| 00:00.07 | bleeter | Cairenn: thanks |
| 00:00.12 | Cairenn | the person misunderstood the email |
| 00:00.22 | Cairenn | the deadline was FOR THAT WAVE of invites |
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| 00:00.47 | bleeter | yup, have tried to correct stuffs. thanks for the explanations folks, all round :) |
| 00:00.53 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 00:01.53 | erikd | i got to read all about the august 1st wave, i was one of the 500 or so people whose blizzcon/wwi invite emails got bugged :) |
| 00:02.05 | Cairenn | actually, reythur himself explains it in the thread you linked bleeter |
| 00:02.21 | bleeter | yeah, after the post I made based on the convo here :P |
| 00:02.29 | Ackis | ziggyblazen |
| 00:02.43 | Cairenn | ah, yeah, sorry, missed that |
| 00:03.14 | bleeter | sorry? SORRY? I DONT BELIEVE YOU AND I'M HIGHLY OFFENDED! |
| 00:03.14 | bleeter | :P |
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| 00:03.34 | Cairenn | apology* |
| 00:03.40 | Garoun|Loupana | Always fun logging on after a new build ;) |
| 00:03.43 | bleeter | aplogy sounds more fun |
| 00:03.48 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 00:04.02 | Gnarfoz | so, can anyone share what they closed Storm Peaks for? (haven't even patched to 8820, yet >_>) |
| 00:04.18 | bleeter | spawning thousands of mobs causes server go boom |
| 00:04.22 | bleeter | afaik |
| 00:04.29 | Gnarfoz | ghoul bug redux? |
| 00:04.31 | NightHawkAtWork | apparently there was some exploit? |
| 00:04.34 | bleeter | aye |
| 00:04.43 | erikd | anyone know if blizz has announced when they'll have more key fobs available? |
| 00:04.44 | Pneumatus | Gnarfoz: most likely the bugged quest that you control a siege weapon that gives xp for every kill, and it 1shots mobs |
| 00:04.47 | jaxdahl | vehicle that could oneshot mobs was giving xp |
| 00:04.48 | jaxdahl | yea |
| 00:04.58 | Pneumatus | so a bunch of people rushed 80 in the space of a couple of hours |
| 00:05.09 | Pneumatus | similar bug to the nagrand elementals in TBC |
| 00:05.27 | Pneumatus | split elemental into shards, aoe shards, get full xp per shard, rather than 1/2 |
| 00:05.28 | Gnarfoz | heh, a little oversight there, then ;D |
| 00:05.30 | Ackis | 1.3 MB/sec DL speed! |
| 00:06.00 | Gnarfoz | too bad eu beta was unstable as hell, ;p |
| 00:06.07 | bleeter | sometimes, I think that the devs don't have enough of a nefarious mind when they initially build stuff |
| 00:06.39 | Pneumatus | so now im stuck with a single quest, to go to storm peaks, but cant do it! |
| 00:06.42 | Pneumatus | to the instancemobile |
| 00:07.29 | Garoun|Loupana | well in my case, some of the fubar icons and their corresponding tooltip are flipped :P |
| 00:10.58 | Pneumatus | hmm, they have added new vials for alchemy, but no new patterns :< |
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| 00:16.31 | Ackis | ~hate Fisker- |
| 00:16.32 | purl | Hey ackis, ,,|, |
| 00:16.39 | Ackis | wot? |
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| 00:17.00 | Duman | haha |
| 00:18.05 | Xuerian | foxlit: What block of code handles the ring widening when the mouse moves out of the deadzone? |
| 00:18.08 | erikd | btw duman |
| 00:18.13 | erikd | when you pasted that ping |
| 00:18.19 | erikd | i pinged you... 18:58 CTCP PING reply from Duman: 150.387 seconds |
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| 00:20.54 | foxlit | Xuerian: actually, that block doesn't exist |
| 00:21.11 | Xuerian | foxlit: O.o.... Then... how... does that happen? >.> |
| 00:21.28 | foxlit | by having the opposite happen |
| 00:21.33 | Adys | Any healer around in EU beta alliance ? |
| 00:22.10 | Adys | (for stratholme :p) |
| 00:22.22 | Xuerian | foxlit: Ok, well, where does that happen? :P |
| 00:22.51 | foxlit | See where the rest of the scaling animation happens? |
| 00:23.13 | Xuerian | the if adiff <= astep /2 elseif adiff <= astep *1.25 else bit? |
| 00:23.29 | foxlit | The :SetScale bits |
| 00:23.43 | Xuerian | Eh, yeah, ok? |
| 00:25.25 | Xuerian | Nyahah, sneaky |
| 00:25.41 | Xuerian | you overloaded SetScale. |
| 00:25.58 | foxlit | Well, that really isn't interesting |
| 00:26.14 | Xuerian | Not interesting, but explains my 'wtf whar is smooth change' |
| 00:26.52 | foxlit | The effect you're referring to is caused by the very first :SetScale |
| 00:26.59 | foxlit | which triggers if nothing is selected. |
| 00:27.41 | Xuerian | if not si, yeah, that makes sense |
| 00:27.54 | Xuerian | After watching the animation more closely the fallthroughs make sense |
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| 00:35.54 | erikd | i love when i look at my code and think to myself "how the hell did that EVER work?" |
| 00:36.01 | Xuerian | foxlit: Ok, it's six lines, seven if you count a option to disable it - including fading in and out when deadzoning/entering |
| 00:36.10 | Cairenn | erikd: lol |
| 00:36.48 | foxlit | Do I count the configuration, localization stuff for it? :) |
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| 00:39.51 | Xuerian | foxlit: Ok, I survived the lib file... the config file KO'd me |
| 00:40.13 | Duman | boo, world server |
| 00:41.20 | foxlit | Score one for the XML implementation of UI :) |
| 00:41.47 | foxlit | Since when does No Man's Land port you to Borean Tundra? :( |
| 00:41.59 | kd3 | if you hit icecrown |
| 00:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It ports you to whichever starting zone you're closest to |
| 00:42.04 | kd3 | storm peaks'll send you to HF |
| 00:42.34 | foxlit | They're both equally broken wrt flying mounts :( |
| 00:44.24 | kd3 | yah |
| 00:44.53 | Duman | hmm |
| 00:44.57 | Duman | wtb char list |
| 00:45.10 | Tem | Error Retrieving Character List |
| 00:45.15 | foxlit | Tem: shutdown in 10 |
| 00:45.20 | kd3 | 21.436% done with the furby grind |
| 00:46.12 | foxlit | Xuerian: don't mind me; I haven't actually decided what I'm going to do with things, and implementing them should really be my problem and not yours |
| 00:46.37 | Xuerian | foxlit: Lol, I don't care. it's a simple thing that i'm happy with, I can mod it locally if I really want it |
| 00:46.56 | foxlit | (both configuration files are pure evil, too, so I'd want to preserve your sanity) |
| 00:47.46 | Duman | hmm |
| 00:47.46 | foxlit | uint32_t bLength = 2 * (header.width * header.height / 16); |
| 00:47.49 | Xuerian | foxlit: All the more reason to just do it myself :P |
| 00:47.53 | foxlit | uint32_t inBuffer[bLength]; |
| 00:48.12 | foxlit | Are those two lines a horrible mistake? |
| 00:49.26 | Duman | hmm |
| 00:49.42 | Tem | foxlit, I hope that means the servers will be more stable this evening |
| 00:49.54 | Tem | getting booted every 20m is no fun |
| 00:50.09 | kd3 | here's hoping... especially since they killed storm peaks |
| 00:50.38 | Duman | guess the server was shut down, heh |
| 00:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | One kernel sticks forever at "Waiting on root drive" - the other just kernel panics in under a second |
| 00:51.25 | Corrodias | AAAH PANIC! |
| 00:51.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed :/ |
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| 00:54.22 | Tem | kd3, killed storm peaks? |
| 00:54.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: no man's land now |
| 00:54.35 | kd3 | it's no man's land again |
| 00:54.40 | Neo|Other | it was a bit tricky |
| 00:54.41 | Tem | was that the zone with the exploitable vehicle? |
| 00:54.45 | kd3 | yes |
| 00:54.48 | kd3 | neo; that's the point |
| 00:54.51 | Tem | good |
| 00:55.01 | Neo|Other | kd3: of course. I wasn't complaining |
| 01:00.34 | Duman | yay exploits :-/ |
| 01:00.50 | Tem | kd3, good |
| 01:01.02 | Tem | would someone mind pinging me when we know more about the servers? |
| 01:01.17 | Duman | if I see something, sure |
| 01:01.20 | leethal | why the f. is daze in the game? |
| 01:01.24 | leethal | pointless and annoying =/ |
| 01:01.25 | Duman | Lich Kin gi sback uip |
| 01:01.32 | ScytheBlade1 | wow Duman |
| 01:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Broken space bar much? ;) |
| 01:01.38 | Duman | :P |
| 01:01.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That was impressive, haha |
| 01:01.46 | Duman | typing sideways ;) |
| 01:01.49 | Neo|Other | goo dby eforn ow |
| 01:02.06 | Duman | :P |
| 01:02.11 | Duman | ok, servers are not really up |
| 01:02.15 | Duman | insta-disconnect |
| 01:03.09 | Duman | Tem: Back up |
| 01:03.21 | Tem | damn |
| 01:03.25 | Tem | I just zoned into an AV |
| 01:03.28 | Duman | lol |
| 01:05.41 | Tem | ugh |
| 01:05.55 | Tem | I'm really sick of seeing DKs wearing those Jade warrior shoulders |
| 01:06.03 | Tem | ffs, the starter shoulders are better |
| 01:06.17 | erikd | but everyone's wearing them, they must be better! |
| 01:07.09 | Tem | what's worse is they argue with me when I tell them their starter shoulders are better |
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| 01:09.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, 6to4 is neat |
| 01:09.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay for IPv6 enabled home connections |
| 01:12.27 | Tem | g0shous3 |
| 01:12.35 | Tem | awesome |
| 01:13.16 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.29 | Tem | wow really needs to take the keyboard focus when it start up |
| 01:13.37 | Tem | this happens way too frequently |
| 01:17.23 | Corrodias | it always used to for me... new problem? |
| 01:17.34 | Corrodias | or perhaps your system is different from mine |
| 01:18.48 | Corrodias | i know i was annoyed when it started including the left and right borders in the window size calculation... and/or refused to start the window wider than the desktop |
| 01:18.59 | Corrodias | but i don't think that issue ever got much attention |
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| 01:20.44 | Tem | <3 |
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| 01:20.47 | Tem | nothing to see here |
| 01:21.01 | Tem | yay, auto-filters for my new passwords |
| 01:21.50 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 01:21.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's one way of doing it |
| 01:22.11 | Garoun|Loupana | ok, I wanna know why you say the jade fire are worse then the starter ones Tem, once you've reached max for your weapon |
| 01:22.48 | Garoun|Loupana | You lose a little attack power but pick up a big chunk of health/armor and crit |
| 01:22.50 | Tem | Garoun|Loupana, if you're hit capped then it's a moot point |
| 01:23.12 | Tem | it's basically equivilant AP if you have bladed armor |
| 01:23.29 | Tem | but if you have bladed armor, you're likely a blood spec so extra health/armor is worthless to you |
| 01:23.41 | Tem | AGI gives us nothing but crit |
| 01:24.29 | Garoun|Loupana | and how can you say extra armor is worthless, especially if you have bladed armor :P |
| 01:24.47 | Garoun|Loupana | > armor = > AP |
| 01:24.55 | Garoun|Loupana | armor isn't worthless at all to a Blood DK |
| 01:25.09 | Tem | you don't need to take less damage |
| 01:25.15 | Tem | you're invincible already |
| 01:25.22 | Garoun|Loupana | but having more armor gives you more damage :) |
| 01:25.40 | foxlit | okay |
| 01:25.42 | Garoun|Loupana | bladed armor gives 25 ap for every 1k armor |
| 01:25.54 | Garoun|Loupana | and if you're blood you most likely have Rune tap |
| 01:26.07 | Garoun|Loupana | which gives 10% of max health (includes +sta) |
| 01:26.08 | Tem | I've never taken it in a blood spec |
| 01:26.15 | foxlit | uint32_t buffer[129408]; gives me problems |
| 01:26.22 | Garoun|Loupana | Which benefits from higher stamina |
| 01:26.22 | foxlit | uint32_t buffer[129280]; does not |
| 01:26.23 | Tem | only needed the healing from it in non-blood specs |
| 01:26.30 | foxlit | What's so special about 129280, I wonder |
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| 01:26.38 | Garoun|Loupana | have you played your DK since the patch as blood? |
| 01:26.44 | Corrodias | what kind of problems? |
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| 01:26.49 | Tem | Basicaly, Garoun|Loupana, it comes down to this: more AP + hit rating > less AP and some crit |
| 01:26.55 | Tem | Garoun|Loupana, I'm online right now |
| 01:26.58 | Tem | still invincible |
| 01:27.19 | Garoun|Loupana | but if you have your weapon skill maxxed it doesn't matter |
| 01:27.24 | Garoun|Loupana | you won't need the extra hit |
| 01:27.49 | Garoun|Loupana | nobody worried about hit cap leveling up to 70, no reason for a DK to once their weapon skill is maxxed |
| 01:28.13 | erikd | i dropped some ap on my gloves for some hit on my dk |
| 01:28.21 | erikd | i was missing way too much |
| 01:28.23 | Garoun|Loupana | the reason DKs get +hit to start is because their weaponskill doesn't stay paced properly when you're starting out |
| 01:28.45 | Tem | Garoun|Loupana, you're constantly fighting mobs higher level than yourself |
| 01:29.00 | Corrodias | oh yeah, well, i put the jinx belt on mario so his attack power is pretty high now. geno has the double experience accessory. |
| 01:29.04 | Tem | you get out of the DK area just shy of 58, last I checked |
| 01:29.11 | Tem | and head pretty much straight to Outland |
| 01:29.20 | Garoun|Loupana | if you decide to go there |
| 01:29.24 | Tem | . . . |
| 01:29.30 | Tem | and then you go to Northrend at 68 |
| 01:29.40 | Tem | the lowest mobs in the Fjord are level 69 |
| 01:29.42 | erikd | seems pointless to stay in azeroth at 58 |
| 01:29.44 | Tem | and they don't last long |
| 01:30.00 | Tem | I rolled my DK when they dropped you loose at the start of level 57 |
| 01:30.06 | Tem | I did 57 - 58 in azeroth |
| 01:30.11 | Tem | NEVER |
| 01:30.12 | Tem | AGAIN |
| 01:30.24 | Garoun|Loupana | I'll have to do some checking, because haven't had any problems with dying due to too low of hit |
| 01:30.45 | erikd | i had 2 bars left to 58 on my first dk and it sucked getting the last 2 bars in azeroth |
| 01:30.48 | Garoun|Loupana | but we'll agree to disagree on the shoulders :) |
| 01:31.15 | Tem | there's nothing more frustrating to me than missing or getting dodge/parried on my Blood Plague application |
| 01:31.23 | Tem | messing with my rotation = annoying |
| 01:31.26 | Garoun|Loupana | I just wanted to make sure valid arguments were made for both, as opposed to what you probably got which was the 'shut up newb' crap you usually get :) |
| 01:31.40 | Tem | *nod* |
| 01:31.44 | Tem | ugh |
| 01:31.53 | Tem | I wish I could stay online for more than 15m tonight |
| 01:32.07 | Tem | damn 77s messin up my world server |
| 01:32.12 | erikd | tem: death strike is the one i get annoyed when i miss |
| 01:32.14 | Garoun|Loupana | my final build will most likely be a DW/Blood, because I want to see how the dynamic works |
| 01:32.27 | Garoun|Loupana | in that case hit will be a big deal |
| 01:32.28 | Tem | oh god, yes, erikd |
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| 01:32.46 | Tem | I haven't tried DW yet |
| 01:32.55 | Tem | but as soon as I find another weapon for it, I will |
| 01:33.08 | erikd | i got so frustrated on wednesday i went to bed because it seemed like i was missing 75% of my death strikes :P |
| 01:33.35 | Garoun|Loupana | I want annilation but with the changes they made last night to the rotation, Obliterate kinda loses it's luster in blood |
| 01:34.02 | Garoun|Loupana | They moved it to be a Unholy/Frost skill |
| 01:34.32 | Garoun|Loupana | But you can tell they didn't really like the 5man DK runs :) |
| 01:34.37 | Tem | yeah, 4x HS seems better |
| 01:34.49 | Garoun|Loupana | considering Blood Boil use to be a key ability for full DK runs |
| 01:35.14 | Garoun|Loupana | mainly so you could quickly taunt everything before another dk died in the group |
| 01:35.22 | erikd | i was sad when i saw they changed blood boil and nerfed pestilence |
| 01:35.40 | erikd | seems like they took away a big source of dk aoe tanking |
| 01:35.48 | Garoun|Loupana | They changed BB because they want it added to your dps rotation |
| 01:36.00 | Garoun|Loupana | I like the change, was just sad to lose the oh crap button :P |
| 01:36.17 | Tem | I don't like Rune Strike |
| 01:36.37 | Tem | It'll either be really fiddly (on the GCD) |
| 01:36.45 | Tem | or horribly OP (off the GCD) |
| 01:37.30 | Tem | once it's off theGCD you can just macro it onto every spell you have |
| 01:37.55 | Garoun|Loupana | Now that I reviewed the talents, wonder what DKs will use for the quick AE taunt |
| 01:38.20 | Garoun|Loupana | I always went the Disease/Pest/Blood Boil route for quickly getting all mobs on me |
| 01:38.59 | Tem | GC said that Army of the Dead is our oshit tanking button |
| 01:39.05 | Tem | since the ghouls taunt |
| 01:39.23 | Tem | the point isn't to get the mobs onto the DK, it's to get them off other players |
| 01:39.52 | Garoun|Loupana | interesting thought process |
| 01:40.32 | Garoun|Loupana | I mean I knew it was primarily to get it off others, but I'm more use to the get everything on me so it's easier to focus heals |
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| 01:51.02 | foxlit | a few malloc()s latter, it finally works |
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| 02:04.54 | Tekkub | where's that bitch Iriel, the new secure shit went in this patch and re-broke tekPopbar |
| 02:06.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:07.55 | Tekkub | sad part is, all the "majicks" seem to still work... it's only the part with the getting of a button's children to be shown that I can't decipher how to do |
| 02:15.30 | AnduinLothar | there a place to buy fishing lures in nagrand? |
| 02:16.41 | foxlit | ah, I see |
| 02:16.51 | foxlit | post handlers aren't called unless there's a message return |
| 02:17.30 | foxlit | eeevil! |
| 02:18.05 | Garoun|Loupana | guess it's time for more WAR testing :/ |
| 02:18.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: don't suppose you know of a good IPv6 subnetting app/anything? |
| 02:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | (Or anyone) |
| 02:19.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: did you by chance make Afflicted? |
| 02:19.58 | Shadowed | I hope so |
| 02:20.04 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The spelling was different, was just curious |
| 02:20.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Any way to change the font you use? |
| 02:20.21 | Shadowed | For bars? |
| 02:20.53 | Shadowed | heyyyyyy Cairenn, does vB let you change names if I bribed you?! |
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| 02:21.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The timer specifically |
| 02:21.12 | Cairenn | Shadowed: you mean for your account on wowi? |
| 02:21.15 | Shadowed | yea |
| 02:21.16 | ScytheBlade1 | *timers |
| 02:21.18 | Cairenn | yes |
| 02:21.28 | Shadowed | When you have a chance, would you? :D |
| 02:21.32 | Shadowed | from Shadowd -> Shadowed |
| 02:21.37 | Cairenn | sure |
| 02:21.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, bars/timers |
| 02:22.00 | Shadowed | You can't ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:22.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why I asked... helping a friend play with his UI, and he asked about this |
| 02:22.30 | ScytheBlade1 | So I went poking, saw Ace libs and said "whatever I'll just ask him" |
| 02:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 02:22.47 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:22.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Even if you modify the source? ;) |
| 02:22.55 | Shadowed | Nope |
| 02:22.58 | Shadowed | Well sort of |
| 02:23.01 | Shadowed | You could technically modify GTB-1.0 |
| 02:23.06 | Shadowed | But any newer revision would overwrite it |
| 02:23.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Right, yeah, I mentioned that to him |
| 02:23.30 | Shadowed | But GTB-1.0 is supposed to be really simplewhich is why I don't add font |
| 02:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | How many addons embed GTB-1.0 by chance? |
| 02:24.29 | Neuro_Medivh | well, you COULD hack the gibson, upload your modified GTB-1.0 into the Garbage file, and do it that way |
| 02:25.22 | Shadowed | Basically all of mine |
| 02:25.24 | Shadowed | that use bars |
| 02:25.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm k, all right |
| 02:25.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks, we shall go a-poking |
| 02:28.37 | Shirik | Shadowed: It's about time you asked for that change |
| 02:28.41 | Shirik | out of curiosity, why wasn't it always that way? :) |
| 02:28.47 | Shadowed | I don't know |
| 02:28.50 | Shadowed | I think it might have been taken |
| 02:29.28 | Shadowed | I made that account uh |
| 02:30.03 | Jamash | goddamnit wow what good is "attempt to concatenate a nil value" without a line number |
| 02:30.15 | Shadowed | I dunno when actually, but it's UID 26k out of 100k, so probably a while ago |
