| 00:00.31 | Xuerian | Hm... Someone needs to make a universal release-site agnostic addon info site with pictures/descriptions/download page links. |
| 00:00.46 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 00:00.53 | JoshBorke | so like a meta addon site? |
| 00:00.54 | Lunessa | heh. And who foots the bill? |
| 00:01.06 | clad|sleep | i'd foot the bill for that |
| 00:01.10 | clad|sleep | but then people will want the same as an updater |
| 00:01.14 | clad|sleep | and that won't ever happen |
| 00:01.15 | clad|sleep | =( |
| 00:01.18 | Xuerian | Wouldn't be a updater. |
| 00:01.26 | JoshBorke | ~lart clad|sleep |
| 00:01.26 | purl | pours gasoline all over clad|sleep, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 00:01.27 | clad|sleep | but thats all people would ask for |
| 00:01.29 | clad|sleep | but i agree, it would be nice |
| 00:01.31 | JoshBorke | go back to sleep clad|sleep |
| 00:01.35 | Xuerian | Yeah, "Would be nice" is about it |
| 00:01.38 | Lunessa | vranx does something kind of like that - http://www.vranx.com/ |
| 00:01.39 | clad|sleep | if anyone wants to do it, let me know |
| 00:01.43 | clad|sleep | i'll give em space /shell :P |
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| 00:08.32 | Kaso | I did too |
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| 00:08.56 | Kaso | I enjoyed it, there were a couple glaring holes from bits cut out from editing though |
| 00:09.08 | Lunessa | clad|sleep: ... I shudder to think it... but, um.. maybe I'd give it a stab. |
| 00:09.25 | clad|sleep | shoot me an email with your thoughts and we'll figure something out |
| 00:09.39 | Lunessa | Ok. |
| 00:11.07 | batrick | so did Cairenn say it's likely they will send out beta invites friday? |
| 00:11.15 | batrick | I thought I saw that somewhere |
| 00:11.48 | laeg | does anyone know what realm ming the rogue AEP guy plays on? |
| 00:11.49 | Cairenn | I said I didn't expect to see them before friday, when I was discussing someone having gotten a phising email last night |
| 00:12.09 | batrick | ah, my bad :) |
| 00:12.11 | laeg | wowwiki says lightning blade but that server doesn't exist in the armory |
| 00:12.19 | Lunessa | Xuerian: Were you expecting such a site to host the files, or simply point to sites which do so? |
| 00:12.20 | batrick | thx Cairenn =) |
| 00:12.25 | Cairenn | batrick: p :) |
| 00:12.28 | Cairenn | np* |
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| 00:12.59 | Cairenn | it'd be nice if you guys seem them Friday, I'm hoping you will, but I really honestly don't know |
| 00:13.04 | Cairenn | see* |
| 00:13.17 | Xuerian | Lunessa: No, not host. "Clean and concise" info site. A resource for anyone describing addons to anyone else. |
| 00:13.17 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i'll give you a hand if i can, it's a laudable idea |
| 00:13.54 | clad|sleep | i can pretty much give you whatever framework you want, etc. |
| 00:13.56 | clad|sleep | just pitch the idea to me |
| 00:14.02 | clad|sleep | talk amongst yourselves for right now :P |
| 00:14.04 | Lunessa | So something that would include images/screenshots, instructions, tutorials and options? |
| 00:14.09 | Cairenn | Xuerian: you mean something like this? http://www.wowinterface.com/survivalguide.php |
| 00:15.23 | Cairenn | and ... there was someone I was talking to in here about the fact that they were starting to work on one, plus discussing one that already exists ... but damned if I can remember right now |
| 00:15.31 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Blips like that, but with screenshots and categorization by category and perhaps a scale like "Simple" and "Advanced" |
| 00:15.33 | Lunessa | I mean, not to step on someone else's toes, but something along the lines of the tutorials at omgphatloots.org and vranx.com, but bigger? |
| 00:15.38 | Thunder_Child | logs Cairenn, logs |
| 00:15.58 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: I know, but I'm too tired to be bothered going through it right now :p |
| 00:16.13 | Xuerian | It wouldn't have any bug reports, discussion, any other links than links to wowi/curse/author submitted link |
| 00:16.13 | Cairenn | and too brain dead to figure out what to search on, anyway |
| 00:16.27 | Kirov | You know, that almost sounds like something someone should write a book about ... |
| 00:16.28 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, and simple catagorys...since otherwise if this indeed does host many of them it will be to large of a list |
| 00:16.32 | Lunessa | So mostly examples, screenies, and links/ |
| 00:17.20 | Xuerian | Pretty much. |
| 00:17.21 | Lunessa | No compilations, just AddOns - and not the files, just links. |
| 00:17.32 | Xuerian | Right. |
| 00:17.51 | Lunessa | It is indeed, a laudable project. |
| 00:17.55 | Cairenn | damnit, now you guys are making me wake up from my snooze, have to find the conversation |
| 00:18.03 | Xuerian | Haha. |
| 00:18.07 | Thunder_Child | ~snooze Cairenn |
| 00:18.13 | Thunder_Child | again you fail me purl |
| 00:18.25 | Xuerian | Like eh.... |
| 00:18.31 | Xuerian | A "Open directory project" of addons |
| 00:18.48 | Lunessa | Searchable/Indexed/Categorized |
| 00:19.10 | Cairenn | damnit, who was the conversation with |
| 00:19.11 | Lunessa | A meta-site + information. |
| 00:19.38 | Xuerian | Right. Attractive features to users would be such as listing mods that do the same thing (grouped together) while browsing a category. |
| 00:19.49 | Cairenn | ah hah! Fin! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15846 |
| 00:19.50 | Lunessa | Xuerian: Hm... Someone needs to make a universal release-site agnostic addon info site with pictures/descriptions/download page links. - 7:00 pm GMT-6 |
| 00:20.27 | Xuerian | Cairenn: Following link, but description sounds like it |
| 00:20.35 | Cairenn | it is |
| 00:21.15 | Xuerian | Well, it's definitely got the aggregation and searchable down, but the "Addon newb guildy-friendly" aspect is lacking |
| 00:21.19 | Cairenn | someone else in here had been talking about making something like it, and I pointed them to that link as well |
| 00:21.47 | Xuerian | Thanks for pointing it out, Cairenn, enjoy the nap :p |
| 00:22.13 | Cairenn | what I need is about 24hrs straight :p |
| 00:22.21 | Xuerian | that too >.> |
| 00:22.31 | Thunder_Child | also each addon only has one "site" attached to it on the main page |
| 00:22.43 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 00:22.46 | Thunder_Child | i lied |
| 00:22.51 | Lunessa | Or a shot of whiskey and a plate of scrambled eggs w// maple syrup? |
| 00:23.01 | Cairenn | ewww, eggs |
| 00:23.18 | NightHawkTheSane | eggs with maple syrup? |
| 00:23.19 | Lunessa | Ok, ok... Whiskey and ice cream |
| 00:23.24 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Lunessa |
| 00:23.24 | purl | pours gasoline all over Lunessa, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 00:23.45 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: It's a Canadian thing - I saw it on menus in Toronto. |
| 00:24.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ... crazy canadians |
| 00:24.08 | Lopeppeppy | I have the ice cream... |
| 00:24.10 | Cairenn | maple syrup goes with almost every breakfast food |
| 00:24.18 | Cairenn | and is very yummy over ice cream, too |
| 00:24.18 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Don't knock it |
| 00:24.22 | NightHawkTheSane | maple syrup and cereal? |
| 00:24.24 | Xuerian | Syrub on eggs, yumm |
| 00:24.25 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, steak? |
| 00:24.30 | Xuerian | Cereal, rice |
| 00:24.31 | Cairenn | I said *almost every* |
| 00:24.31 | End | Cairenn: is this always how you half sleep? |
| 00:24.32 | NightHawkTheSane | maple syrup on toast? |
| 00:24.39 | Lopeppeppy | Maple syrup over snow. Yum |
| 00:24.44 | Xuerian | Hey, I'd eat it on steak |
| 00:24.44 | bleeter | maple syrup on maple syrup?? |
| 00:24.44 | Cairenn | End: I said you guys woke me up |
| 00:24.47 | NightHawkTheSane | maple syrup over fruit. |
| 00:24.47 | Dashkal | Must be an eastern canadian thing... |
| 00:24.49 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: YUM |
| 00:24.57 | End | It wasn´t my fault! |
| 00:25.02 | End | I was being very quiet! |
| 00:25.03 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, noo.... |
| 00:25.05 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:25.14 | Lunessa | damnit now i'm fscking hungry. |
| 00:25.25 | Lunessa | I demand maple syrup. |
| 00:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i've got apple cider syrupt.. |
| 00:25.33 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry Lunessa. *hangs head* I only have mint chip ice cream |
| 00:25.35 | NightHawkTheSane | -t |
| 00:25.38 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: Vancouverite and I've never heard of syrup on eggs. Doesn't sound bad, mind you, I just hadn't heard of it |
| 00:25.57 | Xuerian | Shoneys. |
| 00:25.59 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: straight from the tree, boiled then poured over the snow ... mmmmmmmmmm |
| 00:26.01 | Xuerian | Scrambled eggs. |
| 00:26.03 | Xuerian | Cheese. |
| 00:26.04 | Xuerian | Syrup. |
| 00:26.05 | Xuerian | Win. |
| 00:26.08 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Save me some. All I have is a coke and some peanut butter crackers. |
| 00:26.33 | Dark_Elf | likes mustard on my eggs |
| 00:26.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i've had that. its okay. |
| 00:26.56 | Dashkal | Cairenn: That mental image was pure EVIL.... Now I gotta get some... |
| 00:27.24 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa-love, for me it's ice cream and diet coke. Cupboards are bare. |
| 00:27.41 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, lets say you have a plate of flapjacks, scrambled eggs, and sausage. the syrup is going to get on every thing and it usually tastes ok |
| 00:27.43 | Lunessa | Wanna go get dinner? I'll buy. :P |
| 00:27.54 | amro | thanks, now I want maple syrup but it isn't sold here |
| 00:28.00 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: I never argued with that :p But I saw no pancakes in the description way up there :p |
| 00:28.05 | Lunessa | amro: I'll mail you some? |
| 00:28.26 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, true, but if you can have it with everything, then why not by itself |
| 00:28.29 | amro | Lunessa: sure. last time I tried getting something in the mail, shipping was almost $800 |
| 00:28.35 | Dashkal | this is true |
| 00:28.37 | Cairenn | oh, and yes, maple syrup on toast ... when it's french toast |
| 00:28.50 | Lunessa | ... $800? HOLY SHIT. |
| 00:28.52 | Cairenn | (which I also hate, because it's made with eggs) |
| 00:28.54 | Dashkal | maple syrup makes french toast good :p |
| 00:29.05 | Cairenn | $800?!?! |
| 00:29.19 | amro | 600 + 200 for insurance |
| 00:29.23 | Dashkal | amro... where are you? |
| 00:29.29 | amro | total was 80% of the item's cost |
| 00:29.36 | amro | algeria |
| 00:29.41 | Dashkal | ahh, that would do it |
| 00:29.43 | Cairenn | how much were you bloody ordering? |
| 00:29.45 | Cairenn | ah |
| 00:30.51 | amro | UPS is greedy :( |
| 00:31.13 | amro | costs less for me to fly there and grab it |
| 00:31.22 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, Xuerian, ok, this is what i have http://wowi.pastey.net/92805 the last 2 will make this a very popular site. |
| 00:31.35 | Thunder_Child | clad|sleep, would this come with adds? |
| 00:31.48 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Yes, those two very important. |
| 00:31.59 | Thunder_Child | i thought you might like that Lunessa |
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| 00:32.24 | clad|sleep | Thunder_Child: what does "would this come with adds" mean? |
| 00:32.27 | Dashkal | Thumbs up for #7 |
| 00:32.31 | clad|sleep | or are you asking if it needs to be ad-based |
| 00:32.34 | clad|sleep | that depends entirely on the popularity |
| 00:32.43 | clad|sleep | but i can support it for quite some time without needing ads, I'd wager |
| 00:32.57 | clad|sleep | in some form or another |
| 00:33.03 | Thunder_Child | yes clad|sleep. thank you for reading through my crappy typing |
| 00:33.12 | Thunder_Child | that answed my question |
| 00:33.14 | clad|sleep | going to bed now, email me what you guys come up with. |
| 00:33.18 | clad|sleep | <3 |
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| 00:35.54 | Lunessa | http://wowi.pastey.net/92806 |
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| 00:37.07 | JoshBorke | nudity is way too far down on the list |
| 00:37.42 | Thunder_Child | it was simply in order of thought |
| 00:38.41 | Xuerian | http://wowi.pastey.net/92807 |
| 00:39.03 | Dashkal | If that was in order of thought, your priorities are obviously strange :p |
| 00:39.30 | amro | what kind of nudity? "See your AddOn authors nude!" doesn't sound like a good idea to me |
| 00:39.36 | Thunder_Child | http://wowi.pastey.net/92808 |
| 00:40.10 | Dashkal | What is the purpose of this site? Is it a developer resource or a user resource? |
| 00:40.17 | Thunder_Child | why not both |
| 00:40.36 | Dashkal | Complexity |
| 00:41.04 | Thunder_Child | as long as it is structured in such a way that it does not make people not understand what to do, it should be fine |
| 00:41.24 | Dashkal | Complexity for the web developer who has to write the damn thing as well |
| 00:41.40 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, maybe, depends how it is done |
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| 00:41.50 | Lunessa | TC - #12 seems over-kill. |
| 00:42.26 | |pez| | damnit |
| 00:42.29 | JoshBorke | agreed |
| 00:42.40 | |pez| | there's a % counter, at the middle of my screen, and it won't go away |
| 00:42.47 | Lunessa | And unless the AddOn Authors look like Selma Hiayk, we might need to tone down number 7. |
| 00:43.10 | Thunder_Child | who said anything about the authors |
| 00:45.05 | Lunessa | Well, I don't want to have to do age verification for site access, but I'm not opposed to delicious nudity. |
| 00:46.00 | Thunder_Child | tasteful damit |
| 00:46.21 | Lunessa | you say tomato... |
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| 00:47.08 | Thunder_Child | yes i do |
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| 00:48.11 | kd3 | ScytheBlade1, short of swapping render modes, no workarounds I've found yet |
| 00:48.28 | Lunessa | Then the issue becomes, format of data and ability to submit data. I don't think it should require user accounts of any kind save for designers/updaters since there are no forums and no file repos. |
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| 00:48.39 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, no not at all |
| 00:48.52 | Thunder_Child | not require, but not even have |
| 00:49.06 | Lunessa | Exactly. Just shell access for the maintainers. |
| 00:49.53 | Thunder_Child | i would say that with the submission form would be the contact for the autor |
| 00:49.56 | Thunder_Child | author* |
| 00:50.37 | Lunessa | So a public e-mail address for submissions. |
| 00:50.59 | Lunessa | And a clear policy saying "We don't host your file." |
| 00:51.02 | Thunder_Child | more than that. it has a "verification" system before it gets posted |
| 00:51.16 | Thunder_Child | so no random emails |
| 00:51.34 | Lunessa | Files get uploaded to current sites: WoWI, Curse, etc. |
| 00:51.46 | Thunder_Child | ya, but they stiull have to be posted here |
| 00:51.51 | Thunder_Child | still* |
| 00:52.03 | Lunessa | All this site does is post screenies, and informational text. |
| 00:52.35 | Lunessa | Before it gets put up, someone on the staff will have to d/l, install, try it out. |
| 00:52.59 | Lunessa | Could be a pretty large task. |
| 00:53.00 | Thunder_Child | wont that be done on the file site? |
| 00:53.17 | Thunder_Child | wait, i think we arent talking about the same thing here |
| 00:53.22 | Thunder_Child | did i miss something? |
| 00:54.08 | Lunessa | Well, unless the author submits screenies and text, where are they going to come from? And ratings? no user-feedback, so who sets them? |
| 00:54.31 | Thunder_Child | who sets what? |
| 00:54.57 | Thunder_Child | and my point is, is are we going to let other than the author post an addons info? |
| 00:55.30 | Lunessa | I think the info should originate from the author - but be editorialized on the site. |
| 00:56.13 | Thunder_Child | sounds like an addon wiki now |
| 00:56.56 | Lunessa | See what this looks like - http://www.vranx.com/ |
| 00:58.15 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, not bad, but light on the info |
| 00:58.30 | Lunessa | right... it's all info vranx put in himself. |
| 00:59.09 | Xuerian | The bureaucracy wouldn't be fun, really. Vranx's site does look good, though it lacks SSs. |
| 00:59.13 | Thunder_Child | wow..it is old, he even has discord on the list of addon sites |
| 00:59.29 | Thunder_Child | oh..nvm, it's still in production |
| 00:59.34 | Lunessa | there's a fan version of discord still being supported. |
| 00:59.49 | |pez| | I remember liking discord. |
| 01:00.04 | Thunder_Child | ya, but it's through the discord site |
| 01:00.09 | Thunder_Child | well good for them |
| 01:00.39 | Lunessa | So between his model and this http://fin.instinct.org/wowmods/ - there's a real niche to fill with a useful meta-site |
| 01:01.08 | Thunder_Child | quite, since i was imaging something a little better than a melding of the 2 |
| 01:01.17 | Cairenn | we might be willing to host it for you guys |
| 01:01.39 | Thunder_Child | thanks for the offer, but wasnt it supposed to be site independant? |
| 01:01.52 | Cairenn | and this wasn't? http://www.wowinterface.com/survivalguide.php |
| 01:02.15 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i didnt come up the the site independant idea |
| 01:02.26 | Thunder_Child | no really my call, just wondering |
| 01:02.26 | Lunessa | clad offered space too. But hosting is hosting, and I'd be happy to have wowi's help. |
| 01:02.28 | Thunder_Child | not* |
| 01:02.37 | bleeter | mooo |
| 01:02.58 | Cairenn | my point is that just because we host doesn't mean it was wowi-centric |
| 01:03.01 | Cairenn | ctmod wasn't |
| 01:03.05 | Lunessa | should make Xuerian do some of the work too... this is his fault. |
| 01:03.07 | Cairenn | ace wasn't |
| 01:03.18 | |pez| | I wonder if I should make a WoWish WordPress theme. |
| 01:03.19 | Thunder_Child | didnt know they were hosted by you guys |
| 01:03.19 | Xuerian | Lunessa: Duno what you're talking about. |
| 01:03.22 | Cairenn | but we hosted both of them for ages |
| 01:03.25 | Xuerian | Lunessa: I was just randomly babbling. |
| 01:03.39 | Lunessa | Watch him squirm. The hook is set. |
| 01:04.09 | Cairenn | all we'd want would be a little graphic block tucked somewhere on the front page saying "hosting provided by wowi" |
| 01:04.46 | Thunder_Child | ok Cairenn, but that would have to be smaller than and next to the one saying "porn hosted by hustler" |
