| 00:01.19 | Duman | ok, that was an even better fail |
| 00:01.26 | Duman | got a murloc, but no error text |
| 00:01.28 | Duman | sigh |
| 00:03.11 | Sixen | lol |
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| 00:09.03 | cbreak | addons with a toc that is newer than that of wow won't be loaded? |
| 00:09.35 | Aiiane | they're treated just like ones with a toc that is older |
| 00:09.41 | Aiiane | have to check load out of date if you want them loaded |
| 00:10.08 | kd3 | they've sold 12 |
| 00:10.25 | kd3 | according to one person's report on the forum after talking to customer support |
| 00:11.06 | cbreak | good, at least they don't show up as incompatible |
| 00:11.27 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, 12 |
| 00:11.41 | ScytheBlade1 | .ap 1800 |
| 00:13.50 | kd3 | rofl... fark: [Ironic] "The Russians -- in a stunning piece of irony -- have twice bombed the Su-25 Frogfoot manufacturing plant" ... with a Su-25 Frogfoot |
| 00:14.35 | Gnarfoz | fark = win |
| 00:15.40 | Aiiane | lol kd3 |
| 00:17.23 | DARKGuy | lol, ownag3 |
| 00:19.28 | Gnarfoz | sigh, I guess I'll have to farm rested xp at the slow, non-inn rate |
| 00:19.35 | Gnarfoz | world server down again ^^ |
| 00:20.01 | Anaral | You too? Thought it was just a random crash |
| 00:20.12 | Anaral | Logging in right now... maybe. |
| 00:20.20 | Anaral | I'm dead, but in. |
| 00:22.24 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/28b305adb615a732c89258716c769c6105704e7f/116393699_612744e4f7_b.jpg |
| 00:22.26 | Kaso | <3 this |
| 00:22.48 | kd3 | heh |
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| 00:23.07 | kd3 | delta uses rhel2 for its seat-back entertainment system |
| 00:24.48 | ccox | "The Blizcon ticket server will be undergoing rolling restarts starting at 2pm PST, downtime is expected to be FORVEVER" |
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| 00:41.18 | cbreak | hmm... as what should I update addons that run with WotLK? |
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| 00:47.36 | ccox | "as what"? |
| 00:47.44 | ccox | most addons aren't working yet |
| 00:47.56 | ccox | we just got part of the auctioneer suite working this weekend |
| 00:48.17 | haste | *confused* |
| 00:48.33 | Lunessa | ditto |
| 00:48.51 | ccox | cbreak - your last sentence didn't parse |
| 00:49.09 | Arrowmaster | so one of my guildmembers account just got closed for 'exploiting the economny' and he claims to have never even had much gold |
| 00:49.09 | haste | neither did the context in yours ccox |
| 00:50.09 | Sixen | Anyone get tickets yet? |
| 00:50.09 | cbreak | I updated my addon but WoWinterface does not allow my update to be uploaded for WotlK |
| 00:50.09 | ccox | haste - it does in context of his |
| 00:50.10 | cbreak | 2.4 is the newest version |
| 00:50.10 | Neo|Home | cbreak: put it in the wotlk categoryu |
| 00:50.10 | haste | cbreak: ^ |
| 00:50.10 | kd3 | ^ |
| 00:50.10 | cbreak | I can't chose a category. |
| 00:50.10 | Neo|Home | I made mine not compatible with 2.4, in the wotlk category |
| 00:50.10 | ccox | cbreak - ok, that's starting to make more sense |
| 00:50.22 | Sixen | An error has occurred. .... |
| 00:50.49 | cbreak | my addon is compatible with both 2.4 and 3.0. But when I try to update I can not chose 3.0 at all. |
| 00:52.45 | kd3 | someone (tek, maybe?) suggested creating a stub addon in the wrath category with a pointer to the 2.4 version saying "the 2.4 version works in wrath! use it" |
| 00:53.07 | Tekkub | dolby said there will be a flag soon |
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| 01:09.34 | Ackis | anyone get ticks? |
| 01:09.49 | kd3 | rofl. tomcat's throwing errors |
| 01:10.00 | cbreak | Ah well, I just updated them and left a note about compatibility in the changelog/description |
| 01:10.06 | kd3 | "The requested resource (/store/details.xml) is not available." |
| 01:12.18 | Ackis | I get to the last page: There has been an error processing your request. |
| 01:19.46 | ccox | I just love debugging errors that occur inside Blizzard's Lua code.... |
| 01:20.36 | kd3 | hey, it's the murloc |
| 01:20.37 | kd3 | progress |
| 01:20.56 | NightHawkTheSane | hm.. is anyone using x-perl on beta? |
| 01:23.28 | Mooninaut | ooh, outfitter's updated for beta |
| 01:24.56 | ccox | oh, cool |
| 01:25.21 | ccox | moon - where is it posted? |
| 01:27.51 | Anaral | Kd3 I noticed on your Dalaran beta map that you don't have the Inn Keeper, Bank goblin (with working guild bank) and the areana noted. |
| 01:28.19 | kd3 | that's all in the sewers. need to log on beta long enough to map out the underneath |
| 01:28.33 | kd3 | and figure out how I want to show the bg portals |
| 01:28.44 | Anaral | Heh |
| 01:33.26 | Mooninaut | ccox: WotLK section in wowinterface |
| 01:33.40 | ccox | moon - ok, thanks |
| 01:33.46 | Anaral | Yay!!! |
| 01:34.43 | Anaral | I've so missed outfitter. |
| 01:35.50 | Mooninaut | it doesn't seem to actually work for me |
| 01:37.05 | Esamynn | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Packing-Done-Right.aspx |
| 01:37.30 | Anaral | Does X-Perl actually work in Wrath? |
| 01:38.47 | Sixen | (6:20:43 PM) kd3: hey, it's the murloc |
| 01:38.49 | Sixen | not anymore |
| 01:38.51 | Sixen | Now it's Mr.SCV. |
| 01:39.28 | kd3 | rofl. maint again |
| 01:39.42 | Cairenn | lalala |
| 01:42.26 | Kaso | http://xe.bz/aho/24/ in moonspeak but the pictures speak for themselves |
| 01:42.39 | Ackis | Cairenn: get tickets? |
| 01:42.43 | Cairenn | not yet |
| 01:42.46 | Ackis | smae =/ |
| 01:42.59 | Sixen | (6:39:44 PM) ***Esamynn has a ticket! 8) |
| 01:43.01 | Sixen | ho hum? |
| 01:43.26 | Esamynn | am I the first one in here to get one? |
| 01:43.38 | kd3 | kaso; the hell? a hotplate from 50 USB cables? |
| 01:43.49 | Kaso | Seems to be |
| 01:44.04 | ccox | the question is: are you the ONLY one to get one? |
| 01:44.07 | Sixen | Esam, did you get it for free or from the store? |
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| 01:44.10 | Kaso | 30 usb cables! |
| 01:46.21 | Codayus | Oo |
| 01:46.59 | Esamynn | Sixen: maybe it's both! ;) |
| 01:47.09 | Sixen | Alright, let me rephrase. |
| 01:47.17 | Sixen | Did you purchase a ticket from the store? |
| 01:47.24 | |pez| | I should defenetly charge for online support. |
| 01:47.29 | |pez| | I'd be a millionare |
| 01:47.38 | Esamynn | Sixen: yes, I did |
| 01:47.42 | ccox | pez -= always, and charge your parents double rate |
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| 01:47.51 | Sixen | Lucky you. I still can't get through |
| 01:47.57 | Sixen | Even though I got "both", ;). |
| 01:48.00 | Esamynn | Sixen: 66 minutes ago now |
| 01:48.10 | Sixen | :( |
| 01:49.10 | Ackis | I don't know that feeling |
| 01:49.16 | Esamynn | it's a good feeling |
| 01:49.19 | ccox | you mean it doesn't always work? |
| 01:49.29 | Esamynn | lol |
| 01:49.46 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, sometimes i just start wandering down the entirely wrong path.. and never realize it, because i've been dry coding. :p |
| 01:50.07 | Esamynn | that's silly of you, you need to think more :P |
| 01:50.12 | ccox | (it's a developer experience thing) |
| 01:50.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: no time to think! must code faster! :P |
| 01:50.43 | Esamynn | ccox: yes, I've noticed that, as I get more experience, more stuff works right the first time |
| 01:51.07 | ccox | esamynn - yes, and you learn to write more test cases, more unit tests, and test more often :-) |
| 01:51.30 | ccox | esmynn - partly because the more experience you get, the bigger the projects you bite off |
| 01:51.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: .. while I agree.. wouldn't test cases, unit tests, and testing.. sort of by definition mean not "dry coding"? :P |
| 01:52.00 | ccox | night hawk - actually, no - you write them as you go |
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| 01:52.18 | ccox | but you do learn to break things into managable and testable pieces |
| 01:52.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: yeah, but actually using the test cases and such really constitutes some kind of testing at all, which i agree is good |
| 01:52.40 | ccox | I think my record is 2 weeks writing without a compile |
| 01:53.07 | ccox | the unit tests and test cases are there to help identify the problems once you do start testing |
| 01:53.17 | Esamynn | define "compile", were you using a smart IDE? ;) |
| 01:53.19 | ccox | but just thinking about them helps you write better code in the first place |
| 01:53.43 | Zifnab06 | I had a question for everyone here. What mods are this screenshot using: |
| 01:53.44 | Zifnab06 | http://home.fuse.net/jedimaster14/extras/WoWScrnShot_090707_195024.jpg |
| 01:53.54 | ccox | Esamynn - I mean the compiler never ran and I had no syntax checks, I was refactoring something BIG |
| 01:54.10 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 01:54.19 | selckin | Zifnab06: which ones? |
| 01:54.31 | Zifnab06 | selckin, can i pm you? |
| 01:54.34 | ccox | Esamynn - of course, there were errors when I finally compiled, and a few more once I ran |
| 01:54.36 | selckin | Zifnab06: elkbuffbars, ag_unitframe, tons of fubar |
| 01:54.41 | Zifnab06 | kk |
| 01:54.49 | ccox | Esamynn - but I think I had 1 error per 50k lines of changes |
| 01:54.51 | selckin | Zifnab06: sure |
| 01:54.54 | Zifnab06 | would the bottom bar with the map/chat/actionbars be ag_unitframe? |
| 01:55.06 | Xuerian | Is that a new version of chatr? |
| 01:55.07 | Esamynn | nisnamed variables, the bane of a developer's existance |
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| 01:55.39 | selckin | Zifnab06: buttom bar with the icons is fubar |
| 01:55.46 | Xuerian | Zifnab06: Trinketmenu too |
| 01:55.57 | Xuerian | And autobar? |
| 01:56.03 | Xuerian | Grid |
| 01:56.23 | Lunessa | So many code errors come down to typos and misnames for variables |
| 01:57.23 | ccox | Lunessa - yes, but those are the easy ones to find |
| 01:57.34 | ccox | Lunessa - the logic errors and math errors are the hard ones |
| 01:57.46 | Lunessa | Yes. They usually are. |
| 01:57.46 | ccox | Lunessa - and the memory smashing ones are a pain in the @#$%@#$%!!@#$!@#@$ |
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| 01:58.12 | ccox | Then there's the "OS API bug" category |
| 01:58.27 | ccox | and the "Hardware defect" catagory |
| 01:58.32 | Lunessa | Heh, I once spent 3 days hunting a bug because I mis-referenced a pointer and couldn't see it. |
| 01:58.40 | ccox | and my personal favorite: the "CPU defect" category |
| 01:58.51 | kd3 | heisenbugs. |
| 01:58.57 | ccox | sorry, that's "Chip Erratta" for Intel fans |
| 01:59.30 | Esamynn | ROFL |
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| 02:00.08 | Lunessa | "Why do all my floats come out wrong?" :P |
| 02:00.10 | kd3 | 6:50... "our web guys still don't know what's wrong, so we've taken the store down again" |
| 02:00.27 | Esamynn | fun fun |
| 02:00.44 | ccox | some 12 year old out there is laughing his head off at his DDOS attack on Bliz... |
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| 02:01.02 | ccox | Lunessa - oh, yeah, FP math "misunderstandings" are great |
| 02:01.03 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 02:01.27 | Esamynn | ewww, those would be ugly |
| 02:01.44 | Lunessa | heh, and people wonder why I check their math with a calculator all the time. |
| 02:01.59 | Sixen | Honestly |
| 02:02.16 | Esamynn | you can trust the computer's math, really... |
| 02:02.34 | Lunessa | A computer's sure. Not a persons. |
| 02:02.59 | ccox | one of my horror stories: the printer driver (that runs in your address space) changed the FPU state and failed to reset it before returning to the application |
| 02:03.11 | ccox | so only FP math done AFTER that point would get bad results |
| 02:03.26 | Mooninaut | ouch |
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| 02:03.56 | Esamynn | O_O |
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| 02:07.06 | batrick | what's the easiest locale portable way to detect certain buffs? |
| 02:07.40 | Aiiane | spellid of the aura? not sure if you can get that or not |
| 02:08.09 | Esamynn | you can't |
| 02:08.24 | Esamynn | except from the combat lot |
| 02:08.42 | Aiiane | AceLocale your code I guess :| |
| 02:11.56 | |Jelly| | (Been having too much fun on my DK so I didn't notice) Circle of Healing: Cooldown reinstated to 6 seconds. /emo |
| 02:12.04 | ccox | *Facepalm* riding crops are now an enchant for your mount |
| 02:12.36 | Sixen | lol |
| 02:12.48 | Sixen | working as intended |
| 02:12.48 | Esamynn | ahh yes, I'd forgotten about that change |
| 02:13.19 | |Jelly| | But it's not on the beta. (Just looked) |
| 02:13.34 | Diao | when was the cooldown reinstated? |
| 02:13.37 | |Jelly| | So when can we expect the CD on Chain Heal? Cause seriously ... |
| 02:13.44 | Esamynn | heheh |
| 02:13.46 | |Jelly| | http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Priest#tab=Changes |
| 02:13.46 | ccox | outfitter is working fine for me, with exception of my riding crop |
| 02:14.04 | Esamynn | yah, most stuff is working |
| 02:14.18 | Esamynn | the only real gotcha are the button font changes |
| 02:14.29 | Diao | i tihnk that info is wrong |Jelly| |
| 02:14.32 | Esamynn | is* |
| 02:14.40 | Diao | It's not on mmo-champion or worldofraids |
| 02:14.46 | ccox | esamynn - and bliz lua changes, and GetCraft* changes, and ... |
| 02:15.08 | Esamynn | hooks are BAD! mmm, k? :P |
| 02:15.36 | Esamynn | a lot of stuff will come over, needing only minor, or no changes at all |
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| 02:15.55 | ccox | Esamynn - some hooks changed arguments, some need securehook now, some APIs are gone, some old Lua code that people referenced is gone, etc. |
| 02:16.00 | Esamynn | unlike 1.12 to 2.0 |
| 02:16.09 | ccox | So far everything I've tried has needed at least one or two changes |
| 02:16.24 | Esamynn | ccox: oh yah, totally, 3.0 has totally be used as an excuse to "break" things |
| 02:16.48 | Esamynn | s/be/been/ |
| 02:17.00 | Esamynn | but that was to be expected |
| 02:17.01 | batrick | Is the change to riding enchants going to eventually work for mounts you've "learned" or still only work for mounts that you haven't learned yet? |
| 02:17.12 | Esamynn | no clue |
| 02:17.13 | batrick | Or perhaps I just dont' know how to do that |
| 02:17.34 | Esamynn | ok, when did the Guild Roster list functions change to internalize the "offline" flag |
| 02:17.36 | Esamynn | ? |
| 02:17.37 | batrick | It's kinda lame because that would mean we need to stockpile all the riding crops for all the mounts we plan to learn |
| 02:19.30 | Esamynn | oh wait, nm |
| 02:20.14 | Esamynn | wowprogramming.com is just wrong is all |
| 02:20.36 | Saiket | Is it even possible to use a mount item without learning it any more? |
| 02:21.09 | ccox | batrick - yeah, but means I can sell you more riding crops! |
| 02:21.31 | ccox | saiket - not if it isn't a quest mount |
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| 02:25.38 | Pelucheux | I just got this cosmos thing, and I was wondering since everything has squared in names now...what do the colors mean? |
| 02:25.40 | batrick | I have like 20+ mounts to learn in Wrath, means a lot of gold in riding crops : / |
| 02:26.46 | batrick | I wonder if there will be a new mount enchant in wrath... only makes it seem pointless to buy them now |
| 02:26.48 | AnduinLothar | Pelucheux: colors where? |
| 02:27.21 | Pelucheux | The names of everything, they have boxes around them now and they are colorful? |
| 02:27.40 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: you mean mount speed enchant? they really just either need to keep it a trinket, or make it so one "enchant" applies to every learned mount. |
| 02:27.44 | Pelucheux | I figure green is friendly and yellow is neutral, but whats blue mean? |
| 02:27.55 | AnduinLothar | oh the tooltips |
| 02:28.12 | AnduinLothar | should say in the options under Khaos |
| 02:28.33 | batrick | NightHawkTheSane: there are a lot of things they "should" do but probably wont :P |
| 02:28.53 | batrick | I like the idea of a static enchant to buff all your mounts tho |
| 02:29.42 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: sadly so |
| 02:29.58 | ccox | please make your opinion known in the forums and bug reports |
| 02:30.12 | Pelucheux | Hmmm yeah I just got this for the coords cause its the most used I think...so all the other stuff that is with it is pretty much over my head |
| 02:30.29 | Pelucheux | o.O |
| 02:30.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd honestly be a little surprised if they kept the crop & etc as a 'single mount enchant', though. |
| 02:30.53 | AnduinLothar | you can disable stuff in the Khaos optiosn frame from the escape menu |
| 02:30.54 | ccox | if nobody complains, they will |
| 02:31.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: I have, actually. |
| 02:31.04 | Sixen | (7:27:51 PM) Pelucheux: I figure green is friendly and yellow is neutral, but whats blue mean? |
| 02:31.17 | Sixen | Blue means Blizzard and Green sure isn't friendly *cough*COGWHEEL*cough* |
| 02:31.23 | Sixen | I kid, I kid! |
| 02:31.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: but, equally, just because someone suggests/complains, doesn't mean it'll get changed, either. :P |
| 02:31.59 | ccox | true, that |
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| 02:39.54 | Lunessa | Friendly? Friendly? He's a GNOME. They build machines that explode and have WARLOCKS. And you expect him to be friendly? The nerve of some people. |
| 02:41.05 | Sixen | Well *excuse* me, you Night Elf. |
| 02:41.23 | Sixen | Stubborn as always. That's why i'm an Undead. I'm dead. |
| 02:41.33 | Sixen | Er rather, un-dead. Or maybe re-dead... Or something. |
| 02:44.00 | kd3 | still maintenance |
| 02:45.56 | Esamynn | ~poke Sixen |
| 02:45.57 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Sixen, pokes Sixen repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 02:46.05 | Sixen | Hai |
| 02:46.15 | Sixen | (Lunessa, that was a joke, you know I <3) |
| 02:46.38 | Lunessa | Sorry... work was demanding attention. |
| 02:47.01 | sacarasc | you should ignore it then, it will soon learn that demands are childish |
| 02:47.07 | Sixen | Lawl |
| 02:47.32 | Lunessa | Sadly, if I ignore it for too long, I find myself living in my car and without internet. |
| 02:47.42 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: what are you building? |
| 02:47.47 | Sixen | A cake. |
| 02:47.57 | Sixen | Building a cake with wine. |
| 02:48.00 | Sixen | How cool is that? |
| 02:48.22 | kd3 | wine |
| 02:48.28 | kd3 | koji still hasn't moved from 1.0 |
| 02:48.33 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, like a specific release or..? |
| 02:48.33 | kd3 | wanna see what's going on in 1.1.2 |
| 02:48.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 02:48.42 | Sixen | well at least they made a cool scv for us to look at while we bang our desks, right? |
| 02:49.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Truth be told I don't even know what version I'm on, I just build it from git |
| 02:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | "Many MSXML improvements." |
| 02:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like it! |
| 02:55.30 | Adys | nevcairiel: you around? |
| 02:56.14 | Adys | kd3: they fixed the annoying mshtml bug too afaik, a few commits ago |
| 02:56.34 | kd3 | so we can actually install wrath without having to resort to ies4linux? |
| 02:56.37 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That? |
| 02:56.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh hey that's a lot of mshtml commits |
| 02:56.49 | Adys | yep |
| 02:56.51 | kd3 | yay |
| 02:57.03 | Adys | but its not in 1.1.2 |
| 02:57.06 | Adys | will be in 1.1.3 |
| 02:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I cound seven recent mshtml bugfixes |
| 02:57.39 | ScytheBlade1 | er, make that 14 |
| 02:57.41 | Adys | kd3: pixel said it was also a bug with warcraft 2, warcraft 3 and diablo 2 iirc :P |
| 02:57.54 | kd3 | wow |
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| 03:09.05 | fridgid | i need to downsample some mp3s i have to a lower cbr (for my phone) anybody know of a good batch converter? |
| 03:20.29 | DARKGuy | fridgid, dunno if it does what you want, but Super is a good converter for any file format to any quality and all that. I use it to convert youtube videos for my cellphone, dunno, it might help ya. |
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| 03:23.02 | fridgid | aight thanks |
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| 03:24.50 | Cairenn | okay, so, I actually didn't follow the threads about the keys for a while ... what's this I'm reading about some people being allowed to buy tickets over the phone? |
| 03:25.01 | Cairenn | s/keys/tickets/ |
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| 03:27.24 | Dewin | I'm debating on writing an addon. I've done some programming before, but my addon experience consists of a few customizations to Flexbar (from waaay back when) |
| 03:27.35 | kd3 | not afaik. people who posted on the forums were told that they couldn't buy tickets because their systems weren't working either |
| 03:30.11 | Adys | Anyone knows how I turn my castbar back on in aguf? the default one |
| 03:31.15 | Iriel | Dewin: Give it a try, worst case you dont find it fun but learned a couple of things in the process |
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| 03:32.24 | Dewin | Yeah. I never finished the one I was trying to write a loong time ago. It did, however, have a catchy name and about 100 lines of Lua |
| 03:33.44 | Dewin | What I want to write now is an addon that partially syncs friendlist across toons (some per-character friends and some global friends), in addition to making a note of when you friended them. (If you can't remember why someone's friendlisted, the fact that you friended them on your (then) lv17 Shaman in Deadmines is a pretty good clue). In addition... |
| 03:34.22 | Dewin | allow you to set friend notes at the same time you friend someone, and a way to alias alts so you can /t Main and it'll go to the correct alt (using chat channels, guild or friendlist to see which one is online at the time) |
| 03:36.00 | Neuro_Medivh | But what if you have no friends? Won't it make you feel their absence even that much more? |
| 03:36.15 | Dewin | one less person to file bugreports then ;) |
| 03:38.18 | Larana | sylvanaar: Hmm, copying the link from old Prat exited the game... |
| 03:40.41 | Tekkub | My task is done! |
| 03:43.18 | Anaral | Prat 3 isn't showing up on my list of addons. |
| 03:44.06 | sylvanaar | which one? |
| 03:44.22 | sylvanaar | http://dev.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Prat/WotLK-3.0 |
| 03:44.31 | sylvanaar | orhttp://dev.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Prat/3.0 |
| 03:44.47 | Anaral | svn, I don't have a dev username/pass |
| 03:45.12 | sylvanaar | ok, which one though |
| 03:46.19 | sylvanaar | on wotlk you need standalone ace3 + libsink-2.0 with the LoadOnDemand removed from its toc |
| 03:46.22 | Anaral | WotLK-3.0 |
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| 03:48.06 | sylvanaar | um, oh you also need LibBabbleClass-3.0, and what else......LibSharedMedia-3.0 |
| 03:49.11 | Anaral | But 3.0 is the one you want help testing, correct? |
| 03:49.25 | sylvanaar | yess |
| 03:50.31 | sylvanaar | i guess i should embed that stuff... |
| 03:52.39 | Anaral | Okay, checking out Prat/3.0 still doesn't give me Prat in the addon list. |
| 03:55.49 | sylvanaar | wierd |
| 03:57.04 | Anaral | Very |
| 03:57.19 | sylvanaar | is there a toc? |
| 03:57.49 | sylvanaar | You need to name the folder Prat-3.0 |
| 03:58.01 | sylvanaar | thats why it doesnt show up probably |
| 03:58.49 | NightHawkTheSane | speaking of which, Anyone on in <Secure Templars> that can toss me an invite? char: 'Aloine' |
| 03:59.33 | Anaral | Silly dashes. |
| 04:02.41 | Anaral | There we go |
| 04:05.28 | kd3 | store's back up |
| 04:06.42 | NightHawkTheSane | give it five minutes. ;) |
| 04:07.57 | Cairenn | not for me |
| 04:08.07 | Seerah | hubby just got his ticket :D |
| 04:10.27 | Cairenn | ffs |
| 04:23.38 | Duman | it's back? |
| 04:23.48 | Duman | The site is down for maintenance. |
| 04:23.49 | Duman | lies |
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| 04:24.24 | Duman | sigh |
| 04:24.52 | Duman | man, last update was 7:40pm (almost 2hrs ago) |
