| 00:00.33 | Kirov | hmm |
| 00:00.45 | TecnoBrat | live = item:itemId:enchantId:jewelId1:jewelId2:jewelId3:jewelId4:suffixId:uniqueId |
| 00:00.55 | TecnoBrat | beta = item:itemId:enchantId:jewelId1:jewelId2:jewelId3:jewelId4:suffixId:uniqueId:currentCharacteLevel |
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| 00:01.13 | TecnoBrat | but that makes a little more sense I guess ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:01.46 | ScytheBlade1 | something tells me it may/may not be achievements related |
| 00:02.17 | Arrowmaster | does that last value change for every item you have when you level up? |
| 00:02.33 | TecnoBrat | It took me forever to figure out it was the character level, and I couldn't find any notes anywhere on it (and I didn't know where to look in the actual blizz code) |
| 00:02.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I saw it posted on the forums |
| 00:03.22 | TecnoBrat | That I don't know. But I do know when I logged into my other char, every item had that last value as his level, instead of 58 like it was on my DK :) |
| 00:03.32 | TecnoBrat | I would assume it updates when you level |
| 00:03.43 | Arrowmaster | well that info is very important |
| 00:03.45 | TecnoBrat | its that way even for items you look up off the vendor |
| 00:03.49 | Arrowmaster | to the purpose |
| 00:04.10 | TecnoBrat | well, every single item in my inv had my current level |
| 00:04.16 | TecnoBrat | on my DK |
| 00:04.31 | TecnoBrat | which I obviously did not get all of them within my last level |
| 00:04.41 | Kirov | Try linking an item to yourself in chat, then see what the linked item's id is |
| 00:04.48 | Kirov | I'm curious if the numbers get stripped. |
| 00:05.40 | TecnoBrat | even chat links have the current chars level |
| 00:05.54 | erikd | if someone else links an item it has your own level? |
| 00:06.01 | TecnoBrat | correct |
| 00:06.19 | erikd | wonder what the reasoning behind that is |
| 00:06.26 | Kirov | that is odd |
| 00:06.34 | TecnoBrat | thats what I'm curious about, all I can think of is what ScytheBlade1 said |
| 00:06.44 | TecnoBrat | <ScytheBlade1> link coloring for relative levels |
| 00:07.24 | TecnoBrat | ScytheBlade1: was it this post you saw? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&postId=87289690988&sid=1#60 |
| 00:07.29 | TecnoBrat | cause thats me :) |
| 00:08.23 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
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| 00:34.55 | Sixen | uh |
| 00:35.10 | Sixen | In order to use the BlizzCon promo you have to stay in the hotel for 2 weeks...? |
| 00:35.20 | Cairenn | no |
| 00:35.30 | Cairenn | those are the two weeks that they are honouring that price |
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| 00:35.47 | Sixen | hm |
| 00:35.49 | Sixen | weird |
| 00:35.57 | Cairenn | why weird? |
| 00:36.16 | Sixen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.16 | Sixen | You may try another date Click Here  |
| 00:36.16 | Sixen | If you would like to check our regular online rates Click Here |
| 00:36.16 | Sixen | If you would like to sign up for news on other hotel promotions and special offers, please Click Here. |
| 00:36.22 | Sixen | When I change the amount of people. |
| 00:37.21 | Sixen | Apparently that happens when you put more than 2 people. |
| 00:37.43 | Cairenn | shouldn't ... |
| 00:37.44 | jaxdahl | tickets are out yet? |
| 00:37.48 | Sixen | Yup, that's what causes it. |
| 00:37.52 | Sixen | jaxdahl: not until the 11th. |
| 00:38.07 | Sixen | Cairenn: 2 people works fine. After you add a 3rd, it gives that error. |
| 00:38.19 | jaxdahl | how do you know they're on sale on the 11th? |
| 00:38.26 | Sixen | www.blizzard.com |
| 00:38.31 | Cairenn | it may be that the rooms for 3 or more are sold out |
| 00:38.47 | jaxdahl | don't see anything there, sixen |
| 00:38.51 | jaxdahl | or on the blizzcon site |
| 00:38.57 | Sixen | odd... |
| 00:39.00 | Sixen | jax, i'll copy/paste |
| 00:39.01 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17442 |
| 00:39.02 | Cairenn | jaxdahl: |
| 00:39.58 | Sixen | http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/080729.html |
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| 00:40.07 | jaxdahl | ok, gotcha |
| 00:40.14 | Sixen | brb |
| 00:40.24 | jaxdahl | planet tickets, $277 for one way |
| 00:40.28 | jaxdahl | plane* |
| 00:40.37 | jaxdahl | by one way, i mean nonstop |
| 00:43.19 | jaxdahl | i stayed at a ramada last year |
| 00:45.00 | Cairenn | it's not any 5-star hotel, but it also isn't a roach-motel |
| 00:45.10 | Cairenn | it's clean, it's convenient and it's a reasonable price |
| 00:45.26 | Cairenn | and honestly, what more do you need than that :) |
| 00:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.00 | jaxdahl | 1.5 mile walk |
| 00:46.15 | Cairenn | jaxdahl: not as far as the one I stayed at the first year |
| 00:46.19 | jaxdahl | good exercise |
| 00:46.20 | Cairenn | and it *was* a roach motel |
| 00:46.32 | Cairenn | it was just awful |
| 00:46.58 | jaxdahl | how much are shuttle/bus from LAX and SNA? |
| 00:47.18 | Cairenn | no idea |
| 00:47.29 | Cairenn | sna is closest to the convention center |
| 00:48.04 | jaxdahl | $10 sna, $15 lax |
| 00:48.08 | jaxdahl | one way |
| 00:48.14 | Cairenn | but I've had a friend chauffeuring me each time, so I don't know about the shuttles and stuff |
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| 00:49.08 | jaxdahl | what do the hotel fees and tax work out to for the one you posted? |
| 00:49.19 | Cairenn | that's the price |
| 00:49.31 | Cairenn | that's with hotel fees and taxes in |
| 00:49.37 | jaxdahl | oh, you should say 'includes fees and taxes' |
| 00:49.43 | Cairenn | errr, hang on |
| 00:49.57 | Cairenn | no, I'm sorry, it isn't |
| 00:50.03 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.30 | jaxdahl | looks like i would need to budget $600 if i want to go this year |
| 00:51.19 | jaxdahl | $450 if i stay one night and do a non-nonstop flight |
| 00:51.34 | Cairenn | okay ... 76.65/night + 11.35/night taxes + 7.99/night fee |
| 00:51.56 | Cairenn | err, 75.65, mistype |
| 00:52.05 | jaxdahl | thanks Cairenn |
| 00:52.13 | Cairenn | np |
| 00:52.26 | Cairenn | but I think there is a minimum number of nights |
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| 01:00.28 | Ackis | my sister went to disneyland recently and said there are a lot of shuttle buses that take you all over... was planning on doing seaworld on the sunday, universal studios on monday, and disneyland on tuesday (day we fly out) |
| 01:01.02 | Cairenn | Sixen: if all else fails, use the phone number to see if there are any rooms still avail for 4 people and just use the promo code |
| 01:01.11 | Cairenn | WOWI08 |
| 01:01.57 | Ackis | are rooms booked up there already with your code? |
| 01:02.55 | Shirik | I have a room |
| 01:03.35 | Cairenn | seem to still be rooms for 2, but there seems to be question whether there are rooms for 3-4 |
| 01:03.41 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:03.45 | Shirik | by booked you mean full? |
| 01:03.55 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, you can stick like 4 people in a 2 person room. ;) |
| 01:04.12 | Shirik | honestly, the rooms they're giving to 2 people (2x queen) could easily suit 4 people |
| 01:04.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 01:04.38 | Shirik | Unless it was supposed to be the 1x king for 2 people |
| 01:04.40 | NightHawkTheSane | more if you're okay being a little close with some of em. ;) |
| 01:04.41 | Shirik | but screw that |
| 01:05.42 | NightHawkTheSane | (protip: bringing your own air mattress is ftw) |
| 01:08.49 | Ackis | Cairenn: do they have a pool/hot tub at that hotel? |
| 01:08.56 | Cairenn | yes |
| 01:09.05 | Cairenn | click the link, go check it out :p |
| 01:09.16 | Ackis | I have been :P |
| 01:09.33 | Ackis | I finally clicked on the virtual tour and saw the pools :P |
| 01:09.39 | Ackis | inc FAT GUY IN POOL AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH |
| 01:09.48 | Cairenn | from my post |
| 01:09.59 | Cairenn | "Includes free parking, Deluxe Continental Breakfast each morning, free high speed internet access in public space (lobby, breakfast room, pool area) fee based Internet access in guest rooms." |
| 01:10.15 | Cairenn | *pool area* |
| 01:10.22 | Ackis | pool != hot tub :P |
| 01:10.24 | Cairenn | hmmm ... wonder if that means they have a pool? |
| 01:10.24 | Gnarfoz | he doesn't have to learn swimming, anyway |
| 01:10.25 | NightHawkTheSane | free high speed internet access in pool area... |
| 01:10.39 | NightHawkTheSane | laptops + pool = hilarity ensues? |
| 01:10.41 | Cairenn | (2008-08-06 21:08:40) Ackis: Cairenn: do they have a pool/hot tub at that hotel? |
| 01:10.57 | Ackis | see! I was asking about a hot tub too :P |
| 01:11.11 | Ackis | watch out!!! inflatable swords!!!!! |
| 01:11.21 | Cairenn | shaking in my boots |
| 01:11.22 | Cairenn | not |
| 01:11.24 | Ackis | omg |
| 01:11.26 | Ackis | hot tub |
| 01:11.27 | Ackis | beer |
| 01:11.33 | Ackis | and inflatable swords |
| 01:11.34 | Mikk | nice buzz |
| 01:11.34 | Ackis | wow |
| 01:11.36 | Lunessa | omg so hungry |
| 01:12.04 | Sixen | bac |
| 01:13.15 | jaxdahl | oh wow |
| 01:13.21 | jaxdahl | real life imitates wow? |
| 01:13.22 | jaxdahl | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398903,00.html |
| 01:13.32 | jaxdahl | equivalent of the vanity items off haris pilton? |
| 01:14.11 | Sixen | lol |
| 01:14.24 | Sixen | How stupid is that though? |
| 01:18.45 | Xuerian | Isn't stupid for the author, if anyone has bought it. |
| 01:19.03 | Icecoldcoke | It's not for sale in the US :o |
| 01:19.04 | Xuerian | Can't speak for the buyer, though. |
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| 01:22.12 | Shirik | Is it wrong that we take bets on how long it takes someone to die during a fight in our guild? |
| 01:22.54 | Dark_Elf | it is if its baseball and pete rose lol |
| 01:23.17 | sacarasc | not really, Shirik, we have the same |
| 01:23.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: only if it's the main tank |
| 01:23.27 | sacarasc | and i'm usually odds on favourite for first death |
| 01:24.36 | Cairenn | Icecoldcoke: ... |
| 01:27.29 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Nah, it's this person that comes from a sunwell guild and thinks they're "all that" |
| 01:27.36 | Shirik | and is actually epic fail |
| 01:29.06 | Shirik | What is not epic fail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG62B_dHfDQ |
| 01:30.03 | NightHawkTheSane | is that more country?> |
| 01:30.08 | Shirik | no! |
| 01:30.16 | Shirik | metallica (sorta) |
| 01:31.36 | Cairenn | Dashkal: ... |
| 01:32.39 | NightHawkTheSane | you seem to be a fan of the ellipses today, Cairenn |
| 01:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | My thoughts exactly |
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| 01:33.22 | NightHawkTheSane | course, i love a good ellipses as much as the next guy, so i guess i shouldn't say anything⦠|
| 01:34.15 | Xuerian | Who doesn't, it's the master of making passing multiple arguments on to different people with one little package |
| 01:34.24 | Xuerian | *simple |
| 01:34.32 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: ... |
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| 01:39.27 | Dashkal | I am really starting to hate this damn wizard library |
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| 01:58.06 | Shirik | [#] Kimina's melee swing hits Illidan Stormrage for 1 Physical. (Glancing) |
| 01:58.07 | Shirik | wheeeee |
| 01:59.49 | NightHawkTheSane | it'd be funnier if that was the KB. |
| 02:00.08 | Corrodias | it'd be funnier if that was Illidan getting the KB on your tank |
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| 02:04.41 | AnduinLothar | wait wtf... "have the ability to summon one another from anywhere in the world" how did i miss that |
| 02:05.00 | |pez| | that is so much win it almost hurts. |
| 02:05.11 | AnduinLothar | yeah wtf |
| 02:05.13 | AnduinLothar | do want |
| 02:05.23 | AnduinLothar | gonna have to find someone who wants to play with me |
| 02:05.37 | Arrowmaster | read closer |
| 02:05.50 | Arrowmaster | can only summon equal or lower level characters on their account |
| 02:05.55 | Arrowmaster | and only for like 90 days |
| 02:06.00 | AnduinLothar | aww |
| 02:06.05 | AnduinLothar | 90 days is fail |
| 02:06.10 | Icecoldcoke | The fine print says "With an additional payment of $999.99" |
| 02:06.25 | AnduinLothar | once per hour. |
| 02:06.35 | Mooninaut | you have to find someone who wants to play with you and doesn't already play wow |
| 02:06.38 | AnduinLothar | The link between the accounts will last for 90 days from the date that your recruit creates an account. |
| 02:06.42 | |pez| | mu tummy hurts. Can really hot spiced food make my tummy hurt? |
| 02:06.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah the only truely perm benifit is the mount and them giving you levels |
| 02:06.50 | AnduinLothar | so all the benifits except the mount leave after 90 days |
| 02:07.00 | Dashkal | |pez|: that has been known to happen, yes :p |
| 02:07.09 | |pez| | Dashkal: for hours and hours? |
| 02:07.17 | Dashkal | erm, that's not good |
| 02:07.27 | NightHawkTheSane | indigestion? |
| 02:07.44 | |pez| | NightHawkTheSane: Nah, stuffs coming out when it needs to. I just have horrible horrible pain. :P |
| 02:08.01 | Dashkal | |pez|: latence ulcer being aggrivated? or is it more of a dull pain? |
| 02:08.01 | |pez| | I did fall asleep earlier though, then the damned cat woke me up. |
| 02:08.12 | |pez| | define dull pain? |
| 02:08.25 | |pez| | I don't know if I have an ulcer, but it feels like it could be something like that. :P |
| 02:08.28 | Dashkal | not sharp, kind of general in your gut rather than one spot |
| 02:08.34 | NightHawkTheSane | more like someone stabbing you, or someone sitting on you. :P |
| 02:08.39 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 02:08.50 | |pez| | general in my gut really. |
| 02:09.09 | Icecoldcoke | Speaking of stabbing.. did anyone see the news article last week about the person that was stabbed & decapitated on a bus in canada |
| 02:09.27 | Dashkal | that was.. fucked up |
| 02:09.32 | |pez| | Yes, yes it was. |
| 02:09.37 | Dashkal | apparently we can breen em crazy too... |
| 02:09.41 | Dashkal | breed* |
| 02:09.54 | Tekkub | speaking of stabbing, the mountain I live on burned down monday |
| 02:10.06 | Tekkub | (no, nothing else has happened in my life since then) |
| 02:10.08 | Dashkal | Tekkub: house ok? |
| 02:10.24 | Tekkub | house was never really in danger |
| 02:10.27 | Dashkal | Oh good |
| 02:10.30 | Tekkub | *apt building |
| 02:10.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: .... i'm not really going to question how that relates to stabbing :P |
| 02:11.02 | Icecoldcoke | I agree with NightHawkTheSane |
| 02:11.05 | Dashkal | long as people don't get killed/lives destroyed my attitude with fire tends to be "Eh, it's natural" |
| 02:11.09 | Tekkub | it'd've had to have durned thru 2 blocks of yuppies houses and across two roads... and then our building is from the early 70's and nearly solid concrete |
| 02:11.46 | Tekkub | it melted the siding off one yuppie house :) |
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| 02:11.51 | Dashkal | *snickers* |
| 02:12.02 | |pez| | yuppie house? |
| 02:12.10 | Tekkub | that was the only damage, besides most the stuff getting hickory smoked |
| 02:12.17 | Dashkal | alrighty, fuck this. it's 7pm. I'm going home and working on this tomorrow |
| 02:12.22 | |pez| | I wonder if a paracetomol or two will help with this pain. |
| 02:12.27 | Tekkub | it actually smelled kinda good |
| 02:12.41 | Icecoldcoke | Did anyone see the video on youtube.. a person licked his shoe for 3minutes to get a beta key |
| 02:12.53 | Tekkub | how does that get you a beta key |
| 02:13.12 | Icecoldcoke | Some random person that gets 2 keys is like oh cool, someone licked their shoe for 3minutes, they should get my 2nd key |
| 02:13.13 | Tekkub | if I worked at Blizzy I'd track his account down and ban him for stupidity |
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| 02:13.29 | Icecoldcoke | Some person is actually sending him a key.. but who knows if tehy really will. |
| 02:13.45 | Tekkub | "Posting sexual content to the forum" |
| 02:13.46 | |pez| | there were guilds who got keys, but not for all members, as far as I know. Might have been a guild contest. |
| 02:13.48 | Icecoldcoke | What was funny about it was that his mother recorded the video. o.O |
| 02:13.49 | NightHawkTheSane | and that just goes to show, why work hard when idiocy is rewarded |
| 02:13.56 | Tekkub | I'm sure there's a dirty shoe fetish out there |
| 02:14.01 | Sixen | oh hey |
| 02:14.03 | Sixen | my guide got stickied.. |
| 02:14.22 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8199280029 -- It took forever =/ |
| 02:14.47 | Icecoldcoke | It takes forever because they are busy deleting thousands of keylogger posts per minute |
| 02:14.48 | |Jelly| | Arrowmaster: ping |
| 02:15.01 | Sixen | On Beta forums, :P |
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| 02:15.20 | Icecoldcoke | I'm pretty sure it's the same forum moderators |
| 02:15.29 | Sixen | Oh truth. |
| 02:15.36 | Sixen | But It's Q&A, so it's Gradina |
| 02:15.45 | |pez| | aw, poop, it says "Don't use when cause of pain is unknown". Damnit paracetomol, you're useless! |
| 02:16.40 | |pez| | ohwell, it actually feels better as long as I'm not lying down. |
| 02:17.04 | Icecoldcoke | Sixen, there is no longer gnome soup since Hortus changed departments, Gradina isn't a gnome.. yet. |
| 02:17.12 | Sixen | Yeah I know, it's sad, :(. |
| 02:17.20 | Sixen | Gradina isn't going to be a Gnome either, according to Hortus, =[/ |
| 02:17.39 | Icecoldcoke | Aww. :( |
| 02:18.08 | Dark_Elf | had a weird thing happen wow ingame today a frame came up with CrbY1 and asked for password, i hit cancel it went away but it doing it on all my horde characters, so thinking it must be an addon |
| 02:18.35 | Tekkub | KEYLOGGER! |
| 02:18.36 | Icecoldcoke | CrbY1 is one of the Carbonite Quest channels.. someone must have set a password for it when they got owner. :/ |
| 02:19.01 | Tekkub | passwording global addon channels is total win |
| 02:19.05 | Dark_Elf | oh |
| 02:19.20 | Dark_Elf | well i use that |
| 02:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: yeah, I agree |
| 02:20.25 | Icecoldcoke | Tekkub: It would have been win if the channels for Carbonite weren't completely optional |
| 02:20.34 | Dark_Elf | then i went offline disabled all mods, and when it loaded, the blizzard chat says something about a gm ticket problem that blizzard is aware of caused by certain addons, i thought dang |
| 02:25.38 | Arrowmaster | |Jelly|: what |
| 02:25.54 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh, i need a new job. |
| 02:27.41 | Tekkub | not very optional now, is it |
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| 02:30.29 | Sixen | If anyone wants to welcome Gradina: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202651552 -- And in turn, you'd be bumping the thread.. But that's subtle. |
| 02:30.30 | Sixen | ;) |
| 02:31.06 | Lunessa | Ugh... An hour to go and I'm dying here. |
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| 02:34.01 | Sixen | Where's here, Lune? |
| 02:34.27 | |pez| | I'm guessing... work. |
| 02:35.28 | Lunessa | work |
| 02:35.41 | |pez| | skills, I has them |
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| 02:35.56 | Icecoldcoke | Sixen: I'll lolbump the thread / welcome. |
| 02:36.01 | Sixen | <3 |
| 02:36.10 | Sixen | Works not fun. |
| 02:40.55 | Icecoldcoke | Hmm. I kind of want to bake some cookies. :) |
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| 02:50.31 | |pez| | Oh, i liked that. Auctioneer takes away soulbound items and items you choose to hide from the stuff you can see in appraisel. |
| 02:54.23 | Shirik | Okay, this is no exaggeration |
| 02:54.26 | Shirik | we just full cleared BT |
| 02:54.31 | Shirik | every single token that dropped was vanquisher |
| 02:54.32 | Shirik | wtf... |
| 02:54.52 | Icecoldcoke | Wait.. you mean something other than protector drops? |
| 02:54.57 | Shirik | every damn token |
| 02:55.22 | Icecoldcoke | I've never once seen protector not drop. |
| 02:55.32 | Icecoldcoke | This is crazy news. |
| 02:55.36 | Shirik | We never get the priest one :( |
| 02:55.39 | Shirik | I forget that, defender? |
| 02:55.40 | Shirik | something like that |
| 02:55.51 | Icecoldcoke | Conquerer I think |
| 02:55.54 | Diao | vanquisher conqueror protector |
| 02:55.56 | Diao | are the 3 t6s |
| 02:56.01 | Shirik | ok well whatever the one I want! |
| 02:56.04 | Diao | defender is t4/t5 |
| 02:56.04 | Shirik | It never drops |
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| 02:56.44 | Icecoldcoke | Reroll shaman warrior hunter. :) |
| 02:57.09 | Diao | granted, we haven't done bt far enough for t6 tokens yet |
| 02:57.15 | Corrodias | the combination of all 3. |
| 02:57.38 | Shirik | Icecoldcoke: I'm not kidding, two weeks ago was our first kill of illidan |
| 02:57.45 | Shirik | tonight, people are getting tokens for their offspecs of T6 chest |
| 02:57.46 | Diao | but in hyjal we always get conqueror and vanquisher |
| 02:57.47 | Shirik | .... wtf |
| 02:57.53 | Shirik | that's beyond not cool |
| 02:57.58 | Diao | haven't seen a single protector yet |
| 02:58.10 | Corrodias | GTA3 - Flashback FM |
| 02:58.11 | Icecoldcoke | I think in my last guild everyone but me had t6 for their 3 offspecs |
| 02:58.16 | Icecoldcoke | I usually dont take offspec loot |