| 02:31.48 | Shadowed | Yea someone has Shadowed already Shirik |
| 02:31.54 | Shadowed | Thats probably why |
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| 02:32.08 | Shirik | Jamash: It should give you a line number |
| 02:32.13 | Jamash | yes, it should |
| 02:32.17 | Shirik | if you don't get a line number, then you did something extremely unusual |
| 02:32.22 | Jamash | Apparently so |
| 02:32.23 | Shirik | in fact, no |
| 02:32.29 | Shirik | I can't think of any way to not get a line number |
| 02:32.31 | Corrodias | i input lua through my pants interface |
| 02:32.36 | Shadowed | Nevermind then Cairenn :p |
| 02:32.40 | Corrodias | my pants do not have line numbers |
| 02:32.42 | Jamash | You can imagine my consternation, then, Shirik |
| 02:32.56 | Shirik | Jamash: I would attribute your lack of a line number to your inability to find it, rather than to the Lua subsystem |
| 02:33.00 | Shadowed | hmm maybe Shadowed is me |
| 02:33.01 | Jamash | haha |
| 02:33.14 | Corrodias | it's possible that it's some "error handling" function giving him the text without the whole error |
| 02:33.14 | Shirik | even loadstring()'ed functions will give a line number |
| 02:33.27 | Shirik | Corrodias: Then he should find a better error handler :) |
| 02:33.44 | Corrodias | yes! |
| 02:34.06 | bleeter | next idiot who posts 'omg the servers crashed tell us why' in the beta customer support forum, I'm gunna reach down the intartoobs and smash their face |
| 02:34.10 | Corrodias | introducing: CorrPants. just stick it in (tm). |
| 02:34.13 | Shirik | lua> pcall(function() return {}[1]() end) |
| 02:34.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '[' |
| 02:34.24 | Shirik | lua> pcall(function() return ({})[1]() end) |
| 02:34.25 | lua_bot | Shirik: false, luabot:1: attempt to call field '?' (a nil value) |
| 02:34.26 | Cairenn | Shadowed: he hasn't logged in since Nov 05 :p |
| 02:34.30 | Shirik | Even pcall gives you a line number |
| 02:34.35 | Shirik | I don't see any way to do it |
| 02:34.42 | Shadowed | Maybe that is me... |
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| 02:35.06 | Jamash | New and exciting adventures in debugging embedded Lua |
| 02:37.03 | Jamash | I think it's print() that threw up the error |
| 02:37.03 | Shirik | Jamash: Did you override the error handler? |
| 02:37.12 | Jamash | Nope |
| 02:37.13 | Shirik | Jamash: print can't change the error message |
| 02:37.15 | Shirik | it can only throw errors |
| 02:37.28 | Shirik | print has no effect on the form of reporting errors |
| 02:37.48 | Jamash | lua> print(a, nil) |
| 02:37.48 | lua_bot | Jamash: nil, nil |
| 02:37.59 | Shadowed | There you go ScytheBlade1 :p |
| 02:38.01 | Jamash | see the print in this interpreter is smarter than the one in wow |
| 02:38.24 | Shirik | Jamash: WoW does not have a print() |
| 02:38.33 | Xuerian | It'd be nice if it did >_< |
| 02:38.36 | Jamash | it does now! |
| 02:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: ? |
| 02:38.43 | Shirik | Again, I reiterate |
| 02:38.47 | Shadowed | Renamed to Shadowed :p |
| 02:38.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: oh the name? haha |
| 02:38.50 | Shirik | print, even if it did exist, cannot change the form of an error |
| 02:38.53 | Shirik | it can merely THROW an error |
| 02:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 02:38.57 | Jamash | And yet somehow, it does |
| 02:39.00 | Shadowed | Thanks to cair! |
| 02:39.00 | Shirik | The form of presenting that error is up to the error handler |
| 02:39.04 | Shirik | No, Jamash, it does not |
| 02:39.19 | Jamash | seriously, go into WotLK beta and type /run print(nil, nil) |
| 02:39.25 | Shirik | try to get this through your head, you either (A) have something handling errors poorly, or (B) are not reading your error information intelligently |
| 02:39.30 | kd3 | is that sans mods? |
| 02:39.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: to pick your brain real quick again... http://wowi.pastey.net/94489 <-- line 626, I could in theory just replace that with static values? |
| 02:39.38 | Shirik | It. Cannot. Change. Error. Handling. |
| 02:39.42 | Shirik | This is built into Lua |
| 02:39.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: err, I think on the API diff we got print() |
| 02:39.53 | Jamash | kd3: yes |
| 02:39.54 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1:Fair enough. It still can't change how Lua handles errors |
| 02:39.55 | Shadowed | Yes ScytheBlade1, that should be correct |
| 02:40.08 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: Wee, finally |
| 02:40.10 | Shadowed | As far as I know, I don't set the font again anywhere else |
| 02:40.16 | Jamash | I'm not arguing, I'm just reporting behavior |
| 02:40.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://apidiff.pastey.net/94420/434 |
| 02:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: okay, hot, thanks |
| 02:40.40 | Shirik | Jamash: You're reporting it wrong |
| 02:40.43 | Shirik | and making assumptions |
| 02:40.47 | Jamash | D: |
| 02:40.49 | ScytheBlade1 | We also got debug, getprinthandler, and setprinthandler |
| 02:40.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 02:40.56 | Shirik | This is built into Lua |
| 02:41.01 | Shirik | error messages are pushed onto the stack |
| 02:41.07 | Shirik | The error handler defines how that information is pulled back out |
| 02:41.21 | Corrodias | guys stop it! you're going to make Shirik's brain segfault! |
| 02:41.26 | Shirik | you cannot stop that from happening, except with pcall |
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| 02:41.30 | Shirik | pcall returns a string with the error message |
| 02:41.35 | Shirik | The string has the line number |
| 02:41.41 | Jamash | Can I get more informative error information than the default message() popups? |
| 02:42.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:42.17 | Shirik | however, unless it has changed in wotlk (I haven't checked), it should be in those, too |
| 02:42.48 | Shirik | however, you SHOULD install a better error handler |
| 02:42.56 | Shirik | Attempting to debug with the default handler is... well... painful |
| 02:42.58 | Neuro_Medivh | Like bugsack |
| 02:43.19 | Jamash | I'm relatively new at this, so I don't know these things |
| 02:44.29 | Shirik | Ok, well let's start off without making assumptions |
| 02:44.35 | Shirik | What, exactly, does the message you see say |
| 02:44.47 | Shirik | Character for character |
| 02:44.58 | Shirik | Including any quotes, dots, upside down question marks, or whatever |
| 02:45.04 | Jamash | attempt to concatenate a nil value |
| 02:45.15 | Jamash | ^ the entire message |
| 02:45.29 | Shirik | If I could log onto wowtest right now I would, unfortunately I can't |
| 02:45.38 | Corrodias | screenshot? |
| 02:45.44 | Shirik | Yeah, I agree with Corrodias |
| 02:45.51 | bleeter | I'm seeing the same |
| 02:45.58 | Shirik | that's stupid |
| 02:46.00 | Corrodias | (not that i could do anything with it, i'm just suggesting) |
| 02:46.01 | bleeter | one other member of <Secure Templars> is, too |
| 02:46.14 | Shirik | ok, that being said |
| 02:46.19 | bleeter | that is, an error handler, from /run print(nil,nil), indicating concat of nil val |
| 02:46.29 | Shirik | Jamash, go install an error handler. Swatter, bugsack, something |
| 02:46.33 | Jamash | OK |
| 02:46.46 | Neuro_Medivh | there's a wotlk working version of bugsack I know |
| 02:46.49 | Shirik | And accept my apologies about not believing you sooner. |
| 02:46.55 | Shirik | It still sounds incredibly stupid |
| 02:47.14 | Jamash | no worries, it actually is incredibly stupid |
| 02:47.27 | Shirik | I'd honestly like to know how they got all the way to beta, debugging problems, without any full information |
| 02:47.36 | Shirik | In fact, on second though |
| 02:47.40 | Shirik | thought* |
| 02:47.48 | Shirik | That requires active coding |
| 02:47.49 | Xuerian | It's alright. If programmers gave up when they were told they were wrong, we'd have a lot less branches, less competition, an less useful stuff |
| 02:47.55 | Xuerian | >.> |
| 02:48.01 | Shirik | You need to go out and parse the error message |
| 02:48.07 | Shirik | When you get the error originally, it HAS the line number |
| 02:48.12 | Shirik | So you have to strip that from it... |
| 02:48.15 | Shirik | why on earth would you do that |
| 02:48.53 | Neuro_Medivh | it's a security feature installed by Vista |
| 02:48.58 | Corrodias | maybe if you ask on the UI forum, someone will answer |
| 02:49.07 | Shirik | And yes, I have had a horrible day and that's why I sound angry at the world |
| 02:49.21 | Neuro_Medivh | to be fair, Shirik, the world probably deserves it |
| 02:50.12 | Jamash | BugSack says the same thing O_O |
| 02:50.34 | Shirik | does it have a stack trace? |
| 02:51.13 | Jamash | ah, it says it occurred in C code called from C code called from RestrictedEnvironment.lua:50 in function `print' |
| 02:51.24 | Arrowmaster | lol? |
| 02:51.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 02:51.33 | Corrodias | jigga wha? |
| 02:51.37 | ScytheBlade1 | *That* is why we got our print() function |
| 02:51.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, win |
| 02:52.00 | ScytheBlade1 | And likewise printhandler |
| 02:52.30 | Shirik | Jamash: That'll explain it then |
| 02:52.39 | bleeter | bwhahahaha |
| 02:52.46 | Arrowmaster | hmm do i need to go modify !BugGrabber to catch the restricted print() function? |
| 02:52.49 | Shirik | imo, that's not proper functionality and should be reported, Jamash |
| 02:53.02 | Duman | server = not happy |
| 02:53.06 | Jamash | line 50 of RestrictedEnvironmentl.lua sez: securecall(pcall, print_inner, ...); |
| 02:53.09 | bleeter | Jamash: aye, what Shirik said, buggy. |
| 02:53.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: maybe - checkingo what printhandler is/does too |
| 02:53.24 | ScytheBlade1 | *into |
| 02:54.46 | Shirik | The real issue, imo, is that print_inner has a Lua-triggered error in C |
| 02:54.49 | Jamash | and print inner calls LOCAL_PrintHandler, which in turn calls... DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(strjoin(" ", ...)) |
| 02:54.57 | Shirik | instead, either print_inner should call error with appropriate stack level |
| 02:55.07 | Shirik | or should validate its arguments |
| 02:55.15 | Shirik | Actually |
| 02:55.16 | Shirik | better yet |
| 02:55.17 | Duman | heh |
| 02:55.23 | Shirik | print_inner should be calling tostring() on its arguments |
| 02:55.30 | Jamash | I don't know why it's not giving an error on strjoin |
| 02:55.30 | Duman | someone find an interesting bug? |
| 02:55.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, no |
| 02:55.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That was me |
| 02:55.52 | Arrowmaster | whats the bug? calling print_inner(nil)? |
| 02:56.02 | Shirik | in any case, it's not my judgement to make |
| 02:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Asking if you knew of a good ipv6 subnetting util/etc :) |
| 02:56.10 | Shirik | fact of the matter is, Jamash, the error that's occurring is not elegant |
| 02:56.14 | Shirik | and should be reported |
| 02:56.22 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Rather the way errors are occurring, imo |
| 02:56.35 | Shirik | It's ok for print_inner(nil) to throw an error imo |
| 02:56.42 | Shirik | But it's not ok for it to throw the kind of error it is |
| 02:56.53 | bleeter | kd3/shirik and other *nix curious folks: bwhahahahah http://www.google.com.au/search?q=debian+net+installer+image |
| 02:56.59 | Jamash | yeah I'll post it on the UI forum |
| 02:57.16 | Shirik | sorry about that whole mess :) |
| 02:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf @ second image |
| 02:57.23 | Shirik | We get a lot of .... stupid people here Jamash |
| 02:57.33 | Shirik | it's easier for me to assume such when I've had a bad day |
| 02:57.40 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: indeed, wtf ;) |
| 02:57.55 | Shirik | actually I have to say.... this channel has less stupid people than most |
| 02:57.55 | Corrodias | people like me |
| 02:58.10 | Shirik | No Corrodias, you're willing to not make assumptions about something you don't understand |
| 02:58.34 | Shirik | there are too many people in the world that will immediately assume it's not their fault or not something they did when something goes wrong |
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| 02:59.10 | Shirik | So I choose to assume that it was their fault until proven otherwise. |
| 02:59.19 | Shirik | As evident now, that is not always the best course of action :) |
| 02:59.42 | Arrowmaster | i disagree |
| 02:59.56 | bleeter | me too |
| 03:00.01 | bleeter | we all know it's Cide's fault |
| 03:00.07 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 03:00.10 | Shirik | no see Cide is ok |
| 03:00.23 | Shirik | Cide recognizes certain programming traits which I consider to be key to any good programmer |
| 03:00.30 | Shirik | such as spaces > tabs |
| 03:00.40 | Shirik | and that j > i |
| 03:00.40 | Cide | ^ |
| 03:00.42 | Cide | wait |
| 03:00.45 | Cide | NO |
| 03:00.45 | bleeter | doesn't stop everything being his fault |
| 03:00.47 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:00.49 | Shirik | that was so much win |
| 03:00.50 | Shirik | omg |
| 03:00.50 | Arrowmaster | tabs > spaces |
| 03:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:00.57 | Cide | dude |
| 03:00.58 | Cide | don't start |
| 03:00.59 | Drundia | tabs > spaces but j > i |
| 03:01.00 | Cide | I'll kill you |
| 03:01.00 | bleeter | pmsfl |
| 03:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | irl rofl |
| 03:01.07 | Corrodias | tabs == spaces |
| 03:01.11 | Corrodias | in your MIND |
| 03:01.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: not for me, actually. :P |
| 03:01.23 | Drundia | 1 tab > 1 space |
| 03:01.27 | Shirik | <3 Cide |
| 03:01.27 | Corrodias | they do now |
| 03:01.31 | Cide | I hate everyone |
| 03:01.34 | Shirik | However, Cide, you love Python |
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| 03:01.37 | Cide | I do |
| 03:01.37 | Shirik | and Python love j |
| 03:01.41 | Shirik | therefore you love j |
| 03:01.50 | Shirik | If we can prove that love obeys the transitive property, which I believe it does |
| 03:01.54 | Cide | I love my girlfriend, but she sings songs I hate |
| 03:01.57 | Cide | I still hate the songs |
| 03:02.06 | Shirik | then she obviously sings songs she hates |
| 03:02.06 | bleeter | tape up her mouth? |
| 03:02.09 | Shirik | nothing wrong with that |
| 03:02.29 | Drundia | oh noes, i don't even remember what transitive property is |
| 03:02.41 | Shirik | if a = b and b = c then a = c |
| 03:02.44 | Cide | ^ |
| 03:02.46 | Drundia | ah, that |
| 03:02.52 | Cide | or, a->b and b->c, therefore a->c |
| 03:02.54 | Corrodias | bleeter: please, start down that road and i'll have to hide from the police :d |
| 03:02.55 | Cide | in logic |
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| 03:04.29 | Cide | hey Shirik, what algorithm would you use to solve http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems&id=67 ? |
| 03:04.29 | Shirik | ~lart Cide |
| 03:04.29 | purl | whips out his power stapler and staples Cide's foot to the floor |
| 03:04.34 | Shirik | it's p, q, r |
| 03:04.35 | Cide | I've already decided on one |
| 03:04.38 | Cide | ya ya |
| 03:04.41 | Cide | I just used your letters |
| 03:04.47 | Cide | just curious what you would pick |
| 03:05.10 | Shirik | Tanking kara, can't do it right now |
| 03:05.13 | Shirik | will get back to you soon |
| 03:05.14 | Cide | stop tanking |
| 03:05.18 | Cide | start thinking |
| 03:05.19 | Arrowmaster | lol i cant install the latest beta patch |
| 03:05.28 | Arrowmaster | fucking thing needs 2.2gb |
| 03:05.35 | Shirik | also, cide, fyi, I haven't looked at it |
| 03:05.41 | Cide | ah |
| 03:05.47 | Shirik | but I rarely know algorithm names :) I'm a computer engineer, not a computer scientist |
| 03:06.00 | Shirik | I know sort algorithms, etc. The basic stuff |
| 03:06.00 | Duman | ARGH |
| 03:06.04 | Shirik | nothing fancy |
| 03:06.11 | Cide | I don't know many algorithm names either |
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| 03:06.24 | Shirik | I dunno what it's asking but just fair warning :) |
| 03:06.50 | Shirik | for the record though |
| 03:06.54 | Shirik | I rule at merge sort |
| 03:07.03 | Shirik | after that vision processing crap omg >< |
| 03:07.11 | Shirik | trying to sort 2 million pixels |
| 03:07.17 | Cide | haha |
| 03:07.17 | Shirik | at 30 fps |
| 03:07.24 | Arrowmaster | ? |
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| 03:08.29 | Cide | hmm |
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| 03:08.50 | Duman | hrm |
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| 03:10.39 | Cide | >>> 10^9 |
| 03:10.39 | Cide | Cide: 1000000000 |
| 03:11.19 | Shirik | >>> 3.0 * 0.1 == 0.3 |
| 03:11.19 | Cide | Shirik: false |
| 03:11.40 | Shirik | I no longer trust your calculations |
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| 03:11.42 | Cide | that's just bad |
| 03:12.24 | Cide | >>> from decimal import Decimal |
| 03:12.24 | Cide | >>> Decimal("3.0") * Decimal("0.1") == Decimal("0.3") |
| 03:12.24 | Cide | True |
| 03:12.37 | Shirik | on one side, I think that should be compile time folded to a constant |
| 03:12.44 | Shirik | On another side, gcc also says "false" |
| 03:12.50 | Shirik | so I'm not sure which I would prefer |
| 03:12.57 | Cide | the binary representation is fairly far away from 0.3 |
| 03:12.59 | Cide | 0.30000000000000004 |
| 03:13.05 | Shirik | yup |
| 03:14.04 | Shirik | >>> 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 == 1 |
| 03:14.05 | Cide | Shirik: true |
| 03:14.15 | Shirik | I think 3.0 * 0.1 is the canonical example taught in class |
| 03:14.23 | Cide | >>> 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 == 1 |
| 03:14.23 | Cide | False |
| 03:14.24 | Cide | !!! |
| 03:14.36 | Shirik | stop lying |
| 03:14.40 | Drundia | >>> floor((0.1+0.7)*10)==8 |
| 03:14.40 | Shirik | fake botr |
| 03:14.40 | Cide | Drundia: false |
| 03:14.41 | Cide | python says so |
| 03:14.42 | Shirik | fake bot* |
| 03:14.51 | Cide | I copied from the python interpreter |
| 03:15.07 | Cide | python says it's false! |
| 03:16.07 | Corrodias | does python treat 1 and 3 as floating point numbers? |
| 03:16.20 | Cide | python does integer division :P |
| 03:16.39 | End | lua only has one number type |
| 03:16.41 | Corrodias | >>> 1/3 |
| 03:16.41 | Cide | Corrodias: 0.33333333333333 |
| 03:16.44 | Corrodias | gasp. |
| 03:16.58 | Shirik | Cide: python capitalizes true/false? |
| 03:16.59 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:17.03 | Cide | yes |
| 03:17.12 | Shirik | is it a keyword? |
| 03:17.15 | Cide | yes |
| 03:17.16 | End | it capitalizes None as well instead of use null ;-p |
| 03:17.17 | Corrodias | wait... then how do you get integers? a floor function? |
| 03:17.26 | End | Corrodias: in lua? you don't |
| 03:17.42 | Shirik | Who the hell capitalizes keywords |
| 03:17.43 | Shirik | seriously |
| 03:17.48 | Drundia | you compile lua with integers instead |
| 03:17.51 | Jamash | never try to use == on floating point numbers, it just ends in tears |
| 03:18.03 | Cide | Shirik: it's a type, not a keyword |
| 03:18.04 | Shirik | Jamash: If that were true, you should never use == on numbers in Lua |
| 03:18.08 | Cide | type(True) == bool |
| 03:18.19 | Jamash | although APL has a comparison tolerance parameter that lets you sort of squeak by |
| 03:18.20 | Drundia | Shirik, you don't love python any more? |
| 03:18.31 | Drundia | (with capitalized keywords) |
| 03:18.38 | Corrodias | End: now, come on, if there were no way to drop the mantissa from a number, Lua would seem pretty crippled to me |
| 03:18.44 | Cide | most languages have a certain tolerance for floating point comparisons |
| 03:18.53 | Cide | python's is around 10^-16 |
| 03:18.59 | Cide | I believe |
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| 03:19.15 | Jamash | Shirik: you got me, I meant "never use == on floating point numbers with fractional parts" |
| 03:19.18 | End | Corrodias: does it look crippled? |
| 03:19.27 | Tango0 | hey guys what up? |
| 03:19.38 | Drundia | you can never be sure if it has fractional part |
| 03:19.47 | Corrodias | no, which is why i suspect your response of being incorrect. yet i don't know whether i want to look for something. |
| 03:20.04 | Shirik | Drundia: I NEVER loved python |
| 03:20.06 | Shirik | python is evil |
| 03:20.08 | Shirik | almost as bad as perl |
| 03:20.09 | Corrodias | End: http://luanet.net/lua/function/math.floor |
| 03:20.11 | Tango0 | do you guys know anyway i might be able to do some quest in strangelthorn beacuse the never give a location |
| 03:20.20 | Jamash | I like perl |
| 03:20.26 | Shirik | nobody "likes" perl |
