IRC log for #wowuidev on 20080806

`00:00.10`	`Xuerian`	`NightHawkTheSane: Find in Files is better :)`
`00:03.42`	`Xuerian`	`foxlit: Just wanna thank you for (O)Pie, randomly :P`
`00:03.58`	`foxlit`	`You're randomly welcome? :)`
`00:04.07`	`Xuerian`	`:P`
`00:05.44`	`*** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (n=Dark_Elf@ip221.net253.mw.net)`
`00:07.54`	`Diao`	`i think i may switch to opie for totems on my shaman alt`
`00:08.05`	`Diao`	`since yata hasn't been updated in like`
`00:08.06`	`Diao`	`forever`
`00:08.37`	`Shirik`	`atlassian support sucks, huh?`
`00:08.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Xuerian: but not as easy.`
`00:08.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Xuerian: regardless.. that's no excuse for it CRASHING the program.`
`00:08.57`	`Xuerian`	`true that`
`00:09.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Diao: i've considered trying that, actually`
`00:12.01`	`Xuerian`	`Diao: That's what i'm going to do when I start playing him again`
`00:13.21`	`Industrial`	`anyone here use nLite?`
`00:18.07`	`Xuerian`	`I do, Indy`
`00:18.14`	`Xuerian`	`foxlit: Agreed >_<`
`00:18.17`	`foxlit`	`For some reason, it wants to render fonts a fair bit larger than I want them.`
`00:18.26`	`Industrial`	`I accidentally deleted my recycle bin icon`
`00:18.29`	`Industrial`	`cant get it back`
`00:18.32`	`Industrial`	`~fail Industrial`
`00:18.33`	`purl`	`Industrial, you Fail!`
`00:18.39`	`foxlit`	`You can't "delete" that icon`
`00:18.49`	`foxlit`	`You may hide it, but getting it back from desktop properties is trivial`
`00:19.46`	`foxlit`	`hm, or not`
`00:20.04`	`Xuerian`	`0_0`
`00:20.09`	`Xuerian`	`desktop`
`00:20.12`	`Xuerian`	`er`
`00:20.20`	`Industrial`	`foxlit: I already googled, too :P`
`00:20.31`	`Xuerian`	`right click desktop -> properties -> desktop (?) -> recycle bin icon`
`00:20.35`	`foxlit`	`I didn't :)`
`00:20.50`	`Industrial`	`Xuerian: nop. icon is there but not on the desktop`
`00:21.00`	`foxlit`	`Xuerian: the trick is that lets you change the icon, but not the presence on the desktop`
`00:21.01`	`Xuerian`	`ANY icons on the desktop?`
`00:21.06`	`Xuerian`	`bleh`
`00:21.36`	`KarlKFI`	`change it to a transparent icon and put it int he corner :P`
`00:22.00`	`Industrial`	`fixed!`
`00:22.05`	`Xuerian`	`Oh? do tell`
`00:22.07`	`foxlit`	`Hm, perhaps I'm blaming the wrong browser`
`00:23.05`	`Xuerian`	`foxlit: vs what?`
`00:23.13`	`foxlit`	`Oh, it's worse`
`00:24.17`	`foxlit`	`Mac and windows disagree on what the scale of a certain font should be`
`00:24.30`	`foxlit`	`firefox on both systems ends up rendering the thing differently`
`00:24.39`	`Xuerian`	`o_0`
`00:24.45`	`Xuerian`	`Should be documented differences.`
`00:24.54`	`Xuerian`	`Problematic, nontheless`
`00:25.58`	`foxlit`	`It's evil`
`00:26.06`	`foxlit`	`I can get away from platform-specifics by specifying a pixel size`
`00:26.10`	`foxlit`	`But that breaks scaling.`
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`00:32.11`	`Shirik`	`wtfhax`
`00:32.15`	`Shirik`	`I'm in the middle of najentus fight`
`00:32.17`	`Shirik`	`DC`
`00:32.25`	`Shirik`	`come back within 2 minutes, fight still not over, I'm in shatt`
`00:33.18`	`Neo\|Home`	`did someone zone back in?`
`00:33.22`	`Neo\|Home`	`I mean someone else`
`00:33.47`	`Ackis`	`on beta, how do you change the text colour of UIPanelCloseButton?`
`00:34.10`	`Shirik`	`Neo\|Home, I don't even see how that would be possible`
`00:34.16`	`Shirik`	`however, the answer to that should be no`
`00:34.36`	`Xuerian`	`Shirik: That's happened to me a few times`
`00:34.40`	`Xuerian`	`Though from bg not instance`
`00:34.51`	`Industrial`	`Ackis: UIPanelCloseButton.Text:SetVertexColor() ? :P (just kidding)`
`00:35.39`	`Ackis`	`:P`
`00:35.50`	`Shirik`	`I still get badge`
`00:35.51`	`Shirik`	`yay`
`00:36.04`	`Ackis`	`they screwed around w/ settextcolor so I'm fixing it to work on beta and still look "pretty"`
`00:36.12`	`Xuerian`	`Shirik: Agh dammit`
`00:36.14`	`Xuerian`	`like just now`
`00:36.17`	`Shirik`	`?`
`00:36.24`	`Xuerian`	`DC`
`00:36.26`	`Xuerian`	`back to shatt`
`00:36.51`	`Shirik`	`wierd`
`00:37.16`	`Xuerian`	`Which annoys me, I was in a good EotS`
`00:37.51`	`Ackis`	`lua> gsub("\|cFFFFFFFFfoo\|r", "\124", "\|")`
`00:37.52`	`lua_bot`	`Ackis: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'gsub' (a nil value)`
`00:37.57`	`Ackis`	`lua> stringgsub("\|cFFFFFFFFfoo\|r", "\124", "\|")`
`00:37.58`	`lua_bot`	`Ackis: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'stringgsub' (a nil value)`
`00:38.00`	`Ackis`	`gah`
`00:38.41`	`Ackis`	`lua> string.gsub("\|cFFFFFFFFfoo\|r", "\124", "\|")`
`00:38.41`	`lua_bot`	`Ackis: \|cFFFFFFFFfoo\|r, 2`
`00:38.41`	`Ackis`	`it's time to get a new keybaord`
`00:38.41`	`Ackis`	`lua> string.gsub("\|cFFFFFFFFfoo\|r", "\124", "\|\|")`
`00:38.41`	`lua_bot`	`Ackis: \|\|cFFFFFFFFfoo\|\|r, 2`
`00:40.27`	`Ackis`	`lua> foo = "\|cffffff[345]\|r - \CffffffffElixir of Major Firepower \|r;string.match(foo, "\|c.%[.%]\|r %- \|c%x(.)\|r")`
`00:40.28`	`lua_bot`	`Ackis: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '\|'`
`00:40.39`	`KarlKFI`	`yeah that SetTextColor change broke a lot of addons`
`00:40.46`	`Ackis`	`lua> foo = "\|cffffffff[345]\|r - \|cffffffffElixir of Major Firepower \|r;string.match(foo, "\|c.%[.%]\|r %- \|c%x(.)\|r")`
`00:40.46`	`lua_bot`	`Ackis: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '\|'`
`00:40.51`	`KarlKFI`	`they should just make an alias`
`00:41.10`	`Ackis`	`can i send luabot messages so I don't spam the channel?`
`00:41.13`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`00:41.15`	`Shirik`	`please do`
`00:41.23`	`Ackis`	`:P`
`00:41.30`	`Ackis`	`keyboard is fail`
`00:41.37`	`\|pez\|`	`Waahaha :D http://www.gamaniak.com/video-2822-presto-pixar.html`
`00:41.38`	`Ackis`	`(working w/o a full spacebar)`
`00:43.52`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`00:43.55`	`Ackis`	`btw I hate pattern matching :P`
`00:43.58`	`Diao`	`if i use opie i won't have totem timer bars anymore from yata :(`
`00:44.29`	`Neo\|Home`	`pattern matching in LUa is annoying as heck`
`00:44.34`	`Neo\|Home`	`WTB real regexps`
`00:44.43`	`Ackis`	`no I'm just stupid when it comes to it`
`00:45.18`	`haste`	`Neo\|Home: do not want`
`00:45.33`	`Neo\|Home`	`haste: truly. want. :P`
`00:45.34`	`haste`	`let PEGs handle that if anything`
`00:45.39`	`Neo\|Home`	`PEGs?`
`00:45.42`	`haste`	`but no thanks`
`00:45.45`	`foxlit`	`Neo\|Home: what is it exactly that you're missing, anyway?`
`00:45.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`foxlit: familiarity. ;)`
`00:45.56`	`haste`	`Neo\|Home: http://www.inf.puc-rio.br/~roberto/lpeg.html`
`00:46.13`	`Ackis`	`string of colorcode[number]endcolorcode - colorcodeTextendcolorcode`
`00:46.22`	`Xuerian`	`\|pez\|: That was awesome`
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`00:47.03`	`foxlit`	`lua's :match() is awesome :)`
`00:47.04`	`Neo\|Home`	`foxlit: ability to write patterns that work like I'm used to :P`
`00:47.11`	`foxlit`	`Ah, well`
`00:47.14`	`foxlit`	`GO BACK TO PERL`
`00:47.18`	`foxlit`	`There :)`
`00:47.23`	`Neo\|Home`	`I hate perl`
`00:47.30`	`Neo\|Home`	`regexps are hardly a "perl" thing`
`00:47.56`	`Diao`	`wtb basic totem timer addon that uses bars and not icons :(`
`00:48.00`	`Neo\|Home`	`I've used them in C(++), Java, unix command line tools, emacs, Pike, PHP, Perl...`
`00:48.10`	`Neo\|Home`	`various level of complex versions`
`00:48.33`	`haste`	`then you should have no issue with the lua patterns`
`00:48.52`	`foxlit`	`PERL is just short for WHEREVER THE HECK YOU CAME FROM`
`00:49.00`	`foxlit`	`Caps are used sparingly, you see :)`
`00:49.45`	`foxlit`	`Most things end up using perl's version of regex anyway :)`
`00:49.52`	`Shirik`	`Neo\|Home: No, but perl was built around regexes :)`
`00:50.10`	`Shirik`	`originally, at least`
`00:51.11`	`Neo\|Home`	`haste: I can't tell you exactly the issues I had but it was frustrating`
`00:51.17`	`Neo\|Home`	`mind you got it working in the end`
`00:51.34`	`haste`	`you'll get used to it`
`00:51.44`	`haste`	`after that you'll hate regexps :3`
`00:51.57`	`Neo\|Home`	`sure. doesn't mean I don't want a better alternative`
`00:52.08`	`haste`	`PEG`
`00:52.10`	`haste`	`D:`
`00:52.12`	`Neo\|Home`	`like I can get used to using bourne shell but that doesn't mean I won't want to use zsh :P`
`00:52.41`	`haste`	`I still haven't given zsh a go`
`00:52.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`PEG seems more like something you use for parsing, say, lua. :P`
`00:53.08`	`Neo\|Home`	`I actually initially swapped from bash because I got tired of bash messing up the readline stuff`
`00:53.18`	`Neo\|Home`	`...which still happens with bash/readline based stuff...`
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`00:57.17`	`Shirik`	`WTF`
`00:57.21`	`Shirik`	`During supremus fight`
`00:57.23`	`Shirik`	`I DC again`
`00:57.26`	`Shirik`	`I'm in Shatt again`
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`00:59.37`	`Shirik`	`Neo\|Home: There is a better alternative`
`00:59.39`	`Shirik`	`it's called LPEG`
`00:59.43`	`Shirik`	`unfortunately you can't use that in WoW`
`00:59.50`	`Shirik`	`I would love to see LPEG be integrated into Lua core though`
`01:00.20`	`Kirov`	`Anyone know the full options for SetFont?`
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`01:03.53`	`bleeter`	`Shirik: yeah, that's a total bummer that. The lolcode lua interpreter needs LPEG to work, so no lolcode AddOns for us! :(`
`01:04.03`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`01:04.12`	`Shirik`	`you may be able to use it with the environment I'm creating`
`01:04.22`	`Shirik`	`actually no`
`01:04.49`	`\|pez\|`	`I need a c-vitamin boo..ooh, I have Orangejuice damnit!`
`01:04.51`	`Shirik`	`I should make a C interpreter :P`
`01:06.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So`
`01:06.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I found Zoot`
`01:06.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Wrath/WoWScrnShot_080508_173108.jpg`
`01:06.48`	`Cairenn`	`hehehehe`
`01:06.54`	`Cairenn`	`have you found cogwhell yet?`
`01:07.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`nope, but now I get to go searching!`
`01:07.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hmm, wowwiki doesn't have him listed as an NPC`
`01:07.36`	`Seerah`	`hehe - check out this hot air balloon :) http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Most-Emailed-Photos-San-Diego-Zoo-giant-panda-cub-habitat-destruction/ss/1756/im:/080803/480/937793a5d622448b97c8e85e4feb88d9/#photoViewer=/080725/480/f04d626410414566bf2a8f357cab5a36`
`01:07.39`	`Cairenn`	`I love the Startrek reference in there, too`
`01:07.45`	`Shirik`	`that is one hell of a URL`
`01:07.46`	`Shirik`	`seriously`
`01:08.07`	`Shirik`	`seriously, it has 2 MD5s in it`
`01:08.13`	`Shirik`	`is that really necessary?`
`01:08.45`	`Cairenn`	`wheel*`
`01:09.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Wrath/WoWScrnShot_080508_172344.jpg <-- that too`
`01:09.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Mostly the quest text`
`01:10.13`	`Shirik`	`oh hell`
`01:10.16`	`Shirik`	`Sbo is a gnome?`
`01:10.21`	`Shirik`	`You will pay when I get onto beta`
`01:10.23`	`Shirik`	`severely`
`01:10.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`01:10.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Sbo has always been a gnome`
`01:10.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've dueled you before as Sbo, as a gnome :P`
`01:10.37`	`Shirik`	`die`
`01:10.40`	`\|pez\|`	`... no I don't have Orangejuice... I'll go buy some. :`
`01:10.40`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`01:10.41`	`\|pez\|`	`:P`
`01:10.42`	`Shirik`	`well I forgot`
`01:11.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?npc=28284`
`01:11.09`	`Seerah`	`hehe`
`01:11.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Hmm, now I kind of have to go find Cog`
`01:11.22`	`Sixen`	`=o`
`01:11.34`	`Sixen`	`Whaat!`
`01:11.47`	`Sixen`	`That's awesome, =)`
`01:11.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Click my screenshot links up above, Sixen`
`01:12.18`	`Seerah`	`but no one knows where he is!`
`01:12.37`	`Sixen`	`Hahahaha, s/s of Zoot, =)`
`01:13.36`	`Cairenn`	`(2008-08-05 07:25:42) foxlit: "Specialist Cogwheel" <== either foxlit found him, or else he saw the same link as ScytheBlade1`
`01:13.40`	`Cairenn`	`on wowhead`
`01:13.57`	`foxlit`	`It's a her`
`01:14.02`	`Cairenn`	`her!`
`01:14.02`	`foxlit`	`You might want to get that fixed :)`
`01:14.04`	`Cairenn`	`it's a hear!`
`01:14.09`	`Cairenn`	`her*`
`01:14.37`	`Seerah`	`lol`
`01:14.39`	`foxlit`	`It's a gnome in one of the argent crusade camps in the troll pyramid-like zone`
`01:14.41`	`Seerah`	`min!`
`01:14.45`	`Seerah`	`mine even!`
`01:14.53`	`Seerah`	`eek!`
`01:14.56`	`foxlit`	`zul'drak... or something :)`
`01:15.05`	`foxlit`	`[worst... zone... so far]`
`01:15.06`	`Cairenn`	`omg, you have GOT to get a SS foxlit`
`01:15.12`	`Cairenn`	`I wanna see that`
`01:15.15`	`Sixen`	`Ditto~`
`01:15.26`	`Cairenn`	`cog is gonna kill zoot`
`01:15.34`	`Cairenn`	`rofl`
`01:15.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`ScytheBlade1, have you seen what zoot says?`
`01:15.39`	`Seerah`	`hehe`
`01:16.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`someone go see what zoot says, it's great`
`01:16.23`	`Shirik`	`~x jp en ?????????`
`01:16.30`	`Shirik`	`sigh`
`01:16.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lol Shirik`
`01:16.36`	`purl`	`ACTION Laughs out Loud at Shirik`
`01:16.38`	`Shirik`	`the one flaw with nbs-irc`
`01:16.40`	`bleeter`	`KNOT TEH COGS!!!!`
`01:16.46`	`*** join/#wowuidev starlon (n=starlon@melody.lyrical.net)`
`01:16.48`	`Cairenn`	`ScytheBlade1 posted a SS of what Zoot says: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Wrath/WoWScrnShot_080508_173108.jpg`
`01:17.03`	`Industrial`	`cba to look for an xp cd now ;p`
`01:17.18`	`Shirik`	`???`
`01:17.21`	`Shirik`	`blah`
`01:17.35`	`Industrial`	`meh im off to bed, nn's`
`01:17.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`who's zoot?`
`01:17.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`zootfizle, a blue on the forums`
`01:17.52`	`Thunder_Child`	`UI forums`
`01:17.53`	`Cairenn`	`zootfizzle, Blizz UI team`
`01:17.58`	`Neo\|Home`	`zh`
`01:17.59`	`Neo\|Home`	`ah`
`01:18.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Thunder_Child: yeah, I have`
`01:18.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`meh, 2 z's`
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`01:18.15`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik\|Telnet] by ChanServ`
`01:19.22`	`Cairenn`	`and zoot is a sprocket fanboi gnome, and you know how the sprocket supporters fight with the cog supporters ...`
`01:19.47`	`Cairenn`	`it's an in-joke in the UI community`
`01:19.48`	`bleeter`	`KNOT TEH COGS!!!!`
`01:19.56`	`Neo\|Home`	`zoot => eu or us?`
`01:20.01`	`Cairenn`	`US`
`01:20.04`	`Cairenn`	`he isn't a CM`
`01:20.12`	`Cairenn`	`he's part of the actual UI team`
`01:20.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`hes a real dev like slouken`
`01:20.20`	`Cairenn`	`just posts some times, same as slouken does`
`01:20.22`	`Neo\|Home`	`well so is Sam and he posts on the forums`
`01:20.26`	`bleeter`	`he's really global, but only chats on US forums`
`01:20.52`	`foxlit`	`http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2392/cogon3.jpg`
`01:20.58`	`bleeter`	`i mean to say, opposed to how CMs/GMs/FMs are regionalised`
`01:21.03`	`Aznamir`	`Could someone explain, why when I inherit SecureHandlerEnterLeaveTemplate my buttons turn inside out ?`
`01:21.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`foxlit: haha`
`01:21.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`foxlit: nice.`
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`01:21.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`submit to wowhead`
`01:22.03`	`bleeter`	`Neo\|Home: I've been following his career since the Executor days =)) on seriously smart cookie, that guy`
`01:22.08`	`bleeter`	`*one`
`01:22.27`	`Cairenn`	`hahahhaha`
`01:22.37`	`Cairenn`	`cogwheel is a girl`
`01:22.51`	`*** join/#wowuidev Drundia (n=drewndia@92.113.11.43)`
`01:22.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`foxlit: where was that screenshot taken? It looks a little familiar, can't place it`
`01:22.59`	`Sixen`	`Fox, you mind if I use that s/s?`
`01:23.07`	`foxlit`	`Feel free`
`01:23.10`	`foxlit`	`Zul'Drak`
`01:23.33`	`Shirik`	`~say --> bc = "E3819DE3828CE381AFE38182E38184E381A7E38197E38287E38186" s = ""; for c in bc:gmatch("..") do local i = tonumber(c,16); s = s .. string.char(i) end return "x jp en "..s;`
`01:23.34`	`purl`	`--> bc = "E3819DE3828CE381AFE38182E38184E381A7E38197E38287E38186" s = ""; for c in bc:gmatch("..") do local i = tonumber(c,16); s = s .. string.char(i) end return "x jp en "..s;`
`01:23.36`	`bleeter`	`Cairenn: oO cogwheel has boobies???`
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`01:23.41`	`Shirik`	`hm`
`01:23.47`	`Cairenn`	`http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2392/cogon3.jpg`
`01:23.50`	`Shirik`	`~say lua> bc = "E3819DE3828CE381AFE38182E38184E381A7E38197E38287E38186" s = ""; for c in bc:gmatch("..") do local i = tonumber(c,16); s = s .. string.char(i) end return "x jp en "..s;`
`01:23.50`	`purl`	`lua> bc = "E3819DE3828CE381AFE38182E38184E381A7E38197E38287E38186" s = ""; for c in bc:gmatch("..") do local i = tonumber(c,16); s = s .. string.char(i) end return "x jp en "..s;`
`01:23.51`	`lua_bot`	`purl: x jp en ããã¯ããã§ããã`
`01:23.54`	`Cairenn`	`thanks to foxlit`
`01:23.58`	`Shirik`	`wtf`
`01:24.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Thanks, Shirik`
`01:24.00`	`bleeter`	`bwhahahhaa`
`01:24.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Break IRC less`
`01:24.05`	`Shirik`	`What translation is that`
`01:24.13`	`Shirik`	`How was that my fault!`
`01:24.15`	`Shirik`	`I did it right!`
`01:24.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`aww, bleeter.. cog\|away has very nice boobies.`
`01:24.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well, you know, for a gnome.`
`01:25.46`	`Sixen`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557213929&sid=2000`
`01:25.49`	`Sixen`	`gogo`
`01:25.49`	`Ackis`	`ths is odd, first aid/alchemy/cooking work but enchnating doesn't (on beta for arl)`
`01:26.00`	`bleeter`	`I'm only pointing and laughing at cog\|away's boobies 'coz he's away and would bitchslap me if he wasn't ;)`
`01:26.21`	`Sixen`	`ROFL`
`01:26.32`	`Sixen`	`Oh my god. I lol'd pretty hard IRL.`
`01:26.34`	`Sixen`	`That was awesome.`
`01:27.38`	`Shirik`	`wtf? Atlassian is strange`
`01:27.46`	`bleeter`	`Sixen: maybe he's a woman 'coz cog\|away's hot and smokin' and stuffs.. /me shrtugs`
`01:27.52`	`Shirik`	`Somehow they knew I was affiliated with ERAU, so on my support ticket they added it o.o`
`01:27.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?npc=28374#comments:id=345511`
`01:27.58`	`Shirik`	`that's almost scary`
`01:28.03`	`Sixen`	`:)`
`01:28.39`	`Sixen`	`That's so awesome.`
`01:28.40`	`Sixen`	`Lmao`
`01:32.37`	`Ackis`	`[2008/08/05 19:32:11-24-x1]: <string>:"AckisRecipeList:Print(GetNumCrafts())":1: attempt to call global 'GetNumCrafts' (a nil value)`
`01:32.45`	`Ackis`	`~fail Ackis`
`01:32.46`	`purl`	`Ackis: FAIL!`
`01:32.51`	`Ackis`	`thank you purl`
`01:34.10`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [-r] by Shirik`
`01:34.37`	`Seerah`	`ScytheBlade1: picture of cog needs put on wowhead`
`01:34.54`	`*** join/#wowuidev Icecoldcoke (n=Icecoldc@68-188-160-12.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com)`
`01:35.04`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lonny (n=Lonny@bzq-179-108-3.static.bezeqint.net)`
`01:35.08`	`Shirik`	`sorry Lonny :)`
`01:35.12`	`Lonny`	`np :P`
`01:35.24`	`Shirik`	`though you're still not identified :)`
`01:35.32`	`Lonny`	`:P`
`01:35.34`	`Lonny`	`Hmm`
`01:35.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Seerah: yeah but that'd take cropping and effort`
`01:35.42`	`Shirik`	`you did /ns identify <pw> ?`
`01:35.50`	`Lonny`	`yeah`
`01:36.11`	`Seerah`	`ScytheBlade1: slacker :P`
`01:36.16`	`Shirik`	`Yeah because it definitely says you haven't identified in 4 weeks`
`01:36.17`	`Shirik`	`(21:34:37) - [notice from NickServ]: Last seen : Jul 03 03:20:46 2008 (4 weeks, 5 days, 22:14:33 ago)`
`01:36.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Seerah: sure am`
`01:36.43`	`bleeter`	`ScytheBlade1: I voted up your comment when I added mine ;)`
`01:37.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bleeter: yeah you're totally going to be downrated on your comment, haha`
`01:37.20`	`Lonny`	`Whenever I tried, the nick was taken, dunno :/`
`01:37.38`	`bleeter`	`ScytheBlade1: point, so I added commentary to the post ;)`
`01:37.42`	`Shirik`	`ah`
`01:37.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`that pic is croped enough imho`
`01:38.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`need the quest window in it!`
`01:38.02`	`Cairenn`	`lonny, have you registered your nick?`
`01:38.09`	`Shirik`	`well someone's registered it`
`01:38.12`	`Shirik`	`if not him, someone took it`
`01:38.21`	`Lonny`	`Nah I haven't`
`01:38.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`you can ask freenode staff to unregister a nick if it hasnt been used in 60 days i think`
`01:38.39`	`Cairenn`	`Lonny: well, you can't identify if you haven't registered`
`01:38.41`	`Cairenn`	`...`
`01:38.51`	`Shirik`	`Arrowmaster: Only been 4 weeks`
`01:38.56`	`Cairenn`	`you obviously weren't reading what I was typing`
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`01:39.37`	`Lonny`	`I know but than I registered it on another, and still, the client kept on rejecting me :P`
`01:39.57`	`Cairenn`	`did you switch to that other nick?`
`01:39.59`	`Lonny`	`More like freenode rejecting me :)`
`01:40.09`	`Lonny`	`yeah I did.`
`01:40.27`	`Cairenn`	`nm, I'm confused, anyway, whatever, it's all good now, you're in`
`01:40.38`	`Shirik`	`wow!`
`01:40.45`	`Seerah`	`?`
`01:40.45`	`Shirik`	`Wikipedia has more information about my school than I do`
`01:40.50`	`Seerah`	`rofl`
`01:40.52`	`Shirik`	`I never saw these pictures :(`
`01:41.01`	`Aznamir`	`Could someone tell me why my buttons http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h233/aznamir/pp_template.jpg turn into http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h233/aznamir/PP_secure_action_enter.jpg when I inherit SecureHandlerEnterLeaveTemplate ?`
`01:41.02`	`bleeter`	`must be photoshopped`
`01:41.11`	`Shirik`	`christmas day we had a tornado take out about 80% of our flight line, but I never actually saw it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RiddleTornado.jpg`
`01:41.12`	`Lonny`	`Cair: You are now identified for Lonny\|Eu.`
`01:41.24`	`Shirik`	`Lonny\|Eu != Lonny`
`01:41.30`	`Cairenn`	`exactly`
`01:41.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`you have to say on that nick after identifying`
`01:41.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`stay`
`01:41.48`	`Cairenn`	`you are using someone else's nick`
`01:41.54`	`bleeter`	`Shirik: photoshopped. not as if wikipedia hasn't had dodgy info on it before`
`01:41.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`but you can have it in 2 weeks maybe`
`01:41.59`	`Shirik`	`rofl`
`01:42.00`	`Lonny`	`I know that, I tried to log on Lonny\|Eu but nothing changed :)`
`01:42.25`	`Lonny`	`Dunno what happened, I'm confused myself :P`
`01:43.47`	`Lonny`	`So can I now set my nick to Lonny\|Eu or whatever ?`
`01:44.32`	`Shirik`	`wow...`
`01:44.35`	`Shirik`	`wikipedia is insane`
`01:44.47`	`Neo\|Home`	`someone FINALLY brought this up http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557074142&sid=2000`
`01:44.58`	`Neo\|Home`	`add the fact that DK's can get at least up to 4 debuff slots with diseases?`
