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| 00:06.18 | Thunder_Child | "EVGA nForce 790i SLI FTW" is the name of the new board. just sad |
| 00:06.33 | smcn | lol |
| 00:07.16 | Neo|Other | FTW! |
| 00:08.17 | Corrodias | i take it 790i is some kind of chipset? |
| 00:09.27 | Diao | nforce 790i |
| 00:09.33 | Diao | is the chipset made by nvidia |
| 00:10.33 | durcyn | 790i's been having some serious issues, fyi, i'd go with a p45 or an x48 if you want ddr3, or 780i if you want reliable sli |
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| 00:11.08 | kd3 | gah. after not doing the raid game in 6 months, I'm chilling in a hyjal raid just idling at 1100 spell damage. pretty good for mostly t4/t5 gear |
| 00:13.07 | Lunessa | .. /envy |
| 00:15.31 | End | Credric trinks a lot of rum |
| 00:15.33 | End | er |
| 00:15.35 | End | Cedric |
| 00:16.36 | Kirov | 1198 spell damage, 30.7% crit, 129 haste, 73 hit, or 1139 damage, 30% crit, 129 haste, 186 hit (way way over stacked) |
| 00:16.56 | Tem | LFM Utgarde Keep -- need tank |
| 00:17.10 | End | uh, I have a level 58 death knight |
| 00:17.15 | Tem | pass |
| 00:17.21 | Tem | I'm 68 and barely tanking it |
| 00:17.28 | Tem | which is why I'm looking for another |
| 00:17.36 | End | I have a level 74 warlock too, but that's different faction and different server |
| 00:17.38 | selckin | eu? |
| 00:17.41 | Tem | us |
| 00:17.47 | adam_sc | us ftl |
| 00:17.56 | Neo|Other | 71 warlock ok? :P |
| 00:17.57 | Neo|Other | hehe |
| 00:18.00 | Corrodias | i have a level 200 warmongler |
| 00:18.10 | Corrodias | you would not believe. |
| 00:18.38 | p3lim | how can I copy a string to clipboard in lua? |
| 00:18.47 | p3lim | (enforced by slashcommands) |
| 00:18.52 | End | copy a string? |
| 00:19.01 | End | you tell the user to hit ctrl+C |
| 00:19.03 | cbreak | open a text edit field |
| 00:19.12 | p3lim | not like that |
| 00:19.12 | cbreak | put the stuff you want to be copied in there |
| 00:19.17 | cbreak | and then let the user copy it |
| 00:19.18 | End | you can't copy directly |
| 00:19.22 | cbreak | luckily |
| 00:19.32 | End | you have to have the user select text and copy some by hand :P |
| 00:19.33 | Corrodias | Lua can't interact with all system resources? :( |
| 00:19.44 | cbreak | did you hear of the cross platform flash vulnerability in the flash plugin of IE, Firefox, ..., safari? |
| 00:19.50 | cbreak | no... |
| 00:19.55 | p3lim | i write /copy and a function adds string X to clipboard |
| 00:19.59 | cbreak | lua can only interact with what the host application allows |
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| 00:20.14 | cbreak | and the host application does NOT allow copying |
| 00:20.18 | End | I'm less worried about WoW addons, than issues with flash though |
| 00:20.20 | p3lim | ok then |
| 00:20.23 | cbreak | (would be stupid anyway :) |
| 00:20.32 | End | although, I have flashblock anyways ;-p |
| 00:20.34 | Corrodias | cbreak: the host application? Windows? doesn't allow interacting with the clipboard? |
| 00:20.37 | cbreak | no |
| 00:20.44 | cbreak | the host application in your case is wow, right? |
| 00:20.52 | p3lim | yep |
| 00:20.57 | Corrodias | oh, i didn't know that |
| 00:21.05 | Corrodias | you just said Lua. :( |
| 00:21.23 | cbreak | WoW does not provide a command for putting stuff into the clipboard. |
| 00:21.36 | cbreak | lua is just the language to access those api calls |
| 00:21.41 | End | well, even plain old lua can't do that, without some sort of module or something like that (unless there's some wanky way to do it with file paths) |
| 00:22.00 | Corrodias | an interesting thought, i wonder if windows has a named pipe for the clipboard or something |
| 00:22.13 | cbreak | windows supports named pipes? |
| 00:22.43 | Corrodias | oh yes, although i don't even remember exactly what that means |
| 00:23.15 | Corrodias | well, wikipedia says "The concept is also found in Microsoft Windows, although the semantics differ substantially". windows has something CALLED named pipes, then. |
| 00:24.11 | cbreak | http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1733 |
| 00:24.51 | Corrodias | i THINK i have seen one example of accessing a named pipe via the filesystem: in vmware, you can share a folder on the host with the VM, and you access it inside the VM with a pipe path: \\.\host\share or something |
| 00:24.57 | Corrodias | er, via explorer |
| 00:25.55 | cbreak | pipe path? a named path in unixes is just a file that can not be written to without an other app reading from |
| 00:26.10 | Corrodias | (my own term) |
| 00:26.21 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out of here for the night. Ciao tutti. |
| 00:26.27 | Corrodias | "Named pipes aren't permanent and can't be created as special files on any writable filesystem, unlike in Unix, but are volatile names (freed after the last reference to them is closed) allocated in the root directory of the named pipe filesystem (NPFS), mounted under the special path \\.\pipe\ (that is, a pipe named "foo" would have a full path name of \\.\pipe\foo). Anonymous pipes used in pipelining are actually named pipes w |
| 00:26.42 | cbreak | .host/share looks like a network share to me :) |
| 00:26.51 | Corrodias | .\host |
| 00:27.09 | cbreak | in VMWareFusion they are network shares |
| 00:27.39 | Corrodias | in fact, in the next paragraph, it mentions vmware and windbg |
| 00:27.44 | Corrodias | sorry, i'm not familiar with vmwarefusion |
| 00:28.29 | Corrodias | ah, a mac product |
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| 00:38.26 | Shirik | debian is hilarious |
| 00:38.30 | Shirik | It yells at you for "sudo bash" |
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| 00:39.18 | adam_sc | sudo rm -rf / |
| 00:39.20 | adam_sc | ^^ |
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| 00:44.44 | Sixen | lol@shirik |
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| 00:46.05 | Duman | yay |
| 00:46.40 | Sixen | woo! |
| 00:46.47 | Sixen | Good job spidey! |
| 00:46.48 | Sixen | ;) |
| 00:46.50 | Duman | bwahaha |
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| 00:52.39 | cbreak | sudo -s |
| 00:53.10 | Sargeras_ | ! |
| 00:53.51 | Sargeras | invald password wtf |
| 00:54.18 | Sargeras | Caiiirreeennnnn, Brenlo made fun of me =( |
| 00:55.00 | Sargeras | wanna see a scary pic of it? |
| 00:55.11 | Cairenn | you showed me last night :p |
| 00:55.18 | Sargeras | oh I did? |
| 00:55.20 | Sargeras | ok |
| 00:55.30 | Sargeras | jfc I need a tan |
| 00:55.43 | Cairenn | hehhe |
| 00:56.01 | Sargeras | just thank brell you wont see that at blizzcon |
| 00:57.04 | Sargeras | I told Dolby that we should point out that's an EQ player at the Con |
| 00:57.07 | Sargeras | and see what happens >.> |
| 00:57.17 | Thunder_Child | nothing |
| 00:57.20 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 00:57.21 | Sargeras | probably |
| 00:57.32 | Thunder_Child | many wow players used to play EQ at some point, or even still do |
| 00:57.43 | Sargeras | like some devs |
| 00:57.47 | Sargeras | true |
| 00:58.08 | Dolby | I play both eq2 and wow |
| 00:58.13 | Dolby | sarg only plays wow |
| 00:58.17 | Dolby | =p |
| 00:58.38 | Sargeras | I havent seen you on WoW in months! |
| 00:58.51 | Dolby | your not on when I'm on |
| 01:00.05 | Sargeras | regardless |
| 01:00.10 | Sargeras | my plot still stands |
| 01:00.41 | Sargeras | I found that pic in an album that was linked in Brittney's IRC |
| 01:00.51 | Sargeras | fortunately, Brittney wasnt in the channel at the time |
| 01:02.51 | Neo|Other | sshot or it didn't happen |
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| 01:18.36 | p3lim | Is there some way to lock the text in an editbox (simply disables you from beeing able to write in it) |
| 01:19.48 | p3lim | and not :EnableKeyboard(false), cause its supposed to be able to copy the text in it |
| 01:20.57 | cbreak | you can restore it if it changes I guess |
| 01:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | this is probably a horrible way to do it, but uh, add a handler for OnTextChanged and.. restore it. |
| 01:24.42 | p3lim | and how exactly could I restore it? |
| 01:24.51 | p3lim | (never made an editbox before) |
| 01:26.06 | NightHawkTheSane | myEditBox:SetText(constantText) ? |
| 01:26.48 | p3lim | the text is changed too |
| 01:26.55 | p3lim | sec ill show you the whole shabang |
| 01:27.27 | p3lim | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94299 |
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| 01:34.36 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: you might look at BugSack, it's got an editbox that doesn't let you change the text in it. |
| 01:34.50 | p3lim | hm |
| 01:35.18 | NightHawkTheSane | but, basically, what it does is use the OnTextChanged handler, and just do if this:GetText ~= someText then this:SetText(someText) end |
| 01:35.44 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, I'd recommend checking that out |
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| 01:36.45 | Xuerian | "Hackish" and "Only way possible" are sometimes equivalent |
| 01:38.18 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone remember what the control character for a newline is? ctrl-n? |
| 01:41.10 | p3lim | ah thanks NightHawkTheSane, got it working now |
| 01:43.17 | NightHawkTheSane | np |
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| 01:51.51 | d3MMoNuL | anyone got some free time to explaint something about TourGuide? |
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| 02:01.35 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 | Comic Contest at WoWI: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17790 |
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| 02:06.05 | Thunder_Child | ~qq Shirik |
| 02:06.06 | purl | CRY MOAR Shirik |
| 02:06.19 | Shirik | took you long enough |
| 02:06.30 | Thunder_Child | hey, i had to wait till purl came back |
| 02:06.35 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:06.37 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:08.52 | adam_sc | ^^ |
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| 02:10.54 | Mike-N-Go | Yay, I got me beta key! |
| 02:11.01 | dread | congrats! |
| 02:11.20 | Mike-N-Go | Only take, like.. 10 more hours to download the client. |
| 02:12.10 | smcn | that's why i downloaded the client when the first version went up on wotlkwiki :P |
| 02:12.14 | NightHawkTheSane | should have downloaded it ahead of time ;) |
| 02:12.31 | Mike-N-Go | Can those sites be trusted *gasp* |
| 02:13.03 | Xuerian | If you don't trust them... |
| 02:13.08 | Xuerian | YOUR BETA DRIVE IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH |
| 02:13.12 | Xuerian | ~epicfail Mike-N-Go |
| 02:13.24 | Xuerian | purl? |
| 02:13.28 | Xuerian | ~fail Mike-N-Go |
| 02:13.28 | purl | Mike-N-Go, you Fail! |
| 02:13.31 | Mike-N-Go | Moo. |
| 02:13.32 | Xuerian | fail, purl. |
| 02:13.55 | Mike-N-Go | Xuerian: You needed someone else to tell me I failed? Ehh? |
| 02:14.05 | Mike-N-Go | something, rather. |
| 02:14.13 | Xuerian | Mike-N-Go: It's better if purl does it. I don't like getting my hands dirty, dealing with fail. |
| 02:14.15 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, 2 word i belive |
| 02:14.21 | Thunder_Child | ~epic fail Xuerian |
| 02:14.21 | purl | Xuerian, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Xuerian, you are that epic failure. |
| 02:14.27 | Thunder_Child | words* |
| 02:14.30 | Xuerian | ... touche', salesman. |
| 02:14.48 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 02:15.04 | Xuerian | No, not really. But I said it anyway. |
| 02:15.08 | Thunder_Child | if i cant remember it's rather sad |
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| 02:18.53 | Kyahx | Cairenn: #584, got my key. So the second batch is out |
| 02:19.00 | Cairenn | yay |
| 02:19.05 | Kyahx | :) |
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| 02:28.34 | Mike-N-Go | Cairenn: Thanks for helping us get our keys! |
| 02:28.45 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: you're welcome :) |
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| 02:29.54 | Mike-N-Go | I am in the process of putting all my gold and trade goods onto one of my 70s, so I can have a head start on the beta server :) |
| 02:32.19 | Cide | so um |
| 02:32.43 | Cide | why do I get "Skipped '.'" from svn, when doing svn up in a working copy? |
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| 02:34.47 | Dreagar | hey ya'll. how do i find out when a character has 10% rested ? |
| 02:35.21 | Sixen | (Total EXP * .10) = X |
| 02:35.23 | Sixen | Total EXP - X |
| 02:35.25 | Sixen | yeyeye |
| 02:35.36 | Dreagar | i see api for get rested which just returns if they're reseted or not.. and the xpexhaustion but i don't know how to use that to figure out the amount of rested. |
| 02:36.04 | Dreagar | well that tells you what's 10% of the total xp right? |
| 02:36.18 | Dreagar | i need to know when they're 10% rested or lower. |
| 02:38.22 | Dreagar | I see GetRestState() and GetXPExhaustion() but that's the only ones i can find referring to rested state. :( |
| 02:41.07 | Dreagar | hmm. if i'm reading it right. GetXPExhaustion will give the amount of rested XP, which is reduced by the amount of XP Gained from a kill, plus the amount of rested XP gained.. so i can do 10percent = GetXPExhaustion() - (GetXPExhaustion() * .10) |
| 02:41.11 | Dreagar | ? |
| 02:41.47 | Dreagar | the problem i see is that GetXPExhuastion decreases with each kill. |
| 02:41.58 | Dreagar | so.. that probably wont work. |
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| 02:42.35 | Dreagar | basically i have a data gatherer that i don't want to collect any data if the character is over 10% rested. |
| 02:43.44 | Dreagar | any ideas? right now i have it setup so that it does'nt collect at all if the character is rested. |
| 02:44.06 | Dreagar | and i wanna collect from 10% rested on down because the amount you're getting is much lower? |
| 02:45.17 | Mooninaut | you want to combine GetXPExhaustion with UnitXP and UnitXPMax |
| 02:47.01 | Mooninaut | something like if GetXPExhaustion() / UnitXPMax("player") < 0.1 then something |
| 02:47.21 | Dreagar | hmm. math just kills me sometimes. lol. so i find out how much xp max, and how much xp they have so far. that'll give me what's left over to get. then xpexhaustion will tell me how much rested they have to go, but.. what happens when the rested goes into the next level? |
| 02:47.30 | ReAn | anyone know if Recount has a 3.0 branch yet? |
| 02:47.49 | kd3 | #wowace might know |
| 02:48.14 | ReAn | nobody's home :p |
| 02:48.51 | Dreagar | i think i'll go with that moon. i can't think of another way to do it. |
| 02:49.31 | Mooninaut | xpexhaustion doesn't care about levels, it just returns the amount of xp |
| 02:50.54 | Dreagar | right, so i guess it wont make a difference then if you change levels it'll just rework it. |
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| 02:52.03 | Mooninaut | if you have, say, 1000 rested xp, and you have 500 xp to the next level, then UnitXPMax - UnitXP will be 500 and GetXPExhaustion will return 1000 |
| 02:53.28 | Dreagar | so that'll return 2 which is more than .1 so it wont work. |
| 02:54.15 | Dreagar | but then you change level and there's like unitxpmax - unitxp = 5000 but rested xp will be 500 at that point. |
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| 02:55.12 | Dreagar | hmm perhaps we need to switch UnitXPMax-UnitXp/GetXPExhaustion < .1 |
| 02:55.19 | Thunder_Child | lol @ minimap quest |
| 02:56.11 | Mooninaut | Why exactly do you care whether the player has less than 1/10 rested xp?a |
| 02:57.30 | Dreagar | well i have a data collector i wrote for someones website they're puttin up. it collects data on what the player does while leveling. and he doesn't want the data collected from ppl when they're more than 10% rested because that data will always prove to be faster than those who don't have rested. so to even the playing field.. only under 10% rested. |
| 02:57.41 | Dreagar | right now it's set to not collect anything if the player is reseted at all.l |
| 02:58.14 | Corrodias | heheh... it would never have gathered any data from my hunter until he hit 70, then |
| 02:58.42 | Corrodias | the data will be... faster? |
| 02:59.12 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're concern is about the rate of exp gain from kills due to rested.. that's really easy to factor out |
| 02:59.48 | NightHawkTheSane | although, it probably irrevocably skews time per level calculations. |
| 03:00.07 | Dreagar | well basically . think of it as a contest. to see who gets to 70 fastest. and collect every thing they do and the locations they do it while they level. |
| 03:00.56 | selckin | the 10% is still flawed, you can regen to 10% every time to get to it |
| 03:00.59 | Dreagar | yes it's best to do things rested and fastest. but if others see what they did and wanna do the same thing, if they're not as rested as the other player at every point, theyll get behind or ahead. |
| 03:01.15 | Corrodias | and rested experience biases this toward fighting mobs instead of turning in quests |
| 03:01.31 | Corrodias | yet, how many people level quickly without using rested experience? :( |
| 03:01.39 | selckin | everyone |
| 03:01.47 | selckin | getting rested takes weeks |
| 03:01.48 | Dreagar | this is true. it collects, every quest mob killed, every quest item gotten, every quest accepted, and turned in. |
| 03:01.49 | Corrodias | and how many people do ALL of their levelling unrested, instead of just fighting mobs while rested and turning in quests afterward? |
| 03:02.12 | Corrodias | selckin: people with one character under 70 maybe... even then, you have to sleep some time. did you know that rested experience is gained quickly while logged off in a "resting" zone? |
| 03:02.27 | Dreagar | it takes 6 days to get fully rested. |
| 03:02.33 | Dreagar | in an inn or city |
| 03:03.17 | Dreagar | so we figured to take that into accounta nd make it more fair and easier to show, to just collect data when they're 10% rested or lower. |
| 03:03.19 | selckin | Corrodias: while turn in quests after? rested xp doesn't count for quest xp |
| 03:03.58 | Corrodias | selckin: because you're too busy -doing- quests and killing monsters. i very seldom went back to town with just one quest completed. |
| 03:05.23 | Dreagar | so you can see why i'm in a bit of a quandry. the only other thing i can think to do, is to collected rested XP with each kill, and then let the person who's doin the database figure out how to take it into account. lol |
| 03:05.33 | Mooninaut | yeah that's what I was about to suggest |
| 03:06.20 | Corrodias | you can also use "how much does this person use rested experience to level?" as part of the data, indeed |
| 03:07.15 | Neuro_Medivh | just curious, why not keep a running tally on all rested xp gained, and then factor that in at the end? |
| 03:08.25 | Neuro_Medivh | by breaking down quest xp vs (normal combat xp and rested combat xp) you should get an accurate view |
| 03:08.29 | Dreagar | i'm gonna have to take it up with the guy who's runni nthe thing i'd much rather just do it that way, OR simply cut the exp in half when rested. :) |
| 03:09.08 | Neuro_Medivh | is he trying to find the fasted way to level, or the least time played? |
| 03:09.21 | Dreagar | yes medivh. lol |
| 03:09.32 | Dreagar | in essence the two should be the same. |
| 03:09.32 | Neuro_Medivh | cause if you're trying to level fast in overall time, you shouldn't ever have more than 10% rested xp |
| 03:09.36 | Neuro_Medivh | No |
| 03:09.40 | Neuro_Medivh | one is in real-time |
| 03:09.54 | Dreagar | oh . well it's all based upon /played. |
| 03:10.27 | Dreagar | basically it'll show the top 5 /played times. for the requested level range. |
| 03:10.49 | Dreagar | and show the player profile for each entry as well as everything they did involving leveling. |
| 03:11.09 | Neuro_Medivh | make sure he breaks it down by class and race too, cause the absolute fastest leveler will be BE Hunters, assuming 1-80 |
| 03:11.18 | Dreagar | of course. :) |
| 03:11.29 | NightHawkTheSane | how will it account for grouping? |
| 03:11.30 | Dreagar | class race server and even locale |
| 03:11.49 | Dreagar | omg. there's a exp bonus for grouping isnt there?? |
| 03:11.52 | Dreagar | SOB |
| 03:11.54 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 03:12.09 | NightHawkTheSane | well, not just that, but there's the practical aspect that some quests literally go faster when grouping |
| 03:12.15 | NightHawkTheSane | or slower, alternately |
| 03:12.22 | Neuro_Medivh | a 2 man team can level faster than 2 individuals |
| 03:12.35 | NightHawkTheSane | typically, yes |
| 03:12.40 | Dreagar | ... yeah, this is true. haven't even thought about grouping. *sigh* before i go on to that subject tho... hehe |
| 03:12.48 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 03:12.54 | Neuro_Medivh | past 2, you get into issues about overkilling a quest area |
| 03:13.07 | Dreagar | is it an ok idea to simply cut the xp gained for kills in half when the player is rested at all? |
| 03:13.19 | Neuro_Medivh | to what end? |
| 03:13.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well, the combat log entry actually tells you what bonus they got from rested |
| 03:13.39 | Neuro_Medivh | to give an adjusted time /played? |
| 03:13.43 | Dreagar | that should give the exp you'll get .. without rested.. but damnit it'll screw things up when you get to making a level and hell. |
| 03:13.49 | Dreagar | that screws it all up |
| 03:14.10 | NightHawkTheSane | (the complexity of his task begins to dawn on him..) :P |
| 03:14.26 | Dreagar | LOL. it's done that quite a few times with other things night. lol |
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| 03:15.06 | kd3 | rofl. my first time ever seeing az and I'm sacrifice #1. |
| 03:15.07 | Neuro_Medivh | why try to at all? Just track their played time. There's always workarounds to improve your performance (having people PL you for instance) |
| 03:15.13 | Dreagar | honestly i think we should simply show rested time, and have a disclaimer that says somethin like 'this person was ** rested, your times may vary". |
| 03:16.25 | Dreagar | it tracks their played time at every death, and level up. becasue the only way i've gfound to get played time is to make it print out in your chat frame and it would be a pain to make it do that for every little thing u do. i think it covers for our purposes tho |
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| 03:19.52 | Dreagar | yeah, i'm thinkin we're just gonna have to live with rested xp, especially withthe other stuff ya'll suggested that people can do. hmm. ah gotta put the kid to bed. i'll come back later and see if i can get my friend to sit down and talk or if i gotta wait till tommorrow. |
| 03:20.17 | Dreagar | Thanks guys. :) i just may be back to figure out things anyways. |
| 03:20.21 | Dreagar | bbl. :) |
| 03:26.02 | kd3 | whee. now I can legitimately say I've seen t6 content. 4/5 hyj |
| 03:29.01 | NightHawkTheSane | grats |
| 03:32.00 | Shirik | grats kd3 |
| 03:32.17 | kd3 | now to work on getting attuned. >.> |
| 03:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Good times |
| 03:42.15 | Thunder_Child | ~laser |
| 03:42.16 | purl | rumour has it, laser is Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation |
| 03:42.46 | Thunder_Child | ~los |
| 03:42.47 | purl | i guess los is Line of Sight or Loss of Signal |
