| 00:00.20 | ScytheBlade1 | UI shows it in percentages |
| 00:00.36 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll know shortly in any case |
| 00:00.47 | Drundia | what does it do? |
| 00:00.56 | Kirov | percentages would certainly be more "blizzard" |
| 00:01.07 | Kirov | Though I find actual numbers far more useful. |
| 00:01.07 | Duman | well, for relative values it makes sense |
| 00:01.10 | kd3 | anyone see if they're still showing actual HP values? |
| 00:01.14 | Drundia | your threat against "unit" and "relUnit"'s threat against "unit" maybe? |
| 00:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | They are showing actual HP values still |
| 00:01.31 | Drundia | actual hp values still? tell me more! |
| 00:02.41 | Kirov | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/Wrath/WoWScrnShot_080108_174857.jpg |
| 00:03.06 | Kirov | note - default ui, real health # for hostile npc |
| 00:04.10 | Anaral | Okay, that's cool |
| 00:04.13 | Kirov | hmm... |
| 00:04.20 | Anaral | The shot |
| 00:04.31 | Anaral | You being IN the shredder |
| 00:04.53 | Kirov | If threat information is unit based, that means addons like Omen will probably still need to calculate threat information. |
| 00:05.10 | Gnarfoz | kd3: thanks |
| 00:05.15 | malreth | oh... info about blizzard's threat meter? |
| 00:05.18 | Kirov | At least, as a Mage, one of the most powerful parts of Omen is the AOE threat meter. |
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| 00:06.01 | Drundia | i think reverting health to real values matching showing all buffs and the fact that you can estimate it in pve pretty accurately |
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| 00:08.30 | Antiarc | We aren't getting %s |
| 00:08.33 | Antiarc | We're getting numbers 0-6 |
| 00:08.37 | Antiarc | 6 is "you have a massive lead" |
| 00:08.43 | Antiarc | 0 is "you have little or no threat" |
| 00:08.48 | Antiarc | I think it's all relative-based. |
| 00:08.53 | Kirov | Health values shown as percentages and not showing buffs had real bandwidth implications. Those might of been overriding factors. |
| 00:10.07 | Cide | Antiarc: you sure? that's pretty disappointing |
| 00:10.12 | Kirov | Antiarc - what does "90%" equate to? |
| 00:10.33 | Antiarc | I don't know yet |
| 00:10.34 | kd3 | that's what I remember them talking about at the R&D panel... not something as detailed as omen/ktm, but relative numbers |
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| 00:10.39 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1 and I are testing |
| 00:10.46 | kd3 | I'll be in as soon as I reinstall |
| 00:10.47 | Antiarc | I think the 0-6 is various threshold levels |
| 00:10.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Once I hit 100% vs. Antiarc's target |
| 00:10.50 | kd3 | something got corrupted, sigh |
| 00:10.53 | Antiarc | So like, when you transition from 0->1 you hass the 10% |
| 00:10.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I pulled aggro |
| 00:10.57 | Antiarc | pass* |
| 00:11.27 | Kirov | So, that sounds like client side calculation of all values might continue for Omen. |
| 00:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe, but they aren't giving us a ton of data |
| 00:12.45 | Cide | more than the 'nothing' we have right now |
| 00:13.16 | Kirov | personally I would of loved to of seen threat information passed via the combat log. |
| 00:13.23 | Kirov | but, that's probably pushing it |
| 00:13.48 | Antiarc | Honestly, any data makes me happy |
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| 00:13.57 | Antiarc | Because it's 100% trusted and can be used to benchmark if nothing else |
| 00:14.03 | Cide | I've heard tooltips have threat %? |
| 00:14.09 | Cide | and not just 0-6 |
| 00:14.15 | Antiarc | Yes, but I've only seen a few values |
| 00:14.21 | Antiarc | We're heading out to perform more tests |
| 00:14.23 | Cide | ah |
| 00:14.28 | Kirov | Cide - sorta, it seems to be the 100% 90% 75% numbers |
| 00:14.32 | Cide | let's hope for the best |
| 00:14.49 | Antiarc | This build seems ot have a massive memory leak in it |
| 00:14.58 | Cide | yep |
| 00:15.02 | Antiarc | I've had the client open for like 10 minutes and I'm up to 800mb usage |
| 00:15.12 | Cide | wrapped in an if ( UnitName('player') == "Antiarc" ) { ... } |
| 00:15.27 | Shirik | tsk tsk Cide |
| 00:15.30 | Antiarc | But that's not my name <_< |
| 00:15.31 | Shirik | this ain't no C! |
| 00:15.37 | Shirik | close them curly brackets |
| 00:15.42 | Cide | who says it was C? :P |
| 00:15.53 | Cide | besides, they're closed |
| 00:15.53 | Kaso | lua function UnitName, mixed with curly brackets, its all so confusing |
| 00:15.54 | Kirov | GetUnitThreat(unit,unit or guid) would be win |
| 00:15.56 | Shirik | It ain't Lua! |
| 00:16.02 | Shirik | Yeah that was from a song :P |
| 00:16.07 | Cide | ah :P |
| 00:16.39 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 |
| 00:16.50 | malreth | we've replaced these coders' normal scripting language with python crystals. let's see if they notice. |
| 00:19.35 | Duman | I hope they don't leave a broken build up all weekend :-/ |
| 00:20.37 | Arrowmaster | *sigh* still no beta key =( |
| 00:20.43 | |Jelly| | ^^ |
| 00:21.07 | Anaral | Arrow, me neither, so don't feel alone... |
| 00:22.07 | malreth | me neither... but that's because i'm a lazy fuck |
| 00:22.11 | Dashkal | looks like monday it is... unless of course they have the batch sitting in a cron job for midnight... |
| 00:24.28 | Gnarfoz | although it's not a changed line.... local CALENDAR_CREATEEVENTFRAME_DEFAULT_HOUR= 12;-- default is standard (not military) time made me laugh >_> "military time" ;D |
| 00:25.06 | Antiarc | UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE |
| 00:25.09 | Antiarc | UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE |
| 00:25.45 | Duman | heh |
| 00:25.56 | Gnarfoz | heh, the moment a new build is out, it's torn apart^^ |
| 00:26.16 | Shirik | Kaso: I figured it out |
| 00:26.27 | Shirik | Cide didn't actually mean the "if" there, that was an english if, not Lua if |
| 00:26.49 | Shirik | what it is is UnitName() returns an object with an __eq metamethod which, when compared to 'Antiarc', returns a function |
| 00:26.52 | Cide | I did? |
| 00:27.03 | Shirik | that function takes one argument, a table, which he is generating on the fly from a vararg |
| 00:27.15 | Kaso | hahah |
| 00:27.17 | Kaso | Awesome |
| 00:27.23 | Cide | there you go |
| 00:27.57 | Cide | wait, you didn't get that until just now? ;) |
| 00:28.37 | Shirik | lua> UnitName = function() return setmetatable({}, {__eq = function() return function(e) pp(e) end end}); end; function foo(...) (UnitName('player')=='Antiarc'){...} end foo(1,2,3) |
| 00:28.37 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call a boolean value |
| 00:28.42 | Shirik | hrm |
| 00:29.26 | Shirik | and nobin is sitting here going "you know, this is why I hate Lua" |
| 00:29.36 | Shirik | as he tries to decipher what I just said |
| 00:30.08 | Shirik | lua> UnitName = function() return setmetatable({}, {__eq = function() return function(e) pp(e) end end}); end; return UnitName()=='Antiarc' |
| 00:30.08 | lua_bot | Shirik: false |
| 00:30.21 | Shirik | lua> UnitName = function() return setmetatable({}, {__eq = function() return function(e) pp(e) end end}); end; pp(getmetatable(UnitName())) |
| 00:30.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: { ["__eq"] = function: 0x683560 } (#1) |
| 00:30.46 | Shirik | does __eq only get called if both objects are talbes? |
| 00:30.49 | Shirik | tables* |
| 00:31.35 | Tem | __eq only gets called if both objects have the same metatable |
| 00:31.35 | Tem | irc |
| 00:31.35 | Antiarc | Okay |
| 00:31.35 | Tem | s/irc/iirc/ |
| 00:31.41 | Antiarc | I think the % calculation is being done in the client |
| 00:31.57 | Tem | what makes you think that? |
| 00:32.08 | Antiarc | [chris@polaris beta]$ grep THREAT_TOOLTIP * -R |
| 00:32.08 | Antiarc | FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua:THREAT_TOOLTIP = "%d%% Threat"; |
| 00:32.08 | Antiarc | Binary file Wow.exe matches |
| 00:32.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Because we can't find the lua function call anywhere |
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| 00:32.19 | ScytheBlade1 | All we get is semi-cryptic numbers |
| 00:32.19 | Shirik | yup you're right Tem |
| 00:32.20 | Shirik | "eq": the == operation. The function getcomphandler defines how Lua chooses a metamethod for comparison operators. A metamethod only is selected when both objects being compared have the same type and the same metamethod for the selected operation. |
| 00:32.37 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: what %s are you seeing on the tooltips? |
| 00:32.46 | Antiarc | All kinds of numbers |
| 00:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: I saw just about every value you can think of |
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| 00:35.20 | Yssaril | they should just toss all the threat stuff in the combat log whenever a combat event occures tag on the threat between the 2 partys in the event (unless its the same 2 people :P) |
| 00:37.49 | Shirik | I wonder if it's ok to catch a segmentation fault, just output "Segmentation fault. Retrying..." and keep going >.> |
| 00:37.54 | Shirik | that's what my code does right now >.> |
| 00:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | btw |
| 00:38.33 | ScytheBlade1 | UnitDetailedThreatSituation() |
| 00:38.37 | ScytheBlade1 | This looks new and exciting |
| 00:38.42 | Shirik | ooo |
| 00:38.43 | Shirik | shiny |
| 00:38.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Usage: UnitDetailedThreatSituation("unit" [, "mob"]) |
| 00:39.11 | Kirov | mob? |
| 00:39.17 | Kirov | as in ... guid?! |
| 00:39.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Dunno yet |
| 00:39.44 | Kirov | GetUnitThreat(unit,unit or guid) win? |
| 00:41.56 | Antiarc | Holy shit |
| 00:41.59 | ScytheBlade1 | We got it |
| 00:42.00 | Antiarc | I think they gave us full threat numbers |
| 00:42.10 | Antiarc | select(5, UnitDetailedThreatSituation("party1", "target")) |
| 00:42.12 | Shirik | wow |
| 00:42.15 | Antiarc | That's party5's threat level on targetr |
| 00:42.17 | Duman | hoooooo |
| 00:42.18 | Duman | really? |
| 00:42.24 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 00:42.29 | Duman | daaamn |
| 00:42.31 | kd3 | patching up now, I'll be in in a sec |
| 00:42.33 | Antiarc | I think it is. |
| 00:42.38 | Antiarc | Initial testing pans out |
| 00:42.57 | Kirov | try guids?... |
| 00:43.01 | Arrowmaster | party5? |
| 00:43.13 | Antiarc | party1 |
| 00:43.43 | Duman | wow |
| 00:44.28 | Mery | what you make available to 1 player you should show every player, otherwise we'd just use addons to broadcast that information, which probably is heavier on the bandwidth in the end |
| 00:45.00 | Yssaril | are there any UNITTHREAT events so we dont have to continuously poll for the numbers? |
| 00:45.16 | Duman | <05:25PM Antiarc> UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE |
| 00:45.16 | Duman | <05:25PM Antiarc> UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE |
| 00:45.22 | Yssaril | nice |
| 00:45.29 | Duman | very |
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| 00:46.55 | Kirov | What does UnitDetailedThreatSituation("player") actually show? |
| 00:47.48 | Antiarc | 5 values |
| 00:48.00 | Antiarc | Seems to be 3 flags, a %, and an absolute threat value |
| 00:49.19 | p3lim | where did you read this? |
| 00:49.27 | Kirov | malreth - they make teeth for a reason |
| 00:49.45 | Adys | malreth: rofl |
| 00:49.52 | malreth | i've always wondered why they didn't use velcro |
| 00:50.01 | Antiarc | p3lim: I just tested it out |
| 00:50.08 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1 and I are on beta figuring out what it does |
| 00:50.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, were |
| 00:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | But... it's awesome |
| 00:50.30 | kd3 | I'm on if you need a hand |
| 00:50.31 | Antiarc | Yes. |
| 00:50.36 | Antiarc | It needs more testing |
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| 00:50.42 | Antiarc | But I THINK they're giving us threat values |
| 00:50.42 | Adys | Does anyone know what the function is to get the unit's maximum hp? |
| 00:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: UnitMaxHP() (or swap Max and HP around) |
| 00:51.01 | Adys | cheers |
| 00:51.03 | Antiarc | If Yoshi stops in tonight, ping me |
| 00:51.12 | Antiarc | I want to love all over him |
| 00:51.19 | Iriel | Health, not HP |
| 00:51.23 | Kirov | UnitHealthMax() UNIT_MAXHEALTH |
| 00:51.33 | Adys | aye that was it |
| 00:51.46 | Antiarc | What's interesting is that the 5th parameter is a lot larger than I'd expected |
| 00:51.49 | Kirov | (which annoys the f out of me when ever I deal with those) |
| 00:51.55 | kd3 | lol, server restart |
| 00:51.58 | Antiarc | It looks like in Blizzard's reckoning, 1 damage = 100 threat or so |
| 00:52.12 | Antiarc | Shouldn't be hard to actually figure out |
| 00:52.14 | Antiarc | But yeah. |
| 00:52.16 | Antiarc | I am so happy. |
| 00:52.27 | Kirov | Antiarc - makes sense if the number is an int vs. float |
| 00:52.42 | Kirov | Gives them some wiggle room, but also lets the numbers get really big |
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| 00:54.15 | kd3 | damn it, we still can't mount in dalaran |
| 00:54.31 | Yssaril | Antiarc: does it work with guids? |
| 00:54.55 | Antiarc | I dunno, I'll have to check |
| 00:54.57 | Iriel | Nothing else does, so I doubt it |
| 00:54.57 | Antiarc | I suspect not |
| 00:55.00 | Antiarc | Since it takes unit IDs |
| 00:55.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, the second param, "mob" |
| 00:55.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Note how it reads "mob" and not "unit" ;) |
| 00:55.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That makes me wonder, and that'd also be the missing key to have proper AoE threat values |
| 00:55.35 | Iriel | I took that as meaning "unit that is a mob", but who knows |
| 00:55.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Usage: UnitThreatSituation("unit" [, "mob"]) |
| 00:55.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Usage: UnitDetailedThreatSituation("unit" [, "mob"]) |
| 00:55.55 | NeoTron_ | probably because you don't have threat on a player |
| 00:56.03 | Iriel | I was fairly sure they'd never let us resolve a GUID back to anything, but we might be pleasantly surprised. |
| 00:56.14 | ScytheBlade1 | But a unit isn't a "player" in that sense either |
| 00:56.30 | NeoTron_ | unit can be a player or npc |
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| 00:56.40 | ScytheBlade1 | exactly. So why put mob there? |
| 00:56.41 | NeoTron_ | npc's (pets, mind controlled units etc) have threat |
| 00:56.47 | Duman | heh |
| 00:57.03 | NeoTron_ | mob => npc only, unit => npc or player? |
| 00:57.06 | Adys | is it possible to get the id of a buff/debuff on me or target? |
| 00:57.45 | Maldivia | Antiarc: the second return has something to do with taunt? |
| 00:57.48 | Esamynn | Adys: define "id" |
| 00:57.53 | Adys | spell id |
| 00:57.58 | Esamynn | no |
| 00:58.01 | Adys | aight |
| 00:58.04 | kd3 | boo, the cupcake vendor's still not selling cupcakes |
| 00:58.09 | Esamynn | boo! |
| 00:58.22 | NeoTron_ | out of curiosity what are the other return values from the detailed threat situation? |
| 00:58.31 | ScytheBlade1 | We don' |
| 00:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | t know yet |
| 00:58.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Feel free to log on and poke yourself ;) |
| 00:59.11 | jaxdahl | if you need info from me let me know |
| 00:59.19 | jaxdahl | level 71 dk |
| 00:59.37 | Esamynn | is there a UI for these threat functions, or were you guys just scanning for new API stuff? |
| 00:59.47 | NeoTron_ | ScytheBlade1: I wish |
| 00:59.54 | Antiarc | Not much of a UI yet |
| 01:00.16 | NeoTron_ | does it give you the absolute threat number I guess? |
| 01:00.26 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 01:00.32 | Esamynn | I doubt there will EVER be much of a threat UI in the default interface |
| 01:00.34 | Antiarc | I also think one of the flags is melee/ranged status |
| 01:00.48 | NeoTron_ | cool |
| 01:01.01 | Esamynn | Antiarc: I would expect them to keep it as minimal as possible, and still have a purpose |
| 01:01.14 | AnduinLothar | Just a note: Cosmos is back up today. |
| 01:01.49 | AnduinLothar | Server blew up. |
| 01:01.56 | AnduinLothar | had to replace the drive |
| 01:01.56 | Esamynn | yuck |
| 01:03.01 | AnduinLothar | mmm my bad. onyl the forums are up |
| 01:03.22 | AnduinLothar | looks like i need to do something about the files... |
| 01:03.24 | Duman | What? No post in the beta UI forum yet about threat?!?! |
| 01:03.25 | Duman | ;-) |
| 01:03.36 | Antiarc | I will, or ScytheBlade1 will |
| 01:03.40 | Antiarc | But I'm arenaing |
| 01:03.42 | Duman | I'm sure :) |
| 01:03.42 | Anaral | Was actually curious about Cosmos. Good to know it's not completely gabroke. |
| 01:03.43 | Duman | haha |
| 01:03.43 | Antiarc | Not htat I want to |
| 01:03.44 | AnduinLothar | no one's done any raiding yet on beta |
| 01:03.46 | Antiarc | But I promised I would |
| 01:03.46 | NeoTron_ | was one on the beta general forum, if brien |
| 01:03.49 | Antiarc | I really don't want to arena |
| 01:03.58 | Duman | yeah, saw that one |
| 01:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Duman: I posted it on general, in the "100% threat?" thread |
| 01:04.05 | Duman | responded, too ;) |
| 01:04.22 | NeoTron_ | gngngng. need my key already! |
| 01:04.34 | jaxdahl | server is restarting |
| 01:04.43 | Duman | fixing DK mounts? ;-) |
| 01:05.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: hahaha. One of the best comments I've gotten out of this so far - "So does this mean I can quit updating !@#$ing Omen?" |
| 01:05.09 | jaxdahl | idk. |
| 01:05.15 | jaxdahl | my DK mount works fine |
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| 01:05.39 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: where did you get that? |
| 01:05.49 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: No, it means that -I- can quit updating @!#$ Omen! |
| 01:05.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: a guy I know |
| 01:06.04 | Industrial | "my dk mount |
| 01:06.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: haha, win. |
| 01:06.06 | Industrial | " |
| 01:06.10 | Industrial | what is this you speak of |
| 01:06.14 | Industrial | you got your key? |
| 01:06.33 | foxlit | "So why put mob there?" |
| 01:06.43 | foxlit | Because "unit", "unit" would be confusing :) |
| 01:06.48 | Industrial | "she has sexy leg" |
| 01:07.00 | jaxdahl | is the 'Animal Blood' debuff in the borean tundra new? |
| 01:07.07 | kd3 | been there since alpha |
| 01:07.20 | jaxdahl | ok, guess i just haven't been killing them randomly before |
| 01:07.27 | jaxdahl | was doing that now to check out the threat meter |
| 01:07.49 | NeoTron_ | Antiarc: tough chance! |
| 01:07.52 | NeoTron_ | well |
| 01:08.01 | NeoTron_ | it means omen will be a lot easier to make.. but I still like AoE threat ;-) |
| 01:08.04 | Esamynn | jaxdahl: kill and animal, then go visit the DEHTA camp ;) |
| 01:08.08 | Esamynn | s/and/an/ |
| 01:08.19 | Anaral | Antiarc: This is Smurrf from Lothar, Anaral's husband. I just want to thank you for such a great addon and all the work you've put into it. |
| 01:08.22 | Sixen | w00t! |
| 01:08.24 | jaxdahl | F5ing the realm selection |
| 01:08.27 | Duman | word |
| 01:08.28 | Sixen | Anyone see the goody bag? |
| 01:08.44 | jaxdahl | what goody bag is that? |
| 01:08.45 | Duman | o.O |
| 01:08.46 | Esamynn | oooh |
| 01:08.51 | jaxdahl | did you see hunters have 4 slots? |
| 01:08.54 | Esamynn | they announced the 08 BlizzCon goodie bag |
| 01:08.59 | Industrial | im only seeing a rogues big blade up my spleen right now |
| 01:09.08 | ScytheBlade1 | < Sbo> Antiarc: hahaha. One of the best comments I've gotten out of this so far - "So does this mean I can quit updating !@#$ing Omen?" |
| 01:09.08 | Duman | hahah |
| 01:09.11 | ScytheBlade1 | < Antiarc> Sbo: No, it means that -I- can quit updating @!#$ Omen! |
| 01:09.12 | Duman | my spleen! |
| 01:09.12 | jaxdahl | Esamynn, link it then! |
| 01:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoops, wrong button |
| 01:09.27 | Industrial | I live though. I shrug off rogues being resto sham >:D |
| 01:09.50 | foxlit | Hm, they patched in the slash handler argument change |
| 01:10.04 | Sixen | Mulroc/Polar Bear Mount |
| 01:10.06 | Sixen | That's epic. |
| 01:10.09 | Sixen | Murloc* |
| 01:10.10 | jaxdahl | there seems to be a minimum threat % value for it to show up in ScT |
| 01:10.12 | Esamynn | HAWT!!!! |
| 01:10.24 | Sixen | It's a Polar Bear mount with aMurloc sitting on top holding a blizzcon flag. |
| 01:10.25 | AnduinLothar | lol the polar bear has goggles |
| 01:10.40 | jaxdahl | aviation googles? >_> |
| 01:10.42 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: so whats the argument order now? |
| 01:10.48 | foxlit | (text, box) |
| 01:10.49 | Esamynn | jaxdahl: you get threat warnings in the Floating combat text? |
| 01:10.53 | Arrowmaster | boo |
| 01:10.55 | Antiarc | yes |
| 01:11.03 | Arrowmaster | they should have kept it as (frame, msg) imho |
| 01:11.11 | foxlit | your ho is wrong :) |
| 01:11.12 | Vilkku | "6:10pm Friday (PDT) - Time in California, United States of America" |
| 01:11.28 | Vilkku | likelihood of key before monday - about 0% |
| 01:11.29 | Iriel | I think putting the frame at the front was misguided |
| 01:11.37 | jaxdahl | Esamynn, yea |
| 01:11.44 | Iriel | almost no slash commands CARE abotu the edit box they were invoked from |
| 01:11.48 | jaxdahl | it just shows a percentage value |
| 01:12.00 | Iriel | I'm sure it was for consistency with self, which makes sense, to a degree |
| 01:12.02 | jaxdahl | server is back up |
| 01:12.10 | Esamynn | then I get the FrameXML stuff will have some hints on what the returns from the threat API do |
| 01:12.11 | NeoTron_ | Arrowmaster: unnecessary to break all code that use slash handlers really |
| 01:12.15 | Esamynn | bet* |
| 01:12.15 | foxlit | (it'd make sense with self if it was passed SlashCmdList, but it isn't) |
| 01:12.17 | Iriel | but still, message first is by far the best |
| 01:13.48 | Duman | ok, I'll start a thread in the UI forum |
| 01:13.54 | Duman | ;) |
| 01:15.27 | Maldivia | one of the "self" changes that bugs me the most, is the uidropdownmenu changes, when it calls the info.func function, info.arg1 and info.arg2 ar no longer arg 1 and 2, but 2 and 3 now |
| 01:17.00 | jaxdahl | i think mobs have zero armor again.. just got a 6.3k oblit |
| 01:17.09 | kd3 | rofl. the reagents shop in dalaran is missing its floor |
| 01:17.29 | Arrowmaster | kd3: visually or literally? |
| 01:17.38 | cbreak | it's visible |
| 01:17.38 | jaxdahl | and part of the dalaran prison is poking into the hunter weapon store |
| 01:17.40 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: yeah I've /bugged that already |
| 01:17.40 | cbreak | but not solid |
| 01:17.45 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 01:17.58 | cbreak | I ended up in the gold vault |
| 01:18.00 | kd3 | literally. I fell into the bank downstairs |
| 01:18.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:18.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a new one |
| 01:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | You should /bug that |
| 01:18.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not what I got |
| 01:20.58 | kd3 | hm... need a cheese icon now |
| 01:21.15 | cbreak | there's a cheese shop near the barber shop. |
| 01:21.22 | kd3 | that's why |
| 01:21.28 | Shirik | wow |
| 01:21.34 | Shirik | gcc -W9 is really strict |
| 01:21.35 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Dalaran_beta_map.jpg |
| 01:21.38 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 01:21.52 | Shirik | <3 gcc |
| 01:21.56 | Esamynn | Shirik: nice |
| 01:22.01 | Esamynn | oh, wrong person |
| 01:22.04 | Esamynn | kd3: nice |
| 01:22.13 | kd3 | ty |
| 01:22.17 | cbreak | it's supposed to be strict, right? |
| 01:22.22 | Shirik | well yes |
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| 01:22.25 | Shirik | but I didn't expect it THIS strict |
| 01:22.36 | Shirik | It's yelling at me because my switch does not handle all cases |
| 01:22.43 | jaxdahl | there are portals in the back of the alliance quarter now.. not sure if they're associated with battlegrounds or what |
| 01:22.45 | Shirik | which is good, because that's a good warning |
| 01:22.46 | Shirik | but still :P |
| 01:23.01 | Esamynn | haha |
| 01:23.28 | cbreak | add a default: :) |
| 01:23.45 | cbreak | does it do more that -Wall? |
| 01:24.22 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 01:24.27 | Shirik | -Wall is not an option in my IDE so |
| 01:24.33 | Rabbitbunny | What do you guys figure you're getting for gold/sessionTime? my mule just pumped out 77g/hr. I'm very disappointed. |
| 01:24.43 | Islandir | ok so being new to the whole mod creation. I would like to save variables but on a global scale not per account or per char. I use 4 accounts and I want to be able to see info from chars on my other accounts. is there a way or we are stuck with per account or per char as I seem to have found out |
| 01:24.44 | Shirik | cbreak: No, actually it's correct. I don't want a default, and I just hadn't finished implementing that block :P |
| 01:24.54 | Shirik | If I have a default, it will probably just throw an exception |
| 01:25.01 | NeoTron_ | Islandir: can't share between accounts |
| 01:25.07 | Islandir | sucks |
| 01:25.13 | NeoTron_ | from a WoW point of view they are completely separated |
| 01:25.31 | Duman | well |
| 01:25.33 | Duman | you "can" |
| 01:25.42 | NeoTron_ | by manually copying.. |
| 01:25.46 | Islandir | lol |
| 01:25.47 | Duman | if you create a symlink between account names |
| 01:25.54 | Duman | nah, you can symlink the account directories |
| 01:25.56 | Shirik | that's an interesting idea actually |
| 01:26.02 | Duman | semi-tricky on windozeXP |
| 01:26.04 | cbreak | or hard links |
| 01:26.13 | Shirik | nah, winxp should be able to do it |
| 01:26.18 | Duman | you'll need to install some link thing |
| 01:26.19 | Islandir | oo I see where you are going there |
| 01:26.26 | Duman | yeah, it's not 100% native tho |
| 01:26.37 | cbreak | ntfs is supposed to support hard links |
| 01:26.38 | End | oh, it's native |
| 01:26.45 | Shirik | ntfs does support links |
| 01:26.49 | NeoTron_ | it's super easy for me since I run on OS X. I should do that so I can get shared gather data, auction data and dkp tracking data |
| 01:26.51 | End | winxp doesn't have a ui for it |
| 01:26.52 | Shirik | it's just very very underused |
| 01:27.02 | Duman | end: fair enough :) |
| 01:27.08 | End | I imagine you could make some system calls here and there or something like that |
| 01:27.13 | End | and it'd do it for you |
| 01:27.18 | Duman | yeah there are a few modules you can install that will do it just fine |
| 01:27.25 | Duman | I can't for th elife of me remember which I used |
| 01:27.28 | Duman | but it works just fine |
| 01:27.31 | Islandir | did anyone from the ui community asked blizz for the ability to have global saved vars ? |
