| 00:00.18 | Kirov | heh |
| 00:00.37 | Kirov | lua> print [[zomg " \ no escapes!!!]] |
| 00:00.38 | lua_bot | Kirov: zomg " \ no escapes!!! |
| 00:00.41 | Drundia | you can always use [=[ ]=] then ;) |
| 00:01.01 | Cide | [=[ is to prefer, since ]] is used to stop multiline --[[ comments |
| 00:01.13 | Cide | and in nested table accessing |
| 00:01.18 | Cide | tbl1[tbl2[i]] |
| 00:01.50 | Kirov | I always use --]] ... but that's because then I can do ----[[ to turn of comments |
| 00:02.26 | Kaso | smart! |
| 00:03.12 | Drundia | it's "Interface\Minimap\Rotating-MinimapArrow.mdl" all in lowercase |
| 00:03.45 | Drundia | and m2 even |
| 00:04.26 | Drundia | hmm, what's its default scaling? :\ |
| 00:05.13 | Kirov | 1 |
| 00:05.22 | p3lim | hm so i could use :SetTexture([=[Insert\Texture\Here]=]) ? |
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| 00:05.31 | Kirov | p3lim - yes and no |
| 00:05.35 | Drundia | 1 appears to be too big |
| 00:06.13 | Drundia | i see 0.6 |
| 00:06.18 | Drundia | after reloadui |
| 00:06.29 | Kirov | You can, on some specific models, set an icon via ReplaceIconTexture() |
| 00:06.48 | Xuerian | o_0? |
| 00:07.07 | Drundia | what does it do? |
| 00:07.09 | Kirov | Drundia - then it's being set by the game |
| 00:07.13 | Kirov | (for the scale) |
| 00:07.20 | Kirov | Do you use UI scale? |
| 00:07.41 | Kirov | You know how when you pick an item up, there's a little animation that shows that item going in to your backpack? |
| 00:08.07 | leethal | oh srsly. Item link from bag index doesn't contain durability. Tooltip does. |
| 00:08.08 | Kirov | That's an animated model, one of maybe 3 models in the game you can use ReplaceIconTexture on and get usable results. |
| 00:08.23 | Kirov | leethal - correct |
| 00:08.42 | Kirov | leethal - you can only get dura information from items in your bags or on your person |
| 00:08.53 | Drundia | my uiscale is 0.75, so now i wonder where is it updated? |
| 00:09.04 | Kirov | Drundia - no where in the lua code |
| 00:09.14 | Kirov | Most everything pertaining to the Minimap is done via c++ |
| 00:09.36 | Kirov | The fact that the minimap arrows are all accessable from lua is a quirk |
| 00:09.47 | Kirov | bbiab |
| 00:09.58 | Xuerian | leethal: Welcome to tooltip scanning, the place addons parse the information that blizzard formats the information into. |
| 00:10.24 | leethal | feels like CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_LOG all over agani |
| 00:10.30 | Xuerian | Exactly. |
| 00:10.35 | Xuerian | Or CHAT_MSG_LOOT now |
| 00:10.50 | Kirov | *cough* any CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM *cough* |
| 00:11.05 | Xuerian | That too, CHAT_MSG_LOOT isn't a _SYSTEM message. |
| 00:11.13 | Kirov | leethal - if you want to see true evil, download the oldest version of Simple Action Sets. |
| 00:12.06 | Drundia | so if minimap requires to create more arrows it will and they will be shown again |
| 00:13.37 | leethal | =/ |
| 00:13.57 | Kirov | Drundia - it creates all arrows possible when the game starts |
| 00:14.13 | Kirov | It might, however (unfortunatly) reset the scale values |
| 00:15.43 | Kirov | My original version of Simple Action Sets was built at a time when it wasn't possible to get information about what exactly the cursor was holding, or what exactly was on an action id. |
| 00:15.54 | KautionTape | Any way to turn a button's text 90 degrees, onto it's side? |
| 00:15.54 | Kirov | So, lots of string parsing and guessing to figure it out. |
| 00:16.28 | Xuerian | KautionTape: Vertical text, you mean? |
| 00:16.47 | Xuerian | Well... Ends up. going... vertical... guess it's not vertical, per-say |
| 00:16.57 | KautionTape | Yeah, like that. =) |
| 00:17.00 | leethal | oh yay! GetContainerItemDurability and GetInventoryItemDurability |
| 00:17.16 | Xuerian | leethal: Docs ftw? |
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| 00:18.03 | leethal | google said: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=2E7BB40298BC2A8BEC488F525707E8AD?topicId=879058320&postId=25737210455&sid=1 |
| 00:18.10 | Drundia | Kirov, i think it should create extra arrows if needed, just like gametooltips create more fontstrings and worldframe creates more nameplate frames |
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| 00:19.48 | KautionTape | So... any way to get vertical text? =D |
| 00:21.02 | adam_sc | Ooh, great, I never knew a channel like this existed lol |
| 00:21.35 | ScytheBlade1 | .ap 1656 |
| 00:21.47 | Shirik | ~fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:21.48 | purl | ScytheBlade1: FAIL! |
| 00:22.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: for a friend |
| 00:22.16 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:22.20 | Shirik | ~fail ScytheBlade1's friend |
| 00:22.21 | purl | ScytheBlade1's friend: FAIL! |
| 00:23.03 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 00:23.34 | leethal | "break" doesn't exit the loop, it skips to the next step in the loop, right? |
| 00:23.45 | Shirik | no |
| 00:23.48 | Shirik | break exits the loop |
| 00:24.00 | Shirik | continue goes to the next step (in languages that have it, not including Lua) |
| 00:24.13 | Shirik | lua> for x = 1,5 do print(x) if x == 3 then break; end end |
| 00:24.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1, 2, 3 |
| 00:24.36 | Shirik | hi adam_sc |
| 00:25.44 | adam_sc | Lol I'm new ;] |
| 00:26.15 | Cide | "lol" in every reply is banned from this channel. use at your own risk |
| 00:26.43 | adam_sc | aye ok |
| 00:26.44 | NeoTron | what if I am discusisng my ad |
| 00:26.45 | Shirik | ~lart Cide |
| 00:26.45 | purl | rm -rf's Cide |
| 00:26.46 | NeoTron | err |
| 00:26.55 | NeoTron | what if I am discussing an addon named lol? :) |
| 00:27.02 | adam_sc | meh. |
| 00:27.04 | Cide | then rename the stupid addon |
| 00:27.20 | Cide | ... |
| 00:27.22 | Cide | ~fail Cide |
| 00:27.23 | purl | Cide: FAIL! |
| 00:27.37 | batrick | n3rd rage |
| 00:27.49 | Shirik | hey batrick |
| 00:27.54 | Shirik | My brother's computer won't start |
| 00:27.57 | batrick | haro shirik |
| 00:28.01 | Shirik | if I short the PW_OK pin to ground, it turns on |
| 00:28.02 | Drundia | you can call it "el-oh-el" in this channel |
| 00:28.04 | Shirik | and the switch works fine |
| 00:28.10 | Shirik | so I assume the board's bad, but nothing looks bad |
| 00:28.12 | Shirik | any ideas? |
| 00:28.19 | Cide | Drundia: do so and I kill you |
| 00:28.20 | batrick | i've seen dumb shit like that before |
| 00:28.31 | Shirik | I did notice there appears to be this orange stuff around what appears to be some kind of transistor though |
| 00:28.38 | Shirik | It's very light though, hardly noticable |
| 00:28.41 | Shirik | looks kinda coppery |
| 00:28.47 | Shirik | Any idea what that might be? |
| 00:28.54 | batrick | nope |
| 00:28.58 | Shirik | hrm :/ |
| 00:29.05 | Shirik | I'm tempted to replace it but don't want to blow anything up |
| 00:29.10 | Shirik | on the other side, his computer is already toast |
| 00:29.16 | NeoTron | Cide has got angers |
| 00:29.19 | Drundia | why not? blowing things up is cool |
| 00:29.23 | Cide | nope |
| 00:29.31 | Shirik | blowing up things almost took out one of my eyes, Drundia >< |
| 00:29.33 | Cide | I just decide things |
| 00:30.04 | batrick | ~rage |
| 00:30.05 | purl | methinks rage is http://avis.lightband.com/david/rage128-howto.html |
| 00:30.09 | NeoTron | so superiority complex or something along those lines? :) |
| 00:30.16 | Shirik | Hey, Cide is awesome |
| 00:30.19 | batrick | ~fail purl |
| 00:30.20 | purl | purl: FAIL! |
| 00:30.20 | Shirik | one of the few people that realize the truth |
| 00:30.25 | Shirik | that tabs are evil |
| 00:30.28 | Cide | ^ |
| 00:30.29 | NeoTron | ~truth |
| 00:30.30 | purl | from memory, truth is often known as T-theory. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-schema |
| 00:30.42 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: fix my server while your at it, it turns on and shows the gfx card bios screen but then turns off before showing the real bios, and then needs unpluged long enough for all the capacitors to discharge before it can be turned on again |
| 00:30.49 | Cide | Arrowmaster: you're* |
| 00:30.57 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, that's kinda awesome actually |
| 00:31.02 | Cide | I hate newbies who abuse purl |
| 00:31.12 | Shirik | like me? |
| 00:31.17 | Cide | you abuse everything |
| 00:31.21 | Shirik | so true |
| 00:31.21 | Cide | you're free to abuse me tho |
| 00:31.24 | Shirik | oh ;) |
| 00:31.26 | batrick | batbot: is Cide n3rd raging? |
| 00:31.27 | batbot | batrick, Without a doubt. |
| 00:31.36 | Cide | I always nerd rage in that case |
| 00:31.39 | Cide | which is pretty awesome |
| 00:32.01 | adam_sc | @Cide I see you're the life and soul here ;] |
| 00:32.08 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, it turns itself off |
| 00:32.08 | Cide | yes |
| 00:32.09 | Shirik | ? |
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| 00:32.17 | NeoTron | this is IRC (said properly in a spartan voice of authority, but didn't want to caps it) |
| 00:32.23 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 00:32.42 | Shirik | The only reason that should happen so early is if the PW_OK line floats low, which would be an indication that the PSU isn't able to keep up with demand |
| 00:32.42 | Shirik | is it pci-e? |
| 00:32.44 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:32.53 | Shirik | hm |
| 00:32.53 | leethal | Shirik: so, this is how to do that in lua, I guess? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94118 |
| 00:32.53 | Arrowmaster | its old |
| 00:33.14 | Cide | leethal: yes |
| 00:33.18 | Shirik | leethal: precisely |
| 00:33.23 | Arrowmaster | and an OEM so replacing the PSU would be a bitch |
| 00:33.24 | leethal | I see, thanks =) |
| 00:33.44 | Shirik | Actually, Arrowmaster, I take this back |
| 00:33.58 | Shirik | What kind of server is this? |
| 00:34.16 | Arrowmaster | its actually a desktop that i repurposed as a server |
| 00:34.22 | Arrowmaster | shitty HP |
| 00:34.22 | Shirik | ok so it is ATX then? |
| 00:34.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah kinda |
| 00:34.40 | Shirik | ok then I reassert my statement that that is likely the only thing that could really be causing the problem :) |
| 00:34.55 | Arrowmaster | the PSU deffently isnt ATX sized though so replacing it will be a bitch |
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| 00:35.00 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:35.07 | Cide | you went through all that dialogue, Shirik, just so you could use "reassert" |
| 00:35.13 | Cide | I got you, Shirik. I got you. |
| 00:35.15 | Cide | I get you. |
| 00:35.17 | Shirik | ~kill Cide |
| 00:35.18 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged pseudophoton gun at Cide |
| 00:35.36 | Cide | yeah, pseudophotons really hurt. |
| 00:35.49 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Actually, it might be a bit bad if you aren't using an ATX PSU. But did this just start happening or has it always been a problem? |
| 00:36.00 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: time to retire it? |
| 00:36.14 | Shirik | If it just started it's not likely an incompatibility. But I do know there is something strange with ATX where it sends a signal and then you need a response signal in less than 500ms or it shuts down or something |
| 00:36.22 | Shirik | I forget what that was |
| 00:36.29 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: well it was working fine until we replaced it with a new desktop and i got to repurpose it |
| 00:36.32 | Shirik | we had that problem on our PC/104 because we were using an AT supply with an ATX board |
| 00:36.41 | Arrowmaster | as soon as it got moved this started happening on and off |
| 00:37.39 | Arrowmaster | but now it always happens |
| 00:38.08 | Shirik | yeah, PSU would be my first guess |
| 00:38.39 | Shirik | you know, I wonder what would happen if I shorted the PW_OK pin to ground while the power supply is connected |
| 00:38.48 | Shirik | would it turn on successfully or would the board get pissed |
| 00:38.59 | Shirik | I should try this |
| 00:46.10 | leethal | hmmpf, I wish addons stopped using minimap buttons and started using the addons tab in interface options |
| 00:46.31 | leethal | to "force" addon users to be aware of that panel and check it when they wonder where to find config options |
| 00:47.54 | adam_sc | I wish addons stopped using the minimap buttons so I can make my UIs look more minimal ;] |
| 00:48.01 | NeoTron | leethal: LDB launcher button |
| 00:48.22 | NeoTron | no reason to be unnecessarily user unfriendly :P |
| 00:48.30 | NeoTron | with LDB the user has the final decision |
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| 00:55.16 | leethal | is it possible to get the icon for an item when you have the item id? |
| 00:55.25 | leethal | I also have the itemlink for the item, I guess I can get the icon from there |
| 00:55.41 | Kirov | item link doesn't have an icon |
| 00:55.41 | NeoTron | GetItemInfo |
| 00:55.51 | NeoTron | GetItemInfo(id|link) |
| 00:56.02 | NeoTron | ~api GetItemInfo |
| 00:56.03 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo |
| 00:56.03 | leethal | would be hawt to be able to store a table of ids and get everything I need from the ID, though |
| 00:56.07 | leethal | yarr, I'll look into that one |
| 00:57.18 | leethal | awesomeness |
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| 01:22.01 | adam_sc | Anybody know what the above target frame mod is in this screen: http://i9.tinypic.com/5yrilo9.jpg? |
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| 01:23.18 | Kirov | probably pitbull |
| 01:24.19 | adam_sc | Ah, the UF mod I hate >.< |
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| 01:32.58 | KautionTape | What do you hate about Pitbull? |
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| 01:35.56 | adam_sc | The fact that I can't use it. |
| 01:36.37 | KautionTape | xD Fair 'nuff |
| 01:37.38 | adam_sc | I use ag_uf and I like that, just recently I started to forget I have uniframes and use the bars above my enemies instead, but the blizz ones are way too bulky |
| 01:40.39 | KautionTape | Yeah, I use the nameplates too. Had to get Nameplates Modifier though... disliked the Blizzard ones |
| 01:41.43 | adam_sc | Ah there is a mod that changes it? |
| 01:42.05 | KautionTape | There's a few I think |
| 01:42.13 | KautionTape | I use this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6852-Nameplatesmodifier.html |
| 01:42.22 | adam_sc | thanks for the link ;] |
| 01:42.51 | adam_sc | ah thats just what I want, cheers |
| 01:42.51 | KautionTape | Sure. =) |
| 01:43.35 | kd3 | whee... mythtv keeps choking on my anime collection |
| 01:44.19 | Xuerian | kd3: Perhaps it's time to not watch so much porn? :p |
| 01:45.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ too much hentai, imo. ;) |
| 01:45.11 | kd3 | ... |
| 01:45.15 | kd3 | 0 megs of hentai |
| 01:45.25 | Xuerian | Hurr hurr :P |
| 01:45.30 | Kirov | Another popular nameplate modifier is Aloft |
| 01:46.09 | kd3 | and there's a gig of ram. ^C |
| 01:46.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder if aloft will work in wrath as is.. seeing as it's author seems mia.. |
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| 01:48.22 | ajmitch | someone should just pick up development of it |
| 01:48.54 | NightHawkTheSane | you volunteering? :P |
| 01:51.17 | adam_sc | think there is a chance you could get aloft working like http://media.curse.com/adjust_images/resize/750x500/23/188.jpg but with just the hp-bar? |
| 01:52.42 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 01:52.59 | adam_sc | Ah, and texture the hp bar ^^? |
| 01:53.05 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 01:53.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i believe aloft uses shared media for status bar textures |
| 01:53.26 | adam_sc | AH just what I wanted <3 |
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| 01:53.41 | NightHawkTheSane | aloft is -highly- configurable. it's pretty nice. |
| 01:54.16 | Wobin | goddamn, otherwobin |
| 01:54.28 | Wobin | why can't he just use another nick instead of stealing mine when offlnie |
| 01:55.43 | Wobin | nevcairiel, ping |
| 01:55.47 | adam_sc | I want to try and get the same result as http://i9.tinypic.com/5yrilo9.jpg |
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| 01:56.33 | NightHawkTheSane | should be possible. i wouldn't be surprised if that IS aloft in that pic |
| 01:58.04 | adam_sc | Cheers thats something I can mess around with in a few hours |
| 01:59.02 | ajmitch | NightHawkTheSane: so what's broken in aloft at the moment, apart from little things like the threat bar? |
| 01:59.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ajmitch: no idea, actually. i havn't tried it in beta yet. hence why i said "i wonder if [it] will work in wrath as is" :P |
| 01:59.40 | adam_sc | http://joe.disciplesofdeathguild.com/joeui/screens/aloft.jpg is aloft, so I guess the above shot is too |
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| 02:28.17 | Corrodias | query: |
| 02:28.44 | Corrodias | what are the licensing rules in the US for a photograph or published work that isn't officially claimed under a specific license? |
| 02:28.58 | Corrodias | i mean, i don't think it's automatically public domain |
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| 02:29.54 | kd3 | it's automatically under regular copyright and you have no permission outside of what the law provides |
| 02:30.31 | Corrodias | what does it provide? just a quickie overview, i'm just curious |
| 02:30.59 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright |
| 02:31.01 | Corrodias | i doubt anyone posting personal pics on the web would really have much cause to enforce anything unless someone started making money from it |
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| 02:34.36 | Cide | Corrodias: doesn't make it any less illegal |
| 02:35.22 | Corrodias | all the more fun |
| 02:35.44 | Corrodias | but this has nothing to do with addons; i'm just curious about photography |
| 02:36.23 | Wobin | ? |
| 02:37.38 | Neuro__Medivh | sigh, I love falling through the world |
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| 02:45.42 | |pez| | fuck this, I'm going to see my doctor about getting some sleepassisting pills. |
| 02:47.57 | Corrodias | you just need a heavy enough hammer |
| 02:48.23 | |pez| | Now see, that would hurt. |
| 02:48.27 | |pez| | not good for studying. |
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| 02:49.37 | kd3 | nuts. it looks like fay's gonna miss us. bah, we need the rain |
| 02:53.05 | Corrodias | this first-sale doctrine stuff is confusing |
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| 03:16.59 | Shirik | ... wtf |
| 03:17.08 | Shirik | so my brother turns on his xbox (I'm at my parents' house right now) |
| 03:17.22 | Shirik | and on my laptop pops up "XBox 360 was found on your network. Set it up now?" |
| 03:17.33 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 03:17.47 | Neuro__Medivh | you have vista? |
| 03:17.49 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:17.53 | Neuro__Medivh | yep, that's why |
| 03:17.59 | Shirik | what's it trying to do >.> |
| 03:18.01 | |pez| | Hey, that's actually rather neat. |
| 03:18.12 | Unnamed-10B8D6 | microsoft product + microsoft product = violation of privacy |
| 03:18.16 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:18.29 | Shirik | if you want privacy, you don't want a wireless network :P |
| 03:18.29 | Neuro__Medivh | lol, how so? |
| 03:18.54 | Shirik | but what is there to set up? |
| 03:18.56 | Shirik | That's what I find odd |
| 03:18.59 | Thunder_Child | because it was not initiated by the user Nechckn |
| 03:19.04 | batrick | Shirik: movies and shit |
| 03:19.10 | Thunder_Child | bah, Neuro__Medivh i meant |
| 03:19.10 | |pez| | Shirik: mediacenterstuff |
| 03:19.13 | batrick | that is, mainly media |
| 03:19.26 | Thunder_Child | you can stream |
| 03:19.27 | Neuro__Medivh | TC, so? That happens all the time with all kinds of products |
| 03:19.30 | Corrodias | to... do what, share files with the xbox? |
| 03:19.33 | Shirik | ah interesting |
| 03:19.38 | Thunder_Child | Neuro__Medivh, yep, and i hate em all |
| 03:19.48 | Neuro__Medivh | Something to do with XBox live interfacing with Vista |
| 03:19.57 | Jagannath | erikd, you still here? |
| 03:20.00 | |pez| | Corrodias: You can use your xbox 360 to connect to the computer, and watch movies from your computer, on your TV! |
| 03:20.02 | Neuro__Medivh | so you can pull screenshots and movies and high scores and other weird shit |
| 03:20.18 | Corrodias | wow, i... have no desire... but then i have no xbox either |
| 03:20.25 | Thunder_Child | and vice versa |
| 03:20.28 | Neuro__Medivh | don't own a 360, so I don't know. There's no game on the Xbox that's not also for the 360 that I want to play |
| 03:20.36 | Neuro__Medivh | er, that's not also for the PC |
| 03:20.46 | |pez| | I'd love a 360 really. |
| 03:20.46 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 03:20.47 | Shirik | Oops |
| 03:20.51 | Shirik | I'm going through this setup in my room |
| 03:20.58 | |pez| | it has games I'd like, and I can use it as a mediacenter, which we badly need. |
| 03:21.00 | Shirik | and I see this instruction |
| 03:21.06 | Shirik | "Please enter the 8 digit code you see on your TV screen" |
| 03:21.12 | Shirik | from the other room I hear "What the hell did you do?!" |
| 03:21.17 | kd3 | lmao |
| 03:21.18 | Thunder_Child | lol Shirik |
| 03:21.20 | |pez| | harr :D |
| 03:21.28 | Neuro__Medivh | tell him "Nothing... oh shit, someone's hacking ur XBOXZ! |
| 03:21.36 | Corrodias | excellent! it lets you fuck with someone else's stuff on the same network |
| 03:21.44 | Corrodias | i bet that's a BIG hit at universities |
| 03:22.16 | kd3 | meh. I miss living in the dorms |
| 03:22.18 | Corrodias | vista: hey, i detected something. fuck with it? user: okay. xbox: lol accept connection! |
| 03:22.21 | |pez| | security settings, they're there for a reason. |
| 03:22.37 | kd3 | so much stuff accessible on the subnet that probably shouldn't have been... >.> |
| 03:22.48 | Corrodias | |pez|:i must say, a console should not need a firewall |
| 03:23.12 | Shirik | psh |
| 03:23.16 | |pez| | but the xbox isn't a regular console now is it XD |
| 03:23.22 | Corrodias | it's just going onto the internet to play games. it doesn't (god, i hope) even have modem capability. |
| 03:23.42 | Neuro__Medivh | it's just a PC with custom software though |
| 03:23.48 | Neuro__Medivh | heck, you can load Linux on it |
| 03:23.49 | Corrodias | well, it is designed my microsoft, so it very well MAY be a bloated piece of crap with bad security and pointless "features" |
| 03:23.52 | Shirik | Well Corrodias obviously it has some kind of TCP knowledge |
| 03:24.02 | Corrodias | i guess i was hoping for better |
| 03:24.30 | Corrodias | Neuro__Medivh: yes, but the OS shouldn't be allowing much for outside users |
| 03:24.38 | Corrodias | the OS that comes on it, i mean |
| 03:24.41 | kd3 | modem capacity? no. it's not going to dial some random island in the Caribbean at $49/min |
| 03:24.45 | Neuro__Medivh | why not? That's a new feature! |
| 03:24.51 | Neuro__Medivh | interfacing with your comp |
| 03:24.58 | Shirik | honestly, I wonder what the future holds for gaming consoles |
| 03:25.05 | Shirik | the line is being blurred between PC and console |
| 03:25.11 | Corrodias | how silly would it be to have a firewall on a gamecube? it doesn't DO anything but connect to a server to play a game. if that. i really don't remember what it is capable of. |
| 03:25.12 | kd3 | being blurred? |
| 03:25.14 | Shirik | sure |
| 03:25.17 | Shirik | look at the xbox |
| 03:25.26 | kd3 | I'd counter that with "what line?" |
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| 03:25.29 | Shirik | it's essentially a computer without all the software |
| 03:25.44 | Kirov | And a custom cpu |
| 03:26.02 | Shirik | the wii, on a side note, brings a completely different set of cards to the table |
| 03:26.10 | Shirik | but in all honesty, it's nothing a computer couldn't do |
| 03:26.13 | Corrodias | i do not appreciate this trend of consoles becoming like weak PC's |
| 03:26.26 | Neuro__Medivh | you ever see that head-tracking demo some guy put together using the Wii controller? |
| 03:26.39 | Corrodias | but perhaps it is useful for people who don't want to put up with a PC's shit |