| 03:20.31 | Shirik | they merely choose to live with the pain |
| 03:20.43 | Shirik | under the guise of liking it |
| 03:21.00 | Drundia | you should like <purl> Example: lart #perl everyone perl \=\= lamerville |
| 03:21.23 | Shirik | My classic example: while(<=>) |
| 03:21.27 | Shirik | whoever let that be a statement needs to be shot |
| 03:21.35 | Jamash | don't you mean while(<>) |
| 03:21.41 | Shirik | <=> is an operator too |
| 03:21.44 | Shirik | iirc |
| 03:21.48 | Drundia | what does it mean? :O |
| 03:21.51 | Corrodias | what could it mean? |
| 03:21.54 | Shirik | I don't pretend to know Perl, but I have been told it is an operator |
| 03:21.56 | Drundia | but yes, shoot him please |
| 03:22.25 | Shirik | Corrodias That's the best part |
| 03:22.31 | Shirik | When I asked that |
| 03:22.35 | Jamash | while(<>) reads lines in from all files specified on the command line or and standard input |
| 03:22.44 | Shirik | to my friend (who knows perl rather well), he said "it basically means whatever is most convenient at the time" |
| 03:22.49 | Jamash | s/or and/and or/ |
| 03:22.55 | Corrodias | i'm not sure what to make of that |
| 03:23.16 | Jamash | it's pretty heinous, I don't use it except in itty bitty scripts |
| 03:23.22 | Shirik | Here it is |
| 03:23.26 | Shirik | ~wiki spaceship operator |
| 03:23.31 | Shirik | And I thought he made that name up.... |
| 03:24.07 | Jamash | oh yeah spaceship is awesome for writing comparison functions |
| 03:24.13 | Corrodias | aha |
| 03:24.18 | End | Corrodias: I actually went it checked, to make sure I wasn't being stupid |
| 03:24.22 | End | it is a double |
| 03:24.31 | End | math.floor uses the floor() c function |
| 03:24.33 | kd3 | crap. dominoes is broken in drak'tharon |
| 03:24.36 | Corrodias | so it's an operator form of what java uses .compareTo(x) for |
| 03:24.40 | End | which takes and returns a double |
| 03:24.43 | Shirik | while(<=>) is somehow legal because the first and second parameters are implied |
| 03:24.52 | Shirik | This is what I can't stand about perl -- how much is implyable |
| 03:24.54 | Corrodias | End: i'm not suggesting Lua doesn't still use it as a floating point number |
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| 03:25.04 | Corrodias | i guess my question was badly worded |
| 03:25.08 | End | Then what are you suggesting? |
| 03:25.49 | Jamash | whaddaya know, it is legal |
| 03:25.54 | Jamash | I never would have guessed |
| 03:26.07 | Corrodias | that's what i meant; how can you get the result as if it had been integer division. you know, 1/3 == 0. |
| 03:26.36 | Corrodias | i realize that isn't what i -said-, thus the confusion |
| 03:26.47 | Shirik | Corrodias: Conditional floor it |
| 03:26.47 | End | math.floor(1/3) == 0? |
| 03:26.57 | Corrodias | i believe that's what i just said, yes |
| 03:27.00 | End | ah |
| 03:27.03 | End | I see |
| 03:27.05 | PProvost|away | Anyone know of a lightweight addon for keeping my chat window in the same position across my toons? Not looking for anything huge and figured I'd ask before writing some code. |
| 03:27.05 | Corrodias | Shirik: conditional? |
| 03:27.18 | Shirik | You need to handle the negative case correctly :) |
| 03:27.27 | End | Shirik: you and your details! |
| 03:27.37 | Corrodias | good point. thanks; i'll try to remember that. |
| 03:27.43 | End | Shirik: I just wanted to have some buggy code! |
| 03:28.06 | Shirik | Corrodias: Ran into that WAY too many times in the past |
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| 03:29.48 | Shirik | I'm trying to think of the easiest way to do it, really |
| 03:29.53 | Jamash | lua> math.floor(-1/3) |
| 03:29.53 | lua_bot | Jamash: -1 |
| 03:30.04 | Shirik | I don't like the simple solution of "if...then...else" |
| 03:30.10 | Shirik | though obviously the most logical |
| 03:30.25 | Shirik | I know! |
| 03:30.29 | Shirik | lua> bit.band |
| 03:30.29 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'bit' (a nil value) |
| 03:30.33 | Shirik | batbot: bit.band |
| 03:30.36 | Shirik | --> bit.band |
| 03:30.36 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "return bit.band"]:1: attempt to index global 'bit' (a nil value) |
| 03:30.39 | Shirik | >>> bit.band |
| 03:30.39 | Cide | Shirik: function: 0031AB10 |
| 03:30.41 | Shirik | there we go |
| 03:30.53 | Shirik | >>> bit.band(-1/3, -1) |
| 03:30.54 | Cide | Shirik: 0 |
| 03:30.57 | Shirik | >>> bit.band(1/3, -1) |
| 03:30.57 | Cide | Shirik: 0 |
| 03:30.59 | Shirik | oh that's win |
| 03:31.07 | Shirik | TOTALLY a hack |
| 03:31.08 | Shirik | but it works |
| 03:31.33 | Jamash | okay doing bitwise operations on negative numbers should get you shot |
| 03:31.47 | Shirik | why? |
| 03:31.57 | Shirik | Two's compliment is your friend :) |
| 03:31.58 | Drundia | >>> bit.band(-1, -1) |
| 03:31.58 | Cide | Drundia: -1 |
| 03:32.01 | Jamash | bah |
| 03:32.11 | Shirik | Sorry, I'm a computer engineer |
| 03:32.16 | Shirik | Everything I think about is in bits, volts, etc. |
| 03:32.23 | Shirik | I love low level |
| 03:32.26 | Corrodias | now i feel like a twat for not knowing what bit.band is |
| 03:32.33 | Corrodias | i'm envisioning musical digits |
| 03:32.33 | End | bitwise and? |
| 03:32.41 | Drundia | >>> bit.bnot(-1) |
| 03:32.41 | Jamash | what if your code runs on a non-twos-complement machine one day? |
| 03:32.42 | Cide | Drundia: 0 |
| 03:32.50 | Drundia | >>> bit.bnot(0) |
| 03:32.50 | Cide | Drundia: -1 |
| 03:32.50 | Corrodias | well, that's kinda cute |
| 03:32.51 | End | Jamash: like that will ever happen :o |
| 03:32.57 | Jamash | yeah I know :P |
| 03:32.59 | Drundia | about as expected |
| 03:33.06 | Shirik | Jamash: In WoW, it won't :) |
| 03:33.06 | Arrowmaster | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/22/136215 *sigh* |
| 03:33.12 | Shirik | We only have PPC and IA |
| 03:33.56 | Shirik | Jamash: More to the point, I'm exploiting the fact that bit.band uses a double->int conversion |
| 03:34.00 | End | I guess Diebold just makes shitty voting machines |
| 03:34.20 | Arrowmaster | yeah and my state was stupid enough to purchase them years ago |
| 03:34.31 | End | (and the whole verifiability thing not existing) |
| 03:34.35 | End | (and other stupid things) |
| 03:34.46 | Corrodias | Shirik: i think i am frightened by what you are suggesting |
| 03:34.47 | Shirik | If it makes you feel better, Jamash |
| 03:34.53 | NightHawkTheSan1 | re: diabold, i Feel compelled to link this: http://xkcd.com/463/ |
| 03:35.00 | Shirik | >>> return bit.band(1/3, 2^32-1) |
| 03:35.00 | Cide | Shirik: 0 |
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| 03:35.05 | Shirik | >>> return bit.band(4/3, 2^32-1) |
| 03:35.05 | Cide | Shirik: 1 |
| 03:35.20 | Shirik | Corrodias: I am too, actually |
| 03:35.21 | Shirik | it's ok |
| 03:36.13 | Drundia | >>> bit.band(0xffffffff, 0xffffffff) |
| 03:36.14 | Cide | Drundia: -1 |
| 03:36.22 | Drundia | hmm, wow prefers positive numbers there |
| 03:36.31 | Shirik | WoW may be looking at 64 bit ints, I dunno |
| 03:36.33 | Drundia | wow bitlib is unsigned |
| 03:36.47 | End | slouken did some weird stuff with bitlib |
| 03:36.49 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:36.51 | Shirik | wierd |
| 03:36.52 | Drundia | no, i see it's 32-bit |
| 03:37.28 | End | yeah, and we're giving it 64 bit numbers |
| 03:37.30 | End | or something |
| 03:37.38 | Drundia | hmmm, some weird stuff? |
| 03:37.48 | Drundia | like what could it be? |
| 03:38.04 | Jamash | it's probably converting doubles to ints and back |
| 03:38.10 | End | I think that's it |
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| 03:38.27 | End | I kinda bitched about what he was doing initially, and he changed it so it sucked less |
| 03:38.38 | End | but it still didn't seem right |
| 03:38.43 | End | I forget now though |
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| 03:40.40 | Drundia | it seems wow bitlib ignores bits more significant than 2^21 |
| 03:40.43 | Drundia | 2^32 even |
| 03:41.41 | Shirik | I would expect that |
| 03:41.50 | Shirik | I'm probably going to be shot for saying this |
| 03:41.53 | Shirik | But bitlib is horrible |
| 03:41.55 | Shirik | absolutely horrible |
| 03:42.09 | Shirik | I've been designing a replacement for it, though it would require IA32 unfortunately |
| 03:42.12 | End | Shirik: are you saying that having used the original bitlib? |
| 03:42.15 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:42.20 | Shirik | I've looked at the code |
| 03:42.22 | End | ah, ok, just wanted to make sure |
| 03:42.37 | Shirik | That's WHY I say it's horrible |
| 03:42.59 | Shirik | It has two faults: Firstly, it casts to an integer. Not only does this mean bitlib can't work for floating point numbers (Thus why I can exploit it to make it floor those numbers) |
| 03:43.06 | Shirik | But it also means it's EXTREMELY slow |
| 03:43.17 | Shirik | because double to int conversion is expensive |
| 03:43.33 | Shirik | It's obvioulsy the most portable and easy solution |
| 03:43.37 | Shirik | I don't think it's the best |
| 03:44.08 | Drundia | how would you perform those operations on doubles? |
| 03:44.15 | Shirik | SSE can help you with this |
| 03:44.22 | Shirik | That's why it would be IA32-specific |
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| 03:46.38 | Corrodias | ~puttin' on the ritz~ |
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| 03:51.23 | End | hm |
| 03:51.28 | End | I see a skeleton here |
| 03:51.34 | End | that gives me an idea |
| 03:51.51 | End | oh wait, I should probably report this place as bad first |
| 03:52.00 | End | btw, guys, don't jump down the well thing |
| 03:52.23 | Shirik | Iriel! |
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| 03:53.03 | Shirik | Can I make a suggestion? |
| 03:53.34 | Iriel | sure? |
| 03:53.46 | Shirik | Either have print() validate its arguments or tostring() them |
| 03:54.05 | Iriel | Shirik: I' |
| 03:54.16 | Iriel | I've requested that we get 'tostringall' |
| 03:54.22 | Shirik | Errors occurring in C code which then results in no helpful message is not fun |
| 03:54.28 | Iriel | otherwise (once my bug is fixed) you can write your own version that does that |
| 03:54.36 | bleeter | Shirik: bollocks, it's the most fun one can have |
| 03:54.41 | bleeter | chasing really obscure bugs :P |
| 03:54.59 | kd3 | but chasing down heisenbugs just barely edges that out in the "fun" factor |
| 03:55.08 | Drundia | Shirik, but how exactly would it deal with it considering internal representation of doubles we have |
| 03:55.19 | Shirik | Drundia: That's why I'm still in the design phase :) |
| 03:55.29 | bleeter | kd3: u r 2 wyz |
| 03:55.31 | Shirik | I know there's some magical shuffling that can work, I just need to figure it out exactly |
| 03:55.37 | bleeter | gah, i gotta stop typing like a moron |
| 03:55.48 | bleeter | just 'coz I am.. doesn't mean i should put it on public display >< |
| 03:56.46 | End | we need to find a big...stick |
| 03:56.52 | End | to poke it extra hard |
| 03:59.48 | Shirik | bleeter: nonsense |
| 03:59.56 | Shirik | Only the fool knows not he is a fool |
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| 04:00.20 | Shirik | If you're willing to admit to your foolishness, then more power to you :) |
| 04:00.59 | bleeter | fool != moron |
| 04:01.40 | Shirik | Cide: ping |
| 04:01.45 | Cide | pong |
| 04:01.59 | Shirik | Is there any form to this triangle? |
| 04:02.02 | Shirik | Or just random numbers? |
| 04:02.06 | Cide | random numbers |
| 04:02.29 | Shirik | okay, I would do something like this. Probably not the best solution, but it is A solution (like I said, computer engineer, not computer scientist) |
| 04:02.39 | Cide | brute force, yay! |
| 04:02.42 | Shirik | I would take all the pairs of numbers and determine their sum. Having done that, I ca... no |
| 04:02.43 | Cide | (I hope not) |
| 04:02.53 | Shirik | Not every path, just every pair |
| 04:03.02 | Shirik | that should be significantly les |
| 04:03.16 | Cide | which pair? |
| 04:03.23 | Shirik | like ok |
| 04:03.31 | Shirik | looking at the sample |
| 04:03.36 | Shirik | at the top row |
| 04:03.37 | Shirik | there are two pairs |
| 04:03.41 | Shirik | 3,7 and 3,5 |
| 04:03.53 | Cide | let me bring it back up |
| 04:03.56 | Cide | or is it |
| 04:03.59 | Cide | 3 \n 7 5 |
| 04:04.01 | Cide | ? |
| 04:04.07 | Shirik | The second row has 7,2; 7,4; 5,4; and 5,6 |
| 04:04.10 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:04.17 | Shirik | 3 \n 7 5 \n 2 4 6 |
| 04:04.17 | Cide | ok, I'm with you |
| 04:04.35 | Shirik | Having done that you can compare the sums in each row and assign a weight to each column |
| 04:04.43 | Shirik | (In fact, the sums can be that weight) |
| 04:05.12 | Tekkub | oh that is pure win |
| 04:05.33 | Tekkub | they took all the old engy tools and toys and made them into a "gnomish army knife" |
| 04:05.43 | End | Tekkub: yea |
| 04:06.03 | End | very needed imo |
| 04:06.12 | Shirik | From here, Cide, you find you have now shrunk the triangle |
| 04:06.29 | Tekkub | yea, and the dual-use tools will be a decent little moneymaker |
| 04:06.42 | Shirik | Now, recall that an equilateral triangle is comprised of 4 equal equaliteral triangles |
| 04:06.45 | Shirik | with me still? |
| 04:06.48 | Cide | sure |
| 04:07.47 | Shirik | Knowing that we can continue on this "divide and conquer" pattern |
| 04:08.02 | Cide | are you sure that will give you the optimal path? |
| 04:08.06 | Shirik | When it gets small enough, we can use my weight algorithm to calculate for this small triangle |
| 04:08.09 | Shirik | No, Cide |
| 04:08.15 | Shirik | But I don't have time to test it :) |
| 04:08.17 | Cide | didn't think so |
| 04:08.18 | Shirik | Or play with it |
| 04:08.25 | Shirik | I think it COULD with some tweaking |
| 04:08.25 | Cide | I don't think it will |
| 04:08.27 | Cide | well, it might |
| 04:08.29 | Shirik | this is me thinking in 5 minutes |
| 04:08.43 | Shirik | at 12:07 AM |
| 04:08.51 | Cide | hey |
| 04:08.53 | Cide | it's 6:08am |
| 04:09.13 | Shirik | However, I have had good results with divide and conquer methods in the past |
| 04:09.16 | Shirik | I don't see why this would be any different |
| 04:09.19 | Cide | well |
| 04:09.27 | Cide | if you figure out the optimal path within each triangle |
| 04:09.28 | Shirik | There _IS_ one big flaw |
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| 04:09.33 | Shirik | that I still haven't worked out in my head |
| 04:09.36 | Cide | it's not certain that the optimal paths will join up |
| 04:09.39 | Shirik | You can't assert that the optimal paths... exactly |
| 04:10.06 | Shirik | for the record, though |
| 04:10.24 | Shirik | The whole "There are 16384 routes" point is crap |
| 04:10.32 | Shirik | You can brute force it without testing every route |
| 04:10.32 | Cide | hm? |
| 04:10.44 | Shirik | If you build a map |
| 04:10.46 | Cide | then you're doing an intelligent brute force :P |
| 04:10.56 | Shirik | You can remember small paths |
| 04:11.08 | Shirik | so that when you redo that path (which will be very common) you already know the answer |
| 04:11.08 | Cide | but that's a kind of divide and conquer, no? |
| 04:11.12 | Shirik | not really |
| 04:11.21 | Shirik | that's a brute force with caching imo :) |
| 04:11.36 | Cide | try this one if you feel like it |
| 04:11.37 | Cide | sec |
| 04:11.42 | Shirik | now? |
| 04:11.53 | Cide | http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems&id=15 |
| 04:12.13 | Cide | it's a simple problem |
| 04:12.26 | Shirik | very simple |
| 04:12.28 | Shirik | that's a math problem |
| 04:12.28 | Cide | can you compute the answer in less than 60 sec? |
| 04:12.32 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:12.50 | Cide | I tried to do it with math and failed :/ |
| 04:13.03 | Cide | my code ran for about .2 sec though |
| 04:13.09 | Shirik | 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20 |
| 04:13.13 | Cide | haha |
| 04:13.13 | Cide | no |
| 04:13.24 | Shirik | hm, why not? |
| 04:13.32 | Shirik | oh sorry, I forgot one attribute |
| 04:13.37 | Cide | the answer is 12 digits long |
| 04:13.55 | Shirik | well look at it this way |
| 04:14.03 | Shirik | Let's call every intersection a node |
| 04:14.07 | Cide | yupyup |
| 04:14.10 | Shirik | every node has two choices: right and down |
| 04:14.14 | Shirik | no questions asked |
| 04:14.17 | Cide | yup |
| 04:14.54 | Corrodias | except the nodes on the sides |
| 04:15.01 | Shirik | right |
| 04:15.18 | Corrodias | i cannot solve this because my brain is in the "off" position |
| 04:15.40 | Shirik | I agree |
| 04:15.54 | Shirik | I need to wake up at 6 AM tomorrow so.... I'll come back to this tomorrow :) |
| 04:16.16 | Shirik | in the mean time, go find how much charge a 100uF capacitor holds when fully charged to 10V |
| 04:16.26 | Shirik | kk Cide? :) |
| 04:17.10 | Shirik | Cide ignores me :( |
| 04:17.13 | Cide | go ahead |
| 04:17.18 | Cide | I already solved it ;) |
| 04:17.24 | Shirik | you used google |
| 04:17.35 | Cide | nope |
| 04:17.37 | Cide | my lua solution is 214 chars |
| 04:17.45 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:17.50 | Shirik | I thought you meant the capacitance problem |
| 04:17.53 | Cide | oh |
| 04:17.56 | Cide | no |
| 04:18.02 | Cide | I've never dealt with capacitance |
| 04:18.22 | Shirik | I imagine it can't be hard Cide |
| 04:18.24 | Shirik | I just can't think right now |
| 04:18.30 | Cide | want to see the solution? |
| 04:18.32 | Shirik | no! |
| 04:18.34 | Shirik | I want to do it |
| 04:18.35 | Cide | I figured as much |
| 04:18.40 | Shirik | It gives me something to think about while driving for 6 hours |
| 04:18.41 | Cide | divide and conquer works great |
| 04:18.51 | Cide | as usual |
| 04:18.51 | Shirik | see! |
| 04:18.52 | Shirik | Told you! |
| 04:18.59 | End | lol |
| 04:19.05 | Cide | have you never done these problems Shirik? |
| 04:19.08 | Shirik | nope |
| 04:19.10 | Cide | you should |
| 04:19.13 | Shirik | Told you, not a computer scientist |
| 04:19.18 | Cide | don't have to be one |
| 04:19.23 | Shirik | oh you mean on this site |
| 04:19.23 | Cide | I invent my own algorithms for them |
| 04:19.26 | Cide | ya |
| 04:20.22 | Shirik | I'll try them :) |
| 04:20.27 | Shirik | If anything it will help me get better at this |
| 04:20.33 | Shirik | I live too much in the low level world |
| 04:20.47 | Shirik | I'm content with seeing nothing but bits and opcodes |
| 04:20.51 | Cide | haha |
| 04:21.36 | Cide | memoization is crucial though |
| 04:21.46 | Cide | for most problems |
| 04:21.58 | Shirik | well, hell, this does become a simple problem |
| 04:22.01 | Shirik | I'm going to do it right now >.> |
| 04:22.16 | Shirik | no I'm not |
| 04:22.19 | Cide | haha |
| 04:22.21 | Cide | why not? |
| 04:22.23 | Shirik | but I have an idea in my head |
| 04:22.28 | Shirik | because I need to be up in 5 hours.... |
| 04:22.32 | Cide | weak |
| 04:22.34 | Cide | what idea? |
| 04:22.41 | Shirik | C++ idea :) |
| 04:22.44 | Cide | also |
| 04:22.56 | Cide | nevermind |
| 04:22.59 | Shirik | with divide and conquer techniques :) |
| 04:23.29 | Shirik | anyway |
| 04:23.30 | Shirik | pz!! |
| 04:23.43 | Cide | night |
| 04:24.13 | Shirik|zZz | ok |
| 04:24.21 | Shirik|zZz | who the HELL puts the power button on the remote control at the BOTTOM |
| 04:24.35 | Shirik|zZz | took me like 2 minutes to find it |
| 04:25.27 | Corrodias | suddent. sudden. |
| 04:25.57 | Cide | recursive works fine |
| 04:26.10 | Cide | object oriented is probably overkill :) |
| 04:26.30 | Shirik|zZz | f that |
| 04:26.35 | Shirik|zZz | object oriented is never overkill! |
| 04:26.40 | Cide | yes, yes it is :P |
| 04:26.56 | Cide | "find the lowest integer from the set [5, 3, 15]!" |
| 04:27.06 | Corrodias | it could do it, but i'm sure a simple algebraic function can give the value for any size of grid |
| 04:27.10 | Shirik|zZz | maybe it wasn't C++ |
| 04:27.11 | Cide | you could so use that for the problem above, Shirik|zZz. |
| 04:27.14 | Shirik|zZz | but it was something like that |
| 04:27.35 | Cide | I tried this problem with a recursive algorithm btw |
| 04:27.36 | Cide | err |
| 04:27.39 | Cide | object oriented |
| 04:27.40 | Cide | bad idea |
| 04:27.45 | Cide | I let it ran for over 15 minutes |
| 04:27.45 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 04:27.49 | Cide | s/ran/run/ |
| 04:27.56 | Shirik|zZz | Cide: Are you implying that object orientation makes it slower? |
| 04:28.01 | Cide | yes :P |
| 04:28.06 | Shirik|zZz | in Lua, perhaps |
| 04:28.08 | Shirik|zZz | in C++, no |
| 04:28.14 | Cide | yes |
| 04:28.16 | Cide | in this case, yes |
| 04:28.25 | Shirik|zZz | ok, maybe if you write it like crap |
| 04:28.27 | Corrodias | can you imagine an efficiently-written solution using OO just to find the lowest integer? |
| 04:28.35 | Cide | ^ |
| 04:28.50 | Cide | Shirik|zZz: when you've come up with a solution |
| 04:28.57 | Shirik|zZz | I don't see why that would be any slower |
