| 00:00.07 | |pez| | foxlit: it's gonna be ok! |
| 00:00.13 | cbreak | if blizzard would do it, yes |
| 00:00.19 | cbreak | but I doubt they will |
| 00:00.23 | cbreak | no gain for them |
| 00:00.29 | foxlit | Fundamentally, it isn't "nasty" :) |
| 00:00.46 | foxlit | You need a single copy of a string and some library addon that you'll need if you want to share code anyway |
| 00:00.50 | Mery | right they already can update every players interface =P |
| 00:00.50 | cbreak | it's an evil hack :) |
| 00:01.03 | inviso | Do we currently have the ability to modify the code of a mod on disk from within a mod? |
| 00:01.13 | Aiiane | doubtful |
| 00:01.19 | cbreak | you can ammend it |
| 00:01.27 | cbreak | if you write code for it |
| 00:01.29 | foxlit | worst case scenario, you keep <1MB of lua text in memory, which isn't terribly bad. |
| 00:01.51 | inviso | so you'd used saved variables to replace code at runtime? |
| 00:01.53 | cbreak | lua has the nice feature that you can completely rewrite the program on runtime |
| 00:01.56 | Arrowmaster | you can do scary things with LoadString |
| 00:01.58 | cbreak | yes |
| 00:02.04 | Aiiane | at runtime, yes |
| 00:02.12 | inviso | ah |
| 00:02.16 | Aiiane | but I don't believe there's a way to permanently modify the file |
| 00:02.24 | cbreak | indeed. |
| 00:02.27 | inviso | so yeah, I like the evil hack comment earlier ;) |
| 00:02.46 | Xinhuan | you just need a string, and have a stub to loadstring that string... the stub can be used to determine versions and security and update that string ;p |
| 00:03.17 | Xinhuan | and that string is of course, a SV |
| 00:03.24 | cbreak | you'd need something like RSA for signing |
| 00:03.37 | Industrial | keep the whole addon in a sv, make it stransferrable over a chat channel poof insta cross channel full interface :p cept textures/sound... |
| 00:04.00 | cbreak | not that insta. |
| 00:04.06 | cbreak | there's a flood protection :) |
| 00:04.14 | foxlit | torrent |
| 00:04.16 | foxlit | torrent |
| 00:04.18 | foxlit | er. |
| 00:04.23 | foxlit | That's the right repeat! :) |
| 00:04.24 | cbreak | nice idea. |
| 00:04.32 | Xinhuan | of course, writing that stub that manages the string/security/encryption/distribution/updates is a huge challenge ;p |
| 00:04.41 | Industrial | guilds demanding you use their shit |
| 00:04.49 | Industrial | nazi regimes incoming! |
| 00:04.54 | bleeter | martian poo? |
| 00:05.01 | Xinhuan | a decent sized guild can easily "torrent" parts of the string together lol |
| 00:05.06 | foxlit | Xin: most of it has been done |
| 00:05.08 | cbreak | it has taken me two years to convince my guild to use a raid addon like ora2. |
| 00:05.33 | Industrial | just convince the guild leader/officers and demand everyone uses it |
| 00:05.38 | Industrial | not that hard :\ |
| 00:05.40 | cbreak | I am the guild leader. |
| 00:05.45 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:05.45 | Industrial | demand it :D? |
| 00:05.49 | Mery | lol |
| 00:05.54 | foxlit | Wouldn't work if I'm in your guild, really :) |
| 00:05.54 | cbreak | didn't work :/ |
| 00:06.06 | Kirov | Yeah, it was easy. "Oh, you don't have the addon?" *kick from raid." |
| 00:06.06 | Industrial | reprecussions. they will learn soon enough :p |
| 00:06.13 | Industrial | exactly |
| 00:06.22 | cbreak | that'd be unfriendly. |
| 00:06.26 | foxlit | Fundamentally, there's no point in enforcing specific addons. If their actual _performance_ is not up to par, kick them from the guild. |
| 00:06.33 | Mery | well in my Ex-guild they demanded ctra and did resistance checks on you |
| 00:06.35 | Kirov | Raiding with out required addons is unfriendly too. |
| 00:06.43 | Mery | so for a friend of mine i modified it for +100 |
| 00:06.53 | Mery | they never found out |
| 00:07.09 | Kirov | I had a friend who modified DamageMeters to show that he did 1337 damage, always. |
| 00:07.11 | Industrial | in my current guild they demand progressions as means of showing you are active |
| 00:07.14 | cbreak | I wrote a nice addon to draw mapps of boss strategies. Only four or five people ever installed it :/ |
| 00:07.15 | bleeter | i did crap like that when my old guild started being jerks |
| 00:07.20 | Anaral | How come frame:AddLine( "Stacks in lots of " .. StackCount) is outputting wrong data? Leather and herbs are 0 stacks while Super Healing Pots can stack in lots of 55? |
| 00:07.42 | bleeter | think I went as far as investigating how to inject fake data into whatever damage meter foo we were using |
| 00:07.43 | foxlit | StackCount clearly contains the wrong data |
| 00:07.44 | Neo|Home | foxlit: that's the problem. people using oRA2 is mainly for the benefit of the raid leader |
| 00:07.54 | foxlit | People use oRA2? |
| 00:07.56 | Neo|Home | checking things like repair status, resistance etc |
| 00:08.01 | Neo|Home | of course |
| 00:08.12 | Anaral | foxlit: So what would be the correct call for StackCount data? |
| 00:08.14 | Kirov | most of my guild uses oRA2 |
| 00:08.18 | Anaral | :p |
| 00:08.23 | foxlit | Some of mine uses it. It's a headache |
| 00:08.28 | Industrial | mine uses ctra but im secretly using ora2 :p |
| 00:08.33 | Neo|Home | "a headache"? |
| 00:08.33 | foxlit | "set main tanks this set makin assists that" |
| 00:08.38 | Neo|Home | how is it possibly a headache? |
| 00:08.46 | Neo|Home | wow |
| 00:08.50 | Neo|Home | seriously. wow. |
| 00:08.52 | Neo|Home | that's so sad |
| 00:09.05 | Industrial | eh? I dont get it :p |
| 00:09.14 | Kirov | Or you could ... you know ... use Blizzard's built in main tank / main assist |
| 00:09.17 | Diao | we only haev a few required addons |
| 00:09.18 | Kirov | oh, wait, it sucks |
| 00:09.28 | Diao | bigwigs, ora2, omen, instanthealth |
| 00:09.35 | Diao | everything else is up to the individual player |
| 00:09.36 | Mery | Anaral: you need to show us where StackCount is assigned... |
| 00:09.37 | Industrial | why need a main tank frame at all, just announce the name |
| 00:09.43 | Industrial | or oyu know the guy with the shield |
| 00:09.43 | cbreak | we only require ora2 or compatible and a bossmod. |
| 00:09.44 | Industrial | or the bear |
| 00:09.52 | foxlit | We require absolutely nothing |
| 00:09.59 | foxlit | And hey, it seems to work :) |
| 00:10.07 | bleeter | foxlit: no brain? can I join then!? :P |
| 00:10.09 | Aiiane | should swap over to the QuickHealth plugins, diao :) |
| 00:10.11 | Neo|Home | foxlit: if you don't mind me asking, what progression level are you at? |
| 00:10.15 | Diao | er |
| 00:10.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirov: why does it suck? |
| 00:10.20 | Diao | quickhealth i mean Aiiane :p |
| 00:10.22 | Kirov | Technically we don't have any required addons, but most people use oRA2, Omen, DBM |
| 00:10.27 | foxlit | Neo|Home: Felmyst |
| 00:10.30 | Diao | i helped cncfanatics test every module ;p |
| 00:10.34 | Anaral | It's assigned from the link |
| 00:10.36 | Aiiane | :P |
| 00:10.45 | Neo|Home | Industrial: if you think oRA2 is the only useful thing from oRA2 you're missing the stuff I require people to use oRA2 for |
| 00:10.53 | Neo|Home | namely resist checks, repair checks etc |
| 00:10.53 | Kirov | I use BigWigs and most of my guild members get mad when I'm not in the raid because Big Wigs has more useful information than DBM for some fights. |
| 00:10.56 | Neo|Home | item checks |
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| 00:11.00 | foxlit | bleeter: as long as your zombie-like performance can measure up to our requirements, we don't require you to have a brain, either |
| 00:11.05 | cbreak | those checks aren't important |
| 00:11.14 | foxlit | Those checks shouldn't ever be needed |
| 00:11.15 | Neo|Home | they are very useful. to me. |
| 00:11.17 | cbreak | the cool thing is combat rez syncing, main tank frames and so on |
| 00:11.19 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - only one main tank, one main assist, and the interface for setting it / seeing them isn't great. |
| 00:11.23 | Diao | ora2 cooldowns is very useful |
| 00:11.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirov: uh, no? You can set multiple of both |
| 00:11.32 | Kirov | I've never liked the built in raid UI. |
| 00:11.39 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - default blizzard UI you can't |
| 00:11.42 | Diao | built in maintank frames are terrible |
| 00:11.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes you can |
| 00:11.45 | Diao | and buggy |
| 00:11.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I've set them every other week for my kara runs |
| 00:11.51 | bleeter | foxlit: hmm, i'm trying to read into your statement that you guys don't have brains either.. any chance you could rewrite it? ;) :P j/k |
| 00:11.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I set two MTs and an OT |
| 00:11.57 | Neo|Home | Kirov: you can set more |
| 00:12.01 | Kirov | How? |
| 00:12.01 | Neo|Home | but it's .. bleh |
| 00:12.01 | Industrial | Neo|Home: I just have to to please the raid leader. I dont need it to raid... |
| 00:12.06 | ScytheBlade1 | "/mt Name" |
| 00:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | etc |
| 00:12.09 | Matrix110| | The problem with the Blizzard frames is the order |
| 00:12.13 | Matrix110| | atleast mine |
| 00:12.16 | foxlit | bleeter: this is your brain on "raids": |
| 00:12.19 | Neo|Home | Industrial: there's the point. it's not for YOUr benefit. it's for MY benefit. |
| 00:12.25 | Industrial | Neo|Home: "how much til hero" "3min" on vent |
| 00:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | You just simply set multiple MTs :) |
| 00:12.41 | Neo|Home | and hell of a lot easier to just look at my timer |
| 00:12.43 | foxlit | You also do not need pervasive addon deployment to track Heroism |
| 00:12.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Secondly, it's... stupidly easy to see. Click, drag on the tab. hey, check that out. |
| 00:12.50 | foxlit | It's LAZY. |
| 00:12.59 | Neo|Home | it's handy |
| 00:13.02 | Industrial | its just an example |
| 00:13.03 | foxlit | Seriously, check for the spellcast and keep a local timer if you need it. |
| 00:13.04 | Matrix110| | And the design of the Blizzard MTs is failĀ³ |
| 00:13.06 | Neo|Home | cuts down on unnecessary vent chatter |
| 00:13.08 | Industrial | why do I need a main tank frame at all |
| 00:13.15 | Industrial | i know who he is at all times |
| 00:13.17 | foxlit | 24 other people do not need to run whatever it is you run that way :) |
| 00:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Industrial: fast access to him/his target |
| 00:13.25 | foxlit | Industrial: I know why |
| 00:13.27 | Industrial | either a guy with a shield of a bear if I dont know his name |
| 00:13.32 | foxlit | Healers want main-tank unit frames |
| 00:13.36 | Diao | and when you're looking through your raid frames |
| 00:13.37 | Industrial | im a healer |
| 00:13.40 | Diao | to find him |
| 00:13.43 | Industrial | group 1 |
| 00:13.43 | Xinhuan | p.s. use focus frame on your MT |
| 00:13.44 | Diao | and you're a second too late and he dies |
| 00:13.46 | foxlit | Possibly not you :) |
| 00:13.52 | Industrial | always group 1 |
| 00:13.53 | Diao | multiple tanks! |
| 00:13.54 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: we do? |
| 00:14.02 | foxlit | Ours whine if they aren't set |
| 00:14.15 | foxlit | I suspect the problem is that they can't make an effective MT-only extract from the raid roster |
| 00:14.27 | Matrix110| | Well it depends on how you assign/(or not assign) the healing |
| 00:14.29 | NightHawkAtWork | most raid groups i'm in have a "tank group" |
| 00:14.32 | Kirov | I used MT frames religously as a DPS class ... back in Molten Core. |
| 00:14.37 | foxlit | Because their unit frame addons don't let them do it -- relying on CTRA assigns :( |
| 00:14.37 | Industrial | why cant they just click his frame right beside the rest of the raid? |
| 00:14.54 | NightHawkAtWork | so it's a fairly dirrect correlation of tanks and raid groups |
| 00:15.05 | Industrial | and for dps too |
| 00:15.09 | Industrial | click mt, press assist |
| 00:15.10 | Industrial | poof |
| 00:15.19 | Industrial | right target |
| 00:15.19 | Diao | let's say hyjal trash for example, we use 4-5 tanks |
| 00:15.26 | cbreak | it's nice to see the mt targets of all tanks |
| 00:15.30 | foxlit | Diao: chain heal |
| 00:15.31 | Diao | the default blizzard frames aren't visible enough |
| 00:15.35 | Diao | you can't chainheal, sorry |
| 00:15.35 | Kirov | Industrial - you ever do the core hounds in molten core? |
| 00:15.36 | NightHawkAtWork | Kirov: yeah, i use main tank frames often for targetting as dps. |
| 00:15.40 | Diao | the tanks are all over the place |
| 00:15.44 | Diao | picking up targets in different locations |
| 00:15.47 | foxlit | bring more than one shaman :) |
| 00:15.48 | Matrix110| | they are? |
| 00:15.49 | Industrial | Kirov: no, I didnt raid in vanilla wow |
| 00:15.50 | Diao | nowhere near enough each other for chainheal |
| 00:15.55 | Xinhuan | that sounds like a healing technique issue |
| 00:15.55 | foxlit | and preferably more threat-generating tanks |
| 00:16.02 | Xinhuan | rather than a "need main tain frame" issue |
| 00:16.04 | bleeter | hey, is the 'target has more powerful spell active' error that's generated when you try and buff someone, created server side or client side? I ask, 'coz I justtried buffing someone with thorns of dmg 15 with my thorns of dmg 18, and it errored. When is 15 > 18? |
| 00:16.08 | Xinhuan | tank* |
| 00:16.09 | Diao | no, we generate plenty of threat |
| 00:16.19 | foxlit | bleeter: talents? |
| 00:16.19 | Diao | it's just that you can't have 6 abominations on the same spot |
| 00:16.21 | Diao | because they do aoe damage |
| 00:16.23 | Diao | and stun |
| 00:16.28 | Xinhuan | duration beeter? |
| 00:16.29 | Diao | so you need multiple tanks to separate them |
| 00:16.34 | foxlit | You can easily tank all 6 within CH jump range |
| 00:16.45 | foxlit | They don't require miles of separation :) |
| 00:16.45 | Kirov | Industrial - So, imagine you have 5 mobs with a lot of health. They ALL have to die with in 5 seconds of each other or they respawn. |
| 00:16.47 | Industrial | also, bring more shamans :P |
| 00:16.49 | Diao | not when there's necromancers up front and infernals in the back as well |
| 00:16.51 | bleeter | foxlit: ah, yes.. that's prolly it. talents. |
| 00:16.52 | Xinhuan | a shorter duration spell isn't allowed to overwrite a longer one (example, frostbite can't override frost nova) |
| 00:16.57 | Diao | :p |
| 00:16.58 | NightHawkAtWork | Diao: while I'll admit it's arguably a play-style issue. I've -never- had a tank die because i was spending too much time looking in my raid frames for them |
| 00:17.08 | Industrial | Kirov: only AoE spells and pala tank |
| 00:17.15 | Industrial | Kirov: im prolly thinking too simple |
| 00:17.15 | Matrix110| | Well it depends on raidsetups |
| 00:17.26 | Mery | just aoe... that's all i had to do as a mage :P |
| 00:17.29 | Kirov | Industrial - Paladin tanking wasn't an option back then. |
| 00:17.33 | foxlit | Point is, this "I know what's good for you" philosophy is evil |
| 00:17.38 | Matrix110| | Having 4 tanks in 4 different groups might require to much mouse movemnt for some healers :P |
| 00:17.41 | foxlit | And it appears all too often |
| 00:17.49 | Industrial | Matrix110|: why in different groups |
| 00:17.56 | Matrix110| | no reason |
| 00:17.58 | Industrial | just stick tanks in g1 |
| 00:18.04 | NightHawkAtWork | Matrix110|: again, play-style/setup issue |
| 00:18.17 | Diao | yeah we don't put all tanks in 1 group |
| 00:18.18 | cbreak | tanks are grouped for synergies, not the healer desires. |
| 00:18.33 | Industrial | well ofc, but I focus on the tank im healing |
| 00:18.33 | Kirov | Actually, one of my biggest annoyances with 2.0 is the ability to see the entire raid in the minimap. |
| 00:18.35 | Matrix110| | well we got a tank group but without a warrior/2nd feral they might end up in the rogue group |
| 00:18.37 | Industrial | how would i NOT know where he is |
| 00:18.44 | Industrial | i'd be a retard |
| 00:18.46 | Kirov | I liked being able to quickly see where my party was. |
| 00:18.57 | NightHawkAtWork | Kirov: yeah, that does irk me, i wish it was a toggleable setting |
| 00:18.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirov: /agree, it should be an option |
| 00:19.04 | foxlit | Kirov: agree, the lighter shade is annoyingly similar |
| 00:19.08 | foxlit | They really should alpha it more |
| 00:19.11 | cbreak | you see the whole raid? |
| 00:19.18 | Diao | use a minimap mod! |
| 00:19.21 | Diao | they can change the icons |
| 00:19.22 | cbreak | all I see is an indistinguishable cloud of blue dots |
| 00:19.22 | Industrial | im using perfectraid so yes :p |
| 00:19.52 | NightHawkAtWork | Diao: its not so much the icons, as it is 25 of the damn things in a half inch diamater on my damn map. |
| 00:19.59 | Diao | ah |
| 00:20.05 | Kirov | Diao - doesn't help since other raid members can stand "on top" of party members and hide them. |
| 00:20.18 | NightHawkAtWork | it's basically impossible to pick out the 5 that are my party to see where i should best stand for totems |
| 00:20.19 | foxlit | If you can swap the textures |
| 00:20.26 | Diao | true |
| 00:20.27 | foxlit | Per-variation, that is |
| 00:20.30 | Diao | i just use a range mod on my raidframes |
| 00:20.32 | foxlit | You can swap them to lower opacity textures |
| 00:20.34 | Diao | greys out people if they're out of range |
| 00:20.41 | Diao | so i can see quickly if party is in range or not |
| 00:20.44 | Industrial | NightHawkAtWork: so you discuss that beforehand? you stand there you stand there |
| 00:20.46 | NightHawkAtWork | Diao: yeah, i have the same, but that dosen't say which direction they are :P |
| 00:20.59 | Kirov | I guess, yes, I could make the raid 1x1 pixel dots and stil be able to "see" them, but not have them (usually) cover my party |
| 00:21.03 | Tiven | hiiiiii |
| 00:21.17 | Industrial | NightHawkAtWork: we place the healers and let parties figure out where their shammy is and move to him, not the other way around |
| 00:21.30 | Industrial | generally, that is. |
| 00:21.34 | NightHawkAtWork | Industrial: probably should, yeah, but that seems like a headache, and sometimes raid groups change mid battle, and positioning always shifts in some fights |
| 00:21.41 | Industrial | yep |
| 00:21.52 | Tiven | guys , is DoTimer discontinued ? |
| 00:22.01 | Industrial | well just announce it on vent, everyone seems to be able to hear the raid leader so ;p |
| 00:22.13 | foxlit | is that the thing that keeps spamming RAID addon channel? |
| 00:22.39 | NightHawkAtWork | granted, I don't give myself an ulcer trying to figure out if i'm in range of my party, if they need the totems that badly, they can find me. :P But i try to make it as easy as possible |
| 00:23.08 | foxlit | private lucky charms could be awesome to help with that |
| 00:23.10 | Industrial | im all selfish like "guys im here" jump jump look totems! you want this! and then they figure it out :P most of the time |
| 00:23.28 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: yeah, a set of "personal" raid targets would be sweet. |
| 00:24.17 | cbreak | ora2 can do that. |
| 00:24.21 | cbreak | sort of. |
| 00:24.38 | foxlit | And yet not quite :) |
| 00:24.55 | cbreak | I never use it so I don't know what it lacks :) |
| 00:25.08 | cbreak | I just know it's there because I was anoyed with it taking up space. |
| 00:25.08 | foxlit | It can't put a visible token above your shaman's head |
| 00:25.10 | NightHawkAtWork | ora2 can do playerTargets, but it doesn't stick a freaking beacon over their head. :P |
| 00:25.44 | cbreak | being raid leader is nice. full marking power :D |
| 00:27.46 | bleeter | personal targets would be awesome. I could then mark a particular person in a BG for myself to continue hunting down ;) |
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| 00:28.09 | cbreak | no |
| 00:28.19 | cbreak | you can't mark enemy players with symbols :/ |
| 00:28.29 | cbreak | not even in their raid wide state |
| 00:28.42 | NightHawkAtWork | for that specific reason, i'm sure. :P |
| 00:28.45 | cbreak | blizzard went out of it's way to disable it. |
| 00:29.01 | cbreak | it was so convenient to set kill targets in arenas |
| 00:29.07 | cbreak | much faster than typing |
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| 00:30.46 | Ackis | http://wowi.pastey.net/93108 comments? |
| 00:31.08 | Ackis | (that macro doesn't work, it won't put the items on the AH for me) |
| 00:33.26 | foxlit | why the PickupContainerItem(0,2);PickupContainerItem(0,2); spam? |
| 00:33.47 | Ackis | one is to pick it up, put it into the next slot, then pick it up as an individual item |
| 00:34.11 | foxlit | Oh |
| 00:34.14 | foxlit | You're so doomed |
| 00:34.18 | foxlit | PCI isn't instant |
| 00:34.34 | Ackis | I know |
| 00:35.05 | Ackis | was thinking a delay would make life easier |
| 00:35.19 | cbreak | making delays in a macro is complicated. |
| 00:35.45 | Matrix110| | Ackis why not use Igor's Mass Auction | Auctioneer on your AuctionHouse/Bank tool? |
| 00:36.19 | Ackis | want to learn the functions myself |
| 00:36.21 | Ackis | :) |
| 00:36.23 | Matrix110| | ah |
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| 01:03.20 | Xinhuan | ackis, try Auctionator on wowi |
| 01:03.33 | Xinhuan | its very small, and its extremely good at undercutting everyone else at 5 silver less |
| 01:03.39 | Xinhuan | and it can auto split stacks up |
| 01:04.04 | Xinhuan | and most of all, it does not attempt to keep any sort of database |
| 01:04.13 | Matrix110| | Ackis just installed Auctioneer hes gone for 2 weeks now exploring it :P |
| 01:04.22 | Xinhuan | you put an item into the AH box, it immediately performs a AH search of that item |
| 01:04.31 | Xinhuan | and recommends a price to undercut (usually by 5 silver) |
| 01:04.41 | Matrix110| | The Database is the best from Auctioneer |
| 01:04.57 | Xinhuan | yeah but in most cases, the database is only useful for buying low to sell high |
| 01:05.14 | Xinhuan | for the average user case, all he wants to do is to sell an item quickly, and undercut by a small amount |
| 01:05.20 | Matrix110| | true |
| 01:05.27 | Xinhuan | so Auctionator does its job really well |
| 01:05.33 | Matrix110| | But for me selling "rare" patterns its good |
| 01:05.46 | Matrix110| | when they are only on AH 1day/week |
| 01:05.48 | Xuerian | Auctionator ++ |
| 01:06.20 | Matrix110| | And BatchPosting is awesomeness in Auctioneer |
| 01:06.32 | Matrix110| | When I have to post 500 Auctions I can just go afk 10minutes :D |
| 01:07.19 | Xinhuan | with auctionator, i create 200+ auctions in under 10 min ;p |
| 01:07.46 | Matrix110| | Well desplitting cant go faster |
| 01:08.13 | NightHawkAtWork | heading home, later guys. |
| 01:08.29 | Matrix110| | And if you lets say post 100auctions of Arcane Dust x1 and 100auctions of LPS you normally first have to post all Arcane Dust auctions |
| 01:08.37 | Matrix110| | in Auctioneer i queue them up both |
| 01:08.39 | Matrix110| | and go afk :P |
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| 01:14.32 | Aiiane | wtb "collapse all auctions from this user" in AH ui :P |
| 01:14.45 | Aiiane | to hide your 100 auctions of 1 dust :P |
| 01:14.49 | ScytheBlade1 | truth |
| 01:15.03 | Matrix110| | Spamming Auctions is the KEY to scamming |
| 01:15.21 | Kalroth | Aiiane: Just an "ignore this wanker" option |
| 01:15.28 | Aiiane | or that :P |
| 01:15.30 | Aiiane | although |
| 01:15.32 | Matrix110| | back 3 or 4 patches if the bid was lower than anything else it was one the first page |
| 01:15.32 | Aiiane | i dislike that |
| 01:15.44 | Aiiane | because one day that wanker might screw up and post 100 auctions for 1copper each :P |
| 01:15.46 | Kalroth | Aiiane: Sorry, "ignore this fucking wanker" then |
| 01:15.49 | Matrix110| | so you posted your Item at least amount of bid and high buyout |
| 01:15.49 | Kalroth | oh |
| 01:15.53 | Matrix110| | and people bought it :D |
| 01:16.08 | Aiiane | yeah Matrix110|, I remember that |
| 01:16.18 | Aiiane | default sort was by bid, not BO |
| 01:16.24 | Matrix110| | jep |
| 01:16.28 | Drundia | doesn't it still sort by bid? |
| 01:16.32 | Matrix110| | no |
| 01:16.38 | Matrix110| | its buyout/or bid now |
| 01:16.40 | Aiiane | no, defaultsort now is by BO |
| 01:17.01 | Matrix110| | It only worked on high volume high demand items though |
| 01:17.05 | Matrix110| | enchanting mats/herbs etc. |
| 01:17.12 | Aiiane | one of these days |
| 01:17.19 | Aiiane | they'll actually added a listing cost to enchanting mats :P |
| 01:17.39 | Drundia | sorting by clicking column results in bid sorting |
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| 01:18.09 | Drundia | default one is like quality/buyout/bid |
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| 01:18.22 | Tyler232 | anyone know why this isnt working: |
| 01:18.25 | Tyler232 | function Rested() |
| 01:18.27 | Tyler232 | retVal = GetXPExhaustion() |
| 01:18.28 | Tyler232 | if retVal == nil |
| 01:18.30 | Tyler232 | return "unrested" |
| 01:18.32 | Tyler232 | else |
| 01:18.33 | Tyler232 | return "rested" |
| 01:18.35 | Tyler232 | end |
| 01:18.36 | Tyler232 | end |
| 01:18.59 | batrick | Tyler232: use pastey.net in the future |
| 01:19.42 | batrick | function Rested() return not not GetXPExhaustion() end |
| 01:20.06 | Tyler232 | what? |
| 01:20.43 | Drundia | function Rested() return GetXPExhaustion() and "rested" or "unrested" end |
| 01:21.11 | Tyler232 | ??? |
| 01:21.18 | batrick | does it have to return a string? |
| 01:21.22 | Tyler232 | yea |
| 01:21.38 | Drundia | no one knows why is that not working, because it should work |
| 01:21.40 | batrick | then use Drundia's version |
| 01:21.53 | Tyler232 | "function Rested() return GetXPExhaustion() and "rested" or "unrested" end" |
| 01:21.56 | Tyler232 | that works? |
| 01:22.02 | batrick | yes... |
| 01:22.09 | Drundia | in theory it should do the same as what you pasted |
| 01:22.33 | Drundia | and in the same theory both functions should work |
| 01:22.39 | Tyler232 | wow it works |
| 01:22.46 | Tyler232 | thanks |
| 01:22.52 | batrick | Tyler232: use locals btw, your function before used a global |
| 01:22.56 | batrick | e.g. |
| 01:23.05 | batrick | local retVal = GetXPExhaustion() |
| 01:23.48 | Tyler232 | if i use local X it will only be used in my script |
| 01:23.51 | Tyler232 | ? |
| 01:23.54 | batrick | yes |
| 01:23.57 | Tyler232 | ok |
| 01:24.11 | batrick | you should understand scoping rules |
| 01:24.25 | batrick | the local won't be usable outside the function |
| 01:24.40 | Tyler232 | k |
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| 01:30.34 | Tyler232 | how do i have my addon speak to my guild |
| 01:31.04 | Tyler232 | cant seem to find it on the api page on wowwiki |
| 01:31.13 | Dashkal | !api SendChatMessage |
| 01:31.14 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'SendChatMessage' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage |
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| 01:42.40 | cbreak | !api string.find |
| 01:42.41 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.find' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.find |
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| 01:46.49 | Tyler232 | !api function |
| 01:46.49 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'function': lua_CFunction, GetFunctionCPUUsage, lua_tocfunction, lua_pushcfunction, lua_isfunction, lua_iscfunction |
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| 01:52.21 | zush | So anyone know if there's a way known yet to grab the current energy value in wotlk beta? I'm simply trying to print to the chat window what the current value is when it changes. |
| 01:52.52 | Matrix110| | Unit Functions dont work? |
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| 01:53.24 | Mikk | UnitMana ? |