| 02:58.35 | Shirik | Well we don't either |
| 02:58.40 | Shirik | but there's no other use for the tokens! |
| 02:59.10 | Icecoldcoke | You can have a disenchanter take the token, trade it in and disenchant :p |
| 02:59.15 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:59.19 | Shirik | because we need void crystals |
| 02:59.27 | Icecoldcoke | Actually |
| 02:59.28 | Diao | yeah.. who actually needs void crystals these days |
| 02:59.31 | Icecoldcoke | I don't think you can DE t6 |
| 02:59.34 | Icecoldcoke | Or any tier |
| 02:59.37 | Diao | you can |
| 02:59.38 | NightHawkTheSane | you can |
| 02:59.39 | Icecoldcoke | Below 4 |
| 02:59.45 | Icecoldcoke | I've never tried |
| 02:59.49 | Diao | we've DEd both t4 and t5 |
| 02:59.49 | Corrodias | 6 is not below 4 |
| 02:59.55 | Icecoldcoke | I mean |
| 02:59.56 | Icecoldcoke | above 4 |
| 02:59.57 | Icecoldcoke | :p |
| 02:59.59 | Corrodias | :) |
| 02:59.59 | Diao | still getting t6, so haven't tested that yet |
| 03:00.04 | Diao | but we have definitely been able to DE both 4 and 5 |
| 03:00.08 | NightHawkTheSane | there's no reason why you couldn't |
| 03:00.24 | Icecoldcoke | Well you can't vendor it........ or trade it in for your new main spec. >_> |
| 03:00.31 | Diao | ..what? |
| 03:00.59 | Icecoldcoke | ..wht? |
| 03:01.09 | Diao | oh |
| 03:01.12 | Diao | never tried vendoring |
| 03:01.15 | Diao | maybe it's not possible to vendor |
| 03:01.23 | Diao | since all my characters are enchanters... lol |
| 03:01.23 | NightHawkTheSane | that would be nice, actually, if you could trade in an existing tier piece for a different version of the same piece, maybe for a small fee. |
| 03:01.46 | Diao | i don't think you can vendor any tier pieces, actually |
| 03:01.56 | Icecoldcoke | Yeah, but with the changes to spellpower in WOTLK, for healers it wont be a problem |
| 03:02.02 | Icecoldcoke | Other than lower crit hit rating etc |
| 03:02.19 | Diao | yeah.. only tanks will still have a problem :P |
| 03:02.24 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it wont be a problem as a "fill in" piece, but to change your main spec you cant really just use your heal gear and call it good |
| 03:02.35 | NightHawkTheSane | (or vise versa) |
| 03:02.56 | NightHawkTheSane | and even so, that actuall only applies to shaman, priests, and maybe druids. |
| 03:03.25 | Icecoldcoke | Shaman would just have a huge lack of MP5 going from ele to resto.. then resto to ele would be very low crit |
| 03:04.02 | NightHawkTheSane | (not to mention the lack, or excess of hit) |
| 03:04.21 | Icecoldcoke | Well.. ele shaman only need like 54 hit |
| 03:04.30 | Icecoldcoke | And that's reallllllllyyy easy to get |
| 03:04.44 | Icecoldcoke | OR was that enhance shaman |
| 03:04.45 | NightHawkTheSane | they'll need more in wrath, the 3% in the resto tree is being removed |
| 03:05.11 | NightHawkTheSane | currently in live, ele shaman can get 12% from talents, they'll only get 9% in wrath. |
| 03:05.14 | Icecoldcoke | Well by 80 when it actually matters.. I would hope they have better ele gear. |
| 03:05.49 | NightHawkTheSane | well, im speaking in general, not merely about the transition from raiding to leveling when wrath hits :P |
| 03:06.01 | NightHawkTheSane | (in regards to changing roles/gear) |
| 03:06.39 | Icecoldcoke | It's been suggested to be able to change your tier gear thousands of times |
| 03:07.03 | Icecoldcoke | I don't think they'll actually do it because the people that worked to get that gear as their mainspec will be like.. well I dont want to spec healing, why would people get what I worked for |
| 03:07.26 | Icecoldcoke | Then there is a huge amount of dps over healers etc |
| 03:07.55 | NightHawkTheSane | aside from whiny morons, i dont see the problem :P |
| 03:08.17 | Icecoldcoke | Whiny morons is 90% of the WoW Population though |
| 03:08.35 | NightHawkTheSane | 90% of the world population, to be sure. |
| 03:09.31 | Icecoldcoke | I'm not sure about that.. 90% of the US population |
| 03:09.45 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, sturgeon's law, 90% of everything is crud. :P |
| 03:09.51 | Icecoldcoke | Oh. |
| 03:12.24 | Icecoldcoke | This person on my server has a crazy idea for every single person on the server to be in the same exact guild |
| 03:25.47 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/8/worthless-1000-i-am-rich-iphone-app-disappears#comments |
| 03:26.18 | Shirik | wait |
| 03:26.21 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 didn't link that |
| 03:26.23 | Shirik | jaxdahl: http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/8/worthless-1000-i-am-rich-iphone-app-disappears#comments |
| 03:27.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 03:35.43 | Lunessa | ciao tutti. |
| 03:35.56 | |Jelly| | BAI! |
| 03:43.45 | jaxdahl | lol |
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| 03:44.56 | Kraps | which is the best healing class |
| 03:45.33 | sacarasc | warrior |
| 03:46.14 | Kraps | haha |
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| 03:51.07 | Nechckn | there is no real best- for different instances and group layouts, each have benefits |
| 03:51.52 | Nechckn | if you are looking to do certain things- like high end raiding or arena, read some of the *many* discussions with the pros and cons of each |
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| 03:58.17 | Codayus | Nechckn is quite right. Every class is best in some situations for some purposes. And it'll all chance in wrath anyhow. *shrug* |
| 03:58.17 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 03:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Linked on my guild forums: http://www.ouchytheclown.com/index.htm (technically nsfw) |
| 03:59.15 | Nechckn | lol... nice, ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That is amazingly disturbing |
| 03:59.32 | Nechckn | "Adult Clown Services" |
| 03:59.38 | Nechckn | that is just so wrong |
| 03:59.41 | Codayus | Say's it all really... |
| 04:01.28 | Dashkal | that is... |
| 04:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Hint: it's regular bleach |
| 04:02.28 | Nechckn | Brain bleach- so, you're on the crack again? |
| 04:03.06 | Nechckn | I hear a couple of good huffs from some Rust-o-leum works too |
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| 04:03.53 | Dashkal | Of course I'm on the crack |
| 04:03.58 | Dashkal | What do you think this game is... |
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| 04:05.32 | moocow1337 | hi everybody |
| 04:05.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Hi Doctor nick! |
| 04:05.47 | moocow1337 | THANK YOU -.- |
| 04:05.49 | Kraps | whats a disc priest for |
| 04:05.56 | sacarasc | buffing |
| 04:05.59 | NightHawkTheSane | spirit bitch |
| 04:05.59 | moocow1337 | nobody has gotten that yet |
| 04:06.03 | moocow1337 | anyways |
| 04:06.09 | moocow1337 | is anyone elses quest helper not working? |
| 04:06.26 | Codayus | Kraps: PvP |
| 04:06.28 | Kraps | like an arcane mage |
| 04:06.55 | NightHawkTheSane | they make good pve healers |
| 04:06.57 | Kraps | moocow1337: its buggy, but it works |
| 04:07.07 | illixil | mines not working =[ |
| 04:07.13 | NightHawkTheSane | power infusion and pain suppression are nice |
| 04:07.43 | ScytheBlade1 | A disc priest is for PvP |
| 04:07.52 | ScytheBlade1 | A holy/shadow priest is for PvE |
| 04:08.01 | Diao | shadow can be good for pvp too :P |
| 04:08.06 | ScytheBlade1 | true |
| 04:08.12 | NightHawkTheSane | disc priets are fine in pve |
| 04:08.26 | Codayus | NightHawkTheSane: If by "pve" you mean "questing"... |
| 04:08.37 | ScytheBlade1 | They don't even compare to their PvP ability though :P |
| 04:08.38 | Diao | lol |
| 04:08.48 | Diao | i would never bring a full disc priest to a serious raid |
| 04:08.49 | Kraps | can you give an example of a holy/shadow pve build |
| 04:08.53 | Codayus | Or if by "fine" you mean "missing many core abilities and with weaker heals". |
| 04:08.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: the times i've had a disc priest in the raid they did fine. |
| 04:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry, holy "or" shadow |
| 04:09.04 | Kalroth | Disc priests are fine in PvE, if you couldn't get any healers. :) |
| 04:09.05 | ScytheBlade1 | not holy/shadow spec |
| 04:09.10 | NightHawkTheSane | by fine, i mean solidly average healing |
| 04:09.26 | Kraps | ok for soloing |
| 04:09.37 | NightHawkTheSane | which, arguably, could be as much attributed to the player in question as the spec |
| 04:09.51 | Codayus | NightHawkTheSane: Then your other healers suck? I mean, if you're deep disc, then you're missing a bunch of important holy talents. |
| 04:10.09 | Codayus | And in return, you get...nothing. |
| 04:10.15 | NightHawkTheSane | I certainly don't suck. And I'm not saying they were topping healing meters |
| 04:10.18 | NightHawkTheSane | but they werent at the bottom either,. |
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| 04:10.55 | Codayus | Meh, healing meters are almost useless. |
| 04:11.03 | Kraps | but holy isnt the most efficient solo lvling build right |
| 04:11.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i agree, but it's fairly difficult to judge a healer by other means :\ |
| 04:11.39 | Kraps | shadow is |
| 04:11.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That's only because of how easy it is to judge a meter |
| 04:11.52 | NightHawkTheSane | any dps spec is going to be more efficiant than non-dps specs. |
| 04:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | "1" is not "2" |
| 04:12.07 | Mikk | Holy DPS is perfectly viable as 5man dps |
| 04:12.14 | Diao | in terms of healing throughput and mana efficiency |
| 04:12.15 | Mikk | It's thirsty as fuck though |
| 04:12.17 | Diao | disc is far behind any other healer |
| 04:12.42 | Mikk | Loads of crit & chain instant smites ftw |
| 04:12.44 | Codayus | NightHawkTheSane: Agreed. Still. Deep disc priest means your heals will be more expensive, weaker, AND you'll have less mana. And by noticable amounts on all three counts... |
| 04:13.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: im not arguing the point. :p i'm just speaking from my observations having been in a raid with a deep disc priest. |
| 04:13.38 | NightHawkTheSane | but, to be sure, i'm not really one for hardcore raid optimization either. |
| 04:14.07 | Mikk | Yeah but standing around being the OOM priest and pots on CD |
| 04:14.13 | Mikk | while the rest are still at 75% without using pots |
| 04:14.15 | Mikk | =) |
| 04:14.29 | Codayus | (Now in Wrath...perhaps things will be more even...) |
| 04:14.44 | Diao | I doubt it.. looks like holy is the superior raid spec again, with 1 deep disc for teh buffs to MT |
| 04:15.00 | Codayus | Diao: Yeah, but it may work out that the difference isn't as huge. |
| 04:15.17 | Diao | unless they make some changes to disc.. the talents as they are now look to be pushing disc and holy the same |
| 04:15.30 | Diao | ie, disc is for buffing while holy is for actual healing |
| 04:15.38 | Kalroth | It's like that today, we take up to 3 priests in the raid. It's (usually) always Imp DS and 1-2 CoH spec |
| 04:15.50 | Diao | right now, we use an alt priest to buff the raid with imp DS |
| 04:15.53 | Diao | and all priests are CoH |
| 04:15.54 | Diao | lol |
| 04:15.56 | Codayus | Heh |
| 04:16.08 | Kalroth | We don't bother with outside buffing, too much time wasted |
| 04:17.05 | Diao | but yeah.. i can't see any guild bringing more than 1 disc priest if they're min-maxing in wrath |
| 04:19.36 | Codayus | Yeah, but... If the difference isn't too big, a lot of guilds won't care. I wouldn't worry in TBC about having two SV hunters, because they're not MUCH worse than BM. |
| 04:20.16 | Kraps | hunters are just for traps anyway ;P |
| 04:20.25 | Diao | traps in raids? O_o |
| 04:20.30 | NightHawkTheSane | not so much when raiding |
| 04:20.43 | Diao | I'm waiting for the warrior pass though |
| 04:20.47 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, traps arn't stunningly useful in 5-mans as it is |
| 04:20.58 | Diao | as far as I've read.. warriors are completely broken in beta atm |
| 04:21.01 | Kraps | <--- never went raiding and will shut up now |
| 04:21.12 | Diao | and i mean broken in a bad way :P |
| 04:21.35 | Kraps | imp mortal strike ftl |
| 04:21.41 | Kraps | rreally |
| 04:21.55 | Kalroth | I'm not worried about arms/fury warriors, it's the prot spec I'm worried about |
| 04:22.03 | Kraps | ah |
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| 04:22.17 | Diao | all of the specs are currently terrible |
| 04:22.17 | Diao | :( |
| 04:22.26 | Kalroth | dps will always be secondary for warriors, it's tanking that they excel at |
| 04:22.29 | Kraps | have a while till i worry about prot |
| 04:23.01 | Diao | dps may be secondary, but good warriors can compete with anyone for top dps :) |
| 04:23.22 | Mikk | myeah give em windfury and a BM warrior and they rip lose pretty good |
| 04:23.27 | Mikk | BM hunter even |
| 04:23.51 | Kraps | why the hunter |
| 04:23.55 | Mikk | problem is.. if you're running with 3 rogues, they'll be the ones getting the shammy+hunter =) |
| 04:24.04 | Mikk | BM hunters give group AP buffs |
| 04:24.15 | Diao | erm |
| 04:24.18 | Diao | they give group damage buff |
| 04:24.20 | Diao | not group ap :o |
| 04:24.39 | Kraps | lotp |
| 04:24.49 | Diao | that's feral druid, and lotp is crit, not ap |
| 04:24.50 | NightHawkTheSane | thats duids |
| 04:24.56 | Kraps | gah |
| 04:24.59 | Mikk | haha |
| 04:25.01 | Diao | and if you have 3 rogues and a dps warrior |
| 04:25.02 | Mikk | we win at confusion! |
| 04:25.04 | Diao | they will be grouped with the shaman |
| 04:25.05 | Mikk | oh yeah |
| 04:25.08 | Mikk | shout |
| 04:25.10 | Mikk | nvm me! |
| 04:25.13 | Diao | because battleshout is the best dps boost for rogues |
| 04:25.16 | Mikk | srsly i'll just go drink some coffee |
| 04:25.20 | Diao | out of FI, BS, and LotP |
| 04:25.26 | Kalroth | 3 rogs + arms warrior + enhance shaman |
| 04:25.32 | Kalroth | 3 hunters + feral druid + resto shaman |
| 04:25.43 | Diao | & |
| 04:25.47 | Diao | ^, rather |
| 04:26.01 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, i was usually the resto shaman in that group |
| 04:26.16 | Diao | it's nice how we won't have to stack groups in wrath |
| 04:26.18 | Codayus | If you're taking a ret pally, they work well subbed for one of the rogues. |
| 04:26.20 | Diao | with nearly all buffs becoming raidwide |
| 04:26.30 | Diao | no more fighting over the windfury group |
| 04:26.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Diao: well, some groups may still be stacked, not everything is raid wide |
| 04:26.31 | Codayus | ...not saying you SHOULD take a ret pally, just saying if you do... :-p |
| 04:26.31 | Mikk | thank fuck |
| 04:26.36 | Diao | well, yeah |
| 04:26.48 | Codayus | And yeah, raid wide auras = omg, nightmare over |
| 04:26.49 | Mikk | and ret pallies do near-rogue levels of damage on their own.. PLUS the raidwide buff on the target |
| 04:26.56 | NightHawkTheSane | lotp, i think, is still just group, not sure if VT/VE is |
| 04:26.57 | Mikk | so they're well worth taking tbh |
| 04:26.57 | Diao | raid wide auras? o_O |
| 04:27.05 | Mikk | i said on the target |
| 04:27.10 | Diao | oh |
| 04:27.13 | Diao | the debuff, yeah |
| 04:27.20 | Kalroth | <Mikk> and ret pallies do near-rogue levels of damage on their own <- wut? |
| 04:27.23 | Diao | i meant what Codayus said |
| 04:27.30 | Kalroth | are your rogues that lousy? :p |
| 04:27.32 | NightHawkTheSane | pally auras are raid wide in wrath |
| 04:27.34 | Mikk | Kalroth: get better ret pally if yours doesnt =) |
| 04:27.35 | Diao | ever seen a decked blood elf paladin Kalroth? |
| 04:27.44 | Kalroth | uhm, they barely break 2k |
| 04:27.46 | Diao | we have one on blackrock in Nurfed |
| 04:27.56 | Kraps | who said warriors are broken in beta |
| 04:27.57 | Diao | with the 2h sword off KJ |
| 04:28.00 | Codayus | Kalroth: Mikk must have better ret pallies than I do. Still, a ret pally isn't a complete waste of space counting buffs and so on. |
| 04:28.03 | Diao | and he beats rogues on damage |
| 04:28.12 | Diao | rogues in t6 + warglaives even |
| 04:28.14 | Codayus | Also, of course, I'm alliance. |
| 04:28.21 | Diao | haste + seal of blood is so good |
| 04:28.25 | Codayus | Alliance ret pallies = lawl. No seal of blood. :-( |
| 04:28.25 | Mikk | Yeah ret pallies have mana problems without bloodelf hax |
| 04:28.27 | Kalroth | a ret paladin is worth bringing if you only bring 2 holy or 1 holy + 1 prot, eg. for the third blessing |
| 04:28.34 | Kalroth | otherwise I'd prefer a pure dps class |
| 04:28.36 | Mikk | And seal of hax |
| 04:28.41 | Diao | a ret paladin is always worth bringing, imo |
| 04:28.49 | Mikk | Kalroth: There's also the fact that he'll be keeping judgements up |
| 04:28.54 | Mikk | Which can certainly be benefitial |
| 04:28.55 | Diao | imp might, 3% crit for entire raid, 2% damage to party |
| 04:29.04 | Diao | and keeping all judgements up |
| 04:29.10 | Kalroth | benefitial, sure - but not required |
| 04:29.14 | Mikk | nono |
| 04:29.28 | Mikk | can you think of any class that's always required, really? =p |
| 04:29.29 | Kalroth | and a protadin can keep judgements up |
| 04:29.43 | Diao | a protadin can't keep other peoples' judgements up |
| 04:29.45 | Diao | a retadin can |
| 04:30.01 | Kalroth | can a retadin without lowering his dps? |
| 04:30.03 | Mikk | yes |
| 04:30.04 | Diao | yes |
| 04:30.05 | Codayus | And ret pallies can OT/OH some stuff alright - extra flexibility in some content without having to swap people in and out of the raid. |
| 04:30.09 | Diao | crusader strike automatically refreshes ALL judgements |
| 04:30.10 | Codayus | Kalroth: Yeah, crusader strike. |
| 04:30.13 | Kalroth | ah |
| 04:30.18 | Diao | which is insanely good |
| 04:30.22 | Diao | keeping up light, wisdom, and crusader |
| 04:30.26 | Mikk | Codayus: that's what you have rogues fer :P |
| 04:30.28 | Mikk | Err... |
| 04:30.31 | Mikk | Ferals |
| 04:30.32 | Diao | all your other paladins have to do is drop 1 judgement at the beginning of the fight |
| 04:30.37 | Mikk | But yeah rogues can do it too these days... hax =P |
| 04:30.40 | Kalroth | Mikk: and warriors |
| 04:30.57 | Kalroth | eg. I offtank Sentinels on M'uru as a warrior :P |
| 04:31.06 | Codayus | Keeping wisdom up makes hunters happy... |
| 04:31.20 | Mikk | And mages.. and warlocks.. |
| 04:31.25 | Diao | yep |
| 04:31.29 | NightHawkTheSane | and, you know, any ranged mana using class |
| 04:31.31 | Mikk | Yeah - a warlock will just tap.. but tapping = lost dps time |
| 04:31.36 | Codayus | And various others. I'm still not convinced ret pally is optimal, at least for alliance, but they do fine. |
| 04:31.49 | Mikk | Well.. do the math for your raid setup |
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| 04:31.57 | Mikk | the aura for the pally's group, and the +3% crit |
| 04:32.07 | Kalroth | 3% raid crit is only like 1.3% extra dps |
| 04:32.15 | Mikk | for lots of people |
| 04:32.21 | Codayus | Too much trouble. And how do you value keeping judgements up? WAY dependent on random factors... |
| 04:32.55 | Mikk | Yeah the maths are certainly nontrivial |
| 04:33.02 | Codayus | Of course, the real question is, "do you have a ret pally hanging around whining about getting in?" That's the main question. :-p |
| 04:33.15 | Mikk | I'm just saying that ret pallies shouldn't just be dismissed out-of-hand as "lol" anymore |
| 04:33.18 | Kalroth | We don't have any ret paladins, we only have holy paladins that respecs sometimes :) |
| 04:33.20 | Mikk | The way they always used to be |
| 04:33.35 | Codayus | Mikk: Agreed. |
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| 04:33.48 | Mikk | But yeah they don't really stack. It's 0 or 1. 2 is probably a loss. |
| 04:34.05 | Kalroth | The only "lol" ret paladins are those that expect to be it 100% and refuse to respec prot/holy at times. |
| 04:34.13 | Codayus | True of everyone, no? |
| 04:34.20 | Kalroth | "BUT I R DPS, WHY U WANT HOLLY???" |
| 04:34.23 | Codayus | Well, apart frm rogues, maybe. |
| 04:34.27 | Kalroth | and hunters |
| 04:34.29 | Kalroth | and mages |
| 04:34.35 | Kalroth | and warlocks |
| 04:34.36 | Aiiane | and warlocks |
| 04:34.38 | Kalroth | and .. :) |
| 04:34.38 | Aiiane | ^ |
| 04:34.43 | Codayus | Eh, hunters...you might someone to spec from BM to SV or back. |
| 04:34.47 | Kalroth | why? |
| 04:34.55 | Diao | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Bru <- check out his profile |
| 04:35.01 | Aiiane | 1 surv hunter is worth it for min/maxing |
| 04:35.08 | Kalroth | I can't think of a single encounter where we've told our huntards to respec :) |
| 04:35.09 | Codayus | Warlocks you MIGHT want affliction for some fights, and you may want weird specs for tanking Leo or kiting things on a couple T5 fights... |
| 04:35.12 | Diao | that guy is always like top 5 dps |
| 04:35.13 | Diao | in nurfed |
| 04:35.48 | Kalroth | Diao: He bloody well be up there, with that kind of gear |
| 04:35.50 | Codayus | Mages...hrm, not too often I suppose. *shrug* |
| 04:36.10 | Codayus | Tell them to spec frost when fighting lava packs in MC? :-p |
| 04:36.25 | cncfanatics | I was fire on those back then |
| 04:36.30 | cncfanatics | and still topped dps cuz the others were slackers |
| 04:36.30 | Diao | well, you have to remember he's competing with people on the same gear level, Kalroth :p |
| 04:36.32 | Kalroth | We actually use a frost mage for Illidan, makes the demons rather trivial :p |
| 04:36.41 | Codayus | Yeah, minmaxing and MC = lol? |
| 04:36.59 | illixil | anyone know of any other quest helpers? |
| 04:37.08 | illixil | cause... QuestHelper is broke |
| 04:37.08 | illixil | =[ |
