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| 00:07.21 | alestane | Most useless web site...ReportPowerOutage.com? |
| 00:08.07 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:08.13 | Shirik | does doomwalker drop 450g? |
| 00:08.20 | Equitoen | alestane: no. http://isittuesday.com/ |
| 00:08.31 | End | Shirik: what, don't you 45 man him? |
| 00:08.33 | End | :P |
| 00:08.39 | Shirik | still |
| 00:08.41 | Shirik | that's a ton even for 45 man |
| 00:08.46 | Shirik | what boss drops 10g per person |
| 00:08.50 | End | it's normal for 45 |
| 00:08.55 | End | but you don't have 45 in a raid anyways |
| 00:08.58 | End | so I dunno |
| 00:09.05 | Kirov | average 382g 75s 8s |
| 00:09.07 | Shirik | bosses usually drop like 1g ea |
| 00:09.12 | End | most bosses drop 10g |
| 00:09.15 | End | each |
| 00:09.34 | End | (I dunno what kara is, but 25 man at least) |
| 00:09.48 | Kirov | There are mobs in Karazan that drop enough gold for 1g 50s per person in the raid. |
| 00:09.52 | Kirov | non boss |
| 00:10.02 | Shirik | yes but they're special |
| 00:10.37 | Kirov | Kael in MgT drops 8s. Kael in The Eye drops 200g |
| 00:10.49 | Kirov | sorry, 70s, 200g |
| 00:10.51 | Dashkal | Between opera and the stairs, and it encourages people _not_ to leave and head back in the back door |
| 00:11.11 | Kirov | Every boss in The Eye drops more than 200g |
| 00:11.45 | End | they're supposed to drop 250g |
| 00:11.55 | End | I think |
| 00:12.01 | NightHawkTheSane | a number of bosses had their gold drops buffed a while back |
| 00:12.05 | End | in the very least, they bumped them all up a ton a while ago |
| 00:12.51 | Kirov | holy crap http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=23418 - 1520 g |
| 00:13.07 | End | bwuaaa |
| 00:13.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 1520/25 |
| 00:13.39 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 60.8 |
| 00:13.39 | End | how does that one have gold |
| 00:13.45 | Duman | o.O |
| 00:13.53 | End | don't you loot essence of anger? |
| 00:14.01 | jaxdahl | how do raptors have silver? |
| 00:14.05 | End | (who happens to have a much more reasonable amount of 239g) |
| 00:14.28 | End | well, you can kill raptors...killing suffering just switches phases |
| 00:14.38 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=23420 has the loot table |
| 00:14.54 | End | oh yes, I'm just confused on why they have a value for the earlier one :P |
| 00:15.00 | Dashkal | I'm gonna guess that that figure (1520) came from some dip on a private server. |
| 00:16.09 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: didn't you ever do that quest line in barrens? they steal it from people, obviously |
| 00:16.21 | End | ah, yeah, that's true :P |
| 00:16.27 | End | wtf, talasites |
| 00:17.08 | lonk | beta servers up? |
| 00:17.18 | End | doubt it |
| 00:17.28 | Kirkburn|afk | dammit, I was going to say that |
| 00:17.40 | Kirkburn|afk | However, Mr. Frostwyrm is cool to watch |
| 00:17.47 | End | although, it says Connected now |
| 00:17.59 | End | instead of failed to connect |
| 00:17.59 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=869 |
| 00:18.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Raptors are thieves, thieves I say! |
| 00:19.01 | End | they smell funny too |
| 00:19.51 | NightHawkTheSane | well, so does your mom, but we don't make a fuss. |
| 00:20.05 | End | maybe you should |
| 00:20.11 | NightHawkTheSane | probably, but i'm lazy |
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| 00:21.28 | Duman | oh, boo |
| 00:21.30 | Duman | is beta down? |
| 00:21.31 | Duman | sigh |
| 00:21.40 | ScytheBlade1 | New build |
| 00:21.45 | Duman | wait, really? |
| 00:21.52 | p3lim | Anyone got some information on this new build yet? |
| 00:21.55 | Duman | been busy all day actually |
| 00:21.58 | ScytheBlade1 | It's on the forums |
| 00:22.03 | p3lim | Got a link? |
| 00:22.22 | Duman | yes |
| 00:22.23 | Duman | do you want it? |
| 00:22.31 | Duman | We will be taking down the Beta realms at 3:30PM Pacific time today August 13th 2008 to update to the latest build. |
| 00:22.31 | Duman | We expect this process to take from six to eight hours. |
| 00:22.36 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8974837772&sid=2000 |
| 00:22.49 | Duman | guess I'll play some live |
| 00:22.56 | NightHawkTheSane | the horror. |
| 00:23.00 | Duman | it is! |
| 00:23.05 | NightHawkTheSane | work on achievements! :) |
| 00:23.07 | Sixen | Duman, I thought you may want to hear this: |
| 00:23.12 | Duman | sup |
| 00:23.32 | Sixen | Lemme get it |
| 00:23.34 | End | I got my unarmed up to 350 :P and my others above 345 (and I play a warlock) |
| 00:23.35 | Duman | hehe |
| 00:23.50 | End | I figure that's enough until the xpac comes out :P |
| 00:23.55 | Duman | oh I should skill up unarmed on the blasted lands guys before they get nerfed |
| 00:24.19 | p3lim | was wondering about changes, but meh |
| 00:24.31 | Duman | they don't publish changes until after the patch pushes |
| 00:24.57 | Sixen | "With so many people accidentally buying extra tickets because of the site issues, I suspect there's gonna be another round of tickets." |
| 00:25.03 | Sixen | Not a blue, just a user. |
| 00:25.08 | Sixen | But the statement makes sense. |
| 00:25.17 | Duman | I doubt it tho... I got mail back from blizzcon support |
| 00:25.25 | cbreak | or... the people who bought double tickets sell them on the black market |
| 00:25.34 | cbreak | auctioneer said the tickets are worth a fortune |
| 00:25.36 | Duman | what cbreak said |
| 00:25.41 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: lol |
| 00:25.42 | Sixen | What'd they say? |
| 00:25.44 | Duman | haha |
| 00:25.53 | Duman | sixen: well, just that they are all sold out |
| 00:25.57 | Sixen | Gay |
| 00:25.58 | Duman | "Unfortunately all the tickets for BlizzCon have sold out." |
| 00:26.12 | Duman | "However, we did very best to assure the maximum number of tickets were available for purchase." |
| 00:26.28 | Duman | blah blah |
| 00:26.34 | Sixen | :( |
| 00:26.35 | Duman | I still will be going tho, btw :) |
| 00:26.45 | Duman | found a friend w/ a spare ticket, so she's hooking me up |
| 00:26.49 | Dashkal | Oh nice |
| 00:27.02 | Duman | so not all is lost |
| 00:27.07 | Mike-N-Go | nevcairiel: ping |
| 00:27.08 | Duman | altho my ticket will say "Peter Parker" on it |
| 00:27.10 | Duman | (lol) |
| 00:28.17 | Sixen | Oh awesome! |
| 00:28.22 | Duman | to be completely honest, I would not have been so upset about not getting tickets -- as I realize things sell out and there is high demand, etc, etc -- if it weren't for the fact that I actually "DID" get tickets... as I was charged for them (multiple times)... and that multiple charge is why I ended up with zero. |
| 00:28.23 | Sixen | Peter Parker, that's badass. |
| 00:28.24 | Duman | but whatever |
| 00:28.26 | Duman | haha yeah |
| 00:28.26 | Sixen | I'll call you Spidey from now on. |
| 00:28.29 | Duman | LOL |
| 00:30.32 | Duman | hmm, I should switch to cartographer 3 on live |
| 00:31.07 | Duman | kinda like it - usng it on beta |
| 00:31.17 | Duman | altho the icons for me/party members are huge |
| 00:31.36 | Duman | and I didn't see an (obvious) way to reduce thm... but I'm probably not looking hard enough |
| 00:31.40 | Dashkal | Duman: there's an option for that |
| 00:31.43 | Duman | oh? |
| 00:31.45 | Dashkal | POI size |
| 00:31.46 | Duman | figured as much :) |
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| 00:31.51 | Duman | ooh |
| 00:31.53 | Duman | haha ok |
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| 00:32.31 | cbreak | yay, spell pushback was changed |
| 00:32.38 | cbreak | only the first two hits will do anything |
| 00:32.59 | Corrodias | really. huh. |
| 00:33.10 | cbreak | you're a melee? :) |
| 00:33.51 | Corrodias | i don't play any more, but i have played all classes at least briefly, except shaman, and several styles of a few |
| 00:34.06 | End | elemental shaman have it pretty bad, until now |
| 00:34.21 | Corrodias | the anti-pushback talents were pretty important, so are they going to rework those? i'd expect so, at least eventually. |
| 00:34.23 | End | they said they're reworking talents that offer resistance, but I'm curious how that works |
| 00:34.33 | Corrodias | hey, there we go |
| 00:34.54 | End | yeah, they just "yeah, we need to rework those" |
| 00:35.01 | End | and I'm like "okay?" |
| 00:35.05 | NightHawkTheSane | End: don't even get me started on ele shaman & pushback on live. >< |
| 00:35.33 | End | yes, I know it sucks! we all know! |
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| 00:36.13 | End | well |
| 00:36.40 | End | I have a pretty good idea :P |
| 00:36.55 | Corrodias | anti-pushback talents aren't of too much use if pushback only happens on the first 2 hits, so they'll have to do SOMETHING with the talents if anybody will ever take them again |
| 00:37.14 | NightHawkTheSane | it's simple. pretend you have no way to keep mobs off of you. pretend you have no pushback resistence talents. then try and cast a spell :P |
| 00:37.29 | End | that's why I have a wand, NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:37.36 | NightHawkTheSane | End: pretend you dont have a wand. |
| 00:37.37 | End | and instant cast spells! |
| 00:37.48 | Corrodias | and a giant e-peen! or maybe that's just me |
| 00:37.50 | NightHawkTheSane | and your instant cast spells are on 6s cooldowns. |
| 00:37.52 | Sixen | Kd3, get a blizzcon ticket? |
| 00:38.14 | End | I can't aoe the bugs in strath because they hit too much |
| 00:38.14 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, its more or less the same if you're fighting a nature immune mob. |
| 00:38.16 | End | I just think of that |
| 00:38.36 | kd3 | neg. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765744652&sid=2000&pageNo=1#8 |
| 00:38.50 | Duman | kd3: :-( |
| 00:39.00 | Duman | kd3: I found a friend w/ a spare ticket, lukcily |
| 00:39.02 | Duman | (well, for me) |
| 00:39.07 | Duman | *luckily |
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| 00:39.31 | Sixen | :( |
| 00:39.32 | Duman | ahh well |
| 00:41.54 | |pez| | this just aint normal... cleaning my ear with a cotton-stick thing is NOT supposed to make the back of my tounge tickle. |
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| 00:42.00 | End | o_O |
| 00:42.06 | Icecoldcoke | ^ |
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| 00:42.14 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: ... you're sticking it in too far. |
| 00:42.29 | |pez| | butbutbut |
| 00:42.30 | Duman | oh no, not again |
| 00:42.30 | Guest45325 | what? |
| 00:42.30 | Corrodias | Queen. best thing ever. |
| 00:42.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: well, yes.. but huh? |
| 00:42.55 | Xuerian_wtfident | argh nickserv |
| 00:42.58 | |pez| | I don't really put it far in at all! |
| 00:42.58 | Xuerian_wtfident | LEGGO MY NAME |
| 00:42.59 | Corrodias | as for that, yes, you can make some odd effects with cotton swabs in the ear |
| 00:43.01 | Duman | nickserv loves you |
| 00:43.16 | Corrodias | it's not necessarily going in "too far", although doctors apparently recommend that you not put them in at all |
| 00:43.17 | Icecoldcoke | Nickserv loves no one. |
| 00:43.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i cant vendor my t5? |
| 00:43.55 | |pez| | I've always been sure I'm somehow put together oddly. |
| 00:44.05 | End | NightHawkTheSane: probably because its token based |
| 00:44.08 | Icecoldcoke | NightHawkTheSane : I can't vendor my t6 Q.Q |
| 00:44.28 | Corrodias | i can't vendor my t8. :( |
| 00:44.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Icecoldcoke: i'm still wearing it, so i'd rather not vendor it. also i'm talking about on live. so ;) |
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| 00:45.19 | Icecoldcoke | NightHawkTheSane : I'm talking about live also, gear is so over rated. |
| 00:45.22 | Neuro_Medivh | any patch notes yet? |
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| 00:47.11 | kd3 | the wiki's been updated |
| 00:47.13 | kd3 | I'm still trying to find a download link |
| 00:47.27 | Xuerian | kd3: How the heck did the wiki get updated >_> |
| 00:47.35 | Duman | he's fast like that |
| 00:47.45 | Xuerian | He needs to geiv patcher. |
| 00:48.03 | Duman | hmm no patch yet |
| 00:48.05 | Duman | at least, per launcher |
| 00:48.11 | Duman | but you can poke around and try numbers |
| 00:48.12 | Duman | ;-) |
| 00:48.23 | Sixen | bbrb |
| 00:48.32 | Xuerian | Duman: yeah, too lazy :P |
| 00:48.41 | Duman | :) |
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| 00:52.00 | cbreak | I got the patch some time ago via launcher |
| 00:52.06 | cbreak | already downloaded and installed |
| 00:52.08 | Icecoldcoke | Hax. |
| 00:52.52 | Icecoldcoke | The launcher never gives me patches.. ever. |
| 00:53.14 | Equitoen | neither for me.. but they show up in the log files |
| 00:53.58 | Duman | damn EU hackers |
| 00:54.11 | Duman | h0h0 |
| 00:54.14 | Anaral | Hmm, launcher usually works for me. |
| 00:54.20 | End | <3 wireshark |
| 00:54.24 | Anaral | but not tonight. |
| 00:54.29 | p3lim | When will beta servers be up again? |
| 00:54.29 | Duman | I don' tneed wireshark... I just sniff on my router :) |
| 00:54.38 | Duman | probably like 10pm |
| 00:54.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Several hours |
| 00:54.45 | Duman | 9-10pm |
| 00:54.49 | Duman | if i had to guess |
| 00:54.51 | Equitoen | 4 - 5 hours I think? |
| 00:54.55 | Duman | hey never give exact times :) |
| 00:54.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: I could too, but tcpdump on a 133MHz router + SSH is kinda painful |
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| 00:55.18 | Duman | damn your router is wimpier than mine |
| 00:55.22 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 00:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It's hand build embedded, no hard drive |
| 00:55.38 | ScytheBlade1 | The OS lives on a compact flash card mounted read only |
| 00:55.45 | Duman | #egrep 'vendor|model name|MHz' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:55.45 | Duman | vendor_id : CentaurHauls |
| 00:55.45 | Duman | model name : VIA Nehemiah |
| 00:55.45 | Duman | cpu MHz : 798.129 |
| 00:56.27 | Duman | mine's on a laptop drive |
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| 00:56.31 | ScytheBlade1 | vendor_id : AuthenticAMD |
| 00:56.31 | ScytheBlade1 | model name : 486 DX/4-WB |
| 00:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 00:56.36 | Duman | DX4!!! |
| 00:56.44 | Duman | haha man |
| 00:57.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I ran the same command as you |
| 00:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Note how the MHz isn't even on there |
| 00:57.13 | Duman | use Hz :) |
| 00:57.19 | End | lol |
| 00:57.19 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 00:57.21 | kd3 | oh wow, a dx4 |
| 00:57.24 | Duman | or do you only get Bogomips |
| 00:57.24 | End | do it! |
| 00:57.28 | Duman | bogomips : 1581.05 |
| 00:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really not on there |
| 00:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | bogomips : 66.04 |
| 00:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | But I have that |
| 00:57.39 | Duman | lawl |
| 00:57.47 | ScytheBlade1 | As a router it's awesome |
| 00:57.51 | Duman | yep |
| 00:57.54 | ScytheBlade1 | it does my wifi + wired |
| 00:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Boots in under 10 seconds |
| 00:58.02 | Duman | yeah, this has 3 eth ports |
| 00:58.09 | Duman | egress, wired, wireless |
| 00:58.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Can never break due to read only storage |
| 00:58.14 | Duman | oh nice |
| 00:58.29 | ScytheBlade1 | The only time it's a pain is when I want to do tcpdump over SSH... that takes a bit to get going ;) |
| 00:58.30 | Duman | I guess I could remote syslog, but I am a logwhore |
| 00:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I remote syslog to this box |
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| 00:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | http://soekris.com/pictures/net4521/net4521_BO_front_big.jpg |
| 00:59.15 | Cralor` | lol woot! i just got 1 of the 10 Banana Charms from Curse! |
| 00:59.19 | ScytheBlade1 | 1x mini-PCI, 2x cardbus, 1x CF card |
| 00:59.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Ethernet x2, RS-232, and power |
| 00:59.28 | Duman | nice |
| 00:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That's about it |
| 00:59.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It has GPIO pins, but they are unused atm |
| 01:00.04 | Dashkal | GPIO pins... those things are such a pain to code |
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| 01:00.16 | Duman | top one is the CF? |
| 01:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 01:00.24 | Duman | (looksl ike it) |
| 01:00.25 | Duman | ahh |
| 01:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | below is mini-PCI |
| 01:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | To the right of that are the GPIO pins |
| 01:00.42 | Duman | yeah, mine came w/ adapters to use laptopIDE or CF |
| 01:00.52 | Duman | and I had a 2G laptop drive so I used that |
| 01:00.56 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 01:00.56 | Duman | but I think it's starting to fail :( |
| 01:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | 128MB CF card in this |
| 01:01.04 | Duman | haha rad |
| 01:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I hand rolled the distro for it |
| 01:01.11 | Duman | I have some spare CF cards around, hmm |
| 01:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shrunk it down |
| 01:01.14 | Duman | yeah I was gonna say |
| 01:01.21 | Duman | cross-compiled on somethign? |
| 01:01.25 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 01:01.26 | Duman | or did you find a kernel |
| 01:01.27 | Duman | ahh |
| 01:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I did the kernel by hand too |
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| 01:01.49 | Duman | yeah, strip is barebones |
| 01:01.52 | Duman | s/is/it/ |
| 01:01.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Which I did |
| 01:02.12 | Duman | how much ram is on there? 256M or something? |
| 01:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It errors out on me when I disconnect SSH, because it can't update some of the TTYs on the read only media, haha |
| 01:02.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 64MB |
| 01:02.20 | kd3 | 20:14:18.2290 Unable to fetch patch sequence file while hidden. |
| 01:02.27 | Duman | kd3 hax |
| 01:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Mem: 60 31 28 0 4 8 |
| 01:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | -/+ buffers/cache: 19 40 |
| 01:02.46 | Duman | lol |
| 01:02.55 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.55 | Duman | Mem: 253864 242492 11372 0 75116 22756 |
| 01:02.55 | Duman | -/+ buffers/cache: 144620 109244 |
| 01:02.55 | Duman | Swap: 528184 176 528008 |
| 01:03.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah no swap ;) |
| 01:03.09 | Duman | I have huge memory compared to you ;) |
| 01:03.15 | Duman | yeah, no RW fs = no swap ;) |
| 01:03.18 | ScytheBlade1 | And you have a massive CPU too |
| 01:03.23 | Duman | haha yeah |
| 01:03.40 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://206.16.22.126/update/PatchSequenceFile.txt |
| 01:04.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got seven days of uptime on mine because I played with the kernel |
| 01:04.13 | Duman | that stops at 8770 |
| 01:04.19 | kd3 | yah, I've got that bookmarked (as http://us.version.worldofwarcraft.com/update/PatchSequenceFile.txt ), but nothing there for us |
| 01:04.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It does, but that's also the one that the beta launcher pulled |
| 01:04.35 | ScytheBlade1 | via wireshark, I can confirm that |
| 01:04.37 | Duman | our IRC server at work has epic uptime |
| 01:04.55 | Duman | [root@irc ~]# uptime |
| 01:04.55 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:05.10 | ScytheBlade1 | The most important box in the company: the IRC server |
| 01:05.15 | Duman | well, duh! |
| 01:05.37 | Duman | would have had longer uptime, but the datacenter lost power (that was joyous) |
| 01:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:05.53 | Neuro_Medivh | sarcasm detector activated! |
| 01:06.04 | Duman | no, no... never, never! |
| 01:06.19 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case I'm going to be sniffing whatever URL it pulls down, as soon as it does pull one down |
| 01:06.52 | Duman | they pull it over http (80) ? |
| 01:07.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Dunno, but I'll be able to tell you soon enough! |
| 01:07.31 | ScytheBlade1 | As soon as someone (US) shows it in the patch sequence file, ping me and I'll get to poking |
| 01:08.20 | Sixen | Back |
| 01:09.14 | Shirik | ffs the bloodboil staff finally dropped |
| 01:09.16 | Shirik | 4 months |
| 01:09.33 | kd3 | the new build number is 8788 |
| 01:09.53 | |Jelly| | Congrats |
| 01:10.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: and you didn't get it? :p |
| 01:10.12 | Duman | hax |
| 01:10.17 | Shirik | oh no |
| 01:10.18 | Shirik | oh nonono |
| 01:10.22 | Shirik | if I didn't get it I'd kill someone |
| 01:10.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ... you're a priest ... |
| 01:10.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ... you couldn't ... |
| 01:10.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: oh, burn. |
| 01:10.39 | Shirik | stfu |
| 01:10.51 | Duman | haha |
| 01:10.58 | Sixen | Is it? |
| 01:11.01 | Sixen | New patch up yet? |
| 01:11.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but Shirik's holy. |
| 01:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know what it is but Shirik is amazingly easy to insult |
| 01:11.23 | NightHawkTheSane | he sets himself up well |
| 01:11.24 | Icecoldcoke | Wait.. people spec for healing? |
| 01:11.31 | Shirik | .... |
| 01:11.49 | Stanzilla | shadow is a broken specc |
| 01:12.03 | Icecoldcoke | Smite dps.. hi. |
| 01:12.16 | Stanzilla | *thumbsup* |
| 01:12.17 | Shirik | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drenden&n=Kimina ty |
| 01:13.07 | Icecoldcoke | Smite dps.. hi. |
| 01:13.18 | MentalPower | ~seen QZot |
| 01:13.19 | purl | qzot <n=Qzot@ppp-71-139-204-231.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 115d 4h 42m 23s ago, saying: 'Heyo.'. |
| 01:13.20 | kd3 | someone from nurfed said they've had the patch for hours, so one of the mirrors has to have it |
| 01:13.41 | Stanzilla | I just finished installing |
| 01:13.48 | Icecoldcoke | Lies IMO. |
| 01:13.56 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I have to wonder if that was just pulled from the URL that the launcher generates via PatchSequenceFile.txt (or they're in EU) |
| 01:14.23 | Stanzilla | < eu |
| 01:19.03 | Duman | hmm |
| 01:19.09 | Duman | are the notes on the wiki correct? |
| 01:19.14 | kd3 | afaik |
| 01:19.23 | kd3 | I haven't seen the patch but an admin put them up |
| 01:19.33 | Duman | some of them are changes from last time |
| 01:19.53 | kd3 | the shipped notes are always a build behind |
| 01:20.48 | Duman | well, then that's useless ;-) |
| 01:20.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Josh__ (n=Josh@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke) |
| 01:21.18 | Neuro_Medivh | which wiki, btw? |
| 01:21.24 | kd3 | wowwiki |
| 01:21.30 | Sixen | Damn... No bug fixes again =[ |
| 01:21.37 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.1 |
| 01:21.38 | Cralor` | can anyone connect to the Beta? |
| 01:21.42 | Sixen | ... |
| 01:21.42 | kd3 | down for a patch |
| 01:21.45 | Duman | beta is down for a new patch |
| 01:21.46 | Cralor` | =( |
| 01:21.51 | Cralor` | alright. |
| 01:21.53 | Duman | probably another 3-4 hours I'd say |
| 01:22.00 | Cralor` | i just got home.. so i was j/w |
| 01:22.04 | Duman | check the bug forum :) |
| 01:22.11 | Cralor` | 10-4. |
| 01:22.22 | Lunessa | Souvlaki - so good. ... must ... fight .... to ... stay ... awake now. |
| 01:22.38 | Duman | heh |
| 01:23.06 | kd3 | here's an alleged torrent |
| 01:23.14 | Duman | <- Turkish, so we have somethign similar ;) |
| 01:23.16 | kd3 | http://www.ropetown.com/shared/WoW-3.0.1.8770-to-3.0.1.8788-enUS-downloader.torrent |
| 01:23.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont like.. alleged.. torrents |
| 01:24.13 | kd3 | my torrent view says it's valid... let's see what azu does |
| 01:24.19 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, all of those are 'old' changes |
| 01:24.28 | kd3 | [21:19:53] <kd3> the shipped notes are always a build behind |
| 01:24.35 | Duman | yeah the wiki has changes diffed up to the 8/8 patch |
| 01:24.40 | Duman | as kd3 said :) |
| 01:24.40 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, any update? |
| 01:25.01 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: No, I need to ping the man about it. |
| 01:25.16 | Thunder_Child | ok, i know it's a side project so i am not trying to pressure you |
| 01:26.11 | Sixen | How large is the patch file? |
| 01:26.23 | kd3 | 127.72MB |
| 01:26.38 | Sixen | <3 |
| 01:26.47 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Actually, I want it to be a non-side pjt, I'm just ... hammered at work right now. |
| 01:26.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Paene (n=Jim@54-94.candlewood.dynip.msu.edu) |
| 01:27.13 | Thunder_Child | well work > this, so thats my point, work comes first |
| 01:27.42 | Duman | hmm |
| 01:27.51 | cbreak | 142MB for enGB |
| 01:28.27 | Duman | lemme torrent it on my shell box |
| 01:28.30 | JoshBorke | can someone say my nick please? |
| 01:28.34 | NightHawkTheSane | JoshBorke: |
| 01:28.34 | kd3 | JoshBorke, |
| 01:28.39 | JoshBorke | thanks :) |
| 01:29.20 | Duman | oh hmm |
| 01:29.23 | Thunder_Child | JoshBorke |
| 01:29.26 | Duman | guess those aren't normal torrent files? |
| 01:29.27 | Ackis | why does this not work in a macro: /cast Circle of Healing;/cast Pain Suppression;/cast Mind Flay |
| 01:29.29 | Thunder_Child | :) |
| 01:29.43 | Duman | you want /castsequence ? |
| 01:29.45 | kd3 | they're all on the GCD? |
| 01:29.47 | Ackis | no |
| 01:29.50 | Duman | (what are you trying to do) |
| 01:29.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: because it tries to cast the first one, sees you dont have it, and fails |
| 01:29.52 | Ackis | I only know 1 of them at atime |
| 01:29.57 | Ackis | ok thanks NightHawkTheSane |
| 01:30.13 | Duman | oh, hah |
| 01:30.24 | Duman | wtf are you doing that? :) |
| 01:30.36 | Aiiane | Ackis: macros don't automatically fall through if they can't cast the first spell |
| 01:30.38 | Lunessa | I was going to ask how you got 150+ talent points... |
| 01:30.41 | Ackis | I'm lazy and don't want to change keybindings |
| 01:30.58 | Ackis | I want 1 keybinding for 1 which is mind flay when shadow, CoH when holy and pain suppression when disc |
| 01:30.58 | NightHawkTheSane | am i the only one who saw what he was doing the first time? :P |
| 01:31.10 | Neuro_Medivh | I saw it, it's based on his spec |
| 01:31.16 | Aiiane | dont think its possible via macros |
| 01:31.21 | Neuro_Medivh | if he's holy he does CoH, if he's disc he does PS |
| 01:31.25 | Duman | nighthawk: I honestly didn't even look at the spell names that closely ;) |
| 01:31.33 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, it's possible if you write an addon |
| 01:31.36 | Lunessa | Ackis - check out ActionBarSaver. :P |
| 01:31.36 | Ackis | I can do mind flay and one of the other two |
| 01:31.49 | Duman | there is |
| 01:31.56 | Duman | yeah, some addon that will save bindings |
| 01:32.01 | Duman | well, I'm sure there are a few |
| 01:32.44 | Industrial | patchnotes for 3.0.1.8788 anyone? |
| 01:32.55 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.1 |
| 01:32.56 | Sixen | www.wowwiki.com/ |
| 01:32.57 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.58 | Sixen | yeahthat |
| 01:33.20 | Industrial | ty |
| 01:33.24 | alestane | I believe (could be wrong) that you can actually make a macro that says /cast Mind Flay /cast Circle of Healing /cast Pain Suppression, and it will cast the first one you know...but that only works because if you don't know the spell it can't trigger the global cooldown. |
| 01:33.37 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar (n=sylvanaa@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 01:33.55 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: he was just saying that wasn't working |
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| 01:34.11 | NightHawkTheSane | so i'm assuming that it fails if you dont know the spell |
| 01:34.19 | alestane | Did he actually put them on separate lines? |
| 01:34.56 | alestane | I thought I tried that once, but it was several patches ago, so it could easily have changed. |
| 01:35.07 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 01:35.14 | NightHawkTheSane | actually.. i just tried it.. it seemed to work.. |
| 01:36.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: yeah, try putting them on separate lines |
| 01:36.17 | kd3 | rah... 35k. go faster! |
| 01:36.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Is the patch up? |