| 04:29.02 | Cide | I'll show you mine and we'll see if you can make an equally performing oo-solution :P |
| 04:29.17 | Shirik|zZz | class set { int* nums; size_t count; int min() const; } |
| 04:29.28 | Cide | that's just fail |
| 04:29.29 | kd3 | rofl... the siege catapults in wintergrasp can launch friendlies |
| 04:29.38 | Shirik|zZz | why would the fact that I put min() in my class be any slower? |
| 04:29.39 | Cide | that's not object orientation though |
| 04:29.42 | Shirik|zZz | sure it is! |
| 04:29.44 | Shirik|zZz | My set is an object! |
| 04:29.48 | Cide | that's encapsulation |
| 04:29.54 | Shirik|zZz | it's an object... |
| 04:30.00 | Corrodias | use Integers with a comparator, drop each item into a sorted list collection, and then return the first item from the list. lul. |
| 04:30.11 | Shirik|zZz | .... Corrodias |
| 04:30.14 | Shirik|zZz | that's brilliant |
| 04:30.34 | Shirik|zZz | if you can assert that you'll never remove an item from a list |
| 04:30.40 | Shirik|zZz | the min() function becomes O(1) |
| 04:30.57 | Shirik|zZz | your insert() function is O(1) |
| 04:31.04 | Shirik|zZz | and all that changes is how many times you call insert() |
| 04:31.09 | Cide | how is it O(1)? |
| 04:31.14 | Shirik|zZz | Because |
| 04:31.23 | Shirik|zZz | all you need to store is the smallest number |
| 04:31.27 | Shirik|zZz | who cares about the rest |
| 04:31.30 | Cide | lol |
| 04:31.46 | Cide | if you pass it one number at a time |
| 04:31.49 | Shirik|zZz | yup |
| 04:31.53 | Cide | you already have the smallest number through the iteration alone |
| 04:32.05 | Shirik|zZz | I don't actually know what you're trying to solve :) |
| 04:32.10 | Shirik|zZz | You merely asked how too find the smallest number |
| 04:32.13 | Corrodias | there's also just int value = max; for( int i = 0; i < array.length; i++ ) { if( array[i] < value ) value = array[i]; } return value; |
| 04:32.13 | Shirik|zZz | I answered |
| 04:32.18 | Corrodias | for a reasonable solution |
| 04:32.31 | Shirik|zZz | Corrodias: That search is O(n), and you also have to generate the array, though :) |
| 04:32.37 | Shirik|zZz | Actually, it's best-case O(n) |
| 04:32.38 | Mike-N-Go | Is an author whose name is 'foo-bar' on WoWInterface present? |
| 04:32.49 | Cide | it's any-case O(n) :P |
| 04:32.54 | Shirik|zZz | Mike-N-Go: I remember that name from somewhere, why do you ask? |
| 04:33.09 | Shirik|zZz | Cide: You forget to account for hardware technicalities :) |
| 04:33.18 | Shirik|zZz | What if your array crosses a cache line split? |
| 04:33.19 | Mike-N-Go | He wrote http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10518-LiteTip.html for the beta. |
| 04:33.21 | Corrodias | we were given an array, i think; i don't think inserting 3 numbers into a list collection will be quicker, especially if it orders them when you insert |
| 04:33.22 | Neuro_Medivh | did they change how you summon mounts again? My mount macro is broken once again |
| 04:33.22 | Cide | the algorithm is O(n) |
| 04:33.27 | Corrodias | lol |
| 04:33.33 | Shirik|zZz | ok |
| 04:33.39 | Cide | talking big O notation, you're dealing with the algorithm complexity :P |
| 04:33.47 | Mike-N-Go | I am to give him feedback on it, seeing if he is hear before I make a comment on his mod. |
| 04:33.50 | Corrodias | assume a spherical cow with milk evenly distributed throughout |
| 04:33.55 | Shirik|zZz | I'm going to make big P notation |
| 04:33.56 | Cide | I wonder what python uses to implement heapq |
| 04:34.00 | Shirik|zZz | which deals with hardware complexity |
| 04:34.02 | Cide | not __lt__ :/ |
| 04:34.05 | Cide | haha |
| 04:34.21 | Cide | make it big OSH$%# notation |
| 04:34.28 | Shirik|zZz | Ok |
| 04:34.31 | Drundia | Shirik|zZz knows too many big letter notations |
| 04:34.53 | Shirik|zZz | its worst-case complexity is OSH$%#(n^2) |
| 04:34.53 | Drundia | Cide also knows very complex character list notations |
| 04:35.47 | Shirik|zZz | This accounts for the fact that memory pages may be 1 byte long, and the OS has set your pages on different sticks |
| 04:35.52 | Shirik|zZz | lol |
| 04:36.08 | Shirik|zZz | Okay, I really need to go to sleep |
| 04:36.11 | Shirik|zZz | I'm turning into a nutcase |
| 04:36.15 | NeoTron | so I take it that the last patch broke the beta servers pretty much? |
| 04:36.20 | Drundia | you can't think about so bad OS even if it has "Microsoft" around its name |
| 04:36.50 | Cide | GRR PYTHON |
| 04:36.53 | Cide | WHY DO YOU HATE ME |
| 04:36.54 | Shirik|zZz | EXACTLY |
| 04:36.55 | Neuro_Medivh | So, what's the new command for using mounts? They must have changed it in the last patch |
| 04:36.58 | Shirik|zZz | PYTHON HATES EVERYONE |
| 04:37.01 | Shirik|zZz | ok, sleep |
| 04:37.26 | Drundia | oh, give it what it deserves, HATE HIM TOO |
| 04:38.44 | Wobin | no no |
| 04:38.48 | Wobin | Perl hates everyone |
| 04:38.52 | Wobin | Python only hates you =) |
| 04:39.40 | Drundia | Pascal also hates someone |
| 04:39.53 | Wobin | Noone knows who though |
| 04:40.15 | Drundia | all languages that have their names start with "P" hate people |
| 04:40.35 | Cide | weak |
| 04:40.41 | Cide | all it needed was a __cmp__ method |
| 04:40.45 | kd3 | crap. dominoes won't let me launch myself out of the catapult |
| 04:41.23 | Wobin | Perl is like the sociopath of programming languages. It doesn't care about the social norms that the other languages go through in order to get things done. IT HAS NO REMORSE |
| 04:41.51 | NightHawkTheSan1 | kd3: right-click the buff the catapult gives you? |
| 04:41.59 | NightHawkTheSan1 | http://notalwaysright.com/iraq-land-of-crappy-return-policies/1118 |
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| 04:42.37 | Wobin | NAR is a great site |
| 04:42.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | indeed. |
| 04:43.10 | Neuro_Medivh | Does anyone know the command to summon a mount now? /cast <mount> once again doesn't work |
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| 04:43.34 | NightHawkTheSan1 | try the direct api call? |
| 04:43.47 | Corrodias | is there a /moun? |
| 04:43.49 | Corrodias | */mount |
| 04:43.55 | NightHawkTheSan1 | there is a /moan :p |
| 04:43.55 | kd3 | what buff? |
| 04:44.01 | Corrodias | i'm out of ideas, otherwise |
| 04:44.26 | NightHawkTheSan1 | kd3: i could be wrong about that specific one, but most "vehicles" seem to give you a 'buff', that you can just right-click off.. |
| 04:44.28 | Neuro_Medivh | I tried /mount, /cast mount, etc etc. Used to work in last push |
| 04:44.31 | kd3 | the UI pops a new button. "MainMenuBarVehicleLeaveButton" |
| 04:44.36 | kd3 | only some vehicles |
| 04:44.48 | kd3 | I'm in the second seat of the catapult, don't have the vehicle UI |
| 04:44.49 | NightHawkTheSan1 | *shrug* pester tuller then? :P |
| 04:44.50 | Wobin | make sure your mount has come to a complete stop |
| 04:45.07 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Wobin: thats what she said. |
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| 05:02.33 | Jamash | there is an addon that adds a /mount command, BlazingSaddles |
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| 05:03.41 | Jamash | the actual script command is CallCompanion("MOUNT", index) |
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| 05:10.21 | Cide | Shirik|zZz: ping (tomorrow prolly) |
| 05:23.54 | Neuro_Medivh | Jamash, I know the script command, I wanted one I could use with macro conditionals |
| 05:25.08 | Duman | world server hates me |
| 05:25.16 | Dashkal | and down again :( |
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| 05:26.33 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Neuro_Medivh: you can use it with macro conditionsl if you're clever. |
| 05:31.16 | Jamash | Neuro_Medivh: Then get BlazingSaddles, it supports conditionals |
| 05:37.23 | Jamash | I have respecced 41 times on my DK while testing my new addon |
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| 06:05.58 | Cairenn | heh http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/22/funny-pictures-of-death-claims-nuther-victm/ |
| 06:10.00 | Sixen | epic |
| 06:23.28 | Mike-N-Go | Haha, I am in the BE starting area.. all the ocean water is gone.. |
| 06:23.32 | Mike-N-Go | On beta |
| 06:23.37 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/08/03/cordless-mouse/ |
| 06:29.44 | Keias1 | stupid cats, it's all about ihasahotdog imo |
| 06:30.02 | Cairenn | I get those ones too |
| 06:31.26 | Cairenn | silly little things like getting those emails every day help me keep my sanity ;) |
| 06:32.14 | Keias1 | lol |
| 06:32.20 | Keias1 | sanity is overrated. |
| 06:32.31 | Keias1 | What fun would life be if we couldn't go a little crazy? |
| 06:33.17 | Cairenn | dealing with stupid end users all day, desperately need a laugh at some point through the day ;) |
| 06:36.18 | Cairenn | ewww, that'd be a nasty hangover - a dozen beer and a pint of peppermint schnapps ... |
| 06:37.03 | Duman | o.O |
| 06:37.16 | Duman | I'm getting a headache thinking about that |
| 06:37.32 | Cairenn | watching Disorderly Conduct (speaking of silly little things to get a girl through the day) |
| 06:38.28 | Sixen | =[ |
| 06:39.28 | Cairenn | you'd have to be pretty drunk to begin with to mix those two, I'd think |
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| 07:02.18 | End | lol, helping a guildie make a change to one of his addons |
| 07:04.17 | Corrodias | lol why |
| 07:04.57 | End | he wants something changed...it's kinda funny though, because he's not stupid...just has no programming expierence |
| 07:05.22 | Corrodias | not trying to draw a parallel, but this brings back a memory of one of my moments in Guild Wars |
| 07:05.26 | End | so he's like..."well, I found TargetNearestEnemy(), can I put that in" |
| 07:05.34 | End | and I'm like, no, no, you gotta use the binding name |
| 07:05.42 | Corrodias | i had to group for a while with this guy who suffixed EVERYTHING with "lol" |
| 07:06.15 | End | and then he said this: "lol, I'm like somebody trying to fight a war after watching one movie with guns in it. >.>" |
| 07:06.24 | End | that amused me :P |
| 07:06.35 | Corrodias | :D |
| 07:06.40 | clad|sleep | lol that is funny :P |
| 07:06.48 | Xuerian | Haha, that's pretty good. |
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| 07:17.14 | Wobin | I had someone say I was a veritable "mind field" of information last night |
| 07:17.25 | Wobin | I wasn't quite sure what to say =P |
| 07:18.03 | Xuerian | haha, minefield. |
| 07:18.13 | End | yes, but do you explode when stepped on? |
| 07:18.16 | Wobin | Perhaps walk softly, and don't make a wrong move... |
| 07:18.25 | Wobin | or I'll explode you with how to do it right =P |
| 07:18.31 | End | lol |
| 07:18.42 | Wobin | I was 'teaching' a lvl 61 warrior how to multitank |
| 07:18.46 | Wobin | in Ramps |
| 07:18.59 | Wobin | after, as the healer, dying after -every single pull- |
| 07:19.11 | Duman | o.O |
| 07:19.19 | End | that's one thing I hated about healing, was tanks that couldn't pick up all the extra adds |
| 07:19.35 | Xuerian | I took pride in my ability to do that o_0 |
| 07:19.42 | Wobin | He expected, as a tank, that if he went in and attacked one of a group of three, the other two would naturally hit him and only him |
| 07:19.52 | Duman | lol |
| 07:20.03 | Wobin | of course, as soon as I cast the first heal at 50% |
| 07:20.05 | Wobin | POW |
| 07:20.08 | Wobin | right in the kisser |
| 07:20.17 | Duman | YOU GOT KNOCKED THE F OUT |
| 07:20.31 | End | remember the multi-mob packs of dwarves in brd? |
| 07:20.39 | Wobin | I had another druid and a shadow priest in the party |
| 07:20.40 | End | yeah, fuck those. I still don't know why we decided to go that way |
| 07:20.44 | Duman | oh man, brd |
| 07:20.47 | Wobin | neither of which dropped out of form and healed when I died |
| 07:20.58 | Wobin | it was a 'learning' experience overall |
| 07:21.32 | Wobin | brd taught me that even a level 70 tank can die to dwarves 20 levels lower =) |
| 07:22.02 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Xuerian: you're a druid. you spam swipe. |
| 07:22.20 | Duman | heh |
| 07:22.23 | End | I've soloed scholo and strath on my warlock, but the thought of soloing brd scares me for some reason |
| 07:22.29 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSan1: I kno, rite |
| 07:22.36 | End | I think I just have bad memories of brd |
| 07:23.35 | Xuerian | Who doesn't? |
| 07:23.46 | Duman | I was gonna say |
| 07:23.49 | Xuerian | I mean, I had fun in there, soloing incendius at 60 was great |
| 07:23.52 | Duman | "hey, let's do jailbreak!" |
| 07:23.54 | Xuerian | But I think I got to the end once |
| 07:24.16 | Duman | actually, that "pvp" encounter they added in there was actually pretty near |
| 07:24.19 | Duman | *neat |
| 07:24.25 | Duman | "The Challenge" or whatever |
| 07:24.32 | Xuerian | I don't know if I even made it to the end ever |
| 07:24.33 | Wobin | the arena? |
| 07:24.37 | Xuerian | Three chars |
| 07:24.38 | Duman | yeah that |
| 07:24.45 | Wobin | The emperor is great |
| 07:25.07 | End | I never killed the emperor on my druid >_> |
| 07:25.22 | Duman | farmed him after they moved HoJ |
| 07:25.25 | Duman | which made me sad |
| 07:25.35 | Wobin | You learn that the kidnapped princess has Stockholm syndrome and is having the dark dwarf emp's baby |
| 07:26.23 | End | yeah, crazy shit |
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| 08:13.22 | Tekkub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1372/ |
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| 08:18.49 | cncfanatics | g'morning all |
| 08:18.55 | Wobin | Tekkub: >< |
| 08:19.47 | Thunder_Child | you know thats win, Wobin |
| 08:19.53 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:20.29 | Wobin | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1371/ |
| 08:21.04 | Tekkub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1370/ <--- new gnome haircuts |
| 08:21.09 | Thunder_Child | i'll just ignore where the string is attached on the baloon animal |
| 08:24.51 | Wobin | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1345/ |
| 08:24.54 | Wobin | Poor Sparky |
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| 08:26.30 | Tekkub | how does Sparky talk? |
| 08:26.51 | Tekkub | and where did the rope come from |
| 08:29.09 | Thunder_Child | *cry* http://www.snorgtees.com/piberational-p-564.html |
| 08:29.57 | Antiarc | http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v272/216/62/100801207/n100801207_30446621_1410.jpg |
| 08:30.42 | Wobin | Antiarc: >< |
| 08:31.21 | Wobin | The fact that they photoshopped that -entire- image apart from the menu in order to make the pun =P |
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| 08:32.22 | Thunder_Child | ok, this one is good. http://www.snorgtees.com/i_fullpic.php?pi_fullpic=WhichCameFirst_Fullpic_1.gif |
| 08:33.42 | Tekkub | Kael's finally grew a grownup's K |
| 08:33.50 | Tekkub | next he'll have facial hair |
| 08:34.19 | Tekkub | seriously Kael, you'll be cuter with a beard |
| 08:36.12 | Thunder_Child | mmmmm...catz.... http://www.snorgtees.com/i_fullpic.php?pi_fullpic=ICanCheese_Fullpic_1.gif |
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| 08:40.12 | Wobin | http://www.snorgtees.com/scarebear-p-511.html is good =) |
| 08:41.06 | Kaelten | Tekkub: :P |
| 08:41.43 | Tekkub | you know you want to |
| 08:41.43 | Tekkub | bearded men get more sex |
| 08:41.43 | Mike-N-Go | What does [PH] next to a talent name in the beta mean? |
| 08:41.54 | Kaelten | well, no offense, but if I can find a girl who likes it more i'll give it a shot |
| 08:41.56 | Kaelten | :P |
| 08:41.56 | Tekkub | Phalic |
| 08:42.24 | Cairenn | mmmmmm, whisker burn |
| 08:42.35 | Thunder_Child | really Tekkub? i find that odd, most women dont like kissing bearded faces |
| 08:42.39 | Kaelten | heh, both my ex wives hated it. |
| 08:42.45 | Thunder_Child | as Cairenn slipped in and said before me |
| 08:42.50 | Kaelten | Thunder_Child: my experiance as well |
| 08:42.55 | Tekkub | Mike... I don't know, why don't you go find a [Badge Reward Tank Trinket] and see if you can guess |
| 08:43.03 | Kaelten | I know 1 girl who likes facial hair |
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| 08:43.57 | Tekkub | "whisker burn" == someone who needs to either shave more often, or let the shit grow out |
| 08:44.19 | Cairenn | on _some_ guys, a bit of scruff is mmmmmmmmmmm |
| 08:45.01 | Tekkub | sometime scruff is nice... for me I can't get it to grow in thick enough to be good |
| 08:45.12 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: Tekk just said Bearded guys get more sex |
| 08:45.17 | Wobin | He never said who from |
| 08:45.22 | Tekkub | I have to let it grow out a bit so it's defective curling fills it in |
| 08:45.32 | Cairenn | on some guys beard &/or mustache is mmmmmmmm |
| 08:45.43 | Cairenn | and on some guys, bare face is mmmmmmmmm |
| 08:45.47 | Cairenn | all depends on the guy |
| 08:45.50 | Tekkub | WTB non-defective hair |
| 08:46.08 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, point |
| 08:46.23 | Cairenn | Wobin: no |
| 08:46.28 | Tekkub | Cairenn, nothing can top the S&P beard with the two white lines on the sides of the chin |
| 08:46.37 | Wobin | S&P? |
| 08:46.38 | Cairenn | Tekkub: heh |
| 08:46.42 | Cairenn | salt & pepper |
| 08:46.54 | Cairenn | black or dark brown, going white |
| 08:46.54 | Tekkub | S&P is just too god damn cute |
| 08:47.11 | Wobin | although, how you get the precise two lines, I dunno =) |
| 08:47.32 | Tekkub | I have no fucking clue, but it rocks |
| 08:47.39 | Wobin | either dye or scarfication =P |
| 08:47.42 | Cairenn | it's not unusual for it to go that way naturally |
| 08:47.53 | ccox|work | Salt ^ Pepper red beard, plus a bald head... |
| 08:47.55 | Wobin | got a photo? |
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| 08:48.59 | Tekkub | not quite the lines.. but http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/gallery/hairymen/mgibson.jpg |
| 08:49.09 | Tekkub | and yes, this is an exception to the cute rule |
| 08:52.31 | Wobin | oh I see |
| 08:52.57 | Wobin | with him, though, he looks worse both ways =P |
| 08:53.34 | Tekkub | yea, that's by far not an example of cute |
| 08:54.50 | Tekkub | lawl... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2481379.stm |
| 08:57.48 | Wobin | hehe |
| 08:57.50 | Wobin | I like the beard test |
| 08:57.52 | Wobin | with the wookie |
| 09:08.23 | ccox|work | Brian Blessed... Wookie... what's the difference? |
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| 09:33.33 | Esine | Does anyone know how exactly WoW handles SavedVariables? What if I have something like this in my code: gear = {} character = {["gear"] = gear} gear["owners"] = {character} that is, objects pointing to other objects recursively |
| 09:33.39 | Esine | How'd it show up in SavedVariables/addon.lua? |
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| 09:34.15 | Iriel | It depends on whether it's truly recursive (self-referential) or not |
| 09:34.18 | Esine | I've used a silly solution for this in my earlier addons, global arrays and always refer to objects with indexes ;) just so I wouldn't have to find out what happens in the case |
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| 09:34.24 | Iriel | cycles are 'removed' |
| 09:34.36 | Iriel | multiply referenced items are simply cloned |
| 09:35.02 | Iriel | You'll want to use indices |
| 09:35.21 | Esine | so ok, so I shouldn't trust savedvariables to actually save the data as is |
| 09:35.28 | Iriel | It saves it 'as is' |
| 09:35.33 | Iriel | but it's a tree-walk |
| 09:35.43 | Iriel | without a memory (beyond what it's currently descending through) |
| 09:35.50 | Esine | :[ |
| 09:35.55 | Iriel | (It's creating a literal table constructor in lua) |
| 09:36.05 | Iriel | (which doesn't have a syntax for internal linking) |
| 09:37.03 | Esine | Iriel, so global tables/arrays/hashes (whatever lua calls them I forgot) of indices is an accepted method in wow community? |
| 09:37.37 | Iriel | if you want to be using something as a SV, then yes |
| 09:37.42 | Esine | ok |
| 09:38.00 | Iriel | i.e. gear.owners = "charactername" |
| 09:39.28 | nevcairiel | Iriel: I'm sure someone told you already, but in the latest beta build, the arguments for the _childupdate func are in the wrong order |
| 09:39.46 | Iriel | oh? |
| 09:40.03 | nevcairiel | the signature is self, scriptid, message |
| 09:40.04 | nevcairiel | right? |
| 09:40.26 | Iriel | Yes.... |
| 09:40.30 | nevcairiel | CallRestrictedClosure("self,scriptid,message", |
| 09:40.30 | nevcairiel | + environment, controlHandle, body, |
| 09:40.31 | nevcairiel | + selfHandle, message, scriptid); |
| 09:40.33 | nevcairiel | you call that |
| 09:40.34 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 09:40.39 | nevcairiel | self, message, scriptid |
| 09:40.55 | Iriel | oh, oops |
| 09:41.42 | Iriel | Added to the fix list, thanks |
