| 00:00.08 | p3lim | haste: self.Debuffs['group-x'] = 'LEFT' didnt work on beta |
| 00:00.57 | p3lim | nevenmind... >_> |
| 00:01.01 | p3lim | wtb coffee |
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| 00:06.33 | Lunessa | WTB API PST :P |
| 00:06.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 00:07.00 | NightHawkTheSane | so uh.. the UC->TM flight path.. now goes THROUGH the dalaran bubble. |
| 00:07.01 | Lunessa | Too much caffeine. |
| 00:07.11 | NightHawkTheSane | and the dalaran in the bubble.. is a crater now. |
| 00:08.09 | ckknight | that's kinda cool |
| 00:10.09 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: that'l teach those earth elementals! |
| 00:10.09 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: the bubble isn't solid anymore either |
| 00:10.21 | Industrial | or wait, were they alliance pets? :p |
| 00:10.28 | kd3 | yup, you can freefall to the bottom of the crater |
| 00:10.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: i thought that was implied when i said the flight went THROUGH it.. |
| 00:10.54 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: no, because flight paths are totally capable of taking you through otherwise solid objects :P |
| 00:10.59 | Duman | sigh |
| 00:11.31 | Dashkal | Duman: if you haven't seen it yet: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765785084&sid=1 |
| 00:11.45 | Dashkal | it's 5:11 PST now |
| 00:11.50 | Duman | yeah |
| 00:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: well, fair enough, but in either case, blizzard had to explicitly change the flight path to do so, which they probably wouldn't have done if it was still solid. |
| 00:11.58 | Duman | (I'm Pacific time, too :) ) |
| 00:12.01 | NightHawkTheSane | but *shrug* |
| 00:12.01 | Esamynn | true |
| 00:12.02 | kd3 | WTF |
| 00:12.06 | kd3 | within minutes!? |
| 00:12.07 | Duman | I'll be on at 7:55 refreshing like a mofo |
| 00:12.14 | Duman | kd3: I find that hard to believe |
| 00:12.14 | Dashkal | Good luck to you |
| 00:12.49 | Duman | thanks |
| 00:12.57 | Duman | btw, this was my scenario: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765575002&sid=1 |
| 00:13.06 | Duman | I realize CSF can't do anything really... I just had to vent tho |
| 00:14.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: in my experiences, any posts on the CSF tend to me incredibly frustrating. |
| 00:16.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: though I've gotta say, I have never seen anyone as fervent and as dedicated as you over trying to give their money away ;) |
| 00:16.12 | Duman | lol |
| 00:16.28 | Sixen | Doomy duman |
| 00:16.30 | Esamynn | haha |
| 00:16.38 | Sixen | Kd3, you have a ticket yet? |
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| 00:17.20 | kd3 | neg |
| 00:17.23 | Duman | doh |
| 00:17.52 | Sixen | :( |
| 00:18.00 | Sixen | I wish we had Hortus' e-mail right about now.. |
| 00:18.03 | Duman | haha |
| 00:19.07 | kd3 | hm |
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| 00:20.24 | Lunessa | your monies, gief dem to me. |
| 00:20.34 | ScytheBlade1 | He's dead, ignore him |
| 00:20.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Pass them to me |
| 00:20.53 | Lopeppeppy | No, Peppy. |
| 00:21.45 | Duman | haha |
| 00:23.12 | kd3 | whee. the nifty stopwatch and the skull of impending doom |
| 00:23.53 | Lopeppeppy | Skull? |
| 00:24.07 | kd3 | badlands quest |
| 00:24.09 | Ackis | anyone here a mage on horde pvp that could port me to dalaran? |
| 00:24.31 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, yes, I remember those, kd3. And the special alchemy potion you can learn. |
| 00:24.55 | ScytheBlade1 | (with that said I'm actually alliance PvE, so..) |
| 00:25.12 | Ackis | useless :P |
| 00:31.37 | kd3 | the restorative potion. neat |
| 00:32.07 | ccox | Ackis - I've been asking for that service for 2 days now, without any response |
| 00:32.18 | ccox | Ackis - I don't know if mages don't have portals there yet, or they just don't care |
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| 00:32.31 | kd3 | most of us start ignoring people who ask for dalaran ports |
| 00:32.33 | Dewin | Hmm... I can't log in to WoW. As soon as all my addons and whatnot finish loading, my screen cycles in and out of WoW's gamma correction settings. Time to try a restart I guess |
| 00:32.50 | Lunessa | If alliance side is any indication, mages get POUNDED for that service. |
| 00:33.01 | ccox | ah, ok |
| 00:33.15 | ccox | I just figured that horde mages weren't up to it yet |
| 00:33.22 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Usually that list is under 8 people long |
| 00:33.35 | ccox | yep |
| 00:33.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Whenever I'm in Dalaran I get as many as one request every four minutes |
| 00:33.53 | foxlit | and fs, l2level without dalaran! |
| 00:34.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It was old before I even plugged in my beta key |
| 00:34.01 | ccox | of course, I've also heard that Dalaran's floor is a minefield, or an illusion |
| 00:34.04 | foxlit | Will get there soon enough :) |
| 00:34.27 | kd3 | the barbershop stairs are a trap |
| 00:34.41 | ccox | well, can anyone tell me the exact name of the dalaran zone (so I can add it to the list of trade zones)? |
| 00:34.47 | kd3 | "Dalaran" |
| 00:34.57 | ccox | ok |
| 00:35.00 | Shirik | awesome! |
| 00:35.12 | Shirik | My ventrilo control panel gives me the option to move my server to a different box |
| 00:35.15 | Shirik | one of the boxes is in Hong Kong |
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| 00:35.28 | ccox | hmm, Enchantrix Barker is probably the easiest one to update and test |
| 00:37.27 | foxlit | You need a zone name to figure out if there's a trade channel? |
| 00:39.54 | kd3 | crap. blinked myself into a trap in ulda |
| 00:40.26 | Lopeppeppy | A trap? |
| 00:40.58 | kd3 | I'm stuck in a corner behind an urn bigger than I am |
| 00:41.35 | Neuro_Medivh | gnome? |
| 00:41.39 | kd3 | ya |
| 00:41.43 | Neuro_Medivh | muhahah! =) |
| 00:42.30 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, how did TicketQuest go today? |
| 00:43.02 | Sixen | no |
| 00:43.06 | Sixen | Don't even bring that up. |
| 00:43.14 | Neuro_Medivh | that bad, huh? |
| 00:43.20 | Sixen | It's horrible. |
| 00:43.28 | Sixen | It was up for 16 minutes and they sold out basically. |
| 00:43.34 | Sixen | And it was full of fail. |
| 00:43.41 | Esamynn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765643774&sid=2000 <-- for the tanks in the channel |
| 00:43.48 | Neuro_Medivh | well, there's several ways to express displeasure with the company. Boycotting their products is one, arson is another. |
| 00:44.15 | Sixen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank <-- for the tanks in the channel |
| 00:44.15 | Esamynn | the law tends to frown upon the latter though |
| 00:44.24 | Esamynn | ~lart Sixen |
| 00:44.24 | purl | frags Sixen with his BFG9000 |
| 00:44.27 | Sixen | <3 |
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| 00:48.11 | Dewin | Hmm. 128 character limit on notes on people on your friends list. |
| 00:48.19 | Dewin | That doesn't leave a lot of room for me to store addon-specific data in there. |
| 00:49.15 | Industrial | why would you store it in there |
| 00:49.23 | Industrial | instead of in e.g. a saved variable? |
| 00:50.11 | Dewin | Because it's data on friends and it'd allow the addon to work on multiple computers. It was just a thought though. |
| 00:50.49 | Dewin | and some of it was going to be actually be friend notes |
| 00:52.09 | Dewin | I'm still in the tinkering stages anyway, this would be my first addon (well, first WoW addon, I've written some stuff for FFXI) |
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| 00:53.46 | Sargeras | Cairenn cutie, send me a PM when ya get back <3 |
| 00:55.02 | Tekkub | Dolby, the (WotLK) tag doesn't show up on http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=20806 |
| 00:55.13 | Tekkub | also, the 'T' should be lower case :) |
| 00:58.08 | ccox | foxlit - you need a zone name to figure out what location to bark IN the trade channel |
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| 01:05.15 | Neuro_Medivh | Astrolabe is a dongle lib, correct? not Ace? |
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| 01:05.50 | MentalPower | correct |
| 01:05.54 | MentalPower | afaik |
| 01:06.03 | MentalPower | Esamynn should know better since he wrote it |
| 01:06.07 | Neuro_Medivh | ah |
| 01:06.40 | Lunessa | heh fail me... Make changes in my source and forget to copy them to my AddOn folder. |
| 01:07.01 | MentalPower | ~fail Lunessa |
| 01:07.01 | purl | Lunessa, you Fail! |
| 01:07.07 | MentalPower | use symlinks |
| 01:07.17 | MentalPower | they're quite awesome |
| 01:07.56 | Lunessa | I should, OS X totally supports it. |
| 01:07.57 | ccox | (windows users are going "what's a symlink?") |
| 01:08.05 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: correct, it will change to LibStub at some point |
| 01:08.12 | Nechckn | works fine in window, too ccox |
| 01:08.24 | Esamynn | it started as AceLibrary, but I killed that when they tried to enforce version numbering |
| 01:08.25 | MentalPower | ntfslink, aye |
| 01:08.25 | Nechckn | just needs a little help is all |
| 01:08.27 | ccox | nechckn - by a different name |
| 01:08.54 | MentalPower | vista has actual symlinks, albeit the GUI is non-existent |
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| 01:09.08 | ccox | nechckn - even mac users rarely know them by that name |
| 01:09.24 | MentalPower | and for network-based symlinks it requires vista on both ends (dunno why) |
| 01:09.28 | Esamynn | I finally broke done and got the ntfslinks utility to setup my addons stuff for coordination between my wotlk install and my live install |
| 01:09.49 | Esamynn | Junctions to Junctions, etc. etc. :) |
| 01:09.56 | kd3 | dust to dust? |
| 01:10.04 | MentalPower | ashes to ashes? |
| 01:10.04 | Nechckn | winbolic works, MentalPower |
| 01:10.09 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: why do you ask btw? |
| 01:13.52 | Nechckn | winbolic allows hard links and junctions- even across network |
| 01:14.00 | Nechckn | as long as you have Win2K and up |
| 01:14.20 | Esamynn | NTFS file system is what is required, actually |
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| 01:15.19 | Nechckn | NTFS-5 and up, so no WinNT3.51 |
| 01:15.28 | Hjalte | Didn't I see a Lightheaded for wotlk around or was I just imagining? |
| 01:19.42 | Corrodias | wait, what? hard links across a network? that doesn't make sense |
| 01:20.13 | Nechckn | works |
| 01:20.20 | Nechckn | check it out http://www.pearlmagik.com/winbolic/ |
| 01:20.23 | Corrodias | symbolic links, yes. hard links? that's quite unintuitive. |
| 01:20.41 | Corrodias | considering network paths don't have filesystem entries on your drive... |
| 01:21.22 | Aiiane | wb Cairenn |
| 01:21.31 | Cairenn | thanks :) |
| 01:21.33 | Aiiane | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.35 | Corrodias | sorry, Nechckn, but that site talks about software that creates symbolic links, not hard links |
| 01:21.50 | Corrodias | at least from my brief overview of the description |
| 01:22.52 | Nechckn | shell links- sorry |
| 01:23.03 | Corrodias | ah! well, never mind |
| 01:23.06 | Nechckn | and junctions |
| 01:23.44 | |pez| | Here's a random question for you guys. Say I wanted to stresstest a site... How would I go about doing that? :P |
| 01:23.52 | Corrodias | get it linked on slashdot |
| 01:24.24 | Corrodias | as for realistic solutions, i dunno |
| 01:24.35 | |pez| | :O |
| 01:24.37 | |pez| | :P |
| 01:24.56 | Lunessa | define "stress" in this case. |
| 01:25.17 | Lopeppeppy | There's a Firefox addon that can give you some ratings, but that's not a stress test |
| 01:25.18 | |pez| | Lunessa: how many users the site can handle before it curls up and dies. :P |
| 01:26.13 | |pez| | There's some discussion about what kind of server you need to run Magento ( eCommerce solution ) |
| 01:26.27 | foxlit | apache ships with a spam-request tool |
| 01:26.30 | foxlit | ab, I think? |
| 01:26.42 | foxlit | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/programs/ab.html |
| 01:26.57 | |pez| | I'd like to try some linodes and see how many users each of them can take. |
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| 01:33.22 | Lunessa | Ok, now to look like a total n00b - for i = 1,120 in pairs(Bartender3.actionbuttons) do Bartender3.actionbuttons[i].object.frame:SetAttribute(TARGET_STRING, 'focus') end - tells me "expected do near in" - what am I doing wrong? |
| 01:34.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: erm, you either want 'for i,v in pairs (...) do' or 'for i=1,2,3 do' |
| 01:34.35 | Lunessa | Thanks. Still learning here. |
| 01:35.10 | NightHawkTheSane | basically, "for i=x,y,z do" is your standard for loop, iterating over i, from x to y with a step of z. |
| 01:35.27 | Corrodias | z is optional, i'd expect |
| 01:35.33 | NightHawkTheSane | probably.. |
| 01:35.55 | Neuro_Medivh | beta down? |
| 01:35.57 | NightHawkTheSane | "for i,v, in pairs(table) do" is a "foreach" loop, iterating over every key in table, setting i equal to the key, and v equal to table[i] |
| 01:36.23 | Lunessa | AH! Ding light is on. |
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| 01:37.03 | NightHawkTheSane | and, because i feel i ought to.. |
| 01:37.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pil |
| 01:37.05 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 01:37.12 | Lunessa | Yeah, have it open. |
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| 01:38.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i cant login to northrend >.> |
| 01:42.49 | Neuro_Medivh | lol: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080811/od_afp/switzerlandoffbeatart |
| 01:43.04 | |pez| | Oh, neat, Linode does referrals now. |
| 01:44.01 | Corrodias | i wish i were an artist |
| 01:44.07 | Corrodias | i can think up stupid shit to enlarge |
| 01:44.38 | foxlit | "S(expletive..)" |
| 01:44.40 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm not sure which is funnier |
| 01:44.42 | foxlit | best part, btw |
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| 01:44.58 | Neuro_Medivh | a large inflatable dog turd landing on some house |
| 01:45.08 | Neuro_Medivh | or the fact that a large inflatable dog turd is "art" |
| 01:45.10 | foxlit | I wonder if they realized they've inadvertently spelled out sex. |
| 01:46.08 | Duman | heh |
| 01:46.14 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh, guess what the hardest Olympic Sport to get a ticket to is? |
| 01:46.22 | Duman | got a canned reply back from billing@, but that's sort of what I expected |
| 01:46.33 | Neuro_Medivh | PING PONG! |
| 01:46.38 | foxlit | whichever the chinese think they're most likely to win, tbh |
| 01:47.20 | Neuro_Medivh | The ping pong events are the hardest, followed by the China-US basketball game |
| 01:48.25 | Duman | christ, this does not bode well |
| 01:48.48 | Duman | blizzard store is still all fubar (xsl errors) and it's still an hour before 8pm |
| 01:49.23 | foxlit | quick, get yourself behind a xsl-caching proxy! |
| 01:49.46 | Neuro_Medivh | well, on the plus side Duman, when you end up getting 30 blizzcon tickets, you can console yourself with selling them on ebay! |
| 01:50.11 | Duman | lol |
| 01:51.43 | foxlit | Meh, I never got that part |
| 01:51.56 | foxlit | They seem to have made no effort on enforcing name-binding on WWI tickets |
| 01:53.03 | foxlit | Are blizzcon tickets not name-bound, or are people counting on the same lack of enforcement when mentioning ebay? :) |
| 01:56.20 | Duman | you fill in a name when ordering |
| 01:56.28 | Duman | but who knows if they will enforce it (probably not) |
| 01:57.10 | Cairenn | what I'm curious about is how people plan on picking them up, since you have to have the CC they were purchased with |
| 01:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to show them the credit card you us-- |
| 01:57.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 01:57.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Cairenn |
| 01:57.19 | purl | steals Cairenn's mojo |
| 01:57.50 | Cairenn | unless the people that purchased them plan on going to BC and then standing outside to give them to the people that bought them from them on eBay? |
| 01:57.56 | Lunessa | my credit card, let me show you it |
| 01:58.24 | foxlit | Walking out and passing a pass doesn't really seem all that strange |
| 01:58.48 | foxlit | (Requiring exact credit cards, on the other hand...) |
| 01:58.51 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, Duman, looks like you're screwed with your 30 extra tickets then! |
| 01:58.53 | Lopeppeppy | If you go and attend yourself, nope. What if you live in Australia and want to re-sell |
| 01:58.59 | Cairenn | foxlit: but trusting that the person you buy them from on eBay is actually going to show up and give you it .... |
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| 01:59.14 | foxlit | Yeah, that's a bit tricky |
| 01:59.24 | Cairenn | you're going to pay them on eBay, ahead of time, buy plane tickets and make hotel reservations |
| 01:59.25 | Neuro_Medivh | did you get tix Cairenn? |
| 01:59.52 | foxlit | are there any on ebay, actually? |
| 01:59.55 | Cairenn | and TRUST that this person who has so few scruples that they are willing to eBay the ticket in the first place is actually going to show up to get the ticket to give to you? |
| 01:59.58 | Duman | lol |
| 02:00.07 | foxlit | http://cgi.ebay.com/Blizzcon-2008-tickets-x-3_W0QQitemZ110279418967QQihZ001QQcategoryZ16122QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:00.09 | foxlit | behold! |
| 02:00.10 | Duman | I wish I had 1 ticket let alone 30 extra |
| 02:00.11 | Zurik | did anyone miss me while i was gone? haha |
| 02:00.12 | Cairenn | wouldn't catch me being that trusting |
| 02:00.20 | Cairenn | Zurik: nevah! |
| 02:00.37 | foxlit | "Glad you asked. The seller lives within range of Blizzcon '08 and will gladly pick up the tickets and hand them to you personally! No mail worries, no shipping mishandling." |
| 02:00.53 | Lopeppeppy | 300 bucks a piece? |
| 02:01.01 | foxlit | meh, I don't see that being worth the money |
| 02:01.07 | Cairenn | you can't mail them to begin with, since you can't get them before the con |
| 02:01.21 | Corrodias | isn't scalping tickets illegal in the US? |
| 02:01.21 | Cairenn | I just really don't understand people |
| 02:01.33 | foxlit | rampant capitalism does that |
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| 02:01.35 | ckknight | Corrodias: why would it be illegal? |
| 02:01.42 | Lopeppeppy | Scalping has a legal definition, Corrodias. Not sure this fits it |
| 02:01.43 | Corrodias | i'm not sure -why-, but that doesn't answer my question |
| 02:02.07 | Corrodias | ah. i should learn it some time. |
| 02:03.04 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, scalping is boring. |
| 02:03.06 | Corrodias | answer: only in certain states |
| 02:03.08 | Lunessa | Well, I'm now loading without generating FrameXML errors, but my idea, she doesn't appear to work. |
| 02:03.22 | foxlit | ideas are fanciful mistresses. |
| 02:03.30 | foxlit | Did you treat her right? |
| 02:03.42 | Lopeppeppy | He was offering around his credit card.... |
| 02:03.44 | Lunessa | Probably not, all of my exs complain. :P |
| 02:04.24 | |pez| | Now that Linode has a referral program... do you automagically suspect me of making money from innocent souls whenever I recommend it? |
| 02:04.41 | foxlit | YES! |
| 02:04.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh, it does now? |
| 02:04.42 | Zurik | Cairenn! hello there. |
| 02:04.46 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:04.48 | Rabbitbunny | you can sell souls now?!?! |
| 02:04.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have at least two referrals from this channel alone :P |
| 02:04.51 | Zurik | yeah, i've been outa town for a bit. |
| 02:04.58 | Zurik | back to back camping trips. |
| 02:05.02 | Zurik | exausting! |
| 02:05.10 | Lunessa | I would totally expect people to pimp places that paid them |pez| - it's only natural. |
| 02:05.14 | foxlit | It's a one-time reward, however? |
| 02:05.23 | |pez| | ScytheBlade1: it only gives credit to your account though, so it's not money you actualy get to your account |
| 02:05.28 | |pez| | bankaccount* |
| 02:05.39 | foxlit | I'm sure you could terminate your account and cash-out |
| 02:05.40 | |pez| | but it could potentially make your linode free forever and ever. |
| 02:06.02 | foxlit | (only if you keep referring people?) |
| 02:06.14 | |pez| | since it's a $20 pr person you get into the syste, |
| 02:06.15 | |pez| | m |
| 02:06.20 | Duman | so, what do people think my chances are, come 8pm :-/ hmm |
| 02:06.36 | foxlit | probably smaller than of this world server coming back |
| 02:06.59 | Sixen | Duman, I have faith in you |
| 02:07.02 | Sixen | How many do you need? |
| 02:07.03 | Duman | haha |
| 02:07.16 | Duman | 3.. me and 2 friends |
| 02:07.19 | Sixen | :( |
| 02:07.20 | Duman | I mean, if i can get 1, I can get 3 |
| 02:07.23 | Sixen | Truth. |
| 02:07.31 | Sixen | Unless you have a friend who can get you free ones, of course. |
| 02:07.37 | Duman | well, true |
| 02:07.53 | Sixen | =-/ |
| 02:07.58 | Sixen | Did kd3 get one? |
| 02:08.02 | |pez| | See this, this is why me and my friends always were in the queue, and the first one in ordered tickets for all of us. For The Gathering |
| 02:08.06 | Duman | we'll see if I break my F5 key at 8pm or what ;) |
| 02:08.19 | Sixen | lol |
| 02:08.21 | Sixen | I'll be here for it. |
| 02:08.25 | Duman | haha |
| 02:08.32 | Sixen | bbb |
| 02:08.34 | Sixen | brb8 |
| 02:09.22 | Cairenn | good lord ... people are threatening a class action lawsuit over blizzcon ticket sales?!?! ROFLMFAO |
| 02:09.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: are you *really* surprised? |
| 02:09.54 | Cairenn | no |
| 02:10.03 | kd3 | rofl |
| 02:10.05 | Cairenn | just ... god |
| 02:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | People have threatened class action lawsuits over the current state of feral druids ;) |
| 02:10.13 | kd3 | and no, I still haven't gotten one |
| 02:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | (in arena) |
| 02:10.53 | Corrodias | oh? what's wrong with druids now? |
| 02:11.21 | foxlit | NO VIABILITY AND NOT ENOUGH PRETTY FUR TO ADMIRE |
| 02:11.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Corrodias: what foxlit said |
| 02:11.31 | Neuro_Medivh | there's a rumor one actually died in an Arena last week, and druids are calling for buffs |
| 02:11.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:11.38 | Xuerian | Cairenn: ... rofl. |
| 02:11.52 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765643737&sid=1 |
| 02:11.56 | Cairenn | I'm serious |
| 02:11.56 | foxlit | as a balance druid, I absolute adore feral druids |
| 02:11.57 | Xuerian | and foxlit: AMEN |
| 02:12.04 | Cairenn | someone has actually suggested it |
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| 02:12.24 | Stanzilla | nref druids, buff priests :O |
| 02:12.40 | Xuerian | nerf *resto* druids. Buff priests :p |
| 02:12.41 | foxlit | They're like a rogue, but without everything that makes a rogue annoying to fight |
| 02:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) Business has a successful franchise, business holds a convention |
| 02:12.45 | Neuro_Medivh | Rock says, "Scissors are fine. Nerf paper" |
| 02:12.48 | ScytheBlade1 | 2) Business has technical problems. |
| 02:12.52 | ScytheBlade1 | 3) LAWSUIT! |
| 02:12.53 | foxlit | They nerfed resto druids, np |
| 02:12.58 | Corrodias | Satisfaction[quitting_wow] += 1 |
| 02:12.59 | foxlit | The nerf is called death knights :) |
| 02:13.04 | foxlit | ++; |
| 02:13.07 | Neuro_Medivh | nah |
| 02:13.30 | Neuro_Medivh | not like plague strike will do anything against lifebloom |
| 02:13.41 | Neuro_Medivh | "Oh, it's dispelled? I get healed anyway" |
| 02:13.41 | foxlit | It'll just remove the whole stack |
| 02:13.43 | |pez| | harr.. "and most importantly, the lost hours - in school, work and mental anguish people have endured in hope of a normal sales process. |
| 02:13.48 | foxlit | It's not dispelled, it's removed |
| 02:13.57 | ccox | is Dalaran the only new trade zone city in LK? |
| 02:14.12 | Neuro_Medivh | you sure about that? I was under the impression the wording made it like Purge |
| 02:14.17 | foxlit | Yes, I'm sure about that |
| 02:14.29 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm |
| 02:14.37 | rufus | people on wow forums can be so dumb >.< |
| 02:14.47 | foxlit | "The strike removes one heal over time effect from the target." |
| 02:14.54 | foxlit | note removes, not dispells |
| 02:14.56 | ccox | people on any forums seem to lose 50 IQ points just by being on the forums |
| 02:15.06 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 02:15.06 | Neuro_Medivh | it's the same complaint people have every year about sporting event tickets |
| 02:15.27 | Neuro_Medivh | "I didn't get tickets to see RandomSportingEvent! I will SUE!" |
| 02:15.36 | foxlit | (although, tbh, unless someone specifically specs into unholy, that's only 2 stacks / 10 seconds they can remove) |
| 02:16.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: blizz has explicitly said that plague/scourge will not proc the final heal on Lifebloom. |
| 02:16.45 | foxlit | [probably even if they're unholy, wowhead is being silly with ability costs] |
| 02:17.22 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: blood could do some burst with death rune mastery.. |
| 02:17.29 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawk: thanks, makes it far better... my shaman can't ever kill a druid because of lifebloom |
| 02:17.53 | foxlit | blood gorged, however, makes it a rather nasty spec in situations where you don't have full control of your health bar |
| 02:18.01 | ccox | Darn, now I may have to respec my DoctorDruid |
| 02:18.21 | ccox | He'll finally have competition |
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| 02:20.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: was that the class action lawsuit thread? |
| 02:21.11 | ScytheBlade1 | (that was just nuked) |
| 02:21.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, yup. |
| 02:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll probably pop back up in CSF. |
| 02:22.37 | Lopeppeppy | I like Belfie's posts. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765584670&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 02:22.43 | ccox | their lawyers will probably have them pull it off immediately |
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| 02:25.42 | Aiiane | thread about what? |
| 02:27.36 | Lopeppeppy | I'm gonna sue you to death 'cause I'm not happy |
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| 02:29.28 | ccox | "Bliizard now says that they were rationing tickets using selective server availability" "Blizzard spokesman John Q. Muloc said 'Hey, Comcast got away with it, why shouldn't we"'" |
| 02:29.40 | ccox | s/Muloc/Murloc |
| 02:29.44 | *** join/#wowuidev lonk (n=lonkoeni@mars.mediagods.com) |
| 02:30.10 | |pez| | As long as people get their holding fee back... The people have no lawsuit what so ever. |
| 02:30.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Right. Coffee is hot, did you know? |
| 02:31.03 | kd3 | gah |
| 02:31.10 | Duman | sigh |
| 02:31.11 | |pez| | I heard there was someone who sued for hot coffee... |
| 02:31.12 | |pez| | and won |
| 02:31.15 | kd3 | it's been too long. I'd forgotten how desolate desolace works |
| 02:31.24 | Corrodias | i'm sure it was an out-of-court settlement |
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| 02:31.36 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 02:31.36 | Duman | heh |
| 02:33.00 | Duman | T-27min |
| 02:34.09 | lonk | I think I'm confusing myself with the change in parameter passing... To pass all the what-used-to-be argN params, we can use use ... and 'arg' right? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93659 |
| 02:34.33 | kd3 | pez: http://www.caoc.com/CA/index.cfm?event=showPage&pg=facts |
| 02:34.54 | foxlit | arg doesn't exist, I think |
| 02:34.59 | foxlit | arg is a CLI-related table |
| 02:35.10 | foxlit | to pas ..., use ... |
| 02:35.14 | foxlit | s/as/ass/ |
| 02:35.31 | foxlit | i.e. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93660 |
| 02:35.55 | lonk | heh - that sounds like a simple solution! |
| 02:36.08 | foxlit | there's just one evil trick |
| 02:36.23 | foxlit | You can't do functionToCall(self, ..., foo) |
| 02:37.00 | foxlit | In that case, ... gets truncated to (...), which is just the first value in that list |
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| 02:50.06 | Duman | T-10min |
| 02:50.34 | Duman | WHAT |
| 02:50.35 | Sixen | =D |
| 02:50.35 | Duman | "The site is down for maintenance." |
| 02:50.37 | Sixen | .. |
| 02:51.37 | Duman | blizzard really is trying to kill me, I think |
| 02:52.14 | Nechckn | Yep... it just switched to that. Trying to keep everyon happy, maybe? hehehe |
| 02:52.17 | Sixen | :( |
| 02:52.52 | Duman | probably will leave that maint page up until 8 |
| 02:52.56 | Duman | Tue Aug 12 19:52:56 PDT 2008 |
| 02:53.00 | Duman | 7 min |
| 02:53.02 | Duman | sigh |
| 02:53.07 | Sixen | =[ |
| 02:54.07 | Tem|afk | I can't wait for 10 man raiding |
| 02:54.29 | Tem|afk | maybe then I won't have to deal with weak links in my raid grouo |
| 02:54.36 | Tem|afk | group* |
| 02:54.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Tem|afk: there will always be weak links. |
| 02:55.13 | Tem|afk | it's easier to get 9 other competant players than to get 24 |
| 02:55.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ironically, they said the same in the 40->25 switch too. |
| 02:55.49 | Tem|afk | I have a consisten ZA group |
| 02:55.59 | Tem|afk | in that group we are 10 conpetant players |
| 02:56.01 | Tem|afk | it fucking rocks |
| 02:56.16 | Tem|afk | in 25 mans, almost half the raid should be here imo |
| 02:56.21 | Tem|afk | their gear is fine |
| 02:56.32 | Tem|afk | and in tank and spank situations, they're great raiders |
| 02:56.34 | Duman | SCV GOOD TO GO |
| 02:56.38 | Duman | this scv is taunting me |
| 02:56.40 | Duman | I can hear it |
| 02:56.55 | Sixen | lol |
| 02:57.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: actually, that's me. i'm taunting you. |
| 02:58.25 | Duman | :-( |
| 02:59.12 | Sixen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.16 | Duman | Tue Aug 12 19:59:16 PDT 2008 |
| 02:59.20 | Duman | sounds right |
| 02:59.32 | Sixen | x |
| 02:59.34 | Sixen | almost |
| 02:59.41 | Sixen | x |
| 02:59.43 | Sixen | 10 |
| 02:59.43 | Sixen | 9 |
| 02:59.44 | Sixen | 8 |
| 02:59.47 | Sixen | I'm off, lawl. |
| 02:59.50 | Duman | haha |
| 03:00.00 | Duman | Tue Aug 12 20:00:00 PDT 2008 |
| 03:00.01 | Sixen | :X |
| 03:00.06 | Sixen | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.07 | Sixen | lol |
| 03:00.18 | Dewin | Hmm... |
| 03:00.20 | Duman | ~fail me |
| 03:00.20 | purl | duman, you Fail! |
| 03:00.33 | Duman | oh, wait for it |
| 03:00.40 | Duman | nope |
| 03:00.51 | Dewin | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetChannelList has a comment that says "Does not appear to return all channels, only some. I have no idea why, or what criteria it uses. ", but it seems to report all channels for me . Any idea what exactly that means? |
| 03:01.36 | Sixen | (8:01:32 PM) SixenGFX: [08:01:27 PM] <From TechBot.Support@Blizzard> The current time at Blizzard HQ is 8/12/2008 8:01:18 PM PDT. |
| 03:01.36 | Sixen | (8:01:35 PM) SixenGFX: "The site is down for maintenance. We'll be back soon!" |
| 03:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Dewin: nope. You could always try it out yourself. :) |
| 03:01.44 | Dewin | I just did |
| 03:01.45 | Kaso | Could just be someone who was mistaken, or could have been bugged for a version then fixed later |
| 03:02.00 | Dewin | downloaded WoWLua and print(GetChannelList()); works fine |
| 03:02.04 | Fisker- | i hate stuff |
| 03:02.30 | Aiiane | Dewin: "What it means" is that wowwiki can be edited by anyone |
| 03:02.37 | Aiiane | which includes idiots |
| 03:02.40 | Dewin | true... |
| 03:03.47 | Dewin | "07:04, 24 July 2005" yeah, it probably had a bug three years ago |
| 03:06.06 | Sixen | =o |
| 03:06.25 | |Jelly| | Woot! 4/9 in BT and finally got Vashj down. rofl |
| 03:06.42 | Fisker- | BT is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez |
| 03:07.11 | |Jelly| | People beyond progression in BT always say that. |
| 03:07.35 | Duman | XSL errors |
| 03:07.50 | |Jelly| | For instance, Kara is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez but in reality, if a guild is just forming, it's not that easy to them. It's all a matter of perspective. |
| 03:08.09 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: it's nice that some people at least realize that... |
| 03:08.12 | Sixen | Error loading stylesheet: An XSLT stylesheet does not have an XML mimetype:http://www.blizzard.com/store/_layout/_output.xml |
| 03:08.23 | End | The first 3 bosses of BT are silly easy :P |
| 03:08.34 | NightHawkTheSane | najentus is not "silly easy" |
| 03:08.50 | End | sure it is |
| 03:08.53 | NightHawkTheSane | supremus & akama are fairly easy, though |
| 03:09.28 | |pez| | End: It very much depends on the group, the experience, and other underlying variables. |
| 03:09.56 | End | it is somewhat group dependant, I suppose |
| 03:10.08 | End | and you do need that health :P |
| 03:10.18 | NightHawkTheSane | and you need healers who can keep up |
| 03:10.55 | |Jelly| | Honestly ... if I didn't have a full pvp set, 8.5khp unbuffed would have been an issue with me. |
| 03:11.04 | End | the thing that fucks us over about naj more than anything else...is a lack of salv :o |
| 03:11.14 | Sixen | Duman, gettix! |
| 03:11.27 | Duman | not loading |
| 03:12.11 | Duman | mother of jesus, PLEASE |
| 03:12.12 | End | (I wish I was kidding when I say that, but last week was bad, but we couldn't kill him until we got our pally buffs) |
| 03:12.51 | NightHawkTheSane | End: not a criticism, just curious, what class do you play when raiding? |
| 03:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | BAH |
| 03:12.59 | End | warlock. so I live or die by salv :P |
| 03:13.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Literally seven seconds short of a bear :( |
| 03:13.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 03:13.09 | End | well, not die, but it cripples my dps |
| 03:13.23 | kd3 | oh hell... 13m too late |
| 03:13.26 | Sixen | hurry kd3 |
| 03:13.28 | Sixen | get tix |
| 03:13.34 | Duman | OMG |
| 03:13.35 | Sixen | OMG I GOT THROUGH? =O. |
| 03:13.36 | Duman | LOADED |
| 03:13.37 | Duman | OMG |
| 03:13.38 | Sixen | YESSESYES |
| 03:13.39 | Sixen | GOGOG |
| 03:13.41 | kd3 | stop bitching about the xslt, firefox |
| 03:13.46 | Duman | go go checkout |
| 03:13.47 | End | actually, we might have had too many healers that night... |
| 03:14.00 | End | but also, the wrong ones... |
| 03:14.28 | Duman | omg |
| 03:14.29 | Sixen | Hurry Duman, :(. |
| 03:14.31 | Sixen | Kd3, you? |
| 03:14.33 | Duman | patience > reload |
| 03:14.34 | Sixen | That's a bad omg |
| 03:14.35 | Sixen | o_o |
| 03:14.38 | Duman | still waiting |
| 03:15.20 | Duman | pleaaaaaaseeeeeeee |
| 03:15.31 | kd3 | I'm clicking the add-to-cart button, but nothing |
| 03:15.43 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:15.48 | Sixen | gogo =[ |
| 03:15.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The one time when using IE might be beneficial |
| 03:15.50 | Duman | it's uberuberslow |
| 03:16.00 | Duman | yes, IE is the only one working for me |
| 03:16.01 | kd3 | ya know what, screw it |
| 03:16.03 | Duman | I had both taht and ff open |