`01:45.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`current limit of 40 is not going to work`
`01:46.00`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh, and yet we once dealt with 8 >.>`
`01:46.12`	`Shirik`	`I thought that was buffs`
`01:46.25`	`Neo\|Home`	`http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8131/guildbetainvitesc7.jpg ... guild invites?`
`01:46.48`	`Neo\|Home`	`NightHawkTheSane: and yet once affliction warlocks and shadow priests weren't able to raid due to debuff limits (not only but get the idea)`
`01:46.59`	`Shirik`	`Neo\|Home: Verify that link actually goes where it says it goes`
`01:47.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Neo\|Home: yeah, i fully understand situations change, i just find it interesting. :)`
`01:47.54`	`Xuerian`	`Neo\|Home: Sigh =\|`
`01:49.09`	`Neo\|Home`	`I remember when "wow, 40, that'll be MORE than enough"`
`01:49.10`	`\|pez\|`	`I have orange juice!`
`01:49.11`	`*** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik)`
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`01:49.14`	`Neo\|Home`	`they just need to remove the limit`
`01:49.27`	`Neo\|Home`	`or make it so high we can't possibly hit it`
`01:49.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`that or put the debuff priorities back`
`01:49.35`	`Neo\|Home`	`doesn't help though`
`01:49.43`	`Neo\|Home`	`as soon as sdebuffs gets pushed off things get bad :-/`
`01:50.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah but if stuff like fireball debuffs and weapon proc debuffs cant push stuff off it 'could' be better`
`01:50.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`didn't they try that at one point?`
`01:50.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`like right now CoE doesnt have debuff priority but the old rank we used at 60 does`
`01:51.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`the lower level rank of CoE can not be pushed off by other debuffs`
`01:51.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`max rank can`
`01:51.39`	`*** part/#wowuidev Lonny (n=Lonny@bzq-179-108-3.static.bezeqint.net)`
`01:52.23`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lonny\|Eu (n=Lonny@bzq-179-108-3.static.bezeqint.net)`
`01:52.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`it could be better`
`01:52.56`	`Neo\|Home`	`but it's better just to remove the limit`
`01:53.02`	`Neo\|Home`	`I don't understand what purpose it serves`
`01:53.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont think they can completely remove it`
`01:53.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`but they can increase it`
`01:54.31`	`Neo\|Home`	`oh hell`
`01:54.32`	`*** part/#wowuidev Lonny\|Eu (n=Lonny@bzq-179-108-3.static.bezeqint.net)`
`01:54.33`	`Neo\|Home`	`that was MEAN`
`01:54.45`	`Neo\|Home`	`check3d my gmail, saw a mail from blizzard (for realz)`
`01:54.55`	`Neo\|Home`	`and it's... "Earn an Exclusive Mount with the new WoW Recruit-A-Friend"`
`01:55.04`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`01:55.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`lolz`
`01:55.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`pwned`
`01:55.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`i didnt even get one of those =(`
`01:55.26`	`Cairenn`	`yet`
`01:55.37`	`Neo\|Home`	`well I'm sure it'll take a while to send that out`
`01:55.43`	`Cairenn`	`(well, if you're signed up for the news letter)`
`01:55.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`i doubt i am`
`01:55.54`	`\|pez\|`	`Shiny exclusive mount?`
`01:55.57`	`\|pez\|`	what issit?`
`01:56.02`	`Cairenn`	`zehvra`
`01:56.09`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17564`
`01:56.17`	`Ackis`	`newsletter?`
`01:56.21`	`Neo\|Home`	`so the question is, is it worth $30 + $25 ... oh wait`
`01:56.32`	`Neo\|Home`	`so for $25 (transfer cost) I can get a zevhra mount`
`01:56.37`	`\|pez\|`	`oh my god, Zhevra mount?`
`01:56.44`	`Neo\|Home`	`since you get 30 days free on the new account, 30 days on the referring account`
`01:56.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`that's worth it..`
`01:56.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`01:56.54`	`Ackis`	`I sent an e-mail to blizz saying "this person is refered by me, give me my mount" :P`
`01:56.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`you must pay for 2 months`
`01:57.00`	`Cairenn`	`90 days`
`01:57.09`	`Neo\|Home`	`Arrowmaster: you don't understand. :P I have two accounts. active.`
`01:57.10`	`Cairenn`	`30 free, then 2 months paid`
`01:57.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`NeoTron: the account must be created with the refer a friend key`
`01:57.36`	`Neo\|Home`	`if I buy a third one (for $30), I get 30 days free on the new account ($15) and after two paid months, 3o days free on my first one ($15)`
`01:57.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`trial account key`
`01:57.41`	`Neo\|Home`	`I know that`
`01:57.46`	`Neo\|Home`	`^^^`
`01:57.51`	`Aznamir`	`how long a second account should stay dead?`
`01:57.52`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@host217-44-188-85.range217-44.btcentralplus.com)`
`01:57.58`	`Aznamir`	`before I can use a scroll of rezz?`
`01:58.05`	`Neo\|Home`	`the cost of the new box will be offset by saving two monthly costs now and down the line`
`01:58.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`Aznamir: scroll of rezz faq says so, i think it might be 90 days`
`01:58.32`	`Neo\|Home`	`so the only cost is that to transfer one of my characters off the 2nd account to the 3rd (and then closnig the 2nd)`
`01:58.51`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lonny (n=Lonny@bzq-179-108-3.static.bezeqint.net)`
`01:58.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`how many chars on the 2nd account?`
`01:59.06`	`\|pez\|`	`I want to collect mounts, but it's kinda expensive. :P`
`01:59.19`	`Neo\|Home`	`Arrowmaster: 1`
`01:59.49`	`Neo\|Home`	`basically I just have the hunter which I transferred plus two level 1s I used for soem addon testing`
`01:59.52`	`Neo\|Home`	`not even bank alts`
`01:59.53`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lonny (n=Lonny@bzq-179-108-3.static.bezeqint.net)`
`01:59.57`	`Cairenn`	`if anyone else is looking for the news letter stuff: http://subscribe.blizzard.com/`
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`02:01.09`	`*** part/#wowuidev Lonny (n=Lonny@bzq-179-108-3.static.bezeqint.net)`
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`02:01.28`	`Ackis`	`I wonder how many sites think I lie about my birthday`
`02:01.29`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lonny (n=Lonny@bzq-179-108-3.static.bezeqint.net)`
`02:01.31`	`Ackis`	`1/1/81`
`02:02.04`	`End`	`wtf`
`02:02.07`	`End`	`no paladin`
`02:02.08`	`Kirov`	`hey, that's the same date I lie with!`
`02:02.11`	`Ackis`	`hah`
`02:02.14`	`End`	`GODDAMN PALADINS WHERE ARE YOU`
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`02:03.57`	`jaxdahl`	`cogwheel is a woman?`
`02:04.09`	`Cairenn`	`hehehe, he is as an NPC ;)`
`02:04.17`	`\|pez\|`	`pretty sure cog is like... a guy of some sort.`
`02:04.18`	`Lonny\|Eu`	`lol :P`
`02:04.28`	`jaxdahl`	`http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2392/cogon3.jpg`
`02:04.39`	`jaxdahl`	`been pasted here already`
`02:04.39`	`\|pez\|`	`oh XD`
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`02:04.56`	`\|pez\|`	`it should have had pink hair`
`02:05.21`	`\|pez\|`	`evening malreth!`
`02:05.56`	`Kaso`	`thats so awesome`
`02:07.17`	`\|pez\|`	`aw`
`02:08.15`	`Seerah`	`you scared him away, \|pez\|!`
`02:08.27`	`\|pez\|`	`He hugged me first damnit!`
`02:08.37`	`Seerah`	`hehe`
`02:08.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`\|pez\| is scary like that.`
`02:13.35`	`ckknight`	`hehe, poof`
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`02:15.49`	`Keias`	`score, now you can sell her like a genie`
`02:16.25`	`Keias`	`LOL`
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`02:35.35`	`End`	`wow`
`02:35.47`	`End`	`we couldn't kill naj without pally buffs apparently`
`02:35.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`kings is op for that fight`
`02:36.07`	`End`	`kings and salv :P`
`02:36.13`	`End`	`we didn't have enough dps either :P`
`02:36.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`look at the bright side`
`02:36.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`pallies are required for raiding, didn't you get the memo?`
`02:36.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you'll only have to worry about kings in wrath`
`02:37.36`	`Nom-`	`qq no key for me yet lol`
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`02:38.14`	`Icecoldcoke`	`qq pvp server.. erm qq irc server.`
`02:38.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`yeah, until they add mana drain fights that require blessing/judgement of wisdom and the new ret pally mana back to 3 raid members talent`
`02:38.24`	`Sixen`	`rawr`
`02:38.29`	`Gryphen`	`ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle.`
`02:38.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`AnduinLothar: i'll be real curious how that works out.`
`02:39.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`3 random raid members seems like it could be.. weird..`
`02:39.44`	`*** part/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@12.206.135.48)`
`02:39.47`	`End`	`and yeah, assuming we DON't have salv will be nice`
`02:39.55`	`End`	`since seem to scare away our paladins`
`02:40.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's genius for parties. you only have 4 dps and they're not always mana users`
`02:40.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`AnduinLothar: agreed, but it's 25 man raids i'm concerned about`
`02:40.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`no idea how it will work out in raids`
`02:40.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`cog\|away: suuuuuuuuure.`
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`02:44.40`	`cogwheel`	`besides... Specialist Cogwheel has nothing to say on sprockets...`
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`02:46.26`	`spacely`	`indeed; we claim THAT trademark`
`02:47.15`	`Nom-`	`omg`
`02:47.18`	`Nom-`	`just got mail from blizzard`
`02:47.20`	`Nom-`	`goes to check`
`02:47.26`	`spacely`	`i bet it's a beta invite`
`02:47.35`	`spacely`	`you'd better click the link and enter your account info right away`
`02:47.38`	`Nom-`	`ah damn`
`02:47.41`	`AnduinLothar`	`lolz`
`02:47.42`	`Nom-`	`it's recruit a friend`
`02:48.02`	`Shirik`	`cogwheel: Is it really?`
`02:48.07`	`Icecoldcoke`	`I haven't gotten the recruit a friend email. :(`
`02:48.07`	`Shirik`	`oh nm`
`02:48.18`	`Nom-`	`damn blizz`
`02:48.21`	`Nom-`	`teasing me`
`02:48.28`	`Nom-`	`Earn an Exclusive Mount with the new WoW â¢ Recruit-A-Friend`
`02:48.33`	`Shirik`	`oh my life, JIRA spam ftl`
`02:48.40`	`Shirik`	`an entire page of email taken up by JIRA`
`02:48.41`	`Nom-`	`An exclusive ZHEVRA in-game mount* when your friend pays for 60 days of subscription time.`
`02:48.56`	`Icecoldcoke`	`Uh oh the "*" means there's a catch.`
`02:49.00`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Shirik: welcome to my world. ><`
`02:49.04`	`Nom-`	`* To earn the Zhevra mount your friend must register a retail account and pay for their first 60 days of subscription time. World of Warcraftâ¢ characters must reach level 60 before being able to use the Zhevra mount.`
`02:49.36`	`Seerah`	`does that mean the mount is lvl 60, or the friend must be lvl 60? ;)`
`02:49.40`	`Nom-`	`You and your friend will earn triple the experience when grouped together.`
`02:49.50`	`Nom-`	`For every two levels of experience your friend earns, they can grant one level of experience to any one of your characters of lower level.`
`02:49.53`	`Shirik`	`Seerah: Sounds like the mount is lv 60`
`02:49.53`	`Icecoldcoke`	`I wonder how high of a level the friend gains 2 levels you can get one can be used until`
`02:50.04`	`Nom-`	`This sounds too good to be true...`
`02:50.06`	`Seerah`	`Shirik: yeah yeah :)`
`02:50.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`wtf triple xp?`
`02:50.29`	`Nom-`	`it's a fukn legit link tho`
`02:50.35`	`Nom-`	`https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/login/login?service=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldofwarcraft.com%2Faccount%2Frecruit-a-friend.html`
`02:50.44`	`Nom-`	`triple xp yeah`
`02:50.47`	`Fisker-`	`so i see they finally launched the new friend system`
`02:50.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`for how long?`
`02:50.51`	`Nom-`	`jesus...that's a pretty good deal`
`02:51.03`	`Nom-`	`AnduinLothar: It says "whenever you and your friend are grouped"`
`02:51.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`caan i use it on a deathknight?`
`02:51.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`triple xp only when grouped`
`02:51.16`	`ckknight`	`AnduinLothar: only until lvl 60`
`02:51.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`aww`
`02:51.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`could still use it to be the first dk to 80`
`02:51.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`get a head start`
`02:51.45`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`02:51.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`5 lvls in like 2 hrs`
`02:52.02`	`Nom-`	`I'll post the whole email on pastey :P`
`02:52.05`	`cogwheel`	`ScytheBlade1: pong (from 3.4 hrs ago)`
`02:52.10`	`Icecoldcoke`	`It's not a head start if other people use that idea also.`
`02:52.16`	`AnduinLothar`	`shhh!`
`02:53.25`	`Fisker-`	`AnduinLothar you cannot leave ebon hold until you have finished the quests`
`02:54.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Fisker-: so? then you're levle 60 and doing the quests. :P`
`02:55.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`you could group.... and not be anywhere near eachother`
`02:55.42`	`Icecoldcoke`	`If you can use the level up on characters below 60, your friend could do the starting zone quests on several different characters and get you 5 levels that way.`
`02:55.52`	`Lukian`	`Nom-, so can I dualbox with this offer? :)`
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`03:00.03`	`Nom-`	`http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93181`
`03:00.52`	`Nom-`	`Very, very, very cool idea`
`03:01.12`	`spacely`	`a new mount`
`03:01.17`	`spacely`	`only this time, you're getting someone ELSE to pay for it`
`03:01.17`	`Fisker-`	`but basically`
`03:01.21`	`Nom-`	`zhevra mount yea`
`03:01.22`	`Fisker-`	`a mount + 30 days free gametime`
`03:01.29`	`Fisker-`	`for inviting yourself :DD`
`03:01.39`	`spacely`	`i can hear them wringing your wallet dry as we speak`
`03:01.44`	`spacely`	`it's just -twisting-...`
`03:02.19`	`Nom-`	`I've got another more important email from blizz that i'm waiting for tho`
`03:02.39`	`Nom-`	`It's funny tho... i literally switched to my screen just as my mail server was processing it`
`03:02.39`	`Fisker-`	`just a shame`
`03:02.41`	`Icecoldcoke`	`All Blizzard emails are important.`
`03:02.46`	`Nom-`	`like i saw the log lines appearing as it processed my email :D`
`03:02.46`	`Fisker-`	`we can't recruit-a-friend here ;_;`
`03:03.05`	`Nom-`	`Icecoldcoke: I said more important`
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`03:03.13`	`Icecoldcoke`	`Oh, sorry`
`03:03.38`	`Nom-`	`tail -f /var/log/mail.log\| grep blizzard <-- i have that running in a screen so i know that i've got an email ... just in case my spam filters grab it for some reason`
`03:03.57`	`Shirik`	`lol Nom-`
`03:03.59`	`Shirik`	`that's awesome`
`03:04.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thats only slightly obsessive`
`03:04.17`	`Icecoldcoke`	`^`
`03:04.23`	`Nom-`	`dude... wtb beta invite ^_^`
`03:04.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`seriously, which is why i said "only slightly" ;)`
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`03:05.09`	`Icecoldcoke`	`They haven't even said they're sending a new batch of invites today`
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`03:07.42`	`laeg`	`is there a mod that will block everything from trade apart from WTS/WTB/LFG/LFM etc?`
`03:08.45`	`p3lim`	`laeg: Im pretty sure that there is filters for this`
`03:08.56`	`p3lim`	`Search around on diffrent sites`
`03:09.01`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`laeg: Uh`
`03:09.09`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`oh, I missed the WTS/WTB part`
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`03:09.18`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I was trying to figure out why you wanted to only permit the spam in trade :P`
`03:09.29`	`p3lim`	`he wants only WTS/WTB/LFG/LFM (spam filter in other words) for trade chat`
`03:09.39`	`Icecoldcoke`	`It's not really spamming, the titles are only a guideline of what you should discuss.`
`03:09.50`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`spam in my mind`
`03:09.53`	`Icecoldcoke`	`Same`
`03:09.56`	`p3lim`	`same`
`03:10.03`	`p3lim`	`Trade chat is the new old LFG chat`
`03:10.14`	`p3lim`	`(remember when LFG used to ble global? :P)`
`03:10.19`	`Icecoldcoke`	`I think it's worse than what LFG was when it was global`
`03:10.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it still is`
`03:10.28`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I wish LFG was still global`
`03:10.29`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`not reall`
`03:10.36`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`you only go in it if you're in the LFG tool`
`03:10.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah, but if you are, it's global`
`03:10.48`	`p3lim`	`I do wish that too Shirik, that way I didnt have to block trade chat`
`03:11.07`	`p3lim`	`the new LFG is still global`
`03:11.15`	`p3lim`	`but its toggled as long youre in the list`
`03:11.16`	`laeg`	`do things ever come up in trade that interest me?`
`03:11.17`	`laeg`	`sure`
`03:11.24`	`laeg`	`is this the majority of the time?`
`03:11.25`	`laeg`	`no`
`03:11.26`	`laeg`	`:(`
`03:11.42`	`p3lim`	`not on my server, i no longer have trade/general chat while in cities`
`03:11.55`	`p3lim`	`though I made a simple addon to join General chat once im not in a city`
`03:12.00`	`laeg`	`but what about if someone is lfm for something you want to do?`
`03:12.05`	`Icecoldcoke`	`I only stay in trade because I'm afk 90% of the time.`
`03:12.10`	`p3lim`	`I dont do pugs, simple as that`
`03:12.31`	`Icecoldcoke`	`PUGs are fun, it gives you a chance to wonder why you joined the PIG`
`03:12.36`	`p3lim`	`and Im not buying any crap neither`
`03:12.37`	`Seerah`	`OMG - headline: "Mountain lion snatches dog from owner's bedroom"`
`03:12.38`	`Icecoldcoke`	`PUG*`
`03:12.47`	`Fisker-`	`Shirik\|AFK my friend`
`03:13.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`p3lim: i put trade in its own chat window, and general/lfg/ld in its own channel, keeps them out of the way when i dont care.`
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`03:13.32`	`laeg`	`Icecoldcoke: my characters are bot in the 10-19 bracket atm now apart from a 68 i'm retiring so i need the pug`
`03:14.19`	`p3lim`	`only things that show up in my chat window (and yes, I only have 1 window) is Guild, Officer, Party/Raid/BG, Whispers, Emotes, Say/Yell and a personal channel`
`03:15.00`	`laeg`	`personal channel? sounds kinky`
`03:15.02`	`laeg`	`:D`
`03:15.15`	`p3lim`	`even filtered out monster yells/emotes/whispers/says`
`03:15.33`	`p3lim`	`(which can get very spammy, especially in AV)`
`03:15.55`	`laeg`	`./y i forgot meh trinket!`
`03:16.01`	`laeg`	`./y what trinket?`
`03:16.02`	`laeg`	`:)`
`03:16.11`	`laeg`	`http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/10206/`
`03:16.24`	`p3lim`	`also, while in a BG the system messages are turned off, cba looking at millions of people joining/looting and all that rep floating around`
`03:16.34`	`Icecoldcoke`	`Seerah: Where did you see that at?`
`03:16.39`	`laeg`	`Baud Spam Filter filters messages out of the public chat (General, Trade, etc.) that contain key words or legendary items. The word list comes with pre-programmed words and can be edited. If you create a chat window named "spam" (without the quotes), blocked messages will be redirected to that window. Most brackets and symbols are used to define words with more flexible definitions (such as any length of "hahaha"). These symbols should not be used in words`
`03:16.42`	`Seerah`	`yahoo main page`
`03:16.57`	`laeg`	`p3lim: that's a good idea`
`03:17.03`	`Nom-`	`lol yeah... i've just gone LFG naxx sometimes just so i can go into the channel`
`03:17.06`	`Nom-`	`It's rather stupid`
`03:17.20`	`p3lim`	`laeg: Its an personal addon I made a while back, got no intention to release it whatsoever`
`03:17.35`	`laeg`	`Seerah: i bet it was a tauren drood!`
`03:17.53`	`laeg`	`p3lim: cool`
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`03:21.03`	`p3lim`	`aw feck, forgot its wednesday`
`03:21.22`	`Icecoldcoke`	`It's not wednesday for another 39 minutes.`
`03:21.35`	`laeg`	`that mod on curse filters lines with words from a blacklist into a 'spam' window - i'm hoping i can redirect the words into the main window and everythign else into spam`
`03:21.38`	`Seerah`	`1hr 39 mins here :P`
`03:21.51`	`Drundia`	`it's just that your time lags, Icecoldcoke`
`03:21.51`	`laeg`	`4:21 wednesday here`
`03:21.58`	`laeg`	`PM`
`03:22.10`	`laeg`	`just kidding lol.`
`03:22.14`	`laeg`	`(am)`
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`03:37.59`	`p3lim`	`0538 here right now`
`03:38.14`	`p3lim`	`better go to bed..`
`03:39.38`	`\|Jelly\|`	`So I just had a paldin BoP me (the tank) as a "Last ditch effort to save me."`
`03:40.31`	`Kaso`	`lol`
`03:41.45`	`Kaso`	`well, i guess if you were on the ball (and it was pre-arranged and you were expecting it) you could taunt the mob while bop is up, then cancel buff when taunt dies`
`03:41.53`	`Ackis`	`\|Jelly\| you need to get freeme :P`
`03:42.17`	`\|Jelly\|`	`I just need a healer who isn't a fucking idiot`
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`03:42.58`	`Ackis`	`mods > healers`
`03:42.59`	`Ackis`	`:P`
`03:43.08`	`Ackis`	`I had my afk trash macro`
`03:43.18`	`Ackis`	`scanned the raid, healed anyone below a threshhold`
`03:43.28`	`Ackis`	`then I had someone on follow and a mouse click mod going`
`03:43.34`	`Ackis`	`s/mod/program/`
`03:43.47`	`Kaso`	`oh the good old days`
`03:44.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`\|Jelly\|: bug kales to heal for you if you see him on, and if he complains and says hes shadow call him a whiny bitch`
`03:44.19`	`Kaso`	`http://img.waffleimages.com/d43c2f4943acffa9bd6ed453b55732986da6ff13/14.jpg`
`03:44.22`	`Kaso`	`Falcon PUNCH!`
`03:45.38`	`\|Jelly\|`	`rofl`
`03:46.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`if you dont want to call him a whiny bitch you can tell him that i called him one`
`03:46.43`	`Ackis`	`you two were in the same guild?`
`03:47.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol still are`
`03:47.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`hes an irl friend`
`03:47.19`	`Fisker-`	`Ackis my friend`
`03:47.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`and thats actually his priest alt`
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`03:49.13`	`Ackis`	`ahh`
`03:49.18`	`Ackis`	`sup Fisker- my love?`
`03:49.41`	`Fisker-`	`Ackis my friend`
`03:49.47`	`Ackis`	`Fisker- my love`
`03:49.51`	`Fisker-`	`no`
`03:49.53`	`Fisker-`	`my friend`
`03:49.54`	`Ackis`	`no u`
`03:50.00`	`Ackis`	`you know you love me`
`03:52.57`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`how ironic`
