| 00:01.32 | Atriace | lua> local v=1; if v then print("test") end |
| 00:01.33 | lua_bot | Atriace: test |
| 00:01.40 | Atriace | lua> local v; if v then print("test") end |
| 00:01.40 | lua_bot | Atriace: No output |
| 00:02.09 | Cide | honestly, what did you expect? |
| 00:02.26 | Atriace | So when specifying a local and not giving it a value, doesn't that simply sit a placeholder for when you do give it a value? |
| 00:02.33 | Cide | print(1 + 1 == 2); // true |
| 00:02.47 | Cide | it implies nothing; it explicitly means it's nil |
| 00:02.59 | Atriace | but v still exists. |
| 00:03.00 | Cide | I guess that implies it's nil |
| 00:03.01 | Atriace | as nil |
| 00:03.06 | Cide | so what? |
| 00:03.09 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 00:03.19 | Cide | if v then -- tests if v evaluates to true, that is, is not false or nil |
| 00:04.11 | Atriace | Ah. That explains it. |
| 00:18.13 | Anaral | Is there an easy way to add color quality to frame:addline ("something",ilvl) without using a lib? |
| 00:18.31 | Anaral | adddoubleline* |
| 00:19.21 | Kaso | GameTooltip:AddDoubleLine("textLeft", "textRight" [, rL, gL, bL [, rR, gR, bR]]) |
| 00:20.05 | Anaral | No, I want the rR,gR,bR to be in an items quality. |
| 00:20.37 | Kaso | theres a nice global table out there with all the item qualities and their respective colours |
| 00:20.38 | Kaso | lemme find it |
| 00:21.08 | Anaral | I want it to call it for any tooltip. |
| 00:22.25 | Kaso | you can use tooltip:GetItem(), then GetItemInfo() then GetItemQualityColor(index) |
| 00:22.52 | Anaral | I am having difficulty actually calling it in the string itself. I have the GetItemQualityColor(index) |
| 00:23.10 | Anaral | function frame:Color(text,rarity) |
| 00:23.10 | Anaral | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.10 | Anaral | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.10 | Anaral | end |
| 00:24.20 | Kaso | what issue are you having |
| 00:24.27 | Anaral | But I don't know how to properly call it in the adddouble line |
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| 00:25.31 | Kaso | if you're using |cff hex colouring then you just pass the returned string from :Color() to the first or second argument of adddoubleline |
| 00:26.01 | Kaso | but a more correct way to go about things would be: |
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| 00:27.24 | Tuller | I've come to the conclusion that there needs to be an arena map without any LOS issues |
| 00:27.30 | Kaso | local r,g,b = GetItemQualityColor(select(3,tooltip:GetItem())) |
| 00:27.31 | Kaso | GameTooltip:AddDoubleLine("textLeft", "textRight", r, g, b) |
| 00:27.44 | Kaso | presuming you want leftText coloured right |
| 00:28.14 | Kaso | woops missed a bit |
| 00:28.50 | Kaso | local r,g,b = GetItemQualityColor( select( 3,GetItemInfo( tooltip:GetItem() ) ) ); |
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| 00:33.20 | Kaso | Anaral, any help? |
| 00:33.23 | Anaral | I'm testing |
| 00:33.49 | Anaral | Would I add the r,g,b to its own line or add it to: local name, link = frame:GetItem(itemID) |
| 00:34.33 | Kaso | Well that line i posted does everything in one line, but you can split it up if you like |
| 00:35.37 | Kaso | local name, link = tooltip:GetItem(); |
| 00:35.37 | Kaso | local _, _, quality = GetItemInfo(link); |
| 00:35.37 | Kaso | local r,g,b = GetItemQualityColor(quality); |
| 00:35.39 | Kaso | for example |
| 00:37.52 | Anaral | Errors keep referencing this line: local function OnTooltipSetItem(frame, ...) |
| 00:39.49 | Kaso | cant really say without seeing code |
| 00:40.51 | Anaral | http://www.pastey.net/92998 |
| 00:41.48 | Arrowmaster | itemID doesnt exist |
| 00:42.36 | Arrowmaster | actually you dont need it, just frame:GetItem() |
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| 00:59.06 | Anaral | Should "local function OnTooltipSetItem(frame, ...) " have more than just frame and the ... in the ()? |
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| 01:01.00 | Industrial | ... catches all further arguments so no |
| 01:01.15 | Industrial | you can handle them for example as local args={...} |
| 01:01.29 | Industrial | to check how many there are for a particular event or script handler |
| 01:01.34 | Industrial | if you don't know yet :) |
| 01:02.07 | Anaral | I thought so, but I ask because the error I keep getting is: [C]: ? |
| 01:02.07 | Anaral | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.07 | Anaral | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.07 | Anaral | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.26 | Industrial | could you pastey.net the code? |
| 01:02.28 | Anaral | line 10 being the local function OnTooltip |
| 01:03.00 | Anaral | http://www.pastey.net/93001 |
| 01:03.51 | Industrial | and Test.lua :)? |
| 01:04.11 | Industrial | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnTooltipSetItem says there's only one argument, so ... should be nil |
| 01:04.33 | Anaral | Is the addon that we're working on. |
| 01:12.00 | sylvanaar | I think it might be interesting to write a listing file analyzer, to do some basic code metrics |
| 01:12.26 | Industrial | sylvanaar: wuh? |
| 01:13.20 | sylvanaar | to parse the lua listing files, and provide some quantitative information about the code |
| 01:16.01 | sylvanaar | you could just simply count the opcodes, and show thier counts, and that would give you some way to compare different code styles |
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| 01:32.23 | Atriace | I'm receiving a rather ambiguous error with no reference to a line-number (see http://spartanui.com/download/error.jpg). Is this symptomatic of a common issue? |
| 01:34.35 | |pez| | flickering screen thing stopped happening. |
| 01:34.38 | |pez| | yay for that |
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| 01:40.25 | lagger | did they change RAID_CLASS_COLORS on beta |
| 01:45.08 | kd3 | shouldn't have... |
| 01:45.26 | Atriace | kd3: have you seen my bug before? |
| 01:45.45 | kd3 | nope |
| 01:47.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lagger: yes, they added DEATHKNIGHT as a key, b=.23 g=.12 r=.77 |
| 01:47.21 | kd3 | other than that, of course |
| 01:50.38 | Thelyna | hm ... wonder if my GridStatusBurn (shows meteor slash count and duration left, as well as duration left on burn) is unique enough to not be considered someone else's work |
| 01:50.51 | Thelyna | guess I should attribute initial work properly |
| 01:53.04 | Ackis | I'm sorry everyone: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=10003 |
| 01:55.05 | lagger | hm |
| 01:55.10 | lagger | is there an error mod for beta |
| 01:55.12 | lagger | bugsack isnt workign for me |
| 01:55.37 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=110 |
| 01:55.52 | Thunder_Child | bauderrorframe |
| 01:56.12 | lagger | thanks |
| 01:56.22 | Thelyna | Ackis: you're a bad person |
| 01:56.33 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, if you were sorry, you would not have done it in the first place... |
| 01:57.12 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: you already have a kite though dont you? |
| 01:59.35 | Arrowmaster | i still cant think of anything good for the contest and i want the kite so bad =( |
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| 02:01.30 | |pez| | Ok, I desperatly want a proper desk |
| 02:02.13 | |pez| | the sofa is just not a good workingplace. :P |
| 02:05.13 | Atriace_ | ? |
| 02:05.23 | Thunder_Child | RA3 Beta |
| 02:05.46 | Tem|afk | ScytheBlade1, poke |
| 02:12.20 | Thelyna | hrm ... I can't figure out who wrote the GridStatusBurn that I modified. Should make a note of that and put in my code/blurb that whoever wrote the initial version should get in contact with me if they want attribution? |
| 02:15.08 | Ackis | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280251845955 |
| 02:16.10 | Anaral | hoax! Lol |
| 02:18.51 | sylvanaar | ok, i wrote it - help me pick 2 lua files to compare |
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| 02:24.35 | sylvanaar | they are at the end of the listings: MSBT http://wowi.pastey.net/93006 compared to Fubar http://wowi.pastey.net/93007 (just the main lua file) |
| 02:38.30 | Thunder_Child | heh, i wonder how much the bear mount will go for |
| 02:39.16 | Thunder_Child | oh...nvm, seems they are already up on ebay |
| 02:39.31 | |pez| | I still want one of those tiger thingies. |
| 02:39.35 | |pez| | from TGC |
| 02:41.15 | |pez| | also, the landlords cat is made of awesome. |
| 02:42.27 | Thunder_Child | i dont remember a slidshow giftcard in the 2k7 goody bag |
| 02:42.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: poke |
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| 02:45.35 | Tierrie | on |
| 02:45.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there a frame:SetUserPlaced() for the XML anywhere? |
| 02:46.57 | Thunder_Child | "Blizzcon 2008 Polar bear/ murloc mount Presale!!!" |
| 02:47.17 | Thunder_Child | i'm inpressed, there is the possibility that the seller wont get tickets |
| 02:47.25 | Thunder_Child | impressed* |
| 02:47.41 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: <OnLoad> self:SetUserPlaced(true) </OnLoad> |
| 02:48.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: in all truth that's what I'm doing now, I was just wondering if there was an XML element I was missing somewhere |
| 02:48.14 | Shirik | probably |
| 02:48.19 | Shirik | but given my hatred of XML, I wouldn't know |
| 02:48.24 | Ackis | I will show you manboobs for Murky! |
| 02:48.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I searched the UI.xsd, couldn't find it |
| 02:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | And Shirik, in all honesty, given a good XML editor, I actually really like doing frames in XML |
| 02:52.06 | Thunder_Child | bah, non-combat pets are FLUFF! |
| 02:53.36 | Corrodias | they are cute, but should not be so difficult to collect |
| 02:53.44 | Corrodias | but what can i say, i'm not a designer |
| 02:53.58 | Corrodias | my opinion is obviously not universal |
| 02:56.24 | Thunder_Child | ~fail RA3 |
| 02:56.25 | purl | You suck at everything in life, RA3. I hate you because you fail. |
| 02:56.32 | Thunder_Child | ~opnion Corrodias |
| 02:56.44 | Thunder_Child | ~opinion Corrodias |
| 02:56.45 | purl | Your opinion, really, really matters, Corrodias . I swear! |
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| 03:00.12 | Shirik | wheee |
| 03:00.14 | Shirik | so nice to finally have a stable wireless netowrk |
| 03:00.18 | Shirik | network too |
| 03:00.54 | ScytheBlade1 | That's an oxymoron |
| 03:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | "stable wireless network" a hahaha |
| 03:01.47 | Shirik | psh |
| 03:01.49 | Shirik | works for me |
| 03:02.21 | Shirik | set up QoS and everything, it is magical |
| 03:02.52 | Shirik | I am immune to your microwaveness! |
| 03:03.05 | ScytheBlade1 | What did you say? Oh, sorry, yeah I'm defrosting this chunk of meat for the next 30 minutes. Sorry. |
| 03:03.05 | Shirik | I probably should have tried to make my own router |
| 03:03.09 | Shirik | but I'm not sure if that would break any FCC regulations |
| 03:03.53 | Shirik | long as I can play pandora, get on irc, and commit to svn I'm happy |
| 03:03.56 | Shirik | all of which is working currently |
| 03:04.35 | Cide | until your commits automagically use \t instead of spaces |
| 03:04.53 | Shirik | hellllllls no |
| 03:13.26 | Rabbitbunny | Dang. Everything works except the part I don't want to do. |
| 03:14.19 | Rabbitbunny | What do I need to look up to learn how to make a little window that has a table, a slider, and let you sort by columns? |
| 03:15.40 | Tem | lol |
| 03:16.02 | Ackis | there's someone called "sigz" and I hail them all the time |
| 03:20.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: you pinged? |
| 03:21.00 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: you're doing good. |
| 03:25.16 | Ackis | I am? |
| 03:27.29 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 03:27.30 | purl | pong |
| 03:28.01 | Shirik | sigh |
| 03:28.14 | Shirik | I can't remember how to make clicks whenever IRC is not the active window and a message comes in |
| 03:28.24 | Thunder_Child | clicks? |
| 03:28.50 | Thunder_Child | like tools -> options -> sounds? |
| 03:29.04 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:29.13 | Shirik | but now it also clicks when someone says something here even if it's active window |
| 03:29.24 | Shirik | on my PC, it only clicks if mirc is not the active window |
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| 03:30.22 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, my irc is always sound free |
| 03:30.51 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, I wanted you to port me to dalran, but you were hopelessly afk |
| 03:31.00 | Tem | I have long since given up |
| 03:32.08 | Thunder_Child | ~give up |
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| 03:34.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: yeah, I was :) |
| 03:45.47 | Xuerian | Anyone else make any nifty FARR aliases that are wow-related? |
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| 03:59.12 | Shirik | !g qnx write |
| 03:59.13 | batbot | Shirik: QNX Developer Support <http://www.qnx.com/developers/docs/6.3.0SP3/neutrino/lib_ref/w/write.html> |
| 03:59.29 | Shirik | batbot is so much <3 |
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| 04:04.30 | |pez| | damnit, we need a split bed. |
| 04:06.00 | Seerah | ping haste |
| 04:06.13 | Fisker- | haste is norwegian |
| 04:06.33 | Seerah | what's "ping" in Norwegian? :P |
| 04:06.42 | |pez| | pretty much ping. :P |
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| 04:07.33 | |pez| | it's btw 6.07am in Norway, and any normal norwegian citizen is either asleep, or at some afterparty |
| 04:08.12 | Seerah | well, he's in IRC |
| 04:08.18 | Cairenn | "what's impressive in jubutu" |
| 04:08.23 | Seerah | and so is Funkeh' - up past his bedtime :P |
| 04:08.34 | Cairenn | "impressive. it's pretty much the same" |
| 04:08.44 | |pez| | "in irc" means nothing. |
| 04:09.09 | |pez| | I let my clients be connected when I sleep or am away from the computer. |
| 04:09.11 | Cairenn | (2008-08-03 00:06:12) Seerah: what's "ping" in Norwegian? :P |
| 04:09.11 | Cairenn | (2008-08-03 00:06:21) |pez|: pretty much ping. :P |
| 04:09.35 | Seerah | if he doesn't answer, he doesn't answer. It doesn't stop me from pinging just in case he's awake anyway. |
| 04:09.35 | |pez| | Cairenn? |
| 04:09.42 | Cairenn | nothing, nm |
| 04:10.03 | Fisker- | you stole my words |pez| :( |
| 04:10.19 | Fisker- | how do i whois'ed Seerah ? |
| 04:10.21 | Fisker- | also |
| 04:10.22 | Seerah | I stay connected when I'm away, too, but I change my nick to |away so people know I'm not here :) |
| 04:10.33 | Fisker- | he was up ~2 hours ago |
| 04:10.37 | Fisker- | so he's probably sleeping |
| 04:10.45 | Fisker- | and won't be here for another 4-6 hours |
| 04:10.46 | |pez| | I'm not so much a fan of nickchanges. |
| 04:11.00 | Seerah | I'm just gonna stop talking cause I'm tired and grumpy :P |
| 04:11.18 | |pez| | I am talking cause I'm tired and grumpy XD |
| 04:11.33 | Seerah | well don't be grumpy at me :P |
| 04:11.47 | |pez| | I'm not really grumpy at you. :P |
| 04:11.59 | Seerah | hug and make up? :) |
| 04:11.59 | Shirik | 18 nicks registered |
| 04:12.31 | |pez| | I'm btw grumpy cause the boyfriend keeps making me unable to sleep. -__-' |
| 04:12.44 | Seerah | :( |
| 04:13.09 | Seerah | my heels killed my feet and ankles tonight :( |
| 04:13.22 | |pez| | do'h |
| 04:13.25 | |pez| | I love heels |
| 04:13.33 | |pez| | Just can't walk with 'em |
| 04:13.37 | Seerah | heh |
| 04:13.44 | Seerah | I need the ones with a wider heel |
| 04:14.00 | Seerah | the skinny ones, though, I think I'll break something :P |
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| 04:14.20 | |pez| | Yeah, the ones with a bit larger heel are nice. |
| 04:14.35 | |pez| | I have a pair that I don't use much. It was a impulse buy, didn't like them after a short while. |
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| 04:14.41 | |pez| | Wondering making skins for them. :P |
| 04:14.59 | malreth | chick talk, tonight on #wowuidev. |
| 04:15.21 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:15.23 | |pez| | malreth: join in! |
| 04:15.28 | malreth | yeah |
| 04:15.36 | Seerah | can you walk in heels? |
| 04:15.40 | malreth | let's talk about our women's periods |
| 04:15.52 | Seerah | I was a little crampy on the way home |
| 04:15.59 | malreth | i can't walk in heels, but i have worn a dress once. |
| 04:16.01 | malreth | true story |
| 04:16.04 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 04:16.05 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 04:16.14 | |pez| | I bought painkillers to prepare for my next period. :P |
| 04:16.24 | Thunder_Child | dresses are damn comfortable |
| 04:16.27 | |pez| | last time, I didn't have painkillers meant for menstrual pain. |
| 04:16.29 | malreth | THEY ARE!!! |
| 04:16.33 | |Jelly| | I bought a couple fifth's of crown to prepare for my roomie's next period. |
| 04:16.37 | |pez| | men need to wear skirts and dresses. |
| 04:16.46 | Thunder_Child | |pez|, men do |
| 04:16.52 | Thunder_Child | scottish |
| 04:16.54 | |pez| | I was going to add "more" |
| 04:17.00 | |pez| | but then I forgot. |
| 04:17.04 | Seerah | wear them more |
| 04:17.07 | Thunder_Child | ~lol |pez| |
| 04:17.07 | purl | ACTION Laughs out Loud at |pez| |
| 04:17.18 | lagger | why doesn't this work http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93015 |
| 04:17.23 | |pez| | stfu purl! |
| 04:17.46 | lagger | box doesn't show up when i zone in and out |
| 04:17.46 | Cairenn | kilts .... |
| 04:18.02 | malreth | lagger: is that all your code? |
| 04:18.06 | lagger | yes |
| 04:18.24 | malreth | you have no event handler code |
| 04:18.33 | Thunder_Child | ~dress malreth |
| 04:18.34 | purl | dresses malreth in a tie-dyed shirt, a flaminco skirt and high heels |
| 04:18.39 | lagger | its inside the setscript |
| 04:18.39 | malreth | you register for events.... but then never actually set up an onevent handler |
| 04:18.43 | Thunder_Child | works for me |
| 04:18.49 | malreth | oh...i see it now |
| 04:18.52 | malreth | my bad |
| 04:19.07 | lagger | tabs didnt transfer over when i pasted it |
| 04:19.20 | |pez| | going back to shoes for a second... I do not see how these ended up in the "must have" section of the front page - http://www.dna-shoes.com/system/script/scr_getshoeimg.asp?x=400&y=0&id=08V0448.jpg |
| 04:19.58 | Thunder_Child | they left your feet breathe at least |
| 04:20.05 | Seerah | those look like those old rubber weave ones from the 80s! |
| 04:20.11 | malreth | can't figure it out right now |
| 04:20.13 | Thunder_Child | and black is always > all other colors |
| 04:20.58 | Cairenn | ewww, those are ugly |
| 04:21.03 | Cairenn | why would anyone buy those? |
| 04:21.14 | Thunder_Child | because thye are cheap? |
| 04:21.19 | Corrodias | they may be comfortable |
| 04:21.24 | Thunder_Child | they* |
| 04:21.27 | Corrodias | i really don't know |
| 04:21.31 | |pez| | Nah, I tried those back in the 80s |
| 04:21.39 | |pez| | sand and crap gets stuck in them. |
| 04:21.42 | Cairenn | pastamancer: ping? |
| 04:21.59 | Corrodias | oh yeah. i would never wear an open shoe or sandal ever again, myself |
| 04:23.03 | |pez| | I was easily annoyed at shoes and clothes in my youth. |
| 04:23.32 | |pez| | Like, if there were wrinkles on my... what's it called. woolen underpants? I'd scream until someone fixed it. |
| 04:24.00 | |pez| | I was a horrible child. |
| 04:25.15 | Seerah | |pez|: Jelly Shoes! That's what they were called! http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0geu98GM5VIafIAIuVXNyoA?ei=UTF-8&p=jelly%20shoes&y=Search&fr2=tab-web&fr=moz2 |
| 04:26.25 | |pez| | nasty, there's even a heeled version. :P |
| 04:27.14 | Seerah | I had a few pairs of those as a kid |
| 04:27.31 | Seerah | wore them until the rubber wore through and/or they got old and broke |
| 04:27.51 | |pez| | hehe |
| 04:28.52 | |pez| | Am I the only one who never really understood the point of pointed tip shoes? |
| 04:29.01 | |pez| | like.. heels, and then a long pointy tip at the front. |
| 04:31.50 | Tem | it's for the pain imo |
| 04:31.56 | *** part/#wowuidev Paene (n=Jim@54-94.candlewood.dynip.msu.edu) |
| 04:32.04 | Corrodias | i think so |
| 04:32.22 | Corrodias | if not, i think some people actually enjoy how they look, but i can't comment on that because i don't |
| 04:32.41 | |pez| | Tem: the pain a man feels when being kicked by a pair of pointed-tip shoes? :P |
| 04:32.57 | Tem | no |
| 04:33.09 | Tem | at least, I always assumed those things were horribly painful |
| 04:33.24 | Seerah | my cousins wear them - I can't |
| 04:33.47 | |pez| | they don't really look all that painfull, because the pointy tip doesn't really start properly until after the toes. :P |
| 04:34.48 | Corrodias | you mean women do not feel pain when kicked? |
| 04:34.53 | Corrodias | i have a new hobby! :D |
| 04:34.59 | |pez| | -___-' |
| 04:35.12 | Thunder_Child | lol cog|away |
| 04:35.14 | Thunder_Child | damit |
| 04:35.22 | Thunder_Child | lol Corrodias* |
| 04:35.34 | |pez| | I want to sleep damnit ;__; |
| 04:36.25 | Corrodias | i've heard of people who wear very uncomfortable shoes. they can't wait to get them off... yet they keep wearing them every day |
| 04:37.05 | Corrodias | i only pray they're trying to attract some kind of mentally ill mate who is obsessed over bad shoes |
| 04:37.56 | Corrodias | or a sadist |
| 04:38.43 | Thelyna | rather than say ... being slaves of fasion? |
| 04:38.46 | Thelyna | *fashion |
| 04:38.47 | Codayus | Well, I believe the theory is that they make the wearers legs look more attractive. |
| 04:39.00 | Codayus | So the idea is to attract someone who actually doesn't like the way you actually look, I guess. |
| 04:39.25 | Codayus | Then again, the some argument applies against makeup. :-) |
| 04:40.03 | malreth | |pez|: go to sleep... or you get baggy eyes |
| 04:40.22 | Seerah | knock your boyfriend over the head |
| 04:40.29 | Seerah | then go to bed |
| 04:40.33 | malreth | waitaminnit? |
| 04:40.33 | Seerah | hey! I rhymed! |
| 04:40.41 | malreth | you can't go to sleep because of your bf? |
| 04:41.01 | Corrodias | i can't say i don't want people to do whatever what they want to make themselves look how they want to |
| 04:41.03 | |pez| | malreth: He keeps making the whole bed wiggle. .P |
| 04:41.08 | Corrodias | but it does seem a little silly to wear bad shoes |
| 04:41.21 | malreth | how big is your bed? |
| 04:41.23 | Seerah | lol |pez| |
| 04:41.28 | malreth | full or queen |
| 04:41.37 | |pez| | malreth: 120cm |
| 04:41.50 | |pez| | I'd like 180 or larger, with a split in the middle. :P |
| 04:41.52 | malreth | i'm american. i don't know what the fuck a centimeter is. |
| 04:41.59 | |pez| | google it? :o |
| 04:42.13 | Cairenn | 2.5 cm = 1 inch |
| 04:42.15 | |pez| | go 120cm in inches in google, and google will tell you. |
| 04:42.15 | Seerah | sounds like a Queen |
| 04:42.29 | Thunder_Child | or 120 cm to in |
| 04:42.42 | |pez| | it's inbetween a single and double bed really. |
| 04:42.48 | Thunder_Child | or 120cm to in* |
| 04:42.52 | Seerah | oh, then I'm way off..... |
| 04:43.27 | Seerah | |pez|: we call that a 3/4 (three-quarter) size. Not too many of them around anymore |
| 04:43.28 | |pez| | 120 centimeters = 47.2440945 in |
| 04:43.59 | malreth | |pez|: the bed... wiggles? |
| 04:44.05 | malreth | that's no so bad |
| 04:44.10 | malreth | my fiancee, she... |
| 04:44.12 | malreth | ... |
| 04:44.18 | malreth | ... she is watching me |
| 04:44.25 | |pez| | malreth: his body sort of does random spontanious movements. |
| 04:44.29 | Thunder_Child | serves you right malreth |
| 04:44.29 | |pez| | like jumping around. :P |
| 04:44.32 | malreth | and is a beautiful and wonderful person! |
| 04:44.45 | pastamancer | Cairenn: pong |
| 04:44.49 | Thunder_Child | hurt him malreth's fiancee, hurt him |
| 04:44.56 | |pez| | Hello malreth's fiancee! |
| 04:45.02 | Seerah | |pez|: oh! my hubby does that most nights. Jerks as he's drifting off to sleep. I got used to it |
| 04:45.06 | |pez| | give him a hug from all of us! ... :P |
| 04:45.18 | Cairenn | pastamancer: sorry, forgot to cancel the ping |
| 04:45.30 | Cairenn | answered my own question :) |
| 04:45.33 | pastamancer | k |
| 04:45.34 | Thunder_Child | ~lart |pez| |
