| 00:00.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 00:00.34 | ScytheBlade1 | http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ticket/275 |
| 00:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 00:00.53 | Mike-N-Go | That is because it melts! |
| 00:00.55 | Maldivia | a lot of minor changes to warrior talents |
| 00:01.47 | Shirik | Any T6 raiding holy priests around? |
| 00:02.41 | Duman | holy crap: Enrage (Fury) now increases damage done by 3/6/9/12/15%, limitation on number of attacks removed. |
| 00:02.46 | Duman | the second part of that is !! |
| 00:02.49 | Maldivia | runic power mastery now +30 max RP ! |
| 00:03.16 | smcn | nice, and is deathcoil 40 rp again? |
| 00:03.24 | foxlit | I wonder if that'd ever be useful |
| 00:03.27 | Sixen | So, is the WoW Olympics not giving Tyrael pets for the US Realm? |
| 00:03.32 | Sixen | Er, WoWWiki* |
| 00:03.36 | foxlit | When could you end up stacking RP faster than spending it? |
| 00:03.43 | End | The pets are tied to the WWI cards |
| 00:03.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: you can e-mail blizz and say you need it converted to a US-capable key |
| 00:03.46 | smcn | i do all the time questing as blood |
| 00:03.48 | kd3 | it can. the tyrael stuff is a resort of using a wwi card |
| 00:03.55 | foxlit | cmcn: more death coil :) |
| 00:03.59 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter__ (n=bleeter@thesheepdip.bleeter.id.au) |
| 00:03.59 | Sixen | Are you giving out the cards or the key itself? |
| 00:04.08 | kd3 | Kirkburn, ^ |
| 00:04.17 | foxlit | Hm |
| 00:04.18 | Sixen | Because it says Beta Keys for US and then it says Beta Keys & Tyrael Pet for EU. |
| 00:04.18 | End | kd3: so, pet works anywhere but beta key works only on EU? |
| 00:04.20 | smcn | foxlit: lol i know, i was actually going to write a mod that plays a sound when i'm at max RP just because i can't freaking remember to spend it |
| 00:04.32 | End | still, if blizzard will let you interchange them by asking |
| 00:04.32 | foxlit | How do you put "I think your library design stinks, and is responsible for you having this issue" politely? :( |
| 00:04.36 | End | it doesn't matter too much |
| 00:04.39 | kd3 | end; afaik. if you don't have a key, blizz can switch it to a US if you want |
| 00:05.03 | Kirkburn | Tyrael key should work no matter your locations - it worked similarly for my murloc suit |
| 00:05.06 | foxlit | Of course, I'm playing a game of ping-pong over who should implement particular functionality :) |
| 00:05.17 | Icecoldcoke | I so want a Tyrael pet. So ftw |
| 00:05.31 | Kirkburn | The WWI beta key is indeed tied to location, but you can email Blizz as mentioned to swap |
| 00:05.31 | kd3 | heh. the wrath cinematic just hit digg |
| 00:05.59 | foxlit | Kirkburn: so someone cashed in the WWI card keys? |
| 00:06.11 | foxlit | since those were location-independant |
| 00:06.12 | Kirkburn | eh? |
| 00:06.34 | foxlit | "The WWI beta key is indeed tied to location" << the key on the card is not |
| 00:06.35 | Xuerian | I'm curious, I don't have any won't be getting either, but do Tyrael and Murloc suit keys work on multiple characters but one account, or just one character on one account? |
| 00:06.46 | kd3 | 1 char |
| 00:06.51 | Kirkburn | foxlit, it is - when you sign up, it'll give you an EU key |
| 00:06.54 | kd3 | my murloc's only on my main, not any of my alts |
| 00:08.16 | Maldivia | new priest glyphs |
| 00:08.39 | Maldivia | and warlock glyphs |
| 00:08.39 | Xuerian | kd3: Suppose that makes sense, or it'd be traded off the accounts.. |
| 00:09.03 | bleeter__ | oh my, someone on the SDL mail list was all 'why isn't this working???'... and they'd been typing their #includes and foo into the command line >< http://lists.libsdl.org/pipermail/sdl-libsdl.org/2008-August/066363.html |
| 00:09.19 | End | bleeter__: !! |
| 00:09.21 | End | o_O |
| 00:09.31 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 00:09.34 | End | Maldivia: cool! |
| 00:09.38 | End | I shall have to look |
| 00:10.09 | Maldivia | mage glyphs aswell, forinstance a 15% health regen while evocating |
| 00:10.12 | Icecoldcoke | Maldivia: Anything for alchemy? |
| 00:10.35 | Maldivia | Icecoldcoke: nope |
| 00:10.44 | Icecoldcoke | :( |
| 00:11.07 | Maldivia | mage poly glyph: Your Polymorph spell also removes all damage over time effects from the target. |
| 00:11.13 | ScytheBlade1 | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 00:11.16 | ScytheBlade1 | 11111111111111111111111111111 |
| 00:11.17 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 00:11.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay for NON BREAKING SHEEPS |
| 00:11.28 | Icecoldcoke | Don't warlocks DOT it after it gets sheeped though? |
| 00:11.36 | End | of course |
| 00:11.40 | End | gotta keep the mages on their toes |
| 00:11.40 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 00:11.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Icecoldcoke: in a raid, I'm chain-sheeping at least twice |
| 00:11.43 | kd3 | victory |
| 00:11.45 | Aznamir | that's what I do |
| 00:11.45 | Mooninaut | can I get that for freezing traps? |
| 00:12.07 | cbreak | I wrote a small addon that whispers everyone who targets my sheep when I resheep |
| 00:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Icecoldcoke: any mage who doesn't is wrong - likewise this way I can clear the stupid AoE from random warlock #23098 |
| 00:12.19 | cbreak | after the fifth or sixt time they usually stop attacking |
| 00:12.25 | ScytheBlade1 | *CoA |
| 00:12.35 | Maldivia | imp scorch glyph, that stacks it to 5 from one cast :) |
| 00:12.37 | Mike-N-Go | Maybe the poly could just make the sheep immune to all magical attacks, in addition to what Maldivia said? |
| 00:12.47 | foxlit | cbreak: I can fit that in a macro :) |
| 00:13.00 | Mooninaut | nah, then you couldn't sheep-pyro |
| 00:13.01 | cbreak | me too |
| 00:13.09 | cbreak | but I wanted it a bit more fancy :) |
| 00:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Where are these glyphs listed? |
| 00:13.26 | cbreak | it also marks my focus under certain circumstances |
| 00:13.37 | Mike-N-Go | ScytheBlade1: I have seen WoWInsider post some of them. |
| 00:13.39 | NightHawkTheSane | I wonder how feasible it will be to change glyphs |
| 00:13.43 | cbreak | I also plan to add a black list for tanks |
| 00:13.53 | Mooninaut | http://www.wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Main_Page |
| 00:13.59 | kd3 | I expect it'll be about as painful as changing chants or changing gems |
| 00:14.12 | cbreak | or changing gear |
| 00:14.15 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: i was hoping not.. but i suspect you're right |
| 00:14.15 | cbreak | one can hope :) |
| 00:14.22 | Mike-N-Go | I hear glyphs will be like gems, putting one in destroys whatever was in the slot. |
| 00:14.34 | End | I don't think they've said yet |
| 00:14.38 | Maldivia | rogue, hunter glyphs aswell |
| 00:14.45 | Duman | where'd you see the glyphs? |
| 00:14.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I really hope that they're not remotely as painful as ench/gems |
| 00:14.51 | g0urra | I hear that pigs fly with unicorn wings. |
| 00:14.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Mike-N-Go: thats not the issue so much as how costly new ones are to make. |
| 00:15.02 | End | and how well they stack ;-p |
| 00:15.16 | Maldivia | example of hunter glyph: When your Freezing Trap breaks, the victim is afflicted with a 40% snare, recovering 10% per sec. for 4 sec. |
| 00:15.17 | Mooninaut | they'll take up four inventory slots |
| 00:15.25 | NightHawkTheSane | It'd be nice if they were relatively easy to make so you could change out your glyphs on a more circumstantial basis |
| 00:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, they added a Remove Curse glyph |
| 00:15.45 | Matrix110| | what? |
| 00:15.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I expect endless QQ over that even /existing/ from the mage boards but I'm happy |
| 00:15.50 | Duman | Maldivia where are you seeing these? |
| 00:15.51 | Maldivia | yeah, that's really nice, with a 6 sec curse immunity |
| 00:15.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Your Remove Curse spell also makes the target immune to all Curses for $56364s1 sec. |
| 00:15.56 | g0urra | new icecrown map: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:WorldMap-IcecrownGlacier.jpg |
| 00:15.58 | End | Duman: Maldivia mines them |
| 00:16.02 | Duman | ahh |
| 00:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: how are you mining them by chance? :) |
| 00:16.16 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, rogues mace spec was nerfed |
| 00:16.21 | Duman | all mace spec was |
| 00:16.23 | Maldivia | the same way wowhead, thottbot, curse, etc does it |
| 00:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but what utilities? |
| 00:16.36 | Maldivia | homemade |
| 00:16.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a .dbc viewer too, but nothing that pieces them together nicely |
| 00:16.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 00:17.16 | End | I wrote a dbc reader in python once, and wrote some code to open mpq files in python using a C library as well once |
| 00:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: don't want to share by chance? ;) |
| 00:17.50 | End | I'm not sure how hard mpq files are to read (but I used a library), but the other internal file formats aren't too complex |
| 00:18.10 | Maldivia | sb1: not really shareable, it a more or less complete system |
| 00:18.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 00:18.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I had hopes |
| 00:18.45 | Mike-N-Go | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/21/inscription-details-glyphs-runewords-and-more/ has some glyphs. |
| 00:18.46 | foxlit | wru, wowinterface :( |
| 00:18.46 | Maldivia | sb1: extract, import to an sql database, and then have a website that parses it |
| 00:19.11 | Mike-N-Go | http://www.wowinsider.com/tag/glyphs/ |
| 00:19.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: yeah, I can do that - then I just get to do joins on 892374 tables to pull out enough info to be worthwhile :( |
| 00:19.24 | Maldivia | sb1: And then run a diff to find changs :) |
| 00:19.25 | Mike-N-Go | I think that is where you can find a good deal of the glyphs. |
| 00:19.28 | End | wowhead is being slow too |
| 00:19.42 | Duman | hah i was about to jsut say that |
| 00:20.25 | Cairenn | we know that there's a problem, we're trying to find it |
| 00:20.33 | Mike-N-Go | End: Yah, wowhead is lagging for me, too. |
| 00:20.45 | Duman | oof, the page loaded w/ no css, LOL |
| 00:20.50 | End | lol, wowinterface uses google apps? |
| 00:20.55 | End | for email |
| 00:21.08 | Matrix110| | Duman that happened twice orso the last few days |
| 00:21.10 | Cairenn | End: yup |
| 00:21.16 | End | that kinda amuses me |
| 00:21.21 | End | but that is the cheap and easy way to do it |
| 00:21.30 | Duman | so, call me stupid - but are the glyphs we see listed everywhere just "these will be avail", or is there a way to actually get/use glyphs yet? |
| 00:21.34 | kd3 | raaaah! download faster |
| 00:21.38 | bleeter | no u |
| 00:21.44 | End | kd3: ra ra, the sun god. he's a fun god |
| 00:21.49 | Maldivia | SB1: Can give you a dump of glyphs if you want ? |
| 00:21.50 | Matrix110| | Duman afaik they arent available yet (craftable that is) |
| 00:21.55 | *** part/#wowuidev Aznamir (n=aznamir@ool-43544a0d.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:21.56 | Duman | that's what I assumed |
| 00:21.58 | bleeter | i'm in a bind as to who to be my last tx, mage engi or hunter dude... :/ |
| 00:22.15 | Matrix110| | Inscription profession creates them but afaik there are not enough recipes to level it up |
| 00:22.15 | Mooninaut | hunters are win this patch |
| 00:22.17 | Duman | I guess since inscription is not done |
| 00:22.32 | Duman | yeah I'm stalled at 131 (gave up gridnign on the green pattern) |
| 00:22.42 | End | well, if Maldivia is seeing them, they're even in the list of "craftables" |
| 00:22.51 | Maldivia | no, they are not |
| 00:22.52 | Mike-N-Go | Duman: I believe Inscription will be the main method to acquire glyphs. |
| 00:22.56 | End | they're not? |
| 00:22.57 | Maldivia | they are no patterns for them yet |
| 00:23.00 | Maldivia | only the spell effects |
| 00:23.03 | End | so are you just looking at the spell list? |
| 00:23.14 | End | (now THAT's a big table) |
| 00:23.15 | Maldivia | not just, but also :) |
| 00:23.19 | Mooninaut | it's kind of weird how they're busy implementing glyphs when inscription isn't working yet |
| 00:23.35 | Maldivia | end: select * from spells where name like "%glyph%" - makes it easy :) |
| 00:23.36 | End | it doesn't seem that weird to me |
| 00:23.37 | Matrix110| | they have different teams |
| 00:23.40 | End | Maldivia: ah |
| 00:23.44 | End | yeah |
| 00:23.49 | foxlit | Mooninaut: there's no reason to design four placeholder levels of a profession to get to the good stuff :) |
| 00:23.50 | End | I suppose it's not that hard to search |
| 00:24.20 | foxlit | Devs can easily give themselves items (or even arrange for items to be given to actual testers), so whether or not they can be crafted isn't much of an issue |
| 00:24.31 | Maldivia | End: but I have a diff descriptions that's changed since last patch, including new spells - that makes it even easier to find :) |
| 00:24.40 | End | cool |
| 00:25.16 | Maldivia | End for recipees, I use my site though, much easier :) |
| 00:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: you should publish that somewhere ;) |
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| 00:30.17 | Icecoldcoke | They still don't have the WOTLK cinematic in-game |
| 00:31.39 | ScytheBlade1 | So Duman |
| 00:31.44 | bleeter | bummer, ashlee vance is leaving El Reg for the NYT :( |
| 00:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a /64, how would I go about using other IPs attached to that on the same box? |
| 00:33.00 | Duman | what do you mean? is the entire /64 routed to you? |
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| 00:33.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Should be |
| 00:33.15 | Duman | then just bring them up as a subinterface |
| 00:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm k |
| 00:33.27 | Duman | with a /64 mask |
| 00:33.51 | Shirik | Why ScytheBlade1 >< |
| 00:33.58 | Shirik | why do you have so many |
| 00:34.09 | End | I'm curious too |
| 00:34.12 | End | seems...wasteful... |
| 00:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That's just what they gave me |
| 00:34.16 | Shirik | hang on |
| 00:34.18 | End | lol |
| 00:34.18 | Shirik | 64? |
| 00:34.23 | Shirik | What are we talking about here? |
| 00:34.28 | End | wait |
| 00:34.29 | End | yeah |
| 00:34.33 | Duman | ipv6 |
| 00:34.35 | End | oh |
| 00:34.36 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:34.38 | End | that's different |
| 00:34.49 | End | well, less silly at least |
| 00:34.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:35.01 | Shirik | I was about to say damn |
| 00:35.05 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 has two whole internets |
| 00:35.05 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 00:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | no, not v4 |
| 00:35.10 | ScytheBlade1 | haha indeed |
| 00:35.14 | ScytheBlade1 | This is on my linode |
| 00:35.23 | Mooninaut | actually, the internets /squared/ |
| 00:35.27 | End | lol |
| 00:35.32 | Lunessa | station? |
| 00:35.32 | Shirik | actually yeah |
| 00:35.34 | Duman | it's still a lot of addresses :) |
| 00:35.36 | alestane | Looks like Secure Handlers v3 did indeed make it in. |
| 00:36.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It is a *lot* of addresses - I can request a /48 too and they'll just give it to me |
| 00:36.44 | Mooninaut | i can has 18 quintillion ips? |
| 00:36.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Can anyone ping6 for me? |
| 00:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | 2001:470:4:b2::3 |
| 00:37.10 | Duman | I think I ahve a shell somewhere tha will do v6, 1 sec |
| 00:37.59 | Cairenn | (2008-08-21 20:35:40) Dolby: its back |
| 00:38.00 | Cairenn | (2008-08-21 20:35:47) Dolby: vlan problems at the datacenter |
| 00:38.52 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 00:39.20 | Duman | sbo: crap, I don't think any of my shell accounts have a v6 tunnel, hah |
| 00:39.59 | Duman | still checking a couple others |
| 00:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I'm not *too* surprised |
| 00:40.00 | Duman | oh wait |
| 00:40.00 | Duman | there |
| 00:40.00 | Duman | --- 2001:470:4:b2::3 ping6 statistics --- |
| 00:40.00 | Duman | 9 packets transmitted, 9 packets received, 0.0% packet loss |
| 00:40.00 | Duman | round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 251.882/259.453/284.914/9.490 ms |
| 00:40.00 | Duman | all good |
| 00:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet |
| 00:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And :2? |
| 00:40.35 | Duman | works |
| 00:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And one that is not assigned atm - :4? |
| 00:41.07 | Duman | --- 2001:470:4:b2::4 ping6 statistics --- |
| 00:41.07 | Duman | 4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100.0% packet loss |
| 00:41.12 | ScytheBlade1 | hot |
| 00:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay for IPv6 |
| 00:41.15 | Duman | woo woo |
| 00:41.22 | Duman | hehe |
| 00:41.26 | Duman | QUAD DAMAGE |
| 00:41.30 | Lunessa | OK, compared to Aduim, ChatZilla sucks. |
| 00:41.30 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:41.40 | Duman | chatzilla is poo |
| 00:41.48 | Duman | then again, I still use ircII :P |
| 00:42.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: one last favor... nmap 2001:470:4:b2::2 80/tcp ? |
| 00:42.14 | Icecoldcoke | The built in IRC for Opera is win. :) |
| 00:42.31 | End | particularly dealing with multiple channels |
| 00:43.00 | Duman | I can telnet to it on port 80 |
| 00:43.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That works :) |
| 00:43.09 | Lunessa | I has three f'ing browsers already installed. |
| 00:45.06 | Duman | heh, login page has dragon noises now ;) |
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| 00:45.19 | Lunessa | Did last patch too. |
| 00:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: yeah, out of sync ones :( |
| 00:45.27 | Duman | last one did? hmm |
| 00:45.43 | Icecoldcoke | LAst patch was just flying noises I thought. |
| 00:47.23 | Jamash | test |
| 00:48.53 | Sixen | To what? IRC? |
| 00:49.10 | Sixen | Beta patch up yet? |
| 00:49.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: I've had the torrents for a while ;) |
| 00:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | (And the PC enUS patch) |
| 00:49.47 | smcn | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/WoW-3.0.1.8788-to-3.0.1.8820-enUS-downloader.torrent |
| 00:49.54 | Shirik | hey ScytheBlade1, do you know why they're called AAAA records, btw? |
| 00:49.58 | Sixen | Yeah, but i'm waiting for the official patch to go up to update my thread in the BR. |
| 00:50.06 | Jamash | because they're four times the size of A records! |
| 00:50.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, sorry |
| 00:50.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I used to, all I really know is that A6 records are bad |
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| 00:51.23 | Shirik | I don't know, I'm just curious |
| 00:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: size, in short. We went from a /32 to /128. Four powers |
| 00:52.35 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 00:52.35 | Sixen | How big is it? |
| 00:52.43 | Sixen | The file itself. |
| 00:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ~667MB, enUS |
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| 00:53.21 | Sixen | So, is that 666.blah ? |
| 00:53.48 | Shirik | 666.66 probably |
| 00:53.51 | Shirik | maybe 666.666 |
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| 00:53.54 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 00:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | 667MB, 700,305,536 bytes |
| 00:54.08 | Sixen | lol |
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| 00:59.47 | kd3 | 50% done, yay! |
| 01:00.26 | Sixen | lol |
| 01:00.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I should be serving IPv6 now for all of my stuff, yay |
| 01:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to get the home network doing that.. |
| 01:01.53 | Duman | 700305536 Aug 21 16:58 WoW-3.0.1.8788-to-3.0.1.8820-enUS-patch.exe |
| 01:02.01 | Duman | sorry, more than 666 ;) |
| 01:02.20 | Duman | 700305536/1024/1024 |
| 01:02.20 | Duman | 667.86340 |
| 01:02.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: any IPv6 enabled wgets around? ;) |
| 01:02.59 | Sixen | =o |
| 01:03.23 | Sixen | Right-click on the file and hit properties. It'll say, =o. |
| 01:03.43 | Sixen | It'll round it to the 1st digit I believe. |
| 01:04.04 | kd3 | anyone who's downloaded the patch... check /Cameras/ have the implemented the wrathgate cutscenes yet? |
| 01:04.05 | Duman | sbo: I can test |
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| 01:04.15 | Duman | sbo: which url? |
| 01:04.25 | ScytheBlade1 | same one as that patch dl |
| 01:04.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I just threw the AAAA records up |
| 01:04.55 | Duman | k |
| 01:04.59 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.26 | Shirik | I love ##c++ |
| 01:05.32 | Shirik | So much fun times in there |
| 01:05.35 | Shirik | (21:02:28) (codeshot) !give DieselHopper book |
| 01:05.35 | Shirik | (21:02:30) (nolyc) DieselHopper: http://jcatki.no-ip.org:8080/fncpp/Resources#books http://rudbek.com/books.html |
| 01:05.35 | Shirik | (21:02:44) (DieselHopper) What do I do with that? |
| 01:05.35 | Shirik | (21:02:47) (codeshot) read it |
| 01:05.43 | kandoko | Anyone have a diff file highlighting changes? |
| 01:05.53 | ScytheBlade1 | kandoko: of what? |
| 01:05.58 | Shirik | kandoko: wowcompares? |
| 01:05.58 | Codex| | ~seen duguu |
| 01:05.59 | purl | Codex|: i haven't seen 'duguu' |
| 01:06.09 | Codex| | ~seen duugu |
| 01:06.09 | purl | Codex|: i haven't seen 'duugu' |
| 01:06.10 | kandoko | :P Sorry of the latest patch. |
| 01:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Of what exactly in the latest patch? |
| 01:06.32 | ScytheBlade1 | UI? Patch notes? .dbc files? |
| 01:06.37 | Duman | hmm, the wget is not v6-ready it seems |
| 01:06.41 | Duman | s/the/this/ |
| 01:06.44 | ScytheBlade1 | :( @ Duman |
| 01:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | No worries |
| 01:07.48 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Did you want me to test something? |
| 01:08.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: oh, right, you run IPv6 |
| 01:08.05 | kandoko | Sorry, primarily class changes, was gonna toss em up on the forums for my guildies. Actually I think I still have the old patch text and can just pull out the stff nvm |
| 01:08.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Try to grab that URL, see if it picks it up |
| 01:08.23 | Shirik | what url |
| 01:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.42 | Shirik | got it just fine |
| 01:08.50 | Shirik | are you sure there's no ipv4 alternative, just to be sure? |
| 01:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I *just* added the AAAA records |
| 01:08.55 | ScytheBlade1 | There is |
| 01:09.06 | ScytheBlade1 | But the browsers should query AAAA and then A |
| 01:09.06 | Shirik | hm |
| 01:09.37 | Shirik | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 01:09.37 | Shirik | Name: files.aboveaverageurl.com |
| 01:09.37 | Shirik | Addresses: 2001:470:4:b2::2 |
| 01:09.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 01:09.50 | Xuerian | kd3: Dun see any new flybys in /cameras/ for patch2 |
| 01:09.51 | Shirik | and yes the exe I was able to get |
| 01:09.56 | kd3 | bah |
| 01:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, tcpdump didn't see it |
| 01:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | To the logs! |
| 01:10.05 | kd3 | guess that quest'll still stay in my log |
| 01:10.06 | Shirik | let me turn on wireshark |
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| 01:12.26 | Shirik | yeah Firefox definitely used ipv4, ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:12.28 | Shirik | let me try from my server |
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| 01:13.31 | adam_sc | Hey =D |
| 01:13.38 | Lunessa | Hey |
| 01:14.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap WOW |
| 01:14.33 | alestane | ?? |
| 01:14.34 | ScytheBlade1 | My friend - has residential cable |
| 01:14.40 | ScytheBlade1 | In some small middle of nowhere city |
| 01:14.41 | Xuerian | o_0? |
| 01:14.42 | adam_sc | =o |
| 01:14.44 | ScytheBlade1 | And he has fully functional IPv6 |
| 01:14.46 | ScytheBlade1 | o_o |
| 01:14.55 | Xuerian | Yay for local techs allowed to do smart things? |
| 01:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently |
| 01:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Like, wow, a residential ISP with IPv6 |
| 01:15.45 | Lunessa | Heh. Smaller markets are easier to set up correctly - usually because you're rolling it out from the start, or you have less work to do over-all. |
| 01:18.05 | Duman | ARIN is pretty liberal in their v6 allocations... since they are trying to get ppl to start using it more :) |
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| 01:18.19 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 01:18.30 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, indeed |
| 01:18.54 | bleeter | Shirik: don't quote me, but some FF's have IPv6 disabled. Check network.dns.disableIPv^ setting in your about:config |
| 01:19.02 | bleeter | er s/\^/6/ |
| 01:19.18 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, some do |
| 01:19.31 | Shirik | false |
| 01:19.41 | bleeter | god I hate settings that have to be 'enabled' to disable something |
| 01:19.49 | Duman | haha |
| 01:19.55 | Duman | yes, negative settigns ftl |
| 01:20.05 | adam_sc | =[ |
| 01:20.07 | bleeter | i'm gunna file reports against wotlk ui if i see them there |
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| 01:20.12 | Duman | HAHA |
| 01:20.30 | bleeter | 'check this box to disable the spam filter' is prolly still there |
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| 01:21.28 | bleeter | we had a near year long screaming match.. back in the days of #gaim ... about it, that's why it gets me het up so much hehe |
| 01:21.48 | adam_sc | ouch O_O |
| 01:23.14 | Duman | bleeter: yeah, it's (imo) better to have things default-checked if you want it to be "on by default"... rather than have a "check here to disable..." |
| 01:24.04 | ScytheBlade1 | tcpdump: WARNING: sit1: no IPv4 address assigned |
| 01:24.08 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, stupid tcpdump |
| 01:24.10 | Duman | lol |
| 01:24.10 | bleeter | there are some languages where inverse logic is the 'natural' way of doing things... afaik, no Blizz EU/US language has that tho |
| 01:29.43 | Duman | hmm |
| 01:29.46 | Duman | wow, ok |
| 01:29.53 | Duman | lots of other changes not in the notes |
| 01:29.53 | Duman | wow |
| 01:31.30 | Xuerian | Dammit, where is foxlit when I want to lavish praise upon him |
| 01:32.24 | Stanzilla | Duman: any priest changes? :( |
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| 01:32.53 | Duman | not seeing anything yet |
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| 01:39.05 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 01:39.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm - anyone know of an addon that watches arena partner ability coldowns? |
| 01:40.27 | ScytheBlade1 | *cooldowns |
| 01:40.59 | smcn | i haven't used it in awhile but i believe naturenemycastbar tracks cooldowns |
| 01:41.26 | Diao | if it's for arena, probably something http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=26677 on that list |
| 01:41.32 | Diao | he writes basically every arena mod i use :p |
| 01:43.47 | adam_sc | Ewwm arena |
| 01:44.21 | NightHawkTheSane | you know what's really cool looking? |
| 01:44.25 | Shirik | Does anyone know what "S5380" might mean? |
| 01:44.34 | NightHawkTheSane | the loot sparklies from every mob in SM armory in a neat little quarter-circle |
| 01:44.54 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik dear, do you have context for that quote? |
| 01:44.57 | adam_sc | huh? :O |
| 01:45.14 | Shirik | A friend of mine told someone that she was going to cry (actually her boyfriend) in chat. The response was S5380 |
| 01:45.22 | Shirik | When she asked what that meant, she was told to figure it out |
| 01:45.31 | Shirik | now she's asking me >.> |
| 01:45.33 | ScytheBlade1 | o_0 |
| 01:45.35 | smcn | lol |
| 01:45.43 | adam_sc | nice thing to be asked :D |
| 01:45.49 | Shirik | supposedly I'm supposed to be "good at decoding" |
| 01:45.50 | Shirik | so she asked me? |
| 01:46.13 | adam_sc | Aye, I see you have done a good job so far ;] |
| 01:46.17 | smcn | google? :P |
| 01:46.18 | Shirik | very good job |
| 01:46.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,1243,00.html ;) |
| 01:46.23 | Shirik | google only confirmed what I already knew |
| 01:46.27 | Shirik | is that it's a toshiba model number |
| 01:46.48 | Lopeppeppy | What toshiba thing is it a model of? |
| 01:47.05 | adam_sc | @NightHawkTheSane lol |
| 01:47.16 | Shirik | laptop |
| 01:47.30 | Shirik | toshibas always use those model numbers |
| 01:47.33 | adam_sc | Sharp introduces a new addition to the Pure Power Cyclonic Bagless line! - Catchy |
| 01:47.35 | Shirik | Ann-Syyy[y] |
| 01:47.41 | Kirov | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7306-DamnTekkubItemtooltipicons.html - lol |
| 01:47.43 | Shirik | and Ann is usually identical for the same year |
| 01:47.47 | Shirik | so people just call them by Syyy[y] |
| 01:48.07 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. Unless that quote is some sort of lolspeak that I can't figure out, the Toshiba laptop is not an answer to someone who feels like crying. |
| 01:48.09 | Shirik | (where n and y are arbitrary digits) |
| 01:48.14 | Shirik | exactly :) |
| 01:48.23 | Jamash | What did Tekkub do, I wonder |
| 01:48.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: it could be a vacuum cleaner! :P |
| 01:48.48 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure it's not a vacuum cleaner |
| 01:48.55 | Shirik | unless.... he has a really dirty mind |
| 01:48.57 | adam_sc | ^^ |
| 01:48.57 | Shirik | but I don't think so |
| 01:49.04 | NightHawkTheSane | and yet, you don't know what it IS.. |
| 01:49.04 | adam_sc | oh, shame tbh |
| 01:49.19 | Lopeppeppy | S5380... sse ate oh.... Um..... |
| 01:50.16 | adam_sc | HP Presario S5380 =o |
| 01:50.16 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, it could be cat on the keyboard |
| 01:50.37 | Shirik | why would he say "figure it out" then? |
| 01:50.54 | Jamash | it might be a meaningless distraction |
| 01:51.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, caues he's obviously an idiot? :P |
| 01:51.09 | Lopeppeppy | A laptop is not an answer to someone's upset. Nor is flippant distraction. |
| 01:51.26 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 01:51.30 | Shirik | if someone bought me a laptop I'd be happy |
| 01:51.34 | adam_sc | lol upside down its 083SS |
| 01:51.44 | Lopeppeppy | Tell her that someone being deliberately obscure isn't worth her time, energy or friendship, and then spike his jock strap with capsicum. |
| 01:51.48 | adam_sc | E^ |
| 01:51.55 | smcn | OBESS? |
| 01:52.00 | Duman | holy shit |
| 01:52.06 | Lopeppeppy | Obsess much? *gentle shrug* |
| 01:52.11 | Mike-N-Go | Oh boy.. 667 MB on the new patch to go.. |
| 01:52.12 | Duman | "Furious Attacks" in the fury tree = zomgwtfbbq |
| 01:52.14 | smcn | obese? |
| 01:52.39 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: you have a way of putting things, you know that? |