| 01:36.45 | kd3 | http://www.ropetown.com/shared/WoW-3.0.1.8770-to-3.0.1.8788-enUS-downloader.torrent |
| 01:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, close |
| 01:37.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm waiting on the launcher to work |
| 01:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'll torrent that in the mean time |
| 01:37.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 01:37.55 | Duman | hmm, whyd oesn't by bittorrent client ilke that file |
| 01:37.56 | Icecoldcoke2 | Hax, ropetown is on my server. |
| 01:39.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, there's a ratio of 2 already |
| 01:39.53 | alestane | Sorry, it doesn't help me to torrent an .exe |
| 01:40.24 | kd3 | launcher doesn't seem to have it, but posts on the forums suggest the game'll get it |
| 01:40.32 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: given the mac .torrents, I'd happily mirror them... the problem being I've never once been given one. (fwiw) |
| 01:41.29 | kd3 | and it is... |
| 01:41.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (n=Dark_Elf@ip50.net253.mw.net) |
| 01:42.00 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: /cast [help] Circle of Healing [harm][stance:1]Mind Flay |
| 01:42.19 | Ackis | prolly the best I'm gonna get |
| 01:42.24 | ScytheBlade1 | People on the PC torrent, feel free to peer inject 64.22.125.133:6897 |
| 01:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got 1mbit allocated |
| 01:42.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: i tried it out, and if you put the /cast's on different lines, it seemed to work... |
| 01:42.47 | Ackis | hmm ok let me try |
| 01:43.00 | NightHawkTheSane | but if you put them on a single, semicolon delimited line, it failed |
| 01:43.28 | Ackis | hmmm it works |
| 01:43.45 | alestane | The macro engine doesn't recognize semicolons as line delimiters. |
| 01:43.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, it feels like that's something that ought to be repored.. |
| 01:44.10 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ for anyone who wants it |
| 01:44.24 | Duman | sbo: rad |
| 01:44.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: get me a .app! |
| 01:44.34 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: pass me a OSX .torrent and it will be done! |
| 01:44.41 | kd3 | bingo, found the downloader url |
| 01:44.42 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Downloading the patch now, how can I send you the .torrent? |
| 01:44.56 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: should be contained within the .app in Resources. sbo@averageurl.com |
| 01:45.34 | alestane | Mailing momentarily. |
| 01:45.35 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: where did you get the downloader from? |
| 01:45.42 | alestane | The launcher. |
| 01:45.43 | Duman | chug chug |
| 01:45.43 | kd3 | http://204.245.162.16/wowpatch/3.0.1/WoW-3.0.1.8770-3.0.1.8778-x86-Win-enUS |
| 01:45.44 | Duman | 18:45:33 eth0: 5.057 In, 0.097 Out Mbps | 464 In, 233 Out pps |
| 01:45.44 | Duman | 18:45:38 eth0: 5.056 In, 0.101 Out Mbps | 468 In, 238 Out pps |
| 01:45.50 | alestane | Excuse me, the client. |
| 01:46.05 | alestane | I logged in. |
| 01:46.10 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: sent |
| 01:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Got it |
| 01:46.20 | Anaral | Patch is live |
| 01:46.25 | Duman | o.O |
| 01:46.34 | Ackis | I should revise: /cast [modifier:SELFCAST, target=player,stance:0][help,stance:0][target=mouseover,exists,stance:0] Renew;[harm] Shadow Word: Pain;[target=player,stance:0] Renew; [target=focus,harm,stance:1] Shadow Word: Pain |
| 01:46.48 | kd3 | rather http://dist.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/wowpatch/3.0.1/WoW-3.0.1.8770-3.0.1.8778-x86-Win-enUS |
| 01:47.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, I've already got 40% of the OSX torrent |
| 01:47.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Link to a .tar in a moment |
| 01:48.06 | Lunessa | You can't help stupid... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765644866&sid=1 |
| 01:48.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 01:49.03 | Anaral | *sighs* Neth needs to post the modifications to the patch notes. |
| 01:49.13 | Aiiane | hum? |
| 01:49.18 | alestane | Download finished, patching. |
| 01:49.38 | Anaral | Aiiane: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8199569973&sid=2000 |
| 01:49.54 | Duman | $5 says mmo-champ will have updates before neth ;-) |
| 01:50.42 | Tem|afk | patch tonight!? |
| 01:50.46 | Duman | patch @ now |
| 01:50.49 | Tem|afk | zomg |
| 01:52.03 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ OSX |
| 01:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks to alestane |
| 01:52.12 | NightHawkTheSane | hopefully 'writing terrain data into patch-2.mpq" means "unfucking the models" |
| 01:52.14 | Duman | I should run a seed on my shell box |
| 01:52.21 | Duman | but for some reason, my torrent client doesn't like me |
| 01:52.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: dude, that's so 30s ago. |
| 01:52.41 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: dude, have it anyway. |
| 01:52.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: lol, don't need it now, but <3 anyway :) |
| 01:53.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine someone else may ask for it |
| 01:53.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the idea |
| 01:53.24 | ScytheBlade1 | And if I don't cap your downstream, I want to know |
| 01:53.26 | Duman | OH SNAP |
| 01:53.38 | Duman | login page dragon has texture now |
| 01:53.40 | Tem|afk | Duman, do I smell a level cap increase? |
| 01:53.42 | kd3 | oh wow. the frostwyrm got implemented |
| 01:53.52 | Tem|afk | so, the doom chicken |
| 01:53.53 | jaxdahl | how the heck do you find the US patch? |
| 01:53.57 | Tem|afk | still a doom chicken? |
| 01:53.59 | kd3 | log in |
| 01:54.16 | NightHawkTheSane | dude... dk's need THAT as their mount |
| 01:54.18 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.35 | jaxdahl | ahhh, in-game patch |
| 01:54.50 | jaxdahl | was watching the launcher |
| 01:55.12 | alestane | I'm up to world object data. |
| 01:55.15 | Duman | oh wow |
| 01:55.19 | Duman | they totally changed bloodworms |
| 01:55.24 | Tem|afk | good |
| 01:55.25 | Tem|afk | how? |
| 01:55.28 | Dashkal | Oh good. now? |
| 01:55.30 | Dashkal | too slow |
| 01:55.37 | Duman | 3/3 = 12% chance to spawn per melee hit |
| 01:55.50 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 01:56.00 | Aiiane | ~debugtools |
| 01:56.01 | kd3 | whee for pegging my download limit |
| 01:56.08 | Aiiane | hum, what's the ref for that |
| 01:56.10 | Dashkal | Northrend appears up (logging in) |
| 01:56.10 | kd3 | ~devtools |
| 01:56.11 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 01:56.14 | Aiiane | ah thanks |
| 01:56.19 | Icecoldcoke2 | :o the finished login dragon looks amazing |
| 01:56.27 | End | oh, they skinned it? |
| 01:56.28 | End | cool |
| 01:56.58 | alestane | Patched. |
| 01:57.05 | Dashkal | Ok, time to test the new BW talent and hope it's less insane |
| 01:57.16 | Dashkal | Though soloing EVERYTHING was rather amusing |
| 01:57.32 | Icecoldcoke2 | I think 12% chance per melee hit is going to still be pretty good |
| 01:57.42 | Icecoldcoke2 | Just not as good. :p |
| 01:57.59 | NightHawkTheSane | well what snice is that it was unhooked from death strike |
| 01:58.04 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/WoW-3.0.1.8770-to-3.0.1.8788-enUS-downloader.torrent another torrent mirror if anyone needs |
| 01:58.47 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, auras unhooked from presences. |
| 01:58.58 | Tem|afk | old news |
| 01:59.13 | kd3 | ghost said they were gonna do that |
| 01:59.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i must have missed that. |
| 01:59.56 | NightHawkTheSane | although they made them spells in the general tab. at least blood aura is. |
| 02:00.26 | devXero | is it possible to view honor/arena points using the inspect syste,m? |
| 02:01.00 | devXero | when I do an actual inspect the points are not visible in the frame, and it looks like the InspectPVPFrame does a SetText("") to them |
| 02:01.04 | Anaral | UI windows still is bugged |
| 02:01.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Matrix110| (i=Matrix11@pD957E4E0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:01.44 | Industrial | ah they made the dragon in the login not all-white now |
| 02:01.59 | Industrial | it looks very good =) |
| 02:02.22 | Thunder_Child | it was more textureless than white really |
| 02:02.37 | Xuerian | Textures were in the data files last build, too |
| 02:02.41 | Xuerian | just weren't applied for some reason |
| 02:03.05 | Duman | bbl8r, dinner |
| 02:04.03 | devXero | meh, today is full of anger and frusteration |
| 02:04.07 | Lunessa | Right now I wish Windows Vista Home Premium would let me RDP to it... |
| 02:07.14 | jaxdahl | that's what VNC over SSH is for |
| 02:07.57 | Lunessa | Not set up on my Vista box at home. :P |
| 02:08.06 | Sixen | Is there a post timer for WoWtech? |
| 02:08.07 | MentalPower | Lunessa: it should... |
| 02:08.27 | MentalPower | mediacenter kinda needs Remote Desktop to function |
| 02:08.32 | Industrial | Sixen: WoWtech? |
| 02:08.37 | Sixen | WoW Forums |
| 02:08.39 | Sixen | Tech support |
| 02:08.53 | Sixen | But nevermind. |
| 02:09.07 | Lunessa | MP - MS specifically does not include RDP serving functions to Home Premium. I almost strangled the machine when I tread the TechNet Article. |
| 02:09.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Aella (n=Aella@74.221.43.140) |
| 02:09.24 | MentalPower | how the hell did they manage that? |
| 02:09.34 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly| (n=chatzill@66-169-186-78.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 02:09.41 | MentalPower | MediaCenter needs RDP for the MediaCenter Extender foo |
| 02:10.42 | Lunessa | You can RDP out, just not in. |
| 02:10.49 | MentalPower | ouch |
| 02:11.03 | MentalPower | but mediacenter still works |
| 02:11.06 | devXero | Lunessa: http://portal.tonychan.org/Default.aspx?tabid=58&EntryID=123 |
| 02:11.06 | Lunessa | I might be able to reg hax it ... but... |
| 02:11.32 | devXero | that info worked for my home premium before I decided to uninstall it and burn the disc :P |
| 02:12.11 | kd3 | whee... patching. interface diffs in a moment |
| 02:12.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Corrodias (i=no@adsl-75-17-196-27.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:12.36 | Lunessa | oh, shit hot. |
| 02:12.48 | devXero | ugh, is it possible at all to view an inspected users cp, and arena points or am I just chasing mythical creatures agaibn? |
| 02:12.51 | devXero | again* |
| 02:13.15 | devXero | *rubs eyes* |
| 02:13.41 | Ackis | ~api getcompanioninfo |
| 02:13.42 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_getcompanioninfo |
| 02:14.08 | devXero | heh, empty page |
| 02:14.13 | Corrodias | what is cp in this context? because that looks strange without any context |
| 02:14.20 | devXero | honor points |
| 02:14.32 | Industrial | my new buddy here needs a name! winner gets a cookie! http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f462719dd160b2bed1f1a60510ad09bb.jpg |
| 02:14.34 | Shirik | Corrodias: contribution points |
| 02:14.36 | Corrodias | how did you get "CP" from honor? |
| 02:14.47 | Corrodias | ah. some newer mechanic, i take it |
| 02:14.49 | kd3 | geez. 4k line diff |
| 02:14.53 | kd3 | s/newer/older/ |
| 02:15.01 | Shirik | actually, older Corrodias |
| 02:15.21 | devXero | yeah, I;'ve always heard honor points referred to as "cp" |
| 02:15.31 | kd3 | interface diffs going out as soon as I get them uploaded to google! anyone not on my list want a copy? |
| 02:15.37 | Shirik | me too, but that's because I come with a bunch of people from RFO where it was CP :) |
| 02:15.44 | Shirik | Amusingly, one of the race's currency was ALSO CP |
| 02:15.49 | devXero | heh |
| 02:15.53 | Shirik | so that race had a lot of trouble distinguishing between money and honor |
| 02:16.11 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.25 | devXero | Shirik: so, do you know if this is possible? |
| 02:16.35 | devXero | to view the cp / arena points of an inspected user? |
| 02:17.11 | kd3 | emails away! |
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| 02:17.26 | devXero | been staring at the lua code on wowcompares, checked wowwiki, and I'm thinking at this point I'm about to just exclude them |
| 02:18.23 | Sixen | kd3, uploaded to google? |
| 02:18.41 | kd3 | to my gmail account, yah |
| 02:19.02 | Sixen | Oh |
| 02:19.10 | Sixen | Why do you do that? =x |
| 02:19.29 | kd3 | because the server's gotta have it in order to mail it out |
| 02:19.39 | kd3 | it can't just conjure the bits out of thin air |
| 02:19.51 | Sixen | That servers made of fail then. |
| 02:19.54 | Aella | This *is* Google we're talking about. |
| 02:20.01 | devXero | This statement leads me to beleive what I want to do is possible.. "If you are looking to make the top #13 or #14 bracket on your server, you are better off inspecting people already in that bracket to see how much honor they are making." |
| 02:20.08 | devXero | but I could just be taking out of context |
| 02:20.33 | Aella | devXero: would that be the "Today's Honor" and "Yesterday's Honor" totals? |
| 02:21.01 | devXero | Aella: I'm looking to get the HONOR: and ARENA: amounts |
| 02:21.21 | devXero | current total amount of honor and arena points |
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| 02:21.29 | Aella | Yeah, but I bet that statement is talking about the total for today's and yesterday's honor for a player |
| 02:21.40 | Ackis | cool vent does not work in WAR or wotlk yet it works in normal |
| 02:21.48 | Aella | Which AFAIK you can get for inspects |
| 02:21.54 | devXero | you're right.. ugh. okay, I give up for today |
| 02:21.55 | devXero | thanks |
| 02:25.49 | kd3 | the hell? did all mage spells get changed to x% base mana? |
| 02:26.17 | Aella | Why? |
| 02:26.33 | NightHawkTheSane | silly question, is 375+ cooking in? |
| 02:26.36 | kd3 | http://thottbot.com/wotlk/changes/class/changed#A:::::Mage |
| 02:28.07 | Aella | Maybe that's part of their "redo mana costs" effort *shrugs* |
| 02:29.21 | Anaral | kd3 I still have a mana amount on my spells. |
| 02:29.23 | Mikk | Hrmph... how bloody long time does it take to compile linux kernels these days? |
| 02:29.36 | Mikk | Been compiling a 2.6 for 4 hours or so now... zzz. |
| 02:30.09 | Mikk | (Yeah.. my linux box is a 600 Mhz celery) |
| 02:31.01 | Tekkub | Area 52 is Full\nPosition in queue: 1\n Estimated time:Calculating... |
| 02:31.13 | Aella | Denied. |
| 02:31.20 | Tekkub | been sitting at that for 2 min now |
| 02:32.17 | Aella | So, will changing dungeon difficulty not reset all instances now, or does it still do that and not tell you about it? |
| 02:32.25 | Tekkub | gah it jumped to 68 |
| 02:32.44 | Aella | ...ooh. |
| 02:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh bah @ base mana for r1 frostbolt |
| 02:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | DIE |
| 02:33.00 | kd3 | sbo; seriously wtf |
| 02:33.12 | Aella | Sorry if all this has been seen already: |
| 02:33.13 | Aella | FLOOR = "Floor"; -- Dungeon Map Level |
| 02:33.13 | Aella | FLOOR_NUMBER = "Floor %d"; -- Dungeon Map Level |
| 02:33.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Like |
| 02:33.16 | kd3 | and gasp at rhonin in the violet citadel |
| 02:33.18 | ScytheBlade1 | WHY |
| 02:33.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm in Hyjal or I'd be on beta |
| 02:34.20 | Aella | So, instance maps? Maybe? *hopes* |
| 02:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Like, afk crying :( |
| 02:34.53 | ckknight | Aella: hmm... that'd be interesting |
| 02:35.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I liked my 24 mana kite bolts |
| 02:37.28 | kd3 | "Normal difficulty mode is not available for Violet Hold." |
| 02:37.32 | kd3 | no go on instance maps |
| 02:37.39 | kd3 | doubt that's gonna happen any time soon |
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| 02:38.42 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon |
| 02:39.17 | Aella | I'm aware of the official definition. =) |
| 02:39.41 | Aella | Achievement watching, fancy. |
| 02:40.09 | kd3 | whee. they fixed wrath questing... broke the 3k quest mark |
| 02:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
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| 02:41.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I wonder how long they'll take to put this build up on the launcher |
| 02:42.00 | Anaral | It's there. |
| 02:42.08 | Anaral | I got it from the launcher |
| 02:42.16 | ScytheBlade1 | 8714=WoW-3.0.1.8714-3.0.1.8770-{CPU}-{OS}-{LANG} |
| 02:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Not for US |
| 02:42.33 | Anaral | Um, I'm on US |
| 02:42.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Weird |
| 02:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://206.16.22.126/update/PatchSequenceFile.txt |
| 02:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Because that doesn't have it listed |
| 02:42.53 | Anaral | Well then it wasn't edited. :p |
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| 02:43.18 | Cralor` | Anaral: i don't see anything on the launcher =( |
| 02:43.34 | Icecoldcoke2 | Yay shaman spells have reasonable mana costs now. :) |
| 02:43.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't see it via launcher either |
| 02:43.57 | Anaral | Well I got it when I logged in. |
| 02:44.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Logged in != launcher |
| 02:44.10 | Mike-N-Go | nevcairiel: ping |
| 02:44.13 | Aella | I wonder if any dungeon maps are in the mpq yet. |
| 02:44.33 | Lunessa | Oh man... renewing accounts is the suck. |
| 02:44.33 | Anaral | Well fine, does it matter whether it's from the launcher or from the game itself? |
| 02:44.48 | kd3 | there's some adts for the outdoor areas of some dungeons, but that's all I've seen |
| 02:45.02 | Aella | adt? |
| 02:45.02 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, because they are two entirely different sources of patch download |
| 02:45.05 | ScytheBlade1 | (in theory) |
| 02:45.06 | kd3 | minimap info |
| 02:45.13 | Aella | Ah |
| 02:45.20 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll get the same bits, just via different mechanisms |
| 02:46.14 | jaxdahl | anyone figured out what the new map icons mean? |
| 02:46.37 | kd3 | the world map ones are broken. they botched the PoI markers |
| 02:46.43 | Lunessa | http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-graphs-dark-tunnel.gif |
| 02:46.45 | kd3 | we've got an icon for trivial quests on the minimap, though |
| 02:47.33 | jaxdahl | http://jax2.zenblue.net/wotlk_map.jpg |
| 02:47.40 | jaxdahl | kd3, that was in last build |
| 02:47.47 | End | lol |
| 02:47.57 | kd3 | the indicator, yes. not the icon |
| 02:48.28 | jaxdahl | ah yea |
| 02:48.54 | Lunessa | jaxdahl: Those look like PvP objective indicators and PvP NPC indicators. |
| 02:49.18 | jaxdahl | what about the ones in the lake? |
| 02:49.20 | jaxdahl | both lakes |
| 02:49.43 | End | holy crap |
| 02:49.51 | End | yeah the login screen finished dragon looks awesome |
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| 02:51.23 | Lunessa | jaxdahl: Not sure really. Might be worth going for a peek when I get home from the office. |
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| 02:56.52 | |pez| | ok, english folks... "come" can be used as a word for experiencing an orgasm, right? :P |
| 02:56.59 | |pez| | or is google lying to me? |
| 02:57.06 | jaxdahl | yes |
| 02:57.12 | jaxdahl | yes to the former |
| 02:57.19 | |pez| | thanks! |
| 02:57.21 | jaxdahl | 'come', 'coming', 'cum', 'cumming' |
| 02:57.24 | Neuro_Medivh | though, in that context it is usually spelled cum |
| 02:57.40 | jaxdahl | pronounced the same |
| 02:57.47 | |pez| | but it's allowed to write come... |
| 02:58.05 | jaxdahl | it's slang |
| 02:58.10 | jaxdahl | 17. Vulgar Slang. To experience orgasm. |
| 02:58.17 | Neuro_Medivh | see also: skeet |
| 02:59.41 | Icecoldcoke2 | Northrend's Northrend server already went down :( |
| 03:00.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shock |
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| 03:04.09 | Xuerian | Yeah, northrend is throwing a fit agian x.x |
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| 03:04.28 | kd3 | gah, the version of wintergrasp's map they shipped in this build is less-detailed than the one in 8770 |
| 03:05.03 | Aella | Lower resolution, or what? |
| 03:05.20 | kd3 | less PoIs drawn on the map. sec, lemme export what I've got of it |
| 03:05.41 | Icecoldcoke2 | WTB Character transfer to Lich King.. pst |
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| 03:07.09 | kd3 | compare http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/3030/lakewintergraspbykd3zz4.jpg (this build, after some stitching) to http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:WorldMap-LakeWintergrasp.jpg (last build) |
| 03:07.27 | Industrial | world down |
| 03:08.50 | Industrial | kd3: m that building north was more informative in the last one |
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| 03:09.07 | Aella | I'm betting the map will change again next build or something |
| 03:09.09 | kd3 | the whole map was better in the last one |
| 03:09.11 | kd3 | it will |
| 03:09.31 | kd3 | the "this build, after some stitching" map took work to just get it to that point. take a look at it in game |
| 03:09.41 | MentalPower | does anyone know what's the story with SBC's LAX office? http://www.internetpulse.net/ |
| 03:15.50 | Lunessa | MentalPower: My guess? The WHAM is over-heating. |
| 03:16.06 | kd3 | boo, the dalaran barbershop isn't a death trap any more |
| 03:16.17 | NightHawkTheSane | yay! |
| 03:16.18 | Lunessa | Check the pet store. |
| 03:16.22 | Corrodias | they fired their PPC's too quickly and didn't have enough heatsinks |
| 03:16.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: ... wow, that's not an ancient reference |
| 03:16.41 | ckknight | did they take out the blood worms? |
| 03:16.45 | Lunessa | They're not standing in water FFS. |
| 03:16.49 | kd3 | pet shop's been fixed too |
| 03:16.59 | Corrodias | ^5 Lunessa |
| 03:17.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: nah, unlinked from death strike and 12% chance to proc off melee swings now |
| 03:17.06 | End | oh, good they fixed the broken water in howling fjord |
| 03:17.11 | End | minor, but it looked crappy |
| 03:17.16 | ckknight | alright |
| 03:17.21 | Lunessa | Paint some f'ing kill rings on there, soldier. |
| 03:19.27 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower, i know someone who uses sbc here in LA has no connection |
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| 03:21.42 | kd3 | sweet, they fixed naxx, we can fly into it now |
| 03:21.46 | End | blarg...world server down? |
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| 03:23.33 | SeiferTim | Hello |
| 03:24.27 | Thunder_Child | hello SeiferTim |
| 03:25.09 | Lunessa | printf("Hello World!'); |
| 03:28.34 | ckknight | lua> print("Hello World!") -- :-P |
| 03:28.35 | lua_bot | ckknight: Hello World! |
| 03:29.13 | Lunessa | ckknight: argh, way to 1-up my funny. No more maps for j00! |
| 03:29.22 | ckknight | but mah mapz... |
| 03:29.36 | Lunessa | Maps, u needz dem. |
| 03:29.59 | ckknight | actually, I think I could do it funnier... |
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| 03:30.22 | Industrial | world down |
| 03:30.32 | ckknight | o noes, teh DHS is coming to get meh |
| 03:30.35 | Industrial | meh ill go to bed |
| 03:30.39 | ckknight | @echo Hello World, Lunessa |
| 03:30.40 | DHS | Hello World, Lunessa |
| 03:30.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know offhand what arch would be specified for the OSX client? |
| 03:30.50 | Lunessa | select dweebs from WoWUIDev |
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| 03:31.09 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: What do you mean, in WoW? |
| 03:31.09 | Duman | whee |
| 03:31.11 | Lunessa | And on that note, time to go. See you guys in game. |
| 03:31.31 | Thunder_Child | what lunessa doesnt know is that might happen |
| 03:31.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: yeah, ie, PCs would be "x86" |
| 03:31.51 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, did lun tell you the news? |
| 03:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | The same doesn't appply to OSX |
| 03:31.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 03:31.58 | Shirik | Wheredoes woW tell you that? |
| 03:32.09 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, did he phrase it as |
| 03:32.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, the PatchSequenceList.txt has the templates |
| 03:32.25 | Thunder_Child | " Lunessa: I'm fucking retarded." |
| 03:32.33 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:32.38 | ScytheBlade1 | No he did not |
| 03:32.50 | Thunder_Child | yes...that was much amusement right there |
| 03:32.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 03:33.14 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, i made a sandbox, go play in it |
| 03:33.16 | Industrial | add an s, commence laughter |
| 03:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I will once I'm out of Hyjal |
| 03:33.23 | Thunder_Child | or rather i made him make a sandbox |
| 03:33.30 | Industrial | oh, and remove a d |
| 03:33.31 | Industrial | D: |
| 03:33.32 | Thunder_Child | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:33.32 | purl | blasts ScytheBlade1 with a huge firehose then strangles ScytheBlade1 with it |
| 03:33.43 | Duman | hmm |
| 03:33.48 | Duman | Shield Block buffed |
| 03:33.57 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, if she is hot i dont think he would care |
| 03:33.59 | Duman | it's now a "block everything for 5s" ability |
| 03:34.17 | Duman | s/5s/5s, at twice your block value/ |
| 03:34.19 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: thing is with retards... |
| 03:34.46 | Industrial | anyway nn! |
| 03:34.57 | Thunder_Child | please Industrial, continue |
| 03:36.30 | Shirik | hmmmm I wonder what this is |
| 03:36.47 | Shirik | browsing through console and I found this usePreemptiveCasting |
| 03:37.35 | NightHawkTheSane | bah. a friend of mine got tickets to blizzcon. >.> |
| 03:39.45 | Aiiane | lol @ killing kaz after 28 marks >.> |
| 03:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | o_0 |
| 03:40.22 | Aiiane | 7mins15sec! :P |
| 03:41.42 | ScytheBlade1 | o_o |
| 03:41.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I am in awe |
| 03:41.56 | MentalPower | Thunder_Child: thanks, I was starting to think it was a false alarm, since its been down for more than a day now (just noticed today) |
| 03:42.20 | Aiiane | ScytheBlade1: shadow resist is an amazing thing :P |
| 03:42.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Aiiane: we *just* killed him |
| 03:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | In under 3m |
| 03:42.41 | Aiiane | (main tank dying to a stupid burst at 60% is not amazing) |
| 03:42.50 | Aiiane | normally we'd kill him faster |
| 03:43.03 | Aiiane | but MT death + rampaging through ranged groups sort of killed off half the dps :P |
| 03:43.18 | Aiiane | one of our ferals managed to pick him up through and held him the rest of the fight |
| 03:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | We've had that happen once when we were learning him |
| 03:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | All that was left was Thrall, the tank, and two resto druids |
| 03:43.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Nerf their regen |
| 03:43.51 | Aiiane | heh |
| 03:44.03 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 03:44.08 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower, well my friends only went down about....3pm pdt today |
| 03:44.21 | Aiiane | we had basically 2/3 of the melee, me (a warlock), a resto druid, and a holy priest |
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| 03:44.38 | Aiiane | I can keep myself up pretty much indefinitely if i get a hot every once in a while |
| 03:46.26 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, the scary part is, is that it's still going on. 5 hours and counting |
| 03:46.31 | Thunder_Child | great stamina |
| 03:46.43 | NightHawkTheSane | that IS impressive. |
| 03:47.35 | Thunder_Child | you have something to add MentalPower? |
| 03:47.58 | MentalPower | I will abstain from comments :P |
| 03:48.51 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 03:48.53 | Thunder_Child | "+MentalPower head -> desk" is a comment |
| 03:50.12 | Mike-N-Go | seen funkydude |
| 03:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,5143,700250660,00.html |
| 03:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | "Three adults were arrested after police say they allowed a 12-year-old they were baby-sitting to smoke marijuana." |
| 03:50.48 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8974837994&pageNo=3&sid=1#44 |
| 03:50.52 | Mike-N-Go | Funkeh`: You are funkydude, right? |