| 04:37.10 | cncfanatics | no free ones, illixil |
| 04:37.12 | illixil | oh |
| 04:37.12 | cncfanatics | and its working for me |
| 04:37.13 | illixil | damn |
| 04:37.13 | Codayus | Most weeks we'd lose a tank and least once just because all 15 healers or whatever were afk/distracted/bored/off making a sandwich at once... |
| 04:37.15 | Kraps | what does min/maxing mean |
| 04:37.28 | cncfanatics | Codayus: lol |
| 04:37.34 | cncfanatics | Kraps: optimizing |
| 04:37.55 | Kraps | which means what |
| 04:37.56 | Codayus | Kraps: Um, min/maxing is...making sure you're the best you can possibly be at one thing, even if it means you suck at everything else? |
| 04:38.09 | Kalroth | Kraps: Tell people with sub-optimal specs to go respec |
| 04:38.29 | Codayus | So if your raiding, you spec PURELY for raiding, no pvp talents. That sort of thing. |
| 04:38.44 | Kraps | ah |
| 04:38.46 | Diao | minimizing your weaknesses, maximizing your strengths |
| 04:38.46 | Diao | :) |
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| 04:38.49 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 04:38.53 | Kalroth | eg. a rogue with pvp spec can go jump off a cliff, while a rogue with combat spec gets a raid invite :) |
| 04:39.32 | NightHawkTheSane | buy a dictionary, look up optimizing. :P |
| 04:40.27 | Aiiane | true min maxing is a rogue with pvp spec, no pots/flasks, no food, no enchants, or wrong gems can go jump off a cliff |
| 04:40.27 | Kraps | lol i know what optimizing means |
| 04:40.27 | Kalroth | But it's more than that, since not all wow players are good (o rly!), it often also means bringing "lesser" specs/classes with good players over "great" specs/classes with poor players. |
| 04:40.43 | Aiiane | its basically just doing everything you possibly can to get an edge in a fight |
| 04:40.47 | Diao | Aiiane: don't forget, must have leatherworking for drums :) |
| 04:40.49 | Kalroth | eg. we had a rogue that I'd invite even if he was pvp spec, because I knew he'd still do equal or more damage than our pve spec rogues. :) |
| 04:40.51 | Diao | and enchanting for ring enchants |
| 04:41.06 | Kalroth | I can't wait for Wrath, so I can drop LW again |
| 04:41.09 | Kalroth | fucking drums |
| 04:41.16 | Codayus | Heh |
| 04:41.49 | Codayus | Now in wrath you'll have to level BS to add a socket, then drop it again for a gathering profession, then repeat every time you get a new weapon! |
| 04:41.53 | Codayus | :-p |
| 04:41.57 | Diao | lol |
| 04:42.03 | Kalroth | I got BS already, not going to drop it :) |
| 04:42.03 | Diao | you can only add sockets for your own gear? |
| 04:42.05 | cncfanatics | Codayus: can't BS'ers add sockets to ur wep ? :p |
| 04:42.12 | cncfanatics | they better can |
| 04:42.22 | Codayus | cncfanatics: No idea. Last I heard the skill was bugged and was taking up the enchant slot. |
| 04:42.26 | Kalroth | I got two characters, my main with BS/LW and alt with JC/Enchant :) |
| 04:42.30 | cncfanatics | if they can't its the new LW |
| 04:42.31 | Codayus | I assume it's going to change heavily before it goes live. |
| 04:42.47 | Diao | not being able to socket other peoples' gear |
| 04:42.48 | Kalroth | third char with herb/skinning |
| 04:42.51 | Diao | seems kinda lame |
| 04:42.59 | Codayus | *shrug* |
| 04:43.08 | Codayus | Meh, every profession needs SOME bonus to the crafter. |
| 04:43.23 | Diao | what i wonder is.. |
| 04:43.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: well, one would assuem that's BoP gear, but *shrug* |
| 04:43.36 | Codayus | Buff/BoP items/self only enchants/whatever. If it's not sockets it'll be something else. And sockets would be nifty. |
| 04:43.38 | Diao | for inscription, since the inscriber gets the bonus inscription |
| 04:43.52 | Diao | if you drop inscription.. do you automatically lose your inscribed spells :O |
| 04:44.08 | Codayus | Besides, if you can socket other peoples gear, then Bliz will just balance the content with the assumption everyone will have a socket added. :-p |
| 04:44.22 | Diao | because if not, then it might be worth getting 450 inscription |
| 04:44.33 | Diao | just to get all the inscriptions for your spells, then dropping it immediately |
| 04:44.35 | Codayus | And drop it? Oo |
| 04:44.46 | Codayus | Scary. |
| 04:44.47 | Diao | since there aren't really any "spell upgrades" |
| 04:44.54 | NightHawkTheSane | same reason people level JC for trinkets and drop it |
| 04:45.00 | Diao | yeah |
| 04:45.03 | Diao | or the gems |
| 04:45.07 | Diao | just stock up on the gems early |
| 04:45.10 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 04:45.12 | Diao | the unique-equipped bop ones |
| 04:45.14 | Diao | then drop jc |
| 04:45.18 | Codayus | Or engineering; a couple toys are BoP but don't require engineering skill. |
| 04:45.23 | Diao | yep |
| 04:45.36 | Diao | my warrior mainis ench/bs |
| 04:45.54 | Diao | i'll probably drop bs, pick up inscription and get my bonus inscription, then drop it and go bs again |
| 04:45.56 | Diao | for the sockets |
| 04:46.01 | cncfanatics | don't JC trinkets actualy require 350 JC skill ? |
| 04:46.10 | NightHawkTheSane | no, they're just bop. |
| 04:46.16 | Diao | nope, they're just bop |
| 04:46.33 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 04:46.44 | Diao | and the only reason i'd drop bs over ench is that the mats to re-level it are easier to get, and i have a lot of rare ench recipes |
| 04:46.47 | cncfanatics | if JC wasnt so expensive to lvl I'd get em now :p |
| 04:46.59 | End | I can't think of any of the JC special stuff that specifically requires JC |
| 04:47.09 | End | and leveling JC isn't the expensive parts |
| 04:47.12 | End | it's the patterns ;-p |
| 04:47.21 | Codayus | Leveling JC isn't cheap either. |
| 04:47.23 | End | I'd estimate I've spent 10k gold on patterns |
| 04:47.32 | Codayus | Even if, yeah, patterns are crazy expensive. |
| 04:47.34 | cncfanatics | well, my rogue is JC |
| 04:47.38 | End | meh, 1000g at most for leveling it |
| 04:47.40 | cncfanatics | cba to get my druid JC just for trinks |
| 04:47.45 | End | but |
| 04:47.50 | End | I did get a lot of shit from mining |
| 04:48.17 | Diao | but the point is, if ench/bs offer the best |
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| 04:48.28 | Diao | then those will be the raid profs to be :P |
| 04:48.42 | NightHawkTheSane | only if you really care about that though |
| 04:48.42 | End | (I might add, the 10k gold or so was for -all- the patterns) |
| 04:48.49 | Diao | although.. if only bs can add sockets to their own weapons it might be strange to see classes like mage picking up bs for a socket :P |
| 04:48.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i really can't be bothered putting the effort into min/maxing that much |
| 04:49.14 | End | currently, it's leatherworking, but I doubt that'll stick |
| 04:49.16 | Diao | it's not much effort |
| 04:49.19 | End | I mean in TBC :P |
| 04:49.25 | Diao | a week of dailies |
| 04:49.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Diao: it's just on the other side of the amount of effort i'm willing to spend. :P |
| 04:49.36 | Diao | lol |
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| 04:50.18 | Codayus | Diao: Well, if you ask me, even if the BS "reward" is weapons, there's no good reason why they shouldn't get a BoP caster weapon pattern. |
| 04:50.36 | End | why..for pally tanks? :P |
| 04:50.43 | Codayus | End: For mages. Duh. |
| 04:50.51 | NightHawkTheSane | End: actually, that would be nice >.> |
| 04:51.00 | End | it'd be a silly mage that would pick up BS |
| 04:51.10 | End | unless -really- crazy good |
| 04:51.18 | Codayus | End: Not if they had a BoP caster weapon pattern! |
| 04:51.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd consider changing it, but i spent so much time and money leveling it and making stuff.. |
| 04:52.02 | End | there is an epic healer BS mace that I can think of off hand, but that's BoE |
| 04:52.33 | Codayus | My larger point is, the main reason to pick a profession is the BoP/self-only rewards. Some professions benefit everyone (JCing, enchanting) some don't. Might be nice if the ones that don't DID. |
| 04:52.44 | End | well |
| 04:52.55 | End | there's some benefit while leveling too, since you can make your own gear |
| 04:53.01 | Codayus | And it's perfectly thermatically sensible for BSing to get a BoP caster weapon (and healer weapon). |
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| 04:54.01 | Codayus | Kinda, although that's a good way to bankrupt yourself to create mediocre gear in my experience. |
| 04:54.12 | End | I dunno, it seems weird, but prot paladins would like it anyways |
| 04:54.15 | NightHawkTheSane | End: meh, unless it's an alt and you're feeding it mats, its not really feasible to make your gear via a crafting profession |
| 04:54.25 | End | ok, that's true |
| 04:54.29 | End | I created a hunter |
| 04:54.34 | End | he made 35g to get to level 30 |
| 04:54.37 | NightHawkTheSane | which, in my opinion, is the biggest failure of crafting profs. |
| 04:54.45 | End | and spend 25g on FUCKING TRAINING |
| 04:54.54 | End | most which was on leatherworking |
| 04:55.07 | End | (as well as class, FA, and skinning) |
| 04:55.23 | Codayus | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, my first char was a alchemist/herbalist rogue. |
| 04:55.28 | Kraps | a staff is the preferred priest weap right/ |
| 04:55.36 | End | my point is though, I had to send gold for that char to get mount |
| 04:55.38 | Diao | depends on the priest |
| 04:55.45 | Diao | some like weapon/oh over staff |
| 04:55.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: generally speaking, there's no difference. |
| 04:55.53 | End | it's usually a staff |
| 04:55.54 | End | or a mace |
| 04:56.05 | Codayus | "Dude, I can make elixirs! Kickass! I still remember running around Arathi, questing, while buffed with whatever elixirs I could make... |
| 04:56.24 | End | they don't make healing daggers, so it's probably only a shadow priest you would see with a dagger |
| 04:56.26 | Codayus | I was sooo broke. :-( |
| 04:56.31 | End | yeah |
| 04:56.36 | Diao | there are healing daggers.. they're just very rare and not in raids |
| 04:56.38 | End | my druid started out with leatherworking |
| 04:56.47 | End | it was...expensive |
| 04:56.53 | NightHawkTheSane | I think there's a healing dagger from a Terokkar quest. |
| 04:56.58 | Kraps | so staff or mace |
| 04:57.25 | Codayus | I pity the people who try to level up as a blacksmith. |
| 04:57.27 | End | and actually, haha, now that I think about it...I get more benefit from my high level characters sending low levels crafted gear |
| 04:57.28 | NightHawkTheSane | staff or mace & oh, yeah. |
| 04:57.36 | End | my low level chars tend to be too far behind on their skill |
| 04:58.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Codayus: I did on my pally, but I had 2 70 alts (one of which is a miner), so it wasn't terribly painful until the 350->375 bit. |
| 04:58.25 | Codayus | Yeah, I meant, as their first char - not a twink... |
| 04:58.30 | NightHawkTheSane | er, i guess my 70's arn't really alts, per say.. meh |
| 04:58.42 | NightHawkTheSane | "per se"* actually.. i think. |
| 04:58.54 | Diao | yeah, that's right |
| 04:59.15 | Diao | I leveled with BS |
| 04:59.28 | Diao | in fact, i leveled as ench/bs |
| 04:59.34 | Diao | as my first character on my current server |
| 04:59.42 | End | wow |
| 04:59.49 | NightHawkTheSane | that sounds.. painful |
| 04:59.49 | End | do you hate yourself? |
| 04:59.55 | Diao | i did have 10 60s on other servers pre-bc though |
| 04:59.56 | Diao | well |
| 05:00.05 | Diao | i had my gf leveling with me, and she was mining/bs :p |
| 05:00.09 | Diao | so i borrowed her char to mine things |
| 05:00.16 | Kraps | ok... my warrior is a Bs |
| 05:00.17 | End | ah, that helps |
| 05:00.18 | Diao | and we had plenty of extra ore to sell |
| 05:00.27 | Kraps | and it sucks |
| 05:01.09 | End | the only non-gathering that didn't annoying me in the last strech from 250-300 or so was tailoring |
| 05:01.30 | Diao | well, cloth is so common.. :P |
| 05:01.31 | Codayus | Tailoring is pretty easy to level, yeah. |
| 05:01.51 | End | jewelcrafting took my mining up to 350 trying to get thorium though :P |
| 05:01.58 | Diao | lol |
| 05:02.17 | End | yeah, I'm not dropping jewelcrafting :P |
| 05:02.28 | End | not after that! |
| 05:02.29 | Diao | i thought about going JC on my warrior and dropping BS |
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| 05:02.38 | Diao | then i looked at the gems.. and they're all AP, not strength |
| 05:02.40 | Diao | so I decided against it. |
| 05:02.47 | End | the gems? |
| 05:02.53 | Diao | yeah, the unique-equipped JC-only ones |
| 05:02.57 | Diao | that are BoP |
| 05:02.59 | End | I think there's an AP one |
| 05:03.06 | Diao | yeah, that's what I mean |
| 05:03.07 | End | the selection is too limited though |
| 05:03.08 | Kraps | im trying to lvl my mage with tailoring, i farm the mats with my warrior |
| 05:03.12 | Diao | they're all AP.. no strength ones |
| 05:03.15 | End | oh |
| 05:03.19 | Diao | and as a min-maxer, i take str > ap |
| 05:03.19 | End | sorry, misread |
| 05:03.24 | Diao | due to kings :) |
| 05:03.58 | End | it annoys me there aren't hybrid JC-only too |
| 05:04.07 | Diao | hybrid? |
| 05:04.11 | End | orange |
| 05:04.19 | End | (or green or purple) |
| 05:04.37 | Diao | oh |
| 05:04.40 | End | sorry, I say hybrid because its two colors mashed together :P |
| 05:04.47 | Diao | yeah, i understand |
| 05:05.59 | Diao | also, i'd like to ask blizzard where the tank ring enchants are in wrath :( |
| 05:06.05 | Diao | i don't want to be stuck using +4 stats forever |
| 05:06.15 | End | yeah, itemization was really bad on those |
| 05:06.22 | illixil | okay so i think i figured out why my questhelper wasnt working |
| 05:06.25 | End | well, is |
| 05:06.30 | Diao | i mean, they finally itemized an AP enchant for dps melee |
| 05:06.35 | illixil | its cause i'm dumb |
| 05:06.36 | Diao | but they forgot about the tanks again |
| 05:06.36 | illixil | =D |
| 05:06.57 | End | well, there's the +damage ones they started with |
| 05:07.08 | End | I guess they finally added AP though? |
| 05:07.17 | Diao | yeah |
| 05:07.24 | Diao | there's new ap, damage, and healing |
| 05:07.25 | cncfanatics | WTB sta ring encha for tanks |
| 05:07.28 | Diao | but no stats.. |
| 05:07.35 | Diao | wtb a new stats version |
| 05:07.37 | Diao | like +8 or +10 stats |
| 05:07.38 | cncfanatics | there's no healing in wrath |
| 05:07.44 | cncfanatics | only spellpower |
| 05:07.50 | Diao | well, spellpower serves as healing |
| 05:07.55 | cncfanatics | yea ofc :p |
| 05:07.57 | End | yeah |
| 05:08.07 | End | they're taking all the spell damage names though :P |
| 05:08.15 | End | ie runed and teardrop go to runed now |
| 05:09.26 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 05:09.46 | NightHawkTheSane | so, do people who have teardrop recipes, but not runed.. get runed.. or get shafted? |
| 05:11.06 | End | I hadn't thought of that. |
| 05:11.07 | cncfanatics | NightHawkTheSane: prolly runed |
| 05:11.15 | Diao | i think.. bc cuts won't matter then |
| 05:11.20 | cncfanatics | true |
| 05:11.23 | End | well |
| 05:11.25 | End | there is that :P |
| 05:11.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Diao: true, but it's an interesting question at least |
| 05:11.28 | cncfanatics | actualy |
| 05:11.37 | End | even the green quality are better than TBC epic |
| 05:11.39 | cncfanatics | they'll prolly just transform teardrom into something identical to runed |
| 05:11.40 | NightHawkTheSane | and, for that matter.. what happens to the spellthreads? (again, doesn't matter, but interesting question) |
| 05:11.49 | cncfanatics | they can't just remove the items |
| 05:11.50 | NightHawkTheSane | cncfanatics: likely, yeah |
| 05:11.52 | cncfanatics | the recipes will prolly keep existing |
| 05:12.04 | cncfanatics | but do the same as their spelldmg equivalent in spellpowe |
| 05:12.17 | Sixen | Er... Lopeppeppy is a female? |
| 05:12.27 | cncfanatics | Sixen: yes, is that so surprising ? :p |
| 05:12.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Sixen: so they say |
| 05:12.43 | NightHawkTheSane | cncfanatics: well, this IS the internet. :P |
| 05:12.57 | Sixen | I didn't know that, ( |
| 05:13.03 | Shirik|zZz | yes she is |
| 05:13.10 | Shirik|zZz | and night |
| 05:13.21 | cncfanatics | NightHawkTheSane: everyone is "it" on the internet, not "he" or "she" |
| 05:13.24 | cncfanatics | at least for me :p |
| 05:13.25 | End | well |
| 05:13.26 | Sixen | Yeah, Night, lawl. |
| 05:13.28 | Shirik|zZz | ~irc |
| 05:13.29 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 05:13.31 | Sixen | Night Shirik. |
| 05:13.31 | NightHawkTheSane | cncfanatics: no, everyone is a guy on the internet. :p |
| 05:13.34 | Sixen | That's what I was looking for |
| 05:13.35 | End | wowhead claims the old stuff hasn't been changed yet |
| 05:13.35 | Sixen | ;) |
| 05:13.48 | cncfanatics | NightHawkTheSane: thats old :p |
| 05:13.52 | End | (the new +spellpower is called runed though) |
| 05:14.34 | End | oh wait, I fail |
| 05:14.47 | End | yeah |
| 05:14.51 | End | teardrop is just spellpower now |
| 05:15.07 | Diao | typing into a curve? |
| 05:15.08 | End | into a curve? |
| 05:15.13 | End | what the hell? |
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| 05:15.21 | NightHawkTheSane | my desk has a curve in it, it's l shaped. |
| 05:15.38 | NightHawkTheSane | the keyboard/monitor for my main cpu is set up in the middle of the l, on a curve in the desk |
| 05:15.42 | Diao | ah |
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| 05:25.53 | cncfanatics | <3 laptops |
| 05:25.57 | cncfanatics | can move them anywhere |
| 05:29.11 | Aiiane | <3 tablet/laptop combos |
| 05:29.33 | Aiiane | can move them and use them in more places than anywhere :P |
| 05:30.38 | Thunder_Child | a convertable you mean? |
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| 05:32.34 | Diao | tablet pc |
| 05:33.12 | Thunder_Child | a tablet is not a combo |
| 05:33.30 | Diao | hm.. |
| 05:33.36 | Thunder_Child | it's a convertable |
| 05:33.40 | Diao | most tablet pcs can be converted between laptop and tablet modes |
| 05:33.42 | Thunder_Child | swivel monitor |
| 05:33.54 | Thunder_Child | no, tablets are tablets onyl |
| 05:33.56 | Thunder_Child | only* |
| 05:34.05 | Thunder_Child | otherwise they are convertables |
| 05:34.14 | Diao | hmm |
| 05:34.21 | Diao | oh |
| 05:34.23 | Diao | no |
| 05:34.30 | Diao | it's "slate" if it's keyboardless |
| 05:34.34 | Kirov | What if you plug in a keyboard and mouse?! What then! |
| 05:34.42 | Diao | convertible if it can be switched |
| 05:34.49 | Diao | and hybrid if it can have an attached keyboard |
| 05:34.53 | Thunder_Child | http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_le17.asp is a tablet |
| 05:35.05 | Thunder_Child | well slate/tablet is synonoms |
| 05:35.11 | Thunder_Child | synonims (sp?) |
| 05:35.11 | batbot | Thunder_Child, synonyms. |
| 05:35.14 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 05:35.40 | Diao | http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087¤t-category-id=329576204C9E42289967E79E0E7C9A2D |
| 05:35.43 | Diao | also considered tablet :) |
| 05:36.04 | Diao | it's all semantics |
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| 05:37.14 | Kirov | Oh god! Why would you want to buy that?! It's covered in pulsing zits! |
| 05:38.08 | Diao | lol |
| 05:41.54 | cncfanatics | would have liked a lenovo, but they're damn expensive |
| 05:42.07 | Diao | they're worth it though |
| 05:42.23 | Thunder_Child | thats an opnion |
| 05:42.33 | Diao | it is an opinion |
| 05:42.35 | cncfanatics | they might be worth it, but they're outside my budget |
| 05:42.56 | cncfanatics | this one with 2 year full assurance costed me 1300⬠|
| 05:43.19 | Diao | oh |
| 05:43.25 | Diao | mine was worth it even more so |
| 05:43.32 | Diao | because i have a friend who works at lenovo |
| 05:43.38 | Diao | employee discount = 40% off :p |
| 05:43.43 | cncfanatics | gievvvv |
| 05:44.06 | cncfanatics | next time I buy a laptop ur gonna get me a discount too ! (a |
| 05:44.10 | Diao | lol |
| 05:44.29 | Diao | i could probably also get a discount on HP systems >.> |
| 05:44.42 | Diao | since my father's company got bought out by them and he's now the head of their beijing branch |
| 05:44.53 | cncfanatics | btw, haste fixed the oUF quickhealth plugin |
| 05:44.58 | Diao | Yeah, I saw |
| 05:45.05 | Diao | someone else already posted it on the EJ thread |
| 05:45.13 | cncfanatics | I did :p |
| 05:45.20 | cncfanatics | notice the avatar thats the same as on wowace |
| 05:46.13 | Diao | oh, haha |
| 05:48.57 | NeoTron | is there a way to query whether a player is running or have walk enabled? |
| 05:50.06 | Kirov | Neo - hook the run / walk functions. |
| 05:52.28 | NeoTron | got an addon request that should warn if you're walking on Twins :P |
| 05:52.45 | NeoTron | after a wipe... |
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| 05:53.06 | Diao | how do you not notice you're walking >.> |
| 05:53.29 | NightHawkTheSane | is there a reason you'd toggle walk on in the first place? |
| 05:54.26 | Kirov | Answer - remove walk from your keybindings! |
| 05:54.50 | NeoTron | they notice |
| 05:54.52 | NeoTron | when we wipe |
| 05:55.05 | NeoTron | thing is ppl use walk to get up on the ledge.. and sometimes forgets, even mid fight |
| 05:55.07 | Kirov | And what twins? |
| 05:55.08 | NeoTron | we just had such a wipe |
| 05:55.11 | NeoTron | Eredar Twins |
| 05:55.31 | Diao | are there other twins in the game? :O |
| 05:55.33 | Aiiane | hmm |