| 04:45.34 | purl | does a little 'dpkg -P |pez|' action |
| 04:45.41 | Thunder_Child | not hug, hug is bad |
| 04:45.44 | |pez| | Seerah: I don't. I got wary of it because of the boyfriend actually. :P |
| 04:46.15 | |pez| | In the morning, if he jerks like that, it means he's hypoclycemic and needs help. :P |
| 04:46.24 | Seerah | ah |
| 04:46.44 | kd3 | whee, random world server crash |
| 04:46.46 | malreth | he sounds really high maintenance |
| 04:46.48 | Seerah | at least he doesn't snore.... |
| 04:46.56 | |pez| | Seerah: oh, he does that too. :P |
| 04:47.01 | Seerah | lol |
| 04:47.01 | Corrodias | snicker smirk |
| 04:47.02 | |pez| | malreth: he is XD |
| 04:47.04 | Corrodias | "wiggling bed" |
| 04:47.54 | |pez| | the bed wiggles for other reasons too, like him actually jerking off. But there are actually reasons for that. >___>' |
| 04:48.46 | Seerah | I noticed |
| 04:49.02 | |pez| | I can explain that one, really. |
| 04:49.41 | |pez| | He has arthritis. Makes his whole body hurt. fondling self triggers hormones that make him relax and feel less hurty. |
| 04:49.52 | Xuerian | ... |
| 04:50.01 | Xuerian | makes sense o_0 |
| 04:50.10 | Corrodias | *down |
| 04:50.19 | Corrodias | (or would if he had any need for excuses) |
| 04:50.21 | kd3 | rofl |
| 04:51.09 | |pez| | So when I'm not up for helping him release all these nice hormones, and he's feeling hurty, he just does it himself. |
| 04:51.37 | Seerah | he does sound high maintenance ;) |
| 04:51.39 | |pez| | This makes the bed wiggle slighly. Which might or might not be annoying, depending how sleepy I actually am. |
| 04:51.54 | |pez| | He's a complicated man. :P |
| 04:51.59 | Corrodias | why ELSE would it wiggle, though? |
| 04:52.08 | Cairenn | [just about] any man or woman that says they don't take care of themselves some times is lying :p |
| 04:52.37 | Corrodias | i know i readily admit to it these days! i also have a magnificent porn collection that nearly warps space around it with pure awesome |
| 04:53.02 | Xuerian | Corrodias: If it has Kasia in it, it DOES warp space with awesome :p |
| 04:53.18 | Thunder_Child | more like it's just /warped/ |
| 04:53.29 | Corrodias | kasia, kasia... it might |
| 04:53.35 | Corrodias | met-art? |
| 04:53.37 | |pez| | Cairenn: Well, I don't. For me masturbating gives me just about no please what so ever. |
| 04:53.52 | |pez| | pleasure* |
| 04:53.57 | Cairenn | I did qualify my statement |
| 04:54.01 | Xuerian | Corrodias: Duno. Sweedish. |
| 04:54.06 | |pez| | Indeed you did. |
| 04:54.18 | |pez| | Oh, hey, do vibrators count? :P |
| 04:54.19 | Corrodias | here's one with someone named that at a pool. could be her. wait, i think i have a couple of videos of someone with that name! |
| 04:54.37 | Xuerian | Yes. |
| 04:54.41 | Xuerian | That's her :D |
| 04:54.41 | Cairenn | and you also said you don't because it gives you just about no pleasure whatsoever - which means you have at least once, otherwise you wouldn't know that ;) |
| 04:54.55 | Corrodias | oh yes, she's quite tasty |
| 04:55.10 | Xuerian | om nom nom. I think I love pink too. |
| 04:55.42 | Ackis | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280251845955 $725 US now |
| 04:55.57 | Seerah | night guys :) |
| 04:56.02 | Cairenn | night Seerah |
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| 04:56.04 | Xuerian | 'night, Seerah :p |
| 04:56.05 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 04:56.10 | |pez| | ninight se...rah |
| 04:56.11 | Corrodias | that's strange; i'd almost have to say that, unless you're injured, you must be doing it wrong if you don't enjoy masturbation |
| 04:56.12 | Thunder_Child | bad Ackis, stop making yourself sad |
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| 04:56.25 | Guillotin1 | Can you even still use the murloc cards? |
| 04:56.25 | Ackis | no |
| 04:56.32 | Ackis | Guillotin1: yes, do you have an extra for me? |
| 04:56.39 | kd3 | 2 days ago was the deadline iirc |
| 04:56.43 | Guillotin1 | if I had one, I'd use it :P |
| 04:56.51 | Thunder_Child | kd3, for the suit or the pet? |
| 04:57.00 | kd3 | nah, that'll probably last forever |
| 04:57.03 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 04:57.05 | kd3 | the beta key, though |
| 04:57.06 | Yssaril | kd3 wasnt that for the WWI beta keys? |
| 04:57.15 | kd3 | and blizzcon too |
| 04:57.19 | |pez| | Corrodias: Not really. It just means I have a lowered sense of feeling in the downstairs area. :P |
| 04:57.28 | Thunder_Child | kd3, the conversation was about the pet tbh |
| 04:57.42 | kd3 | meh, I'm only halfway paying attention right now |
| 04:57.50 | Thunder_Child | was the 2k5 beta key for tbc? |
| 04:58.39 | Corrodias | i guess that's not necessarily because of an injury; could also be just an existing condition |
| 04:58.57 | Corrodias | and most unfortunate. sorry to hear it. :( |
| 04:59.23 | |pez| | It might be connected to mental conditions. I'm not sure really. |
| 04:59.26 | Corrodias | Yssaril: world war one, beta? |
| 04:59.38 | |pez| | But it took us.. 1.5 years for the boyfriend to make me come. |
| 05:00.07 | Yssaril | Corrodias: worldwideinvitational or whatever it was called (the paris thing) |
| 05:00.12 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, world wide invitational dork |
| 05:00.13 | Corrodias | didn't you get tired? (see that's a joke about misunderstanding what you mean there) |
| 05:00.24 | |pez| | XD |
| 05:00.27 | Xuerian | That's what you call stamina! |
| 05:00.31 | Corrodias | there you go! |
| 05:00.32 | Xuerian | I bow before your bf |
| 05:00.42 | Corrodias | hell, i'd bow before both |
| 05:01.06 | |pez| | I can rephrase! But I know you all know what I really meant. |
| 05:02.06 | Xuerian | :P |
| 05:02.07 | Corrodias | has it been easier since then? did you just find something that worked? |
| 05:02.18 | Corrodias | now i'm all curious |
| 05:02.27 | Xuerian | I was going to venture trust issues, but eh |
| 05:03.09 | |pez| | I have had issues with myself, intimacy, and whatnot. So I might have developet a mental block, that's now slowly going away. |
| 05:03.22 | |pez| | But, we did find something that works, yes. |
| 05:03.43 | |pez| | (Do you want to know what, too?) :P |
| 05:04.05 | Xuerian | Don't ask a question you don't want a answer to. |
| 05:04.06 | Corrodias | that's not important. but i'm glad; there's enough unpleasantness in the world even without problems like that |
| 05:04.29 | |pez| | Xuerian: I'll happily share if you want to know. :P |
| 05:04.31 | Corrodias | Xuerian: well, i didn't ask what. |
| 05:04.34 | Xuerian | But corrodias said what I was thinking better than I was going to, I don't think "Gratz'" really fits |
| 05:04.39 | Xuerian | Corrodias: was talking to pez :P |
| 05:04.45 | Corrodias | oh |
| 05:05.11 | Xuerian | I'm going to guess Cai might be the only one to object to talking about that sort of thing in too much detail |
| 05:05.16 | Corrodias | now i'm imagining two people in the middle of an intense, intimate moment, and suddenly one of them says "DING!" |
| 05:05.22 | Xuerian | XD |
| 05:05.23 | Thunder_Child | hardly Xuerian |
| 05:05.25 | |pez| | LOL XD |
| 05:05.30 | Thunder_Child | you should hear what she has to say sometimes |
| 05:05.41 | Xuerian | lol, fair enough :p |
| 05:05.51 | Xuerian | I won't object to hearing more, I'm bored anyways :P |
| 05:06.09 | Xuerian | well |
| 05:06.12 | Xuerian | Let me point out |
| 05:06.12 | Corrodias | my curiosity has now been extended. i'd like to know more. |
| 05:06.16 | Xuerian | I wasn't saying it would bother her |
| 05:06.25 | Xuerian | More the whole keeping the channel ruly sort of deal |
| 05:06.25 | Xuerian | :P |
| 05:06.31 | Thunder_Child | this is an adult channel |
| 05:06.35 | Thunder_Child | for children |
| 05:06.39 | Xuerian | .. |
| 05:06.40 | |pez| | hihi |
| 05:06.48 | Xuerian | Caught that one just in time |
| 05:06.56 | Corrodias | wow is for children; addons are for jaded, salty adults. |
| 05:06.56 | Xuerian | thunder... cough.. child. >_> |
| 05:07.00 | Xuerian | Haha |
| 05:07.14 | Thunder_Child | so i sayeth, so it shall be..ith |
| 05:07.31 | Corrodias | sailing the seas of the net, guided by the light of the Lua |
| 05:08.02 | Thunder_Child | "Corrodias: wow is for children; addons are for jaded, salty adults." salty huh? see, like i said, stop licking addon authors |
| 05:08.05 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: Yes. For adults: http://3.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/d/e/collegehumor.da695a4df1db7e29c917968eb3131e7a.jpg |
| 05:08.05 | |pez| | Anyway, it takes a lot lot of tounge effort from my boyfriend. And me doing some nicely timed ... clenching? |
| 05:08.35 | Corrodias | hah, Thunder_Child: you'd better hope |pez| isn't an author then |
| 05:09.38 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, that images is great |
| 05:09.54 | Thunder_Child | s/images/image/ |
| 05:09.55 | Xuerian | Someone else linked it in here yesterday, I had to save it |
| 05:10.05 | |pez| | Corrodias: hurr, I can hardly write normally in my own language. Litterature is a few skill levels above me. |
| 05:11.12 | Xuerian | Literacy is about reaching far enough up your ass, to pull out stuff that somehow other people let flow out of their mouth with ease |
| 05:11.23 | Corrodias | uhhh |
| 05:11.44 | Xuerian | Amazingly |
| 05:11.48 | Xuerian | I didn't mean that in a perverted way |
| 05:12.01 | Corrodias | okay, but when pulling something OUT of an ass gets involved, i don't want to know more |
| 05:12.17 | Corrodias | unless it was put in shortly before; i have plenty of videos of that |
| 05:12.19 | Xuerian | It was a simple reference to the "Pull it out of your ass" saying... |
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| 05:12.32 | Xuerian | oh lord ew ew ew ew I hate that ew. |
| 05:12.38 | |pez| | Oh, I got to tell you guys about the time me and the boyfriend tried some thing called "anal eaze" XD |
| 05:12.48 | Xuerian | o.0; |
| 05:12.51 | Thunder_Child | it's never "eaze" |
| 05:12.55 | Corrodias | hmm, that i have not heard of |
| 05:13.02 | Corrodias | but how can i not have heard of that? >:o |
| 05:13.11 | Thunder_Child | local product Corrodias |
| 05:13.23 | Corrodias | grr, i can accept that i guess |
| 05:13.26 | |pez| | Ok, so the boyfriend is a fan of anal sex. I'm not really horrified by the idea, but my butt does not like it. |
| 05:13.39 | Thunder_Child | and because you have not made it your lifes work to know about every single lube in existance? |
| 05:13.43 | Xuerian | It's not as bad as it's made out to be >_> |
| 05:13.49 | |pez| | it does subconsious normal "Oooohno, nothing is getting up here!" things, like clenching. |
| 05:13.56 | Corrodias | i thought she means a technique, not a product |
| 05:14.02 | Thunder_Child | |pez|, valid |
| 05:14.17 | |pez| | SO, we went to a certain, store, and bought a product named Anal Eaze |
| 05:14.23 | Thunder_Child | eh? sounded like a...see |
| 05:14.28 | Thunder_Child | i win |
| 05:14.34 | Corrodias | yeah, okay, i don't know about brands |
| 05:14.44 | |pez| | which is pretty much sedatives on a tube. :P |
| 05:14.46 | Thunder_Child | or about positions it seems |
| 05:14.54 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 05:14.57 | Corrodias | that's an interesting... and very bad idea |
| 05:15.14 | |pez| | Corrodias: the idea of the product is great really. |
| 05:15.40 | Corrodias | well it sounds like a great idea DURING, but... the after-effects i'm imagining are what i'd call unpleasant |
| 05:15.40 | Xuerian | That has to be... rather.. awkward |
| 05:15.46 | Thunder_Child | wait....sedatives? isnt that for sleeping? |
| 05:15.57 | |pez| | Thunder_Child: other word for it? |
| 05:16.00 | Corrodias | a sedative is for relaxation of whatever it's effective on |
| 05:16.25 | |pez| | it was a cream with made me feel less around the butthole. :P |
| 05:16.27 | Thunder_Child | oh, like that...ok, i was thinking pain killers |
| 05:16.36 | |pez| | Anyywaay |
| 05:16.49 | Corrodias | perhaps it works on the muscles in the area; if it's on the nerves, that would remove half the point of it i would think |
| 05:16.56 | Thunder_Child | not for him |
| 05:17.02 | Thunder_Child | which is the point it seems |
| 05:17.10 | Corrodias | must be. otherwise it could get... messy |
| 05:17.16 | Thunder_Child | oh...right |
| 05:17.22 | Thunder_Child | forgot about the other direction |
| 05:17.25 | Xuerian | Ansethetic |
| 05:17.33 | |pez| | he put this thing on my butt, wait a bit, and we try. The thing is, we already did the naughty before trying this, and his penis ends up not being up for the task. |
| 05:17.55 | Xuerian | "Well, now what?" |
| 05:17.58 | Thunder_Child | forsight, a seemingly good idea |
| 05:18.01 | Thunder_Child | unlike forskin |
| 05:18.11 | Xuerian | Foreskin is surprisingly useful |
| 05:18.16 | |pez| | So the penis has been like moving around on the outside of the butt, getting the anal eaze stuff on it. |
| 05:18.29 | |pez| | I decide giving him a blowjob, since it just won't get hard again. |
| 05:18.43 | Thunder_Child | i can see where this is going |
| 05:18.47 | |pez| | when I'm just about done, I feel my tounge going numb. |
| 05:19.03 | |pez| | then my mouth is slowly going numb. |
| 05:19.11 | |pez| | it was all numb and tingly |
| 05:19.20 | Corrodias | oh dear |
| 05:19.21 | |pez| | and I couldn't speak very well |
| 05:19.28 | |pez| | was sort of like having been at the dentist. :P |
| 05:19.30 | Corrodias | *facepalm* |
| 05:19.36 | |pez| | when you feel all bloated and stuff. |
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| 05:19.54 | |pez| | So that was the first time we tried anal eazy! |
| 05:19.57 | |pez| | eaze* |
| 05:20.01 | Corrodias | fun first experience! |
| 05:20.03 | Xuerian | o.0 |
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| 05:20.13 | Xuerian | Is it wrong to be laughing?/ |
| 05:20.27 | Corrodias | no, it's hilarious |
| 05:20.30 | |pez| | Xuerian: nope, we laughed abouot it ages after XD |
| 05:20.34 | Xuerian | Good XD |
| 05:20.53 | Wobin | I seem to have had fantastic timing with my entry =P |
| 05:21.11 | |pez| | Wobin: hello, welcome to storytelling night. |
| 05:21.40 | Cairenn | Wobin: lol, putting your statement into context with the conversation is hilarious :p |
| 05:22.00 | Wobin | I bet it has a vibrate setting |
| 05:22.03 | Wobin | I just have to find it |
| 05:22.24 | Cairenn | (2008-08-03 01:20:32) Wobin: I seem to have had fantastic timing with my entry =P <== that statement |
| 05:22.27 | Arrowmaster | are you sure it counts as storytelling night when only one person is telling stories? |
| 05:22.29 | malreth | |pez|: GO TO SLEEP!!! |
| 05:22.44 | Xuerian | Arrowmaster: Care to take a turn? |
| 05:22.50 | Wobin | Well there's nothing worse than coming in early to something like this! |
| 05:22.55 | |pez| | malreth: I will, when I'm sure to pass out the moment my head falls on the pillow! |
| 05:23.09 | Thunder_Child | your just making it worse Wobin |
| 05:23.11 | Arrowmaster | sorry i dont think i have any stories quite as interesting |
| 05:23.22 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: Is there -any- way this could be made -better-? |
| 05:23.27 | Xuerian | I don't think I can match it, really. |
| 05:23.30 | |pez| | oKok, so it's " |pez| tells the world about her sexual experiences" night. :P |
| 05:23.31 | Corrodias | i have no stories, Arrowmaster |
| 05:23.36 | Thunder_Child | nope Wobin, sorry |
| 05:23.41 | Wobin | You lot are so boring =P |
| 05:23.57 | Wobin | You should be more adventurous, like Pez! |
| 05:24.01 | Corrodias | experience |
| 05:24.09 | Wobin | Even though I know nothing of what was the actual story |
| 05:24.13 | Wobin | except the punchline |
| 05:24.33 | |pez| | Wobin: I can tell it realquick, if you really want to know. :P |
| 05:24.43 | Corrodias | long story short, oral + anesthetic lube = lol |
| 05:24.44 | Wobin | I'm not sure if it's more interesting not knowing =) |
| 05:24.56 | Wobin | did you end up drooling? |
| 05:25.00 | Wobin | (and in the bad way?) |
| 05:25.02 | Xuerian | Aww, you just ruined it, Corrodias |
| 05:25.08 | Corrodias | i am the ruiner of things |
| 05:25.12 | Kemayo | Honestly, that stuff is a *terrible* idea. Let's face it, the cardinal rule is "if it hurts: stop, you're doing it wrong". Just numbing the pain is a recipe for bad stuff. |
| 05:25.23 | |pez| | Wobin: Oh, it was close. But the anestetic lube went away pretty fast. |
| 05:25.26 | Wobin | He's not called 'Corrodius' for nothing |
| 05:25.45 | Corrodias | Kemayo: i think the idea is that, if numbed, it won't fight back, thereby preventing damage |
| 05:25.51 | |pez| | Kemayo: the thing is, it hurts because my butt is being stupid and clenching. |
| 05:26.03 | |pez| | Corrodias: exactly |
| 05:26.13 | Xuerian | This is why you use a object that isn't that blunt >_> |
| 05:26.23 | Corrodias | ...what, sharp things? |
| 05:26.25 | Wobin | why a spoon, cousin? |
| 05:26.28 | Xuerian | I said "That" |
| 05:26.38 | Corrodias | you've lost me |
| 05:26.46 | Wobin | -isn't- that blunt |
| 05:26.48 | Xuerian | ... something more.. conical >_> |
| 05:26.50 | Wobin | != sharp |
| 05:26.53 | Corrodias | i'm enjoying this white russian, though, so you can lose me as much as you want |
| 05:26.57 | Corrodias | your penis is conical? o.o |
| 05:27.03 | |pez| | omg, white russian. omnomnom |
| 05:27.04 | Wobin | The hammer is my penis |
| 05:27.07 | Xuerian | I wasn't saying to use mine, dumbass >.> |
| 05:27.17 | Corrodias | it's frightening enough to think ANYONE's is |
| 05:27.22 | Xuerian | Wobin: lol |
| 05:27.40 | |pez| | But, my boyfriend has a quite pretty penis, and it isn't really blunt. the head is nicely rounded and stuff. |
| 05:28.05 | Corrodias | pretty! i haven't heard that one used before |
| 05:28.09 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 05:28.30 | Corrodias | although i've seen nice ones in my day, i guess i never call anything pretty |
| 05:28.36 | |pez| | I have a fascination for penises. :P And my boyfriends' happens to be pleasing to look at. |
| 05:29.25 | |pez| | it has nice proportions and stuff too. Just so you know. |
| 05:29.39 | malreth | yeah... no more drugs for pez |
| 05:29.53 | Wobin | nothing wrong with a good appreciation for proportion =P |
| 05:29.55 | |pez| | I iz not on drugz |
| 05:30.10 | Corrodias | i have this one picture i could only call "magestic" |
| 05:30.12 | malreth | i've been told i'm girthy... whatever that means |
| 05:30.15 | |pez| | penises are like boobs, everyone likes different kinds. |
| 05:30.39 | Wobin | long and thin goes right in but short and thick does the trick? |
| 05:30.50 | malreth | Wobin: something like that, i guess |
| 05:30.56 | Wobin | hm, maybe that doesn't quite relate to boobs quite as well |
| 05:30.56 | Corrodias | most of them look generally alike to me |
| 05:31.10 | Corrodias | penises, i mean, not breasts |
| 05:31.16 | Xuerian | Hey, touche', I've never thought of them as being a conversation piece :p |
| 05:31.32 | Wobin | Put one on your coffee table next time you have guests over |
| 05:31.40 | malreth | a penis book? |
| 05:31.44 | Wobin | or one on boobs |
| 05:31.54 | Wobin | You'll certainly have -something- to talk about! |
| 05:32.07 | Xuerian | Haha |
| 05:32.08 | |pez| | Wobin: none of the above actually does the trick completely. |
| 05:32.10 | malreth | if i ever made a photo book, i'd do one about women's backs |
| 05:32.12 | Wobin | Even if it's just the weather =) |
| 05:32.17 | malreth | honestly, that the sexiest part of a chick |
| 05:32.22 | malreth | imo, obviously |
| 05:32.24 | Wobin | pez: long and thick? |
| 05:32.34 | Wobin | Shaped like an amusing root vegetable? |
| 05:32.43 | |pez| | Wobin: that'd hurt, most likely. |
| 05:32.53 | malreth | flexible straw? |
| 05:32.57 | Wobin | ... |
| 05:33.02 | Wobin | don't bring up bendy straws |
| 05:33.04 | malreth | it has applications! |
| 05:33.09 | Corrodias | there's a company that makes animal-penis-shaped dildos |
| 05:33.25 | Xuerian | Yes... yes there is |
| 05:33.26 | Wobin | There was one friend on a MUD I was on, that forever ruined the concept of bendy straws to us |
| 05:33.31 | Corrodias | whale, dolphin, "raptor" i think was another option |
| 05:33.34 | Wobin | and the application thereof |
| 05:33.38 | Xuerian | Corrodias: Don't forget dragon. |
| 05:33.38 | |pez| | my boyfriend doesn't have the largest equipment, and it sometimes feels as if he reaches all the way inside. :P |
| 05:33.45 | Corrodias | maybe that's what i was thinking of, dragon |
| 05:33.48 | |pez| | so anything longer would be... painfulllike. |
| 05:34.07 | malreth | |pez|: the vagina can take quite a bit of abuse, you know |
| 05:34.17 | malreth | CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT! |
| 05:34.22 | |pez| | malreth: Sure, but it would STILL HURT! |
| 05:34.23 | Corrodias | with the sensitive parts right at the opening, i don't see the advantage of an extra-long insert |
| 05:34.25 | Xuerian | So can the testes |
| 05:34.44 | Xuerian | Doesn't mean I want mine used as stress relievers XD |
| 05:35.05 | malreth | |pez|: that's why you draw a line on the shaft with a sharpie... insert only up to here --- |
| 05:35.05 | Corrodias | i've seen a video that proves that, yeah. well, more than one video. |
| 05:35.15 | Wobin | Corrodias: well, since the whole act is -technically- about procreation than entertainment.... |
| 05:35.29 | Corrodias | Wobin: oh yeah. it's so easy to forget about that :o |
| 05:35.31 | malreth | |pez|: then tell the guy that it's like a game |
| 05:35.47 | malreth | a game of action and precision... like guitar hero |
| 05:35.49 | malreth | only more sexy |
| 05:35.50 | Wobin | malreth: Like Principal Skinner's envelope licking game? |
| 05:36.12 | malreth | yes... like the licking game |
| 05:36.35 | Corrodias | i like the sound of that |
| 05:36.46 | |pez| | haha |
| 05:37.10 | Shirik|AFK | ........... |
| 05:37.13 | |pez| | well, I won't be getting anything larger than the boyfriends' equipment anyway. Since.. well, I have a boyfriend and wouldn't want to cheat on him. :P |
| 05:37.21 | Shirik|AFK | apparently the very act of me talking triggers an auto-ghost |
| 05:37.23 | Shirik|AFK | what the hell |
| 05:37.27 | Shirik|AFK | this script is too smart |
| 05:37.46 | Wobin | technically it was before you spoke |
| 05:37.49 | malreth | so, Shirik|AFK, tell us 'bout your equipment |
| 05:37.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) |
| 05:37.51 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 05:37.51 | Shirik|AFK | no I spoke in another channel |
| 05:37.52 | Corrodias | pull the old threesome bait-and-switch on him |
| 05:37.54 | Wobin | ah |
| 05:38.12 | Wobin | That's a trick? |
| 05:38.13 | Corrodias | as long as he doesn't ask to ensure that the friend you want to join you is actually a female |
| 05:38.17 | Wobin | ah =) |
| 05:38.35 | Wobin | Or specify a gender nonspecific name |
| 05:38.39 | |pez| | Corrodias: we've actually discussed trying a threesome at some point. :P |
| 05:38.40 | Corrodias | It's Pat! |
| 05:38.50 | Shirik|AFK | (01:36:28) (+Shirik|AFK) :( |
| 05:38.50 | Shirik|AFK | (01:36:28)  -› Nickname 'Shirik' is already in use |
| 05:38.51 | Shirik|AFK | (01:36:30)  -› Quit: +Shirik (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik) (Nick collision from services.) |
| 05:38.51 | Shirik|AFK | (01:36:31)  -› [notice from NickServ]: Shirik has been ghosted. |
| 05:38.51 | Shirik|AFK | (01:36:38) (+Shirik|AFK) wtf |
| 05:38.54 | Shirik|AFK | ^ wtf |
| 05:38.59 | Xuerian | Shirik: No one cares. |
| 05:39.02 | Xuerian | ~failrik |
| 05:39.02 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:39.11 | Wobin | We're too busy talking about pez's love life |
| 05:39.12 | Corrodias | and anybody who has seen a significant amount of Saturday Night Live should now be immune to sex for at least a month, after i mentioned Pat and sex in the same idea |
| 05:39.19 | Shirik|AFK | oh wait, |pez| is back |
| 05:39.23 | Corrodias | what awas the result of that discussion? |
| 05:39.52 | malreth | there's any other kind of threesome that doesn't have two chicks? |
| 05:40.03 | Wobin | there's the one with three chicks |
| 05:40.05 | Corrodias | 3 men |
| 05:40.11 | |pez| | Corrodias: he wants me and another girl, I want him and another guy. |
| 05:40.16 | Corrodias | and i'm sure i have videos of that, too |
| 05:40.21 | Wobin | Well, you could trade off =) |
| 05:40.35 | Corrodias | hmm. maybe you can upgrade straight to four people. |