| 03:51.02 | kd3 | downranking info. all classes ^ |
| 03:51.06 | kd3 | mana-using* |
| 03:53.31 | Cralor` | Mike-N-Go: ~seen Funkeh` |
| 03:53.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Mike-N-Go: he is. |
| 03:53.56 | Cralor` | ~seen Funkeh` |
| 03:54.00 | purl | funkeh` is currently on #wowhead (7h 41m 19s) #wowuidev (7h 41m 19s) #wowace (7h 41m 19s) #curseforge (7h 41m 19s), last said: 'Ellipsis, you should know!'. |
| 03:54.18 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: wow. that basically kills downranking dead. end of story |
| 03:54.25 | kd3 | no joke |
| 03:54.44 | Cralor` | http://codepad.org/jnJF1RC6 - what is so stupidly wrong with this? |
| 03:54.47 | NightHawkTheSane | that's not a "we'll fuck your coefficiants" that's "stop that, you stupid fuck." |
| 03:54.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:54.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 03:56.11 | kd3 | rofl; http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5008/wowscrnshot081308235418gx2.jpg |
| 03:56.47 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 03:56.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That ice lance? |
| 03:56.54 | kd3 | frostbolt |
| 03:56.59 | kd3 | cast bar's still on the screen. >.> |
| 03:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:57.17 | ScytheBlade1 | On Archimonde right now |
| 03:57.27 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i've been hearing things about ginormouos spell effects for mges.. |
| 03:57.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Only paying so much attention, lol |
| 03:57.30 | Mike-N-Go | Wow.. that would kill down-ranking, yup. |
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| 04:00.52 | NightHawkTheSane | weeeeee northrend puking it's guts out again |
| 04:01.19 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: my bug isnt fixed =( |
| 04:01.38 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: the cycle time is longer than you think |
| 04:01.39 | kd3 | sweet! a victory for copyleft |
| 04:01.50 | kd3 | "Court: violating copyleft = coypright infringement" |
| 04:01.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 04:02.18 | kd3 | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080813-court-violating-copyleft-copyright-infringement.html |
| 04:03.20 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 04:04.04 | Industrial | kd3: wtf retarded @ downraking thing |
| 04:04.20 | kd3 | yah. I'm seriously going 'wtf' still, much like the rest of the forum community |
| 04:04.33 | Corrodias | what's copyleft? |
| 04:04.39 | Industrial | i guess its fine for single target healers; anticipate damage and break your heal if its not coming and just dont top people off yourself |
| 04:04.44 | Industrial | but what about healing shammies? |
| 04:04.52 | Industrial | ( i dont really know how druid healing works) |
| 04:05.05 | kd3 | licenses like the GPL that give rights to people, not take them away like standard EULAs |
| 04:05.45 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft |
| 04:06.03 | Industrial | kd3: you could see liability for any kind of damage as being taken away by copyleft licenses as well |
| 04:06.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: we stack more regen, i guess. >.> |
| 04:06.46 | Corrodias | woot, i must say. |
| 04:06.54 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: im already getting all mp5 i can get |
| 04:07.16 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: even above healing (at 1700) because i go oom so fast |
| 04:07.52 | Industrial | this means i cant ever spam a raid with heals anymore, so topping people off will be impossible? |
| 04:08.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not sure what the practical impact will be |
| 04:08.05 | Industrial | will they not use any spike damage in their new encounters then? |
| 04:08.13 | kd3 | sigh at northrend's hamster having a seizure |
| 04:09.14 | End | zomgworldserverdown |
| 04:10.00 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: the practical impact will be like I said not going to heal people with -10% hp cause you are wasting over 50% of your heal |
| 04:10.29 | Industrial | i guess sitting out of combat more |
| 04:10.35 | Industrial | doing nothing :P |
| 04:10.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: well, change regen, or give us more regen tools.. that might not be an issue |
| 04:11.11 | Industrial | normal spirit->mp5 would be nice :3 |
| 04:11.34 | Industrial | cause, after all, arent shamans spiritual by "nature" ? |
| 04:11.52 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 04:11.59 | End | all healing classes are "spiritual" |
| 04:13.28 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: I am guessing localdefense or a slip up :p |
| 04:13.35 | End | slip up |
| 04:13.43 | End | they added more icons I think |
| 04:13.45 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom's a slip up |
| 04:13.52 | End | but forgot to update the texcoords |
| 04:14.32 | Icecoldcoke2 | Wow o.O |
| 04:14.37 | Icecoldcoke2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8991469405&postId=89207228588&sid=1#5 |
| 04:15.47 | Aella | >.< |
| 04:16.50 | NightHawkTheSane | excellent |
| 04:18.17 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 04:18.33 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 04:19.39 | Industrial | kd3: proccing healing way*3 on your warrior in arenas with a rank 1 healing wave was also nice |
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| 04:20.30 | Industrial | nn |
| 04:20.53 | Industrial | oh not to forget totems and earthshock |
| 04:21.02 | Shirik | so, wowmatrix is even worse than I ever though |
| 04:21.03 | Shirik | thought* |
| 04:21.25 | Shirik | apparently it bombards servers with packets causing them to rake in bandwidth costs |
| 04:21.30 | Icecoldcoke2 | Hmm.. Storm Peaks and Icecrown quest achievements are no longer NYI |
| 04:21.32 | Shirik | 800 packets to update one addon in about half a second |
| 04:21.33 | Icecoldcoke2 | INTERESTING. |
| 04:21.49 | gramg | wow, that's retarded |
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| 04:23.35 | Shirik | oop sorry it's closer to 880 packets |
| 04:24.04 | kd3 | ho... looks like they added a threat meter a la omen/KTM |
| 04:24.13 | kd3 | NUM_THREAT_BARS = 5; |
| 04:24.18 | Antiarc | Ooh. |
| 04:25.21 | Antiarc | I will be so happy if they have a nearly complete replacement in the stock UI |
| 04:25.32 | Antiarc | Because it's important to have an I have no time. |
| 04:26.13 | kd3 | +TRANSFER_ABORT_UNIQUE_MESSAGE1 = "Until you've escaped The Lich King's grasp, you cannot leave this place!"; |
| 04:26.20 | kd3 | figured that was going to have to happen soonish |
| 04:26.47 | Iriel | summons out of DK central? |
| 04:26.50 | kd3 | ya |
| 04:26.55 | Aella | Zomg it's a spoiler! |
| 04:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: you KNOW the very first thread in general will be "LOL @ BLIZZARDS THREAT METER!!!11oneoneone" |
| 04:27.09 | gramg | hehe |
| 04:27.14 | Aella | Also: BLIZZARD RIPPED OFF OMEN, SUE THEM |
| 04:27.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:27.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That |
| 04:27.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Right there |
| 04:27.28 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 04:27.32 | Aella | Also: blizzard's threat meter sucks, just hire the people who made omen |
| 04:27.46 | Antiarc | The Omen guys are noobs |
| 04:27.50 | ScytheBlade1 | qft |
| 04:27.53 | gramg | lol |
| 04:27.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Such ignorant tools |
| 04:28.00 | Thunder_Child | anyone who went to blizzcon (or read about it) knows they were going to do their own threat meter |
| 04:28.00 | End | no kidding! |
| 04:28.14 | End | I mean, if I ever find the guy who wrote Omen, I'm gonna punch him in the face! |
| 04:28.18 | End | right, Antiarc? |
| 04:28.22 | Antiarc | Yeah, for real. |
| 04:28.27 | Antiarc | The guy's a total cockdouche. |
| 04:28.31 | End | lol |
| 04:28.32 | gramg | still room for Omen, just make it GUI only assuming that everything threat 2.0 supplies will allow an Omen2 type display |
| 04:28.51 | gramg | cause I think 99% of what blizz makes is ugly |
| 04:28.53 | kd3 | I'm still /sadpanda'ing that built-in ItemRack isn't going to make it for wrath ship |
| 04:29.02 | Antiarc | yeah :( |
| 04:29.06 | Antiarc | I was looking forward to bag space |
| 04:29.30 | NightHawkTheSane | bag spaces is for loserse |
| 04:29.32 | gramg | er blizz supplies |
| 04:30.33 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc, you already get space from mounts and non-combat pets |
| 04:30.40 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, wtb good linux native MPQ editor |
| 04:30.40 | Antiarc | I know |
| 04:30.46 | Antiarc | But I have much more gear than I do pets/mounts :P |
| 04:30.51 | Thunder_Child | its better slow |
| 04:31.01 | Thunder_Child | just like your first time |
| 04:31.07 | kd3 | native would be nice, mpqedit2's pretty damn good in wine with the appropriate shellscripts in ~/bin |
| 04:31.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Which scripts? |
| 04:31.34 | Antiarc | There's a java MPQ extractor around somewhere, command line |
| 04:31.43 | Antiarc | Give it a path to extract and it dumps them, with wildcards |
| 04:31.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure I don't have a working JRE on here, haha |
| 04:32.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I should really look into fixing that eventually though |
| 04:32.07 | Antiarc | I installed OS X on my workstation last night |
| 04:32.15 | Antiarc | So I'm dual booting XP and OS X |
| 04:32.17 | Antiarc | It's kinda sweet. |
| 04:32.52 | kd3 | just a simple launcher script... http://wowi.pastey.net/93773 |
| 04:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, gotcha |
| 04:34.09 | Cralor` | http://codepad.org/jnJF1RC6 - what's wrong with the function and ends? |
| 04:34.27 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.49 | Antiarc | are the servers up? |
| 04:34.54 | Iriel | You missed an end at the end of MoveSeperate() |
| 04:34.54 | kd3 | yes and no |
| 04:34.56 | Antiarc | I'm raiding right now |
| 04:34.59 | kd3 | world server's been crashing all night |
| 04:34.59 | Iriel | which is misspelled too, I think |
| 04:34.59 | Antiarc | So I can't check |
| 04:35.12 | Iriel | oh, no you didn't you just put it in a wierd place |
| 04:35.30 | Cralor` | no it pasted weird |
| 04:35.33 | Cralor` | i will used wowi |
| 04:35.34 | Cralor` | 1 sec |
| 04:35.37 | Shirik | Cralor`: You need to tabulate correctly |
| 04:35.43 | Shirik | tab out your "for" on line 39 |
| 04:35.48 | Shirik | and you should see it plain as day |
| 04:35.54 | Icecoldcoke2 | Lol <GM> Hunny again |
| 04:35.55 | Icecoldcoke2 | http://i515.photobucket.com/albums/t356/InitialRX/WoWScrnShot_081408_000241.jpg |
| 04:36.16 | Shirik | (or you're missing an "end" right before the "for" |
| 04:36.59 | Cralor` | oh i c ty :D |
| 04:37.26 | Thunder_Child | s/for"/for")/ |
| 04:37.33 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik |
| 04:37.34 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Shirik. I hate you because you fail. |
| 04:37.34 | Shirik | stfu |
| 04:38.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 04:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ~botsnack |
| 04:38.03 | purl | thanks, ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:38.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That was perfect |
| 04:39.07 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
| 04:39.08 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Shirik and suddenly hugs Shirik tightly |
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| 04:43.38 | Cralor` | http://wowi.pastey.net/93775/53 - now it says there is a '?' on like 53.... |
| 04:44.14 | Shirik | what does the error say |
| 04:44.22 | Shirik | that ? probably means what would go there cannot be determined |
| 04:44.26 | Cralor` | attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) |
| 04:44.40 | Shirik | i is probably nil |
| 04:44.41 | Shirik | is it? |
| 04:44.59 | Cralor` | it doesn't say that, no |
| 04:45.10 | Shirik | that was not a question about what the error says |
| 04:45.16 | Shirik | that was a question about what is actually going on |
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| 04:45.25 | Cralor` | oh 'i' |
| 04:45.26 | Shirik | lua> local foo = {}; return foo[i]; |
| 04:45.27 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 04:45.28 | Ackis | ok weird issue... after a restart GetMerchantItemLink(i) returns nil until items are loaded into your cache, yet a while (GetMerchantItemLink(i) == nil) makes me lock up |
| 04:45.29 | Shirik | er |
| 04:45.33 | Shirik | lua> local foo = {}; return foo.bar[i]; |
| 04:45.34 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to index field 'bar' (a nil value) |
| 04:45.37 | Shirik | bleh |
| 04:45.45 | Shirik | lua> local foo = {}; return foo[i].x; |
| 04:45.46 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) |
| 04:45.48 | Shirik | there we go |
| 04:45.53 | Shirik | ^ That's what the error looks like, no? :) |
| 04:46.01 | Cralor` | right |
| 04:46.04 | Shirik | That's because field "i" has no meaning |
| 04:46.17 | Shirik | it's not field "i", it's a field that doesn't exist |
| 04:46.43 | Cralor` | but "runes[i]" means something. that doesn't count? |
| 04:46.59 | Shirik | I'm going to assume that i is nil at the time you do that |
| 04:47.05 | Shirik | therefore runes[i] is nil |
| 04:47.19 | Shirik | since runes[nil] cannot (with an exception that I'm not getting into right now) contain a value |
| 04:47.33 | Shirik | s/contain/return/ |
| 04:47.45 | Cralor` | alright thanks |
| 04:47.59 | Shirik | I think that "i" should be a 1 |
| 04:47.59 | Shirik | no? |
| 04:48.35 | Cralor` | yes it should be |
| 04:48.59 | Ackis | http://wowi.pastey.net/93776 <-- locking me up |
| 04:52.48 | End | haha |
| 04:53.04 | End | driving vehicles is fun in a funny sort of way |
| 04:53.09 | kd3 | heh. it works |
| 04:53.20 | End | yeah it does |
| 04:53.30 | End | I burst out laughing when I tried to go up the side of a mountain |
| 04:53.48 | End | I keep trying to strafe though |
| 04:53.51 | End | doesn't work so well :P |
| 04:54.58 | End | ok, and the targetting arc isn't showing...I dunno if it is supposed to for these or not |
| 04:55.06 | End | (driving a forsaken blight spreader for a quest) |
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| 04:55.34 | NightHawkTheSane | is that the one quest in Borean tundra? |
| 04:55.41 | End | dragonblight |
| 04:55.58 | NightHawkTheSane | okay |
| 04:56.13 | End | oops |
| 04:56.17 | NightHawkTheSane | is northrend actually stable? |
| 04:56.27 | End | I'm in northrend on lich king |
| 04:56.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it ever? </cheapshot> |
| 04:56.36 | End | it was crashing early, but is fine now |
| 04:57.05 | NightHawkTheSane | is lich king pve or pvp? |
| 04:57.08 | Ackis | I don't know if it's stable or if it's my while loop, but I'm crashing a lot |
| 04:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | pvp |
| 04:57.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, k. |
| 04:57.17 | ScytheBlade1 | northrend is PvE |
| 04:57.33 | End | yeah, my deathknight is on the pve server, warlock on pve |
| 04:57.37 | End | er |
| 04:57.39 | End | yeah, my deathknight is on the pve server, warlock on pvp |
| 04:58.08 | |Jelly| | http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i63/Tophatjones/clubme2.jpg <3 |
| 04:58.20 | End | lol |
| 04:58.24 | Duman | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/august/8788/bsmith/titaniumweaponchain.jpg |
| 04:58.38 | Duman | oh, snap |
| 04:58.39 | Duman | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/august/8788/tailor/tailoring_05.jpg |
| 04:58.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, you couldn't get me on a pvp server if you paid me |
| 04:58.56 | Duman | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/august/8788/tailor/tailoring_07.jpg |
| 04:59.16 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: lol |
| 04:59.33 | |Jelly| | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah ... pvp servers blow. |
| 04:59.44 | |Jelly| | If I didn't have so many friends that I might actually miss, I'd be gone in a heart-beat. |
| 05:00.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. I actually DO miss my friends. |
| 05:00.02 | Duman | o.O |
| 05:00.02 | Duman | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/august/8788/jewel/jewelcraft_17.jpg |
| 05:00.08 | NightHawkTheSane | I just couldn't stand being on a pvp server. |
| 05:00.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: o_o |
| 05:00.20 | ScytheBlade1 | (Nerf!) |
| 05:00.29 | End | I don't get easily frustrated :) |
| 05:00.30 | NightHawkTheSane | shit, thats nice |
| 05:00.30 | Duman | at least it's unique-equipped |
| 05:00.35 | Duman | but still |
| 05:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 05:01.12 | End | haha |
| 05:01.12 | NightHawkTheSane | End: its not so much easily frustrated as it is putting up with douchebags who think world pvp of any sort is even remotely entertaining |
| 05:01.21 | End | you can drive vehicles into buildings |
| 05:01.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: poke |
| 05:02.17 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: stab |
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| 05:03.24 | |Jelly| | Read: Asstards that think there's sport in killing level 20s as a brutal 70. |
| 05:03.44 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: more or less, yeah. |
| 05:04.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Although I find it pretty despicable to kill anyone who's just minding their own business questing/farming/whatever. |
| 05:04.40 | |Jelly| | Exactly. |
| 05:04.57 | |Jelly| | If it weren't for like 10 people in my guild, I'd already be on Shirik's server. lol |
| 05:05.33 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 05:08.52 | Sixen | uh |
| 05:08.59 | Sixen | The Beta ToC is 30100, not 30000? |
| 05:09.19 | NightHawkTheSane | no, it's 30000 |
| 05:09.32 | Sixen | WoWWiki says 30100.. Should we fix it? |
| 05:09.36 | kd3 | yes |
| 05:09.39 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 05:09.42 | NightHawkTheSane | GetBuildInfo() says 30000 |
| 05:10.34 | kd3 | and fixed |
| 05:11.58 | Sixen | =] |
| 05:20.51 | Sargeras | dont be jealous because she <3's me |
| 05:21.06 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:21.12 | Sargeras | I'm trying to make a tshirt for the Con ;p |
| 05:21.14 | ccox | Cairenn then catches ccox's cold |
| 05:21.48 | Cairenn | Sargeras: you damn well better not be talking about the one I think you're talking about |
| 05:21.58 | Cairenn | I swear I'm going to kill Dolby |
| 05:22.05 | kd3 | can we watch? |
| 05:22.12 | ccox | "I spent two days online looking at a murloc, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" |
| 05:22.23 | Sargeras | uh |
| 05:22.24 | Sargeras | no |
| 05:22.29 | Cairenn | kd3: you want to watch me sneeze? what sort of freak are you? |
| 05:22.38 | Sargeras | http://www.retpaladin.com/warcraft/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=693&start=60 |
| 05:22.43 | kd3 | [01:21:58] <@Cairenn> I swear I'm going to kill Dolby |
| 05:22.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno.. it could be hot.. if you're into that kind of thing |
| 05:23.20 | Cairenn | Sargeras: ah, okay |
| 05:23.27 | Cairenn | guess I don't need to kill dolby then |
| 05:23.37 | ccox | hmm, thordurin has some skillz |
| 05:23.40 | Sargeras | I have no idea what you were talking about |
| 05:23.49 | Sargeras | skillz? eh |
| 05:23.54 | Sargeras | that was me screwing around |
| 05:23.56 | Sargeras | 20 minutes |
| 05:24.04 | Sargeras | I didnt put much thought into it |
| 05:24.10 | Sargeras | if I did it would look better |
| 05:24.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Sargeras: you should have just pretended it was what she thought it was, you totally could have eliminated Dolby |
| 05:24.29 | kd3 | ^ |
| 05:24.41 | ccox | but, is that all that goes on the shirt? it doesn't fit a vertical profile well. |
| 05:24.58 | ccox | maybe a large version of the figure on the back, smaller on the front with text |
| 05:25.03 | Sargeras | probably |
| 05:25.10 | Sargeras | like I said, no serious thought into it |
| 05:25.17 | ccox | The serif'd typeface won't hold well on a silk screen |
| 05:25.26 | Sargeras | yup =( |
| 05:25.33 | Sargeras | hi kd3 <3 |
| 05:25.37 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 05:25.40 | ccox | the colors (white, gray, yellow gold) would work well on several dark fabrics |
| 05:26.36 | ccox | but don't try to screen the gray from white, or it'll look crappy |
| 05:26.41 | Sargeras | those of us on the website are just crunching ideas |
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| 05:27.01 | ccox | and unfortunately, you can't use those colors on an iron-on transfer |
| 05:27.10 | Sargeras | so is: |
| 05:27.10 | Sargeras | http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/shop/ |
| 05:27.41 | ccox | not a bad start, though |
| 05:27.46 | ccox | yeah, that's not a bad design either |
| 05:27.54 | Sargeras | I didnt do those |
| 05:27.59 | Sargeras | "Righteous Fury turns me on" |
| 05:28.01 | Sargeras | lol |
| 05:28.21 | ccox | first lesson in being an artist - appreciate other people's work |
| 05:28.30 | Sargeras | I do! |
| 05:28.37 | ccox | second less - figure out how they did it, and steal shamelessly |
| 05:28.41 | Sargeras | went to college for interactive media design |
| 05:28.45 | Sargeras | but I work IT lol |
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| 05:28.50 | Sargeras | so I havent done it in years |
| 05:29.01 | Kirov | third lesson - believe your copy is superior and make fun of the original |
| 05:29.06 | ccox | I haven't either - but I still have airbrushes and silkscreens |
| 05:29.11 | Sargeras | Dolby knows most of my work though |
| 05:29.26 | Sargeras | he was my admin for years |
| 05:30.35 | Sargeras | Cairenn |
| 05:30.39 | Sargeras | you ok? <3 |
| 05:30.41 | Cairenn | Sargeras |
| 05:30.47 | Cairenn | I'm fine, why? |
| 05:30.52 | Sargeras | kinda scared me for a sec ;p |
| 05:31.03 | Sargeras | I thought you were about to go kungfu on me |
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| 05:31.06 | Cairenn | why, because I said I'm gonna kill Dolby? |
| 05:31.08 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:31.17 | Kirov | Cairenn scares me every second of every day. |
| 05:31.23 | Cairenn | :( |
| 05:31.30 | Kirov | ... |
| 05:31.34 | Kirov | With how awesome she is! |
| 05:31.43 | Cairenn | suckup |
| 05:31.53 | Kirov | :D |
| 05:32.01 | Sargeras | hell hath no fury like a Canadian woman's scorn |
| 05:35.49 | Corrodias | now now, don't buy into the hype |
| 05:35.55 | MentalPower | Sargeras: oh so true :) |
| 05:36.37 | Sargeras | MentalPower: Are we speaking from personal experience? :D |
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| 05:37.05 | Kirov | Sargeras - you've obviously never met an italian woman... or spanish, or mexican, or columbian |
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| 05:37.34 | MentalPower | no comment :) |
| 05:37.59 | Sargeras | my ex was jamcian/puerto rican |
| 05:38.03 | Sargeras | close enough? |
| 05:38.09 | Sargeras | jamacian* |
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| 05:39.08 | MentalPower | Jamaican* |
| 05:39.16 | Sargeras | danke |
| 05:40.30 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: what was that threat cvar? |
| 05:41.10 | Duman | showThreatMeter |
| 05:41.12 | Duman | err, I think |
| 05:41.26 | Duman | you need to make a dummp function tho, too |
| 05:41.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 05:41.32 | Duman | wtf |
| 05:41.34 | Duman | dummy |
| 05:42.23 | Duman | I think it was IsThreatMeterVisible or something |
| 05:42.28 | Duman | just make it return true |
| 05:42.39 | Duman | lost my scrollback or I'd tell you for sure |
| 05:43.22 | Sixen | more blizzcon tickers |
| 05:43.23 | Duman | IsThreatWarningEnabled |
| 05:43.29 | Duman | sixen what? |
| 05:43.29 | Sixen | are going to be sold |
| 05:43.33 | Sixen | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml |
| 05:43.38 | Sixen | "Statement from Mike Morhaime" |
| 05:44.04 | Sargeras | yeah I just read that |
| 05:44.06 | Sargeras | and wow |
| 05:44.11 | Sargeras | and hi sixen |
| 05:44.15 | Sixen | Hai. |
| 05:44.17 | Duman | interesting |
| 05:44.18 | Sargeras | <~~~ Thordk |
| 05:44.22 | Sixen | *waves* |
| 05:44.30 | Duman | To avoid the issues many of you faced this week, we'll be selling these 3,000 via a lottery. We'll post further details once our plans are finalized. |
| 05:44.30 | Sixen | <~~~ Sixen |
| 05:44.32 | Sixen | ;) |
| 05:44.51 | kd3 | now the question is... why the hell didn't they do that the first time we crashed the damn store? |
| 05:45.20 | Sargeras | the lottery? |
| 05:45.27 | Duman | I dunno |
| 05:45.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Posted by: MikeM |
| 05:45.36 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 05:45.39 | Sargeras | reevaluating the hall space is gonna be hard |
| 05:45.51 | Duman | to be honest, I bet they had a buffer |
| 05:45.58 | Sargeras | depending on the current setup |
| 05:46.02 | Duman | maybe not a 3k buffer, but a buffer of some sort |
| 05:46.06 | MentalPower | I think they just bought the rest of the Anaheim Convention Center |
| 05:46.06 | kd3 | I'd be shocked if they didn't have a buffer |
| 05:46.10 | kd3 | shocked beyond belief |
| 05:46.14 | Duman | heh |
| 05:46.23 | Sixen | =x |
| 05:46.44 | Sargeras | buffer was probably press passes, VIP, Viviendi's + sponsors, reserved website contests |
| 05:47.03 | ScytheBlade1 | But a 3,000 person buffer? |
| 05:47.08 | Sargeras | no no no |
| 05:47.28 | Sargeras | the 3k is after they rearrange the floor plan |
| 05:47.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 05:48.07 | Sargeras | I used to help setup large venue events |
| 05:48.19 | Iriel | teh 3000 may be the number that they found they had left after they dealt with (a) reserved tickets from their system that failed, (b) customers complaining that they were charged multiple times,, and (c) realizing they can get more money and squeezing more folks in 8-) |
| 05:48.32 | Sargeras | lol hi Iriel ;p |
| 05:48.41 | Sixen | Exactly. |
| 05:48.47 | Sixen | After the errors, they had 3k left. |
| 05:49.09 | Sargeras | maybe |
| 05:49.12 | Duman | I bet that happened |
| 05:49.14 | Duman | honestly |
| 05:49.20 | Sargeras | "Due to these circumstances, we've reevaluated our convention hall space and come up with some solutions that will allow us to offer 3,000 more tickets for sale." |
| 05:49.20 | Duman | like my tickets :P |
| 05:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, same |
| 05:49.26 | Corrodias | maybe i should buy one thousand tickets and NOT GO :D |
| 05:49.33 | Sargeras | but, i can believe that because I've been there |
| 05:49.40 | Sargeras | "Sarg, we need more space, find it" |
| 05:49.44 | Sargeras | "...ok" |
| 05:50.01 | Cairenn | well, I know that they pulled some back from the initial number they thought they were going to be giving to fansites |
| 05:50.01 | Sixen | Rofl |
| 05:50.12 | Cairenn | not enough to count for the full 3k, but some of them |
| 05:51.11 | Sargeras | usually results in tossing out and moving props/equipment around |
| 05:51.29 | Corrodias | 3000 MAY not be all that many compared to the total number of attendees. do you know how many they offered before now? |
| 05:51.56 | Cairenn | ? |
| 05:52.04 | Sargeras | the total sold? |
| 05:52.10 | Cairenn | was that directed at me Corrodias, or ? |
| 05:52.13 | Corrodias | like... maybe it's an increase of only 10% |
| 05:52.20 | Corrodias | just speculation |
| 05:52.22 | Cairenn | they sold 12k |
| 05:52.26 | Corrodias | directed at anyone who knows |
| 05:52.34 | Corrodias | ah. well, that is quite a difference |
| 05:52.53 | Sixen | Well, i'm heading to bed. Night everyone. |
| 05:53.11 | Thunder_Child | how many atendees were there last year? |
| 05:53.13 | Sargeras | night six |
| 05:53.16 | Sargeras | and btw |
| 05:53.16 | Sixen | <3 |
| 05:53.21 | Sixen | TC: 8k last year |
| 05:53.21 | Duman | later sixen |
| 05:53.21 | Sargeras | gratz on making the book ;p |
| 05:53.24 | Sixen | BC05 = 4k |
| 05:53.28 | Sixen | BC07 = 8k |
| 05:53.32 | Sixen | BC08 = 12k |
| 05:53.34 | Sixen | And thanks Sarge, :P |
| 05:53.42 | Sargeras | BC09 = 16k |
| 05:53.43 | Sixen | Adios Spider, ;). |
| 05:53.45 | Sargeras | I sense a pattern |
| 05:53.47 | Sixen | Lawl |
| 05:53.48 | Thunder_Child | it works, last year wasnt all that crowded |
| 05:53.50 | Duman | lol |
| 05:53.52 | Sixen | :) |
| 05:53.56 | Thunder_Child | most people were corraled into lines |
| 05:54.02 | Sixen | Agreed. |
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| 05:54.05 | Sixen | The first one was ridiculous, :(. |
| 05:54.13 | Sixen | The line to get in stretched all the way around the building. |
| 05:54.20 | Sixen | Stood in line for 2 hours waiting to get in. |
| 05:54.28 | Thunder_Child | to get in where? |
| 05:54.36 | Sixen | Into the convention center. |