| 01:04.48 | Lunessa | Which is entirely doable. Now just to decide how to actually, you know build the fsking thing. |
| 01:05.21 | Cairenn | the block ace & ctmod had saying that was smaller than the blizzcon graphic I have on my news post |
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| 01:06.03 | Thunder_Child | do i have to point out i am kidding around? |
| 01:06.18 | JoshBorke | yes, not enough emoticons imo |
| 01:06.25 | Thunder_Child | i dont like emoticons |
| 01:06.26 | Lunessa | Oh no, you're in. You're going to work as hard, or harder than I am. |
| 01:06.29 | JoshBorke | then you fail |
| 01:06.38 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i meant with Cairenn |
| 01:06.40 | Cairenn | I'm just saying, we've always been about the community, so of course we would be willing to consider hosting |
| 01:07.19 | Thunder_Child | yes, Cairenn, i agree, i bow before your awesome support of the wow UI community |
| 01:07.24 | Cairenn | :p |
| 01:07.47 | Lunessa | He just wants to bow before her... espcially if he can get her to wear pez's boots. |
| 01:08.35 | Lunessa | Haha.. idea - rating system is in "goblins" 1 goblin = addon n00b, 3 goblins = Goblin Engineer |
| 01:08.39 | Thunder_Child | keep it up Lunessa, i'll buy you a drink at blizzcon, i'm just not sure if i'm gonna throw it at you thats all |
| 01:08.45 | Sargeras | hey baby |
| 01:09.12 | Lunessa | You can buy me a drink, hell you can throw it at me. I'm still not sleeping with you. :P |
| 01:09.23 | Thunder_Child | thats what you think NOW |
| 01:09.26 | Thunder_Child | just wait |
| 01:09.27 | kd3 | wait, wha... |
| 01:09.43 | Sargeras | sex in irc, someone alert the internetz |
| 01:10.08 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, 3 levels of addon complexity raiting? |
| 01:10.32 | Lunessa | Beginner, Advanced, Need A Fsking Degree |
| 01:10.42 | Thunder_Child | whats an example of the last? |
| 01:10.45 | Dark_Elf | hmm didnt know wow had goblins in it |
| 01:10.50 | Lunessa | Discord Frame Modifier |
| 01:10.56 | kd3 | Discord* |
| 01:11.00 | Thunder_Child | hey, DFM was fun and mostly easy |
| 01:11.06 | Lunessa | DUF |
| 01:11.15 | Lunessa | Pitbull would be 2 goblins |
| 01:11.27 | Xuerian | Addons without configuration yet that do advanced things |
| 01:11.29 | Xuerian | Such as oUF |
| 01:11.32 | Thunder_Child | and addon with no config would be one? |
| 01:11.33 | Lunessa | Trinity Bars 2 goblins |
| 01:11.36 | Thunder_Child | addons* |
| 01:11.39 | Lunessa | right. |
| 01:11.50 | Lunessa | Drop it in and it works = 1 goblin |
| 01:11.51 | bleeter | dolby should change star ranking images to goblin faces |
| 01:11.55 | Xuerian | lol |
| 01:12.02 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa though of it first |
| 01:12.03 | bleeter | stuffit |
| 01:12.06 | bleeter | all addon sites should |
| 01:12.12 | Thunder_Child | ~sue bleeter |
| 01:12.13 | purl | ACTION sends an entire multinational firm after bleeter, determined to reduce bleeter to absolute nothingness |
| 01:12.17 | bleeter | or I rank them as FALE |
| 01:12.23 | Thunder_Child | FALE huh? |
| 01:12.35 | bleeter | yar, better believe it |
| 01:12.49 | Lunessa | Stuff that you will spend more time tweaking than actually playing WoW = 3 goblins |
| 01:13.19 | bleeter | tweaking out of game = bonus goblin |
| 01:13.19 | |pez| | Any of you guys have experience with google apps gmail ( e-mail powered by google, on own domain ) and Thunderbird? |
| 01:13.37 | End | yes |
| 01:13.46 | Lunessa | bleeter: LAWL, yes. |
| 01:13.52 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, wait, now are you talking complex or just infinitly convertable? |
| 01:14.35 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Just stuff that is complex to setup/manage. The idea is end-user idea of difficult. |
| 01:14.40 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 01:14.44 | kd3 | oh wow. wha? |
| 01:14.53 | kd3 | they unlearned everyone's "Smelt Elementium" |
| 01:15.02 | End | |pez|: although I'm raiding currently, so I can't help that much :P |
| 01:15.31 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i AM an end user, and my i deas are prolly rather different |
| 01:15.43 | |pez| | End: Oh, hi XD just... I dunno... pm me with server settings and such? |
| 01:15.56 | |pez| | I have no idea what the address to the mailserver is. |
| 01:16.11 | |pez| | Nor what username to use. |
| 01:16.19 | |pez| | End: PM me when you have the time! |
| 01:16.22 | |pez| | No hurry! |
| 01:16.32 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I'm thinking the ratings are 'difficulty to use/setup' not 'quality' |
| 01:17.14 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, it will still have to be lowest common denominator. personally i found all of the discord stuff fun and not all that hard |
| 01:17.16 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I want you to have those shoes too. |
| 01:17.33 | End | |pez|: after boss kill I shall :P |
| 01:17.43 | End | it's pretty similar to gmail's normally settings though |
| 01:17.48 | |pez| | End: There's no rush. :) |
| 01:17.50 | End | normal* |
| 01:18.16 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, what about http://www.shopbop.com/leg-gladiator-sandal-givenchy-shoes/vp/v=1/845524441818046.htm?folderID=2534374302052730&extid=pricegrabber-GIVEN20026 |
| 01:18.17 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 01:18.27 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I expect most stuff will be a 1 goblin, the more intricate stuff to be 2. Anything that requires you to edit lua yourself or make lots and lots of tweaks to get right would be 3. |
| 01:18.30 | Cairenn | yummy |
| 01:18.43 | Thunder_Child | wow, i just saw the 1775 price tag |
| 01:18.54 | Thunder_Child | s/1775/$1,1775/ |
| 01:18.57 | Lunessa | WTB g/f who would wear those boots. |
| 01:19.02 | Thunder_Child | err....crap |
| 01:19.45 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, ok sounds good as far, and it can always be changed if it doesnt work out |
| 01:19.53 | Lunessa | Heh, I've paid $1K for a good pair of custom boots before, but never nearly 2K |
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| 01:20.04 | Lunessa | Right. Seriously. |
| 01:20.07 | |pez| | Lunessa :o |
| 01:20.26 | |pez| | those boots were quite awesome |
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| 01:20.55 | Cairenn | lol, I have a hard time paying $100 for a pair of shoes ... but I'd often like to ... |
| 01:20.56 | Thunder_Child | umm...i should really take trips like that less often |
| 01:21.10 | Lunessa | |pez|: Hand made, custom fitted, most comfortable things I ever wore on my feet. And an ex trashed them in a fight. *sigh* |
| 01:21.19 | Cairenn | :( |
| 01:21.30 | |pez| | Lunessa: that's evil. :\ |
| 01:21.41 | |pez| | I should get custom fitted shoes really. |
| 01:21.43 | Cairenn | urge.to.kill.rising! |
| 01:21.50 | Cairenn | right Lunessa? |
| 01:21.52 | Lunessa | Heh, we should all chip in and buy Cairenn boots... but she has to wear them all through blizzcon |
| 01:22.02 | Cairenn | Lunessa: lol |
| 01:22.14 | Lunessa | Cairenn: It's been almost 9 years, I should let it go. |
| 01:22.20 | Thunder_Child | you know what, we could present that shoe that Cairenn wants to her at the first meetring of the Cairenn fan club. |
| 01:22.32 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Thunder_Child!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 01:22.35 | Lunessa | LOL |
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| 01:22.51 | |pez| | make a chipin thing! - http://www.chipin.com/ |
| 01:22.57 | Thunder_Child | hey, it's a free pair of shoes, stop kicking me |
| 01:23.36 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, and here we all thought it was going to be the other way around |
| 01:24.13 | Lunessa | ... you lost me. |
| 01:24.30 | Thunder_Child | stick banned |
| 01:25.53 | Lunessa | Yeah, this is the part where I just smile and nod. |
| 01:25.56 | |pez| | I have a pair of high heeled shoes I want to modify. |
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| 01:26.14 | JoshBorke | modify or model? |
| 01:26.37 | |pez| | modify. |
| 01:26.43 | ckknight | how do all you document your lua code? |
| 01:26.54 | Thunder_Child | document? whats this word? |
| 01:27.00 | Lunessa | Cairenn: If we take you up n the offer of hosting, e-mail to you is best? |
| 01:27.15 | |pez| | I like the height of the heel, but I don't like the colors and fabric the boot is made of. |
| 01:27.18 | |pez| | therefore, modify. |
| 01:27.18 | Lunessa | ckknight: You meant comment? Or changelogs, or what? |
| 01:27.32 | ckknight | inline documentation in comments |
| 01:27.36 | Cairenn | Lunessa: we'll talk as you guys get more solid on this, okay? |
| 01:27.45 | Lunessa | Sounds good. :) |
| 01:27.46 | ckknight | for public-facing APIs and such |
| 01:28.24 | Lunessa | ckknight: More comments = good and Lua supports /* */ commment blocks. |
| 01:28.35 | ckknight | --[[ ]] |
| 01:28.44 | Lunessa | Or yeah, but you get the idea. |
| 01:29.00 | ckknight | basically, I've been messing with luadoc and wowace's AutoDoc and they both have their own issues |
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| 01:29.12 | ckknight | I'm trying to either find a good solution for me or I may be forced to make my own |
| 01:29.16 | Kaso | --[=[ ]=] too |
| 01:31.01 | ckknight | I'm more referring to documentation created by doc-comments rather than just commenting one's code |
| 01:31.20 | Kaso | ah |
| 01:31.34 | Kaso | i like the equals brackets, they look pretty |
| 01:31.46 | ckknight | that's ...irrelevant |
| 01:32.03 | ckknight | oh well, no one seems to have a very good solution as far as I can tell |
| 01:32.09 | Lunessa | ckknight: Why not just script something to grab a function name and your comments and output it to a text file. Then edit said text file as you desire? |
| 01:32.47 | ckknight | Lunessa: well, if I alter my code which requires a doc change, I'd have to edit said text file multiple times, I'd much prefer an automated solution |
| 01:33.18 | Xuerian | If you're going to write code to document code... |
| 01:33.30 | ckknight | what's wrong with that? |
| 01:33.31 | Xuerian | why don't you just make the next leap and write code to write the code for you? |
| 01:33.32 | Xuerian | :P |
| 01:33.38 | Lunessa | like all hackers, documentation is the last thing you want to do. I know. When I write code I feel the same way. When I write docs I wish the hacker in question would give me more to work with. |
| 01:33.41 | ckknight | because that's asinine. |
| 01:33.50 | ckknight | Lunessa: I'm doing PitBull4 with the docs done first |
| 01:34.01 | ckknight | :-P |
| 01:34.09 | ckknight | (it's a rewrite) |
| 01:34.47 | Lunessa | Sweet. since no other unit frames come close to it in flexibility, I'll assuredly be using it at WotLK launch. |
| 01:35.23 | ckknight | PitBull is horrendous, I have no idea why anyone uses it. It's horrible to configure, not sure how anyone can really work their way around there, it's also a huge mem + cpu hog |
| 01:35.26 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Site would need a name, something like The AddOn Almanac. |
| 01:35.35 | ckknight | thus, rewriting to solve those issues |
| 01:35.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: we configure it once, and pray.. PRAY we never have to touch it ever again |
| 01:35.44 | ckknight | also, it's bad to code against for 3rd-party developers |
| 01:35.47 | Xuerian | Hahaha |
| 01:35.50 | Xuerian | Amen, NightHawkTheSane |
| 01:35.52 | ckknight | since the lack of docs |
| 01:35.53 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, i'll think about it over dinner |
| 01:35.56 | Lunessa | Yes please. Better config ui plox. current one sucks donkey balls. |
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| 01:36.16 | ckknight | Lunessa: currently there's about 200 panels you can configure, in a typical setting |
| 01:36.22 | ckknight | I want to cut it down to â10 |
| 01:36.32 | Xuerian | that's a interesting number. |
| 01:37.33 | ckknight | yea |
| 01:37.48 | Lunessa | 25 raid member frames, party frames, pet frames, party pet frames, raid pet frames, target, tot, focus, focus tot, etc... it adds up fast. |
| 01:38.43 | ckknight | well, really I want it to be X * (N + M) where X = number of layouts (unit frame types will properly share layouts now), N = standard options, M = module options. |
| 01:38.57 | ckknight | X being layouts instead of unit frame types will help a lot |
| 01:39.33 | Lunessa | And like that, he was gone. |
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| 01:40.38 | JoshBorke | i want to go to blizzcon... |
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| 01:43.17 | gramg | identify garfield |
| 01:43.43 | Gnarfoz | he's orange, fat and lazy |
| 01:43.49 | Gnarfoz | also, change your password, probably :p |
| 01:44.19 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe. |
| 01:47.18 | Paene | lol |
| 01:48.00 | Lunessa | Approach Logan-5 and Identify. |
| 01:48.11 | gramg | hehe |
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| 01:55.00 | gramg | ok . . . used my other throwaway password now lol ;) |
| 01:56.21 | Xuerian | now, "orange, fat, and lazy" would be a decent password. |
| 01:56.39 | Xuerian | or spelled backwards, since they're rather easily dict'd |
| 01:56.55 | gramg | lol |
| 01:57.14 | gramg | well anyone who wants to hack an irc pass has problems |
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| 02:04.26 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Author Key Give-Away! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17207 | Dragon Kites for authors: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17261 |BlizzCon UI Community Tentative Schedule, and Group Hotel Rates: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17443 |
| 02:07.53 | Xuerian | That was a interesting event progression. |
| 02:09.24 | NightHawkTheSane | would have been funnier if he left irc. |
| 02:10.22 | sylvanaar | $quit |
| 02:11.32 | sylvanaar | i dont think it likes the $ |
| 02:11.36 | sylvanaar | !quit |
| 02:11.41 | gramg | o_O |
| 02:11.45 | sylvanaar | $Quit |
| 02:11.54 | sylvanaar | pos |
| 02:12.08 | sylvanaar | im in wowuidev thats why |
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| 02:12.46 | sylvanaar | $quit |
| 02:12.56 | sylvanaar | ok, i give up |
| 02:15.12 | Xuerian | ./quit? |
| 02:16.56 | Lunessa | Mah nah ma nah! |
| 02:17.25 | sylvanaar | i was telling my bot to quit, its not happy since i changed from ! to $ |
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| 02:20.04 | Atriace | what the.... |
| 02:20.33 | Arrowmaster | so the new 'beta' really does instantly crash? |
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| 02:22.29 | NightHawkTheSane | "Trust in The Harper. The Harper is good." |
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| 02:24.47 | ckknight | hey all, back |
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| 02:25.24 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I logged in and got "Server Restart in 0:10" and then couldn't logout. Server restarted in less than 0:10 |
| 02:25.30 | Lunessa | WB ckknight |
| 02:25.38 | sylvanaar | yep |
| 02:25.50 | sylvanaar | Arrowmaster im going to see if i can build the source |
| 02:27.24 | Lunessa | Mahna Mahna - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YevYBsShxNs |
| 02:32.51 | Industrial | arent you building the program? |
| 02:32.55 | Industrial | well, the compiler anyway |
| 02:38.24 | sylvanaar | Industrial they have a binary of the 2.0 beta - i tried using it |
| 02:41.16 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: huh? |
| 02:41.49 | Lunessa | The new beta does not insta-crash. :P (asssuming you mean wow) |
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| 02:42.32 | Arrowmaster | no was talking about the addon studio 2.0 |
| 02:42.37 | Arrowmaster | that sylv was talking about |
| 02:43.18 | Arrowmaster | ive always disliked that thing but certain people in here think its ok |
| 02:43.38 | Lunessa | Ah. |
| 02:44.06 | sylvanaar | what thing |
| 02:44.09 | sylvanaar | everything |
| 02:44.11 | sylvanaar | ? |
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| 02:46.45 | sylvanaar | clearly it must be me |
| 02:49.27 | sylvanaar | everyone download this thing now |
| 02:49.29 | sylvanaar | go |
| 02:49.55 | sylvanaar | http://www.codeplex.com/WarcraftAddOnStudio/Wiki/View.aspx?title=SneakPreviewOfVersion2.0 |
| 02:50.01 | sylvanaar | link at the bottom of the page |
| 02:51.21 | sylvanaar | i put a fontstring on a frame using a designer, and i added buttons - they (almost in tears) anchor to things autmatically |
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| 02:52.00 | sylvanaar | go Arrowmaster, http://www.codeplex.com/WarcraftAddOnStudio/Wiki/View.aspx?title=SneakPreviewOfVersion2.0 |
| 02:52.09 | sylvanaar | its insance |
| 02:52.12 | sylvanaar | insane |
| 02:56.30 | sylvanaar | omg it asks if i want to import it from the wowace svn |
| 02:56.33 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 02:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:57.00 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 02:58.00 | sylvanaar | whoa shit it worked |
| 02:58.03 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 02:58.05 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 02:58.07 | ScytheBlade1 | win |
| 02:58.41 | sylvanaar | starts the debugger |
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| 02:59.11 | sylvanaar | omg its serious |
| 02:59.13 | Yssaril | sylvanaar: can it make sense of addons created outside of itself (can it render lua generated frames and such?) |
| 02:59.28 | sylvanaar | no |
| 02:59.48 | sylvanaar | the designers are for xml |
| 02:59.55 | Xuerian | fail |
| 02:59.59 | Xuerian | It was win |
| 03:00.00 | Xuerian | all win |
| 03:00.01 | sylvanaar | (that was ther original intent) |
| 03:00.03 | Xuerian | till right there |
| 03:00.24 | sylvanaar | who sold you that xml was bad? |
| 03:00.36 | Xuerian | I like lua better. I started in XML. |
| 03:00.43 | sylvanaar | its bad if you dont have a designer |
| 03:01.03 | Xuerian | It's bad if you're trying to do anything dynamically generated... I can see doing it for options pages and what-not |
| 03:01.11 | sylvanaar | right |
| 03:01.23 | Xuerian | phft. Guess I'll try it. |
| 03:01.36 | sylvanaar | its very cool |
| 03:01.49 | Codayus | XML isn't bad at all...assuming you don't expect a coder to write an interface in his text editor... |
| 03:02.06 | sylvanaar | exactly |
| 03:02.06 | Codayus | If this has a gui designer, then it's win. |
| 03:02.10 | sylvanaar | it does |
| 03:02.23 | NightHawkTheSane | as sylvanaar said, that's the whole point. |
| 03:02.24 | Codayus | Since I'm at work, probably shouldn't download and test. :-) |
| 03:02.25 | sylvanaar | its like VP, double click on the button and you get an OnClick handler |
| 03:02.29 | sylvanaar | VB |
| 03:03.27 | Codayus | Sweet |