| 05:55.40 | Aiiane | anyone have a combat log of a warlock summoning someone? |
| 05:55.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Diao: yes, actually |
| 05:55.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Diao: twin emps in aq40 |
| 05:55.56 | Diao | meh |
| 05:55.57 | Diao | old content |
| 05:56.00 | Diao | lol |
| 05:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | but yet, still twins. |
| 05:56.32 | Diao | true |
| 05:56.52 | Dolby | Every one tell Cairenn to go to bed please |
| 05:57.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:57.09 | Aiiane | haha :) |
| 05:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: go to bed |
| 05:57.15 | Kirov | Cairenn - Bed! Now! ... bring a laptop. |
| 05:57.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: you should stay up, and drink *nod* |
| 05:57.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Dolby: I tried |
| 05:57.33 | Dolby | ! |
| 05:59.09 | Thunder_Child | ~lol the channel |
| 05:59.10 | purl | ACTION Laughs out Loud at the channel |
| 06:00.43 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 06:01.09 | Aiiane | so.... anyone offhand have a combatlog of a warlock summoning someone? |
| 06:01.58 | Iriel | If you'd asked 5 mins earlier I would have said yes |
| 06:02.01 | End | I could probably get it quickly |
| 06:02.05 | Iriel | But I just shut down my windows machine |
| 06:02.21 | Aiiane | if anyone could pastey one I'd appreciate it :) |
| 06:02.24 | End | maybe not quickly |
| 06:02.31 | End | my combatlog is 150 meg >_< |
| 06:02.36 | Aiiane | lol |
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| 06:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: sleep! |
| 06:03.23 | Cairenn | no u! |
| 06:03.23 | End | Cairenn: sleep calls to you |
| 06:03.26 | End | no u u! |
| 06:03.32 | End | I just no u'd a no u |
| 06:03.46 | zenzio | ... so the first thing I see when I come here is ScytheBlade1 trying to coerce Cairenn to bed... |
| 06:03.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Well can you blame me?! |
| 06:03.59 | End | Dolby made us |
| 06:04.04 | zenzio | of course I don't :-p |
| 06:04.34 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn only laughs to hide the tiredness |
| 06:05.38 | ScytheBlade1 | So is that a "no"? ;) |
| 06:07.49 | Sixen | Night guys. |
| 06:07.50 | NightHawkTheSane | no, only no means no, silence is just another yes ;) |
| 06:08.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Well then! |
| 06:08.13 | Thunder_Child | night Sixen |
| 06:08.38 | NeoTron | so we had the Plate melee dps pattern drop today.. of the commanded at the end of the gauntlet |
| 06:08.48 | NeoTron | it despawned in like 3 seconds. :( |
| 06:08.51 | Kalroth | dooh |
| 06:08.57 | cncfanatics | NeoTron: ticket |
| 06:09.03 | NeoTron | did |
| 06:09.05 | Kalroth | We don't even bother trying to loot him, it'll be too much QQ |
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| 06:16.27 | Neffi | Did the beta author keys get sent out by *Blizzard* yet? |
| 06:16.38 | Neffi | The first batch.. |
| 06:16.54 | NightHawkTheSane | no. |
| 06:17.21 | Neffi | Is it a guaranteed spot for all authors that signed up? |
| 06:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 06:17.46 | Mike-N-Go | Where do we sign up for this? |
| 06:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | wowinterface.com/beta.php |
| 06:17.56 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 06:17.56 | Neffi | http://wowinterface.com/beta.php |
| 06:19.03 | Mike-N-Go | There is an addon I really like, called NameViolation, the past author seems to have dropped the project, and this addon could use some updating. For one, the new GM ticket system broke it. It would be nice if a developer were to fix it, it is at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8653-NameViolation.html |
| 06:19.56 | Mike-N-Go | Are the author keys a loto? |
| 06:20.06 | ScytheBlade1 | No. |
| 06:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Guaranteed. |
| 06:20.24 | NightHawkTheSane | reading ftw. >< |
| 06:20.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
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| 06:21.00 | Mike-N-Go | The wording on the link is a bit vague to me. |
| 06:21.24 | NightHawkTheSane | even so, the very question was answered here in this channel, not 5 minutes ago. |
| 06:21.33 | Mike-N-Go | 'offering' it says. |
| 06:21.50 | Mike-N-Go | I just joined about 5 minutes ago.. |
| 06:22.05 | ScytheBlade1 | "to all our active, registered authors!" |
| 06:22.07 | NightHawkTheSane | according to my logs, you joined before the question was asked. |
| 06:22.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Those are the only conditionals |
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| 06:24.40 | Vilkku | heh, PLAYXPERT is in open beta |
| 06:26.48 | Mike-N-Go | Awesome, thank you, WowInterface, for helping us get into the beta. |
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| 06:48.21 | Arrowmaster | thats weird, i swear i used an open beta of PLAYXPERT over a year ago |
| 06:48.42 | Arrowmaster | since i got an email annoucing it being in open beta too |
| 06:49.14 | Thunder_Child | ya Arrowmaster, i heard about it long ago as well |
| 06:49.47 | Arrowmaster | ofc it also completely trashed my graphics card drivers over a year ago requiring me to completely strip every last trace of them from my computer then reinstall the graphics card drivers along with directx and other stuff |
| 06:50.40 | Thunder_Child | that program is alot better if you dont play ina windowed mode all the time |
| 06:50.41 | Arrowmaster | i was not amused or impressed |
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| 06:51.33 | Arrowmaster | i still havent been able to get the video input on my gfxcard to work since |
| 06:51.58 | Thunder_Child | yes, because i want nothing more than to be able to acces facebook while playing crysis..... |
| 06:52.00 | Arrowmaster | but i cant pinpoint the cause to be directly that |
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| 08:09.23 | Thunder_Child | hahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
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| 08:09.36 | Thunder_Child | purl you poor duped fool |
| 08:13.15 | cncfanatics | any addon around to share friends list across alts ? |
| 08:18.08 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9588-FriendsCloner.html |
| 08:18.55 | Elkano | AuldLangSyne can do that too iirc |
| 08:19.07 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6931-FriendsWithBenefits.html |
| 08:19.17 | Cairenn | and yeah on AuldLangSyne |
| 08:19.39 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6926-Friendminder.html |
| 08:19.53 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5320-AuldLangSyne.html |
| 08:20.42 | nevcairiel | if you only want friend-sync, ALS is kinda overkill :D |
| 08:20.49 | Elkano | yeah ^^ |
| 08:21.26 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, wow....sleep tiems sounds good |
| 08:21.44 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 08:25.52 | cncfanatics | :o tnx Cairenn |
| 08:26.01 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 08:26.16 | Cairenn | just put "friends" in the title & description search boxes on the site :p |
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| 08:27.13 | Daedals | hi, any news? |
| 08:27.32 | Thunder_Child | yes, Cairenn should go to sleep |
| 08:27.36 | Daedals | :D |
| 08:27.37 | Thunder_Child | speaking of which |
| 08:27.42 | Daedals | I have somthing nice for you |
| 08:28.02 | Daedals | PlayExpert have been released as open beta! |
| 08:28.40 | Cairenn | (2008-08-07 04:27:03) Daedals: hi, any news? <== http://edition.cnn.com/?eref=rss_topstories |
| 08:29.00 | Daedals | :P ok thanks |
| 08:29.09 | Cairenn | any time! :) |
| 08:29.09 | Daedals | but |
| 08:29.18 | Daedals | do you know what PlayExpert is? |
| 08:30.19 | Daedals | its a program that adds a directx layer or something to you game and you can use it to browse wowhead or use IM or listen to music or anything |
| 08:30.29 | cncfanatics | nice |
| 08:30.43 | cncfanatics | that has existed for linux (as opengl overlay) since 2001 :p |
| 08:30.55 | Daedals | ye but what is amazing |
| 08:31.01 | Daedals | it works with VISTA! |
| 08:31.10 | cncfanatics | glad I'm on linux |
| 08:31.14 | Daedals | :D |
| 08:31.16 | cncfanatics | vista is amazingly anoying & slow |
| 08:31.21 | Daedals | ubuntu owns btw |
| 08:31.26 | cncfanatics | I'm on debian |
| 08:31.29 | cncfanatics | close enough |
| 08:31.32 | Elkano | it does? cool :) TSO didn't :( |
| 08:31.42 | Daedals | Im installing it |
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| 08:47.08 | leethal | I'm a lazy bastard! Could anyone suggest a simple mod to look at in order to grok how you do combat log stuff in 2.4? |
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| 08:50.35 | Daedals | well, dunno, I thought that wowwiki had a good explanation about the new events and arguments |
| 08:52.19 | cncfanatics | leethal: quickhealth is simple enough if you want to check in it |
| 08:52.26 | cncfanatics | it just checks for dmg/healing from the combatlog |
| 08:54.45 | leethal | wow, they really cleaned up the wiki, nice |
| 08:55.42 | Cairenn | Daedals |
| 08:55.46 | Daedals | ? |
| 08:55.46 | Cairenn | ~wowprogramming |
| 08:55.47 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 08:55.50 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 08:56.04 | leethal | yarr book is out! |
| 08:56.04 | Daedals | say that to leethal :D |
| 08:56.16 | Daedals | I like to learn things by myself |
| 08:56.27 | Daedals | and I don't think I can get the book from finland |
| 08:56.29 | Cairenn | was referring to the site, as another place to look |
| 08:56.39 | Daedals | ye |
| 08:56.47 | Daedals | wowwiki is what I use ^ |
| 08:56.50 | Daedals | ^^ * |
| 08:56.52 | leethal | is there a pdf? |
| 08:56.54 | leethal | nvm, google will know |
| 08:57.08 | |pez| | Even if you read a book, you'll still be learning by yourself. |
| 08:57.32 | Daedals | yes |
| 08:58.13 | Daedals | but I don't want to pay 26$+shipping 20$ for a book I don't need :P |
| 08:58.18 | Cairenn | (2008-08-07 04:50:26) Daedals: well, dunno, I thought that wowwiki had a good explanation about the new events and arguments <== is why I suggested the other site, nothing to do with the book itself, just pointing out another online reference source |
| 08:58.32 | Daedals | :) |
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| 08:58.38 | Daedals | wowwiki owns |
| 08:58.46 | Cairenn | and no, there isn't a pdf of the book |
| 08:58.55 | Daedals | and still it's too expensive for me |
| 08:59.11 | leethal | any particular reason there's no pdf around? |
| 08:59.40 | Cairenn | any particular reason why there should be? |
| 08:59.58 | leethal | well, I'd prefer to get a pdf right now, instead of waiting 4 weeks for shipping from US to europe |
| 09:00.03 | Cairenn | it's a 1000+ page programming book |
| 09:00.24 | Cairenn | one would presume the authors and publisher would like to get paid |
| 09:00.41 | leethal | oh, because a pdf is easy to torrent-ize? |
| 09:00.55 | Elkano | 13hrs to go... |
| 09:01.12 | cncfanatics | hmmm, whats wrong with this traceroute to my server ? :p http://www.pastey.net/93255 |
| 09:01.34 | Daedals | Amazon: Shipping: 3.99$ + 3.99$, in 13-24 business days |
| 09:01.57 | Daedals | three to five weeks bah |
| 09:01.57 | leethal | perhaps amazon.co.uk has it |
| 09:02.20 | leethal | yay =D |
| 09:03.17 | leethal | 3-7 business days ftw |
| 09:04.06 | Daedals | co.uk: 2.99£ + 4.99£ in 8-11 business days |
| 09:04.10 | Daedals | sounds better |
| 09:04.57 | Daedals | 17.54£ in euros? |
| 09:05.34 | leethal | google 17.54 GBP in EUR ; ) |
| 09:07.27 | Daedals | so the total would be 32.5 euros for that book |
| 09:07.46 | leethal | acceptable |
| 09:07.56 | Elkano | Daedals, from DE it's 24.95⬠+ ~6.00⬠|
| 09:09.20 | Daedals | but my dad doesn't trust in web stores |
| 09:09.27 | Daedals | so that would never happen |
| 09:10.11 | |pez| | I'm glad I'm over 18, and have my own Visa. :P |
| 09:10.27 | Daedals | me too :o |
| 09:10.32 | Daedals | hmm |
| 09:10.38 | Daedals | I didnt remember that lol |
| 09:10.41 | |pez| | Aahaha |
| 09:10.45 | Daedals | :D |
| 09:10.48 | leethal | amazon is evil, though, it stores your credit card number and all |
| 09:10.51 | Daedals | I turned 18 last saturday |
| 09:11.10 | leethal | normally, when you get out of your chair and get your credit card from your jacket or wallet or whatever, you get to think about what you're buying. |
| 09:11.18 | leethal | With amazon, though, you don't have that barrier |
| 09:11.28 | leethal | Daedals: gz on ding =D |
| 09:12.37 | |pez| | I sort of want to make myself feel better, by abusing my Visa online. :P |
| 09:13.08 | |pez| | I want shoes! |
| 09:13.40 | leethal | =P |
| 09:15.44 | |pez| | Oh, I can't actually abuse my Visa. It's got negative values. .P |
| 09:15.45 | |pez| | :P |
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| 09:18.56 | nevcairiel | so you abused it already, eh? :) |
| 09:20.02 | |pez| | Well, if you call buying food abuse.. Sure. :P |
| 09:20.23 | |pez| | I pay for the food usually, and the boyfriend pays the rent. |
| 09:23.54 | Daedals | can visa electron be used at amazon? |
| 09:26.26 | leethal | Daedals: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=502572 |
| 09:26.44 | Daedals | ok good :) |
| 09:26.45 | leethal | or you could write them a check in Gaelic lol |
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| 09:45.33 | Daedals | damn |
| 09:45.54 | Daedals | beware there is a new beta scam out there |
| 09:46.20 | Daedals | the email looks legit and the page it links looks legit, only the address is different of course |
| 09:46.57 | Daedals | my own homepage is on the same web server, going to make a report right away |
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| 09:49.45 | Daedals | okay reported, no worries anymore :) |
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| 09:56.58 | Daedals | hmm? are people receiving WoWinterface beta keys yet? |
| 09:57.36 | Cairenn | no |
| 09:57.45 | Daedals | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=42775343&sid=1&pageNo=12 ? |
| 09:58.00 | Daedals | "Reporting another successful key delivery here, ID 111. Got it at 14:10 MST. " |
| 09:58.04 | Cairenn | oh! |
| 09:58.06 | Cairenn | YAY! |
| 09:58.18 | leethal | awesome program |
| 09:58.40 | leethal | +1 to whoever makes it happen =) |
| 09:58.50 | doow | can you use addons in the beta btw? |
| 09:58.54 | Daedals | ye |
| 09:59.01 | doow | cool |
| 09:59.05 | Daedals | :( I haven't got one :( |
| 09:59.12 | Daedals | if they are compatible yet |
| 09:59.17 | Daedals | that's why we get the key |
| 09:59.27 | Daedals | to make addons ready for the release of wotlk |
| 09:59.43 | nevcairiel | Cairenn: that thread is from 2006, dont get excited from necromancers |
| 09:59.44 | Daedals | LOL |
| 09:59.45 | doow | Daedals: ofc, I just wondered since you couldn't in the alpha |
| 09:59.51 | Cairenn | oh ffs |
| 09:59.52 | Daedals | I noticed taht too lol |
| 09:59.59 | Daedals | omg im stupid sorry |
| 10:00.03 | Daedals | I just used search |
| 10:00.04 | leethal | I wonder who the pick. I'm guessing they only pick authors of famous-ish addons |
| 10:00.11 | Daedals | no |
| 10:00.13 | Daedals | everyone |
| 10:00.14 | Cairenn | can I hurt you now? |
| 10:00.26 | Daedals | omg shit |
| 10:00.33 | Daedals | no you cant I do that myself |
| 10:00.34 | leethal | which makes sense, as I don't really care if my semi-useful addon works the minute 3.0 is out |
| 10:00.51 | Daedals | damn |
| 10:01.02 | Daedals | I saw the light at the end of the tunnel |
| 10:01.08 | Daedals | but it went out |
| 10:01.25 | leethal | oh, is it US only stuff? |
| 10:01.27 | Cairenn | leethal: to repeat myself for the Nth time - it isn't a contest - if you met the requirements, you get a key. period. end of discussion. not a contest |
| 10:01.34 | Cairenn | and not only US |
| 10:01.43 | Cairenn | don't you people even read what you sign up for? |
| 10:01.53 | Daedals | :D |
| 10:01.56 | leethal | =P |
| 10:02.12 | leethal | the requirements were sort of vague though |
| 10:02.14 | |pez| | it's gonna be alright Cairenn! |
| 10:02.15 | Cairenn | "o hey luk, its a contest" |
| 10:02.21 | Daedals | if you are the original author and the addon inst "Hello World" you get the key |
| 10:02.24 | Cairenn | "I shud sing up" |
| 10:02.44 | Cairenn | leethal: how the hell are they vague? |
| 10:02.54 | Cairenn | :p |
| 10:03.06 | leethal | well, the mod requirement, not being a "Hello world" mod |
| 10:03.13 | Daedals | :P omg? |
| 10:03.21 | Cairenn | yeah ... if they actually do something useful, and like, work |
| 10:03.26 | leethal | that could also mean simple 50 LOC mods doesn't count |
| 10:03.42 | |pez| | leethal: just because you're not able to think, doesn't mean the requirements are vague. :P |
| 10:03.49 | leethal | think, you say? :O |
| 10:04.13 | |pez| | The mod needs to do something, and it needs to be written by you. |
| 10:04.23 | Cairenn | back to the original conversation ... Daedals, they usually send the keys out in batches on Thursday nights/Fridays |
| 10:04.36 | Daedals | ok |
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| 10:04.42 | Daedals | im just being impatient |
| 10:04.45 | leethal | it's a bit like a failing love affair. When your loved one hints to something that could be negative, you get all emo. |
| 10:04.57 | Cairenn | so *hopefully* tomorrow night or friday, but I can't promise that |
| 10:05.15 | Daedals | I hope so too :) |
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| 10:05.45 | Daedals | but why does it have to take so log? (yes im being impatient) |
| 10:05.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.00 | nevcairiel | maybe they just dont _want_ to send them sooner? |
| 10:06.00 | laeg_ | there are a thousand dead level 1 gnome corpses spelling out a gold website outside the bank in IF |
| 10:06.03 | laeg_ | it's crazy |
| 10:06.08 | laeg_ | have any of you seen this on your realm? |
| 10:06.15 | leethal | dead? |
| 10:06.17 | laeg_ | yes |
| 10:06.21 | laeg_ | it's insane |
| 10:06.22 | leethal | odd |
| 10:06.27 | laeg_ | it's a MASSIVE add |
| 10:06.35 | bleeter | hack |
| 10:06.42 | laeg_ | i'll screenshot in a few mins |
| 10:06.50 | laeg_ | he must have used a program to do ti |
| 10:06.55 | bleeter | iirc, it can lead to lagout, so best just .. report and move on |
| 10:07.57 | leethal | the TOC in the mod needs to be 20400 ya? |
| 10:08.17 | laeg | leethal: yup |
| 10:08.19 | bleeter | yeah |
| 10:09.21 | bleeter | I've actualy enjoyed playing horde since they fixed uc and tb, gg blizz :) |
| 10:09.33 | leethal | what did they fix about uc and tb? |
| 10:09.50 | bleeter | dismount on sewers, or the huts to the rope bridges |
| 10:09.58 | leethal | ah, right |
| 10:14.20 | Ycarene | KDE 4.1 is faster than I expected... |
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| 10:36.41 | Rabbitbunny | laeg: that happening on firetree a while ago, wowgold.com |
| 10:36.55 | Rabbitbunny | err, happened |
| 10:37.30 | Rabbitbunny | there's screen shots out there |
| 10:38.11 | Rabbitbunny | I'm wondering, is there a way to return the build of a character? |
| 10:39.02 | Rabbitbunny | asin magicGetBuildFunc() ? |
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| 12:07.12 | Nom- | no beta keys been sent yet |
| 12:07.13 | Nom- | ? |
| 12:07.28 | Cairenn | they usually send the keys out in batches on Thursday nights/Fridays |
| 12:07.31 | Cairenn | so *hopefully* tomorrow night or friday, but I can't promise that |
| 12:07.37 | Cairenn | errr, tonight |
| 12:08.23 | Nom- | *hopes* |
| 12:09.12 | Nom- | I'm looking forward to some serious beta gaming this weekend |
| 12:09.17 | Nom- | If I get lucky |
| 12:10.19 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 12:10.20 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 12:10.40 | cbreak | no one hugs purl? |
| 12:10.58 | Cairenn | purl's a bot |
| 12:11.07 | cbreak | I know. but he must have feelings too. |
| 12:11.16 | Cairenn | ~hug purl |
| 12:11.17 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs purl |
| 12:11.21 | cbreak | *emotional speech about equality* |
| 12:11.29 | Cairenn | see? she takes care of herself |
| 12:12.00 | durcyn | cbreak: purl is a _lady_, sir. |
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| 12:12.41 | Josh_Borke | ~gender purl |
| 12:12.42 | purl | I heard purl is female. |
| 12:13.00 | Josh_Borke | ~literal gender purl |
| 12:13.00 | purl | I heard purl is lesbian. |
| 12:13.14 | Josh_Borke | oh dear |
| 12:13.28 | cbreak | ~stats purl |
| 12:13.38 | cbreak | (would be more interesting :) |
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| 12:21.07 | Rabbitbunny | lua> print(1+1) |
| 12:21.07 | lua_bot | Rabbitbunny: 2 |
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| 12:28.51 | Josh_Borke | lua> print((1+1)/(1-1)) |
| 12:28.51 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: inf |
| 12:32.18 | Rabbitbunny | I couldn't remember the bots' name, I normally do most of my guessing in /w |
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| 12:36.27 | nekoh | a |
| 12:42.33 | cbreak | you can use a local lua binary too |
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| 12:53.11 | Rabbitbunny | lua> os.date("%r") |
| 12:53.11 | lua_bot | Rabbitbunny: 01:53:11 PM |
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| 12:53.34 | Rabbitbunny | can anybosy try that ingame? it tells me the format is too long. |
| 12:53.40 | Rabbitbunny | /bos/bod/ |
| 12:53.56 | nevcairiel | same |
| 12:54.08 | Rabbitbunny | Odd. |