| 03:26.43 | Shirik | Neuro__Medivh: I've seen cooler |
| 03:26.46 | |pez| | I wouldn't really say they're weak computers. |
| 03:26.55 | Shirik | I've seen a guy that made a wiimote into a paintbrush for things like MS Paint |
| 03:26.58 | Neuro__Medivh | they're not weak, they're narrow-focus |
| 03:27.24 | Shirik | and then if you use two at once |
| 03:27.28 | Shirik | you can do some REALLY crazy things |
| 03:27.46 | Neuro__Medivh | I believe Nintendo lost some court decision about the wii remote as well |
| 03:27.57 | Kirov | And, unlike the PS3 and the XBox, which both use proprietary variations on Bluetooth, the Wii just uses vanilla bluetooth for everything. |
| 03:28.27 | Nechckn | Quit pinging me, Thunder_Child... or I'll have to come to your house again and it won't be nearly as enjoyable. |
| 03:28.44 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn |
| 03:28.53 | Nechckn | ./woof! |
| 03:29.00 | Corrodias | the thing consoles have going for them is a low price |
| 03:29.13 | Corrodias | i'm not sure how they manage. actually, from the sound of things, they practically sell them wholesale, if not at a loss |
| 03:29.20 | Neuro__Medivh | at a loss |
| 03:29.28 | Neuro__Medivh | Sony takes quite a loss every time |
| 03:29.37 | kd3 | ps3/xbox360s are sold as a loss-leader |
| 03:29.40 | |pez| | they're selling the console to sell games. |
| 03:29.43 | Neuro__Medivh | yep |
| 03:29.43 | kd3 | nintendo actually makes a profit on the wii |
| 03:29.51 | Corrodias | Sony hates you. just remember that. |
| 03:29.57 | Nechckn | yep- it's all about those $40+ games =) |
| 03:30.01 | Neuro__Medivh | Sony made EQ. So screw em |
| 03:30.17 | Neuro__Medivh | or, more to the point, Sony ruined EQ |
| 03:31.03 | Corrodias | and there you have it, they get to force publishers to pay royalties just for releasing games for the hardware, no? |
| 03:31.19 | Kirov | Sony everquest and Sony PS3 are different sonys |
| 03:31.55 | Kirov | The Sony that makes the PS3 has to pay its parent company to use Bluray |
| 03:31.58 | Corrodias | sony in general seems to treat consumers like idiots, but i don't have the evidence handy at the moment |
| 03:32.01 | Neuro__Medivh | and yet, people paint all of Microsoft with the same evil brush |
| 03:32.26 | Kirov | Corrodias - and so far it seems to be working. They've convinced everyone it's a more powerful system. |
| 03:32.46 | Kirov | It's @#%! half the @#%! power of the XBox 360... @#%! |
| 03:32.48 | Corrodias | oh, i have no idea about whether the hardware is powerful. it's quite uninteresting to me even if it is |
| 03:33.07 | Neuro__Medivh | the only selling point the ps3 has over the xbox360 is the blu-ray player |
| 03:33.41 | Kirov | It has three selling points that are real |
| 03:33.42 | Corrodias | well, console-exclusive games. not that they have many i care about. i think i've heard about 3. |
| 03:33.54 | Corrodias | 2 if you don't count mgs4, which i don't because i didn't play the previous 3. |
| 03:34.14 | Neuro__Medivh | ps3 console exclusives usually tend to be games like Final Fantasy, of which I've played zero |
| 03:34.15 | NeoTron | hrm doesn't seem to be any event to trigger on when I resize the window on the mac or toggle FS/windowed |
| 03:34.29 | Kirov | Blu-ray, larger (and easily upgradable) harddrive, and in the consumer mind less problems (ie: no ring of death) |
| 03:34.46 | Neuro__Medivh | I thought the ring of death was for the original xbox |
| 03:34.57 | Kirov | Neuro__Medivh - xbox 360 |
| 03:35.02 | Neuro__Medivh | ah |
| 03:35.26 | Shirik | you know, I just thought |
| 03:35.36 | Shirik | What with these authenticators Blizzard's giving out |
| 03:35.44 | Shirik | it might be nice to have a way to generate an RSA key to sign in with |
| 03:35.45 | Neuro__Medivh | selling, you mean =) |
| 03:35.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Giving out? |
| 03:35.49 | NeoTron | except.. UPDATE_FLOAT_CHAT_WINDOWS... |
| 03:35.49 | Shirik | selling |
| 03:35.50 | Shirik | whatever |
| 03:35.53 | Corrodias | like condoms in a 5th grade sex ed class |
| 03:35.57 | Shirik | it's only fricking $7 |
| 03:36.12 | Neuro__Medivh | I'm already paying them 15 a month! |
| 03:36.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd prefer an public/private key pair to auth to WoW, too |
| 03:36.23 | Shirik | I would like to see them be able to accept keys so that you don't have to log in anymore |
| 03:36.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a smart card reader + personal smart cards |
| 03:36.44 | Kirov | The PS3 is a giant beast of a system because the entire inside is filled with a heatsink. |
| 03:36.51 | ccox | Shirik - yet some people have still lost control of their Bliz accounts even with those things |
| 03:37.07 | Neuro__Medivh | I call bullshit, ccox |
| 03:37.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ccox: no, those people were liars to one degree or another |
| 03:37.14 | Shirik | ccox, perhaps, but my question is really more of a "I know my laptop will be under my control. Can I avoid logging in every time?" |
| 03:37.21 | Kirov | ccox - Social engineering issues early on maybe. |
| 03:37.29 | Shirik | For those times I'm not around my laptop, I can still use my authenticator |
| 03:37.38 | ccox | Yes, the few cases seemed to be social engineering |
| 03:38.01 | ccox | Shirik - yeah, that sounds reasonable |
| 03:38.54 | Shirik | also |
| 03:39.00 | Shirik | I suck at reading authenticator codes with the lights off |
| 03:39.13 | Shirik | I might install a backlight |
| 03:39.21 | Shirik | well it wouldn't really be a backlight |
| 03:39.30 | Shirik | more like a LED to bounce off the LCD |
| 03:39.45 | Corrodias | mod it so it SPEAKS it to you |
| 03:39.50 | Shirik | ooo |
| 03:40.03 | Shirik | if it's a standard LCD display that should be fairly simple |
| 03:40.10 | Shirik | might be a little big though |
| 03:40.27 | Shirik | I might be able to fit it onto an atmega |
| 03:40.52 | Shirik | and then get one of those little coin-sized speakers they put in greeting cards |
| 03:40.52 | Corrodias | make it broadcast the number to this channel |
| 03:40.56 | Shirik | ... no |
| 03:41.00 | Corrodias | via wifi... aw :( |
| 03:41.19 | Corrodias | now they've got me saying "wifi". what is that, wireless fidelity? |
| 03:42.36 | Shirik | yup |
| 03:42.46 | Shirik | though I really wish I knew what THAT meant |
| 03:42.50 | Shirik | I just know that's what it stands for |
| 03:42.51 | Shirik | heh |
| 03:44.40 | Shirik | rofl |
| 03:44.44 | Shirik | Wikipedia claims ""Wireless Fidelity" has often been used in an informal way, even by the Wi-Fi Alliance itself, but officially the term does not mean anything." |
| 03:44.45 | Corrodias | i think fidelity refers to truth. how true it is to the original sound (hi-fi), or honesty (fidelity in marriage) |
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| 03:49.15 | Corrodias | so wireless fidelity would be, like... honesty without wires |
| 03:49.36 | Corrodias | nice to know that my device isn't lying to me |
| 03:49.37 | Kirov | It's like bondage w/o leather! |
| 03:49.48 | Corrodias | Kirov: that can be arranged :d |
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| 04:00.41 | bleeter | can someone explain to me why running WoW as Admin doesn't increase risks with regards to trojans/keyloggers/viruses etc.? |
| 04:01.09 | bleeter | just that 'run it as admin' seems to be a common 'solution' for stuff, has me a bit boggled. but I don't do windows, so looking for someone to explain :) |
| 04:01.50 | kd3 | they should only be told to do that when wow's trying to install something or it's missing reg keys... the rest of the time it should be run normally |
| 04:02.04 | kd3 | my vistafu's weak at this time of night, but "Run as admin"'s only a 1-time thing, isn't it? |
| 04:02.32 | NightHawkTheSane | "run as admin" seems to be like a hackneyed fix to a problem someone's too lazy to diagnose. |
| 04:02.50 | NightHawkTheSane | but i could be wrong |
| 04:04.55 | bleeter | yeah, meant as a one time thing. but... people are stupid, and will do that all the time 'I got told by Blizz I need to run WoW as Admin or I'll always have to agree to the T&C/EULA and/or have my addons do crazy things when I update them' as a rouh example |
| 04:05.05 | bleeter | btw folks... anyone who frequented mmorpg.com |
| 04:05.08 | bleeter | http://mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/2131 |
| 04:05.13 | bleeter | bit of sad news over that way |
| 04:07.28 | bleeter | ah, apparently the admin foo's 'coz of the sandbox.. and it's not getting much more privs |
| 04:11.58 | Corrodias | shit, i'm gonna replay Earthbound really soon |
| 04:12.06 | Corrodias | but first, i think, super mario RPG |
| 04:12.19 | Corrodias | reliving the SNES days because metal gear makes me chafe. lol pun. |
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| 04:28.55 | NightHawkTheSane | is it wrong to find this vastly amusing? http://www.prestonandsteve.com/pictures/12323.jpg |
| 04:29.40 | kd3 | looks accurate to me. >.> |
| 04:30.19 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 04:30.26 | kd3 | in weather news... c'mon fay! come to atlanta and just sit here for a few days |
| 04:30.48 | Cairenn | there is so very much wrong with this picture: http://halbot.haluze.sk/images/2004-11/550_zsirbag.jpg |
| 04:31.06 | kd3 | oh I've seen that before, and yah... wtf |
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| 04:39.32 | ccox | omg - what kind of idiot would do that? |
| 04:40.48 | ccox | and it doesn't even look Photochopped! |
| 04:41.42 | Wobster | prefit airbags |
| 04:42.04 | Thunder_Child | baby sandwich |
| 04:42.44 | ccox | I keep hoping that was fake, for some sorta "safety training" video... |
| 04:43.43 | Cairenn | same, but unfortunately there's too many stupid things in it |
| 04:43.54 | Cairenn | I have the incredibly sad feeling that it's real |
| 04:45.41 | Cairenn | btw, ccox, been meaning to ask .... did you get your ticket? |
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| 04:45.57 | ccox | Cairenn - for Blizzcon, nope |
| 04:46.01 | Cairenn | :( |
| 04:46.03 | Cairenn | boo |
| 04:46.09 | ccox | Cairenn- after the first day's mess, I gave up in disgust |
| 04:46.26 | Cairenn | it wasn't any better the next day, as I'm sure you were aware |
| 04:46.40 | ccox | yep |
| 04:46.54 | ccox | besides, I'd rather go spend time with their engineers and designers than users |
| 04:46.57 | Cairenn | was looking forward to meeting you, though =/ |
| 04:47.00 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:47.28 | Cairenn | why do you think I always organize stuff for the UI community outside of the 'con itself ;) |
| 04:48.50 | Mikk | Because watching 14 year olds drool gets old |
| 04:49.25 | Cairenn | that too |
| 04:49.29 | ccox | Cairenn - hmm, it might be tempting to go down just to meet other addon developers |
| 04:49.38 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:49.42 | ccox | now if I could get norgs and MentalPower to attend... |
| 04:49.43 | Wobin | as a whole, we're scary people |
| 04:49.50 | Wobin | <.< |
| 04:49.52 | Wobin | >.> |
| 04:49.55 | ccox | Wobin - I resemble that |
| 04:50.25 | Thunder_Child | i dont, but you're all ok anyway |
| 04:50.41 | MentalPower | I would, but I just started a new job, no free time to burn yet :( |
| 04:50.47 | Cairenn | unfortunately Mental can't make it this year, just started a new job and norgs, well, Australia is a long ways away, but you already knew both of those |
| 04:50.48 | MentalPower | next time tho :) |
| 04:50.56 | Thunder_Child | unlike the rest of you /i/ am normal. |
| 04:50.58 | Wobin | Sadly true |
| 04:51.06 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: not |
| 04:51.32 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, prove me wrong |
| 04:51.48 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: you're in this channel, aren't you? |
| 04:51.51 | Wobin | well... 'normal' as a definition is considered the 'average' of a population |
| 04:51.58 | Wobin | and since you hang out with us... |
| 04:52.02 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn 1, Thunder_Child 0 |
| 04:52.50 | Thunder_Child | just you wait till next time lady |
| 04:53.07 | Wobin | if it weren't for you pesky kids |
| 04:54.24 | Thunder_Child | eww |
| 04:54.53 | Cairenn | get yer mind out of the gutter |
| 04:55.04 | Thunder_Child | why, it has a home and family there |
| 04:55.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:55.19 | Thunder_Child | but yours isnt to far out, you still got it |
| 04:56.12 | Thunder_Child | i'm sorry but you rolled a one on your bluff check |
| 04:56.32 | Wobin | critical fail? |
| 04:56.41 | Thunder_Child | no crit fail in 4.0 |
| 04:56.42 | Cairenn | :p |
| 04:56.58 | Wobin | woo. |
| 04:57.22 | Wobin | Three stripper -and- a thigh high bucket of soapy coffee. |
| 04:57.52 | ajmitch | say what? |
| 04:57.53 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 04:58.56 | Wobin | some things are better left unasked. |
| 04:59.06 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 04:59.16 | ajmitch | you're right, I don't want to know |
| 04:59.40 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> you know, bluff is an opposed check, so a 1 isn't an auto-fail, i mean.. she might still convince someone. |
| 05:01.40 | Wobin | Well... Those strippers -could- be... erm. nurses. |
| 05:02.02 | Wobin | It's often hard to tell from the fishnets |
| 05:02.06 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom could be a nurse. |
| 05:02.12 | Wobin | She could! |
| 05:02.22 | NightHawkTheSane | or, she could be a stripper. |
| 05:02.26 | NightHawkTheSane | like you say, its hard to tell from the fishnets. |
| 05:02.36 | Wobin | Well |
| 05:02.42 | Wobin | try not to wear them over your head then |
| 05:02.51 | NightHawkTheSane | but.. they feel nice. |
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| 05:10.07 | Duman | WORLD SERVER |
| 05:10.08 | Duman | hates me |
| 05:10.24 | erikd | gaaaaaah |
| 05:10.30 | erikd | i was just hearthing to go too |
| 05:10.47 | Duman | le sigh |
| 05:11.45 | erikd | at least it was as we were heading there instead of on the last boss |
| 05:13.27 | Duman | damn, the server totally assploded now |
| 05:13.41 | Duman | well, inside the instance would have probably been safe :) |
| 05:13.56 | erikd | it's back |
| 05:20.32 | Corrodias | anal detonation |
| 05:20.41 | Corrodias | now you just tell me that doesn't sound like fun |
| 05:20.42 | Corrodias | i dare you |
| 05:20.59 | ajmitch | that doesn't sound like fun |
| 05:22.29 | Thunder_Child | that doesn't sound like fun |
| 05:22.55 | Wobin | that doesn't sound like fun |
| 05:23.48 | haste | wonder how it would look on a high speed camera |
| 05:23.57 | Thunder_Child | painful |
| 05:25.52 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: That reminds me |
| 05:25.55 | Shirik | are you coming to blizzcon? |
| 05:26.01 | Sixen | I am |
| 05:26.05 | Sixen | In case you wanted to know. |
| 05:26.14 | Shirik | do you have a good camera? |
| 05:26.21 | Thunder_Child | yes and yes |
| 05:26.23 | Shirik | We need a team to work together to get photos of camera |
| 05:26.27 | Shirik | I knew you did Thunder_Child :P |
| 05:26.35 | Thunder_Child | iriel still has a better one though |
| 05:26.39 | Shirik | I'm bringing mine, I just need to get a hold of some 1600 film or something though |
| 05:26.39 | Sixen | hmp |
| 05:26.42 | Thunder_Child | the bastard |
| 05:26.46 | Sixen | Can't say I do, :/ |
| 05:26.54 | Shirik | I might just push 800 film a stop |
| 05:27.02 | Shirik | should be able to get 1/1000 indoors like that if it's lighted enough |
| 05:27.04 | Thunder_Child | it's really dark in there |
| 05:27.07 | Shirik | oh :( |
| 05:27.13 | Shirik | ok then.... maybe I'll find a new flash |
| 05:27.21 | Thunder_Child | i was using 1600 and iriel was pushing 3200 |
| 05:27.21 | Shirik | the built-in flash only syncs up to 1/125 :( |
| 05:27.31 | Thunder_Child | w/o flash that is |
| 05:27.43 | Shirik | ok well maybe I'll order some high speed film |
| 05:27.52 | Thunder_Child | the builtin flash dosent travel very far in there |
| 05:28.32 | Shirik | I've never ever actually gone beyond 1600 |
| 05:28.40 | Shirik | I'm almost scared to push process 1600 film to 3200 heh |
| 05:29.22 | Shirik | I'd like to see what the airlines say when I tell them I need them to inspect my camera equipment manually because it's that sensitive |
| 05:29.38 | Shirik | last time they gave me a strange look :/ |
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| 05:30.29 | Thunder_Child | dont take it personally Shirik, i'm sure everyone gives you a funny look |
| 05:30.33 | Wobin | photos of camera? |
| 05:30.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:30.34 | Thunder_Child | s/funny/strange/ |
| 05:30.40 | Shirik | photos of Cairenn |
| 05:30.41 | Wobin | whut? |
| 05:30.43 | Wobin | oh |
| 05:30.44 | Shirik | did I actually say of camera? |
| 05:30.47 | ajmitch | you did |
| 05:30.48 | Wobin | yes =P |
| 05:30.50 | Thunder_Child | both front and back this time |
| 05:30.54 | Shirik | oh >.> |
| 05:30.54 | Thunder_Child | in good quality no less |
| 05:30.58 | Shirik | hi Cairenn |
| 05:31.01 | Shirik | we're plotting against you |
| 05:31.08 | Cairenn | I noticed |
| 05:31.20 | Shirik | do we have safes in our rooms? |
| 05:31.30 | Shirik | I might need to lock up the film so you don't break in and destroy it |
| 05:31.32 | Kirov | likes safes will stop Cairenn |
| 05:31.59 | Wobin | she'll toss it off the balcony into the pool |
| 05:34.28 | Shirik | penn camera only sells up to 800 ISO |
| 05:34.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:34.35 | Shirik | Any suggestions on where to buy it, Thunder_Child? |
| 05:35.32 | Shirik | you have a digital camera, don't you Thunder_Child? |
| 05:37.07 | ccox | film? In 2008? How quaint! |
| 05:38.18 | Wobin | Shirik is oldskool |
| 05:38.22 | Wobin | he uses a pinhole |
| 05:38.31 | Shirik | I haven't yet found a good reason to go digital |
| 05:38.35 | Shirik | except for strange cases like these |
| 05:38.41 | Shirik | I really like my camera |
| 05:38.41 | Wobin | one word |
| 05:38.44 | Wobin | RAW format |
| 05:38.49 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 05:38.50 | Wobin | that's two |
| 05:38.55 | Shirik | This is an unusual case :) |
| 05:39.00 | Shirik | Normally film would suit me fine |
| 05:39.22 | Kirov | real film often has better quality still. |
| 05:39.28 | ccox | Canon 1D camera series -- all good reasons to go digital |
| 05:39.37 | Kirov | except for the really high end digital cameras. |
| 05:39.38 | Shirik | E6 is very nice quality |
| 05:39.55 | Shirik | if you're willing to deal with them |
| 05:39.58 | Shirik | I like them |
| 05:40.25 | Wobin | On the one hand, I can understand the want to use film. |
| 05:40.33 | Wobin | on the other, digital is so much more convienient |
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| 05:40.52 | Thunder_Child | ya, Shirik i has a digital, i got mine at costco but that was before they changed their return policy |
| 05:41.08 | Wobin | So you -want- to return it? |
| 05:41.10 | Shirik | I almost got that nikon that Iriel got |
| 05:41.12 | Wobin | or you don't? |
| 05:42.02 | Shirik | maybe I'll go into penn camera and ask them if they have any high speed films in their catalog |
| 05:42.08 | Codayus | The real advantage of film is you can shoot a *LOT* of images fast. Film would require swapping rolls, AND would be a lot more expensive. |
| 05:42.14 | Kirov | For a long time movies were filmed on both physical stock and digital for dailies. At this point almost everyone is pure digital, except for the odd few like Christopher Nolan |
| 05:42.19 | Codayus | Er, the real advantage of DIGITAL. |
| 05:42.24 | Wobin | and by film, Codayus means digital =) |
| 05:42.37 | Shirik | Codayus, trust me, I can switch rolls VERY fast by now :) |
| 05:42.41 | Shirik | Granted, perhaps digital's a little faster |
| 05:42.44 | Shirik | but a small price to pay |
| 05:42.46 | Wobin | and cheaper |
| 05:43.18 | ccox | Shirik - there is some advantage to shooting 8fps for 2000 frames before reloading... |
| 05:43.25 | ccox | (especially for wildlife and sports) |
| 05:43.44 | Codayus | Cost adds up when your talking about 500 stills... |
| 05:43.48 | Shirik | I call that being lazy :) taking the challenge out of photography! |
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| 05:43.51 | ccox | Shirik - and digital passed 35mm film quality a while back |
| 05:43.58 | Shirik | I never said it didn't |
| 05:44.02 | Wobin | I agree with you about that Shirik |
| 05:44.14 | Shirik | However, color transparency film is VERY high quality |
| 05:44.19 | Wobin | Digital has taken a lot of art from the whole process for the nonprofessionals |
| 05:44.21 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, ISO 1600, exposure 1/25 @ f3.5, no flash. http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/IMG_1485.jpg |
| 05:44.22 | Codayus | And yeah, what ccox said. AFAIK, professionals are pretty much 100% digital apart from landscape photographers and some other oddities. I don't think anyone still uses 35mm film... |
| 05:44.35 | ccox | Codayus - yep |
| 05:44.45 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, seriously? |
| 05:44.47 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 05:44.49 | ccox | and even the mediium format folks are mostly digital |
| 05:44.52 | Shirik | that's really dark.... |
| 05:44.55 | Thunder_Child | hence the grain |
| 05:45.18 | Thunder_Child | well it was ofset by the fact that i was aming at the list picture |
| 05:45.23 | Thunder_Child | lit* |
| 05:45.24 | ccox | and the landscapers are going to scanning digital backs |
| 05:45.39 | Shirik | ok so I really should probably be aiming for 3200 |
| 05:45.47 | Shirik | We can't get shots of Cairenn at 1/25s |
| 05:45.58 | Thunder_Child | wait for the dinner |
| 05:46.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:46.06 | Thunder_Child | or the morning |
| 05:46.07 | Wobin | Shirik, Telephoto lens =) |
| 05:46.09 | Shirik | maybe I'll just bring my telephoto |
| 05:46.10 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:46.16 | Thunder_Child | or when she goes to suck on a cancer stick |
| 05:46.24 | Cairenn | bite me |
| 05:46.30 | Codayus | If you can just convince people not to move, you could always shoot HDR... |
| 05:46.32 | Kirov | most commercial uses of photography is digital at this point, not due to quality, but due to price. |
| 05:46.33 | Shirik | can't really tell how big the room is from that picture |
| 05:46.43 | Thunder_Child | you can from the people |
| 05:46.44 | Shirik | But it looks like I can shoot about half way across |
| 05:46.45 | Codayus | Of course, if you could do THAT.... |
| 05:46.55 | Codayus | You wouldn't have a problem. |
| 05:47.01 | Kirov | Because you can take hundreds of photos the same "cost" as 1, digital is huge. |
| 05:47.04 | Shirik | Codayus: Cairenn doesn't stand still |
| 05:47.06 | Thunder_Child | thats just one of the halls, they have 3 this year |
| 05:47.12 | Shirik | Kirov: Cost is not an issue for me :) |
| 05:47.19 | Shirik | I'm more than willing to buy 200 rolls of film |
| 05:47.31 | Kirov | When it comes to the truely top end photography, that's still ruled by physical formats |
| 05:47.49 | Codayus | Eh, the thing about cost and quality is... Usually the best way to get a better quality picture is to take 10 times more, and pick the best one. |
| 05:47.50 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Was that a digital or film picture? |
| 05:47.52 | ccox | Hmm, I think I have a strobe that'll light that room (and burn anyone within 20 feet) |
| 05:47.55 | Wobin | Shirik, that carbon footprint is a little more bigfoot than the digital =) |
| 05:48.16 | Kirov | Looks digital to me. |
| 05:48.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, digital |
| 05:48.32 | Wobin | ccox, nothing like getting a perfectly in focus shot of people writhing around clutching at their eyes? =) |
| 05:48.34 | Shirik | huh |
| 05:48.40 | Shirik | was Iriel using digital too? |
| 05:48.44 | ccox | Wobin - no, that's the SECOND shot |
| 05:48.47 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 05:48.57 | Shirik | I guess I need to go out and take some test pictures at 3200 to see the grain then |
| 05:49.25 | ccox | Shirik - test dark, it has a different response in bright light (same with 1600) |