| 01:53.28 | Jamash | normal melee attacks add mortal strike??? |
| 01:53.39 | ajmitch | flurry & enrage no longer linked, fury warriors rejoice |
| 01:54.21 | adam_sc | mmo-champion.com =o |
| 01:54.32 | adam_sc | What happened to wowhead? O_o |
| 01:54.38 | ajmitch | they're slow |
| 01:54.56 | Diao | finally! |
| 01:55.07 | Diao | oh wow |
| 01:55.12 | Diao | they made titan's grip worth it finally |
| 01:55.12 | Diao | lol |
| 01:55.21 | ajmitch | yes, no more slowdown |
| 01:55.39 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, I'm kind of in a cranky redhead mood, that makes me snippy. Sorry! *hug* |
| 01:55.52 | smcn | rune cost removed from hysteria and mark of blood, good deal |
| 01:55.57 | Diao | wait.. wtf |
| 01:56.02 | Diao | they're making fury and arms almost identical |
| 01:56.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: no no, that was awesome. I laughed. |
| 01:56.15 | ajmitch | look at the new rampage talent in the fury tree |
| 01:56.21 | bleeter | ~comfort Lopeppeppy |
| 01:56.22 | purl | There, there, Lopeppeppy. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:56.57 | Shirik | for what it's worth Lopeppeppy |
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| 01:57.03 | Shirik | I'm never deliberatly obscure :) |
| 01:57.03 | Lopeppeppy | You should hear me cuss someone out when I'm in this mood. Rat f*king scum sucking bottom dwelling excuse for humanity is what I say when I'm being nice. |
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| 01:57.19 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, Shirik. You redeem my faith in man kind! :) |
| 01:57.47 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Nechckn] by ChanServ |
| 01:57.47 | Neuro_Medivh | women often think men are being obscure, and we're not. We're just not that smart. |
| 01:58.07 | Lopeppeppy | And there is often a language disconnect that takes patience to overcome. |
| 01:58.24 | NightHawkTheSane | patience.. and alcohol.. |
| 01:58.50 | adam_sc | haha |
| 02:00.26 | Lopeppeppy | alcohol is a crutch for the weak minded to avoid reality by veering off into obscurity and adding plausible deniability to what they were going to do anyway. |
| 02:00.52 | Neuro_Medivh | which is why it is so popular |
| 02:00.54 | Xuerian | I prefer patience and sarcasm to patience and alcohol. |
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| 02:00.59 | Mike-N-Go | From the new beta build notes: [[Steady Shot]]: Now has a 2.0 cast time, up from 1.5... |
| 02:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That, that indeed |
| 02:01.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: .. yep, pretty much |
| 02:01.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: who says sarcasm and alcohol are mutually exclusive, though? |
| 02:01.35 | Neuro_Medivh | so, Fury warriors now get the MS debuff on every hit? |
| 02:01.45 | Tem | kerwhat? |
| 02:01.52 | Tem | GG arms for pvp :( |
| 02:02.22 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 02:02.26 | Shirik | Ok apparently it's S5240 |
| 02:02.32 | Shirik | er |
| 02:02.33 | Shirik | S5280 |
| 02:02.38 | Shirik | try again |
| 02:02.44 | adam_sc | >_< lol |
| 02:02.58 | Neuro_Medivh | Furious Attacks 2/2: Your normal melee attacks have a 100% chance to reduce all healing done to the target by 25% for 8 sec. This can stack up to 2 times. |
| 02:02.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: what, where? |
| 02:03.10 | ajmitch | so OP |
| 02:03.20 | smcn | rofl |
| 02:03.24 | Neuro_Medivh | according to the new talent build on mmo-champion |
| 02:03.27 | Jamash | that's absurd |
| 02:03.29 | smcn | yeah |
| 02:03.32 | smcn | it really is |
| 02:03.37 | adam_sc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.51 | Duman | wow, you can make somre crazy rege-gen builds as prot now |
| 02:03.53 | smcn | what's the point of MS now? |
| 02:03.55 | Duman | (for level 80) |
| 02:04.00 | smcn | did they change it? |
| 02:04.13 | ajmitch | I'm hoping that prot is quite nice at level 80 |
| 02:04.19 | Duman | Justified Killing (Arms) = +3/+6 rage per parry |
| 02:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | That's... a vacuum shirik. So is the response supposed to be "Oh, I'm sorry, that sucks?" |
| 02:04.33 | Neuro_Medivh | MS is the same |
| 02:04.43 | Duman | oh, they took out the rage-on-dodge-or-parry talent from prot?? |
| 02:05.16 | Icecoldcoke | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023670313&pageNo=1&sid=2000#15 |
| 02:05.20 | Neuro_Medivh | level cap going up |
| 02:05.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: eitehr that or.. "go back to cleaning.." >.> *cough* not that i would ever say that.. to anyone |
| 02:05.48 | Lopeppeppy | Not if you wanted to live, NightHawkTheSane. |
| 02:05.49 | Diao | hmm |
| 02:05.59 | Diao | furious attacks is nice |
| 02:05.59 | Diao | but |
| 02:06.03 | Diao | you can't do a full fury pvp spec |
| 02:06.14 | Diao | losing improved intercept really hinders warriors |
| 02:06.26 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023670313&pageNo=1&sid=2000#15 |
| 02:06.30 | kd3 | bah, slow |
| 02:06.59 | Diao | it will be fun to toy around with fury in battlegrounds pvp |
| 02:07.06 | Diao | but as an arena spec i think arms will end up being stronger |
| 02:07.09 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh, i ws kinda hoping for one more iteration to actually get to 77 |
| 02:07.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Hunters got all kinds of crazy buffs this patch |
| 02:07.35 | Jamash | squee |
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| 02:08.04 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Dolby] by ChanServ |
| 02:08.13 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, "lso, we sped up the leveling curve from 70-80. We're still dialing in the leveling speed so feedback is appreciated." neat |
| 02:08.31 | Jamash | write an addon, get in the addon maker program :D |
| 02:09.25 | Duman | I should have uploaded one of my addons... I needed another key for a friend :( |
| 02:09.32 | Duman | ahh well |
| 02:09.42 | smcn | you know what though, re: furious attacks, it only procs on auto-attacks... dual-wielding 2H you're going to have super-slow weapons and still have the disadvantage of probably around 17% miss including talents and gear |
| 02:09.44 | Icecoldcoke | MMO-Champion has been getting really slow on updates for the beta patches. |
| 02:09.56 | Duman | slow? |
| 02:10.02 | smcn | so it might end up not being as OP as it seems |
| 02:10.11 | Cide | it lasts for 8 sec |
| 02:10.14 | Cide | it will be on permanently |
| 02:10.31 | Duman | yeah that talent will get a rework I bet |
| 02:10.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i can't imagine neither weapon not hitting for 8 straight seconds, outside of hideous bad luck |
| 02:10.45 | NightHawkTheSane | (or, say evasion) |
| 02:10.49 | adam_sc | @smcn how can it not be OP? |
| 02:10.54 | Duman | esp. since there is no attack speed penalty for Titan's Grip any more |
| 02:10.59 | Cide | it's not THAT op |
| 02:11.06 | Cide | it solves the problem of warriors having to go arms |
| 02:11.15 | Duman | quite true |
| 02:11.16 | Cide | and you were still perma-MS'd in arenas anyway |
| 02:11.19 | Cide | so /shrug |
| 02:11.22 | Bibi` | Icecoldcoke : as an official community representative of MMO-Champion, let me be the first to say : FU ! |
| 02:11.32 | Bibi` | "MMO-Champion, community first." |
| 02:11.32 | Jamash | lawls |
| 02:11.34 | smcn | adam_sc: i said it might not be :P |
| 02:12.18 | g0urra | Bibi`: thanks to you we've got that frost wyrm spam over at wowwiki |
| 02:12.31 | ScytheBlade1 | spam? |
| 02:12.44 | Bibi` | what did I do ? |
| 02:12.47 | g0urra | People creating articles with datamined content |
| 02:12.54 | Icecoldcoke | Bibi`: as an official community represntative for the we need updates two seconds after the patch club, let me be the first to say : Hi. |
| 02:12.56 | g0urra | Which is against our policies |
| 02:13.06 | g0urra | anyway, night |
| 02:13.07 | Bibi` | http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Hog |
| 02:13.08 | Bibi` | like that ? |
| 02:13.09 | Bibi` | :D |
| 02:13.20 | g0urra | BlizzCast |
| 02:13.22 | g0urra | next |
| 02:13.24 | Tem | do we have servers yet? |
| 02:13.30 | g0urra | no, we don't |
| 02:13.41 | Icecoldcoke | Yes they're up |
| 02:13.48 | Icecoldcoke | And Lich King is flagged as PVP now. |
| 02:13.49 | Diao | Cide: it doesn't solve the problem of being forced into arms for arena |
| 02:13.56 | Diao | because you still need 27 in arms for imp intercept, can't go full fury :p |
| 02:14.03 | Diao | so every serious arena warrior will still be full arms |
| 02:14.22 | Cide | um |
| 02:14.32 | Cide | heroic leap |
| 02:14.33 | Diao | heroic leap does not make up for 15s intercept |
| 02:14.33 | Diao | lol |
| 02:14.43 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, titans grip improved |
| 02:14.43 | Cide | sure it does |
| 02:15.14 | Icecoldcoke | Omg new loading screen |
| 02:15.15 | kd3 | c'mon c'mon c'mon patch! |
| 02:15.27 | Neuro_Medivh | speed penalty removed on titan's grip |
| 02:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: that from my server or another? |
| 02:15.33 | Neuro_Medivh | why go arms? |
| 02:15.41 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. Blood Rune Mastery gone...? |
| 02:15.52 | Tem | woah, what? |
| 02:16.05 | Diao | because arms is still a stronger pvp tree |
| 02:16.21 | Cide | says you |
| 02:16.26 | Cide | when you haven't tried fury :P |
| 02:16.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: referring to what i said? |
| 02:16.37 | Diao | i don't need to try it to analyze it |
| 02:16.49 | kd3 | another |
| 02:16.59 | smcn | i'd say having to ground-target is a huge disadvantage for heroic leap vs intercept, due to lag |
| 02:17.01 | kd3 | oh c'mon don't crash on me... |
| 02:17.02 | Cide | but you need to try it to analyze it correctly |
| 02:17.06 | Diao | no, i don't |
| 02:17.08 | Diao | :p |
| 02:17.11 | Cide | yes, you do |
| 02:17.12 | kd3 | "writing sound effects into "patch-enUS-2.mpq"..." |
| 02:17.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Chill of the Grave.. icy touch, chains of ice, howling blast generate 50/100% additional RP. |
| 02:17.24 | Diao | i predicted the 3x/2x/3 pvp spec before bc beta |
| 02:17.27 | Diao | without trying it |
| 02:17.30 | Diao | and it became cookie cutter |
| 02:17.31 | Cide | grats |
| 02:17.34 | Cide | you must be pro |
| 02:17.35 | Diao | and i can predict every spec |
| 02:17.38 | Diao | without needing to try it |
| 02:17.38 | Cide | lol |
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| 02:18.08 | NightHawkTheSane | howling blast now has no cost... |
| 02:18.11 | Icecoldcoke | :/ Still can't mount in half of borean tundra. |
| 02:18.20 | kd3 | huzzah, done |
| 02:18.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Icecoldcoke: servers up? |
| 02:18.49 | kd3 | I'm sitting at the load screen now. |
| 02:18.54 | kd3 | UI diffs up soonish |
| 02:20.05 | kd3 | damn it, still no flying mounts in dalaran |
| 02:20.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it fixed over Tundra/Fjord/etc? |
| 02:20.33 | kd3 | no clue. doubt it. just ported up |
| 02:20.42 | NightHawkTheSane | :o new unholy talent.. Reaping -> when you use d&d there's a 30/60/100% chance for all three runes to become death runes. |
| 02:20.50 | Icecoldcoke | Hmm.. you don't get randomyl dismounted while flying |
| 02:21.02 | Icecoldcoke | But you still can't actually cast the mount in half the palces |
| 02:21.10 | smcn | level cap 80 |
| 02:21.12 | smcn | neat |
| 02:21.36 | kd3 | cupcakes! |
| 02:21.37 | Icecoldcoke | And NightHawkTheSane : Yes |
| 02:22.23 | Shirik | Mikk: ping |
| 02:25.04 | Icecoldcoke | Just a warning : when entering storm peaks don't fly high |
| 02:25.09 | Icecoldcoke | I just got shot down by a random cannon |
| 02:25.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Icecoldcoke: that's one way to make me want to just fly really high. |
| 02:27.20 | smcn | sweet! /console extshadowquality 3 draws properly again! |
| 02:27.52 | Icecoldcoke | ScythebBlade1 - I think that it causes no fall damage |
| 02:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Icecoldcoke: that and I'm a mage. =] |
| 02:29.02 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1 just likes to blink out of danger. |
| 02:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | And Ice Block |
| 02:29.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And slow fall |
| 02:29.40 | adam_sc | ^^ |
| 02:29.43 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, they removed all of the rune mastery abilities from DKs... the "cut the next rune time in half" abilities |
| 02:30.20 | adam_sc | Grr, I want an addon that auto turns in quests and collects the follow ups. =[ |
| 02:30.58 | kd3 | "automaton" |
| 02:31.00 | Corrodias | if i could have an addon play the game for me, i might still be paying by the month to play |
| 02:31.06 | Corrodias | although i'm not sure what i'd be getting out of oti |
| 02:31.12 | Corrodias | *out of it |
| 02:31.27 | adam_sc | Lol, for AV handing in teh damn scaps |
| 02:32.48 | Lopeppeppy | adam_sc, I use Capping for that stuff. |
| 02:33.19 | adam_sc | @Lopepeppy I shall have a look at that, thanks :D |
| 02:37.06 | Duman | ok, the "what changed" page on thott = winwinwin |
| 02:42.38 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, looking at http://thottbot.com/wotlk/s56815 right now |
| 02:42.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm kinda tempted to delve into the DBC specifics and write my own .dbc viewer/diff website |
| 02:42.59 | Neuro_Medivh | that's some DK goodness right there |
| 02:43.36 | kd3 | interface diffs done. anyone not on my list want a copy? |
| 02:44.52 | kd3 | eesh. 368k diff from 8788 |
| 02:48.36 | Neuro_Medivh | bah, blood aura got nerfed... |
| 02:50.15 | kd3 | emails out |
| 02:50.37 | kd3 | lol, and gmail shows an add for copper sinks after my little comment |
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| 02:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:53.43 | kd3 | huh... /Cameras/FlyBySunwell5Man and Scry_cam... and 6 versions of the orc intro |
| 02:54.23 | Corrodias | one for each day of the week |
| 02:54.32 | Corrodias | and on the seventh day, the server rests; you cannot make a new orc. |
| 02:55.07 | kd3 | "I know it's a little unclear. I thought CreateOrEditEventFrame sounded kind of silly." |
| 02:57.02 | Stanzilla | is the focus frame new in this build? |
| 02:57.11 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:57.16 | Stanzilla | nice :) |
| 02:57.19 | kd3 | and thank the gods, they finally added one |
| 02:57.30 | Stanzilla | same :P |
| 03:00.24 | Stanzilla | LOCK_FOCUS_FRAME = "Lock Frame Position"; < movable, too? |
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| 03:01.47 | Cairenn | night Lopeppeppy |
| 03:03.21 | smcn | rofl, path of frost creates a huge explosion of snowflakes behind me every few steps |
| 03:04.52 | NightHawkTheSane | is path of frost actuall in the game now? |
| 03:04.57 | smcn | yeah |
| 03:05.12 | smcn | and it's an aura that affects everyone near you whether they're in your group or not :P |
| 03:06.03 | smcn | doesn't seem to work in undercity, idk if waterwalking normally does though |
| 03:06.54 | kd3 | thank the gods... uiscale seems to be sticking |
| 03:08.29 | Tem | What's Path of Frost? |
| 03:08.29 | bleeter | Cairenn: just got hit by the XSS again, I was attempting to post 3800 chars in a post. Last time it started, it was also a rather large post. Makes me wonder.... ;) |
| 03:08.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: water walking |
| 03:08.49 | Tem | haha awesome |
| 03:08.59 | Tem | for DKs I assume? |
| 03:09.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yep |
| 03:09.12 | Tem | I heard it works while mounted |
| 03:09.16 | Cairenn | but the ones I posted were pretty short |
| 03:09.37 | Tem | I also heard the level cap was raised |
| 03:09.41 | Cairenn | errr, hrm, or were they? |
| 03:09.43 | Tem | did exp reqs change as well? |
| 03:09.43 | NightHawkTheSane | it was |
| 03:09.56 | Cairenn | actually, I think one of the ones I got it on was when I was posting about the comic contest |
| 03:10.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: yes, 70-80 is faster |
| 03:10.24 | Tem | exerrent |
| 03:10.32 | bleeter | good stuff |
| 03:10.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: "Path of Frost: The Deathknight's freezing aura creates ice beneath him [sic] feet, allowing him to walk on water. Works while mounted." |
| 03:10.55 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: yeah, I forgot - wowguide@blizzard.com for the web team |
| 03:10.55 | Tem | hahahaha awesome |
| 03:10.59 | bleeter | don't feel so bad about my DK getting dumped like some moron @ LHC and my 70's facing horrid XP requirements |
| 03:11.01 | Tem | NightHawkTheSane, where does it come from? |
| 03:11.05 | Tem | baseline spell? |
| 03:11.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: trainer, y es |
| 03:11.09 | smcn | yeah |
| 03:11.09 | Tem | frost talent? |
| 03:11.12 | Tem | ahahaha |
| 03:11.14 | Tem | What level? |
| 03:11.17 | NightHawkTheSane | 61 |
| 03:11.21 | Tem | YAY |
| 03:11.22 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I believe Cairenn contacted someone on 'our' behalf, thanks anyways :) |
| 03:11.25 | smcn | there's a new activated ability too |
| 03:11.27 | Tem | that's awesome for Nagrand |
| 03:11.27 | ScytheBlade1 | (Might be @worldofwacraft.com) |
| 03:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 03:11.43 | Tem | And Zangar |
| 03:12.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: also, "Rune Strike: Instantly strike the target for weapon damage. Only usable after the Deathknight performs a melee or spell critical hit." level 67, 10 RP |
| 03:12.09 | NightHawkTheSane | (trained, frost tree) |
| 03:12.23 | Tem | hmm |
| 03:12.26 | Tem | that's cool |
| 03:12.31 | ajmitch | on the GCD? |
| 03:12.36 | Tem | but I'm horribly out of buttons already |
| 03:12.37 | NightHawkTheSane | also, Merciless combat now works on targets at 35% health, up from 20% |
| 03:12.53 | Tem | did they change Scourge Strike yet? |
| 03:12.55 | NightHawkTheSane | and chill of the grave is 50/100% additional RP generation |
| 03:13.06 | NightHawkTheSane | doesn't appear so. |
| 03:13.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh |
| 03:14.01 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, rune strike isn't getting any benefit from AP apparently, and only triggers on white crits =( |
| 03:14.16 | NightHawkTheSane | BloodBoil is 1 blood, no CD, doesn't consume the diseases |
| 03:14.25 | Tem | but not a taunt |
| 03:14.28 | Tem | which is sadface |
| 03:14.29 | smcn | they buffed death strike quite handily |
| 03:14.32 | Neuro_Medivh | it's just an AH |
| 03:14.35 | Neuro_Medivh | AE |
| 03:14.43 | Tem | oh? |
| 03:14.48 | Tem | what changed with DS? |
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| 03:15.26 | Tem | smcn, what changed for Death Strike? |
| 03:15.57 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm..ability says 60% weapon damage, heals the dk for 100% for each of his diseases, or if DS kills the mob.. |
| 03:16.00 | NightHawkTheSane | not sure what part of that changed.. |
| 03:16.37 | Tem | "or if ds kills the mob" is new |
| 03:16.46 | Tem | but it hits for so little that it rarely does |
| 03:16.50 | Tem | so... |
| 03:16.53 | NightHawkTheSane | I didn't use it enough to notice |
| 03:16.59 | NightHawkTheSane | doesn't seem like much of a buff. |
| 03:17.00 | Tem | me either |
| 03:17.11 | Tem | you have to _try_ kill something with DS |
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| 03:17.19 | Tem | it his for like 200 for me |
| 03:18.10 | NightHawkTheSane | although, i suppose if you can manage to do it reliably, it potentially adds a little more regen to non-blood builds? |
| 03:18.12 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 03:18.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh |
| 03:19.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Might of Mograine no longer affects Oblit, but DS instead |
| 03:19.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Blood Aura changed.. party/raid members healed by 1/2% of the damage they deal. |
| 03:19.48 | Neuro_Medivh | tldr version of patch for DKs: Blood nerfed, Frost buffed |
| 03:20.07 | Neuro_Medivh | which was needed |
| 03:20.11 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 03:20.19 | NightHawkTheSane | oblit with MoM was absurd at times. |
| 03:20.21 | Iriel | But does it have the latest Secure Headers code? That's what I want to know! |
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| 03:20.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: ... next time don't leave while i'm typing my snarky response! |
| 03:20.50 | smcn | rune strike must be getting AP, i just crit for 1083 with axe of frozen death, 513 max damage |
| 03:20.57 | Neuro_Medivh | he got so excited his irc blowded up |
| 03:21.02 | smcn | lol |
| 03:21.12 | Iriel | Sorry, the LK downloader interferes with my system enough to mean my focus was on the wrong window when I hit the 'close window' key |
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| 03:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, bloodworms nerfed to 9% chance to proc |
| 03:21.40 | Iriel | Is 'nerfed' correct, or is it more like 'balanced' ? |
| 03:21.47 | Neuro_Medivh | well, kd3 did a diff for the UI, he might be able to tell you if the secure headers code is in |
| 03:21.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: can't both be true? |
| 03:22.28 | Stanzilla | Iriel: [02:35:25] <+alestane> Looks like Secure Handlers v3 did indeed make it in. |
| 03:22.40 | Iriel | yay |
| 03:22.47 | Iriel | technically it's v3b 8-) |
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| 03:38.25 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, did you have an external flash at blizzcon? |
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| 03:38.54 | Iriel | I had one with me for the trip, but I only had it on the camera some of the time |
| 03:39.23 | Iriel | I'm torn on whether i'll bring the external this time, or stick to the build-in |
| 03:39.35 | Thunder_Child | was it worth it for any of the pictures indors> |
| 03:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | awww.. path of frost breaks on damage >.> |
| 03:39.37 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 03:39.46 | Thunder_Child | indoors* |
| 03:39.48 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawk, all waterwalking does |
| 03:40.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i know, and i'm not surprised.. but eh, one can hope sometimes ;) |
| 03:40.06 | Iriel | It helps significantly inside the building, it's _dark_ |
| 03:40.52 | Iriel | My older camera didn't have a built-in flash tho, so it's hard to say if it's worth lugging an ADDITIONAL external flash |
| 03:40.52 | Thunder_Child | yes, i remember. i was just trying to figure out if it was worth it |
| 03:41.17 | Shirik | Okay, so for those of you having to do with the little riddle we had earlier (S5280) |
| 03:41.21 | Shirik | I found out what it was supposed to mean |
| 03:41.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 03:41.46 | Shirik | !g 5280 feet |
| 03:41.47 | batbot | Shirik: Why are there 5280 feet to a mile? <http://www.coolquiz.com/trivia/explain/docs/mile.asp> |
| 03:41.52 | Shirik | Now add a S in front of that |
| 03:42.06 | Shirik | (I groaned too, it's ok) |
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| 03:42.42 | Thunder_Child | smile....fail |
| 03:42.54 | ScytheBlade1 | wow that's terrible |
| 03:42.55 | Thunder_Child | someone has to much time on their hands |
| 03:44.20 | Kaso | Anyone know what character "^@" is ? |
| 03:45.01 | Iriel | NUL |
| 03:45.04 | Iriel | aka 0x00 |
| 03:45.17 | Kaso | Ah, interesting |
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| 03:46.36 | Kaso | googling ^@ didnt work too well >< |
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| 03:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It's kind of a weird feeling, having control of a /64 |
| 03:50.32 | bleeter | POWAH!!! |
| 03:53.18 | Kirov | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023670471&postId=91711432070&sid=1#7 - brain ... hurt |
| 03:53.41 | Iriel | Kirov: I was going to reply then... sanity took hold |
| 03:55.07 | Thrae | Iriel: So, are you enough of a Lua fanatic to be interested in WAR? |
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| 03:55.19 | Kirov | Iriel - That was my last post. If he goes "how do I do that" my response wiould be "It's obviously impossible. Millions of other people have figured out what to do at this point, but for you, the only option is to take a mallet to your iMac." |
| 03:56.05 | Iriel | Thrae: I looked over the wiki, some interesting choices, and some 'Eww' moments 8-) |
| 03:56.26 | Neuro_Medivh | for some reason, it reminds me of 'Boot to the Head'... "You must have Patience" "Patience, yeah yeah, how long does that take?" |
| 03:56.36 | Thrae | Iriel: Into the API or the game itself? |
| 03:56.50 | Iriel | Thrae: API only, haven't looked at the game |
| 03:57.07 | Thrae | Haha. If only I could code for WoW for free... |
| 03:57.36 | Iriel | You can, you just can't test it |
| 03:57.48 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 03:58.14 | Thrae | Right, which I always need to do... |
| 03:58.47 | Neuro_Medivh | testing code? Who does that? |
| 03:59.00 | Neuro_Medivh | it's easier to just commit and read bug reports! |
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| 03:59.47 | Thrae | I actually considered using *coughprivateserverscough* just for addon development to save money, but I can't cancel my account with my family getting on my case. They always want me to play with them. |
| 04:00.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: .. that sounds like a nice role reversal |
| 04:00.59 | Xuerian | Thrae: qft. |
| 04:01.34 | Neuro_Medivh | lol... I'm imagining a family 'intervention' about it. "Thrae, honey, you have to see what your constant non-playing of WoW is doing to this family!" |
| 04:01.45 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 04:01.58 | NightHawkTheSane | "Daddy won't grind netherwing rep with me anymore.. now i cut myself.." |
| 04:02.53 | Thrae | My Mom was just talking about how she's been playing for the last 6 hours or so today |
| 04:03.32 | Neuro_Medivh | I think my mind would become slightly unhinged if my mother started playing WoW |
| 04:04.30 | Xuerian | admins, lulz. |
| 04:04.53 | Thrae | Ow! I'm not even sure if Cairenn smacked me because of the idea of coding addons without a subscription, or not spending enough time playing WoW with my family :D |
| 04:05.15 | NightHawkTheSane | both, likely |
| 04:05.19 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 04:07.43 | Thunder_Child | but then Cairenn just likes smaking people anyway |
| 04:07.54 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.56 | NightHawkTheSane | well, what female doesn't |
| 04:08.07 | Thunder_Child | uhhh....young ones? |
| 04:08.14 | Xuerian | you'd think |
| 04:08.15 | Thunder_Child | ones that dont know men better |
| 04:08.16 | Xuerian | but you'd be wrong |
| 04:08.17 | Neuro_Medivh | well, some of them want to abuse you, some of them want to be abused |
| 04:08.30 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Neuro_Medivh |
| 04:08.30 | purl | plops Neuro_Medivh into a giant vat of herring |
| 04:08.35 | Cairenn | sweet dreams are made of this ... |
| 04:08.44 | Neuro_Medivh | at least SOMEONE got it =) |
| 04:08.54 | Thunder_Child | we all got it...that was the problem |
| 04:08.58 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 04:09.12 | Thrae | Cairenn: Great, now that song is stuck in my head and I forgot most of the lyrics. |
| 04:09.15 | Neuro_Medivh | original version, not the Marilyn Manson version |
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| 04:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | heh... I totally just tab targeted a poly'd mob and fireblast crit it.. namely, the Blade Flurries :( |
| 04:09.24 | Cairenn | Annie only! |
| 04:09.40 | bleeter | 1984 album was their best ever |
| 04:09.53 | bleeter | movie's still the most depressing thing I've ever seen, totally excellent |
| 04:10.02 | bleeter | if not just for whatsisname's last performance |
| 04:10.06 | bleeter | richard burton |
| 04:10.28 | Neuro_Medivh | I read that book when I was 13, cause it was 1984... book depressed me for like 3 weeks |
| 04:11.03 | bleeter | i can't help but be amazed at the irony that some of the stuff has 'come true', and yet as a western culture we celebrate this via TV 'reality' shows |
| 04:11.14 | bleeter | and no one seems to give a damn |
| 04:12.45 | Nechckn | bleeter keep it down, will ya, Big Brother is on |
| 04:13.13 | bleeter | bah, the 2001 album re-release doesn't have the additional tracks. lame. |
| 04:14.04 | Thrae | bleeter: http://www.newsweek.com/id/150492?tid=relatedcl, Truman Show Syndrome |
| 04:18.59 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Nechckn |
| 04:18.59 | purl | Nechckn: FAIL! |
| 04:19.52 | Nechckn | Come on, that was pure win. |
| 04:20.04 | Nechckn | You are just jealous! ;-) |
| 04:21.40 | Thunder_Child | big brother is not win |
| 04:22.00 | Neuro_Medivh | what's the opposite of 'win'? |
| 04:22.04 | Nechckn | honestly, I hate all of those |
| 04:22.30 | Shirik | Neuro_Medivh: dows? |
| 04:22.32 | Thunder_Child | that would be fail Neuro_Medivh |
| 04:22.48 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, then big brother is the fail |
| 04:23.19 | Thunder_Child | well you dont say "it is the win" so you would not sau "the fail" |
| 04:23.19 | Shirik | I thought I was the opposite of win :( |
| 04:23.28 | Thunder_Child | say* |
| 04:23.47 | bleeter | lusers are in mine |
| 04:23.54 | Shirik | o.o |
| 04:23.55 | Neuro_Medivh | it's the place she puts the stuff that wouldn't fit in rooms 1-100 |
| 04:24.01 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:25.57 | Nechckn | Well, she needs one room per each of her man slaves, silly |
| 04:26.53 | Shirik | Okay, update #2 on the whole "S5280" thing |
| 04:26.57 | Shirik | I found out where this originated |
| 04:27.01 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn, wow, thanks for that disturbing image |
| 04:27.05 | Shirik | Apparently this was the license plate of a dentist |
| 04:27.17 | Shirik | Unlike the earlier joke, I find that to be rather awesome |
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| 04:28.43 | Nechckn | That's cool, Thunder_Child, happy to help. Swing by room 1 and visit me some time. |
| 04:29.03 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn, i would but Shirik keeps hogging you |
| 04:29.11 | Thunder_Child | or maybe thats "snogging" |
| 04:29.15 | bleeter | Attention! Your attention please! |
| 04:29.16 | bleeter | A newsflash has this moment arrived from the Malabar front! |
| 04:29.22 | bleeter | Our forces in South India have won a glorious victory! |
| 04:29.30 | bleeter | Doubleplusgood |
| 04:29.39 | bleeter | times 17.3.84 bb speech malreported africa rectify |
| 04:30.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:32.49 | bleeter | Cairenn: just to make you totally jealous, I saw the Eurythmics at the local 'live' venue pub here when I was very very underage, and they were still The Tourists |
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| 04:33.44 | bleeter | I was too young to appreciate it though, but my brother fell in love. pity for him DS is straight haha |
| 04:33.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:34.14 | Shirik | It's ok Thunder_Child |
| 04:34.17 | Shirik | Nechckn hates me |
| 04:34.46 | Thunder_Child | he doesnt have a choice, room one has a "no turn away" policy |
| 04:39.06 | Antiarc | Holy crap |
| 04:39.08 | Antiarc | Huge diff today |
| 04:39.59 | Antiarc | And a 700mb patch o.0 |
| 04:39.59 | bleeter | lies |
| 04:39.59 | bleeter | ~650Mb |
| 04:40.00 | Neuro_Medivh | level cap was upped to 80 |
| 04:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: it's mirrored |
