| 00:02.52 | foxlit | What, you guys don't interpret HTML in your head? |
| 00:02.55 | Anaral | I really wish the blizz lua had more comments explaining stuff. |
| 00:04.33 | Kaso|iPod | not really noscript, but isn't there so |
| 00:05.06 | Kaso|iPod | some flash based exploits for all platforms arm? |
| 00:05.14 | Kaso|iPod | atm |
| 00:07.57 | foxlit | Hm |
| 00:08.24 | foxlit | Perhaps sharing a single header handler for all pie buttons wasn't a good idea... limits local storage somewhat :( |
| 00:16.31 | Bait_ | I know this might sound noobish, but how do i make a function that returns more than one value? Like GetRaidRosterInfo does for example, do i have to return a table? |
| 00:17.53 | Gnarfoz | ~pil |
| 00:17.53 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 00:18.08 | Gnarfoz | http://www.lua.org/pil/5.1.html |
| 00:18.13 | Bait_ | Thanks :D |
| 00:18.16 | Gnarfoz | "return a, b, c" |
| 00:24.49 | Bait_ | Thanks a bunch <3 |
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| 00:31.17 | Ycarene | Is discord unitframes still around? |
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| 00:38.49 | Gnarfoz | !c eu Aegwynn Van |
| 00:38.57 | Gnarfoz | err wrong network |
| 00:40.03 | Gnarfoz | how'd you prevent an addon from being "blocked" if how it happens is "right-clicking a unitframe and selecting "set focus""? |
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| 00:42.41 | Ycarene | Anyone know if DUF is still around? |
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| 00:43.22 | Jumpee | anybody noticed that UnitDebuff now returns expiration time instead of timeLeft in wow beta? It's affecting ControlFreak for one thing. |
| 00:43.34 | Iriel | yes, it's been announced for a while |
| 00:44.02 | Jumpee | jeez, where was it announced? I missed it. On the beta ui forum? |
| 00:44.21 | Iriel | it's in the 3.0 changes thread on the main UI forum |
| 00:44.43 | Jumpee | ahhh, what a shame it changed |
| 00:46.28 | Gnarfoz | uhm just calc time left, then? |
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| 00:48.38 | Jumpee | is expiration time in seconds since login? |
| 00:49.56 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 00:50.04 | Gnarfoz | why would it be |
| 00:50.14 | Gnarfoz | that's "time you had a buff" not "time left until it expires" |
| 00:50.35 | Jumpee | when I run a script is shows something like a 5 digit number |
| 00:51.01 | Gnarfoz | what script?> |
| 00:51.15 | Jumpee | it says expiration time which I assume is the time it will expire |
| 00:51.22 | Jumpee | hold on |
| 00:51.42 | Gnarfoz | same format as GetTime() I suppose |
| 00:51.57 | Gnarfoz | which is "time since your computer started" (i.e. 'ticks') |
| 00:53.00 | Aznamir | Jumpee: timeLeft = timeExpire - GetTime() |
| 00:53.23 | Aznamir | timeExpire returned by UnitBuff/Debuff |
| 00:53.30 | Gnarfoz | yeah. |
| 00:53.38 | Gnarfoz | like I said =) |
| 00:53.51 | Jumpee | but isn't GetTime in hours, mins, secs and I have to convert to it to seconds? |
| 00:54.25 | Aznamir | GetTime - The current system uptime in seconds. |
| 00:54.34 | Gnarfoz | +millisecond precision |
| 00:54.42 | Gnarfoz | Jumpee: that's os.time() |
| 00:55.07 | Gnarfoz | or rather, time() in wow. and that returns seconds since epoch |
| 00:55.39 | Jumpee | ok, so expire minus time() |
| 00:56.22 | Gnarfoz | no? Aznamir already posted what to use :p |
| 00:56.43 | Jumpee | ok |
| 00:57.01 | Gnarfoz | GetTime() is in the appropriate format ;) |
| 00:58.45 | Jumpee | pk, thanks for the help |
| 00:58.50 | Jumpee | er, ok |
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| 01:15.22 | Gnarfoz | regarding my earlier question, the actual error is: http://ace.pastey.net/94542 |
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| 01:16.43 | Tem | LF1M Healer for the nexus |
| 01:16.45 | freelancer | hello guyz does the wow server allows the cosmos :p |
| 01:17.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm? |
| 01:17.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Is Cosmos allowed? Is that the question? |
| 01:17.29 | freelancer | ya dude |
| 01:17.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 01:17.54 | freelancer | i think most of TPP not allowed |
| 01:18.00 | ScytheBlade1 | TPP? |
| 01:18.08 | freelancer | 3th part programm |
| 01:18.22 | freelancer | like a addons |
| 01:18.33 | Tem | fan |
| 01:18.34 | Tem | tastic |
| 01:18.55 | Tem | No, addons are illegal, you should uninstall them all. |
| 01:20.25 | Gnarfoz | whatever "TPP" is, 3rd party programs are not "addons" in that sense. |
| 01:21.27 | Gnarfoz | oh Shadowed. I hope you didn't act on my suggestion regarding SBB earlier. I just disabled BugSack's suppressing of "ADDON_BLOCKED" events and it gave me this: http://ace.pastey.net/94543 |
| 01:21.43 | Gnarfoz | why did they protect CancelUnitAura? :( |
| 01:21.50 | Gnarfoz | errm buff |
| 01:22.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Argubably because it should have been protected a long time ago |
| 01:22.39 | Shadowed | Yea |
| 01:22.45 | Shadowed | It's probably to stop powershifting |
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| 01:22.57 | Gnarfoz | ?! |
| 01:23.06 | Dashkal | erm? I can macro a powershift |
| 01:23.11 | Dashkal | no /script |
| 01:23.14 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: and addons are supposed to be able to cancel buffs how? |
| 01:23.25 | Jumpee | ok, subtracting GetTime() works. ControlFreak now works in beta |
| 01:23.30 | Shadowed | You could macro powershifting by canceling the buff at certain energies |
| 01:23.31 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I don't see what this "powershifting" is supposed to be more than what macros can do |
| 01:23.44 | Shadowed | You can make a smart powershifting macro |
| 01:23.45 | Shadowed | check EJ |
| 01:23.55 | Shadowed | You make it cancel cat if you're at a low energy and spam it or something |
| 01:24.01 | Gnarfoz | I don't follow. :( |
| 01:24.09 | Dashkal | ahh, I see where you're going |
| 01:24.11 | Jumpee | Iriel, are you planning to upgrade RedRange for the beta? |
| 01:24.17 | Dashkal | stupid waste of time with a 1s cooldown, though |
| 01:24.19 | Shadowed | Check EJ |
| 01:24.22 | Gnarfoz | anyway, so this means buff addons are fucked? :X |
| 01:24.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: through the secure stuff? |
| 01:24.44 | Dashkal | But this is an issue given "hostile" buffs. Misdirection, hysteria, etc |
| 01:24.58 | Gnarfoz | uhm so you mean "make all buff buttons a secure frame, each"? |
| 01:25.15 | Gnarfoz | isn't that kind of... well, much? (also, does that even work in combat?) |
| 01:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering how popular buff/debuff bar addons are |
| 01:25.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me it'll be possible one way or another |
| 01:26.05 | Gnarfoz | probably :X |
| 01:26.18 | Gnarfoz | so I guess I should avoid mount quests now |
| 01:26.42 | Gnarfoz | can't cancel the mount because neither bt4 nor dominos support vehicles fully right now and I can't cancel the buff. lol |
| 01:26.47 | Dashkal | mount quests usually give you an alternate class bar with a dismiss button |
| 01:26.55 | freelancer | guys what kinda class is good for a farming :p |
| 01:27.07 | Gnarfoz | there's at least one that doesn't, from the comments to Dominos on WoWi :D |
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| 01:27.24 | Gnarfoz | freelancer: none excels as much as the new hero class "AH mule" |
| 01:27.27 | Dashkal | use the real blizzard buff bar then :p |
| 01:27.47 | Gnarfoz | it's not a bar. and it's horrible, non-movable and limited to 8 buffs per row for some stupid reason |
| 01:28.08 | Gnarfoz | and yes, I already have macros to reposition it through Visor if I have to go back to it :X |
| 01:28.16 | Dashkal | :p |
| 01:28.22 | Gnarfoz | it creates its buttons on the fly, too, so no pre-positioning :X |
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| 01:40.54 | Shirik | ~seen Tuller |
| 01:40.56 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 9h 48m 34s ago, saying: 'guess I should make a second DK :P'. |
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| 01:53.31 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* boobies no not a game make. |
| 01:53.38 | Thunder_Child | s/no/do/ |
| 01:55.51 | Gnarfoz | AoC? |
| 01:56.11 | Thunder_Child | more along the lines of a general game comment |
| 01:56.42 | Kandok1 | Boobies doth sell a game thou |
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| 02:00.09 | Tem | Duman, either I just locked up or I'm getting booted |
| 02:00.11 | Duman | nope |
| 02:00.12 | Duman | server died |
| 02:00.13 | Tem | ah, booted |
| 02:00.15 | Duman | completely down |
| 02:00.18 | Aznamir | Gah |
| 02:00.18 | Duman | "offline" |
| 02:00.25 | Tem | ouch |
| 02:00.34 | Tem | server offline probably won't preserve our group |
| 02:00.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: to hell with you, boobies are a GREAT game |
| 02:00.47 | Aznamir | it is back |
| 02:00.50 | Duman | btw, I've only been there once... so I'm following your lead sort of ;-) |
| 02:00.51 | Duman | yea |
| 02:00.52 | Duman | h |
| 02:01.01 | Tem | Duman, I've only been there once as well |
| 02:01.06 | Duman | oh haha |
| 02:01.08 | Tem | and it was like 2 months ago in alpha |
| 02:01.19 | Duman | hmm, loading |
| 02:01.19 | Aznamir | i've never been there, that's wht i'm noob |
| 02:01.23 | Duman | stuck at full bar |
| 02:01.30 | Tem | I wouldn't worry about it, though. We outgear the crap out of the place |
| 02:01.35 | erikd | are you guys still looking for a healer? |
| 02:01.38 | Tem | also, frost is aparently rediculously OP |
| 02:01.50 | NightHawkTheSane | frost is SO op. |
| 02:01.51 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i'm not saying they are not, i am simply saying they dont 'make' a game |
| 02:01.56 | Tem | I'm pushing 1300 dps in GREENS at level 70 |
| 02:01.59 | Tem | that's OP |
| 02:02.11 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, what makes me sad |
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| 02:02.17 | NightHawkTheSane | is that i've more or less stopped using oblit as frost |
| 02:02.24 | Tem | heh |
| 02:02.28 | Tem | HB > oblit |
| 02:02.33 | NightHawkTheSane | howling blast & frost strike do so much more damage |
| 02:02.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i only bother blood striking when everything else is cooling, even |
| 02:03.34 | NightHawkTheSane | but it totally makes those points in annihilation pointless |
| 02:03.37 | Tem | erikd, maybe |
| 02:03.38 | Thunder_Child | wow...homestar runner came out with a game |
| 02:03.45 | Tem | the server death killed our group |
| 02:03.55 | Tem | so if our healer doesn't come back, we'll be looking for one :) |
| 02:03.57 | erikd | i can't even see my character list atm |
| 02:04.29 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: the inability to cancel buffs aside: I just noticed SBB doesn't show buff length anymore oO :D was the change to expiryTime in this build? |
| 02:04.43 | Shadowed | hrm what do you mean? |
| 02:04.49 | Shadowed | Sorry was busy leading a sunwell pug |
| 02:05.15 | Gnarfoz | sunwell pug oO |
| 02:05.22 | Shadowed | yea |
| 02:05.24 | Shadowed | for trash to kalec |
| 02:05.37 | Gnarfoz | the UnitAura/Buff/Debuff functions return expiryTime now instead of timeLeft |
| 02:05.46 | Shadowed | hrm? |
| 02:05.46 | Shadowed | second |
| 02:05.48 | Gnarfoz | I'm just not sure on when "now" was |
| 02:06.12 | Shadowed | OH |
| 02:06.12 | Shadowed | name, rank, texture, count, debuffType, duration, expiryTime, untilCanceled = UnitBuff("unit", [index] or ["name", "rank"][, "filter"]); |
| 02:06.18 | Shadowed | expiryTime must be actual time |
| 02:06.19 | Shadowed | not seconds |
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| 02:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I wanted to poke around too :( |
| 02:08.24 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: it's in the same format as GetTime() is (seconds uptime since computer start, + milliseconds as decimals) |
| 02:09.21 | ScytheBlade1 | yey it's back |
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| 02:09.59 | Duman | hmm |
| 02:10.03 | Aznamir | am i lagging again? |
| 02:10.06 | Duman | zone is not loading |
| 02:10.07 | Gnarfoz | this thread is funny: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023732068&sid=1 |
| 02:10.09 | Duman | sigh |
| 02:10.18 | erikd | i can't even log in |
| 02:10.20 | Duman | tem: are you lagged loading? |
| 02:10.24 | Duman | oh shit |
| 02:10.26 | Duman | server exploded again |
| 02:10.43 | Duman | Char list not coming up |
| 02:10.55 | Duman | this may be a lost cause |
| 02:10.55 | Tem | I'm getting in |
| 02:11.01 | Tem | er |
| 02:11.03 | Tem | no I'm now |
| 02:11.05 | Duman | lol |
| 02:11.06 | Tem | not |
| 02:11.12 | Tem | HOLY BALLS |
| 02:11.17 | Duman | oh wow |
| 02:11.20 | Tem | "A Character with that name already exists" |
| 02:11.22 | Duman | "A character with that name" |
| 02:11.25 | Duman | haven't seen that ina while |
| 02:11.27 | Tem | I haven't seen that error in like 3 years |
| 02:11.28 | erikd | gnarfoz: i'd commend him for making an effort |
| 02:11.54 | Gnarfoz | erikd: I can't even answer his question, since blizz thinks it's a good idea to separate forums according to regions ;) |
| 02:12.02 | Duman | minor rollback |
| 02:12.10 | Duman | I was back outside, at the top of the ramp |
| 02:20.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Is the TokenUI working for anyone? |
| 02:20.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I've read posts where some people say it is.. |
| 02:22.24 | Shadowed | Iriel: Are we supposed to do anything about cancelling buffs being protected? Or are we kind of screwed if we do custom buff mods |
| 02:22.34 | Shadowed | (Or do you even know!) |
| 02:22.48 | Drundia | i saw it in secure action button template i think |
| 02:22.52 | Iriel | request it as a SAB function i guess |
| 02:22.59 | Iriel | if its not already there |
| 02:23.33 | Drundia | it is already there |
| 02:23.50 | Drundia | unlicke picking up actions..... (.....) |
| 02:24.20 | Iriel | we added drag/drop to the secure headers |
| 02:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | yay! |
| 02:27.09 | Shadowed | Drundia: It is? Whats it as |
| 02:27.17 | Shadowed | err wait |
| 02:27.23 | Shadowed | How are you supposed to do buffs with a secure action button template? |
| 02:27.25 | Drundia | line 304 |
| 02:27.30 | Shadowed | Isn't that impossible? |
| 02:27.38 | Drundia | elseif ( type == "cancelaura" ) then... |
| 02:27.55 | Amarande | and why is cancelling buffs being added to the protected list? |
| 02:28.02 | Drundia | offering cancelling by index or by name and rank |
| 02:28.09 | Amarande | were things like EBB considered cheating, they want us to be able to click on little square icons? |
| 02:28.11 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: I guess so you can't do it programmatically anymore? :> |
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| 02:28.31 | kd3 | the hell? buff canceling is protected? |
| 02:28.49 | Amarande | or is this part of the "bubble is no longer a tank emergency button" philosophy coming in? |
| 02:28.50 | Gnarfoz | like SalvationKiller (et al, there's like 5 million addons that removed BoS), but I don't see how that's bad :( |
| 02:29.01 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: it still is |
| 02:29.18 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: 15% damage debuff for 3 minutes afterwards? |
| 02:29.24 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: ?! what |
| 02:29.32 | Amarande | useless for tanks, your TPS plummets by 15% since all pally threat is based on damage in some way or other |
| 02:29.33 | Gnarfoz | I'm 75 and I've not seen such a thing |
| 02:29.45 | Amarande | that's what I heard, forbearance lasts 3 minutes now and reduces damage dealt by 15% |
| 02:29.53 | Gnarfoz | it lasts 3 minutes alright. |
| 02:30.13 | Amarande | the first part I'm not worried about |
| 02:30.21 | Amarande | especially given that most of the time I five-man, so there's only one pally |
| 02:30.27 | Amarande | and anything that causes forbearance is on a five minute cooldown anyway |
| 02:30.32 | Gnarfoz | I'll check the latter part. |
| 02:30.52 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, I gotta update ag_uf again. |
| 02:30.54 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 02:31.06 | ScytheBlade1 | @whomever was in beta: exactly, hence my guild note |
| 02:31.09 | NightHawkTheSane | aughhdslfkj |
| 02:31.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ws in the middle of that quest in BT where saurfang kicks ass. |
| 02:31.45 | Dashkal | northrend/northrend why do you hate me so? |
| 02:31.59 | Drundia | you still can almost programmatically do it out of combat.... though it would involve visiting one stinky place.... |
| 02:32.22 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 02:32.23 | Amarande | so, more importantly, is this going to make things like EBB a thing of the past? |
| 02:32.26 | Amarande | or just more complex addons? |
| 02:32.26 | Gnarfoz | who cares about "almost" |
| 02:32.29 | Gnarfoz | or "out of combat" |
| 02:32.36 | Drundia | true |
| 02:32.36 | Amarande | I need my EBB |
| 02:32.42 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I said two lines in trade (100% unrelated) and people started asking me *in trade* |
| 02:32.49 | kd3 | lmao |
| 02:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.12 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: doesn't add -15% dmg. |
| 02:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | *click* not a mage *click* not a mage *click* not a mage *click* MAGE AH-HA |
| 02:33.31 | Drundia | it would actually be cool if they actually kept all that stuff unprotected out of combat, just requiring hardware events. |
| 02:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ALL YOUR WHISPERS ARE BELONG TO ME |
| 02:33.51 | ScytheBlade1 | World server looks to be back up, btw |
| 02:33.52 | Gnarfoz | Drundia: no it wouldn't. it would just make lazy authors go "well duh, don't use this in combat" |
| 02:33.59 | ScytheBlade1 | At least I have zone music now |
| 02:34.01 | Drundia | is your addon stealing people's whispers now? |
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| 02:34.22 | kd3 | the "guildie login bong" is going off, but that's all I notice atm |
| 02:34.22 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: EBB works, as does SBB, I think? :) you just can't cancel buffs right now with either |
| 02:34.34 | Drundia | Gnarfoz, maybe if it makes too many too smart decisions it shouldn't work in combat in the first place |
| 02:34.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm in game again |
| 02:34.46 | Gnarfoz | Drundia: what does? |
| 02:35.31 | ScytheBlade1 | And it goes poof |
| 02:35.35 | Drundia | it wouldn't be hardest thing to do to make all buttons you press also cancel salvation, just a bit of overhead... |
| 02:35.41 | kd3 | huh, half the guild went offline but I'm still sitting there |
| 02:36.10 | ScytheBlade1 | "A character with that name already exists" |
| 02:36.15 | Gnarfoz | Drundia: uhm there isn't BoS in WotLK anymore, anyhow. I just don't see why it needs to be protected. |
| 02:36.17 | kd3 | have human female vendors always said "Step on up!" |
| 02:36.19 | kd3 | ? |
| 02:36.29 | Gnarfoz | kd3: think so |
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| 02:37.10 | Drundia | right, no salvation, so be happy, you don't need salvation-removing addons any more :D |
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| 02:37.34 | Gnarfoz | Drundia: people don't read anymore, do they |
| 02:37.50 | Thunder_Child | IRC would be rather boring if people didnt read |
| 02:37.56 | Drundia | people never read |
| 02:38.09 | Gnarfoz | doesn't stop them from not doing it, like Drundia just did |
| 02:38.13 | Drundia | i don't see particular gain from it really |
| 02:38.37 | Gnarfoz | I only even mentioned SalvationKiller as an example of an addon that uses CancelPlayerBuff programmatically |
| 02:39.02 | kandoko | Anyone else having issues with there controls seeming reveresed/odd ? Might just be because I was in the steel gate plane on last DC |
| 02:39.23 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: when I need to cancel a buff, I normally do so through EBB |
| 02:39.34 | Amarande | I'd have to buy a larger monitor in order to have my buff icons on my unit frame be accessible enough |
| 02:39.41 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: your point being? |
| 02:39.46 | Gnarfoz | buff icons on unitframe? |
| 02:39.51 | Gnarfoz | they aren't on your unitframe by default. |
| 02:41.01 | Amarande | anyway, I don't see why blizz would want us not to be able to cancel buffs programmatically |
| 02:41.06 | Amarande | it was fine in BC |
| 02:41.19 | Amarande | or is WotLK including buffs that would be imba if we could switch them on and off so easily? |
| 02:41.38 | Drundia | easily only off |
| 02:41.56 | Amarande | yeah, are there wotlk buffs that would be imba if they could be easily removed like that? |
| 02:42.06 | Amarande | about the only reason I can think for them doing that would be that *something* would otherwise be imba |
| 02:45.10 | ScytheBlade1 | It's somewhat of a miracle that it wasn't protected when 2.0 hit. |
| 02:53.51 | Gnarfoz | the only other buff I can think of that is worth having removed by an addon is Nether Protection |
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| 02:57.15 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, whats the quickest way to pick a new location for wowi's downloader? |
| 02:57.45 | Shirik | open up config.wic inside the program's folder |
| 02:57.50 | Shirik | change the path you see there |
| 02:58.11 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks |
| 03:01.19 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, does the folder have to be called World of Warcraft? |