| 12:54.18 | Rabbitbunny | I really like that format. |
| 13:00.21 | laeg | are eu login servers down? |
| 13:00.37 | jnw | Whats up zenzio? |
| 13:00.50 | leethal | laeg: works from here |
| 13:00.54 | zenzio | just seemed rather indetermined about your nick |
| 13:00.56 | Cairenn | the nick changes |
| 13:01.28 | laeg | leethal: did you login recently? |
| 13:01.30 | jnw | Ah, I have no idea how many of them you saw, but I'm playing with a custom irc proxy at the moment, and to say I confused the second client would be an understatement. |
| 13:01.37 | leethal | laeg: tried just now, when you asked |
| 13:01.49 | laeg | leethal: can you try frostmane? |
| 13:01.49 | Cairenn | (2008-08-07 08:54:36) cladhaire is now known as jnw |
| 13:01.49 | Cairenn | (2008-08-07 08:56:50) jnw is now known as cladhaire |
| 13:01.50 | Cairenn | (2008-08-07 08:57:48) cladhaire is now known as clad|away |
| 13:01.50 | Cairenn | (2008-08-07 08:59:38) clad|away is now known as jnw |
| 13:02.07 | leethal | laeg: sure, sec |
| 13:02.18 | laeg | ty |
| 13:02.23 | laeg | i can't get by 'Connected' |
| 13:02.26 | jnw | As it is, my home connection is working just fine, but the irssi session at my office doesn't actually think its connected to an IRC server. |
| 13:02.44 | jnw | As a result, I'm typing these messages into a nc session :P |
| 13:02.55 | leethal | laeg: same |
| 13:02.59 | leethal | stuck at 'Connected' |
| 13:03.05 | laeg | thanks |
| 13:03.09 | laeg | :) |
| 13:03.15 | jnw | Also, the irc server is gonna be getting double the pong replies, which will probably frustrate it |
| 13:03.20 | laeg | blizz weren't you supposed to fix all this stuff in the weekly maintenance last night?! |
| 13:03.41 | laeg | 8th time's the charm :) |
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| 13:04.36 | laeg | ahh it may have been to get rid of the 1,000 gnome corpses outside the bank in IF advertising a gold website |
| 13:04.54 | leethal | >< |
| 13:04.57 | leethal | were it really that many? |
| 13:05.07 | leethal | anyone got a screenshot? |
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| 14:14.34 | Tem|Work | Anyone else who's done any of the wrath quests involving Arthas think he's not menacing enough? |
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| 14:14.47 | Tem|Work | he keeps doing the human idle animations which make him look silly imo |
| 14:15.11 | cbreak | could be worse. he could do /shy. |
| 14:16.02 | amro | /cower |
| 14:16.15 | haste | /in |
| 14:17.14 | Fisker- | /diehaste |
| 14:17.31 | Fisker- | are you very afraid now haste ? |
| 14:17.48 | zenzelezz | /target Fisker- |
| 14:17.50 | zenzelezz | /golfclap |
| 14:18.02 | haste | not really Fisker- |
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| 14:42.07 | laeg | http://s4.tinypic.com/2rw22vp.jpg |
| 14:42.15 | laeg | army of dead gnome corpses advertising for a gold seller |
| 14:42.46 | Icecoldcoke | rofl |
| 14:42.50 | Icecoldcoke | It's so perfectly made |
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| 14:43.32 | Mery | probably used some kind of glider loke hack |
| 14:43.36 | Mery | like* |
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| 14:45.44 | |pez| | Sometimes, I feel I'm a monkey. |
| 14:46.10 | Mery | maybe, because.... :) |
| 14:46.23 | pb_ee1 | olol @ screen |
| 14:46.27 | laeg | lol ! |
| 14:46.33 | laeg | i know it's insane but also cool |
| 14:46.40 | |pez| | Well, you know how monkeys pick other monkeys head? :P |
| 14:46.49 | laeg | well lets say it would be very cool if it wasn't advertising :) |
| 14:47.05 | Rabbitbunny | it is. |
| 14:47.12 | Rabbitbunny | it happened on Firetree before. |
| 14:47.16 | laeg | i |pez| but i don't get the reference :( |
| 14:47.22 | Mery | |pez|: which one are you? |
| 14:47.25 | Rabbitbunny | and the gnomes just appeared, they didn't walk there. |
| 14:47.47 | laeg | Rabbitbunny: how do you know? |
| 14:47.52 | Rabbitbunny | I was there. |
| 14:47.54 | |pez| | My boyfriend suffers from psoriasis, and has a lot of dead skin on his scalp. :P |
| 14:47.55 | laeg | would have been cool if they walked there and to record it |
| 14:48.04 | |pez| | I pick it off. :P |
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| 14:49.16 | Icecoldcoke | |pez|: ew. |
| 14:49.18 | laeg | |pez|: why ewws? you can use it on spaghetti bolongese when you run out of parmesan! |
| 14:49.23 | |pez| | I'm a rather notorious picker on scabs, soars and whatnot. And his scalp is just a good passtime >__> |
| 14:49.26 | |pez| | or, not a good. |
| 14:49.32 | |pez| | but, yeah. :P |
| 14:49.36 | laeg | lol |
| 14:49.37 | laeg | :P |
| 14:49.43 | |pez| | I do it, and it makes me feel like a monkey. |
| 14:49.50 | Icecoldcoke | Because you are. |
| 14:49.55 | Icecoldcoke | a monkey. |
| 14:50.47 | |pez| | Well, he doesn't get treatment for it, which he should. So I just pick some off instead. Makes his head smell less like dead skin. :P |
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| 14:51.00 | tuxeh- | haha, pez |
| 14:51.48 | laeg | |pez|: please, please, tell us more.. |
| 14:51.50 | laeg | :P |
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| 14:52.12 | |pez| | laeg: I think you're all disgusted now. |
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| 14:53.46 | |pez| | I hope you'll all forgive me for being a weird weird person. |
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| 14:54.21 | Mery | not really.. everytime a freind of mine tells me what he saw in a operating room (and how they sometimes f*** up) is alot worse |
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| 14:58.10 | Josh_Borke | ~forgive |pez| |
| 14:58.11 | purl | Well, |pez| boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. *blows |pez| head apart with .44 magnum* |
| 14:58.25 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:58.32 | |pez| | well, that was mean. :P |
| 14:58.55 | zenzelezz | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Stalled-Server-Room.aspx (might be old news) |
| 14:59.16 | haste | the toilet server? |
| 14:59.24 | zenzelezz | yeah =) |
| 15:01.14 | Icecoldcoke | abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz |
| 15:03.31 | |pez| | æøå! |
| 15:03.32 | |pez| | Wooo! |
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| 15:03.40 | |pez| | best letters ever. |
| 15:04.03 | haste | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_and_Norwegian_alphabet D: |
| 15:04.16 | Gnarfoz | äöüÃ. |
| 15:04.26 | |pez| | Gnarfoz: those just look weird. |
| 15:04.42 | |pez| | <- Norwegian, and damned proud of it! ... When it's convenient. |
| 15:05.32 | haste | isn't it always convenient? |
| 15:05.59 | |pez| | It hasn't ben unconvinient yet anyway. |
| 15:07.28 | haste | exactly |
| 15:07.59 | |pez| | Might be if for some reason Norway is the cause of doomsday or soemthing-. |
| 15:08.37 | zenzelezz | you're not truly proud of something if it's conditional proudness |
| 15:08.50 | Gnarfoz | indeed. |
| 15:08.56 | |pez| | zenzelezz: If FrP gets in charge, I'm so not gonna be proud. :P |
| 15:09.32 | zenzelezz | then you're only a pragmatic patriot |
| 15:09.51 | zenzelezz | which is ironically similar to the party you just mentioned |
| 15:10.20 | |pez| | hirrhirr, ohwell. |
| 15:10.36 | |pez| | I'll hope people actually you know.. do the right thing. |
| 15:31.08 | Anaral | Anyone use two monitors? |
| 15:31.31 | [dRaCo] | I used to |
| 15:31.44 | |pez| | I want one - http://sumolounge.com/sumosac.php |
| 15:32.16 | Anaral | I changed a setting and now my browser keeps opening on monitor 2, no matter how many times I move it to monitor 1. |
| 15:32.31 | zenzelezz | Firefox? |
| 15:32.38 | Anaral | aye |
| 15:32.53 | zenzelezz | move it to the desired monitor, "restore it" (unmaximize), close |
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| 15:32.57 | zenzelezz | reopen, maximize, close |
| 15:33.00 | zenzelezz | and it'll remember |
| 15:33.44 | Anaral | Yeah, that's usually how it works, but since Tuesday it's been ignoring me. |
| 15:34.10 | zenzelezz | really? That's odd... |
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| 15:34.53 | Anaral | Aye. Oh well will figure it out later. |
| 15:42.36 | cog|work | is wowinterface not loading for anyone else? |
| 15:42.56 | Slakah1 | works for me |
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| 15:43.48 | cog|work | i'm getting timeouts in two different browsers... |
| 15:43.53 | cog|work | other sites work fine |
| 15:46.00 | cog|work | wtb nslookup result for wowinterface.com |
| 15:47.06 | foxlit | Non-authoritative answer: Name:wowinterface.com Address: 67.228.49.65 |
| 15:48.01 | Icecoldcoke | It works fine for me |
| 15:48.02 | cog|work | my tubes apparently phail |
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| 15:51.52 | Tem|work | Senator Ted Stevens says: cog|work didn't get the internet sent from wowinterface.com because it got tangled up in all the commercial stuff clogging the tubes. |
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| 15:55.41 | cog|work | can someone give me the link to MacroTalk on wowi? |
| 15:56.30 | AckisWork | only if you give me murky! |
| 15:57.08 | Rabbitbunny | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6853-MacroTalk.html |
| 15:57.37 | Rabbitbunny | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/download6853-MacroTalk |
| 16:01.22 | Rabbitbunny | wth is murky? |
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| 16:04.28 | Gnarfoz | ingame pet, for... blizzcon 2k6 attendees only? |
| 16:04.34 | Gnarfoz | dunno exactly where murky was from. |
| 16:04.39 | Gnarfoz | there's lurky and gurky, too. |
| 16:04.48 | Rabbitbunny | oh, that thing. I hate those. |
| 16:05.02 | Rabbitbunny | anything you can't earn, in-game == fail. |
| 16:05.05 | Gnarfoz | and the murloc suit, and tyrael, and netherwing whelp and diablo/panda cub/zergling |
| 16:05.38 | Rabbitbunny | 'ive earned every ingame pet, except 4, because I didnt fly across the country in 2006' |
| 16:05.49 | Rabbitbunny | see all that fail? |
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| 16:06.36 | cog|work | thanks Rabbitbunny |
| 16:07.18 | cog|work | Gnarfoz: 2k5 |
| 16:07.31 | Gnarfoz | Rabbitbunny: also, you missed several other pets. and no one cares, and it's not fail at all :p |
| 16:07.41 | Rabbitbunny | I care. :( |
| 16:09.04 | cog|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/Baby_Murloc |
| 16:09.19 | AckisWork | heh sealed original warcraft CE on ebay now lol |
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| 16:09.47 | cog|work | Anyone can buy shrinkwrap imo |
| 16:09.50 | cog|work | ;) |
| 16:10.40 | AckisWork | fraud > shrinkwrap |
| 16:10.42 | AckisWork | :P |
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| 16:11.00 | cog|work | fraud > ebay |
| 16:11.00 | AckisWork | you sell it as new in shrink wrap, use the mail to send it, and it's not... well that's not a good thing :P |
| 16:12.48 | |pez| | Depends on how much packaging material you put around it? :P |
| 16:13.42 | AckisWork | there's a couple up there with buy it now as well for around $1000 crazy talk |
| 16:15.02 | nevcairiel | thats even more expensive than those beta keys o.O |
| 16:15.45 | AckisWork | scary thing is, they'll probably sell at that price |
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| 16:18.23 | AckisWork | I saw a murky go for over $1k before, saw an original CE for over $1k as well... (I watch these things to see if I can get a steal in a price range that makes sense for an online game :P) |
| 16:19.14 | Fisker- | AckisWork my enemy |
| 16:19.27 | AckisWork | Fisker- my love |
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| 16:41.10 | DBE-Kinj | Hi Everyone, I'm looking for an add-on to be designed. This is a private add-on so I will not freely announce the details of the add-on. We will be paying for your service and time. (We understand the expenses and wages of your work). From what we have been told the add-on design is fairly simple. Please let me know if you are interested. |
| 16:41.44 | Duman | argh |
| 16:42.00 | cog|work | what happened to the aftercast beta? I can't seem to find it anywhere... |
| 16:42.04 | Duman | the average level of intelligence of people in beta is rapidly declining |
| 16:42.22 | |pez| | I wonder if there's a license for the use of the WoW fansite kit. |
| 16:42.43 | Duman | I really don't understand why they didn't give people in alpha a couple of invites... you'd think alpha people would be able to invite other smart people, no? |
| 16:42.56 | ckknight | Duman: yea, it's pretty lame |
| 16:43.59 | DBE-Kinj | No add-on programmers around? |
| 16:44.04 | cog|work | we're here... |
| 16:44.15 | ckknight | down with addon programmers! |
| 16:44.25 | ckknight | leethal: could be. |
| 16:44.34 | DBE-Kinj | Nah, it's perfectly legal. |
| 16:44.39 | cog|work | hiding your motives doesn't really work well in here though |
| 16:44.51 | DBE-Kinj | I know.. I go through this about once every two months. |
| 16:45.00 | leethal | hmm |
| 16:45.04 | ckknight | give us a hint |
| 16:45.12 | ckknight | burlesque show? |
| 16:45.25 | |pez| | Awh, poop, the fansite kit is for non-commercial use only. And here I was thinking I could make some shinies on a WoW WP theme, magazine style. |
| 16:45.37 | cog|work | even if you elaborate on the "we" it may help you get some bites |
| 16:45.41 | leethal | has to be something illegal. Can't think of any other reason to have a "private" add-on created, with no details 'bout the addon revealed to public. |
| 16:45.43 | ckknight | no shinies for you! |
| 16:45.52 | ckknight | leethal: I agree |
| 16:45.55 | |pez| | ckknight: I want shinies! |
| 16:46.03 | ckknight | leethal: at least the idea could be said, even if it were a closed product |
| 16:46.04 | cog|work | leethal: ckknight: just 'cause you can't think of one doesn't mean one doesn't exist. |
| 16:46.11 | Duman | heh |
| 16:46.15 | ckknight | nothing exists outside my mind, cog|work |
| 16:46.17 | ckknight | soz |
| 16:46.24 | ckknight | if I stop thinking about you, you stop existing. |
| 16:46.28 | DBE-Kinj | It's a data add-on, it will simply track data that is collected in the game, and save it for the players to display at a later time that they will be able to analyze. |
| 16:46.38 | ckknight | I already made one of those |
| 16:46.47 | leethal | wowhead looter ftw |
| 16:47.09 | DBE-Kinj | It's smaller scale then what's used for wowhead and wowdb.. |
| 16:47.22 | DBE-Kinj | But same idea, so i've been told. |
| 16:47.34 | Mery | what's the reason something like this has to be private? |
| 16:47.34 | |pez| | Can personal, non-commercial also mean free to use WordPress theme? XD |
| 16:47.36 | Seerah | so you've been told? |
| 16:47.39 | Seerah | who's idea is this? |
| 16:47.55 | DBE-Kinj | Yes, by Guillotene and Sylvanaar, but neither have time to work on hte project. |
| 16:48.00 | DBE-Kinj | This is my idea |
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| 16:48.35 | Seerah | ah |
| 16:48.50 | foxlit | Lich King: Level 83+, 8k HP |
| 16:49.02 | foxlit | Arthas has those fits of being waaay easy to kill :) |
| 16:49.02 | Seerah | only 8k? |
| 16:49.18 | Mery | 8kk? |
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| 16:49.41 | nevcairiel | foxlit: the one that killed me had much more HP :( |
| 16:49.45 | foxlit | Just 8k |
| 16:49.52 | nevcairiel | but i've seen 5 different versions now |
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| 16:50.00 | Seerah | screenshot or it didn't happen, foxlit ;) |
| 16:50.01 | Pneumatus | he has different HPs in different places :< |
| 16:50.02 | foxlit | The problem is really how the heck I can get down from here now |
| 16:50.09 | Pneumatus | i got him down to 10%! |
| 16:50.12 | Seerah | hehe |
| 16:50.19 | foxlit | I haven't found an attackable version, qq! |
| 16:50.28 | nevcairiel | I found one that attacked me |
| 16:50.29 | Pneumatus | the version in valguarde is attackable |
| 16:50.31 | nevcairiel | that was funny |
| 16:50.32 | nevcairiel | ... not |
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| 16:50.53 | nevcairiel | first time i saw the instakill message in my combatlog, though |
| 16:50.54 | cog|work | aftercast beta... anyone? :( |
| 16:51.32 | Seerah | sorry, cog, all I know of is the old one on wowi |
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| 16:53.43 | Xeross | hey |
| 16:53.43 | Xeross | can i ask for macro help here |
| 16:53.44 | Xeross | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.00 | Seerah | just ask away - no need to ask if you can ask ;) |
| 16:54.16 | AckisWork | ~asktoask |
| 16:54.16 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 16:54.17 | AckisWork | :D |
| 16:54.24 | Xeross | well im making a macro with a castsequence |
| 16:54.45 | Xeross | it does demoralizing shout, thunder clap, rend |
| 16:55.08 | cog|work | preemptive answer: no |
| 16:55.13 | cog|work | /crossfingers |
| 16:55.17 | Xeross | i want that after finishing the castsequence it only does rend |
| 16:55.30 | cog|work | you need an addon to do that |
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| 16:55.43 | cog|work | sec for link |
| 16:55.43 | Pneumatus | , rend, rend, rend, rend, rend, rend, rend, rend, rend |
| 16:55.44 | AckisWork | couldn't you hack the castsequence a bit? |
| 16:55.47 | Seerah | unless you do rend, rend, rend, rend, rend at the end |
| 16:55.55 | AckisWork | what Pneumatus and Seerah said |
| 16:56.21 | cog|work | that's not general purpose... it depends on fitting enough rends in the macro to last until you don't want it rending anymore |
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| 16:56.31 | cog|work | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7911-MacroSequence.html <-- |
| 16:56.46 | Seerah | cog|work: I know - I had less rends than Pneumatus did ;) |
| 16:56.50 | AckisWork | cog|work: generally you'd only want that until demo/TC runs off |
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| 16:57.02 | AckisWork | so you could time it correctly methinks |
| 16:57.11 | Seerah | or can do the sequence on button 1 and use button 2 or a modifier to finish out your rends.... /shrug |
| 16:57.19 | Pneumatus | well, mine was just demonstrating the theory :> |
| 16:57.28 | Pneumatus | i'd reset it on alt+click or something |
| 16:57.34 | Seerah | Pneumatus: hehe - was kidding ;) |
| 16:57.39 | Xeross | i could let it reset after 30 secs |
| 16:58.24 | Seerah | then you could use [reset=30] and put in enough rends that you think would fill that time. Or use the addon |
| 16:58.27 | cog|work | Xeross: i have a feeling you think reset is something it isn't ... it starts over counting every time you click |
| 16:58.32 | Seerah | or my other idea ^^^ |
| 16:58.36 | cog|work | Seerah: you too :P |
| 16:58.44 | Xeross | cog: ah yes i forgot |
| 16:58.49 | Seerah | I forgot too :P |
| 16:59.31 | Xeross | wait i can use cycle |
| 16:59.31 | Seerah | my other idea still stands :) |
| 16:59.34 | cog|work | otherwise you could use timers to ... do exactly what you're trying to do >< |
| 16:59.41 | Xeross | or is that only for that mod |
| 16:59.46 | cog|work | which is essentially a form of spell availability test |
| 17:00.45 | Neo|Home | so this is something they should at in wotlk |
| 17:00.52 | Neo|Home | ItemPrice(itemid) |
| 17:00.59 | Neo|Home | so we don't need these stupid item price databases |
| 17:01.13 | cog|work | Neo|Home: i have a feeling that information isn't given to the client |
| 17:01.17 | cog|work | except when at a vendor |
| 17:01.43 | Neo|Home | item details aren't either, unless specifically queried :P |
| 17:01.55 | foxlit | it's in the local cache, cog |
| 17:02.04 | foxlit | so the client has it if you've seen the item |
| 17:02.11 | Seerah | I think there's GetVendorPrice(), but only at the vendor, yeah |
| 17:02.17 | foxlit | whether or not it's exposed is another matter |
| 17:02.21 | cog|work | then maybe they should add it to GetItemInfo |
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| 17:02.30 | Neo|Home | makes sense yeah |
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| 17:02.35 | Neo|Home | it's a silly thing to hide |
| 17:02.36 | cog|work | if at all |
| 17:02.43 | Neo|Home | if it's there especially |
| 17:02.50 | Xeross | so would the following be possible with macro's ? |
| 17:02.51 | Xeross | Demoralizing Shout -> Thunder Clap -> Rend |
| 17:02.51 | Xeross | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.51 | Xeross | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.51 | Xeross | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.00 | Xeross | and the macrosequence mod |
| 17:03.22 | cog|work | Neo|Home: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784275032 imo |
| 17:03.40 | cog|work | I've got a whole section for data requests :) |
| 17:03.50 | foxlit | meh |
| 17:04.04 | foxlit | quests should just have a "just give me gold" option |
| 17:04.25 | cog|work | foxlit: that would be pretty win |
| 17:05.14 | Neo|Home | foxlit: that would be nice yes |
| 17:05.21 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765737798&sid=1 |
| 17:05.23 | cog|work | /headdesk |
| 17:06.18 | Xeross | aww, i want to respond :( |
| 17:06.26 | Shirik|Ecole | I know this sounds stupid |
| 17:06.26 | Neo|Home | mind adding something like "Make item prices available from GetItemInfo", maybe making a note that we already ahve the information via shared databases? :) |
| 17:06.32 | Shirik|Ecole | but is there some way I can force /dev/random to output something? |
| 17:06.43 | Josh_Borke | like, not random? |
| 17:06.50 | Fisker- | argh cog|work |
| 17:06.53 | Fisker- | my macros are black :( |
| 17:06.54 | Shirik|Ecole | well see the issue is that /dev/urandom isn't outputting anything at all |