| 01:54.00 | Mikk | and isn't it going to be changing every 0.1s? =P |
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| 01:54.31 | zush | yes but it's temporary. |
| 01:54.46 | zush | I just want to see the actual value that's being returned and since it's updating so fast it's not easy to catch. |
| 01:55.59 | zush | there's a few bug rumors but they are hard to track you see. |
| 01:56.26 | SmarkClient2 | it possible to check for buffs on a player when they die? |
| 01:56.34 | zush | I've done some basic addon stuff, just modifying but that was a long time ago it seems my knowledge is really of date. |
| 01:56.57 | SmarkClient2 | like the buffs that were on them... like the UNIT_DIED is triggered twice for holy priests... looking to only have it happen once per actual death |
| 01:58.21 | Mikk | zush: erm how do you mean... yes it's temporary - it's a live gauge. it's correct at the time that you fetch it thoug |
| 01:58.45 | Matrix110| | SmarkClient2 thats only with Spirit of Redemption |
| 01:59.13 | Matrix110| | and as Spirit of Redemption is up for a fixed amount of time it should be quite easy to filter out :P |
| 01:59.22 | Mikk | indeed. easier than looking for buffs. |
| 02:00.05 | Matrix110| | and if some priest really dies twice and at the right time he deserve that his death is not counted :P |
| 02:03.38 | bleeter | they can go shove it |
| 02:03.44 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 02:04.09 | bleeter | only been doing it for three months, buncha cheapasses |
| 02:04.42 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5640976872&sid=1&pageNo=200#3988 |
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| 02:33.06 | Kirov | Rocket Arena? |
| 02:33.21 | Thunder_Child | yes Kirov, thats it exactly |
| 02:33.31 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, could you have a ranged stunn? |
| 02:33.37 | Thunder_Child | stun* |
| 02:35.01 | bleeter | nah druid pounce |
| 02:35.20 | Wobin | ie furbomb |
| 02:35.26 | bleeter | rawr |
| 02:35.31 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 02:35.50 | Wobin | Oh Gryphen I missed you =) |
| 02:36.07 | bleeter | it's up there on my annoyance factor with the UI indicating something's inrange, but it isn't according to the server, but on the next swing it is yet no one's moved |
| 02:36.16 | bleeter | weirdos |
| 02:36.33 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:36.40 | Wobin | I just moved my druid to a new server |
| 02:36.48 | Wobin | but someone already had taken the name Ruxpin |
| 02:36.54 | Wobin | damn them |
| 02:37.27 | Wobin | So I took Furphy instead |
| 02:37.36 | Wobin | hm |
| 02:37.49 | Wobin | ASUS have done wonders for the size of the keyboard on the eeePC 1000 |
| 02:38.08 | Wobin | but the halving of the right shift to fit in the up arrow key is highly annoying |
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| 02:40.51 | Xinhuan | who wants to try and "reverse engineer" a url link? |
| 02:41.16 | Xinhuan | the wow forums filter came up with this link in a post |
| 02:41.18 | Xinhuan | http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4408/hahawak#%!kj3.png |
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| 02:41.29 | Xinhuan | and i'm trying to guess what the #%! stands for |
| 02:41.41 | Corrodias | why do you think the forum system has scrambled it? |
| 02:42.02 | Xinhuan | because the link doesn't work |
| 02:42.06 | Xinhuan | in that form |
| 02:42.07 | Industrial | If you get access ot the beta can you roll a death knight instantly if you've got a level 70? |
| 02:42.15 | Industrial | also, any tips on this? |
| 02:42.15 | Industrial | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=jbhtxIfzisoguZZbhxzxho |
| 02:42.48 | Corrodias | okay... but what if that's just what the person posted? to irritate you? |
| 02:43.00 | Corrodias | i don't understand why the forum would try to keep you from following an imageshack link |
| 02:43.15 | Xinhuan | well any idea what that 3 letter word can be? |
| 02:43.23 | Corrodias | -oh- i get it |
| 02:43.53 | Corrodias | fag and ass would be my first guesses. we ran unto those all the time in Earth & Beyond |
| 02:44.09 | Corrodias | there was always that moment of confusion when someone mentioned that something came "out of a gate" |
| 02:44.09 | Xinhuan | http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4408/hahawakfagkj3.png |
| 02:44.15 | Xinhuan | ok you win at internet |
| 02:44.19 | Xinhuan | substituting fag in works |
| 02:44.20 | Corrodias | yay! |
| 02:44.48 | Industrial | what if its a picture of a cigarette? |
| 02:45.48 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8537884194&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 02:45.54 | Xinhuan | is the thread where that link is at ;p |
| 02:46.01 | Xinhuan | i bought it at 5k |
| 02:46.34 | Wobin | Death by SnaeSnae |
| 02:47.46 | Industrial | Xinhuan: rp nerd LOL |
| 02:47.55 | Industrial | Xinhuan: j/k :D but 5k you are insane |
| 02:47.58 | Xinhuan | now now, people just hate that i have 120k gold ;p |
| 02:48.09 | Xinhuan | and another guildie of mine has 390k |
| 02:48.12 | Industrial | +1 |
| 02:48.29 | Xinhuan | i just bought an epic mount for my alt ^^ 6k gold |
| 02:48.42 | Wobin | You know, xin |
| 02:48.45 | Industrial | I have 14 atm |
| 02:48.48 | Industrial | 14g |
| 02:48.49 | Wobin | I'd log into your server |
| 02:48.52 | Wobin | and beg for gold |
| 02:48.54 | Wobin | but |
| 02:48.55 | Wobin | it |
| 02:49.00 | Wobin | it's blackrock |
| 02:49.06 | Xinhuan | would just get you 3-day banned ;p |
| 02:49.10 | Wobin | and that's TERRIBLE |
| 02:49.24 | Wobin | why? |
| 02:49.28 | Industrial | Xinhuan: spill it. your sekrets. everything. I want it. |
| 02:49.41 | Wobin | I'd be most polite about it =) |
| 02:49.42 | Industrial | just ripping people off on the AH? |
| 02:49.43 | Xinhuan | there is no sekrets, i prospect and sell gems |
| 02:49.54 | Industrial | thats it? |
| 02:50.01 | Wobin | once you reach a certain threshold in money, it just goes up |
| 02:50.05 | Xinhuan | i personally raised the adamantite ore price on my server from 25g a stack to 41g a stack |
| 02:50.19 | Xinhuan | because that's the amount of volume i buy to prospect |
| 02:50.28 | Xinhuan | easily 30-100 stacks a day |
| 02:50.43 | Xinhuan | as it stands, it is still profitable to buy at 41g, but the profit is minimal |
| 02:50.44 | Wobin | Xinhuan doesn't play anymore |
| 02:50.50 | Wobin | he doesn't have time =) |
| 02:50.52 | Xinhuan | it breaks even at about 46g or so |
| 02:51.12 | Industrial | hm. I am interested in this. |
| 02:51.19 | Industrial | :p |
| 02:51.31 | Xinhuan | according to statistics gathered over the current price of gems, and the last 45081 prospects (or about 240k ore) |
| 02:51.51 | Xinhuan | since i record the data of all my prospects |
| 02:51.54 | Industrial | How do you easily level JC? just prospect prospect prospect? Should I get mining with it? |
| 02:52.09 | Dark_Elf | yep |
| 02:52.09 | Xinhuan | you lvl JC to 300 painfully |
| 02:52.20 | Xinhuan | then 300-350 you just cut green quality gems |
| 02:52.27 | Xinhuan | and 350-375 cutting rare uality gems |
| 02:52.29 | Xinhuan | +q |
| 02:52.41 | Xinhuan | every gem cut is a profit |
| 02:52.41 | Industrial | hm, but how do I get it up to 300 then |
| 02:52.54 | Xinhuan | you follow the profession guide on the profession forum sticky on wow forums |
| 02:52.56 | NightHawkTheSane | like he said, painfully |
| 02:52.57 | Xinhuan | that's about as cheap as it gets |
| 02:52.58 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 02:53.14 | Xinhuan | like 20 opals, 30 azeroth diamonds just to go 290-300 |
| 02:53.19 | Xinhuan | which is like 800g? |
| 02:53.28 | Diao | if you buy it, yeah |
| 02:53.38 | Xinhuan | you aren't likely to get it anywhere else ;p |
| 02:53.42 | Xinhuan | but from AH |
| 02:53.43 | Diao | on my alliance alt on another server, i'm playing with 3 friends |
| 02:53.46 | Diao | we're all 4 enchanting |
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| 02:53.49 | Diao | but they're 3 miners and i'm a jc |
| 02:53.52 | Diao | and they send me all the gems :D |
| 02:53.54 | Diao | so i get it free |
| 02:54.13 | Xinhuan | my guildie is owning the epic gem market |
| 02:54.19 | Xinhuan | he's hitting 350k soon |
| 02:54.23 | Diao | o_O |
| 02:54.25 | Dark_Elf | yeah people always want rings, even noobs in beginning levels come up and ask where got rings, we say we made em, then they offer silver hehe get rich real quick |
| 02:54.26 | Diao | 2 chars holding gold? |
| 02:54.29 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 02:54.37 | Arrowmaster | i should unload my badges for gems soon |
| 02:54.56 | Industrial | well like I said, I've got 14g atm and im having trouble getting money for.. anything really |
| 02:55.31 | Arrowmaster | i have 566 badges right now im unlikely to use |
| 02:55.32 | Industrial | I just do quel'danas every day to get some gold for a new enchant or something |
| 02:56.14 | Industrial | Xinhuan: where's that forum? can't find it. I never go to the official forums :\ |
| 02:56.24 | |pez| | 350k... wouldn' mind that |
| 02:56.27 | Xinhuan | uh its just called "Professions" |
| 02:56.33 | Xinhuan | or something |
| 02:56.46 | Xinhuan | there's this huge sticky with lvling guides for each profession |
| 02:57.09 | Sixen | Hey |
| 02:57.12 | Sixen | That's my sticky |
| 02:57.12 | Sixen | =) |
| 02:57.27 | Industrial | url :O? |
| 02:57.34 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 02:57.35 | Industrial | (plus I play eu :p) |
| 02:57.40 | Diao | i googled wow-europe profession guides |
| 02:57.41 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=102789457 |
| 02:57.43 | Diao | and it's like the first link |
| 02:58.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: every time i start to be midly impressed at having some 6k gold, you have to come along and talk about your damn i-can-buy-the-entire-world sums of money. :( |
| 02:58.21 | |pez| | this was his friend, not him XD |
| 02:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | well it's both of them, really |
| 02:58.36 | |pez| | true, I guess |
| 02:58.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan's not precisely short on cash either ;) |
| 02:58.47 | |pez| | if you're on Sporeggar EU, wanna give me a gold or two? XD |
| 02:58.51 | Arrowmaster | im short on cash =( |
| 02:58.53 | Xinhuan | i bought the JC neck pattern from sunwell at 25k |
| 02:58.54 | Xinhuan | easily |
| 02:58.57 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 02:59.05 | Xinhuan | then bought 5 motes for the ring, 11k |
| 02:59.16 | Diao | nobody sells those patterns horde side :\ |
| 02:59.20 | |pez| | I do actually have 350g, but it's... kinda unnaccesable for me at the moment. |
| 02:59.28 | Xinhuan | i stil have more gold than when i bought that pattern 3 months ago ;p |
| 02:59.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Diao: i imagine if you were offering 25k, someone would sell it to you |
| 02:59.53 | Xinhuan | technically it was a bid war, the next highest bid was 21k |
| 03:00.02 | Xinhuan | and i was banking on the guy giving up if he knows i bidded 25k |
| 03:00.22 | Xinhuan | or i would just have smashed 30k on it |
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| 03:02.05 | kd3 | oh wow... TTGL on sci-fi |
| 03:02.22 | NightHawkTheSane | ttgl? |
| 03:02.26 | Diao | anime |
| 03:02.26 | Wobin | ttgl? |
| 03:02.34 | kd3 | tengen toppa gurenn-lagann |
| 03:02.35 | Industrial | ttgl? |
| 03:02.36 | Wobin | argh |
| 03:02.37 | Industrial | ooo |
| 03:02.40 | Arrowmaster | dub? |
| 03:02.44 | Wobin | this shift is annoying =P |
| 03:02.45 | Arrowmaster | i still havent seen that anime |
| 03:02.49 | NightHawkTheSane | havn't heard of that. |
| 03:02.54 | Kalroth | I knew it, kd3 watches hent .. oh, it's anime |
| 03:02.57 | Arrowmaster | been meaning to watch it |
| 03:03.21 | Industrial | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3955948/Tengen_Toppa_Gurren-Lagann_ep_01-27_HD_quality |
| 03:03.24 | Industrial | :3 |
| 03:03.41 | kd3 | rofl, they censored the title... |
| 03:04.09 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 03:04.14 | Industrial | I've began watching Stargate:SG1 from episode 1 as I'm waiting for new Stargate:Atlantis ep's to be aired |
| 03:04.48 | Arrowmaster | bah mix of groups |
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| 03:05.07 | Industrial | yea |
| 03:06.04 | |pez| | Oh, heck, SG:A has started on s5? :o |
| 03:07.46 | Dark_Elf | sg1 was good until macguyver man left then it went downhill |
| 03:08.10 | Arrowmaster | it did =( |
| 03:08.11 | |pez| | This is true. |
| 03:08.31 | Arrowmaster | the season where he wasnt on the team was ok but downhill |
| 03:08.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Dark_Elf: sadly, true. :\ though i think that was more the writing than it was ben browder's fault |
| 03:09.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 03:09.05 | |pez| | maybe McGyver just didn't want to anymooore |
| 03:09.19 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty sure that is the case |
| 03:09.19 | Wobin | I liked Ben Browder |
| 03:09.28 | Arrowmaster | he didnt |
| 03:09.38 | Industrial | Dark_Elf: NOOO |
| 03:09.44 | Industrial | spoiler >_< |
| 03:09.54 | Dark_Elf | sorry |
| 03:10.01 | |pez| | I might be ignorant here... but... Ben Browder? |
| 03:10.02 | Industrial | im on ep3 |
| 03:10.03 | Industrial | :p |
| 03:10.14 | Arrowmaster | ep3 of s1? |
| 03:10.17 | Industrial | yes |
| 03:10.27 | NightHawkTheSane | |pez|: the guy who replaced RDA on SG1, also the guy from Farscape. :P |
| 03:10.27 | Arrowmaster | fail |
| 03:10.37 | Kalroth | |pez|: "Robert Benedic "Ben" Browder (born December 11, 1962) is an American film and television actor, who garnered minor feature film and television roles before accepting a lead role on the sci-fi TV series Farscape and later Stargate SG-1." |
| 03:10.38 | |pez| | Industrial: I... thought you'd actually watched SG:1 since you're already watching Atnaltis. |
| 03:10.42 | Industrial | i never watched it, always a trek fan didnt watsh stargate |
| 03:10.43 | |pez| | Oooh! |
| 03:10.43 | |pez| | him |
| 03:10.47 | Industrial | i love atlantis however |
| 03:10.57 | |pez| | his eyes are always red. |
| 03:11.22 | Wobin | yeah, Crichton |
| 03:11.50 | Arrowmaster | i never got into the scifi wars |
| 03:12.23 | Industrial | well I guess i like everything now |
| 03:12.24 | Dark_Elf | i thought the symbiote snakes they put into the people were cool idea |
| 03:12.26 | Kirov | Farscape was a great show. |
| 03:12.28 | Arrowmaster | ive watched all of startrek, stargate, farscape, and babylon5 |
| 03:12.36 | Corrodias | i'd like to see those shows |
| 03:12.42 | |pez| | I loved Farscape really. |
| 03:12.43 | Industrial | except flash gordon and sci-fi shit b series :P |
| 03:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: s/great/brilliant/ |
| 03:12.48 | Corrodias | yet... when am i sitting around and willing to watch TV rather than play games? |
| 03:12.52 | Industrial | sci-fi channel* |
| 03:12.54 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, you have watched every star trek show? |
| 03:12.58 | Thunder_Child | ep* |
| 03:13.01 | Arrowmaster | not every |
| 03:13.03 | Kirov | Farscape is the only show I know of, apart from Family Guy, that got cancelled, then brought back because so many people complained. |
| 03:13.08 | Thunder_Child | ~lie Arrowmaster |
| 03:13.13 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 03:13.19 | Arrowmaster | havent watched all of the original or voyager |
| 03:13.20 | Kirov | And I don't feel like Family Guy used their resurrection well. |
| 03:13.25 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, it wasnt brought back... |
| 03:13.35 | Thunder_Child | unless you mean the movie |
| 03:13.38 | |pez| | Kirov: sure it was. |
| 03:13.39 | Thunder_Child | s |
| 03:13.43 | |pez| | in movie form. |
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| 03:13.52 | |pez| | or, not movie, really. |
| 03:13.58 | NightHawkTheSane | "tv miniseries" |
| 03:14.04 | |pez| | that's the word. |
| 03:14.09 | Thunder_Child | might as well put sg-1 in that place as well |
| 03:14.18 | Wobin | well it got a response, anyway |
| 03:14.51 | Kirov | SG-1 never got truely cancelled though, just delayed |
| 03:14.52 | |pez| | I can hear my boyfriend snore through the walls! |
| 03:15.05 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, yes it did |
| 03:15.32 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - Richard Anderson quit, sure. |
| 03:15.42 | Kalroth | |pez|: hammer the wall until he wakes up and then shout at him |
| 03:15.50 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, he quit before it ended |
| 03:16.04 | |pez| | Kalroth: then he'll make me drive him to work tomorrow. -__-' |
| 03:16.16 | Kirov | I mean cancelled, then brought back. |
| 03:16.20 | Arrowmaster | sg1 wasnt originally a sci-fi network show was it? |
| 03:16.28 | Kirov | Nope |
| 03:16.32 | Kalroth | |pez|: hammer the wall so hard that you hurt your hand then! |
| 03:16.34 | Kirov | Neither was Farscape |
| 03:16.48 | Arrowmaster | it wasnt? |
| 03:16.48 | NightHawkTheSane | sg1 started on.. showtime i think |
| 03:16.52 | Arrowmaster | i thought farscape was |
| 03:17.10 | Dark_Elf | saw it on antenae local station |
| 03:17.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah showtime sounds right |
| 03:17.30 | NightHawkTheSane | farscape was not produced by sci-fi either |
| 03:17.43 | NightHawkTheSane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farscape |
| 03:17.53 | Kirov | Sci Fi Channel - original channel |
| 03:17.55 | Kirov | hmm |
| 03:18.03 | Arrowmaster | i dont have a copy of farscape s1-4 anymore =( |
| 03:18.12 | Arrowmaster | dvd sets are so expensive for it |
| 03:18.12 | NightHawkTheSane | oh wait, they did finance it |
| 03:19.17 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster. i do. and it takes up so much space :( |
| 03:19.27 | Arrowmaster | ive had many harddrive failures |
| 03:19.35 | Arrowmaster | dont have startrek anymore either |
| 03:19.38 | Kirov | Stargate SG-1 was Showtime for seasons 1-5, rebroadcast on Sci Fi |
| 03:19.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: no more than normal, really... |
| 03:19.47 | Kirov | 6-10 on SciFi |
| 03:19.51 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, true i suppose |
| 03:20.11 | Kirov | I just remember when Firefly was first aired, it was aired like an hour after Voyager. |
| 03:20.44 | Thunder_Child | oh wait no i dont, i lied, i have andromeda/sliders/ SG-1 on my system |
| 03:20.46 | Corrodias | so by the time voyager had scared everyone off, nobody was left to watch firefly |
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| 03:20.58 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, voyager was the best |
| 03:21.02 | Kirov | I didn't even think about Firefly until maybe 3 years after it came out. |
| 03:21.19 | Thunder_Child | i never did get into b5 |
| 03:21.20 | Corrodias | i joke; i never saw any voyager or ds9 eps |
| 03:21.20 | Wobin | I liked farscape |
| 03:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: same, actually |
| 03:21.25 | Kirov | I seem to remember it was Voyager, Andromeda, then Firefly. |
| 03:21.27 | Wobin | cause all the extras had aussie accents |
| 03:21.30 | Wobin | and kiwi ones |
| 03:21.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i didn't even see firefly until some time after it was cancelled |
| 03:21.37 | Kirov | I could never get myself through an episode of Andromeda to bother watching Firefly |
| 03:21.53 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, yeah, andromeda is a bit cheesy |
| 03:22.10 | Kirov | Andromeda was Hercules only not as funny. |
| 03:22.19 | Arrowmaster | i didnt get into b5 until recently |
| 03:22.20 | Thunder_Child | 1-4 was decent, 5 however started getting weird |
| 03:22.21 | NightHawkTheSane | it's entertaining as long as you can enjoy the poorness of it |
| 03:22.24 | Arrowmaster | when i found a torrent for it |
| 03:22.28 | Arrowmaster | and watched it all |
| 03:22.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: is it not pure awesome, though? |
| 03:22.47 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 03:22.54 | Arrowmaster | although s5 was slow |
| 03:22.56 | Kirov | Some of the best Star Trek was DS9 |
| 03:23.01 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah |
| 03:23.19 | Arrowmaster | TNG and DS9 |
| 03:23.22 | Kirov | DS9 had some really really bad episodes in the first two seasons, then it went awesome. |
| 03:23.24 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, s5 was weak. but a lot of things happened between the production of s4 and s5 that sort of messed it up |
| 03:23.35 | Thunder_Child | like drugs? |
| 03:23.36 | Kirov | Basically all of the TNG writers moved on to DS9 |
| 03:23.43 | NightHawkTheSane | it was cancelled, and brought back, and there were contract issues, so.. |
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| 03:24.14 | Shirik | ok so I think I'm watching a lost bot in shattrath |
| 03:24.23 | Legorol | rofl |
| 03:24.29 | Shirik | I've been standing in scryer rise for the last 15 minutes or so |
| 03:24.37 | NightHawkTheSane | (which is why claudia christian didn't return for that season) |
| 03:24.45 | Shirik | and this guy is just running randomly in straight lines, stopping for a minute or so, turning in a random direction |
| 03:24.49 | Shirik | and hasn't done anything else |
| 03:24.55 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 03:25.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: nice. |
| 03:25.43 | Kirov | Shirik - heh |
| 03:25.52 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, because she was off doing porn? |
| 03:25.54 | Shirik | wait, I've heard of this guy's name before... |
| 03:26.17 | |Jelly| | Guild fails yet again on Archimonde. |
| 03:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: possibly. :P |
| 03:26.54 | Shirik | |Jelly|, we clear BT in one and a half nights (3 hour nights) and we still spend an entire night on archimonde |
| 03:27.07 | Shirik | mostly because people don't know how to pay fricking attention |
| 03:27.09 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, 5 secons with that name a google makes me wonder, thats all |
| 03:27.12 | Thunder_Child | seconds* |
| 03:27.13 | |Jelly| | Still frustrating. |
| 03:27.16 | Thunder_Child | and* |
| 03:27.18 | Kirov | |Jelly| - One of the guys in our raid was boasting about being #1 in healing for Archimonde ... we posted a link to the WWS of the fight ... 80% of his healing was to himself because he stood in fire the whole fight. |
| 03:27.19 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 03:27.20 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 03:27.27 | Kirov | (and let the main tank die in the process) |
| 03:27.31 | |Jelly| | Kirov: roflamo |
| 03:27.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: hehe, yeah. :P |
| 03:27.53 | Shirik | Kirov: That is so awesome |
| 03:28.10 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: our guild must have done archi several hundred times, and we never downed him. >< |
| 03:28.16 | Kirov | He took as much fire damage in 4 attempts as the rest of the raid combined for 12. |
| 03:28.35 | |Jelly| | I'm totally gonna do that next time. "But you faggot paladins always nut over the meters. Are you just upset that I found a way to stack it in my favor?" :P |
| 03:29.03 | Kirov | My guild is doing Kael right now |
| 03:29.25 | Kirov | They're doing it for people who need it for the ring / want the title. |
| 03:29.32 | Kirov | I have it already so I'm sitting in shat |
| 03:29.35 | |Jelly| | We're just used to being able to carry one or two people but on Arch, you simply can't. :-\ |
| 03:29.58 | Kirov | Yeah, Arch ... |
| 03:30.22 | |Jelly| | I guess I can't really complain; I can't go the ghosts on Gorefiend to save my life. |
| 03:30.30 | Kirov | lol |
| 03:30.39 | Kirov | I did it first time, and I'm a fire mage. |
| 03:30.40 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 03:30.46 | Arrowmaster | i cheat on the ghosts |
| 03:30.55 | |Jelly| | What's "fire mage" have to do with anything? |
| 03:30.56 | Arrowmaster | and use the macro to get 90% snare on 1 hit |
| 03:30.56 | Kirov | Actually, our two ice mages both fail at ghosts |
| 03:30.58 | Kalroth | Ghosts are hard! |
| 03:31.25 | Kirov | |Jelly| - I'm not a kitting class |
| 03:31.28 | Kalroth | |Jelly|: most frost mages got a clue when it comes to kiting |
| 03:31.33 | NightHawkTheSane | if you have a lot of lag/fps issues, ghosts can be real difficult |
| 03:31.34 | Kalroth | otherwise well .. :) |
| 03:31.46 | kd3 | mages period should be able to kite... that's part of the class |
| 03:31.47 | |Jelly| | Kirov: I'm a priest. :-\ |
| 03:31.47 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - hmm? |
| 03:32.01 | Arrowmaster | you can macro /cast sprit lance x3 |
| 03:32.03 | Kirov | kd3 - I'm a pve mage ... why should I kite? |
| 03:32.09 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: meh, most any class should have some concept of kiting, really. :P |
| 03:32.10 | Arrowmaster | and it stacks 3x in 1 cast |
| 03:32.14 | Arrowmaster | but does the damage of 1x |
| 03:32.15 | kd3 | you don't solo elites kirov? |
| 03:32.28 | Kirov | kd3 - as a fire mage? no |
| 03:32.38 | Kalroth | why not? |
| 03:32.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: huh, that works? |
| 03:32.40 | Kirov | w/o impact / speed |
| 03:32.42 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:32.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i never knew that, good tip. |
| 03:32.54 | Arrowmaster | or it did last time i payed attention when doing it |
| 03:33.06 | Arrowmaster | its totally broken |
| 03:33.07 | NightHawkTheSane | if i ever do gorefiend again, ill give it whirl |
| 03:33.57 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.59 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.02 | |Jelly| | ~boggle |
| 03:34.09 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.18 | NightHawkTheSane | or similar, i assume |
| 03:34.48 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:34.52 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry, hard to tell. :) |
| 03:35.24 | Kirov | just be glad he's not being fecesious... |
| 03:35.30 | |Jelly| | It didn't convey very well. |
| 03:40.59 | cog|away | man... after using Vista's start menu for a while, i'm really getting to hate XP's |
| 03:41.11 | cog|away | /flameshield |
| 03:41.47 | Kemayo | Sure -- Vista's start menu is one of the best things about it. |
| 03:42.27 | |Jelly| | Is there an addon that will list everyone attacking you? |
| 03:42.35 | Xuerian | Vista. It's like a twelve-dollar hooker. |
| 03:42.40 | Xuerian | She looks nice on the top, and is easy to use |
| 03:42.46 | Xuerian | You just come away really, really dirty. |
| 03:43.58 | Thunder_Child | some people like the dirty |
| 03:44.08 | cogwheel | i dunno... i see it more like the little kid who's really trying to do a good job at something... |
| 03:44.28 | cogwheel | even though he screws some shit up, it's good to see the direction it's heading |
| 03:44.38 | Xuerian | Know what's so ironic though, I'll probably end up using it instead of linux... just because it handles different-sized dual screens gracefully. |
| 03:45.22 | cogwheel | and then there's always cygwin to satiate some of the OSS appetite ;) |
| 03:45.27 | cogwheel | (sp?) |
| 03:46.32 | |pez| | I need to buy saltwater spray for my nose tomorrow. -__-' |
| 03:47.45 | cogwheel | |pez|: you remind me of my wife sometimes... |
| 03:47.54 | cogwheel | NeilMed? |
| 03:48.01 | |pez| | cogwheel: eeeh? |
| 03:48.15 | cogwheel | (it's a brand of saltwater nasal rinse) |
| 03:48.21 | |pez| | (oh) |
| 03:48.35 | |pez| | It'll probably be Otrisomethingsomething |
| 03:48.50 | |pez| | Otrivin is the nasty kind of nasal rinse. |