| 03:01.30 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 03:01.39 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure the only check made is that wow.exe exists there |
| 03:01.50 | Thunder_Child | oh..so it wont work for the beta then? |
| 03:01.57 | Shirik | oh, hm |
| 03:02.02 | Shirik | just make some random file named wow.exe there :D |
| 03:02.02 | Thunder_Child | well it is called wow.exe |
| 03:02.17 | Shirik | do me a favor |
| 03:02.18 | Thunder_Child | but it still wont pick up any other addons there |
| 03:02.22 | Shirik | If you can't get it to work there |
| 03:02.35 | Shirik | start it up in verbose mode, do you know how to do that? |
| 03:02.52 | Thunder_Child | not cinse the last time i did it |
| 03:02.55 | Thunder_Child | since* |
| 03:03.09 | Shirik | open up command prompt and change to the directory with the jar in it |
| 03:03.19 | Shirik | then do "java -jar wowiupdater.jar --verbose |
| 03:03.34 | Shirik | you should find a verbose.log file appear |
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| 03:03.41 | Shirik | It should say why it ignored the path |
| 03:03.52 | Shirik | I think |
| 03:03.57 | Shirik | I wrote this so long ago I don't remember :( |
| 03:04.10 | Shirik | I so need to get the new version out... |
| 03:04.28 | Thunder_Child | dont need the "java -jar" |
| 03:04.43 | Shirik | oh right, the new versions of Java register the .jar extension, forgot :) |
| 03:05.01 | Shirik | In the labs I teach, we don't have that luxury |
| 03:05.07 | Shirik | so we have to use java -jar manually |
| 03:05.26 | Shirik | not sure if that's IT's fault or just an old version of Java |
| 03:07.31 | Thunder_Child | ok, it mostly seems to work but under the regester addons section it keeps duplicating the list of addons...so now there are 5 names of each addon |
| 03:09.47 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:09.51 | Shirik | Yeah I've heard that reported before |
| 03:10.26 | Shirik | Unfortunately since the update manager is EOL, I'm not going to fix that bug |
| 03:10.36 | Shirik | it's cosmetic and I have no idea where to start |
| 03:12.27 | Thunder_Child | hmm..also i entered a new addon, it downloaded it then updated it |
| 03:14.21 | Thunder_Child | twice |
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| 03:28.59 | Amarande | Any word yet on even an estimate of release WOTLK? |
| 03:29.32 | NightHawkTheSane | 'WHen it's done' |
| 03:30.03 | Tekkub | they're gonna go the google route of perpetual beta this time, sorry |
| 03:30.34 | NightHawkTheSane | eventually, everyone willbe in beta, all on northrend, we'll havee 6 minutes of uptime. |
| 03:30.37 | NightHawkTheSane | per week |
| 03:31.02 | Tekkub | nah, just reandom restart averaging every 20 minutes |
| 03:36.28 | Lukian | Amarande, October -> December. |
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| 03:41.43 | Neuro_Medivh | Educated Guess: Nov 18th |
| 03:47.08 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:47.10 | Shirik | CEC_410_01DB MWF 09:15AM 10:15AM DB |
| 03:47.13 | Shirik | Do not want 9:15 class :( |
| 03:47.26 | NightHawkTheSane | better than 8 am |
| 03:49.13 | Neuro_Medivh | but not quite as good as noon |
| 03:50.02 | Neuro_Medivh | can anyone tell me if the Beta is still... tempermental? |
| 03:50.05 | Shirik | At least it's not my schedule on TTH |
| 03:50.13 | Shirik | This schedule is awesome: |
| 03:50.18 | NightHawkTheSane | define tempermental? |
| 03:50.33 | Shirik | CEC_470_01DB TTH 11:15AM 12:30PM DB |
| 03:50.34 | Shirik | CEC_420_01DB TTH 02:15PM 04:15PM DB |
| 03:50.40 | Shirik | CEC_411_01DB TH 05:15PM 08:15PM DB |
| 03:50.53 | Shirik | It's like "You can't go home, but you better find something to do while you stay here ..." |
| 03:50.55 | Neuro_Medivh | s/tempermental/temperamental |
| 03:50.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i've had days like your thurdsay |
| 03:51.26 | Neuro_Medivh | meaning, crashing every 2-20 minutes |
| 03:54.39 | erikd | ARGH |
| 03:54.45 | Dashkal | *sigh* |
| 03:54.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Neuro_Medivh: it just crashed |
| 03:54.59 | erikd | i come back after watching the olympics for an hour and 2 minutes after i log on it crashes =/ |
| 03:55.23 | erikd | gives me time to install vs 2008 then :) |
| 03:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure I DC'd right next to an 80 elite |
| 03:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | With 55k+ HP |
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| 03:57.52 | Lunessa | So - Northrend she go boom. |
| 04:00.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I was just about to complete a quest too :( |
| 04:00.51 | Shirik | that's why it went down |
| 04:01.02 | Shirik | it was all like "fail gnome coming, must... deny.... reward..." |
| 04:01.05 | Seerah | I was just about to test a code change... |
| 04:01.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i just respecced.. |
| 04:01.08 | Seerah | oh! all better! |
| 04:01.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i hav... 0 talent poitns.. |
| 04:01.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I DC'd right next to an elite, I'm pretty sure |
| 04:01.33 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 04:01.34 | Shirik | even better |
| 04:01.38 | Shirik | anyway, night! |
| 04:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: fail gnome is likely about to log in to epic fail |
| 04:01.42 | NightHawkTheSane | im actually still in game, but everything is basically stuck |
| 04:01.42 | Amarande | Shirik: no, that's goblin coding that fails every now and then |
| 04:02.25 | Shirik|zZz | !g 5280 |
| 04:02.26 | batbot | Shirik|zZz: 5280.com | Denver's Magazine 15 Years Strong <http://www.5280.com/> |
| 04:02.31 | Shirik|zZz | wtf? |
| 04:02.34 | Shirik|zZz | oh well |
| 04:02.49 | Shirik|zZz | night |
| 04:03.30 | |Jelly| | Night Shirik! |
| 04:04.00 | Lunessa | I'm probably going to give up for the night. I've been up since 5:30am local, and not a massive thunderstorm is rolling in. |
| 04:04.30 | Tekkub | Shirik|zZz, 5280 == 1 mile == "The Mile Hi City" |
| 04:04.54 | Tem | Lunessa, giving up? :( |
| 04:04.56 | NightHawkTheSane | "high"? :P |
| 04:05.07 | Tekkub | nope, Hi |
| 04:05.12 | Lunessa | I can't seem to stay logged in for long. |
| 04:05.23 | Lunessa | And I r teh sleepies |
| 04:05.23 | Tem | no worries |
| 04:05.43 | Lunessa | I'll be on a lot tomorrow. |
| 04:05.59 | Lunessa | Unless I find the brain-functions to work on the site. |
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| 04:07.18 | lonk | msg nickserv |
| 04:07.21 | lonk | doh |
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| 04:08.04 | NightHawkTheSane | lonk: at least it wasn't the id command |
| 04:08.15 | Shirik | Is it bad when you have so much to commit to your SVN server that you don't even remember what you changed? :/ |
| 04:08.29 | lonk | heh - alway ssplit it to avoid that particular faux pax |
| 04:08.30 | Cairenn | Shirik: lol |
| 04:08.36 | Tekkub | Shirik, very |
| 04:08.39 | Lunessa | Shirik Yes... cause you didn't make notes. :P |
| 04:08.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: .. actually, yes, that is entirely non-ironically bad. |
| 04:08.47 | NightHawkTheSane | you're not committing enough, then :p |
| 04:08.58 | Lunessa | Sup Syzgyn ? |
| 04:08.59 | Shirik | planes do that :( |
| 04:09.13 | Tekkub | Shirik, git works on planes |
| 04:09.16 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 04:09.28 | Shirik | "git" and "works" should never be within 5 lines of each other |
| 04:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 04:09.38 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 04:09.46 | Tekkub | and yet you just did it too |
| 04:10.00 | Syzgyn | I like how that's its own command |
| 04:10.16 | Shirik | what can I say |
| 04:10.20 | Shirik | I'm so popular they made one just for me |
| 04:10.29 | NightHawkTheSane | or you just fail so often :p |
| 04:10.40 | Shirik | apparently, actually, I only modified 3 files |
| 04:10.42 | Shirik | so that's good |
| 04:10.47 | Shirik | I just don't remember what it was :P |
| 04:10.57 | NightHawkTheSane | svn diff? |
| 04:11.06 | Tekkub | dude, use a diff viewer before you commit |
| 04:11.26 | Tekkub | good habit to be in anyway, Always review what you're about to push out |
| 04:11.41 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i usually do that just because i have a bad memory >.> |
| 04:13.56 | Shirik | Tekkub: I do :) |
| 04:14.01 | Shirik | How do you think I found this out |
| 04:14.06 | Shirik | tsvn handles this for you |
| 04:14.24 | Shirik | Still I wish I at least had some general idea of what I was looking at in the diff file before I opened it |
| 04:14.37 | Tekkub | "I just don't remember what it was" you'd know what it was if you were looking at the diff! YOU LIE! |
| 04:14.58 | Shirik | er |
| 04:15.04 | Shirik | That's because tsvn first shows you the list of files |
| 04:15.10 | Shirik | then you double click on them to open the diff |
| 04:15.12 | Tekkub | LIES! |
| 04:15.13 | lonk | should be obvious from the comments :p |
| 04:15.14 | Shirik | :P |
| 04:15.42 | Tekkub | Hickory smoked is so crazy WHAT WRONG WITH YOU?!?! |
| 04:15.51 | Shirik | ... huh? |
| 04:16.01 | Lunessa | ... mmmm... hickory smoke. |
| 04:16.13 | Tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO0kRE5OTZI |
| 04:16.15 | Lunessa | OK, I'm getting loopy. Off to bed. Night all. |
| 04:16.21 | Cairenn | night Lunessa |
| 04:16.44 | Shirik | 7 minutes long |
| 04:16.46 | Shirik | is it worth it? |
| 04:17.03 | Shirik | OH |
| 04:17.06 | Shirik | I've seen this before |
| 04:17.16 | Shirik | this is awesome :D |
| 04:18.05 | Tekkub | is it worth it? |
| 04:18.14 | Tekkub | are HOT DICKINGS worth it? |
| 04:21.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
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| 04:22.39 | Tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-H1JTWXhKU |
| 04:22.45 | Keias | Tekkub is a REAL DOCTOR |
| 04:22.47 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 04:22.48 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 04:27.46 | Tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94m_P4-0wXw ^^ |
| 04:27.50 | Mike-N-Go | Tekkub, I am in the beta and running your TourGuide Recorder. I saw one can make comments when using. What kinds of things would you care for us to comment about? |
| 04:29.03 | Tekkub | just things that you think need noted |
| 04:29.47 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:29.53 | Shirik | since when is bleach on adult swim |
| 04:30.03 | NightHawkTheSane | for a while now i think? |
| 04:30.06 | Shirik | sigh |
| 04:30.14 | Shirik | what am I going to watch at this time of night now :/ |
| 04:30.23 | Tekkub | for like a good year at least |
| 04:30.41 | Shirik | really? |
| 04:30.47 | Shirik | why have I never noticed it before |
| 04:30.47 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 04:31.58 | Keias | Goldeneye is on AMC if you have that |
| 04:32.02 | Keias | or was at least |
| 04:32.03 | Tekkub | because the dubbing is just /wrists? |
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| 04:32.29 | Shirik | So this has bothered me for a while |
| 04:33.05 | Shirik | a lot of shows do this paradoxical ... cliche almost, where someone goes back in time and then risks changing the past resulting in them disappearing because they no longer exist |
| 04:33.16 | Duman | Am I a nerd? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9233133578&sid=2000 |
| 04:33.17 | Duman | ;) |
| 04:33.26 | Shirik | Should that happen, then that means he never actually changed the past because he didn't exist in the future therefore couldn't have returned to the past to change it |
| 04:33.30 | Shirik | so what happens? |
| 04:34.55 | Shirik | Well, Duman, neither of those are airport codes, which is the only common use of morse code I'm familiar with in today's world |
| 04:35.02 | Shirik | so... unfortunately I don't have a suggestion for you |
| 04:36.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: its the basic paradox of any kind of time travel, there's lots of answers to it, but most shows aren't consistent for the sake of drama. |
| 04:36.35 | Shirik | star trek tried to explain it once by stating that the timeline gets split into two |
| 04:36.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ultimately you have to suspend your disbelief |
| 04:36.56 | NightHawkTheSane | thats the common out, multiple/infinite realities |
| 04:37.17 | NightHawkTheSane | which actually works if you do it properly, most shows don't however |
| 04:38.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, thats only one theory |
| 04:38.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, did my email make it to you? |
| 04:38.36 | Shirik | I assumed as such |
| 04:38.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, under that theory, if you go back in time you're just "shifting" to a different reality, and doing something to result in your death before you went back won't actually cause you to disappear, because its not actually the you from that reality.. |
| 04:38.46 | Shirik | mm which one did you send it to? |
| 04:38.53 | Thunder_Child | skullshot |
| 04:39.23 | Shirik | doesn't look like it |
| 04:39.57 | Thunder_Child | mine shows sent with no kill report |
| 04:40.12 | Shirik | tg.skullshot@gmail? |
| 04:40.19 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 04:40.25 | Thunder_Child | guardian |
| 04:40.28 | Shirik | ohh |
| 04:40.29 | Shirik | wow |
| 04:40.31 | Shirik | that's oold |
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| 04:40.36 | Shirik | I don't even think I can log in there anymore |
| 04:40.37 | Thunder_Child | thats what you had on the wowi program |
| 04:40.42 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:40.43 | Thunder_Child | have* |
| 04:40.46 | Shirik | damn that program's old |
| 04:41.04 | Shirik | yeah I don't remember how to log in there |
| 04:41.05 | Shirik | so.... |
| 04:41.06 | Shirik | sorry |
| 04:41.12 | Shirik | use Matthew.Delbuono@erau.edu |
| 04:41.13 | Thunder_Child | ok, which one do you want ti to then |
| 04:41.44 | Thunder_Child | ok, done |
| 04:42.40 | Shirik | A:? |
| 04:42.41 | Shirik | So is A:\Games\Wrath of the Lich King Beta\Interface\Addons correct? |
| 04:42.42 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 04:42.56 | Tekkub | A:? |
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| 04:43.05 | Tekkub | how the hell did you manage that? |
| 04:43.18 | Thunder_Child | windows doesnt care what i name my HD's |
| 04:43.23 | Thunder_Child | i use a and b |
| 04:43.33 | Shirik | Yeah you can do it Tekkub |
| 04:43.38 | Shirik | it just requires going out there and doing it |
| 04:43.42 | Shirik | Windows won't do it by itself |
| 04:43.51 | Tekkub | you obviously didn't grow up with HDD-less computers (and I ain't talking "dumb terminals" here |
| 04:44.02 | Shirik | oh hey I did! |
| 04:44.05 | Shirik | We had them in my school |
| 04:44.09 | Shirik | those old Apple IIe |
| 04:44.14 | Shirik | I played number crunchers |
| 04:44.21 | Shirik | er, number munchers |
| 04:44.22 | Shirik | that's it |
| 04:44.33 | NightHawkTheSane | number munchers rocked |
| 04:44.50 | NightHawkTheSane | but, i mean, who uses floppy drives anymore, what's wrong with A:? |
| 04:44.59 | Shirik | I use floppy drives :( |
| 04:45.07 | Shirik | I need it to install windows |
| 04:45.18 | Tekkub | peopel still use floppies? |
| 04:45.21 | Tekkub | WTF |
| 04:45.32 | Tekkub | I don't even user CDR/DVDRs anymore |
| 04:45.33 | NightHawkTheSane | none of my computers have drives for them... |
| 04:45.38 | Shirik | wtf Tekkub >< |
| 04:45.51 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, aside from legacy CDs that i have, i dont use those either |
| 04:45.54 | Shirik | Yes I still do to install my RAID drivers |
| 04:46.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i havn't burned a dvd in.. months |
| 04:46.04 | Tekkub | fail |
| 04:46.13 | Shirik | anyway, Thunder_Child.. um |
| 04:46.30 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, there wasnt any isue, i was just sending it |
| 04:46.36 | Shirik | oh ok |
| 04:46.36 | Thunder_Child | mor or less to confuse you |
| 04:46.42 | Thunder_Child | more* |
| 04:46.46 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm, wonder why freenode is port spamming my domain |
| 04:46.50 | Shirik | I was looking through it, and I mean it did have some bugs, etc. |
| 04:46.53 | Shirik | but I know about htem |
| 04:46.59 | Shirik | Garoun|Loupana: Proxy detection |
| 04:47.09 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, though i would like to know why it downloads an addon then updates it |
| 04:47.24 | Shirik | it's not supposed to :) |
| 04:47.41 | Garoun|Loupana | gotcha shirik |
| 04:47.46 | Shirik | Garoun|Loupana: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#proxies |
| 04:48.41 | Garoun|Loupana | thanks |
| 04:48.55 | Garoun|Loupana | Based on my log that woudl explain some of my weird spikes on occasion :) |
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| 04:50.11 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Like I said, there's numerous problems, and that's why it's being rewritten |
| 04:50.45 | Garoun|Loupana | now if only my ps3 would stop being a nuisance ;) and accept the ubuntu distro I've been trying to get installed |
| 04:50.55 | Shirik | There was one exception that occurred, but that's actually a bug in the Java libraries which I detect and suppress |
| 04:51.01 | Shirik | I've known about that one for like a year |
| 04:51.17 | Thunder_Child | write faster damn you |
| 04:52.12 | ScytheBlade1 | haha @ one of zoot's quest complete lines |
| 04:52.16 | Tekkub | Mike-N-Go, example of a note I just did... "That might be hard to do solo, focus on the named then run away" |
| 04:52.23 | ScytheBlade1 | "It'll be wonderful to have a pet whose joinds won't require oiling!" |
| 04:52.37 | Tekkub | noted right after I completed the objective |
| 04:55.44 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh, tekk, I'm running BT a second time with the written up guide... but the crashes make it so hard |
| 04:56.17 | Mike-N-Go | Tekkub: Ahh, just notes about a quest, I see. |
| 04:56.42 | Tekkub | stuff the basic accept/complete/turnin tracker won't know |
| 04:57.00 | Neuro_Medivh | what's the note command? |
| 04:57.01 | Tekkub | "This guy's drop can be looted by anyone, you don't have to group up" |
| 04:57.07 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.11 | Neuro_Medivh | gotcha |
| 04:57.17 | Tekkub | it'll save zone/sub/coords with it |
| 04:58.21 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, Tek, if you want/need help testing any guides, lemme know.. I've gotten pretty proficient at zone guides by now |
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| 04:58.54 | Tekkub | there's a branch, feel free to make a fork on github |
| 04:59.21 | Tekkub | I'm editing my second batch of ally Borean now :) |
| 05:00.35 | Neuro_Medivh | how are you running it? I found that Farshire->Ripstrand->DEHTA->Beryl->AmberLedge->Colderra->Fizzcrank is the best progression so far... |
| 05:00.56 | Neuro_Medivh | but I'm torn on how to do Fizzcrank |
| 05:01.06 | Tekkub | I just finished Beryl |
| 05:01.12 | Neuro_Medivh | ah |
| 05:01.14 | Tekkub | but yea that's the general order so far |
| 05:01.26 | Tekkub | mix the last of DEHTA and Beryl |
| 05:01.44 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm pushing HARD for them to change that stupid elephant calf quest |
| 05:01.50 | Tekkub | last thing we did was the mammoth mounts, then hit the inn at the airstrip |
| 05:03.41 | Tekkub | why? worked fine for me |
| 05:04.02 | Neuro_Medivh | which server are you on? Took me 25 minutes to find 8 traps |
| 05:04.30 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a number of quests like that that could probably use tweaking |
| 05:04.31 | Tekkub | didn't take me very long... and I'm on the PvE |
| 05:05.00 | Neuro_Medivh | this afternoon I redid it, and there were 10-15 others doing it at the same time. It does not scale well at all |
| 05:05.38 | Tekkub | ah, maybe the server isn't treating them like mob spawns and instapopping them to keep a minimum number |
| 05:05.49 | Neuro_Medivh | thematically, it should be 1 elephant rescued, then you escort that elephant up north. |
| 05:05.53 | Tekkub | or maybe the min needs upped since they're kinda spread out |
| 05:06.00 | Neuro_Medivh | it's not doing that with the ripstrand mobs either |
| 05:06.44 | Neuro_Medivh | some mobs just aren't respawning worth a damn, especially on the areas where horde and ally both quest |
| 05:07.18 | Neuro_Medivh | (and yes, I'm giving feedback via the UI) |
| 05:07.27 | Neuro_Medivh | just venting a bit is all =) |
| 05:13.53 | Tekkub | ah yea looks like I should have done the clam stuff, didn't realize it sent me down there |
| 05:14.02 | Tekkub | I thought that was a fedex to a new area |
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| 05:24.06 | Neuro_Medivh | nah, it's like 3 mobs.. one of them sends you right to where the wine bottle is for In Wine, Truth, so I moved the C and T for that quest to after I did that part |
| 05:24.15 | Amarande | so, are Northrend flying mounts just a "you ding 77, you can use em again" deal, or do you have to do something special or pay for 375 Riding to use them there? |
| 05:24.25 | Neuro_Medivh | you have to complete a quest |
| 05:24.38 | Neuro_Medivh | that gives you the ability "Cold-Weather Flying" |
| 05:24.51 | Amarande | and lemme guess, it's "theoretically" 77, but it's really a [80] quest that requires 77 and is orange then? |
| 05:24.59 | Neuro_Medivh | no, it's a 77 quest |
| 05:25.09 | Neuro_Medivh | from what I read, it's not that difficult |
| 05:25.11 | Amarande | ah, good :) |
| 05:25.17 | Amarande | better than how everyone says "go to outland at 58" |
| 05:25.22 | Amarande | where in reality, it's designed for 60's |