| 04:25.01 | Duman | wtb ticket!@!@ |
| 04:25.05 | Duman | well, ticketS |
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| 04:32.15 | Aiiane | hm... any opinions on what the best cooldown-pulse type addon is atm? |
| 04:32.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Aiiane: .. you mean like omnicc? |
| 04:33.34 | Aiiane | unless omnicc has greatly increased its functionality, no |
| 04:33.56 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:35.28 | Duman | or do you mean like "XXX ability is ready" alerts? |
| 04:35.37 | Duman | you can do that in like MSBT |
| 04:35.56 | Duman | man, blizzard hates me :( |
| 04:36.25 | Aiiane | Duman: That type of alert, but icon-based instead of text based |
| 04:36.35 | Aiiane | I currently have text alerts in msbt, but they're too much clutter |
| 04:36.39 | Duman | you can make it pop up just an icon |
| 04:37.06 | Duman | (set the text string empty or like "." or something) |
| 04:37.38 | Aiiane | well, i also want it to pulse rather than scroll :P |
| 04:37.46 | Duman | so demanding! |
| 04:37.47 | Duman | ;-) |
| 04:38.04 | Sixen | Duman, get a ticket yet? |
| 04:38.08 | Duman | oh like the old jim's cooldown pulse or whatever it was? |
| 04:38.12 | Duman | sixen: no :( |
| 04:38.15 | Sixen | :( |
| 04:38.17 | Duman | you? |
| 04:38.25 | Sixen | Nup. It died before I finished. |
| 04:38.25 | Sixen | :/ |
| 04:38.49 | Sixen | This is getting ridiculous. |
| 04:40.32 | Aiiane | Duman: yes |
| 04:44.02 | Sixen | Update: 9:40 PM PDT - We are continuing our work on bringing the website back up, however, we have decided that we do not want to make everyone wait until the early hours of the morning, hoping at a chance to purchase tickets. Thus, we will not bring up the website until after the beginning of business day tomorrow, Tuesday, August 12. We want to assure everyone that a great majority of tickets are still available for purchase. |
| 04:44.25 | Cairenn | >< |
| 04:44.31 | Sixen | -_- |
| 04:44.45 | Sixen | See, I have a problem. *I* have a ticket from a friend. But my ride doesn't have a ticket yet. |
| 04:44.46 | Sixen | lawl |
| 04:44.46 | kd3 | so uh... who's up for serving some heads on platters? |
| 04:44.50 | Sixen | <~ |
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| 04:45.36 | kd3 | meh. I still haven't committed and bought one yet |
| 04:45.46 | Duman | do it |
| 04:45.46 | Sixen | We're all wearing this: http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh196/pclanguy/?action=view¤t=Blizzcon2008TicketShirt.png |
| 04:45.47 | Duman | DO IT |
| 04:45.48 | Sixen | to blizzcon |
| 04:45.56 | Duman | hahah! |
| 04:46.06 | kd3 | oh, I'm going to blizzcon, but there's a few strings I want to try pulling first. >.> |
| 04:46.10 | Duman | it's either that, or the 'oops' murloc |
| 04:46.11 | Ackis | haha last comment in that thread: who the F*** puts a murloc in charge of all this anyways? |
| 04:46.17 | Duman | kd3: ahh :) |
| 04:46.23 | Sixen | ;) |
| 04:46.31 | Sixen | GL Kd3 |
| 04:46.37 | Sixen | All of the freebies are probably gone by now, :P |
| 04:46.45 | Sixen | (Aside from contents) |
| 04:47.03 | Sixen | We may have to have a QA meeting there. |
| 04:47.14 | Sixen | We'll have to look for a 2ft midget named Hortus to accompany us as well. |
| 04:47.53 | MentalPower | is there maint tomorrow too? |
| 04:47.57 | MentalPower | or just restarts? |
| 04:47.57 | kd3 | extended |
| 04:48.02 | MentalPower | great... |
| 04:48.05 | MentalPower | nice timing |
| 04:48.28 | MentalPower | Sixen: I *really* don't think Hortus is a midget :) |
| 04:48.42 | Sixen | ?! |
| 04:48.50 | Sixen | I've been living my forum-life a lie? |
| 04:48.57 | MentalPower | :P |
| 04:49.05 | Duman | haha |
| 04:49.08 | Sixen | afk bashing my head against a wall. |
| 04:49.11 | Duman | Hortus better be at blizzcon |
| 04:49.16 | Sixen | Honestly! |
| 04:50.04 | MentalPower|ZZzz | would you recognize him if he was? |
| 04:50.04 | Duman | nope |
| 04:50.05 | Sixen | I would. He'll have his little hat thing waving around his head. |
| 04:50.05 | kd3 | lol |
| 04:50.05 | Duman | haha |
| 04:50.05 | Sixen | =] |
| 04:50.05 | MentalPower|ZZzz | rofl |
| 04:50.21 | Sixen | http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb138/SAXONE59/designalldll-6.jpg -- nice |
| 04:50.39 | Duman | heh |
| 04:50.43 | Duman | there are a bunch of those |
| 04:50.57 | Duman | cairenn posted one earlier |
| 04:50.58 | Duman | hmm |
| 04:51.01 | Duman | aha |
| 04:51.01 | Duman | http://www.cafepress.com/Helias |
| 04:51.28 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:51.30 | kd3 | rofl at the threadcap |
| 04:51.32 | Sixen | That's just stupid. You know somethings made of fail when we make T-Shirts of failure. |
| 04:51.35 | Sixen | Yeah, heh. |
| 04:51.35 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765782846&sid=1&pageNo=51 |
| 04:51.43 | Sixen | Oh big lulz. |
| 04:51.53 | Duman | LOL!!!!!!! |
| 04:51.59 | Duman | Epic end ofthread |
| 04:52.03 | Duman | that is so much win |
| 04:52.08 | Sixen | Definitely |
| 04:55.01 | Duman | ok, immortalized |
| 04:55.02 | Duman | http://i38.tinypic.com/2ldwy6u.jpg |
| 04:55.35 | Sixen | lol |
| 04:56.54 | Duman | I am still laughing at that post #1000 |
| 04:57.18 | Sixen | lol |
| 04:57.30 | Sixen | Dang. All this talk about Hortus makes me depressed. I miss that little fella. |
| 04:58.34 | kd3 | anyway, since we don't have to wait up for tickets. I'm going to catch up on sleep |
| 04:58.44 | Sixen | hehe, for sure., |
| 04:59.03 | Sixen | And I was serious about a QA meeting. Even though it'd really only be 3 people, :(. |
| 04:59.20 | Duman | hehe |
| 04:59.29 | Duman | night kd3 |
| 04:59.36 | Sixen | Mmm, night. |
| 05:02.56 | Duman | sixen, you been playing any beta? |
| 05:03.08 | Sixen | Not lately, :(. |
| 05:03.24 | Sixen | Lately it's been "OMG BLAZZKAWN" and "forum post forum post" |
| 05:03.30 | Sixen | oh and "/e-mailz0rz" |
| 05:03.34 | Duman | hahaha |
| 05:04.14 | Sixen | Ugh. The damn support website is down too, :(. |
| 05:04.18 | Sixen | I can't use support links, lol. |
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| 05:21.58 | Seerah | site for tickets is still under maintenance, and they will not be bringing it up again until tomorrow morning/business hours (so people can get some sleep) |
| 05:22.09 | Seerah | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765782561&sid=1&pageNo=279#5570 |
| 05:22.23 | Sixen | Mmmmm |
| 05:22.30 | Sixen | DAT WUZ SO 40 MINUTES AGO |
| 05:22.59 | Seerah | I JUST SAW IT :P :) |
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| 05:23.55 | Sixen | <3 |
| 05:25.07 | Seerah | night all :) Get some sleep and get your tickets in the morning :) |
| 05:25.12 | Sixen | Night seerah. |
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| 05:25.26 | selckin | i recon they need more tickets |
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| 05:39.58 | Aiiane | ended up going with Ghost: Pulse 2, it seems to fit what I want :) |
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| 05:55.37 | WobWork | what sort of reboot have we in the US today? |
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| 06:00.07 | NightHawkTheSane | moooo |
| 06:02.27 | WobWork | Xuerian! There are ladies in the channel! |
| 06:02.41 | Xuerian | WobWork: So? why would they care if I like to take care of my firearms? |
| 06:02.50 | WobWork | I heard you're quick on the trigger |
| 06:03.06 | WobWork | wouldn't want anyone hurt in the splash damage |
| 06:03.10 | Xuerian | I pick my targets quickly, but make sure I fill the bullseye with lead |
| 06:03.50 | WobWork | so any idea what sort of reboot we're getting tonight? |
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| 06:07.33 | NightHawkTheSane | the kind where ethings go down, and then come up? |
| 06:08.26 | Xuerian | Could always be the kind where they go down, and then the update is full of so much fail that they just don't come up again |
| 06:10.13 | Fisker- | damnit |
| 06:10.22 | Fisker- | blizzard is making it harder for me to remove tailoring ;_; |
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| 06:11.09 | zenzio | stitched yourself to something? |
| 06:11.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: no, thats just you. |
| 06:12.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 06:12.07 | Fisker- | they are also making cloak enchants |
| 06:12.10 | Fisker- | for tailoring |
| 06:12.16 | Fisker- | as well as a magic carpet flying mount |
| 06:12.29 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: ... owchh |
| 06:12.44 | Codayus | Yeah...lovely, isn't it? |
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| 06:18.56 | Tekkub | making the engy slowfall cloak into a chant too |
| 06:19.54 | zenzio | so I'm seeing a commercial for an animated Star Wars: Clone Wars movie... and at some point they're using the James Bond tune? o_O |
| 06:20.17 | Tekkub | why can't they just let star wars die? |
| 06:21.10 | zenzio | agreed |
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| 06:25.18 | NightHawkTheSane | because george lucas doesn't have enough money, OR your soul. |
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| 06:26.56 | Tekkub | he'll never get my soul, cause bears can't be jedi |
| 06:27.08 | Tekkub | that would be too OP |
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| 06:36.33 | ccox | Clone Wars sounds like 90 minutes of fail |
| 06:36.59 | ccox | The early ads/trailers looked even worse |
| 06:38.20 | Kirov | I know people who loved the animated show, but the few trailers I've seen have made me have no interest in the movie. |
| 06:38.58 | ccox | the original animation was interesting |
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| 07:27.57 | Esamynn | I don't understand why Lucas insists on continuing to flog the dead horse that is Star Wars |
| 07:28.24 | Esamynn | well, not dead, but not from lack of trying |
| 07:29.01 | Tekkub | because every time he does, it shits out money |
| 07:29.14 | Esamynn | heh |
| 07:30.32 | zenzio | I like the first three movies (episodes 4-6), everything else just never appealed to me. I don't care how long I get to stare at Natalie Portman, it just doesn't make up for the rest of the movies' failure |
| 07:30.47 | Esamynn | no, it doesn't |
| 07:31.12 | Xuerian | zenzio: Amen... Too much emo, not enough flashy-boom. |
| 07:31.30 | Esamynn | too much GOD AWFUL WRITING |
| 07:31.42 | Tekkub | The first three, yea sure, I'll give you that... though the way they replay them on cable has made them kinda... yea I never want to see em again |
| 07:31.56 | Xuerian | Haha, true |
| 07:32.06 | Esamynn | he needed to stop messing with the first 3 after he did that first round of "touch ups" |
| 07:32.11 | Tekkub | 1 I never saw, 2 I got dragged to the nerd-midnight showing... |
| 07:32.14 | Esamynn | the latest round just get me mad |
| 07:32.16 | Tekkub | 3 I watched pirated |
| 07:32.42 | Kirov_ | Have you guys seen the re-edited version of episode 3? |
| 07:32.51 | Esamynn | yes |
| 07:32.55 | Esamynn | don't remind me |
| 07:32.59 | Esamynn | oh |
| 07:33.03 | Esamynn | episode 3, nm |
| 07:33.07 | Esamynn | I was thinking of 6 |
| 07:33.13 | Kirov_ | Esamynn - not the lucas one, the fan re-edit |
| 07:33.19 | Esamynn | lol |
| 07:33.20 | Tekkub | 3 #2 not 3 #1 |
| 07:33.22 | Esamynn | no |
| 07:33.46 | Kirov_ | I've only watched part of, but they took one of the most awful scenes in that movie and made it good. |
| 07:33.54 | Kirov_ | Mainly by removing most of the dialog. |
| 07:34.07 | Esamynn | hahaha |
| 07:34.11 | Esamynn | which one? |
| 07:35.06 | Kirov_ | The scene where Anakin and Padme are at her sumer house type place and he tells the story about sand... then they kiss |
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| 07:35.23 | Kirov_ | The re-edit removes his entire story and just has them kiss and ends it. |
| 07:35.31 | Kirov_ | And it's a good scene! |
| 07:35.35 | Kirov_ | heh |
| 07:36.10 | Esamynn | I told you, it's the writing |
| 07:36.19 | Xuerian | Just make it a silent movie. |
| 07:36.22 | Esamynn | Lucas couldn't write a decent love scene to save his life |
| 07:36.23 | Kirov_ | Also, I watched the original IMAX version of the first movie. |
| 07:36.28 | Xuerian | That way the fanboys can add their own dialog |
| 07:36.32 | Xuerian | And everyone else will be spared |
| 07:36.32 | Kirov_ | Fantastic (Episode 1) |
| 07:36.33 | krka | i for one liked ep 2 and ep 3 |
| 07:36.49 | Kirov_ | Also the IMAX version of Episode 2 is decent |
| 07:37.01 | Kirov_ | They CUT OUT JAR JAR because of film length issues with IMAX. |
| 07:37.14 | Kirov_ | Great great movie that way. |
| 07:37.36 | Kirov_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_Edit |
| 07:37.39 | Xuerian | The only place he was good in the movie, was in the dive through the core, which. well, we'll ignore that |
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| 07:41.17 | Esamynn | heh |
| 07:42.17 | Esamynn | "removing or re-editing most Battle Droid dialogue" |
| 07:42.20 | Esamynn | yah |
| 07:42.22 | Esamynn | just, yah |
| 07:42.59 | Esamynn | "removing dialogue that specifies that Midichlorians are a biological basis for Force sensitivity" oh god yes |
| 07:43.05 | Esamynn | that was just horrible |
| 07:43.13 | ccox | agreed |
| 07:43.39 | Kirov_ | Ah, it's an episode 2 scene, not episode 3 scene |
| 07:43.40 | Kirov_ | http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/attackofthephantom/ |
| 07:43.42 | ccox | (and guessing he couldn't pronounce midochondria) |
| 07:43.44 | Kirov_ | Check out that video |
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| 07:59.29 | Xuerian | Kirov_: I blocked the sand bit out in my memory of ep2.... |
| 07:59.32 | Xuerian | That was horrible -_- |
| 08:00.40 | Kirov_ | Xuerian - did you want it all the way through? |
| 08:00.49 | Kirov_ | ie: both versions? |
| 08:01.05 | Xuerian | I meant the sand bit from the unedited version was horrible, but yes I watched it all the way through |
| 08:01.10 | Xuerian | Much better without it |
| 08:01.20 | Kirov_ | Yeah, it's actually a decent scene. |
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| 08:03.33 | Punkie | Greetings |
| 08:05.01 | Rabbitbunny | teh morn, she is earl |
| 08:05.39 | Punkie | quite |
| 08:07.21 | Corrodias | last night, i saw batman begins. tonight, i saw sweeney todd. |
| 08:07.40 | Punkie | what about the night before? |
| 08:07.51 | Corrodias | i saw your mom |
| 08:08.01 | Punkie | got any plans with her tomorrow? |
| 08:08.07 | Corrodias | ALL NIGHT LONG *woop* |
| 08:08.27 | Corrodias | yes, we're having a lovely tour upon the lake |
| 08:08.56 | Punkie | well just call me and let me know if you're late bringing her home |
| 08:09.13 | Fisker- | Punkie my friend |
| 08:09.23 | Punkie | greetings |
| 08:09.24 | Corrodias | i shall be a perfect gentleman and have her in before curfew. ;) |
| 08:09.28 | Corrodias | ALL NIGHT LONG *woop* |
| 08:09.39 | Punkie | ~lart Corrodias |
| 08:09.39 | purl | executes killall -TERM Corrodias |
| 08:10.06 | Punkie | man, uptimeparty.com = license to print money (SFW) |
| 08:13.04 | Corrodias | fabulous movies, both |
| 08:14.19 | Corrodias | nearly enough to make me want to open my own meat pie shop |
| 08:16.47 | Punkie | I think I'll pass on that one :P |
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| 08:39.58 | Xuerian | Punkie: It's a useful feature, though hardly difficult to do yourself |
| 08:40.32 | Xuerian | Not every company checks their own site from the net every 15 minutes; and it's better to catch a access issue as fast as possible |
| 08:40.38 | Punkie | Oh I know |
| 08:40.58 | Punkie | what I mean is that it's ridiculously easy with a simple bash script |
| 08:41.21 | Punkie | and yet they seem to be making money out of it if you believe how many servers they are checking ;) |
| 08:41.37 | nevcairiel | a bash script doesnt tell you if your network connection failed |
| 08:42.20 | nevcairiel | you need a second server on a independant network connection, best a complete different location, to get a real accurate uptime reading ;) |
| 08:42.31 | Punkie | that's not what I'm talking about :) |
| 08:45.29 | Punkie | I'm saying that for a relatively low cost if they rent a server (lets just say $100/month) they are pulling in $1597 (rounding up 1cent per 10 servers) :P |
| 08:45.37 | Punkie | if you believe their stats :) |
| 08:45.53 | Punkie | obviously not including some google advertising and whatnot |
| 08:46.15 | nevcairiel | You just have to have an idea, and you win in the internets :p |
| 08:51.50 | Rabbitbunny | You know what doesn't mix? |
| 08:52.00 | Rabbitbunny | mint salt-water taffy and cigarettes. |
| 08:52.51 | Kirov_ | sticky menthols? |
| 08:53.22 | Rabbitbunny | marlboros this time, and it's bad. |
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| 08:59.02 | sioraiocht | Rabbitbunny: that is FOUL |
| 09:00.39 | Rabbitbunny | entirely. |
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| 10:08.56 | Rabbitbunny | bah, forgot the servers were going down today. now my code is only dry :( |
| 10:09.17 | nevcairiel | better then wet code! |
| 10:09.25 | Rabbitbunny | lol |
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| 12:23.06 | Zeksie | Anaral: yeh, there's an X-Perl for wrath. 3.0.0c, can get it from wowi, curse, etc. |
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| 12:28.27 | Bouvi | Good Morning Sunshine People |
| 12:30.31 | Bouvi | *crickets chirp* |
| 12:36.53 | Punkie | greetings |
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| 13:09.20 | Bouvi | So very very quiet |
| 13:09.48 | Bouvi | Is someone hunting wabbits? |
| 13:09.59 | zenzio | no, we're hitting on the peppies |
| 13:10.03 | zenzio | in private, of course |
| 13:10.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops. That was in public, zenzio. |
| 13:11.09 | Lopeppeppy | That's okay, I forgives you. |
| 13:11.10 | zenzio | well who are we kidding, it's not exactly a secret that I'm sucking up to you |
| 13:11.16 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. *grin* |
| 13:21.58 | Rabbitbunny | headmonkey: Is that why I've been hearing footsteps? |
| 13:22.09 | Rabbitbunny | err s/headmonkey:// |
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| 13:48.10 | MentalPower | hi all |
| 13:48.18 | MentalPower | kinda quiet here today |
| 13:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, MP. |
| 13:49.09 | Lopeppeppy | We're hunting wabbits. Rabbitbunny, to be precise. |
| 13:49.18 | MentalPower | lol |
| 13:49.53 | MentalPower | I'm having fun with pointless restrictions and configuration on these stupid college library comps |
| 13:50.01 | MentalPower | they've blocked facebook |
| 13:50.14 | MentalPower | and they're using ClearType on a CTR monitor :/ |
| 13:51.57 | DARKGuy | hey I use cleartype on my CRT monitor |
| 13:52.04 | DARKGuy | and facebook is worth blocking : |
| 13:52.04 | DARKGuy | :D |
| 13:52.15 | DARKGuy | Don't touch MSN though >:O |
| 13:52.15 | Lopeppeppy | I adore colleges who try to block things. It's so adorable. |
| 13:52.27 | DARKGuy | haha |
| 13:52.29 | DARKGuy | it is :D |
| 13:52.36 | foxlit | I second that, peppy! |
| 13:52.39 | DARKGuy | <.< I love getting past blocked stuff -anywhere- |
| 13:52.44 | MentalPower | Lopeppeppy: does yours? |
| 13:52.44 | DARKGuy | >:3 |
| 13:52.58 | MentalPower | ~lart DARKGuy |
| 13:52.58 | purl | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, DARKGuy, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 13:53.16 | DARKGuy | o.o |
| 13:54.47 | sacarasc | hand job? |
| 13:55.08 | Lopeppeppy | MP, we do not. We recognize the futility of trying to prevent adults from doing whatever they really want to do, because then they will just hack us and create security holes. |
| 13:56.01 | Lopeppeppy | AFK for sheeples. |
| 13:56.49 | DARKGuy | Haha. |
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| 13:56.55 | Maldivia | MentalPower: you can always use a proxy :) |
| 13:56.57 | DARKGuy | I made a custom program to block any program :) |
| 13:57.27 | Maldivia | DARKGuy: in other words: a Software Firewall |
| 13:57.38 | DARKGuy | Maldivia, yeah, but it works better than all others around |
| 13:57.44 | MentalPower | Maldivia: not worth it ATM, I plan to remote to my house from now on |
| 13:57.56 | Maldivia | DARKGuy: kill? |
| 13:58.03 | DARKGuy | Maldivia, yup, and it's only 200Kb ^^ |
| 13:58.12 | MentalPower | anyways, off to school, later all |
| 13:58.16 | DARKGuy | bye MentalPower|AFK |
| 13:58.21 | DARKGuy | ah well. |
| 13:58.25 | DARKGuy | It works like a virus :D |
| 13:58.29 | DARKGuy | you kill it, it comes back :D |
| 13:58.39 | Maldivia | anyone else been working on the trade links? |
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| 14:01.05 | foxlit | trade:spellid:skill:maxskill:?:encodedrecipestring |
| 14:01.16 | matt1s | Is there any bar mods that modifies the headers so that reassigning keys during combat is possible? |
| 14:01.23 | foxlit | But you could've seen that with a /dump :) |
| 14:02.40 | foxlit | actually |
| 14:02.43 | foxlit | ? = playerGUID |
| 14:02.50 | foxlit | the non-zero part of it |
| 14:03.38 | foxlit | Depends on what you mean by reassigning, really |
| 14:04.39 | cbreak | maybe you can do something with those awfully overcomplicated secure state headers, but it won't be very flexible |
| 14:05.10 | foxlit | I'll one-up to "it won't work" |
| 14:05.26 | foxlit | If we're talking about arbitrary binding assignment during combat |
| 14:05.41 | foxlit | The only way to make that work is through bindings.xml and the default UI for those |
| 14:06.03 | matt1s | Yeah, I was talking with the guy behind flexbar and he was looking into it half a year ago. I had a setup with DAB (Discord Action Bars) which I want to use again where I was able to change key bindings during fighting |
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| 14:07.12 | foxlit | Why would you want to be able to change key bindings during fighting? |
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| 14:08.02 | matt1s | Because with the setup I was able to reach 75 slots with only 9 buttons |
| 14:08.26 | cbreak | you can use menu style bindings for that I think |
| 14:08.28 | foxlit | So we aren't talking about arbitrary reassignment |
| 14:08.44 | matt1s | What do you mean by arbitrary reassignment? |
| 14:09.10 | cbreak | in the middle of the fight you think, oh, wouldn't it be nice if my @ key would cast Frostbolt? :) |
| 14:09.12 | foxlit | "Assign (some binding) to (some button)" where both parenthesized expressions could be anything of your choice during combat |
| 14:09.34 | foxlit | While it sounds like what you want is similar to the way default UI pages action bars |
| 14:09.51 | foxlit | You can switch what the assigned binding for 1 does by switching the active action bar |
| 14:10.27 | matt1s | I had a grid that was 5x5 on the screen. I changed the grid with Q, E and R. Then I would select row 1 of the displayed grid with SHIFT+1, and slot 1 of the grid with button 1. Then I could do shift+2 and select row 2 of the grid, but still use button 1 to use slot 1 of row 2 |
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| 14:11.08 | matt1s | And if I hit E I would change the entire grid, but still use SHIFT+1, and 1 to select rows / columns |
| 14:11.14 | Maldivia | foxlit: yeah, I know how the trade link looks like, was just wondering if anyone was make an addon to create them to include only specific skills |
| 14:11.51 | foxlit | that sounds evil :) |
| 14:12.04 | foxlit | matt1s: that's entirely possible. |
| 14:12.22 | matt1s | foxlit: without using modifiers? |
| 14:12.24 | Maldivia | foxlit: it was just if I should finish my prototype, or just leave it if other had already done it :9 |
| 14:12.43 | foxlit | eeevil, I say, eeeevil! |
| 14:13.25 | Maldivia | foxlit: why, for instance, instead if listing all your enchants, could be nice to just list the few enchants you want to enchant :) |
| 14:14.06 | matt1s | foxlit: I'm very interested in hearing a proposition to a solution, I've not played WoW since the secure state headers patch came into play because I couldn't play the way I wanted to |
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| 14:15.24 | foxlit | It's all in the stateheader docs, you could configure bindings based on states, and your selection hotkeys (QER, SHIFT+x) would change the state. |
| 14:17.09 | matt1s | foxlit: I'm not a UI developer though. I tried my hands on LUA and WoW UI, but quickly gave up when starting to read on the statue headers. It went swoosh over my head. I was hoping someone had created a bar mod that did this already |