`03:53.09`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Uses same model as zootfizzle: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?npc=374#same-model-as`
`03:53.40`	`Fisker-`	`owned`
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`03:55.27`	`Wraanger`	`heyaz`
`03:58.09`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Iriel: ping`
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`04:00.10`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`or... cladhaire`
`04:00.19`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`and if you're there, ... why aren't you asleep ><`
`04:00.33`	`Iriel`	`Hm?`
`04:02.28`	`Cairenn`	`okay, that's just ballsy ... guy trying to scam a beta key from us, uploaded .... get this ... Auctioneer!!!!`
`04:02.45`	`Cairenn`	`like, hmm, yeah, I completely believe that's his, of course I'll approve it!`
`04:02.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`did he at least rename it? :P`
`04:03.11`	`Cairenn`	`no`
`04:03.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nice`
`04:03.15`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`not only Auctioneer`
`04:03.17`	`Cairenn`	`nor the other 3 he tried to upload`
`04:03.19`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`come on, tell them the whole story`
`04:03.39`	`Cairenn`	`Recount (Preservation) and WoW Guild Armory`
`04:04.20`	`Cairenn`	`I was busy checking on one (Recount) and he uploaded the others while I was confirming that he was slime`
`04:04.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`haha`
`04:05.05`	`MentalPower`	`lol`
`04:05.14`	`MentalPower`	`crap, my plan was foiled :P`
`04:05.23`	`Cairenn`	`he didn't even change the author names in the .toc files`
`04:05.47`	`Cairenn`	`no effort whatsoever made on his part to hide the fact he was scamming`
`04:06.12`	`Cairenn`	`most at least have the courtesy to try to fake it - doing global search & replace on file names, etc`
`04:07.06`	`MentalPower`	`you would have caught it anyways :)`
`04:07.42`	`\|Jelly\|`	`...how stupid do they have to be?`
`04:07.51`	`Ackis`	`wrath compatable version of ARL added to WoWI/CF`
`04:09.23`	`Ackis`	`god damn you admins are fast on approvals :P`
`04:09.50`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`04:10.05`	`Cairenn`	`it was approved before you typed it in, in here`
`04:10.13`	`Ackis`	`you approved it I think before the upload to wowui was complete`
`04:10.38`	`Ackis`	`~api GetCompanionInfo`
`04:10.38`	`purl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetCompanionInfo`
`04:12.36`	`Ackis`	`I bet approvals will be slow during blizzcon! ahha`
`04:12.49`	`Cairenn`	`heh, yeah`
`04:12.55`	`Cairenn`	`slower, at least`
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`04:15.02`	`Tekkub`	`Iriel, you round?`
`04:15.04`	`Ackis`	`hmm I wonder if GetCompanionInfo returns a localized pet name or not`
`04:15.55`	`Tekkub`	`I would assume so, it's what gets displayed`
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`04:16.21`	`Kalroth`	`hi sancus!!`
`04:16.37`	`sancus`	`lol`
`04:16.40`	`sancus`	`you're such a vulture`
`04:16.57`	`Kalroth`	`my server is down :(`
`04:17.10`	`sancus`	`:(`
`04:17.12`	`sancus`	`play beta`
`04:17.18`	`Kalroth`	`I don't have a key`
`04:17.38`	`sancus`	`hm`
`04:17.46`	`sancus`	`sucks then I guess`
`04:18.29`	`Kalroth`	`Hence I have to pick on you, sorry. If there was any other alternative, I'd do that instead.`
`04:18.59`	`sancus`	`You could pick on buu`
`04:19.12`	`Kalroth`	`He's a warlock, too easy`
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`04:22.50`	`DonQuestion`	`Hi folks!`
`04:23.36`	`\|Jelly\|`	`hi`
`04:24.16`	`Cairenn`	`hi`
`04:25.09`	`\|Jelly\|`	`[P] <Buthed>: reason im not running back again is that when i go to loading screens wow locks up and i have to close out and start it again and trust me you'd rather just rez me -- BUT he zoned in just fine.`
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`04:26.30`	`DonQuestion`	`I have a question reagarding a small addon-project of mine. is it possible to send messages to the "BlizzardLFG" Channel?`
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`04:34.46`	`Rabbitbunny`	`heh, thought you guys were quiet today.`
`04:35.44`	`End`	`DonQuestion: I'm pretty sure you can't`
`04:36.19`	`End`	`(But I wouldn't be knowledgable about that, so I don't think you can...I couldn't be sure though)`
`04:37.02`	`DonQuestion`	`Seems so. Thats why i ask for your help! But there's no error message. It just does nothin if i post in ï»¿the "BlizzardLFG" Channel.`
`04:41.56`	`Rabbitbunny`	`Has anybody run WoW with perfmon open? I'm seeing 1200pages/sec, 100%proc and disk queues that hit 100(unknown scale) during loading, 100%proc, 50-400pages/sec and 0 disk activity in Burning Steppes. proc too slow(2.0GHz)? too little ram(1Gb)? drives too slow?`
`04:42.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`burning steppes is a weird location`
`04:42.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's very performance intensive, probably because of the inclusion of huge chunks of blackrock mountain instances in it`
`04:43.03`	`Rabbitbunny`	`Levelling, I happen to be standing there.`
`04:44.36`	`Rabbitbunny`	`the 23fps is what's really annoying me, FX5500, But with all this disk activity it can't be the video card. right?`
`04:45.06`	`Drundia`	`too little RAM yes`
`04:45.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's probably paging`
`04:45.16`	`Drundia`	`WOW preferes above 1 GiB`
`04:45.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh i see`
`04:45.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you said it was`
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`04:46.07`	`Rabbitbunny`	`it's doing 200pages/sec standing in IF.`
`04:46.41`	`Rabbitbunny`	`So... off to newegg I go. Thanks for letting me know I'm not nuts.`
`04:47.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hehe... http://notalwaysright.com/americas-debt-crisis-explained/1034`
`04:58.11`	`\|Jelly\|`	`rofl`
`05:02.13`	`p3lim`	`argh`
`05:02.25`	`p3lim`	`servers are "up" but I cant retrive my character's list`
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`05:03.42`	`Xuerian`	`NightHawkTheSane: Sad... but true`
`05:04.50`	`Corrodias`	`this steak marinade is approximately perfect. i was concerned at first that i might have added too much garlic, but then my friend wisely pointed out that it is physically impossible to do so.`
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`05:07.57`	`Corrodias`	`the worchestershire sauce just adds some... depth to it, and complements the spice of the pepper`
`05:10.27`	`Ackis`	`hahah I was fixing an external w/ CNF and accidentally output a chuck fact to say and got told off hahaha I love chuck norris :D`
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`05:15.42`	`Bigdave`	`Howdy`
`05:16.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`hello Bigdave`
`05:17.10`	`Cairenn`	`bye`
`05:17.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`am i scaring people again?`
`05:17.30`	`Ackis`	`when aren't you?`
`05:17.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`poiny`
`05:17.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`point*`
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`05:26.04`	`Kirov`	`...`
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`05:34.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`i like NightHawkTheSane, but it's a little on the polite side doncha think?`
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`05:35.36`	`p3lim`	`haste: ping`
`05:36.03`	`Kemayo`	`I've seen it said that MobHealth is (effectively) part of the default UI in beta now. That true?`
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`05:37.33`	`Kirov`	`Kemayo - yes, there appears to be real numerical health values for everyone now.`
`05:37.35`	`Kirov`	`No more %`
`05:37.46`	`Cairenn`	`wheee, major thunderstorm going through, may disappear from channel suddenly`
`05:38.25`	`Kemayo`	`Kirov: Awesome`
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`05:40.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`~staple Cairenn`
`05:40.18`	`purl`	`ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Cairenn quite well, and hands Cairenn to thunder_child`
`05:40.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`mine`
`05:40.34`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`05:42.34`	`Dashkal`	`Cairenn: um, thunderstorm? Your CP is plugged in why? Shoo :p`
`05:42.46`	`Dashkal`	`CP? wtf am I smoking tonight...`
`05:42.51`	`Cairenn`	`hehehe`
`05:44.11`	`Cairenn`	`whatever it is, you wanna share?`
`05:44.35`	`Dashkal`	`:p`
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`06:09.19`	`zenzio`	`you know... sitting between a 37" TV and two 24" monitors (+ a 19" monitor) is starting to make me feel self-concious`
`06:13.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`why? are they all showing porn?`
`06:13.38`	`Dashkal`	`ok, caught up on the threads... this does nothing to help my impatience :p`
`06:13.45`	`zenzio`	`why else would get big screens?`
`06:14.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`i has 2 22" and no tv, but thats fine, i prefer TV in the downloaded format`
`06:15.26`	`kd3`	`it's meh... I don't even use the tv all that often, I've got a tv card and a splitter from the sat box`
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`06:31.58`	`Xuerian`	`Only has 21" crt and 17" lcd :(`
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`07:13.01`	`Vilkku`	`where's my key? :(`
`07:13.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`with the paitent (sp?) people`
`07:17.14`	`Vilkku`	`Thunder_Child, I guess you have a point`
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`07:19.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`Vilkku, i figure i would be an ass for Cairenn, since she would never say anything that mean. trust me, she wants you to have it as much if not more than you`
`07:21.03`	`Vilkku`	`not blaming any one`
`07:21.20`	`Vilkku`	`it was a comment more aimed at blizzard that the actual people here`
`07:21.58`	`Vilkku`	`http://www.lumethemad.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/sebspeakerwg2.jpg take a look at that meanwhile :D`
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`07:25.41`	`Tekkub`	`right, people who blur out ther own names when attempting to make someone else look like an ass, always look like MORE of an ass`
`07:28.39`	`zenzio`	`heh, yeah`
`07:28.53`	`zenzio`	`it's like using "honest" in your commercials`
`07:28.55`	`Vilkku`	`Sebudai was an ass tho :P`
`07:29.06`	`Vilkku`	`not that my name is one of the blurred`
`07:29.15`	`zenzio`	`I still love that picture`
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`07:33.29`	`Mery`	`well i 'learned MC' and BWL twice (first with a guild competing for server first kills, then with a new one) and even if he is an ass - i know exactly what it feels like if people only listen when something purple pops up on their screen :P`
`07:34.04`	`Elkano`	`whom are you telling that :/`
`07:35.17`	`Mery`	`the funny thing was (and it really was) that although everybody inststed "you need 40", exchanging _1_ healer often made all the difference`
`07:36.19`	`Elkano`	`well, there are a lot of encounters where a single stupid person can kill the whole raid or at least a critical amount of other players`
`07:38.02`	`Mery`	`well that too.. i meant more finally getting at least 1 person in that doesn't only heal 1 target but can read what's happening and heals the right target :)`
`07:40.15`	`Mery`	`anyway gtg, later`
`07:40.21`	`zenzio`	`I remember learning Anub'Rekhan. My guild wasn't bad, but not particularly great either, so we had quite a few occasions where any single death was certain to escalate to a wipe`
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`07:43.36`	`Cairenn`	`forums down for anyone else?`
`07:43.48`	`Vilkku`	`Cairenn, official ones? Yep`
`07:43.53`	`Cairenn`	`danke`
`07:44.16`	`Vilkku`	`was trying to read about some nice loot drama, but just got a 404 in my face`
`07:44.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`~moo`
`07:44.17`	`purl`	`ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass`
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`07:53.09`	`pb_ee1`	`Ho my. I love purl.`
`07:53.11`	`Cairenn`	`night Shirik, sweet dreams`
`07:53.19`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`07:53.22`	`Shirik`	`like I'm going to sleep`
`07:53.31`	`Cairenn`	`hey, it was worth a shot :p`
`07:53.49`	`pb_ee1`	`You guys & girls should sleep more. :'(`
`07:54.08`	`zenzio`	`we try, but they keep saying they have a headache`
`07:54.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`pfft, sleep is for wussies`
`07:55.03`	`Fisker-`	`i hope you get haunted in your dreams Shirik`
`07:55.12`	`Fisker-`	`and that you die from it`
`07:55.26`	`Shirik`	`if fisheye would just fricking work`
`07:55.29`	`Shirik`	`then I would go to sleep`
`08:10.04`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`08:10.10`	`Shirik`	`this tech support is.... confusing`
`08:10.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`NO U`
`08:10.39`	`Shirik`	`First thing they say in my reply is "Note: Fisheye uses Jetty and not Tomcat, hence the catalina.out for jira should not have any relevance to Fisheye. "`
`08:10.55`	`Shirik`	`then they say "Get a thread dump by following the instructions in this link"`
`08:10.57`	`Shirik`	`so I click on this link`
`08:11.08`	`Shirik`	`"The thread dump will be printed to Confluence's standard output (catalina.out)."`
`08:11.19`	`Shirik`	`sigh`
`08:18.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol`
`08:25.24`	`End`	`well that's fantastic`
`08:25.27`	`End`	`I just broke IE7`
`08:26.28`	`End`	`oh, it asking for my input in a window that appears behind everything else`
`08:26.34`	`End`	`it was*`
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`08:40.06`	`batrick`	`Shirik: ping`
`08:40.13`	`Shirik`	`batrick: pong`
`08:40.38`	`batrick`	`http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2008/q3/0249.html`
`08:40.42`	`batrick`	`you know anything about that?`
`08:41.42`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`08:41.44`	`Shirik`	`have fun with that`
`08:42.11`	`Shirik`	`it's annoying to deal with windows' "stdin" and "stdout"`
`08:42.19`	`Shirik`	`which are essentially emulated for all intents and purposes`
`08:42.31`	`batrick`	`figures`
`08:43.08`	`Shirik`	`I can't think of a good solution off the top of my head right now`
`08:43.50`	`Shirik`	`I mean, in general what you would do is use something like WaitForMultipleObjects(), not select()`
`08:44.00`	`Shirik`	`however I'm not quite sure how that will work for file descriptors`
`08:45.09`	`batrick`	`I don't have to worry about that thankfully`
`08:45.23`	`batrick`	`just wondering if you might know something about it`
`08:46.46`	`p3lim`	`is this the change in 3.0? http://pastey.net/93191`
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`09:05.14`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: ping`
`09:05.19`	`Wobin`	`omg wtf recruit a friend?`
`09:05.32`	`Wobin`	`CRAZY BLIZZARD`
`09:06.09`	`Wobin`	`Are they that desperate for subscriptions?`
`09:07.07`	`cncfanatics`	`Wobin: more subscriptions is always good :p`
`09:07.10`	`Wobin`	`I can see this being abused for gold farmers =P`
`09:07.16`	`Wobin`	`especially the triple xp thing`
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`09:08.40`	`Cairenn`	`hi`
`09:10.41`	`Wobin`	`btw`
`09:10.46`	`Wobin`	`anyone who hasn't bookmarked http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=518670`
`09:10.48`	`Wobin`	`should go do so now`
`09:12.32`	`pb_ee1`	`wazzat?`
`09:22.18`	`Ycarene`	`I think not`
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`09:31.48`	`Rabbitbunny`	`wait... they were giving out stuff for recruiting someone?`
`09:31.56`	`Elkano`	`wobin, would be usefull if more then 1 person would have ever donated to my paypal account :/`
`09:31.59`	`Cairenn`	`not were, are`
`09:32.24`	`Rabbitbunny`	`how long ago can they have gotten their account? My buddy just got his two days ago.`
`09:33.09`	`nevcairiel`	`probably only as of now`
`09:33.40`	`\|pez\|`	`Cairenn: do you have any good tips for getting rid of a cold? :\`
`09:33.41`	`Rabbitbunny`	`what?`
`09:34.15`	`Cairenn`	`Rabbitbunny: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20588`
`09:34.32`	`Cairenn`	`\|pez\|: probably nothing you don't already do`
`09:34.58`	`\|pez\|`	`I sleep(or atleast try), drink orange juice, head normally... and that's about it. :P`
`09:35.01`	`Elkano`	`Rabbitbunny, iirc they need to use the key from your invitation email, but I could be wrong`
`09:35.13`	`nevcairiel`	`Elkano is right`
`09:35.38`	`Cairenn`	`sleep, liquids, antihistamines, decongestants, cough suppressants, expectorants`
`09:36.30`	`nevcairiel`	`you know that old saying .. a cold usually takes 2 weeks, with medicine it takes 14 days.. you can just make it easier on you`
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`09:36.38`	`Cairenn`	`yup`
`09:36.52`	`Cairenn`	`everything I said is just to treat the symptoms`
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`09:37.18`	`zenzio`	`I exclusively use placebo when I'm feeling ill`
`09:38.26`	`Rabbitbunny`	`uhm crap. I didn't send him an invitation email.`
`09:38.34`	`Rabbitbunny`	`any fix?`
`09:38.58`	`Cairenn`	`how did he start playing?`
`09:39.10`	`Rabbitbunny`	`trial account.`
`09:39.19`	`Rabbitbunny`	`they have the 14 day trial on the website`
`09:39.19`	`Cairenn`	`is he using trial, or did he alrea .... does he have another email addy?`
`09:39.23`	`Elkano`	`as long as it isn't Lupus you should be fine...`
`09:39.24`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, I now`
`09:39.33`	`Cairenn`	`know*`
`09:39.36`	`Rabbitbunny`	`yeah, he already upgraded`
`09:39.47`	`Cairenn`	`nope then`
`09:39.49`	`nevcairiel`	`lol Elkano`
`09:39.57`	`Cairenn`	`if he's already upgraded then no joy`
`09:40.00`	`Rabbitbunny`	`bah!`
`09:40.23`	`Wobin`	`\|pez\|: stay warm, lots of liquids, sleep as much as you can, have someone to cuddle....`
`09:40.29`	`Cairenn`	`yep`
`09:40.34`	`Cairenn`	`hot toddy's are good`
`09:40.34`	`\|pez\|`	`the stymptons won't go awaaay`
`09:40.37`	`Rabbitbunny`	`They need some sort of text during the normal sign up thing saying 'If someone told you to come play with them, get them to send you an invitation email'.`
`09:40.46`	`Wobin`	`pez: no, they won't`
`09:40.49`	`\|pez\|`	`I drink warm milk with honey to make it all easier on my throat.`
`09:41.09`	`\|pez\|`	`I can stop whining now. I'm sorry. :P`
`09:41.46`	`Cairenn`	`I have a bit of a "folk remedy" that my family uses to help our throats and sinuses, but unless you've ever tried it you'll think it's absolutely insane`
`09:42.13`	`\|pez\|`	`Oh, I'm willing to have an open mind right now XD`
`09:42.13`	`Cairenn`	`naw, no apology necessary, we all get them`
`09:43.07`	`Elkano`	`nevcairiel: http://www.3dsupply.de/3d/img/produkte/00001917.jpg ;)`
`09:43.10`	`\|pez\|`	`The cold struck at the worst time. :P I've launched a site, which I intend on making money off at some point.. And I got the cold right around the time when I was going to initially launch it.`
`09:43.18`	`Cairenn`	`onion slices in a bowl with vinegar and pepper`
`09:43.42`	`Cairenn`	`(and, obviously, eat the onion slices)`
`09:44.32`	`\|pez\|`	`Well, that sounds rather gross 0.o`
`09:44.34`	`Elkano`	`makes me wanna eat sour cream & onion or salt & vinegar chips :/`
`09:44.42`	`Cairenn`	`yes, yes it does sound gross`
`09:44.52`	`Cairenn`	`but you know what? it's actually really good`
`09:45.04`	`Cairenn`	`I hate raw onion`
`09:45.06`	`Cairenn`	`I hate pepper`
`09:45.13`	`\|pez\|`	`I do to`
`09:45.20`	`\|pez\|`	`I also dislike vinegar most of the time. :P`
`09:45.21`	`Cairenn`	`but put those three together and I'll actually eat them as a snack some times`
`09:45.24`	`Industrial`	`I prefer raw onion then e.g. baked :\`
`09:45.29`	`Industrial`	`s/then/over/`
`09:45.43`	`Industrial`	`like, in my whopper :O`
`09:45.46`	`Cairenn`	`and they really are great for clearing the crap out of your throat and sinuses`
`09:46.08`	`\|pez\|`	`I was wondering if I should make the boyfriend make me some nice noodle dish today, and make him spice it up properly.`
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`09:46.44`	`\|pez\|`	`some chilis and stuff.`
`09:49.12`	`\|pez\|`	`need to actually get ahold of him before he finishes work today so he can buy some meat for it.`
`09:49.33`	`\|pez\|`	`But Cairenn, if it doesn't go away in a week or so, I'll try your remedy XD`
`09:51.17`	`Cairenn`	`won't get rid of the cold, is just another way of treating some of the symptoms`
`09:51.28`	`\|pez\|`	`Yeah`
`09:51.58`	`\|pez\|`	`I should buy a salt water nosespray, since I forgot the other day.`
`09:52.41`	`\|pez\|`	`At the moment my nose is full of snot and blood, so I don't think using the normal nosespray is a good idea anymore.`
`09:52.58`	`Wobin`	`get one of those nose teapots`
`09:53.02`	`Wobin`	`they're kinda cool`
`09:53.23`	`\|pez\|`	`which you fill with warmlike saltwater and tilt your head backwards?`
`09:53.29`	`Wobin`	`you don't have to buy the 'official' one, just buy a miniature toy teapot`
`09:53.34`	`Wobin`	`well not back, but forward`
`09:53.37`	`Wobin`	`and to the side`
`09:54.02`	`Wobin`	`it feels kinda weird if you don't get the mix/temp right, but it -does- clear out your sinuses`
`09:54.13`	`\|pez\|`	`I`
`09:54.30`	`\|pez\|`	`I've never liked getting large amounts of water into my nose.`
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`09:54.47`	`Wobin`	`you shove the spout up one nostril, tip forward, tilt your head forward and to the side so that the teapot is higher and let it flow`
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`09:55.01`	`Wobin`	`neither did I, but the fact that it's salt water and warm means it doesn't irritate your nose`
`09:55.03`	`\|pez\|`	`But I have been thinking of getting one of those.`
`09:55.13`	`Wobin`	`you actually don't feel it at all once you get the mix right`
`09:55.20`	`\|pez\|`	`So, it just flows right through?`
`09:55.29`	`Wobin`	`yep, as long as you keep your mouth shut, it's fine`
`09:55.34`	`Wobin`	`otherwise you might inhale it =)`
`09:55.41`	`\|pez\|`	`sweet`
`09:56.38`	`Cairenn`	`and there's always the standard steaming hot water in a bowl on the table lean over it with a towel tented over your head`
`09:56.51`	`Cairenn`	`hot shower steam`
`09:56.55`	`Cairenn`	`chicken noodle soup`
`09:56.58`	`Wobin`	`and put some vicks or something with menthol in the water`
`09:57.03`	`Cairenn`	`hot lemon`
`09:57.07`	`Cairenn`	`Wobin: definitely`
`09:57.17`	`\|pez\|`	`vicks? XD`
`09:57.24`	`Cairenn`	`vicks under your nose, on your throat, chest & back`
`09:57.31`	`Wobin`	`Vaporub`
`09:57.35`	`Wobin`	`not sure if you have it over there`
`09:57.44`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.vicks.com/vaporub.php`
`09:58.59`	`Wobin`	`argh`
`09:59.02`	`Wobin`	`why can't people read?`
`09:59.13`	`Wobin`	`We have a level 67 warlock asking about the dreadsteed quest`
`09:59.19`	`Wobin`	`so I point them to the wowwiki page`
`09:59.27`	`Wobin`	`... and they -still- ask questions`
`09:59.35`	`\|pez\|`	`Sweet. :P`
`10:02.19`	`Wobin`	`hm, anyone know roughly what sort of dps a balance druid should be making at 55?`
`10:02.46`	`zenzio`	`arcane`
`10:04.29`	`Wobin`	`well I'm on track for that at least =P`
`10:04.34`	`Wobin`	`I'm only hitting 200dps =\`
`10:04.41`	`Wobin`	`from starfirespam`
`10:05.34`	`nevcairiel`	`you cant really measure dps at 55`
`10:05.59`	`Wobin`	`yeah =\`
`10:06.53`	`Wobin`	`I'm just not sure if I'm ontrack for what a balance can offer at that level`