| 03:43.32 | Neuro_Medivh | ~scuba |
| 03:43.39 | Neuro_Medivh | =( |
| 03:43.51 | Thunder_Child | ~c3 |
| 03:44.37 | Shirik | You have entered too many instances recently. |
| 03:44.40 | Shirik | w...t....f.... |
| 03:44.46 | Thunder_Child | ~wow |
| 03:44.46 | purl | Let's go raid! |
| 03:44.52 | Duman | y halo thar |
| 03:44.53 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:45.00 | Thunder_Child | ~wow |
| 03:45.01 | purl | I have no life |
| 03:45.09 | kd3 | ~factinfo wow |
| 03:45.09 | purl | wow -- last modified at Mon Jul 28 21:24:27 2008 by amro!n=amro@li37-20.members.linode.com; it has been requested 55 times, last by Thunder_Child, 8s ago. |
| 03:45.11 | Thunder_Child | ~literal wow |
| 03:45.12 | purl | "wow" is "<reply>(I have no life|Let's go raid!)" |
| 03:45.31 | Thunder_Child | there really really could be more of them |
| 03:46.10 | Neuro_Medivh | I'd volunteer to add some, but they'd be obscure and/or profane most likely |
| 03:46.38 | Thunder_Child | works for me |
| 03:49.08 | Neuro_Medivh | TC, did you know there's a song called "Thunder Child" from the War of the Worlds musical? |
| 03:49.32 | Thunder_Child | yes, Iriel pointed it out |
| 03:49.50 | Duman | stupid world server |
| 03:49.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Question for any ~t6 geared people who've reached 75+ in beta.. how much gear have you replaced? and with what? quest rewards or instance drops? |
| 03:49.57 | Neuro_Medivh | it's horribly 70's though |
| 03:55.58 | smcn | NightHawkTheSane: i've playing my DK pretty exclusively but i've looked through some of the quest rewards and nothing is really an upgrade for my druid... not t6 per se, but the only upgrades are from archi & the last half of bt for him :P |
| 03:56.48 | smcn | i don't think many people are going to be "upgrading" to greens |
| 03:57.20 | smcn | unless they really like haste.. :P in howling fjord like 90% of the plate quest rewards have haste |
| 03:57.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, i'm not expecting it, I'm just wondering how stuff has scaled, and whether I'm off my rocker looking at the caster mail and thinking "Yeah.. my t5/6 is still better.." |
| 03:59.04 | smcn | i did get http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=35602 out of the nexus though... compare to http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=30979 with 10 str gems :P |
| 04:00.24 | NightHawkTheSane | not sure what the agi:crit ratio is, but it looks comparable |
| 04:02.05 | smcn | dungeons are the most likely place a higher-geared person would actually find a gear upgrade but each boss only has 2-3 items on their loot table |
| 04:02.25 | smcn | which i like... definitely a lot more consistant |
| 04:04.19 | batrick | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsU3B0W3TMs |
| 04:04.30 | batrick | ^ amazing |
| 04:04.59 | Shirik | YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS behind |
| 04:05.05 | Shirik | but yes, awesome |
| 04:05.19 | batrick | WOW FINE SHIRIK |
| 04:05.25 | Shirik | OK THEN |
| 04:05.26 | batrick | GO FIX FILUM KTHX |
| 04:06.04 | Dreagar | that's pretty sweet bat. |
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| 04:21.24 | kd3 | whee, exalted consortium. where to next? |
| 04:21.54 | NightHawkTheSane | mag'har? |
| 04:22.07 | kd3 | kurenai was outland exalted rep #2 for me |
| 04:22.13 | NightHawkTheSane | sporeggar? |
| 04:22.20 | kd3 | #5? |
| 04:22.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ... timbermaw hold. |
| 04:22.44 | kd3 | probably. good source of runecloth so I can rep up with exodar too |
| 04:26.12 | smcn | and there's an achievement for exalted with spore, mag, and timbermaw :) |
| 04:26.27 | smcn | mag/kur* |
| 04:27.00 | NightHawkTheSane | thats why i suggested it :P |
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| 04:27.36 | NightHawkTheSane | that ALMOST makes me want to do it.. |
| 04:28.42 | kd3 | bad thing is... I'm just barely into friendly. at 70. |
| 04:39.18 | Wobster | so what do the achievements net you? |
| 04:39.41 | Wobster | tickertape parades? Statues of yourself in heroic poses? |
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| 04:44.49 | kd3 | nothing but a bigger number in the /ach window |
| 04:52.22 | batrick | kd3: if you are trying to get alliance rep you should turn in blood and armor scraps in AV |
| 04:52.32 | batrick | I got exalted with all horde factions over the course of about 2 weeks |
| 04:56.18 | Xuerian | I realized that when I was playing on my 60 twink-ish shammy |
| 04:56.31 | Xuerian | I was getting abhorrently high rep |
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| 04:57.43 | Elessdy | i would have tried, but i could never kill anyone |
| 04:57.43 | Duman | grr |
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| 04:57.50 | Duman | beta client keeps crashing @ wintergarde |
| 04:58.25 | ccox | hopefully you're not using the Macintosh beta client -- disconnects if you fire a cannon, dragon breath, etc. |
| 04:58.58 | ccox | (which makes it near impossible to level a death knight) |
| 04:59.03 | Corrodias | i would have tried, but i could never kill anyone |
| 04:59.06 | Duman | nope, PC |
| 04:59.23 | Duman | didn't have this issue on the Rogue, so it might be a DK-specific thing |
| 04:59.26 | Elessdy | wow |
| 04:59.36 | Duman | I was wondering if it was corrupted data or something |
| 05:00.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: i never had that problem, oddly |
| 05:00.24 | ccox | Nighthawk - hmm, that's odd |
| 05:00.38 | ccox | Nighthawk - according to the forums, it's a common Mac client bug |
| 05:00.43 | NightHawkTheSane | only issue i've had has been crashing over hinterlands, and certain spots in HFP |
| 05:00.59 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i've seen |
| 05:01.29 | Duman | hmm |
| 05:01.34 | Duman | wtf is the name of the beta installed? |
| 05:01.36 | Duman | *installer |
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| 05:09.35 | Thunder_Child | ~seen iriel |
| 05:09.36 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3d 6h 21m 25s ago, saying: 'yes'. |
| 05:10.46 | Unregistered | Hey im on a Mac computer and i was tring to Get the quest helper addon and when i go to install addon it tells me to chose a folder and when i do it says "The directory selected does not seem to be a valid addon as no toc file was located" can someone tell me what that means and what i need to do to fix it? |
| 05:11.27 | Unregistered | Please.. |
| 05:11.41 | kd3 | which quest helper addon? |
| 05:11.49 | Thunder_Child | thats odd, most addons dont require another addon to install |
| 05:11.54 | kd3 | where are you trying to install it? |
| 05:12.09 | Unregistered | what do you mean where? |
| 05:12.30 | Thunder_Child | where = the palce it tells you to choose a folder |
| 05:12.33 | Thunder_Child | place* |
| 05:14.00 | Unregistered | it just take me to what looks like Macintosh HD and says chose a folder and its out of all the folders in this file |
| 05:14.20 | kd3 | ok, better question. what are you trying to install? where'd you download it from? |
| 05:15.22 | Unregistered | i downloaded it from Cosmos and im trying to install an addon for worldofwarcraft |
| 05:16.16 | kd3 | the install location should be /Applications/World of Warcraft/Interface/AddOns/ |
| 05:16.37 | Thunder_Child | kd3, is that default or required on a mac? |
| 05:16.47 | kd3 | if you're running the cosmos installer, it's just in the world of warcraft folder |
| 05:16.51 | kd3 | tc; that's the default |
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| 05:17.41 | Unregistered | Yeah it is required for a mac cuz my friend got it and hes on a mac hes the one who showed me it |
| 05:18.08 | Unregistered | ok.. |
| 05:18.38 | kd3 | whttp://www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos_FAQ#Where_do_I_start.3F_.28Installation.29 |
| 05:20.03 | ScytheBlade1 | 43DPS short of 2,000 DPS :( |
| 05:20.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Fourty-three... |
| 05:20.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I'm going to go cry now for being that depressingly close |
| 05:20.53 | Unregistered | a cosmos thing poped up on my desktop and when i click it it takes me to a cosmos pacher and it downloads the addon and then it says manage addons and then i click check all and click install addon then it tells me to chose a folder and the i chose it it says what i told you eayrler |
| 05:20.58 | Duman | hmm |
| 05:21.20 | Duman | I guess I must have deleted the original wotlk patch, wtf. |
| 05:21.37 | Unregistered | Yeah i dont get it... |
| 05:22.12 | kd3 | are you using the cosmos patcher or did you just get the .zip? |
| 05:22.41 | Unregistered | cosmos pacther |
| 05:24.09 | kd3 | is it telling you to "Please Select the World of Warcraft folder."? |
| 05:25.19 | Unregistered | no it says Plaese slect the addon's folder you wish to install |
| 05:26.48 | Unregistered | does that mean like chos that perexsisting folder or any folder? |
| 05:27.11 | Shirik | you know |
| 05:27.19 | Shirik | the cosmos irc client really needs to ask you what nick to use |
| 05:27.20 | Shirik | or something |
| 05:27.53 | Unregistered | Huh? |
| 05:27.56 | kd3 | Unregistered, presumably. I'm not all that familiar with the cosmos client |
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| 05:28.47 | Unregistered | so what do you supose i do <kd3>? |
| 05:29.05 | kd3 | oh. I see what it's trying to do. if you downloaded the addon separately, point to cosmos installer to that folder. go back a step and choose "install cosmos" |
| 05:30.19 | Unregistered | it only says uninstall cosmos, i think i aready did. |
| 05:30.39 | kd3 | then try starting wow and checking if it got installed |
| 05:31.23 | Unregistered | well it also says Pacth cosmos highlighted , manage addons , run test wow "but i cant click it", and run wow |
| 05:31.34 | kd3 | don't run test wow. run regular wow |
| 05:31.56 | Unregistered | so click "Run WOW"? |
| 05:32.10 | kd3 | ya. or exit the patcher and run wow the way you normally do |
| 05:32.50 | Unregistered | ok, but the thing id i need to manage the addons... OH i think i get it now! |
| 05:33.08 | Unregistered | i think i need to install more then one addon at a time |
| 05:33.47 | Unregistered | because it says addonS not addon |
| 05:35.14 | kd3 | the manage addons button is for stuff you've already installed |
| 05:35.22 | kd3 | and non-cosmos addons |
| 05:35.38 | Unregistered | and when i click manage addons it shows a graph of all of the addonattachments and whne i click "check all" then install addon |
| 05:36.06 | Unregistered | it tell me to chose a file |
| 05:36.10 | Unregistered | tells* |
| 05:37.33 | Unregistered | but it under cosmos on the graph it says yes to everything and under blizzard its no to evrything and to protected it yes and disabled its no |
| 05:37.54 | kd3 | don't worry about that |
| 05:37.55 | Unregistered | no it sorry |
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| 05:40.53 | Unregistered | ok but whta i was trying to say it when i click Install addon on addon manager it tells me to chose a file then it says the directory selected doesnt seem to be a vaild addon as no toc file was located thing but after that i click addon manager again and nothing saved so i dont think it will be on when i run wow |
| 05:42.27 | kd3 | you shouldn't mess with the addon manager |
| 05:42.41 | kd3 | just clicking "install cosmos" should've been all you needed |
| 05:43.02 | Unregistered | you think i should go to the cosmos site and get more then 1 addon and reinstall it and see if it works cuz i see no other way of why its not working |
| 05:43.12 | Unregistered | ... ok well ill try to run wow then |
| 05:43.41 | Unregistered | oh and where will it say if it worked or not? |
| 05:44.04 | kd3 | when you start wow and get to the character select screen, if you see a button in the lower-left called "addons", something got installed |
| 05:44.20 | Unregistered | ok brb |
| 05:45.10 | Unregistered | nope nothing |
| 05:45.27 | kd3 | then click 'uninstall cosmos', let it do its thing, then reinstall cosmos. |
| 05:45.37 | Unregistered | ok |
| 05:45.55 | Unregistered | ok wait a sec |
| 05:46.32 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Cosmos_FAQ |
| 05:48.42 | Unregistered | when i clicked run wow and then nothing happened and then clicked cosmos again on the desktop it installed itsself like it was already being uninstalled and then once its done it goes right to the launcher and i tryed loggin on again and nothing happened again do idk |
| 05:49.18 | Unregistered | so idk* |
| 05:50.29 | Unregistered | whats that site for |
| 05:50.30 | Unregistered | ? |
| 05:52.11 | Unregistered | got anymore ideas?.... and i really apreciate the help btw |
| 05:55.25 | Unregistered | youg |
| 05:55.37 | Unregistered | you there? |
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| 06:23.11 | Thunder_Child | someone buy me a EOS 5D MK II please |
| 06:30.08 | Wobster | sure, send me the cash, and I'll have it shipped over here, then shipped over to you. |
| 06:30.37 | Wobster | I really like the 5D I use |
| 06:32.17 | Thunder_Child | the new one is realy rather nice, but i dont want to shell out ~$2500 |
| 06:32.49 | Thunder_Child | and no Wobster, the point was for soemone to buy it FOR me. but thanks for playing |
| 06:32.56 | Thunder_Child | someone* |
| 06:34.46 | Wobster | that's fine |
| 06:34.56 | Wobster | I can buy it for you, you just have to front the money =P |
| 06:36.46 | Duman | err |
| 06:36.51 | Duman | who is on beta that can ginvite my priest |
| 06:37.03 | Duman | forgot to look at the guild list before signing off :) |
| 06:37.13 | erikd | i think i can |
| 06:37.19 | erikd | what's your priest's name? |
| 06:37.29 | Wobster | spartacus |
| 06:37.31 | Duman | huzur |
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| 06:41.16 | ccox | Thunder - I'll stick with the 1Ds Mk III |
| 06:41.53 | Thunder_Child | thats about $4500 more than the other, i'll wait |
| 06:42.10 | ccox | yes, but it's out now (and has the pro features I need) |
| 06:42.18 | Thunder_Child | though i think i might pick up the 40D |
| 06:42.26 | ccox | oh, and hella fast focusing |
| 06:42.33 | Thunder_Child | the 5D will be out sept 8th |
| 06:42.37 | ccox | 40d is a pretty good deal |
| 06:42.40 | Thunder_Child | noth that long away |
| 06:42.43 | Thunder_Child | not* |
| 06:43.03 | Thunder_Child | ya, i have an xti atm but i wanted to move up |
| 06:43.10 | ccox | (as long as you don't do wide angle) |
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| 07:06.19 | Thunder_Child | actually ccox, i would take the 5D over the 1Ds for the 25,600 ISO |
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| 07:07.55 | ccox | Thunder - how often are you going to shoot something by candlelight in a cave? |
| 07:08.32 | Thunder_Child | ccox, more like no flash in a dark room full of people |
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| 07:16.42 | ccox | thunder - for that, I usually get by with 800 to 1600 iso |
| 07:16.51 | ccox | thunder - and 3200 iso for the astronomy shots |
| 07:21.06 | Thunder_Child | ccox, hah, 1600 iso + stableazation (sp?) of some kind still results in blurry/shakey shots (this is all hand held) |
| 07:21.06 | batbot | Thunder_Child, nothing found. |
| 07:21.16 | Thunder_Child | stableization (sp?) |
| 07:21.16 | batbot | Thunder_Child, nothing found. |
| 07:21.28 | ccox | thunder - stabilization |
| 07:21.29 | Thunder_Child | i knew there was a reason my english teachers hated me |
| 07:22.12 | ccox | thunder - hmm, are you shooting a dark rave, or with slow glass? |
| 07:22.43 | Thunder_Child | no, and i dont go below F3.5 at best |
| 07:23.24 | ccox | and on the usefulness of that high ISO - wait for dpreview to post samples... |
| 07:24.38 | Thunder_Child | meh, i'm not going to get it anyway baring a pile of money landing in my lap |
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| 07:52.17 | ccox | also, if you believe the rumors, you won't be able to get one until June |
| 07:53.55 | Thunder_Child | are you sure thats not the 50D? |
| 07:54.24 | ccox | I was just looking at the 5d rumors |
| 07:56.15 | Thunder_Child | ccox, http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=28988490 |
| 07:56.55 | ccox | I did a google search on "canon 5d mark II" |
| 07:57.32 | Thunder_Child | well, whatever happens happens |
| 07:59.09 | ccox | yep |
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| 09:07.24 | Punkie | Can anyone tell me if you load an addon with the interface version of 30000 in normal wow, will it still load? |
| 09:09.28 | clad|sleep | it'll show as out of date, afaik |
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| 09:13.46 | haste | what clad|sleep says is correct |
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| 09:23.13 | Punkie | but if you load out of date addons they load? or because it's 3xxxx it won't? |
| 09:23.16 | Corrodias | am i allowed to fall in love with Bashiok, their d3 forum poster? |
| 09:23.42 | Corrodias | just from reading news posts on a fan site that quote him/her |
| 09:24.14 | cncfanatics | anyone can help me with castyeller ? I can't get it to work |
| 09:25.15 | Corrodias | as i recall, addons with the wrong "major version" refuse to load even with the override box checked |
| 09:25.40 | Punkie | I thought as much |
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| 09:46.39 | Corrodias | he mentions having a goatee, so i suppose he's probably male |
| 09:48.04 | Wobin | You're making assumptions there |
| 09:48.28 | Corrodias | i said probably >_> |
| 09:48.42 | Wobin | She could have a goatee |
| 09:48.45 | Wobin | and keeps it in a box |
| 09:48.51 | Corrodias | nice |
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| 09:59.33 | Corrodias | this->sleep(); |
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| 10:17.07 | leethal | beta =D |
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| 10:21.08 | haste | :D |
| 10:21.59 | g0urra | D: |
| 10:23.13 | Cairenn | :) |
| 10:23.38 | g0urra | 6_9 |
| 10:24.29 | zenzio | that looks a bit exaggerated g0urra |
| 10:24.37 | g0urra | 9_6 |
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| 10:28.30 | Maldivia | *smirk* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ1st1Vw2kY - now that's EA marketing doing a mighty fine job :) |
| 10:30.16 | g0urra | lmao |
| 10:32.01 | |pez| | Hah |
| 10:32.03 | |pez| | that's great |
| 10:33.19 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 10:34.38 | leethal | downloading client D= |
| 10:35.37 | leethal | I got a 3.0.1.8788, but it goes "Unable to validate game version." |
| 10:35.59 | Maldivia | eu client, us servres? |
| 10:37.08 | leethal | oh kek right |
| 10:37.15 | leethal | I was supposed to use my account name, not my e-mail address |
| 10:37.22 | leethal | even though the field says e-mail address |
| 10:38.07 | leethal | works with account name |
| 10:42.35 | leethal | any <Tainted and Secure> peeps around? =) |
| 10:43.12 | Kalroth | I'm tainted and insecure. |
| 10:43.29 | haste | leethal: I can log on |
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| 11:01.39 | leethal | where did mocking blow go? |
| 11:02.39 | zenzio | go? |
| 11:02.52 | leethal | don't have it in the spellbook |
| 11:02.59 | leethal | don't have intercept either |
| 11:03.04 | zenzio | only thing I've heard about it is that it's available in defensive stance too now |
| 11:03.19 | cladhaire | if the spells changed |
| 11:03.23 | cladhaire | you'll have to go re-learn them |
| 11:03.26 | cladhaire | probably |
| 11:03.29 | leethal | ah, right |
| 11:05.42 | cladhaire | thats all i can think of |
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| 11:11.26 | zenzio | protection for leveling! |
| 11:11.27 | leethal | no more shield slam, interesting |
| 11:11.34 | zenzio | wrong |
| 11:11.39 | zenzio | everyone gets Shield Slam |
| 11:11.45 | zenzio | it's just not a talent anymore |
| 11:12.07 | leethal | nice |
| 11:12.15 | leethal | makes it viable to tank without tank spec, then |
| 11:12.25 | Kalroth | not more than today |
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| 11:47.09 | Bouvi | Morning.... Is it 5 yet? |
| 11:47.33 | Cairenn | ROFL! Gotta love it when they take the time to come up with an amusing subject line for a spam email: "Britney Spears has Fanny Magnets Grafted in to Attract Papparazzi" |
| 11:47.55 | Cairenn | Bouvi: depends on your time zone :p |
| 11:48.16 | Bouvi | Well I am Eastern but where is it 5pm? I want to be there. |
| 11:48.22 | Cairenn | heh |
| 11:48.24 | Cairenn | pacific |
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| 11:48.33 | Bouvi | 5pm not 5am lol |
| 11:48.36 | Cairenn | oh, 5pm |
| 11:48.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 11:48.59 | Bouvi | IF it was 5am I would have to wake up and do it all over again |
| 11:49.02 | Cairenn | sorry, used to working with a 24 hr clock |
| 11:49.19 | Bouvi | OK where is it 1700 |
| 11:49.38 | zenzio | think eastern Europe is close |
| 11:49.43 | Cairenn | somewhere in Europe or Asia |
| 11:49.54 | zenzio | maybe western middle east |
| 11:50.02 | Lyn_ | oO; |
| 11:50.02 | Bouvi | It is noon GMT |
| 11:50.26 | zenzio | yeah, but who gives a damn about GMT? No-one uses it anymore |
| 11:50.31 | Cairenn | aye, so somewhere 5 hrs east of there :p |
| 11:50.34 | zenzio | even the British go by BST |
| 11:50.49 | Bouvi | Pilots use it all the time zenzio. Every pilot in the world does. |
| 11:50.59 | zenzio | I believe they go by UTC |
| 11:51.01 | Cairenn | military still does too |
| 11:51.01 | Bouvi | We call it zulu time as well as GMT. |
| 11:51.12 | Bouvi | zenzio: I am a pilot :D |
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| 11:51.22 | zenzio | that does not change my beliefs |
| 11:51.34 | Cairenn | and I worked with the military - they use GMT, or zulu |
| 11:51.35 | Bouvi | We go by zulu/GMT |
| 11:51.52 | zenzio | GMT and UTC happen to be the same value anyhow, but as far as I'm aware it's politically incorrect to use GMT |
| 11:52.48 | Cairenn | why? |
| 11:54.02 | zenzio | no idea, perhaps because it's too English or whatever |
| 11:54.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 11:54.37 | Punkie | political correctness goes way too far anyway tbh |
| 11:54.49 | zenzio | yes it does |
| 11:55.00 | Bouvi | That is the truth. |
| 11:55.14 | Cairenn | yup |
| 11:55.15 | Punkie | get this, my sister had a sports day at school |
| 11:55.22 | Punkie | and because of all this nonsense |
| 11:55.23 | zenzio | wow |
| 11:55.27 | zenzio | oh, there was more to the story |
| 11:55.33 | Punkie | the parents couldnt cheer on their children |
| 11:55.40 | Punkie | incase it upset other children |
| 11:55.42 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 11:55.46 | doow | wtf? |
| 11:55.52 | Punkie | and also, the school had to buy new equipment |
| 11:55.57 | Cairenn | O.o |
| 11:56.00 | Punkie | so all bats and balls are the exact same size |
| 11:56.02 | g0urra | o.0 |
| 11:56.12 | Punkie | in case parents complained their child had an unfair advantage |
| 11:56.26 | Punkie | also, there is no sack race anymore, they just jump |
| 11:56.33 | g0urra | hahahahaha |
| 11:56.39 | Punkie | and none of that is made up |
| 11:56.46 | Cairenn | probably no 3-legged race any more either then, huh? |
| 11:56.51 | Punkie | no idea |
| 11:56.55 | Punkie | but it's so silly |
| 11:57.20 | Punkie | having to wear eye protection for playing conkers as well! |