| 03:49.05 | |pez| | I shouldn't be using it too much, so salt water is the way to go. |
| 03:49.13 | |pez| | also! |
| 03:49.13 | |pez| | [05:38] <stlo> How do you create an admin account with Magento? |
| 03:49.13 | |pez| | [05:45] <|pez|> You're in the adminpanel, yes? |
| 03:49.13 | |pez| | [05:46] <stlo> what is the link? |
| 03:49.28 | |pez| | Magento is a opern source eCommerce solution btw. |
| 03:49.30 | |pez| | Quite neat. |
| 03:49.41 | |pez| | but when you don't know where your adminpanel is, you're screwed. :P |
| 03:50.07 | Nom- | awww my calendar converter app got rejected :( |
| 03:50.19 | Nom- | I'll host it under google code or something i guess |
| 03:50.26 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7435-CombatGizmo.html <-- Like an updated version of that |
| 03:50.39 | Xuerian | Mmm, snorting saltwater |
| 03:50.40 | Xuerian | fun |
| 03:51.12 | Xuerian | I rinsed with cayenne pepper once |
| 03:51.17 | Xuerian | ... got rid of the sore throat |
| 03:51.23 | Xuerian | Couldn't smell for a while tho. |
| 03:51.32 | |pez| | Xuerian: my nose is like my nemesis |
| 03:51.35 | |pez| | and I have a cold right now. :P |
| 03:52.00 | Nom- | lol someone got caught with a 0.851 BAC... wtf |
| 03:52.00 | Xuerian | lol. Not many know about the saltwater thing, but it does really help, I agree |
| 03:52.25 | Xuerian | Nom-: So did they remove the stomach-alcohol tube? |
| 03:52.38 | |pez| | menthol helps too, but it hurts after a few times. :P |
| 03:54.06 | cogwheel | brb rebooting |
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| 03:54.47 | Industrial | there we go my first 50 copper, smelting it :P |
| 03:54.59 | Industrial | .. and going to bed 6am T_T |
| 03:55.23 | |pez| | in a tutorial, should I use you in single form, or you in non-single form? |
| 03:55.27 | |pez| | I feel non-single is better |
| 03:55.34 | |pez| | actualy wait |
| 03:55.37 | |pez| | I feel single is better |
| 03:56.00 | |pez| | cause it subconsiously makes the reader think it's written to him, and him only. |
| 03:57.42 | Kalroth | agree |
| 03:58.44 | |pez| | goodgood, I noticed I was being inconsistent with the forms. :P So.. I asked to be sure which to keep and which to get rid of. |
| 03:59.00 | Thunder_Child | him/her |
| 03:59.27 | |pez| | no gender specifics |
| 03:59.46 | Kalroth | just don't use 'it', everything else is ok'ish :P |
| 03:59.55 | |pez| | haha |
| 04:00.27 | Kalroth | "It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again." :p |
| 04:00.31 | Kaso | it puts the variables into the code or it gets the hose again |
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| 04:00.43 | Kaso | mine > yours imo |
| 04:01.04 | Kalroth | You don't hose programmers, everyone knows they don't shower. |
| 04:01.18 | Diao | That's why they need the hosing, clearly. |
| 04:01.24 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: I need news to cheer me up. Please tell me the keys are in the mail. |
| 04:02.10 | Kalroth | bleeter: The keys have been invalidated. but instead you get a free user account to Velociraptor Safari. |
| 04:02.59 | Xuerian | Kalroth: In the pooper. |
| 04:03.31 | Kalroth | nn pez |
| 04:04.47 | Kaso | For some reason when my upload is saturated my download starts timing out wierdly |
| 04:05.03 | NightHawkTheSane | that's normal |
| 04:05.11 | Diao | That's how packets work |
| 04:05.13 | NightHawkTheSane | downloads need -some- upstream available |
| 04:05.19 | NightHawkTheSane | there's this whole syn/ack thing going on. :P |
| 04:05.59 | Diao | that's why you limit your upload to 80% of your max upload rate |
| 04:06.07 | Kaso | but surely the tcp of the upload should ballance out for with whatever i need for the upload |
| 04:06.22 | Arrowmaster | i have my QoS setup to prioritize SYN/ACK packets |
| 04:06.24 | Kaso | isnt tcp suppose to be friendly and not drown out other crap |
| 04:06.35 | kd3 | no |
| 04:06.37 | NightHawkTheSane | tcp doesn't really care. |
| 04:07.04 | bleeter | main priority of TCP networks is to avoid a nuclear blast |
| 04:07.07 | bleeter | or something like that |
| 04:07.17 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.8.4.zip |
| 04:07.23 | Kirov | new art! |
| 04:07.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: screeny! |
| 04:07.39 | bleeter | and I'm guessing if yer about to kiss yer ass goodbye, you want as much info to get out as quickly as possible |
| 04:07.39 | Kirov | bah |
| 04:07.42 | Iriel | One could argue that, by slowing your D/L when your U/L is saturated, TCP *IS* trying to be friendly |
| 04:07.42 | Thunder_Child | hey, incremental DL's YAY!! |
| 04:07.52 | bleeter | ~slap Iriel |
| 04:07.52 | purl | ACTION slaps Iriel, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 04:08.02 | Kaso | heh |
| 04:08.06 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - download it! |
| 04:08.30 | Diao | that would require.. downloading, then extracting |
| 04:08.32 | Kaso | Anyone know a quick way i can throttle upload in linux without having to disturb current upload stream :> |
| 04:08.59 | kd3 | http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ |
| 04:09.01 | bleeter | there's a bunch of tools that'll limit stuff for you |
| 04:09.06 | bleeter | eg that one |
| 04:10.18 | Kaso | i guess ill have to wait for this upload to finish, http download pretty much isnt working for me right now >< |
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| 04:22.09 | sancus | only for you kalroth |
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| 04:37.51 | Wobin | ps |
| 04:38.01 | Wobin | -buy- a salt water spray? |
| 04:38.12 | Wobin | can't you like... make your own/ |
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| 04:49.04 | Cairenn | so, what's the good word guys, any key sightings yet? |
| 04:49.35 | Pazza_ | im still waiting on mine |
| 04:50.57 | NightHawkTheSane | not here. :\ |
| 04:51.54 | Cairenn | bleh |
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| 04:53.49 | bleeter | Cairenn: Dell keys and WWI keys have apparently been sent, from what I'm reading in CSF |
| 04:54.20 | durcyn | blizzcon and wwi were week before last |
| 04:54.27 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:54.29 | bleeter | orly? |
| 04:54.50 | bleeter | then what's this 20+ page thread in CSF about getting more blizzcon and wwi out this week, eh? :P |
| 04:55.00 | durcyn | well, some at least :/ |
| 04:55.04 | durcyn | wanna fite about it |
| 04:55.05 | bleeter | and dell, too |
| 04:55.24 | Wobin | yay now is fighty time? |
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| 05:07.30 | Tekkub | .. that lives on the side of a now burned-down mtn |
| 05:07.38 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 05:07.43 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 05:07.54 | Tekkub | http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=97065&catid=339 |
| 05:07.58 | Wobin | Hickory smoked? Thas CRAZY |
| 05:08.00 | Tekkub | I wasn't evac'd |
| 05:09.02 | Wobin | Jesus |
| 05:09.09 | Wobin | who uses a HOSE? |
| 05:09.22 | Tekkub | retards |
| 05:09.25 | Wobin | some people have -no- idea how bushfires work |
| 05:09.41 | Tekkub | 6th Avenue Estates is the yuppie block up here on the hill |
| 05:09.53 | Wobin | I hope you have a fire box, Tek |
| 05:10.04 | Wobin | ie something you can grab and run with |
| 05:10.06 | Wobin | don |
| 05:10.19 | Tekkub | it's quite fitting, cause only they would be stupid enough to build on a dry grass mountain and think a FENCE is the best way to surround the area |
| 05:10.24 | Wobin | don't trust fireproof boxes and the like to protect your important documents |
| 05:10.39 | Tekkub | I actually don't have one |
| 05:10.45 | Tekkub | I know, I should get one |
| 05:10.47 | Wobin | you really should get one =\ |
| 05:11.07 | Wobin | one of my friends who lived down the road, their house was one of about 5 that burnt to the ground |
| 05:11.16 | Tekkub | only important thig I got are the car titles |
| 05:11.16 | Wobin | of course, the houses to either side were fine |
| 05:11.36 | Wobin | they were digging through the rubble, and the steel girders were bent like spaghetti |
| 05:11.48 | Wobin | they found a lockbox they had kept important documents and cash in |
| 05:11.52 | Wobin | intact |
| 05:12.02 | Wobin | however, inside, were little square piles of ash |
| 05:12.08 | Tekkub | yup |
| 05:12.18 | Tekkub | simple chemistry people... |
| 05:12.29 | Tekkub | get it hot enough it will combust on it's own |
| 05:14.09 | Kalroth | like chemistry, like ladies! |
| 05:14.25 | Tekkub | the whole thing was just proof of how shitty the wind is up here... it started small and they got a good line made, then the wind shifted and blew it along the line, shifted again blew id down towards houses again... |
| 05:15.02 | Tekkub | shifted again and blew it back along the line, below it... the once again blew it back onto wher it had burned, which basically put it out |
| 05:15.32 | Tekkub | and then it rained (windy shit always means a storm is coming in :) |
| 05:15.57 | Wobin | wind is the worst thing ever in a bush fire |
| 05:16.01 | Wobin | scary shit |
| 05:17.02 | bleeter | the other thing that pisses me off about the pounce stun effect, apart from subsequent swings whilst the mob is stunned being 'out of range', is stunned mobs turning 180 degrees, thus my shred's all screwed up. |
| 05:17.04 | Wobin | although the scariest thing is that a lot of the major bushfires we have here are actually purposefully lit |
| 05:17.41 | Wobin | bleeter, it's like you're a kitten |
| 05:17.45 | Wobin | you can pounce |
| 05:17.50 | Tekkub | yup, but the thing of it is, the older houses in the area are all built with the road oh the uphill side, they don't build houses on both sides... |
| 05:18.03 | Wobin | but your sense of aim leaves a lot to be desired =) |
| 05:18.09 | Tekkub | the new yuppie develorment, they want to cram in as much shit as they can |
| 05:18.13 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 05:18.19 | Tekkub | and who were the ones out with the hoses? |
| 05:19.03 | Wobin | it's like wielding a plastic garden rake |
| 05:19.09 | Wobin | against an army of tanks |
| 05:19.40 | Tekkub | you can clearly see the trails ont eh hill now :) |
| 05:20.01 | Wobin | I mean, 30-40ft high? |
| 05:20.15 | Wobin | oh yeah, hose it down, baby =P |
| 05:20.21 | Tekkub | that was when they were fanned by the wind :P |
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| 05:36.48 | Dashkal | oh well, here's hoping for a gem in the email tomorrow |
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| 05:42.10 | Cairenn | fyi: 476 - 591 went in today |
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| 05:51.36 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, i have to wonder if blizz uses any internal "bot" tools for testing purposes, and how those compare to glider.. |
| 05:52.34 | Shirik|AFK | well considering they can use all those protected APIs |
| 05:52.37 | Shirik|AFK | I wouldn't be surprised |
| 05:52.46 | Shirik|AFK | it would be fairly simple to accomplish |
| 05:55.53 | Thunder_Child | but a bot could never get into all the hijinks a person could |
| 05:56.27 | NightHawkTheSane | no, of course not, but for basic unit teting |
| 05:56.33 | NightHawkTheSane | s/tet/test/ |
| 06:01.20 | MentalPower | night all |
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| 06:02.28 | Tekkub | <3 Mike's... they got rid of the crappy "Mike's Berry" in the multipack and replaced it with "Mike's Hard Pommegranite Lemonade" |
| 06:02.34 | Tekkub | which fucking rocks |
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| 06:05.04 | Xinhuan | i wonder if |
| 06:05.26 | Cairenn | the earth is round? |
| 06:05.33 | Xinhuan | blizzard isn't going to send out author beta keys until they receive the list of authors from wowui |
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| 06:05.48 | Tekkub | why would they do dat? |
| 06:05.52 | NightHawkTheSane | that seems odd.. |
| 06:06.03 | Kirov | ping Tem amro |
| 06:06.04 | Xinhuan | it makes more sense not to send out duplicate invites |
| 06:06.13 | Xinhuan | if they went by addon author names |
| 06:06.18 | Tekkub | oh and cair, it's now been over a week, you still got that bulk box of condoms I gave you? |
| 06:06.23 | Xinhuan | rather than by site |
| 06:06.27 | Cairenn | Tekkub: :p |
| 06:06.30 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, I'm pretty sure they do some checking on that already as part of the normal process |
| 06:06.40 | Cairenn | Xinhuan: so they check the list against the ones they've already sent |
| 06:06.42 | NightHawkTheSane | So i don't think that'd be the case |
| 06:06.46 | Tekkub | or they could just check the next batch from *any* source for dups before they send that batch |
| 06:06.49 | Cairenn | they don't need to wait for them all to be in |
| 06:06.52 | Tem | Kirov, yo |
| 06:06.52 | Cairenn | *nod* ^^ |
| 06:06.56 | Tekkub | I assume they know who they've sent to |
| 06:07.05 | Xinhuan | blizz doesn't actually |
| 06:07.13 | Fisker- | oh lawd |
| 06:07.17 | Fisker- | that was just my third beta key |
| 06:07.19 | Xinhuan | since addon keys, blizz does not know who the accounts are |
| 06:07.21 | NightHawkTheSane | and, given that they know they're getting multiple batches, they'd have to do dupe checking anyway if they intend to at all, so yeah |
| 06:07.32 | Xinhuan | they only have an email addy from the addon site |
| 06:07.36 | Tekkub | but they know email and ip... |
| 06:07.41 | Cairenn | Xinhuan: according to who? |
| 06:07.49 | Kirov | Tem - http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.8.4.zip - slightly nicer art for the highlight / circle around |
| 06:08.08 | Xinhuan | cairenn, if my wowi email address is different from my wow account's email address, how would blizz associate them? |
| 06:08.08 | Tem | Kirov, zomg! |
| 06:08.12 | NightHawkTheSane | although, to be honest, if you really wanted to and cared that much, you could probably get multiple keys through multiple sites by playing the system. |
| 06:08.14 | Kirov | Also adds some sct like event text to the globes |
| 06:08.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: they don't afaik? |
| 06:08.20 | Tekkub | Cair, did you see my fuhLAMEing pics? |
| 06:08.20 | Tem | Kirov, do I need to restart? |
| 06:08.27 | Xinhuan | that's what i said/implied |
| 06:08.30 | Cairenn | and, honestly, this is why I told them to just keep it to one site again, but it doesn't surprise me that the other sites bitched about us getting them last time |
| 06:08.33 | Xinhuan | "[8/5 14:07:00] <Xinhuan> since addon keys, blizz does not know who the accounts are" |
| 06:08.34 | Kirov | Tem - yea, I added a texture. |
| 06:08.42 | Cairenn | Xinhuan: author name, not just email |
| 06:08.42 | Tekkub | http://picasaweb.google.com/Tekkub/FIREBAD |
| 06:08.49 | Kirov | Tem - you can change one line if you want to not have to restart |
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| 06:09.08 | Cairenn | Tekkub: eep fire |
| 06:09.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: pix, dammit! |
| 06:09.21 | Tem | meh, we're between hex lord and ZJ |
| 06:09.23 | Tem | I have a minute |
| 06:10.01 | Thunder_Child | lol Tekkub "firebad" |
| 06:10.22 | Xinhuan | sigh, uploading on adsl is so slow |
| 06:10.27 | Tekkub | BEER (mike's pommegranite lemonade) GOOD! |
| 06:11.08 | Xinhuan | uploaded some 2 gb of videos, taking about 2 days now |
| 06:11.18 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - download it! It really doesn't look as good ini screenshots |
| 06:11.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: i'm lazy. :( |
| 06:12.07 | NightHawkTheSane | and x-chat aqua doesn't have a "copy link" option if i right click on a url. boooo. |
| 06:12.31 | Tem | Kirov, ooooh, pretty |
| 06:12.41 | Kirov | Tem - see the event text yet? |
| 06:12.44 | Tem | yes |
| 06:12.54 | Tem | health deficit is nice |
| 06:13.00 | Tem | but I think I'd rather have totals |
| 06:13.13 | Kirov | Yeah, I don't have a % anywhere either |
| 06:13.49 | Kirov | I was thinking of putting a big %# behind the liquid |
| 06:15.03 | Xinhuan | would be cool if libincoming heals works with those orbs |
| 06:15.56 | Tem | PRETTY |
| 06:15.58 | Kirov | Xinhuan - I was thinking about that, as well as doing something that tracks hots |
| 06:16.16 | Xinhuan | like a pretty "shadow effect" that indicates what health you will be healed to |
| 06:16.26 | Kirov | The hot tracking is annoying though |
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| 06:16.54 | Xinhuan | the incoming heals lib should already take into account everything though, in the lib |
| 06:17.03 | Kirov | Xinhuan - it's already built in to the globes, and old version had it when you got a heal to show the real value you got healed to, then animated the globe filling up. |
| 06:17.11 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 06:17.11 | Kirov | It's disabled at the moment. |
| 06:17.22 | Kirov | I'll take a look at that lib. |
| 06:17.40 | Xinhuan | pitbull and grid both use that lib |
| 06:18.08 | Xinhuan | which helps to prevent healers from overlapping heals |
| 06:18.09 | Kirov | sRaidFrames too |
| 06:20.37 | Kirov | Tem - do the frames look better? |
| 06:20.45 | Tem | indeed! |
| 06:20.49 | Tem | I love the event text |
| 06:20.51 | Tem | I hadn't seen that |
| 06:21.09 | Tem | I was just seeing the mana deficit text |
| 06:21.58 | Kirov | Tem - I didn't want to do something as simple as the player frame's feedback text, so I did mini scts |
| 06:22.06 | Kirov | Was surprisingly easy |
| 06:22.11 | Tem | oh yeah? |
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| 06:28.53 | Kirov | It's just a table of font strings, each with a table of variables. I just iterate over it to find one that's not currently being animated (which I check for by if they have a elapsed variable that I nil when I'm done with it), otherwise I create a new one. |
| 06:30.03 | Kirov | then onUpdate I iterate over them and do the basic animation modified by the variables. |
| 06:30.35 | Kirov | The first 60 lines of code is all the animation code. |
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| 06:31.06 | Kirov | Then there's a 20 line combat log filter |
| 06:32.17 | Kirov | Tem - where should I put the absolute values? I've not really found a good place for them. Maybe dead center? |
| 06:32.28 | Tem | maybe so |
| 06:32.30 | Tem | not sure |
| 06:32.38 | Tem | I'm hella tired right now |
| 06:32.40 | Tem | ask me tomorrow |
| 06:32.41 | Kirov | hehe |
| 06:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Kirov: dead center, or on top/bottom of the globes seems best |
| 06:33.50 | Kirov | NightHawkTheSane - you actually download it? |
| 06:35.00 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, did you know we are going to get a copy of your balls to fondle? |
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| 06:35.12 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 06:35.24 | Kirov | hehe |
| 06:35.44 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 06:35.46 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - my fiancee seems to like them fine. |
| 06:36.23 | Xuerian | What's hit cap for destro warlocks? >_> |
| 06:37.32 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_hit#Spell_hit_rating_caps_for_level_70 |
| 06:37.43 | Xuerian | Thanks |
| 06:39.21 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, i wasnt asking |
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| 06:57.13 | NightHawkTheSane | #someindexedtable will give the number of elements in the table (assuming contiguous numeric indexes) yeah? |
| 06:57.39 | Kirov | yes |
| 06:57.39 | Elkano | should, yeah |
| 06:57.45 | ReAn | iirc it retrievs the largest indexed entry |
| 06:57.47 | Nargiddley | it will give a number so that t[#t-1] is nil |
| 06:57.56 | ReAn | so yea, assuming contiguous numeric indexes, yes |
| 06:57.59 | Nargiddley | t+1 sorry :/ |
| 06:58.46 | Kirov | I thought # is table.getn rather than table.maxn |
| 06:59.18 | Kirov | maybe not |
| 06:59.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, so if i have tablea.tableb = {}, can i do #tablea.tableb? |
| 06:59.44 | Nargiddley | yes |
| 07:00.15 | Kirov | !lua local t = {1,2,3,nil,5,nil,nil,8} print( #t .. " "..table.maxn(t).." "..table.getn(t) ) |
| 07:00.15 | batbot | Kirov: 8 8 8 |
| 07:00.17 | Kirov | hmm |
| 07:00.36 | ReAn | lua> list = {}; tinsert(list, "something"); tinsert(list, "something else"); tinsert(list, "something again"); list[2] = nil; print #list; |
| 07:00.37 | lua_bot | ReAn: luabot:1: '=' expected near '#' |
| 07:00.56 | Elkano | !lua a={b={1,2,3}}; return #a.b |
| 07:00.56 | batbot | Elkano: > 3 |
| 07:00.57 | ReAn | lua> list = {}; tinsert(list, "something"); tinsert(list, "something else"); tinsert(list, "something again"); list[2] = nil; print(#list); |
| 07:00.57 | lua_bot | ReAn: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'tinsert' (a nil value) |
| 07:01.21 | ReAn | lua> list = {}; table.insert(list, "something"); table.insert(list, "something else"); table.insert(list, "something again"); list[2] = nil; print(#list); |
| 07:01.22 | lua_bot | ReAn: 1 |
| 07:01.25 | ReAn | hrm |
| 07:01.26 | Nargiddley | lua local t = {} t[1] = 1 t[2] = 2 t[4] = 4 print(#t) t[5] = t print(t) t[100] = 100 print(#t) |
| 07:01.31 | Nargiddley | lua> local t = {} t[1] = 1 t[2] = 2 t[4] = 4 print(#t) t[5] = t print(t) t[100] = 100 print(#t) |
| 07:01.32 | lua_bot | Nargiddley: 4, table: 0x666a30, 5 |
| 07:01.46 | ReAn | there you have it Kirkburn |
| 07:01.46 | Nargiddley | bah |
| 07:01.47 | ReAn | er |
| 07:01.48 | Nargiddley | lua> local t = {} t[1] = 1 t[2] = 2 t[4] = 4 print(#t) t[5] = t print(#t) t[100] = 100 print(#t) |
| 07:01.48 | lua_bot | Nargiddley: 4, 5, 5 |
| 07:01.49 | ReAn | Kirov |
| 07:02.13 | ReAn | # is x where x+1 is the first occurance of nil |
| 07:02.23 | Nargiddley | its not always consistant, the only guarantee is that t[#t+1] is nil |
| 07:02.29 | Nargiddley | not the first |
| 07:02.38 | Kirov | ReAn - my example should of been 3 then |
| 07:02.43 | Nargiddley | i left t[3] nil and got 5 |
| 07:02.56 | Kirov | as the index 4, 6, and 7 are all nil |
| 07:02.56 | Nargiddley | but put t[100] and its still 5 |
| 07:03.15 | Elkano | !lua t={1} print(#t) t={1, nil} print(#t) t={1,nil,2} print(#t) t={1,nil,2,nil} print(#t) t={1,nil,2,nil,3} print(#t) |
| 07:03.15 | batbot | Elkano: 11315 |
| 07:03.44 | ReAn | but yes, accorfing to the original question, if you assume contiguous numerical indexing, yes |
| 07:03.50 | ReAn | according* |
| 07:04.24 | Elkano | Nargiddley, mine is even more confuding I think ^^ |
| 07:04.39 | Nargiddley | not really |
| 07:05.43 | ReAn | Elkano: from what i can tell batbot isn't seperating prints |
| 07:05.49 | ReAn | so that should be 1, 1, 3, 1, 5 |
| 07:05.53 | Nargiddley | always a number so that t[#t] is non nil, t[#t+1] is nil |
| 07:06.05 | Kirov | !lua local t = {} t[5] = 5 t[1] = 1 print( #t ) |
| 07:06.05 | batbot | Kirov: 1 |
| 07:06.14 | ReAn | ultimately #table isn't very reliable is it? |
| 07:06.23 | Kirov | !lua local t = {} t[5] = 5 t[1] = 1 print( table.maxn(t) ) |
| 07:06.23 | batbot | Kirov: 5 |
| 07:06.30 | ReAn | !lua print "bat" print "man" |
| 07:06.30 | batbot | ReAn: batman |
| 07:06.32 | Nargiddley | I think the difference is whether its internally stored as an array or dictionary |
| 07:06.36 | ReAn | hah |
| 07:06.44 | Kirov | !lua local t = {} t[5] = 5 t[1] = 1 print( table.gen( t ) ) |
| 07:06.44 | batbot | Kirov: @ [string "local t = {} t[5] = 5 t[1] = 1 print( table..."]:1: attempt to call field 'gen' (a nil value) |
| 07:06.48 | Kirov | !lua local t = {} t[5] = 5 t[1] = 1 print( table.getn( t ) ) |
| 07:06.48 | batbot | Kirov: 1 |
| 07:06.49 | Nargiddley | lua does internal voodoo to decide that so it seems random |
| 07:07.50 | Kirov | !lua local t = {1,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,nil,9} print( #t ) |
| 07:07.50 | batbot | Kirov: 10 |
| 07:08.06 | Kirov | not entirely voodoo |
| 07:08.26 | Nargiddley | not entirely, but not something you can rely on really |
| 07:08.32 | Kirov | !lua local t = {} t[1] = 1 t[10] = 10 print( #t ) |
| 07:08.32 | batbot | Kirov: 1 |
| 07:08.39 | clad|sleep | batrick: Did you get my botmail re: string.join? |
| 07:09.10 | Kirov | As long as you're using insert / remove, to modify a table, # should always return the value you expect |
| 07:09.17 | clad|sleep | ReAn: None of the table functions, or the # operator are reliable if the table you are using has violated the preconditions |
| 07:09.26 | clad|sleep | if you follow the rules, as kirov says, it will always be correct |
| 07:10.00 | Kirov | !lua local t = {} t[1] = 1 t[2] = 2 t[3]=3 t[4] = 4 print( #t ) |
| 07:10.00 | batbot | Kirov: 4 |
| 07:10.05 | Kirov | !lua local t = {} t[1] = 1 t[2] = 2 t[3]=3 t[5] = 5 print( #t ) |
| 07:10.05 | batbot | Kirov: 3 |
| 07:11.06 | Kirov | !lua ("%d%%"):format( 25.653 ) |
| 07:11.06 | batbot | Kirov: > 25% |
| 07:11.15 | Nargiddley | lua> local t = {1,2,3,4} for i = 5,10 do t[i] = 1 print(#t) end |
| 07:11.15 | lua_bot | Nargiddley: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 |
| 07:11.41 | Nargiddley | lua> local t = {1,2,3,4} for i = 6,12 do t[i] = 1 print(#t) end |
| 07:11.42 | lua_bot | Nargiddley: 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 |
| 07:12.25 | Xinhuan | it takes a gap of 2 nils to stop # from working |
| 07:13.04 | Nargiddley | not always |
| 07:13.38 | Xinhuan | always ;p you won't find a case where 2 nils in a row doesn't stop it working |
| 07:13.40 | Nargiddley | lua> local t = {1} for i = 4,10 do t[i] = 1 print(#t) end |
| 07:13.40 | lua_bot | Nargiddley: 1, 1, 1, 1, 8, 9, 10 |
| 07:13.48 | Nargiddley | theres a case |
| 07:13.50 | Xinhuan | ok.. :( |
| 07:14.14 | Xinhuan | lua must be repacking that table halfway in that loop |
| 07:14.18 | Xinhuan | as it expands its size |
| 07:14.40 | Nargiddley | yeah thats my guess |
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| 07:19.53 | Tekkub | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#226 |
| 07:20.00 | Tekkub | is it bad I find them both cute? |
| 07:20.34 | ReAn | Tekkub, i know you're all like supah cool and stuff, but which mods are you responsible for gracing us with? |
| 07:20.52 | Tekkub | too god damn many to list... |
| 07:20.58 | ReAn | name the big ones |
| 07:21.16 | Kirov | Tekkub - just point him to your code page |
| 07:21.24 | ReAn | or that >_> |
| 07:21.27 | Tekkub | shut up I was getting the link |
| 07:21.29 | Kirov | hehe |
| 07:21.32 | Tekkub | http://github.com/tekkub |
| 07:21.46 | Tekkub | that's ONLY the stuff I've touched since moving to github |
| 07:22.03 | Tekkub | there's a good number of older things that still work fine |
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| 07:22.44 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.50 | Kirov | TourGuide and ControlFreak are probably the bigger two |
| 07:24.09 | Kirov | I personally use teksloot as well, though modified |
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| 07:24.10 | ReAn | that was it! TourGuide |
| 07:24.33 | ReAn | anyway, sleepy in hopes for beta access tomorrow |
| 07:24.46 | Xinhuan | teknicolor taints the raid frame atm, and tekkompare's hover links doesn't work on talent links atm ^^ |
| 07:25.43 | Tekkub | nothing I can do about the raid frame :P |
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| 07:25.56 | Xinhuan | taint is from the friends frame u tried to color i think |
| 07:26.09 | Tekkub | it's been reported to blue, more than once I believe |
| 07:26.19 | Xinhuan | its been reported over years o_O |
| 07:26.40 | Tekkub | no... this taint started with 2e4e3 |
| 07:26.47 | Tekkub | s/e/./ |
| 07:26.51 | Tekkub | fucking qwerty |
| 07:26.55 | Xinhuan | hm, can't you not touch it until blizz fix it? |
| 07:27.10 | Tekkub | I don't raid, so I don't care you see... :) |
| 07:27.38 | Tekkub | you could like, ROLL BACK a version and just ignore the error it spawns |