| 05:54.53 | Thunder_Child | i think with the addition of the 3rd hall (and prolly some of the upper rooms) they can fit in another 7 K total |
| 05:54.56 | Sixen | It's worth it though. Can't even express how it is when you actually get into the center. It's badass. |
| 05:55.07 | Sixen | And, not all 12k people will be there at once. |
| 05:55.11 | Sixen | Anyway, night! |
| 05:55.12 | Thunder_Child | 2 hours? took me 10 min to get in |
| 05:55.23 | Thunder_Child | and that was before the doors opened |
| 05:55.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd kinda like to go, a couple of my friends on the server are going.. but meh... |
| 05:55.31 | Sixen | BC05, not 07. |
| 05:55.37 | Thunder_Child | oh, well, nvm then |
| 05:55.47 | Sixen | =p |
| 05:56.03 | Thunder_Child | i didnt even know there was a 2k5 blizzcon till the 2k8 one |
| 05:56.17 | Sargeras | that was Murky |
| 05:56.28 | Sargeras | he gets me all the girls |
| 05:56.33 | Sargeras | he's like a puppy irl |
| 05:56.37 | jaxdahl | BC08=15k |
| 05:57.03 | Thunder_Child | wait...is that 15K total or just purchased? |
| 05:57.12 | jaxdahl | 12K sold, another 3K in lottery coming |
| 05:57.14 | kd3 | meh, maybe the miracle will happen after all. anyway, it's 0200 my time. gotta crash |
| 05:57.19 | Sargeras | you could say BC attendance every year is proportional to the total WoW population ;p |
| 05:57.27 | Sargeras | not really, but fun to think that |
| 05:57.27 | Thunder_Child | then that 15K + all the tickes that are given away |
| 05:57.33 | Duman | nigth kd3 |
| 05:57.41 | Sargeras | night kd |
| 05:57.45 | Thunder_Child | s/that/thats/ |
| 05:57.59 | Thunder_Child | which = to maybe 500-1000 |
| 05:58.02 | jaxdahl | where are the bigger convention centers in the LA area? |
| 05:58.02 | Arrowmaster | think of all the tickets people are buying that they wont even use, they just want the extra goodie bags |
| 05:58.16 | Thunder_Child | jaxdahl, i think the LA convention center is larger |
| 05:58.20 | Thunder_Child | and more expensive |
| 05:58.26 | Thunder_Child | and farther from blizzard |
| 05:58.34 | jaxdahl | any idea what convention center prices run? |
| 05:58.52 | Kirov | One hall of the LA convention center can hold the entire Anehim convention center inside it. |
| 05:58.53 | Sargeras | depends which one |
| 05:58.58 | Thunder_Child | 10 billion dollars! |
| 05:59.04 | Sargeras | the LA one is larger |
| 05:59.24 | Arrowmaster | im stuck on a loading screen on beta |
| 05:59.27 | Arrowmaster | damn lag |
| 05:59.28 | Thunder_Child | the LA held E3, i think it can handle most anything |
| 05:59.40 | Cairenn | they should hold it in vegas like SOE does :p |
| 05:59.43 | jaxdahl | Arrowmaster, lich king northrend world server crashed a few min ago |
| 05:59.44 | Sargeras | but anaheim is closer and since Blizzard's target audience in age is very wide... the fact that Disneyland is right there probably helps |
| 05:59.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but E3 is also a multi-event thing |
| 05:59.51 | jaxdahl | sounds like some convention centers take a percentage of the gross of tickets sold |
| 05:59.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Blizzard has had two stages in the past |
| 05:59.51 | Sargeras | yes cairenn! |
| 05:59.54 | Duman | mad lag |
| 05:59.56 | ScytheBlade1 | E3 has... a lot more than two |
| 06:00.06 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, only if it is at the same time as defcon |
| 06:00.07 | Kirov | One year LA held E3, and at the same time held a plumbing expo |
| 06:00.28 | Kirov | That was a weird year. |
| 06:00.35 | Sargeras | I went one year |
| 06:00.44 | Sargeras | with Dolby actually |
| 06:00.58 | Thunder_Child | i wish it was the LA one, that would be 20min by car |
| 06:01.08 | Sargeras | they were always in LA |
| 06:01.17 | Sargeras | but now they're horrible |
| 06:01.25 | Kirov | For some reason, every damn person on the street seemed to know about the plumbing expo, but didn't know about E3... ignoring the fact that EVERYTHING around the convention center was plastered with video game ads and E3 signs. |
| 06:01.28 | jaxdahl | which halls did they use last year? |
| 06:01.43 | Arrowmaster | stuck at loading screen but i keep hearing the sound of guild memebers logging on and off |
| 06:01.49 | Sargeras | plumbing is serious business |
| 06:01.50 | Sargeras | >.> |
| 06:01.56 | jaxdahl | was it A & B or D & E? |
| 06:02.19 | Thunder_Child | only time i went to the LA con center was for the wired expo |
| 06:02.23 | Dolby | plumbing is old school networking |
| 06:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:02.33 | Kirov | Sargeras - it is, but the entire plumbing expo was held in a single side room of the LA convention center, and E3 took up 3 major halls and a large number of intermediate rooms. |
| 06:02.41 | Thunder_Child | Dolby, you are old school networking |
| 06:02.54 | jaxdahl | looks like anaheim CC takes 15% of the tickets, and the halls are $12-20k per day each |
| 06:03.01 | jaxdahl | arena is $10k/day |
| 06:03.05 | Sargeras | Dolby arigato pally-D |
| 06:03.10 | Dolby | you saying i use the toilet alot? |
| 06:03.18 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 06:03.21 | Thunder_Child | yes you do |
| 06:03.31 | Dolby | get off my webcams |
| 06:03.36 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 06:03.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i think he's just say ing your full of shit |
| 06:03.52 | Dolby | :( |
| 06:03.56 | jaxdahl | oh wait, they do the per day rate OR the percentage, whichever is greater |
| 06:04.00 | Thunder_Child | if i hack in to your bathroomcam i deserve the view |
| 06:04.07 | Dolby | but arent we all NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:04.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Dolby: well, yes |
| 06:04.25 | jaxdahl | so the convention center stands to get a quarter of a million dollars if my math is right |
| 06:04.30 | jaxdahl | roughly |
| 06:04.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: poke |
| 06:05.02 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, ? |
| 06:05.22 | Thunder_Child | oh |
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| 06:16.04 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=10349 SPEW! |
| 06:16.08 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 06:16.27 | NightHawkTheSane | haha.. "In the 21st century, nations donât invade other nations." |
| 06:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:16.52 | Iriel | The irony was apparently lost on most |
| 06:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 06:17.09 | Tekkub | irony? |
| 06:17.25 | Iriel | (US + iraq?) |
| 06:17.34 | Tekkub | I don't see irony |
| 06:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | the quote was said by McCain, to be sure. And yes, the irony is the US invading Iraq. |
| 06:17.55 | End | clearly the US and Iraq are not nations |
| 06:18.03 | End | the US is a supernation! |
| 06:18.09 | End | jeez, silly people! |
| 06:18.15 | Tekkub | I only see either lying, or blind hope |
| 06:18.17 | End | </colbert> |
| 06:18.19 | End | :P |
| 06:18.30 | Tekkub | hope isn't the right word... |
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| 06:18.49 | Tekkub | you know, that thing where you keep saying it hitnking it's true |
| 06:19.00 | Tekkub | *thinking |
| 06:19.02 | NightHawkTheSane | lying. |
| 06:19.15 | Tekkub | no lying you know it's not true |
| 06:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | lying to yourself, then :P |
| 06:19.27 | Tekkub | ignorant? |
| 06:19.43 | Tekkub | oblivious! that's the word |
| 06:20.18 | Tekkub | also... /moan too much dairy |
| 06:20.22 | Duman | LOL |
| 06:20.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh, dairy. i should have some milk.. |
| 06:20.31 | Tekkub | I miss being able to drink a gallon of milk a day |
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| 06:23.03 | Duman | lol, client assploded |
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| 06:26.39 | Duman | uh, hmm |
| 06:26.47 | Duman | stuck w/ full loading bar |
| 06:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 06:27.40 | NightHawkTheSane | it'll go, it just takes forver |
| 06:29.00 | Vilkku | did the patch fix the tauren? |
| 06:30.58 | Corrodias | tauren issues? |
| 06:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Missing hair textures |
| 06:31.15 | ccox | hasn't yet fixed the "shoot a cannon and get disconnected" issue |
| 06:31.20 | NightHawkTheSane | only to the fashion sensetive |
| 06:31.47 | Corrodias | hair or fur? >_> |
| 06:31.50 | Duman | hair |
| 06:32.02 | Duman | ok wtf did I do with the video editing softwareI had |
| 06:32.03 | Duman | hmm |
| 06:32.10 | End | the greenness? |
| 06:32.14 | End | yeah, the green is lame |
| 06:32.15 | Duman | need to effign shrink these fraps vids |
| 06:32.21 | Duman | 500M for 20sec = lol |
| 06:34.19 | Duman | ooh, found my premiere elements |
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| 06:40.15 | Duman | people who design progress bars that get to the end and start over (over and over) need to be shot |
| 06:40.26 | Duman | I mean... really... what the hell is th euse |
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| 07:01.19 | |Jelly| | example? |
| 07:01.32 | |Jelly| | [01:40]<Duman>people who design progress bars that get to the end and start over (over and over) need to be shot <-- |
| 07:03.12 | gramg | ROFL |
| 07:03.16 | ccox | Agreed |
| 07:07.39 | Equitoen | Start with Microsoft |
| 07:07.40 | Equitoen | ;D |
| 07:11.09 | Corrodias | activity bars that are clearly not "progress bars" do serve the useful function of assuring you something is happening |
| 07:11.19 | Corrodias | ones that masquerade as progress bars are evil, though |
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| 07:19.06 | Duman | server boom |
| 07:19.16 | Esamynn | that's normal |
| 07:19.26 | Corrodias | quiet, you. i will not be tempted to play wow. >:o |
| 07:20.04 | Duman | haha |
| 07:20.07 | Duman | oh well |
| 07:20.09 | Duman | bed time, anyway |
| 07:20.10 | Duman | night |
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| 07:38.33 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.33 | NightHawkTheSane | if i were a smarter man, i would probably agree with that sentiment |
| 07:41.21 | Tekkub | 203 LoC for his hovertips, vs my 33 LoC in tK :) |
| 07:42.24 | Mike-N-Go | Does anyone know of an alternative for Mecaire's Macrotexter? |
| 07:42.40 | Kirov | If I knew what it was, no. |
| 07:44.40 | Mike-N-Go | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6909-MecairesMacrotexter.html |
| 07:44.51 | Mike-N-Go | Basicly, it is implied targeting. |
| 07:45.15 | Mike-N-Go | But instead of having to make macros for every spell, the addon does that. |
| 07:46.55 | Kirov | Nope, I do not know of any alternatives. |
| 07:47.01 | Mike-N-Go | I just installed Bartender4, and the Macrotexter does not work with it. |
| 07:47.13 | Kirov | Fix it? |
| 07:47.23 | Corrodias | yes. do it. |
| 07:47.56 | nevcairiel | Enable the Auto-Assist function, its the same implied targeting? :) |
| 07:48.46 | Kirov | pff, that's the easy road |
| 07:48.51 | Mike-N-Go | Before I go fixing it, I was curious if someone else had already done the work =] |
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| 08:02.44 | Mike-N-Go | nevcairiel: Does one's target change with Auto-Assist? |
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| 08:04.36 | zenzio | sure enough it doesn't matter, but I guess you could remove the "Blizzcon tickets on sale" part of the topic now |
| 08:05.45 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by cladhaire -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 | Proof of water on Mars: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2_gcc.jpg |
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| 08:06.49 | zenzio | a blue foil ticket? Is that what they look like? |
| 08:06.55 | Maldivia | wow... just wow on the mana cost change... |
| 08:07.08 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 | "I have a blue foil ticket, I have a blue foil ticket ..." - Kirov |
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| 08:08.57 | Cairenn | no it isn't what they look like, it was when we were joking around about having them given out as random candybar wrappers |
| 08:09.08 | |Jelly| | WTB one :( |
| 08:09.22 | zenzio | I see, I must have missed that discussion |
| 08:09.49 | zenzio | so did a lot of people not get tickets? |
| 08:11.35 | Cairenn | let's just go with "it was ugly" and leave it at that |
| 08:12.46 | zenzio | too much info |
| 08:13.20 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/08/14/mike-morhaime-apologizes-offers-3000-more-blizzcon-tickets/ |
| 08:13.24 | cladhaire | for those who haven't seen it. |
| 08:13.30 | Fisker- | guys you can all be ugly |
| 08:13.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: I'll say. Not 100% surprising, given their stance on downranking.. bu t still |
| 08:13.36 | Fisker- | no need to compete |
| 08:13.41 | Thunder_Child | or the first post http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/?rhtml=y |
| 08:14.04 | cladhaire | aye |
| 08:14.14 | cladhaire | but you can read my link to know what its about :P |
| 08:14.29 | Thunder_Child | is it just me or is there many less panels this year |
| 08:14.54 | Cairenn | those are only the ones they have listed *so far* |
| 08:15.10 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 08:16.04 | Thunder_Child | tbh the only reason i realized it was less, is that i figured for sure this year they would have the wow movie panel but couldnt find it |
| 08:17.13 | Fisker- | yay |
| 08:17.18 | Fisker- | they updated the calendar |
| 08:17.23 | Maldivia | NightHawk: yeah, but still... damn... no more rank 1 arcane explosion/concecrate to find stealthed rogues etc |
| 08:17.24 | Thunder_Child | last year they had no clip :( |
| 08:17.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: no more a LOT of things |
| 08:17.42 | NightHawkTheSane | r1 ae is the least of your concern. |
| 08:17.54 | NightHawkTheSane | the biggest issue is healer longevity |
| 08:17.55 | Maldivia | just an example |
| 08:18.07 | NightHawkTheSane | shaman in particular |
| 08:18.46 | Maldivia | back to healing rotations.... |
| 08:19.21 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i dont think it'll be quite that bad. and i have to imagine blizzard will look at healer regen and do something to adjust. but it's a huge shift. |
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| 08:19.30 | Fisker- | people whining now are n00bs |
| 08:19.36 | Fisker- | they already nerfed downranking |
| 08:19.41 | Fisker- | now they just put the nail in the coffin |
| 08:20.01 | NightHawkTheSane | on the up side: i just freed up a BUNCH more click bindings on my shaman. :D |
| 08:20.17 | Maldivia | same for my priest and druid |
| 08:20.24 | Maldivia | a lot of spell I don't have to use anymore :9 |
| 08:20.58 | Maldivia | they might aswell just make spells like melee abilities now, that they replace previous |
| 08:21.03 | cladhaire | they already hide them from the spellbook |
| 08:21.11 | Corrodias | woot |
| 08:21.25 | cladhaire | you only see the max rank of your spells unless you change the setting, imo |
| 08:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: that's a toggleable option, but yeah |
| 08:21.26 | Fisker- | old Maldivia |
| 08:21.29 | Maldivia | with the "only show max rank" setting, or? |
| 08:21.31 | Corrodias | but sometimes you might want to use a lower rank, if you're fighting low-level mobs or something |
| 08:21.35 | Fisker- | that's what i said a couple of patches ago |
| 08:21.44 | Fisker- | Corrodias why? |
| 08:21.52 | Corrodias | "fun", that ever-so-elusive thing in WoW |
| 08:21.52 | cladhaire | Corrodias: I'm _HOPING_ that they are working on a way for us to downrank to help a friend level |
| 08:22.03 | cladhaire | I have to say I'm pretty disappointed by the recruit a friend thing |
| 08:22.04 | Corrodias | just for fun. |
| 08:22.25 | Fisker- | ah so it's fun to use a lower rank spell? |
| 08:22.31 | cladhaire | rather than actually giving us downranking |
| 08:22.32 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: i wouldnt bet on it :\ |
| 08:22.42 | Corrodias | it can be. are you going to tell me what i enjoy? |
| 08:22.48 | Maldivia | Fisker-: Rank 1 frostbolt for a fast cast snare in pvp? |
| 08:23.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: no, but blizzard is certainly going to tell you what you can do. :) |
| 08:23.09 | Corrodias | that's irrelevant |
| 08:23.29 | NightHawkTheSane | so is your specific notion of fun. ;) |
| 08:23.35 | Fisker- | frostbolts aren't healing spells though |
| 08:23.36 | Corrodias | my point is about differing ideals of fun |
| 08:23.42 | Fisker- | which were your original argument |
| 08:24.07 | Corrodias | my original argument was a counter to the idea of removing lower ranks of spells completely when new ones are learned |
| 08:24.15 | Fisker- | <3 the token ui |
| 08:24.21 | Fisker- | they finally fixed it :P |
| 08:24.51 | cladhaire | its <3 |
| 08:25.02 | NightHawkTheSane | still looks borked to me >.> or is that because i dont have any tokens.. |
| 08:25.05 | Corrodias | i will not suggest that Blizzard is not able to make changes to the game, and no i do not always agree that they produce the most fun result. |
| 08:25.51 | cladhaire | and their response will always be "iot |
| 08:25.58 | Corrodias | not that what they come up with is "bad" by any means. it's all solid. |
| 08:26.01 | cladhaire | it's their game, you can choose not to play it :P |
| 08:26.03 | cladhaire | btu i agree |
| 08:26.09 | cladhaire | some of their decisions make me sad in my pants. |
| 08:26.54 | cladhaire | and while I'm capable of drinking the blizz kool-aid as much as anyone else, I know they're far from perfect |
| 08:31.11 | zenzio | what I find curious is that they didn't just make spells upgrade like melee abilities from the start if they didn't want people to use lower ranks |
| 08:32.51 | NightHawkTheSane | at a guess, it has to do with differing costs & coefficiants |
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| 08:34.09 | NightHawkTheSane | melee abilities, from the start, always cost the same, and had the same effect from things like AP. |
| 08:47.49 | cladhaire | 8770 (WoTLK) -> 8788 (WoTLK): http://patchdiff.pastey.net/93786 |
| 08:49.40 | Xuerian | ThreatMeterStatusBar_ |
| 08:49.43 | Xuerian | nifty |
| 08:49.52 | cladhaire | aye |
| 08:50.19 | cladhaire | and the comprehensive Live -> WoTLK diff: http://patchdiff.pastey.net/93787 |
| 08:50.38 | cladhaire | SetAchievementComparisonUnit |
| 08:50.59 | cladhaire | oh |
| 08:51.05 | cladhaire | thats just a rename from last build |
| 08:51.15 | cladhaire | threat meter cvar off by default |
| 08:51.16 | NightHawkTheSane | "GetNumDungeonMapLevels"? |
| 08:51.41 | cladhaire | aye |
| 08:51.51 | cladhaire | lots of stuff to play with |
| 08:52.24 | NightHawkTheSane | looks nifty. |
| 08:52.26 | Xuerian | "DeathKnniggetThrobFunction"? o.0 |
| 08:52.39 | cladhaire | Xuerian: <3 ;-) |
| 08:52.46 | cladhaire | I love DeathKnniggets |
| 08:52.50 | Xuerian | I feel I'm missing a internal blizz joke |
| 08:53.01 | NightHawkTheSane | probably not more than the obvious |
| 08:53.50 | Corrodias | i suspect a monty python joke |
| 08:54.11 | Maldivia | hmm, new saleStatus return value on GetAuctionItemInfo (==1 for sold) |
| 08:56.06 | cladhaire | nice |
| 08:59.00 | Maldivia | and achievemtent wtching seems to be properly implemented |
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| 09:22.08 | Nechckn | Anyone around on Northrend that can toss me a Guild 'vite? |
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| 09:37.23 | Arrowmaster | i think i can, but that would require me to login |
| 09:39.01 | Arrowmaster | charname? |
| 09:39.13 | Cairenn | just finishing patching |
| 09:39.21 | Cairenn | will log in momentarily |
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| 09:39.42 | Arrowmaster | already in |
| 09:40.03 | Arrowmaster | and apparently alive in the graveyard after dying in an instance before the servers crashed |
| 09:44.54 | Nechckn | damn sorry.. lemme run back in, I logged out but not all the way |
| 09:45.01 | Nechckn | CoopiniusLK is the name |
| 09:45.04 | Nechckn | brb |
| 09:45.23 | Nechckn | lied.. I'm in =) |
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| 09:49.21 | Cairenn | woohooo! they remembered the texture for the dragon this time ;) |
| 10:00.11 | Punkie | que?! |
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| 10:07.40 | Quezacolt | Horde addon dev guild on Northrend is <WTB API PST> according to a post in http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765635765&sid=2000 |
| 10:07.46 | Quezacolt | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17208 needs to be updated |
| 10:08.39 | Cairenn | you mean like: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17282 |
| 10:09.14 | Cairenn | the info was posted on wowi first :p |
| 10:09.40 | Quezacolt | I need to read the WoWI forums more >.< |
| 10:09.49 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 10:12.46 | Nechckn | Which dragon received texture Cairenn? |
| 10:13.02 | Cairenn | and I'm pretty sure that there have been some PvP author guilds set up, but I can't remember for sure and asking gets me no answers |
| 10:13.06 | Cairenn | on the login screen |
| 10:13.23 | Nechckn | Ahh gotcha |
| 10:14.22 | Cairenn | until this patch the dragon was just an unfinished white dragon-ish shaped blob |
| 10:14.30 | Cairenn | they forgot to include the texture ;) |
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| 10:15.25 | Nechckn | Yeah, I like how it moves around on the login screen |
| 10:15.34 | Cairenn | that is neat, I like it |
| 10:15.35 | Nechckn | the static screens of old bore me |
| 10:15.49 | Cairenn | I just like more now that it has been textured ;) |
| 10:15.58 | Nechckn | not like I spend too much time there- but still |
| 10:16.28 | Cairenn | *nod* |
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| 10:29.13 | phyber | anyone have a link to the enGB downloader or torrent for 8788? I see lots of enUS in /lastlog but no enGB :/ |
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| 10:39.37 | Maldivia | phyber: nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/WoW-3.0.1.8770-to-3.0.1.8788-enGB-downloader.exe |
| 10:42.04 | Punkie | spam mails are getting more and more crazy, lol |
| 10:42.07 | Punkie | "msnbc.com: BREAKING NEWS: Mary-Kate Olsen guilty for Heath Ledger's death " |
| 10:43.50 | phyber | Maldivia: excellent, thanks :) |
| 10:54.52 | Corrodias | Punkie: but what was it trying to sell? o.o |
| 10:55.20 | Punkie | i dunno it looked like a news report |
| 10:55.31 | zenzio | one thing that just puzzles me is how many spam mails these days seem to forget to include a link |
| 10:55.31 | Punkie | but the link when you hovered over it went to some random website |
| 10:56.07 | Punkie | i always seem to get ones like 'hey, i've just moved here and am called jane. im 21 and have no friends here reply if you want to meet up' |
| 10:56.39 | Corrodias | 21? phht |
| 10:56.50 | Corrodias | if they really wanted to draw the crowds, they should say 13 |
| 10:56.59 | Mooninaut | it looks like UnitDetailedThreatSituation now returns nil if the unit isn't on the mob's threat list |
| 10:57.03 | Punkie | lol |
| 11:01.06 | Arrowmaster | if it doesnt look like spam then its a virus/malware |
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| 11:10.23 | Cairenn | aw crap, peavy is back |
| 11:10.38 | Cairenn | and necro'ing big time |
| 11:12.44 | zenzio | that name rings a bell... and alarm bell |
| 11:12.48 | zenzio | -d |
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| 11:25.18 | Maldivia | hmm.... is it wrong to wish that someone would hack his account and delete it? |
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| 11:27.11 | Cairenn | heh, yeah, it's wrong .... I agree with you, but it's wrong ... ;) |
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| 11:28.15 | zenzio | no it isn't |
| 11:28.23 | zenzio | wishing is never wrong. Hoping is |
| 11:28.47 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 11:29.24 | cncfanatics | lol @ the uproar about the downranking changes |
| 11:31.08 | MoonWolf | i could care less, its not like i downranked a lot on my druid. |
| 11:31.51 | krka | what's the semantic difference between wishing and hoping in that case? |
| 11:33.28 | Maldivia | hopes are shattered... wishes come true? |
| 11:33.40 | zenzio | the real definitions probably differ from mine, which would void my point, but the way I see it wishing is merely thinking how nice it would be to be rid of him, while hoping is the desire that someone go ahead and actually take care of it |
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| 11:42.33 | Unregistered342 | you folks play wow ? :D |
| 11:42.53 | zenzio | we've been known to, yes |
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| 11:59.38 | sacarasc | that was mean, Cairenn |
| 11:59.53 | Cairenn | no it wasn't, you aren't aware of the PMs that were going on |
| 12:00.07 | sacarasc | i feel unloved now :( |
| 12:00.13 | sacarasc | i wasn't picked for spam |
| 12:00.53 | Arrowmaster | what were the PMs? |
| 12:02.38 | Cairenn | not anything we want in this channel :) |
| 12:02.45 | Bouvi | Wow did I come in during a funny part of the conversation or what... |
| 12:03.42 | Cairenn | Bouvi: I just kick banned someone, that's all |
| 12:03.49 | Cairenn | nothing serious |
| 12:04.01 | Bouvi | Kinky... :) |
| 12:08.33 | Elkano | Cairenn, so you didn't know that playing WoW makes you a fat 13year old male nerd? sorry to hear that :( |
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| 12:08.49 | Cairenn | lol |
| 12:09.37 | Cairenn | hi |
| 12:11.26 | cladhaire | Okay |
| 12:11.28 | cladhaire | so I have a new addon |
| 12:11.38 | cladhaire | pretty simple, lets you build an optimal outfit for a given role |
| 12:11.46 | cladhaire | its more complicated than that.. but thats the basic premise. |
| 12:12.10 | cladhaire | current name ideas: PersonalShopper, Fashionista, FashionConsultant, YourMomDressesYou, ClosetNerd, BruteFitter, TheDevilWearsAttackPower |
| 12:12.19 | cladhaire | TheDevilWearsStats |
| 12:12.30 | cladhaire | TheDevilWearsKirkburn? |
| 12:13.31 | amro|afk | I vote TDWK :) |
| 12:13.35 | cladhaire | lol |
| 12:13.59 | Bouvi | Oh the devil wears for sure. |
| 12:14.08 | cladhaire | but the devil wears WHAT? |
| 12:14.14 | cladhaire | i don't want to do AP because its not AP specific |
| 12:14.30 | cladhaire | you can give weights to actual stats to build the right outfit |
| 12:14.31 | Bouvi | The Devil Wears Destruction |
| 12:14.35 | Bouvi | That was dumb |
| 12:15.00 | Elkano | SgtS -> Stats greater than Style |
| 12:15.02 | Cairenn | prada, duh |
| 12:15.08 | Pneumatus | DressToImpress |
| 12:15.10 | cladhaire | i could just do prada |
| 12:15.11 | cladhaire | lol |
| 12:15.15 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 12:15.19 | doow | DressToKill then =) |
| 12:15.24 | Cairenn | dresstoimpress is not bad |
| 12:15.25 | cladhaire | ooh |
| 12:15.28 | cladhaire | I like DressToKill |
| 12:15.32 | Cairenn | that too |
| 12:15.34 | cladhaire | done |
| 12:15.36 | cladhaire | doow: win! |
| 12:15.38 | Bouvi | Oh yeah I would feel so james bond |
| 12:15.41 | cladhaire | i'll credit you with the na,e, if I can use it :P |
| 12:15.55 | doow | yay =) |
| 12:16.06 | Maldivia | cladhaire: if its something with death knights and armor: DKNY :) |
| 12:16.11 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 12:16.25 | Cairenn | Dressedtothenines |
| 12:16.27 | doow | ofc =) Aska on StormReaver(EU) |
| 12:16.34 | doow | Maldivia: haha |
| 12:16.42 | Cairenn | lol Maldivia |
| 12:17.13 | Elkano | I hope they'll give us a preview on the new armory functionality wrt archievements and such :) |
| 12:17.18 | doow | DressedForSuccess (of Roxette fame) |
| 12:19.25 | Bouvi | I hate the USPS!!! Their tracking system sucks, how long does it take to get a package from Atlanta to Knoxville, TN? Yes this is addon related... grumbles. |
| 12:19.33 | cladhaire | lol |
| 12:19.34 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 12:20.00 | Cairenn | I still think DtK is probably the best, although lots were good |
| 12:20.10 | amro | Bouvi: I hate that when I skim I mistake that for UPS and expect decent shipping |
| 12:20.12 | cladhaire | yeah i made the SVN already |
| 12:20.14 | cladhaire | and its getting commited :P |
| 12:20.41 | Cairenn | ur getting committed |
| 12:20.45 | krka | I like DressedForSuccess |
| 12:20.47 | cladhaire | true |
| 12:20.56 | Bouvi | Yeah I should have upped my shipping. Amazon usually ships UPS to me. This is the first time they used USPS. |
| 12:21.32 | cladhaire | the gay guy would write the addon that deals with trying clothes on |
| 12:21.33 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 12:22.04 | Cairenn | hey, you're a good fashion consultant! |
| 12:22.12 | Cairenn | Lyre certainly thought so |
| 12:22.23 | Ycarene | Would "iLevel Savant" be a good name? :P |
| 12:22.24 | krka | i am the opposite, i made a timed striptease addon for nightelf females :/ |