| 14:17.17 | krka | matt1s: Dude, it's not an acronym! |
| 14:17.19 | matt1s | s/statue/state |
| 14:17.25 | matt1s | Lua |
| 14:18.33 | foxlit | Good luck with that, really |
| 14:18.45 | cbreak | I read rumors about something new |
| 14:19.10 | cbreak | instead of state headers you could use some wicked "protected lua" code |
| 14:19.11 | foxlit | It sounds like a rather uncommon control scheme, so I doubt you'd find something that implements exactly what you want already |
| 14:20.38 | matt1s | I could try my hands again on Lua. I've done considerable amounts of Javascript coding lately, from what I understand there are some parallells between the two, prototyping for instance. |
| 14:20.54 | matt1s | and functions as first class constructs |
| 14:21.10 | matt1s | err first class citizens |
| 14:21.39 | krka | yes, they share a lot of similaries |
| 14:21.59 | krka | lua is just neater (i.e. fewer gotchas) and has smarter scoping |
| 14:22.15 | krka | and has metatables, which javascript lacks completely |
| 14:22.17 | matt1s | yeah, I've not gotten the hang of lexicographical scoping yet |
| 14:22.24 | krka | and javascript has some really weird OO, imo |
| 14:22.39 | krka | you mean lexical scoping, i presume |
| 14:22.47 | matt1s | yeah that's probably it :-) |
| 14:22.48 | krka | lexicographical scoping would be ... interesting |
| 14:23.08 | krka | function foo could only access variables that are before "foo" in the alphabet :P |
| 14:23.45 | matt1s | I'm also doing test driven development.. are there any test frameworks for lua? |
| 14:23.57 | krka | i think so |
| 14:24.12 | krka | http://lua-users.org/wiki/UnitTesting |
| 14:24.51 | matt1s | Great, maybe I'll give it a shot |
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| 14:27.06 | matt1s | Any idea if it's possible to mock WoW? |
| 14:27.17 | Josh_Borke | what do you mean by mock? |
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| 14:27.49 | krka | WoW:s father is a hamster and WoW:s mother smells of elderberries |
| 14:28.10 | matt1s | That you replace the WoW API with a library that pretends it's wow, so you don't have to run WoW to make your tests work |
| 14:28.14 | krka | there is also wowbench, afaik |
| 14:28.15 | zenzelezz | now go away, or he shall mock you a second time |
| 14:28.23 | krka | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench |
| 14:28.27 | krka | not sure how up to date it is |
| 14:28.29 | cncfanatics | !ap 1505 |
| 14:28.49 | foxlit | We follow the "get it right the first time" paradigm around here |
| 14:28.50 | krka | latest version august 2006 |
| 14:29.12 | kneeki | I'm so unorigional :( |
| 14:29.35 | kneeki | I have been trying for days to think up a name for my button addon, to no avail. :( |
| 14:30.00 | matt1s | ack, I'll make do |
| 14:30.01 | kneeki | ClassButtons is my best candidate so far |
| 14:30.12 | krka | what does it do? |
| 14:30.12 | matt1s | My button mod is going to be named Butt-Tard |
| 14:30.23 | kneeki | matt1s: Haha! |
| 14:30.25 | krka | "Asson" |
| 14:30.33 | foxlit | Apply directly to... ass? |
| 14:30.51 | krka | cl Ass Butt ons |
| 14:30.53 | Josh_Borke | wow bench is very old |
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| 14:30.59 | Josh_Borke | but it was the same idea |
| 14:31.00 | kneeki | This is the description: Minimalism is key here. Creates 4 rows of vertical buttons & one row of horizontal buttons at the bottom w/ class specific abilitys. settings.lua for configuration. |
| 14:31.43 | krka | wait... rows of vertical buttons? |
| 14:31.52 | kneeki | For the most part, it just creates buttons on your screen with commonly used ability's that you don't need a key binding for. |
| 14:31.56 | krka | i have a hard time visualising it |
| 14:32.08 | kneeki | lol? |
| 14:32.17 | kneeki | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10229-ClassButtonsLKBeta.html |
| 14:32.40 | kneeki | Really, only the Shaman class uses 4 rows. But using settings.lua you can have any class use all 4. |
| 14:32.56 | kneeki | Just preference really. |
| 14:34.04 | foxlit | more on-screen junk <3 |
| 14:34.18 | kneeki | foxlit: Yup. ;) |
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| 14:38.02 | matt1s | If I want to look at a very very simple WoW mod that follows all the best practices, which one should I look at? |
| 14:38.30 | kneeki | matt1s: You want examples of code? |
| 14:38.32 | matt1s | I just want to look at what the glue looks like |
| 14:38.41 | kneeki | matt1s: What kind of addon are you creating? |
| 14:38.50 | matt1s | I'm going to create a bar modification |
| 14:39.08 | kneeki | matt1s: A modification to the default bars, or creating your own? |
| 14:39.21 | Anaral | Anyone else having issues logging off the Beta realm? As in, the client stops responding? |
| 14:39.35 | matt1s | kneeki: Creating my own |
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| 14:40.46 | kneeki | matt1s: Hmm... Will they be something the user can swap spells/abilitys around, or have static spells there? |
| 14:41.59 | matt1s | kneeki: I'm not sure what a static spell is |
| 14:42.48 | kneeki | matt1s: Can the user swap spells/abilitys on a whim? Or do you want the buttons to have a single purpose? unless changed via options/.lua configs? |
| 14:44.16 | kneeki | matt1s: If it's the first, I'd think that one of the big name bar mods is a good option. But, I don't think they are creating their own buttons, I think they just modify the default buttons. ClassButtons and FancyBar (no longer updated) create their own. But ClassButtons cannot be changed w/o modifying .lua settings, and FancyBar I *think* was also just a modification of the default buttons... |
| 14:44.18 | kneeki | ...that blizzard is not using. |
| 14:44.33 | matt1s | hold on a sec, telephone |
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| 14:46.55 | matt1s | The user should be able to swap on a whim. I'm not sure if I need to create my own. I described my problem above, but I could say it again :-) |
| 14:47.51 | foxlit | matt1s: you have a much simpler subset of the "swap on a whim" problem that's actually doable. Generic, swap-anything-anywhere-anywhen is unsolvable, and there's an important distinction there. |
| 14:48.12 | matt1s | I have a grid with buttons, 5x5. I want to change the grid with i.e. Q, E and R. I want to select a row in the grid with SHIFT+1 - SHIFT+5 regardless of which grid is shown. I want to execute spells with buttons 1 - 5 on the selected row |
| 14:49.09 | matt1s | foxlit: I see. Do you have any advice to what mod I could look at for best practices on how to do it? Maybe I can modify an existing mod |
| 14:49.30 | Neuro_Medivh | technically, you could achieve that effect with any of the common bar mods |
| 14:49.32 | foxlit | My idea of best practices is reading code and kicking butt. |
| 14:49.45 | foxlit | So I really am not the best person to ask -- plus I play with the default action bars. |
| 14:50.37 | kneeki | foxlit: As do I :) |
| 14:50.52 | matt1s | Neuro_Medivh: I understand I will have to change key bindings based on state, so I'm not sure where to start. I think I will have to just create something simple, like the 5x5 grid I talked about, then take it from there. |
| 14:50.57 | foxlit | [and I'm all out of code] |
| 14:51.16 | Neuro_Medivh | define "change key bindings based on state" |
| 14:51.25 | kneeki | matt1s: You may want to make sure that it's possible to do w/o being blocked by the default UI while in combat before you invest to much time |
| 14:51.44 | Neuro_Medivh | kneeki, that's what I was thinking |
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| 14:52.37 | matt1s | foxlit> It's all in the stateheader docs, you could configure bindings based on states, and your selection hotkeys (QER, SHIFT+x) would change the state. |
| 14:53.37 | kneeki | matt1s: My concern with your addon is simple. You cannot show, hide, or move clickable buttons (and I think frames) while in combat. |
| 14:53.41 | Neuro_Medivh | matt, sorry to do this to you, but take it back a step. Define what you want the addon to DO, ultimately. |
| 14:54.06 | Neuro_Medivh | You want a 5x5 grid that you can swap the 1-5 action buttons on the fly, that's easy |
| 14:54.09 | matt1s | kneeki: ah, then I'm screwed |
| 14:54.18 | kneeki | =( |
| 14:54.24 | foxlit | kneeki: all that is doable with SecureHeaders. |
| 14:54.37 | Neuro_Medivh | kneeki, it's not impossible, it's just restricted |
| 14:54.39 | foxlit | It'd be some very short-lived code considering the advent of wotlk, though :) |
| 14:54.43 | kneeki | Mhmm |
| 14:55.11 | foxlit | FrameXML/SecureStateHeader.lua -- comments from the top |
| 14:56.14 | matt1s | Neuro_Medivh: Ultimately I want to be able to access 75 slots with the use of only 9 keyboard buttons. I'll try and write up the most accurate description I can, hold on a sec |
| 14:56.24 | foxlit | You'd need USING THE HEADER, STATES, VISIBILITY, STATE TRANSITIONS, KEY RE-BINDINGS, and possibly ADVANCED TOPICS: STATE-BASED ATTRIBUTES |
| 14:56.41 | foxlit | (that last one sounds interesting!) |
| 14:56.50 | Neuro_Medivh | matt1s, it's all based on how you want to access them |
| 14:57.12 | Neuro_Medivh | if you just want to cycle through, that's easy enough |
| 14:57.48 | Neuro_Medivh | heck, the default setup can do that for you without any addon at all |
| 14:58.02 | Neuro_Medivh | 6x12=72, so close to 75 |
| 14:58.12 | foxlit | The default setup loses, unfortunately |
| 14:58.37 | foxlit | You really do not want to be reaching for = :) |
| 14:59.01 | krka | remap it? |
| 14:59.03 | Neuro_Medivh | well, for his purposes, it's fine. Just redefine the swap buttons |
| 14:59.24 | foxlit | krka: can't remap it to anything reasonable without killing modifiers on macros |
| 14:59.52 | matt1s | Should show a 5x5 grid. There is three grids, that is toggled by either Q, E and R. Shift+2 would select row two of the active grid. Button '1' would execute slot one on row two in the shown grid. When I change grid, shift+2 would select row two in the new grid. Button '1' would now execute slot one on row two in the visible grid. |
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| 15:00.23 | matt1s | s/is/are |
| 15:00.57 | foxlit | You also probably mean Shift+1 and "row one" in the first occurrence of Shift+2 and "row two" up there. |
| 15:00.58 | matt1s | It's kind of complicated to describe in words, but when it works it's awesome |
| 15:01.03 | cbreak | so instead of bars of 12 you want bars of 5? |
| 15:01.13 | matt1s | cbreak: that's correct |
| 15:01.24 | cbreak | that part is easy. |
| 15:01.28 | cbreak | even bongos can do that. |
| 15:01.33 | Neuro_Medivh | just need 15 of them |
| 15:02.02 | cbreak | an addon could make as many as it wants I think |
| 15:02.20 | matt1s | foxlit: it looks correct to me |
| 15:02.22 | Neuro_Medivh | but yeah, that kind of addon is doable fairly easily. The only hacking you might have to do is the QER grid swapping |
| 15:03.49 | matt1s | It is? I've been told it's impossible without modifying state headers and what not that foxlit is talking about |
| 15:04.11 | Neuro_Medivh | well, yes |
| 15:04.30 | foxlit | I think the trick is that you might get someone else to modify stateheaders for you if you're willing to coerce their code into doing that :) |
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| 15:04.43 | Neuro_Medivh | if you were doing it from scratch, you have to make 15 5-row bars using secure frames and all that other good rot |
| 15:04.47 | Neuro_Medivh | be warned though |
| 15:05.01 | Neuro_Medivh | secure frames and state headers are black houdou of the darkest kind |
| 15:05.30 | matt1s | yeah, and I've not written a mod for WoW yet. =/ It seems like a paramount task for someone as inexperienced as me |
| 15:05.36 | Neuro_Medivh | it is |
| 15:05.48 | Neuro_Medivh | you're better off taking an existing bar mod and seeing if you can get it to do what you want |
| 15:06.02 | Neuro_Medivh | bongos is probably your best bet |
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| 15:09.11 | matt1s | Hm ok, I'll check it out. Thanks! |
| 15:09.41 | Nom- | *yay* |
| 15:09.52 | Nom- | blizz finally gave BS a skill that everyone will want to use |
| 15:10.29 | |pez| | hoh? |
| 15:10.55 | Nom- | belt buckle (adds socket to belt), socket weapon, socket gloves, socket bracers |
| 15:11.02 | Duman | yep |
| 15:11.12 | Nom- | Just like enchanters, we'll finally have something that *everyone* wants |
| 15:11.18 | |pez| | Ah, nice. |
| 15:11.19 | Pneumatus | at least until they decide it will be self-only |
| 15:12.18 | Gnarfoz | I can see that coming... and it'll suck |
| 15:12.36 | Pneumatus | no more than ring enchants being self-only |
| 15:12.55 | Gnarfoz | which sucks, too |
| 15:13.01 | Gnarfoz | (even tho I'm an enchanter :>) |
| 15:13.10 | kneeki | agreed, and I'm an enchanter also :) |
| 15:13.27 | durcyn | the truly crap part of it is they're permanent even if you change professions, so there will be pressure for min/maxers to constantly relevel professions =( |
| 15:13.34 | Pneumatus | i love that gathering skills are going to have some use thou |
| 15:13.36 | kneeki | But, checking out ring enchants before raids is a good idea to see who you'll be rolling against later |
| 15:13.45 | Pneumatus | so people that have retained gathering skills on their main dont get penalised |
| 15:14.09 | Nom- | soone in their right mind would max out enchanting then drop it |
| 15:14.20 | Nom- | *noone |
| 15:14.57 | Nom- | i love the 2-handers @ 80 |
| 15:15.07 | Nom- | crafted 186.5dps |
| 15:15.19 | Nom- | 124 str, 105 stam |
| 15:15.45 | Pneumatus | alchemys really the only profession people would drop at a whim imo |
| 15:15.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I think I'll have to drop mining on my pally, to re-learn BS |
| 15:15.59 | Gnarfoz | (damn I had that at 370 once) |
| 15:16.28 | Nom- | i'd leave the last 20 points or so for wrath |
| 15:16.31 | Gnarfoz | JC I can make money with without having mining |
| 15:16.48 | Nom- | the new recipes kick in at 360 BS |
| 15:16.52 | Gnarfoz | yea. |
| 15:17.03 | Gnarfoz | but for re-leveling BS, I'll have to pre-farm everything before I drop mining ^^ |
| 15:17.04 | Nom- | no, 350 BS |
| 15:17.12 | Gnarfoz | good thing I'm a pally. yay 120% speed ;) |
| 15:17.38 | Nom- | i self farmed all the mats to go from 1 - 350 in one weekend |
| 15:17.47 | Nom- | 350-365 took ages |
| 15:17.57 | foxlit | I'm currently still doing that on beta |
| 15:17.57 | Nom- | 375 even |
| 15:18.04 | foxlit | DAMN YOU, IRON DEPOSITS, DAMN YOU |
| 15:18.14 | Nom- | lol |
| 15:18.22 | foxlit | (blacksmithing 215-250 is a horrible black hole of conspiracy) |
| 15:18.31 | Nom- | all the epix are BoE |
| 15:18.34 | Gnarfoz | yeah, lower 200's sucks :< |
| 15:18.49 | Neuro_Medivh | I have max BS and JC, question is whether I drop one to retake mining |
| 15:18.50 | Gnarfoz | and 360+ is stupidly expensive ^^ |
| 15:18.51 | Nom- | just send me all the ore and i'll level my BS... you can have stuff i make :D |
| 15:18.52 | Pneumatus | farming ore is nice and easy these days tho |
| 15:19.09 | erikd | nom: the way the BS socketing is phrased it seems like it's only your own items like the ring enchants for enchanters |
| 15:19.15 | Gnarfoz | Neuro_Medivh: I wouldn't :\ if you've got at least a little cash, it's not worth it, I'd say |
| 15:19.22 | foxlit | eirkd: I actually get the opposite impression |
| 15:19.25 | foxlit | But hey, who knows :) |
| 15:19.36 | Nom- | Not all of them erikd |
| 15:19.47 | Neuro_Medivh | the buckle isn't BOP though |
| 15:19.48 | erikd | doesn't it say "Create on your"? |
| 15:19.54 | Nom- | crap, looks like bracers, gloves are |
| 15:20.00 | Nom- | weapon / belt are not |
| 15:20.09 | erikd | oh, it's a boe item? i didn't see that |
| 15:20.17 | Nom- | Permanently adds a socket to a one-handed weapon. |
| 15:20.30 | Nom- | Titanium Belt Buckle |
| 15:20.30 | Nom- | Requires Level 75 |
| 15:20.30 | Nom- | Use: Permanently attach a titanium belt buckle onto a belt, adding a socket to the belt. Requires a level 60 or higher item. |
| 15:20.47 | foxlit | That's armor-kit wording. |
| 15:20.53 | Nom- | yeah it is |
| 15:20.57 | Nom- | it's an epic item |
| 15:20.57 | erikd | wonder if it's a random socket color or if they'll have multiples |
| 15:20.59 | Nom- | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=41611 |
| 15:21.12 | Nom- | hopefully it's random |
| 15:21.13 | foxlit | erikd: probably a color-less socket |
| 15:21.23 | Nom- | yeah, probably colourless |
| 15:21.49 | erikd | that's true, there wouldn't be a bonus |
| 15:22.01 | foxlit | I do have socketed belts, however :) |
| 15:22.15 | Pneumatus | for belts at least it makes sense, as theres no other way to enhance them |
| 15:22.30 | erikd | that we know of! |
| 15:22.31 | Pneumatus | for items that can already be enchanted/armor patched/libramed they may make it bs-only |
| 15:22.32 | erikd | :P |
| 15:23.07 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm assuming it'll take the place of an enchant, meaning a belt with sockets on it already can have one added to it, but an enchanted belt (which don't exist) couldn't |
| 15:23.51 | Pneumatus | theres no way a single gem will match an enchant tho |
| 15:23.55 | Pneumatus | they dont at present |
| 15:24.01 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but that's what I mean |
| 15:24.09 | Neuro_Medivh | there's no belt enchant |
| 15:24.11 | Nom- | I'd like to see them make a couple of other nice commodity items for BS though |
| 15:24.19 | foxlit | Pneumatus: actually, they do |
| 15:24.39 | Neuro_Medivh | so in the code, this would occupy the slot that the enchant would normally use |
| 15:24.39 | foxlit | Enchanter-only enchants are actually worse than epic gems |
| 15:24.39 | Nom- | They've ditched sharpening stones it seems... maybe a nice shield or weapon buff that's actually worth using |
| 15:25.02 | Neuro_Medivh | lol @flying carpet |
| 15:25.03 | foxlit | Everything else is... well, acquirable, even if you aren't an enchanter yourself |
| 15:25.06 | Nom- | foxlit: But the key is, they stack with epic gems |
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| 15:25.23 | Pneumatus | im expecting belts to be BoE attachments, but the rest be bs-only, and stack in addition to enchants |
| 15:25.29 | Nom- | foxlit: An enchanter's ring can be just that little bit better than everyone elses', even if they have the same item |
| 15:25.53 | foxlit | Nom-: I presume that'll be the case for all blacksmith-bound socketing items, too |
| 15:25.53 | Nom- | Pneumatus: Well, the current is that weapons are cast on anyone by the looks of it |
| 15:25.59 | erikd | 20 healing on a ring over what everyone else has is huge, especially on both of them |
| 15:26.05 | erikd | (at 70) |
| 15:26.19 | Nom- | lol it's huge in wrath |
| 15:26.42 | Nom- | my pally with ~ 2400 AP with BoM is send-healing for 4300+ and critting for over 6K |
| 15:26.47 | Nom- | That's in RET |
| 15:26.52 | erikd | wow... |
| 15:26.53 | Nom- | *self-healing |
| 15:26.54 | erikd | OP |
| 15:27.01 | Pneumatus | my priest GH crits over 12k |
| 15:27.10 | Nom- | having said that, in holy gear he crits for over 10k :D |
| 15:27.14 | erikd | wtb blizzcon invites working so i can play >< |
| 15:27.20 | Duman | my prot pally is healing for ~3600-4000 w/ 7k crits ;) |
| 15:27.35 | Nom- | apparently takes @ level 78 are already hitting 25-30k hitpoints |
| 15:27.40 | Nom- | *tanks |
| 15:27.45 | Nom- | wtf is up with my typing today |
| 15:27.48 | erikd | they increased the cap? |
| 15:27.54 | foxlit | No, they didn't |
| 15:28.01 | Seerah | didn't think so |
| 15:28.01 | erikd | i thought 77 was the cap |
| 15:28.05 | Seerah | it is |
| 15:28.06 | Pneumatus | ive not seen anyone over 20k atm |
| 15:28.14 | Pneumatus | well, around the 20k mark |
| 15:28.24 | Pneumatus | if they stacked stamina im sure they could go higher tho |
| 15:28.33 | Nom- | orly? someone on my server told me that... i guess they could have been full of it |
| 15:28.34 | |pez| | I really want that Zhevra mount. |
| 15:28.35 | erikd | our tanks at 70 are around 23k |
| 15:28.37 | Duman | WTB TICKETS @ NOW |
| 15:28.46 | durcyn | i saw a druid in pure stamina gear hit close to 30k, zero mitigation or avoidance though |
| 15:28.53 | Pneumatus | not unbuffed they arent erikd |
| 15:29.03 | cladhaire | Anyone know what the "Slot" name is for the relic slot: |
| 15:29.09 | cladhaire | I need to GetInventorySlotInfo() |
| 15:29.15 | Nom- | cladhaire: ranged? |
| 15:29.21 | cladhaire | I tried that, didn't seem to work |
| 15:29.22 | erikd | true :) |
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| 15:29.29 | Nom- | cladhaire: It's classed the same as the crossbow slot iirc |
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| 15:29.44 | Duman | rangedslot |
| 15:29.58 | durcyn | just use Slot ID 18? |
| 15:30.00 | cladhaire | = GetInventoryItemLink(18) does nothing |
| 15:30.04 | durcyn | hrm |
| 15:30.16 | Pneumatus | isnt it slot 11? |
| 15:30.28 | durcyn | 11 is finger 1 according to the wiki |
| 15:30.30 | cladhaire | nope, not 11 |
| 15:30.32 | foxlit | awesome tooltip |
| 15:30.35 | cladhaire | they're not statidc |
| 15:30.41 | cladhaire | but in practice they are :P |
| 15:30.47 | foxlit | "Unholy Presence: .... increasing... movement speed by 159972%" |
| 15:30.53 | cladhaire | Thats why we use GetInventorySlotInfo("RangedSlot") |
| 15:31.42 | durcyn | according to InventorySlotName, RangedSlot is correct |
| 15:31.57 | durcyn | Info works but Link doesn't? |
| 15:32.42 | cladhaire | i cna't get the info abotu the item in the slot |
| 15:33.14 | Nom- | lol foxlit ... it's only 10% |
| 15:33.27 | foxlit | I demand my 159972% movement speed bonus! |
| 15:33.29 | jaxdahl2 | did you read they are decoupling auras and presences? |
| 15:33.35 | foxlit | Although that might make things impractical |
| 15:33.36 | Nom- | but the key is, it stacks with other movement buffs (ie. aspect of the pack) |
| 15:34.02 | Nom- | that could be a bit whacked... |
| 15:34.51 | Nom- | unholy presence + blood aura would be insane |
| 15:35.06 | Nom- | Blood already does stupid amounts of self healing |
| 15:35.21 | Nom- | ah its a while in blood presence |
| 15:35.22 | Nom- | never mind |
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| 15:36.08 | Nom- | DK is going to get hit by the nerf bat so hard |
| 15:36.09 | Nom- | :/ |
| 15:36.27 | Pneumatus | hopefully |
| 15:36.52 | Nom- | I never drop below 80% hp on my DK, even doing AoE pulls of 3+ mobs at my level |
| 15:36.57 | jaxdahl2 | cladhaire |
| 15:36.58 | Nom- | Blood worms are just nuts |
| 15:36.58 | jaxdahl2 | GetInventoryItemLink("player",GetInventorySlotInfo("RangedSlot")) ? |
| 15:37.14 | Duman | I still think bloodworms are bugged... they are healing for 4x what the tooltip claims they should |
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| 15:37.24 | cladhaire | jaxdahl2: thanks, I was messing something up :P |
| 15:37.25 | foxlit | Nom-: that's a difficult balance either way |
| 15:37.58 | foxlit | But it seems that you get about twice as much healing from the worms as you should |
| 15:38.05 | foxlit | They hit for about half of what they heal for :/ |
| 15:38.16 | Nom- | ah yeah i did notice that |
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| 15:38.25 | Nom- | i assumed i had another talent which was buffing the amount they healed |
| 15:38.33 | foxlit | I don't think there's anything |
| 15:39.30 | foxlit | I think paladins can also pull off the 3+ mobs of +3 levels thing, it's not all that bad. |
| 15:39.48 | Nom- | ah you know what |
| 15:39.57 | Nom- | it's blood aura imo |
| 15:40.06 | Nom- | 2/2 blood aura = +100% |
| 15:40.23 | foxlit | "any party emem" |
| 15:40.25 | Nom- | that's probably a bug |
| 15:40.27 | foxlit | s/emem/members/ |
| 15:40.39 | Nom- | yeah, it's probably a bug with blood aura affecting self, which it shouldn't |
| 15:40.42 | foxlit | Odd wording there :/ |
| 15:40.52 | Nom- | easy test would be to spec out of it, test, spec into it, test |
| 15:40.53 | Pneumatus | yeh, blood aura is giving self-heal when it should just be hitting other party members |
| 15:41.00 | foxlit | On the other hand, would you really bother to spec into it if it didn't help you? |
| 15:41.11 | Nom- | It's a group synergy thing |
| 15:41.19 | Nom- | ie. The 5 x Blood DK going through ramparts |
| 15:41.24 | Nom- | Don't need a healer... blood aura is enough |
| 15:41.24 | Pneumatus | for levelling it's useless tho |
