| 00:00.04 | Esamynn | End: you dirty, dirty haxor |
| 00:00.04 | End | Indeed |
| 00:00.09 | End | I should be taken out back and shot for my crimes. |
| 00:00.18 | End | they're unforgivable! |
| 00:01.03 | Esamynn | ~shoot End |
| 00:01.04 | purl | ACTION shoots End in the head with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 00:01.43 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBj4Ny19vfQ |
| 00:03.31 | Tem|afk | okay, Dath is hillarious |
| 00:06.00 | Sixen | Where? |
| 00:06.06 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023652358&pageNo=1&sid=2000#10 |
| 00:06.35 | Sixen | lawl |
| 00:06.36 | Sixen | <3 Dat |
| 00:11.30 | *** join/#wowuidev rufus (n=rufus@c-98-226-41-174.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:20.11 | Corrodias | is diablo 3 out yet? :( |
| 00:20.41 | sacarasc | yes, it came out last week |
| 00:21.22 | Sixen | Collector's Edition was out 2 weeks ago. |
| 00:29.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Tinyboom (n=nahh@38.84-49-87.nextgentel.com) |
| 00:31.38 | *** join/#wowuidev DARKGuy (n=DARKGuy@201.242.110.88) |
| 00:32.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Gryphen (n=gryphon@c-76-22-0-105.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:39.20 | *** join/#wowuidev DG`Node (n=tony@pool-71-179-28-147.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 00:44.03 | Duman | whoa |
| 00:44.04 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023782474&sid=2000 |
| 00:46.24 | NightHawkTheSane | northrend offline again? Man. fucking hell |
| 00:46.59 | JoshBorke | about damn time imo |
| 00:47.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Hobinheim (n=Hobinhei@207-38-224-183.c3-0.43d-ubr9.qens-43d.ny.cable.rcn.com) |
| 00:48.02 | Duman | nighthawk: intentional server reboot |
| 00:48.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: ah. hopefully its more stable after |
| 00:48.32 | NightHawkTheSane | also, re: your link. I actually noticed this on my map a while back. |
| 00:48.44 | NightHawkTheSane | But, for some reason, the implications of it just didn't click. |
| 00:49.47 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:50.03 | Esamynn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557074411&sid=2000 <-- huzzah!!! =D |
| 00:50.06 | Duman | btw ck, I've been using carto 3 on beta... seems to work like a charm so far |
| 00:50.09 | ckknight | I wonder if (a) they'll supply instance maps (b) leave us (and by us I mean me) to our own devices |
| 00:50.54 | Stanzilla | a |
| 00:50.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: assuming the behavior of the map & player blips on beta is current "intended", I'd have to assume they intend to provide maps. |
| 00:50.57 | Duman | now I need xinhuan to update gathermate w/ the new nodes :) |
| 00:51.04 | Duman | unless I'm drunk and he already did |
| 00:51.09 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: I agree. |
| 00:51.12 | NightHawkTheSane | otherwise it's REALLY odd to have a random zone map showing up when you open your map in an instance |
| 00:51.24 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: at which point, I plan on revamping Cart2 and Cart3 to use the api they provide |
| 00:51.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: *nod* makes sense |
| 00:51.34 | kagaro | they renamed them again Duman ? |
| 00:51.49 | Stanzilla | ckknight: have you seen that? http://ace.pastey.net/93850 |
| 00:51.52 | Duman | I mean the new nodes |
| 00:51.53 | NightHawkTheSane | the other option is, of course, that the change is unintended, and we'll be back to square one at some point ;) |
| 00:52.03 | kagaro | yeah so do I, I added them the other day |
| 00:52.06 | Duman | ahh ok |
| 00:52.10 | Duman | I need to redownload then :) |
| 00:52.21 | Duman | still only in the svn tree, yeah? |
| 00:52.30 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.00 | kagaro | yeah should have auto packaged by now |
| 00:53.19 | Anaral | So Gathermate works with the Beta? |
| 00:53.26 | kagaro | yeah |
| 00:53.28 | Duman | yep |
| 00:53.31 | kagaro | i added all the zone last week |
| 00:53.38 | ckknight | Stanzilla: thanks for showing me. Is that Blizz's code? |
| 00:53.41 | Duman | ahh, autopackages are where? off main files. ? |
| 00:53.51 | Stanzilla | ckknight: yes, found it in the latest diff to 8788 |
| 00:53.54 | ckknight | okay |
| 00:54.00 | kagaro | need to update again with new dk starting area name |
| 00:54.17 | ckknight | dammit, whenever I watch too much military stuff, I start thinking in military terms |
| 00:54.38 | kagaro | Duman: yes |
| 00:54.47 | Duman | kagaro: cool, thanks |
| 00:54.56 | Cralor` | how come i can't log into the beta forums =( |
| 00:55.05 | Stanzilla | ckknight: it starts at line 3994 in 8770.8788.diff |
| 00:55.09 | kagaro | as soon as northrend comes back up ill go make a dk to check new names |
| 00:55.37 | kagaro | since they renamed it this patch |
| 00:55.56 | kagaro | ive been spending this week rewrintg the data mining pars of gathermate |
| 00:56.05 | kagaro | for the offline gtahermate_data |
| 00:57.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirov (n=Kirov@c-71-198-140-70.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 01:07.32 | *** part/#wowuidev nekoh (n=nekoh@drms-590c931e.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 01:07.39 | Duman | hmm |
| 01:07.42 | Sixen | mmh. |
| 01:07.54 | Duman | gathermate won't "remember" a node if it's not for my current profession? |
| 01:08.10 | Duman | oh wait |
| 01:08.12 | Duman | I'm retarded |
| 01:08.14 | Duman | :) |
| 01:08.50 | Duman | (forgot I had non-current-profession nodes hidden - IGNORE ME) |
| 01:09.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i usually do. ;) |
| 01:10.28 | Duman | :-( |
| 01:10.33 | Duman | :P |
| 01:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, leveling up skinning on a caster bites. |
| 01:11.29 | Esamynn | lol |
| 01:11.44 | *** join/#wowuidev nymbia (n=nymbia@c-67-190-49-185.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 01:12.12 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 01:12.12 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 01:12.15 | *** join/#wowuidev fridgid_ (n=fridgid@75.76.14.158) |
| 01:16.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-76-115-111-253.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 01:16.44 | Lunessa | End: I'm still at work. That's where the healers are. BISH. |
| 01:17.27 | Xuerian | Lunessa: You don't play a be priest, do you? |
| 01:17.43 | Lunessa | No, NE priest. |
| 01:17.46 | Xuerian | female? |
| 01:18.00 | Lunessa | Duh |
| 01:18.09 | Xuerian | Got a deep voice? |
| 01:18.30 | Lunessa | She likes to say "My real name is Galadriel, and I look just like my character." |
| 01:19.25 | Xuerian | Have a BE priest in my guild, exactly the same.. |
| 01:19.26 | Xuerian | Freaky. |
| 01:19.56 | Lunessa | Haha... Yeah, armory the name. You'll get a lot of hits. |
| 01:20.23 | Xuerian | Similar name, not the same. More the other stuff that's the same |
| 01:20.56 | Lunessa | Oddly enough, Lunessa isn't even my main character any more. |
| 01:21.12 | ckknight | I'm just ckknight :-P |
| 01:21.50 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty sure this nick is too long for a character name |
| 01:22.01 | Lunessa | I used the name on the forum, so I kept using it here. *shrug* |
| 01:22.05 | Xuerian | Got ours to say "Hey whitey, imma' toss yo salad" once. It scared me. |
| 01:22.26 | Lunessa | Haha. For a guy though, I have a pretty high voice. Sucks. |
| 01:22.59 | |pez| | Lunessa: My boyfriend switches from rather low, to high, depending on what language he's speaking. :P |
| 01:23.19 | Xuerian | I do the same, to be fair, it's just mood instead of language. |
| 01:23.46 | Kirov | I've been told that over vent I sound like, and I quote, "a bear" |
| 01:23.48 | Lunessa | Well, I've been mistaken for a woman over the phone. Not often, but it happens. Crushing blow to the ego when it happens. |
| 01:24.19 | Xuerian | Used to happen to me. |
| 01:24.20 | ckknight | Kirov: hairy gay man or actual bear? |
| 01:24.33 | Kirov | Or Yogi. |
| 01:24.35 | Kirov | Not really sure |
| 01:24.39 | Xuerian | Kirov: Haha, I get yelled at cause I scream like a girl. |
| 01:24.41 | ckknight | pickinic baskets? |
| 01:24.50 | Lunessa | Haha... "Oh no Yogi, not the butt-butter again!" |
| 01:26.52 | Kirov | I have a second nickname. Silent Bob. |
| 01:28.08 | Kirov | so, aparently I sound like kevin smith doing a yogi bear impression. |
| 01:32.30 | Lunessa | Haha.. before I started shaving my head, I was told I looked like Kevin Smith a bit. |
| 01:35.56 | Duman | heh |
| 01:49.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Random question for the day: Skinning in live can be maxed at 375, which allows you to, theoretically, skin a level 75 mob. In wrath, it maxes at 450, which would allow skinning a L90 mob. In theory, in the third expansion, you wouldn't even need to level up skinning to be able to skin near any mob. |
| 01:49.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ... Does anyone else see a problem here? |
| 01:50.04 | Lunessa | The only problem I see is that people always want more levels. |
| 01:50.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Well, I'm obviously going on the assumption that each expansion = +10 levels. |
| 01:50.38 | NightHawkTheSane | obviously, if that's not the case, the whole thing's relatively moot. |
| 01:51.06 | Lunessa | I'm sort of hoping that if there are more expansions, there's a focus on something other than "leveling" |
| 01:51.12 | Lunessa | But that's just me. |
| 01:51.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (n=Dune@208-104-142-238.rhhe1.2wcm.comporium.net) |
| 01:51.25 | NightHawkTheSane | And, I'll admit, the profession skill cap scaling would suggest a third expansion would not raise the level cap, thus balancing level & skill cap out again.. |
| 01:51.29 | NightHawkTheSane | but.. |
| 01:51.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: I agree in theory, but if you look at a lot of the design decisions, that's kind of out of character |
| 01:52.34 | *** join/#wowuidev malreth (n=triti@cpe-72-177-113-22.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 01:52.46 | Lunessa | Be excellent to each other. |
| 01:52.48 | malreth | WHAT THE BELGIUM HAVE I DONE?!? |
| 01:53.09 | NightHawkTheSane | .. you.. said.. the B word.. thats what, you vile thing |
| 01:53.21 | Lunessa | This isn't a documentary. You can't win an award for artistic use of the word Belgium. |
| 01:53.40 | Lunessa | And congratulations on making an honest woman of her. |
| 01:53.59 | NightHawkTheSane | now you've both lost me |
| 01:54.00 | malreth | wooo! |
| 01:54.51 | malreth | i'd post photos of the wedding... but the guests who took them only uploaded them to facebook |
| 01:54.54 | malreth | and facebook is dumb |
| 01:55.15 | Lunessa | I has facebook |
| 01:55.56 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: 1) Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, book three, "Life The Universe and Everything" reference. 2) He got married. |
| 01:55.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765585510&sid=1&pageNo=3#51 |
| 01:56.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i clearly got #1. |
| 01:56.18 | NightHawkTheSane | also, grats malreth :) |
| 01:56.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (n=Yssaril@adsl-76-217-109-197.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:57.07 | *** join/#wowuidev digmouse (n=whhao198@117.68.122.159) |
| 01:57.21 | malreth | NightHawkTheSane: thanks! |
| 01:58.27 | ReAn | Any WoWI Guru's around? |
| 01:58.39 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@12.206.135.48) |
| 01:59.07 | ReAn | Dolby: Ping? |
| 01:59.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@12.206.135.48) |
| 02:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ReAn: what do you need exactly? |
| 02:01.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110 (i=Matrix11@pD957F0AA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:01.44 | ReAn | I need to drop 2 projects on the SVN, i.e. i've given up and dont wanna waste thier space/etc... |
| 02:01.56 | ReAn | i can't seem to find a remove button or option anywhere |
| 02:02.40 | NightHawkTheSane | I can't imagine they take up that much space, honestly. svn's reasonably efficiant, and text files are really tiny |
| 02:03.06 | NightHawkTheSane | that said, have you tried svn delete? (or whatever the svn option is) |
| 02:05.08 | ReAn | no, you don't understand |
| 02:05.16 | ReAn | i want to remove the entire repo |
| 02:05.20 | ReAn | not the contents |
| 02:05.28 | ReAn | removing the contents is a moot point |
| 02:05.32 | ReAn | because it's journaled |
| 02:05.36 | ReAn | it dosent actually do anything |
| 02:05.52 | ReAn | removing the repo just removes everything |
| 02:09.04 | Legorol | sweet, sweet revenge... i managed to kill a bot. several times. |
| 02:09.16 | Legorol | not as easy as it sounds |
| 02:10.32 | NightHawkTheSane | depends on class/factoin i guess |
| 02:10.41 | Aiiane | and server type |
| 02:10.53 | alestane | Sure enough, it ain't just a river in Egypt: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9015671571&sid=1 |
| 02:12.20 | NightHawkTheSane | weee 350 skinning. >< |
| 02:12.26 | *** join/#wowuidev selckin (n=selckin@unaffiliated/axxo) |
| 02:12.26 | Aiiane | what, de nile? |
| 02:13.40 | MentalPower|Work | ReAn: send a PM to shirik or clad |
| 02:14.33 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: lol svn efficiant |
| 02:15.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: i said reasonably. it could be better, it could be worse. One or two stray non-massive projects aren't going to break anything :P |
| 02:19.57 | *** join/#wowuidev gramg (i=dmangus@c-67-169-221-67.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 02:23.55 | Kirov | alestane = nuh-uh! My macro so did to work yesterday! |
| 02:25.30 | *** join/#wowuidev _DARKGuy_ (n=DARKGuy@201.242.110.88) |
| 02:25.44 | *** join/#wowuidev DARKGuy (n=DARKGuy@201.242.110.88) |
| 02:26.16 | Lunessa | alestane: /comfort |
| 02:29.15 | *** join/#wowuidev gamma (n=hehee@89-138-174-230.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 02:29.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (n=Dark_Elf@ip224.net253.mw.net) |
| 02:30.22 | *** join/#wowuidev gramg_ (i=dmangus@c-67-169-221-67.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 02:37.54 | *** join/#wowuidev icemoon (n=chatzill@218.80.240.218) |
| 02:45.58 | *** join/#wowuidev dabujo_ (i=xx@p4FDB2136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:47.01 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, i just noticed one of the quest rewards in wrath.. "Icier Barbed Spear" |
| 02:47.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol yeah |
| 02:48.51 | Kirov | nice |
| 02:49.05 | Kirov | Some of the item names in this game are great. |
| 02:49.14 | Kirov | Like the Stoppable Force. |
| 02:49.18 | Kirov | win |
| 02:49.56 | Kirov | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25402 making fun of http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19323 |
| 02:49.57 | Lunessa | I like Zootfizzle's gossip text in the Scholazar basin |
| 02:51.27 | Sixen | hehe |
| 02:51.44 | Sixen | brb, restart. |
| 02:51.45 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@12.206.135.48) |
| 02:56.30 | Corrodias | hearing this almost makes me want to play GTA:VC again. Toto - Hold The Line |
| 02:58.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Guillotin1 (n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 02:58.25 | |pez| | sweet. youtubes embed code breaks validation |
| 02:59.50 | Corrodias | aw, who needs valid html anyway |
| 02:59.58 | Corrodias | i prefer when it doesn't even work, personally |
| 03:01.21 | |pez| | It looks better if one can actually provide sites that are valid |
| 03:01.21 | NightHawkTheSane | valid html is for losers who don't use IE |
| 03:02.03 | Corrodias | speaking of not using IE |
| 03:02.10 | Yssaril | can anyone verify that coords work in wotlk instances? |
| 03:02.23 | Corrodias | i found out about firefox 3's lovely "file upload" feature today. and by lovely i mean what the hell were they thinking. |
| 03:03.27 | Yssaril | firefox has a file upload feature? |
| 03:03.33 | |pez| | Ok, fuckit, we need a mediacenter in our home. |
| 03:03.33 | Yssaril | upload to what? |
| 03:03.42 | ScytheBlade1 | "These fires are just way too random." -- Some hunter in my guild, talking about Archimonde |
| 03:03.42 | |pez| | the boyfriends computer has all the music, and it keeps crashing. |
| 03:04.46 | Corrodias | Yssaril: when you click on a text box intended to allow you to specify a file to upload to a web page, firefox 3 now forces a filechoose dialog open and makes you choose one that way |
| 03:04.57 | Corrodias | and then you can't erase the result from the box unless you download an extension that lets you erase text fields |
| 03:05.19 | Yssaril | hmm never had that happen |
| 03:05.20 | Corrodias | you can't just paste filenames into the field, or edit them after they're in |
| 03:05.41 | Corrodias | it's firefox 3, and try megaupload, youtube, any 'chan to see what i mean. |
| 03:06.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:06.18 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 03:06.38 | Rabbitbunny | Do you guys happen to know how the cost to repair is calculated or a resource where I could read more about it? google is giving me 9bil results :( |
| 03:08.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Guillotin2 (n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 03:10.04 | Lunessa | Rabbitbunny: I don't know. But I know the factors are - iLevel and Rep level with the repairvendor and % of durability |
| 03:10.24 | kd3 | take a look at how any of the autorepair mods do it? |
| 03:11.46 | Lunessa | Actually... look at the merchant frame. The calc has got to be in there. |
| 03:11.52 | Rabbitbunny | derr, I totally forgot to take something else apart and see how it works |
| 03:12.14 | Rabbitbunny | Thanks. |
| 03:12.48 | Lunessa | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/MerchantFrame.lua |
| 03:12.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-68-172-80-6.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 03:12.51 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 03:19.34 | Lunessa | Ok, the formula isn't in there. And it's not in the API pages on WoWWiki. |
| 03:20.29 | Cralor` | I just had a chat with a GM ! He gave me lessons on how to be a good GM =p |
| 03:20.58 | Ackis | speaking of merchant frame, anyone here have experience with writing it? |
| 03:21.00 | Cralor` | Like, you can't say "fix". Because if you do, and you can't "fix" it, they will be mad. |
| 03:21.08 | Cralor` | =p |
| 03:21.18 | Lopeppeppy | "investigate" |
| 03:30.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Guillotin1 (n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 03:33.16 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out for the night. Later all. |
| 03:38.01 | Tekkub | So the discussion yesterday about the DK start zone, it's definately everyone is the same place with changed visibility |
| 03:38.17 | Tekkub | I could see frostwyrm blasts in phase 2 earlier |
| 03:38.55 | Tekkub | still can in fact |
| 03:39.11 | haste | :D |
| 03:40.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: o'rly? interesting bug. |
| 03:42.06 | Aiiane | Tekkub |
| 03:42.19 | Aiiane | I wonder if you could do /cast [target=playernamehere] spell |
| 03:42.25 | Aiiane | and have it work on someone in a different visibility |
| 03:42.52 | Tekkub | dunno, but yea it proves everyone's in the same place just different "visibility |
| 03:43.44 | selckin | great zone tho |
| 03:50.22 | *** join/#wowuidev |Yssaril| (n=Yssaril@adsl-76-217-109-197.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:51.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Thelyna (n=burp@122-57-246-202.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 03:56.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Guillotin2 (n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 04:03.06 | Thelyna | ergh, wowwiki is failing me |