| 11:59.53 | Cairenn | the one that got me a while ago was a little girl in like Grade 1 that got suspended from school for hugging a little boy - she was suspended for sexual harassment and inappropriate touching |
| 12:00.37 | Cairenn | she hugged him, that was all - we're talking like 5 yr olds |
| 12:01.36 | Bouvi | Oh crap. I got suspended from work.... Oh wait I am still here. Dangit |
| 12:01.41 | Cairenn | lol |
| 12:01.50 | cbreak | Hugging to get a day off school? Sounds worthwhile |
| 12:02.08 | Cairenn | bloody ridiculous |
| 12:03.50 | doow | Cairenn: here's more stuff like that(mostly ridiculous anti-terrorist stuff though) http://www.rebas.se/writings/ifeelsafenow.shtml |
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| 12:04.03 | Cairenn | on the one hand you've got everyone telling the kids to be nice to each other, peace & love not violence - some school districts do a whole "hugs not drugs" thing - then you've got some other school district suspends a 5 yr old from school for hugging someone |
| 12:05.55 | g0urra | "Crozier said thick textbooks will stop bullets shot from weapons wielded by school intruders. " |
| 12:05.56 | g0urra | roflmao |
| 12:06.29 | g0urra | "It is a practical thing, it's something you can do. It might be a way to deflect those bullets until police go there." |
| 12:06.31 | doow | A 10-year-old girl was arrested and taken to a police station in handcuffs after a pair of scissors were found in her backpack in school... |
| 12:06.35 | Bouvi | Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) is international time, the basis of the world time clock. It helps eliminate confusion across multiple time zones. It is also known as UTC (Coordinated Universal Time). Aviators commonly refer to it as Zulu time. |
| 12:06.43 | cbreak | I have a physics textbook that looks like it can stop more than just bullets |
| 12:06.44 | Bouvi | http://www.aopa.org/path/time.html |
| 12:08.27 | g0urra | "The Nov. 13 letter from La Vega Independent School District stated that the boy, who was 4 years old at the time, was involved in "inappropriate physical behavior interpreted as sexual contact and/or sexual harassment" after the boy hugged a teacher's aide and "rubbed his face in the chest of (the) female employee" on Nov. 10. The boy spent the day in in-school suspension (ISS) as punishment for the incident. " |
| 12:08.35 | g0urra | ...what |
| 12:08.46 | g0urra | watch out for the horny 4-year olds |
| 12:09.18 | Pneumatus | dont know if this is old news, but it looks like the cinematic trailer for LK has been released |
| 12:09.40 | g0urra | old |
| 12:09.47 | cbreak | The average human seems stupid. |
| 12:09.52 | foxlit | "All hail Rune Weapon!" |
| 12:10.03 | krka | the average human is actually of average intelligence |
| 12:10.12 | cbreak | YJtUWs9AxJimb |
| 12:10.20 | cbreak | sure |
| 12:10.38 | cbreak | (look where you put your passwords in :( |
| 12:10.52 | foxlit | now typo the account name to go with that! |
| 12:11.02 | cbreak | no |
| 12:11.46 | cbreak | you couldn't use it anyway, it's local only :) |
| 12:11.54 | cbreak | oh, wait, have to disable ssh :( |
| 12:12.23 | foxlit | in your root, eating your files? |
| 12:13.56 | cbreak | no, root has a different password |
| 12:14.07 | cbreak | my normal account now too :) |
| 12:14.58 | krka | are you trying to impress us with your security mindedness? ... after having posted your password publicly? O_o |
| 12:15.04 | cbreak | no |
| 12:15.15 | cbreak | trying to distract you from trying it until I changed it everywhere :) |
| 12:15.53 | wereHamster | how can you remember such long password? |
| 12:16.09 | krka | post it, duh |
| 12:16.59 | cbreak | my new one is longer. Trying to not post it though :) |
| 12:17.23 | wereHamster | and put the postit into a banksafe. I know the swiss are paranoid |
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| 12:18.19 | cbreak | there's nothing bad at paranoia |
| 12:19.11 | Cairenn | doow: wow, those are just .... wow |
| 12:24.45 | cladhaire | feral /resto druid |
| 12:24.54 | cladhaire | imp rejuv or tranquil spirit? |
| 12:25.46 | cladhaire | and ding 66 |
| 12:26.36 | doow | Cairenn: I know, it's pretty incredible what people can do and think because of stupid rules |
| 12:26.41 | Josh_Borke | grats on 66 for like the 7th time clad |
| 12:26.52 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: P |
| 12:27.05 | cladhaire | i wondewr how many it really is |
| 12:27.06 | Josh_Borke | and obviously you don't want either. you want imp starfire |
| 12:27.15 | Josh_Borke | isn't this like your 3rd or 4th druid? |
| 12:27.25 | foxlit | qq, there's no imp starfire :( |
| 12:27.38 | Josh_Borke | shows how much i know about druids |
| 12:28.40 | cladhaire | Sagart, Draoi (US), Sealgaire |
| 12:28.48 | cladhaire | this is only my fourth at level 66 or higher |
| 12:28.57 | cladhaire | unless you count my alpha death knight |
| 12:28.58 | cladhaire | which we should :P |
| 12:29.30 | cladhaire | its only my second druid, JB |
| 12:29.49 | Maldivia | the wotlk intro looks stunning.... |
| 12:29.51 | foxlit | why would you want two druids? :) |
| 12:30.01 | cladhaire | foxlit: because I can't use my US druid on the EU servers |
| 12:30.06 | foxlit | narrated by a dead guy :/ |
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| 12:32.02 | cladhaire | that is until blizz gives me a way to move my us chars to the eu region |
| 12:33.01 | alestane | Can one define a scoped function in Java, or do all functions have to be methods? |
| 12:33.20 | alestane | i.e. a function local to a method definition. |
| 12:33.23 | doow | alestane: I think you're looking for #java ^^ |
| 12:33.45 | alestane | doow: Probably, but I spend most of my time here and they usually know what I'm talking about. |
| 12:33.55 | doow | alestane: oki =) |
| 12:34.05 | cladhaire | wow, seems like no one is seeding the video |
| 12:34.47 | Josh_Borke | what video? |
| 12:34.52 | krka | yeah, i can't get it either |
| 12:34.57 | alestane | I am a little disappointed in the video for not offering a high-octane segment to showcase the demo characters of the first two, but aside from that it's very impressive. |
| 12:35.28 | foxlit | use the downloader, clad? :) |
| 12:35.37 | foxlit | It'd at least let you use the HTTP stream |
| 12:35.46 | krka | anyone know how to extract a plain torrent? |
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| 12:36.25 | foxlit | If you're on a mac, it's just as simple as opening their .app |
| 12:36.35 | krka | on linux actually |
| 12:39.06 | alestane | krka: I can send you the torrent file. |
| 12:39.48 | krka | thanks |
| 12:40.52 | Maldivia | krka: there's an online flash that does it: http://www.craftymind.com/2008/06/28/web-app-to-extract-torrent-files-out-of-blizzard-downloader/ |
| 12:41.24 | selckin | give torrent :x |
| 12:41.39 | selckin | can't even seem to mount blizzard's .dmg in my linux, others seem to work |
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| 12:52.07 | zenzio | uh ohes |
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| 12:53.41 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
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| 13:04.57 | Lunessa | Gnome-Powa! |
| 13:05.12 | Lopeppeppy | Dino-gnome! |
| 13:05.38 | Wobin | Heros in a half size! |
| 13:05.41 | Wobin | Gnomerpower! |
| 13:05.43 | Lunessa | Gnome+Donosaur+Guns+Boobies = WiN |
| 13:05.44 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 13:05.49 | Cairenn | lol |
| 13:06.25 | Wobin | Dinosaur gnomes with machine gun jubblies? |
| 13:06.27 | Lunessa | I mean, doesn't that hit right at every teen-aged male's interests? |
| 13:06.29 | Wobin | There's a scary image |
| 13:07.49 | Lopeppeppy | Of course, Peppy is always scary. I wins. |
| 13:07.50 | zenzio | I can't say I've ever been interested in dinosaur boobies |
| 13:08.05 | zenzio | besides, most dinosaurs didn't have the arms to handle a gun |
| 13:08.19 | Lopeppeppy | I do. *flex* |
| 13:08.23 | Wobin | That's why they had to build them into their breasts |
| 13:08.32 | MentalPower|Univ | ... |
| 13:11.29 | Lunessa | Did you never read the Malibu Comics Dinosaurs series? I mean, those Dinos had gus, babes, and spaceships ! |
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| 13:12.35 | Wobin | one clip that will -never- get old: http://wongsta.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/pirate-babys-cabana-battle-street-fight/ |
| 13:19.21 | Lunessa | We three kings of orient are... http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/21/funny-pictures-frankensence-and-purr/ |
| 13:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | Awwwww. |
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| 13:24.33 | zenzio | the thing that strikes me about ICHC is that although they've had tons of great ones, still no-one has beaten the "is it can be hugs tiem now plees" picture |
| 13:25.30 | Lopeppeppy | "I made you a cookie but I eated it" |
| 13:25.40 | zenzio | close, but not quite |
| 13:25.58 | zenzio | obviously this is my personal opinion only |
| 13:26.12 | Lopeppeppy | No pictures of gnomes. They lose. |
| 13:26.32 | alestane | I am amused by the way the basic principles of lolcat religion grew out of a crack about "Ceiling cat is watching you masturbate". |
| 13:26.34 | Lunessa | There are some images that just resonate. I have a bunch of them I stored to my HDD because they strike a chord. |
| 13:26.55 | zenzio | I have about 30 I think, for various situations |
| 13:27.04 | Wobin | indeed |
| 13:27.09 | Wobin | lolcat will never get boring |
| 13:27.16 | Wobin | lolcat comments, however... |
| 13:27.20 | Wobin | *stabstabstab* |
| 13:28.09 | Lopeppeppy | Congrats on not-second. |
| 13:28.54 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/11/28/interesting/ -- I've used this a few times in the office |
| 13:29.40 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/202/ just as true for ICHC, I think. |
| 13:30.03 | Lunessa | Oh man... LART malreth "As of patch 1.8, Lunessa is a dude. Modern medicine is amazing. " |
| 13:30.21 | zenzio | O_o |
| 13:30.22 | alestane | ?????? |
| 13:30.42 | alestane | Logically, he is correct. |
| 13:30.59 | alestane | The implications, however, are somewhat skewed. |
| 13:31.05 | Lunessa | context is key I guess: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023658465&sid=1 |
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| 13:32.34 | krka | pretty trailer! |
| 13:32.44 | Lopeppeppy | Wonderful exchange, guys. :) |
| 13:33.03 | Lunessa | Hey, they're making me work days. |
| 13:34.19 | Wobin | alestane: When will people learn? It's only cute when the -cat- says it |
| 13:36.34 | Lopeppeppy | It's cute when Peppy says it, too! :P |
| 13:37.53 | alestane | I actually like that you can see Arthas' face under his helmet. The reminder of his (former) humanity is actually more frightening than making him an evil suit of armor. |
| 13:38.38 | Lunessa | Well, you know... Darth Vader archetype and all that. |
| 13:38.48 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing is as frightening as what we could potentially become -- and that's more realistic when you can see the human under the mask. |
| 13:38.52 | bleeter | anyone else seeing an apache tomcat error? http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/account/ |
| 13:38.55 | alestane | And I suspect that whoever wrote the voiceover mindf--k has been watching Chris Nolan movies. |
| 13:39.34 | Lopeppeppy | *shiver* |
| 13:39.47 | Lunessa | bleeter: Yes |
| 13:40.06 | bleeter | k. thx. temporary account creation for the beta is broken :) |
| 13:40.25 | bleeter | just wanted to make 100% certain it wasn't some freaky client side thing myself and at least two others were seeing hehe |
| 13:41.56 | Lunessa | bleeter: You should report it. Blizzard might not know. |
| 13:42.00 | alestane | But yes, the voiceover is nicely set up do demonstrate just how thoroughly what Arthas is, is a perversion of what he was intended to be. |
| 13:42.28 | bleeter | Lunessa: it's from a thread in US Customer Support forum... just wanted to get confirmation here before asking a GM to pass the info along haha ;) |
| 13:42.34 | Lunessa | alestane: And the best part of it all is that it's a classic element. The savior who won't be. |
| 13:43.03 | cncfanatics | haste: ping |
| 13:43.34 | haste | cncfanatics: pong |
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| 13:44.00 | cncfanatics | what is this frequentUpdates option you mentioned on EJ ? |
| 13:44.13 | krka | i bet it will end with "Arthas Jr, I AM your father" followed by a redemption in a later expansion when he kills some big ass demon boss |
| 13:44.40 | alestane | Lunessa: I've been having a little fun developing classic archetypes into D&D4E destinies (like the Compassionate Martyr, largely inspired by thinking about Aeris in FF7). |
| 13:44.50 | haste | cncfanatics: WotLKs UnitHealth functions have prediction |
| 13:44.59 | cncfanatics | how so ? |
| 13:45.16 | cncfanatics | sounds like quickhealth directly in the blizz UI ? |
| 13:45.27 | haste | enabling frequent udpades will make oUF poll with onupdates |
| 13:45.28 | haste | yes |
| 13:45.45 | cncfanatics | sexy |
| 13:45.55 | cncfanatics | basicly, they're finaly making UnitHealth accurate ? |
| 13:45.55 | Lunessa | alestane: I haven't picked up 4E yet. But I studied writing and story-telling since I wanted very much to be a novelist. And the thing I like about wow is the inclusion of all the classical elements with only a slight shifting for setting. |
| 13:46.07 | haste | yep |
| 13:46.10 | cncfanatics | or how are they "predicting" ? |
| 13:46.13 | haste | it updates between events now |
| 13:46.41 | haste | how should I know :p ? |
| 13:46.42 | cncfanatics | good |
| 13:46.46 | ag` | when did they do that? |
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| 13:46.51 | haste | long ago |
| 13:46.58 | alestane | Lunessa: Actually, Thrall and Arthas make a very interesting contrast to each other. |
| 13:47.03 | ag` | in wotlk or live? |
| 13:47.06 | haste | wotlk |
| 13:47.20 | ag` | okay |
| 13:47.56 | alestane | The young, noble hero who rises to redeem his bestial people, and the fallen savior who has betrayed his destiny. |
| 13:48.33 | Lunessa | alestane: yes. Thrall is the "Reluctant Hero" and the "Sparticus" of the WoW setting. Arthas is very much Oedipus without the sexual undercurrent. |
| 13:48.52 | malreth | oh... but for that undercurrent |
| 13:49.03 | alestane | I'm not sure Oedipus is the right comparison, although I can see where you get it. |
| 13:49.27 | Tenchworks | ~seen tekkub |
| 13:49.29 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 16h 14m 22s ago, saying: 'Hjalte, ^'. |
| 13:49.49 | alestane | I was mostly noticing the way one rises and the other falls. |
| 13:49.57 | Lunessa | Overthrow/destroy the father, become more powerful than he, etc. |
| 13:50.16 | p3lim | wow, the WotLK cinematic is here |
| 13:50.21 | alestane | That part makes sense, but I feel like there's a better example of it. |
| 13:50.44 | alestane | p3lim: Yes, and we're performing literary analysis on it. |
| 13:51.04 | p3lim | < not reading channels atm |
| 13:51.07 | cncfanatics | meh, I don't like the cinematic much |
| 13:51.12 | cncfanatics | just saw it |
| 13:51.17 | Lunessa | It's a classical element, but other examples aren't coming to mind right now. Need breakfast. |
| 13:51.57 | cncfanatics | can anyone explain the cinematic to me decently ? :p |
| 13:52.06 | malreth | cncfanatics: shit happens |
| 13:52.24 | cncfanatics | I supose what we hear is something arthas' father said in the past ? |
| 13:52.30 | malreth | wait... i guess that was actually indecent |
| 13:53.13 | alestane | cncfanatics: It's presumably Terenas teaching Arthas about the responsibilities of royalty. |
| 13:53.41 | cncfanatics | guess arthas didn't pay attention back then alestane :p |
| 13:53.45 | alestane | It's played over the visuals to illustrate just how horribly wrong Arthas' destiny has gone. |
| 13:54.41 | cncfanatics | I wonder if he'll be redeemed in wotlk |
| 13:54.48 | Lopeppeppy | brb, sheeple until lunchish |
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| 13:55.26 | alestane | Lunessa: It's almost an inverted Zeus scenario. |
| 13:55.46 | Lunessa | Yeah, shades of Odin too. |
| 13:55.56 | alestane | I don't know the norse as well. |
| 13:56.17 | Lunessa | Odin kills his father, and trades his eye to the norns for secret knowledge. |
| 13:56.35 | alestane | Odin is actually a fairly dark figure AIUT. |
| 13:57.32 | Lunessa | Yes, but he's also the one who frees Midguard from the giants, and gives humans a path to Valhalla. Bu thten most Norse stories are brutal. |
| 13:58.30 | Lunessa | meeting time. back in a bit. |
| 13:59.20 | cncfanatics | mmm, stories about odin remember me the everworld books |
| 14:00.01 | alestane | The two reasons the Oedipus comparison doesn't work for me: Arthas knowingly and deliberately kills his father, and he abandons his father's legacy rather than seizing it. |
| 14:01.49 | alestane | Interesting, they actualy mention Arthas here: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Patricide |
| 14:03.43 | malreth | hmm... |
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| 14:03.57 | malreth | interesting trailer |
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| 14:04.15 | p3lim | too much talking imo |
| 14:04.42 | malreth | and not enough gnomes |
| 14:04.50 | g0urra | they are there |
| 14:04.57 | g0urra | the undead army rushed them |
| 14:05.26 | p3lim | i liked the comment blizzard did to the tbc movie |
| 14:05.42 | p3lim | 'there were gnomes, they just werent high enough to be seen in the camera' |
| 14:06.14 | alestane | Anyone actually know if Illidan's voice in the cinematic was Alan Rickman? It certainly sounded like him. |
| 14:06.33 | p3lim | like, some random talking fancy words, a dude with a blue sword, a dead bird and lots of skellies.. voilá, game of the year (?) |
| 14:07.00 | p3lim | (yes im beeing negative, aint eaten yet) |
| 14:07.26 | alestane | Well, if you treat the words as background noise, that is indeed what you get. |
| 14:07.29 | malreth | i like this one comment on wowinsider... "So, (Ex-)King Terenas is both Arthas' father, AND the guy who does all the race intros for the game. Who knew?" |
| 14:07.35 | g0urra | p3lim: big dwagon. |
| 14:07.39 | g0urra | not big birdy. |
| 14:07.46 | p3lim | it has wings, its a bird |
| 14:07.58 | g0urra | really? |
| 14:08.13 | g0urra | I CAN FLYYYYY |
| 14:08.25 | p3lim | i tried that once at a party 3 years ago |
| 14:08.33 | p3lim | ended up with a broken left leg |
| 14:08.49 | p3lim | (3rd floor) |
| 14:08.52 | malreth | p3lim: you forgot to put on the cape, didn't you? |
| 14:09.19 | p3lim | yes I did, i had a six-pack carton on my head and two pillows (atleast I think it was pillows, blurry movie) |
| 14:10.33 | bleeter | oO they've moved their webservers off W2k to Linux? |
| 14:10.38 | bleeter | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.blizzard.com |
| 14:10.51 | bleeter | or, maybe just proxies out front or something hehe |
| 14:11.27 | p3lim | why are they using W2k? (i have no clue about servers) |
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| 14:11.54 | g0urra | blizz sites has been using linux servers since, like, forever |
| 14:12.01 | g0urra | except blizzard.com ;> |
| 14:12.11 | Kalroth | yeah, they use Linux on all other sites |
| 14:12.27 | Kalroth | worldofwarcraft.com, wow-europe.com, wowarmory.com, etc. |
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| 14:17.31 | bleeter | why everyone quiet? we all watching the new wotlk cinematic? hehe |
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| 14:18.21 | doow | we are? where? gimme! |
| 14:18.34 | Tenchworks | anyone know what build the beta is currently at? |
| 14:18.48 | selckin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.54 | doow | thanks |
| 14:19.08 | selckin | slow, but faster then blizzard downloader mostly :\ |
| 14:19.42 | cncfanatics | took me 10 mins with blizz dl'er |
| 14:19.48 | bleeter | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/intro.xml |
| 14:19.53 | bleeter | doow: ^^ |
| 14:20.27 | doow | bleeter: ooh, even better =) |
| 14:20.33 | Maldivia | Tenchworks: 8788 |
| 14:20.57 | Tenchworks | woot then I'm onthe last patch |
| 14:22.12 | cncfanatics | haste: are the UnitHealth changes documented anywhere ? |
| 14:22.24 | haste | cncfanatics: no idea |
| 14:22.44 | cncfanatics | I also wonder why they don't trigger the event |
| 14:22.50 | cncfanatics | polling on OnUpdate is ugly |
| 14:23.55 | Maldivia | UnitHealth changes? |
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| 14:24.32 | cncfanatics | seems blizz changed UnitHealth so its more accurate |
| 14:24.33 | haste | Maldivia: unithealth updates between the events in 3.0 |
| 14:25.00 | cncfanatics | haste: any idea why they didn't make the event trigger more often too ? |
| 14:25.11 | haste | none |
| 14:25.17 | cncfanatics | sounds stupid |
| 14:25.41 | haste | maybe the event system has a hardcoded queue? |
| 14:25.57 | cncfanatics | I doubt it |
| 14:26.07 | Maldivia | haste: ohh so, event fires, and UnitHealth doesn't return the correct value until after the event have been handled? |
| 14:26.18 | cncfanatics | Maldivia: atm, thats how it works yes |
| 14:26.26 | haste | what? |
| 14:26.28 | cncfanatics | UnitHealth is only accurate on the frame the event fired on |
| 14:26.34 | cncfanatics | in wotlk it seems that changed |
| 14:26.49 | haste | but it's not 100% accurate between the events on 3.0 |
| 14:27.02 | cncfanatics | I wonder how it works |
| 14:27.06 | cncfanatics | would be nice to have some docs about it |
| 14:27.12 | Maldivia | sure its not just the new guesstimate functionality? |
| 14:27.26 | haste | aren't you a usa-hole :D ? |
| 14:27.28 | Maldivia | the same that makes mana/energy regen seems slooth |
| 14:27.42 | haste | Maldivia: that's not a new function |
| 14:27.44 | foxlit | UnitHealth returns exact values in 3.0 |
| 14:28.02 | Maldivia | haste: well, new compared to 2.x |
| 14:28.03 | cncfanatics | foxlit: AND it also seems to be more accurate :) |
| 14:28.12 | foxlit | Who cares about accuracy :) |
| 14:28.23 | cbreak | it does seem to be accurate in 2.4 |
| 14:28.35 | foxlit | As long as you're not attempting to correlate it with UNIT_HEALTH to try to guess the amount of HP people have, you don't really need it :) |
| 14:29.22 | cbreak | enemy HP seems to return values, not only percentages I thought, in 3.0 |
| 14:29.33 | haste | cbreak: UNIT_HEALTH doesnt fire often enough at times to keep up with changes |
| 14:29.36 | cncfanatics | foxlit: healers care about accuracy :p |
| 14:29.56 | haste | cbreak: and on 2.4 UnitHeatlh always return the last value at UNIT_HEALTH |
| 14:30.03 | cbreak | it's supposed to fire every change |
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| 14:30.11 | haste | but it doesn't |
| 14:30.32 | cncfanatics | cbreak: its throttled |
| 14:30.37 | cbreak | lame. |
| 14:30.37 | cncfanatics | fires every 0.3 sec, not more |
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| 14:35.21 | alestane | So I'm getting the feeling that Java really just wants you to type all integral numaric values as "int". It seems decidedly unfriendly to using "byte" and "short". |
| 14:36.09 | cncfanatics | I've used bytes without prob in java |
| 14:36.27 | Maldivia | yeah, I don't see the problem either? |
| 14:36.29 | alestane | I'm constantly having to explicitly cast things to byte or short. |