| 15:41.28 | foxlit | It'll be pathetic anywhere it matters |
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| 15:41.48 | Pneumatus | the only time it really works well is with multiple other blood dks |
| 15:41.54 | durcyn | eh, as undertuned as lk instances are, you could actually 5-dk it with that talent |
| 15:42.07 | durcyn | assuming they stay that way |
| 15:42.12 | Nom- | I've done it... |
| 15:42.17 | Nom- | 5 blood deathknights, ran ramparts |
| 15:42.24 | foxlit | lk, not bc |
| 15:42.24 | Nom- | no healer required |
| 15:42.34 | Nom- | it wouldn't surprise me |
| 15:42.35 | foxlit | You outgear ramparts on deathknights |
| 15:42.42 | Pneumatus | just have to rotate taunts so 1 guy doesnt get wtfspanked |
| 15:42.46 | Duman | I ran ramparts and furnace both w/ 5xBlood DK |
| 15:43.14 | Duman | and then underbog and slave pens |
| 15:43.18 | Nom- | It's an interesting exprience :) |
| 15:43.30 | Duman | ended up 2manning the first boss in UB, too :P |
| 15:43.40 | Duman | since apparently 3 of the ppl had "never been there" (?!?) |
| 15:43.52 | Nom- | lol |
| 15:43.53 | Duman | and didn't move him when he popped shrooms, and kept attackng when he rooted |
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| 15:44.29 | Duman | luckily two of us ran out when he rooted, so after he wtfpwned the 3 still attacking, I just 'tanked' him, kiting him around, spawning 190283901 bloodworms ;) |
| 15:44.29 | Lopeppeppy | ... popping shrooms is a much different thing in my mind. |
| 15:44.36 | foxlit | but looks like they'll be nerfing blood aura |
| 15:44.37 | Duman | peppey ;) |
| 15:44.48 | Duman | nerfing? didn't look like a nerf |
| 15:44.52 | foxlit | So you won't get double heals from blood worms |
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| 15:45.01 | Duman | oh is that what was happening? |
| 15:45.01 | Nom- | Yeah, that's a bug, not a nerf :P |
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| 15:45.12 | Nom- | It's supposed to be a party synergy talent |
| 15:45.15 | Duman | my bloodworms were healing for 4x, anyway |
| 15:45.17 | Nom- | not a god-mode talent |
| 15:45.37 | foxlit | Nom-: troll dictionary: if it benefits me now and no longer does, it's a nerf; if it benefits someone else now and no longer does, it's a bugfix. |
| 15:45.55 | Nom- | pfft |
| 15:46.09 | Duman | heh |
| 15:46.14 | Pneumatus | technically all DK changes are bugfixes, as they dont benefit anyone as it's not live. |
| 15:46.15 | Nom- | i consider it a bugfix, and i have a blood DK |
| 15:46.19 | Nom- | I consider myself to be too powerful |
| 15:46.34 | Nom- | I consider my Ret Pally to be about right at the moment |
| 15:46.34 | foxlit | Reroll a... a... a... holy priest, please? |
| 15:46.41 | Duman | no changes to things that are new in alpha/beta should be considered a "nerf" :) |
| 15:46.55 | foxlit | Stop applying your logic to my trolling! |
| 15:46.55 | cladhaire | anyone want to write a random function for me? |
| 15:46.57 | Duman | jsut "adjustments" (or bugfixes) |
| 15:46.59 | Nom- | Given i'm coming into the content now stupidly ovegearing it |
| 15:47.07 | Duman | hehe |
| 15:47.19 | Pneumatus | function random() return 3 end |
| 15:47.23 | Duman | haha |
| 15:47.27 | Pneumatus | garunteed to be random. |
| 15:47.28 | cladhaire | I have a table A = {"alpha1", "alpha2", "alpha3"} and a table B = {"beta1", "beta2", "beta3"} |
| 15:47.29 | Nom- | I mean... you can't let BT level Ret Pallies into levelling content, then cry nerf when they steamroll it |
| 15:47.45 | cladhaire | I need to generate all permuatations (or is it combinations) of those two tables, choosing one from each table. |
| 15:47.50 | foxlit | Nom-: can and will! |
| 15:47.55 | Gnarfoz | my ret gear was practically nonexistant |
| 15:48.03 | Gnarfoz | and yet, as ret, I pwn faces :( |
| 15:48.06 | Gnarfoz | in GREENS |
| 15:48.07 | Pneumatus | doesnt lua have some kind of table union function cladhaire? |
| 15:48.11 | cladhaire | no |
| 15:48.12 | Shirik | cladhaire: Which one, permutation or combination? |
| 15:48.13 | foxlit | no, it doesn't |
| 15:48.14 | Nom- | I'm wearing T4, T5 and a couple of T6 pieces |
| 15:48.15 | cladhaire | and union wouldn't work here |
| 15:48.17 | cladhaire | Shirik: order doesn't matter |
| 15:48.21 | Shirik | ok, combination |
| 15:48.22 | cladhaire | Just needs to choose one from each set |
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| 15:48.25 | Nom- | There's no way on earth I wasn't going to steamroll the first few zones |
| 15:48.30 | cladhaire | and ideally should take an arbitrary number of tables. |
| 15:48.32 | Shirik | I can give you an n^2 algorithm :/ |
| 15:48.32 | cladhaire | not just two |
| 15:48.37 | cladhaire | speed doesn't matter |
| 15:48.46 | cladhaire | just working on other things, and know people here love those things :P |
| 15:49.00 | Shirik | for x = 1, #t1 do for y = x, #t2 do print(t1[x], t2[y]) end |
| 15:49.02 | Shirik | end |
| 15:49.10 | Gnarfoz | Nom-: my point being: I can do it, too, in blue reputation pvp gear, some of my tanking equipment, the horseman helmet and the cheap BoJ warrior bracers >_> |
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| 15:49.13 | Pneumatus | so table Z would have { { "alpha1", "beta1"}, {"alpha1", "beta2"},...} |
| 15:49.13 | Duman | I think he wants it randomzied :) |
| 15:49.15 | cladhaire | Shirik: arbitrary number of tables :P |
| 15:49.16 | Pneumatus | ? |
| 15:49.22 | Shirik | arbitrary eh |
| 15:49.23 | Gnarfoz | oh and s4 gloves for 5% increased CS dmg ;) |
| 15:49.24 | cladhaire | Pneumatus: yeah |
| 15:49.29 | cladhaire | should work for two sets, or three sets, or four |
| 15:49.30 | Nom- | Yeah, but most of that comes from the double damage on stun from SoC crits, right ? |
| 15:49.44 | Shirik | generate code on the fly :D |
| 15:49.45 | Nom- | That's the only thing which is off at the moment, and it's because blizz hasn't adjusted the co-efficients |
| 15:49.47 | Gnarfoz | hm, that's something that matters more in pvp situations |
| 15:49.52 | Shirik | kidding |
| 15:49.57 | Duman | you know the number of tables tho, rigth? |
| 15:50.18 | cladhaire | I will at the point the function is called, yes. |
| 15:50.18 | Pneumatus | well, strapping the tables together would just be a case of for-looping, but as for an arbitary number of tables... |
| 15:50.22 | Shirik | I think you can do it with a recursive function, cladhaire |
| 15:50.24 | Shirik | let me play with it for a bit |
| 15:50.28 | cladhaire | that's what i'm hoping for :P |
| 15:50.37 | Nom- | SoC has a spell damage and a AP co-efficinet... now that blizz added the AP=>SP conversion, it's just pushed that spell up really high |
| 15:50.44 | Pneumatus | brb anyway |
| 15:51.05 | Nom- | I'm working with about 730 spell damage on my pally |
| 15:51.21 | Nom- | Which is more spell damage than i used to have in holy spec with holy gear |
| 15:52.06 | foxlit | function combine(t, ...) if select("#", ...) == 1 then ... else combine(combine(t, (...)), select(2,...)); end |
| 15:52.21 | foxlit | with some missing return statements and inserting shirik's oneliner into ... |
| 15:53.00 | Nom- | hmm... i haven't put on healing gear yet... i would have to have at least 1000 spell dmg now |
| 15:53.01 | foxlit | [nasty, nasty intermediate table format transitions there] |
| 15:53.11 | Nom- | probably closer to 1050-1100 |
| 15:54.13 | Nom- | that would be pretty damn nice for levelling as holy |
| 15:54.18 | Anaral | Okay this whole client crash at death is not so fun (and yes I've bugged it) |
| 15:54.20 | Shirik | cladhaire: I have a solution that's probably slow and generates an increasing amount of garbage with the number of tables |
| 15:54.22 | Shirik | but I think it works |
| 15:54.26 | cladhaire | thats fine |
| 15:54.31 | cladhaire | its for a proof of concept |
| 15:54.53 | cladhaire | so slow is okay :P |
| 15:54.53 | cladhaire | and garbage, meh! |
| 15:55.33 | Nom- | ok i think i put off working on this presentation long enough :D |
| 15:55.58 | Shirik | Completely untested: http://wowi.pastey.net/93601 |
| 15:56.04 | foxlit | cladhaire: any bounds on number of tables and table size? |
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| 15:56.06 | Shirik | Oh wow, obviously untested due to the big red "elseif" there >.> |
| 15:56.13 | cladhaire | foxlit: not that I can give you right now. |
| 15:56.15 | Shirik | missing a "then" sorry |
| 15:56.49 | foxlit | Would I run out of number representation space if I did v=1; for i=1,#{...} do v=v*#{...}[i] end? |
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| 15:57.01 | cladhaire | it won't be very big |
| 15:57.04 | cladhaire | like under 20 tables |
| 15:57.08 | cladhaire | under 5 items per table. |
| 15:57.17 | foxlit | That's definitely doable |
| 15:57.18 | Pneumatus | how would you pass the tables? |
| 15:57.19 | Shirik | My algorithm would result in giving you a table of tables, btw, with all possible combinations |
| 15:57.29 | cladhaire | Shirik: k |
| 15:57.32 | Shirik | Pneumatus: combination({1,2,3}, {4,5,6}) ? |
| 15:57.33 | Pneumatus | like funk(table1, table2, table3, ...)? |
| 15:57.36 | foxlit | hey, shirik |
| 15:57.41 | Fisker- | Shirik ! |
| 15:57.42 | Fisker- | MY FRIEND |
| 15:57.45 | foxlit | {"a", "b"} {"c", "d"} |
| 15:58.00 | foxlit | {"a", "c"} {"a", "d"} {"b", "d"} |
| 15:58.09 | foxlit | where's my {"b" "c"}, you? |
| 15:58.16 | Shirik | is that from my code? |
| 15:58.30 | foxlit | First line is input, second is output |
| 15:58.43 | foxlit | If running your code in my head counts :) |
| 15:58.45 | Shirik | oh crap, I know why that happened. I don't know what I was thinking; I just woke up I guess |
| 15:59.11 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 15:59.13 | cladhaire | i'm missing a bunch :P |
| 16:00.54 | Shirik | yeah, I completely misinterpreted the question |
| 16:00.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:01.10 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 16:01.19 | cladhaire | can you check if an item is soulbound without scanning the tooltip? |
| 16:01.40 | nevcairiel | not that i know off |
| 16:01.46 | cladhaire | boo |
| 16:01.53 | cladhaire | that makes this much more difficult. |
| 16:02.05 | cladhaire | well i can probably get around it. |
| 16:02.24 | Shirik | This is closer: http://wowi.pastey.net/93603 |
| 16:02.27 | Shirik | But it still has one flaw |
| 16:04.10 | cladhaire | doesn't work for an odd number of tables? |
| 16:04.32 | foxlit | http://wowi.pastey.net/93604 |
| 16:04.42 | Shirik | cladhaire: No |
| 16:04.45 | Shirik | it keeps working down by one |
| 16:04.50 | Shirik | The problem is that it allows for duplicates |
| 16:04.58 | Shirik | in a corner case |
| 16:05.41 | Duman | oh like if you had "b" in both tables, you'd get {"b", "b"} and {"b", "b"} ? |
| 16:07.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:07.04 | AckisWork | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765634176&sid=1 |
| 16:07.08 | cladhaire | well i get an error when i run your code. |
| 16:07.13 | Shirik | hm? |
| 16:07.20 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/93606 |
| 16:07.36 | cladhaire | http://codepad.org/1biuMKIb |
| 16:07.38 | cladhaire | actually |
| 16:07.50 | Shirik | uh |
| 16:07.55 | Shirik | I must not have updated the pastey sorry |
| 16:07.57 | foxlit | it's trivial |
| 16:08.01 | Shirik | that should be a t1 |
| 16:08.04 | foxlit | t1,t2 instead of t1 |
| 16:08.10 | Shirik | no I took that out |
| 16:08.14 | jaxdahl2 | http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=23053215130303025030200013510052400133 will a build like this let me use dancing rune weapon for 26 seconds? |
| 16:08.20 | Shirik | t2 no longer exists |
| 16:08.25 | jaxdahl2 | look at the last talent in frost |
| 16:08.32 | Shirik | because the base case is only one table now |
| 16:08.42 | cladhaire | can you paste it then |
| 16:08.44 | cladhaire | so i can see :P |
| 16:08.44 | Duman | jax: it should |
| 16:08.51 | Pneumatus | jaxdahl: quite possibly |
| 16:08.51 | cladhaire | duplicates don't be an issue in this case shirik |
| 16:08.52 | cladhaire | so this work |
| 16:08.55 | cladhaire | if it works |
| 16:08.55 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:09.12 | jaxdahl2 | Pneumatus, maybe 23 seconds? 50*1.3=65, 65/5=13 ? |
| 16:09.17 | Shirik | ok, if you can guarantee each table has unique elements, this should work then |
| 16:09.17 | Duman | that's crazy, since DRW has a 30s cooldown anyway |
| 16:09.45 | Pneumatus | wouldn't take much to test it :> |
| 16:09.46 | foxlit | admittedly, blatant self promotion of a different approach |
| 16:09.59 | cladhaire | lol |
| 16:10.01 | cladhaire | which function do I call :P |
| 16:10.13 | foxlit | If you want shirik's output, getPermTable |
| 16:10.16 | Pneumatus | DRW has a 60 sec cooldown |
| 16:10.29 | Duman | oh yeah 1m |
| 16:10.33 | Shirik | local n, o, id = #ts, {}, id - 1; |
| 16:10.59 | foxlit | admittedly, that last variable is entirely optional |
| 16:11.10 | cladhaire | huzzah |
| 16:11.10 | cladhaire | http://codepad.org/RdgLEaXK |
| 16:11.12 | Duman | yeah, 23s I guess |
| 16:11.15 | foxlit | The rest makes sense to me :) |
| 16:11.21 | cladhaire | hah |
| 16:11.22 | Duman | 10+((50*1.30)/5) |
| 16:11.25 | cladhaire | ACE is the first result |
| 16:11.27 | cladhaire | win! |
| 16:11.38 | jaxdahl2 | Duman, it costs 50 rp |
| 16:11.41 | jaxdahl2 | used to be 10 |
| 16:11.49 | Duman | I know, that's why I have '50' in there :) |
| 16:11.55 | Duman | since that's the max extra you'd have |
| 16:12.03 | jaxdahl2 | oh, misread what the 10 meant there |
| 16:12.09 | Duman | nah, 10 is the base 10sec :) |
| 16:12.18 | Pneumatus | does death rune mastery proc on Heart Strike also? |
| 16:12.29 | jaxdahl2 | the other way of interpreting it is: 10+(100*1.3-50)*1.3/5 |
| 16:12.31 | jaxdahl2 | er |
| 16:12.37 | jaxdahl2 | 10+(100*1.3-50)/5 |
| 16:12.39 | Duman | no, just death strike |
| 16:12.56 | Pneumatus | that sucks :< |
| 16:13.06 | Pneumatus | no one with deep blood will be using death strike :< |
| 16:13.16 | jaxdahl2 | Pneumatus, blood worms |
| 16:13.17 | Duman | jax: hmm, I would assume the ability cost is subtracted first ;) |
| 16:13.29 | Duman | blood worms, self-heal |
| 16:13.32 | Pneumatus | ah, true |
| 16:13.36 | foxlit | Pneumatus: +damage while above 75% hp |
| 16:13.43 | jaxdahl2 | i soloed ursoc with blood worms |
| 16:13.43 | Duman | you can get some huge self-heals w/ multiple disases on the target |
| 16:13.45 | foxlit | Of course, you probably won't bother with it in a party/raid setting |
| 16:14.22 | Shirik | oh well, foxlit wins |
| 16:14.27 | jaxdahl2 | any elite that doesn't AOE, i can easily beat |
| 16:14.44 | foxlit | Hey, not so fast, Shirik! |
| 16:14.56 | Duman | ok wtf blizzard |
| 16:14.59 | Duman | I want my tickets |
| 16:15.21 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Duman |
| 16:15.22 | purl | There, there, Duman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:15.23 | foxlit | It only works as long as the number of permutations is small enough to be a distinct integer |
| 16:15.30 | Pneumatus | does rune tap party-heal if you have blood aura? |
| 16:15.34 | jaxdahl2 | yes |
| 16:15.42 | jaxdahl2 | very nicely, if i may say so |
| 16:15.55 | jaxdahl2 | about 1.7k last time i did it, per person |
| 16:16.12 | Duman | even better if you activate vampiric blood first :) |
| 16:16.21 | jaxdahl2 | i haven't played around with VB yet |
| 16:16.23 | foxlit | [similar problem came up in code jam, actually] |
| 16:16.25 | Duman | vb -> run tap and crit = win |
| 16:16.38 | Duman | vb is awesome |
| 16:16.38 | jaxdahl2 | i had a 3.4k heal the other day with death strike |
| 16:16.42 | jaxdahl2 | not sure how that happened |
| 16:16.42 | cladhaire | wow |
| 16:16.43 | Shirik | foxlit: lol |
| 16:16.50 | cladhaire | "memory allocation error: block too big" |
| 16:16.51 | jaxdahl2 | crit ds + crit heal ? |
| 16:16.56 | Shirik | cladhaire: From foxlit's code? |
| 16:17.01 | jaxdahl2 | 2 diseases. |
| 16:17.01 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 16:17.03 | Duman | how many diseases |
| 16:17.03 | Shirik | rofl |
| 16:17.04 | Duman | ahh |
| 16:17.06 | foxlit | Haha :) |
| 16:17.28 | Shirik | well my code has a tiny bug in it; perhaps foxlit or cladhaire would like to find it |
| 16:17.40 | cladhaire | what about a coroutine based iterator that returns a new permutation each time it's called. |
| 16:17.43 | cladhaire | wonder if that's any easier. |
| 16:17.59 | foxlit | cladhaire: you could just use getPerm? |
| 16:18.15 | foxlit | I wonder what chokes, however |
| 16:18.15 | cladhaire | its just a bunch of varibale names |
| 16:18.19 | foxlit | It could be that {...} |
| 16:18.20 | cladhaire | are you claiming there's code there? |
| 16:19.22 | jaxdahl2 | are you trying to generate a list of permutations? |
| 16:20.22 | cladhaire | I need to iterate all the permutations |
| 16:20.33 | Shirik | ah damn it |
| 16:20.37 | Shirik | found my problem |
| 16:21.02 | foxlit | What's your failing input, by the way? |
| 16:21.10 | Shirik | wow, this became so simple now that cladhaire release the restriction of duplicates |
| 16:21.20 | jaxdahl2 | ACE, ACF, ADE, ADF, BCE, BCF, BDE, BDF |
| 16:21.22 | cladhaire | an iterator is love |
| 16:21.22 | jaxdahl2 | there you go |
| 16:21.25 | cladhaire | ... |
| 16:21.27 | jaxdahl2 | ;P |
| 16:21.30 | cladhaire | awesome, garts |
| 16:21.32 | cladhaire | grats |
| 16:21.33 | Shirik | http://codepad.org/G9TRCgUM |
| 16:21.47 | Bouvi | Yeaaa my Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons shipped!!! From Atlanta too so should have it tomorrow or Thurs latest :D |
| 16:21.56 | Shirik | I could easily turn that into an iterator, btw, cladhaire |
| 16:22.06 | jaxdahl2 | http://projecteuler.net/ <-- you guys might enjoy this site |
| 16:22.07 | foxlit | http://codepad.org/erS1HEEo |
| 16:22.08 | cladhaire | Shirik: I'd appreciate that |
| 16:22.09 | Shirik | if you're willing to wrap it as a coroutine, that is |
| 16:22.15 | cladhaire | jaxdahl2: i'm very familiar with it |
| 16:22.18 | cladhaire | this prblem isn't on there |
| 16:22.26 | cladhaire | i know how to generate permutations ofa given number of tables |
| 16:22.29 | cladhaire | and hell, i know how to solve this |
| 16:22.33 | cladhaire | but i'm working on other parts of th addon |
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| 16:26.21 | cloudwolf | hmm |
| 16:26.51 | Shirik | uhhhh |
| 16:26.52 | cladhaire | lol |
| 16:26.54 | Shirik | correct me if I'm wrong |
| 16:27.01 | Shirik | coroutine.wrap() doesn't return a table.... ever |
| 16:27.02 | Shirik | right? |
| 16:27.07 | cladhaire | it shouldn't, no |
| 16:27.09 | Shirik | oh nm I see the problem |
| 16:27.09 | cladhaire | it returns a function |
| 16:28.10 | cloudwolf | I have a small question about the hud you know ifyou press V ingame you get a floating health bar over enemies can you immulate that and put different info on there or new info etc? |
| 16:29.06 | Shirik | cladhaire: http://codepad.org/jDNvyNKE |
| 16:29.24 | cladhaire | neat, i'll play with that :P |
| 16:29.26 | Shirik | coroutine.wrap(function() combination({"a", "b"}, {"c", "d"}, {"e", "f"}) end) is ugly though |
| 16:29.41 | cladhaire | yes, it is |
| 16:32.07 | jaxdahl2 | cloudwolf, i _think_ i've seen different art put in for the bars |
| 16:32.11 | jaxdahl2 | but i don't think much else can be done |
| 16:34.50 | cladhaire | Shirik: are you _storing_ all the combinations? |
| 16:34.52 | cladhaire | err permutations |
| 16:34.55 | cladhaire | as you iterate them? |
| 16:35.15 | Shirik | whoops |
| 16:35.17 | Shirik | you can take that out :D |
| 16:35.24 | Shirik | that's from the previous version where that was the goal |
| 16:35.48 | cladhaire | i hate reading other people's code |
| 16:35.49 | cladhaire | heh |
| 16:36.06 | foxlit | s/'s code// :) |
| 16:36.28 | cloudwolf | Thats what i thought kinda i was hoping to make a casting bar that would float over my head |
| 16:36.28 | Shirik | Try this again: http://codepad.org/eCgsuskP |
| 16:36.30 | foxlit | The amount of tables Shirik creates is scary :) |
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| 16:36.35 | Shirik | foxlit: I already mentioned that |
| 16:36.37 | Shirik | I hate this solution |
| 16:36.40 | Shirik | but it is a solution :P |
| 16:36.43 | cloudwolf | and wasnt just some hud element that was sattionary at mid on screen |
| 16:36.45 | jaxdahl2 | s/hate reading other people's code/like it when people put words in my mouth/ |
| 16:36.46 | Shirik | If this were for a real project I would spend a lot more time on it |
| 16:36.52 | Shirik | but I need to really be working on this sercom stuff |
| 16:38.02 | Shirik | I like my "try"..."finally" in the code, don't you? :D |
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| 16:38.31 | cladhaire | no |
| 16:38.33 | cladhaire | actually |
| 16:38.33 | Shirik | :< |
| 16:38.38 | cladhaire | foxlits is much easier to read :P |
| 16:38.43 | Shirik | ow |
| 16:38.45 | Shirik | that hurts |
| 16:38.46 | cladhaire | lol |
| 16:40.33 | Shirik | but yes, this is why quality code != rush to implementation while requirements are changing |
| 16:40.47 | Shirik | quality code == full lifecycle with inspection >.> |
| 16:41.46 | Pneumatus | nrgh, i cant get bloodcurse isle to reveal on my map |
| 16:41.56 | jaxdahl2 | what island is that? |
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| 16:42.21 | Pneumatus | the naga island east of bloodmyst isle |
| 16:42.28 | Pneumatus | south of the dragon island |
| 16:43.21 | Duman | naga, please! |
| 16:44.12 | jaxdahl2 | Pneumatus, i'm kind of lost |
| 16:44.15 | jaxdahl2 | what zone? |
| 16:44.20 | jaxdahl2 | i haven't had my caf fix yet |
| 16:44.30 | Pneumatus | bloodmyst isle, the 2nd draenai isle |
| 16:44.44 | cladhaire | oh |
| 16:44.44 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 16:44.47 | cladhaire | holy shit. |
| 16:44.48 | jaxdahl2 | you not get the achievement? |
| 16:44.54 | cladhaire | 36864000 permutations |
| 16:44.57 | Pneumatus | im trying to reveal it on live |
| 16:45.03 | Shirik | permutations or combinations? |
| 16:45.17 | jaxdahl2 | Pneumatus, not all areas need to be revealed |
| 16:45.17 | durcyn | Pneumatus: that one's buggy, but it's not required for the achievement fwiw |
| 16:45.18 | foxlit | Neither is really appliable to distinct sets, Shirik :) |
| 16:45.22 | cladhaire | foxlit's code, whichever that is :P |
| 16:45.28 | Shirik | Sure it is, foxlit |
| 16:45.29 | cladhaire | should be perms |
| 16:45.34 | Shirik | permutations of {1,2} is 1,2 and 2,1 |
| 16:45.35 | cladhaire | let me make this a limited example |
| 16:45.38 | Shirik | combinations of {1,2} is just 1,2 |
| 16:45.47 | foxlit | notice that {1,2} is a single set |
| 16:45.50 | Pneumatus | im just exploring on live to pre-achieve the achievements :) |
| 16:45.56 | Shirik | true |
| 16:46.17 | Shirik | for that matter, I should point out |
| 16:46.25 | Shirik | neither of our solutions gives permutations or combinations imho |
| 16:46.26 | jaxdahl2 | Pneumatus, easiest way is to log on both your live and beta char (if you have beta :p) and explore on both |
| 16:46.28 | foxlit | "Give me all the permutations of {1,2} {3, 4}:" isn't a question that's parsable :) |
| 16:46.40 | Pneumatus | how is that easier, its more like twice the work. |
| 16:46.42 | Shirik | yes, I agree |
| 16:46.45 | durcyn | Pneumatus: make sure you get that stupid hidden reef north of bloodcurse then. |
| 16:46.53 | foxlit | So yeah, I'm abusing that name |
| 16:47.01 | jaxdahl2 | there are 6 permutations of a 3 element set |
| 16:47.12 | Shirik | but yeah, cladhaire um |
| 16:47.13 | foxlit | It's really "ways to combine your tables into sets by picking different-index elements from each table" |
| 16:47.14 | Shirik | it's gonna be what |
| 16:47.17 | cladhaire | oh duh |
| 16:47.17 | Pneumatus | durcyn: the one on the east coast of Wyrmscar island? |
| 16:47.21 | cladhaire | i can make this problem even easier |
| 16:47.24 | cladhaire | i'm an idiot. |
| 16:47.33 | Bouvi | ID-10T error? |
| 16:47.40 | durcyn | Pneumatus: no, northeast bit of bloodmyst mainland |
| 16:47.42 | Shirik | i^j where i is the number of elements in each set, and j is the number of sets |
| 16:47.46 | Shirik | so it can skyrocket pretty quickly |
| 16:47.50 | Shirik | especially with large j |
| 16:47.50 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 16:47.53 | cladhaire | and i made it a lot easier |
| 16:47.53 | cladhaire | lol |
| 16:47.57 | cladhaire | won't work with sets |
| 16:47.58 | Pneumatus | ah, yeh i know the spot |