| 04:03.19 | Thelyna | is there a way to see if a player has walk enabled? |
| 04:03.33 | selckin | sounds like ledge boss |
| 04:03.39 | Thelyna | bingo |
| 04:03.49 | Thelyna | well, not actually the ledge boss |
| 04:03.54 | Thelyna | we're one-shotting that now |
| 04:04.01 | Thelyna | it's the running-with-conflag we're working on |
| 04:04.31 | Thelyna | I kind of figure a bright red flashing "YOU'RE WALKING!" across the middle of someone's screen should alert them |
| 04:05.00 | Thelyna | is there a neater way to do it than to look at their keybinds and catch their walk key presses? |
| 04:05.07 | selckin | i find it easier not to walk on the ledge |
| 04:05.42 | Thelyna | heh, I don't have a problem with it myself |
| 04:06.03 | Thelyna | but a lot of our raid has issues with "okay, now turn walk OFF" |
| 04:06.11 | selckin | channeled spells make the camera turn back! can't run ith conflag |
| 04:06.16 | *** part/#wowuidev malreth (n=triti@cpe-72-177-113-22.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 04:06.22 | selckin | fail people will fail :p |
| 04:06.47 | Thelyna | right, but I'm looking for ways to give them less excuses for failing |
| 04:25.52 | Ackis | [2008/08/14 22:22:19-157-x2]: Interface\FrameXML\UIPanelTemplates.lua:20: attempt to index local 'tab' (a nil value): <-- anyone have an idea what I'm doing that causes that error? |
| 04:27.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: wild guess here, but you're trying to access a variable named "tab", that's defined as a local variable, but happens to be nil. |
| 04:27.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 04:27.32 | Ackis | :P |
| 04:27.54 | Ackis | it happens when I click the buyback button :P |
| 04:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | Don't click the buyback button? *ducks* |
| 04:29.21 | Ackis | quit giving out advice that I would give out! :P |
| 04:29.35 | Lopeppeppy | I'm so terribly sorry, carry on, carry on. |
| 04:29.45 | Ackis | lol |
| 04:31.41 | Ackis | I'm playing with hooking and ironically I saw a hooker on my way home from work this evening |
| 04:32.39 | ccox | Ackis - scoping out the competition? |
| 04:34.09 | Ackis | heh no, it was pretty weird seeing guys stop though, I felt like I needed a shower |
| 04:35.11 | Lopeppeppy | "Don't touch that Baby Elizabeth, you don't know where it's been." |
| 04:35.16 | Lopeppeppy | Walking petrie dishes of doom. |
| 04:35.21 | Corrodias | don't like paying for sex, eh |
| 04:35.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Guillotin1 (n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 04:37.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Shefki (n=breser@fornix.brain.org) |
| 04:39.14 | Guillotin1 | Anybody have any idea what would cause my computer to have 80 GB of used space that no disk-analyzer can identify? I've gone through every folder and as far as I can tell, 80 gigs just disappeared. |
| 04:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | Gremlins. |
| 04:39.50 | Lopeppeppy | Eddies in the time stream? |
| 04:39.52 | Lopeppeppy | *hug* |
| 04:40.02 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 04:40.19 | ccox | Guillotin1 - system files, detached files (still in use by some application, but invisible to the file system), or mapping out bad disk sectors |
| 04:40.22 | Corrodias | Guillotine: well... i don't want to say virus, but it could be. still, 80gb seems like an awful lot. |
| 04:40.28 | Guillotine | *cry* wondering if I have some serious hardware issue. Computer keeps crashing as well :/ |
| 04:40.39 | ccox | that *might* be a clue |
| 04:40.39 | |Yssaril| | Guillotine: defrag lately? |
| 04:40.43 | selckin | Guillotine: how did you figure out you're missing it |
| 04:40.47 | Corrodias | run a chkdsk. i know FAT was prone to losing free space when it got errors |
| 04:40.52 | Guillotine | Yssaril: every week |
| 04:41.00 | Lopeppeppy | That 80G could be bound by things that are crashing? |
| 04:41.14 | Guillotine | hmm, thats an interesting idea |
| 04:41.18 | ccox | fsck -y |
| 04:41.36 | Corrodias | windows won't reserve the disk space if there is no hard link to the file, and an application can't have a handle open to it without one of those as far as i know |
| 04:42.06 | Corrodias | there's also the possibility that the application you're using to find space usage can't access some of the folders on your drive |
| 04:42.13 | ccox | unlinked files would also go away with a reboot |
| 04:42.19 | Corrodias | System Volume Information is typically set with read permissions only given to SYSTEM |
| 04:42.33 | Corrodias | that's where restore points are kept |
| 04:42.36 | Guillotine | Corrodias: this is is just windows explorer |
| 04:42.38 | Guillotine | well, and other things |
| 04:42.44 | Guillotine | but windows explorer says the same |
| 04:42.49 | Corrodias | windows explorer reports 0kb in use for that folder if you can't read it |
| 04:43.31 | Yssaril | umm did they make UC a no mount zone in wotlk? |
| 04:43.36 | Corrodias | 80gb would be a LOT of space for it to use, though. i think it defaults to 10% of the drive max. |
| 04:43.49 | Guillotine | Yssaril: fair number of errors with mounting in cities |
| 04:44.03 | Yssaril | kk just checking |
| 04:44.30 | Corrodias | gui, if you don't have read permission on System Volume Information, add yourself and see how much space it's taking |
| 04:44.55 | Corrodias | offhand i can't think of any other folders that don't by default have read permissions for administrators, though |
| 04:45.57 | Guillotine | I'm currently leaning towards the loss of space due to crashes |
| 04:46.05 | Guillotine | certainly been having lots of those |
| 04:46.14 | Lopeppeppy | So stop having those? *ducks again* |
| 04:46.42 | Corrodias | why won't you take my suggestion? :( but okay, if the partition is formatted with FAT, i think that's a definite possibility. not sure if that can happen on NTFS. |
| 04:46.58 | Guillotine | its really weird, every time I try to give my mother board some nice warm milk, it crashes :( |
| 04:47.16 | Guillotine | Corrodias: Yah, going to try your suggestion when chkdsk is done |
| 04:47.17 | Lopeppeppy | She likes rum better? |
| 04:47.27 | Corrodias | oh, oh. ok |
| 04:47.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Guillotin, how big is your HD, total? |
| 04:48.12 | Guillotine | 142 gigs (its a laptop) |
| 04:48.38 | Neuro_Medivh | and it shows how much used/max? |
| 04:48.42 | selckin | if it fat? |
| 04:48.50 | selckin | boot with a linux livecd |
| 04:48.56 | Guillotine | 10.2 gigs free of 142 gigs, its NTFS |
| 04:49.23 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, so what makes you think 80 gigs is missing? |
| 04:50.29 | Guillotine | 1) Every analysis program I've used has found 80 gigs of unidentified files. 2) If I just go through letting windows analysing each folder, I only get about 60 gigs used |
| 04:51.09 | selckin | make sure it's not comfusing file size, and on disk size |
| 04:51.21 | Neuro_Medivh | when you say 'found 80 gigs', where is it finding them? |
| 04:52.02 | Corrodias | has found 80 gigs of unidentified files? i don't know what tool would suggest such a thing as an unidentified file |
| 04:53.50 | Guillotine | Well, anybody have any good analysis tools I can use that might be better able to identify where all the space is being used? |
| 04:53.59 | Guillotine | I've just used a couple disk-pie type tools |
| 04:54.30 | Neuro_Medivh | well, the easiest thing is to just right-click the folders and hit properties |
| 04:54.40 | Guillotine | thats what I did |
| 04:54.56 | Guillotine | and when it seemed way out of wack, I started trying other tools |
| 04:54.58 | Neuro_Medivh | do you have show hidden files and directories? |
| 04:55.06 | Guillotine | of course :) Keep it on at all times |
| 04:55.19 | selckin | boot with a linux cd, and run du -csh /mountpoint ! |
| 04:55.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Shefki_ (n=breser@fornix.brain.org) |
| 04:56.15 | Neuro_Medivh | well, either you have a lot of programs installed, or a lot of media files *cough*porn*cough* |
| 04:56.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@12.206.135.48) |
| 04:56.40 | Lopeppeppy | *ahem* |
| 04:56.56 | Guillotine | I do have a lot of programs installed, but they only add up to about 30 gigs total |
| 04:57.01 | Guillotine | and no media files :P |
| 04:57.31 | Sixen | So i'm still confused.. Ordinn = Mike Morhaime, amirite? |
| 04:57.49 | Cairenn | no |
| 04:58.08 | Cairenn | Ordinn == CSR |
| 04:58.18 | Sixen | Then why did he post the "Statement from Mike Morhaim" without quotes and why is everyone directlinking it to that thread? |
| 04:58.40 | Cairenn | because Mike gave him the post and said "put this up on" |
| 04:58.43 | Guillotine | no silly, Ordinn == Jack Thompson |
| 04:58.48 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 04:59.15 | Cairenn | Sixen: boss says "post this", csr posts it |
| 04:59.19 | Sixen | Mm |
| 04:59.27 | Sixen | The rest of them used quotes |
| 04:59.50 | Cairenn | I know who Ordinn is, and he isn't Mike |
| 04:59.51 | Sixen | I lied. Bashiok didn't. |
| 05:03.37 | kd3 | lmao @ xkcd |
| 05:04.14 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 05:04.31 | Neuro_Medivh | "clearly, someone is doing their job wrong" |
| 05:06.23 | *** join/#wowuidev zenzelezz (n=zenzelez@062249182162.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 05:06.26 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 05:06.40 | Lopeppeppy | Clearlt |
| 05:06.44 | Lopeppeppy | *clearly |
| 05:07.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 05:09.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Shefki (n=breser@fornix.brain.org) |
| 05:11.19 | Guillotine | So anybody have a disk space analysis tool to suggest? |
| 05:11.36 | selckin | du |
| 05:11.45 | Kirov | Guillotine - like a disk usage visualizer? |
| 05:11.52 | Guillotine | yup :) |
| 05:12.22 | Kirov | http://windirstat.info/ |
| 05:12.50 | kd3 | the graphical disk map on linux |
| 05:13.11 | Guillotine | Kirov: thanks :D |
| 05:14.32 | Hirsute | Guillotine: Doesn't happen to be a ThinkPad, does it? |
| 05:14.38 | Guillotine | Yes, why? |
| 05:15.06 | Hirsute | I'd bet anything it's ThinkVantage's backup |
| 05:15.11 | Hirsute | Did the same thing to me. |
| 05:15.12 | Guillotine | hmmmm |
| 05:15.19 | Guillotine | how do you clear that out? |
| 05:15.45 | Hirsute | one sec |
| 05:16.07 | Hirsute | I forget where it was kept, but let me see if I can remember |
| 05:16.18 | Guillotine | np, if you don't remember off-hand I can just look it up |
| 05:17.19 | Hirsute | One way to get at them is to punch the thinkvantage button->Security, Protection and Recovery->Backup My Data |
| 05:17.26 | Hirsute | That will open it's rescue and recovery. |
| 05:17.38 | Lopeppeppy | No punch Johnny 5! Johnny 4 is alive!! |
| 05:17.59 | Hirsute | In the right side of the window look for a small line that says something about renaming and deleting backups, changing the schedule, etc. |
| 05:18.21 | Hirsute | You can delete old backups there, and change whether or not it automatically backs up for you. |
| 05:19.46 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:21.04 | Guillotine | thanks :D I'll see if that helps |
| 05:21.13 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-39-239.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:22.44 | Hirsute | It had filled up about 70 gigs on my HDD when I finally figured out what it was. |
| 05:24.14 | ReAn | anyone know if there's a way to figure out how much exp it takes for any given level? Either w/ ingame api commands or w/ dbc/wdb extraction? |
| 05:25.07 | Xinhuan | google it rean |
| 05:25.12 | Xinhuan | some websites has them |
| 05:25.15 | Xinhuan | the list that is |
| 05:26.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Shefki (n=breser@fornix.brain.org) |
| 05:26.21 | Kirov | ReAn - http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:XP_To_Level |
| 05:29.32 | Thelyna | is there a way to see if a player has walk enabled? |
| 05:31.36 | *** part/#wowuidev Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 05:33.00 | Keias | So |
| 05:33.07 | Kirov | Thelyna - not really. |
| 05:33.13 | Keias | wrong chat, oops |
| 05:33.13 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:34.56 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, ReAn, the amount to lvl for 60-70 has changed on test, it's approx 40% less |
| 05:35.15 | Thelyna | Kirov: ugh. my backup plan is to figure out what keybinds they have for walk/run toggle then monitor those keypresses - would that work? |
| 05:35.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Nargiddley (n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 05:37.47 | jaxdahl | how do i make an item link manually in wotlk? something like itemsync would do, given the item ID? |
| 05:39.04 | Kirov | Thelyna - yes, you can just hook the walk function and track it that way. However, if you press walk and turn off wow and back in, you stay walking. |
| 05:39.59 | Neuro_Medivh | so, what's the big deal with walking? |
| 05:40.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Shefki_ (n=breser@fornix.brain.org) |
| 05:40.16 | Neuro_Medivh | there a sunwell encounter that is walk-dependant? |
| 05:40.29 | *** join/#wowuidev End (n=end@tetris.cornhooves.org) |
| 05:40.36 | Kirov | jaxdahl - GetItemInfo(itemid) ? |
| 05:41.45 | Kirov | jaxdahl - you can also try forcing a get from the server. |
| 05:41.56 | Kirov | GameTooltip:SetItem(itemid) |
| 05:42.00 | Thelyna | Neuro_Medivh: the eredar twins - it's easiest to get into a position you need to be in for the fight by walking |
| 05:42.26 | Thelyna | but if you stay with walk on during the fight and get conflag (think geddonbomb) you're going to do bad things to your raid group |
| 05:42.48 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:46.01 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 05:46.07 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 05:47.02 | jaxdahl | kirov, setitem or setitemref? |
| 05:47.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Tinyboom (n=nahh@38.84-49-87.nextgentel.com) |
| 05:47.22 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-68-172-80-6.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 05:50.34 | Kirov | GameTooltip:SetHyperlink("item:"..itemid..":0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0") |
| 05:53.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Hey-WTF (n=burp@222-152-97-91.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 05:54.58 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 05:56.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Lukian_ (i=wizard@203.171.70.21.dynamic.rev.aanet.com.au) |
| 05:59.36 | jaxdahl | thanks kirov |
| 06:00.04 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:00.27 | jaxdahl | i guess they removed purified frostweave or something |
| 06:00.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Mery (n=chatzill@p4FF757B2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:00.35 | jaxdahl | i'm stuck at 430 FA |
| 06:02.57 | Iriel | Yay, finished Braid. |
| 06:03.58 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:04.05 | *** join/#wowuidev zenzio (n=zenzelez@85.19.77.194) |
| 06:06.44 | Kirov | Iriel - is it as good as people say? |
| 06:07.27 | Iriel | I thought it was very nicely done, strange but finishing feels like I actually beat something. |
| 06:09.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 06:10.47 | jaxdahl | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/8765585510.htm HEH |
| 06:19.36 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:25.55 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 06:30.10 | Iriel | Anyone on Northrend in the alliance guild? |
| 06:30.28 | selckin | eu |
| 06:31.36 | MentalPower | Iriel: I will be... in a few hours when my system finishes patching |
| 06:31.58 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:32.14 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 06:32.15 | NightHawkTheSane | I could probably log over.. |
| 06:32.46 | Iriel | MentalPower: Cide took care of me, thanks. |
| 06:33.12 | DARKGuy | ~emulate NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:33.17 | DARKGuy | :( |
| 06:33.19 | DARKGuy | how was the command :( |
| 06:33.52 | Kirov | ~Kirov |
| 06:33.57 | Kirov | ~emulate Kirov |
| 06:33.58 | purl | personally I'd use blow fish |
| 06:34.12 | selckin | ~emulate DARKGuy |
| 06:34.13 | DARKGuy | :o |
| 06:34.19 | Kirov | ~emulate Kirov |
| 06:34.20 | purl | It's too early in the morning for me to be able to read moron. |
| 06:34.26 | DARKGuy | it can't emulate me, I'm un-emulate-able |
| 06:35.50 | NightHawkTheSane | 1.7s lightning bolts are win. |
| 06:35.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Shefki (n=breser@fornix.brain.org) |
| 06:36.12 | Arrowmaster | ive had faster shadowbolts |
| 06:36.16 | MentalPower | purl emulate DARKGuy is <reply> I can't emulate DARKGuy, he's un-emulate-able |
| 06:36.17 | purl | okay, MentalPower |
| 06:36.25 | MentalPower | ~emulate DARKGuy |
| 06:36.25 | purl | I can't emulate DARKGuy, he's un-emulate-able |
| 06:36.28 | DARKGuy | o.o |
| 06:36.29 | DARKGuy | XD!!! |
| 06:36.49 | Corrodias | emulate, huh |
| 06:37.03 | MentalPower | ~emulate me |
| 06:37.04 | purl | Emulate you? I dont think I can dumb myself down that much! |
| 06:37.09 | MentalPower | ~emulate MentalPower |
| 06:37.09 | purl | ACTION is eating pizza with chocolate milk |
| 06:37.11 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 06:37.17 | MentalPower | man that's old :) |
| 06:37.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: probably, but my dps gear is just whatever offspec loot i could grab when raiding |
| 06:37.18 | DARKGuy | purl rocks |
| 06:37.18 | purl | you bet your perl modules I do! |
| 06:37.28 | NightHawkTheSane | and a few pieces of badge gear |
| 06:37.49 | Arrowmaster | i hit 1.2s shadowbolts back before the GCD was effected by haste |
| 06:39.34 | Arrowmaster | but ive only got like 70 haste rating even now |
| 06:40.02 | ReAn | anyone know if the wowi:revision works on files other than the TOC? |
| 06:40.05 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - how were you hitting 1.2? |
| 06:40.14 | Kirov | w/ drums, hero, trinket? |
| 06:40.18 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 06:40.25 | Arrowmaster | Kirov: heroic bloodfurnace |
| 06:40.45 | NightHawkTheSane | (i should point out, i'm doing this with just passive haste + a haste trinket clicky) |
| 06:41.44 | Kirov | I hate that armory doesn't show haste |
| 06:41.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@86-60-157-18-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 06:41.48 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=30939 |
| 06:42.02 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:42.04 | Arrowmaster | stacks with bloodlust |
| 06:42.24 | Arrowmaster | fun shit |
| 06:45.47 | DARKGuy | LOL |
| 06:45.49 | DARKGuy | <theY4Kman> <NECHTOVIKING> ad'skas'pdofkasdpofkas[pdofkas[pdfokq3e-f90k2'3flk2043fkc2e |
| 06:45.49 | DARKGuy | <theY4Kman> <NECHTOVIKING> sorry my russian isnt that great |
| 06:45.49 | DARKGuy | <Judo> That's not Russian, that's Perl. |
| 06:46.25 | clad|sleep | Hjalte: it doesn't right now |
| 06:46.30 | clad|sleep | which is a "known issue" |
| 06:50.31 | Kirov | I can currently hit 1.5 ish for my fireball. |
| 06:50.39 | Kirov | no |
| 06:50.40 | Kirov | 1.4 |
| 06:51.13 | Kirov | bloodlust, drums, 120 haste, icy veins |
| 06:51.33 | DARKGuy | you guys don't laugh with anything |
| 06:51.35 | DARKGuy | :( |
| 06:52.01 | Kirov | DARKGuy - it looks more like APL |
| 06:52.43 | DARKGuy | Kirov: now that you mention it, it's true xD |
| 06:53.11 | DARKGuy | going to bed tho :D |
| 06:53.14 | DARKGuy | ttygl :D |
| 06:54.51 | NightHawkTheSane | yay, world server is down! |