| 03:03.36 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: wait now it imports from the wowace svn? |
| 03:03.36 | sylvanaar | quite honestly - im rather picky about this stuff - but it exceeded my expectations (at least the out of box experience did) |
| 03:03.40 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 03:03.44 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 03:03.48 | Codayus | If done right, that'll be a LOT less painful than trying to do it in lua. |
| 03:03.51 | sylvanaar | its unreal |
| 03:03.51 | Arrowmaster | thats almost worse than what it was before |
| 03:04.07 | Xuerian | Ok, I'm missing the download somewhere >_> |
| 03:04.16 | sylvanaar | bottom of the page |
| 03:04.30 | sylvanaar | that i linked |
| 03:05.07 | sylvanaar | frack |
| 03:05.35 | sylvanaar | that link was wrong |
| 03:05.38 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 03:05.42 | Codayus | Fail |
| 03:05.44 | sylvanaar | http://www.codeplex.com/WarcraftAddOnStudio/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=15777 |
| 03:05.48 | sylvanaar | bottom of that one |
| 03:08.02 | sylvanaar | lol i opened prat into a project straight from the svn |
| 03:08.50 | sylvanaar | starts the debugger for Prat |
| 03:08.54 | Arrowmaster | is it actually doing an svn checkout or just pulling the pages via http? |
| 03:09.27 | sylvanaar | it would do a checkout, but i didnt install the svn plugin so it used html |
| 03:09.28 | Xuerian | Pixar short movies... Once you start watching them, you can't stop |
| 03:09.54 | Arrowmaster | is the intellisense still total fail? |
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| 03:12.23 | sylvanaar | ok, prat's loading technique was too much for it |
| 03:12.28 | sylvanaar | lets try acp |
| 03:13.33 | sylvanaar | yes, the intellisense needs work |
| 03:15.02 | Arrowmaster | so it still picks up local variables from other files? |
| 03:16.47 | sylvanaar | pro tip, DO NOT put your project in the addon folder |
| 03:17.06 | sylvanaar | put it elsewhere, then hit build |
| 03:19.35 | Arrowmaster | duh |
| 03:19.45 | Arrowmaster | PRO TIP, dont use build |
| 03:20.14 | Arrowmaster | does it still completely generate the toc? |
| 03:20.20 | Arrowmaster | and not let you edit it? |
| 03:28.46 | sylvanaar | edit it with what |
| 03:29.04 | sylvanaar | it lets you add fields to it |
| 03:31.09 | Arrowmaster | what about edit what files are included in it? |
| 03:31.12 | NightHawkTheSane | "I can usually spot a planet. They're large, I have good eyes." |
| 03:34.19 | sylvanaar | ok, well, that was fun, it has a initially good out of box appeal, but im not sure what features are working, i should read the preview information |
| 03:35.39 | Arrowmaster | does it still include the 'ingame rss' feature? |
| 03:36.03 | sylvanaar | its in the source |
| 03:36.10 | sylvanaar | but i didnt look for it in the tool |
| 03:36.46 | Arrowmaster | thats because its just a .NET object or something that makes a savedvar files |
| 03:41.23 | Fisker- | it's so cold sylvanaar |
| 03:41.51 | sylvanaar | yeah, thats still there |
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| 03:50.34 | sylvanaar | ok - well, i just looked at the feature page - basically, the things i mentioned working are the only ones - its a nice preview though |
| 03:54.25 | sylvanaar | at least i forgot about my absent beta key for an hour or 2 |
| 04:01.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: ping |
| 04:02.36 | Tekkub | ... |
| 04:02.50 | Tekkub | brb |
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| 04:03.31 | ScytheBlade1 | git is annoying me :( |
| 04:03.42 | Tekkub | ok wut? |
| 04:03.57 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 04:04.12 | Arrowmaster | where are you pushing to? |
| 04:04.12 | ScytheBlade1 | .git/hooks/ is all a+x |
| 04:04.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ssh |
| 04:04.29 | ScytheBlade1 | The entire thing is 777 |
| 04:04.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Not a permissions problem |
| 04:04.35 | Arrowmaster | this your own remote repo? |
| 04:04.38 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 04:04.41 | Tekkub | curseforge I bet |
| 04:04.53 | ScytheBlade1 | hah |
| 04:04.56 | Arrowmaster | by default .git/hooks is all not executable |
| 04:05.22 | Tekkub | it's the remote hook rejecting |
| 04:05.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:05.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It was my 777 that broke uit |
| 04:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | *itt |
| 04:06.00 | ScytheBlade1 | s/tt/t/ |
| 04:06.48 | Tekkub | I will say this now.... |
| 04:06.57 | Tekkub | 5 min on qwerty and I hate it |
| 04:07.00 | |pez| | 2.5 hours, and I can go to bed! |
| 04:07.08 | Tekkub | I will miss my dvorak |
| 04:07.08 | |pez| | Mmm, qwerty |
| 04:07.20 | Tekkub | fucking ergo keyboard |
| 04:07.45 | Arrowmaster | so change the layout.... |
| 04:07.53 | Tekkub | can't |
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| 04:07.58 | Tekkub | I need the letters |
| 04:08.03 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 04:08.07 | Arrowmaster | you dont touch type? |
| 04:08.21 | Tekkub | my brain is fucked up and I can't touch type if the letters are worng |
| 04:08.28 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 04:08.48 | Tekkub | I can type qwerty just fine... but only on a qwerty board |
| 04:08.53 | Arrowmaster | i tried to learn dvorak by just changing the layout with software |
| 04:08.58 | Arrowmaster | i know the feeling |
| 04:09.14 | Tekkub | just like wow, I'm not really a clicker but I need the icons there |
| 04:09.31 | Arrowmaster | even when you have a printout right infront of you, you keep looking at the letters on the keys instead |
| 04:10.06 | Tekkub | yea my old board was str8 rows so I was able to just rejigger the keys |
| 04:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to figure out how to set permissions for multiple people pushing |
| 04:13.38 | Codayus | I got a Das Keyboard; was interesting learning to type without any marks at all. |
| 04:13.53 | kd3 | meh, the marks on my keyboard are wearing out |
| 04:13.57 | Codayus | Didn't think it'd be that hard, since I don't look (or don't think I look) when I type normally... |
| 04:14.09 | Codayus | Turns out? I did. :-) |
| 04:14.21 | kd3 | w, s, d, m, and a few other letters are completely worn out |
| 04:14.35 | End | specifically looking while typing is weird |
| 04:14.55 | Tekkub | what happens is you glance down for a hint and it's not there, and your brain just crashes |
| 04:15.11 | Codayus | Yep |
| 04:15.28 | Tekkub | and MS's key config is just as shitty as logitech's |
| 04:15.35 | Codayus | I suspect using a Das Keyboard is making me a better typist. Or maybe I just tell myself that? |
| 04:15.42 | Codayus | :-) |
| 04:15.52 | Xuerian | Seeing as you can comprehend upwards of 1000WPM, it's not unreasonable that if you flick a glance at the keyboard you'll see and comprehend the key you forgot where was |
| 04:15.55 | Tekkub | board manufacturers could learn a little from video game keybinding UIs |
| 04:16.50 | Tekkub | ALL media and "fn" keys shoud be remapable to ALL available actions and also keys/chords |
| 04:17.21 | Xuerian | Tekkub: autohotkey ftw. |
| 04:17.32 | Tekkub | why can I only disable QfavoritesQ and not, say, bind it to media next? |
| 04:17.45 | Tekkub | link? |
| 04:18.00 | Tekkub | also, Q is not "... damnit |
| 04:18.14 | Xuerian | close :p |
| 04:18.31 | Atriace | lua> print("test") |
| 04:18.32 | lua_bot | Atriace: test |
| 04:18.32 | Xuerian | www.autohotkey.com |
| 04:18.34 | Xuerian | btw. |
| 04:18.55 | Xuerian | Among many of it's abilities is direct key remapping |
| 04:24.25 | sylvanaar | i never learned to type - i have to look at the keyboard until i forget that I am typing - then physical memory takes over |
| 04:26.46 | Xuerian | I rely on the nubs on f and j (qwerty), but beyond that, direct translation from thought to typed. 0_o |
| 04:27.05 | |pez| | People are scary |
| 04:27.15 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: How have you not come to this conclusion earlier? |
| 04:27.34 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, benefit of the doubt |
| 04:30.57 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: remember my saying .... "People suck. Persons can be okay, but people suck." |
| 04:31.16 | End | Mobs especially suck |
| 04:31.16 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, good, but a bit nicer than i would pput it |
| 04:31.21 | Thunder_Child | put* |
| 04:31.43 | Xuerian | The suck of people is directly proportionate to the size of the group, really >.> |
| 04:32.40 | Shirik | Lua has some strange opcodes |
| 04:32.45 | Atriace | There's some part of me that wants to believe that "while foo[i] or foo2[i] do" could work... but that's just stupid. But... it'd make things so much easier. :( |
| 04:33.17 | Shirik | This "SELF" opcode I'm not understanding |
| 04:33.52 | End | It's probably a shortcut for a common operation...what I don't know though |
| 04:34.27 | Shirik | foo:bar() gets translated into "<GET foo>, SELF 'bar', CALL" instead of "<GET foo>, GETTABLE 'bar', <GET foo>, CALL |
| 04:34.35 | Shirik | it does seem like a shortcut |
| 04:34.47 | Shirik | just seems odd to have a shortcut for something that's already relatively simple like that |
| 04:36.37 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: foo:bar() syntax is optimized different and faster than foo.bar(foo) |
| 04:36.44 | Shirik | yeah that's what I'm saying |
| 04:36.47 | Shirik | it just seems odd :P |
| 04:36.59 | Shirik | I guess it is really frequent |
| 04:40.20 | sylvanaar | i made a little tool to make c like listing files for lua, it just matches the source lines with the lua listing, but its nice to see what instructions are needed for each line |
| 04:40.29 | Nom- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8430106185&postId=84292583557&sid=1#7 <-- woot XD |
| 04:41.11 | sylvanaar | self is very similar to the getglobal opcode |
| 04:41.48 | End | well, both get a value from a table |
| 04:41.58 | Shirik | I actually implemented GETGLOBAL and GETTABLE in the same block |
| 04:42.01 | Shirik | because they were too similar :P |
| 04:43.41 | Shirik | End, technically though, SELF gets two values, whereas GETGLOBAL only gets one :) |
| 04:44.01 | Shirik | So I can't put all 3 together :( |
| 04:44.13 | End | Well |
| 04:44.53 | End | the table is already on the stack |
| 04:44.56 | Arrowmaster | the optimization is only when you call the function right? |
| 04:45.05 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:45.05 | End | and it just gets the function |
| 04:45.09 | Shirik | it's for the "foo:bar()" call syntax |
| 04:45.24 | Shirik | the optimization is that you get both function foo.bar and foo on the stack in one opcode, in the right order |
| 04:45.37 | Arrowmaster | so it doesnt matter ifyu define it as foo:bar() or foo.bar(self) |
| 04:45.48 | Shirik | End: The table is already on the stack, sure, but it's in the wrong order :) |
| 04:45.55 | Shirik | right Arrowmaster |
| 04:46.08 | End | well, it generates different opcodes ;-p |
| 04:46.15 | Shirik | not the definition |
| 04:48.50 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/92816 |
| 04:49.33 | End | oh yeah, I didn't notice he was talking about definition |
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| 04:50.56 | Shirik | I feel kinda bad for krka though |
| 04:51.06 | Shirik | he has like 30 lines for arithmetic operations because he has to handle metatables, etc. |
| 04:51.09 | Shirik | whereas I have... |
| 04:51.17 | Shirik | if instruction == OP_ADD then result = x + y; |
| 04:51.17 | Shirik | elseif instruction == OP_MUL then result = x * y; |
| 04:51.19 | Shirik | etc. |
| 04:51.27 | Shirik | (this of course is after I figure out wtf x and y are) |
| 04:51.28 | sylvanaar | http://wowi.pastey.net/92817 |
| 04:52.12 | Xuerian | nifty |
| 04:52.22 | sylvanaar | it is especially when the files get big |
| 04:53.45 | sylvanaar | lol, i broke pastey |
| 04:54.04 | Arrowmaster | how? |
| 04:54.07 | Atriace | When considering a simple for statement (for v = e1, e2, e3 do block end), does the for statement allow for a test as the first part? I've somehow managed to completely avoid this looping method and don't know how to wield it. |
| 04:54.12 | sylvanaar | too much text |
| 04:54.54 | sylvanaar | its easy to read lua opcodes, they translate directly into c statments |
| 04:55.11 | Xuerian | If you know c, anyway |
| 04:55.14 | Arrowmaster | for v = 1, 0, 1 do end gets completely skiped if thats what your talking about |
| 04:55.18 | Atriace | In my case, I want to try "for foo[i] == 1, 1, 1 do block end" |
| 04:55.45 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:55.51 | Atriace | Pity. |
| 04:56.06 | Shirik | the other thing that confuses me is this |
| 04:56.20 | Shirik | local foo, bar = nil; does not compile the same as local foo, bar = nil, nil |
| 04:56.48 | Shirik | which is odd because there's no stack manipulation there except setting nil to two locations on the stack |
| 04:57.15 | Arrowmaster | lua> local foo, bar = true, true; local foo, bar = nil; return foo, bar |
| 04:57.15 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil, nil |
| 04:57.32 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 04:57.48 | Shirik | uh |
| 04:57.56 | Shirik | I should point out the flaw in your example |
| 04:57.59 | Shirik | where you have "local" twice :P |
| 04:58.05 | Shirik | however the results should be the same iirc |
| 04:58.16 | Arrowmaster | no i ment that |
| 04:58.25 | Arrowmaster | lua> local foo, bar = true, true; foo, bar = nil; return foo, bar |
| 04:58.25 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil, nil |
| 04:58.31 | Arrowmaster | but i guess that works too |
| 04:58.42 | Shirik | the second "local" would mean you lost those first two vars |
| 04:59.08 | Shirik | anyway |
| 04:59.10 | sylvanaar | lua> local foo, bar = true, true; foo, bar = bar; return foo, bar |
| 04:59.10 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: true, nil |
| 05:00.09 | sylvanaar | i absoultely hate that |
| 05:00.45 | Shirik | it's nice though |
| 05:00.55 | Shirik | lua> local a,b = 1,2; a,b = b,a; return a,b; |
| 05:00.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2, 1 |
| 05:01.04 | Shirik | not many languages where you can do that :) |
| 05:01.46 | sylvanaar | with good reason |
| 05:02.13 | Shirik | lua> return #newproxy() |
| 05:02.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to get length of a userdata value |
| 05:02.20 | Shirik | hrm |
| 05:03.06 | Shirik | lua> local v = newproxy(true); getmetatable(v).__len = function() return #nil end; return #v; |
| 05:03.06 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to get length of a nil value |
| 05:03.08 | Shirik | perfect! |
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| 05:20.54 | krka | yeah, metatables are a big pain in the ass for implementing a VM |
| 05:26.58 | sylvanaar | i dont like them in general |
| 05:27.58 | haste | why not? |
| 05:28.02 | Gnarfoz | :| GetPlayerBuff gone makes me unhappy =[ |
| 05:28.46 | haste | and soon deprecated Gnarfoz :D |
| 05:28.57 | Gnarfoz | it'll make me deprecated? |
| 05:29.10 | haste | no, they are removing it |
| 05:29.16 | Gnarfoz | yes, that's what I said |
| 05:29.31 | haste | oh, I skipped the gone :( |
| 05:29.35 | Gnarfoz | it just means that there's no damn working buff display mod for beta and I don't have a clue how to "convert" any of them to use UnitAura |
| 05:30.02 | Shirik | krka: I plan to literally set metatables on the values in Lua, make it easy for me :D |
| 05:30.24 | sylvanaar | why dont i like them? they just seem unnatural, or non-intuitive |
| 05:30.25 | Shirik | the symmetry is beautiful |
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| 05:37.28 | Gnarfoz | hm |
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| 05:37.42 | Gnarfoz | haet |
| 05:37.56 | Gnarfoz | now I'm trying to fix Buffalo because it actually seems not so complicated |
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| 05:40.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | My friend just gave me source code to a small python app he wrore |
| 05:40.32 | ScytheBlade1 | *wrote |
| 05:40.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a peer to peer rock/paper/scissors game, that used a distributed has table to find people, and UDP to punch holes through NAT firewalls |
| 05:41.08 | Gnarfoz | !api UnitAura |
| 05:41.09 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UnitAura'. |
| 05:41.11 | Gnarfoz | !api UnitAura() |
| 05:41.12 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UnitAura()'. |
| 05:41.16 | ScytheBlade1 | *hash |
| 05:41.43 | Gnarfoz | how is it that I cannot find docs on UnitAura oO |
| 05:41.54 | Gnarfoz | is that new in 3.0? |
| 05:42.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 05:42.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Read the 3.0 changes thread for more info |
| 05:42.54 | Thunder_Child | Read? |
| 05:42.58 | Thunder_Child | whats this word mean? |
| 05:43.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Blasphemy, I know |
| 05:44.28 | Thunder_Child | no, i know what blasphemy means, and it does not mean read |
| 05:45.13 | Sixen | What's the name of the "Frost Wyrm quest"? |
| 05:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:45.17 | Sixen | Found out what happens to me.. |
| 05:45.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:45.27 | Sixen | Page 2: |
| 05:45.27 | Sixen | Name: Sixen |
| 05:45.28 | Sixen | Status: Deceased |
| 05:45.28 | Sixen | Comment: Died with his mouth open. |
| 05:45.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have to go see |
| 05:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahahah |
| 05:45.33 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 05:45.34 | Sixen | =X |
| 05:45.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Win |
| 05:45.38 | Xuerian | o_0 |
| 05:45.40 | Sixen | agreed |
| 05:45.42 | Xuerian | wtf? |
| 05:45.45 | Sixen | updating the wiki atm |
| 05:46.01 | kd3 | make a new {{book}} |
| 05:46.06 | kd3 | don't overwrite the one already there |
| 05:46.12 | Codex| | ~seen kaso |
| 05:46.14 | purl | kaso <n=Kaso@host81-157-189-9.range81-157.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4h 14m 40s ago, saying: 'i like the equals brackets, they look pretty'. |
| 05:46.36 | Sixen | Of course, kd3. |
| 05:46.36 | Sixen | =) |
| 05:46.54 | Sixen | Should I update it to include Page numbers? |
| 05:47.06 | ScytheBlade1 | How many different versions of the book are there? Just the starting one and the one after you do the wyrm quest? |
| 05:47.13 | Sixen | 2 AFAIK. |
| 05:49.22 | Sixen | KD3 |
| 05:49.27 | Sixen | What's the Frost Wyrm quest called? |
| 05:49.36 | kd3 | an end to all things... |
| 05:49.45 | Sixen | "An End To All Things..." ? |
| 05:50.13 | kd3 | ya |
| 05:50.18 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:An_End_To_All_Things... |
| 05:50.43 | Sixen | <3 |