| 16:47.59 | cladhaire | but that's fine |
| 16:48.29 | Shirik | omg |
| 16:48.34 | Shirik | I just came up with a solution that's so much easier I think |
| 16:49.23 | Cide | hand it to someone else who knows what they're doin'! |
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| 16:50.07 | cladhaire | don't worry about it |
| 16:50.09 | cladhaire | i dont need it anymore :P |
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| 16:53.31 | Shirik | I don't care |
| 16:53.33 | Shirik | I need to see if this works |
| 16:53.39 | Shirik | because it's like a 300% improvement at least |
| 16:54.19 | Shirik | omg |
| 16:54.21 | Shirik | so much easier: http://codepad.org/5GvqdnOQ |
| 16:54.36 | Shirik | no recursion, no millions of tables (only one table per yield) |
| 16:54.55 | jaxdahl2 | that's the way to do it. |
| 16:55.51 | Shirik | and hell, if you want to assume that the user will keep discarding the table |
| 16:55.55 | Shirik | you don't even need to keep recreating it |
| 16:56.30 | ckknight | Shirik: couldn't you return a tuple? |
| 16:56.31 | jaxdahl2 | i wouldn't even have the function deal with the table |
| 16:56.38 | jaxdahl2 | just an array of indexes |
| 16:56.42 | zenzelezz | I'll recurse with you any day, Lopeppeppy |
| 16:56.44 | Shirik | that would be a pita to deal with in a for loop |
| 16:56.54 | ckknight | for a, b, c in blah |
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| 16:57.06 | Shirik | that assumes that blah has 3 elements |
| 16:57.10 | Shirik | what if you don't know? |
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| 16:58.24 | ckknight | Shirik: true, in that case, it becomes complicated |
| 17:00.21 | Shirik | Has anyone here ever used netbeans for C++? |
| 17:00.46 | zenzelezz | why would you want to do that? |
| 17:00.53 | Shirik | because I can't stand eclipse |
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| 17:01.09 | zenzelezz | that's fair enough... but why can't you use VC++? :-p |
| 17:01.16 | Shirik | Because it's not for Windows, it's for QNX |
| 17:01.28 | cncfanatics | does an event trigger when you logout ? |
| 17:01.29 | zenzelezz | ouch, fair enough |
| 17:01.47 | Shirik | I would love to use VC++ |
| 17:02.01 | Shirik | but I don't think it will like me (a) switching compilers, and if it does (b) trying to parse the error output |
| 17:02.05 | kd3 | well, it's 10 am blizz time |
| 17:02.14 | Shirik | cncfanatics: Yes |
| 17:02.16 | Shirik | two actually |
| 17:02.23 | Shirik | PLAYER_LOGOUT and PLAYER_LEAVING_WORLD |
| 17:03.30 | Shirik | everything I have always read has said if you need to save data before you exit, use PLAYER_LOGOUT |
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| 17:08.22 | NightHawkTheSane | http://notalwaysright.com/from-runaway-bride-to-ex-wife/1070 |
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| 17:13.05 | Pneumatus | whats the resistance cap at 70? 340 rings a bell, but im not sure |
| 17:13.14 | kd3 | 5*level |
| 17:13.24 | Shirik | 365 iirc |
| 17:13.42 | kd3 | ^. bosses are level 73. |
| 17:13.44 | Shirik | right |
| 17:13.49 | Shirik | I assumed he meant for a boss |
| 17:14.05 | Shirik | is what I get for raiding too much :( |
| 17:14.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought you got a general dislike of humanity for that.. |
| 17:14.49 | zenzelezz | no, that's the forums |
| 17:16.21 | Tem | I get a general dislike for fuck-for-brains players that can't do their jobs |
| 17:16.43 | Tem | like, honestly, teron gorefiend ghost mode isn't hard |
| 17:16.51 | Tem | you've had enough chances |
| 17:16.56 | Tem | die |
| 17:17.23 | Tem | also, vashj pisses me off |
| 17:17.30 | Tem | "I didn't notice that I had a tainted core" |
| 17:17.45 | sacarasc | vashj pisses me off more... still not killed her :( |
| 17:18.01 | jaxdahl2 | there is a vashj style fight in drak'tharon keep |
| 17:18.01 | zenzelezz | well it's not like it's a mobile fight Tem, so it makes sense people don't notice they can't move! |
| 17:18.19 | Tem | *strangle* |
| 17:18.24 | Pneumatus | what pisses me off more is ive killed kael but not vashj |
| 17:18.33 | Pneumatus | and im exalted with keepers |
| 17:19.18 | NightHawkTheSane | what pisses me off is being in a guild that could kill kael, vashj, and farm the fuck out of the first 4 bosess in hyjal, and yet still not down archi after some 200 attempts. stay out of the fire people, it's not goddamn rocket surgery. |
| 17:19.24 | jaxdahl2 | i have killed illidan and kalecgos, but i haven't killed archimonde, vashj, or kael (never seen 3 fights in SSC, never seen kael/astro/alar in TK) |
| 17:20.35 | Kirov | I've killed vashj, but only seen 4 of the bosses in SSC. |
| 17:20.46 | sacarasc | i've killed everyone up to (not including) vashj and kael, also first 2 in hyjal and 3 in bt :( |
| 17:21.02 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - There are guilds who are starting Kil'jaden who can't do Archi |
| 17:21.18 | Pneumatus | 4/5 5/8, cleared tk and done all of ssc except vashj |
| 17:21.31 | jaxdahl2 | show me a guild that has killed archimonde on the first attempt for a full month and i'll show you a guild that's lying |
| 17:21.45 | cog|work | So... there's a particular spyware remover that scans for things most others miss. its name starts with a C... anyone know what it is? |
| 17:21.51 | Pneumatus | i've not even attempted archi tho |
| 17:22.13 | sacarasc | never even got up to archi |
| 17:22.17 | Kirov | My current guild's guild leader is obsessed with downing Archi. |
| 17:22.30 | cbreak | archie isn't that bad |
| 17:22.45 | cbreak | I found vashj way harder (not that I killed her... :/ ) |
| 17:22.49 | Kirov | It's to the point were we've gone entire reset periods not doing BT because he's so obsessed with it. |
| 17:22.52 | jaxdahl2 | counterspy? |
| 17:22.54 | NightHawkTheSane | archi is a really easy fight, if you can just.. you know.. NOT DIE. |
| 17:23.05 | jaxdahl2 | the main ones i know of are spybot, hijackthis, ad-aware |
| 17:23.07 | Kirov | We clear the first 4 in Hyjal on Tuesday and spend the rest of the days wiping over and over and over |
| 17:23.13 | Maldivia | Anyone want to test an early version of a WotLK trade-link generator? |
| 17:23.40 | cbreak | what do people die to? |
| 17:23.44 | cog|work | it's a very specialized program. Runs in command line iirc |
| 17:23.50 | cog|work | only scans for certain ones |
| 17:23.55 | cbreak | the main problem we usually have is people dieing to gravity or fear in fire |
| 17:23.58 | Kirov | It's to the point that if he calls Archi again, half the raid group are going to drop raid tomorrow. |
| 17:24.40 | Gnarfoz | cog|work: stinger? |
| 17:24.51 | Gnarfoz | cog|work: ccleaner, also |
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| 17:25.24 | jaxdahl2 | cog|work, x-cleaner? |
| 17:25.48 | p3lim | wtb search function @ wowcompares.com |
| 17:25.54 | p3lim | anyone know where PowerBarColor is stated? |
| 17:25.59 | cog|work | nope |
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| 17:28.47 | Pelucheux | I just got Cosmos yesterday, and I really only needed it for the coords but the /tloc isn't working anymore, the coords are gone from under the minimap |
| 17:28.51 | kd3 | in wrath, it's in FrameXML/UnitFrame.lua |
| 17:47.28 | kd3 | hm... so it looks like tickets will be on sale at noon PDT |
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| 17:48.28 | Lunessa | ... station |
| 17:48.37 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10017&sid=1 |
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| 17:49.21 | kd3 | gah, we're gonna get nerfed for that |
| 17:49.34 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 17:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't even know what it's referencing |
| 17:49.36 | cloudwolf | does any one know a program that makes xml layouts visualy? |
| 17:49.38 | Lunessa | Primary Ranged magic DPS bitches. |
| 17:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | But when every single threat is saying the same thing I get curious |
| 17:50.09 | ScytheBlade1 | cloudwolf: like for WoW? So you can visualize the frames as you build them? Nothing (aside from WoW) |
| 17:50.09 | kd3 | that phrase is from the original wow manual |
| 17:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lmao |
| 17:50.20 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 17:50.20 | kd3 | think koraa said something to that effect recently in wrath-mage |
| 17:50.49 | Lopeppeppy | brb restart and meeting crap |
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| 17:50.57 | cloudwolf | scytheblade1: kinda what imeant so there are no programs that you can postition how you want the frame to look in that program and it converts the look into code? |
| 17:51.18 | ScytheBlade1 | no (at least not that I know of) |
| 17:52.47 | Lunessa | cloudwolf: XMLSpy has a visula editor. But it costs several hundred dollars. |
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| 17:53.26 | cloudwolf | well that sucks heh |
| 17:55.08 | Neo|Home | so TomTom on beta seems to work except the waypoint arrow always points right where I am |
| 17:56.20 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: yeah, I spent several minutes looking on wrath-mage for a corresponding post... and found nothing. Taken from the manual makes sense |
| 17:56.52 | cloudwolf | guess im going to have to learn xml now too considering xml if for visual interface >.> |
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| 17:57.29 | jaxdahl2 | i believe it's not 100% necessary to write XML to create visual stuff in game ? |
| 17:57.39 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 17:57.44 | nevcairiel | you can do it all with CreateFrame |
| 17:57.55 | jaxdahl2 | what's the advantage of xml then? |
| 17:58.03 | nevcairiel | personal preference |
| 17:58.11 | nevcairiel | some people can visualize frames better when doing it in xml |
| 17:58.18 | nevcairiel | also there are some tools to design the XML |
| 17:58.38 | cloudwolf | so you can basicaly create all the visual effects through lua also? |
| 17:58.45 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 17:58.55 | cloudwolf | alright then heh |
| 18:01.12 | ScytheBlade1 | What, the nerfed the penguins in the tundra |
| 18:01.40 | cloudwolf | how are you guys playin the wotl beta? |
| 18:01.48 | cloudwolf | is that the one you could sign up for on the website? |
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| 18:04.45 | cloudwolf | what woudl you recomend hacking world of warcraft or world of warcraft programming? |
| 18:05.01 | cloudwolf | im still pretty new to wow lua flavor |
| 18:05.14 | Lunessa | WoW Programming. The other book is mostly a reference about using AddOns. |
| 18:05.16 | ckknight | ~wowprogramming |
| 18:05.17 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 18:05.42 | Lunessa | Am I the only one who thinks this macro/thread is the most retarded shit ever for a hunter? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765582953&sid=1 |
| 18:06.41 | ckknight | it's important to have the game play for you rather than playing yourself, Lunessa |
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| 18:07.11 | Lunessa | ckknight: Totally. I mean how else can you spma 1 button while watching pr0n? |
| 18:07.13 | ckknight | who brainwashed purl? |
| 18:07.18 | ckknight | Fisker- has no friends. |
| 18:08.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ~onjoin Fisker- |
| 18:08.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmmm |
| 18:08.18 | ckknight | purl onjoin |
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| 18:10.51 | Duman | hmm |
| 18:11.04 | Duman | Update: 10:30 AM PDT - We.ve made significant progress throughout the morning on implementing optimizations for the BlizzCon ticket website to better handle the load of purchase requests. We.re continuing to work on these updates, and we currently estimate that tickets will be available for purchase again after 12:00PM PDT today. |
| 18:12.21 | cloudwolf | so is the wow programming book worth the 30 dollars it costs? |
| 18:13.04 | nevcairiel | yes it is :) |
| 18:14.13 | cloudwolf | how outdated is it thats kinda my question considering 2.4 and everything |
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| 18:14.44 | kd3 | the book was written for 2.4 iirc. the website's getting updated for wrath now as far as I know |
| 18:15.00 | cloudwolf | nice |
| 18:15.12 | Hirsute | Anyone here using irssi's proxy? (not at all related to the channel subject, but I thought I remembered people in here using irssi) |
| 18:15.14 | cog|work | 2.3 |
| 18:15.18 | cloudwolf | sad thign i i shoudl just wait for WOTLK to come out |
| 18:15.18 | nevcairiel | It was written with 2.3 iirc, however the only "big" change in 2.4 was the combatlog system, and you get all the new informations on the website anyway |
| 18:15.35 | cog|work | but there aren't any fundamental differences |
| 18:15.36 | nevcairiel | all the hard work cog|work put into the secure states chapters will go to waste in a few month |
| 18:16.11 | KarlKFI | the old secure states REQUIRED a book |
| 18:16.25 | KarlKFI | hopefully the new ones wil be easier |
| 18:16.28 | nevcairiel | i learned them without the book |
| 18:16.31 | Lunessa | Still, the book is a fabulous tutorial for the beginner. |
| 18:16.38 | nevcairiel | Definately |
| 18:16.41 | cog|work | nevcairiel: i welcome our new secure handler overlords :P |
| 18:17.05 | nevcairiel | That Draft2 that Iriel posted of his .pdf docs there already looked nice |
| 18:17.11 | Lunessa | Every day I pray that our Dark Overlord does not discover we're out of chocolate sprinkles. |
| 18:17.25 | KarlKFI | noes! not my sprinkles! |
| 18:17.29 | cog|work | and it's not a total loss... I did lose 10lbs cramming out those chapters with only 3-4 hrs of sleep for 2 weeks >< |
| 18:17.50 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: ping - want to pick your brain about BT3. |
| 18:18.14 | nevcairiel | I ignore BT3-related questsions, but go ahead =P |
| 18:18.27 | p3lim | is there some API or something to determine if an unit is an instance boss? |
| 18:18.40 | nevcairiel | UnitClassification |
| 18:18.43 | nevcairiel | == "worldboss" |
| 18:18.56 | p3lim | but doesnt that only count for big raid bosses? |
| 18:19.03 | p3lim | those with ?? levels |
| 18:19.06 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 18:19.15 | p3lim | i was thinking about 5man bosses aswell |
| 18:19.22 | nevcairiel | there is no way to figure out if that lvl 70 elite inf ront of you is a "boss" so to speak |
| 18:19.23 | p3lim | and instance bosses you can see the level of |
| 18:19.28 | kd3 | they're just named elites |
| 18:19.30 | cloudwolf | make a database of a bunch of generic names? |
| 18:19.33 | p3lim | yeah know |
| 18:19.37 | cloudwolf | and if its not a generic name its a boss or rare? |
| 18:19.39 | DARKGuy | hey nevcairiel, what about a BT4 question? :D |
| 18:19.47 | nevcairiel | wonder if it reports "rareelite" for them, but doubt it |
| 18:19.51 | p3lim | cloudwolf: bah, db |
| 18:19.58 | p3lim | nevcairiel: it doesnt |
| 18:19.59 | cloudwolf | hey its a solution : |
| 18:20.19 | p3lim | yeah i know its a solution.. sorta |
| 18:20.22 | KarlKFI | db isn't a solution. it's a nightmare. |
| 18:20.33 | Lunessa | If I want to add an attribute for buttons (add a target type on a modifier key) can I use the ActionBar class, or will I have to do "Button" ? I was skimming the code for BT3 for something and I'm looking for a simple way to pick up all the bars. |
| 18:20.36 | nevcairiel | Its the only nightmare/solution you will get |
| 18:20.36 | p3lim | could always ask blizzard to add that to some new API or UnitClassification |
| 18:20.53 | foxlit | what defines a boss for you? :) |
| 18:20.55 | kd3 | don't all of the wrath dungeon achievements have a list of bosses? |
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| 18:21.07 | nevcairiel | I think those are only "kill final boss" |
| 18:21.11 | Lunessa | KD3 they do. |
| 18:21.15 | p3lim | nevcairiel: they do |
| 18:21.24 | p3lim | all of them.. hm.. |
| 18:21.25 | kd3 | the pre-wrath dungeon achs are "kill final boss" |
| 18:21.29 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 18:22.05 | p3lim | reason is, I want to add percentage health values to any mob that is considered a boss in an instance |
| 18:22.27 | p3lim | ?? bosses, fair enough, but id like to count 5mans and non-?? bosses too |
| 18:23.28 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: for i = 1,120 in pairs(Bartender3.actionbuttons) do Bartender3.actionbuttons[i].object.frame:SetAttribute(...) end |
| 18:23.31 | Kirov | p3lim - count elites > 2 levels above you |
| 18:23.43 | nevcairiel | er |
| 18:23.43 | kd3 | yay for finding random low-level quests worth a ton city rep |
| 18:23.44 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: thanks. |
| 18:23.46 | nevcairiel | screwed up the for loop |
| 18:23.55 | nevcairiel | pairs and a i loop |
| 18:23.57 | nevcairiel | yay for me |
| 18:24.02 | nevcairiel | but you get what i mean :) |
| 18:24.07 | Lunessa | No worries, I got the idea. |
| 18:24.40 | p3lim | easy way to add /startattack to all buttons Lunessa? :p |
| 18:24.46 | Duman | heh |
| 18:25.20 | Lunessa | No, going to expand "ShiftFocus" to support Mouseover and BT3 . |
| 18:25.34 | p3lim | ah |
| 18:25.57 | Dashkal | kd3: Thanks for the dalaran map on wowwiki |
| 18:26.14 | Thunder_Child | hmm...is there going to be flying mounts in northrend? |
| 18:26.32 | Lunessa | And looking at the BT3 code showed me two possible ways to look at the attributes, but I wasn't positive. Not my code, and lots of stuff not clear to me from it. |
| 18:26.34 | kd3 | np |
| 18:26.37 | kd3 | tc; yes. 77 |
| 18:26.52 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Cold_Weather_Flying |
| 18:26.53 | nevcairiel | BT3 code is so stupid to work with now |
| 18:26.56 | Thunder_Child | ah, so they did change it, ok thanks kd3 |
| 18:27.42 | Lunessa | Yeah, but... it mostly works, and lots of people are using it. I just figured I'd hack this other AddOn to add the feature requested. |
| 18:27.45 | cloudwolf | is there a way to make this channel the defautl channel i join when i get on mirc? |
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| 18:28.06 | nevcairiel | set it in the perform in your settings |
| 18:28.10 | Thunder_Child | sell your soul to Cairenn and it will happen |
| 18:28.20 | AckisWork | cloudwolf: perform options, just add a /j #wowace to it |
| 18:28.23 | kd3 | mIRC's got an autojoin setting now doesn't it? |
| 18:30.24 | cloudwolf | perform options? where is that under? |
| 18:31.08 | cloudwolf | found |
| 18:32.09 | Lunessa | I can't sell my soul to Cairenn - she already has it under contract. I think she's sub-letting it. |
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| 18:33.07 | cloudwolf | cool ok got it to work |
| 18:33.31 | Maldivia | Cairenn: So, got your ticket? |
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| 18:33.37 | Cairenn | no >< |
| 18:33.52 | Maldivia | still not open? |
| 18:33.56 | Cairenn | newp |
| 18:33.59 | Duman | noon |
| 18:34.04 | Maldivia | noobs... :) |
| 18:34.05 | Esamynn | 26 minutes |
| 18:34.06 | Duman | or, so they claim :) |
| 18:34.08 | Maldivia | (Blizzard that is) |
| 18:34.12 | Duman | I'll be at lunch :( |
| 18:34.13 | Cairenn | aye |
| 18:34.38 | Bouvi | Oh great my book (world of warcraft programming) is shipping USPS and not UPS which means I might get it in a year or two. I could drive and get it in 3 hours lol. UPS would have it here tomorrow but USPS.. BLEH. |
| 18:34.49 | kd3 | <3 475 rep for flying back and forth between IF and thelsamar |
| 18:35.07 | Thunder_Child | more like fail rep |
| 18:35.08 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:35.24 | Maldivia | Cairenn: can I unload a proof of concept addon to wowinterface's wotlk category? |
| 18:35.29 | AckisWork | pfft you're a n00b for needing IF rep! |
| 18:35.36 | Cairenn | is it at all functional? |
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| 18:35.52 | Maldivia | Cairenn: yeah, it's just a simple addon to show how to create custom trade-links |
| 18:35.56 | Cairenn | go for it |
| 18:36.06 | kd3 | meh, I'm nearly done with IF. 20362/21k |
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| 18:36.10 | Cairenn | I figured it was, since you said it's a PoC |
| 18:36.13 | cloudwolf | i have a question instead of using a global veriable is there a way to save info to a .txt file? |
| 18:36.18 | Esamynn | Maldivia: you evil evil, link haxor! |
| 18:36.26 | Hirsute | cloudwolf: from within the game? |
| 18:36.28 | cloudwolf | like file.Write("what to write"/local variable)? |
| 18:36.32 | Maldivia | Esamynn: me... noo :) |
| 18:36.43 | Esamynn | cloudwolf: no, quite intentionally not |
| 18:36.46 | Maldivia | Esamynn: well, hadn't seen anyone post about it, so figured I'd make one :) |
| 18:36.48 | kd3 | no. all io ops have been disabled |
| 18:37.06 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
| 18:37.16 | cloudwolf | say i have local x and it = bob and now i make it says bob says hi so now x = bob says hi (from ingame this is) and i want it tos ave to a .txt file |
| 18:37.25 | cloudwolf | ty for the link kd3 |
| 18:37.40 | p3lim | kd3: got exalted with all main cities on 3 chars |
| 18:37.42 | p3lim | :) |
| 18:38.02 | p3lim | (yes, runecloth lol) |
| 18:38.03 | kd3 | meh, I only tried to get exalted with darn. gnomes on sabers are funny |
| 18:38.05 | Esamynn | then kd3 is very.... driven |
| 18:38.42 | kd3 | hit sw yesterday, should do if today... gnomer's gonna take a lot of runecloth, sigh |
| 18:38.45 | Esamynn | oh, p3lim, I misread what you said |
| 18:38.47 | Lunessa | cloudwolf: http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
| 18:38.55 | Esamynn | ~smack me |
| 18:38.56 | purl | ACTION smacks esamynn upside the head. |
| 18:38.57 | kd3 | slow lunessa is slow |
| 18:38.57 | Thunder_Child | well the SV file is a text file...... |
| 18:39.22 | Esamynn | I think someone should link http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions at cloudwolf again! :P |
| 18:39.27 | Esamynn | oh wait... |
| 18:39.34 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Esamynn |
| 18:39.34 | purl | cats /dev/urandom into Esamynn's ear |
| 18:39.43 | Esamynn | owe, that hurt! |
| 18:39.48 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Esamynn |
| 18:39.48 | purl | shoots Esamynn in the head |
| 18:39.53 | Thunder_Child | that hurt more |
| 18:39.59 | Esamynn | no, really didn't |
| 18:40.03 | Thunder_Child | ..... |
| 18:40.06 | p3lim | already got one in there |
| 18:40.06 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Esamynn |
| 18:40.06 | purl | Esamynn, you Fail! |
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| 18:40.21 | NightHawkTheSane | in case anyone's curious, a DK's runes don't actually have a type (GetRuneType(id)) at ADDON_LOADED |
| 18:40.27 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: getting shot in the head is very likely to not be at all painful, because you're just DEAD :P |
| 18:40.37 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, you can survive it |
| 18:40.44 | Lopeppeppy | Lots of peoples do |
| 18:40.47 | Thunder_Child | depending on where you get shot |
| 18:41.16 | Lopeppeppy | Like Kansas. I hear Kansas is good for that. |
| 18:41.33 | Thunder_Child | for getting shot in the head and surviving? |
| 18:41.37 | cloudwolf | yargh ok this is gona be hard for me then... |
| 18:41.57 | cloudwolf | trying to make kinda like an ingame notpad (im sure its been done) but still |
| 18:42.10 | ccox | Cairenn: I think the road trip would have been faster |
| 18:42.20 | Cairenn | ccox: me too at this point |
| 18:46.00 | Esamynn | hawt damn, they took out the Imp Totems talent and just made all friendly totems 30 yards, sweet |
| 18:47.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i know, and the talent they replaced it with is rather nice |
| 18:48.06 | cog|work | woot! msdn binder came |
| 18:48.19 | Esamynn | heh, I didn't even really look at the replacement, my shammy is enhancement, and this solved my problems with how to spec for raiding |
| 18:48.35 | Anaral | Woo hoo! Blizz restored my 'failed' character copy! |
| 18:48.37 | Esamynn | now I feel I can dip into the Elemental tree |
| 18:50.40 | Xuerian | Hahaha, someone made a TF2 scoreboard for wow... awesome. |
| 18:50.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Esamynn: yeah, with moving ele devestation to t2, ele is the clearly better secondary tree for enh now |