| 06:55.04 | *** join/#wowuidev copystring_ (n=copystri@p548A0F63.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:57.52 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17715 |
| 06:57.52 | cladhaire | wow |
| 06:58.20 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 06:58.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 06:58.42 | NightHawkTheSane | someone mentioned that in here earlier |
| 06:59.02 | NightHawkTheSane | And, like i said, I actually noticed this on my map a few days ago. But for some reason it just didn't click. |
| 06:59.08 | Kirov | nice |
| 06:59.17 | Rabbitbunny | What is BugSack and why aren't people using Swatter? |
| 06:59.33 | MentalPower | holy war, nuf said |
| 06:59.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Because they're using bugsack. |
| 06:59.40 | NightHawkTheSane | they do basically the same thing |
| 06:59.41 | Nechckn | Recommendation for a hunter- aldor or scryer - no set crafts other than skin/min atm. |
| 07:00.24 | Rabbitbunny | UserA reported a bug, says it came from BugSack. It has no diagnostic info. It's just... Useless. |
| 07:00.31 | Corrodias | from what i remember, Nechckn, it really doesn't matter |
| 07:00.45 | Kirov | Rabbitbunny - then that user is an ass. |
| 07:00.46 | Nechckn | that's what I'm thinking... |
| 07:00.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Rabbitbunny: sounds more like your user is an idiot |
| 07:01.07 | NightHawkTheSane | probably using bugsack because it "makes the errors go away" |
| 07:01.22 | Rabbitbunny | That's what I was thinking... But I wasn't going to say it out loud... |
| 07:01.26 | Arrowmaster | Rabbitbunny: BugSack does the same thing Swatter does |
| 07:01.30 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i have no problem being rude. :) |
| 07:01.39 | Nechckn | so scryer it is- nice low platform for less falling deaths! ty Corrodias |
| 07:01.48 | Rabbitbunny | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/filinfo.php?id=10226#comments |
| 07:02.17 | Arrowmaster | 404 |
| 07:02.27 | NightHawkTheSane | you spelled "fileinfo" wrong. :P |
| 07:02.28 | Kirov | BugSack has a full debug stack dump. |
| 07:02.29 | haste | fili |
| 07:02.32 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=10226#comments |
| 07:02.38 | Rabbitbunny | Yes, I wasn't really paying attention when I zipped it up, I was making zips to drop into my laptop. |
| 07:02.51 | Corrodias | yeah, i always chose aldor because i like draenei women |
| 07:03.08 | cladhaire | i need to figure out which to choose for my druid |
| 07:03.13 | Arrowmaster | Rabbitbunny: thats a full error message and makes perfect sense |
| 07:03.16 | cladhaire | planning to heal in pvp |
| 07:03.19 | Kirov | I play a Draenei, and went Scryer |
| 07:03.43 | Rabbitbunny | Arrowmaster: Could you dissect it for me? |
| 07:03.43 | Nechckn | Well, the shoulder enchant at the end of scryer is yummy for feral druids |
| 07:04.01 | Nechckn | but... for healing... dunno cladhaire |
| 07:04.04 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: for healing, i'd PROBABLY say aldor, just because the shoulder enchant has more +heal. |
| 07:04.10 | Arrowmaster | Rabbitbunny: you called LibStub("LibAbacus-3.0") in your code, the user doesnt have LibAbacus-3.0 |
| 07:04.10 | Corrodias | aren't the differences small enough between the two's bonuses that it isn't that important? |
| 07:04.11 | NightHawkTheSane | but i'm a +heal whore.. |
| 07:04.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: yeah, ultimately it wont make or break you |
| 07:04.30 | Nechckn | it isn't *that* important |
| 07:04.41 | Nechckn | just a little bit of help here and there |
| 07:04.41 | NightHawkTheSane | but if we're talking min/maxing, there's obvoius benefits to one or the other depending on class/spec |
| 07:04.47 | Corrodias | can be, yeah |
| 07:04.51 | Rabbitbunny | Arrowmaster: It's included. Are you calling the user an idiot? |
| 07:04.56 | Corrodias | keep in mind that you may be changing roles in the future |
| 07:05.04 | Corrodias | whatever's open to your class |
| 07:05.13 | cladhaire | i hate aldor rise |
| 07:05.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Rabbitbunny: .. the term user and idiot are synonymous ;) |
| 07:05.14 | cladhaire | BUT |
| 07:05.15 | cladhaire | i'm a druid |
| 07:05.18 | cladhaire | so flying, no issue :P |
| 07:05.21 | Arrowmaster | yes, if you tested this with no standalone libraries at all |
| 07:05.25 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: yeah, flying at 68. :D |
| 07:05.57 | Arrowmaster | Rabbitbunny: do you have this on wowace or something? |
| 07:06.13 | Rabbitbunny | No. |
| 07:06.31 | Arrowmaster | sec |
| 07:07.14 | Rabbitbunny | it's version 0.01c. you can't even browse the data yet. Sometimes it collects the right data, and sometimes you can view it... in the chat frame,,, somewhat. |
| 07:08.06 | cladhaire | Rabbitbunny: you are wrong in this case |
| 07:08.11 | cladhaire | bugsack gave you all of the info you need |
| 07:08.24 | Arrowmaster | swatter would have given you the exact same thing |
| 07:08.46 | Arrowmaster | and yeah your file looks fine |
| 07:09.15 | Kirov | Swatter and BugSack just give you straight up debugstack() print outs. |
| 07:09.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Lukian (i=wizard@203.171.70.21.dynamic.rev.aanet.com.au) |
| 07:09.23 | Nargiddley | Rabbitbunny, the download on WoWi looks like a no-ext zip that you added libraries to, embeds.xml is not referenced in the toc and the other xml has been stripped |
| 07:10.06 | Rabbitbunny | No idea what you just said. |
| 07:10.17 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah Nargiddley is right |
| 07:10.26 | Nargiddley | the .toc doesn't reference embeds.xml so it won't load |
| 07:10.28 | Arrowmaster | non of your libs will ever load |
| 07:10.34 | Nargiddley | and FarmFu.xml has nothing in it |
| 07:10.48 | Nargiddley | except <!-- Removed by files.wowace.com for no-ext zip. --> |
| 07:11.15 | Arrowmaster | which would only happen if it was embeds.xml and not FarmFu.xml |
| 07:14.43 | Rabbitbunny | That's not funny. |
| 07:14.53 | NightHawkTheSane | I dunno, i'm kinda chuckling. |
| 07:15.09 | Rabbitbunny | Stupid Abacus 3.0 is in my /Addons |
| 07:15.11 | Hjalte | cladhaire: I just had this error when accesing the DTK options panel through the interface addons options: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93875 - After doing /dtk and letting it equip me with the set I had chosen some time ago, in another session, it let me see the options. |
| 07:15.32 | Kirov | what is Abacus? |
| 07:15.46 | Rabbitbunny | It makes pretty money strings |
| 07:15.52 | Kirov | ah |
| 07:15.52 | Arrowmaster | Rabbitbunny: fyi the global namespace hates you |
| 07:16.01 | cladhaire | Hjalte: can you give me the exact reproducable steps? |
| 07:16.03 | cladhaire | oh |
| 07:16.05 | cladhaire | i know what you did |
| 07:16.06 | cladhaire | nvm |
| 07:16.31 | Hjalte | cladhaire: You're a smart guy :) |
| 07:16.33 | Rabbitbunny | Arrowmaster: You have some sorta counter or you just guessing? |
| 07:16.37 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:17.00 | Arrowmaster | Rabbitbunny: just guessing from all the generic named globals in your code |
| 07:17.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 07:17.27 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 07:17.38 | Rabbitbunny | Yeah, i need to get those under acedb one of these days. |
| 07:18.05 | Rabbitbunny | Anyway... You were right, Swatter comes up with a somewhat close error when it can't find that lib. |
| 07:18.15 | Guillotine | Hirsute-Away: That cleared up all 80 missing GB :D Thanks a ton! |
| 07:18.26 | cladhaire | Hjalte: pushed, thanks. |
| 07:18.49 | Rabbitbunny | Of course, swatter gives me the line number... |
| 07:19.00 | Hjalte | cladhaire: No problem. It looks like a smart addon for alts. |
| 07:19.11 | cladhaire | yeah its main use is while levelling |
| 07:19.18 | cladhaire | i hate looking at my gear to figure out what to equip |
| 07:19.18 | Arrowmaster | Rabbitbunny: so does bugsack |
| 07:19.24 | cladhaire | when I'm turning in like 10 quests at a time |
| 07:19.30 | cladhaire | Rabbitbunny: I don't know how else to make you understand this |
| 07:19.38 | cladhaire | Bugsack and Swatter would give you the EXACT same error |
| 07:19.45 | Rabbitbunny | No. |
| 07:19.48 | cladhaire | they BOTH use the debugstack() API to get it |
| 07:19.49 | cladhaire | yes, actually |
| 07:19.56 | Rabbitbunny | Say it fifty times, I'm looking at it. |
| 07:20.13 | cladhaire | what line number don't you have?. |
| 07:20.15 | cladhaire | [2008/08/13 14:32:38-88-x1]: FuBar_FarmFu-20400-1\FarmFu.lua:3: Cannot find a library instance of "LibAbacus-3.0". |
| 07:20.15 | Arrowmaster | they may be formatted slightly different but its the same exact error |
| 07:20.17 | cladhaire | ArkInventory-2.27\Libs\Ace2\AceLibrary\AceLibrary.lua:49: in function `LibStub' |
| 07:20.19 | cladhaire | FuBar_FarmFu-20400-1\FarmFu.lua:3: in main chunk |
| 07:21.58 | Rabbitbunny | that '.lua:3: in main chunk' did not stick out quite as well a moment ago. |
| 07:22.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Movix (n=mattes@82.242.144.196) |
| 07:22.10 | Arrowmaster | ingame its colored |
| 07:22.45 | Arrowmaster | although that part could use some work |
| 07:22.45 | Kirov | Looking at the output of Swatter, it's slightly reformatted. |
| 07:22.52 | Arrowmaster | it breaks on things like "Can't" |
| 07:22.57 | Rabbitbunny | the big giant 3, the only part of an error message of any use, is hidden in goofy syntax. |
| 07:23.00 | Arrowmaster | and the coloring just looks weird then |
| 07:23.18 | Arrowmaster | the entire error message is useful |
| 07:23.24 | Rabbitbunny | Fine, they may have the same data. but swatter has it in a useful format. |
| 07:23.31 | Kirov | I actually find the formatting in swatter harder to read. |
| 07:23.38 | cladhaire | wow, you're never going to stop bitching about this |
| 07:23.38 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 07:23.48 | cladhaire | even after we prove that the information that anyone needs is there. |
| 07:23.54 | Kirov | It seperates the bug in to parts to be "easier to read", but not easier to understand. |
| 07:23.58 | cladhaire | I find that obnoxious =/ |
| 07:24.18 | Rabbitbunny | Would you like a kleenex? |
| 07:24.33 | Rabbitbunny | I find people crying about on-topic discussion ocnoxious. |
| 07:24.42 | cladhaire | Okay |
| 07:24.44 | cladhaire | listen the fuck up |
| 07:24.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Rabbitbunny: shut up. |
| 07:24.54 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously. |
| 07:24.55 | cladhaire | There is NO reason to be rude to anyone in here right now who is trying to help you |
| 07:24.58 | cladhaire | you aren't listening |
| 07:25.03 | cladhaire | and we're trying desperately to help you |
| 07:25.14 | cladhaire | all you are doing is pointlessly bitching about a personal preference, to cover up the fact that you were WRONG |
| 07:25.22 | cladhaire | we don't want ot point and laugh and say "Ha ha you were wrong" |
| 07:25.27 | cladhaire | but ffs |
| 07:25.49 | selckin | time for /ignore and go back to being happy |
| 07:25.52 | selckin | :) |
| 07:26.47 | cladhaire | Oh but I forget, I don't know the WoW API at all, and neither does anyone else here. |
| 07:27.10 | Kirov | Well... fruit punch and cake out on the patio! |
| 07:27.25 | cladhaire | what kind of cake? |
| 07:27.28 | cladhaire | I don't like chocolate |
| 07:27.31 | cladhaire | but yellow cake is ftw! |
| 07:27.36 | selckin | pie for you then. |
| 07:27.37 | Kemayo | Cairenn: When you use the wowi svn interface to create a new addon, it's automatically flagged as being WotLK-compatible. |
| 07:27.48 | Kirov | Yellow cake with strawberries mixed and glazed. |
| 07:28.03 | Cairenn | Kemayo: okay, thanks for the heads up |
| 07:28.06 | Kirov | And some vanilla ice cream. |
| 07:28.09 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:28.46 | Cairenn | Kemayo: may take a few days to get fixed, Dolby is on vacation this weekend |
| 07:29.06 | Kemayo | Cairenn: Also, when you're looking at the sub-pages of the svn options, the breadcrumbs in the top-left say "SVN Project's". :) |
| 07:29.33 | Cairenn | k |
| 07:29.59 | Kemayo | It's far from an urgent thing, I think. :D |
| 07:31.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@d019107.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 07:37.36 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 07:41.42 | *** part/#wowuidev Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 07:48.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 07:48.36 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 07:49.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Scale (n=Scale@217-100-191-130.edu.multikabel.nl) |
| 07:50.27 | Scale | Hey guys i have a quick question what is the proper name argument for IsAddOnLoaded? the name of the addon folder or the name in the toc file or neither? |
| 07:51.07 | foxlit | "We're putting the U R A back in FAILURE" << despair is awesome! |
| 07:51.40 | Kirov | Scale - folder |
| 07:51.48 | Scale | thanks! |
| 07:52.12 | Dolby | although its fun (drinking with the dev's) its not really a vacation. At SOE's FanFaire, gotta do a little work. hehe |
| 07:53.15 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:54.02 | Kirov | What, is there something else to do at expos but drinking with people who have the same bitches as you? |
| 07:55.14 | Kirov | That and having people buy rounds of drinks because one of the people in the lobby you're sitting next to we've all seen naked in playboy pictures. |
| 07:55.23 | Kirov | But, maybe that's just my experience. |
| 07:56.58 | Kirov | (btw, that's bitches as in complaints, not working girl swapping) |
| 07:58.19 | zenzio | wait, hold on... SOE has fans? |
| 07:58.42 | Maldivia | air-fans perhaps... but otherwise... |
| 07:58.42 | zenzio | nevermind, I keep thinking they all died with SWG |
| 07:58.48 | Kirov | zenzio - It's a "faire", ie: lots of people pretending to be fans. |
| 07:59.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Mike-N-Go (n=MikeNGoS@64.193.93.197) |
| 07:59.25 | Dolby | SOE knows how to party |
| 07:59.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Diskmaster (n=YOURFACE@CPE-76-85-147-197.neb.res.rr.com) |
| 07:59.30 | Dolby | its not like a con |
| 07:59.34 | Kirov | I'll give them that. |
| 07:59.40 | Kirov | Fuck the E3 Sony party. |
| 07:59.44 | zenzio | party like it's a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away? |
| 07:59.56 | Kirov | I went to sooo many E3s, and never got in. |
| 08:00.28 | Kirov | Every year I decided not to go, my friends got in. |
| 08:00.28 | zenzio | E3 went and killed themselves really |
| 08:02.19 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:02.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Slakah (n=james@5acd430b.bb.sky.com) |
| 08:02.45 | Kirov | zenzio - there's a quote about E3 I think really hit the spot about this years E3. "Video games are visual and audible medium that E3 in all its spectical was a celebration of the art. This E3 felt like clinical." |
| 08:03.28 | Kirov | I'm sure I completely mangled that, but you get the idea. |
| 08:06.32 | *** join/#wowuidev MoonWolf (n=MoonWolf@i209133.upc-i.chello.nl) |
| 08:06.32 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 08:08.18 | *** join/#wowuidev copystring (n=copystri@p548A0F63.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:12.21 | Arrowmaster | grr wtf, i have changed my Path env var in windows and can clearly see it changed in the registry and the gui (the system properties one) but every new console window i open doesnt have the new path |
| 08:13.28 | Kirov | Don't you need to restart windows for it to take full effect? |
| 08:13.40 | nevcairiel | tried "set" in the console window to see if its in there? |
| 08:13.42 | Arrowmaster | not on an nt kernel |
| 08:13.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah tried path and set in the console |
| 08:14.22 | nevcairiel | oh well, never had that problem |
| 08:14.26 | MentalPower|Zzzz | non-NT kernels require a full restart |
| 08:14.30 | MentalPower|Zzzz | NT kernels just require a new console window |
| 08:15.57 | Arrowmaster | i have a minor suspesion on what it might be, and if it is i will be pissed |
| 08:17.55 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:22.46 | cladhaire | wow... EoTS on my battlegroup is absolute shit righ tnow |
| 08:22.50 | cladhaire | 10 minute queue |
| 08:23.01 | cladhaire | and we're down 10 to 15 almost every match |
| 08:23.12 | Aiiane | :| |
| 08:31.36 | foxlit | EoTS is crap-by-proxy |
| 08:31.53 | foxlit | Generally has a horrible pug losing record, so people tend to queue-jump the hell out of there |
| 08:32.06 | foxlit | Which obviously doesn't help them in the first place. |
| 08:34.31 | *** join/#wowuidev zenzio_ (n=zenzelez@85.19.77.194) |
| 08:35.37 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:37.16 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:39.07 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:43.26 | *** join/#wowuidev laeg (n=laeg@unaffiliated/laeg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 08:48.37 | Punkie | nom nom nom |
| 08:56.36 | foxlit | local sdiff = self:GetScale() - scale; if math.abs(sdiff) > 0.02 then scale = .?. end self:SetScaleForce(scale); |
| 08:57.08 | foxlit | shortest expression to stuff in .?.'s place to limit the change of a scale to 0.02 at a time? |
| 08:58.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi` (n=Bibi@unaffiliated/bibi) |
| 08:58.43 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Bibi`] by ChanServ |
| 08:58.45 | Kirov | why not min(max(sdiff,-0.2),0.2) |
| 08:58.51 | Kirov | get rid of the if |
| 08:59.18 | Kirov | o |
| 09:00.17 | foxlit | That works |
| 09:00.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Slakah (n=Slakah@5acd430b.bb.sky.com) |
| 09:00.32 | krka | i like to define clamp if it's not already defined |
| 09:00.33 | Kirov | then add it to the GetScale() |
| 09:00.41 | foxlit | hah |
| 09:00.44 | Kirov | krka - lua doesn't seem to have it |
| 09:00.52 | foxlit | I just crashed wow with my awesome OnUpdate loop :) |
| 09:00.58 | krka | makei t! |
| 09:01.44 | krka | function clamp(low, x, high) if x < low then x = low elseif x > high then x = high end return x end |
| 09:02.04 | Kirov | clamp = function(value,a,b) if a > b then return min(max(value,b),a) else return min(max(value,a),b) end end |
| 09:02.45 | Kirov | Mine isn't order dependant for the top / bottom! |
| 09:02.56 | Kirov | win! |
| 09:05.03 | krka | sure, if you expect your users to break the contrac |
| 09:14.25 | foxlit | always! |
| 09:25.00 | Xinhuan | the if-elseif version probably runs faster though ;p |
| 09:33.03 | foxlit | ffmpeg command line help message is a conspiracy |
| 09:33.42 | cladhaire | true |
| 09:33.50 | selckin | its just huge |
| 09:35.24 | foxlit | my scaling trick works: http://go-hero.net/opie/movScale :) |
| 09:36.10 | doow | foxlit: nice! |
| 09:36.31 | doow | foxlit: I really like the look of that |
| 09:36.37 | selckin | no direct download is fail |
| 09:36.42 | selckin | +link |
| 09:37.25 | foxlit | selckin: no direct download of what? |
| 09:38.46 | selckin | movie |
| 09:38.51 | selckin | i refuse to install flash :\ |
| 09:39.56 | foxlit | Meh, I don't really care about making flv-quality video downloadable :) |
| 09:40.49 | zenzio | so you stream the redtube videos every time? :-o |
| 09:50.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Roblibob (n=chatzill@c83-249-50-207.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 09:52.27 | *** join/#wowuidev [dRaCo] (n=drc@p5B229E30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:52.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Sargeras (n=Guest@cpe-98-148-167-228.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 09:53.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 09:53.02 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 09:56.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Scale (n=Scale@217-100-191-130.edu.multikabel.nl) |