| 07:27.43 | Cairenn | woohooo, starting to get reports of keys showing up guys ... |
| 07:27.43 | Kirov | Does tekSupport actually work still? |
| 07:28.02 | Xinhuan | hmm time to find a replacement addon then |
| 07:28.09 | Tekkub | hell if I know, I don't use Fu |
| 07:28.16 | Kirov | lol |
| 07:28.30 | Fisker- | Cairenn that could be opt-ins though :D |
| 07:28.51 | Tekkub | good luck Xin, last I saw I was the only person that didn't try to do assloadl of things besides basic class coloring |
| 07:28.52 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, stop bursting bubbles |
| 07:29.09 | Fisker- | i'm not bursting any bubbles |
| 07:29.22 | Fisker- | i'm just saying that they sent out opt-ins today/yesterday |
| 07:29.29 | Xinhuan | not bursting any bubbles, but i think if i revert to an earlier version, it'll probably be easiest |
| 07:29.48 | Fisker- | nahuh he was talking to me Xinhuan |
| 07:29.56 | Tekkub | you could comment out the friend bit too, it's like 3 LoC at the end I think |
| 07:30.03 | Cairenn | Fisker-: the person that said they just got their key didn't sign up for one any other way |
| 07:30.08 | Xinhuan | i'll look at it in a bit |
| 07:30.21 | Fisker- | alright |
| 07:30.28 | Fisker- | just saying :P |
| 07:30.49 | Arrowmaster | they EU? |
| 07:31.02 | Tekkub | what exactly did it taint again, the pullout? |
| 07:31.07 | zenzio | I don't have a beta key zomg |
| 07:31.13 | Fisker- | zomg |
| 07:31.22 | Xinhuan | nothing in raid panel/frame shows up at all if you open it in combat |
| 07:31.23 | Arrowmaster | some any dev was sent a key on monday we probably would have already heard about it |
| 07:31.38 | Xinhuan | Friends_Frame_OnShow or some function like that is the root cause of being tainted |
| 07:31.50 | Tekkub | didn't keys start around midnight PST last time? |
| 07:31.51 | zenzio | then again I didn't opt in or anything, so I shouldn't have one |
| 07:31.56 | Tekkub | *points at clock* |
| 07:32.39 | Xinhuan | can easily reproduce it by joining a battleground, and opening the raid pane in combat |
| 07:32.58 | Fisker- | from ob2.blizzard.com ([10.129.244.188]) by outbound.blizzard.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:14:16 -0700 |
| 07:33.15 | Xinhuan | ~kill Fisker- |
| 07:33.16 | purl | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-neutrino gun at Fisker- |
| 07:33.22 | Arrowmaster | Tekkub: oh i heard some news that will make you angry =D |
| 07:34.02 | Tekkub | blizzard is adopting Titan, unmodified, into the default UI? |
| 07:34.07 | Tekkub | TITAN"NIL and all? |
| 07:34.08 | Arrowmaster | nah |
| 07:34.12 | Tekkub | s/"/_/ |
| 07:35.13 | Arrowmaster | divx 7 will be using AVC (h264) instead of ASP (old divx/xvid) and use MKV as its container |
| 07:35.37 | Tekkub | good for it, I've used Xvid for years |
| 07:36.28 | Arrowmaster | the best part is that it means mkv support from standalone players |
| 07:36.51 | Kirov | h264 is good! |
| 07:37.30 | Arrowmaster | Kirov: tekkub likes simple things like xvid in avi over h264 in mkv |
| 07:38.03 | Fisker- | because i have to associate it with my media player |
| 07:38.04 | Tekkub | I have no issues with h264 |
| 07:39.03 | Kirov | I've been trying to get people at work to write a h264 playback plugin for consoles so we can stop using the amazingly crappy alternatives. |
| 07:39.28 | Arrowmaster | Kirov: which consoles? |
| 07:39.34 | Fisker- | snes |
| 07:39.44 | Fisker- | doesn't quite have enough power though |
| 07:40.46 | Kirov | Basically all of the video codexes for current consoles (ps2, xbox, 360, ps3, wii, gamecube) are designed around being able to run on the lowest end hardware ( ps2 ) or being used as textures w/ many of them playing at once |
| 07:41.05 | Arrowmaster | wtf? |
| 07:41.08 | Kirov | I just want full screen, high res, low artifact, low disk space |
| 07:41.19 | Arrowmaster | but h264 is part of the BD and HD-DVD standards |
| 07:41.27 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, why not want it all while your at it |
| 07:41.43 | Arrowmaster | so 360 and ps3 shouldnt have low quality players |
| 07:41.48 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - h264 is all of those. |
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| 07:42.52 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - yes, but the XBox 360's hardware h264 decoding is locked away requiring the HD-DVD addon, and the PS3's h264 decoder is very badly written in software. |
| 07:42.53 | zenzio | yeah, it's not without reason that some mobiles are looking to h264 |
| 07:43.53 | Kirov | the ps3 uses all but one of it's processors to play back h264, really only needs maybe 2 of the 6 it uses, but they designed it to play back bluray disks and don't care if nothing else can run while that's happening. |
| 07:44.04 | Arrowmaster | Kirov: does the 360 have hardware decoding in the HD-DVD drive? it does software decoding now without it |
| 07:44.23 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - The video card can do it |
| 07:44.47 | Kirov | But for some reason it requires the HD-DVD drive to actually allow access to it. |
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| 07:45.11 | Arrowmaster | no one of the dashboard updates added support for h264 in mp4 i think |
| 07:45.14 | Kirov | But yeah, one cpu is more than fast enough to decode full res h264 |
| 07:45.17 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, not it isnt, i want my 100000000000000000000x1000000000000000 res movies stored in 1 byte |
| 07:45.36 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: you're not a very good troll |
| 07:45.42 | Arrowmaster | neither one will even recognize an mkv right now |
| 07:45.59 | Tekkub | you can't get "real life" color spectrums for your pixel in 1 byte fool |
| 07:46.10 | Arrowmaster | the 360 wont even recognize the few odd wmv in mkv's i have |
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| 07:46.41 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - 1280x720 24bbp 30fps at < 5000 kbpm and still be usable == win! |
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| 07:47.14 | Kirov | With the codex I use at work right now, I have to run at 24000 kbpm to get reasonable quality |
| 07:47.47 | Kirov | Not really an issue for the PS3, but it's problematic for the 360's DVD9s |
| 07:48.18 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, not really trying to trool |
| 07:48.20 | Thunder_Child | troll* |
| 07:48.30 | Thunder_Child | just pointing out out something |
| 07:48.30 | Kirov | Especially since out of the 9gigs on a disk, games can only use ~6.8gigs because of all the crap MS requires you ship on the disk |
| 07:49.07 | Arrowmaster | ugg |
| 07:49.19 | Tekkub | ogg |
| 07:49.24 | zenzio | Theora! |
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| 07:54.02 | Kirov | Could be worse though, I guess. At least it's not Sony's fucking wondertastic required online plugin for the PS2 that uses 4 megs of the 8 megs of RAM the PS2 has |
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| 08:01.29 | batrick | cladhaire: nope |
| 08:01.52 | batrick | i never log off irc, so i wouldn't get it |
| 08:01.55 | cladhaire | the string.join implementation in lua_bot is the exact same C implementation of string.join in WoW |
| 08:02.09 | batrick | that's kinda weird |
| 08:02.14 | cladhaire | why? |
| 08:02.31 | cladhaire | table.concat({...}, "") is really expensive |
| 08:02.37 | cladhaire | string.join is a single opcode |
| 08:02.47 | cladhaire | or rather the equivalent of |
| 08:03.23 | cladhaire | what behavioural differences did you see? |
| 08:03.40 | batrick | one moment |
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| 08:05.14 | batrick | your string.join basically fills the table the same way {...} would |
| 08:05.24 | batrick | but inserts the separator manually |
| 08:05.33 | batrick | concat does that for you and more quickly? |
| 08:05.50 | cladhaire | without requiring a table |
| 08:06.25 | batrick | yours does make a table? |
| 08:06.30 | cladhaire | no |
| 08:06.35 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.39 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.42 | cladhaire | lua_insert(L, i*2 + 1); |
| 08:06.47 | cladhaire | } |
| 08:06.47 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.54 | batrick | 149 local t = {(...)} |
| 08:06.58 | batrick | I'm looking at your luabot code |
| 08:07.04 | cladhaire | don't. |
| 08:07.05 | batrick | I don't know what you are looking at :O |
| 08:07.20 | cladhaire | I'm looking at LuaWoW511 |
| 08:07.33 | batrick | well |
| 08:07.34 | cladhaire | the lua implementation you see is only there as a random measure, I didn't even write it |
| 08:07.37 | batrick | I'm sure the C code is a lot better |
| 08:07.47 | cladhaire | and its not used when luawow511 is there :P |
| 08:07.57 | cladhaire | sorry, I got confused about _where_ we were talking about |
| 08:08.07 | batrick | I was just noting your strjoin for luabot could simply be "return table.concat({...}, sep)" |
| 08:08.17 | cladhaire | ah, okay |
| 08:08.20 | cladhaire | sure :P |
| 08:09.44 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 08:09.44 | cladhaire | http://www.simplyacer.com/ACER-LU.S020A.089-426786.html |
| 08:09.48 | cladhaire | I think I want one |
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| 08:12.59 | cog|away | I can burn DVDs 3 times faster than I can copy files between HDs on vista :\ |
| 08:13.03 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 08:13.23 | cakey_ | slow pc is slow |
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| 08:13.31 | cog|away | !slow |
| 08:13.51 | cog|away | c2d E8500 (3.16ghz), 6gb ram... |
| 08:18.37 | starlon | [Ammo]: ping |
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| 09:09.06 | Cairenn | in ma belly! |
| 09:10.49 | batrick | Cairenn eated it |
| 09:11.04 | Cairenn | omnomnomnom |
| 09:11.29 | batrick | !lua 450*500 |
| 09:11.29 | batbot | batrick: > 225000 |
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| 09:30.27 | [Ammo] | starlon: pong |
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| 09:53.42 | tuxeh | Any word on if the addon author keys were not in this opt-in batch, and there's an upcoming two week wait or smt lol *needs his fix* |
| 09:56.06 | Wobin | So what's the addon for comparing equpment with your current stuff? |
| 09:56.33 | Wobin | and the one where it shows differences in stats in the tooltip? |
| 09:58.17 | Elkano | tekkompare? ratingbuster? |
| 09:58.24 | Wobin | ratingsbuster, that's the one |
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| 11:19.15 | amro | I need the simplest barmod ever conceived |
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| 11:20.04 | cncfanatics | amro: its called custom code |
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| 11:25.47 | foxlit | "Specialist Cogwheel" |
| 11:25.57 | foxlit | hey, cog, you're in the game! :) |
| 11:28.03 | Thelyna | hmm ... is it possible to make a mod to modify macros? druid friend of mine has four LB buttons, wants to be able to say "/lb 1 <playername>" to re-write his first LB button to target that player |
| 11:28.17 | Thelyna | is that possible, or are macros/mods completely seperate? |
| 11:30.49 | amro | cncfanatics: which is known as a last resort. I'd rather not waste time doing something that's been done probably better than I can do it |
| 11:31.01 | Wobin | You'd probably need an addon |
| 11:31.09 | Wobin | else it might get too difficult |
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| 11:32.53 | Thelyna | Wobin: talking to me or amro? |
| 11:33.42 | durcyn | Thelyna: you can modify macros out of combat all day long |
| 11:33.49 | Thelyna | yeah, ooc is fine |
| 11:34.15 | durcyn | take a look at IHML for examples |
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| 11:39.53 | Thelyna | thanks, I'll take a stab at it and see what I come up with |
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| 11:42.04 | Pneumatus | yeh, IHML changes a fixed-named macro depending on situations |
| 11:43.45 | Wobin | worst named addon ever =P |
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| 12:00.41 | batrick | friends just got a beta key from a "new wave of opt in beta keys" |
| 12:00.54 | batrick | kinda disappointing we still haven't gotten ours when they are giving it out to random people : / |
| 12:01.15 | zenzio | Cairenn seemed to say some people were getting theirs |
| 12:01.51 | Cairenn | but we aren't able to confirm whether they were author keys or whether they got them some other way, blizzcon, opt in, etc |
| 12:02.18 | zenzio | thought you said one of the people said he hadn't opted in or anything other than from your site? |
| 12:02.30 | Cairenn | that's what he said, but who knows :p |
| 12:02.56 | zenzio | wait now, hold on just a minute |
| 12:03.04 | zenzio | are you saying people are untruthful on the intarweb? |
| 12:03.09 | Cairenn | nevah! |
| 12:03.23 | Cairenn | just saying he may have mis-remembered |
| 12:03.36 | zenzio | ah, that would make sense |
| 12:03.58 | batrick | night |
| 12:04.04 | Cairenn | night batrick :) |
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| 12:21.54 | nevcairiel | anyone played with the new secure environment yet? I have a header that works just fine, but i cannot figure out how i'm supposed to tell that headers children the new state |
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| 12:26.55 | Elkano | is the system even final meaning is it worth spending time trying to understand it? |
| 12:27.04 | nevcairiel | I dunno |
| 12:27.25 | nevcairiel | but what i need to at least make it work now is just a way to tell the childs the new state =P |
| 12:34.11 | cncfanatics | hmmm; how to show the main menu the hard way ? |
| 12:34.15 | cncfanatics | it seems I unbound my escape key |
| 12:34.44 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 12:34.55 | cncfanatics | or it stopped working, either of those :p |
| 12:35.03 | cncfanatics | need to show main menu ^^ or just the keybindings menu |
| 12:35.21 | nevcairiel | I dont think you even can unbind that functionality |
| 12:35.32 | cncfanatics | seems you can |
| 12:35.40 | nevcairiel | i bet it broke |
| 12:35.52 | cncfanatics | escape key closes my text box fine |
| 12:35.55 | Matrix110 | you can unbind esc |
| 12:35.56 | cncfanatics | just doesn't spawn the main menu |
| 12:36.07 | nevcairiel | maybe some addon broke the main-menu opening |
| 12:36.09 | Matrix110 | I did it twice when binding in Bartender :P |
| 12:36.11 | amro | cncfanatics: /script MainMenuBar:Show() then hit the button? |
| 12:36.19 | cncfanatics | amro: true, ty :) |
| 12:36.41 | Matrix110 | had to delete the keybinding file in WTF to make it work again |
| 12:36.41 | Matrix110 | :D |
| 12:36.45 | amro | np |
| 12:37.42 | cncfanatics | worked |
| 12:37.42 | cncfanatics | it was indeed unbound, for some reason |
| 12:37.42 | cncfanatics | brb |
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| 12:57.54 | laeg | is there a mod that will help you quickly switch talent build? say if you're a warrior who likes to both prot tank but pvp arms daily |
| 13:00.27 | durcyn | Talented |
| 13:00.56 | digmouse | it saves talent profile for you |
| 13:01.11 | digmouse | how to set the font size of the item stack number? |
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| 13:05.20 | laeg | digmouse: ty |
| 13:06.22 | doow | What's the best resource for the WoW UI API? is it the one at wowwiki or is there something else out there? |
| 13:07.00 | doow | or WoW lua API even =) |
| 13:07.26 | |pez| | best resource for wow development stuff seems to be the wowwiki |
| 13:07.31 | amro | there's also one at wowprogramming.com |
| 13:07.31 | durcyn | ~wowprogramming |
| 13:07.32 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 13:07.57 | durcyn | but yeah, wowwiki's a good place to start, even if half of it is out of date |
| 13:08.16 | doow | I'll check wowprogramming out, thanks |
| 13:08.36 | |pez| | oh, i want that book 0.o |
| 13:09.00 | digmouse | laeg: i mean change the stack size number ONLY |
| 13:11.52 | |pez| | I want normal WoW collecters edition, anyone got a unused copy? :P |
| 13:15.05 | Mery | http://cgi.ebay.com/World-of-Warcraft-Collectors-Edition-unused-key_W0QQitemZ220264656271QQihZ012QQcategoryZ106453QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 13:15.30 | |pez| | Oh, I forgot. EU version. :) |
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| 13:16.55 | |pez| | I've got TBC in collectors edition, and normal edition. Found 2x collectors editions and bought them both, one for me and one for the bf... but I already had a TBC serial connected to my game. |
| 13:17.12 | Anaral | What is the support email for curseforge? The Subscribed Updates email I got this morning is unreadable. |
| 13:17.27 | Mery | http://cgi.ebay.de/World-of-Warcraft-Collectors-Edition-EU-Sealed_W0QQitemZ290250683090QQihZ019QQcategoryZ106453QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 13:17.36 | Mery | anyway i guess you can get everything on ebay lol |
| 13:17.50 | Mery | just not for the price i'd be willing to pay |
| 13:18.12 | |pez| | Defenetly not XD |
| 13:18.25 | Mery | there is even another one for 750Ć¢ĀĀ¬ buyout |
| 13:18.45 | |pez| | yeah, saw that one. |
| 13:19.04 | |pez| | eh, I'll just live happily without playing on the collectors editions.... |
| 13:19.13 | |pez| | I still want to be able to use my TBC one though. |
| 13:19.13 | Mery | :) same |
| 13:20.04 | Mery | i'd love to have that fishing chair though |
| 13:23.25 | |pez| | hehe |
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| 13:24.15 | Fisker- | |pez| you can upgrade your account to collectors |
| 13:24.37 | Fisker- | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/burningcrusade/activatepet.htm |
| 13:24.51 | |pez| | Fisker-: I've e-mailed and whatnot a long time ago, couldn't back then! |
| 13:25.19 | |pez| | Oh, that. :P |
| 13:25.21 | |pez| | Now, see. |
| 13:25.28 | |pez| | I have one TBC which is not collectors edition. |
| 13:25.31 | |pez| | and one which is. |
| 13:25.47 | |pez| | I've already got the non-collectors ed tied up to my account. |
| 13:26.03 | |pez| | But I can still do that, and get my account upgraded? |
| 13:27.50 | Josh_Borke | hrm, i want a wotlk collector's edition |
| 13:27.51 | Josh_Borke | :-/ |
| 13:28.12 | |pez| | here's a question... I'm on a channel on this irc server. and the only one with op is ChanServ... how do we fix this? :P |
| 13:28.30 | Josh_Borke | you get chanserv to op you |
| 13:28.38 | |pez| | how do I do that? |
| 13:28.42 | |pez| | :P |
| 13:28.49 | Industrial | eb an admin with chanserv on that channel |
| 13:28.51 | Industrial | be* |
| 13:28.52 | |pez| | I'm not the owner of the channel or anything. |
| 13:28.53 | Josh_Borke | are you a registered op in the channel? |
| 13:28.55 | Matrix110 | lots of needed info in wowace |
| 13:29.01 | |pez| | Nuh |
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| 13:29.07 | Josh_Borke | you are fubared :-P |
| 13:29.17 | |pez| | There's not been a oped person in that place for... ages. |
| 13:29.53 | |pez| | Is there a way I can make ChanServ tell me who's an op or not? |
| 13:31.27 | Nom- | if anyone ends up with a spare us key, i'll do ya a swapsies XD |
| 13:33.56 | laeg | digmouse: the stack size number of talents? you can't switch between two trees with it then? |
| 13:36.07 | Arrowmaster | |pez|: what network? |
| 13:36.40 | |pez| | Arrowmaster: this one. :P |
| 13:36.45 | |pez| | freenode |
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| 13:37.02 | cbreak | fun. |
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| 13:37.06 | cbreak | can we ban him? :) |
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| 13:37.17 | |pez| | Is someone mad at you guys? |
| 13:37.17 | Wobin | I thought my chat client had decided to fuck up |
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| 13:37.20 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+r] by tomaw_ |
| 13:37.28 | cbreak | just set this channel as moderated. |
| 13:37.36 | Anaral | Wow |
| 13:37.38 | tomaw_ | that will stop unregistered clients from joining |
| 13:37.41 | |pez| | Then I can't speak, now can I? |
| 13:37.47 | haste | you can |
| 13:37.51 | tomaw_ | you can, and are :) |
| 13:37.51 | |pez| | Oho, yay |
| 13:37.57 | |pez| | Yay! |
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| 13:38.00 | jamesfff | they are talking in fucking bullshit "code" right? |
| 13:38.00 | Wobin | Thanks tomaw_ =) |
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| 13:38.05 | Arrowmaster | tomaw_: i think they prefered it +R in here last time this happened |
| 13:38.17 | nevcairiel | +R still gets you join spam |
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| 13:38.25 | Matrix110 | god this spamming is so pointless |
| 13:38.26 | nevcairiel | but Cairenn|afk can fix it if she wants :) |
| 13:38.36 | jamesfff | anyone heard of glider? |
| 13:38.40 | Anaral | Yeah but they can't spam text which is almost more annoying. |
| 13:38.43 | jamesfff | some fucked up shit |
| 13:38.51 | Wobin | Hehe, the freenode staff are out in force |
| 13:38.55 | Wobin | Goooo freenode! |
| 13:38.56 | tomaw_ | +R would stop jamesfff speaking though ;) |
| 13:39.24 | jamesfff | Forget being registered, i'm a ghost, a drifter. all out bad ass? meh maybe not the last bit |
| 13:39.25 | jamesfff | or the first |
| 13:39.36 | Wobin | Are you talkin about Shaft? |
| 13:40.16 | cbreak | they could have at least spammed pseudo text |
| 13:40.17 | Nom- | yay for someone excercisng their botnet |
| 13:40.18 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 13:40.24 | cbreak | that random stuff can be spotted a mile away |
| 13:40.30 | Josh_Borke | hm, why not use +J 2,1? |
| 13:40.59 | nevcairiel | Josh_Borke: i did that on wowace for a while, slowed them down, but didnt stop it |
| 13:41.03 | nevcairiel | so kinda pointless ;) |
| 13:41.30 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:41.37 | Wobin | They could have spammed randomly connected words |
| 13:41.45 | jamesfff | so er why are they joining again? |
| 13:41.47 | Wobin | and we would think it normal |
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| 13:42.01 | jamesfff | not got anything better to do? |
| 13:42.23 | Matrix110 | that might be it |
| 13:42.49 | jamesfff | If i had a botnet i'd do better than going into someone fugging irc channel |
| 13:43.23 | jamesfff | i'd be trying to blackmail some people, or be a hired gun, man i'd wanna make some money. not just flood some random irc channel lololol. But alas I'm not an internet pirate |
| 13:43.25 | Wobin | Maybe they're testing it |
| 13:43.47 | Wobin | You don't want to setup a whole blackmail scheme with ninjas and pirates, only to have a flaccid botnet |
| 13:44.55 | jamesfff | I hardly call spamming IRC test :) |
| 13:45.13 | jamesfff | I'd take down the gov'ment |
| 13:45.33 | Josh_Borke | riiiight |
| 13:45.54 | doow | that's a badass botnet that can take down the government =) |
| 13:46.07 | Wobin | Will it wear a white mask? |
| 13:46.12 | Wobin | and speak in rhyming couplets? |
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| 13:46.33 | cbreak | oh great, someone is trying to spamm #lua too |
| 13:46.38 | Wobin | ... |
| 13:46.41 | Josh_Borke | wow |
| 13:46.51 | Wobin | man, talk about controversial |
| 13:46.57 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 13:47.02 | cbreak | with limited success. |
| 13:47.03 | Arrowmaster | its +R |
| 13:47.51 | jamesfff | LUA faq sucks, surely top on the list should be "WTF IS LUA?" |
| 13:48.07 | krka | jamesfff: You shouldn't capitalize Lua like that :( |
| 13:48.16 | Wobin | It makes krka a sad panda |
| 13:48.19 | Josh_Borke | indeed |
| 13:48.28 | jamesfff | I don't know what im doing, if i knew what it was then maybe I could :) |
| 13:48.30 | Josh_Borke | if you do it enough, saying LUA will make him an angry panda |
| 13:48.43 | Wobin | Really? Just saying LUA, eh? |
| 13:48.55 | Arrowmaster | fail |
| 13:48.57 | Arrowmaster | hes has flood protection |
| 13:49.20 | Arrowmaster | you guys should know that by now |
| 13:49.37 | Wobin | s'true |
| 13:49.38 | Lanerra | Is haste here, by chance? |
| 13:49.43 | haste | yes |
| 13:49.57 | Lanerra | I had a quick question about Fane if you have a second |
| 13:49.58 | jamesfff | hell haste no fury |
| 13:50.18 | Lanerra | I was wondering why the "Combat Log" tab text always seems larger than the "General" tab text |
| 13:50.37 | cbreak | Combat Log is a longer word |
| 13:50.43 | cbreak | so the tab it is in has to be wider |
| 13:50.49 | cbreak | if you mean that? |
| 13:51.15 | Lanerra | I was just wondering if there was a way to equalize the font size of the tab text so they both appear to be the same size |
| 13:52.06 | haste | Lanerra: you could run math.floor(size + .5) if you have an font add-on that does scaling |
| 13:52.20 | haste | but they should be the same size |
| 13:53.28 | Lanerra | Hmmm...alright, I'll have to play around with that once the server is up. I don't know if it's an optical illusion or what, but "General" always seems to be a smaller font than "Combat Log" |
| 13:54.11 | Lanerra | Thanks :) |
| 13:57.53 | Anaral | How do I change the catagory of my addon on WoWInterface? When I first uploaded it, I didn't see the option to put it under Tooltip. And that's exactly what it is. |
| 13:58.47 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 13:58.47 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 13:59.09 | jamesfff | Does wow use lua |
| 13:59.15 | jamesfff | i remember lua files in the directory somewhere |
| 13:59.26 | Josh_Borke | Anaral: send a PM to Cairenn on wowi about it with a link to the addon and what category you want it to be in |
| 13:59.30 | Josh_Borke | jamesfff: yes |
| 13:59.38 | Anaral | Thank ye |
| 14:02.52 | jamesfff | How would i declare my self immortal in Lua? |
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| 14:04.29 | |pez| | Ok, there's someone telling me it's not possible to do seamless migration of a online store. -___- |
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| 14:06.38 | Mikk | jamesfff: self.immortal = true |
| 14:06.49 | jamesfff | awesome. thats my new guild name. |
| 14:07.02 | jamesfff | |pez| : says who? :) |
| 14:08.01 | |pez| | says some person over at #magento |
| 14:10.08 | jamesfff | Depends how much DB change you have really |
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| 14:16.51 | jamesfff | |pez| : you planning on a migration or something? |
| 14:17.01 | |pez| | No, I'm just saying it's possible. |
| 14:17.07 | |pez| | without downtime. |
| 14:17.17 | Mikk | Are you moving the domain name? |
| 14:17.26 | jamesfff | Yeah totally, if you have a brain and a clue, everything is possible :) |
| 14:17.27 | Mikk | Erm switching IPs I mean |
| 14:17.33 | |pez| | Mikk: I wouldn't move the domain. |
| 14:17.44 | jamesfff | and ryan bloke doesn't think it's possible? |
| 14:17.46 | jamesfff | meh |
| 14:17.50 | |pez| | you might need a man or two to look at the backend of the other store, but it would be the same workload anyway. |
| 14:18.09 | |pez| | I need to run, picking up the boyfriend, as said before. |
| 14:18.10 | Mikk | Well.. you're gonna get a wee bit of funkiness with people shopping just as the DNS switches over |
| 14:18.25 | |pez| | Mikk: Slap up a warning. |
| 14:18.30 | Mikk | So 100.000% seamless would be hard to achieve |
| 14:18.33 | |pez| | "if you lost your cart, go again!" |
| 14:18.42 | Mikk | Aye but then it's not seamless =) |
| 14:18.55 | |pez| | you'd have to be unlucky for it to happen. |
| 14:19.03 | Mikk | Nah, it's almost guaranteed to happen |
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| 14:19.16 | jamesfff | Actually it's not that hard. You take a copy of your database and place it on another server. You pause the site and do a sync then between old - > new. Then you tell the existing front end to point to the new DB thats the first part |