| 04:40.18 | Antiarc | Well |
| 04:40.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: as are the torrents |
| 04:40.20 | Antiarc | 667 MB |
| 04:40.22 | Antiarc | I rounded up |
| 04:40.29 | Antiarc | Yeah, I'll need a torrent, I'm at 30kb/s |
| 04:40.34 | Antiarc | Go go wowtorrentex |
| 04:40.47 | Shirik | Antiarc: 666.666MB? |
| 04:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: I meant I mirrored it, haha ;) |
| 04:41.05 | Antiarc | Shirik: The downloader says 667mb |
| 04:41.08 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.15 | Antiarc | That works |
| 04:41.21 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: wtb ls -lh on patch |
| 04:41.21 | Shirik | ty |
| 04:41.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? |
| 04:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | 1s -1h? |
| 04:41.42 | Shirik | that's definitely an L |
| 04:41.58 | bleeter | ?? |
| 04:41.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That still makes absolutely no sense |
| 04:42.05 | Thunder_Child | where was there a 600+ mb patch? |
| 04:42.10 | Shirik | Wtb size of patch! |
| 04:42.15 | ScytheBlade1 | You could have just said that |
| 04:42.18 | jaxdahl | en_us = 667 |
| 04:42.20 | Shirik | .... |
| 04:42.21 | jaxdahl | en_gb = 750 |
| 04:42.22 | bleeter | 668M WoW-3.0.1.8788-to-3.0.1.8820-enUS-patch.exe |
| 04:42.22 | Shirik | EXACT size |
| 04:42.28 | End | hm |
| 04:42.39 | End | I'm stuck with the eradication graphic |
| 04:42.39 | bleeter | 700305536 WoW-3.0.1.8788-to-3.0.1.8820-enUS-patch.exe |
| 04:42.44 | jaxdahl | em+is (700,305,536 bytes) |
| 04:42.47 | jaxdahl | en_us |
| 04:42.51 | Shirik | hm |
| 04:42.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:43.02 | Shirik | lua> 700305536/1024/1024 |
| 04:43.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lua>700306536/1024/1024 |
| 04:43.03 | lua_bot | Shirik: 667.86340332031 |
| 04:43.03 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 667.86435699463 |
| 04:43.04 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 04:43.06 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:43.13 | End | lol |
| 04:43.19 | jaxdahl | md5 3e7c14c7af01608467f4c8246a790952 |
| 04:43.25 | Shirik | damn |
| 04:43.26 | End | ScytheBlade1 made a typo though ;-p |
| 04:43.29 | Shirik | so it's not actually 666 :( |
| 04:43.35 | Thunder_Child | how come the ~122mb patch went through the loader but this one didnt? |
| 04:43.39 | ScytheBlade1 | So I did |
| 04:44.04 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: good question. logging in to merely download a patch pisses me off ;) |
| 04:44.24 | Thunder_Child | and the other one was WAY faster |
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| 04:48.18 | Duman | wtf |
| 04:48.28 | Duman | jesus that sucked |
| 04:48.40 | kd3 | whee, northrend world server go down the hooooooole~ |
| 04:48.41 | Duman | I was just finishing typing up a long response to a quest survey when the world server crashed |
| 04:48.44 | Duman | that angers me |
| 04:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:48.50 | NightHawkTheSane | nice to know some things dont change in a patch |
| 04:49.12 | Duman | I was literally moving my mouse over to "submit" |
| 04:49.14 | ccox|work | write a bug report: the survey and bug reports should be saved to WTF and restored after server crashes |
| 04:49.15 | Duman | and it booted me |
| 04:49.51 | kd3 | but I'm pretty damn impressed with what's been done with storm peaks |
| 04:50.07 | kd3 | I've only seen the south/east portions and damn... |
| 04:50.20 | Antiarc | So |
| 04:50.23 | Antiarc | I haven't tried this |
| 04:50.25 | Antiarc | But I think it's valid |
| 04:50.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to have to check it out tomorrow, I have to be up at a decent hour tomorrow :( |
| 04:50.32 | Antiarc | And it is the hellspawn of Satan himself |
| 04:50.33 | Antiarc | http://thefrozenfire.com/data/emailregex.txt |
| 04:50.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I've seen that, yeah |
| 04:50.59 | kd3 | WTF |
| 04:51.28 | kd3 | with a few dozen exclamation marks and question marks at the end |
| 04:55.46 | Kaso | Antiarc, what's the context on that? (and no jokes about context free grammars!) |
| 04:55.55 | Antiarc | It's an email matching regex, apparently. |
| 04:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll match valid e-mail addresses |
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| 04:56.14 | Kaso | ah email addresses |
| 04:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It's heavily obfusciated, but yeah |
| 04:56.23 | Kaso | "email" as a little vague |
| 04:56.26 | Kaso | was |
| 04:58.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay for being up three hours earlier than normal tomorrow! |
| 04:58.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Luckily for me that's 9:00 AM |
| 05:04.57 | Cairenn | night ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:05.52 | Antiarc | Huh |
| 05:06.04 | Antiarc | Buffs that have 30 sec or less remaining will be removed when the arena starts |
| 05:06.05 | Antiarc | Interesting. |
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| 05:08.01 | bleeter | hhaha, I just had the opportunity to ask the GMs whether the statement 'I'm logging to go bonk my g/f' is reportable and actionable |
| 05:08.20 | bleeter | gnigth ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:08.33 | Antiarc | Is that sexing or domestic abuse? |
| 05:08.43 | Antiarc | (As TV has taught us, violence is a-ok but sex is a no-no) |
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| 05:22.03 | Tekkub | Dolby, question |
| 05:22.21 | Dolby | no |
| 05:22.29 | Tekkub | there a nice fast API for getting a list of a user's addons, but doesn't require logging in? |
| 05:22.54 | Tekkub | namely, I need to find the ID for an addon :P |
| 05:23.02 | Dolby | the api the patcher uses doesnt require login |
| 05:23.19 | Dolby | the password field was never taken out |
| 05:23.30 | Tekkub | ah, there some docs somewhere so I don't have to disect the patcher? |
| 05:23.52 | Dolby | hehe not at the moment but will get you the info you need in a bit |
| 05:24.31 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.37 | Tekkub | and this is the final piece |
| 05:25.10 | Tekkub | oh, big ass wrath patch, I won't be playing tonight anyway |
| 05:25.14 | Antiarc | I'm absolutely in shock at the Fury warrior changes. |
| 05:25.22 | Antiarc | Passive mortal strike? No speed penalty on Titan's Grip? |
| 05:25.32 | Tekkub | furry warrior changes? |
| 05:25.45 | Jamash | those are druids |
| 05:25.45 | Diao | yes |
| 05:25.46 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, Tekkub, I'm transcribing my tourguide-recorder notes into something I can use come release.. you have any interest in a copy? Alliance side |
| 05:25.49 | Tekkub | poor nerft tauren warriors |
| 05:25.51 | Diao | fury warriors are lovely |
| 05:25.55 | Xuerian | Antiarc: Wait, no speed penalty? |
| 05:25.59 | Diao | yep |
| 05:26.01 | Xuerian | wtf, when did that happen? |
| 05:26.02 | Antiarc | No speed penalty on Titan's Grip. |
| 05:26.05 | Xuerian | NERF NERF NERF >_< |
| 05:26.06 | Antiarc | Today's patch |
| 05:26.06 | Diao | they made titan's grip 51 points |
| 05:26.10 | Diao | instead of the 45-50 |
| 05:26.10 | Diao | no nerf |
| 05:26.10 | Diao | it's well deserved |
| 05:26.13 | Antiarc | Fury also gets a talent |
| 05:26.16 | Xuerian | but, but |
| 05:26.20 | Tekkub | Neuro_Medivh, who reason I put recorder out there was to get people sending my transcripts so I could make guides |
| 05:26.23 | Antiarc | Your melee crits apply a -25% healing debuff to the target, stacks twice |
| 05:26.25 | Xuerian | I don't WANT to get hit that fast by two things that big |
| 05:26.25 | Antiarc | That's right |
| 05:26.29 | Antiarc | Fury gets a PASSIVE mortal strike. |
| 05:26.30 | Diao | "that fast" |
| 05:26.31 | Antiarc | That works on crits. |
| 05:26.32 | Diao | 3.8 speed |
| 05:26.35 | Tekkub | I highly doubt I'll quest to 80 by the time wrath goes live |
| 05:26.36 | Diao | er |
| 05:26.37 | Antiarc | And has no rage cost. |
| 05:26.38 | Diao | isn't it melee hits |
| 05:26.40 | Diao | not melee crits |
| 05:26.41 | Antiarc | And has no opportunity cost. |
| 05:26.45 | Xuerian | That's still too fast! >_< |
| 05:26.52 | Antiarc | Lemme check |
| 05:26.53 | Diao | it's a very nice fury pvp buff |
| 05:26.55 | Antiarc | I thought it was crits |
| 05:27.00 | Diao | 99% sure it's hits |
| 05:27.01 | Jamash | it's all melee hits |
| 05:27.01 | Antiarc | It's more than a buff |
| 05:27.03 | Diao | i'll check as well |
| 05:27.03 | Antiarc | It's INSANE. |
| 05:27.07 | Diao | nah not really |
| 05:27.11 | Diao | because no serious arena warrior will go fury :p |
| 05:27.16 | Antiarc | How do you figure? |
| 05:27.19 | Xuerian | Antiarc: No, warriors just went from "Things I avoid" to "Things I run like HELL from" |
| 05:27.20 | Diao | even with how awesome titan's grip and white hits are |
| 05:27.21 | Diao | um |
| 05:27.25 | Diao | dual wielding = 17% miss |
| 05:27.31 | Diao | even if you get the "special hit" cap |
| 05:27.32 | Antiarc | Not on specials. |
| 05:27.35 | Diao | and no improved intercept |
| 05:27.40 | Diao | = pain |
| 05:27.45 | Neuro_Medivh | Tekkub, understood, but I'm offering to transcribe them into something legible FOR you. =) |
| 05:27.49 | Diao | heroic leap will sorta-kinda make up for it, but not completely |
| 05:27.54 | Neuro_Medivh | as I *do* plan on Leveling to 80 |
| 05:27.56 | Antiarc | Okay, so even if you don't dual wield |
| 05:27.57 | Xuerian | Oh yeah, then I try to run |
| 05:27.58 | Antiarc | It's still pretty nuts. |
| 05:27.59 | Diao | full arms will still be better than fury |
| 05:28.00 | Xuerian | Then they JUMP ON MY HEAD |
| 05:28.04 | Diao | imo |
| 05:28.15 | Xuerian | ./whine/whine/cry/bitch/switch |
| 05:28.15 | Tekkub | Neuro_Medivh, well in that case I'd prefer both, I'm quite anal about how the guide notes are written |
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| 05:28.22 | Thunder_Child | thats what happebns when you are short Xuerian |
| 05:28.26 | Neuro_Medivh | lol... ok |
| 05:28.32 | Antiarc | New Talent - Furious Attacks (Tier 8 ) - Your normal melee attacks have a 50/100% chance to reduce all healing done to the target by 25% for 8 sec. This can stack up to 2 times. |
| 05:28.35 | Diao | also, imp slam in arms = win |
| 05:28.40 | Diao | was waiting for that |
| 05:28.53 | Diao | as well as the new deep arms talent that enrages you when YOU crit someone instead of getting crit |
| 05:29.00 | Diao | that's far superior to enrage |
| 05:29.07 | Diao | in games where they try to rage starve the warrior |
| 05:29.22 | Diao | because your own attacks will cause enrage instead of waiting for them to attack you |
| 05:29.25 | Antiarc | No more mace stun and a far superior mortal strike in Arms makes Fury a lot easier to move to. |
| 05:29.28 | Neuro_Medivh | Tekkub, where should I send them? I know nothing about gits or svns or commits |
| 05:29.28 | Antiarc | And yeah, that one's nice. |
| 05:29.41 | Tekkub | @gmail.com |
| 05:29.46 | Neuro_Medivh | kk |
| 05:29.51 | Diao | well |
| 05:29.53 | Diao | also |
| 05:29.58 | Diao | imp mortal strike is finally worth speccing into |
| 05:30.15 | Diao | 10% bonus damage AND chance to refresh the cooldown |
| 05:30.18 | Diao | that is ridiculous |
| 05:30.24 | Diao | used to be 5% dmg and 1 sec cd reduction... |
| 05:30.26 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: I'm not short! >.< |
| 05:30.43 | Diao | i honestly can't see anyone speccing fury for arena. for battlegrounds pvp, defintely because it would be fun |
| 05:30.51 | Diao | definitely* |
| 05:31.12 | Neuro_Medivh | hmmm, means i have to make a small change to the guide... I rewrote a small piece of the QuestTracker to use |QID| in addition to |Q|... CTmod's quest level kept messing it up |
| 05:31.44 | ccox|work | 668 MB patcher, lovely |
| 05:32.09 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Xuerian, you are rather defensive |
| 05:32.17 | Xuerian | I'm not short.. I'm a clothy |
| 05:32.21 | Diao | also |
| 05:32.26 | Diao | oh what |
| 05:32.42 | Diao | they removed stalwart protector :((( |
| 05:32.58 | Diao | in prot |
| 05:33.00 | Diao | that makes me sad |
| 05:33.01 | Xuerian | Sure, nerf the spec that can't beat me to pieces :P |
| 05:33.28 | Diao | it was the only thing making warriors able to tank lower level instances with good gear |
| 05:33.31 | Diao | and it got removed gg |
| 05:34.05 | Diao | i find it funny |
| 05:34.10 | Diao | they gave warriors a talent to use rend |
| 05:34.22 | Diao | and yet rend is so bad i doubt anyone will actually bother to switch to battle to keep it up |
| 05:39.00 | digmouse | e how can i config keybinds for bt4 wotlk version? |
| 05:40.26 | Neuro_Medivh | hit /kb, then hover over the button and hit the keybind you want |
| 05:41.15 | Diao | er wait |
| 05:41.20 | Diao | did they remove bull rush too |
| 05:41.38 | Diao | the mmo-champion notes say a "new talent" but i'm looking at the talent calc and it's not even there lol |
| 05:41.45 | Diao | and it was there in the previous push |
| 05:43.05 | digmouse | thx neuro |
| 05:44.25 | Xuerian | Swipe now hits four targets, awesome |
| 05:44.55 | Bibi` | Diao : will check when my connection stops dying |
| 05:45.52 | Diao | ok :p |
| 05:45.57 | Diao | also wtf |
| 05:46.02 | Diao | 40% increased AP from feral druids? |
| 05:46.05 | Diao | isn't that kind of stupidly op? |
| 05:46.11 | Diao | on savage roar |
| 05:46.15 | Xuerian | >:) |
| 05:46.33 | Diao | :p |
| 05:46.46 | Diao | lol nerfing prot warriors all around :( |
| 05:46.50 | Diao | thunderclap cd increased by 50% |
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| 05:56.27 | Jamash | so I'm trying to make a button with a skill on it that can be dragged off, and I tried simply inheriting from SpellButtonTemplate but I'm getting all kinds of errors like "Invalid spell slot" |
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| 06:04.31 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i cant belive it took me 9 months to catch http://www.jibjab.com/originals/in_2007 |
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| 06:06.34 | erikd | anyone know where the dominos svn is (if there is one) |
| 06:16.03 | NightHawkTheSane | erikd: tuller's googlecode svn perhaps? |
| 06:16.41 | nevcairiel | oh yay they got us a debug print in the secure environment |
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| 06:19.45 | ccox | crap, update downloaded but both test realms are offline |
| 06:22.32 | erikd | nighthawk: yeah, i found it :) |
| 06:22.44 | erikd | nev: have you tried bt4 on the latest build yet? |
| 06:23.01 | nevcairiel | no |
| 06:23.05 | nevcairiel | still downloading the patch |
| 06:23.15 | nevcairiel | but i assume it broke |
| 06:23.16 | nevcairiel | the changes look big |
| 06:23.23 | erikd | it seems both bt4 and dominos won't page any more |
| 06:23.36 | erikd | either automatically through druid forms and key binds |
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| 06:23.44 | nevcairiel | I assumed as much |
| 06:23.47 | nevcairiel | alot changed |
| 06:23.54 | nevcairiel | but good changes, from what i can see |
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| 06:25.53 | NightHawkTheSane | posession/vehicle bars appear to have broken also |
| 06:25.58 | NightHawkTheSane | but thats probably related |
| 06:27.08 | kd3 | lmao @ xkcd |
| 06:27.18 | kd3 | so, so very true |
| 06:27.51 | erikd | haha, yeah |
| 06:28.15 | erikd | last time i moved i called weeks beforehand to get an install date the day i moved in |
| 06:29.43 | jaxdahl | kd3, yea |
| 06:29.50 | jaxdahl | first thing i move is my wireless AP |
| 06:29.55 | jaxdahl | and my laptop |
| 06:30.08 | jaxdahl | everything else is secondary |
| 06:30.52 | erikd | so... i still haven't been able to find where the savedvariables are stored in wotlk |
| 06:31.16 | erikd | (on vista) |
| 06:31.47 | Thunder_Child | in the same place it always is |
| 06:31.47 | kd3 | if you installed in program files, it's in your virtualstore under your regular wow account name, not the email you use to login |
| 06:32.13 | erikd | i installed it into the default for vista (c:\users\games\wotlk\) |
| 06:32.25 | erikd | ahh |
| 06:32.29 | erikd | i see |
| 06:32.42 | kd3 | either way, check your wow account, not your blizz account |
| 06:32.51 | Thunder_Child | i dunno kd3, both hold the same info |
| 06:32.53 | erikd | that's interesting, why would they have the seperate directories? |
| 06:33.00 | kd3 | because the client's messed up |
| 06:33.06 | kd3 | for a while it was only using the email |
| 06:33.22 | Jamash | from what I've been able to discern, the blizz account stores stuff that's cached on the server and the wow account stores client side stuff |
| 06:35.59 | NightHawkTheSane | probably the result of a hackneyed solution to get blizzard accounts working to login properly, but not fully implemented and its still using the linked account name in places. :P |
| 06:37.45 | Xuerian | Bah, northrend is down? >_> |
| 06:37.53 | kd3 | they shut both servers off |
| 06:37.54 | erikd | yeah, they brought it down ~5m ago |
| 06:37.58 | erikd | lich king is up |
| 06:38.04 | Xuerian | Ah.. |
| 06:38.33 | Xuerian | geif nr >_< |
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| 06:41.30 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: You fail at packaging addons, btw. |
| 06:41.31 | jaxdahl | storm peaks closed... |
| 06:42.44 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 06:42.49 | kd3 | the hell? |
| 06:43.44 | Fisker- | why is blizzard so srs? |
| 06:44.14 | nevcairiel | There probably is a serious bug in it |
| 06:44.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: ... do i? what did i fuck up? |
| 06:44.56 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Lulz, .ds-store? Mac filesystem files in the zip? :P |
| 06:45.03 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, yeah |
| 06:45.10 | jaxdahl | feels like a bunch of stuff got reverted |
| 06:45.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i was just lazy and hit right-click->compress :p |
| 06:46.05 | Xuerian | jaxdahl: And the warriors of WoW collectively held out their hands, grabbing for their insta-mortal-strike-no-speed-penalty 2handers... finding nothing. |
| 06:46.09 | Xuerian | And the warriors wept. |
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| 06:46.29 | Diao | lol |
| 06:47.33 | erikd | hmm, they changed the DK disease debuffs |
| 06:47.39 | erikd | icons, that is |
| 06:47.42 | NightHawkTheSane | yep |
| 06:49.48 | jaxdahl | i liked the oldl ones |
| 06:49.56 | jaxdahl | easier to visualize |
| 06:50.02 | erikd | yeah |
| 06:50.22 | erikd | it's weird that one's purple when the dk "colors" are blue/red/green |
| 06:53.40 | Maldivia | *yawn* morning |
| 06:53.44 | NightHawkTheSane | the new ones aren't bad once you get used to em |
| 06:53.53 | erikd | and i'm heading off to bed :) |
| 06:54.01 | erikd | morning maldivia and g'night everyone else |
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| 06:54.05 | Maldivia | night erikd :) |
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| 06:58.27 | nevcairiel | Hm the new secure implementation indeed looks interesting |
| 06:59.09 | nevcairiel | patch download hurry! |
| 07:00.16 | Elkano | download running at 150kb/s :/ |
| 07:00.42 | Elkano | upload had just hit 700... |
| 07:00.51 | Cairenn | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/WoW-3.0.1.8788-to-3.0.1.8820-enUS-patch.exe courtesy ScytheBlade1 |
| 07:01.00 | Cairenn | it's the US one though |
| 07:01.02 | nevcairiel | boo US |
| 07:01.43 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 07:02.06 | nevcairiel | too bad their "next druid iteration" or how they called it, didnt make it in the patch |
| 07:02.22 | Xuerian | nevcairiel: I like the couple changes that made it in anyway :p |
| 07:02.31 | nevcairiel | well yeah |
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| 07:02.40 | nevcairiel | but they still said that there will be a big revamp |
| 07:02.43 | nevcairiel | at some point |
| 07:03.03 | Xuerian | Hm... nifty |
| 07:03.06 | nevcairiel | and warrior prot tree again falls short |
| 07:03.21 | Maldivia | http://coblitz.codeen.org/http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/temporary/WoW-3.0.1.8788-to-3.0.1.8820-enGB-patch.exe -- for direct download of enGB patch |
| 07:03.32 | Xuerian | nevcairiel: well, I'm taking solace in the fact that the new music is awesome |
| 07:04.42 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: thats some content-distribution-network i assume? my blizz loader is faster, sadly :( |
| 07:05.05 | Maldivia | nev: ok, I'm downloading at 600kb/sek from that link (ie, my connection is capped at that speed) |
| 07:05.14 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 07:05.14 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 07:05.17 | nevcairiel | i only gfot 50 |
| 07:05.27 | Elkano | just wow... http://www.coverpop.com/whitney/whitneyChromatic.swf |
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| 07:06.30 | smcn | hmm, my first thought seeing the url, did whitney houston ninja a chromatic carapace? |
| 07:06.52 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 07:07.01 | Maldivia | nev: just tried the link from another connection, and downloading at 1.3MB/sec |
| 07:07.12 | nevcairiel | i must be broken |
| 07:07.14 | Maldivia | nev: so you should be able to get better speed than 50kb/sec |
| 07:07.50 | nevcairiel | ah now its faster |
| 07:07.52 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 07:08.21 | Elkano | wow, hitting even 2mb/s sometimes |
| 07:09.17 | nevcairiel | must've been something weird when i tried it initially |
| 07:09.44 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: codeen is a cache, but if it's overloaded it bounces back to the original location of the file, could be you were unlucky and it did that the first time |
| 07:11.06 | Elkano | lol... http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1827534 |
| 07:11.08 | Maldivia | or rather, coblitz is the cache :) |
| 07:11.32 | |pez| | God morning good people of #wowuidev! |
| 07:11.54 | End | morning? |
| 07:11.56 | End | oh dear |
| 07:12.02 | End | I should go to bed |
| 07:12.16 | |pez| | It's 9.12am here! |
| 07:12.31 | Xuerian | freeeeaaak |
| 07:12.44 | Maldivia | morning pez |
| 07:12.45 | |pez| | Xuerian: whaat? ;__; |
| 07:12.53 | Xuerian | ..... freeeeaak. >.> |
| 07:12.55 | nevcairiel | 9 am and up already! |
| 07:13.12 | |pez| | More like... not gone to sleep yet! .. :D |
| 07:13.17 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 07:14.01 | Xuerian | Oh, ok |
| 07:14.06 | Xuerian | You're all good then |
| 07:15.50 | Maldivia | more 9am... and at work already... |
| 07:16.09 | Elkano | 9am and at university... |
| 07:16.27 | |pez| | 9am and waiting for the father-in-law like person to call. |
| 07:16.37 | |pez| | so I can get my damned car fixed. |
| 07:19.46 | nevcairiel | 9 am and waiting for the beta patch to finish :) |
| 07:20.04 | Elkano | hmm... wow... I downloaded the patch using wget to the loaction the blizzard downloader would have loaded it and now vista doesn't let me start it... |
| 07:20.39 | nevcairiel | turn off uac already |
| 07:22.48 | Elkano | ok, it had set user permission none set ^^ |
| 07:23.20 | nevcairiel | wget doesnt like windows permissions, eh? |
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| 07:23.37 | Elkano | maybe ^^ |
| 07:24.07 | zenzio | Windows has a very different concept of permissions |
| 07:24.47 | nevcairiel | oooh nice new engineering recipes |
| 07:24.49 | Tekkub | Stupid users are stupid |
| 07:24.56 | Tekkub | *stab stab stab stab stab stab stab* |
| 07:25.19 | bleeter | MOAR STABZ!!! |
| 07:26.07 | nevcairiel | Gnomish X-Ray Specs .. Equip: Allows you to see players without closing and armor. |
| 07:26.10 | nevcairiel | I need to build that |
| 07:26.37 | bleeter | that's it, I'm tx'ing my mage =)) |
| 07:26.40 | bleeter | *mage/engi |
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| 07:38.45 | Jamash | aaaand servers are down |
| 07:38.47 | ccox | wow "server shutdown in 0:15" |
| 07:38.58 | Corrodias | wow? |
| 07:39.06 | ccox | at least inscription trainers are now working, but still not enough spells to level |
| 07:39.07 | Fisker- | btw lol |
| 07:39.14 | Fisker- | death knights have waterwalk |
| 07:39.16 | jaxdahl | yea, 15:00.. 20 sec later, 00:15 |
| 07:39.19 | jaxdahl | Fisker- yep |
| 07:39.23 | jaxdahl | it needs to be castable while mounted |
| 07:39.24 | Fisker- | inscription trainers always been working here |
| 07:39.26 | bleeter | oO are they forcing XP in all BGs in WotLK? |
| 07:39.33 | Corrodias | heheh, something important has come up and they want it down NOW |
| 07:39.39 | nevcairiel | thats pretty usual, accelarated shutdown for a hotfix, it seems |
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| 07:39.51 | ccox | Fisker - several weren't working, and there was only one vendor with inscription mats |
| 07:40.09 | jaxdahl | two vendors |
| 07:40.09 | Fisker- | bleeter explain yourself |
| 07:40.10 | Fisker- | :O |
| 07:40.16 | ccox | maybe they'll nerf ret pallies :-) |
| 07:40.19 | jaxdahl | dalaran, amber ledge |
| 07:40.22 | |pez| | Ah, man, I'm so gonna fall asleep when I'm "modeling" for a hairdresser trainee... |
| 07:40.25 | bleeter | PlayerA: .I wish they would give some XP per kill or some forced XP per BG to remove the twink plague. |
| 07:40.28 | jaxdahl | right now ret paladins are hilariously nerfed |
| 07:40.28 | ccox | ah, never made it to dalaran |
| 07:40.34 | bleeter | PlayerB: You'll like WOTLK, then. |
| 07:40.36 | |pez| | I'm getting a free hairwash, and headmassage <3 |
| 07:40.44 | Jamash | I don't have a problem with twinks as long as they make separate bgs for them |
| 07:40.49 | ccox | jax - can we leave it that way? |
| 07:40.53 | Jamash | which they won't |
| 07:41.06 | jaxdahl | ccox, no |
| 07:41.30 | ccox | awwwww |
| 07:41.47 | ccox | I wanna see them suffer like they made everyone they ganked suffer |
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| 08:10.36 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 08:10.41 | nevcairiel | found a bug in the secure code |
| 08:10.56 | bleeter | nowai |
| 08:11.30 | Kalroth | We need a nev setting for WoW Lua |
| 08:11.45 | Kalroth | "Error: being a nevcairiel you cannot assign any variables." |
| 08:12.47 | nevcairiel | they flipped the parameters of the _childupdate function |
| 08:12.48 | nevcairiel | -- evil hack due to bug in the code |
| 08:12.48 | nevcairiel | scriptid, message = message, scriptid |
| 08:12.51 | nevcairiel | had to apply evil hacks |
| 08:12.53 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 08:13.18 | bleeter | haha, that is evil |
| 08:14.12 | nevcairiel | But i like the new patch |
| 08:14.17 | nevcairiel | the secure code is nice |
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| 08:31.02 | Jamash | gui programming is hard :( |
| 08:31.25 | Mike-N-Go | How can I go about moving my pet bar on the beta? |
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| 08:40.26 | Corrodias | hack the gibson and change the config |
| 08:44.02 | Jamash | Check the WotLK beta category on WoWI for bar moving addons |
| 08:45.44 | Maldivia | hmm... CancelUnitBuff |
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| 08:50.48 | Jamash | maybe gui programming isn't as hard as I thought |
| 08:51.06 | Jamash | the secret is knowing what to copy and paste and what to comment out |
| 09:04.31 | nevcairiel | thats the secret of fail |
| 09:04.45 | nevcairiel | the real secret is to read THE book |
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| 09:08.38 | cncfanatics | :o, beta cap got raised to 80 |
| 09:08.44 | cncfanatics | I might start lvl'ing my drood |
| 09:11.49 | Jamash | I'm still poking around at 71 'cause I spend all my time writing addons |
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| 09:18.11 | Antiarc | cladhaire: Where do babies come from? |
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| 09:18.54 | bleeter | I ain't done squat in WotLK,really. My heart died when my DK got dumped @ LHC with no more lore/quest for it, and I couldn't face levelling my 70's with non-accelerated XP gain. Might change that this weekend ;) |
| 09:19.09 | cladhaire | Antiarc: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/ref/babies |
| 09:19.13 | Antiarc | The XP requirements have been backed off |
| 09:19.21 | Antiarc | Also, <3 |
| 09:19.24 | cladhaire | :P |
| 09:19.39 | Corrodias | cladhaire: all is explained! |
| 09:19.57 | cladhaire | I need to finish off DressToKill |
| 09:20.05 | cladhaire | so I can get the EJ crowd to work on the weight functions |
| 09:20.10 | Corrodias | although in WoW, i suspect babies come from the stork when night elves dance on mailboxes and a bystander cheers a little too hard |
| 09:20.23 | Pandemic-vhell | I need to write a mod today that disables /tells if it's someone not in your party that you're attempting to tell |
| 09:20.28 | Pandemic-vhell | :) |
| 09:24.10 | Maldivia | cladhaire: with the new Gnomish X-Ray Specs, is that really needed ? :) |
| 09:25.11 | Maldivia | (new engineering googles, with: Equip: Allows you to see players without clothing and armor.) |
| 09:25.23 | cladhaire | :P |
| 09:25.35 | bleeter | so why all the sudden chatter? beta realms down? :P |
| 09:25.41 | Maldivia | at work |
| 09:25.46 | Corrodias | *perk* |
| 09:26.13 | Corrodias | i nominate Maldivia for election to a WoW design board |
| 09:26.49 | Corrodias | unless that already exists. i haven't actually heard anything about items in like 6 months |
| 09:27.02 | Pandemic-vhell | it's two guys that do it |
| 09:27.04 | Pandemic-vhell | :) |
| 09:27.08 | Pandemic-vhell | a troll and a druid |
| 09:27.29 | Maldivia | Corrodias: they were added with last nights beta build :) |
| 09:28.04 | Corrodias | i approve |
| 09:28.48 | Corrodias | there were people who got all upset at the idea of other people having nudity mods and seeing their characters naked. there are people who get upset about -anything-. |
| 09:29.52 | Corrodias | now i'm reminded of the time rogues got a buff in some patch (blinding powder not being needed any more), and rogue players managed to post on the official forums to complain |
| 09:30.21 | Corrodias | that change may not have gone live |
| 09:30.57 | Maldivia | hmm, is a UI diff up yet anywhere, or should I post one? |
| 09:31.09 | nevcairiel | kd3 send his round-mail |
| 09:31.31 | cladhaire | I'll run the API compare in a second |
| 09:31.32 | Maldivia | ok |
| 09:31.42 | cladhaire | but that's different from the UI diff |
| 09:31.42 | cladhaire | :P |
| 09:31.42 | cladhaire | so do yours as well |
| 09:32.56 | Cairenn | (2008-08-21 22:43:34) kd3: interface diffs done. anyone not on my list want a copy? |
| 09:33.01 | Shefki | Well I can say for sure that GetComboPoints() now requires an arg(s) (unitid, [target]) |
| 09:33.21 | Shefki | And that PLAYER_COMBO_POINTS is now UNIT_COMBO_POINTS |
| 09:34.29 | cladhaire | nice :P |
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| 09:34.53 | Maldivia | focus frame now part of the UI |
| 09:35.03 | Jamash | really? awesome |
| 09:35.19 | Pandemic-vhell | wow it is? |
| 09:35.20 | Maldivia | anyway, 8788>8820 UI diff: http://patchdiff.pastey.net/94416 |
| 09:35.22 | Pandemic-vhell | that's amazing |
| 09:35.30 | Kalroth | buff for arenas! |
| 09:35.36 | cladhaire | Maldivia: can you not put those up on patchdiff |
| 09:35.40 | cladhaire | patchdiff is meant for teh API compares |
| 09:35.44 | Maldivia | sorry :| |
| 09:35.48 | cladhaire | not a problem |
| 09:35.51 | cladhaire | just dont want people to get confused |
| 09:35.58 | cladhaire | i can just make apidiff |
| 09:35.59 | cladhaire | :P |
| 09:36.11 | Kalroth | Maldivia: Wait, that isn't an API compare, I'm confused now. |
| 09:36.33 | Kalroth | ./shy |
| 09:36.36 | Maldivia | figured it would be a good place to put it, as I saw one last time pasted there |
| 09:36.48 | cladhaire | well they make more sense there i guess |
| 09:36.54 | cladhaire | i'll make a new pastey for api diffs |
