saw you in Grizlly Hills. |
| 21:57.49 | kd3 | yup |
| 21:57.55 | kd3 | doing the drakuru questline |
| 21:58.09 | Icecoldcoke | Me too. :o |
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| 22:22.34 | alestane | So, I made a little add-on on Beta to save a list of all spells I could find that might be mount summons. Only, it doesn't appear to be saving this list where I would expect. The variable names are copied and pasted from the Lua. Any ideas? |
| 22:23.24 | alestane | Actually, it looks like they've ended up filed under my Live account name. |
| 22:23.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Baby Bear pet.. this is disturbingly cute.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGKttSetkR0 |
| 22:34.54 | Syzgyn | NightHawkTheSane: Wow thats sickeningly cute |
| 22:35.36 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't it! |
| 22:36.25 | Syzgyn | It almost makes me want to finish leveling my hunter just to transfer him and get that pet |
| 22:36.44 | End | wow, I'm surprised tourguide doesnt suggest my talent spec too |
| 22:37.03 | End | one of the steps actually has me go and tame a new pet :P |
| 22:37.08 | Syzgyn | haha |
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| 22:41.38 | zenzelezz | <J2> You know what would be an awesome catchphrase for Arthas in WOTLK? <J2> Arthas: Revenge is a dish BEST SERVED COLD! |
| 22:43.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i think it's been done before. ;) |
| 22:43.41 | zenzelezz | quite sure it has, but it still made me laugh |
| 22:46.34 | Neuro_Medivh | after seeing the flashback of arthas pre-Frostmourne, I think his father was secretly glad that he turned into the Lich King, because anything was better than the whiny little bitch he was |
| 22:47.04 | smcn | i just recently saw a hunter with a rhino, that is the coolest thing ever imo |
| 22:47.24 | NightHawkTheSane | you, sir, clearly did not watch the video i posted. :P |
| 22:47.38 | End | shaman hate my hunter |
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| 22:48.15 | zenzelezz | shaman ate my hunter |
| 22:48.27 | End | undead shaman? |
| 22:49.03 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I had to inject insulin after watching that. |
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| 23:02.11 | Lunessa | Sometimes I wonder; why the hell do I punish myself posting in UI & Macros forum. |
| 23:02.25 | zenzelezz | masochist |
| 23:03.34 | Lunessa | Hurt me baby one more time. |
| 23:11.57 | Mike-N-Go | I logged in, and I get, "Profilling is on. This decreases game performance. Disable?" |
| 23:12.05 | Mike-N-Go | What is this profilling? |
| 23:12.14 | p3lim | any admins here? |
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| 23:13.31 | Mike-N-Go | p3lim: Yes, there are some. |
| 23:14.05 | wereHamster | Lunessa: fetishism? |
| 23:14.23 | Lunessa | That would be kinkiy |
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| 23:19.48 | kd3 | Cairenn, Dolby Shirik: ping |
| 23:19.58 | Cairenn | kd3: pong |
| 23:20.02 | zenzelezz | not this again... |
| 23:20.02 | kd3 | ^ |
| 23:20.11 | NightHawkTheSane | that was.... intereting. |
| 23:20.11 | Cairenn | oh for the love of ... |
| 23:20.32 | Cairenn | hahahaha, Dave2 is on it! |
| 23:20.35 | t | Cairenn: I just cleared this channels mlock setting as it undid my +r |
| 23:20.53 | Cairenn | errr, ok, t is on it, not Dave2 |
| 23:21.14 | t | most are being hit by our proxy scanner |
| 23:21.22 | Cairenn | t yeah, we had taken +r off just the other day |
| 23:21.36 | Cairenn | I'll put it back on |
| 23:21.38 | t | you'd mlocked it off so noone could enabled it |
| 23:21.43 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 23:22.09 | t | this is probably the same guy that got pissed off with you months ago |
| 23:22.10 | zenzelezz | Cairenn is very protective of her Rs |
| 23:22.45 | t | +tnc makes sense |
| 23:26.25 | t | :) |
| 23:26.57 | alestane | So what the H&#% was that? |
| 23:27.15 | zenzelezz | I think you misspelt the H word |
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| 23:27.51 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: im pretty sure that was spam. |
| 23:27.53 | alestane | I 'masked' it...overt profanity is not usually part of this particular persona. |
| 23:28.16 | zenzelezz | I don't tend to this of that word as profanity |
| 23:28.18 | alestane | Isn't spam supposed to advertise something, or whatnot? |
| 23:28.32 | alestane | Or is that some kind of Base64 spam? |
| 23:28.56 | Lopeppeppy | spam for it's own sake is quite popular, actually |
| 23:29.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 23:29.09 | Cairenn | alestane: we're thinking it may be the same guy that was chasing ckk around a few months ago |
| 23:29.15 | NightHawkTheSane | this is probably just spam meant to annoy/irritate |
| 23:29.19 | zenzelezz | but I do believe that pointless spam is more often called "flooding" |
| 23:29.27 | ckknight | Cairenn: could be someone different, who knows |