| 03:16.25 | Sixen | =D |
| 03:16.47 | kd3 | the page cannot be displayed |
| 03:16.48 | kd3 | <3 |
| 03:16.52 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.52 | Duman | The system returned: |
| 03:16.52 | Duman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.53 | Duman | NO |
| 03:16.55 | Duman | NOOOOOOOOO |
| 03:16.55 | kd3 | sold out |
| 03:16.56 | Duman | NONONONON |
| 03:17.01 | kd3 | wtf |
| 03:17.14 | Sixen | wtf |
| 03:17.16 | Sixen | already? |
| 03:17.58 | Duman | fklja w;lefja0pjfasfdjasdf |
| 03:18.38 | Duman | this is so not fair |
| 03:20.16 | Sixen | :( |
| 03:21.34 | Duman | sigh |
| 03:21.44 | Duman | guess I have to pay the fucking scalpers |
| 03:21.45 | Duman | assholes |
| 03:22.57 | Sixen | Argh |
| 03:23.00 | Sixen | No way you're going to do that? |
| 03:23.12 | Sixen | well, there's that one on ebay for 900, :/ |
| 03:23.57 | Shirik | odd |
| 03:23.59 | Shirik | I have 2 health as a ghost |
| 03:24.02 | Shirik | I thought you were supposed to have 1 |
| 03:24.09 | Duman | Your cart is empty. |
| 03:24.21 | Duman | now my heart is empty, too |
| 03:24.49 | Duman | I was literally on the last step |
| 03:24.50 | Duman | AGAIN |
| 03:24.58 | Duman | when the site went connection refused |
| 03:26.02 | Sixen | :( |
| 03:26.15 | erikd | woohoo! got my tix |
| 03:26.40 | erikd | well, my cousin did |
| 03:26.41 | Duman | I hate you |
| 03:26.43 | erikd | i couldn't even load the site |
| 03:26.58 | Sixen | :( |
| 03:28.01 | Duman | I would be so pissed right now if blizzard's retarded checkout didn't spit back an error at me when it did, in fact, charge me... causing me to try more times, causing my CC company to reject ALL the charges |
| 03:28.13 | Duman | that just makes me so amazingly angry |
| 03:28.21 | Fisker- | HALP MEH |
| 03:28.40 | Aiiane | last i checked they were sold out of tickets anyways, no? |
| 03:28.58 | Nechckn | They had the last batch come up at the top of the hour |
| 03:29.09 | Nechckn | now they are sold out, sold out... |
| 03:29.52 | Sixen | Duman |
| 03:29.59 | Sixen | Think you could call your CC company and tell them to accept the charge? |
| 03:30.24 | Duman | they alerted me to it, actually |
| 03:30.26 | Duman | I talked to them |
| 03:30.34 | Duman | they can't go back and accept after rejecting |
| 03:30.47 | Sixen | :( |
| 03:31.01 | Duman | I odn't blame them, really... it's blizzard's fault really |
| 03:31.21 | Sixen | Honestly, wtf. |
| 03:31.56 | Sixen | Argh. I'll brb. |
| 03:34.55 | Duman | I need to vent before I kill someone |
| 03:35.10 | Lunessa | I'm out. I'll see you fine people later. |
| 03:35.25 | |Jelly| | BAI |
| 03:35.46 | erikd | i was really worried when i read at work today that they were all sold out and they just had one batch left (sorry for the delay, still raiding) |
| 03:35.59 | erikd | i've been chain refreshing the site for 2 days |
| 03:36.14 | Dewin | For what it's worth |
| 03:36.29 | Dewin | Blizzard's online store has been broken for me for... oh, since I reactivated a few months ago |
| 03:36.50 | Dewin | I had to go to another side to buy my BC key (and it was cheaper than Blizzard), and again for a friend when he wanted a new WoW account. |
| 03:36.55 | Dewin | So the whole Blizzcon ticket mess is no surprise. |
| 03:37.13 | Dewin | I'll go see them at PAX and be happy ;) |
| 03:47.47 | kd3 | how do I get to the princess in mara? I'm looking at her but can't figure out how to get up there |
| 03:48.54 | End | usually people use the sceptre |
| 03:49.12 | kd3 | I'm in the instance already |
| 03:49.15 | End | well |
| 03:49.17 | End | I have no idea |
| 03:49.23 | End | since I dunno where you entered from |
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| 03:49.42 | kd3 | I already killed rotgrip. in the lake below her |
| 03:49.55 | Kaso | then you did it wrong |
| 03:49.58 | End | usually you kill rotgrip after her |
| 03:49.59 | kd3 | ya |
| 03:50.22 | Kaso | if you swim out of rotgrips lake you should be able to work yourself back up iirc |
| 03:50.28 | End | I'd say you probably have to backtrack |
| 03:50.30 | Kaso | going via the goblin |
| 03:50.32 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, you gotta climb all the way back up... |
| 03:50.41 | kd3 | kuso |
| 03:50.59 | Neuro_Medivh | unless you have a rocket pack. Do you have a rocket pack? |
| 03:51.43 | Kaso | kuso? |
| 03:51.51 | kd3 | "shit!" |
| 03:52.39 | Neuro_Medivh | holy shit, this Michael Phelps guy must be part murloc or something |
| 03:52.52 | kd3 | ah, I see what I did wrong. bah |
| 03:53.16 | Neuro_Medivh | did you miss the left turn at Albequrque? |
| 03:53.38 | kd3 | pretty much |
| 03:53.40 | Kaso | I havent done the old world instances in so long. Maura, dire maul, brd/brs etc |
| 03:54.10 | Neuro_Medivh | thanks to beta, I have BRD burned into my brain |
| 03:54.38 | Kaso | brd was an under-rated instance |
| 03:54.50 | Kaso | the problem is that its two instances in one really |
| 03:55.05 | kd3 | yay. one more achievement done when I next copy over to beta |
| 03:56.04 | Neuro_Medivh | at 55, BRD was the crucible. You either learned your class, or wiped the group |
| 03:57.45 | kd3 | now if only ulda didn't require 3 people to summon the last boss... |
| 03:58.48 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: hmm, will the retroactive achievements thing work properly for those? |
| 03:59.12 | kd3 | yes. if there's a quest to kill the last boss, you get credit |
| 03:59.35 | kd3 | for pre-wrath raids, if you've got BoP loot in the bank from the last boss you'll get credit too |
| 03:59.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh |
| 03:59.42 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 03:59.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i wasnt sure if you were grabbing quests or just killing them |
| 03:59.54 | kd3 | yup. doing quests |
| 04:00.17 | kd3 | which also helps me get closer to the 3k quests achievement |
| 04:02.48 | ccox | Sigh, LK world server is down |
| 04:03.24 | ccox | was just eastern and northrend, now orgrimmar |
| 04:03.32 | ccox | hmm, DK area is up though |
| 04:03.40 | NightHawkTheSane | it's the apocalypse! |
| 04:03.50 | ccox | nah, just Oracle servers :-) |
| 04:04.04 | NightHawkTheSane | thats not nearly as dramatic, though |
| 04:04.31 | ccox | depends if you're the sysadmin, I guess |
| 04:04.59 | Duman | sigh |
| 04:05.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno.. 'oraclypse' just doesn't quite have the same ring to it |
| 04:09.38 | kd3 | rofl. blizz took away the interim ticket updates on blizzcon.com |
| 04:11.06 | ccox | .... and DK area just went down |
| 04:11.16 | ccox | guess the new servers are run by the same people as ticket sales |
| 04:11.42 | kd3 | 12 year olds summoning 400 ghouls probably doesn't help |
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| 04:12.40 | ccox | of course, this does make my edit-test-debug cycle just a wee bit longer... |
| 04:18.17 | Tekkub | so working on Cork rewrite.... should I give an option to buff pets, or just say fuckem? |
| 04:19.32 | Neuro_Medivh | damn, Tekkub, you're like the James Brown of the mod community |
| 04:19.40 | Tekkub | the who |
| 04:19.42 | Tekkub | ? |
| 04:19.44 | Hjalte | Pets are nice, but what do we give them? I have never played a hunter though. In the expansion though, I'd like to be able to check if my pet has all raid-buffs. |
| 04:19.45 | Neuro_Medivh | ? |
| 04:19.46 | Neuro_Medivh | ?? |
| 04:19.55 | ccox | I think he's too young for that reference |
| 04:20.01 | Neuro_Medivh | oh dear lord, don't tell me you don't know who the Hardest Working Man in Show Business is |
| 04:20.07 | Neuro_Medivh | or was |
| 04:20.28 | Tekkub | I don't know who lots of people are |
| 04:20.36 | Neuro_Medivh | did you ever see Blues Brothers? |
| 04:20.45 | Tekkub | bleh |
| 04:20.55 | End | I'm punching giraffes |
| 04:21.12 | Neuro_Medivh | is that like punching a grumpy? |
| 04:21.36 | End | sure, I guess |
| 04:21.47 | Tekkub | anyway, back to the question, should I just be lazy about buffing pets, or does it really matter? |
| 04:22.17 | Neuro_Medivh | anyway, Tekkup, James Brown was a soul singer, known as the Godfather of Soul, and also the Hardest Working Man in Show Business, which is why I was refering to you as him... you have like 200 mods and coding more |
| 04:22.20 | Hjalte | Tekkub: If Cork is not only self-buffs, then I'd say it matters. |
| 04:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It really depends on the buff |
| 04:22.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Pets are a pretty big part of hunter DPS and likewise buffs matter |
| 04:22.43 | Hjalte | Tekkub: In raids, if I am using a pet, it matters a lot of it has all the shiny buffs. |
| 04:23.13 | End | if I'm using a pet in a raid, I realize what I'm doing wrong, and I sacrifice it for a shiny buff |
| 04:23.19 | End | :( |
| 04:23.21 | Tekkub | okey, forget pally buff cause they'll be their own module |
| 04:23.39 | Hjalte | End: Go play expansion! Warlocks are cool there ^^ |
| 04:23.41 | Tekkub | fort, mark, int, shadprot, spi... all those group buffs |
| 04:23.42 | Neuro_Medivh | don't those buffs go on the pet anyway, if the owner gets it? |
| 04:23.50 | End | Hjalte: I am! |
| 04:23.57 | Hjalte | Neuro_Medivh: Not if its not summoned yet ;) |
| 04:23.58 | End | but I'm also punching giraffes on live at the same time |
| 04:24.02 | End | I like to multitask |
| 04:25.35 | Hjalte | Meh. Blizzard is like having those long scheduled maintenances in EU all the time now. I haven't seen a restart maintenance for weeks. |
| 04:25.39 | End | (yes, it's for the achievement) |
| 04:26.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 04:26.37 | NightHawkTheSane | why dont you punch servants of allistarsj |
| 04:26.38 | Tekkub | so aside from Might... are there any buffs for pets people give a shit about? |
| 04:26.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i spelled that wrong |
| 04:26.48 | End | because they're far away |
| 04:26.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: .. kings? salv? fort? mark? |
| 04:27.05 | Hjalte | Tekkub: All of them. The pet needs to stay alive :) |
| 04:27.11 | End | giraffes are..like in my backyard! |
| 04:27.41 | Tekkub | okey then I'll put in a toggle |
| 04:27.51 | Tekkub | locks care about int on theirs? |
| 04:28.02 | End | int is nice |
| 04:28.27 | NightHawkTheSane | and wisdom, i suppose |
| 04:28.51 | Hjalte | Tekkub: Yeah, int, spirit, wisdom too. |
| 04:29.18 | Tekkub | okey I guess I'll put in an option, joy |
| 04:29.23 | Tekkub | fucking raiders |
| 04:29.30 | End | wow, it takes me a long time to kill a giraffe |
| 04:30.35 | Kirov | End - I hate giraffe. |
| 04:30.41 | End | you would |
| 04:30.54 | NightHawkTheSane | im sure they hate you too. |
| 04:30.56 | End | would you hate them if you could tame them? |
| 04:31.03 | Kirov | During the beta, a friend of mine and I were playing two warriors and got our asses handed to us by a giraffe |
| 04:31.18 | Kirov | When we hit 24 we went on a giraffe hunt. |
| 04:31.22 | End | (do you still play a hunter?) |
| 04:31.38 | Kirov | Actually, I've been playing a mage for the last few months. |
| 04:31.42 | End | ah |
| 04:32.00 | End | the sounds stopped, I think I just finished killing zhevra |
| 04:32.14 | Kirov | Got annoyed by lesser geared mages out damaging my well geared hunter with out breaking a sweat... so I switched. |
| 04:32.39 | End | that must have been before that macro |
| 04:32.54 | End | all our hunters outdps our mages these days :P |
| 04:33.05 | Hjalte | This has nothing to do with wow, but it's great. A choir of women singing Radioheads "Creep": http://takingtigermountain.com/archives/113 |
| 04:33.06 | Kirov | Yeah, the hunters in my guild do too. |
| 04:33.16 | End | that's kinda funny though :P |
| 04:33.44 | Kirov | I played my hunter for 3 years, it was time for a change. |
| 04:34.11 | End | I understand that feeling |
| 04:34.20 | End | I used to play a druid, but I dont any longer |
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| 04:36.13 | Dashkal | northrend (server) boom or just eastern kingdoms? |
| 04:36.24 | NightHawkTheSane | just EK. |
| 04:37.00 | Dashkal | auth too |
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| 04:41.52 | Kirov | Iriel - So I figured out that weird performance issue I was having with the math vs. global version of a func |
| 04:42.10 | Iriel | You found the thing that was defining the global version? |
| 04:43.46 | Kirov | The global versions of all the trig functions work on degrees, the math versions work on radians. |
| 04:44.02 | Aiiane | o_O |
| 04:44.16 | Iriel | Yes |
| 04:44.19 | Iriel | But you were complaining about pow |
| 04:44.22 | Iriel | which doesn't use either |
| 04:44.26 | Kirov | I was doing a lot of different optimization checks, and I'd forgotten which func I'd nailed down to be the real issue. |
| 04:44.27 | Iriel | and doesn't have a global version |
| 04:44.31 | Iriel | ahhh.. 8-) |
| 04:44.36 | Iriel | Well, that'll teach ya |
| 04:44.43 | Iriel | I recommend seeing if you can string.dump the function |
| 04:44.50 | Iriel | if you can, it's in lua |
| 04:44.55 | Iriel | if you can't it's PROBABLY not |
| 04:45.15 | Duman | iriel, you going to blizzcon? |
| 04:45.24 | Hjalte | Tekkub: Is Github down? |
| 04:45.33 | Tekkub | seems it |
| 04:45.37 | Tekkub | 3rd time today |
| 04:45.47 | Tekkub | they're getting pissed too :) |
| 04:46.00 | Kirov | Both math.cos and cos return string values |
| 04:46.13 | Iriel | Duman: I believe so. 8-) |
| 04:46.23 | Iriel | Kirov: yeah, they're defined in what used to be compat.lua |
| 04:46.49 | Esamynn | so, anyone more manage to get tickets in the last wave? |
| 04:46.50 | Iriel | Exactly as you'd expect too math.sin(rad(angle)) |
| 04:47.17 | Kirov | That was my next question, because yeah, it performs the same as that. Heh. |
| 04:47.47 | Kirov | well |
| 04:48.14 | Kirov | good thing I'm happy using radians. |
| 04:49.44 | Kirov | One of the things I ran across yesterday was an old argument I had with a coworker (who happened to fancy himself the lead gameplay programer ... even though he wasn't) |
| 04:49.55 | Kirov | Good programer, massive ego == fired |
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| 04:50.56 | Kirov | Anyways, in some code of mine I'd made a local of a 4 deep table value which got used twice in the code after it. He thought I was nuts and changed it telling me that defining a local was way slower than checking a table value. |
| 04:50.56 | cog|away | ~hug anyone who couldn't get tix |
| 04:50.57 | purl | ACTION hugs anyone who couldn't get tix |
| 04:52.24 | Kirov | Making a local of a one deep table value and checking that twice vs. checking the table value twice is almost twice as fast. (like 80% faster) |
| 04:53.27 | Kirov | I actually really loath some of the game code we have. self.__self.parent.__self.__entity.__self.properties:GetValue() |
| 04:53.58 | Duman | cog :-( |
| 04:54.18 | Adys | Could someone explain me what's wrong in there? |
| 04:54.21 | Adys | lua> data = {"test", "foo", "bar"}; for k,v in data do print(k) end |
| 04:54.21 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: attempt to call a table value |
| 04:54.28 | cog|away | we should have a bay area modder meetup some time... |
| 04:54.44 | Kirov | Adys - pairs() |
| 04:54.48 | Adys | ah doh |
| 04:54.49 | Adys | thanks |
| 04:56.31 | Kirov | cog|away - How many people are actually in the area? |
| 04:56.48 | Kirov | I know myself and Iriel. |
| 04:56.54 | cog|away | me, duman |
| 04:57.00 | Shirik | "bay area"? |
| 04:57.04 | Cairenn | SF |
| 04:57.05 | cog|away | SF |
| 04:57.07 | Shirik | stupid cali people |
| 04:57.10 | Kirov | San Francisco |
| 04:57.12 | Shirik | Come to florida, where the cool people play |
| 04:57.19 | Kirov | Shirik - fuck florida |
| 04:57.22 | Shirik | :< |
| 04:57.28 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously |
| 04:57.28 | Cairenn | Come to Canada, where the cold people play |
| 04:57.30 | cog|away | that's what it's there fore |
| 04:57.33 | cog|away | s/fore/for/ |
| 04:57.39 | erikd | wisconsin's where it's at |
| 04:57.49 | Sargeras | so cal > all |
| 04:57.49 | Tekkub | canada >>>>>>>>> FL |
| 04:57.53 | Sixen | So what happened? |
| 04:57.57 | Sargeras | we have Disneyland! |
| 04:58.22 | cog|away | Cairenn: next winter remind me to send you some fresh strawberries ;) |
| 04:58.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.31 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 04:58.35 | Kirov | Florida has Disneyworld. |
| 04:58.35 | Kirov | Florida 1. California 10^8billion |
| 04:58.36 | Iriel | cog|away: I think they'd get damaged from freezing |
| 04:58.38 | Shirik | 75 degrees |
| 04:58.41 | Shirik | how can you get any better than that |
| 04:58.55 | cog|away | Shirik: 72 > 75 imo |
| 04:59.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: by dropping about 5 degrees |
| 04:59.01 | Shirik | lua> 72>75 |
| 04:59.02 | lua_bot | Shirik: false |
| 04:59.15 | cog|away | hence "imo" |
| 04:59.17 | Iriel | ~weather kccr |
| 04:59.25 | Yssaril | Tekkub: can git update $Rev: 79116 $ tags? |
| 04:59.27 | cog|away | ~weather ksts |
| 04:59.37 | Cairenn | oy, stop it you guys |
| 04:59.56 | Cairenn | go wave your weather epeens around somewhere else :p |
| 04:59.58 | Shirik | Yssaril: Who uses $Rev$ psh |
| 05:00.01 | Shirik | $Id$ ! |
| 05:00.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ~weat... argh I can't recall my airport code :P |
| 05:00.04 | Kirov | Daytona Beach, currently 75 degrees... forecast for the next 5 days? Thunderstorms and 88 degrees. |
| 05:00.28 | Shirik | Kirov: But we always get the storms at the same time |
| 05:00.30 | Shirik | you can always guess it |
| 05:00.31 | Kirov | Florida is the only place I've been to where it was 105 degrees and raining. |
| 05:00.36 | Shirik | 4 o'clock every day |
| 05:00.40 | Shirik | well, 3-4 |
| 05:00.55 | Iriel | ~weather 95Z |
| 05:00.56 | Kirov | Shirik - I know. I lived in Ft Lauderdale for 2 years. |
| 05:01.05 | Shirik | so you know how awesome it is! |
| 05:01.19 | Shirik | Silly Iriel and his IANA codes |
| 05:01.33 | Tekkub | Yssaril, no, but it doesn't really have the same meaning anyway |
| 05:01.37 | Shirik | er, not IANA |
| 05:01.38 | Shirik | rofl |
| 05:02.00 | Shirik | IATA* |
| 05:02.01 | Shirik | gah |
| 05:02.10 | cog|away | ~POKE shirik |
| 05:02.11 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind shirik, pokes shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 05:02.11 | Kirov | Shirik - I know how awesome running the 10 feet from my air conditioned car to my air conditioned apartment and in that distance needing a shower from sweating so much and being eaten alive by mosquitos. |
| 05:02.17 | Kirov | Yes. Awesome. |
| 05:02.21 | Yssaril | Tekkub: k thought so |
| 05:02.42 | Shirik | Kirov: My AC actually isn't working right now :( |
| 05:02.49 | cog|away | Kirov: Texas was like that when i went there in February |
| 05:04.09 | Kirov | I think the favorite thing I ever heard someone say in Florida was something my german next door neighbor said. |
| 05:04.34 | Kirov | For 9 months of the year in florida it's 85+ degrees and 110% humidity. |
| 05:04.43 | Kirov | For 1 month it's between 80 and 70. |
| 05:05.52 | Kirov | One day I was going out and my neighbor was outside in the 72 degree weather with a big smile. He said, "This, this is why I love florida." I turned to him and said, "Have you been to anywhere else in the US?" He said, "No, why?" "Because it's like this 12 months out of the year in california." |
| 05:06.42 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but you have to live in a shack in order to afford the rent |
| 05:06.58 | cog|away | Neuro_Medivh: not since the housing crash |
| 05:07.10 | End | assuming you have the cash |
| 05:07.17 | Kirov | Neuro_Medivh - True. My rent doubled in moving from florida, and I had half the space. |
| 05:07.29 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, lemme ask you: How much would a 4 bedroom 2000 sq foot home cost in Cali? |
| 05:07.31 | Kirov | but meh. At least I can go outside. |
| 05:08.03 | Kirov | Neuro_Medivh - Depends on the location, but somewhere between $3 million and $100k |
| 05:08.05 | cog|away | i'm sure it's still more than where you're from :P |
| 05:08.10 | Neuro_Medivh | in a decent neighborhood |
| 05:08.29 | Iriel | Seriously, the city is VERY important for pricing |
| 05:08.31 | Kirov | Neuro_Medivh - It all comes down to the exact location. |
| 05:08.33 | cog|away | we got a 3 br, 2.5 ba, 1400 sq foot home for 289 |
| 05:08.46 | cog|away | k |
| 05:08.50 | Neuro_Medivh | hmm, that'd prolly be 110k here |
| 05:08.52 | End | cog|away: where do you live? |
| 05:09.00 | Neuro_Medivh | maybe a little more |
| 05:09.00 | End | I mean, where in cali? |
| 05:09.15 | cog|away | ;) |
| 05:09.22 | Iriel | Ours was about twice that, 3br 3ba 2100 sqft |
| 05:09.25 | Kirov | There are places about half an hour away from San Francisco that are like $150k for 2000+ sq feet, and in decent areas. |
| 05:09.30 | Neuro_Medivh | hey, my ground doesn't shake and my home isn't surrounded by wildfire every year =) |
| 05:09.34 | End | bah, that's a few hundred lines up :P |
| 05:09.37 | Iriel | Kirov: I think you have to widen that net |
| 05:09.42 | cog|away | santa rosa |
| 05:09.51 | cog|away | Iriel: depends on traffic ;) |
| 05:09.55 | End | ok, just curious :P |
| 05:09.56 | Kirov | Iriel - what cog said |
| 05:10.03 | cog|away | at 2am i agree with Kirov >< |
| 05:10.07 | Kirov | Iriel - those drive times change to 2-3 hours. |
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| 05:10.22 | Sixen | So who's going to BlizzCon? |
| 05:10.27 | Xuerian | Hooray Virginia |
| 05:10.54 | cog|away | End: though i could drive 10 minutes and find an equivalent house in a similar neighborhood for ~600k+ |
| 05:11.05 | End | ouch |
| 05:11.08 | Sixen | Coggy, you going? |
| 05:11.10 | cog|away | california is EXTREMELY variable |
| 05:11.15 | End | so it really varies a lot |
| 05:11.17 | cog|away | Sixen: yep |
| 05:11.19 | Sixen | =] |
| 05:11.42 | Sixen | =] |
| 05:11.44 | Cairenn | I *think* I'm going |
| 05:11.47 | End | haha |
| 05:11.56 | End | you could probably pull some strings if you had to though ;-p |
| 05:11.56 | Kirov | End - on a single block in San Francisco a house could go for $500k to $2million depending on if it's at the corner or at the middle of the street. |
| 05:12.06 | End | wow |
| 05:12.10 | Xuerian | Cairenn: I can't imagine you NOT going |
| 05:12.14 | End | now that's a bit of variation :P |
| 05:12.23 | Kirov | Same house size. |
| 05:12.29 | Cairenn | Xuerian: well, let's just say that I don't actually have a *confirmed* ticket yet |
| 05:12.30 | Kirov | Identical layout. |
| 05:12.36 | Kirov | "location" |
| 05:12.38 | Neuro_Medivh | well, in Plano, TX (the most affluent city in the country, based on avg income) a 4br, 2.5 bath 3000 sq foot house in an upscale neighborhood built in 1999 goes for $289k |
| 05:12.45 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Let me rephrase; I can't see blizz NOT giving you a complimentary ticket |
| 05:12.56 | Cairenn | Xuerian: :) |
| 05:13.04 | Kirov | Neuro_Medivh - but then you have to live in Texas. |
| 05:13.09 | Kirov | ;) |
| 05:13.11 | Neuro_Medivh | Texas rocks |
| 05:13.26 | Cairenn | as long as I still get the expected press pass, yes, I'll be there |
| 05:13.28 | Kirov | The three big cities, sure. |
| 05:13.28 | Neuro_Medivh | Great BBQ, Chili, Mexican food |
| 05:13.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Plano is in Dallas basically |
| 05:13.47 | NightHawkTheSane | but.. you'd be living.. in TEXAS. |
| 05:13.50 | Cairenn | but given how fast they sold out, have to wonder if they may not re-think those press passes for fansites ;) |
| 05:14.00 | Neuro_Medivh | tech capital of north texas |
| 05:14.25 | End | I doubt they'd rethink it, it's practically certain good publicity |
| 05:14.28 | Xuerian | Cairenn: I'd say the fansite attendees are more valuable then a ticket for blizz |
| 05:14.30 | Xuerian | ^^ |
| 05:14.33 | Xuerian | see End's comment |
| 05:14.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: eh, i doubt they would. it'd be a fairly small number of tickets, and yeah.. good publicity |
| 05:14.36 | Kirov | The thing that gets me about Texas is all of their fast food places are texas themed. |
| 05:14.50 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, um, not really |
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| 05:15.02 | Kirov | And I'm not talking about Dan's Texas Burgers, I'm talking about Carl's Jr. |
| 05:15.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: the thing about living in texas is.. it's freaking texas. |
| 05:15.13 | Neuro_Medivh | we don't have Carl Jrs here |
| 05:15.23 | Neuro_Medivh | we have Whataburger, which is good stuff |
| 05:15.28 | Kirov | Neuro_Medivh - yes you do, they're just not called Carl's Jr |
| 05:15.55 | Kirov | Hardee's == Carl's Jr |
| 05:16.07 | Neuro_Medivh | we have very few hardee's here either |
| 05:16.15 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't know of one in Dallas |
| 05:16.40 | Neuro_Medivh | but there's lots of BK and Jack in the Box and Mickey D's and Chik-fil-a |
| 05:16.41 | Kirov | That's Dallas. |
| 05:17.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I lived in Houston for over 20 years, no Hardee's there either |
| 05:17.14 | Neuro_Medivh | but you DO have Taco Cabana! |
| 05:17.15 | Kirov | The first place I saw when entering Texas from the east was a Hardee's where every thing on the menu was a "Texas something Burger" |
| 05:17.28 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, well, that's a tourist place then |
| 05:17.39 | Kirov | Probably. |
| 05:17.57 | Xuerian | Hardee's .... om nom nom |
| 05:18.01 | Kirov | I think we saw around 100 subway / gas stations though |
| 05:18.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Texas is like anywhere else, except that the mexican food is so much better |
| 05:18.12 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: I hate you |
| 05:18.18 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry, it is |
| 05:18.23 | Xuerian | I'm stuck with taco hell.. |
| 05:18.24 | Kirov | One town we stopped in was 6 houses, a gas station, and a subway. |
| 05:18.26 | Xuerian | I mean I eat it sure |
| 05:18.27 | Xuerian | But still |
| 05:18.31 | Kirov | Nothing else for 50 miles. |
| 05:18.41 | Neuro_Medivh | San Antonio is the center of the Tex-Mex world |
| 05:19.12 | Kirov | Neuro_Medivh - Being a southern california boy, I have a very different take on what mexican food is. |
| 05:19.27 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, you think a taco has fish in it =) |
| 05:19.48 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm not big on Baja mexican, personally |
| 05:19.52 | Kirov | Neuro_Medivh - I actually don't eat fish tacos |
| 05:19.57 | Neuro_Medivh | good man |
| 05:20.07 | Kirov | My fiancee and father love them though. |
| 05:20.08 | Kirov | heh |
| 05:20.20 | |pez| | ... fish tacos? |
| 05:20.27 | Neuro_Medivh | I'll be honest, southern cali mexican is more authentic than Tex-Mex |
| 05:20.29 | |pez| | Can I add how horribly sad the thought of that makes me? |
| 05:20.35 | Cairenn | fish tacos? |
| 05:20.38 | Cairenn | ewww |
| 05:20.39 | |pez| | yeah |
| 05:20.39 | Neuro_Medivh | but Tex-Mex is delicious |
| 05:20.50 | |pez| | Sounds horrible. |
| 05:21.04 | Kirov | When people think of fish tacos they think of taco bell taco shells with some random fish in it. |
| 05:21.06 | Kirov | They're not. |
| 05:21.16 | Neuro_Medivh | they're soft tacos |
| 05:21.22 | Kirov | They're soft tacos with seasoned fish and lettuce. |
| 05:21.25 | Neuro_Medivh | with grilled fish, onions, etc |
| 05:21.28 | Kirov | usually no cheese |
| 05:21.35 | |pez| | like.. wrap stuff? |
| 05:21.39 | |pez| | fajitas... |
| 05:21.43 | Kirov | More akin to a wrap, yese. |
| 05:21.55 | Neuro_Medivh | fajitas are more Tex-Mex |
| 05:22.02 | |pez| | they serve salmonwrap at McDonalds here. |
| 05:22.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: haha, I just saw the wowkon post. I'm kinda sad (but not the least bit surprised) that they haven't copied one of mine |
| 05:22.25 | Neuro_Medivh | unfortunately, there's some downside... there's not a lot of good Italian places in Texas |
| 05:22.36 | Kirov | Something to note. Hard shell tacos, burritos, and fajitas ... those are all mainly american born "mexican" food. |
| 05:23.02 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: You're not the only one |
| 05:23.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Kirov, that's tex-mex. most of what people think of as "mexican" is actually tex-mex |
| 05:23.05 | Xuerian | I raised that issue last night |
| 05:23.07 | Kirov | In southern mexico, most people have never heard of any of those. |
| 05:23.19 | Cairenn | I don't like [what most of the US and Canada call] mexican food - I'd love to try the real stuff some day though |
| 05:23.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Xuerian: this is amazingly hypocritical of me, but I'd love to send a DMCA to those guys. |
| 05:23.33 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: I know -_- |
| 05:23.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Cairenn, come to Texas some time, you'll get the good stuff |
| 05:23.37 | Kirov | Mexican food is a lot more about mole, and pulled meats. |
| 05:24.05 | Neuro_Medivh | you know what's really exploding around here, and I wanna try? Churrascaro(sp) houses |
| 05:24.05 | batbot | Neuro_Medivh, nothing found. |
| 05:24.22 | Cairenn | Neuro_Medivh: I enjoyed some of what I had when I was in San Antonio |
| 05:24.29 | Cairenn | but not all of it |
| 05:24.41 | Kirov | One of my coworkers grew up in Mexico. He was lamenting one time about how his favorite dish was actually illegal to serve in the US. |
| 05:24.51 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, roast dog? |
| 05:24.58 | Sixen | That's China, Neuro. |
| 05:25.00 | Kirov | No, slow roasted pork. |
| 05:25.14 | Neuro_Medivh | long pig? |
| 05:25.50 | Kirov | You dig a hole in the dirt. Toss in some stones that you've heated on the fire. Toss in a pig. Cover with more stones, cover with dirt. Let it sit for a couple days. |
| 05:25.55 | |pez| | Oh ffs, I need to get someone to look at my back one day 0.o |
| 05:26.07 | End | wow, the reef bulls are small compared to the cows |
| 05:26.17 | |pez| | If the pig is dead... I don't see a problem with that 0.o |
| 05:26.33 | Cairenn | the worry would be about food poisoning |
| 05:26.37 | Neuro_Medivh | probably not cooked thoroughly enough |
| 05:26.48 | Cairenn | concern that it isn't cooked at a high enough heat |
| 05:27.03 | Cairenn | (I would think) |
| 05:27.05 | End | yeah, that would make sense...parasites in particular |
| 05:27.06 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, according to Alton, gotta get it to an internal temp of 160+ |
| 05:27.11 | Kirov | It's more the issue of it being left out in the dirt for days. |
| 05:27.14 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 05:27.38 | Kirov | It's basically a make shift oven though. |
| 05:27.39 | |pez| | it sort of sounds like what we do with some fish here. |
| 05:27.44 | Kirov | Super hot rocks + enclosed area. |
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| 05:27.56 | Cairenn | oh that's crap, some of the best food I've had has been cooked right in the campfire |
| 05:28.28 | Cairenn | potatoes, fish, onions, wrap in tinfoil, stick in the fire |
| 05:28.30 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm so glad I ate recently, or I'd be starving =) |
| 05:28.39 | End | I'm starving :-/ |
| 05:28.39 | Neuro_Medivh | from all this food talk |
| 05:28.46 | End | well, not literally |
| 05:28.51 | |pez| | I ate a bowl of cornflakes. .P |
| 05:28.52 | Neuro_Medivh | had me a muffaletta from Jason's Deli |
| 05:28.52 | |pez| | :P |
| 05:28.53 | Kirov | The issue with it being served, and why it's illegal in the US, is it's not made in a controlled, clean environment. |
| 05:29.08 | |pez| | controlled clean enviroments are overrated. |
| 05:29.13 | Cairenn | apples cored with butter & cinnamon in the middle, wrap in foil, stick in coals of fire after taking out fish |
| 05:29.24 | Zurik | Cairenn so did you see that movie i was telling you about the other day ( like a month ago ) haha. |
| 05:29.25 | Kirov | Technically, if you bought a bunch of sand, had some clean rocks, and a big cauldron in the middle of your kitchen you could make it. |
| 05:29.26 | Cairenn | yum |
| 05:29.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: stop, just stop |
| 05:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 05:29.30 | Sixen | LOL |
| 05:29.33 | Sixen | I just heard this |
| 05:29.34 | Sixen | Oh man.. |
| 05:29.41 | Cairenn | Zurik: which movie? |
| 05:29.43 | Duman | hmm |
| 05:29.47 | Sixen | Everyone trying to buy BlizzCon tickets and failed got "Blizz Conned" |
| 05:29.48 | Sixen | :( |
| 05:29.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:29.59 | Duman | hah |
| 05:30.02 | Sixen | I failed miserably. |
| 05:30.03 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: sorry luv |
| 05:30.05 | Kirov | The second issue is of course the sitting around warm for several days vs. in a "controlled environment" like a freezer. |
| 05:30.10 | Zurik | Blueberry Nights i think was the name of it. |
| 05:30.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: that sounds SO INCREDIBLY GOOD RIGHT NOW. |
| 05:30.12 | Sixen | <3 |
| 05:30.18 | Kirov | I mean, most steak houses the meat you eat is weeks old. |
| 05:30.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: did you get tickets? |
| 05:30.21 | Neuro_Medivh | sounds like smurf porn, Zurik |
| 05:30.28 | Zurik | haha.. |
| 05:30.31 | Duman | nope :( http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765744652&sid=2000 |
| 05:30.33 | Sixen | So Duman, what're you going to do? :/ |
| 05:30.36 | Cairenn | what can I say, I was a GG leader for a lot of years, taught many a girl how to make a very yummy supper without a single dish |
| 05:30.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: ouch, sorry :( |
| 05:30.39 | Zurik | smurf porn rox! |
| 05:30.48 | Duman | well, I'll wait a little to see if they happen to "release" more... |
| 05:30.57 | Neuro_Medivh | GG? |
| 05:30.58 | Duman | otherwise I found a friend that purchased one extra |
| 05:31.06 | Neuro_Medivh | Girl Guide? |
| 05:31.07 | Duman | so I'll buy her spare :) |
| 05:31.07 | Cairenn | Girl Guides (think Girl Scouts) |
| 05:31.11 | Neuro_Medivh | gotcha |
| 05:31.16 | Zurik | heh |
| 05:31.28 | Sixen | There's gotta be some somewhere.. |
| 05:31.36 | Sixen | Fansites got some for contests and stuff |
| 05:31.41 | End | oh yeah cairenn is one of those canada people |
| 05:31.48 | End | :P |
| 05:31.50 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, Cairenn, see if you can't get some for "contests" |
| 05:31.53 | |pez| | Ok, that's the 3rd time my back locks up this morning. >__> |
| 05:32.08 | Kirov | Cairenn - but apparently with campfire cooked food instead of factory made cookies. |
| 05:32.10 | Cairenn | we may or may not have some coming, waiting to hear |
| 05:32.32 | Sixen | "Potential Idea for Blizzcon '09: Only have five tickets available, hidden in candy bars " |
| 05:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:32.47 | Sixen | Mike Morhaime and the BlizzCon Factory. |
| 05:32.52 | ScytheBlade1 | like wow, Sixen, that'd be... can you imagine the candy bars that would sell? |
| 05:32.54 | Kirov | "I have a blue foil ticket, I have a blue foil ticket ..." |
| 05:32.57 | Nechckn | Contests.... ha.. just did the reload Blizz's faux sales site contest earlier and failed. |
| 05:32.57 | Sixen | lol |
| 05:33.46 | Kirov | Now there's a question. What candy bar would Blizzard endorse? |