`10:08.03`	`zenzio`	`well, do you intend to be a 59 twink? Otherwise just keep going unless you're having trouble questing`
`10:08.24`	`zenzio`	`that's how I level my characters anyway, screw gear until I'm at the right level`
`10:14.28`	`Wobin`	`you're right =)`
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`10:18.40`	`\|pez\|`	`I want the boyfriend to come home and shower me with attention. :P`
`10:19.00`	`Nom-`	`man... i think i might have to start up another account for myself just so i can power level a toon`
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`10:19.10`	`Nom-`	`triple xp ... that's just ... wow`
`10:19.40`	`Nom-`	`anyone know if i can refer a friend and then reroll with him on a new server? does it still work?`
`10:20.02`	`\|pez\|`	`I see a market for multiboxers. :P`
`10:20.20`	`Nom-`	`Indeed`
`10:20.27`	`cladhaire`	`what arey ou guys reading`
`10:20.28`	`Nom-`	`It's the bloody perfect way to get into it`
`10:20.30`	`cladhaire`	`?`
`10:20.37`	`Rabbitbunny`	`Nom-: it seems so, but i'm only on page 15.`
`10:20.38`	`Nom-`	`I linked pastey earlier`
`10:20.48`	`Nom-`	`http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93181`
`10:20.53`	`Wobin`	`cladhaire: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20588`
`10:21.20`	`Nom-`	`and... i wonder... do your accounts get perma linked for triple xp etc?`
`10:21.23`	`cladhaire`	`how does that effect power leveling?`
`10:21.43`	`Nom-`	`cladhaire: triple xp when grouped, can summon your friend anywhere in the world, for ever 2 levels your friend gets, you get one`
`10:21.44`	`Cairenn`	`http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20588`
`10:21.53`	`Wobin`	`well you can power level -two- goldfarmers!`
`10:22.01`	`cladhaire`	`but you still take a huge penalty for helping someone lower than you?`
`10:22.15`	`Wobin`	`not really, I'm talking about two from scratch`
`10:22.22`	`cladhaire`	`yeah if you did that, sure`
`10:22.26`	`cladhaire`	`I suppose Tom and I shoudl do that`
`10:22.32`	`cladhaire`	`but it requires new accounts, which does suck`
`10:22.37`	`Nom-`	`the link lasts 90 days`
`10:22.40`	`Nom-`	`nice`
`10:22.47`	`cladhaire`	`ah too short`
`10:22.48`	`Nom-`	`that's enough for easily 2 toons`
`10:22.51`	`cladhaire`	`so not worth it for me`
`10:23.25`	`cladhaire`	`While you are partied with a linked recruit, any Rest State you have accumulated is not consumed. Only the tripled experience from the Recruit-A-Friend program is applied.`
`10:23.28`	`cladhaire`	`thats the best feature, imo`
`10:23.59`	`cladhaire`	`p3lim: that change is being reverted as far as I'ma ware`
`10:24.05`	`cladhaire`	`to make it function(msg, self) end`
`10:24.15`	`cladhaire`	`it just may not have hit beta yet`
`10:24.20`	`\|pez\|`	`I've used like.... 19 ingame days to level my char to 61.`
`10:24.24`	`\|pez\|`	`I guess I'm just slow. :P`
`10:24.28`	`nevcairiel`	`the revert was in the latest build`
`10:24.39`	`nevcairiel`	`but i wonder, when did he ask a question?`
`10:24.59`	`cladhaire`	`he didn't, i think`
`10:25.00`	`cladhaire`	`he just posted it`
`10:25.03`	`cladhaire`	`and i didn't read`
`10:25.05`	`cladhaire`	`cause i'm not feeling well`
`10:25.09`	`nevcairiel`	`ah`
`10:25.18`	`Wobin`	`=(`
`10:25.36`	`\|pez\|`	`cladhaire: wanna join me in the "we are sick, please nurse us" corner? :P`
`10:25.47`	`cladhaire`	`my partner would want me to`
`10:25.54`	`cladhaire`	`he woke up last night and yelled at me for being so restless`
`10:25.59`	`cladhaire`	`like i didn't feel shitty enough =(`
`10:26.59`	`Cairenn`	`:(`
`10:27.12`	`\|pez\|`	`Awww :(`
`10:27.27`	`cladhaire`	`but oh well`
`10:27.29`	`\|pez\|`	`my boyfriend person let me have the bed all to myself all night.`
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`10:28.11`	`cladhaire`	`hehe`
`10:28.15`	`cladhaire`	`probably the smart decision`
`10:28.31`	`p3lim`	`cladhaire: about the slashcmd?`
`10:28.38`	`cladhaire`	`hrm?`
`10:28.47`	`p3lim`	`<cladhaire> p3lim: that change is being reverted as far as I'ma ware`
`10:28.52`	`cladhaire`	`yes it is`
`10:28.56`	`p3lim`	`ok :)`
`10:28.57`	`cladhaire`	`if you dont care, just ignore me.`
`10:29.08`	`p3lim`	`wut?`
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`10:32.55`	`laeg`	`from the wiki: The global cooldown is generally 1.5 seconds for all classes except rogues and cat form druids, whose abilities are mostly one second global cooldown.`
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`10:33.15`	`laeg`	`does that mean the cooldown after equipping a dagger before executing ambush is 1 second`
`10:33.26`	`cladhaire`	`test it and see?`
`10:33.29`	`laeg`	`or instant because ambush is instant and therefore there's no cooldown`
`10:33.41`	`laeg`	`cladhaire: i can't login right now`
`10:39.23`	`\|pez\|`	`Anyone here have websites with feedburner feeds?`
`10:41.00`	`Wobin`	`I read one that I'm pretty sure uses one?`
`10:41.32`	`\|pez\|`	`I need a person who has a site with a feed from there.`
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`10:41.41`	`\|pez\|`	`But thanks ^^`
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`10:56.20`	`\|pez\|`	`Damnit, I used to hate shoes... now I have a shoefetish or something - http://www.ellos.no/DetailPages/DetailPage.aspx?categoryid=23182&productId=212013&SellingFlag=SearchText&SearchBackLink=`
`10:57.15`	`Wobin`	`Antiarc: hehe I need to blip more`
`10:57.27`	`Antiarc`	`blip more plz`
`10:57.32`	`Antiarc`	`make me rich and famous and such`
`10:57.41`	`Antiarc`	`New push out tonight. Lots of fun stuff.`
`10:57.56`	`Wobin`	`\|pez\|: they look... complex`
`10:58.06`	`Wobin`	`and expensive`
`10:58.11`	`\|pez\|`	`Nah`
`10:58.19`	`Wobin`	`oh come on`
`10:58.24`	`Wobin`	`it has buckles laces -and- zips`
`10:58.24`	`\|pez\|`	`lemme go convert the prize. :P`
`10:58.26`	`\|pez\|`	`price`
`10:58.36`	`Wobin`	`and it's not even a pair of pants`
`10:59.09`	`\|pez\|`	`73 dollars`
`10:59.20`	`Wobin`	`...`
`10:59.30`	`Wobin`	`Are they.. like... toy shoes maybe?`
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`10:59.59`	`Aznamir`	`Ecco > All`
`11:00.18`	`Wobin`	`hm, My parents are in Amsterdam. Perhaps they could detour and buy them =P`
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`11:04.26`	`Cairenn`	`those ones are nice too \|pez\|`
`11:04.38`	`Cairenn`	`I still want these ones: http://www.dsw.com/dsw_shoes/catalog/product.jsp?category=dsw4cat60008&prodId=172399&brand=`
`11:06.27`	`batrick`	`Is there a user controlled way to make outfitter run a custom script for more than one event?`
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`11:11.29`	`\|pez\|`	`Cairenn: those are nice. I'm not a fan of sandaly things on myself though`
`11:11.32`	`\|pez\|`	`my toes are weird.`
`11:12.04`	`Cairenn`	`show me a woman that likes her toes?`
`11:12.29`	`\|pez\|`	`people who show them off in commercials?`
`11:12.33`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`11:12.49`	`Wobin`	`"I went to a party and was able to stand comfortably for a few hours"`
`11:12.51`	`Wobin`	`><`
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`11:13.37`	`\|pez\|`	`I think the ones I showed would be nice for autumn. .P`
`11:14.33`	`Drayeah`	`batrick: You can give a list of events that should trigger the custom script at the beginning of the script`
`11:14.56`	`Cairenn`	`\|pez\|: nod`
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`11:20.10`	`\|pez\|`	`I really want to do something with a pair of high heeled shoes I have though.`
`11:21.20`	`Wobin`	`perhaps... the chacha?`
`11:21.39`	`\|pez\|`	`:P`
`11:21.55`	`\|pez\|`	`I don't like the way they look anymore, and it would be a shame just to throw them away.`
`11:21.58`	`\|pez\|`	`I've used them like.. once`
`11:22.14`	`batrick`	`Drayeah: like events = {"UNIT_AURA", "CHAT_MSG_PARTY"} ?`
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`11:25.25`	`Drayeah`	`No in the beginning of the script you can put a line like: -- $EVENTS EVENT_ONE EVENT_TWO`
`11:25.39`	`batrick`	`o... ya I found it now thank you`
`11:25.41`	`Drayeah`	`Check out the sample scripts at the bottom of http://wobbleworks.com/outfitter/manual/`
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`11:34.00`	`Fisker-`	`i like your toes Cairenn`
`11:34.18`	`Cairenn`	`lol, thanks Fisker- ... although I'm not sure when you've seen them ....`
`11:35.10`	`\|pez\|`	`I have pictures of my toes on the internet!`
`11:36.29`	`laeg`	`lol`
`11:36.34`	`laeg`	`that's funny :)`
`11:38.10`	`\|pez\|`	`they are in this collection of pictures - http://cuddlebutt.com/bilder/kenya/`
`11:40.29`	`\|pez\|`	`it strikes me I don't look very happy in the second last picture...`
`11:41.12`	`Wobin`	`omg`
`11:41.14`	`Wobin`	`KITTIES`
`11:41.22`	`Wobin`	`(granted, omg lions, but omg kitties)`
`11:41.25`	`\|pez\|`	`large kitties!`
`11:41.54`	`\|pez\|`	`I've seen humping lions, live. :P`
`11:41.57`	`\|pez\|`	`How cool aren't I?!`
`11:42.35`	`\|pez\|`	`Did you know lions do it for a few shorts seconds each time? But they do it up to 70 times a day?`
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`11:47.46`	`Cairenn`	`\|pez\|: I showed you the lolcat with lions, didn't I?`
`11:48.43`	`Cairenn`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/03/funny-pictures-i-not-has-a-pms/`
`11:52.31`	`Wobin`	`I <3 ihazcheezeburger`
`11:52.38`	`Wobin`	`but the comments make me want to stab people`
`11:52.45`	`Wobin`	`IT'S NOT CUTE WHEN YOU'RE NOT A CAT DAMNIT`
`11:52.53`	`Cairenn`	`heh, yeah`
`11:53.15`	`Cairenn`	`and/or not to the degree they do it`
`11:53.24`	`\|pez\|`	`Cairenn: haha, yeah, I loved that one.`
`11:53.48`	`Cairenn`	`the occasional lol from a person is okay, but they just take it waaaaay too far on that site`
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`12:23.39`	`batrick`	`gah`
`12:23.52`	`batrick`	`outfitter doesn't put stuff you equipped back where it was`
`12:23.59`	`batrick`	`damn o well : /`
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`12:55.21`	`Nom-`	`hmm i reckon if blizz hasn't sent the authors keys by this time tomorrow that they'll batch them all together`
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`13:21.15`	`Daedals`	`A-S-D I say`
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`13:22.01`	`Daedals`	`it's only week and two days but it feels like eternity`
`13:22.22`	`\|pez\|`	`waiting for something?`
`13:22.31`	`Industrial`	`...`
`13:22.32`	`Industrial`	`YES`
`13:23.00`	`Daedals`	`:D AARGH`
`13:23.07`	`Daedals`	`I'm going grazy`
`13:23.22`	`\|pez\|`	`I'm guessing beta keys? :P`
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`13:26.37`	`Daedals`	`:(`
`13:26.51`	`Daedals`	`myao`
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`13:38.02`	`ReAn`	`Daedals: Be Patient`
`13:38.15`	`Daedals`	`sorry, can't`
`13:38.30`	`Cairenn`	`GRARR!`
`13:38.37`	`ReAn`	`GAO~`
`13:38.41`	`ReAn`	`sup Cairenn`
`13:38.45`	`Cairenn`	`me`
`13:38.48`	`Cairenn`	`and I shouldn't be`
`13:38.50`	`ReAn`	`yay`
`13:38.57`	`ReAn`	`i have the ultimate setup right now`
`13:39.00`	`ReAn`	`3 monitors`
`13:39.18`	`ReAn`	`left monitor auto-refreshing my gmail inbox, center monitor working on my uimod, right monitor IRC`
`13:39.25`	`Daedals`	`I have only one :D`
`13:39.30`	`Daedals`	`brand new :)`
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`13:51.25`	`Dezzimal`	`ReAn: two video cards? or one of those fancy geforce quattros?`
`13:51.45`	`Beladona`	`so I hear invites went out?`
`13:52.01`	`Dezzimal`	`I can only run two monitors, and I'm wondering if a regular pci videocard would be a worthwhile investment to power my 3rd + 4th`
`13:52.28`	`Dezzimal`	`Beladona: a wave of optin invites went out`
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`13:55.32`	`ReAn`	`Dezzimal: Two computers actually`
`13:55.40`	`ReAn`	`laptop is in the middle doing mod development`
`13:55.58`	`ReAn`	`desktop is basically rigged to explode with enthusiasm when my beta key arrives`
`13:56.03`	`ReAn`	`and i use it to chat too`
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`13:59.07`	`Daedals`	`I have thunderbird in tray refreshing gmail and IRC behind the WoW window :P`
`13:59.14`	`Mery`	`hmm, if the blizzcon murloc on the polarbear mount is waving that flag constantly i think i don't event want that (and that's a first heh)`
`13:59.39`	`Mery`	`not that i'd have a chance to get it anyway`
`13:59.53`	`\|pez\|`	`polarbear mount!`
`14:00.34`	`Mery`	`i did 764 quests for my cat, not gonna change that :P`
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`14:07.50`	`durcyn`	`i'd rather have a polar bear without the stupid murloc, bleh`
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`14:33.44`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Who else thinks it's evil for Blizzard to send out a mass mailing having to do with a recruiting tactic when I'M WAITING FOR MY BETA KEY?!? :P`
`14:34.20`	`batrick`	`ya`
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`14:35.17`	`\|Jelly\|`	`woosh ?`
`14:35.32`	`durcyn`	`YOUR beta key?`
`14:35.39`	`durcyn`	`weird.`
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`14:38.15`	`Dashkal`	`\|Jelly\|: Consider it a beta test for your email from blizzard working :p`
`14:38.26`	`Dashkal`	`That actually works for me, I had changed my email recently`
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`14:41.51`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: ping`
`14:41.57`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: pong`
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`14:42.14`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: there seems to be a problem with oUF & quickhealth`
`14:42.25`	`cncfanatics`	`http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t29470-libquickhealth_inspired_instant_health/#post842157`
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`14:43.05`	`cncfanatics`	`do you throttle unithealth internaly or something ?`
`14:43.34`	`haste`	`nope`
`14:43.45`	`haste`	`the oUF code is pretty straight forward`
`14:43.53`	`cncfanatics`	`seems it lags behind for some reason`
`14:44.23`	`cncfanatics`	`got a clue why it'd do that ?`
`14:44.23`	`haste`	`where is quickhealth at anyway?`
`14:44.32`	`cncfanatics`	`its on wowace`
`14:44.36`	`haste`	`none at all`
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`14:45.02`	`cncfanatics`	`mind checking my plugin code ?`
`14:45.06`	`cncfanatics`	`maybe I made a mistake in it`
`14:45.25`	`cncfanatics`	`http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/oUF_QuickHealth/oUF_QuickHealth.lua`
`14:45.44`	`ReAn`	`hrm, how can i extract a spell's ID from it's name/rank combination?`
`14:45.54`	`cncfanatics`	`ReAn: parse it from the spelllink`
`14:46.03`	`cncfanatics`	`GetSpellLink(SpellName); iirc`
`14:46.06`	`ReAn`	`ew`
`14:46.56`	`batrick`	`ReAn: it's probably something like: "GetSpellLink(SpellName):match("spell:(%d+)")"`
`14:47.00`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: what am I to compare against in the video?`
`14:47.14`	`Tem`	`GetSpellInfo`
`14:47.15`	`cncfanatics`	`screenshot is clearest`
`14:47.27`	`durcyn`	`GetSpellInfo doesn't return the spell ID`
`14:47.29`	`ReAn`	`Tem: Spell Info dosent have spell ID`
`14:47.32`	`haste`	`I watched it frame by frame cncfanatics`
`14:47.45`	`Tem`	`then you're stuck with the link`
`14:47.45`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: I didn't watch it personaly`
`14:47.54`	`Tem`	`~api GetSpellInfo`
`14:47.55`	`purl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellInfo`
`14:47.55`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: both grid & oUF update at once in it ? :o`
`14:48.00`	`durcyn`	`and parsing GetSpellLink is probably still more efficient than looping over GetSpellInfo 75,000 times`
`14:48.12`	`haste`	`I looked at the other unit frame, not grid :p`
`14:48.37`	`cncfanatics`	`according to the guy, grid updates 24 frames earlyer then oUF dos`
`14:48.49`	`Tem`	`durcyn: duh?`
`14:49.06`	`ReAn`	`batrick: I think the GetSpellLink(...) is the full \|c........\|H...etc....`
`14:49.10`	`durcyn`	`Tem: i won't say which addon i saw doing that then =P`
`14:49.19`	`Tem`	`...`
`14:49.21`	`ReAn`	`will match find the first occurance?`
`14:49.44`	`batrick`	`I haevn't tried it but it should`
`14:49.54`	`batrick`	`remove the "\|H`
`14:50.03`	`batrick`	`" so you can see the contents of a spell link`
`14:50.03`	`Tem`	`GetSpellInfo should be fast, yes, but callling ti 75,000 times can't be faster than a single call and a single regex`
`14:50.09`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: seem to update at the same time here`
`14:50.21`	`cncfanatics`	`weird`
`14:50.35`	`cncfanatics`	`anyway, brb`
`14:50.38`	`haste`	`btw cncfanatics`
`14:50.44`	`cncfanatics`	`yes,`
`14:50.45`	`cncfanatics`	`?`
`14:50.51`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: you should use oUF.objects`
`14:50.55`	`batrick`	`e.g. DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetSpellLink(SpellName):gsub("\|H","LINK"))`
`14:51.01`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: how so ?`
`14:51.02`	`haste`	`it's an array, ipairs is faster`
`14:51.02`	`batrick`	`ReAn: so you can see the contents`
`14:51.17`	`cncfanatics`	`will check in it soon`
`14:51.24`	`cncfanatics`	`kinda want to find out why i can't connect to my realm first`
`14:52.04`	`batrick`	`ReAn: I'd suggest making a table that maintains a cache of spell ids if you dot his often`
`14:52.26`	`ReAn`	`for now im doing single scans`
`14:52.37`	`ReAn`	`Im going to make it store this info later`
`14:52.46`	`ReAn`	`im just flushing out the basics atm`
`14:55.15`	`batrick`	`ReAn: use this: http://wowi.pastey.net/93205`
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`14:55.38`	`batrick`	`Then you can get the spell ID by simply doing SpellID["Frostbolt"]`
`14:55.39`	`batrick`	`or simliar`
`14:56.25`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: I honestly can't see it on the video`
`14:56.36`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: I'll check in a sec`
`14:56.40`	`cncfanatics`	`didn't personaly check it yet either`
`14:56.55`	`ReAn`	`thx batrick: i don't really need the links tbh, i just need the IDs`
`14:57.08`	`batrick`	`that's what it does... it gets the ID for you`
`14:57.18`	`ReAn`	`ah, you're right`
`14:57.43`	`ReAn`	`im already storing these :) but thx, ima save this snippit, it's usefull!`
`14:58.13`	`batrick`	`yw`
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`15:02.44`	`sioraiocht`	`nevcairiel: I have a question about german for you, if you don't mind at are around`
`15:03.02`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: what u think about the screenshot in that thread ?`
`15:03.06`	`nevcairiel`	`sure`
`15:04.10`	`sioraiocht`	`so.."Die Katze sieht dem Fisch zu" is a sentence I came across`
`15:04.16`	`sioraiocht`	`why isn't it den Fisch?`
`15:04.34`	`sioraiocht`	`isn't the verb zusehen, and so "Fisch" should be in the dative?`
`15:05.11`	`zenzelezz`	`can't "dem" be plural? (I'm not very good at German)`
`15:05.28`	`sioraiocht`	`zenzelezz: no, it's the dative for masculine and neutr`
`15:05.32`	`sioraiocht`	`*neuter`
`15:05.33`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: no idea really`
`15:05.44`	`zenzelezz`	`"dative" tells me nothing, we don't have that in my language IIRC`
`15:05.58`	`sioraiocht`	`zenzelezz: which is what?`
`15:06.32`	`zenzelezz`	`or maybe we had them but call them something else, I can never remember... anyhow, I'm Norwegian`
`15:06.49`	`sioraiocht`	`ah, yeah I think most of the scandinavian languages got rid of their dative case a long time ago`
`15:06.53`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: only thing oUF does is set a metatable index on the frames, to index oUF`
`15:07.05`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: so it accesses the functions there`
`15:09.38`	`sioraiocht`	`nevcairiel: any idea? =p`
`15:11.42`	`nevcairiel`	`uhm, i suck at explaining grammar, i just know that it has to be "dem", because fisch is masculine singular`
`15:11.52`	`sioraiocht`	`yeah but...`
`15:11.54`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: actually I know why`
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`15:12.09`	`sioraiocht`	`nevcairiel: the infinitive is zusehen, right?`
`15:12.21`	`sioraiocht`	`"to watch something"?`
`15:12.24`	`nevcairiel`	`yes`
`15:12.28`	`sioraiocht`	`okay`
`15:12.28`	`sioraiocht`	`hrm`
`15:13.49`	`sioraiocht`	`would say you Sie hÃ¶ren das MÃ¤dchen zu or Sie hÃ¶ren dem MÃ¤dchen zu?`
`15:13.56`	`nevcairiel`	`dem`
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`15:14.05`	`sioraiocht`	`okay, well at least there's a pattern to it..`
`15:14.33`	`TecnoBrat`	`hmmm that was odd, I was on the channel, but I wasn't ...`
`15:14.42`	`TecnoBrat`	`I could see all nick changes and quits, but that was it`
`15:14.52`	`Industrial`	`haste: why are oUF frames unnamed?`
`15:15.02`	`p3lim`	`are they?`
`15:15.20`	`Industrial`	`as far as I can see yes`
`15:15.22`	`p3lim`	`you can get to them by using oUF.objects`
`15:15.30`	`haste`	`Industrial: because they don't require a name, and the layout author can name them`
`15:15.33`	`TecnoBrat`	`Anyone know why on beta they added another value to itemstrings? The value is your characters current level ... which is really weird.`
`15:15.53`	`p3lim`	`local player = oUF:Spawn("player", "oUF_Player")`
`15:15.55`	`p3lim`	`example..`
`15:16.02`	`Industrial`	`oh hmm spawn can pass a name`
`15:16.03`	`Industrial`	`ok`
`15:16.35`	`p3lim`	`only reason you'd want a name on them anyways is for kgPanels anchoring etc`
`15:16.45`	`p3lim`	`and you can still get to them by oUF.objects`
`15:16.50`	`ReAn`	`anyone know of a good Windows BLP Viewer ?`
`15:17.06`	`p3lim`	`ReAn: you can convert blp files to tga or something`
`15:17.21`	`Industrial`	`p3lim: I think all visual frames should have a name`
`15:17.27`	`Industrial`	`and i dont use kgpanels`
`15:17.41`	`ReAn`	`im not interested in conversion`
`15:17.45`	`ReAn`	`i just wanna preview them`
`15:17.59`	`foxlit`	`getamac`
`15:17.59`	`p3lim`	`ReAn: www.wowwiki.com`
`15:18.03`	`p3lim`	`:p`
`15:18.18`	`p3lim`	`Industrial: why would you want global names on them then?`
`15:18.40`	`p3lim`	`or is it just a unwritten rule? :p`
`15:18.45`	`sioraiocht`	`nevcairiel: ahh, in case you're wondering, i read that all verbs prefixed by "zu" take the dative`
`15:18.55`	`Industrial`	`"unwritten rule"`
`15:18.59`	`Industrial`	`I said I want.`
`15:19.08`	`Industrial`	`because then i know wtf it is, for example`
`15:19.22`	`p3lim`	`hehe :)`
`15:19.43`	`p3lim`	`btw`
`15:19.54`	`p3lim`	`anyone had any issues with glitching or something within wow`
`15:20.11`	`p3lim`	`I have this issue with non-texture backdrops`
`15:20.39`	`p3lim`	`sometimes the whole thing show behind the frame, sometimes not`
`15:21.27`	`p3lim`	`got no idea what makes like this`
`15:23.12`	`Industrial`	`yeah!`
`15:23.14`	`Industrial`	`mt`
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`15:46.59`	`batrick`	`does GetSpellLink work for english spell names across different locales?`
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`15:48.38`	`Aznamir`	`Not sure, but you can always find the localized name using the spell id`
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`15:56.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`<sioraiocht> nevcairiel: ahh, in case you're wondering, i read that all verbs prefixed by "zu" take the dative <-- that's probably correct`
`15:57.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`at least I can't think of a case where that wouldn't apply right now`
`15:58.35`	`laeg`	`i need the strenght to stop answering and proving wrong an idiot on the wow forums trying to tear down everything i say!`
`15:59.29`	`laeg`	`part of me wants him to respond, i'm a sick, sick man :(`