| 09:37.26 | Kalroth | so apidiff.pastey for patch diffs and patchdiff.pastey for api diffs? |
| 09:37.35 | cladhaire | i hate you lenny |
| 09:37.41 | Lyn_ | wtf 750 mb patch |
| 09:37.49 | haste | :D |
| 09:37.57 | Lyn_ | meh.. |
| 09:38.20 | Kalroth | cladhaire: If I'm your Lenny, will you be my Homer? |
| 09:38.26 | cladhaire | k k |
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| 09:38.46 | Arrowmaster | i wish you people would use -p for your diffs |
| 09:38.50 | Kalroth | Antiarc can be Barney |
| 09:38.51 | Maldivia | ohh, cancelPlayerBuff is CancelUnitBuff now |
| 09:39.19 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.19 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.30 | nevcairiel | UnitBuff also has a extra argument now |
| 09:39.34 | Kalroth | Cairenn can be Marge! |
| 09:39.35 | nevcairiel | er, extra return value |
| 09:39.39 | nevcairiel | "isMine" |
| 09:40.04 | bleeter | hey, did there ever used to be a /suggestion for the Beta? Seem to recall Blue post references to it, yet can't seem to get it to work |
| 09:40.20 | Jamash | well, you can click the blue B and select "suggestion" |
| 09:40.21 | cladhaire | http://apidiff.pastey.net/94418 |
| 09:40.23 | nevcairiel | use /bug and select suggestion as category? |
| 09:40.34 | bleeter | ah, /suggest |
| 09:40.34 | Lyn_ | Cairenn, wohow, thank you :) |
| 09:40.38 | Maldivia | Cairenn: wirebrain also has enUS patch (just replace GB with US), to not strain SB1 too much :) |
| 09:40.55 | Cairenn | sb1's a torrent |
| 09:40.59 | cladhaire | yay |
| 09:41.03 | cladhaire | print function in game now |
| 09:41.05 | cladhaire | print(foo) |
| 09:41.17 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: -p, use it! |
| 09:41.19 | Jamash | but does it work on tables? |
| 09:41.25 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: what in the hell does -p use in that case |
| 09:41.28 | Maldivia | Cairenn: ohh, ok - the other is direct download for both :) |
| 09:41.44 | Arrowmaster | http://www.gnu.org/software/diffutils/manual/html_mono/diff.html#C%20Function%20Headings |
| 09:41.54 | Cairenn | ahhh |
| 09:42.02 | Maldivia | Cairenn: SB1s file is direct download - not a torrent |
| 09:42.23 | Cairenn | it wasn't when I used it :p |
| 09:42.31 | Maldivia | he has both up |
| 09:42.33 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: that doesn't seem to change a damn thing with mine, because I"m not diffing code. |
| 09:42.35 | nevcairiel | I've only seen print in the secure environment now /me tests if its everywhere |
| 09:42.49 | cladhaire | it is, defined globally |
| 09:42.52 | cladhaire | with a setprinthandler function aswell |
| 09:42.56 | nevcairiel | nice |
| 09:43.34 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: ah, i see the change, nice :P |
| 09:43.35 | Lyn_ | Maldivia, where on wirebrain did you find the wotlk patches? :o |
| 09:43.44 | Maldivia | setprinthandler is wrongly implemented though :9 |
| 09:43.58 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: more readable especially with your diff right? |
| 09:44.05 | wereHamster | nevcairiel: what does 'isMine' mean? That you created the buff? |
| 09:44.12 | Maldivia | wereHamster: yeah |
| 09:44.27 | wereHamster | too bad it's not a GUID :) |
| 09:44.42 | cladhaire | in that case: http://apidiff.pastey.net/94420 |
| 09:44.57 | Kalroth | is that a patchdiff or an .. nm! |
| 09:45.20 | Maldivia | someone missed an else in the setprinthandler :) |
| 09:45.23 | Arrowmaster | yay! -p! |
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| 09:46.07 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: i already found an issue in the implementation of the secure code too, thats why its beta :D |
| 09:46.25 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: yeah, I know |
| 09:46.28 | cladhaire | indeed! |
| 09:46.58 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: but this one was kind of obvious, considering the method doesn't do anything with correct input :9 |
| 09:47.05 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 09:48.31 | cladhaire | I'm about 30% of the way through 66 |
| 09:48.36 | cladhaire | think i can make 68 today? |
| 09:48.59 | Arrowmaster | i found a bug |
| 09:49.13 | Arrowmaster | line 761 in http://patchdiff.pastey.net/94416 |
| 09:49.17 | Pandemic-vhell | is http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api from beta or live? |
| 09:49.28 | Kalroth | live I believe |
| 09:49.30 | Pandemic-vhell | am I safe to use that as a reference for live |
| 09:49.30 | Pandemic-vhell | ok |
| 09:49.31 | Pandemic-vhell | :) |
| 09:49.54 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure cladhaire would put a notice on the APIs if they're not 2.4 compatible anyways |
| 09:50.01 | cladhaire | yep |
| 09:50.08 | cladhaire | we're holding off on a 3.0 documentation push |
| 09:50.12 | cladhaire | because the docs are so volatile right now. |
| 09:50.16 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: whats broken there? |
| 09:50.43 | Arrowmaster | is that not a bug? |
| 09:50.49 | haste | how is it a bug? |
| 09:51.46 | Maldivia | you can split over multiple line just fine, if t hat's what you're refering to? |
| 09:52.02 | Arrowmaster | if its not then i blame my ability to not try silly things like that to ever realize that it actually worked |
| 09:52.07 | Maldivia | but there's a new return value to that API method |
| 09:52.16 | Kalroth | inviteStatus |
| 09:53.27 | Arrowmaster | actually i take that back, i have tried 'var =\n {\n ... \n}' before and it errored on me |
| 09:54.14 | cladhaire | whitespace almost never matters in lua |
| 09:59.44 | Jamash | looks like print() just appends the values given, so it's better than message() but not as good as /dump from devtools |
| 10:00.24 | Jamash | s/append/concatenate/ |
| 10:00.46 | nevcairiel | its like a simple ChatFrame1:AddMessage |
| 10:00.56 | nevcairiel | pretty nice for simple debugging |
| 10:02.22 | Maldivia | there's also a global debug method hehe :) |
| 10:02.50 | Maldivia | that does: DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("VehicleMenuBar: "..msg, 1.0, 0 ,0 ,0) |
| 10:02.56 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:06.42 | Maldivia | anyone listened to the new zone music for SP? |
| 10:07.20 | nevcairiel | I heard it was closed with a hotfix again? |
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| 10:10.23 | Maldivia | haven't actually been able to log in yet |
| 10:10.54 | Maldivia | servres weren't up when I went to bed, and this morning - well, I went to work in stead |
| 10:11.59 | Maldivia | not that that would stop me from listening to the new music though |
| 10:12.25 | Maldivia | and the SP music is really nice... dark, moody, yet light at the same time |
| 10:12.52 | nevcairiel | I love the dragonblight music |
| 10:12.56 | nevcairiel | for some reason |
| 10:13.19 | Maldivia | a lot of the music is really cool - although I'm not the biggest fan if the new opening music |
| 10:13.39 | haste | *removes -nosound* |
| 10:17.12 | haste | damn that dragon makes a lot of noise |
| 10:18.56 | nevcairiel | that opening music is probably what icecrown will sound like =P |
| 10:19.42 | amro|afk | I think from that close you'd be able to hear bass sounds from arthas's icecrown VIP party |
| 10:22.21 | haste | do they use lossy for the audio in WoW? |
| 10:22.32 | haste | it sounds like it's really low bitrate :< |
| 10:22.42 | Jamash | the music is stored as mp3s |
| 10:22.42 | nevcairiel | its mp3 |
| 10:22.43 | haste | audio as in music |
| 10:22.50 | nevcairiel | but generally should be good quality |
| 10:23.06 | haste | the wotlk login screen can't be |
| 10:23.11 | Jamash | you can pull the files yourself and check the bitrate if you like |
| 10:23.15 | nevcairiel | 44khz 160kbps |
| 10:23.38 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.24 | Jamash | low is <128, 160 is more like "normal" |
| 10:25.39 | haste | might be, I don't have much mp3 |
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| 11:00.34 | Kalroth | 160 kbps is clean enough for most people, 192 kbps is the norm today though |
| 11:00.46 | Kalroth | especially since space rarely matters |
| 11:05.33 | zenzio | I stream 96k regularly at work, the quality is still good enough |
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| 11:14.46 | haste | depends on what you use for listening also |
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| 11:20.26 | Fisker- | anyone in storm peaks? |
| 11:27.15 | cncfanatics | is there a libspecialevents-aura working on libstub and working with wotlk already ? |
| 11:29.16 | Pneumatus | i doubt it, seeing as se-aura has been abandoned |
| 11:30.44 | haste | do you even need that lib anymore? |
| 11:33.35 | leethal | is there a function around that yields 'himself' or 'herself' based on the sex of the unit in question? |
| 11:34.16 | cladhaire | you use selectors |
| 11:34.21 | cladhaire | in string.format |
| 11:34.24 | cladhaire | along with UnitSex |
| 11:34.45 | leethal | aight |
| 11:35.09 | cncfanatics | haste: no idea, I'm going to start wotlk coding tomorrow |
| 11:35.43 | haste | cncfanatics: the aura functions have accepted names for quite some time now |
| 11:36.11 | cncfanatics | well, I need slightly other things :) |
| 11:36.26 | cncfanatics | buff highlighting for actionbars is slightly anoying |
| 11:36.37 | nevcairiel | that can easily be done without SE-Aura |
| 11:36.44 | nevcairiel | check how tuller does it |
| 11:36.49 | nevcairiel | its not even a page of code |
| 11:36.59 | cncfanatics | yea, I know :p done it several times without SE in fb |
| 11:37.13 | cncfanatics | just seeing I'm making it as easy as I can for myself when I start |
| 11:37.17 | cncfanatics | looking up libs I can use atm |
| 11:37.42 | nevcairiel | you know, the goal is not to maximize library usage =p |
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| 11:37.58 | cncfanatics | I know |
| 11:38.06 | cncfanatics | I'm not trying to maximize libs :p |
| 11:38.06 | cladhaire | custom code will always be faster than libraries |
| 11:38.08 | cladhaire | and more concise |
| 11:38.10 | cncfanatics | I'm trying to minimize coding I need to do |
| 11:38.12 | cladhaire | and make more sense |
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| 11:38.52 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, might just stick to only using buttonfacade then |
| 11:38.57 | cncfanatics | and use my own code for everything else except GUI |
| 11:40.14 | nevcairiel | doh now coldarra worldserver died |
| 11:40.32 | haste | how rare |
| 11:41.10 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt know, i was in a instance ebfore |
| 11:41.12 | cncfanatics | downloading the patch here |
| 11:41.15 | nevcairiel | went out to summon some guy |
| 11:41.18 | nevcairiel | and bam! |
| 11:41.38 | Punkie | it turned into the flintstones? |
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| 11:45.07 | p3lim | How do I make a statusbar go the other way? I tried this but it didnt work http://pastey.net/94424 |
| 11:46.34 | Fisker- | Anyone know who controls the trash in BT? |
| 11:46.46 | Fisker- | the one around the ashtongue people just before akama |
| 11:47.01 | smcn | akama |
| 11:47.17 | Cairenn | Punkie: since you probably weren't around when this came up last - that term isn't allowed in here |
| 11:47.29 | Cairenn | that's your one and only warning |
| 11:47.34 | p3lim | Anyone knows? :/ |
| 11:48.23 | Tifi | you mean a bar that fills from right to left? |
| 11:49.18 | Punkie | sorry! |
| 11:49.22 | Tifi | you need your own statusbar for that |
| 11:50.09 | cncfanatics | lol Cairenn, well said :p |
| 11:50.58 | Tifi | http://code.google.com/p/wow-tifi/source/browse/trunk/CooldownWatch/CooldownWatch.lua?r=12 search for CreateStatusBar |
| 11:51.21 | p3lim | is that the only way? |
| 11:52.16 | leethal | hmpf, I wish they had a download that let you use the data files from a pc installation of wotlk and just "convert" that into a mac installation somehow |
| 11:52.17 | Tifi | well, i don't know a better way |
| 11:52.27 | leethal | so that it'd be a 50 meg download rather than 2 gigs |
| 11:52.29 | Tifi | else i'd use it ;) |
| 11:52.46 | cncfanatics | leethal: you can hack that yourself |
| 11:52.53 | cncfanatics | just download the binaries from the torrent |
| 11:53.00 | leethal | hmmm good point |
| 11:53.01 | cncfanatics | and copy over the data files in the install folder |
| 11:53.19 | cncfanatics | its not even hard lol |
| 11:53.26 | leethal | torrent ftw |
| 11:53.38 | cncfanatics | indeed :p |
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| 12:02.28 | Bouvi | Good morning cruel world!!! |
| 12:02.38 | bleeter | bah |
| 12:04.46 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 12:12.08 | Elkano | ~seen iriel |
| 12:12.12 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 8h 14m 24s ago, saying: '8-)'. |
| 12:12.55 | Elkano | is there a known change to UnitAura in the latest build wrt the last return value? |
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| 12:32.29 | bleeter | kd3: Fedora Infrastructure team report is out: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.html |
| 12:34.01 | bleeter | kd3: Hmm, looks like RHN got sideswiped, too |
| 12:35.21 | bleeter | kd3: scratch that, RH got sideswiped by a different intrusion, but they're confident RHN wasn't hurt |
| 12:37.53 | Elkano | is there a diff online somewhere wrt todays patch? |
| 12:38.34 | cladhaire | the framexml diff is at http://patchdiff.pastey.net |
| 12:38.42 | cladhaire | the API/event/cvar diff is at http://apidiff.pastey.net |
| 12:40.41 | Elkano | thx clad :) |
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| 12:51.09 | Maldivia | F11 is an evil evil key... |
| 12:51.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, very much so. |
| 12:51.47 | Maldivia | it got stuck on my keyboard... and vupti, Eclipse started the program 36 times |
| 12:53.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 12:53.41 | leethal | github.com/blizzard/ had been pro |
| 12:56.14 | Wobin | argh |
| 12:56.22 | Wobin | that's the second time WoW's crashed me to my death |
| 12:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | I couldn't play the alpha for exactly that reason. *sadness* |
| 12:57.01 | Wobin | I'm playing live =P |
| 12:57.46 | Wobin | Fatal Condition |
| 12:57.50 | Wobin | Failed to read data |
| 12:57.53 | Wobin | grrr |
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| 12:58.46 | Unregistered | hey i had a question about item databases |
| 12:59.38 | Unregistered | my friend showed me something on his account where he could see what drops were at certain locations etc and i just downloaded cosmos (its what i thought he had) and i cant seem to find it. any suggestions? |
| 13:00.11 | Elkano | atlas/atlasloot? |
| 13:00.34 | Unregistered | is that included w the cosmos dl? |
| 13:00.50 | Elkano | most likely not |
| 13:00.58 | Unregistered | o ok |
| 13:01.05 | Elkano | but I've got no idea about cosmos anyways |
| 13:01.29 | Unregistered | righto, all i really wanted was the loot db anyhow |
| 13:01.47 | Unregistered | ty later |
| 13:02.33 | Elkano | another satisfied customer... |
| 13:03.32 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, he comes and goes so quickly these days, it's kind of funny. |
| 13:05.13 | Elkano | well, most likely a webbaded client on the cosmos page |
| 13:05.24 | Elkano | didn't even know that monstrum was still around |
| 13:06.35 | Lopeppeppy | All monsters live under the bed in infinitity. |
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| 13:18.27 | Aznamir | Hi all. |
| 13:18.35 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 13:18.44 | Aznamir | Did the last patch broke secured frames again? |
| 13:18.51 | Aznamir | Interface\FrameXML\RestrictedExecution.lua:758: Call failed: Interface\FrameXML\RestrictedExecution.lua:350:bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table e.... expected got nil) ? |
| 13:20.22 | Elkano | iirc they were changed once again ^^ |
| 13:20.48 | Aznamir | Any idea what exactly changed? |
| 13:21.05 | Lunessa | ... disturbing. Funny, but disturbing: http://www.somethingpositive.net/index.html |
| 13:23.08 | Lopeppeppy | So you did destroy my science project! |
| 13:23.45 | Lunessa | I will punch your chest open and fuck your still beating heart. ... <squick> |
| 13:25.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Hard cord. |
| 13:25.31 | Lopeppeppy | *core |
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| 13:26.39 | doow | Lopeppeppy: hmm.. gotta be a pun in that somehow |
| 13:26.56 | doow | Lopeppeppy: or a good base for one at lease |
| 13:27.00 | doow | least* |
| 13:28.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a good straight man, but keep your puns to yourself. :) |
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| 13:38.01 | Lunessa | "She said, don't feed me no straight lines and keep your puns to yourself." |
| 13:39.54 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
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| 13:41.57 | doow | where's that from? (google didn't help any) |
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| 13:47.43 | Kalroth | Did you mean: don't feed me no straight lines and keep your buns to yourself |
| 13:47.48 | Kalroth | Thanks google! |
| 13:57.52 | doow | grr.. I didn't get that |
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| 14:19.54 | Lunessa | doow: I mangled a line from a Georgia Satellites song to make a joke. |
| 14:20.25 | Lopeppeppy | Based on the "straight man" line I offered of "keep your puns to yourself" |
| 14:20.31 | zenzelezz | should've used Shred instead |
| 14:20.59 | zenzelezz | or Swipe... or some real druid ability |
| 14:23.26 | doow | Lunessa: ok, no wonder I didn't get it then, I've never even heard of Georgia Satellites |
| 14:23.53 | Lunessa | ... She said, "Dont' give me lines and keep your hands to yourself." |
| 14:24.05 | Lunessa | WTF, you lived under a rtock for the last 25 years? |
| 14:24.11 | doow | what's the name of the song? |
| 14:24.13 | doow | nope |
| 14:24.29 | doow | maybe they're not that big in sweden? |
| 14:24.40 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my4lhkxLRjg |
| 14:24.41 | doow | or maybe I'm just not very hip |
| 14:26.16 | Neuro_Medivh | it might have been better had you not misspelled 'puns' as 'buns' |
| 14:26.58 | Lunessa | I got it right in my joke. :P |
| 14:27.00 | wereHamster | is there a cummulative 3.0 patch or will I have to download heaps of patches when I install the beta client? Or is the beta client already fully patched? |
| 14:27.37 | Lunessa | When I reinstalled I had to download subsequent patches. |
| 14:27.42 | Aznamir | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.12 | Lopeppeppy | Patches! More patches!! |
| 14:28.51 | Neuro_Medivh | my DK is all brokeded after this patch... Oblit nerfed, Death Strike buffed, yet not buffed |
| 14:29.04 | Neuro_Medivh | plus, I'm all green |
| 14:29.51 | doow | Lunessa: I like it =) |
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| 14:31.52 | Lunessa | doow: It was their 1 big hit, but they have a great Southern Rock sound that I like. Their album is still in production, so you should be able to find it if you want it, or get tracks from iTunes. |
| 14:32.08 | doow | cool |
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| 14:42.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, so I wake up (still in bed even!) and figure, "Why not check the trash known as the beta forums" |
| 14:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | "Oh, what's this I see? A Paladin Boycott thread? Almost expected!" |
| 14:42.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023700835&sid=2000 |
| 14:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I read it. |
| 14:43.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow that's win. |
| 14:43.06 | ScytheBlade1 | (Not the thread, the replies) |
| 14:43.53 | ScytheBlade1 | "This dude is like a special gift from his parents. For once they let him go outside without his helmet and look what happened. " |
| 14:44.04 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 14:46.16 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Epic win |
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| 14:51.11 | Anaral | So what significant changes occurred in this last build? |
| 14:51.45 | Lopeppeppy | Apparently paladins got a new bug to not-play with. :P |
| 14:52.38 | Anaral | lol |
| 14:52.42 | Anaral | Yeah I read that. |
| 14:53.23 | Anaral | Hmm, xchat is marking every message as a highlighted message... though no key words are being used... |
| 14:53.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, judgements are hitting for a whopping 0. |
| 14:53.45 | Lopeppeppy | Level Cap = 80 now apparently... kd3 was going to post diffs... |
| 14:54.16 | cladhaire | diffs are already up |
| 14:54.20 | cladhaire | http://patchdiff.pastey.net |
| 14:54.24 | cladhaire | http://apidiff.pastey.net |
| 14:55.10 | Anaral | Um, both of those are blank |
| 14:55.18 | cladhaire | look at the recent posts. |
| 14:55.26 | Anaral | There we go |
| 14:55.33 | cladhaire | i shouldn't have to spoon feed |
| 14:55.39 | Anaral | Nah, it was noscript. I couldn't see the posts on the side. |
| 14:56.25 | Lopeppeppy | NoScript is lovely, until it's not. :) |
| 14:56.38 | Anaral | Heh, pretty much |
| 14:56.41 | Lunessa | - here... I was silly on forums: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023609319&sid=1 |
| 14:57.14 | Anaral | Grr. This whole sound on msg highlight when none of my keywords have been used is going to be annoying. |
| 14:57.15 | AckisWork | Glyph of Renew - Reduces the duration of your Renew by 3 sec. but increases the amount healed per time by 40%. <-- isn't that two beneficial things? |
| 14:57.39 | cladhaire | yes? |
| 14:57.42 | cladhaire | why is that a bad thing? |
| 14:58.05 | Lunessa | AckisWork: No. Fewer ticks |
| 14:58.12 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: because several of the mage ones had a good/bad component |
| 14:58.15 | Lunessa | But more per tick |
| 14:58.20 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: ie, +dmg, -snare on frostbolt |
| 14:58.29 | cladhaire | well the duration on renew is a bad thing |
| 14:58.33 | cladhaire | you want longer duration |
| 14:58.33 | Anaral | Note to self: XChat highlight keywords require zero spaces. >.< |
| 14:58.52 | AckisWork | Lunessa: more overall healing tho |
| 14:59.07 | AckisWork | and on a side note: "COMPANION_LEARNED" |
| 14:59.09 | Lopeppeppy | But a shorter duration = having to reapply, etc. |
| 14:59.10 | Lunessa | More haelz is gud, no? |
| 14:59.37 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: 60-80% of my healing during a normal fight is with renews heh |
| 14:59.55 | Lopeppeppy | AckisWork, exactly. |
| 15:00.13 | AckisWork | I wonder if you can toggle glyphs on/off during combat, or even at all |
| 15:00.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Well we have a GLYPH_REMOVED event |
| 15:01.07 | cladhaire | Nagrand has a really high level of pvp activity |
| 15:01.11 | ScytheBlade1 | While I doubt they'll allow that in combat, hopefully we don't have to destroy them like we do gems |
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| 15:02.19 | AckisWork | on another side note, my skin started peeling from my sunburn and I had a nice good 3 inch piece come off this morning :( |
| 15:02.27 | malreth | AAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!! PEEELING!!! |
| 15:02.29 | Sixen | "Iriel's glowsticks become elongated" |
| 15:02.31 | Sixen | Erm... |
| 15:02.36 | Lopeppeppy | ... that's just icky, AckisWork. |
| 15:02.53 | AckisWork | yes yes it is was 30 mins late because of skin issues lol |
| 15:02.56 | Josh_Borke | ... |
| 15:03.02 | malreth | my face still hurts |
| 15:03.13 | Josh_Borke | AckisWork: one time, i was able to peel off a scalp of skin, it was AWESOME |
| 15:03.22 | AckisWork | woah really? |
| 15:03.26 | AckisWork | did you save it? |
| 15:03.33 | Josh_Borke | a good 16 sq inches |
| 15:03.34 | Josh_Borke | naw |
| 15:03.42 | AckisWork | aww |
| 15:03.47 | AckisWork | something like that I would've saved |
| 15:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | My brother burns within 20-30 minutes of being outside |
| 15:03.51 | Josh_Borke | it was cool because you could see the holes for hair folicles |
| 15:03.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Once he was in the sun for a good two hours |
| 15:04.01 | Josh_Borke | ScytheBlade1: the poor guy |
| 15:04.06 | ScytheBlade1 | You could peel his entire back off multiple times in sheets |
| 15:04.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never seen blisters that big before |
| 15:04.27 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: and you thought what I said was icky :P |
| 15:05.05 | malreth | http://superhappy.livejournal.com/336980.html |
| 15:05.54 | cladhaire | ding 67 |
| 15:06.00 | ScytheBlade1 | grats slacker |
| 15:06.22 | AckisWork | wow leveling instead of making tomtom work in wrath! ;) (PS: Grats) |
| 15:06.38 | Anaral | Heh |
| 15:07.50 | malreth | my therapeutic dental cleaning took an hour an a half yesterday afternoon |
| 15:07.53 | zenzelezz | now now peppy, no need for that... we can have some nice alone time together ;-o |
| 15:07.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 15:08.01 | Lopeppeppy | MALRETH! *shudder* |
| 15:08.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry 'peppy ;) |
| 15:08.16 | malreth | now my teeth is squeeky cleen |
| 15:08.51 | zenzelezz | must have hurt your grammar too |
| 15:09.36 | AckisWork | anyone want to see pics of my toe surgery or the 50 stitches to my face? :P (points at Lopeppeppy) |
| 15:09.58 | Lopeppeppy | Stitches are funny. Skin and dentists aren't. |
| 15:10.01 | Punkie | i'll see the stitches |
| 15:10.02 | Punkie | :P |
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| 15:11.03 | AckisWork | http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n89/Ackis/Cut%20Up%20Face%202006/facecutup20063.jpg (pre-stitch) http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n89/Ackis/Cut%20Up%20Face%202006/HPIM3473-1.jpg (post stitch the next morning) RAWR I'm scarface |
| 15:11.32 | Punkie | what did you do? |
| 15:11.44 | AckisWork | some jackass took a glass and smashed it into my face |
| 15:11.45 | Kaso | holy shit did you try to hug a lawn mower or something |
| 15:12.04 | Lopeppeppy | Purty |
| 15:12.08 | Dark_Elf | gotta love them bar fights |
| 15:12.10 | AckisWork | and I didn't do anything to deserve it :( |
| 15:12.11 | |Jelly| | Please tell me be didn't walk away unscathed. |
| 15:12.30 | AckisWork | he was a friend and I was at his house watching "the girl next door" with him and another buddy |
| 15:13.08 | Fisker- | why so scarface AckisWork ? |
| 15:13.25 | AckisWork | I see what you did there! |
| 15:13.40 | Fisker- | i am a bad person |
| 15:13.42 | Punkie | AckisWork: so then what happened, he just smashed a glass in your face? o.O |
| 15:13.51 | Lunessa | That's a lot of cuts. |
| 15:13.55 | Sixen | (8:11:45 AM) Kaso: holy shit did you try to hug a lawn mower or something |
| 15:13.58 | Sixen | Lmao, :X |
| 15:13.58 | AckisWork | I don't wear glasses |
| 15:14.12 | AckisWork | oh misread that |
| 15:14.15 | AckisWork | ~lart self |
| 15:14.15 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in self's direction, hitting self and sending self flying into the closet |
| 15:14.31 | Sixen | That looks painful. |
| 15:14.42 | AckisWork | yah they hurt a little bit |
| 15:14.50 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 15:15.04 | Sixen | I felt left out, needed to emote as well. |
| 15:15.13 | |Jelly| | ~hug Sixen |
| 15:15.13 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Sixen and suddenly hugs Sixen tightly |
| 15:15.16 | Sixen | <3 |
| 15:15.22 | AckisWork | |Jelly|: there was no rhyme or reason behind it, random act of rage violence |
| 15:15.29 | |Jelly| | ... |
| 15:15.52 | doow | I can see why you wrote "he _was_ friend" |
| 15:16.05 | AckisWork | I wasn't being a douche, asshole, jerk, etc |
| 15:16.13 | |Jelly| | Even still. |
| 15:16.26 | |Jelly| | Smashing a glass in someone's face is reserved for *epic* fucksocks. |
| 15:16.27 | Punkie | I don't get it |
| 15:16.44 | AckisWork | it was just a blindside with a glass (at least I bled all over his house ahahahhaahaha) |
| 15:17.25 | cladhaire | wow that is fucked up |
| 15:17.39 | |Jelly| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR04A0S6-C0 <-- end of that clip |
| 15:17.41 | AckisWork | cladhaire: 427+ "debug", 429+ "getprinthandler", 434+ "print", 436+ "setprinthandler" <--- chance to play with those? |
| 15:17.50 | |Jelly| | Prolly NSFW |
| 15:17.53 | cladhaire | its justa basic print function |
| 15:17.53 | AckisWork | it took the doctor 3 hours to stitch my face up |
| 15:18.09 | cladhaire | and no i didn't get to plau much |
| 15:18.09 | AckisWork | (she was cute though) |
| 15:18.13 | cladhaire | but they're defined in FrameXML |
| 15:18.40 | Punkie | was the doctor all like: wait, what? |
| 15:18.47 | AckisWork | pretty much |
| 15:19.09 | Punkie | so have you talked to this dude since? |
| 15:19.51 | AckisWork | kinda, I work with him :P |
| 15:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | I would the day I presented my doctor bills... |
| 15:20.06 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: Canadian |
| 15:20.18 | Fisker- | did you tell him that he was doing it wrong? |
| 15:21.12 | Punkie | still can't believe the US doesn't have an NHS type thing |
| 15:21.37 | cladhaire | <3 nhs |
| 15:21.57 | Punkie | yeah, people complain about it in the UK, but I personally haven't hada problem with it |
| 15:22.03 | Lopeppeppy | Punkie... we soooo don't. Is sad. |
| 15:22.22 | cladhaire | me netiher |
| 15:22.38 | Punkie | well I watched that Sicko thing, it was pretty awful (although it was obviously biased) |
| 15:22.39 | cladhaire | I got in really quickly for my colonoscopy |
| 15:22.50 | cladhaire | and I'm going in to the breast clinic Sept 9th |
| 15:23.03 | Josh_Borke | AckisWork: you look thoroughly drugged |
| 15:23.11 | Lopeppeppy | cladhaire, don't remind me. Ugh. Next year for me. |
| 15:23.20 | AckisWork | I wasn't actually |
| 15:24.10 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: don't let him touch your boobies on a first date! |
| 15:24.14 | cladhaire | kk! |
| 15:24.18 | Josh_Borke | you don't want to look desperate |
| 15:24.34 | cladhaire | I hate having to go to the booby clinic |
| 15:24.37 | cladhaire | all the women looking at me =/ |
| 15:24.48 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 15:24.49 | sioraiocht | Punkie: Most of the complaints I have heard re: NHS are from people that need special or extended medical care. I think for your basic needs it's fine |
| 15:25.06 | Punkie | well yes, for example transplants etc |
| 15:25.19 | Punkie | you can't magic organs out of thin air |
| 15:25.32 | AckisWork | cladhaire: just pretend you're giving exams next time you go |
| 15:25.40 | Josh_Borke | Punkie: bought i just bought a conjure pancreas from a guy off the street |
| 15:25.43 | Josh_Borke | you mean it won't work? |
| 15:25.44 | cladhaire | lol AckisWork |
| 15:25.44 | Josh_Borke | :-( |
| 15:25.52 | Josh_Borke | AckisWork: lol |
| 15:25.55 | sioraiocht | Punkie: well, not in the US, either, but from what I understand it's easier to demand priority care, etc, if you're the one cutting the check to the surgeon =p |
| 15:26.00 | Josh_Borke | s/bought/but/ :-/ |
| 15:26.08 | ckknight | cladhaire: lol, then you could be like, a Federal Booby Inspector |
| 15:26.14 | cladhaire | wooT |
| 15:26.17 | Punkie | sioraiocht: yeah, well we have private health care too |
| 15:26.20 | ckknight | bewbs |
| 15:26.49 | sioraiocht | I know, dentistry is a nightmare =/ |
| 15:27.22 | Bibi` | what's the name of the minimap frame ? |
| 15:27.27 | sioraiocht | ckknight: if cladhaire starts inspecting any boobies he will lose the organs with which he does so =p |
| 15:27.38 | cladhaire | eek |
| 15:27.43 | ckknight | lol |
| 15:27.55 | cladhaire | Bibi`: the whole thing is MinimapCluster, the minimap is Minimap |
| 15:28.02 | Josh_Borke | sioraiocht: what if you go with him and help? |