| 01:27.45 | Duman | "global"? |
| 01:27.49 | End | that'd be a longshot |
| 01:27.50 | Duman | it would be a security risk |
| 01:27.54 | Islandir | cross-accounts |
| 01:28.04 | Duman | I highly doubt they would ever do that |
| 01:28.26 | Duman | especially since there is a fairly simple work-around :) |
| 01:28.43 | Islandir | :) |
| 01:29.06 | NeoTron_ | it's not going to happen |
| 01:29.09 | Shirik | End: There's a command line utility too |
| 01:29.13 | Shirik | I just can't remember the name |
| 01:29.20 | Shirik | I have ln installed so :P |
| 01:29.22 | End | that comes with xp? |
| 01:29.23 | Shirik | <3 cygwin |
| 01:29.25 | Shirik | I believe it does |
| 01:29.30 | End | huh, didn't know about that |
| 01:30.08 | NeoTron_ | does ln actually make real ntfs links? |
| 01:30.14 | NeoTron_ | I thought it did something iffy |
| 01:30.25 | Shirik | Supposedly it does: http://wowi.pastey.net/92941 |
| 01:30.31 | Shirik | that's just from dir | more |
| 01:32.08 | jaxdahl | when someone gets an achievement completed, it prints in guild chat now |
| 01:32.13 | Shirik | here it is |
| 01:32.16 | kd3 | been that way for a few builds |
| 01:32.16 | Shirik | mklink is the command line utility |
| 01:32.22 | Shirik | but from what I'm reading, it's only built-in to vista |
| 01:32.28 | Shirik | try it on xp though, who knwos |
| 01:32.36 | jaxdahl | kd3, pretty sure it wasn't like that last build |
| 01:32.43 | kd3 | it was 2 builds ago |
| 01:32.53 | Duman | it's been like that since beta started |
| 01:33.00 | Duman | you need to just have "Guild Announcements" enables in your chat tab |
| 01:33.02 | End | suprisingly enough, I'm running vista, so I can't check :P |
| 01:33.06 | Shirik | ah heh |
| 01:33.09 | Islandir | mklink does not exist on xp |
| 01:33.15 | jaxdahl | is it connected to 'guild member alert', kd3? |
| 01:33.19 | Shirik | ok well microsoft probably enables you to download it |
| 01:33.24 | kd3 | shouldn't be |
| 01:33.34 | Shirik | it will definitely WORK on xp |
| 01:33.35 | kd3 | "Guild Announce" in chat options |
| 01:33.37 | Shirik | it's part of the ntfs standard |
| 01:33.52 | Shirik | "NtfsLink" is an easy-to-use tool though |
| 01:33.58 | Arrowmaster | you need to be using vista to get good linking with ntfs |
| 01:33.59 | Shirik | makes it work in explorer |
| 01:34.05 | Arrowmaster | or server08 i guess |
| 01:34.34 | Shirik | ok this song is awesome |
| 01:34.37 | jaxdahl | well, i hadn't been seeing those achievement announcements before i had 'guild member alert' unchecked, and i hadn't messed with the chat settings |
| 01:34.39 | Shirik | "Rods and Cones" - Blue Man Group |
| 01:34.57 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: yes it is |
| 01:34.57 | NeoTron_ | jaxdahl: that would be seriously annoying |
| 01:34.59 | jaxdahl | if 'guild announce' is checked and 'guild member alert' is unchecked... |
| 01:35.14 | jaxdahl | NeoTron_, imagine your guild killing the last boss in an instance for the first time (25 man) |
| 01:35.21 | NeoTron_ | yeah |
| 01:36.22 | Arrowmaster | i bet i could fix that with some chat filters |
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| 01:46.22 | Rabbitbunny | Does OnInitialize() fire before I have bags? |
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| 01:46.37 | Adys | Evading mobs dont regenerate health anymore |
| 01:46.57 | NeoTron_ | so one caveat with the new threat is that it's not going to work for AoE mode at all unless every mob is targeted by someone |
| 01:47.36 | NeoTron_ | so there might still be a market for "guesswork" (except of course you can now get exact numbers instead of guessing) |
| 01:47.51 | NeoTron_ | rather might be a room to parse combat log to do threat updates of non-targeted mobs |
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| 01:49.08 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.01 | NeoTron_ | unless you can just do a call to QueryThreat(myself) and get a list of guid => threat values :P |
| 01:50.27 | NeoTron_ | Antiarc: when the guesswork is out of the picture, i.e you know X gives Y threat, it's not as bad anymore |
| 01:50.38 | NeoTron_ | especially since the normal case doesn't need it |
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| 01:55.01 | Shirik | ~logs |
| 01:55.02 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 01:55.21 | NeoTron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.41 | Shirik | how do you google only on a specific site |
| 01:55.48 | Shirik | match site:www.foo.com ? |
| 01:55.55 | Rabbitbunny | 'site:specific.com' |
| 01:55.56 | Nargiddley | site:site.com |
| 01:57.14 | Shirik | bleh, I can't find it |
| 01:57.15 | Shirik | I give up |
| 01:58.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, anyone here available to answer a few questions about git branches? |
| 02:02.41 | kd3 | ooh, they updated the minimap for azeroth |
| 02:02.49 | kd3 | dalaran's fixed |
| 02:03.02 | NeoTron_ | what is in place of dalaran now? |
| 02:03.07 | kd3 | the hole |
| 02:03.11 | NeoTron_ | ah |
| 02:03.14 | NeoTron_ | makes sense I suppos |
| 02:03.38 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dalaran_%28location%29 |
| 02:04.14 | p3lim | hahahha emo trolls |
| 02:04.15 | p3lim | http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7366/femaletrollih4.jpg |
| 02:04.18 | p3lim | (left one) |
| 02:05.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:05.18 | ScytheBlade1 | bad haircut ftl |
| 02:05.20 | Wobin | hm |
| 02:05.30 | Wobin | They're selling Crafted Light Shot for 1g a stack in the AH |
| 02:05.39 | Wobin | methinks this market is slightly... skewed |
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| 02:07.09 | p3lim | 'New in Wrath of the Lich King: Keep your characters up with the trend, Emo Haircuts!' |
| 02:07.49 | Gnarfoz | fake haircuts, even |
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| 02:17.49 | Rabbitbunny | Wobin: Have you calced out your gold/hour gain? |
| 02:18.03 | Rabbitbunny | I only did 77g/hour at the AH today. |
| 02:18.11 | Wobin | hm |
| 02:18.18 | Wobin | I have 22g atm |
| 02:18.34 | Wobin | not too bad for a single toon at level 10 on the server |
| 02:18.47 | Rabbitbunny | ...I'm level 1? |
| 02:18.58 | Wobin | and is that your main? |
| 02:19.17 | Wobin | This one is mine, with no alts on the server =P |
| 02:19.21 | Rabbitbunny | Dang. I was hoping for a 'omfgwtfbbdpinkpoines!' |
| 02:19.30 | Rabbitbunny | I guess that only happens in /2. |
| 02:19.41 | Wobin | It's easy to play the AH when you have the ability to twink stuff =P |
| 02:20.38 | Rabbitbunny | I've got Fiery on my MH. the Auctioneers flinch. |
| 02:21.13 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:24.06 | ScytheBlade1 | All right, now to find a copy of devtools that'll work on the beta |
| 02:24.26 | Gnarfoz | old one should work again |
| 02:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that's what I just grabbed |
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| 02:35.29 | Legorol | Does anyone know what's the best way to find out if a particular way of pulling a raid boss is an exploit or not? |
| 02:35.52 | Legorol | I suspect it may be, but it's fairly grey, and it's actually mentioned on WoWwiki as a potential strategy. |
| 02:36.43 | Arrowmaster | which? |
| 02:37.13 | kd3 | where's it listed on the wiki? |
| 02:37.15 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:37.40 | Shirik|AFK | Legorol reported for haxoring |
| 02:38.10 | Legorol | lol Shirik |
| 02:38.24 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: pulling the Tempest first on the gauntlet to Akil'zon |
| 02:38.31 | Legorol | i've seen several variations of the theme |
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| 02:38.46 | Arrowmaster | doesnt everybody do that? |
| 02:38.54 | Legorol | once the Tempest is dead, you mop up the stationery mobs |
| 02:38.58 | Legorol | no, not everyobdy does that |
| 02:39.07 | Gnarfoz | with what, hunter + eotb? |
| 02:39.08 | Legorol | and it's definitely not how the gauntlet was intended to be done |
| 02:39.17 | Legorol | either with the hunter, yes |
| 02:39.29 | Legorol | or you SS up a raid member, ride up teh gauntlet, wipe, res, and pull tempest first |
| 02:39.45 | Legorol | warlock pet works as well i think |
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| 02:41.21 | Legorol | it's pretty clear that on jan'alai trash, you are supposed to kill the bloody scouts, and not get reinforcements |
| 02:41.34 | Legorol | also i think it's fairly clear that the gauntlet was intended for you to slog through, |
| 02:41.49 | Legorol | and handle the waves of birds/warriors, making good advance |
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| 02:42.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: playing around with this some more, I'm not sure what they're giving us.. if anything aside from percents |
| 02:42.33 | Antiarc | Hm |
| 02:42.33 | Legorol | anyway, my original question was: how do i go about finding out if it's an exploit or not |
| 02:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: ask a GM |
| 02:42.42 | kd3 | ask in CSF? |
| 02:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Or in CSF, yes |
| 02:42.49 | kd3 | gms will give you both answers |
| 02:42.59 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: that's probably as reliable as trying to tell my fortune from the stars |
| 02:43.03 | Legorol | i agree with kd3 |
| 02:43.12 | Legorol | CSF is good idea, i'll try that |
| 02:43.35 | kd3 | ask in #wowcsf first, some of the regulars hang out in there and may know if it's been brought up before |
| 02:43.45 | Gnarfoz | they'll just flame you for even asking :p |
| 02:44.22 | Drundia | I think skipping some stuff in ZA is intended to work, so you can make it without farming Illidan. Invis pots and mentioned skipping sounds fair really. |
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| 02:46.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh, you can make it without farming illidan and without pulling the tempest fine |
| 02:46.55 | Arrowmaster | depends entirely on comp |
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| 02:49.11 | malreth | spammers are getting bolder on the forums |
| 02:49.27 | Tekkub | [b] ? |
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| 02:49.52 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557069986&sid=1#2 |
| 02:51.17 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, already deleted |
| 02:51.32 | malreth | wow... that was fast |
| 02:51.46 | malreth | i only reported that like three minutes ago |
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| 02:54.13 | p3lim | what was it about? |
| 02:54.15 | Antiarc | Risingtide-Lightbringer casts Fire Blast at Adrine. Adrine gains Stealth. Adrine gains Vanish. Stealth fades from Adrine. Vanish fades from Adrine. |
| 02:54.18 | Antiarc | SCREW. YOU. STEALTH. |
| 02:55.04 | p3lim | get used to it :D |
| 02:56.05 | kd3 | gah... wtb faster land mounts |
| 02:57.04 | Antiarc | I've been "used to it" for four years now. |
| 02:57.08 | Antiarc | It's ridiculous at this point. |
| 02:59.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: I still can't figure out what this is giving me... I Ice Lance a target for 570, and it shows 70119.998432696. wtf? |
| 02:59.42 | Antiarc | I do think it's a linear threat value |
| 02:59.52 | Antiarc | Just not in our reckoning of threat |
| 03:00.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, even when I keep hitting a mob, it stays static at the first value |
| 03:00.53 | ScytheBlade1 | So I have no idea wtf it is giving us |
| 03:01.14 | ScytheBlade1 | 570 ~= 70k, 2742 ~= 208k |
| 03:02.08 | Arrowmaster | lua> 570*100*1.3 |
| 03:02.08 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 74100 |
| 03:02.32 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2742*100*1.3 |
| 03:02.32 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 356460 |
| 03:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Exact value on the 750: 70119.998432696 |
| 03:02.53 | Arrowmaster | your a mage right? so -10% from talents? |
| 03:03.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That's frost, so not on the 750 |
| 03:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | My frost isn't -threat talented |
| 03:03.27 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2742*100*0.9*1.3 |
| 03:03.27 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 320814 |
| 03:03.39 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2742*100*0.9*1.1 |
| 03:03.39 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 271458 |
| 03:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That one IS talented, and that exact value is: 208151.99534744 |
| 03:04.09 | Arrowmaster | got cloak enchant? |
| 03:04.13 | Arrowmaster | salv? |
| 03:04.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, so another 3% |
| 03:04.36 | kd3 | bah, I'm going to detalent and run around whacking stuff naked |
| 03:04.40 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2742*100*0.9*0.97*1.1 |
| 03:04.40 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 263314.26 |
| 03:04.45 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2742*100*0.9*0.97 |
| 03:04.45 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 239376.6 |
| 03:04.47 | Antiarc | Just roll an alt or a DK or whatnot |
| 03:04.51 | Antiarc | Roll a hunter |
| 03:05.01 | Antiarc | 1.0 threat mod, no special threat moves when new |
| 03:05.23 | kd3 | crap, the mage trainers in dalaran can't detalent me |
| 03:05.51 | Arrowmaster | lua> 570*100*0.97 |
| 03:05.52 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 55290 |
| 03:05.59 | Arrowmaster | lua> 570*100*0.97*1.3 |
| 03:05.59 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 71877 |
| 03:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That's closer.. |
| 03:06.13 | Arrowmaster | i think range is calced in it |
| 03:06.18 | Arrowmaster | can you test? |
| 03:06.44 | Arrowmaster | hit something at range and get value, then get value again when it comes in melee range |
| 03:06.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I just rolled a hunter, let me see |
| 03:07.08 | Industrial | "but only if it doesn't cause a bunch of other problems, like clipping through terrain and making it impossible to see mailboxes in Dalaran." |
| 03:07.12 | Industrial | NERF TAURENS TOO |
| 03:07.17 | Industrial | damn cows anyway |
| 03:07.25 | Industrial | wtb tauren exotic hunter pet |
| 03:07.46 | Arrowmaster | actually the range idea only seems to work with the first value you gave and not the 2nd |
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| 03:10.07 | Antiarc | What's interesting |
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| 03:10.27 | kd3 | roll a gnome or a dwarf and come test with us on pve, those of you with a key |
| 03:10.29 | Antiarc | Is that in a party, the range + relative threat values worked out to the percent that the SCT gave |
| 03:10.38 | Antiarc | I would ,but I'm arenaing :( |
| 03:10.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I autoshot a wolf for 12 |
| 03:11.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It returned 1199.9999731779 |
| 03:11.10 | Antiarc | HAH |
| 03:11.21 | Antiarc | Told you it was 100 : 1 :P |
| 03:11.50 | Antiarc | (5:51:58 PM) Antiarc: It looks like in Blizzard's reckoning, 1 damage = 100 threat or so |
| 03:11.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 03:12.05 | Arrowmaster | sec |
| 03:12.19 | End | gnomes are little short people |
| 03:12.24 | Arrowmaster | ill show you something cool |
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| 03:13.01 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format("%.17g", 12*100) |
| 03:13.01 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 1200 |
| 03:13.06 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format("%.18g", 12*100) |
| 03:13.06 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 1200 |
| 03:13.09 | Arrowmaster | damnit |
| 03:13.12 | Arrowmaster | its not doing it |
| 03:13.15 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 03:13.19 | Arrowmaster | 64bit.... |
| 03:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3 and I are meleeing wolves in Coldridge valley |
| 03:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as I can tell, that is exactly accurate, less the .99999 crap |
| 03:16.19 | Arrowmaster | yeah this rounding crap is annoying |
| 03:17.02 | p3lim | anyone here gotten keys from the giveaway yet? |
| 03:17.04 | Arrowmaster | and so random too |
| 03:17.22 | Arrowmaster | i swear ive gotten it to give me some really fucked up shit before but i cant right now |
| 03:18.43 | p3lim | btw seems like blizzard doesnt like addon devs to "guess" values anymore (no more mobhealth guessing, no more threat guessing, whats next?) |
| 03:19.00 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: bah, need to add my SSH key to that box. sec |
| 03:19.08 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.33 | ScytheBlade1 | smack the wolf beating on me |
| 03:21.48 | Arrowmaster | do we just want to assume that blizz has fucked up their number formatting again and just round all threat values to the nearist int? |
| 03:21.51 | Tekkub | I think I will wirte a LDB feed and name it AreYouThreateninMe |
| 03:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, the values only change after someone else pulls aggro.. |
| 03:22.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Or so far from what I can tell |
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| 03:23.21 | Tekkub | p3lim, I think they decided that we're doing it already with fairly good accuracy, they can either severly cripple the combat log trying to remove that, or just one-up the addons and give us the real data |
| 03:23.46 | Tekkub | ScytheBlade1, only change, or only trigger the event? |
| 03:24.06 | Arrowmaster | wait your own threat values change when somebody else pulls aggro? |
| 03:24.12 | Tekkub | it makes sense that the "situation" changes when the mobs target changes |
| 03:24.13 | p3lim | Tekkub: if they'd go for the remove option it would be straight hell for raiders |
| 03:24.38 | p3lim | but it already seems clear what option they took heh |
| 03:24.53 | p3lim | gonna be so much easier building threat meter addons now |
| 03:25.02 | Tekkub | hell my ass, you don't *need* threat meters :P |
| 03:25.08 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ZA bear run atm |
| 03:25.10 | Tekkub | it's just handy |
| 03:25.17 | kd3 | aight, back to questing for me then |
| 03:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: both |
| 03:25.25 | p3lim | Tekkub: VERY handy (i dont use it neither, beeing MT) |
| 03:26.10 | p3lim | (but running Threat-2.0 standalone for others) |
| 03:26.43 | End | I'd be fucked with no threat meter and no salv |
| 03:26.48 | p3lim | see? :p |
| 03:26.56 | kd3 | meh, we learned how to raid sans threat meters... |
| 03:27.02 | kd3 | I still don't like raiding with them |
| 03:27.02 | End | I nearly always have salv, so it's hard for me to guage how much it takes to pull without it |
| 03:27.05 | Industrial | you wouldnt a few yrs back.... |
| 03:27.07 | Industrial | skill etc |
| 03:27.18 | |pez| | End: then you need to learn to play again. |
| 03:27.25 | Arrowmaster | few years back i just afked on half the bosses |
| 03:27.26 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: fixing that nil error would take more time than I have now :) |
| 03:27.29 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: but it doesn't matter |
| 03:27.31 | Arrowmaster | because i was forced to |
| 03:27.35 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: ahh, the old times |
| 03:27.39 | End | heh |
| 03:27.52 | Arrowmaster | horde warlock in bwl |
| 03:27.55 | p3lim | I remember onyxia phase2 as melee, always went on the can during that phase |
| 03:28.44 | End | Actually, yea, I suppose I would just go afk a lot |
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| 03:29.36 | NightHawkTheSane | melee special attacks could hit ony in p2. >.> |
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| 03:32.45 | p3lim | yeah if you were standing under her |
| 03:32.54 | kd3 | huh. threat values in the tooltip too |
| 03:32.57 | p3lim | but i still went afk during that phase for funsies |
| 03:33.01 | p3lim | yup :O |
| 03:33.02 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: wha? |
| 03:33.14 | kd3 | s/values/percentages/ |
| 03:33.17 | NightHawkTheSane | p3lim: yeah, heh, i went afk onmy warrior, and i was tanking her. ;) |
| 03:33.26 | kd3 | if you hover over a mob you're in combat with in a party |
| 03:33.26 | p3lim | ^_^ |
| 03:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: no more excuses over "not knowing threat" |
| 03:33.35 | kd3 | rofl |
| 03:33.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It's true |
| 03:33.43 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: built in? that's pretty sweet. |
| 03:33.50 | p3lim | NightHawkTheSane: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/july/threatmeter2.jpg |
| 03:33.52 | kd3 | yah. no mods have been written for this yet... |
| 03:34.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It's true though |
| 03:34.24 | p3lim | but is the threat static in the built-in sct? |
| 03:34.27 | NightHawkTheSane | so has it been determined what 100% represents? pulling agro, or the current agro target's threat? |
| 03:34.33 | Antiarc | 100% is aggro |
| 03:34.34 | p3lim | id like to see a video of it in action |
| 03:34.47 | Tekkub | it's spammy from what I've read |
| 03:34.56 | kd3 | is shows over the mob's head like doing damage |
| 03:35.01 | p3lim | id rather see it for myself, but *sigh* |
| 03:35.07 | p3lim | kd3: ok |
| 03:39.05 | Codex| | one pot per encounter and a built in calendar |
| 03:40.29 | Yssaril | the one pot thing shoudl be interesting but i think all classes are getting some sort of mana regen spell |
| 03:40.49 | p3lim | Yssaril: rage? |
| 03:40.57 | Codex| | spell? |
| 03:41.08 | p3lim | so, only mana? |
| 03:43.00 | End | I'm new to this whole dps thing, but thinking about it, I don't think any of my guildies back in the day really knew "how to play" |
| 03:43.07 | Yssaril | at least pallys get a regen 50% of mana spell if i remember right |
| 03:43.13 | End | brood lord was bad for our warlocks |
| 03:43.32 | Yssaril | locks are already coverd with LT mages have evocate |
| 03:43.46 | End | what? I'm talking about threat |
| 03:43.55 | End | oh |
| 03:43.59 | End | you're talking about pot change |
| 03:44.10 | malreth | mana gem, then mana pot, then mana gem, then evocate, then mana gem, then start wanding |
| 03:44.25 | End | how has spirit changed? |
| 03:44.57 | End | I mean |
| 03:45.25 | End | has there been much improvement with regen? The five second rule is still in place, yes? |
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| 03:45.54 | NightHawkTheSane | most spirit regen classes (druid, priest) got a boost with the int scaling, and they all have talents to let a portion of their regen work during the 5sr |
| 03:46.17 | NightHawkTheSane | they may need a few tweaks, but they're pretty well off |
| 03:47.20 | NightHawkTheSane | shaman i'm vaguely concerned about, but there's some water shield changes that look like they might be nice. i wasn't needing to heavily pot as is |
| 03:47.46 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, except fights like najentus, or kaz'rogal) |
| 03:48.13 | *** part/#wowuidev Paene (n=Jim@54-94.candlewood.dynip.msu.edu) |
| 03:52.16 | Codex| | wat do u guys think of the mage focus magic spell that lasts ~10 seconds in raid and costs 1000 mana |
| 03:54.05 | Arrowmaster | whats it do? |
| 03:54.36 | kd3 | 1000 mana? my talent frame says it costs 65... |
| 03:54.55 | kd3 | "Focus your energy on the target, increasing all magic damage taken by that target by 10. Lasts 1 min or until 50 charges are expended." |
| 03:55.35 | Arrowmaster | looks fun |
| 03:55.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i hear it's a new must-have thing. *shrug* |
| 03:56.23 | End | Does it have multiple ranks? |
| 03:57.02 | kd3 | I'd have to check. I'm out whacking mobs in coldrdige atm |
| 03:57.42 | Codex| | kd3: 1000 for the rank7 of it |
| 03:57.45 | Codex| | 65 is rank 1 |
| 03:57.56 | Codex| | at rank 7, target takes +150 spelldmg |
| 03:57.56 | kd3 | ah |
| 03:57.59 | End | that's what I figured |
| 03:58.04 | Codex| | lasts 1 min or 50 charges (maybe 8-10 seconds in raid) |
| 03:58.12 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:58.19 | Arrowmaster | its going to last longer than that |
| 03:58.23 | End | for a while it was showing max rank stuff on the blizz talent calculator |
| 03:58.26 | Codex| | to cast 50 spells on it? |
| 03:58.32 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:58.53 | Codex| | nah it wont last long at all |
| 03:58.57 | Arrowmaster | guessing periodic damage doesnt reduce it? |
| 03:59.02 | Codex| | hopefully not |
| 03:59.13 | End | that'd be retarded if periodic damage reduced it |
| 03:59.14 | Arrowmaster | then it will last longer than 8-10 seconds |
| 03:59.17 | Codex| | and imp scorch nerfed forfire mages :( |
| 03:59.30 | Arrowmaster | everybody been nerfed |
| 03:59.31 | End | it doesn't do 3 or 4 damage types now? |
| 03:59.40 | Codex| | it does, but im a greedy fire mage :P |
| 03:59.48 | Codex| | +10% fire/frost/arcane |
| 03:59.49 | End | what changed? less %? |
| 03:59.50 | End | ah |
| 03:59.51 | Codex| | instead of +15 frost |
| 03:59.56 | Codex| | i mean fie |
| 03:59.58 | Codex| | fire* |
| 04:00.00 | End | yeah |
| 04:00.04 | Arrowmaster | eww |
| 04:00.26 | End | so mage personal dps nerf, but if you have moonkin druids or frost mages it'll be an increase (depending on percise numbers) |
| 04:00.28 | malreth | that's a bit more raid/group friendly |
| 04:00.42 | batrick | Did anybody get their Addon Beta key? |
| 04:00.54 | Codex| | addon beta key? |
| 04:01.00 | malreth | batrick: yeah... i got two, actually |
| 04:01.17 | Yssaril | not yet batrick |
| 04:01.17 | Codex| | whats the addon beta key |
| 04:01.35 | Arrowmaster | malreth: today? |
| 04:01.37 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: wait, you actually got a key from the author beta key thing? |
| 04:01.47 | Yssaril | Codex|: http://www.wowinterface.com/beta.php |
| 04:01.52 | malreth | yeah... a blue one and a red one |
| 04:02.02 | malreth | they're... very nice |
| 04:02.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 04:02.26 | malreth | i LIVE! |
| 04:02.31 | Yssaril | lol |
| 04:02.40 | malreth | ~deus ex machina me |
| 04:02.40 | purl | Improbably at the last moment, malreth is rescued by, oh, let's say... Yssaril. |
| 04:03.07 | Yssaril | bah |
| 04:03.19 | Yssaril | ~slap purl |
| 04:03.20 | purl | ACTION slaps purl, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 04:04.54 | malreth | ~hug Cairenn |
| 04:04.55 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn |
| 04:05.06 | Iriel | How'd you manage 2? |
| 04:05.46 | malreth | Iriel: there is nothing that whoring can't get you |
| 04:05.58 | malreth | except self respect... |
| 04:06.00 | malreth | :( |
| 04:06.03 | kd3 | n'rend's back up |
| 04:06.08 | Tekkub | and abstinence |
| 04:06.22 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: i beg to differ, whoring would mean -someone- would want me. :( |