| 05:40.38 | Shirik|AFK | |pez|, honestly I've never heard these things working out for the better, as much as it "sounds good" |
| 05:40.39 | Wobin | or find... yeah |
| 05:40.52 | Shirik|AFK | haven't we had this discussion in the past? |
| 05:41.00 | Corrodias | shirik: wouldn't surprise me |
| 05:41.02 | |pez| | Shirik|AFK: I don't remember? |
| 05:41.17 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|AFK, more or less |
| 05:42.11 | |pez| | Shirik|AFK: I'd like to atleast have tried it at some point. |
| 05:43.06 | |pez| | if it ends up in one or both of is not liking it, we just simply won't do it again. |
| 05:43.07 | Corrodias | it might depend on how posessive the people involved are |
| 05:43.35 | Wobin | Probably wouldn't work as a long time thing, but as a one off, I don't see why not |
| 05:43.43 | Corrodias | and who the third person is. and/or fourth. |
| 05:43.58 | Wobin | if that one time is enough to destabilise the relationship, it's a sign there were problems anyway |
| 05:44.14 | |pez| | Defenetly |
| 05:44.17 | Corrodias | probably... |
| 05:44.25 | Wobin | and/or fifth? |
| 05:44.29 | Corrodias | if they both agreed to it beforehand, then i guess it would be |
| 05:44.33 | |pez| | woo, gangbang. :P |
| 05:45.23 | malreth | just make sure you're not adding partners as a way to 'fix' something that is missing in your current sex life |
| 05:45.56 | Corrodias | chuckle.. wake up with the king |
| 05:46.05 | Xuerian | haha |
| 05:47.07 | |pez| | I'll ask you guys this question... am I selfish for being concerned that my boyfriend might not be able to perform at all in a few years time? |
| 05:47.22 | malreth | yes |
| 05:47.28 | Xuerian | Is there reason for your concern? 0_o |
| 05:47.44 | |pez| | Is it wrong of me to be selfish? |
| 05:47.48 | Corrodias | it's an interesting question |
| 05:47.55 | Corrodias | i would not answer so quickly |
| 05:47.59 | malreth | but we're all selfish |
| 05:48.12 | Xuerian | I don't think it's wrong to be concerned |
| 05:48.14 | Corrodias | selfishness is an excessive self-interest, i think |
| 05:48.26 | malreth | what's more important than that is what you would do in response to that concern |
| 05:48.29 | Corrodias | but a complete lack of self-interest is not healthy; you need some |
| 05:48.36 | Xuerian | Exactly what Malreth said |
| 05:48.48 | |pez| | He has diabetes, and has had it most of his life. It breaks down things in time. |
| 05:49.06 | |pez| | A lot of men with diabetes can't get a hardon. |
| 05:49.13 | |pez| | hard-on? :P |
| 05:49.33 | Xuerian | we get the idea either way you spell it, i think |
| 05:49.39 | Corrodias | well, unfortunately i must withhold any advice or analysis, because i have given up on understanding intimacy |
| 05:49.50 | Corrodias | i hope these people have ideas |
| 05:49.51 | malreth | that's why God made fingers |
| 05:50.00 | malreth | and tongues |
| 05:50.27 | Wobin | and food? |
| 05:51.01 | |pez| | I'm sort of concerned for both parts. I'm wondering what he'll think of himself if it gets to the point where he no longer can get a stiff penis without taking viagra or something. :P |
| 05:51.32 | malreth | you can have plenty of sex without using your cock |
| 05:51.43 | Corrodias | that happens to a lot of men |
| 05:51.49 | |pez| | And while I like both fingering and being licked. There's something special about the whole normal sex thing. |
| 05:51.56 | |pez| | normal being penis penetration |
| 05:52.21 | |pez| | Corrodias: well, sure, but not when they're 30? :P |
| 05:52.55 | Corrodias | yeah. hmm. self-image... i don't know how to encourage someone with a disability |
| 05:53.12 | Corrodias | for me, it's either suck it up and keep going or... i don't know, die? |
| 05:53.40 | Corrodias | what else is there? withdraw into a depression and never enjoy it again, i suppose. and that's not much of an option either. |
| 05:54.38 | malreth | ok... if it were me... i'd be pretty beat up about it... but like, i'd probably be looking to the girl i was with to take command, so to speak |
| 05:54.47 | Corrodias | if someone wants to be with him even if he needs assistance, why give up? |
| 05:55.03 | |pez| | I'm not really giving up. |
| 05:55.12 | malreth | like looking for someone to lean on... something like that |
| 05:55.17 | Thunder_Child | "now entering winnipeg. we were born here, what's your excuse?" |
| 05:55.20 | Corrodias | now, if even with a assistance, he can't satisfy... this is a problem |
| 05:55.33 | malreth | but i don't know what he's like... or what you're like |
| 05:55.48 | malreth | but being there for support or guidance probably wouldn't hurt |
| 05:55.53 | Corrodias | but then we're getting back into those deep waters of intimacy that i don't understand. can a relationship continue based on love or sex but not both? |
| 05:56.11 | |pez| | I just like sex that involves penis penetration, and I'll admit I'm sort of afraid that I'll stop getting it before I'm 25. :P |
| 05:57.12 | malreth | |pez|: i'm starting to get an idea of what you're getting at |
| 05:57.23 | malreth | you want eagerly to love him and be with him |
| 05:57.39 | malreth | but you also have your self-interests to keep on top of... nothing wrong with that |
| 05:57.44 | malreth | we all look after number one |
| 05:57.49 | malreth | but that makes you feel guilty |
| 05:57.55 | Xuerian | Pez: So long as it'll still be possible, I don't see why any self-respecting guy will have much of a problem with it. sure the loss of easy spontaneity would be annoying, but... well, with a understanding girl around, don't see why it'd be a problem. As for your side of it, if he can still do it and you're willing to deal with that |
| 05:57.56 | malreth | and you don't like it |
| 05:58.11 | malreth | stop me if i've missed the mark, pez |
| 05:58.23 | Corrodias | but what to do if, even with assistance, he actually -can't-? |
| 05:58.50 | |pez| | malreth: I think you nailed it. |
| 05:58.55 | malreth | the problem is, if i'm right about what you're thinking, is you've lost your locus of control |
| 05:58.55 | Corrodias | everyone may be forced to face that question in the event of a traumatic injury, for example. you can't anticipate that in advance. |
| 05:58.58 | malreth | it's out of your hands |
| 05:59.02 | malreth | and you will feel trapped |
| 05:59.07 | malreth | and feeling trapped leads to resentment |
| 05:59.16 | malreth | and resentment leads to very bad things |
| 05:59.39 | |pez| | Corrodias: I can anticipate diabetes slowly destroying his body though. |
| 05:59.41 | malreth | so, i've laid out the path in front of you |
| 06:00.10 | malreth | it's now up to you to bring that control back in... find a way to hop off that path and onto something that actually works for both of you |
| 06:00.10 | Corrodias | indeed. i can't help but think there must be an answer. SOMEBODY has had to deal with this before. |
| 06:00.15 | malreth | if that is what you desire |
| 06:01.37 | Corrodias | frankly, i don't know what i'd do if i lost the use of my hands and couldn't play games normally. i'm sure i'd have to find a way, but i just shut down trying to think about it. |
| 06:01.45 | |pez| | I'm young and undecisive, I don't know what I want. |
| 06:01.56 | malreth | nothing wrong with that |
| 06:01.56 | Corrodias | i think other people take sex as seriously as i do games, so i'm starting to understand their viewpoints |
| 06:02.10 | malreth | we're all lost when we're young |
| 06:02.12 | |pez| | But I know I love my boyfriend to bits, even though he's stupid, annoying, not too easily maintained.... :P |
| 06:02.20 | malreth | it doesn't get much better even when you get older |
| 06:02.33 | malreth | shit, i'm still technically young... |
| 06:02.48 | Thunder_Child | sure you are |
| 06:02.50 | Corrodias | we need a sitcom grandma to come in right now and give us all a life lesson |
| 06:03.02 | |pez| | how old are you malreth? :D |
| 06:03.08 | malreth | soon to turn 31 |
| 06:03.23 | |pez| | a year older than my boyfriend then. |
| 06:03.44 | malreth | here's what i can tell you from my experiences |
| 06:03.54 | Thunder_Child | this should be good |
| 06:04.03 | |pez| | I'll just enjoy what we have for now. If it's not meant to be, things will end at some point. |
| 06:04.05 | malreth | relationships can continue with love even in the absence of sex |
| 06:04.42 | malreth | even if you really really really like having sex |
| 06:04.54 | malreth | love finds a way to make it work |
| 06:05.06 | malreth | it's not easy |
| 06:05.12 | malreth | fuck, it sure isn't |
| 06:05.16 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 06:05.18 | Corrodias | i can imagine |
| 06:05.18 | Wobin | yodamalreth |
| 06:05.27 | malreth | but if a person means that much to you, you make it work |
| 06:05.31 | Xuerian | Experience, malreth? =\ |
| 06:05.37 | Xuerian | Ha ha, you missed |
| 06:05.47 | |pez| | Oh |
| 06:05.50 | |pez| | crap |
| 06:06.00 | |pez| | Sorry Xinhuan, that was totally meant for Xuerian |
| 06:06.07 | Corrodias | he's right |
| 06:06.10 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 06:06.17 | |pez| | But yes, you are right malreth |
| 06:06.27 | |pez| | if we're meant to be, we'll find a way. |
| 06:06.43 | Corrodias | you sound like you're referring to destiny, there |
| 06:07.06 | |pez| | Corrodias: well, sort of. |
| 06:07.50 | |pez| | For now, I'll enjoy what we have. |
| 06:08.12 | |pez| | We can discuss what's best when / if the time comes. |
| 06:08.26 | malreth | yeah |
| 06:08.37 | malreth | and until then... fuck the shit outta him |
| 06:08.47 | Wobin | well that's one other option =) |
| 06:08.51 | Corrodias | can't argue with that advice |
| 06:08.56 | malreth | might as well get it while the gettin's good |
| 06:09.18 | Corrodias | there comes a time when we all can't do something we used to |
| 06:09.22 | |pez| | malreth: I think at some point we had an average of once a day. :P |
| 06:10.03 | |pez| | This is counting the first 5 months of our relationship, where we lived on different sides of the country. :P |
| 06:10.31 | Wobin | You made up for missing days, then? =) |
| 06:10.37 | |pez| | Defenetly |
| 06:11.01 | Wobin | Pez: *counts* "Hey, we need to do this another 32 times to make up for last month overseas..." |
| 06:11.49 | |pez| | god, I suddenly remember my little stepsisters almost cought us in the act. |
| 06:12.05 | Xuerian | Try drunken great grandmother |
| 06:12.23 | |pez| | Xuerian: nice one. |
| 06:12.48 | Xuerian | First time too. I think it was a sign. |
| 06:12.50 | Arrowmaster | try gf's father whos also a police officer |
| 06:12.52 | |pez| | I had a friend who told me his mom knocked on the door and asked them to keep it quiet. :P |
| 06:12.56 | Xuerian | oh snap |
| 06:13.29 | |pez| | Arrowmaster: and how old was the girl? |
| 06:13.32 | Corrodias | good times. wish i were there! |
| 06:13.41 | Arrowmaster | we were both adults |
| 06:13.58 | |pez| | Hehe, still, you win. :P |
| 06:14.13 | Arrowmaster | i was 18-19 during that relationship |
| 06:14.19 | malreth | oh shit, i dated a policeman's daughter once |
| 06:14.32 | Arrowmaster | we almost got caught many times |
| 06:14.36 | malreth | very first time i came to visit, he just got back from a hunting trip |
| 06:14.46 | malreth | so he's loaded up with guns |
| 06:14.52 | malreth | got a dead animal in his truck |
| 06:15.11 | |pez| | malreth: I'd be scared |
| 06:15.12 | Xuerian | Bahaha |
| 06:15.20 | malreth | he brings me inside, first thing when we get inside is he shows me where he keeps his sidearm |
| 06:15.42 | malreth | thing is, he doesn't know my dad's a vietnam vet |
| 06:15.45 | malreth | and a gun nut |
| 06:16.07 | malreth | guns are like potatoes to me |
| 06:16.12 | Xuerian | same |
| 06:16.12 | Corrodias | so you killed him! |
| 06:16.52 | |pez| | I'm gonna bet the dad was dissapointed cause he didn't scare you. :P |
| 06:17.10 | Corrodias | he may not have been trying to scare him |
| 06:17.31 | malreth | naw... we got along really well eventually |
| 06:17.47 | malreth | i was even gonna marry his daughter |
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| 06:18.04 | malreth | beautiful perfect relationship |
| 06:18.06 | Corrodias | but then she killed him! |
| 06:18.11 | malreth | meh |
| 06:18.38 | |pez| | what happened? |
| 06:18.48 | malreth | let's just say, you don't get the ability to dish out lots of good relationship advice without having screwed up a whole lot of them |
| 06:18.59 | malreth | i've learned from a lot of mistakes |
| 06:19.01 | malreth | my own |
| 06:19.03 | malreth | others |
| 06:19.05 | malreth | lots |
| 06:19.08 | |pez| | this is true I guess. |
| 06:19.17 | |pez| | my current boyfriend is my first and only. |
| 06:19.21 | malreth | most mistakes can be forgiven |
| 06:19.26 | malreth | others forgotten |
| 06:19.40 | Corrodias | no wonder i have no good advice :D |
| 06:19.51 | malreth | Corrodias is perfect |
| 06:19.57 | malreth | i've had seven of his babies |
| 06:20.18 | Corrodias | anonymously. |
| 06:20.20 | |pez| | nice |
| 06:20.23 | Corrodias | it was quite a trick |
| 06:20.25 | Hjalte | ~seen seerah |
| 06:20.28 | purl | seerah <n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-41-73.mem.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1h 24m 31s ago, saying: 'night guys :)'. |
| 06:20.28 | malreth | |pez|: my fiancee... i'm her first and only boyfriend |
| 06:20.54 | |pez| | malreth: how long have you guys been together? |
| 06:21.01 | malreth | 8 years now |
| 06:21.06 | |pez| | Ah, vert nice. |
| 06:21.10 | |pez| | very |
| 06:21.22 | |pez| | we are moving close to two years. |
| 06:21.33 | malreth | yeah... it kinda sucks now that we have to start over counting from 1 now that we're finally getting married |
| 06:21.37 | p3lim|afk | anyone here gonna go to the next blizzcon? |
| 06:21.38 | |pez| | getting close to* |
| 06:21.58 | malreth | anyways... i'm off to bed |
| 06:22.01 | |pez| | malreth: you just addf another variable :P |
| 06:22.12 | Xuerian | 'night malreth |
| 06:22.16 | malreth | or else i'll errantly end another relationship |
| 06:22.17 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 06:22.31 | malreth | :( |
| 06:22.37 | |pez| | I think I'm about ready to pass out on my pillow as well |
| 06:22.42 | malreth | hooreys |
| 06:22.49 | |pez| | thank you all for a quite enjoyable ... morning |
| 06:22.51 | Corrodias | hasn't he stopped wiggling yet? |
| 06:22.53 | |pez| | it is now 8.22am |
| 06:22.59 | Corrodias | 'ni to both, then |
| 06:23.00 | Cairenn | malreth: just do like hubby and I do - "we're celebrating our 16th anniversary, plus 5" |
| 06:23.03 | |pez| | Corrodias: dunno, I closed ti door. :P |
| 06:23.12 | |pez| | the |
| 06:23.15 | Cairenn | night |pez|, malreth |
| 06:23.51 | malreth | Cairenn: we're planning on celebrating our first anniversary... then skipping straight to 10, then back to three and going on from there |
| 06:23.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:24.09 | Corrodias | gift scam? |
| 06:24.14 | malreth | totally |
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| 06:24.36 | malreth | good night |
| 06:27.29 | Cairenn | p3lim: I am |
| 06:27.45 | p3lim | wtb goodie bag and streams! :p |
| 06:27.48 | p3lim | I cant go myself |
| 06:27.52 | Cairenn | awww |
| 06:28.07 | Thunder_Child | it's ppv |
| 06:28.15 | p3lim | Id actually pay for it, but I still cant go due to work |
| 06:28.35 | Thunder_Child | so get it on pay per view? |
| 06:28.53 | p3lim | that beeing..? |
| 06:29.15 | Cairenn | he means pay for a ticket that someone else who is going can pick up, so they can get the goody bag to mail to him |
| 06:29.32 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, no, they are showing blizzcon live on pay per view |
| 06:29.38 | Thunder_Child | pay-per-view* |
| 06:29.38 | p3lim | yeah I was actually proposing that on the wowace channel a min ago |
| 06:29.56 | Cairenn | (2008-08-03 02:27:23) p3lim: wtb goodie bag and streams! :p |
| 06:29.56 | Cairenn | (2008-08-03 02:27:54) p3lim: Id actually pay for it, but I still cant go due to work |
| 06:30.01 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 06:30.01 | p3lim | and I still dont know what this pay-per-view means |
| 06:30.11 | p3lim | yup |
| 06:30.31 | p3lim | Cairenn, if I bought a ticket, would you pick up the goodie bag and mail it to me? |
| 06:30.45 | Cairenn | can't do it quite that way |
| 06:30.53 | p3lim | Oh? |
| 06:30.59 | Corrodias | pay-per-view is a satellite tv feature, i believe, in which you can only view the program if you pay for it first |
| 06:31.16 | Corrodias | they have PPV channels that show movies or something and you pay a small fee beforehand to see it |
| 06:31.23 | Cairenn | what you have to do is send someone else the money, have them buy the ticket on their CC but in their name |
| 06:31.24 | p3lim | Corrodias: like in hotels |
| 06:31.26 | p3lim | ? |
| 06:31.42 | Corrodias | sorry, p3lim, i have no experience with that and have no idea |
| 06:32.07 | p3lim | I think we have something like that here in norway too, on viasat |
| 06:32.21 | p3lim | not sure, always been using cable |
| 06:32.45 | Corrodias | it seems our Charter Cable has an "on-demand" feature that is similar, except you pick what show you want and what time to show it as well. i think. |
| 06:32.48 | Cairenn | because you have to have id for the name it was purchased for & the cc that it was purchased with |
| 06:33.05 | p3lim | Cairenn: So im practically paying for some guy/girl to have fun for 2-3 days on my expence and I could get the goodiebag? |
| 06:33.23 | Cairenn | you can do it one of two ways - either ^^ |
| 06:33.24 | p3lim | hm |
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| 06:33.37 | p3lim | Who do I know that lives near or in california... |
| 06:33.39 | Cairenn | or they pay for their own ticket, plus your ticket on their CC |
| 06:33.48 | Cairenn | that way you both get a goody bag |
| 06:34.00 | Cairenn | but do you really feel the goody bag is worth $100 |
| 06:34.18 | p3lim | Oh snap, thats the ticket fee? |
| 06:34.22 | Thunder_Child | according to ebay it's $200-300 |
| 06:34.30 | Cairenn | p3lim: yup |
| 06:34.32 | Mery | eBay usually says it's worth more, too slow :( |
| 06:34.45 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5030438/blizzcon-2008-will-be-televised |
| 06:34.48 | p3lim | thats like 250 nok, id say its worth it |
| 06:34.54 | p3lim | Thunder_Child: thanks |
| 06:35.03 | Thunder_Child | np, p3lim |
| 06:35.26 | p3lim | Cairenn: thats cheap tickets in my eyes |
| 06:35.30 | Cairenn | http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/080729.html "Tickets to the convention will be priced at $100 USD" |
| 06:35.35 | Mery | or 67€ thanks to a weak $ |
| 06:36.02 | p3lim | Mery: :D yup |
| 06:36.07 | Corrodias | only $100. that's reasonable |
| 06:36.15 | Corrodias | now if only the cost of travel wasn't ridiculously higher than that |
| 06:36.21 | p3lim | 1$ used to be 8-9 nok. now its 5 |
| 06:36.49 | p3lim | Corrodias: not to mention that USA is on the other side of the close from me |
| 06:36.54 | Corrodias | soon it will be -3 |
| 06:37.02 | p3lim | s/close/clode |
| 06:37.15 | Corrodias | clode = world? globe? |
| 06:37.33 | p3lim | im an tired idiot |
| 06:37.42 | p3lim | its far away in other words |
| 06:37.43 | p3lim | :) |
| 06:37.55 | Mery | "far far away" :) |
| 06:38.01 | Corrodias | a long time ago |
| 06:38.04 | p3lim | and im starting working 2 days before the blizzcon so.. gg |
| 06:38.10 | Corrodias | *cue the scrolling intro text* |
| 06:38.44 | Corrodias | episode IX // BLIZZCON |
| 06:38.50 | Corrodias | or WWI |
| 06:38.52 | Corrodias | or whatever you're talking about |
| 06:39.08 | Corrodias | i don't follow events or conversations very well |
| 06:39.45 | Mery | ... i was more thinking about shrek 2 |
| 06:42.01 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Corrodias |
| 06:42.01 | purl | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at Corrodias |
| 06:42.10 | Thunder_Child | please stay on topic |
| 06:44.38 | MentalPower | wait what? |
| 06:44.47 | MentalPower | on topic, whats that? |
| 06:45.48 | Corrodias | i'm currently using my character in Neverwinter Nights to shift between male and female forms |
| 06:45.52 | Corrodias | there is no on-topic for me |
| 06:46.39 | MentalPower | there's no on-topic for this channel either (not at weird hours anyways) |
| 06:47.29 | Thunder_Child | MentalPower, yes there was |
| 06:47.50 | MentalPower | oh? |
| 06:47.52 | Cairenn | and given that it's always "weird hours" for someone or another in the channel ... |
| 06:47.54 | Thunder_Child | tonight anyways |
| 06:48.08 | MentalPower | you mean the blizzcon conversation? |
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| 06:48.21 | Cairenn | no, |pez|'s sex life |
| 06:48.22 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, well there is an ebb and flow do to a majority of users in a particular hemisphiere |
| 06:48.40 | MentalPower | oh, that was quite interesting |
| 06:49.04 | MentalPower | I liked the mental pictures provided by malreth too :) |
| 06:50.29 | Corrodias | the theme of despair was a bit of a letdown |
| 06:50.39 | Corrodias | but the special effects were well done |
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| 06:55.47 | MentalPower | lol |
| 07:03.39 | kd3 | ok, that was weird. I broke the client's timers |
| 07:03.55 | kd3 | models froze, chat text fading/timers didn't happen |
| 07:03.57 | kd3 | very odd |
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| 07:04.16 | Corrodias | i like the sound of that |
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| 07:28.27 | SmarkWoW | Hey guys, quick question here, anyone got a second? |
| 07:29.21 | kd3 | shoot |
| 07:29.34 | SmarkWoW | ok well |
| 07:29.49 | SmarkWoW | im basically trying to learn how to create addons for wow |
| 07:29.56 | SmarkWoW | thought im by no means new to programming |
| 07:30.04 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 07:30.05 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 07:30.12 | Cairenn | ~wowprogramming |
| 07:30.12 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 07:30.13 | SmarkWoW | dont it purl |
| 07:30.15 | Shirik | ~devtools |
| 07:30.16 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 07:30.26 | Shirik | the three most important tools :P |
| 07:30.32 | SmarkWoW | hold up here |
| 07:30.34 | Cairenn | you forgot one |
| 07:30.38 | Cairenn | ~wdn |
| 07:30.38 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 07:30.46 | Shirik | it's in kd3's |
| 07:30.53 | Cairenn | right, so it is |
| 07:31.03 | Shirik | anyway, we interrupted SmarkWoW |
| 07:31.05 | Cairenn | heheheh, okay, now you can talk SmarkWoW ;) |
| 07:31.07 | SmarkWoW | not looking to get a program to do it for me... notepad has worked great in the past, but I cant even get a simple frame to load from the XML |
| 07:31.18 | SmarkWoW | (actually using Notepad++) |
| 07:31.20 | Cairenn | we weren't giving you links to programs |
| 07:31.27 | Shirik | those are the tools any developer should have |
| 07:31.31 | Shirik | for debugging, etc. |
| 07:31.35 | kd3 | is it in your .toc? |
| 07:31.36 | Cairenn | we were giving you links to resources |
| 07:31.42 | SmarkWoW | yes it is kd3 |
| 07:31.43 | kd3 | is the toc the same name as the folder it's in? |
| 07:31.53 | kd3 | what's in your wow/logs/FrameXML.log |
| 07:31.56 | Shirik | ok, what does your framexml.log say |
| 07:32.09 | Shirik | in fact, maybe it's just better to pastey the code |
| 07:32.24 | SmarkWoW | k, one sec |
| 07:32.27 | Cairenn | wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 07:32.39 | wereHamster | or smarkwow.pastey.net |
| 07:32.48 | Shirik | or shirikisawesome.pastey.net |
| 07:33.06 | wereHamster | hm, I'm getting a 404 Shirik |
| 07:33.19 | SmarkWoW | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/submit.php |
| 07:33.24 | SmarkWoW | heres the xml |
| 07:33.26 | SmarkWoW | erm |
| 07:33.27 | Shirik | wrong link :) |
| 07:33.34 | Cairenn | (and seriously, if you know about programming, you should know better than to immediately assume that links people in a programming channel give you are links to "programs to do it for you") |
| 07:33.56 | SmarkWoW | yeah didnt see this spam progection stuff |
| 07:34.18 | SmarkWoW | well you figure the best wya to make a webspage is NOT to use dreamweave or Frontpage, those do it for you |
| 07:34.51 | Cairenn | and if you go into a channel of web programmers, and ask for help, they aren't going to point you to either of those |
| 07:34.53 | kd3 | 'course, but having html documentation's probably a good idea |