| 09:57.17 | Scale | Hay, I just updated and upload a new version of my addon and it got aproved yet its under Outdated Mods can i correct this or do i have to PM a mod? |
| 09:57.37 | Cairenn | what cat do you want it in? |
| 09:58.21 | Scale | Umm let me check what would be best |
| 09:59.16 | Scale | i guess Group/Guild or Raid mods maby |
| 09:59.31 | Cairenn | heh |
| 09:59.52 | Cairenn | some do |
| 10:01.29 | Mery | people always in this channel don't count.. |
| 10:01.37 | zenzio | :( |
| 10:04.29 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (n=p3lim@084202209032.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 10:06.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Fatalis (n=fatalisd@68-188-76-94.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 10:16.15 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 10:23.26 | Arrowmaster | i think Cairenn is awake at the same times i am..... |
| 10:24.01 | Fisker- | Arrowmaster my friend! |
| 10:24.03 | Arrowmaster | actually she may be worse |
| 10:27.24 | Shirik | Mery, impressive. We were just discussing this in the staff channel. |
| 10:27.33 | Shirik | And by discussing I mean I said something to Cairenn and she totally ignored me |
| 10:27.52 | foxlit | searching for ButtonFacade on wowi returns everything but the actual buttonfacade :) |
| 10:28.00 | Mery | :) |
| 10:28.09 | Cairenn | you didn't say anything TO me, you said something ABOUT me |
| 10:28.21 | Cairenn | :p |
| 10:28.31 | Shirik | ok fine |
| 10:28.39 | Cairenn | :) |
| 10:28.49 | foxlit | which means I have to get an ace account to whine at people :( |
| 10:29.13 | Shirik | foxlit: None of the BF mods are linked to a ButtonFacade, which implies to me it's not on wowi |
| 10:29.25 | Fisker- | I HATE HATE HATE |
| 10:29.31 | Cairenn | aye, it's never been uploaded to wowi |
| 10:30.31 | zenzio | <Shirik> And by discussing I mean I said something to Cairenn and she totally ignored me <-- remember what happened last time someone felt Cairenn was ignoring them :-o |
| 10:30.45 | Shirik | not really actually |
| 10:30.46 | amro | they /slitwrists? |
| 10:30.47 | Shirik | was it good? |
| 10:30.52 | Cairenn | zenzio: shush |
| 10:30.59 | zenzio | heh |
| 10:31.00 | Mery | bah can't even beat a rogue at half health anymore |
| 10:31.12 | zenzio | Cairenn at least seems to remember :) |
| 10:31.27 | Shirik | do I have to go google for this? |
| 10:31.43 | Shirik | ` |
| 10:31.43 | Shirik | ~logs |
| 10:31.44 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 10:33.05 | Shirik | I don't see anything |
| 10:33.35 | zenzio | I would be surprised if you did, this was about a year ago or something |
| 10:33.47 | Cairenn | shhhhhh |
| 10:33.47 | Shirik | oh |
| 10:33.49 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 10:33.53 | Shirik | then it would be in #wowi-lounge instead |
| 10:40.48 | Shirik | sigh |
| 10:40.50 | Shirik | I give up |
| 10:40.52 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 10:40.58 | Shirik | too much to look through, and I'll be late |
| 10:41.14 | Shirik | so bye |
| 10:52.58 | *** join/#wowuidev kaugummi (n=kaugummi@2002:5091:d4f2:55f:20d:93ff:fe87:d832) |
| 11:10.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (n=kalroth@3908ds1-hj.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 11:14.20 | *** join/#wowuidev frop (n=mrmr@unaffiliated/frop) |
| 11:14.32 | frop | hello |
| 11:14.50 | frop | anyone remember the name of the "circular" action bar addon? |
| 11:16.21 | Punkie | more info? |
| 11:16.49 | frop | heh |
| 11:17.09 | Punkie | just have circular buttons or? |
| 11:17.10 | [dRaCo] | oPie |
| 11:17.19 | frop | it's an action bar replacement...and default layout is circular |
| 11:17.29 | [dRaCo] | ^ |
| 11:17.38 | frop | Punkie nope, not talking about cycircled |
| 11:17.59 | Punkie | I think I know which you mean, but I can't remember the name either :/ |
| 11:18.07 | frop | :) |
| 11:18.25 | frop | was something like "Action bar for mages..." or something |
| 11:18.29 | [dRaCo] | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9094-OPie.html is what you are looking for |
| 11:18.40 | [dRaCo] | (probably) |
| 11:18.43 | digmouse | Cyrolysis? |
| 11:19.04 | digmouse | round actionbar mod for specific class? |
| 11:19.05 | frop | Cyrolysis! |
| 11:19.13 | digmouse | lol |
| 11:19.54 | Punkie | oh right, i wouldn't say that was a replacement and wasn't what I was thinking of ;) |
| 11:20.27 | digmouse | punkie is that u r looking for? Cyrolysis-like or Bartender-like? |
| 11:20.42 | Punkie | it wasn't me, it was frop that was asking for it |
| 11:20.49 | frop | aye |
| 11:20.53 | frop | using bartender... |
| 11:20.53 | digmouse | oops |
| 11:21.04 | frop | ...but in the middle, it appears "weird" |
| 11:21.11 | frop | so trying something other |
| 11:21.18 | digmouse | screenshot? |
| 11:21.30 | frop | ehhe still working on the UI |
| 11:21.42 | frop | i need to kgpanel pitbull frames |
| 11:22.56 | frop | yesterday i did a toggle for Omen/Recount |
| 11:22.59 | frop | working nice |
| 11:23.45 | frop | do you think Cryolysis and Bartender will work fine togheter? |
| 11:24.12 | Punkie | there's no reason they shouldn't |
| 11:24.22 | frop | gonna try :) |
| 11:25.07 | *** join/#wowuidev leethal (n=leethal@cm-84.215.134.225.getinternet.no) |
| 11:25.07 | digmouse | They should work well |
| 11:28.23 | *** join/#wowuidev cbreak (n=cbreak@80-219-4-146.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 11:29.48 | frop | mmmh |
| 11:30.01 | frop | libBar-1.0 is missing from required libs |
| 11:31.37 | frop | Cryolysis2-2.0 Beta\Cryolysis2.lua:9: Usage: EmbedLibrary(addon, libname, silent, offset): 'libname' - Cannot find a library instance of "LibBars-1.0". |
| 11:32.30 | digmouse | frop, download a full one, with externals |
| 11:32.52 | digmouse | LibBars is still on branches I think |
| 11:33.02 | frop | mmmh i got it installed and loaded :P |
| 11:33.30 | frop | will try with embedded one |
| 11:39.19 | frop | the addon with embedded libs works fine |
| 11:39.28 | frop | with externals, doesn't |
| 11:40.40 | *** join/#wowuidev JerekDain (n=JerekDai@75-168-221-87.mpls.qwest.net) |
| 11:42.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Aznamir (n=aznamir@ool-43544a0d.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 11:42.41 | Aznamir | Hello Everyone |
| 11:42.49 | Cairenn | hi |
| 11:44.14 | Aznamir | Does anyone use RosterLib on the beta server? |
| 11:44.31 | frop | nice addon...too bad...mage specific only :( |
| 11:52.18 | JoshBorke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 11:52.18 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 11:52.33 | JoshBorke | ~sleep Cairenn |
| 11:52.34 | purl | ACTION sends Cairenn to bed without supper |
| 12:03.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Bouvi (n=Bouvi@72.243.111.178) |
| 12:09.04 | *** join/#wowuidev subu (n=s@g221.ip7.netikka.fi) |
| 12:19.28 | digmouse | frop: what's your class? |
| 12:19.37 | frop | hunta |
| 12:19.44 | digmouse | use Venates |
| 12:19.54 | digmouse | Venantes |
| 12:20.24 | frop | it's the same addon? |
| 12:20.33 | frop | it looks the same visually :P |
| 12:21.00 | digmouse | almost every class has one circle bar mod |
| 12:21.24 | frop | Last Update: Jan. 30, 2007 (1 year ago) |
| 12:21.31 | digmouse | cyro for mage, ven for hunter, Holyhope for pally, necrosis for wl, etc |
| 12:21.48 | cbreak|original | I think the bar api has not changed much since a year ago. |
| 12:21.52 | digmouse | I got a perfect version myself though |
| 12:22.23 | Rabbitbunny | lua> print("this one") |
| 12:22.24 | lua_bot | Rabbitbunny: this one |
| 12:22.56 | digmouse | o.O |
| 12:23.30 | frop | http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=4692 |
| 12:24.12 | frop | seems someone wanna make all-in-one addon for these circulars |
| 12:25.21 | digmouse | their is one actually but.. not so good |
| 12:26.37 | cbreak|original | Hmm... I should make a cast shell that works like "Quicksilver" |
| 12:28.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Josh_Borke (n=jk275@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke) |
| 12:38.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Daedals (n=Daedals@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff73c100-9.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 12:49.02 | frop | venantes works nicely |
| 12:49.07 | Rabbitbunny | your loot doesn't lose durability without ressing right? |
| 12:49.09 | frop | too bad...still ace2 |
| 12:51.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 12:51.58 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 12:53.42 | digmouse | frop: ace2 is enough though, it doesnt matter whether it's ace2/3 if it's good huh? |
| 12:53.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.30.131) |
| 12:53.55 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 12:54.14 | digmouse | is global "TextStatusBarTextSmall" changed or exists? my ClearFont keep reporting "attempt to index global 'TextStatusBarTextSmall' (a nil value)" |
| 12:57.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Garoun|Loupana (n=Garou@c-98-204-102-177.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 13:02.04 | Nom- | Rabbitbunny: Yes... you lose dura upon death |
| 13:03.03 | frop | digmouse it doesn't...but...but...but... |
| 13:03.13 | frop | well...but! |
| 13:03.58 | frop | anyone know a bit of Pitbull? |
| 13:04.10 | selckin | its a dog with tags |
| 13:04.17 | frop | is the target frame always "frame4"? |
| 13:04.22 | Rabbitbunny | Nom-: On the stuff in my bags? |
| 13:04.38 | frop | Rabbitbunny nope...you shoulnd't |
| 13:04.39 | Lopeppeppy | Rabbitbunny, you didn't spirit rez did you? |
| 13:05.21 | Rabbitbunny | Well, this is hypothetical, I just wrote a lopp to check the repair cost of inventory, I don't really want to write one for bags too. |
| 13:05.29 | Rabbitbunny | /lopp/loop/ |
| 13:05.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (n=kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten) |
| 13:05.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 13:05.39 | Lopeppeppy | Lop ws funny.... |
| 13:06.31 | Rabbitbunny | umm... Thanks? |
| 13:06.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Kandok1 (n=Testing@adsl-068-159-119-207.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) |
| 13:07.20 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry, it's before noon, I'm not responsible for my sophomoric sense of humor before sunrise! |
| 13:08.17 | Rabbitbunny | Well, at least you know why the loop took me three hours... |
| 13:11.41 | *** join/#wowuidev |pez| (n=user@213-187-182-126.dd.nextgentel.com) |
| 13:16.03 | *** join/#wowuidev DARKGuy (n=DARKGuy@201.211.54.110) |
| 13:16.30 | *** part/#wowuidev DARKGuy (n=DARKGuy@201.211.54.110) |
| 13:19.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@d019107.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 13:30.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com) |
| 13:30.02 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 13:32.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Rabbitbunny (n=Bunny@h47.94.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 13:34.02 | *** join/#wowuidev frop (n=mrmr@unaffiliated/frop) |
| 13:34.11 | frop | damn, my wow crashes my pc |
| 13:34.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Kyahx (n=Kyahx@mayo-nat8.mayo.edu) |
| 13:34.20 | frop | the nvidia driver stop working |
| 13:34.28 | frop | and i need an hard reboot |
| 13:37.14 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I've had issues on and off with that for a while. |
| 13:38.52 | frop | nv4_disp.dll |
| 13:39.04 | frop | but most of the times...game just freeze |
| 13:39.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 13:39.19 | frop | so? no solution around? |
| 13:39.33 | Lopeppeppy | I've uninstalled and re-installed those thrice-damned drivers at least dozens of times. That is the only solution, until/unless they update the driver again. |
| 13:39.59 | frop | i'm installing beta drivers from guru3d.com :P |
| 13:40.03 | frop | always the same |
| 13:40.09 | frop | what's your vid card? |
| 13:40.20 | Lopeppeppy | Meep. I'm not at home to check, sorry. |
| 13:40.45 | frop | :) np |
| 13:40.58 | nevcairiel | I never had issues like that with my nvidia drivers |
| 13:41.05 | frop | got an old one...7600gt...was thinking of change it |
| 13:41.27 | frop | nevcairiel it happens often to me :( |
| 13:41.47 | frop | and it's annoying to reboot the pc...during a raid...maybe...when you need to MD :( |
| 13:42.51 | Fisker- | i hate you nevcairiel |
| 13:44.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (n=kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten) |
| 13:44.19 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 13:51.06 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Tem |
| 13:51.07 | purl | There, there, Tem. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:53.04 | Lopeppeppy | brb sheeple attack |
| 13:53.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Daedals (n=Daedals@88.193.115.9) |
| 13:57.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Shadowed| (n=outlaw@12.157.177.162) |
| 14:06.24 | *** join/#wowuidev DARKGuy (n=DARKGuy@201.211.54.110) |
| 14:06.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 14:06.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Legorol (n=legorol@stud-nat-blk12.trin.cam.ac.uk) |
| 14:06.39 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 14:06.54 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 14:06.54 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 14:07.41 | *** part/#wowuidev DARKGuy (n=DARKGuy@201.211.54.110) |
| 14:08.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 14:09.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Unregistered (n=Unregist@pool-96-244-113-137.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 14:10.07 | Unregistered | hey guys |
| 14:11.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Unregistered (n=Unregist@pool-96-244-113-137.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 14:12.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaelten (n=kaelten@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/WoWIFA/CurseStaff/kaelten) |
| 14:12.04 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 14:12.34 | *** part/#wowuidev Unregistered (n=Unregist@pool-96-244-113-137.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 14:15.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@athedsl-4362769.home.otenet.gr) |
| 14:19.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 14:25.34 | *** join/#wowuidev AckisWork (i=8ee55104@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Troll/Ackis) |
| 14:29.22 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 14:29.22 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 14:31.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Daedals (n=Daedals@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff73c100-9.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 14:34.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 14:34.30 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 14:35.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Drundia (n=drewndia@92.113.78.29) |
| 14:36.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (n=Dark_Elf@ip71.net253.mw.net) |
| 14:38.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 14:45.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Drundia (n=drewndia@92.113.95.239) |
| 14:45.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 14:46.24 | Adys | purl: wowuiquotes is <reply>http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 14:46.24 | purl | Adys: okay |
| 14:56.13 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly| (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 14:59.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Cralor` (i=62d8db99@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-98c64ddaf286247d) |
| 15:02.05 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (i=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 15:14.56 | *** join/#wowuidev kneeki (n=chatzill@66.45.169.50) |
| 15:16.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 15:21.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Throngy (n=nn@5ad2af8e.bb.sky.com) |
| 15:35.11 | Tem | DO WANT http://www.astrogaming.com/products/detail/4/A40_Headset/ |
| 15:35.42 | Cralor` | 200 ... wtf |
| 15:38.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Unregistered (n=Unregist@78.148.186.50) |
| 15:38.16 | Unregistered | Hey guys |
| 15:38.52 | Cralor` | *wave |
| 15:39.01 | Cralor` | lol how do u do emotes on this thing? |
| 15:39.26 | Cralor` | anyway... hello |
| 15:39.27 | Unregistered | i have a question about this UI :) |
| 15:39.33 | Cralor` | which one? |
| 15:39.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-35-60.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 15:39.38 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 15:39.41 | Unregistered | cosmos... |
| 15:40.23 | Cralor` | ah |
| 15:40.24 | Unregistered | theres only one cosmos UI isnt there? |
| 15:40.31 | Cralor` | yep. |
| 15:40.46 | Cralor` | i guess they must have redirected cosmos to this IRC |
| 15:40.50 | Anaral | Cralor`: emote is /me or /em |
| 15:40.51 | Unregistered | lol thats alright then. thought i was missing something lol |
| 15:40.58 | Cralor` | Anaral: thanks |
| 15:41.24 | Gnarfoz | www.freedom-not-fear.eu |
| 15:41.30 | Unregistered | basically i wanna know if this is any good for a gnome rogue |
| 15:41.53 | Cralor` | it's not necessarily made for a certain class. it's either you like it, or you don't =p |
| 15:42.16 | Anaral | Aye |
| 15:42.18 | Unregistered | ah lol :P |
| 15:42.29 | Anaral | What addons from Cosmos do you want to use? |
| 15:44.17 | Unregistered | I aint really bothered about the addons i'm more fussed about the UI annoying me hehe |
| 15:44.50 | Anaral | Cosmos isn't a UI persay |
| 15:45.03 | Gnarfoz | per se |
| 15:45.12 | Anaral | Thank you Gnarf |
| 15:45.23 | Gnarfoz | :) |
| 15:45.23 | Unregistered | but its called CosmosUI? lol |
| 15:45.27 | Gnarfoz | always happy to oblige ;) |
| 15:46.22 | Anaral | LOL, but it's not going to change your unit frames or your bars. Unless they added some addons that I don't know about. |
| 15:46.46 | Unregistered | lol |
| 15:47.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Drayeah (i=5065af6a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d8a7463acfc885bd) |
| 15:47.22 | Anaral | So it's not going to change the way the screen looks. I |
| 15:47.56 | Stanzilla | wtb [Help] |
| 15:48.16 | Stanzilla | in this weird trivia killer addon I have to matches local questionAsked = msg:match("%pTB%p%p%sQ%d*%p%s(.*)") or msg:match("%pTB%p%p%s(.*)") or msg:match("%pTrivia%p%p%sQ%p%s(.*)") |
| 15:48.20 | Stanzilla | *two |
| 15:48.31 | Stanzilla | and I need a third one for "[TriviaBot]" |
| 15:54.06 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 15:54.35 | Gnarfoz | msg:match("%[TriviaBot%].+") ? |
| 15:54.41 | Gnarfoz | or .* |
| 15:59.41 | Stanzilla | hrm, nope :( |
| 16:00.04 | *** join/#wowuidev KarlKFI (n=chatzill@adcom137.adcom.uci.edu) |
| 16:00.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Kazie (n=k@port207.ds1-vg.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 16:10.28 | Rabbitbunny | Cralor`: Do you mean am I Rabbit? The guy that wrote the BugSack thing? No, I'm the guy who's messing up FarmFu. |
| 16:19.01 | Cralor` | k |
| 16:19.04 | Cralor` | =p |
| 16:19.11 | Gnarfoz | rabbit == vhaarr |
| 16:19.27 | Gnarfoz | on IRC, that is |
| 16:19.34 | Cralor` | TY Gnarf |
| 16:19.45 | Gnarfoz | nm ;) |
| 16:21.16 | erikd | do any of the bartender devs hang out in here? |
| 16:22.13 | nevcairiel | only me |
| 16:22.19 | nevcairiel | but there is only me, though |
| 16:22.41 | erikd | do you need any wotlk testers? |
| 16:22.54 | erikd | i love the mod and i need it and want to do anything i can to help :P |