| 05:52.32 | haste | god, downloading WoW is 6.6G |
| 05:53.39 | Thunder_Child | haste, you mean base + expac? |
| 05:53.48 | Thunder_Child | + patches |
| 05:53.55 | Tekkub | ScytheBlade1, SBOOOOOOGE |
| 05:54.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Tekkub |
| 05:54.09 | purl | cats /dev/urandom into Tekkub's ear |
| 05:54.20 | Thunder_Child | really Tekkub, you still going on about that |
| 05:54.26 | Tekkub | don't make me Sbo all over you |
| 05:54.37 | Thunder_Child | i'll take that as a yes |
| 05:54.39 | Tekkub | yea it's too damn enjoyable |
| 05:56.56 | haste | Thunder_Child: yes |
| 05:57.32 | haste | worst part is that I have the CDs and such, but no CD-drive :D |
| 06:01.37 | Thunder_Child | ~crazy |
| 06:01.38 | purl | you so cuhraaazy, thunder_child |
| 06:01.54 | Thunder_Child | NO U PURL |
| 06:04.18 | Xuerian | haste: So I'm not the only one that has so many hdds that I have no room for a optical? :P |
| 06:04.52 | Thunder_Child | i have 5 HD's and 1 optical and could have 6 HD's and 2 opticals |
| 06:05.03 | haste | apparently :p |
| 06:05.38 | Codayus | Naa |
| 06:05.59 | Xuerian | I get them for free, they're like candy :( |
| 06:06.01 | Codayus | IDE isn't that old... |
| 06:06.37 | Xuerian | I think my main data one is failing, though. Tends to have nasty coughing fits and crash wow now and then >.> |
| 06:07.56 | Arrowmaster | i keep getting bad block errors in my windows system message log but when i run the diag program from WD that checks the SMART data it says everything is fine |
| 06:08.12 | haste | my OS disc is making some nice high pitch noises now and then |
| 06:08.24 | Xuerian | Arrowmaster: Get HDTune and look at the smart data yourself |
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| 06:08.28 | haste | it's my last drive using PATA however |
| 06:08.29 | Xuerian | though WD drives are rather smart on what they report |
| 06:08.44 | Xuerian | s/smart/sparce/ |
| 06:08.47 | haste | and it's old as hell |
| 06:09.02 | Arrowmaster | although ive had 5 WD drives die on me now all without a single warning beforehand from SMART |
| 06:09.51 | Arrowmaster | when i finally build my new custom NAS with a big ass raid6 array im not going to use WD drives |
| 06:10.08 | haste | seagate! |
| 06:10.27 | Xuerian | Haven't had a single drive fail completely yet, thankfully.. |
| 06:10.29 | Codayus | Just stay away from Samsung, whatever you do. :-/ |
| 06:10.30 | Arrowmaster | although WDs largest drives are all 'green' now anyway and have the fucking worst preformance of all the manufacturs |
| 06:10.37 | MentalPower | I'm seriously considering buying a home server box |
| 06:10.44 | zenzio | are you sure you actually had SMART enabled in the BIOS? I can't seem to recall if the default is on or off |
| 06:10.51 | zenzio | know I've made such mistakes |
| 06:10.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah its on |
| 06:11.13 | Arrowmaster | although im not sure if it works with my raid controllers |
| 06:11.22 | Arrowmaster | which im not even using for a raid |
| 06:11.48 | Codayus | Tsk. |
| 06:12.16 | Arrowmaster | but ive still checked with the WD diag program every so often and its always said everything was fine |
| 06:13.59 | Arrowmaster | but the WD diag program is rather retarded too and claims all my drives are SATA when really only one right now is |
| 06:14.15 | Arrowmaster | out of 4 |
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| 06:19.36 | kd3 | bah, damn. they fixed my wallwalk spot. can't get on top of un'goro any more |
| 06:22.13 | Atriace | I'm having a curious issue. Given the following: |
| 06:22.20 | Atriace | foo{ ["frame"] = "funkyFrame" }; message(foo.frame); if _G[foo.frame]:IsVisible() then block end |
| 06:22.30 | Atriace | I can confirm the existence of a frame called funkyFrame. I can confirm that foo.frame is reading the correct string from the table using message. But when I do _G[foo.frame]:IsVisible(), I get the following error "attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)" |
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| 06:23.40 | Atriace | Help me. /bats sad puppy eyes/ |
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| 06:24.50 | cncfanatics | hello peeps |
| 06:25.11 | Atriace | hihi |
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| 06:28.59 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 06:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That's one way to call it good for the night - Wrath segfaulting on you |
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| 06:32.12 | |stefan|_ | what function/event is triggered when i press esc ingame ? |
| 06:32.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Check out Bindings.xml in the UI source |
| 06:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Should tell you |
| 06:33.06 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/Bindings.xml |
| 06:33.08 | Codex| | i have a laptop with a missing M key-- whats the best way to program control+N to be m? |
| 06:33.10 | Codex| | a macro? |
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| 06:33.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Codex|: uh, you assign whatever you want 'm' to be to be ctrl+N |
| 06:33.46 | Codex| | but where? |
| 06:33.49 | Atriace | Keyboard remapper |
| 06:33.50 | |stefan|_ | ScytheBlade1: thanks i'll check |
| 06:33.56 | Codex| | wheres that at atr? |
| 06:34.10 | Atriace | Download one. There are many available for download. |
| 06:34.14 | Codex| | oh thanks |
| 06:34.20 | Atriace | Depends on your system. |
| 06:37.13 | |stefan|_ | ToggleGameMenu() =) |
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| 06:38.42 | Arrowmaster | Codex|: theres a keyboard layout creator/editor on microsofts site |
| 06:39.06 | cncfanatics | anyone knows how the blizz raid pullout frames' healthbars are named ? |
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| 06:40.37 | Atriace | RaidInfoFrame? |
| 06:41.03 | Atriace | No... that doesn't seem right. |
| 06:41.24 | cncfanatics | RaidGroupButton1HealthBar it seems |
| 06:41.29 | cncfanatics | can someone /dump that and see if its correct ? |
| 06:41.43 | haste | can't you just use the WDN :P ? |
| 06:42.46 | cncfanatics | I am |
| 06:42.48 | cncfanatics | just wanne be sure |
| 06:42.54 | cncfanatics | I hate $parentHealthBar stuff |
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| 06:49.50 | |pez| | auugh, awake |
| 06:49.55 | |pez| | wanna go sleep |
| 06:49.59 | |pez| | should do housework |
| 06:50.02 | cncfanatics | its 9am :D |
| 06:50.12 | |pez| | I've been up all night! |
| 06:50.33 | zenzio | so go sleep o_O |
| 06:50.34 | |pez| | Mostly because it was way to late to go to bed when I realized it was 4.30am. :P |
| 06:50.51 | Cairenn | math.mod got changed to math.fmod, right? |
| 06:50.51 | Cairenn | will math.mod still work? |
| 06:51.03 | zenzio | |pez|: or go work on your project! |
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| 06:51.27 | |pez| | I usually use a fair amount of time to fall asleep... and therefore I'd probably not be able to fall asleep until like.. 5am, and then I'd have to get up again at 7 to drive that spoled boyfriend of mine to work. :P |
| 06:51.57 | |pez| | so I decided to just stay up, instead of going to sleep, and be all grumpy at 7am when he was going to wake me up. |
| 06:52.05 | zenzio | you're not supposed to use AM and PM when you're Norwegian |
| 06:52.09 | |pez| | zenzio: oh, I want to! |
| 06:52.30 | |pez| | zenzio: I use it when I write in English, got a problem with that? :P |
| 06:52.37 | zenzio | yes |
| 06:52.48 | Tekkub | AM/PM are for people that can't do nath |
| 06:52.51 | Tekkub | *maht |
| 06:52.54 | Tekkub | **Math |
| 06:53.11 | |pez| | I like am/pm |
| 06:53.14 | cncfanatics | hmmm, that implies all englishmen can't do maths |
| 06:53.15 | Atriace | well... at least you can math |
| 06:53.17 | cncfanatics | totaly agree Tekkub |
| 06:53.51 | |pez| | zenzio: I'd go work on my project, if there wasn't a ton of things I also should be doing. |
| 06:54.13 | |pez| | I should get some laundry done this weekend, since the landlord folks will be away from today until sunday. |
| 06:54.31 | zenzio | you don't want them to know you do laundry? |
| 06:54.50 | |pez| | we share the machine. :P |
| 06:54.57 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: didnt check ingame but using cogwheels lua.exe configured to match wow as closely as possible, math.mod() doesnt exist |
| 06:55.01 | |pez| | easier to catch up when the 4-man family aint at home. |
| 06:55.13 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: so im going to have to go with no |
| 06:55.16 | |pez| | well.. not man.. but.. human |
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| 06:56.00 | MentalPower | >math.mod |
| 06:56.04 | MentalPower | lua>math.mod |
| 06:56.05 | lua_bot | MentalPower: nil |
| 06:56.09 | MentalPower | lua>math.fmod |
| 06:56.10 | lua_bot | MentalPower: function: 0x62ef40 |
| 06:56.20 | MentalPower | hmm... you might be right |
| 06:56.28 | Atriace | Are you looking for % ? |
| 06:56.29 | MentalPower | I don't use cog's lua |
| 06:56.50 | MentalPower | I use luabinaries and there math.mod == math.fmod |
| 06:58.25 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 06:58.28 | Arrowmaster | so it does |
| 06:58.42 | Arrowmaster | 5.1.3 and it does |
| 06:58.51 | MentalPower | but since luabinaries still has some compat options enabled, I dunno |
| 06:58.55 | Xinhuan | i believe mod() exists in wow.exe though |
| 06:59.00 | Xinhuan | without the math. prefix |
| 06:59.15 | Guillotine | math.fmod == mod |
| 06:59.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think wow has all the compat options disabled |
| 06:59.21 | MentalPower | aye |
| 06:59.22 | Guillotine | but math.mod is gone |
| 06:59.23 | MentalPower | it does |
| 06:59.34 | Xinhuan | or just use the much faster % heh |
| 06:59.50 | Tekkub | yea why the func call? |
| 07:00.00 | Arrowmaster | i think Cairenn was trying to figure out if somebody was trying to scam a beta key |
| 07:00.05 | Cairenn | yup |
| 07:00.14 | Arrowmaster | aka uploading a really old mod that doesnt even work |
| 07:00.15 | Guillotine | how do you scam a beta key with that? o.O |
| 07:00.18 | Guillotine | ohhh |
| 07:00.23 | Xinhuan | how does math.mod help to scam a key? |
| 07:00.23 | Cairenn | *nod* precisely |
| 07:00.30 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt |
| 07:00.37 | Arrowmaster | it helps to figure out the person isnt a dev |
| 07:00.48 | Cairenn | from a PM I got on the site about a mod that was uploaded: |
| 07:00.50 | Cairenn | "Second, it didn't work as published. Any new mod may have bugs, but the problem was that it was using math.mod, which was changed to math.fmod when WoW upgraded from Lua 5.0 to 5.1. I suspect he had an old mod that's been kicking around, didn't write it, didn't test it, just uploaded for the beta key." |
| 07:01.10 | Xinhuan | heh, what mod is this? |
| 07:01.12 | Guillotine | probably correct |
| 07:01.43 | Arrowmaster | are you banning anybody that uploads a mod right now they didnt write or just the ones that signup for beta keys? |
| 07:02.12 | Cairenn | the thing he doesn't realize is that the category he uploaded it to, we are deciding on whether mods there count for a beta key on a case by case basis and that one wouldn't have gotten a key as it was |
| 07:02.20 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: right now we ban outright |
| 07:02.30 | Cairenn | normally we give them a one chance warning |
| 07:02.37 | Cairenn | but not right now |
| 07:02.42 | cncfanatics | hmmm, changing the env of a secure function will taint it won't it ? |
| 07:02.46 | Atriace | What's this I keep hearing about uploading for a beta key? |
| 07:02.48 | Cairenn | the "one chance warning" is in our rules |
| 07:02.53 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: i would think so |
| 07:02.58 | cncfanatics | god damn |
| 07:03.02 | |pez| | a beta key for WotLK would be awesome. Shame I'm not a dev. |
| 07:03.04 | cncfanatics | I need to duplicate the code then, anoying |
| 07:03.07 | Cairenn | Atriace: http://www.wowinterface.com/beta.php |
| 07:03.09 | Guillotine | you should force people to download a program in order to apply for the beta key. And then if they're trying to scam it, format C:\ on them |
| 07:03.14 | cncfanatics | or would tainting UnitFrameHealthBar_Update not be bad ? |
| 07:03.17 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: otherwise i can think of a lot of places i could exploit |
| 07:03.22 | Xinhuan | how do you decide if an addon is valid for beta key? |
| 07:03.23 | cncfanatics | yea, same Arrowmaster |
| 07:03.37 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: any addon is valid iirc |
| 07:03.46 | cncfanatics | as long as it was not stolen or copied ofc |
| 07:03.49 | Guillotine | Xinhuan: Has to be their work (e.g. not just a compilation) |
| 07:03.55 | Guillotine | and can't just be a 'hello world' type thing |
| 07:03.56 | Xinhuan | well an addon that just does Hello World isn't very valid |
| 07:03.58 | Guillotine | afaik |
| 07:04.06 | zenzio | Xinhuan: you forget that Cairenn has photographic addon memory, she remembers every addon uploaded since the site went live... she's just scanning for repeat uploads zomg |
| 07:04.15 | Xinhuan | hah |
| 07:04.23 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: how bad would tainting UnitFrameHealthBar_Update be you think ? |
| 07:04.25 | Guillotine | just read the info, its all there :P |
| 07:04.49 | Cairenn | I said ... "in that particular category" ... the mod in question in this particular case is in the ROFL category |
| 07:04.50 | |pez| | If I started on a mod now, it wouldn't be done until WotLK was here anyway! XD |
| 07:04.52 | Atriace | Wow... this is really interesting. Cairenn, is this a special deal you worked out with Blizzard? |
| 07:04.53 | Guillotine | cncfanatics: Shouldn't be too bad since taint usually doesn't propogate to the parent. Though you should secure hook if you can |
| 07:04.54 | Xinhuan | i dunno, i wouldn't count an author for a key if the addon code doesn't show that the author knows addon programming! ;p |
| 07:05.04 | cncfanatics | Guillotine: I need to change its environment |
| 07:05.09 | Cairenn | Atriace: we did it for last expansion as well |
| 07:05.10 | cncfanatics | so, can't rly do that with hooks |
| 07:05.15 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: i would have to look where its used |
| 07:05.18 | Atriace | Did not know that. |
| 07:05.38 | Cairenn | you guys need to learn - I take care of our community :) |
| 07:05.41 | Guillotine | cncfanatics: Just be careful you don't taint any variables that are used by PlayerFrame |
| 07:05.45 | Cairenn | got hotel rate deals for blizzcon too :p |
| 07:06.07 | Xinhuan | i have this really old mod that uses a huge 1400 line xml file, i'm considering uploading it, even though it uses like 850 globals ;p |
| 07:06.16 | cncfanatics | Guillotine: the func sets values on the PlayerFrame :s |
| 07:06.21 | cncfanatics | so, I fear it will |
| 07:06.22 | Guillotine | I thought you just did that so you knew where we all slept for those of us you wish to 'disappear' |
| 07:06.24 | cncfanatics | it actualy sets values on any unitframe |
| 07:06.26 | cncfanatics | bad bad bad |
| 07:06.43 | Xinhuan | hey i wrote this back when Ace2 just about didn't really exist yet ;p |
| 07:06.54 | |pez| | You go girl! ( Cairenn! ) |
| 07:06.58 | cncfanatics | anyone an idea ? :p |
| 07:07.01 | Guillotine | cncfanatics: secure hook. its a post hook |
| 07:07.06 | Guillotine | and just set the status bar value |
| 07:07.17 | cncfanatics | that won't do |
| 07:07.18 | Xinhuan | just change the texture directly in a hook? |
| 07:07.30 | Guillotine | what exactly do you want to change? |
| 07:07.36 | Guillotine | besides the value |
| 07:07.48 | cncfanatics | Guillotine: the current health value basicly |
| 07:07.55 | cncfanatics | UNIT_HEALTH fires every 0.3 sec |
| 07:08.00 | cncfanatics | i want to update the healthbar more often from combatlog |
| 07:08.06 | Xinhuan | you haven't explained why a normal hook doesn't work |
| 07:08.07 | Guillotine | then why won't my way work? |
| 07:08.13 | Guillotine | oh |
| 07:08.18 | cncfanatics | because that'll only trigger when UNIT_HEALTH triggers, as I jsut said |
| 07:08.21 | Guillotine | well, you can change the status bar value more often than on hook |
| 07:08.23 | cncfanatics | I want to update it more often then that |
| 07:08.31 | cncfanatics | well, it'll taint stuff |
| 07:08.32 | Xinhuan | so why can't you modify the value directly? |
| 07:08.39 | Guillotine | changing the status bar value shouldn't taint anything |
| 07:09.01 | Xinhuan | as long as blizz code doesn't read the value back in in its code, changing it should be ok |
| 07:09.08 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 07:09.12 | Guillotine | right |
| 07:09.32 | cncfanatics | gonna check where UnitFrameHealthBar_Update gets called |
| 07:09.43 | cncfanatics | and see if tainting it is bad |
| 07:10.03 | Xinhuan | it doesn't get tainted as long as the function doesn't ever *read* a tainted variable |
| 07:10.19 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: if I change its environment, it'll get tainted |
| 07:10.20 | Xinhuan | blizzard code writing to a tainted variable is fine, in fact that untaints it |
| 07:10.40 | cncfanatics | setfenv(UnitFrameHealthBar_Update, env); taints it for sure :) |
| 07:10.41 | Xuerian | The Holy Touch |
| 07:10.42 | Guillotine | cncfanatics: yes, you will taint that part, but afaik, that part doesn't matter if its tainted |
| 07:11.18 | Guillotine | because nothing in UnitFrameHealthBar_Update propagates to a secure frame |
| 07:11.27 | cncfanatics | Guillotine: it'll prevent focusframe & targetframe to show in combat |
| 07:11.30 | cncfanatics | if they get hidden |
| 07:11.34 | cncfanatics | same for targettarget, focustarget, etc |
| 07:11.37 | Guillotine | no it won't |
| 07:11.45 | cncfanatics | it does for instanthealth |
| 07:12.02 | cncfanatics | well, just targettarget & focustarget actualy |
| 07:12.07 | cncfanatics | my bad, the two others won't |
| 07:12.09 | Guillotine | err, and why are you setting the environment? Just ste the value |
| 07:12.19 | Guillotine | set* |
| 07:12.32 | cncfanatics | means copying code :( but I guess i got no choice here |
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| 07:34.29 | Guillotine | Nobody still has my Automootic addon, do they? It seems to have disappeared from both Curse and WoWI :( I guess it just got too old |
| 07:34.52 | Atriace | What did it do? |
| 07:35.43 | zenzio | /moo'ed at tauren IIRC |
| 07:35.47 | Guillotine | automatically /mood at tauren on mouseover |
| 07:35.54 | Guillotine | with checks to make sure it didn't do it too much |
| 07:35.55 | cncfanatics | rofl |
| 07:36.09 | Atriace | how novel |
| 07:36.16 | cncfanatics | anybody feels like testing a quickhealth module for the blizz unitframes ? |
| 07:36.19 | Guillotine | hahaha, got to it |