| 07:35.40 | Cairenn | programmers give other programmers resources so you can figure it out yourself, not programs |
| 07:35.58 | Corrodias | although sometimes the resource can be an example |
| 07:36.19 | Shirik | also, pastey's spam protection needs to be stabby stabbed |
| 07:36.22 | Shirik | anyone have a rogue? |
| 07:36.40 | SmarkWoW | indeed Shirik |
| 07:36.56 | Cairenn | I'm just annoyed by the automatic assumption that what we were providing wasn't what he needed without even checking them |
| 07:36.57 | SmarkWoW | but here: http://files.spectralcoding.com/wow/PlayerTotals/ |
| 07:37.07 | Corrodias | things can be difficult to understand with the given documentation and no examples. for example, the documentation we have in our Borland C++ Builder program for the SubString function in its AnsiString class says that the second parameter is the index of the first character you want |
| 07:37.21 | Corrodias | yet it doesn't mention the fact that this is the one function that is 1-indexed |
| 07:37.30 | Corrodias | AND that if you use 0, it assumes you mean 1 |
| 07:37.34 | Shirik | ok SmarkWoW, that's not going to work quite right |
| 07:37.36 | sylvanaar | did i miss something good...scrolls up |
| 07:37.44 | Shirik | your XML is calling HelloWorld() which does not exist at the time it's called |
| 07:37.49 | Shirik | your TOC is processed in order |
| 07:37.53 | Shirik | you need to load the Lua file first |
| 07:38.02 | SmarkWoW | Cairenn, im not some ignorant 12 year old... Im sorry for assuming, I had just seen all those link before and wasnt interested in being spammed with a stock answer |
| 07:38.04 | Corrodias | "bob".SubString(0, 1) + "bob".SubString(1, 1) + "bob".SubString(2, 1) == "bbo" |
| 07:38.05 | SmarkWoW | alright, lemme change that |
| 07:38.21 | Shirik | tbh that should be producing an error, SmarkWoW |
| 07:38.35 | Shirik | Do you have any error catching addons installed? If so, are they reporting problems or just hiding them? |
| 07:38.59 | Shirik | If not, do you have "Show Lua Errors" enabled in interface options? |
| 07:39.11 | SmarkWoW | I have stubby, its turned off though, i'll enable it |
| 07:39.25 | Shirik | isn't stubby a library loader? |
| 07:39.35 | sylvanaar | its alot of things |
| 07:39.37 | SmarkWoW | Swatter* |
| 07:39.43 | Shirik | oh swatter ok |
| 07:40.24 | SmarkWoW | anyway, it seem to be working now, thanks a ton... again sorry Cairenn... I think i'll hang out here for a bit incase i have any more questions |
| 07:41.26 | SmarkWoW | also, when (if at all) is it neccissary to restart WoW when editing addons? Adding new files? editing the .toc? |
| 07:41.35 | kd3 | adding new files, editing the toc, yes |
| 07:41.36 | wereHamster | only when you change the .toc |
| 07:41.45 | kd3 | editing files that wow's already loaded, no |
| 07:41.55 | kd3 | just reload the UI for the last case |
| 07:42.02 | SmarkWoW | ok, thats ive ive been doing |
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| 07:46.41 | Shirik | on a side note, SmarkWoW, I should hurt you for using Ubuntu :P |
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| 07:46.59 | wereHamster | Shirik: why? |
| 07:47.03 | Shirik | evil! |
| 07:47.15 | sylvanaar | i was hoping some of you were on earlier when i was talking about basic code metrics for Lua. I did an example in a forum post. |
| 07:47.17 | wereHamster | gentoo better or what? |
| 07:47.19 | sylvanaar | Vista |
| 07:48.12 | SmarkWoW | Shirik, that VPS is a side project of mine... Ubuntu was never meant to be perm. I intended on running Gentoo, but ive never gotten around to reinstalling the OS |
| 07:48.18 | Shirik | good man |
| 07:48.31 | SmarkWoW | though i recomment my hosting company 100% if you need a solid VPS/VDS |
| 07:48.42 | SmarkWoW | though this keyboard i do not recommend |
| 07:48.48 | SmarkWoW | cant type worth crap |
| 07:49.27 | SmarkWoW | are frames 100% transparent by default? |
| 07:49.43 | SmarkWoW | ah, Layers i see |
| 07:49.45 | sylvanaar | oh post http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14536.0 |
| 07:50.57 | uzer_ | what keyboard? |
| 07:51.02 | sylvanaar | and if you want - make a comment on this post |
| 07:51.03 | sylvanaar | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14475.0 |
| 07:51.38 | SmarkWoW | uzer, this stupid one made by Micro... I miss my G15 =/ |
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| 07:52.09 | uzer_ | i have a g15, or used to atleast, i switched to a mac and bought the apple keyboard, thing is horrible |
| 07:52.24 | uzer_ | its sweet looking, but for gaming and coding, bleh |
| 07:53.38 | SmarkWoW | Ok, the nubs got another question... cant get my frame to show up. Do I have to make it visible via code or is it there but transparent? |
| 07:54.00 | Corrodias | i saw nubs and totally read pubes. |
| 07:54.12 | SmarkWoW | lol |
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| 08:03.26 | SmarkWoW | Thanks for the help guys, i'll prolly be back tomorrow... Getting late here |
| 08:07.45 | cncfanatics | g'morning everyone |
| 08:08.04 | Corrodias | silence |
| 08:09.00 | uzer_ | yup |
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| 08:28.23 | Ycarene | Does that make us the same person Cairenn? |
| 08:28.36 | Cairenn | don't think so |
| 08:29.00 | Ycarene | Ok, Wasn't sure, you got all quantum physics on me. |
| 08:29.04 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 08:29.21 | Ycarene | You have any experiece with using Kate? |
| 08:29.34 | Cairenn | <== not a programmer |
| 08:29.51 | Ycarene | Ahh |
| 08:29.52 | Cairenn | besides, I'm sure Kate probably doesn't appreciate being used |
| 08:30.07 | Cairenn | it's not a very nice way to treat a girl |
| 08:31.13 | Ycarene | What makes you think Kate is a girl? |
| 08:31.43 | Cairenn | Kate *tends* to be a girl's name |
| 08:32.45 | Ycarene | What if Kate doesn't like to be labeled? :P |
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| 08:33.02 | Cairenn | didn't label her at all |
| 08:37.31 | Ycarene | I want to re-implement blowfish in lua as a set of encryption api's. |
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| 08:43.51 | wereHamster | Ycarene: what? You here? Since when? |
| 08:43.51 | Ycarene | I take it writing a bytecode interpreter that runs in wow is a nono. |
| 08:43.57 | Ycarene | Lol |
| 08:44.04 | Ycarene | Heya Hamster |
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| 08:44.38 | Cairenn | bytecode interpreter? |
| 08:44.55 | wereHamster | wow has bitlib, so I think there's everything you need to implement most encryption schemes |
| 08:45.43 | Ycarene | So that you can externally compile your lua's into bytecode and have that read into the interface system. |
| 08:46.03 | Cairenn | oh ...wait ... you're the one with the thread about an encryption addon? |
| 08:46.07 | Ycarene | Yeah |
| 08:46.27 | Cairenn | *click click bang* |
| 08:46.40 | Ycarene | When I first wrote a blowfish implementation, bitlib wasn't in wow, so I had to write my own bit routines. |
| 08:46.43 | Cairenn | ummm ... seriously ... why? |
| 08:46.52 | Ycarene | Well, why now? |
| 08:46.56 | Ycarene | not* |
| 08:47.16 | Cairenn | what on earth could you possibly be saying in WoW that needs to be encrypted |
| 08:47.17 | clad|sleep | there are already a bunch of encryption/decryotion libs |
| 08:47.24 | clad|sleep | why would you need to write another one? |
| 08:47.34 | Ycarene | I haven't been able to find one. |
| 08:47.41 | Cairenn | if it's something that sensitive, WoW is probably not the place to be having the conversation :p |
| 08:47.43 | clad|sleep | well there's like five |
| 08:48.56 | clad|sleep | RSA not good enough for you? |
| 08:48.57 | Ycarene | Well, just because you shouldn't say sensitive stuff in game doesn't mean you shouldn't try protecting yourself. |
| 08:49.09 | Cairenn | against what though? |
| 08:49.17 | clad|sleep | this is tinfoil-o-rama |
| 08:49.17 | clad|sleep | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/8018/ |
| 08:49.28 | clad|sleep | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/TEALib/ |
| 08:49.29 | Ycarene | Well, its not legal to implement RSA without paying royalties. |
| 08:49.33 | clad|sleep | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/RC4Lib/ |
| 08:49.47 | Ycarene | Who cares. |
| 08:49.48 | clad|sleep | actually that's not correct anymore, afaik |
| 08:49.58 | Tekkub | I can get encrypted tin foil now? |
| 08:51.12 | clad|sleep | people /nick cladhaire |
| 08:51.17 | Ycarene | I admit, it's a tinfoilish subject. Personally, I'm not worried too much about being listened in on, but I HAVE said things off-hand that could be used against me in other matters, that at the time didn't seem all that big of a deal. |
| 08:51.40 | clad|sleep | yes |
| 08:51.43 | clad|sleep | but you're talking premeditation |
| 08:51.50 | clad|sleep | you have to a.) know you're going to say something |
| 08:51.59 | clad|sleep | and the other person has to have the addon downloaded as well |
| 08:52.09 | clad|sleep | you're getting yourself into legal hell for no gain |
| 08:52.45 | Tekkub | people do weird shit when they think the man is out to get them |
| 08:52.56 | Ycarene | What legal hell? |
| 08:53.16 | cladhaire | well you have no plausible deniability |
| 08:53.28 | cladhaire | because your encrypted conversation was premeditated by both parties |
| 08:53.45 | cladhaire | clearly you have something to hide if you're spot encrypting |
| 08:54.01 | cladhaire | "but I HAVE said things off-hand that could be used against me in other matters, that at the time didn't seem all that big of a deal." |
| 08:54.05 | cladhaire | That's what I don't understand |
| 08:54.12 | cladhaire | if you did it in public, then someone had your plain text anyway |
| 08:54.26 | cladhaire | and you will be absolutely lambasted if you try to send encrypted messages over group channels |
| 08:54.30 | cladhaire | thats a violation of the ToS |
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| 08:54.55 | MoonWolf | nobody is going to make blizzard hand over all your chatlogs on the offhand chance you might have said something bad. |
| 08:55.19 | cladhaire | MoonWolf: one would hope, but what I just said still applies |
| 08:55.23 | Ycarene | Protecting a conversation is not grounds for legal action, they have to prove the content of the conversation. That's akin to arresting someone for "suspicious behavior" even though they didn't break any laws. |
| 08:55.31 | MoonWolf | now if they have good reason to do so you are only making it worse by blizzard handing over encrypted text |
| 08:55.40 | cladhaire | Ycarene: yes, and they can do that |
| 08:55.43 | cladhaire | if we're talking the US |
| 08:55.52 | Cairenn | paranoia-r-us |
| 08:55.59 | cladhaire | and encrypting conversations in World of Warcraft is CERTAINLY suspicious behavior. |
| 08:56.05 | Cairenn | definitely |
| 08:56.08 | MoonWolf | agreed |
| 08:56.09 | cladhaire | why not plan the next 9/11 over WoW |
| 08:56.19 | Ycarene | They can question you, but unless they have a crime to charge you with, questioning is as far as they can go. |
| 08:56.26 | Nom- | bleh netbeans is like so slow for some reason :( |
| 08:56.29 | MoonWolf | they can demand you provide the key |
| 08:56.30 | Cairenn | I've been boggling over your post ever since you posted it |
| 08:56.31 | cladhaire | you live in a funny reality |
| 08:56.35 | cladhaire | you really do |
| 08:56.38 | cladhaire | Let me reiterate again |
| 08:56.48 | Tekkub | the problem with privacy nuts is they like to encrypt mundane things to "throw them off the scent" |
| 08:57.04 | cladhaire | Tekkub: TrueCrypt has it right, because it provides plausible deniability |
| 08:57.11 | cladhaire | but standard encryption systems don't |
| 08:57.14 | cladhaire | unless you encrypt everything |
| 08:57.22 | cladhaire | which you can't, because someone else needs to have the addon and a key |
| 08:57.27 | cladhaire | so its selective |
| 08:57.36 | cladhaire | making it clear you have certain things you don't want people to see |
| 08:57.39 | cladhaire | its just dumb! |
| 08:57.41 | cladhaire | I'ms orry |
| 08:57.50 | cladhaire | I'm all about privacy and advocacy of our rights |
| 08:57.55 | cladhaire | but this is just absurd =/ |
| 08:58.17 | MoonWolf | now if you want to make an encyrping lib simply "because you can" |
| 08:58.20 | MoonWolf | thats somehting else. |
| 08:58.22 | cladhaire | sure |
| 08:58.23 | Ycarene | Well, ok, I'm just saying, that privacy is the goal, really. |
| 08:58.28 | cladhaire | that's stupid |
| 08:58.29 | cladhaire | i'm sorry, but it is. |
| 08:58.31 | Ycarene | I'm not trying to plan something illegal. |
| 08:58.36 | Tekkub | I think I can out'absud you on the privacy nut front clad :) |
| 08:58.42 | cladhaire | you have no privacy in world of warcraft |
| 08:58.43 | MoonWolf | none of us are saying you are. |
| 08:58.47 | cladhaire | and whatever you try and do won't gain you anything |
| 08:58.56 | cladhaire | it just makes you more suspicious if anything else. |
| 08:59.04 | cladhaire | we've used encryption to distribute signed code from client to client in WoW |
| 08:59.08 | cladhaire | that's reasonable use of the tecnology |
| 08:59.15 | cladhaire | to sign patches so you know they're okay to execute |
| 08:59.26 | MoonWolf | now that makes sense. |
| 08:59.30 | cladhaire | but this just has tin foil, and lack of information written all over it, and that is frustrating |
| 08:59.37 | MoonWolf | but signing is very different from encrypting. |
| 08:59.49 | Ycarene | Part of what I'm saying is that the social nature of the game, and the fact that many people find friends on the game leads to it being an environment where one might feel safe to speak frankly when it isn't. |
| 08:59.56 | cladhaire | actually they're the same algorithm :P |
| 09:00.01 | cladhaire | Ycarene: why can you not speak freely |
| 09:00.06 | MoonWolf | cladhaire, but very different purpose. |
| 09:00.13 | cladhaire | unless you are a.) planning terrorism, b.) threatening people |
| 09:00.19 | cladhaire | why do you need your information to be private |
| 09:00.26 | MoonWolf | one is identifycation, the other is ... well encryption. |
| 09:00.30 | Tekkub | keyloggers! |
| 09:00.32 | cladhaire | are you giving credit card numbers or social security numbers out over WoW? |
| 09:00.34 | Corrodias | or c) have a job that involves being known as a "normal person" |
| 09:00.36 | cladhaire | telling other people your passwords |
| 09:00.41 | cladhaire | there is just common sense, and its not being used here, I'm sorry |
| 09:01.20 | uzer | pug, 5 people 3 people want to talk about the other 2, hence party chat with some type of encryption, how is that not a possible use |
| 09:01.28 | cladhaire | uhh |
| 09:01.34 | Tekkub | private channel |
| 09:01.34 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.38 | Corrodias | it's unnecessary: private channels work great for that |
| 09:01.40 | cladhaire | first off |
| 09:01.49 | cladhaire | uzer: that is a violation of teh ToS |
| 09:01.51 | cladhaire | so don't do it, first off |
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| 09:01.57 | cladhaire | because its a bannable offense |
| 09:02.07 | Corrodias | encryption, or talking about people badly? >_> |
| 09:02.11 | cladhaire | encryption in this case is about privacy.. but when there is no use case or need for that privacy.. its just silly |
| 09:02.16 | Corrodias | or pugging? :) |
| 09:02.20 | uzer | what is a bannable offense, use of encryption or talking about people? |
| 09:02.23 | cladhaire | Corrodias: sending unintelligable messages over public chat channels |
| 09:02.24 | MoonWolf | private things... well, there are PM'S |
| 09:02.28 | cladhaire | uzer: sending nonsense over chat channels |
| 09:02.33 | cladhaire | you can't send JFA&*$#&(*&*FAOHJFKLJhlKHAFHJKAehJK$@14341342J |
| 09:02.33 | Corrodias | okay, cool |
| 09:02.34 | cladhaire | ITS BANNEABLE. |
| 09:02.40 | cladhaire | hence why this all breaks down |
| 09:02.44 | cladhaire | you're breaking the ToS |
| 09:02.52 | MoonWolf | cladhaire, you can use the addon channels. |
| 09:02.56 | wereHamster | cladhaire: talking about other people is bannable offense? |
| 09:03.02 | cladhaire | wereHamster: no? |
| 09:03.05 | Corrodias | no, playing in a PUG is |
| 09:03.07 | uzer | blizzard is violating their own tos with the language filter then |
| 09:03.07 | Ycarene | Of course not, but you'd seem pretty cold and impersonal if you were afraid to open up to people in the game because you might let slip some personal detail that could get used against you. Granted you're already taking a risk with the person you're talking to. |
| 09:03.15 | uzer | :) |
| 09:03.17 | cladhaire | MoonWolf: yes you can, but if you're doing that, why do you need encryption? |
| 09:03.19 | cladhaire | Ycarene: *sigh* |
| 09:03.22 | MoonWolf | cladhaire, no clue. |
| 09:03.24 | cladhaire | you're talking yourself in circles. |
| 09:03.32 | cladhaire | Ycarene: now you're claiming that you could accidentally do something |
| 09:03.32 | cladhaire | well |
| 09:03.33 | Ycarene | clad - Yeah, I do that sometimes. |
| 09:03.37 | cladhaire | the problem is |
| 09:03.45 | cladhaire | anyone who wants to hear you would have to have the addon installed to begin with |
| 09:03.50 | cladhaire | it has to be PREMEDITATED |
| 09:03.53 | wereHamster | Corrodias: what are the reasons blizz doesn't want PUGs? |
| 09:03.55 | Cairenn | what sort of personal detail "that could get used against you" could you possibly be saying in wow |
| 09:04.02 | Tekkub | clad, did you have a lot of coffie this morn? |
| 09:04.17 | cladhaire | no, but you know how I am when people are wrong on the internet |
| 09:04.26 | Ycarene | uzer - it's a violation because blizzard can't monitor the communication. |
| 09:04.26 | Tekkub | you're going a mile a fucking minute boy |
| 09:04.42 | Tekkub | yea I know, you're typing so fast it's starting to blur |
| 09:04.43 | cladhaire | Ycarene: no, that's not |
| 09:04.44 | uzer | Ycarene: i know, im just being an ass |
| 09:04.59 | cladhaire | there's nothing in the ToS as far as I'm aware that says they need to be able to monitor your private conversations |
| 09:05.03 | Tekkub | or maybe I'm drunk... |
| 09:05.12 | MoonWolf | Tekkub, maybe both. |
| 09:05.14 | Ycarene | clad - then what violation are you talking about? |
| 09:05.16 | Tekkub | no, not drunk, it's all you clad |
| 09:05.23 | cladhaire | I'm not going to repeat myself, I've already said. |
| 09:05.36 | Tekkub | you already did repeat yourself, 3 times |
| 09:05.38 | cladhaire | Let me sum this up |
| 09:05.40 | uzer | cladhaire: yes it is, its a tos violation because that gives blizzard deniability against legal actions against them if someone say does plan some type of terrorist attack |
| 09:05.45 | Tekkub | it's your job to be repeatative |
| 09:05.57 | cladhaire | uzer: its fun to say its a ToS violation without actually backing it up, now isn't it. |
| 09:06.00 | MoonWolf | Tekkub, is that a word ? |
| 09:06.07 | Corrodias | since blizzard DOES claim to moderate the chat |
| 09:06.09 | Tekkub | it's clad's job |
| 09:06.14 | Corrodias | well... slightly |
| 09:06.22 | Ycarene | clad - Oh, ok, well technically its not nonsense if all the parties who can see it can decode it. |
| 09:06.26 | MoonWolf | when mods feel like it. |
| 09:06.31 | uzer | cladhaire: you are the one who said it was a tos violation |
| 09:06.33 | cladhaire | Ycarene: in which case WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE ENCRYPTED! |
| 09:06.37 | cladhaire | uzer: for a completely different reason |
| 09:06.40 | cladhaire | am i taking fucking crazy pills? |
| 09:06.43 | cladhaire | 1.) There are already encryption/decryption libraries out there that do quite a good job. Writing another one that will be infinitely slower than something like TEA seems silly. |
| 09:07.08 | Ycarene | clad - ok, I won't write any more, I was just testing the water. |
| 09:07.25 | cladhaire | 2.) No one has provided a single use case for needing this sort of "privacy" in game that isn't already covered by other situations. |
| 09:07.30 | Cairenn | I just really don't see the need for it, nor can I see Blizz being happy about it |
| 09:07.39 | cladhaire | 3.) If you are planning to kill someone, or threaten the lives of anyone.. I want them to be able to monitor your fucking chat |
| 09:07.58 | uzer | straight from tos, You understand that Blizzard may record your chat sessions and you consent to such monitoring or logging. |
| 09:08.02 | Corrodias | short answer, the only person you'd be hiding something from is Blizzard, and we don't -want- that |
| 09:08.03 | cladhaire | 4.) If you're discussing other things that are of a personal nature and you wouldn't do it over IM or email, then don't do it in WoW.. simple enougg. |
| 09:08.18 | cladhaire | uzer: yes, and nowhere there does it state that you must provide the data in plain text for them to read |
| 09:08.29 | uzer | cladhaire: exactly |
| 09:08.33 | cladhaire | ... |
| 09:08.38 | cladhaire | uzer: that was NEVER my case. |
| 09:08.38 | cladhaire | ever |
| 09:08.39 | Ycarene | clad - ok, calm down, I get your point. |
| 09:08.43 | cladhaire | jesus christ |
| 09:08.52 | MoonWolf | you simply can't go around spouting random lines of crap on public channels... |
| 09:09.04 | Tekkub | there's only one way to get clad to stop now |
| 09:09.06 | Ycarene | MoonWolf - I never suggested that... |
| 09:09.13 | cladhaire | Ycarene: we're responding to uzer |
| 09:09.17 | cladhaire | who for some reason is arguing with me |
| 09:09.19 | Tekkub | everyone involved in the conversation has to tell him he's right |
| 09:09.20 | MoonWolf | Tekkub, admit we were all wrong ? |
| 09:09.26 | zenzelezz | http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2008/07/then-well-grab.html |
| 09:09.32 | uzer | im not arguing with you |
| 09:09.52 | Tekkub | and even that's a longshot, he might just keep going till he falls asleep |
| 09:09.54 | Ycarene | I could see that being a violation if you spouted in general, trade, or any publicly viewable chat where the participants didn't all understand it. |
| 09:10.14 | MoonWolf | Tekkub, that won't happen for another 12 hours or so.l |
| 09:10.20 | Ycarene | Jeez, I didn't mean to troll the channel guys. |
| 09:10.22 | cladhaire | here's one |
| 09:10.22 | cladhaire | Transmit or post any content or language which, in the sole and absolute discretion of Blizzard, is deemed to be offensive, including without limitation content or language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable, nor may you use a misspelling or an alternative spelling to circumvent the |
| 09:10.26 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.40 | cladhaire | a court of law would probably find encryption to be a violation of the final clause there, if we're talking text communication |
| 09:10.45 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 09:11.00 | Tekkub | oh I break that one all the time |
| 09:11.20 | Cairenn | there's breaking it and then there is breaking it |
| 09:11.34 | Tekkub | and then there's Sboing all over it |
| 09:11.39 | cladhaire | and I apologize, I can't find the clause regarding sending nonsense to other people, other than being covered by disrupting the flow of gameplay |
| 09:11.47 | cladhaire | so I was wrong about whats already been stated with that |
| 09:11.56 | Corrodias | hey. who stole my watch? |
| 09:12.01 | uzer | no, encryption is not any of those things, unless the pre-encrypted text would violate one of those |
| 09:12.12 | cladhaire | ... yes |
| 09:12.15 | cladhaire | that's exactly what we're saying |
| 09:12.19 | MoonWolf | Corrodias, clad's encrypted cat did. |
| 09:12.20 | cladhaire | in this case |
| 09:12.37 | uzer | and then, if you were talking about someone, without them being able to read it, it cannot be considered harrassment |
| 09:12.53 | Ycarene | uzer - well, not so much man |
| 09:12.56 | Tekkub | you know I can see where this would go... you'd get keylogged, stripped, then they'd encrypt your toon on their way out |
| 09:13.11 | cladhaire | uzer: and you dont' need encryption to do that. |
| 09:13.11 | Ycarene | uzer - Depends on how much the third party knows about the conversation. |
| 09:13.33 | Corrodias | you could be discussing something illegal. how can Blizzard be sure you're not? |
| 09:13.55 | uzer | Corrodias: they cannot, but that doe not directly violate tos |
| 09:14.24 | Ycarene | uzer - I think overtly discussing illegal activity falls under "otherwise objectionable material" |