| 05:49.30 | Kirov | There are some obvious artifacts to digital. More easily overblown brights, more detail in the darks, and more "blocky" rather than "noisy" |
| 05:49.35 | Shirik | no ccox, it doesn't |
| 05:49.44 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, this one is 1600, 1/6 @ f3.5 no flash http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/IMG_1798.jpg |
| 05:49.45 | Shirik | the issue is not the lighting |
| 05:49.47 | ccox | The 1600 and 3200 films are 6 layer, RGB fast and RGB slow |
| 05:49.48 | Shirik | the issue is the push processing |
| 05:49.56 | Shirik | I'm not going to be using a 3200 film |
| 05:50.03 | Shirik | I'm going to be pushing the film to that speed |
| 05:50.06 | Thunder_Child | this is the main area |
| 05:50.23 | Thunder_Child | or rather the primary stage |
| 05:50.33 | Thunder_Child | opening cerimony was here |
| 05:50.39 | Arrowmaster | the best thing about the high end digitals are the manual adjustment features though, nothing like being able to adjust everything on the fly |
| 05:50.41 | Thunder_Child | ceremony* |
| 05:50.43 | Thunder_Child | w/e |
| 05:50.46 | ccox | Shirik - unless you're pushing 800 film, you have to take that extra layers into account - the grain is different in bright and low light |
| 05:50.57 | Shirik | ccox, oh I misunderstood your statement |
| 05:51.07 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, most pros dont use it unless they have the time |
| 05:51.09 | Thunder_Child | takes to long |
| 05:51.29 | Shirik | I just use aperture priority usually |
| 05:52.06 | Shirik | then I have a knob for +/- ev if I actually need to adjust something |
| 05:52.17 | Shirik | and I usually bracket +/- 0.5 which is automatic |
| 05:52.18 | Thunder_Child | photography class taught me that if you dont have the time to make it perfect, 9 times out of 10 the automatics will work fine |
| 05:53.02 | ccox | experience taught me otherwise, and how to override the automatics |
| 05:53.05 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, and with Cairenn, you don't have that kind of time :D |
| 05:53.23 | Thunder_Child | true |
| 05:53.26 | Shirik | But yeah, really, I have rarely seen a need to go full manual |
| 05:53.31 | ccox | Oh, come on, Cairenn can't be any more difficult to photograph than hummingbirds |
| 05:53.37 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, this is iriel's cam @ 3200 http://blizzcon2007.norganna.org/main.php/v/Face/2007-08-04+at+21-38-51.jpg.html |
| 05:53.39 | Shirik | I use aperture priority and it picks things out fine |
| 05:53.44 | Thunder_Child | ccox, WRONG! |
| 05:53.49 | Shirik | ccox, you have no idea |
| 05:54.05 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: That doesn't look too bad |
| 05:54.08 | zenzelezz | maybe a hummingbird on speed |
| 05:54.29 | Thunder_Child | that was the only one i found w/o flash though. it was a stealth Cairenn shot |
| 05:54.37 | ccox | hmm, she's starting to sound like an old college gf -- one who should never, ever be fed sugar.... |
| 05:54.43 | Shirik | 3200 = 1/6, not bad |
| 05:54.53 | Shirik | though that looks like somewhat favorable lighting |
| 05:54.56 | Shirik | 1/60* |
| 05:55.03 | Thunder_Child | and it was stable, he had a table |
| 05:55.25 | ccox | of course, an f/2.8 or better lens will help |
| 05:55.49 | Cairenn | "It is really really fucking hard to take a picture of Cairenn. She's like a little frisky hamster, hopped up on sugar and crack. " |
| 05:56.05 | Thunder_Child | kept that phrase huh |
| 05:56.35 | Cairenn | it amuses me |
| 05:56.43 | Shirik | My understanding is that for one of the pictures last year, Slouken held Cairenn with a death grip? |
| 05:56.51 | Shirik | think we can get him to do that again? |
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| 05:56.54 | Kirov | Explains why she's never able to sleep, no? |
| 05:57.11 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 05:57.21 | Kirov | not the death grip, the hamster thing |
| 05:57.37 | Thunder_Child | i was talking about that |
| 05:57.59 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it was prolly the first one, after that she seemed more resigned about it |
| 05:59.55 | Shirik | ... wow |
| 06:00.06 | Shirik | ebayed blizzcon tickets (2) up to $1k |
| 06:00.28 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how they do it...they meet you there? |
| 06:00.59 | Shirik | "I have 2 extra tickets for the 2008 Blizzard convention(BlizzCon).Tickets ONLY. I have a house 20 minutes away from the convention center so it is guaranteed that the winner of this auction and his/her friend can accompany me to the convention center on the day of the event." |
| 06:01.28 | Thunder_Child | i think i would like to hurt that person |
| 06:01.55 | Shirik | I like how he's all "I have 100% positive feedback rating so you can trust me" |
| 06:02.23 | Shirik | he has 1 purchase |
| 06:02.36 | Cairenn | I still stand by what I've said elsewhere: |
| 06:02.41 | Shirik | 1 sale |
| 06:02.53 | Wobin | ccox, nothing like getting a perfectly in focus shot of people writhing around clutching at their eyes? =)/ |
| 06:02.57 | Wobin | gah |
| 06:03.01 | Cairenn | so what, you're going to pay someone, in advance, on eBay, pay airfare and hotel, in the hopes that the person (who obviously has absolutely no scruples, as evidenced by the fact he is scalping them in the first place) is trustworthy enough to actually be there, get the tickets and hand them over to you |
| 06:03.04 | Wobin | I hate this keyboard's up key |
| 06:03.25 | Shirik | Cairenn, some people are desparate :) |
| 06:03.28 | Shirik | Fortunately, i'm not :D |
| 06:03.37 | Shirik | though I still haven't booked a flight |
| 06:03.41 | Thunder_Child | enough to pay $400 per ticket? |
| 06:03.43 | Thunder_Child | mor* |
| 06:03.45 | Thunder_Child | more* |
| 06:03.48 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 06:03.49 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 06:04.44 | Wobin | http://files.filefront.com/lolgripwmv/;11406623;/fileinfo.html |
| 06:06.24 | Shirik | Wobin: evil |
| 06:06.25 | zenzelezz | lolgrip... is that an Archimonde video or something? |
| 06:06.51 | Wobin | it's the DK force choke ability |
| 06:07.31 | Wobin | Shirik, you should bid on those tickets, and leave feedback when you win: "Instead of Blizzcon tickets, package contained bobcat..." |
| 06:07.39 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:07.55 | Shirik | Just because I said I'm willing to spend money doesn't mean I like to waste it... |
| 06:08.42 | Thunder_Child | if i had the money to waste i would do it just to beat the crap out of the person |
| 06:09.11 | Wobin | You could take a bobcat with you as your 'friend' |
| 06:09.26 | Thunder_Child | point |
| 06:10.13 | Wobin | "Feedback. Went to blizzcon with scalped ticket scalper... " |
| 06:10.22 | Wobin | *mrrrow* |
| 06:10.56 | Shirik | mirrow? |
| 06:11.49 | Wobin | mew |
| 06:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 06:13.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ebay "blizzcon ticket" |
| 06:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I see them as low as $117, but an average being $400 |
| 06:16.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 06:16.37 | ScytheBlade1 | And someone trying to sell just the ticket, not the goodie bag or mount |
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| 06:18.09 | Shirik | ok, it's a bit late |
| 06:18.12 | Shirik | time for sleep I think |
| 06:18.14 | Shirik | nn |
| 06:18.58 | Thunder_Child | ~sleep Shirik|zZz |
| 06:18.58 | purl | ACTION sends Shirik|zZz to bed without supper |
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| 07:57.15 | Punkie | ahoy |
| 08:12.35 | Tekkub | I think I'm going to puke |
| 08:12.47 | Tekkub | just hit NR on my priest with my pally friend... |
| 08:12.56 | Tekkub | me, 517 DPS. HIm... 65 |
| 08:13.02 | Tekkub | he's Ret even,... |
| 08:13.11 | Aiiane | NR? |
| 08:13.18 | Tekkub | northrend |
| 08:13.21 | Aiiane | ah |
| 08:13.34 | Aiiane | how does 65 dps work? |
| 08:13.42 | Aiiane | is he like, afk 90% of the fight? |
| 08:13.51 | Tekkub | I have no fucking clue |
| 08:13.52 | selckin | i oneshot everything with m ret |
| 08:13.57 | selckin | i bet your mod is broken |
| 08:14.02 | Tekkub | atuo-attack and nothing else? |
| 08:14.07 | Tekkub | now, he's THAT bad |
| 08:14.11 | Aiiane | autoattack should still be 200+ dps |
| 08:14.28 | Aiiane | well, maybe a little less if no seal up |
| 08:14.31 | Tekkub | he has no seal, no judgement, no blessing... |
| 08:14.39 | Tekkub | at least he put up Righteous Furry |
| 08:14.46 | Aiiane | and he's still your friend why? :P (i kid) |
| 08:14.52 | Kalroth | haha |
| 08:15.17 | selckin | tell em to visit a trainer |
| 08:15.19 | selckin | :p |
| 08:15.37 | Tekkub | cause he sexes me up? |
| 08:15.43 | Tekkub | and I have noone else to level with? |
| 08:15.45 | Kalroth | Aiiane: It's the other way around. The retadin learned everything he knows from Tekkub! |
| 08:17.52 | Tekkub | oh and no, the DPS meter works quite well, I've tested with others that actually deal damage |
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| 08:33.49 | Xuerian | retardin, ftw? >_> |
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| 08:50.26 | Vilkku | time to tell of my epic fail |
| 08:50.42 | Vilkku | there is the achivement in beta called drunken stupor - fall 65 yards while smashed |
| 08:50.57 | Vilkku | 1) found no booze in norhrend, had to go and get from org |
| 08:51.16 | Vilkku | 2) got 10 booze, back to a good falling spot in northrend |
| 08:51.28 | Vilkku | 3) drink 6 booze which get me smashed |
| 08:51.31 | Vilkku | 4) jump |
| 08:51.39 | Vilkku | 5) forget that I wasn't at full hp when I jumped |
| 08:51.44 | Vilkku | 6) die |
| 08:51.47 | Vilkku | 7) get sober |
| 08:51.57 | Vilkku | 8) drinks only enough to get me drunk |
| 08:52.00 | Vilkku | 9) FAIL |
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| 08:58.17 | Kalroth | A finne that can't get into a druken stupor? Impossible! |
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| 09:09.14 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
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| 09:09.48 | jnwhiteh | there we go |
| 09:28.36 | cncfanatics | daily quest giver, is that addon broken ? |
| 09:28.54 | cncfanatics | it claims to be able to figure what dailies are without visiting quest givers but it says unknown for everything :p |
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| 09:47.09 | Fisker- | cheater! |
| 09:48.27 | Fisker- | haste |
| 09:48.30 | Fisker- | where are you? |
| 09:49.11 | Industrial | IN UR BUM LOL |
| 09:49.32 | Fisker- | but that's where you are |
| 09:49.46 | Industrial | PEEKABOO |
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| 09:58.32 | haste | Fisker-: Oslo! |
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| 10:00.53 | leethal | this - http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94148 renders this - http://skitch.com/leethal/uanq/ready-to-rumble-texture-size |
| 10:01.09 | leethal | do I have to create a separate frame with the exact size (I'm guessing 32x32), or is it possible to tell it not to stretch? |
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| 10:01.46 | haste | 300x30 :p ? |
| 10:02.04 | haste | you can just use frame:CreateTexture |
| 10:02.18 | leethal | ah |
| 10:02.36 | Fisker- | i'm coming haste |
| 10:02.40 | Fisker- | i'm coming to destroy you |
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| 10:03.02 | haste | I'm leaving in like one hour, so you better get here fast! |
| 10:03.22 | Fisker- | leaving where? |
| 10:03.58 | haste | uni |
| 10:04.37 | Fisker- | then i'll get you there |
| 10:05.31 | Fisker- | you will never be able to stop me haste |
| 10:07.32 | Diskmaster | And now for something completely different: http://www.disktech.net/kaki/pictures/OP_2828.png |
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| 10:33.40 | leethal | anyone using ckknights LibSimpleOptions around? Wondering how you can create something transaction-ish that does a rollback on the settings if the cancel button is clicked |
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| 10:46.14 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, fuck this bullshit program |
| 10:46.21 | cncfanatics | renamed all my files extensions to upercase |
| 10:46.51 | leethal | another thing. I have a frame, and want to show a tooltip with some help text (just a few lines) when the user hovers the frame. What's the true way of awesomeness of doing that? |
| 10:57.13 | cncfanatics | hmm |
| 10:57.26 | cncfanatics | could anyone point me to a script to change file extensions to lowercase ? |
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| 11:07.50 | durcyn | which shell, cnc |
| 11:09.24 | leethal | cncfanatics: http://pastie.org/255579 ; ) |
| 11:11.20 | leethal | hm. How do you destroy/remove a frame? |
| 11:11.36 | cncfanatics | leethal: thats lua ? :o |
| 11:11.42 | leethal | cncfanatics: no, ruby |
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| 11:11.59 | haste | leethal: you can't |
| 11:12.10 | leethal | haste: hmm. Smells of memory leakz =/ |
| 11:12.16 | jnwhiteh | no it doesn't. |
| 11:12.20 | haste | leethal: why? you just re-use |
| 11:12.23 | jnwhiteh | pool your own tables |
| 11:12.24 | leethal | will probably be 2-3 frames per session, though |
| 11:12.38 | jnwhiteh | a frame costs very little |
| 11:12.46 | jnwhiteh | first :P |
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| 11:22.51 | cncfanatics | hmmmm, my rhytmbox is refusing to add any mp3 to his library |
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| 11:33.02 | Punkie | cncfanatics: have you used songbird before? |
| 11:33.11 | Punkie | and does it run like crap for you also? :P |
| 11:33.19 | cncfanatics | Punkie: I have no idea what songbird is |
| 11:33.33 | Punkie | getsongbird.com |
| 11:33.53 | Punkie | ran like crap for me, but I only tried it on an eeepc :P |
| 11:35.25 | cncfanatics | will check in a sec |
| 11:36.32 | cncfanatics | need to finish this heroic first |
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| 11:37.51 | Punkie | kk |
| 11:38.56 | cncfanatics | omg the looks of that player |
| 11:39.11 | cncfanatics | I think I'll stay with rhythmbox even if its only for looks :p |
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| 11:58.05 | Hjalte | clad|sleep: I just had the following TomTom error (using r164): http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94152 - TomTom did manage to make the marker on Cartographer 3, but the waypoint arrow didn't come up. It was trying to give me directions to a Tour Guide note. |
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| 12:05.16 | jnwhiteh | Hjalte: where was this waypoint? |
| 12:05.20 | jnwhiteh | i.e. which zone? |
| 12:05.27 | Hjalte | Tanaris |
| 12:05.48 | jnwhiteh | can you do me a favor and either post as a comment, or email me |
| 12:05.54 | jnwhiteh | so i can try to look at it later tonight? |
| 12:06.15 | Hjalte | Sure |
| 12:09.20 | jnwhiteh | thanks a bunch |
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| 12:11.50 | leethal | 'self' isn't a keyword in lua, right? it's just the "convention" of the name of the local variable passed when you do SomeTable:SomeFunction()? |
| 12:11.58 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 12:12.12 | Josh_Borke | leethal: correct |
| 12:12.54 | leethal | yay =D |
| 12:13.02 | krka | convention implies that it's purely a common idiom - self may not be a keyword, but it's special identifier |
| 12:17.07 | cbreak | you can use any other valid variable name instead of self |
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| 12:46.47 | leethal | if I have a table, is it possible to pass each item in the table as an argument to a function? |
| 12:47.11 | leethal | s/as an argument/as multiple arguments/ |
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| 12:47.40 | adam_sc | lynstats can only be changed in the core.lua file? :)) |
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| 12:50.00 | Josh_Borke | lua> testT = { "fred", "jane", "alice" }; function tfunc(...) for i=1,select('#', ...) do print(select(i,...)) end end; tFunc(table.unpack(testT)) |
| 12:50.00 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'unpack' (a nil value) |
| 12:50.07 | Josh_Borke | lua> testT = { "fred", "jane", "alice" }; function tfunc(...) for i=1,select('#', ...) do print(select(i,...)) end end; tFunc(unpack(testT)) |
| 12:50.07 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'tFunc' (a nil value) |
| 12:50.13 | Josh_Borke | lua> testT = { "fred", "jane", "alice" }; function tfunc(...) for i=1,select('#', ...) do print(select(i,...)) end end; tfunc(unpack(testT)) |
| 12:50.14 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: fred, jane, alice, jane, alice, alice |
| 12:50.25 | Josh_Borke | hm |
| 12:50.45 | Wobin | ... |
| 12:50.53 | Josh_Borke | quite obviously print takes multiple arguments =/ |
| 12:51.00 | zenzio | spicey cock flavoured soup o_O http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/cock_flavored_soup.jpg |
| 12:51.05 | Josh_Borke | lua> testT = { "fred", "jane", "alice" }; function tfunc(...) for i=1,select('#', ...) do x = select(i, ...); print(x) end end; tfunc(unpack(testT)) |
| 12:51.06 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: fred, jane, alice |
| 12:51.17 | Josh_Borke | leethal: see my snippet there |
| 12:51.34 | Josh_Borke | zenzio: for when a hen just won't do |
| 12:51.40 | nevcairiel | Josh_Borke: could've just done (select(i, ...)) .. that cuts all other off =P |
| 12:52.01 | Josh_Borke | psh, who needs you and your shortcuts |
| 12:52.12 | Josh_Borke | but doesn't that invoke an extra closure? |
| 12:52.46 | Josh_Borke | not that calling select twice every iteration is all that great |
| 12:53.12 | Pneumatus | select(1, ...) will return every arg all at once, surely? |
| 12:54.09 | Wobin | yes |
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| 12:54.16 | Lunessa | station |
| 12:54.40 | Josh_Borke | Pneumatus: select(1, ...) is basically ... |
| 12:55.46 | Maldivia | lua> print(select(2, 1,2,3,4,5)) |
| 12:55.47 | lua_bot | Maldivia: 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 12:55.51 | Maldivia | lua> print((select(2, 1,2,3,4,5))) |
| 12:55.51 | lua_bot | Maldivia: 2 |
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| 13:13.20 | ralf-x | stupid question, but how do you create rules in Arkinventory? |
| 13:13.28 | ralf-x | I can't find the menu option to create them |
| 13:15.25 | Lunessa | Isn't there a seperate Options addon for that? |
| 13:15.55 | ralf-x | wow I'd hope not |
| 13:16.09 | ralf-x | the thign is, somehow I created a custom rule months ago |
| 13:16.15 | ralf-x | I just cant remember how :( |
| 13:16.22 | Lunessa | *shrug* I don't use it, I |
| 13:16.36 | Lunessa | so I'm not able to guide you and Ackis isn't here atm. |
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| 13:19.30 | ralf-x | :( |
| 13:19.31 | ralf-x | ok |
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| 13:24.56 | leethal | meh weird that GetContainerItemInfo doesn't return the itemID |
| 13:26.30 | Lunessa | You sure? |
| 13:27.38 | leethal | think so =/ there's a GetContainerItemLink, though, so I guess I can go GetItemInfo(GetContainerItemLink(bag, slot)) |
| 13:27.51 | Maldivia | GetItemInfo doesn't return itemId |
| 13:28.13 | Bouvi | Oh cool I never logged out DOH |
| 13:28.32 | Lunessa | Yeah, I was just looking at that leethal. |
| 13:29.49 | Maldivia | local itemId = (GetContainerItemLink(x,y) or ""):match("item:(%d+):") |
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| 13:33.04 | leethal | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94158 seems to be working nicely |
| 13:33.40 | Maldivia | ahh yeah, if you're just after the name :) |
| 13:34.31 | leethal | hmm no, and the ID |
| 13:34.37 | leethal | so that paste does in fact not work =P |
| 13:37.00 | leethal | there - http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94160 |
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| 13:54.57 | adam_sc | ANybody know if there is a way to show defbuffs under my targets frame with AG_UF? Hate my droods bleeds as I can't see what ones I got on my target |
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| 14:03.09 | adam_sc | bah done it, did not select the type of uf I wanted |
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| 14:31.03 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 14:31.03 | purl | Lopeppeppy: aw, gee |
| 14:31.07 | Lopeppeppy | And purl is back, yay! |
| 14:31.22 | zenzelezz | peppy > purl |
| 14:31.47 | cbreak | purl: sudo make me a sandwich |
| 14:31.48 | purl | okay |
| 14:32.01 | cbreak | I like purl. |
| 14:32.03 | Josh_Borke | ~sudo |
| 14:32.04 | purl | i heard sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or good for ordering sandwiches, or not pseudo |
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| 14:34.04 | malreth | i thought it stood for Switch User and Do |
| 14:34.09 | malreth | ~su |
| 14:34.10 | purl | Password: |
| 14:34.20 | malreth | iwant2believe |
| 14:34.35 | Josh_Borke | stab user and do? |
| 14:34.41 | Lunessa | ~lart malreth |
| 14:34.41 | purl | whacks malreth with the cluebat |
| 14:35.42 | malreth | ~wtf su |
| 14:35.42 | malreth | ~wiki su (unix) |
| 14:35.56 | Lunessa | FYI - Active Directory management tools suck goat nads. |
| 14:36.30 | Lopeppeppy | Good to know. |
| 14:42.01 | doow | what if I don't have any goat nads, am I out of luck? |
| 14:42.18 | malreth | i wouldn't use the word, "luck" |
| 14:42.49 | Lunessa | Yeah, "luck" isn't the word I would choose either. ick. |
| 14:42.52 | malreth | "licked" is the proper past-tense form of that verb |
| 14:43.17 | Josh_Borke | ~lart malreth |
| 14:43.17 | purl | beats malreth to within 2.54cm of his life |
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| 14:44.17 | Lunessa | And your wise men don't know hoe it feels to be thick, as a brick. |
| 14:44.38 | Lunessa | bah how/how |
| 14:44.46 | Lunessa | Or something. |
| 14:44.48 | Lunessa | Forget it. |
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| 14:47.53 | |Jelly| | I see what you did there. |
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| 14:48.26 | Lunessa | And this year's Lamest And Cheesiest Line Award goes to zenzelezz. Let's hear it for him folks! |
| 14:49.00 | zenzelezz | don't be so fast about it FFS, I've got worse ones saved up for the remaining five months |
| 14:49.04 | doow | that wasn't very nice Lunessa, now you can't have any goat nads |
| 14:49.16 | Lunessa | Thank the makers. |
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| 14:49.35 | zenzelezz | besides, it should come as no surprise that I'm cheesy |
| 14:49.45 | Lopeppeppy | I adore all of my friends just the way they are. |
| 14:50.06 | Lunessa | It doesn't, I mean you have some real competition in here (*cough*me*cough*) but man... |
| 14:51.39 | zenzelezz | meh, I have no problem with being lame |
| 14:52.43 | Lunessa | Is it so frightening to have me at your shoulder? Thunder and lightning couldn't be bolder. |
| 14:53.00 | Lopeppeppy | I don't like thunder and lightning... |
| 14:53.36 | cbreak | the power of nature. of electricity. |
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| 15:03.59 | Lopeppeppy | Meanie. |
| 15:04.06 | AckisWork | tehehe |
| 15:04.16 | AckisWork | there was a storm a few days ago, and the thunder actually made me jump |
| 15:04.19 | AckisWork | was crazy |
| 15:07.23 | Lopeppeppy | I'm afraid of it, so I squeak and jump and get sadly. |
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| 15:13.07 | Lopeppeppy | Chinese curse. "May you live in interesting times." |
| 15:21.19 | cncfanatics | lol Lopeppeppy |
| 15:25.29 | doow | Lopeppeppy: it is? I thought Pratchett made it up (he's kinda notorious with referencing RL stuff though) |
| 15:25.41 | Lopeppeppy | Not Pratchett original, nope. |
| 15:27.05 | malreth | http://consumerist.com/5038551/disney-decides-to-stop-selling-dive-in-panties-for-young-girls |
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| 15:31.33 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. |
| 15:31.51 | cog|work | sorry malreth. guess you missed out. |
| 15:31.59 | Josh_Borke | lol |
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| 15:42.00 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, Shirik |
| 15:42.16 | Shirik | morning |
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| 15:47.30 | Maldivia | the torte color scheme works fine for me in vim |