| 05:25.35 | Neuro_Medivh | now, though, outland at 58 is totally feasible |
| 05:25.50 | Neuro_Medivh | the sped-up xp gain is just silly |
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| 05:26.22 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, outland at 58 was always feasible |
| 05:26.29 | Amarande | I'm more thinking of how rough Hellfire normally is at 58 |
| 05:26.39 | Amarande | hell, it's rough at 62, especially places like Zeth'Gor |
| 05:26.40 | Neuro_Medivh | Not for me... I always ran out of quests if I went to Outland at 58 |
| 05:26.47 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh, not if you're a DK |
| 05:27.07 | Neuro_Medivh | Blood DK at 58 was able to rip Outlands apart |
| 05:27.17 | Neuro_Medivh | granted, this was prior to Bloodworms nerf |
| 05:27.23 | NightHawkTheSane | I went to outlands at 58 on my pally.. i hit 70 with all of BEM, SMV, and Netherstorm quests left >.> |
| 05:27.37 | Tekkub | well there's also less exp needed now |
| 05:27.53 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, but you musta grinded a lot, Nighthawk |
| 05:27.57 | NightHawkTheSane | nope |
| 05:28.10 | Tekkub | and I went to Outland at 59.75 on my pally and I'm 65 in Nagrand now :P |
| 05:28.15 | NightHawkTheSane | didn't grind at all, just quested normally, instanced a bit.. |
| 05:28.21 | Tekkub | no instances, always level with a partner |
| 05:28.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, on my pally i did 30-70 entirely with a friend |
| 05:28.51 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh, I went to outlands right at 58 on my DK, was 66 when I hit nagrand |
| 05:28.55 | Tekkub | 60-65 3.5 zones.. 3.5 zones left to do... |
| 05:29.07 | Tekkub | but I won't level on live till Wrath releases anyway |
| 05:30.25 | Neuro_Medivh | Tekkub, is your pally Ally? |
| 05:30.32 | Tekkub | allypally |
| 05:30.34 | Tekkub | yes |
| 05:30.39 | Neuro_Medivh | Aldor or Scryer? |
| 05:30.57 | Tekkub | don't care, but aldor because he's draenish |
| 05:31.47 | Neuro_Medivh | good... I didn't check into what the problem was, but there's some errors in the Aldor Netherstorm quest line |
| 05:31.58 | Neuro_Medivh | like, the guide confuses two of the Manaforges |
| 05:32.16 | Tekkub | who knows, I'll get there eventuall |
| 05:32.20 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 05:32.35 | Tekkub | like I said, I'm not leveling on live till after beta |
| 05:32.47 | Neuro_Medivh | I woulda checked it out more thoroughly, but I was impatient to hit 70 on my DK |
| 05:32.52 | Neuro_Medivh | nodnod |
| 05:32.53 | Amarande | what's the grey level threshold at 80, by the way? |
| 05:32.57 | Tekkub | I'm taking a horde DK thru so I can test those guides I've never been able to |
| 05:33.00 | Amarande | still 8 below like at 70? |
| 05:33.23 | Tekkub | I don't see why they'd cange it, it's always been the same |
| 05:33.43 | Amarande | it varied up to 60 |
| 05:33.47 | NightHawkTheSane | it actually was changed at some point |
| 05:34.36 | Amarande | wondering how high one can level via outland before going on to northrend |
| 05:35.08 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, could probably get 71 or even 72 if you do all of netherstorm and smv |
| 05:35.14 | Amarande | btw, is it still 1256500 xp from 70-71? |
| 05:35.18 | Neuro_Medivh | No |
| 05:35.29 | Neuro_Medivh | like 1.7 now, down from 2.2 |
| 05:35.35 | Neuro_Medivh | mill |
| 05:36.45 | NightHawkTheSane | 1,741,500, to be sure |
| 05:37.03 | Tekkub | yea they raised it like 80%, then this last patch cut it back to about half the diff |
| 05:37.15 | Neuro_Medivh | it feels about right now |
| 05:37.34 | Tekkub | yea it does, I kinda had a feeling they'd go for about half |
| 05:38.26 | Neuro_Medivh | it was kinda weird though... going from outlands and leveling once every 2-3 hours to Northrend. The XP brakes got slammed on hard |
| 05:38.54 | Duman | Amarande: go at L68 |
| 05:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ldjflj 78/80 quests in the basin |
| 05:40.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And it crashes -.- |
| 05:40.32 | erikd | it's like that in the fjord for me =/ |
| 05:41.06 | Syzgyn | I'm not even trying to quest at this point |
| 05:41.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I found the fjord to be stupidly easy to get |
| 05:41.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I finished the achieve with 10+ quests to go in the fjord |
| 05:41.29 | Syzgyn | I did the same with Dragonblight |
| 05:41.47 | Syzgyn | think I'm still short in Borean though |
| 05:42.33 | NightHawkTheSane | horde or ally? |
| 05:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ally here |
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| 05:43.43 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 05:43.43 | erikd | looks like it's back |
| 05:43.48 | NightHawkTheSane | it is |
| 05:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't get my character list :/ |
| 05:44.07 | ScytheBlade1 | hey there we go |
| 05:44.54 | NightHawkTheSane | too many attacks to use as frost, need to fgure out smarter keybinds |
| 05:50.00 | Tekkub | heh, yea I think DK just needs majick actionbars to hold all their shit |
| 05:50.43 | Amarande | and is 60-70 still fast tracked or did they ditch that? |
| 05:51.17 | Tekkub | why would they? |
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| 06:00.30 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, weird |
| 06:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Server died, I logged back in |
| 06:00.43 | ScytheBlade1 | 78/80 for this achieve |
| 06:00.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Did one quest |
| 06:00.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Was silently awarded the achieve o_o |
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| 06:10.01 | Syzgyn | if I use for i=1, GetCategoryNumAchievements(id) do, is the function called every loop through or only once? |
| 06:10.11 | Tekkub | once |
| 06:10.18 | Syzgyn | excelent |
| 06:10.32 | Neuro_Medivh | Amarande, 60-70 is still fast tracked, and will be in release |
| 06:28.43 | Sixen | ~internet |
| 06:28.43 | purl | The internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's, it's a series of tubes. |
| 06:28.47 | Sixen | doh |
| 06:28.49 | Sixen | what's that quote? |
| 06:29.00 | Syzgyn | what would be the best way to go about asking Iriel about an API change? |
| 06:29.09 | Sixen | That way. |
| 06:29.09 | Sixen | lawl |
| 06:29.17 | Sixen | ~rule |
| 06:29.18 | purl | from memory, rule is play nice. |
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| 06:29.23 | Syzgyn | I assume he's asleep at this point |
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| 06:30.48 | ScytheBlade1 | NO |
| 06:30.51 | ScytheBlade1 | NO SCREW YOU SERVEr |
| 06:30.59 | Sixen | Sbo, what's that command? |
| 06:31.00 | Thunder_Child | ~calm ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:31.01 | purl | ACTION sooths ScytheBlade1, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm ScytheBlade1 down. |
| 06:31.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ONE QUEST AWAY FROM THE DRAGONBLIGHT ACHIEVE |
| 06:31.02 | Sixen | For the internet |
| 06:31.11 | Sixen | The quote of the internet =X |
| 06:31.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Not even ONE, less! |
| 06:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh |
| 06:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol I don't recall, haha |
| 06:32.06 | Sixen | ~irc |
| 06:32.07 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 06:32.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, it seems that the general forums come alive overnight with the trolls |
| 06:32.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10001&sid=1 |
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| 06:33.11 | Syzgyn | another late night porn bot eh? |
| 06:33.24 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: huh? did they add some quests or reduce the achievement number? |
| 06:33.42 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: last I checked it was 140 and I couldn't find any more quests (I was at 122 or something) |
| 06:34.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: for which zone? |
| 06:34.09 | Gnarfoz | oh right |
| 06:34.11 | Syzgyn | for dragonblight? |
| 06:34.12 | Gnarfoz | you said dragonblight |
| 06:34.18 | Gnarfoz | I was thinking of BT |
| 06:34.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I'm on this quest right now, to kill a bunch of mobs |
| 06:34.27 | Syzgyn | no, I got it a few days ago, it was 125 or whatever |
| 06:34.28 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'll have it |
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| 06:34.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Dragonblight is showing as 115 |
| 06:35.29 | Syzgyn | maybe thats what it was |
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| 06:37.20 | Sixen | Wow |
| 06:37.28 | Sixen | The people complaining about people helping on the beta forums fucking pisses me off. |
| 06:37.31 | Sixen | Pardon my french |
| 06:37.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? |
| 06:37.51 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023611939&sid=2000 |
| 06:38.14 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023681320&sid=2000 |
| 06:40.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay achieve |
| 06:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | And I still have at least five quests to do |
| 06:40.56 | Syzgyn | yeah, you can pass that one easily |
| 06:41.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: meh, it's all meta-whining. I just stopped reading the beta forums for the most part - they're pretty much just as bad/worse than the regular forums |
| 06:41.28 | Sixen | Same. |
| 06:41.36 | Sixen | I stopped posting really. |
| 06:41.46 | Sixen | I still go to Bug Report and I lurk General, that's it. |
| 06:41.49 | Syzgyn | 2 weeks ago they were alot better |
| 06:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 06:42.01 | Syzgyn | even one week ago |
| 06:42.24 | Syzgyn | but now all the people asking in trade 'HOW I GET TO NORTHREND' are starting to post |
| 06:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Knowing full well that I'd probably be excluded from such a thing, they should really start agressively playing favorites, and give X people access to a server than the regular beta people don't |
| 06:42.57 | ScytheBlade1 | + forums |
| 06:43.10 | Syzgyn | its call F&F Alpha |
| 06:43.12 | Syzgyn | :P |
| 06:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, and now that's gone :P |
| 06:43.18 | Thunder_Child | mmmm...troll |
| 06:43.32 | Syzgyn | we're not special enough to be included in that stage :P |
| 06:43.52 | Syzgyn | but yeah, a by invite server sort of thing would be really nice |
| 06:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Heck, make the "requirements" public |
| 06:44.22 | ScytheBlade1 | "USE THE FEEDBACK TOOL EFFECTIVELY" |
| 06:45.06 | erikd | i think it'd be nice if they would at least play favorites for old beta testers |
| 06:45.24 | erikd | i probably put in 50 bug reports in tbc beta |
| 06:45.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been completing every survey thrown at me, and bugged anything I've seen that I thought might be a bug |
| 06:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ie certain abilities with cast bars that I can counterspell |
| 06:46.04 | ScytheBlade1 | But probably shouldn't be able to |
| 06:46.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Mobs with voices that shouldn't have them, mobs without voices that should |
| 06:46.25 | ScytheBlade1 | And it'd all be drown out on the forums right now -.- |
| 06:46.33 | Syzgyn | I dont do the quest surveys if I didnt find anything particularly wrong with the quest |
| 06:46.48 | Syzgyn | unless its one of those amazingly awesome ones |
| 06:47.43 | Wobin | what's a good addon to track lifebloom? |
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| 07:03.54 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Guest57544 |
| 07:03.54 | purl | gives Guest57544 a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 07:07.49 | Wobin | has gsub been depreciated? |
| 07:07.52 | Wobin | woah |
| 07:08.09 | Wobin | oh it's aceconsole-2.0 |
| 07:11.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha wow, I'm 155 rep away from exalted with Vailance.. |
| 07:15.20 | batrick | i don't think gsub will become deprecated... ever |
| 07:15.25 | batrick | lol :P |
| 07:21.03 | Wobin | something is redefining gsub in wotlk =P |
| 07:24.04 | Thunder_Child | anyone know if HP made pro photopaper in the 70's? |
| 07:24.56 | Iriel | That sounds unlikely |
| 07:25.00 | ccox | I kinda doubt it, as HP didn't make anything more than band printers in the 70s |
| 07:25.15 | ccox | inkjets hadn't been invented yet |
| 07:25.41 | ccox | and xerox machines were still a mess (most didn't use plain paper until late 70s early 80s) |
| 07:26.03 | Thunder_Child | just an inconsistancy in a show i am watching. photo was "taken" in the 70's but the back showed the HP logo. |
| 07:26.04 | ccox | and HP wasn't in the photographic paper business |
| 07:26.19 | Thunder_Child | the new logo come to think of it |
| 07:26.23 | ccox | yeah, that's a LITTLE inconsistency |
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| 07:26.28 | ccox | lol - that's worse |
| 07:29.41 | ccox | should I even ask what show? |
| 07:30.28 | Thunder_Child | dexter, not sure why i am watching it...it's not all that enjoyable |
| 07:32.31 | Thunder_Child | mostly because i have season one and nothing better to do |
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| 07:40.30 | Thunder_Child | just paint the hair red and this could be for all of cairenn's fanboys http://www.explosm.net/comics/247/ |
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| 07:40.50 | ccox | lol |
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| 07:41.02 | Thunder_Child | good thing she didnt hear me say it |
| 07:42.26 | ccox | don't worry, she has spys |
| 07:43.01 | ccox | s/spys/spies/ |
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| 08:18.39 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, do you have a larger image similar to http://s.wowinterface.com/images/wowinterface.gif |
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| 08:19.30 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: dolby should have |
| 08:19.50 | Cairenn | but he's at work right now |
| 08:20.01 | Thunder_Child | ok, np |
| 08:20.22 | Cairenn | looking to see which version(s) I have |
| 08:20.28 | Cairenn | I'm pretty sure I don't have that one though |
| 08:21.00 | Thunder_Child | or any plain larger image |
| 08:21.12 | Thunder_Child | i would use the one you have now but it has chains in it |
| 08:21.23 | Cairenn | I know |
| 08:23.10 | Cairenn | yeah, I don't have the latest version, sorry |
| 08:23.26 | Cairenn | I'll get it from him |
| 08:23.36 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks |
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| 08:25.13 | Tekkub | hrm... new keylogger in the wild? |
| 08:25.24 | cladhaire | orly? |
| 08:25.28 | Tekkub | some paid transfers just went thru on my live account... |
| 08:25.40 | cladhaire | =( |
| 08:25.56 | zenzelezz | o_O |
| 08:26.03 | Tekkub | which raises the obvious question, why are those allowed to happen without a "we send a temp password to your email that you have to enter" |
| 08:26.12 | cladhaire | tjat' |
| 08:26.19 | cladhaire | that's a good point, why isn't there a confirmation process |
| 08:26.32 | Tekkub | there is one, but it's all on the page |
| 08:26.43 | Tekkub | no "confirm it's really you via email" |
| 08:27.23 | zenzelezz | does the transfer charge the card used to pay your subscription, or do you need to enter the details again? |
| 08:27.25 | Tekkub | anywho, running a scan and it found "TR/Delf.Inject.AP.1 |
| 08:27.40 | Tekkub | also, I've not logged into live for like a week and a half, lawl |
| 08:28.04 | Tekkub | it charged something, I can only assume it was my card cause there's not enough in paypal |
| 08:28.19 | cladhaire | hrm, how odd |
| 08:28.22 | cladhaire | sorry to hear that tekk |
| 08:28.28 | Sixen | "Chilton announced that the WotLK will be released on the 5th of When itâs Readyâ¢". |
| 08:28.30 | Sixen | Ahahaha/ |
| 08:28.41 | Tekkub | eh, it's a bitch but at least I'm not playing on live currently |
| 08:30.14 | cladhaire | blizz authenticators imo |
| 08:30.22 | Tekkub | hrm... I don't know WHAT it charged, cause I only have $35.38 pending at the bank |
| 08:30.24 | cladhaire | they can transfrer your chars all they want but can't get any gold :P |
| 08:31.02 | Tekkub | yea I reset the password within minutes of getting the "transfer completed" emails... I doubt they got anything off em |
| 08:31.16 | Tekkub | want to let the virus scan finish before I try to do anything though |
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| 08:34.11 | Thunder_Child | it would be weird to tie http://www.explosm.net/comics/383/ in with the new contest going on.... |
| 08:34.14 | Sixen1 | Doh. |
| 08:34.16 | Sixen1 | Why did I dc. |
| 08:40.45 | Tekkub | *sigh* guess I'll order a stupid blizzy auth token |
| 08:40.55 | Tekkub | I didn't want to get one :P |
| 08:41.01 | cladhaire | =( |
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| 08:44.05 | batrick | linux + wine = no need for authenticator :) |
| 08:44.43 | zenzelezz | even then it doesn't hurt to have one |
| 08:45.06 | Tekkub | I am not about to fuck with linux dualmon again |
| 08:45.31 | Thunder_Child | wow + secure computer = no need for authenticator |
| 08:45.45 | ccox | or just MacOS = no chance for keyloggers, and fewer headaches all around |
| 08:45.52 | cladhaire | but its $6 |
| 08:45.55 | Tekkub | yea Thund... I'm still not sure that it was a keylogger even |
| 08:45.59 | cladhaire | and it doesn't matter where you log in |
| 08:46.05 | zenzelezz | I feel all warm and fuzzy under all these blanket statements |
| 08:46.16 | cladhaire | thats just win regardless of what you have |
| 08:46.22 | Tekkub | I mean I've only accidentally typed my password in IRC how many times? |
| 08:46.29 | ccox | Win for the Lose? |
| 08:46.34 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, you have 3 options as i see it. keylogger, you, or blizzard |
| 08:46.40 | ccox | Tekkub - 3 that I know of |
| 08:46.48 | ccox | oh, wait, did I say that out loud? |
| 08:46.59 | Tekkub | see? |
| 08:47.08 | Tekkub | and I TRUSTED YOU ASSHOLES |
| 08:47.14 | Tekkub | you just wanted my gold |
| 08:47.16 | Thunder_Child | i have tyoed my ow in here at least 3 times myself |
| 08:47.26 | Thunder_Child | own* |
| 08:47.26 | cladhaire | my account name woudl be pretty hard to guess tho |
| 08:47.27 | cladhaire | both of em |
| 08:47.30 | Thunder_Child | typed* |
| 08:47.44 | Tekkub | heh, mine wouldn't :) |
| 08:48.00 | Thunder_Child | if it's 'tellub' you should be shot |
| 08:48.05 | Thunder_Child | tekkub* |
| 08:48.13 | Tekkub | why? :P |
| 08:48.16 | cladhaire | Tekkub: its not abotu how many times you've typed it.. its about how fucking memorable it is. |
| 08:48.28 | Tekkub | yea I know |
| 08:48.31 | Shadowed | You've done it at least once |
| 08:48.35 | cladhaire | i dont want to know it |
| 08:48.36 | Shadowed | cause I remember ghosting you a year ago |
| 08:48.36 | cladhaire | but i do |
| 08:48.42 | cladhaire | <-- gold farmer |
| 08:48.51 | Tekkub | I'm not at all concerned... like I said I've not been on live in a week |
| 08:49.01 | ccox | passwd: OMGCairennIsSoH0T |
| 08:49.02 | Tekkub | it'll get worked out before I'm playing there again |
| 08:49.03 | Jamash | my password is "magicbeans" |
| 08:49.05 | Shadowed | Aren't the autthenticators sold out? |
| 08:49.14 | Tekkub | and they ain't gonna hit beta and steal my gold there |
| 08:49.27 | Jamash | Shadowed: yes |
| 08:49.54 | Thunder_Child | no no Tekkub, i like it. you randomly post your PW in IRC and have an incredably easy UN, then get an authenticator, that will show them |
| 08:50.14 | Shadowed | As long as he doesn't enter the authenticator, password and username at the same time |
| 08:50.16 | Shadowed | he'll be fine |
| 08:50.23 | Tekkub | Thunder_Child, uhm, you missed the part where I'm not pissed off about it |
| 08:50.28 | Thunder_Child | $10 says he does |
| 08:50.48 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, no i didnt, you pointed it out a few times |
| 08:51.12 | Tekkub | then I'm not seeing your logic here... |
| 08:51.27 | Thunder_Child | oh..logic? no logic, i'm just an ass |
| 08:51.42 | Tekkub | right but that's not working out either |
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| 08:52.01 | cladhaire | srsly |
| 08:52.07 | cladhaire | you're terrible at this |
| 08:52.08 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, you mean like not saying anything? |
| 08:52.25 | cladhaire | no, you're just like.. arguing with yourself |
| 08:52.26 | Tekkub | oh that's a good one try that for a while |
| 08:52.28 | cladhaire | at least sag gets someone upset |
| 08:52.36 | Thunder_Child | besides, i wasnt trying to troll |
| 08:52.40 | Thunder_Child | or get anyone upset |
| 08:52.46 | zenzelezz | that's what all the trolls say when they fail |
| 08:52.47 | zenzelezz | =) |
| 08:52.50 | ccox | Screen Actors Guild gets pretty much everyone upset.... |
| 08:52.58 | Thunder_Child | well i was amused to it's a win for me |
| 08:53.05 | Tekkub | fucking strike |
| 08:53.07 | Thunder_Child | s/to/so/ |
| 08:53.12 | Tekkub | I still don't have all my shows to watch |
| 08:53.23 | Thunder_Child | dont most start next month? |
| 08:53.41 | Tekkub | fuck if I know, I just watch em when they download |
| 08:54.22 | Thunder_Child | http://eztv.it/index.php?main=showlist |
| 08:54.37 | Thunder_Child | handy list |
| 08:57.32 | Mike-N-Go | Tekkub: I did not see a call to check if the player was horde/alliance in your TourGuide_Recorder, isn't it important what faction a player is for guides? |