| 14:36.40 | Maldivia | ahh, yeah |
| 14:36.45 | alestane | Take a byte, add a constant, get an int. |
| 14:36.56 | malreth | did i get a link posted before disconnecting? |
| 14:36.57 | foxlit | byte + int = int? |
| 14:37.30 | alestane | Try to pass it to a method that takes a byte and get "can't find symbol". |
| 14:37.33 | cncfanatics | hmm yea, I never did that computation so had no issue |
| 14:37.57 | cncfanatics | byte varName = byte + int |
| 14:37.59 | cncfanatics | shld work fine |
| 14:38.01 | cncfanatics | and then pass that |
| 14:38.03 | cncfanatics | or cast it ofc : |
| 14:38.44 | alestane | I can make it all work, I just fell like the compiler is sitting there whispering "just use ints...just use ints..." |
| 14:38.49 | alestane | feel* |
| 14:39.03 | cncfanatics | kinda true :p |
| 14:39.12 | cncfanatics | bytes date back from when we didn't have 4 gigs of mem in our pc's |
| 14:39.18 | cncfanatics | I like to think its always good to be efficient though |
| 14:39.50 | alestane | Right, using 4 bytes to store a 15 value is part of why we now all feel like we need to have 4 gb of ram. |
| 14:39.58 | alestane | a 1-5 value* |
| 14:41.12 | cncfanatics | yea indeed |
| 14:41.54 | cncfanatics | I personaly used bytes to store colors |
| 14:42.00 | cncfanatics | so never had issues with computing with them :) |
| 14:42.27 | Shirik | alestane: I hate java's byte anyway, tbh |
| 14:42.33 | Shirik | I rarely use that type |
| 14:43.19 | alestane | I suppose using it doesn't do much good unless you have several in a row, since it'll just get aligned. |
| 14:43.21 | krka | ints are probably faster to use in calculations than byte or short |
| 14:43.35 | Shirik | krka, perhaps, but when you're trying to work with serial communications |
| 14:43.44 | Shirik | byte arrays would be the way to go |
| 14:43.48 | Shirik | EXCEPT THAT THEY'RE SIGNED |
| 14:43.49 | Shirik | sigh |
| 14:44.00 | krka | for long term storage or communications, byte or short are indeed useful |
| 14:44.06 | krka | for simple calculations and stuff, i just use int |
| 14:44.38 | Shirik | Esamynn|Away: ping |
| 14:45.06 | Maldivia | alestane: you do know that byte and int is the same internally in java, it's only at compile time they are different? |
| 14:45.45 | bleeter | omg... MentalPower... highroller is still winning! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023689361&sid=1 |
| 14:45.55 | bleeter | if guillotine were about, I'd tell him too... haha |
| 14:45.57 | bleeter | too funny |
| 14:46.18 | alestane | So it's basically just a range-checking mechanic? |
| 14:47.00 | Maldivia | yeah |
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| 14:52.08 | Maldivia | alestane: as far as I remember, bytes are stored as ints in Java, except when dealing with arrays |
| 15:00.16 | Shirik | ## SavedVariablesPerCharacter: omaBlades_CheckForGouge, omaBlades_0_MainHandSlot, omaBlades_0_SecondaryHandSlot, omaBlades_1_MainHandSlot, omaBlades_1_SecondaryHandSlot |
| 15:00.22 | Shirik | This is where you go "You're doing it wrong!" right? |
| 15:00.42 | cncfanatics | WTS TABLES |
| 15:01.01 | cncfanatics | Maldivia: so basicly, when using bytes, you're wasting memory anyway ? |
| 15:01.18 | alestane | cncfanatics: Unless you're packing them, sounds like it. |
| 15:01.28 | cncfanatics | why the fuck did the java devs do that ? |
| 15:01.39 | cncfanatics | mine are in an array, so all good, but still, what a fucking idiot idea |
| 15:01.40 | alestane | Ease of implementation, probably. |
| 15:02.14 | alestane | A lot of processors/busses want all values aligned to a multiple of their bytewidth. |
| 15:03.36 | Shirik | cncfanatics: The same is true of, say, C++ |
| 15:03.46 | Shirik | bools are rarely implemented as one bit, for example |
| 15:04.05 | Shirik | and if you use a single "unsigned char" in a class |
| 15:04.19 | Shirik | it will still need to be aligned, so you probably waste space unless you made the class correctly |
| 15:04.38 | Shirik | because the compiler has to guarantee the order in which things are stored (though not necessarily how they are packed) |
| 15:05.27 | alestane | But if you say, "byte one, two; short three;" C++ should load all that into four bytes. |
| 15:05.36 | alestane | Rather than twelve. |
| 15:05.48 | Shirik | except C++ doesn't have a "byte" |
| 15:05.50 | Shirik | but yes :) |
| 15:06.05 | alestane | "char one, two; short three;" then. |
| 15:06.32 | alestane | Maldivia's implication is that even if you arrange your elements sensibly in Java, it will only pack arrays. |
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| 15:06.53 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I can't get castyeller to warn my drums |
| 15:07.04 | cncfanatics | when i want to add Drums of Battle it says they're already added |
| 15:07.13 | cncfanatics | but can't find em anywhere and I didn't add em before: p |
| 15:07.25 | Seerah | try removing sv's? |
| 15:07.27 | Maldivia | alestane: the stack in java is 4-byte aligned |
| 15:07.53 | alestane | Maldivia: Okay, but what about data members? |
| 15:08.06 | cncfanatics | Seerah: installed it like yesterday, but I will after this SL run |
| 15:08.13 | Seerah | hmm |
| 15:09.28 | Maldivia | alestane: fields are also 4-byte aligned |
| 15:09.48 | alestane | Presumably for ease of manipulation. |
| 15:10.07 | Maldivia | alestane: members are referenced by index |
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| 15:11.52 | Maldivia | alestane: for instance a simple class with a method and a class with one field and one method would be: constructor: #1, field #2, method: #3 |
| 15:12.00 | leethal | can has coordinate mod for wotlk? |
| 15:12.39 | Maldivia | s/ with a method and a class// |
| 15:13.05 | wereHamster | 4-byte alignment isn't enough for sse |
| 15:13.16 | alestane | And is the ordering of the members consistent with their order in the source? |
| 15:13.29 | Shirik | wereHamster: That's always a fun topic |
| 15:13.38 | Maldivia | alestane: no |
| 15:13.40 | Shirik | I remember having to manually align my members :( |
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| 15:14.17 | wereHamster | __attribute__((aligned(8))) |
| 15:14.20 | Neuro_Medivh | there's a dirty joke in that statement somewhere, Shirik |
| 15:14.28 | Shirik | __declspec(align, 8) |
| 15:14.43 | Shirik | I accidentally did __declspec(align, 128) first |
| 15:14.49 | Shirik | the compiler was a bit mad |
| 15:14.54 | Shirik | It let me do it |
| 15:14.57 | Shirik | but omg things were huge |
| 15:14.58 | wereHamster | of course properly guarded by a ifdef _MSVC_ or __GCC__ |
| 15:15.12 | Shirik | Nah, wereHamster |
| 15:15.21 | wereHamster | portable code ftl? |
| 15:15.58 | Shirik | #ifdef _MSC_VER #define align(x) __declspec(align, x) #elif defined(__GCC__) #define align(x) __attribute__((aligned(x)) #endif |
| 15:16.02 | Shirik | :) |
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| 15:17.49 | alestane | Shirik: This being IRC, it's much easier to read if you type __declspec(align, 8 ) or it turns into a smiley. |
| 15:17.58 | Shirik | haha oop |
| 15:19.38 | alestane | I keep trying to type Lua-style if statements in Java/C. |
| 15:20.00 | Maldivia | turns into a smiley.... |
| 15:20.04 | Shirik | #define repeat do |
| 15:20.17 | Shirik | #define until(b) while(~(b)); |
| 15:20.37 | Shirik | :D |
| 15:20.49 | Shirik | crap |
| 15:20.54 | Shirik | I can't believe I just put at ~ there |
| 15:20.59 | Maldivia | #define then { #define end } ? :) |
| 15:21.08 | wereHamster | #define until(b) while(!(b)); ? |
| 15:21.11 | Shirik | yeah that |
| 15:21.15 | Shirik | fricking Lua |
| 15:21.25 | alestane | That doesn't help me with if x >=3 then... |
| 15:21.32 | Shirik | Maldivia's does |
| 15:21.43 | nevcairiel | cant define missing braces in everywhere |
| 15:21.43 | Shirik | actually maybe |
| 15:21.44 | Maldivia | #define if if ( #defin then ) { |
| 15:21.47 | Shirik | #define if ( |
| 15:21.51 | Shirik | yeah |
| 15:21.54 | doow | scary stuff |
| 15:22.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:22.17 | wereHamster | Shirik: don't you want to apply for the next obfuscated C contest? |
| 15:22.24 | Shirik | haha |
| 15:22.34 | doow | I can imagine all the subtle errors that kind of thinking will produce |
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| 15:24.44 | Maldivia | Shirik: and the defines work :) |
| 15:24.50 | Shirik | oh I know :) |
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| 15:25.02 | Shirik | not going to do them |
| 15:25.04 | Shirik | but still |
| 15:25.13 | Maldivia | scary stuff, indeed :) |
| 15:25.29 | Shirik | Why C is the best language: You can convert any language into C and then use gcc by simple use of preprocessor commands |
| 15:25.30 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:25.41 | Shirik | not really true, but funny to think about |
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| 15:41.23 | Shirik | This has got to be THE WORST IT page I've ever seen |
| 15:41.26 | Shirik | "Each time you access a file through your web browser, the browser caches (stores) it. In this way, the files (including any images on the page) do not have to be retrieved anew from the remote web site each time you click the Back or Forward buttons. You should periodically clear the cache to allow your browser to function more efficiently. " |
| 15:41.32 | Shirik | "More efficiently?" |
| 15:41.35 | Shirik | are you kidding? |
| 15:42.15 | Shirik | I understand that occasionally users might not understand what's going on, but you don't lie to them instead of trying to explain the truth |
| 15:42.23 | alestane | Less efficiently, but more accurately. |
| 15:42.26 | Shirik | worst case scenario, you just tell them they wouldn't understand :P Most of them will accept that |
| 15:42.35 | Shirik | alestane, not what they said :) |
| 15:42.38 | Shirik | I agree with you |
| 15:43.03 | alestane | Because efficiently getting the wrong thing isn't that useful. |
| 15:43.48 | Shirik | clearing your cache periodically does NOT allow your browser to function more effiicently |
| 15:43.54 | Shirik | It's quite the opposite |
| 15:43.59 | Shirik | it stops it from trying to be efficient |
| 15:45.26 | foxlit | Shirik: that really depends on whether every browser in existence has a good cache implementation. |
| 15:46.29 | cncfanatics | foxlit: the cache always makes more efficient and less accurate |
| 15:46.37 | cncfanatics | except on broken implementations |
| 15:46.53 | cncfanatics | where it could be less efficient & less accurate :p |
| 15:46.56 | foxlit | I don't see what I said to deserve such obvious statements :) |
| 15:47.13 | cncfanatics | your above phrase :p |
| 15:48.49 | Seerah | heh... "it's not efficient if it's not written to be efficient" ;) |
| 15:51.50 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:52.48 | Lunessa | Shirik: But clearing the cache can fix some issues; they were just retards about explaining it. |
| 15:53.04 | Shirik | I know that |
| 15:53.08 | Shirik | still doesn't mean they should lie to their users |
| 15:53.36 | Lunessa | Of course they should lie to their users. That's what incompetent morons in IT do. It just helps us to cull the herd. :P |
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| 16:02.16 | foxlit | the UI Options frame, when opened via the main menu, blocks opening of all other UI Panels |
| 16:02.23 | foxlit | If opened through the UI Options API, it does not |
| 16:02.40 | foxlit | I wonder how it manages to do that (the first scenario). |
| 16:03.19 | AckisWork | can clique be used for keybinds or just mouse clicks with modifier keys? |
| 16:03.35 | cladhaire | just clicks |
| 16:03.49 | AckisWork | pity |
| 16:04.00 | cladhaire | why |
| 16:04.04 | cladhaire | they're completely different functions |
| 16:04.17 | cladhaire | Clique is designed for click-casting on unit frames |
| 16:04.31 | cladhaire | spellbinder is designed to bind spells to keybinds |
| 16:04.37 | cladhaire | don't see why that's a bad thing |
| 16:04.44 | leethal | "The Cake Is Not A Lie", nice achievement |
| 16:05.01 | AckisWork | no, I meant when I'm hovering over a unit frame I press a key and it casts on that target |
| 16:05.22 | cladhaire | that's what spellbinder does |
| 16:05.24 | Gnarfoz | clicks and modified clicks, as far as I'm aware |
| 16:05.27 | cladhaire | they're different things entirely |
| 16:05.33 | Shirik | right, AckisWork, and that is not something done through secure frame technology |
| 16:05.43 | Shirik | which is what clique works with |
| 16:06.15 | cladhaire | Hovercasting can already be done via macros and other addons |
| 16:06.35 | AckisWork | I was just asking if it did it :( |
| 16:07.03 | cladhaire | I know ;-) |
| 16:07.08 | cladhaire | I'm just explaining why I haven't added it. |
| 16:07.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Ackis, pay clad no mind.. he's just frustrated at all the people telling him that Tomtom doesn't work in WotLK =) |
| 16:08.34 | AckisWork | oh btw cladhaire tomtom doesn't work in WotLK |
| 16:08.43 | cladhaire | yes it does |
| 16:08.48 | AckisWork | lol |
| 16:08.50 | cladhaire | it doesn't place waypoints on EP or Northrend |
| 16:08.54 | cladhaire | but it works just fine everywhere else. |
| 16:09.25 | AckisWork | (was just joking) |
| 16:09.35 | cladhaire | oh |
| 16:09.37 | cladhaire | i didn't see Neuro_Medivh |
| 16:09.38 | cladhaire | lol |
| 16:09.39 | cladhaire | :P |
| 16:09.43 | AckisWork | lol |
| 16:10.19 | Neuro_Medivh | I assume tomtom requires a new astrolabe to work in northrend |
| 16:10.57 | cladhaire | yep |
| 16:11.08 | cladhaire | waiting on esamynn to fix two outstanding issues in astrolabe before i push wotlk maps |
| 16:11.45 | Neuro_Medivh | I really hope there's a 3.0 push to live before wotlk comes out... |
| 16:12.00 | Neuro_Medivh | I'd hate to have to fix my addons in live the same day wotlk releases |
| 16:12.07 | cladhaire | there will be |
| 16:12.11 | cladhaire | for that very reaosn |
| 16:12.14 | cladhaire | same as bc |
| 16:12.39 | AckisWork | I wouldn't think addons would be the primary reason why there's a push, more like live beta testing for a month or so |
| 16:12.56 | cladhaire | it's a major factor for them, actually |
| 16:13.01 | cladhaire | they're under no delusions about how important they are |
| 16:13.06 | cladhaire | it gives them a chance to push the talent trees |
| 16:13.07 | cladhaire | spell changes |
| 16:13.08 | AckisWork | ahh that surprises me actually |
| 16:13.10 | cladhaire | ui changes |
| 16:13.10 | cladhaire | etc |
| 16:13.24 | cladhaire | there's nothing else to beta test |
| 16:13.26 | Neuro_Medivh | addons are actually quite important to WoW |
| 16:13.31 | cladhaire | none of the new content would be there |
| 16:13.49 | Neuro_Medivh | otherwise, they wouldn't give us scrubs beta keys =) |
| 16:14.05 | AckisWork | no new content, but API changes, UI changes, new systems (aka achievements, pets), new talents, etc |
| 16:14.10 | AckisWork | pfft who you calling a scrub? :P hehe |
| 16:14.16 | Neuro_Medivh | myself, mainly |
| 16:14.24 | alestane | AddOns help keep the core gamers from getting fed up with barriers to play. |
| 16:14.29 | Neuro_Medivh | ya |
| 16:15.05 | Neuro_Medivh | honestly, at this rate Iriel should be on the blizzard payroll... though I think he makes more in his real job than they could afford to pay him |
| 16:15.10 | alestane | Because you're never going to come up with one way that works for everyone. |
| 16:15.46 | AckisWork | alestane: the few things they've taken from addons it seems they've implemented them poorly (combat text, raid frames) |
| 16:16.04 | AckisWork | but I'm not sure if poorly == not fully functional |
| 16:16.05 | Drundia | are they removing all old dropping epic mounts? |
| 16:16.27 | alestane | AckisWork: They're trying to implement a basic version that will be adequate for most users. The hardcore users continue to use more advanced add-ons. |
| 16:17.16 | alestane | Or in my case, I use the Blizzzard floating combat text, but I've added an add-on that adds cooldown announcements to it. |
| 16:17.56 | AckisWork | I wonder what the usage is for default blizzard raid frames |
| 16:18.06 | alestane | Or a lot of times, the blizzard version simply is less customizable, which is, again, something they leave to addons. |
| 16:18.52 | alestane | AckisWork: I find them adequate...I just wish that CTRA/oRA2 assigned blizzard raid roles at the same time they assigned internal roles. |
| 16:19.11 | AckisWork | but you look at what they did with the combat log and making that fully customizable |
| 16:19.13 | alestane | Because I have to bug my raid leader to type /ma name. |
| 16:19.28 | AckisWork | why not expand that other functionality into their own solutions? |
| 16:19.45 | foxlit | limited development time, why bother? :) |
| 16:20.06 | alestane | AckisWork: They already had quite a bit of chat infrastructure they could repurpose. |
| 16:20.52 | AckisWork | I guess I'm along the lines of do it well or don't do it at all |
| 16:21.15 | AckisWork | and the combat log changes are a prime example of them doing it well (IMO even if it was a bit buggy) |
| 16:21.42 | alestane | But when about two-thirds of your user base uses no add-ons at all, sometimes features have to get added into stock to make them universally available. |
| 16:21.58 | Shirik | Okay, I'm really not understanding this |
| 16:22.02 | alestane | How do you think the stock raid frames should be better? |
| 16:22.03 | Shirik | Pricing a new Laptop for my brother |
| 16:22.32 | Shirik | I can (A) do this "Windows Vista Bonus" where they preinstall XP and allow you to install Vista whenever you want by giving you the DVD |
| 16:22.33 | Drundia | oh, blizzard raid frames, those cool things that often have unclickable buttons? most exciting thing of course. |
| 16:22.40 | Shirik | or (B) have Vista preinstalled for $50 more |
| 16:23.08 | AckisWork | alestane: more customizable, add more features to them... let me turn the default into a grid type or a srf without needing an add-on for it... I would say 90% of raid frame users use an addon |
| 16:23.16 | Neuro_Medivh | what don't you understand shirik? |
| 16:23.23 | Shirik | why it's more expensive... |
| 16:23.32 | Shirik | I get less for more |
| 16:23.34 | Neuro_Medivh | because it's an extra hour of labor for them |
| 16:23.36 | alestane | Drundia: Well, they've never been implemented with the secure framework, since they predated it. If a Blizzard raid button doesn't work it's usually (in my experience) because some add-on hooked into it. |
| 16:24.01 | Shirik | How do you figure that? |
| 16:24.04 | Neuro_Medivh | almost certainly the laptops come with XP preconfigured, OR they have an image for XP already done |
| 16:24.12 | cbreak | hour of labor? just copying over an image? |
| 16:24.15 | alestane | AckisWork: So, more layout control? |
| 16:24.21 | Shirik | I would think if they came preconfigured, it would be with Vista not XP, and besides it's Dell |
| 16:24.33 | AckisWork | alestane: layout control, display control, buff/debuff filtering |
| 16:24.34 | Drundia | alestane, i really don't know, they just get bad frame levels and individual unit buttons are under pullout itself and pullouts captures clicks instead of buttons. |
| 16:24.42 | Neuro_Medivh | not neccessarily. It might be an older model with XP installed already |
| 16:25.01 | Neuro_Medivh | completely depends on the licensing they have for that model |
| 16:25.22 | alestane | Layout is exactly the sort of thing they'll usually leave up to an add-on. They don't want to have to intimidate first-time users with a complex customization interface. |
| 16:25.45 | Neuro_Medivh | regardless, you take option "A" cause vista is the sadface right now |
| 16:25.56 | Drundia | alestane, it's so evil that i ended up with a special function to fix them: http://wowui.pastey.net/94353 |
| 16:26.02 | alestane | If most users eventually go beyond the basic raid frames and want to go beyond them, I don't think they have a problem with that.. |
| 16:27.21 | alestane | Actually, I suspect the reason that the Raid UI still has serious security issues is that so many people supersede it anyway...chicken/egg problem. |
| 16:27.55 | AckisWork | no one uses it so why fix it? |
| 16:28.21 | alestane | Basically. |
| 16:28.23 | Drundia | maybe they should reset taint when leaving blocks, then blizzard code becomes less taintable without countless securecalls |
| 16:28.40 | AckisWork | meh they patched voice chat :P |
| 16:29.05 | alestane | Honestly, the raid UI should be reimplemented using secure group templates, precisely because people want to customize it. |
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| 16:30.13 | alestane | But the main purpose of the stock raid frames is to teach you raid frame concepts...class groups, role groups, watching bars and debuffs, etc. |
| 16:30.16 | Drundia | i wonder if secure group templates can end up with unclickable buttons for the same reasons as raid pullouts. |
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| 16:31.00 | alestane | That's why they don't have as much customization...people want that once they understand those concepts and can grasp how the stock frames aren't serving their needs. |
| 16:31.26 | alestane | Drundia: If badly implemented, I think they can...the frame levels aren't directly tied to code security. |
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| 16:32.14 | Drundia | i don't see why blizzard raid pullouts have that issue in the first place. according to all specifications it shouldn't happen |
| 16:32.59 | alestane | My guess? An old implementation glitch that no-one has cared about enough to make it worth fixing. |
| 16:33.04 | Drundia | :SetFrameLevel is protected, isn't it? |
| 16:33.46 | alestane | It probably is, to keep protected frames from covering each other. But why are the raid frames changing frame levels? |
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| 16:34.37 | Drundia | they aren't set to proper ones in the first place unless some crappy addon has something to do with it... but then again when pullout is created all its buttons are clickbale, but if more buttons are added later they usually aren't |
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| 16:35.23 | Drundia | as for targets and targets of targets there it's being tainted by like every addon and i don't know why |
| 16:35.43 | alestane | Anyway, I'll concede that it has severe implementation issues, especially since 2.0, but there's not much wrong with the design IMO. |
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| 16:36.13 | digmouse | uh who can invite me to author guild on Northrend Horde? |
| 16:37.03 | Drundia | it's signed, so it shouldn't have many security issues, some securecalls here and there and it even worked until i got some new addon... |
| 16:37.16 | Drundia | but frame levels are weird |
| 16:37.26 | alestane | Right, but when addons try to manipulate or customize it, they often taint it. |
| 16:38.12 | alestane | Which is why most raid frame add-ons just hide them and give you all-new raid frames. |
| 16:38.12 | Drundia | i think i don't even use any that should (based on what the addons do) |
| 16:38.27 | alestane | Well, I used to use Archaeologist, which I didn't think should, but it did. |
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| 16:38.52 | Drundia | yes it did |
| 16:38.56 | Drundia | until some securecalls |
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| 16:39.24 | alestane | I haven't run it since they added status bar text percentages. |