| 09:14.26 | uzer | that doesnt mean they cant ban you for it, you dont have to violate their tos for you to be banned, they have the right to refuse their service/product to anyone |
| 09:14.34 | Corrodias | as clad said, "nor may you use a misspelling or an alternative spelling to circumvent the content and language restrictions listed above; |
| 09:14.52 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 09:14.55 | Ycarene | uzer - Wait, that would be "unlawful" content. |
| 09:15.16 | cladhaire | Blizzard can ban you for pretty much anything |
| 09:15.29 | uzer | yeah, that would be unlawful content, you are right |
| 09:15.39 | Ycarene | topic change - server side keybinds, macros, etc... |
| 09:15.42 | cladhaire | play with one hand because you're masturbating in the background and they probably have clauses in the ToS or EULA that they can ban you for, it's their service and its at their discretion. |
| 09:15.56 | Tekkub | Ycarene, yup |
| 09:15.56 | cladhaire | Ycarene: I like em for most things, but its tough for people who play with different setups on different computers, but manageable. |
| 09:16.57 | Ycarene | I made the suggestion some time ago that guilds get a set amount of server memory storage (anywhere from 20k to 500k) for use by guild management addons. |
| 09:17.13 | cladhaire | Ycarene: they have it now with the calendar system, basically |
| 09:17.23 | cladhaire | why is that not sufficient? |
| 09:17.34 | Ycarene | clad - There's a calendar system? |
| 09:17.39 | Tekkub | yes |
| 09:17.41 | cladhaire | yes |
| 09:17.50 | nevcairiel | the new calendar rocks :D |
| 09:17.53 | Ycarene | is that in WotLK, becuase I've never seen it. |
| 09:17.58 | Tekkub | yes |
| 09:17.58 | cladhaire | well its there |
| 09:18.01 | nevcairiel | Yes, wotlk |
| 09:18.03 | Ycarene | Ahh |
| 09:18.05 | MoonWolf | hmmm |
| 09:18.17 | MoonWolf | in theory you could have addons save "settings" in macro's |
| 09:18.19 | MoonWolf | right ? |
| 09:18.33 | Tekkub | I guess moony |
| 09:18.39 | Tekkub | why though? |
| 09:18.50 | MoonWolf | no clue, it just popped into my head. |
| 09:19.01 | cladhaire | MoonWolf: the point is to be able to store something like DKP like EGPG does in the guild notes |
| 09:19.11 | cladhaire | but you can probably manage that in the calendar now |
| 09:19.17 | MoonWolf | certainly |
| 09:19.21 | Ycarene | Well, the reason I had for it was that, and for small message boards and the like, or for news items beyond the GMOTD and such. |
| 09:19.30 | cladhaire | when an event ends, change the note to hold the DKP information |
| 09:19.33 | Ycarene | Server side addons and settings would be problematic... |
| 09:19.50 | MoonWolf | create a whole bunch of notes on dates nobody can see yet and store them there, base64 encoded can win you a lot of space. |
| 09:19.59 | Ycarene | isn't the macro limit still 32 macros at 255 chars each? You couldn't store much. |
| 09:20.05 | Tekkub | A guild "shout box" woudl be cool |
| 09:20.14 | Tekkub | but "forums"... never |
| 09:20.18 | MoonWolf | Ycarene, i can store a lot in 3 bytes. |
| 09:20.34 | MoonWolf | 1 byte for indication for stored variable, 2 bytes for data. |
| 09:20.43 | MoonWolf | unless you are storing strings. |
| 09:21.11 | MoonWolf | you could also create a default layout of the memory and only store actual data. |
| 09:21.17 | MoonWolf | acess by offset. |
| 09:21.53 | MoonWolf | i could store a good 85 values (not strings) in 255 bytes. |
| 09:21.57 | MoonWolf | seems like good storage to me. |
| 09:21.59 | Ycarene | But I was saying that you could write an addon that could be run by the GM that allocated the memory in specific ways with permissions based on guild rank. |
| 09:22.31 | Tekkub | there's a real big flaw with "social" addons |
| 09:22.38 | Tekkub | you have to get people to use them |
| 09:22.47 | Tekkub | that never works |
| 09:22.54 | Ycarene | Besides only you have access to your server side macros, a guild memory space could be accessable by multiple people. |
| 09:23.02 | MoonWolf | its hard enough to get people to show up at the door of an instance on time. |
| 09:23.05 | Tekkub | humans break any design where they have a key role |
| 09:23.34 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 09:23.38 | Fisker- | Was just playing RA 3 beta |
| 09:23.43 | MoonWolf | communism would be awesome.... without humans. |
| 09:23.45 | Fisker- | and we agreed on not attacking each other |
| 09:23.58 | Ycarene | Tekkub - The only lfg addon was a prime example of that, it wasn't until they were almost done implementing a (flawed) lfg system that it really started to see use. |
| 09:23.58 | Tekkub | communism kicks ass, stupid humans |
| 09:24.13 | Fisker- | So i took the center of the map (tech buildings and garisson :D) and then someone said i should back out of there or "face the consequences" |
| 09:24.18 | Corrodias | ants are communist |
| 09:24.26 | Corrodias | fucking scary, too |
| 09:24.29 | Fisker- | Then he attacked some of my garissoned units and buildings |
| 09:24.39 | MoonWolf | all colonials insects are. |
| 09:24.50 | Fisker- | Then i chronosphered his naval army up on land, destroyed his land army, and sent like 20 aircraft carriers after him |
| 09:24.52 | Ycarene | Corrodias - Ants are biologically communist, humans are biologically Anarchist. |
| 09:24.57 | Fisker- | gogo ragequit :D |
| 09:25.03 | Tekkub | Ycarene, I'd hardly call it use... I was on a high pop server and saw maybe 20 people at most in there |
| 09:25.26 | MoonWolf | humans are biolocially assholes. |
| 09:25.34 | Tekkub | hell, even the "official" LFG channel doesn't get a whole ton of traffic |
| 09:25.40 | Ycarene | Tekkub - the best part of Call to Arms was the monitor function that watched channels for LFG and LFM requests and listed them for you. |
| 09:25.53 | Corrodias | CtA, baby. LOVED it. |
| 09:26.21 | Tekkub | it was a neat addon, aye... but still the flaw in the whole design is the humans |
| 09:26.22 | Corrodias | yeah, having it list open requests and advertise your own on an interval was all i ever wanted ;.; |
| 09:26.39 | Ycarene | Tekkub - A limit of 3 things you can be LFG for, being limited by level, having to go lfg for at least one thing to join the channel has made that feature less than useful. |
| 09:27.10 | Tekkub | the limits are kinda dumb, yes |
| 09:27.13 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 09:27.22 | Tekkub | but the requirement to be in the channel is a good thing |
| 09:27.29 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 09:27.34 | Tekkub | otherwise people just ignored it completely |
| 09:27.50 | MoonWolf | however the systems breaks down because a majority of people group with friends and guild only. |
| 09:27.56 | Tekkub | then you have a channel full of lurkers you can't query to see who wants to do what |
| 09:28.23 | Tekkub | yea, that's the big breaking point... all the losers are in LFG :) |
| 09:29.19 | Ycarene | A very simple and effective lfg system would be, /lfg flag with a comment, that way all a person has to do is /who lfg or /who lfg 65-70, etc... then just read the comments as to what they're lfg for. |
| 09:30.05 | Tekkub | honestly, give a window when the user selects "instance" |
| 09:30.06 | MoonWolf | if only the damn system woul display what spec people were |
| 09:30.07 | Ycarene | As long as you make the comment very prominent, I gaurantee people will find that tons more useful. |
| 09:30.12 | MoonWolf | that alone would help. |
| 09:30.14 | Tekkub | check off every one you're interested in |
| 09:30.28 | Tekkub | automatically show the player's spec |
| 09:30.38 | Tekkub | allow a comment (like currently) |
| 09:30.56 | Tekkub | drop "auto join" completely cause I don't think anyone uses it |
| 09:31.14 | MoonWolf | auto join groups don't work. |
| 09:31.19 | Ycarene | There's days I want to be LFG for all heroics but I can't do that with the system now because I have to use a comment, which is a tiny piece of the tooltip that no-one reads. |
| 09:32.30 | Ycarene | Everquest 1's LFG is simple and useful. You're either LFG, LFM or not and the comment makes it clear what you're looking for. |
| 09:32.32 | Tekkub | hell, the UI could automatically condense it down into an advertise string and announce it in the channel too.. "priest 40/21/0 LFG SP(H) SLabs(H) Kara ZA" |
| 09:32.57 | Tekkub | make the instance names links even |
| 09:33.12 | Tekkub | no more "what's DM?" |
| 09:33.28 | Corrodias | dire maul. always. |
| 09:33.47 | Corrodias | even noobs know that. they're just MESSING WITH YOU. |
| 09:34.02 | MoonWolf | no , its dead mines! |
| 09:34.04 | Nechckn | lol |
| 09:34.10 | MoonWolf | no0bs |
| 09:34.39 | Tekkub | still, it's trying to fix a system that's, frankly, not worth it |
| 09:34.52 | Tekkub | most people just run with ther guild |
| 09:35.00 | Ycarene | Tekkup actually it should look like "priest [40/21/0] LFG SlavePens(Heroic) Shadow Laboratory (Heroic) Karazhan (Raid 10 man) Zul'Aman (Raid 10 man) |
| 09:35.02 | Nechckn | Most of the time, the only way you get into DM anymore is helping 60 warlocks |
| 09:35.13 | Ycarene | Different servers you different Abbreviations. |
| 09:35.22 | Tekkub | Ycarene, don't abbrev. the instances and it'll get VERY long |
| 09:35.24 | Nechckn | I like your idea , though Tekkub that makes sense |
| 09:35.31 | Tekkub | how many 70 heroics are there? |
| 09:35.39 | Ycarene | The spec could be clickable. |
| 09:35.41 | Corrodias | 5 or 6 i think |
| 09:35.57 | Corrodias | oh, never mind, it's more than that :( |
| 09:36.00 | Tekkub | if blizzy defines the abbrevs and makes them links, there is no room for csnfusion |
| 09:36.28 | Tekkub | 14 heroics at least... |
| 09:37.41 | Ycarene | Tekkub - you could set a limit where if there's more than 3 that they're lfg for, it turns into a link that says [Instances] for regular 5 mans [Heroic Instances] for Heroics and [Raids] for raids as well as [Custom Group] for unspecified stuff like quests and clicking the link would list what they put. |
| 09:38.08 | zenzelezz | my realm still seems undecided on whether Magister's Terrace should be "MgT" or "MT", so it's half and half... I always end up thinking "Mana Tombs? o_O" |
| 09:38.11 | Tekkub | ick, then you have to click every link |
| 09:38.30 | MoonWolf | zenzelezz, it should be MrT |
| 09:38.32 | Ycarene | Or make the links pop tooltips on hover. |
| 09:38.51 | Ycarene | Nothing says a hardcore instance like MrT. |
| 09:39.08 | Nechckn | Ycarene has a good point wiht the tooltip of the tooltip |
| 09:39.21 | Nechckn | even if the links are standard- those who don't know could hover |
| 09:39.28 | MoonWolf | new in wrath, tooltips WITH TOOLTIPS |
| 09:39.34 | MoonWolf | even more data at your mouse cursor. |
| 09:39.42 | Tekkub | see now, I'd call it MaTer |
| 09:39.44 | Nechckn | Yes! |
| 09:39.47 | Ycarene | I wish you could unsocket gems. |
| 09:39.51 | Tekkub | but then, I've never even been there |
| 09:39.59 | MoonWolf | Tekkub, go there at least once. |
| 09:40.02 | MoonWolf | it is a cool plac.e |
| 09:40.12 | Tekkub | I will... probably when I'm 80 |
| 09:40.42 | Tekkub | I have this stupid plan of getting a tank to 80 so I can actually play with the hubby and ex roomie |
| 09:40.58 | Tekkub | right now we get stuck in that "can't find a tank ever" hole |
| 09:41.06 | Tekkub | we got healers out the ass |
| 09:41.15 | Tekkub | DPS is dime a dozen |
| 09:41.48 | Ycarene | Have an unsocket vendor that charges you to 5 gold to unsocket a green gem, 50 to unsocket a blue gem and 200 to unsocket an epic gem. |
| 09:42.04 | Tekkub | we HAD a tank that was just starting to get into good gear, then he got himself a bitch that can't spend any time without him and he just kinda fell off the face of the earf |
| 09:42.21 | Tekkub | 50 to unsocket a blue? |
| 09:42.25 | Tekkub | just buy a new one |
| 09:42.37 | Tekkub | that's the price of the gem you're destroying |
| 09:43.08 | Ycarene | Tekkub - Well the point is, if its a gem that can't easily be replaced because you got it in a quest or as a drop, you'd want to keep it. |
| 09:43.36 | Tekkub | if the gem can't be easily replaced, you should give good consideration to what you use it in |
| 09:43.44 | Tekkub | and what gem comes from a quest? |
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| 09:43.54 | Arrowmaster | i have 2 |
| 09:44.15 | Arrowmaster | one from nightbane quest, and another from SSO quest |
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| 09:44.31 | bleetah | waaaaa damned oceanic queues waaaaa |
| 09:44.35 | Tekkub | http://www.wowhead.com/?items=3&filter=cr=18;crs=1;crv=0 |
| 09:44.45 | Tekkub | interesting didn't know there were reward gems |
| 09:44.53 | Arrowmaster | oh wait i have 3 |
| 09:44.57 | Arrowmaster | forgot about the stam one |
| 09:46.05 | bleetah | bah, where's guillotine |
| 09:46.09 | Ycarene | Tekkub - point is, if you want to socket a gem that you can easily buy, you're not going to pay to unsocket a gem you can buy for the same price, but if the gem can't easily be replaced and you DID give due consideration to placing it. (such as putting it in a particularily good piece of gear, that you ended up replacing with something even better) |
| 09:47.19 | Tekkub | well, it's all moot come wrath unless they make more one-time gems there |
| 09:47.19 | Ycarene | I would also like to see spec meta's that go into set chest pieces. |
| 09:49.17 | Ycarene | Basically would be a special meta gem that you could buy, make or quest for that when placed into the meta spot of the chest piece that causes the stats of that set to be spent in a way that complements that set. |
| 09:49.35 | Ycarene | compliments that spec* |
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| 09:50.45 | Tekkub | instead of three sets for pallies? :P |
| 09:51.09 | Ycarene | For example, for pvp, it would adjust the stats of the set that the chest piece is part of towards having resilience and more stamina. |
| 09:51.13 | Ycarene | Tekkub - exactly. |
| 09:51.21 | Tekkub | who knows, they are trying to simplify dowm stats, and there's this talk of two swappable specs |
| 09:51.53 | Tekkub | so maybe they'll make sets that adapt to spec, or are gereic and the spec enhances the stats in the means it needs (spellpower) |
| 09:52.08 | Ycarene | Could work for weapon sets too, having the meta slot in the mainhand part. |
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| 09:53.56 | Ycarene | I always liked that priest staff that you could transform from one that enhanced holy to one that enhanced shadow. I forget what they were called but you got one of the pieces from domos chest. |
| 09:54.27 | Tekkub | heh, that and the hunter bow were two of their biggest mistakes |
| 09:54.44 | Corrodias | benediction/anathema |
| 09:54.49 | Ycarene | That's it |
| 09:55.12 | Corrodias | rhok'delar was the bow |
| 09:55.19 | Ycarene | I dunno, I saw a LOT of priests with benediction even up to right before bc. |
| 09:55.33 | Tekkub | I have to harass Iriel tomorrow for some samle secure code |
| 09:55.43 | Corrodias | "fun awesome hunter-teaching quest? let's make only the MC raiders get to do it!" |
| 09:55.52 | Tekkub | I looked at the UI code like he said... and still have no clue how to use it |
| 09:56.10 | Ycarene | The hunter weapon was retarded though, how many hunters did you know have ever used staves on a regular basis. |
| 09:56.26 | Tekkub | "hunter teaching"? you mean how to kite? |
| 09:56.35 | Tekkub | I _STILL_ cannot kite for shit |
| 09:57.10 | Ycarene | Corrodias - Considering that Benediction was better than any other weapon a priest could get out of MC, I don't see a problem with that. |
| 09:57.39 | Corrodias | i.. what? i meant the bow |
| 09:58.00 | Ycarene | Corrodias - oops, my bad. |
| 09:59.07 | Ycarene | Personally, I think they should have implemented more class based solo quests that were really hard like that. |
| 09:59.28 | Ycarene | One of the cooler things, once they streamlined the quests, about EQ1 were the epic weapon quests. |
| 09:59.46 | Tekkub | they said the class weapon quests were one of their biggest mistakes |
| 10:00.44 | Corrodias | i hope they mean making them so inaccessible and did not mean making them at all |
| 10:00.51 | Ycarene | tekkub - I dunno, the work I put into my noodle made my clicky res feel worth it. |
| 10:01.08 | Tekkub | noodle? |
| 10:01.22 | Ycarene | Cleric epic V 1.0 |
| 10:01.28 | Tekkub | huh? |
| 10:01.53 | durcyn | i think he's referring to the shape of benediction, tek |
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| 10:02.19 | zenzelezz | such quests can be awesome for players, but hard to develop or tie in with the game |
| 10:02.43 | Ycarene | Tekkub - oops, I have a Cleric in everquest that has his epic weapon, its' a flail called the Water Sprinkler of Nem'Ankh, it drips water, so people called it a noodle. It has a USE: effect that ressed your target. |
| 10:03.06 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 10:03.41 | Ycarene | I still need someone to help me do the LFay part of my epic 1.5 though. |
| 10:04.22 | Corrodias | sounds nice |
| 10:04.51 | Ycarene | Point is, each weapon richly enhanced the character that got it, despite the class. Rhok'delar just didn't seem to be worth the trouble. |
| 10:04.55 | Corrodias | Ycarene: here, i'll buy everquest, learn how to play, level up, and help you out! |
| 10:04.59 | Cairenn | the only objection I had to them was the planes components - completely not fair to certain classes |
| 10:05.06 | Ycarene | Corrodias - lol |
| 10:05.21 | Corrodias | the bow itself, probably not worth the effort |
| 10:05.27 | Corrodias | but the journey was the value |
| 10:05.36 | Tekkub | if you like kiting |
| 10:05.54 | Ycarene | Cairenn - Yeah, the warrior and wizard quests were especially annoying in that regard. |
| 10:05.59 | Corrodias | getting to do those fights, that tested various techniques, was something a lot of people enjoyed |
| 10:06.03 | Corrodias | but few got the chancwe |
| 10:06.11 | Cairenn | oh bullshit, Hate was a breeze, that's where all the tanks & clerics went |
| 10:06.15 | Cairenn | wah wah wah |
| 10:06.25 | Cairenn | go break Fear some time :p |
| 10:06.41 | Cairenn | without, btw, any tanks or clerics :p |
| 10:06.55 | Ycarene | Cairenn - The cleric quest was unfairly easy though, just really annoying in waiting for drops and such. |
| 10:07.15 | Ycarene | Cairenn - I've broken fear before. |
| 10:07.21 | Cairenn | not that I had any particular problem, but i know it was a bitch for others |
| 10:07.58 | Cairenn | meh, my guild was who the pugs called in to save their asses in fear |
| 10:08.06 | Cairenn | we'd go break it naked |
| 10:08.08 | Ycarene | I remember the cleric rubicite replacement quests and stumpwatch... |
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| 10:08.24 | Tekkub | it's like a bunch of gibberish |
| 10:09.26 | Ycarene | Tekkub - Plane of fear is where the god of fear lived and where you landed when you stepped inside was crawling with really agressive monsters. |
| 10:09.45 | Tekkub | Ycarene, you seem to be confused and think I care :P |
| 10:10.01 | Ycarene | tekkub - Well, you commented, and I thought I'd educate. |
| 10:10.49 | Ycarene | Cairenn - We had a weekly pug hate group every thursday, before kunark came out. |
| 10:11.19 | Cairenn | we broke that for the public raids, too |
| 10:11.39 | Corrodias | what is "break"? |
| 10:12.24 | Ycarene | Corrodias - Basically making it safe to enter and pull. |
| 10:12.35 | Cairenn | when you went into either of the "Plane"s (Plane of Hate or Plane of Fear) |
| 10:12.45 | Ycarene | EQ dungeons were't conducive to "crawling" like WoW dungeons are. |
| 10:12.51 | Cairenn | there are high level mobs at the very entrance |
| 10:12.56 | Corrodias | i see |
| 10:13.11 | Cairenn | so you'd have to have a solid first group to land in the zone and make it safe for the rest to come in |
| 10:13.33 | Ycarene | Corrodias - These zones are also not instanced either. |
| 10:13.48 | Corrodias | when do things respawn? |
| 10:14.02 | Ycarene | I think hate had a 4 hour respawn rate. |
| 10:14.03 | Cairenn | in some ways it was worse for hate, because you had to have a wizard port you in, so only 5 could land, 1 of them being the wizzy |
| 10:14.15 | Ycarene | 6 |
| 10:14.33 | Cairenn | fear was worse because while you could all zone in at once, there were more mobs and a much larger aggro radius |
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| 10:14.41 | Ycarene | There was less stuff at the hate enterance though, and not as many wanderers. |
| 10:15.16 | Corrodias | why would they do that, i wonder? |
| 10:15.25 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 10:15.31 | Corrodias | design it so hard just to get inside? |
| 10:15.39 | Ycarene | Corrodias - as a challenge |
| 10:15.43 | Cairenn | because it was supposed to be a challenge |
| 10:16.05 | Ycarene | Breaking fear was an accomplishment in itself. |
| 10:16.41 | Ycarene | My experiences in EQ is why I grumble when people make me go into vent for 5 mans. |
| 10:16.53 | Cairenn | lol, 1/2 the time when we'd get called in to help them recover, they had people from the public raid outside trying to regain their level, without any armour or weapons, so they could get back in |
| 10:16.58 | Cairenn | it was hilarious |
| 10:17.09 | Cairenn | they'd wiped 4 or 5 or 6 times |
| 10:17.13 | Ycarene | Yeah, the death penalty in EQ was really harsh |
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| 10:17.30 | Cairenn | so when it all went that bad, they'd call us in |
| 10:17.38 | Ycarene | you'd lose 10% of your previous levels exp, and you could lose levels if you lost enough. |
| 10:18.01 | Tekkub | same as FFXI |
| 10:18.06 | Ycarene | It was particularily bad if you had just dinged out of a hell level. |
| 10:18.06 | Cairenn | we'd show up, strip our gear into our bags, go break the zone for them and drag their corpses to the zone in so they could loot |
| 10:18.31 | Cairenn | and hold the zone for them until they were ready to go again |
| 10:18.45 | Cairenn | mind you, we'd cleared at least 1/3 of the zone by then :p |
| 10:19.03 | Ycarene | E'ci (not tunare) has a public raiding system that actually gets first kills though. |
| 10:19.49 | Ycarene | We had a ranger that we SWORE had to die every time we raided or we wouldn't be successful. We'd have him go pull the fear golems and cazic. |
| 10:19.56 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 10:20.08 | Cairenn | E'ci did not, at least not when I was playing |
| 10:20.12 | Cairenn | that was my server :p |
| 10:20.22 | Ycarene | You don't remember the Ashorty raiding crew? |
| 10:20.40 | Cairenn | who the hell do you think we were recovering for :p |
| 10:20.51 | Ycarene | lol |
| 10:20.55 | Cairenn | ashorty was an ass |
| 10:21.06 | Ycarene | Towards the middle of PoP, they started getting really good. |
| 10:21.19 | Cairenn | yeah, after he learned from us :p |
| 10:21.21 | Ycarene | Yeah, I will give you that one. |
| 10:21.25 | Cairenn | <== GL SoC |
| 10:21.38 | Cairenn | Officer, SA |
| 10:21.39 | Ycarene | I'm in The Keepers |
| 10:22.18 | Cairenn | the only other group that was the same level as us was Recon |
| 10:22.36 | Ycarene | Ashorty is the reason I'm glad we didn't use voice chat though. |
| 10:22.47 | Cairenn | Ashorty learned his tactics by having us come in and show him how to deal with [whatever] |
| 10:23.26 | Ycarene | Well, yeah. |
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| 10:24.17 | Ycarene | Who got first kill on OMM? (I was kind of not playing when that happened)? |
| 10:24.32 | Cairenn | OMM? |
| 10:24.40 | Ycarene | Overlord Mata Muram |
| 10:24.44 | Cairenn | (sorry, been a while since I played) |
| 10:24.56 | Cairenn | ummmm ... hmmmm .... which expansion was that? |
| 10:25.00 | Cairenn | not recognizing the name |
| 10:25.53 | Ycarene | Gates of Discord |
| 10:26.03 | Cairenn | ah, that was just after I left |
| 10:26.09 | Ycarene | No, wait, Omens of War. |
| 10:26.14 | Ycarene | Oh, ok. |
| 10:27.41 | Cairenn | so who was the ranger that had to die? (has some guesses) |
| 10:27.47 | Ycarene | Redi |
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| 10:27.55 | Cairenn | omg |
| 10:27.58 | Cairenn | when was this?! |
| 10:28.01 | Ycarene | He still plays |
| 10:28.03 | Cairenn | he's still playing? |
| 10:28.06 | Cairenn | O.O |
| 10:28.16 | Ycarene | So does Aedorhm and Hrendra |
| 10:28.17 | Cairenn | holy hell - tell him I said hi :p |