| 08:57.59 | Tekkub | not really |
| 08:58.26 | Shadowed | Tekkub subscribes to the "Fuck 'em, they'll figure it out" school of thought |
| 08:58.40 | Tekkub | yes, fuck me, I'll figure it out |
| 09:01.28 | Tekkub | hrm... curiouser and curiouser |
| 09:01.38 | Tekkub | the virus avira found came down on the 4th |
| 09:01.50 | Tekkub | it was added into their scanner on like the 13th |
| 09:02.44 | Tekkub | *12th |
| 09:05.08 | ccox | hmm, thanks for that site -- some shows I thought were cancelled aren't (good think my TiVo is still setup to record them) |
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| 10:25.51 | cladhaire | 69.5 already! |
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| 10:34.18 | kromar | hi |
| 10:41.11 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765785942&sid=2003 |
| 10:41.16 | Adys | missing the poiint >< |
| 10:44.09 | Arrowmaster | Adys: afaik if the change happens without causing you to detarget the mob, the guid will not change, working as intended |
| 10:44.27 | Adys | thats exactly what Im talking about |
| 10:44.42 | Adys | the NPC is replaced without you losing the target |
| 10:45.00 | Adys | its a different NPC id, you can check your caches after being near a change like that, etc |
| 10:45.25 | Arrowmaster | wait so UnitGUID() is returning a different guid? |
| 10:45.32 | Adys | It's not |
| 10:45.35 | Adys | thats the bug |
| 10:45.45 | Arrowmaster | its not a bug |
| 10:46.20 | Adys | you really insist eh? |
| 10:46.35 | Arrowmaster | yes, because you do not lose target |
| 10:46.35 | Wobin | Balance druid. Aldor or Scryer? |
| 10:46.49 | Adys | you dont Arrowmaster, indeed |
| 10:46.51 | foxlit | Wobin: Scyer, but, really, meh at either faction. |
| 10:47.01 | Adys | the NPC instead of being despawned and respawned, is replaced |
| 10:47.09 | Adys | they added that a few live patches ago |
| 10:47.25 | Arrowmaster | no its been in forever |
| 10:47.27 | foxlit | I think "becomes" is the word you're looking for |
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| 10:47.55 | Adys | as i said, you can check your cache, you are recieving the info of a NEW npc when that happens |
| 10:48.00 | Adys | its not getting "updated" |
| 10:48.04 | foxlit | Why do you care? |
| 10:48.10 | Adys | because I can |
| 10:48.16 | Arrowmaster | and it wont because its not a bug |
| 10:48.17 | Adys | (and because it affects me) |
| 10:48.33 | foxlit | I think the behavior is entirely reasonable |
| 10:48.36 | Adys | ok arrowmaster, lets take a totally different pov |
| 10:48.46 | Adys | you arrive in stormwind keep, theres onyxia up in there |
| 10:48.55 | foxlit | Whatever you glean from the cache isn't interesting to the rest of the API. |
| 10:48.59 | Adys | all you see is onyxia, you dont see katrana |
| 10:49.26 | Adys | you log off, your cache contains the information about Onyxia, the one you saw. the ID is different to the guid given ingame |
| 10:49.37 | Arrowmaster | ok heres a totally different pov, targeting is based on guids, if you want the guid to change when the mob transforms you will cause everybody targeting it and every referece to it (as it everybody focusing it) to detarget/defocus it |
| 10:49.41 | Arrowmaster | not going to change |
| 10:49.47 | Arrowmaster | WORKING AS INTENDED |
| 10:50.13 | Adys | sooo? |
| 10:50.25 | Arrowmaster | so not going to change |
| 10:50.38 | Adys | just because it works like that right now doesn't mean you can change a tiny bit to fix a bug |
| 10:50.54 | Arrowmaster | but there is no bug |
| 10:50.54 | Adys | like auto retarget, or locking it in the client code itself even |
| 10:50.58 | Nargiddley | what would changing it fix ? |
| 10:51.15 | Adys | the fact you're recieving an erroneous guid |
| 10:51.21 | Arrowmaster | its been this way forever, theres nothing wrong with it |
| 10:51.33 | Adys | no its not, guids have been added very recently |
| 10:51.41 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:51.49 | Arrowmaster | the api to see guids was |
| 10:51.58 | Adys | yeah so? |
| 10:51.59 | Arrowmaster | guids have been used by the game forever |
| 10:52.16 | Nargiddley | what effect of having this 'erroneous' guid would it fix ? |
| 10:52.16 | Adys | I believe that, that doesnt actually matter |
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| 10:52.36 | Adys | its like saying they wont fix the blink bug because its been bugged forever |
| 10:52.41 | Arrowmaster | do you realize how much server code would have to be added to fix this nonexistant bug |
| 10:52.44 | Nargiddley | because having the same guid for an npc before and after a change seems logical to me |
| 10:52.54 | Adys | right, Arrowmaster, thats totally bs |
| 10:52.57 | Nargiddley | its the same npc, its just changed its type |
| 10:53.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah its the same npc |
| 10:53.12 | Arrowmaster | which means it still has the same guid |
| 10:53.17 | Nargiddley | it may have retained other things, threat table is one I could think of |
| 10:53.25 | foxlit | More importantly "fixing" this non-issue would introduce actual problems. |
| 10:53.25 | Adys | thats the whole point its not the same npc ... |
| 10:53.27 | Arrowmaster | the only way to change the guid is to despawn it and spawn a new one |
| 10:53.50 | Arrowmaster | yes it is |
| 10:53.52 | Nargiddley | on what basis is it not the same npc, differnt mob id ? |
| 10:54.02 | Adys | yes Nargiddley |
| 10:54.07 | Nargiddley | because thats just one attribute of what an npc is |
| 10:54.09 | Arrowmaster | mob id doesnt mean shit |
| 10:54.22 | Adys | what an argument, Im convinced |
| 10:54.43 | Arrowmaster | the mob id could change but since the npc was already existing its guid is not going to change |
| 10:55.18 | Adys | ill let blizz decide that |
| 10:55.26 | Arrowmaster | blizz has decided |
| 10:55.34 | Arrowmaster | they designed it like this years ago |
| 10:55.35 | Adys | Sigh seriously Arrowmaster |
| 10:56.01 | Arrowmaster | and i sure as hell hope they fucking ignore you |
| 10:56.10 | Adys | well fine, hope what you want |
| 10:56.28 | Adys | but dont be so pretencious to say you know how much code is necessary to change this particular behaviour |
| 10:56.30 | Arrowmaster | because the large amount of code that would have to be added and the large amount of stuff that could break from trying to change it is not worth it |
| 10:56.38 | Adys | like you just did |
| 10:56.50 | Arrowmaster | ITS A FUCKING GUID |
| 10:57.02 | Arrowmaster | DO YOU KNOW WHAT A GUID IS |
| 10:57.11 | Adys | i know what caps are |
| 10:57.29 | Adys | also, yes I know what a guid is. so? Ive seen blizz work around weirder shit than that |
| 10:57.41 | Arrowmaster | ITS A FUCKING GLOBAL ID! YOU DONT FUCKING CHANGE IT ON EXISTING ENTITIES! |
| 10:58.07 | Adys | look, tell that to blizzard if they ever say "we'll fix this" |
| 10:58.18 | Arrowmaster | i cant |
| 10:58.22 | Adys | because i indeed dont fucking change it on existing entities since I dont EVER change them myself |
| 10:58.29 | Arrowmaster | you posted it on the EU forum |
| 10:58.43 | Adys | repost it on the US forums and tell them not to implement that then |
| 10:59.51 | foxlit | There's no reason to give it more actual airtime :) |
| 11:00.52 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: I could whine at Adys on EU forums if you really want to, but, meh, the faster that thread dies of natural causes, the better |
| 11:01.25 | Arrowmaster | agreed |
| 11:02.18 | Arrowmaster | since its not a bug, and if they did try to change the behavior they would have to modifiy everything for handling guids server and client side |
| 11:03.11 | Adys | give it another term then |
| 11:03.14 | Adys | unwanted behaviour |
| 11:03.21 | foxlit | Just by you. |
| 11:03.38 | foxlit | GUIDs uniquely identify a game-world entity |
| 11:03.41 | Nargiddley | why is it unwanted for an npc to retain its guid for its lifespan ? |
| 11:03.48 | foxlit | And that's about it. |
| 11:03.59 | foxlit | They're not your free "get me this mob's internal ID" ticket |
| 11:04.07 | foxlit | Even if they do occasionally function that way. |
| 11:04.09 | Adys | I know that foxlit |
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| 11:05.10 | Adys | Also, seeing the way they're taking it wouldnt surprise me to see them add GetNPCInfo() soon |
| 11:05.43 | foxlit | who is taking what how and where? |
| 11:06.15 | Adys | the red team is taking advantage over the blue team in the battlefield like that |
| 11:10.20 | Adys | What was the name of the addon that let you right click to cast fishing if you had fishing pole equipped? |
| 11:10.27 | Adys | actually, does it still even work.. |
| 11:12.41 | Wobin | yes |
| 11:12.43 | Wobin | fishingbuddy |
| 11:13.15 | Wobin | actually I use FishermansFriend |
| 11:13.58 | Adys | thats the one arrow gave me aye |
| 11:14.04 | Adys | think its the one |
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| 11:25.28 | cladhaire | 6 bubbles left |
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| 11:27.08 | Fisker- | fishermans friend is mean |
| 11:27.17 | Fisker- | it ate my elixirs >:3 |
| 11:28.45 | cladhaire | ha! |
| 11:28.50 | cladhaire | and i can live against a 70 rogue now :P |
| 11:33.17 | Fisker- | why so handshaking cladhaire? |
| 11:33.25 | cladhaire | ? |
| 11:33.53 | cladhaire | I dont understand what you mean |
| 11:34.06 | Fisker- | EU Testing process: Login->Repeat until logged in->World Server down->Repeat until logged in->Server crash |
| 11:34.38 | cladhaire | ? |
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| 11:34.49 | cladhaire | I don't understand |
| 11:34.54 | Fisker- | >:o |
| 11:35.06 | Fisker- | see Dark Knight :( |
| 11:35.22 | cladhaire | I did? |
| 11:35.29 | cladhaire | what in the HELL are you talking about? |
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| 11:35.37 | Fisker- | O_o |
| 11:35.58 | Fisker- | just making a PUN on "Why so serious?" :o |
| 11:36.04 | Fisker- | because i'm bored |
| 11:36.27 | cladhaire | worst pun ever? |
| 11:36.35 | Fisker- | definitely |
| 11:36.40 | nevcairiel | its Fisker-, what do you expect |
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| 11:39.08 | |pez| | uhm, holy crap |
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| 12:41.11 | cladhaire | two bubbles! |
| 12:45.55 | Esine | what bubbles :( what are you talking about |
| 12:47.26 | Industrial | lol <OVER NINETHOUSAND> |
| 12:49.44 | kromar | can someone take a look at this code and can tell me why the ignored spells are written to the table after line 10? http://pastey.net/94572 |
| 12:50.20 | Esine | just wtf is that over ninethousand thing |
| 12:52.52 | cbreak | kromar: you expect that to work? |
| 12:53.02 | Pneumatus | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Over_9000 |
| 12:53.30 | cbreak | you should try to improve your understanding of for loops |
| 12:54.27 | cladhaire | ding 70 |
| 12:54.35 | kromar | cbreak: hm whats the problem with those loops? |
| 12:55.40 | cbreak | kromar: tell me what you think for k,v in ipairs(dist3_IgnoredSpells) do does :) |
| 12:58.09 | Wobin | Hint: the K stands for Key and the V stands for Value =) |
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| 12:58.58 | Wobin | Also, since you're already looping through the ignored spell list, you don't need to re-reference the array |
| 12:59.13 | cbreak | I think looping over the list is a bad idea anyway |
| 12:59.15 | cladhaire | so how do i get to the isle of quel'danas? |
| 12:59.23 | cbreak | but first kromar should understand how it works :) |
| 12:59.25 | Wobin | IF |
| 12:59.34 | cladhaire | Wobin: thanks, flight path from there? |
| 12:59.34 | Wobin | Or port there from Shatt |
| 12:59.35 | cbreak | the portal in shat? :) |
| 12:59.38 | Wobin | yeah |
| 12:59.43 | cladhaire | thanks. |
| 12:59.46 | Wobin | depends on what stage your realm is at |
| 12:59.59 | cbreak | right, I remember |
| 13:00.20 | kromar | cbreak: i dont understand whats wrong with it, i need to compare the table values with the acctual spell and a loop is how i can do that isnt it? |
| 13:00.43 | cbreak | what do you think will be in k and v after the first iteration? |
| 13:00.46 | Wobin | cbreak: see, the hint didn't help =) |
| 13:01.00 | cbreak | the first time the loop gets entered |
| 13:01.20 | cbreak | let's asume the spell you want to check is "Resurection" |
| 13:01.36 | cbreak | (of course with correct spelling :) |
| 13:01.39 | Pneumatus | have the spell id as a key to the table, then just check if table[spellid] |
| 13:01.58 | cbreak | Pneumatus: spoiler! |
| 13:01.58 | Wobin | Pneumatus: we're trying to teach something a little more basic, first |
| 13:02.19 | Pneumatus | oh, appologies then :P |
| 13:03.44 | kromar | well i could just enter the index, but i dont want do enter every spell manually so i thought i loop it... |
| 13:04.25 | Pneumatus | id dread to thing how many codepaths that snippit of code is generating |
| 13:05.12 | Nargiddley | its creating 3-4 tables as garbage per spell as well |
| 13:05.16 | cbreak | kromar: you have two major problems in your code, at least |
| 13:05.25 | cbreak | first, you think you loop over the table, but you don't. |
| 13:05.34 | cbreak | second, you index the table wrong |
| 13:05.55 | kromar | hmm those are some major problems... |
| 13:06.19 | cbreak | so, first, what do you think the loop does? |
| 13:06.32 | cbreak | answer: it iterates over the table |
| 13:06.40 | Pneumatus | looping when you exit condition is math.huge makes baby jesus cry |
| 13:06.43 | cbreak | but |
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| 13:07.14 | cbreak | you completely ignore it |
| 13:07.40 | Nargiddley | Pneumatus, the break stops it well before then |
| 13:07.42 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: i think that even was the usual way of doing it, because there was no API to get the number of spells. (Or rather, you would just do it in a while true loop) |
| 13:10.27 | Pneumatus | fair enough, i thought they finally implemented a GetNumSpells() or something |
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| 13:13.08 | kromar | cbreak: well i tried to compare the spellname with k but that did the same thing as ignoredspells[v] does.... |
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| 13:14.00 | cbreak | ok, you don't seem to understand it |
| 13:14.02 | cbreak | what you do is: |
| 13:14.08 | kromar | cbreak: could i do something like while i=1,n do if spellname~=ignoredspells[i] then .... end? |
| 13:14.46 | cbreak | you go over the whole list of ignored spells, and for each name in the list that is not also a key in that list (no spell is a key in the list) you add your spell |
| 13:16.35 | cbreak | since you have four entries in your ignored spells list, you add every spell four times |
| 13:16.47 | cbreak | (of course, the first three times get overwritten by the one after them) |
| 13:17.06 | Nargiddley | kromar, you don't need to go back to the table for comparisons. k and v are already the key and value. |
| 13:17.43 | cbreak | yes, but that would still be suboptimal Nargiddley. The best solution would be to use the spell name or spell id as index |
| 13:17.47 | Nargiddley | I know |
| 13:18.16 | cbreak | besides, I think kromar has to learn basic algorithms still |
| 13:19.12 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/94576 |
| 13:19.40 | foxlit | I think SecureHandlers are broken there. |
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| 13:21.44 | p3lim | haste: ping |
| 13:22.03 | kromar | cbreak: for k,v in ipairs(dist3_IgnoredSpells) do if (spellname~=v) then... should that work? |
| 13:22.07 | haste | p3lim: pong |
| 13:22.17 | cbreak | kromar: no. |
| 13:22.25 | p3lim | haste: what exactly does oUF:RegisterSubTypeMapping()? |
| 13:22.28 | cbreak | that would instead only add the spell three times when it's ignored |
| 13:22.32 | cbreak | and four times when it's not ignored |
| 13:23.50 | Nargiddley | lua> local ignore = { [1] = 1, [2] = 4 } for spell = 1,5 do for i,v in ipairs(ignore) do if v ~= spell then print(spell) end end end |
| 13:23.50 | batbot | Nargiddley, print is correct. |
| 13:23.50 | lua_bot | Nargiddley: 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5 |
| 13:23.51 | haste | p3lim: registers a update callback |
| 13:23.52 | kromar | cbreak: oh i think i see it now... |
| 13:23.53 | cbreak | foxlit: I don't understand why issecure is called there. Does blizzard want the error to be thrown every time secure code calls this function? |
| 13:24.03 | Nargiddley | thats whats happening in your code atm |
| 13:24.14 | foxlit | cbreak: no, that part is fine |
| 13:24.27 | foxlit | Path will be tainted if frame[methodName] is insecure |
| 13:24.43 | foxlit | They do not want you to be calling arbitrary secure methods on the frame. |
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| 13:25.13 | cbreak | you could probably still taint that call in other ways and call secure code anyway |
| 13:25.17 | foxlit | So if you're still secure after accessing frame[methodName], frame[methodName] is a secure method, and you're not supposed to call secure methods using that mechanism, so they kill it. |
| 13:25.25 | foxlit | cbreak: no. |
| 13:25.49 | cbreak | making a secure method insecure should not be hard. |
| 13:25.53 | foxlit | You can't taint the execution path before that point without messing up everything else. |
| 13:26.03 | Wobin | what's with batbot? |
| 13:26.07 | foxlit | If you make a secure method insecure, you lose any potential functionality you may have hoped to achieve. |
| 13:26.09 | cbreak | hmm... "without messing up everything else"... right :) |
| 13:26.28 | foxlit | There's no point in calling protected code from outside secure execution paths |
| 13:26.36 | foxlit | (it won't be able to _do_ anything) |
| 13:26.55 | cbreak | yeah. but I see the original problem you mentioned |
| 13:28.30 | cbreak | that code would only work if you could somehow set the __call metamethod on strings. I have no idea if you can do that from lua in wow. |
| 13:30.46 | batrick | you can |
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| 13:32.49 | Zxcvb | is http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/ a reliable mirror site? |
| 13:34.49 | haste | most likely |
| 13:35.28 | MentalPower | it is |
| 13:35.46 | MentalPower | its in wowwiki's mirror list, and its been there forever |
| 13:36.09 | haste | and the owner has operated a BT tracker for a couple of years |
| 13:36.53 | foxlit | When dealing with wow's updates |
| 13:37.01 | foxlit | There's really no reason to trust anyone |
| 13:37.21 | Gnarfoz | when dealing with wow's updates, just compare hashes. |
| 13:37.30 | foxlit | Grab the mirrored file, place it in wow's directory, the start WoW. |
| 13:38.03 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: you don't have a known-good hash outside of the downloader. |
| 13:38.18 | Gnarfoz | so? use the downloader. |
| 13:38.31 | Gnarfoz | you just said that yourself |
| 13:38.32 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 13:38.33 | foxlit | No hash comparisons visible to the user there |
| 13:38.49 | Gnarfoz | who cares if I can see it? the downloader does it for me |
| 13:38.56 | Gnarfoz | it's how bittorrent works :X |
| 13:39.01 | cbreak | the downloader will resume seeding on validated content |
| 13:39.19 | cbreak | if the content is not valid, seeding will not work |
| 13:39.19 | Gnarfoz | exactly. |
| 13:39.26 | Gnarfoz | like every other bt client out there |
| 13:39.29 | Dark_Elf | is there a website that tells for example which race uses guns for hunters, or tells what the races start with as weapon? |
| 13:39.42 | foxlit | I'm only objecting to you calling that action "just compare hashes". |
| 13:39.44 | Gnarfoz | wowwiki comes to mind |
| 13:39.54 | cbreak | dwarfes start with guns, elfs with bows, and aliens with crossbows |
| 13:40.11 | Gnarfoz | there's greenskins and moo-moos, too. |
| 13:40.21 | Dark_Elf | ok will goto wowwiki |
| 13:40.22 | cbreak | they are worthless horde scum |
| 13:40.24 | ckknight | cows start with guns |
| 13:40.29 | ckknight | every other horde race is bows |
| 13:40.59 | cbreak | in the end, every hunter can use all ranged weapons (besides wands and thrown?) |
| 13:41.25 | Dark_Elf | thats what i was getting at, i noticed alot of variances in what they start with, guess that makes it more fun to try the different race/classes out |
| 13:41.31 | ckknight | cbreak: they can use thrown, I think |
| 13:44.00 | Zxcvb | not that it makes any difference what client/torrent you use, but isn't there a way to replace a valid chunk with an invalid chunk in a way that the torrent client can't detect? |
| 13:44.30 | Shirik | ckknight: dwarves |
| 13:44.37 | ckknight | I suppose if you had a chunk with the same hash, Zxcvb |
| 13:44.47 | ckknight | Shirik: ? |
| 13:45.00 | Shirik | oh horde race |
| 13:45.14 | cbreak | Zxcvb: you can, if you manage to break crypotographically secure hashes |
| 13:45.28 | cbreak | there was an article about a quite interesting attack on hash methods a few days ago |
| 13:45.45 | cbreak | but collision attacks with all popular digests are still not public |
| 13:45.50 | cbreak | and probably don't exist |
| 13:45.58 | Shirik | oh I wouldn't say that |
| 13:46.11 | Shirik | maybe not yet found |
| 13:46.24 | cbreak | well, with "don't exist" I mean "are not possible to do efficiently yet" |
| 13:46.38 | cbreak | you can just brute force any collision |
| 13:46.54 | foxlit | If blizzard is competent, it won't help you |
| 13:47.25 | cbreak | I doubt they changed anything on bt |
| 13:47.39 | foxlit | BT is only a transfer protocol. |
| 13:47.39 | Throngy | hey guys i'm trying to detect when someone had joined a raid - RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE, PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED or both? |
| 13:47.49 | Shirik | RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 13:48.03 | Throngy | ty |