| 14:19.29 | jamesfff | Depending on how much data you need to sync that could be scripted to take 1 second. |
| 14:19.30 | Codex| | so i have 2 addons uploaded at wowi, but the beta.pbp site still says "you must be an addon author" |
| 14:19.32 | Codex| | any ideas? |
| 14:19.41 | Mikk | jamesfff that's a good idea there tbh |
| 14:20.15 | jamesfff | So then you make a DNS change or whatever, so what if customers hit the old or new site, they are identical and hitting the same DB. doesn't matter |
| 14:20.32 | Mikk | Myeah the only difference would be people hitting the old site being a bit laggier |
| 14:20.44 | Wobin | Of course, the chances of that occuring without a problem are probably around 70% =) |
| 14:20.47 | jamesfff | Yeah depends what kind of latency you have but even 100ms on a DB query is that bad |
| 14:21.05 | Mikk | Wobin also has a good point =) |
| 14:21.08 | Codex| | anyone successfully got their wowi beta addon key? |
| 14:21.09 | jamesfff | Because the likelhood is that your page load is gonna take half a second at least, so 100ms mixed inside that is fine |
| 14:21.13 | Mikk | Human factor ftl :) |
| 14:21.24 | Mikk | But yeah it should be possible doing it the way you describe |
| 14:21.33 | Wobin | damnit |
| 14:21.35 | Wobin | I have a new book |
| 14:21.39 | Wobin | but it's past midnight |
| 14:21.42 | Wobin | if I start reading it |
| 14:21.43 | Mikk | Hahaaaa |
| 14:21.49 | Wobin | I will not go to bed before 6 |
| 14:21.49 | Mikk | Yeah toss it aside for now |
| 14:21.54 | jamesfff | I've moved sites during the middle of the trading day that are doing serious $$$, proper planning is all you need |
| 14:22.03 | Mikk | Books suck hard for sleep |
| 14:22.24 | Fisker- | yeah |pez| you can still do that |
| 14:22.37 | jamesfff | Had to pause a site once, so we did a bit of code on the load balancers that let existing users continue to browse/complete payments whilst new users were redirected to a splash page that said "back in 5 minutes" |
| 14:22.54 | jamesfff | So no payments lost and no frustrated customers :) |
| 14:24.55 | Wobin | ... eee |
| 14:25.00 | Wobin | Street View is freaky |
| 14:25.32 | jamesfff | Dont tell me, you just found a picture of yourself in the window jerking off to beast porn ? |
| 14:25.46 | Wobin | <.< |
| 14:25.48 | Wobin | >.> |
| 14:25.50 | Wobin | no. |
| 14:26.31 | jamesfff | Ok just a guess |
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| 14:29.43 | Vilkku | is it possible to change the color of OUTLINE? |
| 14:37.53 | Tem | negative ghostrider |
| 14:48.01 | Nom- | I so hope the beta keys all come through this week |
| 14:48.15 | Nom- | I don't look forward to another weekend with nothing to to but actual work |
| 14:56.19 | Mikk | Sigh. I just got a beta key from blizzard. |
| 14:56.27 | Mikk | As in via the random optin stuff. |
| 14:56.51 | End | ol |
| 14:56.54 | End | ack |
| 14:57.02 | End | what I mean to say is: lol |
| 14:57.20 | Nom- | Mikk: You're not signed up for the addon key ? |
| 14:57.48 | Mikk | I am |
| 14:57.58 | Mikk | That's the sigh bit |
| 14:58.24 | Tem | well, mikk, you now have an extra key for a friend :) |
| 14:59.00 | Pneumatus | i had to beg mine from a friend of a friend, no sign of any opt-in or author keys |
| 14:59.24 | Mikk | Aye except I regged both with the same email... so either I won't get the second one, or if I get one, I'll be too afraid to give it to someone since it becomes trackable :S |
| 14:59.39 | Mikk | Pneumatus: author keys should be arriving shortly |
| 14:59.50 | Nom- | Mikk: US ? |
| 14:59.57 | Mikk | Both |
| 15:00.15 | kagaro | source? |
| 15:00.15 | Nom- | If you end up with a spare US key, I'll take it and ya can have my US author key when it arrives XD |
| 15:00.24 | Mikk | source = cai.renn |
| 15:00.33 | Mikk | sec, digging up url |
| 15:00.39 | Nom- | I'm in yesterday's batch, so not likely to get it until late this week |
| 15:00.50 | Wobin | I guess I should sign up for an author key |
| 15:00.57 | Wobin | =\ |
| 15:00.58 | Pneumatus | i was in the first batch, i believe |
| 15:01.15 | Wobin | I don't think I'd do much with it though |
| 15:01.22 | Wobin | except log in, check my addons work |
| 15:01.24 | Wobin | then log out =P |
| 15:01.43 | Wobin | I don't want to level or anything, cause you have to start all over again on launch |
| 15:01.55 | Mikk | Aye I'm in no way interested in playing |
| 15:02.15 | Mikk | Well maybe create a DK :o) |
| 15:02.28 | Wobin | yeah, that'd be about it =) |
| 15:02.28 | Pneumatus | Cairenn said the first batches went on the 29th, has there been an update since? |
| 15:02.46 | Mikk | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17207 |
| 15:02.55 | Mikk | "Hopefully you will see your key within the week, but neither we nor Blizzard are making any promises on that count." |
| 15:03.09 | Mikk | And yeah it's been about a week |
| 15:03.28 | Nom- | it was a week yesterday :) |
| 15:03.33 | Nom- | but as they say... no guranatees |
| 15:04.17 | Mikk | Speaking of weeks and months... useless fact of the day: Did you know that August originally had 30 days? However, they could not tolerate that emperor Augustus' month was shorter than Julius Caesar's month, so they borrowed a day from February and put it in August. |
| 15:04.30 | Nom- | I suspect, however, that the author keys are just being spat through the same system as the normal beta keys |
| 15:04.35 | Nom- | i may be wrong.. but yeah... |
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| 15:12.04 | Vilkku | hmmh |
| 15:12.08 | Vilkku | problem: |
| 15:12.23 | Wobin | can someone +r #dongle? |
| 15:12.26 | Vilkku | I want to set my text to have a golden outline instead of the normal black one |
| 15:12.39 | Vilkku | using PINGY_MSG_NewLeader:SetShadowColor("1.0", "0.82", "0.06", "1.00") |
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| 15:14.18 | Vilkku | it's still black tho |
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| 15:16.30 | Wobin | night all |
| 15:16.45 | Wobin | PS http://www.morefishthanman.com/2008/06/19/wanted/ |
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| 15:20.51 | Mery | does somebody know ho wi add a texture to a mesh in 3ds max? |
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| 15:23.14 | Mery | anybody* |
| 15:26.33 | ckknight | Mery: you tried the latest Cart3, to see if the waypoint dealy is still messed up? |
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| 15:26.57 | Mery | delay? |
| 15:27.06 | Mikk | "b. You agree that you shall not, under any circumstances, [...] (v) Create, reproduce, distribute, display or otherwise make available screen shots or videos depicting the Game or any element thereof without the prior written consent of Blizzard." |
| 15:27.10 | Mikk | ^ WotLK ToU |
| 15:27.34 | Fisker- | so wut Mikk ? |
| 15:27.54 | Mikk | wowwiki? |
| 15:28.01 | Fisker- | ? |
| 15:28.18 | Mikk | Terms of use for beta: "Don't distribute screenshots or vidcaps" |
| 15:28.25 | Mikk | Noone else seeing a problem? |
| 15:28.31 | Mikk | This is OPEN beta. Current version. |
| 15:28.45 | Fisker- | without the prior written consent of Blizzard. |
| 15:29.16 | Mery | one would guess that's a leftover form the alppha, but who knows |
| 15:29.21 | Fisker- | probably |
| 15:29.26 | Fisker- | but we still have written consent |
| 15:29.32 | Fisker- | People should just l2Agreements |
| 15:29.35 | Fisker- | just like the NDA bullshit |
| 15:29.41 | Fisker- | posting the NDA itself was a breach of NDA |
| 15:30.57 | Mikk | Where's the written consent? |
| 15:30.57 | |pez| | ok, I'm baaack |
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| 15:31.47 | Fisker- | forums Mikk |
| 15:31.57 | Pneumatus | whisperfloods ftl |
| 15:32.25 | Mery | ckknight: what exactly do you mean by delay? |
| 15:32.38 | ckknight | dealy, not delay |
| 15:33.02 | ckknight | basically a synonym of "thing" |
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| 15:34.34 | cogwheel | umm... how do i report PM spam? |
| 15:34.44 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 15:34.46 | nevcairiel | you too? |
| 15:34.59 | nevcairiel | ask Dave2 or tomaw_ |
| 15:35.01 | cogwheel | screw this |
| 15:35.30 | Josh_Borke | poor cog |
| 15:36.07 | Mery | if i could only see if or what i type, gotta restart |
| 15:36.20 | Mery | ckknight: the waypoint worked just fine |
| 15:36.30 | ckknight | cool |
| 15:36.37 | ckknight | well, I want a bit more testing before I tag it |
| 15:36.56 | Mery | let someone else try it too :) |
| 15:37.02 | Pneumatus | just change nick momentarily if you get PM spam |
| 15:39.04 | Mery | i tried making a more complicated arrow, but oi can't get wow to light it properly http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8476/arrowtestcr7.jpg |
| 15:39.46 | Seerah | cogwheel: I got it, too |
| 15:39.50 | Seerah | wasn't sitting here, though |
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| 15:40.07 | |pez| | I'm glad I'm not a famous person |
| 15:40.17 | Daedals | auugghh still no beta keys? |
| 15:40.21 | Seerah | oh, he left :P |
| 15:40.34 | Mery | well at least i got a mesh to show up in wow :) alot further than last time |
| 15:43.13 | Nom- | hhahaha |
| 15:43.18 | Nom- | "Diablo III - Now with pants" |
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| 15:43.40 | cncfanatics | anyone could help me setup irssi as a proxy for irc ? |
| 15:43.43 | Nom- | " ... Although I will say the pitch that I originally did, once we decided what we were going to do, said .Diablo III . now with pants.. Because we added a pants slot." |
| 15:43.45 | cncfanatics | I'm a bit lost at how to do that |
| 15:43.59 | nevcairiel | lol Nom-, thats awesome |
| 15:48.49 | Anaral | I really wish Firefox would separate the addons that don't work with 3. |
| 15:50.59 | Nom- | *nod* |
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| 16:11.57 | Vilkku | Shirik, says |TInterface\TargetingFrame\UI-RaidTargetingIcon_1:0|t |
| 16:11.59 | Vilkku | but that gives error |
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| 16:12.35 | Vilkku | correction,doesn't give error |
| 16:12.35 | Vilkku | it just sends the line of text |
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| 16:12.35 | |pez| | I will grumble loudly. |
| 16:12.35 | Shirik | uh, what error? |
| 16:12.35 | Shirik | what code did you write? |
| 16:12.50 | Shirik | Vilkku, where did you type this |
| 16:12.50 | Vilkku | umm |
| 16:12.50 | Shirik | and what did you type |
| 16:12.50 | Vilkku | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("|TInterface\TargetingFrame\UI-RaidTargetingIcon_1:0|t"); |
| 16:12.50 | Shirik | and you did this in the chat window |
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| 16:12.52 | Nom- | Quality netsplit :/ |
| 16:12.52 | Shirik | you can't use | in the chat window |
| 16:12.52 | Shirik | You have to use \124 if you want to ddo it from the chat window |
| 16:12.52 | Shirik | the chat window automatically converts | to || for relatively obvious reasons |
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| 16:12.52 | Nom- | \| you mean ? |
| 16:12.53 | Shirik | no, I mean || |
| 16:12.53 | Shirik | actually, that brings up another point Vilkku |
| 16:12.53 | Shirik | your \ needs to be \\ |
| 16:12.53 | Vilkku | ICON_LIST[2] .. "0\124t" that also works, did a bit of googling, sorry to bother |
| 16:12.54 | |pez| | How do I get ChanServ into a new channel? :P |
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| 16:12.54 | |pez| | and make me a admin? :P |
| 16:12.54 | Shirik | what channel? |
| 16:12.54 | Shirik | If you're not an op there already it's likely registered to someone else |
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| 16:12.54 | |pez| | the channel is as far as I know, not really registered. |
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| 16:12.56 | End | try /msg chanserv info #channename |
| 16:12.56 | Fisker- | if you do not have op then chanserv is not opping you because it's already registered |
| 16:12.56 | End | see if it tells you anything |
| 16:12.56 | Fisker- | you will always have op in a channel not registered |
| 16:12.56 | Seerah | grrrr |
| 16:12.57 | Fisker- | if you are the only one there that is |
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| 16:13.16 | |pez| | Fisker-: nooo. :P we've droppet out, and came back in again, and then people don't have op. |
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| 16:13.43 | Shirik | probably due to the netsplit |
| 16:13.43 | Shirik | does someone own the channel?: |
| 16:13.44 | |pez| | No, no one owns the channel. I checked. |
| 16:13.44 | |pez| | it's not registered with anyone. |
| 16:13.45 | Shirik | then register it |
| 16:13.45 | Shirik | otherwise you're going to have a lot of problems in the near future :P |
| 16:13.45 | Seerah | hi Dave2 |
| 16:13.45 | Dave2 | hello |
| 16:13.45 | |pez| | I need to shove the people out first, so I can rejoin and become an op. :P |
| 16:13.45 | Shirik | no you don't |
| 16:13.45 | Shirik | just register it |
| 16:13.45 | |pez| | Chanserv told me I need to be an OP in the channel |
| 16:13.45 | Shirik | really? |
| 16:13.46 | |pez| | reallyreally. |
| 16:13.46 | End | I'm not surprised |
| 16:13.46 | End | that's why you don't wait to register it ;-p |
| 16:13.46 | Shirik | yeah ^ |
| 16:13.46 | Shirik | well then convince everyone to leave :) |
| 16:13.46 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 16:13.46 | |pez| | do we have any serverwide opers who can come into the channel and use irc server magic on me? :P |
| 16:13.46 | Fisker- | i have sex leg |
| 16:13.46 | Seerah | so I'm guessing more people than just me are getting grief today |
| 16:13.46 | Shirik | having chanserv join won't really help you |
| 16:13.46 | End | that's ok, I have sax lag |
| 16:13.46 | Fisker- | please mail me your authenticator and your account name and password |
| 16:13.47 | nevcairiel | |pez|: we tried that with a channel we lost, they refused to do it =( |
| 16:13.47 | Fisker- | and i'll show you sex leg |
| 16:13.47 | Shirik | |pez|, Dave2 will probably kill me for saying this but he's an op, but I'm not sure he's willing to do that |
| 16:13.47 | Shirik | I wouldn't, tbh |
| 16:14.01 | |pez| | it's a channel with ... 4 people, tops. |
| 16:14.01 | |pez| | for now anyway. |
| 16:14.01 | Shirik | convince them to leave :D |
| 16:14.02 | |pez| | I'm trying to, they're idling. :P |
| 16:14.02 | Shirik | DoS them |
| 16:14.02 | End | haha\ |
| 16:14.02 | Shirik | kidding, please don't do that |
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| 16:14.40 | |pez| | Ok, one left! |
| 16:15.59 | Shirik | and register the channel! |
| 16:15.59 | Shirik | (ffr) |
| 16:15.59 | |pez| | if I use the ChanServ op usernamehere command, will ChanServ autoOp folks? |
| 16:16.12 | Shirik | only if you set their userlevel to autoop |
| 16:16.12 | |pez| | Ok |
| 16:16.55 | |pez| | there's one person left. :P after that the channel is mii... ours. *cough* |
| 16:17.08 | Shirik | /cs help flags and /cs flags #channel |
| 16:17.23 | Shirik | +O for auto-op |
| 16:17.23 | Shirik | +o for permit cs op |
| 16:17.36 | |pez| | cs = chanserv I'm guessing? :P |
| 16:17.55 | Shirik | /cs is a valid server command |
| 16:18.02 | Shirik | and yes |
| 16:18.09 | zenzelezz | just like /ns |
| 16:18.16 | |pez| | hehe |
| 16:18.45 | Shirik | whether or not your client supports it and/or translates unknown client commands into server commands is open to debate |
| 16:18.48 | |pez| | I don't have much experience with these kind of things, but I'd like to have some controll, incase stuff like what happened earlier here today. |
| 16:19.00 | Shirik | if you want control, register the channel :) |
| 16:19.06 | |pez| | I am working on it. |
| 16:19.15 | |pez| | Need to boot out the last person. :P |
| 16:19.24 | Seerah | |pez|: I r not so smart either |
| 16:20.06 | |pez| | and also, sorry about the sentance above(longerish one) it's horrible in every possible way. |
| 16:23.43 | |pez| | Ok, I think it's done XD |
| 16:23.48 | |pez| | it's registered to me atleast. |
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| 16:27.05 | End | what? /cs and /ns aren't really server commands so much as aliases for sending messages to chanserv and nickserv |
| 16:27.22 | Nom- | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9979-ComeHere.html <-- best addon ever |
| 16:27.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 16:28.15 | cncfanatics | anyone can suggest me a buff mod ? i basicly just need to move the blizz ones around and customize them a bit |
| 16:28.27 | nevcairiel | customize how? |
| 16:28.29 | nevcairiel | moving is trivial |
| 16:28.59 | Nom- | cncfanatics: Elk Buff Bars |
| 16:29.16 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: mostly changing how the timer shows |
| 16:29.27 | cncfanatics | and highlighting the outside frame based on dispell type |
| 16:29.27 | Nom- | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5101-ElkanosBuffBars.html <-- best addon ever imo |
| 16:29.34 | cncfanatics | thats bars |
| 16:29.35 | cncfanatics | I want icons |
| 16:29.36 | Nom- | best BUFF addon |
| 16:29.44 | Elkano | ^^ though it doesn't do what he want (yet) |
| 16:29.46 | cncfanatics | I want icons, not bars |
| 16:29.47 | Nom- | hmm there's plenty out there |
| 16:29.52 | ckknight | what's the best way to get a full framexml dump of the current WotLK beta? |
| 16:29.59 | ckknight | Addon Kit doesn't seem to want to work |
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| 16:30.38 | cncfanatics | ckknight: extract it from the mpq using an mpq extractor |
| 16:30.44 | Seerah | cnc: Bollo |
| 16:30.57 | ckknight | so does anyone have a full framexml dump of beta that I can download? |
| 16:30.58 | ckknight | :-P |
| 16:31.08 | Nom- | hmm... this looke an awful lot like Elk BuffBars: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9798-SimpleBuffBars.html |
| 16:31.28 | Nom- | oh well nvm |
| 16:31.53 | Seerah | Nom-: it does, but it's different |
| 16:32.06 | Seerah | ck: what do you mean it doesn't work? |
| 16:32.37 | Mery | wowcompares.com ? |
| 16:32.58 | Seerah | ck: did you put the .exe in the beta folder? |
| 16:33.34 | ckknight | Seerah: I did |
| 16:33.38 | ckknight | well, the .app |
| 16:33.56 | Xinhuan | my "MyWarcraftStudio" works perfectly for opening any MPQ file |
| 16:34.14 | Seerah | ck: worked fine for me just now |
| 16:34.28 | Seerah | do you have the latest version of the addon kit? |
| 16:34.38 | Nom- | cncfanatics: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6884-SatrinaBuffFrames2.html |
| 16:34.45 | Xinhuan | which is highly useful since you do often want to extract out some of the ingame graphics/sounds/textures |
| 16:34.49 | Xinhuan | and not just the framexml |
| 16:35.08 | Seerah | Xinh: addonkit does those, too |
| 16:35.19 | Seerah | well, not sounds |
| 16:35.19 | ckknight | ~framexml |
| 16:35.20 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 16:35.26 | Gnarfoz | btw working buff modification addon for wotlk :\ using Visor to move the blizz frames just doesn't cut it :\ |
| 16:35.41 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: just use any existing ones? |
| 16:35.42 | Xinhuan | well in this case, MyWarcraftStudio is just like WinMPQ, just much better |
| 16:35.50 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: yeah... no? because none of them work. |
| 16:35.53 | Xinhuan | can extract any file |
| 16:35.54 | Nom- | Gnarfoz: Does Elk BuffBars work? |
| 16:36.00 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: perhaps for you :) |
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| 16:36.04 | Xinhuan | WoWModelViewer even lets you view the .m2 and .wmo files |
| 16:36.13 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: yeah, your personal wow build still features PlayerBuff(), right? |
| 16:36.18 | Xinhuan | although MyWarcraftStudio doesn't preview those.. only the .blp ones |
| 16:36.21 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: yes. |
| 16:36.30 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: oh, great, do share ;p |
| 16:36.31 | Seerah | Gnarfoz: buff handling has been changed. if it's been updated to work, then it will |
| 16:36.35 | Seerah | ;) |
| 16:36.42 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: thanks for that insight, DUH >_> |
| 16:36.43 | foxlit | http://foxlit.pastey.net/93147 |
| 16:37.08 | Gnarfoz | I've been trying to fix Buffalo, but it breaks apart after gaining and losing one buff :\ |
| 16:38.09 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: yeah, no, because that's not part of your wow build, but... I'll try that :( |
| 16:38.53 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 16:39.16 | Gnarfoz | and could some "correct use of code" nerd please flame that kind of usage of select()? I'm too indifferent to do it ;p |
| 16:39.27 | Gnarfoz | ~hug foxlit |
| 16:39.28 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on foxlit and suddenly hugs foxlit tightly |
| 16:39.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Codex| (i=Codex_@bas2-guelph22-1279592716.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 16:39.44 | Codex| | since when do we need to be identified to join this chan? |
| 16:40.15 | Codex| | ~seen Cairenn|afk |
| 16:40.26 | purl | cairenn|afk is currently on #wowuidev (29m 17s) #wowace (29m 17s) #wowwiki (29m 17s), last said: 'http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1806&d=1217625840 <== Cortona in relation to Convention Center'. |
| 16:40.45 | Gnarfoz | Codayus: my guess would be "recent spam bot attack" or something. |
| 16:41.15 | foxlit | I don't think there's anything objectionable about that kind of select use :) |
| 16:41.20 | Codex| | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.34 | Codex| | so wowi is still aying im not an addon authoron the beta.php site |
| 16:41.40 | Codex| | when i have 2 addons up right now :/ |
| 16:42.14 | Mery | which categoy are your addons in? |
| 16:42.37 | Codex| | communication/chat and rofl/misc |
| 16:42.48 | Codex| | let me double check, actually |
| 16:42.56 | Codex| | oh, both are in " |
| 16:42.56 | Codex| | Mini Games/ROFL" |
| 16:43.07 | Codex| | but they are real addons! |
| 16:43.13 | Mery | because rofl doesn't count, you need to talk to cai.renn and she decides if they are good enough |
| 16:43.29 | Mery | well donesn't count automatically |
| 16:43.30 | Codex| | aww shucks |
| 16:43.49 | Codex| | they are really cool too- simonsays imitates any target player in any chat channel saying what they say |
| 16:43.53 | Codex| | :P |
| 16:44.02 | Mery | they decide on a case by case basis |
| 16:44.04 | Codex| | its useful, i swear! |
| 16:44.07 | Codex| | oh ok |
| 16:45.04 | ckknight | is anyone here in Warhammer and interested in making mods for it? |
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| 16:47.52 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 16:47.53 | purl | pong |
| 16:48.22 | Atriace | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 16:48.23 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowprogramming (35m 50s) #wowuidev (35m 50s) #wowace (35m 50s) #curseforge (35m 50s). Has said a total of 46 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: 'all for you!'. |
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| 16:49.09 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v cogwheel] by ChanServ |
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| 16:49.29 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
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| 16:50.24 | [dRaCo] | #2 |
| 16:50.33 | cogwheel | moo |
| 16:52.13 | Nom- | iTunes is better than Winamp now |
| 16:52.22 | Nom- | Winamp is complete bloatware nowadays |
| 16:52.26 | Dashkal | No argument there |
| 16:52.32 | nevcairiel | foobar imho |
| 16:52.45 | Dashkal | I've actually got nothing against iTunes. I just decided to go simpler. |
| 16:52.56 | Dashkal | VLC + shuffle is enough |
| 16:53.18 | Atriace | Well... vlc is simpler. |
| 16:53.23 | cncfanatics | rhytmbox > all |
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| 16:53.29 | cncfanatics | sucks its only for linux though |
| 16:53.38 | Dashkal | cncfanatics: truth |
| 16:53.39 | durcyn | meh, balls to any media player that tries to overlay some library crap on top of my filesystem, that's why i organized it on the damn filesystem, ffs. |
| 16:53.54 | cncfanatics | bah, I actualy lost most of my music |
| 16:53.56 | cncfanatics | got to redl |
| 16:58.03 | Duman | aaaan there go the forums |
| 16:58.05 | Duman | yay tuesday |
| 16:58.16 | Duman | err, +d |
| 16:58.52 | Cide | durcyn: balls to idiots that organize their filesystem, imo |
| 16:59.00 | Cide | when good media players do it for you. |
| 16:59.19 | Shirik | oh another fight |
| 16:59.24 | Shirik | this will be like the tabs vs spaces |
| 16:59.27 | Duman | haha |
| 16:59.28 | Cide | no |
| 16:59.34 | cncfanatics | Cide: not true |
| 16:59.34 | Cide | this is entirely subjective |
| 16:59.36 | cncfanatics | if I change media players |
| 16:59.40 | cncfanatics | I rather not have to reconfig it all |
| 16:59.43 | cncfanatics | thus, filesystem ftw |
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| 16:59.51 | Dashkal | spaces, nano, and a self-organizes filesystem |
| 16:59.53 | cncfanatics | agree with Shirik its tabs vs spaces though :p |
| 16:59.58 | Cide | no no |
| 17:00.01 | Shirik | Cide's right though |
| 17:00.02 | Dashkal | :p |
| 17:00.05 | Shirik | in tabs vs spaces there's no argument |
| 17:00.05 | Cide | this is subjective |
| 17:00.05 | durcyn | Cide: my fs is beautiful, sir! |
| 17:00.07 | Shirik | only right and wrong |
| 17:00.08 | Cide | spaces vs tabs is objective |
| 17:00.21 | cncfanatics | how is it objective ? :o |
| 17:00.26 | Shirik | because you should use spaces |
| 17:00.31 | Cide | durcyn: but you have to maintain it. I just import a directory or file into wmp and it's filtered, sorted, etc |
| 17:00.33 | cncfanatics | I use tabs :p |
| 17:00.40 | Cide | that makes you wrong |
| 17:00.45 | Cide | sorry, try again |
| 17:01.02 | cncfanatics | if you explain me why you might change my mind |
| 17:01.05 | durcyn | Cide: i am sorry that you are lazy. |
| 17:01.15 | Cide | excuse me? are you not a programmer? |
| 17:01.16 | Duman | I like tabs because it's faster, and I'm lazy ;) |
| 17:01.21 | Cide | tabs are not faster |
| 17:01.29 | Cide | learn to use your text editor |
| 17:01.30 | durcyn | touche. |
| 17:01.37 | Duman | fair enough |
| 17:01.45 | Duman | autoindent angers me sometimes tho |
| 17:01.59 | Shirik | Duman, any good editor can convert tabs to spaces automatically |
| 17:02.04 | Duman | yes, I know |
| 17:02.17 | cncfanatics | did EU login servers just crash ? |
| 17:02.21 | cncfanatics | stuck on authenticating |
| 17:02.24 | Shirik | well .... the server is down.... |
| 17:02.28 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:02.29 | Shirik | EU |
| 17:02.29 | Duman | but I generally just leave them tabs since it's usually just me editing my code, and I don't really care either way |
| 17:03.03 | Duman | if I'm editing shared code, I'll follow whatever guidelines people want :) |
| 17:03.17 | Duman | wtf, my cats both just freaked the hell out |
| 17:03.31 | cncfanatics | foodtime |
| 17:03.37 | Duman | did that :) |
| 17:03.41 | Duman | oh, for you |
| 17:03.44 | Duman | lol |
| 17:04.21 | Shirik | Win: http://wowi.pastey.net/93148 |
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| 17:07.01 | Cide | lose |
| 17:07.06 | Cide | you have a hard cap at 80 columns? |
| 17:07.17 | Shirik | yeh :P |
| 17:07.22 | Shirik | didn't we already go over this? |
| 17:07.25 | Cide | no |
| 17:07.33 | Shirik | that's due to the printing system we use |
| 17:07.42 | Cide | ah |
| 17:07.44 | Cide | stop printing code |
| 17:07.48 | Shirik | requirement |
| 17:07.53 | Cide | unrequire it |
| 17:07.58 | Shirik | I don't get to make those decisions |