| 15:28.09 | Bibi` | thanks cladhaire ^^ |
| 15:28.13 | cladhaire | yw :P |
| 15:28.27 | sioraiocht | Josh_Borke: I would consider that a possible negotiation |
| 15:28.59 | Ktron | *pop* |
| 15:29.04 | AckisWork | sioraiocht: so I guess he can't talk without a tongue? |
| 15:29.30 | malreth | hold on... wait |
| 15:29.32 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 15:29.36 | malreth | how did i miss out on this conversation? |
| 15:30.03 | Josh_Borke | malreth: you were out stalking? |
| 15:30.04 | Lopeppeppy | brb every people. |
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| 15:30.32 | malreth | 30 minutes until i get a free burrito from chipotle |
| 15:30.40 | malreth | i hunger |
| 15:30.51 | cladhaire | mmm |
| 15:31.04 | cladhaire | so |
| 15:31.05 | cladhaire | I'm level 67 |
| 15:31.16 | ckknight | malreth: I want a burrito |
| 15:31.16 | cladhaire | anyone think I can make 70 by ... Sunday? |
| 15:31.26 | erikd | on beta or live? |
| 15:31.31 | cladhaire | live |
| 15:31.33 | cladhaire | no rest xp |
| 15:31.34 | cladhaire | solo |
| 15:31.43 | erikd | do you plan on sleeping? |
| 15:31.45 | Bouvi | cladhaire: Sure you can. |
| 15:31.58 | cladhaire | yes I would like to sleep :P{ |
| 15:31.59 | erikd | you can do 60-70 in ~3.5 days |
| 15:32.13 | erikd | without sleeping much |
| 15:32.22 | cladhaire | well i never sleep all that much |
| 15:32.36 | cladhaire | my gear is suck shit too |
| 15:32.44 | erikd | ah, that'll make a difference |
| 15:32.44 | cladhaire | 1748 ap in cat form |
| 15:32.48 | erikd | i think you could |
| 15:33.00 | leethal | whaaaat is good for fite? |
| 15:33.07 | leethal | (and has many ap?) |
| 15:33.09 | cladhaire | thats what you get for running no instances and only equipping quest rewards |
| 15:33.32 | cladhaire | 9 days, 11 hours on this character to 67 :P |
| 15:34.46 | leethal | noone said "cat durid", I need to become more popular I think |
| 15:34.48 | cladhaire | i want to get started gearing up for pvp |
| 15:35.10 | cladhaire | lol leethal |
| 15:35.22 | Aznamir | Dpws anyone know what has changed in RestrictedExecution.lua in last patch? |
| 15:35.32 | cladhaire | Aznamir: check the diff? |
| 15:35.43 | Aznamir | where? |
| 15:35.53 | cladhaire | http://patchdiff.pastey.net |
| 15:36.03 | Aznamir | my mod broke again |
| 15:36.22 | cncfanatics | bleh, zoning is damn slow |
| 15:36.37 | cncfanatics | at this rate the zep will have moved back to azeroth before its done loading |
| 15:36.55 | erikd | aww, they completely nerfed dk aoe tanking in the latest patch |
| 15:37.45 | Aznamir | is there a way to diff RestrictedEnvironment.lua only ? |
| 15:37.51 | cladhaire | wowcompares.com |
| 15:37.54 | cladhaire | when the patch is uploaded |
| 15:37.56 | cladhaire | if it isn't already |
| 15:38.09 | cladhaire | or extract it and diff |
| 15:38.36 | ckknight | the restricted stuff is looking sweet |
| 15:38.37 | cncfanatics | WTB northrend loading |
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| 15:39.49 | ckknight | oh, also, if anyone is up for exploring Northrend and runs Cartographer 2 or 3, please email me (ckknight at gmail) your saved variables, so that I can get foglight up to date. |
| 15:41.43 | malreth | SWEET JESUS!!! http://community.livejournal.com/food_porn/4812327.html French toast cupcakes with maple glaze topped with bacon! |
| 15:42.41 | malreth | I want to eat those until I die from it |
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| 15:46.21 | Shirik | You know, it's nice that these auto-updating programs have progress bars to tell you how long it will take, etc. |
| 15:46.31 | Shirik | The one thing you don't want to see when it pops up is "Please wait a while..." next to it |
| 15:46.41 | Shirik | someone needs to consider rewording that |
| 15:47.21 | Neuro_Medivh | Perhaps give some helpful tips on how to pass the time? |
| 15:47.49 | erikd | give people a tetris game to play like the old caldera linux installer |
| 15:48.02 | Neuro_Medivh | "While you are waiting, you might like to read a book... we recommend 'War and Peace' " |
| 15:49.08 | Shirik | hm, apparently verizon access manager needs an update too :/ |
| 15:49.15 | Shirik | wtf does everyone update on the same day |
| 15:51.34 | Aznamir | How can i extract FrameXML from MPQ files? |
| 15:51.36 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ytMx7irm-c |
| 15:51.39 | Shirik | ~framexml |
| 15:51.39 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 15:51.54 | Aznamir | le sigh |
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| 15:52.12 | Lunessa | that's for clad and ck |
| 15:52.53 | AckisWork | Lunessa: I'm looking too! :P |
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| 15:57.24 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, my wine has no WoW sound anymore |
| 15:57.25 | cncfanatics | weird |
| 15:58.06 | Punkie | http://events.jochen-schweizer.de/index.php?id=349&L=1 <-- would be freaking awesome |
| 16:00.32 | cncfanatics | if anyone ever gets sound problems with WoW under wine |
| 16:00.36 | cncfanatics | make sure ur windows version is not vista |
| 16:01.44 | AckisWork | I get sound problems under real Vista... and real XP :P |
| 16:02.03 | cncfanatics | well, windows sucks after all |
| 16:02.18 | AckisWork | I get this annoying buzzing noise |
| 16:02.24 | AckisWork | I blame gnomes |
| 16:02.38 | Rabbitbunny | you know what would be cool... a thing that showed you how many degrees of freinds list someone was from you... ofc, you'd have to have a copy of everyone's list, and the comm data would be annoying... but 'this guy knows DarkLord17' would be pretty cool. |
| 16:03.52 | Shirik | Rabbitbunny: Like to create a social network map? |
| 16:04.10 | Rabbitbunny | Yeah. |
| 16:04.24 | Shirik | That would be awesome, really |
| 16:04.27 | cncfanatics | if everyone gets the addon thats not too hard to do |
| 16:04.36 | Shirik | cncfanatics:Define "hard" |
| 16:04.41 | Shirik | Code-wise No it's not |
| 16:04.49 | Shirik | That's a LOT of traffic, though |
| 16:05.07 | Shirik | I mean, you can background it |
| 16:05.08 | Shirik | but still |
| 16:05.09 | cncfanatics | I ment code-wise |
| 16:05.36 | Maldivia | arghhh... CancelUnitBuff is protected |
| 16:05.43 | Shirik | Good |
| 16:05.48 | Shirik | About time they did that |
| 16:05.51 | Shirik | ffs |
| 16:06.05 | cncfanatics | can still call it outside of combat np |
| 16:06.10 | cncfanatics | if u need it for ur autosalv canceller :p |
| 16:06.25 | Maldivia | can't call it out of combat |
| 16:06.35 | Shirik | Too many druids automating tasks |
| 16:07.02 | Maldivia | well, now I have to make my buff list secure, just so I can right-click to cancel |
| 16:07.13 | Shirik | minor price to pay for equality :) |
| 16:07.16 | cncfanatics | yes you can call it out of combat |
| 16:07.19 | Shirik | that's why you're in the beta :) |
| 16:07.21 | Rabbitbunny | they should just remove druids and give prot warriors and their buffs. |
| 16:07.35 | cncfanatics | why did it automate more druid stuff then other stuff ? |
| 16:07.37 | Rabbitbunny | s/and t/all t/ |
| 16:07.46 | Maldivia | cnc: tried a simple /run CancelUnitBuff("player", "Thorns") and I got ane rro |
| 16:08.02 | cncfanatics | Maldivia: you can easely hack around that : |
| 16:08.11 | cncfanatics | with macros & shit |
| 16:08.17 | cncfanatics | rather use the framework blizz supplied though :) |
| 16:08.36 | Maldivia | yeah I know, I can easily /cancelaura blah |
| 16:10.03 | Tem | cncfanatics: druids could automatically "powershift" |
| 16:10.10 | Shirik | yeah |
| 16:10.13 | Shirik | That's what I really got sick of |
| 16:10.19 | Tem | which, honestly, I don't see a problem with |
| 16:10.23 | Tem | their dps is so low |
| 16:10.28 | Tem | give em a break |
| 16:10.37 | Shirik | "If < x mana then cancel cat form" "If no cat form, cast cat form" "cast whatever" |
| 16:10.51 | Shirik | er |
| 16:10.52 | Tem | more or less, yeah |
| 16:10.53 | Shirik | <x energy |
| 16:11.20 | Tem | anyway, it's not a real loss since LK should fix them without the need for powershifting anyway |
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| 16:21.01 | Anaral | Anyone know why I keep getting the following error when copying my files from disc to my computer? Cannot copy <filename>: Data error(cyclic redundancy check). |
| 16:21.27 | cladhaire | the CRC check is failing, meaning the data is likely corrupt |
| 16:21.41 | Shirik | CRC check |
| 16:21.43 | Shirik | like ATM machine |
| 16:21.48 | Shirik | or IRC chat |
| 16:22.25 | Anaral | That sucks. Most are images I don't have another copy of. :( |
| 16:22.50 | Anaral | They show up if I select the Thumbnail view. So would I be able to print from the CD? |
| 16:24.33 | cladhaire | well the thumnail might be stored in thumbnails.db or something else. |
| 16:24.42 | cladhaire | its really hard to diagnose it from afar :P |
| 16:24.58 | Anaral | Yeah |
| 16:24.59 | fridgid | yeah, crc is a check to ensure that sections of a file aren't corrupt |
| 16:25.14 | Anaral | Mrr |
| 16:26.15 | fridgid | it preforms and algorithm on sections of the file and that produces a check bit or bits, which then have to match up with w/e the files given hash should be, if they're not the same, part of your file isn't the same as the original |
| 16:26.23 | fridgid | you getting this with a bt client? |
| 16:26.32 | Gnarfoz | disc -> computer |
| 16:26.34 | Gnarfoz | read |
| 16:26.35 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 16:26.36 | Anaral | Aye |
| 16:26.51 | Fisker- | oh lawd Shirik |
| 16:26.51 | Anaral | To Gnarfoz |
| 16:26.55 | Gnarfoz | so... your disc is damaged. try another drive with (probably) better error correction |
| 16:26.59 | Fisker- | "Cyclic Redundancy Check Check" |
| 16:26.59 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 16:27.10 | fridgid | lol |
| 16:27.11 | Gnarfoz | "Fisker- Fisker-" :X |
| 16:27.39 | Anaral | Well that won't help much... as these are my only copies of the photos. |
| 16:28.06 | fridgid | what program are you trying to open them with? or are you just trying to copy them to a hdd? |
| 16:28.30 | fridgid | photoshop can handle corrupt images pretty well for the most part |
| 16:28.39 | Anaral | Copy them to harddrive |
| 16:28.51 | Anaral | I'll try opening them with Photoshop. |
| 16:28.55 | Lopeppeppy | Copy protect on the image/disk? |
| 16:28.59 | fridgid | i think even the windows preview app can open the part thats good |
| 16:29.15 | AckisWork | 8788 = latest wrath? |
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| 16:29.16 | Gnarfoz | fridgid: that error is a filesystem error |
| 16:29.16 | fridgid | but you'll prob not be too happy with the incomplete pics |
| 16:29.24 | Gnarfoz | windows won't give the files to the applications |
| 16:29.32 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: no |
| 16:29.35 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: 8820 |
| 16:29.38 | AckisWork | ugh |
| 16:30.20 | Gnarfoz | so unless you're using some program that implements CDFS (be it ISO9660 or UDF) itself, you won't be able to use those files |
| 16:31.00 | Anaral | Ugh, they are all set to readonly... but when I try to uncheck read only I get 'Access is denied.' |
| 16:31.14 | fridgid | Gnarfoz, is prob right, i can't say i've run into files corrupted at the file level |
| 16:31.26 | fridgid | try cleaning the disc or using another drive i guess |
| 16:31.30 | Gnarfoz | Anaral: on the disc? |
| 16:31.33 | Anaral | Aye |
| 16:31.38 | Gnarfoz | Anaral: ... |
| 16:31.43 | Gnarfoz | ~lart Anaral |
| 16:31.43 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of Anaral's pants |
| 16:31.49 | Anaral | lol |
| 16:31.54 | fridgid | lol |
| 16:32.02 | Gnarfoz | you know what "ROM" in CD-ROM and DVD-ROM stands for, right :p |
| 16:32.17 | cladhaire | worst warrior ever |
| 16:32.17 | cladhaire | =( |
| 16:32.22 | Shirik | who, you? |
| 16:32.22 | Anaral | okay... either way, photoshop also gives me a corrupt error |
| 16:32.24 | cladhaire | all I needhim to do is hold two mobs |
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| 16:32.40 | cladhaire | i may not have sublety |
| 16:32.41 | cladhaire | but cmon not. |
| 16:32.42 | cladhaire | now |
| 16:32.42 | Anaral | And after that reminder, yeah, I feel dumb... and sad... |
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| 16:32.55 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe his hands are full of pizza, cladhaire. |
| 16:33.03 | cladhaire | well that would be acceptable. |
| 16:33.11 | Gnarfoz | Anaral: try another computer. there's several factors involved that may change the outcome of trying to read the files =) |
| 16:34.50 | fridgid | so is wotlk gonna be worth resubbing? |
| 16:34.57 | Gnarfoz | rewhat |
| 16:35.03 | fridgid | subscribing |
| 16:35.06 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 16:35.19 | Gnarfoz | dunno, I've never un"subbed" before :D |
| 16:35.28 | fridgid | i cancelled sometime close to sunwell |
| 16:35.39 | Malgayne | Fridgid: Depends. Why'd you cancel? |
| 16:36.29 | fridgid | lots of reason, i guess a more apt question would be, what does wotlk bring to the ttable in terms of new stuff? it looks neat, but im beginning to get the feeling players are having superhero abilities etc |
| 16:36.47 | fridgid | but i havne't given it a fair look aside talent stuff in beta screenies |
| 16:37.14 | foxlit | While you're here, defined "superhero abilities etc" |
| 16:37.45 | erikd | superhero abilities: any ability a DK can use. |
| 16:37.52 | erikd | :P |
| 16:38.11 | fridgid | lol, i dunno i haven't played since like feb, but it was starting to feel like everybody was getting up to being able to one-shot everybody else, and reading the wotlk abilities didn't help that, granted i still think for the most part they've done a good job with class balance (mainly speaking pvp) |
| 16:38.30 | Malgayne | I'm not much of a pvper so I can't really speak to pvp at all |
| 16:38.37 | erikd | they wotlk gear has a ton of sta on it, even more than before |
| 16:38.39 | Malgayne | But I can tell you that if nothing else |
| 16:38.43 | Malgayne | everything is different |
| 16:39.03 | foxlit | "up to being able to one-shot everybody else" << has never been true |
| 16:39.05 | fridgid | moreso than the normal > bc sta upgrades? |
| 16:39.07 | foxlit | Ever. |
| 16:39.28 | foxlit | Even in vanilla WoW, retribution paladins could one shot critters only :) |
| 16:39.56 | fridgid | no, but some abilities were getting up there, my main was a mage, also have a 70 war/druid/warlock, but i dunno |
| 16:39.59 | erikd | i gotta help someone with some code atm but soon as i'm back i'm gonna continue this conversation |
| 16:40.15 | fridgid | my mage b/f i quit could 2-3shot almost everybody without clickys |
| 16:40.22 | fridgid | except maybe warriors |
| 16:41.10 | fridgid | not that i think theres something hugely wrong with it, it just looked like the new abilities are even more so ridiculous i guess is what im trying to say |
| 16:41.10 | cladhaire | How on earth are we wiping on Hungarfen |
| 16:41.15 | foxlit | Give me a damage output number rather than x-shot :) |
| 16:41.48 | fridgid | 3.5k fireballs? |
| 16:41.49 | foxlit | Because "2-3shot almost everybody" sounds as removed form reality in PvP as you can get |
| 16:41.54 | fridgid | yeah |
| 16:42.23 | Shirik | I liked RF Onlin |
| 16:42.38 | Shirik | you could get 2-3 shot easily, in fact most people did. However, one-on-one, nobody ever lived |
| 16:42.39 | Shirik | er |
| 16:42.40 | Shirik | died |
| 16:42.52 | Shirik | I have 10k health and get hit for maybe 3-4k |
| 16:43.06 | fridgid | i dunno i'll prob skip out on wotlk anyways, since i got my WAR beta invite >_< |
| 16:43.10 | fridgid | ps AoC sucks |
| 16:43.14 | Shirik | But the game isn't about 1-on-1, it's about team pvp |
| 16:43.16 | Shirik | 50 on 50 :) |
| 16:43.24 | Shirik | SOOO much fun |
| 16:43.36 | foxlit | (nor have I ever seen a mage cast fireball anywhere in PvP where it'd matter) |
| 16:44.18 | fridgid | AoC was such a waste of 50 bucks for me, the only cool part about it is that its rated M |
| 16:44.33 | fridgid | yeah, its mainly scorch spam and fire blast |
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| 16:45.34 | fridgid | i dunno, all mages have IB now though right? |
| 16:45.46 | AckisWork | AoC was a waste of $200 for me stupud freakin game |
| 16:46.12 | Neo|Other | AckisWork: $200? you got 4 accounts? |
| 16:46.17 | fridgid | im only level 70 in aoc, and i guess its ok, its pretty buggy but i guess thats to be expected, but it just feels too unpolished |
| 16:46.27 | fridgid | yeah i spent $50 + maybe one months sub |
| 16:46.39 | Neo|Other | fridgid: I bet war will be similar in that aspect |
| 16:46.48 | Neo|Other | would not surprise me at all |
| 16:46.58 | fridgid | yeah, but i dunno wow was crappy at launch too |
| 16:47.10 | Neo|Other | not reall |
| 16:47.18 | Neo|Other | there's different levels |
| 16:47.20 | fridgid | shit who sitll remembers the +1 +2 +3 days play time on your accounts cuz servers were shit |
| 16:47.36 | Neo|Other | see, WoW had a lot of content all the way to level 70 and sufficient to keep you busy at 70. might have been bugs and such yes |
| 16:47.39 | foxlit | The servers were usually fine |
| 16:47.50 | Xuerian | fridgid: I didn't play at release, but I played on a release server, and I remember that :p |
| 16:47.56 | Neo|Other | but games like AoC (and heck, lesser ones like Auto Assault) have more bugs and don't even have the content |
| 16:48.01 | foxlit | It's that their maintenance never could keep within the scheduled timetables. |
| 16:48.11 | Xuerian | Also, I want try WAR, not sure about buying it yet >_> |
| 16:48.24 | Neo|Other | fridgid: and they were overwhelmed with a much higher than expected load |
| 16:48.44 | fridgid | i think the beta just went to 'open' but not sure, i only got my invite like wednesday and i haven't finished d/l the client yet (fricking 9.33gb torrent) |
| 16:49.09 | fridgid | im not hating on blizz for wow launch, just saying it wasn't exactly smooth sailing |
| 16:49.25 | Neo|Other | sure but it's not the same thing as the game itself was pretty complete |
| 16:49.27 | fridgid | AoC has potential, but if WAR is anything like daoc its gonna win imo |
| 16:49.46 | Neo|Other | people expect a few bugs and issues but they don't expect uncomplete questing once you're 1/2 max level |
| 16:50.24 | Duman | boo, world server! |
| 16:50.39 | fridgid | holy shit that works.....hahaha thats a riot.....i got an upgrade only cd for vista ultimate from work, and i heard you can do an install without a produt key of ultimate and then rerun the installer and 'upgrade' from ultimate with the key and it'll activate and ti works |
| 16:50.45 | Xuerian | fridgid: beta went open... to pre-orders |
| 16:50.52 | fridgid | o |
| 16:51.15 | Xuerian | I dun wanna by the damn game to see how it plays XD |
| 16:51.20 | fridgid | i know they said it wasn't gonna be true open beta, but i know the nda got lifted for one |
| 16:51.49 | fridgid | god fuck fey, if my power goes out again im gonna be pissed |
| 16:52.24 | Xuerian | fridgid: Yeah, I applied for beta right when they opened applications, no invite :( |
| 16:52.25 | AckisWork | Neo|Other: I got the CE, all the pre-order items and the ezboard item |
| 16:52.38 | fridgid | i dunno, if war is as fun as doac, but as polished as wow, i can easily see myself playing it for 3+ years |
| 16:52.39 | Neo|Other | AckisWork: owned! |
| 16:53.14 | Neo|Other | fridgid: or it could be another AoC, Vanguard, SWG NGE 45, Auto Assault, etc etc etc |
| 16:53.25 | fridgid | Xuerian, i think you just need a decent dxdiag file, and the trial by fire promo code helps a lot, cuz i was in it for maybe 6 months, and two days after i got a code from my friend i got in |
| 16:53.47 | fridgid | Neo|Other, its possible, but i'm also in the beta so i can see before i buy xD |
| 16:54.24 | Xuerian | fridgid: Define.... decent |
| 16:54.41 | Xuerian | fridgid: I mean, my P4 is a little on the aging side, but she works! >.< |
| 16:54.50 | fridgid | well im not sure exactly, but i mean something thats not like a p4...lololol |
| 16:54.53 | Neo|Other | fridgid: I've played so many fail mmo's I am cynical about new ones |
| 16:54.59 | fridgid | yeah |
| 16:55.14 | Xuerian | Balls >.< |
| 16:55.34 | fridgid | Xuerian, my comps a vista (dx10 is prob a plus) 3.0ghz c2d, with and 8600gt |
| 16:55.49 | fridgid | granted my gfx sucks, but everything else is less than 9 months old |
| 16:56.12 | Xuerian | fridgid: I really should build a new box =| |
| 16:56.40 | fridgid | i don't think the gfx are as steep as AoC, but im guessin gif you have like a p4 2.0ghz on xp with like a 6800 or somehting you're prob not on the top of the list |
| 16:56.58 | Neo|Other | Xuerian: if you do, wait for intel's new CPU |
| 16:57.03 | Neo|Other | should be a major boost |
| 16:57.08 | Neo|Other | Core i7 |
| 16:57.11 | Xuerian | Neo|Other: Greh? Which one-- |
| 16:57.25 | fridgid | i just bought another c2d 3.0 damnit, whats this new one? |
| 16:57.27 | Xuerian | Ah. Well, "Should build" translates to "Should stop being a bum and get money for" |
| 16:57.35 | fridgid | lol |
| 16:57.44 | Neo|Other | quad core cpu, with hyperthreading |
| 16:58.01 | Neo|Other | but one nice feature is that if you, say, game it will shut down unneeded cores and self-overclock the remaining one |
| 16:58.13 | Neo|Other | so you gain like 20-30% performance for that one app |
| 16:58.16 | Neo|Other | or so they claim |
| 16:58.23 | fridgid | i still think quad cores are a waste for 90% of the people who buy them |
| 16:58.31 | Xuerian | Neo|Other: That's awesome. I'm going to guess the price is not awesome, though |
| 16:58.50 | Neo|Other | fridgid: as I said, this one will likely be better than a faster clocked dual core |
| 16:58.59 | Neo|Other | multi-core CPU's are amazing too |
| 16:59.12 | Neo|Other | no need to "but is my <little app> using 1% of my cpu and slowing down my gamez!?!" |
| 16:59.47 | fridgid | i love c2d but until more apps become threaded etc, i just don't think its worth it, unless youre encoding pr0nz or mp3s or something |
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| 17:00.24 | Neo|Other | or just use the computer for more than one thing at a time |
| 17:00.31 | Neo|Other | and a dual core is ALWAYS benefitial, period |
| 17:00.45 | fridgid | yes, but i think quad core is a waste atm |
| 17:00.47 | Neo|Other | quad core is probably a bit less so |
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| 17:01.00 | Neo|Other | but with the Core i7 it'll be sweet |
| 17:01.07 | fridgid | c2d is amazing for multitasking atm, but past that i think were not there yet, maybe in a few years |
| 17:01.08 | Xuerian | The Intel Core i7 processor brand logo will be available for high-performance desktop PCs in the fourth quarter. <-- Translation, $1k |
| 17:01.30 | Neo|Other | Xuerian: my next pc should be in the $2-2.5k budget, like my last one |
| 17:01.34 | Xuerian | I could build a entire gaming box for that >_< |
| 17:01.35 | fridgid | translation = cheaper c2ds |
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| 17:02.39 | Anaral | Gnarfoz: Thank you for suggesting using different puter. Pictures are not corrupt! |
| 17:03.04 | Anaral | Now to figure out why my disc drive sucks... |
| 17:03.28 | fridgid | Anaral, if your drive is broken, make one of those laser pointers out of it, you can pop ballons from like 100 ft away with them |
| 17:03.34 | Lopeppeppy | Did you restart said computer, perhaps the driver didn't load properly. |
| 17:03.35 | Xuerian | o.o |
| 17:03.59 | cbreak | don't toy around with DVD-R lasers. |
| 17:04.02 | cbreak | they are _dangerous_ |
| 17:04.15 | Xuerian | cbreak: Speaking from experience? :P |
| 17:04.19 | malreth | What they tell you: Free Chipotle burritos for UT staff. What they don't tell you: All burritos are being made half-size. |
| 17:04.20 | fridgid | we made one at work the other week, you just need the laser diode, a focusing lens (gatta buy that) and a minimag |
| 17:04.27 | cbreak | not personal. I've seen it on youtube if that counts though :) |
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| 17:04.42 | Anaral | I've rebooted a number of times since reformatting. I'll go see if there are any driver updates for it |
| 17:04.49 | Xuerian | so uh, cbreak, where do you think the people that make those videos come from? |
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| 17:05.08 | cbreak | from a place with terrible education I asume. |
| 17:05.13 | Neo|Other | Xuerian: and btw $1k for a cpu is highly unlikely unless it's the "extreme" editions |
| 17:05.17 | Xuerian | wroooooong :P |
| 17:05.27 | Xuerian | Bored geeks with spare parts |
| 17:05.44 | Xuerian | Unless you're talking alka-seltzer coke, and well, yeah, terrible education |
| 17:05.47 | fridgid | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep2q_4hZfVE > green laser version |
| 17:06.02 | Xuerian | Neo|Other: I'd doubt it'd get anywhere below 600$ for at least a couple price cycles |
| 17:06.07 | Anaral | It's the one hardware component I didn't have a recent driver on disc for. |
| 17:06.09 | cbreak | A DVD-R laser can melt your retina in less time than it takes your retina to notice that it should signal the eye lids to close |
| 17:06.09 | malreth | DVDs don't use green lasers |
| 17:06.23 | Xuerian | cbreak: Yet we still build flamethrowers |
| 17:06.30 | fridgid | yeah, the dvd-r version is red |
| 17:06.50 | cbreak | flame throwers are less dangerous |
| 17:06.58 | Xuerian | o_0 |
| 17:06.59 | Xuerian | ... |
| 17:07.12 | cbreak | fire is fairly slow, compared to light :) |
| 17:07.34 | malreth | ummm... |
| 17:07.37 | fridgid | i have a fiber optics laser from work i took out of a bad unit, not sure wtf im gonna do with it, and i haven;t played with it yet cuz the laser is invisible, but im sure you can make something neat out of it |
| 17:07.39 | malreth | everything is slow compared to light |
| 17:07.53 | malreth | hell, even light is slow compared to light |
| 17:07.58 | cladhaire | word! |
| 17:08.17 | Xuerian | cbreak: If we're talking eye damage, what do you think would happen if you pointed a flamethrower at your head? |
| 17:08.31 | fridgid | you'd close your eyelids and be ok. |
| 17:08.39 | cbreak | what would happen if you accidentialy point your flame thrower at a piece of glass? |
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| 17:08.51 | AckisWork | has anyone done a diff on enUS and enGB, and esES/esMX? |
| 17:09.05 | cbreak | the main danger of lasers isn't the potential damage |
| 17:09.05 | Xuerian | Depending on how fast the glass heated up, it could cause it to assplode and a shard could lodge in your eye :D |
| 17:09.09 | cbreak | it's the unpredictability |
| 17:09.22 | cbreak | if you get a stray reflection, you can still end up blind |
| 17:09.31 | malreth | AckisWork: you don't want to do that... all the variable names are localized so the diffs are hard to follow |
| 17:09.39 | Xuerian | the intarwebs r srys businss. |
| 17:10.02 | AckisWork | malreth: my question really is: what's the difference in the localization between the two |
| 17:10.19 | fridgid | cbreak, you're like an overprotective mother |
| 17:10.32 | cbreak | just because I am paranoid? |
| 17:10.38 | malreth | an overprotective mother with knowledge of lasers |
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| 17:10.44 | Cide | hot |
| 17:11.25 | Cide | lazors* a hole in it |
| 17:11.42 | fridgid | yeah, lazor as a verb sounds better |
| 17:11.52 | Shirik | Cide! |
| 17:11.56 | Shirik | I wanted to talk to you yesterday |
| 17:12.01 | Shirik | I forget why |
| 17:12.05 | Cide | well, that will be a bit difficult now! |
| 17:12.05 | Shirik | glad we had this talk |
| 17:12.05 | cbreak | I wonder who remembers the time when laser was an acronym. |
| 17:12.16 | Shirik | no Cide, we just need a new flux capacitor |
| 17:12.18 | fridgid | <---still knows the acronym |
| 17:12.22 | Cide | oh, right |
| 17:12.22 | malreth | cbreak: i remember the time |
| 17:12.25 | malreth | that time is now |
| 17:12.50 | fridgid | time for acronym nerdoff? |
| 17:13.04 | malreth | Light And Sound Extreme Righteousness |
| 17:13.20 | malreth | i love that laser sound... pew!!! |
| 17:13.33 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, we decided that you can't make a flux capacitor, remember? Unless you rename it. |
| 17:13.57 | Cide | megaflux capacitor. |
| 17:14.15 | AckisWork | gonna toss this into the channel here as well: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14781.0 http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14782.0 since diff people idle in diff channels |
| 17:14.55 | Cide | GameTooltip:ShowCompareItem()? |
| 17:14.59 | Cide | you missed a colon |
| 17:15.09 | Cide | and try GameTooltip:Show() as well |
| 17:15.26 | fridgid | "<Cide> you missed a colon" so many gay jokes, so little time |
| 17:16.13 | AckisWork | ty cide, didn't even notice about that colon |
| 17:16.24 | Cide | I must be awesome |
| 17:16.33 | Cide | recognizing it in about 200 ms |
| 17:16.43 | AckisWork | ahh it's an underscore |
| 17:16.44 | AckisWork | GameTooltip_ShowCompareItem() |
| 17:17.08 | Cide | why do you have that anyway |
| 17:17.16 | AckisWork | C&P from blizz code |
| 17:17.19 | Lyn_ | p3lim|afk, rude post against neal :P ... but you are right :) |
| 17:17.21 | Cide | great |
| 17:17.33 | AckisWork | I didn't care what it did, just wanted it to do the same thing |
| 17:17.36 | Cide | people who copy other code without even understanding it in the first place. |
| 17:17.40 | Cide | heartwarming. |
| 17:17.49 | Lopeppeppy | Soul scorching |
| 17:17.50 | malreth | CARGO CULT PROGRAMMER! |
| 17:18.03 | Cide | like I said, a GameTooltip:Show() can't hurt |
| 17:18.20 | Lyn_ | <Cide> people who copy other code without even understanding it in the first place. < huh? |
| 17:18.27 | Lyn_ | ah |
| 17:18.29 | Cide | yes, you. |
| 17:18.30 | AckisWork | I don't know it in depth :P I know what it does kind of :P but it wasn't my concern, I was just hooking the function to allow my new tabs to do the same thing that blizzard code does |
| 17:18.38 | Lyn_ | Cide, why me? |
| 17:18.47 | Cide | I felt like pointing fingers |
| 17:18.53 | AckisWork | point em at me :P |
| 17:18.55 | Lyn_ | *poke cide* :p |
| 17:19.02 | Lyn_ | I feel like poking |
| 17:19.05 | Cide | no, I point my head at you |
| 17:19.14 | Cide | and I think really loudly "explode!" |
| 17:19.53 | malreth | an elementary school teacher of mine told me when you point fingers, you have three more pointing right back at you |
| 17:19.57 | Cide | Shirik: figure out what you wanted yet? :P |
| 17:20.04 | Cide | oh, no. |
| 17:20.08 | Cide | I point the whole hand |
| 17:20.15 | malreth | Cide: that is smart |
| 17:20.40 | malreth | did you go to the same school that i did? |
| 17:20.53 | Cide | probably |
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| 17:24.36 | Cide | We need a special holiday to honor the countless kind souls with unsecured networks named 'linksys'. |
| 17:24.39 | Cide | ^ pure genius |
| 17:24.56 | cladhaire | So they released new PvP gear on the faction vendors, right? |
| 17:25.45 | Thrae | cladhaire: Yes, I hear the old stuff became blue. |
| 17:26.02 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 17:26.04 | cladhaire | any details on this? |
| 17:26.14 | Thrae | wotlk.wowhead.com probably has it up. |
| 17:26.27 | cladhaire | i'm asking in live |
| 17:26.40 | NightHawkAtWork | you mean the blue honor gear on rep vendors? |
| 17:26.43 | Thrae | Oh, right...then normal wowhead |
| 17:27.02 | cladhaire | NightHawkAtWork: I'm just looking for the best way for me to gear up for pvp |
| 17:27.07 | cladhaire | once i hit 70 |
| 17:27.25 | Thrae | You still don't have a character who's hit 70 yet? |
| 17:27.30 | cladhaire | ... |
| 17:27.32 | cladhaire | I have four actually |
| 17:27.34 | cladhaire | this will be my fifth |
| 17:27.41 | cladhaire | thanks ;-) |
| 17:27.43 | Thrae | Ah, I thought I found a brother in arms |
| 17:28.10 | cladhaire | heh |
| 17:28.23 | Thrae | Rabbitbunny: I've been playing since like patch 1.4 though ;) |
| 17:28.24 | NightHawkAtWork | Thrae: you should talk to ckknight, then i think. :P |