| 13:48.05 | ckknight | Throngy: I typically register both and point to the same function |
| 13:48.06 | cbreak | party is only for the group you are in afaik |
| 13:48.07 | foxlit | (CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM!) |
| 13:48.12 | Shirik | ~lart foxlit |
| 13:48.12 | purl | blames foxlit for all the evil in the world |
| 13:48.27 | foxlit | What, it's really the best solution |
| 13:48.42 | foxlit | You can get a localized capture string from the localization strings already in the client |
| 13:48.48 | Shirik | you are a bad man |
| 13:48.56 | Throngy | ok, thanks - think i'm done then :D |
| 13:49.00 | Shirik | readable code is good :P |
| 13:49.19 | Zxcvb | does the blizzard downloader check the hash of the completed files or just chunks? |
| 13:49.24 | foxlit | And matching the chat message against a single-capture pattern is trivial compared to figuring out which RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE actually added someone to your raid |
| 13:49.33 | Shirik | why? |
| 13:49.43 | Shirik | Just check the number of members in the raid compared to the last number |
| 13:49.48 | Shirik | If it's not, someone left or joined |
| 13:50.02 | foxlit | And then you probably want to know who the new guy is :) |
| 13:50.13 | Shirik | He didn't say that :) |
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| 13:50.19 | foxlit | Last time I checked, RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE fires as soon as someone sneezes :) |
| 13:50.29 | Shirik | However, I would prefer to see RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE have some arguments |
| 13:50.43 | Throngy | yeah i'm having to loop through the whole raid every time |
| 13:50.51 | Shirik | imnsho RRU is rather unclean |
| 13:50.59 | Shirik | Throngy: Why? |
| 13:51.13 | Throngy | ooh good idea on checking the number |
| 13:51.35 | Throngy | i only want to call a method for each new member, that's all i care about |
| 13:51.52 | Shirik | conspiracy! |
| 13:52.06 | foxlit | tinfoil? |
| 13:52.11 | Shirik | indeed |
| 13:52.22 | Shirik | But Conspiracy had a one-line way to do that :( |
| 13:52.35 | Throngy | what's conspiracy? |
| 13:52.48 | Throngy | sounds handy :) |
| 13:52.50 | Shirik | a raiding library/UI that never came into existence |
| 13:52.57 | Throngy | oh :/ |
| 13:55.27 | Wobin | Shirik: No conspiracy? =( |
| 13:55.36 | Shirik | not at least for a while |
| 13:55.52 | foxlit | Hm |
| 13:55.56 | Shirik | Cidan is having personal issues and I really can't do it on my own, especially with the number of projects I'm working on at school |
| 13:56.12 | foxlit | a wrath version of my pie lib is 21 lines longer than the BC version. This shall not stand! |
| 13:56.56 | nevcairiel | mmm pie |
| 13:58.00 | foxlit | On the bright side, can now release a single addon to support both versions |
| 13:58.15 | foxlit | (wtb multiple ## Interface: lines in .toc) |
| 14:00.26 | cbreak | pie lib? |
| 14:00.35 | cbreak | there is nice pie in WotLK, like a mage dinner table |
| 14:00.38 | cbreak | just tastier :) |
| 14:01.26 | Wobin | argh |
| 14:01.41 | Wobin | now that I've changed things from "height and width" to "thickness and length" |
| 14:01.49 | Wobin | I need another term for the thickness of a bar |
| 14:01.54 | Wobin | (and.. man does that sound seedy) |
| 14:02.03 | Wobin | perhaps I should use 'girth' =P |
| 14:02.11 | cbreak | diameter? |
| 14:02.27 | foxlit | implies a circle |
| 14:02.29 | Wobin | It's not exactly -round- =\ |
| 14:02.30 | Adys | are there functions to determine if Im in an instance? |
| 14:02.43 | Adys | as in, a normal or heroic instance etc |
| 14:03.11 | cbreak | there should be. worst case you have to look in the menu where you select where you are |
| 14:03.35 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_IsInInstance |
| 14:03.43 | Wobin | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInstanceDifficulty |
| 14:03.57 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInstanceDifficulty |
| 14:04.01 | Shirik | bleh |
| 14:04.10 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 14:04.20 | Wobin | although the 'return 1 if not in an instance' is a bit misleading |
| 14:04.24 | Wobin | it should return 0 |
| 14:04.32 | Wobin | or -1 |
| 14:04.33 | Wobin | or something |
| 14:05.35 | Wobin | okay then. Instead of Width and Height, what are some choices of non orientation specific functionnames I could use? |
| 14:05.48 | Wobin | length and... |
| 14:06.49 | foxlit | breadth |
| 14:07.05 | Shirik | You know |
| 14:07.12 | Shirik | Trade chat never ceases to amaze me |
| 14:07.31 | foxlit | "Lion killer, chicken chaser, new Frenzyheart slave..." |
| 14:07.33 | Shirik | "When does Burning Crusade come out?" <spam of "Last year lol"> "Thanks, I need to get it" |
| 14:07.50 | foxlit | way to go, Blizzard. Now I actually want to get an xbox :( |
| 14:07.51 | Shirik | "<-- 5 years in prison" |
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| 14:10.46 | Wobin | foxlit: FAble 2? =) |
| 14:11.04 | foxlit | Indeed, chicken chaser! |
| 14:11.12 | Wobin | I quite liked the first, aside from the accent getting irritating after a while |
| 14:11.30 | Wobin | and everyone looking identical =P |
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| 14:13.24 | foxlit | it was shiny :) |
| 14:15.16 | Anaral | Is there anyway to have two instances of a JRE program (in this case JWoWUpdater), with two different configs? |
| 14:16.41 | Shirik | why not? |
| 14:17.01 | Shirik | unless the program has internal code to block it for some reason |
| 14:17.17 | cbreak | or the code only reads configs from one place |
| 14:17.21 | Adys | Shirik: thanks <3 |
| 14:17.27 | Shirik | ? |
| 14:17.30 | cbreak | although I guess you can re-symlink that place |
| 14:17.36 | Adys | [17:03:36] <@Shirik> http://www.wowwiki.com/API_IsInInstance |
| 14:17.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 14:17.40 | Shirik | np |
| 14:18.07 | Anaral | So do I need to have the program in two different locations? |
| 14:18.24 | Shirik | maybe, maybe not |
| 14:18.54 | Shirik | you can't make a generic statement like this; this is not something Java controls |
| 14:19.47 | foxlit | anyway, java is not your problem if you want to run multiple instances of something |
| 14:20.03 | Anaral | Makes sense. |
| 14:20.19 | foxlit | It won't in any way stop you, but the application may :) |
| 14:20.50 | Anaral | I just want to not have to remember to update which folder JWU is trying to update. |
| 14:22.49 | foxlit | an a wolvar going "Too soon, you have awakened me too soon!..." |
| 14:23.30 | Adys | haha foxlit |
| 14:23.31 | Adys | where? |
| 14:23.50 | foxlit | the basin. |
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| 14:27.48 | smcn | boo, they're overusing that. the naga in slave pens yell "too soon... you are slacking off too soon!" |
| 14:35.33 | cladhaire | okay |
| 14:35.42 | cladhaire | HoT timer for durids |
| 14:35.46 | cladhaire | suggestions?> |
| 14:35.55 | nevcairiel | HoTCandy, obviously |
| 14:36.55 | cladhaire | kk |
| 14:36.57 | cladhaire | :P |
| 14:37.51 | nevcairiel | So whats the best way to save a frames position with changing scale and possibly resolution in mind? |
| 14:39.07 | nevcairiel | I used to just save what :GetPoint() returned, but that didnt seem to work right with changing UI Scale |
| 14:41.49 | foxlit | Not bothering worked out pretty well for me, though I understand that there may be cases where you can't just let it work by default. |
| 14:43.23 | nevcairiel | then again one should probably expect to have to reorder his screen when he changes scale |
| 14:43.38 | foxlit | The default layout saving isn't actually that bad |
| 14:44.11 | nevcairiel | thats the same data i save |
| 14:44.19 | nevcairiel | I just dont want to rely on default saving |
| 14:44.30 | nevcairiel | because that gets nuked if someone starts without the addon just once |
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| 14:45.46 | foxlit | Wonder what the popular stars on wowi are based on |
| 14:45.56 | Shirik | ratings? |
| 14:46.09 | foxlit | ratings on wowi are a general failure |
| 14:47.05 | foxlit | But regardless, calling an addon popular based on ratings would be odd - what if no one downloaded it? :) |
| 14:47.10 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you know, somehow i though one of you guys would reject a addon name like this, just seen it in the "new addons" box http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10586-WrathoftheLichKingBeta.html |
| 14:47.57 | Shirik | wasn't me! |
| 14:48.01 | Matrix110 | for Popular only Downloads count |
| 14:48.12 | Matrix110 | the addon can be crap but if 100.000 people download it per week its popular |
| 14:48.54 | Shirik | that better, nevcairiel? :) |
| 14:49.03 | nevcairiel | ya |
| 14:49.12 | foxlit | gets to keep the awesome url, however |
| 14:49.19 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:49.22 | foxlit | or maybe not |
| 14:49.30 | Shirik | not really |
| 14:49.34 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10586-ItCanBeWhateverYouWantToCallIt.html , it seems |
| 14:49.37 | Shirik | actually, that name can be anything you want it to be |
| 14:49.37 | Shirik | yeah |
| 14:54.27 | Dark_Elf | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10586-nudeskins.html - that would get alot of downloads |
| 14:55.09 | foxlit | What is \b in perl regex? |
| 14:55.47 | foxlit | google wins |
| 14:56.14 | pb_ee1_ | nevcairiel: my fault, actually thought it would appear only on this page: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5423-Elephant.html#optional |
| 14:56.33 | pb_ee1_ | You (or someone else) fixed it at the same time than my edit :p |
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| 15:00.07 | cbreak | I wonder if blizz has published any statistics of how many WoW users use Windows, Mac OS or Linux/Wine |
| 15:01.15 | haste | most likely not |
| 15:01.25 | Adys | about 11 million use windows and theres 2-3 using linux and mac os |
| 15:01.54 | Wobin | I was one of those 3 =) |
| 15:02.00 | Adys | same |
| 15:02.08 | Wobin | man that means there's only one other |
| 15:02.11 | Adys | I wonder where the third is |
| 15:02.26 | cbreak | me |
| 15:02.34 | haste | lies |
| 15:02.38 | Adys | what a coincidence we're all three in this channel then |
| 15:02.44 | cbreak | well, as mac user |
| 15:02.50 | cbreak | I haven't tried it on linux yet :) |
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| 15:03.33 | Adys | No |
| 15:03.34 | Adys | you dont |
| 15:03.36 | Adys | we're full |
| 15:04.25 | Wobin | Sorry. come back later |
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| 15:05.34 | cladhaire | haste: we win, |
| 15:05.49 | haste | haha |
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| 15:05.57 | cladhaire | Wobin: you've been kicked out, and haste and myself have joined |
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| 15:06.07 | Wobin | oh okay |
| 15:06.08 | Adys | qq |
| 15:06.08 | cladhaire | Adys: you've been kicked out, and haste and myself have joined |
| 15:06.15 | Wobin | I stopped using it on linux ages ago anyway |
| 15:06.22 | cladhaire | lrn2beexclusiveonlywhenyouhaveops |
| 15:06.34 | Addybot | But I was still here ! |
| 15:06.52 | lua_bot | liar |
| 15:06.56 | lua_bot | i saw you leave |
| 15:06.57 | Addybot | hey :( |
| 15:07.17 | lua_bot | IRC IS SERIOUS BUSINESS |
| 15:07.23 | Adys | damnit |
| 15:08.57 | cbreak | > print("I run it on a pocket calculator") |
| 15:11.05 | cbreak | bit addon sites must have browser/os statistics |
| 15:11.19 | cbreak | while that is not entirely reliable due to various reasons, it should give a rough impression |
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| 15:18.31 | Cide | Shirik: ping |
| 15:18.35 | Shirik | Cide: ping |
| 15:18.39 | Shirik | do me a favor |
| 15:18.44 | Cide | hm? |
| 15:18.57 | Shirik | send an email to mpdelbuono@ieee.org and tell me if it bounces back to you? |
| 15:19.31 | Cide | Delivery Status Notification (Failure) |
| 15:19.32 | Shirik | also what did you want? :) |
| 15:19.39 | Shirik | Fisker-: I already get enough spam, I don't care anymore :P |
| 15:19.44 | Shirik | Cide: Thanks, I need to yell at someone >.> |
| 15:19.46 | Cide | Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 <mpdelbuono@ieee.org>... <mpdelbuono@ieee.org>... User unknown (state 14). |
| 15:19.55 | Cide | did you solve the grid problem? |
| 15:20.00 | Shirik | oh I haven't tried |
| 15:20.04 | Cide | weak |
| 15:20.07 | Cide | I even gave you an extra day! |
| 15:20.08 | Fisker- | >:3 Shirik |
| 15:20.15 | Fisker- | you'd wish you haven't said that now |
| 15:20.17 | Cide | here's another fun one |
| 15:20.19 | Cide | Find the last ten digits of the non-Mersenne prime: 28433 Ã 27830457 + 1. |
| 15:20.25 | Cide | oops |
| 15:20.27 | zenzelezz | Shirik was too busy bashing C coders to work on his problems |
| 15:20.27 | Shirik | BAHHHHHH |
| 15:20.30 | Shirik | If you just registered for an IEEE alias or just updated your IEEE alias information, it will not take affect until the IEEE alias service updates the alias information. Currently, the alias information is updated twice a day at 6:00am and 6:00pm (EST). |
| 15:20.31 | Cide | 28433 * 2^7830457 + 1 |
| 15:20.39 | Shirik | weak.... |
| 15:20.43 | Cide | haha |
| 15:20.52 | Cide | I tried to solve the one above |
| 15:20.59 | Cide | but for some reason I never got it right :/ |
| 15:21.09 | Shirik | go grab the bignum library |
| 15:21.14 | Cide | ab (mod c) = a (mod c) * b (mod c)? |
| 15:21.23 | Cide | python deals with big numbers just fine out of the box |
| 15:23.08 | foxlit | It's even weaker |
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| 15:23.24 | foxlit | Since you only need the last 10 digits, using bignums is overkill :) |
| 15:23.40 | Shirik | obviously |
| 15:23.51 | Shirik | but if you want to |
| 15:23.58 | Shirik | bignum means you don't have to do any additional work |
| 15:25.55 | Cide | anyway |
| 15:26.00 | Cide | remember the triangle problem? |
| 15:26.13 | Cide | find the route that gives you the maximum total sum.. |
| 15:27.18 | haste | euler :D ? |
| 15:27.44 | Cide | no.. |
| 15:27.52 | Cide | http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems&id=67 |
| 15:28.07 | haste | there's anothre version of that one later on |
| 15:28.13 | Cide | that's the difficult one |
| 15:28.17 | haste | oh wait |
| 15:28.19 | haste | noticed |
| 15:28.29 | Cide | Shirik: I solved it after a few hours.. turns out I had computed the MINIMUM total sum :/ |
| 15:28.54 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 15:29.40 | foxlit | Just generic DP? |
| 15:32.26 | cbreak | maybe a subtree algorithm |
| 15:33.15 | foxlit | function foldRow(triangle) local r = #triangle-1; for i=1,#triangle[r] do triangle[r][i] = max(triangle[r+1][i], triangle[r+1][i+1]) + triangle[r][i] end triangle[r+1] = nil; end |
| 15:33.37 | foxlit | while #triangle > 1 do foldRow(triangle); return triangle[1][1]; |
| 15:33.54 | cbreak | calculate the max path for each leaf, then for each triangle of three, and then continue with triangles of depth two, and so on |
| 15:34.12 | foxlit | s/ return/end return/ |
| 15:35.20 | Shirik | funny foxlit |
| 15:35.27 | Shirik | I think I had something like that :) |
| 15:35.33 | Shirik | Cide :) |
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| 15:43.43 | Shirik | Anyone here familiar with non-profit organizations? |
| 15:44.09 | Shirik | Is a tax form sufficient to prove non-profit status? |
| 15:44.56 | Cide | foxlit: yep, that's the way to do it |
| 15:45.16 | Shirik | Cide stole my idea :( |
| 15:45.23 | Cide | what idea? |
| 15:45.30 | Shirik | collapse the triangle! |
| 15:45.31 | Cide | I didn't solve it that way |
| 15:45.37 | Cide | your collapse sucked :P |
| 15:45.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:45.41 | Shirik | what you mean it sucked! |
| 15:45.46 | Shirik | It's exactly what foxlit said |
| 15:45.47 | Cide | you subdivided it |
| 15:45.54 | Shirik | nono, that was my second idea |
| 15:45.57 | Cide | ya well |
| 15:45.58 | Shirik | both should work |
| 15:46.04 | Cide | I overkilled it because I was interested in pathfinding |
| 15:46.16 | Cide | so I implemented A* and used that |
| 15:47.25 | Cide | anyway, the grid problem is a lot easier |
| 15:47.38 | Cide | http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems&id=15 |
| 15:49.56 | cncfanatics | this feels so wrong, I'm on linux, and one of my virtual desktops is running windows |
| 15:49.58 | Fisker- | little did you know Shirik |
| 15:50.05 | Fisker- | you've been working for me from the beginning |
| 15:50.11 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 15:50.14 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o Fisker-] by Shirik |
| 15:50.18 | Fisker- | :( |
| 15:50.27 | Fisker- | that's not nice |
| 15:50.44 | cncfanatics | what does that mode do ? :o |
| 15:50.50 | Fisker- | op? |
| 15:50.53 | Fisker- | n00b cncfanatics :( |
| 15:50.56 | cncfanatics | ah yea |
| 15:50.59 | cncfanatics | meh, me and irc |
| 15:51.27 | Shirik | oi I don't believe this |
| 15:51.31 | Shirik | filled out this entire application |
| 15:51.36 | Cide | oh, http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems&id=81 is nice |
| 15:51.37 | Shirik | and now I have to wait for my email address to work.... |
| 15:51.41 | Shirik | this is so stupid |
| 15:51.47 | Fisker- | i liek |
| 15:51.56 | Fisker- | i have to wait for this city to spawn |
| 15:52.20 | Shirik | Cide: I solved that for IEEE competition before |
| 15:52.36 | Cide | using what algorithm? |
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| 15:52.47 | Shirik | I think I have the code somewhere |
| 15:53.05 | Shirik | I mean it wasn't exactly the same |
| 15:53.08 | Shirik | but it was effectively the same |
| 15:53.15 | Shirik | Mine had a story behind it :P |
| 15:53.38 | Shirik | I used an object-oriented approach, Cide :D |
| 15:53.43 | Cide | nice |
| 15:54.12 | Shirik | I built the map in such a way that as it was built, each node learned of its fastest path to the exist |
| 15:54.14 | Shirik | exit* |
| 15:54.29 | Shirik | Then link them together |
| 15:55.26 | Shirik | It involved a little recursion and caching |
| 15:59.46 | foxlit | That matrix problem can be solved with the same style of folding as the triangle |
| 16:00.06 | foxlit | eliminate the last column/row until only one cell remains. |
| 16:02.22 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 16:04.52 | Shirik | 3:> |
| 16:07.03 | Fisker- | nope |
| 16:07.19 | haste | >:V |
| 16:08.16 | Duman | every time I read the word "haste", the Quake3 sound for when you pick up the haste buff pops into my head. |
| 16:08.24 | Duman | HASTE |
| 16:08.36 | Sixen | SPIDERWEB! |
| 16:08.43 | Duman | heh |
| 16:08.51 | foxlit | Spiderpig |
| 16:08.58 | Sixen | Ahahaha! |
| 16:08.58 | haste | :D |
| 16:08.59 | Sixen | Yes! |
| 16:09.10 | Sixen | Peter Porker! |
| 16:09.14 | Duman | LOL |
| 16:09.20 | Sixen | Was that clever or what? |
| 16:09.21 | Sixen | ;) |
| 16:10.15 | Fisker- | haste |
| 16:10.20 | Fisker- | i ha(s)te you |
| 16:11.21 | Fisker- | why so serious pb_ee1_? |
| 16:11.58 | Shirik | pb_ee1 needs to learn to name his addons :P |
| 16:12.03 | pb_ee1 | gna gna gna |
| 16:12.11 | pb_ee1 | It has been fixed :( |
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| 16:12.48 | Shirik | I know, I fixed it :) |
| 16:13.40 | pb_ee1 | Aha that's you Shirik! Actually... I fixed it something like 1s before you did |
| 16:13.46 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:13.48 | pb_ee1 | ^^ |
| 16:13.50 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:14.03 | Shirik | ag`: ping |
| 16:14.20 | ag` | Shirik: give me 15 mins |
| 16:14.25 | Shirik | sure thing, no rush |
| 16:16.58 | Cide | haha |
| 16:17.42 | Cide | my code for the 80x80 matrix accidently printed the data |
| 16:17.50 | Cide | which basically slowed down python to a crawl |
| 16:18.07 | Cide | despite it having already made the calculation to find the shortest path, it still took like 30 seconds to simply print the path it had calculated :/ |
| 16:19.34 | selckin | sounds like some bad code |
| 16:19.42 | Cide | the code is fine |
| 16:20.23 | Cide | python just slows down if you try to print an 80x80 two-dimensional list |
| 16:20.30 | Cide | it had already done the calculation |
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| 16:29.10 | foxlit | more solving things in lua! |
| 16:30.16 | zenzelezz | more soloing things in lua |
| 16:35.15 | |pez| | I need to create my own sample data pack for WordPress... *nods* |
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| 16:39.51 | Cide | >>> 1/4-9/40, 1/5-9/40 |
| 16:39.52 | Cide | Cide: 0.025, -0.025 |
| 16:42.02 | ag` | Shirik|AFK: what did you want? |
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| 16:45.43 | Anaral | Pardon me, can anyone help me figure this chat output code? I'm trying to have the first and last part of the sentence be a predefined color, and then the middle be a different color I call right there. But the last part doesn't want to revert back to my set color. http://www.pastey.net/94587 |
| 16:47.15 | cncfanatics | Anaral: u'll need to figure out the "default color" and color it accordingly |
| 16:47.34 | Anaral | Well i have it set in the first part of the code. |
| 16:47.53 | cncfanatics | u'll have to color the last part of the text again |
| 16:47.56 | zenzelezz | I think "default" (as seen by "|r") is white |
| 16:47.59 | Anaral | Ah |
| 16:48.16 | cncfanatics | indeed zenzelezz :) |
| 16:48.31 | Anaral | Well if I don't add the |r then the rest of the line is that middle color. |
| 16:48.58 | Neuro_Medivh | so, does anyone else find the quest in Borean Tundra where you have to torture the prisoner a bit distasteful? |
| 16:49.22 | smcn | i zapped that guy like 20 times after i got the information |
| 16:49.27 | Anaral | But all right. Was hoping there was a way without cluttering that line, oh well. |