| 12:22.34 | Bouvi | You know if I did not care to get the package it would have been here yesterday. But I want this by this weekend. I have 1000+ pages to read dangit. |
| 12:22.38 | cladhaire | Cairenn: :P |
| 12:22.43 | Maldivia | krka: hehe |
| 12:22.45 | cladhaire | Ycarene: doesn't even consider the ilevel |
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| 12:23.20 | Ycarene | Or "StatMeUpScotty", or "StatsEntertainment"... :P |
| 12:23.23 | Maldivia | cladhaire: Trying on for size ? :) |
| 12:23.29 | cladhaire | i already ahve a name :P |
| 12:23.30 | cladhaire | thanks guys |
| 12:23.33 | cladhaire | DressToKill wins |
| 12:23.36 | MoonWolf | cladhaire, there is simply a disproportionatly large amount of prominent gay addon authors... i wonder why that is. |
| 12:23.44 | cladhaire | MoonWolf: cause we rock imo |
| 12:23.49 | cladhaire | <-- musician as well |
| 12:23.53 | Maldivia | cladhaire: I agree :) |
| 12:24.21 | Bouvi | Dressed to kill and lookinâ dynamite, with her high-laced stockings and her sweater so tight |
| 12:24.40 | zenzio | MoonWolf: it's because the straight guys are too busy undressing their female characters |
| 12:24.48 | krka | MoonWolf: really, is there? |
| 12:24.58 | MoonWolf | feels that way |
| 12:25.35 | krka | have any statistics? i dont even know how many people in general are gay |
| 12:25.49 | cladhaire | normally 10% of the popuilation |
| 12:25.59 | cladhaire | which in reality, we probably are less than 10% of the addon author pop as well |
| 12:26.34 | krka | then there's the whole issue with open/closet |
| 12:26.38 | Maldivia | well, its not really the subject that comes up most when discussing addons :) |
| 12:26.40 | krka | hard to get any real numbers |
| 12:26.50 | zenzio | what about the bisexuals? |
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| 12:27.00 | cladhaire | its true, its hard to get any number sfor |
| 12:27.02 | doow | zenzio: they don't write addons |
| 12:27.16 | Ycarene | Heh, depends on who decides its important to mention. |
| 12:27.18 | krka | they are busy with hot 3somes O_o? |
| 12:27.19 | cladhaire | they have sex |
| 12:27.27 | cladhaire | i have both |
| 12:27.31 | cladhaire | but they interfere with each other |
| 12:27.34 | cladhaire | especially when i have a good idea |
| 12:27.51 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 12:28.05 | krka | please stop elaborating now! |
| 12:28.09 | cladhaire | lol |
| 12:28.10 | zenzio | lol |
| 12:28.14 | doow | =D |
| 12:28.14 | Maldivia | *smirk* |
| 12:28.33 | Maldivia | krka: go find your stiptease addon, and run it :) |
| 12:28.45 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.47 | cladhaire | best addon evar |
| 12:28.47 | krka | a more interesting statistic is the ratio of swedish addon authors :) |
| 12:28.49 | Bouvi | WoWUIDev channel. Where else can you watch a soap opera online from kicking people out of your life, to dress shops and sex. We have it all. |
| 12:28.56 | cladhaire | so nice for wipes and death leaps |
| 12:28.59 | krka | i have a feeling it's higher than number of the swedish wow players |
| 12:29.00 | cladhaire | krka: this is true |
| 12:29.03 | cladhaire | but not suprising |
| 12:29.22 | zenzio | Bouvi: don't forget about the discussions about ejaculations |
| 12:29.32 | zenzio | only a week or so ago |
| 12:29.38 | krka | why not? |
| 12:29.40 | Bouvi | I figure that goes into the sex category. |
| 12:29.40 | Maldivia | krka: Scandinavians - not just Swedes :) |
| 12:29.41 | MoonWolf | Bouvi, any other irc channel i go to |
| 12:29.54 | krka | nah, it's mostly swedes :P |
| 12:29.55 | doow | there's a lot of swedes here? I am one, but I haven't written any addon(that I distributed at least) |
| 12:30.03 | krka | a few norwegians and danes and finns i suppose |
| 12:30.16 | MoonWolf | although having #xkcd and #4chan in there is probably a cause for that. |
| 12:30.16 | zenzio | <-- Norwegian... but I don't publish my addons |
| 12:30.22 | Maldivia | <-- Dane |
| 12:30.33 | haste | <-- Norwegian |
| 12:30.52 | Bouvi | LOL it is so hard to work. I have 4 more Dollywood Imagination Library brochures to do this morning and a ton this afternoon but reading this is too entertaining :D |
| 12:31.03 | krka | then again, sweden has a slightly larger population than the other scandinavian countries |
| 12:31.37 | zenzio | this reminds me of my recruitment talk when I applied to a guild... after talking to the officer for 30 minutes or so he asks me "so where are you from?" "Norway" "... faen da, hvorfor sa du ikke det med en gang?" |
| 12:31.51 | krka | heh |
| 12:31.54 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 12:31.59 | cbreak | huh? |
| 12:32.11 | MoonWolf | what cbreak said |
| 12:32.12 | krka | i had almost the same experience when a swede sent me an email about kahlua |
| 12:32.15 | haste | zenzio: pretty common :p |
| 12:32.31 | krka | "damn it, why didn't you tell me that right away" |
| 12:32.38 | MoonWolf | ah |
| 12:32.52 | doow | I don't have that problem, all my chars have names that are words in swedish |
| 12:32.54 | krka | my norwegian knowledge is epic |
| 12:32.58 | cbreak | I prefer to write english than my other languages |
| 12:33.08 | krka | doow: that explains your irc nickname! |
| 12:33.10 | MoonWolf | dutch sounds weird in an english game, so i never us it. |
| 12:33.28 | doow | krka: hehe, not that one ^^ |
| 12:33.33 | cladhaire | I'm learning German now, slowly |
| 12:33.56 | krka | mm.... garlic |
| 12:34.01 | Ycarene | Bah, I must be one unimaginative dude then... |
| 12:34.13 | MoonWolf | i cheat for german |
| 12:35.31 | Ycarene | Ycarene isn't really part of ANY language. |
| 12:35.43 | Bouvi | Back in college I knew a ton of languages.... Basic, Fortran, Cobol, Pascal, Machine & Assembly, C.... :P |
| 12:35.45 | zenzio | my main character's name is always just Zenzio... which I also didn't come up with self; it's a result of friends shortening "zenzelezz" |
| 12:36.06 | krka | that's really not technically the same as shortening |
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| 12:36.14 | Ycarene | I took a look at some cobol code and nearly went into a coma. |
| 12:36.15 | zenzio | krka: true |
| 12:36.24 | MoonWolf | more like, deriving |
| 12:36.58 | Ycarene | My character names are Myrmidette, Sidereal, Ycarene, Pella, Eolian, and in WotLK, Nadira for my DK. |
| 12:37.49 | haste | I'm very creative: Haste, Otravi, Otravi and in LK: Otravi, Ivarto and Ivartre |
| 12:38.00 | doow | Aska, Jord, Snö, Vesslan (and Ummagumma, which isn't really swedish, but sounds so swedish many think it is) |
| 12:38.33 | cbreak | I have the characters Root, Base, Card, Salt, Noun, Fine and my main Dust |
| 12:39.05 | zenzio | I have no real pattern in my character names... main Zenzio, first alt Frykt, second alt Winslow |
| 12:39.11 | Ycarene | I think Ycarene has been reported a couple times, but nothings been don about it. |
| 12:39.18 | Bouvi | Lets see... Bouvi, Bouvarella, Krabouv, Thabouv, Bouvatar |
| 12:39.54 | doow | oh, and I created a char named Recursion just the other day just so I could have Recursion as name and Recursion in the guild note(we use those to show the mains name) |
| 12:40.19 | Bouvi | Oh I did have an undead warlock named Riichard. |
| 12:40.33 | Bouvi | Speaking of which new comic today brb. |
| 12:40.53 | Ycarene | The origin of my main's name is Icarus -> Ycarus -> Ycarene |
| 12:41.06 | doow | Ycarene: =) |
| 12:41.22 | Ycarene | Pronounced Ick-are-een. |
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| 12:41.42 | Ycarene | Though everyone in vent just calls me "Why see" |
| 12:41.52 | Ycarene | or Why car een |
| 12:41.53 | cladhaire | Oh |
| 12:41.53 | krka | Why care, ne? |
| 12:41.53 | doow | Ycarene: sounds icky when you split it up like that ^^ |
| 12:42.18 | cladhaire | my characters are Cladhaire (Rogue), Sagart (Priest), Sealgaire (Hunter), Mallaithe (Wicked), Draoi (Druid), etc. |
| 12:42.19 | Ycarene | Heh |
| 12:42.26 | cladhaire | where the parenthesis are those words in Irish |
| 12:43.03 | doow | cladhaire: good if you have to deal with blizzards support =) |
| 12:43.23 | Ycarene | I wonder if there are celtic runes in the utf8 character set. |
| 12:43.52 | cladhaire | [Ammo]: ping |
| 12:44.26 | Ycarene | As I understand it, english's first written character set was runes. |
| 12:45.25 | Arrowmaster | Ycarene: youd be blocked from using them if their are |
| 12:46.33 | Ycarene | Should be allowed in the EU client, hehe. |
| 12:46.43 | Ycarene | I'd never see them but it'd still be cool. |
| 12:47.27 | zenzio | why would you be blocked from using them? |
| 12:48.04 | Ycarene | In the US client anyway, you can only use the standard 26 latin characters with no accents or marks. |
| 12:48.18 | zenzio | for names? |
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| 12:48.35 | Ycarene | And there ARE unicode designations for the runes, hehe. |
| 12:48.36 | Ycarene | yeah |
| 12:48.41 | amro | Ycarene: you can use accents |
| 12:48.42 | Arrowmaster | no you can use the same characters on us and eu |
| 12:48.43 | Ycarene | For guilds it doesn't matter. |
| 12:49.08 | Ycarene | Can't use Accents in the US servers because US keyboards can't type them. |
| 12:49.14 | Arrowmaster | yes they can |
| 12:49.34 | zenzio | in the EU client at least you see lots of ì / à / î or even the odd German double-S in character names |
| 12:49.43 | Arrowmaster | see them on US too |
| 12:50.15 | Ycarene | ? |
| 12:50.24 | Arrowmaster | they are allowed on US |
| 12:50.24 | zenzio | I'm still confused then, why would you be blocked from using the runes in that case? |
| 12:50.39 | Ycarene | People can create them but you can be reported and forced to have your name changed if they do. |
| 12:50.42 | Arrowmaster | because anything outside of latin is blocked |
| 12:51.18 | Arrowmaster | i tried to use some asian characters once in a new char name |
| 12:51.25 | Arrowmaster | didnt work |
| 12:52.39 | Ycarene | ??þ??? |
| 12:53.11 | doow | I doubt the font that WoW uses has every letter in utf-8 |
| 12:53.27 | Ycarene | Guild name can be anything readable though. |
| 12:53.40 | Ycarene | Did that show up for everyone? |
| 12:54.02 | haste | Arrowmaster: it works if you have a font with the chars |
| 12:54.09 | Ycarene | Ahh |
| 12:54.39 | Arrowmaster | i did it using a korean client set to connect to the us servers |
| 12:54.42 | Arrowmaster | didnt work |
| 12:54.50 | Ycarene | Heh, yeah |
| 12:56.28 | Maldivia | Ycarene: I saw questionmarks... dont think you have your irc client set up to use utf8? |
| 12:56.51 | Ycarene | Showed up fine on mine |
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| 12:57.11 | haste | Ycarene: you didn't send it as utf-8 |
| 12:57.21 | Maldivia | Ycarene: your client doesn't recieve what you send to the server, it just writes it directly to your screen :9 |
| 12:57.40 | doow | Ycarene: how does this character look? å |
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| 12:58.02 | Pneumatus | an 'a' with a circle on top here |
| 12:58.02 | alestane | That's the scandinavian "Aw" sound. |
| 12:58.08 | doow | Ycarene: if it's an a with a ring over you're using utf-8 |
| 12:58.49 | Maldivia | What about this: ãã㺠|
| 12:59.10 | Maldivia | (hopefully it |
| 12:59.17 | Pneumatus | some cyrillc characters, or something |
| 12:59.17 | Maldivia | it's not something offending or anyhting :) |
| 12:59.18 | haste | rowizu :3 |
| 12:59.25 | haste | not often you see wi tho' |
| 12:59.37 | haste | it caugth me off-gaurd D: |
| 13:00.08 | alestane | Gonna say, that's two hiragana and a katakana zu, but the second hiragana isn't current. |
| 13:00.23 | [Ammo] | cladhaire: pong |
| 13:00.25 | haste | correct, second hiragana is wi |
| 13:00.37 | cladhaire | [Ammo]: mind if I use some of the basic code from addonloader overrides for my options panel? |
| 13:00.47 | [Ammo] | ofcourse not |
| 13:00.51 | alestane | I think it's still in the iroha poem, I think I have seen it before. |
| 13:00.56 | cladhaire | okay |
| 13:00.58 | cladhaire | just wanted to ask |
| 13:01.06 | Cairenn | <3 cladhaire |
| 13:01.11 | [Ammo] | no problem :) |
| 13:01.11 | amro | alestane: that's the only place i've seen it |
| 13:01.13 | cladhaire | ? |
| 13:02.39 | alestane | Okay, that's decently amusing..."Jesus saves...he passes to Noah, he shoots; he scores!" |
| 13:02.52 | Maldivia | haste: must admit, I have no idea what the different glyphs mean, I just copy-pasted them from charmap :) |
| 13:05.48 | alestane | Maldivia: They're Japanese phonetic syllables. |
| 13:07.08 | Pneumatus | has anyone tried using Automatic Goblin Therapist on a GM? :> |
| 13:07.40 | Arrowmaster | doubt it works since i thought it wouldnt reply to afk/dnd people |
| 13:07.58 | Maldivia | alestane: yeah ok, that much I actually knew - but that's also about it, don't know the sound of them :) |
| 13:08.18 | doow | Pneumatus: what does it do? |
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| 13:08.39 | Pneumatus | Arrowmaster: it only checks "player" for afk/dnd, not the target |
| 13:09.06 | Pneumatus | doow: turing test type auto-reponder bot |
| 13:09.32 | doow | Pneumatus: heh |
| 13:10.47 | doow | Pneumatus: ah, it's basically Eliza =) |
| 13:10.55 | Pneumatus | uhuh |
| 13:11.44 | cbreak | eliza is so old, alice is much better |
| 13:12.00 | Pneumatus | i wonder if its capable of holding a conversation with another eliza |
| 13:12.41 | Arrowmaster | ive put megahal irc bots talking to each other before |
| 13:12.46 | Arrowmaster | it gets weird |
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| 13:14.39 | cbreak | http://alicebot.blogspot.com/ (You can speak with god :) |
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| 13:20.25 | zenzio | "Personally, I think the major reason that pirates steal games is that gold-laden Spanish galleons are now awful hard to come by." (Slashdot comment) |
| 13:20.42 | Cairenn | lol |
| 13:20.47 | amro | rofl that wins |
| 13:21.39 | Pneumatus | modern day piracy needs more looting and pillaging |
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| 13:24.07 | amro | piracy wouldn't be in the news if game devs would shut up and make games |
| 13:24.35 | doow | amro: I don't think the problem is that it's in the news =) |
| 13:24.55 | zenzio | I've yet to play Mass Effect (and a few others) because I don't want the stupid DRM clogging my system and treating me like a suspected criminal |
| 13:25.11 | amro | all the measures they put in amount to nothing, they're all crackable |
| 13:25.15 | foxlit | Why settle for suspected when you can be treated like the real deal? :) |
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| 13:25.23 | zenzio | foxlit: :-p |
| 13:25.37 | amro | it's like the ones who make them don't know how computers work |
| 13:25.54 | foxlit | I'm sure that they'll eventually perfect things |
| 13:26.16 | alestane | One puts in one or two measures, like a product key, to slow down the people who pirate because it's easy. |
| 13:26.23 | amro | doubt that foxlit. most they can do, without requiring constant internet authentication, is slow people down |
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| 13:26.49 | foxlit | Here's the evil plan: rather than sell you the game, let's sell you a remote-desktop style connection to a server that runs the game |
| 13:26.53 | amro | alestane: that's meaningless. the ones who do it for fun will publish their work, so it doesn't matter if average joe can't do it |
| 13:27.10 | alestane | But the people who believe that they're entitled, or that they're morally superior for sticking it to the man, will pirate no matter what you do. |
| 13:27.18 | amro | exactly |
| 13:27.21 | foxlit | Just need to wait a few years for bandwidth to catch up to that. |
| 13:27.44 | amro | take GalCiv2, no DRM yet sold pretty damn well |
| 13:28.07 | amro | you just need to take pirates out of the equation, most of them wouldn't have bought your game anyway |
| 13:28.15 | foxlit | define "pretty damn well" |
| 13:28.24 | amro | lemme look up the numbers |
| 13:29.03 | amro | According to Stardock's CEO Brad Wardell, as of March 2008, Galactic Civilizations II has sold around 300,000 copies in total, bringing in an 8-digit revenue, when the budget was less than $1 million.[1] |
| 13:29.11 | amro | wikipedia, too lazy to look elsewhere :P |
| 13:29.24 | foxlit | As of March 26, 2008, Civilization IV has sold 3 million copies according to Take-Two Interactive.[2] |
| 13:29.38 | amro | Civ4 is more popular |
| 13:29.52 | amro | GalCiv2 had no ads pretty much |
| 13:30.05 | amro | not to mention that Civ4's DRM is laughable, so yeah |
| 13:30.05 | foxlit | It has some retail presence. |
| 13:30.24 | foxlit | But, frankly, there isn't much of a point |
| 13:30.46 | foxlit | It's not like gal civ 2 could ever sell the amount of copies a more... enjoyable game would |
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| 13:30.59 | amro | that's beside the point |
| 13:31.08 | foxlit | So extrapolating piracy/profits based on it to normal titles is meaningless. |
| 13:31.26 | amro | you just gave an example |
| 13:31.36 | amro | civ4, weak drm yet 3 million copies sold |
| 13:32.36 | foxlit | Name a game with stronger drm :) |
| 13:32.58 | durcyn | Bioshock |
| 13:33.11 | durcyn | drm is the only reason I haven't bought it yet. |
| 13:33.27 | foxlit | Bioshock has rating issues :) |
| 13:33.41 | foxlit | and wikipedia won't tell me the sales figures :( |
| 13:34.06 | amro | foxlit: you're going around in circles, every copy protection scheme gets cracked |
| 13:34.30 | durcyn | and really, it's not about whether the DRM is laughable or not. Bioshock's activation scheme is actually less annoying than crap that requires a CD in a drive, for example. |
| 13:34.33 | amro | next time you buy a game, look it up on torrent sites. I'm sure you'll find its there as well |
| 13:34.59 | foxlit | I'm sure there's some delay in that, actually |
| 13:35.12 | durcyn | less than you'd think, foxlit |
| 13:35.14 | amro | most people who get noCD cracks own the original copy, but don't like to have it in the tray |
| 13:35.23 | amro | some games are out before release date foxlit |
| 13:35.26 | foxlit | durcyn: meaningless when you don't know what I think :) |
| 13:35.27 | amro | example: PES 2008 |
| 13:35.51 | foxlit | The point is really that if you make things trivial to pirate, more people would pirate it than if it wasn't |
| 13:35.59 | amro | nope |
| 13:36.09 | amro | the point is once /one/ guy cracks it, everyone benefits |
| 13:36.28 | durcyn | foxlit: okay, let me rephrase that. there are a nontrivial number of bored/angry/skilled people out there who rather enjoy taking EA's latest suckfest and ripping the DRM out of it the same day as it hits shelves. |
| 13:36.29 | amro | you don't have to disassemble your game to remove cd protection, you just download the crack |
| 13:36.53 | amro | durcyn: exactly |
| 13:37.00 | foxlit | Suppose you could protect your game from that using the latest windows DRM-fest |
| 13:37.18 | amro | how so? |
| 13:37.21 | doow | amro: but before that one guy does crack it you get to sell more copies, games are very much sold just after release (well, that's the most common at least) |
| 13:37.22 | durcyn | i put it to you to find some major label game that ISN'T available through back channels |
| 13:37.37 | durcyn | foxlit: TPM's as close as you're going to get to that |
| 13:37.47 | doow | durcyn: WoW ^^ |
| 13:37.56 | amro | doow: it is |
| 13:38.16 | doow | amro: if you want to play a crippled version yes |
| 13:38.26 | foxlit | I don't really care about how so -- the only point I'm contending is that the more hoops you have to jump through to pirate the game, the less likely you're to do it |
| 13:38.40 | amro | doow: you also get a crippled version ith multiplayer games |
| 13:38.58 | doow | amro: how do you mean? |
| 13:39.01 | amro | foxlit: some people are willing to jump hoops as long as it takes |
| 13:39.07 | foxlit | amro: but not everyone |
| 13:39.07 | durcyn | foxlit: i disagree. the more hoops i have to jump through in order to make something work, the more angry i'm going to be at the publisher for abusing my desire to actually pay them in the first place, and simply steal it instead |
| 13:39.13 | foxlit | And that's the only thing I wanted to say :) |
| 13:39.20 | durcyn | when black market versions of your product are easier to use than the retail versions, you are doing something wrong |
| 13:39.24 | amro | foxlit: yes, that's true, but the point is not everyone has to do it |
| 13:39.32 | amro | only 1 guy/team has to |
| 13:39.34 | cbreak | There's no way I pay for a game that I can not play due to DRM |
| 13:39.36 | amro | then everyone can use their work |
| 13:39.37 | doow | durcyn: I definately agree there =) |
| 13:39.41 | alestane | The question is, how many hoops, and how high, produce the best piracy/purchase balance. |
| 13:39.48 | krka | cbreak: so you don't play WoW then |
| 13:39.54 | cbreak | I can play wow :) |
| 13:40.09 | krka | wow has drm in a way |
| 13:40.10 | durcyn | doow: and yeah, i suppose subscription models without local content are somewhat immune, but emulated servers still exist |
| 13:40.16 | cbreak | but wow's drm works |
| 13:40.22 | cbreak | it doesn't prevent me from playing |
| 13:40.25 | amro | krka: you just need username/pass. not a million conditions to meet |
| 13:40.39 | krka | "cd in drive" is not a million conditions |
| 13:40.39 | durcyn | i wouldn't even call it DRM, you just don't get the useful bits locally to duplicate |
| 13:40.45 | krka | i bet few games have more than two conditions :P |
| 13:40.53 | foxlit | durcyn: notice one thing: the amount of work you have to do to crack DRM isn't relevant if you purchase the game. If done properly, you, the user, wouldn't be disturbed more than you have to be, while the pirates would be inconvinienced. |
| 13:41.07 | amro | krka: that's the simplest one, but when you have a lot of games it gets pretty annoying very fast |
| 13:41.20 | durcyn | foxlit: i'm disturbed when i have to waddle over to my gorram CD binder and dig out their disc because they don't trust me. |
| 13:41.24 | cbreak | many games can not be played if you buy them because they have drm that prevents you |
| 13:41.33 | amro | foxlit: yeah, but sometimes you have to jump through a lot of hoops just to authenticate as a legit user |
| 13:41.34 | foxlit | durcyn: then that isn't a good implementation. |
| 13:41.40 | durcyn | foxlit: exactly my point. |
| 13:41.59 | foxlit | amro: and those deserved to die. However, the solution isn't "let's make everything xcopy-friendly" |
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| 13:42.21 | krka | the future for games will be online content, like wow |
| 13:42.26 | amro | foxlit: that's the real issue, finding a DRM solution that works without inconveniencing legit users |
| 13:42.30 | durcyn | and Steam |
| 13:42.46 | durcyn | make it easy and cheap, and it won't be worth the time to steal |
| 13:43.02 | durcyn | make it take longer or be harder to use than the stolen version, and people will use the stolen version |
| 13:43.09 | amro | exactly |
| 13:43.12 | amro | steam is perfect |
| 13:43.17 | haste | no it isn't |
| 13:43.23 | amro | well |
| 13:43.25 | haste | it lacks cross-platform support |
| 13:43.32 | amro | that's game dependant |
| 13:43.44 | amro | steam itself can be made to run on other platforms |
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| 13:43.55 | haste | yes, but it isn't |
| 13:44.05 | amro | yeah that was a relative statement |
| 13:44.11 | amro | though perfection isn't really relative :P |
| 13:44.11 | foxlit | "what other platforms" is an obvious statement :) |
| 13:44.22 | haste | why distribute a game to other systems when the distibution tool doesnt't support thoes systems? |
| 13:44.25 | amro | works for me on 32bit linux at least |
| 13:44.35 | haste | its horrid in wine :p |
| 13:44.35 | krka | natively? |
| 13:44.41 | haste | and you can't buy games |
| 13:44.42 | durcyn | amro: it's better than the alternatives, perfect is a matter of opinion.. you still have the account revocation aspect with steam |
| 13:44.45 | amro | not natively |
| 13:44.50 | haste | so it far from works |
| 13:45.00 | amro | durcyn: yeah 'perfect' wasn't the best word |
| 13:45.22 | amro | it's far from stable but on some systems you get nearly full functionality haste |
| 13:45.31 | haste | you don't |
| 13:45.42 | haste | you can't buy games with it |
| 13:45.48 | amro | yeah you can |
| 13:45.50 | haste | making it completly useless |
| 13:46.04 | amro | might have been broken in a recent version |
| 13:46.24 | haste | then tell me which wine releaes |
| 13:46.59 | amro | I don't remember the wine/steam combination, sorry |
| 13:47.05 | amro | last I checked there was a workaround |
| 13:48.04 | amro | a native client would be heavenly |
| 13:48.19 | amro | but with so few games having native clients, they most likely wouldn't do it |
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| 13:52.08 | [dRaCo] | anyone got the range of track herbs? |
| 13:52.20 | [dRaCo] | or any tracking spell, for that matter? |
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| 13:56.53 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn: are you done doing the midnight shift to watch for submissions? |
| 13:57.08 | Cairenn | heh |
| 13:57.15 | Cairenn | it's 10am and I haven't slept yet |
| 13:57.21 | Josh_Borke | i'll take that as a no :-P |
| 13:57.47 | Cairenn | having a hard time trying to get my schedule flipped back around |
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| 13:59.40 | sioraiocht | @src guard |
| 13:59.47 | sioraiocht | wrong window |
| 13:59.48 | sioraiocht | sorry |
| 14:00.51 | amro | [dRaCo]: isn't it the same as your vision range? |
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| 14:13.41 | [dRaCo] | amro|afk: I'm not sure, good idea, though |
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| 14:18.51 | cog|away | Duman: kd3: and anyone else i'm forgetting, good luck on the lottery! |
| 14:20.28 | cladhaire | whens the lottery start have the posted details yet? |
| 14:20.51 | cog|away | don't think so |
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| 14:32.29 | zenzelezz | "For: <my e-mail> I hate you." -- spam never stop trying new tactics |
| 14:33.31 | Bouvi | What lottery? |
| 14:34.13 | zenzelezz | Blizzcon ticket lottery I think |
| 14:34.24 | zenzelezz | was something about it on WoWInsider if you're curious |
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| 14:38.15 | Bouvi | thanks |
| 14:40.57 | Shirik | Josh_Borke: She refuses to sleep, even when people come back.... |
| 14:42.51 | AckisWork | zenzelezz: can't find the lottery link? |
| 14:43.51 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/08/14/mike-morhaime-apologizes-offers-3000-more-blizzcon-tickets/ |
| 14:43.52 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8994659742&sid=1 |
| 14:43.54 | zenzelezz | ". In order to avoid the problems of the last batch, they will be sold by a lottery system, and only sold to those with an active Blizzard account as of August 12th, 9 PM PDT, the time when the last batch of tickets was officially sold out." |
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| 14:46.50 | Shirik|Ecole | wow |
| 14:46.54 | Shirik|Ecole | that was very smart of them |
| 14:48.21 | Icecoldcoke2 | What happens if someone with a blizzard account that isn't going to blizzcon gets selected to buy one |
| 14:48.30 | durcyn | pretty sure it's opt-in |
| 14:48.33 | cbreak | 4. Profit |
| 14:48.37 | nevcairiel | Definately opt-in |
| 14:48.52 | durcyn | which won't stop scalpers, but what can you do |
| 14:49.50 | cbreak | I wonder why tickets aren't auctioned. |
| 14:50.10 | Seerah | what did I miss? |
| 14:50.21 | Icecoldcoke2 | Because blizzard is happy with their billion dollar profits |
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| 14:51.32 | Dark_Elf | wonders how many of those tickets end up on ebay for a profit? lol |
| 14:52.35 | Icecoldcoke | I don't think anyone actually buys them.. because it's so extremely risky |
| 14:53.31 | Icecoldcoke | Or I'm wrong |
| 14:53.38 | Icecoldcoke | All of the auctions have bids on them |
| 14:54.32 | Dark_Elf | hehe our hometeam football team gave out free tickets for people to see the new stadium, and alot of those free tickets were sold on ebay, its amazing what people will do for profit lol |
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| 14:55.33 | Icecoldcoke | Wouldn't it suck if you booked a hotel and flew out to california.. just to find out the person isn't there to give you your tickets |
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| 14:59.39 | Cairenn | that's precisely why I can't understand why people would even consider buying these via ebay |
| 14:59.58 | Cairenn | obviously the person you are buying them from have no scruples to begin with |
| 15:00.10 | Cairenn | has* |
| 15:01.30 | cbreak | I think you can sell stuff for lots of money at an AH without the intention to cheat. |
| 15:01.39 | cbreak | there are different layers of lacking scruples. |
| 15:02.09 | cbreak | lawful evil != chaotic evil :) |
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| 15:02.41 | zenzelezz | lawful evil is worse than chaotic evil in some ways |
| 15:02.43 | Cairenn | cbreak: anyone who has bought these blizzcon tickets with the sole intention of ebaying them has no scruples |