| 09:42.10 | nevcairiel | Anyway nice work on that, the latest build is nice to work with |
| 09:42.37 | Iriel | yay! I'm always glad to hear that 8-) |
| 09:42.48 | Iriel | Sorry about the bugs, it's tricky to test thoroughly outside of the game |
| 09:43.16 | nevcairiel | Thats why we have beta to fix those |
| 09:43.53 | Iriel | I've got 6 bug fixes so far |
| 09:47.13 | Tekkub | C Revenge of Gann (Part 1) |N|Keel two dorfs at Bael'dun Keep (49,84), it'll make you feel alright.| |QID|846| |
| 09:47.15 | Tekkub | *grin* |
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| 10:04.08 | Bait_ | Good afternoon |
| 10:05.30 | Bait_ | I am trying to create some buttons just like what trinketmenu and pitbull have |
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| 10:06.40 | Bait_ | I see TrinketMenu inherits ActionButtonTemplate for the buttons, but when i tried doing that, it made my button pretty ugly, just like the default blizzard action bar buttons, yet TrinketMenu did not do that |
| 10:07.08 | Bait_ | I am pretty new to the graphic side of addons, so any points would be welcome |
| 10:08.13 | Bait_ | pointers* |
| 10:08.59 | leethal | well I'm guessing the buttons are altered somewhere ; ) |
| 10:09.09 | leethal | try to find the code that alters them and see what happens |
| 10:09.24 | Bait_ | I couldnt figure it out :< |
| 10:12.13 | leethal | get http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0470229810 =) |
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| 10:14.15 | leethal | I _think_ you can set any attribute you want on a secure frame, as long as you're not in combat |
| 10:17.16 | Bait_ | That is not my issue |
| 10:17.20 | Bait_ | Give me a second |
| 10:20.24 | Bait_ | http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buttonsqj4.jpg |
| 10:20.59 | Bait_ | There you go, the bloodlust button is the one that i am working on, the other 2 buttons are from TrinketMEnu |
| 10:21.51 | Bait_ | Want em to post the XML files for both? |
| 10:21.53 | leethal | as I said, you can set any attribute you want on a secure frame (I think) |
| 10:23.09 | Bait_ | I know, but im trying to figure out what attribute i have to modify :< |
| 10:23.21 | lagger | fast ass trinket |
| 10:23.36 | Bait_ | woot? |
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| 10:48.11 | leethal | I think undeads are a bit like native americans: "It's FORSAKEN, not undead, you idiot" |
| 10:50.07 | zenzelezz | well, if the rest of your race had a habit of eating brains and spreading plagues, you'd hate being considered part of them too |
| 10:53.00 | leethal | s1: gladiator, s2: merciless, s3: vengeful, s4: brutal, right? |
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| 11:08.49 | [dRaCo] | ya |
| 11:13.20 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 11:15.34 | Shirik | METAR KDAB 231053Z 15006KT 10SM FEW030TCU SCT050 BKN070 26/23 A2996 RMK AO2 RAE0957 SLP144 TCU VC S P0000 T02560228 |
| 11:15.36 | Shirik | oops |
| 11:15.39 | Shirik | sorry |
| 11:16.40 | [dRaCo] | since caps lock is cruise control for awesome, that thingy's gotta be totally great. |
| 11:16.55 | foxlit | hai Shirik |
| 11:17.06 | foxlit | fix my segfaults? v |
| 11:17.07 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/94506 |
| 11:20.06 | Shirik | foxlit: that segfaults? |
| 11:20.26 | foxlit | If you input 12345678 |
| 11:20.42 | Shirik | let me load it into VS real quick |
| 11:21.18 | zenzelezz | why do national anthems have to be so dull? The only one I can recall that I actually like is the Russian one |
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| 11:21.31 | foxlit | For what it's worth, I compile it with gcc |
| 11:21.33 | Shirik | oh |
| 11:21.34 | Shirik | duh |
| 11:21.40 | cncfanatics | zenzelezz: because boring people are supose to sing it |
| 11:21.41 | Shirik | I should have caught that earlier |
| 11:21.45 | cncfanatics | s/supose/suposed/ |
| 11:21.46 | Shirik | foxlit, that doesn't even COMPILE on vs |
| 11:21.52 | foxlit | I'd imagine |
| 11:21.58 | Shirik | Does this help? error C2057: expected constant expression |
| 11:22.03 | Shirik | at line 7 |
| 11:22.20 | foxlit | Does VS compile in accordance to C99? |
| 11:22.29 | nevcairiel | compiles fine on gcc |
| 11:22.35 | Shirik | That's very much in accordance with the C standard :) |
| 11:22.48 | Shirik | it is definitely illegal to do "int arr[size]" |
| 11:23.13 | Shirik | The size of the array must be a constant |
| 11:23.24 | foxlit | "Variable-length automatic arrays are allowed in ISO C99" is what the GCC manual says |
| 11:23.39 | Shirik | what? |
| 11:23.41 | Shirik | that's bs |
| 11:24.07 | nevcairiel | thats C99, not BS |
| 11:24.13 | nevcairiel | but we all know that MS doesnt believe in C99 |
| 11:24.34 | Shirik | hm |
| 11:24.48 | zenzelezz | well, if it's giving grief, can't you malloc the array instead? |
| 11:25.01 | Shirik | That's what I would do |
| 11:25.07 | Shirik | And why have I never heard of this before? |
| 11:25.08 | foxlit | zanzelezz: that's what I arrived at at 3am last night, so yeah. |
| 11:25.16 | foxlit | s/a/e/ |
| 11:25.29 | Shirik | It may not be in the C++ standard |
| 11:25.32 | foxlit | It's not |
| 11:25.40 | Shirik | I don't code in C |
| 11:26.12 | Shirik | let's see what happens if I compile it as C |
| 11:26.58 | nevcairiel | foxlit: apparently the "int arr[size];" line causes the segfault, which is even more weird =P |
| 11:27.07 | Shirik | nope, still pissed :P |
| 11:27.23 | Shirik | well in all honesty |
| 11:27.25 | Shirik | 12345678? |
| 11:27.29 | Shirik | that's what you typed in? |
| 11:27.43 | foxlit | I was going by orders of magnitude |
| 11:27.46 | Shirik | well that's only 40MB :/ |
| 11:27.55 | Shirik | but! |
| 11:27.57 | Shirik | That's it |
| 11:27.59 | Shirik | ok |
| 11:28.08 | Shirik | That would have to be allocated on the stack |
| 11:28.15 | Shirik | The stack is very likely not that large |
| 11:28.34 | Shirik | You are likely hitting an internal limit |
| 11:28.57 | Shirik | If you use malloc(), it would be immune to that limit |
| 11:29.02 | Shirik | since it's allocated on the heap |
| 11:29.15 | leethal | is there a How To Kill Druids guide? =P |
| 11:29.24 | Shirik | it's the same as if you had tried to declare that many variables inside the function |
| 11:29.24 | cladhaire | be a warlock |
| 11:29.39 | Shirik | (Though it would likely cause a compiler warning/error in that case, because it's detectable at compile-time) |
| 11:29.43 | cladhaire | 1.) Roll a warlock, 2.) Fear the druid, 3.) ??? 4.) profit! |
| 11:30.48 | Shirik | but yeah zenzelezz, I never knew that |
| 11:30.50 | Bait_ | :< |
| 11:30.50 | nevcairiel | Shirik: well it would have to warn about all dynamic arrays like that then |
| 11:31.06 | nevcairiel | maybe it does on highest warning level |
| 11:31.08 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Why? How should it know to expect something that large :) |
| 11:31.09 | Bait_ | How on earth does TrinketMenu make its buttons so awesome? |
| 11:31.25 | Shirik | At least when you're declaring 40 million variables, it knows |
| 11:31.25 | foxlit | Bait_: :SetAwesome(very); |
| 11:31.37 | Bait_ | <3 |
| 11:32.05 | Shirik | but yeah, foxlit, malloc :) |
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| 11:32.15 | nevcairiel | easy to fix, too |
| 11:32.31 | Shirik | And thanks for teaching me something new, even if I have a generic hatred for C :) |
| 11:32.37 | Bait_ | No, but seriously, how do i make my buttons look like that? :< |
| 11:32.44 | foxlit | I thought people had a generic hatred for C++? |
| 11:32.47 | Shirik | no |
| 11:32.49 | Shirik | I love C++ |
| 11:32.52 | Scale | Hey guys, I would like to make a graphical option screen for my addon but i have no idea where to start does anybody know a good tutorial? |
| 11:32.52 | Shirik | everyone else hates C++ |
| 11:32.52 | Bait_ | I tried everythig, couldnt find anything either |
| 11:33.02 | zenzelezz | I'm a C++ fanboi |
| 11:33.09 | Shirik | I DO have something of an issue with the fact that C99 allows you to do this |
| 11:33.12 | foxlit | Bait_: you're going to have to describe what you mean by "awesome" |
| 11:33.15 | Shirik | but I didn't write the standard, so... |
| 11:33.26 | Bait_ | Ill just post you a pic |
| 11:33.28 | Nargiddley | Bait_, do you happen to have cyCircled installed ? |
| 11:33.32 | Bait_ | Then explain |
| 11:33.43 | Bait_ | No, i dont like cyCircled at all |
| 11:33.48 | Bait_ | Give me a second |
| 11:34.04 | Bait_ | http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buttonsqj4.jpg |
| 11:34.28 | Bait_ | The Bloodlust button is from the addon im working on |
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| 11:34.41 | Nargiddley | because the screenshots on the TrinketMenu page look more like your button |
| 11:34.45 | foxlit | They're resized to cut the original border |
| 11:34.48 | Bait_ | Both my addon and TrinketMenu's buttons inherits ActionButtonTemplate |
| 11:35.00 | Nargiddley | and that gloss does look like a skin to me |
| 11:35.01 | foxlit | Then TM applies some more texturing which isn't default |
| 11:35.18 | Bait_ | Most of the texturing is made from lua im guessing |
| 11:35.27 | foxlit | ButtonFacade could also be responsible |
| 11:35.59 | Shirik | anyway |
| 11:36.04 | Shirik | time to go |
| 11:36.07 | Shirik | have fun foxlit :) |
| 11:36.15 | foxlit | qq at having to replace stuff! |
| 11:36.19 | foxlit | (and qq at free in particular) |
| 11:36.26 | Shirik | l2malloc! |
| 11:36.34 | Shirik | Actually, really |
| 11:36.37 | Shirik | l2 new[] |
| 11:36.42 | Shirik | but you're evil and coding in C |
| 11:36.46 | Shirik | so... |
| 11:36.48 | Bait_ | Well, i cannot find anything related to something outside TM |
| 11:36.50 | foxlit | O-C, actually, so meh! |
| 11:37.01 | Shirik | s/d :P |
| 11:37.14 | cladhaire | Shirik is an elitist prick about the oddest things.. |
| 11:37.23 | Shirik | And proud of it :) |
| 11:37.48 | foxlit | Bait_: disable everything but TM, see if it's still awesome? |
| 11:38.45 | Bait_ | Sure thing |
| 11:39.34 | zenzelezz | someone should tell Shirik that new uses the C functions internally |
| 11:41.16 | leethal | meh make it impossible to dodge disarm |
| 11:41.23 | leethal | makes and breaks warrior vs rogue fights |
| 11:41.48 | zenzelezz | go Battle Stance and Overpower him |
| 11:42.04 | Wobin | btw |
| 11:42.19 | Wobin | Anyone who's in the US/Canada should go now and buy Beyond Good and Evil |
| 11:42.29 | Wobin | only $4.99! |
| 11:42.29 | Wobin | http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=game&AppId=15130 |
| 11:42.37 | Wobin | damn you americans/canadians =( |
| 11:42.45 | Bait_ | Indeed Foxlit |
| 11:42.56 | Bait_ | Looks the same as my button now |
| 11:42.57 | Wobin | cause it's a great game |
| 11:44.02 | Bait_ | But how can two things that inherit the same thing look different? Can it be a difference in how their loaded? |
| 11:44.13 | Bait_ | I mean, the order their loaded in |
| 11:44.13 | Wobin | random mutations |
| 11:44.25 | foxlit | link the trinketmenu code |
| 11:44.40 | Bait_ | Xml or Lua? |
| 11:44.52 | Bait_ | Both? Or should i give you a link to the addon? |
| 11:44.57 | foxlit | I'll settle for the addon download link |
| 11:45.29 | Bait_ | comming up |
| 11:46.26 | Bait_ | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8527-TrinketMenuFixed2.4.2.html |
| 11:46.29 | foxlit | Hm, anyone looked at the new BLPs? |
| 11:46.48 | foxlit | They've bumped up the maximum size I can find to 1024x1024, which started my whole malloc evilness :) |
| 11:47.10 | Bait_ | foxlit: Sorry for the slow link, raiding at the same time :P |
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| 11:49.53 | foxlit | Looking at it, I can't find anything obvious that TM would do to skin itself, so you probably have another addon that skins it |
| 11:50.15 | Bait_ | Might be, i nhave the same skin for buttons on my bartender |
| 11:50.17 | Bait_ | But |
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| 11:50.40 | Bait_ | Shouldnt that skin be also aplied to my addon? Since it has done the exact same thing as TM? |
| 11:50.49 | Bait_ | Or might it be a loading order issue? |
| 11:50.50 | foxlit | No, not quite |
| 11:50.54 | cncfanatics | anyone can tell me the command to tell a computer to suspend (linux), I'd need both suspend to ram & suspend to disk |
| 11:51.22 | foxlit | The trick that seems to be commonly used is that some other addon author would explicitly tell some other addon that it needs to skin the TM buttons |
| 11:51.48 | foxlit | (it's not inherited -- rather, it's applied at run time based on button name, presumably) |
| 11:52.49 | Bait_ | So theres no posibility of it being accidental? :D |
| 11:53.10 | Wobin | gah, 700ms ping is not conducive to play |
| 11:53.16 | foxlit | Nothing is accidental :) |
| 11:54.47 | Bait_ | Bugs are :D |
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| 12:31.15 | Bait_ | Mhm |
| 12:31.17 | Bait_ | ACtualy |
| 12:31.23 | Bait_ | It was cyCircled :O |
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| 12:33.36 | Fisker- | cog|away |
| 12:33.42 | Fisker- | i got those spinnerets you asked for |
| 12:33.45 | Fisker- | hoho |
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| 13:11.15 | Ycarene | Anyone know if anyone has ever drawn up a map of pre-sundering kalimdor? |
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| 13:12.28 | Lunessa | You could check the Pen & Paper RPG to see if there is such a map. |
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| 13:35.09 | cladhaire | So Druid epic flight form |
| 13:35.14 | cladhaire | requires 300 riding, right? |
| 13:35.24 | cladhaire | and that costs 5000g and there is no possible discount? |
| 13:36.02 | Nargiddley | you have to have 300 riding to start the quest chain, not sure about the discount |
| 13:36.20 | cladhaire | okay.. its just been a while :P |
| 13:36.27 | cladhaire | I've got about 2500 saved up and I'm onloy 68 |
| 13:36.32 | cladhaire | so i should hit 3k before i hit 70 |
| 13:36.37 | cladhaire | then dailies shouldn't make it that bad |
| 13:37.30 | Fisker- | no discount |
| 13:37.35 | cladhaire | boo |
| 13:37.42 | cladhaire | wonder if the price will drop in wrath? |
| 13:37.48 | cladhaire | i suppose i can copy over and check, heh |
| 13:37.54 | Fisker- | They made the trainers non-faction specific so that people wouldn't save lots of money |
| 13:38.02 | Fisker- | wasn't changed when i trained it |
| 13:38.08 | cladhaire | it makes sense, but sucks :P |
| 13:38.21 | cladhaire | considering i really need to buy my faction pvp gear first |
| 13:38.24 | cladhaire | which'll cost a bit |
| 13:38.26 | zenzelezz | I think they said they had no plans to drop the price, but I could be imagining things |
| 13:38.45 | cladhaire | yeah thats what i had thought |
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| 13:40.06 | Dark_Elf | i wish blizzard would lower some of the blacksmith, tailor and leatherworking requirements, im finding drops off dead demons that are better than the armor that is made |
| 13:40.52 | Lunessa | cladhaire: I trained it on my priest. No discount. |
| 13:41.01 | cladhaire | k k |
| 13:42.41 | Wobin | I hope they drop the price =( |
| 13:47.44 | Fisker- | don't you just hate it when you run out of countries to buy? |
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| 14:01.03 | cbreak | tailoring was rather nice in TBC |
| 14:01.15 | cbreak | I used some items until deep in MH |
| 14:01.23 | Lunessa | If I'm buying countries, I like to buy the ones with development potential. I'd like some return on my investment. :P |
| 14:01.43 | cbreak | try china. it's up and comming. |
| 14:02.08 | Lunessa | It's too expensive. |
| 14:02.26 | Lunessa | I don't feel it's a real value proposition. |
| 14:02.56 | cbreak | maybe a state in the US |
| 14:07.33 | Nom- | lol last patch changed the calendar API heaps |
| 14:07.36 | Nom- | I got my work cut out for me |
| 14:08.47 | Lunessa | Calendar being built-in = FTW. It makes me happy in ways you can't even begin to imagine. Or if you can, don't share. |
| 14:09.00 | Nom- | heh |
| 14:09.17 | Nom- | I have an addon which exports it's data and a java app which converts it into iCal format :) |
| 14:09.27 | Lunessa | ... sweet. |
| 14:09.31 | Nom- | So I have to conver to new API |
| 14:09.33 | Lunessa | iCal is love. |
| 14:09.48 | Lunessa | And you can sync iCal and Google's calendar app too. |
| 14:10.03 | Nom- | Well, iCalendar format, which iCal, MS Outlook, Google Cal, and just about everything else too |
| 14:10.19 | Nom- | I produces a .ics file |
| 14:10.20 | cbreak | that sounds quite nice |
| 14:10.25 | Nom- | which all of the above understand |
| 14:11.12 | Lunessa | Very handy. I should slap my raid calendar into my Blackberry Perl and have it alert me with alarms. That would be silly, but useful. |
| 14:11.27 | Nom- | That's exactly why i made it |
| 14:11.37 | Nom- | reminders for PUG raids i want to go to on weekends and stuff |
| 14:12.47 | Lunessa | *nod* P2P calendars are .. well, shit. |
| 14:13.18 | Lunessa | Which is why no matter how hard GroupCalendar tries or GEM tries, there will be problems. |
| 14:13.22 | cladhaire | so the Shattered Sun Offensive dailies can't be done once the event is over.. or am I wrong? |
| 14:13.34 | Pneumatus | cladhaire: they can be done forever |
| 14:13.38 | Lunessa | cladhaire: They convert to new versions which are repeatable. |
| 14:13.41 | cladhaire | all stages of them? |
| 14:13.41 | cladhaire | oh |
| 14:13.42 | cladhaire | okay :P |
| 14:13.51 | cladhaire | so I didn't miss out on anything then |
| 14:13.56 | Lunessa | (Has three toons at max exalted.... ) |
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| 14:14.37 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 14:14.45 | cladhaire | i think i can get the skettis dailies at 68 cause I'm a drood |
| 14:14.49 | cladhaire | so I'm gonna see about leveling to 70 that way :P |
| 14:15.09 | cladhaire | damn, I was wrong =( |
| 14:15.27 | cladhaire | there goes my good idea |
| 14:15.41 | Lunessa | There's a pre-quest in Shatt which triggers them, and it's not available until 70. |
| 14:16.00 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 14:16.01 | cladhaire | fuckers |
| 14:16.06 | foxlit | why would you want to level on dailies, anyway? |
| 14:16.24 | cladhaire | why not? |
| 14:16.39 | cladhaire | 25 dailies, that's a lot of XP plus faction |
| 14:16.48 | cladhaire | better than doing quests in sylvanaar |
| 14:17.10 | Matrix110| | Netherstorm/Shadowmoon are really nice questing areas |
| 14:17.15 | foxlit | Factions you won't ever see again |
| 14:17.22 | cladhaire | I need to gear up for shit |
| 14:17.24 | Lunessa | Shadowmoon = Rep and nice items. |
| 14:17.24 | foxlit | XP... I don' think it's actually that much of |
| 14:17.28 | cladhaire | 10k per quest |
| 14:17.53 | Matrix110| | Netherstorm yields about 2k gold same for Netherstorm when doing all quests |
| 14:17.53 | Lunessa | Shadowmoon quest lines have really nice quality blues at the end of them. |
| 14:17.57 | cladhaire | but that's specifically why we can't do them until we're 70 |
| 14:18.05 | cladhaire | I'm 68 |
| 14:18.12 | cladhaire | should I just skip to Netherstorm rather than doing BE |
| 14:18.22 | cladhaire | or just do them all, since they all yield xp :P |
| 14:18.25 | Lunessa | And you rep up with Aldor/Scryers. |
| 14:18.27 | cladhaire | getting to 70 quickly is my priority right now |
| 14:18.28 | foxlit | What are you looking at that shows XP gain? |
| 14:18.44 | cladhaire | foxlit: its the equivalent amount you'd get from the gold rewards |
| 14:18.59 | cladhaire | but you can't do them pre 70, so it doesn't matter |
| 14:19.31 | Lunessa | doing the TBC dailies post-70 is ... pointless other than for rep. |
| 14:19.43 | foxlit | And you're sure you're looking at actual dailies rather than introduction quests? |
| 14:19.47 | cladhaire | unless you need money |
| 14:19.50 | cladhaire | foxlit: just stop |
| 14:19.50 | foxlit | Because stuff like http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?quest=11023 shows no XP gain |
| 14:19.53 | cladhaire | yes |
| 14:19.56 | cladhaire | i'm fully aware of that |
| 14:20.23 | cladhaire | i get 10k from the pvp daily |
| 14:20.54 | cladhaire | hence why i log in and do that every day |
| 14:20.57 | cladhaire | if nothign else. |
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| 14:21.16 | foxlit | That gain actually shows up on wowhead :) |
| 14:21.40 | cladhaire | jesus christ |
| 14:21.42 | cladhaire | it was conjecture |
| 14:21.59 | cladhaire | i was clearly wrong, thanks for pointing it out... again |
| 14:22.06 | cladhaire | although I've already conceded that point |
| 14:22.33 | Lunessa | Hey, cladhaire Did you know you can't level on Dailies? :P (I keeeeed!) |
| 14:22.49 | cladhaire | Lunessa: wrong, smartass :P |
| 14:22.50 | foxlit | Less "jesus christ", comments aren't directed at pointing out anything to you in particular |