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| 16:41.01 | alestane | But usually, more securecalls is not a good solution. |
| 16:41.22 | alestane | If you find yourself needing a lot, then you have architecture issues. |
| 16:41.51 | Drundia | i mentioned needed securecalls on lines that are currently 977-980 once or twice, perhaps that helped get them in. |
| 16:42.05 | Drundia | it's general taint problem, they should reset it when leaving blocks |
| 16:42.17 | alestane | What do you mean, leaving blocks? |
| 16:42.26 | alestane | At any "end"? |
| 16:42.39 | Drundia | yes, they should reset it to pre-entry level |
| 16:42.45 | Drundia | at "end" |
| 16:43.06 | alestane | i.e. every scope should be securecalled? That model wouldn't _work_. |
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| 16:43.42 | alestane | At least, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't provide the security the model needs. |
| 16:43.49 | Drundia | extra hidden variable at each stack level |
| 16:44.44 | alestane | I'm not saying you couldn't implement it, but I don't think it would be secure enough,. |
| 16:44.57 | Drundia | in the case of mentioned raid ui it would solve it partially, if new iteration gets reset too, only tainting iteration variable would taint whole cycle. |
| 16:46.15 | Drundia | "for i=1,5 do securestuff(); insecurestuff(); end;" - end resets, "for i=1,5 do securestuff(); i=insecurestuff(); end;" - i is tainted so end resets just to be tainted again by i. |
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| 16:46.43 | Drundia | some taint in raid pullouts still is delayed like that |
| 16:47.05 | Drundia | on first iteration no taint, but then it is coming, so not enough securecalls it seems |
| 16:47.22 | Shirik | ~fauxscrollframe |
| 16:47.22 | purl | i guess fauxscrollframe is one of the first Lua/XML systems written by Blizzard for the WoW user interface. Its learning curve resembles an inverted L, and Zootfizzle hates it. Along with cogs, it is in the top five on his "dead to me" list. |
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| 16:48.32 | Mooninaut | I just got an error I've never seen before: "memory allocation error: block too big" |
| 16:48.40 | Shirik | Never seen it? |
| 16:48.43 | Shirik | It's not uncommon |
| 16:48.56 | alestane | Drundia: my understanding of Lua is that writing to iteration locals doesnt actually persist to the next iteration. |
| 16:49.08 | Lunessa | haha.. zooty has a "dead to me list"? |
| 16:49.11 | Josh_Borke | alestane: correct |
| 16:49.17 | Shirik | alestane: That's correct |
| 16:49.23 | Shirik | I think I have that example on wowwiki somewhere |
| 16:49.35 | Josh_Borke | lua> for i=1,10 do local x = (x or 0) + 1; print(x) end |
| 16:49.36 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 |
| 16:49.46 | Josh_Borke | lua> for i=1,10 do local x = (x or 0) + 1; print(x); i=i-1; print(i) end |
| 16:49.46 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 4, 1, 5, 1, 6, 1, 7, 1, 8, 1, 9 |
| 16:49.52 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_variable_scoping#Complex_Scope |
| 16:49.56 | Josh_Borke | can't even decrease i :-( |
| 16:49.57 | Drundia | alestane, maybe, then we are guaranteed to have next iteration start as secure if it was secure before this iteration |
| 16:50.11 | alestane | no, because the execution path itself is tainted. |
| 16:50.27 | alestane | Unless you mean, under your model. |
| 16:50.42 | Drundia | yes under my model :) |
| 16:50.49 | Mooninaut | So... what do I do about it? The line triggering it is "NewAbilityBar.SpellBookCache[i] = { name = spellName, rank = spellRank }" |
| 16:51.03 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: is it possible to cherry-pick a scope to retrieve a variable from? |
| 16:51.04 | Shirik | how many of those do you have? |
| 16:51.11 | Shirik | Josh_Borke: In WoW? |
| 16:51.35 | Shirik | in WoW, no. In default Lua, sometimes |
| 16:51.42 | Mooninaut | um, one per spell in the player's spellbook |
| 16:51.44 | alestane | But my point is that the Raid UI's troubles come from the fact that it was never written with taint in mind and the few fixes it's gotten have been band-aids. More band-aids is not the right solution. |
| 16:51.45 | Shirik | debug.getlocal can hel |
| 16:51.46 | Shirik | help |
| 16:52.02 | Shirik | Mooninaut: Are you sure you don't have an infinite loop or something where you might be making a million of those? |
| 16:52.09 | Mooninaut | could be |
| 16:52.23 | Mooninaut | crap you're right |
| 16:52.47 | Duman | I wonder if I'll get yelled at for making a snide remark about the avg intelligence of beta-goers beign inversely proportional to how long it's been going |
| 16:53.11 | Duman | but this guy is seriously retarded |
| 16:53.12 | Mooninaut | I deleted a "redundant" line that was actually updating the while loop condition variable :P |
| 16:53.17 | Shirik | :) |
| 16:53.34 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: no tricks with setfenv or anything? |
| 16:53.50 | Shirik | Josh_Borke: Problem is setfenv works on the effective global scope |
| 16:53.54 | Shirik | Locals aren't in any table |
| 16:53.58 | Shirik | they are literally an index on the stack |
| 16:54.05 | Josh_Borke | hrm |
| 16:54.17 | Josh_Borke | that's unfortunate |
| 16:54.21 | Shirik | I mean, it's theoretically possible, I guess, to inject bytecode into loadstring() to pick out that stack index |
| 16:54.35 | Shirik | actually no it's not because you aren't able to get out of the stack from that chunk |
| 16:55.14 | Shirik | but yeah, if you look at the bytecode sometime, what actually happens is basically every local gets its own position on the stack that the compiler remembers |
| 16:55.37 | Josh_Borke | yea, makes sense |
| 16:56.05 | Lunessa | alestane: has anyone looked at it in 3.0? so many things are getting fixed elsewhere that much of the raid ui's issues might be getting some love too. |
| 16:56.15 | Shirik | Which is why you can do something like "local a, a, a ,a ,a, a;" It's legal, they all get their own index. You won't be able to use any but the last, but they're all there. |
| 16:56.43 | alestane | Lunessa: I haven't given it a look-see yet, I've been preoccupied with secure handlers. |
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| 16:57.02 | Mooninaut | eep, this time I hung wow |
| 16:57.14 | Shirik | --> local a, a, a = 1, 2, 3; return debug.getlocal(0, 1); |
| 16:57.15 | batbot | Shirik: > (*temporary), 0 |
| 16:57.23 | Shirik | --> local a, a, a = 1, 2, 3; return debug.getlocal(1, 1); |
| 16:57.23 | batbot | Shirik: > nil |
| 16:57.27 | Shirik | --> local a, a, a = 1, 2, 3; return debug.getlocal(2, 1); |
| 16:57.28 | batbot | Shirik: @ ./sandbox.lua:109: bad argument #1 to 'getlocal' (level out of range) |
| 16:57.30 | Shirik | sigh |
| 16:57.40 | Shirik | --> local a, a, a = 1, 2, 3; return debug.getlocal(0, 2); |
| 16:57.41 | batbot | Shirik: > (*temporary), 2 |
| 16:57.44 | Shirik | wtf :/ |
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| 16:58.00 | Shirik | --> local a, a, a = 1, 2, 3; return debug.getlocal(1, 3); |
| 16:58.01 | batbot | Shirik: > nil |
| 16:58.03 | Shirik | I give up |
| 16:58.07 | Shirik | but it would be something like that Josh_Borke |
| 16:58.42 | Lunessa | alestane: I appreciate the work you've been doing on those too. |
| 17:01.36 | Shirik | so is 77 really the cap or what? |
| 17:01.43 | Shirik | Why does wowhead keep saying "@L77" |
| 17:01.50 | Josh_Borke | it's the current cap |
| 17:02.02 | Mooninaut | ehehe, another infinite loop |
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| 17:03.15 | Esamynn | Shirik|AFK: pong |
| 17:03.26 | Shirik|AFK | do you read the lua mailing list at all? |
| 17:03.46 | Lunessa | mmmm... cinematic is so good. |
| 17:03.55 | Esamynn | no, not at the moment, why? |
| 17:04.01 | Shirik|AFK | you run pastey right? |
| 17:04.05 | Esamynn | correct |
| 17:04.11 | Esamynn | Lunessa: what cinematic? |
| 17:04.12 | Shirik|AFK | You might consider this: http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2008-08/msg00474.html |
| 17:04.22 | Lunessa | lich king one released today. |
| 17:04.24 | Esamynn | Lunessa: oh |
| 17:04.26 | Esamynn | cool |
| 17:04.34 | Shirik|AFK | I haven't tried it myself, but if the syntax highlighting is different |
| 17:04.38 | Shirik|AFK | it might be better, dunno :) |
| 17:04.39 | Lunessa | I downloaded the hi-rez version. |
| 17:05.04 | Esamynn | damnit |
| 17:05.10 | Esamynn | I'm at work, with no headphones! :( |
| 17:05.16 | Lopeppeppy | .Oh noes! |
| 17:07.14 | Esamynn | Shirik|AFK: not much point, the plugin we have already does syntax hilighting, and that new one doesn't make that any better |
| 17:08.47 | Lunessa | I'm at work and I played it loud. |
| 17:09.06 | Esamynn | lol |
| 17:09.17 | Esamynn | downloader won't work for me here anyways, so I'll just wait til I get home |
| 17:09.20 | Lunessa | But I'm the guy with the action figures on my shelf and all my wallpapers are WoW-related. People already know I'm a geek. |
| 17:09.32 | alestane | Lunessa: At the moment, the only change to the raid frames is a this -> self conversion. |
| 17:09.54 | Lunessa | bah. Maybe we should write/submit fixes. :P |
| 17:10.13 | Esamynn | what is wrong with them? |
| 17:10.27 | alestane | Esamynn: They're still fairly taintable. |
| 17:10.34 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 17:10.54 | Lunessa | fairly should read "tainted like a 2 copper ho" |
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| 17:11.09 | Esamynn | :P |
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| 17:12.21 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 17:12.27 | Lopeppeppy | Walking petrie dish? |
| 17:12.42 | Lunessa | *snicker* |
| 17:12.56 | AckisWork | new trailer = win |
| 17:13.16 | Lunessa | You know when the head of HR comes to your office, it's good to remind yourself that you perform a function HR relies on extensively and not have a panic attack. |
| 17:13.28 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug Lunessa |
| 17:13.29 | purl | ACTION hugs Lunessa tightly until Lunessa turns slightly blue |
| 17:13.29 | Shirik|AFK | Esamynn: I didn't read it |
| 17:13.33 | Shirik|AFK | nor did I try it :) |
| 17:13.35 | Shirik|AFK | so I wouldn't know |
| 17:13.45 | Esamynn | Shirik|AFK: thanks for the thought, anyways :) |
| 17:14.02 | Lunessa | Yes, new trailer = win |
| 17:14.15 | Esamynn | Lunessa: I could try and borrow a pair of head phones, but I'd have to watch it in "low" res :P |
| 17:14.19 | Esamynn | I'd rather wait |
| 17:14.25 | Esamynn | Lunessa: so HUSH you |
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| 17:16.23 | alestane | Lunessa: We could go ahead and submit corrections, but they're unlikely to be considered before 3.1 at this point. |
| 17:16.59 | alestane | The producers are trying to freeze the content and feature set, and move focus to debugging. |
| 17:18.35 | Duman | lunessa: I need another +22 stab boots chant ;) |
| 17:18.41 | Duman | *stam |
| 17:19.33 | Duman | I need to farm more leather on my rogue and make those +15stam kits |
| 17:19.53 | Duman | I killed all the shoveltusk in borean tundra the other day |
| 17:20.03 | Duman | only made 6 kits :( |
| 17:20.06 | ANTRat | ca |
| 17:20.09 | Duman | gave them to anduid |
| 17:20.15 | Duman | *anduin |
| 17:20.19 | Duman | jeez can I plz type today |
| 17:22.26 | Lunessa | Duman - Ok. :) I'll do it when I get home tonight. Sadly, it's pre-classes rush around here and I didn't get home until almost 9pm and I was beat. |
| 17:22.27 | cog|away | NO U (can't) |
| 17:22.55 | Lunessa | cog|work: NO CHEESEBURGR 4 U |
| 17:23.11 | AckisWork | cheeseburgers?!?!?! where? |
| 17:23.46 | Lunessa | Ceiling Cat said "Let there b cheeseburgers." And there was. |
| 17:24.29 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh-uh. Basement Cat said let there be tuna noodle casserole, and there was! |
| 17:26.03 | cog|work | damn cat has been eating all the hair off her back and it clogged up our catgenie :( |
| 17:26.57 | Lopeppeppy | ... I have a cat and I don't understand that at all. |
| 17:26.58 | Thrae | I hate it when my genies get clogged up. They can't poof out of their bottles to grant me wishes. |
| 17:27.04 | Shirik|AFK | Kirkburn: ping |
| 17:27.11 | cog|work | http://www.catgenie.com/ |
| 17:27.18 | Lopeppeppy | My cat fell down behind the dresser at 3am, I had to get out of bed, move the dresser, let her out, and try not to kill her. |
| 17:27.39 | Kirkburn | Shirik|AFK, yo |
| 17:28.11 | Shirik|AFK | so I'm like... way behind the times |
| 17:28.16 | AckisWork | oomg cog|work that is so cool |
| 17:28.18 | Shirik|AFK | how can I fix my usenrame on wowwiki :/ |
| 17:28.23 | Shirik|AFK | username* |
| 17:28.26 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel, very sweet. |
| 17:28.28 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: you should've left her there |
| 17:29.09 | cog|work | it works really well, sans OCD cat |
| 17:29.16 | Kirkburn | Shirik|AFK, to change from WoWWiki-Shirik ? |
| 17:29.18 | Shirik|AFK | yes |
| 17:29.23 | Lukian | Lopeppeppy, wow, your cat fails, how did it manage that? XD |
| 17:29.29 | Lukian | unless of course it was sleepign there |
| 17:29.33 | cog|work | but they're sending me a new part they recently redesigned to better handle cat hair |
| 17:29.38 | Kirkburn | Shirik|AFK, post on http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Upgrades#Account_merge.2Frename.2Fproblems.3F_Post_here |
| 17:29.55 | AckisWork | cog|work: do you have the deluxe or normal? |
| 17:29.57 | Lukian | because I've seen cats fall off things an awful lot while sleeping (including monitors -> floor) and windowsills |
| 17:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | Lukian... she was chasing invisible aliens on the walls when I went to bed. I am assuming she thought she could get to one from the top of the dresser, but it distracted her and she lost her footing. |
| 17:30.04 | Kirkburn | (still waiting on some free time from the techs to get through them) |
| 17:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | Invisi-Alien Hunting is what she does when I'm raiding. |
| 17:30.21 | cog|work | we got the deluxe, mostly for the extra supplies. The cats aren't fond of the hood |
| 17:30.40 | Shirik|AFK | "Past discussions archived to" <insert deleted link here> |
| 17:30.42 | Shirik|AFK | that's brilliant :P |
| 17:30.53 | AckisWork | I have a hooded one right now, he likes it I think... do you have to hook it up to a toilet or just empty it every once in a while? |
| 17:33.04 | Shirik|AFK | Kirkburn: I'm confused. I don't see a Shirik at wikia.com, why was there an issue? |
| 17:33.26 | foxlit | Because wikia userbase is common over all wikia wikis |
| 17:33.38 | Kirkburn | But they only show up on the wikis where they've been used |
| 17:33.45 | foxlit | So even if no User:Shirik is created at wikia.com, you might still have a namesake at say cnc.wikia.com |
| 17:33.54 | Shirik|AFK | ah |
| 17:34.11 | kd3 | wtf! still no gnomes? |
| 17:34.22 | Shirik|AFK | so how do I find out whose site I need to kill so I can get my name back? |
| 17:34.26 | Drundia | did they pick one name at random to keep original name? |
| 17:34.49 | foxlit | Drundia: wowwiki accounts got WoWWiki- prefix |
| 17:35.23 | foxlit | (people in the common wikia userbase got precedence for account names) |
| 17:35.25 | Drundia | oh right, wowwiki had lowest prio on keeping conflicting names? |
| 17:35.30 | Drundia | yeye |
| 17:35.32 | Drundia | i figured |
| 17:35.45 | Drundia | they didn't merge all of them at once, but added wowwiki in later |
| 17:36.07 | foxlit | It's not so much "all of them" |
| 17:36.37 | foxlit | It's more that Wikia went out of their way to buy a few additional wikis, which then had to be merged in |
| 17:36.46 | Kirkburn | We had a massive userbase, Wikia has a massive userbase - to be fair to the thousands of Wikia wikis, we had to have matches changed |
| 17:37.32 | Shirik|AFK | ok well it's not a big deal, I'll just leave it was WoWWiki ... not like I use that account lately anyway |
| 17:38.25 | Drundia | did they offer no change possibility to people who owned all of those matches? |
| 17:38.44 | kd3 | sure. if you own both accounts, leave a message on a talk page and they can merge the accounts |
| 17:39.05 | Kirkburn | ( http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Upgrades#Account_merge.2Frename.2Fproblems.3F_Post_here ) |
| 17:39.11 | kd3 | ^ |
| 17:43.32 | Drundia | cool, Past discussions archived to... (red link) |
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| 17:45.15 | kd3 | refresh |
| 17:48.47 | Lunessa | Heh... I should see if my account go t merged - not like I've used it in forever. |
| 17:49.17 | foxlit | Hm, so, story |
| 17:49.22 | foxlit | ... time |
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| 17:50.04 | foxlit | I've got a hotkey that calls up a button (state change on key down modifies button state, which in turn shows the button) |
| 17:50.45 | foxlit | I can also use the right mouse button to dismiss the button (another button propagating a state change to the original button's header, hiding the original button) |
| 17:51.02 | foxlit | I can arrange for the hide-on-right-click behavior in two ways: |
| 17:51.12 | foxlit | Make right-clicking on the original button do nothing but hide it |
| 17:51.30 | foxlit | Or bind BUTTON2 to the "hide" button when the original button is shown |
| 17:52.13 | foxlit | The first doesn't work if the original button is bound to a mouse button (apparently, clicks don't get fired if you're holding one mouse button and clicking another) |
| 17:52.39 | foxlit | The second locks you in mouselook if you activate the original button while holding the right mouse button. |
| 17:53.24 | foxlit | I'm doomed, ain't I? |
| 17:53.54 | Drundia | we all are... |
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| 17:58.15 | foxlit | Need to figure out some way to get the buttonup event through to the worldframe :( |
| 17:58.41 | alestane | Can you make on eof these buttons delegate conditionally? |
| 17:58.51 | foxlit | can I what now? :) |
| 17:59.14 | alestane | A secure button's type can be 'click' in which case it passes the click to another frame. |
| 18:00.15 | Thrae | "You are not prepared!" -- Burning Crusade Expansion. "Your ass will be frozen to your own throne!" -- Wrath of the Lich King. |
| 18:01.47 | foxlit | alestane: actually, I probably can |
| 18:02.24 | alestane | I don't know how well delegating to WorldFrame works. |
| 18:02.41 | foxlit | Yeah, it wouldn't let you :Click() it |
| 18:02.59 | Fisker- | why so srs? |
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| 18:03.19 | Mooninaut | detecting spells being removed from the spellbook is harder than detecting spells being added |
| 18:03.59 | Mooninaut | actually I suppose I could run the same logic but in reverse |
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| 18:06.14 | End | Thrae: hey now, he got his ass unfrozen off the throne |
| 18:06.37 | foxlit | Right, back to being very evil |
| 18:06.42 | Thrae | End: Are you stalking me in a Warhammer channel again? |
| 18:06.52 | foxlit | Which wouldn't work -- can't bind right button on right button being clicked :( |
| 18:06.55 | End | maybe? |
| 18:08.53 | foxlit | I'm free |
| 18:09.04 | foxlit | MouselookStop() isn't protected |
| 18:15.08 | Industrial | you know it just struck me; It would suck to actually become dumber and weaker when you would take your clothes off |
| 18:15.15 | Industrial | >_O |
| 18:15.47 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 18:15.58 | Lunessa | Thrae: Dude, my ass is frozen to this throne! WTF? |
| 18:16.30 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: wouldnt it? |
| 18:16.35 | Lunessa | Industrial: Some would argue that happens naturally in Real Life(TM) |
| 18:16.40 | Industrial | haha |
| 18:16.41 | Thrae | Unfortunately, people in the WoW world don't become smarter, it has to do with your MAGICAL intelligence. |
| 18:17.12 | Industrial | sec put on my macig hat. there. oh I mean magic. oh im holding my spoon the wrong way.. |
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| 18:17.28 | Lunessa | I mean, I know being naked in the presence of others is a mind-altering experience for most humans. |
| 18:17.52 | Thrae | Oh, I'm always smarter naked. Which is why every debate I participate in, I'm always naked. |
| 18:17.55 | haste | anyone happening to run the epiphany that uses webkit? |
| 18:17.55 | Industrial | some people like it :p |
| 18:18.02 | Thrae | You can't argue for long with a naked man. |
| 18:18.23 | Lunessa | Thrae usually the laughter end the argument? |
| 18:18.46 | Thrae | If the other side runs away in disgust, you win by default! |
| 18:18.52 | Lunessa | Haha |
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| 18:28.20 | leethal | haste: <== happens to |
| 18:28.52 | haste | leethal: does it render unicode characters? |
| 18:29.36 | leethal | dunno =P |
| 18:30.05 | haste | leethal: http://thwiki.info/ easy to check :p |
| 18:31.31 | leethal | haste: http://img.skitch.com/20080821-f5493kguypigm4e81de9jxr955.png |
| 18:32.06 | haste | leethal: using freetype or pango as font-backend? |
| 18:32.24 | leethal | absolutely no idea, can't recall doing any font-related settings anywhere |
| 18:32.47 | haste | oh well, worst case is that I have to compile webkit twice |
| 18:33.16 | leethal | is there an awesome list of achievements somewhere, btw? |
| 18:33.22 | leethal | other than in-game, ofc |
| 18:33.36 | haste | wowhead has a list afaik |
| 18:33.43 | leethal | good ol' wowhead |
| 18:33.52 | kd3 | the wiki's got em all too |
| 18:34.13 | leethal | an awesome filter: "List of all achievements that can be done pre-WotLK" |
| 18:34.17 | leethal | no filters there, tho' |
| 18:36.08 | leethal | haha, /love on critters |
| 18:36.12 | leethal | man the achievements are awesome |
| 18:36.27 | kd3 | solo onyxia's still my favorite |
| 18:36.41 | leethal | woha, cool |
| 18:36.53 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dungeons_and_Raids_achievements#Dungeons_3 |
| 18:36.54 | kd3 | #23 |
| 18:37.58 | Lunessa | kd3 I'm going to try that later. Want to back me up in case I biff it? |
| 18:38.25 | kd3 | if I'm on, sure |
| 18:38.44 | Lunessa | ok. I figure phase II is hardest for a soloing shaman. |
| 18:39.28 | Kirov | Are acheivements account or character wide? |
| 18:39.47 | kd3 | character for now |
| 18:39.48 | Lunessa | Some are account wide. Most are not. |
| 18:39.53 | kd3 | it'll be account-wide after wrath |
| 18:40.04 | Lunessa | Like 1 or two which require you to get stuff on multiple toons. |
| 18:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, the Wrath cinematic is kinda awesome. |
| 18:41.00 | kd3 | still no gnomes. fail |
| 18:41.04 | ScytheBlade1 | True |
| 18:41.25 | Lunessa | Blizzard should do a WoW Animated/CGI film. |
| 18:41.49 | Lunessa | I would pay to see it. |
| 18:42.15 | Thrae | Put all the cinematics from WC3 + TFT and you get a little movie |
| 18:42.22 | Lunessa | I mean, FFS I saw the STUPID D&D movie; how could this be worse? |
| 18:42.31 | Thrae | I have the WC3 cinematics on DVD |
| 18:42.49 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: funny that you say that, the movie is on tv here today =P |
| 18:43.00 | Lunessa | ... run while you still can. |
| 18:43.42 | alestane | Lunessa: They were working with Legendary for a while, weren't they? |