| 16:23.49 | nevcairiel | I mostly know what doesnt work, but dont have time to fix all wotlk stuff just yet |
| 16:23.50 | Gnarfoz | I'm using it, it looks good so far (yay feedback) |
| 16:24.35 | erikd | do you think they're bugs that a developer who hasn't done any wow mods before could help with? |
| 16:25.12 | nevcairiel | no |
| 16:25.14 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 16:25.25 | erikd | doh >< |
| 16:26.19 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 16:26.34 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: d'you think the new secure stuff is far better than the 2.0 way? |
| 16:26.42 | nevcairiel | ywa |
| 16:26.45 | nevcairiel | *yea |
| 16:27.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Gryphen (n=gryphon@71.216.187.10) |
| 16:27.35 | Gnarfoz | I figured... from how quickly the most popular bar mods, including bt4, obviously, went from "half-broken" to "works basically like on live" in a matter of hours after the patch that implemented stable secure API went live |
| 16:31.20 | erikd | so bartender4 is the one i should be using on beta? (i assumed so but i was unsure of where to find working ace mods) |
| 16:31.25 | erikd | just got my beta last night :) |
| 16:31.50 | nevcairiel | the version from branches, that is |
| 16:31.53 | nevcairiel | http://downloads.nevcairiel.net/addons/wotlk/ |
| 16:31.56 | nevcairiel | or from there |
| 16:32.36 | Gnarfoz | Dominos also works |
| 16:32.41 | Gnarfoz | whatever floats your boat |
| 16:32.42 | Gnarfoz | :) |
| 16:34.22 | Lopeppeppy | We all float down here. |
| 16:34.30 | Anaral | What is CQL? |
| 16:34.31 | KarlKFI | working on a gui option frame lib. Can anyone think of any other common options beyond: header w/ subtext, checkbox, slider, dropdown, editbox, custom frame |
| 16:35.05 | nevcairiel | Anaral: my personal version of a double-panel questlig like DoubleWide =P |
| 16:35.46 | cbreak | context menus, texture frames |
| 16:35.50 | nevcairiel | s/lig/log/ |
| 16:36.03 | erikd | does xperl work yet? or metahud? |
| 16:36.07 | jaxdahl | nev, is Bartender4.lua supposed to have the revision # of the latest overall change to any file in that directory and/or subdirs? |
| 16:36.15 | erikd | my ui feels so foreign |
| 16:36.15 | *** join/#wowuidev DuTempete (n=chatzill@adsl-68-77-20-226.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 16:36.16 | Anaral | Check out WoWInterface |
| 16:36.29 | Cralor` | erikd: X-Perl has a version at WoW Interface WotLK Beta section |
| 16:36.29 | erikd | i didn't see metahud on wowi =/ |
| 16:36.30 | Anaral | They have a full section of mods that are supposed to work with beta |
| 16:36.30 | jaxdahl | trying to figure out which revision my bartender4 is from |
| 16:36.41 | nevcairiel | jaxdahl: no, its the file revision |
| 16:36.46 | erikd | ah, great. thanks cralor |
| 16:36.59 | Cralor` | np |
| 16:37.28 | jaxdahl | looks like i'm using 79856 |
| 16:37.53 | jaxdahl | looks like you fixed some stance bar bugs? |
| 16:38.02 | KarlKFI | cbreak: texture frames are really easy to do with custom frame. you jsut create frame and link it. What do you mean by Context Menus? |
| 16:39.13 | cbreak | In some of my addons you can right click on a frame and then you get a menu with context relevant options |
| 16:39.43 | KarlKFI | hmmm, as opossed to a dropdown? |
| 16:40.06 | KarlKFI | what kind of object are you clicking? |
| 16:40.18 | cbreak | anything. the frame as a whole usualy. |
| 16:40.37 | cbreak | I do use the drop-down menu api, so maybe you consider them the same |
| 16:40.50 | cbreak | but the difference in my eyes is that a drop down menu is visible in the ui. |
| 16:40.51 | KarlKFI | what kind of things are in it? |
| 16:40.54 | cbreak | a context menu is not |
| 16:41.13 | KarlKFI | so how do the users know they can right click to set options? |
| 16:41.16 | cbreak | options, loading and storing of the graph, starting and stoping of the health/mana recording |
| 16:41.23 | cbreak | by reading the readme file... |
| 16:41.41 | foxlit | by right clicking aimlessly and at random |
| 16:41.50 | KarlKFI | i can understand a context menu on a UI element, but are they really necissary in the options panel? |
| 16:41.51 | foxlit | Every click is a new adventure :) |
| 16:42.09 | KarlKFI | there's not really any 'Context' in an options frame |
| 16:42.34 | cbreak | yes :) |
| 16:42.50 | KarlKFI | yes what |
| 16:42.55 | cbreak | in my addons the context menus are the options pannels |
| 16:43.02 | KarlKFI | why? |
| 16:43.11 | cbreak | because I am too lazy to implement a real options dialog |
| 16:43.18 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 16:43.21 | KarlKFI | fail |
| 16:43.30 | cbreak | nah. rock! |
| 16:43.48 | KarlKFI | that's like old fubar options = fail |
| 16:43.55 | foxlit | I'm so writing LibFail-3.11 |
| 16:43.56 | cbreak | what? |
| 16:44.15 | foxlit | it'll have blackjack and... well... |
| 16:44.17 | KarlKFI | the multiple sub menus used for options = GUI fail |
| 16:44.23 | cbreak | what are you talking about karl? |
| 16:44.54 | cbreak | why would anyone want an option to set a gui fail? |
| 16:45.00 | KarlKFI | ... |
| 16:45.50 | KarlKFI | fail, sucks, horrible, not good design, lazy, bad, wrong |
| 16:45.55 | cbreak | you still have popcorn? that stuff surely is all used for bio ethanol. |
| 16:46.04 | Cide | that's the worst fucking design ever invented |
| 16:46.07 | Cide | I fucking hate you for using it |
| 16:46.16 | Cide | almost. |
| 16:46.19 | KarlKFI | lol cide |
| 16:46.42 | Cide | honestly |
| 16:47.04 | Cide | dropdowns as "GUI" is the worst concept ever |
| 16:47.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Malgayne (n=caseymon@cpe-24-30-145-15.san.res.rr.com) |
| 16:47.04 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Malgayne] by ChanServ |
| 16:47.09 | Cide | if you use it, kill yourself |
| 16:47.10 | foxlit | It all stems from library use and laziness. |
| 16:47.16 | Cide | so what? |
| 16:47.19 | Cide | slash commands are better |
| 16:47.23 | Cide | and slash commands SUCK |
| 16:47.26 | foxlit | so nothing, an no, they aren't |
| 16:47.26 | cbreak | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 16:47.31 | KarlKFI | dropdowns are ok for selection, that's about it |
| 16:47.37 | Cide | foxlit: yes they are |
| 16:47.40 | Industrial | How do i request the Shadow Damage stat? |
| 16:47.50 | Industrial | UnitStat() doesnt do it? ;\ |
| 16:47.51 | cbreak | I never use any library |
| 16:47.54 | Industrial | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitStat |
| 16:47.55 | KarlKFI | how's CT3.0 comign cide? |
| 16:48.10 | KarlKFI | that good |
| 16:48.16 | Cide | pretty much! |
| 16:48.21 | Cide | I'm busy doing other stuff right now |
| 16:48.30 | KarlKFI | sounds about how well Cosmos3.0 is coming |
| 16:48.39 | foxlit | Cide: slash commands offer no intuitive list of what you can do with them, something that dropdowns somewhat accomplish despite failing in all other respects. |
| 16:48.52 | Cide | I exaggerated |
| 16:49.01 | KarlKFI | it's called print(options) |
| 16:49.07 | KarlKFI | but yeah slash commands suck |
| 16:49.07 | Cide | but dropdowns label themselves as a GRAPHICAL user interface |
| 16:49.11 | KarlKFI | i refuse to use them |
| 16:49.12 | Cide | which is a horrible lie |
| 16:49.19 | cbreak | where do they do that? |
| 16:49.29 | KarlKFI | ... |
| 16:49.32 | Cide | here, there, everywhere |
| 16:49.39 | KarlKFI | ~lart cbreak |
| 16:49.39 | purl | pries cbreak's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to cbreak |
| 16:49.40 | cbreak | who would ever think that a drop down is graphical? |
| 16:49.46 | cbreak | ~lart KarlKFI |
| 16:49.46 | purl | beats KarlKFI to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 16:49.48 | Cide | how is it not? |
| 16:49.56 | cbreak | so you claim it's grpahical? :) |
| 16:50.02 | Cide | it has graphics |
| 16:50.05 | Cide | how is it not graphical? |
| 16:50.09 | cbreak | it's mostly text |
| 16:50.16 | Gnarfoz | it's a fucking GUI element |
| 16:50.18 | foxlit | cbreak: you're off the hook from miles ago; this is us bashing ooooold design choices that have since mostly been removed. |
| 16:50.20 | Gnarfoz | do you know what that G stands for |
| 16:50.22 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 16:51.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Crysli (n=Crysli@1503027127.dong.dbnet.dk) |
| 16:51.05 | Crysli | o hai |
| 16:51.20 | cbreak | menus exist since ages, long before graphical user interfaces became popular |
| 16:51.29 | jaxdahl | http://homepage.mac.com/corrp/images/RShackInLynx.jpg [Entire Site______] <-- dropdown |
| 16:52.08 | Cide | http://www.cactus44.com/10/images/tutorial/menu/sim_dropdown3.jpg <-- dropdown |
| 16:52.19 | Cide | good job constructing a text-based dropdown |
| 16:52.34 | Cide | now pat yourself on the back and label yourself a complete human being. |
| 16:52.39 | Gnarfoz | what are you on about? even if it's done in ascii it's a GUI |
| 16:52.55 | Cide | in wow, dropdowns have associated graphics. they're a graphical user interface element. |
| 16:53.06 | Gnarfoz | timmehh |
| 16:53.07 | Gnarfoz | oh. |
| 16:53.13 | Cide | therefore, constructing a user interface consisting entirely of dropdowns implies it's a graphical user interface. |
| 16:53.25 | Crysli | Has anyone figured out a way to get the OmniCC text off PitBull auras? |
| 16:53.26 | Cide | however, this construct is an abomination. if you use it, I'll kill you. |
| 16:53.35 | cbreak | so you lie? |
| 16:53.37 | Cide | now shut up and stop being stupid before I kill you anyway |
| 16:53.40 | Gnarfoz | Crysli: yeah, check the option for that? :< |
| 16:53.42 | foxlit | That needs to be a t-shirt |
| 16:53.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 16:53.45 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 16:53.46 | Cide | I never lie |
| 16:54.10 | Cide | foxlit: what needs to be a t-shirt? |
| 16:54.18 | cbreak | Cide: |
| 16:54.18 | cbreak | but dropdowns label themselves as a GRAPHICAL user interface, which is a horrible lie |
| 16:54.20 | kneeki | Is there a tutorial somewhere on the creation of Interface Options in the WoW Interface list? |
| 16:54.22 | *** join/#wowuidev End (n=end@tetris.cornhooves.org) |
| 16:54.24 | Gnarfoz | "Retrieving character list" needs to be a t-shirt :P |
| 16:54.32 | Crysli | Gnarfoz: I don't think OmniCC has a "Don't show on PitBull" option |
| 16:54.33 | cbreak | I use UIDropDownMenu btw. |
| 16:54.36 | foxlit | Cide: "Cide: ... if you use it, I'll kill you" |
| 16:54.38 | Gnarfoz | Crysli: it's a pitbull option |
| 16:54.50 | Gnarfoz | how would omnicc know you're using pitbull |
| 16:54.55 | Cide | cbreak: dropdowns are a graphical user interface element, therefore they make up a graphical user interface if they're used as a user interface |
| 16:54.59 | cbreak | it's an extremely space, memory and time saving widget for fast interaction |
| 16:55.01 | Cide | foxlit: I'd wear it. |
| 16:55.05 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 16:55.17 | *** part/#wowuidev Malgayne (n=caseymon@cpe-24-30-145-15.san.res.rr.com) |
| 16:55.24 | Cide | congrats? I never argued against the use of dropdowns |
| 16:55.32 | Gnarfoz | it's an attribute you set on a given frame, omnicc obeys it. (I think it's .noomnicc - or it was that before and got changed later) |
| 16:56.17 | Josh_Borke | ~lart Cide |
| 16:56.17 | purl | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays Cide in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 16:56.19 | Josh_Borke | muwahahaha! |
| 16:56.26 | Josh_Borke | >>> print("I can has cheese") |
| 16:56.26 | Cide | Josh_Borke: "I can has cheese" |
| 16:57.17 | Crysli | Gnarfoz: Unless it was added in a later version of Pitbull it's not there. |
| 16:59.12 | cbreak | is there a channel for beta server related moans? |
| 16:59.33 | cbreak | trying to log in since over 30 mins, without success so far... |
| 16:59.52 | KarlKFI | beta forums |
| 16:59.55 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: same |
| 16:59.59 | KarlKFI | use general for all yoru QQing needs |
| 17:00.05 | Gnarfoz | KarlKFI: they're already filled to the brim ;D |
| 17:00.15 | KarlKFI | good, so stfu |
| 17:00.58 | Gnarfoz | no :p |
| 17:01.13 | KarlKFI | diaf? |
| 17:01.14 | Gnarfoz | Crysli: hm, only PitBull_TotemTimers has it, it seems |
| 17:01.20 | Crysli | :( |
| 17:01.31 | Crysli | I cry |
| 17:01.41 | *** part/#wowuidev Crysli (n=Crysli@1503027127.dong.dbnet.dk) |
| 17:01.49 | Gnarfoz | no nead to /leave |
| 17:01.50 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 17:01.52 | Gnarfoz | *need |
| 17:06.04 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=sioraioc@cpc3-oxfd7-0-0-cust275.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 17:12.54 | *** join/#wowuidev JerekDain (n=JerekDai@75-168-221-87.mpls.qwest.net) |
| 17:13.44 | *** join/#wowuidev NightHawkAtWork (n=duaiwe@static-71-121-241-67.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 17:15.42 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 17:15.42 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 17:17.19 | erikd | anyone know if metahud's developer has stopped working on it or not? i can't find anything about fixing it for wotlk and i figured i'd use that as a project if it's idle |
| 17:17.35 | erikd | i can't find anything to indicate one way or another |
| 17:17.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 17:17.46 | Rabbitbunny | have you guys used http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip_SetBagItem recently? repairCost is returning nil on a scepter that has 75/100 durability... |
| 17:19.53 | Industrial | you mean mace :p |
| 17:19.55 | cbreak | while at a repair guy? |
| 17:20.03 | Rabbitbunny | Yes |
| 17:20.05 | Industrial | well, or staff I guess |
| 17:20.06 | Industrial | :D |
| 17:20.32 | Rabbitbunny | err yeah, it's a mace, Princess Therradas' |
| 17:21.40 | Rabbitbunny | But, SetInventoryItem is returning useful values anywhere in the world, and SetBagItem is giving me nils |
| 17:22.42 | Rabbitbunny | http://pastebin.com/d2bb40dc3 |
| 17:23.11 | AckisWork | anyone up for a quick code review of some tabs: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93899 it creates tabs based off of the entries in the table, but something seems to be going fubar and I can't seem to figure out what it is |
| 17:25.00 | Industrial | no! dont use fubar! |
| 17:25.02 | Industrial | i mean, never mind |
| 17:25.08 | Industrial | (=D) |
| 17:25.13 | AckisWork | :P |
| 17:25.36 | cbreak | what ever it is, throw in some context menus. |
| 17:25.52 | Industrial | ~lart cbreak |
| 17:25.52 | purl | executes killall -KILL cbreak |
| 17:26.03 | cbreak | permission denied |
| 17:26.13 | Rabbitbunny | AckisWork: And if you get bored, release it as a lib.. or just give it to me.. |
| 17:26.24 | AckisWork | that code? |
| 17:26.31 | AckisWork | it doesn't work worht shit lol |
| 17:26.39 | Rabbitbunny | it just needs a massage. |
| 17:26.46 | Lopeppeppy | We all need a massage |
| 17:28.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik|AFK (n=nospam@144.212.3.243) |
| 17:28.29 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|AFK] by ChanServ |
| 17:33.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Kirov (n=Kirov@209-234-175-114.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 17:34.15 | Anaral | Hmm Xparky isn't working on Live. It works fine on Beta though... Here's the pastey of the two errors I get: http://www.pastey.net/93901 |
| 17:35.34 | *** join/#wowuidev AFKDuTempete (n=chatzill@adsl-68-77-20-226.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 17:37.07 | Gnarfoz | I've never seen it work on live, yet, anyway :D |
| 17:38.27 | Anaral | Was working fine until about a week ago. |
| 17:38.36 | NightHawkAtWork | oh man, xkcd is all kinds of awesome |
| 17:40.21 | Lopeppeppy | Every day, all day |
| 17:40.29 | Gnarfoz | xkcd is as win as its name is random |
| 17:40.59 | Industrial | :D! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10382-oUF_Industrial.html |
| 17:47.50 | Cralor` | I thought Wobbin quit WoW |
| 17:48.13 | Cralor` | it might be Wobin* |
| 17:48.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Mery (n=chatzill@p4FF757B2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:48.28 | Cralor` | ya Wobin** |
| 17:49.05 | Anaral | *sighs* XParky was such a great addon. |
| 17:49.13 | Cralor` | he never really finished it |
| 17:49.42 | Cralor` | he was suppose to add "detached mode" so u could play it wherever you like. FuXPFu is better still, im |
| 17:49.49 | Cralor` | s/im/imo/ |
| 17:50.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Keias (n=Dave@c-69-245-192-208.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 17:51.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Hobinheim (n=Hobinhei@207-38-224-183.c3-0.43d-ubr9.qens-43d.ny.cable.rcn.com) |
| 17:59.38 | *** join/#wowuidev topsub (n=josh@97.66.185.250) |
| 18:00.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 18:00.47 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 18:01.17 | Lopeppeppy | Station. |
| 18:01.22 | foxlit | hm |
| 18:01.34 | Lunessa | Woot! |
| 18:01.36 | foxlit | I'm playing around with acceleration on a certain pointer's rotation |
| 18:02.07 | foxlit | The general idea is that the further off the actual location the displayed pointer is, the faster it should animate to the proper location |
| 18:03.03 | Kirov | foxlit - for what purpose? |
| 18:03.08 | foxlit | eyecandy |
| 18:03.12 | Kirov | meh |
| 18:03.22 | foxlit | Don't meh me, you, ball designer! |
| 18:03.27 | Kirov | steal my compass's wobble animation. |
| 18:03.44 | foxlit | However, I want to avoid the situation where it'd go from rest to skipping large distance chunks, preferring to accelerate it somewhat smoothly instead of calculating the desired speed and going by that directly |
| 18:03.49 | NightHawkAtWork | hey! don't insult Kirov's balls. they're very nice. |
| 18:04.14 | foxlit | So I ended up with a weighed average of the previous frame's desired speed with the currently desired speed |
| 18:04.35 | Kirov | foxlit - really, you should download simple compass and use that |
| 18:04.50 | Kirov | It wobbles like a real compass when you turn. |
| 18:05.18 | foxlit | Noted, but wobbling is undesirable :) |
| 18:05.29 | Kirov | bah |
| 18:06.02 | foxlit | It's more gentle speed up -> gentle slow down at proper position, not wobbling. |
| 18:06.14 | foxlit | But anyhow, for an actual question |
| 18:06.49 | foxlit | The coefficients are arbitrary at the moment, which isn't a good idea considering varying frame rates |
| 18:07.23 | foxlit | I'd like to be able to determine them dynamically so that the pointer would reach a specific speed in a maximum of (arbitrary time quantity). |
| 18:08.38 | Cide | you should go for a linearly increasing acceleration |
| 18:09.02 | Cide | makes the mathematics simple |
| 18:09.23 | Kirov | If you want to do it such that it's consistent regardless of framerate, use a sine wave |
| 18:09.35 | Lunessa | NightHawkAtWork: I don't want to know why you're inspecting Kirov's balls. I mean, really what sort of channel do you think this is? |
| 18:10.03 | Cide | define consistent regardless of framerate? |
| 18:10.07 | Kirov | Lunessa - This is #kirovsBallsAreAwesome, what channel did you think it is? |
| 18:10.18 | Lunessa | ... |
| 18:10.34 | Cide | he's right. I looked up the inner workings of them. aweseome indeed. |
| 18:10.44 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:10.47 | Lunessa | hax |
| 18:11.16 | NightHawkAtWork | Cide speaks the truth |
| 18:11.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 18:11.57 | NightHawkAtWork | hey Tekkub... |
| 18:12.08 | Tekkub | murr |
| 18:12.15 | NightHawkAtWork | Not that I care, but I'm curious.. how did you find me on twitter? :P |
| 18:12.55 | Kirov | The problem with linear acceleration on update math is that framerate can greatly change how much time sometime takes to move from one location to another since each frame's movement is relative to the time elapsed and doesn't properly take in to account the increased accelleration over the distance it moves. |