| 15:47.41 | Maldivia | wrong tab :) |
| 15:47.55 | Bouvi | Dang I should get another copy of the book to keep one at work and one at home... I am so mental right now. |
| 15:48.26 | Maldivia | or just bring it to work? |
| 15:49.00 | Bouvi | I drive an hour to work then teach martial arts afterward. I cannot leave Richard in the car that long. He might get ill. |
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| 15:51.08 | Bouvi | And if any of the authors are online, I consider you Gods right now. I would worship but I am too busy reading. 1022 pages GAH. |
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| 15:52.53 | Lunessa | Hehe. |
| 15:53.35 | Lunessa | So, I was stressing, but a PB&J and a cup o' joe solved it. Must have been low blood sugar. |
| 15:53.50 | Lopeppeppy | That's often the case, Lunessa-dear. did you eat breakfast? |
| 15:53.58 | alestane | That happens, just ask my wife. |
| 15:54.09 | Lunessa | Yes, I did. But breakfast was at 6am |
| 15:54.57 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch. Darlin', invest in a few granola bars for 10am revisiting. |
| 15:57.20 | |pez| | I want dried fruits for my youghurt.. |
| 15:57.30 | Lopeppeppy | I want yogurt for my chex mix. |
| 15:58.14 | Anaral | Will BlizzCon have a live stream for panels like WWI did? |
| 15:58.33 | Lopeppeppy | It's supposed to be on pay per view... |
| 15:58.39 | Anaral | Yuck |
| 15:59.01 | Anaral | Yeah, if you have DirectTV |
| 15:59.23 | Matrix110| | Its US only and only for DirecTV |
| 15:59.27 | Matrix110| | its totally retarted |
| 15:59.46 | Lunessa | I want granola, yogurt, and dried fruit. And some f'ing cookies. And a cheeseburger. damnit. |
| 15:59.48 | Matrix110| | And no other Livestream is allowed |
| 16:00.22 | Matrix110| | Ah well atleast its in HD and caps will be available later then |
| 16:00.31 | Maldivia | hopefully |
| 16:00.32 | Matrix110| | atleast i hope someone caps it |
| 16:00.33 | Matrix110| | :D |
| 16:02.11 | Anaral | I just wish it would be on PPV for all, not just DirectTV. |
| 16:02.16 | Shirik | Bouvi: Don't be so much in-awe :P |
| 16:02.27 | Shirik | Many authors, unfortunately, don't have a clue what they're doing. Sad but true fact. |
| 16:02.34 | Bouvi | Awwww why not? |
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| 16:03.22 | Shirik | This results in poor code that (a) works for one patch only, (b) is extremely slow, (c) results in the use (set and get) of globals every 2 lines, or (d) breaks all other addons in the process (or (e) all of the above) |
| 16:03.28 | Anaral | Because we trip through the code and when it works we take it and run with it. |
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| 16:04.03 | adam_sc | hey Shirik |
| 16:04.04 | Shirik | there are still addons out there that use global "i" variables in while loops, for example |
| 16:04.15 | Shirik | try installing two of those at the same time |
| 16:04.31 | Lunessa | I can't wait ... the day WotLK ships UI & Macros forum will explode with weenies complaining about QuestHelper |
| 16:04.34 | AckisWork | Shirik: I made _ a global variable once |
| 16:04.45 | alestane | Shirik: I think he was referring to the authors of the book, not just all add-on authors. |
| 16:04.50 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: uhm how'd I get a global i variable? oO |
| 16:04.55 | Shirik | oh alestane, ok then :) |
| 16:05.04 | Shirik | The authors of the book are gods! |
| 16:05.06 | Gnarfoz | i = 0 ...... for i, 1 do blah end? |
| 16:05.16 | Shirik | no Gnarfoz, that would still be local i (except for the 0) |
| 16:05.19 | Shirik | I said in a while loop |
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| 16:05.28 | Gnarfoz | oh, while. |
| 16:05.28 | alestane | AckisWork: _ as a global is often okay, as long as no-one reads it...it's usually used as a black hole. |
| 16:05.32 | Shirik | i = 0; while i < 10 do .... i = i + 1; end |
| 16:05.52 | AckisWork | alestane: it broke many many mods |
| 16:05.56 | Shirik | What's NOT ok is to pass _ to functions that have reserved parameters |
| 16:05.57 | Gnarfoz | fail :< didn't someone make a "you're leaking global variables, you moron" scanner? |
| 16:05.58 | Shirik | *cough* |
| 16:06.23 | Shirik | I changed an API that had a reserved parameter to start using that parameter, and so many modules broke as a result :( |
| 16:06.31 | Anaral | Lunessa: Then point them to UberQuest Reborn Again. |
| 16:06.33 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: luac will do it |
| 16:06.45 | foxlit | Fun: https://www.gmail.com results in SSL errors |
| 16:06.45 | Shirik | yeah Gnarfoz, luac -l | grep SETGLOBAL |
| 16:06.46 | Anaral | It's like Quest Guru light. |
| 16:07.07 | Shirik | huh, foxlit |
| 16:07.15 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:07.23 | Shirik | it's because the cert belongs to mail.google.com foxlit |
| 16:07.29 | foxlit | I'm aware of why |
| 16:07.30 | Lunessa | Real WoW Players don't need an AddOn to tell them how to quest - RAWR!! |
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| 16:07.59 | Shirik | I need lightheaded :< |
| 16:08.04 | Lopeppeppy | go get it? |
| 16:08.05 | Shirik | QuestHelper I never got into though |
| 16:08.06 | Lunessa | They DO need OPie though. |
| 16:08.25 | Anaral | Aye, hence why I only use addons like Quest Guru and UberQuest with Lightheaded. All they do is help, they don't hold your hand. ;) |
| 16:08.48 | Anaral | Okay, off to the doctors, be back later. |
| 16:09.05 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: I was hoping to include myself in the "Real WoW Players" :( |
| 16:09.11 | foxlit | Speaking of OPie, I need to update that :) |
| 16:09.21 | foxlit | Shirik: lies, you're a fake WoW player. |
| 16:09.25 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:09.33 | Bouvi | Shirik: yes the authors of the book. LOL |
| 16:09.33 | Shirik | but I has epix! |
| 16:09.40 | Lunessa | Shirik: You're more likely a "real WoW player" than me. I mean FFS, I never kiled Gruul. |
| 16:09.44 | foxlit | are they welfare epix? |
| 16:09.54 | Shirik | EPIX http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drenden&n=Kimina |
| 16:10.08 | Lunessa | foxlit: I has welfare epixx bish. Badge lootz ftw. |
| 16:10.36 | adam_sc | @Shirik horde :S |
| 16:10.45 | Shirik | HORDE WIN |
| 16:10.52 | foxlit | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=atreju << epix! |
| 16:10.54 | adam_sc | no ;o |
| 16:11.06 | AckisWork | Lunessa: I'm writing a mod called that! :D |
| 16:11.20 | Lunessa | BadgeLootzFTW? |
| 16:11.36 | AckisWork | Welfare Epics |
| 16:11.41 | Lunessa | RAR. |
| 16:11.41 | Shirik | what was that site that rated all of your loot, etc. |
| 16:11.55 | durcyn | be.imba.hu? warcrafter.net? |
| 16:11.58 | foxlit | Shirik: they're mostly item-level based, which is pretty meh |
| 16:11.58 | Lopeppeppy | Um....imba! |
| 16:11.58 | AckisWork | Lunessa: http://www.wowwiki.com/WelfareEpics :P |
| 16:12.02 | adam_sc | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bronze+Dragonflight&n=Priestar << wanna be epix, but got t6 healing set in me bank ;] |
| 16:12.15 | Shirik | OOMKIN!!! |
| 16:12.42 | adam_sc | =[ |
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| 16:12.56 | Lunessa | Fear my Welfare Epixx. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Unkle |
| 16:13.01 | Shirik | but not bad |
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| 16:13.12 | Shirik | I would have 4 piece T6 |
| 16:13.12 | foxlit | Now that I'm retired, I should get a comedy guild tag |
| 16:13.19 | adam_sc | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bronze+Dragonflight&n=Gnomemo lol my PvP wanna be >.< |
| 16:13.22 | Shirik | but I've been passing everything to everyone else |
| 16:13.31 | Lopeppeppy | My current raiding main. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Argent+Dawn&n=Kirwan |
| 16:13.51 | adam_sc | is everybody for the horde? :S |
| 16:14.02 | foxlit | I'm not |
| 16:14.08 | foxlit | But I may well be in the next expansion |
| 16:14.13 | foxlit | They say they have cookies and milk. |
| 16:14.13 | Shirik | My horrible druid: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drenden&n=Sunfyre |
| 16:14.30 | adam_sc | lol I'm leveling my drood atm :) |
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| 16:14.40 | Shirik | I'm way over the crit reduction cap |
| 16:14.41 | Shirik | which is bad |
| 16:14.43 | alestane | Lovely. Our catalytic converter is starting to fail, our manufacturer's warranty is 900 miles expired and our ExtraCare coverage ran out last month. |
| 16:14.45 | AckisWork | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Ackis my main healer in shadow spec ahahahahahah |
| 16:14.45 | foxlit | Mm, badge! |
| 16:15.04 | foxlit | I wonder |
| 16:15.20 | foxlit | I'm positioning 48x48px rectangles in a circle around a point |
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| 16:15.39 | foxlit | At a currently fixed radius between the point and the center of the 48x48px rectangle |
| 16:15.51 | leethal | oh noes, trigonometry |
| 16:15.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear Burger King! http://idea-sandbox.com/blog/2008/07/what-is-burger-king-thinking/ |
| 16:16.28 | foxlit | Which currently works fine -- it's just r*cos(angle), r*sin(angle) where angle = 360 / number of boxes |
| 16:16.52 | Stanzilla | AckisWork: no sunwell wand? fail :( |
| 16:17.01 | Shirik | LMAO Lopeppeppy |
| 16:17.05 | Bouvi | Realized I did not mention what book: http://www.bouvi.com/sigs/bigbook.jpg |
| 16:17.07 | AckisWork | Stanzilla: never dropped for me /shrug |
| 16:17.10 | foxlit | The actual question, then, is to be able to detect whether boxes intersect given a radius, and pick a minimal radius where they do not |
| 16:17.15 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 16:17.18 | AckisWork | Stanzilla: and I stopped raiding :P But I have a KJ staff :D |
| 16:17.18 | foxlit | Hm |
| 16:17.22 | foxlit | My physics book is thicker |
| 16:17.28 | Stanzilla | AckisWork: why did you stop? |
| 16:17.35 | foxlit | (and longer!) |
| 16:17.56 | Bouvi | At age 40 I am not going to learn Physics lol. |
| 16:17.58 | cbreak | foxlit: intersection testing of rectangles is easy |
| 16:18.27 | cbreak | just test it horizontaly and vertically separately |
| 16:18.34 | klip | adam_sc: :) my pvp mage http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drak%27thul&n=Tarnaros I've got pretty all I could by for honor (farming only Battlemaster's trinket and Medallion with more resil) and I just started to try arenas :) |
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| 16:18.48 | klip | s/by/buy/ |
| 16:18.55 | foxlit | cbreak: while that's a nice observation, it doesn't exactly result in a neat solution of picking a suitable radius |
| 16:18.56 | klip | lol |
| 16:19.00 | AckisWork | Stanzilla: guild leader was a douche and everytime he talked I wanted to punch a baby so I just stopped raiding one day |
| 16:19.13 | klip | purl: I didn't know you exist :) |
| 16:19.13 | purl | You didn't know you exist :)? |
| 16:19.13 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 16:19.45 | Industrial | purl: ur mom |
| 16:19.46 | adam_sc | @klip I prefer PvE on my mage, AoE grind the sunfury mobs up in netherstorm = cash tbh |
| 16:20.31 | cbreak | you need the biggest radius at 45° I think, when the corners of the rectangles touch. you can calculate the angular difference of their centers |
| 16:20.47 | Shirik | delbu9c1 |
| 16:20.50 | Shirik | oops |
| 16:20.53 | cbreak | by taking their diagonal as one side of the triangle |
| 16:20.58 | cbreak | the other two sides are the radius |
| 16:21.11 | klip | adam_sc: yeah, but I play at nights or at work, and it is difficult to raid for me, but I'm going to try :) |
| 16:21.35 | durcyn | Shirik: what fun are keyloggers if you give us your passwords anyway? =( |
| 16:21.47 | Shirik | psh that's not a password :P |
| 16:21.49 | Shirik | That's my username |
| 16:21.56 | adam_sc | @klip idc what I do with my chars now, so long as I get my 6th 70 before wotlk :D |
| 16:22.03 | Shirik | My passwords always have 3 of 4 of caps, lowercase, number, and symbol |
| 16:22.12 | Shirik | since most systems require that anyway |
| 16:22.14 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik... does not admit such things in public. Bad Shirik! *poke* |
| 16:22.17 | foxlit | aka: I hate myself on international layouts |
| 16:22.23 | Shirik | oh I got poked! |
| 16:22.33 | Shirik | do I get a cookie now? |
| 16:22.52 | foxlit | http://www.wowui.cn |
| 16:23.30 | foxlit | I wonder how those guys do their licensing :) |
| 16:23.38 | Shirik | sigh, this guy won't stop |
| 16:23.44 | Shirik | Hey Lopeppeppy, remember that guild app from yesterday? |
| 16:23.50 | klip | adam_sc: :) I started to play 5 months ago, I have only this 70 and then alt of every class, just to get familiar with them :) and I like rogue, lvl 26 atm :) |
| 16:23.55 | Shirik | Someone asked him what an "eye bean" was and this was his response: |
| 16:23.59 | Shirik | the eye beams or w/e its called is in phase 2 wen the tanks gata avoid the big ass lazer thing from illidan and if they get hit their screwed |
| 16:24.20 | Josh_Borke | i cannot believe burger king let that out |
| 16:25.45 | Shirik | I agree Josh_Borke |
| 16:25.52 | Shirik | on the other thing it is rather amusing |
| 16:25.58 | Shirik | just not public place-worthy |
| 16:26.14 | AckisWork | Shirik: that's not an eye beam, that's a dick laser |
| 16:26.37 | Gnarfoz | you're a dick laser. |
| 16:26.56 | malreth_ | NO U! |
| 16:27.14 | durcyn | seriously. eye beams are so c'thun. |
| 16:27.15 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: it is very funny, just not appropriate for an airport imo |
| 16:27.28 | adam_sc | @klip I started about a year ago ;] |
| 16:27.55 | Gnarfoz | Josh_Borke: where else would it be appropriate? |
| 16:28.29 | Gnarfoz | it's the best place for it to be... just not as a tablet ... dunno what that paper that's on your tablet is called - in a restaurant - not even a fast food place :p |
| 16:28.42 | klip | adam_sc: maybe in 7 months and something I'll have 5 70's and leveling 6th char too :p |
| 16:29.19 | Josh_Borke | Gnarfoz: in a satirical magazine made for adults |
| 16:29.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, shirik, that application is priceless. :) |
| 16:29.27 | Josh_Borke | Gnarfoz: rather than a cartoon a 7 year old kid can pick up |
| 16:29.39 | Gnarfoz | Josh_Borke: so, did you try reading what I just said? :D |
| 16:29.41 | Lopeppeppy | We got one very similar yesterday, and then immedately afterword a duplicate filled out in regular english. |
| 16:29.56 | Josh_Borke | Gnarfoz: yea, you said tablet too many times |
| 16:29.59 | Josh_Borke | Gnarfoz: i got confused |
| 16:30.01 | Gnarfoz | tableeeet |
| 16:30.01 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:30.09 | Josh_Borke | is that like a table? |
| 16:30.25 | Gnarfoz | certainly nothing to do with a tabloid |
| 16:30.26 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 16:30.46 | Gnarfoz | just making sure |
| 16:30.49 | Gnarfoz | ~x de en tablett |
| 16:30.57 | Gnarfoz | oh shi- |
| 16:31.05 | Gnarfoz | well there you go. |
| 16:31.18 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 16:31.44 | erikd | so how's everyone doing today? :) |
| 16:31.49 | Gnarfoz | it's probably obvious why I used the wrong word :p |
| 16:32.05 | Lopeppeppy | erikd, I am eating lunch. Lunch is heaven. |
| 16:32.15 | Gnarfoz | eating is heaven |
| 16:32.16 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 16:32.18 | klip | hh |
| 16:32.19 | erikd | ooh, whatcha got? |
| 16:32.34 | klip | I'm thinking about eating some dinner :) |
| 16:32.43 | erikd | i had some banana bread straight from the oven last night, THAT was heaven |
| 16:32.48 | Gnarfoz | funny thing is, in just about all compound words... "Tablett" actually translates to "tablet" |
| 16:32.51 | Josh_Borke | Gnarfoz: a tablet is nothing like a tray here |
| 16:33.07 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's not even a valid translation on it's own |
| 16:33.08 | adam_sc | @klip never know ;] |
| 16:33.12 | Gnarfoz | I was simply using the wrong word |
| 16:33.17 | Lopeppeppy | It's all good. |
| 16:33.22 | Lopeppeppy | Language is the weirdness. |
| 16:34.20 | Shirik | I like language |
| 16:34.20 | Gnarfoz | it happens when you start to choose words based on other words in the target language instead of trying to actually translate it from your own language |
| 16:34.22 | klip | unfortunatelly my wife doesn't have much skill in cooking, but she knows some really great recipes, like Lasagne, that is heaven |
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| 16:35.27 | Josh_Borke | klip: i hope she doesn't read that :-P |
| 16:35.42 | Lopeppeppy | If she can make lasagna, she can make other things. Just get a cookbook and start experimenting. Keep PB&J on hand for if something screws up badly. |
| 16:35.58 | Josh_Borke | remember to always ask for seconds! |
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| 16:39.46 | klip | Josh_Borke: she is ok with that :) we tell these things to each other and we are having lot of fun :) |
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| 16:40.27 | erikd | lasagna has to be one of the best foods on earth |
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| 16:42.18 | Josh_Borke | klip: good :-) |
| 16:44.14 | klip | it reminds me, I learned to cook Dragonbreath Chilli and was so excited about it that as a frost mage I would breath fire and confuse enemy by that, but I've ate a stack already and it never happened to me :) I think it has something to do with me not getting much into melee :) |
| 16:47.19 | klip | hm, maybe I should have eat some at Scholomance :) I was boosting some pala there and I had to melee skeletons, because they were immune to anything I throwed on them :) |
| 16:47.40 | klip | or was it another dungeon? doesn't matter :) |
| 16:47.58 | zenzelezz | Scholomance has a few magic-immune non-elite skeletons, yes |
| 16:48.53 | Lopeppeppy | And whelps! |
| 16:49.07 | zenzelezz | are they also immune to magic? |
| 16:49.19 | klip | I remember only skeletons :) |
| 16:49.54 | foxlit | only the skeletons are annoying that way |
| 16:49.57 | nevcairiel | The whelps are not immune |
| 16:50.07 | Lopeppeppy | whelps just swarm and do melee to everyone they can smell. |
| 16:50.11 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, guys! |
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| 16:50.14 | zenzelezz | foxlit: well, I find the physical-immune shades more annoying |
| 16:50.29 | foxlit | I play casters :) |
| 16:53.43 | erikd | foxlit: you'll be interested to know one of my guildies linked opie in our guild forums this week as a "cool new addon they found" :P |
| 16:54.10 | Shirik | How many "normal" ascii characters do you think there are (what people would typically use in a password) |
| 16:54.15 | Shirik | 26 + 26 + 10 + 10? |
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| 16:54.36 | Josh_Borke | mrp. |
| 16:54.36 | Shirik | lua> (26 + 26 + 10 + 10)^11 |
| 16:54.36 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2.6956124946896e+20 |
| 16:54.37 | Josh_Borke | more rather |
| 16:54.56 | Shirik | lua> (26 + 26 + 10 + 20)^11 |
| 16:54.57 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.1270738569549e+21 |
| 16:54.57 | Josh_Borke | you're better off counting keys on a keyboard |
| 16:55.18 | Josh_Borke | lua> (26+26+10+10+22)^11 |
| 16:55.18 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 5.0629820724921e+21 |
| 16:55.40 | klip | some ppl use special characters from their language also :) |
| 16:55.40 | Shirik | ok so we're talking somewhere in the 10^21 order |
| 16:55.55 | Josh_Borke | klip: there is no other language than english, let's be honest :-P |
| 16:55.59 | erikd | i'd say 26 + 26 + 13 + 13 in english |
| 16:56.14 | erikd | 10 + 3 for the `, - and = |
| 16:56.34 | Josh_Borke | what about []\`? |
| 16:56.41 | Josh_Borke | or .,/? |
| 16:56.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Gryphon (n=gryphon@71.216.187.10) |
| 16:56.50 | Josh_Borke | and ; and ' |
| 16:56.51 | erikd | true |
| 16:56.54 | Josh_Borke | those poor guys |
| 16:56.56 | Josh_Borke | always left out |
| 16:57.12 | erikd | they get their dues in c |
| 16:57.22 | malreth | http://i38.tinypic.com/ipbimb.jpg |
| 16:57.24 | malreth | hawt |
| 16:57.41 | erikd | work safe? |
| 16:57.52 | Josh_Borke | picture of 2 gymnasts kissing on the month |
| 16:57.53 | malreth | ... |
| 16:57.57 | Josh_Borke | s/month/mouth/ |
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| 16:58.19 | erikd | i think i can deal with that :) |
| 16:58.29 | malreth | erikd: yes. yes you can. |
| 16:59.29 | malreth | last night, my fiancee got a gold medallion for her alt on the very first game she played of AV |
| 16:59.56 | nevcairiel | meh i did stupid BGs all day and didnt get one |
| 17:00.14 | Gnarfoz | malreth: Katy Perry song comes to mind |
| 17:00.14 | Josh_Borke | is it guaranteed on a win? |
| 17:00.19 | Pneumatus | nope |
| 17:00.22 | nevcairiel | Josh_Borke: no, some random chance |
| 17:00.23 | Josh_Borke | really?! |
| 17:00.25 | Josh_Borke | crap |
| 17:00.38 | malreth | the tabard is a 100% drop on a win |
| 17:00.45 | klip | Josh_Borke: honest native english speaking think that and then they don't understand to me and my chinese friend speak english in front of them |
| 17:00.46 | nevcairiel | guess i'll join our next weekly guild-pvp |
| 17:00.48 | Pneumatus | 1/totalNumberOfPeopleThatDon'tHaveItAlready |
| 17:01.04 | nevcairiel | malreth: 100% on participate in BG, doesnt even have to be a win :D |
| 17:01.04 | klip | friend speaking* english |
| 17:01.11 | KautionTape | tabard is 100% on play |
| 17:01.25 | malreth | man... i must suck then. i still don't have the tabard |
| 17:01.27 | Pneumatus | if you win an WSG and the other 9 people have the gold medal already, you will get it |
| 17:01.33 | KautionTape | Yeah, what nevcairiel said... |
| 17:01.45 | Josh_Borke | klip: you know i'm being sarcastic, right? |
| 17:01.48 | nevcairiel | malreth: i guess, i got the tabard on my first BG today, which i lost |
| 17:01.51 | klip | Josh_Borke: sure :p |
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| 17:02.10 | Pneumatus | but the tabbard seems to go out just from attending the full length in a bg |
| 17:02.25 | Pneumatus | (getting in before it starts, then leaving when it finishes) |
| 17:02.42 | KautionTape | Gold medal is completely random after a win. |
| 17:02.51 | KautionTape | There's nothing else involved in getting it. =/ |
| 17:03.00 | Josh_Borke | that's makes me not want it |
| 17:03.10 | Pneumatus | nah, its not completely random |
| 17:03.37 | nevcairiel | unless you can find a blue-post saying otherwise, it is :) |
| 17:03.50 | Josh_Borke | i would guess Pneumatus is correct |
| 17:03.54 | KautionTape | Well I got mine from an AV win, so that shoots down teh WSG hypothesis. xD |
| 17:03.57 | Josh_Borke | it's random within your win |
| 17:04.04 | klip | everyone has it. Willy is much better :) |
| 17:04.24 | Pneumatus | there was a blue post somewhere, im sure, saying that 1 person is selected from the winners who doesn't already have the medal |
| 17:04.38 | Josh_Borke | i would hypothesize that blizzard would take a pool of people who won, remove those who have the pet, and random it among the remainder |
| 17:05.29 | Pneumatus | i prefer my mini nehter ray, and mini sporebats though |
| 17:05.35 | KautionTape | Or they just determine if you have one, and if you don't, randomize it. =/ |
| 17:05.43 | KautionTape | I haven't seen a blue post either way, so I dunno |
| 17:06.18 | Pneumatus | KautionTape: if that were the case, a lot more people would have it because there would be a chance that every winner could get it per win |
| 17:07.50 | KautionTape | I'm not a stat major, but wouldn't everyone getting even a 50% of receiving it be less likely than one getting handed out 100% after a win? |
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| 17:08.52 | Lunessa | malreth: Explaining geometry and the art of triangulation to n00bs earns you +5 Honor and +100 Headaches |
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| 17:13.29 | Kirov | Lunessa - !? |
| 17:13.41 | Kirov | Lunessa - L2Highschool? |
| 17:14.18 | Lunessa | Kirov: Not me silly, noobs. I'm no noob. I just know that because he 'splained it, he's going to get lots of "nu-uh!" repsonses. |