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| 18:44.00 | Lunessa | Yes, but I never heard anything else. |
| 18:44.30 | Lunessa | I'm thinking they need a full CGI team to do at least Final Fantasy quality movie. |
| 18:45.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh holy crap, that intro movie totally takes place in Dragonblight |
| 18:45.38 | Lunessa | Yeah. And you even know which peak too. |
| 18:46.25 | Tem|work | hella cool |
| 18:47.40 | Xuerian | The ultimate warcraft geek's gathering place. |
| 18:48.39 | DARKGuy | Well they really need a movie |
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| 18:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Off to Dragonblight |
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| 18:58.54 | leethal | hmm, 25 tabards |
| 18:58.56 | leethal | ...how? |
| 18:59.00 | leethal | or: which? =P |
| 18:59.11 | leethal | hmm, guess I can wowhead-search for unique tabards |
| 18:59.19 | smcn | there's lots of tabards |
| 18:59.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: hmm, which peak were you thinking of? |
| 18:59.55 | kd3 | [[Tabard]] |
| 19:00.34 | Lunessa | mmm... NE edge of the central area, not far from the Bronze Dragonflight area. |
| 19:01.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I was thinking very very NW of the zone, between the horde/alliance camps |
| 19:01.27 | ScytheBlade1 | He would have come out of Icecrown, stood up top there, and raised it |
| 19:01.31 | Lunessa | That might be it too. |
| 19:02.13 | Lunessa | I was thinking "above Frostmoune Cave" |
| 19:07.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, I'm really not sure - there really aren't swarms of undead in Dragonblight |
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| 19:08.29 | kd3 | the wrath gate? galakrond's? |
| 19:08.38 | kd3 | the red/obsidian shrines? |
| 19:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure it's the Wrath Gate |
| 19:08.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That seems to fit the most, simply due to how close Icecrown is |
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| 19:32.58 | leethal | consortium exalted ftl |
| 19:33.24 | Lopeppeppy | *shudder* |
| 19:33.39 | leethal | 22 insignias and counting |
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| 19:35.59 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: try getting exalted ravenholdt :P |
| 19:38.56 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. I'm a rogue. I'm not even friendly. |
| 19:39.28 | zenzelezz | friendly when it counts |
| 19:39.41 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. *blush* |
| 19:40.36 | AckisWork | pfft that's it you're going on ANOTHER list :P |
| 19:41.04 | Lopeppeppy | Sucks to be me. :P |
| 19:41.14 | AckisWork | lol |
| 19:41.27 | AckisWork | this list is the "to be whacked with a sword at blizzcon" list :D lol |
| 19:42.13 | zenzelezz | uh huh, a "sword"... |
| 19:42.27 | Bouvi | AckisWork: If you give me airfare, and hotel plus a ticket I will go on the list!!! |
| 19:42.37 | AckisWork | hehe |
| 19:43.04 | leethal | I don't hope ravenholdt is on the achievements list? |
| 19:43.14 | AckisWork | no |
| 19:43.29 | AckisWork | but you can get exalted with 40 factions pre-wrath so you'd get that achievement off the start |
| 19:44.50 | Kirov | For some reason I completed every achievement in Half Life 2 (except for that damn gnome), but I don't care about doing any of WoW's. |
| 19:45.08 | AckisWork | I wonder what they'll do with the achievement points |
| 19:47.34 | leethal | getting achievements in wow is just like finding hidden levels in super mario world when you've beaten bowser |
| 19:48.17 | smcn | i like how i've apparently hit level 80 on all my characters ;) |
| 19:48.44 | Kirov | My characters are all lvl 81! ha! |
| 19:48.53 | AckisWork | I like WAR achievements |
| 19:49.07 | AckisWork | they actually do something opposed to e-peen measuring |
| 19:50.22 | wereHamster | Kirov: gnomes in halflife? You're mixing things up. You really need to go outside sometimes, away from computers! |
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| 19:51.25 | smcn | as soon as i got the buggy with the gnome i gave up, that shit is infuriating |
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| 19:52.54 | Lunessa | Ok, off to teach the sheeple to use V ista. |
| 19:53.04 | leethal | AckisWork: oh come on. Name one thing that beats having a large e-peen |
| 19:53.15 | AckisWork | leethal: sex |
| 19:53.38 | leethal | sigh, you're totally not getting it |
| 19:53.46 | AckisWork | yes I am! |
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| 19:53.58 | Mooninaut | smcn: same here |
| 19:54.13 | AckisWork | _DARKGuy_: http://ackis.myminicity.com/tra :P heheh <3 |
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| 19:54.58 | Kirov | wereHamster - http://kotaku.com/gaming/easter-eggs/playing-through-half+life-2-episode-two-with-a-gnome-312180.php |
| 20:01.31 | Kirov | http://crackedrabbitgaming.com/2007/12/27/half-life-2-episode-2-little-rocket-man-gnome-achievement-tips/ |
| 20:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | AckisWork, I just saw your definition of the list. Are you assuming that Peppy would attend such a barbaric event as a sword-whacking, much less an e-peen fest like Blizzcon? |
| 20:05.06 | AckisWork | yes I was assuming you'd be there lol |
| 20:05.47 | AckisWork | I'm guessing you won't be so I don't need to bring the pictures of my dog peppy :( |
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| 20:08.22 | Lopeppeppy | Bring pictures. I should be there. :) |
| 20:09.10 | Neuro_Medivh | apparently, e-peen fests are right up peppy's alley |
| 20:09.14 | AckisWork | you're going to make my head explode :( |
| 20:09.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, yes I am. :) |
| 20:09.30 | smcn | lol, e-peen up his alley. |
| 20:09.30 | AckisWork | Neuro_Medivh: I read that wrong and blushed |
| 20:10.06 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, the entendre was intentional |
| 20:11.15 | Neuro_Medivh | you know, the olympics would be much more enjoyable if I could actually SEE the events I wanted to watch, without having to consult some byzantine schedule |
| 20:12.54 | Neuro_Medivh | for example, if I want to see the Men's Basketball gold-medal final, the schedule says it will be on Sunday between midnight and noon. Huh? |
| 20:13.53 | foxlit | I hear olympics are pirated just as well as every other brand of TV entertainment :) |
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| 20:17.29 | duaiwe | Neuro_Medivh: .. you know, they take place on china's time, right? ;) |
| 20:20.06 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy's alley is a girl-alley, and it's closed for extended vacation. Go take a detour or something. *sniff* |
| 20:20.26 | NightHawkTheSane | a.. detour...? |
| 20:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | That means "go the hell away and don't bother me", NightHawkTheSane. *rolls eyes* |
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| 20:20.47 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe ;) |
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| 20:21.29 | AckisWork | I'm so confused |
| 20:22.25 | Lopeppeppy | Is okay, NightHawkTheSane gets it. :P |
| 20:22.40 | ckknight | is this some euphemism for getting your period? |
| 20:23.14 | ckknight | not sure what that was for |
| 20:23.23 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 20:23.26 | NightHawkTheSane | saying what he was thinking? |
| 20:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, you're way off base, ckknight. That's okay. |
| 20:23.39 | alestane | Which is not always what one should do. |
| 20:23.43 | ckknight | okay |
| 20:23.46 | Lopeppeppy | epeen fests are not my thing, is what it comes down to. That's all. |
| 20:24.01 | AckisWork | I'm still confused |
| 20:24.56 | Lopeppeppy | I'm probably going to Blizzcon. It's not because I enjoy eepeen gaming festivals, it's because I like people and conventions. |
| 20:25.12 | Thunder_Child | http://flash.popphoto.com/blog/2008/08/sigmas-enormous.html |
| 20:25.31 | Lopeppeppy | That's an epeen |
| 20:25.35 | NightHawkTheSane | wait.. |
| 20:25.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i can understand liking people.. and maybe liking conventions.. but the two don't usually mix well |
| 20:26.00 | AckisWork | don't people at conventions stink? |
| 20:26.21 | Neuro_Medivh | 'You hate people!' 'But I love gatherings. It's ironic, really' |
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| 20:26.32 | g0urra | Heh |
| 20:26.43 | Lopeppeppy | I like both things, it's nice. |
| 20:27.07 | Neuro_Medivh | I like persons. People, however, are stupid. |
| 20:27.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: you must have some kind of divine patience. |
| 20:27.24 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, yes I do. |
| 20:27.34 | NightHawkTheSane | .. which probably explains why you're still in this channel >.> |
| 20:27.39 | alestane | What is that actually a quote from? |
| 20:27.42 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, yes it does. :) |
| 20:27.47 | Neuro_Medivh | Clerks |
| 20:28.00 | alestane | Okay, so the search came up with the right thing. |
| 20:28.44 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, happy people. I'm off from work to go do something productive with my life. |
| 20:28.54 | AckisWork | have fun peppy |
| 20:29.04 | AckisWork | (been trying to do something productive all day) |
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| 20:36.44 | alestane | We all know someone like this: http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20061101.html |
| 20:37.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh. qow.. that was a great strip |
| 20:39.14 | |pez| | guh.... |
| 20:40.37 | |pez| | dear boyfriend, when I ask you to not let me sleep more than an hour... I mean it. I don't mean that you should say I should wake up 3 times... and then give up and let me sleep for 4 more hours.l |
| 20:40.52 | Josh_Borke | |pez|: you did it again? |
| 20:41.24 | |pez| | I was going to have a nap. Boyfriend said it was ok, and that he would wake me up. |
| 20:41.38 | |pez| | I tell him to NOT let me sleep much longer than the agreed time. |
| 20:41.39 | Lunessa | alestane: *cough* that would have been me. |
| 20:42.06 | g0urra | |pez|: what would he have done then? |
| 20:42.09 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: Clerks. Awesome. |
| 20:42.36 | |pez| | g0urra: I'd try a bit more? :P |
| 20:43.24 | |pez| | Ok, guys, this is not helping me being able to fall asleep again. >__> |
| 20:43.40 | Josh_Borke | |pez|: cuddle up to a nice book on writing apache modules |
| 20:45.00 | |pez| | I was just gonna have a nap, to get me through the last hours of the day. And I was going to clean and tidy more. |
| 20:45.21 | |pez| | But he gave up too soon >___> |
| 20:45.28 | Kirov | |pez| - my fiancee asks me to wake her up sometimes. Usually I'll nudge her awake and she'll sleep-talk to me to tell her to let her sleep more, etc. I've found that it's actually impossible to really wake her up at that time. I have to come back 5-10 minutes after the first attempt to actually wake her up since she usually wakes up slightly for real after her "sleep talking". |
| 20:45.29 | zenzelezz | if he had to wake you three times, you sort of have to accept some responsibility |
| 20:46.12 | |pez| | zenzelezz: within 10 minutes? :P |
| 20:46.23 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 20:46.36 | Kirov | I give up too if she doesn't wake up. |
| 20:46.40 | |pez| | He does exactly the same. |
| 20:46.49 | zenzelezz | that's his problem |
| 20:46.52 | |pez| | He's even worse than me at falling back asleep again. |
| 20:47.07 | zenzelezz | if you ask someone to wake you up, you'd better get the heck up when they do |
| 20:47.24 | Kirov | Unless there's something actually important that she needs to wake up for, I let my fiancee sleep. She doesn't get enough usually anyways. |
| 20:47.26 | zenzelezz | humans don't work well as alarm clocks, we get tired |
| 20:48.16 | Lunessa | alestane: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023609437&sid=1 |
| 20:51.40 | |pez| | Well, the thing is... I tell him I'm not wanting to go back to sleep again, I just want to let my body actually wake up. |
| 20:52.04 | |pez| | At some point after this, I fall asleep again, and he doesn't wake me up again. |
| 20:52.05 | foxlit | Lunessa: header don't hide selves |
| 20:52.15 | alestane | Yes, I was getting there. |
| 20:52.16 | zenzelezz | |pez|: all the more your own fault then |
| 20:52.18 | Lunessa | <--- Not a stateheader guy |
| 20:52.41 | zenzelezz | you know that "just waking up" is never a good thing to do |
| 20:52.57 | foxlit | Lunessa: the basic summary is that the show/hide stuff is applied to the children of the StateHeader, rather than the StateHeader itself |
| 20:53.24 | |pez| | Try waking up and have your whole body half asleep and sort of numb, and see if that inspired to jumping out of bed being the first thing you do. |
| 20:53.34 | Lunessa | *nod* makes sense. Show/Hide is related to the frame, not the header |
| 20:53.56 | Kirov | |pez| - Tell him you want to have sex in an hour. In exactly 55 minutes you'll be awake. |
| 20:54.00 | zenzelezz | |pez|: I do every morning, but I've learned that "just waking up" is a recipe for disaster. Don't mess with sleep, it'll come back and bite you |
| 20:54.01 | Xuerian | XD |
| 20:54.17 | leethal | |pez|: you look like ruby! |
| 20:54.21 | foxlit | I solved that a while ago by having another StateHeader to loop the visibility change into mine |
| 20:54.38 | leethal | a_list_of_pez.each {|pez| pez.be_awesome } |
| 20:54.55 | |pez| | ... 0.o |
| 20:55.00 | Lunessa | After years and years of sleep disorders, I have arranged my life around my "natural" sleeping rhythms. Only when something is amiss do I get all out of whack anymore. |
| 20:55.02 | Xuerian | Yes, ruby is that fucked up |
| 20:55.05 | foxlit | (I also think RegisterUnitWatch works without the second parameter) |
| 20:55.08 | leethal | lulz |
| 20:55.33 | foxlit | But I suppose that wouldn't let him invert it. |
| 20:55.47 | leethal | Xuerian: you troll! |
| 20:56.07 | zenzelezz | |pez|: if you want him to keep waking you up, then tell him to check back in X minutes, don't say you're "just going to wake up" :-p |
| 20:56.28 | Josh_Borke | |pez|: if you just take a little bit of blame it'll all be over ;-) |
| 20:56.45 | |pez| | I'll still blame this on the boyfriend. His wake-up tactics are stupid. And I told him I didn't want him to let me go back to sleep again the last time I was awake. |
| 20:57.03 | Xuerian | leethal: Zul'rokh da name, end o' d'world is da game, mon. |
| 20:57.10 | zenzelezz | |pez|: you're just being silly shirking responsibility like that |
| 20:57.39 | alestane | foxlit: RegisterStateDriver(frame, "visibility", "[exists] hide; show") |
| 20:57.46 | Lunessa | foxlit: Sounds clunky. I'm waiting for the 3.0 version to gel before I fiddle with it. I'm pretty sure I'm going to need it for my ultimate keybinding UI |
| 20:58.02 | foxlit | alestane: Forums, not me; I haven't looked at StateDrivers :) |
| 20:58.14 | alestane | foxlit: I put it there too. |
| 20:58.38 | foxlit | Otherwise, I'm happy with my loopback, it can deal with things StateDrivers don't bother with :) |
| 20:59.19 | |pez| | He knows I have lousy sleeping habits, he complains about them, alll the time, and yet lets me sleep for 4 hours more than agreed on... That way I'll defenetly have problems sleeping tonight. |
| 20:59.58 | zenzelezz | |pez|: give it up. You won't sleep any better by blaming him |
| 21:00.28 | |pez| | I'd sleep better tonight if he had done what I asked him to do. |
| 21:00.45 | zenzelezz | and you'd sleep better if you'd gotten up one of the three times he woke you |
| 21:01.25 | zenzelezz | if you were concious enough to count, you were concious enough to get up ;-p |
| 21:01.48 | |pez| | Well, sure. But it doesn't mean he should give up. |
| 21:02.28 | zenzelezz | when you tell him you're "just going to wake up", you're essentially telling him his job is done. This may differ in girl-speak, but in guy-speak this is true |
| 21:02.59 | |pez| | zenzelezz: well, my words may or may not have been exactly that. But I did add "but don't let me fall asleep again" |
| 21:03.02 | |pez| | after it too. :P |
| 21:03.16 | kd3 | sigh. got another email from aa. yay for copypasta, but at least time they're not resetting my account password. >.> |
| 21:04.01 | zenzelezz | |pez|: leaving out details always causes trouble |
| 21:04.06 | Lunessa | |pez| Take massive quantities of sleeping aids, booze, and run a mile before bed-time. Wake up in rehab. :P |
| 21:04.47 | |pez| | Lunessa: my sleeping habits are so out of whack I'm considering seeing my doctor about it so I'll get sleeping aids before I start school. :P |
| 21:05.06 | Lunessa | can't help bitter people who are just looking for a fight: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023607517&sid=1 |
| 21:05.34 | zenzelezz | I was sure that comment was aimed at me until I saw the link |
| 21:05.59 | Lunessa | |pez|: I'm a life-long sufferer from insomnia and various other problems that impact my sleep. It sucks. All I can say is, it can get better. |
| 21:06.38 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: You want to make something of it? Step outside maybe? I mean, you're all tough behind the keyboard macho-boy... :P |
| 21:07.01 | smcn | there was a recent episode of bullshit about sleep aids |
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| 21:07.25 | alestane | Although since we're unable to use range in a meaningful way, one wonders just how abusable it would be if we had accurate range/position figures. |
| 21:07.51 | |pez| | Lunessa: I've been unemployed and had nothing to do the past year, which has made me use a whole year to get myu sleeping habits really really bad. |
| 21:07.57 | |pez| | sleeping aids ftw XD |
| 21:08.16 | AckisWork | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784386307&postId=91730222579&sid=1#3 |
| 21:08.16 | |pez| | I just need them so I'm able to actually sleep before school, and not sit up all night. |
| 21:08.25 | foxlit | RESTRICTED_FUNCTIONS_SCOPE = { ... |
| 21:08.30 | foxlit | print = print; |
| 21:08.31 | foxlit | ... } |
| 21:08.32 | AckisWork | |pez|: I was on disability for 18 months, I know what you mean |
| 21:08.38 | foxlit | But print is nil?! |
| 21:08.40 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: I appreciate the joke, but you know I'm just an attention whore |
| 21:09.01 | alestane | foxlit: I believe we're actually getting some form of print implemented. |
| 21:09.06 | Lunessa | Drugs for sleep don't actually make you sleep - the are hypnotics and leave you in a stupor - but it's not restful. |
| 21:09.23 | foxlit | alestane: good to hear, it's just odd that it's referenced before being implemented |
| 21:09.50 | |pez| | Lunessa: My main problem is that my brain just... keeps on going. :P |
| 21:10.00 | |pez| | Which makes me unable to sleep, since I think about way to much. |
| 21:10.17 | foxlit | lua> t = {foo=1; bar=2;} print(t.foo); |
| 21:10.18 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1 |
| 21:10.36 | |pez| | Oddly enough, this does not apply in daytime napsessions. >__> |
| 21:10.56 | zenzelezz | did you try *not* taking naps during the day? |
| 21:11.07 | Lunessa | |pez|: Stop drinking caffeine, get more physical exercise, and learn to recognize the states at which you can/will fall asleep and sleep when they occur. It makes a difference. |
| 21:11.09 | zenzelezz | a lot of people find them to only ruin their sleep |
| 21:11.18 | |pez| | I don't usually have daytime naps. .P |
| 21:11.20 | foxlit | How interesting |
| 21:11.21 | alestane | |pez|: I often have to put myself through a process I usually think of as "field-stripping my mind": sort of taking each piece apart in a careful order, setting it down where it won't go off or hurt anything. It's taken me a while to develop. |
| 21:11.24 | foxlit | fieldsep ::= `,´ | `;´ |
| 21:12.14 | Jagannath | |pez|: Do you have ADD? I have it and I get the same problem. When I try to sleep, my brain keeps going and won't stfu, hence no sleep. |
| 21:12.29 | alestane | foxlit: Lua used to use different parts of the table constructor for array and record portions. |
| 21:12.33 | |pez| | What other symptoms does ADD have? |
| 21:12.51 | Neuro_Medivh | ADD is overdiagnosed imho |
| 21:13.05 | alestane | Inability to control your focus of attention, which can manifest as distractability or as fixation. |
| 21:13.14 | Jagannath | That's only because everyone thinks you're super hyper when you have ADD. |
| 21:13.17 | Jagannath | Which is silly. |
| 21:13.50 | Jagannath | If you find something boring, |pez|, it's near impossible to concentrate on it for one. |
| 21:13.54 | |pez| | Well, I'm not hyper. But I have problems focusing on things. |
| 21:13.58 | Jagannath | Like for me, tedious homework. |
| 21:14.00 | alestane | It's important to understand that not everyone who has ADD has ADHD. |
| 21:14.02 | Neuro_Medivh | I was diagnosed as ADD when I was a kid... turns out, I was just lazy |
| 21:14.11 | Jagannath | alestane, exactly. =p |
| 21:14.45 | |pez| | I just think I have weird mental disorders of Doom. |
| 21:14.49 | kd3 | meh, if I was in elementary or middle school today (rather than the early 90s), I'd be diagnosed adhd too. |
| 21:14.57 | Jagannath | |pez|, there's a lot of different types of it etc. |
| 21:15.10 | alestane | One author described it as having a hunter/gatherer mindset in a world built by farmers. |
| 21:15.20 | Jagannath | ^ |
| 21:15.33 | |pez| | Either way I should talk to my doctor about it. |
| 21:15.46 | Neuro_Medivh | kd3, been meaning to ask you, who's the top dog on Medivh now, alliance side? |
| 21:15.54 | alestane | It's definitely a real thing, although I think the term "disorder" is a misnomer. It's a different mode of brain operation from what is now considered the norm, but it doesn't mean you're broken. |
| 21:16.00 | AckisWork | http://d3db.com/news <-- give away for blizzcon tickets |
| 21:16.57 | kd3 | neuro; transmegistus? I can never spell their name |
| 21:17.02 | Neuro_Medivh | I notice a lot of fansites are giving away WWI cards, I'm assuming some kind of community manager at Blizzard gave all the big fansites 20 WWI cards apiece |
| 21:17.04 | alestane | But it often means that habits that we're encouraged to develop, in school say, may not work very well for you. |
| 21:17.06 | |pez| | I find it odd that I can mostly fall asleep at daytime, but after a certain point ( doesn't matter if I have had a nap earlier or not ) I can't sleep easily. |
| 21:17.40 | Neuro_Medivh | kd3, that's not the Fury-Masada-Kinetic guild is it? |
| 21:17.43 | alestane | |pez|: My wife has been seeing a doctor for a number issues, including one like that, and he suspects that her seratonin cycle is off. |
| 21:18.11 | kd3 | kinda. they reformed from kinetic to get away from the gmaster again |
| 21:18.18 | kd3 | like the last 3 guild reforms... >.> |
| 21:18.23 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 21:18.25 | kd3 | kalahad's trying to restart fury from what I've been hearing |
| 21:18.42 | alestane | Several of these things that affect our mood and energy are supposed to be daytime-cyclical, and sometime a rythm is just out of whack. |
| 21:18.43 | Neuro_Medivh | he's been trying that for 2 years. |