| 18:13.00 | zenzelezz | a little bird told him |
| 18:14.11 | Cide | Kirov: not following. if you express a(t) = ax + b, and just integrate that with respect to time, you get velocity and position with respect to time |
| 18:14.17 | Kirov | You can get around that issue by doing proper exponential calculations, or you can break up every "OnUpdate" to discrete chunks of linear time to keep a consistent "frame rate" to the accelleration calculations, or you can use a sine wave or similar math. |
| 18:14.42 | Cide | I'm rusty tho |
| 18:15.01 | Cide | a(t) = at + b obviously |
| 18:16.31 | Cide | and then you choose a and b, integrate twice to get the position function, and just move it to that position along the line at time t |
| 18:17.05 | Kirov | Cide - and the variation of t changes the curve. |
| 18:17.23 | Kirov | Linear acceleration _requires_ equal time intervals to be correct. |
| 18:17.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Chompers (n=Chompers@cpc1-cove9-0-0-cust541.brhm.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:17.51 | foxlit | look correct, maybe |
| 18:18.09 | foxlit | but you could calculate position directly from acceleration without relying on your onupdates being called in perfectly shaped unit time intervals |
| 18:18.25 | cladhaire | PVP druid, scryer or aldor? |
| 18:18.26 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 18:18.51 | foxlit | What I'm thinking of is more like b = a +1; x' = ((((x * a + y) / b * a + y) / b * a + y) / b) * a + y) ... |
| 18:19.49 | foxlit | Assuming 0 <= x <= y, how many iterations of that the (x * a + y)/b does one need for x' to get sufficiently close to y |
| 18:20.30 | Lunessa | cladhaire: Scryer |
| 18:20.45 | cladhaire | why do you say that? |
| 18:21.02 | Lunessa | Spellpower trinket and staff |
| 18:21.20 | Lunessa | Leatherworking |
| 18:21.21 | foxlit | Obviously depends on a, which is a good thing - pick a based on current framerate so that you're reasonably certain that it'll occur within a desired time interval. |
| 18:21.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 18:21.56 | cladhaire | Lunessa: gonna be a healer |
| 18:22.11 | Lunessa | And, easier access to +rep items. |
| 18:22.19 | zenzelezz | PvP healer? |
| 18:22.20 | Lunessa | Well, in that case, it doesn't matter which. |
| 18:22.33 | Lunessa | Resto Druid in PvP = nightmare to opponents. |
| 18:22.54 | cladhaire | lol |
| 18:22.59 | cladhaire | and i'm a good healer :P |
| 18:23.04 | cladhaire | i prefer scryer |
| 18:23.07 | cladhaire | and big reason to go aldor? |
| 18:23.15 | Lunessa | So. Hard. To. Kill. |
| 18:23.31 | Lunessa | +healing enchants (until WoTLK) |
| 18:23.39 | zenzelezz | less red names in Shattrath |
| 18:23.59 | Kirov | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1323477/umbilical_brothers/ - awesome |
| 18:24.09 | Lunessa | After WotLK - the shoulder enchants are more or less the same. |
| 18:25.00 | Cide | Kirov: I don't see the problem tbh |
| 18:25.10 | Cide | but it was a while since I did this |
| 18:25.43 | cladhaire | k |
| 18:25.44 | cladhaire | scryer it is :P |
| 18:25.58 | Cide | are you assuming numerical integration of the acceleration function? that shouldn't be necessary when dealing with a polynomial |
| 18:26.33 | Cide | but I may indeed be missing something |
| 18:28.10 | Iriel | I think i'm with foxlit on this one |
| 18:28.30 | Iriel | if you're simulating ANY model of acceleration or whatever, as long as you can model it you can just integrate to get the distance for any period of time |
| 18:28.34 | Iriel | equal or not |
| 18:29.35 | zenzelezz | thus spake Iriel |
| 18:29.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-76-115-111-253.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 18:30.16 | Cide | Kirov: that's awesome btw (your link) |
| 18:30.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Jerek_Dain (n=JerekDai@75-168-221-87.mpls.qwest.net) |
| 18:35.11 | cog|work | I've always used 1/2 period of some variant on sin to handle smooth accel->smooth decel |
| 18:35.59 | Iriel | That's a convenient simulation of normal pendulum style motion |
| 18:40.32 | *** join/#wowuidev dafire (n=warlock@dslb-088-070-066-181.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:44.38 | *** join/#wowuidev DARKGuy (n=DARKGuy@201.211.54.110) |
| 18:45.22 | *** join/#wowuidev mitchnull (n=mitchnul@catv3ED27887.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 18:45.33 | *** part/#wowuidev DARKGuy (n=DARKGuy@201.211.54.110) |
| 18:56.49 | dafire | haste ? |
| 18:59.33 | zenzelezz | less speed, more haste! |
| 19:01.06 | Lopeppeppy | Don't let the bus slow down. |
| 19:01.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker- (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 19:02.18 | zenzelezz | for some reason that reminded me of Johnny Bravo |
| 19:02.55 | Anaral | AckisWork: Have their been any additions to either Alc or Engineering recipes in Beta yet? Both still will only show recipes upto 375, even though my mage does have eng 450. |
| 19:03.37 | AckisWork | Anaral: haven't started adding recipe info in yet really, just a few to test things out. Kagaro is doing up a very nice dataminer for me which I'm going to leverage |
| 19:03.57 | Anaral | Ah otay |
| 19:04.14 | AckisWork | basically I could add them in but it would all get deleted |
| 19:04.24 | *** join/#wowuidev ecs (n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia) |
| 19:06.12 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (i=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 19:07.25 | Bouvi | I totally hate USPS now. I could have walked to Atlanta and picked it up personally by now. Now I will not get the book till Monday or later. |
| 19:08.32 | Maldivia | hmm... time to fix my state headers... |
| 19:09.39 | Lopeppeppy | My package was shipped by POST, Bouvi... I don't even know for sure it exists! |
| 19:10.16 | Bouvi | It is all cladhaire's fault. Had he not put Richard on the front of his book (or put 1000+ pages full of addon goodness) I would not be in this situation. |
| 19:10.42 | cladhaire | guilty i guess? |
| 19:11.35 | Bouvi | Oh don't worry when I get it I am sure I will be praising you, but I will not sleep this weekend waiting on this book <- que the sorrowful music. |
| 19:14.28 | Bouvi | Let this be a lesson to you all when you go to buy the holy grail of addon coding: World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons DO NOT go with the cheap shipping. Get better shipping so you can have your book when you want it and not when the evil post office wants you to have it. |
| 19:15.17 | Lopeppeppy | Post offices are heinous evil brain sucking evil. |
| 19:15.17 | zenzelezz | isn't the difference in shipping costs usually minimal? At least it is in my experience |
| 19:20.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Xuerian (n=core@wireless-216-222-137-237.citizip.com) |
| 19:21.37 | Xuerian | Anyone here still have a copy of Gello's smooth statusbars? Or know of a uf mod that does that now.. |
| 19:23.22 | Bouvi | Well they threw FREE shipping at me. |
| 19:23.40 | Lopeppeppy | Next time, don't catch that, dear. |
| 19:24.27 | haste | dafire: |
| 19:24.30 | Bouvi | Yeah I should have dodged and said "No thanks, I will take blah blah." This is the first time Amazon shipped anything to me USPS on the Free shipping option. Always UPS in the past and I always had it in 2 days. |
| 19:27.31 | dafire | haste, I'm playing with your unitframes.. and currently I put something in my design that rescales the debuffs depending on the number of debuffs... since you already kinda count the currently shown debuffs I wanted to ask if you can store that in the object .9 |
| 19:27.45 | dafire | the number :9 |
| 19:28.34 | Kirov | Everyone knows Richard's plan is to destroy the world. |
| 19:28.40 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr |
| 19:28.45 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:28.46 | Kirov | cladhaire is obviously just trying to help. |
| 19:29.27 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug Gryphen |
| 19:29.28 | purl | ACTION jumps into Gryphen's lap and huggles and *hugs* Gryphen |
| 19:29.30 | Bouvi | FOR PONY!!!! |
| 19:29.37 | haste | dafire: how should that be solved for auras however? |
| 19:31.43 | dafire | hmm |
| 19:31.54 | dafire | if you have debuffs and buffs together ? |
| 19:32.24 | dafire | I'm just doing it for the target frame right now - http://www.pastey.net/93906 |
| 19:33.41 | haste | I can add something in about ~12 hours |
| 19:33.46 | Shirik|AFK | Lopeppeppy: Heinous evil brain sucking evil? |
| 19:33.51 | Shirik|AFK | that's pretty hardcore |
| 19:33.54 | dafire | thanks .9 |
| 19:35.14 | Rabbitbunny | bah... foiled by variable scope yet again. |
| 19:35.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Kemayo (n=kemayo@pool-71-104-204-65.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 19:35.43 | Rabbitbunny | 65g74s17c/h in stockades, now including durability loses. |
| 19:41.33 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I always go straight for the top. |
| 19:47.27 | ScytheBlade1 | "By offering 3000 more tickets, on top of the 4000 we had already added compared to last year, this year?s show will be approximately 90% bigger." |
| 19:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Suddenly their ticket sales issues make sense |
| 19:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://gaming.freedomblogging.com/2008/08/15/blizzard-responds-part-2-more-detail-into-ticket-snafu/ |
| 19:47.57 | ScytheBlade1 | "The issues that people faced were due to an incredible rush to purchase tickets. Last year we sold about two tickets per minute, selling out in 72 hours, and this year, with 50% more tickets available, we sold out in a combined total of 15 minutes." |
| 19:48.30 | zenzelezz | wow |
| 19:48.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Hjalte (n=chatzill@0x5730785f.svgnxx3.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 19:49.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-33-116.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 19:49.14 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 19:54.13 | Hirsute | lua>(2*60*72)/15 |
| 19:54.14 | lua_bot | Hirsute: 576 |
| 19:54.22 | Hirsute | That's a lot of tickets per minute |
| 19:54.28 | Hirsute | Oh waith, I messed up |
| 19:54.42 | Hirsute | lua>(2*60*72*1.5)/15 |
| 19:54.42 | lua_bot | Hirsute: 864 |
| 19:54.45 | Hirsute | Better. |
| 19:54.47 | Lunessa | Sheeesh. Some people should not be allowed to configure their own computer equipment. |
| 19:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | Agreed, Lunessa. |
| 19:55.52 | Lunessa | Just spent an hour fixing someone's wireless access... *headdesk* |
| 19:56.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (i=vschiu@adsl-75-52-240-240.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:56.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Wireless ftl. |
| 19:57.10 | alestane | WTB "Close Tag" command for TextWrangler. |
| 19:57.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Codayus (n=cody@even.the.kittens.hate-you.net) |
| 19:57.41 | zenzelezz | I like wireless... for mobile phones and remote controls. Not for computer stuff |
| 20:00.26 | Anaral | Um, I just got a patch for the beta? Is it a hot fix? |
| 20:01.04 | Esamynn | oh dear, I really hope they don't change their regular BlizzCon ticket sales for future cons to a lottery system |
| 20:01.42 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I like wireless for laptops/mobile machines. |
| 20:02.10 | Lopeppeppy | My new laptop must have wireless. That's the whole point to having her. |
| 20:02.15 | Esamynn | though, the tickets wouldn't have gone nearly that fast if the site had never gone down |
| 20:02.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Hot fixes by definition won't have a client side patch with it... |
| 20:02.50 | Anaral | I suppose that's true. |
| 20:04.49 | Anaral | Hmm, I either get stuck on the loading screen or get 'a character with that name already exists'... |
| 20:07.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Anaral: did you really get a client patch? What build number do you show? |
| 20:08.50 | Maldivia | there was a small patch for the battle.net-dll file |
| 20:08.58 | Anaral | It didn't show a new build number, which is what made me scratch my head. It was the client saying there was a patch availble loading to 100% I pressed restart and nothing happened. |
| 20:09.15 | erikd | are you running vista? |
| 20:09.19 | erikd | i had a problem like that |
| 20:09.39 | Maldivia | it's not a client patch, it's a patch for the battle.net.dll file, that's why it was so fast to patch :) |
| 20:10.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Kazie (n=k@1309ds1-vg.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 20:15.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Jerek__Dain (n=JerekDai@75-168-221-87.mpls.qwest.net) |
| 20:15.48 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 20:16.59 | Hirsute | Well, whatever it was, I, too am stuck with a full loading bar on the loading screen. |
| 20:18.07 | Anaral | I give up for now. Maybe it'll be better in an hour. |
| 20:24.39 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.30.131) |
| 20:38.26 | *** part/#wowuidev mitchnull (n=mitchnul@catv3ED27887.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 20:39.44 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (i=188aea6e@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 20:39.44 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 20:45.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Kazie (n=k@1309ds1-vg.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 20:51.23 | Lunessa | In the beginning this land was green and good, until the Crystal cracked. |
| 20:51.34 | [dRaCo] | and then? |
| 20:52.14 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (i=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 20:52.25 | durcyn | and then we rocked out to the crystal method, [dRaCo], obviously. |
| 20:52.46 | [dRaCo] | oh. of course. |
| 20:54.29 | Lunessa | Obviously. |
| 20:54.56 | Lunessa | Once more they will replenish themselves; cheat death again! |
| 20:58.52 | Lunessa | Oh man, can't find any of my Crystal Method CDs here in the office, and I didn't rip it to Itunes on any of these machines. I must console myself with Lords of Acid. |
| 20:59.52 | [dRaCo] | I've been looking for this one song from them which they used as intro for "Bones" |
| 21:00.09 | [dRaCo] | but they didnt release it :/ |
| 21:00.34 | Lunessa | Yes they did, i have it on CD somewhere. I'm sure of it. |
| 21:00.47 | [dRaCo] | they did? |
| 21:00.47 | Kirov | Lunessa - pandora? |
| 21:01.08 | Kirov | (ie: pandora.com to listen to music) |
| 21:01.22 | [dRaCo] | *checks their website* |
| 21:02.08 | durcyn | http://www.last.fm/music/The+Crystal+Method/_/Trip+Like+I+Do?autostart |
| 21:02.23 | Kirov | http://www.last.fm/music/The+Crystal+Method/_/Busy+Child |
| 21:02.32 | [dRaCo] | it's called "Created" according to wikipedia |
| 21:02.41 | [dRaCo] | can't find it on any of their records |
| 21:02.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 21:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I could use some of that stuff.. |
| 21:03.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know if I have it around anymore :( |
| 21:04.04 | Kirov | hmm |
| 21:04.34 | Kirov | I've listened to Vegas about a billion times, and the theme song to Bones is definately not on there |
| 21:06.13 | Tem | so, I keep running across some QQ about exp required to level. |
| 21:06.15 | Kirov | The song is on iTunes though |
| 21:06.15 | Tem | what's that about? |
| 21:06.31 | Kirov | Tem - it's about people who never played the game pre BC |
| 21:07.10 | Tem | ? |
| 21:07.31 | Kirov | Game time 0-60 pre BC, 40 days played. |
| 21:07.31 | Kirov | Game time 0-70 post BC, 11 days played. |
| 21:07.40 | Iriel | I dont recognise the song from anywhere, though the style is absolutely crystal method |
| 21:08.05 | Tem | Kirov: so.... |
| 21:08.08 | Iriel | You could try and extract the audio from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5sSTWshP2E |
| 21:08.11 | Tem | Kirov: what did they change? |
| 21:08.20 | Kirov | Tem - so they added 70-80. :P |
| 21:08.24 | [dRaCo] | german wikipedia lists it as "Created", the english wikipedia just says "intro performed and created by" |
| 21:08.33 | Lunessa | Kiriov they did more albums. I have like a dozen CD's and some bootlegs. I'll see if I can find it for you later. |
| 21:08.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ~seen Shirik |
| 21:09.14 | purl | shirik <n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 10h 28m ago, saying: 'so bye'. |
| 21:09.14 | Tem | Kirov: did the exp required to level from 70-80 just change and that's what people are bitching about? |
| 21:09.14 | Lunessa | Yes, it changed in the last build. |
| 21:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: yes, +80% req |
| 21:09.14 | Tem | I'm looking forward to playing my DK some this weekend and I expect I'll get him near to 70 |
| 21:09.19 | Tem | that seems rather um.. |
| 21:09.21 | Tem | drastic? |
| 21:09.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Kind of |
| 21:09.34 | Dashkal | It was a touch low before, now it's excessively high |
| 21:09.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I doubt it was intended for people to level to 77 by skipping four zones |
| 21:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | (As I did) |
| 21:09.49 | Tem | right |
| 21:09.50 | Kirov | They did this last beta though. |
| 21:10.13 | Dashkal | If I remember correctly, you're supposed to be able to skip all of one of the two starters, but not the rest? |
| 21:10.17 | Tem | but people are saying things like "I have to do every quest in every zone available just to hit 77!!" |
| 21:10.25 | Kirov | The required XP to go from 60-70 changed multiple times, going from rediculously easy, to stupidly hard, to what we have now. |
| 21:10.35 | Tem | yeah that's fine |
| 21:10.52 | Tem | I'm looking forward to leveling my DK this weekend |
| 21:10.59 | Tem | but he probably won't cross 70 |
| 21:11.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirov: and to what we have now --> beta state, with a 20% reduction |
| 21:11.12 | Tem | (currently stuck in Strath) |
| 21:11.14 | Tem | (dead) |
| 21:11.20 | Dashkal | I rather hope they save, say, icecrown for already being 80 so you have at least one zone for cash |
| 21:11.37 | Tem | so I bet there will be another patch before I get to 70 |
| 21:11.39 | Kirov | Doing every quest in every zone to level is far better that the Pre BC days of "do every quest available and still need to grind the last 5 levels" |
| 21:11.57 | Tem | Kirov: I never, ever, had to grind levels |
| 21:12.10 | Iriel | Neither have I |
| 21:12.16 | Iriel | I do quests and enjoy myself |
| 21:12.24 | Iriel | and in BC, I have plenty of quests to spare |
| 21:12.31 | Kirov | Well, I should probably quantify that some. |
| 21:12.43 | Tem | it took me 30 days of played time to hit 60. However, I estimate that I spent around 10-15 days of that time dueling and writing addons |
| 21:12.46 | Kirov | My fiancee is a min-maxer and got tired of how long it took to level via quests pre BC. |
| 21:13.02 | Kirov | She figured out if she farmed in a certain spot she could get to 60 in half the time. |
| 21:13.24 | Iriel | I guess if you dont enjoy the story and are in a rush it's different |
| 21:13.27 | Dashkal | Vanilla had far too many world traveler type quests |
| 21:13.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller (n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 21:13.33 | Iriel | but it's not like yo uHAVE to grind because you can't get there any other way |
| 21:13.47 | Tem | Dashkal: I agree, but I was a mage. So it wasn't that much of a problem |
| 21:13.54 | Tem | except for Tabetha. Fuck her. |
| 21:14.02 | Iriel | yeah, such a bitch |