| 17:14.35 | malreth | Wori98\pron |
| 17:14.39 | Kirov | something on the forums? |
| 17:14.45 | malreth | nooo! |
| 17:14.52 | malreth | stupid focus stealing apps! |
| 17:15.03 | Kirov | awesome |
| 17:15.04 | malreth | that's totally not my password |
| 17:15.14 | Bouvi | pfft we never learned most of that in high school. Of course high school was 22 years ago. We did not have things like computers, internet. Heck we wrote on stone tablets. |
| 17:15.19 | Kirov | ~failhat malreth |
| 17:16.14 | Lunessa | Bouvi: You had stone tablets? COR! We would have KILLED for stone tablets! |
| 17:16.42 | Kirov | used stone tablets... cheaper, but harder to read |
| 17:16.42 | Bouvi | We were cutting edge back then. We even had manual typewriters for typing class. |
| 17:16.55 | klip | We would have killed each other by stone tablets! :) |
| 17:17.23 | Arrowmaster | i didnt get realy computers in highschool until my junior year |
| 17:18.06 | Bouvi | We had computers. Apple II and Vic 20s in my Jr. year. |
| 17:18.16 | Bouvi | I think we have 1 of each lol. |
| 17:18.29 | KarlKFI | i had... wait... i didn't take any computer classes in HS |
| 17:18.36 | Kirov | I was playing Doom ... |
| 17:18.44 | Kirov | yay for ctrl+c |
| 17:18.48 | Arrowmaster | we played counterstrike and quake2 |
| 17:18.50 | klip | and Dune II |
| 17:18.51 | KarlKFI | i played sim tower in jr high tho |
| 17:19.01 | Lunessa | Actually, I learned BASIC on a TRS-80 and a HeathKit at Radio Shack and Apple Basic on an Apple ][ e |
| 17:19.04 | Arrowmaster | quake2 on the laptops, counterstrike on the desktops |
| 17:19.05 | Bouvi | I played Space Invaders.... Hitech |
| 17:19.19 | Kirov | Bouvi - it had color! |
| 17:19.35 | Bouvi | Ahhh basic on a TRS-80. Those were the days. |
| 17:19.44 | Kirov | Green AND white! |
| 17:19.53 | Kirov | fantastic |
| 17:19.59 | Bouvi | Yes the 2 color wonders. It was incredible!! |
| 17:20.53 | Lunessa | Actually, I was on the monochrome version. |
| 17:21.15 | Bouvi | Hey the Vic 20 had 16 colors. Now that was hot! |
| 17:21.29 | Lunessa | And my Atari home computer was cooler looking than the Vic-20 or the C-64, but nowhere near as good. |
| 17:21.39 | Bouvi | And I could expand my RAM from 5kb to 32Kb!!! |
| 17:21.39 | malreth | i think that dates bouvi as older than me |
| 17:22.06 | Bouvi | I will be 40 in Oct :( Someone get the way-back machine!!! |
| 17:22.14 | Arrowmaster | i think i have a computer around here with 8kb of ram |
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| 17:22.35 | Arrowmaster | i have a 'laptop' from 1986 |
| 17:22.36 | Bouvi | Oh do not forget the Tape Drives. Just stick a cassette into it and hit record... |
| 17:23.06 | Lunessa | He's a smidge older than me, but we're of an era, he and I. We managed to cut ourselves on pull-ring pop cans and we listened to 45s. |
| 17:23.31 | Bouvi | I remember yelling Hey mom, do we have an empty cassette or something I can record over. |
| 17:23.36 | malreth | i miss those bird killing pop can tops |
| 17:23.45 | Lunessa | And our parents took us to see Benji movies in the theater. |
| 17:24.11 | malreth | back before there was a PG-13 rating |
| 17:24.27 | Kirov | Yay for Steven Speilberg |
| 17:24.37 | Bouvi | My parents too me to see Star Wars in the theatre. |
| 17:24.49 | Bouvi | I was not into Benji much. |
| 17:24.54 | malreth | the first movie i saw was star wars |
| 17:24.59 | malreth | i was almost 3 months old |
| 17:25.05 | Bouvi | LOL |
| 17:25.46 | malreth | it was shipped on a cattle boat to Guam where my dad was stationed |
| 17:25.49 | Bouvi | I am not sure what the first one I saw was but I do remember going to see Escape to Witch Mountain in 1975. |
| 17:25.53 | Kirov | I honestly have no idea what the first movie I saw was. |
| 17:26.33 | Bouvi | I am sure I saw something before that thou. I was 7 then. |
| 17:33.50 | Industrial | ~seen Tuller |
| 17:33.56 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 3d 18h 11m 32s ago, saying: 'though one of those is best left as a forum post'. |
| 17:37.51 | Neo|Other | think it's probably sufficient for a first release |
| 17:37.51 | malreth | Do it. |
| 17:37.52 | Lunessa | Bouvi: Wow... now there was a lame movie. Even when I saw it in '75 I thought it was LAME |
| 17:38.03 | malreth | Then your journey to the dark side will be complete. |
| 17:38.11 | Bouvi | Never said I liked it lol. Just that I remembered it. |
| 17:38.27 | Bouvi | However I would have loved to have had their powers. |
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| 17:41.41 | Lunessa | Well, yeah. Who doesn't want telekinesis? |
| 17:42.11 | Dewin | I'd prefer teleportation |
| 17:42.57 | Lunessa | I want both and telepathy. |
| 17:43.03 | Bouvi | I wanted it all. Including invisibility. Now that would have been fun in high school. |
| 17:43.07 | KarlKFI | shapshifting plx |
| 17:43.16 | Dewin | Eh. Telepathy is as much a curse as a blessing |
| 17:43.21 | zenzelezz | I'm happy as long as I can kill stuff using only my thoughts |
| 17:43.26 | cbreak | very weird. I get UNIT_MANA events in bear form |
| 17:43.45 | KarlKFI | good. make an addon that gives you a bar |
| 17:44.10 | KarlKFI | cause oyu kwno that's why droods go cat in arena |
| 17:44.12 | cbreak | I am making an addon that gives me a graph |
| 17:44.26 | Josh_Borke | graphs are fun |
| 17:44.53 | KarlKFI | graphs are useless in combat.. |
| 17:45.22 | Dewin | Actually, superpowerwise, I'd prefer flight + being strong enough to carry someone with me while flying. Mainly because I have lots of subconscious experience with the former (I dream about being able to fly alot) |
| 17:45.40 | KarlKFI | taking up my precious brain clock cycles interpreting them to useful information.. |
| 17:46.24 | KarlKFI | replace the graphics with something useful |
| 17:46.31 | Lunessa | With my mind power of telekinesis, I would fly. And carry people. And all kinds of neat things. |
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| 17:46.42 | KarlKFI | like a text and voice warning that says "YOU SUCK" |
| 17:46.49 | cbreak | the graph isn't for combat, it's for after combat |
| 17:46.56 | Kirov | Or replace them with my balls! |
| 17:47.22 | cbreak | after combat, your current health and mana is worthless |
| 17:47.34 | cbreak | it's much more helpful to see how it was and changed over the fight |
| 17:47.59 | Lunessa | Kirov, you won't be happy until your balls are on every screen, will you? |
| 17:48.08 | KarlKFI | only if you have things to compare it with |
| 17:48.24 | malreth | Mr. T ate my balls? |
| 17:48.25 | Dewin | Lunessa: but then it'd really suck when you had a headache. |
| 17:48.43 | cbreak | incidentialy, you have things to compare it with :) |
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| 17:49.00 | Lunessa | Dewin: Kirov doesn't actually want his balls on my screen. They would clash with my UI. |
| 17:49.56 | Lunessa | Indeed. I have a Sarcasm score of over 9,000/ |
| 17:50.06 | Dewin | over 9000?! |
| 17:50.50 | zenzelezz | 9000? Oh that's sooooo much... |
| 17:50.59 | KarlKFI | you should let that rest. lvl up your irony. |
| 17:53.01 | Esamynn|Work | Lunessa: if I log onto the beta tonight, and check the guild bank, will there be any room left? |
| 17:53.08 | Lunessa | I have a well-honed sense of the ironic. And brilliant comedic timing. |
| 17:53.18 | Lunessa | Esamynn|Work: Ummm... some? |
| 17:53.21 | cbreak | The problem is UnitMana always returns the power type that is current, so in bear form rage, in caster form mana |
| 17:53.27 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart Lunessa |
| 17:53.27 | purl | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, Lunessa, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 17:53.33 | Lunessa | I put something like 20 new gems in the bank. |
| 17:53.46 | Lunessa | I knew purl was a dirty girl. |
| 17:54.19 | KarlKFI | i'd take some gems. BUT I CANT WITHDRAW! |
| 17:54.30 | Esamynn|Work | I blame blizzard |
| 17:54.49 | KarlKFI | excuses |
| 17:54.56 | Esamynn|Work | fine fine, I'll raise the limit |
| 17:56.32 | Kirov | bad Lunessa, bad! |
| 17:56.33 | Lunessa | I never have any problem taking anything out. It's probably an issue where you missed a setting for a rank. |
| 17:56.45 | Lunessa | what, local? |
| 17:56.52 | Kirov | Lunessa - spamming that will result in |
| 17:56.52 | Kirov | 1 |
| 17:57.02 | Lunessa | Bah. Ok. |
| 17:57.02 | Kirov | because it's local! |
| 17:57.21 | Lunessa | Nuked. |
| 17:57.32 | Lunessa | I forgot, scope would change with each mash. |
| 17:58.03 | Lunessa | And he's unlikely to collide using MashCount as a var name. |
| 17:58.28 | Neo|Other | holy that was approved fast |
| 17:58.37 | Neo|Other | how many ppl sit there and approve uploads anyway? |
| 17:59.04 | NightHawkTheSane | really it's just Shirik with nothing better to do. |
| 17:59.13 | nevcairiel | Cairenn gets a big ping-ish motion on her screen when something needs approval =P |
| 17:59.18 | Neo|Other | heh |
| 17:59.19 | zenzelezz | Cairenn's neural nanonics are permanently monitoring the queue |
| 17:59.23 | Esamynn|Work | Lunessa: some people have reported their withdrawal limit not resetting |
| 17:59.39 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:59.41 | zenzelezz | Esamynn|Work: so they're having withdrawal issues? |
| 17:59.48 | Lunessa | Esa - ugh. it works for me. I wonder... are they using inventory addons? |
| 17:59.58 | Esamynn|Work | Lunessa: I've triple checked the settings for the ranks of the people with problems |
| 18:00.08 | malreth | they've got some serious ass withdrawal issues |
| 18:00.22 | Esamynn|Work | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 18:00.23 | purl | beats zenzelezz to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 18:00.23 | zenzelezz | ass withdrawal? I probably don't want to know the details |
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| 18:01.06 | Esamynn|Work | Cairenn: you know what purl needs? whenever we ~gag someone, she needs to actually gag them, for like 10 seconds ;) |
| 18:01.13 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:02.32 | Cairenn | (2008-08-13 07:05:07) Cairenn: we've got a little widget on our desktops that dolby made for us ... refreshes every 10 sec for the two of us and every 60 sec for the moderators |
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| 18:03.11 | Esamynn|Work | who said that? |
| 18:03.19 | Cairenn | I did |
| 18:03.23 | Esamynn|Work | oh |
| 18:03.38 | Cairenn | just copied it rather than retyped ;) |
| 18:03.40 | Esamynn|Work | of course, what was I thinking |
| 18:04.10 | Esamynn|Work | that for moderating the addon queue? |
| 18:04.14 | Cairenn | aye |
| 18:04.21 | Esamynn|Work | no wonder you guys are so quick |
| 18:04.38 | Cairenn | for the moderators it only shows for the individual site they are on, for Dolby and I it's for all the sites |
| 18:05.10 | Esamynn|Work | nice |
| 18:05.16 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I sure hope they pay you nicely. For the huge volume of work you guys do. I mean seriously. |
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| 18:05.31 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Holy shiet |
| 18:05.47 | Cairenn | I adore it, I used to spend my day going from site to site to site to site to site to site to .... to make sure there was nothing in the queue at any of them |
| 18:05.50 | Xuerian | you sometimes refer to it as jacking in, matrix style? >.> |
| 18:05.56 | malreth | in case you haven't seen it on /. yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLiX5d3rC6o |
| 18:06.33 | Xuerian | malreth: Ah yeah, that was awesome. |
| 18:07.10 | Cairenn | Xuerian: ? |
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| 18:07.32 | Lunessa | Hehe... they're going to reveal... |
| 18:08.05 | Xuerian | Cairenn: I guess I just like the matrix a bit much, nevermind >.> |
| 18:08.12 | Cairenn | heh, okay |
| 18:09.18 | Esamynn|Work | Cairenn: you have a very strange sleep schedule :P |
| 18:09.31 | Dewin | What's a sleep schedule? |
| 18:09.32 | Cairenn | Esamynn|Work: this isn't news |
| 18:10.08 | Xuerian | Oddly enough, it seems fairly similar to mine. I just crawled out from my rock a minute ago too |
| 18:10.18 | Esamynn|Work | yes, but what time zone are you in? |
| 18:10.24 | Xuerian | EST? |
| 18:10.30 | Esamynn|Work | ok |
| 18:10.36 | Esamynn|Work | nm then :P |
| 18:10.41 | Xuerian | Hah. |
| 18:11.32 | Tem | . . . |
| 18:11.35 | Xuerian | + |
| 18:11.45 | Tem | "read the quest..." |
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| 18:12.04 | Tem | "I have, it says pavillions. I don't know what those are" |
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| 18:12.28 | Cairenn | Esamynn|Work: it's improving though .... last week I was going to bed between 9-11am, this week I've managed to back it up so that I'm going to bed between 2-6am |
| 18:12.37 | Esamynn|Work | Tem: so look up the word "pavilion" :P |
| 18:12.42 | Arrowmaster | Xuerian: pff im in EST and i got up a good hour ago you lazy bum |
| 18:13.12 | Tem | Esamynn|Work, I think it's sad that basic vocabulary can't even be assumed in quest writing |
| 18:13.13 | Cairenn | pavillion == bigass tent |
| 18:13.13 | Xuerian | Arrowmaster: Hey, that's my line |
| 18:13.18 | Kirov | "I attack the Gazebo." |
| 18:13.25 | Bouvi | Arrowmaster: I so hate you right now. I have been up since 6:15am EST. I hate working for a living. I want to win the lottery. |
| 18:13.36 | Tem | like, honestly? |
| 18:14.15 | Tem | I'm gonna have to get out of the global channels before the general stupidity drives me insane |
| 18:14.15 | Esamynn|Work | Tem: I'm not sure I'm understanding your complaint, are you unhappy with the fact that they used a word you weren't familiar with? |
| 18:14.18 | Dewin | "You have angered the Gazebo gods! They animate the gazebo and it eats you. Roll up a new first-level character" |
| 18:14.22 | Esamynn|Work | oh |
| 18:14.24 | Neo|Other | malreth: so that's getting to the point where it looks real enough to fool people... ofc it IS youtube quality |
| 18:14.29 | Esamynn|Work | you're just quoting gen chat |
| 18:14.33 | Tem | Esamynn|Work, I am |
| 18:14.35 | Esamynn|Work | now I understand |
| 18:14.41 | Tem | sorry, I should have been more clear |
| 18:15.04 | Esamynn|Work | you had me confused, and a little worried, actually :P |
| 18:15.36 | Lunessa | Tem: I've given up being helpful in global channels on beta. Mostly because the language I want to use would result in my getting a ban. |
| 18:15.52 | malreth | Neo|Other: the uncanny valley is a strong enough effect to be seen even through youtube |
| 18:16.16 | Tem | Esamynn|Work, if I didn't know what the word pavillion was, you should be worried |
| 18:16.57 | Tem | yay, made it to valgarde on my DK |
| 18:17.30 | Tem | productive lunch break is productive |
| 18:18.29 | Neo|Other | malreth: it's damn close, reall |
| 18:19.01 | Lunessa | Anyone want to tackle this: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023687315&sid=1 |
| 18:19.51 | Lunessa | malreth: Yes, but it's pretty well done. For once, it didn't give me the heebie-jeebies, but it was still obvious. |
| 18:24.45 | Tem | it was only obvious because you knew imo |
| 18:26.26 | leethal | hmm, is there any short examples around on how to use simplehtmlL |
| 18:26.39 | leethal | s/simplehtmlL/SimpleHTML?/ |
| 18:27.07 | leethal | hah I love that purl recognizes that command |
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| 18:28.08 | leethal | so, I've tried CreateFrame('SimpleHTML'), and then SetText("html here") on that frame, but that doesn't seem to work |
| 18:28.11 | leethal | I get no text at all on the frame |
| 18:29.47 | leethal | do you have to create fonstrings on SimpleHTML frames, perhaps? |
| 18:29.58 | nevcairiel | possible |
| 18:30.04 | nevcairiel | wonder if i use one somewhere |
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| 18:35.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Hah, Blockbuster CEO confused at how consumer choice, ease of use, and cheapness is appealing to consumers.. http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/08/blockbuster-ceo.html |
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| 18:40.27 | Pneumatus | if you rent more than 1 movie a month, netflix > blockbuster |
| 18:40.54 | leethal | is there a way to get the actual height on the fontstring if the fontstring spans multiple lines? |
| 18:41.15 | leethal | GetHeight only seems to return the height you got with SetAllPoints or SetHeight, not the "visible" height, in case of a long text line etc. |
| 18:42.52 | leethal | hmm http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_FontString mentions setting the height with SetHeight, I'll try that (using SetAllPoints atm) |
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| 18:45.19 | Hirsute | lua> test = true; if test then print "It's true!" end |
| 18:45.19 | lua_bot | Hirsute: It's true! |
| 18:45.23 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. |
| 18:46.59 | leethal | code (http://wowuidev.pastey.net/94187) and screenshot (http://skitch.com/leethal/u2ej/font-string-oddities) |
| 18:47.09 | AckisWork | any Canadians use a dvd rental thing? |
| 18:47.34 | leethal | if I do closeButton:SetAllPoints() instead of explicitly doing SetWidth and SetPoint, it wraps, though |
| 18:49.28 | leethal | oh, typos |
| 18:49.50 | leethal | did alertText:SetWidth(alertFrame:GetHeight()), should obviously be alertText:SetWidth(alertFrame:GetWidth()) |
| 18:58.29 | leethal | by the way: git users - how do you make a YourAddon.zip with a YourAddon directory with no hidden .git dir in it when packaging the addon for releaso? |
| 18:58.31 | leethal | release* |
| 18:58.43 | foxlit | You exlcude .git when you zip |
| 18:58.52 | leethal | the zip command? |
| 18:59.04 | leethal | never used it, actually. *looks up* |
| 18:59.16 | leethal | usually doing tar and gzip =P |
| 19:02.35 | leethal | hmm, zip -r AddonName seems to include the .git directory |
| 19:03.34 | Aiiane | yes... you have to exclude it yourself :P |
| 19:03.40 | leethal | rawr |
| 19:03.45 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:03.57 | leethal | RAWR? |
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| 19:04.44 | leethal | hmm, perhaps it's possible to tell git-archive to wrap all the files in a directory. |
| 19:05.14 | Aiiane | you can just use the -x option to zip |
| 19:05.17 | Aiiane | to exclude files |
| 19:05.25 | leethal | tried -x .git, failed |
| 19:05.53 | leethal | the exact command for ya: zip -r ReadyToRumble.zip ReadyToRumble/ -x .git |
| 19:06.34 | Aiiane | try -x ReadyToRumble/.git |
| 19:07.13 | leethal | http://pastie.org/255867 =/ |
| 19:07.30 | Aiiane | hmm |
| 19:07.33 | Aiiane | try .git* |
| 19:07.42 | foxlit | -x "./OPie/.git/*" |
| 19:07.53 | Aiiane | or yeah, that |
| 19:08.25 | leethal | yay =D |
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| 19:10.07 | foxlit | Of course, it should be possible to do it automatically |
| 19:10.31 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWlLaPzcyOQ |
| 19:11.23 | nevcairiel | i suppose .git doesnt have a cool "export" command like svn? |
| 19:11.36 | ckknight | I think it does, actually |
| 19:11.53 | malreth | ^ video of what happens when you kite surf in a tropical storm |
| 19:13.26 | leethal | making a shellscript ftw |
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| 19:19.23 | leethal | meh, wowi goes "A preview image is required for this category but was not attached." in safari 3.1, even though an image has been attached |
| 19:20.26 | foxlit | That worked for me on that browser last time I tried it |
| 19:20.31 | leethal | odd |
| 19:21.04 | leethal | firebug yields an error, fyi |
| 19:21.59 | Xuerian | malreth: Haha, awesome |
| 19:22.08 | leethal | also, I managed to submit the mod with firefox |
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| 19:31.05 | malreth | http://twitter.com/awryone/statuses/892373897 |
| 19:32.38 | Xuerian | Slightly off topic... Anyone have a good suggestion for a pandora client that doesn't tend to crash when you right-click it's tray menu? >_> |
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| 19:34.56 | Aiiane | Xuerian: as in pandora.com? |
| 19:35.09 | Xuerian | Aiiane: As in pandora.com. |
| 19:35.17 | Aiiane | I just use the web player >.> |
| 19:35.30 | Aiiane | since i typically have a webbrowser open regardless of what else im doing |
| 19:36.19 | Xuerian | Eh... Lack of keybinds is fail |
| 19:36.27 | Aiiane | lol |
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| 19:38.02 | haste | lol |
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| 19:39.07 | Aiiane | ~fail WoWLuaircBot |
| 19:39.08 | purl | WoWLuaircBot, you Fail! |
| 19:39.10 | dafire | *cry* |
| 19:41.18 | haste | dafire: added the .visibleX on master now |
| 19:41.51 | Xuerian | wtf.. |
| 19:42.08 | dafire | thx .9 |
| 19:42.19 | dafire | haste, have you already thought about threat info from wow api ? |
| 19:42.35 | haste | why would I think about that ? |
| 19:42.56 | haste | as in they have icons for it now :p ? |
| 19:43.01 | dafire | maybe add as a generic moduel like range |
| 19:43.28 | haste | I'll take a look at what blizzard does |
| 19:43.53 | haste | I pretty much limit the scope to what the default frames do |
| 19:44.04 | dafire | they add a colored button |
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| 19:44.41 | dafire | but I'd add a textstring with % |
| 19:44.57 | haste | target only or? |
| 19:45.43 | dafire | it's on the player frame and on the pet frame i think |
| 19:46.10 | dafire | i don't know if the pet aggro is against your target or the pets target |
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| 19:47.55 | dafire | I never tried party .. and what it shows.. but i guess your target makes more sense then their target |
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| 19:55.48 | Kirov | It seems to work. |
| 19:55.52 | Test | Yes it does. |
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| 20:03.15 | Thrae | Cairenn: Now that the WAR NDA is down, when can we expect a war-interface.com? (unfortunately, seems warinterface.com has been taken) |
| 20:03.32 | Cairenn | hopefully soon-ish |
| 20:03.47 | Cairenn | and yes, we know it has been taken |
| 20:03.59 | erikd | can you modify the war ui like the wow one? |
| 20:04.03 | Thrae | I kinda figured you did. |
| 20:04.14 | Thrae | erikd: Yes, it uses Lua too. |
| 20:04.15 | erikd | that was something i didn't like about aoc, it didn't seem easily changable |
| 20:04.21 | erikd | ah, nice |
| 20:04.34 | Cairenn | Thrae: highly impressed by the fact that they did it, too .... |
| 20:05.02 | erikd | maybe people are starting to realize mmo interfaces are almost as important as the content? :) |
| 20:05.08 | Cairenn | took some other ones as well |
| 20:05.16 | Thrae | Cairenn: WAR using Lua, or someone grabbing up warinterface.com so quickly? |
| 20:05.32 | Cairenn | Thrae: I take it you haven't done a whois on it |
| 20:05.49 | Thrae | No, just saw it redirected to a French site |
| 20:07.06 | KarlKFI | curse? |
| 20:07.09 | Cairenn | yup |
| 20:07.13 | KarlKFI | >.< |
| 20:07.16 | KarlKFI | gg |
| 20:07.34 | Cairenn | " owner-name: Hubert Thieblot " |
| 20:07.40 | Thrae | I thought Curse was some German denomination...it's French? |
| 20:07.41 | KarlKFI | thats him |
| 20:07.55 | KarlKFI | french, tho they moved opperations to CA |
| 20:07.56 | Cairenn | Hubert Thieblot == NeT == Curse |
| 20:08.02 | Thrae | Ah |
| 20:08.23 | KarlKFI | lol net. that's mean |
| 20:08.25 | Cairenn | they registered a whole bunch of *interface.com |
| 20:08.31 | KarlKFI | i'm sure they did |
| 20:08.39 | KarlKFI | why stop at one |
| 20:08.44 | Thunder_Child | there wont be as much UI mods for war as mythic states that you cant get any more information than already exists. |
| 20:08.50 | Kirov | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/2/646/261 |
| 20:08.53 | KarlKFI | when you can force your competition's urls to redirect to yours |
| 20:09.02 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 20:09.09 | Thrae | So much for friendly competition... |
| 20:09.21 | dafire | with wow you also can only get information that already exists :9 |
| 20:09.37 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: That's a loaded statement, since it's the same for WoW. |
| 20:09.57 | Kirov | Meh |
| 20:10.09 | Kirov | Think about the days of wow 1.1 |
| 20:10.13 | dafire | you can't prevent someone creating a threat meter if people can count the casts and actions a character does |