| 10:28.31 | Cairenn | those are new names to me, but Redi certainly isn't |
| 10:28.43 | Ycarene | Oh yeah, Redi calls me Grape Ape |
| 10:28.48 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:29.01 | Ycarene | From when he first met my cleric decked out in Ethereal Mist. |
| 10:29.38 | Ycarene | You remember Hops? |
| 10:30.21 | Cairenn | no |
| 10:30.44 | Ycarene | Hmm, Harnan and Topy? (I'm probably reaching here) |
| 10:31.02 | Cairenn | outside my own guild and our alliance, unless they were really high level ranger I didn't really pay much attention (not trying to be mean here, just fact) |
| 10:31.10 | Ycarene | Heh |
| 10:31.51 | Ycarene | I you wanna say hi, he still trolls the keepers forums, http://thekeepers-eq.org/forums/ |
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| 10:41.37 | xolan | are there any good guides as to how the interface options - addons panel works? I've managed to add categories, but not have anything inside the frame to the right. Any pointers? |
| 10:43.02 | cladhaire | just the framexml code |
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| 10:43.05 | cladhaire | its pretty straightforward |
| 10:43.12 | cladhaire | you just add a panel, and it gets displayed there. |
| 10:43.34 | xolan | hm |
| 10:43.41 | xolan | does it have to be a template? |
| 10:43.51 | cladhaire | huh? |
| 10:43.57 | cladhaire | no |
| 10:44.27 | Xuerian | Just a appropriate sized frame, more or less |
| 10:44.39 | xolan | k, I'll have another go then. :) |
| 10:45.00 | cladhaire | i'm looking for al ink for you |
| 10:46.21 | xolan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1&pageNo=15 I'm reading post 294 here |
| 10:46.47 | cladhaire | yep |
| 10:46.49 | cladhaire | thats what you need to know. |
| 10:48.23 | Fisker- | i pwn n00bs |
| 10:48.36 | Xinhuan | http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=mod&m=6530 |
| 10:48.39 | xolan | great, I got it working :) |
| 10:48.41 | Xinhuan | http://wowui.worldofwar.net/?p=wotlkbeta |
| 10:48.46 | Xinhuan | pretty good author fake there |
| 10:49.13 | Fisker- | wtf |
| 10:49.16 | Fisker- | why are they getting keys? |
| 10:49.17 | Fisker- | :o |
| 10:49.54 | Xinhuan | is anyone able to resolve the ip address of irc.incgamers.com ? |
| 10:49.57 | Xinhuan | cos i can't |
| 10:50.09 | Fisker- | non-existant domain |
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| 10:51.08 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/tmp/ButtonBin.png Minimalistic LDB display addon (work in progress) |
| 10:51.56 | xolan | Xinhuan: 89.107.69.76 is the domain's ip. Dunno about the sub domain though. |
| 10:51.58 | Fisker- | ON THE MOUTH |
| 10:52.04 | Xinhuan | hm |
| 10:52.34 | Xinhuan | didn't work |
| 10:52.55 | xolan | you'll probably need a port as well |
| 10:53.07 | Xinhuan | default irc port number didn't work heh |
| 10:53.09 | Xinhuan | connection refused |
| 10:55.40 | xolan | "IncGamers (this includes GWO) IRC has been discontinued, leaving a bunch of people without a home." |
| 10:56.32 | Cairenn | xolan: where's this? |
| 10:58.07 | xolan | forum thread through google: http://guildwars.incgamers.com/showthread.php?t=466191 |
| 10:58.56 | Cairenn | that thread is a year old :p |
| 11:00.13 | xolan | yep, I just figured that's why he couldn't reach irc.incgamers.com |
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| 11:00.28 | Arrowmaster | all the typos on the wowui.worldofwar wotlkbeta page are great |
| 11:01.01 | Cairenn | ahhhhh, sorry, missed the previous conversation, my bad |
| 11:01.19 | Arrowmaster | really makes you trust that theyre actually part of the same deal with blizzard that curse and wowi have |
| 11:01.21 | Cairenn | omg, someone shoot me now, I can't believe I just said 'my bad' |
| 11:02.03 | xolan | :P |
| 11:03.52 | xolan | well I was about to install the wotlkbeta client after a couple of days of downloading only to realize it was for the wrong locale.. |
| 11:04.00 | Cairenn | oh no |
| 11:04.25 | xolan | the correct one's on the way though, and there's no hurry I guess :P |
| 11:06.06 | Cairenn | you have the link to download from, right? |
| 11:07.45 | xolan | yep |
| 11:07.59 | xolan | seems legit, I'm just downloading it so I'll have it ready though |
| 11:08.20 | Cairenn | http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Client_and_Patches |
| 11:08.56 | xolan | yep, I pulled down the wrong one... :) |
| 11:10.34 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: i realized i did infact have a wowui account so i went ahead and reported that too |
| 11:11.14 | Arrowmaster | i swore i was boycotting them so i dont know how the fuck i have an account |
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| 11:33.05 | Kemayo | Cairenn: Are people from the wowi beta key givaway starting to get their keys yet, perchance? :D |
| 11:33.22 | Cairenn | seems not =/ |
| 11:33.39 | nevcairiel | I havent heard of anyone getting their key yet, and i doubt they actually work on that during weekends =( |
| 11:33.58 | Kemayo | 'twas worth asking -- my number was towards the end of what was mentioned as having been sent off |
| 11:34.22 | batrick | mine was #3 and I haven't gotten anything :P |
| 11:34.24 | zenzelezz | I cannot teach this one. The boy has no patience. |
| 11:34.41 | nevcairiel | Kemayo: i would bet that all get the key once they start sending |
| 11:35.59 | Xinhuan | do they send the stuff straight to author email addresses? or to wowi |
| 11:36.08 | Cairenn | to the author |
| 11:36.43 | cladhaire | anyone here that can give me some help with debian? |
| 11:36.53 | Xinhuan | how does blizzard know our wow account details? or they dont' at all? heh |
| 11:37.42 | Cairenn | they don't |
| 11:38.21 | nevcairiel | They just send you a key |
| 11:38.27 | nevcairiel | which you can use to unlock your account |
| 11:38.39 | Cairenn | remember when you signed up, we told you to make sure the email address we have is the right one, and it shows you it again on the ticket? |
| 11:42.15 | batrick | cladhaire: I may be able to... what's up? |
| 11:42.26 | cladhaire | etch install, installed mysql-server-5.0 |
| 11:42.35 | cladhaire | and we have 12 instances of mysqld running, all overwriting each others pidfiles |
| 11:43.02 | batrick | that's... odd |
| 11:43.06 | cladhaire | yes, I agree |
| 11:44.17 | batrick | you installed with apt? |
| 11:44.46 | cladhaire | yep |
| 11:45.04 | cladhaire | I'm making a VM now to test again, but I did nothing weird at all |
| 11:45.04 | batrick | I'd try purging and reinstalling |
| 11:45.16 | cladhaire | done it a few times. |
| 11:45.38 | batrick | perhaps you have more than one init.d script starting the server? |
| 11:45.54 | cladhaire | nah its all from the mysql init.d script |
| 11:46.30 | cladhaire | if i kill that, they all go away, and if i start it they come back |
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| 11:47.45 | nevcairiel | hm crazy, i run a mysql-server-5.0 on etch too |
| 11:47.58 | cladhaire | i think it may be something new |
| 11:48.03 | cladhaire | its effed |
| 11:48.07 | cladhaire | my old box ran this way just fine |
| 11:48.09 | batrick | can u pastey the init.d script clad? |
| 11:48.29 | cladhaire | sure |
| 11:50.03 | nevcairiel | You dont run any backports of mysql, do you? |
| 11:50.30 | cladhaire | I have backports set up, but nothing installs from there by default |
| 11:50.33 | cladhaire | this is from the stable repo |
| 11:51.00 | cladhaire | mysql-server-5.0_5.0.32-7etch6_i386.deb) ... |
| 11:51.24 | cladhaire | batrick: http://debian.pastey.net/93018 |
| 11:52.09 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 11:52.14 | nevcairiel | apparently i run a mysql backport |
| 11:52.22 | nevcairiel | from dotdeb.org |
| 11:52.29 | nevcairiel | mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-7.dotdeb.1_i386.deb |
| 11:52.36 | cladhaire | i tried the backport from backports.org and it did the same rhing |
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| 11:59.07 | cladhaire | installing it now on a VM |
| 12:00.43 | cladhaire | and of course, no problems |
| 12:00.43 | cladhaire | >< |
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| 12:06.36 | Adys | How can I differenciate if my target is a npc or a player's pet? |
| 12:10.26 | Matrix110| | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Unit_Functions |
| 12:10.32 | Matrix110| | hf :P |
| 12:11.08 | Matrix110| | UnitPlayerOrPetInParty("unit") |
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| 12:11.33 | Matrix110| | but you need to link that to UnitIsPlayer("unit") |
| 12:11.55 | Adys | oh |
| 12:12.07 | Adys | that wouldnt work for enemy pets? |
| 12:12.13 | Matrix110| | correct |
| 12:12.49 | batrick | cladhaire: that bash script seems ok to me |
| 12:12.58 | cladhaire | yeah i dont knwo whats going on |
| 12:14.13 | Matrix110| | Adys iam not sure if there is a "easy" function to determin if its a enemy pet |
| 12:14.18 | Matrix110| | cant spot one |
| 12:14.24 | Matrix110| | but iam lua nap :P |
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| 12:15.24 | cladhaire | http://dirtgetswet.com/videos/336/worlds-worst-olympic-swimming-trial |
| 12:15.47 | Arrowmaster | Adys: UnitIsPlayerControlled or something like that |
| 12:16.00 | Adys | thanks Arrowmaster, will look it up |
| 12:17.24 | batrick | cladhaire: the server is probably failing to answer pings |
| 12:17.40 | batrick | That's the only reason I can think of for that happening |
| 12:17.49 | cladhaire | yeah its really weird |
| 12:18.54 | Corrodias | now that video is sad |
| 12:20.18 | Corrodias | who are those commentors? |
| 12:20.32 | Corrodias | i think i like these guys |
| 12:21.11 | Arrowmaster | i remember that |
| 12:21.28 | Arrowmaster | you did hear the part where they mentioned the country has no swiming pools right? |
| 12:21.40 | Corrodias | yes |
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| 12:22.32 | Wobin | Roy and HG |
| 12:22.38 | Corrodias | so? does it? |
| 12:22.43 | Wobin | Best olympic commentators ever |
| 12:22.53 | Wobin | You should see their commentary on the synchronised swimming |
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| 12:25.29 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKFWE1xt_x0 |
| 12:25.45 | cladhaire | batrick: actually the same thing seems to be happening with fail2ban, four instances are starting up |
| 12:27.07 | Corrodias | i have no idea what they're talking about in the first part here... |
| 12:27.25 | Wobin | hehehe |
| 12:27.43 | Wobin | They're just using as many euphanisms as they can possibly fit in |
| 12:27.45 | Corrodias | australians and their "cotton and string"... i have to work with australians on occasion |
| 12:27.57 | Corrodias | it's a very confusing work |
| 12:28.10 | Corrodias | -a |
| 12:28.24 | Wobin | heheh |
| 12:28.30 | Wobin | "Beautiful Flat Bag" |
| 12:28.36 | Wobin | and "Heeellllooo boys!" |
| 12:29.32 | Corrodias | are they saying "battered salve"? |
| 12:29.41 | Wobin | Battered Sav |
| 12:29.50 | Corrodias | what's that? |
| 12:29.57 | Corrodias | some kind of fish, perhaps? |
| 12:30.11 | Wobin | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=battered+sav |
| 12:30.42 | Wobin | rofl |
| 12:30.47 | Corrodias | oh |
| 12:30.52 | Wobin | Urban Dictionary has the entire definition of all their terms |
| 12:31.23 | Corrodias | those landings did look hard on his legs, though. that can't be healthy. |
| 12:31.57 | Wobin | Gymnasts are not known for their good knees =) |
| 12:32.21 | Corrodias | is... is anybody? >_> |
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| 12:33.58 | Wobin | Leg models? |
| 12:34.43 | Corrodias | hmm. i suppose they may indeed. |
| 12:34.54 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg8YSKc6pgc&feature=related |
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| 12:56.25 | Corrodias | so is "the dream" the whole series of these? |
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| 13:12.18 | Wobin | Corrodias: It was an ongoing commentary show |
| 13:12.22 | Wobin | on Fridays |
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| 16:04.29 | p3lim | haste: ping |
| 16:06.39 | haste | p3lim: pong |
| 16:06.51 | p3lim | haste: THANKS |
| 16:07.05 | p3lim | for making oUF stable and putting it on wowi |
| 16:07.10 | haste | you had to ping for that :p ? |
| 16:07.15 | p3lim | yap ;D |
| 16:07.59 | haste | wonder how well battlefield 1942 works under linux |
| 16:09.11 | p3lim | i heard it works great, friends of me runs it |
| 16:09.21 | p3lim | though, BF1942 is an old game |
| 16:09.53 | p3lim | watch this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYQP-uBijWg |
| 16:10.07 | p3lim | (battlefield trailer, you'll love it) |
| 16:11.16 | haste | I played BF42 a lot back en 2003 |
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| 16:11.31 | haste | the old clan is gathering again :) |
| 16:11.56 | p3lim | aha :) |
| 16:12.02 | p3lim | May I ask what clan? |
| 16:12.09 | p3lim | Used to play alot too |
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| 16:13.56 | haste | Bellator stifi exinferis |
| 16:14.01 | haste | in after possilbe typo |
| 16:14.27 | haste | stiti* |
| 16:14.37 | haste | almost remebered it correctly |
| 16:19.52 | haste | installing from CDs take ages :( |
| 16:20.17 | p3lim | 4 or 5 cds? |
| 16:20.42 | haste | two |
| 16:20.50 | haste | but it's still on the first one |
| 16:20.52 | p3lim | i think ive got the 5cd box, i purged out the cds and made a dvd out of it instead |
| 16:21.29 | p3lim | as with WoW classic, went into a local store and picked up a 10day trial disc (those are dvd versions ;)) |
| 16:22.10 | p3lim | any admins/smods alive here btw? |
| 16:24.02 | haste | never! |
| 16:24.42 | p3lim | actually.. would an oUF layout be considered as a plugin or a Unitframe addon? |
| 16:27.12 | Slakah | plugin, I would have thought |
| 16:28.24 | p3lim | plugin is a plugin, will change the category of oUF_DruidMana atleast |
| 16:29.06 | haste | it's really both |
| 16:29.20 | haste | you need oUF for it to work, but it is a unit frame layout |
| 16:29.20 | |Jelly| | RAWR! Still no beta key :( |
| 16:29.31 | p3lim | yeah |
| 16:30.04 | p3lim | id say it should be in the Unit Mods category on wowi, while plugins go in plugins |
| 16:33.28 | p3lim | dont you agree haste? |
| 16:34.08 | haste | no, that would make stuff kinda confusing |
| 16:34.08 | p3lim | oh? |
| 16:34.14 | haste | and everyone would have to add a link to oUF in their desc |
| 16:34.25 | haste | and a note :p |
| 16:34.55 | p3lim | an addons can be in a diffrent category than Plugins and patches and still be listed as a plugin |
| 16:35.20 | p3lim | take a look at any layout, under the download button there is info about oUF |
| 16:35.22 | haste | then it's not an issue |
| 16:35.50 | p3lim | and so I'd say its better to list them under Unit Mods |
| 16:35.52 | haste | but don't you have to poke an admin to get that done? |
| 16:35.59 | p3lim | well |
| 16:36.02 | haste | as you can't move stuff yourself |
| 16:36.03 | Slakah | If you look under addon information it shows that it requires oUF/ |
| 16:36.08 | p3lim | all layouts are already under Unit Mods :) |
| 16:36.26 | p3lim | (except your two layouts) |
| 16:36.44 | haste | yes |
| 16:36.44 | p3lim | so the only thing that would require moving would be the plugins (admins can do this very easily) |
| 16:36.54 | haste | they were uploaded as plugins p3lim |
| 16:36.58 | haste | and not moved later |
| 16:37.30 | haste | but doing so is extra work for them, with not much gain :p |
| 16:38.20 | p3lim | from what Ive seen they try to keep everything categorized right |
| 16:39.05 | Shirik|AFK | ok, that needs to stop |
| 16:39.06 | p3lim | btw, on the oUF_Classic picture, '10k3' what does 3 stand for? |
| 16:39.27 | Industrial | 10k==10000 |
| 16:39.32 | Industrial | 10003 |
| 16:39.35 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 16:39.41 | p3lim | ow |
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| 16:40.08 | p3lim | say you have 10255, would it say 10k255? |
| 16:40.09 | Industrial | p3lim: what guild were you in again? |
| 16:40.13 | p3lim | thats just downright nasty :p |
| 16:40.20 | p3lim | Industrial: I changed guild recently |
| 16:40.22 | Industrial | yes it is |
| 16:40.26 | Industrial | p3lim: were you in |
| 16:40.31 | p3lim | Templar Dominion |
| 16:40.37 | Industrial | im in Enigma atm |
| 16:40.42 | p3lim | Yeah I know |
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| 16:40.51 | Industrial | doing MH \o/ |
| 16:40.54 | p3lim | Im in some random guild called Voodoo Gnomes |
| 16:41.02 | haste | p3lim: I have 1029X which becomes 10k3 |
| 16:41.02 | p3lim | doing jack shit :p |
| 16:41.15 | p3lim | ah, explains |
| 16:41.18 | haste | it's rounded |
| 16:41.26 | |Jelly| | I swear to christ, I'm the only person that uses LFG tags. |
| 16:41.27 | p3lim | why not 10,3k? |
| 16:41.52 | Shirik | p3lim, honestly, this is how EEs do it too |
| 16:41.56 | Shirik | just random comment |
| 16:42.13 | Shirik | 5.1 megaohm resistor is 5M1 |
| 16:42.17 | Shirik | etc. |
| 16:42.26 | haste | what Shirik says |
| 16:42.59 | p3lim | hm.. ok |
| 16:43.08 | p3lim | not something id use but ok :) |
| 16:43.10 | haste | he's spot on :) |
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| 16:43.38 | Shirik | it's something I use very frequently :P |
| 16:44.01 | Shirik | Two cabinets full of abbreviations "1R1" through "10M" :P |
| 16:45.43 | |Jelly| | Shirik the nerd. |
| 16:45.51 | Shirik | and proud of it |
| 16:45.55 | |Jelly| | s/the nerd/the [uber] nerd/ |
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| 16:51.48 | Slakah | Is death grip affected by diminishing returns? |
| 16:52.44 | Slakah | I'm asking because it would be interesting to see someone being death gripped from UC to IF. |
| 16:53.35 | Thunder_Child | Slakah, i dont think so since it does no dmg |
| 16:53.55 | Thunder_Child | and it has a 30 yrd range |
| 16:54.09 | [dRaCo] | sheep doesn't do dmg, so that's no argument |
| 16:54.38 | Thunder_Child | does death grip work on pc's? |
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| 16:55.10 | [dRaCo] | guess so, doesn't say otherwise |
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| 17:19.29 | |pez| | I need to purchase SnagIt! it is full of awesome |
| 17:20.25 | p3lim | hm printscreen? |
| 17:20.30 | |pez| | Yeah |
| 17:20.34 | [dRaCo] | it's just a screenshot tool, isnt it? |
| 17:20.40 | |pez| | well, not really |
| 17:20.51 | p3lim | printscreen + mspaint/gimp |
| 17:20.51 | [dRaCo] | what's so special about it? |
| 17:21.04 | |pez| | I can select fields, windows, screenshot whole webpages(it scrolls down for me, and catches everything) |
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| 17:21.34 | p3lim | windows can already be stand-alone captured by windows default printscreen tho |
| 17:21.36 | |pez| | It makes my future work easier, I don't have to crop and copy/paste as much. |
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| 17:22.05 | |pez| | p3lim: my printscreen native to windows has a history of failing. |
| 17:22.14 | p3lim | hm |
| 17:22.24 | p3lim | alt+printscreen = window |
| 17:23.25 | |pez| | printscreen button just won't work really. But I like SnagIt, it'll keep my screengrabs and I can go on screengrab spree |
| 17:23.42 | |pez| | without having to save each one before I go do another. |
| 17:24.20 | hipjipp | iPhoto + wow-screens = epic EASY editing of pictures =) |
| 17:24.40 | |pez| | iPhoto on a HP notebook? XD |
| 17:24.56 | hipjipp | i have a macbook.. just got it =) |
| 17:25.20 | |pez| | I'd love to get a MacBook Air, for showing off products to clients. :P |
| 17:25.51 | hipjipp | ipezl: can you actually poke it without it breaking? it's so thin.. :P |
| 17:26.17 | |pez| | if it broke, I'd ofcourse whine at Apple. :P |
| 17:27.27 | hipjipp | ipezl: i dont find a need for it.. it's got no optical drive and it's way more expensive for just making it thinner.. :P |
| 17:27.47 | |pez| | Sure, but it looks nice. |
| 17:27.55 | |pez| | impression is key, when working with design. |
| 17:29.13 | hipjipp | yeah, true.. but since i'm just a student programmer i like the idea of a sturdy laptop and being able to educate myself to a apple programmer ^^ |
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| 17:31.08 | |pez| | ofcourse, the MacBook Pro wouldn't be a bad choice either. |
| 17:32.04 | hipjipp | yeah.. i'd defenetly buy one when i get a real job or win alot of money @ the lottery.. :P but hey.. this rocks anyway |
| 17:32.58 | |pez| | I'm thinking a mac will look more designery for the clients |
| 17:33.13 | |pez| | even though I actually use a business class notebook from HP for most my work. :P |
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| 17:34.56 | hipjipp | |pez|: do you know a good notepad/cpp program for mac? i'd love it if it was like notepad++ |
| 17:35.07 | hipjipp | also; Welcome Seerah! |
| 17:35.16 | |pez| | I don't have a clue about Mac really |
| 17:35.31 | |pez| | back in school, we were forced to use... some Adobe product for our web development. |
| 17:36.09 | hipjipp | DW8? *shrugs* |
| 17:36.27 | |pez| | Nah, Adobe didn't have DW back then. |
| 17:36.39 | hipjipp | i wouldn't know. i'm only 17.. :P |
| 17:36.49 | |pez| | I'm 22! :D |
| 17:38.00 | Tuller | I want a macbook, yet I know full well I have no use for a laptop :P |
| 17:38.58 | hipjipp | Tuller: Get an iMac, MacMini or a Mac Pro |
| 17:39.08 | hipjipp | if you don't need a laptop :P |
| 17:39.18 | Tuller | I have me a computer I built already :p |
| 17:40.02 | Tuller | the obvious solution: make sure my gf has a macbook, and steal it from her |
| 17:40.21 | |pez| | I was pondering building myself a computer at some point, but I'd rather just have a decent laptop. |
| 17:40.59 | hipjipp | http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html read it and become in love <3 |
| 17:41.30 | cladhaire | I'm shopping for a subnotebook |
| 17:41.39 | cladhaire | but I couldn't type on an eee pc to save my life |
| 17:41.42 | cladhaire | so i'm looking at the MSI Wind |
| 17:41.47 | Seerah | hola, hipjipp |
| 17:42.48 | cladhaire | I may just wait tho for the next round, dell seems to be having a new one coming out. |
| 17:43.52 | Tuller | they are in fact the hip new thing |
| 17:44.04 | cladhaire | well I already have a macbook pro |
| 17:44.11 | cladhaire | I just need something I don't mind taking with me to another country |
| 17:44.21 | cladhaire | travelling with this is a bit too much when its just a weekend to the continent. |
| 17:44.44 | hipjipp | witch one clad? 1st, 2nd or 3rd one? (in strength) |
| 17:45.04 | cladhaire | not sure what you're asking |
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| 17:45.34 | hipjipp | hang on |
| 17:46.21 | hipjipp | http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html scroll down a bit and see the three different MBP's.. |
| 17:46.55 | cladhaire | 15 2.4 |
| 17:47.03 | cladhaire | it was the middle option before |
| 17:47.06 | cladhaire | now they have a new one above it |
| 17:48.01 | hipjipp | nice |
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| 17:58.36 | Shirik | Okay so for the final test in differential equations, we got this take home test |
| 17:58.40 | Shirik | granted, I expected it to be harder and all |
| 17:58.54 | Shirik | but I have to be doing something wrong, because I'm on the second page solving the first problem and I'm only half done with it :/ |
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| 18:00.54 | MentalPower | damn... |
| 18:01.17 | Fisker- | Shirik ! |
| 18:01.19 | Fisker- | it's you! |
| 18:01.22 | Shirik | on top of that |
| 18:01.28 | Shirik | I have determined that I can't write the letter u anymore |
| 18:01.31 | Fisker- | i am so glad it is you |
| 18:01.39 | Shirik | Every time I try to write it, I write the greek letter mu instead... |
| 18:01.49 | Shirik | cursed signals and systems course... |
| 18:01.56 | Shirik | or EE courses |
| 18:03.26 | hipjipp | damn i hate this.. dont know if i dare have my computer on with this probable storm incoming.. :< |
| 18:03.52 | Shirik | psh |
| 18:03.55 | Shirik | come down to florida |
| 18:03.59 | Shirik | we don't fear storms |
| 18:04.08 | Shirik | you can't really, when they come every day at the same time like clockwork |
| 18:04.24 | Shirik | should storm in an hour to an hour and a half now |
| 18:04.56 | hipjipp | shirik: i live in sweden.. a bit hard to come down there in less than a day.. :P |
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| 18:05.33 | Mikk | live in better bits of sweden where electricty doesn't go poof when there's a wind gust |