| 17:07.59 | Duman | 80col angers me, too |
| 17:08.02 | Cide | it's a good guideline |
| 17:08.08 | Cide | I usually abide by it |
| 17:08.15 | Cide | but it's stupid fome things |
| 17:08.20 | Cide | for some* |
| 17:08.24 | Shirik | nice |
| 17:08.25 | Shirik | fome |
| 17:08.27 | Duman | it's such an antiquated guideline |
| 17:08.33 | Duman | wtf is 80col these days |
| 17:08.37 | Duman | or rather, limited to |
| 17:08.38 | Shirik | one sheet of paper |
| 17:08.45 | Cide | aye |
| 17:08.45 | Duman | lrn2font |
| 17:08.55 | Cide | but shorter lines means more legible code too |
| 17:09.00 | Shirik | it's not a printer like what you expect |
| 17:09.06 | Nom- | Shirik: Suggest Atlassian Crucible to $boss |
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| 17:09.15 | Shirik | Nom-: Actually I've been trying to set up crucible |
| 17:09.30 | Duman | <10:08AM Cide> but shorter lines means more legible code too |
| 17:09.34 | Duman | generally, sure |
| 17:09.35 | Duman | sometimes, no |
| 17:09.42 | Cide | <Cide> but it's stupid fome things |
| 17:10.01 | Duman | ah missed that line :) |
| 17:10.05 | Shirik | I admit it's sometimes bad |
| 17:10.16 | Shirik | but it's worse when the printer tries to write code longer than 80 columns |
| 17:10.31 | Cide | <Cide> stop printing code |
| 17:10.34 | Duman | hah |
| 17:10.37 | Shirik | Not an option :P |
| 17:10.40 | Duman | are you on a line printer? |
| 17:10.41 | Cide | <Cide> unrequire it |
| 17:10.46 | Shirik | Not my decision |
| 17:10.53 | Duman | buy the 132col version ;-) |
| 17:10.54 | Cide | from __work__ import unrequire |
| 17:10.57 | Duman | since that shit is 1970's |
| 17:10.57 | Cide | unrequire(printer) |
| 17:11.44 | Cide | I hear |
| 17:11.50 | Shirik | the only real problem I've had so far with this limit is iterating over std::map objects |
| 17:11.53 | Shirik | that gets a little ugly |
| 17:11.55 | Cide | men (and women!) who don't have to print code are better in bed |
| 17:12.02 | Cide | news at 11 |
| 17:12.03 | Duman | hahaha |
| 17:13.06 | Shirik | It gets a little ugly when tabulated out: http://wowi.pastey.net/93149 |
| 17:13.25 | Cide | good god |
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| 17:13.46 | Shirik | :P |
| 17:13.46 | Cide | goto > that |
| 17:13.53 | Shirik | there is a goto in there! |
| 17:13.58 | Cide | add another |
| 17:13.59 | Cide | and another |
| 17:14.00 | Shirik | well there's a longjmp |
| 17:14.11 | Cide | and a coninue! |
| 17:14.14 | Cide | continue too |
| 17:14.38 | Shirik | line 60 |
| 17:14.49 | Shirik | what's wrong with continue? |
| 17:15.21 | Cide | it's a jump, no? |
| 17:15.27 | Cide | nothing wrong with it |
| 17:15.42 | Shirik | it's just like break, except completely different |
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| 17:18.07 | Nom- | Anything better than fraps out these days to cap live game video ? |
| 17:18.23 | Shirik | DirectShow |
| 17:18.34 | Gnarfoz | Fraps is still the best out there |
| 17:19.26 | Nom- | bleh.. totally wtb Mac... i'm still waiting on the new iMac range |
| 17:19.42 | Gnarfoz | erm yeah... that's not really "better" |
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| 17:19.46 | Gnarfoz | just easier to use probably |
| 17:19.56 | Nom- | quicktime rocks for that kind of stuff |
| 17:24.26 | Shirik | hrm |
| 17:24.41 | Shirik | the differences between "shutdown" and "./shutdown.sh" are rather drastic |
| 17:24.44 | Shirik | I'll have to remember this |
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| 17:33.07 | Atriace | Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Beta NDA is off now, right? |
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| 17:33.54 | Shirik | affirmative |
| 17:34.16 | Atriace | wowwiki updates, here we go... |
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| 17:37.32 | nevcairiel | the ToU still dont allow you to post screenshots, however |
| 17:37.38 | Kirov | interesting ... Intel's upcoming stand alone GPU chip is actually a super parallel x86 cpu. They're basically doing what ATI and NVidia did (bringing out video cards that are basically 200+ processors in a chip) and making them x86. |
| 17:37.40 | nevcairiel | s/dont/doesnt/ |
| 17:38.00 | nevcairiel | isnt that a real waste? |
| 17:38.01 | Shirik | yeah I saw that Kirkburn |
| 17:38.06 | Shirik | Kirov* |
| 17:38.07 | nevcairiel | i mean the x86 instruction set is evil |
| 17:38.12 | nevcairiel | so bloated |
| 17:38.17 | Shirik | The x86 instruction set is powerful |
| 17:38.18 | Kirov | They can sell as a GPU, but also push their plans to make their normal CPUs be the same 1000+ core monsters |
| 17:38.32 | nevcairiel | Shirik: too powerful for a very specific piece of hardware |
| 17:38.32 | Atriace | nevcairiel: I wouldn't dream of it. Besides, the only really interesting stuff that's going on is in the API. :p |
| 17:38.44 | Nom- | imo the video card is designed for Macs |
| 17:38.44 | Shirik | you only say "bloated" until you realize how much a given instruction can improve your code |
| 17:38.56 | Kirkburn | We almost had Kirochi, Kirkburn, Kirouto and Kirov on #wowwiki earlier |
| 17:38.57 | Shirik | all of their instructions have practical uses, mostly with media applications |
| 17:39.01 | Atriace | Speaking of which, nev, how's Bartender going? |
| 17:39.04 | Nom- | Snow Leopard has technology which allows you to use video card cores to help with normal desktop app processing |
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| 17:39.30 | Nom- | So you can imagine some of the apple movie software, for instance, using multi-core technologies to render much faster than youc an now |
| 17:39.31 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i know, but implementing the full instruction set in a GPU is stupid, get a very specific version and you are set |
| 17:39.51 | Shirik | well the majority of x86 instructions are geared to improving media efficiency |
| 17:39.55 | nevcairiel | You can already off-load complex FPU tasks to your gfx using CUDA |
| 17:39.55 | Shirik | think about what a GPU is doing.... |
| 17:40.11 | Shirik | or you can do them on-chip with SSE |
| 17:40.28 | nevcairiel | GPU > on-chip SSE |
| 17:40.33 | Shirik | psh |
| 17:40.43 | Shirik | there's a cost associated with synchronization |
| 17:40.48 | Kirov | Nom- - NVidia and ATI are starting to take a lot of ground from Intel in the low end mass processing market (colleges, research facilities that can't afford BluGene level, or even HP level server farms) |
| 17:40.50 | nevcairiel | for small tasks, sure |
| 17:40.51 | Shirik | so there's a point where it's useful and a point where it's not |
| 17:40.53 | nevcairiel | for complex tasks |
| 17:40.55 | nevcairiel | its worth it |
| 17:40.58 | Kirov | I can see Intel trying to go for that market too. |
| 17:41.01 | Shirik | it depends on how you define "complex" |
| 17:41.08 | Nom- | BiBut, if your server is doing a lot of FP calc on a regular basis (gaming aside), then it probably doesn't have a 3D video card |
| 17:41.12 | Nom- | *but |
| 17:41.14 | Shirik | perhaps if you're operating on the same data over and over, sure |
| 17:41.22 | Shirik | what if you're trying to operate on a large block of data |
| 17:41.44 | Nom- | Ok, let me put it this way |
| 17:41.46 | nevcairiel | sure, you have to consider data bus bandwidth |
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| 17:42.12 | Nom- | If you video card can become an extra source of x86 processing cores, then you can see multi-threaded applications having threads running on the GPU core |
| 17:42.17 | Nom- | and have that as transparent functionality |
| 17:42.35 | Nom- | If the graphics card is idle, give it some work... that's the philosophy of computing going forward |
| 17:42.48 | Shirik | Why even have a graphics card anymore? |
| 17:42.57 | Shirik | If they are the same, you won't even have that issue |
| 17:43.08 | Nom- | *nod* |
| 17:43.09 | nevcairiel | because optimized hardware > non-optimized? :) |
| 17:43.16 | Shirik | nevcairiel, why isn't it optimized? |
| 17:43.20 | Shirik | That's my point |
| 17:43.26 | nevcairiel | because x86 is generic |
| 17:43.34 | Shirik | Why not just have the graphics card on-chip, with all the functionality optimized for graphics |
| 17:43.42 | Shirik | then you gain all of the best of a graphics card and on-chip processing at once |
| 17:44.03 | Shirik | the only thing you really lose is DMA |
| 17:44.07 | Shirik | and I don't think graphics cards use that anyway |
| 17:44.10 | Kirov | Shirik - AMD... |
| 17:44.13 | nevcairiel | Then why are GPUs so much faster then any integrated FPU ? |
| 17:44.22 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Because what I'm describing has not been done yet |
| 17:44.33 | Nom- | " ... Snow Leopard will incorporate tools such as Grand Central and Open CL to harness both multi-core and GPU processors" |
| 17:44.51 | Shirik | Kirov? |
| 17:44.56 | Kirov | nevcairiel - because the integrated FPU on a cpu takes up a fairly small part of the chip, where as GPUs are often as much as 2x3 times the physical size of modern cpus. |
| 17:45.11 | Kirov | Shirik - AMD bought ATI to do just that. |
| 17:45.13 | nevcairiel | the DIE on the cpu's are so small |
| 17:45.15 | Shirik | ah |
| 17:45.30 | Nom- | nevcairiel: You do realise that there are dozens of cores on moden graphics cards right? |
| 17:45.51 | Shirik | nevcairiel: so make them bigger :) |
| 17:45.54 | Shirik | Think outside the box |
| 17:45.54 | nevcairiel | Nom-: of course, but no one said you had to plug that into an existing cpu socket |
| 17:46.08 | nevcairiel | Shirik: I am :P |
| 17:46.15 | NightHawkTheSane | argh. idiotic project manager, "you have 14 bugs in your queue, you said you could resolve them last week." a) i never said that. b) i resolved half of them last week, and new ones arrived, assigned by you. arghhh. |
| 17:46.22 | Shirik | on a side note, any of you have experience setting up JIRA? |
| 17:46.30 | Shirik | Jira hates me |
| 17:46.43 | ZealotOnAStick | I wouldn't necessarily say dozens of "cores" - more dozens of sub-core processing units. |
| 17:47.12 | Nom- | The latest GTX 280 from Nvidia has 240 processing cores @ 1296MHz... that's why it's so damn fast |
| 17:47.15 | Nom- | Shirik: Yes,I have |
| 17:47.24 | Shirik | okay, it was working |
| 17:47.33 | Shirik | then I tried to convert it to use mysql |
| 17:47.34 | Kirov | nevcairiel - Core 2 Duos are 45nm, 107mm^2. NVidia's GTX 280 is 65nm, 330mm^2 |
| 17:47.37 | Shirik | and now it just times out |
| 17:47.40 | nevcairiel | yeah its not the classical multi-core that we think of when talking x86 |
| 17:47.49 | Shirik | logs say nothing, but maybe I'm looking at the wrong log |
| 17:48.05 | Nom- | Shirik: hmm... i don't have a running copy any more ... trial expired :/ |
| 17:48.15 | Nom- | Shirik: From memory there are a couple of places it might log |
| 17:48.18 | Kirov | the GTX 280 is has 240 processors on a single die |
| 17:48.28 | ZealotOnAStick | Shader Units. |
| 17:48.28 | Shirik | I'm going to try to convince the school to purchase jira/crucible/fisheye |
| 17:49.48 | Kirov | The AMD ATI 4870 has 800 processors |
| 17:49.51 | Nom- | Shirik: it's a great product... only reason we don't have it running at the moment is because our license expired, and we haven't got approval to buy yet |
| 17:50.31 | ZealotOnAStick | Understand, they're not all individual fully functionally separate processors. They're programmable task sub-procs that depend on some overall higher logic to assign them tasks and portion up their job loads. It's not like it's a 240-in-one parallell proc chip. |
| 17:50.45 | Nom- | yeah, so the whole point is... since you've got so many of these cards sitting under-utilized in desktops, why not put the GPU to good use... |
| 17:51.12 | Kirov | ZealotOnAStick - true, but modern gpus are basically a giant number of FPUs |
| 17:54.34 | ZealotOnAStick | All processors are going to be going the way of large numbers of multiple cores or sub-cores. |
| 17:55.09 | ZealotOnAStick | Intel brainy types have told programmers they need to begin preparing/learning to write for massively multiple processing. |
| 17:55.21 | ZealotOnAStick | Not just threading to a couple or a few cores. |
| 17:55.39 | foxlit | goodluckwiththat |
| 17:55.41 | ZealotOnAStick | anyway, Nom- - put them to good use for what? |
| 17:55.43 | Kirov | ZealotOnAStick - It's a chicken and egg issue though. |
| 17:56.27 | Kirov | Programmers don't want to make their code more complex than it needs to be, and make sure it runs as fast as it can on the hardware their users have today, not in 10 years. |
| 17:56.47 | Kirov | For the business sector especially, their hardware for the normal "user" lags behind by as much as 5-20 years. |
| 17:57.03 | Shirik | aha |
| 17:57.08 | Shirik | on the 20th log file I finally found it |
| 17:57.09 | Shirik | java.sql.SQLException: Access denied for user 'jira'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 17:57.28 | Kirov | Shirik - you should probably look at a more complex password. |
| 17:57.40 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:57.41 | ZealotOnAStick | They're starting to see the point where we're approaching the performance gains that can be wrought by simple die shrinks and speed bumps. |
| 17:57.42 | ZealotOnAStick | lol |
| 17:58.13 | Nom- | Kirov: Because if Intel has their way, the day where your process may be transparently run on either a CPU or GPU core is not far away |
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| 17:58.28 | foxlit | Kirov: standard SQL error message |
| 17:58.41 | foxlit | Of course, that was probably a joke :) |
| 17:59.00 | Shirik | hrm |
| 17:59.04 | Shirik | apparently I forgot the password |
| 17:59.04 | Shirik | go me |
| 17:59.09 | Nom- | lol |
| 17:59.41 | Kirov | Nom- - Which is very smart of them. By getting hardware in to the world that can be programmed for like they want, but still be useful when people don't program for it means that programmers might actually have an incentive to change their code. |
| 18:00.50 | Kirov | Right now, coding for massive parallelism means slower performance on todays 1-2 core systems. The benefits can be seen when you hit 3-4 cores, but those aren't popular yet. |
| 18:01.48 | Nom- | you'd be surpised mate |
| 18:02.04 | Kirov | The current multi-core software out there really doesn't see any gains past maybe 5-6 cores, because they're designed for many cores and not massive parallelism. |
| 18:02.09 | zenzelezz | the PS3 somewhat showed that developers don't automatically love lots of cores |
| 18:02.11 | Nom- | Right now @ work we're kicking off several projects which are bing written with minimum of 8 cores in mind |
| 18:02.46 | Nom- | We expect the hardware that it goes on will be bought early next year, which means it'll probably be the next gen Xeon's which are 8 cores each |
| 18:02.52 | Kirov | Nom- - there are definately places for it. Any time large amounts of data need to be processed the more cores the better. That's why super computers exist. |
| 18:03.16 | Nom- | Although I'm almost tempted to suggest we go and buy a POWER6 system |
| 18:03.42 | Kirov | zenzelezz - which is why the PS3 is theoretically more powerful than the XBox 360, but in practice the 360 is actually faster. |
| 18:03.56 | Shirik | yey, it works |
| 18:04.01 | Shirik | stupid passwors |
| 18:04.03 | Shirik | passwords |
| 18:04.09 | Nom- | lol no the PS3's mistake was the stupid way they implemented the additional cores |
| 18:04.12 | Kirov | And it's not just the fact the 360's GPU is twice as powerful as the PS3. |
| 18:04.30 | zenzelezz | my CPU knowledge is a bit rusty; do cores suffer from the same problem as multi-CPU systems did with cache misses or whatever it was? |
| 18:04.36 | ZealotOnAStick | Nom- - and in their not making it significantly easier to develop for. |
| 18:04.40 | Nom- | You actually had to build your application in a specific way to hand work off to the extra cores... most games didn't |
| 18:04.53 | Kirov | Nom- - it doesn't make sense to for most games. |
| 18:05.35 | Nom- | That's why x86 cores work so well... most business applications are going to be in either .NET or Java - both of which have very easy-to-use threading libraries |
| 18:05.51 | Kirov | The problem is you have 3 different levels of programmers working on games. Engine system level programmers who are dealing with multi-core goodness, and then gameplay programmers and the "dabblers" who aren't. |
| 18:07.10 | zenzelezz | Tomb Raider X for the PS3 - "We have dedicated one core for realistically animating each boob and buttock" |
| 18:07.28 | Kirov | Gameplay programming is usually in either a proprietary code (usually c lke) or python / lua, etc. |
| 18:07.47 | Kirov | I don't know of a single company that uses Java because it's too slow. |
| 18:08.30 | Kirov | zenzelezz - sadly, that's not far off of what is actually done to try and take advantage of multiple cores. |
| 18:08.37 | amro|afk | nowadays code quality in video games is quite poor relatively |
| 18:08.42 | Dashkal | Java? Slow? um, 1.3 much? |
| 18:08.49 | Dashkal | unless you mean for games which is different |
| 18:08.57 | Kirov | Dashkal - yes |
| 18:09.03 | Kirov | amro|afk - also true. |
| 18:09.24 | Nom- | Java is not slow lol |
| 18:09.25 | Dashkal | eh, even then parts of games could easily be written in java. Java is very fast in some areas. The client wouldn't be one of those areas |
| 18:09.36 | Nom- | There are *lots* of companies using Java |
| 18:09.43 | zenzelezz | a lot of coders these days *seem* (I have no proof for this) to think that CPU speeds make up for sloppy coding |
| 18:10.14 | Cide | thing is though, they do |
| 18:10.15 | Nom- | no it doesn't... but it can make up for not making a parallel processing application |
| 18:10.18 | Dashkal | zenzelezz: I so wish you were wrong... sadly, my experience matches your guess there |
| 18:10.30 | Cide | that's how the shitty programmers still make games |
| 18:10.38 | amro|afk | that's pretty much it zenzelezz. there are a lot of mediocre programmers out there pushing out retail products |
| 18:10.51 | Cide | and that's because cpu speeds do make up for sloppy coding |
| 18:10.54 | Kirov | zenzelezz - for my last game we have the main core on the PS3 doing basically everything. Physics and sound were moved off, and the rest of the cores are the particle systems... not because we had to, but because they weren't doing anything else. |
| 18:11.01 | Nom- | Yeah, but they all work for Microsoft, so that's ok :P |
| 18:11.05 | Cide | because the shitty code isn't detected |
| 18:11.07 | Dashkal | Actually, I should hunt down some opengl bindings for java and see just how fast/slow it is. I suspect it could do pretty damn well with a few tweaks |
| 18:11.11 | Cide | systems aren't profiled |
| 18:11.12 | Cide | etc |
| 18:11.14 | zenzelezz | careful now guys, or John Romero will make you his bitch(es) again! |
| 18:11.45 | Kirov | zenzelezz - He might, there's a lot of hush hush talk about how amazing his current project is. |
| 18:11.53 | Nom- | http://opengl.j3d.org/ |
| 18:12.30 | Kirov | Nom- - I know a lot of companies use Java for PC based games and business applications. I don't know of anyone who uses it for consoles. |
| 18:12.45 | Nom- | huh? consoles? |
| 18:12.59 | zenzelezz | I've even seen games based on MFC |
| 18:13.23 | Nom- | You don't write console code in Java |
| 18:13.34 | Kirov | Nom- - gameplay programming. |
| 18:14.05 | Kirov | usually mix of C++ and some random "lesser" (ie: easier for non programmers to deal with) language |
| 18:14.07 | Nom- | http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/hardware/595/specs.html <-- that will make up for a lot of lousy code... i tell ya ... |
| 18:14.20 | Dashkal | Nom-: danke |
| 18:14.45 | zenzelezz | is that in the "cell" family? |
| 18:14.53 | Nom- | POWER family |
| 18:14.58 | Kirov | I'm totally on boat with the whole "faster processors make for worse code" |
| 18:15.08 | Nom- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER6 |
| 18:15.20 | Kirov | zenzelezz - cell is basically PowerPC based |
| 18:15.38 | zenzelezz | yeah, I couldn't remember the relationship, just that it was another IBM thing |
| 18:15.43 | Adys | http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1200.png <3 |
| 18:16.06 | ZealotOnAStick | Damn. |
| 18:16.44 | ZealotOnAStick | What small to medium sized country's infratructure do you want to hack with one of those maxed out? |
| 18:17.13 | Nom- | indeed |
| 18:17.36 | Kirov | Cell is a very early, and mostly failed attempt at a multicore cpu. |
| 18:17.40 | Nom- | actually the 575 is more impressive... it's designed to be a cluster node, whereas the 595 seems to be standalone |
| 18:18.01 | Nom- | 32 4.7 GHz POWER6 processor cores per node / Up to 256 GB RAM per node |
| 18:18.29 | Kirov | The only real reason the Cell cpu is still around is because it's really good at processing video signals. |
| 18:20.20 | Kirov | Something to note about the Cell cpu in the PS3 - only 7 of the 8 cores on the cell cpu are actually enabled. Why? Because most of the cpus made only 7 of the 8 cores even run. |
| 18:21.05 | Kirov | Basically, for the first year or two of cell manufacturing, their yield rates were so low they had to go with 7 core chips instead of 8 core because they didn't have enough of them to use in the PS3 |
| 18:21.52 | Nom- | Same problem with Quad Core 2 processors |
| 18:22.10 | Nom- | That's why they're releasing 3 core processors... they're 4 cores with a non-working core |
| 18:22.17 | Kirov | And the Opteron / Athlon cpus |
| 18:22.54 | Neo|Home | there are 3 core cpus? |
| 18:23.00 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 18:23.11 | Kirov | The problem is that the Core 2 Duos are faster and cheaper than the Cell. |
| 18:23.27 | Kirov | which is why I say the cell is a mostly failed attempt at a multicore cpu |
| 18:24.51 | Kirov | http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=423 |
| 18:25.51 | Nom- | AMD PHENOM X3 8650 AM2+ 2.3GHZ TRI CORE# $152.00 |
| 18:26.03 | Nom- | AMD PHENOM 9850 AM2+ 2.5GHZ QCORE# $270.00 |
| 18:27.04 | Nom- | Given the X3's are basically quad core rejects, the price isn't *too* bad |
| 18:27.38 | Neo|Home | isn't Core 2 Duo/Quad the better performers today, in general/ |
| 18:27.46 | Kirov | I still think it's a huge testiment to Intel's designers than when the Core 2 first came out the lowest end CPU in that line was faster than the fastest CPU AMD made. |
| 18:27.46 | Neo|Home | AMD is cheaper but behind on speed? |
| 18:27.51 | Nom- | much of a muchness |
| 18:27.55 | Neo|Home | I'm not really up to date but need to be soonish |
| 18:28.04 | Codex| | ~seen Cairenn|afk |
| 18:28.10 | purl | cairenn|afk is currently on #wowuidev (2h 17m 1s) #wowace (2h 17m 1s) #wowwiki (2h 17m 1s), last said: 'http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1806&d=1217625840 <== Cortona in relation to Convention Center'. |
| 18:28.11 | Nom- | personally i'd buy a 3GHz Core 2 Duo |
| 18:28.33 | Nom- | But make sure my board can take a 3GHz Quad when it comes out |
| 18:28.45 | Kirov | If you're short on cash when buying a new machine, buy AMD. If you can go for even the lowest end Core 2, do that instead. |
| 18:29.09 | Nom- | And if you want to use anything other than Windows, buy an Nvidia card |
| 18:29.12 | Nom- | learnt that the hard way |
| 18:29.24 | Neo|Home | I'm leaning towards a Mac Pro actually. It's 'more' than I need but I'm very partial to Mac OS over Windows |
| 18:29.41 | Nom- | Neo|Home: I'm hanging out for the new iMac range (whenver it comes out) |
| 18:29.54 | Neo|Home | I wish theer was a Mac Desktop that wasn't "pro" (I don't need quad core, 32 GB capable desktop ;-) |
| 18:30.16 | Neo|Home | but I also don't want a builtin monitor since monitors, imho, lasts at least 2x as long as the computer |
| 18:30.17 | Nom- | The trouble with a Mac Pro is, while you *can* put another video card in it, there's not much point |
| 18:30.21 | Neo|Home | and it'd add unnecessary cost |
| 18:30.29 | Nom- | The driver support outside of what comes with it is shocking |
| 18:30.52 | Nom- | The built-in monitor in the iMac's are worth the dollars |
| 18:30.54 | Nom- | I'm deadly serious |
| 18:30.57 | Neo|Home | Nom-: well... I run OS X on an AMD Althon X2 box with a GT 8800 card |
| 18:31.12 | Neo|Home | I have a 24" flatscreen monitor already |
| 18:31.19 | Kirov | Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33Ghz - $173.99 |
| 18:31.19 | Kirov | AMD Phenom X4 9950 2.6Ghz - $289 |
| 18:31.19 | Kirov | guess which one is faster |
| 18:31.20 | Nom- | Seriously.. the screen alone in a 24" iMac is worth about $1200 |
| 18:31.28 | Kirov | (hint, it's not the more expensive one) |
| 18:31.31 | Thunder_Child | http://www.rlslog.net/intel-larrabee-own-graphic-chip-line/ |
| 18:31.44 | Nom- | Neo|Home: Seriously, it's a *lot* better than your standard screen |
| 18:31.48 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - welcome to an hour ago |
| 18:31.54 | Kirov | ;) |
| 18:31.56 | Nom- | I use one at work... looking at standard $200 LCD along side my iMac |
| 18:31.58 | Thunder_Child | i was leeping an hour ago |
| 18:31.58 | Nom- | My god |
| 18:32.02 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Kirov |
| 18:32.02 | purl | slaps Kirov upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 18:32.07 | Thunder_Child | sleeping* |
| 18:32.17 | Nom- | The iMac screen is so much clearer... the blacks are blacker, the colours are more vivid |
| 18:32.35 | Nom- | Worth every cent imo |
| 18:33.09 | Kirov | Just get a cheap monitor that uses the same panel |
| 18:33.32 | Nom- | You can't get a cheap monitor that uses the same panel |
| 18:33.34 | Nom- | That's what i'm saying |
| 18:33.43 | Kirov | Nom- - Why not? |
| 18:33.55 | Nom- | The cheap monitors use TN panels |
| 18:33.59 | Kirov | Not always |
| 18:34.14 | Kirov | usually, yes, but you can find a few who don't |
| 18:34.46 | durcyn | you occasionally get PVA on low-end displays |
| 18:34.57 | Nom- | The iMac's use S-IPS from memory |
| 18:35.05 | durcyn | S-IPS or bust though, to be sure |
| 18:35.08 | durcyn | ^ |
| 18:35.30 | Kirov | The thing is most monitors are pushing how fast their pixel response times are, and not really putting a lot of time in to getting it to look good. |
| 18:35.43 | Kirov | I avoid 2ns monitors like the plague. |
| 18:36.55 | Kirov | usually they will change from one value to another in 2ms, which they can ... but they also overshoot the value and can take as much as half a second to actually change to the color they're supposed to be. |
| 18:37.45 | Nom- | 17" is a LG Philips LM171W02 |
| 18:38.05 | Kirov | Mac monitors tend to be 16ms, which is fine for most things. |
| 18:38.18 | Nom- | That was from Jan 2006... they may have updated since then |
| 18:38.24 | Nom- | I know the one I have @ work is S-IPS |
| 18:38.34 | zenzelezz | LG Philips? |
| 18:38.36 | Kirov | They change constantly. |
| 18:39.45 | Nom- | When they put a TN panel into some 20" models a while back there was a massive outrage lol |
| 18:40.11 | Nom- | they're all S-IPS from what I can find... as I said... i'm prepared to pay for it, coz the display at work has taught me that it's so worth it |
| 18:40.49 | Nom- | ok going to bed i think |
| 18:41.00 | Nom- | nearly 3am and i'm still not tired, but I shall try to sleep lol |
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| 18:51.21 | Shirik | hrm |
| 18:51.28 | Shirik | is it bad that my server is stuck in shutdown at "deactivating swap"? |
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| 18:52.23 | ScytheBlade1 | define 'stuck' |
| 18:53.07 | Shirik | in lish: |
| 18:53.09 | Shirik | * Stopping syslog-ng ... [ ok ] |
| 18:53.09 | Shirik | * Deactivating swap ... |
| 18:53.14 | Shirik | and it just sits there |
| 18:53.21 | haste | for 90 sec or so |
| 18:53.30 | Shirik | I definitely gave the reboot command about 10 minutes ago :P |