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| 17:10.58 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 17:11.06 | cncfanatics | some guy got a lvl 60 with 5 mins played |
| 17:11.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I sometimes spend an hour in city trade/general answering questions |
| 17:11.08 | cncfanatics | RAF ftw |
| 17:11.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly in penance for my previous weeks worth of forum trolling |
| 17:12.18 | Neuro_Medivh | cnc: gifted levels>? |
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| 17:13.47 | ScytheBlade1 | No your riding crop doesn't work now. No you can't get to Dalaran until you're 74. Inscription is "in" but capped at 135. The DK mount scales. |
| 17:14.56 | cncfanatics | Neuro_Medivh: yep |
| 17:14.58 | cncfanatics | 60 gifted levels :p |
| 17:15.35 | cncfanatics | wld be pretty funny to do :p |
| 17:17.43 | Neuro_Medivh | Ah, I was thinking a DK in beta, cnc |
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| 17:18.28 | cbreak | DK Mount scales, what does that mean? |
| 17:21.22 | Fisker- | that you don't need a normal flying mount and an epic one |
| 17:21.28 | Fisker- | it simply goes as fast as your skill dictates |
| 17:21.42 | Neuro_Medivh | ya. The flying mount turns into an epic mount when you get the riding skill |
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| 17:21.59 | Neuro_Medivh | the ground mount doesn't need to scale, it starts as an epic ground mount |
| 17:22.22 | Fisker- | don't see why we have to pay 5 times as much for our mount >:E |
| 17:22.59 | Neuro_Medivh | that's not what you're paying for.. you're retroactively covering the cost of your 'free' epic ground mount |
| 17:23.10 | Fisker- | ah |
| 17:23.26 | Fisker- | but i haven't had levels 1-55 to earn money in |
| 17:23.48 | Neuro_Medivh | true, but you did have levels 55-70 to |
| 17:24.14 | Fisker- | money i need to use on my epic flying mount skill >:3 |
| 17:24.22 | Fisker- | and you can sell lowlevel shit for insane prices |
| 17:24.25 | Fisker- | (my point :D) |
| 17:24.30 | Neuro_Medivh | do you normally have 1k gold at lvl 55? |
| 17:24.46 | cbreak | my bank alt has more... :) |
| 17:24.57 | Neuro_Medivh | earned on his own? |
| 17:25.01 | Fisker- | my hunter had somewhere in that area |
| 17:25.10 | cbreak | or course not... |
| 17:25.13 | Fisker- | that was even pre-tbc |
| 17:25.19 | Neuro_Medivh | a brand new, no help given lvl 55 won't have 1k gold |
| 17:25.37 | cbreak | I had 1k gold when I leveled my first char at level 60 |
| 17:25.40 | cbreak | I think |
| 17:25.43 | Neuro_Medivh | I didn't |
| 17:25.45 | cbreak | so long ago... |
| 17:25.51 | Fisker- | if he uses the AH |
| 17:25.54 | Neuro_Medivh | so was I |
| 17:26.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I never got 1k gold till long after I was 60 |
| 17:26.10 | cbreak | I only used the AH to sell stuff |
| 17:26.22 | cbreak | bags sold for quite a lot back then I think |
| 17:27.42 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but the point is, you can't assume every lvl 55 would have earned 1k gold for their epic mount at 55... heck, DKs get the epic 5 levels earlier, and for free, than any other toon |
| 17:28.03 | Neuro_Medivh | besides, with a DK, you won't really need the flyer till 77 =) |
| 17:30.42 | Drundia | no one will really need flyer till 77 with wotlk |
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| 17:42.59 | foxlit | DKs will, actually :) |
| 17:43.18 | foxlit | All those evil profession grinds become twice as evil if you're on a ground mount :) |
| 17:43.37 | nevcairiel | You do profession grinds while not fully leveld up? |
| 17:44.04 | foxlit | Actually, if they made those reasonable, you would :) |
| 17:44.20 | foxlit | But yeah, you probably don't. You just end up hating yourself and everyone afterwards. |
| 17:45.26 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, I won't grind any profession till 80 |
| 17:46.05 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 17:46.12 | Fisker- | professions should start at 275 |
| 17:46.12 | Fisker- | srsly |
| 17:46.23 | Fisker- | also stupid that if you train any new weapon skills you have to start from 1 |
| 17:46.49 | Shirik | ag`: Sorry, ping |
| 17:47.58 | ag` | hi |
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| 18:01.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: .... iirc, there's only TWO weapon skills that DKs don't get pre-trained |
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| 18:14.20 | Lyn_ | afaik only maces are not pre-trained |
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| 18:19.15 | NightHawkTheSane | maces & 2h maces. |
| 18:23.54 | Anaral | I so wish I went on more ZG raids pre-bc. I'm half way through honored with them and there are two alc recipes I can't get without being revered and exalted. :/ |
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| 18:26.59 | kd3 | lmao; [Amusing] "Animal House'" prank causes real-world traffic snarl: 18-wheeler full of marbles dumped on Dallas-area highway. Flounder unavailable for comment |
| 18:27.41 | Fisker- | why so lmao_ |
| 18:27.41 | Fisker- | ? |
| 18:32.42 | Cairenn | kd3: link? |
| 18:33.37 | kd3 | http://www.nbc5i.com/traffic/17274288/detail.html?dl=headlineclick |
| 18:34.39 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:35.43 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 18:36.19 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, that's a couple of miles from my house |
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| 18:47.23 | Gnarfoz | does aftercast currently work? |
| 18:48.05 | Gnarfoz | anyone know if AfterCast currently works? I want to start a local timerbar after I cast Distract (which is a AE targetting cursor style spell) |
| 18:48.45 | Lyn_ | NightHawkTheSane, as i said, maces in general ;))) |
| 18:52.55 | Gnarfoz | or can I do the same with a macro :X |
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| 19:10.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: you could do the same with a macro, but it probably would start the timer even on failure |
| 19:11.02 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: I don't care about resist |
| 19:11.06 | Gnarfoz | I can announce that in TS quickly |
| 19:11.17 | NightHawkTheSane | well |
| 19:11.18 | Gnarfoz | the problem is that it's a AoE targetting cursor spell |
| 19:11.34 | Gnarfoz | how do I hook the actual spellcast in that case in the confines of a macro? |
| 19:11.41 | NightHawkTheSane | you can't :P |
| 19:11.42 | Gnarfoz | (mind you, I have basically no space left, to begin with ;D) |
| 19:11.49 | Gnarfoz | see? I'll try AfterCast *g* |
| 19:12.14 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
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| 19:32.24 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wackyarchives.com/offbeat/surfer-cat-is-amused.html |
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| 19:33.23 | NightHawkTheSane | thats actually really cute. |
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| 19:39.49 | p3lim|afk | Is there some site that contains all the Interface Art? |
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| 19:40.56 | Thunder_Child | ~framexml |
| 19:40.57 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 19:41.04 | Thunder_Child | does that extract it? |
| 19:41.07 | Thunder_Child | doesnt* |
| 19:41.22 | Neuro_Medivh | yes it does |
| 19:42.06 | Neuro_Medivh | does this mean there's a Cairenn2? |
| 19:42.14 | Cairenn | no :p |
| 19:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | The clones! o_o |
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| 19:44.33 | Leptus | rupture_tourney, any one know this addon? where does its author publish it? |
| 19:45.03 | Neuro_Medivh | what's an addon? |
| 19:45.11 | Dewin | How do you increase the amount of memory available for addons? Or can you not do it anymore? |
| 19:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: you cannot, it's dynamic |
| 19:45.23 | foxlit | there's no point anymore |
| 19:45.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: there "is no limit" |
| 19:45.28 | ccox|sleep | Cairenn clones -- imagine the possibilities... |
| 19:45.58 | foxlit | Hm |
| 19:46.10 | Dewin | hmm |
| 19:46.13 | Neuro_Medivh | ccox: you know one of them would turn out to be the 'evil' clone |
| 19:46.17 | Dewin | any suggestions on how to reduce gc-induced lag then? |
| 19:46.30 | Neuro_Medivh | though, how you would tell it apart from the real Cairenn, I have no idea |
| 19:46.40 | ccox|sleep | Neuro - the problem would be telling WHICH one is (more) evil |
| 19:46.42 | nevcairiel | Dewin: produce less garbage? :) |
| 19:46.43 | foxlit | don't thrash tables like crazy, and you really shouldn't notice any gc-induced lag |
| 19:46.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: it's incremental GC, so you shouldn't really hit any... and it also doesn't happen in combat |
| 19:46.51 | foxlit | The difference between BC and WotLK paths in my addon is a number of local functions and variables |
| 19:47.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, assuming you/the addon(s) in question have a clue in their head, of course |
| 19:47.23 | nevcairiel | If the garbage is too high, it'll collect in combat too |
| 19:47.26 | foxlit | At the moment, I'm thinking of producing two files - each with a if (version isn't what I'm for) then return; end header, and just having those execute on both clients |
| 19:47.31 | Dewin | that's my problem |
| 19:47.36 | Dewin | I only notice it in 25-mans |
| 19:47.41 | Dewin | but that's when I really need to not be lagging |
| 19:47.44 | nevcairiel | figure out which addon does it |
| 19:47.46 | nevcairiel | and replace it |
| 19:47.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Are you sure that's GC, and not just some addon doing stupid things with COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED? |
| 19:48.03 | sioraiocht | okay, Dewin, Wyt ti'n siarad Cymraeg? |
| 19:48.19 | Dewin | No, I only know that Dewin is loosely welsh for wizard. |
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| 19:48.25 | sioraiocht | haha, yes it is |
| 19:48.33 | sioraiocht | it was my mage's name |
| 19:48.36 | foxlit | The files are mostly unchanged, however - there's stuff that provides constant external API that's majorly the same, so perhaps combining both branches into one file could be beneficial |
| 19:49.08 | sioraiocht | Dewin: are you welsh? |
| 19:49.14 | foxlit | Problem is, I can't think of a way that'd work properly - declaring locals inside if blocks will make them local to the ifs :( |
| 19:49.49 | Neuro_Medivh | good lord, Sior... that's like asking someone if they're a psychopath, or a canadian or something |
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| 19:49.54 | nevcairiel | foxlit: upvalue them and fill them inside the if? |
| 19:50.02 | Dewin | sior: No. |
| 19:50.19 | Dewin | There's a very long story behind the name |
| 19:50.22 | sioraiocht | Neuro_Medivh: not when you live in Great Britain =p |
| 19:50.30 | Neuro_Medivh | especially if you live there! |
| 19:50.46 | sioraiocht | Neuro_Medivh: you know, I could BE welsh =p |
| 19:50.54 | Neuro_Medivh | I mean, you say, "Hi, are you welsh?" And they're either offended (if they're not) or embarrased (if they are) |
| 19:51.03 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:51.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes, but I was polite enough not to ask! |
| 19:51.06 | foxlit | nevcairiel: that's probably the trick :) |
| 19:51.22 | Neuro_Medivh | I mean, Adam Davies is Welsh, that's not a big endorsement |
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| 19:52.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: your MOM is welsh. |
| 19:52.23 | Neuro_Medivh | YOU TAKE THAT BACK! |
| 19:52.32 | foxlit | Is it pester-Iriel time now? :) |
| 19:52.33 | Neuro_Medivh | My mom is a classy lady! |
| 19:53.04 | Neuro_Medivh | Welsh are like the Canadians of Great Britain |
| 19:53.13 | Iriel | hm? |
| 19:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart foxlit |
| 19:53.23 | purl | eats foxlit and falls over dead |
| 19:53.25 | Neuro_Medivh | ouch, I scared sior off, didn't mean to |
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| 19:53.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ha. Short, simple, effective. I like it |
| 19:53.59 | sioraiocht | Neuro_Medivh: So is Christian Bale, though |
| 19:54.03 | sioraiocht | and that's a good enough endorsement for me =p |
| 19:54.09 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 19:54.10 | foxlit | Iriel: there's a... typo in the latest SecureHandlers code. http://www.pastey.net/94576 |
| 19:54.32 | sioraiocht | Neuro_Medivh: and so is Matthew Rhys |
| 19:54.34 | Iriel | foxlit: there is, but it's not what you think it is |
| 19:54.42 | Iriel | foxlit: the typo is that "string" should be "function" |
| 19:54.45 | Neuro_Medivh | my gf likes Ioan Griffith, he's welsh too |
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| 19:54.53 | Neuro_Medivh | or however you spell his name |
| 19:54.53 | foxlit | That's what I think it is :) |
| 19:54.54 | Iriel | and that's fixed in the patches I submitted |
| 19:55.11 | foxlit | Awesome! |
| 19:55.11 | Iriel | foxlit: ah, i read the first 1/2 of the sentence, whic hsays the other 8-) |
| 19:55.23 | Iriel | foxlit: anyway, yeah, that was the first bug found in the new code after it went out 8-( |
| 19:55.44 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 19:55.44 | Iriel | there are 7 bug fixes that should come out next week or so I hope |
| 19:56.17 | Gnarfoz | [2008/08/24 21:53:29-3478-x1]: <event>ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'AfterCast' tried to call the protected function 'UNKNOWN()'. |
| 19:56.29 | Iriel | poor aftercast |
| 19:56.33 | Gnarfoz | AfterCast is not possible for spells anymore, right :X |
| 19:56.58 | sioraiocht | Neuro_Medivh: Ioan Gruffudd |
| 19:57.28 | Iriel | Gnarfoz: it never was |
| 19:57.35 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 19:57.39 | Gnarfoz | not aftercasting spells |
| 19:57.40 | Gnarfoz | but |
| 19:57.44 | Iriel | oh |
| 19:57.44 | Gnarfoz | doing stuff after a cast. :) |
| 19:58.04 | Iriel | It sometikmes works (in 2.4, no idea about 3.0, it's at the end of my list there) |
| 19:58.15 | Iriel | It depends on what class you are, and what spell it is, and what happens |
| 19:58.27 | Gnarfoz | (that there was 1 macro with /aftercast /click BT3Button27 /cast Distract) and the other button just contained a macro /say test) |
| 19:58.55 | Gnarfoz | it gives me the AoE targetting cursor for distract and then the error when I actually cast distract my using the targetting cursor |
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| 20:01.19 | Iriel | Gnarfoz: I wish there was a simple fix to make it cool again, but aftercast is 'spell event challenged' |
| 20:01.28 | Gnarfoz | yeah :< |
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| 20:01.48 | Gnarfoz | basically what I want is to listen for the proper spell event and then do what I want, right? |
| 20:02.13 | Gnarfoz | (I have no trouble doing it as an addon, which is probably necessary because of space constraints in macros) |
| 20:02.48 | Iriel | Essentially |
| 20:03.04 | Iriel | if you have a specific need it's probably not too difficult |
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| 20:05.59 | Gnarfoz | yeah, pretty specific, actually =) |
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| 20:19.43 | ccox|sleep | oh, good - pomaces are no longer marked as conjured, and can be sold and auctioned! |
| 20:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | neat |
| 20:20.29 | NightHawkTheSane | also, I hate fuel for the fire |
| 20:22.25 | foxlit | So what's a pomace? |
| 20:23.21 | Neuro_Medivh | made via inscription |
| 20:24.11 | foxlit | Perhaps more importantly, what does it do, and why would I want one? :) |
| 20:24.50 | ccox|sleep | pomace's are materials for inscription, made from milling herbs |
| 20:25.08 | ccox | kind of like gems come from prospecting ores |
| 20:25.13 | erikd | you guys should check this out: http://mysqlgame.appspot.com/ |
| 20:25.16 | erikd | it's actually kinda fun |
| 20:25.47 | ccox | I'm adding valuation tables to enchantrix, and it's fun when the skill isn't !$%@#$% complete yet |
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| 20:26.58 | ccox | erikd - funny |
| 20:27.28 | ccox | erikd - sounds like something mySQL QA would do though :-) |
| 20:27.53 | Jagannath | Anyone use WoWAceUpdater? |
| 20:28.00 | erikd | it really is a lot of fun, unless you keep getting attacked by some asshole that's only 20 rows from you and you can't actually accomplish anything >< |
| 20:28.05 | NightHawkTheSane | erikd: that's cutee |
| 20:28.30 | NightHawkTheSane | (except with only one e. I mean, its cute, its just not THAT cutee. :p ) |
| 20:28.37 | erikd | LAWEFMNLASJDFLASFD |
| 20:28.43 | Jagannath | :o |
| 20:28.43 | erikd | THAT ASSHOLE JUST WIPED ME OUT AGAIN |
| 20:28.45 | Neuro_Medivh | Jagannath, you should check the wowace channel |
| 20:29.06 | Jagannath | Oh no kidding didn't know there was one lol. |
| 20:29.39 | NightHawkTheSane | there's actually a wowaceupdater channel, too. |
| 20:29.43 | Tem | nothing to see here |
| 20:29.44 | Jagannath | ! |
| 20:29.45 | NightHawkTheSane | or was, last time i gave a shit. |
| 20:29.58 | Gnarfoz | I still don't get how to use ... :X |
| 20:30.13 | Tem | wtb Character List |
| 20:30.33 | ScytheBlade1 | erikd: it's really stupidly hard to get off the ground when all people do is steal your money. |
| 20:30.45 | ScytheBlade1 | And fuel. |
| 20:30.46 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 20:30.48 | erikd | yeah =/ |
| 20:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 20:31.00 | erikd | there's this tsarin guy that keeps taking everything of mine |
| 20:31.05 | ScytheBlade1 | UPDATE rows SET attackers=attackers-0, defenders=defenders-0, money=money-100, fuel=fuel-20 |
| 20:31.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Like, thanks? |
| 20:31.14 | NightHawkTheSane | why does littlesnitch keep telling me wow's trying to connect to 2.0.0.0? >.> |
| 20:31.19 | erikd | UPDATE rows SET attackers=attackers-4, defenders=defenders-2, money=money-79, fuel=fuel-38 |
| 20:31.23 | erikd | >< |
| 20:31.29 | erikd | i've been getting that for the last 30 minutes |
| 20:31.53 | foxlit | '); DROP TABLE rows; |
| 20:31.54 | erikd | i found a perfect row to attack myself, too |
| 20:32.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:32.13 | erikd | i just can't get enough attackers and fuel to do anything |
| 20:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I made an account yesterday |
| 20:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Clicking on the "personal" log... well |
| 20:32.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Pages of people just sapping my money :( |
| 20:32.59 | erikd | do you still get resources when you're logged off? |
| 20:33.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently |
| 20:33.33 | erikd | i'm gonna sit here on this page all week until i annihilate this guy that's attacking me |
| 20:33.39 | erikd | soon as he logs off, BAM |
| 20:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 20:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ... this guy RIGHT ABOVE ME |
| 20:34.27 | ScytheBlade1 | 7934 money, 14093 fuel, 643 attackers, 5.0 attack multiplier |
| 20:34.29 | ScytheBlade1 | IMBA MUCH? |
| 20:34.39 | erikd | of course he hit me like a minute or two after i logged in for the first time and i... uh... transferred some money to him because i thought it was how you attacked |
| 20:34.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:34.51 | Gnarfoz | which UNIT_SPELLCAST_ event fires reliably on instants? |
| 20:35.34 | erikd | In order for an ATTACK to be run, either the defense_multiplier or attack_multiplier value of the defending row must be no more than 3 below the attack_multiplier value of the attacking row. |
| 20:35.40 | erikd | from the help thing |
| 20:36.09 | erikd | wow, i have 44 money and 92 fuel and the guy hasn't hit me yet |
| 20:36.19 | erikd | 4 more defenders! |
| 20:36.36 | erikd | i found a guy that had 700 defenders and 0 attackers |
| 20:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | This is _really_ pointless considering how imba and "stateless" the game is |
| 20:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | On the flip side |
| 20:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't believe I'm enough of a geek to play this game |
| 20:38.34 | ccox | we can |
| 20:39.25 | erikd | hrm, i'm still the only person in my block |
| 20:39.34 | erikd | wtb cheap people to attack |
| 20:42.38 | Jagannath | WTS |
| 20:42.40 | Jagannath | Lol. |
| 20:43.30 | ccox | "siouxie the banshee" in acherus -- I just love blizzard |
| 20:43.42 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 20:43.46 | ccox | s/siouxie/siouxsie/ |
| 20:43.50 | foxlit | sounded familiar |
| 20:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a very very similarly named NPC in Dire Maul |
| 20:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | With two Banshees behind her |
| 20:44.27 | ccox | although she should have BLACK hair |
| 20:44.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: yeah, thwa s nice. :) |
| 20:44.39 | NightHawkTheSane | .. "that was" bah |
| 20:44.59 | ccox | Scythe - hmm, I never made it into dire maul |
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| 20:50.36 | Guest37360 | oh I hate you so much |
| 20:50.47 | Guest37360 | ..... wtf? |
| 20:51.15 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:51.40 | Esine | Guest37360 wtf |
| 20:51.45 | Esine | are you using some java irc or what |
| 20:51.57 | Shirik | no, that's what happens because my client is being stupid and forgetting to identify |
| 20:52.01 | erikd | getting close to 500 for my attack multiplier, taking bets on whether or not i get wiped out before i can do it |