| 04:06.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 04:06.48 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202271194&postId=85563117764&sid=1#52 |
| 04:06.49 | Tekkub | or that you're cheap enought |
| 04:07.38 | Cairenn | so what's the good word guys - anyone see a key yet? |
| 04:07.47 | Arrowmaster | no =( |
| 04:07.51 | Cairenn | bah |
| 04:08.05 | Arrowmaster | we are being neglected |
| 04:08.11 | Cairenn | I sowwy :( |
| 04:08.36 | malreth | same thing happened last time |
| 04:08.56 | Cairenn | oh god, please don't go there malreth |
| 04:09.05 | End | by last time you mean TBC? hey, we got them eventually |
| 04:09.08 | Duman | ugh |
| 04:09.14 | End | well, most of us did I think |
| 04:09.16 | Cairenn | that was a bloody nightmare, I don't even want to think about how bad that was |
| 04:09.22 | Tekkub | you know what you have to do cair... here's your bulk pack of ribbed condoms |
| 04:09.47 | malreth | yeah... well i'm just saying... |
| 04:09.49 | End | I vaguely recall though, yeah |
| 04:10.02 | Cairenn | it has to be more than a week before I start whoring myself out for you guys Tekkub :p |
| 04:10.03 | End | that did suck, and I wasn't the one dealing with Blizzard :P |
| 04:10.26 | Tekkub | oh so what less that a week's just a little head? |
| 04:10.38 | Cairenn | not |
| 04:10.57 | malreth | a nice relaxing hand job? |
| 04:11.04 | Cairenn | no |
| 04:11.06 | Tekkub | aw come on you know you want to |
| 04:11.26 | Tekkub | slow ken's beard is just screaming "pet me!" |
| 04:13.25 | Tekkub | anyone got a simple UF addon that just tweaks the look of the default frams a bit? |
| 04:13.38 | Tekkub | like say, getting rid of the stupid portrait |
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| 04:19.45 | Wobin | Tekkub: what's your addon site? |
| 04:19.48 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 04:19.55 | Tekkub | .net |
| 04:19.57 | kd3 | "Buffs that have 30 seconds or less remaining will be removed once the game starts. However, the mage spell âInvisibilityâ is not affected by this change." |
| 04:20.23 | kd3 | that's an arena change |
| 04:20.33 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 04:21.24 | End | so, anti frost barrier and whatnot? |
| 04:21.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (n=Antiarc@wsip-70-184-82-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 04:21.47 | End | or at least, anti-ward |
| 04:22.42 | Codex| | is it too late to apply for the addon beta key? |
| 04:22.52 | End | no, but you won't get one as quickly |
| 04:22.52 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 04:23.20 | End | although, I guess there's question of people getting them quickly in general |
| 04:24.29 | malreth | meh... keys get sent out when they get sent out |
| 04:24.34 | NightHawkTheSane | note to self: CARRY A BACKUP SHIELD. >< |
| 04:30.26 | Kirkburn | So I hear Antiarc is a happy chappy |
| 04:30.32 | Antiarc | I am. |
| 04:30.33 | Antiarc | Very. |
| 04:30.40 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 04:31.43 | Kirkburn | Christman has come early to the Omen household |
| 04:31.47 | Kirkburn | er, Christmas |
| 04:32.07 | kd3 | lua>1800/2400 |
| 04:32.07 | lua_bot | kd3: 0.75 |
| 04:32.24 | Kirkburn | It does math?! |
| 04:32.45 | kd3 | when I'm too braindead to realize the simple fraction myself, yup |
| 04:33.53 | Kirkburn | lua>7/3 |
| 04:33.53 | lua_bot | Kirkburn: 2.3333333333333 |
| 04:34.09 | Kirkburn | ooh, but does it round |
| 04:34.24 | Kirkburn | lua>8/3 |
| 04:34.24 | Shirik | lua> math.floor(7/3) |
| 04:34.25 | lua_bot | Kirkburn: 2.6666666666667 |
| 04:34.25 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2 |
| 04:34.36 | Shirik | lua> math.floor(8/3 + 0.5) |
| 04:34.36 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3 |
| 04:34.39 | Shirik | lua> math.floor(7/3 + 0.5) |
| 04:34.39 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2 |
| 04:36.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Keias (n=Dave@c-69-245-192-208.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 04:36.20 | Kirkburn | ooh, but does it blend? |
| 04:36.51 | *** join/#wowuidev NeoTron (n=neotron@c-76-121-238-204.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 04:37.10 | Shirik | --> blend() |
| 04:37.10 | batbot | Shirik: > whirrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 04:37.20 | kd3 | rofl |
| 04:37.55 | *** join/#wowuidev dread (n=dread@c-71-238-222-7.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 04:42.01 | Shirik | woot |
| 04:42.04 | Shirik | Fully functional blender |
| 04:42.15 | Shirik | --> blend("foo", "bar", "baz") |
| 04:42.15 | batbot | Shirik: > zabboofar |
| 04:42.24 | Shirik | --> blend("foo", "bar", "baz") |
| 04:42.24 | batbot | Shirik: > abrbofoaz |
| 04:43.19 | Drundia | what else can it do? |
| 04:43.36 | Drundia | --> blend ("what", "else", "can", "it", "do?") |
| 04:43.36 | batbot | Drundia: > tcestwhaelanido? |
| 04:43.38 | kd3 | -->blend(blend) |
| 04:43.38 | batbot | kd3: @ [string "function blend(...) if select('#', ...) == ..."]:1: attempt to concatenate a function value |
| 04:43.38 | Shirik | --> blend("banana", "blueberry", "coconut", "strawberry") |
| 04:43.38 | batbot | Shirik: > rertstuooreuanbaanblebryccnawbry |
| 04:43.55 | Shirik | kd3: I didn't tostring() :( |
| 04:44.13 | kd3 | lua>1099/593 |
| 04:44.13 | lua_bot | kd3: 1.8532883642496 |
| 04:44.17 | kd3 | hm |
| 04:44.36 | Yssaril | -->blend(1) |
| 04:44.36 | batbot | Yssaril: > 1 |
| 04:44.42 | Yssaril | -->blend(1/45) |
| 04:44.42 | batbot | Yssaril: > 222222222200.2222 |
| 04:44.53 | Drundia | --> 1/45 |
| 04:44.53 | batbot | Drundia: > 0.022222222222222 |
| 04:45.34 | Shirik | --> blend(blend) |
| 04:45.34 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "local oldblend = blend; blend = function(....."]:1: Attempt to commit suicide |
| 04:45.50 | kd3 | har |
| 04:46.07 | Xinhuan | right. |
| 04:46.10 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 04:46.31 | Shirik | This is what happens to programmers at 1 AM |
| 04:46.46 | Drundia | --> blend("Shirik") |
| 04:46.47 | batbot | Drundia: > iShirk |
| 04:46.54 | Kirkburn | And it's all my fault :( |
| 04:46.59 | Drundia | you are nearly not blendable |
| 04:47.02 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, ishirk |
| 04:47.02 | End | blend("waffles") |
| 04:47.05 | End | oops |
| 04:47.07 | End | --> blend("waffles") |
| 04:47.08 | batbot | End: > efwafls |
| 04:47.21 | kd3 | we can't blend waffles? |
| 04:47.32 | End | they blend a bit |
| 04:47.46 | ScytheBlade1 | --> blend("waffles") |
| 04:47.47 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: > lffwaes |
| 04:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Blends well to me |
| 04:48.21 | Shirik | --> blend("waffles", "chocolate chips", blend) |
| 04:48.21 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "local oldblend = blend; blend = function(....."]:1: Attempt to commit suicide |
| 04:48.28 | Shirik | yey, correctly detects there too |
| 04:48.48 | End | blend({}) |
| 04:48.50 | End | gah |
| 04:48.52 | End | --> blend({}) |
| 04:48.52 | batbot | End: @ [string "function blend(...) if select('#', ...) == ..."]:1: attempt to concatenate a table value |
| 04:48.57 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:49.13 | Xinhuan | --> blend("b", "l", "e", "n", "d") |
| 04:49.13 | batbot | Xinhuan: > dnlbe |
| 04:49.15 | Drundia | can we determine name of person bugging bot from inside script? |
| 04:49.16 | Xinhuan | i win! |
| 04:49.24 | End | guess you can't blend tables |
| 04:49.26 | End | ;p |
| 04:49.28 | Shirik | Drundia, not from your level of code, no |
| 04:49.40 | Drundia | :( |
| 04:50.13 | Drundia | --> blend(blender) |
| 04:50.13 | batbot | Drundia: @ [string "function blend(...) if select('#', ...) == ..."]:1: attempt to concatenate a nil value |
| 04:51.25 | Shirik | --> blend{} |
| 04:51.25 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "local oldblend = blend; blend = function(....."]:1: blender blades broken by object |
| 04:51.28 | Shirik | yey |
| 04:51.54 | Drundia | it should also spend some time to repair itself after such |
| 04:52.09 | Drundia | and reply with error("blender is repairing itself") |
| 04:52.21 | batrick | --> local b = debug.getupvalue(blend, 1); blend{} |
| 04:52.21 | batbot | batrick: @ [string "local oldblend = blend; blend = function(....."]:1: blender blades broken by object |
| 04:52.27 | Drundia | or "batbot is buying new blender" |
| 04:52.34 | batrick | --> local b = debug.getupvalue(blend, 1); b{} |
| 04:52.34 | batbot | batrick: @ [string "local b = debug.getupvalue(blend, 1); b{}"]:1: attempt to call local 'b' (a nil value) |
| 04:52.57 | Shirik | batrick's trying to break my codes :( |
| 04:53.12 | Shirik | --> return debug.getupvalue(blend, 1) |
| 04:53.15 | Shirik | --> return debug.getupvalue(blend, 2) |
| 04:53.26 | Shirik | --> return debug.getinfo(blend) |
| 04:53.27 | batbot | Shirik: > table: 0x81370e8 |
| 04:53.31 | batrick | that's wierd |
| 04:53.43 | Shirik | --> for k,v in pairs(debug.getinfo(blend)) do print(k.."="..tostring(v)..", ") end |
| 04:53.43 | batbot | Shirik: nups=0, what=Lua, func=function: 0x813b4b0, lastlinedefined=1, source=local oldblend = blend; blend = function(...) for x = 1, select('#', ...) do if type(select(x, ...)) ~= 'string' and type(select(x,...)) ~= 'number' and (select(x,...))...(tldr) |
| 04:53.46 | Shirik | nups=0? |
| 04:54.10 | Drundia | number of upvalues |
| 04:54.16 | Shirik | yes, but it should be 1 |
| 04:54.26 | Drundia | why? |
| 04:54.32 | Shirik | there's an upvalue |
| 04:54.42 | Shirik | specifically the old closure |
| 04:54.56 | Shirik | --> blend"Foo" |
| 04:54.58 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 04:55.00 | Shirik | I see why now |
| 04:55.06 | Shirik | That hook was wrong |
| 04:55.15 | Shirik | I didn't call the original function >.> |
| 04:55.18 | Shirik | I broke my blender :( |
| 04:55.26 | batrick | owned! |
| 04:56.04 | batrick | !lua local t = debug.getinfo(blend) print(t.source) |
| 04:56.04 | batbot | batrick: function blend(...) if select('#', ...) == 0 then return "whirrrrrrrrrrrrrr" else local s = ""; for x = 1, select('#', ...) do s = s .. select(x, ...); end s = shuffle(s); return s; end end |
| 04:56.25 | Shirik | shh |
| 04:56.26 | Shirik | rebuilding |
| 04:56.36 | Codex| | oh man my triviakillerj ust did something real unpredictable |
| 04:56.44 | Codex| | triviabot asked what was druids t3 called |
| 04:56.50 | Codex| | and triviakiller said "trash mobs" |
| 04:56.52 | Shirik | --> blend"Foo" |
| 04:56.52 | batbot | Shirik: > oFo |
| 04:56.55 | Shirik | --> blend{} |
| 04:56.55 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "local oldblend = blend; blend = function(....."]:1: blender blades broken by object |
| 04:56.59 | Shirik | there we go |
| 04:57.05 | Shirik | --> debug.getinfo(blend).nups |
| 04:57.05 | batbot | Shirik: > 1 |
| 04:57.08 | Shirik | much better |
| 04:57.41 | Drundia | --> print(debug.getinfo(blend).source) |
| 04:57.41 | batbot | Drundia: local oldblend = blend; blend = function(...) for x = 1, select('#', ...) do if type(select(x, ...)) ~= 'string' and type(select(x,...)) ~= 'number' and (select(x,...)) ~= _G.blend then error("blender blades broken by object") end end return...(tldr) |
| 04:57.46 | End | --> blend(0/0) |
| 04:57.46 | batbot | End: > nna |
| 05:00.30 | Shirik | --> math.abs(0/0) |
| 05:00.30 | batbot | Shirik: > nan |
| 05:00.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:00.36 | Shirik | batrick, why does it say nan? |
| 05:00.42 | End | --> 0/0 |
| 05:00.42 | batbot | End: > nan |
| 05:00.47 | Shirik | --> tostring(math.abs(0/0)) |
| 05:00.47 | batbot | Shirik: > nan |
| 05:00.47 | End | :o |
| 05:00.57 | End | that's different |
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| 05:01.09 | Shirik | 0/0 should be -1.#IND |
| 05:01.11 | End | I expected -1.#IND or whatever |
| 05:01.13 | End | yeah |
| 05:01.16 | Shirik | abs(0/0) should be -1.#QNAN |
| 05:01.50 | Shirik | > =0/0 |
| 05:01.50 | Shirik | -1.#IND |
| 05:01.50 | Shirik | > =math.abs(0/0) |
| 05:01.51 | Shirik | 1.#QNAN |
| 05:01.57 | batrick | !lua print(debug.getinfo(shuffle).source) |
| 05:01.57 | batbot | batrick: function shuffle(str) local n = ""; for x = 1, #str do if math.random(0,1) == 0 then n = n .. str:sub(x,x) else n = str:sub(x,x)..n; end end return n; end |
| 05:02.10 | Shirik | oh like my shuffle function? |
| 05:03.02 | malreth | Shirik: remember that bullshit WSJ article i linked this morning? |
| 05:03.08 | Shirik | no |
| 05:03.41 | malreth | the one about how Obama was too un-fat to be taken seriously as the next US president? |
| 05:03.45 | Shirik | oh right |
| 05:03.49 | malreth | http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/10322.html |
| 05:03.51 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: sadly, i know what you mean just by "bullshit wsj article" ;) |
| 05:03.53 | End | ...too un-fat? |
| 05:03.55 | End | wtf? |
| 05:04.36 | End | ok, I've heard all sorts of stupid things |
| 05:04.41 | End | but...too un-fat? |
| 05:04.55 | End | sorry, I'm still wtfing over that. |
| 05:05.18 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that's definitely the "wtf" of the week there, arguably the year. |
| 05:05.33 | malreth | the journalist crafted the story... she herself started the original thread on yahoo groups |
| 05:05.51 | malreth | she trolled for responses and used that as the basis for her article |
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| 05:06.44 | malreth | now she's trying to cover up and hide the evidence |
| 05:07.09 | NightHawkTheSane | but thats okay, google knows all, sees all |
| 05:08.19 | *** part/#wowuidev seebs (n=seebs@home.seebs.net) |
| 05:11.25 | Shirik | that's awesome malreth |
| 05:25.24 | Shirik | does questhelper use CTL? |
| 05:25.35 | Shirik | Because I'm watching my guild's addon channel helping someone debug a DC issue |
| 05:25.46 | Shirik | and she's spamming the addon channel like crazy from QH |
| 05:25.59 | Cairenn | ~api |
| 05:25.59 | purl | somebody said api was (Application Programming Interface) APIs allow you to program to a pre-constructed interface (the API) instead of programming a device or piece of software directly. This allows for faster development, since programming to a device's API is designed to be easier than programming to a device directly. APIs allow you to program without having intimate knowledge of the device or software that you a |
| 05:26.04 | Cairenn | ~wowapi |
| 05:26.05 | purl | (.*?) http://www.wowwiki.com/API_$1 |
| 05:32.20 | ScytheBlade1 | What are you looking for? |
| 05:34.32 | clad|sleep | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.38 | clad|sleep | 8681 (3.0.1) -> 8714 (3.0.1): http://patchdiff.pastey.net/92953 |
| 05:35.09 | Fisker- | Did anyone notice you can now interact with npc's using the target frame? |
| 05:35.19 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 05:35.24 | Tekkub | srsly? |
| 05:35.31 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 05:35.32 | End | that's cool |
| 05:35.37 | End | and good |
| 05:35.59 | clad|sleep | Fisker-: yeah it doesn't work for me tho |
| 05:36.00 | clad|sleep | I get the ! |
| 05:36.00 | End | you could talk to them using the name plates already though |
| 05:36.11 | clad|sleep | but no amount of clicking actually opens their gossup |
| 05:36.17 | Fisker- | :o |
| 05:36.33 | Fisker- | atleast it's coming :D |
| 05:37.19 | Fisker- | also surprised that they had threat built in already |
| 05:37.38 | clad|sleep | i'm sure they've been working on it, why surprised? |
| 05:39.00 | Fisker- | Usually you see some hints to it being there, but in a unfinished state |
| 05:39.07 | clad|sleep | well its a pretty simple system |
| 05:39.08 | Fisker- | but not thie time around, as far as i know |
| 05:39.11 | clad|sleep | :P |
| 05:39.25 | clad|sleep | achievements came in full force as well, as did the tokens system |
| 05:39.33 | Fisker- | well yeah, probably expected more than xx% thread over a mob :P |
| 05:39.34 | clad|sleep | companion stuff, etc :P |
| 05:39.41 | Fisker- | token system was there for a long time |
| 05:39.45 | Fisker- | it's not even working yet |
| 05:39.51 | clad|sleep | the UI code isn't |
| 05:39.54 | clad|sleep | the underlying stuff all is |
| 05:39.59 | clad|sleep | last I checked |
| 05:39.59 | clad|sleep | btu yeah |
| 05:40.08 | clad|sleep | Fisker-: then you were silly ;-) I said after Blizzcon this was what they'd be providing at the most :P |
| 05:40.14 | Fisker- | lol @ tabards |
| 05:40.36 | clad|sleep | brb |
| 05:40.45 | |Jelly| | We can't seem to do Gorefiend :( |
| 05:41.08 | End | Gorefiend is annoying |
| 05:41.29 | Fisker- | http://i36.tinypic.com/141ms95.jpg |
| 05:41.50 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, gorefiend on the whole isn't tricky, it's just rough when people have issues doing constructs. |
| 05:41.56 | Arrowmaster | damn with all the errors im getting trying to manually upgrade ubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 on my old laptop (so that i can then do auto upgrades from 7.04 on) im about to just use my debian testing netinst cd |
| 05:43.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah fuck this im just going to install debian on it instead |
| 05:44.33 | End | ubuntu does do some weird things with its packages sometimes |
| 05:45.03 | Arrowmaster | did clad not have the achievement addon loaded when he made that diff? |
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| 05:48.20 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: did you not have the achievement addon loaded when you ran that script? |
| 05:48.48 | cladhaire | The script is always run from a completely clean client |
| 05:49.11 | cladhaire | so last build, those function were already loaded, whereas this time they weren't. |
| 05:49.34 | Tekkub | they made the "addon" LoD |
| 05:51.31 | Arrowmaster | well its not like i have a beta key and would know this kinda stuff on my own |
| 05:51.39 | End | QQ |
| 05:51.57 | Tekkub | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree |
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| 05:52.06 | Tekkub | :P I knew from skimming the diff |
| 05:52.46 | Duman | lol |
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| 06:02.02 | Cairenn | oy vey! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557369392&sid=1 |
| 06:03.34 | Cairenn | it's not paranoia if someone is actually out to get you? |
| 06:03.59 | NightHawkTheSane | 'just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you'? |
| 06:04.38 | End | If it is sensitive enough to encrypt, why would you send it through WoW? o_O |
| 06:04.50 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 06:05.34 | Cairenn | I mean, seriously, wtf? |
| 06:05.54 | Ackis | It helps me plot to blow shit up |
| 06:06.04 | End | maybe...it's for the crazy mod contest! |
| 06:06.25 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:06.45 | Cairenn | I can also see Blizz getting bent over it |
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| 06:07.39 | Tekkub | o/~ paranoia paranoia everyone's coming to get me! o/~ |
| 06:07.47 | Dashkal | Gonna go out on a limb and guess nobody got theirs |
| 06:07.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not sure why they'd particularly mind? |
| 06:08.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: seems not so far. hopefully next week |
| 06:08.33 | Dashkal | kk "good". I just wanted to be sure I didn't miss it or something |
| 06:08.48 | Ackis | Fisker-: why lol at tabbards? |
| 06:09.30 | Tekkub | OMG the gov't is gonna know I'm a big old mo because me toon is named Balllicker... I'd better encrypt it.... |
| 06:10.07 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.20 | Ackis | what about ibombamericans ? |
| 06:10.41 | Tekkub | Osama (Ork marlock) |
| 06:10.48 | Ackis | haha |
| 06:10.50 | Tekkub | s/m/w/ |
| 06:11.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lua>719*3 |
| 06:11.06 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 2157 |
| 06:11.44 | NightHawkTheSane | argh. i was searching for something about 'perl' and typed 'purl' into google. >< |
| 06:12.45 | End | not as bad as me... once I was being silly and trying to make up another spelling for perl, and I typed pearl without realizing it was already a word |
| 06:13.05 | Duman | wtf |
| 06:13.09 | Duman | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557249883&sid=2000 |
| 06:13.35 | Duman | I don't understand why asstards like that even bother to post ridiculous crap like that... heh :) |
| 06:13.51 | Ackis | There is a script command that you could use to make the macro turn on auto loot, pick pocket, turn off auto loot, and cheap shot. I don't know what it is off the top of my head though :(. |
| 06:13.55 | Ackis | aroo/ |
| 06:21.20 | Rabbitbunny | If you happen to know web design past Dreamweaver google search for 'Sight design by B&B ENTRPRISES" might give you the same side pains it did to me... |
| 06:21.20 | cladhaire | lol trying to clone a 30 meg repository sucks when my upstream bandwidth is capped to 40k |
| 06:21.20 | Ackis | hmm doesn't seem to work |
| 06:22.05 | Duman | clad: slow upload speeds pain me :-( |
| 06:22.29 | Duman | at least my DSl will generally do 700kbps, consistently |
| 06:22.49 | Duman | well, like 80KB/s or whatever |
| 06:24.17 | cladhaire | yeah i'm half that max =/ |
| 06:25.53 | cladhaire | http://www.redcarpetemp.com/ is such the win |
| 06:26.04 | cladhaire | <marquee>I win!</marquee> |
| 06:30.21 | Ackis | http://ace.pastey.net/92956 why the hell doesn't that work? |
| 06:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Becauses you're using the Ace pastey. 8) |
| 06:31.08 | Ackis | :P |
| 06:31.14 | Ackis | it's quciker for me to type |
| 06:31.45 | End | well |
| 06:31.52 | End | it has no pockets to pick |
| 06:31.59 | End | oh, why it doesn't work for YOU |
| 06:32.07 | End | :P |
| 06:32.10 | Shirik | you know |
| 06:32.19 | Shirik | in programming languages, there are a lot of things that are possible that should never be done |
| 06:32.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Like letting Shirik use any of them |
| 06:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | (the languages) |
| 06:32.48 | Shirik | having this as a member of one of your classes is one of them: http://wowi.pastey.net/92957 |
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| 06:33.42 | NightHawkTheSane | your code hurts my head, shirik. |
| 06:33.54 | Shirik | it hurts my head |
| 06:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I just wanted to say |
| 06:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | 02:32 < ScytheBlade1> Like letting Shirik use any of them |
| 06:34.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I called it |
| 06:34.28 | Ackis | ugh I don't know what's up w/ that macro |
| 06:34.58 | Shirik | it gets better when you realize that is inside of another union |
| 06:35.03 | Shirik | so you have |
| 06:35.36 | Shirik | SercomMessageBlob::SercomMessage::Message::<Anonymous>::<Anonymous>::<Anonymous>::data |
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| 06:36.48 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It may have no been you, but thanks for the threat info! =] |
| 06:37.06 | Shirik | haha |
| 06:37.08 | AlexanderYoshi | You're welcome. |
| 06:37.08 | ScytheBlade1 | *not |
| 06:37.23 | Antiarc | Yoooooooshi :D |
| 06:37.24 | AlexanderYoshi | I pushed it through, but it was Sloukenn and Rislyn that made it happen. |
| 06:37.25 | Shirik | but yes, threat stuffs look <3 <3 |
| 06:37.26 | Antiarc | Thaaaank you :D |
| 06:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Now we just need the other building blocks to make it all work |
| 06:37.35 | Antiarc | <3 <# <# |
| 06:37.37 | Thunder_Child | ~moo |
| 06:37.37 | purl | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
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| 06:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | AlexanderYoshi: well, we thank them too. :) |
| 06:38.30 | AlexanderYoshi | Awesome ;-) |
| 06:38.35 | AlexanderYoshi | Thank them on the forums |
| 06:38.38 | AlexanderYoshi | They'll appreciate it |
| 06:38.42 | Antiarc | I'll make a point of it |
| 06:38.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Will we get a nice little write-up (would you know?) or should we just keep hacking at the random returns we get? |
| 06:38.56 | AlexanderYoshi | uhm |
| 06:39.00 | AlexanderYoshi | I believe you get |
| 06:39.02 | ScytheBlade1 | We know a few but not all |
| 06:39.10 | AlexanderYoshi | 0-100% of aggro pull threat |
| 06:39.19 | Cairenn | I'm sure Slouken will post them at some point, per usual |
| 06:39.19 | AlexanderYoshi | 110-130% of the tanks threat |
| 06:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | 1, 6, 100, 100, 34397.999231145 |
| 06:39.39 | AlexanderYoshi | And the biggest thing is that the notifications don't start until you're at 75% of the target's threat |
| 06:39.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, bam, that's the key that I was looking for |
| 06:39.58 | AlexanderYoshi | Might be 80 |
| 06:40.02 | Ackis | was the release date for wotlk released? |
| 06:40.07 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 06:40.16 | AlexanderYoshi | I believe Mike said |
| 06:40.19 | Ackis | ScytheBlade1: aren't you supposed to be fixing my macro? :P |
| 06:40.23 | AlexanderYoshi | "We believe it will be this year, near the end sometime" |
| 06:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Ackis: "no" =] |
| 06:40.44 | Ackis | AlexanderYoshi: wasn't sure if it was an exact date or a time frame that was released |
| 06:40.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Ackis: I think it's something to do with how macros execute. I'm no rogue expect, however |
| 06:41.00 | Ackis | ScytheBlade1: I think it's due to lagish issues |
| 06:41.00 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: don't wanna hear you bugging me about sleeping again :p |
| 06:41.00 | Cairenn | (2008-08-02 02:33:55) ***ScytheBlade1 sleeps |
| 06:41.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: I was about to hit lock screen when he popped in :P |
| 06:41.27 | Duman | haha |
| 06:41.28 | Cairenn | uh huh |
| 06:41.36 | Ackis | ScytheBlade1: I turn auto loot on, and cast pick pocket, but before the screen to loot comes up I turn auto loot off |
| 06:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Two minutes! TWO! |
| 06:41.41 | AlexanderYoshi | L-P |
| 06:41.44 | Ackis | I need to add a 1-2 second delay |
| 06:41.54 | AlexanderYoshi | If only women stopped and hung around when I entered a room! |
| 06:42.09 | Duman | lol |
| 06:42.10 | AlexanderYoshi | Sheesh! |
| 06:42.15 | ScytheBlade1 | AlexanderYoshi: in any case, <3 |
| 06:42.20 | AlexanderYoshi | Thanks. |
| 06:42.21 | ScytheBlade1 | (even if I'm no woman =)) |
| 06:42.27 | Ackis | stop and laugh? :P |
| 06:42.29 | AlexanderYoshi | eh, it's a start :-) |
| 06:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Cairenn |
| 06:42.39 | purl | DoSes Cairenn |
| 06:42.45 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:42.54 | Cairenn | sweet dreams |
| 06:44.21 | Ackis | so is there a way to add a delay for a protected macro command? I know ace library has /in but that's for chat type things |
| 06:44.34 | Iriel | no |
| 06:44.38 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 06:44.55 | Ackis | Iriel: you aren't making my life easier :( |