| 18:53.45 | haste | oh, sounds like my old init script :D |
| 18:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you should send it the sysrq to just nuke it and call it good |
| 18:54.11 | haste | you might want to do a scan of the disc :p |
| 18:54.14 | Shirik | the what now? |
| 18:54.28 | ScytheBlade1 | /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysrq.txt |
| 18:55.26 | Shirik | wait, that button actually does something? |
| 18:56.51 | |pez| | My site has oh so many flaws XD |
| 18:57.34 | |pez| | or, not really flaws |
| 18:57.38 | |pez| | but it is lacking in features. |
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| 19:20.10 | ckknight | can you convert it to m2 even? |
| 19:21.23 | Mery | yes |
| 19:21.28 | Mery | but well |
| 19:21.36 | |pez| | Ok, so who wants to see a video of me being massaged?! :D .... |
| 19:21.49 | Xuerian | ooo.. |
| 19:21.53 | Stanzilla | O_O |
| 19:23.01 | |pez| | It really is priceless |
| 19:23.16 | Xuerian | Going to tell us about it, or going to link it? :P |
| 19:23.17 | Mery | ckknight: the problem is there is this effect that's called "smooth lightning" or something like that in 3ds max, your arrow has that too, but since it's only 3 triangels it isn't very noticable, if you got a more complex form... http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2940/arrowtestfc9.jpg |
| 19:23.33 | Mery | (3 triangels on the top*) |
| 19:23.34 | ckknight | ah |
| 19:24.01 | Mery | also i think it'd need a texture so the edges are more visible |
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| 19:24.26 | |pez| | sadly, you will need quicktime - http://cuddlebutt.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mov00050.3gp |
| 19:24.32 | Xuerian | A texture could help overall - a darker one - would make the stark lighting less horible |
| 19:24.35 | |pez| | also, I look like a hobo XD |
| 19:24.51 | Xuerian | you just crashed my ff |
| 19:24.54 | Xuerian | grats |
| 19:24.57 | |pez| | special |
| 19:25.00 | Thunder_Child | |pez|, do we want to know why this was videotaped? |
| 19:25.10 | |pez| | Thunder_Child: go look at it? |
| 19:25.13 | Thunder_Child | i am |
| 19:25.21 | Thunder_Child | that still doesnt explain it |
| 19:25.31 | |pez| | ok, you hear me squeeling? |
| 19:25.37 | |pez| | people found it horribly amusing. |
| 19:25.41 | ckknight | omg, |pez| is a gurl! |
| 19:25.47 | Thunder_Child | ~lart ckknight |
| 19:25.47 | purl | makes a balloon animal out of ckknight |
| 19:26.04 | Thunder_Child | though there is no proof this is |pez| |
| 19:26.06 | |pez| | the squeeling was even worse before they started filming. |
| 19:27.00 | |pez| | One upon a time, there was a tired crews!pez that had stuff shoulders. Then crewperson came and started massaging her neck. It hurt, lots. |
| 19:27.22 | |pez| | crew* |
| 19:27.23 | Xuerian | well... I can't hear anything... |
| 19:27.25 | Fisker- | Xuerian my friend |
| 19:27.30 | Xuerian | But I can see it |
| 19:27.32 | |pez| | There is sound. |
| 19:27.46 | Xuerian | And damn pez, you're vocal >.> |
| 19:27.53 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, turn up your speakers |
| 19:28.11 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: I think it's vlc |
| 19:28.13 | |pez| | Xuerian: this is why me and my boyfriend close the windows at night ;P |
| 19:28.14 | Xuerian | Fisker-: what |
| 19:28.26 | Xuerian | pez: I was going more for soundproofing, but that works |
| 19:28.40 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, huh? |
| 19:29.10 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: I'm thinking it's vlc that doesn't want to agree with the audio codec. I don't allow anything official quicktime on my computer |
| 19:29.26 | Thunder_Child | lol, Xuerian, you fail |
| 19:29.35 | Thunder_Child | so get a quicktime replacement |
| 19:29.40 | |pez| | How to I convert the stuff anyway? 3gp doesn't really sound like an awsome format. :P |
| 19:30.45 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, http://www.free-codecs.com/download/quicktime_alternative.htm |
| 19:31.04 | Xuerian | autogk, gxtranscoder |
| 19:33.09 | Aiiane | lol |pez|, I'm totally the other way... quiet as heck :D |
| 19:33.19 | Aiiane | unless someone pisses me off >.> |
| 19:33.23 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 19:33.23 | |pez| | I used to be! |
| 19:33.31 | |pez| | and then the boyfriend wanted me to be more vocal. :P |
| 19:33.32 | sacarasc | is it possible to have a macro that does one thing except if the first thing is on cooldown does the second? |
| 19:33.37 | Thunder_Child | is that a challenge Aiiane? |
| 19:33.46 | Aiiane | Thunder_Child: do you really want to find out? |
| 19:33.54 | Aiiane | I should add that it's really, really hard to piss me off |
| 19:34.00 | Thunder_Child | actually yes, i like challenges |
| 19:34.05 | Xuerian | This reminds me of a scrubs episode |
| 19:34.10 | nevcairiel | so a real challenge |
| 19:34.15 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:34.15 | Xuerian | Angry sex. |
| 19:34.25 | Fisker- | sex leg? |
| 19:34.30 | |pez| | angry sex, best kind there is! |
| 19:34.33 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 19:34.34 | purl | Fisker-: FAIL! |
| 19:35.48 | |pez| | ... AAaahahaha, my boyfriend, he's funny. |
| 19:35.56 | Fisker- | ~epic fail Thunder_Child |
| 19:35.57 | purl | Thunder_Child, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Thunder_Child, you are that epic failure. |
| 19:36.03 | |pez| | I can see him from where I sit, and he was sitting leaned backwards on his chair. |
| 19:36.10 | |pez| | with his head tilted backward |
| 19:36.15 | |pez| | I was thinking he was annoyed. |
| 19:36.20 | |pez| | and therefore shouldn't speak to him. |
| 19:36.26 | |pez| | and suddenly he SNORES |
| 19:36.41 | |pez| | he fell asleep being annoyed at his website. :P |
| 19:36.45 | Xuerian | And that brings forth a scene from the dragon emperor :P |
| 19:38.50 | Thunder_Child | ~snuff Fisker- |
| 19:38.53 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 19:39.10 | Fisker- | ~epic fail Thunder_Child |
| 19:39.11 | purl | Thunder_Child, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Thunder_Child, you are that epic failure. |
| 19:40.00 | Xuerian | ~epic fail Thunder_Child |
| 19:40.01 | purl | Thunder_Child, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Thunder_Child, you are that epic failure. |
| 19:40.12 | Xuerian | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 19:40.12 | purl | lowers Thunder_Child's priority |
| 19:40.24 | Xuerian | "Cannot render file" FAIL |
| 19:40.45 | Thunder_Child | thank you for that solid mass of ping i have |
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| 19:44.41 | Mery | should I add one more Thunder_Child ? |
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| 19:45.14 | zenzelezz | no, one Thunder_Child is quite enough |
| 19:45.15 | Thunder_Child | sure why not, i dont have sound enabled for irc anyways |
| 19:46.00 | Thunder_Child | yes Aiiane, really |
| 19:46.04 | Aiiane | :P |
| 19:48.29 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Aiiane |
| 19:48.29 | purl | eats Aiiane and falls over dead |
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| 19:58.52 | malreth | waaaaaaahhhhh |
| 20:01.01 | malreth | ever get the feeling that your loved one is hanging out with lesbians and that you're somehow missing out on something? |
| 20:01.09 | foxlit | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/a85c/ |
| 20:01.29 | foxlit | I demand that be coupled with predictive algorithms to continue typing when you stop! |
| 20:01.48 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:01.56 | Thunder_Child | malreth, no, but then i am always there as well |
| 20:03.04 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, i think i like the black one better |
| 20:03.11 | Thunder_Child | less garish |
| 20:03.29 | foxlit | I'd have to see both in use in a real room before I can decide on that |
| 20:04.10 | Dashkal | hrm, open the SDK so I can animate on linux and I'm interested... |
| 20:04.10 | Thunder_Child | though 200 is more than i would pay for something like that, however i would do $200 for an optimus keyboard |
| 20:04.53 | foxlit | I wouldn't. |
| 20:05.19 | foxlit | The idea of changing actual button images isn't terribly appealing or useful to me |
| 20:07.46 | Kaso | That is pretty awesome keyboard |
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| 20:08.19 | Kaso | cut 40% of the price and i might consider it |
| 20:09.06 | Kaso | also make it a proper sized keyboard |
| 20:09.37 | nevcairiel | ya i hate those small versions |
| 20:09.45 | nevcairiel | give numpad |
| 20:10.01 | foxlit | you could.. buy the numpad |
| 20:10.11 | nevcairiel | more money |
| 20:10.15 | foxlit | that's partially the reason why I haven't bought a new keyboard yet |
| 20:10.17 | nevcairiel | second cable |
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| 20:10.46 | foxlit | looks like a first to me, but nevermind that |
| 20:11.08 | foxlit | ah, no, can see the first cable in the video. |
| 20:11.35 | Kaso | i wonder if that keyboard supports setting brightness(alpha?) on the keys as well as their colour |
| 20:12.09 | Kaso | " |
| 20:12.09 | Kaso | # Software Requires Windows XP or Vista" :( |
| 20:12.24 | foxlit | It's also a pity that it's propriatory |
| 20:12.26 | Thunder_Child | ~lol Kaso |
| 20:12.26 | purl | ACTION Laughs out Loud at Kaso |
| 20:12.42 | Kaso | mean purl >< |
| 20:12.57 | foxlit | Kaso: the question is really whether you can get LEDs to actually do variable intensity |
| 20:13.25 | Kaso | well i guess you cant reliably, unvolting can change the colour cant it |
| 20:13.35 | Thunder_Child | ask Shirik, he should know |
| 20:13.43 | Shirik | something I woulod actually know? |
| 20:13.44 | foxlit | I don't have a physics corse on that level... yet |
| 20:13.46 | Kaso | undervolting i mean |
| 20:13.51 | malreth | depends on how quickly you can change their on/off state |
| 20:13.59 | Shirik | foxlit: Bad idea |
| 20:14.00 | Kaso | hmm intersting idea ^ |
| 20:14.03 | malreth | you flicker LEDs |
| 20:14.09 | foxlit | Shirik: the physics course? |
| 20:14.11 | Shirik | LEDs have a very exponential curve |
| 20:14.13 | Shirik | no for itensity |
| 20:14.20 | Shirik | they have an exponential curve for current-intensity |
| 20:14.24 | Shirik | instead what you would do is use PWM |
| 20:14.41 | malreth | a fancy way of saying... flicker |
| 20:14.44 | Shirik | so you'd turn it on for 50% of the time, off for 50% of the time, to produce effectively 50% intensity |
| 20:14.48 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:14.59 | Xuerian | you were right, malreth. you were right. |
| 20:15.02 | Xuerian | ~comfort malreth |
| 20:15.03 | purl | There, there, malreth. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:15.10 | Kaso | could do you that fast enough so even at something like 10% it wouldnt be visible? |
| 20:15.14 | Shirik | yup |
| 20:15.16 | malreth | Shirik: your brain must be like that of a thanksgiving turkey... massive |
| 20:15.18 | Shirik | it's the most common way |
| 20:15.20 | malreth | and full of breasts |
| 20:15.30 | Kirov | LEDs suck! Incandesent is the way of the future! |
| 20:15.35 | Kaso | hah |
| 20:15.36 | Shirik | I mean it's definitely possible to change the current to change intensity |
| 20:15.37 | Shirik | and it's done |
| 20:15.45 | Shirik | but if you want a stable output, then it's a bad idea |
| 20:16.03 | Shirik | the difference between 5% and 10% intensity is probably somewhere along the order of microamps |
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| 20:17.04 | foxlit | Combined with my lack of a physics course, I also don't have a feeling for scale of currents |
| 20:17.23 | Shirik | hm |
| 20:17.24 | foxlit | Microamps tends to associate with "small" |
| 20:17.28 | Shirik | it is small :) |
| 20:17.43 | Shirik | well, the average LED is running at around 20mA |
| 20:17.44 | foxlit | Which is a problem because you can't regulate it that well? |
| 20:17.48 | Shirik | right |
| 20:17.51 | Shirik | I mean you can |
| 20:17.58 | Shirik | but it would be much more expensive than PWM |
| 20:18.11 | Shirik | with no real benefit |
| 20:18.47 | Kaso | the software they provide there for the keyboard is pretty useless making it nothing more than a toy really. you can define certain patterns and thats about it. I want to see a full API opened up so you can use it for some decent HCI uses |
| 20:19.09 | Kaso | highlighting certain keys in relations to whats shown on screen etc. |
| 20:19.14 | Shirik | On a similar note, it's a bit of a pain to try to change current |
| 20:19.25 | Shirik | the only real good way to change it is to change voltage |
| 20:19.44 | Shirik | And you have a hard limit on the LED due to an attribute of it called "voltage drop" |
| 20:20.01 | foxlit | Now, that's a physics course I've had :) |
| 20:20.05 | Shirik | which just makes things even harder to regulate current |
| 20:20.19 | Shirik | because that's rarely stable |
| 20:20.33 | Xuerian | Shirik.. You're doing what's called "Over-explaining" or "Socially compensating" by "Exhibiting exorbitant knowledge" |
| 20:20.35 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: [2008/08/05 21:59:19-164-x1]: Buffalo\Buffalo.lua:764: attempt to call global 'GetPlayerBuffDispelType' (a nil value) |
| 20:20.42 | Shirik | eh |
| 20:20.45 | Shirik | if he wants to know :) |
| 20:20.49 | foxlit | hm :) |
| 20:20.53 | Shirik | I could have just said no |
| 20:20.58 | Shirik | but the usual response to that is "why" |
| 20:21.01 | foxlit | Actually, I asked, so I'm fine with the response |
| 20:21.04 | Shirik | and the answer isn't technically "no" anyway |
| 20:21.06 | Xuerian | lol... |
| 20:21.12 | Xuerian | I'm giving shirik a hard time. |
| 20:21.13 | Xuerian | ~failrik |
| 20:21.14 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:21.25 | Xuerian | That is all :) |
| 20:21.28 | Kaso | i found Shirik explaination very intersesting! |
| 20:21.39 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: that isn't documented on the wiki, then? |
| 20:21.41 | Xuerian | (I did too, really.) |
| 20:21.43 | malreth | a big fat Rockwellian Thanksgiving turkey sized brain |
| 20:21.47 | Kaso | interesting too |
| 20:21.55 | Gnarfoz | since when is wowwiki accurate? :> |
| 20:22.06 | Gnarfoz | !api GetPlayerBuffDispelType |
| 20:22.06 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetPlayerBuffDispelType' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPlayerBuffDispelType |
| 20:22.08 | Shirik | however, I grow confused at the turkey brain, malreth :P |
| 20:22.20 | foxlit | Since it should be :) |
| 20:22.44 | malreth | Shirik: I'd say twenty pounds, at least. |
| 20:22.54 | Shirik | it's my field, I'd better know it! |
| 20:22.59 | foxlit | Give me a few secs, I'll see what I can add. |
| 20:23.06 | malreth | sorry... 9 kg |
| 20:23.25 | foxlit | I tried to test it with EBB a while ago, but one of its libs seems to dislike the beta client. |
| 20:23.27 | Gnarfoz | cladhaire to the rescue :) |
| 20:23.29 | Gnarfoz | ~hug cladhaire |
| 20:23.30 | purl | ACTION jumps into cladhaire's lap and huggles and *hugs* cladhaire |
| 20:23.37 | cladhaire | liez |
| 20:23.38 | Gnarfoz | multi highlight D: |
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| 20:34.04 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: http://foxlit.pastey.net/93164 |
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| 20:44.48 | nevcairiel | ~seen alestane |
| 20:44.53 | purl | alestane <n=nevin@c-76-24-240-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3d 23h 49m 29s ago, saying: 'Or another way, UnitBuff and UnitDebuff call UnitAura with specific filters.'. |
| 20:45.05 | nevcairiel | ~seen iriel |
| 20:45.06 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 16h 37m 24s ago, saying: 'One could argue that, by slowing your D/L when your U/L is saturated, TCP *IS* trying to be friendly'. |
| 20:47.04 | Mery | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 20:47.05 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowprogramming (4h 34m 32s) #wowuidev (4h 34m 32s) #wowace (4h 34m 32s) #curseforge (4h 34m 32s). Has said a total of 163 messages. Is idling for 2m, last said: '~seen iriel'. |
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| 20:47.13 | nevcairiel | ~lart Mery |
| 20:47.13 | purl | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking Mery's head off |
| 20:47.29 | malreth | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 20:47.30 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowprogramming (4h 34m 57s) #wowuidev (4h 34m 57s) #wowace (4h 34m 57s) #curseforge (4h 34m 57s). Has said a total of 164 messages. Is idling for 17s, last said: '~lart Mery'. |
| 20:50.39 | bleeter | kd3: well there's the details about that code stuff that indicated you can grant levels to a friend =)) |
| 20:51.19 | bleeter | kd3: yeah, I'm contemplating a 3rd account for my MB setup now, just for that bloody mount hahaa |
| 20:51.38 | bleeter | 'coz none of it looks retrospective :( |
| 20:56.55 | p3lim | anyone know if this new Recruit-a-friend thing is gonna hit the EU soon too? |
| 20:57.14 | p3lim | got a friend thats gonna join me, and this would benefit us both |
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| 21:06.02 | Cairenn|afk | so, I'm not seeing a ton of posts on the thread(s) yet - do I take that as no one has gotten their key yet? |
| 21:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn|afk: nope |
| 21:06.15 | Cairenn|afk | bleh |
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| 21:07.01 | Neo|Home | Cairenn: yeah just random invites |
| 21:07.05 | Neo|Home | Opt In stuff |
| 21:07.07 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 21:07.16 | Neo|Home | a friend with Blizzcon key hasn't gotten it either |
| 21:07.34 | Neo|Home | and he did sign up in good time (mind you he also had an alpha key but that shouldn't matter) |
| 21:07.59 | Neo|Home | basically they send a 2nd invite of opt in before finishing blizzcon/wwi and a first round of author keys |
| 21:08.21 | Cairenn | well, it's up to them how they want to send them |
| 21:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ... that kinda sucks... |
| 21:08.30 | Dashkal | I wonder what the delay is. |
| 21:08.33 | Neo|Home | of course |
| 21:08.35 | Cairenn | I just want to see you guys getting your keys as much as you do |
| 21:08.46 | Neo|Home | it's only hard because of the "build up" |
| 21:08.51 | nevcairiel | I still think we should be grateful that we have the ability to get them without any questsions asked |
| 21:08.54 | Neo|Home | I really can't use a beta key until Friday again |
| 21:08.57 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 21:09.02 | bleeter_ | nah, it's just obvious blizz don't want people with coding and debugging experience near their beta software 'coz .... ;) |
| 21:09.03 | Neo|Home | since Tue->Thu are raid nights |
| 21:09.20 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: not ungrateful, but it's still frustrating having that carrot out of reach |
| 21:09.23 | nevcairiel | all the important changes to the UI Code are not final yet anyway |
| 21:09.40 | Neo|Home | if they said "the author keys will be given out beginning in 2-3 weeks", I'd be fine |
| 21:09.41 | nevcairiel | secure environment lacks some stuff, threat API was just introduced last patch |
| 21:09.48 | Matrix110 | Well it would be nice to give authors some kind of gift for coding AddOns :P |
| 21:09.49 | Neo|Home | it's the complete lack of communication that sucks :) |
| 21:09.56 | Dashkal | ^^^ |
| 21:10.10 | Neo|Home | nevcairiel: but a lot of addons, like all mine, use neither threat nor secure stuff |
| 21:10.17 | Thunder_Child | devs are random people |
| 21:10.21 | bleeter_ | NightHawkTheSane: don't have any of that sane logic arounfd here plzkthx!!! |
| 21:10.24 | nevcairiel | so whats broken Neo|Home? :) |
| 21:10.38 | Aella | I'd say changing the signatures of about half of the built-in functions is fairly important. =) |
| 21:10.47 | Matrix110 | nevcairiel the .toc number! |
| 21:10.48 | Neo|Home | NightHawkTheSane: what is weird is that they have invited random peopl ebefore inviting "guaranteed keys" such as wwi, blizzcon and the dell laptop beta keys |
| 21:11.16 | Neo|Home | nevcairiel: I suspect some ui stuff and also combat log stuff - I think "AURA_REFRESH' works in MagicTargets but I don't know |
| 21:11.31 | nevcairiel | refresh is in 2.4.3 :) |
| 21:11.33 | Neo|Home | and I don't know what else changed that breaks my stuff but I'm sure it'll have some issues |
| 21:11.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Neo|Home: well, wwi/blizzcon/dell keys are arguably just as random :P |
| 21:11.50 | Neo|Home | nevcairiel: not on effects on enemy mobs at least |
| 21:11.56 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 21:11.58 | nevcairiel | maybe bugged :D |
| 21:12.02 | nevcairiel | but the event is there! |
| 21:12.05 | Neo|Home | the only event I see when I cast fear on a mob that is feared is the start cast event |
| 21:12.16 | Neo|Home | yes it's buggy |
| 21:12.25 | Neo|Home | but someone on beta forums mentioned it was there |
| 21:12.34 | Neo|Home | I coded for it.. it just doesn't trigger so I'm not sure if it works :) |
| 21:13.06 | Neo|Home | NightHawkTheSane: not really. they were given as a bonus for attending an event or buying a really expensive laptop. :P should have priority imho |
| 21:14.08 | malreth | i thought we just make fun of people buying expensive laptops |
| 21:14.13 | bleeter_ | yeah, the added bonus with the laptop is having to deal with Dell customer support whilst waiting for the goodies in a snail mail =)) |
| 21:14.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Neo|Home: eh, from my perspective, financially affording those things is just as random as picking a name out of ahat. |
| 21:14.54 | Neo|Home | financially affording to buy lottery tickets shouldn't give you a higher chance to win than someone who doesn't pay lottery tickets! |
| 21:15.18 | Thunder_Child | Neo|Home, no way, one can be worked for |
| 21:15.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Neo|Home: wait, what? you lost me there. |
| 21:15.45 | Thunder_Child | or if you want to be literal about it, you can stack the odds |
| 21:16.31 | Neo|Home | NightHawkTheSane: buynig a ticket to get a benefit should give you a higher chance to get the benefit than some random dood |
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| 21:17.57 | Aella | If one person buys one lottery ticket and another buys five, and both have one ticket that wins something, you wouldn't expect the person who bought five tickets to be notified first. |
| 21:18.13 | Thunder_Child | not expect...but they could be |
| 21:18.14 | Aella | You *would* expect the same time, but eh. |
| 21:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Neo|Home: fair enough, and i'd be okay with blizzcon/wwi/dell keys going out before opt-in keys too, i'm just saying, my opinion is that dev keys ought to have been before both. But, as noted, thats my opinion, and you're all free to disagree. :) |
| 21:20.04 | bleeter | sounds to me like a disjoint somewhere there. maybe I missed something. buying a laptop that *guarantees* access to ALL betas is not random. |
| 21:20.26 | malreth | hey... |
| 21:20.55 | malreth | there's only enough room for one elitist on this channel |
| 21:20.58 | bleeter | if I could buy a lappy that guaranteed me next weekend's winning lotto numbers, I'd buy it because chance is not involved. |
| 21:21.03 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: if it's a limited supply, then it could be considered, even not, the financial ability to do so is often out of the individual control of a person's immediate ability |
| 21:21.09 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, it's not how you got the jey, but when |
| 21:21.12 | Thunder_Child | key* |
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| 21:22.41 | bleeter | ah, well that's easy to deal with. The customers waited a month or more to get the paperwork from Dell, or had to deal with Dell customer support who had NFI about the program. So waiting a few more weeks for a beta key should be no great shakes, Dell trained them for it ;) :P |
| 21:22.57 | Neo|Home | NightHawkTheSane: imho [special keys] > dev keys > random riffraff :P |
| 21:23.29 | Aella | Well, don't forget that technically, getting random riffraff in the game ASAP is the best choice for Blizzard. |
| 21:23.34 | Aella | Random sampling and all that. |
| 21:23.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Neo|Home: as noted, i disagree, but i'm willing to admit it's more or less pure opinion |
| 21:23.49 | bleeter | spose if there's some new riffraff idiocy protection code they need early testing on.... /whistle innocently |
| 21:24.14 | malreth | "random riffraff"? |
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| 21:24.37 | NightHawkTheSane | any schmo who can click the "opt in" button, essentially. ;) |
| 21:25.17 | malreth | why should those people have lower priority on gaining entry to the beta? |
| 21:25.45 | bleeter | ability to create decent and useful bug reports? |
| 21:27.02 | malreth | as opposed to the people who'll spend more time in a text editor than in an instance? :p |
| 21:27.21 | haste | I'm guessing it's because people like us would stand 10h at the low-level spawn and code instead of explore |
| 21:27.32 | malreth | haste: bingo |
| 21:27.40 | haste | that was at least my first action the tbc alpha :p |
| 21:27.56 | bleeter | spose on the upside, it means that when the addon authors do get the keys, the QA dept of Blizz will be used to 'it duznt werk plzfixkthx' reports, so our own reports can be dumbed down for our own ease |
| 21:27.59 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe i'm far too much of a developer, but i don't se a problem with that. ;) |
| 21:28.01 | Aella | Or maybe picking names out of a hat is technically easier than entering a list of addresses =) |
| 21:28.21 | haste | they've had a week! |
| 21:28.31 | Aella | Maybe they're all out of interns |
| 21:28.33 | haste | that's more than enough time to write a perl script |
| 21:28.57 | Kirov | Amazingly, all of the current Beta key holders last names start with the letters A, B, C, D or F |
| 21:29.02 | malreth | think of it this way... you'll be helping test a more polished, usable game by the time you get in |
| 21:29.47 | malreth | getting in early on a beta is just a test in frustration |
| 21:29.57 | malreth | s/a test/an exercise/ |
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| 21:30.19 | Tuller | so my question is: What is the purpose of the blue tint at the top of some windshields? |
| 21:30.27 | ckknight | part of me wishes that lua has properties (like Python, Delphi, C#, etc.) |
| 21:30.36 | ckknight | had* |
| 21:30.38 | Shirik | sun |
| 21:30.39 | Neo|Home | Tuller: minimize sun glare |
| 21:30.40 | Shirik | it's like sunglasses |
| 21:30.40 | malreth | off to find me some lesbians... later people! |
| 21:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Tuller: for the sun |
| 21:30.53 | bleeter | more precisely than sun, glare |
| 21:31.05 | Tuller | fair enough :P |
| 21:31.32 | Shirik | I would be a fan of polarized windshields though |
| 21:31.37 | Shirik | I think it's a good idea |
| 21:31.40 | NightHawkTheSane | although its usually pretty useless, because the sun is worse when it's setting and you're driving west. |
| 21:31.42 | Shirik | potentially unsafe though |
| 21:31.44 | NightHawkTheSane | (or rising and driving east) |
| 21:31.52 | Matrix110 | Kirov I just asked 2 people 1 that got his key today has a last name starting with one of these chars but the other ones last name doesnt so your theory is wrong :P |
| 21:32.17 | Tuller | step 1: buy new car; step 2: have rock hit windshield two days later; step 3: get windshield replaced, but have it be replaced one with tint at the top |