| 18:51.18 | Esamynn | I don't know about Elemental Devestation, but then my Shammy's crit rating is low |
| 18:51.28 | Esamynn | most of her crit chance comes from agil |
| 18:51.44 | NightHawkTheSane | true, but crit rating does apply to both melee & spells, so it'll get some benefit there. |
| 18:51.53 | Esamynn | with her current gear, I'd rather spec into Call of Flame |
| 18:51.55 | NightHawkTheSane | plus, i mean, it's 3 points in t2, why not? :P |
| 18:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | especially considering the extra melee crit will proc more shamanistic focus & maelstrom weapon |
| 18:52.59 | Esamynn | yah, maybe |
| 18:53.01 | Esamynn | I'll have to try it |
| 18:53.19 | Esamynn | I hope Maelstrom Weapon has gotten some work |
| 18:53.50 | Esamynn | it really felt like a bit of a let down when I was testing it, but then again, I only had whimpy mobs to work with |
| 18:54.14 | Esamynn | with only a 15s duration it's sorta crappy for soloing |
| 18:54.44 | Esamynn | given that only regular melee strikes were triggering it (I'm hoping that was a bug) |
| 18:54.45 | p3lim | coldarra just crashed? |
| 18:55.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder if/how shamanistic focus & elemental focus stack >.> |
| 18:56.05 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: free shocks! ;) |
| 18:56.14 | Esamynn | worth testing |
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| 18:56.48 | NightHawkTheSane | definitely |
| 18:57.24 | p3lim | haste: ping |
| 18:57.29 | haste | p3lim: pong |
| 18:57.54 | p3lim | haste: any chance you can add this change to the stable version? http://ixo.no/git/oUF.git/commit/?id=c0a7b61ebababdc385fe252114a257ab5985fdf1 |
| 18:58.08 | haste | no |
| 18:58.14 | p3lim | how come? |
| 18:58.24 | Dashkal | Ark' |
| 18:58.28 | Dashkal | Ark's been updated? sweet |
| 18:58.36 | haste | because it would break layou compat |
| 18:59.00 | haste | and the stable version is stable because it doesnt' break that |
| 18:59.10 | p3lim | to the stable oUF_Lily and oUF_Classic? |
| 18:59.38 | p3lim | well, when wrath and stable merges completely everyone must change that anyways |
| 18:59.57 | haste | yes, but that's when its suppose to break |
| 19:00.02 | p3lim | hm ok |
| 19:00.09 | haste | it won't be merged into stable before 1.1 is done |
| 19:00.12 | Cairenn | (so, who has the CS phone # handy?) |
| 19:00.43 | p3lim | ok haste, ill just make two layouts |
| 19:01.10 | haste | I would advice you not to do that |
| 19:01.16 | p3lim | oh? |
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| 19:01.28 | haste | master isn't done breaking stuff just yet |
| 19:01.36 | p3lim | np, i can just update |
| 19:02.03 | p3lim | its just local versions anyways, Im not planning to update on wowi just yet |
| 19:02.54 | cladhaire | DMCA takedown successful! |
| 19:03.03 | nevcairiel | Whole page? |
| 19:03.12 | cladhaire | no |
| 19:03.13 | haste | what now claddy :D ? |
| 19:03.14 | cladhaire | looks like we're all going to need to submit |
| 19:03.22 | cladhaire | but cairenn is posting my template along with the other information |
| 19:03.28 | cladhaire | but LH and TomTom have been taken down |
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| 19:03.49 | Bouvi | Woot! |
| 19:04.09 | nevcairiel | I would, if they would've stolen one of my addons |
| 19:04.23 | devXero | hey, trying to figure out how to capture just a quest accept, and a quest complete without having all the extra fires that QUEST_LOG_UPDATE or UNIT_QUEST_LOG_CHANGED has |
| 19:04.26 | nevcairiel | get tuller to do it, they host his whole suite =P |
| 19:04.26 | devXero | any ideas? |
| 19:04.32 | sioraiocht | what's a good instance at 26 to get shammy gear? |
| 19:04.36 | cladhaire | someone ping tuller for me :P |
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| 19:05.42 | nevcairiel | I dont think he cares much, though |
| 19:05.48 | cladhaire | he'll see it on wowi tho |
| 19:06.09 | DARKGuy | ~lart DARKGuy |
| 19:06.09 | purl | drops a baby grand on DARKGuy |
| 19:06.16 | DARKGuy | :( |
| 19:06.19 | DARKGuy | I want another one |
| 19:06.19 | DARKGuy | ~lart DARKGuy |
| 19:06.19 | purl | holds DARKGuy to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 19:06.23 | DARKGuy | :| |
| 19:06.36 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.38 | nevcairiel | lart yourself in whispers =P |
| 19:06.46 | Esamynn | haha |
| 19:06.49 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 19:06.52 | jaxdahl2 | what site are you sending dmca takedowns to? |
| 19:06.53 | DARKGuy | how :o |
| 19:07.07 | cladhaire | wowkon.com |
| 19:07.11 | cladhaire | they steal curses's news |
| 19:07.12 | cladhaire | our addons |
| 19:07.17 | cladhaire | with no credit to absoulutely anyone. |
| 19:07.28 | nevcairiel | that #1 source of addons hosts like 50 addons now |
| 19:07.32 | nevcairiel | probably even less |
| 19:07.33 | nevcairiel | i lol'ed |
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| 19:08.40 | Kraps | is BC supposed to d/l old patches? |
| 19:09.58 | devXero | meh... looks like I'm stuch w/ those two events |
| 19:10.03 | devXero | stuck* |
| 19:10.13 | jaxdahl2 | claidhaire, does it say somewhere in the lightheaded zip that you MUST not host it on other sites? |
| 19:10.21 | cog|work | jaxdahl2: that's irrelevant |
| 19:11.46 | End | legally, it's unauthorized distribution either way |
| 19:12.12 | Shirik | you know, dr. horrible needs a soundtrack |
| 19:12.14 | Shirik | I'd totally buy it |
| 19:12.15 | End | unless cladhaire said you could host it anywhere |
| 19:12.15 | Maldivia | unless explicitly stated it can be distributed, it's illegal to distribute |
| 19:12.24 | End | Shirik: indeed! |
| 19:12.26 | cladhaire | jaxdahl2: They are posting it under my name |
| 19:12.28 | cladhaire | err |
| 19:12.29 | cladhaire | without my name |
| 19:12.34 | Kraps | does anyone know the answer to my question? |
| 19:12.35 | cladhaire | that is a violation of almost every single license |
| 19:12.39 | cladhaire | i.e. its posted by Bagelz |
| 19:12.41 | cladhaire | my name is nowehere |
| 19:12.47 | cladhaire | and LightHeaded in particular they CANNOT re-post |
| 19:12.50 | cladhaire | TomTom is a different story |
| 19:12.51 | Maldivia | Shirik: it needs a second episode ! |
| 19:12.51 | jaxdahl2 | you don't seem to have a license attached to it |
| 19:12.55 | cladhaire | yes I do |
| 19:12.58 | cladhaire | not TomTom |
| 19:12.59 | cladhaire | err |
| 19:13.01 | cladhaire | not LightHeaded |
| 19:13.03 | cladhaire | its all rights reserved |
| 19:13.04 | Shirik | jaxdahl: Even if he didn't, there's an implicit copyright |
| 19:13.04 | kd3 | kraps; old patches? it'll only get the patches it needs to get patched to the latest version |
| 19:13.06 | cladhaire | TomTom has a license. |
| 19:13.11 | cladhaire | jaxdahl2: The point is |
| 19:13.19 | cladhaire | the bottom of EVERY SINGLE PAGE says (c) wowkon.com |
| 19:13.21 | cladhaire | they cannot do that |
| 19:13.23 | cladhaire | period |
| 19:13.50 | cladhaire | you can't claim you own copyright on my copyright |
| 19:13.52 | cladhaire | regardless of license |
| 19:14.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: it does. there's some mp3s floating around that people ripped from the movies, but meh.. not QUITE the same |
| 19:14.36 | Kraps | kd3: it looks like it needs to be separately patched |
| 19:14.39 | jaxdahl2 | good point |
| 19:15.04 | cog|work | jaxdahl2: copyright is automatic. If there's no license, then you have no rights. |
| 19:15.54 | cog|work | ("you" being anyone but the author) |
| 19:16.32 | Maldivia | uhh, Dr Horrible is still free to view... :) |
| 19:16.48 | jaxdahl2 | If i wanted to release something i make and let everyone have at it, i would need to say something like "I grant this to the public domain", correct? |
| 19:16.50 | |pez| | I'll be buying the Dr Horrible DVDs. |
| 19:16.52 | cladhaire | That site is the worst of all, stealing news from curse and addons from us.. claiming they own all of ti, and making money off it with gold ads. |
| 19:16.56 | Maldivia | pez: same :) |
| 19:17.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: erm, and? im not sure what that has to do with anything? |
| 19:17.50 | cog|work | jaxdahl2: right |
| 19:18.29 | Maldivia | NightHawk: it was just a delightful surprise to me, as it was stated it would only be free to view the week it was launched |
| 19:19.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: ahh, yeah.. free with ads on hulu, or pay for add-free on itunes. a nice surprise for sure :) |
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| 19:19.59 | Maldivia | NightHawk, hmm - I never have adds on hulu, except 10 seconds before |
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| 19:21.09 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, im pretty sure i saw ads between each act on hulu, but I wasn't paying close attention (it was a coworkers computer) |
| 19:22.21 | Industrial | Can't connect to host 'svn.wowinterface.com': No connection could be made |
| 19:22.25 | Industrial | because the target machine actively refused it. |
| 19:22.26 | Industrial | :S |
| 19:22.35 | nevcairiel | They dont want you there, Industrial |
| 19:22.53 | jaxdahl2 | you said there's a license attached to tomtom? i see lgpl with astrolabe |
| 19:23.14 | cladhaire | jaxdahl2: there was a license attached to an older version |
| 19:23.19 | End | It usually does ads on hulu |
| 19:23.35 | jaxdahl2 | is there a license out there tailored to wow addons? |
| 19:23.36 | cladhaire | but the newer version is reserved, for a number of reasons |
| 19:23.38 | End | I noticed on Dr. Horrible it doesn't in the act 1 -> act 2 transition though |
| 19:23.46 | cladhaire | no, we use a variety of license depending on needs |
| 19:23.54 | Shirik | End: I've seen it do them there |
| 19:24.00 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: any standard license should work well enough.. |
| 19:24.02 | kd3 | rofl at the store still being down |
| 19:24.06 | Shirik | It appears to do them at transitions when it feels you've "watched enough" |
| 19:24.10 | End | ah |
| 19:24.17 | NightHawkTheSane | End: i just looked now, and i got an ad at the beginning, and in act1->2 |
| 19:24.24 | End | I dunno |
| 19:24.32 | Shirik | I've seen it both do it and not do it |
| 19:24.33 | End | it's completely skipped doing ads from that transition for me |
| 19:24.35 | jaxdahl2 | there are tiny marks on the dr horrible timeline bar |
| 19:24.36 | End | yeah |
| 19:24.38 | jaxdahl2 | that mark where ads are |
| 19:24.40 | NightHawkTheSane | anyway |
| 19:24.47 | End | jaxdahl2: it doesn't always do ads there though |
| 19:24.47 | Shirik | that actually marks where the episode changes are jaxdahl :) |
| 19:24.51 | NightHawkTheSane | point being, the free hulu stream is ad supported. :P |
| 19:24.52 | jaxdahl2 | you can watch them all at the beginning, i think |
| 19:24.55 | Shirik | It just happens that ads are placed there occasionally |
| 19:24.59 | jaxdahl2 | then watch the whole thing ad free i believe |
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| 19:25.07 | jaxdahl2 | i may be wrong |
| 19:25.28 | WoWplayer | hey guys |
| 19:25.33 | jaxdahl2 | i was pleasantly surprised that it had subtitles |
| 19:25.42 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, WoWplayer |
| 19:25.47 | jaxdahl2 | i've been looking for a way to search for other things on hulu with subtitles |
| 19:25.49 | WoWplayer | i dunno if im in the right area, i picked up the channel from the natur combat development threat on wowinterface |
| 19:25.49 | NightHawkTheSane | it has subtitles? >.> |
| 19:25.51 | jaxdahl2 | (i'm deaf) |
| 19:25.55 | jaxdahl2 | yea, hit the CC button |
| 19:25.59 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, neat. |
| 19:26.15 | Lopeppeppy | Just ask your question, WoWplayer, if anyone can help we will. |
| 19:26.18 | jaxdahl2 | i know it's partially a musical, but i enjoyed it anyway |
| 19:26.36 | WoWplayer | i was curious if there are any plans to add banish/fear time tracker for natur beta3 |
| 19:26.53 | End | I usually dislike musicals |
| 19:26.57 | End | but I liked Dr. Horrible |
| 19:27.03 | Maldivia | love the song at the beginning of act 2 :) |
| 19:27.10 | NightHawkTheSane | jaxdahl: well, a big part of it is the actual words and visual jokes anyway. :) |
| 19:27.16 | nekoh | yea its the best <3 |
| 19:27.34 | jaxdahl2 | "the thoroughbred of sin?" |
| 19:27.35 | Lopeppeppy | WoWplayer, I don't see Beladona online, and he's the one who has been developing that lately. |
| 19:27.45 | Bouvi | cladhaire: I have a question... How in the world did you write a 1000+ page book? I would have gone insane. :) |
| 19:27.55 | End | maybe cladhaire is insane? |
| 19:28.00 | Maldivia | and NPH in the background handing out bowls of soup :) |
| 19:28.01 | cladhaire | we went insane |
| 19:28.08 | kd3 | "went"? |
| 19:28.09 | End | haha yeah |
| 19:28.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: or the fact that he |
| 19:28.29 | NightHawkTheSane | he's not ACTUALLY ladeling soup into the bowls? :P |
| 19:28.41 | Maldivia | yeah - and the fake moustache |
| 19:28.51 | NightHawkTheSane | cladhaire: that presupposes you weren't already? >.> |
| 19:29.12 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 19:29.12 | WoWplayer | i will have to check back later to find out |
| 19:29.13 | WoWplayer | ty! |
| 19:29.14 | cladhaire | who knows :P |
| 19:29.27 | Bouvi | I can read books but have tried to write a few based on wild ideas. Never pans out. Maybe I am too insane to make it work. Do you have to be normal first? |
| 19:31.17 | kd3 | whee. 3 of the 5 capital cities |
| 19:32.37 | End | I forget, what race are you? a gnome? |
| 19:32.42 | kd3 | yup |
| 19:32.54 | End | for exodar, do lowbie quests |
| 19:33.02 | End | for gnomer, you probably did them all already :-/ |
| 19:33.09 | End | it'll bring you much closer |
| 19:33.29 | kd3 | I did them all afaik... my beta copy doesn't have the gnomer achievement, so I'm not sure |
| 19:33.35 | Lopeppeppy | I got Gnomer from running Battlegrounds I think. |
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| 19:33.55 | Cairenn | re Wowkon: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=98726#post98726 |
| 19:33.55 | End | from running...AV? |
| 19:38.28 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, I bet someone already said this, but that name is just one letter off. Just switch the "k" for a "c" ... |
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| 19:39.13 | jaxdahl2 | what name? |
| 19:39.18 | AckisWork | I wonder if I should be happy my mods aren't there, or offended? |
| 19:40.19 | nevcairiel | Cairenn: i think its funny that someone mis-spelled DMCA as DCMA in the header of the template .doc :) |
| 19:40.59 | cladhaire | heh |
| 19:40.59 | End | cladhaire fails at spelling? |
| 19:41.01 | cladhaire | easily fixed |
| 19:41.04 | cladhaire | no, i didn't make that part |
| 19:41.07 | End | oh |
| 19:41.15 | End | someone else fails? |
| 19:41.30 | Kirkburn | What, you're taking cladhaire's word for it? :P |
| 19:41.30 | nevcairiel | isnt DMCA a US thing only? |
| 19:41.58 | Kirkburn | Their server is in the US |
| 19:42.04 | Shirik|AFK | Aside from that |
| 19:42.10 | Kirkburn | So says the little flag on my firefox window :P |
| 19:42.11 | Shirik|AFK | DMCA is actually implementation of an international treaty |
| 19:42.11 | Dashkal | and your copyright counts in the states |
| 19:42.15 | End | other countries may have similar procedures...it's really just a threat of legal action, but US law gives requires it be handled in a specific way |
| 19:42.28 | Hirsute | clad: Interesting that they not only banned you, but had you as saying that "Lightheaded is a trash addon" |
| 19:42.28 | End | s/gives // |
| 19:42.52 | Cairenn | and anyone who thinks that governments that don't uphold each others' copyright laws is stupid :p |
| 19:42.58 | Shirik|AFK | US law doesn't really allow treaties to do anything :P Congress still has to approve it (iirc). Thus we see DMCA :) |
| 19:43.10 | Shirik|AFK | Cairenn: Especially because if people don't listen to us, we bomb them |
| 19:43.23 | cladhaire | Hirsute: yep |
| 19:43.23 | cog|work | cladhaire: wow... "LightHeaded is a trash addon" :S |
| 19:43.24 | nevcairiel | Yeah and that turns out pretty effective <.< |
| 19:43.26 | jaxdahl2 | does that mean we are going to bomb russia? |
| 19:43.27 | cladhaire | Quite nasty there |
| 19:43.35 | cog|work | what did your post say before that? >< |
| 19:43.40 | cladhaire | I have no idea |
| 19:43.41 | cladhaire | at this point |
| 19:43.43 | Shirik|AFK | jaxdahl: I wouldn't be surprised if Bush bombed russia before he left |
| 19:43.43 | cladhaire | I made quite a few posts. |
| 19:43.45 | Shirik|AFK | just because he can |
| 19:44.12 | cladhaire | Hrm |
| 19:44.17 | cladhaire | Bagelz is on curseforge: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/cartographer-gold-pack/ |
| 19:44.35 | cladhaire | Bagelz being the admin on wowkon |
| 19:44.51 | Hirsute | I also love that their ToU indicates that no one is allowed to post copyrighted material that they don't own the copyright for. |
| 19:44.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Zifnab (n=zifnab06@98.104.171.111) |
| 19:44.53 | Maldivia | lol... that gives snail mail a new definition: http://www.core77.com/blog/technology/real_snail_mail_a_slow_art_project_10396.asp |
| 19:45.20 | Shirik|AFK | AAH! |
| 19:45.22 | Shirik|AFK | that's so not cool! |
| 19:45.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (n=Yssaril@adsl-99-141-137-87.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:45.44 | End | haha |
| 19:45.47 | ckknight | cladhaire: where is wowkon based? |
| 19:45.53 | cladhaire | no idea |
| 19:45.55 | cladhaire | they're hosted in texas |
| 19:45.57 | End | "his average delivery time is 1.96 days" |
| 19:45.58 | cladhaire | by hostgator |
| 19:46.04 | cladhaire | on theplanet's backbone |
| 19:46.08 | AckisWork | Be among the first to create and order a custom guild shirt from Warcraft.SwagDog.com and have it in time to wear to BlizzCon 2008! The site will be live shortly and BlizzCon attendees get the first chance to purchase! |
| 19:46.09 | Shirik|AFK | qqqq: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/163e84ef09fa1040744f88e1397fea06.jpg |
| 19:46.11 | AckisWork | yay |
| 19:46.28 | AckisWork | 2 BlizzCon Ticket(s) Purchased |
| 19:46.31 | Shirik|AFK | yey |
| 19:46.34 | cladhaire | grats AckisWork |
| 19:46.41 | AckisWork | victory is MINE!1 ahahah |
| 19:46.43 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, your files need therapies. |
| 19:46.44 | Shirik|AFK | they're still in stock? |
| 19:46.47 | jaxdahl2 | US government DMCA site has their agent listed as legal-response@theplanet.com whereas theplanet.com's DMCA pdf page has it listed as copyright@theplanet.com but i guess your request worked anyway cladhaire |
| 19:47.01 | cladhaire | legal-response is who responded to me |
| 19:47.05 | cladhaire | I went through the correct channels :P |
| 19:47.06 | Cairenn | rofl @ snails |
| 19:47.11 | |pez| | I hate snails |
| 19:47.13 | |pez| | they're icky |
| 19:47.18 | cladhaire | hostgator only allows for actual mail |
| 19:47.18 | DARKGuy | Damn |
| 19:47.19 | DARKGuy | I hate purl |
| 19:47.26 | DARKGuy | it doesn't want to join my channel :( |
| 19:47.31 | AckisWork | http://warcraft.swagdog.com/BlizzCon |
| 19:47.33 | Kirkburn | ~comfort purl |
| 19:47.33 | purl | There, there, purl. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:47.52 | Kirkburn | DARKGuy, might be in too many channels already |
| 19:48.04 | DARKGuy | Kirkburn, nah, really? |
| 19:48.07 | DARKGuy | it says... |
| 19:48.08 | DARKGuy | <purl> i've cached 4883 users, 3506 unique users, distributed over 95 channels. |
| 19:48.08 | DARKGuy | <DARKGuy> join #iteam |
| 19:48.08 | DARKGuy | <purl> I am not allowed to join #iteam. |
| 19:48.08 | DARKGuy | <DARKGuy> why? |
| 19:48.08 | DARKGuy | <purl> Why? Because you touch yourself at night. |
| 19:48.15 | DARKGuy | he's mean |
| 19:48.25 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 19:48.34 | AckisWork | DARKGuy: you know what to do right? |
| 19:48.34 | Kirkburn | Contact the owner :P |
| 19:48.39 | Duman | hmm |
| 19:48.43 | Cairenn | wooohoooo! ticket! |
| 19:48.44 | DARKGuy | AckisWork, no :'( |
| 19:48.44 | Duman | blizz store working yet? |
| 19:48.48 | Duman | oh snap I guess so |
| 19:48.50 | DARKGuy | Kirkburn, yeah :p |
| 19:48.52 | Kirkburn | Stop touching himself at night, Ackis? |
| 19:49.01 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 19:49.01 | AckisWork | no he likes that |
| 19:49.06 | ckknight | DARKGuy: just send a botmail to TimRiker |
| 19:49.11 | DARKGuy | :O how do you -know- :O |
| 19:49.18 | DARKGuy | ckknight, oh really? o.o |
| 19:49.28 | Bouvi | WOW that is a LOOOONNNNGGGG read. Ninja squad time. Our organization has over 200 schools through the country and in Canada. Give us an address we will pay a visit. |
| 19:49.28 | ckknight | yea, that's how I got purl into other channels |
| 19:49.43 | nevcairiel | DARKGuy: you cannot randomly make it join channels, only the admin can :) |
| 19:50.20 | DARKGuy | ckknight, nevcairiel: Oh I see... x) well, I'll do that, thanks XD |
| 19:50.37 | Duman | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 19:50.43 | Duman | *shakefist* Cairenn |
| 19:50.43 | Duman | The site is down for maintenance. |
| 19:50.46 | Kirkburn | well, afaik, it has an allowed list. You can request it to joined channels on that list. |
| 19:50.58 | cog|work | Duman: refresh |
| 19:51.04 | *** join/#wowuidev sacarasc (i=sacarasc@cpc1-kemp3-0-0-cust978.lutn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:51.06 | Duman | pounding F5 |
| 19:51.27 | End | maybe Duman just made it go down |
| 19:51.33 | End | ~blame Duman |
| 19:51.33 | purl | ACTION blames Duman (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 19:51.34 | Duman | getting XSL errors, or the SCV |
| 19:51.51 | Esamynn | purl, I hate you |
| 19:51.52 | purl | You hate you? |
| 19:51.53 | Xuerian | Cairenn: I'm hurt, they didn't knock off my mods |
| 19:52.03 | Cairenn | Xuerian: sorry |
| 19:52.11 | Esamynn | Xuerian: say what? |
| 19:52.14 | AckisWork | Xuerian: same here lol |
| 19:52.19 | Xuerian | lol |
| 19:52.22 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 19:53.19 | Duman | blizzard hates me :( |
| 19:53.22 | Duman | (still) |
| 19:53.22 | Fisker- | no |
| 19:53.22 | Duman | ;) |
| 19:53.23 | Fisker- | i hate you |
| 19:54.36 | Esamynn | Duman: good, we didn't want to see you at BlizzCon anyway :P |
| 19:55.48 | AckisWork | http://forums.wowkon.com/rush-hour/137-official-blacklist.html |
| 19:56.39 | Esamynn | ... |
| 19:57.01 | *** join/#wowuidev nobin (n=nobin@155.31.170.201) |
| 19:57.11 | Esamynn | that site is still alive?!?!?! |
| 19:57.13 | cladhaire | AckisWork: lol |
| 19:57.20 | cladhaire | Esamynn: see http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17679 |
| 19:57.24 | Cairenn | I can't see it, I'm banned |
| 19:57.27 | Cairenn | Ackis |
| 19:57.34 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Clean cookies? |
| 19:57.36 | cladhaire | Cairenn: log out? |
| 19:57.37 | cladhaire | :P |
| 19:57.42 | Cairenn | IP ban :p |
| 19:57.49 | Xuerian | bahaha |
| 19:57.49 | Josh_Borke | ~lart cladhaire |
| 19:57.49 | purl | resizes cladhaire's terminal to 40x24 |
| 19:57.52 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, you're my hero. |
| 19:57.52 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 19:57.53 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 19:57.55 | Lunessa | http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q297/Leash34/1161733719406gs9.jpg |
| 19:58.21 | AckisWork | Cairenn: basically a black list of people on his server |
| 19:58.28 | AckisWork | it lists his server and guild however |
| 19:58.39 | AckisWork | his = bagelz |
| 19:58.40 | End | you know that penguins and polar bears...nevermind |
| 19:58.54 | cladhaire | lol |
| 19:59.08 | Esamynn | End: yah, you be quiet :P |
| 19:59.10 | kd3 | rofl. I can't get past the tickets legal stage |
| 19:59.12 | End | :P |
| 19:59.13 | Dashkal | I haven't seen many penguins with cymbals either |
| 19:59.33 | Esamynn | ~gag Dashkal |
| 19:59.34 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of Dashkal and, as an additional precaution, sews Dashkal's mouth shut permanently... |
| 19:59.40 | Duman | WHAT |
| 19:59.41 | Duman | Quantity:12345Sold Out |
| 19:59.43 | Duman | !?@?!@ |
| 19:59.49 | Esamynn | O_O |
| 19:59.49 | Duman | are you fucking kidding me |