| 17:07.01 | Seerah | hehe |
| 17:07.02 | Josh_Borke | cat /dev/urandom == ""? |
| 17:07.05 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 17:07.08 | Shirik|Ecole | sorry, /dev/random isn't |
| 17:07.08 | Fisker- | stupid racist interpreter |
| 17:07.15 | Josh_Borke | don't use /dev/random |
| 17:07.22 | Shirik|Ecole | Yeah well I don't have control over that |
| 17:07.31 | selckin | Shirik|Ecole: /dev/random has limited entropy(?) and can run out of randomness for a while, thats why you should use /dev/urandom |
| 17:07.40 | Shirik|Ecole | Right |
| 17:07.45 | Shirik|Ecole | And this is the problem :P |
| 17:07.57 | selckin | no access to the program? |
| 17:07.58 | Shirik|Ecole | The program I'm using uses /dev/random |
| 17:08.05 | Shirik|Ecole | In particular: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6521844 |
| 17:08.07 | Xeross | a limited amount of randomness that randomly runs out |
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| 17:08.43 | Josh_Borke | and did you follow the workaround? |
| 17:08.48 | Shirik|Ecole | and no, selckin, no access to the program |
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| 17:08.54 | Shirik|Ecole | I can't because I didn't write the program, Josh_Borke |
| 17:09.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Funny thing, though, the workaround says set securerandom.source to file:/dev/./urandom as described in http://monaco.sfbay/detail.jsf?cr=6202721 |
| 17:09.37 | Shirik|Ecole | and that's totally not a valid URL |
| 17:09.39 | Josh_Borke | ~failrik |
| 17:09.40 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 17:10.00 | Fisker- | You are running out of time Shirik|Ecole |
| 17:10.04 | Fisker- | ~debug.failrik() |
| 17:10.04 | purl | error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!"); |
| 17:10.07 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 17:10.17 | Fisker- | that's more like it |
| 17:10.21 | Shirik|Ecole | zomg, I fixed it though |
| 17:10.26 | Shirik|Ecole | Shirik > Atlassian support |
| 17:10.38 | Josh_Borke | geebus, you're using an atlassian product? |
| 17:10.45 | Josh_Borke | what were you thinking? |
| 17:10.50 | Shirik|Ecole | They told me to do export FISHEYE_OPTS=-Xmx256m -Djava.security.egd=file:/dev/urandom |
| 17:10.56 | Shirik|Ecole | I changed it to export FISHEYE_OPTS=-Xmx256m -Djava.security.egd=file:/dev/./urandom |
| 17:10.58 | Shirik|Ecole | and it seems to work |
| 17:11.14 | Fisker- | cog|work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:11.32 | Fisker- | i raise your forums picture |
| 17:11.41 | Fisker- | *waits for slow upload* |
| 17:11.45 | Pneumatus | yeh, urandom is non-blocking and will always spew entropy |
| 17:11.53 | Pneumatus | even if its not truely random |
| 17:12.20 | Fisker- | http://i35.tinypic.com/1zznwiu.png <-i think we can all agree that i win, right cog|work ? |
| 17:12.28 | Fisker- | argh mein gott |
| 17:12.33 | Fisker- | stupid resize |
| 17:12.51 | Stanzilla | stop the german, Fisker-. it's evil! |
| 17:12.52 | Josh_Borke | that means nothing to me |
| 17:12.58 | Neo|Home | pretty colors |
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| 17:13.11 | selckin | Shirik|Ecole: /query Shirik|Ecole |
| 17:13.13 | selckin | err |
| 17:13.15 | selckin | :( |
| 17:13.32 | Fisker- | anyone knows a better image host? :P |
| 17:13.39 | Pneumatus | imageshack |
| 17:13.58 | Stanzilla | http://images.gammatester.com/ |
| 17:14.03 | Fisker- | i said better though |
| 17:14.52 | Zyuu | imagehost? Curse! |
| 17:14.58 | Stanzilla | Fisker-: http://localhost:8080 |
| 17:15.11 | Fisker- | no u Stanzilla |
| 17:15.16 | Fisker- | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8054ab6d87ba4db798c5af86d405e3ca.png <-much better |
| 17:15.17 | Stanzilla | nooo u |
| 17:15.34 | Fisker- | no u |
| 17:15.40 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 17:15.45 | Fisker- | wee me |
| 17:16.00 | Fisker- | that image is totally hawtness |
| 17:16.02 | Fisker- | amirite cog|work ? |
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| 17:22.11 | Josh_Borke | Fisker-: i don't get it |
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| 17:27.14 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 17:27.14 | purl | pong |
| 17:27.52 | Atriace | Out of curiosity, nobody here has ever developed a hex sequence to range converter, hmm? |
| 17:29.42 | Rabbitbunny | where the kobolds make the cheese? |
| 17:29.47 | kd3 | >.> |
| 17:30.17 | |pez| | Dalaran, that's the shiny blue... huge thing, right? |
| 17:30.31 | cog|work | Atriace: hex sequence of what to range of what? |
| 17:31.01 | Atriace | Like, assume you had a lone list of hex values, some duplicative, some just ranges, some isolated values. So your goal is convert that blighted list into a concise list of ranges. Ideally, it might just be 00-FF |
| 17:31.31 | cog|work | ah... |
| 17:31.49 | Atriace | Because I haven't found one, and I've been coding one in Lua... and I'd rather not. |
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| 17:32.10 | cog|work | that's basically a specialization of RLE, no? |
| 17:32.20 | Atriace | RLE? |
| 17:32.43 | Atriace | Run-length encoding? |
| 17:32.53 | cog|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-length_encoding but instead of runs of the same data it's sequences |
| 17:33.39 | Atriace | Um... by glancing at the article it would appear to be similar in concept. |
| 17:33.55 | Atriace | Though the end goal is different. |
| 17:34.32 | AckisWork | beta people: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765737842 |
| 17:34.47 | cog|work | should be relatively trivial to implement if you sort the list first |
| 17:35.28 | Josh_Borke | i don't get it Ackis |
| 17:36.19 | Atriace | cogwheel: mind taking a look at my pseudocode? |
| 17:36.35 | Neo|Home | Josh_Borke: you say that a lot |
| 17:36.45 | Josh_Borke | Neo|Home: that's because i'm stupid |
| 17:36.58 | Larana | Ackis So pretty much it's AckisPetList. That's awesome. |
| 17:37.34 | cog|work | Atriace: feel free to pastey |
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| 17:39.01 | AckisWork | Larana: Ackis Companion List, but with a better name :) |
| 17:39.29 | Dashkal | *cough* OCD *cough* |
| 17:40.07 | Sarahendipity | I like APL over ACL... maybe it's because ACL reminds me of a knee injury. |
| 17:40.25 | Sarahendipity | Grr. It won't change my nick... |
| 17:40.41 | Atriace | Hex range condenser (pseudocode): http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93270 |
| 17:40.59 | Sarahendipity | But it shows me as Anaral... wtf. |
| 17:41.00 | AckisWork | hehe but it's already called Collectinator because we intend on adding tabards/fun items to it as well |
| 17:42.12 | Pneumatus | can you seriously forsee people having enough mounts/companions to need an addon to index them? |
| 17:42.19 | Sarahendipity | Yes |
| 17:42.23 | Pneumatus | there's what, 90 companions available? |
| 17:42.26 | Rabbitbunny | Yes. |
| 17:42.29 | Atriace | Something like that. |
| 17:42.33 | Atriace | There are collectors out there. |
| 17:42.33 | AckisWork | Pneumatus: check list, there are over 80 pets right now ingame |
| 17:42.36 | Rabbitbunny | I have 63 already. |
| 17:42.38 | AckisWork | warcraftpets.com |
| 17:42.57 | AckisWork | and http://www.warcraftmounts.com/ |
| 17:43.12 | Sarahendipity | And they're all becoming spell based, meaning they no longer take up bags, so everyone who was held back before due to space will be free to collect. |
| 17:43.40 | Josh_Borke | ah, and there will be achievements for only some of them |
| 17:43.40 | Fisker- | so new patch tonight cog|work ? |
| 17:44.00 | Sarahendipity | Okay it shows me (Anaral) in channel, but I can't get to my name, and I only have one instance of XChat open. |
| 17:44.11 | Thunder_Child | ghost it |
| 17:44.28 | AckisWork | http://warcraftpets.com/community/top-users.asp?list=single (I'm #17 :D) |
| 17:46.13 | Anaral | There we go. |
| 17:46.23 | cog|work | Atriace: any particular reason you're working with hex strings rather than numbers? |
| 17:46.26 | Pneumatus | what's the addon going to have that the companions tab cant tell you already? :> |
| 17:46.38 | AckisWork | Pneumatus: which ones you're missing |
| 17:46.51 | cog|work | oh nm |
| 17:47.03 | Pneumatus | aha |
| 17:47.07 | Atriace | cogwheel: the initial portion of the code is meant to convert the hex numbers to decimal. Fact is, the original values are all in hex. |
| 17:47.27 | Josh_Borke | Â %x --- represents all hexadecimal digits. |
| 17:47.55 | Josh_Borke | is it always 2 hex characters? |
| 17:47.58 | leethal | how do you check if 'x' is in table y? Roll your own method? |
| 17:48.04 | leethal | s/method/function |
| 17:48.11 | Josh_Borke | if y[x] then? |
| 17:48.13 | Atriace | Josh_Borke: no. But it has to be if you count to 16 |
| 17:48.34 | leethal | ah |
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| 17:50.04 | cog|work | Atriace: I can think of quite a few ways to go about this with varying degrees of simplicity & performance... |
| 17:50.31 | Atriace | cogwheel: that was my hope. Though this seems like the only approach I could come up with... |
| 17:50.56 | Atriace | It's getting a bit too complicated with too many operations. |
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| 17:51.29 | cog|work | if you know you're only using 8-bit values, you could just have a 256 element table (0-based) full of falses, itreate thorugh the source data and set the appropriate values to true |
| 17:51.42 | cog|work | then "compile" that table into a simplified range |
| 17:52.11 | Atriace | :o |
| 17:52.29 | Atriace | I like it |
| 17:53.24 | Atriace | Dang... that's really simple. |
| 17:53.35 | cog|work | It wouldn't be such a good idea for larger bit widths though :P |
| 17:54.06 | Atriace | Yeah, well... technically there are larger ranges, but there's only one in my list (al la 0153) |
| 17:55.07 | Mery | 0153 always reminds me of soon⢠|
| 17:55.30 | Atriace | wha? |
| 17:55.40 | Mery | alt+0152 is ⢠:) |
| 17:55.43 | Mery | 0153* |
| 18:01.00 | Atriace | Not at all, Mery. It's actually ironic. That is what that variable is in reference to. |
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| 18:03.27 | Lunessa | station |
| 18:03.37 | Josh_Borke | lua> index, sorted = {}; hex="aa, bb, gg"; for num in string.gmatch(hex, "%x+") do index[num] = (index[word] or 0) + 1 end; for k in pairs(index) do tinsert(sorted,k) end; table.sort(sorted); print(sorted); |
| 18:03.37 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'tinsert' (a nil value) |
| 18:03.44 | Josh_Borke | lua> index, sorted = {}; hex="aa, bb, gg"; for num in string.gmatch(hex, "%x+") do index[num] = (index[word] or 0) + 1 end; for k in pairs(index) do table.insert(sorted,k) end; table.sort(sorted); print(sorted); |
| 18:03.44 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'insert' (table expected, got nil) |
| 18:03.52 | Josh_Borke | lua> index, sorted = {}, {}; hex="aa, bb, gg"; for num in string.gmatch(hex, "%x+") do index[num] = (index[word] or 0) + 1 end; for k in pairs(index) do table.insert(sorted,k) end; table.sort(sorted); print(sorted); |
| 18:03.53 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: table: 0x67dd30 |
| 18:03.55 | Josh_Borke | blah! |
| 18:03.59 | Josh_Borke | lua> index, sorted = {}, {}; hex="aa, bb, gg"; for num in string.gmatch(hex, "%x+") do index[num] = (index[word] or 0) + 1 end; for k in pairs(index) do table.insert(sorted,k) end; table.sort(sorted); dump(sorted); |
| 18:04.00 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'dump' (a nil value) |
| 18:04.48 | Josh_Borke | lua> index, sorted = {}, {}; hex="aa, bb, gg"; for num in string.gmatch(hex, "%x+") do index[num] = (index[word] or 0) + 1 end; for k in pairs(index) do table.insert(sorted,k) end; table.sort(sorted); for i=1,#sorted do print(sorted[i]) end |
| 18:04.48 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: aa, bb |
| 18:04.57 | Josh_Borke | lua> index, sorted = {}, {}; hex="00, FF, ab, aa, bb, gg"; for num in string.gmatch(hex, "%x+") do index[num] = (index[word] or 0) + 1 end; for k in pairs(index) do table.insert(sorted,k) end; table.sort(sorted); for i=1,#sorted do print(sorted[i]) end |
| 18:04.58 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 00, FF, aa, ab, bb |
| 18:05.02 | Josh_Borke | i fail :-( |
| 18:05.15 | Josh_Borke | lua> tonumber("ff") |
| 18:05.15 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: nil |
| 18:05.23 | Shirik|Ecole | tonumber 16 ;) |
| 18:05.49 | Shirik|Ecole | lua> tonumber("ff", 16) |
| 18:05.50 | lua_bot | Shirik|Ecole: 255 |
| 18:06.06 | Josh_Borke | lua> index, sorted = {}, {}; hex="00, FF, ab, aa, bb, gg"; for num in string.gmatch(hex, "%x+") do index[num] = (index[word] or 0) + 1 end; for k in pairs(index) do table.insert(sorted,tonumber(k, 16)) end; table.sort(sorted); for i=1,#sorted do print(sorted[i]) end |
| 18:06.07 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 0, 170, 171, 187, 255 |
| 18:06.10 | Josh_Borke | woohoo! |
| 18:06.12 | Atriace | 0_o |
| 18:06.19 | Atriace | what theâ |
| 18:06.22 | Josh_Borke | lua> index, sorted = {}, {}; hex="00, FF, ab, aa, bb, gg"; for num in string.gmatch(hex, "%x+") do index[num] = (index[word] or 0) + 1 end; for k in pairs(index) do table.insert(sorted,tonumber(k, 16)) end; table.sort(sorted); for i=1,#sorted do print(string.format("%x", sorted[i])) end |
| 18:06.22 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 0, aa, ab, bb, ff |
| 18:06.29 | Josh_Borke | i am victorious |
| 18:06.46 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i just found a lichking with 139 million HP =P |
| 18:06.52 | cog|work | ~lart Josh_Borke |
| 18:06.52 | purl | cats /dev/urandom into Josh_Borke's ear |
| 18:07.01 | durcyn | man, it's a shame the bot doesn't respond to privmsg |
| 18:07.10 | Josh_Borke | oh pulease |
| 18:07.12 | Josh_Borke | nothing else was going on |
| 18:07.21 | Josh_Borke | one last step |
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| 18:07.30 | Thunder_Child | we hate you Josh_Borke |
| 18:07.36 | Josh_Borke | Thunder_Child: i know :-D |
| 18:07.51 | Mery | yeah you forgot to put a Thunder_Child into every line |
| 18:08.08 | Thunder_Child | TC works as well Mery |
| 18:08.55 | Mery | but then again maybe that's ping somebody else too |
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| 18:09.02 | Mery | that'd |
| 18:09.08 | Josh_Borke | lua> index, sorted = {}, {}; hex="00, FF, ab, aa, bb, gg"; for num in string.gmatch(hex, "%x+") do index[num] = (index[word] or 0) + 1 end; for k in pairs(index) do table.insert(sorted,tonumber(k, 16)) end; table.sort(sorted); min, max = FF, 00; for i=1,#sorted do num=tonumber(sorted[i],16); if num > max then max = num end if num < min then min = num end; end; print(min "-" max) |
| 18:09.08 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: ')' expected near 'max' |
| 18:09.18 | Josh_Borke | lua> index, sorted = {}, {}; hex="00, FF, ab, aa, bb, gg"; for num in string.gmatch(hex, "%x+") do index[num] = (index[word] or 0) + 1 end; for k in pairs(index) do table.insert(sorted,tonumber(k, 16)) end; table.sort(sorted); min, max = FF, 00; for i=1,#sorted do num=tonumber(sorted[i],16); if num > max then max = num end if num < min then min = num end; end; print(min, "-", max) |
| 18:09.18 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: luabot:1: attempt to compare number with nil |
| 18:09.39 | Thunder_Child | Mery, maybe, but i dont think so |
| 18:12.09 | Josh_Borke | lua> index, sorted = {}, {}; hex="00, ab, aa, bb, gg"; for num in string.gmatch(hex, "%x+") do index[num] = (index[word] or 0) + 1 end; for k in pairs(index) do table.insert(sorted,tonumber(k, 16)) end; table.sort(sorted); min, max = 255, 0; for i=1,#sorted do num=sorted[i]; if num > max then max = num end; if num < min then min = num end end; print(string.format("%x - %x", min, max)) |
| 18:12.09 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: 0 - bb |
| 18:12.18 | Josh_Borke | Atriace: there you have it |
| 18:12.34 | Atriace | Good work. |
| 18:12.41 | Josh_Borke | that was fun :-D |
| 18:12.45 | Atriace | hehe |
| 18:12.54 | Josh_Borke | i got to do something different for once |
| 18:14.32 | Thunder_Child | only took 11 tries |
| 18:14.45 | Josh_Borke | naw, i tested it on my machine first ;-) |
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| 18:15.01 | batrick | http://vimeo.com/1485123 <--- For those interested in LPEG |
| 18:15.06 | leethal | anyone got suggestions on a best practices-ish mod that involves COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED? (or COMBAT_LOG_EVENT for all i know) |
| 18:15.13 | Josh_Borke | LPEG? |
| 18:15.17 | batrick | !g LPEG |
| 18:15.18 | batbot | batrick: LPEG - What does LPEG stand for? Acronyms and abbreviations by the ... <http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/LPEG> |
| 18:15.22 | batrick | bah |
| 18:15.25 | batrick | !g LPEG lua |
| 18:15.25 | Josh_Borke | ~lpeg |
| 18:15.26 | purl | methinks lpeg is Parsing Expression Grammars (PEGs) for Lua (http://www.inf.puc-rio.br/~roberto/lpeg.html) |
| 18:15.26 | batbot | batrick: LPeg - Parsing Expression Grammars For Lua <http://www.inf.puc-rio.br/~roberto/lpeg.html> |
| 18:16.33 | Josh_Borke | i can't be bothered to read, what's special about it? |
| 18:16.36 | leethal | I bet there's lots of mods around using it, but I also bet not all of them is worth modeling your own stuff after |
| 18:17.55 | batrick | Josh_Borke: it's a video presentation by Roberto |
| 18:18.18 | Josh_Borke | no, i mean lpeg |
| 18:18.22 | Josh_Borke | or is the video why to use lpeg? |
| 18:18.37 | batrick | it's a video about lpeg... |
| 18:18.41 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 18:18.42 | batrick | from the lua workshop |
| 18:19.16 | Daedals | no keys yet? sad... |
| 18:19.45 | batrick | it's not like we aren't perpetually useful to blizzard or anything |
| 18:19.52 | batrick | totally not worth giving us keys |
| 18:20.12 | Xuerian | I'd say we're useful |
| 18:20.15 | Lunessa | http://blog.inksplot-studios.com/?cat=10 - laugh it up. |
| 18:20.39 | Xuerian | I mean that might be biased, but as authors we provide another dimension of ease of use and - for some people, like me even - another reason for users to stay subscribed to WoW |
| 18:20.45 | NightHawkAtWork | Xuerian: I think that.. maybe.. batrick may have been using sarcasm. |
| 18:20.52 | Xuerian | NightHawkAtWork: ... |
| 18:21.01 | Xuerian | Then.. so... was...... eh... i |
| 18:21.06 | Xuerian | <.< |
| 18:21.14 | amro | addon authors don't whine enough on beta forums |
| 18:21.17 | batrick | DOUBLE SARCASM IS UNPOSSIBLE |
| 18:21.29 | Daedals | maybe some useful person could ask blizzard uf we haven't get them tomorrow |
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| 18:22.25 | Daedals | "useful" like admin of some sort :) |
| 18:22.56 | Xuerian | Lunessa: Rofl |
| 18:23.52 | Xuerian | Daedals: I doubt it's much use - I can't see a reason why any of the admins would want to push their luck having already registered their users with another method of getting keys. Not to mention I'd wager a certain afk one in here would likely tear you a new one |
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| 18:24.29 | NightHawkAtWork | most certainly. |
| 18:24.41 | NightHawkAtWork | There's not a lot anyone outside of blizzard can do, in any case. |
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| 18:25.09 | Guest89547 | hi |
| 18:25.22 | |pez| | hello |
| 18:25.23 | Guest89547 | is cosmos broked? |
| 18:25.43 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 18:26.29 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: that's amusing |
| 18:26.30 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik |
| 18:26.31 | purl | Shirik: FAIL! |
| 18:26.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:26.35 | NightHawkAtWork | ~lart Shirik |
| 18:26.35 | purl | whacks Shirik with the cluebat |
| 18:26.41 | Shirik | :( :( |
| 18:27.28 | batrick | ~defend Shirik |
| 18:27.28 | purl | ACTION jumps in front of Shirik, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward Shirik so that Shirik may live on in peace and quiet |
| 18:27.35 | Shirik | :) |
| 18:27.51 | Shirik | fisheye/crucible works! |
| 18:27.55 | Shirik | Also crucible is rather impressive |
| 18:28.23 | Neo|Home | Daedals: I've asked a guy at Blizzard and he has no clue. he also haven't gotten any beta keys to hand out yet (only had a few alpha keys)... so I dunno who would know |
| 18:28.39 | Nom- | Shirik: woot! |
| 18:28.41 | Nom- | Shirik: Yes, yes it is |
| 18:28.59 | Shirik | Took me forever to get it set up though :( I had to open a ticket with atlassian and took them 3 days to figure it out |
| 18:29.18 | Shirik | but I was rather impressed by their support |
| 18:30.15 | Nom- | weeee |
| 18:30.22 | Nom- | downloading java @ 2MB per sec |
| 18:30.25 | Nom- | I love the office network |
| 18:30.35 | Nom- | 3mb a second now lol |
| 18:31.25 | Neo|Home | Nom-: I get that at home |
| 18:31.26 | Fisker- | ~debug.failrik() |
| 18:31.27 | purl | error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!"); |
| 18:31.32 | Nom- | I'm so bored at home that i'm actually doing work |
| 18:31.34 | Shirik | wtf >< |
| 18:31.40 | Nom- | and it's 2:30am... i need to sleep soon |
| 18:31.44 | Neo|Home | I actually have been surprised at times with comcast |
| 18:31.57 | Neo|Home | 2-3 MB/s burst rates that lasts enough to download a rather large file |
| 18:32.14 | Nom- | that was sustained for a 170MB download tho neo :P |
| 18:32.17 | Neo|Home | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.41 | Nom- | this isn't bad... i can max out 100Mbps connecting to local australian sites |
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| 18:33.43 | Xuerian | Lunessa: THE KITTY DOES NOT WANNA BE FRIENDS |