| 17:28.45 | Thrae | NightHawkAtWork: I fear anything I have in common with ckknight. |
| 17:28.48 | Rabbitbunny | Thrae: 1.7 here. |
| 17:29.01 | ckknight | I have a lvl 61 |
| 17:29.01 | Wobin | I don't know when I started =\ |
| 17:29.06 | NightHawkAtWork | cladhaire: yeah, if your rushing to 70, the blue pvp gear is probably decent. It requires honored I think |
| 17:29.12 | cladhaire | okay :P |
| 17:29.16 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 17:29.24 | cladhaire | just the major factions? |
| 17:29.24 | Wobin | when was 1.4? |
| 17:29.36 | Wobin | I think I recall 1.2 or something |
| 17:29.43 | Wobin | oh god, it's been so long |
| 17:29.47 | Rabbitbunny | lol |
| 17:29.54 | NightHawkAtWork | cladhaire: HH/Thrallmar, CE, KoT, Sha'Tar, and Lower City |
| 17:29.58 | cladhaire | great thanks! |
| 17:29.59 | Neo|Other | that was I recall 0.65 etc |
| 17:30.08 | NightHawkAtWork | possibly mag'har/kurenai, but i don't remember for sure. |
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| 17:31.08 | Vilkku | pfft, I need help finding a piece of wow fanart |
| 17:31.43 | Vilkku | I'm sure some of you has seen it, it has a tauren, troll, undead and I think a orc as well standing on a line |
| 17:31.48 | Vilkku | comic-style drawn |
| 17:31.50 | Vilkku | white background |
| 17:31.54 | Vilkku | tauren is holding a flower |
| 17:32.08 | Thrae | Rabbitbunny: On a Feral Druid, with these talents to pick from: http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Talents.View&category_select_id=8&build=1.7 |
| 17:32.41 | cladhaire | NightHawkAtWork: thanks a bunch! |
| 17:33.14 | NightHawkAtWork | cladhaire: np :) |
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| 17:35.39 | Wobin | Vilkku: is it ... funny? |
| 17:35.58 | Vilkku | Wobin, not sure if it can be classified funny... guess you can, more like cute |
| 17:37.04 | Vilkku | http://koti.mbnet.fi/vilkku88/images/applicationavatar.png that's the undead from the pic |
| 17:41.55 | Rabbitbunny | Thrae: Just delete the character and make a prot warrior |
| 17:42.31 | Thrae | Rabbitbunny: Pre-1.7, Prot Warriors still leveled up a hell of a lot faster then Druids. |
| 17:43.59 | cladhaire | pre-mangle :P |
| 17:44.09 | NightHawkAtWork | mmm... mangle.... *drool* |
| 17:44.26 | Duman | ahh yes, pre-1.6 paladins, *sigh* |
| 17:44.30 | Duman | ;-) |
| 17:44.31 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 17:44.33 | Xuerian | Haha, pre mangle? |
| 17:44.48 | Xuerian | Try pre-real-feral-spec |
| 17:45.12 | NightHawkAtWork | well, really it was more like pre-druids-as-anything-other-than-innervate-bots. |
| 17:45.19 | Xuerian | Mangle was a entirely separate bit of juicy druid lovin' |
| 17:45.23 | cladhaire | :P |
| 17:45.33 | Thrae | http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Talents.View&category_select_id=8&build=1.7 <-- patch 1.7 |
| 17:45.46 | Lunessa | Sweet, sweet, druid love. |
| 17:45.55 | Thrae | Mangle was TBC, patch 1.8 was Druid Love |
| 17:46.46 | Lunessa | I remember the first time I saw a druid who had taken Moonkin form as an option. I asked him "can you still cast heals in that form?" His answer, "Only if you count Moonfire as a heal." |
| 17:47.02 | Lopeppeppy | Nice answer. |
| 17:47.15 | Xuerian | Thrae: Lolpain |
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| 17:55.54 | Lunessa | ... http://www.gametrailers.com/player/38372.html?type=flv ... |
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| 17:58.15 | Xuerian | Lunessa: Needs moar divx streaming |
| 17:58.35 | Lunessa | Needs more skaven |
| 17:58.42 | Xuerian | who to the what now? >.> |
| 17:59.36 | Lunessa | http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/skaven/default.htm |
| 18:00.16 | NightHawkAtWork | heh.. i'm not a huge EA fan, but I gotta give them credit for this: http://mashable.com/2008/08/20/tiger-woods-walk-on-water/ |
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| 18:04.02 | Xuerian | NightHawkAtWork: Haha, +1 to them |
| 18:04.09 | Lunessa | Ok.. so they're taking all our systems off-line at 5, right 'case the building will be without power while new generators are installed. Classes start on Monday, and online access to distance ed stuff starts tomorrow. so why the HELL does the Oracle DB choose NOW to punk out? |
| 18:04.39 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: because orcale hates you, and wants to make your life miserable |
| 18:04.47 | Lunessa | I hate it too. |
| 18:04.56 | Seerah | NightHawkAtWork: thanks for that link :) |
| 18:05.13 | NightHawkAtWork | see! and you wonder why it's fucking with you. You just need to give it some good lovin', Lunessa |
| 18:06.12 | Lunessa | What, like the Robot villan dude on Aqua Teen Hunger Force? *thud*thud*thud* "You like that, don't you Oracle. Oh yeah. Who's your daddy?" |
| 18:06.26 | NightHawkAtWork | ... hey, whatever works for you. |
| 18:07.23 | Lopeppeppy | http://xkcd.com/215/ |
| 18:07.58 | cncfanatics | you don't choose the oracle DB Lunessa, the oracle DB chooses you |
| 18:08.38 | Lunessa | cncfanatics: What the Database said was for you, and you alone. |
| 18:09.19 | cncfanatics | Morpheus said you should go visit the oracle |
| 18:09.35 | cncfanatics | btw, is calderra down ? |
| 18:09.39 | NightHawkAtWork | Lopeppeppy: along the same lines.. :P http://xkcd.com/340/ |
| 18:12.51 | Neo|Other | bah my first druid was leveled pre-talents |
| 18:14.03 | Xuerian | Neo|Other: Same :p |
| 18:14.09 | Xuerian | was leveled feral too... |
| 18:15.24 | Thrae | http://i37.tinypic.com/2wnsp6w.jpg |
| 18:15.57 | Lopeppeppy | NightHawkTheSane, I like Wasteland too, I don't have a link handy... xkcd is awesome romance poetry. :) |
| 18:18.29 | Thrae | (digg comment) "I actually heard this in my science class 2 days ago. I ***** you not. We do this thing once a week called current events, well on this particular day we were discussing the tropical storm in Florida. I hear from the girl in front of me, "You know, we should be talking about how we just went to war with Russia." |
| 18:18.52 | cladhaire | lol |
| 18:20.45 | NightHawkAtWork | ah.. the future of humanity. |
| 18:21.01 | nevcairiel | definately not to be found in US schools |
| 18:21.07 | Lopeppeppy | Or the current gene pool. |
| 18:23.11 | Lunessa | I'd like to use the current gene pool some, then pour bleach in it. |
| 18:23.30 | Lopeppeppy | Bleach first. |
| 18:23.44 | Lunessa | No, I'd drink the bleach after. |
| 18:23.50 | Neuro_Medivh | you act like it's a good thing for 100% of the population to be super-educated and informed |
| 18:24.12 | Neuro_Medivh | screw that.. I *like* being in the top 5 percentile |
| 18:24.35 | Lopeppeppy | Only if I don't have to deal with the bottom 5% on a daily basis. Rejects. |
| 18:24.43 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: if only you were. ;) |
| 18:24.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, chilly |
| 18:24.56 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh I am... I most certainly am |
| 18:27.41 | Xuerian | Thrae: The young generation scares me. |
| 18:28.08 | Thunder_Child | thats ok Xuerian, you scare the young generation as well |
| 18:28.32 | NightHawkAtWork | god, i swear this code gives me a headache. It seriously checks if "totalDiscountAmount < 0" three times in 25 lines, despite the fact that the variable is never modified in those lines. |
| 18:28.52 | Lunessa | Heh... sounds like c/p code to me. |
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| 18:30.01 | Xuerian | NightHawkAtWork: Sounds like when people if/else five times, and else does exactly the same thing (A cheap operation) |
| 18:30.14 | NightHawkAtWork | partially, probably. also probably people not actually paying attention to what the rest of the code is doing when adding new things |
| 18:31.18 | Xuerian | NightHawkAtWork: Read -> Write -> Try vs Write -> Fail -> Read, ftw |
| 18:41.16 | Neo|Other | Xuerian: wondering how you can "level feral" when there are no talents... |
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| 18:47.13 | foxlit | "Fatal error: Call to undefined function imagecreatefromjpeg() " meh :( |
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| 18:49.16 | fridgid | fucking fail..... |
| 18:49.23 | fridgid | hit command q trying to test out the other characters |
| 18:51.09 | fridgid | erm wrong chat sorry >_< |
| 18:51.40 | Xuerian | Neo|Other: By staying in cat form :D |
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| 18:56.42 | Duman | boo, world server |
| 18:57.01 | foxlit | Personally, I /boo the inventory/database server |
| 18:57.07 | Duman | hehe |
| 18:57.14 | foxlit | World, for what it's worth, is actually doing its job |
| 18:57.41 | NightHawkAtWork | what, going down like a corner whore? :P |
| 18:58.00 | foxlit | I suspect that's actually it desyncing with the rest of the DB |
| 18:58.09 | foxlit | Since it behaves right up to the point of it going down |
| 18:58.26 | foxlit | so it drops everyone while it attempts to reestablish connections |
| 18:58.31 | Maldivia | the item server have been really laggy the last 1½ week or so |
| 18:59.47 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone know what the spell power cooef for healing spells is? |
| 18:59.59 | kd3 | I think it's in the 1.8 range |
| 19:00.13 | Duman | may likely depend on your class and the given spell |
| 19:00.15 | foxlit | It's meaningless, really |
| 19:00.21 | Maldivia | that's what a small sample set of healing touch told me aswell |
| 19:00.55 | foxlit | Since now you're dealing with base+spellPower*powerToHealing*spellCoeff, you have no way of telling powerTohealing and spellCoeff apart. |
| 19:01.02 | Maldivia | Duman: well, I'm assuming a fixed factor is applied together with casttime |
| 19:01.30 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: is there any reason to assume that they're not just one number anyway? |
| 19:02.02 | foxlit | NightHawkAtWork: tradition, but it might as well be pre-multiplied now. |
| 19:02.11 | Maldivia | foxlit: well, normal cast time cooef probably still applies |
| 19:02.33 | Maldivia | so flash heal would be 1.5/3.5 * 1.8 |
| 19:02.51 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: im just thinking they may have just changed the coefficiants diretly instead of adding a multiplier |
| 19:06.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Time to see what this Storm Peaks is all about |
| 19:07.15 | foxlit | Quest hub wise, it's broken |
| 19:07.16 | Lopeppeppy | Storms, is my guess. |
| 19:07.19 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 19:07.21 | foxlit | Scenery wise, it's damn awesome |
| 19:07.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Broken is not what I wanted to hear |
| 19:07.27 | NightHawkAtWork | possibly also peaks. |
| 19:07.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll probably just keep questing in the Tundra and then Zul'Drak then |
| 19:07.48 | foxlit | alliance camps lack NPCs on my last flyby; horde camps are a bit meh |
| 19:07.57 | foxlit | World map has trouble aligning shroud to actual map |
| 19:08.09 | foxlit | (peaks is 77-80) |
| 19:08.24 | NightHawkAtWork | your mom is 77. |
| 19:08.24 | foxlit | and you're questing in the tundra? |
| 19:08.36 | erikd | foxlit: i have that shroud problem with all the areas |
| 19:08.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I never did the Tundra |
| 19:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Nor Zul'Drak |
| 19:08.45 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: well if he started in the fjord.. |
| 19:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm about ~50% done with the Tundra, though |
| 19:08.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Which I did indeed do |
| 19:08.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Fjord is win |
| 19:09.12 | erikd | i'm probably about 75% done with fjord and 50% with tundra on my druid |
| 19:09.14 | foxlit | Meh, it seems too low-level to bother |
| 19:09.25 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: something to do, and xp is xp. |
| 19:13.41 | kd3 | gah. the XP exploit must be crashing it |
| 19:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 19:13.57 | foxlit | kd3 is 93. |
| 19:14.05 | Maldivia | there's an xp exploit now+ |
| 19:14.06 | kd3 | there's a quest in storm peaks were we're in a weapon that oneshots mobs... but the mobs give XP |
| 19:14.42 | ScytheBlade1 | If kd3 *was* 93 I wouldn't be too surprised |
| 19:15.05 | Maldivia | ok, was thinking of Dr. Boom :) |
| 19:15.22 | kd3 | pretty much the same thing |
| 19:16.24 | Lunessa | stupid oracle db... |
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| 19:28.35 | foxlit | Arthas model reject: http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/king.jpg |
| 19:28.58 | zenzelezz | looks like a troll |
| 19:29.41 | zenzelezz | reminds me of Ivan the Space Biker: http://irtehfunny.com/2007/11/08/ivan-the-space-biker/ |
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| 19:32.04 | foxlit | also fun: http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/keyhole.jpg |
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| 19:35.25 | Tem | kd3: please tell me people aren't 80 already because of that bug |
| 19:35.38 | kd3 | there are some 80s already |
| 19:35.40 | Vilkku | uh, what's up with SCT and the new beta build? |
| 19:37.28 | Pneumatus | people are exploiting the 1shotting siegemobile |
| 19:37.37 | zenzelezz | no wai! |
| 19:39.16 | Duman | kd3: great |
| 19:39.29 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/funny-pictures-grandmother-cat-asks-you-for-bourbon.jpg |
| 19:39.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm... how high is "too high"? |
| 19:39.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm flying over the cliffs now and haven't been shot down.. |
| 19:39.59 | Lopeppeppy | 5 miles |
| 19:40.05 | kd3 | dunno. people in /1 have been talking about getting shot down |
| 19:40.13 | kd3 | I haven't had it happen, though |
| 19:40.18 | ckknight | lol, Lunessa |
| 19:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 19:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Loken's Bargain eh |
| 19:41.33 | kd3 | I felt like I was in one of the guilty spark levels of halo in that area |
| 19:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Seriously.. |
| 19:42.31 | Pneumatus | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10533-Huggie.html |
| 19:42.49 | Pneumatus | am i imaginging things, or wouldnt it be easier to just have a /hug macro, and bind it |
| 19:43.17 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, wow |
| 19:43.21 | ScytheBlade1 | This is impressive |
| 19:43.47 | Pneumatus | it doesnt even /targetlasttarget |
| 19:44.48 | Pneumatus | i wonder if you can /hug [dead,harm] |
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| 19:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Tons of titan lore here it seems |
| 19:46.18 | kd3 | go fly up to the makers' terrace and ulduar |
| 19:46.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Roughly where? |
| 19:46.42 | kd3 | north |
| 19:47.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, that giant area I just took several screenshots of |
| 19:47.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh nice |
| 19:47.33 | ScytheBlade1 | 048a4000-0wine: Assertion failed at address 0xffffe425 (thread 0025), starting debugger... |
| 19:49.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. Temple of Wisdom is lacking wisdom, I see |
| 19:50.55 | Sixen | (12:35:38 PM) kd3: there are some 80s already |
| 19:50.55 | Sixen | ... |
| 19:51.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a sploit of sorts |
| 19:51.19 | Sixen | Yeah, that's stupid as hell. |
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| 19:52.21 | foxlit | Can't bind things to macros in the default UI |
| 19:52.29 | foxlit | weeee, scrollback |
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| 20:07.47 | Lunessa | ... *cry* I'm going to take days to get to 80 at this point. |
| 20:07.48 | Xuerian | foxlit: Srsly, wow needs spellbinder built in |
| 20:07.56 | Xuerian | Lunessa: From what? |
| 20:08.19 | Lunessa | My shaman is at 77, but my play time = short. |
| 20:08.24 | Xuerian | foxlit: Also, despite your explained options/profiles issues, OP + BF = Win. |
| 20:08.40 | Xuerian | foxlit: Well, that and the transparency anim bug |
| 20:09.04 | Xuerian | Lunessa: Heh.. yay for millions of xp required to level? |
| 20:09.04 | foxlit | You know, the transparency animation isn't actually supported and is scheduled for demolition :) |
| 20:09.11 | Xuerian | foxlit: NUUUU |
| 20:09.30 | foxlit | The general idea was that if the sky was to rain fire as I released 0.10, I could use it as a fallback. |
| 20:09.37 | Lunessa | Xuerian: Naw, boo for 6-day work weeks and an hour+ commute |
| 20:09.38 | Xuerian | foxlit: But it's nice and sexy, and not as intrusive as the pretty but annoying scale one :( |
| 20:10.06 | foxlit | Tweak http://www.go-hero.net/opie/api/MIOptions and see if it's still annoying :) |
| 20:10.48 | foxlit | ultimately, though, transparency fails in conjunction with BF -- original icon shows through the BF skin textures |
| 20:11.21 | Xuerian | foxlit: You know what would be awesome? A MIAlpha option that instead of applied a whole different animation set, simply allowed you to set the alpha of icons that are (opposite selected slice/no slice selected) |
| 20:11.37 | Sixen | wb Cairenn |
| 20:11.37 | Xuerian | foxlit: With some skins (See: Simplesquare), it looks just fine |
| 20:11.51 | foxlit | as long as they do not visibly try to alter the border :) |
| 20:11.52 | Cairenn | thanks Sixen :) |
| 20:11.55 | Sixen | =] |
| 20:12.55 | Xuerian | foxlit: Which is why the optional MIAlpha option would work well +). Default it to off, but if the user has a skin that isn't a reshape-skin, they can enable it :p |
| 20:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cairenn! |
| 20:13.38 | Xuerian | foxlit: The Disjoint option already affects scale/position based on distance from selected slice, how much extra work is it to apply a similar algorithm to alpha in the same stroke? |
| 20:13.44 | Cairenn | morning Lopeppeppy :) |
| 20:14.04 | foxlit | Xuerian: actually, none. |
| 20:14.10 | Xuerian | So? o.0 |
| 20:14.15 | foxlit | It works already if you toggle that |
| 20:14.35 | foxlit | It's more that the MIAlpha alternate path is a heck of an eyesore in the middle of that animation code. |
| 20:15.22 | foxlit | I should probably just let you plug an animator into that update call. |
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| 20:15.36 | Xuerian | foxlit: Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.. You can already do what I'm describing without the current MIAlpha being used? |
| 20:15.51 | foxlit | Not quite. |
| 20:16.01 | foxlit | MIDisjoint already applies to both animations |
| 20:16.46 | Lopeppeppy | I need to start a wiki for my copy editing style guide. Ooofs. |
| 20:17.03 | Lunessa | Hah... DBAs finally said "fuck it" and are taking Oracle offline an hour and a half early. |
| 20:17.10 | foxlit | Hey, feel free to ask |
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| 20:17.20 | foxlit | It gives me something to do while crafting 20 adamanatite bars on beta servers |
| 20:17.24 | foxlit | projected completion: tomorrow. |
| 20:18.00 | NightHawkAtWork | thats only a lot because beta crashes every other bar. ;) |
| 20:18.19 | foxlit | It's actually stable |
| 20:18.20 | Rabbitbunny | umm.. what the heck. the beta installer says I need 3.7gb free, I have .79gb free, it's crying about space. |
| 20:18.22 | foxlit | It just doesn't craft |
| 20:18.34 | Lunessa | foxlit: you need amadmantite? I has 3 stacks of ore and no call for it. |
| 20:18.40 | Neo|Other | Rabbitbunny: but... .79 is less than 3.7! |
| 20:18.54 | kd3 | whop, found the AA turrets |
| 20:18.56 | Rabbitbunny | err, 7.3; 7.9 |
| 20:18.59 | foxlit | Lunessa: Let's see if I win the skill-up lottery. |
| 20:19.14 | foxlit | With any luck, I can hit 350 with what I've got, and from there on it's Cobalt, thankfully |
| 20:19.22 | Lunessa | *nod* I need more titanium and soranite. |
| 20:19.36 | foxlit | I haven't seen an ounce of titanium :( |
| 20:19.43 | Lunessa | 448/450 blacksmithing |
| 20:20.06 | Lunessa | You can't mine it until 450 mining and it's as rare as khorium |
| 20:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | Lovely. |
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| 20:20.33 | foxlit | Haven't even seen the nodes, though |
| 20:20.39 | foxlit | Where've they been hiding those? |
| 20:20.49 | Lunessa | foxlit: SHOLAZAR BASIN |
| 20:20.55 | Lunessa | caps |
| 20:20.59 | foxlit | aha |
| 20:21.06 | foxlit | I should quest there, I suppose |
| 20:21.12 | Lunessa | I've lived in that zone for 5 days of my play time. |
| 20:21.15 | foxlit | Ran out of Zul'Drak solo/decent stuff |
| 20:21.22 | Lunessa | I know where every damned ore node is. |
| 20:21.57 | Xuerian | foxlit: What effect DOES MIDisjoint have, exactly.. |
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| 20:22.28 | foxlit | Xuerian: set XTPointerSpeed to -2, and toggle MIDisjoint, it makes things fairly obvious :) |
| 20:22.44 | foxlit | I was actually beginning to wonder whether the code ate you yet. |
| 20:23.11 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, I'm off for the weekend to a nice vacation. Y'all stay good, see you Sunday!! |
| 20:23.19 | malreth | bye bye Lopeppeppy |
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| 20:24.23 | foxlit | The difference is that I can base the grow/shrink/alpha animation based on two different angles: where the animated spinning pointer is pointing now (false), or where your mouse cursor is now (true) |
| 20:24.25 | Xuerian | foxlit: Well, I see the self.angle vs angle (I'm assuming current angle vs current progress angle of animation?), but my visualization of geometry isn't that great >.> |
| 20:25.10 | foxlit | Ah, my brilliant variable naming scheme :) |
| 20:25.27 | foxlit | You're assuming correctly |
| 20:25.54 | foxlit | (the descriptions are reversed, however - angle is current, and self.angle can potentially lag behind) |
| 20:26.06 | Xuerian | Neh, not reversed, just obscure |
| 20:26.52 | Xuerian | That's what I meant :p. Anyway, now that I properly changed the options, yes, I see what disjoint does. What objection do you have to simply adding MIAlpha as another step in the animation instead of a entirely different animation? |
| 20:27.16 | foxlit | It breaks the gears skin |
| 20:28.36 | foxlit | So it'd have to be toggled on/off anyway. Growing and fading seems like too much animation. |
| 20:29.05 | foxlit | (at the same time) |
| 20:29.17 | Xuerian | Ahh, perhaps I should rephrase; What about making them non-mutually-exclusive? Allowing one (or both, if someone really wanted to) be used? |
| 20:29.35 | Xuerian | Or are you more just in favor of suppling a hook like you suggested earlier? |
| 20:30.46 | alestane | <3 Gnomish Army Knife |
| 20:31.40 | foxlit | Library clutter, really :) |
| 20:32.00 | foxlit | The shorter that thing is, the better, really. |
| 20:33.45 | foxlit | Providing too many options is also a sin -- I don't really want to lose people in seventeen pages of sliders, buttons and checkboxes they'd have to get through to configure it to their liking |
| 20:33.50 | Lukian | alestane, me too :D |
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| 20:36.23 | Lunessa | alestane: my engineer says "DO WANT" |
| 20:36.54 | alestane | I might actually have someone who can actually start a campfire at a moment's notice. |
| 20:42.02 | Lunessa | A document of interesting reading: http://www.iriel.org/wow/docs/SecureHeadersGuide%20-%20draft7.pdf - thanks Iriel for posting it. |
| 20:42.16 | Bouvi | I so can't draw.. But meet Chuck. http://www.bouvi.com/sigs/Chuck1.jpg http://www.bouvi.com/sigs/Chuck2.jpg http://www.bouvi.com/sigs/Chuck3.jpg |
| 20:43.35 | foxlit | can we kill it? please? :) |
| 20:43.42 | Bouvi | LOL |
| 20:43.52 | Cairenn | Bouvi: lol |
| 20:44.21 | ckknight | Lunessa: coolness, much love to Iriel and alestane |
| 20:44.54 | Tem | ~impatience |
| 20:44.55 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:44.56 | Tem | ~laziness |
| 20:44.57 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:44.58 | Tem | ~hubris |
| 20:44.59 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:45.01 | Bouvi | If I could draw, I would be a god... Not the god, just a god. |
| 20:45.02 | Tem | ~fear of complexity |
| 20:45.03 | purl | FEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:45.23 | foxlit | Needs a "WARNING: Getting AddOns will not stop you from being clueless. Get a proper clue." tag atached to it :) |
| 20:45.56 | ckknight | Tem: are there more than 4? |
| 20:46.10 | Tem | technically, there are only 3 |
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| 20:46.15 | NightHawkAtWork | http://www.hemmy.net/2008/08/11/lego-sushi-sculptures/ |
| 20:46.21 | Tem | the 4th was added by.... erm.... I can't remember |
| 20:46.36 | Bouvi | LOL foxlit |
| 20:47.30 | Bouvi | Or... There were no Gnomes harmed in the creation of this comic... Because they all kicked my ASS!!!! |
| 20:49.05 | Lunessa | NightHawkAtWork: Thanks. As if weren't hungry rnough. |
| 20:49.27 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: :D so hungry you could eat the lego, eh? |
| 20:49.45 | Lunessa | Close enough.... mmmm.. nigiri... |
| 20:50.05 | NightHawkAtWork | you need to seriously bring more food or go buy food or something. you're -always- hungry this time of day |
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| 20:53.42 | Lunessa | I've been here since 7:30, trying to beat the shut downs by finishing a ton of work. I'm leaving soon. |
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| 20:57.40 | Lunessa | SecureHandlerDoubleClickTemplate - am I mistaken, or will this be new functionality? |
| 20:58.06 | Tem | new |
| 20:58.13 | Lunessa | Rather, this template is new, but is there no analog in the current live client? |
| 20:58.19 | Tem | yes |
| 20:58.43 | Drundia | ~factinfo fear of complexity |
| 20:58.43 | purl | fear of complexity -- last modified at Tue Dec 13 03:08:43 2005 by kergoth!n=kergoth@c-24-118-219-25.hsd1.mn.comcast.net; it has been requested 16 times, last by Tem, 13m 40s ago. |
| 20:58.55 | Lunessa | *nod* This is good. It means someone could use double-click for actionbar buttons. |
| 21:00.42 | foxlit | I'm lost at what to do with it, really :) |
| 21:01.27 | Lunessa | "I want a button which when clicked means I stealth, but if I double-click I evscerate." |
| 21:01.43 | Lunessa | Or any number of other similar requests. |
| 21:02.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me it may not be that simple, but I guess a RTFS would be in order before I can say that |
| 21:02.04 | alestane | Lunessa: Yes, we were asked to provide some measure of support for Double Clicks. I don't think our current setup enables double-click actions, though, since SecureActionButtonTemplate still doesn't use it. |
| 21:02.14 | Drundia | dismount in flying only on double-click |
| 21:02.21 | Lunessa | alestane: *nod* |
| 21:02.23 | foxlit | Yeah, but what could you do while inheriting from it? |
| 21:02.48 | foxlit | You can't actually perform any actions yourself, nor could you inherit from SAB at the same time |
| 21:02.50 | Drundia | alestane, will it work for double hotkey press? |
| 21:03.28 | alestane | Drundia: I have no idea how SetBindingClick works with RegisteForDoubleClicks. |
| 21:04.17 | Drundia | double-click is new internal implementation? i thought it would be like checking when previous click occured |
| 21:04.31 | alestane | Or :Click for that matter. But the way the stock ActionButton bindings work right now does not support it, I can tell you that much. |
| 21:05.15 | Drundia | you can trick a bit of secure state header for that |
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| 21:06.52 | cladhaire | just keeding! |
| 21:06.54 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o Ktron|food] by cladhaire |
| 21:07.14 | Ktron|food | cladhaire giveth and he taketh away. |
| 21:07.41 | alestane | But what a double-click can do is, say, open a menu. |
| 21:08.00 | cladhaire | I've already asked for DOubleClick support for SABs |
| 21:10.25 | Drundia | but you can use secure state header for that as it is |
| 21:12.07 | foxlit | on live? No. |
| 21:13.05 | clad|sleep | I need it for click-casting |
| 21:13.15 | clad|sleep | and I can't do that with the system as it stands |
| 21:13.22 | clad|sleep | so, my requests still stands :P |
| 21:14.11 | Lunessa | .... mouseover targeting as a clicker... *headdesk* |
| 21:14.28 | Xuerian | Lunessa: lol >_< |
| 21:14.54 | Lunessa | A guy wanted to use [btn: ] conditionals for his mouseover macro. |
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| 21:15.16 | Lunessa | People Unclear on the Concept. |
| 21:16.17 | Xuerian | Haha, "At best, cryptic"... awesome, iriel, awesome |
| 21:16.29 | Drundia | how comes you can't? |
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| 21:16.41 | Drundia | first click = change state and make change back in half-second or so |
| 21:17.00 | Drundia | during that alternative state clicks do double-click action |
| 21:17.08 | Drundia | during original state do single-click action or nothing |
| 21:17.34 | Drundia | (whichever you prefer) |
| 21:17.55 | foxlit | See, you can't handle single clicks properly |
| 21:18.21 | foxlit | You either get to do whatever your single-click action is while double-clicking |
| 21:18.28 | foxlit | Or you can't do your single-click action at all |
| 21:19.06 | Drundia | so you want to do single-click action only if second one doesn't happen? |
| 21:19.40 | foxlit | You want the obvious behavior to work when you've bound actions to both double and single clicks |
| 21:21.17 | foxlit | The obvious behavior is, quite simply, "perform single-click action when I click once; perform double-click action when I click twice. Do not perform single-click action if I click twice." |
| 21:21.59 | Drundia | how often do you see such behavior in computers? |
| 21:22.11 | Kaso|iPod | that's not too hard with a bit of onupdating is it? with a slight delay on single click action? |
| 21:22.33 | Drundia | no you can't do it if action is protected |
| 21:22.47 | foxlit | Drundia: all the time |
| 21:22.48 | ScytheBlade1 | The problem I'm seeing here is executing somthing on a slight delay, which is what single-click would be forced to do |
| 21:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure you can do it if you can write non-tainted code, but uh, a delay on all of the custom action bars would not be cool |
| 21:23.08 | foxlit | Open Finder/Explorer/what have you, and click/double click on a folder |
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| 21:25.03 | Kaso|iPod | how do normal uis do clicking, isn't windows forced to have wait on single click ? |
| 21:25.44 | Maldivia | hmm, CancelUnitBuff being protected really annoys me |
| 21:25.55 | foxlit | haha |
| 21:25.57 | Xuerian | Kaso|iPod: It's not forced to wait, but it's not secure code either |
| 21:25.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: it's protected now? |
| 21:26.00 | foxlit | So they did kill those conditional macros |
| 21:26.25 | Kaso|iPod | It was unprotected far too long ;) |
| 21:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | NOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 21:26.36 | ScytheBlade1 | RIP GnomeWatcher |
| 21:26.40 | Maldivia | SB1: yeah - and cancelaura secure action added |
| 21:26.44 | Duman | sigh |
| 21:26.50 | Duman | northrend is making me sad |
| 21:26.50 | ScytheBlade1 | (Small addon that cancels Misdirect whenever it was cast on me....) |
| 21:26.53 | foxlit | It's just slightly nasty |
| 21:26.57 | Drundia | foxlit, in the mentioned programs, when you click first time, they do single-click action |
| 21:27.04 | Maldivia | SB1: But I'm still trying to find a way to be able to create secure frames in combat, to show new buffs |
| 21:27.12 | foxlit | Maldivia: create them all |
| 21:27.14 | Duman | hm |
| 21:27.15 | Duman | m |