| 06:45.03 | Dashkal | Ackis: Turn autoloot on and adapt so it is your normal |
| 06:45.08 | End | sure he is. he gave you a quick answer. |
| 06:45.19 | Ackis | Dashkal: autoloot is the devil for me =/ |
| 06:45.23 | Dashkal | learn to shift-loot in instances |
| 06:45.24 | Fisker- | nooooooooooooooooooo u |
| 06:45.25 | End | unless you want him to lie to you :P |
| 06:45.28 | Thunder_Child | someone i know is having a "wet dream" experiance about the "bear mount with baby murloc holding blizzcon flag" item |
| 06:45.36 | End | Thunder_Child: is it you? |
| 06:45.42 | Thunder_Child | End, no |
| 06:45.47 | Thunder_Child | i would say me |
| 06:46.02 | End | yeah, I suppose you would |
| 06:46.05 | Ackis | Dashkal: my issue comes with pickpocketing and when I open junkboxes |
| 06:46.15 | End | but then again, I didn't think you knew anyone |
| 06:46.21 | End | :-P |
| 06:46.31 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: your actually having issues with a pickpocket macro? |
| 06:46.40 | Dashkal | Ackis: Playing my rogue is the reason I learned to leave autoloot on |
| 06:46.44 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: yes, I'm special and I have issues with everything :P |
| 06:47.04 | Arrowmaster | i hope you know you cant disable it in the macro |
| 06:47.10 | Arrowmaster | or it wont work |
| 06:47.17 | Thunder_Child | End, if they dont, they will soon enough |
| 06:47.18 | Arrowmaster | you have to delay it |
| 06:47.36 | Fisker- | that's racism |
| 06:47.38 | Ackis | that's what I'm trying to do |
| 06:47.52 | Fisker- | trying to join the russian servers "omg you're joining a realm with another realm language" |
| 06:47.56 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: http://ace.pastey.net/92958 |
| 06:48.04 | Ackis | Fisker-: russian servers join you |
| 06:48.08 | Fisker- | trying to join spanish, german or french realms "lol welcome" |
| 06:48.12 | End | that's more like...localism |
| 06:48.23 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: wow neither of those are even close |
| 06:48.28 | Arrowmaster | i said delay it |
| 06:48.36 | Ackis | that's my first attempt :P |
| 06:48.48 | Fisker- | nah End |
| 06:48.52 | Ackis | like 20 mins ago |
| 06:48.55 | Fisker- | it's supposed to keep the russian accounts out |
| 06:48.58 | Fisker- | not the european account ;_; |
| 06:49.02 | Fisker- | accounts* |
| 06:49.11 | Arrowmaster | change the last line of the first one to delay that command |
| 06:49.19 | Arrowmaster | you have /in |
| 06:49.27 | Fisker- | i.e. i mean EU should could access all realms, russian should only could access russian realms :o |
| 06:49.51 | Ackis | won't work because it's protected? |
| 06:49.59 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 06:50.29 | End | if it was protected, /script wouldn't work |
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| 06:50.42 | Ackis | wait, I had tried to delay /cast earlier |
| 06:50.53 | End | I mean, using /in on a /script should be no problem at all :P |
| 06:51.07 | Ackis | I shouldn't be allowed near code/macros with how moranish I am |
| 06:51.26 | Arrowmaster | we know |
| 06:51.36 | Dashkal | ~pat ackis |
| 06:51.37 | purl | ACTION pats ackis and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 06:51.48 | End | The improved Ackis, now with 20% more moran! |
| 06:51.49 | Ackis | :( |
| 06:51.54 | Dashkal | :p |
| 06:52.00 | Ackis | Arrowmaster I know you're secretly a fan of mine |
| 06:52.09 | Fisker- | ah |
| 06:52.10 | Diskmaster | haha |
| 06:52.17 | Fisker- | they still haven't fixed the authenticator bug |
| 06:52.18 | Fisker- | <2 |
| 06:52.20 | Fisker- | <3 |
| 06:52.58 | Dashkal | ok sleep time |
| 06:52.58 | Ackis | Fisker-: why were you lol tabards earlier? |
| 06:53.30 | Fisker- | because you suck Ackis |
| 06:54.02 | Ackis | isn't it because I touch myself at night? |
| 06:54.14 | Fisker- | yeah exactly |
| 06:54.46 | Thunder_Child | lol, Ackis, you are not the first and wont be the last |
| 06:55.11 | Fisker- | you know what sucks Ackis ? |
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| 06:55.40 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: about touching myself or grumbling about the wow forums? |
| 06:55.42 | Ackis | Fisker-: me? |
| 06:55.44 | Thunder_Child | the wow fourms Fisker-? |
| 06:56.00 | Fisker- | yeah Ackis you |
| 06:56.14 | Ackis | :P |
| 06:56.17 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child i can't make new characters ;_; |
| 06:56.18 | Fisker- | also |
| 06:56.24 | Fisker- | i r unable to connect now |
| 06:56.35 | Fisker- | so now i might as well kill Ackis |
| 06:56.38 | Ackis | ~love Arrowmaster |
| 06:56.39 | purl | If you love Arrowmaster so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 06:56.44 | Ackis | Fisker-: you can't kill me |
| 06:57.24 | Fisker- | i can |
| 06:57.59 | Ackis | NO U |
| 06:58.07 | Ackis | you going to blizzcon Fisker-? |
| 06:59.00 | Fisker- | your mom |
| 06:59.27 | Ackis | I was thinking you and I could have a romantic dinner together |
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| 07:04.26 | Thunder_Child | i would LOVE for Fisker- to be at blizzcon |
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| 07:08.59 | Tekkub | would you love for me to be there more? |
| 07:09.17 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 07:09.29 | Thunder_Child | but i would like it if you were there |
| 07:09.48 | Tekkub | I don't have the money to go relly QQ |
| 07:09.53 | Tekkub | *really |
| 07:10.40 | Thunder_Child | $100 travel fare + acomidations |
| 07:10.54 | Tekkub | *2 |
| 07:12.42 | Thunder_Child | + blizzcon store + misc. |
| 07:12.52 | Thunder_Child | so.....say, $300 i am sure |
| 07:13.46 | Thunder_Child | wtb new patch notes |
| 07:25.26 | Tekkub | http://picasaweb.google.com/Tekkub/Misc/photo?authkey=TFDdD9rSDPQ#5229818084278561010 |
| 07:25.27 | Tekkub | ... |
| 07:25.32 | Tekkub | dare I go further? |
| 07:25.51 | AlexanderYoshi | Do not |
| 07:25.56 | AlexanderYoshi | you will most certainly die |
| 07:26.02 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, yes |
| 07:26.19 | Thunder_Child | i have ad in the hundered |
| 07:26.20 | Thunder_Child | s |
| 07:26.34 | Tekkub | this other guy just ran into it and back out |
| 07:27.10 | Tekkub | and a NPC just came out of it |
| 07:27.20 | End | It's a trap! |
| 07:27.27 | Tekkub | AHAHAHAHAHAH I LIVED! |
| 07:27.37 | End | AlexanderYoshi lied to you! |
| 07:28.37 | Tekkub | http://picasaweb.google.com/Tekkub/Misc/photo?authkey=TFDdD9rSDPQ#5229818924213735042 |
| 07:28.40 | Tekkub | the other side |
| 07:28.50 | AlexanderYoshi | nwahahah |
| 07:29.13 | AlexanderYoshi | You only think you're on the other side |
| 07:29.16 | AlexanderYoshi | you were actually destroyed |
| 07:29.16 | Fisker- | dalaran trap is fail >* |
| 07:29.17 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:29.24 | AlexanderYoshi | and a new you has always existed on that other side |
| 07:29.34 | AlexanderYoshi | pondering if he should cross |
| 07:30.07 | Ackis | a new and improved you? |
| 07:30.35 | Ackis | I should come gank you Tekkub |
| 07:32.09 | Rabbitbunny | Ackis: You did Recipe List? |
| 07:32.17 | Ackis | yes I'm sorry |
| 07:32.32 | Rabbitbunny | heh |
| 07:32.43 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, my hearth still takes me to the top of ebon hold so i win |
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| 07:33.04 | Tekkub | heh |
| 07:33.12 | Rabbitbunny | I got it from curse, Lib-Babble-Faction didn't come with. Where did you release it? |
| 07:33.25 | Rabbitbunny | /it/ARL/ |
| 07:33.31 | Ackis | really? |
| 07:33.41 | Rabbitbunny | Seriously. |
| 07:34.07 | Ackis | looking into it now |
| 07:34.38 | Ackis | hmmm it's in the wowace zip |
| 07:34.47 | Ackis | try http://files.wowace.com/AckisRecipeList/AckisRecipeList.zip |
| 07:34.52 | Rabbitbunny | It was why I actually viewed source, messed with trying to recreate it, starting figuring out Lua, and why I found this channel to bother everyone. |
| 07:35.03 | Rabbitbunny | So uh... everyone. It's his fault. |
| 07:35.15 | End | so we can blame Ackis? |
| 07:35.21 | Ackis | everyone already blames me |
| 07:35.23 | Rabbitbunny | Yup. |
| 07:35.33 | Ackis | except Tekkub because we don't like each other |
| 07:36.10 | Thunder_Child | i dont blame you yet Ackis, i dont know you well enough |
| 07:36.12 | Ackis | hmmm lib babble faction is in it on curse |
| 07:36.33 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: just wait |
| 07:36.43 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, i am |
| 07:36.47 | Ackis | :P |
| 07:37.02 | Thunder_Child | but i am impatient....hury it up |
| 07:37.14 | Ackis | didn't my issue with the macro earlier help? :P |
| 07:37.27 | Thunder_Child | or my failstick will come out |
| 07:37.33 | Ackis | ohhh I wonder if they implemented my function in wrath... gettradeskillspeciality |
| 07:38.05 | Ackis | Rabbitbunny: let me know the url please |
| 07:39.53 | Rabbitbunny | ... You don't edit your readme's per source? |
| 07:40.05 | Ackis | me? |
| 07:40.10 | Rabbitbunny | Yeah |
| 07:40.15 | Ackis | I have a readme? |
| 07:41.32 | Ackis | some site bastardizing my mods again? /cry |
| 07:41.39 | Ackis | I blame Thunder_Child |
| 07:41.52 | End | I'm already blaming you, Ackis |
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| 07:42.03 | Thunder_Child | ~blame Ackis |
| 07:42.04 | purl | ACTION blames Ackis (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 07:42.15 | Ackis | yay! |
| 07:42.17 | Thunder_Child | lol, it's still like that |
| 07:43.43 | Ackis | where from? |
| 07:43.53 | Thunder_Child | just outside of toronto |
| 07:44.14 | Ackis | ahh Edmonton here |
| 07:44.17 | Thunder_Child | well it was...the town i was born in no longer exists |
| 07:44.27 | Thunder_Child | it got swallowed by toronto |
| 07:45.00 | End | I read that as swallowed by a tornado at first |
| 07:45.22 | Ackis | hah |
| 07:46.01 | Fisker- | Ackis you are going to die |
| 07:46.02 | Fisker- | by my hand |
| 07:46.39 | Ackis | why? |
| 07:46.44 | Ackis | death by hand job? |
| 07:47.17 | Thunder_Child | you can only dream Ackis |
| 07:48.03 | Ackis | oh I do |
| 07:49.31 | Shirik | lua> return string.format("%q", (" foo \t"):match("^%s*(.-)%s*$")) |
| 07:49.31 | lua_bot | Shirik: "foo" |
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| 07:50.28 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 07:51.09 | Rabbitbunny | Ackis: Yeah, You probably don't need to worry about it. Remember 0.88? Someone was giving it out without lib-babble-faction... |
| 07:51.31 | Ackis | who was someone? |
| 07:51.31 | Shirik | wb Cairenn, we missed you! |
| 07:51.35 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:51.37 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 07:52.09 | Thunder_Child | we? |
| 07:52.15 | Cairenn | :( |
| 07:52.44 | zenzelezz | meh, it's only TC, his opinion is irrelevant anyway |
| 07:53.12 | Ackis | Shirik: what were we throwing at her? |
| 07:53.18 | Thunder_Child | thats besides the point zenzelezz |
| 07:53.36 | zenzelezz | I'm usually besides the point |
| 07:53.41 | Shirik | Cairenn shouldn't be awake anyway |
| 07:53.46 | Thunder_Child | true |
| 07:53.49 | Cairenn | you're a fine one to talk |
| 07:53.54 | Shirik | hey, I'm busy coding |
| 07:53.58 | Shirik | if you'd like to take over, be my guest |
| 07:53.59 | zenzelezz | Shirik: why, you slipped her something? |
| 07:54.06 | Thunder_Child | yes but Shirik never says he cant sleep |
| 07:54.07 | Cairenn | and I'm busy keeping an eye on the sites |
| 07:55.06 | Thunder_Child | ~shield Cairenn |
| 07:55.15 | Thunder_Child | and yet again purl |
| 07:55.52 | zenzelezz | no need for that, Cairenn could kick my ass anyway |
| 07:56.04 | Rabbitbunny | Ackis: Afraid I've got no way to tell past 'iirc' |
| 07:56.25 | Ackis | Rabbitbunny: just concerned that a site is hosting an outdated version, makes my life miserable |
| 07:56.36 | Rabbitbunny | s/is/was/ |
| 07:57.22 | Rabbitbunny | sed emulation was cool the first time, nifty a few times after that... but now... not so much. |
| 07:57.23 | Thunder_Child | acwas? |
| 07:57.26 | Ackis | anyone know the spellid for inscription off the top of their head? |
| 07:57.26 | Thunder_Child | ackwas* |
| 07:57.30 | Thunder_Child | lolz |
| 07:57.43 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: better than Asskis |
| 07:57.59 | Thunder_Child | i read that as ackward at first |
| 08:00.09 | Cairenn | bass ackwards |
| 08:00.47 | Ackis | :P |
| 08:00.54 | Thunder_Child | just like one of Cairenn's pictures.... |
| 08:01.00 | Cairenn | :p |
| 08:01.48 | zenzelezz | can only wonder what pictures we'll get this year... Cairenn running away from anything with a camera |
| 08:02.08 | Thunder_Child | better..as..err...all around shots... |
| 08:02.23 | Cairenn | ... |
| 08:02.46 | Thunder_Child | and i would like to thank tierrie for starting this lovely tradition |
| 08:03.08 | Ackis | lua> foo = {["bar"] = false, ["bar1"] = false};return foo["bar2"] |
| 08:03.08 | lua_bot | Ackis: nil |
| 08:03.11 | Ackis | lua> foo = {["bar"] = false, ["bar1"] = false};return foo["bar1"] |
| 08:03.11 | lua_bot | Ackis: false |
| 08:07.51 | Ackis | wot? |
| 08:08.58 | Fisker- | i am unable to be stopped so.. |
| 08:11.07 | Thunder_Child | "sir, what would you like for dinner, a steak or two steaks?" "can i have both?" "of course sir" |
| 08:11.18 | Ackis | mmm 3 steaks |
| 08:13.46 | Shirik | lua> math.log(512)/math.log(2) |
| 08:13.46 | lua_bot | Shirik: 9 |
| 08:14.00 | Ackis | lua> return 9 |
| 08:14.00 | lua_bot | Ackis: 9 |
| 08:14.02 | Ackis | see |
| 08:14.09 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:14.27 | Ackis | I can return 9 also! |
| 08:14.32 | Shirik | I need a calculator! |
| 08:14.52 | Ackis | hehe |
| 08:15.54 | Arrowmaster | so who wants to pay for my trip to blizcon? |
| 08:16.06 | Nom- | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9873-CalendarExport.html <-- someone in beta want to try that? I hope I fixed the code problem with it :) |
| 08:18.51 | Arrowmaster | wow, i cant believe what cd i just pulled out of my laptop |
| 08:19.04 | Nom- | diablo 2 ? |
| 08:19.16 | Arrowmaster | xubuntu 6.10 install cd from back when i installed it |
| 08:19.25 | Nom- | lol |
| 08:19.32 | Arrowmaster | shows how much i actually used it |
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| 08:23.07 | Arrowmaster | although a battery that doesnt hold a charge might have had something to do with it |
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| 08:31.38 | Rabbitbunny | uh... Hmm. I've got this little menu bit that toggles whether to show zone or session data up on the fubar button-thing... I need a tooltip that doesn't make me look like a retard. "Toggles displaying session data on the FuBar button thing up there"... Hints? |
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| 08:33.57 | Corrodias | sorry, my answer to thinks is usually to throw more porn at it |
| 08:34.07 | Rabbitbunny | I'll try that. |
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| 08:48.01 | Shirik | lua> return bit |
| 08:48.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: table: 0x68d1b0 |
| 08:48.24 | Shirik | lua> assert(0x33 == bit.bnot(0xCC) % 256) |
| 08:48.24 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 08:48.39 | Shirik | I should not be doing this at 5 AM |
| 08:49.04 | End | I'm telling myself something similar |
| 08:50.08 | End | great, the sounds made when making changes to the action bar aren't generated by PlaySound :( |
| 08:51.54 | Ackis | lua> if (not foo or foo["test"]) then return 1 end |
| 08:51.54 | lua_bot | Ackis: 1 |
| 08:52.54 | Rabbitbunny | You know, the fir 90% of this is fun, once it starts working the 'pretty' part is not as much fun. |
| 08:53.01 | Rabbitbunny | /fir/first/ |
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| 08:59.24 | Fisker- | Ackis |
| 08:59.29 | Fisker- | my goods are of the highest quality |
| 08:59.31 | Fisker- | ;))) |
| 09:00.15 | End | sounds like your goods are good |
| 09:01.03 | Ackis | you have goods? |
| 09:02.44 | Fisker- | ¤"!¤"!¤"! |
| 09:02.56 | Fisker- | so here i was walking peacefully around Dalaran |
| 09:03.07 | Fisker- | and i see a tauren, blood elf and a gnome disappear in a building |
| 09:03.10 | Fisker- | so i follow them |
| 09:03.23 | Fisker- | and then i realize that it was that abracadabra building |
| 09:03.23 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 09:03.30 | Fisker- | trapped again :( |
| 09:04.07 | Fisker- | oh god |
| 09:04.12 | End | I thought you were leading up to a joke |
| 09:04.20 | End | So a tauren and blood elf and a gnome walk into a bar |
| 09:04.21 | Fisker- | stupid walls |
| 09:04.24 | End | And the bar keeper says |
| 09:04.25 | End | meow |
| 09:04.30 | Fisker- | DAMN YOU |
| 09:04.52 | Fisker- | http://i38.tinypic.com/15n6mwi.jpg <-HOW DID THIS HAPPEN!? |
| 09:06.06 | Fisker- | http://i34.tinypic.com/5k2cqv.jpg <-hopefully a GM will be along before the beta ends |
| 09:11.15 | Nom- | heh |
| 09:12.06 | Shirik | Hrm, that's probably not good |
| 09:12.30 | Shirik | "[gcc qas closed] To help protect your computer, 'gcc' was terminated by Data Execution Prevention. Click here to learn more..." |
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| 09:13.40 | NeoTron | so it seems SPELL_AURA_REFRESHED does not work on live. anyone know if it works on the PTR? |
| 09:20.08 | NeoTron | man so dumb. there's no SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS either. only SPELL_CAST_START |
| 09:23.27 | Fisker- | harr harr Shirik |
| 09:23.31 | Fisker- | you has buffar overflåw |
| 09:24.21 | Cairenn | hey Xinhuan, you happen to be here atm? |
| 09:25.22 | zenzelezz | NeoTron: did you try UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED? Bear in mind I haven't used these myself so I can't recall which ones work and which don't anymore |
| 09:25.35 | Cairenn | ~seen Xinhuan |
| 09:25.37 | purl | xinhuan is currently on #wowuidev #wowace. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 4h 36m 21s, last said: 'i win!'. |
| 09:25.45 | Cairenn | bleh, sleeping |
| 09:27.26 | Shirik | woot, everything compiles. Now to commit and go to bed |
| 09:27.36 | Nom- | lol |
| 09:27.47 | Nom- | You're not setting the bar very high on bed ready :P |
| 09:27.52 | zenzelezz | Shirik: just because you're ready to commit doesn't mean she'll take you to bed |
| 09:28.01 | Shirik | >< |
| 09:29.15 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:29.21 | Shirik | owned by my own checks |
| 09:29.22 | Shirik | Error: 'pre-commit' hook failed with error output: |
| 09:29.23 | Shirik | Error: In trunk/sercom/SerialBuffer.h:82 |
| 09:29.23 | Shirik | Error: Tab character found. Replace with spaces. |
| 09:30.25 | Nom- | hahah |
| 09:30.30 | Nom- | that's quality owned |
| 09:31.05 | Shirik | there we go, all done |
| 09:33.30 | Daedals | omg still no beta key |
| 09:34.12 | Daedals | luckily client 100% downloaded ^^ |
| 09:35.06 | Nom- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQoTro9WfbQ <-- oo that's perdy |
| 09:35.17 | Nom- | yeah, mine hasn't even been sent yet |
| 09:35.22 | Nom- | coz i missed the first batch |
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| 09:39.02 | jaxdahl | Daedals, did you get the patches though? |
| 09:39.19 | Nom- | I'm fully downloaded, installed and patched too |
| 09:39.22 | Nom- | Just waiting for the key |
| 09:39.49 | Daedals | not yet |
| 09:39.57 | Daedals | im installing atm |
| 09:39.58 | jaxdahl | well you can do that by running launcher now |
| 09:40.01 | jaxdahl | ah ok |
| 09:40.10 | Nom- | You might want to... there's like 500mb of patches |
| 09:40.26 | Nom- | maybe not that much.. but one of them was definately 200+mB |
| 09:41.36 | Nom- | oo what's the new threat data in the latest patch ? |
| 09:41.52 | Nom- | http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/954/screenshot080208015359yj7.jpg |
| 09:42.22 | NeoTron | Nom-: heaven comes to mind |
| 09:42.27 | NeoTron | Savior of Antiarc |
| 09:43.25 | Nom- | i just wonder if that's proper threat information, or just an event sent by the server to say you're at 60% threat or something |
| 09:44.13 | NeoTron | Nom-: proper threat information |
| 09:44.18 | NeoTron | as in relative and absolute numbers |
| 09:44.35 | NeoTron | where relative = 100% => have aggro <100% don't have aggro |
| 09:44.44 | NeoTron | basically everything you need |
| 09:45.10 | NeoTron | with LibBars-1.0 I think you can implement a very basic single target threat meter in like 30 lines of code |
| 09:45.58 | Nom- | wow... that's epic |
| 09:46.20 | Daedals | yeah :d |
| 09:46.22 | Daedals | :D |
| 09:48.11 | Nom- | can you get others' threat too, or just your own? |
| 09:48.26 | NeoTron | GetThreatDetailedSituation("raid10", "target") |
| 09:48.26 | Nom- | i suppose you can have an addon share the info anyway, self is all that's important |
| 09:48.35 | Nom- | Holy crap... that's so awesome |
| 09:48.52 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 09:48.58 | NeoTron | the one situation it can't handle is aoe threat |
| 09:49.08 | NeoTron | if mobs aren't target you can't get threat data on them |
| 09:49.13 | nevcairiel | that mode was pure fail anyway =P |
| 09:49.20 | Nom- | bah so what? aoe threat was never easy to do |
| 09:49.23 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I like it man saves my butt |
| 09:49.37 | NeoTron | but you can still do it except now you'll have EXACT threat numbers ofr abilities and such |
| 09:49.59 | NeoTron | making a lot easier (plus you can "sync" threat on every mob that is targeted |
| 09:49.59 | nevcairiel | at least we can figure the exact numbers out using the API |
| 09:50.09 | nevcairiel | but i doubt AoE mode will be done anytime soon, heh |
| 09:50.25 | Nom- | yeah, there was always complexities of aoe tho... like mobs which aren't in the aoe radius, boss mobs which aren't being attacked etc etc |
| 09:50.29 | nevcairiel | You can also use raid10target etc, so no need to really "sync" |
| 09:50.38 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: that's what I meant really |
| 09:50.43 | NeoTron | and why I said "sync" not sync |
| 09:50.46 | Nom- | what this does solve, however, is threat checks for single target dps |
| 09:50.56 | nevcairiel | ya |
| 09:51.04 | nevcairiel | thats what 95% of the people use anyway |
| 09:51.07 | NeoTron | it's a very good thing |
| 09:51.12 | Nom- | your rogues can now go nuts on single targets in aoe situations, and know how much threat they've got |
| 09:51.16 | NeoTron | aoe is nice but rarely something I really need |
| 09:51.24 | Nom- | that's an immense improvement over the current situation |
| 09:51.24 | NeoTron | I just trust my tanks to taunt :P |
| 09:51.35 | nevcairiel | now we can focus our efforts on a nice Omen3 |
| 09:51.39 | nevcairiel | no need for a crummy lib |
| 09:52.00 | jaxdahl | how can you use mounts/pets in a macro now? |
| 09:52.10 | zenzelezz | /cast ? |
| 09:52.11 | Nom- | i know what i'd like to see for a threat meter... i wonder how easy it would be tho |
| 09:52.22 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I'd argue that there might still be desirable to put stuff ina lib |
| 09:52.40 | jaxdahl | zenzelezz, nope |
| 09:52.58 | NeoTron | like stuff to get the raid's threat on all targeted mobs for example |
| 09:53.02 | NeoTron | I dunno |
| 09:53.19 | NeoTron | guess it depends on if Omen3 will have anything but single target threat display or not |
| 09:53.52 | jaxdahl | you might need to have an addon that communicates with the raid and passes threat info around? |
| 09:54.00 | NeoTron | should definitely add an absolute threat warning though |
| 09:54.03 | jaxdahl | may not work for AOE |
| 09:54.08 | Nom- | jaxdahl: You can get threat for another raid member from the UI apparently |
| 09:54.11 | NeoTron | so I can tell it to beep when I'm within 7k threat of dying a painful death |
| 09:54.16 | jaxdahl | ah |
| 09:54.16 | Nom- | There's no need for any communication in that case |
| 09:54.26 | jaxdahl | does it work if they don't have the target targetted? |
| 09:54.31 | NeoTron | Nom-: for true aoe there is still a need to parse the combat log |
| 09:54.37 | NeoTron | and manually calculate it |
| 09:54.49 | NeoTron | for mobs not currently targeted by any raid member |
| 09:54.50 | Nom- | I don't think you need it to be honest |
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| 09:55.08 | NeoTron | need is relative |
| 09:55.14 | Nom- | but anyway... i reckon the best threat meter is one in the middle of the screen as a background texture.. like an addon i can't recall now |
| 09:55.45 | Nom- | 80% = green, 90% = yellow 95% = red |
| 09:55.58 | Nom- | have it do a gradient of colours between, with configurable transparency |
| 09:56.08 | NeoTron | Nom-: except percentages as pointless |
| 09:56.15 | NeoTron | absoulte threat warnings is the way to go |
| 09:56.29 | NeoTron | "1 shadow bolt, 3 shadow bolt, 5 shadow bolt" :) |
| 09:56.50 | NeoTron | 5% = 50k threat away isn't very useful |
| 09:56.54 | Nom- | hmm arguable... threat per second of primary target vs your threat per second is the only calc needed |
| 09:57.07 | NeoTron | sure tha'd work too |
| 09:57.10 | NeoTron | but it's variable |
| 09:57.12 | Nom- | yes |
| 09:57.26 | NeoTron | all I'm saying is that looking at percentages is pretty useless |
| 09:57.45 | Nom- | it's not perfect, but imo that's all i'd want... just know that red = stop dps, yellow = slow down, green = flat out |
| 09:57.53 | NeoTron | right |
| 09:58.00 | NeoTron | so you want an absolute amount |
| 09:58.13 | NeoTron | the longer the fight, the more "1%" is |
| 09:58.31 | NeoTron | early on 1/5th of a shadow bolt might be 1%. later you might need 10-20 shadow bolts for 1% |
| 09:58.33 | Nom- | no, just visual feedback based on theat and threat per second... i don't want to see numbers |
| 09:58.35 | jaxdahl | i can see this coming: 'LFM Heroic UK, must have 1100+ achievement points' |
| 09:58.36 | NeoTron | so 1% isn't a good measurement |
| 09:58.50 | NeoTron | I'm talking bout threat threshold |
| 09:58.52 | Nom- | yeah ur right... threat margin vs threat per second |
| 09:59.08 | NeoTron | a relative warning (like Omen today) is the worst alternative :P |
| 09:59.33 | NeoTron | best, in theory, is somethinf based on tank TPS vs your TPS for the past x period of time (moving average probably?) |
| 09:59.47 | NeoTron | and then say "warn me if I'm about to pull aggro in 4 seconds" |
| 09:59.48 | Nom- | gingo |
| 09:59.53 | Nom- | bingo |
| 10:00.07 | NeoTron | pretty quickly declining moving average so past threat isn't overrepresented |
| 10:00.12 | Nom- | can still put numbers something, but when i'm watching everythign else, it'd be nice to just have colour code on screen |
| 10:00.18 | NeoTron | sure |
| 10:00.28 | NeoTron | all I need is a sound |
| 10:00.39 | NeoTron | I need "dps" or "don't dps" |
| 10:01.02 | Nom- | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw13296.jpg <-- onscreen background texture like that |
| 10:01.08 | Nom- | but do one for threat |
| 10:01.26 | Nom- | i don't like relying on sound... i like visual queues |
| 10:01.35 | Nom- | coz i don't wear headphones all the time |
| 10:01.39 | NeoTron | I was thinking a threat meter that sounds / looks like a geiger counter... :P |
| 10:01.57 | Nom- | yeah... that works... i was thinking more like a temp gauge |