| 05:33.52 | Neuro_Medivh | Achievement Unlocked: [Purchase Blizzcon Ticket!] |
| 05:34.06 | Nechckn | Klondike bar! for wotlk |
| 05:34.10 | End | haha |
| 05:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:34.15 | Nechckn | Polar bear and everything |
| 05:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | fitting |
| 05:34.22 | Kirov | nice |
| 05:34.41 | End | hm, the raise dead bug I reported went away |
| 05:34.46 | Corrodias | what would you do for a klondike bar? would you murder an entire convention center of geeks in search of a blue foil? |
| 05:34.55 | End | I can't randomly summon ghouls anymore :( |
| 05:35.11 | Neuro_Medivh | 'murder' is such an ugly word |
| 05:35.19 | Sixen | (10:34:01 PM) Neuro_Medivh: Achievement Unlocked: [Purchase Blizzcon Ticket!] |
| 05:35.20 | Sixen | lol |
| 05:35.44 | Neuro_Medivh | 'deactivate life functions' sounds much more neutral |
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| 05:36.16 | Kirov | I'll help them all move on to a better place. |
| 05:36.31 | Kirov | A place away from people with pointy things to stab them with. |
| 05:36.32 | Corrodias | would you unlock the mass life function deactivation deactivation acheivement? |
| 05:36.34 | Kirov | like me! |
| 05:36.42 | Corrodias | repetitive repetition |
| 05:36.58 | Neuro_Medivh | "look at me! I'm roleplaying my new Death Knight!" |
| 05:37.13 | Kirov | Corrodias - I think that's the "Koolaid" acheivement. |
| 05:37.15 | Corrodias | my mind is worn out. i've been reviewing images for too many hours now. |
| 05:37.55 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, if you haven't tried it out yet, make a DK and run the newbie zone... I'm astounded at the technical achievements |
| 05:38.21 | Corrodias | i close my eyes and i -still see it- |
| 05:39.00 | Neuro_Medivh | I had that problem with goatse *shudder* |
| 05:39.02 | Kirov | Neuro_Medivh - the technical achievement of having 5000 players in a single zone with out crashing the server? |
| 05:39.21 | Neuro_Medivh | No, the technical achievement of having an individually dynamic zone |
| 05:39.34 | Kirov | Neuro_Medivh - that's one they'll have to deal with come release. |
| 05:39.55 | Kirov | I haven't played the beta yet, nor do I plan to until the game actually comes out. |
| 05:40.00 | Corrodias | individually dynamic? |
| 05:40.01 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, the way they have it set up, it does that |
| 05:40.07 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes, corrodias |
| 05:40.21 | Corrodias | what does that mean? it changes on the basis of single parts instead of a whole? |
| 05:40.22 | End | it just teleports you between zones from what it looks like |
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| 05:40.51 | End | however they did it though, it's well done |
| 05:41.32 | NightHawkTheSane | End: that's almost certainly it |
| 05:41.39 | Neuro_Medivh | Corrodias, the zone changes based on the quests you have completed. Once you complete one questline, for example, the first village becomes Scourge territory |
| 05:41.46 | NightHawkTheSane | it's essentially multiple instances, that you're ported between |
| 05:41.47 | Neuro_Medivh | Nah, it's based on the client |
| 05:41.52 | Neuro_Medivh | nope, same instance |
| 05:42.00 | Corrodias | well that's... strange |
| 05:42.12 | Neuro_Medivh | the client simply has different phases. You can't see other people when you aren't in the same phase |
| 05:42.16 | Corrodias | so people will be walking around seeing different architecture? |
| 05:42.17 | Corrodias | oh |
| 05:42.19 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
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| 05:42.35 | Neuro_Medivh | well, architecture is the same, just skinned differently, with different mobs |
| 05:42.41 | Corrodias | they won't see each other, though. unable to interact until you are at the same point in a quest chain. |
| 05:42.46 | Neuro_Medivh | right |
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| 05:42.56 | Corrodias | well... it's a new idea, i'll give it that |
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| 05:43.07 | Neuro_Medivh | I had a guy trying to find me and couldn't see me cause he was behind me in quest progression |
| 05:43.19 | Sixen | Duman, worst comes to worst, http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/dtv/ |
| 05:43.20 | Corrodias | what a loser! |
| 05:43.38 | End | could he find you in ebon hold? |
| 05:43.40 | Neuro_Medivh | it has the advantage of keeping the number of players on screen down, as only those people in your approximate advancement are visible |
| 05:43.43 | NightHawkTheSane | it's almost certainly not the exact same location being used for each "section" |
| 05:43.54 | End | I'm pretty sure it's just got 3 copies of the same area |
| 05:43.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 05:43.59 | Neuro_Medivh | same /loc, then |
| 05:44.09 | Neuro_Medivh | and the minimap shows the same people, and there's no zone changes |
| 05:44.10 | End | plus a fourth for everybody who isn't a deathknight |
| 05:44.24 | Neuro_Medivh | everyone is a death knight |
| 05:44.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm... does the DTV stream mean that they won't have the free online streams too? |
| 05:44.29 | Neuro_Medivh | the newbie area is instanced |
| 05:44.38 | NightHawkTheSane | End: well, the "non-dk" version would be the outdoor world, i assume :P |
| 05:44.39 | End | we're not doubting that |
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| 05:44.45 | End | NightHawkTheSane: well yeah |
| 05:44.50 | End | that's the uninstanced copy :P |
| 05:44.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 05:45.03 | Thunder_Child | ...i come home, sit down, type somthing and get DC'd |
| 05:45.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: let that be a lesson to you |
| 05:45.22 | Neuro_Medivh | TC, you were Dced long ago |
| 05:45.31 | Neuro_Medivh | it just didn't give you a message till you tried to do something |
| 05:45.32 | Tekkub | I wonder how far out of the zone you can run in the instance |
| 05:45.33 | NightHawkTheSane | and the "starting experience" is either a single instance with multiple locations (a la, SM), or multiple instances. |
| 05:45.48 | End | it's not multiple instances, since there's no load screen |
| 05:45.53 | Thunder_Child | well i saw everything up tiill 22:44:22 |
| 05:46.00 | Thunder_Child | 22:44.29 End: I'm pretty sure it's just got 3 copies of the same area |
| 05:46.00 | Thunder_Child | 22:44.32 NightHawkTheSane: ^^ |
| 05:46.03 | NightHawkTheSane | End: yeah, i realized that as i said it the first time. |
| 05:46.04 | Neuro_Medivh | Nighthawk, I disagree. I think it's the same instance, just the client dynamically hides/alters the game |
| 05:46.07 | End | they sneak in "oh, I'll TELEPORT you, so you don't have to fly back up" |
| 05:46.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: i -really- disagree there. |
| 05:46.22 | Tekkub | people dissappear as if they've zoned when they turn in the quest |
| 05:46.22 | End | but of course, they teleport you somewhere completely different than what you think :P |
| 05:46.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: it's FAR less work to port people between locations/instances than it is to dynamically hide and show them :P |
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| 05:46.49 | Neuro_Medivh | End, except you don't. There's only one teleport function, and you don't use it between phases |
| 05:46.54 | Thunder_Child | ..... |
| 05:46.55 | Tekkub | and if you hearth within the same zone you don't get a load screen |
| 05:46.59 | End | only one teleport function? |
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| 05:47.03 | Tekkub | same continent even I think |
| 05:47.09 | Neuro_Medivh | there's only one place where you teleport |
| 05:47.12 | Neuro_Medivh | at all |
| 05:47.21 | Neuro_Medivh | between upper and lower Ebon Hold |
| 05:47.24 | NightHawkTheSane | well, the hearth is a special "scourgestone", which probably does some fancy m agic behind the scenes :P |
| 05:47.34 | Tekkub | no, you deathgate back for the second transition |
| 05:47.38 | End | one of the quest completions specifically teleports you from below to ebon hold |
| 05:47.46 | End | er, from the ground to ebon hold I mean |
| 05:47.49 | Neuro_Medivh | Tekkub, except I've done it without using the gate |
| 05:48.02 | Neuro_Medivh | I ran back ebcause I wanted to farm more skulls, then flew up |
| 05:48.04 | Tekkub | the first transition happens up in the hold when you turn in a fedex quest |
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| 05:48.18 | Tekkub | yea I don't think the gate transitions you |
| 05:48.28 | Tekkub | was just saying, there is that one port there |
| 05:48.45 | Neuro_Medivh | except it's not a port, mograine is on the same level as the flight |
| 05:48.53 | Neuro_Medivh | so you can do it without porting |
| 05:49.18 | Tekkub | yea, I've WATCHED people truning in that part, they fade out like they were ported soemwhere else |
| 05:49.25 | Tekkub | and then fade in when you turn in |
| 05:49.32 | End | They did a good job of hiding it, but from a technical standpoint, it's easier just to copy and paste :P (they already do it for instance entrances) |
| 05:49.44 | Neuro_Medivh | Tek, I agree, but I don't think it's an in-game teleport, I think it's literally the client hiding them |
| 05:49.45 | End | than to implement a visibility system that is |
| 05:49.59 | Neuro_Medivh | End, the /locs are the same though |
| 05:50.03 | End | so? |
| 05:50.09 | End | look at silvermoon |
| 05:50.15 | End | locs don't mean much |
| 05:50.17 | Tekkub | so you think there's three layers (maybe 4) all on top of the same area |
| 05:50.28 | Tekkub | ala the phased place in blade's edge? |
| 05:50.40 | Neuro_Medivh | THAT might be possible |
| 05:50.51 | Hjalte | They already have a visibility system ingame, like when the pirate ship docks in Northrend and a bordwalk spawns. I don't think that's client-side though. |
| 05:50.52 | Neuro_Medivh | how can I check z loc? |
| 05:51.07 | End | you can't |
| 05:51.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: the area in BEM is much much simpler in design. |
| 05:51.17 | Neuro_Medivh | I still think it's a visibility thing |
| 05:51.19 | End | not without hacking the client that is :P |
| 05:51.29 | End | well, someone go find a map viewer :P |
| 05:51.41 | Corrodias | wait, what phased section of BEM? |
| 05:51.49 | End | Corrodias: for the daily |
| 05:51.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: i assume he means for the sunwell daily |
| 05:51.58 | Tekkub | it may well be, cause when the party member transitions, they stay on the minimap |
| 05:51.59 | Corrodias | oh, sunwell, never mind |
| 05:52.56 | Tekkub | and there's the cauldren, it is invisible till you turn in, but you can see others turn it in |
| 05:53.02 | Tekkub | My task is done! |
| 05:53.06 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, Tekkub, y ou've done the DK bits in a party yeah? how did the map blips respond when one person changed phases? |
| 05:53.15 | End | that's a good point |
| 05:53.23 | NightHawkTheSane | cauldron? |
| 05:53.26 | Tekkub | the map is normal, you can see em move |
| 05:54.27 | ScytheBlade1 | something tells me that it isn't three different zones - rather it functions like invisibility. They apply one hidden (de)buff to start, and you can only see matching objects/NPCs/etc. Rinse repeat to add different layers, only with a different (de)buff |
| 05:54.45 | Tekkub | more thoughts... I'm in the second phase right now... went out to light's hope |
| 05:54.59 | Tekkub | no NPCs at all, but there are player skeles here |
| 05:55.00 | End | what do you see? |
| 05:55.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd use existing stuff that they have in-game, and be simple enough to do |
| 05:55.04 | End | ah |
| 05:55.12 | End | could be switching invisibility |
| 05:55.15 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 05:55.19 | NightHawkTheSane | that would seem like it then |
| 05:56.06 | End | I grew suspicious when the npc teleported me back to ebon hold, and when I got back, everything was different :P |
| 05:56.08 | Tekkub | aw, there's an invisible wall in EPL |
| 05:56.21 | End | well, that I expected |
| 05:56.27 | End | since we know its instanced either way |
| 05:56.28 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 05:56.37 | NightHawkTheSane | because it's NOT epl. it's just an instanced copy |
| 05:56.56 | NightHawkTheSane | im kinda surprised they didn't do the fog thing they did in Old Hillsbrad, though |
| 05:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Should be suggested |
| 05:57.25 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i actually prefer the invisible wall ;) |
| 05:57.38 | End | fog makes a lot of sense for hillsbrad |
| 05:57.54 | End | since the bronze dragonflight would specifically limit you |
| 05:57.58 | End | but...less for epl |
| 05:58.05 | Neuro_Medivh | so did we decide that it's 3 stacked zones and teleports, or the client just picks a phase? |
| 05:58.21 | Tekkub | nah, they should have the LK kill you for trying to run away |
| 05:58.26 | Tekkub | you wake up at the hold |
| 05:58.36 | End | I only decided 3 stacked zones sounds more likely now. I'm not gonna specifically decide anything ;-p |
| 05:58.49 | End | the minimap thing is really a tell though |
| 05:59.01 | Neuro_Medivh | I can't get a map viewer to work on the beta |
| 05:59.11 | End | (the minimap doesn't lie...yet at least!) |
| 05:59.17 | Tekkub | considering the skeles where the oly way to die would be fall from a flying mount (phase 3) or from the final battle... I'm going with "phased" |
| 05:59.46 | Neuro_Medivh | regardless of how they did it, it's a fantastic achievement =) |
| 05:59.54 | End | yeah |
| 06:00.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll agree it's a very good implementation, regardless |
| 06:00.36 | Neuro_Medivh | makes me wonder how the instance zones will be =) |
| 06:00.53 | NightHawkTheSane | have you not done nexus/utgarde keep? |
| 06:00.59 | Neuro_Medivh | Nope |
| 06:01.16 | NightHawkTheSane | they're pretty cool, but nothing hugely impressive |
| 06:01.25 | Neuro_Medivh | no dynamic coolness then? |
| 06:01.26 | kd3 | those two (and drak'tharon) play like regular zones. I still haven't run AN or the storm peaks one |
| 06:01.30 | NightHawkTheSane | mp "{ |
| 06:01.31 | kd3 | s/zones/instances/ |
| 06:01.36 | NightHawkTheSane | er, no :P |
| 06:01.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i havn't done Drak or AN. |
| 06:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I've only run Drak, sadly |
| 06:02.10 | Neuro_Medivh | I wish they had the resources to go back and re-do all the starting zones like Ebon Hold |
| 06:02.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i actually really like the layout of nexus, but it seems a bit large and unwieldy |
| 06:02.16 | kd3 | no kidding |
| 06:02.26 | kd3 | they'd also redo sw to get rid of prestor |
| 06:02.37 | kd3 | but maybe they are doing that since prestor went poof in the latest build |
| 06:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Where did prestor go? |
| 06:02.42 | ScytheBlade1 | She wasn't there the last tim-- ah |
| 06:02.46 | NightHawkTheSane | to her lair? |
| 06:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Well for the key quest.. |
| 06:03.01 | kd3 | my dk didn't see her, and neither did any lv 1s |
| 06:03.09 | kd3 | the dk's stuck on the quest to talk to her from fordragon |
| 06:03.14 | |pez| | I'd be super awesome, if I hadn't miscalculated that image... >__> http://dev.webmistress.no/wordpress/ |
| 06:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | My 77 didn't see her when I tried to bomb the king |
| 06:03.29 | ScytheBlade1 | (stupid lack of friendly damage) |
| 06:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Safe to say that she is gone |
| 06:04.14 | NightHawkTheSane | new fun pasttime: death gripping flagged morons into town guards |
| 06:04.23 | End | she's gone? don't you need her to get attuned? |
| 06:04.27 | kd3 | yes |
| 06:04.33 | kd3 | operating assumption is that it's a bug |
| 06:04.38 | End | ah |
| 06:04.40 | Neuro_Medivh | I am assuming that the method used in DK newbie zone is probably too system intensive for widespread use |
| 06:04.43 | kd3 | and we're all in "phase 2" atm, whether or not they've done the quests |
| 06:04.47 | End | yeah, that wouldn't be too surprising |
| 06:05.12 | Neuro_Medivh | otherwise, I could see some amazing applications of the technique |
| 06:05.43 | Shirik | Can I pipe into ls? Or would it be more correct to do something like ls -l `generate things to look through`? |
| 06:05.55 | End | into ls? |
| 06:06.02 | End | oh |
| 06:06.06 | End | the second one probably |
| 06:06.23 | Shirik | yeah but the second one is going to be fricking huge, that's what worries me about it. Isn't there some sort of limit? (Perhaps not) |
| 06:06.36 | End | of course, there's always a limit! |
| 06:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | There are |
| 06:06.40 | End | and it's up to you to find it |
| 06:06.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I know that rm has a limit that I've reached on numerous occasions |
| 06:07.07 | End | that's what xargs is for |
| 06:07.27 | Shirik | Yeah, well xargs confuses me >< |
| 06:07.47 | End | find . -name blah | xargs rm |
| 06:07.52 | Shirik | that's it? |
| 06:07.56 | End | that's it |
| 06:07.59 | Shirik | that's too simple :/ |
| 06:08.05 | End | although, find has its own exec bit |
| 06:08.10 | ScytheBlade1 | 02:07 <@Shirik> Yeah, well xargs confuses me >< |
| 06:08.14 | ScytheBlade1 | saved |
| 06:08.16 | Shirik | hey stfu! |
| 06:08.20 | Shirik | It has a lot of options |
| 06:08.34 | End | find . -name blah -exec rm {} \; or something like that? I can never remember how to use -exec on find |
| 06:09.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: it's okay, xargs confuses me too |
| 06:09.34 | Neuro_Medivh | wow... http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080811/tc_nf/61270 |
| 06:09.35 | Thunder_Child | amusing spam title "For: -------- Fight breaks out between Britney's breasts" |
| 06:10.08 | *** join/#wowuidev zenzio (n=zenzelez@85.19.77.194) |
| 06:10.11 | End | xargs just takes the command you give it, and appends the stdin to the end of it |
| 06:10.23 | End | if the command generated is too long, it'll make several commands |
| 06:10.48 | End | ok, I can't win a punching match versus sharptalon |
| 06:11.02 | End | well, technically sharptalon was pecking me... |
| 06:11.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Guest882 (n=lucky@78.157.112.81) |
| 06:12.19 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (n=TC@cpe-76-171-31-114.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 06:12.19 | Guest882 | good morning :) |
| 06:12.44 | End | hellow guest number eight eight two |
| 06:12.50 | End | hello* |
| 06:13.00 | TC-Away | ~lart End |
| 06:13.00 | purl | blasts End with a huge firehose then strangles End with it |
| 06:13.07 | End | :( |
| 06:13.12 | Shirik | Hi Guest882, can we help you with Cosmos? |
| 06:13.30 | Guest882 | well it is my first visit here |
| 06:13.35 | Shirik | hi :) |
| 06:13.40 | Thunder_Child | well it's eather that or Shirik forgetting to change his name |
| 06:13.41 | Neuro_Medivh | they're trying to be 'subtle' |
| 06:13.51 | Shirik | :( Thunder_Child |
| 06:14.20 | Guest882 | you coult start with tell me how i get rit off guest 882 and get a name instead lol |
| 06:14.27 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.40 | Shirik | PJIRC, what's that? Java-based client? |
| 06:14.42 | Thunder_Child | well you has before Shirik |
| 06:14.46 | kd3 | http://irchelp.org/ |
| 06:14.50 | Guest882 | ok see if it works |
| 06:14.52 | Guest882 | nah |
| 06:15.16 | Duman | hah |
| 06:15.21 | End | did you actually try a certain nick? |
| 06:15.36 | End | I mean, someothernick wouldn't work because someone already stole that one :P |
| 06:15.38 | Neuro_Medivh | what nick did you try? If it's common, it's probably in use |
| 06:16.09 | Guest882 | yea i did type / and then the nick name i liked to have |
| 06:16.18 | Shirik | nono |
| 06:16.18 | |pez| | nono |
| 06:16.20 | kd3 | no, it's /nick whatevernick you want |
| 06:16.22 | Shirik | type /nick <nick> |
| 06:16.30 | Duman | /nick MyNewName |
| 06:16.30 | Shirik | literally /nick followed by the nickname you want |
| 06:16.49 | Guest882 | lol |
| 06:16.57 | End | you could do /nick Guest883 |
| 06:16.57 | Neuro_Medivh | like /nick SonicDeathMonkey or /nick KathleenTurnerOverdrive |
| 06:17.03 | Shirik | ~lart End |
| 06:17.03 | purl | stabs End |
| 06:17.04 | Duman | haha |
| 06:17.04 | End | that'd be slightly different |
| 06:17.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Neuro_Medivh |
| 06:17.09 | purl | blasts Neuro_Medivh to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 06:17.22 | |pez| | wowuidev, the helpfull bunch |
| 06:17.28 | SonicDeathMonkey | yes! |
| 06:17.34 | Thunder_Child | anyone remember how old art3mis was? |
| 06:17.40 | Guest883 | now you can't have this nick! |
| 06:17.56 | |pez| | Thunder_Child: .... I feel I should remember that. |
| 06:17.58 | SonicDeathMonkey | muahaha |
| 06:17.59 | SonicDeathMonkey | (02:17:11) - [notice from NickServ]: Nick SonicDeathMonkey is now registered to your account. |
| 06:18.00 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:18.07 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 06:18.11 | SonicDeathMonkey | bye bye |
| 06:18.12 | End | haha |
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| 06:18.24 | Duman | LOL |
| 06:18.26 | Neuro_Medivh | wb |
| 06:18.28 | SonicDeathMonkey | :P |
| 06:18.40 | Thunder_Child | |pez|, really? he was around quite a while ago |
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| 06:18.58 | |pez| | Thunder_Child: I talked to him quite a bit. |
| 06:19.09 | |pez| | But remembering his age... not a chance. |
| 06:19.19 | Thunder_Child | well i found http://www.demonoid.com/users/art3mis i was wondering if this was him |
| 06:19.21 | Chally | ha i thingi got it lol |
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| 06:19.39 | Neuro_Medivh | was that the guy who was writing a mod for 3-4 months, but was actually getting everyone else to write the mod for him? |
| 06:19.39 | Chally | yea lol now i am chally and not guest 882 :) |
| 06:19.56 | Shirik | you'll want to register that name |
| 06:20.02 | Shirik | type /ns register help |
| 06:20.05 | Shirik | er |
| 06:20.09 | Shirik | /ns help register |
| 06:20.10 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: found what? that doesn't show anything :p |
| 06:20.13 | End | yeah, that way Yssaril can't steal your nick |
| 06:20.35 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, it puts your nick in a box |
| 06:20.38 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, huh? |
| 06:21.07 | Cairenn | (2008-08-13 02:19:09) Thunder_Child: well i found http://www.demonoid.com/users/art3mis i was wondering if this was him <== clicking that link doesn't show anything other than the site :p |
| 06:21.28 | Neuro_Medivh | that's cause you're not a demonoid member Cairenn =) |
| 06:21.36 | Thunder_Child | oh, maybe you need to be registered (sp?) |
| 06:21.36 | batbot | Thunder_Child, registered is correct. |
| 06:21.45 | Cairenn | which I'm not |
| 06:21.53 | Cairenn | I don't like warez sites :p |
| 06:22.01 | Neuro_Medivh | it's not warez... it's torrents |
| 06:22.01 | NightHawkTheSane | its not.. specifically.. warez.. |
| 06:22.07 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 06:22.10 | Shirik | oh give me a break :P |
| 06:22.17 | End | but it could be if you want it to be! |
| 06:22.19 | Neuro_Medivh | there are plenty of legitimate torrents on there |
| 06:22.21 | Cairenn | aaanyway, what's the gist |
| 06:22.22 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 06:22.24 | Shirik | like 2%? |
| 06:22.26 | End | no, slouken is the pirate |
| 06:22.31 | Thunder_Child | not much |
| 06:22.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, i havn't been to demonoid since it was shut down the first time |
| 06:22.48 | Shirik | All I know is that's the site my friend gets all his crap from, so :P |
| 06:22.51 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, it's a pale shadow of itself now |
| 06:22.51 | Thunder_Child | has a birthday on there |
| 06:23.02 | Cairenn | which is what? |
| 06:23.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I just go to mininova or piratebay now |
| 06:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh that's infuriating, the NPC I just escorted out of the cave tells me that I should report back to <generic NPC turnin here> |
| 06:23.13 | Thunder_Child | Birthday: September / 15 / 1972 |
| 06:23.15 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'm sitting ther waiting for it to show as "complete" |
| 06:23.17 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, lol |
| 06:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | And... the server dies |
| 06:23.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 06:23.25 | Cairenn | sounds right, probably him |
| 06:23.25 | ScytheBlade1 | No quest completion! |
| 06:23.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That's one stupidly slow NPC too |
| 06:23.39 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:23.42 | Thunder_Child | huh, go figure. thanks Cairenn |
| 06:23.57 | Shirik | Cairenn: That's mean, lol :P |
| 06:24.02 | End | I'm punching bears! |
| 06:24.09 | Shirik | "Pirate site, probably him, yup." |
| 06:24.10 | Cairenn | Shirik: what's mean? |
| 06:24.17 | Cairenn | no ... |
| 06:24.27 | Shirik | That's how I interpreted it :P |
| 06:24.41 | Cairenn | (2008-08-13 02:22:42) Thunder_Child: has a birthday on there |
| 06:24.41 | Cairenn | (2008-08-13 02:22:53) Cairenn: which is what? |
| 06:24.41 | Cairenn | (2008-08-13 02:23:03) Thunder_Child: Birthday: September / 15 / 1972 |
| 06:24.41 | Cairenn | (2008-08-13 02:23:15) Cairenn: sounds right, probably him |
| 06:24.43 | Thunder_Child | common Shirik, you should know by now Cairenn isnt even mean to people she dislikes |
| 06:24.46 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.58 | End | ~fail Shirik |
| 06:24.58 | purl | Shirik: FAIL! |
| 06:24.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm all the way back where I first pick up the quest |
| 06:24.58 | Neuro_Medivh | she dislikes people? |
| 06:24.58 | Cairenn | :p |
| 06:25.05 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: You've never seen the emails she sends to people that try to get beta keys |
| 06:25.13 | Sargeras | Cairenn is an equal opportunity nice-person |
| 06:25.18 | Cairenn | that try to *scam* beta keys |
| 06:25.23 | Neuro_Medivh | she's sugar and spice and everything nice |
| 06:25.24 | Shirik | that's what I mean :) |
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| 06:25.45 | Thunder_Child | somehow i even doubt it's "mean" |
| 06:25.52 | Thunder_Child | to me at least |
| 06:26.14 | Shirik | time to switch computers |
| 06:26.38 | Neuro_Medivh | so Cairenn, how many names did you send in on that first batch? Like 490+? |
| 06:26.46 | Cairenn | something like that |
| 06:26.55 | Cairenn | we've sent over 600 names so far |
| 06:26.56 | Shirik|zZz | 450ish I believe |
| 06:26.57 | Neuro_Medivh | and yet there's only 110 wotlk mods... |
| 06:27.17 | Shirik|zZz | a lot |
| 06:27.25 | Shirik|zZz | a lot of a lot |
| 06:27.25 | Neuro_Medivh | and many of those mods are from the same author |
| 06:27.26 | Tekkub | "Stargate Continuum When Teal'c (Christopher Judge) and Vala (Claudia Black), the last of the Goa'uld System Lords, vanish into thin air"..... |
| 06:27.29 | Cairenn | no Shirik|zZz, not what he meant |
| 06:27.30 | Tekkub | PURE FAIL |
| 06:27.38 | Neuro_Medivh | did you watch it? |
| 06:27.48 | Cairenn | End: none would have been thrown out by Blizz, we do all the vetting on our end |
| 06:27.56 | Cairenn | if I send a name in, they get a key |
| 06:28.03 | Neuro_Medivh | the power! |
| 06:28.21 | Shirik|zZz | hey Cairenn, my friend George Washington needs a key |
| 06:28.22 | Neuro_Medivh | Cairenn the Keymaster |
| 06:28.26 | End | offhand I have no idea how many you actually sent though :P |
| 06:28.35 | Cairenn | are you the gate keeper? |
| 06:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: my uh... better! half needs a key =] |
| 06:28.46 | Shirik|zZz | you have a better half? |
| 06:28.51 | End | versus how many tried to opt in |
| 06:29.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I could use one more key, but I'm not greedy... |
| 06:29.07 | |pez| | Oh, ffs, why does IE6 fail so much. :\ |
| 06:29.16 | Neuro_Medivh | cause it's microsoft? |
| 06:29.25 | Neuro_Medivh | who doesn't use FF now? |
| 06:29.27 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.46 | Nechckn | I had heard about it, but apparently, it's like this huge thing now |
| 06:29.50 | Neuro_Medivh | why? the metal? |
| 06:30.00 | Nechckn | places like Philly are actually changing to plastic |
| 06:30.06 | |pez| | Neuro_Medivh: I'm a webdeveloper... I need to take into consideration people who aren't upgrading their software. |
| 06:30.09 | Nechckn | Yep, melt down the metal for $$$$ |
| 06:30.12 | Neuro_Medivh | I know there's a big thing about copper pipes getting stolen |
| 06:30.14 | End | oh |
| 06:30.22 | Nechckn | Same thing Neuro_Medivh |
| 06:30.24 | End | that's why I have vmware :P |
| 06:30.52 | Neuro_Medivh | and if you think IE6 is fail, Vista is a full on fleet of failboats |
| 06:30.57 | Nechckn | |pez| that's the hardes darn thing... is trying to make 'em available to everyone |
| 06:31.07 | Nechckn | like those with IE5 ... STILL! |
| 06:31.24 | |pez| | Ok, I'm not caring with IE5 |
| 06:31.31 | Nechckn | hehhe just saying |
| 06:31.35 | |pez| | that's just not going to happen. |
| 06:31.36 | End | who still uses IE5 o_O |
| 06:31.43 | Thunder_Child | or IE6 |
| 06:31.44 | Neuro_Medivh | people who use AOL |
| 06:31.53 | |pez| | http://dev.webmistress.no/wordpress/ kinda breaks on IE 6 and below |
| 06:31.54 | Nechckn | people on 95 and 98 |
| 06:31.54 | End | IE6 is bad, but IE5? Are you kidding me? |
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| 06:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I know what murloc blood smells like! |
| 06:32.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ie5/mac forever! :P |
| 06:32.52 | ScytheBlade1 | And I quote |
| 06:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | "coppery tang" |
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| 06:33.33 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 06:36.45 | End | 349 unarmed! |
| 06:36.52 | End | I can stop punching bears soon! |
| 06:37.11 | Cairenn | I hate to disappoint you guys, but I can actually be mean. User email: "i need ui". Cairenn response: "Congrats. Go download one." |
| 06:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 06:37.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Reminds me of an e-mail I got some years ago after I had written a "How-to WinMPQ" |
| 06:37.51 | End | well, it's a good thing we don't normally have to see your mean side :P |
| 06:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo it's gone, too long ago |
| 06:38.12 | ScytheBlade1 | he asked a stupid question and said "the readme can burn in hell" |
| 06:38.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I had a fun time with that reply. |
| 06:38.36 | End | although, I do remember there was a little flame war going in here once, and you muted everyone and told us to stop being silly children |
| 06:38.46 | Nechckn | That's not mean, Cairenn I'm sure we could come up with meaner! |
| 06:38.52 | cladhaire | Ackis: I responded to you, since I think you were asking me directrly |
| 06:38.54 | Thunder_Child | ya, thats not all that mean |
| 06:38.57 | Corrodias | only because you are so ugly, End |
| 06:39.01 | End | (my words, I don't remember what you actually said) |
| 06:39.09 | End | Cairenn: you don't know what I look like! |
| 06:39.11 | End | acl |
| 06:39.14 | Corrodias | HA |
| 06:39.18 | End | Corrodias: you don't know what I look like! |
| 06:39.26 | End | ~lart Corrodias |
| 06:39.26 | purl | whacks Corrodias with the cluebat |
| 06:39.28 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 06:39.30 | Corrodias | :( |
| 06:39.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: although looking at the e-mail you got, that person was probably not a native english speaker |
| 06:39.54 | _Yssaril_ | End: why dont you just punch those unkillable guys by the portal in blasted lands? |
| 06:40.02 | End | _Yssaril_: so far away! |
| 06:40.07 | End | and punching bears is more amusing |
| 06:40.13 | End | and it takes me like five minutes to kill a bear |
| 06:40.18 | Yssaril | lol |
| 06:40.24 | Cairenn | has anyone else notice that purl's larts have been amazingly relevant lately? |
| 06:40.28 | Cairenn | noticed* |
| 06:40.29 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, I just noticed someone made a WoW addon version of ELIZA |
| 06:40.30 | cladhaire | yes, I have |
| 06:40.30 | cladhaire | :P |
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| 06:40.35 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 06:40.47 | Yssaril | ~lart self |
| 06:40.47 | purl | slaps self upside the head with a wet fish |
| 06:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 06:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | When I lart'd you earlier, it stole your mojo |
| 06:41.18 | ScytheBlade1 | When you had just stolen mine :P |
| 06:41.30 | End | lol |
| 06:41.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ~botsnack |
| 06:41.47 | purl | thanks, ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:42.05 | End | purl: <3 |
| 06:42.05 | purl | somebody said <3 was not >4, or not 3, or the emulation of a love symbol |
| 06:42.21 | Cairenn | 2 |
| 06:45.02 | End | I don't know if Abdul the insane has the strength of ten men, but he sure hits hard |
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| 06:46.48 | End | wow, I guess reading quest descriptions is a good idea |
| 06:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | usually |
| 06:46.55 | End | it specifically told me to stay away from him :P |
| 06:47.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 06:47.03 | Vilkku | End, what quest? |
| 06:47.11 | End | the staff of storm's fury |
| 06:47.31 | Vilkku | what zone is that in? |
| 06:47.38 | End | howling fjord |
| 06:47.45 | End | don't by the walrus people |
| 06:47.49 | End | down* |
| 06:47.54 | Neuro_Medivh | I am guessing you did not, in fact, stay away from him |
| 06:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | He's also tricky with CC |
| 06:48.27 | End | oh, I ran right into him |
| 06:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried to frost nova him |
| 06:48.37 | End | if by tricky you mean immune |
| 06:48.39 | End | yes, he is |
| 06:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | debuff applied, graphic applied |
| 06:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | But he still ran around |
| 06:48.46 | Vilkku | oh yeah, the tuskarr, haven't been down there yet... are they alliance-firneldy or neutral? |
| 06:48.52 | End | neutral |
| 06:48.54 | End | I think |
| 06:49.03 | End | they like horde at least :P |
| 06:49.13 | NightHawkTheSane | neutral |
| 06:49.30 | Tekkub | I just wanna poke em they're cute |
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| 06:49.33 | NightHawkTheSane | they provide transport between howling fjord and borean tundra |
| 06:49.34 | End | lol |
| 06:49.38 | NightHawkTheSane | and dragonblight |