| 19:59.59 | End | Is it both 12345 and Soul Out? |
| 20:00.08 | End | or is it a strange new number I don't know about |
| 20:00.12 | End | and also, soul = sold |
| 20:00.25 | AckisWork | Cairenn: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93629 |
| 20:00.54 | DARKGuy | ckknight, hey, by botmail you mean sending a memo... or what? I'm kinda confused ^_^;; |
| 20:01.17 | Josh_Borke | ~botmail |
| 20:01.19 | ckknight | do like ~botmail to TimRiker: O hai, I want purl in mah channel #blah |
| 20:01.23 | DARKGuy | oh. |
| 20:01.26 | Duman | http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100000202 |
| 20:01.31 | Duman | says "Sold Out" for me |
| 20:01.37 | Duman | that can't possibly be right |
| 20:01.40 | Duman | if so, I will kill people |
| 20:01.43 | DARKGuy | ah with the same purl, well thanks ckknight :D |
| 20:01.46 | Esamynn | same for me Duman |
| 20:03.15 | zenzelezz | for crying out loud, I hate this about crime shows... "as you know, all X have a unique signature"/"everyone has a X, as unique as DNA"/similar... try something new for once |
| 20:04.07 | DARKGuy | an IP address. |
| 20:04.13 | End | and then...they find identical twins! |
| 20:04.16 | Xuerian | zenzelezz: After CSI 1, it was all a repeat |
| 20:04.28 | jaxdahl2 | and actually |
| 20:04.42 | jaxdahl2 | two biologically different people can have the same dna signature |
| 20:04.54 | Lopeppeppy | And don't forget chimera |
| 20:04.57 | jaxdahl2 | they don't compare very many different points in the dna |
| 20:04.58 | p3lim | anyone here mind replying on an US topic for me? I cant reply to those forums cause i play on EU |
| 20:05.04 | End | yeah, I suppose that's true |
| 20:05.06 | Lunessa | Because everyone needs to know... http://thesuperficial.com/fastsearch?tag=alison%20carroll |
| 20:05.31 | zenzelezz | I approve |
| 20:05.38 | p3lim | anyone? its just a few lines |
| 20:06.12 | Xuerian | p3lim: Sure, what? |
| 20:06.18 | p3lim | Xuerian: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=46E16D6A99FD9FAAAA08144AAAD7A433.app05_05?topicId=8765569716&sid=1 |
| 20:06.29 | Duman | eew, sessionid |
| 20:06.31 | Duman | ;) |
| 20:06.34 | p3lim | Xuerian: "pChat, pTags and pUF is disbanded by the author" |
| 20:06.45 | p3lim | thanks :) |
| 20:06.49 | jaxdahl2 | abandoned |
| 20:07.52 | Xuerian | p3lim: done |
| 20:07.59 | p3lim | Xinhuan: :) |
| 20:08.04 | *** join/#wowuidev ecstasia (n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia) |
| 20:08.28 | Xuerian | Xinhuan: Why do you get the thanks, you rich gnome bastard |
| 20:08.36 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:09.10 | End | Xinhuan is a gnome? |
| 20:09.31 | Duman | this "sold out" crap has got to be a joke |
| 20:09.40 | Xuerian | A rich gnome. |
| 20:09.41 | End | I mean, I took the rich bastard part as understood, but I had no idea he was a gnome! |
| 20:09.58 | Xuerian | :P |
| 20:10.02 | zenzelezz | End: maybe he's the bastard human child of a gnome couple |
| 20:10.11 | End | could be... |
| 20:10.21 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, Peppy has a human son.... |
| 20:10.41 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: don't look at me, I always use protection |
| 20:10.47 | zenzelezz | heck, I'm protection spec |
| 20:10.50 | End | haha |
| 20:11.32 | Lopeppeppy | So is he. :P |
| 20:11.32 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: So, when she says "My, you're a tall one!" She doesn't mean height? |
| 20:11.39 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa! *poke* |
| 20:11.50 | nevcairiel | protection spec = infertile? *runs* |
| 20:12.22 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: you try having metal grinding against your crotch all day |
| 20:12.23 | Duman | this can't be right... |
| 20:12.25 | Duman | I had 3 in my cart |
| 20:12.27 | Duman | went to check out |
| 20:12.34 | Duman | and it kicked me back to the main page saying sold out |
| 20:12.36 | Duman | wtf is that |
| 20:12.47 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: i wouldnt know, i wear smooth leather, or a fur .. or well, somtimes a bark |
| 20:13.45 | Xuerian | ... |
| 20:14.00 | Xuerian | Mm. Leather on fur. |
| 20:15.27 | AckisWork | "A guildie just got off the phone with a customer service rep. The rep seemed skeptical that tickets were already sold out, said that something is probably wrong with the store and to keep an eye on the forum for updates. " |
| 20:15.34 | Duman | yeah just saw taht |
| 20:15.37 | Esamynn | Duman: not sold out anymore |
| 20:16.10 | Duman | hmm still says sold out on my page |
| 20:16.28 | Lopeppeppy | Cookies? |
| 20:16.48 | Duman | there we go |
| 20:16.50 | *** join/#wowuidev TS|Skrom_ (n=TS|Skrom@mail.shippingu.com) |
| 20:16.57 | *** part/#wowuidev TS|Skrom_ (n=TS|Skrom@mail.shippingu.com) |
| 20:17.25 | Duman | uh |
| 20:17.28 | Duman | went to check out |
| 20:17.32 | Duman | accepted agreement |
| 20:17.37 | Duman | kicked back to main page w/ empty cart |
| 20:19.06 | kd3 | meh. the xslt is broken |
| 20:19.11 | kd3 | fx keeps showing half the page |
| 20:19.16 | Duman | There has been an error processing your request. |
| 20:19.17 | Duman | wtf |
| 20:19.38 | Esamynn | try again |
| 20:20.04 | Cairenn | guys, this is what a phone rep just told me: " At this time we cannot confirmt he Sold Out message is correct but as soon as we get an update we will update the web page. We are working to keep the website as up to date as possible and to keep an eye on it for ticket status." |
| 20:21.28 | kd3 | so uh... anyone get the feeling that there's going to be a lot of unhappy campers about this? |
| 20:21.38 | Duman | The availability of one or more products in your cart have changed while you were shopping. |
| 20:21.44 | Duman | ?!@#@(*!&#@( |
| 20:22.05 | Lopeppeppy | kd3: Yes |
| 20:22.21 | nevcairiel | Duman: shop faster! |
| 20:22.39 | Lunessa | kd3: I get the feeling that there will be much unhappiness. |
| 20:23.00 | Cairenn | (2008-08-12 16:19:32) KarlKFI: only says sold out if logged in |
| 20:23.00 | Cairenn | (2008-08-12 16:20:01) KarlKFI: log out and go to checkout then log in when it asks |
| 20:23.38 | Cairenn | just keep trying guys |
| 20:23.43 | kd3 | damn it firefox, stop bitching about the stylesheet |
| 20:23.48 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:24.33 | Duman | sigh |
| 20:26.43 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.30.131) |
| 20:28.26 | Kraps | who pulled the font from CF2? |
| 20:28.49 | Arrowmaster | lol i just took a look over at wowkon since ackis posted a new link to it, when did they delete the 'remove my addons' posts and ban everybody? |
| 20:28.56 | Duman | man... they taunt me |
| 20:29.06 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: a while ago |
| 20:29.08 | Duman | I got to the last step (entered all CC info etc) and it errored out |
| 20:29.13 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17679 |
| 20:29.20 | Cairenn | Duman: :( |
| 20:29.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Sastopher (n=chatzill@c-24-16-122-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 20:29.28 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: the link was for you |
| 20:29.39 | Arrowmaster | hope clad has some fun with their isp and his c&d's |
| 20:29.50 | Cairenn | they removed his two mods |
| 20:29.56 | Cairenn | but everything else is still there |
| 20:31.07 | Duman | ARHKSAHKJASFD |
| 20:31.07 | Duman | There has been an error processing your request. |
| 20:31.08 | Duman | again |
| 20:31.18 | Xuerian | Duman: GIVE UP |
| 20:31.20 | Xuerian | FAIL |
| 20:31.22 | Cairenn | just keep trying |
| 20:31.39 | jaxdahl2 | the blizzard account i created for beta should work for the store, right? |
| 20:31.53 | Gnarfoz | it says right on the page where you create it |
| 20:31.55 | Gnarfoz | that it doesn't |
| 20:31.59 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 20:32.11 | Duman | if it's a "temp blizzard account", it won't work for the store |
| 20:32.14 | Cairenn | if you get "xslt error" but look at the ... jax, no .... address bar and it says "success", you got it anyway, go check your email |
| 20:32.39 | Duman | NOOO I GOT MURLOCED |
| 20:32.45 | Cairenn | refresh |
| 20:32.57 | Cairenn | just keep trying |
| 20:32.57 | Duman | I am :) |
| 20:33.05 | Gnarfoz | I got murloced means I got an sms, for me :p |
| 20:33.17 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/461/ - so full of win. |
| 20:34.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Nargiddley (n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 20:34.30 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight (n=ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 20:34.30 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 20:35.52 | Neuro_Medivh | lol... so that wowkon site seems to be taking only the high traffic mods? |
| 20:36.21 | selckin | just start the rumour they are keyloggers inside |
| 20:36.34 | Esamynn | heheh |
| 20:36.43 | Neuro_Medivh | it's not a rumor, their site has keyloggers and hacks all inside it |
| 20:37.00 | Cairenn | Lunessa: rofl |
| 20:37.01 | Neuro_Medivh | getting an addon from there is playing russian roulette with your account |
| 20:37.03 | selckin | probably, i'm not checking it out |
| 20:37.24 | AckisWork | Gnarfoz: your sms = murloc sound? |
| 20:37.28 | Esamynn | nope nope, I'll stick with good ole Wowi thanks |
| 20:37.44 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: yup. :> |
| 20:37.50 | Gnarfoz | murloc aggro => sms :D |
| 20:37.51 | Lunessa | *shudder* that site = terribad. |
| 20:37.51 | AckisWork | oh God that is so win |
| 20:37.59 | AckisWork | how the hell do you do that? |
| 20:38.12 | Esamynn | Gnarfoz: lol |
| 20:38.30 | Cairenn | I have the baby murloc as my ringtone |
| 20:38.34 | Gnarfoz | extract it, make a mp3 out of it for space saving (not that it's big in the first place), put it on my phone? :> |
| 20:38.50 | Gnarfoz | that might be even better, Cairenn :D |
| 20:38.57 | Cairenn | it's hilarious |
| 20:38.58 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, looking at their forums, the only person who visits there is called Bagelz. I think he doubled his page views today |
| 20:38.59 | Esamynn | my stupid phone doesn't support adding random sound files as ring tones |
| 20:39.05 | Cairenn | I have the other one as well, but I like the baby murloc |
| 20:39.08 | Esamynn | just sound files that are in the "Voice Memos" app :( |
| 20:39.31 | Lunessa | I have the Murloc sound set as a ring-tone. It's assigned to my younger brother. |
| 20:39.38 | Esamynn | HAHA |
| 20:39.43 | Duman | horse balls! |
| 20:39.44 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: heh, people-specific ring tones are win |
| 20:39.45 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 20:39.47 | Duman | I want my damn ticket |
| 20:39.49 | Duman | why is this so hard |
| 20:39.51 | DARKGuy | Yeeey |
| 20:39.56 | DARKGuy | I got purl in my channel now :3 |
| 20:40.04 | AckisWork | baby murloc? |
| 20:40.09 | DARKGuy | no, ibot |
| 20:40.10 | Esamynn | DARKGuy: you poor, poor soul |
| 20:40.11 | DARKGuy | o.o |
| 20:40.19 | DARKGuy | lol Esamynn |
| 20:40.22 | AckisWork | not... murky? |
| 20:40.27 | Cairenn | yup yup |
| 20:40.32 | AckisWork | :( |
| 20:40.46 | Gnarfoz | I should so extract the entire samples folder and skip through it to find something even more awesome than MurlocAggro.wav ;> |
| 20:41.06 | Duman | lol |
| 20:41.12 | Duman | trunk dialing into blizz 800 number is full |
| 20:41.30 | Gnarfoz | ... your telephone network fails? |
| 20:41.31 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:41.35 | Duman | oh shit |
| 20:41.46 | Duman | I think the charges were going thru |
| 20:41.49 | Duman | amex just called me |
| 20:41.56 | Esamynn | HAHA |
| 20:41.59 | Duman | saying they detected fraud attempts (multiple transactions) |
| 20:42.00 | AckisWork | lol |
| 20:42.08 | Gnarfoz | ~fail duman |
| 20:42.09 | purl | duman, you Fail! |
| 20:42.15 | Gnarfoz | (that was perfectly appropriate :D) |
| 20:42.23 | Duman | haha |
| 20:42.45 | Cairenn | omg |
| 20:43.03 | AckisWork | that's probably why they sold out lol |
| 20:43.09 | Esamynn | Duman: you HORDING ASSHAT! :OP |
| 20:43.10 | Cairenn | I told you to check your email! |
| 20:43.11 | Esamynn | :P |
| 20:43.17 | Duman | 08/12/08$300 VIVENDI UNIVERSAL INC |
| 20:43.19 | Duman | lol |
| 20:43.28 | Duman | they blocked it |
| 20:43.28 | Duman | assholes |
| 20:43.30 | Cairenn | oh shit |
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| 20:44.26 | jaxdahl2 | shouldn't they have limited it to 4 per credit card or something like that anyway? |
| 20:44.30 | Cairenn | 5 |
| 20:44.34 | Cairenn | per account |
| 20:44.54 | Esamynn | and per credit card |
| 20:45.06 | Cairenn | is it per card as well? I don't recall |
| 20:45.13 | Esamynn | I'm pretty sure |
| 20:45.13 | Lunessa | Cairenn: the baby murlocs would make good plushies. |
| 20:45.16 | Duman | GAH |
| 20:45.20 | Duman | god damn amex |
| 20:45.25 | Cairenn | Lunessa: someone's made them |
| 20:45.28 | Duman | "you'll have to attempt one more time" |
| 20:45.30 | Cairenn | I think |
| 20:45.31 | AckisWork | you your are notduman |
| 20:45.32 | Lunessa | Baby murlocs? |
| 20:45.34 | AckisWork | hehe |
| 20:45.39 | Duman | fuck 'em, I'll use my mastercard this time |
| 20:45.53 | Duman | assuming I can ever try again |
| 20:46.21 | Esamynn | Duman: enter the card info into your account while you wait |
| 20:46.32 | Duman | yeah, done :) |
| 20:46.55 | Duman | altho amex assured me they will not reject any more attempts on my card from vivendi |
| 20:47.04 | Duman | so we'll see |
| 20:48.20 | p3lim | I should really get a new font... |
| 20:48.25 | p3lim | Anyone got some suggestions? |
| 20:49.08 | p3lim | Preferred something thats easy on the eyes and have some sort of thin outline |
| 20:49.22 | AckisWork | ariel? |
| 20:49.24 | AckisWork | :P |
| 20:49.36 | NightHawkTheSane | DOWN WITH ARIEL! HELVETICA FOREVER! |
| 20:50.04 | Gnarfoz | ariel futur? :< |
| 20:50.04 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 20:50.09 | Esamynn | ~lart NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:50.09 | purl | does a little 'renice 20 -u NightHawkTheSane' |
| 20:50.16 | Esamynn | purl, you win |
| 20:50.17 | purl | of course I do! You looser!!! |
| 20:50.28 | NightHawkTheSane | pffft. Helvetica > Ariel. :P |
| 20:50.35 | Neuro_Medivh | isn't Helvetica the "Diablo" font? Or is that Exocet? |
| 20:50.53 | Mooninaut | yeah, Exocet |
| 20:50.55 | NightHawkTheSane | it's most certainly not the diablo font. |
| 20:52.31 | p3lim | NightHawkTheSane: got a download for the helvetica font? |
| 20:53.36 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: technically, helvetica's not a free font. http://www.linotype.com/526/helvetica-family.html |
| 20:54.06 | Arrowmaster | a lot of fonts arent free |
| 20:54.10 | p3lim | holy crap its expensive |
| 20:54.18 | Arrowmaster | even ariel isnt free |
| 20:54.26 | Arrowmaster | or atleast certain versions of it |
| 20:54.38 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: it's a very good, highly used, and "famous" (so to speak) font, so yeah.. |
| 20:54.45 | nevcairiel | helvetica however is pretty much a common font, and every? system has it |
| 20:54.59 | cog|work | windows systems don't by default |
| 20:55.10 | Mooninaut | linux certainly doesn't |
| 20:55.11 | Duman | cog: did you secure tickets? |
| 20:55.11 | cog|work | HP printer drivers come with it |
| 20:55.15 | cog|work | Duman: yep :) |
| 20:55.18 | Bouvi | Verdana is a good font |
| 20:55.19 | Duman | *shakefist* |
| 20:55.25 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: if an OS comes with it, it's because the distributor basically paid for it to be there. |
| 20:55.40 | p3lim | my copy of winxp doesnt have it atleast |
| 20:55.48 | nevcairiel | I dunno where i got it |
| 20:55.50 | nevcairiel | but i have it |
| 20:56.21 | cog|work | it comes with lots of software |
| 20:56.26 | p3lim | well, anyone know a good font thats easy on the eyes, FREE, and maybe has some sort of thin outline? |
| 20:56.26 | jaxdahl2 | http://www.proggyfonts.com/ |
| 20:56.52 | jaxdahl2 | p3lim, free for personal or commercial use? |
| 20:56.54 | cog|work | and you can bet said software company paid through the teeth for the right to distribute it ;) |
| 20:57.01 | p3lim | personal |
| 20:57.08 | Lunessa | Tahoma Uber Alles |
| 20:57.16 | kd3 | the liberation fonts from red hat |
| 20:58.27 | p3lim | kd3: they out for downloads tho? |
| 21:00.20 | Neuro_Medivh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samples_of_Sans_Serif_typefaces if you're still looking |
| 21:00.30 | Neuro_Medivh | there's a serif version too |
| 21:00.38 | Neuro_Medivh | bless you, Wikipedia |
| 21:01.05 | kd3 | https://fedorahosted.org/liberation-fonts |
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| 21:08.03 | p3lim | Hm Eurostile seems nice, though its not free neither |
| 21:08.29 | p3lim | hm.. maybe deviantart has some fonts |
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| 21:09.42 | p3lim | What font types does WoW support btw? |
| 21:09.55 | nevcairiel | true-type ttf fonts |
| 21:10.40 | Duman | so, apparently they are releasing tickets in "chunks" |
| 21:10.47 | Duman | hopefully another chunk goes on sale asap |
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| 21:12.59 | cbreak | Helvetica ftw. |
| 21:13.23 | zenzelezz | yeah, Helvetica is sweet. Verdana isn't bad either though |
| 21:13.31 | cbreak | although I recently came to use Hoeffler Text which was rather nice |
| 21:13.44 | cbreak | and I haven't seen a font that beats Zapfino in expressiveness |
| 21:13.52 | cbreak | (... on my system :) |
| 21:14.32 | cbreak | it has like seven glyphs for each character |
| 21:14.37 | cbreak | all with different linguatures |
| 21:14.56 | Duman | now nothing loads |
| 21:14.57 | Duman | hmm |
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| 21:15.56 | Industrial | anyone got an example of how to change RAID_CLASS_COLORS[UnitClass(unit)] into |cffxxxxxx|r ? |
| 21:16.11 | Industrial | not feeling like reinventing the wheel today |
| 21:16.28 | nevcairiel | what is it, 1-255 or 0-1? |
| 21:16.35 | cbreak | it's ARGB, right? |
| 21:16.38 | Wobin | hex, no? |
| 21:16.47 | Lunessa | hex |
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| 21:16.50 | Esamynn | hex |
| 21:16.53 | cbreak | you can use string.format I guess |
| 21:17.09 | cbreak | !api string.format |
| 21:17.09 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.format' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.format |
| 21:17.17 | nevcairiel | yeah, depending on which values the table contains, i think its 0-1, but i'm not sure |
| 21:17.27 | Industrial | cbreak: yes, but HOW :p |
| 21:17.30 | Wobin | although, I think nev's question was about the output of RAID_CLASS_COLORS |
| 21:17.49 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 21:17.51 | End | I think its .r .g .b |
| 21:17.51 | nevcairiel | lua> string.format("%x%x%x", 1*255, 0.2*255, 0.3*255) |
| 21:17.51 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: ff334c |
| 21:18.03 | End | but I'm not sure |
| 21:18.11 | cbreak | I think I use it in an addon |
| 21:18.28 | Industrial | nevcairiel: %x? ok |
| 21:18.30 | Wobin | lua> string.format("%2x%2x%2x", 1*255, 0.2*255, 0.3*255) |
| 21:18.31 | lua_bot | Wobin: ff334c |
| 21:18.48 | jaxdahl2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Class_colors |
| 21:18.48 | cog|work | %02X |
| 21:18.50 | nevcairiel | yeah its r g b |
| 21:19.04 | cog|work | or lower case x |
| 21:19.06 | cog|work | either way |
| 21:19.07 | End | yeah, I did a google |
| 21:19.11 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765584436&sid=1 |
| 21:19.14 | End | and I see stuff like string.format("%02x%02x%02x", RAID_CLASS_COLORS["HUNTER"].r*255, RAID_CLASS_COLORS["HUNTER"].g*255, ... |
| 21:19.15 | cbreak | It's like this: color = { ["r"] = 0.5; ["g"] = 0.5; ["b"] = 0.5; }; |
| 21:19.16 | cog|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/RGBToHex |
| 21:19.43 | cog|work | (though that works on 0-255 instead of 0-1) |
| 21:19.53 | Industrial | ty :) |
| 21:20.20 | p3lim | |cff%02x%02x%02x|r |
| 21:20.26 | p3lim | I just went through this too |
| 21:20.32 | p3lim | 10 mins ago |
| 21:20.36 | End | lol |
| 21:21.47 | Cairenn | just fyi, the "compatible with WotLK" flag is now avail on WoWI, so you guys can tag your "live" versions with it if you want ... it is _off_ by default |
| 21:22.05 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 21:22.07 | cbreak | yay |
| 21:22.07 | p3lim | cbreak: no need to do it too complicated: color = { r = 0.5, g = 0.5, b = 0.5 }; |
| 21:22.10 | Anaral | Woot |
| 21:22.19 | cbreak | it's not complicated |
| 21:22.20 | p3lim | thanks Cairenn |
| 21:22.22 | cbreak | it's exactly the same :) |
| 21:22.36 | Anaral | Will there be sub-catagories added to the WotLK folder? |
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| 21:22.49 | Anaral | Not as many as live, but just basic ones. |
| 21:22.53 | cladhaire | wow |
| 21:22.56 | cladhaire | i have been playing, for the past three hours |
| 21:23.10 | cladhaire | with my [Skinning Knife] as my mainhand weapon. |
| 21:23.23 | Anaral | Harr |
| 21:23.28 | zenzelezz | hard core |
| 21:23.36 | Anaral | I've done that with my fishing pole before. |
| 21:23.37 | zenzelezz | like the old naked-rogue videos |
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| 21:23.49 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire: fail |
| 21:23.55 | cladhaire | srsly |
| 21:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | What class? |
| 21:24.08 | Esamynn | cladhaire: lol |
| 21:24.08 | cladhaire | drood |
| 21:24.11 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:24.15 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, epic fail |
| 21:24.29 | End | whoa lag |
| 21:24.39 | Esamynn | I've fought Lurker with my fishing pole equipped :) |
| 21:24.42 | Esamynn | easy to forget |
| 21:24.43 | zenzelezz | look out Steve, that bear is gonna skin you! |
| 21:24.56 | End | I went half way through SSC without my helm on once |
| 21:24.58 | cbreak | hmm... addons aren't shown in the WotLK folder even though they are marked as compatible? |
| 21:25.09 | p3lim | Cairenn: http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/0/08/Wrath-Logo-Small.PNG |
| 21:25.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a macro that removes my weapons... I used it and then forgot I did for about 6 deaths |
| 21:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Luckily that was just Archimonde attempts, and I'm a mage, so who cares |
| 21:25.51 | cbreak | decursing does not need weapons :) |
| 21:26.01 | Cairenn | p3lim: we just use text |
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| 21:26.19 | p3lim | I cant remember, but did you use text for TBC too? |
| 21:26.19 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: indeed, and I finished that night with 180 removed curses, more than 3x the person behind me |
| 21:26.47 | cbreak | I usually decurse way more than most others too. Maybe because I stay close to melee :) |
| 21:27.00 | Cairenn | p3lim: yeah |
| 21:27.09 | p3lim | Cairenn: ah ok then :) |
| 21:29.25 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 21:29.36 | Bait_ | Good evening |
| 21:29.46 | Cairenn | hi |
| 21:30.12 | Bait_ | I was wondering if theres a way of linking an item in the trade channel for example, without using container id |
| 21:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 21:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a reason those item "containers" exist, it's because it isn't possible otherwise |
| 21:31.55 | Bait_ | Couldnt it be dont with itemstrings instead? |
| 21:31.55 | Bait_ | done* |
| 21:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wait, trade |
| 21:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah you can link items in trade |
| 21:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | What exactly is the question? |
| 21:31.56 | Bait_ | I was wondering if i could link an item in the trade channel, using itemstrings |
| 21:31.59 | clad|sleep | "I'm sorry, I was too busy trolling to read the question" |
| 21:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart clad|sleep |
| 21:32.14 | purl | hereby declares clad|sleep a troll |
| 21:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | GO TO SLEEP |
| 21:32.14 | clad|sleep | ScytheBlade1: fail |
| 21:32.14 | Bait_ | I am interested in chaning an items name :P |