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`16:11.31`	`Nom-`	`If I'm not doing work, I don't know what to do these days...`
`16:11.43`	`Nom-`	`Guild isn't raiding any more lol`
`16:13.56`	`Nom-`	`I might have to take advantage of the refer a friend thing and roll a new toon`
`16:15.24`	`Nom-`	`only that means 2 accounts to get Wrath for lol`
`16:16.27`	`Tem`	`transfer the toon off the new account`
`16:16.39`	`Tem`	`or (gasp) actually refer a friend`
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`16:17.53`	`Nom-`	`Actually someone @ work proposed that to me today`
`16:18.16`	`Nom-`	`he wanted the mount, so suggested he'd pay for the account for 2 months.. i passed because i plan to be playing beta a lot as soon as i get the ky`
`16:18.19`	`Nom-`	`*key`
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`16:19.44`	`Icecoldcoke`	`We don't even know when we're getting the keys though. It could be weeks from now if they don't need a lot of testers`
`16:20.27`	`Nom-`	`Well then I'm not going to be doing much for the next few weeks :/`
`16:21.15`	`Tem`	`triple experience is a pretty big draw imo`
`16:21.22`	`Tem`	`I'd love to level an alt 3x as fast`
`16:21.38`	`Aznamir`	`That mean I could level to 60 in one day /played`
`16:21.40`	`Aznamir`	`whoa`
`16:21.48`	`Nom-`	`kek`
`16:22.02`	`Nom-`	`but you need your 'friend' to play as much as you do`
`16:22.04`	`Nom-`	`or dual box`
`16:22.12`	`Nom-`	`I'm almost tempted to give dual box a go actually`
`16:22.13`	`Aznamir`	`2 boxed my last alt`
`16:22.42`	`Aznamir`	`got to 60 in less than 4 days /played`
`16:22.44`	`Nom-`	`the only problem is, the easiest characters to dual box are casters, and i want to roll a warrior`
`16:22.51`	`Aznamir`	`to 70 in 6 days`
`16:23.04`	`Aznamir`	`I had warrior + paladin healbot`
`16:23.07`	`Nom-`	`i did it about that going full solo :P`
`16:23.15`	`Icecoldcoke`	`I think the summoning feature would be fun.. like flying really high in outlands then summoning your friend to you.`
`16:23.29`	`Icecoldcoke`	`Well, fun for us not them. :p`
`16:24.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`i'm sure you have to cast to summon`
`16:24.32`	`Icecoldcoke`	`Hm, maybe.`
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`16:28.44`	`erikd`	`it'd still be fun to summon your lowbie friend to one of the floating platforms in netherstorm or nagrand`
`16:29.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: ping`
`16:29.37`	`foxlit`	`pong`
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`16:31.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: buffalo, for one, is still not working. in function Buffalo:GetDurationString(seconds, cat) it tries to use 'seconds' but that's nil. so I guess from wherever that was called, a function that was supposed to return seconds (I'd say "time left on buff") didn't`
`16:32.47`	`foxlit`	`works for me`
`16:33.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: to be exact: [2008/08/06 18:27:21-171-x1]: Buffalo\Buffalo.lua:894: attempt to compare number with nil (which is called from some Ace2 TriggerEvent, so not really traceable)`
`16:33.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`? how can it work for you and not for me? :P`
`16:33.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`did you update your pastey again while I was sleeping and working ;)`
`16:35.18`	`foxlit`	`I don't think so`
`16:35.42`	`foxlit`	`if anything,went the other way`
`16:36.27`	`nevcairiel`	`Gnarfoz: on beta? probably because return values of UnitBuff changed`
`16:36.38`	`*** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal)`
`16:37.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`nevcairiel: yes on beta. and this is about foxlit's GetPlayerBuff (et al) compat layer thingy ;)`
`16:37.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`because those functions don't exist anymore. it's all UnitAura() now`
`16:37.21`	`nevcairiel`	`screw compatlayer thingys`
`16:37.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`nevcairiel: go branch buffalo and fix it then. I already started, but it kept breaking in odd places and it would only show duration as 0 :\`
`16:39.35`	`Stanzilla`	`FacadeBuffs. end :D`
`16:40.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`Stanzilla: ?`
`16:41.50`	`Stanzilla`	`I don't know which buffalo features you use but for me it was the skinning (cycircled) and moving and FacadeBuffs does that (with ButtonFacade) and works in the beta`
`16:41.56`	`oreth`	`guys`
`16:41.59`	`oreth`	`i don't play WoW anymore`
`16:42.05`	`oreth`	`I've been playing D2 like a mad-man`
`16:42.14`	`oreth`	`i just go "click click click click"`
`16:42.30`	`oreth`	`however, there is no UI developement for it :(`
`16:42.32`	`Icecoldcoke`	`clicker oh noes`
`16:43.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`Stanzilla: moving (I'm doing that with Visor2 right now, which is not easy because I have to re-do it each time I get: a second row of buffs, a debuff, and so on, because the frames I have to move don't exist beforehand) and "more buffs on one line". I don't care about skinning`
`16:43.38`	`foxlit`	`Gnarfoz: I know why it works for me -- Buffalo2 vs Buffalo`
`16:44.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`someone finished buffalo2? (which never did anything else than buffalo1 anyway)`
`16:44.15`	`foxlit`	`frankly, both are a pain to find`
`16:44.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'll give that a try then. I just don't want to get three rows of buffs. it sucks :D`
`16:44.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`how is files.wowace.com hard? :>`
`16:44.45`	`foxlit`	`Ask them how they manage to escape showing up on google.`
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`16:44.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=buffalo2`
`16:45.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`erm`
`16:45.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`first result`
`16:45.23`	`foxlit`	`now, see, buffalo2 != buffalo`
`16:45.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`buffalo is a bit harder though, I give you that`
`16:46.03`	`foxlit`	`regardless, there's no "proper" page`
`16:46.21`	`foxlit`	`That first result is a scan of the .toc :/`
`16:46.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`like 80% of ace-based or ace-"hosted" addons, because devs are lazy ;)`
`16:47.28`	`foxlit`	`well, add an "or -1" or something to the relevant function in that script`
`16:48.09`	`foxlit`	`I had issues with buffs not disappearing if it returned or 0; but I suppose that's because everyone has different assumptions about how things behave`
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`16:50.27`	`Kirov`	`ping amro`
`16:51.24`	`sioraiocht`	`Gnarfoz: are you a german speaker?`
`16:51.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`sioraiocht: native, yes`
`16:51.55`	`Josh_Borke`	`sioraiocht: PWNED! :-P`
`16:52.05`	`sioraiocht`	`Josh_Borke: why? I was curious =p`
`16:52.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: buffalo2 seems to at least not error, but it certainly acts weird ^^`
`16:52.14`	`sioraiocht`	`Josh_Borke: he agreed with what I said, too =p`
`16:52.32`	`Josh_Borke`	`well....ok`
`16:52.46`	`sioraiocht`	`lol`
`16:52.57`	`ReAn`	`does GetTrainerServiceLevelReq(...) return 0 if the player is high enough to train the service?`
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`16:53.12`	`amro\|afk`	`Kirov: pong`
`16:53.50`	`Kirov`	`http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.8.5.zip - % text, absolute values, missing text`
`16:54.08`	`amro`	`missing text?`
`16:54.11`	`Kirov`	`Also updated graphics and sct like event text (to replace the combat feedback of the player frame)`
`16:54.24`	`Kirov`	`missing value, ie "500/600, -100"`
`16:54.27`	`amro`	`ah`
`16:54.37`	`Kirov`	`And zero options!`
`16:54.39`	`Kirov`	`:)`
`16:54.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`still not moveable either, eh? :P`
`16:54.56`	`Kirov`	`shush`
`16:55.03`	`amro`	`i have them movable`
`16:55.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hehe, eh, that stuff's the easy part.`
`16:55.12`	`amro`	`hold on a sec, I have a ss`
`16:55.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i'm too lazy to move kirov's balls.`
`16:55.56`	`Josh_Borke`	`does anyone have some webspace that they could put a bz2 file for cladhaire to pull down from with wget for me? ^_^`
`16:56.02`	`amro`	`http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1205/wowscrnshot080608170655ca8.jpg`
`16:56.36`	`amro`	`Josh_Borke: yep, what is it?`
`16:56.45`	`Kirov`	`amro - I have a completely different take on % text display`
`16:56.54`	`Josh_Borke`	`it's an svn dump that i need him to import into a wowi repo`
`16:57.00`	`Josh_Borke`	`i can email you bz2 file`
`16:57.06`	`Josh_Borke`	`or i've uploaded it on rapidshare also`
`16:57.15`	`Josh_Borke`	`but you can't wget from rapidshare :-(`
`16:57.44`	`amro`	`Josh_Borke: pm`
`16:58.07`	`Josh_Borke`	`email sent`
`16:59.06`	`Josh_Borke`	`you can just send me a link to it and i'll forward that to cladhaire and let you when he has it`
`16:59.48`	`*** join/#wowuidev Shirik\|Ecole (i=9b1f4424@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-25c094899494c27c)`
`16:59.55`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik\|Ecole] by ChanServ`
`17:00.03`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`batrick: ping`
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`17:00.16`	`*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Malgayne] by ChanServ`
`17:00.30`	`amro`	`Josh_Borke: sent`
`17:01.14`	`batrick`	`Shirik\|Ecole: pong`
`17:01.51`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`batrick: I nailed that first question btw`
`17:02.05`	`batrick`	`grats :)`
`17:02.38`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: do you want a patch, or should I commit?`
`17:02.47`	`*** join/#wowuidev dread (n=jake@c-71-238-222-7.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)`
`17:02.53`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`e^(-3t)-e^(-2t)-19/36(u(t-2))+((t-2)/6)u(t-2)+((e^(-2(t-2)))/4)u(t-2)+(7e^(-3(t-2))/9)u(t-2) is perfect :P`
`17:03.08`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`But I lost 1 point because I didn't graph it :(`
`17:03.13`	`Cide`	`nice function`
`17:03.14`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`failure to read instruction ftw`
`17:03.15`	`Cide`	`that's pretty hot`
`17:03.26`	`Cide`	`or expression, rather`
`17:03.39`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`it's a function, y(t) :)`
`17:03.47`	`Cide`	`you didn't express it as one though :)`
`17:03.58`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`y(t) = that mess`
`17:04.01`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`there, function`
`17:04.46`	`Kirov`	`Shirik\|Ecole - there's a guy here at work that made a game for himself (based on a game he used to play in college). It's a grid with a couple of colored dots on it. You have to write a function that makes the line pass through every dot. Each time you get it, it adds another dot. Eventually it starts adding black dots you can't touch.`
`17:04.55`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: commit please`
`17:05.17`	`oreth`	`wait`
`17:05.19`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: there's quite a few changes, so going to test some`
`17:05.20`	`oreth`	`WAIT WAIT WAIT`
`17:05.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`Kirov: did he say anything about being a masochist, too? ;p`
`17:05.31`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: mind just sending me a changelog ?`
`17:05.37`	`cncfanatics`	`in kara atm :p so can't do much`
`17:06.23`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Kirov: Sounds like fun`
`17:07.14`	`batrick`	`whars mai beta keyz`
`17:07.25`	`batrick`	`has Cairenn pooped them out yet?`
`17:07.30`	`cncfanatics`	`nop`
`17:07.39`	`cncfanatics`	`that was harsh btw :p`
`17:07.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`17:07.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Dream-Customer.aspx`
`17:07.49`	`batrick`	`she said she eated them earlier`
`17:08.22`	`Dashkal`	`so are they going to come "premium" like the civet cat poop coffee?`
`17:08.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`still not getting a key, and it's been two weeks now :\`
`17:08.40`	`batrick`	`03:08:53^D3/< ^Dg^D3/^DgVilkku^Dg^D3/> ^De^Dgwhere be my key?!`
`17:08.41`	`batrick`	`03:09:06^D3/<@^Dg^D3/^DgCairenn^Dg^D3/> ^De^Dgin ma belly!`
`17:08.41`	`batrick`	`03:10:49^D;/<^D3/ ^Dg^D;/^Dgbatrick^Dg^D;/> ^De^DgCairenn eated it`
`17:08.50`	`batrick`	`wow that pasted well`
`17:08.57`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`17:09.02`	`nevcairiel`	`color codes ftl`
`17:09.06`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`DgD3`
`17:09.10`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`that's fun`
`17:09.11`	`batrick`	`irssi's log format sucks`
`17:09.45`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (n=kalroth@3908ds1-hj.0.fullrate.dk)`
`17:10.34`	`amro`	`there's a lot about irssi that sucks`
`17:10.48`	`batrick`	`lol?`
`17:10.59`	`amro`	`like support for multiple servers`
`17:11.00`	`Dashkal`	`ScytheBlade1: I can think of one or two people offhand that are probably doing that just as obliviously`
`17:11.05`	`batrick`	`uh`
`17:11.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`amro: uhm...?`
`17:11.12`	`batrick`	`irssi does support multiple servers?`
`17:11.19`	`amro`	`yes`
`17:11.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`in quite a nice way, actually, too`
`17:11.24`	`amro`	`not very well imo`
`17:11.28`	`amro`	`i run two instances instead`
`17:11.37`	`batrick`	`...`
`17:11.42`	`batrick`	`massive fail`
`17:11.45`	`batrick`	`~fail amro`
`17:11.46`	`purl`	`amro, you Fail!`
`17:11.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`how is "it does everything an IRC client can do, on any number of networks at the same time" "not well"?`
`17:12.14`	`amro`	`because it fails when I connect to my bouncer on two accounts`
`17:12.45`	`amro`	`it gets confused seemingly... joins on the wrong server etc`
`17:12.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`your bouncer is not an IRC server, at all.`
`17:13.02`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`ok, wtf is this`
`17:13.04`	`amro`	`it behaves like one`
`17:13.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`that's certainly not the same`
`17:13.12`	`amro`	`right`
`17:13.12`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`li23-154 mpdelbuono # ls -l \| grep }`
`17:13.13`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Aug 5 14:26 Ã²;^}<Ã®Â¼ÃµÃÃºÂ·)Â²Â¨`
`17:13.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`and you don't even know that for sure`
`17:13.14`	`amro`	`but it fails`
`17:13.37`	`amro`	`I use it, I just feel like it doesn't live up to its reputation`
`17:13.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`so either you configured your bouncer wrong. your bouncer sucks at pretending to be an IRCd. you didn't tell irssi what it needs to know to handle this "pseudo ircd". you could also just as well use irssiproxy and get rid of your bouncer ;)`
`17:14.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`keep in mind, it's also a text mode client, screaming "power users only" (or at least "man page readers only" ;))`
`17:14.46`	`amro`	`im well aware of that`
`17:14.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`Shirik: you sure you didn't have a break-in of some sort? ;)`
`17:14.49`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`batrick: http://li23-154.members.linode.com/test.pdf`
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`17:15.08`	`amro`	`my bouncer is properly configured, it works damn fine with konversation`
`17:15.33`	`amro`	`but irssi acts up, dunno why.`
`17:16.13`	`batrick`	`Shirik\|Ecole: go get FreeDNS`
`17:16.24`	`batrick`	`or better yet`
`17:16.30`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`f that`
`17:16.31`	`batrick`	`pay 5$ a year and get your own domain`
`17:16.37`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I can remember that name`
`17:16.37`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`not hard`
`17:16.40`	`*** join/#wowuidev Wikwocket (n=wikwocke@ppp-68-20-3-121.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)`
`17:16.47`	`batrick`	`others won't`
`17:17.02`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`they don't need to :P`
`17:18.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`you sure you couldn't remember an IP more easily? ;0`
`17:18.58`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I remember IPs too`
`17:19.14`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`and isn't a domain name like $40/yr?`
`17:19.21`	`batrick`	`uhh ... no`
`17:19.26`	`batrick`	`!g one and one`
`17:19.38`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`but tell me how much you like the solution!`
`17:19.42`	`batrick`	`batbot is down`
`17:19.43`	`batrick`	`...`
`17:19.57`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`totally wasn't me this time`
`17:20.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`1und1 sucks.`
`17:20.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`;)`
`17:20.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Gnarfoz: Even if I did have a break in`
`17:20.26`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`why would they make this file and leave...`
`17:20.29`	`amro`	`Kirov: im confused, I see CreateDiabloGlobes etc but I can't find RedGlobe/BlueGlobe`
`17:20.29`	`batrick`	`one and one is fine if all you want is a domain name`
`17:20.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`Shirik: perhaps they root-kitted your (virtual) box and fucked up`
`17:20.53`	`Kirov`	`amro - hmm?`
`17:20.54`	`erikd`	`domains haven't been $40/yr since 1998`
`17:21.04`	`*** join/#wowuidev batbot (n=batbot@c-68-35-67-18.hsd1.nm.comcast.net)`
`17:21.11`	`Kirov`	`amro - Should be the last 100 lines or so`
`17:21.14`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@host217-44-188-85.range217-44.btcentralplus.com)`
`17:21.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`batrick: true enough, everyone can do that probably. if you use your own DNS, they can't really mess up. Generally speaking though, 1und1 sucks :D`
`17:21.16`	`zenzelezz`	`yeah, domains tend to be cheap; hosting it what costs`
`17:21.23`	`amro`	`Kirov: nevermind, it's my archiver playing tricks on me`
`17:22.04`	`erikd`	`to be honest you can probably get a site and domain from godaddy for ~$75/yr`
`17:22.15`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`screw that`
`17:22.23`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I have my own box why would I pay for a site`
`17:22.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`haha, today's xkcd is nice.`
`17:22.54`	`amro`	`Kirov: yep, I see it now`
`17:23.09`	`erikd`	`because more than likely you don't have an upstream that can support multiple 800KBps uploads? :)`
`17:23.32`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`erikd: Unlikely :P`
`17:23.47`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I have no hard limits`
`17:24.45`	`erikd`	`well, if you ever do need a host i'd recommend dreamhost. i've been there for 2 years now and i get something like 500GB of storage and 6TB of transfer a month for 110/yr`
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`17:25.04`	`foxlit`	`get vs use`
`17:25.05`	`erikd`	`they did have some reliability issues at first but it seems fine in the last year`
`17:25.08`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`dreamhost`
`17:25.10`	`\|Jelly\|`	`~hug Shirik\|Ecole`
`17:25.11`	`purl`	`ACTION hugs Shirik\|Ecole tightly until Shirik\|Ecole turns slightly blue`
`17:25.13`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`no`
`17:25.21`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`that's one of the companies I will never go to again`
`17:25.24`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`them and bluehost`
`17:25.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: does Buffalo2 do debuff tooltips for you? :\`
`17:25.38`	`foxlit`	`Gnarfoz: no, and I can guess why`
`17:25.49`	`Wikwocket`	`godaddy is okay, just don't expect tons of support`
`17:25.50`	`foxlit`	`I only translated the buff method :)`
`17:25.51`	`erikd`	`knownhost was good for my VPS but i didn't need them anymore`
`17:25.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: meh :\`
`17:26.18`	`batrick`	`it's be nice if linode gave a lot more disk space`
`17:26.22`	`batrick`	`it's not like it's expensive`
`17:26.40`	`foxlit`	`what did you fill their gigabytes with? :)`
`17:27.08`	`batrick`	`I dont' use linode`
`17:27.16`	`batrick`	`I have my own server at my house`
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`17:27.41`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Yeah, Linode does have limited disk space, but it's not bad`
`17:27.46`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`and that's their only real limitation`
`17:27.50`	`foxlit`	`so what did you fill your gigabytes with?`
`17:27.53`	`erikd`	`shirik: what kind of problems did you have with dreamhost?`
`17:27.58`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I'm only using 3GB right now, and about 2GB of that is the OS`
`17:28.00`	`batrick`	`foxlit: port`
`17:28.01`	`batrick`	`porn*`
`17:28.07`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`erikd: Better question is what worked correctly`
`17:28.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`Their backup generator worked correctly`
`17:28.23`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`that's about it`
`17:28.31`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`so I never lost data, fortunately`
`17:28.50`	`batrick`	`dude`
`17:28.53`	`batrick`	`you have like`
`17:28.54`	`erikd`	`weird, i've really never had a problem with them`
`17:28.57`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`granted, the site I was using was rather high demand`
`17:28.58`	`batrick`	`a page of work for question one`
`17:29.05`	`batrick`	`I did it on 2 note pad sheets`
`17:29.07`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`batrick: page and a half :D`
`17:29.22`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`yes, but my answer's correct!`
`17:29.27`	`batrick`	`so is mine!`
`17:29.35`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`negative! You were missing a component!`
`17:29.39`	`batrick`	`no`
`17:29.42`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`It didn't solve the IVP, only the general problem`
`17:29.57`	`batrick`	`ya because getting the complete solution is so hard`
`17:30.16`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I still like my 19/36`
`17:30.33`	`batrick`	`getting lunch laterz~`
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`17:30.45`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`pz`
`17:30.49`	`Shirik\|Ecole`	`I'm going to go too`
`17:31.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`erikd: ... http://www.dreamhost.com/ this? did someone deface their home page? D:`
`17:32.26`	`erikd`	`yeah, them and no that's how it usually looks :)`
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`17:33.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`I know it's probably supposed to be a subtle jab, but damn that kid looks horrible to be the first thing I see when visiting a company's home page ;D`
`17:33.43`	`Nom-`	`lol wtb`
`17:33.50`	`Nom-`	`s/b/f/`
`17:34.03`	`Nom-`	`what kind of company uses pics of young boys to sell their services ?`
`17:35.01`	`Kaso`	`^_-`
`17:35.08`	`ckknight`	`companies that sell young boys`