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| 08:28.10 | Sargeras | hallo poppet |
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| 08:28.18 | Cairenn | hi ;) |
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| 08:36.39 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
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| 09:26.07 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: need new ChatTrottleLib for WotLK, ChatThrottleLib:SendChatMessage() uses the global 'this' |
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| 10:20.48 | cladhaire | Arrowmaster: *gasp* |
| 10:20.57 | cladhaire | of all the people I'd never expect to use this |
| 10:20.58 | cladhaire | Mikk |
| 10:21.53 | Arrowmaster | prefix = prefix or tostring(this)-- each frame gets its own queue if prefix is not given |
| 10:23.03 | Arrowmaster | well i guess it could just be changed to make prefix required |
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| 10:37.35 | |stefan|_ | if i have a list of windows etc that i'm parsing. how do i know what frames have what functions ? |
| 10:37.54 | |stefan|_ | f.ex some frames doesn't have the getscript function and i'm using that to check eventparsers. |
| 10:39.22 | Nargiddley | every frame should have GetScript, do you have things like textures in there as well ? |
| 10:39.28 | cladhaire | all _frame_ has a GetScript() |
| 10:39.40 | cladhaire | this may help |
| 10:39.40 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 10:39.56 | cladhaire | clicking on any widget type will bring you to a listing of what methods are available for that type |
| 10:40.02 | cladhaire | it obviously shows the inheritance hierarchy as well |
| 10:40.18 | |stefan|_ | thanks i'll check it. |
| 10:43.22 | |stefan|_ | seems QuestLogFrame doesn't have GetScript. |
| 10:43.40 | cladhaire | yes it does |
| 10:43.43 | cladhaire | i can guarantee that |
| 10:43.54 | cladhaire | what are you trying to do, let's start there :P |
| 10:44.37 | |stefan|_ | hehe i'm parsing a list of frames where i want to check "isvisible" so then i do getscript on each object |
| 10:45.02 | cladhaire | well QuestLogFrame absolutely and 100% has GetScript |
| 10:45.02 | |stefan|_ | and it's telling me getscript is a nil value when i try to load the function |
| 10:45.10 | cladhaire | well you're doing something wrong, I assure you |
| 10:45.12 | |stefan|_ | hmm. wonder what's wrong then. |
| 10:45.14 | cladhaire | perhaps if you could show us |
| 10:45.17 | |stefan|_ | yea apparently =) |
| 10:45.24 | |stefan|_ | hang on |
| 10:45.25 | Nargiddley | you're trying GetScript not getscript right ? |
| 10:45.32 | Nargiddley | case matters |
| 10:45.32 | |stefan|_ | ofc |
| 10:47.22 | |stefan|_ | i might be calling it too early. i'll check. |
| 10:47.34 | cladhaire | too early? |
| 10:47.36 | cladhaire | what does that mean |
| 10:47.50 | |stefan|_ | because the exact same thing works later on in the script. |
| 10:48.44 | cncfanatics | that doesn't make sense |
| 10:48.51 | |stefan|_ | hehe ok |
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| 10:49.11 | cladhaire | there is a bug in your code.. if you pastey it we may be able to help |
| 10:49.12 | wereHamster | show us the code, put it to pastey.com |
| 10:50.24 | |stefan|_ | hang on. phone =) i'm at work. |
| 10:50.33 | Arrowmaster | pastey.net |
| 10:50.41 | wereHamster | ~pastey |
| 10:50.41 | purl | pastey is probably the place we like to have errors, diffs, and any large chunks of text sent. Look at the topic of the channel you're in to see if they have a specific pastey.net they like to use, otherwise, you can use whatever you want -- yournick.pastey.net, flood.pastey.net, or just pastey.net. Go to one of these URLs, insert the text, press the 'Paste' button, and copy & paste the resulting URL in the channel you were about |
| 10:51.50 | Fisker- | slavery and death |
| 10:52.44 | wereHamster | to whom? |
| 10:54.23 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: we found a stupid identifer and are trying to gather enough quotes of you to make you fail it |
| 10:55.17 | |stefan|_ | there we go. i worked it out =) |
| 10:55.31 | |stefan|_ | i was trying to run the script on a textstring not an object |
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| 11:02.31 | zenzio | "* Smelt Elementium must be relearned by players who still wish to know the spell by visiting a trainer in Blackwing Lair" >:( |
| 11:03.33 | cncfanatics | zenzio: why ? :o |
| 11:03.51 | zenzio | no idea, it's on WorldOfRaids' patch list |
| 11:03.54 | zenzio | for WotLK |
| 11:03.59 | cncfanatics | funny :p |
| 11:04.09 | Arrowmaster | probably a bug |
| 11:04.59 | Arrowmaster | or did every miner forgot it? |
| 11:05.22 | Arrowmaster | and its not talking about how you can drop mining and pick it back up and still have smelt elementium on live |
| 11:05.23 | zenzio | no idea, I just read it on their regular patch note summary on the main page |
| 11:06.13 | |stefan|_ | btw. thanks for the help =) |
| 11:06.24 | cladhaire | np |
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| 11:16.28 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: i got an email about a favorite being updated from a weird address (no-reply-@web02.zam.com) |
| 11:16.56 | JoshBorke | i blame clad |
| 11:17.00 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: forward it to me, please? cairenn@wowinterface.com |
| 11:17.27 | JoshBorke | it appears to be legit, just didn't get all the correct headers |
| 11:17.33 | Cairenn | forward |
| 11:17.36 | Cairenn | let me see it |
| 11:18.10 | Cairenn | please :) |
| 11:18.18 | JoshBorke | sent |
| 11:18.19 | cncfanatics | wowinterface is part of the zam network |
| 11:18.31 | Cairenn | that doesn't mean the email is legit |
| 11:18.37 | cncfanatics | true |
| 11:18.41 | cncfanatics | just makes it more likely to be :p |
| 11:18.43 | Cairenn | it's easy to spoof email addies |
| 11:18.53 | JoshBorke | it links back to wowi :-) |
| 11:19.51 | Arrowmaster | by easy you mean built into the protocal right? |
| 11:19.55 | Cairenn | bleh, the headers didn't get sent |
| 11:20.16 | JoshBorke | i'll just pastey the email |
| 11:20.23 | cncfanatics | JoshBorke: paste the headers |
| 11:20.24 | Cairenn | thanks JoshBorke |
| 11:20.25 | cncfanatics | don't need moer rly |
| 11:20.49 | JoshBorke | thunderbird is so terrible |
| 11:21.33 | Cairenn | it's correct in that perfectraid has been updated, and the links aren't spoofs |
| 11:21.47 | Cairenn | but where it "came from" is just flat out weird |
| 11:21.55 | JoshBorke | http://wowi.pastey.net/92822 |
| 11:22.17 | cncfanatics | Received: from web02.zam.com ([75.126.130.190])Â :o |
| 11:22.23 | cncfanatics | since when does zam send the wowi mails ? :p |
| 11:22.26 | Cairenn | yeah, that's very odd |
| 11:22.31 | Cairenn | that's the point cncfanatics :) |
| 11:22.42 | Cairenn | trying to figure out why it's showing up like that |
| 11:23.06 | cncfanatics | just blame clad |
| 11:23.22 | Arrowmaster | looking at those headers something is broken |
| 11:23.30 | JoshBorke | ~reward Arrowmaster |
| 11:23.31 | purl | ACTION gives Arrowmaster a brownie point. And a *kick* in the pants! |
| 11:23.46 | Arrowmaster | double headers of a few things |
| 11:24.00 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: X-Mailer: vBulletin Mail via PHP |
| 11:24.06 | Arrowmaster | to answer your question of where it came from |
| 11:25.12 | Cairenn | thanks JoshBorke, forwarding all of this to those that need to figure out what the problem is and get it fixed |
| 11:25.19 | cncfanatics | lol, do most people not even know that wowi & curse give out keys ? :o |
| 11:25.24 | cncfanatics | reading wow forums atm |
| 11:25.28 | Cairenn | cncfanatics: link? |
| 11:26.49 | cncfanatics | quoting: This comes back to my original point. Rather than making this into a Lottery System, award Beta invites to people who actually are known to contribute for the purpose of enhancing the playability of WoW and the general knowledge base of the game. Stickies and max post threads are a great place to start. I'm sure these kind of people are more willing to spend time providing actual feedback to not only you guys, but members of their com |
| 11:27.05 | cncfanatics | blizz already does that :p |
| 11:27.18 | Cairenn | "feedback to not only you guys, but members of their com" |
| 11:27.21 | Cairenn | you cut off there |
| 11:27.41 | JoshBorke | isn't corn like folk? |
| 11:27.47 | cncfanatics | hmmm, I did paste the whole thing |
| 11:27.48 | cncfanatics | freenode cuts ? |
| 11:27.52 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 11:28.10 | cncfanatics | http://wowi.pastey.net/92824 |
| 11:28.31 | cncfanatics | just pointing out that most people don't seem to know that blizz does select people and it ain't totaly random |
| 11:28.38 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 11:29.00 | Cairenn | but over all we are a small percentage of the overall blizz community |
| 11:29.13 | Cairenn | errr, I should stop trying to type when I need sleep |
| 11:29.27 | JoshBorke | ~comfort Cairenn |
| 11:29.28 | purl | There, there, Cairenn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:30.03 | cncfanatics | so funny |
| 11:30.10 | cncfanatics | people always say they're tired at 1:30pm my time :( |
| 11:30.21 | tlund | [13:27] #WoWUIDev <cncfanatics> freenode cuts ? |
| 11:30.24 | Cairenn | heh, it's 7:30am here |
| 11:30.32 | tlund | cncfanatics: the IRC RFC limits the ammount of characters :) |
| 11:31.08 | cncfanatics | Cairenn: and you didn't sleep yet ? :o |
| 11:31.12 | cncfanatics | its time to wake up, not go to bed -.- |
| 11:31.13 | Cairenn | not yet |
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| 11:44.03 | Arrowmaster | yeah 7:40am and im about to goto bed |
| 12:01.00 | JoshBorke | ooo, in game calendar |
| 12:01.25 | Cairenn | yup yup |
| 12:01.28 | cncfanatics | JoshBorke: slowpoke :p |
| 12:01.32 | JoshBorke | gief code |
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| 12:09.15 | Pneumatus | people 'wow'ing at you for being level 77 is lulzy |
| 12:09.45 | selckin | you have no life 11111elven |
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| 12:09.56 | Pneumatus | 9 level 77s online at the moment :) |
| 12:10.04 | Pneumatus | and one of them is a deathknight! |
| 12:10.18 | cncfanatics | ~care |
| 12:10.35 | cncfanatics | I'm not even gonna reach any level above 70 in beta :p |
| 12:10.37 | cncfanatics | giev coding |
| 12:12.28 | Atriace | sooo... Arrowmaster... |
| 12:12.41 | Atriace | you don't like 'this'? |
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| 12:27.39 | cladhaire | Atriace: first, this is deprecated and is completely removed in 3.X, so anything using it will break, and second it's been deprecated since 2.0 and shouldn't be in use anymore. |
| 12:29.24 | Atriace | cladhaire: just teasing. I had a kick reading the commits this morning. |
| 12:29.30 | cladhaire | ah okay |
| 12:29.44 | cladhaire | well ckknight commited a wotlk "fix" that used argX, etc. |
| 12:29.48 | cladhaire | so i understand his frustration :P |
| 12:30.12 | ckknight | cladhaire: actually Arrowmaster was the one who committed the fix |
| 12:30.26 | cladhaire | oh, he said it was you, and fisheye was too slow for me to find it |
| 12:30.28 | cladhaire | ~lart Arrowmaster |
| 12:30.28 | purl | squishes Arrowmaster like a bug |
| 12:30.35 | ckknight | the reason that the globals were used previously is that the local arg1 -> arg9 wasn't passed in |
| 12:30.44 | cladhaire | that makes me feel a lot better, you had me concerned |
| 12:31.04 | ckknight | cladhaire, now that you're here |
| 12:31.17 | ckknight | how do you document your APIs? |
| 12:31.40 | ckknight | I'm trying to come up with a good solution for me, but both Autodoc and luadoc have their issues |
| 12:32.22 | cladhaire | I actually don't for most things or I document right in the file |
| 12:32.35 | cladhaire | I don't produce any HTML documentation or anything for my stuff in Lua |
| 12:32.40 | ckknight | hrm |
| 12:32.41 | ckknight | okay |
| 12:32.43 | cladhaire | at best I'd include a readme file or notification |
| 12:33.06 | cladhaire | I never liked autodoc and luadoc is just javadoc for lua, which has its own set of issues |
| 12:33.09 | ckknight | I like html documentation, that way people don't need to fish around in the code to see how things work |
| 12:33.22 | cladhaire | aye, i agree that it makes sense |
| 12:33.28 | cladhaire | but i dont write libraries :P |
| 12:33.28 | ckknight | part of me wonders if I should come up with my own solution |
| 12:33.36 | ckknight | yea, I do :-P |
| 12:33.50 | cladhaire | it'd be easy to do with LPEG |
| 12:33.51 | cladhaire | honestly |
| 12:33.57 | cladhaire | coming up with your own solution that is |
| 12:33.57 | cncfanatics | LPEG ? |
| 12:34.03 | cladhaire | ~lpeg |
| 12:34.24 | cladhaire | purl, lpeg is Parsing Expression Grammars (PEGs) for Lua (http://www.inf.puc-rio.br/~roberto/lpeg.html) |
| 12:34.25 | purl | cladhaire: okay |
| 12:34.47 | cladhaire | anyone have any idea what the frame = GetClickFrame("name") function does? |
| 12:36.42 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: never even heard of that func :o |
| 12:36.44 | cncfanatics | where did you find it ? |
| 12:36.49 | cladhaire | api scans |
| 12:36.52 | cladhaire | i'm documenting it |
| 12:37.03 | cladhaire | but, assert(PlayerFrame == GetClickFrame("PlayerFrame")) |
| 12:37.10 | cladhaire | so i'm not sure what the purpose is :P |
| 12:37.41 | cncfanatics | thats, weird |
| 12:38.09 | Atriace | Some sort of an enumerateFrames function maybe? |
| 12:38.26 | cladhaire | didn't seem that way |
| 12:38.34 | cladhaire | since it requires a string |
| 12:38.43 | cncfanatics | hmmm, no error message in the assert either ? |
| 12:38.44 | cladhaire | i was thinking it handles the frame that's responsible for handling clicks for... something |
| 12:38.47 | ckknight | cladhaire: maybe it returns more than one value? |
| 12:38.52 | cladhaire | no the assert passes |
| 12:38.56 | cladhaire | ckknight: not in any case I've found |
| 12:42.04 | cladhaire | only one return value for everything in _G |
| 12:42.37 | cladhaire | and for every case in _G where it returns a non-nil value, that value equals the frame |
| 12:42.52 | JoshBorke | odd |
| 12:43.05 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: in what conditions does that frame not equal the passed frame ? |
| 12:43.11 | cladhaire | never |
| 12:43.17 | cladhaire | you don't pass a frame, first you pass a string |
| 12:43.17 | Mery | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92826 |
| 12:43.39 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 12:43.49 | cladhaire | for k,v in pairs(_G) do local a = GetClickFrame(k); if a then assert(a == v) end end |
| 12:43.51 | cladhaire | that never fails |
| 12:43.58 | cncfanatics | why the fuck is that in then ? |
| 12:44.01 | cncfanatics | it has to fail sometimes |
| 12:44.01 | cladhaire | Mery: thanks |
| 12:44.16 | cncfanatics | seems like the same as :GetName(); atm |
| 12:44.34 | cladhaire | it looks like its a way to ensure that the /click slash command only ever tries to work on an actual button |
| 12:44.44 | cladhaire | Mery: apparently I have an old frameXMl unpacked :P |
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| 12:44.55 | Mery | i just googled it :P |
| 12:45.05 | cladhaire | so did i imo, i must have failed. |
| 12:45.31 | JoshBorke | ~fail cladhaire |
| 12:45.32 | purl | cladhaire: FAIL! |
| 12:46.15 | JoshBorke | huh, it was the only result for me... |
| 12:46.17 | cladhaire | hrm i wonder. |
| 12:47.12 | cladhaire | ah0ha |
| 12:47.19 | cladhaire | it can return the button even if the global name isn't set |
| 12:47.47 | cladhaire | i.e. local f = CreateFrame("Frame", "FOO"); _G.FOO = nil; assert(f == GetClickFrame("FOO")) works |
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| 12:49.52 | cncfanatics | : |
| 12:49.52 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 12:49.53 | cncfanatics | magic |
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| 13:17.02 | wereHamster | cladhaire: what about unnamed frames? eg _G.FOO = CreateFrame("Frame"); GetClickFrame("FOO") ? |
| 13:17.48 | cladhaire | uhh |
| 13:17.49 | cladhaire | lol |
| 13:17.55 | cladhaire | i crash wow |
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| 13:18.03 | ckknight | ooh, what fun |
| 13:18.07 | Lopeppeppy | cladhaire, you're awesome. |
| 13:18.10 | cladhaire | how in the eff does my druid not have the flight path to EP |
| 13:19.14 | cladhaire | lol /run foo = CreateFrame("Frame"); GetClickFrame("foo") |
| 13:19.16 | cladhaire | that crashes wow. |
| 13:19.16 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: you just win the universe |
| 13:19.21 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: cool |
| 13:20.22 | cladhaire | wereHamster did it :P |
| 13:21.14 | wereHamster | so GetClickFrame() on a frame that doesn't have a name crashes wow. Interesting |
| 13:23.26 | wereHamster | maybe blizz will stop creating global variables for named frames and you'll have to use GetClickFrame() to retrieve a reference to it |
| 13:24.02 | batrick | !lua points(1702, 2) |
| 13:24.03 | batbot | batrick: > 463, 2 |
| 13:25.17 | cncfanatics | wereHamster: I doubt it |
| 13:25.27 | cncfanatics | wereHamster: the name GetClicKFrame() doesnt make sense for that |
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| 13:31.41 | cladhaire | GetClickFrame is just used for the slash command handler |
| 13:31.50 | cladhaire | so you can't change the global name of a frame and have it be a smart macro |
| 13:31.57 | cladhaire | since the button can be another macro |
| 13:32.06 | cladhaire | this just bypasses that issue. |
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| 13:39.18 | cncfanatics | ah, I see |
| 13:39.27 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: shld still fix the crash issue though |
| 13:39.34 | cladhaire | yes, I've already reported it. |
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| 13:41.56 | cncfanatics | hmm, does anyone know if there is a decent guild position lib already ? |
| 13:46.13 | ckknight | yea, I did it, cncfanatics |
| 13:46.35 | ckknight | the name is easy to throw you off, though, probably why you didn't realize |
| 13:46.37 | ckknight | LibGuildPositions-1.0 |
| 13:47.05 | cncfanatics | ckknight: what addons use it atm ? |
| 13:47.18 | cncfanatics | I can't seem to get guild positioning for any guildies except the ones that use carto |
| 13:47.21 | ckknight | cncfanatics: Cart2 and 3, maybe others, frankly, I don't know outside of that |
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| 13:56.09 | Nom- | got two projects in Java going simultanously now... one for WoW and one for work |
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| 14:46.49 | Kaso | http://ft.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/d6/d67d7f1aeb5b0f0f0974a9636b964b1738ea1974.jpg |
| 14:54.08 | Gnarfoz | gahh why does wotlk install destroy itself all the time |