| 10:02.13 | Nom- | lemme find a pic.. i have one about |
| 10:02.16 | NeoTron | I'll probably hack something for me |
| 10:02.17 | NeoTron | just for fun |
| 10:03.05 | NeoTron | proably something that tells me what my threat is (somehow) and also if anyone else is close to pulling aggro so I can yell at them |
| 10:03.24 | Nom- | http://www.dotnetcharting.com/gallery/sampleimages/Gallery/h02.png <-- that would be HOT to implement as a UI element :P |
| 10:04.06 | Nom- | i can't find the pic i'm looking for now lol |
| 10:04.53 | Nom- | im sure you know what i'm referring to tho... you know those images with a thermometer type diagram, where the last 10-20% is a gradient from green to yellow to red |
| 10:06.15 | Nom- | basically that, but rather than being percentage it's a rolling average like we were discussing... if you're in the green zone... no chance of pulling soon... if you're in yellow, then you're getting close(ish).. watch out... red zone is stop dps now or pull :P |
| 10:06.48 | NeoTron | sure |
| 10:06.56 | NeoTron | anyhow. time to sleep. good night |
| 10:07.02 | Nom- | later |
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| 10:09.46 | Nom- | http://www.java2s.com/Code/JavaImages/JFreeChartThermometerDemo2.PNG bingo |
| 10:10.14 | Nom- | im gonna try making a texture for it... hopeless with photoshop, but i'll do my best :DD |
| 10:15.35 | Fisker- | i need less madness |
| 10:19.24 | Nom- | oh sweet... the end to mobhealth type mods too? |
| 10:22.30 | Nom- | i imagine damage meter type mods are much simpler too now |
| 10:22.55 | Nom- | no more having to try and guess overheal amounts... they're there |
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| 10:28.04 | Fisker- | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/runecc/images/2-rune-hero-1-0-0/ <-i see what he did there |
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| 10:51.45 | Fisker- | ok i figure routes is pretty fucked up for non tbc data? ;_; |
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| 11:27.44 | Rabbitbunny | Okay, This one has me totally lost. I'm trying to get a one-handed mouse only 'easy grind' setup. using flexbars has me almost there, But I want a clicky button to toggle auto run. It seems they made this a 'protected' function. Can I make the macro just press numlock for me? |
| 11:28.42 | Nom- | thumb button is default on a mouse |
| 11:28.44 | foxlit | Bind autorun to the mouse button |
| 11:29.03 | foxlit | It's in the default key bindings, you don't even need an addon. |
| 11:29.39 | Rabbitbunny | I blame the early hour. my brains are still spinning up. |
| 11:29.40 | hipjipp | bind autorun to like f8 or something.. :P |
| 11:30.05 | hipjipp | 13:29? (1:29pm) it's not early |
| 11:31.06 | Rabbitbunny | I've got it on `, which is very nice when grinding. ...And now I have it on MMB, which makes VC a ond handed afair. |
| 11:31.25 | Rabbitbunny | i'ts 6.5a, I just got up from the nap. |
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| 11:38.46 | Rabbitbunny | hipjipp: my box beeps at me when you do that. |
| 11:38.49 | Arrowmaster | i think i could make a button that toggles autorun, but the code would be very hackish |
| 11:39.37 | Arrowmaster | ive gotten doubleclicking to toggle autorun before |
| 11:40.12 | Rabbitbunny | i dunno, it started crying about not being allowed to when i therw it on a macro |
| 11:40.23 | Arrowmaster | thats because its protected |
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| 11:45.22 | hipjipp | rabbitbunny: do what? (been afk) |
| 11:47.45 | Nom- | heh... i use just about every single key around wasd for spells |
| 11:48.33 | Nom- | q is judgement, e is hammer of gg, t is consecrate, shift-e is crusader strike, shift-t is repentance, tilde is lay on hands |
| 11:48.36 | Nom- | :D |
| 11:49.25 | Rabbitbunny | hipjipp: it looks like you're trying to DoS me via CTCP. |
| 11:52.07 | Mikk | Nom-: gogo esdf instead of wasd |
| 11:52.09 | Mikk | more keys! |
| 11:52.18 | Industrial | agree |
| 11:52.22 | haste | frst is superior! |
| 11:52.31 | Mikk | oO |
| 11:52.35 | Industrial | o_O |
| 11:52.36 | Industrial | frst? |
| 11:52.47 | Industrial | oh, wacky keyboard layout of yours. |
| 11:52.53 | haste | :3 |
| 11:53.02 | Mikk | oh. dvorak. |
| 11:53.02 | haste | it's the same as esdf |
| 11:53.03 | Daedals | wasd ftw |
| 11:53.06 | haste | no, colemak |
| 11:53.08 | Daedals | esdf |
| 11:53.12 | Daedals | would be better |
| 11:53.19 | Mikk | colemak? wth |
| 11:53.29 | haste | http://colemak.com/ |
| 11:56.16 | Mikk | hokay |
| 11:56.32 | Mikk | ya know.. i see the point of alternative layouts |
| 11:56.41 | Mikk | but i just wouldn't be arsed with it myself |
| 11:56.50 | Mikk | i'd only get annoyed when i had to type somewhere other than home |
| 11:57.13 | Industrial | i get enough typos as it is |
| 11:57.23 | Industrial | :p |
| 11:57.57 | Mikk | kinda the same as how i just do not use file explorer alternatives and stuff. yes, i know, there's plenty better. i used to use them. and feel utterly lost when i wasn't at home. |
| 11:58.04 | Industrial | There we go. Made SVn projects for my addons on wowi. |
| 12:00.45 | Cairenn | :) |
| 12:05.28 | ReAn | yea |
| 12:05.33 | ReAn | SVN Feature rocks |
| 12:05.54 | ReAn | thx again Cairenn |
| 12:06.37 | Cairenn | :) |
| 12:06.57 | ReAn | SVN = incentive to work more on mods |
| 12:07.11 | ReAn | which will fill the void while waiting for the keys till we can upgrade the mods |
| 12:07.15 | ReAn | it's an endless cycle |
| 12:07.18 | ReAn | :D |
| 12:08.32 | ReAn | Cairenn, the wowi:revision is the repo revision right? |
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| 12:16.26 | ReAn | Cairenn: I got an error when Creating a ZIP on the site. And now it seems i cannot get it to work >_> |
| 12:16.51 | Cairenn | ReAn: unfortunately I'm not the person to ask about svn stuff |
| 12:16.56 | ReAn | dang |
| 12:17.06 | ReAn | cuz yea, i think it sneezed or something |
| 12:17.12 | Cairenn | you need to talk to c.lad|away or D.olby |
| 12:17.32 | Cairenn | (yes, I messed their names up on purpose, I don't want to ping them while they are sleeping) |
| 12:17.46 | ReAn | i figured |
| 12:18.02 | clad|away | ReAn: what error did you get? |
| 12:18.04 | clad|away | specifically |
| 12:18.10 | Cairenn | bah |
| 12:18.11 | ReAn | i wish the page was still there |
| 12:18.25 | ReAn | it gave me an error in the output about "nothing to do" |
| 12:18.27 | ReAn | when zipping |
| 12:18.27 | clad|away | and what can't you get to work now? |
| 12:18.38 | clad|away | it would have done that if there were no files in /trunk |
| 12:18.47 | clad|away | and thats not an error |
| 12:18.55 | clad|away | you soudl have cancelled and deleted the zip as the page indicated |
| 12:19.17 | clad|away | Cairenn: i'm laying down, dont worry :P |
| 12:19.41 | ReAn | hrm, i didn't see anything mention i should cancel or delete the zip |
| 12:19.53 | clad|away | well those were your two options |
| 12:19.54 | clad|away | what did you do? |
| 12:19.59 | clad|away | you can push or cancel and delete |
| 12:20.01 | clad|away | which did you choose? |
| 12:20.03 | ReAn | i clicked the zip download link |
| 12:20.10 | clad|away | and it had nothing in it |
| 12:20.13 | ReAn | and it redirected me to a blank page with "Sorry, a file is already being generated for this SVN." on it |
| 12:20.17 | clad|away | what did you do after that? |
| 12:20.39 | ReAn | i went back to the main SVN options page to try and figure out how to kill the zip and/or try again |
| 12:20.42 | clad|away | no, that's a direct file link it wouldn't have sent you anywhere. |
| 12:20.44 | clad|away | you can't. |
| 12:20.44 | ReAn | and all i get is that page |
| 12:20.48 | clad|away | you HAVE to do it on that screen |
| 12:20.49 | clad|away | as it says |
| 12:20.57 | clad|away | it warns you once you start you have to finish |
| 12:21.02 | clad|away | now someone has to intervene |
| 12:21.10 | clad|away | and I can't. |
| 12:21.19 | clad|away | please make sure you read the pages before you go clicking about on them |
| 12:21.23 | clad|away | the text is there will good cause :P |
| 12:21.35 | ReAn | *shrug* i tried to download my zip and i lost the page to cancel/push |
| 12:22.05 | clad|away | its fine |
| 12:22.11 | clad|away | the problem is you have nothing in your /trunk, i'd wager |
| 12:22.14 | clad|away | that's why zip would give you that error |
| 12:22.38 | ReAn | yea, i think i put my files in the wrong spot in SVN |
| 12:23.07 | clad|away | please report the project id to Cairenn so she can get it to Do.l.by |
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| 12:23.45 | ReAn | kk |
| 12:23.49 | zenzelezz | "A review by Ars Technica disclosed that PCMark 2005 Memory benchmark favors GenuineIntel CPUID. A VIA Nano CPU has had its CPUID changed from the original VIA to fake GenuineAMD and GenuineIntel. An improvement of, respectively, 10% and 47% of the score was seen. The reasons of this behavior of FutureMark product are not yet known." o_O |
| 12:25.00 | Thrae | WoWI has some type of SVN now, or are we talking about some newer WoWI upload API? |
| 12:25.21 | clad|away | Thrae: wowi has had SVN for quite some time now |
| 12:25.21 | Cairenn | Thrae: we've had SVN avail for a bit now |
| 12:25.25 | Cairenn | it was out before CF |
| 12:25.46 | clad|away | its schweet and simple :P |
| 12:26.36 | ReAn | clad|away: Resetting my ZIP Lockout won't fix this will it? |
| 12:26.43 | clad|away | if you can do that, then yes |
| 12:26.43 | Thrae | zenzelezz: There could be legitimate reasons for that, such as PCMark2005 not recognizing the VIA Nano CPU as compatible with AMD/Intel optimizations. |
| 12:26.55 | clad|away | wasn't sure if he added the option or not |
| 12:27.11 | ReAn | yea it seems to have cleared |
| 12:27.22 | clad|away | now fix your repo :P |
| 12:27.26 | clad|away | and let me know if you need help |
| 12:27.44 | Thrae | Cairenn: Mmm, you don't have to convince me. I wasn't around when WoWI and Curse's new systems went up, so I was just asking. |
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| 12:28.12 | Cairenn | no convincing, just saying |
| 12:28.16 | Cairenn | :) |
| 12:28.16 | ReAn | Can i make a suggestion clad|away / Cairenn? |
| 12:28.21 | clad|away | sure |
| 12:28.32 | Cairenn | Thrae: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16361 for details |
| 12:28.47 | ReAn | May want to put a note in the SVN FAQ that files go in the /trunk/ folder |
| 12:28.52 | Industrial | Thrae: ! hai |
| 12:28.57 | Industrial | Thrae: long time no see indeed :p |
| 12:29.00 | Thrae | Cairenn: Thanks. Now I just need to get up to Level 70 so I can continue coding addons... |
| 12:29.01 | clad|away | that's standard SVN stuff, to be honest |
| 12:29.06 | Cairenn | :) |
| 12:29.14 | clad|away | you're expected to know something about it befor emoving in, but sure a FAQ could be added |
| 12:29.23 | ReAn | i used tortoise SVN here, when i make local repos, there is no trunk folder when i checkout |
| 12:29.39 | clad|away | there aren't unless you make them |
| 12:29.42 | Industrial | you usually make them yourself after creating a repo |
| 12:29.45 | ReAn | well yes, i know |
| 12:29.46 | clad|away | but they're defacto standard and can be found in almost all repos |
| 12:29.56 | Thrae | Industrial: Hey. |
| 12:30.12 | ReAn | it's still worth noting, for idiots like me |
| 12:30.15 | Industrial | you can see the wowi user did it for you in the changelog |
| 12:30.16 | ReAn | im sure im not the only one |
| 12:30.34 | clad|away | i agree |
| 12:30.41 | clad|away | someone can add the faq, not sure who can |
| 12:30.42 | clad|away | Cairenn: would know |
| 12:31.01 | Cairenn | I can add it |
| 12:36.04 | Thrae | Anyone happen to like playing around with ffdshow? I've been trying to tweak it this last week, with varying results. |
| 12:36.37 | ReAn | uh |
| 12:36.42 | ReAn | i know a bit about it |
| 12:37.53 | Thrae | I have a 2560x1600 display and I'm trying to tweak it for best picture for SD, 480p, and 720p. |
| 12:39.13 | Thrae | It looks like ffdshow is better at scaling then Media Player Classic x64. |
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| 12:42.17 | ReAn | MPC uses ffdshow dude |
| 12:42.20 | ReAn | well |
| 12:42.21 | ReAn | it can |
| 12:42.25 | ReAn | depending on your settings |
| 12:42.38 | ReAn | ffdshow is a directshow filter |
| 12:43.07 | Thrae | Yes, but MPC has its own scaling too, which I use as well right now. |
| 12:43.09 | ReAn | are you trying to pan&scan? |
| 12:43.40 | Thrae | No, I just want it as large as possible without distortion or aspect problems. IE, "full screen". |
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| 12:44.03 | ReAn | and mpc has issues with it? |
| 12:44.03 | Industrial | ah man |
| 12:44.08 | Thrae | When I go full screen w/ MPC set to "Touch Window From Inside", it corrects the difference |
| 12:44.23 | ReAn | cuz my mpc scales just fine |
| 12:44.42 | Industrial | just saw someone running around with sulfuras |
| 12:44.54 | Industrial | I think legendary weapons should scale |
| 12:44.55 | zenzelezz | not a druid I hope? |
| 12:44.57 | ReAn | lol Industrial |
| 12:44.59 | Thrae | It doesn't have "issues", it just doesn't look as good as ffdshow scaling. If I turn off ffdshow's scaling, it looks worse then MPC scaling by itself. |
| 12:44.59 | Nom- | VLC is pretty good at upscaling |
| 12:45.07 | Industrial | with expansions |
| 12:45.28 | Industrial | they are legendary after all. sort of like being a jedi or not :\ |
| 12:45.31 | ReAn | Thrae: Is MPC's scaling blocky? i.e. like you zoomed in on a bitmap? |
| 12:45.39 | Nom- | Industrial: If they did that, then everyone would start farming MC for legendary weapons, which is kind of pointless |
| 12:45.41 | zenzelezz | Industrial: I agree, but then I think they should also stop dropping so people wouldn't go farm Thunderfury again |
| 12:45.42 | Industrial | how should a green ever be better? or an epic for that matter |
| 12:46.08 | Industrial | well it should be as hard to get as it used to be |
| 12:46.11 | Industrial | :p |
| 12:46.17 | Nom- | lol i find that argument rather pointless... |
| 12:46.25 | zenzelezz | I think it should plain be impossible to get if it scaled |
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| 12:46.37 | Thrae | Nom-: I'd like it better if it had a 64-bit binary for Windows |
| 12:46.37 | Nom- | Think about it.. if I buy a $3000 top of the range computer today, is it right I should expect it to be top of the range in 2 years ? |
| 12:46.40 | Industrial | but thats not very fair then, zenzelezz |
| 12:46.43 | Nom- | That's effectively what you're saying... |
| 12:47.12 | Industrial | zenzelezz: I want an equal chance to get everything in the game |
| 12:47.12 | zenzelezz | Industrial: no, but that doesn't change my personal opinion =) |
| 12:47.13 | Thrae | ReAn: Not really, just more noise |
| 12:47.19 | Industrial | zenzelezz: perhaps TGC luckies aside |
| 12:47.34 | Industrial | TCG* |
| 12:47.41 | ReAn | Thrae: in MPC you can select a number of options around what it uses |
| 12:47.58 | Thrae | ReAn: Right, I know... |
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| 12:48.20 | ReAn | so you shouldn't really have issues, mpc is prolly just using a stupid filter |
| 12:48.23 | Industrial | zenzelezz: because you happen to have one? ;) |
| 12:48.35 | zenzelezz | Industrial: nope, never got a single binding |
| 12:48.38 | Thrae | ReAn: I don't have an "issue", I'm just trying to improve the quality. |
| 12:50.48 | Thrae | ReAn: If you take 480 interlaced, lossy-compressed content and try to display that full-screen on a 2560x1600 digital display, it might not look as good as on a standard CRT TV without tweaking. |
| 12:54.32 | Mikk | I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if ffdshow used better scaling algorithms than MPC |
| 12:54.49 | Mikk | Or, put another way, MPC probably doesn't use any scaling algorithms at all - it just tells DirectX to paint it on a bigger surface |
| 12:54.59 | Mikk | And then it becomes a function of your DirectX settings & video card |
| 12:56.12 | Thrae | Mikk: Right, I use VMR9 (Renderless) mode so that would be DX. And I'm not getting DXVA even with a PureVideo-capable card. |
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| 13:00.23 | Cairenn | hokey guys, I must needs go pass out for a few hours given it's 9am and I haven't slept yet |
| 13:01.49 | Fisker- | wat? |
| 13:14.26 | ReAn | i think it's pretty obvious from that scentence that she's tired |
| 13:24.15 | ReAn | this bug is fuckin hillarious |
| 13:24.41 | ReAn | i've managed to rack up 350mb and counting in Opera just by viewing WoWI's Community portal! |
| 13:24.51 | ReAn | Memory Leaks ftw >_> |
| 13:35.28 | ReAn | hrm, clad|away, you around? |
| 13:35.40 | ReAn | (still) |
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| 13:49.28 | hipjipp | anyone awake in here or not working? :P |
| 13:50.07 | ReAn | i am |
| 13:50.09 | ReAn | what's up? |
| 13:51.40 | hipjipp | nothing.. just bored while leveling my alt.. :P |
| 13:51.46 | ReAn | :p |
| 13:53.36 | Daedals | still no beta keys ... |
| 13:53.43 | hipjipp | same here.. :< |
| 13:53.53 | ReAn | it's saturday |
| 13:54.02 | ReAn | if they're coming this weekend, id wager monday |
| 13:54.15 | Daedals | ye I thought of that too |
| 13:54.22 | ReAn | im trying to think of a new mod to make >_> |
| 13:55.46 | hipjipp | i'm thinking about a fast self-enchanting mod so you can self-enchant with a simple click if you have it enabled.. |
| 13:55.52 | hipjipp | thats a mod for you ^^ |
| 13:56.06 | ReAn | self enchanting mod? |
| 13:56.20 | hipjipp | yes |
| 13:56.23 | ReAn | like CTRL+ALT+CLICK your gear opens a list of availiable enchants you can put on it? |
| 13:56.28 | ReAn | or something like that ? |
| 13:57.29 | hipjipp | hm.. that could work too, but i was more thinking that if you had your enchanting window open and not a trade window at the same time, it would auto-choose your gear instead of asking. |
| 13:57.44 | hipjipp | but thats just my original idea.. bend it if you like.. :) |
| 13:57.46 | ReAn | oh |
| 13:58.00 | ReAn | eh, sounds like a lazy-person mod :p |
| 13:58.07 | Mery | nice idea if you want to enchant something in your inventory ... |
| 13:58.22 | hipjipp | just got fed up throwing the same enchant on my bacers 15 times by clicking them and then the confirmation box.. :P |
| 13:58.43 | hipjipp | as i said.. bend it as you wish.. just an idea.. i'd love it either way |
| 13:59.14 | Mery | for leveling sure... after that you don't enchant your gear that often |
| 13:59.31 | hipjipp | who said it was for end-game? :P |
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| 14:06.19 | hipjipp | : O Tuller! <3 |
| 14:06.28 | hipjipp | ReAn: are you up for it? :P |
| 14:06.36 | Tuller | hello |
| 14:06.42 | ReAn | nah |
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| 14:15.56 | hipjipp | Tuller: You're a very very good coder, are you up for the challenge of writing a quick self-enchanting mod for enchanting your own gear when a trade-window isn't open. I imagine that it'd only be used when leveling Enchanting though. I think alot of people would like it.. |
| 14:16.27 | Tuller | press c, press 2, click :P |
| 14:16.34 | Tuller | that clicking part is the hard thing :P |
| 14:16.50 | ReAn | lol |
| 14:17.51 | hipjipp | hehe.. was just wondering.. :< |
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| 14:30.32 | Gnarfoz | hipjipp: there are mods out there that skip the confirmation dialog for overwriting enchants |
| 14:32.14 | Srosh | What event to look at if I want to know the GCD has been invoked? |
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| 15:04.34 | Srosh | Is there an API function similar to GetCritChance() to retrieve amount haste a character has? |
| 15:07.51 | ReAn | GetCombatRating(20); -- Spell Haste |
| 15:08.09 | ReAn | GetCombatRating(18); -- Melee Haste |
| 15:08.16 | ReAn | GetCombatRating(19); -- Ranged Haste |
| 15:09.03 | ReAn | GetCombatRatingBonus(..) -- Gets the actual % |
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| 15:12.05 | ReAn | is there a simple way to detect links in chat? |
| 15:13.59 | Tuller | los regular expressions |
| 15:14.02 | Tuller | that is, lua patterns |
| 15:14.11 | ReAn | yea, i figured |
| 15:15.07 | Srosh | Thanks! |
| 15:15.12 | ReAn | yw |
| 15:15.17 | Fisker- | lol |
| 15:15.30 | Fisker- | didn't blizzard say that they wouldn't be using blade barrier as the tier 1 tanking talent? |
| 15:16.03 | Gnarfoz | dunno |
| 15:16.15 | Fisker- | Vendetta: Heals you for up to 2/4/6% of your maximum health whenever you kill a target that yields experience or honor (was 2/4%). lolol |
| 15:16.21 | Fisker- | Inconsistent Blizzard is inconsisteeeeeeent |
| 15:16.35 | cbreak | what? |
| 15:16.42 | Fisker- | Scent of Blood: You have a 25% chance after being struck by a ranged or melee hit to gain the Scent of Blood effect, causing your next 2/4/6 melee hits to generate 5 runic power. This effect can not occur more often then once every 30 sec |
| 15:16.43 | Fisker- | .... |
| 15:17.03 | Fisker- | cbreak first it was 6% heal, then it got nerfed to 4%, now it's reverted again |
| 15:17.11 | cbreak | yes. |
| 15:17.27 | cbreak | maybe someone cried too loud. |
| 15:17.44 | foxlit | 6% isn't enough, though |
| 15:17.55 | foxlit | You still need death strike timing to make things worth the time :) |
| 15:18.09 | Fisker- | more than ever |
| 15:18.14 | Fisker- | bloodworms proc only on death strike now :( |
| 15:19.27 | foxlit | orly? |
| 15:21.08 | Fisker- | yarly |
| 15:21.18 | Fisker- | i.e. the target has to die obviously, etc. |
| 15:21.44 | cbreak | you'd expect that with a condition like "whenever you kill a target" |
| 15:22.25 | zenzelezz | <Fisker-> i.e. the target has to die obviously, etc. <-- inconspicuous deaths don't count? |
| 15:27.12 | jaxdahl | Fisker-, it was forceful deflection that would be built in, if that's what you are wondering about |
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| 15:33.22 | Codex| | so i uploaded one of my addons, but the beta key site on wowi says my account still isnt an author |
| 15:33.29 | Codex| | my addon has been approved |
| 15:34.12 | Cide | what category did you upload it to? |
| 15:34.16 | hipjipp | wait a while.. if you have a "Addon Author" button beneath you're name when posting it should be fine |
| 15:34.29 | Nom- | nah it's not just that hipjipp |
| 15:34.33 | Codex| | rofl/minigames |
| 15:34.41 | Nom- | I couldn't sign up either, but that was because my addon was in the 3.0 section |
| 15:35.13 | hipjipp | codex] |
| 15:35.15 | Codex| | sup |
| 15:35.29 | hipjipp | nvm, it slipped my mind |
| 15:35.30 | hipjipp | :< |
| 15:35.39 | Codex| | lol |
| 15:35.47 | Codex| | cide: is rofl/minigames not valid addons? lol |
| 15:35.59 | Cide | I dunno |
| 15:36.17 | Codex| | i made the new triviakiller mod |
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| 15:36.26 | Codex| | screws with triiabot |
| 15:36.43 | hipjipp | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9978-1.0.html ? :P |
| 15:36.56 | Codex| | yea |
| 15:36.58 | Codex| | like my logo? lol |
| 15:37.09 | hipjipp | hehe :P |
| 15:37.56 | Codex| | where would i see addon author under my name? on a post? |
| 15:38.22 | Codex| | oh yea it says im addon author ion posts |
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| 16:04.40 | batrick | man |
| 16:04.46 | batrick | they keep reworking the frost talents |
| 16:04.55 | batrick | it's making it so hard to decide |
| 16:04.56 | Gnarfoz | they better |
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| 16:07.44 | Beladona | I am still waiting to see what they do to MP5 |
| 16:08.42 | Gnarfoz | buy more ammo |
| 16:08.49 | Beladona | hmm? |
| 16:08.54 | Islandir | what is the order of the events PLAYER_LOGIN and ADDON_LOADED ? which one occurs first ? |
| 16:09.03 | cbreak | where are the new frost talents? They looked unchanged when I tried this morning |
| 16:09.34 | batrick | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents2.html |
| 16:09.35 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_loading_process |
| 16:10.04 | Islandir | thanks |
| 16:10.06 | batrick | I'm pleased winter's chill is now 3 talent points |
| 16:10.20 | cbreak | bah... I had the old version in browser cache |
| 16:10.34 | batrick | I think the frost tree is pretty solid now |
| 16:10.43 | batrick | they keep finding new things to tweak though |
| 16:10.50 | batrick | who knows what will happen to it by release |
| 16:10.54 | ReAn | batrick: Mage Frost? or DK Frost? |
| 16:10.58 | batrick | Mage |
| 16:11.03 | ReAn | orly? |
| 16:11.18 | batrick | I'm suprised the fire tree is being neglected |
| 16:11.36 | zenzelezz | there's still time |
| 16:11.43 | ReAn | prolly slated for review @ a later time |
| 16:11.54 | batrick | They say they are still thinking about living bomb |
| 16:11.57 | batrick | so who knows |
| 16:12.50 | cbreak | what do you people mean with "orly"? it's not a valid word |
| 16:13.06 | ReAn | o rly |
| 16:13.07 | zenzelezz | I'm wondering what new exciting changes warrior will get - "Execute renamed Hand of Norris", "Shield Bash now has a new animation", "Charge/Intercept/Intervene sound effects now more wooshy" |
| 16:13.08 | ReAn | o really |
| 16:13.10 | batrick | !g orly urban |
| 16:13.10 | batbot | batrick: Urban Dictionary: orly <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=orly> |
| 16:13.10 | ReAn | oh really |
| 16:13.49 | cbreak | interesting. damn languages, can't stop evolving... |
| 16:14.20 | Shirik | cbreak, out of curiosity, where are you from? |
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| 16:14.30 | cbreak | 2/3 winter's chill should be enough to not fall off with some probability |
| 16:14.33 | cbreak | switzerland |
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| 16:14.47 | Shirik | too cold >< |
| 16:15.10 | batrick | cbreak: winter's chill is a must have more for the fact that it is a debuff rather than what it does |
| 16:15.28 | batrick | which is why it's so valued in pvp/arenas |
| 16:15.34 | cbreak | I don't do pvp. |
| 16:15.43 | cbreak | at least not voluntarily :) |
| 16:15.44 | batrick | in pve... I'd only put 2 points in it |
| 16:16.15 | cbreak | with 2 there's a chance it falls off, but that chance should not be too big. |
| 16:16.33 | batrick | I had it happen with imp scorch back in AQ |
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| 16:16.39 | batrick | it was very rare tho |
| 16:17.16 | batrick | so many points piled up at the bottom of the fire tree |
| 16:17.21 | batrick | the upper teirs suck |
| 16:17.30 | batrick | as much as the lower arcane tree used to suck |
| 16:18.26 | cbreak | I quite like clearcasting |
| 16:19.08 | Dashkal | Anybody seen an author named "Merphle" in the last year? |
| 16:19.14 | Dashkal | ~seen merphle |
| 16:19.18 | purl | Dashkal: i haven't seen 'merphle' |
| 16:19.18 | batrick | ~seen Merphle |
| 16:19.18 | purl | batrick: i haven't seen 'merphle' |
| 16:19.24 | batrick | lol |
| 16:19.33 | Dashkal | realized I could do that a moment later :p |
| 16:21.13 | Codex| | omg they fucked up elemental precision in the frost tree? |
| 16:21.33 | batrick | ya it's one teir higher |
| 16:21.47 | Codex| | it affects manacost too now |
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| 16:21.55 | batrick | it always has |