| 14:23.01 | cladhaire | I certainly could level on the pvp daily :P |
| 14:23.19 | Lunessa | You rock the PvP, I don't. In PvP I am 'teh suk' |
| 14:24.01 | Lunessa | Though I do like to bomb the shit out of Halaa. |
| 14:24.17 | cladhaire | hehe |
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| 14:24.52 | Lunessa | Wait, isn't there more than one PvP daily? I know the one in Nagrand, but isn't there one elsewhere? |
| 14:24.59 | Lunessa | Oh right, BGs. |
| 14:25.12 | foxlit | Terokkar, too |
| 14:26.21 | Scale | Could somebody tell me if what im trying to do is possible and how it should be? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94512 line 6 |
| 14:26.22 | Lunessa | You know, if I was into the pvp I would probably have better gear. :P |
| 14:27.40 | Maldivia | Scale: not possible |
| 14:27.57 | Maldivia | Scale: self.db.profile.ButtonLocs["party" .. x[i]] = ... |
| 14:27.58 | Maldivia | instead |
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| 14:28.52 | Scale | awesome! |
| 14:30.43 | Maldivia | assuming you're trying to index ButtonLocs.partyTest, in the case where x[i] = "Test" |
| 14:30.54 | Lunessa | Wow... I'm the most tuck up group of people on the WoW forums: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023681192&sid=1 :P |
| 14:32.02 | Scale | well it should look like: self.db.profile.ButtonLocs.party1[i] (1 trough 4) |
| 14:32.52 | alestane | ButtonLocs["party"..x][i] then |
| 14:33.35 | Scale | Oke lets test |
| 14:34.03 | Scale | mm nope :( |
| 14:34.22 | Scale | attempt to index field 'party' (a nil value) |
| 14:35.10 | Maldivia | the right side should probably be fromWhich["party"..x][i] then |
| 14:35.34 | Maldivia | assuming left and right side uses the same table-layout |
| 14:38.57 | Scale | Got it thanks |
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| 14:42.46 | Scale | Well all thats left to do is figure out how to get the minimap icon to not show a question mark and how to remove the profile options :D |
| 14:43.54 | Nom- | hmmm anyone know where i might find LibGratuity 3.0 ? |
| 14:45.57 | Stanzilla | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LibGratuity-3.0/ |
| 14:47.44 | Bait_ | Is it not possible to have 2 separate xml files, one for templates and one for the GUI itself? |
| 14:47.59 | alestane | Sure. |
| 14:48.48 | Bait_ | Doesnt seem to work for me :< |
| 14:49.14 | alestane | You'll need to list them both separately in your .toc file, templates file first. |
| 14:49.32 | Bait_ | I did |
| 14:49.54 | alestane | Then you'll need to post or link something where people can see it. |
| 14:50.52 | Nom- | wow... obliterate got nerfed big time |
| 14:50.55 | Bait_ | Basicaly, i copied the ActionButtonTemplate into my xml file, renamed the Template, added the file to the toc, and when i changed the inherit of my button, from ACtionButtonTemplate to the name i`ve asigned to the same template, it does not work |
| 14:52.06 | alestane | You're just trying to inherit the presentation of the default buttons? |
| 14:52.47 | Bait_ | Well, its actualy a checkbox |
| 14:52.50 | Wobin | Nom-: become obilliterate? |
| 14:53.08 | Bait_ | But the template is for a checkbox in the fist place |
| 14:53.18 | Bait_ | Give me a second, ill post you both XMLs |
| 14:53.44 | Scale | I set independentProfile = false but it still shows profile in my dewdrop menu any clue why? |
| 14:53.50 | alestane | ActionButtonTemplate is considered a checkbutton because it can be "checked on" when an ability is active in some way. |
| 14:53.59 | Bait_ | Yup, i know |
| 14:55.14 | Nom- | on the upside, it might make unholy a better spec |
| 14:55.17 | Nom- | i'll have to try it :P |
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| 14:58.08 | Bait_ | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94513-3pvb -- Template.xml ;; http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94514 -- Myxml |
| 15:00.14 | alestane | Is the button failing to be created, or is it not working properly? |
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| 15:00.26 | Bait_ | Its not created |
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| 15:01.04 | alestane | Have you validated the XML, or looked in you FrameXML.log file? |
| 15:01.51 | alestane | I can't say definitively that lines like <Layers /> are invalid, but I don't know that they are, either...they're also pretty useless, that would be my first guess. |
| 15:02.27 | Bait_ | Erm yea |
| 15:02.30 | Bait_ | in my xml |
| 15:02.50 | Bait_ | I'm working with the so called AddonStudio |
| 15:03.19 | Bait_ | That might not be the problem though |
| 15:03.43 | Vangual | are there any known issues with the drag handlers in the current wrath build or am I just using them wrong? can't get neither the "_ondragstart" snippet not a WrapScript(myframe, "OnDragStart",... to fire |
| 15:03.58 | Vangual | nor* |
| 15:04.00 | Ackis | any people play on illidan here? :) |
| 15:04.17 | Bait_ | If i change the inherit to ActionButtonTemplate is works |
| 15:04.26 | Bait_ | And i have the exact same template, with a different name :P |
| 15:04.33 | alestane | Vangual: I haven't heard of any before, but that doesn't guarantee they're aren't any. |
| 15:04.52 | alestane | there* |
| 15:05.12 | Vangual | alestane: hehe ok, looks like I'll need to mess with them more then |
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| 15:10.26 | Bait_ | Erm, sorry about that |
| 15:11.10 | Bait_ | alestane: Any clue on what i am doing wrong? |
| 15:11.14 | alestane | XML Nanny confirms that empty <Layers />, <Scripts /> elements etc. are not valid. |
| 15:11.25 | alestane | So I'd start by ripping those out. |
| 15:11.31 | Bait_ | Okay |
| 15:11.45 | alestane | Lines 41, 42, 43, and 47 of MyXML. |
| 15:11.56 | foxlit | Vangual: you might need to enable dragging on the frame |
| 15:12.06 | alestane | foxlit: Good point. |
| 15:12.21 | alestane | :RegisterForDrag() |
| 15:12.37 | Vangual | hmm, one of the frames i'm trying it on is an ActionBarButtonTemplate, but i'll do that explicitely for them then |
| 15:12.39 | Nom- | Who's Keylogger <Secure Templars> alliance / pve ?:P |
| 15:12.43 | alestane | isn't automatically invoked anywhere. |
| 15:13.28 | Bait_ | alestane: The button is still not created |
| 15:13.45 | Bait_ | Those were some residues from AddonStudio |
| 15:15.02 | alestane | Is BLRotate created? |
| 15:15.41 | alestane | And are you verifying that these buttons don't exist by examining the global variables, or are you observing that you can't see them? |
| 15:15.43 | Bait_ | yup |
| 15:16.56 | Bait_ | Erm, sorry, i just cannot see the button itself |
| 15:17.09 | Bait_ | And yes, the Frame is visible |
| 15:17.34 | Vangual | foxlit, alestane: thanks, registering enabled the trigger |
| 15:18.12 | alestane | What do you get if you say /run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(tostring(BLButton1)) ? (or /dump BLButton1 if you have DevTools. |
| 15:18.56 | Bait_ | table: 10d23528 :P |
| 15:19.02 | Bait_ | I guess it is created afterall, but not visible? |
| 15:19.26 | alestane | Well, with no associated actions, its textures and fontstrings will not display anything. |
| 15:19.59 | alestane | You need to make sure it is shown and set some of the strings or textures to something. |
| 15:20.45 | Bait_ | Sure thing |
| 15:21.04 | Anaral | Nom-: It should be in his officer note. |
| 15:21.27 | Anaral | And regular note for that matter |
| 15:22.41 | Bait_ | Setting the texture seems to make the button visible |
| 15:23.10 | alestane | So yeah, your button was being created, but it didn't look like anything yet. |
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| 15:24.15 | Bait_ | Yup, that basicaly means the template isnt loaded correctly, right? |
| 15:25.02 | Bait_ | Even though i did include both files in the toc |
| 15:25.05 | Lunessa | Bait_: No, it means the template loaded, but had no visible elements. |
| 15:25.19 | Bait_ | The template itself should create a border |
| 15:29.03 | Lunessa | "BLRotate_ShowLusts" lol. |
| 15:29.34 | Bait_ | Yeah, im trying to make an addon for my raidleader to be able to switch shamans for bloodlusts easier :P |
| 15:29.46 | Bait_ | So he doesnt loose dps himself while doing so |
| 15:30.06 | Bait_ | Well, yeah, that is kind of a wierd name for a texture :P |
| 15:30.10 | Lunessa | And your texture is "$parent_Background" Are you sure that your parent object has a texture? |
| 15:30.40 | Lunessa | Especially since you're parented to UIParent. :P |
| 15:31.09 | Bait_ | Well, it seems to do |
| 15:31.17 | Bait_ | Is that not just a name afterall? |
| 15:32.01 | Lunessa | UIParent probably doesn't have a visible texture. I mean, otherwise, how would you see the 3D-World? |
| 15:32.25 | Bait_ | I get you, the the parent of the texture is BLRotate |
| 15:32.39 | Lunessa | Ah. |
| 15:32.52 | Lunessa | My bad. |
| 15:33.31 | Bait_ | I'l change the texture's name anyway, since i dont need to use it as a template, i might aswell just give it a static name |
| 15:34.41 | Bait_ | Basicaly, what i did, i coped the ActionButtonTemplate to my own XML, included it in the toc, changed the Template's name, and when i tried inheriting it, it did not work :< |
| 15:35.41 | Bait_ | copied* |
| 15:36.05 | Bait_ | But when i inherit ActionButtonTemplate, it works flawlessly |
| 15:36.09 | cbreak | you can't create secure templates from scratch unless you're blizzard |
| 15:36.50 | Bait_ | Secure as in flawless? |
| 15:38.35 | Bait_ | Because i basicaly copy pasted from the Blizzard xml :P |
| 15:39.18 | Bait_ | Unless the XML files from http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21466 are outdated |
| 15:41.01 | cbreak | no, secure as in secure |
| 15:41.10 | cbreak | only blizzard code can cast stuff |
| 15:41.39 | cbreak | I am quite sure action buttons are secure, but if you create them yourself, even if you do the same thing, they are tainted |
| 15:41.49 | cbreak | so you should see them fine, but they won't be able to cast anything |
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| 15:42.07 | cbreak | but I haven't worked with secure stuff myself a lot, so I could be wrong in the details |
| 15:42.13 | Nom- | Anaral: I'm horde :P |
| 15:42.19 | Anaral | Ah |
| 15:42.47 | Neuro_Medivh | wow... beta servers haven't been this unstable in a while |
| 15:43.03 | Lunessa | Meh, they kept punting me last night. |
| 15:43.38 | Neuro_Medivh | I haven't been able to play more than 10 minutes at a stretch |
| 15:43.40 | Bait_ | cbreak: i am just trying to get the looks of the actionbar buttons, not functions :P |
| 15:44.20 | cbreak | hmm... weird |
| 15:50.24 | Wobin | Need a maths person |
| 15:50.37 | alestane | What level of maths? |
| 15:50.39 | Duman | what sort of maths |
| 15:51.07 | Wobin | okay, situation: I have a spark overlay on a bar that needs to be offset slightly past the end of the bar. |
| 15:51.27 | Tuller | so question: is there an early quest that involves a vehicle in the beta that I can play around with? |
| 15:51.30 | Wobin | I need to figure out just -how- much of an offset to use depending on the width of the bar |
| 15:51.54 | Wobin | or actually find an equation that will give a good enough look for the purpose |
| 15:51.55 | Duman | tuller: the DK starting zone has the palamino you have to turn in for the mount quest... that alters the main bar |
| 15:52.03 | Tuller | true |
| 15:52.09 | Duman | there is also the cannon one |
| 15:52.22 | Tuller | guess I should make a second DK :P |
| 15:52.26 | Duman | hehe |
| 15:52.53 | Wobin | if I use a flat percentage adjustment, it looks worse and worse as the bar gets smaller |
| 15:53.10 | Wobin | so maybe a diminishing return on that |
| 15:53.16 | alestane | Wobin: Is the spark's width supposed to change? |
| 15:53.39 | Wobin | the spark texture width is the same as the bar, the spark however isn't |
| 15:53.57 | Wobin | Lemme get an example |
| 15:54.15 | alestane | I'd think you'd want to use a fixed-width spark and anchor it to the moving end of the bar. |
| 15:54.51 | Bait_ | This is rather interesting, if i put the template in the same xml as my frame, it works |
| 15:55.21 | Bait_ | But if i put them in a different XML, and loads it _before_ my frames xml, it does not |
| 15:56.01 | Wobin | alestane: hm, I will have problems with the spark going over the far edge and being visible if I do that on a small bar |
| 15:56.14 | Wobin | although that might be preferable |
| 15:57.05 | Wobin | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/86151a7e083e4a4ecf8b7331200534a3.JPG |
| 15:57.19 | Wobin | top is roughly what I'm after, bottom is a bar 1/3 the size of the first |
| 15:57.33 | Wobin | well, smaller anyway |
| 15:57.50 | Wobin | I'll see what it's like unsized... |
| 15:58.46 | cbreak | there are two bar changes in the DK starting area |
| 15:59.09 | cbreak | I think the harpoon quest in the fjords also does that, but last I tried that was in alpha |
| 16:00.53 | Duman | ahh yeah, harpoon, too |
| 16:01.04 | Drundia | can "button" extract all "text with spaces" when triggered with "/click button text with spaces"? i see only ability to extract "text" :( |
| 16:01.07 | Duman | and the copter one (which always bugs me out for some reason) |
| 16:01.13 | Duman | (alliance) |
| 16:01.31 | alestane | Bait_: My validator says you have a flaw in that XML file as well. |
| 16:01.58 | Bait_ | The template file? |
| 16:02.11 | alestane | You have another stray <Frames /> on line 61. |
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| 16:03.13 | Bait_ | In the template file? |
| 16:04.15 | alestane | Yes, in the template file. |
| 16:04.36 | alestane | At least in the pastey you linked me. |
| 16:05.12 | Bait_ | Yup, i fixed it all now :P |
| 16:05.21 | Bait_ | That wasnt the problem though |
| 16:05.38 | Bait_ | When i copied the template in myxml i started working |
| 16:06.03 | Bait_ | it* |
| 16:06.30 | alestane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation |
| 16:06.48 | Duman | hehe |
| 16:06.52 | alestane | You might want to try putting it back fixed and see if it makes a difference. |
| 16:08.20 | Bait_ | Nope, it does not, i fixed it first, saw it wasnt working, and then i put it where it is now :P |
| 16:08.34 | alestane | You fixed both files? |
| 16:08.47 | Bait_ | Well, i just deleted what was not neccesary |
| 16:09.03 | Bait_ | The <Frames /><Scripts />and <Layers /> |
| 16:09.08 | Bait_ | tags |
| 16:09.37 | Bait_ | What your validator said was wrong |
| 16:09.38 | alestane | Because it is perfectly possible for an XML file to load a frame from a template in another file. The stock UI does it all the time. |
| 16:10.16 | Bait_ | Do the toc files get reloaded aswell when i reload the UI? |
| 16:10.37 | Wobin | no |
| 16:10.39 | alestane | Not as sure about that, they might not. |
| 16:10.52 | Bait_ | Well then, that might of been the problem then ^_^ |
| 16:11.05 | alestane | TOCs must be present when WoW is loaded, so I don't think they do. |
| 16:11.05 | Bait_ | Lemme give it a shot |
| 16:12.18 | Vangual | is there any equivalent to registerfordrag to enable OnRecieveDrag events? |
| 16:12.30 | alestane | Vangual: Not that I'm aware of. |
| 16:12.54 | Vangual | (other than spelling receive correctly that is) |
| 16:13.00 | Drundia | all files must be present on startup |
| 16:13.05 | alestane | You can always look over the code for ActionBarButtonTemplate. |
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| 16:16.01 | Vangual | hmm, only RegisterForClicks("AnyUp") maybe, checking |
| 16:16.02 | Pneumatus | is there a way to programatically tell if you can equip an item? |
| 16:16.38 | cbreak | tooltip parsing? :/ |
| 16:17.38 | cbreak | Bait_: A long time ago I tested that once, the contents of the toc file did not get reread on reload ui or even relogin. |
| 16:17.56 | Bait_ | I did a complete resetart |
| 16:17.58 | cbreak | I changed the version number of an addon, but this change only got reflected after a complete restart of WoW |
| 16:18.03 | Bait_ | Still nothing :< |
| 16:18.40 | Bait_ | Okay, going to make archives with both variants |
| 16:18.47 | Vangual | ah that did the job, RegisterForClicks("AnyUp") enabled "_onreceivedrag" |
| 16:19.01 | alestane | Vangual: Interesting. |
| 16:30.50 | Anaral | Is JWoWUpdater or WOWI UI Updater any good or recommended or even still uptodate? |
| 16:31.16 | Industrial | Hm I have 3 red and 5 blue gems on my best gear on my resto shaman. What meta gem can I use? Insightful Earthstorm Diamond is the best for shamans but I need 2 red 2 yellow and 2 nlue for it. |
| 16:31.37 | nevcairiel | Industrial: get some yellow gems, then =P |
| 16:31.47 | Industrial | yeah to put in which yellow slots? |
| 16:31.55 | Duman | (or green/orange ;) ) |
| 16:32.02 | nevcairiel | use green gems, and put in blue? :) |
| 16:32.08 | Duman | green = yellow+blue |
| 16:32.11 | Duman | orange = yellow+red |
| 16:32.26 | Industrial | they count as yellow for the meta gem? |
| 16:32.28 | Industrial | http://be.imba.hu/?zone=EU&realm=Vashj&character=Xamth |
| 16:32.29 | Duman | yes |
| 16:32.35 | Industrial | ah, thats nice then :3 |
| 16:32.40 | Duman | in fact, they count as both |
| 16:32.56 | End | yeah, it's like having two gems in your gear |
| 16:34.00 | Sixen | orly? |
| 16:34.09 | Sixen | ORLY SPIDEY? |
| 16:34.39 | End | yarly |
| 16:34.41 | Industrial | SIXEN HOW I SHOT WEB? |
| 16:34.45 | Industrial | etc. |
| 16:34.51 | Duman | lol |
| 16:36.04 | Sixen | :) |
| 16:39.07 | Bait_ | Hah |
| 16:39.18 | Bait_ | Finaly figured out what the actual problem was |
| 16:39.29 | Bait_ | AddonStudio messed my xml's up :< |
| 16:39.37 | Bait_ | Hiding textures and whatnot |
| 16:40.02 | Bait_ | Ill just have to stick to good old Notepad++ :D |
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| 16:49.10 | alestane | Bait_: So they do work in separate files, provided AddOn Studio isn't allowed to think it knows better than you? |
| 16:49.31 | Bait_ | Correcct |
| 16:49.33 | Bait_ | Correct* |
| 16:50.12 | alestane | I thought it was nice that someone at least made it, but more and more I'm getting that "friends don't let friends author in AddOn Studio" vibe. |
| 16:50.58 | Bait_ | Aye, it still needs work i guess |
| 16:51.55 | alestane | Give them constructive feedback! |
| 16:52.02 | Bait_ | I basicaly tried it out because I'm a newbie at wow addons, especialy ones with GUIs |
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| 16:55.29 | zenzelezz | half the time it can be better to avoid using too many helpful tools until you have a grasp of the basics |
| 16:55.33 | Lunessa | XML is a pain to edit by hand, really. A visual tool for it makes life better. |
| 16:56.10 | Bait_ | agreed |
| 16:56.23 | Wobin | XML is a pain. |
| 16:56.27 | Wobin | (I fixed your statement) |
| 16:56.46 | zenzelezz | I don't agree in this case. Yes, it can be tough, but I still think that it gives you more of an overview of what's going on |
| 16:57.19 | Wobin | once you get beyond maybe three or so layers, it starts getting difficult |
| 16:58.44 | Lunessa | It's like writing recursive functions in C. Get too deep and you lose track of what the fuck is going on. |
| 16:58.59 | zenzelezz | of course |
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| 16:59.39 | zenzelezz | but given the alternatives I still find it the best way for WoW GUIs. Following Lua code far enough to see where the frame creation/alteration ends can be more tedious, and the GUI editors are like Frontpage |
| 16:59.58 | alestane | ~XML |
| 16:59.58 | purl | XML is like violence: if it's not working, you aren't using enough of it. |
| 17:00.05 | Duman | LOL |
| 17:00.20 | Lunessa | FrontPage is the work of SATAN. And I speak this knowing guys who built the original versions and sold out to M$. |
| 17:00.27 | alestane | ~XML |
| 17:00.27 | purl | XML is like violence: if it's not working, you aren't using enough of it. |
| 17:00.36 | alestane | I know it has another one. |
| 17:00.47 | zenzelezz | ~literal XML |
| 17:00.47 | purl | "xml" is "<reply>(Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, I'll use XML.' Now they have two problems.|XML is like violence: if it's not working, you aren't using enough of it.)" |
| 17:00.59 | zenzelezz | yes, it does |
| 17:03.19 | Bait_ | How can i get all the atributes of an element ingame? |
| 17:04.22 | Bait_ | Does DevTools help me with that? Should i look into it? :D |
| 17:04.58 | alestane | You can't access the XML anymore once the frame is loaded. But you can usually get most of the values the XML was used to set up. |
| 17:05.08 | Anaral | Does DataBrokerlib have a place that lists all addons that plug into it? |
| 17:05.30 | Gnarfoz | gah :X |
| 17:05.53 | Gnarfoz | what changed in 8820 that broke so much stuff? |
| 17:06.08 | Bait_ | alestane: Was that aimed at me? |
| 17:07.04 | alestane | I don't know if "aimed" is the right word, but yes. |