`17:35.18`	`erikd`	`i could probably make some kind of off color joke to that`
`17:35.25`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://www.instructables.com/id/Body-Mod-Elf-Ears/`
`17:36.00`	`Nom-`	`thank god for SAN snapshots`
`17:36.24`	`Kirov`	`NightHawkTheSane - I actually met someone who had naturally pointed ears.`
`17:37.13`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Kirov: odd, but shrug. those are a) not natural. b) on -instructables-, cause yeah, what we need is people trying to do that by themselves. ><`
`17:37.17`	`Nom-`	`what...the...fuck ?`
`17:37.24`	`Nom-`	`excuse the french`
`17:37.31`	`Nom-`	`but who the hell does that kind of stuff? :/`
`17:38.04`	`Wikwocket`	`that is rather disturbing o_O`
`17:38.12`	`Wikwocket`	`"body mods" sheesh`
`17:38.22`	`Kirov`	`Nom- - the same group of people who stick plastic things under their skin so they appear to have scales.`
`17:39.34`	`erikd`	`who wants a linode referral?`
`17:39.36`	`Kirov`	`I mean, the most peculiar body mod I have is a prehensile tail I had made for me so I could climb trees more easily, but these people are just crazy!`
`17:40.26`	`Kirov`	`Actually, there's a pair of performance artists / twins that had one of their arms surgically removed and grafted on to the other brother.`
`17:40.29`	`Kirov`	`That's twisted.`
`17:43.50`	`cog\|work`	`hmm... the new recruit-a-friend stuff is ... interesting`
`17:44.19`	`Kirov`	`http://www.bmezine.com/news/people/A10101/addsub/ - warning, can be somewhat distrurbing.`
`17:44.38`	`erikd`	`nsfw disturbing?`
`17:44.46`	`cog\|work`	`Nom-: i linked that to my wife and her reply was "How much do you think it costs?"`
`17:45.06`	`Kirov`	`erikd - includes an image of someone surgically reattaching an arm`
`17:46.48`	`erikd`	`hmm`
`17:46.55`	`Kirov`	`cog\|work - My fiancee noted that if you leveled your friend to 70 you could instantly level that lvl 65 character you stopped playing all the way to 70 as well.`
`17:46.55`	`erikd`	`maybe after i finish lunch`
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`17:48.20`	`Lunessa`	`station`
`17:49.52`	`cog\|work`	`Kirov: yeah... I'm actually a bit shocked that they've given a sales ploy such a noticeable impact on gameplay`
`17:49.53`	`Wikwocket`	`Kirov: you can only grant levels to a sub-60`
`17:50.32`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: http://hastey.pastey.net/93218-36qm don't have time to commit now`
`17:51.23`	`cncfanatics`	`in kara atm, I don't either :(`
`17:51.54`	`cncfanatics`	`uh ?`
`17:51.59`	`cncfanatics`	`ain't that code much less efficient then the old one ?`
`17:52.03`	`Kirov`	`Wikwocket - I thought it was just a "lower level" than the level gained.`
`17:52.12`	`Wikwocket`	`Also capped at 60`
`17:52.12`	`cncfanatics`	`no guid map anymore`
`17:52.13`	`Kirov`	`sub 60 would make more sense`
`17:52.39`	`Wikwocket`	`they are keeping the outland leveling barrier for any alt it seems`
`17:53.04`	`Kirov`	`so the triple xp, etc. is in azeroth only?`
`17:53.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's capped at 60`
`17:53.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Zone doesn't matter`
`17:53.37`	`foxlit`	`there's no real "outland levelling area"`
`17:53.44`	`foxlit`	`s/area/barrier/`
`17:53.50`	`foxlit`	`I ran out of levels before I ran out of outland zones`
`17:54.09`	`Aznamir`	`leveling 60+ is even faster on beta`
`17:54.23`	`Aznamir`	`like getting lvl 64 after finishing helfire and zang`
`17:54.25`	`Lunessa`	`Did I miss something important?`
`17:54.56`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: calling oUF:UNIT_HEALTH won't work`
`17:54.59`	`cog\|work`	`foxlit: same here... I didn't do any questing in Nagrand or SMV until after i hit 70`
`17:55.02`	`foxlit`	`depends on what you consider important :)`
`17:56.33`	`erikd`	`shirik!`
`17:56.56`	`cncfanatics`	`oh, I see it now`
`17:56.57`	`cncfanatics`	`ty haste`
`17:57.03`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`?`
`17:57.35`	`erikd`	`do you want a linode referral?`
`17:57.50`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: I'll try to commit it after kz`
`17:57.51`	`cncfanatics`	`if you didn't yet`
`17:58.16`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: also, why do you require a self in your QH unithealth?`
`17:58.26`	`haste`	`I would have to compile SVN to commit`
`17:58.50`	`cog\|work`	`foxlit: but it's good for altoholics like me... I'm also REALLY glad they added stuff in dustwallow so i don't have to spend one second in STV :P`
`17:59.04`	`foxlit`	`Dunno, I like STV`
`17:59.36`	`cog\|work`	`i suppose now that there's a flight path at the top for alliance and level 30s can mount it's a lot less of a PITA`
`17:59.45`	`foxlit`	`even without that`
`18:00.12`	`cog\|work`	`I brought 3-4 toons up to 40 via STV so i've been avoiding it like Gnomeregan since then :P`
`18:00.13`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: actually, I can commit in 10min or so :p`
`18:00.22`	`Fisker-`	`haste my friend`
`18:00.30`	`haste`	`Fisker-: what now :D ?`
`18:00.41`	`Fisker-`	`lets harass Shirik and cog\|work`
`18:00.44`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: It was coded originaly with a :UnitHealth(args) declaration`
`18:00.55`	`cog\|work`	`~literal emulate cogwheel`
`18:00.55`	`purl`	`"emulate cogwheel" is "(<action>shakes her fist at the forums http://ctscreens.net/5307 \| <reply>~lart3mis \| <reply>sag_ich_nicht: l2________)"`
`18:00.56`	`cncfanatics`	`wld change it, but its a bit too late now, don't want to break everything`
`18:01.23`	`haste`	`could have made a new function that didn't requyire it`
`18:01.25`	`cog\|work`	`~seen art3mis`
`18:01.31`	`purl`	`art3mis <i=art3mis@WoWUIDev/WoWI/HKUI/art3mis> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 76d 16h 48m 47s ago, saying: 'come to #requiem if yer interested/wanna chat'.`
`18:01.31`	`cog\|work`	`~seen sag_ich_nicht`
`18:01.32`	`purl`	`sag_ich_nicht <i=bitch2k@85-127-204-122.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 20h 20m 56s ago, saying: 'nvm then'.`
`18:01.54`	`haste`	`anyway, I'm leaving now`
`18:02.19`	`Tem`	`Shirik\|AFK: ping`
`18:02.25`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Tem: pong`
`18:02.25`	`Fisker-`	`i am pretty dangerous haste`
`18:04.23`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Tem?`
`18:06.40`	`erikd`	`shirik: do you want a referral for linode? i'd hate for it to go to waste`
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`18:07.07`	`Pneumatus`	`anyone know if there's a completely transparent texture anywhere in the default wow interface?`
`18:07.42`	`cncfanatics`	`god damnit`
`18:07.46`	`cncfanatics`	`can't connect to magtheridon`
`18:07.51`	`cncfanatics`	`but every other realm works fine :(`
`18:07.53`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone else with issues ?`
`18:08.06`	`Nom-`	`cncfanatics: Try ipconfig /flushdns`
`18:08.09`	`Nom-`	`works for me sometimes`
`18:08.35`	`Pneumatus`	`scratch that, \|T:0\|t appears to work :>`
`18:08.42`	`frop`	`i had same issue some minutes ago...stuck on "connected"`
`18:08.44`	`cncfanatics`	`Nom-: I'm on linux`
`18:08.48`	`cncfanatics`	`thats a windows command :p`
`18:09.08`	`frop`	`after some minutes...all was fine`
`18:09.15`	`frop`	`btw, anyone using RBM?`
`18:09.47`	`frop`	`there's a mode to "announce" bars with a mouse click?`
`18:10.14`	`cncfanatics`	`great, I just finished making a raid, I relog, and now I can't login`
`18:10.15`	`cncfanatics`	`god damnit`
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`18:14.40`	`Wikwocket`	`~comfort cncfanatics`
`18:14.41`	`purl`	`There, there, cncfanatics. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`18:15.13`	`cncfanatics`	`I just finished making a kara pug, and now I can't connect to my realm lol`
`18:15.16`	`cncfanatics`	`slightly anoying`
`18:15.24`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm stuck at "connected"`
`18:16.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`:(`
`18:16.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`err`
`18:16.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Wrong window, haha`
`18:17.21`	`frop`	`cncfanatics as told ya, i had same issue`
`18:17.28`	`frop`	`waited some minutes...and i'm on`
`18:17.45`	`cncfanatics`	`frop: also on maggy EU ?`
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`18:20.18`	`cog\|work`	`Shirik\|AFK: ping (or anyone else familiar with visual studio)... is there a setting to keep console apps from closing immediately? It's really annoying to have to add kb input code to the end of main for testing...`
`18:20.29`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`is this going to be another ping where you never reply again?`
`18:20.32`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`cough Tem * cough*`
`18:20.43`	`laeg`	`one is right in saying leveling in a group getting less xp per mob killed but completing more quests is the faster way to level, right?`
`18:20.44`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`erikd: I already have two linodes`
`18:20.56`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`cog\|work: I haven't found one yet`
`18:20.59`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`It is indeed annoying`
`18:21.00`	`Tem\|sleep`	`Shirik\|AFK, have you done anything with C#?`
`18:21.01`	`laeg`	`on all quests, not just group quests?`
`18:21.06`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Tem\|sleep, a little`
`18:21.10`	`Tem\|sleep`	`sorry, my boss walked in as you pinged back`
`18:21.18`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I know about CLR decently well`
`18:21.23`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`if it's a CLR-like question`
`18:21.35`	`Tem\|work`	`XmlReader isn't playing nice`
`18:21.51`	`cog\|work`	`Tem\|work: i've been working lightly in C# for a while`
`18:21.57`	`Tem\|work`	`well, I think the problem comes from writing to a MemoryStream`
`18:22.16`	`Tem\|work`	`I'm genrating some XML that gets used as a layout by some other software`
`18:22.48`	`Tem\|work`	`I have my XmlWriter write to a MemoryStream and then try to tell the stuff I'm working with to read from that stream`
`18:22.53`	`Tem\|work`	`and it barfs on me`
`18:23.00`	`Kirov`	`Tem - http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.8.5.zip - adds % text and absolute values`
`18:23.13`	`Tem\|work`	`from the stacktrace, I can see that they're using an XmlReader to read what I send them`
`18:23.26`	`Tem\|work`	`Kirov, woot`
`18:24.10`	`Tem\|work`	`To make sure that I'm generating good xml, I've tried it another way:`
`18:24.24`	`Tem\|work`	`I let my xmlwriter write to a file`
`18:24.36`	`Tem\|work`	`and then told the layout thing to pull that file`
`18:24.46`	`Tem\|work`	`it worked that way`
`18:26.17`	`Tem\|work`	`I've also tried dumping the contents of the MemoryStream to the console so I can see what it's got`
`18:26.23`	`Kirov`	`hmm... two people on the forum complaining that they can't tab target after installing Cosmos`
`18:26.28`	`Tem\|work`	`and as far as I can tell, it's exactly what I was seeing in the file`
`18:26.49`	`Tem\|work`	`Kirov, onyxia deep breaths less if you install Ace`
`18:27.02`	`Tem\|work`	`Shirik, cog\|work, any ideas?`
`18:27.18`	`foxlit`	`Tem\|work: I've heard Ace2 increases the breath frequency :/`
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`18:27.32`	`Tem\|work`	`probably true`
`18:27.39`	`Kirov`	`Ace3 Onyxia gives you candy instead.`
`18:28.05`	`Kirov`	`With Rock Onyxia skips phase one entirely and only flame breaths.`
`18:28.13`	`Kirov`	`s/flame/deep/`
`18:28.21`	`Pneumatus`	`and chainfear?`
`18:28.26`	`Tem\|work`	`Shirik, cog\|work I gotta run. I'll bug you guys later once I'm back at my desk`
`18:28.36`	`cog\|work`	`Tem\|work: i've never worked with memorystream before... is it even accessible outside the program in which it's defined? You probably have to jump thorugh some hoops to give the other program access to it...`
`18:28.42`	`Tem\|work`	`weekly programmer meeting :(`
`18:28.55`	`Tem\|work`	`cog\|work, same program`
`18:29.45`	`ReAn`	`HAHAHAHA`
`18:29.50`	`ReAn`	`http://web.mit.edu/zacka/www/warcart.html <--- excelent`
`18:29.52`	`ReAn`	`watch the movie`
`18:30.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol @ multiple high-gain antennas`
`18:30.31`	`ReAn`	`dude`
`18:31.00`	`ReAn`	`the guy was perusing around harvard square recording cellphone convos, laptop wifi, police scanner traffic, normal radio waves`
`18:31.02`	`ReAn`	`etc...`
`18:31.11`	`ReAn`	`everything free and in the air, unencrypted`
`18:31.31`	`ReAn`	`it's all for a demonstration @ defcon 16 apparantly`
`18:32.00`	`cog\|work`	`zomg`
`18:32.06`	`cog\|work`	`Shirik\|AFK: CTRL-F5`
`18:32.16`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`isn't that execute?`
`18:32.18`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`non-debug?`
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`18:32.55`	`cog\|work`	`well if you're debugging you could just set a breakpoint`
`18:33.05`	`cog\|work`	`now that i think about it`
`18:33.21`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`no`
`18:33.29`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`because ctrl+f5 doesn't run in the debugger`
`18:33.38`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`so the breakpoint won't be set`
`18:33.48`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`this is all by memory, of course`
`18:33.51`	`cog\|work`	`right... and when you mentioned that i realized setting a breakpoint would be simpler than adding pause code`
`18:34.03`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`yeah :) That's what I do`
`18:34.03`	`cog\|work`	`if you do ctrl-f5 it pauses`
`18:36.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"A powerful 900 MHz antenna and radio scanner can pick up cordless telephone conversations and record them to one of the laptop's hard drives. The obnoxious-mode switch can also switch the live conversation over the PA speaker, ensuring everyone in the community will hear the conversation."`
`18:36.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Greatest thing ever`
`18:37.47`	`cog\|work`	`5GHZ digital encrypted cordless phone ftw`
`18:38.38`	`ReAn`	`ScytheBlade1: Same guy: http://web.mit.edu/zacka/www/midas.html <--- check out the 3rd youtube embed`
`18:38.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ReAn: no flash, so I can't watch the videos`
`18:39.04`	`ReAn`	`:(`
`18:39.12`	`ReAn`	`you're missing out`
`18:39.17`	`ReAn`	`bookmark them for later?`
`18:39.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`meh, effort`
`18:41.26`	`amro`	`Kirov: your implementation is awesome, so much better than what I had`
`18:41.35`	`amro`	`the new look is nice as well`
`18:43.01`	`erikd`	`shirik: i mean i'm going to sign up for one and you can have my referral :)`
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`18:54.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`ReAn: lol`
`18:54.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`ReAn: also, he wouldn't be able to watch them later, either`
`18:56.19`	`amro`	`Kirov: http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8651/wowscrnshot080608195254gd2.jpg`
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`19:16.25`	`\|pez\|`	`I fail at nosehorns.`
`19:21.38`	`\|pez\|`	`ok, guys and gals. Anyone with a feedburner feed wanting to check something for me?`
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`19:33.05`	`Sixen`	`hai`
`19:34.39`	`\|pez\|`	`means shark in Norwegian!`
`19:39.06`	`Lunessa`	`amro: The orbs, they are huge.`
`19:39.21`	`Pneumatus`	`its like a diablo 2 timewarp`
`19:39.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`wow Lunessa, stay away for 4 days why dont you`
`19:40.14`	`Lunessa`	`Thunder_Child: Yeah, yeah yeah. Migraines, Tropical Storms, and un-fettered Beta time will conspire to do that.`
`19:40.39`	`Dashkal`	`Migrains suck`
`19:40.46`	`Dashkal`	`much like my spelling`
`19:41.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`"World of Warcraft released in Russian" does that mean it will be filled with the "in russia" jokes?`
`19:45.30`	`Diao`	`omg`
`19:45.57`	`Dashkal`	`is it bad that every time I see someone say "omg" or the like I quickly refresh my mail?`
`19:46.02`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: I can commit now if you want me to :p`
`19:46.17`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: please do`
`19:46.35`	`amro`	`Lunessa: it's adjustable`
`19:47.03`	`Diao`	`lol`
`19:47.06`	`amro`	`but that's not important, need to get something like an automap`
`19:47.26`	`Lunessa`	`amro: I was just being silly. I was going to say "The orbs, they are huge. ... Like my nuts." but restrained myself until now.`
`19:49.21`	`Lunessa`	`Oh, and Thunder_Child I needed to go from 70 - 76; which meant too much time in WoW for much else.`
`19:49.49`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: btw, did you also fix the env changing func ?`
`19:49.57`	`cncfanatics`	`need to change the env of the current UNIT_HEALTH, not the oUF one`
`19:50.02`	`cncfanatics`	`didn't check if you did in ur patch`
`19:50.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lunessa, WoW & IRC are not mutually exclusive`
`19:50.53`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: I did that originally, but I don't think anyone will replace UNIT_HEALTH directly`
`19:51.05`	`Lunessa`	`... No, but I'm a crappy typist and unless you want to see a lot of 1111343311 in irc...`
`19:51.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`hahaha, your not worse tham me`
`19:51.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`than*`
`19:51.42`	`cncfanatics`	`haste: its needed so ur func calls Quickhealth's UnitHealth rather then blizz' one`
`19:52.36`	`\|pez\|`	`Ok, I'm gonna give in for temptation, I can't help it. ;__;`
`19:52.43`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: obj.UNIT_HEALTH == oUF.UNIT_HEALTH :p`
`19:52.51`	`cncfanatics`	`oh`
`19:52.56`	`cncfanatics`	`nvm me then`
`19:53.13`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: the objects have oUF as a index metatable instead of the default frametable`
`19:53.28`	`cncfanatics`	`I see`
`19:53.32`	`cncfanatics`	`also explains why the plugin was broken`
`19:53.45`	`haste`	`yep`
`19:53.47`	`Lunessa`	`\|pez\|: It's only temptation if the item in question is illegal, immoral or fattening.`
`19:54.19`	`\|pez\|`	`Lunessa: or shoes I don't need.`
`19:54.50`	`Lunessa`	`those probably fall under "immoral". :P`
`19:55.11`	`\|pez\|`	`http://www.ellos.no/DetailPages/DetailPage.aspx?categoryid=23182&productId=212013&SellingFlag=SearchText&SearchBackLink=`
`19:55.14`	`\|pez\|`	`but lookatthem!`
`19:55.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`it needs a steel toe`
`19:55.58`	`\|pez\|`	`Nonono.`
`19:56.29`	`Lunessa`	`No it doesn't. But what it does need is fodder for another channel.`
`19:56.50`	`\|pez\|`	`fodder for another channel?`
`19:57.43`	`Lunessa`	`As in the kinds of things you talk about doing as a result of wearing those shoes probably belongs in #shoefetish`
`19:58.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`of which Lunessa is prolly an admin`
`19:58.07`	`cncfanatics`	`is it possible to check if ur in combat with a macro ,`
`19:58.08`	`cncfanatics`	`?`
`19:58.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`[combat] ?`
`19:58.35`	`Sixen`	`What's latest beta patch? 8714 or 8741?`
`19:58.52`	`\|pez\|`	`I just like pretty shoes. :P`
`19:58.56`	`Lunessa`	`Thunder_Child: Not the admin, but I host the pic...er, never mind.`
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`19:59.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha, I just read Guillotine's signature on the beta forums`
`19:59.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271252&sid=2000#3`
`19:59.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That might be an incredible macro`
`20:00.12`	`Dashkal`	`new UI forum?`
`20:00.27`	`Lunessa`	`OMG. Epic macro of FAIL!`
`20:00.32`	`Sixen`	`hehe`
`20:01.20`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The entire character sheet`
`20:01.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`All of the stats, both sides of the columns`
`20:01.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Just read "FAIL"`
`20:03.11`	`cncfanatics`	`ScytheBlade1: every single fontstring shld :p`
`20:05.17`	`foxlit`	`What's the story with temporary accounts for the beta?`
`20:05.25`	`foxlit`	`"To play on the beta realms, you will need to create a temporary Blizzard Account. " << bs`
`20:06.36`	`Josh_Borke`	`daemona went and died`
`20:07.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`foxlit, so?`
`20:07.53`	`foxlit`	`That blew that page's credibility on that front`
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`20:08.04`	`foxlit`	`Did someone actually make a temp account, and, if so, what do you use it for?`
`20:08.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`logging onto the beta`
`20:08.29`	`foxlit`	`My live account logs into the beta`
`20:09.23`	`Kirov`	`The orbs are easily resized, though the current text on them is designed to work specifically with that size, it can easily be changed.`
`20:09.45`	`Kirov`	`I also run with a UI scale of 0.65, so the orbs tend to be a bit smaller for me.`
`20:10.30`	`Kirov`	`amro - have you seen the feedback text?`
`20:10.53`	`erikd`	`is northrend a pve or pvp beta server?`
`20:11.44`	`foxlit`	`I think they're both pve`
`20:11.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`foxlit, http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/wownews.jpg`
`20:12.00`	`erikd`	`ouch, no pvp beta? =/`
`20:12.30`	`foxlit`	`TC: disagrees with reality.`
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`20:13.08`	`foxlit`	`But yeah, I may even have seen that news item -- it's still doesn't seem to be true, at least not as far as the EU accounts are concerned`
`20:15.27`	`Sixen`	`There's a PvP Server.`
`20:15.34`	`Sixen`	`Lich King is PvP, Northrend is PvE`
`20:20.35`	`ANTRat`	`i use the temp account (email) to login to the beta, havnt tried my normal username`
`20:20.46`	`Dashkal`	`hrm, there's an <Invalid Target> on Northrend. I wonder if there's any relation to the Elune guild`
`20:21.03`	`erikd`	`sixen: ahh, thanks`
`20:21.27`	`erikd`	`still waiting on them to fix blizzcon beta keys =/`
`20:21.36`	`Lunessa`	`Northrend is PvE, Lick King is PVP`
`20:21.47`	`Gryphen`	`thats what he said`
`20:22.10`	`Dashkal`	`prolly not, common enough guild name`
`20:22.28`	`Lunessa`	`And in Beta, I think <Invalid Target> folded up shop. It was an Alpha guild really. Haven't seen anyone in it since.`
`20:22.35`	`Dashkal`	`nods`
`20:22.53`	`Dashkal`	`Didn't realize it was such a common name. The IT I knew was a raiding offshoot of my first guild`
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`20:24.25`	`amro`	`Kirov: yeah`
`20:24.32`	`amro`	`nice animation`
`20:24.40`	`amro`	`but it doesn't do resist/miss`
`20:24.49`	`Lunessa`	`One of my toons was tagged with it in Alpha. Even the G/L of it is wearing a different tag now.`
`20:25.17`	`Sixen`	`=x`
`20:26.25`	`Kirov`	`amro - yeah, I'll fix that eventually`
`20:34.11`	`amro`	`Kirov: i'm adding those, just a few else ifs`
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`20:41.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: rtfm regarding EU/US beta logins`
`20:41.16`	`foxlit`	`ltfm, Gnarfoz.`
`20:41.41`	`\|Jelly\|`	`ACRONYMS!`
`20:41.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`long term fiscal model? oO`
`20:41.50`	`foxlit`	`link`
`20:41.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`(I think you meant 'link')`
`20:41.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`;D`