| 18:05.40 | Mikk | i can't even remember the last time i lost power |
| 18:06.01 | hipjipp | mikk: it doesn't.. just that the lightning is strong today.. havn't heard it like this in years |
| 18:06.21 | Mikk | cool stuff. fried NICs is win! |
| 18:06.36 | hipjipp | heh.. >.> |
| 18:08.50 | Fisker- | Shirik my friend |
| 18:08.54 | Shirik | no |
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| 18:09.02 | Fisker- | don't abandon me :( |
| 18:09.28 | hipjipp | owned Fisker- |
| 18:09.31 | hipjipp | :P |
| 18:09.47 | Shirik | I need to do these inverse laplace transforms! |
| 18:09.53 | Fisker- | i need you |
| 18:10.39 | Shirik | convolve t^2/2 with u(t-2)e^(-5t) |
| 18:10.41 | Shirik | then we'll talk |
| 18:11.11 | zenzelezz | inverse lapdance transforms? |
| 18:11.22 | hipjipp | t^2/2 = t? |
| 18:11.35 | Shirik | uh, no |
| 18:11.46 | Shirik | power has a higher precedence than division :P |
| 18:11.50 | Shirik | (t^2)/2 |
| 18:12.30 | krka | t = 0 or t = 2 solves it! |
| 18:14.57 | MoonWolf | 0 doesn't count |
| 18:16.42 | hipjipp | ±0 then? :P |
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| 18:23.26 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/03/funny-pictures-i-not-has-a-pms/ o_O |
| 18:23.51 | Shirik | omg |
| 18:23.56 | Shirik | I just found out why these two pages are so hard.... |
| 18:24.00 | p3lim | anyone here know a good application to rip dvds? |
| 18:24.03 | Shirik | I made a mistake on the fifth line |
| 18:24.04 | batrick | Shirik: that's ez |
| 18:24.15 | batrick | ez!! |
| 18:24.20 | Shirik | omg no |
| 18:24.27 | Shirik | brain mush, cannot do convolution |
| 18:24.45 | Shirik | omg.... everything's multiplied by zero when I fix my mistake |
| 18:25.12 | batrick | sounds like u found another mistake |
| 18:25.26 | Shirik | no, that's correct |
| 18:25.37 | Shirik | these terms shouldn't be here, they should cancel each other out |
| 18:25.55 | dotblank | Is there a network library to clone usage of Sockets in wow? (like between players) |
| 18:25.59 | Shirik | batrick, help me. I can't write the lowercase "u" anymore :( |
| 18:26.04 | batrick | dotblank: no |
| 18:26.18 | batrick | uh... what? |
| 18:26.20 | batrick | lol? |
| 18:26.26 | Shirik | Every time I do it, I write mu! |
| 18:26.37 | Shirik | too many microfarads written :( |
| 18:26.39 | Fisker- | mu? |
| 18:26.40 | batrick | o... |
| 18:26.44 | zenzelezz | µ |
| 18:26.44 | dotblank | I think it could be possible to make one |
| 18:26.53 | batrick | my awesome physics teach called alpha fish |
| 18:27.18 | batrick | listening to him do a problem involving variables named fish was always funny |
| 18:27.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:28.34 | batrick | I can't remember how to do convolution anymore either |
| 18:28.55 | Pneumatus | holy crackers, is "next" in lua the same as "continue"? |
| 18:28.59 | batrick | no. |
| 18:29.08 | MentalPower | no |
| 18:29.12 | batrick | global != keyword |
| 18:29.13 | MentalPower | next is a function |
| 18:29.31 | MentalPower | there is no continue in Lua |
| 18:29.43 | Pneumatus | what does 'next' do then? |
| 18:30.08 | batrick | !lua a = {foo = "bar", bar = "foo"}; return next(a, nil) |
| 18:30.08 | batbot | batrick: > bar, foo |
| 18:30.16 | batrick | !lua next(a, "bar") |
| 18:30.16 | batbot | batrick: > foo, bar |
| 18:30.23 | batrick | that ^ |
| 18:30.30 | Pneumatus | ok |
| 18:30.43 | batrick | It's used for iterating over tables |
| 18:31.07 | Shirik | --> t = {a = "aa", b = "bb"}; return next(t, nil) |
| 18:31.07 | batbot | Shirik: > a, aa |
| 18:31.17 | Shirik | --> return next(t, "a") |
| 18:31.17 | batbot | Shirik: > b, bb |
| 18:31.17 | MentalPower | for k,v in pairs({} do next, {}, nil do ... end |
| 18:32.50 | MentalPower | for k,v in pairs({}) do ... end == for k,v in next, {}, nil do ... end |
| 18:33.05 | MentalPower | friggin keys buffer acting weird |
| 18:33.14 | batrick | a likely excuse |
| 18:33.20 | MentalPower | must have something to do with encoding three files at the same time |
| 18:33.33 | batrick | !lua pairs({}) |
| 18:33.33 | batbot | batrick: > function: 0x813f3c8, table: 0x8092c88, nil |
| 18:34.02 | MentalPower | !lua next |
| 18:34.02 | batbot | MentalPower: > function: 0x813f3c8 |
| 18:34.13 | MentalPower | :) |
| 18:34.19 | MentalPower | anyways, gotta go |
| 18:34.21 | batrick | in my intepretter, they are the same function |
| 18:34.25 | batrick | bye |
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| 18:35.24 | batrick | zzz |
| 18:35.30 | batrick | Shirik: entertain me |
| 18:35.51 | Shirik | go find a flaw in batbot |
| 18:35.57 | batrick | ... |
| 18:36.01 | batrick | batbot is flawless lol! |
| 18:36.08 | Shirik | yeah right :P |
| 18:36.22 | batrick | batbot is flawless; luatask isn't :P |
| 18:36.48 | batrick | which reminds me... |
| 18:36.51 | batrick | fix filum! |
| 18:37.50 | Shirik | need to do this test! |
| 18:37.58 | batrick | always an excuse! |
| 18:38.06 | batrick | ~kill shirik |
| 18:38.06 | purl | ACTION shoots a excited anti-neutrino gun at shirik |
| 18:38.22 | batrick | batbot: is shirik a slacker?! |
| 18:38.22 | batbot | batrick, My sources say no. |
| 18:38.25 | batrick | god |
| 18:38.28 | batrick | useless bot |
| 18:39.02 | hipjipp | see, it's not flawless.. :P |
| 18:39.14 | Shirik | make chess AI |
| 18:39.15 | Shirik | gogo |
| 18:39.20 | batrick | nah |
| 18:39.23 | batrick | i have work to do |
| 18:39.25 | batrick | or tax forms to od |
| 18:39.29 | batrick | I choose work |
| 18:39.54 | batrick | cuz I'm a contractor I have to file quarterly with federal and state |
| 18:39.58 | batrick | so shitty |
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| 18:41.23 | batrick | Shirik: I'll make my chess AI during history this semester |
| 18:41.25 | batrick | not to worry |
| 18:46.25 | zenzelezz | making a new Deep Blue? |
| 18:47.55 | Kaso | http://waffleimages.nwpshost.com/files/da/da41e5d0930c0908c361f3cdf009c50a62600bd5.jpg |
| 18:47.59 | Kaso | I love this picture |
| 18:48.29 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 18:50.13 | kd3 | o_O; [Weird] Truck carrying 66 feet long, 75,000 pound ICBM booster rocket overtuns. Local residents actually don't care. "As long as it ain't going off, we're OK," one said. "And if it did, it wouldn't matter anyway" |
| 18:52.21 | hipjipp | kd3: lol |
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| 19:00.55 | Bait | evening |
| 19:01.55 | Bait_ | I have a question to ask, is there any way of adding an delay to an automatic whisper? |
| 19:03.26 | Slakah | You would have to use OnUpdate |
| 19:05.19 | Bait_ | Cant sa im realy familliar with OnUpdate :< |
| 19:05.31 | Bait_ | say* |
| 19:06.34 | [dRaCo] | you could use some library to do that, like AceTimer or something |
| 19:07.25 | Slakah | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnUpdate |
| 19:10.24 | Slakah | So something like this http://www.pastey.net/93032-2c9c |
| 19:13.36 | Bait_ | Thanks for the links :D |
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| 19:22.49 | Gregity | Hi, New to this site and IRC in general. I have made a small change to an AuctioneerAdvanced file and wondering where I might post such a thing for future consideration by the Auctioneer Folks. |
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| 19:23.14 | MentalPower|ZZzz | #Norganna is <--- way |
| 19:23.41 | [dRaCo] | http://forums.norganna.org/ <-- or that |
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| 19:24.08 | Gregity | posted on #Norganna, no responses. Will try the latter. thanks |
| 19:24.30 | [dRaCo] | Gregity: this is IRC, just wait a while |
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| 19:27.44 | Shirik | lua> 1/6*(2-5/6) |
| 19:27.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.19444444444444 |
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| 19:29.48 | zenzelezz | wow, I fail again |
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| 19:34.31 | Anaral | I'm trying to clean up my addon folder. But WAU keeps reinstalling all the Rock libs, even though I don't have any addons that use them, anymore. |
| 19:36.43 | Fisker- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummingtonite <-rofl |
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| 19:43.27 | Jumpee | Any idea why date() would return a time that is minus 2 hours from my local time, even though the windows clock shows the proper time and the TimeZone is set correctly? |
| 19:44.31 | SmarkWoW | you sure its not returning server time or something? |
| 19:44.50 | Jumpee | no it's not server time |
| 19:45.18 | SmarkWoW | quick question though... whats the correct API event to use when you first enter the world after logging in (IE when all the addons do their thing in the chat box) |
| 19:45.54 | Jumpee | I use PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 19:46.17 | SmarkWoW | thats what i figured, ty |
| 19:46.32 | batrick | Jumpee: date is the date() function in the C std library |
| 19:47.05 | batrick | Perhaps someone hooked the date function |
| 19:47.14 | Jumpee | Yes I know what it does,or is supposed to do |
| 19:47.39 | batrick | check if someone hooked it |
| 19:47.42 | batrick | ? |
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| 19:47.46 | Jumpee | I disables ALL the mods by renaming INterface, cache and WTF files and it still does it |
| 19:48.12 | Kirov | does what? |
| 19:48.25 | batrick | 13:43:27 < Jumpee> Any idea why date() would return a time that is minus 2 hours from my local time, even though the windows clock shows the proper time and the TimeZone is set correctly? |
| 19:48.34 | Jumpee | shows local time as minus 2 hours from actual local time |
| 19:49.28 | Kirov | hmm |
| 19:49.36 | Jumpee | hmmm indeed |
| 19:49.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn|Away: ping |
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| 19:52.02 | Jumpee | I wonder if it is a BIOS thing |
| 19:54.22 | batrick | is TimeZone supposed to be os.setlocale? |
| 19:54.35 | batrick | err |
| 19:54.38 | batrick | dumb question |
| 19:54.39 | Jumpee | no idea |
| 19:54.44 | cladhaire | Mery: You are the devil. |
| 19:56.40 | Jumpee | How long did you patch download take for you that are beta testers? |
| 19:56.47 | Jumpee | you = the |
| 20:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 20:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering we're up to 4 patches |
| 20:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It kinda varies |
| 20:02.02 | Mery | cladhaire: :) |
| 20:02.14 | cladhaire | its so freaking well done |
| 20:02.19 | cladhaire | bravo! |
| 20:02.25 | Mery | thank you |
| 20:02.32 | cladhaire | and fun, damn youy |
| 20:03.05 | Mery | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10015-Zap-A-Gnome.html |
| 20:03.39 | Kirov | lol |
| 20:04.04 | cladhaire | download it, seriously |
| 20:04.29 | End | ah |
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| 20:07.59 | End | Wow, that's cool |
| 20:08.05 | End | Not just cool |
| 20:08.08 | End | BUT AWESOME. |
| 20:09.08 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 20:09.11 | cladhaire | seriously |
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| 20:14.46 | End | I'm not generally a fan of whack a mole, er..gnome, but that's very well polished, and fun and those DAMN GOBLINS |
| 20:14.47 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.16 | cladhaire | so fun |
| 20:17.24 | End | damn, my guildies always tip me for too much |
| 20:18.08 | SmarkWoW | Quick quetion... I keep getting the following error: ..\AddOns\PlayerTotals\PlayerTotals.lua line 10: attempt to index local 'self' (a nil value) |
| 20:18.13 | SmarkWoW | line 10 is: self:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_LOGIN"); |
| 20:18.17 | cladhaire | woot |
| 20:18.23 | SmarkWoW | (new to making addons, not programming though) |
| 20:18.24 | cladhaire | i almost beat slouken! |
| 20:18.30 | End | I haven't :( |
| 20:18.31 | End | I suck |
| 20:18.39 | End | SmarkWoW: you might want to paste some code on pastey |
| 20:18.46 | End | I can tell you self doesn't exist though |
| 20:19.24 | p3lim | very fun addon indeed, seems designed pretty good too |
| 20:19.51 | SmarkWoW | check out http://files.spectralcoding.com/wow/PlayerTotals/ |
| 20:19.57 | End | it seems very well polished |
| 20:20.18 | Mery | my high atm is 16765 but well i didn't play many rounds after i changed the last values - just made sure slouken was beatable |
| 20:20.29 | End | SmarkWoW: you need to pass self when you call your onload function |
| 20:20.46 | End | self is only implicit with the colon notation |
| 20:21.03 | SmarkWoW | PlayerTotals_OnLoad(self); in the OnLoad in the XML file right? |
| 20:21.20 | End | that should do it I think |
| 20:21.33 | SmarkWoW | yup, no more errors.. thanks |
| 20:21.38 | End | np :) |
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| 20:26.08 | Kirov | ok, wtf, why is every combat log event passing bit.band(destFlag, COMBAT_FILTER_ME) == COMBAT_FILTER_ME |
| 20:27.00 | cladhaire | Mery: only send to guild when in a guild imo |
| 20:27.17 | p3lim | random question: what is the 16:9 resolution of ?x480? |
| 20:27.43 | Pneumatus | is there an api function to open the loot window of the targetted mob? |
| 20:27.47 | SmarkWoW | 16/9 = x/4 you figure it out |
| 20:27.55 | End | since when do people call it 16:9? o_O |
| 20:27.57 | SmarkWoW | x/480 |
| 20:28.03 | Mery | cladhaire: what does it do if your not? (since the char i used to test mostly wasn't) |
| 20:28.09 | cladhaire | "You are not in a guild" |
| 20:28.28 | Kirov | http://wowui.pastey.net/93034 - what am I doing wrong? |
| 20:28.29 | cladhaire | no big deal obviously |
| 20:28.42 | Mery | hmm interesting... maybe he was then (my brothers account used for testing) |
| 20:28.51 | p3lim | 854? :s |
| 20:28.54 | p3lim | odd number |
| 20:29.08 | Kirov | !lua 480 / 9 * 16 |
| 20:29.08 | batbot | Kirov: > 853.33333333333 |
| 20:29.35 | Kirov | !lua 480 / 10 * 16 |
| 20:29.35 | batbot | Kirov: > 768 |
| 20:29.42 | SmarkWoW | End, quick question again (old link works)... [string "PT_MainFrame:OnLoad"] line 1: attempt to call global 'PlayerTotals_OnLoad' (a nil value) |
| 20:29.51 | Kirov | (more usual res for computer monitors, which are usually 16:10) |
| 20:29.52 | p3lim | the video is in 16:9 not 16:10 |
| 20:30.39 | End | Are you including the lua file before the xml file? |
| 20:30.51 | SmarkWoW | yeah, in the toc |
| 20:31.18 | End | yeah, I'm stupid, forgot the entire thing was up there :P |
| 20:32.00 | End | I dunno, there could be a syntax error I'm not seeing. did you look at FrameXML.log? |
| 20:32.09 | SmarkWoW | i'll check |
| 20:32.10 | Kirov | Anyone familiar with combat log stuff around? |
| 20:32.47 | SmarkWoW | 8/3 13:23:50.972 Interface\AddOns\PlayerTotals\PlayerTotals.lua:17: 'then' expected near '=' |
| 20:33.06 | End | that'd be it |
| 20:33.09 | SmarkWoW | ah, lemme fix that |
| 20:33.15 | SmarkWoW | used = instead of == |
| 20:33.50 | SmarkWoW | ok, works perfect |
| 20:34.13 | SmarkWoW | is there an easier way to toggle a frame display then the way im doing it? |
| 20:34.13 | SmarkWoW | IE FrameName:Toggle(); or something |
| 20:34.19 | End | no, but you could do : |
| 20:34.20 | End | er |
| 20:34.32 | End | no, but you could do :IsShown() to see if you should show or hide |
| 20:34.42 | SmarkWoW | alright, i'll use that then, ty |
| 20:34.52 | p3lim | brb |
| 20:35.25 | Mery | hope that fixes it, can't test atm |
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| 20:38.14 | |Jelly| | I love how when my computer pops up, telling me that updates are ready to install I just resign myself to having my computer reboot it's self later on. *sigh* |
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| 20:46.43 | Kirov | no one in to combat log stuff, eh? |
| 20:48.12 | End | I've dicked around with it a little, but I doubt I could tell you anything useful |
| 20:50.07 | foxlit | Kirov: anything in particular you're interested in? |
| 20:50.40 | foxlit | if not bit.band( destFlags, COMBATLOG_FILTER_ME ) == COMBATLOG_FILTER_ME then |
| 20:50.43 | foxlit | Lua is not C. |
| 20:51.09 | foxlit | nor does that line quite make sense |
| 20:51.44 | SmarkWoW | someone please take a look at http://files.spectralcoding.com/wow/PlayerTotals/PlayerTotals.lua and tell me why the PT_Slash_Command function does not work? its being triggered, but not showing/hiding the frame |
| 20:51.57 | SmarkWoW | right forgot semicolons |
| 20:52.10 | End | they don't actually return true or false |
| 20:52.17 | End | it's 1 or nil usually |
| 20:52.22 | End | just do if blah:IsShown() then |
| 20:52.28 | SmarkWoW | and if not? |
| 20:52.31 | foxlit | is the frame protected? |
| 20:52.42 | SmarkWoW | i dont know, but prolly not |
| 20:53.04 | Kaso | if blah:IsShown() then --whatever else --whateverelse end |
| 20:53.21 | Kaso | or just if not blah:IsShown() then if you like |
| 20:53.41 | End | yeah, what Kaso said |
| 20:54.17 | SmarkWoW | ty, works |
| 20:54.21 | Kaso | the 1/nil thing irritates me. damn historical usage |
| 20:54.46 | SmarkWoW | well does lua recognise nil = 0 or no? |
| 20:54.52 | Kaso | nope |
| 20:54.58 | SmarkWoW | fail, ah well |
| 20:54.59 | Kaso | 0 is true (sorta) |
| 20:55.25 | Arrowmaster | lua> 0 |
| 20:55.26 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 0 |
| 20:55.27 | NightHawkTheSane | everything but nil and false evaluate to boolean true, essentially |
| 20:55.37 | End | lua> not 0 |
| 20:55.38 | lua_bot | End: false |
| 20:55.49 | Arrowmaster | lua> not not 0 |
| 20:55.50 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: true |
| 20:56.00 | End | lua> not not not 0 |
| 20:56.01 | lua_bot | End: false |
| 20:56.02 | Arrowmaster | its not sorta, it really is true |
| 20:56.04 | End | ok, I'm done being silly |
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| 20:59.18 | SmarkWoW | where a good place to learn about making the UI part of an addon? WoWWiki doesnt show a whole lot on XML |
| 20:59.28 | Kaso | ~faraframes |
| 20:59.28 | purl | faraframes is a rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ |
| 20:59.32 | Kaso | thats a good start ^ |
| 20:59.38 | Kaso | but its a little old nowadays |
| 21:00.29 | SmarkWoW | ty |
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| 21:02.52 | Kaso | Also you can check out the tutorials in the wow interface tool thing |
| 21:02.54 | Kaso | ~framexml |
| 21:02.55 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
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| 21:14.53 | tuxeh | What about frame creation without XML |
| 21:15.06 | tuxeh | I posted a thread on wowinterface, but people seemed to think I wanted to use XML :-P |
| 21:15.32 | tuxeh | Or pointed me in the direction of the widget reference, but that doesn't explain what method calls have to be made to make things work :-| |
| 21:16.12 | Kaso | Well it does sorta.. |
| 21:16.40 | Kaso | There isnt really a definitive tutorial i know of for lua frames |
| 21:17.15 | tuxeh | I tried looking through the xml code for different addons, and then find the equivalent method for each parameter they use in their frame |
| 21:17.24 | tuxeh | I couldn't find all of the corresponding methods though |
| 21:17.25 | tuxeh | :-P |
| 21:17.48 | Kaso | However if you know about XML Frame creation then its just a matter of creating the frame then calling the various widget apis to set attributes to the frame as you would have defined in xml |
| 21:18.14 | Kaso | well, what in particular were you having trouble with? |
| 21:20.20 | tuxeh | Getting a frame to move, and making it look presentable :-P |
| 21:21.20 | tuxeh | Plus adding a control\widget to a frame, such as a button and so on. However, I must admit, I am still really new to all of this so I have probably missed something essential :-P |
| 21:21.28 | Kaso | for setting anchors for frames you use SetPoint |
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| 21:23.32 | Kaso | to add a child to a frame simple create a new frame with the parent set to your original frame |
| 21:23.40 | Mery | a button is also a frame, so you'd create another frame of the type button and parent it to the frame you want the button "in": CreateFrame("BUTTON", name, parent, inherit) |
| 21:23.51 | Kaso | To add regions you can use frame:CreateTexture() frame:CreateFontString() etc |
| 21:24.35 | tuxeh | Ah nice |
| 21:25.00 | tuxeh | And the position of the button, for example, is relative to the frame, or relative to the rendered screen? |
| 21:25.16 | Kaso | SetPoint |
| 21:25.20 | SmarkWoW | As far as anchor points whats the easiest way to anchor a FontString to the center of the top of a frame? |
| 21:25.42 | Mery | "TOP", frame, "TOP" |
| 21:26.44 | SmarkWoW | elaborate a bit more, I dont quite understand |
| 21:27.08 | Mery | fontstring:SetPoint("TOP", frame, "TOP") |
| 21:27.13 | Kaso | http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetPoint |
| 21:27.22 | SmarkWoW | your not supposed to do it in XMl? |
| 21:27.23 | SmarkWoW | XML* |
| 21:27.41 | Kaso | oh you're working in xml? |
| 21:27.51 | SmarkWoW | yeah, working on laying out my UI |
| 21:28.30 | Kaso | You'd create your FontString then within its tags you'd have an <Anchors> section |
| 21:28.40 | SmarkWoW | have that |
| 21:29.25 | Mery | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/93037 |
| 21:29.33 | Kaso | <Anchor point="TOP" relativeTo="$parent" relativePoint="TOP"/> |
| 21:29.41 | Kaso | something like that |
| 21:30.04 | Kaso | Mery's would work too |
| 21:30.10 | SmarkWoW | <Anchor point="TOP"> from the Pastey worked great |
| 21:30.55 | Mery | well if you don't want to anchor it to the parent frame you'd need to insert the other stuff.. |
| 21:31.09 | Mery | (or another to another point) |
| 21:31.56 | SmarkWoW | As far as rounding edges, is that hard to do? |
| 21:32.07 | SmarkWoW | corners i mean |
| 21:32.18 | Kaso | not hugely |
| 21:32.32 | Kaso | i suggest you check out the xml code for the tooltip |
| 21:32.45 | Rabbitbunny | How about in lua? |
| 21:32.48 | SmarkWoW | hmm, ok |
| 21:33.11 | Kaso | you can set the tooltip rounded corners textures in lua the same as how you would in xml |
| 21:33.47 | Kaso | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/GameTooltipTemplate.xml |
| 21:33.51 | Kaso | Right at the top there |
| 21:34.33 | Mery | it's just a graphic that gets split and the middle parts streched iirc |
| 21:34.36 | Kaso | you'd just have to do some tweaking to make it use Frame:SetBackdrop(backdropTbl) |
| 21:34.57 | SmarkWoW | edgeFile="Interface\Tooltips\UI-Tooltip-Border"? |
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| 21:35.32 | Kaso | yah, thats the rounded borders texture as used on tooltips |
| 21:35.35 | Mery | hmm tilesize implies more that it isn't streched but repeated... well whatever |
| 21:37.00 | SmarkWoW | what if I dont want the texture but just the rounded edge? I have the background greyed and dont need the actual edge textures, just the rounded effect |
| 21:37.38 | Mery | then you'd need to create your own texture with just runded corners i guess |
| 21:37.45 | SmarkWoW | Please, forgive all the nub questions, very new to XML |
| 21:40.37 | Mery | oh right now i remember (at least a little)... |
| 21:41.45 | SmarkWoW | hmm? |
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| 21:41.51 | Mery | http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9199/uitooltipbordergu1.gif |
| 21:42.36 | Fisker- | THIS IS BORDERING ON MADNESS |
| 21:42.54 | Mery | the white is usually transparent |
| 21:43.34 | Mery | so you'd need to create a borderfile like this with just rounded corners and maybe trick a little to get the rest grey |
| 21:43.46 | Mery | but if your frame has a fixed size |
| 21:43.55 | SmarkWoW | indeed it does |
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| 21:44.09 | Mery | i'd suggest to just create 1 background texture to cover the whole frame |
| 21:44.19 | Mery | in photoshop with rounded edges |
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| 21:44.42 | Mery | or wharever program |
| 21:45.26 | Mery | save it as tga (width, height must be a power of 2), create a texture and load it as background |
| 21:46.01 | clad|sleep | hint: use the chat bubble border :P |
| 21:46.05 | clad|sleep | as an edgefile |
| 21:46.08 | clad|sleep | and whatever you want as the bgfile |
| 21:46.34 | SmarkWoW | ChatFrameBorder.blp |
| 21:48.22 | Kaso | Ah yes the chatbubble is a good edgefile |