| 18:33.48 | Lunessa | http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/08/04/diablo-iii-designer-turns-tables/ + http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 18:34.00 | Lunessa | The author of that is really clever. |
| 18:34.28 | Nom- | ooo 5MB on that file :D |
| 18:34.53 | AckisWork | with the 3.0 changes thread on the forums, are the only things in the initial post items confirmed by blizzard? |
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| 18:35.09 | Nom- | im installing java on my workstation @ work via remote desktop coz i need to build the app i've been working on and deploy it... and it's fukn huge :/ |
| 18:37.42 | Neo|Home | Nom-: did a little test: Total bytes received = 524293.0K (100.00%), Average D/L speed = 2114.08Kb/s |
| 18:38.12 | Nom- | that's not bad, but it doesn't beat what i have acheived from local sites :P |
| 18:38.44 | Nom- | as i said... i've pulled @ 10MBps off ISP's in Australia |
| 18:38.51 | Neo|Home | right |
| 18:38.57 | Neo|Home | but for cable it's pretty good |
| 18:39.00 | Nom- | max our my 100Mbps link |
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| 18:39.02 | Nom- | indeed it is |
| 18:39.09 | Neo|Home | my brother in sweden has 100 Mbps fill duplex I believe |
| 18:39.18 | Nom- | having said that, you can get a DSL link which will consistently give you that kind of download speed here :P |
| 18:39.19 | Neo|Home | maybe he only paid for 20-30 Mbps though (fiber to the house) |
| 18:39.31 | Nom- | If you're close enough to the telephone exchange that is |
| 18:39.56 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: i saw that article, it's interesting seeing the reasons why they went with the color scheme they did |
| 18:40.33 | Nom- | i've seen some of our customers do ~ 8GB an hour on a DSL link :P |
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| 18:41.15 | Xuerian | Nom-: Is there a place where I can send hate mail? |
| 18:41.37 | Nom- | noone@nowhere.com ? |
| 18:41.51 | Xuerian | 'kay >.> |
| 18:42.06 | PProvost | Lunessa: Did you see the first comment on the MTV Blog. That made me laugh too. |
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| 18:42.28 | Lunessa | I agree. I'm pretty sure design teams usually have pretty good reasons for the things they do. When they don't they'll make changes, but his rebuttals all make good sense to me. |
| 18:42.41 | Xeross | ok i got MacroSequences working now |
| 18:42.56 | Xeross | But i want the icon to display the spell going to be cast |
| 18:43.57 | Nom- | I hope so, otherwise it's going to be a boring weekend for me |
| 18:44.33 | NightHawkAtWork | Nom-: we all hope so, but *shrug* just have to hope and be patient, really |
| 18:45.25 | cog|work | Xeross: that's not possible currently. I may add it as a feature in the future, but i haven't had much time to spend on my own projects for quite a while... |
| 18:47.02 | moocow1337 | does anyone know if warriors can use guns? |
| 18:47.10 | NightHawkAtWork | yes |
| 18:47.18 | moocow1337 | hmm |
| 18:47.26 | moocow1337 | i dont seem to be able to =[ |
| 18:47.44 | NightHawkAtWork | like every weapon, it requires training. |
| 18:47.58 | moocow1337 | i have training for it |
| 18:48.14 | moocow1337 | but every gun i can find is red |
| 18:48.20 | Dashkal | Level? |
| 18:48.29 | Seerah | moocow1337: are you sure you have trained it on that character? |
| 18:48.54 | moocow1337 | yeah |
| 18:48.58 | moocow1337 | its my main char |
| 18:49.01 | moocow1337 | level 35 |
| 18:49.03 | moocow1337 | wait |
| 18:49.09 | moocow1337 | i have 'shoot' |
| 18:49.15 | moocow1337 | which requires a ranged weapon |
| 18:49.18 | moocow1337 | thats the training right? |
| 18:49.28 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 18:49.29 | Seerah | is it from guns or bows? |
| 18:49.30 | NightHawkAtWork | no. |
| 18:49.33 | moocow1337 | oh |
| 18:49.35 | moocow1337 | hmm |
| 18:49.40 | NightHawkAtWork | guns and bows both use 'Shoot' |
| 18:49.42 | Thunder_Child | you have to go find a trainer in a major city |
| 18:49.46 | moocow1337 | alright |
| 18:49.50 | moocow1337 | is there a gun trainer in sw? |
| 18:49.59 | Dashkal | There's one in IF |
| 18:50.01 | NightHawkAtWork | IF i believe. |
| 18:50.02 | moocow1337 | or would if be a bettter choice? |
| 18:50.03 | moocow1337 | alright |
| 18:50.05 | moocow1337 | thanks |
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| 18:57.25 | Nom- | heh... app built and deployed, working flawlessly |
| 18:57.28 | Nom- | i'm going to zzzz |
| 18:57.29 | Nom- | nite all |
| 18:57.45 | amro | gnight Nom- |
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| 18:59.07 | Nom- | It's java... it doesn't break on it's own :D |
| 18:59.09 | Nom- | laters |
| 18:59.36 | Thunder_Child | nothing breaks on it's own. it's always PEBKAC |
| 19:00.22 | moocow1337 | can warriors use bows? |
| 19:00.40 | Shirik | iirc warriors can use anything? |
| 19:00.45 | amro | they can |
| 19:00.51 | amro | need to train it though |
| 19:00.53 | moocow1337 | alright |
| 19:00.58 | moocow1337 | so they can use anything? |
| 19:01.03 | amro | except wands |
| 19:01.08 | Shirik | except wands/librams/idols obviously |
| 19:01.09 | moocow1337 | ah ok |
| 19:01.17 | moocow1337 | what are librams or idols? |
| 19:01.18 | Shirik | and totems |
| 19:01.25 | moocow1337 | totems? |
| 19:01.40 | Pneumatus | librams are pally, idols are druid and totems are shaman ranged weapon slot items |
| 19:01.55 | Pneumatus | and DKs have that slot for their equivalent also |
| 19:02.00 | Pneumatus | i forgot what DK ones are called tho |
| 19:02.08 | Thunder_Child | relic? |
| 19:02.20 | Pneumatus | relic sounds about right |
| 19:02.29 | Shirik | isn't relic just the generic term? |
| 19:02.40 | Pneumatus | Sigils |
| 19:02.42 | Shirik | like all idols/librams are relics? |
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| 19:02.43 | Pneumatus | for DKs |
| 19:02.47 | Neo|Home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:02.53 | Neo|Home | didn't know DK's got their own ones |
| 19:03.00 | Fisker- | why wouldn't they? |
| 19:03.08 | Pneumatus | yeh, you get one in the starter zone |
| 19:03.35 | moocow1337 | alright cool thanks again |
| 19:03.47 | cog|work | Atriace: |
| 19:03.51 | cog|work | >>> http://pastey.net/93273 |
| 19:03.57 | Atriace | Hmm? |
| 19:04.02 | cog|work | no cide :( |
| 19:04.12 | Atriace | Oh... wow. |
| 19:04.26 | Pneumatus | they were only implemented because pallys/druids/shamans were fed up of having Egans blaster equipped forever, and moaning that they didnt get the stats of ranged weapons |
| 19:04.34 | Atriace | Wow, I'm impressed cogwheel. You didn't have to do that for me. Thanks. :) |
| 19:04.43 | Neo|Home | cog|work: so how dies it feel to be a female gnome... Specialist Cogwheel? |
| 19:05.01 | Fisker- | what is it cog|work? :o |
| 19:05.02 | Thunder_Child | Neo|Home, it feels like normal.... |
| 19:05.11 | Neo|Home | s/dies/does/ |
| 19:05.14 | Neo|Home | hrm |
| 19:05.20 | cog|work | Neo|Home: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557213929&sid=2000#13 |
| 19:05.23 | cog|work | ^ answer :) |
| 19:06.00 | cog|work | Atriace: i needed something to get my brain juices flowing again... |
| 19:06.38 | Neo|Home | cog|work: heh |
| 19:07.24 | cog|work | I'm actually more suspicious about Mordle Cogspinner since my RP name was Morton Cogwheel |
| 19:10.19 | cog|work | Atriace: you could probably improve that code's performance by sorting the source data and keeping a cursor to control where to begin looking for existing ranges |
| 19:12.47 | cog|work | actually... that gave me another idea... |
| 19:16.45 | Josh_Borke | cog|work: your code is much more complex than mine :-( |
| 19:17.09 | cog|work | Josh_Borke: yes it is |
| 19:17.32 | Josh_Borke | why's it so much better? :-( |
| 19:17.34 | cog|work | but it'll work with arbitrary bit widths |
| 19:17.59 | cog|work | rather than using the flag table method i described earlier |
| 19:18.58 | Josh_Borke | i don't understand what you mean by arbitrary bit widths, i r stupid |
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| 19:19.17 | Josh_Borke | oh wait |
| 19:19.18 | Josh_Borke | now i see |
| 19:19.19 | Josh_Borke | nvm |
| 19:19.21 | cog|work | and actually, i don't know that yours worked the way Atriace wanted |
| 19:19.36 | Josh_Borke | almost undoubtedly not |
| 19:19.53 | cog|work | yours is basically just a minmax i think |
| 19:20.19 | Josh_Borke | it f inds the range in the number provided |
| 19:20.29 | Josh_Borke | assuming 0 and 255 are the possible ones |
| 19:20.37 | cog|work | that's not what was asked for thoguh |
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| 19:21.19 | Atriace|work | The final results could be (and probably are) sets of ranges, not a single range. |
| 19:21.28 | Josh_Borke | ah, i see |
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| 19:21.35 | Josh_Borke | mine doesn't do that at all :-P |
| 19:21.54 | Atriace|work | Cogwheel: any idea if Blizzard really made that gnome in your honor? |
| 19:22.10 | Josh_Borke | i don't get the code :-/ |
| 19:22.10 | cog|work | i'm fairly certain it was coincidence |
| 19:22.37 | Neo|Home | are there other MVP references in the game? |
| 19:22.40 | cog|work | every other player homage has been a likeness |
| 19:22.45 | Neo|Home | or rather, any other that might be |
| 19:23.03 | cog|work | (e.g. the Blood Elf paladin trainer) |
| 19:23.39 | Josh_Borke | oh, now i get it |
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| 19:36.56 | Shirik | Nom-: ping |
| 19:37.10 | Thunder_Child | hewent to bed Shirik |
| 19:37.16 | Shirik | ah |
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| 19:37.40 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 19:37.47 | Fisker- | rawr, lion, etc. |
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| 19:38.18 | cog|work | Atriace|work: that idea I gave myself earlier: http://pastey.net/93282 |
| 19:38.24 | cog|work | simpler and faster |
| 19:38.38 | Lunessa | Oh the mockery, it is unrelenting! |
| 19:38.55 | Atriace|work | "smarter, faster, stronger, harder" |
| 19:39.07 | Neo|Home | That's what she said |
| 19:39.15 | Atriace|work | >_> |
| 19:39.30 | cog|work | Works on the data in-place unlike the last version |
| 19:39.52 | Atriace|work | Looking at it now. |
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| 19:43.15 | Weye1 | Does anybody have/remember the url for the "breaking news" bit of wow login screen? |
| 19:44.09 | Josh_Borke | must...make...better...crap |
| 19:46.41 | Lunessa | My ego would really be stoked by an NPC homage. Not likely to happen, but I'd have trouble fitting through doors. |
| 19:48.40 | Josh_Borke | cog|work: is that correct behavior for the testData? |
| 19:48.42 | cog|work | Atriace|work: hmm... looks like there's a bug |
| 19:48.49 | cog|work | jinx? |
| 19:48.49 | Josh_Borke | 01-02, 04-07, 09-0c, 10? |
| 19:49.07 | Josh_Borke | should it be 01-02, 04-07, 09-10? |
| 19:50.06 | Atriace|work | 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, B, C, D, E, F, 10 = 1-16 |
| 19:50.47 | cog|work | with my test data it should be 01-02, 04-07, 09-0F, 10 |
| 19:50.50 | Atriace|work | So, 09-0c ~= 09-10 |
| 19:51.28 | Josh_Borke | 09-0F has 10 next, right? |
| 19:51.37 | cog|work | i see the problem... |
| 19:52.04 | Atriace|work | Josh_Borke: yup |
| 19:52.41 | Josh_Borke | AH HA! |
| 19:53.37 | Josh_Borke | http://pastey.net/93283 |
| 19:53.41 | Josh_Borke | is my entry into the foray |
| 19:53.46 | Kirov | !lua format("%X",1001) |
| 19:53.46 | cog|work | http://pastey.net/93284 |
| 19:53.46 | batbot | Kirov: @ [string "return format("%X",1001)"]:1: attempt to call global 'format' (a nil value) |
| 19:53.52 | Kirov | !lua string.format("%X",1001) |
| 19:53.52 | batbot | Kirov: > 3E9 |
| 19:54.33 | Kirov | Why don't people just use that to do # > hex |
| 19:54.48 | cog|work | Kirov: use lua> instead of !lua |
| 19:54.54 | cog|work | it has global aliases from wow ;) |
| 19:55.09 | cog|work | lua> format("%x", 1001) |
| 19:55.09 | lua_bot | cog|work: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'format' (a nil value) |
| 19:55.15 | cog|work | O.o |
| 19:55.16 | Mery | LOL |
| 19:55.19 | cog|work | it should... |
| 19:55.25 | Neo|Home | hehe |
| 19:55.31 | cog|work | clad|away: did you stop using my lua distro? |
| 19:55.39 | Josh_Borke | mine is OBVIOUSLY superior because it uses less lines of code :-D |
| 19:55.46 | Neo|Home | cog|work: ah right I need to install the wow-modified lua for local testing |
| 19:55.47 | cog|work | lua> strjoin |
| 19:55.47 | lua_bot | cog|work: function: 0x68e820 |
| 19:55.51 | cog|work | lua> format |
| 19:55.51 | lua_bot | cog|work: nil |
| 19:56.07 | cog|work | or did i forget to include format? |
| 19:56.09 | cog|work | >< |
| 19:56.12 | Neo|Home | assume I can compile it on OS X |
| 19:56.24 | cog|work | Neo|Home: yes. it's a standard lua distro with additions |
| 19:56.43 | batrick | he's not using yoru distro cog, at least I don't think he is |
| 19:56.48 | batrick | not in luabot anyway |
| 19:57.18 | cog|work | lua> strtrim("123hello456", "126") |
| 19:57.18 | lua_bot | cog|work: 123hello456 |
| 19:57.25 | cog|work | yep he's not |
| 19:57.46 | cog|work | that "should've" output 3hello45 |
| 19:58.13 | Neo|Home | hmm |
| 19:58.26 | Neo|Home | they have a modified version of strtrim in wow? |
| 19:59.04 | batrick | if by modified you mean added then yes |
| 19:59.27 | cog|work | strtrim isn't part of Lua |
| 19:59.49 | cog|work | my implementation matches wow's, clad's doesn't. |
| 20:00.31 | cog|work | (nobody go reading value judgements into that statement please :P) |
| 20:01.01 | Lunessa | I'll match YOUR implementation. |
| 20:08.46 | Lunessa | Ok, that sounded funnier in my head. |
| 20:09.18 | cog|work | Josh_Borke: now make that code generic :P |
| 20:09.41 | Legorol | hi folks, any experienced shadow priest here by any chance? |
| 20:10.16 | Legorol | i've got 100 badges and trying to decide whether to get the spell crit or spell hit robe from the isle vendor, if anyone can enlighten me, i'd appreciate it |
| 20:11.26 | batrick | !lua points(1726, 3) |
| 20:11.27 | batbot | batrick: > 568, 3 |
| 20:13.11 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/08/07/forum-post-of-the-day-vicarious-legend/ win |
| 20:14.49 | Neo|Home | Legorol: if you need the spell hit spell hit is always best.. |
| 20:15.36 | Legorol | Neo|Home: that's what i'm trying to decide |
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| 20:15.52 | Legorol | I don't need it as such, I can easily get the 6% (+10% from talent), but i like the spirit on the hit robes |
| 20:16.04 | Legorol | if i have the hit, it would be extra, then i'd shift a few talent points |
| 20:16.10 | KarlKFI | rawr |
| 20:16.15 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 20:16.18 | Legorol | rawr to you too, Sir! |
| 20:17.31 | KarlKFI | yeah you better be esceared! |
| 20:17.48 | Legorol | i'd have to google what esceared means |
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| 20:18.33 | KarlKFI | excuses!' |
| 20:18.55 | KarlKFI | you're esceared and you dont even know it! |
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| 20:31.16 | Xuerian | |Jelly|: Rofl... |
| 20:31.36 | Xuerian | |Jelly|: I'd like to take this moment to laugh at all the hunters in the world, as well as call my hunter friend up and laugh at him |
| 20:33.01 | Mery | yay for drama *grabs popcorn* - g'night everyone |
| 20:35.25 | Arrowmaster | still no beta keys? |
| 20:35.28 | Xuerian | "Thori'dal was given to a rogue", he responds, "Go die in a fire." |
| 20:35.31 | Xuerian | awesome |
| 20:37.27 | NightHawkAtWork | Xuerian, |Jelly|: I am amused, but meh, it was bound to happen. Rogues got pissed when TF was given to hunters/pallies, the reverse was inevitable. |
| 20:38.01 | Xuerian | NightHawkAtWork: I'm just laughing because I don't have a a hunter, warrior, pally, or rogue |
| 20:38.25 | NightHawkAtWork | Xuerian: indeed. I find it amusing because I don't really care :D |
| 20:38.39 | Xuerian | lol |
| 20:39.53 | Arrowmaster | we joked that our MT would get it right after the hunters |
| 20:40.04 | Arrowmaster | since he always runs out of arrows to pull with |
| 20:40.12 | NightHawkAtWork | hehe |
| 20:41.00 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:41.00 | NightHawkAtWork | That's gotta be common to warriors, i've had it happen to me, and i've seen a number of others do the same thing |
| 20:41.00 | KarlKFI | pallies always run out of arrows |
| 20:41.03 | KarlKFI | good thing we can throw our shield |
| 20:41.42 | Xuerian | What's his name, "Captain America"? :p |
| 20:42.00 | Kirov | CaptainAzeroth |
| 20:42.06 | Xuerian | lol |
| 20:42.15 | Arrowmaster | and hopefully your axe too |
| 20:44.37 | Neo|Home | Arrowmaster: we had that issue until 1) our MT got a non-ammo using ranged weapon, 2) our hunters started doing their job |
| 20:45.05 | Arrowmaster | this would also happen in almost any 5man or 10man he tanked |
| 20:45.10 | Kirov | Your MT got a phazer? |
| 20:45.44 | Arrowmaster | but i think he also did start carrying around a thrown weapon |
| 20:46.24 | Neo|Home | Kirov: a mouse launcher |
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| 20:46.32 | Neo|Home | now they use ammo but make new ammo fast enough that you never run out |
| 20:46.48 | NightHawkAtWork | ... mouse launcher? |
| 20:47.49 | NightHawkAtWork | One of the tanks for my guild used to use the decaptator to pull, and just swap weapons back to her tanking one immediately after |
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| 20:49.56 | cladhaire | GOD omen of clarity is so good |
| 20:50.23 | NightHawkAtWork | the passive beta version i assume you mean? |
| 20:50.54 | cladhaire | no, the live version, actually |
| 20:50.59 | cladhaire | just got it (level 61) |
| 20:51.00 | cladhaire | and its <3 |
| 20:51.04 | NightHawkAtWork | ah, lol. :D |
| 20:51.07 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, it's pretty nice |
| 20:51.11 | cladhaire | i always forget |
| 20:51.16 | cladhaire | whats the passive one do? |
| 20:52.00 | NightHawkAtWork | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=16864 |
| 20:52.15 | NightHawkAtWork | basically the same as live, but it's passive always-on not a 30m buff, and it procs of spells |
| 20:52.27 | NightHawkAtWork | (as well as physical attacks) |
| 20:52.40 | NightHawkAtWork | (off*) |
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| 20:52.59 | Gnarfoz | halp |
| 20:53.11 | NightHawkAtWork | I wish I could say how good it was, but I'm not in beta.. yet >.> |
| 20:53.40 | Fisker- | why so serious Gnarfoz ? |
| 20:53.41 | Gnarfoz | need cr2032, can someone send me one through teleportation or somesuch :< |
| 20:53.52 | cladhaire | heh |
| 20:54.42 | Gnarfoz | I'm up to three by now... the one that needs replacing (at 0.6V instead of 3V), a random one I found in some gadget: 0.3V, the one from my ex-ex-mainboard: 0.0V |
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| 20:54.45 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 20:55.15 | Fisker- | why no patch for wotlk today? |
| 20:55.18 | Fisker- | this is madness |
| 20:55.26 | Pneumatus | wotlk patches are whenever they can be bothered |
| 20:55.36 | Gnarfoz | because I said so, Fisker-, that's just how awesome I am |
| 20:56.09 | Fisker- | obviously Pneumatus |
| 20:56.13 | Fisker- | but it's almost weekend |
| 20:56.16 | Fisker- | and i want it today ;_; |
| 20:56.19 | Neo|Home | NightHawkAtWork: they need to make lock/mage armors be always on |
| 20:56.27 | Neo|Home | makes no sense for them to be buffs now when they can't be dispelled |
| 20:56.37 | Pneumatus | i want new content, ive been sat on beta for a week with nothing to do :P |
| 20:56.40 | NightHawkAtWork | Neo|Home: I wish they'd do that with a lot of things, honestly. |
| 20:56.57 | NightHawkAtWork | mage/lock armors, righeous fury, shaman imbues |
| 20:57.02 | Neo|Home | durations on buffs you put on others, for sure |
| 20:57.10 | Neo|Home | yeah |
| 20:57.27 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, but really, durations on self-only buffs are a bit silly, imo |
| 20:58.03 | NightHawkAtWork | RF is obnoxious, as if it falls off during a long fight because you're a moron and forgot, it's like well.. crpa. |
| 20:58.16 | Pneumatus | inner fire needs to be passive |
| 20:58.24 | Pneumatus | especially now its actually some use |
| 20:59.28 | Neo|Home | but inner fire has charges right? |
| 20:59.47 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah |
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| 21:00.26 | Neo|Home | so it's meant to fall off |
| 21:01.19 | Pneumatus | yeh, they need to ditch that whole useless mechanic and make it passive |
| 21:01.27 | Pneumatus | or at least make it last forever with 20 charges |
| 21:01.28 | NightHawkAtWork | eh, I disagree |
| 21:01.34 | NightHawkAtWork | I dont mind the charges mechanic |
| 21:01.47 | NightHawkAtWork | it -would- be nice to nix the duration, and just let it fall off when you die/charges used, etc |
| 21:02.00 | Pneumatus | every other class has had their spells changed so they dont need to rebuff themselves every 10 mins |
| 21:02.09 | Pneumatus | priests need to see that love too |
| 21:02.09 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 21:02.12 | Gnarfoz | which ones are that? |
| 21:02.17 | Pneumatus | paladins |
| 21:02.20 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 21:02.26 | Pneumatus | yep. |
| 21:02.27 | Gnarfoz | rebuff every two minutes. |
| 21:02.29 | Gnarfoz | up from 30 seconds |
| 21:02.29 | NightHawkAtWork | Pneumatus: ... wha? tell that to my water shield spamming shaman. |