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| 06:51.11 | Vilkku | right, I need to explore more then, here I was thinking I already had seen all horde/neutral hubs in Howling |
| 06:51.12 | End | :o |
| 06:51.20 | End | Wowhead sez "The database is not available at this time. Please try again in 30 seconds." |
| 06:51.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Vilkku: there are A LOT of little quest hubs |
| 06:52.01 | End | yeah no kidding |
| 06:52.28 | End | I wandered around trying to find something and I found several quest hubs |
| 06:52.43 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, yeah. although they do a reasonably decent job of guiding you to all of them |
| 06:52.47 | Vilkku | NightHawkTheSane, in howling I have so far found (for horde) Vengeance Landing, after the elevator, New Aggaman (sp?), the taunka, and the apotecharies |
| 06:52.48 | batbot | Vilkku, nothing found. |
| 06:52.50 | End | eventually I found what I was looking for, but I had missed a turn or something |
| 06:53.51 | End | you got most of them then |
| 06:54.57 | Vilkku | at least there are the achivements now, so I can see if I have any quest undone |
| 06:55.02 | End | one of the new aggaman quests leads you do a graveyard which has a walrus person |
| 06:55.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Vilkku: yeah ;) |
| 06:55.15 | End | and he leads you to the other walrus people |
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| 06:55.27 | End | and then you end up back to him after helping pirates out |
| 06:56.08 | End | also, when the hell did I level up? o_O |
| 06:56.16 | Vilkku | End, haha :D |
| 07:04.41 | Thunder_Child | offhand, anyone know the ascii code for cents? |
| 07:05.47 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 07:07.31 | MentalPower | ¢ |
| 07:07.42 | MentalPower | its not ascii, its UTF-8 |
| 07:07.58 | MentalPower | lua> ("¢"):len() |
| 07:07.59 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 2 |
| 07:08.28 | End | it's probably in latin-1 |
| 07:08.34 | Thunder_Child | ¢ |
| 07:08.38 | End | but if we' |
| 07:08.40 | End | blah |
| 07:08.44 | Thunder_Child | its alt+155 |
| 07:08.46 | End | but if we're on topic, you'd be using utf-8 |
| 07:09.14 | MentalPower | lua> ("¢"):byte() |
| 07:09.15 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 194 |
| 07:09.31 | MentalPower | lua> ("¢"):byte(1,2) |
| 07:09.32 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 194, 162 |
| 07:09.43 | Thunder_Child | well ¢ is 155 |
| 07:09.50 | Maldivia | Tekkub? |
| 07:10.07 | MentalPower | 155 here is: ø |
| 07:10.26 | Maldivia | ups... did I do that.... :) |
| 07:10.29 | Thunder_Child | i thought ascii was a standardization |
| 07:10.38 | Thunder_Child | standardization (sp?) |
| 07:10.39 | batbot | Thunder_Child, standardization is correct. |
| 07:10.43 | Thunder_Child | i win |
| 07:10.53 | End | a standardization |
| 07:10.59 | End | and |
| 07:11.08 | End | it's not in the original |
| 07:11.15 | End | just the various extended character sets |
| 07:11.33 | End | so, iso8859-1 has it |
| 07:11.44 | End | but we tend to prefer utf-8 these days |
| 07:13.21 | Thunder_Child | my mirc doesnt seem to like utf-8 |
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| 07:13.56 | MentalPower | Thunder_Child: change it, IIRC theres an option to change the encoding |
| 07:14.05 | Thunder_Child | i did...it still doesnt like it |
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| 07:17.43 | End | wow, this bear has a growl that gives it a little bit of health, and being a warlock, my unarmed attack hits so weakly, this bear isn't dying :P |
| 07:17.49 | Thunder_Child | ß |
| 07:17.57 | End | wtf is that symbol? |
| 07:18.03 | Thunder_Child | wow...that showed as a box in my typing line |
| 07:18.11 | Thunder_Child | but shows fine when i send it |
| 07:18.25 | End | your input textbox's font probably sucks |
| 07:18.44 | Thunder_Child | wad |
| 07:18.53 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 07:24.53 | Thunder_Child | á ëàµ²í² |
| 07:24.55 | Thunder_Child | bah |
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| 07:30.37 | Maldivia | Cairenn: wowinterface.com site bugs, where should those be reported? |
| 07:30.49 | Cairenn | site bug forum |
| 07:30.52 | Cairenn | what's up? |
| 07:30.59 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 |
| 07:31.22 | Cairenn | post it so it doesn't get forgotten, but what's up? |
| 07:31.34 | Maldivia | just the link for members on the comment sections leads to a 404 |
| 07:32.19 | Cairenn | hrm? |
| 07:32.34 | Cairenn | what do you mean? |
| 07:33.17 | Maldivia | when looking at the comments pane for a download, the comment-author is a link to their member profile - that link is 404 |
| 07:33.31 | Cairenn | it's a dropdown |
| 07:33.44 | Cairenn | and works just fine for me |
| 07:34.53 | Maldivia | well, the link you see when hovering the mouse over (which was the one my browser went to) is a 404 |
| 07:35.00 | Cairenn | odd |
| 07:35.39 | Maldivia | I have a tendency to middle-click links to open in new tabs, that goes to the link and doesn't pop up the drop down menu |
| 07:36.03 | Cairenn | ahhhhh |
| 07:48.45 | Shirik | .... oh my |
| 07:49.30 | Shirik | ./x86/serlib.a FAILED - 1134 error(s), 2 warning(s) |
| 07:50.29 | Maldivia | ouch |
| 07:51.15 | Shirik | hm, this might have something to do with it |
| 07:51.46 | Shirik | usr/include/sys/compiler_gnu.h:40:2: #error Endian not defined |
| 07:51.46 | Shirik | usr/include/sys/compiler_gnu.h:66:3: #error not configured for CPU |
| 07:57.48 | batrick | > 1000 errors means you need to do (errors % 1000) to get the correct number |
| 07:57.49 | batrick | ime |
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| 08:20.35 | haste | haroo |
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| 10:15.49 | Quezacolt | Is there a horde addon dev guild on Northrend US? |
| 10:16.21 | Cairenn | I *thought* there were some guilds made on the PvP server, but I'm not positive |
| 10:16.36 | Cairenn | if there are, I'd love to know so I can add them to my post ;) |
| 10:17.04 | Quezacolt | I recall someone saying something about making one in the WoWI beta giveaway thread |
| 10:20.51 | Quezacolt | woah, my tauren shammy's all green! |
| 10:21.00 | Quezacolt | I think he got a bit sick during the char copy... |
| 10:21.39 | haste | it's bovine spongiform encephalopathy for WoW! |
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| 10:36.00 | Wobin | Mad cow, Atticus! MAD COW! |
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| 10:43.14 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 10:47.56 | Maldivia | Cairenn: do you ever sleep? :) |
| 10:48.04 | Cairenn | I'll never tell |
| 10:48.32 | Maldivia | or are you like the china farmers, and change every 8 hours ? :) |
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| 10:48.54 | Cairenn | ... |
| 10:48.55 | Cairenn | >< |
| 10:48.59 | Maldivia | ni hao? |
| 10:49.28 | Maldivia | well, you just seem to be on and awake all the time |
| 10:49.41 | Mikk | hao ma! |
| 10:49.57 | Cairenn | who are you calling a ho? |
| 10:51.38 | Maldivia | it's what... 4-7am in the US right now, right? |
| 10:51.52 | Mikk | And this is relevant... how? |
| 10:52.00 | Cairenn | 06:50 here |
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| 10:52.42 | Mikk | Some of us are wired differently, and have 7 in the morning as a natural bedtime :P |
| 10:53.25 | Mikk | UK |
| 10:53.34 | Mikk | No, I take that back. Iceland. |
| 10:53.59 | nevcairiel | thats close enough to normal times, fascinating |
| 10:54.03 | Mikk | Indeed! |
| 10:54.28 | Mikk | I blame my better half. "Say goodnight to me!" Then she fell asleep on my arm. |
| 10:54.31 | Mikk | Then I fell asleep :P |
| 10:54.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:55.59 | Cairenn | honestly, that's exactly what has happened to me .... my sleep schedule got somewhat messed up over Christmas (yes, 7 months ago) and it's just been getting progressively worse ... it's always been one thing or another that has prevented me from trying to get back to a more "normal" sleep schedule ... |
| 10:55.59 | Cairenn | then when the beta keys went on sale, it just got so crazy that my schedule finished flipping over completely - I'm now at the point that I usually go to sleep some time between 0800 - 1000 (depending on what all has blown up) and get up somewhere between 1400-1800 |
| 10:56.19 | Cairenn | errr, not on sale, the giveaway I mean |
| 10:57.58 | Cairenn | but yeah, I do actually sleep |
| 10:58.17 | Maldivia | so you could live in central Russia, and your current sleeping pattern would fit right in ? |
| 10:58.57 | zenzio | <Cairenn> then when the beta keys went on sale <-- so that's why it took so long, Cairenn was selling them on ebay first |
| 10:58.57 | Cairenn | I get 4-6 hrs at some point or another through the day/night/whenever, and every now and then end up getting 10-14 hrs straight because my body just rebels and refuses to do anything but sleep |
| 10:59.03 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:59.17 | Cairenn | and honestly, I'm completely exhausted |
| 11:00.10 | Maldivia | hmm, if my body were in charge of my sleeping pattern, I would sleep like 5-13 or so |
| 11:00.12 | Cairenn | I fell asleep sitting here last night, right out cold in my computer chair |
| 11:00.50 | Cairenn | my doc wants me sleeping 8-10 hrs every single night |
| 11:00.58 | Cairenn | what a joke that is |
| 11:01.06 | jnwhiteh | you really need to try! |
| 11:01.07 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 11:02.05 | Cairenn | meh, it's life |
| 11:03.52 | nevcairiel | someone is confirming fast today |
| 11:03.58 | Cairenn | :) |
| 11:04.13 | Elkano | sleep... weekdays 6hrs have to be sufficient... weekends it's 8-10... |
| 11:05.13 | krka | works for me! |
| 11:05.18 | Cairenn | we've got a little widget on our desktops that dolby made for us ... refreshes every 10 sec for me and him (him and me? errr, can't remember which is grammatically correct right now and too tired to care) and every 60 sec for the moderators |
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| 11:06.02 | krka | information overload is bad for sleeping |
| 11:06.58 | Wobin | he and I? |
| 11:07.05 | Cairenn | heh |
| 11:07.06 | Wobin | "both of us" |
| 11:07.10 | Cairenn | that works! |
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| 11:07.45 | krka | aren't both orders correct? |
| 11:07.51 | krka | or is english grammar _that_ fucked up? |
| 11:08.29 | Elkano | in German we have a saying "The donkey always comes first" ;) |
| 11:08.33 | Mikk | i think she's confusing it with using e.g. "Bob and I" vs "I and Bob" |
| 11:08.51 | krka | are not both those correct? |
| 11:08.53 | Mikk | no |
| 11:09.06 | Wobin | The more grammatically correct is to use 'I' instead of 'Me' |
| 11:09.08 | Fisker- | i hate you Elkano |
| 11:09.19 | Mikk | Wobin: not in that place.. "me" is right there |
| 11:09.23 | Mikk | hence why order doesn't matter |
| 11:09.32 | Elkano | see, Fisker- said "I" before my name ;) |
| 11:09.33 | Mikk | "it refreshes every 10 sec for I" <- err no |
| 11:09.57 | Fisker- | stupid n00bs dug up my internet cables |
| 11:10.02 | Wobin | well not when she's not just talking about herself |
| 11:10.08 | Wobin | I is fine if you're only referring to yourself |
| 11:10.10 | krka | right, it's dative form and not subject form |
| 11:10.12 | Arrowmaster | and its grammatically correct to mention youself last |
| 11:10.12 | Wobin | er Me |
| 11:10.27 | krka | "it's" grammatically correct, you mean |
| 11:10.43 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:10.44 | Arrowmaster | 'its' the internet and who the fuck uses puncuation |
| 11:10.51 | Wobin | punctuation? |
| 11:10.59 | jnwhiteh | Das Pferd rennt. |
| 11:11.02 | Wobin | pft |
| 11:11.10 | Wobin | Who else would you discuss it with? |
| 11:11.15 | krka | english is a retarded language then, imo :) |
| 11:11.18 | Wobin | yes! |
| 11:11.23 | Wobin | That's very true |
| 11:11.25 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 11:11.32 | Mikk | All languages are retarded |
| 11:11.32 | Elkano | french is worse :P |
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| 11:11.34 | krka | you should all l2swedish |
| 11:11.38 | Mikk | It's a function of having been created by people |
| 11:11.44 | Punkie | oneself? |
| 11:11.44 | Rabbitbunny | Mikk: Except for Perl. |
| 11:11.50 | krka | swedish is probably atleast less retarded than english |
| 11:12.17 | Mikk | Perl is not just retarded. Its weirdness transcends the mere realms of mortals. |
| 11:12.35 | Elkano | why don't we all start to use kanji and flame eachother if we picked the wrong ones? ;) |
| 11:12.54 | cbreak | ã¯ãï¼ |
| 11:13.01 | Wobin | perl is about the only write once read never language ever created |
| 11:13.06 | Mikk | haha |
| 11:13.13 | Arrowmaster | yeah isnt having to be able to recongnize 2000 different characters just to read a newspaper great |
| 11:13.15 | jnwhiteh | Cairenn: beat you on the last two approvals :P |
| 11:13.21 | jnwhiteh | even with my gimped widget! |
| 11:13.25 | jnwhiteh | Go to sleep |
| 11:13.26 | amro|afk | cbreak: those aren't kanji |
| 11:13.28 | amro|afk | :P |
| 11:13.35 | jnwhiteh | I'm going to lunch, but will be around for the next few hours at least |
| 11:13.37 | Arrowmaster | yes it is |
| 11:13.41 | Wobin | that's hirigana =P |
| 11:13.45 | Cairenn | lol |
| 11:13.58 | Wobin | except the third one |
| 11:13.59 | cbreak | ç§ã¯ãã²ãããªãã¤ããã¾ãã |
| 11:14.04 | Wobin | which I have no idea what it was supposed to be |
| 11:14.18 | cbreak | iexclemation mark. maybe you heard of it :) |
| 11:14.22 | Arrowmaster | ã ããï¼ã ããï¼ã ããï¼ã ãã |
| 11:14.28 | Wobin | It could be that my characterset isn't picking up the kanji |
| 11:14.32 | Arrowmaster | ã ãã大家æ |
| 11:14.36 | amro|afk | Arrowmaster: <3 |
| 11:14.43 | Elkano | cbreak, kanji, not hiragana ;) |
| 11:14.44 | Arrowmaster | <3 |
| 11:15.00 | cbreak | I know... but I can only write very few of those |
| 11:15.02 | krka | l2use alphabet with fewer characters |
| 11:15.02 | Wobin | |
| 11:15.29 | Arrowmaster | i have a txt file i copy paste from to spam my friend |
| 11:15.30 | Wobin | ä½ å¥½ |
| 11:15.35 | Wobin | hm, it's not |
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| 11:16.18 | Elkano | but funny how many people in here know at least a bit of japanese ^^ |
| 11:16.19 | lua_bot | Mikk needs to learn how to adapt more easily |
| 11:16.19 | Wobin | UTF doesn't appear to cover it =P |
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| 11:16.33 | Wobin | Lua bot tells it like it is |
| 11:16.35 | Arrowmaster | utf covers everything |
| 11:16.48 | Arrowmaster | Elkano: i cant read any of it |
| 11:16.50 | Wobin | Maybe I'm copy/pasting it wrong |
| 11:17.01 | Wobin | çæææï¼æªç»å
许ä¸å¾å¤å¶è½¬è½½ |
| 11:17.01 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: i saw it fine, its your client |
| 11:17.16 | jnwhiteh | so much kanji |
| 11:17.34 | Punkie | works for me also |
| 11:17.40 | Elkano | too many imho so most likely rather chinese than japanese |
| 11:17.42 | cbreak | you need better fonts cairenn. |
| 11:17.47 | Punkie | colloquy ftw :> |
| 11:17.54 | Funkeh` | Wobin, I see it :) |
| 11:18.02 | Wobin | yeah, it's all chinese from me =P |
| 11:18.08 | Cairenn | I have more freaking fonts installed on this machine, I've no idea why I can't see them |
| 11:18.13 | Wobin | can't seem to get a font that renders it though |
| 11:18.15 | Arrowmaster | what client? |
| 11:18.20 | Cairenn | Pidgin |
| 11:18.23 | Funkeh` | X-Chat |
| 11:18.27 | Arrowmaster | pidgin is fail |
| 11:18.27 | Cairenn | and I wonder if that's it |
| 11:18.30 | Arrowmaster | no clue about x-chat |
| 11:18.33 | Wobin | X-chat |
| 11:18.40 | Arrowmaster | probably a setting |
| 11:18.43 | Elkano | japanese/chinese works fine for me but I think korean dowsn't currently :( |
| 11:18.44 | cbreak | I think I use UTF-8 encoding |
| 11:18.52 | Funkeh` | I paid for my windows version but it was worth it ;p |
| 11:18.56 | Funkeh` | linux is free |
| 11:19.26 | Arrowmaster | åè¦ |
| 11:19.34 | Wobin | see, I can read that... |
| 11:19.41 | Wobin | but not all the characters pasted |
| 11:19.47 | Funkeh` | I can Oo |
| 11:19.50 | Matrix110 | I can see the signs but I cant read them :P |
| 11:20.00 | Funkeh` | set to UTF-8 in xchat |
| 11:20.07 | amro|afk | ÙÙ ÙÙ
ÙÙÙÙ
Ùراءة ÙØ¯Ø§Ø |
| 11:20.11 | Cairenn | yeah, see, it's my client ... I copied "(2008-08-13 07:16:51) Wobin: çæææï¼æªç»å
许ä¸å¾å¤å¶è½¬è½½" to Word and can see the characters fine |
| 11:20.14 | Funkeh` | I see that too |
| 11:20.22 | Cairenn | now, see I just saw those, amro|afk |
| 11:20.27 | Punkie | me too |
| 11:20.28 | selckin | ââ ââ ââ old skool cheat codes! |
| 11:20.30 | Punkie | squiggles |
| 11:20.35 | amro|afk | did it get switched to right-to-left? |
| 11:20.37 | Funkeh` | arabic |
| 11:20.40 | Cairenn | arabic? |
| 11:20.42 | amro|afk | yeah |
| 11:20.44 | Cairenn | heh, guessed right |
| 11:20.49 | Matrix110 | same |
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| 11:21.28 | Funkeh` | xchat > network list > edit character set |
| 11:21.29 | cbreak | I wonder if I can enter egyptian hieroglyphs with unicode... |
| 11:21.31 | Cairenn | so yeah, it seems to be something with Pidgin that prevents me from seeing a bunch of stuff |
| 11:21.41 | Arrowmaster | âââââââââ·â¶ |
| 11:21.46 | Wobin | Mine's set to UTF-8 |
| 11:22.00 | Funkeh` | hmm |
| 11:22.01 | Arrowmaster | selckin doesnt know his cheat codes |
| 11:22.09 | Matrix110 | In mirc View->Font->UTF-8 Encoding |
| 11:22.14 | amro|afk | Cairenn: on windows? |
| 11:22.18 | Punkie | â⣿⣬⣢â£â |
| 11:22.21 | Cairenn | bleeter might actually be able to tell me how to get them to show |
| 11:22.23 | Cairenn | amro|afk: yes |
| 11:22.43 | Punkie | â⺠|
| 11:23.06 | Elkano | Cairenn, maybe change the font used? |
| 11:23.16 | amro|afk | Cairenn: they show up for me on windows/pidgin |
| 11:23.25 | Matrix110 | Hmm could see some of what Punkie posted but not all |
| 11:23.42 | Punkie | i posted braille :P |
| 11:23.48 | Cairenn | hmmmm, okay ... which font are you using amro|afk? |
| 11:23.49 | cbreak | some of it seems to be braille and other exotic formats |
| 11:23.53 | Funkeh` | plane square quare quare infinity |
| 11:24.04 | Punkie | then the last 2 were a snowman and a smiley face |
| 11:24.11 | amro|afk | Cairenn: no idea as I'm not on windows right now, but i didn't change anything so it must be the default |
| 11:24.58 | Wobin | çæææï¼æªç»å
许ä¸å¾å¤å¶è½¬è½½ |
| 11:25.00 | Wobin | nope |
| 11:25.04 | amro|afk | do you have the checkbox for east asian languages ticked in windows regional settings? |
| 11:25.07 | Wobin | çæ |
| 11:25.17 | Wobin | I can see the characters in the input field |
| 11:25.28 | Matrix110 | amro|afk I dont have that and I can see the signs |
| 11:25.37 | selckin | Cairenn: can you see â¬â¬ ? |
| 11:25.42 | Cairenn | that I saw |
| 11:25.44 | amro|afk | everyone can see money :P |
| 11:25.51 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: stop breaking copyright laws |
| 11:25.53 | selckin | Cairenn: utf is definitly fine then, just your font |
| 11:25.58 | Matrix110 | nope the EUROPEAN Clients can show properly |
| 11:26.01 | Punkie | â ⤠⯠⽠⹠â â â |
| 11:26.01 | Matrix110 | *cant |
| 11:26.13 | Funkeh` | Punkie, >.> |
| 11:26.19 | Punkie | :D |
| 11:26.23 | selckin | Cairenn: http://blog.portblue.de/2008/06/making-pidgin-unicode-compatible.html maybe, i didn't read all of it |
| 11:26.38 | cbreak | I seem to be able to see everything. Yay for a unicode based OS :) |
| 11:26.40 | Arrowmaster | ~x zh en çæææï¼æªç»å
许ä¸å¾å¤å¶è½¬è½½ |
| 11:26.49 | Funkeh` | lol? |
| 11:26.49 | Elkano | Cairenn, I'm using Lucidia console |
| 11:26.52 | Funkeh` | purl fails |
| 11:26.53 | purl | I fail? I FAIL? NO, YOU FAIL!!! |
| 11:26.53 | Punkie | Matrix110: You just said for me; nope the EUROPEAN Clients can show ⬠properly incompatible encoding) |
| 11:27.05 | Arrowmaster | ~x en jp stare |
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| 11:27.14 | Matrix110 | no Punkie I didnt |
| 11:27.16 | Arrowmaster | only on input |
| 11:27.25 | frop | dello |
| 11:27.30 | Arrowmaster | ~x en zh All rights reserved; reproduced without permission may not be reproduced |
| 11:27.30 | frop | there's a !seen bot here? |
| 11:27.31 | Matrix110 | the "incompatible encoding)" wasnt part of my message |
| 11:27.41 | Punkie | I guessed so |
| 11:27.45 | Punkie | what did you write? |
| 11:27.46 | frop | !seen Apoco |
| 11:27.47 | cbreak | I think Colloquy adds that. |
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| 11:27.53 | Punkie | it does |
| 11:27.55 | jnwhiteh | frop: ~seen |
| 11:27.58 | cbreak | when a line is not in unicode, and then guesses |
| 11:27.59 | jnwhiteh | frop: purls trigger is ~ |
| 11:28.02 | frop | ~seen Apoco |
| 11:28.06 | purl | apoco <i=Apoco@adsl-99-162-57-237.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 20d 5h 36m 56s ago, saying: 'Arrowmaster: pm'. |
| 11:28.06 | krka | Êɹoddns-8ÉÊn ÇÊÉÉ¥ ÊlqÉqoɹd noÊ 'sÄ±É¥Ê pÉÇɹ uÉÉ noÊ Éı |
| 11:28.08 | Matrix110 | the msg you pasted without that end part I quioted :P |
| 11:28.08 | Arrowmaster | lol its different |
| 11:28.46 | amro|afk | Arrowmaster: argh now I can't get the dango song out of my head! |
| 11:28.55 | Arrowmaster | amro|afk: i win! |
| 11:29.03 | Arrowmaster | ã ããï¼ã ããï¼ã ããï¼ã ãã |
| 11:29.16 | frop | thank you :) |
| 11:29.21 | Wobin | damnit |
| 11:29.23 | Punkie | krka: uÊop Épá»sdn pÉuɹnÊ Â´pÉddá»lÉ Êoá ÉÉá»l Êɯ ÊoÉ¥ ÊnoqÉ llÉ ÊɹoÊs É sá» sá»É¥Ê ÊoN |
| 11:29.25 | frop | guess he's on Vacation |
| 11:29.34 | amro|afk | ã ãã大家æãï¼ï¼ |
| 11:29.35 | Wobin | The only font I have that appears to deal with the characters correctly is horrific to read |
| 11:29.43 | Rabbitbunny | expecting 'true'... |
| 11:29.44 | Rabbitbunny | lua> t={ ["1"] = { ["1.5"] = true, ["1.6"] = true }, ["2"] = { ["2.6"] = true, ["2.73"] = true } } bill=false a="2.73" for iz,iza in pairs(t) do for inz,_ in ipairs(iza) do if a == inz then bill=true end end end print (bill) |
| 11:29.44 | lua_bot | Rabbitbunny: false |
| 11:29.49 | Rabbitbunny | hints? |
| 11:30.00 | Arrowmaster | Punkie: you are not the fresh prince stop it |
| 11:30.07 | Punkie | :'( |
| 11:30.26 | amro|afk | Rabbitbunny: ipairs iterates on integers |
| 11:30.47 | Rabbitbunny | They're strings. |
| 11:30.48 | Mikk | Rabbitbunny: Plus, you're comparing "2.73" with the values |
| 11:30.51 | jnwhiteh | not just integers, but successive integer keys starting at 1 |
| 11:30.58 | jnwhiteh | in short, there's a lot wrong with that snippet :P |
| 11:30.58 | Mikk | Rabbitbunny: indeed. so use pairs() |
| 11:31.08 | amro|afk | lua> t={ ["1"] = { ["1.5"] = true, ["1.6"] = true }, ["2"] = { ["2.6"] = true, ["2.73"] = true } } bill=false a="2.73" for iz,iza in pairs(t) do for inz,_ in pairs(iza) do if a == inz then bill=true end end end print (bill) |
| 11:31.09 | lua_bot | amro|afk: true |
| 11:31.19 | Mikk | lua> t={ ["1"] = { ["1.5"] = true, ["1.6"] = true }, ["2"] = { ["2.6"] = true, ["2.73"] = true } } bill=false a="2.73" for iz,iza in pairs(t) do for inz,_ in pairs(iza) do if a == inz then bill=true end end end print (bill) |
| 11:31.20 | lua_bot | Mikk: true |
| 11:31.37 | Arrowmaster | amro|afk: i have the entire song typed up |
| 11:31.48 | Mikk | ~kick Arrowmaster |
| 11:31.48 | purl | ACTION kicks Arrowmaster |
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| 11:35.15 | Rabbitbunny | oh.. dunno how that i snuck in there... I was reading yours going 'wth... i just typed that' |
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| 11:38.31 | Cairenn | that link helped, thank you - Arial Unicode MS may have fixed it for me |
| 11:38.40 | selckin | np |
| 11:39.17 | Punkie | â |
| 11:39.19 | Punkie | working? :P |
| 11:39.25 | Cairenn | airplane |
| 11:39.34 | Punkie | indeed |
| 11:39.37 | Cairenn | or at least, that's what it looks like to my tired eyes |
| 11:39.42 | selckin | åè¦ |
| 11:39.57 | Arrowmaster | Arial Unicode MS is one of the better fonts for things that dont support dynamic font switching, its on the top2 fonts for most glyphs i think |
| 11:40.07 | Wobin | omg |
| 11:40.08 | Wobin | yay |
| 11:40.08 | Punkie | â |
| 11:40.19 | Cairenn | Wobin: ? |
| 11:40.38 | Cairenn | (and see, told you I've got a bazillion fonts on here ;) ) |
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| 11:41.00 | Arrowmaster | arial unicode MS comes from office so its likely most people have it |
| 11:41.08 | Cairenn | shhhhh ;) |
| 11:41.49 | Arrowmaster | wish wow would use it instead of arial narrow, but its easy to fix that by just droping it in WoW/Fonts/ARIALN.TTF |
| 11:42.02 | Wobin | I've been scanning through fonts trying to find one that worked |
| 11:42.42 | Elkano | btw: which fonts does russian WoW use? |
| 11:42.49 | Arrowmaster | arialn? |
| 11:45.16 | Mikk | Why would I have MS office at home? oO |
| 11:45.45 | nevcairiel | Because its so cheap! |
| 11:47.05 | Mikk | .... right! |
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| 11:47.25 | cbreak | Microsoft is an organisation of evil and greed. |
| 11:48.15 | Arrowmaster | i installed then uninstalled powerpoint viewer 07 just for the shitty clearfont fonts i never use |
| 11:49.54 | cbreak | You could get your hands on Mac OS X, it contains a few great fonts :) |
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| 11:56.38 | Matrix110 | that even the new Loading Screens still dont have a WS Version fails |
| 11:56.54 | cbreak | WS version? |
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| 11:57.07 | Matrix110 | Widescreen |
| 11:57.15 | Matrix110 | and nice iam stuck on the boat in Northrend |
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| 11:57.37 | Bouvi | Be glad you are not stuck at work. GAH. I want to be home right now. |
| 11:58.48 | Elkano | but the new Bloodelf Female on the loadingscreen is hot ;) |
| 11:58.51 | amro|afk | Bouvi: try auto unstuck |
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| 11:59.53 | Bouvi | No go, let me try /clickmyheelswearingrubyslippers.... Nope that either. |
| 12:05.04 | Wobin | You must have set your hearth to be at work |
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| 12:14.21 | Matrix110 | yes`? |
| 12:14.26 | Fisker- | NO U |
| 12:14.45 | Fisker- | [13:56:11] <Matrix110> that even the new Loading Screens still dont have a WS Version fails |
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| 12:15.35 | Matrix110 | aha |
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| 12:50.32 | Industrial | What addon rates gear again and puts the points in the tooltip? |
| 12:50.41 | Industrial | I cba weighing new greens |
| 12:50.43 | Industrial | :p |
| 12:50.47 | Pneumatus | RatingBuster |
| 12:50.50 | Industrial | just want to have whats best |
| 12:50.57 | Pneumatus | its pretty incomplete on wotlk tho |
| 12:52.07 | Maldivia | why us ut incomplete? |
| 12:52.26 | Maldivia | s/us ut/is it/ |
| 12:52.38 | Pneumatus | it doesnt take (at least some) talents into account |
| 12:53.15 | Maldivia | ahh - was only thing about the converting ratings part |
| 12:53.49 | Pneumatus | the rating conversion part seems ok i think, but actually working out the difference against your current gear can be wonky |
| 12:54.24 | Industrial | oh, I meant Pawn :< |
| 12:54.28 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10117-Pawn.html |
| 12:54.29 | Industrial | found it |
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| 13:07.36 | Industrial | er |
| 13:07.43 | Industrial | Unable to Connect ? |
| 13:07.50 | Industrial | nm |
| 13:08.26 | Lopeppeppy | ~poke Industrial |
| 13:08.26 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Industrial, pokes Industrial repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 13:30.07 | Industrial | now i know why im havign aggro problems on my hunter |
| 13:30.11 | Industrial | they nerfed kill command :< |
| 13:30.24 | cncfanatics | kill command ? |
| 13:30.27 | cncfanatics | what does that do anyway ? |
| 13:30.33 | Industrial | it used to make my pet do high thread attack whenever I made a crit |
| 13:30.41 | Industrial | threat* |
| 13:31.11 | Industrial | now its a 2min cd pet buff that increases its damage by abilities by 60% |
| 13:31.25 | Industrial | for 3 attacks |
| 13:31.30 | Industrial | tyvm! |
| 13:31.37 | Industrial | now im grabbing aggro all the time |
| 13:31.41 | Industrial | have to kite about every mob.. |
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| 13:35.41 | cbreak | I have to do the same |
| 13:35.50 | cbreak | my water elemental just can't keep agro :( |
| 13:35.55 | Industrial | ;P |
| 13:36.49 | foxlit | So is that your tanking-specced pet? |
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| 13:40.58 | jnwhiteh | I've removed that damn OnJoin message |
| 13:41.01 | jnwhiteh | who keeps adding shit like that |
| 13:41.55 | jnwhiteh | any idea Fisker- ? |
| 13:42.00 | jnwhiteh | so I can stab them |
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| 13:42.47 | foxlit | ohnoes, it's a cladhaire clone :) |
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| 13:43.13 | jnwhiteh | clone? |
| 13:43.15 | jnwhiteh | not so much |
| 13:43.18 | jnwhiteh | me at the office, surely :P |
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| 13:43.24 | jnwhiteh | plus I want to get people used to this name imo |
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| 13:44.05 | krka | reminds me too much of ckknight |
| 13:44.56 | jnwhiteh | its the name I use everywhere on the internet |
| 13:44.59 | jnwhiteh | quite literally |
| 13:45.16 | jnwhiteh | I only went with Cladhaire initially for.. I don't even know :P |
| 13:45.21 | jnwhiteh | cause that's who I posted as on the wow forums |
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| 13:49.14 | ckknight | down with the internets! |
| 13:49.30 | jnwhiteh | ckknight: i hate tubez |
| 13:49.34 | ckknight | krka: I don't see what the big deal is |
| 13:50.01 | jnwhiteh | ckknight: you're just a cheater cause first-middle-lastname for you fits in 8 characters |
| 13:50.06 | jnwhiteh | i get a damn abbreviation :P |
| 13:50.13 | ckknight | hehe |
| 13:50.22 | Lopeppeppy | I can tell the difference.... |
| 13:50.29 | ckknight | most places support >8 chars, though |
| 13:50.35 | ckknight | why not just use the full name where you can? |
| 13:51.08 | jnwhiteh | ckknight: historical at this point, my first legal .edu account was this abbrev, whereas before I was jwhitehe (which I didn't like as much) |
| 13:51.16 | ckknight | also, because it'll bug me immensely, what's the 'n' stand for? |
| 13:51.18 | jnwhiteh | then with the open source work I've done, and other projects |
| 13:51.19 | jnwhiteh | norman |
| 13:51.25 | ckknight | okay |
| 13:51.27 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.38 | jnwhiteh | named for my father, and my grandfather (and his father, actually) |
| 13:51.53 | ckknight | shouldn't you be IV, then? |
| 13:51.57 | Lopeppeppy | Then why are you only a... yeah! |
| 13:51.58 | jnwhiteh | well no |
| 13:52.01 | jnwhiteh | my grandfather was Norman |
| 13:52.04 | haste | jnwhiteh: norman -> nordmann -> norwegian, har har har |
| 13:52.04 | jnwhiteh | but his father was James |
| 13:52.13 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, okay, now I get it. |
| 13:52.17 | jnwhiteh | and my being the second |
| 13:52.19 | jnwhiteh | cause II > JR |
| 13:52.28 | ckknight | agreed |
| 13:52.36 | alestane | As in, Clad's named for his father, and Clad father is named for HIS father and grandfatehr. |
| 13:52.53 | alestane | bleh, typing too fast. |
| 13:53.09 | jnwhiteh | correct |
| 13:53.54 | Lopeppeppy | I dated someone once who was a II. When I called his house looking for John, I always had to specify "the younger". It was silly. I like nicknames sometimes. |
| 13:53.59 | krka | i never understood why you'd want to name your kid after yourself |
| 13:54.01 | krka | it's just confusing |
| 13:54.11 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 13:54.13 | jnwhiteh | I love it :P |
| 13:54.15 | ckknight | krka: egomania |
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| 13:54.21 | Lopeppeppy | How many young girls would call looking for the senior? Not many, I should hope.... |
| 13:54.23 | krka | you're used to it though |
| 13:54.25 | ckknight | I could see myself doing it |
| 13:54.33 | krka | me too |
| 13:54.39 | ckknight | granted, I'll likely name my kid after my father or grandfather first |
| 13:54.39 | krka | (you doing it, that is) |
| 13:54.55 | nevcairiel | Crazy US habbits |
| 13:54.57 | alestane | Some people regard the legacy as the important thing. |
| 13:55.02 | nevcairiel | I'll just think iof some new name! |
| 13:55.12 | foxlit | UnitGUID("person") |
| 13:55.30 | Lopeppeppy | Legacy is important, for true. But pick a use-name too! James Norman Christian Whitehead... Call him Chris every day! |
| 13:55.31 | alestane | Anyone know if there's a version of Baggins that works on Beta? |
| 13:55.31 | ckknight | children themselves are the ultimate form of egotism, little versions of oneself running around |
| 13:56.02 | nevcairiel | oh my |
| 13:56.08 | nevcairiel | i hope you never have children |
| 13:56.27 | cbreak | clone warriors, attack! |
| 13:56.29 | nevcairiel | j/k :P |
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| 13:57.22 | Dark_Elf | ah heck call him J-No |
| 13:57.45 | foxlit | I thought "Bob |
| 13:57.58 | foxlit | " was the only universally accepted name when someone has to be renamed :) |
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| 13:58.59 | ckknight | nevcairiel: the end goal for me is to have as many kids as I can feasibly afford |
| 13:59.22 | foxlit | Discounts for bulk purchases? |
| 13:59.33 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 13:59.39 | Rabbitbunny | tax rebates? |
| 13:59.51 | ckknight | fulfilling one's nihilistic destiny |
| 13:59.56 | ckknight | spreading the seed throughout the land |
| 13:59.56 | ckknight | etc. |
| 13:59.57 | Lopeppeppy | Be the sole supporter of a daycare center? |
| 14:00.09 | Lopeppeppy | ckknight, you can do that with a backhoe, you don't need kids. :) |
| 14:00.09 | p3lim | haste: is there some reason why every function by oUF carries around the event argument? |
| 14:00.59 | haste | why shouldn't they? there's many solutions that can be simplified by using the event name instead of units and such |
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| 14:01.20 | haste | it also makes it easier to see why the function was called as several events share a function |
| 14:01.40 | p3lim | ah yes |
| 14:01.52 | cbreak | purl you spammer |
| 14:01.59 | cbreak | you've said that four times already today |
| 14:02.27 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 14:02.28 | p3lim | say, if I should call UNIT_NAME_UPDATE without having the event around, it would be self.UNIT_NAME_UPDATE(self, 'UNIT_NAME_UPDATE', unit) |
| 14:02.29 | p3lim | right? |
| 14:02.33 | jnwhiteh | i removed that fucking onjoin |
| 14:02.44 | jnwhiteh | purl onjoin #wowuidev -fisker |
| 14:02.44 | purl | ok, jnwhiteh |
| 14:02.56 | Josh_Borke | ~lart jnwhiteh |
| 14:02.56 | purl | flings poo at jnwhiteh |
| 14:03.20 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker-!i=jnw@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by jnwhiteh (jnwhiteh) |
| 14:03.27 | jnwhiteh | oops.. thought he'd have rejoin on :P |
| 14:03.44 | foxlit | Does it matter if the nick is actually Fisker- and not -fisker? |
| 14:03.46 | Josh_Borke | it's against freenode policy :-P |
| 14:04.00 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: I did the exact name too |
| 14:04.10 | jnwhiteh | purl, onjoin -Fisker- |
| 14:04.10 | purl | jnwhiteh: ok |
| 14:04.15 | jnwhiteh | purl, onjoin #wowuidev -Fisker- |
| 14:04.15 | purl | jnwhiteh: ok |
| 14:04.18 | jnwhiteh | now we'll see |
| 14:04.25 | haste | p3lim: totally depends |
| 14:04.32 | foxlit | (needs chan option +OnJoin) |
| 14:04.33 | p3lim | haste: on what? |
| 14:04.39 | foxlit | why don't you just clear that, then? :) |