| 21:32.22 | Esamynn | wow |
| 21:32.26 | Bait_ | Just like the client does for different language packs :P |
| 21:32.27 | ScytheBlade1 | clad|sleep: less skinning knife imo |
| 21:32.29 | Esamynn | that was just, wow |
| 21:32.34 | Esamynn | purl, you rock |
| 21:32.34 | purl | Esamynn: :) |
| 21:32.40 | Bait_ | changeing even |
| 21:33.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Bait_: if I recall, spoofing item links won't get you anymore, ever since the PA server figured out how to change items to be labeled as "[Epic Wang]" |
| 21:33.48 | Bait_ | So, the question was, is it possible to link items in the Trade Channel using Item Strings? ^_^ |
| 21:33.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course, but you can't do much with them |
| 21:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | You can put anything in the trade channel that you want (less nulls), that doesn't mean it'll do anything useful |
| 21:34.17 | Bait_ | I am not interested in them being usefull |
| 21:34.19 | Bait_ | Nor missleading |
| 21:35.21 | Bait_ | I could not find such an example, i have tried something and failed |
| 21:36.15 | Bait_ | Any piece of advise would be welcome |
| 21:36.32 | ScytheBlade1 | wowwiki itemlinks |
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| 21:36.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That's all I'm really going to say |
| 21:36.48 | Bait_ | thats where i came from :P |
| 21:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you have your answer |
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| 21:39.22 | Bait_ | I can see wowhead has the itemstring emdedded in the string itself |
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| 21:39.53 | Mike-N-Go | Bait_: Item hyperlinks, right? |
| 21:39.58 | Bait_ | That seems not to work with SendChatMessage() |
| 21:40.13 | Mike-N-Go | Try the hex for the | (pipe) instead. |
| 21:40.52 | Bait_ | \124 |
| 21:40.55 | Bait_ | i have |
| 21:41.16 | Bait_ | well, i'm not sure that is it, thats what wowhead has, going to check in a second |
| 21:41.38 | Mike-N-Go | So, you are trying to get item links sent by a macro or addon over chat? |
| 21:41.42 | Duman | sigh |
| 21:41.46 | Bait_ | Yes |
| 21:41.54 | Bait_ | Oh no |
| 21:41.59 | Bait_ | I have a set item |
| 21:42.13 | Bait_ | I`d like to put in the trade channel, without using the inventory |
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| 21:45.18 | Bait_ | Oh, finaly got it right :D |
| 21:45.42 | Bait_ | thanks for your time anyways <3 |
| 21:47.30 | Mike-N-Go | Do share? |
| 21:47.44 | Bait_ | Ahh well, changing name seems to not be possible :P |
| 21:47.55 | Bait_ | Well, just copying the string from wowhead |
| 21:48.12 | Bait_ | But using SendChatMessage() instead |
| 21:49.58 | Bait_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.19 | Bait_ | That seems to be working, however, if i change the name of the item, it does not put the item as a link anymore :P |
| 21:50.41 | foxlit | you're lucky it doesn't disconnect you |
| 21:51.16 | ScytheBlade1 | .rating 600 |
| 21:51.20 | Bait_ | :< |
| 21:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, I can't remember the mr.useful commands |
| 21:52.12 | Cairenn | [edit] In addition, Dolby has added some code so that there is a link at the top of the WotLK Beta download category that links to any "live" addons that have been flagged for WotLK. So now if you have a "live" version that works for both live and WotLK, you don't have to have it in both categories seperately. If you still want to have a seperate version in the WotLK Beta though, because they still need testing or whatever, you are certainl |
| 21:52.46 | Esamynn | cut off after: "or whatever, you are certainl"... |
| 21:52.55 | Cairenn | certainly welcome to |
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| 21:57.33 | Duman | wtf, now I'm getting murloc'd again |
| 21:57.37 | Duman | :( |
| 22:00.15 | foxlit | "You are to full to eat more right now" |
| 22:00.16 | foxlit | I wonder |
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| 22:00.38 | AckisWork | cool Cairenn |
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| 22:02.34 | Duman | blizzard gets 50 dkp minus |
| 22:04.24 | Industrial | Cairenn: So if I want to make a zip of my svn projec,t should I put it in the WotlK category or is there a check mark to say it's for wotlk? |
| 22:04.33 | Cairenn | check mark |
| 22:04.35 | Industrial | ok |
| 22:04.45 | Cairenn | errr, if it is live compatible as well |
| 22:04.51 | AckisWork | it's actually a dropdown menu :P |
| 22:05.04 | Cairenn | if it isn't live compatible, just put it in the wotlk beta cat |
| 22:05.07 | Esamynn | details, details :P |
| 22:06.12 | Industrial | ^^ |
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| 22:07.21 | End | I was gonna say "oh damn, beta server fell down" |
| 22:07.25 | End | but they just fell back up |
| 22:07.26 | End | or not |
| 22:07.53 | AckisWork | help i've fallen and can't get it? |
| 22:07.58 | AckisWork | s/it/up/ |
| 22:09.58 | Industrial | you cant get it up, and you fell down? |
| 22:10.05 | End | >_< |
| 22:10.07 | End | it's back up |
| 22:10.17 | Tem | ~exception Industrial |
| 22:10.18 | purl | ACTION tries to throw a NullPointerException at Industrial. |
| 22:10.43 | Shirik | Lua 5.1.4-rc1 released, btw, for anyone that cares |
| 22:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | -rc1? |
| 22:10.55 | p3lim | haste, in oUF_Lily, why have you registered UNIT_HAPPINESS there? |
| 22:10.55 | AckisWork | :( |
| 22:11.04 | cbreak | interesting |
| 22:11.05 | p3lim | when its already registered in the happiness element |
| 22:11.08 | Industrial | p3lim: pet frame |
| 22:11.23 | Tekkub | Maldivia, you deciphered the trade links eh? |
| 22:11.31 | haste | p3lim: because I don't use the happiness element |
| 22:11.37 | Bait_ | :( |
| 22:11.41 | p3lim | oh |
| 22:12.38 | p3lim | haste: neither for oUF_Classic? |
| 22:12.57 | haste | none of my layouts use that element |
| 22:18.06 | foxlit | circular skins so utterly fail when you apply alpha to the button :( |
| 22:18.23 | Sixen | So anyone have any idea wtf's going on? |
| 22:18.26 | Sixen | Ther's no waythey're sold out. |
| 22:18.47 | foxlit | .z are minor, qq :( |
| 22:18.48 | Duman | sigh |
| 22:18.50 | Duman | I duno man |
| 22:18.55 | Sixen | You get a ticket, Duman? |
| 22:19.14 | Duman | sixen, I *had* my tickets, but blizzard spit back a "failed" message, so I reloaded, and then AMEX blocked it because it actually submitted twice |
| 22:19.23 | Sixen | :O |
| 22:19.39 | Duman | so by the time I called amex and told them to effing let the charge go thru, they said I had to just "re-sibmit the charge" |
| 22:19.42 | Duman | so I cried |
| 22:19.46 | Duman | and I've been reloading since |
| 22:20.22 | Duman | altho they are apparently having to submit a lot of things by hand |
| 22:20.26 | Duman | so maybe they will send it thru |
| 22:20.29 | Duman | we'll see |
| 22:20.36 | Duman | I don't have anything listed under my orders tho |
| 22:20.38 | Duman | so I doubt it |
| 22:22.12 | Sixen | =/ |
| 22:22.19 | foxlit | Nothing terribly interesting |
| 22:24.02 | p3lim | haste: simple .toc file remove or..? |
| 22:24.09 | Dewin | I see Blizzard's online store is still horribly broken? |
| 22:24.14 | haste | p3lim: what? |
| 22:24.23 | p3lim | to disable the element |
| 22:24.32 | haste | I don't disable it |
| 22:25.00 | Shirik | !!! Netbeans is supporting php! |
| 22:25.05 | p3lim | if you dont use it, how do you avoid it? |
| 22:25.12 | Duman | sigh |
| 22:25.14 | p3lim | if you havent disabled it somehow.. |
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| 22:25.31 | Sixen | So supposedly, they're selling the tickets in waves |
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| 22:27.27 | Industrial | How do I decide unit difficulty? grey, green, yellow, etc? |
| 22:27.47 | Industrial | and if anyone knows off the top of his head, the table name that has the colors? :D |
| 22:27.59 | Dewin | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemQualityColor ? |
| 22:28.16 | p3lim | GetDifficultyColor(UnitLevel(unit)) |
| 22:28.22 | Dewin | hmm units are different. right. |
| 22:28.50 | p3lim | ah you wanted the table.. hm |
| 22:30.17 | p3lim | not sure its a table for it |
| 22:30.24 | Industrial | meh, color is fine :D |
| 22:30.31 | Industrial | I just need the color |
| 22:30.45 | p3lim | you could purge it from the function manually :) |
| 22:32.03 | Duman | aargh |
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| 22:42.48 | Lunessa | Nothing like dry-coding an AddOn while at work, and not being able to test it until much much later. |
| 22:44.23 | Lopeppeppy | ..... *snark* Bad Peppy |
| 22:45.25 | Lunessa | ... Peppy-dear, there would be nothing dry... |
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| 22:45.34 | Cairenn | suuuure Lunessa |
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| 22:46.00 | Lunessa | I r teh Don Juan of de interwebz! |
| 22:46.15 | Lunessa | And in other humorous notes: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765612552&sid=2000 |
| 22:46.22 | Cairenn | *nod nod* I believe you, yup I do, just keep telling yourself that |
| 22:46.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ that thread |
| 22:47.50 | Lunessa | I am so smooth, nothing sticks to me. I'm better than teflon. |
| 22:48.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: also, refresh that thread |
| 22:49.24 | Lunessa | nice link |
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| 22:51.49 | Sixen | What's billing? |
| 22:51.52 | Sixen | 800 592 5499? |
| 22:51.58 | ScytheBlade1 | !g wow billing |
| 22:51.59 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Blizzard Support <http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/> |
| 22:52.03 | Sixen | Goddamn |
| 22:52.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, not the intended link |
| 22:52.08 | Sixen | "All circuits are busy" |
| 22:52.11 | Sixen | That's ridiculous. |
| 22:52.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: early in the week + Blizzcon... give it time (day or two) |
| 22:52.34 | Sixen | I need to get blizzcon tickets |
| 22:52.36 | Sixen | I don't have time. |
| 22:52.50 | jaxdahl2 | blizz should build their own stadium and charge $1000 per ticket |
| 22:52.56 | Sixen | this is fucking stupid |
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| 22:56.59 | cbreak | who needs tickets when he has stealth |
| 22:57.20 | cbreak | or even better, buy a few stacks of invis pots and hope the guards don't see through it |
| 22:57.25 | Duman | GAH! |
| 22:57.39 | Duman | The bulk of the BlizzCon tickets we had available were sold out within minutes of ticket sales going live again this afternoon. We have a small reserve of tickets left -- to make these available to some of you who might not have had a chance to purchase yet, we will be releasing the remaining reserve tickets for sale tonight, August 12, at 8:00 PM PDT |
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| 22:57.52 | Duman | I will fucking kill someone if I don't get a ticket, really |
| 22:57.53 | Sixen | Duman where you see htis |
| 22:57.58 | Lunessa | Well, the way things are going, it doesn't look like I'll be attending this year. |
| 22:57.58 | Duman | geenral forum |
| 22:58.59 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765785084&sid=1 |
| 22:59.51 | Sixen | <3 |
| 23:00.03 | NightHawkTheSane | thats not going to be pretty... |
| 23:00.16 | Sixen | This sucks |
| 23:01.52 | Sixen | This is fucking stupid. |
| 23:02.00 | Sixen | Normally i'm all for blizzard, but this is fucking stupid. |
| 23:02.05 | Duman | agreed |
| 23:02.19 | Duman | especially since (apparently) my transaction(s) went THROUGH |
| 23:02.25 | Sixen | :( |
| 23:02.27 | Duman | even tho blizzard gave me an error page |
| 23:02.29 | Duman | so I kept trying |
| 23:02.34 | Duman | and amex blocked all the transactions |
| 23:02.40 | Duman | I am so fucking livid right now, btw |
| 23:02.45 | Sixen | Ditto |
| 23:02.50 | Sixen | I had ordered 2 |
| 23:02.53 | Sixen | then did it again due to an error |
| 23:02.54 | Duman | merchant transactions are not fucking rocket science |
| 23:03.04 | Sixen | So instead of it blocking, I had 4. So I went to remove 2 tickets and the site was down. |
| 23:03.26 | Sixen | There's no way that like 12k tickets were sold out in 10 minutes. |
| 23:03.27 | Sixen | Not possible. |
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| 23:05.34 | Shirik | that's... pretty crazy |
| 23:05.39 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765783606&sid=2000 - Makes me cry |
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| 23:05.53 | Shirik | Lunessa: rofl |
| 23:06.22 | MentalPower | Sixen: its possible, trust me |
| 23:06.30 | Sixen | It's ridiculous. |
| 23:06.42 | Lunessa | Shirik: I have carpal tunnel in both wrists and I too would like to seem some changes to help with RSI, but... meh |
| 23:07.07 | Shirik | Sorry didn't mean to offend, I just found the title amusing :) |
| 23:08.11 | Lunessa | Me too. But the vitriol in that thread is amazing which is what makes me cry. |
| 23:09.58 | Cairenn | I know this isn't going to be a popular statement, but .... I feel sorry for Blizz right now ... this is NOT going to be pretty |
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| 23:10.17 | Sixen | Cairenn, I feel bad for me. |
| 23:10.20 | Sixen | I need 2 more tickets, -_-;. |
| 23:10.35 | Sixen | If I can't get those 2, I have to hope there are still some free ones laying around. |
| 23:10.47 | Duman | I need 3 |
| 23:10.48 | Cairenn | and the people that have to deal with it ... it isn't their fault, there isn't anything they could or can do about it |
| 23:10.51 | Duman | in fact, I had 3 |
| 23:10.52 | Sixen | Personally, they should just wipe all of the tickets |
| 23:10.54 | Duman | they even charged me |
| 23:10.59 | Sixen | Clear the whole system |
| 23:11.00 | Duman | but then they chanrged me AGAIN |
| 23:11.02 | Sixen | Then fix the system |
| 23:11.04 | Sixen | Then put it up |
| 23:11.10 | Duman | and fscking amex blocked both chrages |
| 23:11.27 | Duman | I guess I have 4 hours to try again |
| 23:11.31 | Duman | I mean, before I can try again |
| 23:11.43 | Duman | but I'm beyond mad right now |
| 23:11.54 | MentalPower | yay amex? |
| 23:11.55 | Sixen | As am I |
| 23:12.01 | Sixen | This is ridiculous. But you know what Duman? |
| 23:12.02 | cbreak | they could just make a signup and then randomly pick the winners of the tickets |
| 23:12.03 | Cairenn | I feel bad for all of you guys, too, don't get me wrong |
| 23:12.08 | cbreak | a gigantic /random 100 |
| 23:12.11 | Sixen | Had Blizzard's servers not fucking sucked, that would've never happened. |
| 23:12.16 | Cairenn | but I feel for the poor front end Blizz folks too |
| 23:12.21 | Sixen | Honestly, this isn't the time for stress testing. |
| 23:12.25 | leethal | blizzcast #4 = made of awesome |
| 23:12.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Sixen: they can't do that, because the people who validly purchased tickets would be equally screwed |
| 23:12.44 | Lunessa | Nothing sucks worse than being the guy who has to take the angry abuse for something that went wrong. |
| 23:12.47 | Sixen | -_- |
| 23:12.53 | Cairenn | Lunessa: precisely |
| 23:12.57 | Lopeppeppy | Agreed, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 23:13.00 | Cairenn | Lunessa: exactly what I'm saying |
| 23:13.11 | cbreak | I wonder how much that guy earns. |
| 23:13.15 | Duman | my only real issue in all of this is that merchant transaction stuff really is not somethign new |
| 23:13.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: thats why i stay out of management. |
| 23:13.25 | Duman | they HAD to know the flood they would get |
| 23:13.32 | Sixen | They knowingly got the 3rd hall of the center tbecause they knew there'd be MORE people. |
| 23:13.40 | MentalPower | Duman: its new for blizz, they had a flood last time, but nothing like this time |
| 23:13.40 | Sixen | So they HAD to know. |
| 23:13.42 | Lunessa | I know. I work for a university doing support and tech docs. I also am the only supervisor at night... when something crashes (nothing I can do) I get amazing amounts of abuse. |
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| 23:14.00 | Cairenn | anyway, I'm afk for a bit, going to go get food |
| 23:14.06 | MentalPower | Sixen: not only did they have more tickets, but they sold them even faster than last time |
| 23:14.24 | MentalPower | last time it took a few days, this time it took a mere few hours |
| 23:14.25 | Lunessa | So I imagine every person answering the phone at Blizzard is going home with at least 1 new rectum tonight. |
| 23:14.26 | Sixen | They sold them out faster in the same amount of time. |
| 23:14.29 | Sixen | It's still taking 3 days. |
| 23:14.34 | Sixen | Lawl lune. |
| 23:14.58 | Duman | If my transaction hadn't even been attempted, that's one thing... but they OVIOUSLY tried to charge my card, and yet the returned an error to me |
| 23:15.03 | Duman | that's just horseshit |
| 23:15.09 | NightHawkTheSane | also why i don't do phone support. :) |
| 23:15.42 | Sixen | Phone's are still down |
| 23:15.43 | Sixen | Gay |
| 23:15.45 | MentalPower | tickets only "started" going on sale yesterday, (which none were sold), the bulk of them were sold this morning, and then some this afternoon. |
| 23:15.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Duman: they tried to charge your card, got an error somewhere.. and thats.. horseshit? what do you expect them to do exactly? |
| 23:16.00 | MentalPower | Duman: I'd contact AMEX to complain to them |
| 23:16.08 | MentalPower | since they were the ones that blocked the purchase |
| 23:16.51 | MentalPower | or next time, call amex ahead of time saying that you're going to try to purchase something online so they don't block it in the first place |
| 23:16.54 | Duman | yes, because blizzard submitted it 3 times |
| 23:17.04 | Duman | amex was doing their job |
| 23:17.11 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, and if they got 3 errors.. |
| 23:17.13 | MentalPower | because *you* submitted it three times too |
| 23:17.23 | Duman | because I got an error saying it didn't go thru each time! :-) |
| 23:17.31 | Sixen | God |
| 23:17.33 | erikd | are blizzcon tickets seriously sold out? i've been chain refreshing for the last 2 days and i couldn't get any =/ |
| 23:17.35 | Sixen | I have a ticket and i'm still pissed |
| 23:17.39 | Sixen | No they aren't. |
| 23:17.45 | MentalPower | erikd: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765785084 |
| 23:17.46 | Sixen | Last wave is coming tonight at 8PM PST |
| 23:17.49 | Sixen | Actually |
| 23:17.50 | Duman | they have 5 tickets left, they go on sale at 8pm PST, GO! |
| 23:17.51 | Sixen | 9PM PST ;) |
| 23:17.54 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:17.58 | Duman | lol |
| 23:18.00 | Sixen | ;) |
| 23:18.00 | Duman | not nice |
| 23:18.02 | Duman | ;) |
| 23:18.03 | MentalPower | y 9pm? |
| 23:18.03 | Sixen | True, :( |
| 23:18.10 | Sixen | So I can get the tix instead of him? |
| 23:18.16 | Duman | mentalpower's mental powers are slow today |
| 23:18.25 | Sixen | i c wut u did thar dooman |
| 23:18.32 | Duman | hee hee |
| 23:18.41 | erikd | heh, why didn't they post that in the thread they link on blizzcon.com? >< |
| 23:18.56 | Duman | because they hate us |
| 23:18.57 | Sixen | They made a new thread |
| 23:18.59 | Duman | or at least, me |
| 23:19.01 | Sixen | in blizzcon forums |
| 23:19.23 | erikd | i'm gonna be annoyed if i can't get tickets |
| 23:19.28 | MentalPower | oh PDT ~= PST |
| 23:19.30 | MentalPower | nm |
| 23:19.45 | Sixen | Basically, =p |
| 23:29.37 | alestane | An error encountered in pcall still triggers the error handler. |
| 23:30.05 | alestane | pcall just allows the caller to recover from the error. |
| 23:30.47 | foxlit | So I need to hook something specific to view them? |
| 23:32.08 | foxlit | Suppose I did |
| 23:32.13 | foxlit | pcall(error, "foo") |
| 23:32.39 | foxlit | I'd imagine that wouldn't result in anyone being notified, except by the pcall return value |
| 23:32.44 | alestane | seterrorhandler(function (...) |
| 23:33.26 | foxlit | not called. |
| 23:33.27 | alestane | er, local errh = geterrorhandler(); seterrorhandler(function (...) errh(...) youcodehere() end) |
| 23:33.59 | foxlit | Which is exactly the purpose of a pcall |
| 23:34.23 | alestane | It isn't actually, as I understand it. If you actually want to override the panic function you need xpcall. |
| 23:34.57 | foxlit | Here's what I'm getting at: |
| 23:35.00 | Sixen | Duman, I truly hope you get a ticket now. |
| 23:35.03 | foxlit | UIOptionsFrame calls all handlers through pcall |
| 23:35.11 | foxlit | This eats any and all errors that occur in those handlers |
| 23:35.17 | Shirik | alestane, foxlit is saying he's annoyed that the panic function isn't called |
| 23:35.21 | Shirik | because everything is pcalled |
| 23:35.26 | Shirik | therefore you don't know about errors, they're just |
| 23:35.28 | Shirik | hidden |
| 23:35.29 | foxlit | You CAN NOT determine whether your handler crashed, and the UIOptionsFrame won't tell you |
| 23:35.31 | Shirik | stupid enter key |
| 23:35.54 | Shirik | I can see both sides of the argument |
| 23:36.02 | foxlit | I can see why it does that |
| 23:36.05 | Shirik | pcall is good in that it ensures problems from one addon don't screw up everything |
| 23:36.10 | Shirik | pcall is bad in that you don't know what's going on |
| 23:36.12 | foxlit | But I can't see why it wouldn't tell you that it ate an error later on |
| 23:36.21 | Shirik | imo, what you should do is pcall, then geterrorhandler()(error) |
| 23:36.23 | Shirik | then keep going |
| 23:36.35 | alestane | Shirik: my understanding, which slouken supported once, is that the panic function IS called. It just doesn't terminate the Lua execution path. I ran into this while designing one implementation of the secure handlers. |
| 23:36.57 | Shirik | It's definitely not true, because I've used pcall all over the place to ensure the error handler isn't called :) |
| 23:37.47 | Shirik | Which is logical; I'd be a bit annoyed if pcall didn't actually stop errors from propagating to the user |
| 23:37.51 | alestane | Then why did I have to use xpcall while I was pursuing reliable nonreentrancy? |
| 23:38.07 | Shirik | Probably because you weren't facing the bug you thought you were facing :) |
| 23:39.04 | Shirik | I promise you, pcall(function() error("Test") end); will not call the error handler |
| 23:39.11 | Shirik | test it yourself |
| 23:39.23 | foxlit | I agree with Shirik and have tested it myself |
| 23:40.02 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.14 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.24 | Shirik | Anyway, as much as I'd like to continue this discussion, I have to go if I'm to get back from panera before raid time :) |
| 23:40.27 | Mike-N-Go | I think picking herbs is more fun then mining ore. |
| 23:40.52 | foxlit | Mike-N-Go: but there's no chance to mine gems while picking herbs? :) |
| 23:41.25 | Sixen | ~seen duman |
| 23:41.29 | purl | duman is currently on #wowuidev. Has said a total of 176 messages. Is idling for 22m 30s, last said: 'or at least, me'. |
| 23:41.46 | Mike-N-Go | That is why I have two high levels, one with lw/mining, the other with herb/eng, both with epic fliers. |
| 23:42.06 | alestane | I suppose you could hooksecurefunc pcall, if the calls aren't being made before your addon loads. |
| 23:42.51 | foxlit | I can also wrap my own handler in my own pcall |
| 23:43.14 | foxlit | But that's not really the point - the point is that lack of error indication keeps sneaking up on me :( |
| 23:43.50 | Aiiane | Mike-N-Go: I have 3 70s, all with epic flyers, one a herber, one a miner, and one a skinner... and I'm leveling an engi :P |
| 23:44.05 | foxlit | I don't think hooksecurefunc pcall would get me anything, by the way |
| 23:44.27 | alestane | I suppose not. |
| 23:44.37 | alestane | Because you wouldn't see the returns. |
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| 23:47.20 | devXero | do all classes / races have the exact same resitence set? Just varying in which resistences are actually being utilized and to what extent? |
| 23:47.40 | devXero | i.e. arcane, fire, nature, frost, shadow |
| 23:48.15 | Mike-N-Go | I really like the herb/eng combo. Can gather clouds, and herbs, all at once! |
| 23:53.00 | Anaral | Heh. Wonder if they'll have cloud equivalents in LK |