| 21:32.30 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:32.43 | Tuller | a summary of the events of last week for me :P |
| 21:33.01 | Tuller | old winshield lacked the blue tint at the top, new one has it |
| 21:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds like fun |
| 21:33.09 | NightHawkTheSane | and by fun, i mean painful |
| 21:33.25 | Shirik | oh I thought you did that intentionally, heh |
| 21:34.03 | Neo|Home | Tuller: ironically I think sure tinting is illegal in some US states |
| 21:34.09 | Neo|Home | because it obstructs the view |
| 21:34.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate cars with tinted windows >< |
| 21:34.48 | Tuller | all cars have tinted windows :P |
| 21:35.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean tinted to be one-way. |
| 21:35.05 | Tuller | oh |
| 21:35.09 | Tuller | yeah, that's painful |
| 21:35.26 | NightHawkTheSane | it turns a car with windows you could see through to the other side into a gigantic box blocking you from seeing oncoming traffic |
| 21:35.33 | Tuller | ckknight: properties are...weird to me |
| 21:35.43 | ckknight | howso? |
| 21:35.56 | Tuller | they don't seem direct :P |
| 21:36.03 | Tuller | well, they don't seem clear, rather |
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| 21:36.19 | Thunder_Child | full tinted front window is illigal in most US states |
| 21:36.26 | Tuller | x.Y := z |
| 21:36.35 | Kirov | Matrix110 - hehe, yeah, I know someone who's last name starts with a T and is in the beta. |
| 21:36.37 | Tuller | where Y does something completely amazing |
| 21:36.52 | Tuller | Kirov: not me :P |
| 21:37.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: yeah, it is, but not side/rear |
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| 21:38.39 | ckknight | Tuller: well, typically it wouldn't do much outside of checking to see it's a proper value and such |
| 21:38.40 | Neo|Home | NightHawkTheSane: often side/rear is illegal |
| 21:38.46 | Neo|Home | it's just that no one seems to care |
| 21:39.03 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, rear no, some places front side yes |
| 21:39.33 | Matrix110 | Here in germany its illegal to do it in the front front side windows rear/back is allowed though, in the front window only top tinting is allowed |
| 21:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child, Neo|Home: probably, i'm not exactly up on the exact rules and i imagine they vary by state. I just know i see a lot of tinted front windows |
| 21:40.24 | Tuller | ckknight: when I've seen someone using properties in code @ work, they're doing Variable read = pVariable; write = pVariable; |
| 21:40.40 | ckknight | very typical |
| 21:40.40 | Tuller | ie, in a completely stupid way :P |
| 21:40.59 | ckknight | ...no, since then if you change it to add something later, there's no API breakage |
| 21:41.10 | Tuller | I'll clarify |
| 21:41.16 | Tuller | if you knew the guy who wrote the code |
| 21:41.27 | Tuller | its in a completely stupid way :P |
| 21:41.47 | ckknight | um, okay? |
| 21:41.56 | ckknight | I still wish I could use em |
| 21:42.18 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, for example in LA you cant have tinting any farther down the front window than 3 in |
| 21:42.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Random question: anyone famliar with log4net in .net? (although this is probably relatively generic..) |
| 21:48.08 | PProvost | Tuller, the purpose of the property, even when it is a simple pass thru to internal fields, is to enable refactoring of the internal implementation without changing the external interface. In languages like Ruby that have duck typing, it is silly, but in statically typed languages, it is often the best choice. |
| 21:48.27 | PProvost | But you knew that already. :) |
| 21:48.29 | Tuller | I understand the purpose |
| 21:48.53 | Tuller | and I see that it can be a nice replacement for Get/Set |
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| 21:49.19 | PProvost | Property compared to Get/Set methods is just syntactic sugar |
| 21:49.26 | Tuller | right |
| 21:49.48 | PProvost | In fact, in .NET, the generated code actually IS a get_ and set_ method. |
| 21:49.55 | PProvost | Assume other lanugages are similar |
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| 21:52.59 | Tuller | Get and Set just feel a bit clearer |
| 21:53.55 | Tuller | but to be honest, it shouldn't matter too much |
| 22:00.53 | Neo|Home | implicit get/set => less code to write and gives you the flexibility to write them explicedly if needed without changing the api syntax |
| 22:01.23 | Neo|Home | Java really needs to make "foo.bar" be a short for "foo.getBar()" and "foo.bar = ..." foo.setBar(...) |
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| 22:03.33 | laeg | does anybody know how long eu servers are down for? i know they get weekly maintenance but it's usually in the middle of the night |
| 22:03.34 | Kaso | but then how would define if you want bar read only? |
| 22:03.42 | Kaso | or write only? (im not sure why) |
| 22:04.07 | [dRaCo] | laeg: the MotD says 0000 - 0700 |
| 22:04.20 | laeg | [dRaCo]: ugh thanks, missed it |
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| 22:05.14 | laeg | i guess i could, and call me crazy, sleep like normal people tonight |
| 22:05.23 | [dRaCo] | na, that's lame |
| 22:05.28 | laeg | :) |
| 22:05.31 | [dRaCo] | find something else to do |
| 22:05.44 | laeg | i have some xml lua guides to read but it's 11pm here |
| 22:06.17 | Kaso | xml lua ^_- |
| 22:06.51 | Kirov | Anyone know how frequently the armory updates? |
| 22:07.01 | Kirov | Is it just every night ~midnight? |
| 22:07.14 | Tuller | after you log out at some point? |
| 22:07.31 | [dRaCo] | I still believe in the "after a logout" theory |
| 22:07.55 | Kirov | Right, but what point |
| 22:08.13 | [dRaCo] | once they know you're not logging right back in |
| 22:08.24 | [dRaCo] | I'd go with 30 minutens |
| 22:08.28 | [dRaCo] | -n |
| 22:08.55 | laeg | i wonder will this early maintenance cause the eu forums to go down with the influx of users |
| 22:09.12 | Tuller | moocow |
| 22:09.47 | Kaso | Freenode staffers are always so polite |
| 22:14.27 | Thunder_Child | i could never be a freenode staffer |
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| 22:16.11 | Neo|Home | NightHawkTheSane: Legacy code rules |
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| 22:19.30 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.31 | nevcairiel | man EU beta doesnt let me login again :( |
| 22:25.36 | nevcairiel | thats like happening every day |
| 22:26.29 | Tem | ugh |
| 22:26.35 | Tem | any C# people around? |
| 22:26.49 | Tem | how do I spit a System.IO.Stream to Console.Out? |
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| 22:33.11 | Cairenn | here we go again ... |
| 22:33.29 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, hmm? |
| 22:33.49 | Cairenn | it only took a week and a half this time |
| 22:33.54 | bleeter | 'coz I'm sexy |
| 22:33.55 | Thunder_Child | we are all ungreatfull assholes? any people in particular? |
| 22:33.57 | bleeter | doh |
| 22:34.03 | Thunder_Child | s/s?/s/ |
| 22:34.04 | Kirov | Cairenn - zomg, why don't I have my beta key yet!!!11 |
| 22:34.06 | Cairenn | I didn't say you guys were |
| 22:34.11 | Cairenn | Kirov: yeah, that |
| 22:34.12 | bleeter | crap |
| 22:34.15 | bleeter | i'm not trying hard enough then |
| 22:34.16 | Thunder_Child | i know, i'm saying we are |
| 22:34.22 | Cairenn | "I'll be grateful when I get my key" |
| 22:34.57 | Neo|Home | yeah Cairenn wtf. get those keys out becuase clearly it's completely in your control. don't be such an ass withholding the keys from us!!!11!1 |
| 22:35.11 | jaxdahl | is the in-game mailbox broken? |
| 22:35.14 | bleeter | Cairenn: well, to get into beta you need an account in good standing... so.. to my mind at least, if some wowi user is being abusive to you, their wowi account shouldn't be in good standing therefore don't qualify... but that's just me being an asshole ;) :P |
| 22:35.15 | Neo|Home | note: attempt att funneh above |
| 22:35.16 | jaxdahl | i can't open a letter that is in it |
| 22:35.19 | jaxdahl | (on beta) |
| 22:35.36 | Neo|Home | jaxdahl: report it as a bug? |
| 22:35.38 | Cairenn | I know, I'm not mad at you guys, I'm just venting because I know you guys understand |
| 22:35.42 | Neo|Home | are things like AH and vendors working? |
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| 22:35.56 | jaxdahl | AH has been fubared for a while |
| 22:36.05 | jaxdahl | results disappear when i scroll through the list |
| 22:36.14 | jaxdahl | vendors have been working fine |
| 22:36.25 | Neo|Home | Cairenn: maybe for future giveaways, limit it to author who already had their stuff up? (I know part of it helps promote wowi but it seems the ppl that put up addons, or even wrote ones, just for this might be prone to me more anal) |
| 22:36.38 | Neo|Home | jaxdahl: I'd just bug it and move on |
| 22:37.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Neo|Home: >.> thats not really true.. |
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| 22:37.27 | Cairenn | meh, I put up with it last time and I'll put up with it again this time because even though there are assholes pissing me off in the thread, the overall benefit for the entire community is worth it |
| 22:37.28 | Neo|Home | omg I just got 23 spams in no time |
| 22:37.55 | Cairenn | just those of you that weren't around last time didn't get to experience my venting in here |
| 22:37.56 | jaxdahl | i had to hold down shift to open it |
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| 22:38.24 | KarlKFI | zomg, i has chatscrolz canihas beta keyz plx! |
| 22:38.24 | Neo|Home | Cairenn: ah so sharing the love and joy :) |
| 22:38.36 | Neo|Home | I wasn't really an addon developer back in the BC beta timeframe |
| 22:38.46 | Cairenn | I come in here, blow off some steam, vent to people that I know will understand and DO appreciate everything we (all the addon sites) and Blizz do to help, then I can keep smiling on the site |
| 22:38.47 | hipjipp | all EU servers down atm? :'< (sorry for interrupting) |
| 22:38.49 | Neo|Home | I think I had already made my tetris clone at that point but not released |
| 22:39.27 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, however, you would make us smile if you vented @ them on the site.... |
| 22:39.37 | KarlKFI | cair, you should make some funny exploding cair faces with mspaint and post them liek cartoons |
| 22:39.50 | Neo|Home | Cairenn: have you considered making addons with your downloader use something but zip files (repackaging as needed)? Dunno if you saw my arguments in doing this but like bzip2 or 7z is would be about 30-40% smaller files |
| 22:40.07 | Neo|Home | I dunno what your bandwidth use/costs are but that's one way to decrease it by a nice chunk |
| 22:40.43 | Thunder_Child | Neo|Home, needs to go to the lowest common denominator, and almost everyone has zip |
| 22:41.11 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: Updater |
| 22:41.12 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 22:41.13 | Xuerian | Internal only |
| 22:41.17 | KarlKFI | does win98 have unzip? i know 2k comes with unzip |
| 22:41.27 | Neo|Home | yeah waht Xuerian said |
| 22:41.34 | Neo|Home | only if you use the updater |
| 22:41.38 | Xuerian | Generate both zips (Public) and bzip files, pull the bzips with the updater |
| 22:41.39 | Neo|Home | where the user doesn't see the file |
| 22:41.40 | Cairenn | but that would mean we'd have to unzip and recompress |
| 22:41.45 | Neo|Home | it would |
| 22:41.53 | Xuerian | Don't you already? |
| 22:41.57 | Cairenn | which we categorically will not do |
| 22:41.57 | Neo|Home | it would mean more storage space and more cpu time on the server side |
| 22:41.58 | Thunder_Child | why bother? |
| 22:42.09 | Cairenn | we don't touch authors mods |
| 22:42.15 | Neo|Home | Thunder_Child: well. talking wowace. 50 TB of data per month |
| 22:42.19 | Xuerian | Ah. |
| 22:42.31 | Neo|Home | move to bzip and you save 20 TB |
| 22:42.40 | Xuerian | Well, for one |
| 22:42.45 | Xuerian | The index should have been compressed on that |
| 22:42.51 | Xuerian | For 500kb of addon updates you have 2mb of index |
| 22:43.06 | Neo|Home | a lot of the wowace "costs" could have been prevented or made significantly smaller |
| 22:43.23 | Xuerian | Before you even get to downloading the addons themselves, yeah |
| 22:43.41 | Neo|Home | like external handling - now you downlaod the full file, and then delete 80% of them and download them separately |
| 22:43.57 | Xuerian | Neo|Home: Noext versions are built on the server |
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| 22:44.12 | Dashkal | hmm, got lag and just saw the (understandable) rant now. I really hope I'm not coming across that way with my impatience. |
| 22:44.17 | Neo|Home | Xuerian: they are? ah well that helps then. I figured they were handled client side |
| 22:44.58 | Xuerian | Neo|Home: Afaik they are |
| 22:47.37 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 22:47.41 | Shirik | In gmail I'm reviewing my spam |
| 22:47.49 | Shirik | and this ad pops up: Spam recipies: http://www.recipesource.com/main-dishes/meat/pork/spam/00/rec0025.html |
| 22:48.08 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you have never had them |
| 22:48.08 | Sixen | haaai |
| 22:48.09 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 22:48.17 | Thunder_Child | they are supposed to be really good |
| 22:49.05 | Shirik | had them? |
| 22:49.07 | Shirik | what's them? |
| 22:49.14 | Shirik | spam fajitas? |
| 22:49.17 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 22:49.25 | Shirik | I've never had spam at all |
| 22:50.31 | Thunder_Child | really? |
| 22:50.33 | Thunder_Child | Shirik |
| 22:50.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik |
| 22:50.38 | Thunder_Child | Shirik |
| 22:50.40 | Thunder_Child | XD |
| 22:50.46 | Shirik | I should kill you |
| 22:50.53 | Thunder_Child | i wish you would try |
| 22:51.02 | KarlKFI | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 22:51.02 | purl | duct-tapes Thunder_Child to the floor and drools on him |
| 22:51.05 | End | just boot him, it's faster and more satisifying |
| 22:51.11 | End | :P |
| 22:51.21 | Thunder_Child | faster yes, satisfying...i doubt it |
| 22:51.43 | KarlKFI | why are you reviewing oyur spam |
| 22:51.51 | Thunder_Child | to make sure it IS spam |
| 22:51.58 | Thunder_Child | no filter is perfect |
| 22:52.09 | KarlKFI | if someone was stupid enough to send you somehting that was enough liek spam to be sent to the spam box they deserved it |
| 22:52.50 | Thunder_Child | hardly |
| 22:53.12 | KarlKFI | i'm easy enough to get a hold of. If someone has problems they weren't trying hard enough |
| 22:53.33 | End | I'm hard to get a hold of |
| 22:53.55 | Thunder_Child | I'm sure i could send you an email that would get spam flagged yet make perfect sense |
| 22:54.06 | KarlKFI | google me, i bet you can find my address and phone number |
| 22:54.28 | KarlKFI | prolyl dont even have to use my real name |
| 22:54.29 | End | Does this make sense? XJS*C4JDBQADN1.NSBN3*2IDNEN*GTUBE-STANDARD-ANTI-UBE-TEST-EMAIL*C.34X |
| 22:54.50 | Xuerian | Anti-something-test-email? 0_o |
| 22:55.25 | End | most anti-spam filters are supposed to detect it, since its a specificied string |
| 22:55.31 | Thunder_Child | lol KarlKFI, i didnt know you were AnduinLothar....multi names FTL |
| 22:55.49 | KarlKFI | see, you weren't trying hard enough! |
| 22:55.52 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 22:55.54 | End | You didn't know that was AnduinLothar? |
| 22:55.59 | End | jeez thunder_child! |
| 22:56.01 | End | you fail! |
| 22:56.04 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 22:56.04 | Xuerian | Neither did you, End. |
| 22:56.06 | Thunder_Child | no, i thought AnduinLothar was AnduinLothar |
| 22:56.07 | Xuerian | :P |
| 22:56.13 | End | Actually, I did know :P |
| 22:56.17 | Thunder_Child | silly me i guess |
| 22:56.20 | KarlKFI | damn it, stop pinging my home box |
| 22:56.22 | Xuerian | Well, I didn't either |
| 22:56.38 | Tuller | attempt to convert the wowinterface beta key thread to an lol feed failed, bah |
| 22:56.53 | Xuerian | Tuller: linx |
| 22:57.06 | Tuller | failed, I said :P |
| 22:57.13 | Xuerian | So? :P |
| 22:57.21 | Thunder_Child | ok, i has your email KarlKFI |
| 22:57.23 | End | I tend to lurk a lot...and when I mean lurk, I don't mean lurk, but I'm afk a lot |
| 22:57.35 | Tuller | Xuerian: http://lol.ianloic.com/feed/blue.mmo-champion.com/feed.rss |
| 22:57.36 | End | I was winning at idlerpg in this channel |
| 22:57.38 | Tuller | have that instead :P |
| 22:57.39 | KarlKFI | only my email, you can do better than that |
| 22:57.40 | Thunder_Child | KARL F. ISENBERG |
| 22:57.40 | Thunder_Child | File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML |
| 22:57.40 | Thunder_Child | karlkfi@yahoo.com. 626.710.7988. Campus Address. 3801 Parkview Lane Apt 7C. Irvine, CA |
| 22:57.52 | Thunder_Child | Home Address. 1672 Locust st. Pasadena, CA 91106 |
| 22:57.57 | KarlKFI | ok that one's old. but it would get forwarded |
| 22:58.26 | KarlKFI | see. not that hard |
| 22:58.36 | Xuerian | haha |
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| 22:58.42 | KarlKFI | bet you can find out what that F stands for too |
| 22:58.53 | End | I suspect anyone who really tried could get similar information about me...the only problem is I don't answer my phone or my email ;-p |
| 22:59.01 | Kirov | Funtime! |
| 22:59.14 | Kirov | (his parents were hippies) |
| 22:59.28 | End | Karl Funtime Isenberg? |
| 23:00.00 | Tuller | Xuerian: http://lol.ianloic.com/feed/www.wowinterface.com/rss/threads.xml |
| 23:00.05 | Tuller | latest feeds, at least |
| 23:00.13 | End | wow, that was a loud siren |
| 23:00.27 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI, Niki Vavoudis, well you should not drag others in |
| 23:00.53 | Xuerian | lol... Some of those come out pretty funny |
| 23:00.57 | KarlKFI | she dumped me recently |
| 23:01.12 | KarlKFI | so fell free to google her all you want |
| 23:01.21 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 23:01.24 | Thunder_Child | ~lart KarlKFI |
| 23:01.24 | purl | turns KarlKFI into a lifesized tux doll |
| 23:01.29 | KarlKFI | Google: 109 for KarlKFI, 4,490 for AnduinLothar, 140,000 for Karl Isenberg |
| 23:02.03 | KarlKFI | "Prince Karl Isenberg is today a member of the Prussian house of lords." |
| 23:02.08 | KarlKFI | i wish |
| 23:02.26 | End | zomg AH_QuickSearch has been deprecated! |
| 23:02.54 | KarlKFI | wasn't it absorbed into the default ui? |
| 23:03.00 | End | I have no idea |
| 23:03.06 | KarlKFI | pretty sure it was |
| 23:03.11 | End | port 82 is a strange port though |
| 23:03.27 | KarlKFI | i dont want to pay for a business accoutn with my isp |
| 23:03.32 | End | I mean jeez, most people do 8000 or 8080 if they can't use 80 ;-p |
| 23:03.40 | KarlKFI | and they block 80 and 8080 |
| 23:03.51 | KarlKFI | i didn't try 8000 |
| 23:04.50 | End | I like how you went from Albertsons to Blizzard |
| 23:05.13 | End | ok, done digging through your life :P |
| 23:05.14 | KarlKFI | yeah. Albertsons was a stopgap while i was broke |
| 23:05.56 | KarlKFI | freelance pays better hourly but is harder to keep steady |
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| 23:07.06 | laeg | i hate people who talk down to other people on the forums |
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| 23:07.48 | laeg | especially when they use terms like 'plz' |
| 23:09.06 | KarlKFI | mmm most of those for my name aren't about me. |
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| 23:09.45 | KarlKFI | pretty sure all the ones about KarlKFI are me tho. had this sn for over a decade |
| 23:11.51 | Thunder_Child | your facebook pic != blizzcon pic |
| 23:13.07 | KarlKFI | mmm facebook one is from like 4 years ago |
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| 23:14.32 | KarlKFI | mmm iphone app wont let me upload a new one, lame |
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| 23:23.03 | Aznamir | What's happening? |
| 23:23.08 | Aznamir | No keys yet? |
| 23:23.37 | Dashkal | nope |
| 23:24.26 | Aznamir | tw78ksen |
| 23:24.37 | KarlKFI | ah ok. i can email photos to facebook |
| 23:26.00 | Aznamir | you'll never guess |
| 23:29.16 | KarlKFI | hmm i wonder how i got on the credits for Prat |
| 23:29.18 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: ping |
| 23:29.54 | Thunder_Child | ~seen lunessa |
| 23:29.57 | purl | lunessa <n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4d 1h 30m 3s ago, saying: 'Ok, I'm out. See you guys later.'. |
| 23:31.09 | Aznamir | that was my other beta account, but I changed it anyway :) |
| 23:31.44 | KarlKFI | zomg. Fizzwidget cloned ReputationMenu in FactionFriend |
| 23:32.13 | Neo|Home | wtf is up with all the ppl with multiple beta keys zomg! |
| 23:33.31 | Kirov | Neo|Home - I have an infinite number of beta keys! |
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| 23:35.19 | Anaral | Okay, so there is an acheivment in LK where if you collect all pets (guess is non-combat), that you get a skunk named Stinky. Now my question; does this only count pets that the game's subtypes as a Pet or will pets like the Chicken Egg count towards the achievment even though its subtype is Junk? |
| 23:35.47 | Neo|Home | I'd expect chicken egg to be a normal companion pet |
| 23:35.53 | Neo|Home | i.e pets you put in the companion UI |
| 23:36.05 | Neo|Home | aren't all these becoming items you use to "learn" them? |
| 23:36.22 | Tekkub | where is Iriel, I need to poke at his ass a bit |
| 23:36.53 | Neo|Home | Tekkub: find a private room for that kthnx |
| 23:36.54 | Anaral | Probably... but it still begs the question of what they consider 'all pets'. |
| 23:37.01 | Kirov | Tekkub - That's not information you usually need to share so publicly. |
| 23:37.02 | End | I'm curious too |
| 23:37.04 | Neo|Home | Anaral: any "companions" I'd say |
| 23:37.14 | Neo|Home | chicken is a companion pet |
| 23:37.20 | Neo|Home | and most likely you can play catch with one :P |
| 23:37.27 | End | you can't collect ALL pets though, unless they make some changes :P |
| 23:37.28 | Anaral | Heh |
| 23:37.30 | End | or change what ALL means |
| 23:37.42 | Anaral | Exactly why I put 'All' in '' |
| 23:37.49 | Kirov | There's a problem with the "all pets" ... like the original collector's edition pets. You only got one, not all 3 |
| 23:38.00 | End | yeah, there's that too |
| 23:38.07 | Neo|Home | I see what you mean |
| 23:38.08 | End | considering blizzcon too |
| 23:38.09 | End | I mean |
| 23:38.13 | End | that'd be a hard feat to get |
| 23:38.14 | Neo|Home | all is impossible so what do they mean exactly |
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| 23:38.16 | End | er, achievement |
| 23:38.21 | Anaral | My guess will be all pets in game that don't come from real world means and/or retired pets. |
| 23:38.26 | KarlKFI | mmm Chinese ChatBar: http://www.wowui.cn/ui/chat/223.html |
| 23:38.27 | End | I suspect they'll mean all normal in game pets though |
| 23:38.37 | Kirov | What about the blackrock depths pets? |
| 23:38.56 | End | or the feralas one alliance get |
| 23:38.56 | Kirov | You only get one chance at one of them. |
| 23:39.04 | Kirov | The sprite darter |
| 23:39.05 | Neo|Home | Kirov: what do you mean? |
| 23:39.06 | End | yeah |
| 23:39.10 | End | that's it, sprite darter |
| 23:39.14 | End | horde can't get that :P |
| 23:39.16 | Neo|Home | the BRD pets I mean |
| 23:39.29 | Kirov | Neo - the spider and the worg pup |
| 23:39.35 | End | I'm not sure how you only get one chance |
| 23:39.44 | Neo|Home | that's BRS isn't it? |
| 23:39.51 | End | yeah, it's BRS |
| 23:39.51 | Kirov | Sorry, yes. |
| 23:39.55 | Kirov | LBRS |
| 23:39.57 | Neo|Home | in either case, if you did the quest to get them you can get thme again |
| 23:39.59 | Neo|Home | from a stable master |
| 23:40.15 | Anaral | Yeah, so either some of these 'achievments' are just being put in for shits and giggles or GM gain. |
| 23:40.20 | Neo|Home | meaning if you did the quest and destroyed it you can get it back. same thing with one-time keys (find the key master) |
| 23:40.23 | Neo|Home | like the BRD key |
| 23:40.25 | Kirov | Neo - The problem with the worg one is if you failed once, you could never do it again. |
| 23:40.35 | Kirov | (if you attempted it when the quest first appeared) |
| 23:40.37 | Neo|Home | Kirov: then I guess you failed :P |
| 23:40.43 | Kirov | I never attempted it. :) |
| 23:40.44 | End | if you failed once? |
| 23:40.50 | End | o_O |
| 23:40.50 | Neo|Home | I have both on my lock |
| 23:40.52 | KarlKFI | i have a worg |
| 23:41.09 | KarlKFI | i dont think i ever actually finished the mother's milk one. that the spider? |
| 23:41.18 | Xuerian | Yes |
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| 23:41.18 | End | yea |
| 23:41.27 | Kirov | End - you got the cage. On use the cage would disappear. If you died or got interupted when using the cage, you fail and can't get another. |
| 23:41.35 | End | drop the quest? |
| 23:41.37 | End | and reget it? |
| 23:42.02 | Neo|Home | ^^^ that seems to make sense |
| 23:42.04 | Kirov | End - Originally you finished the quest to get the cage. |
| 23:42.09 | End | ahhhh |
| 23:42.11 | Kirov | The cage gave you the next quest. |
| 23:42.20 | Anaral | My Rogue will have quite a time with the quest ones. |
| 23:42.22 | Kirov | They fixed it later, but if you did it originally you're screwed. |
| 23:42.43 | End | weird |
| 23:42.50 | End | a GM would be able to fix that though |
| 23:42.53 | End | would being should |
| 23:43.32 | Kirov | Maybe, though it would probably count towards the number of times items can be "gotten back" on an account. |
| 23:43.44 | Kirov | And I don't know if they can check that you've completed a specific quest. |
| 23:44.07 | End | they should be able to |
| 23:44.12 | End | the game remembers what quests you've done |
| 23:44.13 | Kirov | They tend to not give back items that were quest rewards. |
| 23:44.17 | End | even if it doesn't expose that info |
| 23:44.32 | Kirov | End - right, the question is if GMs have access to that. |
| 23:44.57 | End | although, if you're lucky, the cage getting questing was changed into the entire quest, and it'll think you got the worg already and you can pick it up at the stable master :P |
| 23:45.06 | Kirov | I've heard a lot of cases of people who will get back everything on their account, except a quest reward item. |
| 23:45.13 | End | hm |
| 23:45.16 | End | I dunno |
| 23:45.22 | Kirov | *shrug* |
| 23:45.42 | Kirov | My guess is every player is able to complete the "All Pets" acheivement |
| 23:45.49 | Shirik|Ghost | is there any kind of comprehensive listing of combat event types? |
| 23:46.04 | Kirov | Shirik - beyond the wiki page? |
| 23:46.10 | Shirik | is it on the wiki? |
| 23:46.55 | Xuerian | GMs can check if you have completed a quest |
| 23:47.10 | Sixen | They can see a lot of stuff =p |
| 23:47.11 | Xuerian | I can verify, one pointed that out when I thought I trashed my hellfire crit trinket |
| 23:47.22 | Xuerian | Turns out I never did it >_> |
| 23:50.45 | Anaral | Is there a textual, not numerical, list of all of the ingame subtypes somewhere? |
| 23:51.06 | Kirov | Shirik - http://www.wowwiki.com/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_Details ? |
| 23:51.24 | KarlKFI | subtypes of what? |
| 23:51.46 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemType |
| 23:51.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i love it when right-click->'find all references' CRASHES visual studio. |
| 23:51.55 | NightHawkTheSane | that makes my day SO MUCH better. |
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