`20:42.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`well, read the US beta faq and the EU beta faq`
`20:42.18`	`foxlit`	`link both`
`20:42.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`one mentions blizz accounts, one doesn't`
`20:42.42`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Arrowmaster: Ping`
`20:42.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`https://beta.wow-europe.com/expansion/ + exchange hostname for US`
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`20:43.14`	`invitado76`	`HOLA`
`20:43.18`	`invitado76`	CUANDO `PONEN
`20:43.19`	`foxlit`	`so why is it the invitation email links only to the US one?`
`20:43.25`	`invitado76`	`PAYPAL EN PERU`
`20:44.07`	`Fisker-`	`what do you mean foxlit ?`
`20:44.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: I never got an invitation email, so I don't know wtf you are talking about. link pls :p`
`20:44.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`(also, still not mod author key :\)`
`20:44.31`	`Fisker-`	`The invitation link only has a link to the forums and the beta signup`
`20:44.37`	`foxlit`	`Or I may be looking at the wrong link :)`
`20:44.41`	`Fisker-`	`invitation email that is`
`20:44.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`well, see guillotine's sig for an answer to that mystery, I guess`
`20:45.09`	`foxlit`	`more stuff to find, meh :)`
`20:45.36`	`\|pez\|`	`my boyfriend might lose his job. :\`
`20:45.57`	`Fisker-`	`awesome`
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`20:46.20`	`Kirov`	`\|pez\| - Random question. Why are you in this channel?`
`20:46.20`	`amro`	`Kirov: wouldn't it be simpler if :SetEventText took direction as arg?`
`20:46.35`	`Kirov`	`amro - yes... what's your point? ;)`
`20:47.14`	`Mery`	`\|pez\| is here to talk about sandals with cai.renn`
`20:47.14`	`\|pez\|`	`Kirov: once upon a time, I had an idea for a WoW addon.`
`20:47.26`	`amro`	`that it should :) dunno if you're working on it, ill post my changes if you want though`
`20:47.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`Mery, you fail at pinging`
`20:47.45`	`Kirov`	`amro - The SetEventText function itself is kinda dumb, but I haven't really put much thought in to it yet as it "works".`
`20:47.52`	`\|pez\|`	`I do play wow occasionally, and this is a good resource of new stuff.`
`20:48.01`	`\|pez\|`	`news stuff*`
`20:48.19`	`\|pez\|`	`And! ... I like the people ehre.`
`20:48.20`	`\|pez\|`	`here`
`20:48.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`lies`
`20:48.30`	`Kirov`	`amro - That whole event system is very much a "lets just get something that works" thing. I may look at generalizing it better.`
`20:48.37`	`Mery`	`I only learned how to ping you, Thunder_Child!`
`20:48.45`	`\|pez\|`	`Kirov: Do you have a problem with me being here? :\`
`20:48.48`	`Tem`	`Shirik\|AFK, cog\|work, what were you guys going to suggest I try to find in the debugger?`
`20:48.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`Mery, also lies`
`20:49.03`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`hm?`
`20:49.15`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`btw, did you ever ask me a question?`
`20:49.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`no, we hate you`
`20:49.31`	`Kirov`	`\|pez\| - just curious, I've never seen you talk about wow stuff. Most people in here I know have at least some kind of connection to the wow ui community.`
`20:49.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`really Kirov?`
`20:49.54`	`\|pez\|`	`I was going to make a Addon once.`
`20:50.01`	`\|pez\|`	`but then I found out my brain was broken.`
`20:50.04`	`Tem`	`Shirik\|AFK: ...`
`20:50.09`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I'm sorry :(`
`20:50.16`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I've been in a raid`
`20:50.24`	`Tem`	`XmlReader not playing nice with my MemoryStream`
`20:50.26`	`\|Jelly\|`	`~hug Shirik\|AFK`
`20:50.26`	`purl`	`ACTION sneaks up on Shirik\|AFK and suddenly hugs Shirik\|AFK tightly`
`20:50.33`	`Tem`	`that got written by an XmlWriter`
`20:50.34`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`oh right`
`20:50.46`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`what do you mean by "not playing nice"?`
`20:50.56`	`Gnarfoz`	`that could be read as you only "knowing" those who have a connection to the wow ui community, Kirov ;) also, doesn't being in here kind of count as being part of the community? ;)`
`20:51.00`	`Tem`	`I'm not sure that it's getting my xml at all`
`20:51.05`	`Mery`	`\|pez\|: what was that addon idea that made you join this channel?`
`20:51.12`	`Tem`	`I get an XmlException "data at the root level is invalid"`
`20:51.18`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`this is .NET?`
`20:51.22`	`Tem`	`yes :(`
`20:51.41`	`\|pez\|`	`Mery: A superduper awesome guild addon! I'll brb though, my tummy is getting rather upset for some reason.`
`20:51.55`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`so you mean System::Xml?`
`20:52.10`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`in System::Xml*`
`20:52.18`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I just want to look it up real quioc`
`20:52.20`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`quick`
`20:52.56`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`where's the MemoryStream come from?`
`20:53.31`	`Kirov`	`Gnarfoz - it's more people who are active in the channel at one point or another say something about wow or coding, erc.`
`20:53.33`	`Kirov`	`etc`
`20:53.43`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`i.e., is it just a stream that you're feeding data into and out of, or are you getting it from somewhere`
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`20:53.50`	`Tem`	`Shirik\|AFK: MemoryStream is System.IO.MemoryStream`
`20:53.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, wasn't trying to put words in your mouth anyway ;)`
`20:53.58`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`yeah I mean but where is the data coming from`
`20:54.02`	`Tem`	`It's just a stream that I'm feeding data into and out of`
`20:54.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`Kirov, i dont think i have ever done that`
`20:54.06`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`ok`
`20:54.42`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`might you have a small bit of sample code, or is it deeply integrated?`
`20:55.15`	`Tem`	`I can pastey the gist of it`
`20:55.18`	`Tem`	`but it's pretty integrated`
`20:55.24`	`Tem`	`gimme a sec`
`20:57.20`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Tem: Can you inject a tiny bit of code`
`20:57.30`	`\|pez\|`	`I feel really sick rightnow. But yes, my addon idea was a rather complex guild addon thing.`
`20:57.30`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`pull out the first three bytes of the stream just to make sure`
`20:57.32`	`Maldivia`	`*heh`
`20:57.48`	`Lonny`	`Tem: it's usually encoding problem, or scheme if you use one.`
`20:57.56`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`The most common cause I'm seeing of this is the BOM. Given that you're feeding this in yourself, I don't think that's the case`
`20:58.01`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`but it can't hurt to double check`
`20:58.25`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`apparently XmlReader doesn't understand a UTF BOM`
`21:00.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`wow, $2500 for a 5 day mysql training seminar`
`21:01.36`	`Tem`	`XmlReader doesn't understand UTF-8?`
`21:01.44`	`Tem`	`I'm explicitly writing it to that ><`
`21:01.58`	`Tem`	`http://tardmrr.pastey.net/93230`
`21:02.08`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Tem: That's what I'm seeing here`
`21:02.15`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`well, it might understand UTF-8`
`21:02.19`	`Tem`	`lol, lemme try telling it to use acii`
`21:02.20`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`but it doesn't understand the BOM`
`21:03.16`	`Tem`	`no change`
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`21:07.34`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`hm, ok`
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`21:09.40`	`Unregistered`	`Hey Man im new do someone got World of warcraft i need help with a macro !`
`21:10.22`	`Tem`	`ouch`
`21:11.25`	`Unregistered`	`Can anybody help me with a thing !`
`21:11.26`	`Lunessa`	`Unregistered - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1`
`21:11.33`	`Unregistered`	`ty`
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`21:11.50`	`Unregistered`	`one thing`
`21:12.00`	`Unregistered`	`does anybody know something about wow`
`21:12.04`	`Unregistered`	`cause i want a`
`21:12.13`	`Unregistered`	`think thats following and Attacking same target then i do`
`21:12.26`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Tem: Could you try something like this? (In C++.NET, you'll have to translate) http://wowi.pastey.net/93234`
`21:12.35`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Put that immediately before you try to parse`
`21:12.40`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`just so we can see exactly what's going in`
`21:12.44`	`\|pez\|`	`Unregistered: you want a thing that follows you and attacks the same target as you do?`
`21:12.53`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`or is it really long?`
`21:12.57`	`Unregistered`	`yes`
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`21:13.10`	`\|pez\|`	`Unregistered: Warlock or Hunter is the class for you then. :P`
`21:13.22`	`Unregistered`	`warlock`
`21:13.45`	`schnoggo`	`uh - you want your pet to attack your target?`
`21:13.50`	`Okiesmokie`	`Is there some kind of event that is fired when someone/something targets you, or is there any way to tell when that happens?`
`21:13.51`	`Unregistered`	`omg`
`21:14.01`	`Unregistered`	`haha`
`21:14.02`	`Unregistered`	`bye bye`
`21:14.03`	`Unregistered`	`i got it`
`21:14.05`	`Unregistered`	`my friend found it`
`21:14.07`	`\|pez\|`	`-_-'`
`21:14.10`	`schnoggo`	`heh`
`21:14.49`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Okiesmokie: No. In fact, there is no real way for you to know someone's targetting you at all`
`21:14.58`	`Kirov`	`I feel somehow drawn to say`
`21:14.58`	`Kirov`	`kthxbye`
`21:15.00`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`you can only find out someone's targetting you by spanning your target tree`
`21:15.06`	`Tem`	`Shirik\|AFK: I have the c# equivilant to that already`
`21:15.10`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`oh`
`21:15.11`	`Tem`	`it spits out what I expect it to`
`21:15.16`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`huh.`
`21:15.21`	`Tem`	`however, Iriel brought up a good point`
`21:15.26`	`Tem`	`I'm gonna try it in a second`
`21:15.43`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`oh wait`
`21:15.53`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`the exception is thrown at r.LoadLayout()?`
`21:16.00`	`Fisker-`	`herr Shirik`
`21:17.13`	`erikd`	`shirik: does the ^ essentially replace * in c++.net?`
`21:17.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`Fisker-: capitalize that or stop butchering other people's languages :p`
`21:17.23`	`erikd`	`i've never seen that before`
`21:17.38`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`erikd: Kinda`
`21:17.48`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`it means "handle to an object on the GC heap"`
`21:18.13`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`which I guess is essentially the same as a pointer`
`21:18.36`	`erikd`	`so you don't have to take care of deleting yourself?`
`21:19.03`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`correct, that's a fundamental feature of .NET`
`21:19.11`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`You would do something like`
`21:19.21`	`Lonny`	`you do have to dispose however, it depends what you're doing.`
`21:19.25`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`System::String ^str = gcnew System::String(...)`
`21:20.04`	`Tem`	`Shirik\|AFK: yes, the exception is on r.LoadLayout(s)`
`21:20.14`	`Tem`	`(I don't have access to the code of LoadLayout)`
`21:20.28`	`erikd`	`is it still possible to do something like: Object *obj = &obj2;`
`21:20.54`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`that seems a bit odd to me, Tem`
`21:21.02`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`erikd: Only in non-pure code (I've never written pure code)`
`21:21.03`	`erikd`	`i've just done c# where everything is pretty much a pointer :)`
`21:21.16`	`Lonny`	`Can't you use Reflector Tem ?`
`21:21.22`	`Okiesmokie`	`unsafe { Object *obj = &obj2; } :P`
`21:21.46`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`The compiler has to create native code to do that`
`21:21.52`	`erikd`	`how would you do Object ^obj = (&)obj2; ?`
`21:21.53`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`so it can't be done in raw .NET`
`21:22.09`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`erikd: That question doesn't really make much sense`
`21:22.18`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`you can't have a System::String, for example`
`21:22.21`	`Okiesmokie`	`Shirik\|AFK: You also have to compile with /unsafe`
`21:22.22`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`only a System::String^`
`21:22.29`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Okiesmokie: No you don't`
`21:22.35`	`erikd`	`ah`
`21:22.37`	`Okiesmokie`	`To use pointers in C#?`
`21:22.41`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`No, in C++`
`21:22.54`	`Okiesmokie`	`Oh, you're talking about C++/CLI?`
`21:22.56`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`yes`
`21:23.00`	`Okiesmokie`	`My bad`
`21:23.13`	`ckknight`	`anyone here that is a WoW addon author want a WAR beta key with the intent of playing with its API and such?`
`21:23.14`	`erikd`	`so you really can't have an object that's not a pointer to an object on the gc heap?`
`21:23.39`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`erikd: You can't have a gc-able object that's not on the GC heap`
`21:23.44`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`so basically... here let me find some code for you`
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`21:24.10`	`Maldivia`	`hmm... do the UNIT_SPELLCAST_ events have a counter at the end now?`
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`21:24.30`	`erikd`	`i was going to force myself to get back into c++ but c#/VS has corrupted me so much that I got lost when I didn't have intellisense`
`21:24.46`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`There's intellisense for C++ :)`
`21:25.01`	`PProvost`	`Good Intellicrack is the single biggest selling point of VS`
`21:28.04`	`erikd`	`well, i tried doing a non managed project and when i started typing something to mess around i didn't get anything :)`
`21:28.52`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`sorry it took me so long to get this sample code`
`21:28.58`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`comes from a kinda locked down server, heh`
`21:29.13`	`erikd`	`can you do dx stuff in c++.net or do you have to do it unmanaged? that's mainly what i was looking at doing`
`21:29.19`	`Fisker-`	`that way i win the game`
`21:29.29`	`Lonny`	`erikd, Yeah you can.`
`21:30.19`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`erikd, interestingly enough, this stuff uses DirectShow :) http://wowi.pastey.net/93237-3idd`
`21:30.26`	`Lonny`	`And you can always use P/Invoke so it's not a problem.`
`21:30.33`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`^ sample code from a C++.NET`
`21:30.44`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`you'll notice line 31 says "ref class" instead of "class"`
`21:31.06`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`that makes it a GC-able object, which has the benefit of allowing you to make a CameraCallback^ but the penalty is that you can no longer make a CameraCallback`
`21:31.17`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`all instances of CameraCallback must be on the GC heap`
`21:32.19`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`thus you will notice, for example, at line 61`
`21:32.23`	`Ackis`	`so I'm trying to add new tabs under the merchant frame but things are going POOF on me`
`21:32.25`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`all my HRPoint objects are HRPoint^`
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`21:32.53`	`Ackis`	`the tabs aren't appearing correctly (the will appear if I copy/paste code) and they aren't long enough to meet the text http://wowi.pastey.net/93238`
`21:33.01`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`at line 142, erikd, you'll see the typical way of instantiating an object on the GC heap`
`21:33.13`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`(though a bit of a mess due to that constructor)`
`21:33.21`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`C++.NET delegates are such a PITA`
`21:33.44`	`ReAn`	`this is why i love C#`
`21:33.48`	`ReAn`	`easy everything!`
`21:33.50`	`ReAn`	`:D`
`21:33.51`	`leethal`	`coming from xcodes awesomeness with Interface Builder - has anyone ever made something similar for WoW interfaces?`
`21:34.17`	`leethal`	`as in, a gui toolkit for creating views, as a healthier alternative to XML situps =P`
`21:34.58`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`but you will see, erikd, on line 106 it is very possible to use the native features of C++ as well (in that line, both pointer-to-member and pointer-to-object)`
`21:35.21`	`erikd`	`yeah, i noticed that`
`21:35.34`	`erikd`	`with that you still have to be sure to clean up after yourself, i assume?`
`21:35.39`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`right`
`21:35.41`	`Lonny`	`ReAn I wouldn't say it's easy, the syntax is just more readable, But than again MC++ is more of extension to C++ than a language.`
`21:35.56`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`MC++ is just trying to get C++ to work with CLI`
`21:36.03`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`and given that C++ does not agree with a lot of things CLI has`
`21:36.08`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`that made it a bit ugly`
`21:36.13`	`Lonny`	`Yup hence the syntax`
`21:36.17`	`ReAn`	`true enough Lonny`
`21:36.26`	`Maldivia`	`Ackis: long enough - as in not wide enough, so the text appears with ... ?`
`21:37.00`	`erikd`	`i don't see where you dispose or remove the references to the gc objects`
`21:37.03`	`Ackis`	`Malgayne: the text appears but the tab texture behind it doesn't cover the text`
`21:37.20`	`Malgayne`	`hehe--try again`
`21:37.41`	`Ackis`	`wow fail I do`
`21:37.42`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`but thing is, erikd, you can only get pointers (that is, *) to objects on the non-GC heap or on the stack. The only way that can be done is if the object is not a GC-able object. Thus, it must be built-in (like int) or be defined without "ref"`
`21:37.51`	`Ackis`	`s/malgayne/maldivia/`
`21:37.52`	`Lonny`	`VB.Net syntax is far more unreadable ... try to use LINQ and see >.<`
`21:37.52`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`so instead of "ref class" just the old-style "class"`
`21:37.58`	`Malgayne`	`:P`
`21:37.59`	`Maldivia`	`Ackis: when using the XML templates, remember to give your frames a name`
`21:38.09`	`Maldivia`	`Ackis: a lot of the code relies on it`
`21:38.27`	`Ackis`	`Maldivia: yah I'm just trying that right now actually, it's still failing for me`
`21:39.12`	`Ackis`	`and victory :)`
`21:39.20`	`Ackis`	`however the tabs are still too small`
`21:39.27`	`erikd`	`shirik: right, someone mentioned you still had to dispose some objects on the gc heap`
`21:39.33`	`Fisker-`	`Ackis`
`21:39.36`	`Fisker-`	`i r winrar`
`21:39.38`	`Fisker-`	`u r fail`
`21:39.54`	`Ackis`	`I love you Fisker-`
`21:39.58`	`Maldivia`	`Ackis: you should not parent them to the previous button, but to the frame instead`
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`21:42.41`	`Fisker-`	`yeah but i'm killing you Ackis`
`21:42.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765606868&sid=2000#3`
`21:42.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Can anyone make sense of that?`
`21:42.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`At all?`
`21:43.10`	`Ackis`	`NO U`
`21:43.11`	`Lonny`	`erikd, Well, objects that you dispose, mainly being disposed due to unmanaged resources internally (DB, File System, Communication, etc ..), and out of scope references, common when using delegates.`
`21:44.01`	`Dashkal`	`ScytheBlade1: blinks Methinks he isn't entirely clear on DI`
`21:44.05`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`erikd: That's a... complicated statement`
`21:44.14`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`and rather difficult to explain`
`21:44.33`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`there's some articles about it floating around`
`21:44.46`	`erikd`	`can it be simplified by saying those references are the same as disposing in c#? :)`
`21:44.53`	`erikd`	`i'm familiar with that`
`21:46.00`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Well, it comes from the IDisposable interface which is way up the hierarchy of the classes`
`21:46.15`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`99% of classes with it do nothing with Dispose() anyway`
`21:46.52`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`now it does turn out that the .NET manager will eventually call Dispose for you`
`21:46.58`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`eventually`
`21:47.36`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`The biggest issue is that there's no guarantee on when; so if the Dispose() releases some sort of lock`
`21:47.43`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`you might hold that lock until your program exits`
`21:48.10`	`Lonny`	`Not really Shirik, there is no manager that will call dispose for you, hmm ..`
`21:48.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Dashkal: it just reads like a massive block of text to me. Or, rather, it doesn't "read" at all`
`21:48.43`	`Dashkal`	`I read it. dude was just rambling`
`21:48.45`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`oh I'm sorry, I'm thinking of Finalize()`
`21:49.12`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I should point out that I hate CLR and any automated form of memory management`
`21:50.00`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`anyway, I need to go grab something to eat before raid`
`21:50.03`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`not sure where to go though`
`21:50.03`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`hm`
`21:50.14`	`erikd`	`quiznos`
`21:50.32`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`not a clue where that might be`
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`21:50.47`	`erikd`	`noodles!`
`21:50.53`	`erikd`	`i had that for lunch`
`21:51.59`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I'm thinking about going to Panera again`
`21:52.03`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`but I've eaten there so much lately`
`21:52.11`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`I might go to chickfila too`
`21:52.20`	`Fisker-`	`my friend`
`21:52.33`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`give me food Fisker-`
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`21:54.23`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`rofl`
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`21:54.45`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`Email from barnes and noble was blocked by anti-spam system. Reason: Explicit`