| 20:10.22 | Shirik | Anyone here experienced with MySQL and subqueries? |
| 20:10.24 | Kirov | About just how little information was actually available to the user. |
| 20:10.43 | Kirov | Anyone here use the original CT_Raid? |
| 20:10.57 | dafire | before wow 2.0 you could do actually more with addons then now :9 |
| 20:11.24 | erikd | shirik: what about them? |
| 20:11.25 | Thrae | http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/WAR_API <-- still, there's a lot you can do out of the box |
| 20:11.37 | Shirik | Can't I do something like this? |
| 20:11.44 | Kirov | the Original CT_Raid was created because the only information available to you in a raid was the health and mana values for your target, your pet, and your 5 party members. |
| 20:11.52 | Kirov | er, 4 |
| 20:11.54 | Shirik | SELECT * FROM (DESCRIBE sometable) INNER JOIN (DESCRIBE someothertable) |
| 20:12.17 | Kirov | CT_Raid broadcasted your entiry party's health information via a hidden chat channel. |
| 20:12.18 | erikd | you have to name your subselects |
| 20:13.01 | erikd | SELECT * FROM (DESCRIBE sometable) table1 INNER JOIN (DESCRIBE someothertable) table2 |
| 20:13.19 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:13.21 | erikd | or is that not what you meant? |
| 20:13.42 | Kirov | http://www.thewarwiki.com/wiki/API:Hello_World - eek |
| 20:14.06 | Shirik | that doesn't seem to work :/ |
| 20:14.20 | Shirik | I just want to combine the results of DESCRIBE sometable and DESCRIBE someothertable into one :/ |
| 20:14.33 | erikd | oh, you'd want a union |
| 20:14.56 | erikd | SELECT * FROM (DESCRIBE sometable) table1 UNION SELECT * FROM (DESCRIBE someothertable) table2 |
| 20:15.07 | erikd | i think... |
| 20:15.15 | erikd | i don't remember union syntax exactly |
| 20:15.20 | erikd | i don't use them very often :) |
| 20:15.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: to be honest, I am a bit |
| 20:15.46 | Cairenn | I don't know why you would be |
| 20:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Ignorance/innocence :) |
| 20:17.32 | erikd | hmm, maybe you can't use describe as a subselect |
| 20:18.00 | Thrae | Cairenn: I think I started hibernating around the time Curse really started to get commercially vicious. |
| 20:18.30 | Thrae | Curse eating up Wowace is something I would not have expected. |
| 20:19.19 | Cairenn | again, don't know why you're surprised by it ... when we hosted them, there were not strings attached ... when Curse hired Kaelten away from us and took over hosting them ... |
| 20:19.40 | ckknight | Kirov: http://war.curseforge.com/projects/hello-world/ for the proper addon |
| 20:20.36 | Neo|Other | war online uses lua addons too? |
| 20:20.54 | Thrae | I didn't know Wowace was hosted by MMOI at one point. I thought the entire idea of Wowaceupdater needing advertisements was because of the bandwidth. |
| 20:21.16 | Bouvi | There has to be some way to make money playing video games.... I am tired of being here at 8am lol, |
| 20:21.25 | Thrae | Neo|Other: Yeah, but I doubt it's going to be as refined as WoW is right now, since WoW still isn't very refined... |
| 20:21.45 | Cairenn | Thrae: we hosted them for a couple years |
| 20:21.52 | Thrae | Bouvi: I work as a game tester right now. |
| 20:22.18 | Thrae | Bouvi: However, considering to you it's 8am, I doubt I could get you a job ;) |
| 20:22.20 | Bouvi | Thrae: :P does it pay well? |
| 20:22.21 | Cairenn | Thrae: people like to forget that particular fact |
| 20:22.28 | Thrae | Bouvi: Hell no |
| 20:22.42 | Thrae | Cairenn: I would remember if I was told! |
| 20:23.03 | Bouvi | OK.... I wish that I could make GOOD money playing video games. |
| 20:23.03 | Neo|Other | still the fact that they do hjave it is always promising |
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| 20:24.03 | Kaelten | Cairenn: you know I'll never forget it. |
| 20:24.14 | Cairenn | aaanyway, I need to go do some errands, later guys |
| 20:25.13 | Thrae | Bouvi: Depends on your definition of "good money" ;) |
| 20:25.36 | Bouvi | Enough so I can live comfortably and not have to work. 35 to 40k would be enough. |
| 20:25.54 | erikd | shirik: what about this? http://wowi.pastey.net/94191 |
| 20:26.29 | erikd | you may have to modify the columns you're selecting but that looks about the same |
| 20:26.43 | Josh_Borke | oh dear, that's not lua |
| 20:27.35 | erikd | it's wow related, though! |
| 20:45.03 | Shirik | hrm |
| 20:45.11 | Shirik | If MySQL says "1 warning" ... how do I see what that warning is |
| 20:46.50 | erikd | it should usually tell you |
| 20:47.10 | Shirik | It didn't / |
| 20:47.13 | Shirik | mysql> DELETE FROM eqdkp_raid_attendees WHERE member_name = "Unveiled" AND raid_id = (SELECT raid_id FROM eqdkp_raids WHERE raid_date <= 1217952000); |
| 20:47.14 | Shirik | Query OK, 0 rows affected, 1 warning (0.00 sec) |
| 20:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | SHOW WARNINGS; |
| 20:48.01 | erikd | interesting, i didn't know about that :P |
| 20:48.43 | cbreak | sub queries? |
| 20:48.54 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:49.16 | cbreak | didn't know mysql supports those |
| 20:49.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i believe it was added in 5.0 |
| 20:49.41 | Shirik | hrm |
| 20:49.47 | Shirik | Error | 1242 | Subquery returns more than 1 row |
| 20:49.56 | erikd | ah, that'll do it |
| 20:50.00 | Shirik | I thought that was legal :/ |
| 20:50.04 | Shirik | I thought it would iterate over each one :( |
| 20:50.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: make that raid_id IN (select ...) |
| 20:50.10 | erikd | raid_id IN (ASDF) |
| 20:50.11 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:50.20 | Shirik | as you can tell I don't use subqueries.... ever. |
| 20:50.33 | NightHawkTheSane | well, IN is useful for other things as well, but yeah. |
| 20:50.35 | Shirik | wheee, I think it worked |
| 20:50.47 | erikd | i have to deal with sql more than i really want to =/ |
| 20:50.58 | erikd | usually it's massaging a client's crappy data |
| 20:51.21 | NightHawkTheSane | same erikd, except usually it's massaging OUR crappy data ;) |
| 20:51.53 | erikd | i never, EVER want to see another database using a text field as a foreign key |
| 20:51.59 | ScytheBlade1 | random quite from an IM convo of mine |
| 20:52.03 | ScytheBlade1 | "Like one backend glitch that resulted in a large number of customers getting phone calls with a recording saying "Kill them all. Kill them all. Kill them all." |
| 20:52.07 | NightHawkTheSane | erikd: that.. makes me cry |
| 20:52.30 | erikd | me too... me too |
| 20:52.37 | cbreak | foreign keys? :) |
| 20:53.20 | erikd | a table has a primary key that's a unique value to indicate a specific row in the table |
| 20:53.21 | Shirik | erikd: Oh you don't want to see the eqdkp tables then |
| 20:53.28 | Shirik | This is THE ABSOLUTE WORST database design I've ever seen |
| 20:53.36 | amro|afk | ~comfort Shirik |
| 20:53.37 | purl | There, there, Shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:53.41 | Shirik | And yes, it uses the member names as keys :) |
| 20:53.43 | erikd | a foreign key is a "pointer" to a primary key in another table |
| 20:54.02 | cbreak | hmm... strings don't seem particularily efficient for that |
| 20:54.07 | Shirik | it isn't |
| 20:54.15 | cbreak | ar they at least fixed length? :) |
| 20:54.31 | erikd | it's incredibly bad, especially when it's an arbitrary text field that THE USER TYPES IN |
| 20:54.50 | cbreak | guaranteed to be unique? :) |
| 20:55.05 | erikd | not in the case of the client's db i was talking about |
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| 20:55.12 | erikd | and it's not even a standard format |
| 20:55.14 | Shirik | cbreak: Well it's WoW char names so obviously unique, but still |
| 20:55.21 | Shirik | (for me |
| 20:55.31 | NightHawkTheSane | erikd: i'd murder whoever did your db design |
| 20:55.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, we have some real wtfs in ours |
| 20:55.53 | NightHawkTheSane | but that takes the cake right there |
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| 20:56.07 | erikd | i seriously cry any time i have to do something with that db |
| 20:56.11 | erikd | it's beyond repair |
| 20:56.29 | erikd | it's like link table spaghetti |
| 20:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, spaghetti |
| 20:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/AlmanacDB.png |
| 20:57.02 | erikd | it's pretty much as close to a middle schooler's basic program as a database can get :P |
| 20:57.35 | erikd | (no offense to any middle schooler basic programmers here intended) |
| 20:57.50 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1:wtf |
| 20:58.27 | erikd | that's not too bad |
| 20:58.30 | Shirik | actually yeah |
| 20:58.32 | Shirik | it looks ok |
| 20:58.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i've seen worse |
| 20:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It's actually really really clean |
| 20:58.35 | Shirik | At least they use IDs |
| 20:58.35 | erikd | just laid out poorly |
| 20:58.38 | ScytheBlade1 | The graphic is just a mess |
| 20:58.45 | Shirik | Unlike eqdkp... |
| 20:58.56 | Shirik | oh, I just got a great idea |
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| 21:00.45 | Shirik | Why eqdkp is fail: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e42c555ccc2bb4785fdec61d497c8420.jpg |
| 21:00.56 | erikd | the phpraider database is pretty messy too |
| 21:01.08 | erikd | heh |
| 21:01.12 | erikd | that could be why |
| 21:01.17 | ckknight | Shirik: discrete ftw? |
| 21:01.26 | Neo|Other | eqdkp |
| 21:01.29 | Neo|Other | shiver |
| 21:01.39 | haste | oh god, eqdkp :( |
| 21:01.44 | haste | had my share of hacking on that one |
| 21:01.48 | Neo|Other | why do you make a members table with an ID and a name... and then use the name as the key in other tables? |
| 21:01.57 | Shirik | Neo|Other: That's actually one of the coolest parts |
| 21:02.04 | Neo|Other | it's retarded database design! |
| 21:02.11 | Neo|Other | have to change like 3-4 tables when someone changes their name |
| 21:02.14 | Shirik | | member_id | smallint(5) unsigned | NO | PRI | NULL | auto_increment | |
| 21:02.22 | Shirik | | member_name | varchar(30) | NO | UNI | NULL | | |
| 21:02.28 | Shirik | Then you go ahead and use member_name everywhere |
| 21:02.35 | erikd | hah |
| 21:03.21 | Neo|Other | why is that "cool"? |
| 21:03.27 | NightHawkTheSane | wait.. |
| 21:03.37 | NightHawkTheSane | member_id is a "smallint(5) unsigned"? |
| 21:04.05 | Shirik | Neo|Other: "cool" meaning "omfg why are you so stupid" |
| 21:04.56 | Pneumatus | eqdkp needs throwing in the bin and re-writing from scratch |
| 21:04.59 | Pneumatus | it's terrible :< |
| 21:05.06 | Neo|Other | Shirik: fair enough |
| 21:05.17 | Shirik | But |
| 21:05.17 | Neo|Other | Pneumatus: what's amazing though is that eqdkp importer is worse |
| 21:05.18 | Shirik | BY FAR |
| 21:05.23 | Shirik | the coolest part of eqdkp |
| 21:05.30 | Neo|Other | far far worse |
| 21:05.38 | Shirik | is the fact that members have their "spent" "earned" and "adjusted" DKP in the eqdkp_members table |
| 21:05.49 | Shirik | so that you have two copies of their DKP |
| 21:06.00 | Pneumatus | you mean, so it doesnt actually add up to the raids, if you dick around with the raids |
| 21:06.02 | Shirik | so that every time you make an adjustment |
| 21:06.05 | Pneumatus | recaulculating zero-sum etc |
| 21:06.05 | Neo|Other | ... yep |
| 21:06.06 | Shirik | you have to modify it in two places |
| 21:06.11 | Neo|Other | it makes sense in a way |
| 21:06.16 | Neo|Other | having a cache I mean |
| 21:06.16 | Shirik | I can't stand it |
| 21:06.17 | NightHawkTheSane | .. no, it does not. |
| 21:06.19 | Neo|Other | but yes that's dumb |
| 21:06.20 | Pneumatus | its terrible |
| 21:06.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I wrote a PHP script to handle zero-sum DKP in MC a while back |
| 21:06.30 | ScytheBlade1 | It really wasn't terrible |
| 21:06.44 | Neo|Other | NightHawkTheSane: caching makes sense because summing data for all members every time you look at the overview would be an extremely heavy call |
| 21:06.45 | amro|afk | Shirik: well that way you can be sure of the value, cause with these computer database things you never know what happens |
| 21:06.47 | NightHawkTheSane | god that makes me want to write a non-sucktacular dkp system. except then i realize i don't care. |
| 21:06.52 | Shirik | I wrote a PHP script to handle a sliding window |
| 21:06.55 | Shirik | It WAS terrible :P |
| 21:07.11 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 21:07.12 | Shirik | not only do I have to set zero value, but I have to go figure out how much I'm removing, then remove that from the totals list |
| 21:07.15 | foxlit | http://wowui.cn/opie/OneRingLocale.lua << times out for me :*( |
| 21:07.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Neo|Other: arguably, but there's probably a more elegant way to handle it |
| 21:07.22 | Shirik | It should be just set zero and done |
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| 21:08.17 | Neo|Other | we have almost 5000 "raids" with close to 100 people |
| 21:08.36 | Neo|Other | with 4200 items |
| 21:08.44 | Neo|Other | I don't want to sum up all that data all the fricking time :P |
| 21:08.54 | foxlit | Actually, with any luck |
| 21:09.03 | foxlit | Indexes might just do that for you |
| 21:10.18 | Neo|Other | it's still a pretty heavy call |
| 21:10.30 | leethal | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10476-ReadytoRumble.html \o/ |
| 21:11.01 | foxlit | Neo|Other: I could check whether that's the case, but I'm having difficulty estimating my care level at the moment |
| 21:11.29 | Neo|Other | needless to say, it should be a cache, not permanent |
| 21:11.44 | Neo|Other | or at least be recalculated every time you save a raid |
| 21:11.49 | Neo|Other | so it remanis proper |
| 21:12.06 | foxlit | Meh |
| 21:12.11 | foxlit | Perhaps not |
| 21:12.30 | foxlit | I mean, this way, you can easily prune raid/loot data past a certain age, and not have it affect other functionality |
| 21:12.48 | foxlit | The only scenario where any problems actually arise is if someone incompetent messes with the data directly. |
| 21:12.54 | Neo|Other | leethal: nice. I always forget to bring enough khorium ore and bog lord tendrils to raids.. although I haven't so far forgotten my glowcaps! |
| 21:13.08 | leethal | testing on bank mules for the win |
| 21:13.27 | Neo|Other | foxlit: you could yes. However I don't see a reason to do that (even after tracking all BC raids, it's not exactly large set of data) |
| 21:13.32 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: well, there shouldn't necessarily be a need to trim old data.. |
| 21:14.02 | Neo|Other | leethal: nice idea though. does it have an LDB provider? |
| 21:14.02 | foxlit | There shouldn't be a need to incompetently mess with data :) |
| 21:14.12 | leethal | what's LDB? |
| 21:14.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, the front end should be smart enough to not pull data it doesn't actually need. and properly indexed tables have no problem with large amounts of historical data |
| 21:14.17 | Neo|Other | ~ldb |
| 21:14.18 | purl | ldb is probably a WoW Library - A central registry for addons looking for something to display their data. http://github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/tree/master |
| 21:14.46 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, all this assumes that we're dealing with sane code ;) |
| 21:14.49 | leethal | github down for maintenance again >< |
| 21:15.02 | KarlKFI | lulz |
| 21:15.32 | ckknight | leethal: hehe |
| 21:15.58 | Neo|Other | would be handy with a status icon/text (also here's my display addon http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10474-ButtonBin.html ). |
| 21:16.01 | leethal | haha I got http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QdGt3ix2CQ, awesome |
| 21:16.05 | KarlKFI | is there a centralish list of all wow libs? |
| 21:16.24 | KarlKFI | since i knwo wowwiki isn't maintained |
| 21:16.58 | leethal | wowaddonsitethatisahunderedpercentsaneandwebtwopointoh.com |
| 21:17.17 | foxlit | Meh |
| 21:17.30 | foxlit | One day I'll spider addon download sites and analyze the contents of those zips |
| 21:17.37 | foxlit | But that day seems very, very far away |
| 21:18.32 | leethal | I don't _really_ like any of the wow addon sites |
| 21:18.39 | leethal | a wow addon site as frigging awesome as vimeo.com is would be sweet |
| 21:18.46 | leethal | cause vimeo.com is frigging awesome. Fyi. |
| 21:19.02 | leethal | I'm yet to see a webpage that cares more about the user experience tbh |
| 21:19.48 | KarlKFI | except... that's videos |
| 21:19.51 | p3lim | haste: is a name needed for the party header in :Spawn() ? |
| 21:19.58 | haste | es |
| 21:20.03 | haste | s/^/y/ |
| 21:20.25 | p3lim | any particular reason why? im just wondering |
| 21:20.44 | Thrae | leethal: It's difficult to compare a website giving addons to a website giving streaming content. Addons cannot be streamed to you. The two websites have entirely different mechanisms involved, so they have to be handled differently. |
| 21:20.50 | Gnarfoz | leethal: vimeo is teh shit... until they decided that they were going to suffer Stage6's fate if they kept allowing gaming videos :D |
| 21:21.08 | leethal | Thrae: yeah completely agree, it would have to be entirely different websites |
| 21:21.28 | leethal | I'm thinking more about the way they care about every aspect of the site being absolutely totally frigging awesome |
| 21:21.43 | leethal | Gnarfoz: hm, I started using vimeo a couple of months back, so I don't know how it was before stage6 vanished |
| 21:21.54 | haste | p3lim: because anything spawned with "header" is pretty much handled by blizzards code |
| 21:21.55 | Gnarfoz | how what was? |
| 21:22.05 | leethal | vimeo |
| 21:22.12 | Gnarfoz | in regards to gaming content? |
| 21:22.21 | p3lim | ok, but wouldnt that get sorted with Attributes? ('showParty') |
| 21:22.25 | Gnarfoz | they outright banned it now, so if anything, it's back to how it was "before" ;p |
| 21:22.45 | Xuerian | leethal: It was pure win |
| 21:22.50 | haste | p3lim: it's required for the header to work |
| 21:22.52 | Thrae | leethal: No, what I'm saying is that you're comparing apples to oranges. Yes, they are both fruit, or in this case, websites, but they are different enough such that what works and "is awesome" to one website doesn't necessarily apply to the other. In other words, if you think oranges are awesome because they prevent scurvy and fault apples because of it, you're making a bad analogy. |
| 21:23.00 | p3lim | ok then :) |
| 21:23.06 | leethal | um you can't have gaming content on vimeo? |
| 21:23.25 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: apples also contain vitamin c? oO |
| 21:23.31 | Gnarfoz | leethal: no, you can't :( |
| 21:23.47 | leethal | odd, http://vimeo.com/1194858 hasn't been touched |
| 21:24.03 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Read the last part of the paragraph again ;) |
| 21:24.16 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: that's not even a bad analogy, it's just /wrong/ :DP |
| 21:24.17 | p3lim | haste: could you show me one example of the use of .Health.colorX? |
| 21:24.25 | leethal | Thrae: again =P I'm thinking about how they care about how awesome the site is |
| 21:24.36 | haste | p3lim: .Health.colorTapped = true |
| 21:24.38 | leethal | not about how they solved the things there is to solve |
| 21:24.42 | Gnarfoz | leethal: probably haven't seen it, pretty simple |
| 21:24.56 | leethal | Gnarfoz: so what do they do? delete it |
| 21:24.56 | p3lim | so it colors a bar for you? |
| 21:24.57 | leethal | ? |
| 21:24.57 | Gnarfoz | leethal: one of my wotlk videos isn't gone, either, but it has 0 tags and the title is not very clear, either |
| 21:25.01 | haste | s/ed/ing/ |
| 21:25.04 | Gnarfoz | leethal: yes, delete |
| 21:25.07 | leethal | woot |
| 21:25.10 | leethal | liek why 4? |
| 21:25.12 | haste | p3lim: yes, what else would it do? :p |
| 21:25.29 | p3lim | hehe, could this be used only on healthbar? or on powerbar too? |
| 21:25.43 | Gnarfoz | leethal: because they'll suffer the same fate stage6 did, just worse because stage6 had huge financial backing. their traffic costs will eat them. |
| 21:25.44 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: "...if you think oranges are awesome because they prevent scurvy and *fault* apples because of it..." <-- you're faulting apples because they do not prevent scurvy |
| 21:25.52 | leethal | "Vimeo bans video game clips for lack of 'creative expression'" hmz |
| 21:25.53 | haste | health only, no-one said anything about power when I asked |
| 21:25.56 | Xuerian | p3lim: Look at elements/health.lua |
| 21:26.10 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.13 | p3lim | is that something you could add though? |
| 21:26.21 | leethal | Gnarfoz: ah, so gaming content would bump their traffic too much, ya. |
| 21:26.32 | Xuerian | It's really easy to color by tapped yourself |
| 21:26.45 | p3lim | Yeah but im just wondering :) |
| 21:27.04 | Gnarfoz | yeah. full length dvd rips etc are pretty obvious, but gaming videos were fine before - they prolly sorted their statistics by tags vs. traffic |
| 21:27.07 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:27.08 | haste | p3lim: totally depends on what people ask for |
| 21:27.24 | haste | p3lim: I haven't set any ETA on 1.1 regardless |
| 21:27.39 | p3lim | yeah I saw that |
| 21:28.22 | haste | also, take porting stuff on the forum :) |
| 21:28.29 | haste | that way I don't have to answer 30 times |
| 21:28.50 | p3lim | ait |
| 21:29.28 | Xuerian | srsly, someone needs to compile oUF how-to-quickies |
| 21:29.46 | Xuerian | There's a lot in the thread, but it's like digging through a pile of ... well.. posts. |
| 21:29.55 | haste | sounds like you should do it :p |
| 21:30.13 | Xuerian | That was one of those "Someone should save the environment today" 'should's |
| 21:30.24 | AckisWork | s/someone/Xuerian/ |
| 21:30.31 | Xuerian | goto -1 |
| 21:30.37 | haste | honestly, only reason I write stuff as the 1.0 -> 1.1 "guide" is that it gives me less questions |
| 21:31.22 | Xuerian | Which is the reason most docs get written, no? :P |
| 21:31.39 | haste | don't think so :p |
| 21:31.58 | Xuerian | You're a programmer, not much different from any of the other ones :P |
| 21:32.47 | Gnarfoz | ~virtues |
| 21:32.55 | Gnarfoz | ~laziness |
| 21:32.56 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 21:33.08 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 21:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: replied ;) |
| 21:34.14 | haste | Xuerian: I know of that one :p |
| 21:35.02 | Xuerian | "and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it", sounds a awful lot like you XD |
| 21:35.24 | haste | :D |
| 21:35.42 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, i am lazy and want someone else to do it for me |
| 21:35.42 | haste | I managed to avoid it for over a year, so I'm rather pleased |
| 21:35.46 | Xuerian | Me, I just write them cause I'm lonely. And by docs, I mean comments. And by comments, I mean a few here and there. By a few here and there, I mean when I barely understand it. |
| 21:36.04 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, thats the only reason i docment anything. (well, that and so i can act self-righteous and indignant when i get the questions anyway) |
| 21:36.11 | Drundia | remind me what were other two great virtues of a programmer? |
| 21:36.20 | Xuerian | ~programmer |
| 21:36.21 | purl | i heard programmer is root of all evil in Linux |
| 21:36.25 | Xuerian | bmerjlaskdjrw3. |
| 21:36.30 | Xuerian | ~hubris |
| 21:36.31 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 21:37.07 | Xuerian | ~impatience |
| 21:37.08 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 21:37.22 | haste | :D |
| 21:37.31 | haste | I hate how correct those are |
| 21:37.52 | Xuerian | Autodoc: when B and C make a bastard child of A |
| 21:39.39 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 21:39.42 | Gnarfoz | so true |
| 21:40.50 | leethal | it's not like it's possible to get the World's Largest Mudfish from Nagran, though. |
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| 21:45.04 | leethal | so, libdatabroker lets you tell the system that you have a minimap button, but that won't display until the user installs the ShowAMinimapButtonWillYouPlz addon? |