| 15:03.00 | Cairenn | that's my opinion |
| 15:03.18 | zenzelezz | they sold their scruples... on ebay zomg |
| 15:03.31 | cbreak | that's like saying "anyone who buys oil shorts has no scruples". Not that I would disagree with that :) |
| 15:04.18 | Seerah | if they weren't intending on going to BlizzCon, they could have left them for someone else to buy who wanted to go - instead they wanted to have their part in bogging down the system for others, and sell them for a profit |
| 15:04.50 | zenzelezz | well clearly no-one wanted to go since Blizzard kept taking the site down ;-p |
| 15:05.06 | cbreak | free market :/ |
| 15:05.24 | Corrodias | the only way to prevent it is to allow entry only to the person the ticket was identified to be "for" at time of purchase |
| 15:05.29 | cbreak | buying stuff with the sole intention to sell it again at a higher price seems to be an important part of it |
| 15:05.59 | zenzelezz | <cbreak> buying stuff with the sole intention to sell it again at a higher price seems to be an important part of it <--- we see this all the time in-game anyway, thank you very much Auctioneerers |
| 15:06.14 | Seerah | In the FAQ on the BlizzCon site, it states that you *must* have the credit card used to purchase the ticket with you when you pick it up |
| 15:06.34 | Seerah | whether those people will wait in line with you.... |
| 15:06.41 | Corrodias | Seerah correctly points out that WoW encourages such behavior in-game |
| 15:07.00 | Seerah | I did? |
| 15:07.16 | Corrodias | err |
| 15:07.25 | Corrodias | sorry, the text scrolled at just the right time and i saw your name instead |
| 15:07.30 | Seerah | :P |
| 15:07.38 | Corrodias | that would be zenzlszz |
| 15:07.53 | zenzelezz | that's all right, Seerah can take the credit =) |
| 15:08.02 | Seerah | lol |
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| 15:08.35 | nevcairiel | Its not like WoW invented that system |
| 15:08.40 | nevcairiel | seen the stock market lately? |
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| 15:08.48 | nevcairiel | Its all about that =P |
| 15:08.48 | cbreak | unfortunately... |
| 15:09.04 | cbreak | I should have bought apple stocks 10 years ago :( |
| 15:09.27 | zenzelezz | imagine how rich Forest Gump would be by now |
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| 15:15.17 | Tem | Stand back Everyone, Nothing here to see Just imminent danger In the middle of it, me |
| 15:15.55 | haste | a mans got to do what a mans got to do |
| 15:16.51 | cbreak | random caps? :) |
| 15:18.59 | Tem | cbreak: *shrug* |
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| 15:25.40 | alestane | Yeah, somebody seems to be trolling for...well...just to troll. |
| 15:28.12 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, they changed the DK starting zone to be something unique instead of part of Eastern Plaguelands... |
| 15:28.32 | Neuro_Medivh | picks it up when you login |
| 15:28.37 | cog|work | yeah |
| 15:28.41 | ckknight | Neuro_Medivh: you mean what GetRealZoneText() returns? |
| 15:28.47 | cog|work | most other patches come through the launcher directly |
| 15:28.56 | cladhaire | cog|work: it did for me |
| 15:29.01 | Neuro_Medivh | yes... used to return Eastern Plaguelands, now it's Plagueland: The Scarlet Enclave |
| 15:29.05 | cog|work | cladhaire: mac? |
| 15:29.08 | Neuro_Medivh | should make mapping much easier |
| 15:29.10 | cladhaire | yes |
| 15:29.35 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10359-DressToKill.html |
| 15:29.36 | Neuro_Medivh | s/Plagueland/Plaguelands |
| 15:35.06 | cog|work | ~lart sites that completely shut out "unsupported" browsers |
| 15:35.06 | purl | beats sites that completely shut out "unsupported" browsers severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 15:35.55 | Cide | cog|work: not much to do in some cases :P |
| 15:36.05 | Cide | but you're right in most |
| 15:36.25 | cog|work | if it works in firefox, chances are it'll work in opera :| |
| 15:36.42 | cog|work | but i don't even get the chance |
| 15:40.33 | Fisker- | I remember some site |
| 15:40.52 | Fisker- | part of it's 404 message was about using a proper like Firefox could resolve the issue |
| 15:41.08 | Fisker- | Yeah, using Firefox will magically conjure up those files it didn't find |
| 15:41.43 | haste | many people use 404 for their script handler :p |
| 15:42.07 | haste | it was a hack used on lighty to do mod_rewrite stuff for example |
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| 15:42.27 | haste | you can do that with lua and mod_magnet now however |
| 15:44.01 | alestane | Actually, on Adobe's site somwehere, I ran into a file (just one donwload) that worked in Firefox but not IE. |
| 15:45.06 | alestane | I got an actual download to initiate in one browser, and a short error page in another. |
| 15:45.07 | Anaral | Has anyone published a script that we can run if our UI keeps rescaling itself? I'd rather press one button than 4. >.< |
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| 15:46.55 | nevcairiel | Anaral: just put the commands to change uiscale in a macro and place that in an actionbar? |
| 15:49.19 | nevcairiel | Anyone looked through the diffs from the latest patch? Something keeps puzzling me |
| 15:49.23 | nevcairiel | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93812 |
| 15:49.50 | nevcairiel | They change the signature of TargetofTarget_Update to receive a elapsed, but on the other hand they remove it from the calling place .. o. |
| 15:49.52 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 15:50.21 | foxlit | Fixed the erroneous self, however. |
| 15:51.08 | foxlit | If TargetofTarget_Update doesn't actually use elapsed, that's probably used to just have it match the signature of the OnUpdate script handler |
| 15:51.32 | nevcairiel | no it doesnt use the elapsed |
| 15:51.49 | nevcairiel | its still funny to add the args, but remove it from all the calling places |
| 15:52.22 | foxlit | adding args that you do not use is funnier :) |
| 15:52.49 | foxlit | I'm guessing it's more about being explicit about what the various widget handlers give you rather than actually bothering to use it in the first place |
| 15:52.56 | foxlit | (elapsed, in particular, is a very odd arg) |
| 15:53.29 | nevcairiel | not like its being called from a widget directly |
| 15:53.39 | foxlit | Oh, it's also called from the widget |
| 15:53.47 | foxlit | The call you have is responsible for showing it :) |
| 15:53.49 | Shirik|Ecole | nevcairiel: Sounds like two different people fixing a bug at the same time |
| 15:53.53 | Shirik|Ecole | both of them fixing it in the opposite manner :) |
| 15:54.03 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:54.07 | foxlit | Shirik: no |
| 15:54.12 | foxlit | Either part is useless alone |
| 15:54.21 | Shirik|Ecole | no |
| 15:54.25 | nevcairiel | It was wrong before, though |
| 15:54.30 | nevcairiel | it received a wrong "self" |
| 15:54.36 | Shirik|Ecole | let us assume the 3/4 was not changed |
| 15:54.46 | Shirik|Ecole | then the change at 13-17 would be correct |
| 15:54.52 | foxlit | no, it wouldn't |
| 15:54.54 | nevcairiel | it was getting the targetframe as self, but needs the targetoftarget |
| 15:54.56 | Shirik|Ecole | why not? |
| 15:54.57 | foxlit | Because it'd pass the wrong self |
| 15:55.57 | cog|work | TargetFrame_OnUpdate was passing TargetFrame as self, but TargetofTarget_Update needed self to be TargetofTargetFrame |
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| 15:56.04 | Shirik|Ecole | foxlit: how do you say that? |
| 15:56.11 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 15:56.12 | Shirik|Ecole | ok |
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| 15:56.39 | nevcairiel | That still leaves our elapsed hanging there |
| 15:56.48 | cog|work | nevcairiel: that's used in its own OnUpdate handler |
| 15:57.17 | Cralor` | you guys read the announcement that 3,000 more BlizzCon tickets will be available? |
| 15:57.18 | nevcairiel | yeah probably just added it to show its there |
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| 15:59.27 | nevcairiel | mm you can track achievements like quests now |
| 15:59.29 | nevcairiel | useful |
| 16:00.32 | foxlit | Good, one less thing to implement when scrapping the achievements UI |
| 16:04.39 | Shirik|Ecole | omg http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765696442&sid=1&pageNo=2#23 |
| 16:05.08 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: how? shift-click? |
| 16:05.16 | nevcairiel | I dunno |
| 16:05.21 | nevcairiel | only seen the code in the interface |
| 16:05.37 | Stanzilla | k |
| 16:05.54 | Pneumatus | hahaha sex leg |
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| 16:07.55 | alestane | That page is...um...disturbing. |
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| 16:09.45 | cog|work | oh the gnomanity... |
| 16:09.47 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8974838698&sid=1 |
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| 16:12.02 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah that's their new tactic cog|work |
| 16:12.03 | Shirik|Ecole | fun huh :) |
| 16:12.10 | Shirik|Ecole | I mean, I'm all for seeing dead gnomes everywhere |
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| 16:14.54 | Fisker- | stop laughing at me :( |
| 16:16.35 | DARKGuy | Fisker-, hahahahaha |
| 16:16.53 | Fisker- | nice try |
| 16:17.10 | Neuro_Medivh | does anyone know what function call "/stopmacro" uses, and if it's protected? |
| 16:17.42 | Neuro_Medivh | cog, i'm looking at you... =) |
| 16:17.51 | foxlit | meh |
| 16:17.57 | foxlit | Function wouldn't make sense |
| 16:18.05 | foxlit | It's more likely an internal catch within RunMacro |
| 16:18.08 | cog|work | Neuro_Medivh: lern2chatframe.lua |
| 16:18.09 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:18.16 | Tem | shirik: ping? |
| 16:18.24 | cog|work | all the slash commands are defined there |
| 16:18.35 | foxlit | Or not, it's StopMacro |
| 16:18.37 | Aella | Oddly enough, the function is StopMacro(). =P |
| 16:18.44 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, thanks =) |
| 16:18.54 | Tem | cog|work: you know C#, right? |
| 16:18.58 | alestane | And I'm pretty sure it's protected. |
| 16:19.14 | Neuro_Medivh | probably is |
| 16:19.24 | Tem | cog|work: is there an equivilant to lua's do ... end block? (as in just a way to create a local scope) |
| 16:19.36 | foxlit | Yes, it's the can't-touch-this level of protection |
| 16:19.48 | cog|work | Tem: i think you can just do { ... } |
| 16:20.03 | cog|work | (without the do) |
| 16:20.06 | foxlit | You could always do something evil like repeat (false) |
| 16:20.10 | Tem | I thought so too (it was a guess from java), but it complained at me |
| 16:20.14 | cog|work | if it borrows that syntax from C anyway |
| 16:20.22 | Tem | tries* |
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| 16:20.59 | cog|work | In c, you can substitute { statements } for statement; pretty much everywhere |
| 16:21.41 | Tem | right |
| 16:21.51 | Tem | I kind of figured it would be the same here |
| 16:21.55 | Tem | but it hates me |
| 16:22.02 | Tem | OH! it was just visual studio sucking a fat one |
| 16:22.12 | Tem | it was trying to autocomplete some stuff that it shouldn't |
| 16:22.17 | Aella | Ha. |
| 16:23.13 | cog|work | Tem: if you learn C# for itself and don't apply old habits to it, i think you'll find it truly the secks, especially with visual studio's features |
| 16:23.24 | Neuro_Medivh | and yeah, StopMacro() is completely protected... sigh... makes my fallthrough macro a bit hard to implement |
| 16:23.31 | cog|work | Learn to work with instead of against it ;) |
| 16:23.48 | foxlit | the question is: which macro does it stop? |
| 16:23.59 | foxlit | All of them? Just the one topmost on the stack? |
| 16:24.14 | Neuro_Medivh | the macro in progress |
| 16:24.38 | foxlit | Neuro_Medivh: you didn't answer the question because multiple macros can be in progress at the same time |
| 16:24.52 | cog|work | foxlit: only if you have a /click chain |
| 16:25.04 | cog|work | and i'd assume it only does the current one |
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| 16:25.13 | cog|work | since it's a separate call to RunMacro |
| 16:25.54 | cog|work | so technically, multiple macros can't be in progress at the same time |
| 16:26.02 | Neuro_Medivh | there's currently no [casting] modifier on /stopmacro, which is what I'm trying to implement |
| 16:26.16 | cog|work | Neuro_Medivh: that's intended |
| 16:26.29 | cog|work | you're not supposed to be able to check for casting |
| 16:26.30 | foxlit | You can't add modifiers to secure slash commands |
| 16:26.32 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, cog, I know that |
| 16:26.44 | Neuro_Medivh | i'm trying to *cheat* =) |
| 16:26.53 | Aella | Trout, anyone? D= |
| 16:27.07 | foxlit | the boar is delicious, Aella. |
| 16:27.19 | Aella | Glad to... hear it? |
| 16:29.02 | Neuro_Medivh | the funny thing is, most macros are trying to cast 2 spells, and the game will always stop on the first one. Mine has the opposite problem, it's casting both spells always =) |
| 16:29.43 | cog|work | that's 'cause the first one is instant with no gcd or on next hit |
| 16:29.47 | cog|work | no way around it |
| 16:30.31 | cog|work | (at least none that either don't require extra input like a modifier key or wouldn't be considered an exploit) |
| 16:30.58 | foxlit | You could still play with stateheaders and /click chaining |
| 16:31.23 | foxlit | But that would require you to guarantee that when you press the macro, the first spell always hits. |
| 16:37.50 | Drundia | we need to be able to progress state headers on spell successes like castsequences do. did i miss how? :( |
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| 16:40.49 | foxlit | need is an exceptionally strong word in that context |
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| 16:42.56 | Drundia | castsequences are a bit bad too since the allowed to send cast requests while already casting |
| 16:44.26 | alestane | Drundia: We can't have state headers progress on spell success because they can reset after cooldown times. You can have one or the other in a single mechanism, but not both. |
| 16:48.10 | alestane | Hey, chimera pet... |
| 16:49.25 | AckisWork | when I click on a tab, is there a way to find out what the previous tab that I'm coming from was? |
| 16:49.37 | Drundia | that was exactly my plan... |
| 16:49.43 | TecnoBrat | hmmm I wonder if they fixed mounts, so the order at leats doesn't keep changing |
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| 16:56.56 | foxlit | I used to have some neat code for detecting land/flying mounts in people's inventories |
| 16:57.39 | foxlit | Doing that through companion API would probably involve a nasty list of IDs of land/air mounts |
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| 16:58.41 | AckisWork | foxlit: uhh |
| 16:58.46 | alestane | foxlit: You might be able to...the third return from GetCompanionInfo is the spellId. |
| 16:58.55 | AckisWork | you can scan all the mounts in hte list |
| 16:58.57 | foxlit | alestane: I think mounts have separate spells |
| 16:59.04 | alestane | If you can set a tooltip to that spell, you can probably look for 'flying'. |
| 16:59.04 | AckisWork | they do |
| 16:59.14 | foxlit | alestane: localization :) |
| 16:59.28 | alestane | Well, how did you do it before? |
| 16:59.48 | foxlit | Item level, level requirement, icon path, item type. |
| 17:00.05 | alestane | You can still do that then, to some extent at least. |
| 17:00.08 | foxlit | with a small dictionary of 70 mounts that can't fly |
| 17:01.00 | alestane | GetSpellInfo((select(3, GetCompanionInfo(...)))) works. |
| 17:01.14 | foxlit | Would that give me anything useful about the spell? |
| 17:01.34 | alestane | I know it gives the texture path. |
| 17:01.44 | alestane | So does GetCompanionInfo for that matter. |
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| 17:01.50 | AckisWork | foxlit: I'll be compiling a list of mounts soon (tm) which you're welcome to steal |
| 17:01.53 | foxlit | Yeah, but that's a very minor component :) |
| 17:01.56 | AckisWork | ~collectinator |
| 17:01.57 | purl | it has been said that collectinator is A Wrath of the Lich King addon which will scan your mini-pets and mounts and provide a check list for what you're missing. In addition, a tabbard check list and "fun items" check list will be offered. Coded by Ackis so be wary of using it. |
| 17:02.12 | foxlit | AckisWork: I think lists are a solution by people who can't think of anything better :) |
| 17:02.13 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: tabard |
| 17:02.15 | Gnarfoz | not tabbard |
| 17:02.32 | AckisWork | foxlit: ouch :( |
| 17:02.50 | foxlit | It works if you want a checklist, but it's massive maintenance overkill if I just want a detection mechanic :) |
| 17:03.06 | AckisWork | well I'll be hopefully having a dataminer |
| 17:03.18 | AckisWork | :P |
| 17:03.32 | foxlit | Mostly used icon paths to filter out non-mount icons; they're relatively meaningless as far as mount quality goes :) |
| 17:04.49 | alestane | foxlit: Not sure what all GetSpellInfo's returns are. But I don't think any of them are what you're looking for then. Sorry. |
| 17:05.45 | foxlit | alestane: there're mostly uninteresting - stuff like spell name, costs and cast time. |
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| 17:06.54 | foxlit | It'd probably be awesome if they provided greater filtering within the companion api - allowing you to say get lists of only flying mounts, or only epic flying mounts, or only ground mounts by modifying the fi |
| 17:07.05 | foxlit | lter argument in a fashion similar to what UnitAura does |
| 17:07.21 | alestane | Or get useful information form the companion ID. |
| 17:07.28 | foxlit | That too :) |
| 17:07.46 | AckisWork | btw they're still changing GetCompanionInfo |
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| 17:07.54 | AckisWork | it's been changed 3x so far iirc |
| 17:07.56 | foxlit | (the ID itself is meaningless - it's just an index; getting more information about the spell effects, is very interesting) |
| 17:09.30 | AckisWork | hmm, if I have a frame ID, can I get the frame object via that ID? |
| 17:09.52 | foxlit | no |
| 17:10.05 | foxlit | That is, if you're referring to the actual :GetID() :SetID(id) api :) |
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| 17:10.37 | AckisWork | no, just an arbitrary frame ID number and I wanted to reverse look it up |
| 17:10.38 | alestane | No, IDs are not unique. |
| 17:10.56 | alestane | Let me rephrase...where did you get this frame ID? |
| 17:11.19 | foxlit | (and what do you mean by frame ID?) |
| 17:11.30 | AckisWork | something done with a SetID(foo) |
| 17:11.38 | foxlit | frame:SetID(foo)? |
| 17:11.41 | AckisWork | and I'm making a modification to the merchant frame panel |
| 17:11.44 | AckisWork | foxlit: yes |
| 17:11.50 | TecnoBrat | foxlit, I would be okay if the order of mounts didn't change every time I changed zones |
| 17:11.59 | TecnoBrat | index order, rather |
| 17:12.14 | foxlit | TecnoBrat: hey, it's a free /randommount :) |
| 17:12.21 | TecnoBrat | haha |
| 17:12.31 | TecnoBrat | and a free "you can't use this here" |
| 17:12.34 | TecnoBrat | &$##!#!@~! |
| 17:12.35 | TecnoBrat | haha |
| 17:12.37 | foxlit | l2fly! |
| 17:13.11 | foxlit | AckisWork: you can't go from ID value to frame without imposing some constraints and searching relevant frames |
| 17:13.23 | TecnoBrat | Just need a "/summon SpellName" :) |
| 17:13.26 | foxlit | Basically, ID can be any integer, and no sort of constraints are enforced on them |
| 17:13.38 | TecnoBrat | I guess I could write one ... |
| 17:13.39 | foxlit | However, if you're dealing with merchant frames |
| 17:13.45 | AckisWork | if I have my own constraints set on them? |
| 17:13.52 | AckisWork | the IDs are 1 -> n |
| 17:14.11 | foxlit | and each ID is unique to a single frame, and you know what the frames are |
| 17:14.26 | foxlit | If that is the case, you can either search through all of your ID'ed frames looking for a specific ID |
| 17:14.35 | AckisWork | basically I wanted if id == 1 then do elseif id == 2 then do else do function(id:getname) |
| 17:14.45 | foxlit | Or you can maintain a lookup table that would resolve ID back to frame, modified when you call :SetID on a frame |
| 17:14.59 | TecnoBrat | ewwww lookup tables! |
| 17:15.09 | foxlit | I thought the reaction would be |
| 17:15.12 | foxlit | ewwwww searching! |
| 17:15.26 | TecnoBrat | haha |
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| 17:16.43 | AckisWork | so it looks like I"m stuck, huge nest if statement inc |
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| 17:17.56 | Anaral | Um, something around my computer box just *POPPED*. |
| 17:18.19 | alestane | ...not good... |
| 17:20.09 | Anaral | No especially since this is the second pop I've heard, though the first was a couple of months ago. |
| 17:20.39 | Anaral | The box isn't hot and I regularly blow the dust out of it with my trusty can o' air. |
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| 17:21.31 | Dark_Elf | probably a harddrive |
| 17:21.39 | Anaral | I only have one... |
| 17:21.48 | Anaral | And um, what does that mean? |
| 17:22.04 | Anaral | As in, how do I stop it from popping |
| 17:22.05 | Shirik | Anaral: Pop? Does it turn on at all now? |
| 17:22.12 | Shirik | oh it keeps popping? |
| 17:22.16 | Shirik | It's not a click? |
| 17:22.24 | Anaral | I'm typing on it right now. |
| 17:22.46 | Shirik | A pop would remind me more of a capacitor or transistor, but you can't really have one of those pop and still have a functional computer |
| 17:22.58 | Anaral | There seems to be no change in the system. And it's popped twice in two months. It's a loud fire cracker type sound. |
| 17:23.45 | Shirik | It's potentially possible that the dielectric in the cap in the PSU is being shorted across, so you'd hear something like a spark. Does the computer shut off when it happens? |
| 17:24.01 | Shirik | The first thing I'd replace is the PSU |
| 17:24.14 | Shirik | there isn't really much else that can "pop" |
| 17:24.20 | Anaral | Nope. As I said above, there is no sign that anything has happened. |
| 17:25.05 | Shirik | iirc the PSU has about a tenth of a second to recover power stability before it has to shut down according to the ATX specification, so it's possible it's a random fault that it's recovering from (but that's still bad) |
| 17:25.32 | Anaral | Ugh |
| 17:26.53 | kd3 | power issues... scary |
| 17:27.17 | Anaral | Aye |
| 17:27.32 | Anaral | So any suggestions on a good PSU? |
| 17:27.56 | Kirov | A good rule of thumb is at least $10 per 100 watts of power. |
| 17:28.45 | Anaral | Well my current one, according to the manufacture website is $80, and it's a 470W |
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| 17:28.56 | Thunder_Child | PC Power & Cooling |
| 17:29.45 | kd3 | my 750W coolermaster's been dong a pretty good job. just need to get a good UPS since the local power grid can't be called "reliable" |
| 17:30.10 | Shirik | Here we are, PWR_OK must be asserted high within 100ms to 500ms of AC power supplied and de-asserted during an undervolt or when mains power has been disconnected for a sufficient amount of time such that continual power is not guaranteed. PWR_OK must be de-asserted within 100ms of detection of a fault, and with at least 100ms of remaining power time. |
| 17:30.11 | Anaral | Heh |
| 17:30.45 | Dark_Elf | Antec i think is how they spell it, is the best brand in the americas, diffenately should get the most wattage ya can with the newer videocards and hardrives and things being introduced |
| 17:30.47 | Thunder_Child | from what i read a ssingle 12 volt rail is better than multiple ones |
| 17:30.47 | Shirik | Anaral, even if you're going over the limits of the PSU, it shouldn't be popping :) |
| 17:30.51 | Thunder_Child | single* |
| 17:31.04 | Anaral | Yeah |
| 17:31.11 | Anaral | I figured that. |
| 17:31.52 | Shirik | But yeah, I can't think of anything else it would be. If it were a cap on the motherboard, you would definitely notice a failure. Nothing else has transistors or caps big enough to make such a noise, except for the PSU so... |
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| 17:33.08 | Dark_Elf | the psu im using currently is a 550w Maddog multimedia brand, and i got 3 harddrives and a dvd burner hooked to it and havent burned it out yet or heard popping |
| 17:33.25 | Esamynn | !api GetBuildInfo |
| 17:33.26 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetBuildInfo' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetBuildInfo |
| 17:33.27 | Shirik | It should never burn out or pop :P |
| 17:33.28 | Shirik | Ever :P |
| 17:33.51 | Shirik | If you drain too much power it should pull down PWR_OK and your computer would shut down |
| 17:34.04 | Anaral | Aye. |
| 17:34.23 | Neuro_Medivh | heck, to be honest, it could be something unrelated to power, like a card that was not totally seated, and heat expansion finally made it 'fit' |
| 17:34.42 | Shirik | He said it keeps happening |
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| 17:34.54 | Anaral | Well I'm going to shut it down and see what I can see. Need to get the Mother Board battery info anyways. |
| 17:35.03 | Shirik | CR2032 :D |
| 17:35.16 | Anaral | Shirik: It's only happened twice and I'm a she. ;) |
| 17:35.21 | Shirik | sorry :) |
| 17:35.22 | Neuro_Medivh | well, tbh, if there's no failure to the system, and you don't detect anything burning, it's not something I'd be concerned about |
| 17:35.31 | Shirik | lol, I'd be concerned about it |
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| 17:35.44 | Neuro_Medivh | is the machine mission critical? |
| 17:35.49 | Neuro_Medivh | or just a gaming rig? |
| 17:35.51 | Dark_Elf | video cards have capacitors on them too and since they get hot it could be that, but then ya would probably video distortion if it was that |
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| 17:36.04 | Shirik | Dark_Elf: They aren't big enough to make a noise like what Anaral described |
| 17:36.06 | Anaral | Aye. But better to look things over than to wait for the pop that costs me the whole thing. It's my only computer, and yes a gaming rig. |
| 17:36.21 | Shirik | They're on the microfarad range |
| 17:36.28 | Shirik | and 5V caps |
| 17:36.51 | Shirik | the PSU caps are 120V+ caps (probably 1000V caps) and would be approaching 1F |
| 17:38.06 | Shirik | The ones on a video card are generally just for things like passive low-pass filtering or timing |
| 17:38.20 | Anaral | Neuro_Medivh: It's my main computer and a gaming rig. I do have a Toshiba notebook, but shortly after I got this rig the notebooks monitor bulb went out and also it's 5 years old, so it can't run WoW or do nearly half the things this one does. |
| 17:39.13 | Anaral | Okay, now I'm really gone. Need to check this out or else I'll have to do it with my 10 month and 3.5 year old 'helping' me. |
| 17:39.19 | Thunder_Child | secondary system for troubleshooting the primary one is good |
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| 17:40.19 | Anaral | Thunder_Child: Agreed, but can't afford to get a second system. |
| 17:40.25 | Anaral | Be back in a bit. |
| 17:40.39 | Thunder_Child | meh, that wasnt really directed at anaral |
| 17:41.28 | Neuro_Medivh | well, the thing is, without a reliable method of detecting which component it is, he'd have to randomly buy new parts and hope they were teh right one, therefore it's not really feasible to diagnose the issue |
| 17:41.33 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, he left |
| 17:43.56 | Thunder_Child | Neuro_Medivh, she |
| 17:45.29 | Dark_Elf | hmm time buy powersupply be almost better to get 2nd system lol |
| 17:47.15 | Shirik | Neuro_Medivh: Sure it is |
| 17:47.21 | Shirik | take a logical view of the symptoms |
| 17:47.36 | Shirik | guess-and-replace is not the only method of troubleshooting, in fact imo it's a worst-case scenario |
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| 17:49.50 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i would have to say trashing and buying a new system is worst case |
| 17:50.05 | Shirik | That's worst case solution :) I meant worst case troubleshooting :P |
| 17:50.11 | End | that's when all your guesses are wrong and they're all new parts :P |
| 17:50.28 | Neuro_Medivh | that's what I meant, it's not something you can accurately troubleshoot without something more than "it pops once a month" |
| 17:50.29 | Thunder_Child | that is troubleshooting, my computer has trouble so i am taking it out back to shoot it |
| 17:51.12 | Shirik | Neuro_Medivh: Sure it is. You can take a look at it and say "Okay, what could possibly make that noise" |
| 17:51.29 | Shirik | As I already commented, there is only one device that I can see making that noise (if I understand his description of "pop" correctly), and that would be the PSU |
| 17:51.41 | Neuro_Medivh | no, "What could make that noise and not affect the system" |
| 17:52.00 | Thunder_Child | the case |
| 17:52.04 | Shirik | ok, fair enough. But if it were the motherboard, it would be a catastrophic failure |
| 17:52.06 | Neuro_Medivh | that's my guess |