| 16:22.07 | batrick | raiding fire mages won't like that change much at all |
| 16:22.21 | batrick | I used to max out that talent when I raided nax as fire |
| 16:22.34 | cbreak | it's quite powerful |
| 16:22.45 | batrick | Winter's chill now affects frost/fire/arcane now too... so frost mages should be useful |
| 16:22.56 | cbreak | frost mages are always useful! |
| 16:23.06 | batrick | meh |
| 16:24.38 | Codex| | this is what ill be raiding at 80, assuming no more mage tree changes |
| 16:24.45 | Codex| | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents2.html?tal=2300250021023014032002000000000550020123023300530203000000000000000000000000000000000' |
| 16:24.52 | Codex| | sorry i stuck a ' on the end of that link |
| 16:25.32 | batrick | no combustion or AP? |
| 16:25.50 | ReAn | Hey, I want to remove item links from a string |
| 16:25.57 | Codex| | no bat |
| 16:26.03 | Codex| | dont want to be a 3minute mage this time around |
| 16:26.16 | Codex| | i always get unlucky, pop ap, and gruuls shatters, or i get feared, etc |
| 16:26.19 | ReAn | so let's say there's a "hey guys, check out this: [Some Cool Link] !!!" i want it to turn out as "hey guys, check out this: !!!" |
| 16:26.19 | Codex| | not worth the point imo |
| 16:26.40 | Codex| | im going for constant high dps |
| 16:26.42 | ReAn | im having issues w/ my regex, it still is leaving some random un-displayable escape codes in the string |
| 16:26.46 | Codex| | dont want to rely on any cd's |
| 16:27.38 | Atriace | Anyone getting an error when visiting this page? http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events |
| 16:27.51 | Codex| | Fiery Payback now reduces the cast time of Pyroblast by 1.8/3.5 seconds when below 35% health and also increases it's cooldown by 2.5/5 seconds |
| 16:27.56 | Codex| | since when does pyro have a cd? |
| 16:28.06 | Codex| | in like 2005 |
| 16:28.09 | batrick | it gives it a cooldown |
| 16:28.14 | Codex| | maybe cuz they cut it to 5sec cast |
| 16:28.14 | Codex| | oh |
| 16:28.20 | batrick | so you can't spam 1.5 second pyroblasts if you have less than 35% ehalth |
| 16:28.36 | Codex| | hey bat |
| 16:28.42 | Codex| | The new description is: Reduces the cooldown of your Frost Nova, Cone of Cold, Ice Block and Icy Veins spells by 7%/14%/20%. |
| 16:28.50 | Codex| | is there a diff between chance to hit and chance to resist? |
| 16:28.51 | batrick | I can't decide what I think about that. If you are a fire mage at 35% health you aren't far from being dead |
| 16:28.53 | Codex| | errr |
| 16:28.56 | Codex| | wrong copy and paste |
| 16:29.01 | Codex| | Elemental Precision is now a Tier 2 talent instead of Tier 1. The new description is: Reduces the mana cost and chance targets resist your Frost and Fire spells by 1/2/3%. Before this patch it increased your chance to hit by 1/2/3%. |
| 16:29.10 | Codex| | just different wording right? |
| 16:29.16 | batrick | different wording |
| 16:29.41 | Codex| | bat: fiery payback is pvp oriented- no raiding mage should stay at 35% health for long-- if som, get new healers |
| 16:30.10 | Codex| | why change the wording on EP lol |
| 16:30.30 | batrick | nfi |
| 16:31.12 | Codex| | how long should i expect for my wowi account to recognize i have an addon up and let me register for a key? |
| 16:32.29 | batrick | I don't see why you are going fire for raiding |
| 16:32.48 | batrick | in its current state, it looks pretty shitty |
| 16:32.48 | cbreak | I like this for now: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents2.html?tal=2300050001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000505331311235100220155201351 |
| 16:33.02 | Codex| | once a fire mage, always a fire mage |
| 16:33.05 | Codex| | its just too much fun |
| 16:33.14 | Codex| | and that heavy crit talent build should do some major damage |
| 16:33.31 | Codex| | extra 6% crit with fire, 150% crit damage, more spellpower |
| 16:33.50 | Codex| | ive never been a fan of frost |
| 16:33.51 | batrick | cbreak: that's for raiding? |
| 16:33.56 | batrick | you got a lot of pvp talents in there |
| 16:34.00 | cbreak | for solo, instances, raiding, pvp, and so on |
| 16:34.13 | Codex| | if only u could freeze raid bosses :P |
| 16:34.16 | batrick | 10:15:34 < cbreak> I don't do pvp. |
| 16:34.16 | batrick | 10:15:43 < cbreak> at least not voluntarily :) |
| 16:34.17 | batrick | 10:15:34 < cbreak> I don't do pvp. |
| 16:34.17 | batrick | 10:15:43 < cbreak> at least not voluntarily :) |
| 16:34.19 | Shirik | batrick! Want to see some god code? |
| 16:34.22 | batrick | oops |
| 16:34.34 | batrick | Shirik: god codes in purl, no thanks |
| 16:34.35 | Codex| | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.35 | cbreak | yes. I am forced to pvp for gear :/ |
| 16:35.24 | batrick | cbreak: pick up brain freeze? |
| 16:35.33 | batrick | that's quite a bit of extra dmg with no mana cost |
| 16:35.47 | cbreak | untalented fireballs? |
| 16:35.58 | cbreak | if it were frostfire I'd take it |
| 16:36.01 | Codex| | rofll |
| 16:36.09 | batrick | dunno |
| 16:36.19 | batrick | in BC that'll amount to prob 2k dmg |
| 16:36.21 | Pez | I am weak *installs WoW* |
| 16:36.23 | Atriace | Codex: what addon did you make? |
| 16:36.29 | Codex| | my build maximizes the dps from the 5scorch 8fireball rotstion |
| 16:36.34 | Codex| | triviakiller reborn |
| 16:36.42 | Codex| | answers triviabot questions |
| 16:36.49 | Atriace | Oh yeah, saw that yesterday. |
| 16:37.04 | Codex| | maybe i should add a disclaimer that it pisses people off |
| 16:37.05 | Codex| | lol |
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| 16:37.14 | Codex| | or "use it on a bank toon" |
| 16:37.17 | cbreak | you could rename it to trivia-glider |
| 16:37.24 | Codex| | lol |
| 16:37.50 | Codex| | alright, off to school on this lousy saturday, back in a bit |
| 16:37.59 | Codex| | when i get back hopefully i can register for my addon beta :D |
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| 16:38.36 | kaiden | Anyone know if there is a working all in one bag for wotlk? |
| 16:39.08 | Pez | ..... |
| 16:39.11 | Pez | aaahaha |
| 16:39.24 | Pez | the installer told me I had insufficient CPU speed. |
| 16:39.41 | Dashkal | kaiden: Kaelten is working on that one |
| 16:39.44 | Pez | and this computer defenetly meets the minimum requuirements. :P |
| 16:39.48 | Gnarfoz | kaiden: Bagnon, OneBag |
| 16:40.12 | Gnarfoz | oh, Bagnon you'd have to comment out some lines, but I could pastey a patch for it |
| 16:40.28 | kaiden | i would appreciate that, i love bagnon :P |
| 16:40.36 | kaiden | but if it's too much work dun worry i'll grab OneBag |
| 16:41.03 | Gnarfoz | when I tried OneBag it worked but you couldn't use items from it and moving items around didn't update the display |
| 16:41.15 | Gnarfoz | (but Bagnon didn't work *at all* at that point, but now it does) |
| 16:41.30 | Gnarfoz | and there's a OneBag WotLK branch by one of these weird chinese translators ^^ |
| 16:41.32 | kaiden | yeah the same thing happened when i tried baggins |
| 16:41.35 | Shirik | Pez: Does it just barely meet the minimum requirements? |
| 16:41.35 | Tuller | if you have a patch for bagnon to get stuff working, submit it to my gcode page |
| 16:42.02 | Gnarfoz | Tuller: it's basically just commenting out all references to SetHighlightText because somehow, that doesn't exist anymore |
| 16:42.04 | Shirik | For example, if it's a 3GHz processor, it may report something like 2996MHz. It always reports its current speed, rather than its rated speed. |
| 16:42.07 | Gnarfoz | just a minute ;) |
| 16:42.16 | Shirik | If the program wasn't written to account for that.... |
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| 16:43.49 | Tuller | yeah, that does not exist anymore |
| 16:43.56 | cbreak | it's fun, in the last few years people stopped caring about MHz. |
| 16:44.04 | Tuller | I thinkish |
| 16:44.42 | kaiden | cbreak, that's only because most people have quad cores of doom :P |
| 16:45.04 | cbreak | it's probably because they realised that the frequency is not the only thing that matters for speed :) |
| 16:45.12 | Atriace | Anyone else on Draka? |
| 16:45.57 | Dashkal | I don't even know my GHz raiting off the top of my head.. |
| 16:46.34 | cbreak | rating? |
| 16:46.47 | cbreak | stupid blizzard ratings are just everywhere :( |
| 16:47.53 | Pez | Uhm, I can't fint the EU Sporeggar realm in the realm listings? 0.o |
| 16:47.57 | kaiden | lol most people dont know their cpu rating anymore because of all the naming that goes on now a days |
| 16:48.06 | kaiden | i have a Phenom x4 9850 |
| 16:48.16 | kaiden | can't remember what that translates to in Ghz, but i know it's fast |
| 16:48.17 | kaiden | :P |
| 16:48.24 | zenzelezz | cbreak: AMD was using "Pentium ratings" long before Blizzard started using combat ratings |
| 16:48.28 | Dashkal | raiting. it's been a long time since that number has had much to do with the actual speed. Stupid marketing |
| 16:50.26 | Shirik | cbreak: Thank god. Speed rarely means anything anymore. |
| 16:50.29 | Shirik | Well, raw speed |
| 16:50.37 | cbreak | it was a mistake to tell people that frequency is the only thing that matters anyway |
| 16:50.40 | Shirik | Maybe if you're running prime95 |
| 16:50.54 | Shirik | But your CPU spends most of its time sitting on its ass doing nothing |
| 16:50.59 | cbreak | yes :/ |
| 16:51.04 | batrick | back in the day frequency was all that mattered |
| 16:51.06 | cbreak | even when playing WoW it barely hits 20% |
| 16:51.16 | cbreak | not really |
| 16:51.18 | Drundia | If you try to imagine 1 GHz you'll imagine something fast. Hell, even if you imagine something with 1 kHz you will still imagine something fast. |
| 16:51.27 | Pez | this has some stupidly setup information about my computer - http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c00980679&lang=en&cc=no&taskId=101&prodSeriesId=3368540&prodTypeId=321957 |
| 16:51.32 | Drundia | cbreak, does it have 5 cores? |
| 16:51.33 | cbreak | hard disk and memory bandwidth was always a problem |
| 16:51.37 | kaiden | Anyone know of an actionbar mod that's working with WoTLK yet? :) (i'm needy i know) |
| 16:51.38 | cbreak | 8 |
| 16:51.49 | Drundia | wow barely uses more than 1 |
| 16:52.05 | Drundia | so 12.5% is what you will see most of the time |
| 16:52.15 | cbreak | disapointing |
| 16:52.27 | cbreak | physics should be easy to parallelize |
| 16:54.13 | Shirik | When WoW was created, "dual core" was barely heard of :P |
| 16:54.24 | Shirik | They've made some improvements since then |
| 16:54.36 | Pez | i've got - AMD Turion 64 X2 Dual-Core Mobile Technology (up to 2.2-GHz, 2x512-KB L2 cache) |
| 16:54.39 | Shirik | but trying to support MP everywhere would require some significant changes |
| 16:54.44 | cbreak | my 6 year old mac had two cpus... |
| 16:55.04 | batrick | two cpus, but not two cores |
| 16:55.14 | Shirik | cbreak: The fact that it was a mac cut your CPUs into 8 pieces, making it only worth .25 cpus anyway |
| 16:55.16 | cbreak | what do you think is in those cpus? :) |
| 16:55.33 | batrick | cbreak: that is irrelevant, few people would have that |
| 16:56.09 | batrick | even now having two cpus in a desktop pc is very uncommon |
| 16:56.30 | Pez | Shirik: but WoW shouldn't tell me my CPU is insufficient with AMD Turion 64 X2 Dual-Core Mobile Technology (up to 2.2-GHz, 2x512-KB L2 cache) |
| 16:56.34 | Pez | now should it? |
| 16:56.42 | Drundia | maybe it has problems |
| 16:56.48 | Drundia | i mean wow |
| 16:56.51 | batrick | Pez: submit a bug report |
| 16:56.59 | Pez | Drundia: the installer? :P |
| 16:57.03 | Shirik | Pez: probably not |
| 16:57.17 | Pez | I'll see if TBC tells me the same. |
| 16:57.19 | Drundia | i remember hacking some code following cpuid instruction in one old game because it refused to run on a too new cpu |
| 16:57.24 | Pez | might be my CPU is under heacy load. |
| 16:57.39 | Drundia | Pez, yes, installer may be stupid |
| 16:57.50 | cbreak | can't you ignore it and install anyway? |
| 16:57.54 | Pez | Oh, sure. |
| 16:58.05 | Pez | but it's still odd that it said it in the first place. |
| 16:58.25 | Pez | But it's installing, so all is good. |
| 16:59.53 | Pez | It might also be Vista being stupid. Who knows. |
| 16:59.57 | Anaral | Can a non-combat pet be called in a macro with /castsequence? |
| 17:00.16 | cbreak | in current wow: yes |
| 17:00.23 | cbreak | you can /use them with /userandom |
| 17:00.31 | cbreak | and all other commands |
| 17:01.10 | Anaral | Aye, this is for a game my husband has set up. I need to dismiss one of four non-combat cats with my own pet. |
| 17:01.40 | batrick | I believe /userandom and /castsequence are identical |
| 17:02.07 | cbreak | they are similar. |
| 17:02.07 | Anaral | I hope so. Heh. |
| 17:02.17 | cbreak | one does a sequence, the other random |
| 17:02.24 | Shirik | he meant /castrandom |
| 17:02.29 | cbreak | but in general, /use and /cast can be used interchangeable, yes |
| 17:02.55 | Shirik | but yes, /castsequence allows for items |
| 17:03.06 | batrick | errr... |
| 17:03.13 | batrick | I meant /userandom /castrandom |
| 17:03.27 | cbreak | you can use the name of items or item:xxx (with the item id) |
| 17:04.15 | Anaral | Aye, it's what I'm doing |
| 17:06.14 | Anaral | Hmm, If I don't have the item, the macro won't goto the next 'spell'? |
| 17:06.22 | cbreak | of course not |
| 17:06.44 | cbreak | it will only progress if it casts a spell successfully |
| 17:07.02 | Anaral | Well that's poop. |
| 17:07.09 | Pez | If I get WotLK, I'm gonna get a collectors edition. |
| 17:07.14 | Islandir | I created a frame that has got info ... and now I would like to attacha tooltip as well to show info saved of other chars in that account. I cannot find how to attach a tooltip. |
| 17:07.25 | cbreak | would be stupid if it would progress the sequence without actually casting :) |
| 17:07.39 | clad|away | has anyone visited wowprogramming.com in the past few days, but has NOT visited it today? If so, PLEASE PM me and don't visit it. |
| 17:07.41 | cbreak | Islandir: with Anchors? |
| 17:07.59 | Islandir | I mean that I want the tooltip to show only when the mouse goes over my frame |
| 17:07.59 | Nom- | I've *never* beed there, if that's any help, clad|away :/ |
| 17:08.03 | clad|away | no its not |
| 17:08.04 | cbreak | neither me |
| 17:08.12 | clad|away | i need two of the css files |
| 17:08.17 | clad|away | and someone who hasn'gt visited today would have them cached. |
| 17:08.24 | End | ouch |
| 17:08.29 | cbreak | maybe google cached it. or the web history thingie |
| 17:08.31 | Nom- | oic lol |
| 17:08.36 | cbreak | (although I doubt google indexes css) |
| 17:08.48 | Nom- | web archive maybe ? |
| 17:08.58 | clad|away | we're not in archive.org |
| 17:09.15 | Nom- | bummer |
| 17:09.40 | Nom- | ouch no nightly backup ? |
| 17:09.41 | batrick | i may have it clad|away |
| 17:09.54 | clad|away | Nom-: I have staggered backups all over the place |
| 17:10.05 | clad|away | when they delete your entire VPS and the backup host.. you're pretty fucked tho |
| 17:10.06 | cbreak | the google cache is from 29. Juli 2008 13:36:48 GMT |
| 17:10.08 | clad|away | I'm back 15 days |
| 17:10.14 | Nom- | wow... |
| 17:10.15 | batrick | where the hell does firefox on ubuntu store the cache? |
| 17:10.19 | clad|away | well and for odd things like this, I'm back.. longer |
| 17:10.22 | Nom- | i'd configure a nightly rsync offsite if i were you |
| 17:10.25 | clad|away | batrick: there's an addon for firefox that views cache |
| 17:10.32 | clad|away | Nom-: in retrospect, yes I had planned to |
| 17:10.40 | Nom- | 20-20 hindsight :D |
| 17:10.44 | clad|away | but one expects certain things from their providers |
| 17:10.56 | clad|away | one is that they don't intentionally delete their own data via accidental script |
| 17:11.09 | clad|away | fuckers. |
| 17:11.27 | clad|away | their service was SOOO good too |
| 17:11.45 | Nom- | and they don't have a decent san which has snapshots? |
| 17:11.49 | clad|away | well |
| 17:11.53 | clad|away | it deleted the entire VPS |
| 17:11.58 | clad|away | every single on one their node 1 machine |
| 17:12.13 | clad|away | they're estimating 20% chance of recovery for anyone on that box. |
| 17:12.14 | Nom- | I know if I remove a file from our SAN at work the file is still accessible for a week through the snapshot folders |
| 17:12.17 | cbreak | I am sure they have many happy customers calling them. |
| 17:12.19 | batrick | what service was this clad|away ? |
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| 17:12.26 | clad|away | however, its saying something about the robustness of the web application that I already have it up and running perfectly on another host |
| 17:12.29 | clad|away | batrick: EpicVPS |
| 17:12.37 | clad|away | reasonable prices, great service |
| 17:12.41 | batrick | You may want to try Linode, I've heard great things about them |
| 17:12.43 | clad|away | and this.. |
| 17:12.48 | cladhaire | aye, i may |
| 17:12.48 | Pez | Linode is awesome |
| 17:12.57 | cladhaire | its just more expensive |
| 17:13.05 | Pez | But worth it! |
| 17:13.10 | cladhaire | epicvps/linode are two direct competiters |
| 17:13.12 | batrick | I was thinking about getting one, but I can't really afford it and my home server works well enough |
| 17:13.24 | cladhaire | batrick: I'd split a higher level one with you |
| 17:13.26 | cladhaire | if you're intertested |
| 17:13.32 | cladhaire | that goes for a few people, actually :P |
| 17:13.34 | Nom- | That's epic... we haven't taken anywhere near the number of steps we need to to ensure data integrity for our customers... our *basic* setup is an offsite which is less than 1 hour out of date, and snapshots are kept (daily and hourly) for a week |
| 17:13.43 | batrick | I'm not really in the market thanks tho :) |
| 17:13.56 | Pez | I want to get a higher level one for my business. |
| 17:14.03 | Nom- | It surprises me they've got such a poor setup, given how old the SAN's we use for that basic setup are |
| 17:14.40 | cladhaire | Nom-: yes, that's pretty standard |
| 17:14.53 | cbreak | hourly snapshots don't look so bad |
| 17:15.27 | cladhaire | the layout.css issues are due to a branch in the git repo i was working on |
| 17:15.36 | cladhaire | hence why they're out of date in my backup |
| 17:15.42 | cbreak | on my computer I only have hourly snapshots for a day, and then daily snapshots for a week |
| 17:15.53 | cladhaire | I had snapshots set up on the machine |
| 17:15.58 | cladhaire | and had meant to get them rsync'd |
| 17:16.08 | Shirik | I love it when people write documentation while having a bit of humor with it "[Don't do x.] If you're lucky, your application will crash; if not, it'll look as if it works for a while, until random scribbling on the stack causes it to crash." |
| 17:16.08 | cladhaire | but i found it extremely difficult to believe that something like this could have happened |
| 17:16.16 | cladhaire | I mean, who DELETES their customers VPPs |
| 17:16.27 | cladhaire | Shirik: u have my files? |
| 17:16.28 | Shirik | cladhaire: Obviously your guys :P |
| 17:16.47 | cbreak | cladhaire: you had your layout.css file in your git repo? |
| 17:16.55 | Shirik | and btw, Linode is indeed awesome |
| 17:16.57 | cladhaire | of course? |
| 17:17.05 | cbreak | so you could take it out from there |
| 17:17.09 | Shirik | Use them, never had an issue |
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| 17:17.12 | cladhaire | yes, and it was in another branch |
| 17:17.13 | cladhaire | that didn't get pushed |
| 17:17.17 | Shirik | but indeed more expensive |
| 17:17.18 | cladhaire | with good reason |
| 17:17.23 | cladhaire | the versions differed |
| 17:17.48 | cbreak | and that branch was only on the server? |
| 17:17.59 | cladhaire | yes |
| 17:18.09 | cladhaire | someone should have it |
| 17:18.11 | cladhaire | and i can recover if not |
| 17:18.11 | cbreak | you don't have a local working directory where it's in? |
| 17:18.16 | cladhaire | ... |
| 17:18.16 | cladhaire | no |
| 17:18.18 | cladhaire | it was in one place |
| 17:18.23 | cladhaire | i have an old version of the file. |
| 17:18.35 | cladhaire | but anyone who has it in their cache has the right version |
| 17:18.44 | cbreak | if you ever had that version locally, your local git should still have the file |
| 17:18.53 | cladhaire | i know how git works |
| 17:18.55 | cladhaire | i really do |
| 17:18.56 | cladhaire | its not there |
| 17:18.56 | Pez | guys, direct downloadlink to the newest patch... anyone got one? :P |
| 17:18.57 | cladhaire | i promise :P |
| 17:19.01 | Shirik | ps I have no issues splitting a higher level one with you if you end up wanting to do it; Only a few things I use mine for as it is right now, specifically svn server |
| 17:19.36 | cbreak | I wonder how it got lost. I think I know how git works too :) |
| 17:19.40 | cladhaire | the hd space on these is tight |
| 17:19.53 | Shirik | I have no idea of your requirements :) |
| 17:20.04 | cladhaire | cbreak: well this is simple.. one repo had a "live" branch that ran the production website.. the other repo didn't have it.. i lost the one that had it |
| 17:20.08 | cladhaire | so the file is done |
| 17:20.11 | cladhaire | Shirik: they're low |
| 17:20.15 | cladhaire | but this HD space is a bit tight imo |
| 17:20.16 | End | Shirik: yeah, linode is neat-o |
| 17:20.41 | cladhaire | can you pay for linode with paypal? |
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| 17:20.48 | Shirik2 | o hai |
| 17:20.56 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:21.01 | Shirik | I think |
| 17:21.04 | cbreak | an evil clone? |
| 17:21.07 | End | paying with paypal must be a new thing if you can |
| 17:21.08 | Shirik | maybe not actually, that might be my old server |
| 17:21.27 | cladhaire | its pretty much a must for me |
| 17:21.34 | cladhaire | i have rotating disposable income tied up in paypal |
| 17:21.36 | Nom- | cladhaire: the whole point of git is that you have a copy of the whole repository |
| 17:21.39 | cladhaire | and i like using it when i can |
| 17:21.43 | Nom- | cladhaire: you will have that branch in there |
| 17:21.44 | Shirik | yeah nm no you can't |
| 17:21.49 | cladhaire | Nom-: NOT IF THE BRANCH WAS NEVER PUSHED BACK TO THE CENTRAL REPO |
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| 17:21.53 | cladhaire | i'm not yelling at you |
| 17:21.55 | cladhaire | but the file is not there |
| 17:21.57 | cladhaire | I assure you |
| 17:21.59 | cladhaire | three repos |
| 17:22.07 | cladhaire | two push to the central one running gitosis |
| 17:22.09 | cladhaire | on gitosis |
| 17:22.17 | cladhaire | one has it, the other doesn't because it was never pushed |
| 17:22.33 | cladhaire | :P |
| 17:22.38 | cladhaire | but i think i foudn them in one of my caches. |
| 17:22.41 | cladhaire | just trying to verify |
| 17:24.25 | Gnarfoz | I went there earlier, so no cached stuff from me :\ |
| 17:24.49 | cladhaire | Shirik: What are your needs, i.e. can we split a 360, or should we look at a 540? |
| 17:25.26 | Shirik | Well I already have a 360, let me check my stats |
| 17:26.03 | cladhaire | heh |
| 17:26.10 | cladhaire | anyone who wants in, let me know and we can work something out :P |
| 17:26.13 | Nom- | so... i'm just trying to understand this... the hosting company had no offsite daily/nightly backup... no SAN filesystem which could keep snapshots of the removed data... basically no DR plan whatsoever ? |
| 17:26.30 | cladhaire | Nom-: I have no idea.. all I know is I dont' have a VPS right now, so I can do nothing. |
| 17:26.40 | cladhaire | I'm sure I'll find out more in the upcoming day or so |
| 17:26.57 | Nom- | That's a hosting company I would *never* touch again |
| 17:27.04 | Nom- | If it was cheap, that's why :P |
| 17:27.09 | batrick | i'd be so raged |
| 17:27.11 | cladhaire | itsw not |
| 17:27.12 | cladhaire | i am |
| 17:27.17 | cladhaire | welcome to 10 hours ago guys :P |
| 17:27.41 | Shirik | July 2008: Averaged 0.79% CPU, 2.28kb/s outgoing, 3.40kb/s incoming, of 200GB bandwidth |
| 17:27.51 | Nom- | wow... i work for a company that specialized in broadband DSL services... not web hosting |
| 17:27.55 | Pez | harrharr |
| 17:28.05 | Nom- | but even still, our worst case recovery plan if an entire data centre died is under 12 hours |
| 17:28.11 | Nom- | with at worst, 1 hour data lost |
| 17:28.17 | Pez | I need to get someone to set up my linode properly really. |
| 17:28.37 | Nom- | How can a dedicated web host company not have ... the mind boggles |
| 17:28.51 | Nom- | I'd be seriously considering suing for damages |
| 17:29.17 | cladhaire | I'm going to |
| 17:29.26 | cbreak | American? :) |
| 17:29.26 | cladhaire | I have to check their ToS, etc. to see what their clauses for this shit are |
| 17:29.29 | cladhaire | but its pretty unacceptable |
| 17:30.03 | zenzelezz | goblin web hosting, nuff said. Next time go with gnomes |
| 17:30.08 | batrick | I cant believe they took out the backup server too |
| 17:30.15 | Anaral | I use BlueHost. They're pretty dependable and keep daily caches. Our forums got hacked twice, due to our maintainer not doing his job. Each time we had our site back up within 2 hours of reporting. |
| 17:30.17 | batrick | that's almost vindictive |
| 17:30.56 | batrick | anyway, gl with that clad |
| 17:30.59 | batrick | later friends~ |
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| 17:32.12 | Pez | I want to get a Linode 2880 at some point, if I take the step into smalltime hosting. :P |
| 17:32.43 | cladhaire | maybe they'll surprise me |
| 17:33.04 | ReAn | danmit, what's the standard blizzard button texture? |
| 17:35.02 | Pez | ... 6 hours to patch download is complete... |
| 17:35.14 | ReAn | Pez: what patch? |
| 17:35.26 | Pez | Oh, I just installed WoW and TBC fresh |
| 17:35.29 | Pez | so.. everything? |
| 17:35.53 | Gnarfoz | that's just the 2.4 fullpatch, then |
| 17:35.55 | zenzelezz | you know you don't have to reinstall WoW when you reinstall Windows? |
| 17:35.56 | Gnarfoz | can't take that long? |
| 17:36.09 | Pez | zenzelezz: new shiny computer. :P |
| 17:36.20 | Gnarfoz | copy old wow install over? ^^ |
| 17:36.21 | zenzelezz | fair enough |
| 17:36.24 | Nom- | Still don't have to install... you could copy |
| 17:36.31 | Nom- | Yeah, i'd do that... much less trouble |
| 17:36.34 | Pez | 1.1GB of patch goodness on a really horrible internet connection |
| 17:36.39 | Nom- | And you can do it at 100 or 1000 Mbps |
| 17:36.45 | Gnarfoz | he's 2/3 done from what he's saying, so copying would now take longer, I guess :D |
| 17:36.50 | Pez | last computer... was pretty much... borked. |
| 17:36.54 | Nom- | hell no |
| 17:37.02 | Pez | he? |
| 17:37.03 | Pez | who's a he? |
| 17:37.13 | cbreak | maybe you can start wow from a network share :) |
| 17:37.19 | Nom- | you can |
| 17:37.25 | cbreak | (potential to be slow :) |
| 17:37.28 | Nom- | not advisable unless you're on gig network tho |
| 17:37.45 | Nom- | I seriously considered running WoW off my other computer (which is running a nice raid 5 config) |
| 17:37.47 | Pez | Anyone have a direct link to the patches I need though? torrentlike technology fails in this home... |
| 17:38.07 | Nom- | Seriously, if you have your other computer or hard drive in a working state, copy it :P |
| 17:38.24 | Nom- | Especially once installed, there's nothing to do but update the data files etc |
| 17:38.42 | Pez | Do you guys read what I tell you? I've got a new computer, because the old one is broken, fried, kaputt. |