| 20:52.10 | Shirik | and when I don't identify, freenode kicks me off my nick |
| 20:52.28 | erikd | AND THERE'S THE ATTACK |
| 20:52.29 | Esine | oo |
| 20:52.31 | Shirik | and then I did "/ns release Shirik" because it locks you down |
| 20:52.34 | erikd | *sigh* |
| 20:52.41 | Shirik | except it wasn't Shirik, it was Shirik|AFK |
| 20:52.46 | Shirik | so now my desktop is Guest26368 with +o.... |
| 20:53.40 | Shirik | it was something of an epic failure |
| 20:54.31 | Esine | epi |
| 20:54.31 | Esine | c |
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| 20:56.49 | nevcairiel | Shirik: just set the server password to your account password |
| 20:57.03 | nevcairiel | and when it connects with the real nick, it'll use that pw to auth |
| 20:58.11 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I know, but for some reason my client has been neglectiing to use that lately |
| 20:58.15 | Shirik | I'm not sure why |
| 20:58.17 | Shirik | my desktop does it fine |
| 20:59.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh, seriously, fuck fuel for the fire. |
| 20:59.30 | Shirik | huh? |
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| 21:01.47 | Shirik | wow, I jacked something up in crucible |
| 21:01.50 | Shirik | Nom-: ping? |
| 21:03.20 | Drundia | all ops should change their nicks to guests |
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| 21:04.02 | Shirik | but then we'll never know who Cairenn is |
| 21:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: she has clones |
| 21:04.59 | Tem | NightHawkTheSane, what were you referring to with the "fuel to the fire" comment? |
| 21:05.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: quest in Zul'Drak |
| 21:05.17 | NightHawkTheSane | it's extremely obnoxious. |
| 21:05.24 | Tem | ah |
| 21:05.29 | Tem | I haven't been there yet |
| 21:05.37 | Tem | I got sick of leveling on my BC toons |
| 21:05.45 | Tem | my DK is just about done in the tundra, though |
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| 21:06.20 | Shirik | ok first test of 2009 robot now. Any bets on whether or not it blows up? |
| 21:07.39 | ccox | 5c says it blows up |
| 21:07.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 21:08.00 | Tem | Shirik, 1000 beta gold says it burns |
| 21:08.32 | Seerah | hehe |
| 21:09.18 | Shirik | umm... wtf? |
| 21:09.26 | erikd | it blew up! |
| 21:09.29 | Shirik | no |
| 21:09.32 | Shirik | All I did was "svn up" |
| 21:09.40 | Shirik | and I think something really bad happened |
| 21:09.48 | Shirik | but I'm not sure what |
| 21:10.32 | Shirik | I had this folder "base" and now I have a bunch of "base_groot121536187133" files, etc. |
| 21:10.46 | Tem | that's different |
| 21:10.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 17:09 < erikd> it blew up! |
| 21:11.12 | Shirik | is it possible for a folder to be in conflict? |
| 21:11.14 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 21:12.10 | Shirik | oh nice, and everything says "?" under svn status |
| 21:12.12 | Shirik | I think I broke it :P |
| 21:12.13 | Corrodias | groot. i like that word. |
| 21:12.26 | Corrodias | congrats, Shirik, you have broken the internet |
| 21:12.34 | Corrodias | destroyed the svn, clogged the tubes, etc |
| 21:12.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i bet shirik broke the world server too |
| 21:13.17 | Shirik | probably |
| 21:13.22 | Shirik | my robot actually ate the server |
| 21:13.24 | Seerah | lol |
| 21:13.41 | Shirik | well there's an easy solution to this! |
| 21:13.47 | Shirik | rm -rf ./* |
| 21:13.48 | Shirik | whee |
| 21:14.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: ping |
| 21:14.41 | Tekkub | wut more werk? |
| 21:14.57 | NightHawkTheSane | kennel seems to bork up on quests that give you a 'vanity pet' quest mob. |
| 21:15.15 | Antiarc | Every time I try to post on the beta forums I get a login error :( |
| 21:15.26 | NightHawkTheSane | and by bork up, i mean, it keeps trying to re-summon a vanity pet, despawning the quest pet |
| 21:15.27 | Tekkub | never hit one of those quests, example? |
| 21:15.37 | Corrodias | i have had only one bad experience with rm, wherein i tried to type something like "rm *.*~" and ended up instead with "rm *>*~" and *poof* went hours of CS class work |
| 21:15.59 | NightHawkTheSane | in Zul'drak, there's a quest "Disclosure", you click on a coffin to summon a skeleton |
| 21:16.04 | NightHawkTheSane | "Malmortis" |
| 21:16.15 | Shirik | Corrodias: I once, as root, did "rm -rf somedir /" instead of "rm -rf somedir/" |
| 21:16.18 | NightHawkTheSane | he must behave like a vanity pet |
| 21:16.20 | Shirik | that did not go so well |
| 21:16.35 | NightHawkTheSane | because he despawned my existing one, and kennel kept summoning one, despawning him |
| 21:16.41 | Shirik | that was also the last time I spent a lot of time in root |
| 21:16.55 | Corrodias | Shirik: i take it it considers "somedir" and "/" to both be things to delete from? |
| 21:17.04 | Shirik | yup |
| 21:17.07 | Corrodias | oops. |
| 21:17.18 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:17.20 | Shirik | robot just restarted |
| 21:17.21 | Shirik | that's not good |
| 21:17.30 | Shirik | lol current limit on power supply..... who set that.... |
| 21:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 17:09 < erikd> it blew up! |
| 21:18.23 | Shirik | no it did not! |
| 21:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: im not sure, but based on the behavior of this quest, i wonder of the tour of shatt quest npc behaves the same.. |
| 21:18.25 | Shirik | it restarted |
| 21:18.27 | Shirik | big difference |
| 21:19.25 | Corrodias | restarting is much worse |
| 21:19.39 | Cairenn | email: "Subject: Site Help |
| 21:19.39 | Cairenn | wut is an addon lol it says i need to do that wrath of the lich king beta thing plz reply" |
| 21:19.45 | Shirik | haha |
| 21:19.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:19.56 | Corrodias | wut |
| 21:20.20 | Shirik | ok I think I need to go grab my multimeter |
| 21:20.23 | Shirik | I shall return! |
| 21:20.25 | ScytheBlade1 | 17:09 < erikd> it blew up! |
| 21:20.29 | Shirik|AFK | negative! |
| 21:20.41 | Shirik|AFK | it merely did not succeed in performing its action |
| 21:20.45 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, tour shatt is an excort as far as I know |
| 21:20.47 | Shirik|AFK | >.> And its action was opening up the IDE |
| 21:20.51 | Cairenn | answer: "If you don't know what an addon is, you are obviously on completely the wrong site." |
| 21:20.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ........... |
| 21:20.53 | ScytheBlade1 | 17:09 < erikd> it blew up! |
| 21:21.03 | Corrodias | NightHawkTheSane: i believe the tour guide is a "guardian" |
| 21:21.12 | Tekkub | if you let the guy get too far away you fail |
| 21:21.31 | Corrodias | Cairenn: what are the chances that he's an addon author but doesn't know what addons are? :D |
| 21:21.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub, Corrodias: yeah, i wasn't sure. This quest behaves the same, in that the mob has a pre-set path he follows, but he clearly takes up the vanity pet 'spot' |
| 21:22.06 | Cairenn | Corrodias: you obviously missed the answer I sent to him |
| 21:22.09 | Tekkub | he does? |
| 21:23.53 | Corrodias | no, i was just joking |
| 21:23.55 | NightHawkTheSane | well, as I said, spawning him caused my minipet to despawn |
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| 21:24.08 | NightHawkTheSane | and vise versa |
| 21:24.21 | Tekkub | hum, okey |
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| 21:24.46 | Cairenn | ah |
| 21:24.47 | Tekkub | guess I'll need to add a quest blacklist |
| 21:24.47 | NightHawkTheSane | im not sure if there's a way to fix it, just figured i'd let you know |
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| 21:25.24 | Corrodias | not spawning it, maybe |
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| 21:28.34 | ScytheBlade1 | heh... keyloggers |
| 21:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Namely... the thread title |
| 21:28.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a new one |
| 21:33.55 | Seerah | I've seen similar |
| 21:34.04 | Seerah | don't remember if it was the same title |
| 21:34.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Most of them are "want to find girlfriend" |
| 21:34.29 | Seerah | oh yeah |
| 21:34.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never seen one that... 'pronounced' before |
| 21:35.34 | Shirik | I still am confused about why they like to make love with their girlfriends' pictures |
| 21:35.41 | Shirik | like, if you have a girlfriend, make love with her instead? |
| 21:36.00 | Cairenn | that one has been around before |
| 21:36.50 | Cairenn | want to find boyfriend, want to find girlfriend, teacher's sex leg & making love with girlfriend's picture |
| 21:38.34 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, you'rs smoking shit |
| 21:38.40 | schnoggo | wow - in case you were wondereing... Google apparently scans the official forums constantly... already indexed that thread :) |
| 21:38.46 | Tekkub | I just started the escort and I still have my cat |
| 21:38.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: .. i'm talking about the quest in Zul'drak.. |
| 21:39.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i -thought- the escort in shatt may behave the same, but wasn't sure |
| 21:39.21 | Tekkub | oh, well I thought you were bitching about the shatt tour |
| 21:39.29 | Tekkub | what's the quest name? |
| 21:39.40 | NightHawkTheSane | "Disclosure" |
| 21:40.17 | Corrodias | i'll disclose your ass |
| 21:40.21 | Shirik | Cairenn, you seem to know this very well |
| 21:40.34 | Cairenn | I've reported a bazillion of them :p |
| 21:40.47 | Shirik | :P |
| 21:41.13 | Corrodias | and yet, much of what's on the official forums is less intelligent than the keylogger spam |
| 21:41.37 | Tekkub | NightHawkTheSane, open a bug on gcode for me, it'll be some time before I get to that quest and can test |
| 21:41.47 | NightHawkTheSane | link? |
| 21:42.03 | Tekkub | http://code.google.com/p/tekkub-wow/issues/list |
| 21:42.15 | Cairenn | Corrodias: indeed, and how pathetic is that? |
| 21:44.03 | Corrodias | after being used to heavily-moderated forums, i came to wow's and was just amazed at the content |
| 21:44.49 | Cairenn | I go crazy moderating our sites, you couldn't pay me enough to be a CM on the blizz forums |
| 21:45.15 | Shirik | haha |
| 21:45.42 | Tekkub | invite-only forums :) |
| 21:46.04 | Cairenn | mind you, they'd probably fire me anyway, I'm much too strict and I don't pull any punches if you've pissed me off by breaking my rules |
| 21:46.22 | Shirik | Cairenn is hardcore |
| 21:46.26 | Tekkub | anyone smart enough to follow the instructions will get an invite, but they also know that if they do anything wrong, they're gone |
| 21:46.48 | Cairenn | Tekkub: aka *Interface.com |
| 21:46.50 | Shirik | Tekkub: Admissions test |
| 21:47.02 | Drundia | Cairenn is strictly better than any blizzard moderator |
| 21:47.06 | Shirik | "Please write a one paragraph essay about what you did last summer" |
| 21:47.17 | Shirik | grep for "lul" "wut" etc |
| 21:47.22 | Tekkub | Cairenn, no, trick is to keep the idiots from getting in in the first place by testing that they have a brain |
| 21:47.23 | Cairenn | god yes |
| 21:47.39 | Cairenn | (to shirik's grep) |
| 21:47.43 | Drundia | unfortunately they often fakr brain tests |
| 21:47.49 | Shirik | Drundia fails |
| 21:47.52 | Drundia | fake |
| 21:47.57 | Drundia | yes i do :( |
| 21:47.59 | Shirik | :D |
| 21:48.11 | Cairenn | typos are one thing, I'm forgiving of those |
| 21:48.12 | Tekkub | nothing challenging... just like that "read the instructions first" assignment you're given in 7th grade where there's a big 20-item list of things to do, and the instructions tell you to skip to #20 |
| 21:48.32 | Corrodias | hey, i say lul sometimes |
| 21:48.38 | Tekkub | and #20 is "write your name at the top of the page, you are now done |
| 21:48.42 | Corrodias | mostly sarcastically |
| 21:49.09 | Shirik | Tekkub: I love those tests :D |
| 21:49.28 | Corrodias | that sounds cool. i never had one of those. that i know of. |
| 21:49.43 | Cairenn | and I don't mind some abbreviations or acronyms .... but there's a difference between those and the non-English that is spewed on the blizz forums |
| 21:50.31 | Corrodias | also ban: anyone who starts a "what is the best class/spec/pet?" |
| 21:50.37 | Cairenn | heh, yeah |
| 21:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I wouldn't have any problems being a forum *moderator* there |
| 21:50.44 | ScytheBlade1 | BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN |
| 21:50.48 | ScytheBlade1 | "WHEEEEEEEEE" |
| 21:50.49 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 21:51.14 | Shirik | wtf, my laptop has no serial ports on it |
| 21:51.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd probably wind up with 1/3 of the forum goers banned but oh well! |
| 21:51.19 | Shirik | so I add this usb-serial converter |
| 21:51.26 | Shirik | I'm looking all over for the port number.... finally I found it |
| 21:51.28 | Drundia | "lulwut last summer i did played wow liek what else are i can do? can has done brain check plz now?" |
| 21:51.29 | Shirik | It assigned COM14 |
| 21:51.33 | Shirik | how the hell did it come up with that number |
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| 21:51.37 | Corrodias | 14, woot |
| 21:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: rand() |
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| 21:52.12 | smcn | in PlayerFrame.lua: function PlayerFrame_SetupDeathKnniggetLayout () |
| 21:52.13 | smcn | lawl! |
| 21:53.43 | Cairenn | hehehhe |
| 21:54.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap they actually have |
| 21:54.52 | Cairenn | yeah, they actually have |
| 21:55.07 | Cairenn | it's hilarious |
| 21:55.11 | Drundia | soz me new blizz programmer only come from china has last week |
| 21:55.41 | ScytheBlade1 | -- Mmmm, runic Power Bars, my favorite kind. Tastes like Death Knnigget. |
| 21:55.54 | Iriel | Cairenn: Damn, that means I owe someone at blizzard a drink 8-) |
| 21:56.04 | Cairenn | Iriel: hehehe |
| 21:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | CustomClassLayouts = { ["DEATHKNIGHT"] = PlayerFrame_SetupDeathKnniggetLayout, |
| 21:56.25 | Cairenn | Iriel: which bet was that one? I know I'm getting a bunch of free drinks |
| 21:57.11 | Drundia | well yes, when they define function as PlayerFrame_SetupDeathKnniggetLayout they have to reference it in code like that too |
| 21:58.06 | smcn | lol |
| 22:05.56 | Shirik | death Knnigget? |
| 22:05.57 | Shirik | awesome |
| 22:06.16 | erikd | it's like something out of monty python |
| 22:07.45 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 22:08.57 | Shirik | Cairenn: ping |
| 22:09.03 | Cairenn | Shirik: pong |
| 22:09.37 | Syzgyn | Hey Iriel |
| 22:09.44 | bleeter | 6hahaha knnigget |
| 22:10.01 | bleeter | best bit of wrath so far, that is |
| 22:10.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pong |
| 22:10.41 | Cairenn | I thought you guys had all already seen that - you really hadn't noticed? |
| 22:11.01 | bleeter | ug, I wish there was some frame on login that'd tell folks which quests where known as broken... I'm too lazy to macro up /1 'It goes to 11 is broken' |
| 22:11.02 | kd3 | it took a lot for me to not laugh about it during F&F |
| 22:11.24 | bleeter | Cairenn: pfft, the day I start being observant, is the day you will know I've been hacked |
| 22:11.26 | Cairenn | kd3: heh, tell me about it |
| 22:11.31 | Cairenn | bleeter: rofl |
| 22:11.32 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: that's why I have the two following macros: "/1 It's a bug." and "/2 It's a bug." |
| 22:11.37 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: they get used OFTEN. |
| 22:11.58 | Drundia | shouldn't they be auto-spammed every minute? |
| 22:12.18 | bleeter | I spose if it showed some report on login, people would just ignore it anyways |
| 22:12.32 | bleeter | or forget when they get to the related step in a chain |
| 22:12.36 | bleeter | 'coz ppl are fail |
| 22:12.43 | Corrodias | it would be spammed off my chat window by all my addon startup messages |
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| 22:13.05 | bleeter | was thinking something modal attached to displaying the quest frame |
| 22:13.12 | Corrodias | because some addon authors apparently think you REALLY NEED TO KNOW that their thing loaded, right away |
| 22:13.16 | kd3 | 41.662% done with the furball genocide quest |
| 22:14.15 | kd3 | it's times like this that I almost wish my morals were loose enough to let me use glider |
| 22:14.48 | foxlit | which quest is that? |
| 22:14.59 | ScytheBlade1 | "Furbolgs to Exalted" |
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| 22:15.02 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:15.07 | foxlit | achievement, then? |
| 22:15.23 | Drundia | each addon should list all addons loaded. |
| 22:15.32 | kd3 | yup. it'll also be exalted faction #21 |
| 22:15.35 | Drundia | then you get a spam of (number of addons)^2 messages |
| 22:15.46 | Syzgyn | I cant imagine being bored enough to grind furblog rep |
| 22:16.11 | kd3 | I can. it also serves triple-duty for gnomes/exodar and wintersaber if I'm over in winterspring |
| 22:17.00 | Syzgyn | The wintersaber stuff at least breaks up the monotony |
| 22:22.55 | Syzgyn | Iriel: ping |
| 22:23.34 | Shirik | Is there any tool in UNIX-based systems that allows you to quickly assemble and run assembler instructions (like Windows's "debug" utility)? |
| 22:23.43 | Shirik | probably not |
| 22:26.00 | cbreak | there are assemblers I think. gcc can compile asm |
| 22:26.17 | Shirik | yeah but I really meant something I could use quickly |
| 22:26.21 | Shirik | not have to open a file, then compile, etc. |
| 22:26.22 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 22:26.29 | Fisker- | A Blizzard employee will never ask for your password |
| 22:26.31 | Fisker- | but i will |
| 22:26.32 | Fisker- | giev |
| 22:26.37 | cbreak | I am sure you could do something with a pipe :) |
| 22:26.40 | Shirik | in Windows I can just do "a 100" "JMP 100" "g" and done |
| 22:26.59 | bleeter | Shirik: gdb |
| 22:27.14 | Shirik | oh? |
| 22:27.26 | bleeter | oh, hmm, I thought gdb could handle assembler stuff thrown at it if you've got as or similar as well |
| 22:27.34 | bleeter | not 100% sure, reading the doc I'm seeing here |
| 22:28.21 | bleeter | nah, coffee > helping shirik |
| 22:28.31 | bleeter | er s/nah/bah/ |
| 22:29.30 | Fisker- | bah |
| 22:29.31 | Fisker- | how stupid |
| 22:29.35 | Fisker- | just did a quest in wotlk |
| 22:29.45 | Fisker- | turns out a quest i did before made that quest impossible to tur nin |
| 22:29.48 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 22:29.55 | Corrodias | bug report |
| 22:29.59 | Corrodias | if it's actually true |
| 22:30.22 | Shirik | siiiiiigh |
| 22:30.24 | Corrodias | unless it's by design that you are unable to complete quests after doing another |
| 22:30.33 | Shirik | this robot hates me :( |
| 22:30.46 | Drundia | doesn't blow up? |
| 22:31.18 | Shirik | no it doesn't blow up |
| 22:31.18 | Fisker- | it's for horde in grizzly hills |
| 22:31.31 | Shirik | but every time I do something difficult (i.e., compiling) it resets |
| 22:31.34 | Fisker- | there's a quest where you have to kill the leader who gives you some other quests as well |
| 22:31.42 | Shirik | I thought it was the overcurrent protection on the power supply, but I'm not even near the limit according to my meter |
| 22:31.46 | Fisker- | but you can get the quest with killing the leader before you completed the others |
| 22:32.28 | Fisker- | which is annoying since i'm leveling to 80 with not many quests left :( |
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| 22:34.04 | Kudane | oh sure |
| 22:34.09 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 22:34.42 | Cairenn | cutier? |
| 22:34.42 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 22:34.51 | Kudane | ok, i have a beta UI question |
| 22:35.02 | Tekkub | no |
| 22:35.37 | Kudane | my fubar modules seem to be assuming the name of one another -- if i hover over moneyfu it says "questfu" as the label and turning off questfu in the config menu turns it off |
| 22:35.41 | Kudane | out tekk |
| 22:35.44 | Kudane | ouch* tekk |
| 22:35.59 | kd3 | there's a problem with some LoD stuff |
| 22:36.04 | Kudane | ahhh |
| 22:36.05 | kd3 | relog and you'll see the spam in ChatFrame1 |
| 22:36.22 | foxlit | wow, awesome |
| 22:36.22 | Kudane | ah... that still |
| 22:36.26 | Tekkub | I've not hit any LoD issues.... |
| 22:36.31 | Tekkub | but then I also don't use Fu |
| 22:36.33 | Kudane | thought it had been fixed as it had not done it in a while |
| 22:36.36 | foxlit | Something messed up wow's camera lense curvature |
| 22:36.39 | Tekkub | but I use assloads of LoD |
| 22:36.39 | Shirik | Tekkub: It has to do with out-of-date addons and something |
| 22:36.56 | Tekkub | ah, yea out of date addons are out of date |
| 22:37.12 | Tekkub | quit using them, or update them to be in of date, duh! |
| 22:37.15 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:38.18 | Kudane | hehe |
| 22:39.34 | Gnarfoz | reverting the wotlk "fix" to ace2's addon initialization stuff fixed the "addon1 calls itself addon2" troubles for me. |
| 22:40.32 | NightHawkTheSane | I cant believe i just saw a lock say "I'm a lock, what do I need [first aid] for?" >< |
| 22:41.26 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 22:41.56 | Corrodias | i remember being a healer in ZG raids and bandaging myself... then i switched to melee dps / tanking for BC and i can't remember using bandages again, even in cat form |
| 22:42.06 | Corrodias | er, even when in a dps role |
| 22:42.15 | foxlit | bandages are overrated |
| 22:42.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i bandage all the time.. |
| 22:42.19 | foxlit | soloing, only! |