| 21:20.36 | |pez| | Ahwell, I'll go get something to drink, go pee, and maybe get something to eat, and try sleeping again... I'm getting up early tomorrow. |
| 21:20.43 | |pez| | thanks for advice guys ^^ |
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| 21:23.39 | Lunessa | cog|work: Damn - I looked everywhere but ChatFrame.lua... |
| 21:29.00 | Mike-N-Go | Is anyone else having trouble logging to the beta at the authentication screen? |
| 21:29.24 | Mike-N-Go | All it says for me is "Connected" and a button to cancel. |
| 21:30.26 | cog|work | that's where all slash commands go |
| 21:30.33 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, there it goes. |
| 21:33.24 | Lunessa | cog|work: Yeah. I had a total *headdesk* moment. |
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| 21:35.25 | AckisWork | I just did a budget for the first time in about 5 years |
| 21:35.36 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&sid=1&pageNo=6 #102 |
| 21:35.52 | foxlit | Seems oddly swapped - header code used to run before child code :) |
| 21:35.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Mike-N-Go: seems the servers are shutting down in a few minutes, so |
| 21:36.05 | cog|work | foxlit: #102 works as part of the url, you know ;) |
| 21:37.20 | alestane | foxlit: that mechanism is also changing. |
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| 21:37.40 | foxlit | So is there anything that is worth actually coding against in the current beta build? |
| 21:38.04 | Duman | I can has patch? |
| 21:38.22 | alestane | foxlit: Basic click changes and a few other things. We're expecting a new build any day now, but it's Blizzard...we'll get it when it's ready. |
| 21:38.33 | Duman | new build now |
| 21:38.35 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: actually, new build.. right now. |
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| 21:38.51 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023659493 |
| 21:39.09 | alestane | foxlit: the header does always get the first chance to intervene, but usually that code is attached to the child, even though the header creates it. |
| 21:40.15 | alestane | Interesting...apparently it's not down yet. |
| 21:40.48 | foxlit | Yeah, it is |
| 21:40.52 | foxlit | Well, sort of |
| 21:41.06 | foxlit | EU started off with a 15 minute warning and kicked everyone off at 7 minutes left :) |
| 21:41.50 | Shirik|AFK | cog|work: The reason is because we don't validate the password anymore :) |
| 21:41.55 | Shirik|AFK | only the username |
| 21:41.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i logged off at ~8m left on US, who knows when it decided to go down since. :P |
| 21:42.26 | alestane | foxlit: In this upcoming build your header will be able to wrap its own code around many scripts for any frame. That's how we're handling the whole "adopt" mechanism. You'll use something like header:WrapScript(frame, "OnClick", "prefix code", "postfix code") and the prefix code will be able to change the arguments passed to the original script or suppress it from running. |
| 21:43.18 | foxlit | Out of interest, why header:WrapScript and not frame:WrapScript? |
| 21:43.48 | alestane | Because the code being wrapped will run against the header's variables. |
| 21:44.39 | Mike-N-Go | Whoot, my first beta experience lasted.. 13 minutes. |
| 21:44.55 | alestane | And because it's easier to attach that code to the headers, which are built for that purpose, than the child, which may have been created by someone else and therefore not have the appropriate templates. |
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| 21:45.38 | foxlit | Lua method, right? |
| 21:46.49 | alestane | WrapScript is implemented in Lua, yes, and attached to a header using an initialization function. You can actually call it insecurely if you want to set up a third-party frame as a state header. |
| 21:48.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Mike, don't sweat it, you have at least a month, more likely 2, of beta to experience |
| 21:49.10 | Mike-N-Go | It is no problem.. I have only spent the last 21 hours downloading the beta patches.. |
| 21:49.15 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh |
| 21:49.37 | Maldivia | wee, patch :) |
| 21:49.41 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, Mike... you should try a DK at least through the end of the beginning area... it's exceptionally good |
| 21:49.47 | Maldivia | Mike-N-Go: there's a new patch tonight :) |
| 21:49.59 | Mike-N-Go | Is there a beta realm status page? |
| 21:50.17 | bleeter | goddamn these wow XSS forum errors are really starting to piss me off |
| 21:50.53 | bleeter | anyone know what the email address is for the Blizz WoW Forum team? I'd love to send them a dump of my console etc. |
| 21:53.42 | amro|afk | bleeter: nope but there's a forum for the website/forums |
| 21:54.49 | Neo|Other | Neuro_Medivh: except the ppl that can't handle how "evil" you are... when you're playing an exceptionally evil character! |
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| 21:56.41 | bleeter | amro|afk: stuffed if I can see it hehe |
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| 21:58.46 | |pez| | I wonder if I should compile a set of samle posts for my development blog (the one where I test my WordPress designs.. ) so I always know if I've forgotten something important that people use in their posts... |
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| 22:04.06 | Drundia | alestane, mhm, if I read it correctly HANDLE:IsUnderMouse(recursive) can return nil too early when a recursive check is requested. |
| 22:05.01 | alestane | I'll have to check that, but it's also possible to recurse manually. |
| 22:05.41 | Drundia | if (not w or not h) then return nil; end |
| 22:08.48 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm... pagliacci pizza |
| 22:10.58 | ScytheBlade1 | heh - the same dragon in the cinematic is on the login screen |
| 22:11.42 | g0urra | nowai!!1 |
| 22:12.00 | Tem|work | is the patch available for download yet? |
| 22:12.24 | Tem|work | eh, I'll find out when I get home |
| 22:12.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, that explains why I can't login |
| 22:12.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Do we have a guild number anywhere? |
| 22:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | *build |
| 22:13.57 | Drundia | how old is :GetRect()? |
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| 22:14.24 | Kirov | Drundia - very |
| 22:14.31 | Kirov | It might not do what you think though |
| 22:14.49 | Kirov | (even though the results you're getting are what you expect) |
| 22:15.19 | Drundia | i see l,b,w,h in RestrictedFrames.lua, but it's not in good old wowwiki list |
| 22:16.00 | Maldivia | the patch is available, yes |
| 22:17.49 | Kirov | hmm... I was actually thinking GetHitRect |
| 22:17.56 | Kirov | not sure how old GetRect is |
| 22:18.27 | Kirov | Heh, reminds me of GetID and SetID |
| 22:18.34 | Kirov | does anyone still use those? |
| 22:18.35 | Kirov | heh |
| 22:18.47 | haste | I do I believe |
| 22:18.59 | Drundia | they are even in restricted environment |
| 22:19.23 | Sixen | *waves* |
| 22:19.39 | Kirov | Never understood why you'd use those. |
| 22:19.44 | bleeter | heya Sixen |
| 22:19.57 | Sixen | How's it going, bleet? |
| 22:20.00 | bleeter | Cairenn: have you seen the XSS error again? |
| 22:20.02 | Kirov | frame.id = 1 is faster than frame:SetID(1) |
| 22:20.10 | Drundia | perhaps to store some secure numeric value |
| 22:20.10 | Cairenn | I've seen it twice |
| 22:20.18 | Cairenn | (total) |
| 22:20.22 | bleeter | Sixen: frustrating... every 2nd post to the forums, noscript is bitching at me about potential XSS hacks and eats my posts |
| 22:20.28 | Sixen | :( |
| 22:20.29 | Duman | really? |
| 22:20.45 | cbreak | it never does that to me |
| 22:20.45 | Sixen | Yeah, the Bnet forums could easily be pwnt by XSS. |
| 22:20.47 | Sixen | It's been done alreday. |
| 22:21.00 | Sixen | WoW forums = Based off of Bnet ones. |
| 22:21.04 | bleeter | yeah, really. i'm trying to locate some contact details for the forum guys to give them a heads up, having 0 luck |
| 22:21.29 | bleeter | I suspect it's something in the latest noscript |
| 22:21.32 | cbreak | you sure the error isn't a false positive? |
| 22:21.51 | Cairenn | bleeter: I can likely get it into the right hands ... |
| 22:22.07 | Lunessa | It happens on the "Preview" option. |
| 22:22.07 | bleeter | I'm fairly sure it IS a false positive, trying to identify what's tripping it up is the tricky bit, without being able to 'mess' with stuff all day... |
| 22:22.13 | bleeter | Cairenn: that'd be awesome, hun |
| 22:23.06 | Cairenn | okay, I just did three test posts, one of which I used the preview option, didn't come up on any of them |
| 22:23.13 | Cairenn | only showed up twice that first day |
| 22:23.43 | Cairenn | there has been a noscript update some point in the last couple days, did you get it bleeter? |
| 22:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | HA |
| 22:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I GOT THE NEXT BUILD PATCH |
| 22:25.40 | bleeter | Cairenn: yup, latest noscript was the 19th (my time, 3 days ago) |
| 22:25.48 | Maldivia | sb1: me too :) |
| 22:25.49 | Cairenn | bleeter: okay |
| 22:25.50 | ScytheBlade1 | For PC and OSX, whoo |
| 22:26.08 | Stanzilla | link :P |
| 22:26.28 | Stanzilla | patchnotes diff! :P |
| 22:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me a moment and you'll have a .torrent |
| 22:26.48 | cbreak | "PC"? :) |
| 22:27.10 | Duman | what, just a torrent? no direct dl? :) |
| 22:27.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Once I get the torrent I can give you that |
| 22:27.26 | Duman | hehe ;) |
| 22:27.39 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I got as NoScript update this morning. |
| 22:29.18 | bleeter | Lunessa: 1.7.9? |
| 22:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/WoW-3.0.1.8788-to-3.0.1.8820-enUS-downloader.torrent |
| 22:29.33 | Lunessa | bleeter: Yes. |
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| 22:29.52 | Stanzilla | ScytheBlade1: engb, too? :P |
| 22:30.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Stanzilla: sure, give me a few |
| 22:30.07 | Stanzilla | <3 |
| 22:30.17 | bleeter | whoa, big patch |
| 22:30.19 | Duman | hmm, why does my python torrent client hate those torrent files |
| 22:30.29 | Duman | maybe I need to update it |
| 22:31.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/OSX/OSX-8820.torrent |
| 22:31.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ OSX |
| 22:31.24 | cbreak | the EU servers don't seem to offer a patch yet |
| 22:31.28 | cbreak | at least not to me |
| 22:31.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Neither are the US servers |
| 22:31.33 | ScytheBlade1 | EU PC in a moment |
| 22:31.51 | foxlit | $ git checkout wrath |
| 22:31.52 | Fisker- | you know whats great? |
| 22:31.52 | foxlit | error: You have local changes to 'meh.toc'; cannot switch branches. |
| 22:31.57 | Fisker- | Just having downloaded the patch |
| 22:32.01 | foxlit | No, git, I don't :( |
| 22:32.05 | Fisker- | then it comes up with the dialog box that it's transferring |
| 22:32.16 | ckknight | foxlit: git stash ftw |
| 22:32.17 | Fisker- | as you are writing something in irc of course |
| 22:32.20 | Fisker- | gg cancel |
| 22:32.30 | sioraiocht | nevcairiel: you there? |
| 22:32.47 | bleeter | ah, some more clients on the torrent now... starting to get somewhere hehe |
| 22:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/WoW-3.0.1.8788-to-3.0.1.8820-enGB-downloader.torrent |
| 22:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ enGB |
| 22:33.01 | Xuerian | holy shit that's a big patch o.0 |
| 22:33.13 | bleeter | wonder if that's the 77-80 patch? |
| 22:33.24 | Stanzilla | ScytheBlade1: big thx |
| 22:33.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 22:33.33 | foxlit | ckknight: hum? |
| 22:33.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah the wonders of wireshark |
| 22:34.01 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: ppft, wireshark is for nubs. real people use snoop or tcpdump and a bucket of regexes :P |
| 22:34.05 | Cairenn | bleeter: email sent |
| 22:34.22 | bleeter | Cairenn: *hugs* |
| 22:34.25 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:34.28 | Fisker- | Doesn't say anything about it in the patch notes bleeter |
| 22:34.28 | Cairenn | sweet dreams clad|sleep |
| 22:34.34 | Fisker- | mace spec is nerfed though |
| 22:34.42 | clad|sleep | night! |
| 22:34.43 | Fisker- | now generates 10 rage |
| 22:34.54 | bleeter | oO hai clad|sleep nite clad|sleep |
| 22:35.11 | Lunessa | *can't wait for this week to be over* |
| 22:35.29 | bleeter | Lunessa: indeed. Only.... 8 1/2 hours to go woots |
| 22:35.34 | foxlit | $ git stash "No local changes to save" |
| 22:35.51 | Lunessa | I have to work through sat... grrr,. |
| 22:36.03 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: no peers/seeds :-( |
| 22:36.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (i=vschiu@adsl-75-36-225-188.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:36.16 | Drundia | what does scrub(...) do? |
| 22:36.32 | foxlit | removes unsafe arguments from ... |
| 22:36.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: I'm pullinh 500kB/sec on my home box, and I capped rtorrent at 1MB/sec on my server, so.. |
| 22:36.49 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: FASTER!!!! |
| 22:36.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: peer inject 64.22.125.133:6897 |
| 22:36.55 | Drundia | give cool thread listing it all |
| 22:37.45 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: how do I do that in Azureus? |
| 22:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: uhh, I think it's built-in, but it's been a while since I've used AZ |
| 22:38.09 | ckknight | what do you use? |
| 22:38.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Try right-clicking the peer listing and seeing if it's there |
| 22:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | rtorrent/uTorrent |
| 22:38.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Depending on OS |
| 22:38.22 | Diao | utorrent hoorah |
| 22:38.28 | Diao | you can manually add peers |
| 22:38.42 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: well, I'm on OS X |
| 22:38.52 | erikd | utorrent! |
| 22:39.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: shouldn't matter, AZ is AZ and I used it for the longest time... it should have it |
| 22:39.21 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 22:39.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not torrenting the OSX one yet, haha |
| 22:39.43 | Lunessa | ~fishslap ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:39.44 | purl | ACTION slaps ScytheBlade1 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:39.47 | ckknight | :-P |
| 22:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | But I've got room, I'll throw it up in a sec |
| 22:40.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Slackwise (n=Lance@c-24-13-181-223.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 22:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Or my download can drop to 80kB/sec |
| 22:40.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 22:41.30 | NightHawkTheSane | my osx torrent should be done in.. ~15m.. |
| 22:41.44 | NightHawkTheSane | assuming I can keep up 700k/s down. |
| 22:41.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, 667MB |
| 22:42.02 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I'm prolly the only Transmission client you're seeing there ;) |
| 22:42.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I wonder if we have access to a higher level cap and more zones |
| 22:42.21 | bleeter | I only use Transmission 'coz it's a cool song name |
| 22:42.24 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: not showing a transmission actually |
| 22:42.29 | NightHawkTheSane | given the size of that, it wouldn't surprise me. |
| 22:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm showing a bunch of uTorrent, a KTorrent, one Azureus, and two-three mainline |
| 22:44.28 | clad|sleep | if you have the .torrent |
| 22:44.34 | clad|sleep | i can start up a large pipe seeder |
| 22:44.36 | g0urra | ScytheBlade1: gg, enGB is 750 MB |
| 22:44.44 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|sleep: I linked them all earlier |
| 22:44.58 | clad|sleep | i'll do the last one you linked. |
| 22:45.08 | ScytheBlade1 | should be PC-enGB |
| 22:45.26 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.10 | clad|sleep | getting 1.8MB a second |
| 22:46.33 | clad|sleep | this is for beta? |
| 22:46.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yeas |
| 22:46.43 | Dewin | I'm not in the beta, but if you guys want I'll download the patch and donate some bandwidth. |
| 22:46.57 | clad|sleep | I'm not picking it up on launcher or in-game |
| 22:47.00 | clad|sleep | that normal? |
| 22:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I found the super secret URL for the patches :P |
| 22:47.18 | clad|sleep | ScytheBlade1: that's the downloader |
| 22:47.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Plugged in the new build number and tada |
| 22:47.22 | clad|sleep | i need the actual torrent |
| 22:47.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, and from the download I got the .torrent |
| 22:47.33 | clad|sleep | can you post that |
| 22:47.35 | clad|sleep | its tiny |
| 22:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, the GB patch is only for the downloader? |
| 22:48.00 | clad|sleep | look at the URL |
| 22:48.00 | clad|sleep | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/WoW-3.0.1.8788-to-3.0.1.8820-enGB-downloader.torrent |
| 22:48.03 | clad|sleep | -downloader |
| 22:48.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I know |
| 22:48.06 | clad|sleep | -patch would be the patch |
| 22:48.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That's how WoWTorrentEx works |
| 22:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Check the contents of the .torrent |
| 22:48.19 | clad|sleep | okay |
| 22:48.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It should be the full patch |
| 22:48.31 | clad|sleep | damn confusing :P |
| 22:48.40 | Cairenn | wow, impressive catch |
| 22:48.41 | clad|sleep | only 5 peers :P |
| 22:48.42 | Cairenn | http://www.funnyjunk.com/movies/1455/How+Does+She+Make+That+Catch/ |
| 22:48.52 | ScytheBlade1 | WoWTorrentEx names the .torrents exactly after the file |
| 22:48.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence the naming |
| 22:48.56 | clad|sleep | I'm giving you guys all I have |
| 22:48.57 | clad|sleep | ah okay |
| 22:48.58 | End | jezus, 14 minutes to download the US patch |
| 22:49.14 | End | I'm getting 900 KB down :o |
| 22:49.41 | clad|sleep | 1.7M down |
| 22:49.50 | clad|sleep | my upstream is climbing |
| 22:49.52 | clad|sleep | you greedy bitchez :P |
| 22:50.11 | clad|sleep | is the osx torrent you posted engb as well? |
| 22:50.12 | End | are the beta servers even back up? |
| 22:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | No, but I can grab that real fast |
| 22:50.38 | NightHawkTheSane | End: highly unlikey |
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| 22:50.50 | sioraiocht | WHO is Dewin? |
| 22:50.52 | NightHawkTheSane | they went down ~2:30 pst, probably wont be back up for another ~5 hours |
| 22:51.59 | clad|sleep | OH |
| 22:52.02 | clad|sleep | so I wanted to ask you guys |
| 22:52.05 | clad|sleep | Druid/Shaman |
| 22:52.13 | clad|sleep | how easy will it be for us to PVP together |
| 22:52.32 | Lunessa | typical - oracle crashes just when I need it most. |
| 22:52.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Aznamir (n=aznamir@ool-43544a0d.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:53.13 | Lunessa | clad|sleep: Which spec shaman? |
| 22:53.17 | clad|sleep | we can spec whatever |
| 22:53.18 | Tem | clad|sleep, 3v3 is probably your best bet |
| 22:53.20 | clad|sleep | we're both still leveling |
| 22:53.26 | clad|sleep | I would prefer to heal |
| 22:53.32 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.34 | Tem | (assuming you're talking TBC) |
| 22:53.34 | clad|sleep | since, aren't feral druids still gimp ass in pvp? |
| 22:53.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ^enGB OSX |
| 22:53.51 | Tem | aye, ferals are still gimp in pvp |
| 22:53.55 | Tem | LK looks to fix that |
| 22:54.00 | Lunessa | Druid as boomkin? |
| 22:54.00 | Tem | but LK is still a while off :) |
| 22:54.03 | Tem | lawl |
| 22:54.32 | Tem | druid pvp in any form other than resto atm is just an exercise in frustration |
| 22:55.02 | Lunessa | druid heal, shaman as enhance? could be a rocking combo. |
| 22:55.12 | Lunessa | Still, in @v@ might be rough. |
| 22:55.14 | clad|sleep | ScytheBlade1: seeing both, thanks |
| 22:55.16 | Lunessa | er 2v2 |
| 22:55.19 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|sleep: sure thing |
| 22:55.58 | clad|sleep | although I'm the only one downloading the osx at the moment :P |
| 22:56.25 | ScytheBlade1 | "Transportaion between Howling Fjord and Borean Tundra can be found at the Tuskarr villages in those zones." |
| 22:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Level cap is still 77 according to the notes though |
| 22:56.39 | p3lim|afk | Cairenn: ping |
| 22:56.46 | Aznamir | weak |
| 22:57.00 | Cairenn | p3lim: pong |
| 22:57.09 | Aznamir | i wonder if they fixed constant crashes around zul'drak |
| 22:57.13 | End | hasn't that transportation been around for a while? |
| 22:57.20 | ScytheBlade1 | dunno, but I just noticed it |
| 22:57.23 | End | Aznamir: ugh, yeah, I hope so |
| 22:57.24 | Aznamir | since last patch |
| 22:57.25 | foxlit | moral of the story: windows shares are evil |
| 22:57.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It wasn't in-game when I did the Fjord |
| 22:57.31 | Maldivia | Aznamir: hopefully... had that almost everytime I ran around mounted |
| 22:57.32 | Aznamir | turtles were working before |
| 22:58.01 | smcn | the walrus dudes near the turtle dock can teleport you |
| 22:58.01 | End | and the guy would teleport if you talked to him |
| 22:58.08 | End | yeah |
| 22:58.16 | smcn | i love the walrus dudes |
| 22:58.19 | Maldivia | Aznamir: too bad I finished that zone in the meantime :) |
| 22:58.21 | End | hehe |
| 22:58.27 | smcn | wait, is there a new build? |
| 22:58.36 | Aznamir | yeah, last week they turned the turtles on so you could use them to travel instead of the placeholder telepoter guy |
| 22:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|sleep: you have an OSX box by chance? |
| 22:59.16 | clad|sleep | yes I do |
| 22:59.26 | Aznamir | i'm already 77, waiting for the cap to be gone before I do any other quest |
| 22:59.40 | ScytheBlade1 | When you get the full OSX patch, mind trying `codesign -v WoW-whatever.app` and checking if they're signing the OSX patches yet? |
| 22:59.47 | p3lim | haste: ping |
| 22:59.56 | haste | p3lim: pong |
| 22:59.59 | smcn | i just hit 72 on my DK, didn't really start levelling past 70 until i got my blacksmithing up to 350 and by that time they patched in the increase XP :( |
| 23:00.11 | smcn | but i actually like it |
| 23:00.13 | foxlit | I can't even verify the signature on their windows patch :( |
| 23:00.20 | clad|sleep | ScytheBlade1: i'm not downloading it on my osx box |