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| 17:38.53 | Nom- | 8 GB over a 100Mbps LAN connection is maybe 15 minutes |
| 17:38.56 | Pez | and the computer that has WoW, it's being flaky, so i don't really trust it :P |
| 17:38.57 | Nom- | is the hard drive working? |
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| 17:39.08 | Nom- | take hard drive from old, plug into new |
| 17:39.14 | Nom- | step 2. copy data across |
| 17:39.16 | Pez | I formatted it a long time ago. |
| 17:39.18 | Nom- | step 3. ??? |
| 17:39.18 | Pez | jeez |
| 17:39.20 | Nom- | step 4. profit |
| 17:39.55 | Pez | I know the options you're mentioning. I just can't actuallt *do* any of them. |
| 17:40.53 | Pez | So the fastest option for me, would be to get direct download links, through http or ftp. |
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| 17:41.44 | Gnarfoz | wowwiki has a big mirror list. |
| 17:41.46 | Nom- | http://www.gamershell.com/pc/world_of_warcraft/downloads.html |
| 17:41.53 | Gnarfoz | and: computer's don't DIE in their entirety |
| 17:42.34 | Pez | Gnarfoz: motherboard was fried a few months back, I formatted the disk the computer was using, because it was going to be used for something else, and it was full of crap. :P |
| 17:42.56 | Gnarfoz | so, you actually don't have any other box that has a wow install on it |
| 17:43.07 | Nom- | just pull down the 2.4.0 patch which is what... 1GB |
| 17:43.09 | Gnarfoz | that would have shut us up pretty quickly ;:p |
| 17:43.14 | Gnarfoz | Nom-: yeah |
| 17:43.35 | Xinhuan | does anyone have a 70 druid and is free enough to test lifebloom threat? ;p |
| 17:43.50 | Nom- | Xinhuan: Where? Beta? |
| 17:43.55 | Pez | Gnarfoz: I did tell you that, maybe not in those exact words, but I'm not stupid, and when I say my only options are direct download links, my only options are direct download links. :P |
| 17:43.55 | Xinhuan | on live |
| 17:44.00 | Xinhuan | testing it on beta is trivial |
| 17:44.05 | Nom- | I have a druid on Thaurissan |
| 17:44.16 | Nom- | US |
| 17:44.21 | ReAn | Xinhuan: I have a feral druid |
| 17:44.49 | Xinhuan | would either of you like to test how much threat lifebloom causes then? there are 2 components, the HoT and the final bloom |
| 17:44.58 | Xinhuan | use your own methods, get your own friends to help, etc |
| 17:45.08 | ReAn | im not that free, sorry |
| 17:45.08 | Gnarfoz | Pez: that's exactly my point: you might not be aware of all options (and because this is IRC, that's what everyone would assume, nobody's perfect ^^). thus stating what's the root cause instead of your conclusion from that ... yeah you know where I'm going with this ;) |
| 17:45.08 | Nom- | but afaik, short of any talents, the hot is 1 threat per 2 heal, and bloom is applied to the person who has the buff |
| 17:45.11 | Xinhuan | lets see if your results match |
| 17:45.25 | Pez | Gnarfoz: I insisted on my only options being download links... several times. |
| 17:45.31 | Xinhuan | well i'm quite confident it isn't 1 threat per 2 heal for lifebloom |
| 17:45.41 | Pez | But thank you for trying to give me other options. |
| 17:45.50 | Gnarfoz | Pez: found the mirror list @ wowwiki? :) |
| 17:46.00 | Pez | Gnarfoz: downloading the 1GB patch now. |
| 17:46.01 | Xinhuan | so do go figure it out, and see if your results match mine |
| 17:46.10 | cladhaire | who wants to get my referral for linode.com? |
| 17:46.15 | cladhaire | first to provide a code wins :P |
| 17:46.23 | ReAn | linode.com? |
| 17:46.28 | Xinhuan | pfft cladhaire, get on your druid test lifebloom threat too :D |
| 17:46.41 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: i'm just saying, we dont' get the raw numbers and I don't see that happening |
| 17:46.50 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: why do you want me to test lifebloom? |
| 17:47.04 | Xinhuan | to get independant test results |
| 17:47.09 | Xinhuan | on live servers, not beta |
| 17:47.10 | Gnarfoz | hmm, they have VPS's at prices I can get real servers here oO |
| 17:47.20 | cladhaire | Oh, i'd need someone to help, wouldn't i? |
| 17:47.24 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 17:47.25 | cladhaire | Gnarfoz: where is here? |
| 17:47.36 | Gnarfoz | cladhaire: www.ngz-server.de, so probably not what you're looking for |
| 17:47.36 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: well I can log into eu or usif someone wants |
| 17:48.09 | Xinhuan | i'll prefer if you conduct your own independant tests if possible hehe |
| 17:48.13 | Gnarfoz | cladhaire: also, judging from their gameserver hosting background, you'd probably want something that looks more, professional, seeing your recent reliability issue ^^ |
| 17:48.26 | Gnarfoz | oh bleh |
| 17:48.30 | Gnarfoz | also I'm stupid |
| 17:48.34 | Gnarfoz | read $ for ⬠|
| 17:48.36 | Gnarfoz | -.- |
| 17:48.38 | cladhaire | Xinhuan: you're trying to determine if the bloom causes threat to anyone? |
| 17:48.48 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 17:48.57 | cladhaire | i dont have anyone that can help me on eu, and i dont have anyone i know on my faction on my us druid |
| 17:48.58 | cladhaire | =( |
| 17:49.07 | Xinhuan | and also the HoT part |
| 17:50.09 | Nom- | The bloom should, but only for the amount the heal actually heals for |
| 17:50.28 | Xinhuan | that's what everyone thinks though |
| 17:50.35 | Nom- | so if they're on full health already (which is likely given how quick lifebloom tops stuff up) then it should do 0 threat |
| 17:50.48 | Xinhuan | go test it nom! :) |
| 17:50.59 | Nom- | I don't have *that* much free time :p |
| 17:51.12 | Nom- | Testing threat on live is quite time consuming |
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| 17:51.32 | Xinhuan | i'm pretty sure the lacerate threat is wrong too |
| 17:51.33 | Pez | ah, that's better. 44 minutes instead of minimum 8 hours. :P |
| 17:51.35 | Pez | thanks guys ^^ |
| 17:51.46 | Gnarfoz | what's an easy way to do a diff on everything that changed in a directory tree without knowing which files changed? |
| 17:52.36 | Xinhuan | use a GUI implementation of SVN ;p |
| 17:52.40 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 17:52.57 | Xinhuan | like tortoisesvn, which would easiy show changed, new and deleted files |
| 17:53.08 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I've got smartsvn for that, but meh |
| 17:53.24 | End | can't you use gnu diff on directories? |
| 17:53.35 | Throngy | meh? |
| 17:53.35 | Gnarfoz | End: that's probably a way to transliterate my question ^^ |
| 17:54.02 | Gnarfoz | ah, -r |
| 17:54.02 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 17:54.11 | Nom- | lol |
| 17:54.15 | Throngy | hehe |
| 17:54.29 | Nom- | I'm bored |
| 17:54.31 | Gnarfoz | sometimes, I should just go with what feels right, everyone's using the same switches anyway |
| 17:54.35 | cladhaire | diff -Naur |
| 17:54.41 | cladhaire | or I prefer |
| 17:54.42 | cladhaire | -Naru |
| 17:54.43 | cladhaire | :P |
| 17:55.27 | Nom- | anyone get their beta key yet ? :D |
| 17:55.45 | ReAn | in frame script scope (i.e. functions defined with :SetScript(...)) do we use self: or this: ?? |
| 17:56.19 | ReAn | Nom-: GMail Sais: No |
| 17:56.30 | Nom- | :( |
| 17:56.51 | Nom- | Hopefully blizz will batch them all this week then... i don't think i can wait until next weekend for mine XD |
| 17:56.51 | cbreak | ReAn: you can use what ever you define as argument |
| 17:57.08 | Beladona | ReAn: self, this is bad in 3.0 |
| 17:57.21 | ReAn | thankyou Beladona |
| 17:57.28 | ReAn | Nom-: my guess is, Monday |
| 17:57.33 | cbreak | if you define your function as function (this) use this, if you define it as function (self) use self |
| 17:57.49 | ReAn | it's saturday, the administrative people are prolly not in |
| 17:58.14 | Beladona | if you are calling an external function to the SetScript then you will need to pass self into it |
| 17:58.23 | Beladona | just in case that wasn't obvious |
| 17:58.25 | Nom- | Ya, but Monday is when the next beta batch is sent |
| 17:58.51 | Nom- | So I'm hoping they kinda just merge the last 2 weeks together... i want to get testing a couple of new mod ideas I have from new beta features :D |
| 17:58.54 | Beladona | cbreak: this will NOT work unless you set it and pass it |
| 17:59.03 | Beladona | its easier to just not use it |
| 17:59.12 | Nom- | My current process is to upload them and wait for someone to test, which isn't a very effective way to develop a mod :P |
| 17:59.15 | cbreak | if you don't set arguments, you won't get arguments |
| 17:59.19 | ReAn | Nom-: only one week has been sent |
| 17:59.24 | Beladona | self is set in frame scripts already |
| 17:59.36 | Beladona | which is what ReAn was asking in the first place |
| 17:59.36 | cbreak | if you SetScript(function() end) you won't have any argument |
| 18:00.25 | Nom- | ReAn: I know, but the next one goes on Monday apparently |
| 18:00.50 | ReAn | yea, so the ones they send out monday wont be processed by blizzard later |
| 18:00.50 | Beladona | I dont think you understand what I am saying cbreak |
| 18:01.25 | Nom- | No, you're misunderstanding... the list of addon authors who want beta is sent to blizz on monday |
| 18:01.28 | Beladona | frame:SetScript("OnEvent",function() DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(self:GetName()); end); |
| 18:01.30 | Beladona | that will work |
| 18:01.36 | Gnarfoz | gah googlecode makes me wanne strangle someone |
| 18:01.42 | Nom- | and blizz hasn't sent out keys for the one which was sent last monday yet |
| 18:01.44 | Beladona | assuming frame exists |
| 18:01.50 | Gnarfoz | why can't I choose category etc myself when reporting an issue |
| 18:02.05 | ReAn | yes, but im saying i think that blizzard will send out keys for LAST monday's batch THIS monday, so THIS monday's batch wont be GROUPED |
| 18:02.06 | Gnarfoz | Tuller: patch for Bagnon 1.5.2 on your gcode page, description says it all ;) |
| 18:02.29 | Nom- | Yeah, that's the most likely scenario, but one can hope ^_^ |
| 18:02.31 | Garoun|Loupana | and the patch releases won't matter anyway |
| 18:02.38 | ReAn | <Nom-> So I'm hoping they kinda just merge the last 2 weeks together... <--- i was basically arguing against that |
| 18:02.46 | ReAn | but only blizzard knows! |
| 18:02.46 | Garoun|Loupana | they send them out in the order they got them most likely since that's what they did last year |
| 18:02.57 | ReAn | although |
| 18:03.03 | ReAn | i got my key last year on a friday |
| 18:03.04 | Garoun|Loupana | they just started at 1 and went until th eend |
| 18:03.09 | Beladona | who knows, but rumor is people who got added to the batch just this last week are supposed to be getting it monday |
| 18:03.22 | Beladona | but its possible they are a week off I guess |
| 18:03.50 | ReAn | it took roughly 1 week last year |
| 18:03.51 | Nom- | nah... the batch that was sent last monday (6 days ago) hasn't got their yet... the next list is sent to blizz on monday |
| 18:04.11 | Nom- | i'm in the batch which should be sent tomorrow |
| 18:04.16 | ReAn | same |
| 18:04.22 | Nom- | so am just kinda hoping, but it doesn't look likely |
| 18:04.22 | ReAn | <--- #303 |
| 18:04.26 | Garoun|Loupana | the bactch from last week was sent, just not the keys |
| 18:04.34 | Nom- | Yes, that's what I'm saying.. |
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| 18:04.50 | ReAn | geez |
| 18:05.02 | ReAn | CommunicationDaemon("#wowuidev")->Reboot(); |
| 18:05.09 | ReAn | nobody seems to be on the same page today |
| 18:05.19 | ReAn | :p |
| 18:05.20 | Garoun|Loupana | people usually post there number and when they got their key, so I wouldn't bother fretting until the first person gets theirs :) |
| 18:05.58 | ReAn | well 1-475 were sent i think >_> |
| 18:06.03 | ReAn | or was it 425? |
| 18:06.15 | Garoun|Loupana | it's in the post Cair sent |
| 18:06.23 | ReAn | ya |
| 18:06.27 | ReAn | and by sent |
| 18:06.30 | ReAn | i mean to BLIZZ |
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| 18:08.24 | starlon | I bet they get sent out with the next opt-in wave. |
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| 18:12.57 | Gnarfoz | that'd be harsh |
| 18:12.58 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 18:13.11 | Gnarfoz | anyone know how to set the default codepage on windows xp? |
| 18:14.14 | Wobin | Isn't it in Regional settings? |
| 18:14.25 | Wobin | third tab or something |
| 18:14.28 | Beladona | bbl |
| 18:15.18 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: nah, that sadly only has a language selector |
| 18:16.20 | Gnarfoz | chooses OEM 437 for english (which is fine in an by itself), but if an app (like GnuWin32 likes to do) outputs stuff not in that codepage, I get wrong stuff on umlauts etc |
| 18:16.28 | Wobin | under advanced? |
| 18:16.31 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 18:16.34 | Wobin | Code Page Conversion Tables |
| 18:16.40 | Gnarfoz | "chcp 850" does it, but that's not sticky |
| 18:16.45 | Gnarfoz | that's just a list of which ones to install |
| 18:17.10 | Wobin | oh |
| 18:17.20 | ReAn | well |
| 18:17.21 | Wobin | No idea then |
| 18:17.31 | ReAn | admitedly i think i'd rather beta keys come in on monday |
| 18:17.44 | ReAn | that way we dont waste our weekend trying to copy chars over to the beta realms |
| 18:18.03 | Wobin | I'd make a terrible beta tester |
| 18:18.08 | Wobin | I would log in |
| 18:18.10 | Wobin | check my addons work |
| 18:18.13 | Wobin | and log out =P |
| 18:19.26 | Gnarfoz | what I don't get is: |
| 18:19.32 | Nom- | I'm going to level sometihng to 80... not sure what yet |
| 18:19.48 | Nom- | I want to play all my characters to 80 now... they all have something cool |
| 18:19.48 | Gnarfoz | I set LANGUAGE=de LANG=de and chcp 850 (which is multi-language latin I) and yet... umlauts fail? |
| 18:19.51 | Gnarfoz | how can that be |
| 18:19.53 | Nom- | But I suspect i'll have to choose just one |
| 18:20.19 | Gnarfoz | not that I actually want it displayed in German, I just want it to work out of principle ;p |
| 18:20.38 | Gnarfoz | gnuwin32 should be unicode! :p |
| 18:20.47 | Gnarfoz | goddamn codepage pains =[ |
| 18:21.34 | Gnarfoz | http://www.getdigital.de/products/scheiss_encoding/lng/2 <-- heh. |
| 18:22.01 | ScytheBlade1 | buhahaha @ WoW Insider |
| 18:22.09 | ScytheBlade1 | "Blizzard against open-sourcing Glider code" |
| 18:22.15 | ScytheBlade1 | REALLY, I NEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED |
| 18:22.41 | Thunder_Child | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:22.41 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:22.43 | Gnarfoz | not like they have any say on that ;D |
| 18:25.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: the great thing, is that the glider guy has said in court that he agressively protects his code, and actually "encrypts" it (from the court docs) |
| 18:25.30 | Gnarfoz | riiiight. |
| 18:25.31 | Gnarfoz | ;> |
| 18:25.35 | Fisker- | Wobin my friend! |
| 18:25.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: any "oops I got hacked" means "oh-HO! Really now? Even after ALLL of that protection you put on it?" --> he gets sued into oblivion anyway |
| 18:26.05 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 18:26.25 | Nom- | pfft... it's not hard to leak the source code of an app anyway |
| 18:26.37 | Nom- | it'll happen eventually |
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| 18:31.20 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 18:31.44 | Gnarfoz | chcp 65001 (which shouldbe utf-8) makes my commandline return different characters for ⬠each time I enter it |
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| 18:38.49 | Nom- | At this stage, I think I might level my Pally, and probably DK... I want to see if they've finally fixed ret pallys :D |
| 18:41.48 | Gnarfoz | Nom-: fixed? :> ret pallies rock on beta right now ^^ |
| 18:42.24 | End | yes, well, now they gotta break them |
| 18:42.27 | End | and then fix them again |
| 18:44.03 | Shirik | batrick: ping |
| 18:45.44 | Nom- | Fixed, as in they're broken in live now |
| 18:45.48 | Nom- | And i've not played in beta |
| 18:46.18 | Nom- | The biggest problem is mana tho... so if that's fixed, then yay |
| 18:46.21 | Gnarfoz | heh, live players would probably consider them broken on beta right now, seeing the damage ouptut :D |
| 18:46.54 | Nom- | damage output isn't the only thing... i'm happy with maybe another 10% over what i've got now with same gear, but it's the mana + group utility |
| 18:47.11 | Nom- | we don't need to be best dps, we just need to have enough reliable dps that doesn't require having windfury, then we'll do nice |
| 18:47.33 | Gnarfoz | it's only in instances that I sometimes find myself drinking... because mobs fall over so fast that we're basically chainpulling |
| 18:47.33 | Nom- | the group utility makes up for any lack of dps... assuming that balance is right |
| 18:47.46 | Nom- | That's fine :) |
| 18:47.50 | Gnarfoz | can you play mp4/h264? |
| 18:48.05 | Nom- | me? yes.. |
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| 18:53.01 | Mikk | Groumf... I could have sworn you could catch mount events in some way where you didn't have to have localized spell names |
| 18:53.09 | Mikk | Particularily the start of the cast |
| 18:53.18 | Mikk | Guess I've been sniffing too much glue again |
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| 18:56.57 | Shirik | I love it when I review the code of the people I'm working with, and I see things like |
| 18:57.02 | Shirik | // wtf? |
| 18:57.08 | Shirik | really |
| 18:57.51 | Nom- | lol |
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| 18:58.10 | Ackis | Shirik: I do that in comments on documents I review at work (more politely however) |
| 18:59.14 | Shirik | assert(name /* I don't know how you did this, but you really jacked something up */); |
| 19:00.23 | Daedals | :D |
| 19:00.46 | Daedals | my comments are always like //weirdly done, but works |
| 19:01.06 | Daedals | or --not very clean, but does its work fine |
| 19:01.16 | Nom- | Atlassian Crucible is HOT for doing code reviews :) |
| 19:02.39 | Ackis | I keep getting "hardware changed reload default settings"... where can I change that flag? |
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| 19:03.16 | Pneumatus | dunno Ackis: playing the beta client causes that for me on the live client |
| 19:03.24 | Ackis | yah that's my problem |
| 19:04.01 | Daedals | ye me too |
| 19:04.39 | Iriel | me three |
| 19:05.11 | batrick | Shirik: pong |
| 19:05.28 | IdentifyTarget | any mods from cosmosui.org in this channel? |
| 19:05.36 | Daedals | but, I dont play in the beta ^^ |
| 19:05.53 | Daedals | I'm just waiting for the key and starting at the login screen |
| 19:07.40 | Shirik | batrick: nm I realized what I was going to say was stupid :P |
| 19:07.58 | Thunder_Child | anyone know whats up with the rather odd talent tree on wow's site? |
| 19:08.52 | batrick | haha |
| 19:08.59 | batrick | Friday's xkcd is awesome |
| 19:09.39 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 19:12.27 | batrick | so tired zzz |
| 19:12.34 | batrick | must stay awake for PUG NAx run |
| 19:12.56 | Nom- | on bet ? |
| 19:13.01 | batrick | imma buy me some old school armor |
| 19:13.01 | Nom- | not worth it if it's on live imo |
| 19:13.26 | batrick | it's worth it on my server :P |
| 19:14.04 | batrick | If you could buy a piece of T3 for ~200-300g, I know most of the people here would :) |
| 19:14.11 | batrick | especially since gold is so fucking worthless right now |
| 19:14.24 | Thunder_Child | NO U |
| 19:14.30 | batrick | NO |
| 19:14.31 | batrick | U |
| 19:14.32 | batrick | R |
| 19:14.34 | Thunder_Child | wow...i feel dirty doing that |
| 19:14.36 | batrick | batbot: rite? |
| 19:14.36 | batbot | batrick, Yes... Definitely. |
| 19:15.09 | batrick | A corrupted ashbringer went for 4500G last run |
| 19:15.21 | batrick | split between 25 or so people that stay the whole raid and don't buy anything |
| 19:15.47 | Nom- | lol |
| 19:15.52 | Shirik | win: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f5eec3dfdbd360024005c05b49e0c7a2.jpg |
| 19:15.52 | Nom- | i wish i had stupid amounts of gold |
| 19:16.01 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557026006&sid=1 |
| 19:16.03 | batrick | for those curious |
| 19:16.05 | Nom- | then i could get riding for my other toons |
| 19:16.41 | batrick | Shirik: ? |
| 19:16.44 | Nom- | lol what you got that colors your logs Shirik ? |
| 19:16.51 | Shirik | that's just vim |
| 19:16.52 | batrick | I have like |
| 19:16.58 | batrick | gigabytes worth of logs with that shit |
| 19:17.06 | batrick | fucking chinese bot nets |
| 19:17.06 | Shirik | save me from evils batrick! |
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| 19:17.25 | Nom- | oh lol |
| 19:17.43 | Nom- | imo turn off password login |
| 19:17.45 | Nom- | only allow keys |
| 19:17.54 | Shirik | That is in the process of being done :) |
| 19:18.00 | batrick | just use good passwords and you won't have problems |
| 19:18.09 | Shirik | I do have good password imo |
| 19:18.15 | batrick | they only brute force unconfigured/poorly configured machines |
| 19:18.31 | Thunder_Child | like Shirik's |
| 19:18.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:18.36 | Nom- | passwords are easy to brute force or find laying around on someone's desk etc |
| 19:18.37 | Shirik | they didn't get in! |
| 19:18.50 | batrick | If you write it down anywhere it no longer is a good password :P |
| 19:18.51 | Nom- | and before you say it, brute forcing is easy, it just takes time |
| 19:18.52 | Shirik | obviously dkp.heresiarchguild.com is still up |
| 19:19.14 | malikeye | external updates (wowint) for jwowupdater aren't being logged correctly |
| 19:19.21 | malikeye | that devloper hang out here ? |
| 19:20.12 | batrick | plus |
| 19:20.22 | batrick | I wrote a lua script that automatically bans IPs for me |
| 19:20.33 | batrick | it's sexy |
| 19:20.38 | batrick | Shirik: u want?! |
| 19:21.00 | batrick | my hosts.deny file is probably a couople megs by now |
| 19:21.43 | batrick | nah, only 11 kilobytes |
| 19:21.46 | batrick | im kinda disappointed |
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| 19:23.09 | Nom- | heh... i just firewall ssh off to only a couple of IP's |
| 19:23.27 | batrick | I log into my box from too many IPs when I'm at school |
| 19:23.39 | Nom- | Work and that's about it... if i'm somewhere *else*, i can VPN to work, and ssh from there :P |
| 19:24.41 | Shirik | batrick: I already have that |
| 19:24.44 | Shirik | it's called fail2ban :) |
| 19:25.02 | batrick | that some shitty python script? |
| 19:25.03 | Shirik | though it won't pick up botnets like that where each ip only makes one request |
| 19:25.07 | Pneumatus | fail2ban is nice because it writes to iptables |
| 19:25.10 | Shirik | I dunno what it's written in :P |
| 19:25.16 | Pneumatus | yeh, its python |
| 19:25.17 | batrick | sounds like one |
| 19:25.37 | malikeye | nevermind, looks like it might've been a permissions issue on my share |
| 19:25.56 | batrick | I made a lua script to do it all for me rather than use that crap |
| 19:26.27 | Shirik | my fail2ban log is 52KB :) |
| 19:26.33 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: what highlighter is that? :< |
| 19:26.38 | Shirik | it's just vim |
| 19:26.41 | Shirik | I didn't add anything special |
| 19:26.47 | Gnarfoz | then someone did it for you |
| 19:26.52 | Shirik | gentoo |
| 19:26.53 | Gnarfoz | my vim doesn't highlight that =[ |
| 19:26.54 | Shirik | does it on all my boxes |
| 19:27.01 | Gnarfoz | debilian here =] |
| 19:27.08 | Shirik | oh well see that's your problem |
| 19:27.51 | Industrial | </3 distro specific configs for software packages... just ship vim default? :S |
| 19:28.02 | batrick | !lua bytecode |
| 19:28.02 | batbot | batrick: > table: 0x80dded8 |
| 19:28.09 | batrick | wut is that |
| 19:28.27 | Shirik | psh, I <3 it Industrial |
| 19:28.30 | Shirik | that highlighting is nice |
| 19:28.41 | Shirik | it also highlights my make.conf, etc. |
| 19:29.20 | Industrial | Shirik: sure but not having some things and others not having things you do is horrible :p |
| 19:29.36 | Industrial | default + vim.org scripts for all, go go \o/ |
| 19:29.36 | Gnarfoz | yeah, they should push that upstream. :p |
| 19:30.18 | Shirik | I can give you the script if you tell me where to find it |
| 19:31.15 | batrick | just give them your .vimrc file shirik |
| 19:31.28 | Shirik | I doubt my .vimrc file has anything to do with it |
| 19:31.31 | Shirik | I can give you it, it's one line long |
| 19:31.43 | Shirik | set background=dark |
| 19:31.52 | batrick | ok |
| 19:31.57 | batrick | give them your /etc/vim/vimrc file |
| 19:33.14 | batrick | that's where all the gentoo specific shit would be |
| 19:33.42 | Nom- | ok nite all... going sleep now |
| 19:34.53 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/92984 |
| 19:36.18 | Shirik | batrick, you're a POSIX master |
| 19:36.45 | Shirik | I used select() to determine that I can read from a file descriptor. How do I know how much I can read without blocking? |
| 19:37.09 | batrick | i don fuckin know |
| 19:37.14 | Shirik | bah |
| 19:37.16 | Shirik | worthless! |
| 19:37.20 | Shirik | now I have to go to documentation |
| 19:37.24 | batrick | do i look like a man page?! |
| 19:37.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:37.37 | batrick | read the fine manual |
| 19:38.04 | Shirik | besides, we don't have man pages |
| 19:38.05 | Shirik | we have use pages |
| 19:38.14 | batrick | whatever |
| 19:38.25 | batrick | reminds me of windows |
| 19:38.29 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:38.34 | batrick | "let's be different for the sake of being different" |
| 19:38.43 | Iriel | Shirik: If you're not using buffered IO doesn't a read just read what's available then stop? |
| 19:39.02 | Shirik | I'm not really sure honestly |
| 19:39.04 | Iriel | Shirik: I used select extensively in my distant past and dont recall having to do anything 'clever' |
| 19:39.09 | Shirik | I have a lot more familiarity in windows apis |
| 19:39.17 | Iriel | I'm sorry |
| 19:39.48 | Shirik | it's ok :) It's very possible what you're saying is accurate. I don't have the robot here to test, unfortunately |
| 19:40.08 | Iriel | If you want to be super paranoid set the FD to non-blocking I/O |
| 19:41.45 | Iriel | I think the 'proper' way is.. |
| 19:41.49 | Iriel | (a) set your FD to non-blocking |
| 19:41.55 | Iriel | (b) use select to tell you when there's something there |
| 19:42.20 | Iriel | (c) read until you're done or you get EGAIN |
| 19:42.52 | Atriace | Is there a Dev guild on any servers? I seem to remember there being two on Draka. |
| 19:42.58 | Shirik | ah, you're right. I can just do a read() with a large buffer, and it will return indicating how many bytes were read |
| 19:43.06 | kd3 | secure templars on alliance pve |
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| 19:43.16 | Iriel | fcntl(fd, F_SETFL, O_NONBLOCK) |
| 19:43.26 | Shirik | O_NONBLOCK has no effect in the case where some bytes are available, even if not nBytes are available |
| 19:43.40 | Shirik | (according to my documentation, which may be different) |
| 19:43.43 | Atriace | kd3: what server? |
| 19:43.59 | Shirik | ok that works then Iriel, thanks |