| 21:14.07 | Tem | I don't want to go to your damn house every again. |
| 21:14.09 | Tem | Leave me alone |
| 21:14.16 | Lunessa | I HATE HER SO MUCH |
| 21:14.17 | Dashkal | Druid/Gnomish Engineer. Traveling wasn't too bad for me either |
| 21:14.18 | Iriel | 'come find me in this stupd swamp, then go do something about as far away as I can think' |
| 21:14.18 | Kirov | What about Molten Core. |
| 21:14.19 | Tem | s/every/ever/ |
| 21:14.22 | Dashkal | I just hearthed in Menethil |
| 21:14.26 | Iriel | at least they put it on the map, finally |
| 21:14.29 | Kirov | fucking vials |
| 21:14.38 | Tem | Kirov: oh go d |
| 21:14.47 | Tem | I remember when they added the everlasting vial |
| 21:14.54 | Tem | people were so happy |
| 21:14.59 | Kirov | I stopped doing Molten Core a week before they added that |
| 21:15.04 | Tem | lol |
| 21:15.05 | Lunessa | Heh. |
| 21:15.09 | Tem | I think we might have too |
| 21:15.12 | Tem | I don't remember, though |
| 21:15.26 | Lunessa | the "new" Dust Wallow has a bunch more Tabetha stuff. |
| 21:15.41 | Tem | the new dust wallow has a flight point near her |
| 21:15.50 | Lunessa | Yes. So true. |
| 21:16.00 | Tem | also, there's Teleport: Theramore now |
| 21:16.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Cralor` (i=62d8db99@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-89aca9270cf5352b) |
| 21:16.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually didn't have a problem finding her |
| 21:16.03 | Dashkal | And of course a teleport right about the level you need to talk to her |
| 21:16.10 | ScytheBlade1 | My first character, my mage, was told to find her |
| 21:16.11 | Kirov | I remember bitching to someone about those and they were like, "oh yeah, I remember doing that. I only did it once though." "Once" "Yeah, you didn't keep the vial after you used it?" "... fuck you!" |
| 21:16.12 | Tem | oh how I wish that spell existed back then |
| 21:16.24 | ScytheBlade1 | And somehow I walked right to her despite being ~7-10 levels too low for the zone |
| 21:16.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Found her no problem |
| 21:16.44 | Lunessa | And as for XP changes, I hit 77 doing all of Howling Fijord and Borean Tundra and some Dragon Blight. It was too easy to get there, but they have swung to "too hard" now. |
| 21:16.51 | Tem | ScytheBlade1: you are one in a million |
| 21:16.51 | Kirov | My mage has never been to Tabetha |
| 21:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: why thanks! <3 |
| 21:17.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 21:17.07 | Tem | =P |
| 21:17.22 | Tem | I died to crocks more times in that zone than I want to think about |
| 21:17.50 | Dashkal | I'm just glad they got rid of the death run through the wetlands |
| 21:17.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. Mage. Frost nova + blink |
| 21:17.56 | Lunessa | Heh, at launch I was trying to do the level 20 'lock quest for the succubus - PVP server and on my way to the barrens. Someone said Go the short way through Dust Wallow. |
| 21:18.03 | Lunessa | Hate them SO MUCH. |
| 21:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | If you died to the crocks then you fail at mage terribly |
| 21:18.18 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl @ Lunessa |
| 21:18.19 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 21:18.30 | Lunessa | I was killed over 50 times on my way there. |
| 21:18.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I believe it |
| 21:18.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (Also check your e-mail) |
| 21:19.31 | Kirov | btw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5sSTWshP2E complete theme song from bones. |
| 21:19.38 | *** part/#wowuidev alestane (n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 21:20.39 | Lunessa | (checking) |
| 21:22.30 | Lunessa | Kirov - says it's on iTunes. |
| 21:22.46 | Tem | ScytheBlade1: when you're underlevel the crocks resist frost nova quite a bit |
| 21:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: I was 7-10 levels underlevel! No deaths! |
| 21:23.07 | Tem | ~die ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:23.08 | purl | ACTION murders ScytheBlade1, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless... |
| 21:23.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Nargiddley (n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 21:23.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I was also specced arcane at the time |
| 21:23.27 | ScytheBlade1 | And this was when Evoc was talented |
| 21:23.36 | Tem | hehe yeah, me too |
| 21:23.43 | Tem | I was 21ish points into arcane |
| 21:23.51 | Tem | I hated AP, even then |
| 21:23.58 | Kirov | I'm so glad evocate and ice block are no longer talents. |
| 21:23.59 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 21:24.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I leveled to 60 as arcane |
| 21:24.12 | ScytheBlade1 | In retrospect, I was also brain dead |
| 21:24.15 | Tem | Kirov: I still think ice block base is a bad idea |
| 21:24.33 | Tem | I like icy veins |
| 21:24.41 | Kirov | So do I. |
| 21:24.46 | Kirov | < fire mage |
| 21:24.53 | Tem | but I don't like all mages having block |
| 21:25.17 | Kirov | I'll probably rejiger my spec to include icy and cold snap while still fire. |
| 21:25.32 | Tem | for leveling? |
| 21:25.32 | Kirov | mmm... two trinket icy |
| 21:25.38 | Kirov | raid |
| 21:25.45 | Tem | you mean LK, yes? |
| 21:25.57 | Kirov | LK? |
| 21:26.02 | erikd | wotlk |
| 21:26.02 | Tem | lich king |
| 21:26.10 | Kirov | No, current. |
| 21:26.15 | Tem | ... |
| 21:26.27 | Kirov | Lol, what? |
| 21:26.30 | Tem | 2/48/11 |
| 21:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I have a guildied who did the same |
| 21:26.32 | Tem | spec it |
| 21:26.33 | Tem | like it |
| 21:26.43 | ScytheBlade1 | We have yet to get a good fight to test it though |
| 21:27.22 | Kirov | Tem - good spec for entry BT, 0/40/21 is better for end BT start Sunwell |
| 21:27.52 | erikd | i use 0/0/61 |
| 21:27.58 | erikd | but i'm a resto druid :) |
| 21:28.02 | Kirov | sk gaming mages all use 0/40/21 |
| 21:28.50 | Thunder_Child | i use 51/51/51 |
| 21:28.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Neuro_Medivh (n=neuro@pool-96-226-60-59.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:28.59 | erikd | impressive |
| 21:29.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: you too should check your e-mail |
| 21:29.03 | Tem | Kirov: I find that highly irregular |
| 21:29.03 | Kirov | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Echo+Isles&n=Kerova - my current bizzaro spec. |
| 21:29.45 | Tem | your current spec looks fine to me |
| 21:30.01 | Kirov | A few extra points in Ice for The Eye and Illidan |
| 21:30.10 | Tem | *nod* |
| 21:30.18 | Tem | though, I like Dragon's Breath too much to give it up |
| 21:30.27 | Kirov | Though sometimes I do miss Dragon's breath. |
| 21:30.30 | erikd | you kill illidan and still do the eye? |
| 21:30.40 | Kirov | erikd - don't do either at the moment, actually. |
| 21:30.49 | erikd | ah |
| 21:30.49 | Cide | THEN WHAT GOOD ARE YOU? |
| 21:30.50 | Cide | .. |
| 21:30.53 | Tem | I really haven't raided enough on my mage, though to really know if 0/40/21 is viable |
| 21:31.20 | erikd | i don't have a mage leveled =/ |
| 21:31.21 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, you're link fails in every way |
| 21:31.25 | Thunder_Child | your* |
| 21:31.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, lol @ Zero Punctuation |
| 21:31.44 | ScytheBlade1 | "Never stick your dick in a pudding. It might still be good pudding, and you can spend all afternoon explaining that, but no one is going to eat it BECAUSE YOU STUCK YOUR DICK IN IT!" |
| 21:31.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Most vulgar but perfectly placed line EVER |
| 21:32.04 | Tem | I've been raiding as a resto druid lately |
| 21:32.11 | Tem | so I'm losing touch with maging |
| 21:32.15 | erikd | ^ |
| 21:32.27 | Tem | 0/0/61 lawl |
| 21:32.27 | erikd | i love raiding resto |
| 21:32.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: scorch --> fireball spam --> hit the trinkets every so often and you're good |
| 21:32.41 | Tem | I can't say I dislike raiding as resto |
| 21:32.47 | Neuro_Medivh | scythe, did you see todays xkcd? Somehow, your comment reminds me of that |
| 21:32.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol I did |
| 21:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's also awesome |
| 21:32.59 | Tem | but it depresses me to see how bad the other healers in my guild are |
| 21:33.02 | Lunessa | linkzors... |
| 21:33.05 | Tem | I am consistently #1 heals |
| 21:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Sec |
| 21:33.11 | Tem | and all I do is lifebloom spam |
| 21:33.14 | erikd | do you bring resto shaman? |
| 21:33.19 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/183-Prince-of-Persia-Retrospective |
| 21:33.21 | erikd | shamen* |
| 21:33.21 | Tem | 2 sometimes 3 |
| 21:33.22 | *** join/#wowuidev gramg (i=dmangus@c-67-169-221-67.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 21:33.23 | Neuro_Medivh | Tem... in most guilds, you can replace "healers" with "players" |
| 21:33.36 | erikd | how many coh priests? |
| 21:33.43 | Tem | 2ish |
| 21:33.48 | Tem | and one of them usually keeps up with me |
| 21:33.56 | Tem | in BT trash, he usually beats me |
| 21:34.05 | erikd | 1 druid and ~2 pallies? |
| 21:34.06 | Neuro_Medivh | lemme ask you, Tem, how much PVP do you do? Or did you do? |
| 21:34.13 | Lunessa | Heh... I'm sure the guys who went with me to nexus, a-nerub, and the rest the other night thought I was a "suck" healer too. I must have lost Aundin like 20 times. |
| 21:34.15 | Tem | I don't pvp anymore |
| 21:34.21 | Tem | the state of the mage has ruined pvp for me |
| 21:34.28 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, previously, did you pvp a decent amount? |
| 21:34.33 | Tem | I did |
| 21:34.39 | erikd | oh, that's right. you guys are in beta on pve alliance right? |
| 21:35.00 | Tem | I got to 1860ish in seasons 1 and 2 |
| 21:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | The general vast majority of us, yes |
| 21:35.05 | Tem | but I never broke 1838 in S3 |
| 21:35.06 | Neuro_Medivh | the one thing I've learned is that PvP makes you better at PvE raiding |
| 21:35.20 | erikd | any room for an invite to a non developer who wants a beta home? :P |
| 21:35.20 | Neuro_Medivh | because it teaches you the one thing that you can't learn otherwise: Situational Awareness |
| 21:35.24 | Tem | I haven't pvp'd since the night we hit 1838 and then lost 14 games in a row, though |
| 21:35.39 | ScytheBlade1 | erikd: probably. /who Secure Templars |
| 21:35.40 | Aiiane | ouch |
| 21:35.42 | ScytheBlade1 | (I'm not online now) |
| 21:35.50 | erikd | yeah, i'm at work atm |
| 21:35.57 | erikd | i'll check when i get on tonight |
| 21:35.58 | Tem | My mage has 4790 arena points |
| 21:36.03 | Neuro_Medivh | erikd, just be prepared for a lot of code talk =) |
| 21:36.22 | erikd | that'd be a good thing, i want to get into ui dev |
| 21:36.31 | Tem | anyway, what makes me sad the most is this fact: |
| 21:36.38 | erikd | just never had an idea for a mod that wasn't made yet |
| 21:36.40 | Tem | until a month ago, I had never healed before |
| 21:36.44 | Tem | I was feral all the way to 70 |
| 21:36.49 | Tem | and I tanked for a while |
| 21:36.59 | Tem | my resto gear was terrible |
| 21:37.13 | Tem | but first night EVER HEALING EVER I'm #1 in Mount Hyjal |
| 21:37.18 | Neuro_Medivh | I hate healing.. I have a decent T5 resto set for my shaman |
| 21:37.22 | Tem | like... really? |
| 21:37.23 | Tem | wtf? |
| 21:37.27 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, you play a resto druid |
| 21:37.32 | Neuro_Medivh | those guys always top the heal charts |
| 21:37.36 | erikd | i've been raiding as resto for... probably 2.5 years |
| 21:37.37 | Neuro_Medivh | cause they LB spam |
| 21:37.43 | erikd | neuro: depends on the raid comp |
| 21:37.48 | Tem | Shaman healing in easy steps: |
| 21:37.54 | Tem | 1) Bind Chain Heal to every button |
| 21:37.58 | Tem | 2) Roll Face on keyboard |
| 21:38.10 | erikd | we bring 2-3 resto shaman and i'll be damned if i can beat them on meters |
| 21:38.14 | Tem | That's it! |
| 21:38.19 | Neuro_Medivh | see, I disagree... I always used Clique to heal |
| 21:38.27 | Neuro_Medivh | right-click picture = CHAIN HEAL! |
| 21:38.33 | erikd | once a shaman gets max haste they're going to rock the meters |
| 21:38.34 | Neuro_Medivh | well, right-click raid frame |
| 21:38.54 | Neuro_Medivh | I do not look forward to Spirit-Linked resto shaman in pvp |
| 21:38.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Mooninaut_ (n=Mooninau@75-25-130-215.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:39.10 | Tem | okay, it's 4:30 and I haven't eaten lunch yet |
| 21:39.26 | erikd | i played one of our inactive shamans for twins last night and i was amazed at how big of a difference haste makes compared to my kara geared shaman |
| 21:39.51 | Tem | I have a haste set |
| 21:39.53 | Neuro_Medivh | wtf, there was a patch? |
| 21:40.02 | Tem | but even with 130 haste I can't tell the difference |
| 21:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Neuro_Medivh: a small patch that didn't change the build number |
| 21:40.33 | Neuro_Medivh | ah.. mount fix? |
| 21:40.33 | erikd | shaman or druid? i thought you were raiding on the druid? |
| 21:40.37 | Tem | druid |
| 21:40.44 | erikd | oh, yeah |
| 21:40.53 | erikd | you'll have to really stack haste to make a difference |
| 21:40.59 | erikd | i meant haste on resto shamen |
| 21:41.01 | Tem | LOL HT IS A 2.86s CAST |
| 21:41.18 | Tem | anyway, I'm out |
| 21:41.20 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.24 | erikd | later! |
| 21:42.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 21:46.59 | ReAn | anyone else having trouble with Cartographer3 in WotLK Beta? |
| 21:48.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Mooninaut_ (n=Mooninau@75-25-130-215.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:48.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi (n=Bibi@unaffiliated/bibi) |
| 21:48.49 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Bibi] by ChanServ |
| 21:50.23 | erikd | where exactly did the SavedVariables directory go in wotlk? I was going to copy my druid's outfitter sets to the beta but i couldn't find where to put it |
| 21:51.21 | Gnarfoz | exact same place as before |
| 21:51.35 | Gnarfoz | ... you're not on vista, by /any/ chance? ;p |
| 21:51.50 | dafire | wotlk is stored in c:\users\public by default now i think |
| 21:52.08 | dafire | C:\Users\Public\Games\Wrath of the Lich King Beta |
| 21:52.14 | Hirsute | Aaand... Northrend server needs to come back up. |
| 21:52.28 | erikd | yeah, i did look in there but I had a SavedVariables.lua instead of a directory |
| 21:52.38 | Hirsute | and stop disconnecting me when I select it. |
| 21:52.53 | dafire | you should have both |
| 21:53.06 | dafire | the lua file and directory |
| 21:53.38 | erikd | i don't =/ |
| 21:53.52 | Gnarfoz | did you log in already? |
| 21:53.58 | Gnarfoz | with an addon that uses saved variables? |
| 21:54.01 | erikd | c:\users\public\games\wotlk\wtf\account\email\server\char\ |
| 21:54.10 | erikd | yeah, i set up an outfit in outfitter |
| 21:54.33 | Hjalte | clad|sleep: Right now, when using DTK for eg. a healing set, and neither of my two eg. necks match any filters, how does it then choose? |
| 21:54.37 | Gnarfoz | just win+f "Outfitter.lua" ;> |
| 21:54.38 | Anaral | Outfitter seems to not work quite yet. |
| 21:54.59 | Gnarfoz | ItemRack, as usual, does! :D |
| 21:55.06 | Anaral | Once I actually got something to show in the frame, it wouldn't auto swap outfits. |
| 21:55.38 | Anaral | I don't like ItemRack |
| 21:55.44 | Anaral | Too much set up. |
| 21:55.45 | erikd | it was working great for me last night, i had a standard and riding outfit for my DK |
| 21:56.08 | erikd | are you using http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=10297 |
| 21:57.07 | Gnarfoz | too much to set up? xD what's there to set up :D |
| 21:57.33 | Anaral | erikd Yes. |
| 21:57.53 | NightHawkAtWork | ItemRack is too much to set up? o_0 it's probably one of the easiest configs for a gear set mod i've seen |
| 21:59.49 | erikd | i used to use itemrack in vanilla wow but when tbc came out there was a rewrite or something that took away the hide helm/cloak based on set so i switched to outfitter |
| 21:59.56 | erikd | i had a REALLY UGLY helm |
| 21:59.58 | erikd | i couldn't wait |
| 21:59.59 | erikd | :) |
| 22:00.22 | NightHawkAtWork | I just use HatTrick to show/hide my helm when i feel like it. :P |
| 22:00.36 | Anaral | I like that Outfitter blends into the ui better. Yeah it's a shallow reason, but hey. :D |
| 22:00.53 | NightHawkAtWork | perfectly valid reason, though *shrug* |
| 22:01.39 | Dashkal | erikd: Erm? Those options (hide/show) are still there |
| 22:02.04 | Dashkal | oh I see, waiting for it to return |
| 22:02.22 | Industrial | so my lock got level 50 and I got a felguard |
| 22:02.35 | Industrial | im still in shadowpower gear, no sta or int at all. |
| 22:02.40 | Industrial | this is boooooring |
| 22:02.52 | Industrial | can I pump the pet dps a bit with other gear or something? :| |
| 22:02.59 | Industrial | it sos slow... |
| 22:03.02 | Industrial | -s |
| 22:03.08 | erikd | i'll probably move back to itemrack if it does everything i want again |
| 22:03.17 | erikd | does it still have a switch in/out of bank? |
| 22:03.28 | Industrial | in my affliction gear I have 180 shadowpower (at level 50) |
| 22:03.43 | Industrial | pretty much dot a mob and its guaranteed dead :p |
| 22:04.24 | Industrial | no locky's around? :( dunno what to do |
| 22:04.40 | Xuerian | Industrial: Screw demo till 60 |
| 22:04.44 | Xuerian | srsly |
| 22:05.23 | Industrial | http://boulderfist-eu.warcrafter.net/Oathbreaker |
| 22:05.25 | Hjalte | Industrial: spell power translates to attack power for your puppy |
| 22:05.30 | ReAn | Industrial: Screw Demo 100% |
| 22:05.32 | Gnarfoz | erikd: yeah, it does |
| 22:05.35 | Hjalte | Industrial: I used my felguard at 50 and up and I loved it. |
| 22:05.39 | ReAn | Affliction 1-70 baby! |
| 22:05.45 | Xuerian | ReAn: Agreed |
| 22:05.57 | Industrial | Hjalte: its so slow :P I cant even kill 3 mobs at once =D cant believe im saying this |
| 22:05.58 | erikd | sounds like i'll be using itemrack for wotlk then! |
| 22:06.06 | Gnarfoz | erikd: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10175-ItemRackWotLK.html (or: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4148-ItemRack.html ) |
| 22:06.06 | NeoTron | demo is def better 60+ |
| 22:06.16 | NeoTron | felguard at 50 isn't very exciting since he's missing abiltiies |
| 22:06.18 | ReAn | NeoTron: Not a chance |
| 22:06.22 | ReAn | Drain Tanking |
| 22:06.26 | NeoTron | I meant |
| 22:06.27 | ReAn | = 0 downtime |
| 22:06.33 | Hjalte | Industrial: I just like having a pet. It does give an incredible advantage in some situations. |
| 22:06.39 | NeoTron | demo spec at 50 is not good. demo spec at 60 is |
| 22:06.41 | NeoTron | I didbn't compare it to affliction |
| 22:06.42 | erikd | gnarfoz: thanks much :) |
| 22:06.42 | NeoTron | just to itself |
| 22:06.48 | ccox | hmm, outfitter is working well for me in LK |
| 22:06.56 | NeoTron | also demo at 70 is pretty good (wotlk) since you never actually have to heal the pet |
| 22:07.06 | ReAn | well yea |
| 22:07.08 | Gnarfoz | erikd: sure, I like it so much, I keep recommending it to people ;> |
| 22:07.10 | ReAn | it's alright @ 70 |
| 22:07.13 | ReAn | but |
| 22:07.17 | ReAn | afflic is the ultimate all-rounder |
| 22:07.33 | ReAn | no mana issues, no health issues, you have an easy way to replensih both while fighting |
| 22:07.39 | ReAn | you just keep going and going and going |
| 22:07.51 | Industrial | right now I end up with more health/mana then I started when I kill a single mob but I only have 2k hp |