`21:54.47`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`wtf?`
`21:54.55`	`Lunessa`	`damn it guys... You're making me hungry.`
`21:55.08`	`Kraps`	`so, is blizzard losing money/`
`21:55.15`	`Fisker-`	`doubtful`
`21:55.22`	`Shirik\|AFK`	`what kind of question is that Kraps?`
`21:55.32`	`Fisker-`	`a stupid one?`
`21:55.57`	Lonny`afk	`haha :P`
`21:55.57`	`Kraps`	`the referral program gives off that vibe`
`21:56.15`	`Fisker-`	`All whine, no action`
`21:56.28`	`Kraps`	`what`
`21:56.37`	`Fisker-`	`Like anyone will seriously stop playing a game they like because of some raf-stuff`
`21:56.51`	`Fisker-`	`"OH TEH NOS I NOT HAS MOUNT NOW THIS GAME IS BAD"`
`21:57.01`	`Kraps`	`lol`
`21:57.06`	`Dashkal`	`Not the mount, it's the triple-xp that pisses most people off`
`21:57.22`	`Kraps`	`i'm totaly not like that`
`21:57.37`	`Fisker-`	`Dashkal substitute mount for triple-xp then`
`21:57.37`	`PProvost`	`Let's see... >10M subscribers @ $14 each per month is pretty good money`
`21:57.49`	`Dashkal`	`actually, I think it's too much myself. Perma-rest would be better`
`21:57.56`	`Fisker-`	`Well that aint entirely true PProvost :P`
`21:58.03`	`Kraps`	`still dont get why people are pissed about lvl 30 mounts`
`21:58.10`	`PProvost`	`Nah, but close enough for hand grenades`
`21:58.28`	`Dashkal`	`Anything that makes anything easier offends those who do not believe a game is worth playing unless it's near impossible`
`21:58.41`	`Fisker-`	`The only thing that annoys me is that unlike the US the EU RAF program only covers a handful of countries`
`21:58.49`	`Fisker-`	`But nothing Blizzard can do about that :P`
`21:58.50`	`PProvost`	`Anything that makes something easier for those who come after, annoys the people who had to do it the hard way.`
`21:59.07`	Lonny`afk	`True, we need to play WoW the hardcore way with hammers or whatever not :P`
`21:59.08`	`Dashkal`	`s/the/some of the/`
`21:59.21`	`Fisker-`	`Dashkal then that is a problem for the new recruit, and not the player already playing`
`21:59.23`	`Dashkal`	`I'm not bothered in the slightest that people who play now level to 70 quicker and get a mount sooner`
`21:59.27`	`Kraps`	`blacksmith hammers`
`21:59.37`	Lonny`	`:D`
`21:59.37`	`PProvost`	`Skinning Knives`
`21:59.42`	`\|pez\|`	`lvl 30 mounta? 0.o`
`21:59.48`	`Dashkal`	`If anything I get the bragging rights of "Oh yeah? I did it the hard way"`
`21:59.52`	`Fisker-`	`WoW: Hardcore mode`
`21:59.55`	`Kraps`	`heh`
`21:59.57`	`Fisker-`	`everything sells for 1c`
`22:00.00`	`Fisker-`	`10 times the costs`
`22:00.06`	`PProvost`	`Naked Arena!`
`22:00.07`	`Fisker-`	`experience gain halved, no rest exp`
`22:00.09`	`Kraps`	`lol`
`22:00.12`	`Fisker-`	`dungeons disabled`
`22:00.30`	`Kraps`	`2 xp per kill`
`22:00.55`	`Fisker-`	`all mobs start as "grey"`
`22:02.37`	`Kirov`	`Number of players >10M. Number that use the forums <100k. Number of those who complain about leaving the game because of a mundane issue <1k. Number of those who actually quit the game because of those issues <10.`
`22:02.59`	`Kraps`	`Unfortunately though, every single aspect of it sounds custom-tailored for abuse by third-party RMT sites selling power-leveling services.`
`22:03.02`	`Kraps`	`qft`
`22:03.22`	`Kraps`	`regarding RAF`
`22:03.33`	`\|pez\|`	`what are the deal with the lvl 30 mounts?`
`22:03.38`	`\|pez\|`	`40 mounts moved downwards?`
`22:03.43`	`\|pez\|`	`or is there something new and shiny?`
`22:03.43`	`Dashkal`	`\|pez\|: yes`
`22:03.52`	`Fisker-`	`i'd be rich if i got compensated for every time blizzard nerfed something`
`22:04.18`	`Fisker-`	`My undead rogue had all 4 factions mounts before they nerfed the money requirements`
`22:04.25`	`Kraps`	`lol`
`22:04.47`	`Fisker-`	`well that isn't really rich by todays standards though :P`
`22:04.48`	`Kraps`	`dont see the point though. i like my horse`
`22:04.56`	`\|pez\|`	`ohwell, maybe I'll actually take the time and level some of my older characters. :P`
`22:05.03`	`Kirov`	`Imagine if to get to lvl 70 today you'd have to play through Molten Core and Blackwing Lair to get enough gear to even get past the gate in to Outlands.`
`22:05.07`	`Kirov`	`It'd be like EQ`
`22:05.11`	`batrick`	`so`
`22:05.14`	`batrick`	`that triple exp thing`
`22:05.24`	`batrick`	`my friend and his gf have hit 25 in like 5 hours work`
`22:05.30`	`batrick`	`rediiiiculous`
`22:05.34`	`Fisker-`	`it's ruining our gameplay, roleplaying, and trolling experience`
`22:05.39`	`Kraps`	`lol`
`22:06.22`	`End`	`lol, prot warrior in this bg with me`
`22:06.29`	`Kirov`	`It's severly limiting my ganking time!`
`22:07.03`	`Kirov`	`I can't sit as a level 70 rogue in stv ganking lowbies as easily now because they level too fast!`
`22:07.07`	Lonny`	`What's wrong, at least he get the chance to tank some players oh wait ..`
`22:07.15`	`Kraps`	`Kirov: what faction are you`
`22:07.30`	`End`	`well, I could leave and then he could tank`
`22:07.31`	`Dashkal`	`roleplaying, eh? I'd love to see a RP reason why you must be level anything before you're capable of learning to ride a horse`
`22:07.37`	`End`	`as it stands, I'm more likely to get attacked`
`22:07.39`	`Kirov`	`Kraps - I'm alliance, and my rogue is actually lvl 42`
`22:07.45`	`Kirov`	`heh`
`22:07.56`	`Kraps`	`keep ganking!`
`22:08.16`	`Industrial`	`I killed L40 players on my lock as L30`
`22:08.18`	`Industrial`	`in stv`
`22:08.25`	`Industrial`	`stv was waaaaay too fun`
`22:08.25`	`End`	`gg fear?`
`22:08.26`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`22:08.29`	`Industrial`	`yes lol`
`22:08.31`	`Kraps`	`locks are OP, duh`
`22:08.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh, http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/currently_wheatpasted_to_a_building_acro`
`22:08.34`	`End`	`yeah`
`22:08.40`	`Industrial`	`well I did it on my druid too`
`22:08.55`	`Industrial`	`and 40-50 on ym shaman >:D`
`22:09.01`	`Industrial`	`LOLWF`
`22:09.09`	`Kraps`	`heals are OP p`
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`22:09.41`	`End`	`oh wow, they did attack the prot warrior first`
`22:09.48`	`Kraps`	`warriors need more kick`
`22:10.14`	`Kraps`	`<----- 56 arms warrior main`
`22:13.34`	`Kraps`	`"Even faster! Fer feck's sake they already made the 1 till 60 bracket like very easy to get through, before that you had to kill and quest alot more to get to 60 and now 3 times as fast if you recruit another one? plus when you rest a section of 2 times as fast?. The game is becomming a tad too easy."`
`22:13.53`	`Kraps`	`this is bullcrap`
`22:14.20`	`foxlit`	`grrr`
`22:14.22`	`Diao`	`my friend got from level 46 to 57`
`22:14.25`	`Diao`	`in 2 hours /played`
`22:14.25`	`foxlit`	`I need to forward a click`
`22:14.32`	`foxlit`	`and I don't think I can do it :(`
`22:14.43`	`cbreak`	`I so hate leveling my warrior.`
`22:14.54`	`Kraps`	`Diao: was it his first`
`22:14.55`	`cbreak`	`Every time I play her, I want to delete her.`
`22:15.31`	`Mery`	`what do all people have with "easy" you miss so many things if you just rush through the game`
`22:15.32`	`Kraps`	`cbreak: whats yor spec`
`22:16.06`	`cbreak`	`sort of... fury? I think it's just that my gear sucks, and that I am so used my mage's overpowerdness that a warrior is too different.`
`22:17.13`	`Kraps`	`quite possible, i have a mage alt, so relaxed to play it`
`22:17.32`	`Kraps`	`relaxing, rather`
`22:18.08`	Lonny`	`Well casting Frostbolts is really calming :P`
`22:18.22`	`End`	`too calming!`
`22:18.59`	`End`	`I told myself, I'm not gonna raid on my mage, I don't want to spam the same button all day long`
`22:19.02`	`End`	`now I spam shadowbolt`
`22:19.09`	Lonny`	`haha`
`22:19.16`	`End`	`:(`
`22:20.27`	`Diao`	`no, not his first Kraps`
`22:20.30`	`Diao`	`he's got a couple 70s already`
`22:20.31`	Lonny`	`Well same with my hunter, join the arena, spam Viper Sting, it's fun...`
`22:20.44`	`Kraps`	`i want to lvl a shadow priest too, but the food/mana thing is anoyinh`
`22:21.19`	`Kraps`	`Diao: thats why he was quick`
`22:22.02`	`erikd`	`i have 5 70's and i don't think i could do 46-57 in 2 hours`
`22:22.03`	`Kraps`	`newbs like me need time`
`22:22.15`	`Diao`	`with triple xp erikd`
`22:22.22`	`erikd`	`oh`
`22:22.24`	`Diao`	`30k xp from a level 48 quest`
`22:22.28`	`Diao`	`that takes 5 min to complete`
`22:22.29`	`End`	`well, you can't exactly spam viper sting because it has a cooldown...I'm willing to believe its your most important ability most of the time in arena though`
`22:22.31`	`Diao`	`1/4 of a level`
`22:22.42`	`Diao`	`in 5 min..`
`22:22.57`	`erikd`	`i thought that was standard leveling`
`22:23.06`	`End`	`it's crazy it affects quest exp`
`22:23.09`	`erikd`	`looks like i need to get a friend account to level my priest :)`
`22:23.13`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`22:23.14`	`End`	`that's why rested isn't too crazy`
`22:23.16`	`Diao`	`it's potentially possible`
`22:23.24`	`Diao`	`to get 3 level 70s in the time it takes to level 1 normally`
`22:23.50`	`Diao`	`with the triple xp`
`22:24.06`	`Diao`	`or less than 1 normally rather`
`22:24.14`	`Ackis`	`anyway to send a gm a tell that sent you a tell but you reloaded your UI before responding?`
`22:24.31`	`Diao`	`have a chatlog that stored the gm's name?`
`22:24.40`	`Ackis`	`yah about htat... heh`
`22:24.52`	`erikd`	`ackis: they should probably send you another message when you don't respond for awhile`
`22:24.57`	`erikd`	`before they close the ticket`
`22:25.13`	`Ackis`	`k, I said something in say because I thought they watched you`
`22:25.30`	`erikd`	`the typical "is there anything else i can help you with?" before they close it`
`22:26.11`	`Ackis`	`eh maybe he just did it?`
`22:26.16`	`Ackis`	`got an e-mail Since we have made repeated restorations of virtual property to this account in the past, it is very likely that future requests to reverse losses will be denied.`
`22:26.23`	`erikd`	`i don't think they do, i was talking to a gm while in av on monday and they thought i didn't like their joke because i didn't respond but i was too busy getting stunlocked by 5 horde to respond :)`
`22:26.31`	`Ackis`	`lol wtf? their item expired from the mailbox so it counts as a restoration? :P`
`22:26.39`	`Diao`	`lol`
`22:27.19`	`erikd`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557372617&sid=1`
`22:27.26`	`erikd`	`that used up one of my restores`
`22:27.29`	`erikd`	`=/`
`22:27.47`	`Diao`	`btw, what's considered a restore? just if you deleted/DEd/sold an item and get it back?`
`22:27.50`	`Diao`	`or character`
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`22:28.49`	`erikd`	`probably anything where they give you an item`
`22:29.30`	`Diao`	`hmm`
`22:29.31`	`Diao`	`well`
`22:29.40`	`Ackis`	`they need to update their restore policy and let items tag back on`
`22:29.41`	`Diao`	`i guess item transfers (misloot from raid) don't count as restores?`
`22:30.11`	`erikd`	`that bug that i linked counted as a restore and i lost 2 pyrestones and 2 fel armaments from it`
`22:31.52`	`Icecoldcoke`	`Diao: Misloots do count as restores.`
`22:32.11`	`Diao`	`oh/`
`22:32.21`	`Diao`	`isn't there a limit on restores?`
`22:32.24`	`Icecoldcoke`	`Yes`
`22:32.41`	`Diao`	`then how come i've been able to transfer 10+ items through misloot in the past 20 months :o`
`22:32.53`	`Diao`	`unless the limit is some arbitrarily high number..`
`22:32.59`	`erikd`	`i had to use 2 restores because people were out of range for trash loot in hyjal at the horde camp ><`
`22:33.01`	`Icecoldcoke`	`They've never said the limit before`
`22:33.22`	`Diao`	`yeah erikd we did that with like 6 items in the past couple months`
`22:33.29`	`Diao`	`never had a GM tell me no yet`
`22:33.45`	`Icecoldcoke`	`And if the master looter makes the mistake and loots it to the wrong person, then the person that got the loot gets the restore point taken away from them`
`22:34.01`	`Icecoldcoke`	`It doesn't really make sense..`
`22:34.36`	`erikd`	`yeah, they told me it counted as a restore and asked if i was sure we wanted it and they did it`
`22:34.55`	`erikd`	`and then that same item dropped the next week (both times)`
`22:35.00`	`Diao`	`lol`
`22:35.03`	`Diao`	`when gms do it for me`
`22:35.10`	`Diao`	`they just say "so you would like this item transferred to this person?"`
`22:35.11`	`Diao`	`"yes"`
`22:35.17`	`Diao`	`"okay, please delete the item from your inventory"`
`22:35.27`	`Diao`	`nothing about it counting as a restore`
`22:35.53`	`Icecoldcoke`	`Odd.`
`22:35.58`	`erikd`	`they probably did it automatically for me because they did it when i was offline`
`22:36.24`	`Icecoldcoke`	`I had a quest item restored before because the quest bugged.. and that counted as a restore for me. :/`
`22:36.37`	`Shirik`	`I hate this whole "There is a limit on restores" thing`
`22:36.44`	`Shirik`	`I honestly don't think it's true`
`22:36.51`	`Icecoldcoke`	`I think it is.`
`22:37.02`	`Icecoldcoke`	`People in my guild have been denied restorations because they passed the limit.`
`22:37.07`	`Shirik`	`I'm fairly convinced that they just say this to stop you from abusing it, and they have the right to say "ok you've done it too many times"`
`22:37.08`	`Diao`	`could be dependent on the GM`
`22:37.10`	`Shirik`	`sure, that's what they were told`
`22:37.14`	`Shirik`	`I don't think there's an actual number`
`22:37.17`	`Icecoldcoke`	`Yeah`
`22:37.19`	`Shirik`	`I'm convinced it's just subjective`
`22:37.21`	`erikd`	`i almost had them restore that one quest item from eranikus in ST a couple years ago because someone told me it was required for the emerald dream :P`
`22:37.32`	`erikd`	`i agree shirik`
`22:37.57`	`erikd`	`it's just something they say so they can shut down abusers and say you were warned if you complain`
`22:38.18`	`Icecoldcoke`	`Most likely`
`22:38.37`	`erikd`	`i used that argument on a client a couple weeks back...`
`22:39.18`	`erikd`	`client: "we don't want clients to have to enter email addresses during the check out process", me: "ok but then you'll have no way of contacting them", client: "ok!"`
`22:39.38`	`erikd`	`2 weeks after the project launched; client: "WE NEED A WAY TO CONTACT THE GUEST ORDERS!"`
`22:39.59`	`Shirik`	`does anyone know of a good "nm" utility for Windows?`
`22:40.03`	`erikd`	`sorry, i warned you when you asked for it. you'll have to wait until i have time since i'm on another project`
`22:40.04`	`Shirik`	`that doesn't use cygwin`
`22:40.11`	`erikd`	`what's nm do?`
`22:40.22`	`Shirik`	`list symbols in an executable`
`22:41.30`	`erikd`	`never had to find that =/`
`22:41.52`	`erikd`	`i assume it's unmanaged?`
`22:42.19`	`Shirik`	`like this: http://wowi.pastey.net/93241`
`22:42.27`	`Shirik`	`Yes :) This is not actually a windows application I'm writing`
`22:42.33`	`Shirik`	`it's for QNX`
`22:42.42`	`erikd`	`ah`
`22:43.37`	`erikd`	`does QNX use ELF binaries?`
`22:43.39`	`Josh_Borke`	`~cheer shirik`
`22:43.40`	`purl`	`ACTION cheers shirik on`
`22:43.42`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`22:43.52`	`Josh_Borke`	`yay for qnx`
`22:43.55`	`Josh_Borke`	`though, may i ask why?`
`22:44.08`	`Shirik`	`it's for a robot that we work on each year`
`22:44.12`	`Shirik`	`definitely real-time system`
`22:44.32`	`Shirik`	`and QNX is free :P`
`22:44.44`	`Shirik`	`I've also been rather impressed with it in the last few months I've played with it`
`22:44.50`	`Shirik`	`so this year we decided to use it all the way`
`22:46.03`	`Shirik`	`http://www.sec09.com/content/Hardware_Rules`
`22:47.15`	`erikd`	`maybe you should give up on symbols and just read up on new mexico instead, it'd be a lot easier`
`22:47.36`	`Shirik`	`haha`
`22:47.39`	`Shirik`	`that's what google told me too`
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`22:48.15`	`erikd`	`what if you opened the binary in a hex editor?`
`22:49.07`	`Shirik`	`I wouldn't know how to read it :P`
`22:49.14`	`Shirik`	`it's easier to go into cygwin and run nm :P`
`22:49.21`	`Shirik`	`However, I can't use cygwin because it interrupts my compiler`
`22:49.31`	`Shirik`	`if I have cygwin while trying to compile I get this`
`22:50.03`	`Shirik`	`make -j 1 -Cdll-g -fMakefile all`
`22:50.04`	`Shirik`	`3 [main] ? (4252) C:\PROGRA~2\QNX632\host\win32\x86\usr\bin\canonical_dos_path.exe: *** fatal error - system shared memory version mismatch detected - 0x8A88009C/0x2D1E009C.`
`22:50.04`	`Shirik`	`This problem is probably due to using incompatible versions of the cygwin DLL. Search for cygwin1.dll using the Windows Start->Find/Search facility and delete all but the most recent version. The most recent version should reside in x:\cygwin\bin, where 'x' is the drive on which you have installed the cygwin distribution. Rebooting is also suggested if you are unable to find another cygwin DLL.`
`22:50.11`	`Shirik`	`And I don't feel like trying to fix that :P`
`22:50.51`	`Dashkal`	`Start the lil windows putty dog searching for cygwin.dll and just delete all of them sans the one it mentions when it's done?`
`22:50.54`	`Dashkal`	`puppy*`
`22:50.59`	`erikd`	`you could... set up a virtualbox vm with linux and a shared folder where you put the binary. then run nm natively on linux while you compile. problem solved!`
`22:51.26`	`Shirik`	`I really probably should just top cross compiling`
`22:51.46`	`erikd`	`or do it on linux in the first place :)`
`22:53.46`	`Shirik`	`wtf!`
`22:53.50`	`Shirik`	`They made the robots easy mode this year`
`22:54.03`	`Shirik`	`6. The robot is not required to return to any specific zone by the end of the time period.`
`22:54.05`	`Shirik`	`That's boring`
`22:54.15`	`Shirik`	`one of the hardest parts of last year's competition was that we have to return home`
`22:55.10`	`erikd`	`so do you have the same mechanical base you reuse every year and you just reprogram it or do you start from scratch?`
`22:55.25`	`Pneumatus`	`anyone fancy hazarding a guess at wth FuBar_HonorFuPlus is doing to my tooltips: http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fubaredyd8.jpg`
`22:55.40`	`Pneumatus`	`i can't for the life of me work out why its messing with the wrapping :<`
`22:55.55`	`foxlit`	`eh`
`22:55.59`	`foxlit`	`\|t is evil`
`22:56.19`	`foxlit`	`It's not affected properly by UI scaling`
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`22:56.45`	`Pneumatus`	`it works fine, except with honorfuplus though`
`22:57.07`	`Shirik`	`erikd: We do have the same base, but we will probably scrap it`
`22:57.19`	`Shirik`	`it's not worth trying to rework it`
`22:58.21`	`erikd`	`how much does it cost to build?`
`22:58.45`	`erikd`	`(i have way too many interests and projects and things i'd want to get involved in, btw)`
`22:58.52`	`erikd`	`i need more hours in the day`
`22:58.54`	`Pneumatus`	`ooh, thats interesting`
`22:58.59`	`Pneumatus`	`i may have found the problem!`
`22:59.27`	`Shirik`	`erikd: Last year was approximately $4000 or so`
`22:59.38`	`Shirik`	`the bot itself in parts was around $2000`
`22:59.48`	`Shirik`	`then there was testing, blowing things up, etc.`
`23:00.03`	`Diao`	`there's an honorfuplus`
`23:00.04`	`Diao`	`?`
`23:00.27`	`Shirik`	`for example`
`23:00.37`	`Pneumatus`	`Diao: yup`
`23:00.52`	`Shirik`	`http://erau-ieee.cold-coding.com/?page=images&pic=54`
`23:00.56`	`Shirik`	`(Yes, I'm "Matt")`
`23:01.46`	`[dRaCo]`	`Hi Matt`
`23:02.00`	`Pneumatus`	`and it seems teh "Show kills and deaths" option is causing the tooltips to get messed with...`
`23:02.57`	`erikd`	`haha, i like the caption`
`23:04.12`	`Shirik`	`I did find the mistake approximately 5 minutes later`
`23:04.24`	`Shirik`	`infinite current is always fun`
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`23:08.26`	`Pneumatus`	`amagad, this is annoying... for some reason, when HonorFuPlus puts "\|\|" into its output table (to display on fubar) it messes with tooltips...`
`23:11.36`	`End`	`wtf, another prot warrior in AB`
`23:12.37`	`[dRaCo]`	`prot pvp is fun`
`23:12.51`	`Duman`	`it's actually awesome in AB`
`23:12.59`	`Duman`	`I mean, assuming you defend a flag :P`
`23:13.10`	`erikd`	`our old MT swore by prot pvp and he actually beat quite a few people in duels doing it`
`23:13.26`	`Duman`	`you'll generally stay alive a lot longer, and give your team a considerable amount of time to send reinforcements`
`23:13.32`	`[dRaCo]`	`I duelled our MT in block stuff`
`23:13.49`	`Duman`	`it will be even crazier in WotLK`
`23:13.54`	`*** join/#wowuidev Paene (n=Jim@54-94.candlewood.dynip.msu.edu)`
`23:13.55`	`[dRaCo]`	`I couldn't even do 1 single point of physical damage to him`
`23:14.03`	`[dRaCo]`	`as an enhancement shaman`
`23:14.11`	`*** join/#wowuidev inviso (n=gfortune@146.187.3.34)`
`23:14.14`	`Duman`	`with the str:block conversion going from 20:1 (live) to 2:1`
`23:14.43`	`End`	`yeah, the tank is defending a flag`
`23:14.46`	`End`	`er, prot warrior I mean`
`23:14.50`	`Duman`	`and the new shield block and critical block stuff`
`23:14.57`	`End`	`I'm hiding, and he's standing next to the flag`
`23:15.08`	`End`	`when we get attacked I run out while they beat on him`
`23:15.16`	`End`	`it's awesome`
`23:20.42`	`Sixen`	`hai`
`23:22.19`	`\|Jelly\|`	`Any pally tanks here?`
`23:22.35`	`[dRaCo]`	`I've seen one once.`
`23:23.18`	`Diao`	`i have a prot pally alt..`
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`23:23.44`	`\|Jelly\|`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?tal=0000000000000000000005005133500001525215510520500000000000000000 <-- Check that build?`
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`23:24.35`	`Josh_Borke`	`terrible`
`23:24.36`	`Josh_Borke`	`bb`
`23:24.57`	`Diao`	`erf`
`23:24.58`	`\|Jelly\|`	`:(`
`23:25.00`	`Diao`	`wow official site`
`23:25.12`	`[dRaCo]`	`\|Jelly\|: swap those 5 points from onehanded weapon spec to spell warding and precision`
`23:25.29`	`Diao`	`are you going for raid spec`
`23:25.33`	`Diao`	`or heroics`
`23:25.37`	`Diao`	`no, do not drop 1h weapon spec`
`23:25.38`	`\|Jelly\|`	`5-man atm`
`23:25.41`	`Diao`	`it is the best threat talent`
`23:26.15`	`[dRaCo]`	`3% spell hit is worth more`
`23:26.44`	`Diao`	`for heroics, spell warding is not that great`
`23:26.54`	`[dRaCo]`	`yeah`
`23:26.59`	`Diao`	`but i spec raid spec`
`23:27.02`	`Diao`	`so i drop reckoning completely`
`23:28.55`	`[dRaCo]`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVhxIx0zMgqtVbx maybe`
`23:28.58`	`[dRaCo]`	`3 points left`
`23:30.29`	`[dRaCo]`	`I wonder if PoJ is useful as tank`
`23:31.35`	`Diao`	`it can be.. occasionalyl`
`23:31.41`	`Diao`	`but i just put boar's speed on my boots`
`23:32.18`	`[dRaCo]`	`PoJ is 15%, Boar's Speed is just... 9%?`
`23:33.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`3`
`23:33.56`	`End`	`Boar's Speed is awesome`
`23:34.05`	`End`	`I think 3 is right though`
`23:34.09`	`[dRaCo]`	`of course it is`
`23:34.23`	`[dRaCo]`	`but 15%? even more awesome`
`23:34.32`	`End`	`I can't get 15% though :P`
`23:34.32`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`23:34.40`	`End`	`I'm not a silly pally`
`23:34.40`	`Diao`	`but when you can get spell warding`
`23:34.42`	`Diao`	`and bok`
`23:34.47`	`Diao`	`in replacement for that 6% movemen`
`23:34.50`	`Diao`	`movement*`
`23:34.54`	`Diao`	`i'd rather spend the 3 talent points there`
`23:36.44`	`[dRaCo]`	`good point`
`23:57.58`	`TecnoBrat`	`Does anyone know any logical reason item strings would contain the current level of your character as the last value? Or should I assume its a bug and plan for it to be removed? heh (this is on beta)`
`23:58.59`	`Kirov`	`TecnoBrat - the last number in the itemstring of an item usually contains several bits of random information.`
`23:59.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`link coloring for relative levels`
`23:59.32`	`TecnoBrat`	`well on live, the last number is a unique identifier for certain items .. which exists on beta too`
`23:59.39`	`TecnoBrat`	`link coloring eh`
`23:59.47`	`Kirov`	`Are itemstrings 9 #s now?`
`23:59.52`	`TecnoBrat`	`yep`

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