| 14:05.09 | haste | there's nothing requiring any event name now |
| 14:05.26 | foxlit | Plus, that's probably a default rather than a channel-specific message, so attempting to remove it for this channel might have no effect. |
| 14:05.34 | nevcairiel | purl help onjoin |
| 14:05.35 | haste | but it's good practice to have it |
| 14:05.59 | p3lim | so I could simply use self.UNIT_NAME_UPDATE(self, _, unit) ? |
| 14:06.06 | nevcairiel | purl, onjoin _default -Fisker- |
| 14:06.06 | purl | ok, nevcairiel |
| 14:06.29 | nevcairiel | that should fix that |
| 14:06.40 | foxlit | But meh |
| 14:06.42 | jnwhiteh | without a channel specified should work too |
| 14:06.45 | cbreak | purl, give me your password |
| 14:06.46 | purl | ACTION gives your password to cbreak |
| 14:06.47 | jnwhiteh | i've had to clear em before |
| 14:06.56 | foxlit | If you don't want onjoin messages in this channel, configure this channel properly :) |
| 14:07.01 | nevcairiel | 16:05:34) (nevcairiel) onjoin _default Fisker- |
| 14:07.01 | nevcairiel | (16:05:35) (purl) onjoin for fisker- set by g0urra on Mon Aug 4 15:38:05 2008: Fisker- my friend |
| 14:07.08 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: I don't want them in half the channels I use |
| 14:07.09 | nevcairiel | still reported it as set after you did it, though |
| 14:07.10 | jnwhiteh | they're stupid |
| 14:07.22 | jnwhiteh | especially when its something like that |
| 14:07.30 | jnwhiteh | Ackis's was hilarious |
| 14:07.36 | jnwhiteh | but only relevant to #wowace |
| 14:07.45 | jnwhiteh | so i cleared it from all others, and put it in wowace only |
| 14:08.03 | Punkie | what was it? |
| 14:08.25 | jnwhiteh | Dry-code incoming!! |
| 14:08.34 | Punkie | :D |
| 14:09.02 | Pneumatus | he drycodes on curse now as well, so it should be set for #curseforge also @:> |
| 14:10.14 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
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| 14:14.06 | alestane | No wonder my version of BBEdit Lite seems a little behind the times... |
| 14:14.10 | alestane | ...it's from 2001. |
| 14:14.12 | jnwhiteh | lol |
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| 14:15.05 | Lopeppeppy | ... alestane dear, throw out the old spoiled milk and buy some new on your way home. |
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| 14:16.59 | cbreak | I use Smultron currently. It's rather nice |
| 14:17.06 | cbreak | I don't like it's MDI though |
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| 14:18.55 | ckknight | I use TextMate, quite fond of it |
| 14:19.08 | jnwhiteh | MacVim |
| 14:19.12 | jnwhiteh | don't need much else :P |
| 14:19.27 | cbreak | I use vim in terminal... that's where it belongs |
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| 14:19.44 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: meh, that's one layer I don't need |
| 14:19.51 | jnwhiteh | I _HAVE_ it, and use it when appropriate |
| 14:19.57 | jnwhiteh | but i have no issue using it in its own window |
| 14:20.00 | jnwhiteh | gvim/macvim ftw |
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| 14:20.11 | Pneumatus | cat ftw |
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| 14:20.11 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o jnwhiteh] by ChanServ |
| 14:20.35 | haste | butterflies ftw |
| 14:20.44 | *** part/#wowuidev jnwhiteh (i=jnw@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire) |
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| 14:20.49 | Shirik | butterflies? |
| 14:20.49 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 14:20.52 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 14:20.55 | Shirik | I have to admit, I have made a program with cat before |
| 14:21.08 | haste | Shirik: http://xkcd.com/378/ |
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| 14:21.22 | cbreak | TextMate isn't free :( |
| 14:21.26 | Shirik | We had no way to communicate between the robot and one of our hosts, so "cat /dev/ser1 > ~/foo.cpp" |
| 14:21.33 | Shirik | haste: I know :P |
| 14:21.36 | Shirik | That's why I said butterflies |
| 14:21.58 | haste | you had a question mark! |
| 14:22.04 | Shirik | because nobody mentionedi t! |
| 14:22.08 | haste | I had |
| 14:22.16 | Pneumatus | the only thing more fun than coding with cat, is coding with echo >> |
| 14:22.16 | Shirik | negative good sir |
| 14:22.18 | Shirik | (10:20:27) (@Shirik) butterflies? |
| 14:22.18 | Shirik | (10:20:35) (haste) butterflies ftw |
| 14:22.24 | haste | haaaa~ |
| 14:22.52 | haste | http://hastey.pastey.net/93694-2wmq ! |
| 14:23.08 | Shirik | I get a ton of lag while logging in :( |
| 14:23.26 | Shirik | I think freenode severely throttles traffic while you're spamming with join requests, etc. |
| 14:23.41 | Shirik | happens every time |
| 14:23.47 | jnwhiteh | its the /who on each channel that's so spensive |
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| 14:25.29 | Punkie | has anyone been finding that loads of youtube clips are 'no longer available' recently? :( |
| 14:25.39 | Shirik | yeah |
| 14:25.44 | Shirik | but if you refresh them, it works |
| 14:25.49 | Shirik | at least that's what I've seen |
| 14:26.01 | Punkie | oh, hmm ok |
| 14:27.52 | selckin | i always get pissed off when it says not available in your country |
| 14:27.59 | Shirik | it says that? |
| 14:28.11 | selckin | sometimes yea |
| 14:28.19 | selckin | specially on like music videos |
| 14:28.44 | selckin | or some things added by the big evil american tv networks |
| 14:31.09 | Punkie | songza.com is pretty good, even though im pretty sure it uses youtube amongst other sources |
| 14:31.25 | Punkie | better than nothing, at least :) |
| 14:31.30 | p3lim | haste: updateName(self, _, unit) would work ok? |
| 14:31.52 | Shirik | I really hope you're not suggesting making that call like that |
| 14:32.03 | haste | yes it will work, but not recommended |
| 14:32.08 | p3lim | o |
| 14:32.10 | p3lim | ok* |
| 14:32.13 | haste | why are you trying to waki events anyawy? |
| 14:32.30 | Shirik | Never.... never.... never.... send random crap into a call |
| 14:32.30 | nevcairiel | to waki? is that a verb? |
| 14:32.30 | p3lim | waki? |
| 14:32.59 | Shirik | that's how you get people made about stupid things like http://jira.norganna.org/browse/APPR-175 |
| 14:33.21 | p3lim | haste: http://pastey.net/93695 |
| 14:33.23 | haste | lol waki is a typo ! |
| 14:33.26 | haste | of fake |
| 14:33.43 | Shirik | bad man |
| 14:33.46 | haste | w is next to f, a is correct, k is correct, i is next to e |
| 14:33.54 | Shirik | Not only are you sending something to the call that you don't know what it is |
| 14:34.02 | Shirik | you also have a random GETGLOBAL/GETUPVALUE in there |
| 14:34.15 | haste | you can just send nil if it's inside your layout |
| 14:34.27 | Shirik | if you don't send nil it's incorrect imo :P |
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| 14:34.45 | p3lim | Shirik: random GETGLOBAL/GETVALUE? |
| 14:34.49 | Shirik | yes, the _ |
| 14:34.57 | Shirik | you have to look up what _ is |
| 14:35.13 | haste | probably your class or something :p |
| 14:35.19 | haste | it was a shapeshift before 2.1 |
| 14:35.39 | Shirik | No I meant it has to look up the contents of the _ variable |
| 14:35.41 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.51 | haste | that makes it local |
| 14:35.56 | Kraps | anyone able to tell me if this lvl 58 build is good? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0xzZVV0Vxxoiuo |
| 14:35.57 | haste | so not really an issue there |
| 14:36.04 | haste | anyway, nil or a string |
| 14:36.05 | p3lim | but I will either use nil or a string of the event instead |
| 14:36.49 | Shirik | using _ to pass arguments causes people like me to find bugs later and then yell at them for passing random functions to formerly reserved parameters and breaking things |
| 14:36.51 | p3lim | Kraps: its ok |
| 14:36.51 | Shirik | >.> |
| 14:37.10 | p3lim | Kraps: id use it :) |
| 14:37.22 | Kraps | thanks :) |
| 14:37.31 | durcyn | (select(2, UnitClass("player")) dammit. |
| 14:37.52 | durcyn | _ is damage. |
| 14:37.54 | p3lim | yes I use that too, but some use the non-select way |
| 14:38.07 | Kraps | p3lim: where should my next few points go? |
| 14:38.09 | Shirik | !!! |
| 14:38.11 | Shirik | durcyn, no! |
| 14:38.19 | Shirik | select is slow |
| 14:38.20 | jnwhiteh | the select way is fail in a critical path |
| 14:38.30 | jnwhiteh | if its not a critical path, then yeah |
| 14:38.38 | p3lim | Kraps: imp WW, imp zergstance, Rampage then fill up on impale etc on arms |
| 14:38.48 | durcyn | uh, UnitClass isn't the sort of thing you call more than once per session. |
| 14:38.57 | Shirik | I don't see a good reason for its use even in something that is not a hotspot :P |
| 14:39.03 | Kraps | p3 ty very much |
| 14:39.12 | Shirik | local _, class = UnitClass("player") |
| 14:39.15 | jnwhiteh | durcyn: you should check KTM then |
| 14:39.22 | jnwhiteh | durcyn: cause it called UnitClass onupdate :P |
| 14:39.23 | Shirik | is that less readable thanlocal class = select(2, UnitClass("player")) |
| 14:39.24 | Shirik | ? |
| 14:39.30 | durcyn | what the fuck? |
| 14:39.34 | jnwhiteh | just in case the player stopped being, or became a hunter |
| 14:39.38 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: Is that really a fair comparison? |
| 14:39.38 | p3lim | local class, rclass = UnitClass('player') there you have it |
| 14:39.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:39.41 | jnwhiteh | cause it changed threat calculations |
| 14:39.53 | jnwhiteh | and i know my druid becomes a hunter reguarly |
| 14:40.09 | Lopeppeppy | New shapeshift ability, jnwhiteh? |
| 14:40.14 | jnwhiteh | word! |
| 14:40.24 | matt1s | LuaEclipse or AddonStudio? |
| 14:40.26 | Hirsute | Oooh, really? For druids? |
| 14:40.40 | p3lim | warlocks becomes illidans now, aswell everyone can be turned into a ghoul upon death |
| 14:40.42 | p3lim | :p |
| 14:40.45 | Lopeppeppy | Hirsute, I'm just yanking his chain. :) |
| 14:40.51 | Hirsute | Oh, sad |
| 14:41.00 | Hirsute | I know about the demon form for locks. |
| 14:41.18 | krka | i agree with p3lim, it's probably best to explicitly name the return values, even if they are not used |
| 14:41.21 | Hirsute | And the death knights stuff. I was just hoping that druids would get more shape-shifting goodness. |
| 14:41.32 | jnwhiteh | krka: thats waht I tend to do, it makes much more sense |
| 14:41.45 | jnwhiteh | imo |
| 14:42.00 | krka | though i have also used _ a lot |
| 14:42.12 | jnwhiteh | aye, guilty as well |
| 14:42.16 | p3lim | ive used select lately just because i dont need to care about the locals when calling the class in the middle of a func, but once i finish the code I swap over to using that local |
| 14:42.28 | jnwhiteh | the other thing is |
| 14:42.31 | p3lim | Hirsute: druids get polarbear forms! :D |
| 14:42.33 | jnwhiteh | going to select is lossy |
| 14:42.56 | jnwhiteh | i.e. local class,enClass = UnitClass("player") => select(2, UnitClass("player") |
| 14:43.01 | p3lim | idd |
| 14:43.08 | Hirsute | +800 to frost resist |
| 14:43.08 | Tem | wow I have to be careful reading lk posts from warriors. |
| 14:43.12 | jnwhiteh | you can't go back without looking up what args come before/after |
| 14:43.14 | Tem | Their QQ has a tendancy to enrage me |
| 14:43.23 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 14:43.25 | Shirik | the correct question is not "Why not use select" |
| 14:43.30 | Shirik | The correct question is "Why use select?" |
| 14:43.35 | Shirik | You gain nothing and pay for it |
| 14:43.41 | Tem | aparently, I'm so sick of playing second fiddle to warriors that I have zero sympathy for them |
| 14:43.46 | Hirsute | Tem: What are Warriors qqing about now? |
| 14:43.46 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: you gain nothing in some cases |
| 14:43.48 | jnwhiteh | don't obtuse |
| 14:43.49 | krka | Shirik: it's basically like marriage |
| 14:43.49 | Shirik | in this case |
| 14:43.52 | Shirik | you gain nothing |
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| 14:43.59 | jnwhiteh | correct :P |
| 14:44.01 | Tem | Hirsute: QQ we aren't the only ones who can MT anymore |
| 14:44.07 | jnwhiteh | you didn't qualify your statement to only this case |
| 14:44.16 | krka | imo, select is only useful when the index is not constant |
| 14:44.29 | lua_bot | my mom is not constant |
| 14:44.33 | Shirik | I used select yesterday for your code, obviously I have some use for it :P |
| 14:44.39 | Hirsute | Well, as far as I can tell, a Prot Warrior takes the biggest cuts in solo play for MTing, I don't think it's unreasonable for them to want to be better at it than other classes |
| 14:44.43 | jnwhiteh | I need to finish that addon |
| 14:44.44 | jnwhiteh | actually |
| 14:44.56 | Hirsute | That's just me, though. |
| 14:45.06 | lua_bot | *lick* Tem |
| 14:45.22 | Tem | Hirsute: they're getting pretty large buffs in the soloing department in LK |
| 14:45.44 | Hirsute | Haven't had a chance to play with that yet, if so, then yay! |
| 14:45.45 | Tem | I'd say prot pallies take the biggest hit to their soloing ability |
| 14:45.59 | Tem | and they ARE the best at their niche |
| 14:46.11 | Tem | (lol consecrate spam) |
| 14:46.26 | Hirsute | Tem: I'm not an expert, but they seem to be able to kill things faster than Prot warriors, which is the biggest drawback to soloing as a prot warrior. |
| 14:46.36 | Tem | neither am I |
| 14:46.48 | Tem | but I don't think that the "I suck at soloing" argument is valid |
| 14:47.06 | Tem | what you do outside of the raid has no bearing on your abilities during the raid |
| 14:48.41 | Hirsute | It does in that for a Prot Warrior to be able to MT in raids, he has to give up a lot of damage-causing talents, so it directly affects his ability to play outside of raid. |
| 14:49.41 | Lopeppeppy | I know a prot warrior who does just fine in his own farming, keeping his prot talents. No harder than a holy pallie, and he can't heal himself. |
| 14:50.39 | Hirsute | Fair enough. I've never known a Prot warrior that doesn't take 2-3 times as long to kill a mob as an equivalently geared pally of any spec. |
| 14:51.02 | Hirsute | But that's anecdotal. |
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| 14:52.14 | nevcairiel | Heh, Kaspersky reports WoW.exe as a virus (again), yay for false positives |
| 14:52.22 | Fisker- | go kick someone else ;_; |
| 14:52.28 | Lopeppeppy | Mine balances yours. *gentle shrug* Half of it is about attitude, half is about gear, half is about what you enjoy doing. :) |
| 14:53.22 | Hirsute | Aye. I leveled as a prot warrior pretty much all the way to 70. I'm *never* doing it again. I've since leveled a mage, hunter and lock. All of them were much, much easier to play solo |
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| 14:54.45 | Shirik | Hirsute: Try holy priest :) |
| 14:54.48 | Shirik | it's fun |
| 14:55.40 | Hirsute | Nah, my buddy who introduced me to WoW did that, and I watched. Also on my list of *do not want* |
| 14:55.40 | Tem | I tried a little as a resto druid |
| 14:55.45 | Tem | _fuck_ that |
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| 14:56.00 | SeiferTim | Hello |
| 14:56.01 | Hirsute | I also levelled a resto druid. I'd much prefer that to doing a prot warrior again. |
| 14:56.11 | Tem | healers are going to be rare as hell during the level to 80 |
| 14:56.24 | Tem | I can't imagine anyone keeping their healer spec |
| 14:56.39 | Hirsute | If I ever level a priest it'll be levelled as shadow or disc, then respec'd near max level |
| 14:56.41 | Tem | well, I guess my real problem is that I hate the balance playstyle |
| 14:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | I leveled a paladin holy, and a priest holy, and a druid resto. :) I'm not changing them for 70-80. I'll just get farmed through instances by my friends as their healer. |
| 14:56.45 | Tem | so I can't fake it very well |
| 14:57.14 | Shirik | Tem: I love healing :) |
| 14:57.16 | Lukian | Tem, ret paladins can heal |
| 14:57.29 | Tem | Lukian: ? |
| 14:57.48 | Cide | if by can you mean can't, sure. |
| 14:57.49 | Hirsute | I know my warrior is working on getting some dps gear together right now. When Wrath hits, he'll respec arms or fury, depending on how the talents end up and level that way for a bit. |
| 14:57.49 | Lukian | 30% of AP to spellpower (thus ~60% of AP is +heal) |
| 14:58.00 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Cide!n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (gtfo my happy place) |
| 14:58.03 | Shirik | wait |
| 14:58.06 | Shirik | oops |
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| 14:58.10 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 14:58.12 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 14:58.14 | Shirik | sorry cide :( |
| 14:58.15 | Cide | I'll kill you |
| 14:58.19 | Shirik | I thought that was at me |
| 14:58.27 | Cide | haha, what? :P |
| 14:58.33 | Cide | oh |
| 14:58.37 | Tem | shirik: I rather like it as well, but that doesn't mean I wanna level like a boomkin with resto talents |
| 14:58.44 | Cide | I would never, Shirik! |
| 14:58.52 | Shirik | oh you totally would |
| 14:58.54 | Shirik | what are you talking about |
| 14:58.59 | Cide | I know |
| 14:59.09 | Cide | but you said "like". not "can" |
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| 15:00.18 | pb_ee1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds4I_7M90qw |
| 15:00.39 | krka | why is Shirik op here? |
| 15:00.57 | Fisker- | because it beats me being opped |
| 15:01.51 | |pez| | krka: why shouldn't Shirik be op here? |
| 15:02.00 | Anaral | *smirk* Blizzard's email response to my character copy issue was a canned response about their billing and account page, their recommendation is that I use a different webbrowser. lol. At least they actually fixed the character copy issue, even if the response doesn't match. |
| 15:02.09 | Shirik | krka: Because I'm wowi staff? |
| 15:02.17 | krka | don't reverse my question |pez|! |
| 15:02.25 | krka | ah i see |
| 15:02.37 | Shirik | are you just noticing? |
| 15:02.41 | Shirik | This is like 8 months late :P |
| 15:02.50 | krka | how would i notice you are wowi staff? |
| 15:03.05 | Shirik | well I've been op here :P |
| 15:04.27 | Fisker- | Shirik is my bestest friend actually |
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| 15:04.35 | Fisker- | he's so cuddlywuddly |
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| 15:06.59 | AckisWork | DARKGuy: http://ackis.myminicity.com/ind if you please :D |
| 15:07.10 | alestane | Anyone else notice that the Minimap tracker on Beta has "Low-level Quests" as a tracking option? |
| 15:07.27 | AckisWork | :) |
| 15:07.30 | nevcairiel | alestane: yeah, i think some blue post even said this would happen :) |
| 15:07.31 | DARKGuy | <3 |
| 15:07.33 | pb_ee1 | alestane: i didn't. |
| 15:07.35 | AckisWork | alestane: yes :D it's sweet |
| 15:08.22 | Lopeppeppy | Very sweet. |
| 15:08.41 | Hirsute | And that video is awesome |
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| 15:09.00 | DARKGuy | What video? |
| 15:09.02 | DARKGuy | what is sweet? |
| 15:09.36 | Lopeppeppy | It's sweet that one can track low-level quests in Beta, which is something that's been extremely often asked for. |
| 15:10.27 | nevcairiel | especially for the quest achievements in outland ;) |
| 15:11.14 | Rabbitbunny | SeiferTim: Wow. You're fast. |
| 15:11.23 | SeiferTim | :P |
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| 15:11.48 | Rabbitbunny | WHat server are you on? |
| 15:12.07 | SeiferTim | Khaz Modan |
| 15:12.12 | Rabbitbunny | US? |
| 15:12.52 | SeiferTim | Yah |
| 15:13.25 | SeiferTim | Sorry, I'm at work, fixing Database problems, so my attention is a little divided |
| 15:13.27 | SeiferTim | lol |
| 15:13.31 | Rabbitbunny | lol |
| 15:14.01 | Rabbitbunny | what faction? |
| 15:14.56 | SeiferTim | Alliance |
| 15:15.27 | SeiferTim | Although, it is PvE, so I could make a horde char |
| 15:17.45 | Rabbitbunny | You know the charter shop in SW? |
| 15:18.05 | SeiferTim | Yup |
| 15:18.19 | Rabbitbunny | I'ma running with my leet sheild |
| 15:18.28 | SeiferTim | You're on now? |
| 15:19.24 | SeiferTim | I can't log on now... |
| 15:19.45 | Rabbitbunny | Yup, whenever you're ready I can spam you. I've got a little thing to do in a bout an hour and another little thing this evening, but other than then, whenever. |
| 15:19.59 | SeiferTim | ok, that's cool. Thanks |
| 15:20.00 | Rabbitbunny | ..you're at work ;) |
| 15:20.03 | SeiferTim | yeah |
| 15:20.05 | SeiferTim | lol |
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| 15:26.35 | Lopeppeppy | brb, sheeples. |
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| 15:38.54 | Shirik | So I'm showing one of my developers Crucible which we started using, explaining to him how to work it, so I create a review on a change that we made a while ago and show him how to add comments, etc. I say to him "Okay, now just click that 'complete' button and you're done" and he's all "Now now, But I want to actually read the code!" and he ended up finding 3 defects :< |
| 15:40.55 | cbreak | hey, at least you have a team to blame :) |
| 15:41.25 | cbreak | and developers who can find defects just by reading.. :) |
| 15:41.37 | Shirik | I mean, it wasn't a big deal |
| 15:41.52 | Shirik | I think on QNX it wouldn't have actually caused a problem anyway |
| 15:41.52 | Shirik | but the behavior was undefined |
| 15:42.00 | Shirik | delete of new[]'ed memory, etc. |
| 15:44.46 | DARKGuy | yay for code that writes broken code! :D |
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| 15:45.32 | DARKGuy | Shh, Tekkub arrived |
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| 15:53.28 | cladhaire | Anyone have any idea what the key values in the table returned from GetInventoryItemsForSlot() are? |
| 15:54.28 | cbreak | is that a new function? |
| 15:54.34 | cladhaire | yes |
| 15:55.36 | cladhaire | the values are the items |
| 15:55.40 | cladhaire | the keys, are a mystery :P |
| 15:59.40 | Duman | what do they look like? |
| 15:59.58 | cladhaire | i'd have to log onto another character |
| 16:00.03 | Duman | ah |
| 16:00.04 | cladhaire | but they're long numbers, and they're close |
| 16:00.07 | cladhaire | one sec |
| 16:00.40 | cbreak | a bit mask? or an id? |
| 16:00.55 | cladhaire | 1048592 = 12282 |
| 16:01.09 | cladhaire | when its equipped |
| 16:01.19 | cladhaire | 3145741 = 12282 when its not. |
| 16:01.20 | cladhaire | for example |
| 16:01.25 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 16:01.35 | cladhaire | the first number changes depending on which slot in my bag its in |
| 16:01.43 | Maldivia | Tekkub: yes |
| 16:01.45 | cladhaire | this could be very very interesting :P |
| 16:01.56 | Tekkub | Maldivia, WTB decoder :) |
| 16:02.09 | Maldivia | Tekkub: just do the reverse, it's easy :) |
| 16:02.19 | Tekkub | says you! |
| 16:02.26 | Duman | yeah look lsike a bitmask |
| 16:02.27 | alestane | Yay! The Theramore-Menthil boat is back! |
| 16:02.30 | Duman | of some sort |
| 16:02.34 | Duman | lots of zeros in those numbers |
| 16:02.48 | cladhaire | :P |
| 16:02.50 | cbreak | yes. |
| 16:02.56 | Duman | 1048592 |
| 16:02.56 | Duman | 100000000000000010000 |
| 16:02.56 | Duman | 3145741 |
| 16:02.56 | Duman | 1100000000000000001101 |
| 16:02.56 | cladhaire | lets figure out what now :P |
| 16:02.59 | Maldivia | Tekkub: it's a simple base64 encoding of a long bit pattern, just uses the 0x30 - 0x6f chars as 64 chars |
| 16:03.05 | Duman | (prepend a 0 on the first one) |
| 16:03.11 | Tekkub | Maldivia, I'd like to see an agreed upon "protocol" for exchanging links on the addon channel so many different addons con share em |
| 16:03.26 | cladhaire | which is slot one in the backpack? |
| 16:03.56 | cladhaire | cause the first 3145741 was the bottom left slot in the backpack |
| 16:04.06 | Duman | so that first one is "16" with 1 high bit... the second is "13" with two high bits |
| 16:04.07 | Gnarfoz | upper left |
| 16:04.09 | Gnarfoz | is 1 |
| 16:04.38 | cbreak | what is the function good for anyway? |
| 16:04.45 | Gnarfoz | not sure about bags with a half-row as first row |
| 16:04.53 | cladhaire | gives you a table of the items in your bags/inventory for a given inventory slot |
| 16:05.13 | Maldivia | Tekkub: I can write you a simple decoder, that outputs spellId (using the Data.lua file included in the addon) if you want? |
| 16:05.32 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.59 | Tekkub | anywho, I'm off to lunch and Imax with the mothers |
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| 16:15.09 | Shirik | Anyone have any recommendations on project management software? |
| 16:15.13 | cbreak | looks like a packed representation of bag and slot coordinates imho. |
| 16:15.18 | Shirik | Preferably something web-accessible to help sync everyone |
| 16:16.21 | cbreak | you're not speaking of a version control system? |
| 16:16.44 | Shirik | no I mean something that can track who's doing what, etc. |
| 16:16.47 | Shirik | This goes beyond software now |
| 16:17.03 | Shirik | This involves the entire team; software, mechanical, electrical, |
| 16:17.05 | Shirik | etc. |
| 16:17.06 | cbreak | the last byte seems to represent the slot in the bag. some bits before that seem to indicate the bag |
| 16:17.23 | cladhaire | cbreak: that would be awesome |
| 16:17.32 | cladhaire | I'll have to play with it later |
| 16:17.45 | cbreak | the slot seems to be binary, the bag seems to be like a flag |
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| 16:18.12 | cbreak | (a single 1 bit to identify the bag). Well, I am just guessing so far |
| 16:18.56 | End | Shirik: replace them with robots? |
| 16:19.02 | End | the team I mean |
| 16:19.09 | Shirik | robots building robots |
| 16:19.13 | End | yes! |
| 16:19.13 | Shirik | I don't find this to be a good idea |
| 16:19.21 | End | I think it's an awesome idea! |
| 16:19.24 | End | What can go wrong? |
| 16:19.31 | End | What...can...go...wrong? |
| 16:20.20 | cbreak | the backpack seems different than my other bags |
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| 16:21.14 | cladhaire | cbreak: it is |
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| 16:26.08 | cbreak | it seems wasteful to store the bag something is in as field of boleans. |
| 16:26.11 | Tem | oh shi-- |
| 16:26.20 | Tem | cladhaire: do you realize what that is probably a precursor for>? |
| 16:26.30 | cladhaire | your mom? |
| 16:26.31 | Tem | blizzard itemrack |
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| 16:26.56 | cbreak | it can only be terrible. |
| 16:26.58 | cladhaire | aye |
| 16:27.13 | Tem | cbreak: I disagree wholeheartedly |
| 16:27.21 | Shirik | pop quiz: Who sees what's wrong with this call? math.pow(2.71828, -0.00386405*EZMweeksRating2v2) |
| 16:27.25 | cbreak | that's good :) |
| 16:27.42 | Tem | they can do things in theirs that are impossible for addons |
| 16:27.51 | Tem | like actually freeing up space in our bags |
| 16:28.00 | cbreak | yes, but they can put that in a totally crappy interface. |
| 16:28.03 | Tem | maybe the front end will lack some features that players would like |
| 16:28.08 | Tem | but that's totally fixable |
| 16:28.10 | Hirsute | <--Will be happy to have the Blizz Itemrack |
| 16:28.33 | durcyn | bollocks to a front-end, they also mentioned storing gear outside of normal bags as part of it |
| 16:28.47 | cbreak | instead of making a crappy item rack clone they should rather give a good api for it |
| 16:29.03 | zenzelezz | they talked about arrangements for resistance gear and similar some time ago, didn't they? (Without details or promises) |
| 16:29.23 | Tem | cbreak: *sigh* I resent your pessimism |
| 16:29.29 | cbreak | they also said that they won't do any resistance based fights like huhuran anymore. |
| 16:29.46 | Tem | *cough* Mother Sharaz *cough* |
| 16:29.55 | cbreak | yes :/ |
| 16:30.35 | durcyn | at one point a blizzard employee also promised me some cake. yet here i remain, cakeless. |
| 16:30.55 | zenzelezz | it doesn't matter if they don't make fights anymore where most of the raid needs resistance; tanks still needed several sets for BC, and probably will for WotLK too |
| 16:31.13 | zenzelezz | hybrid classes probably also want some help with their multiple sets |
| 16:31.33 | cbreak | that's probably why they increase our bag space by removing the need for some items to take up that space |
| 16:31.52 | cbreak | I saved about 20 or 30 slots to mount and mini pet changes |
| 16:32.04 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 16:32.12 | zenzelezz | that's a lot of pets (or mounts) |
| 16:32.25 | amro | ~seen kirov |
| 16:32.28 | purl | kirov <n=Kirov@c-71-198-140-70.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 10h 52m 33s ago, saying: 'I haven't played the beta yet, nor do I plan to until the game actually comes out.'. |
| 16:32.28 | cbreak | you should see my collection of robes :) |
| 16:32.33 | Shirik | cladhaire: http://wowi.pastey.net/93703 |
| 16:32.40 | zenzelezz | cbreak: and wizard hats? |
| 16:32.47 | cbreak | only one. |
| 16:32.55 | cladhaire | h8 |
| 16:33.01 | Shirik | :P |
| 16:34.08 | amro | anyone around good at C++? |
| 16:34.53 | Shirik | sure |
| 16:34.54 | Shirik | what's up |
| 16:34.56 | cbreak | ~define "good" |
| 16:34.57 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 16:35.10 | Shirik | C++ is <3 <3 <3 |
| 16:35.40 | amro | I'm storing data in a vector<void*>. I can get basic types fine, but I'm having trouble pulling out string* |
| 16:35.54 | cbreak | eeeew |
| 16:35.56 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:35.57 | Shirik | die |
| 16:36.07 | zenzelezz | o_O |
| 16:36.08 | Shirik | after that, void* can't be implicitly converted to a std::string* |
| 16:36.09 | cbreak | void pointers are evil. |
| 16:36.15 | Shirik | so you would have to reinterpret_cast it |
| 16:36.29 | amro | gotcha |
| 16:36.33 | Shirik | so like |
| 16:36.56 | Shirik | std::cout << *reinterpret_cast<std::string*>(foo[1]) |
| 16:37.04 | amro | reinterpret_cast<string*>(data[i])->c_str() |
| 16:37.15 | Shirik | sure |
| 16:37.20 | amro | thanks! |
| 16:37.24 | Shirik | but you really need to not be using void* |
| 16:37.30 | Shirik | :P |
| 16:37.41 | amro | what would be a better solution? I need to store arbitrary types |
| 16:37.51 | cbreak | polymorphic wrapper classes maybe. |
| 16:37.55 | Shirik | Why do you need to store arbitrary types? |
| 16:37.59 | Shirik | What are you trying to do? |
| 16:38.26 | Shirik | Admittedly the only time I use void* is when I'm using certain C APIs |
| 16:38.50 | Shirik | and hell, even then sometimes I don't. I have a C function that could fill a buffer with two different types, for example. I use a union, not a void* |
| 16:39.11 | TC-Away | One Two Seven Dot |
| 16:39.11 | TC-Away | Zero Dot Zero Dot One |
| 16:39.11 | TC-Away | There's no place like home. |
| 16:39.29 | Shirik | I have a shirt like that Thunder_Child :) |
| 16:39.37 | Shirik | "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" |
| 16:39.42 | amro | I'm reading data from a file, and the format to expect from another. so the vector might have to store any mix of ints, floats and strings |
| 16:39.51 | Thunder_Child | but thats a haiku |
| 16:39.54 | cbreak | old school... ipv6 is where it's at |
| 16:39.54 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:39.55 | Shirik | nice |
| 16:40.05 | Shirik | ::1 is boring |
| 16:40.42 | Shirik | amro, I would probably agree with cbreak's decision then. ADmittedly it's a little harder to implement |
| 16:40.49 | Shirik | but the type safety and RTTI information arguably makes it worth it |
| 16:41.01 | Shirik | once you go through void*, you've lost all RTTI |
| 16:41.03 | zenzelezz | run-time type information information? |
| 16:41.07 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:41.23 | amro | that's not a problem, I can be 100% sure of type |
| 16:41.32 | amro | I just needed to go from void* to string* |
| 16:41.34 | Shirik | Oh I'm not saying what you did won't work |
| 16:41.36 | Shirik | it will totally work :) |
| 16:41.41 | Shirik | I'm just saying it's risk-prone :) |
| 16:41.43 | cbreak | but it's evil. |
| 16:41.48 | amro | yeah I don't liek it either |
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| 16:43.15 | DARKGuy | hey |
| 16:43.20 | Thunder_Child | http://www.geocities.com/goobervinsky/demonoidpbsmallb.png |
| 16:43.26 | DARKGuy | what's the difference between the slim and full TBC client installations? |
| 16:43.27 | amro | ill give a bit more details in case anyone can come up with a better solution... you can say the data is a table. first I read the column names and types from a file, then use the type data to read each row |
| 16:43.35 | AckisWork | DARKGuy: slim = streaming |
| 16:44.31 | DARKGuy | Ooooh |
| 16:44.33 | DARKGuy | AckisWork, thanks :D |
| 16:44.38 | amro | each row is is a vector<void*> |
| 16:47.05 | AckisWork | iirc you cannot do slim if you have a full account |
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| 16:49.48 | DARKGuy | AckisWork, really? |
| 16:50.27 | AckisWork | yes |
| 16:51.15 | cbreak | I used the streaming download in alpha, but it broken when beta came |
| 16:51.25 | cbreak | so I downloaded the full only. |
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| 17:04.39 | alestane | They finally implemented the Herbalism benefit. |
| 17:04.54 | nevcairiel | the self-heal? I'm not really impressed, though |
| 17:05.06 | nevcairiel | I can heal myself already |
| 17:05.09 | nevcairiel | :( |
| 17:05.13 | Shirik | amro: I personally favor the wrapped solution |
| 17:05.32 | Shirik | have a Cell class, which then has StringCell, NumberCell, WhateverCell |
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| 17:05.46 | Shirik | then you can just have a vector of Cell* |
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| 17:06.42 | Shirik | you can even provide a virtual casting operator to std::string to seamlessly be able to use it to output :) |
| 17:06.46 | p3lim | haste: ping |
| 17:06.52 | haste | p3lim: pong |
| 17:07.31 | p3lim | haste: how do you "disable" a module (happiness)? manual toc metadata change? |
| 17:07.40 | haste | I don't disable it |
| 17:07.47 | p3lim | what then? |
| 17:07.53 | haste | what what? :p |
| 17:08.00 | haste | there isn't any what? |
| 17:08.08 | nevcairiel | what what! |
| 17:08.08 | p3lim | weird |
| 17:08.20 | haste | I don't do anything with the "module" |
| 17:08.34 | nevcairiel | I thought you just dont get a display if you dont specify a frame |
| 17:10.11 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6762236543&sid=1 needs your wuv |
| 17:10.13 | amro | Shirik: yeah that works much better, I may do it when refactoring |
| 17:10.19 | p3lim | how do you 'overwrite' it then? |
| 17:10.30 | p3lim | just by registering the event? |
| 17:10.34 | Shirik | amro: You can certainly keep it the way you have it now |
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| 17:10.39 | Shirik | I just grow very nervous around void* in C++ |
| 17:10.45 | Shirik | In C I have no problem with it |
| 17:10.51 | haste | I do set a function on UNIT_HAPPINESS |
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| 17:11.01 | laeg | can anybody tell me what's wrong with this line? |
| 17:11.04 | amro | well C is almost entirely different :) |
| 17:11.06 | laeg | ./cast [nomod:alt,stealth] Sap; [nomod:alt,nostealth] Gouge; [mod:alt] [target=player] Heavy Runecloth Bandage |
| 17:11.18 | laeg | i get the bandage icon when i press alt but it doesn't target my character |
| 17:11.51 | p3lim | I think I got it now, thanks |
| 17:11.53 | laeg | ./cast [target=player] Heavy Runecloth Bandage - this works fine alone |
| 17:12.00 | Shirik | wow, that's ... incredibly annoying |
| 17:12.13 | Shirik | to use UIDropDownMenu_SetWidth, your frame has to have a name? |
| 17:12.21 | p3lim | yes |