| 17:52.18 | Neuro_Medivh | is that it's case-related, like a panel popping |
| 17:53.04 | Shirik | I'm fairly convinced it's a cap shorting, probably due to overvolting and then arcing. If it's non-damaging and the PSU is of high enough quality, it should be able to recover from this, but it would definitely make a (relatively loud) noise |
| 17:53.28 | Shirik | But the PSU is the only device in the entire system that would have a high enough voltage to cause arcing |
| 17:53.29 | Xuerian | Shirik: Easy way to tell |
| 17:53.40 | Xuerian | Nose to PSU vents. |
| 17:53.40 | Thunder_Child | sfotware volt meter would show |
| 17:53.47 | Thunder_Child | software* |
| 17:54.33 | Shirik | Eh, I'm not really sure it would |
| 17:54.49 | Xuerian | It'd stink, tho <.< |
| 17:54.53 | Shirik | problem is, if the PSU undervolts, it's required to shut down unless it recovers in a deterministic amount of time |
| 17:55.16 | Shirik | If it can recover power in time, the lines to the board (where the sensors would be) MUST remain at the right levels |
| 17:55.34 | Shirik | otherwise the board will pull down PWR_OK and the system will shut down |
| 17:57.38 | Dark_Elf | i seen some cases where the psu was a pain in the butt to remove especially in those brand name computers with tight cases, could damage motherboard trying to get them out, then would really have problems |
| 17:57.38 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, think it's fine fine fine issue fine fine fine? |
| 17:57.44 | Thunder_Child | or is there some warning |
| 17:57.52 | Shirik | huh? |
| 17:58.01 | End | your face is fine fine fine fine |
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| 17:58.33 | Shirik | Yes I assume it's a random occurance with no visibility other than the popping noise (I could obviously be wrong about that as I can't see it) |
| 17:58.46 | Thunder_Child | i mean, if i saw my +12 V rate @ 13 and then i heard a poping noise it would make more sense |
| 17:59.24 | Thunder_Child | than if it had to telltale signs of impending doom |
| 17:59.30 | Thunder_Child | s/to/no/ |
| 18:00.07 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I guess that's a fair assumption |
| 18:00.53 | Thunder_Child | my point being then, that a volt checker might rule some things out |
| 18:01.07 | Thunder_Child | vore example mine shows normal http://wowi.pastey.net/93825 |
| 18:01.10 | Thunder_Child | for* |
| 18:01.11 | Shirik | though I should point out that the 12V line's tolerances are up to 12.6V, anything higher should cause the board to shut down the PSU |
| 18:01.17 | Shirik | but yes I agree |
| 18:01.34 | Shirik | A good way to check,actually, would be to short the PS_ON pin on the PSU to ground, then to test each pin manually |
| 18:01.53 | Thunder_Child | wow yes....because that so much easier |
| 18:02.00 | Shirik | It's not that hard :/ |
| 18:02.04 | Shirik | Just need a meter |
| 18:02.09 | Thunder_Child | not if you know what you are doing |
| 18:02.27 | Shirik | you're not going to kill yourself with 24V DC :P |
| 18:02.38 | Shirik | But ok |
| 18:02.42 | Shirik | I agree with you |
| 18:03.25 | ccox | Shirik - said the man shorting a 1200 amp circuit.... |
| 18:03.30 | Shirik | hey hey |
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| 18:03.40 | Shirik | Station! |
| 18:03.41 | Lunessa | station |
| 18:03.55 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Lunessa |
| 18:03.56 | purl | Lunessa, you Fail! |
| 18:03.56 | Shirik | Anyway, ccox, that was totally not my fault |
| 18:03.58 | Lunessa | Hello to you my excellent friends. Party on dudes! |
| 18:04.07 | ccox | :-P |
| 18:04.12 | Shirik | The wires moved by themselves |
| 18:04.15 | Shirik | my circuit was right |
| 18:04.41 | ccox | Shirk - in the case of some of my laser PSUs, that would be right - fire it and the wires DO move |
| 18:04.53 | Lunessa | What, are you dealing witch ICs and your conductors are less than 3 micros? |
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| 18:04.59 | Lunessa | *microns. |
| 18:05.24 | Anaral | Well nothing looks ascew |
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| 18:06.03 | Shirik | ccox, but seriously, that circuit was kinda complicated, I missed one stupid little thing :/ |
| 18:06.06 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa looks askew |
| 18:06.10 | Shirik | the picture doesn't do the circuit justice unfortunately |
| 18:06.19 | ccox | Shiriki - ground? |
| 18:07.13 | Shirik | no the flaw was that I had VCC supplied to the base of an NPN transistor, and the emitter was grounded, so we have infinite current. Then we get that multiplied by 100 and that's the current that flows through the collector. So yeah.... |
| 18:07.27 | Shirik | But that was one transistor in the middle of a huge mess of them, so it was just a little oversight |
| 18:07.31 | Shirik | just missing one resistor |
| 18:08.00 | Josh_Borke | "infinite" ;-P |
| 18:08.04 | Shirik | yeah :P |
| 18:08.11 | Shirik | But I'd estimate somewhere around 1A |
| 18:08.24 | Shirik | and that transistor was definitely not designed for 1A, much less 100A |
| 18:09.58 | Neuro_Medivh | Shirik, stab in the dark here, you're an EE? |
| 18:10.48 | ccox | sounds more like EE student |
| 18:11.24 | ccox | Shirick - ouch. large current over large resistence = boom |
| 18:11.24 | Thunder_Child | yes, he is an errant entertainer |
| 18:11.48 | Neuro_Medivh | I was going for "elephant exterminator" |
| 18:12.45 | Shirik | Neuro_Medivh: CE actually |
| 18:12.54 | Shirik | which is essentially EE mixed with SE |
| 18:13.21 | Shirik | CE being computer engineer, not civil engineer |
| 18:13.34 | ccox | building bugs instead of targets? |
| 18:14.16 | Neuro_Medivh | Petro Engineers get the big bucks these days |
| 18:14.40 | ccox | good software engineers still get bigger bucks |
| 18:15.21 | Shirik | A lot of software engineers worry me tbh |
| 18:15.28 | Shirik | They don't understand what goes on at a lower level because they're abstracted away from it and thus assume they don't need to know it |
| 18:15.40 | Shirik | And as a result they create poor software (either in performance or otherwise) |
| 18:15.52 | ckknight | there's 1's and 0's, right? |
| 18:15.53 | ccox | Shirik - the GOOD ones do know what happens at the low level |
| 18:15.55 | Josh_Borke | ~failrik |
| 18:15.56 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 18:15.58 | Shirik | ccox: Agree :P |
| 18:16.01 | ckknight | I'm pretty sure I saw a 2 in there somewhere |
| 18:16.17 | Dashkal | ccox: Or at least pay attention when the person who designed the hardware says you shouldn't do it that way |
| 18:16.24 | Josh_Borke | Shirik: my school uses CmpE, since CE was taken by Civil Engineers first :-P |
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| 18:16.48 | Dashkal | I don't understand the electronics, but I'll damn well pay attention when someone who does gives a suggestion |
| 18:16.52 | ccox | Daskal - um, the hardware designers don't always know what's going on outside their gates |
| 18:17.04 | ccox | Daskal - chip designers are the more insulated bunch I've ever worked with |
| 18:17.16 | Shirik | I dunno, Intel's pretty good at giving optimization suggestions |
| 18:17.17 | Josh_Borke | oh please, as if anyone can really give you a picture going from the transistor level up to the C level |
| 18:17.30 | ccox | Shirik - LOL - guess you haven't been working with them for long |
| 18:17.30 | Josh_Borke | s/anyone/any one person/ |
| 18:17.44 | Shirik | ccox: I'm only 21 :) There's a limited amount of time I would have been working with them |
| 18:17.58 | ccox | Shirik - most of their suggestions are the obvious, or intended for beginners |
| 18:18.01 | Josh_Borke | shirik: have you learned about CPU micro-operations and ALU's? |
| 18:18.12 | ccox | Shirik - and some of them are just plain counterproductive, but "easier to understand" |
| 18:18.15 | Dashkal | I understand in basic terms down to about the level of cache cheaper than memory cheaper than ram and using the bus is slow. But then I tend to work in java so it's VM on OS on hardware. mmm, layers of abstraction |
| 18:18.36 | ccox | Josh - yes, some people can (like me) |
| 18:18.39 | Shirik | of course Josh_Borke; half of one of our courses is designed around timing of instructions, actually |
| 18:18.45 | ccox | John - I started in physics, and got pulled into software |
| 18:18.52 | Shirik | how to read the completely unreadable Motorola documentation |
| 18:18.54 | ccox | s/John/Josh |
| 18:19.08 | Neuro_Medivh | physics more fun, software pays better |
| 18:19.20 | Shirik | oh god I can't stand physics |
| 18:19.43 | Josh_Borke | timing of instructions? |
| 18:19.48 | ccox | Shirik - documentation is crappy everywhere, you eventually learn the styles and how to read them |
| 18:19.50 | Josh_Borke | i just don't know what you mean by that |
| 18:20.09 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, that's why technical writers are in such demand |
| 18:20.12 | Josh_Borke | wait, wait |
| 18:20.17 | ccox | Josh - latency and throughput of instructions: why divides are painful and adds are cheap |
| 18:20.22 | Josh_Borke | i do, nvm, yea |
| 18:20.37 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't know anyone who enjoys tech writing |
| 18:20.46 | Shirik | Josh_Borke, trying to find an example |
| 18:20.58 | Shirik | the HCS12 datasheets are impossible to find :/ |
| 18:21.54 | zenzelezz | http://www.datasheet4u.com/share_search.php?sWord=HCS12 ? |
| 18:22.07 | Shirik | I meant the core users guide |
| 18:22.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Shirik, have you tried logarithms? |
| 18:22.25 | Josh_Borke | zenzelezz: did you click on the link? it's unreadable :-P |
| 18:22.52 | Shirik | ROFL! I love the results from google |
| 18:22.54 | Shirik | http://www.embeddedrelated.com/groups/68hc12/show/10552.php Read the second page |
| 18:22.56 | Shirik | post* |
| 18:23.03 | Anaral | In the spirit of no question is a stupid question... Are all cmos cr2032 batteries the same? |
| 18:23.05 | devXero | hey, what is the proper way to close a frame using lua? for example I've been trying InspectUI.Hide(), but that throws this error --> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93829 |
| 18:23.18 | foxlit | : |
| 18:23.19 | foxlit | not . |
| 18:23.24 | Neuro_Medivh | Anaral, should be... |
| 18:23.30 | zenzelezz | Josh_Borke: no, doing his googling for him is enough. I wouldn't even know if it was the right "HCS12" |
| 18:23.33 | Josh_Borke | Anaral: pretty sure all cr2032 batteries should be cr2032 batteries :-D |
| 18:23.40 | Lunessa | Interesting: http://www.livescience.com/technology/080814-robot-brain.html |
| 18:23.56 | Aella | devXero: InspectUI:Hide() |
| 18:23.57 | Josh_Borke | Anaral: you want to use :Hide, not .Hide |
| 18:23.58 | Anaral | Thank you |
| 18:23.59 | Neuro_Medivh | nod, like all AAA are AAAs =) |
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| 18:24.13 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Trust me, I've spent the last 2 years googling for this guide |
| 18:24.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Josh, think that was devXero |
| 18:24.18 | Shirik | It doesn't come up |
| 18:24.26 | Shirik | You have to go to motorola's site and go through 500 hoops |
| 18:24.37 | Josh_Borke | devXero: you want to use :Hide, not .Hide |
| 18:24.45 | devXero | foxlit, Aella, thanks much... I feel like an idiot now |
| 18:25.35 | Josh_Borke | not the Tboard, right shirik? |
| 18:25.44 | Shirik | Tboard? |
| 18:25.46 | devXero | so, with InspectUI:Hide(), no error... If I open my charachter screen 'c', it's moved over to the right one frame, as if the inspect frame was still open |
| 18:26.06 | Aella | HideUIPanel(InspectUI) |
| 18:26.11 | devXero | hmm |
| 18:26.19 | Aella | That runs through the system that handles moving and positioning those panels |
| 18:26.53 | devXero | that doesn't work |
| 18:26.57 | Xuerian | foxlit: Hey, is it normal that OPie decides to leave deleted rings in the keybinding menu over reloads? |
| 18:27.13 | foxlit | Xuerian: actually, I broke deletion |
| 18:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: /away |
| 18:27.21 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops |
| 18:27.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I meant to type something to cog, forgot what |
| 18:27.33 | ScytheBlade1 | And then tried to clear my /away flay |
| 18:27.35 | foxlit | There's a stray :ClearOptions call that errors out |
| 18:27.35 | ScytheBlade1 | *f;ag |
| 18:27.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ... *f l a g |
| 18:27.39 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 18:27.42 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 18:27.45 | Shirik | Ah, found it |
| 18:27.50 | Shirik | Anyway, for example Josh_Borke |
| 18:27.57 | foxlit | You don't see it because the config UI pcalls everything, but it's there |
| 18:28.01 | Xuerian | foxlit: Ahh, ok. That's what you were raising issue with earlier, with the errors getting eaten? |
| 18:28.14 | foxlit | Well, no |
| 18:28.23 | foxlit | I fixed that one a bit back, I made another locally meanwhile :) |
| 18:28.33 | Xuerian | =P |
| 18:28.36 | Shirik | You might look up the instruction "LEAS" which has uops "Pf" "PO" or "PP" depending on which form of the instruction you're using (then you would go look up what P, f, and O are) |
| 18:28.44 | Shirik | these would be used for timing of the instruction |
| 18:28.52 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha oh wow |
| 18:28.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/A-Barely-Accessible-System.aspx |
| 18:29.06 | ScytheBlade1 | "So for such an important application, with such an expensive rate of failure, what highly reliable application platform did the software developers choose? Microsoft Access." |
| 18:29.41 | Pneumatus | could have been worse |
| 18:29.45 | Pneumatus | they could have used excel |
| 18:29.52 | Hirsute | Gah |
| 18:29.59 | Hirsute | ~purl stab Microsoft Access |
| 18:29.59 | purl | ACTION runs at Microsoft Access with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:30.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That is really worth a read |
| 18:31.11 | ccox | ouch |
| 18:31.12 | Josh_Borke | ScytheBlade1: that was pretty funny |
| 18:31.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Josh_Borke: no kidding... the buildup and consequent letdown was incredible |
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| 18:31.43 | Josh_Borke | yea |
| 18:32.03 | Josh_Borke | i liked the ghost in the machine part |
| 18:34.26 | TecnoBrat | I dunno |
| 18:34.38 | TecnoBrat | in my experience excel is 5x more reliable than access |
| 18:35.43 | Shirik | Excel is very <3 |
| 18:36.04 | Shirik | Another one of microsoft's (few) sucesses |
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| 18:37.52 | Neuro_Medivh | isn't Excel originally another product that MS bought and rebranded? |
| 18:38.18 | Lopeppeppy | That would be... poetic |
| 18:38.21 | zenzelezz | many MS products are |
| 18:38.29 | Lunessa | And this comic/aritcle is why I'm glad I don't play FFX http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20080814 |
| 18:38.31 | zenzelezz | DirectX and Access among others |
| 18:39.37 | Neuro_Medivh | hell, MS-DOS isn't theirs |
| 18:40.36 | Shirik | it's a good business strategy |
| 18:40.39 | Shirik | if you can't beat them, buy them |
| 18:40.59 | zenzelezz | in today's market it's more a case of "if we don't buy them, our competitor(s) will" |
| 18:41.19 | Shirik | There is quite a few other things in the work that they're buying, actually |
| 18:41.23 | Shirik | it's strange to see where they go |
| 18:41.27 | Shirik | but I'm not allowed to talk about that :) |
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| 18:42.16 | Neuro_Medivh | I remember back in the late 90s, so many companies had a business plan of "Ok, we start our company, build it up, and then shop it to MS or Oracle" |
| 18:42.41 | Shirik | Hey, I can put duct tape over my own mouth :9 |
| 18:42.45 | Shirik | but if you want to do it ;) |
| 18:42.54 | Lopeppeppy | It's always more fun with friends. |
| 18:43.11 | Shirik | anyway |
| 18:43.13 | Shirik | I have a flight to catch |
| 18:43.14 | zenzelezz | unless they're friends who've abducted you and are holding you ransom |
| 18:43.15 | Shirik | take care |
| 18:43.26 | Lopeppeppy | Safe travels |
| 18:44.24 | Josh_Borke | i'm confused |
| 18:44.27 | TecnoBrat | So I just realized why MS is so anti-open source! Remember the great NT source leak? Remember the gems that were found inside it? haha |
| 18:44.35 | Josh_Borke | he says bye from Shirik but disconnects Shirik|Ecole |
| 18:44.49 | Josh_Borke | why even bother connecting Shirik|Ecole if he's going to use a persistent client anyway? |
| 18:45.08 | Lopeppeppy | For fun and games? |
| 18:45.19 | zenzelezz | delusions of grandeur |
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| 18:47.28 | NightHawkTheSane | try stab/staple? or maybe hack/nail? |
| 18:48.37 | leethal | when's the next batch of beta key application thingies being sent? |
| 18:48.42 | Duman | uh |
| 18:48.47 | Duman | something s jacked on the server |
| 18:48.48 | Duman | heh |
| 18:52.00 | jaxdahl | i cannot find the location that itemrack is saving its settings in wotlk |
| 18:52.19 | Hirsute | jaxdahl: What OS? |
| 18:52.24 | jaxdahl | xp |
| 18:53.04 | Hirsute | Hrmmm. Well, nevermind on my idea then. |
| 18:53.28 | jaxdahl | the one in c:\wotlk\wtf\account\me@example.com\savedvariables\itemrack.lua does not reflect my current in-game settings |
| 18:53.43 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: it's either going to be WTF/Account/<LOGIN>/SavedVariables or WTF/Account/<LOGIN>/Realm/Character/SavedVariables |
| 18:53.46 | kd3 | check /WTF/Account/<non-email>/ |
| 18:53.47 | jaxdahl | it's dated august 1 |
| 18:53.57 | kd3 | the client's saving in a few different places right now |
| 18:53.58 | NightHawkTheSane | what kd3 said |
| 18:53.59 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/13/funny-pictures-whut-wuz-u-thinking/ |
| 18:54.09 | jaxdahl | checking that one, kd3 |
| 18:54.48 | jaxdahl | looks like the correct one. thanks |
| 18:55.12 | NightHawkTheSane | it's probably to do with how they're linking our live accounts to the new "blizzard |
| 18:55.14 | NightHawkTheSane | " accounts |
| 18:55.31 | Anaral | I'm trying to checkout a git from curseforge, for Cart3, but it keeps telling me invalid revision... What am I doing wrong? |
| 18:58.46 | leethal | git clone git://....whatever.git? |
| 18:59.03 | Anaral | Ah clone. Otay |
| 18:59.11 | leethal | ah hehe |
| 19:00.52 | leethal | Anaral: http://peepcode.com/products/git is awesome |
| 19:00.54 | leethal | well worth $9 |
| 19:03.36 | ckknight | Anaral: *thumbs up* |
| 19:03.47 | Anaral | Heh |
| 19:03.50 | ckknight | oh yes, it is a good broadcast, I saw it |
| 19:04.00 | Lunessa | For those of you in <Secure Templars> in beta, I stuffed a bunch of new green and blue gems into the Guild bank. The greens are better in some cases than some of the Epic gems from before. |
| 19:04.10 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting, Lunessa. |
| 19:04.26 | NeoTron | afaik all green gems are slightly better than bc epics |
| 19:04.27 | Anaral | And hey, for once command line is much easier than the GUI. lol |
| 19:04.34 | ckknight | lol |
| 19:04.43 | Lunessa | For exapmle, a +12 Agility gem (green) or +18 Stamina (green) which are better than some of the epic cuts. |
| 19:04.58 | NeoTron | Lunessa: not some - all |
| 19:05.06 | Lunessa | I said some, not all. |
| 19:05.10 | NeoTron | right |
| 19:05.12 | NeoTron | and I said all not some |
| 19:05.16 | NeoTron | they are one tier higher |
| 19:05.32 | Lunessa | I ended up replacing a few of my gems after skilling up j/c this morning. |
| 19:05.41 | NeoTron | bc green => bc blue => bc epic => bc JConly/lk green => lk bue => lk epic => lc bop epic |
| 19:06.16 | NeoTron | lk greens are all better than bc (boe) epic gems |
| 19:06.24 | NeoTron | that's my point |
| 19:09.12 | jaxdahl | can someone look up the item level of de-raged waraxe please? |
| 19:09.31 | Cralor` | are the new icons for world pvp intentional? |
| 19:09.40 | foxlit | They look broke |
| 19:09.41 | foxlit | n |
| 19:09.55 | foxlit | as in, someone resized that BLP but didn't update half the coordinate lookups |
| 19:09.56 | Cralor` | but the change was inentional, correct? |
| 19:10.05 | foxlit | maaaybe? |
| 19:10.38 | alestane | Lunessa: I like this one better. |
| 19:10.42 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/14/funny-pictures-timing-i-has-it/ |
| 19:11.12 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes, me too. But... I try to limit my off-topic links to a few an hour. |
| 19:12.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Cralor`: there's probably SOME changes there that were intentional, but, like foxlit noted, there's probably bugs there as well *shrug* who knows what blizz is up to |
| 19:12.32 | foxlit | It's beta |
| 19:12.40 | wereHamster | is it possible to download the whole wow installation from blizzard? Or do I need the CDs? |
| 19:12.55 | foxlit | It disconnects me for adding new stacks of anything to my inventory :( |
| 19:12.56 | NightHawkTheSane | you can download everything |
| 19:12.59 | Lopeppeppy | You can download it, I believe through Account Management options |
| 19:13.01 | foxlit | wereHamster: there's a torrent somewhere. |
| 19:13.43 | Lunessa | wereHamster: Click the "Free Trial" links from the main site... |
| 19:14.38 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors |
| 19:14.44 | foxlit | Search for None â 2.3.0 |
| 19:15.17 | leethal | â > => |
| 19:15.20 | foxlit | or, actually, I'm not sure |
| 19:15.21 | leethal | proness! |
| 19:15.45 | foxlit | that just might get you the vanilla 2.3, which'll be killed by the BC update |
| 19:15.52 | wereHamster | Ugh, 4GB. In that case I'd better find my CDs :) |
| 19:16.09 | foxlit | downlink width? |
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| 19:27.41 | kd3 | and the hamsters are dying again |
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| 19:30.37 | Kaelten | Lopeppeppy: http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/08/14/blizzcon-enjoying-huge-success-creates-3000-more-tickets |
| 19:30.38 | Keias | They'll chew up everything :( |
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| 19:31.21 | kd3 | hey kael, does the wrath fork of onebag define externals? svn just gets the mod and nothing else |
| 19:33.08 | Kaelten | kd3: no clue I didn't do that branch |
| 19:33.13 | Kaelten | I'm working on a rewrite |
| 19:35.30 | kd3 | bah |
| 19:36.28 | Kaelten | kd3: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/OneBag3/ |
| 19:36.32 | Kaelten | thats the rewrite |
| 19:36.36 | kd3 | ooh |
| 19:36.36 | Kaelten | it has some limited functionality |
| 19:36.48 | Kaelten | working on the bag bar currently |
| 19:36.48 | kd3 | as long as it just does the one bag thing, that's all I really need |
| 19:36.59 | Kaelten | ya, you can use the bag |
| 19:37.17 | ckknight | burn. |
| 19:37.23 | Kaelten | ~lart ckknight |
| 19:37.23 | purl | calls ckknight on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 19:37.23 | ckknight | good knapsack, though |
| 19:38.18 | Kaelten | I think in lich king they changed the site of the bag buttons |
| 19:38.28 | Kaelten | and they don't look as good at 30x30 imho |
| 19:38.46 | Kaelten | I want my old 37x37 buttons back :( |
| 19:40.02 | Industrial | heh, ive been waiting for a week now kd3 |
| 19:40.26 | Industrial | oh hey login after 20 mins, lets kill something! good its dead, now lets loot..shit.. stuck for 5 min again |
| 19:40.42 | Industrial | alt+f4, watch anime instead, win! |
| 19:40.58 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:41.02 | Kaelten | I've been watching dexter |
| 19:41.29 | Industrial | I'm working on stargate sg1, seen season 1-3 now |
| 19:41.36 | Kaelten | nice |
| 19:41.41 | Kaelten | it gets pretty good |
| 19:41.56 | Industrial | i also watch stargate atlantis, seen everything up til now |
| 19:41.58 | kd3 | rofl; http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9005040533&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 19:42.12 | Industrial | it will be nice seeing the similarities or even background of e.g. Carter some time :O |
| 19:42.52 | Kaelten | I want to watch that ones |
| 19:42.58 | Kaelten | haven't seen much of atlantis yet |
| 19:43.42 | Industrial | its fun, much more technology-y afaik |
| 19:44.01 | Industrial | but i havent seen much of sg1 so I cant say either =) |
| 19:44.18 | Arrowmaster | i cant believe you watch atlantis without having seen all of sg1 up until the creation of atlantis |
| 19:44.40 | Industrial | well I never really watched sg1, was always watching star trek |
| 19:45.05 | Arrowmaster | almost making me want to get out my 10 season box set and start a marathon |
| 19:45.10 | Industrial | i didnt like it when it aired on tv here |
| 19:45.17 | Industrial | but im loving it now :O |
| 19:45.35 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:45.45 | Kaelten | maybe I'll do atlantis after I'm done withs eason two of dexter |
| 19:45.49 | Industrial | im currently downloading season 4-8 |
| 19:45.58 | Industrial | atlantis is already in season 5 tho Kaelten :) |
| 19:46.10 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 19:46.36 | Bouvi | I have been TIVOing SG1 & Atlantis for years. Since at least 2001. |
| 19:47.15 | Bouvi | Yep since 2001 that is when we bought a TIVO. |
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| 19:48.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Dexter rocks |
| 19:48.28 | ckknight | yes it does. |
| 19:48.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Season 3 starts in a few weeks |
| 19:48.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Stargate is hit or miss... some parts of it are really neat, other parts are just "ok, that's cheese" |
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| 19:49.36 | Neuro_Medivh | At least Star Trek had the decency to invent a universal translator, instead of just everyone in the entire universe speaking english |
| 19:50.01 | ckknight | Doctor Who, too |
| 19:50.11 | ckknight | the Tardis intercepts your brainwaves! |
| 19:50.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: lots of shows do that "everyone speaks english" or come up with some lame explanation for why |
| 19:50.30 | NightHawkTheSane | its really at the point where you just have to go with suspension of disbelief and call it good |
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| 19:50.53 | Lunessa | forums are fubar today. |
| 19:51.05 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Thursday? *pokes the server ferrets* |
| 19:51.48 | Arrowmaster | Industrial: damnit i was going to tell you to keep your eye out for all the different roles Richard Kind has in sg1 but i cant even find a single mention of him in sg1 on imdb |
| 19:52.06 | kneeki | Is there a built in function to determine if the player has a Healthstone in his inventory? Or should I just scan all the bags? |
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| 19:52.49 | Arrowmaster | Industrial: i swear he plays like atleast 5 different people through out the movie, sg1, and atlantis |
| 19:53.14 | Lunessa | kneeki: There's no such built in function. |
| 19:53.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: oh him, yeah, he totally does, it's great |
| 19:53.32 | kneeki | Lunessa: Okay, I'll just scan all bags then. Thanks! |
| 19:53.49 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: why the fuck doesnt imdb have im listed at all for sg1 then! |
| 19:53.53 | Maldivia | GetItemInfo("Healthstone") - doesn't GetItemInfo only work with item-names if the user has that item in inventory or bank? |
| 19:54.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: i have no idea, but i swear i remember him there.. |
| 19:54.05 | Industrial | Arrowmaster: so far I've seen one person play 2 roles but no spoilers! >:O |
| 19:54.29 | Arrowmaster | Industrial: who have you seen so far? |
| 19:54.42 | Industrial | -> pm |
| 19:54.59 | Pneumatus | GetItemInfo() works on anything thats in the local cache, i believe |
| 19:55.49 | Maldivia | Pneumatus: yeah, by item id, but by name I only think if it's in your bags |
| 19:58.56 | Pneumatus | Maldivia: wowwiki suggests that as long as it's been in your bags/bank once in the play session it will still return |
| 19:59.40 | Pneumatus | so you could use the stone then GetItemInfo("Healtstone") would still return info |
| 19:59.40 | Maldivia | yeahok |
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| 20:07.23 | devXero | is anyone familiar with INSPECT_HONOR_READY? |
| 20:07.43 | devXero | it seems to be sparatic in firing.. some cases it fires once, other times it will fire 50 times... |
| 20:07.49 | devXero | after calling RequestInspectHonorData() |
| 20:08.13 | devXero | err I meant INSPECT_HONOR_UPDATE |
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| 20:11.21 | devXero | meh |
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| 20:33.51 | Kandoko | lua |
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| 20:49.00 | cncfanatics | hmmm, anyone experience with compiz ? |
| 20:49.05 | cncfanatics | its complaining about xgl not being present |