| 21:45.15 | leethal | "Users who do not wish to be âplaguedâ by these buttons simply do not install an addon to render them." |
| 21:45.38 | Neo|Other | leethal: it is an icon + status text, plus actions (click, tooltip etc) |
| 21:45.39 | Xuerian | leethal: The genius ideas in the veteran author communities cannot be understood by the likes of you |
| 21:45.45 | Xuerian | ...or me. |
| 21:45.47 | leethal | I totally agree on this concept, I hate addons that takes over my UI. Most users won't ever bother having to install dependencies, though, will they? |
| 21:45.49 | Xuerian | or most anyone. |
| 21:46.22 | Neo|Other | and the primary use isn't to make a minimap button (but there is a "minimap button" displayer for it) |
| 21:46.51 | leethal | but in order to get this minimap button, the user would have to display the addon that renders the libdatabroker using addons as minimap buttons? |
| 21:47.05 | Neo|Other | don't be hung up on "minimap buttons" |
| 21:47.23 | Neo|Other | user would have to have an addon that renders LDB providers somehow |
| 21:47.23 | leethal | I'm not, just a random pick |
| 21:47.46 | Neo|Other | like ButtonBin, StatBlockCore, Fortress, Barrel (minimap button creator) etc |
| 21:48.14 | leethal | hm, we got interface options => addons, though |
| 21:48.23 | leethal | but I guess this is for more than configuration displays |
| 21:48.36 | Neo|Other | sure |
| 21:48.39 | Neo|Other | it's not needed |
| 21:48.52 | Neo|Other | but I like having a little button to click on to get there faster |
| 21:49.08 | Neo|Other | and in this case the idea is not to "go to config ui" but to display the "ready status" |
| 21:49.33 | Neo|Other | so you can quickly glance on the display to see if you got the reagents you want etc |
| 21:50.35 | Arrowmaster | LDB has 2 forms, the launcher and non launcher types |
| 21:51.14 | Arrowmaster | LDB launchers are like the plauge of FuBar plugins that do nothing but give you a button to click and config something, all of which are useless fluff |
| 21:51.45 | Arrowmaster | LDB non launchers are like real FuBar plugins or Titan plugins that give you real constantly updating info |
| 21:52.19 | NightHawkTheSane | addons just need to start using interface options for their config, so we dont need pointless option launchers |
| 21:53.19 | leethal | yeah, would be nice if users got used to checking the interface options |
| 21:53.28 | leethal | so that one could assume that adding a panel there was enough for users to find yer addon |
| 21:53.30 | Neo|Other | launchers is fine |
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| 21:53.50 | Neo|Other | theer's nothing wrong with them esp since they often provide a bit extra info |
| 21:53.55 | Neo|Other | or functionality |
| 21:54.02 | Neo|Other | like unlock the frame as well |
| 21:54.09 | Neo|Other | and if you don't want them, don't display them |
| 21:54.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Neo|Other: well, if it's providing information, or functionality, that's different. |
| 21:54.14 | Kirov | At least you can choose to disable fubar plugins w/o /reload |
| 21:54.19 | Neo|Other | also I much prefer to click one button to open the config UI |
| 21:54.36 | p3lim | thanks haste |
| 21:54.38 | Neo|Other | than opening menu, clicking interface options, selecting addons and trying to find it in the list |
| 21:54.41 | Arrowmaster | only for things that you might change the config of often |
| 21:54.51 | Neo|Other | 3 clicks, scroll, 1 click vs 1 click |
| 21:55.06 | Neo|Other | the thing with LDB is.. it's up to the user! |
| 21:55.11 | Arrowmaster | lots of things have fubar config plugins that you normally configure then never touch again |
| 21:55.12 | Neo|Other | fubar is more "forced" up theer |
| 21:55.32 | Kirov | I personally dislike most Ace addons' penchant for dewdrop only config. |
| 21:55.40 | Neo|Other | just run ButtonBin and put all such "useless" launcher in a thing you hide except on mouseover |
| 21:55.46 | Neo|Other | for example |
| 21:55.48 | Kirov | Some people like it. |
| 21:55.50 | Neo|Other | or just disable them |
| 21:55.58 | Gnarfoz | it's not "dewdrop" it's "ace option tables" if it's got dewdrop, it could as well have slash commands |
| 21:56.01 | Neo|Other | Kirov: Niagara ftw |
| 21:56.01 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 21:56.05 | Gnarfoz | or waterfall/niagara |
| 21:56.13 | Kirov | aye |
| 21:56.14 | Arrowmaster | no there is a difference |
| 21:56.15 | leethal | imo addons like ora needs to die as well. It sucks when addons alerts to public channels, such as raidchat etc. |
| 21:56.16 | Kirov | all of those |
| 21:56.18 | p3lim | haste: line 33 in power.lua, copy+paste typo |
| 21:56.28 | leethal | (while we're at being obtrusive-ish or letting the user find it if it knows where to look) |
| 21:56.29 | Gnarfoz | leethal: erm, ora doesn't do that. |
| 21:56.30 | Arrowmaster | leethal: huh? |
| 21:56.33 | Neo|Other | leethal: ... |
| 21:56.36 | Gnarfoz | leethal: rather kill DBM, while you're at it :P |
| 21:56.41 | leethal | kek! |
| 21:56.46 | leethal | s/ora/dbm, sorry. |
| 21:56.48 | Kirov | It's nice to have some commonly used options in the fubar plugin, but I really don't want to even see most of them. |
| 21:57.22 | haste | p3lim: pushed |
| 21:57.23 | Neo|Other | summing it up, fubar often had lots of crap but with LDB it's fine to have it |
| 21:57.27 | Kirov | leethal - ora2 good! DBM, goodish. |
| 21:57.29 | Neo|Other | since it's completely up to you to hide it |
| 21:57.51 | Neo|Other | are we like comparing oRA2 with DBM for some weird reason? :P |
| 21:57.54 | leethal | Kirov: well, I'd prefer if people could choose to see the warnings/alert themselves |
| 21:57.57 | leethal | Neo|Other: typo it was |
| 21:58.00 | Arrowmaster | Kirov: DBM bad! |
| 21:58.04 | Neo|Other | it's like... comparing apples to oranges to scurvy! |
| 21:58.11 | haste | p3lim: you have about ~10min to find anything else before I go to bed |
| 21:58.16 | leethal | Kirov: sucks to be spammed in chat frame and raid warning and from the dbm you have installed yourself at the same time |
| 21:58.16 | Neo|Other | leethal: they.. can? |
| 21:58.20 | Kirov | leethal - I wish people would actually @#%! download the damn boss mod themselves. |
| 21:58.21 | p3lim | ait |
| 21:58.33 | Xuerian | qft, Kirov |
| 21:58.34 | Neo|Other | leethal: get bigwigs adn turn on bossblock if you so prefer |
| 21:58.43 | Neo|Other | if you don't install the bossmod, it's your own damn fault :P |
| 21:58.45 | Kirov | leethal - I use bigwigs, I don't see it. :) |
| 21:58.51 | leethal | kek, addons blocking other addons, ain't that cute |
| 21:59.16 | p3lim | haste: line 36 and 38 |
| 21:59.17 | Kirov | I actually have my own boss-mod like addons that only have one purpose. |
| 21:59.18 | Arrowmaster | i found some old screenshots of what caused BossBlock to be created in the first place |
| 21:59.33 | Kirov | Whisper spam people because they're too dumb to do it. |
| 21:59.44 | leethal | >< |
| 21:59.47 | Arrowmaster | AQ plague |
| 21:59.55 | Arrowmaster | and getting 20 whispers |
| 22:00.03 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - ah, fun stuff. |
| 22:00.11 | Arrowmaster | because 'somebody' left it defaulted to on instead of off |
| 22:00.12 | leethal | needed: a raiding whine addon for peeps that knows how to play |
| 22:00.18 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - I wrote a fun addon for that. It kicked people out of the raid when they got it. :) |
| 22:00.20 | p3lim | copy paste fails :( |
| 22:01.41 | Kirov | Basically, the plague didn't hurt people who weren't in the same group, so if you kicked the person from the raid, they wouldn't kill everyone. |
| 22:01.42 | p3lim | that was it i think |
| 22:02.06 | Kirov | It would reinvite them once they got far enough away / plague wore out / they died |
| 22:03.40 | haste | damn it, this is what happens when I do stuff while almost a sleep |
| 22:03.46 | Gnarfoz | <leethal> kek, addons blocking other addons, ain't that cute <-- too bad it's necessary because DBM can't be shut up :( it even spams DBM users with it's own messages (i.e. everything is always broadcast/synced) :X |
| 22:03.55 | leethal | =/ |
| 22:04.27 | leethal | it's odd when there's popular addons that totally ignores all the best practices for UI coding there is |
| 22:04.45 | Kirov | leethal - not really |
| 22:04.56 | p3lim | Health|Power.colorX stacks? as in you can have multiple (except the smooth one) applied at once? |
| 22:04.57 | adam_sc | ^^ |
| 22:05.00 | leethal | hmm true that, guess not, cause it still happens =P |
| 22:05.01 | adam_sc | ^^ |
| 22:05.08 | adam_sc | wc |
| 22:05.21 | Xuerian | p3lim: again, read health.lua.. it's done in a certain order in if/elseif's |
| 22:05.41 | Kirov | All the stuff that DBM does is beneficial for the person using it. |
| 22:05.49 | Kirov | It's only annoying for other people. |
| 22:05.51 | haste | p3lim: pushed |
| 22:05.56 | leethal | can has switch statements in lua?!! plox. |
| 22:05.59 | p3lim | gnite haste :) |
| 22:06.00 | haste | p3lim: it's one single if, take a guess :p |
| 22:06.12 | haste | not leaving yet :p |
| 22:06.16 | cog|work | lern2 if elseif elseif elseif elseif ... imo |
| 22:06.21 | Gnarfoz | Kirov: how is spamming raid warnings at all helpful to the person using it? |
| 22:06.50 | Kirov | Gnarfoz - it's not, but the user doesn't see it. |
| 22:06.56 | Gnarfoz | he does indeed |
| 22:06.59 | leethal | elseif = indicator of srsly-you-gotta-refactor |
| 22:07.19 | cog|work | actually, tables function well as a switch statement |
| 22:07.21 | Gnarfoz | it's quite simple imho... at everything both BW and DBM do, BW is better, and whatever DBM does on top of that, I quite certainly have never missed in BW :D |
| 22:07.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i fail to see how elseif chains strictly mean your code needs refactoring.. |
| 22:07.52 | cog|work | but switch compares a value with a number of constants. if clauses allow you to use actual comparisons |
| 22:08.15 | Xuerian | cog|work: switch(true) ftw >_> |
| 22:08.54 | Shirik | cog|work: Actually, tables are almost identical to a switch statement in implementation |
| 22:09.02 | Shirik | since switch statements are simply implemented as jump vectors |
| 22:09.15 | cog|work | yep |
| 22:09.28 | alestane | switch statements actually work fairly well in ANSI C as a substitute for exception handling/ |
| 22:09.33 | Arrowmaster | a little metatable magic and you can even have wildcards! |
| 22:09.44 | Neo|Other | is there any addon that allows you to save/load action bar "sets"? |
| 22:09.51 | Neo|Other | like closetgnome for action bars |
| 22:10.05 | cog|work | SimpleActionSets |
| 22:10.06 | leethal | yeah |
| 22:10.15 | Shirik | only thing you don't really have with tables is fallthrough logic |
| 22:10.19 | Shirik | but that can be done |
| 22:10.20 | leethal | the slash command is /abs =P |
| 22:10.23 | Kirov | woot, my 2 1/2 year old mod continues! |
| 22:10.25 | leethal | don't remember what the addon itself is called |
| 22:10.29 | leethal | action bar saver, probably |
| 22:10.56 | p3lim | the icons.showType, thats only for WotLK? |
| 22:11.17 | Neo|Other | Err. SAS seems to be "outdated" - does it actually work? |
| 22:11.24 | Neo|Other | no updates (on wowi) since april 2007 |
| 22:11.37 | Shirik | hmm |
| 22:11.38 | Shirik | actually |
| 22:11.44 | Kirov | Neo|Other - there's a nagging tooltip bug I haven't bothered to track down, but it works fine. |
| 22:11.46 | Kirov | I still use it. |
| 22:11.50 | Kirov | (I wrote it) |
| 22:11.54 | Shirik | You should be able to match the switch(value) { cases } logic |
| 22:11.57 | Shirik | s/logic/syntax/ |
| 22:12.10 | Neo|Other | aha |
| 22:12.15 | Neo|Other | cool |
| 22:12.26 | Shirik | it probably wouldn't be worth it |
| 22:12.27 | Shirik | but it's possible |
| 22:12.28 | Kirov | If you find anything really broken with it, let me know. |
| 22:12.40 | Neo|Other | add LDB support |
| 22:12.43 | Kirov | Someday I'll rewrite SAS to not suck |
| 22:12.46 | Neo|Other | and then you can update it on wowi :P |
| 22:13.41 | Kirov | When I first wrote SAS it was close to 20k lines of code. |
| 22:13.46 | Kirov | Now it's like 500 |
| 22:14.01 | Kirov | yay for slouken |
| 22:14.15 | Neo|Other | is the wowi version the up to date one? |
| 22:14.30 | Kirov | As up to date as any other. |
| 22:14.51 | Kirov | You'll have to check load out of date, but it does work. |
| 22:14.53 | Xuerian | Kirov: "Simple" "20k" |
| 22:15.03 | Kirov | Xuerian - :P |
| 22:15.16 | End | wine is weird |
| 22:15.19 | cog|work | Neo|Other: all "outdated" means is if it doesn't work look for an update. You should never avoid trying an addon just because it says outdated |
| 22:15.21 | Neo|Other | Kirov: it's like 2.2k lines ;-) |
| 22:15.31 | Kirov | Xuerian - I'll admit, SAS is probably the worst addon to be called "Simple" of my addons. |
| 22:15.36 | Xuerian | lol |
| 22:15.38 | End | the WoW downloader things my address is 127.12.34.56 |
| 22:15.41 | End | thinks* |
| 22:16.02 | Kirov | even SimpleTranqShot with it's thousand + lines of code is more "simple" |
| 22:16.06 | Neo|Other | cog|work: fair enough. Still adding an LDB plugin would be a worthy update by itself :P |
| 22:16.22 | Neo|Other | although that is easily done in an external addon too |
| 22:16.32 | Kirov | The only two addons of mine that truly fit with the name are SimpleMountEquip and SimpleMouseoverTarget |
| 22:17.12 | Pneumatus | SimpleUnitFrames are pretty simple |
| 22:17.20 | Pneumatus | granted, they technically aren't unit frames at all |
| 22:17.24 | Pneumatus | just overlays |
| 22:17.29 | Kirov | it's also not my addon |
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| 22:18.11 | Thrae | I'm working on a new UF called RidiculouslyComplexUnitFrames right now. |
| 22:18.18 | Kirov | I actually started writing an addon called SimpleMinimap just before simpleMinimap came out, I'd almost finished mine, but meh .. his worked just as well and it meant I didn't have to keep mine up to date. |
| 22:18.19 | Pneumatus | oh, mine as in "i wrote", as opposed to mine as in "i use" |
| 22:18.53 | Neo|Other | Kirov: so always weary of things that do things on inventory/bag updates since those seem almos constant. what does it do with those? :P |
| 22:19.33 | Pneumatus | Thrae: sounds like a synonym for Pitbull ;) |
| 22:19.38 | Cide | Kirov: you should make a raid version of the health balls... but make it so that 'displayed area' / total area = health / total health |
| 22:19.43 | Kirov | Neo|Other - a minor feature, shouldn't actually "do" anything most of the time. |
| 22:19.45 | Cide | that would be hilarious |
| 22:20.23 | Kirov | Neo|Other - basically, if you apply a set that has an item that you no longer have, it'll watch for it to exist. |
| 22:20.37 | Neo|Other | I see |
| 22:20.47 | Kirov | Neo|Other - once it does, it'll put it on our action bar. If you do _anything_ to that action id it'll stop looking. |
| 22:20.59 | Shirik | squash is a sport? |
| 22:21.11 | NightHawkTheSane | also a vegetable. |
| 22:21.20 | Shirik | I knew of the vegetable |
| 22:21.33 | Pneumatus | like tennis but with a brick wall instead of a net |
| 22:21.35 | NightHawkTheSane | squash is like raquetball i think |
| 22:21.43 | NightHawkTheSane | although i spelled that wrong |
| 22:21.47 | Kirov | Shirik - tennis + handball |
| 22:21.49 | Shirik | this "squash" was among the sports nominated to replace baseball/softball at the 2012 olympics |
| 22:22.15 | Kirov | the ball used in squash is about the same size as a tennis ball, except it's solid rubber. |
| 22:22.22 | Industrial | is kickboxing in yet? |
| 22:22.31 | Industrial | if not, I dont care about the olympics |
| 22:22.32 | Pneumatus | nah, squash balls are smaller than tennis balls, more like the size of golf balls |
| 22:22.34 | Pneumatus | and nearly as hard |
| 22:22.42 | Kirov | People break their limbs often in squash ... from the ball hitting them. |
| 22:22.48 | Shirik | no Industrial, but karate was another nomination |
| 22:22.55 | Industrial | oh so you hit the other guy with it? |
| 22:22.58 | Neo|Other | well I'll check it out |
| 22:23.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: not.. intentionally |
| 22:23.14 | Neo|Other | I have a slew of macros for muru (two sets, depending on if I'm sentinel or door duty) |
| 22:23.16 | Industrial | Shirik: yes, but probably only touch contact |
| 22:23.27 | Neo|Other | one set for twins, and then <typically> one for everything else |
| 22:23.28 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: wheres the fun? |
| 22:23.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: "accidentally" doing it. ;) |
| 22:23.44 | Pneumatus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squash_(sport) |
| 22:23.55 | Industrial | (I know squash :P) |
| 22:24.04 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: pwn people via the wall ftw |
| 22:25.05 | kamdis | I <3 squash |
| 22:25.11 | kamdis | one of my all time favorite sports |
| 22:25.13 | kamdis | :) |
| 22:25.23 | Industrial | Shirik: but it's a step forward (to recognizing skill can be expressed in effectiveness) >:P |
| 22:25.36 | Kirov | Neo|Other - this will help you do that. You can set it to only replace specific buttons or clear out specific buttons / bars as well. |
| 22:26.08 | Kirov | I need to update it to use spell ids though |
| 22:27.02 | Neo|Other | what does it use now? |
| 22:27.15 | Kirov | Spell name / rank |
| 22:27.31 | Neo|Other | ah |
| 22:27.41 | Neo|Other | so yeah that'd ought to be fixed :P |
| 22:27.44 | Kirov | Doesn't matter too much, since you still need to iterate over your spell book to pick them up. |
| 22:28.04 | Industrial | So I'm preparing to getting my mac by just looking for cool software (like textmate (I am now a vim-drone)) |
| 22:28.04 | Kirov | mainly just minor memory saving |
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| 22:28.30 | Industrial | I shouldnt leave these vids on my desktop named latex_something.mov :P |
| 22:28.37 | Neo|Other | lol |
| 22:29.07 | Industrial | they are just screencasts but what do random people (eg my dad?) know right? |
| 22:29.13 | Pneumatus | latex renders to mov? i thought it only went to postscript/pdf :P |
| 22:29.25 | Industrial | no, its about latex with textmate :p |
| 22:29.35 | Industrial | http://macromates.com/screencast/latex_part_1.mov |
| 22:29.37 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. latex with mate.. |
| 22:30.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i really wish i could get used to textmate.. |
| 22:30.27 | Neo|Other | I use xemacs on the mac |
| 22:30.36 | Shirik | I'm sorryt |
| 22:30.37 | Industrial | vim prevails! |
| 22:30.39 | Neo|Other | seem to ahve issues with quartzwm though :-/ |
| 22:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i've used bbedit since forever. |
| 22:30.41 | Shirik | s/sorryt/sorry |
| 22:30.42 | Kirov | "Blizzard·Spell_Frost_IceStorm·7·" - spell example (SAS saves icon names, a throw back to pre GetItemInfo and GetSpellInfo) |
| 22:30.42 | Kirov | "Icon of the Silver Crescent·INV_Weapon_ShortBlade_23··29370·" - item example |
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| 22:31.02 | Neo|Other | Kirov: that's a lot of extra memory used for saving crud :P |
| 22:31.24 | Kirov | Neo|Other - worse than it should be, yes, but not as bad as it could be. |
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| 22:31.45 | cbreak | TexShop is quite good |
| 22:31.52 | Neo|Other | it's just not "clean". not really an issue |
| 22:31.59 | Neo|Other | since saving/loading isn't something you do all the time |
| 22:32.06 | Neo|Other | and a bit of memory isn't too bad |
| 22:32.15 | Neo|Other | unless you always save all action buttons |
| 22:32.40 | Kirov | On logout I save anything that has something in them. |
| 22:32.47 | Pneumatus | i even have a LaTeX book, which i think i read once and have never even bothered looking at for referenec again |
| 22:33.21 | Kirov | You can force saving of empty buttons to make them "clear" on save. |
| 22:34.37 | Arrowmaster | so running 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' over ssh is apparently a bad idea |
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| 22:34.59 | Neo|Other | Arrowmaster: it works.. if the "start" worked? |
| 22:35.36 | Arrowmaster | i think it died when the if went down |
| 22:35.57 | Neo|Other | it shouldn't .. although running it in the background would be safer |
| 22:36.27 | Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765585510&sid=1 <-- blatant gold farmer goes unpunished |
| 22:36.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah it died badly |
| 22:38.11 | Arrowmaster | i have a '/bin/login --' stuck open in my ps output so im guessing thats the sudo stuck open |
| 22:38.51 | adam_sc | @Thrae I see gold farmers all the time, ginrding for resist gear and whatnot. I just report em and well, nothing gets done ;[ |
| 22:39.04 | Matrix110| | god you all fail |
| 22:39.08 | Matrix110| | seriously |
| 22:39.16 | Thrae | adam_sc: Did you actually read the post? |
| 22:40.01 | adam_sc | @thrae Yeah, I get the joke ;] |
| 22:43.22 | Drundia | gold farmers sometimes go offline and never go online again |
| 22:44.14 | Kirov | Thrae - I would gander that gold farmer is probably the most reported on ever. |
| 22:44.43 | adam_sc | ^^ |
| 22:48.10 | KarlKFI | too bad that name's illegal too |
| 22:48.34 | KarlKFI | besides not even being possible |
| 22:48.42 | KarlKFI | since it has a capitol int he middle |
| 22:49.12 | Kirov | On my old server there was someone running around named after some famous singer. People flagged the name all the time, but last I saw they were still using that name. |
| 22:49.24 | Kirov | Best we can guess, that player really is that person. |
| 22:49.34 | Kirov | (or someone with the same name) |
| 22:49.47 | Kirov | It was some American Idol chick |
| 22:50.55 | KarlKFI | lol on the last full page: Phelps > Chuck Norris |
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| 22:51.51 | adam_sc | <3 Chuck Norris |
| 22:52.07 | Industrial | I dont like the olympics |
| 22:52.28 | Industrial | people go and "make their countries proud" |
| 22:52.57 | Industrial | bleh, makes me want to puke :p |
| 22:53.23 | [dRaCo] | do it, it'll make your country proud! |
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| 22:54.04 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. |
| 22:54.16 | KarlKFI | why's that ind? no national pride? |
| 22:54.34 | Thrae | http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy/arena.htm <-- hmmm, that design looks familar |
| 22:54.41 | Industrial | KarlKFI: none |
| 22:55.27 | KarlKFI | maybe you should do some time in the army. they'll give you some. |
| 22:55.36 | cog|work | national pride is stupid |
| 22:55.40 | Industrial | ^ |
| 22:55.43 | cog|work | be proud of what people do |
| 22:55.46 | Industrial | ^ |
| 22:55.49 | cog|work | not what country you happen to live in |
| 22:56.26 | Industrial | and enforcing your rules because you think they are better not even in the name of a god (which is worse, yes) is also retarded. |
| 22:56.29 | Industrial | *cough* |
| 22:56.31 | Industrial | iraq |
| 22:56.33 | Industrial | *cough* |
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| 22:57.36 | KarlKFI | ok, you just brought iraq into a discussion abotu olympics. you win @ political. now can you shush so we can continue enjoying ourselves? |
| 22:58.03 | Industrial | :D I win |
| 22:58.24 | KarlKFI | of ind, anyway |
| 22:59.06 | KarlKFI | way to be a killjoy, jeeze |
| 22:59.29 | Industrial | hey im not saying the athletes are doing something bad, just lose the stupid uniform :p |
| 23:00.14 | Lopeppeppy | We can get into debates as to the sound psychological theories behind uniforms and team identity and what not. |
| 23:00.25 | Lopeppeppy | But personally, I just prefer to watch their butts in those tight shorts. :) |
| 23:00.30 | [dRaCo] | you couldn't make any jokes about michael phelps being like the 8th best nations then, though |
| 23:00.38 | [dRaCo] | s/nations/nation/ |
| 23:01.09 | KarlKFI | the whole point is so that you get the best of each country to compete to bring together the countries to do something together. |
| 23:01.15 | Industrial | it doesnt have funny value to me either way |
| 23:01.26 | Industrial | the point is you get the best, where they come from shouldn't matter |