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| 17:12.27 | p3lim | atleast I think so |
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| 17:14.16 | Shirik | omfg, I give up |
| 17:14.26 | Shirik | First I make a call to UIDropDownMenu_Initialise |
| 17:14.37 | Shirik | so I fix it to UIDropDownMenu_Initalize |
| 17:14.50 | Sastopher | laeg, you still around? |
| 17:14.54 | Shirik | and now I have UIDropDownMenu_Intialize(menu, function() |
| 17:14.56 | Sastopher | I don't have timestamps on my IRC |
| 17:15.11 | Shirik | I should go back to sleep |
| 17:15.25 | laeg | Sastopher: yup |
| 17:15.46 | Sastopher | Well, I'd have to test it to be sure, but I think you need to combine your last two conditions and separate them with a comma |
| 17:16.09 | Sastopher | I mean, you need to put target=player in with the conditional |
| 17:16.17 | laeg | isn't [target=player] an action rather than condition? |
| 17:16.25 | laeg | i'll test it |
| 17:16.31 | Slakah | laeg: yes |
| 17:16.34 | Sastopher | Yeah, I'm not certain with out testing |
| 17:17.40 | laeg | Sastopher: genius |
| 17:17.43 | laeg | ty ty :) |
| 17:17.46 | Sastopher | np |
| 17:18.27 | Sastopher | it might also work if you put target=player before the conditional |
| 17:18.44 | Sastopher | but... no |
| 17:19.09 | Sastopher | well, it will work |
| 17:19.18 | Sastopher | but it might do more than what you were looking for |
| 17:19.34 | Sastopher | if you decide to extend it later |
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| 17:22.06 | Shirik | Anyone here good with UIDropDownMenu? Do I seriously have to make a new closure for every element, even though all my choices do the same exact thing, because the function is called with no arguments? |
| 17:22.30 | Cide | no... |
| 17:22.32 | Cide | there's a global |
| 17:22.36 | Shirik | oh nice |
| 17:22.43 | Shirik | </sarcasm> |
| 17:22.46 | Cide | or "this" |
| 17:23.03 | Cide | I think I use this.value mostly |
| 17:23.43 | End | cant you set .arg1, .arg2, .arg3 in the info table? |
| 17:23.51 | End | or am I thinking of something else... |
| 17:23.55 | Cide | local dropdown = _G[UIDROPDOWNMENU_OPEN_MENU]; |
| 17:23.55 | Cide | if ( dropdown ) then |
| 17:23.55 | Cide | local value = this.value; |
| 17:23.56 | Cide | ... |
| 17:23.57 | Cide | end |
| 17:24.00 | Cide | is my code |
| 17:25.13 | Shirik | End: nope |
| 17:25.28 | Shirik | but yeah I guess that works Cide |
| 17:25.30 | |pez| | I need a domain name for a gamerblog |
| 17:25.34 | Shirik | as much as it makes me want to kill myself |
| 17:26.28 | End | the docs say it passes .arg1 and .arg2 |
| 17:26.31 | Wikwocket | speaking of dropdowns, is there a way to set a function that runs each time I mouseover an item in a dropdown? I want to do things with the game tooltip |
| 17:26.38 | End | in UIDropDownMenu.lua |
| 17:26.39 | Shirik | End: Just tested, it doesn't |
| 17:26.41 | Cide | Shirik: http://pastey.net/93709 full code |
| 17:26.47 | End | then the documentation needs to be updated |
| 17:26.52 | Shirik | wait |
| 17:26.57 | Shirik | maybe my test was wrong now that I think about it |
| 17:27.05 | End | because it very specifically says they get passed |
| 17:27.18 | End | and |
| 17:27.20 | End | if ( func ) then |
| 17:27.21 | End | func(self, self.arg1, self.arg2, checked); |
| 17:27.21 | End | else |
| 17:27.40 | End | I'm looking at wotlk version though |
| 17:27.52 | End | that's why it uses self, but I think the live version is pretty similar |
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| 17:28.42 | Shirik | yeah it does |
| 17:28.44 | Shirik | that's better |
| 17:28.47 | End | hehe |
| 17:29.00 | End | the number of args they let you is kinda on the small side though :-/ |
| 17:29.35 | Cide | use a table then :P |
| 17:30.01 | Shirik | I would have zero problem with them passing no arguments if they'd just pass the value |
| 17:30.08 | Cide | they do |
| 17:30.10 | Cide | this.value |
| 17:30.12 | Shirik | ... |
| 17:30.14 | Cide | or self.value in the wotlk code |
| 17:30.15 | Shirik | that's not passing |
| 17:30.21 | Cide | they pass self |
| 17:30.24 | Shirik | that's throwing crap in the middle of nowhere and hoping that you look for it |
| 17:30.30 | Cide | self.value contains the value |
| 17:30.30 | Shirik | ok in wotlk, maybe I'll give that to them |
| 17:30.32 | Shirik | live? No |
| 17:30.41 | Cide | it's not well designed |
| 17:30.50 | Cide | but at least you have access to it :P |
| 17:31.01 | Shirik | Conspiracy was better >.> |
| 17:31.05 | p3lim | haste: is there some hackish way to spawn dummy aura/buff/debuff ? |
| 17:31.26 | haste | there are ways, but they require you to edit oUF |
| 17:31.56 | p3lim | alot of editing? |
| 17:32.20 | haste | a couple of lines only |
| 17:33.17 | p3lim | oh |
| 17:33.25 | p3lim | you know this by head or..? :) |
| 17:33.58 | p3lim | would be really neat while making layouts |
| 17:33.58 | haste | just replace UnitBuff/UnitDebuff with your own local that always returns what you want |
| 17:34.12 | haste | try to think a little for once :p |
| 17:34.44 | p3lim | ill try :p |
| 17:35.23 | haste | also, Caellian has a question he wants answered :3 |
| 17:35.40 | p3lim | answered in PM |
| 17:36.02 | p3lim | hasnt replied yet so im not sure if it worked or not |
| 17:36.19 | haste | It's in the topic |
| 17:36.30 | NightHawkTheSane | GASP! Rolling stone is going smaller! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/11/business/media/11mag.html?_r=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin |
| 17:37.06 | haste | doomsday averted! |
| 17:37.20 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean hastened? |
| 17:37.24 | NightHawkTheSane | (no pun intended..) |
| 17:37.26 | haste | :D |
| 17:37.54 | haste | just as I clicked that link 'Rasputina - Doomsday Averted' started playing |
| 17:38.00 | haste | so I took that as a sign |
| 17:38.41 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
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| 17:43.00 | p3lim | neat! I just got it ;D |
| 17:43.32 | p3lim | thanks haste |
| 17:43.44 | devXero | is it possible to prevent a frame from appearing during an action in which it would normally appear? ( i.e. inspect frame ) |
| 17:44.45 | Gnarfoz | hook its show script? overwrite it even, maybe - or something |
| 17:44.55 | devXero | hmm |
| 17:44.56 | amro | devXero: frame:SetScript("OnShow", function() frame:Hide() end) |
| 17:45.17 | devXero | amro: thanks I'll try that |
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| 17:45.45 | Slakah | wouldn't frame:SetScript("OnShow", frame.hide) be better? |
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| 17:49.34 | devXero | looks like I have some reading to do on frames |
| 17:50.51 | Lopeppeppy | Always |
| 17:51.11 | devXero | up to this point it's all been lua code.. I've yet to do any actual interface work :) |
| 17:51.22 | alestane | I use frame.Show = function (self) end, myself. Then I can use frame.Show = nil to restore the old behavior. |
| 17:51.26 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Lopeppeppy |
| 17:51.26 | purl | whips out a sword and chops Lopeppeppy in half |
| 17:51.31 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, the difference between the two is semantic anyway. ;) |
| 17:51.48 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, Thunder_Child, do it again! *shiver* |
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| 17:51.58 | devXero | alestane: that's a good idea.. thanks, I don't want to permanetly hinder the frame, just only in certain situations |
| 17:52.03 | gaardsholt89 | Is it possible to make an addon to a 'SAY' if someone says something speciel ? and if so, could someone help me out? kinda n00bish to wow scripting |
| 17:52.24 | Thunder_Child | uhhh... Lunessa might not like me doing that to his woman Lopeppeppy |
| 17:52.30 | Lunessa | The vessel with the pestle has the brew which is true. The pellet with the poison is in the flagon with the dragon. |
| 17:52.51 | Thunder_Child | ofc since he seems to be crazy i guess it's ok |
| 17:53.30 | devXero | alestane: odd thing.. the Inspect Frame is named "InspectFrame" though, when I try something like InspectFrame:SetScript I get an error saying that InpsectFrame is a nil value |
| 17:53.49 | Pneumatus | gaardsholt89: SendChatMessage(message, "SAY) |
| 17:54.04 | Thunder_Child | look harder Lopeppeppy |
| 17:54.06 | devXero | this is the frame I want to work with http://wowcompares.com/2438606/AddOns/Blizzard_InspectUI/Blizzard_InspectUI.xml |
| 17:54.09 | Pneumatus | s/SAY/SAY"/ |
| 17:54.11 | haste | devXero: it's LoD |
| 17:54.25 | devXero | LoD? |
| 17:54.33 | haste | load on demand |
| 17:54.37 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder_Child, I so very much don't think so that it's this side of hilarious. :) Lunessa, tell him about the chazle with the poizle, if you please? |
| 17:54.39 | devXero | ah |
| 17:54.52 | devXero | anyway around that? |
| 17:55.09 | haste | you can use loadwith if you only need to edit it and nothing else |
| 17:55.12 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Or is it the other way around? |
| 17:55.25 | haste | else you can just listen for the addon loaded event |
| 17:55.41 | devXero | thanks |
| 17:55.42 | haste | and do your work when it loads |
| 17:55.44 | Lopeppeppy | No! The chalice from the palace has the pellet witht he poison! |
| 17:56.31 | Lunessa | If he dies, you die; and by my hand! |
| 17:56.44 | gaardsholt89 | I know that, but how do I make the addon check what a person said first, and after that "answers" it |
| 17:56.48 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: just SendChatMessage("hi, I'm writing a mod") will do, for "SAY" output :) |
| 17:56.55 | Pneumatus | fair enough |
| 17:58.48 | Gnarfoz | gaardsholt89: you'll have to make a frame, register it for the appropriate event (CHAT_MSG_TEXT ? I dunno for sure), create a function that processes that event (i.e. check for who said something, what did they say, does this match what I want to listen for, if so, reply) and set the frame's OnEvent script to use that function |
| 17:59.53 | gaardsholt89 | kk |
| 18:00.03 | Pneumatus | is there some tooltipfu that lets you re-draw a tooltip to account for re-sizing? |
| 18:00.11 | Pneumatus | do you just Hide() then Show()? |
| 18:04.00 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/13/funny-pictures-zombies-than-usual/ |
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| 18:08.02 | devXero | sweet... I gots it :D |
| 18:08.11 | devXero | thanks everyone, helpful as always |
| 18:09.16 | |pez| | lol :D http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/11/funny-pictures-for-an-autograph-one-more-time/ |
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| 18:13.53 | zenzelezz | |pez|: :) |
| 18:14.12 | |pez| | zenzelezz! |
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| 18:19.43 | Pneumatus | hmm, does GameTooltip:SetWidth() get over-written on every OnUpdate or something? |
| 18:22.26 | Wikwocket | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10277-BossInc.html is pretty full of win |
| 18:25.50 | Esamynn | Pneumatus: I think this it should, I do know calling GameTooltip:Show() resizes the tooltip to fit the current contents |
| 18:26.05 | Esamynn | s/I think this it should/I don't think it should/ |
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| 18:26.40 | Pneumatus | ok.. |
| 18:26.58 | Pneumatus | so, is there any way to add multuple textures using AddTexture(), like concatenating them or something |
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| 18:27.12 | Pneumatus | maybe making an intermediate texture with multiple textures |
| 18:27.14 | Esamynn | you mean to a single line? |
| 18:27.40 | Pneumatus | yeh |
| 18:28.01 | Pneumatus | say i wanted to add 3 mini-icon textures in a row |
| 18:28.39 | Pneumatus | i've messed around with |T|t in fontstrings, but it has some weird wrapping issues in GameTooltip |
| 18:28.52 | Esamynn | heh, was just gonna suggest that |
| 18:29.06 | Esamynn | I can't think of any other possibilities |
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| 18:29.54 | Tem | Pneumatus: you just have to play with it in Tooltips |
| 18:30.03 | Tem | they have odd behaviors |
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| 18:30.40 | Pneumatus | i've treied SetWidth() after inserting the lines in a OnTooltipSetItem hook, but that seems to make no difference to the width |
| 18:31.02 | Aella | Have you tried :Show()ing after you add lines? |
| 18:31.38 | Pneumatus | yeh, seems to make no difference either |
| 18:31.52 | Pneumatus | the really weird thing is, the tooltip is plenty wide enough |
| 18:32.01 | Pneumatus | but it insists on wrapping the last word of the string to a new line |
| 18:32.55 | Pneumatus | which i'm forced to assume is an oddity of using |T|t in fontstrings in GameTooltip |
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| 18:35.18 | Pneumatus | i know what i'll do |
| 18:35.32 | Pneumatus | i'll just make tga files for the textures i want. |
| 18:35.35 | Pneumatus | that will save the bloody hassle |
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| 18:37.46 | Industrial | Is there a way to force one interface distance unit to be exatyle one pixel big? even just on 1280x1024? |
| 18:39.26 | Industrial | I want one pixel borders but its impossible it seems |
| 18:40.23 | kd3 | gah. fishing is so boring |
| 18:40.35 | kd3 | 361, though... nearly done |
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| 18:46.16 | NightHawkTheSane | "nearly done".. until the expansion.. |
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| 18:49.57 | Esamynn | kd3: it's not so bad if you're fishing for something highly valuable, like Motes of Water |
| 18:50.42 | Gnarfoz | how are those valuable |
| 18:51.03 | Gnarfoz | (yes I'm aware my servers's prices for primal water are stupidly low ^^) |
| 18:51.03 | devXero | does anyone know if this function should be returning values for currentRank when doing an inspect? http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetTalentInfo |
| 18:51.24 | devXero | maxrank returns, all other values return, current rank returns 0 |
| 18:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: what's "stupidly low"? |
| 18:52.38 | NightHawkTheSane | also: history of predictive text swearing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hcoT6yxFoU |
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| 18:59.10 | Mikk | Industrial: Basically, you can forget about "1 pixel" in wow |
| 18:59.36 | Mikk | 1280x1024 full screen, UI scale 1.0 will be damn close... but not necessarily right for all pixel positions ANYWAY. |
| 18:59.39 | Pneumatus | hm, im screwed with GameTooltip:SetTexture aren't i |
| 18:59.53 | Pneumatus | because the texture will always be shown at a fixed size |
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| 19:00.29 | Maldivia | Mikk: should be posible with screen resolution to ui resolution ratio |
| 19:00.31 | Industrial | Mikk: sucks :< |
| 19:00.36 | p3lim | haste: will you update either layout to the new changes in oUF? |
| 19:00.57 | Industrial | p3lim: duh? |
| 19:01.05 | p3lim | -.- |
| 19:01.13 | Industrial | >_. |
| 19:01.33 | Industrial | Maldivia: hmm. I always keep ui scaling at the minimum setting |
| 19:02.26 | Industrial | and oh my it looks good at 1.0 scae :( |
| 19:02.34 | Industrial | but.. yeah.. WAY too big |
| 19:02.39 | nevcairiel | in your face, hah ! |
| 19:02.40 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:02.45 | Industrial | literally |
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| 19:03.04 | Maldivia | Industrial: getting the screen resolution (can be queried from the video settings), vs uiScale and uiresolution (UIParent:GetWidth/GetHeight), should yield a a unit-to-pixel factor |
| 19:03.36 | Industrial | Maldivia: thank you! |
| 19:04.00 | Industrial | nevcairiel: in YOUR face http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9919a6dd0bcf7599da9a372787de94bb.jpg |
| 19:04.19 | nevcairiel | You could just shrink your UFs dimensions |
| 19:04.42 | Maldivia | Industrial: although windowed (non-maximized) mode will be a bit off |
| 19:04.51 | haste | p3lim: Industrial kinda said it |
| 19:05.37 | Industrial | nevcairiel: note the big ass buttons too. |
| 19:05.56 | Hjalte | clad|away: Have you had any experience with TomToms arrow dissappearing when opening the Cartographer 3 map? I have the waypoints module of Cartographer disabled. |
| 19:06.28 | nevcairiel | I bet thats one of the bugs Clad is working on, at least sounds like it |
| 19:07.34 | devXero | meh, this is making me frusterated |
| 19:07.40 | Hjalte | It's just strange, because it didn't happen before I reset my interface, reinstalling many addons. |
| 19:08.18 | Maldivia | hmm, is Northrend on Northrend down? |
| 19:08.36 | Anaral | Everything seems to be. |
| 19:08.47 | Maldivia | ok, logging on is just super slow then... |
| 19:09.00 | Anaral | First the merchant froze, then I tried logging out and it wouldn't let me. |
| 19:09.04 | Beladona | new beta client push? maybe |
| 19:09.10 | Maldivia | no |
| 19:09.17 | Anaral | There was no warning that it was going down |
| 19:09.25 | Maldivia | from clicking "enter world", then full progress bar, then.... wait... wait... wait... |
| 19:09.26 | Beladona | ahh so normal crash |
| 19:09.28 | Pneumatus | yup, seems im stumped again, seeing as GameTooltip:SetTexture() will only every show a 12x12 texture, when i want a wider one visible |
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| 19:09.59 | Beladona | are you trying to change the background on GameTooltip Pneumatus |
| 19:10.03 | Beladona | ? |
| 19:10.21 | Maldivia | I would think the textures for gems etc |
| 19:10.31 | Pneumatus | no Beladona, i'm trying to put textures into a fontstring really, but using |T|t is causing weird text-wrapping situations |
| 19:10.59 | Pneumatus | http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fubaredyd8.jpg |
| 19:11.10 | Pneumatus | something like that ^^ |
| 19:11.15 | Beladona | I think you want AddTexture |
| 19:11.22 | Beladona | unless you are looking to edit an existing one? |
| 19:11.24 | Pneumatus | but its not just honorfuplus that's cocking it about |
| 19:11.47 | Pneumatus | no Beladona, AddTexture will only add a 12x12 icon at the start of the line, but I want multiple textures |
| 19:11.48 | Beladona | GameTooltip:AddTexture will stick a texture to the beginning of the last line |
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| 19:11.56 | Beladona | hmm |
| 19:12.06 | Pneumatus | yeh, but regardless of the size of the texture it only shoves it in a 12x12 box :< |
| 19:12.11 | Beladona | oh I see |
| 19:12.30 | p3lim | Industrial: is that oUF_Industrial? |
| 19:12.37 | Industrial | yes |
| 19:12.41 | Industrial | sec |
| 19:12.44 | p3lim | :) |
| 19:12.55 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, my mother just called me, all worried cause she got a text message saying her "EPPI Card" was deactivated for suspicious use, and to call some number. |
| 19:13.15 | Neuro_Medivh | I had to explain what "phishing" is to her |
| 19:13.17 | Kyahx | so...what number beta keys are people starting to get? I feel like I should have gotten mine by now :( |
| 19:13.42 | Neuro_Medivh | based on prior experience, you should get it on thursday night |
| 19:13.55 | Neuro_Medivh | unless you were within 1-494 |
| 19:13.57 | Dashkal | Kyahx: They get sent to blizzard every monday, and Blizzard sends the,,,, yeah, thursday friday if they have the time |
| 19:13.57 | Pneumatus | i can't explain why the wrapping is going funny, nor can i find a way of telling the tooltip to stop doing it :< |
| 19:14.13 | Kyahx | bah, Im like 584 |
| 19:14.14 | durcyn | i think i was, uh, 7, and i didn't get mine until last week |
| 19:14.17 | Beladona | its a FontString |
| 19:14.22 | Beladona | without a set width it will wrap |
| 19:14.24 | Kyahx | guess im just impatient :( |
| 19:14.34 | Beladona | or is it set height? |
| 19:14.38 | nevcairiel | Pneumatus: thats a known "bug" in the tooltips, embeded textures in font strings cause wrapping |
| 19:14.41 | Cide | WITH a set width it will wrap |
| 19:14.45 | NeoTron | if you don't set the width of a font string, does that mean it'll be whatever width it needs to be? |
| 19:14.53 | Beladona | yeah sorry had it backwards |
| 19:14.55 | Pneumatus | nevcairiel: the stupid thing is, with some addon combinations it behaves fine :< |
| 19:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | haha... I just did a double 7k crit |
| 19:15.20 | End | I'm 508, and I got it last week with all the first batch people even though I'm second batch |
| 19:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Right as this NPC put up spell reflect |
| 19:15.28 | kd3 | oof |
| 19:15.37 | Industrial | p3lim: committed, its on the wowi svn |
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| 19:16.05 | p3lim | neat, I saw it on the WoWI svn earlier today :) |
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| 19:16.19 | Pneumatus | short of writing a 'replacement' GameTooltip, ive got no idea |
| 19:17.31 | Beladona | would it work better with a DoubleLine (right and left) and have the texture on the left? |
| 19:17.43 | Beladona | I know it wont justify the way you want specifically |
| 19:17.47 | p3lim | haste: btw, will that update be included in a stable release? |
| 19:17.53 | Pneumatus | Beladona: problem with that is the right side is right aligned, so on wide tooltips it would look a state |
| 19:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Maldivia: great timing. ;) |
| 19:18.08 | Beladona | I understand taht |
| 19:18.20 | Beladona | just saying it would probably fix wrapping |
| 19:18.20 | Pneumatus | unless there's a way to tell the right side to justify left :< |
| 19:18.27 | Pneumatus | probably, let me see |
| 19:18.31 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade1: yeah, couldn't stop laughing :) |
| 19:19.34 | haste | p3lim: you should already know the answer to that based on the last discussion |
| 19:19.44 | Pneumatus | yeh, doubleline stops it wrapping |
| 19:19.56 | p3lim | yeah ok |
| 19:20.43 | End | hm, found a way you can get the z position |
| 19:20.44 | p3lim | You really thing WotLK is so close to release? |
| 19:20.45 | Beladona | GameTooltipTextRight(line number here):SetJustifyH:("LEFT"); maybe? |
| 19:20.50 | End | it's in the bug reporter when you crash the game :P |
| 19:21.25 | Neuro_Medivh | if you go off of TBC, WotLK will release in late Oct |
| 19:21.26 | haste | p3lim: how the hell are you drawing that conclusion? |
| 19:21.44 | Neuro_Medivh | more likely, it'll go out in mid-Nov |
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| 19:21.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm thinking mid-dec earliest, honestly |
| 19:22.01 | Neuro_Medivh | why? |
| 19:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 19:22.10 | NightHawkTheSane | just a feeling based on the state of beta |
| 19:22.10 | Beladona | either way it will be before Christmas, if all goes as planned |
| 19:22.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it isn't anywhere near done as-is |
| 19:22.19 | haste | wotlk seems so incomplete compared to tbc :p |
| 19:22.19 | Neuro_Medivh | I mean, beta began in July, TBC's beta started in Oct |
| 19:22.24 | Neuro_Medivh | um, no |
| 19:22.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: yeah, I imagine they really want to push for a pre-christmas release |
| 19:22.26 | Neuro_Medivh | it's about the same |
| 19:22.51 | Neuro_Medivh | in Oct, when TBC went beta, it was almost exactly the same.. the talents weren't complete, and the level cap was 77 |
| 19:22.55 | Neuro_Medivh | er, 67 |
| 19:23.05 | p3lim | Well, seeing as you intend all those changes for exp release |
| 19:23.14 | haste | might be my memory however |
| 19:23.33 | Beladona | you guys are forgetting that they had multiple alpha phases too |
| 19:23.36 | Beladona | in TBC |
| 19:23.43 | Beladona | this time they opted to go straight into blosed beta |
| 19:23.47 | Beladona | closed* |
| 19:23.51 | haste | a while before beta |
| 19:24.01 | Neuro_Medivh | my point is, Oct to Jan 19th was 3.5 months. Based on that same timetable, WotLK will be ready around late Oct |
| 19:24.28 | Neuro_Medivh | just for safety's sake, we'll push it to November |
| 19:24.46 | Neuro_Medivh | of course, Blizz won't release it just to beat christmas, thank goodness |
| 19:24.51 | Beladona | I am sure we will know more a month before release |
| 19:24.58 | Beladona | I am not really worried WHEN |
| 19:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Neuro_Medivh: let me add this... they gave us a solid release date for TBC. They then pushed it back. We don't even have a solid release date for Wrath yet. |
| 19:25.19 | Neuro_Medivh | ? |
| 19:25.28 | Neuro_Medivh | they never gave any release date except Jan 19th |
| 19:25.31 | Neuro_Medivh | for TBC |
| 19:25.55 | Beladona | there were "reumored" release dates flying rampant, mostly perpetuated by game stores |
| 19:26.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: something else to consider, wrath is adding a class, TBC only added a new race. So there's arguably significantly more content to test/balance this time around. |
| 19:26.12 | p3lim | In an interview I heard blizzard said mid-dec |
| 19:26.15 | End | they said Q4 2006 for a while for TBC, but they never said anything specific until the january date |
| 19:26.19 | p3lim | Cant confirm that though |
| 19:26.36 | Pneumatus | Beladona: no luck, SetJustifyH() doesn't appear to be doing anything :< |
| 19:26.38 | Neuro_Medivh | I disagree... two races and the appropriate new classes and zones is arguably just as intensive as adding a new class |
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| 19:26.53 | End | there's more to balance with a new class |
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| 19:26.58 | Neuro_Medivh | the new class is more problematic from a design standpoint, yes |
| 19:27.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: not really, the two new starting zones were pretty by-the-book as starting zones go |
| 19:27.15 | ScytheBlade1 | No. Classes have to be balanced against each other. Races do not, as long as their racials aren't "AoE death" |
| 19:27.19 | NightHawkTheSane | and two classes are relatively easy to balance |
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| 19:27.35 | Beladona | wotlk looks larger than tbc in terms of what they intend to be the finished product. I know the continent doesn't SEEM like it is as much content as Outland, but it definitely feels larger |
| 19:27.40 | p3lim | Pneumatus: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:27.42 | NightHawkTheSane | the DK has an entire starting zone to design, which is massively impressive, plus the full range of 60-80 content to balance against |
| 19:28.02 | kd3 | huzzah, 375 fishing |
| 19:28.04 | Neuro_Medivh | they're not balancing it for 60-70, lemme tell ya =) |
| 19:28.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: i dunno, northrend fells HUGELY bigger than outland to me. :P |
| 19:28.14 | Beladona | thats what I just said |
| 19:28.19 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 19:28.26 | Beladona | I just said it confusingly I guess |
| 19:28.27 | Dewin | It is bigger. |
| 19:28.29 | End | Beladona: yeah, and if you look at the quest count for achievements, wrath looks bigger in that regard for sure |
| 19:28.32 | Pneumatus | p3lim: trying to add textures to GameToolip such that weird wrapping doesn't happen (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fubaredyd8.jpg) |
| 19:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: grats |
| 19:28.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: ah, yeah, a bit. :) i guess i meant that it seems like more content as well. :) |
| 19:28.56 | Neuro_Medivh | But again, I don't think it's that much more work than TBC... they had to integrate Shaman and Paladins into the other side, that wasn't exactly easy |
| 19:29.08 | Cide | wow |
| 19:29.09 | Cide | wait |
| 19:29.10 | Beladona | the other thing that I absolutely love about wotlk |
| 19:29.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: well, 60-70 is certainly something they're paying attention to, but I'd agree it's of lesser concern than 70-80 and post-80 balancing |
| 19:29.14 | Beladona | it FEELS right |
| 19:29.17 | Cide | somebody has gone in and rated gear for different classes? |
| 19:29.20 | Cide | I would NEVER trust that |
| 19:29.21 | Pneumatus | and, it doesn't wrap weird using AddDoubleLine(), except it makes it harder to read |
| 19:29.23 | Cide | that's so stupid |
| 19:29.27 | Beladona | in outland when you went from one area to another, it was VASTLY different |
| 19:29.31 | Pneumatus | Cide: wow-loot.com, been around since time began |
| 19:29.38 | Cide | no it hasn't |
| 19:29.41 | Beladona | here, there are differences, but it still feels like it *fits* |
| 19:29.49 | Cide | that's dumbtarded |
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| 19:30.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: do you mean the appearance transition between zones? |
| 19:30.30 | Beladona | yeah |
| 19:30.34 | End | that definitely feel more natural |
| 19:30.43 | p3lim | Pneumatus: odd |
| 19:30.44 | End | the zones flow into each other much better |
| 19:30.45 | Beladona | well, and the general feel from one to the other. Things feel natural when they do change |
| 19:30.52 | Dewin | Cide: I thought the gear ratings were based off of your target stat(s) and whatnot. |
| 19:30.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh. *nod* yeah, outland, and even azeroth, was very contrasting between zones. I havn't gotten to other zones in northrend too much |
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| 19:30.57 | Beladona | as natural as they can be in a fictional world I guess |
| 19:31.01 | Cide | Dewin: what? |
| 19:31.02 | End | although |
| 19:31.22 | Neuro_Medivh | well, outlands is supposed to be a patchwork of different areas, that's probably their reasoning |
| 19:31.30 | Beladona | it didn't have to be |
| 19:32.06 | End | I took the broken up path from dragon blight that just kinda ends with a drop..and looking out over crystalsong forest actually took my breath away |
| 19:33.08 | Dewin | Cide: For a given class/talent spec, assign a certain relevance to each stat and from there you can assign any given item a score. There are a few catches, like hit rating/etc that cap, but that's a basic way to do it. |
| 19:33.17 | Cide | of course |
| 19:33.21 | Cide | I'm not talking about the way to do it |
| 19:33.27 | Cide | I'm talking about the stupidity of it |
| 19:33.39 | Dewin | What's so stupid about it? |
| 19:33.40 | Cide | and the fact that you can't reliably assign relevance to each stat for each class and spec in any good manner |
| 19:33.43 | Cide | ^ that |
| 19:33.57 | Dewin | If you can pick the numbers for yourself |
| 19:34.01 | Dewin | it'll at least give you a good idea |
| 19:34.05 | Cide | it's listed for all classes |
| 19:34.06 | Cide | not yourself |
| 19:34.19 | Dewin | It won't neccessarily be able to tell 100% that item X is better than item Y, if they're close together |
| 19:34.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: it can be somewhat useful within a single class for helping determine the relative value of pieces of gear. But as a who-gets-what mentality, yeah, it's absurd. |
| 19:34.21 | Cide | http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fubaredyd8.jpg |
| 19:34.23 | Dewin | but it's a good approximation |
| 19:34.28 | Cide | no |
| 19:34.29 | Cide | no no no no |
| 19:34.35 | Dewin | oh. wow. |
| 19:34.42 | Cide | NightHawkTheSane: except it's useless amongst a single class as well |
| 19:34.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: well, that particular implementation is.. moronoic. |
| 19:35.07 | Dewin | Now that I actually know what you're talking about... yeah, that is pretty stupid |
| 19:35.08 | NightHawkTheSane | but something like Pawn, I find useful. |
| 19:35.14 | End | yeah, I don't like that implementation either |
| 19:35.29 | End | all I care about is comparing two pieces of gear |
| 19:35.43 | Dewin | I like bonusscanner, but it does a few stupid things from time to time |
| 19:36.23 | Dewin | Because, for a hunter for instance |
| 19:36.40 | Dewin | you don't really care about agi, versus the combination of AP+crit, aside from the +10% bonus from kings |
| 19:37.06 | Lopeppeppy | RatingBuster is more of a guideline thing for me. If I ever come to knee-jerk rely on it, I'll uninstall it in a heartbeat. |
| 19:37.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I only use RatingBuster because it gives me a point for point comparison of two items |
| 19:37.40 | NightHawkTheSane | well. ratingbuster isn't even a "this is bettter than that" thing. it's just doing a straight-up numerical comparison/translation of stats |
| 19:37.52 | NightHawkTheSane | you have to draw your own conclusions as to what those numbers MEAN |
| 19:37.59 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly |
| 19:38.20 | Dewin | Same with bonusscanner |
| 19:38.26 | Pneumatus | ahh, no wonder justyfy is making no difference |
| 19:38.30 | Lopeppeppy | Shield A might be statistically better... but not if I'm low on stamina overall and need to focus on that stat more |
| 19:38.33 | Beladona | I like RatingBuster because it will tell you how much more or less of translated stats you will get. And doesn't tell you which you should prefer |
| 19:38.37 | Dewin | oh |
| 19:38.38 | Dewin | it IS ratingbuster |
| 19:38.41 | Dewin | I forgot which addon is which |
| 19:38.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Pawn takes that a little further, and does some summation of the numbers based on a point scale you determine. I kind of like it, but I don't use it as an absolute reference |
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| 19:39.40 | Pneumatus | is there any way to dynamically change the <Anchor point=""> of an xml element? |
| 19:40.35 | Cide | :SetPoint() |
| 19:41.12 | Pneumatus | aha |
| 19:42.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I may be late with this, but all forms of guild bank thieft is now reportable |
| 19:42.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Even if the person was given access to the bank knowingly |
| 19:42.48 | Neuro_Medivh | ? |
| 19:42.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: eh? |
| 19:43.10 | Neuro_Medivh | then the question remains, who can report it? |
| 19:43.31 | Neuro_Medivh | and what's the threshhold? |
| 19:43.36 | NightHawkTheSane | and what's to stop someone from reporting someone out of spite? >.> |
| 19:43.50 | Neuro_Medivh | "Bob took a potion out of the bank vault, I want to report him" |
| 19:44.10 | Aiiane | ScytheBlade1: and what is your source of information for this |
| 19:44.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765581586&sid=1&pageNo=3#44 |
| 19:44.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Same with raid ID stealing |
| 19:44.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=DC77707EA6BBBCDC425F8E9F764D3084.app11_06?topicId=8765581586&pageNo=1&sid=1#12 |
| 19:45.37 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting |
| 19:45.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine each will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis, which should probably help. |
| 19:46.27 | Neuro_Medivh | that sounds so damn arbitrary |
| 19:46.43 | Mikk | they also have chatlogs and whatnot |
| 19:46.59 | Anaral | How and/or where do you pull the world map files from? |
| 19:47.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: on a certain level, it has to be somewhat arbitrary :\ |
| 19:47.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Not really. There's one point that's not arbitrary at all |