| 21:27.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I haven't played with any of the new secure stuff yet... though to be honest I didn't play with any of the current/old secure stuff either :D |
| 21:27.33 | NightHawkAtWork | ScytheBlade1: .. there goes freeme too... (cancels salv..) |
| 21:27.34 | Kaso|iPod | why cancel it? what's the purpose |
| 21:27.44 | Maldivia | foxlit: and show thme all aswell? |
| 21:27.52 | Duman | cancel salv? |
| 21:27.58 | Kaso|iPod | misdirect |
| 21:28.00 | Duman | you realize there is no BoSalv any more |
| 21:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaso|iPod: to keep hunters from misdirecting raid trash to me, as a mage :) |
| 21:28.02 | NightHawkAtWork | Kaso|iPod: i'm going to guess ScytheBlade1 is not a tank, does not want MD on him :P |
| 21:28.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 21:28.14 | Kaso|iPod | lol |
| 21:28.27 | NightHawkAtWork | Duman: hand of salv still, though |
| 21:28.28 | Kaso|iPod | evil hunters |
| 21:28.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Truth |
| 21:28.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence my "NOOOOOOOOOO" "RIP GnomeWatcher" statements |
| 21:28.43 | Duman | heh |
| 21:29.04 | NightHawkAtWork | it also cancelled nether prot for warlocks, as well, but i never needed that. |
| 21:29.09 | Maldivia | foxlit: unless there's some way to listen to aura changes and modify secure frames, then how am I to do this? |
| 21:29.47 | foxlit | I'm sure someone will be along shortly to provide you with some RegisterAuraWatch() api :) |
| 21:30.11 | Maldivia | foxlit: problem is, allowing that can be very nasty :) |
| 21:30.20 | Kaso|iPod | cair, blizz sure aren't making your life easy |
| 21:30.21 | foxlit | I don't see how |
| 21:30.55 | Neo|Other | Cairenn: out of curiosity how long with that author program be active? |
| 21:31.07 | Cairenn | the keys for authors? |
| 21:31.18 | Neo|Other | yeah |
| 21:31.21 | Cairenn | until Blizz tells me "stop" |
| 21:31.38 | Neo|Other | a friend is contemplating becoming and author and even has an addon idea for something she needs |
| 21:31.50 | Lunessa | Every time I see a beta tester ask for QuestHelper, I want to commit homicide. |
| 21:32.04 | Kaso|iPod | lol |
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| 21:32.21 | Neo|Other | back in my days, in the original WoW beta, we had to rely on Thottbot! |
| 21:32.25 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:32.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Isn't QuestHelper mostly dead? |
| 21:32.35 | Neo|Other | we none of them fancy questhelper or tourguide addons! |
| 21:33.03 | Lunessa | The authors of the AddOn have long since quit playing WoW. |
| 21:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, and it's in "keep it from dying!" mode as per others |
| 21:33.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me it'll die for good come Wrath, but I dunno |
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| 21:34.14 | Anaral | I want Wobin to fix XParky. |
| 21:34.23 | Lunessa | Me too. |
| 21:34.35 | Cairenn | http://content9.flixster.com/photo/11/09/29/11092943_gal.jpg <== so wrong |
| 21:34.37 | Lunessa | But he never does. QQ |
| 21:35.09 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Com'on... you know you would have dated guys like that in high school... :P |
| 21:35.11 | Anaral | I had it working before I reformatted... and now, no matter which copy I try to use it won't work on both live and beta. |
| 21:35.32 | Lunessa | I use the version on WoWI for live. |
| 21:35.34 | Cairenn | puleeze, I so wouldn't have |
| 21:36.00 | Lunessa | Not even the ring-leader?? I mean he obviously has the power to cloud minds... |
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| 21:36.22 | cncfanatics | ~seen Wraithan |
| 21:36.26 | purl | wraithan is currently on #wowace (1d 5h 6m 16s), last said: 'ah'. |
| 21:36.26 | Cairenn | not even |
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| 21:37.30 | foxlit | wtb wdn udpate! |
| 21:37.35 | foxlit | s/dp/pd/ |
| 21:39.41 | Anaral | Um, why is Prat-3.0 broke? Over half the options are grayed out... |
| 21:40.46 | Drundia | foxlit, actually the interesting part, small html+js test in firefox shows that on double click both clicks trigger OnClick and second triggers OnDblClick. IE doesn't execute OnClick for second click |
| 21:40.57 | Drundia | and all programs i know work like that |
| 21:41.21 | Drundia | it's just that single-click action might often be irrelevant in case of double-click |
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| 21:44.12 | foxlit | "Drundia: and all programs i know work like that" << too easy |
| 21:45.20 | Drundia | ok too easy indeed |
| 21:46.04 | Drundia | perhaps i'm not using enough programs, but i have yet to notice that on first click it waits for possible second click before doing what it should on single-click according to specification |
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| 21:52.47 | foxlit | head:WrapScript(btn, "OnClick", "print('foo')", 'print("bar");'); -- no bar :( |
| 21:52.53 | Xuerian | foxlit: I HAS IT |
| 21:53.12 | foxlit | YOU STOLE MY PRECIOUS?! :) |
| 21:53.19 | Xuerian | foxlit: OR_MultiIndicators[i]:SetAlpha(max(.25, 1-adiff/180)) |
| 21:53.30 | Xuerian | so boody simple |
| 21:53.32 | Xuerian | bloody, even |
| 21:54.00 | foxlit | Found it? |
| 21:54.42 | foxlit | Or did you mean that's why it jumps? |
| 21:55.05 | Xuerian | No, I'm saying that's all I want done... well, it doesn't count deadzone -> selected or selected -> deadzone fading, but it's that simple |
| 21:55.16 | Xuerian | done/option for |
| 21:56.28 | foxlit | In that case, I'm inclined to tell you that you're missing out on a pony :) |
| 21:56.37 | Xuerian | nuh >_> |
| 21:57.55 | Xuerian | What do you mean, though? You're pondering something even better? |
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| 21:58.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Oy |
| 21:59.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Checking GPG signatures on ~400MB of files on a compact flash card + 133MHz CPU |
| 21:59.23 | ScytheBlade1 | This could take a *bit* |
| 21:59.47 | Malfean | Got a year? |
| 22:00.04 | foxlit | Nah, I'm just trollling by suggesting you append "a pony" to the list of things you want :) |
| 22:00.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Give or take... and this is my router, here's hoping I don't lag terribly while it happens :) |
| 22:00.36 | cog|work | W |
| 22:00.37 | cog|work | T |
| 22:00.37 | cog|work | F |
| 22:00.40 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023608458 |
| 22:00.58 | Xuerian | foxlit: But, but, but, it's just one line in the main onupdate! :( |
| 22:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that the predictable loot "sploit"? |
| 22:01.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, no |
| 22:01.28 | ScytheBlade1 | But irl lol, hahahahha |
| 22:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "And umm completely unrelated" |
| 22:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Riiiiiiiiiight |
| 22:01.50 | Malfean | Wow, that is pure gold. |
| 22:02.01 | Malfean | "So, uh, can you guys help me make a mod that will scam you guys?" |
| 22:02.24 | NightHawkAtWork | I like the part where he doesn't try to cleverly cover up what he's doing, and just admits it |
| 22:02.49 | malreth | i admire that kind of moxy |
| 22:02.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, same |
| 22:02.56 | Xuerian | Haha, good troll is good |
| 22:03.09 | Drundia | i personally think it would be a great addon |
| 22:03.12 | cog|work | malreth: i was about to write "i wonder if it's just malreth trolling us" |
| 22:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I do too - except for the part where it's protected |
| 22:03.23 | malreth | the sig would give me away |
| 22:03.36 | cog|work | malreth: checkbox fixes that :P |
| 22:03.38 | NightHawkAtWork | you can hide your sig on a per message basis |
| 22:03.47 | malreth | o rly? |
| 22:03.50 | ScytheBlade1 | yarly |
| 22:03.57 | NightHawkAtWork | like 105% of forums have that option |
| 22:04.01 | cog|work | nice feigned ignorance there ;) |
| 22:04.08 | malreth | oh lookit that |
| 22:04.23 | NightHawkAtWork | so, now we KNOW it's malreth trolling, because he's probably not THIS stupid. ;) |
| 22:05.01 | foxlit | Xuerian: it'll end up being more, inevitably :) |
| 22:05.19 | Xuerian | foxlit: nrgalskdjarowertitties |
| 22:05.21 | malreth | i don't have the attention span to keep that up for two days like that---OOH LOOKIT BIRDS!@!@# |
| 22:05.27 | foxlit | But I'm all for some version of |
| 22:05.39 | Xuerian | yay ^_^ |
| 22:05.52 | foxlit | OneRingLib:SetMIAnimator("self:SetAlpha(blah blah blah);") |
| 22:06.45 | malreth | it's go home time |
| 22:06.48 | malreth | later |
| 22:06.58 | foxlit | (http://i-want-a-pony.com/ is depressing) |
| 22:07.24 | ScytheBlade1 | haha @ xhtml/css stickers |
| 22:07.44 | foxlit | ~framexml |
| 22:07.44 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 22:07.50 | Anaral | Is there an ingame way to make tooltip font larger without an addon? |
| 22:09.32 | Drundia | you can use /script GameTooltip:SetScale(1.25) |
| 22:09.45 | Drundia | or some different number, default=1 |
| 22:09.54 | Drundia | actually meaning normal=1 |
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| 22:10.22 | Malfean | Hrm. Do you need to register the addon_loaded event to create a slash command? |
| 22:10.46 | alestane | No. |
| 22:10.48 | foxlit | no |
| 22:11.30 | Malfean | Didn't think so. I'm trying to add a slash command to a mod I've written, but all I get is type /help blah blah blah when I try to use it |
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| 22:12.42 | Drundia | you might be doing something wrong |
| 22:12.50 | Malfean | REZ_ANN_CHAT_TOGGLE = "/rezann"; |
| 22:12.50 | Malfean | SlashCmdList["REZ_ANN_CHAT_TOGGLE"] = RezAnnChatToggle; |
| 22:12.55 | ScytheBlade1 | So I /join #debian (mistake #1) |
| 22:12.58 | Malfean | Is what I have in my onload function |
| 22:13.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I ask how to disable GPG checking on packages (mistake #2) |
| 22:13.11 | Drundia | make it SLASH_REZ_ANN_CHAT_TOGGLE1 = "/rezann"; |
| 22:13.12 | Hirsute | <--Keeps wanting to build an addon that would allow on-the-fly creation of custom emotes (user would type /addemote foo notarget target and a new slash command, /foo would get added that emotes one of two messages depending on if there's a target). |
| 22:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I tell them that it's an embedded board... (mistake #3) |
| 22:13.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Still no answer :( |
| 22:13.23 | Hirsute | Then I decide I'm too new to this to really figure out how to do that. |
| 22:14.04 | Malfean | I think the user would have to do a console reloadui every time they created a custom emote for the new slash command to work |
| 22:14.56 | Hirsute | Aaah, good to know. Gives me another reason not to do it. |
| 22:15.16 | Malfean | Aha, thanks drundia. Let me give that a try. |
| 22:15.34 | Drundia | no, you can add slash commands at any time really |
| 22:16.08 | Malfean | Can you? I thought those has to be loaded in an onload |
| 22:16.23 | Malfean | Or is that just common practice? |
| 22:16.33 | NightHawkAtWork | you can do them anywhere, anytime, i'd imagine. the game just looks at the SlashCmdList table anyway |
| 22:16.41 | Malfean | Ah |
| 22:17.01 | NightHawkAtWork | most people do them in onload or somewhere equally early, as it's convenient. |
| 22:17.23 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023660055&sid=1 |
| 22:17.33 | Hirsute | Huh. It's an interesting concept for me, thinking about being able to type /dummy and have "Hirsute shakes his head at %t. Dummy...", and I figured if I could figure out how to do that, it would be a fun addon to have. |
| 22:17.49 | NightHawkAtWork | Hirsute: theoreticaly, that's probably pretty easy to do |
| 22:18.18 | Hirsute | NightHawkAtWork: I might have to really look into it one of these days. |
| 22:18.24 | NightHawkAtWork | although you might have to get creative with some parts to be able to add new ones dynamically in game |
| 22:19.09 | foxlit | It'll be gibberish for cross-raction players, but I suppose that's what you'd end up with by using /me anyway |
| 22:19.19 | NightHawkAtWork | Although that seems more or less what AceConsole does, so sure why not. |
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| 22:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | And now to verify 95MB of packages :( |
| 22:19.54 | Lunessa | "The overall goal is that you should want to bring raiders because they are your friends or because they are very good players, not because their buff is so awesome that you can't live without it." ~Ghostcrawler |
| 22:19.58 | cog|work | foxlit: for why? |
| 22:20.02 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: he more or less wants to macro various defined /me's, and you could toss in gender correctness as well |
| 22:20.31 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.33 | foxlit | NightHawkAtWork: I get that, just pointing out that opposite faction won't see them :) |
| 22:20.44 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: ah, yeah, i assumed that obvious |
| 22:21.04 | foxlit | cog|work: the trick is that weapon swaps only cause the global cooldown, but aren't on it themselves |
| 22:21.21 | Drundia | it would be cool if we has special /me that could send special message to target |
| 22:21.26 | cog|work | foxlit: is form switching on the GCD though? |
| 22:21.35 | foxlit | Yes |
| 22:21.40 | cog|work | that was my point |
| 22:21.41 | Hirsute | Yeah, it's mostly because I occasionally find myself wanting an emote I don't have , and I'm too lazy to type out a /me blah blah blah |
| 22:21.44 | foxlit | But timing is very weird in general |
| 22:21.52 | foxlit | So while you're correct in saying that /equip /cast won't work |
| 22:21.55 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.59 | cog|work | nope |
| 22:22.13 | cog|work | because teh equipment won't be equipped until after the macro runs |
| 22:22.27 | foxlit | I appreciate your theoretical insight into this |
| 22:22.28 | cog|work | so actually i didn't even need to mention the GCD |
| 22:22.41 | foxlit | But I have actual working code on live working to abuse that :) |
| 22:23.02 | cog|work | they must've changed something then :P |
| 22:23.16 | foxlit | In particular, my evil plan: |
| 22:23.44 | foxlit | /cast Moonfire /equip Idol -- then, through an addon, equip another idol while still recovering from moonfire GCD. |
| 22:24.13 | foxlit | Idol procs on moonfire, so it's not nearly as atomic as you might think. |
| 22:24.37 | ScytheBlade1 | boo, I was reading this raidID drama thread on some realm forum when it got deleted :( |
| 22:24.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Right before I got to the good stuff :( |
| 22:25.42 | Lunessa | haha... like the curtain came down before her top came off? :P |
| 22:25.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 22:26.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Almost, this is (was) some pretty awesome stuff to read |
| 22:26.18 | Tem|Work | Kaso|iPodwhile that feature is awesome, it's 100% impractical because the app can't idle |
| 22:26.35 | cog|work | Lunessa: Woot! I have 2 votes now! |
| 22:26.36 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023730982&sid=2000 |
| 22:26.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Guild A stole guild B's raid ID, glaive dropped - build B petitioned |
| 22:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Guild A had the raid ID removed, the glaive removed, and bans all around |
| 22:27.01 | Lunessa | cog|work: Woot. We need to get some stickers and a website up. |
| 22:27.20 | jaxdahl | i hate it when people call 72 hour suspensions bans |
| 22:27.43 | ScytheBlade1 | They may be actually banned, we don't know yet |
| 22:27.51 | ScytheBlade1 | This other thread post capped in under a day.. |
| 22:28.02 | jaxdahl | the fsb guild forums say it was 72h |
| 22:28.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh never mind, two days |
| 22:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 22:28.23 | Tem|Work | how do you steal a raid id? |
| 22:28.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Invite a member from the other guild who has the ID to a group |
| 22:28.35 | Gnarfoz | you ... take it? |
| 22:28.35 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:28.40 | ScytheBlade1 | They accept, promote them to leader |
| 22:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Zone in |
| 22:28.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam, random person is now tagged with that raid ID |
| 22:28.57 | Tem | that's a lot easier than it should be :( |
| 22:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 22:29.03 | foxlit | I wonder why blizzard's ftp site is so damn popular |
| 22:29.05 | Gnarfoz | it's been easier |
| 22:29.06 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:29.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And up until VERY recently, it wasn't actionable |
| 22:29.14 | Duman | hmm |
| 22:29.17 | Anaral | PlayerA from RaidA, leaves, joins RaidB, they promote him to RL and RaidB finishes the raid |
| 22:29.30 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.49 | Gnarfoz | and yet again, sbo states stuff is actionable. linky linky pls? :> |
| 22:29.50 | Duman | oh weird |
| 22:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 22:29.57 | Duman | my client crashed right when the world server went down? |
| 22:29.58 | Duman | haha |
| 22:30.00 | cbreak | why does guild b even complain? |
| 22:30.04 | Duman | I thought something on my end broke |
| 22:30.11 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: they would like to raid, and they cannot |
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| 22:30.28 | cbreak | hmm... true. |
| 22:30.32 | ScytheBlade1 | link for "hey it's now actionable": http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765581586&pageNo=1&sid=1#12 |
| 22:30.36 | cbreak | then why does guild a complain? :) |
| 22:30.37 | Gnarfoz | also, their illidan would have dropped a glaive, had they killed him on first try |
| 22:30.57 | Gnarfoz | guild A doesn't complain? |
| 22:30.58 | cbreak | loot is random |
| 22:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: they took the ID, filled the instance. Original guild can't zone in. Guild who stole it then clears the instance. Original guild can do -nothing- with it now |
| 22:31.06 | Gnarfoz | what I said applies. |
| 22:31.23 | Gnarfoz | guild A didn't complain, they get touched with the banstick. |
| 22:31.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "touched" |
| 22:31.32 | cbreak | well, one guild is clearly in the wrong, so there should be no drama |
| 22:31.39 | cbreak | just bashing of the guild that was wrong :) |
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| 22:31.57 | Gnarfoz | you think there were constructive posts in that thread? |
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| 22:32.11 | Gnarfoz | way to get fucked out of a glaive drop ^^ |
| 22:32.12 | cbreak | one can always hope |
| 22:32.19 | Esine | Hey all. |
| 22:32.29 | Gnarfoz | was guild B even at farming illidan? ^^ |
| 22:32.36 | Lunessa | ok... time to go sit in traffic. |
| 22:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 22:32.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 3/9 |
| 22:32.39 | Gnarfoz | ah, too bad |
| 22:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: enjoy. |
| 22:32.46 | kd3 | ouch |
| 22:32.51 | Gnarfoz | yeah, my bad, with illidan on farm, who'd steal their ID |
| 22:32.55 | kd3 | figured that was gonna happen soon |
| 22:33.02 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ? |
| 22:33.03 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023610748&sid=2000 |
| 22:33.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 22:33.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Good |
| 22:33.24 | Esine | LF UI designer/someone familiar with UI developing for WoW.. I have a project I started many many months ago (and posted about it in here as well) and I'm going to rewrite it. The problem is I still suck at UIs, but the functional code is no problem. |
| 22:33.45 | Esine | I have a proof of concept version done back then which I can show you to show I'm serious |
| 22:35.40 | bleeter | kd3: fyi, Wine 1.1.3 'released' about 7 hours ago |
| 22:35.42 | cog|work | you might have better luck posting in a forum due to the transient nature of IRC |
| 22:35.52 | Esine | perhaps |
| 22:35.54 | kd3 | hm |
| 22:36.39 | cog|work | wowinterface has an interface requests forum, for example |
| 22:36.46 | Neo|Other | I wonder why Blizzard are so completely against letting pets scale with their owner |
| 22:36.55 | Neo|Other | just make crit, haste etc affect the pets already |
| 22:37.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: because a felhunter is powerful enough as-is. |
| 22:37.18 | Neo|Other | hardly |
| 22:37.25 | Neo|Other | lol |
| 22:37.30 | foxlit | Neo|Other: because they're currently balanced without haste/crit |
| 22:37.36 | Neo|Other | foxlit: they don't scale |
| 22:37.39 | ScytheBlade1 | mage/rogue vs. warlock/whatever says otherwise :P |
| 22:37.40 | foxlit | So? |
| 22:37.41 | Neo|Other | they might be balanced... in karazhan |
| 22:37.48 | foxlit | Or they might be balanced... in sunwell |
| 22:37.51 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: who the hell cares about pvp? this is about pve |
| 22:37.56 | Neo|Other | foxlit: but ... they aren't |
| 22:37.59 | Neo|Other | and that is the issue |
| 22:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: uh. The designers? Me? Others? |
| 22:38.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: second you should have stated that initially :P |
| 22:38.13 | Neo|Other | a felgaurd, in sunwell, does about 300 DPS... same he did on Magtheridon |
| 22:38.21 | Neo|Other | a hunter pet does over 500 DPS maybe more |
| 22:38.35 | foxlit | I thought you warlocks sacrificed pets anyway |
| 22:38.45 | Neo|Other | foxlit: and why do you think that is done? |
| 22:38.58 | bleeter | heartless bastards? |
| 22:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's try this then - "because they're happy with how owner/pet DPS comes out in the end, and if you want one buffed, expect the other to be nerfed to compensate"* |
| 22:39.09 | foxlit | ^ |
| 22:39.15 | ScytheBlade1 | * feel free to provide feedback via beta forums |
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| 22:39.25 | Neo|Other | the issue is twofold - one that it's better to sacrifice the pet (because they don't scale and because they don't survive), two that even though survivability is addressed in wotlk scaling is not |
| 22:39.46 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: no lock uses a pets in raid. that is how happy they are with it |
| 22:39.56 | foxlit | Pretty happy? |
| 22:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: and giving them crit/hit/haste would magically change that? |
| 22:40.07 | Neo|Other | yes |
| 22:40.15 | Neo|Other | because then they would _scale with their owners_ |
| 22:40.24 | foxlit | They already do scale with their owners? |
| 22:40.25 | Neo|Other | right now as the owner gets better gear they get, relatively speaking, weaker |
| 22:40.37 | Neo|Other | since the pet doesn't really change at all between t4, t5, t6 etc |
| 22:40.42 | foxlit | Your stats translate into their stats, some bizzare formula involved. |
| 22:40.52 | Jamash | they do scale, but not enough |
| 22:40.55 | Lukian | 30% is bizarre? :p |
| 22:41.04 | Tem | world server go boom :( |
| 22:41.07 | Duman | yeah :( |
| 22:41.09 | Neo|Other | foxlit: spell damage gain is very minimal, most scaling comes from crit and haste (both T6 and SWP) |
| 22:41.18 | Tem | twice in <30m is kinda frequent |
| 22:41.24 | foxlit | Bizzare in the sense that your shadow spell damage buffs their melee attacks or something like that. Bizzare! |
| 22:41.31 | Neo|Other | foxlit: missing point here - my stats do NOT scale my pet |
| 22:41.33 | Neo|Other | that is my issue |
| 22:41.49 | Neo|Other | a very small subset (dmg/int/sta) does scale |
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| 22:42.00 | Cairenn | ~seen jncl |
| 22:42.03 | purl | i haven't seen 'jncl', Cairenn |
| 22:42.06 | Neo|Other | it's the same thing that gave affliction locks and SP's the nerfbat in higher tier content |
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| 22:42.45 | Neo|Other | foxlit: have you raided as a felguard warlock (right now, in live, ti's the only viable pet period)? |
| 22:43.00 | foxlit | No, I haven't. Isn't that obvious? :) |
| 22:43.05 | Neo|Other | pretty much |
| 22:43.22 | Neo|Other | I have though. in Karazhan, ZA, SSC, TK, Hyjal, BT and briefly in SWP |
| 22:43.34 | foxlit | Get a spec that works, then? |
| 22:43.35 | Aznamir | i raided with felguard until Illidari Council |
| 22:43.42 | bleeter | maybe blizz don't do it 'coz, as everyone knows, locks are OP in 1 on 1 PvP and scaling them would make it even worse? /shrug |
| 22:43.42 | Neo|Other | Aznamir: about the same |
| 22:44.02 | foxlit | It's not like warlocks can't do end-game DPS |
| 22:44.07 | Neo|Other | bleeter: ruin pve for pvp shouldn't be how a game is made that's predominately pve |
| 22:44.12 | Aznamir | but my DPS sucked in Hyjal/BT |
| 22:44.24 | Neo|Other | foxlit: the problem here foxlit is that for WotLK not using pets will _not_ be a usable raid spec |
| 22:44.26 | Aznamir | TK/SSC were fine with felguard |
| 22:44.27 | Neo|Other | period |
| 22:44.39 | Neo|Other | aff => felhunter, demo => fg (maybe succy), destro => imp |
| 22:44.51 | Neo|Other | there will be no spec without pets that are viable |
| 22:45.11 | foxlit | If you're done with that crystal ball, I need it to see if this :WrapScript bug will be fixed soon. |
| 22:45.30 | Neo|Other | now this is a good thing, don't get me wrong. I'm a lock not a mage, I want a pet. However if the pet doesn't scale (except spelldmg) it will remain at the level you were at at your first l80 5-man throughout the expansion |
| 22:45.49 | bleeter | Cairenn: further testing would more than likely indicate that NoScript thing wholly and solly has to do with the size of the post, and is more than likely 'just' a noscript fault. |
| 22:46.01 | Neo|Other | foxlit: crystal ball? you mean as the blue post saying "a lock without a pet should not be able to compete with a mage on dps, but with a pet out he should be comparable"? |
| 22:46.01 | Cairenn | okay |
| 22:46.12 | bleeter | yuck |
| 22:46.14 | bleeter | solely |
| 22:46.23 | foxlit | Your pet-sacrifice buff counts as a pet. |
| 22:46.29 | Neo|Other | no it doesn;t |
| 22:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh |
| 22:46.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "Raid stacking in Wrath" |
| 22:46.36 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023610738&sid=2000 |
| 22:46.55 | Neo|Other | they have clearly stated that pet sac is situation for when a pet can't be used (it's nerfed to 10% btw) and will not result in comparable DPS |
| 22:47.07 | foxlit | So, hey |
| 22:47.14 | ScytheBlade1 | 3) While we are likely to increase the debuff limit on bosses, this is a problem we keep running into. |
| 22:47.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Win |
| 22:47.17 | foxlit | They've clearly stated that they intend to fix pets to make them viable in the end game |
| 22:47.31 | foxlit | You're complaining that pets are not going to be viable end-game |
| 22:47.37 | foxlit | Have you no faith? :) |
| 22:47.42 | Neo|Other | which is why I made the comment that the fix needs to include scaling on all caster dps stats |
| 22:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Your vision of how to accomplish that is not always indentical to their vision. |
| 22:48.05 | Neo|Other | I don't have faith that they will address it no, since they have said multiple times that they don't plan to |
| 22:48.15 | Neo|Other | and even made a demo talent that gives (part of) your crit to the pet |
| 22:48.20 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: "We'd rather get back to bringing good players or, gasp, even your friends. "<< LOL!!! ORLY???!!! ;) |
| 22:48.58 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: if the pet dps remains the same as the locks gear increases, how is that supposed to "scale" in a fair fashion? the pet's DPS should be a nominal percentage of the masters dps |
| 22:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: tbh I'm not sure how that'll work out... friends are great, but some friends are incompetent... they should be worth their raid spot for more than just a buff/debuff |
| 22:49.10 | Neo|Other | the pet <-> master damage ratio should remain constant |
| 22:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: couldn't tell you. I don't even care, truth be told, as I'm being out-DPS'd by hunters and locks, where as locks have been told that their pets will play a much more critical role in Wrath |
| 22:50.00 | Drundia | well, master's spell DPS scales same as for petless class, but starts as penalized (when naked) |
| 22:50.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Spell damage scaling is only one way of solving the problem |
| 22:50.28 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: just make the pet scale with my stats and scaling is solved |
| 22:50.37 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 22:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry but no |
| 22:50.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Your vision is not their vision |
| 22:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | They can do it however they please |
| 22:50.52 | Neo|Other | what is "their vision" then? |
| 22:50.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Ask them |
| 22:51.01 | Neo|Other | you seem to know |
| 22:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | No. What I do know |
| 22:51.07 | Neo|Other | so tell me how would you solve it |
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| 22:51.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that players tend to look at one way of solving it, and say, "here, give us this, this will solve our problems" |
| 22:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | And then they turn and go "eh maybe maybe not, we'll give you something else" |
| 22:51.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Players then QQ |
| 22:51.58 | Lukian | Why would I bring my friends to raids, their dps is crap :p |
| 22:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | They can change *anything they please* |
| 22:52.11 | foxlit | what of us with no friends to speak of? |
| 22:52.14 | cbreak | because they are fun people to be with, and playing is for fun? |
| 22:52.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Limiting pets to scaling with dmg/haste/hit/crit is taking into account only a fraction of what a pet *could* do for an owner/party/raid |
| 22:52.47 | Neo|Other | the only other option is to let the master scale faster him/herself than a petless class |
| 22:53.00 | Lukian | 3) While having a mana battery feels essential in many cases, you can now bring a Shadow priest, Retribution paladin or Survival hunter to fill the role. |
| 22:53.02 | ScytheBlade1 | "only other option"? When they can change ANYTHING? |
| 22:53.06 | Lukian | haha, good bye spriest utility |
| 22:53.15 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: this is ALL gear scaling |
| 22:53.22 | foxlit | Lukian: hello, shadow priest dps, imo :) |
| 22:53.31 | Neo|Other | as gear improves X%, if the outptu doesn't increase with X% you have a problem |
| 22:53.35 | Neo|Other | like affliction warlocks |
| 22:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: and if they want to make pets more viable in ways that don't involve scaling +X%, then they will |
| 22:53.51 | erikd | does anyone know of a mod that's being worked on (or released) that tells you which achievements you still need to do? |
| 22:53.52 | Neo|Other | the imp casts fireballs |
| 22:54.02 | Neo|Other | or firebolts rather, and gives stamina |