| 21:02.34 | Gnarfoz | go on with your class listing. |
| 21:02.43 | NightHawkAtWork | or my thorns spamming druid |
| 21:02.53 | NightHawkAtWork | or yeah, seal spamming pally, which only goes up to 2m in wrath. |
| 21:02.57 | Neo|Home | or my detect invis spamming warlock! |
| 21:03.10 | Gnarfoz | Neo|Home: well, that's right on the 10min mark :P |
| 21:03.24 | Neo|Home | hey it's a pain in the neck to rebuff the raid mid-twins gauntlet |
| 21:03.24 | Pneumatus | water shield matches the 10 mins, granted |
| 21:03.56 | Neo|Home | and man last time I used it, in Karazhan, that sucked too |
| 21:03.57 | Gnarfoz | at least if you don't use grid or some such to make it easy ;> |
| 21:03.57 | Neo|Home | :) |
| 21:04.03 | Neo|Home | I use zomg |
| 21:04.10 | Neo|Home | but I still have to press my right mouse button 25 times |
| 21:04.11 | NightHawkAtWork | lets see.. shaman shields, druid thorns, mages have amp/dampen, warriors have shouts, pallies have seals... i suppose rogues don't have anything.. |
| 21:04.21 | Gnarfoz | stealth ;p |
| 21:04.22 | Diao | poisons.. every hour |
| 21:04.25 | Gnarfoz | gank, stealth, gank, stealth |
| 21:04.31 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:04.34 | NightHawkAtWork | Diao: that's not at the 10ish minute limit, though |
| 21:04.38 | Pneumatus | yeh, poisons got rediculously buffed |
| 21:04.45 | Gnarfoz | they were 30mins before anyway |
| 21:04.49 | Gnarfoz | they never counted ;) |
| 21:04.51 | NightHawkAtWork | 30m with charges |
| 21:04.53 | Gnarfoz | (they had charges, once.) |
| 21:04.54 | Pneumatus | double the time, and charges removed |
| 21:04.57 | Diao | they used to disappear everytime you zoned too |
| 21:04.58 | NightHawkAtWork | you could burn charges pretty fast |
| 21:05.02 | Gnarfoz | that didn't happen at the same time, though |
| 21:05.13 | NightHawkAtWork | no, it was progressive changes :P |
| 21:05.19 | Gnarfoz | Diao: that's just their multi-server approach sucking ;p |
| 21:05.20 | Pneumatus | yeh, not to mention having to rebuff them as and when the server felt like removing them after running back to instances etc |
| 21:05.21 | Vilkku | Time in California is 14:05, gogo beta keys! |
| 21:05.53 | NightHawkAtWork | hunters i suppose don't have anything either, do they? |
| 21:05.57 | Gnarfoz | Pneumatus: which was because of your character being recreated bit by bit on another server on instance change. |
| 21:06.09 | Gnarfoz | don't think they do, NightHawkAtWork |
| 21:06.53 | NightHawkAtWork | so yeah.. 2 (3 if you count locks) out of 9 that don't have a <=10m buff. |
| 21:07.23 | Amarande | Vilkku: the opt in invites are being issued? |
| 21:07.34 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: yes? |
| 21:07.35 | Gnarfoz | :) |
| 21:07.42 | Neo|Home | NightHawkAtWork: hunters have aspects which although they have no duration might need changes |
| 21:07.44 | Gnarfoz | sadly, the author keys aren't. :< |
| 21:07.47 | NightHawkAtWork | Amarande: some opt-in invites have already gone out, actually, i'm going to bet Vilkku is referring to author beta keys |
| 21:07.51 | Neo|Home | like you might need to put up viper for mana |
| 21:07.51 | Vilkku | Amarande, just desparate and anxious wait for the author keys :P |
| 21:08.05 | Neo|Home | two rounds of opt in keys have gone out |
| 21:08.10 | NightHawkAtWork | Neo|Home: well, true, but that's not "i must rebuff every x time because it's fallen off" |
| 21:08.28 | NightHawkAtWork | that's a situational change, like paladin auras |
| 21:08.43 | Gnarfoz | which last forever! and rock, too |
| 21:08.44 | Pneumatus | yeh, compared to inner fire and water shield that you basically have to have buffed permanently |
| 21:09.03 | Gnarfoz | so, I'm gonna do some hackery here... |
| 21:09.11 | Gnarfoz | my only option left is the actual cmos battery of THIS box |
| 21:09.14 | NightHawkAtWork | Pneumatus: yeah, but like i said, most classes have short-duration buffs that they'll optimally want to keep up |
| 21:09.18 | Pneumatus | back in the days of AutoBuff it was no problem :> |
| 21:09.18 | Gnarfoz | so I'll remove that while it's on. :P |
| 21:09.39 | NightHawkAtWork | you could even count pallies if they're not using greater blessings (which, pre-60ish, they probably wont be.. but meh) |
| 21:09.53 | Pneumatus | normal blessings are 15 mins now arent they? |
| 21:09.53 | NightHawkAtWork | well, count pallies again, aside from seals. |
| 21:09.56 | Gnarfoz | 10 |
| 21:09.58 | NightHawkAtWork | 10m |
| 21:10.17 | Gnarfoz | bah, the days of 5min blessings (no greater ones at all) |
| 21:10.20 | Gnarfoz | WhisperCast was the shit. |
| 21:10.28 | Pneumatus | if i could buff inner fire at 30 mins with a reagent, id do it. |
| 21:10.28 | NightHawkAtWork | Gnarfoz: heh, yeah. i'm glad i was horde in those days. |
| 21:10.28 | Gnarfoz | and pallies... buff bots and OOC rezzers |
| 21:10.56 | Gnarfoz | I'm glad my warlock was my main back then ;D |
| 21:11.05 | Neo|Home | back then I was a priest |
| 21:11.29 | Gnarfoz | anyway, commence hardware destruction NOW |
| 21:11.38 | Pneumatus | back then i was a hunter, who could FD and drink and jumper cable res in boss fights |
| 21:12.45 | Gnarfoz | whew |
| 21:12.48 | Gnarfoz | it's still running ^^ |
| 21:15.26 | Gnarfoz | not really surprising though ;p |
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| 21:16.35 | Amarande | I've never used any greater blessings on my pally |
| 21:16.38 | Amarande | they seem a waste |
| 21:16.53 | Amarande | at least, in 5-man where most of the time everyone is different classed so you'd have to use a reagent separately for each person |
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| 21:18.28 | Arrowmaster | http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20080804 |
| 21:18.32 | Arrowmaster | i laughed so hard i cried |
| 21:19.06 | NightHawkAtWork | Amarande: i use greater blessings just because i fucking hate taking the time to rebless every 10 minutes. :p |
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| 21:20.21 | Josh_Borke | cog|work: generic how? ^_D |
| 21:21.08 | Gnarfoz | if you ever take any advice from me, let it be this: don't solder with just underpants on. ever. |
| 21:21.50 | Xuerian | Arrowmaster: I've felt that pain, rofl |
| 21:22.13 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: I am really afraid to hear just how you learned that lession the hard way |
| 21:22.26 | cog|work | Josh_Borke: mine will work on any type of data that you can convert into a table of ranges (a range being {start = #, finish = #}) |
| 21:22.29 | Gnarfoz | huh? no this was random, I'm not soldering anything |
| 21:22.49 | Dashkal | oh good :p |
| 21:22.54 | cog|work | yours only addresses the specific problem Atriace|work was working on |
| 21:23.00 | Gnarfoz | it's Fisker-'s influence |
| 21:23.02 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 21:24.47 | Josh_Borke | oh, right, but who codes for the future? |
| 21:24.49 | Josh_Borke | i mean REALLY :-P |
| 21:25.24 | cog|work | Not the person who designed the databse we have at work :( |
| 21:25.32 | Cairenn|afk | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765578256&postId=87646501101&sid=1#0 |
| 21:25.34 | Lunessa | Hate that so much |
| 21:27.05 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: damn you |
| 21:27.23 | Arrowmaster | the login error was my downfall |
| 21:28.05 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: =P |
| 21:28.19 | cog|work | Josh_Borke: the database we have at work fits every one of the criteria listed http://davidhayden.com/blog/dave/archive/2005/05/19/1029.aspx |
| 21:28.46 | Arrowmaster | eh wtf why the hell do the forums show me as unguilded |
| 21:29.04 | AckisWork | hah cog|work apparently you work for curse now |
| 21:29.08 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: go to the character selection screen |
| 21:29.15 | cog|work | (the forum one) |
| 21:29.15 | Arrowmaster | and so does the armory |
| 21:29.19 | cog|work | oh... |
| 21:29.23 | Arrowmaster | this isnt good |
| 21:29.30 | ReAn | mebbe you got gkicked? |
| 21:29.41 | Gnarfoz | doing that for me, too, dun worry |
| 21:30.04 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt get gkicked |
| 21:30.58 | Arrowmaster | but since Gnarfoz said that im feeling better and wont login wow right now to check |
| 21:30.59 | Dashkal | drat, posted on the wrong char. oh well |
| 21:31.09 | Lunessa | I would get gkicked... if I weren't my own gleader. |
| 21:32.03 | Gnarfoz | I did log in, Arrowmaster because I was scared oO but then, there's only two people who can kick me, phew |
| 21:32.31 | Arrowmaster | i dont think anybody but the guild leader can kick in my guild |
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| 21:32.45 | Arrowmaster | the officers get drunk too much |
| 21:32.52 | NightHawkAtWork | hah |
| 21:33.14 | Arrowmaster | yes our guild does drunken AV premades |
| 21:35.03 | ReAn | i hate the ghostlands so much >_< |
| 21:37.01 | AckisWork | cog|work: are all your characters MVP's or just one? |
| 21:37.18 | ScytheBlade1 | AckisWork: account-wide-green |
| 21:37.25 | cog|work | ^ |
| 21:38.13 | ckknight | ReAn: why's that? |
| 21:38.18 | AckisWork | ohh cool |
| 21:39.15 | ReAn | prolly cuz im not used to it |
| 21:39.25 | ReAn | im way over "exploring" the game, etc... |
| 21:39.28 | ReAn | like way over it |
| 21:39.41 | ReAn | when im leveling an alt, i just want it to hit 70 asap |
| 21:39.52 | ReAn | screw ghostlands and it's unfamilliarness |
| 21:40.23 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5033887/penny-arcade-announces-fatal1ty--wont-be-at-pax < oh god thats so funny because i actually know people that have competed against him and they say hes a total asshat and will use cheapest tactics to win if he has to |
| 21:41.48 | ReAn | i also hate thursdays so much |
| 21:42.14 | ReAn | and that's because thursdays are kill illidumb and then do something pointless day :/ |
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| 21:42.48 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: do they give points depending on how you won? |
| 21:43.01 | Arrowmaster | in what? |
| 21:43.12 | Gnarfoz | I dunno? in whatever competition you referred to? |
| 21:43.20 | Arrowmaster | dont think so |
| 21:43.27 | Arrowmaster | its 1v1 stuff |
| 21:43.37 | Gnarfoz | so that pretty much makes 'cheap tactics' irrelevant, he won :p |
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| 21:45.00 | Gnarfoz | next up: people complaining about headshots in FPS's. "that's such a cheap thing to do, boooo :<" |
| 21:45.18 | Neo|Home | so the green post in that thread is wrong. :P |
| 21:45.23 | Neo|Home | just an unusually "present" dev |
| 21:45.47 | batrick | i wouldn't say unnusually, just necessarily |
| 21:46.17 | Arrowmaster | the one in particualar was back when painkiller was still being played in 1v1 competitions, and one level had a bunch of pipes all around the top of it above all the paths, and he somehow got ontop of them and would not come down, couldnt be easly hit up there and was able to kill the person trying to get up there before they could attack him |
| 21:46.27 | Neo|Home | I meant that he was as active on the forums as you'd expect a CM to be, not a dev (post-release) |
| 21:46.45 | AckisWork | zoot is active as well |
| 21:47.12 | Neo|Home | was zoot always a dev or did he join in later? |
| 21:48.19 | Gnarfoz | well, if you can go up there by legal means, then I don't see how that qualifies as anything else than "the other guy didn't know how to get up there or had scruples to do so" ;> (but I'm not into FPS competitions anyway :P) |
| 21:50.10 | Arrowmaster | well i think the issue was that the way to get up there required doing things that made it impossible to fight back, such as rocket jumping |
| 21:50.34 | Arrowmaster | and i would be suppriesed if that map was used in an event after that one |
| 21:50.46 | Amarande | yeah, that's not bad player behavior, that's just imba level design |
| 21:50.53 | Arrowmaster | its both |
| 21:51.02 | Xuerian | It depends on the community to play in, really. |
| 21:51.11 | Xuerian | s/to/you/ |
| 21:51.16 | Amarande | still, you can't really punish the player for taking advantage of the fact that the level designer failed |
| 21:51.24 | Amarande | though I suppose there's cases where you have to |
| 21:51.29 | Arrowmaster | the guy was better than him but as soon as he got a 1 point lead he hid up there forcing the person to come after him |
| 21:51.37 | Amarande | since you can be a great level designer, and not have the playing greats to take full advantage of bits of your level |
| 21:52.06 | Gnarfoz | well, that detail makes it sound a bit different now |
| 21:52.32 | Arrowmaster | but yeah it was 'legal' in the tournment but still an extremely cheap and disrespectful thing to do |
| 21:52.40 | Xuerian | Truth. Level designers can't really think of every single angle of attack a player would or would consider making. |
| 21:53.07 | Amarande | Hence all sorts of odd shortcuts in, say, competitive DOOM |
| 21:53.19 | Amarande | even single player, they keep finding all kinds of odd tricks that Romero & Co. never thought of |
| 21:53.22 | Gnarfoz | the only doom I play is psdoom |
| 21:53.48 | Amarande | which are important, because the primary single player competition is to make speed recordings of levels |
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| 21:54.12 | Amarande | heh the first level of DOOM II is interesting there |
| 21:54.22 | Amarande | the current champion demo? it takes longer for DOOM to load it than to play it |
| 21:54.50 | Amarande | you wait maybe 10-20 seconds for DOOM to load, then less than ten seconds after that it's over |
| 21:54.58 | Arrowmaster | heh at one point didnt the leading video of shortest completion of one of the dooms or quakes have the guy stoping to type in comments quite a few times |
| 21:56.39 | Gnarfoz | is there a good speed-run resource? |
| 21:56.44 | Gnarfoz | like, with vids? |
| 21:56.53 | Dashkal | speed demo archives |
| 21:57.07 | Amarande | for DOOM you're looking for http://competn.doom2.net |
| 21:57.23 | Gnarfoz | I liked the hl1 speedrun where he skipped an entire level by building a stair out of those tripmines. :D |
| 21:57.42 | Fisker- | beep beep |
| 21:57.44 | Fisker- | i'm an alarm clock |
| 21:58.02 | Gnarfoz | keep beeping then, I'm not getting up, yet |
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| 21:59.02 | Amarande | Every level of DOOM II, except for levels 9, 13, 17, and 29, has been completed in less than one minute from scratch on Ultra-Violence difficulty. |
| 22:00.07 | Gnarfoz | doom doesn't even feature higher-res graphics than a 1989 gameboy, right? :< |
| 22:00.21 | Amarande | by 'scratch' I mean what you have if you enter the level via the 'warp' command line option or the level warp cheat code (also what you have after you've just died and respawned) |
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| 22:00.31 | Amarande | 320x200, using the standard DOOM exe |
| 22:00.38 | Amarande | programs like PrBoom let you play in hi res, though |
| 22:00.40 | Kirov | There are versions of doom that can run Doom at 640x480 and higher |
| 22:01.10 | AckisWork | ohhh 640x480 how sexy |
| 22:02.21 | Kirov | http://www.doomworld.com/classicdoom/ports/index.php?platform=2 |
| 22:04.38 | Amarande | Ack: you youngins are spoiled |
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| 22:05.03 | Kirov | There are updated versions of doom released w/ upresed textures, all 3d characters, and some of the levels redone to include *gasp* angled floors and ceilings |
| 22:05.03 | AckisWork | I'm not a youngins :P |
| 22:05.12 | Wraanger | heyaz |
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| 22:29.51 | cncfanatics | anyone got some sample code to popup a simple messagebox with yes/no ? |
| 22:31.08 | cladhaire | see TomTom, Clique, wowwiki, etc. |
| 22:31.36 | cladhaire | search for StaticPopup |
| 22:32.11 | Xuerian | or the staticpopup framexml file.. either way |
| 22:33.00 | cladhaire | :P |
| 22:33.07 | cncfanatics | could you actualy use the staticpopup directly ? |
| 22:33.10 | cladhaire | yes |
| 22:33.11 | cncfanatics | or would that taint stuff ? |
| 22:33.12 | cladhaire | of course |
| 22:33.13 | cncfanatics | great |
| 22:33.22 | Xuerian | It's a system just like uiframeflash |
| 22:33.45 | Xuerian | well, in the fact that it's a generic system the devs wrote, not in what it does, obviously <_< |
| 22:34.22 | cncfanatics | how exactly to use it ? |
| 22:34.30 | cncfanatics | the framexml code just seems to be a huge table |
| 22:34.31 | cladhaire | any of those places will show you |
| 22:41.58 | cncfanatics | found it |
| 22:41.59 | cncfanatics | tnx cladhaire |
| 22:55.07 | Tuller | so a friend, as a joke put 35 cases of coke on his wedding registry |
| 22:55.19 | Tuller | http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6751/dsc01004dw3.jpg |
| 22:55.27 | Tuller | that was the end result |
| 22:55.53 | ckknight | lol |
| 22:55.59 | NightHawkAtWork | excellent |
| 22:56.33 | kd3 | lol |
| 22:56.56 | NightHawkAtWork | hm |
| 22:57.16 | clad|sleep | delicious |
| 22:57.17 | Sixen | haieez |
| 22:57.18 | NightHawkAtWork | note to self, in x-chat ctrl-L clears the window |
| 22:57.33 | cncfanatics | clad|sleep: any way to pass args with the staticframe ? |
| 22:57.41 | clad|sleep | a limited few, yes |
| 22:57.49 | clad|sleep | but you can just set them as attributes on the frame, or in some other global place. |
| 22:58.00 | clad|sleep | see the AbandonQuest static popup |
| 22:58.08 | clad|sleep | I think :P |
| 22:58.13 | cncfanatics | I'll just set em as locals then |
| 23:06.02 | Xuerian | cncfanatics: To or from the frame? 0_o |
| 23:06.54 | cncfanatics | Xuerian: pass them to and get them from when it calls OnAccept or OnCancel |
| 23:07.00 | cncfanatics | fixing it with some static variable coding |
| 23:08.00 | Xuerian | cncfanatics: dialog = StaticPopup_Show(...) dialog.data = {...}, OnAccept = function(data) end |
| 23:08.07 | Xuerian | At least, that's how the loot confirmation dialog works |
| 23:08.35 | cncfanatics | thats quite ugly :o wasting tables ftw |
| 23:08.51 | Xuerian | How often is the user going to see this dialog? |
| 23:09.31 | Xuerian | I mean, once every second, or ten seconds, or even thirty seconds, I can see a issue. /shrug. I was pointing out the blizzard usage for it |
| 23:09.58 | cncfanatics | every time something gets looted |
| 23:10.13 | Kirov | A new table once every frame is still not all that bad. |
| 23:10.32 | Kirov | It's the hundreds of new tables per second that's the kicker. |
| 23:10.38 | Xuerian | If you've got a better method, go for it. I'm trying to point out that this isn't a situation where being anal-retentive with garbage will get you anywhere |
| 23:10.39 | cncfanatics | well, I rather work with local vars tbh |
| 23:11.08 | cncfanatics | I prefer working with em, and it takes less memory too :p |
| 23:11.40 | Kirov | local to file scope vars should work just fine |
| 23:11.55 | Xuerian | Curiosity piqued though, what are you working on? |
| 23:16.15 | cncfanatics | a raid tracker for my guild |
| 23:16.42 | Xuerian | What all is it going to track? |
| 23:16.53 | Sixen | Hmmm on the forums, there's no Ignore list, right? |
| 23:16.59 | Sixen | We just gotta remember who we've ignored? |
| 23:17.04 | cncfanatics | Sixen: there is |
| 23:17.07 | cncfanatics | you can hide someone's post |
| 23:17.09 | Sixen | Is there? |
| 23:17.12 | cncfanatics | and it'll hide all its posts, forever |
| 23:17.16 | cncfanatics | if you mean wow forums that is |
| 23:17.21 | cncfanatics | dunno for wowui / wowace forums |
| 23:17.26 | Sixen | Ah, I meant WoW. |
| 23:17.39 | Sixen | It ignores the post, but there's no actual list of ignored posters in your Options or anything. |
| 23:17.56 | cncfanatics | should ignore all that user's posts |
| 23:18.50 | cncfanatics | omg, I can't remember how to make slashcommands |
| 23:18.53 | cncfanatics | fail |
| 23:19.21 | cncfanatics | found it |
| 23:19.25 | cncfanatics | wowwiki ftw :p |
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| 23:34.49 | Tekkub | so have we figured out what the diff is between the two percents returned by the detailed threat lookup? |
| 23:35.42 | ScytheBlade1 | AlexanderYoshi told us |
| 23:35.55 | Tekkub | and the majick answer was? |
| 23:36.04 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 23:36.10 | Tekkub | time's up |
| 23:36.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557069966&sid=2000#5 |
| 23:37.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I think he messed up the second though |
| 23:38.05 | Tekkub | erm. so the first is rebalanced to 1-100% where the second is the "true" percent that people are used to from threatmeters? |
| 23:38.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The first is 0-100% of when you pull |
| 23:38.19 | ScytheBlade1 | The second is the actual % of threat vs. the tank |
| 23:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 23:38.38 | Tekkub | okey, that makes more sense than "110-130%" |
| 23:39.16 | Tekkub | I'll be using the rebalanced one :) |
| 23:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That % changes based on range, be aware |
| 23:41.31 | kd3 | yay, got the strat achievement |
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| 23:43.16 | Pneumatus | looking forward to seeing some proper updates on wowhead now they finally sorted their looter addon :> |
| 23:47.46 | Tekkub | yea I know |
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| 23:51.10 | Pneumatus | scraping cache files is all very well, but doesnt really help link loot to mobs and so |
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