| 19:47.47 | Neuro_Medivh | "If you give someone permission, and the loot the vault, there's nothing we can do" |
| 19:48.42 | Esamynn | Anaral: why do you want the world map files? |
| 19:49.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: but i think they clearly want to address situations that specifically fall under that. |
| 19:49.13 | Anaral | I want to see if I can do something to make the Exploration Achievement easier. |
| 19:49.30 | Neuro_Medivh | But then you have to say, where is the line? |
| 19:49.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ie - a guild member ninjaing massive parts of the guild bank to screw the guild. |
| 19:49.41 | NightHawkTheSane | I agree, that's definitely a concern. |
| 19:49.43 | Neuro_Medivh | What if that guild member is the leader? |
| 19:49.53 | ScytheBlade1 | They are the owners of the items |
| 19:49.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Period |
| 19:49.58 | Neuro_Medivh | Guilds are inherently dictatorships |
| 19:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: ask these questions in that CS thread? :P |
| 19:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | They guild leader by definition cannot steal items that they already own |
| 19:50.26 | Esamynn | Anaral: they give you the sub-zone names you need to find, I think that's easy enough :P |
| 19:50.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: also, what is the difference between the gm taking the items, and the gm just shutting off access to the bank? :P |
| 19:50.52 | Anaral | Esamynn: I thought they'd be in the mpq, and they are, but not a format I know how to open |
| 19:50.55 | Esamynn | Anaral: also, I'm pretty sure that just revealing the entire map isn't enough for the achievement |
| 19:51.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, techincally you don't even have to do that |
| 19:51.22 | End | revealing the map is enough |
| 19:51.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 19:51.33 | ScytheBlade1 | All you have to do is get "Discovered: (whatever)" for all of the subzones listed in the achieve |
| 19:51.34 | Neuro_Medivh | NightHawk, my concern is that an overzealous CS rep will decide that a guild leader looting the vault himself and then server transfering will fall under the new statue |
| 19:51.43 | Anaral | I know. |
| 19:51.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is not a comprehensive list of all of the subzones on a per zone basis |
| 19:51.47 | End | there's a few places that barely have map bits though, that you might miss |
| 19:51.56 | End | but they are revealable |
| 19:51.58 | Anaral | I was just wanting to look through it and such. |
| 19:52.00 | Esamynn | are you sure |
| 19:52.05 | End | like the hidden reef in bloodmyst island |
| 19:52.14 | Esamynn | I'm not even convinced that all discoverable zones have map bits |
| 19:52.21 | Anaral | They don't. |
| 19:52.27 | End | you don't need all discoverable zones though |
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| 19:52.33 | End | you just need all the map bits |
| 19:52.40 | Esamynn | interesting |
| 19:52.48 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, what end said. |
| 19:53.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I got the BT exploration achievement, but still discovered several small sub-zones later on. You just need to discover the zones tied to map bits. |
| 19:53.15 | Esamynn | I was sure, that on Esamynn, I had the entire map for every zone revealed |
| 19:53.18 | Esamynn | boy was I wrong |
| 19:53.38 | End | I missing one place out of everything |
| 19:53.51 | End | one tiny place, and you wouldn't know it was on the map until you explore it |
| 19:54.02 | End | it was basically just a spot in the water |
| 19:54.07 | Esamynn | oh |
| 19:54.10 | Esamynn | where? |
| 19:54.21 | End | north of bloodmyst isle |
| 19:54.40 | End | "The Hidden Reef" |
| 19:54.58 | Esamynn | agg |
| 19:55.04 | Esamynn | s/agg/ahh/ |
| 19:55.26 | NightHawkTheSane | aka.. "The screw-you-explorers! reef" ;) |
| 19:55.27 | durcyn | yeah, that one was a bit crap. if they're going to count subzones towards exploration, they should really include them in the fog. |
| 19:55.36 | End | but yeah, the places you need to explore -are- listed out though in the achievement |
| 19:55.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Disagree @ need to be included in the fog |
| 19:55.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It's an achievement |
| 19:55.52 | durcyn | i had to go back and climb some flight of stairs in the blood-elf zone |
| 19:55.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Not a three-step plan to get epeen |
| 19:56.22 | Lopeppeppy | I thought that was 4 steps. |
| 19:56.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry, my bad. |
| 19:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Whatever the 'peppey says. |
| 19:56.39 | End | lol |
| 19:56.40 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 19:56.55 | cladhaire | Hjalte: update to the beta version I just posted |
| 19:57.01 | cladhaire | i'll push it live as soon as I have broader testing. |
| 19:57.25 | Hjalte | cladhaire: Sure, I'll do that. |
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| 20:02.03 | Hjalte | cladhaire: It seems to work. Loaded the game, had some TourGuide notes present, opened Cartographer and they didn't dissappear. |
| 20:02.11 | cladhaire | good |
| 20:03.24 | Esamynn | Astrolabe should be getting WotLK data tonight btw, but if not tonight, then very soon |
| 20:03.58 | Esamynn | it would be in, but unforeseen stuff keeps intruding on my evenings |
| 20:04.51 | Neuro_Medivh | i wish some unforeseen stuff would intrude on MY evenings. Assuming 'unforeseen stuff' means 'booty call' |
| 20:10.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Esamynn, quick question, how does Astrolabe differentiate between an instance with the same name as the uninstanced zone? |
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| 20:12.03 | Esamynn | are you thinking of the DK starting area? |
| 20:12.28 | Neuro_Medivh | specifically, yes, but I would think you'd have a similiar issue with things like Dire Maul where part is instanced and part isn't |
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| 20:13.37 | Pneumatus | hmm, messing with GameTooltipTextRight[x] is a pain in the behind. |
| 20:13.39 | Esamynn | in the DM instance, you don't get any map locations though |
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| 20:13.50 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: the DK starting area is a new, unique problem |
| 20:13.56 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh |
| 20:14.01 | Esamynn | well, not totally unique |
| 20:14.16 | Esamynn | it's sort of like Battlegrounds |
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| 20:14.52 | Dashkal | I'd like to know how to differentiate between the multiple "layers" of the DK starting area. There's three or four of them |
| 20:14.57 | Xuerian | Hmm... Anyone having problems connecting to the US WotLK realms? |
| 20:15.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I connected just fine |
| 20:15.08 | ScytheBlade1 | About..... 30 seconds ago |
| 20:15.13 | Xuerian | bleh |
| 20:15.15 | Xuerian | wtf. |
| 20:15.16 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: unless you remember which quests you already did, i doubt you really can |
| 20:15.18 | Neuro_Medivh | dashkal, I don't think you can |
| 20:15.22 | Esamynn | the DK starting area is a big problem though, because afaik, you don't get any coordinates for any maps other than the starting area map while inside it |
| 20:15.31 | Esamynn | I might not be able to support it |
| 20:15.50 | kd3 | yay! got my gold medallion |
| 20:16.19 | Esamynn | Dashkal: the whole point of the area is that you can't :P |
| 20:16.39 | nevcairiel | Its fun, though |
| 20:16.45 | Dashkal | Well, you can't instantly. You could certainly tell delayed. Watch combat events and mouseovers and identify that way |
| 20:16.50 | nevcairiel | one second you are there, the other second you are still there, but everything changed |
| 20:17.22 | Esamynn | also the DK starting area uses phasing too, not just instances, I believe |
| 20:17.25 | nevcairiel | Considering you'll only be in that area for maybe 2 hours play time, i dont think its that bad if support for it is not there |
| 20:17.26 | Dashkal | There's one transition that threw me for a loop. You _fly_ back up to the necropolis, not teleport, and everything changes |
| 20:17.42 | Neuro_Medivh | dash, it's phased, not teleporting |
| 20:17.59 | Esamynn | some of it is instancing too |
| 20:18.07 | Neuro_Medivh | well, the entire thing is instanced =) |
| 20:18.11 | Dashkal | yeah, which makes more sense. at least with the port (the DK opens a death gate for you) I saw how you jumped, but phasing makes it make sense |
| 20:18.31 | NightHawkTheSane | we discussed this last night. :P |
| 20:18.34 | Neuro_Medivh | yep |
| 20:18.36 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: no, I m ean the DK starting area is made up of more than 1 instance of the same area, I believe, as evidenced by the loading screens |
| 20:18.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 20:18.37 | End | yeah, we did :P |
| 20:18.37 | nevcairiel | When you fly up and back down to the lich king, was it? |
| 20:18.37 | Neuro_Medivh | at length |
| 20:18.42 | Dashkal | I was busy working up my herbalism/inscription last night :p |
| 20:18.44 | NightHawkTheSane | there were a few other tells that indicated it was a visibility thing, not a teleporting thing |
| 20:19.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: I... don't recall a single loading screen once I made my DK. |
| 20:19.01 | Neuro_Medivh | Esamynn, I saw no difference in loading screens |
| 20:19.02 | End | like the minimap, and skeletons from fail people on the ground |
| 20:19.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Things like players skeletons at LHC in earlier phases, and minimap dots for players in other phases |
| 20:19.14 | nevcairiel | Yeah there are no loading screens in between |
| 20:19.16 | nevcairiel | its all one instance |
| 20:19.21 | NightHawkTheSane | End: lol, 'fail people' |
| 20:19.29 | Neuro_Medivh | now, there's a seperate version for horde, I know |
| 20:19.37 | nevcairiel | this is true Neuro_Medivh |
| 20:19.38 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, there is |
| 20:19.40 | Esamynn | when I did it, there were a couple of loading screens during my time in there |
| 20:19.44 | End | loading screens doesn't mean anything, since you could have 3 copies of the same area in one instance |
| 20:19.53 | Dashkal | hey, I got my butt killed during the DK LHC event. Might have something to do with death gripping one of their heroes... |
| 20:19.57 | End | but there's the other things that seem to give it away |
| 20:20.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: ... and that was your own fault. :D |
| 20:20.06 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: hah, i did that too |
| 20:20.14 | nevcairiel | i just randomly tabed |
| 20:20.19 | nevcairiel | and pulled something |
| 20:20.20 | End | I didn't...I watched the people who did it though :P |
| 20:20.22 | Dashkal | It was fun, and so worth it :p |
| 20:20.24 | NightHawkTheSane | death gripping tirion fordring is not a bright idea. |
| 20:20.28 | End | haha |
| 20:20.31 | Dashkal | Since I knew I'd just get rezzed anyway I just had fun with it |
| 20:20.31 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:20.33 | End | yeah, you go owned! |
| 20:20.41 | End | got8 |
| 20:20.43 | End | got* |
| 20:20.45 | End | ~fail End |
| 20:20.45 | purl | End: FAIL! |
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| 20:21.04 | Esamynn | I got a loading screen sometimes when I went between the main area and the Necropolis |
| 20:21.06 | Dashkal | You can grip fordring? I thought he was green when he appeared. Must do that next time around |
| 20:21.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: no idea, actually. :) |
| 20:21.23 | Neuro_Medivh | Esamynn, as of the most recent build, that doesn't happen |
| 20:21.28 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 20:21.29 | End | he's red until the allegiance switch over |
| 20:21.43 | Neuro_Medivh | I ran it twice this weekend building a tourguide for myself |
| 20:21.45 | foxlit | Yeah, but they cheat |
| 20:21.46 | NightHawkTheSane | he big thing is whether or not you have a valid tag on him. |
| 20:21.53 | foxlit | You can't pull Nefarian in UBRS, for example |
| 20:21.59 | Dashkal | ooo, must try that. I'm going to redo the area next update to it anyway. |
| 20:22.13 | Esamynn | I wonder why they decided to go with pure phasing tech |
| 20:22.23 | nevcairiel | smoother transitions? :) |
| 20:22.24 | kd3 | "because we can!" |
| 20:22.24 | Dashkal | Esamynn: seamless == good |
| 20:22.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: that's the same thing i wonder, honestly. |
| 20:22.25 | Neuro_Medivh | not sure, but it looks amazing |
| 20:22.33 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yeah, thats the only reason i can think of |
| 20:22.36 | foxlit | It's a much more elegant solution |
| 20:22.43 | Dashkal | When I flew up, and came back down with the town on fire I was "Whoa, that's damn cool" |
| 20:22.43 | kd3 | and hopefully it lays the groundwork for other, bigger things |
| 20:22.43 | Neuro_Medivh | it's seemless |
| 20:22.46 | kd3 | like sw keep |
| 20:22.49 | foxlit | What else would you want to do if you wanted to present different things to different people? |
| 20:22.57 | NightHawkTheSane | elegant from the user perspective. it's got to be more work on the back end. |
| 20:23.05 | Esamynn | the loading screens were pretty seemless, they happened when teleporting to or from the necropolis, and I think the instancing would handle the load they will get on opening day better |
| 20:23.06 | foxlit | Actually |
| 20:23.09 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: teleport between different locations |
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| 20:23.40 | NightHawkTheSane | SM (and i think DM) are examples, each wing is the same instance, really. |
| 20:23.41 | Neuro_Medivh | Esamynn, except it's possible to complete the zone without teleporting |
| 20:23.41 | foxlit | Got any examples, then? |
| 20:23.42 | Dashkal | Esamynn: While I'd like to see instancing, I'd rather it be AoC style instancing (yes yes I know older MMOs did it too). Maximum number of players per instance |
| 20:23.48 | Xuerian | Wont' let me on northrend >:( |
| 20:24.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Northrend is busy pissing itself |
| 20:24.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It is not exactly 'stable' at the moment |
| 20:24.13 | Xuerian | Oh, that'd do it |
| 20:24.19 | Xuerian | lol |
| 20:24.28 | Dashkal | They do that and opening day will be a breeze. No overcrowding |
| 20:24.35 | Neuro_Medivh | so is Lich King really a pvp server? It says normal on the server list |
| 20:24.36 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: it is? don't the quests send you back up to the necropolis every so often? |
| 20:24.47 | foxlit | You fly up |
| 20:24.49 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but you fly |
| 20:24.53 | Esamynn | since when? |
| 20:24.57 | foxlit | They disabled the teleporter, too |
| 20:25.01 | Esamynn | oh |
| 20:25.02 | foxlit | You can only use it from EPL now |
| 20:25.09 | Esamynn | ok, they've made big changes it seems |
| 20:25.20 | End | they teleport you back up, but it's only once or twice I think |
| 20:25.30 | nevcairiel | they have a death-gate once |
| 20:25.31 | NightHawkTheSane | once, that i can think of |
| 20:25.34 | nevcairiel | but you dont _have_ to use it |
| 20:25.38 | Neuro_Medivh | there's ONE spot where they death gate, but it's optional |
| 20:25.45 | Neuro_Medivh | and I didn't use it one of my runs |
| 20:25.54 | End | the death gate you can avoid, but I remember finishing a quest in the camp and getting teleported |
| 20:25.54 | Esamynn | I think they should have left it |
| 20:25.56 | Esamynn | oh well |
| 20:26.06 | Esamynn | actually |
| 20:26.07 | End | I dunno if you had to use a gossip option or if he automatically did it though |
| 20:26.18 | Tem | the telleporter on the ground is gone now? |
| 20:26.18 | foxlit | I can't remember using any ports on either of my two run throughs |
| 20:26.28 | Neuro_Medivh | it's still there, just doesn't work |
| 20:26.32 | Esamynn | in reality, because it would all be hosted on the same server anyways (I assume), the phasing will be as good for load as the instancing was |
| 20:26.33 | Tem | that's... odd |
| 20:26.35 | kd3 | teleporter's gone as of 2 builds ago. gotta use the gryphon |
| 20:26.43 | Gryphen | use me |
| 20:26.43 | nevcairiel | I just did it today, and short of the death gate i used, i dont remember any ports |
| 20:26.46 | Mooninaut | I think the transition occurs when you accept the next quest in the chain in the necropolis |
| 20:26.58 | foxlit | There's just that port-up teleporter, but that's consensual and disabled now. |
| 20:27.01 | Neuro_Medivh | it is... mograine is the transition point, or is one of them |
| 20:27.21 | Neuro_Medivh | and the turn in down below is the transition point for acherus |
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| 20:27.51 | Esamynn | because the killer load is when too many players are all in each other's AoI and the phasing will still prevent that |
| 20:27.59 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah |
| 20:28.21 | Neuro_Medivh | there were hundreds of DKs in the starting area the last two days |
| 20:28.21 | Tem | speaking to the conversation a while back: Why phasing over instances? With phasing, the transitions are invisible. Many players won't realize they're in an instance at all |
| 20:28.23 | End | yeah, provided they implemented it properly, it should be no problem at all (relatively speaking) |
| 20:28.33 | Neuro_Medivh | and no lag |
| 20:28.39 | Esamynn | I guess it was a matter of how much of the terrain the phasing tech was actually capable of changing |
| 20:28.40 | Neuro_Medivh | because you never saw too many at a time |
| 20:28.47 | End | I noticed something though...it seems like they're trying to get players more spread apart more quickly with wrath |
| 20:28.52 | End | which is good :P |
| 20:29.00 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, the terrain didn't really change, it was the mobs and some of the skins |
| 20:29.13 | Esamynn | and buildings too |
| 20:29.15 | End | yeah, even building models |
| 20:29.16 | Tem | terrain doodads changed |
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| 20:29.35 | Neuro_Medivh | I didn't notice the terrain objects actually changing, just different looking |
| 20:29.41 | Neuro_Medivh | it's not like a building disappeared |
| 20:29.47 | Neuro_Medivh | they just caught fire |
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| 20:30.01 | Esamynn | and I'm not sure it was originally possible for the phasing tech to hide terrain features like buildings |
| 20:30.03 | foxlit | differeny model, likely |
| 20:30.05 | Esamynn | but who knows |
| 20:30.16 | End | I think there were some buildings that actually physically changed |
| 20:30.22 | End | but it might have been just fire |
| 20:30.25 | Neuro_Medivh | I didn't notice any |
| 20:30.30 | kd3 | the tower |
| 20:30.30 | End | fire would be trivial to phase I would imagine |
| 20:30.33 | kd3 | that's the only one I think |
| 20:30.35 | End | I wasn't really keeping track |
| 20:30.37 | Neuro_Medivh | which tower? |
| 20:30.44 | kd3 | light's hope? |
| 20:30.55 | nevcairiel | the harbor changed, the ship is gone, iirc |
| 20:31.06 | kd3 | it gets destroyed as soon as we complete 'victory at death's breach' |
| 20:31.18 | Neuro_Medivh | ah, but ships are already dynamic |
| 20:31.36 | Neuro_Medivh | they're designed to be there one moment and gone the next |
| 20:31.45 | kd3 | s/light's hope/light's point/ |
| 20:31.55 | nevcairiel | well the traveling ships are, not all ship objects are ;) |
| 20:31.58 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, that's such a cool quest |
| 20:32.17 | End | ships normally can move (but I imagine any building can move if it has the proper flags set), but usually they don't go invisible :P |
| 20:32.36 | End | although |
| 20:32.47 | End | most ships completely disappear entirely |
| 20:32.55 | Neuro_Medivh | I wonder how server-intensive the procedure is? |
| 20:33.11 | Neuro_Medivh | i could see a lot of neat applications for it, if it wasn't very intensive |
| 20:33.18 | foxlit | Done properly? Not at all |
| 20:33.42 | foxlit | "Hey, client, buddy, you're now on a different phase of the same map. Update your own geometry already" |
| 20:33.44 | Esamynn | it's just a change in the scope of the player's AoI |
| 20:34.04 | Neuro_Medivh | like, completing escort quests would remove the quest giver from your client |
| 20:34.31 | foxlit | eh |
| 20:34.35 | foxlit | that's an inherently bad idea |
| 20:34.45 | foxlit | What if you're involved with someone else doing that quest? :) |
| 20:34.58 | Esamynn | yah, that's the problem with that idea |
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| 20:35.10 | Neuro_Medivh | that's why I think it's not very feasible in current zones |
| 20:35.12 | Neuro_Medivh | however |
| 20:35.55 | laeg | blizz borked our server |
| 20:36.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i think things like that wouldn't fit well into wow's gameplay design |
| 20:36.05 | laeg | "character not found" and the realm list is suddenly low |
| 20:36.10 | Neuro_Medivh | I could see the DK starting zone as a new kind of instanced zone. A one-shot zone, designed for people to complete once, not farmed |
| 20:36.38 | End | it's something I could see hero classes in general doing |
| 20:36.45 | End | since it gets them integrated into the world |
| 20:37.01 | End | but it's not going to be a common feature everywhere me thinks |
| 20:37.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: interesting idea, and i'd like to see it, but again, in the general sense, it kinda flies in the face of their gameplay intentions |
| 20:37.13 | kd3 | har. fark: [Strange] You know those "gold" medals the athletes are kissing and biting while on the podium? Yea, well along with the thrill of victory, it looks like they could be getting lead poisoning |
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| 20:38.02 | Neuro_Medivh | well, for example, I've always thought a single-player instance would be interesting. The zone would have different requirements based on your class, so a priest doing the zone would have to mind control something as a pet |
| 20:38.56 | Neuro_Medivh | Being instanced and using this phasing stuff, it could be designed as something you only do once, and it "records" your progress based on your completed quests |
| 20:39.10 | Neuro_Medivh | and not even all at once |
| 20:39.43 | Neuro_Medivh | perhaps one stage is designed for players in green lvl 80 gear, then the next part for lvl 80 in blues, followed by a section designed for someone in epics |
| 20:40.12 | Neuro_Medivh | so you would return to it as your character progressed |
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| 20:40.30 | Neuro_Medivh | and it would be this epic accomplishment that you prepared for |
| 20:40.35 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 20:40.36 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
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| 20:46.28 | p3lim | What shall I get, LW or Herbalism? |
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| 20:46.40 | p3lim | (And Im not the rep kinda guy) |
| 20:46.41 | foxlit | Inscription! |
| 20:46.44 | Pneumatus | has anyone played arround with SetPoint on GameTooltipTextRight[x] fields before? |
| 20:46.46 | NightHawkTheSane | I think i'm going to have to demand some kind of context for that questoin |
| 20:46.55 | NightHawkTheSane | s/oi/io/ |
| 20:47.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ... damn you purl. |
| 20:47.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ~~~~~~~ |
| 20:47.06 | purl | ACTION lets a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh eat nighthawkthesane. |
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| 20:55.03 | devXero | blah.. ok so GetTalentInfo() has an optional inspect arg... If true the data returned will be for the inspected unit... For some reason I can get all the data EXCEPT the current rank for the talent. |
| 20:55.08 | devXero | does anyone have experience w/ this? |
| 20:55.29 | Cralor` | can anyone else access pastey.net? |
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| 20:56.26 | devXero | currentRank keeps returning 0... |
| 20:56.43 | devXero | I just... don't ... get it |
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| 20:58.20 | Cralor` | is anyone playing on Northrend? |
| 20:58.37 | Cralor` | (the server) |
| 20:58.46 | kd3 | I couldn't get on earlier |
| 20:58.48 | Maldivia | not right now, as it's very unstable |
| 20:59.00 | Cralor` | i can't even get in =( |
| 20:59.04 | Maldivia | anytime you interact with an item, you freeze and disconnect after 5 minutes |
| 20:59.15 | Maldivia | it takes 5 minutes of full progress bar to log on |
| 20:59.34 | Maldivia | (to the Northrend continent - I can instantly log on into Ironforge) |
| 20:59.34 | Cralor` | and then after the 5min full progress bar i get "Character not found" =( |
| 20:59.41 | Cralor` | oh. i can' |
| 20:59.45 | Cralor` | log into Hellfire |
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| 21:01.05 | Xuerian | Cralor`: Northrend is having a hernia, apparently >_> |
| 21:01.21 | Cralor` | Xuerian: okay ;) |
| 21:01.34 | Cralor` | how about pastey.net? |
| 21:02.28 | Maldivia | To quote Datth on the problem with the realms: http://i35.tinypic.com/11828v6.jpg |
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| 21:06.17 | Esamynn | Cralor`: pastey is down because something has happened to the Norganna servers as a group |
| 21:06.35 | Cralor` | =( |
| 21:06.45 | Esamynn | I've asked our hosting service to look into it |
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| 21:09.35 | Cralor` | ok |
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| 21:13.37 | Maldivia | morning Cairenn |
| 21:13.41 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 21:14.23 | Tekkub | ow |
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| 21:15.25 | art3mis | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/13/janos-baranyai-photos-vid_n_118695.html |
| 21:15.28 | art3mis | hi whorebags |
| 21:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart art3mis |
| 21:15.47 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at art3mis |
| 21:16.07 | Cralor` | i can't even look at that. |
| 21:16.20 | art3mis | sure you can |
| 21:16.25 | art3mis | it's totally safe for work |
| 21:16.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh, they have video |
| 21:16.40 | Cralor` | i meant it is too gruesome |
| 21:16.47 | art3mis | yeah |
| 21:16.54 | art3mis | its not bad really |
| 21:17.16 | devXero | ok... so this works /script name, icon, tier, column, cRank, mRank, exception, prereq = GetTalentInfo(1,1,inspect); ChatFrame1:AddMessage(cRank); |
| 21:17.19 | art3mis | yesterday the one lifter popped his ankle and almost crushed his knee dropping the bar on his other leg |
| 21:17.26 | devXero | but the same code inside my lua script returns 0 |
| 21:17.28 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, that's gruesome |
| 21:17.58 | art3mis | today i came into work to female beach volleyball |
| 21:18.01 | art3mis | georgia and russia |
| 21:18.06 | art3mis | it was a good morning ;) |
| 21:18.23 | NightHawkTheSane | I like, in that video, during the replays the commentators are like "oh god, stop showing it, really.." |
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| 21:18.40 | Mery | devXero: can you pastey your lua script |
| 21:19.16 | devXero | Mery: sure, one sec |
| 21:20.22 | Tem | ~lart3mis |
| 21:20.23 | purl | ACTION smacks art3mis upside the head just cuz |
| 21:20.26 | Tem | ~exception art3mis |
| 21:20.27 | purl | ACTION tries to throw a NullPointerException at art3mis. |
| 21:21.48 | Maldivia | Tekkub: decoder version available :) |
| 21:21.54 | Tekkub | yatta! |
| 21:21.58 | devXero | Mery: http://pastebin.com/m7a0408dc |
| 21:22.01 | devXero | pastey wouldn't come up |
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| 21:23.31 | Cairenn | it's an art3mis! hi stranger |
| 21:23.55 | |pez| | art3mis :o |
| 21:24.28 | devXero | Mery: that code works percetly when collecting my own talent info... and when doing an inspect I get everything except cRank returns 0 |
| 21:24.43 | devXero | using the snippet I posted before, I got a rank bank... |
| 21:24.46 | devXero | back* |
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| 21:30.06 | p3lim | UNIT_MAXHEALTH is that a new event in wotlk? |
| 21:30.12 | devXero | nope |
| 21:31.12 | Shirik | n |
| 21:31.13 | Shirik | no |
| 21:31.20 | Shirik | that's been around forever |
| 21:31.36 | Maldivia | hmm... what kind of death knight addon can you make, that you can call DKNY :) |
| 21:31.39 | devXero | Shirik: can you look at a snippet for me? http://pastebin.com/m7a0408dc |
| 21:31.57 | devXero | that code doesn't work when doing an inspect.. but this does -> /script name, icon, tier, column, cRank, mRank, exception, prereq = GetTalentInfo(1,1,inspect); ChatFrame1:AddMessage(cRank); |
| 21:32.08 | devXero | Shirik: sorry, pastey wouldn't come up |
| 21:32.13 | Shirik | oh right |
| 21:32.15 | Shirik | codepad.org then :) |
| 21:32.21 | devXero | ah |
| 21:33.06 | devXero | http://codepad.org/T1y2ckZY |
| 21:33.08 | Shirik | for player? |
| 21:33.09 | Shirik | or non player? |
| 21:33.33 | devXero | for self player it works perfectly, for inspected player cRank is returning 0 |
| 21:33.44 | devXero | but, the /script line I pasted works for inspected player just fine |
| 21:33.44 | Cralor` | devXero: look at ur link. it shows an error |
| 21:34.08 | devXero | Cralor`: that error dosn't exist when running in the game |
| 21:34.24 | Cralor` | a |
| 21:34.25 | Cralor` | ah |
| 21:34.29 | Shirik | Cralor`: If you look at the error, you realize it's just because it's not running in WoW |
| 21:34.35 | Shirik | devXero: Does it happen on the first pass? |
| 21:34.35 | Cralor` | yea i understand |
| 21:34.57 | devXero | Shirik: first pass? If you mean when the inspect frame is triggered, then yet |
| 21:34.59 | devXero | yes* |
| 21:35.07 | Shirik | no, I mean on the first iteration of the loop |
| 21:35.17 | devXero | all iterations of the loop return 0 |
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| 21:35.47 | devXero | all of the other data returned is fine.. e.g. name, mRank, etc.. |
| 21:36.25 | Shirik | when is this run? |
| 21:36.34 | devXero | when you do an inspect on another player |
| 21:37.10 | Shirik | immediately? |
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| 21:37.19 | devXero | actual event is... PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED, then I do a LoadAddOn("Blizzard_TalenUI"), then that code runs |
| 21:37.26 | Dashkal | ok, I should really know better than to click links like that.. |
| 21:37.39 | devXero | oh, also after I load the UI I run InspectUnit("target") |
| 21:37.56 | devXero | to trigger the the actual inspection |
| 21:38.00 | Shirik | So you do InspectUnit("target") and then immediately run the code |
| 21:38.05 | devXero | right |
| 21:38.08 | Shirik | I would advise against that |
| 21:38.13 | Shirik | you may not have the information yet |
| 21:38.21 | devXero | is there a way to make it delay? |
| 21:38.28 | End | wait until the event |
| 21:38.30 | Mery | you don't |
| 21:39.03 | Mery | you need to wait for "INSPECT_TALENT_READY" |
| 21:39.09 | devXero | aaaaah |
| 21:39.14 | devXero | *facepalm* |
| 21:39.20 | End | see, I didn't know the event name :P |
| 21:39.24 | End | I guess Mery knows it |
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| 21:39.33 | devXero | k, let me give that a shot |
| 21:39.36 | Mery | no |
| 21:39.36 | devXero | thanks |
| 21:39.44 | Mery | i looked it all up |
| 21:39.48 | End | lol |
| 21:39.52 | Mery | that's why it took so long |
| 21:40.07 | End | I just assumed there was an event, I didn't bother trying to find the name :P |
| 21:41.38 | Tem | aren't you supposed to do NotifyInspect? |
| 21:41.58 | Tem | and respond to the event that it fires? |
| 21:43.02 | End | It looks like InspectUnit() is defined in lua |
| 21:43.11 | End | and NotifyInspect() is the actual entry point |
| 21:43.16 | End | to C side |
| 21:43.32 | Shirik | InspectUnit would trigger the dialog |
| 21:43.36 | Shirik | Tem is correct |
| 21:44.00 | Maldivia | InspectUnit is just a wrapper for InspectFrame_Show |
| 21:46.47 | Tekkub | Maldivia, did you have, like, a link? |
| 21:46.58 | Maldivia | Tekkub: wowinterface :) |
| 21:47.29 | Maldivia | Tekkub: where else? |
| 21:47.45 | devXero | w0oT! |
| 21:47.46 | Tekkub | *shrug* |
| 21:47.58 | Maldivia | heh |
| 21:47.58 | devXero | thanks everyone... It was as you said, me not waiting for the event to fire |
| 21:49.01 | Tekkub | Maldivia, sweet, now we just need to come up with a common format to use on the addon channel to auto-broadcast links |
| 21:49.10 | Shirik | so where does the UIDropDown* appear on wowprogramming? |
| 21:51.05 | End | I see a chapter |
| 21:51.09 | End | but that might only be in the book |
| 21:51.45 | Maldivia | Tekkub: problem with the trade-links is that they are build-specific |
| 21:52.13 | Tekkub | ah |
| 21:52.17 | Maldivia | Tekkub: any build that adds/removed a recipe to a profession can/will change the bitmask |
| 21:52.28 | End | Maldivia: did you just go and turn each bit on to find them? |
| 21:52.32 | Tekkub | so you'll have to flush links on a change |
| 21:53.06 | Maldivia | End: naah - just extracted it directly from the dbc files :) |
| 21:53.14 | End | oh, that's much easier |
| 21:53.23 | End | I wondered if they were stored in the dbc files or not |
| 21:53.34 | End | but I didn't feel like mucking about with those anymore |
| 21:53.59 | Tekkub | Maldivia, sounds to me like we need a little lib to manage the encode/decode here so people can update quickly |
| 21:55.00 | Maldivia | Tekkub: well, they are very easy to encode and decode, and my code for it could probably use some tuning, it was just something I threw together quick :) |
| 21:55.34 | Tekkub | if you provide me with data updates, I can make a lib :) |
| 21:56.05 | Maldivia | I have a script that generate my Data.lua file for me :) |
| 21:56.18 | Tekkub | perfect! |
| 21:56.59 | Maldivia | the only profession not covered (that produces something) is mining |
| 21:57.28 | End | mining produces something? |
| 21:57.36 | Maldivia | bars from smelting |
| 21:57.47 | End | oh, right |
| 21:57.54 | End | I thought you were refering to the link itself |
| 21:57.57 | Neuro_Medivh | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26128485/?GT1=43001 I want one. |
| 21:58.21 | End | I could be wrong, but I think the get tradeskill link function doesn't even do anything for mining |
| 21:58.23 | Maldivia | are there still 2 tradeskill apis? |
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| 21:58.44 | Maldivia | could be that only one of the apis are supported, and mining uses the other |
| 21:59.01 | End | I thought they unified all the apis |
| 21:59.15 | End | I didn't really look though |
| 21:59.34 | Maldivia | me neither -- could be they haven't converted all yey? |
| 21:59.36 | Maldivia | yet* |
| 22:00.11 | End | could be...I thought enchanting was the notable odd and I thought I heard they converted it over |
| 22:00.15 | End | but I dunno |