| 20:49.18 | amro | Kirov: ping |
| 20:49.25 | kd3 | you shouldn't have to use xgl, enable the compositing extension in xorg |
| 20:49.26 | amro | cncfanatics: what distro? |
| 20:49.28 | Xuerian | cncfanatics: You shouldn't even be-- |
| 20:49.41 | phyber | anyone know if I need the "King" buff to hand in http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=7703 ? |
| 20:49.43 | Xuerian | ^kd3. |
| 20:50.20 | cncfanatics | compositing is enabled |
| 20:50.32 | cncfanatics | I get checking for xgl: not present, and then compiz segfaults >.< |
| 20:50.35 | cncfanatics | on debian for the record |
| 20:51.02 | kd3 | you using an old version? compiz hasn't liked using xgl for some time now |
| 20:51.07 | Xuerian | phyber: I think you do, by reading the only comment, it'd also make sense as they're only friendly when you have the buff |
| 20:51.30 | phyber | ah, i thought the orgre suit made them friendly too (since it does when you first speak to the guard) |
| 20:51.34 | cncfanatics | got my version from debian unstable |
| 20:51.37 | cncfanatics | lets see which one it is |
| 20:51.38 | phyber | or maybe he's the only friendly one. *shrug* |
| 20:51.51 | cncfanatics | compiz 0.7.6 |
| 20:52.08 | kd3 | huh, that's current. very odd |
| 20:52.16 | cncfanatics | let me paste you what I get |
| 20:52.37 | cncfanatics | http://pastebin.com/d570f650e |
| 20:52.52 | cncfanatics | it seems to check for it, ignore it isn't there, but then it segfaults :( |
| 20:54.13 | cncfanatics | got an idea what could cause that ? |
| 20:54.32 | cncfanatics | [20457.119820] compiz.real[20304]: segfault at b66e2630 ip b66e2630 sp bfbb4014 error 4 in libselinux.so.1[b6758000+17000] |
| 20:54.37 | cncfanatics | thats what I get in dmesg |
| 20:55.09 | kd3 | I'm not familiar enough with how debian sets things up... I can't remember if deb's selinux config does anything stupid wrt compiz |
| 20:55.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a segfault, not a policy error |
| 20:55.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That's both new and original |
| 20:55.46 | ScytheBlade1 | (When it comes to SELinux problems) |
| 20:56.12 | cncfanatics | hmmm, might want to just get rid of SELinux ? :p |
| 20:56.20 | kd3 | ick, no |
| 20:57.40 | Duman | boom |
| 20:57.52 | cncfanatics | WTB solution as to why this happens |
| 20:57.54 | cncfanatics | I like compiz :p |
| 20:58.30 | kd3 | doesn't gnome's wm have compositing stuff built in? |
| 20:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | should |
| 20:59.22 | cncfanatics | hmmm, how would I go activating it ? |
| 20:59.27 | kd3 | whee, the forums are 503ing |
| 20:59.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Couldn't tell you, gnome sucks :) |
| 20:59.36 | kd3 | it'd be in the control panel somewhere |
| 21:00.16 | Duman | yeah |
| 21:00.22 | Duman | just as the world server crashed ;) |
| 21:00.25 | kd3 | xfce <3 |
| 21:01.23 | zenzelezz | I would have to agree with kd3 |
| 21:02.57 | cncfanatics | meh, can't find it |
| 21:03.24 | kd3 | look for "desktop effects" |
| 21:03.32 | kd3 | pretty sure that's what it's called in gnome |
| 21:04.32 | cncfanatics | that option comes from the gnome-xgl-settings program |
| 21:04.36 | cncfanatics | which is not on my system |
| 21:06.22 | cncfanatics | that desktop effects tab seems to be an OS dependant thing |
| 21:06.55 | kd3 | as long as the proper libs installed, all it should depend on is a recent build of X |
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| 21:07.23 | Shirik | rawr |
| 21:07.29 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 21:07.54 | Shirik | flight delayed, as usual |
| 21:08.44 | Shirik | oh yay, and they just changed my gate too. Now I have to figure out whether or not I should sit here and keep eating, or actually go to my gate :/ |
| 21:16.04 | Hirsute-Away | Huh. It won't let me run the beta installer, asks me to install Burning Crusade first. |
| 21:16.16 | Hirsute-Away | But I have BC installed. |
| 21:16.22 | Hirsute-Away | I was just playing it a few minutes ago. |
| 21:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't have the proper registry keys |
| 21:16.43 | Shirik | obviously you weren't |
| 21:16.50 | Shirik | the installer is smarter than you |
| 21:17.00 | Hirsute-Away | Obviously I was.... *cry* |
| 21:17.08 | Shirik | are you on Vista Hirsute-Away? |
| 21:17.16 | Hirsute-Away | Yes |
| 21:17.20 | Neuro_Medivh | auto-fail |
| 21:17.22 | kd3 | run BC once as an admin |
| 21:17.28 | kd3 | then run the wrath installer |
| 21:17.29 | Shirik | and you have it installed in program files |
| 21:17.32 | Shirik | no, better idea |
| 21:17.36 | Hirsute-Away | Okay, I'll give it a try. It isn't in Prog Files |
| 21:17.36 | Shirik | gtfo of program files |
| 21:17.42 | Hirsute-Away | I moved it out of there. |
| 21:17.50 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 21:17.54 | Shirik | you still wouldn't have the registry key, heh |
| 21:17.59 | Shirik | yeah, run as admin once :)O |
| 21:18.03 | kd3 | ... |
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| 21:18.09 | Shirik | kd3 totally did not say that first |
| 21:18.13 | Shirik | I came up with that on my own |
| 21:18.16 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 21:18.47 | Shirik | I should probably add this to the UAC stuff on wowi |
| 21:19.12 | Hirsute-Away | Yay, that did it. |
| 21:19.30 | kd3 | bah, I give up. the world servers are unplayable |
| 21:19.47 | nevcairiel | And i was hoping they fixed it with the patch :( |
| 21:21.33 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, it reminds me of the first few months that WoW was released |
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| 21:24.10 | Anaral | Projectbot, eh? |
| 21:25.46 | MentalPower|Work | Hirsute-Away: did it work? |
| 21:28.07 | Lunessa | fires up kd3 for playing WC3 while I'm at work. |
| 21:33.45 | Hirsute-Away | MentalPower|Work: Running it as admin once? |
| 21:33.47 | Hirsute-Away | Yes |
| 21:34.19 | TecnoBrat | kaelten, are you having an identity crisis? |
| 21:34.29 | TecnoBrat | or should I say antipode? |
| 21:34.39 | Hirsute-Away | And I was so excited I forgot about the Agarose I had in the microwave, and went to get a drink, and got back just in time to hear it exploding. |
| 21:35.28 | Kirov | Why do you have agarose in your microwave? |
| 21:35.49 | Hirsute-Away | At work, was melting it so I could use it to hold some fish embryos in place while I remove their eyes |
| 21:36.39 | serf | :P |
| 21:36.49 | RockSlice | having an identity crisis? |
| 21:36.52 | zenzelezz | so what's with all the nick changes? Something in a different channel? |
| 21:36.59 | sanserf | Down with serf! |
| 21:37.20 | nevcairiel | we're discussing a possible nick for a bot |
| 21:37.24 | NightHawkTheSane | windows' focus issues make me want to kill someone. |
| 21:37.33 | serf | unfortunately I'm spamming like 20 channels :s |
| 21:37.41 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: focus issues? |
| 21:37.48 | amro | Kirov: did you update the globes? |
| 21:38.22 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: I have idiotic issues with applications (usually VS2k5) where switching to it via alt-tab or the task bar doesn't properly focus it, so the cursor isn't highlighted correctly and selection doesn't work. |
| 21:38.46 | Kirov | amro - not publicly. |
| 21:38.59 | Kirov | I'm working out some issues with the event text animation |
| 21:39.04 | NightHawkTheSane | kirov keeps his balls private. |
| 21:39.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 21:39.11 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: hm, I've seen something like that occasionally... usually assumed it was the application in question doing something odd |
| 21:39.31 | Kirov | I keep making my fiancee look at my balls, she's starting to get annoyed with them. |
| 21:39.56 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: it may be. I notice it most in Visual Studio because i do so much text entry ther, I just kinda assumed it was windows and other applications didn't bother me as much. |
| 21:40.43 | NightHawkTheSane | I also notice that (with many different applications) clicking the window icon/thing on the task bar won't always minimize it if it's focused. |
| 21:42.15 | amro | Kirov: suggestion- showing the amount left on the orb, similar to the way amount missing is shown |
| 21:42.50 | Kirov | amro - attached to the liquid surface? |
| 21:43.42 | amro | yes, below it |
| 21:44.08 | Kirov | Perhaps I could show both values on the same line |
| 21:44.08 | Kirov | -5000 | 5000 |
| 21:44.21 | amro | would get confusing |
| 21:44.32 | Kirov | true |
| 21:44.33 | amro | amount left is on top of the orb but it's easier to parse without the /max |
| 21:45.36 | amro | scale slider in interface options == UIParent:SetScale(x)? |
| 21:45.50 | Kirov | Yes |
| 21:46.47 | Kirov | At the moment I'm fairly happy with the fact I'm able to show all 4 values (max, remaining, missing, percentage) with out completely obscuring the globe. |
| 21:47.24 | Esamynn | amro: essentially, yes |
| 21:48.11 | Kirov | I've considered making a "curved" font as a seperate texture so I can wrap the value around the globe rather than having it just sit there straight. |
| 21:49.17 | Duman | GAH |
| 21:49.22 | Kirov | Right now I've been trying to keep multiple health / energy events that happen in the same time frame from overlapping. |
| 21:49.22 | Duman | northrend poof |
| 21:49.32 | Esamynn | hmm? |
| 21:49.55 | Kirov | Actually, if anyone has links to some fast rectangle packing algorithms, that'd be awesome. |
| 21:56.20 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:56.30 | Duman | loading bar full for the last 5min, no zone tho |
| 21:57.47 | Kirov | You know, I'm surprised blizzard hasn't enabled some sort of spam filter for the forums. |
| 21:58.10 | bleeter | I'm surprised they don't have a captcha |
| 21:58.22 | bleeter | should stop at least some of the keylogger spamming foo |
| 21:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: they have one. When you create the account. |
| 21:58.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 21:58.34 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: mighty tough |
| 21:58.48 | ScytheBlade1 | What they need are more 'dynamic' bans |
| 21:58.53 | cbreak | better than a captcha. you have to pay :) |
| 21:59.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 21:59.21 | Kirov | My assuption is that all of the spam posts on the forums are hacked accounts. |
| 21:59.34 | bleeter | Kirov: I'd say 99.99% prolly are, aye |
| 21:59.36 | Kirov | Hence ban-hammer might be a bit harsh. |
| 21:59.39 | cbreak | damn, logging into the beta server is hard. I wonder why blizzard thought that one server would be enough... |
| 21:59.47 | bleeter | the remainder being the bored-moron category |
| 22:00.07 | Kirov | cbreak - part of the beta is about load handling. :P |
| 22:00.29 | cbreak | I thought they do that on my life realm all the time already... |
| 22:00.41 | Kirov | cbreak - yes, they do. But not with the changes they've made. |
| 22:00.47 | bleeter | on the subject of bored morons, my DK got dumped @ LHC at lvl 58, and I was all 'ergh, here we go again and the chain doesn't make any sense dump me at chillwind for my AD trinket' |
| 22:00.59 | Kirov | They need to make sure nothing they've done inadvertently causes an excess load someplace. |
| 22:02.05 | bleeter | every time I think of levelling the DK through outlands, I shudder. 'Here's this new content and foo, but you can only use it for three elvels then you'll have to play the stuff you've been playing for the past two years'... just sounds a bit odd - particularly when the 'lore' side of DK (as given through quest chains) dies really suddenly @ LHC. |
| 22:02.12 | bleeter | yes, as I said,... ima bored-moron |
| 22:03.20 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: on the upside, the xp changes make outland go preetty quickly. ;) |
| 22:03.34 | Kirov | bleeter - I'm sure Blizzard will work hard to make a full soloable quest line for their next character class that'll go from evel 70 to level 90. |
| 22:03.40 | cbreak | on the upside, you save 55 levels :) |
| 22:03.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 22:03.48 | Kirov | It'll also be in first person only and include a crowbar. |
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| 22:04.12 | Kirov | Freeman class |
| 22:05.53 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 22:05.58 | NightHawkTheSane | I think my wireless just.. died.. >.> |
| 22:07.20 | Duman | Whiskey Tango Foxtrot |
| 22:07.32 | Duman | I zoned back in, dead... but no body |
| 22:07.46 | Duman | submitted a /bug report, and started walking back up to the spirit healer |
| 22:07.50 | Duman | and then I teleported |
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| 22:07.55 | Duman | and then the server booted me :) |
| 22:07.57 | Duman | lol |
| 22:08.00 | Duman | now I can't zone in again |
| 22:08.20 | Duman | woo, world server down |
| 22:08.23 | foxlit | ordinary lag, Duman |
| 22:08.36 | Duman | server is very unhappy |
| 22:08.44 | foxlit | It's been like that since the build before this one, someone broke something with inventory management |
| 22:09.21 | Duman | hah, now I zoned back in |
| 22:09.23 | Duman | but alive! |
| 22:09.24 | Duman | LOL |
| 22:09.54 | Duman | fox: yeah, looting and any general inventory manipulation results in severe lag |
| 22:10.44 | foxlit | Looting things you already have an incomplete stack of is fine, however |
| 22:19.38 | Kirov | Can you move things in your bags while doing stuff like mining / fishing? |
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| 22:19.48 | Mooninaut | hmm, so is there a way to distinguish between regular mobs and enemy players' pets? |
| 22:20.04 | Kirov | Mooninaut - for what purpose? |
| 22:20.26 | Kirov | (the reason changes the answer) |
| 22:20.30 | Mooninaut | I want to show/hide a frame based on whether the player's target is a hostile mob |
| 22:21.02 | Mooninaut | it should be shown for mobs but hidden for players' pets |
| 22:21.19 | Kirov | Is this a clickable frame (ie: UnitFrame) |
| 22:21.37 | Mooninaut | nope |
| 22:21.43 | Kirov | Then yes, you can. |
| 22:21.50 | foxlit | UnitIsPet |
| 22:22.12 | Mooninaut | hmm, I was going off the API list on WoWWiki and didn't see that one |
| 22:22.23 | alestane | What do you want ot bet this guy tries to ignore me: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9015671571&sid=1 |
| 22:22.31 | foxlit | that's because it's also nil |
| 22:22.45 | Kirov | foxlit - hehe, yeah, not that easy. |
| 22:23.40 | Kirov | Mooninaut - there are two ways to do it. The most accurate method is to match combat log events with a unit and check its flags. Unfortunately it means you need to take some sort of combat action against a unit to find it. |
| 22:24.05 | Kirov | The other method I know of is to scan the unit's tooltip. |
| 22:24.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ... you know, it's kinda lame watching video of olympic events that are already done.. i mean.. i know what happens >.> |
| 22:24.58 | foxlit | Hm, I need a pet |
| 22:26.06 | foxlit | You could try UnitFactionGroup and UnitIsPlayer |
| 22:26.14 | foxlit | Pets are associated with parent faction |
| 22:26.41 | foxlit | But so are faction NPCs |
| 22:26.47 | alestane | I think there's also a UnitIsPlayerControlled function. |
| 22:26.48 | foxlit | hey, wait |
| 22:26.55 | foxlit | UnitGUID mask will tell you |
| 22:27.14 | Duman | boo. |
| 22:27.15 | Kirov | foxlit - can you gleen if something is a pet vs. mob from the GUID? |
| 22:27.20 | Hjalte | clad|sleep: DressToKill is a great idea, but how does it handle staff vs 1h + oh? |
| 22:27.21 | Kirov | I didn't think you could. |
| 22:27.26 | foxlit | foxlit: I think you can :) |
| 22:27.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i think there's a flag that specifies that. |
| 22:27.30 | Kirov | I know you can from it's flags |
| 22:27.31 | foxlit | It's a pet if the upper bits masked with 0x00f = 0x004 |
| 22:27.33 | NightHawkTheSane | check wowwiki :P |
| 22:27.34 | Kirov | and talking to yourself? |
| 22:27.38 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitGUID |
| 22:27.51 | Kirov | Aha |
| 22:27.58 | foxlit | Upper bits of the GUID will tell you if it's a player, creature or pet |
| 22:28.29 | Kirov | if bit.band(UnitGUID("target"),0x004) == 0x004 then -- PET! |
| 22:28.45 | foxlit | Hmm |
| 22:28.49 | foxlit | I'm not sure that'd do it |
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| 22:28.53 | foxlit | for several reasons :) |
| 22:29.18 | Kirov | if bit.band(UnitGUID("target"),0x00F) == 0x004 then -- PET? |
| 22:29.20 | foxlit | UnitGUID returns a string; band expects an integer |
| 22:29.36 | alestane | There is a tonumber function. |
| 22:29.38 | foxlit | You're also testing low bits with that rather than high bits |
| 22:29.55 | foxlit | alestane: you'll lose the integer range if you tonumber a guid |
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| 22:30.06 | foxlit | You need something like |
| 22:30.43 | foxlit | if bit.band(tonumber(UnitGUID("target"):sub(1, #("0x00f")), 16), 0x00f) == 0x004 then -- PET |
| 22:30.46 | Kirov | !lua bit.band(tonumber("0x0040000341"),0x00F) |
| 22:30.47 | batbot | Kirov: @ [string "return bit.band(tonumber("0x0040000341"),0x..."]:1: attempt to index global 'bit' (a nil value) |
| 22:30.53 | Kirov | lua> bit.band(tonumber("0x0040000341"),0x00F) |
| 22:30.54 | lua_bot | Kirov: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'bit' (a nil value) |
| 22:30.58 | Kirov | bah |
| 22:31.09 | Kirov | lua bot fail |
| 22:31.32 | foxlit | lua> require |
| 22:31.32 | lua_bot | foxlit: nil |
| 22:31.50 | foxlit | lua> tonumber("0x00400000012729FD", 16); |
| 22:31.51 | lua_bot | foxlit: 4294967295 |
| 22:32.01 | foxlit | lua> 2^32-1 |
| 22:32.02 | lua_bot | foxlit: 4294967295 |
| 22:32.02 | alestane | lua> return bitlib |
| 22:32.02 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 22:32.21 | foxlit | Ergo, you can't tonumber() a unit GUID :) |
| 22:32.35 | Sixen | Ordinn isn't Mike Morhaime, right? |
| 22:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 22:32.49 | Sixen | o_O. |
| 22:32.59 | alestane | The bit lib is loaded in WoW, however. |
| 22:33.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 22:33.15 | bleeter | Sixen: yes, he descended to the sewers! :) |
| 22:33.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, no |
| 22:33.22 | bleeter | oh |
| 22:33.24 | bleeter | not? |
| 22:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Now reading the wowwiki page I'm not sure |
| 22:33.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Ordinn |
| 22:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | He's supposedly a CM |
| 22:33.41 | Kirov | guid == 64bit # > lua number == double |
| 22:34.27 | Sixen | onyz |
| 22:34.32 | Sixen | Didn't knwo that was Mike |
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| 22:36.25 | Mooninaut | so basically the answer is "yes, you can distinguish pets but it's more trouble that it's worth" |
| 22:37.07 | foxlit | f bit.band(tonumber(UnitGUID("target"):sub(1, #("0x00f")), 16), 0x00f) == 0x004 then -- PET |
| 22:37.13 | foxlit | s/f/if/ |
| 22:37.14 | foxlit | seems simple to me |
| 22:37.21 | Hirsute-Away | What's the current beta build? 3.0.1.???? |
| 22:37.41 | cbreak | 3.0.1.8788 |
| 22:37.58 | Hirsute-Away | Oh, good. Last patch |
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| 22:38.38 | Tyler232 | hey |
| 22:39.04 | Mooninaut | hmm, now I need to find an enemy player with a pet to test that out on |
| 22:39.23 | cbreak | tons of enemy players in shatrath. |
| 22:39.28 | Tyler232 | anyone know if addons can load .txt files |
| 22:39.29 | Tem|afk | um |
| 22:39.32 | Tem|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.49 | cbreak | only if you rename them to .lua and they contain lua code :) |
| 22:43.36 | Sixen | So hm |
| 22:43.47 | Kirov | Tyler232 - All direct file interactions from wow's Lua code is disabled. You can load .lua files via the LoadAddon functions to load in data after the game is started, but only if specific rules are followed. |
| 22:45.06 | Duman | man |
| 22:45.11 | Duman | beta servers are in a sad state |
| 22:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Stuff happens |
| 22:45.25 | cbreak | they should have added a second one :/ |
| 22:45.47 | Duman | heh |
| 22:45.56 | Duman | I'm just more curious what's wrong :) |
| 22:46.03 | Duman | clearly it's inventory-related |
| 22:46.06 | cbreak | too many users on it |
| 22:46.09 | Duman | nah |
| 22:46.21 | Duman | well, maybe for it running in debug mode |
| 22:46.21 | cbreak | ha! I managed to log in |
| 22:46.31 | Lunessa | heh... this morning, adding the max number of items to e-mail disconnected me. |
| 22:46.49 | cbreak | you sure it wasn't just a random dc? |
| 22:46.54 | Duman | heh |
| 22:47.49 | Sixen | Heya duman |
| 22:48.16 | Sixen | Er, Spidey* |
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| 22:49.15 | Lunessa | So many sex leg posts. |
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| 22:52.11 | Lunessa | And... passive agressive FTL: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9023602419&sid=1 |
| 22:53.06 | foxlit | I don't see anything... |
| 22:53.23 | foxlit | well, ignorant and unprepared for the responses, yeah, but not aggressive? :) |
| 22:53.34 | Lunessa | Maybe I should just say "Do it for me post" |
| 22:54.07 | ScytheBlade1 | " got the .toc file easy, I just need any .lua or .xml needed." |
| 22:54.14 | Tekkub | oh come on, the TOC is the hardest part |
| 22:56.21 | foxlit | It has all sorts of evil fields |
| 22:56.23 | foxlit | Like say |
| 22:56.28 | foxlit | ## Title: |
| 22:56.34 | foxlit | That takes an eternity! |
| 22:57.53 | Kirov | Lunessa - I have this idea for a business that'll make millions of dollars. I've got the letter head all done, I just need someone who can do the easy business and marketting side of it. Are you interested? |
| 22:58.53 | foxlit | Don't forget |
| 22:59.08 | foxlit | "I couldn't find any tutorials about starting a business." |
| 22:59.18 | Lunessa | Kirov: Only if the business pays me in pieces of eight, liquor and whores. |
| 22:59.41 | Tem|afk | Someone needs to change Northrend's Diaper |
| 22:59.48 | Tem|afk | it's clearly quite full |
| 23:00.43 | Duman | very |
| 23:00.47 | Duman | wtb rebooterage |
| 23:00.54 | Duman | whirled server down |
| 23:01.40 | kd3 | c'mon world server! lemme port to theramore! |
| 23:01.43 | Kirov | Lunessa - btw, the links you posted are inadequate. None of those include code the poster can copy and paste to make his mod work! |
| 23:02.05 | Duman | haha |
| 23:02.15 | Lunessa | Kirov, he didn't pay me in pieces of eight, liquor or whores either. |
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| 23:03.31 | Kirov | Speaking of pieces of eight, does anyone know why they're called pieces of 8? |
| 23:04.29 | Lunessa | yes. |
| 23:04.44 | Kirov | Good. |
| 23:05.05 | Lunessa | Are you looking for elucidation? |
| 23:05.06 | Nechckn | it's because the coin was worth 8 dollars |
| 23:05.20 | Nechckn | well.. 8 spanish dollars |
| 23:05.23 | Duman | LOL |
| 23:05.35 | Duman | as soon as I alt-f4 to try logging back in again, it finishes loading |
| 23:05.44 | Kirov | Nechckn - there's more to it than that. As in, why were they worth 8 dollars. |
| 23:05.46 | Lunessa | It's because you could break the coin into 8 pieces. |
| 23:06.11 | Kirov | What lunessa said. |
| 23:06.14 | Kirov | gogo pirate lore |
| 23:06.35 | Sixen | lol @ ninja turtles in latest beta build: http://www.blizzplanet.com/coppermine/albums/wow-wrath-of-the-lich-king/dalaran/WoWScrnShot_081408_065912.jpg |
| 23:06.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:06.51 | Lunessa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dollar |
| 23:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I saw those earlier, but didn't look at them in detail |
| 23:07.16 | Lunessa | Oh, that RULES! |
| 23:07.33 | Lunessa | They even have mutagenic ooze in bottles. |
| 23:07.38 | Sixen | Yeah lawl |
| 23:07.41 | Sixen | The flasks next to them |
| 23:07.52 | kd3 | lmao, awesome |
| 23:08.12 | Lunessa | They need an event where they mutate and kick some fucking ass |
| 23:08.34 | Lunessa | Not the TV cartoon version, but the B&W Comic ... ROCK ON |
| 23:09.53 | Kirov | http://www.ninjaturtles.com/comics/mirage/one/pg01.htm |
| 23:10.39 | Lunessa | Yes. 1984 FTW |
| 23:10.39 | Industrial | I'm almost at the point where im going to play wow and wow-wotlk at the same time |
| 23:10.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Dezzimal (i=Dezzimal@207-118-178-113.dyn.centurytel.net) |
| 23:10.55 | Industrial | cause wotlk is stuck all the time anyway |
| 23:11.02 | Industrial | i can just run both at the same time |
| 23:11.30 | kd3 | sweet. ported to theramore, I'm still in IF with the honorless target buff |
| 23:11.51 | Duman | heh |
| 23:11.52 | Industrial | at 0sec remaining? :p |
| 23:12.03 | kd3 | nah, the buff came and went like normal |
| 23:12.08 | Industrial | I'm receiving my character list! |
| 23:12.15 | Duman | I'm stuck at full loading bar |
| 23:12.20 | Duman | for the last 5min |
| 23:12.25 | kd3 | good thing I'm standing next to the reagent vendor |
| 23:12.27 | Industrial | Duman: 15 to go |
| 23:12.40 | Duman | clearly |
| 23:12.50 | Industrial | back to sg1 for me |
| 23:13.16 | |pez| | sg1 <3! |
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| 23:15.08 | Kirov | oh god, how did I miss this gem |
| 23:15.08 | Kirov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUOJ8_lhedY |
| 23:16.36 | Tem|afk | Duman, I've been trying to zone into Strat for 20m |
| 23:16.41 | Tem|afk | still not getting in |
| 23:20.28 | Tem|afk | Duman, I'm not partied with you anymore :( |
| 23:20.35 | Tem|afk | Duman, I have failed to ghettohearth |
| 23:20.52 | Lunessa | Kirov... I hate you so much right now. |
| 23:22.15 | Kirov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdSFHCwlDRw - increase the loathing |
| 23:22.24 | Lunessa | When lisenced products go horribly wrong. |
| 23:28.06 | Lunessa | oh god, so lame. |
| 23:30.07 | Neuro_Medivh | can I assume that the Northrend server is still kerplunkt? |
| 23:30.11 | Duman | tem: :-/ |
| 23:30.37 | Duman | tem: by the time we get it working, your HS will be off cooldown :P |
| 23:31.56 | Kirov | I think my favorite part about Power Rangers is the fact that they dub every scene, even ones where there are real people. |
| 23:32.15 | Kirov | It just increases the camp factor exponentially. |
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| 23:35.33 | Lunessa | Kirov: It ... it's horrible. Totally horrible. |
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| 23:42.15 | devXero | hey, possible to listen for a recurring event and act ONLY if it fires immediatley after another event? |
| 23:42.57 | Kirov | sure |
| 23:43.06 | devXero | for examplke... INSPECT_HONOR_UPDATE fires many times... too many for me to act on every time. However, the last time it fires is right after INSPECT_TALENT_READY |
| 23:43.16 | Kirov | Define "immediatley" |
| 23:43.30 | devXero | forget immediatley |
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| 23:43.47 | Garoun|Loupana | why not check for talent, and only act if the next event is honor? |
| 23:43.49 | devXero | I was thinking about it wrong because I had dtevents only showing INSPECT events |
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| 23:44.08 | devXero | Garoun|Loupana: I'm not sure how to check the previous event... |
| 23:44.29 | devXero | since a registered event fires it's own OnEvent, |
| 23:44.30 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm just thinking out loud :P that's a designer thought not a api programmer thought :( |
| 23:44.37 | Kirov | local doUpdate; if event == "INSPECT_TALENT_READY" then doUpdate = 1 elseif doUpdate and event == "INSPECT_HONOR_UPDATE" then -- do stuff end |
| 23:45.10 | devXero | *facepalm* |
| 23:45.35 | devXero | thanks Kirov, sometimes it's the easiest solutions |
| 23:45.44 | Kirov | no |
| 23:45.51 | Kirov | usually it's the easiest solution |
| 23:45.57 | devXero | heh' |
| 23:46.40 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm guessing, don't forget to reset doUpdate to 0 after you get into the inside loop |
| 23:47.50 | *** join/#wowuidev ecstasia (n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia) |
| 23:47.55 | Kirov | Lunessa - I knew a karate teacher who was friends with the all the power rangers. He aparently was originally offered the roll of the green power ranger from the first series. |
| 23:48.45 | sacarasc | the cool ranger |
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| 23:49.13 | End | hm |
| 23:49.16 | Lunessa | Heh, and I went to school with a producer for ALF. And my Great Uncle played Spanky on The Little Rascals... but... *shiver* |
| 23:49.19 | End | I dont think that is intentional |
| 23:49.27 | End | you can get the falling without dying achievement while dead |
| 23:49.45 | Kirov | End - breaking the system! |
| 23:49.57 | sacarasc | report it, it's your duty! |
| 23:50.36 | End | Reported! |
| 23:52.25 | sacarasc | \o/ |
| 23:57.01 | Lunessa | *sigh* I just read a thread on my Live realm forum... several of the jerk-asses from there are in beta. belch |