| 14:54.11 | wereHamster | I wish TF2 would run under wine :( |
| 14:54.25 | Lopeppeppy | Hate, hate, hate. Spread some sunshine! |
| 14:57.40 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, see? |
| 14:57.52 | Lopeppeppy | Goodness, sunshine and butterflies, that's what it's about. |
| 14:58.34 | Kaso | Bring Me Sunshine, in your smile. Bring laughter, all the while |
| 14:58.46 | Kaso | In this world where we live, there should be more happiness |
| 14:59.30 | Lopeppeppy | Hells yeah. |
| 15:01.46 | Kaso | You are my sunshine, my only sunshine. You make happy skys are grey, you'll never know dear, how much i love you. |
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| 15:04.56 | Xuerian | Kaso: rofl at the pic |
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| 15:10.01 | Hjalte | cladhaire: When trying to change my out of combat clique assignments, Clique bugs and also gives me the following error: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92833 |
| 15:11.24 | cladhaire | can you pastey the SV for that char? |
| 15:12.11 | cladhaire | your version is old |
| 15:12.13 | cladhaire | that's been fixed. |
| 15:14.07 | Hjalte | Hmm, isn't v96 the newest? |
| 15:14.54 | Hjalte | I'm guessing it could be because of my SV being fairly old? |
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| 15:17.12 | cladhaire | well |
| 15:17.16 | cladhaire | you posted an error from v91 |
| 15:17.29 | cladhaire | or i'm on crack |
| 15:17.32 | cladhaire | yes it might be that |
| 15:17.37 | cladhaire | hold on one more second |
| 15:18.09 | Hjalte | cladhaire: Here's my SV: www.hjalte.com/Clique.lua |
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| 15:19.09 | cladhaire | can you tell me which case 1011 in CliqueOptions.lua is? |
| 15:19.22 | cladhaire | i can just download 96 |
| 15:20.25 | cladhaire | you have an action bar binding that doesn't have a page number, according to the error. |
| 15:20.49 | cladhaire | out of combat, button 4 |
| 15:20.58 | cladhaire | you should remove that binding, and i'll try to figure out why it let you do that. |
| 15:22.17 | Hjalte | I'll remove it for now, just found it in the SV. It doesn't let me remove it ingame. |
| 15:23.15 | malreth | http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/07/31/new-garfield-book-without-garfield-announced/ |
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| 15:33.42 | laeg | has anybody seen the tubular borders on chinchilla? |
| 15:35.41 | laeg | they're sweet |
| 15:35.49 | laeg | i'm going to try use them on pitbull and fubar |
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| 15:42.28 | Seerah | laeg: it's not a real border file. If you want to use them with PitBull or FuBar (which doesn't have a border option, so you'd need eePanels or kgPanels) then you'll need to convert it to a border texture yourself. |
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| 15:56.40 | laeg | seerah: ty |
| 15:57.11 | laeg | i'll work on it after the macro thing |
| 15:57.49 | |stefan| | when executing securecall("CloseAllWindows"); . does this trigger any event ? |
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| 15:59.12 | malreth | it'll probably trigger an error |
| 15:59.15 | malreth | :) |
| 15:59.27 | |stefan| | huh ? =) |
| 15:59.33 | ckknight | |stefan|: no event is fired |
| 15:59.39 | ckknight | but you can hook CloseAllWindows without issue |
| 16:00.31 | |stefan| | ah that might work then |
| 16:01.40 | malreth | |stefan|: yeah.... sorry 'bout that. I'm pretty sure you weren't trying to execute securecall() yourself |
| 16:02.02 | |stefan| | malreth ;) |
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| 16:02.25 | |stefan| | what's that page where i can download the framexml source ? |
| 16:02.29 | |stefan| | i keep forgetting. |
| 16:02.34 | malreth | ~wowcompares |
| 16:02.35 | purl | [wowcompares] http://wowcompares.com |
| 16:02.41 | |stefan| | thanks =) |
| 16:04.08 | malreth | i'd do anything to help someone! |
| 16:04.28 | Thunder_Child | hahahahaha |
| 16:04.40 | Thunder_Child | ~fail malreth |
| 16:04.41 | purl | malreth: FAIL! |
| 16:05.15 | cbreak | you should have the sources in your wow installation. |
| 16:05.48 | malreth | only if you install the blizzard UI interface kit |
| 16:06.10 | cbreak | the interface kit only extracts the sources from the mpq files I thought |
| 16:06.22 | malreth | correct |
| 16:06.38 | malreth | otherwise, they're still packed into the MPQ |
| 16:07.13 | |stefan| | easier to download than to extract =) |
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| 16:08.15 | cbreak | if you don't download them one by one you will have to extract the archive also :D |
| 16:09.02 | malreth | yeah, but chances are he has a unzip utility built in to his OS. |
| 16:09.53 | laeg | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21466#top |
| 16:09.57 | laeg | wc |
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| 16:45.23 | Atriace | When you want to replace a file in SVN, do you delete the old and add the new, or is there some specific operation that's not called "replace file" that I should be using? |
| 16:48.08 | ckknight | just replace the contents? |
| 16:48.20 | Atriace | Yeah |
| 16:48.31 | Atriace | X file replaced with Y file of the same name |
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| 16:51.18 | TecnoBrat | Just replace it :) SVN will notice the changes and allow you to commit the new file over the old one |
| 16:51.48 | Atriace | Then perhaps this is a limitation of Eclipse. It won't let me import the new file over the old. |
| 16:52.43 | Atriace | "Import operation failed. svn: File already exists:" |
| 16:53.12 | Josh_Borke | bust out the command line! |
| 16:53.26 | zenzelezz | can't you just copy+paste the content inside the file? |
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| 16:56.45 | Atriace | wait a second... I need to checkout the file before I can replace it? |
| 16:59.53 | Josh_Borke | Atriace: yes, you have to work in a working copy of the repo |
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| 17:01.13 | Kraps | cats lose prowl in wotlk? |
| 17:03.07 | Kirov | meh, only nelfs used it anyways, while they were stealthed. |
| 17:03.33 | Lukian | Kraps, no |
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| 17:04.08 | Kraps | should i start a dwarf hunter? |
| 17:04.11 | Kraps | nelfs annoy me |
| 17:04.25 | zenzelezz | orc |
| 17:04.46 | Lukian | Kraps, not really, guns are crap |
| 17:04.53 | Lukian | anti-poison racial is nice though |
| 17:05.34 | Kraps | why are guns crappier then bows? |
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| 17:06.30 | Lukian | do you see a gun on the badge vendor? |
| 17:06.44 | Lukian | were their guns in the first two arena seasons? |
| 17:06.46 | Lukian | enough said :/ |
| 17:07.48 | Kraps | well, my main is a warrior, so i wouldn't worry about that for a loooooooong time |
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| 17:13.24 | zenzelezz | let's see... Vashj's bow, Archimonde's bow, Illidan's bow, Kil'jaeden's bow, Zul'jin's bow... can't recall many guns |
| 17:17.11 | Kraps | i'll just get someone to port my hunter and druid to sw |
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| 17:19.20 | Kraps | people really hate arena |
| 17:19.39 | Lukian | zenzelezz, S3, Don Santos', Wolfslayer, Tuskbreaker |
| 17:20.24 | zenzelezz | Lukian: thought it was apparent I was talking about raid drops =) |
| 17:20.40 | zenzelezz | never understood why the end bosses loved bows so much |
| 17:20.44 | Lukian | the last 3 are 'raids' :D |
| 17:21.00 | zenzelezz | I thought Don Santos was world drop? |
| 17:21.08 | Lukian | oops last two >< |
| 17:21.08 | Lukian | hehe |
| 17:23.29 | Shirik | so any pros of ssh: What exactly does ctrl+s do? |
| 17:23.33 | Shirik | It seems to freeze my terminal |
| 17:23.52 | Shirik | which is really annoying because I hit ctrl+s instead of ctrl+d rather often |
| 17:25.06 | zenzelezz | http://marc.info/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=114737440305516&w=2 |
| 17:25.41 | Shirik | interesting |
| 17:25.42 | zenzelezz | http://www.wolerized.com/blog/remi-woler/unlocking-your-ssh-session-after-pressing-ctrl-s ? |
| 17:25.57 | Josh_Borke | ctrl+q! |
| 17:26.04 | Shirik | I didn't expect flow control to have any impact :P |
| 17:26.10 | zenzelezz | you realize there's a ton of info on this on Google again Shirik? |
| 17:26.14 | zenzelezz | you should learn to use it |
| 17:26.16 | Shirik | I don't use google |
| 17:26.32 | zenzelezz | let me guess, MSN Live Search? |
| 17:26.37 | Shirik | nah |
| 17:26.39 | Shirik | I use IRC search |
| 17:26.42 | Shirik | works better usually |
| 17:26.50 | Duman | Shirik discovers flow control! |
| 17:26.55 | zenzelezz | except everyone realizes how noob you are then Shirik |
| 17:26.55 | Duman | ;) |
| 17:27.03 | Shirik | psh, I don't use linux |
| 17:27.06 | Josh_Borke | zenzelezz: isn't that why there is: |
| 17:27.08 | Josh_Borke | ~failrik |
| 17:27.13 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 17:27.13 | Shirik | I use vista |
| 17:27.13 | zenzelezz | Josh_Borke: good point |
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| 17:36.03 | Industrial | ~seen wobin |
| 17:36.23 | purl | wobin is currently on #gnu-kbsd, last said: '...station?'. |
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| 17:39.22 | Lunessa | station! |
| 17:39.33 | Industrial | 19:36 Industrial >> ~seen wobin |
| 17:39.33 | Industrial | 19:36 purl_ >> wobin is currently on #gnu-kbsd, last said: '...station?'. |
| 17:39.33 | Industrial | 19:39 ::: Lunessa [n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa] has joined #wowuidev |
| 17:39.34 | Industrial | 19:39 Lunessa >> station! |
| 17:39.36 | Industrial | Lunessa: ^ |
| 17:39.39 | Industrial | :-D |
| 17:39.40 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 17:40.02 | Lunessa | Haha - thought is a virus. |
| 17:40.21 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Lunessa |
| 17:40.21 | purl | plops Lunessa into a giant vat of herring |
| 17:40.29 | Industrial | ew |
| 17:40.50 | Lunessa | I hate fish like Indiana Jones hates snakes. |
| 17:41.07 | Industrial | was about to do that |
| 17:41.08 | Industrial | :p |
| 17:41.24 | Thunder_Child | ~fish Lunessa |
| 17:41.27 | purl | ACTION slaps Lunessa around with a large trout |
| 17:41.32 | Thunder_Child | oh....fail |
| 17:41.45 | Lunessa | ~epic fail Thunder_Child |
| 17:41.46 | purl | Thunder_Child, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Thunder_Child, you are that epic failure. |
| 17:41.54 | Thunder_Child | :( |
| 17:42.52 | Lunessa | It's ok, I have [FAIL] written in purple on my white board, it's right above my head as you walk into my office. |
| 17:43.50 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, libraryofaddons, addonguide, addongrail, addonniscient |
| 17:43.58 | Thunder_Child | just some thoughts |
| 17:44.09 | Industrial | -_^ |
| 17:44.13 | Lunessa | You don't like "The AddOn Almanac"? |
| 17:44.51 | Thunder_Child | i dont dislike it, i was just thinking of options |
| 17:44.56 | Thunder_Child | something easy to remeber |
| 17:45.05 | Thunder_Child | theaddonalmanac isnt |
| 17:45.25 | Thunder_Child | remember, lowest common demominator, should be easy to remember and spell |
| 17:46.08 | Thunder_Child | unlike some of mine >< |
| 17:47.26 | Thunder_Child | i was thinking addon101 but that seems more like a place to learn to make them |
| 17:50.04 | Thunder_Child | "The addon repository of knowledge" is a bad site name, but might make a good site phrase |
| 17:50.16 | Josh_Borke | taa |
| 17:50.51 | Lunessa | taa.com - short url would be short. |
| 17:51.16 | Industrial | wowaddons.com, go! |
| 17:51.16 | Thunder_Child | and all 3 and 4 letter url's have been taken from what i have hears |
| 17:51.20 | Lunessa | And the header graphic could be a gnome engineer on the left, and a goblin engineer on the right. |
| 17:51.20 | Industrial | wonder howmuch it will cost |
| 17:51.32 | Thunder_Child | heard* |
| 17:51.45 | Josh_Borke | you guys are funny, talking about the look and feel |
| 17:51.48 | Josh_Borke | which is the easy part :-P |
| 17:52.10 | Thunder_Child | Josh_Borke, has to start somewhere |
| 17:52.55 | Josh_Borke | indeed |
| 17:53.18 | Atriace | wow... I think I finally found my dream SVN client: http://versionsapp.com/ |
| 17:53.21 | Lunessa | taa is taken. |
| 17:53.33 | foxlit | addoncraft.com |
| 17:53.34 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, "10:51.20 Thunder_Child: and all 3 and 4 letter url's have been taken from what i have hears" |
| 17:53.57 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, it's more info than creation |
| 17:54.05 | Lunessa | dah, ja, si, etc. But I checked anyway |
| 17:54.14 | Lopeppeppy | yoyo |
| 17:54.22 | foxlit | TC: I haven't looked at the start of this conversation. What was it you wanted? |
| 17:54.23 | Lopeppeppy | oiuoiu |
| 17:54.30 | Lopeppeppy | oiujadah |
| 17:54.40 | Lopeppeppy | wee-ya-da! |
| 17:54.51 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: oui. but I'm not doing accented characters. :P |
| 17:55.13 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, the conversation started yesterday so i doubt you want to look for it :P we are thinking of a site name for a addon info site, not downloads |
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| 17:55.42 | Lunessa | foxlit - Just screen shots and ease of use ratings. |
| 17:55.51 | Lunessa | and lots of links and editorial commentary |
| 17:57.15 | Esamynn | huzzah, for OP Droods: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/#1420 |
| 17:57.39 | Kirov | heh |
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| 17:58.06 | Thunder_Child | thats ok, it's Beladona's fault anyway |
| 17:58.20 | Beladona | I hope so, I was trying to make it my fault |
| 17:58.30 | Thunder_Child | well you succeded then |
| 17:58.38 | Beladona | what are we talking about? |
| 17:58.43 | Kirov | Beladona - oh, btw ... wowcompares needs a search! |
| 17:58.45 | Kirov | >.< |
| 17:58.55 | Beladona | yeah yeah |
| 17:59.00 | Beladona | I just finished implementing caching |
| 17:59.05 | Beladona | so aht pages come up faster |
| 17:59.20 | Kirov | Does that mean you can display GlobalStrings? |
| 17:59.29 | Beladona | when I re-enable it |
| 17:59.46 | Beladona | the problem is the parser tries to color code it |
| 17:59.50 | Beladona | and it takes a long time |
| 18:00.12 | Beladona | the cache script I built will cache it the first time it is loaded |
| 18:00.13 | Kirov | I was actually thinking you might want to give some kind of line limit per-page |
| 18:00.17 | Beladona | and then use the cached version from then on |
| 18:00.18 | Esamynn | Beladona: fixed the bugged comparison pages yet? :P |
| 18:00.26 | Beladona | whats bugged? |
| 18:00.34 | Kirov | Oh yeah, that's annoying too |
| 18:00.42 | Esamynn | last a I looked, I could find examples of incomplete diffs |
| 18:00.55 | Beladona | you will need to tell me where |
| 18:01.27 | Esamynn | I could have told you off the top of my head, if you'd asked that LAST TIME I mentioned this :P |
| 18:01.39 | Beladona | this is the first I have heard of it |
| 18:01.53 | Beladona | it does an svn diff to generate those pages |
| 18:02.15 | Beladona | so the only way I can think of it being bad is if the commit was bad |
| 18:02.15 | Kirov | http://wowcompares.com/3018681/FrameXML/UnitFrame.lua?diff=2438606 - diff |
| 18:02.15 | Kirov | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/UnitFrame.lua - live |
| 18:02.15 | Kirov | http://wowcompares.com/3018681/FrameXML/UnitFrame.lua - beta |
| 18:02.17 | Kirov | notice anything wrong in, say, the first 10 lines |
| 18:02.30 | Thunder_Child | i would just like to point out Beladona that i was screwing around when i mentioned it was your fault and i have no responsability to what has followed :p |
| 18:03.06 | Josh_Borke | ~comfort Beladona |
| 18:03.06 | purl | There, there, Beladona. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:03.38 | Fisker- | it is madness |
| 18:03.40 | Beladona | ok so the diff itself isn't bad, but the individual file compares are wonky |
| 18:04.20 | Kirov | Beladona - it looks like a diff from the wrong versions. |
| 18:04.55 | Thunder_Child | i wonder what blizz is going to do this year for the sex factor, since arthas prolly wont look good in a bikini |
| 18:05.07 | Lunessa | Fisker-: This is WARCRAFT. |
| 18:05.18 | Lopeppeppy | Female undeadlings, TC |
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| 18:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | Banshees |
| 18:05.40 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Lopeppeppy, doesnt seem right |
| 18:06.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a girl, what do I know about sexy? How about hot mages and paladins squaring off with him or something? |
| 18:06.10 | Thunder_Child | "+Lopeppeppy: Banshees" naked women in sheets? |
| 18:06.24 | Lopeppeppy | Or out of sheets, your call |
| 18:06.49 | Thunder_Child | my call wont fly well. |
| 18:06.57 | zenzelezz | maybe Jaina will join him, she'd look all right |
| 18:07.47 | Lopeppeppy | She's a fickle tramp, she just might. |
| 18:07.54 | Lunessa | They could use Arthas's spectral valkyries. They're sorta sexy. |
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| 18:08.07 | Thunder_Child | "+Lopeppeppy: I'm a girl, what do I know about sexy?" if you're doing it right, lots |
| 18:09.21 | Lopeppeppy | I'm single, therefore I'm not doin' it at all, much less right/wrong. :) |
| 18:09.23 | Esamynn | Beladona: actually, it looks like the downloaded unified diffs are working |
| 18:09.31 | Esamynn | just not the web diffs |
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| 18:10.40 | Esamynn | for individual files, that is |
| 18:11.05 | Beladona | yeah I see that |
| 18:12.06 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: To quote Dr. Venkman... "What a crime." |
| 18:12.15 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, lope left |
| 18:12.24 | Thunder_Child | 11:10.27 Lopeppeppy leaves #WoWUIDev |
| 18:12.25 | Lunessa | i r teh slow |
| 18:12.31 | Thunder_Child | same here |
| 18:12.44 | Thunder_Child | i was in the middle of typing something when she left |
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| 18:23.29 | cog|work | Shirik: ping |
| 18:23.37 | Shirik | cog|work: pong |
| 18:23.45 | cog|work | MSDN subscriptions are annual? |
| 18:24.22 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:26.23 | cog|work | kk. trying to butter up my boss to the idea ;) |
| 18:30.53 | Shirik | hehe :) |
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| 18:37.23 | Codex| | shirik- want to help me hack fubar_gearrating to make me always 0.1higher than the highest rated player :D |
| 18:37.32 | Codex| | :P |
| 18:39.23 | Lukian | just equip all your highest level epic items? |
| 18:39.35 | Lukian | even when they don't make sense worn together? :D |
| 18:41.48 | cog|work | Shirik: wewt victory :) |