| 19:44.00 | Iriel | I'm 99% certain that if you do a read and there aren't enough bytes to fill your buffer you get back just the bytes that were available |
| 19:44.03 | kd3 | northrend |
| 19:44.22 | Iriel | i.e. int got = read(fd, buf, 1024); |
| 19:44.25 | Iriel | got == 50 |
| 19:44.27 | Iriel | or whatever |
| 19:45.15 | Atriace | Uh... I don't believe Northrend is a server. |
| 19:45.23 | Atriace | It's not showing. (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/compat.html) |
| 19:45.28 | Iriel | Northrend is the PVE server |
| 19:45.31 | Iriel | Beta |
| 19:45.34 | Atriace | doh |
| 19:45.39 | Atriace | Well, that will help monday. hehe |
| 19:46.02 | Atriace | I meant standard side. |
| 19:46.52 | Iriel | There's one or two on Draka, yes, but I dont know how frequently folks are on there |
| 19:47.05 | Iriel | I log in there maybe once every couple of months when I dont want to be bothered |
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| 19:48.41 | Atriace | Well, is anyone on anywhere (except for beta) that could help me test a readycheck? |
| 19:49.13 | Iriel | I dont have wow up i'm afraid |
| 19:49.30 | Hjalte | Atriace: what do you need tested? |
| 19:49.37 | Atriace | A readycheck. |
| 19:49.54 | Hjalte | How can I help you? |
| 19:50.32 | Atriace | If you could, log into a server, invite me to a raid, and initiate a readycheck. |
| 19:50.55 | Atriace | I'm currently on Draka, atm. |
| 19:51.26 | Hjalte | Atriace: EU or US? |
| 19:51.31 | Atriace | US |
| 19:51.45 | Hjalte | Too bad, I'm EU :) |
| 19:52.01 | Atriace | Oh noes |
| 19:52.13 | Thunder_Child | i'll do it Atriace |
| 19:52.25 | Atriace | Thank you, Thunder_Child. |
| 19:52.39 | Pez | Some people are idiots.. Would you, as a participant, want to pay for the facilities of a conference / seminar, og the content of it? |
| 19:52.46 | Pez | or* |
| 19:53.11 | Thunder_Child | it will take me a sec Atriace, didnt have the latest patch |
| 19:53.20 | Atriace | No worries. |
| 19:53.31 | Atriace | I'll grab a drink. |
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| 19:54.52 | Thunder_Child | well Pez, both |
| 19:55.14 | Thunder_Child | i wont beable to pay much attention if i am sitting on a foldout chair for 8 hours |
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| 19:55.40 | Pez | Ok, here's the thing. In Norway, higher level schools (colleges and universities and such) have quite nice facilities, nice auditoriums and all that. |
| 19:56.01 | Pez | and it's cheaper than say a hotel conference / seminar thing. |
| 19:56.24 | Pez | they've got just about the same standards. Which would you pick? |
| 19:56.49 | Pez | the school would mean you pay less for participating, or that the content was improved because there was more money to use for it. |
| 19:56.55 | Thunder_Child | Atriace, alliance/horde? |
| 19:57.00 | Atriace | Alliance |
| 19:57.06 | Atriace | Though I can log into horde if you need. |
| 19:57.23 | Thunder_Child | no, it's fine |
| 19:58.11 | dread | Is there an easier way to use this concept, other than creating locals over, and over again? here's the code http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92985 |
| 19:58.41 | Xinhuan | its fine dread |
| 19:58.56 | Thunder_Child | Atriace, what name? |
| 19:59.07 | Xinhuan | or just input the tables directly into the :SetBlah() |
| 19:59.16 | Atriace | Ansu (although I did pm you earlier.) |
| 19:59.24 | Atriace | ;) |
| 19:59.24 | Xinhuan | like :SetBlah({some values}) |
| 19:59.28 | Thunder_Child | oh, my bad |
| 20:01.04 | dread | hm..alrighty then |
| 20:03.44 | Hjalte | cladhaire: Dongle is giving me a weird error when logging in to one of my characters (it seems to only be this one though): http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92987 |
| 20:22.50 | Mikk | unpossible |
| 20:22.55 | Mikk | dongle is error free!!!111 |
| 20:25.10 | Hjalte | It might be my fault, seeing as it doesnt error on any other character. |
| 20:27.53 | Atriace | There's got to be a better way to know whether a toon name is x UnitID than comparing GUIDs of both, I hope. |
| 20:30.32 | Atriace | for example: arg = "MrToon"; if UnitID("arg")==UnitID("party1") then block end; |
| 20:30.45 | Iriel | UnitIsUnit |
| 20:30.57 | Atriace | I thought that only accepted UnitIDs |
| 20:31.08 | Atriace | oh snap |
| 20:31.11 | Shirik | UnitIsUnit("targettarget","player") to see if you have aggro on your target, eg. |
| 20:31.12 | Atriace | It accepts unit names. |
| 20:31.17 | Iriel | Oh, then UnitName and UnitIsPlayer |
| 20:31.50 | Atriace | Well, except Iriel, I need to know if MrToon == raidN |
| 20:32.03 | Shirik | Are you sure that MrToon is in your raid? |
| 20:32.09 | Atriace | Yup. |
| 20:32.16 | Shirik | If so, it's as simple as UnitIsUnit("MrToon", "raidN") |
| 20:32.29 | Shirik | since MrToon is a valid unit ID if he's in your raid |
| 20:32.30 | Atriace | Alright, that makes sense. Thanks. |
| 20:32.38 | Shirik | but be careful because that will error if he's not |
| 20:33.04 | Atriace | Well it's for a readycheck, sooo... |
| 20:33.04 | Iriel | WHy can't you just iterate over the raid unit ids? |
| 20:33.04 | Iriel | and check UnitName? |
| 20:33.53 | Atriace | You could. The issue is the return argument from READY_CHECK_CONFIRM is the unit name and not the UnitID (ie., raidN) |
| 20:34.45 | Atriace | Just trying to turn on/off a frame for raidN based on his unit name. |
| 20:34.52 | Iriel | Maybe i'm missing something but it sounds like you're turning smething very simple into a complicated nightmare |
| 20:35.12 | Shirik | yeah I have to agree with Iriel here |
| 20:35.17 | Atriace | That's what it's feeling like. I don't want it to be-it shouldn't be a nightmare. |
| 20:35.22 | Shirik | that sound like an odd case to use UnitIsUnit |
| 20:35.32 | Iriel | Just loop through the raid members |
| 20:35.41 | Iriel | and check UnitName("raid" .. i) == whateverName |
| 20:36.00 | Iriel | It's simple, doesn't have to be OnUpdate quick, and doesn't require any wierdness |
| 20:36.24 | Xinhuan | why do you need to know if the person is in the raid? |
| 20:36.25 | Xinhuan | if he isn't |
| 20:36.28 | Iriel | And now i'm recalibrating this screen so I'll be idle for a few minutes |
| 20:36.32 | Xinhuan | he can't issue a ready check or answer one |
| 20:36.54 | Atriace | Xinhuan: someone who is not in the raid is a moot point. |
| 20:36.56 | Shirik | he doesn't Xinhuan, he knows the user is in the raid |
| 20:37.07 | Shirik | he's trying to figure out who it is |
| 20:37.31 | Pneumatus | tried looking at how ora2 does it? |
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| 20:39.19 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 20:39.25 | Xinhuan | well just loop over like iriel said |
| 20:39.27 | Xinhuan | easiest method |
| 20:39.42 | Atriace | :) |
| 20:39.51 | Atriace | Yeah, I got to work on that. I like it. |
| 20:41.31 | Iriel | Hm, it may be time to retire this old monitor soon |
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| 20:45.24 | Iriel | I already have one |
| 20:45.28 | Iriel | this is actually my first LCD monitor |
| 20:45.32 | Iriel | So it's quite old |
| 20:45.34 | Iriel | and starting to fail |
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| 21:05.21 | ReAn | wtf Iriel |
| 21:05.31 | ReAn | i bought mine when a 17" LCD was nearly $1000 |
| 21:05.36 | ReAn | and it still runs fine |
| 21:05.44 | ReAn | what the hell did you do to your LCD? |
| 21:05.46 | Iriel | This one was, IIRC, $1,300 for a 21" |
| 21:06.00 | ReAn | that's still younger than mine i bet |
| 21:06.07 | Iriel | The backlight is faded significantly, so I can't bring it into calibration with my newer one |
| 21:06.12 | Iriel | and I've lost a couple of columns |
| 21:06.20 | ReAn | brand? |
| 21:06.25 | Iriel | It's a Samsung |
| 21:06.31 | ReAn | wow really? |
| 21:06.35 | Iriel | it's been good to me overall, but it's been constantly used since I got it |
| 21:06.37 | ReAn | mine too and it's runnin perfectly |
| 21:07.13 | Anaral | Heh, according to Fizzwidget Hunter's Helper, the Sewer Beast in Stormwind actually exists. I thought that it was taken out in the first Beta? |
| 21:07.31 | Atriace | lua> v = nil; if v and v<1 then print("how the heck?") end |
| 21:07.31 | lua_bot | Atriace: No output |
| 21:07.35 | Iriel | The biggest issue is that at FULL brightness it still isn't as bright as my other monitor at nearly zero brightnewss |
| 21:07.49 | kd3 | it exists |
| 21:07.52 | kd3 | I've killed it plenty of times |
| 21:08.02 | Atriace | lua> v = nil; if v<1 then print("silly") end |
| 21:08.03 | lua_bot | Atriace: luabot:1: attempt to compare nil with number |
| 21:08.05 | Gnarfoz | yeah, how did you get the idea it was taken out :> |
| 21:08.10 | Atriace | ~botsnack |
| 21:08.10 | purl | :), Atriace |
| 21:08.25 | Thunder_Child | Atriace, thats 2 diff bots |
| 21:08.37 | Atriace | I know, but I feel better treating one than none. |
| 21:08.45 | Anaral | I've never seen it in two years of play. |
| 21:08.49 | Thunder_Child | ~sigh Atriace |
| 21:08.49 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Atriace!" |
| 21:08.54 | Atriace | lol |
| 21:09.26 | Atriace | Well, maybe if lua> botsnack ever becomes a command, I'll use it. |
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| 21:13.54 | Thunder_Child | heh, total addon memory: 64.5 |
| 21:14.01 | Thunder_Child | MiB |
| 21:14.03 | Atriace | :o |
| 21:14.22 | Thunder_Child | current mem is ~80MiB |
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| 21:21.58 | Lukian | Rogue spreadsheets! link them please! |
| 21:28.36 | Atriace | A reverse UnitName would be cool. |
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| 21:36.30 | Thunder_Child | ~duck Thunder_Child |
| 21:36.31 | purl | ACTION gives Thunder_Child a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels Thunder_Child with it's big white wings. |
| 21:36.40 | Thunder_Child | ummm.... |
| 21:36.42 | Thunder_Child | crap |
| 21:37.08 | Thunder_Child | ~dodge malreth |
| 21:37.08 | purl | at the last second thunder_child dodges out of the way of malreth's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
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| 21:43.17 | Shirik | I think I shall go to panera |
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| 21:56.11 | Pez | ... Ook, this is very weird. I keep getting bumped out of the WoW window. |
| 21:56.47 | malreth | sorry... Pez. I'm still new to this keylogging thing. I'll be more careful next time. |
| 21:57.04 | Pez | -___-' |
| 21:57.12 | Cairenn | so no happy happy joy joy news yet guys? |
| 21:57.27 | Thunder_Child | ffs malreth. RTFKLM |
| 21:57.30 | Xuerian | Cairenn: should there be? |
| 21:57.40 | Cairenn | was hoping |
| 21:58.07 | malreth | oh yeah? |
| 21:58.13 | malreth | well, i don't want to see any key |
| 21:58.15 | Cairenn | well duh |
| 21:58.21 | Pez | I have a fresh installation of WoW, with now all the patches. I started it up, I see a black screen, hear the WoW music, and get bumped out of the WoW window. |
| 21:58.23 | Xuerian | Yeah, no key yet here either |
| 21:58.23 | malreth | what does that mean now? |
| 21:58.51 | Thunder_Child | Pez, when you say bumped....what exactly do you mean? |
| 21:59.12 | Thunder_Child | you mean focus is being taken away? |
| 21:59.13 | Pez | Ok, you know how when you alt-tab your way out of WoW? |
| 21:59.40 | Thunder_Child | ok, though if you play windowed that doesnt happen the same way :p |
| 22:00.01 | Pez | WoW is still on the taskbar, I try clicking on it, I get a black flickering sceeen, and suddenly I see this chat again. |
| 22:00.19 | Thunder_Child | have you tried the usual? |
| 22:00.20 | malreth | quit all other applications, try again. |
| 22:00.28 | malreth | if that doesn't work, reboot and try again |
| 22:00.30 | Thunder_Child | update video/audio drivers |
| 22:00.46 | Xuerian | going to go with drivers and directx update here |
| 22:00.49 | Thunder_Child | pray to the wow gods, etc. |
| 22:01.18 | malreth | i think it's just standard windows weirdness and some other app stealing focus |
| 22:01.55 | Pez | I don't see what program that could be. |
| 22:02.07 | malreth | yeah, that's why i recommend rebooting |
| 22:02.18 | Xuerian | In soviet russia, focus steals your applications. |
| 22:02.27 | Pez | Yeah, rebootins is probaly a good plan. |
| 22:02.35 | Pez | I can reboot while I put toppings on the pizza. :P |
| 22:02.41 | malreth | in soviet shattrath, reputation grinds YOU |
| 22:02.44 | Pez | see you in a bit guys. |
| 22:02.48 | Xuerian | haha. |
| 22:02.51 | malreth | pizza! |
| 22:02.52 | Pez | and thanks. |
| 22:03.06 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, you have it backwards |
| 22:03.25 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: Do tell |
| 22:03.45 | Thunder_Child | i just did tell... |
| 22:04.21 | Xuerian | I mean explain further, since I believe I have it right. Normally, applications steal focus. Meme demands norm be switched and "In soviet russia" prefixed. So I did. |
| 22:04.33 | Xuerian | Just because what's happening to pez isn't normal, doesn't mean it's still not valid. :) |
| 22:04.41 | Thunder_Child | no, i set focus, aplications dont |
| 22:04.50 | Xuerian | you set focus |
| 22:04.54 | Xuerian | applications steal focus |
| 22:04.58 | Xuerian | what are you missing here? |
| 22:04.59 | Thunder_Child | no, no they do not |
| 22:05.05 | Xuerian | yes, yes they do. >_> |
| 22:05.12 | Xuerian | [18:01]Thunder_Child says "Steal my focus will you? damn upstaging programs" |
| 22:05.13 | Xuerian | quoth you |
| 22:05.13 | Thunder_Child | if they do it's only because i started said app |
| 22:05.29 | Xuerian | However, it's not you stealing the focus, it's still the application |
| 22:05.44 | Thunder_Child | no it isnt, it cant steal something i gave freely |
| 22:06.20 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: Again, normal. Normal is windows. and it is also fairly normal for windows programs to steal focus on normal (IE, ones not set NOT to) setups of windows |
| 22:06.22 | Xuerian | THEREFORE |
| 22:06.25 | Xuerian | my meme is still valid. |
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| 22:07.15 | Thunder_Child | WHAT! |
| 22:07.28 | Thunder_Child | no way, also, thet sentence is hard to follow |
| 22:07.37 | Xuerian | You followed it, that's the point |
| 22:07.38 | Xuerian | Also |
| 22:07.45 | Xuerian | WHAT IS YOUR OBJECTION TO THAT SENTENCE OMG |
| 22:08.02 | Thunder_Child | that it's hard to follow...didnt i just sy that? |
| 22:08.06 | Thunder_Child | say* |
| 22:08.34 | Thunder_Child | also, Guillotine, where are my damn batteries already??? |
| 22:08.47 | Xuerian | oh wait |
| 22:08.55 | Xuerian | Let me clarify, what was the "No way" for! |
| 22:09.05 | Guillotine | I hid them in your various electronics |
| 22:09.09 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: we really don't want to hear about your "personal massager" |
| 22:09.36 | Thunder_Child | 1. Cairenn, lies , you know you want to. 2. Guillotine. no, no you did not |
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| 22:19.07 | malreth | man, i can just go all day with one of those massagers. all i need is a glass of water to keep me hydrated. |
| 22:19.36 | zenzelezz | just don't get them off ebay |
| 22:19.46 | Xuerian | ew.. |
| 22:19.46 | zenzelezz | never know where those have been |
| 22:20.57 | Cairenn | ewwwww |
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| 22:36.57 | foxlit | For some reason, http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=178209&title=the-news-better-run is amusing |
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| 22:46.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol wtf @ UI forums |
| 22:46.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 |
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| 22:46.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Read the first three thread titles that aren't a sticky |
| 22:46.47 | Shirik | lmao |
| 22:48.35 | Xuerian | gg, kosanna |
| 22:49.05 | Cairenn | that's sad |
| 22:51.33 | cladhaire | Hjalte: that is such an old error, I'm not sure whats going on. Sounds like you definitely have something out of date |
| 22:52.11 | Hjalte | cladhaire: I'm quite sure everything is up to date. I update all my addons through wowinterface and files.wowace.com with jWU. |
| 22:52.38 | cladhaire | you are using an older Dongle version in some addon, I can almost guarantee you that. |
| 22:53.25 | cladhaire | and by you i mean one of the addons you are using |
| 22:55.22 | cladhaire | Hjalte: would you do me a favor and /dump DongleStub.log |
| 22:55.27 | cladhaire | and screenshot it for me, or something? |
| 22:55.35 | cladhaire | you can post any ss's at http://images.gammatester.com |
| 22:55.35 | Hjalte | cladhaire: Sure. |
| 22:55.40 | cladhaire | wanna try and help you figure out what sup |
| 22:57.47 | Hjalte | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92997 |
| 22:57.53 | Hjalte | I copied it from the chat frame |
| 22:58.01 | Hjalte | cladhaire: ^ |
| 22:58.29 | cladhaire | oro |
| 22:58.32 | cladhaire | let me look at your error again now. |
| 22:58.57 | Xuerian | foxlit: Rofl |
| 22:59.42 | Hjalte | cladhaire: You want me to link it again or do you still have it? |
| 22:59.45 | Ackis | wow you guys are slow, it took a whole minute for my add-on update to be approved this time! :P |
| 22:59.47 | cladhaire | I still have it |
| 22:59.56 | cladhaire | when does this error occur? |
| 23:01.14 | Ackis | <-- sarcasm |
| 23:01.24 | Hjalte | cladhaire: On login with ControlFreak enabled. |
| 23:01.49 | Cairenn | Ackis: I sowwy :( |
| 23:02.26 | cladhaire | Hjalte: could you try dropping this file in the ControlFreak directory, to see if it fixes the issue: http://dongle.googlecode.com/svn/tags/Dongle-1.0-r1146/Dongle.lua |
| 23:02.36 | cladhaire | I'm almost positive I've fixed this bug |
| 23:02.41 | cladhaire | it was a load order issue |
| 23:05.35 | Hjalte | cladhaire: Yep, that fixed it. |
| 23:06.20 | cladhaire | okay |
| 23:06.22 | Hjalte | You need to yell at Tekkub to update the Dongle version in his release, I guess :) |
| 23:06.25 | cladhaire | Tekkub: ^^ |
| 23:06.42 | Thunder_Child | actually, just yell at Tekkub all the time |
| 23:06.54 | Tekkub | if that fixes it, I certainly will :P |
| 23:07.07 | cladhaire | Tekkub: its a bug fix in the same major rev |
| 23:07.12 | cladhaire | you know that i dont break things in major revs |
| 23:07.20 | cladhaire | thats why Dongle-1.1 and Dongle-1.2 exist :P |
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| 23:08.00 | Tekkub | I know you don't, but you know I don't push out embed updates unless there's good reason |
| 23:08.11 | cladhaire | a bugfix is a damn good reason nublet :P |
| 23:08.13 | Tekkub | also, you wrote 1.2? heh |
| 23:08.17 | cladhaire | this is like a year old too |
| 23:08.20 | Tekkub | yes it is :P |
| 23:12.38 | Tekkub | *yawn* so has anyone deciphered the new state header crap so I can fix tekPopBar? |
| 23:13.02 | haste | sounds like you have a job to do |
| 23:13.27 | Tekkub | I don't even know how tPB works in it's current state, but it does |
| 23:14.05 | haste | :D |
| 23:17.36 | Iriel | Tekkub: what do you need to know about it? |
| 23:17.59 | Thunder_Child | ah, the master has arived |
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| 23:18.24 | Iriel | (I'll note there's an updated version in the pipe, but it's not emerged into a build yet, so all answers have a small amount of 'almost'ness about it) |
| 23:18.25 | Tekkub | hum, well let me just describe tPB and you tell me how to do it in the new system :) |
| 23:18.33 | Iriel | How about I describe the new system? |
| 23:18.34 | Iriel | 8-0 |
| 23:18.36 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 23:18.55 | Tekkub | it's the standard base bar with stances/possession swapping |
| 23:18.58 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, stop being lazy |
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| 23:19.19 | Tekkub | then when you hover over a button, a subbar with like 3-6 buttons pops out |
| 23:20.02 | Iriel | ok, so the piece of that that's "least stable" right now will be the hovering (anything OnUpdate-y) |
| 23:20.10 | Tekkub | describe away Iriel, or point me at docs if there are some? :) |
| 23:20.28 | Iriel | I haven't written them yet -- there's some comments but they're more about the impl. than how you use it. |
| 23:20.37 | Tekkub | yes the hovery bit is the whole gimmick of the addon |
| 23:20.41 | Iriel | The basic gist is this.... |
| 23:21.03 | Iriel | Rather than use a fairly non-intuitive 'state' engine to limit what users can do |
| 23:21.13 | Iriel | instead lua code is compiled in a restricted sandbox |
| 23:21.33 | Iriel | You get a subset of the lua, WoW and frame API's |
| 23:21.41 | Iriel | and can only work with explicitly protected frames |
| 23:22.18 | Iriel | There are a whole bunch of small XML templates you can use for different things like OnClick, OnEnter, etc |
| 23:22.31 | Tekkub | oh cool so it's basically abandoning the state stuff and going back to the old direct lua... except you're in a restricted environment? |
| 23:22.42 | Iriel | each of them essentially selects an attribute on the header, compiles the value of that attribute as lua, and then runs it |
| 23:22.43 | Iriel | yes |
| 23:22.49 | Tekkub | I love you man |
| 23:22.58 | Iriel | the trick was building a working restricted environment |
| 23:23.41 | Iriel | (By the way, if anyone can BREAK it (by which I mean, make it do something it shouldn't be able to, without tainting the entire world or rendering the game unplayable) please let me know) |
| 23:23.50 | Iriel | Look at the Restricted*.lua files |
| 23:23.50 | Tekkub | so I might be a good test monkey since my need is kinda unique, but within the rule |
| 23:23.57 | Iriel | and then SecureHandlers.* |
| 23:24.25 | Iriel | There's support for OnUpdate too, but it has some issues, so I'm sure there will be some changes to that |
| 23:24.39 | Iriel | (But yes, at the moment you can smoothly animate secure frames, which is WAY cool) |
| 23:24.54 | Tekkub | mmm... that is a nice thing |
| 23:25.18 | Tekkub | not that I'll waste proc on animating :) |
| 23:25.20 | Iriel | Oh, the other concept is 'frame handles' |
| 23:25.48 | Iriel | Actually 2 concepts, frame handles and the 'global' environment |
| 23:26.05 | Iriel | The global environment of any state header function is a special restricted table that's tied to the header |
| 23:26.13 | Iriel | You store stuff in there just by writing to globals |
| 23:26.17 | Iriel | get it back out by reading |
| 23:26.26 | Iriel | (Within your restrcited code) |
| 23:26.48 | Tekkub | neato |
| 23:26.53 | Iriel | You can store most simple values, frame handles, and restricted tables (You can't create raw lua tables, but you can use newtable() to create a proxied table-like object) |
| 23:27.32 | Iriel | frame handles represent any explicitly protected frame, you're always passed a 'self' that represents the 'interesting' frame for a handler, and there's an 'owner' global set which is the header (you can overwrite that yourself if you want) |
| 23:27.59 | Iriel | Also, you can (out of combat) set a special attribute on the header with the value of a protected frame, and it'll set a different attribute with a frame handle to that frame |
| 23:28.11 | Iriel | so any header can impact any frame -- it's not parent-child only anymore |
| 23:28.23 | Iriel | I'm omitting a bunch of details but it's not like you can't read the source 8-) |
| 23:29.51 | Saiket | Anybody know if any work has been done to figure out the Model uiobject other than what little is on WowWiki? Maybe an existing addon that uses them well? |
| 23:30.55 | cladhaire | What do you want to know about them? |
| 23:31.51 | Saiket | I've run into a couple problems while writing an addon to overlay models on the screen. |
| 23:32.00 | Saiket | For example, the z-coordinate never works. |
| 23:32.16 | Saiket | Also, GetWidth and GetHeight return big numbers, like 3777. |
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| 23:32.34 | Saiket | Derivatives like PlayerModel don't behave the same way, it seems. |
| 23:32.38 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 23:33.04 | Atriace | Woah.... |
| 23:33.55 | Saiket | I managed to figure out how to map 2d UI coords to the Model's coordinates, but the formula really makes no sense to me. I've never seen it mentioned, so I wonder if anyone ever uses this stuff. |
| 23:34.00 | Atriace | Iriel: what's this? No more generic custom Lua tables? Limited OnUpdate usage? |
| 23:34.23 | cladhaire | Saiket: I don't think people have used it all that much beyond the PlayerFrame |
| 23:34.32 | cladhaire | and I used it in an older version of TomTom for the minimap arrows. |
| 23:35.06 | Saiket | That's one of the things I'm trying to do; make a model match the angle of the camera, like an arrow. |
| 23:35.34 | Mery | yeah tried that too ... no success |
| 23:36.02 | cladhaire | well that depends entirely on the model you're using |
| 23:36.09 | cladhaire | you can look at an older version of TomTom to see how I do it |
| 23:36.19 | Saiket | As far as I can tell, we can only control the yaw of models though. |
| 23:36.22 | Atriace | NOOOOO! He's gone. |
| 23:36.26 | Saiket | We can't roll them along with the camera. |
| 23:36.30 | cladhaire | Atriace: what do you want to know? |
| 23:37.24 | Atriace | Iriel said some jarring things like limited OnUpdate usage and no more custom Lua tables (at least that's what I thought I read) |
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| 23:38.17 | Atriace | Wondering if any of it was true or if they were specific issues to the new SecureStateHeader methodology in WotLK. |
| 23:38.28 | cladhaire | the are specific to the state system |
| 23:38.35 | cladhaire | of course everything else stays the same |
| 23:38.41 | cladhaire | that's for doing things with secure frames |
| 23:39.23 | Atriace | So, apart from states, OnUpdate and Lua tables won't be affected or given limited sandbox usage? |
| 23:39.25 | Mery | Saiket: yeah, probably one way with the current api could be to create a bunch of cameras and select the proper one depending on the angle - but i didn't find a way to edit m2's |
| 23:39.42 | cladhaire | Atriace: NOTHING change in WoW except the secure template system with regards to state headers |
| 23:39.48 | cladhaire | this is ONLY that system |
| 23:39.53 | cladhaire | and the code is all fully visible |
| 23:40.08 | Xuerian | This is us getting cool stuff back from when secure frames were implimented |
| 23:40.24 | cladhaire | yep |
| 23:40.27 | Xuerian | s/from when/from before when/ |
| 23:40.46 | Saiket | Cladhaire: Do you know off-hand what version of TomTom might have used the arrow model, or maybe how you described it in your changelog? |
| 23:41.52 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/download.php?id=7032&aid=16244 should use it |
| 23:41.54 | cladhaire | r69 |
| 23:42.10 | Saiket | Oh, I was only a few miles off. |
| 23:48.45 | Shirik | my code has turned into spaghetti :( |
| 23:49.08 | Shirik | Trying to write a generic manager to handle several serial lines and multiple devices on the same line all in one thread is not easy :( |
| 23:52.26 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 23:52.26 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:53.05 | Shirik | :( |
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