| 23:29.47 | Lopeppeppy | Flood this, spam that... ANNOYING = badthing, whatever your world |
| 23:29.55 | Cairenn | ckknight: could be, but in talking with the freenode folks, they say it's coming from the same general proxies |
| 23:30.01 | ckknight | ugh |
| 23:30.04 | ckknight | lamers |
| 23:30.08 | Cairenn | that's why they think it may be the same guy |
| 23:30.09 | alestane | The word "j'moke" comes to mind. |
| 23:30.18 | Dave2 | I'd say it's almost certainly the same. |
| 23:30.23 | NightHawkTheSane | :\ |
| 23:31.08 | Chompers | someone was chasing ckk? |
| 23:31.14 | Chompers | like, in a sexy way? |
| 23:31.19 | ckknight | and others, Chompers |
| 23:31.26 | Chompers | oh my |
| 23:31.31 | Cairenn | I hadn't thought it was the same guy at first either, because he wasn't using ckk in his spam this time, but t said it's from the same general proxies, thus ... |
| 23:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ... and.. now i need to bleach my mind. |
| 23:31.39 | alestane | Not by my definition of the word "sexy" but... |
| 23:31.48 | zenzelezz | Chompers: I don't know about "sexy", but he used the F word a lot |
| 23:32.04 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: well, you know.. different strokes.. |
| 23:32.23 | Cairenn | Chompers: someone was pissed off at ckk a while back (I don't even remember why) and was finding every channel he was in and spamming them with "f*** ckknight" etc |
| 23:32.37 | Keias | People are silly |
| 23:33.03 | Cairenn | every channel he was in had to go +r to at least slow them down, until the lovely freenode folks could get them klined |
| 23:33.34 | ajmitch | the internet brings out the best in everyone |
| 23:34.01 | Dashkal | reasonable person + anonymity = asshat? |
| 23:34.43 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+r] by ChanServ |
| 23:34.51 | Lopeppeppy | No. Unreasonable asshat + anonymity = extra work for Cairenn. We disapprove. |
| 23:35.07 | Cairenn | Dashkal: all too frequently, yes |
| 23:35.13 | alestane | "Normal person + Anonymity + audience = total fuckwad"...the John Gabriel Greater Internet Fuckwad theory. |
| 23:35.43 | Chompers | i remember that Cairenn |
| 23:35.45 | Chompers | with the bots |
| 23:35.55 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 23:35.56 | Dashkal | alestane: that's the one |
| 23:36.00 | Chompers | man he must've really pissed the guy off |
| 23:36.06 | Chompers | greats |
| 23:36.10 | Chompers | grats* |
| 23:36.52 | alestane | Found it: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/ |
| 23:38.15 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+R] by ChanServ |
| 23:39.07 | Syzgyn | <-- IRC Noob. Whats +R do? |
| 23:39.24 | Dave2 | +R = only identified nicks can talk |
| 23:39.24 | kd3 | you've gotta have a registered nick to join the chan |
| 23:39.29 | Syzgyn | aha |
| 23:40.06 | Dave2 | (which is similar to +r, only identified nicks can join.) |
| 23:40.25 | Cairenn | double the protection ;) |
| 23:40.38 | NightHawkTheSane | like wearing two condoms? |
| 23:40.39 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 23:40.43 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 23:40.53 | Cairenn | more like belt & braces |
| 23:41.22 | alestane | Braces == suspenders. for Americans. |
| 23:41.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i just assumed she typoed bracers. |
| 23:42.05 | Cairenn | what alestane said :) |
| 23:42.09 | NightHawkTheSane | but uh.. that may be the rpg geek in me |
| 23:42.15 | Syzgyn | haha |
| 23:42.19 | Keias | I like that much better than the two condoms comment |
| 23:42.28 | Keias | I can still feel my pants with brace and belt |
| 23:42.50 | Lopeppeppy | .... if you wear condoms with your pants on, I think some essential step was forgotten. |
| 23:43.15 | kd3 | or this: http://xkcd.com/463/ |
| 23:43.27 | alestane | kd3 beat me to it. |
| 23:43.27 | NightHawkTheSane | I think if you're worried about feeling your pants.. something has gone horribly wrong. |
| 23:44.21 | Cairenn | "belt & braces" is a very old expression - someone wearing both a belt and wearing braces (suspenders) to keep their pants up - double protection |
| 23:44.26 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: better safe than sorry |
| 23:45.33 | Dashkal | I love that XKCD |
| 23:46.04 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, I don't object to those who wish to wear two condoms... or to keep their pants on so they aren't using them. :) |
| 23:46.36 | Kirov | two condoms = increase potential for breakage |
| 23:47.39 | Lopeppeppy | I know, Kirov. Friction is not your friend. |
| 23:49.17 | kd3 | anyone know the virtualstore location for addons off the top of their head? |
| 23:54.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Keias (n=Dave@c-69-245-192-208.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 23:56.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@203-206-178-228.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:56.58 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_082508_164143.jpg |