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| 17:08.56 | Bait_ | Heh well, I am trying to see what attributes cyCircled is modifying to give my buttons those styles, so i can add it by default to my addon, to spare my users installing cyCircled aswell :P |
| 17:10.39 | alestane | Well, cyCircled modifys buttons after creation, AFAIK, so presumably it's using Lua calls. |
| 17:11.01 | Bait_ | It is, yes, thats why im trying to do it ingame |
| 17:12.04 | Bait_ | I guess its not impossible to get all childs of an element and their atributes |
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| 17:17.03 | Anaral | Is there a reputation addon that uses databroker? |
| 17:20.43 | alestane | Well, if you're referring to attributes set with :SetAttribute, then no, there's no way to get a listing of all non-nils. If you're referring to XML attributes used to set characteristics of an element, then they don't exist anymore per se once loading is complete, but the frame or texture characteristics they set do. |
| 17:21.06 | alestane | AFAIK, cyCircled does mos of what it does by setting or creating textures. |
| 17:21.31 | alestane | if you want a list of all frames that are children of a frame, use ... = frame:GetChildren(). |
| 17:21.57 | alestane | If you want a list of textures and fontstrings on a particular frame, use ... = frame:GetRegions(). |
| 17:22.11 | Lunessa | Seriously though, just look at the CyCircled code and don't reverse engineer what you don't have to. |
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| 17:35.38 | Lunessa | Eschew obfuscation. |
| 17:36.11 | Iriel | But if you must eat it, chew it at least 10 times before you swallow. |
| 17:37.00 | Gnarfoz | Bait_: just use ButtonFacade? :) |
| 17:37.47 | Bait_ | Can i embed it into my addon? |
| 17:39.02 | Lunessa | Bait_: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/ButtonFacade/Addons |
| 17:39.15 | Bait_ | Just got there, thanks |
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| 17:40.20 | erikd | is anyone else having trouble staying connected in northrend? it seems like i log on my druid and i get dc'ed in 15 minutes but when i play on my dk in outland i play for a long time |
| 17:40.30 | Bait_ | Uuu, litestep :D |
| 17:40.31 | Duman | heh |
| 17:40.37 | erikd | is it the northrend server that's messed up or my client? |
| 17:40.42 | Duman | the northrend instance server is not happy |
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| 17:41.01 | erikd | k, just making sure it's not just me and something i need to report :) |
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| 17:48.39 | Lunessa | BonusAcrionBarFrame is rogue stealth, warrior stances, druid forms, right? |
| 17:49.31 | Lunessa | Ah, looks like pets too. |
| 17:50.16 | Tekkub | uhm, yes stances and possess |
| 17:50.30 | Tekkub | MultiActionBars are the "extra" bars |
| 17:50.46 | Lunessa | Cool. I'm just noodling with a quick "hide" it addon for someone. |
| 17:50.54 | foxlit | reparent! |
| 17:51.11 | foxlit | (Don't even think of hooking .Show!) |
| 17:51.25 | Shirik | Frame.Show = Frame.Hide -- lololol |
| 17:51.43 | Lunessa | No... No ... I was going to "unregister for all events" and call "hide" |
| 17:51.58 | Shirik | what if I call show later? |
| 17:52.15 | Bait_ | WhCould anyone give me an example with the SetCooldown function? I cant seem to be able to make it work |
| 17:52.15 | Lunessa | Then it will be broken, since I unregistered it. :P |
| 17:52.15 | foxlit | When dealing with bonus action bar, you really don't want to touch events to hide it |
| 17:52.25 | Bait_ | Could* |
| 17:52.25 | foxlit | You'll either break too much or too little |
| 17:52.29 | Shirik | Lunessa: I'm confused |
| 17:52.32 | Shirik | why would that be broken? |
| 17:53.00 | Lunessa | Shirik - my initial plan is to unregister all the bonus action bar events. |
| 17:53.00 | Shirik | Regardless of OnShow not occurring, it should still show, no? |
| 17:53.12 | Shirik | maybe not well |
| 17:53.16 | Shirik | but it should still show |
| 17:53.46 | Lunessa | Well yes, but it hasn't initialized with its OnUpdate? No? |
| 17:54.25 | Lunessa | Basically, I didn't want something to force it to display like... entering an instance. |
| 17:54.39 | Shirik | ok, I meant a conflicting addon |
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| 17:54.50 | Shirik | what if some other addon decides "hey it's time to show" and calls the Show function? |
| 17:55.22 | Shirik | ah well, I'm mostly just giving you crap Lunessa :) |
| 17:55.25 | Shirik | Devil's advocate |
| 17:55.28 | Shirik | I should go to sleep |
| 17:55.37 | Lunessa | :P |
| 17:55.52 | Shirik | I'm .... what's the word |
| 17:56.01 | Lunessa | trolling? |
| 17:56.06 | Shirik | .. no |
| 17:56.15 | Shirik | I advocate murphy's law. If there's a way someone can break something, they'll do it. |
| 17:57.50 | Lunessa | I concur. |
| 17:57.55 | alestane | Lunessa: I have the text for exactly such an addon somewhere. |
| 17:58.04 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the latest oots is awesome. |
| 17:58.19 | Lunessa | Heh, I was just about to noodle it up because work is dull and I don't want to write CSS |
| 18:00.59 | Lunessa | BonusActionBarFrame:UnregisterAllEvents(); BonusActionBarFrame:Hide(); - done? |
| 18:01.32 | alestane | BonusActionBarFrame.Show = function (self) end |
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| 18:06.30 | Shirik | and now it is time for sleep |
| 18:07.15 | Shirik|zZz | ... or not |
| 18:07.20 | Shirik|zZz | Warning!: One or more files are in a conflicted state. |
| 18:07.22 | Shirik|zZz | :( |
| 18:07.45 | Garoun|Loupana | Toss them a few pills and have them call you in the morning |
| 18:07.47 | Shirik|zZz | note to self: commit code before leaving town |
| 18:08.01 | Shirik|zZz | ..... wtf |
| 18:08.05 | Shirik|zZz | you know what the problem was? |
| 18:08.38 | Garoun|Loupana | They needed a stern talking to? :) |
| 18:08.55 | Shirik|zZz | Line 128: Theirs: } Mine: }; |
| 18:09.14 | Garoun|Loupana | lol |
| 18:10.53 | Shirik|zZz | ok now it's bedtime |
| 18:11.10 | foxlit | "How many times would a princess be saved and lost, before she decides the tower in the middle of the contested zone isn't a great idea?" |
| 18:11.27 | foxlit | (slashdot has a post about persistence in virtual worlds) |
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| 18:12.09 | Lunessa | foxlit: those of low intelligence are unable to learn from their observations. |
| 18:12.59 | NightHawkTheSan1 | foxlit: that's more or less my biggest complaint with mmog's. |
| 18:13.20 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i was about to say "modern mmogs", but it's not really limited to those. |
| 18:13.24 | Lunessa | Most of them are "static" worlds, not really persistent. |
| 18:13.25 | Rabbitbunny | what's the alternative? merit quests? |
| 18:13.49 | foxlit | Increased player separation, which nobody seems to want |
| 18:13.59 | NightHawkTheSane | The alternative is going to have to be a ground-up re-thinking of game, world, and quest design. |
| 18:14.01 | foxlit | The death knight starting zone is an example. |
| 18:14.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, although that's only part of the way, really. |
| 18:14.33 | foxlit | You and thousands of other players occupy the same zone - and as you complete objectives, your zone changes to reflect that |
| 18:14.47 | foxlit | Of course, you sacrifice the ability to see people who aren't on your schedule. |
| 18:15.18 | NightHawkTheSane | given the large scale design of wow, it's a good attempt. |
| 18:15.43 | Lunessa | I mean, if I want Baron Rivendare's sword of uberness, and I go and kill Baron Rivendare for it - and my actions impact the world, no one else can get to Baron Rivendare - He's dead. |
| 18:16.12 | foxlit | Lunessa: Bob the Wizard resurrects Rivendare every 3 hours. |
| 18:16.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: exactly. the consequence of that from a design perspective has to be a shift away from drop-centric gearing. |
| 18:16.35 | Lunessa | Yeah, which means I go kill that asshat bob so he quits doing that. |
| 18:16.51 | foxlit | Ah, but Bob is elusive and more powerful than you |
| 18:17.05 | foxlit | So if you ever get to see him, you can be guaranteed a swift death :) |
| 18:17.08 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Not only gearing, but kills in general. |
| 18:17.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: indeed, although once you've separated gear from mobs, killing is less of an issue. at least in my opinin |
| 18:17.40 | Lunessa | If my mission is to kill Edwin Van Cleef, and my actions change the world, then no one else gets to either. |
| 18:18.20 | foxlit | I think the problem is not really "no one else" -- some of that could be forgiven |
| 18:18.32 | foxlit | The problem is that you get to kill Brutallus over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. |
| 18:18.50 | NightHawkTheSane | well, not even "get to", so much as "have to" |
| 18:19.28 | Lunessa | So, yeah... most worlds are 'static' because you can't eliminate opportunities for everyone to experience content. Events like opening the AQ gates are good examples of getting it right. The Sunwell series is also good. |
| 18:19.36 | Shirik|zZz | hm |
| 18:19.43 | Shirik|zZz | no sooner do I get home than I get a message on my cell phone |
| 18:19.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: agreed, in general |
| 18:20.08 | Shirik|zZz | "AREAL FLOOD WARNING has been issued for 32114. Expires at 18:00 EDT 08/23/08" |
| 18:20.10 | Tekkub | WTB ability to completely disable and remove "search: in windows |
| 18:20.11 | Drundia | AQ opening is bad example, during actual opening people couldn't even log in.... |
| 18:20.15 | Shirik|zZz | "Welcome back?" |
| 18:20.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Drundia: technical mistakes aside, he's talking about the process from release -> opening. :P |
| 18:20.34 | Tekkub | I've not used the thing in years... |
| 18:20.36 | Stanzilla | Tekkub: wtb right click in MRGN :P |
| 18:20.51 | Shirik|zZz | Tekkub: wtb windows, u working again in vista.... |
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| 18:20.54 | NightHawkTheSane | I think, for a non-static persistent world to work, the world in general has to behave much more like AQ/Sunwell, really. |
| 18:20.58 | Tekkub | download the alpha build, ass |
| 18:21.01 | Lunessa | AQ Opening quest line. Lots of player participation, lots of build up, anyone can be involved, and ... world is different as a result of player actions. |
| 18:21.05 | Unregistered | how do i use cosmos |
| 18:21.09 | Shirik|zZz | Windows U used to be easy way to shut down |
| 18:21.11 | Tekkub | Shirik|zZz, yes, Wista |
| 18:21.22 | Shirik|zZz | Now Windows U is "Oh let's find everything that starts with U" |
| 18:21.26 | Shirik|zZz | fortunately I don't shut down often |
| 18:21.34 | Shirik|zZz | Unregistered: You start by installing it |
| 18:21.38 | Unregistered | how do i use cosmos |
| 18:21.41 | Shirik|zZz | After you install it, you click things and out comes a result |
| 18:21.43 | Unregistered | k |
| 18:22.08 | Tekkub | never used win-U |
| 18:22.20 | Shirik|zZz | I liked it :( |
| 18:22.35 | Tekkub | win-r is about the only one I ever use |
| 18:22.41 | foxlit | Lunessa: and yet, was it fun? |
| 18:22.46 | foxlit | Farming all that Linen? |
| 18:22.50 | Shirik|zZz | win+r still works fortunately |
| 18:22.56 | Shirik|zZz | If they took that away from me, heads would roll |
| 18:23.12 | Lunessa | foxlit: The theory was good. Execution sucked shit through a tube. |
| 18:24.08 | Stanzilla | Tekkub: ok that works, thank you :P |
| 18:24.23 | Shirik|zZz | oh, and windows+pause |
| 18:24.30 | Shirik|zZz | another good thing that I would kill them if tehy took out |
| 18:24.39 | Tekkub | what's win-pause? |
| 18:24.43 | Drundia | sadly theory is always superior to execution in wow |
| 18:24.50 | Shirik|zZz | Oh btw, Tekkub, at my school, Win+R and Win+E result in "This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions on this computer" |
| 18:24.56 | Shirik|zZz | And every time I see that message, I stab a kitten |
| 18:25.02 | Shirik|zZz | Fortunately, IT is not allowed in my lab anymore |
| 18:25.07 | Drundia | noooooo poor kittens :( |
| 18:25.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Drundia: eh, its not just wow |
| 18:25.14 | Shirik|zZz | Tekkub: Shows the system panel |
| 18:25.17 | Tekkub | good think they keep kittens in the comp labs at your school |
| 18:25.19 | Shirik|zZz | easy way to get device manager, etc. |
| 18:25.34 | Shirik|zZz | Tekkub: They're there for stabbing |
| 18:25.40 | Tekkub | actually... that's a great idea... all computer labs should include kittens to reduce stress |
| 18:25.44 | Shirik|zZz | exactly |
| 18:25.55 | Shirik|zZz | bring your own knife though |
| 18:26.14 | Shirik|zZz | I don't want to have to clean up after someone else didn't |
| 18:31.13 | Stanzilla | Tekkub: deDE of Death Knight = Todesritter |
| 18:31.23 | Tekkub | :P |
| 18:31.58 | Duman | heh |
| 18:33.45 | Drundia | AQ situation was bad mainly because players needed to do a lot of that which they wouldn't want to do otherwise. SW on the other hand was about giving players money and players did it for that money, not for event progression. |
| 18:34.28 | Tekkub | statement of the obvious |
| 18:35.23 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: for SBB wotlk build 8820 compatibility, change SimpleBuffBars.lua:289 to: CancelUnitBuff("player", self.data.buffIndex) (yeah, probably needs some kind of backwards compatibility if you try to keep it working on both live and beta) |
| 18:35.39 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 18:35.40 | Shadowed | kk thanks |
| 18:36.39 | Gnarfoz | CancelPlayerBuff(index) is gone, replaced by CancelUnitBuff(unit,index) ;) |
| 18:36.47 | Gnarfoz | or rather, name. |
| 18:36.56 | Gnarfoz | you do get kd3's diff mails? ;) |
| 18:37.44 | Shadowed | Nope |
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| 18:40.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Drundia: sure, strictly from a player-enjoyment point of view, Sunwell was probably better executed, but by that point they'd had a lot of hindsight. There's cases to be made for it being equally as poor (in theory) as AQ, though. Ultimately, though, the intent of both was good. |
| 18:40.29 | Shadowed | what |
| 18:40.35 | Shadowed | Sunwell is awesome |
| 18:40.39 | Shadowed | theres no case for it being as bad as AQ |
| 18:41.02 | NightHawkTheSane | If we're talking about non-static persistent world design, there is. |
| 18:41.27 | Shadowed | I'm talking about a "This is actually fun" perspective |
| 18:41.41 | NightHawkTheSane | which has nothing to do with the discussion :P |
| 18:41.48 | Shadowed | Yea I just saw you said it was as poor as AQ :p |
| 18:41.52 | Shadowed | didn't actually read everything else |
| 18:41.59 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i know. :P |
| 18:48.25 | Lunessa | I'm starving. Going to get foods. Maybe I'll torment the the drive through operator by saying "I can has cheeseburger?" |
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| 18:48.33 | Stanzilla | Tekkub: [2008/08/23 20:47:27-2040-x1]: teknicolor-Alpha\teknicolor.lua:66: attempt to index local 'c' (a nil value) :P |
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| 18:50.47 | Stanzilla | <3 |
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| 18:57.37 | Stanzilla | Tekkub: oh and deDE female for Death Knight is "Todesritterin" |
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| 19:04.29 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: did they add that just recently? I checked last build and it wasnt female'ized yet |
| 19:04.42 | Stanzilla | a friend told me |
| 19:04.55 | Stanzilla | I use the engb client |
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| 19:19.14 | Shadowed | lame |
| 19:19.19 | Shadowed | wowhead contest cancelled because of cheaters |
| 19:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 19:19.36 | Fisker- | >:) |
| 19:19.42 | Tekkub | heh |
| 19:19.55 | Fisker- | i sure showed you |
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| 19:23.39 | Lunessa | I has returned. |
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| 19:54.16 | Lyn___ | Shadowed, ah... I knew it... can't be that someone can find every 5 pages in 1-5 minutes |
| 19:54.35 | Lyn___ | My best was 15 minutes... :/ |
| 19:57.24 | Jamash | hmf, the Addon Kit isn't extracting Blizzard_FeedbackUI |
| 19:57.45 | Jamash | time for an mpq extractor |
| 19:57.46 | Matrix110| | Because its not part of the "live" ui I guess |
| 19:57.59 | Lyn_ | Tekkub, btw.. tourguide rocks, except one "small" issue I have in the Bloodmyth (second draenei area) guide :x |
| 20:05.50 | foxlit | Wonder what keeps crashing Northrend |
| 20:06.28 | Tekkub | I just logged out, it couldn't live without me |
| 20:08.59 | Jamash | so I'm creating buttons that imitate spellbook buttons, and the feedback UI thinks they're actually part of the spellbook |
| 20:10.50 | Jamash | but then for some reason it's running GetContainerItemLink... maybe it thinks they're inventory slots? |
| 20:12.00 | Jamash | oh for... it's doing matching based on the name of the tooltip owner frame, and since my addon doesn't match it's falling through to the default |
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| 20:21.46 | Bait_ | if (event=="COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED" and arg10 =="Fade") then BLRotateConf.Cooldowns[arg4]=arg1; end -- Why does this throw an error?:< "table index is nil" |
| 20:22.35 | wereHamster | arg4 is nil |
| 20:23.03 | wereHamster | or the table BLRotateConf doesn't have any entry 'Cooldowns' |
| 20:23.28 | Bait_ | It does, its also set correctly |
| 20:23.42 | Bait_ | There might be another event where arg10 is "Fade" and arg4 nill |
| 20:23.45 | Bait_ | bah |
| 20:24.12 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: btw, SBB (WotLK) on WoWI is from "sh" instead of from you? or is that you, too? ^^ (and: do you have some other VCS where you update more regularly, or are you mainly using the actual WoWI repos of your addons?) |
| 20:24.24 | Shadowed | Shadowed is me |
| 20:24.41 | Bait_ | Ahh yes, got it |
| 20:24.44 | Shadowed | and shadowed-wow.googlecode.com is my SVN |
| 20:25.15 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: yeah, but on WoWI, there's "sh", too? :D |
| 20:25.21 | Shadowed | Sh? |
| 20:25.22 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10285-SimpleBuffBarsWoTLK.html |
| 20:26.58 | Shadowed | Oh |
| 20:27.06 | Shadowed | I think Cair missed that |
| 20:27.09 | Shadowed | thats me still |
| 20:27.32 | Cairenn | that is you? |
| 20:27.39 | Shadowed | yea |
| 20:27.45 | Cairenn | well duh |
| 20:27.46 | Shadowed | I hope it is |
| 20:27.47 | Gnarfoz | I figured as much from the file comments ;) |
| 20:28.44 | Cairenn | ownership transfered to "shadowed" |
| 20:28.54 | Shadowed | It was already listed as owned by me! |
| 20:28.57 | Shadowed | Just the authors name was different |
| 20:29.06 | Cairenn | ocd, remember? |
| 20:29.15 | Shadowed | ocd? |
| 20:29.28 | Shadowed | I actually pretended I knew what that means :p |
| 20:29.41 | Cairenn | obsessive compulsive disorder |
| 20:30.16 | Cairenn | I'm not actually ocd, but |
| 20:30.42 | Shadowed | ahhh |
| 20:30.58 | Shadowed | Thanks :p |
| 20:31.03 | Cairenn | welcome :p |
| 20:31.56 | Jamash | is anyone else having problems with tooltips and the blizzard feedback ui? |
| 20:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 20:33.34 | Jamash | I'm showing a spell tooltip and the feedback UI is throwing an error because my addon isn't in its list of known frames |
| 20:34.48 | Jamash | it apparently expects spell button names to start with "SpellButton" |
| 20:35.00 | Jamash | I guess I could rename mine, but that seems dumb |
| 20:37.02 | Jamash | yep, renaming the button worked |
| 20:43.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. lunch. pizza.. sub.. hmmm |
| 21:04.25 | Fisker- | i hate you NightHawkTheSane |
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| 21:22.08 | Lunessa | pizza.. nom nom nom |
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| 21:29.55 | cladhaire | the 12 meg realvideo files i have from 12 years ago aren't quality enough for m. |
| 21:30.12 | cladhaire | hawt |
| 21:30.38 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: ... thats.. slightly crazier than me thinking of downloading mash |
| 21:31.00 | cladhaire | and worse, I'm actually doing it. |
| 21:31.06 | NightHawkTheSane | true |
| 21:31.30 | cladhaire | I'm a collector, its terrible |
| 21:31.47 | cladhaire | I have all Final Fantasy (Nobuo Uematsu) music he published prior to FF10 coming out. |
| 21:32.04 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, I understand. :P |
| 21:32.17 | kd3 | $ du -hs /data/pub/music/final_fantasy/ |