| 22:42.21 | Corrodias | they weren't |
| 22:42.50 | Corrodias | they healed a good portion of my health back in the day. i don't remember how much they do in BC, though |
| 22:42.53 | Syzgyn | I've had the same 20 bandages on me for months now... only started using them again while doing Ilidari council |
| 22:42.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: 3400 |
| 22:43.24 | foxlit | basically, if you have to bandage while grouping, your healers are not doing their jobs :) |
| 22:43.27 | Anaral | What is the script to see if savedvariables are actually saving? |
| 22:44.01 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: or, they may be overtaxed at that moment. :P |
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| 22:44.04 | Corrodias | foxlit: maybe now. i still maintain that they were useful back in the day. at least, they were to us, especially with the apparently more limited mana |
| 22:44.08 | Kudane | or foxlite you are pulling to much aggro |
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| 22:44.32 | Syzgyn | Anaral: thats not always the case |
| 22:44.40 | Syzgyn | er, foxlit: |
| 22:44.52 | foxlit | Kudane: and in which case, your tanks are not doing their jobs :) |
| 22:45.04 | Kudane | could be true foxlit |
| 22:45.20 | Corrodias | foxlit: will you trade success for perfection? |
| 22:45.27 | Kudane | though i have seen a few mages who take enjoyment of trying to pull aggro |
| 22:45.40 | Kudane | ok, i relogged and the message is still there. |
| 22:45.45 | foxlit | Corrodias: this is a path to doom, not success. |
| 22:45.57 | kd3 | I <3 tanking onyxia as a mage |
| 22:46.04 | kd3 | a fire mage, no less |
| 22:46.12 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit just lives in his own little world where everything goes 110% successfully |
| 22:46.15 | Kudane | ironically it seems to load some of them, and changes which it decides to fail on. |
| 22:46.22 | Corrodias | you cannot change the situation, foxlit. this conversation is in the context of a raid that DID work, because of bandages |
| 22:46.30 | Corrodias | there was no doom |
| 22:47.18 | foxlit | If you're saying "some time in the pust, this may have been true for me", I can't disagree with that. |
| 22:47.20 | Corrodias | the bandaging i'm remembering is actually on the tiger boss of ZG. i don't remember the fight too well, but the final phase was a little chaotic |
| 22:47.32 | foxlit | However, using bandages while raiding in BC is a sign that things are going horribly, horribly wrong. |
| 22:47.36 | Kudane | ok, i removed all the LOD fubar plugins and my others are still switching names. -- any more ideas? |
| 22:47.51 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i seriously disagree |
| 22:48.20 | Corrodias | i can't argue about that. my original statement was that i found myself never using them in BC raids. |
| 22:48.47 | Corrodias | well, almost never. some early attempts at the Maiden, maybe i did. |
| 22:49.30 | Syzgyn | I'd say if you're doing something on farm and have to bandage, then yes something is up. But for something thats progression, not necessarily |
| 22:49.31 | Corrodias | then again, as a feral druid, i could just use mana to heal myself a good chunk and get back into the fight faster |
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| 22:50.43 | Corrodias | powershifting messed with my rhythm, so i didn't use it most of the time unless necessary |
| 22:54.15 | foxlit | Anyone figured out what's going on with GetCursorInfo and companions (mounts, specifically?) |
| 22:54.25 | foxlit | it seems to return "spell", 0, "spell" |
| 22:54.40 | foxlit | (it's amazing that that sticks to the bar, so I wonder what's going on) |
| 22:55.35 | Kudane | okey, thanks for the reminder that LOD is still goofed, hopefully it will get fixed soon. |
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| 22:56.58 | Corrodias | lord of destruction... |
| 22:57.29 | alestane | Anyone know what the upper bound is on spellIDs currently in use? |
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| 22:58.09 | kromar | hi, anyone manages some addons on curseforge? |
| 22:58.30 | kd3 | ales; I wanna say somewhere in the 50k range |
| 22:58.37 | kd3 | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=50156 |
| 22:59.30 | alestane | Well, I'm trying to build a library of certain spells, and right now I think the initial work involves at least one full scan. Sounds like starting at 2^16 is reasonable. |
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| 23:02.09 | Cairenn | kromar: there are people from curse in here, ask your question |
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| 23:02.44 | kromar | ok how can i edit the addon description? i cant find it anywhere.... |
| 23:02.52 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 23:03.33 | Ackis | kromar: on your add-on do you see a list of pages? |
| 23:03.39 | Kaelten | Edit the Main page. |
| 23:03.56 | Seerah | Kudane: update - the Ace2 library was at fault, it's been fixed now :) |
| 23:04.08 | kromar | there is no option to edit the main page |
| 23:04.09 | NightHawkTheSane | I think im going to start refusing to spec resto to heal instances.. |
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| 23:06.48 | Dashkal_ | ~seen Parnic |
| 23:06.49 | purl | parnic is currently on #wowace (23h 43m 48s). Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 20h 42m 20s, last said: 'nice'. |
| 23:11.25 | Kudane | anyone have the SVN path for the WoLTK Ace2 files? |
| 23:12.23 | Corrodias | sorry, Shirik destroyed it |
| 23:12.31 | Seerah | heh |
| 23:12.41 | Seerah | Shirik's robot is being blamed for everything today ;) |
| 23:12.48 | Shirik | I still don't know wtf I did |
| 23:13.22 | foxlit | Did you set it loose on Tokyo? |
| 23:13.30 | Anaral | Bwahaha, Dead Gnomes are back on Lothar in IF. |
| 23:13.56 | Cairenn | it even killed my puppy! |
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| 23:14.46 | bleeter | I heard of Dead Gnomes spelling out 'Sexleg' earlier... at elast I think it was 'sexleg', certainly wasn't the name of a gold selling site |
| 23:15.28 | Thrae | Dammit cat, if you want to live in our house, the rule is don't attack me. |
| 23:15.34 | bleeter | ah, no.. not 'sexleg' but 'anal' :/ |
| 23:15.37 | Anaral | This one is the same as before. nothing real exciting about it... |
| 23:15.55 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9237583804&sid=1 |
| 23:21.13 | foxlit | Hm, what would you do with the data sent by the feedbackui? |
| 23:25.55 | Shirik | interesting |
| 23:25.57 | Shirik | "In short, the new law would under certain conditions allow people to bring guns onto public or private property and bar employers from prohibiting workers, customers and visitors from keeping legally possessed firearms locked in their cars that are parked on the employers' property." |
| 23:26.05 | Shirik | Florida law passed earlier this year |
| 23:27.06 | Corrodias | in wisconsin, it is legal (as far as i can tell) to carry an unconcealed gun in a public area, though not INTO any public building |
| 23:27.41 | Thrae | That's just what Wisconsin needs -- more people walking around with visible firearms. |
| 23:27.42 | Corrodias | i don't know much about the ability of owners of property to restrict people from having one in a car. i can't imagine anyone caring. |
| 23:28.13 | Corrodias | Thrae: i doubt anyone would bother DOING it. at least it could be considered a public disturbance |
| 23:29.26 | Corrodias | but i'm not about to suggest that having publicly visible weaponry is something we would not benefit from |
| 23:29.48 | Shirik | ~dict subrogation |
| 23:29.54 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:29.59 | Corrodias | heh |
| 23:30.16 | Corrodias | the issue is far too complex for me to make any blanket suggestion like that |
| 23:31.25 | Thrae | I don't have any problem with people carrying guns as long as they are well-trained on how to use them. |
| 23:31.41 | Thrae | Oh, and they're not like Glock 9s. |
| 23:32.12 | Neuro_Medivh | Texas is starting to allow teachers to carry them into schools |
| 23:32.22 | Corrodias | that's not a bad idea. a safety/use course certification requirement |
| 23:32.36 | Thrae | I think in Texas, it's illegal to NOT own a firearm |
| 23:32.37 | Corrodias | and yet |
| 23:33.08 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh, just about |
| 23:33.11 | Corrodias | you can't go checking everyone's card all the time. it'd have to be at the point of purchase. |
| 23:34.22 | Thrae | The place the Libertarian ideals die is when you consider how stupid everyone else is, and how dangerous they can easily be with too much freedom. Which is why I always carry Libertarianism with the idea of trying to keep people educated. |
| 23:35.23 | Thrae | Think of how much we could stem the bad effects of drugs if we educated and treated people using all the money we use to fight drugs, instead legalizing it and taxing and regulating the hell out of it. |
| 23:35.54 | Corrodias | not sure i could agree with heavy taxation |
| 23:36.08 | Corrodias | any more than on other nonessentials |
| 23:36.34 | Thrae | The taxation would be different for each type of drug, and based on both state and federal laws. |
| 23:36.48 | Corrodias | that doesn't change my response |
| 23:36.59 | Corrodias | why should they be taxed more than other things? |
| 23:37.01 | Thrae | So California can tax the hell out of all drugs like the liberals they are, while in Virginia, Cannabis would be the same as Cigarettes. |
| 23:37.26 | Neuro_Medivh | Corrodias, because certain items incur a public cost |
| 23:37.56 | Neuro_Medivh | cigarettes, for example, cost the govt in health coverage |
| 23:37.58 | Corrodias | i don't know if i want to get into this, but sure! elaborate |
| 23:38.15 | Corrodias | ah, health coverage, now we get to the meat of the issue |
| 23:38.17 | Shirik | I like this warning on this unit here |
| 23:38.25 | Neuro_Medivh | No, that's merely an example |
| 23:38.36 | Neuro_Medivh | gasoline is taxed to provide roads |
| 23:38.36 | Corrodias | are there others? |
| 23:38.49 | Thrae | Well, if you want Cocaine, we should tax to defray the costs of detoxing your ass if you become an addict. Of course, you could go full Libertarian and say those people are weak and let nature sort 'em out, but I don't see a good society having over 50% of its population in a cesspool of their own stupidity and ignorance. |
| 23:38.52 | Neuro_Medivh | property is taxed to provide schools |
| 23:39.00 | Corrodias | children should be taxed for schools |
| 23:39.03 | Corrodias | ;P |
| 23:39.15 | Thrae | Corrodias: Parents are taxed instead, except non-parents are taxed too ;) |
| 23:39.20 | Corrodias | just kidding, property taxes trickle down to anyone who owns OR rents |
| 23:39.35 | Corrodias | and that's fine, as an educated public benefits everyone |
| 23:39.53 | Thrae | Just as a non-addicted public benefits everyone |
| 23:39.56 | Corrodias | although i'm not sure why people who own more land are supposed to have more interest in public education |
| 23:40.11 | Corrodias | Thrae: then why legalize it? |
| 23:40.29 | Thrae | Corrodias: a) freedom of choice, b) fighting it is much, much harder |
| 23:40.31 | Neuro_Medivh | Corrodias, because outlawing it isn't working at current |
| 23:41.00 | Corrodias | (not that i'm disagreeing, just arguing to get all sides) |
| 23:41.08 | Neuro_Medivh | understood |
| 23:41.08 | Thrae | There are tons of legitimate uses for stuff like Cannabis, and even Herion |
| 23:41.22 | Corrodias | heck, i think having a good time is legitimate enough a use |
| 23:41.37 | Neuro_Medivh | well, I'm not advocating legalizing all drugs... primarily, cannibis |
| 23:41.42 | Thrae | Hell, we should fully legalize sex |
| 23:41.45 | Corrodias | until it involves things that endanger other people, but we do that with alcohol |
| 23:41.45 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, I don't smoke pot |
| 23:41.56 | Thrae | Sex is partially illegal if you think about it |
| 23:42.02 | Corrodias | indeed. sex is bad, m'kay |
| 23:42.06 | Neuro_Medivh | so it's not like I'm going "Dude, legalize it so I can get it easier!" |
| 23:42.10 | Thrae | 1) Prostitution is illegal, 2) You can't have sex in a public place |
| 23:42.28 | Corrodias | Thrae: in the interest of the public good, i still want public nudity of ugly people to be illegal |
| 23:42.29 | Neuro_Medivh | there's lots of things you can't do in a public place |
| 23:42.45 | Thrae | Corrodias: Public good? You can just not look. You pervert. |
| 23:42.51 | Corrodias | ;) |
| 23:42.59 | Corrodias | true |
| 23:43.15 | Neuro_Medivh | 99% of all arguments regarding things like prostitution, drugs, etc are things like "But what about the CHILDREN!" |
| 23:43.19 | Thrae | And maybe if more people were naked, they'd take better care of their bodies ;) |
| 23:43.42 | Corrodias | i think restricting things in public places is about letting people be social/active and/or take children outside while still being able to raise them mostly how they want |
| 23:43.56 | Thrae | Neuro_Medivh: Sure, as long as their parents say it's OK and they're psychologically healthy |
| 23:44.02 | Neuro_Medivh | all I know is, no one ever got stoned and stabbed someone else in the eye with a pool cue |
| 23:44.23 | Neuro_Medivh | but that's like a regular occurance with alcohol |
| 23:44.26 | Corrodias | from what i hear about marijuana, it's less dangerous than alcohol |
| 23:44.30 | Neuro_Medivh | it is |
| 23:44.50 | Corrodias | although i am unsure about conflicting anecdotes about long-term memory effects |
| 23:44.55 | Neuro_Medivh | I see no legitimate reason to criminalize marijuana, when alcohol and tobacco are legal |
| 23:45.09 | Thrae | If I make the statement, "Let the children have sex. Let the children have abortions. Let the children have sex while having abortions," you'd mostly get a reaction from the *religious* crowd, who are the exact opposite of who you want determining policy. |
| 23:45.22 | Neuro_Medivh | should have the same restrictions as alcohol and smoking do. |
| 23:45.29 | Neuro_Medivh | and yes, tax the shit out of it |
| 23:45.38 | Corrodias | i'm going to make an argument against that, Thrae, because people change as they grow up |
| 23:45.49 | Corrodias | there is something to be said about protecting people from themselves when they're young and stupid |
| 23:46.09 | Corrodias | not to mention power relationships in which one can force the other to do something |
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| 23:46.31 | Thrae | Corrodias: The best way to protect is through education. Humanity did not become the dominant species through avoiding knowledge. |
| 23:46.40 | Wobin | truly p2p is a wonderous invention |
| 23:47.04 | Neuro_Medivh | been downloading porn, Wobin? |
| 23:47.11 | Wobin | the difference between downloading openoffice installation files at 30kB/s and 400kB/s is telling |
| 23:47.16 | Wobin | I'm at work |
| 23:47.16 | Corrodias | no, but not all people are inherently good, and children -are- underdeveloped, mentally. |
| 23:47.26 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, right, people NEVER download porn at work =) |
| 23:47.29 | Wobin | and I know my Network guys are smart =) |
| 23:47.40 | Thrae | Corrodias: If the parents are powerless to properly educate their children on sex, a government pushing celebicy is like trying to stop a tank with a peashooter. |
| 23:47.51 | Neuro_Medivh | are you kidding me, Corrodias? Children are amoral little bastards |
| 23:47.53 | Wobin | children can be the cruelest individuals around |
| 23:48.40 | Corrodias | by all means, i don't suggest keeping children from -knowing- about sex, but -allowing- it opens a can of worms i don't want to deal with |
| 23:48.56 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, how can you stop it? |
| 23:49.04 | Thrae | Just like all other animals, when we hit pueberty, humans have an increasingly strong desire to mate. You're going to stop an inherent biological response found in all children by just "not allowing it"? |
| 23:49.06 | Wobin | Large Plastic Bags |
| 23:49.10 | Corrodias | ...laws that penalize people who rape children? :/ |
| 23:49.29 | Thrae | Corrodias: I specifically said children + children, not adult + children |
| 23:49.46 | Neuro_Medivh | Um, I was under the assumption that the discussion was about underage sex, as in both participants were under the age of consent |
| 23:49.50 | Corrodias | when did you say that? |
| 23:50.03 | Corrodias | we've been talking about different issues! :D |
| 23:50.06 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 23:50.26 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't think anyone is advocating relaxing statutory rape laws |
| 23:50.35 | Corrodias | and i was thinking about people under 12, Thrae |
| 23:50.43 | Corrodias | before that biological force is in place |
| 23:51.05 | Guest26368 | :/ |
| 23:51.16 | Thrae | Corrodias: I said "Let the children have sex", not "Let the children have sex with whomever they want". And why would children under 12 want to have sex? |
| 23:51.18 | Guest26368 | (19:50:55) - [notice from NickServ]: Shirik has been ghosted. |
| 23:51.18 | Guest26368 | (19:50:59) - Nickname 'Shirik' is already in use |
| 23:51.24 | Corrodias | give or take a couple of years. i found great joy in the internet at 10. |
| 23:51.25 | Guest26368 | ok, /ns ghost Shirik... |
| 23:51.29 | Guest26368 | (19:51:07) - [notice from NickServ]: Shirik is not online. |
| 23:51.34 | Neuro_Medivh | Hello Guest in the Machine |
| 23:51.45 | Guest26368 | wtf |
| 23:51.49 | Guest26368 | give me back my nick |
| 23:51.59 | Neuro_Medivh | you lucky bastard, I didn't get internet till I was in college |
| 23:52.18 | Corrodias | Thrae: well, excluding the age specification there, i was talking about power relationships, where they can be forced to do something by someone in a position of authority over them |
| 23:52.40 | Thrae | Corrodias: Most of the reasons before pueberty involve sexual abuse by post-puebescant humans. I think even anarchists would agree that's not right. |
| 23:52.59 | *** part/#wowuidev Shirik|Ghost (n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 23:52.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik|Ghost (n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 23:52.59 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|Ghost] by ChanServ |
| 23:53.01 | Corrodias | they could be coerced to say they did want it, and nobody can prove otherwise |
| 23:53.03 | Wobin | Shirik appears to be signed in |
| 23:53.12 | Wobin | perhaps on another computer/clone> |
| 23:53.23 | Shirik|Ghost | It was my laptop |
| 23:53.24 | Shirik|Ghost | I'll admit that |
| 23:53.28 | Shirik|Ghost | but I just ghosted it |
| 23:53.28 | Syzgyn | hah |
| 23:53.30 | Neuro_Medivh | Corrodias, again, I dont' think anyone was discussing legalizing that kind of contact |
| 23:53.33 | Shirik|Ghost | and now Nickserv says it's offline |
| 23:53.43 | Corrodias | understood. just explaining why i said what i did |
| 23:53.44 | Shirik|Ghost | but when I do /nick Shirik it (obviously) says it's in use |
| 23:53.58 | Corrodias | well, i think we've drifted far enough off-topic that i can't find my way back now |
| 23:54.09 | Neuro_Medivh | maybe YOU are the imposter, Ghost-Shirik! |
| 23:54.10 | Shirik|Ghost | Corrodias: Who cares about being on-topic anyway |
| 23:54.18 | Shirik|Ghost | ~kill Neuro_Medivh |
| 23:54.19 | purl | ACTION shoots a ionized tachyon gun at Neuro_Medivh |
| 23:54.25 | Wobin | I bet Shirik|Ghost has a goatee |
| 23:54.25 | Thrae | Corrodias: That's not what I was talking about though. The meat of the argument was things that people should be free to do, I think you're going to a bit of an extreme when you think I want to legalize the rape of children. I said "the children", meaning the children as a group by themselves, as a normal person would infer. |
| 23:54.29 | Neuro_Medivh | maybe you travelled back in time and are trying to take over your own life to avoid some horrible future! |
| 23:54.58 | Corrodias | Thrae: sorry, i was following the template of typical discussions of the sort on image boards |
| 23:55.05 | Corrodias | they never mention that |
| 23:55.08 | Thrae | This is not 4chan |
| 23:55.13 | Corrodias | *the sort of image boards i browse |
| 23:55.22 | Neuro_Medivh | 4chan is a cesspool |
| 23:55.22 | Thrae | *which is 4chan |
| 23:55.25 | Corrodias | i fucked that up |
| 23:55.43 | Corrodias | typical discussions of that sort on image boards i use |
| 23:56.02 | Corrodias | not just 4chan, but that included |
| 23:56.44 | Thrae | Pedophiles and sympathizers hang out on 4chan, they've been raided a few times. So yeah, you guess that discussion comes up. |
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| 23:57.02 | Thrae | As well other boards like DA |
| 23:57.39 | Thrae | So unlike your image boards, "What is pedophilia?" isn't the core discussion here. |
| 23:57.45 | Neuro_Medivh | it's funny... technically, I'm closer to Libertarian in ideology, but I just can't stand most Libertarians =) |
| 23:57.49 | Corrodias | it's a place of free discussion; i won't fault it for that |
| 23:58.13 | Neuro_Medivh | so this election will be interesting for me |
| 23:58.15 | Corrodias | i don't have to agree with everyone there, or here |
| 23:58.41 | Thrae | Neuro_Medivh: A lot of them are anarcho-capitalists that want to see a purer version of their system in place, except that would just give leave to companies controlling the government with how the money is distributed right now. |
| 23:59.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Thrae: My basic stance is that I'm liberal on social issues, conservative on economic and foreign policy issues |
| 23:59.29 | Neuro_Medivh | except crime, I'm more conservative on criminal issues |
| 23:59.52 | schnoggo | uh.. your going to talk about addons at some point or are you trying to usurp this channel for pointless blather? |