| 22:00.26 | Shirik | I just got this awesome email from the school |
| 22:00.33 | Shirik | telling me to leave for Boston tomorrow |
| 22:00.42 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 22:00.56 | Anaral | So I take it Northrend is still down? |
| 22:01.09 | Neuro_Medivh | Lich King too I believe |
| 22:01.19 | Anaral | Lovely |
| 22:02.04 | End | Lich King was down for a bit last night I noticed...but stuff being down should hardly be surprising I guess |
| 22:02.14 | Cralor` | so was Northrend |
| 22:02.52 | Pneumatus | are they patching beta tonight? |
| 22:03.06 | End | what the crap, another horde guild on my server just disbanded |
| 22:03.14 | End | our server kills horde kills |
| 22:03.37 | End | (I wouldn't know about alliance, because I'm not alliance) |
| 22:03.42 | NightHawkTheSane | End: what server? |
| 22:03.48 | End | Bonechewer |
| 22:04.09 | NightHawkTheSane | also, is anyone on northrend (server) at the moment? |
| 22:04.22 | Maldivia | think both US servers are fubar right now |
| 22:04.26 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, wait, i should read up |
| 22:04.27 | NightHawkTheSane | nevermind me |
| 22:04.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:04.31 | purl | strangles NightHawkTheSane with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 22:04.32 | End | lol |
| 22:05.34 | Industrial | Anyone playing a hunter in wotlk? |
| 22:06.08 | Industrial | I'm wondering now that pets have talent trees and certain pet families have different trees which is best for tanking |
| 22:06.52 | Industrial | I've seen a talent tree that does more dps, heals the pet by 5% on some attacks and can res the pet automatically every 10 mins and does extra damage, and one that does extra aggro |
| 22:06.58 | Industrial | no idea which is which :< |
| 22:07.12 | Industrial | and I found that the HUEG worms in borean tundra are tameable :O |
| 22:07.23 | Industrial | the ones with the spikes and nice evil jaws :D |
| 22:07.35 | Neuro_Medivh | are they considered exotic? |
| 22:07.46 | Xuerian | Industrial: What are they called? |
| 22:08.01 | Industrial | Neuro_Medivh: yes |
| 22:08.08 | Industrial | Xuerian: um I cant remember >< sec |
| 22:08.33 | Industrial | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/wotlk/families/family_worm.php |
| 22:08.37 | Industrial | worm family |
| 22:08.43 | Industrial | its the top one |
| 22:08.52 | Xuerian | Tundra Crawlers? |
| 22:09.06 | Industrial | yeah |
| 22:09.21 | Industrial | north edge of borean tundra |
| 22:09.27 | Xuerian | Haha those look awesome |
| 22:10.42 | Industrial | indeed :D |
| 22:11.16 | Industrial | got this http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/images/skin_pix/worgblack.jpg now but its meg |
| 22:11.17 | Neuro_Medivh | I kinda like that named warp stalker |
| 22:11.19 | Industrial | meh* |
| 22:11.27 | Neuro_Medivh | who has a summoning animation |
| 22:11.34 | Industrial | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/images/skin_pix/warpstalkerskinblack.jpg ? |
| 22:11.50 | |pez| | Industrial: that's a nice worg :o |
| 22:12.03 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but check out http://www.maniasarcania.com/2008/08/07/gezzarak-the-huntress-tamed-in-beta/ |
| 22:12.11 | Industrial | |pez|: its the new worg model, all over the starting areas :) |
| 22:12.25 | |pez| | Awesome |
| 22:12.32 | |pez| | the old worg sort of looked weird. |
| 22:12.37 | Industrial | Neuro_Medivh: http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/images/skin_pix/eagle.jpg seems cool |
| 22:12.45 | Industrial | well this one seems starved, |pez| :p |
| 22:13.12 | Neuro_Medivh | I was mainly commenting on the warp stalker having the neat "lightning strike" when you call/summon it |
| 22:13.18 | Industrial | oh you cant tame the eagles :< |
| 22:13.21 | |pez| | better that than fat and with a weird run animation. |
| 22:13.31 | Industrial | Neuro_Medivh: its timing out for me |
| 22:13.59 | Neuro_Medivh | same here, I just looked at it like 4 min ago too |
| 22:14.09 | Neuro_Medivh | there it goes |
| 22:14.35 | Neuro_Medivh | ooh, there's a video, didn't see that last time |
| 22:16.18 | Neuro_Medivh | http://www.gamona.de/gamonatv/world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king,gezzarak-die-jaegerin-gezaehmt:video,863106.html for the video |
| 22:16.57 | NightHawkTheSane | thats pretty awesome |
| 22:17.31 | Neuro_Medivh | might get old after awhile, but it's damn impressive nonetheless |
| 22:18.11 | Lunessa | I just want some hunter to tame a Mammoth and name it "Tiny" |
| 22:18.39 | End | I finally get on to lich king |
| 22:18.41 | Neuro_Medivh | new beta build going up |
| 22:18.46 | End | and what do I see? Server shutdown in 12 |
| 22:18.54 | |pez| | haha |
| 22:19.01 | Lunessa | Haha, good. New builds rock. |
| 22:19.07 | Industrial | yes |
| 22:19.16 | Industrial | hopefully they will fix the fail lag servers |
| 22:19.17 | End | I can live with a new build though :P |
| 22:19.20 | Industrial | eu, that is |
| 22:19.33 | End | I could live with being able to mount in capital cities :( |
| 22:19.45 | Industrial | End: first thing you do, try looting something :D It's fun! |
| 22:20.01 | Industrial | at least on eu servers you get to twiddle your thumbs for 5 mins :D |
| 22:20.06 | |pez| | Industrial... 0.o |
| 22:20.13 | End | well, I'm on us, so I'll find out |
| 22:20.20 | NightHawkTheSane | new build? sweet. hopefully they fix the goddamn corrupted models in the osx client >< |
| 22:20.23 | Industrial | did I mention the server breaks every hour or so? |
| 22:20.36 | Industrial | oh, and logging in takes 20 minutes. |
| 22:20.45 | Industrial | literally. I timed it |
| 22:20.54 | End | it took me a while to log on |
| 22:20.59 | |pez| | this is what you get for playing beta! XD |
| 22:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: thats nothing, i was crashing every 30s or so doing a corpse run in HFP. And i had to get a GM to move my DK while he was in flight over hinterlands, because of corrupted models. |
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| 22:21.27 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: every time i got on the boat back to SW it would drop me in the water at the edge of the map |
| 22:21.30 | Industrial | :D |
| 22:21.38 | End | well |
| 22:21.44 | End | looks like I can't mount outside either |
| 22:21.46 | NightHawkTheSane | but it didn't crash your client. :P |
| 22:22.29 | End | and I see nothing to kill to see if looting sucks |
| 22:22.45 | End | I'm guessing the server is pretty broken right now :P |
| 22:23.12 | cbreak | I didn't have corrupt models |
| 22:23.19 | Industrial | End: apparently players on the US wotlk server(s! we have 1 just pve) have no probs |
| 22:23.22 | cbreak | or at least I didn't notice it |
| 22:23.30 | End | and chatting doesn't work |
| 22:23.37 | End | I'm on pvp with this char |
| 22:24.36 | Sixen | Hai |
| 22:27.45 | Shirik | What is <PH>? |
| 22:27.52 | Esamynn | place holder |
| 22:27.59 | Esamynn | would be my guess |
| 22:28.08 | Shirik | meaning what? |
| 22:28.16 | End | meaning the model is temporary |
| 22:28.30 | End | (usually at least) |
| 22:28.43 | Esamynn | they used an old model, instead of just letting it show you a checkered cube |
| 22:29.01 | Shirik | I was actually referring to an achievement here |
| 22:29.02 | Esamynn | Checkered Cube = MOST DANGEROUS MOB IN ALL OF WoW |
| 22:29.21 | End | for an achievement? could be temporary name |
| 22:29.32 | Shirik | that makes sense |
| 22:29.42 | End | mostly you just see NYI achievements though |
| 22:29.51 | Shirik | yeah it was <PH><NYI> |
| 22:29.57 | Shirik | Um, so will publix have air filters? |
| 22:29.58 | End | hm |
| 22:29.59 | Shirik | (for AC) |
| 22:30.06 | Shirik | or do I have to go to something like home depot |
| 22:30.12 | Esamynn | huh? |
| 22:30.36 | Shirik | those little square filter thingies for your AC |
| 22:30.41 | Shirik | will they have them at publix? |
| 22:30.52 | Equitoen | I love me some checkered models |
| 22:31.19 | KarlKFI | wtf is publix |
| 22:31.43 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:31.46 | Shirik | publix is awesome |
| 22:32.02 | Shirik | !g publix |
| 22:32.03 | batbot | Shirik: Welcome to Publix Super Markets, Inc. <http://www.publix.com/> |
| 22:32.48 | KarlKFI | never heard of it |
| 22:33.34 | KarlKFI | looks like an albertsons |
| 22:33.47 | Shirik | wtf is albertsons |
| 22:34.16 | KarlKFI | Vons? |
| 22:34.20 | End | a grocery store chain |
| 22:34.52 | KarlKFI | lolz the Publix Find a store drop down has 5 states in it |
| 22:35.16 | KarlKFI | all in the south looks like |
| 22:35.19 | Shirik|AFK | :( |
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| 22:36.48 | KarlKFI | looks liek Publix is buying up Albertsons in Florida |
| 22:37.03 | End | yeah I saw that too |
| 22:37.54 | Kirov | Possibly the only thing I miss from Florida (apart from the pool hall with the cute bartender) is the Publix deli. |
| 22:38.18 | KarlKFI | http://images.theledger.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=LL&Date=20080610&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=806100417&Ref=AR |
| 22:38.21 | Kirov | Many a night's dinner were had thanks to them. |
| 22:39.41 | KarlKFI | "Albertsons LLC is a North American grocery company based in Boise, Idaho with about 325 supermarkets located in Arizona, California, New Mexico, Colorado, Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Florida under the Albertson's, County Line Liquor and Super Saver Foods banners" |
| 22:40.17 | KarlKFI | tho http://supermarketnews.com/profiles/2008-top-75/ does rate PUblix higher... then again they have wal-mart #1 so i dunno if I trust that list |
| 22:40.33 | Neuro_Medivh | of course wal-mart is #1 |
| 22:40.40 | Neuro_Medivh | top selling store in the world |
| 22:41.05 | KarlKFI | well it doesn't really say what the ranking is |
| 22:41.16 | KarlKFI | just says top retailers |
| 22:41.23 | Esamynn | http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/08/13/2037219.shtml O_O |
| 22:41.38 | KarlKFI | can't be size or coverage, could be stock price for all i know |
| 22:41.48 | Neuro_Medivh | gross sales |
| 22:42.38 | Neuro_Medivh | I know wal-mart is the biggest employer outside the govt, and the top selling retailer |
| 22:42.58 | End | top revenue for certain |
| 22:43.04 | KarlKFI | guess that makes sense since public is highly densely packed |
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| 22:43.37 | KarlKFI | they have almost a thousand stores in 4 states |
| 22:43.40 | Icecoldcoke | O hi. |
| 22:43.55 | KarlKFI | compared to 325 in 8 states |
| 22:44.11 | amro | Shirik|AFK: reinterpret_cast didn't work, though I suspect it's because I screwed up when pushing them into the vector |
| 22:44.33 | KarlKFI | looks liek Publix is the ONLY grocery store chain in those 4 states.. |
| 22:44.38 | Neuro_Medivh | Wal-Mart is the largest grocery retailer in the United States, with an estimated 20% of the retail grocery and consumables business, as well as the largest toy seller in the U.S. - Wikipedia |
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| 22:45.47 | KarlKFI | ok nm, there's a lot of wal-marts in FL too |
| 22:46.10 | KarlKFI | tho i dont usually think of walmart as a food place |
| 22:46.23 | KarlKFI | think of it more like target |
| 22:46.30 | End | it didn't used to be a food place |
| 22:46.38 | KarlKFI | neither did target |
| 22:46.45 | End | that's true |
| 22:46.55 | End | I don't think of target as a food place either :P |
| 22:47.10 | End | but they both are now... |
| 22:47.20 | KarlKFI | it's not. it's just a place where you go for stuff and say oo i need some food too |
| 22:47.39 | KarlKFI | liek a giant candy isle for hungry people |
| 22:48.10 | End | Super Target and the Walmart supercenters are ful blown grocery stores + the clothes and stuff they originally sold |
| 22:48.17 | Neuro_Medivh | well, the walmart near my house has a full on grocery store section |
| 22:48.30 | jaxdahl | never go shopping for groceries when you are hungry |
| 22:48.33 | Neuro_Medivh | which is nice at 2am when I want some OJ |
| 22:48.51 | jaxdahl | unless you actually _are_ starving |
| 22:48.56 | jaxdahl | and have no food |
| 22:49.05 | Neuro_Medivh | though, it's disconcerting to walk into a walmart at 2-3 in the morning and the place is still busy |
| 22:49.13 | KarlKFI | that's the point.. you go for other target things and then you walk past the food on accident and you're screwed |
| 22:49.38 | jaxdahl | i find that 3:30-4:30am is the best time to go to walmart |
| 22:49.40 | Nechckn | Nah... that's the time to go. The fruit and veg section makes quick work of such hunger. =) |
| 22:49.43 | KarlKFI | that's why they have icees and a starbucks at the entrance |
| 22:49.50 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, that's every store in the world, Karl |
| 22:50.06 | Neuro_Medivh | that's why the candy bars and magazines are at the checkout line |
| 22:50.12 | Neuro_Medivh | impulse purchases! |
| 22:50.14 | Lunessa | No time is a /good/ time to go to Wal*Mart - but there are time where it's easier to endure than others. |
| 22:50.15 | KarlKFI | walk past thinking, hmm i need some towels.... then your's suddenly... damn i'm thirsty |
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| 22:50.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa, you should see the Walmart here... it's FANCY |
| 22:51.22 | KarlKFI | target in pasadena has 3 floors, 2 escalators, a glass elevator and a 3 floor parking garage |
| 22:51.24 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: Yeah, several of them here are too. I mean POSH. But I always end up going at like 1am when they're stocking so it is always cluttered and hard to get around. |
| 22:51.33 | KarlKFI | 2 glass elevators |
| 22:51.48 | Neuro_Medivh | on the one hand, I can see where Walmart is a blight on free enterprise... but on the other hand, they are cheap AND they give old people a cushy "greeter" job |
| 22:52.10 | KarlKFI | could say the sam ething about ikea |
| 22:52.18 | Neuro_Medivh | damn swedes! |
| 22:52.40 | KarlKFI | i'm like, damn i hate this crap... but it's so cheep! |
| 22:52.41 | Neuro_Medivh | or is ikea norway? I can't ever remember |
| 22:52.46 | KarlKFI | swedish |
| 22:52.58 | Lunessa | They're a capitalist success story. And they've managed to use the might of their position to make themselves a fierce competitor. If you want to be in a business near them, it's wise to cater to a need they don't. :P |
| 22:53.26 | Neuro_Medivh | competitor my ass, they dictate terms to the manufacturers |
| 22:53.29 | KarlKFI | that's why there's a fry's next door |
| 22:53.36 | Neuro_Medivh | Fry's???? |
| 22:53.44 | Neuro_Medivh | your basis of comparison is Fry's? |
| 22:53.54 | KarlKFI | lol, next to the ikea |
| 22:54.03 | End | well it really is a capitalist success story |
| 22:54.16 | End | now they own all the capital ;-P |
| 22:54.18 | Neuro_Medivh | I have more loathing for Fry's than Walmart, that's for sure |
| 22:54.25 | Nechckn | true- not a democratic success story, though |
| 22:54.41 | KarlKFI | fry's is ok as logn as you buy things they can't possibly fuck up |
| 22:55.08 | Neuro_Medivh | every single time I've bought a computer component from fry's, it's been opened beforehand and returned |
| 22:55.22 | Neuro_Medivh | they all have those stickers on them |
| 22:55.32 | KarlKFI | lol. that's the point. you buy pre-packaged name brand there, not their lowest bidder components |
| 22:55.37 | Lunessa | Put all three in one lot, add a McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's,Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, a KFC, movie theater pool hall and a whore house and you have an entire commercial district. Just sprinkle with subdivisions and a freeway off-ramp. |
| 22:55.59 | Neuro_Medivh | that's any major intersection in Dallas |
| 22:56.08 | End | Lunessa: sounds like america to me |
| 22:56.21 | Lunessa | I know. Only Dallas has a hotel that looks like a lipstick tube. |
| 22:56.27 | KarlKFI | no whore houses here, have to look for them |
| 22:56.32 | Neuro_Medivh | yes there are |
| 22:56.32 | Xuerian | Lunessa: Hey, you know my town |
| 22:56.41 | Neuro_Medivh | they're called "Executive Spa" |
| 22:56.49 | KarlKFI | yeah basicly |
| 22:56.58 | KarlKFI | Gentleman's Club |
| 22:57.03 | Neuro_Medivh | no, those are strip clubs |
| 22:57.10 | KarlKFI | oh sorry |
| 22:57.20 | Lunessa | I know america. I know it well. I've been to nearly all of the main 48 and several of the "territories" - I like to travel. :P |
| 22:57.37 | KarlKFI | you forgot starbucks |
| 22:57.42 | Lunessa | Neuro- you're in Dallas? |
| 22:57.45 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes |
| 22:57.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Plano, specifically |
| 22:57.56 | KarlKFI | and Macy's |
| 22:57.56 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: No, it's in the Wal*Mart |
| 22:58.03 | End | lol |
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| 22:58.19 | End | there's a 50% chance there's one next to the walmart too though ;-p |
| 22:58.22 | Neuro_Medivh | no, the Starbucks is in the Barnes&Nobles |
| 22:58.29 | Lunessa | Neuro_Medivh: I'm in Houston/Galveston |
| 22:58.33 | KarlKFI | that's a 'Starbux' |
| 22:58.40 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm originally from Houston, moved to Dallas about 2 years ago |
| 22:58.46 | KarlKFI | they serve starbucks coffe but dont accept the gift cards |
| 22:59.07 | Neuro_Medivh | nah, it's fine... I got tired of Houston summers |
| 22:59.43 | Neuro_Medivh | and I can still get Blue Bell, and Shiner, and Whataburger, etc |
| 23:00.33 | Lunessa | Damn you. Now I want a shiner and a steak |
| 23:00.42 | Neuro_Medivh | Saltgrass! |
| 23:00.54 | Lunessa | Mmm... one about 10 mins from here. |
| 23:01.11 | Neuro_Medivh | or a Logan's Roadhouse, those are good too |
| 23:02.28 | Lunessa | So hungry. And I still have so much work to do. |
| 23:02.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: dude, start bringing in food. you're always starving at like 4pm. |
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| 23:03.02 | KarlKFI | stop it, you'll make me go to Outback... |
| 23:03.20 | Lunessa | Actually, it's 6, and I brought food. I'm just thinking .... tonight I should get something better than soup. |
| 23:03.21 | Neuro_Medivh | Outback is crap |
| 23:03.51 | Neuro_Medivh | they always cook a steak too fast... |
| 23:04.04 | Xuerian | Why go to outback? |
| 23:04.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: well i had no idea what time zone you're in. ;) and if you're hungry, and have food.. eat it? |
| 23:04.13 | Xuerian | Go shoot a deer and bbq it yourself |
| 23:04.17 | Xuerian | om nom nom |
| 23:04.23 | Neuro_Medivh | not deer season yet |
| 23:04.25 | Lunessa | nom nom nom nom nom |
| 23:04.27 | NightHawkTheSane | .. because you can't get steak from deer? |
| 23:04.38 | Xuerian | You make a unfortunate point, neuro... |
| 23:04.39 | Lunessa | Venison steaks... nom nom nom nom |
| 23:04.44 | Xuerian | Hahaha NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:04.47 | Xuerian | So naieve |
| 23:04.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not a venison fan, myself |
| 23:04.57 | Xuerian | So... lacking venison. |
| 23:05.11 | Xuerian | Eh, I'll admit, they can be done badly |
| 23:05.14 | Xuerian | But they can be done very well too. |
| 23:05.21 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, that's anything =) |
| 23:05.37 | Xuerian | So? :P |
| 23:05.43 | Neuro_Medivh | though you raise a good point |
| 23:05.44 | Xuerian | I can make cheezy points sometimes, it's allowed |
| 23:06.02 | Neuro_Medivh | perhaps this weekend I'll fire up the grill and grill me some steaks |
| 23:06.21 | Neuro_Medivh | was just a wee bit too hot last weekend |
| 23:06.22 | Xuerian | If anything, it's more fun than going to outback |
| 23:06.42 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, I never go to Outback.. I'd go to Saltgrass or Texas Land & Cattle first |
| 23:06.47 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Also, don't knock venison till you've tried fried venison tenders, breaded |
| 23:06.53 | Mikk | wth i alt tab back and you're talking bloody steaks?! |
| 23:07.03 | Neuro_Medivh | No |
| 23:07.06 | Neuro_Medivh | medium steaks |
| 23:07.14 | Neuro_Medivh | not a big fan of bloody |
| 23:07.24 | Lunessa | Oh man, Texas Land & Cattle is an hour + drive away... |
| 23:07.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: i've not had that, to be sure. But i'm not really knocking it. Simply saying that it's not really what i care for. |
| 23:07.27 | Xuerian | Neither am I... Venison comes out tender enough even when medium |
| 23:07.35 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: lol |
| 23:07.45 | Neuro_Medivh | Lunessa, I prefer Saltgrass anyway |
| 23:07.57 | Neuro_Medivh | they have the Shiner bread |
| 23:08.28 | Lunessa | Saltgrass is cheaper, and closer and ... ... fuck they take too long to serve food on my lunch break. Maybe I'll go this weekend. |
| 23:08.44 | Neuro_Medivh | no more Bennigans though =( |
| 23:09.11 | Mikk | That's when you get to know the people that work there so you can call them go and go "hi! i'll be over there in 30 minutes and i'd like a <insert dish here>, could you start it up plix?" |
| 23:09.19 | Mikk | \o/ |
| 23:10.18 | Mikk | Granted, you need to know people pretty well for them to make exceptions during lunch rush :o) |
| 23:11.09 | Lunessa | Mikk - that would assume I routinely have $18-25 bucks for lunch often enough to get to know them that well. :P |
| 23:11.16 | Mikk | Fair point! |
| 23:11.45 | Mikk | Tbh I'm mostly waiting for my kernel to compile... on a 600 Mhz box... so I'll happily yap away about most everything |
| 23:11.47 | Lunessa | I works for a university, they don't pay /that/ well. :P |
| 23:12.05 | Neuro_Medivh | which one? UH-Galv? |
| 23:13.53 | Lunessa | UH Clear Lake |
| 23:14.14 | p3lim | is there some api to detect max number of minipets in beta? |
| 23:15.04 | Neuro_Medivh | *is* there a max number of minipets? |
| 23:16.37 | p3lim | no, but... |
| 23:16.44 | Lunessa | I don't know. You can get the number a user has, and the display only defaults to two rows... but I bet there isn't a max. |
| 23:16.55 | p3lim | let me put it this way, is there a way to detect how many you have? |
| 23:16.58 | p3lim | as in a number |
| 23:17.05 | Lunessa | One sec... |
| 23:17.36 | p3lim | while youre at it, is there a api to summon a minipet? |
| 23:17.39 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: yes, and eys |
| 23:17.53 | NightHawkTheSane | check out the beta ui macro forum, there's a thread about mount macros there. |
| 23:18.04 | amro | Kirov: ping |
| 23:18.05 | p3lim | eu or us? |
| 23:18.12 | NightHawkTheSane | us |
| 23:18.14 | Esamynn | p3lim: best of all the companion API, IS NOT restricted, addons can call it at will |
| 23:18.20 | End | Yeah |
| 23:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557016750&sid=2000 |
| 23:18.43 | p3lim | thanks |
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| 23:19.00 | NightHawkTheSane | actually |
| 23:19.02 | NightHawkTheSane | this thread is better |
| 23:19.03 | NightHawkTheSane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8537784152&sid=2000 |
| 23:19.14 | Neuro_Medivh | what does the game call minipets? |
| 23:19.22 | Lunessa | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetNumCompanions |
| 23:19.23 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel's post (#2) has it pretty well laid out |
| 23:19.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: companions |
| 23:19.36 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, no, it's critter |
| 23:19.42 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.43 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, you mean the constant, yeah |
| 23:19.43 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: or or, you could get REALLY insane and check out Iriel's 3.0 changes thread |
| 23:19.46 | p3lim | that could work, right? |
| 23:19.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: ... fuck you. and fuck your logic. |
| 23:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 23:20.08 | Esamynn | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:20.08 | purl | takes a big bite out of NightHawkTheSane's jugular vein |
| 23:20.13 | Lunessa | p3lim: Looks ok. |
| 23:20.25 | Esamynn | p3lim: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&sid=1#1 |
| 23:20.25 | p3lim | Lunessa: neat, no need for addons to do it for me then :P |
| 23:20.45 | SeiferTim | Okay, so, maybe I'm just missing it - I thought it was originally tied to Guild Invites, but I found that to not be the case...so how can I tell when a player has asked me to sign their guild charter? |
| 23:20.45 | NightHawkTheSane | theoretically, someone could probably right a reasonably decent mount addon. |
| 23:21.13 | Mikk | SeiferTim: http://www.wowwiki.com/events/Guild |
| 23:21.15 | Lunessa | Alestane already wrote "BLazing Saddles" |
| 23:21.17 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.22 | p3lim | thats more right |
| 23:21.28 | Neuro_Medivh | yep |
| 23:21.30 | Mikk | SeiferTim: errno my bad |
| 23:21.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i was thinking something a bit more robust, possibly not requiring a macro slot. *shrug* |
| 23:21.54 | alestane | Blazing Saddles doesn't work at the moment admittedly, I was on vacation when they broke it and haven't fixed it yet. |
| 23:22.00 | NightHawkTheSane | that too. |
| 23:22.01 | p3lim | no more silly addons for that then :) |
| 23:22.28 | Hirsute | Where does one find the beta forums (I know, stupid question, feel free to pummel me after answering) |
| 23:22.38 | Neuro_Medivh | beta.worldofwarcraft.com/forums |
| 23:22.38 | ScytheBlade1 | forums.worldofwarcraft.com/?sid=2000 |
| 23:22.39 | Hirsute | nvm, found them |
| 23:22.53 | Hirsute | But, since you beat me, I shall now prepare for the pummelling |
| 23:22.54 | Lunessa | I'm still running totally default UI in beta right now. I know, blasphemy! |
| 23:23.10 | Neuro_Medivh | not me... mine is almost identical to my live UI |
| 23:23.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: same. It really isn't "bad" |
| 23:23.22 | p3lim | that would work for mounts too, CallCompanion('MOUNT', math.random(1, GetNumCompanion('MOUNT')) |
| 23:23.38 | End | sort of |
| 23:23.45 | End | some mounts aren't usable everywhere |
| 23:23.50 | Lunessa | I use a few macros, and I figured I'd wait for the game to be "feature complete" re API and such before I went nuts. |
| 23:23.51 | p3lim | true.. hm |
| 23:23.56 | NightHawkTheSane | my only real issue with the default ui is a few things, like debuff display, cast bars.. |
| 23:24.16 | End | and my "level 30" mount is in there too :P |
| 23:24.31 | p3lim | lol |
| 23:24.34 | End | <-- warlock |
| 23:24.45 | End | so I don't even have a choice, it's in there :P |
| 23:24.47 | p3lim | maybe there will be filters |
| 23:24.58 | p3lim | 30, 60, flying |
| 23:25.02 | End | you could write an addon to filter it |
| 23:25.14 | p3lim | with a db? |
| 23:25.18 | NightHawkTheSane | which is more or less what i said a bit ago. :p |
| 23:25.20 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 23:25.27 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd just compare your mounts to a pre-defined list |
| 23:25.46 | End | either that or look for certain words (although that be bad for localization, so a db would probably be better) |
| 23:25.47 | p3lim | or make a full db with all mounts ingame so others can use it too? |
| 23:26.03 | p3lim | using spellIDs ofc |
| 23:26.07 | p3lim | or something |
| 23:26.16 | Neuro_Medivh | should be an api command to query what type of mount you are attempting to summon |
| 23:26.26 | NightHawkTheSane | well, if periodictable gets updated, which i assume it would, that would probably work? |
| 23:26.27 | Esamynn | I think the GetCompanionInfo API needs 2 more returns for mounts, speed and flying |
| 23:26.36 | Neuro_Medivh | nah, just one more return |
| 23:26.44 | Esamynn | oh? |
| 23:26.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 23:27.03 | Neuro_Medivh | you can combine them into 1 return... 1 and 2 are ground mounts, 3 and 4 flying |
| 23:27.20 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: what about different speed flying mounts |
| 23:27.25 | Esamynn | there are 3 different speeds already |
| 23:27.25 | Neuro_Medivh | that's 3 and 4 |
| 23:27.32 | Neuro_Medivh | there's only 2 afaik |
| 23:27.34 | End | there's 320 or whatever too |
| 23:27.39 | Esamynn | 310 |
| 23:27.39 | End | for glad and alar |
| 23:27.42 | End | oh, 310 |
| 23:27.48 | Xuerian | Gladiator's drakes |
| 23:27.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i think two returns for flying/ground and speed is better, honestly |
| 23:27.52 | Neuro_Medivh | ok, then 1-5 |
| 23:27.57 | NightHawkTheSane | it feels more futureproof. |
| 23:28.17 | Esamynn | they've also been talking about mounts that can take a passenger... ;) |
| 23:28.19 | cbreak | or you could use two return values |
| 23:28.34 | cbreak | first if it's ground or air, second the percentage of speed |
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| 23:28.43 | Esamynn | I think I hear and echo |
| 23:28.44 | cbreak | I think there are ground mounts that are walk speed too |
| 23:28.54 | Neuro_Medivh | those would return 0 =) |
| 23:28.57 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: .. isn't that what me and Esamynn are saying? |
| 23:29.02 | Esamynn | ~lart Neuro_Medivh |
| 23:29.02 | purl | explains, ever so gently, that if Neuro_Medivh doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 23:29.12 | Esamynn | ~~~ |
| 23:29.19 | cbreak | maybe. You don't want people to agree? :) |
| 23:29.36 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: well, your phrasing seemed like you were disagreeing with us :) |
| 23:29.44 | Esamynn | ~~~~ |
| 23:29.44 | purl | ARGH!!! STOP IT esamynn!!! |
| 23:29.49 | Neuro_Medivh | the point being, there's currently no method to query a mount as to what type of mount it is, there hsould be |
| 23:29.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Neuro_Medivh: agreed. |
| 23:30.05 | cbreak | tooltip parsing :/ |
| 23:30.16 | Esamynn | yuck |
| 23:30.23 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, spellid database is smarter if you're going that route |
| 23:30.26 | p3lim | just one more return, that beeing the raw speed value |
| 23:30.33 | p3lim | hm |
| 23:30.47 | Hirsute | Yeah, it looks like tooltip parsing or building a database would be the way to go, but those can't be done easily in macros. |
| 23:31.24 | NightHawkTheSane | nope, but the current API method can be called by addons, so |
| 23:32.04 | Mikk | Re: getting speed returns for mounts .... |
| 23:32.10 | Mikk | What the game REALLY REALLY needs |
| 23:32.23 | Mikk | Is a way to get everything that you get out of tooltips |
| 23:32.30 | Mikk | Except without f*cking around with tooltips! |
| 23:32.41 | End | that would be really nice, that's true |
| 23:33.00 | Mikk | GetItemStat(itemLink, "MOUNT_GROUND_SPEED") |
| 23:33.04 | Esamynn | Mikk: that's a nice dream world you're living in :P |
| 23:33.20 | End | I'd say I wouldn't expect that to happen, but they redid the combat log already, so I'm not going to say it can't happen |
| 23:33.21 | Neuro_Medivh | isn't there some kind of "GetToolTip()" api? |
| 23:33.25 | Xuerian | Esamynn: Honestly though, why don't they just do it? Why force tooltip parsing? |
| 23:33.40 | Mikk | Neuro_Medivh: yeah.. you can get all the tooltip text... but that's in the client's local language! |
| 23:34.01 | Mikk | + there's a dozen different ways of writing the same bonus |
| 23:34.04 | Esamynn | Xuerian: because they secretly hate most of you :P |
| 23:34.05 | Xuerian | Esamynn: For crying out loud I have to scan tooltips to check if if a item is bop/boe or not |
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| 23:34.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone have a size on the new build? |
| 23:34.14 | Xuerian | Why isn't that in GetItemInfo? |
| 23:34.24 | Esamynn | ~comfort Xuerian |
| 23:34.24 | purl | There, there, Xuerian. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:34.28 | Mikk | I can see why it isn't in getiteminfo. |
| 23:34.36 | Mikk | What I want is for it to be in GetItemStat() :) |
| 23:35.04 | Xuerian | GetItemStat would be nice indeed |
| 23:35.33 | Neuro_Medivh | it's funny, the types of debates the UI community has... normal players just complain about pvp vs pve, and why their own class needs to be buffed =) |
| 23:35.43 | Esamynn | heheh |
| 23:35.43 | Mikk | Some stats would get funky names ofc... and a true/false return |
| 23:35.50 | Neuro_Medivh | whereas we debate the pros and cons of API calls =) |
| 23:36.17 | Mikk | and boobs |
| 23:36.24 | Xuerian | mikk: The only confusing thing would really be special things, on hit, on equip, etc.. |
| 23:36.27 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. there's nothing to debate about boobs. |
| 23:36.29 | NightHawkTheSane | boobs are good. |
| 23:36.40 | End | Yeah, special things would be the bad part |
| 23:36.41 | Mikk | Xuerian: "On Equip" stuff would be separated out to separate stats ofc |
| 23:36.56 | Lunessa | We don't debate boobs. We bask in the glory which they define. And we drool. |
| 23:37.07 | End | not all On Equip are stats, and I don't think the game seems them as stats :P |
| 23:37.22 | Xuerian | "GetItemDetails" |
| 23:37.27 | Mikk | Boobs are like art. Not the kind of art where you scratch your goatee and go "hmmm", but rather the kind of art that you stick your face in and go "BLBLBLBLBLBLL!" |
| 23:37.49 | Mikk | </wowbash.com> |
| 23:38.07 | End | it sounds like On Equip: just apply a "spell" though, so we might be able to get a list of spell ids or something |
| 23:38.16 | End | (at least, wowhead and thott thing they're really just spells) |
| 23:38.20 | End | think* |
| 23:38.36 | Mikk | a lot of the stuff is just spell-y things that exist in the dbc files yes |
| 23:38.44 | Mikk | then ofc there's dummy scripts that trigger stuff on the server |
| 23:38.49 | Mikk | that's a bit harder to parse |
| 23:38.56 | Mikk | not that we need all of those |
| 23:39.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Mikk: Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 23:39.39 | End | Which newsletter? Mikk Monthly Minute? or Mikk's Daily |
| 23:39.48 | NightHawkTheSane | the one with the boobs. |
| 23:40.02 | Industrial | Mikk: rofl @ quote |
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| 23:41.27 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, I'm sure there are a few that don't bask in the glow of boobage. I doubt Cairenn gets overly excited by them, for example |
| 23:42.25 | Lunessa | She still basks in the glow, but only 'cause she's an emmiter. |
| 23:43.45 | NightHawkTheSane | a light bulb still basks in it's own light, even if it's not excited by it. |
| 23:43.59 | Neuro_Medivh | well, since no beta tonight, I think I'll go hit the public library and find something good to read |
| 23:44.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i suggest going IN the library, and not hitting it. the books are easier to find that way |
| 23:44.37 | End | he has anger issues |
| 23:45.16 | Lunessa | Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog it's too dark to read ~Groucho Marx |
| 23:45.38 | End | depends |
| 23:45.39 | Esamynn | ... |
| 23:45.45 | End | inside a dog is alright if you bring a flashlight |
| 23:46.22 | NightHawkTheSane | would have to be a big dog. |
| 23:46.33 | End | or a small person |
| 23:46.38 | End | we call them midgets |
| 23:48.16 | Corrodias | today i will update my browser and trim my open tabs |
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