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| 18:42.43 | cog|work | well, it wasn't really a battle I suppose but meh |
| 18:44.22 | malreth | http://www.djbc.net/mashes/djbc-playthatfunkywii(120bpm).mp3 |
| 18:44.52 | malreth | i'm gonna make this my ringtone |
| 18:46.29 | Thunder_Child | ~fail malreth |
| 18:46.30 | purl | malreth: FAIL! |
| 18:46.44 | Fisker- | cog|work |
| 18:46.47 | Fisker- | 1+1 = 2 |
| 18:48.54 | Dashkal | malreth: too funny |
| 18:49.23 | malreth | it's brightened up my day... you can't help but smile when listening to that |
| 18:52.11 | Dashkal | damn thing is making me want to play wii sports... too bad I'm in the office |
| 18:52.54 | malreth | "go, vanilla, go!" |
| 18:54.11 | Thunder_Child | lol, blizz still has tech suppot for lost vikings/rock n roll racing/blackthorn |
| 18:54.35 | selckin | lost vikings > * |
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| 18:54.50 | Thunder_Child | with cheat codes for each game |
| 18:54.57 | Thunder_Child | http://us.blizzard.com/support/ |
| 18:55.23 | kd3 | oh wow... phoenix actually got an ice water sample in its oven |
| 18:55.43 | malreth | kd3: i just saw that on the twitter feed |
| 18:55.52 | kd3 | lol, that's where I got it too |
| 18:56.16 | malreth | Dashkal: listen to some of the other mashups that the guy has... |
| 18:56.22 | malreth | http://www.djbc.net/mashes/discog.htm |
| 18:56.41 | Dashkal | my eyes! |
| 18:56.47 | Dashkal | God damn that website is bad... |
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| 19:00.49 | TecnoBrat | Anyone else hate Times New Roman with a passion on a webpage? |
| 19:01.18 | selckin | i couldn't care less about fonts :\ |
| 19:01.35 | selckin | nor could i tell you what fond a site is in without looking at the source |
| 19:02.06 | Dashkal | Any serif font is pretty nasty on a web page |
| 19:02.36 | TecnoBrat | it makes me think they forgot to put styling on the page completely |
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| 19:03.07 | Shirik | Sunfyre gains Flight Form |
| 19:03.12 | Shirik | Sunfyre falls and loses 9246 health |
| 19:03.19 | Shirik | Sunfyre died. |
| 19:03.20 | Shirik | ..... wtf |
| 19:03.40 | malreth | God hates Druids |
| 19:03.56 | Dashkal | rofl |
| 19:03.58 | foxlit | Just that nick! |
| 19:04.08 | Shirik | the nick is a long story :P |
| 19:04.13 | Shirik | inside joke |
| 19:04.21 | Dashkal | There's a reason I keep my engy cloak on when traveling :p |
| 19:04.32 | *** join/#wowuidev soufron (n=soufron@wireless-77.media.mit.edu) |
| 19:04.42 | malreth | ok... yeah.. the website is hideous |
| 19:04.56 | malreth | http://www.djbc.net/mashes/djbc-sweetcandy.mp3 |
| 19:05.06 | malreth | that one makes me teh laugh |
| 19:05.13 | Dashkal | I can work with links :p I can't navigate that damn thing on account of eye bleeding |
| 19:05.39 | malreth | anything with MC Chris is gold |
| 19:06.20 | Thunder_Child | malreth, you make my head hurt |
| 19:06.34 | Dashkal | odd. alsaplayer can handle URLs from the command line, but I can't see a way to load one in the UI |
| 19:08.07 | Thunder_Child | but i dont like chocolate |
| 19:08.11 | Dashkal | this is... nearly bizarre |
| 19:08.15 | malreth | they have gumdrops |
| 19:08.22 | Thunder_Child | or gumdrops |
| 19:08.30 | Dashkal | Eurythmics... ok, not nearly anymore... |
| 19:08.43 | Thunder_Child | well, gummy things in general |
| 19:15.39 | cog|work | umm... is microsoft.com dead for anyone else? |
| 19:16.08 | zenzelezz | "waiting for..." |
| 19:16.53 | Fisker- | l2http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 19:17.07 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 19:17.08 | purl | Fisker-, you Fail! |
| 19:17.08 | zenzelezz | unrecognized protocol |
| 19:17.14 | Fisker- | ~epic fail Thunder_Child |
| 19:17.15 | purl | Thunder_Child, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Thunder_Child, you are that epic failure. |
| 19:17.21 | Thunder_Child | l2spacebar Fisker- |
| 19:17.36 | Fisker- | l2l2 Thunder_Child |
| 19:19.00 | Codex| | i have done the daily fishing quest every day since it came out- shouldnt i statistically have the hat by now? |
| 19:19.07 | Codex| | am i doing something wrong? |
| 19:19.13 | malreth | random means random |
| 19:19.15 | malreth | not fair |
| 19:19.18 | Fisker- | you already have it lolol |
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| 19:24.54 | Beladona | Esamynn, Kirov: for now I have changed the output to show the unified diff until I can fix the renderer. The diff will output the same way that code does |
| 19:28.32 | Codex| | lol no i dont have it fisk |
| 19:28.45 | Codex| | whats the chance of getting the hat again? |
| 19:30.06 | malreth | wowhead.com says 1.1% chance |
| 19:30.23 | malreth | we'll call it an even 1% |
| 19:30.57 | zenzelezz | which hat is this? (name) |
| 19:31.19 | malreth | the Weather-Beaten Fishing Hat |
| 19:31.37 | malreth | i've already got the hat from the fishing contest |
| 19:32.00 | malreth | and i've got a seemingly endless supply of sharpened hooks |
| 19:32.15 | zenzelezz | I still carry my fishing contest hat |
| 19:34.03 | Industrial | twink item! |
| 19:34.12 | zenzelezz | not at level 70 |
| 19:34.18 | Industrial | at 19 ;P |
| 19:34.40 | Kirov | Beladona - obviously not as pretty, but at least correct! |
| 19:34.49 | Kirov | (or rather, more expected) |
| 19:41.55 | Mery | <- won the first (oh so easy it was never again) and 3rd fishing contest |
| 19:43.14 | zenzelezz | never won... but had so many times I've been at 19 fish when someone won |
| 19:43.30 | Mery | 19 or 39? |
| 19:43.49 | zenzelezz | er, whichever... haven't done it for half a year out of frustration |
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| 19:43.57 | zenzelezz | just shy of the goal anyhow :) |
| 19:44.12 | durcyn | i love my arcanite fishing rod. |
| 19:44.19 | durcyn | why didn't i get the trinket =( |
| 19:45.01 | Mery | i always loved fishing so i won it a few times for guldies after, competition got harder every week though, in the end i got a group to summon me to the next location and 2 or 3 more to guard me LOL |
| 19:46.07 | zenzelezz | I think I might have one once or twice if I'd had the sense to set my hearthstone to Booty Bay... I learned too late |
| 19:46.34 | Mery | :( |
| 19:46.55 | zenzelezz | it's part of the fun anyhow =) |
| 19:47.02 | Mery | that's a trick i used from week one... but then i'm mage i never had to worry how to get back |
| 19:47.10 | zenzelezz | I'm on a PvE realm, so the only real contest is getting the fish fastest |
| 19:47.38 | Xuerian | I bet there's a handful of people that view the fishing contest as a ganking contest. |
| 19:47.46 | Mery | then get 3 more people to spot and summon for you (oh yeah i always had someone to spot for me) |
| 19:48.12 | Mery | well on a PvP server yes, it's alot of fun |
| 19:48.15 | zenzelezz | I actually find that on my realm you were generally left alone with your schools if you stayed to the far north |
| 19:49.16 | Mery | then it shouldn't be to hard to win... buy mithril spurs :P |
| 19:49.36 | zenzelezz | don't need anything like that. My problem is my sense of honor, I don't fish in other people's schools |
| 19:50.32 | Mery | that usually slows both down anyway |
| 19:51.07 | Mery | that's why i had someone looking if the next (empty) school is north or south of me |
| 19:52.23 | zenzelezz | I can see the advantage, but that's taking it a bit too seriously for my taste =) Plus, I don't like relying on help, even if it's willingly delivered |
| 19:54.55 | Mery | well on a PvP server you sometimes need help :) |
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| 19:55.35 | zenzelezz | very true |
| 19:55.52 | Dashkal | oh yeah. On mine you pretty much need basic arena gear on your spotters to get anywhere... |
| 19:56.15 | Dashkal | what the pvp crowd does when bored of the queue? |
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| 19:57.56 | selckin | talk trash in trade |
| 20:01.23 | Mery | oh and if an alliance player longs onto his frineds horde character, just that a special person of another alliance guild an't win the fishing contest - you can grab some popcorn and watch the drama on the realm forum :P |
| 20:02.46 | malreth | hey kids... sex without condoms is great and a totally safe thing to do! :D |
| 20:03.10 | *** part/#wowuidev Beladona (n=sluster@24.129.136.26) |
| 20:09.02 | Shirik | everyone welcome nobin, he hates Lua and thinks perl is god |
| 20:09.22 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 20:09.41 | durcyn | can't we like both lua -and- perl? =( |
| 20:09.44 | Shirik | no |
| 20:10.43 | Shirik | friend of mine :P I have yet to convert him to the Lua ways |
| 20:10.47 | Shirik | little does he know we're using Lua in the robot |
| 20:10.59 | zenzelezz | Shirik's only saying that because he never mastered perl |
| 20:11.21 | Shirik | perl is ugly :P |
| 20:11.40 | zenzelezz | matter of opinion. It wasn't designed to be pretty |
| 20:12.09 | durcyn | perl is a nice big rubber mallet. there are very few things that can't be fixed with rubber mallets. |
| 20:12.10 | Tem | if you're after looks, python > * |
| 20:14.22 | nobin | perl is beautiful |
| 20:14.43 | nobin | lua on the robot? |
| 20:14.46 | nobin | what |
| 20:14.47 | Shirik | yes! |
| 20:14.50 | nobin | no!!! |
| 20:14.54 | nobin | real-time system |
| 20:14.57 | nobin | no lua |
| 20:15.00 | nobin | or perl |
| 20:15.07 | Dashkal | durcyn: agreed |
| 20:15.07 | Tem | lua is perfect for real-time systems |
| 20:15.14 | Tem | silly engineer |
| 20:15.22 | nobin | do not want |
| 20:15.32 | malreth | ~panchira nobin |
| 20:15.32 | purl | ACTION flips nobin's skirt up. Ooh... Striped! |
| 20:15.33 | Dashkal | lua...realtime.... |
| 20:16.05 | Shirik | out of any language with GC, I would use Lua for a real-time system, but he's right Lua on this system would probably be detrimental to progress |
| 20:16.12 | Shirik | On a side note SINCE I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO'S CODED ANYTHING |
| 20:16.16 | Shirik | *cough* |
| 20:16.39 | zenzelezz | why cough as a side note? |
| 20:16.45 | Shirik | >< |
| 20:17.08 | nobin | not my fault |
| 20:17.50 | nobin | i can't touch the repository without entering a special code and beginning my files with an ode to how amazing shirik's coding style is |
| 20:17.59 | Shirik | .... |
| 20:18.09 | nobin | how yes and no tabs |
| 20:18.22 | nobin | and 80 char lines |
| 20:18.25 | Shirik | Lol, you missed our discussion a few days ago about why tabs are bad! |
| 20:18.30 | Shirik | I wish Cide were here right now |
| 20:18.32 | Shirik | ~seen Cide |
| 20:18.33 | purl | cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4d 5h 56m 26s ago, saying: 'reeelax'. |
| 20:18.35 | zenzelezz | wait, what, 80 character lines? |
| 20:18.43 | Shirik | for the printer :P |
| 20:18.51 | zenzelezz | screw the printer |
| 20:18.54 | nobin | yeah, wtf |
| 20:18.56 | Shirik | no! |
| 20:18.58 | zenzelezz | if you want to print, write poetry, not code |
| 20:19.02 | nobin | listen |
| 20:19.14 | nobin | i can make a perl script to convert code to 80 char lines |
| 20:19.19 | durcyn | er, when screwing printers, which one's the man? |
| 20:19.19 | Shirik | then do it! |
| 20:19.30 | Xuerian | Shirik: Like doing a virgin. |
| 20:19.31 | nobin | ohh i will.. |
| 20:19.31 | Shirik | You can add a commit hook to your client to handle that |
| 20:19.31 | durcyn | i'm trying to picture exactly how that intercourse works, logistically |
| 20:19.43 | Xuerian | (Note, that was a description, not a ping.) |
| 20:20.06 | Tem | wtf Shirik |
| 20:20.10 | Tem | tabs are awsome |
| 20:20.13 | Shirik | omg |
| 20:20.14 | Shirik | not this again |
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| 20:20.16 | nobin | exactly |
| 20:20.23 | Tem | ~failrik |
| 20:20.23 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:20.23 | Shirik | wait, I'll go find it |
| 20:20.24 | Shirik | ~logs |
| 20:20.25 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 20:20.33 | Tem | Tabs for indenting |
| 20:20.40 | Tem | Spaces for lining things up |
| 20:20.59 | malreth | Tabs for drinking |
| 20:21.25 | zenzelezz | if I can't convince someone to use 4-character tabs, I can't convince them to use 4 spaces either, so I tab |
| 20:21.31 | Shirik | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/20080727.html.gz |
| 20:21.32 | nobin | ~wtf is with the ! |
| 20:21.35 | Shirik | 1:43.12 |
| 20:21.43 | Shirik | go read |
| 20:21.44 | Shirik | and learn |
| 20:21.44 | nobin | omg |
| 20:21.53 | nobin | there is a wtf command |
| 20:22.02 | zenzelezz | of course there is |
| 20:22.04 | Shirik | it's just to man |
| 20:22.06 | malreth | ~wtf man |
| 20:22.08 | Shirik | ~wtf printf |
| 20:22.14 | Dashkal | ~wtf wtf |
| 20:22.27 | zenzelezz | ~wtf ftw |
| 20:22.40 | nobin | ~wtf nobin |
| 20:22.58 | nobin | it's database is lacking |
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| 20:23.09 | Shirik | your grammar is lacking |
| 20:23.49 | Shirik | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/20080727.html.gz 1:45.56 is the discussion |
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| 20:24.32 | devXero | question.. when opening the enchanting window, isCraft returns false... yet, I have to use GetNumCrafts to get the number of recipes... |
| 20:24.53 | malreth | blame blizzard |
| 20:24.56 | devXero | why would that be? ( or am I not looking at that correctly? _ |
| 20:24.58 | Shirik | isCraft? |
| 20:24.58 | devXero | ah |
| 20:25.02 | Shirik | Where are you finding this from |
| 20:25.27 | devXero | oh you know what... isCraft was a custom function from the previous person... I'm deleting it now |
| 20:25.44 | devXero | sometimes I hate going through someone elses code... |
| 20:25.45 | devXero | sorry |
| 20:25.47 | malreth | s/blizzard/someone/ |
| 20:25.49 | Shirik | :) |
| 20:26.08 | nobin | perl regular expressions :) |
| 20:26.18 | Shirik | vim substitution |
| 20:26.21 | Shirik | but that's right |
| 20:26.22 | Shirik | you wouldn't know |
| 20:26.25 | Shirik | BECAUSE YOU DON'T USE VIM EITHER |
| 20:26.33 | nobin | i know of vim |
| 20:26.36 | malreth | real programmers use 'ed' |
| 20:26.41 | Shirik | anyway, as a general rule of thumb, you can say that Blizzard functions are CamelCase with the first letter capital. If you encounter anything else, it's likely not written by Blizzard |
| 20:26.42 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Shirik!n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by clad|away (your mom is an emacs user) |
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| 20:26.47 | nobin | real programmers use cat |
| 20:26.48 | Shirik | oi |
| 20:26.53 | clad|away | lolwut? |
| 20:26.57 | Shirik | real programmers use butterflies |
| 20:27.18 | nobin | ~wtf ed |
| 20:27.27 | Lunessa | emacs totally hase a function for that. |
| 20:27.31 | nobin | ohh, that's informative |
| 20:27.43 | nobin | ~wtf vim |
| 20:27.58 | nobin | ~wtf richard_stallman |
| 20:27.58 | malreth | when i was shift supervisor at the help desk i worked at |
| 20:28.08 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+c] by Shirik |
| 20:28.12 | Shirik | oops |
| 20:28.18 | Shirik | uh |
| 20:28.27 | nobin | ~wtf +c |
| 20:28.32 | Shirik | omg stop with the bot >< |
| 20:28.36 | Shirik | +c is strip colors |
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| 20:29.02 | Shirik | that was supposed to be /mode #wowuidev -o cladhaire |
| 20:29.06 | cladhaire | yes, please stop with the bot |
| 20:29.12 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-o Shirik] by cladhaire |
| 20:29.15 | malreth | when training nuggets on unix, i would tell them that 'ed' was the text editor to use. after 5 to 10 minutes i'd have someone else tell them to, "Try vi. It stands for Visual Editor." From that day forth, they'd forever be a vi addict |
| 20:29.20 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:29.50 | Shirik | malreth, interesting idea |
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| 20:30.21 | Fisker- | it just keeps on coming and coming |
| 20:31.42 | Lunessa | heh, my early *nix experience was all with emacs. I never used Vi. |
| 20:32.02 | malreth | i can't stand either emacs or vi. i use nano |
| 20:33.23 | nobin | nano is gentoo defualt, yeah!! |
| 20:33.32 | Shirik | the only thing I have against gentoo.... |
| 20:33.36 | Shirik | that was quickly corrected |
| 20:34.56 | Dashkal | nano > all |
| 20:35.55 | durcyn | people actually use that horrible horrible ... thing? i can't even call it an editor. |
| 20:36.30 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 20:37.46 | Shirik | btw nobin, I needs your help when you get back |
| 20:37.51 | Shirik | you're going to compile gcc for me |
| 20:38.05 | Shirik | qde is gcc 2.95 |
| 20:38.17 | Shirik | which has a bug I can't get around >.> |
| 20:39.43 | Dashkal | hell yes I use nano. It's a text editor. Nothing more |
| 20:39.52 | Dashkal | If I want a programmer's editor, give me a gui or go away |
| 20:41.47 | Fisker- | i have something against you Shirik :o |
| 20:41.52 | Shirik | you always do |
| 20:41.57 | Shirik | but I has authenticator |
| 20:42.04 | Fisker- | i has authenticator too |
| 20:42.17 | cladhaire | i will has authenticator? |
| 20:42.18 | cladhaire | =( |
| 20:43.21 | Fisker- | EU should have more balls |
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| 20:43.46 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557208033&sid=2003#3 |
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| 20:44.35 | malreth | Dashkal: agreed |
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| 20:46.40 | Fisker- | amirite Shirik ? |
| 20:47.07 | cladhaire | ~emulate shirik |
| 20:47.08 | purl | I'll answer that in a few minutes when this web page has finished loading... |
| 20:56.58 | Mike-N-Go | Tekkub: Hi there, I am trying to get TourGuide working. Currently, the tracker is hidden, or behind some UI element. Might there be a rest positioning command for the quest tracker frame of this addon? |
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| 20:58.55 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.02 | Tekkub | then reload ui |
| 21:00.44 | bleeter | oh, there's tekkub. means I've got a chance to say thanks for the newer options in TG, they largely meet my.. desires for additional options and stuffs. thanks mate :) |
| 21:01.05 | Tekkub | :P |
| 21:02.57 | bleeter | now, if I can just convince blizz that a having to tick a checkbox to disable a feature is poor UI design, I might start feeling like my life can be complete |
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| 21:04.12 | Tekkub | what's wrong with doublenegatives? |
| 21:04.45 | bleeter | nah, not the double negatives. enabling an option to disable something is poor form. |
| 21:05.03 | Tekkub | yea, that's a doublenegative |
| 21:05.29 | bleeter | [] Disable spam filter << should just be 'enable spam filter' |
| 21:05.52 | malreth | agreed |
| 21:06.25 | Mike-N-Go | Tekkub: That did not do it. |
| 21:07.01 | Tekkub | then something else is moving it |