| 22:54.07 | Neo|Other | one thing scales |
| 22:54.14 | erikd | i'm looking for something easy to learn on |
| 22:54.17 | Neo|Other | but slightly |
| 22:54.56 | Neo|Other | the concern I have, and this is not really a concern without basis based on previous experiences, is that pets will be great at level 80 |
| 22:55.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Quit focusing on DPS output via spell damage/"stats that don't scale with my pet". They could do any large number of things to make pets more valuable to the raid - saying "you MUST make their *DPS* scale!" is rather closed minded about the issue |
| 22:55.11 | Neo|Other | but after a few tier of raids we'll be back to 0/21/50 cookie cutter demo sac build |
| 22:55.18 | Neo|Other | because the imp's damage is <10% of the masters |
| 22:55.32 | ScytheBlade1 | When no they don't have to, they have no binding obligation to do so, but rather can do literally anything they please |
| 22:55.35 | Neo|Other | I'm sorry but a destro warlock is a dps class |
| 22:55.39 | Neo|Other | there's no utility |
| 22:55.40 | ScytheBlade1 | And? |
| 22:55.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 22:55.49 | Neo|Other | it's ALL about dps output |
| 22:55.50 | ScytheBlade1 | "anything they want" |
| 22:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:55.57 | Neo|Other | without the DPS output they are not valuable |
| 22:55.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I know that rune |
| 22:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | *tune |
| 22:56.09 | Neo|Other | ah should have figured. /bittermage |
| 22:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | No, not quite |
| 22:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I also have a resto druid :P |
| 22:56.22 | Neo|Other | you could L2P like our mages who compete nicely on DPS with locks |
| 22:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | (That does NOT PvP) |
| 22:56.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Kind of like my 43 DPS short of 2k on Teron the other night? :P |
| 22:56.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Telling me to L2P does nothing to further your argument, or detriment my point |
| 22:57.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is simply that spell damage is only one aspect of the game, and they can do anything they please with it |
| 22:57.32 | erikd | uh oh, the version of vbulletin that wowinterface is running is using console.x javascript, that'll throw errors |
| 22:57.39 | Neo|Other | if pets are require for warlock dps, and only with a pet a warlock can compete with a mage in wotlk, the pet needs to play its part and remain in that part |
| 22:57.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Right. Agreed. |
| 22:57.57 | Neo|Other | if they feel like making pets buff the raid damage (like imps buff the locks dmg via crits), that's another way |
| 22:58.01 | Neo|Other | but I don't see them doing that |
| 22:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Two things |
| 22:58.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Well three |
| 22:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) Betalol. It can all change. |
| 22:58.28 | Neo|Other | they did state that a lock would have to give up all raid benefits to be able to be top end competetive DPS |
| 22:58.32 | Neo|Other | I believe them when they say so |
| 22:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait |
| 22:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly is your point here? |
| 22:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Or concern rather |
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| 22:59.52 | erikd | tuller! |
| 22:59.55 | Sixen | o_o |
| 22:59.56 | Sixen | Lisana? |
| 23:00.05 | Tuller | hello |
| 23:00.22 | Tuller | ...odd |
| 23:00.36 | Neo|Other | lack of pet scaling negatively impacting all warlock spec scaling as gear improves |
| 23:00.49 | Neo|Other | basically a repeat of BC |
| 23:01.05 | foxlit | Is warlock DPS a problem in BC? |
| 23:01.09 | erikd | god no |
| 23:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. Summon the pet, sac it. Done deal. |
| 23:01.16 | erikd | warlock dps is insane in tbc |
| 23:01.18 | Neo|Other | foxlit: wtf does that have to do with anything? |
| 23:01.25 | foxlit | "basically a repeat of BC" |
| 23:01.27 | Neo|Other | are you so stuck in the past you can't see the future? |
| 23:01.34 | Neo|Other | the problem in BC is we _cannot use pets_ |
| 23:01.36 | bleeter | I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts |
| 23:01.38 | Neo|Other | even if we want to we can't |
| 23:01.39 | erikd | you make it sound like being top dps in the raid is a bad thing |
| 23:01.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: in some ways I could say the same to you, with how focused you are on the issue, haha |
| 23:01.50 | bleeter | There they are a-standing in a row |
| 23:01.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay let me see if I can likewise sum this up |
| 23:01.55 | Neo|Other | part of the problem in BC: pets don't live, sac pet is too powerful |
| 23:02.00 | Neo|Other | they are addressing those two |
| 23:02.06 | Neo|Other | they have not addressed: pets don't scale |
| 23:02.53 | foxlit | It's nothing that can't be compensated by having warlocks scale better. |
| 23:02.59 | Neo|Other | foxlit: repeat of BC => felguard great in kara, and for a great while but sucks once you're t6 geared (even partially) due to no real increase in spell dmg but high increase in crit/haste |
| 23:03.04 | bleeter | or everyone else scale worse |
| 23:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | But is that an actual problem? If they tie warlock DPS to pets in the sense that they remain alive during a raid - which is more or less what they've stated - then who cares if *the pet DPS* output is low/"non scaling"? |
| 23:03.12 | Neo|Other | foxlit: that is.. my point |
| 23:03.28 | foxlit | Your crystal ball predicts that warlock scaling will suck |
| 23:03.31 | foxlit | To the point that their will suck |
| 23:03.33 | Tem | oy |
| 23:03.37 | Tem | the world server hates us tonight |
| 23:03.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Their purpose is to buff the warlock to provide DPS, or raid utility - neither of which is tied to spell power scaling with pets |
| 23:03.39 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: I don't care as long as warlock scaling, without the pet, is better than mage/rogue/etc scaling |
| 23:03.40 | foxlit | Contrary to Blizzard's intention of not making them suck |
| 23:03.46 | foxlit | Unless your idea is implemented. |
| 23:04.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: they've stated the exact opposite. Your pet will be requires to equal those classes. (Mage specifically, I kinda hope rogues still epic win the meters) |
| 23:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | *required |
| 23:04.19 | foxlit | oh, fs, stay away from rogues |
| 23:04.27 | foxlit | They bring _less_ utility |
| 23:04.34 | Neo|Other | my only point is that currently, in beta, petlocks will not scale in a linear fashion but will negatively suffer as stats stack up |
| 23:04.47 | kd3 | key words: currently, in beta |
| 23:04.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 23:04.53 | kd3 | they still haven't done the dps pass |
| 23:04.53 | Neo|Other | foxlit: welcome to wotlk when all classes bring utility! (who says rogues won't) |
| 23:05.00 | kd3 | that's going to be at the end of beta |
| 23:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, kd3 just won this entire thing |
| 23:05.15 | Lukian | rogues kick |
| 23:05.18 | Neo|Other | and a dest lock will bring 150 stamina (which a warrior can handle with commanding shout btw - it's not even a unique ability) and curse of recklessness or what not |
| 23:05.19 | Lukian | how is that not utility |
| 23:05.31 | foxlit | shamans shock, mages CS, and _warlock pets_ spelllock :) |
| 23:05.34 | ScytheBlade1 | They have stated multiple times that they are not looking at DPS *at all* right now, they're focusing on playability |
| 23:05.44 | ScytheBlade1 | (with the exception of the real ret griefers, lolret) |
| 23:05.47 | foxlit | tanks pummel, death knights mind freeze, hunters silence... etc :) |
| 23:05.53 | kd3 | boo, they just fixed storm peaks |
| 23:05.54 | Lukian | hehe |
| 23:05.57 | bleeter | anyone would think the current Beta cut is an attempt at Release |
| 23:05.57 | kd3 | its now NML |
| 23:05.58 | foxlit | And only paladins get to qq in a corner |
| 23:06.01 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: I'm not talking about dps. I'm talking about scaling. not looking at dps doesn't mean not looking at scaling |
| 23:06.07 | bleeter | the way this qq has gone |
| 23:06.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: then what do you even care? Stam "scales" - the pet will live. Your DPS will be magnificient as long as that happens. And? |
| 23:07.28 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: at level 80 my pet will do 300 dps |
| 23:07.39 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: at level 80 with t9 gear my pet will do 310 dps |
| 23:07.50 | bleeter | anyone would think the current Beta cut is an attempt at Release |
| 23:08.05 | Neo|Other | bleeter: no one thinks that |
| 23:08.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: which says to me that your pet's DPS output is entirely irrelevent as it relates to your DPS |
| 23:08.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: or rather, combine DPS |
| 23:08.20 | Neo|Other | I'm basing my comments on blue posts stating they don't have any intention to scale the pets with other stats |
| 23:08.40 | Jamash | ScytheBlade1: which means that pet-focused builds become decreasingly valuable |
| 23:09.01 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: answer this though - if at level 80 I can do 2000 DPS (hypotehtically) and my pet does 300 DPS. why if I later do 3000 DPS shouldn't my pet do 450 DPS? |
| 23:09.15 | erikd | so you'd rather have worse personal scaling in favor of pet scaling? |
| 23:09.39 | Neo|Other | erikd: I'd rather have my pet and myself scale equally, resulting in equal scaling to a mage or any other dps class, yes |
| 23:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: because they don't want it to, and will balance your DPS (defined as "you + pet") around other things. |
| 23:09.59 | erikd | and you use tbc as an example of poor warlock scaling? |
| 23:10.12 | Neo|Other | no |
| 23:10.15 | Neo|Other | well yes |
| 23:10.19 | Neo|Other | tbc _demo spec)_ |
| 23:10.51 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: the problem is if they don't scale pet dps output, by the time I do 3000 personal DPS I gain more from demonic sacrifice than having the pet out |
| 23:10.53 | erikd | that's like saying i need more +damage talents in the resto tree on my druid because i don't do enough dps |
| 23:11.06 | Neo|Other | and we're back to the whole "locks don't use pets" issues we have in BC |
| 23:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: maybe. beta, currently, "haven't done the DPS pass", etc etc etc |
| 23:11.35 | Neo|Other | erikd: demo is avalid DPS tree that was competetive (often topping over other specs) for a long time. however in tier 6 content with haste/crit up my ass, it stopped scaling |
| 23:12.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: if you're saying that's the way it is in beta *right now* I'll just take your word for it - and then add that such a thing is the exact oppositite of their stated goals, and likewise that you can probably expect that problem to be rectified before release |
| 23:12.30 | Neo|Other | believe the imp, today (I know beta can and will change, don't tell me again), it wouldn't take very long until an imp less spec likely would outdps an imp spec |
| 23:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | (possibly in a way that doesn't even relate to full stat pet scaling) |
| 23:13.35 | Aznamir | Bah, blizz closed Storm Peaks |
| 23:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Aznamir: server crashing 'sploits crash servers. True story. |
| 23:14.02 | Aznamir | 'sploits? |
| 23:14.07 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: nowai |
| 23:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | There was a way you could indirectly spawn thousands of mobs |
| 23:14.23 | foxlit | I'm amazed they don't have a way to tweak this stuff without taking world servers offline |
| 23:14.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Same thing as the DK issue not long ago |
| 23:14.28 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: that's fine, as I stated there are two other options - scale the lock more than 1:1 of other classes (as long as a pet is out), or give the pet raid benefits that scale with other classes' dps |
| 23:14.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: or provide the pet with a warlock only 'buff' that makes it worthwhile |
| 23:15.03 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: and I'm sure all the lolbug ppl in beta did their best to spawn thousands of mobs "to test the game" |
| 23:15.15 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:15.20 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: that "warlock only buff" => scale the lock better than 1:1 with the pet out |
| 23:15.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Tools! "But if I don't then they won't know how much of a problem it is!" Riiiight.. |
| 23:15.44 | Neo|Other | so many retarded people did that with the ghouls |
| 23:15.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: and all I'm saying is that they can do it more than with simple stat/coefecient scaling (only spelled right) |
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| 23:16.18 | bleeter | foxlit: maybe they've been trying to hotfix and it's not happening... /shrug |
| 23:17.15 | foxlit | The beautiful thing is that you don't have to scale pets at all |
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| 23:17.23 | Neo|Other | honestly though the point of bringing a destro lock is looking rather low atm |
| 23:17.31 | foxlit | You could instead drop demonic sacrifice to a static bonus and call it a day. |
| 23:17.55 | Neo|Other | much better to bring an aff lock for felintelligence, shadow embrace and improved CoR (frailty) and a demo lock for the spell dmg debuff thingamabob |
| 23:18.17 | Neo|Other | foxlit: what you seem to miss is that no one wants demonic sacrifice |
| 23:18.24 | Neo|Other | rather don't want it to be "the one and only way" |
| 23:18.33 | Neo|Other | Blizzard doesn't want it either |
| 23:18.42 | foxlit | How are the last three lines relevant to making DS a static bonus? |
| 23:18.58 | Neo|Other | I'd much rather pick up chaos bolt, shadowfury etc than being forced into 21 demo with mostly throwaway talents |
| 23:19.01 | foxlit | You can have a static bonus buff, or you can have a static bonus pet |
| 23:19.24 | Neo|Other | static bonus would just make the talent completely useless :P |
| 23:19.37 | foxlit | Why? |
| 23:19.40 | Neo|Other | i'd be like giving a DK a talent that increases strength by 50 |
| 23:19.42 | Neo|Other | useless |
| 23:19.52 | foxlit | Have it scale with level. |
| 23:19.58 | Neo|Other | useless |
| 23:20.01 | Neo|Other | you level for a few weeks |
| 23:20.04 | foxlit | What, no. |
| 23:20.11 | foxlit | You can have x dps by having your pet out |
| 23:20.16 | foxlit | You can have y dps by having your DS buff up |
| 23:20.37 | Neo|Other | static buff jsut enforces the problem |
| 23:20.43 | Neo|Other | i.e lack of scaling |
| 23:20.52 | foxlit | Your damage scales properly |
| 23:20.54 | foxlit | End of story. |
| 23:20.59 | Neo|Other | all they need to do is to ensure taht the pet is > 10% of your dps |
| 23:21.03 | Neo|Other | and remains at >10% |
| 23:21.15 | Neo|Other | either through its own dps or by buffing the locks dps |
| 23:21.16 | Neo|Other | or both |
| 23:21.29 | Neo|Other | foxlit: no it doesn't! |
| 23:21.39 | Neo|Other | 100 DPS when I was in karazhan gear would haev been a nice boost |
| 23:21.46 | Neo|Other | 100 DPS when I'm in SWP gear is hardly noticeable |
| 23:22.03 | erikd | so that warlocks can complain when their pet gets cleaved and they have to stop any form of dps to rez it to even keep up on meters |
| 23:22.25 | Neo|Other | there are very few, if any, talents that "increase <something> with X" rather than "X%" for a reason |
| 23:22.51 | Neo|Other | erikd: ever noticed how pets get 80% dmg reduction on aoe attacks? who the heck cares if my pets get cleaved? |
| 23:23.05 | Neo|Other | besides, the pet will stand behind or at range and won't get cleaved anyway |
| 23:23.10 | foxlit | Re 100 DPS stuff: besides the point, all of it |
| 23:23.21 | Neo|Other | you suggest "static bonus" |
| 23:23.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other - disagree - all they need to do is make sure that at high end levels, the benefit to having a pet out surpasses that of saccing it. *That's the goal, nothing more* |
| 23:23.24 | foxlit | Mages do 1000 in Kara, you do 900 in Kara, your pet does 100 in Kara. |
| 23:23.29 | Neo|Other | static bonus is absolutely not what is needed |
| 23:23.31 | ScytheBlade1 | (disagree as a whole, nothing specific) |
| 23:23.35 | foxlit | Mages do 2000 in SWP, you do 1900 in SWP, your pet does 100 in SWP |
| 23:24.05 | foxlit | You have a choice of replacing your pet with a buff that would do say 80 DPS |
| 23:24.16 | Neo|Other | foxlit: so that is my point isn't it? the warlock scales better than the mage OR the pet scales with the warlock OR the pet gives a raid buff benefit that allows it to be worth using |
| 23:24.20 | foxlit | All design goals accomplished, pet scaling not touched |
| 23:24.35 | Neo|Other | and I can ensure you a lock without a pet wouldn't still do 1900 DPS |
| 23:24.48 | Neo|Other | since pet increases the locks' dps |
| 23:24.48 | foxlit | Your point, originally, was "pet must scale with haste/crit, or this world will perish" |
| 23:24.49 | foxlit | :) |
| 23:25.11 | Rabbitbunny | 8820 is curent beta patch right? |
| 23:25.11 | Neo|Other | I clarified the point that pet + master must scale in a linear fashion with gear to remain viable |
| 23:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? a "Take The Miley Cyrus Quiz" advert on a DEBIAN WIKI? |
| 23:25.18 | Neo|Other | regardless of spec |
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| 23:25.44 | foxlit | They currently do :) |
| 23:25.49 | Neo|Other | not really |
| 23:26.05 | foxlit | Since master always scales in a linear fashion, so does pet + master :) |
| 23:26.16 | Neo|Other | I mean to be clear here, it's not final but currently the "imp benefit" to the master (i.e master crit 100% when pet crit) scales negatively as he masters crit rating goes up |
| 23:27.07 | foxlit | Which can easily be balanced by adding more crit to your gear than ordinary item budget allows. |
| 23:27.11 | Neo|Other | and the lock has to scale in a linear fashion at a steeper angle than the mage if the pet doesn't scale linearly with the master |
| 23:27.18 | Neo|Other | wut? |
| 23:27.24 | Neo|Other | missed the "all classes wear the same gear" memo? |
| 23:27.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: but then - if they're balancing that around top end-game DPS in Wrath - it's a buff while you gear up, and sits perfectly where they want once you're decked in best-in-slot |
| 23:27.53 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: aka negative scaling. no one wants to become relatively weaker as they gear up |
| 23:27.53 | ScytheBlade1 | (Some may question their ability to do so, but...) |
| 23:27.57 | foxlit | Yeah, I missed the part about class-specific tier sets going away |
| 23:28.04 | foxlit | Are they really? |
| 23:28.05 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: see: affliction warlock, shadow priest, demo warlock (BC) |
| 23:28.19 | Neo|Other | tier sets are usually not top of the slot |
| 23:28.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: but if that is their /design goal/ what are you going to do about it? |
| 23:28.34 | Neo|Other | but right now for example pvp rogue and pvp feral druid sets are identical except set bonuses |
| 23:28.41 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: what, class gear sets huh? |
| 23:28.43 | Neo|Other | so it's very posible the differentiation is going away |
| 23:28.53 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: play my deathknight |
| 23:29.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: over a single talent? If I didn't know any better I'd say that you were a mage pre-BC ;) |
| 23:30.44 | Neo|Other | ScytheBlade1: not over a single talent - if the goal from Blizzard is to have warlocks scale negatively as they gear up I'm not interested |
| 23:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: your feedback is 110% welcome in the proper places ;) |
| 23:31.24 | erikd | warlocks do scale up |
| 23:31.31 | erikd | you just have to spec right for the gear :) |
| 23:31.39 | Cairenn | hahahhaha @ tarquin's entry into the comic contest: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=99856&postcount=11 |
| 23:32.02 | Neo|Other | erikd: except the point is in WotLK the "rigth spec" has a pet, regardless of the spec |
| 23:32.34 | erikd | and you don't trust blizzard will do that if that's the point? |
| 23:32.53 | erikd | they did a pretty good job of making warlocks top dps in tbc |
| 23:32.54 | Neo|Other | case and point: affliction warlocks, shadow priests, demo warlocks in Burning Crusade |
| 23:33.10 | erikd | none of those are for dps |
| 23:33.12 | Neo|Other | actually they failed completely by unintentionally stacking warlock dps to rediculous levels |
| 23:33.14 | erikd | they're for utility |
| 23:33.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Neo|Other: I just think it's a bit short sighted to ditch a class because they're being changed in a way you don't like. There's a canyon between "broken" and "worth a raid slot" that most players seem to transform into marginally small numbers/ideas. |
| 23:33.27 | Neo|Other | demo has no BC utility |
| 23:33.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: win |
| 23:33.38 | Cairenn | isn't that great? |
| 23:33.38 | erikd | pvp |
| 23:33.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 23:33.56 | Neo|Other | and affliction utility doesn't outperform the loss of DPS |
| 23:34.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It's almost as perfect as the UI it describes ;) |
| 23:34.06 | Neo|Other | and the issue isn't taht they are doing less DPS |
| 23:34.18 | Neo|Other | but that the better their gear, the less DPS they are doing relative to other classes |
| 23:34.32 | erikd | sure it does, when we were learning brut we made sure to have a warlock specced affliction to increase mitigation |
| 23:35.18 | Neo|Other | no one says affliction sould be on par with destruction on dps |
| 23:35.44 | Neo|Other | but that they shouldn't decrease in relative effectiveness |
| 23:36.09 | erikd | i don't know how ineffective you can consider it when they're used in the top raid instance of the game |
| 23:36.25 | Neo|Other | case and point: SSC/TK: Afflocks were initially stronger than destro, and later on about on par. T6: lol? afflock? go away, SWP: Ok need a token afflock for shadow embrace kthx |
| 23:36.37 | Neo|Other | in an entire tier aff locks were essentially useless |
| 23:36.49 | Neo|Other | and only reason to bring them in SWP is because of shadow embrace |
| 23:37.05 | erikd | i'd agree with you only if warlocks were completely useless |
| 23:37.13 | Neo|Other | they were skipped in an entire tier because the utility wasn't needed |
| 23:37.49 | Neo|Other | it's just like marksman and survival hunters. both pretty much weren't used at all in T6 instances. in SWP some use survival hunters for the physical dps buff |
| 23:39.11 | Neo|Other | I think you're getting too stuck up on what's currently going on in BC. no one is arguing that locks are underperforming in BC raiding, only that the only compatetive locks have the same 1 spec |
| 23:39.53 | erikd | every class goes through that, i'd think it was pretty boring if you get to 80 and you stay the same until it's time to get to 90 |
| 23:40.12 | erikd | mages went from fire to arcane back to fire |
| 23:40.35 | erikd | warlocks went from demo/affliction to destro |
| 23:41.05 | erikd | us poor resto druids went from YAY to "FUCK CHAIN HEAL" |
| 23:41.09 | erikd | :P |
| 23:41.24 | Neo|Other | and I disagree with that too |
| 23:41.24 | NightHawkAtWork | erikd: on one hand.. i'm sorry. on the other hand.. FUCK LIFEBLOOM. |
| 23:41.24 | Neo|Other | you should be able to spec as you wish, and at least have two viable dps trees as a dps class |
| 23:41.24 | leethal | 57 min av finally over |
| 23:41.24 | Neo|Other | maybe not frost (which is more about survival and control), but defintely arcane or fire |
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| 23:41.44 | Neo|Other | for hunters marksman and BM should be about the same dps with survival be lower but more raid benefits (mana restoration for example) |
| 23:41.49 | erikd | lifebloom can only be so effective when chain heal is healing people to full after one tick =/ |
| 23:41.52 | Duman | hah |
| 23:41.58 | Duman | I miss the old 57 HOUR AV's |
| 23:42.01 | Neo|Other | resto druids suck too... I mean for them |
| 23:42.09 | NightHawkAtWork | erikd: depends on the fight, but they both have their uses, and can both make the other redundant in cases |
| 23:42.17 | Aznamir | "Glyph - Backstab - Increases the damage dealt by Backstab to stunned and incapacitated targets by 20%." VS "Glyph of Banish - Increases the duration of your Banish by 5 sec." MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:42.18 | Neo|Other | having to basically repeatedly press the one same heal button on 3-5 people continuously for the duration of the fight |
| 23:42.42 | NightHawkAtWork | a druid (or two) keeping LBs rolling on a few people might make my 2.5s cast ch fully overheal sometimes |
| 23:42.44 | Neo|Other | Aznamir: lock glyphs => mostly fail |
| 23:43.07 | foxlit | keep in mind that they can't all be major |
| 23:43.10 | NightHawkAtWork | Aznamir: is there any indication of what TYPE of glyph each is? minor/greater etc? |
| 23:43.12 | Neo|Other | but druids aren't exactly suffering in the HPS department :P |
| 23:43.22 | NightHawkAtWork | Aznamir: without that knowledge, it's a meaningless comparison |
| 23:43.22 | foxlit | So there's a certain allotment of "meh, yet awesome" glyphs for every class. |
| 23:43.30 | erikd | i miss the days when i could do 25% healing on council |
| 23:43.48 | foxlit | Mages might get to polymorph someone into a penguin, warlocks might get to keep something banished for 5 seconds longer :) |
| 23:44.10 | NightHawkAtWork | shaman get to watch their mana pool die a horrible horrible death! oh.. wait.. thats not a glyph |
| 23:45.25 | KarlKFI | pallies get to hit harder |
| 23:45.33 | KarlKFI | cause you know, that's what we need |
| 23:45.41 | KarlKFI | not more ocnsistancy or anything |
| 23:45.57 | NightHawkAtWork | actually, i do like the avenger's shield glyph, only 1 target, at double damage. |
| 23:46.01 | KarlKFI | BOOM |
| 23:46.04 | Neo|Other | foxlit: compare mage with lock glyphs and you can't really say they are the same |
| 23:46.04 | Neo|Other | obviously not finalized or complete |
| 23:46.06 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: one is a minor glyph, one is a major. Apples and oranges. |
| 23:46.10 | KarlKFI | thought it was 3x dmg? |
| 23:46.22 | foxlit | I honestly don't know which is which :) |
| 23:46.33 | NightHawkAtWork | KarlKFI: i remember it as 1 target for 100% extra damage, but i could be mistaken. eitehr way, it's the "1 target" that's niec :) |
| 23:46.40 | foxlit | I'm also under the impression that they aren't even craftable yet |
| 23:46.48 | NightHawkAtWork | they are not, iirc. |
| 23:47.01 | erikd | i'm told inscription is capped around 125 |
| 23:47.10 | foxlit | so if the +5 seconds to banish actually takes up the "zomgimba" slot, then yeah, it's horribly wrong |
| 23:47.21 | erikd | i'm waiting until 80 to farm the mats for it on beta |
| 23:50.17 | NightHawkAtWork | weee |
| 23:50.17 | erikd | KABOOM |
| 23:50.17 | Cairenn | wheee, net split |
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| 23:51.17 | Duman | it's more like 135, since I'm at 131 and still have a green recipe |
| 23:51.19 | Duman | but yeah, no new inscription stuff |
| 23:52.31 | Ackis | anyone have a torrent for the beta patch? |
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| 23:53.21 | bleeter | bah, they all suck anyways |
| 23:53.22 | Ackis | netsplit sucks |
| 23:53.23 | Cide | HA< I WIN |
| 23:53.23 | Cide | I never get disconnected. |
| 23:53.23 | Duman | northrend crash? |
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| 23:53.24 | Duman | oh, that |
| 23:53.24 | erikd | i'm glad i'm still at work if the beta servers are bad tonight |
| 23:53.24 | Ackis | anyone have a torrent for the beta patch? )before the spam) |
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| 23:53.24 | kd3 | check beta TS. pretty sure there's one in the mirror thread |
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| 23:53.49 | Aznamir | www.wowinsider.com/media/2008/08/longmatch_mgray080821.jpg lawl |
| 23:53.49 | Aznamir | warlock vs resto druid |
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| 23:54.26 | Xuerian | holycraaaaap |
| 23:54.50 | bleeter | oO WoW Radio ran a comp giving away WWI cards... but the comp finished on the 15th and the cutoff for WoWI generated beta entries was the 1st? |
| 23:55.01 | bleeter | er... s/wowi/wwi/ |
| 23:55.16 | erikd | no, the 1st was to be in the next wave |
| 23:55.28 | bleeter | there's another WWI pending wave? |
| 23:55.28 | erikd | which was supposed to go out on the 4th |
| 23:55.33 | erikd | then the 9th |
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| 23:55.40 | erikd | and finally actually went out around the 15th |
| 23:55.53 | erikd | they didn't say either way |
| 23:56.15 | erikd | they said to be in the "next wave" of beta invites you had to register on or before the 1st |
| 23:56.21 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 23:56.25 | erikd | that was for blizzcon and wwi |
| 23:56.25 | Duman | wow, I think this server is the one having issues |
| 23:56.29 | Duman | *** CTCP PING reply from Duman: 240 seconds |
| 23:56.33 | Duman | 240s ping to myself? |
| 23:56.49 | bleeter | erikd: yup, hence the competition that finished on the 15th is completely pointless (as no one can register on the 1st) |
| 23:57.04 | Cairenn | we're handing out wwi cards for the comic contest |
| 23:57.06 | Duman | check the thread in the Tech Support forum |
| 23:57.18 | erikd | bleeter: no, it was just to be in the next wave |
| 23:57.20 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023602703&sid=2000 |
| 23:57.23 | erikd | there will be more waves |
| 23:57.36 | bleeter | OK, well here's the thread. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023680714&sid=1 |
| 23:57.48 | bleeter | " However, WoWbetabilling has informed me that there was a "deadline" for August 1st, and that my WWI beta key is pretty well useless. " |
| 23:58.01 | Cairenn | bleeter: |
| 23:58.09 | erikd | unless it's a blue post it's not authoritive |
| 23:58.23 | erikd | whoever posted that misunderstood the email |
| 23:58.34 | Cairenn | Beta contests continue on various official fansites, but they won't last forever! Here are the contests that are still running. Be sure to get in on them before it's too late. |
| 23:58.34 | Cairenn | Ten Ton Hammer: One Azeroth One Dream (ends 8/20) |
| 23:58.34 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.34 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.34 | Cairenn | WoW Interface: Comic Contest (ends 8/29) |
| 23:58.40 | Cairenn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml |
| 23:58.43 | Duman | ackis did you see my url? |
| 23:58.45 | Cairenn | look at the community spotlight |
| 23:59.30 | Ackis | yes :) |
| 23:59.51 | Ackis | I'm dling at 420kb/sec =/ |