| 22:08.03 | Xuerian | That's all you need really |
| 22:08.06 | Industrial | and like I said a mob dies if I just dot it and fear it |
| 22:08.07 | Anaral | Well all I need outfitter to do in beta right now is equip my Charm of Swift Flight. And it won't. :/ |
| 22:08.18 | Industrial | well, back to affliction then |
| 22:08.25 | ReAn | Industrial: If you're bored, go afflic, it's more involved (solo) but super easy |
| 22:08.34 | Xuerian | Industrial: If you want to, go demo at 60 |
| 22:08.35 | ccox | anaral - oh, well |
| 22:08.38 | Xuerian | more felguard abilities |
| 22:08.40 | Xuerian | time to get diff gear |
| 22:08.57 | Hjalte | NeoTron: Have you tried Destruction with imp? I was quite impressed when doing Utgarde Keep. I had a 46% incinerate crit rate average when finishing the last boss of the instance, only 32% or so is from gear + talents. |
| 22:09.42 | Hirsute | So who in Secure Templars can send an invite? |
| 22:09.45 | Industrial | Do I need unstable affliction damage wise? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMriRfzqtb |
| 22:10.01 | Xuerian | Indy, if you're going aff, get UA |
| 22:10.04 | Diao | if you're full aff why would you not get UA |
| 22:10.10 | Diao | it's a free damage spell that only takes 1 gcd :o |
| 22:10.12 | Lunessa | Hirsute: Anyone over initiate. |
| 22:10.41 | Lunessa | Ok, time to go home for the weekend. |
| 22:10.55 | Lunessa | See you guys in-game or something... |
| 22:10.58 | Industrial | Xuerian: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMriRfzqtbobxcZVL ? |
| 22:11.00 | Hirsute | Have fun Lunessa |
| 22:13.33 | *** part/#wowuidev Cralor` (i=62d8db99@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-89aca9270cf5352b) |
| 22:13.46 | *** join/#wowuidev AlexanderYoshi (i=c64a263b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f180202e33a9e8f9) |
| 22:13.46 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o AlexanderYoshi] by ChanServ |
| 22:16.20 | Corrodias | is diablo 3 out yet? |
| 22:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? |
| 22:16.36 | cbreak | ah, finally, after all those hours I could log in |
| 22:16.44 | Dashkal | Corrodias: Yes, and it's awesome |
| 22:18.31 | Xuerian | Industrial: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMriRdkqtbo |
| 22:18.37 | Xuerian | Should be there at 50 |
| 22:19.38 | Xuerian | Industrial: PvP or Pve at 70? |
| 22:20.11 | Corrodias | PvW: player versus world! take on kael'thas and 40 opposing players at the same time. |
| 22:20.19 | Xuerian | Lol |
| 22:20.20 | Industrial | Xuerian: you mean, at 80? =) |
| 22:20.23 | Corrodias | yes, you are outnumbered! |
| 22:20.28 | Xuerian | Ah, on beta? |
| 22:20.34 | Industrial | not yet, hes 50 now |
| 22:20.39 | Xuerian | You can make it to 70 easily |
| 22:20.45 | Industrial | but I guess ill get it 70 before wotlk so |
| 22:20.55 | Xuerian | Mayaswell just wait there though |
| 22:20.56 | Corrodias | did they make sporebats and other previously-useless pets useful? |
| 22:21.01 | Xuerian | no point really grinding for gear now |
| 22:21.22 | Industrial | Corrodias: i think so |
| 22:21.29 | Xuerian | buh? |
| 22:21.35 | Xuerian | oh, hunters |
| 22:21.37 | Industrial | Corrodias: ability wise they all fall into one of three talent trees |
| 22:21.57 | Industrial | and family wise they still have bonuses |
| 22:22.06 | Industrial | so within the talent trees you can choose |
| 22:22.22 | Industrial | personally i have a BIG AWESOME WORM WITH JAWS .. but thats your choice. |
| 22:22.22 | Corrodias | back when i played, sporebats for example had no damage abilities |
| 22:22.33 | Corrodias | they were quite... unimpressive |
| 22:22.37 | Industrial | yes :p |
| 22:23.13 | Industrial | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/ |
| 22:23.16 | Industrial | check the wotlk section |
| 22:23.29 | Industrial | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/images/skin_pix/jormungarskinpurple.jpg |
| 22:23.32 | Industrial | I named him Fred. |
| 22:23.53 | Kirov | Looks like a fred |
| 22:24.08 | Corrodias | whoa, lots of changes |
| 22:24.18 | Corrodias | okay, i won't get into it deeper; i was just curious |
| 22:24.52 | Industrial | Kirov: hes hairy and will spit at you from a distance and .. definately bite you up close =D |
| 22:25.18 | Industrial | actually he has a poison spit attack that lowers your armor and does some damage for 30 secs :) |
| 22:26.16 | Industrial | and hes a tank pet meaning he does 20% more threat on his growls + 10% of his happiness (but I dont know if that refers to doing threat or getting happier per attack...) |
| 22:27.27 | Industrial | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=53179 |
| 22:29.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Slackwise (n=Lance@c-67-162-1-10.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 22:29.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi` (n=Bibi@unaffiliated/bibi) |
| 22:29.08 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Bibi`] by ChanServ |
| 22:32.11 | *** join/#wowuidev dabujo (i=xx@p4FDB2136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:33.39 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5383650478&postId=53828771602&sid=1#0 <-wait wat? |
| 22:34.28 | cbreak | 3315 mana per arcane blast... :( |
| 22:34.35 | *** join/#wowuidev leethal (n=leethal@cm-84.215.134.225.getinternet.no) |
| 22:34.54 | Xuerian | Fisker-: True unless he wants to play on both at the same time... |
| 22:34.56 | Kirov | Fisker- - ".. as long as you don't want to play both characters at the same time" is missing |
| 22:35.29 | Kirov | cbreak - so, you can cast it 3 times, just enough to empty your mana bar? |
| 22:35.44 | cbreak | the first cast only costs 1100 mana or so |
| 22:36.01 | Kirov | "only" |
| 22:36.33 | cbreak | but it hits for almost 1k damage :) |
| 22:36.57 | Fisker- | also he's accountsharing Xuerian :D |
| 22:37.31 | leethal | where's that thread on the beta keys? |
| 22:39.03 | leethal | hmm, found it. Any status somewhere on when the next batch is getting delivered to blizz? |
| 22:39.24 | cbreak | I think getting a beta key is easier than actually logging in :/ |
| 22:39.34 | leethal | =P |
| 22:40.18 | *** join/#wowuidev gramg_ (i=dmangus@c-67-169-221-67.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 22:40.22 | Kirov | cbreak - My current mage, not speced to arcane and w/ the tier bonus hits for almost 1k w/ arcane blast. |
| 22:40.30 | Kirov | and for substantially less mana |
| 22:40.38 | leethal | I recall someone saying friday-ish |
| 22:40.52 | Kirov | I really don't understand the mage changes in 3.0 |
| 22:41.03 | cbreak | my level 75 clone mage hits for 1.7k damage with arcane blast |
| 22:41.14 | cbreak | but the base damage is slightly less than 1k |
| 22:42.09 | cbreak | I really hope it's a bug :) |
| 22:43.51 | cbreak | argh! the default UI can't even display how much mana I have. Or I haven't found out how :( |
| 22:44.48 | leethal | beta ftw, rawr |
| 22:45.25 | Kirov | wha, huh? |
| 22:45.32 | Kirov | How can you not see how much mana you have? |
| 22:45.45 | Anaral | cbreak: Goto Interface > Status Text |
| 22:45.51 | Anaral | Check player |
| 22:46.03 | Anaral | click Okay. |
| 22:46.06 | Anaral | ;) |
| 22:46.43 | cbreak | for some reason I had "Percentages" checked. big mistake... thanks :) |
| 22:47.32 | Iriel | Now write on th eboard, 20 times, "I will not criticize the blizzard UI when I am in fact a n00b" |
| 22:47.45 | cbreak | nah. it sucks anyway :) |
| 22:47.58 | Anaral | The unit frames do indeed. |
| 22:48.38 | ckknight | lua> ("I will not criticize the blizzard UI when I am in fact a n00b\n"):rep(20) |
| 22:48.38 | lua_bot | ckknight: I will not criticize the blizzard UI when I am in fact a n00bI will not criticize the blizzard UI when I am in fact a n00bI will not criticize the blizzard UI when I am in fact a n00bI will not criticize the blizzard UI when I am in fact a n00bI will not criticize the blizzard UI when I am in fa... (result truncated) |
| 22:49.35 | Iriel | the modern version of the pantograph pencils |
| 22:50.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Tifi (n=Queequeg@dslb-088-073-111-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:50.59 | ckknight | lol |
| 22:53.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Tem (n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem) |
| 22:53.36 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem] by ChanServ |
| 22:56.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 23:04.23 | *** join/#wowuidev NivFreak (n=niv@gw-105.extranet.sea01.isilon.com) |
| 23:04.44 | NivFreak | anyone want to log in and invite me to the northrend guild? |
| 23:04.47 | NivFreak | :) |
| 23:06.14 | leethal | did anyone get beta keys recently, btw? |
| 23:06.24 | leethal | or is last week-ish the most recent round? |
| 23:08.07 | NivFreak | a few people I know, from opt-ins |
| 23:08.10 | NivFreak | one yesterday |
| 23:08.12 | Dashkal | I heard of opt-ins last night |
| 23:08.30 | leethal | aight, so no new wowi-author round, then |
| 23:09.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Guest338 (n=Unregist@78.83.253.33) |
| 23:13.14 | *** join/#wowuidev qweqq (n=qweqq@78.83.253.33) |
| 23:14.12 | *** join/#wowuidev qweqq (n=qweqq@78.83.253.33) |
| 23:14.20 | Xuerian | I don't see why blizzard forbids account sharing.. I see the issues, but I mean I don't see why they don't just say "If you share your account, we will not serve any item/password/email reset/replacement requests for it" |
| 23:15.06 | NightHawkAtWork | well, i imagine some of those things are automated |
| 23:15.09 | Xuerian | Suppose just saying no makes things easier? /shrug. Phobia about anyone letting use mine anyway, but I know enough people that do |
| 23:15.10 | NightHawkAtWork | so there'd be no way to not do it |
| 23:15.47 | Xuerian | NightHawkAtWork: No, they're not. Item restore requests are handled by specific GMs, and email resets are handled the same way. (Repeated requests require a notorized fax or mail with ID, in fact..) |
| 23:16.10 | NightHawkAtWork | password changing, though |
| 23:16.23 | Xuerian | Well, I meant any abnormal issues with resetting a password. Otherwise yeah. |
| 23:17.20 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, roommate a shares his account with roommate b, roommate b gets pissed, moves out, and changes billing info/password, etc, and takes the account with him. that's not something blizz wants to deal with. :P |
| 23:17.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Garoun|Loupana (n=Garou@c-98-204-102-177.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 23:17.52 | NightHawkAtWork | Logistically, and probably in terms of legal liability, it's much easier to just say "no. if you do, you're liable, not us." |
| 23:18.06 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawk, that's their current stance |
| 23:18.15 | NightHawkAtWork | Neuro_Medivh: thats my point :P |
| 23:18.30 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: Ahh... Thought it was a strict "no", with consequences |
| 23:18.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Nah. Officially it's not allowed, which gives them legal standing in case someone shares their account and it gets hacked |
| 23:19.06 | NightHawkAtWork | well, it's both. They loom consequences over you in a "we reserver the right to revoke your account", but that's just cya text |
| 23:19.13 | Neuro_Medivh | but also, that gives them the basis to ban "powerleveling" |
| 23:19.35 | Xuerian | Ahh, two good reasons. Then it essentially is the stance I suggested, just postured. |
| 23:19.45 | Neuro_Medivh | Do they care that you sometimes let your roommate or GF use your account? Nope |
| 23:20.01 | NightHawkAtWork | but they wont be held responsible when shit happens because of it :) |
| 23:20.06 | Neuro_Medivh | exactly |
| 23:20.18 | Neuro_Medivh | of course, no one ever admits it |
| 23:20.23 | NightHawkAtWork | of course |
| 23:20.32 | Xuerian | Yeah, that's what I thought it should be, and what it was, till a few people in fisker's thread posted the strong no. |
| 23:20.35 | Xuerian | Heh.. you'd be surprised |
| 23:20.40 | Xuerian | I hear people admit it regularly. |
| 23:20.56 | Neuro_Medivh | just like, every single person who has ever been banned for 'third party apps' has NEVER EVER used Glider |
| 23:21.07 | Corrodias | even my guildmates shared some accounts |
| 23:21.11 | Xuerian | Now that, only the retarded ones admit |
| 23:21.11 | Neuro_Medivh | I mean, no one ever admits it to Blizz |
| 23:21.20 | Corrodias | only the ones who were irl friends |
| 23:21.35 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, but what cracks me up are people who try to get their account back when they Glided |
| 23:21.39 | *** part/#wowuidev NivFreak (n=niv@gw-105.extranet.sea01.isilon.com) |
| 23:21.39 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: Didn't soemone admit to it then complain about getting banned in tech support once? |
| 23:22.03 | Neuro_Medivh | dunno, possibly.. never underestimate Human Stupidity |
| 23:22.24 | Neuro_Medivh | before they were register-only, the Glider forums were some of the funniest shit, especially on ban days |
| 23:23.02 | Neuro_Medivh | page after page of QQ, and people discussing possible excuses that might get them unbanned |
| 23:23.02 | Corrodias | do tell! |
| 23:23.23 | Kirov | I've seen some great comments on the wow forums from glider users. Lots of "my friend told me it'd be 100% safe and I can't get caught!" |
| 23:24.00 | Kirov | Then arguing with the mvps and blue responses that say, "so, you used it, you got caught. What part of that don't you understand?" |
| 23:24.09 | Hirsute | The "can't get caught" part should have been the clue not to try, of course. |
| 23:24.17 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 23:24.28 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, the defense of "Well, if I had known I would get caught, I wouldn't have used it!" |
| 23:24.43 | Kirov | There was a post on the UI forums about how it was supposed to be undetectible, so it must be ok. |
| 23:25.03 | cbreak | ~g Titanic |
| 23:25.15 | Kirov | The poster didn't seem to quite understand the concept of "it's not allowed" |
| 23:25.25 | Neuro_Medivh | I should form my own PowerLevel service... not only do I level you up AND get you Arena points, I'll even farm dailies, do raids, and play your toon 100% of the time! |
| 23:26.03 | Kirov | I got the distinct impression the poster was the "I stole cookies from the pantry with out my mom knowing" type. |
| 23:26.18 | Neuro_Medivh | my mom always caught me =( |
| 23:26.57 | Kirov | I never did, but that's because my mom was never sure exactly how many she'd eaten herself. :) |
| 23:27.17 | Kirov | Ok, so that's a bad analogy, but you get what I mean. |
| 23:27.21 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, ya |
| 23:27.29 | Kirov | It's the same rationality pick pocketers use. |
| 23:27.43 | Neuro_Medivh | like, irl? |
| 23:28.01 | Kirov | Yeah. They call it a "victimless crime" because they don't hold the person at gun / knife point or actually break in to their house. |
| 23:28.59 | Kirov | Ignore the fact that often people who they pick pocket are stranded where ever they are since the most common place pick pocketers exist is around tourist locations, and stealing their wallets often means getting stuck in a country. |
| 23:29.28 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah... imagine getting stuck in someplace like Cambodia... or Canada! *shudder* |
| 23:29.33 | Kirov | Or it might mean that person doesn't eat that day, or have huge credit problems. |
| 23:29.41 | Dashkal | ~lart Neuro_Medivh |
| 23:29.41 | purl | judo chops Neuro_Medivh |
| 23:29.54 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry, Dash.. you Cambodian? |
| 23:30.00 | Kirov | lol |
| 23:30.04 | Dashkal | ~rmallet Neuro_Medivh |
| 23:30.05 | purl | ACTION beats Neuro_Medivh about the head and shoulders with a rubber mallet |
| 23:30.05 | Neuro_Medivh | didn't mean to compare you to Canada then |
| 23:30.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (n=Yssaril@adsl-76-217-109-197.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:30.34 | Kirov | Could be worse, he could be a french canadian. |
| 23:30.42 | Neuro_Medivh | they still have those? |
| 23:30.56 | Neuro_Medivh | I thought they "re-educated" them back in the 70s |
| 23:30.56 | Kirov | Yeah, no one else wants them. |
| 23:31.20 | Dashkal | Oh god no. Western Canadian :p |
| 23:31.37 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, so you're just an old-fashioned frostback canuck |
| 23:32.04 | Dashkal | I don't think I've ever heard the term 'frostback' |
| 23:32.07 | Anaral | WoWI should add a short description box for when looking at addon lists. Especially for addons without pics and that are not obvious by title. |
| 23:32.48 | Neuro_Medivh | well, you don't have a large hispanic contingient in Canada... it's a play off of a slur word for mexicans |
| 23:33.24 | Neuro_Medivh | I should write an "I am Rich!" addon for WoW |
| 23:34.13 | Dashkal | ahh. Nah, I'm in Vancouver. It's mostly Asian, and Indian. Whites are actually a technical minority now (48% or some such last count) |
| 23:35.00 | Kirov | My experience in Canada I've found there are 3 types of canadians. Western canadians, who are pretty much like anyone on the west coast of the US, except they say "eh" and seem to think 50 degrees is warm. French Canadians, which the western canadians make fun of. |
| 23:35.09 | Kirov | Then there are the northern canadians ... who no one talks about. |
| 23:35.48 | Kirov | Both the french and the western canadians do their damndest to pretend they don't exist, apart from the Red Green show. |
| 23:35.49 | Dashkal | That sounds... about right, actually |
| 23:36.21 | Dashkal | BC should steal washington and oregon and make our own country :p |
| 23:37.09 | Kirov | USoC? (United States of Coffee) |
| 23:37.50 | Kirov | You can take Canada too while you're at it. |
| 23:37.55 | Kirov | er, Alaska |
| 23:38.40 | Dashkal | Canada can take that. More space for those northern types we don't talk about :p |
| 23:39.09 | Kirov | Red Green show is awesome btw |
| 23:39.15 | Kirov | (for those who haven't seen it) |
| 23:39.51 | Neuro_Medivh | it's like a canadian cross between Wayne's World and Tim Allen iirc |
| 23:40.59 | Kirov | If the women don't find you handsom, they should at least find you handy. |
| 23:42.30 | Anaral | Is there a working quest tracking addon? |
| 23:42.34 | Dashkal | I do love that line |
| 23:43.16 | Corrodias | wayne's world plus tim allen == ??? |
| 23:44.01 | ccox | plus a lot of "eh" |
| 23:44.11 | Corrodias | goofy basement rockers + goofy semi-masculinity + mooses == CANADIA |
| 23:44.18 | Kirov | http://www.ilaugh.com/red_green_show/handymans_corner/parallel_park_ranger |
| 23:44.38 | Xuerian | redgreen ftw. |
| 23:45.50 | Corrodias | oh shit, i saw this LATE at night on tv once |
| 23:46.29 | Xuerian | That's when it's normally on down here XD |
| 23:46.53 | Xuerian | Srsly, does anyone have a copy of Smooth StatusBars that gello wrote eons ago? |
| 23:49.18 | Kirov | nope |
| 23:49.32 | Xuerian | Eh, I'll just yoink the pitbull plugin. |
| 23:49.43 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly|Ghost (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 23:54.15 | Corrodias | man, some of these videos take me back to younger days |
| 23:54.31 | Cairenn | oh right Corrodias, and you're soooo old .... |
| 23:54.46 | Corrodias | no, but i am more than 0yo |
| 23:54.53 | Corrodias | i do have some past days |
| 23:56.37 | Kirov | Aparently spending a lot of time with duct tape then. |
| 23:57.19 | Kirov | I actually had a few birthday gifts given to me wrapped in newspaper and lots of duct tape. |
| 23:57.49 | Kirov | (not from a canadian, mind you, just a friend of mine who loved mcgyver) |
| 23:58.26 | Kirov | Actually, he was half american indian, half irish, and spoke fluent spanish ... so most people just thought he was a big mexican. |