| 23:01.39 | KarlKFI | no, that' snot the point of the olympics |
| 23:02.09 | Industrial | so by letting people compete representing their country the country wins, what? |
| 23:02.42 | Codayus | Pride. Esteem. Image. |
| 23:02.42 | Industrial | pride! yes! full circle. |
| 23:02.44 | KarlKFI | a chance to be a part of somehting bigger than just their country |
| 23:03.04 | cog|work | international business does far more to bring countries together than the olympics could ever hope... |
| 23:03.05 | Lopeppeppy | Tight shorts. |
| 23:03.23 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: you can have not-country-marked tight shorts |
| 23:03.32 | schnoggo | I have pride in BBEdit! :p |
| 23:04.02 | Lopeppeppy | Industrial, why does it matter if they are marked or not? You want them marked, you want them not-marked... who cares? Ripped abs are ripped abs, love. |
| 23:04.27 | cog|work | though local pride (whether the locality is your country in the olympics, your school in a sports league, etc.) is human nature |
| 23:04.57 | cog|work | we're programmed to be biased in favor of things closer to us |
| 23:05.05 | Industrial | Cause we are being so underdeveloped, dividing ourselfs and then claiming one is better then the other :( we can do better then that, right? |
| 23:05.10 | cog|work | hence, Industrial isn't human |
| 23:05.11 | Thrae | cog|work: What's wrong with the world taking part in a millenia-old tradition in brining nations closer together? The only other one is war. |
| 23:05.12 | cog|work | QED |
| 23:05.25 | cog|work | Thrae: nothing? |
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| 23:05.55 | KarlKFI | ind doesn't 'like' it |
| 23:06.11 | cog|work | don't think i implied otherwise... |
| 23:06.18 | KarlKFI | ind can rot in a pit of lonely dispair imo |
| 23:06.39 | Thrae | Let's not all follow the reasoning of Big Industrial. |
| 23:06.59 | Industrial | im still cursing my neighbours for daring to attach an orange flag thingy to the side of the house I live in. |
| 23:06.59 | adam_sc | @thrae so you think the Olympics are equal to wars? |
| 23:07.03 | NightHawkTheSane | does anyone ever actually follow indy's reasoning? ;) |
| 23:07.20 | Thrae | adam_sc: In bringing nations together? No, wars are better. But it's close. |
| 23:07.30 | Industrial | during the soccer cup/championships/whatever |
| 23:07.50 | adam_sc | @thrae haha |
| 23:07.51 | Thrae | adam_sc: The Olympics have always been about nations showing off their power to each other. |
| 23:07.56 | Industrial | ^ |
| 23:08.18 | adam_sc | @thrae the same thing with wars, just lives are involved |
| 23:08.35 | Thrae | Oh, lives are involved in the Olympics too |
| 23:08.42 | adam_sc | ... |
| 23:08.48 | Thrae | What do you think happens to those little Chinese girls that don't win the gold? |
| 23:09.00 | Industrial | we ut money in you, didnt dont bring back medals, here's your pickaxe, etc. |
| 23:09.10 | Industrial | we put, you didn't* |
| 23:09.11 | [dRaCo] | do you think it's dog you're eating? |
| 23:09.12 | Industrial | :S |
| 23:09.31 | adam_sc | =D |
| 23:09.58 | Drundia | Thrae, i thought that was what army is for.... like russia is showing georgia its power |
| 23:10.20 | Lopeppeppy | In Communist China discussions about national pride eat you. |
| 23:10.23 | Industrial | Drundia: and like, america invading other countries, again! :D |
| 23:10.40 | adam_sc | @Drundia like that old board game, Diplomacy |
| 23:10.47 | Drundia | america is invading other countries all the time, everyone already knows its power |
| 23:11.23 | Thrae | Drundia: I think in Russia's case, they want to walk away with a LOT more gold |
| 23:11.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Drundia: the olympics yet another way for superpowers to prove their better than other superpowers without actually going through the hassle of invading them |
| 23:11.37 | NightHawkTheSane | s/their/they're/ |
| 23:11.42 | Industrial | refer to earlier statement about pathetic behaviour and the olympics being an extension of that. However I applaud the _individual_ athletes for what they do. |
| 23:12.14 | [dRaCo] | which is better than them actually attacking each other, isnt it? |
| 23:12.20 | Industrial | even if they do it out of pride for their nation. |
| 23:12.37 | NightHawkTheSane | [dRaCo]: only practically, morally it's about the same |
| 23:13.03 | Industrial | my work here is done :P |
| 23:13.09 | Thrae | Industrial: The Olympics are like a mock World War, as it eases the similar tensions a World War does. For the next few hundred years, something like this is probably going to continue to be necessary. The alternative is far worse. |
| 23:13.24 | [dRaCo] | be that as it may, people not dying is usually better than people dying for things like that. |
| 23:13.41 | Drundia | olympics are always biased towards country it's held in |
| 23:13.45 | Thrae | OK, maybe not a few hundred years |
| 23:13.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm certainly not arguing that point [dRaCo] :) |
| 23:13.58 | Thrae | More like one hundred years, when the Robot Wars start |
| 23:14.05 | Industrial | eheh |
| 23:14.05 | adam_sc | @Dundria :S |
| 23:14.16 | Thrae | Japan will WTFPWN us with their Mechas and rule over the USA |
| 23:14.28 | Thrae | Since the US's Mechas will still use Gasoline |
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| 23:14.41 | adam_sc | nice philosophy |
| 23:15.03 | Industrial | Thrae: imho humanity can come crawl out of its little cave and admit it's being (mostly morally) childish, <insert more QQ>, I'm going to watch more stargate :P |
| 23:15.22 | Thrae | Industrial: I'm downloading Continuum 1080P right now ;) |
| 23:16.01 | Thrae | Mmmm, Blu-ray Stargate |
| 23:16.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: yeah, but hummer will still sell a bunch of them. >< |
| 23:16.03 | Industrial | me too! now... |
| 23:16.11 | Industrial | oh wait, blue ray, not me! |
| 23:16.16 | Industrial | :p |
| 23:16.46 | Thrae | Industrial: That would be 1080P, or in 1920x1080 resolution |
| 23:18.01 | Industrial | yeah ill need 720p |
| 23:18.27 | NightHawkTheSane | is continuum out already? >.> |
| 23:18.34 | Lunessa | Holy hell.... I can FINALLY leave. |
| 23:18.44 | Lunessa | I'm out. I'll see you all later. |
| 23:18.47 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug lunessa |
| 23:18.48 | purl | ACTION hugs lunessa |
| 23:18.56 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: Not for sale, but you can pre-order it then torrent it like a lot of people have |
| 23:19.13 | NightHawkTheSane | hmmm |
| 23:19.24 | Industrial | or just torrent it :p |
| 23:19.47 | Industrial | Thrae: I had never watched SG1, I'm watching it all now in the last weeks. I'm at s07e15 now |
| 23:19.55 | Industrial | ive seen all of atlantis so far tho |
| 23:20.12 | Thrae | Industrial: You watched 6 seasons of Stargate in one week? |
| 23:20.29 | Industrial | in 2.5-3 weeks |
| 23:20.31 | adam_sc | @NightHawkTheSane btw I got aloft working exactly like that pic |
| 23:20.36 | Thrae | Heh |
| 23:20.38 | NightHawkTheSane | adam_sc: cool :) |
| 23:20.48 | Industrial | holiday =D I love marathons |
| 23:21.03 | Thrae | I wonder how big that torrent is |
| 23:21.13 | Industrial | i downloaded it per season |
| 23:21.20 | Industrial | 7-8gm per season |
| 23:21.27 | Industrial | s/gm/gb/ |
| 23:21.42 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, sg1 is like, one series i -didn't- download. |
| 23:22.02 | adam_sc | @NightHawkTheSane and thank god it uses sharedmedia so I can get the texture the same as mrecount + ag_ug :D |
| 23:22.19 | adam_sc | recount * |
| 23:22.26 | adam_sc | ag_uf ^ |
| 23:22.34 | adam_sc | typos ftl |
| 23:22.49 | Thrae | Industrial: 73.5GB |
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| 23:23.25 | NightHawkTheSane | my stargate folder is 115gb.. |
| 23:23.37 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: That's just SG-1 |
| 23:23.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 23:23.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i should have specified i meant sg1, to be sure |
| 23:23.52 | NightHawkTheSane | but that' |
| 23:24.07 | Industrial | meh I also downloaded the One Piece anime ep 1-300 :P |
| 23:24.16 | NightHawkTheSane | but that's ripped directly from the dvds, with s1-10, ark of truth, and some dvd extras |
| 23:24.20 | Industrial | that was 1 torrent ^^ took me a while' |
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| 23:24.55 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: Bad compression then, since this torrent is a DVDRip too |
| 23:25.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: eh? |
| 23:25.17 | Arrowmaster | or yours is too much compression |
| 23:25.39 | Arrowmaster | mines even larger than all of yours |
| 23:26.00 | NightHawkTheSane | im not precisely sure how you can make a judgement of compression when there's so many details between the two up in the air. :P |
| 23:26.02 | p3lim | Industrial: You dont play much on your shammy these days? |
| 23:26.04 | Arrowmaster | lua> 4.38*50 |
| 23:26.04 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 219 |
| 23:26.10 | Arrowmaster | 219GB |
| 23:26.31 | |Jelly| | nerds |
| 23:26.34 | Arrowmaster | it might be 438GB though, im not sure but i think its only 219GB |
| 23:26.39 | Tem | comon worldserver |
| 23:26.41 | Tem | you can do it |
| 23:26.59 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: maybe, but you like it. |
| 23:27.00 | Thrae | There isn't such a thing as "too much compression" -- today's computers can easily handle 720p in a 300MB package without much loss |
| 23:27.13 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: yes there is |
| 23:27.22 | Industrial | p3lim: why |
| 23:27.27 | Thrae | Not compared to the old days |
| 23:27.30 | |Jelly| | I will admit to going to a couple different stores to find the original Stargate movie however, I've never watched any of the series. |
| 23:27.34 | p3lim | just wondering, havent seen you on lately :p |
| 23:27.48 | Industrial | p3lim: I'm leveling a lock to 70, 52 now |
| 23:27.55 | Industrial | on boulderfist horde |
| 23:27.58 | p3lim | aha |
| 23:28.01 | p3lim | relatives? |
| 23:28.11 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: depending on what kinda filters were run on the video prior to compression it can be |
| 23:28.15 | Industrial | no, my main was there - now back to grim batol |
| 23:28.21 | adam_sc | @industrial I'm leveling a lock and a druid at the same time, the do everything exactly the same |
| 23:28.22 | Industrial | it was the highest alt (40 at the time) i had |
| 23:28.31 | p3lim | ait |
| 23:28.33 | adam_sc | they * |
| 23:28.33 | Industrial | so the next candidate to reach 70 |
| 23:28.36 | Industrial | adam_sc: hax |
| 23:28.48 | p3lim | aint rolling a new char until WotLK (DK on horde) |
| 23:28.54 | adam_sc | horde ftl |
| 23:28.55 | p3lim | love my druid |
| 23:29.05 | Industrial | horde wins imo |
| 23:29.15 | adam_sc | human priest = win |
| 23:29.22 | p3lim | indeed, only reason Im alliance is bc friends |
| 23:29.43 | Thrae | Alright, I found a 110GB Stargate torrent, but it has Atlantis in it too |
| 23:29.46 | Industrial | humans are unbearably jollyjolly, dwarves smell, night elves are gay and im not even considering gnomes. |
| 23:29.54 | Industrial | my only ally char is a female draenei |
| 23:29.56 | Industrial | :P |
| 23:30.05 | Xuerian | Industrial: qft |
| 23:30.20 | Thrae | Night Elves are gay? I guess I follow in Tekkub's footsteps only playing a gay Druid then. |
| 23:30.20 | adam_sc | :O my rogue is a gnome, stick a small noggen buff on em, they pwn in PvP |
| 23:30.23 | p3lim | Industrial: female nelfs? |
| 23:30.34 | Industrial | flappy ears, no :( |
| 23:30.42 | Industrial | (same for blood elves, but they are less flappy) |
| 23:30.49 | p3lim | lol |
| 23:31.11 | Thrae | Industrial: Most people say the same for Female Nelfs, just without using the extra 'l' |
| 23:31.18 | Industrial | tolkien elves are the only real elves for me :> |
| 23:31.48 | Thrae | WoW has those, they're High Elves, but you can't play as one |
| 23:31.57 | p3lim | I dont notice the flappy ears much, probably cause when i play 50% of the time or more im in bear or cat form |
| 23:31.57 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.20 | Fisker- | i'm just kidding, you're a horrible man |
| 23:32.29 | Industrial | hehe |
| 23:32.42 | adam_sc | @p3lim on my druid I spend 90% of my time as cat |
| 23:32.58 | p3lim | adam_sc: because of the flappy ears? :p |
| 23:32.58 | Xuerian | Thrae: Shh, I play a nelf druid too, I just don't mention it |
| 23:33.07 | Thrae | adam_sc, p3lim are obviously furries. |
| 23:33.22 | p3lim | < baer tonk <3 |
| 23:33.36 | Xuerian | < bare tank <3 |
| 23:33.48 | NightHawkTheSane | < all kind of tanks. :\ |
| 23:34.02 | adam_sc | shadow priest > all tanks ;] |
| 23:34.18 | Thrae | Did you read the Feral Druid beta posts? They *say* they're going to make Feral Tanks as viable as a Prot. Warrior, and a Feral DPS as viable as a Rogue's |
| 23:34.26 | p3lim | well sp tends to die alot |
| 23:34.35 | adam_sc | they do not :O |
| 23:34.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought feral tanks were already as viable >.> |
| 23:34.39 | Xuerian | Thrae: That makes me want to do nasty things to myself |
| 23:35.03 | p3lim | Thrae: Yea, giving druids Berserk and the catform charge (wannabe sstep) |
| 23:35.38 | Industrial | what happened to hybrid classes? |
| 23:35.38 | adam_sc | @p3lim if you got the right points in disc they own, imp sp:s, imp Pw:f, mtrymydn |
| 23:35.39 | Thrae | p3lim: I'm talking about their whole design system -- they say they're designing instances so any type of tank will be viable |
| 23:35.54 | p3lim | oh.. even dk? |
| 23:35.56 | Lopeppeppy | That will be nice if they mean it, and pally tanks have more utility. |
| 23:35.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: fundamentally, hybrids don't actually work in wow. :P |
| 23:36.04 | Thrae | p3lim: Right |
| 23:36.06 | adam_sc | aye, dk will tank with weapons |
| 23:36.09 | p3lim | cause last time I checked they were shit against melee |
| 23:36.10 | Hirsute | p3lim: Yes, for the 5 mans |
| 23:36.15 | NightHawkTheSane | adam_sc: .. every tank tank's with a weapon. ;) |
| 23:36.16 | Hirsute | They don't intend that to be true for raids. |
| 23:36.57 | Thrae | Hirsute: Are you talking about tanking? In which case, they specifically mentioned raids. |
| 23:37.02 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: yeah because of high itemization, I find the damage and stat numbers too rediculous already in BC, its getting worse in wotlk. |
| 23:37.05 | adam_sc | @NightHawkTheSane instead of drood tank weps, and shields, eww I hate em |
| 23:37.39 | NightHawkTheSane | adam_sc: just saying, "tanking with a weapon" is kinda inspecific. :P |
| 23:37.41 | Hirsute | Thrae: I must be behind the times, because last I read they said they wanted any tank to be able to tank any 5 man, but they still liked them having their niche's for raids. I definitely could be behind on that. |
| 23:37.47 | adam_sc | @NightHawkTheSane ^^ |
| 23:37.55 | kd3 | so apparently fay /intensified/ over land today |
| 23:38.02 | Lopeppeppy | Lovely |
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| 23:38.07 | Xuerian | Hee hee... |
| 23:38.11 | Thrae | Industrial: If you compare WoW to EQ, all of the classes are "hybrids". |
| 23:38.13 | Xuerian | Windsurfing a tropical storm ftw |
| 23:38.22 | adam_sc | I could never tank, just heal and dps ftw; my lock its fun to drain tank with though :) |
| 23:38.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: they want the niches, yes, but they don't want those niches to be so powerful as to -force- you to have a particular tank for a particular fight |
| 23:38.54 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a difference between "a warrior has a slight advantage against this boss" and "you cannot do this fight without a warrior tanking" |
| 23:39.06 | Thrae | Hirsute: They are trying to make it so you can bring a non-niche'd tank to a niche'd fight, like NightHawkTheSane is talking about |
| 23:39.12 | NightHawkTheSane | the latter is what they are explicitly trying to avoid |
| 23:39.19 | adam_sc | @NightHawkTheSane well SH is a good example |
| 23:39.25 | Hirsute | That makes sense, I had missed that. |
| 23:39.33 | Hirsute | Yes, SH sucked for Warrior tanks. |
| 23:39.43 | adam_sc | @NightHawkTheSane that place is damn near impossible for a war |
| 23:39.52 | Arrowmaster | shattered halls? |
| 23:39.53 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, I've tanked it on a war. :P |
| 23:39.57 | alestane | Although a lot of groups will interpret "a warrior has a slight advantage against this boss" as "you cannot do this fight without a warrior tanking". |
| 23:40.00 | adam_sc | @arrowmaster aye |
| 23:40.08 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: low item value difference means being better depends greatly on skill thus validifying hybrid builds for survival, being a oneshot as a result of every class being able to pump dps like mad is not so fun imo |
| 23:40.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll admit, it's hard, but hardly impossible |
| 23:40.17 | Hirsute | "Welcome to Shattered Halls. On heroic mode, we'll be raping your warrior tank with 8 man pulls and a nasty gauntlet." |
| 23:40.18 | Arrowmaster | ive done SH with a warrior tank many times |
| 23:40.19 | adam_sc | @NightHawkTheSane even on heroic? |
| 23:40.35 | Arrowmaster | i did SH for the trials with a warrior tank |
| 23:40.45 | Hirsute | It's definitely possible. It just sucks. |
| 23:41.01 | NightHawkTheSane | adam_sc: yeah. although I did have very good group members who didn't suck. :P |
| 23:41.13 | adam_sc | @NightHawkTheSane XD |
| 23:41.14 | Thrae | Xuerian, p3lim: However, you can't be both a viable 25-man Feral Tank and a viable Feral DPS. You will need to choose your talents differently, which is why some are complaining...some who don't know respecing talents is even easier in WoTLK. |
| 23:41.16 | kd3 | http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1033&tstamp=200808 |
| 23:41.26 | NightHawkTheSane | and it was, by no means, easy. :) |
| 23:41.36 | Xuerian | Thrae: Always been like that |
| 23:41.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: eh, not to the extent they're pushing it in wrath, though |
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| 23:42.12 | Thrae | Also, you can't have all your PvE and PvP talents too |
| 23:42.14 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: im fine with 1k damage being really high, it keeps things comprehendable :P |
| 23:42.30 | p3lim | Thrae: yeah I read that |
| 23:42.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: meh, damage numbers are arbitrary. :p |
| 23:42.39 | Hirsute | What are the changes to respec'ing in Wrath? |
| 23:42.58 | Thrae | Hirsute: I hear ideas of "templates" you can cheaply switch back and forthe between |
| 23:42.59 | Aiiane | psh.. the people complaining about not being able to spec for all their roles at once and pvp+pve in the same spec need to bugger off :| or try playing a priest |
| 23:43.02 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: not if the difference between "fresh" 70's means at least 5k hp and 1.5k +spelldamage/attackpower |
| 23:43.28 | Hirsute | That would really be nice. |
| 23:43.43 | Industrial | fresh 70's and full twinked out* |
| 23:43.53 | Hirsute | Nothing implemented in the beta like that yet, though, right? |
| 23:43.59 | adam_sc | twink out at 70 /drool |
| 23:44.06 | adam_sc | if you got stacks of cash |
| 23:44.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: not yet that i've seen |
| 23:44.26 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: its literally deserving to die at the hands of someone with better stuff, I'm not really content with that :P |
| 23:44.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: *shrug* it's wow's model of progression. :\ |
| 23:44.55 | Industrial | yeah, I know :| |
| 23:45.26 | Industrial | hope i can keep up this time |
| 23:45.27 | Industrial | :p |
| 23:47.02 | adam_sc | hmm |
| 23:47.18 | adam_sc | warrs are going to be to too easy to leval in wotlk |
| 23:47.46 | Neo|Other | levelign is a means to an end |
| 23:47.52 | Neo|Other | I don't think "too easy" is really an issue |
| 23:48.41 | adam_sc | why not? |
| 23:48.56 | Tem | Industrial, SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH |
| 23:49.03 | Neo|Other | "too easy" is another way to say "fun to play" |
| 23:49.05 | Industrial | Tem: SCREW YOU (why) |
| 23:49.25 | Neo|Other | leveling my paladin in BC (first with crap ass ret gear then as holy) was "not fun". |
| 23:49.37 | Tem | Industrial, just 'cus |
| 23:49.45 | Industrial | not good enough :> |
| 23:49.48 | ajmitch | adam_sc: 'too' easy? how? |
| 23:49.50 | End | Industrial: whore mouth! |
| 23:50.06 | adam_sc | Lemme make a tree on wowhead, then you will see what I mean |
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| 23:51.11 | Tem | adam_sc, warriors have to be easy |
| 23:51.18 | Tem | they're blizzard's favorite class |
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| 23:51.24 | Shirik | Hand of Adal title: Given to anyone completing the quest, or only the ones who did it before attunment was removed? |
| 23:51.43 | Tem | Shirik, anyone completing the quest |
| 23:51.48 | Neo|Other | until wotlk |
| 23:51.52 | Thrae | Tem: More like, "Warriors have to be easy, every race can make one and they're fundementally suppose to be the easiest to play" |
| 23:51.57 | Tem | same goes for Champion of the Naaru |
| 23:52.03 | Tem | Thrae, not true |
| 23:52.11 | Tem | Pallies are supposed to be the easiest to play |
| 23:52.18 | Tem | they were designed for the MMO nub |
| 23:52.28 | Tem | (this info is from Blizzcon 1) |
| 23:52.30 | End | not every race can make a warrior ;-p |
| 23:52.40 | Thrae | Tem, not true |
| 23:52.46 | Thrae | Well, Blizzcon doesn't count |
| 23:52.56 | Thrae | Those PR people don't really know what they are talking about |
| 23:53.41 | NightHawkTheSane | and yet , when those pr people go to designers and developers and say "this is what we sold people, you have to makeit now" >.> |
| 23:54.10 | End | and then the designers and developers say "that doesn't even make any sense!" |
| 23:54.15 | Thrae | Paladins have a bunch of spells they need to worry about along with healing and mana management, while Warriors just go out and hit things that generates power to hit more things harder |
| 23:54.29 | NightHawkTheSane | End: and then, management syas "well, we already sold it, so you have to do it." |
| 23:54.35 | Thrae | "You can't make a Gnome Healer! That's breaking canon!" |
| 23:54.40 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously, fuck sales people |
| 23:54.47 | End | hehe, yea |
| 23:55.05 | Xuerian | Thrae: Anyway, I'll settle for having to deepspec to equal either a rogue or a warrior, but be as good as I am now at the other |
| 23:55.08 | adam_sc | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LhrZVVhhxtoVuMeot - duel wield 2h weapons = too easy |
| 23:55.13 | NightHawkTheSane | did i mention one of our sales guys sold a client on our integration API that's 2 years old and not updated? >< |
| 23:55.34 | bleeter | kd3: did you see the 'news' that the ferdora infrastructure apparently got comprimised and we shouldn't have been applying updates since about Thurs last week? |
| 23:56.04 | End | :o |
| 23:56.19 | End | is that real news? or are you screwed? |
| 23:56.24 | bleeter | they're keeping quiet on dertails, but looks serious |
| 23:56.44 | bleeter | kd3: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/19/fedora_outage/ for infos and links |
| 23:56.49 | kd3 | yah, I saw |
| 23:57.00 | bleeter | I only saw today... I guess I'm screwed :/ |
| 23:57.03 | kd3 | me too |
| 23:57.46 | bleeter | to be honest, though, I'm not aware of any *nix package management that'd inform us if upstream is unreliable, so I doubt we'd have been better off in any other situation |
| 23:57.54 | bleeter | maybe they were signing packages with a dodgy debian ssl cert |
| 23:58.08 | kd3 | lol |
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| 23:59.15 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:59.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually probably the best thing we have to go on, considering all of the RPMs are signed.. |
| 23:59.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Although that's with a GPG key, hmm |