| 21:32.17 | kd3 | 41G/data/pub/music/final_fantasy/ |
| 21:32.18 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.22 | NightHawkTheSane | I actually have (i think) all of the pre-ff10 music as well >.> |
| 21:32.37 | cladhaire | potion is my favorite album by far |
| 21:32.41 | Esine | kd3, me want :( |
| 21:32.54 | kd3 | check boxtorrents. there's a massive .flac collection |
| 21:33.00 | Esine | .flac |
| 21:33.02 | cladhaire | I imported a few albums, it just got too expensive |
| 21:33.08 | Esine | every song is 5 gigabytes? |
| 21:33.28 | kd3 | http://www.boxtorrents.com/torrent/130907/Final_Fantasy_Lossless_Music_Collection.html |
| 21:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | 1.5G/Volumes/Eiri/Music/Nobuo Uematsu |
| 21:33.42 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 21:33.43 | Esine | I cant tell the difference between 64kbps mp3 vs flac so whatever |
| 21:33.50 | kd3 | there's a lossy version too |
| 21:33.56 | Esine | great |
| 21:34.00 | kd3 | http://www.boxtorrents.com/torrent/129144/Final_Fantasy_Perfect_Collection_v2.0.html |
| 21:34.03 | Esine | thanks |
| 21:34.15 | Tekkub | 64kpbs mp3 sounds like shit.... |
| 21:34.17 | Esine | (for helping me break the law) |
| 21:34.32 | Tekkub | now 192kbps mp3 vs flac, sure |
| 21:34.49 | Chompers | what's the riaas number agin? |
| 21:34.50 | cladhaire | any idea what the bitrate on the lossy version is? |
| 21:34.54 | Chompers | not that i want to call them or anything |
| 21:35.06 | kd3 | I think they're vbr |
| 21:35.10 | Tekkub | Chompers, 1-800-ASS-RAPE |
| 21:35.30 | NightHawkTheSane | V0 vbr? >.> |
| 21:36.42 | Chompers | i rang that number last time, bad things happened |
| 21:36.44 | Chompers | mostly to my butt |
| 21:38.02 | foxlit | Hm, this looks interesting |
| 21:38.16 | foxlit | I have to store a variable number of variably named attributes to be able to restore them later |
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| 21:39.52 | wereHamster | can someone help me out in halflife2/episode one? I'm in the elevator where debris is falling down onto me and I'm supposed to use the gravity gun and the energy balls to stop the debris from falling down onto the elevator. But it's impossible to deflect the second piece, it always falls down onto me :( |
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| 21:40.43 | wereHamster | no matter how I shoot the balls, it always destroys the elevator and kills me. |
| 21:41.05 | Tekkub | don't shoot the balls, tug gently |
| 21:41.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm pretty sure if you're shooting balls, something has gone horribly, horribly wrong |
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| 21:57.21 | Jamash | can I make a SecureActionButton behave like a regular action button on a left-click but do something else (hide itself) on a right-click? |
| 21:57.49 | Iriel | Jamash: You can.. are you asking for 2.4 or 3.0? |
| 21:58.05 | Jamash | 3.0 |
| 21:58.14 | Iriel | Oh good. 8-) |
| 21:59.02 | foxlit | I has a wrath pie. |
| 21:59.24 | Iriel | SecureHandlerWrapScript(button, "OnClick", button, "if (button == 'RightButton') then self:Hide(); return false; end"); |
| 21:59.51 | Iriel | that should do the trick, I think |
| 21:59.56 | Jamash | spiffy |
| 22:01.00 | Iriel | Make sure you register it to receive right clicks, of course |
| 22:01.12 | Jamash | yeah I have that already |
| 22:01.13 | Tekkub | I forget that all the time |
| 22:02.06 | Jamash | it works! Thanks! |
| 22:02.09 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm going home. Hopefully this is the last Saturday I have to work for a while. |
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| 22:02.24 | Lunessa | Ciao. |
| 22:02.29 | Iriel | Jamash: Yay, another victory for the new simplicity 8-) |
| 22:02.40 | Drundia | give more of it please |
| 22:02.48 | Tekkub | hrm... I jsut realized something |
| 22:02.57 | foxlit | I feel like I'm mixing header and button code in WrapScript :/ |
| 22:03.11 | Tekkub | I could make Cork create a queue of what buffs to cast on who when entering combat |
| 22:03.13 | foxlit | Can I layer wraps? |
| 22:03.13 | Iriel | foxlit: You are 8-) But there's no rule to say both can't be the same frame |
| 22:03.20 | Tekkub | *ponder* |
| 22:03.23 | Iriel | foxlit: yes, with different headers if you wish |
| 22:03.40 | foxlit | So there's only one wrap per frame/header pair? |
| 22:03.44 | Tekkub | meh, I've always preffered Cork's OOC-only design anyway |
| 22:03.58 | Iriel | foxlit: no, unlimited wraps, each with independent header/code |
| 22:04.24 | foxlit | I think my notation sucked there |
| 22:04.27 | foxlit | (frame, header) pair? |
| 22:04.42 | Iriel | well, they're keyed by (frame, "scriptid") |
| 22:04.52 | Iriel | and they contain (header, "prebody", "postbody") |
| 22:04.59 | Iriel | but you can have any number of the latter for one of the former |
| 22:06.05 | foxlit | So what does that pose for: headerA:WrapScript(buttonX, "OnClick", "print('foo')"); headerA:WrapScript(buttonX, "OnClick", "print('bar')"); ? |
| 22:06.11 | Iriel | (each wrap is implemented as a special closure, with two or three upvalues depending on whether you had a post body) |
| 22:06.26 | Iriel | It'll print bar then foo |
| 22:06.28 | Iriel | then do the normal action |
| 22:07.46 | Iriel | More interestingly you can do |
| 22:08.35 | Drundia | and how do we get rid of them later? |
| 22:08.42 | Iriel | headerA:WrapScript(buttonX, "OnClick", "print('foo', owner:GetName())"); headerB:WrapScript(buttonX, "OnClick", "print('bar', owner:GetName())"); |
| 22:08.52 | Iriel | and it'llprint bar headerB, foo headerA, then do the action |
| 22:08.55 | Iriel | Drundia: there's an UnwrapScript |
| 22:09.21 | Iriel | which also returns the parameters of the wrap, so you can if you want remove one from the middle (though you obviously have to re-create anything that was "on top") |
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| 22:26.13 | Jamash | here's my problem: I have a SecureActionButton, and I want to call secure code on a left-click but insecure code on a right-click |
| 22:26.21 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. safeway chinese food.. ah, the mediocrity. |
| 22:26.25 | Tem | son of a bitch |
| 22:26.33 | Tem | just got a group together for UK |
| 22:26.47 | NightHawkTheSane | and northrend crashed? :P |
| 22:26.56 | Tem | *sigh* yup |
| 22:27.07 | foxlit | always :) |
| 22:27.08 | NightHawkTheSane | it's kinda sad how i knew that. |
| 22:27.21 | foxlit | Jamash: there's an easy way out |
| 22:27.25 | Bait_ | Is it possible to get the unit id of a player wich is in a raid? |
| 22:27.31 | Iriel | Jamash: Unfortunately the 'easy' code for that is broken right now.. but it'll work eventually 8-) |
| 22:27.46 | foxlit | SetAttributes(button, "type","AnyNonMatchingTypeString", "AnyNonMatchingTypeString",yourFunc); |
| 22:27.48 | Iriel | But PreClick is your friend |
| 22:28.03 | Iriel | I think it's type = "function", isn't it? |
| 22:28.07 | foxlit | ("type2" on right click) |
| 22:28.13 | foxlit | I'm not sure |
| 22:28.24 | foxlit | I'm basing it largely on 2.x |
| 22:28.35 | foxlit | Oh, and I'm also slightly wrong |
| 22:28.42 | Tem | I bet the drake I had just caught will have despawned as well |
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| 22:29.04 | foxlit | It's really button:SetAttributes("*type2", "myCustomHandler") button.myCustomHandler = function(self, button, down) ... end |
| 22:29.56 | foxlit | (any time the type attribute misses all of the pre-defined secure handlers, it'll look up its value as a key in its frame's table, and call it) |
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| 22:30.22 | Jamash | ooo |
| 22:30.34 | Tem | wtb character list |
| 22:30.46 | foxlit | Hm, I'm doing something horribly wrong |
| 22:30.54 | foxlit | local realRadius = (x*x*self:GetWidth() + y*y*self:GetHeight())^0.5; |
| 22:31.09 | Iriel | Yes, yes you are |
| 22:31.27 | Iriel | you need to square width and height too |
| 22:31.39 | foxlit | Well, I cheated to make that true |
| 22:31.57 | foxlit | (I wonder if anyone minds frames that are more than four times the viewport's size) |
| 22:32.08 | foxlit | er, wrong square, and yeah, that was it :) |
| 22:32.17 | Iriel | the old pie button did it, so I doubt it |
| 22:32.43 | Iriel | Though 'at MOST' 4 times the viewport's size is achievable |
| 22:32.55 | Iriel | usually much smaller |
| 22:33.11 | Iriel | In fact, you can get away with just the viewport's size |
| 22:33.17 | Iriel | and remap the relative position |
| 22:35.35 | foxlit | http://www.pastey.net/94531 |
| 22:35.54 | foxlit | Surprisingly, it works :) |
| 22:36.06 | Jamash | foxlit: happy happy dance, it works perfectly |
| 22:37.21 | Shirik|zZz | foxlit: btw, did you ever play with that code from this morning? |
| 22:37.32 | foxlit | Shirik|zZz: C? |
| 22:37.32 | Shirik|zZz | Was I right in my assessment that you're just killing the stack? |
| 22:37.35 | Shirik | yeah |
| 22:38.16 | foxlit | Using malloc doesn't incur segfaults; I'm killing something, but I'm not sure whether it's the stack |
| 22:38.35 | Shirik | I'm fairly certain it's the stack because the stack's not that big, but something was bugging me about it when I was driving today |
| 22:38.56 | Shirik | I want to know what it does differently when allocating a constant sized array of that size |
| 22:39.07 | Shirik | If it just behind-the-scenes turns it into a pointer or what |
| 22:39.43 | Shirik | unfortunately, I can't test it on visual studio :) |
| 22:39.51 | Shirik | let's see if cygwin's GCC conforms to C99 |
| 22:41.30 | Esine | Shirik, not even the latest gcc conforms to C99 fully |
| 22:41.41 | Shirik | yes but it conforms enough to the problem at hand |
| 22:41.49 | Esine | sure |
| 22:42.07 | foxlit | They describe their implementation of variable-length arrays as "broken" to begin with :) |
| 22:42.29 | Corrodias | to someone like me, C/C++ looks to me like a horrifyingly large monster with many semi-compatible modules and little to no documentation or standardization |
| 22:43.04 | Shirik | ah foxlit |
| 22:43.06 | Shirik | that crashes too |
| 22:43.12 | Corrodias | how can the most famous compiler for linux not comply with 9-year-old standards? |
| 22:43.12 | foxlit | Corrodias: is there anything that doesn't look like that? |
| 22:43.17 | Shirik | and in cygwin's gcc, provides the debug message that the stack got corrupted |
| 22:43.27 | Shirik | so I feel a little better now :) |
| 22:44.00 | Esine | Corrodias, I don't think is any compiler that does support it |
| 22:44.11 | Esine | most certainly not borland's or vc++ compilers |
| 22:44.15 | Corrodias | foxlit: lua, java, probably others except that i never hear anything about them. this is just an impression, mind you, and impressions do not always fully reflect reality. |
| 22:44.35 | Shirik | Esine: You don't give enough credit to visual studio |
| 22:44.44 | Shirik | The majority of the things they don't support they have good reason to support in 2008 |
| 22:44.49 | foxlit | Any suggestions on how I could split http://www.pastey.net/94531 into something resembling coherent parts rather than one large string? |
| 22:44.51 | Corrodias | so an even better question is, how is it that no compiler has managed to support this thing in nine years? |
| 22:44.51 | Shirik | s/to support/to not support/ |
| 22:45.07 | Esine | oh, according to wikipedia Sun Studio whatever that is supports C99 fully |
| 22:45.34 | Shirik | Corrodias: Because the things that aren't supported are esoteric or rarely-used, and there is "other functionality" that is sometimes considered "better" |
| 22:45.50 | Iriel | foxlit: Assign the mapping function to another string, and :Run it |
| 22:45.57 | Shirik | Such as C++'s horrible exception specifications |
| 22:46.06 | Corrodias | i guess that's okay. then i have to wonder, who decided on this "C99" if nobody bothers to follow it exactly? |
| 22:46.17 | Corrodias | apparently it wasn't anyone who makes a compiler |
| 22:46.22 | Shirik | though I'm referring to C++ due to Esine's comment about vs |
| 22:46.25 | Iriel | foxlit: There's the overhead of a secure function call, but it's much cleaner, and for a click thats likely acceptable |
| 22:46.53 | Esine | Shirik, I didn't specifically mean to mock vc++ or anything |
| 22:47.01 | Esine | and this was about c99 and not c++ :| |
| 22:47.04 | Shirik | Corrodias: They knew what they were doing :) Just nothing's ever done exactly right |
| 22:47.11 | Esine | what you said could be applied to any compiler then |
| 22:47.15 | Shirik | Well, Esine, vc++ is not a C compiler :) |
| 22:47.21 | Esine | ah, true |
| 22:47.33 | Esine | hm.. |
| 22:47.37 | Shirik | It can "compile as C" but they note it is still not a C compiler. It merely produces unmangled names, follows C conventions, etc. |
| 22:47.44 | Shirik | and relaxes some C++ restrictions |
| 22:47.44 | Iriel | foxlit: I'd also move the various settings to globals rather than attributes |
| 22:48.04 | Corrodias | well, i can see how it's not as bad as it looks to someone like me who isn't TOO familiar with C/C++. i hope you can understand why it looks that way, to me, though. |
| 22:48.09 | foxlit | Can I perhaps sneak tables in there, even if stripped-down ones? |
| 22:48.34 | Shirik | Corrodias: Suffice to say, pretty much everything you come by will be supported in all well-known compilers |
| 22:48.41 | Iriel | you can create tables inside, you just cant pass them back and forth |
| 22:48.48 | Shirik | What you get when you don't have conformance to C99 is "improved functionality" |
| 22:49.02 | Shirik | Which is merely extending the specification |
| 22:49.21 | Corrodias | :) |
| 22:49.52 | foxlit | Iriel: I see control:Run(body, ...) |
| 22:49.52 | Shirik | now, time to order pizza |
| 22:50.04 | Corrodias | control:Run(body, mind) |
| 22:50.11 | foxlit | What exactly does body identify, and how do I set it? :) |
| 22:50.17 | Corrodias | looks like some kind of mantra |
| 22:51.31 | Drundia | omg, buttons can't /click themselves... |
| 22:51.44 | Drundia | and i was wondering why it doesn't work... |
| 22:53.03 | foxlit | Drundia: something actually checks? |
| 22:53.34 | Iriel | it's a string, containing lua code |
| 22:53.49 | Iriel | you can set it however you want |
| 22:54.04 | Iriel | assign it to a global earlier with :Execute, |
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| 22:54.52 | foxlit | Ah, I see |
| 22:55.53 | alestane | It's as close as we get to internal functions. |
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| 22:56.55 | foxlit | I assume they're compiled and cached; so there's probably a reason for the extra runaround instead of :DeclareFunction("name", "signature", "body"). |
| 22:57.07 | Iriel | they are indeed, cached by body |
| 22:58.04 | Jamash1 | I wrote all this code assuming spell button IDs were absolute and now it turns out they're relative to the currently selected spellbook tab |
| 22:58.30 | foxlit | Jamash1: you'll now proceed to fix it in about half the time it took you to write it :) |
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| 23:11.47 | Shirik | You know, I love it when chats go something like |
| 23:11.52 | Shirik | "Just go download cartographer" |
| 23:12.01 | Shirik | "I can't, WoW doesn't support it for some reason" |
| 23:12.09 | Shirik | People NEVER are willing to believe they are the cause of their problem |
| 23:12.33 | Jamash | HA! It was one measly function call! |
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| 23:28.06 | Tem | WTB Character list, PST |
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| 23:29.20 | Bait_ | Is there any way of delaying the execution of a function without using onupdate? |
| 23:29.32 | Gnarfoz | using Events |
| 23:32.04 | Iriel | Or a button labelled 'click me later' |
| 23:32.16 | Shirik | Bait_, that's a .... strange question |
| 23:32.28 | Shirik | I would advise asking more directly what you're trying to do |
| 23:32.32 | Gnarfoz | it's not, really, it's rather common ;) |
| 23:32.35 | Bait_ | Hehe, okay |
| 23:32.42 | Bait_ | Im trying to make an addon |
| 23:32.51 | Bait_ | To swap shamans for BL rotation on a group |
| 23:33.09 | Kaso|iPod | lol at click me later |
| 23:33.21 | Bait_ | But i cannot use SwapRaidSubgroup since its protected |
| 23:33.54 | Bait_ | So i have to use SetRaidSubgroup several times |
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| 23:34.09 | Drundia | oh, "click me later" button sounds absolutely awesome. |
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| 23:34.30 | Bait_ | Thats okay, for swaping 2 people, but then, i need to swap 3 people :< |
| 23:35.07 | Iriel | Weird, why would SwapRaidSubgroup be protected, but SetRaidSubgroup not? |
| 23:35.31 | Kaso|iPod | if its protected clicking buttons is all you can do |
| 23:35.52 | Bait_ | Well, yes |
| 23:36.02 | Bait_ | I do the switching from clicking buttons |
| 23:36.15 | Bait_ | But can i do 2 switches by pressing just once? :D |
| 23:37.36 | Shirik | Bait_: Are you talking about wotlk or live? |
| 23:37.41 | Bait_ | Live |
| 23:37.46 | Shirik | um... |
| 23:37.57 | Bait_ | I'm not realy interested in swapping Bloodlusts in wotlk atm :D |
| 23:38.32 | foxlit | Iriel: self:ClearBinding(true, "BUTTON2"); |
| 23:38.40 | Shirik | Bait_: I do not see that it's protected |
| 23:38.59 | Shirik | unless it's only in-combat which I haven't tested |
| 23:39.09 | Iriel | foxlit: clear binding only takes one arg |
| 23:39.17 | Bait_ | Well, i havent realy tried it |
| 23:39.25 | Bait_ | But, wowwiki says it is |
| 23:39.36 | Bait_ | And i think i have read about it giving errors in combat |
| 23:39.51 | foxlit | Iriel: ah, thanks, I really should update my bookmark to draft8 |
| 23:39.52 | Iriel | foxlit: but I found the error in my doc that implies it doesnt |
| 23:40.10 | Shirik | ah yeah, it's only in-combat |
| 23:40.23 | Iriel | It's right in the reference summary at the back of draft7, just not in the main text. |
| 23:41.06 | Bait_ | I managed to achieve what SwapRaidSubgroup by using a combination of SetRaidSubgroup |
| 23:41.23 | Bait_ | is doing* |
| 23:43.49 | Gnarfoz | wtf is draft7/8? ;D |
| 23:43.54 | Gnarfoz | sounds reasonably obscure ;) |
| 23:43.56 | Bait_ | But if i call it repeatedly, it swapes wierd :< |
| 23:45.01 | Bait_ | But if i do the swaps manualy, using the function, it works exactly as expected, so introducing a delay might just make it work again |
| 23:47.10 | Bait_ | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94539 ^_^ |
| 23:47.29 | Shirik | imho |
| 23:47.36 | Shirik | Make a OnUpdate routine to manage a queue |
| 23:47.45 | Shirik | inject swaps into that queue |
| 23:47.48 | Shirik | handle them one at a time |
| 23:48.06 | Shirik | alternatively (and more correctly) have a queue processed at RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 23:48.11 | Bait_ | Thats what i was going to do if i could find no other alternative :< |
| 23:48.25 | Bait_ | Oh, AWESOME ideea ! :D |
| 23:48.39 | Iriel | Gnarfoz: http://www.iriel.org/wow/docs/SecureHeadersGuide%20-%20draft8.pdf |
| 23:48.52 | Bait_ | Thanks a bunch |
| 23:49.22 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: thanks. for some reason NoScript thinks it should block that, lol, I guess I should check some settings ;) |
| 23:49.49 | Gnarfoz | oh, right. I installed Adobe Reader because DHL's online ticket printing stuff doesn't work with Foxit reader :X |
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| 23:49.56 | Gnarfoz | and now it hijacked PDFs in Firefox |
| 23:50.02 | Gnarfoz | damn PoS product *uninstall* |
| 23:51.49 | Shirik | gotta love noscript |
| 23:52.05 | Shirik | Most useless fan-celebrated program in a long time imo :) |
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| 23:53.31 | Bait_ | When changeing someone's subgroup in a raid, is it possible to have changed his unit name just by doing that? |
| 23:53.49 | Shirik | well, his name is always a valid unit name |
| 23:53.52 | Shirik | if that simplifies things |
| 23:55.04 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: how's it useless? oO |
| 23:55.22 | Shirik | I find that it does not really give any significant gain, but perhaps I'm a nutcase too |
| 23:55.25 | Gnarfoz | and I'm not (and not aware of anyone) celebrating it. I'm using it. |
| 23:55.35 | Shirik | Oh I wasn't accusiing you of that |
| 23:55.48 | Shirik | however, there seems to be this cult out there that is pretty much "Install NoScript now or you will die a painful death!" |
| 23:55.52 | Gnarfoz | if for nothing else than not autostarting flash movies, I already find it useful ;> |
| 23:56.03 | Shirik | Much like the Firefox cult, however I find Firefox to actually be useful |
| 23:56.08 | Gnarfoz | you could probably just as well disabled JS and uninstall flash and be even safer |
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