| 23:00.25 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: mine verified fine - which one did you grab? |
| 23:00.26 | clad|sleep | i prefer to wait for the real releases :P |
| 23:00.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:00.31 | foxlit | enGB |
| 23:00.39 | foxlit | I blame windows, really |
| 23:00.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, let me see if I can download and check that |
| 23:00.45 | foxlit | It's refusing to update the icon, for example |
| 23:00.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: the enUS osx app is not signed |
| 23:00.50 | p3lim | add this to the oUF description (layour list): [*][URL=http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10522.html]oUF AI[/URL] |
| 23:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: bah. thanks though |
| 23:01.09 | NightHawkTheSane | np |
| 23:02.49 | clad|sleep | 2 more levels until flight form! |
| 23:03.17 | Maldivia | 68 or 75? |
| 23:03.18 | Aznamir | Is here anyone playing a paladin on beta server? |
| 23:03.27 | Maldivia | s/68/65/ |
| 23:03.39 | clad|sleep | Maldivia: 68... |
| 23:03.49 | clad|sleep | meaning I'm 66 right now. |
| 23:03.49 | erikd | i thought it was 68 or 77 |
| 23:04.32 | KarlKFI | i have a 76 pally on beta |
| 23:04.33 | Maldivia | ahh yeah, it's 68 - for some reason I thought it was 67... |
| 23:04.39 | Maldivia | and I've even levelled 2 druids... heh :) |
| 23:04.46 | smcn | omg me too |
| 23:04.50 | smcn | two druid club! |
| 23:04.52 | Maldivia | erikd: and yeah - but 2 levels from would be 66 or 75 :) |
| 23:04.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ... my sympathies, Maldivia |
| 23:05.26 | erikd | true :P |
| 23:05.41 | Maldivia | NightHawk: not that bad... kind of enjoying Balance right now in beta |
| 23:06.05 | ScytheBlade1 | The update was successful. |
| 23:06.18 | Sixen | Beta? |
| 23:06.20 | Maldivia | NightHawk: although starfall and typhoon are abit underwhelming at the moment |
| 23:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: yup |
| 23:06.25 | Lunessa | going home. |
| 23:06.27 | Lunessa | later |
| 23:06.28 | Sixen | nize |
| 23:06.31 | clad|sleep | I have two druids as well |
| 23:06.32 | clad|sleep | lol |
| 23:06.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: I've got links to .torrents if you want em', OSX and PC |
| 23:06.54 | Maldivia | I also have 2 mages, 2 priests and a paladin .) |
| 23:06.56 | Sixen | Oh, but not officially? |
| 23:07.01 | erikd | how big is the patch? |
| 23:07.01 | Aznamir | PC enUS please :) |
| 23:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I found the "URL" for the patches :) |
| 23:07.10 | erikd | and is the torrent safe? |
| 23:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Plugged in the proper build numbers and tada |
| 23:07.21 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: you mean "found" :) |
| 23:07.21 | Sixen | oh troof |
| 23:07.22 | ScytheBlade1 | erikd: on a PC, you can check the digital signature yourself |
| 23:07.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: i dunno, balance never really did it for me. i like tanking too much |
| 23:07.24 | Sixen | what's the next build? |
| 23:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 8820 |
| 23:07.34 | Sixen | Ok |
| 23:07.39 | Sixen | I'll brb. |
| 23:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/WoW-3.0.1.8788-to-3.0.1.8820-enUS-downloader.torrent |
| 23:07.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ enUS PC |
| 23:08.10 | Aznamir | 670mb... whoa |
| 23:08.24 | Maldivia | NightHawk: well, my intent was to level in beta as feral... but is runnig around levelling a warlock, and feral didn't really match |
| 23:08.36 | clad|sleep | I'll probably do balance |
| 23:08.39 | clad|sleep | cause of the spellpower change |
| 23:08.42 | clad|sleep | since i'll be in healing gear |
| 23:08.47 | clad|sleep | but who knows :P |
| 23:09.02 | erikd | big patch, interesting stuff inc! |
| 23:10.11 | NightHawkTheSane | clad|sleep: thing i noticed is that heal gear had lots of effective +dmg, but you typically didn't have the other things you want for caster dps.. namely crit & hit. |
| 23:10.12 | sioraiocht | ooh, ghost wolf is now a percentage of base mana...bummer |
| 23:10.21 | Maldivia | all spells are |
| 23:10.27 | clad|sleep | aye |
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| 23:12.52 | p3lim | haste: btw, no errors or bugs found in oUF 1.1 so far, works very smooth, have yet to test it in a 25man raid though |
| 23:15.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 23:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | The dragon on the loading screen has sounds now |
| 23:15.52 | End | cool |
| 23:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Although the landing is out of sync :( |
| 23:15.59 | End | :( |
| 23:16.54 | Cairenn | thanks for the torrent, ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:17.00 | bleeter | indeed |
| 23:17.01 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1++ |
| 23:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, sure |
| 23:17.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just glad that I got em' |
| 23:17.12 | End | ~karma ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:17.12 | purl | scytheblade1 has karma of 3 |
| 23:18.11 | smcn | is the new build downloading? |
| 23:18.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, and for the curious(ly paranoid), on any windows box you can right-click properties, digital signatures, and make sure that I didn't h4x0r you :P |
| 23:18.23 | smcn | good to know! |
| 23:18.34 | Aznamir | So comparing patch notes... |
| 23:18.34 | Aznamir | lots of hunter change |
| 23:18.50 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: h4x0r'ed me, np |
| 23:19.04 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm... the osx patch does not seem to want to launch >.> |
| 23:19.10 | foxlit | i.e. there's no digital signatures line |
| 23:19.13 | Maldivia | Aznamir: patch notes doesn't say anything |
| 23:19.20 | Maldivia | Aznamir: most of the changes aren't in there |
| 23:19.38 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: feel like posting the patch notes for us who are still d/ling? ;) |
| 23:20.03 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: do they update them on-disk as well as in the updater binary? |
| 23:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | If so I can just scp them up, sure |
| 23:20.18 | Maldivia | bleeter: http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/notes/enUS/8820?diff=1 |
| 23:20.33 | bleeter | oO wirebrain's still operating? |
| 23:20.45 | bleeter | the owner got perma banned, was threatening to totally quit, iirc |
| 23:20.54 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, for what? |
| 23:21.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ahah.. figured out why.. permissions got borked somewhere along the line |
| 23:21.27 | bleeter | account sharing. apparently lives in germany, took a week vacation elsewhere, got a ban roughly the same time he returned home, if I recall the story correctly |
| 23:21.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:21.45 | bleeter | yeah, i think he said he did play elsewhere |
| 23:21.51 | bleeter | as in, while on hilodays |
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| 23:23.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "New Talent - T.N.T. (Survival)" |
| 23:23.35 | Cairenn | wheee, net split! |
| 23:23.37 | bleeter | Maldivia: thx |
| 23:23.41 | End | wee! |
| 23:23.41 | Maldivia | wow - the engb torrent is slow... |
| 23:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Traps have increased crit and a 2sec stuf... |
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| 23:24.35 | smcn | haha "i've toured the fjord" now requires 130 quests, as if there wasn't enough people complaining about it already |
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| 23:24.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:24.35 | ScytheBlade1 | *stun |
| 23:24.35 | foxlit | Maldivia: there's no real swarm |
| 23:24.35 | bleeter | wish hunters could disarm their own damned traps |
| 23:24.36 | smcn | oooo |
| 23:24.36 | Stanzilla | that looked awesome |
| 23:24.36 | smcn | naxxramas achievements are in |
| 23:24.36 | Maldivia | foxlit: that would be an understatement |
| 23:24.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "Mace Specialization (Arms) no longer stuns enemies, and now generates 10 rage." |
| 23:24.36 | ScytheBlade1 | WHOO |
| 23:24.36 | End | yeah I saw that |
| 23:24.36 | End | thank GOD |
| 23:24.36 | foxlit | Well, you do get to draw from real seeds |
| 23:24.36 | foxlit | (in my case, 5x blizzard peers, each one of whom could saturate my downlink) |
| 23:24.36 | End | I was drawing from about 15 blizzard peers |
| 23:24.55 | alestane | Anyone have a copy of the US mac downloader, rather than a torrent? |
| 23:24.55 | End | which was all the ones that I could actually see |
| 23:24.55 | g0urra | big fucking netsplit |
| 23:25.07 | Maldivia | foxlit: I had that for us patch, but not gb :| |
| 23:25.16 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: clad was seeding them on a pipe with a lot of upstream, might want to ask him - my server is running out of space for all of these patches :( |
| 23:25.45 | NightHawkTheSane | "- Enrage (Fury) now increases damage done by 3/6/9/12/15%, limitation on number of attacks removed." |
| 23:25.45 | End | blah, sounds borked now |
| 23:25.58 | End | but I probably have to login or edit the WTF to fix it |
| 23:26.04 | alestane | Well see, I downloaded the patch, but when I launch it it just quits instantly. I was hoping the downloader app might be able to validate it or something. |
| 23:26.06 | clad|sleep | uploading 700KB a second on the PC one, and 100KB a second on the OSX one |
| 23:26.12 | End | I guess I'll worry about it later |
| 23:26.14 | clad|sleep | alestane: you have to chmod the actual executable. |
| 23:26.17 | clad|sleep | its always that way |
| 23:26.18 | p3lim | whats new in 8820? |
| 23:26.22 | clad|sleep | its the last step the blizzard downloader does |
| 23:26.24 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: er, yeah, what clad said |
| 23:26.26 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: check permissions, NightHawkTheSane had the same problem |
| 23:26.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Or that |
| 23:26.40 | NightHawkTheSane | chmod +x wow-wahtever.app/Contents/MacOS/Installer |
| 23:26.53 | clad|sleep | whee |
| 23:26.53 | Tem | what a lousy interview on Gamona.de |
| 23:27.00 | clad|sleep | 1 MB a second upstream |
| 23:27.03 | Tem | the interviewer keeps asking really fucking dumb questions |
| 23:27.12 | clad|sleep | only 15 peers |
| 23:27.13 | clad|sleep | bitchez |
| 23:27.17 | Tem | "lol ret paladins are OP you going to nerf them?" |
| 23:27.22 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 23:27.30 | Tem | ITS BETA, FUCKNUT |
| 23:27.30 | End | haha |
| 23:27.36 | alestane | That indeed appears to make a difference. |
| 23:27.53 | End | yeah, that question seemed stupid to me too |
| 23:28.01 | End | even though ret paladins are totally OP ;-p |
| 23:28.03 | p3lim | wth why did they change mace spec for rogues? :< |
| 23:28.17 | NightHawkTheSane | same reason they changed it for warriors? |
| 23:28.20 | p3lim | its really screwed over now, only sword stays unique |
| 23:28.38 | Tem | who cares? |
| 23:28.44 | Tem | mace spec was RNG bullshit in pvp |
| 23:28.47 | End | ^ |
| 23:28.49 | p3lim | I do? I used to pvp as combat mace |
| 23:28.57 | NightHawkTheSane | you're the reason it was changed, then. ;) |
| 23:29.02 | p3lim | lol |
| 23:29.13 | Tem | I'd like to introduce myself. I'm a pvp mage. |
| 23:29.16 | Tem | You can go sod off. |
| 23:29.21 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 23:29.28 | clad|sleep | same reason windfury was changed |
| 23:29.36 | clad|sleep | same reason other complicated random bullshit was changed |
| 23:29.36 | p3lim | Windfury was changed? when? |
| 23:29.39 | clad|sleep | to simplify the combat system |
| 23:29.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont really care, as i don't pvp. but damn stuns suck when you're tanking |
| 23:29.42 | clad|sleep | p3lim: ... duur? |
| 23:29.42 | smcn | windfury totem |
| 23:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | A while ago |
| 23:29.45 | clad|sleep | its a 10% haste buff |
| 23:29.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It's +haste instead of chance to bonus attack |
| 23:29.49 | clad|sleep | welcome to the new combat system |
| 23:29.50 | p3lim | ... |
| 23:29.51 | clad|sleep | its much nicer |
| 23:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | windfury's been changed every damn patch for like a year now |
| 23:30.05 | p3lim | in what patch did that happen? |
| 23:30.13 | p3lim | (havent moved over my shammy yet) |
| 23:30.16 | clad|sleep | all the "cool shit" just made the system too random and complicated |
| 23:30.24 | End | depending on the proc rate and whatnot, it might even be a buff (I doubt it though) |
| 23:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | p3lim: the wrath caster totem was changed too, from +dmg to +10% spell haste.. so yeah |
| 23:30.44 | p3lim | wasnt the caster totem crit? |
| 23:30.49 | End | totem of wrath or wrath of air? |
| 23:30.49 | ScytheBlade1 | There were two |
| 23:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | One was crit/hit |
| 23:30.54 | NightHawkTheSane | End: it probably comes out close for rogues/fury wars, a win for druids/hunters, and probably a loss for arms wars |
| 23:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | And another was +101 spell damage |
| 23:31.02 | p3lim | ah yeah that one |
| 23:31.06 | p3lim | I was thinking about the 41p |
| 23:31.06 | End | NightHawkTheSane: oh, yah, I suppose druids and hunters LOVE it |
| 23:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | +101 dmg is now +10% spell aste |
| 23:31.14 | Tem | for druids, who were suddenly able to benefit form windfury, the totem change is a nerf |
| 23:31.16 | ScytheBlade1 | *haste |
| 23:31.18 | NightHawkTheSane | End: hunters, esp, now that specials don't clip auto-shot |
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| 23:31.34 | Tem | melee haste is still meh for ferals |
| 23:31.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem: eh, i dunno how much windfury would have been good, though, with the fast attack speed.. |
| 23:31.36 | p3lim | So.. Windfury had a nerf.. bleh |
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| 23:31.43 | p3lim | Byebye shaman then |
| 23:31.45 | End | the hunters in my guild are really picky about their weapon speed it seems like |
| 23:31.55 | End | but the clip thing will help |
| 23:32.10 | Tem | the clip thing will make BM not the best raid spec anymore |
| 23:32.12 | Tem | which is awesome |
| 23:32.16 | NightHawkTheSane | End: they're picky about weapon speed PRECISELY because of specials clipping autos |
| 23:32.17 | Tem | I _hate_ bm hunters |
| 23:32.22 | ScytheBlade1 | End: same... I have one hunter in my guild who watches her weapon speed with a scary intensity, and whenever she starts firing *faster* than X she clicks off buffs to slow it down |
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| 23:32.34 | End | yeah |
| 23:32.37 | p3lim | End: currently there is some speed thats better for raiding than others (to get shots in between of steady shots) |
| 23:32.56 | Xuerian | Is this only the totem, or the windfury weapon spell too? |
| 23:32.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: yeah, there's hunters in my old guild who did that, too much haste makes it impossible to weave shots properly, and you LOSE dps with too much haste |
| 23:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: only totem, imbue's still the same |
| 23:33.14 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Here's the question. Does it stack? |
| 23:33.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: yes |
| 23:33.26 | Xuerian | Screw the rest of the group then. :D |
| 23:33.26 | NightHawkTheSane | one's a haste buff one's just a proc |
| 23:33.27 | End | well, the imbue is easier to balance |
| 23:33.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: srsly. ;) |
| 23:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | End: and yet, they still can't do it. :P |
| 23:33.41 | End | since you know exactly what shaman are going to have |
| 23:33.46 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: But isn't shot weaving going away, anyway? |
| 23:33.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: yes, read up. :D |
| 23:33.57 | End | well, yeah, but giving the rest of the group random attacks has bigger implications |
| 23:34.22 | NightHawkTheSane | I honestly think the WF change was more for raid synergy than any overpowerdness |
| 23:34.50 | Xuerian | Well I saw the picky about weapon speed conversation... didn't see mention of the autoattack clipping removal |
| 23:35.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: read further up. ;) |
| 23:35.10 | Xuerian | but but but I'm laaaazy |
| 23:35.34 | NightHawkTheSane | and.. i'm patched. |
| 23:35.40 | p3lim | transferring my shaman over to the beta servers now |
| 23:35.45 | p3lim | gotta check this mess out |
| 23:35.59 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: honestly, I like all the changes so far. |
| 23:36.09 | p3lim | less totems deployed I heard |
| 23:36.18 | kd3 | la-de-da |
| 23:36.34 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, the other reason to change WF totem was almost certainly totem-twisting |
| 23:36.46 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Ah, that little tiny sliver of a mention :P |
| 23:38.18 | Drundia | doesn't removal of auto-shot clipping let them fire more steadies in all cases? |
| 23:38.33 | NightHawkTheSane | yep |
| 23:38.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i think a blue noted that one change was like a ~30% dps boost |
| 23:39.20 | NightHawkTheSane | which is probably also why "- Steady Shot: Now has a 2.0 cast time, up from 1.5." |
| 23:39.27 | KarlKFI | it also allows melee to use weapon temp enchants |
| 23:39.47 | Xuerian | Ahh, nice mage glyph, dot removal on poly |
| 23:39.56 | smcn | wow |
| 23:40.00 | Maldivia | 14 new blacksmith recipees |
| 23:40.37 | Icecoldcoke | Is the beta patch up for download yet? |
| 23:40.37 | Maldivia | 25 new engineering recipees |
| 23:40.38 | KarlKFI | in today's patch? |
| 23:40.44 | Maldivia | in 8820 |
| 23:40.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: where are you getting this info? |
| 23:40.56 | End | oh, Maldivia's running the tradeskill program |
| 23:40.58 | Icecoldcoke | If it's not a level cap increase I may cry. |
| 23:41.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh |
| 23:41.05 | KarlKFI | any that require only sardonite and not both sardonite and cobalt? |
| 23:41.14 | End | to extract profession lists for his addon :P |
| 23:41.29 | Maldivia | NightHawk: did an extract, and comparing previous version with current |
| 23:42.02 | KarlKFI | kind of a pain, cause i have lots of sardonite and am past the areas where i could get cobalt, have to go specifical farm it |
| 23:42.14 | |pez| | guh, no sleep for pez. :\ |
| 23:42.25 | Shirik | rofl, that sucks..... |
| 23:42.34 | Maldivia | 53 new tailoring |
| 23:42.51 | Shirik | (19:21:16) - Netsplit (verne.freenode.net - irc.freenode.net) 33 quits |
| 23:42.52 | Shirik | (19:21:50) - Quit: TheBunny (n=CrackBun@71-87-62-72.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) (Excess Flood) |
| 23:42.59 | Shirik | DoS'ed by freenode |
| 23:43.00 | kd3 | lol |
| 23:43.13 | |pez| | ... XD |
| 23:43.16 | kd3 | and the hell? did blizz ship a kitchen sink in this build? |
| 23:43.21 | Maldivia | KarlKFI: Ornate Sardonite stuff... requires Sardonite bars and eternals |
| 23:44.12 | foxlit | high-res cinematic, np |
| 23:44.22 | Aznamir | Maldivia: How do you extract tradeskill recipes? |
| 23:45.05 | KarlKFI | good |
| 23:45.37 | KarlKFI | loop the #'s since the tradeskill links don't disc you? |
| 23:45.53 | End | I think he said there's a DBC table |
| 23:45.55 | End | or something |
| 23:45.58 | Mooninaut | server's down, must be client side |
| 23:46.31 | Maldivia | 19 new jewelcrafting (non gems) |
| 23:46.45 | End | non gems? |
| 23:46.46 | End | hm |
| 23:46.51 | End | rings and necklaces maybe? |
| 23:46.53 | Maldivia | rings, necklaces etc |
| 23:47.14 | Maldivia | trinkets |
| 23:47.15 | End | I wonder if prospecting will suddenly start giving powder. |
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| 23:47.17 | Mooninaut | toe rings, belly button piercings, dental work |
| 23:47.22 | End | or they're doing away completely with powder |
| 23:49.45 | Maldivia | ok, above numbers are quick counts, might be more or less :) |
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| 23:49.52 | Thunder_Child | lol, new jewlcrafting "grills" |
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| 23:53.16 | Xuerian | Grills? >_> |
| 23:53.17 | Icecoldcoke | "The level cap is currently set to 77." :/ |
| 23:53.30 | End | Icecoldcoke: maybe they fail at update patch notes? |
| 23:53.38 | End | we'll find out |
| 23:53.39 | Duman | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 23:53.40 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter_ (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 23:53.41 | Icecoldcoke | Maybe, because if Kalgan thought it was at 80 right now... |
| 23:53.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: pong - looking for the .exe? |
| 23:53.51 | Icecoldcoke | It would have had to be this patch to raise it to 80. |
| 23:53.54 | Duman | yah :) |
| 23:53.56 | Duman | if you have it |
| 23:53.59 | Duman | no worries if not |
| 23:54.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I just got out of the shower, it's probably done by now |
| 23:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me a sec to check on it |
| 23:54.06 | Duman | word |
| 23:54.08 | Duman | np |
| 23:54.11 | ScytheBlade1 | And copy it fo a public place :) |
| 23:54.21 | Maldivia | druid Swipe changed to 4 targets |
| 23:54.37 | alestane | They often fail at updating patch notes. |
| 23:54.54 | Icecoldcoke | There are patch mirrors here if anyone wants |
| 23:54.55 | Icecoldcoke | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023602703 |
| 23:56.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, it's done |
| 23:56.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Copying.. |
| 23:57.13 | Maldivia | hehe, positive/negative charge damage done upped by 50% :) |
| 23:57.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: curious, you IPv6 enabled? You seem like the type who would be ;) |
| 23:57.45 | cbreak | I bet kalgan can be 80 if he wants. or even more... |
| 23:58.11 | Duman | actually not right now, no :-/ |
| 23:58.17 | Duman | altho yeah, I would be the type to :) |
| 23:58.27 | Duman | oh man: |
| 23:58.27 | Duman | # Vengeance (Retribution) now stacks up to 2 times, reduced from 3. |
| 23:58.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I just grabbed an IPv6 tunnel last night for my server, hence the question :) |
| 23:59.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Patches/Beta/PC/WoW-3.0.1.8788-to-3.0.1.8820-enUS-patch.exe |
| 23:59.14 | KarlKFI | that's because it does 15% instead of 10 |
| 23:59.17 | ScytheBlade1 | (and others) |
| 23:59.27 | KarlKFI | er, i think |
| 23:59.28 | Duman | sbo word, DL'ing |