| 21:48.34 | Mery | ChatBubble-Backdrop.blp http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7917/chatbubblebackdropqe5.gif |
| 21:49.20 | Mery | the original has a transparent bg |
| 21:49.56 | clad|sleep | you can use http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png to convert it if necessary |
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| 21:50.15 | Tem | Is there a way to tell apple's updater to fuck off and stop asking me to install safari? |
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| 21:50.49 | Cairenn | if you find out how, tell me too, please? |
| 21:51.03 | clad|sleep | can't you uninstall the apple updateR? |
| 21:51.13 | Rabbitbunny | So.. I put the edge in "BORDER" layer and the bg in "BACKGORUND"? Will that let me use an alpha slider in my config? |
| 21:51.13 | Tem | I need it for itunes? |
| 21:51.16 | Cairenn | then how do you update itunes? |
| 21:51.27 | clad|sleep | uhh i dunno |
| 21:51.42 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:51.58 | NightHawkTheSane | if you just use a mac, its not nearly as annoying ;) |
| 21:52.17 | Tem | NightHawkTheSane, I could also choose to burn my machine in a fire, but ID on't |
| 21:52.25 | Tem | s/ID o/I do/ |
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| 21:54.17 | Mery | ok without apple software updater my itues still told me that there is a new version, but instead of downloading it in itues send me to the download page on apple.com |
| 21:54.58 | amro | ~epic fail Apple |
| 21:54.59 | purl | Apple, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Apple, you are that epic failure. |
| 21:55.44 | Tem | supposedly, there's an option to tell it to not attempt to install safari |
| 21:55.56 | Tem | but I can't get to the options atm because I'm downloading an itunes update |
| 21:56.07 | NeoTron | Safari is an IMPORTANT SECURITY UPDATE |
| 21:56.08 | NeoTron | err |
| 21:56.33 | Tem | NeoTron, I'm on windows. I use firefox. Safari can burn in hell for all I care. |
| 21:56.49 | NeoTron | so |
| 21:56.51 | NeoTron | my server is gone |
| 21:56.55 | NeoTron | not like it's offline |
| 21:56.58 | NeoTron | it's not in the list |
| 21:57.07 | End | which list? |
| 21:57.12 | NeoTron | the wow realm list |
| 21:57.14 | End | the in game connect list? |
| 21:57.14 | NightHawkTheSane | im going to gues, the server list |
| 21:57.29 | NeoTron | correct |
| 21:57.37 | Fisker- | apple = failapple is more like it |
| 21:57.39 | amro | NeoTron: check alphabetically, sometimes the character count doesn't load |
| 21:57.51 | bcoca | check realm status page on official wow site |
| 21:57.53 | NeoTron | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ |
| 21:57.56 | NeoTron | it's there without a status |
| 21:58.00 | NeoTron | so I guess it's REALLY gone |
| 21:58.00 | bcoca | that is it |
| 21:58.03 | amro | stolen |
| 21:58.40 | NeoTron | 18 servers gone |
| 21:59.12 | bcoca | sounds like a whole rack went down, most likely loss of power or router |
| 21:59.30 | NeoTron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557151278&sid=1 |
| 21:59.42 | NeoTron | I suspect they are having some database issues or so |
| 22:01.33 | Fisker- | moar |
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| 22:02.02 | NeoTron | wut? |
| 22:03.14 | NeoTron | good thing I was ui hacking which I can do on any server |
| 22:03.27 | Fisker- | blargh |
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| 22:20.38 | p3lim | Anyone gotten a key yet? |
| 22:20.50 | Cairenn | :( |
| 22:21.09 | |Jelly| | no |
| 22:21.17 | p3lim | Hm ok |
| 22:21.24 | cbreak | blizzard people don't work during weekdays, even less during weekends. |
| 22:21.36 | Cairenn | I guess at this point we are saying "hopefully this coming friday" |
| 22:21.42 | p3lim | Well, never know |
| 22:21.44 | |Jelly| | :-\ |
| 22:21.49 | Cairenn | cbreak: lol, that's what you think :p |
| 22:23.31 | |Jelly| | So they send them out on Mondays? |
| 22:23.36 | |Jelly| | errm Fridays ? |
| 22:23.45 | Cairenn | thursday night/friday |
| 22:23.51 | |Jelly| | :-\ |
| 22:24.14 | |Jelly| | yay ... another week |
| 22:24.22 | Cairenn | sorry guys |
| 22:24.33 | |Jelly| | It's not your fault. |
| 22:25.12 | |Jelly| | Just frustrating how "grey" (so to speak) Blizzard is in regards to when they're going to do something. |
| 22:26.37 | Mery | hey cairenn, you said " We are considering mods in the ROFL category on a case by case basis for entry into the beta key giveaway. " how'd I find out if my mod qualifys for an entry? |
| 22:26.51 | Cairenn | you talk to me, I look at it and decide |
| 22:26.56 | End | I'm pretty sure yours would, Mery |
| 22:27.01 | Cairenn | link? |
| 22:27.03 | End | because yours is awesome |
| 22:27.25 | Mery | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10015-Zap-A-Gnome.html |
| 22:27.26 | Cairenn | oh |
| 22:27.31 | Cairenn | zap a gnome? |
| 22:27.33 | Cairenn | fuck yes |
| 22:27.36 | cbreak | I don't think Lich King will break as many addons as BC. Secure state stuff was quite a big change. |
| 22:27.38 | End | See! |
| 22:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 22:28.00 | Cairenn | Mery: you US or EU? |
| 22:28.05 | End | cbreak: aren't they changing that stuff around though? |
| 22:28.13 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 22:28.17 | Mery | playing in US living in EU |
| 22:28.21 | End | I thought they were redoing the secure state header stuff to make it easier to deal with |
| 22:28.41 | End | they probably being slouken of course |
| 22:28.46 | Cairenn | Mery: where you are living I don't care, just need to know which you are playing on ... so you need a US key, correct? |
| 22:28.55 | Mery | yes |
| 22:29.01 | cbreak | don't know, blizzard never says anything in the interface forum |
| 22:29.18 | End | Not never. |
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| 22:29.32 | cbreak | once a month a blue post maybe :) |
| 22:29.34 | End | it takes a while for beta stuff to filter down though, that's true |
| 22:30.09 | Cairenn | mery, you're entered, if you click on the signup button now you should see your ticket |
| 22:30.32 | Mery | Cairenn: Thank you. |
| 22:30.37 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:31.15 | Cairenn | cbreak: what are you talking about? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&sid=1 |
| 22:31.33 | sacarasc | Cairenn: i have an idea for a WotLK addon, but never done an addon before... can I get a key to test it out on there? |
| 22:31.34 | cbreak | http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=11098&sid=1 |
| 22:31.34 | End | See, I was right! |
| 22:31.34 | sacarasc | ;p |
| 22:31.48 | End | * The SecureStateHeader has been replaced by a new secure template which allows for a more natural specification of rules in lua rather than via complex state tables. More details will be forthcoming. !!! |
| 22:31.57 | End | of course, the lack of details doesn't help |
| 22:32.37 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: securestate headers are changing, also the no global this event arg# will kill a lot of addons until updated |
| 22:32.44 | cbreak | sounds good though :) |
| 22:32.49 | Cairenn | sacarasc: has to be an addon that is already working, sorry |
| 22:32.53 | cbreak | the no-globals stuff is ancient |
| 22:32.59 | cbreak | most addons are probably already changed |
| 22:33.08 | Tem | sacarasc, what's the idea? |
| 22:33.13 | cbreak | (I remember it being mentioned in the docs some time ago already) |
| 22:33.14 | End | the no-globals is pretty easy to deal with |
| 22:33.22 | sacarasc | PW:S countdown |
| 22:33.34 | Tem | sacarasc, that info isn't in the combat log yet |
| 22:33.45 | Tem | no globals, End? |
| 22:33.50 | sacarasc | the changelog on wowwiki said it was |
| 22:33.53 | Tem | this, argX etc? |
| 22:34.04 | End | yeah, you can rewrite your code to work without it pretty easily |
| 22:34.07 | Drundia | hmmm, old SecureStateHeader is dead? :( |
| 22:34.14 | Tem | I haven't used them in over a year myself |
| 22:34.16 | Arrowmaster | i can think of a few things that actually break without the globals |
| 22:34.16 | End | making sure you got all of them is the only problem ;-p |
| 22:34.20 | End | yeah |
| 22:34.21 | Tem | and I've been trying to tell people to get rid of the |
| 22:34.25 | End | I stopped using them a while ago too |
| 22:34.26 | Tem | m |
| 22:34.34 | Tem | anyway, that's great news :) |
| 22:34.40 | End | although it's possible I might have some old legacy code laying around |
| 22:34.52 | Arrowmaster | ChatThrottleLib needs updated to not use global this |
| 22:35.01 | Tem | I hope we can convince slouken to add event,... = GetCurrentEvent() |
| 22:35.19 | End | for devtools? |
| 22:35.23 | End | or some other need? |
| 22:35.27 | Tem | devtools |
| 22:35.30 | End | yeah |
| 22:35.36 | Tem | I <3 those # in my chat lines |
| 22:35.39 | SmarkWoW | whats the best way to put a square of color inside a frame? IE I want to make the top 20 pixels of a frame Red... I figure the only way to do it is to put a red frame inside that frame |
| 22:35.50 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.02 | cbreak | a texture could do that |
| 22:36.16 | Tem | local t = frame:CreateTexture("ARTWORK",textureName) |
| 22:36.28 | Tem | t:SetPoint("TOPLEFT") |
| 22:36.31 | SmarkWoW | in XML |
| 22:36.32 | Tem | t:SetPoint("TOPRIGHT") |
| 22:36.38 | Tem | t:SetHeight(20) |
| 22:36.38 | Arrowmaster | Tem: would be better to have a function that returned everything passed to the script handler currently running |
| 22:36.41 | cbreak | you can make textures in XML too |
| 22:36.41 | Drundia | at least i hope more natural specification will end up being sufficiently natural |
| 22:36.56 | Tem | t:SetTexture(1,0,0,1) |
| 22:37.14 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.23 | Tem | Arrowmaster, maybe. Depends on the complexity of it |
| 22:38.28 | End | Iriel: are they actually in beta yet? |
| 22:38.35 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: do you get getting a function that returned all the args passed to the currently running script handler would be possible? |
| 22:39.24 | cbreak | why a function? they get passed to the script handler, right? |
| 22:39.37 | Tem | what if you _aren't_ that script handler? |
| 22:39.37 | Drundia | but script handlers don't pass them often |
| 22:39.46 | Drundia | for example chat filters |
| 22:39.51 | Drundia | they only get message |
| 22:40.12 | Rabbitbunny | http://pastebin.com/m7cfac129 I'm having problems with frames. The border doesn't show up, I can't move it, on login it's shown(bad), and to top it off the title text isn't there. Hints? |
| 22:40.32 | Arrowmaster | or for example if i wanted to hook ChatFrame#:AddMessage() to add timestamps to only certain events |
| 22:40.37 | Iriel | End: yes -- there are still some rough edges |
| 22:40.40 | Arrowmaster | which is something i actually want to do |
| 22:40.49 | End | cool, now I'm curious |
| 22:41.00 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: I recall asking slouken for that and I think he said it was too difficult |
| 22:41.14 | Drundia | Arrowmaster, there are color ids i think |
| 22:41.34 | Arrowmaster | color ids arent really enough |
| 22:41.49 | cbreak | you could hook it at a lower level. |
| 22:41.57 | Arrowmaster | no i cant |
| 22:41.59 | cbreak | directly in the handler maybe. |
| 22:42.00 | Iriel | I have some ideas on how to figure some of it out |
| 22:42.01 | Arrowmaster | trust me ive tried |
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| 22:42.20 | Iriel | RegisterAllEvents helps, the trick is figuring out what order the system and your frames event handlers are being called |
| 22:42.43 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: they get called in order of registration |
| 22:42.58 | Arrowmaster | you should see the giant ass hack in InstantHealth |
| 22:43.10 | Iriel | Yes, but we dont know if someone else changes the order after we start running |
| 22:43.21 | Arrowmaster | where it registers 3 different frames for CLEU |
| 22:44.00 | Arrowmaster | where the 1st one registers the 3rd one, and the 3rd one unregisters itself on run |
| 22:44.22 | Tem | ~seen zootfizzle |
| 22:44.23 | purl | zootfizzle <i=c64a263b@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Zooty-Zoot-Zoot> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 55d 35m 27s ago, saying: 'Hey ScytheBlade1, any sign of your friend?'. |
| 22:44.42 | sylvanaar | i missed the start of this conversation |
| 22:44.47 | sylvanaar | but, it sounds interesting |
| 22:44.56 | Shirik|AFK | l2bnc |
| 22:45.26 | Mery | Rabbitbunny: http://pastebin.com/m136b9298 |
| 22:45.36 | SmarkWoW | wheres a good place to find a list of tabs that can go inside the <Texture></Texture> tags? |
| 22:45.39 | SmarkWoW | tags* |
| 22:46.01 | Shirik|AFK | sylvanaar: Proxy for IRC that stays on even when you leave, logging everything that you miss and then transmitting it to you when you get back on (among other things) |
| 22:46.15 | sylvanaar | right, well, that doesnt help me now |
| 22:46.20 | Shirik|AFK | :P |
| 22:46.22 | Tem | <frame> |
| 22:46.25 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.29 | Shirik|AFK | in a few hours you can look up the logs from purl :D |
| 22:46.29 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.43 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface#Layers_and_Textures maybe |
| 22:46.55 | Mery | <layers><layer> |
| 22:47.39 | SmarkWoW | looking for the tags that specify the Texture attributes (height, width, color, alpha, etc) |
| 22:47.56 | Tem | Mery, good catch |
| 22:48.04 | Tem | it's been a very long time since I've done xml |
| 22:48.20 | Tem | SmarkWoW, hight/width are done the same way as with any Region |
| 22:48.20 | Mery | same only looked at one to help somebody here today |
| 22:48.22 | Tem | <Size> |
| 22:48.40 | Tem | <Color> |
| 22:48.43 | SmarkWoW | ah, ok ty... and offset does the position? |
| 22:48.50 | Tem | <Anchors> |
| 22:48.59 | Tem | the same as every other Region |
| 22:50.47 | Tem | SmarkWoW, if your intention is to have the texture be the same width as the frame, use anchors to achieve that |
| 22:50.59 | Tem | Relative Sizing by using multiple anchors is very powerful in wow |
| 22:51.02 | Tem | use it! |
| 22:52.27 | SmarkWoW | will do |
| 22:52.55 | SmarkWoW | all this should go in the Background layer right? |
| 22:53.51 | Sixen | lol |
| 22:54.06 | Sixen | Has anyone else gotten reported for spamming when replying to a large amount of threads helping people? |
| 22:54.19 | End | No |
| 22:54.23 | End | but I don't help people! |
| 22:54.26 | Sixen | Heh |
| 22:55.27 | Rabbitbunny | Mery: Thanks! |
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| 22:59.56 | Kirov | !lua not true == true |
| 22:59.56 | batbot | Kirov: > false |
| 23:00.02 | Kirov | !lua true == false |
| 23:00.02 | batbot | Kirov: > false |
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| 23:00.51 | Kirov | !lua not true == true == false |
| 23:00.51 | batbot | Kirov: > true |
| 23:01.38 | Kaso | whats with the random boolean crap? |
| 23:01.49 | Corrodias | random booleans > Kaso |
| 23:02.02 | Kirov | double checking my lua |
| 23:02.14 | End | !lua not not not not not 0 |
| 23:02.14 | batbot | End: > false |
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| 23:03.02 | tuxeh | What's the normal button texture (set via SetNormalTexture(tex)) ? I've been googling, but I can't find it :) |
| 23:03.16 | Kirov | ping foxlit |
| 23:03.28 | foxlit | Kirov: pong? |
| 23:03.40 | Kirov | foxlit - what did you mean Lua is not C? |
| 23:04.00 | foxlit | I misread slightly due to the construction of your if |
| 23:04.09 | foxlit | It looked like "not 0" |
| 23:04.12 | Kirov | double negative |
| 23:04.14 | Kirov | yeah |
| 23:04.54 | SmarkWoW | how do you specify a Zorder for an FontString? |
| 23:05.01 | foxlit | The not C comment was about 0 being true in Lua, but false in C |
| 23:05.10 | foxlit | Smark: you don't |
| 23:05.14 | Kirov | SmarkWoW - with in the same layer, you cannot consistently |
| 23:05.15 | foxlit | You can put it in a specific layer |
| 23:05.26 | foxlit | But you're not supposed to overlay them within a single layer, ever |
| 23:05.44 | Mery | tuxeh: Interface\\BUttons\\UI-Panel-Button-Up ? but that's just the texture file i think you need to pass a complete texture |
| 23:05.45 | Kaso | lua used C style booleans before 5.0 didnt it? |
| 23:05.47 | foxlit | Kirov: so what was the code; what did you want it to do; and what wasn't it doing? |
| 23:05.59 | foxlit | Kaso: nil and 1 vs 0 and 1 |
| 23:06.05 | Mery | Buttons* |
| 23:06.06 | Kirov | foxlit - filter out to only show things happening to the player |
| 23:06.24 | foxlit | As in, only the player character? |
| 23:06.39 | Kirov | Yes |
| 23:06.44 | Kirov | Only to self. |
| 23:06.44 | foxlit | not pets, guardians, and all that mess? |
| 23:06.47 | Kaso | well the nil/1 is just a random historical thing that wow does isnt it? I mean lua has a full blown boolean variables |
| 23:06.49 | Kirov | correct |
| 23:06.52 | tuxeh | Mery: Thanks, now I just need to figure out how to get the SetText() to display on top of the texture :-P |
| 23:07.14 | foxlit | Kirov: I've got a way easier solution for you: check if srcGUID/dstGUID are equal to the player's GUID |
| 23:07.34 | Kirov | foxlit - I still care about things like damage done to them. |
| 23:07.44 | Kirov | including fall damage. |
| 23:07.50 | foxlit | them being pets and guardians? |
| 23:07.51 | cbreak | tuxeh: can't you use several layers? |
| 23:07.53 | Kirov | I don't care about the source, only the dest |
| 23:08.03 | Mery | tuxeh: maybe put the texture into backgorund.. :CreateTexture(name, "BACKGROUND") |
| 23:10.17 | foxlit | Kirov: falling is ENVIRONMENTAL_DAMAGE, srcGUID being the player |
| 23:10.22 | foxlit | or not |
| 23:10.27 | foxlit | it's dstGUID that's the player :) |
| 23:10.42 | Corrodias | now that's a good breakfast. a nice gulp of V8 and half a block of cheese |
| 23:10.54 | tuxeh | Mery: Ah ok, I thought I was supposed to use Button:SetNormalTexture and so forth .. or can I perhaps pass it the texture object? |
| 23:11.04 | Kirov | the problem I'm having is that code is resulting in all player actions, not just mine, going through. |
| 23:11.19 | foxlit | link your code again :) |
| 23:11.59 | Mery | tuxeh: hmm should be able to accept a texture object, since the blizzard buttons return one |
| 23:12.05 | Kirov | http://wowui.pastey.net/93034 |
| 23:13.06 | Kirov | damn it, where do people duel these days? |
| 23:13.48 | Shirik|AFK | silvermoon |
| 23:13.56 | Shirik|AFK | usually when about level 5 |
| 23:14.33 | Corrodias | always used to be outside orgrimmar when i played... but that was horde-side |
| 23:14.41 | Corrodias | it has changed, eh |
| 23:14.45 | Kirov | Ironforge was empty |
| 23:15.01 | Corrodias | the quote shall go down in history |
| 23:15.05 | Corrodias | "<Kirov> Ironforge was empty" |
| 23:15.16 | foxlit | Kirov: and that dumps too many events for you? |
| 23:15.45 | Kirov | I was getting events from other people |
| 23:15.59 | Kirov | But now I can't find anyone falling or dueling |
| 23:16.20 | Tenchworks | We interupt this chat discussion for an Important Message: Please vote on http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/468-add-the-reports-of-the-cia-bot-that-is-in-curseforge/ That is all.... |
| 23:16.27 | Rabbitbunny | Hey, that'd be a cool addon. |
| 23:16.42 | Tenchworks | no back to silently sitting in the background for me |
| 23:16.45 | Tenchworks | *now |
| 23:16.50 | Rabbitbunny | Grab all those events and come up with win odd, start betting on twink fights. |
| 23:17.11 | Mery | tuxeh: but blizzard seems to only use texture objects to be able to SetTexCoord - so i don't know why your text is behind the texture at all |
| 23:17.13 | Kirov | cia bot? |
| 23:17.30 | Tenchworks | curseforge has a new bot for thier updates |
| 23:17.31 | Corrodias | Tenchworks: i don't understand what i'm looking at. what's a ticket? |
| 23:17.41 | foxlit | Kirov: the only thing that could actually discern friendly players from you is COMBATLOG_OBJECT_AFFILIATION_MINE |
| 23:17.49 | Arrowmaster | Tenchworks: whats the ticket for again? |
| 23:18.13 | Arrowmaster | Tenchworks: you realize the cia bots are open right? |
| 23:18.20 | foxlit | If that bit is set for all players, you're doomed |
| 23:18.24 | Tenchworks | for getting the new bot that posts updates to curseforge to be added to the -cmmits channel |
| 23:18.25 | Corrodias | maybe somebody who works on curse will know what the page is talking about. good luck |
| 23:18.50 | Tenchworks | ugg can't type right today |
| 23:18.51 | Arrowmaster | or i can just go do it now |
| 23:19.33 | Tenchworks | one of the guys asked to do it at the curseforge channel the the immediate response from keal/CK was to make a ticket and vote on it |
| 23:19.55 | Tenchworks | not sure if they where paying attention to the issue or they where serious |
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| 23:22.38 | Arrowmaster | done |
| 23:22.55 | Arrowmaster | and that has nothing to do with curseforge so go ahead and remove the ticket |
| 23:24.20 | tuxeh | Mery: Yay I got it working :) Though I'm not sure if the way I made it works is the best way, I used the UIPanelButtonTemplate |
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| 23:29.34 | SmarkWoW | how do I change the text in a FontString using LUA? |
| 23:29.52 | Kirov | FontStringName:SetText() |
| 23:30.02 | Kirov | ~widgetapi |
| 23:30.04 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#FontString |
| 23:30.06 | SmarkWoW | i tried it |
| 23:30.14 | SmarkWoW | lemme double check some stuff |
| 23:33.38 | SmarkWoW | the name in the fontstring tag is "$parent_Title" im assuming $parent hold the name of the parent frame, which is PT_TitleBG, but that frame has a parent named PT_MainFrame... Whats the name I need to put for FontStringName? |
| 23:34.15 | Kirov | $parent_Title |
| 23:34.25 | Kirov | replace $parent with the parent name |
| 23:34.47 | SmarkWoW | would that be PT_TitleBG or PT_MainFrame? |
| 23:34.49 | Mery | tuxeh: I think that is the cleanest way! :) |
| 23:34.50 | Kirov | (it's direct parent) |
| 23:34.53 | Xinhuan | both |
| 23:34.53 | SmarkWoW | k |
| 23:34.56 | Kirov | Not it's parent's parent. |
| 23:35.13 | Kirov | Xinhuan - only if the parent frame was called $parent_frame |
| 23:35.25 | Xinhuan | PT_TitleBG_Title is the fontstring name |
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| 23:45.57 | GSH | hi all, I have a question about SendAddonMessage() ... wowwiki lists 5 types, are those the only channel types, or can you define your own types? |
| 23:47.17 | Arrowmaster | you cannot |
| 23:49.41 | Kirov | GSH - what are you trying to do? |
| 23:51.00 | GSH | addons talking to each other when not in group, raid, guild, etc |
| 23:53.07 | Kirov | Blizzard doesn't want to promote that method, due to it adding a lot of bandwidth requirements, but it is possible. |
| 23:53.41 | Kirov | In the days prior to SendAddonMessage, and the reason that function exists at all, addons would join a "hidden" chat channel that would broadcast messages. |
| 23:54.29 | Kirov | These are just normal chat channels, but usually the addon intercepts the messages to prevent them from being displayed in the chat frames. |
| 23:54.38 | GSH | so that would be how you'd sync addons for people not in the same group? |
| 23:54.51 | Kirov | correct. |
| 23:55.20 | Kirov | There are still addons that use that method, such as GatherShare and some item addons. |
| 23:55.28 | [dRaCo] | but it requires everyone in that channel to have that addon, otherwise they will get spammed with lots of cryptic stuff |
| 23:55.49 | Kirov | [dRaCo] - if they manually join that channel, yes |
| 23:55.55 | GSH | does the cap on the number of chat channels still exist? |
| 23:56.08 | Kirov | GSH - I believe so, yes |
| 23:56.14 | [dRaCo] | 10 channel, isnt it? |
| 23:56.43 | Kirov | yes |
| 23:57.50 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.34 | [dRaCo] | oh, and it is pretty easy to fake stuff when you use that method |
| 23:58.45 | GSH | fake stuff? |
| 23:58.49 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 23:59.00 | [dRaCo] | just join the channel and send the data you want manually |
| 23:59.07 | [dRaCo] | the addon can't tell the difference |
| 23:59.23 | Kirov | If you plan on sending data you don't want others to see, you can use that channel to connect users, then use SendAddonMessage "whisper" |
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