| 21:07.25 | Mike-N-Go | Leme check MoveAnything.. |
| 21:08.53 | Mike-N-Go | What would the name of TourGuide's quest tracker frame be? |
| 21:09.09 | Tekkub | it's not named |
| 21:09.11 | Codex| | moveanything breaks spellbook in combatstill |
| 21:09.33 | Shirik | as someone said long long ago, MoveAnything is a giant wrecking ball of taint |
| 21:09.46 | Mike-N-Go | Any alternitive? |
| 21:09.53 | Mike-N-Go | alternative * |
| 21:09.59 | Shirik | there is, though I can't think of the name off hand |
| 21:10.03 | Shirik | you could always use scripts to do it :P |
| 21:10.22 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Would you help me with that =P? |
| 21:10.23 | Shirik | GetMouseFocus():StartMoving(), GetMouseFocus():StopMovingOrSizing() |
| 21:11.06 | Xuerian | Hmm.... sub ran out... probably a good thing, but .. do want .. to play... >.> |
| 21:11.07 | Mike-N-Go | If you move it that way, do the changes stick over UI reload? |
| 21:11.11 | Arrowmaster | fluidframes or something? |
| 21:11.41 | Shirik | Mike-N-Go: Probably not |
| 21:14.32 | bleeter | i use fluidframes, works for me |
| 21:17.54 | Atriace | You know what would be cool? |
| 21:18.10 | Atriace | A Lua validator. I bet there's got to be one out there. |
| 21:18.20 | Fisker- | i'm a LUA validator |
| 21:18.35 | krka | Fisker-: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? |
| 21:18.47 | Fisker- | slow bot is slow |
| 21:18.57 | Fisker- | or random delay boy is random delay |
| 21:19.03 | Fisker- | bot* |
| 21:21.01 | malreth | lua validator? |
| 21:21.20 | malreth | like luac -p |
| 21:22.20 | cog|work | Atriace: ^ |
| 21:22.51 | Lunessa | Douchbaggery at it's most basic level: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557068488&sid=1 |
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| 21:23.59 | malreth | "Don't ask a question that has an answer that isn't the answer you want." Gods! The number of times I tell that to my fiancee... nothing changes, tho. Except our sleeping arrangements for the night |
| 21:24.15 | cog|work | Lunessa: i dispwn you |
| 21:24.18 | foxlit | meh |
| 21:24.20 | foxlit | you blinked first |
| 21:24.38 | foxlit | The proper reply was "You are very welcome." |
| 21:25.04 | Atriace | Sorry for the delay (I was called away). |
| 21:25.20 | Atriace | luac is a Lua compiler and -p is an operating mode? |
| 21:25.21 | Lunessa | Fuck 'em. Fuck ever single passive-agressive fuck-witted douche bag that can't be arsed to sped 10 seconds typing something into google. |
| 21:25.32 | cog|work | p for parse i think |
| 21:25.45 | Industrial | whats questhelper |
| 21:25.59 | Lunessa | ~LART Industrial |
| 21:25.59 | purl | cuts off Industrial's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 21:26.02 | cog|work | runs the parser on a file and prints any errors |
| 21:26.17 | cog|work | also "the" not "a" |
| 21:26.22 | cog|work | d'oh |
| 21:27.59 | malreth | i need a wedding to be over |
| 21:28.12 | malreth | i'm a walking ball of nerves right now |
| 21:28.17 | malreth | i want it to be done and over |
| 21:28.39 | malreth | it doesn't help that i just got handed a fuckball of drama by one of my close friends |
| 21:29.03 | Josh_Borke | malreth: when is your wedding? |
| 21:29.10 | malreth | Next Friday |
| 21:29.13 | Josh_Borke | ooo |
| 21:29.17 | Josh_Borke | i wish you the best of luck |
| 21:29.31 | malreth | i don't need luck. i'm already awesome. |
| 21:30.08 | Josh_Borke | you should tell that to your walking ball of nerves |
| 21:30.10 | Industrial | AESOM |
| 21:30.13 | Lunessa | Mal, you said the rehersal was on the 6th? |
| 21:30.40 | malreth | rehearsal is on the 7th |
| 21:31.18 | malreth | i only ordered enough food for 31 people for the dinner... i think 32 are coming? |
| 21:31.30 | malreth | i'm probably gonna increase that number slightly |
| 21:31.34 | Lunessa | I won't be able to crash it. I'm the only one who works on Friday, and nights, so I can't get out to Austin. So don't worry about me. :P |
| 21:31.45 | malreth | aah |
| 21:32.08 | Lunessa | But let me know where to send wedding gifts. :P |
| 21:33.01 | Hirsute | AESOM? Albert Einstein School of Medicine? |
| 21:33.19 | Hirsute | Grats on the wedding, by the way, malreth |
| 21:33.27 | malreth | thank you |
| 21:34.19 | Lunessa | His bride-to-be is pretty sweet. He's a lucky guy. She tolerates and shares many of his geeky obsessions. |
| 21:34.37 | malreth | rational discourse isn't one of them, however. :p |
| 21:34.47 | malreth | but she is a sweetie |
| 21:38.19 | malreth | unity mode in VMware Fusion beta 2 is really nice now |
| 21:39.50 | Vilkku | what's the story on the addon keys? there is none yet, I hope? |
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| 21:40.20 | malreth | beta keys are reserved for special people who are not you |
| 21:40.45 | Vilkku | malreth: cheery person aren't you? :P |
| 21:40.59 | durcyn | austin, eh? i could swing by with a firehose for a nominal fee, Lunessa. |
| 21:41.08 | Lunessa | lawl |
| 21:41.14 | malreth | violence makes me happy |
| 21:41.21 | malreth | i need a dose of cheering up |
| 21:41.28 | Lunessa | VW Ware Fusion is awesome. |
| 21:41.40 | malreth | which is why i have that vanilla ice/wii sports mashup song playing on infinite repeat |
| 21:42.05 | malreth | soon, the anger inside will reach a peak |
| 21:42.16 | Mike-N-Go | Tekkub: I think I have traced the problem. Something to do with AddOnLoader. |
| 21:42.22 | durcyn | well, at least it'll be a really short honeymoon. |
| 21:42.40 | malreth | no honeymoon... we're flat broke paying for the wedding |
| 21:42.55 | malreth | which is the good news |
| 21:43.17 | malreth | we're not going into debt for this thank yahweh |
| 21:44.37 | Mike-N-Go | When I had AddOnLoader disabled, your quest tracker frame appeared on the next reload. |
| 21:50.36 | Mike-N-Go | Tekkub: I guess it is a problem with the loading sequence, I set 'X-LoadOn-Always' in the TourGuide.toc file to true, and it now loads, even with AddOnLoader installed. Or, I could just delete the part about AddOnLoader from this .toc, possibly. |
| 21:52.01 | clad|sleep | which AddonLoader are you using? |
| 21:53.02 | Mike-N-Go | Version: 1.0, Interface: 20400, Author: Nymbia, Mikk |
| 21:53.14 | clad|sleep | you should not use that one anymore, really |
| 21:53.15 | clad|sleep | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/AddonLoader/ |
| 21:53.19 | clad|sleep | not sure if that's your issue |
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| 21:53.29 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, I see their is a new version of AddOnLoader out. |
| 21:53.33 | clad|sleep | but it could be, since TourGuide loads just perfectly for me |
| 21:53.37 | clad|sleep | its a complete rewrite of AddonLoder |
| 21:54.06 | malreth | i rewrote Ensemble to be AddonLoader savvy |
| 21:54.35 | malreth | it loads on PARTY_INVITE_REQUEST... but i wish there was a better way to get the event arguments |
| 21:55.47 | malreth | the global arguments (arg1, arg2, ..., argn) are going away |
| 21:56.09 | malreth | so i don't know how forward compatible it will be, if at all |
| 21:56.25 | clad|sleep | why can't you get the OnEvent? |
| 21:56.28 | clad|sleep | or am i missing something |
| 21:56.59 | malreth | i have this in my .toc |
| 21:57.00 | malreth | ## X-LoadOn-PARTY_INVITE_REQUEST: if AddonLoader:LoadAddOn("Ensemble") then Ensemble:HandleInviteDeferred(arg1) end |
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| 21:57.46 | malreth | P_I_R gets as its first argument the name of the inviter |
| 21:57.48 | clad|sleep | the event should be passed to your function, along with its arguments. |
| 21:58.09 | malreth | the wiki documentation didn't mention that |
| 21:58.19 | clad|sleep | the wiki wasn't written for this version of AL |
| 21:58.20 | clad|sleep | imo |
| 21:58.27 | clad|sleep | its still for the old one, which we're backwards compat with |
| 21:58.28 | malreth | i eagerly await your clue |
| 21:59.30 | Mike-N-Go | Alright, that was the issue. An outdated version of AddOnLoader; the frame I have been talking of now loads correctly without any modifications to the TourGuide.toc file, Tekkub. |
| 22:00.02 | clad|sleep | malreth: yep, you should be able to just do local arg1 = ... and it should work fine |
| 22:00.10 | clad|sleep | you can even test that now |
| 22:00.31 | clad|sleep | let me know if it doesn't work.. or specifically, [Ammo] :P |
| 22:00.32 | malreth | so... Ensemble:HandleInviteDeferred(...) |
| 22:00.40 | clad|sleep | yeah that works fine too |
| 22:01.47 | malreth | actually... Ensemble:OnEvent(...) since the event is the first arg |
| 22:02.17 | clad|sleep | well no |
| 22:02.17 | clad|sleep | event is called event |
| 22:02.17 | clad|sleep | its not in ... |
| 22:02.17 | malreth | oh... i get ya |
| 22:02.22 | clad|sleep | hrm |
| 22:02.29 | clad|sleep | i dont know to be honest how it works |
| 22:02.32 | clad|sleep | btu i think you can do _something_ |
| 22:02.36 | clad|sleep | just not sure what, trying to figure it out. |
| 22:02.41 | malreth | i'll test it when i get home |
| 22:02.48 | malreth | either way works |
| 22:03.31 | malreth | speaking of which... later folks |
| 22:06.29 | tuxeh | Any idea why a buff is registered twice (or even three times) with this code; http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92852 |
| 22:07.52 | Tem | what's the name of that mind puzzle game where you have to guess the color of 4 dots? |
| 22:07.56 | Tem | I can't think of it |
| 22:08.04 | alestane | Mastermind? |
| 22:08.06 | Tem | yes |
| 22:08.08 | Tem | thank you |
| 22:08.14 | Shirik | mastermind so much fun |
| 22:10.30 | Kirov | can't a player have more than 16 buffs now? |
| 22:10.52 | tuxeh | Hmm, at least a boss can have 32 debuffs can't they? |
| 22:11.15 | cbreak | wasn't it raised past 40 sometimes during the bwl/aq40 time? |
| 22:11.35 | Kirov | I've never seen it hit, personally. |
| 22:11.48 | Kirov | I know the UI has a max to the number it can show, but I'm not sure there's an actual limit on a mob. |
| 22:11.48 | cbreak | I remember hitting it in the old world, with big raids |
| 22:11.55 | Kirov | It used to be 16 |
| 22:11.59 | Kirov | then 32 |
| 22:12.06 | tuxeh | from 2006;# You may have up to 32 buffs before older ones get bumped off for newer ones. |
| 22:12.06 | tuxeh | # Important to note, however, is that only 16 of them shall be visible at any time. |
| 22:12.08 | Kirov | then > than that |
| 22:12.33 | Kirov | fair enough |
| 22:13.02 | tuxeh | *changes from 16 to 32* |
| 22:14.14 | cbreak | that's still less than 1 per raider :/ |
| 22:14.26 | cbreak | (In the old 40 person raids) |
| 22:14.38 | Kirov | cbreaker - that's player buffs. |
| 22:14.43 | Kirov | I'm pretty sure debuff limit is higher |
| 22:15.15 | Kirov | Doing Nefarian back in the day I'm fairly positive we had over 32 on a boss |
| 22:15.45 | cbreak | yes. I remember us stopping to worry about debuff discipline |
| 22:16.20 | Arrowmaster | mob debuff limits used to be 8 then went to 16 |
| 22:16.27 | Arrowmaster | it went from 16 to 40 with TBC |
| 22:16.39 | tuxeh | Is there a way to combine two buffs, lets say I am checking to see if a player has Blessing of Might\Greater Blessing of Might |
| 22:16.48 | tuxeh | Or do I need to explicitly look both |
| 22:16.49 | Kirov | I was a hunter, I remember yelling at the other hunters to stop serpent stinging boss mobs. |
| 22:17.00 | Arrowmaster | i was a warlock |
| 22:17.11 | Arrowmaster | the hunters would serpent sting bosses |
| 22:17.20 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - yeah, you guys were the reason why I was yelling at them. |
| 22:17.21 | Arrowmaster | and the rogues would all vanish garrote rupture |
| 22:17.24 | Arrowmaster | just to piss me off |
| 22:17.52 | Kirov | I also used to grumble at fire mages... now I play one. |
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| 22:18.14 | Kirov | tuxeh - I don't see anything wrong with your code btw. |
| 22:18.33 | Kirov | tuxeh - are you sure you don't have the buffs double allocated in the buffsToCheckFor table? |
| 22:18.34 | Arrowmaster | its ok now though |
| 22:18.49 | Arrowmaster | our shamans enjoy flameshocking sheeps and icetraps |
| 22:18.58 | Kirov | tuxeh - and is there a reason why you're not storing buff names as the table keys? |
| 22:18.59 | Arrowmaster | all the priests started holy firing them once |
| 22:19.01 | Arrowmaster | it was great |
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| 22:19.16 | tuxeh | Kirov: I figured it out, it was detected multiple times by different calls |
| 22:19.19 | tuxeh | Not the same method call |
| 22:19.21 | tuxeh | so it's all good |
| 22:19.26 | tuxeh | :) |
| 22:19.40 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - On Nefarian we had one rogue who would always "mysteriously" die during the priest call. |
| 22:20.06 | Kirov | One day he wisened up and noticed EVERY priest, all 6 of them, were healing him. |
| 22:20.13 | Arrowmaster | i got pissed when they nerfed Curse of Tonges so i couldnt cast it on bosses that werent effected by him |
| 22:20.23 | Arrowmaster | i wanted to CoT nef |
| 22:20.43 | tuxeh | and I'm not sure why or how, to do what you mentioned in the latter message :-P I'm really new to all of this :) Would it make more sense to do it that way? |
| 22:21.02 | Kirov | tuxeh - it depends on what you're using that table for. |
| 22:21.27 | tuxeh | I'm using the table to store the names of the buffs relevant for each class |
| 22:21.35 | tuxeh | so I can check if the player has any of the relevant buffs |
| 22:22.03 | Kirov | If you're using the table for ordering of some kind, the way you're doing it is probably best. If you're using it only for name checks, then the other method would be better. |
| 22:23.10 | tuxeh | Ok, then I'll read up on that. By the way, lets say I want one to be able to decide what buffs to enable or disable checking for, would it be possible to store multiple data about an entry in the table? Such as a name string and a boolean |
| 22:24.13 | Kirov | tuxeh - storing it as a key would help with that. |
| 22:24.19 | Kirov | I'll give an example code in a sec |
| 22:24.25 | tuxeh | That'd be awesome! :) |
| 22:26.08 | cbreak | I think table lookup is O(1). But if you use string keys, hashing them is O(n). Not completely sure. |
| 22:26.16 | tuxeh | ( A side question -- I've heard that the use of XML to define frames is somewhat frowned upon nowadays, but I still see a lot of addons using them for just that purpose ) |
| 22:26.56 | Arrowmaster | its just annoying |
| 22:27.25 | Kirov | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92855 |
| 22:27.45 | tuxeh | I've been looking at xml examples, and have tried to port it to pure lua, but I've actually had a hard time finding the methods to do what someo f the xml parameters define :-P |
| 22:27.56 | Kirov | tuxeh - there's a split between those who use exclusively xml, those who use exclusively lua, and those who use both |
| 22:28.08 | durcyn | so, is there a non-retarded method of determining the actual repo uri for a given project on svn.wowi? i feel like a schmuck looping over number suffixes. |
| 22:28.21 | tuxeh | Thank you so much Kirov :)) |
| 22:28.30 | Lunessa | tuxeh: T(simplifying a bit) he difference is that XML frames are always loaded with your AddOn, and dynamic frames are only created when they're called in code. Also, XML is a PITA to code without a visual tool. |
| 22:30.11 | cbreak | Kirov: you could simplify that a bit by only indexing the table once |
| 22:32.12 | Lunessa | Yet another example of why I probably need a forum break. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557017150&sid=1 |
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| 22:33.38 | Dashkal | oh god they fed him... |
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| 22:35.10 | Kirov | cbreak - I index it twice for the example |
| 22:36.02 | cbreak | I'd do it a bit like that I guess: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92857 (Cache the result in a local variable). But the difference is probably negible |
| 22:36.17 | Shirik | cbreak: Table lookup is not really O(1) |
| 22:36.20 | Shirik | it's kinda O(1) |
| 22:36.25 | Shirik | rawget is O(1) |
| 22:36.46 | cbreak | it's a hash lookup, right? |
| 22:36.53 | Shirik | Sometimes |
| 22:37.22 | cbreak | I am asuming that no one wrote a __index meta method that does something else :) |
| 22:37.40 | Shirik | however, "hashing" is irrelevant because you don't actually pass around strings all over the place |
| 22:38.04 | Shirik | so, assuming that hashing is O(n) (I have no idea), that does not mean that a[("s")] is 500 times faster than a[("s"):rep(500)] |
| 22:38.06 | cbreak | you have to hash the key |
| 22:38.09 | Shirik | in fact, they should be the same speed |
| 22:38.17 | cbreak | not the whole string of course |
| 22:38.23 | cbreak | unless you have a literal I guess? |
| 22:38.43 | alestane | Literals are hashed at compile time. |
| 22:38.44 | Shirik | Assume that everything in Lua is a pointer |
| 22:38.51 | Shirik | because that's really all that you're working with |
| 22:38.58 | Shirik | that's the easiest way I can think about it |
| 22:39.07 | Shirik | (well except for numbers, bools, etc. But complex objects) |
| 22:39.34 | Shirik | Given that, you now see that every table lookup is identical |
| 22:39.42 | Shirik | because everything is essentially just a number |
| 22:40.00 | cbreak | hmm, yes. |
| 22:40.07 | Shirik | (Granted, I'm making this seem a lot simpler than it actually is, but this is sufficiently true for this discussion) |
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| 22:40.33 | Shirik | Both the array and the hash lookup, iirc, are O(1). However the constant is not identical. The hash lookup is faster |
| 22:41.06 | cbreak | with array lookup you mean integer keys? |
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| 22:41.14 | Shirik | not always |
| 22:41.17 | Drundia | it's like index = hash(tsize, address) |
| 22:41.26 | Drundia | when someone posted source code |
| 22:41.33 | Drundia | it appeared like that |
| 22:41.39 | Shirik | lua> t = {}; t[500] = 4; return t[500]; |
| 22:41.39 | lua_bot | Shirik: 4 |
| 22:41.43 | Shirik | That is most likely a hash lookup |
| 22:41.52 | Shirik | There's no guarantee, but I'm fairly certain it is |
| 22:42.39 | cbreak | ah well, details I guess :) |
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| 22:42.48 | Shirik | Yes it's not really something you should concern yourself with :) |
| 22:42.51 | Shirik | the internals |
| 22:43.00 | Drundia | then there are also evil collisions |
| 22:43.08 | Shirik | aye, I didn't bring that up |
| 22:43.14 | cbreak | local variable lookup is faster than table indexing though? most likely, since the table in this case is a global |
| 22:43.22 | Shirik | there is no "lookup" of a local variable |
| 22:43.31 | Shirik | it's just there |
| 22:43.31 | cbreak | well... you have to get it from the stack |
| 22:43.34 | Shirik | Yes |
| 22:43.42 | Shirik | but everything is on the stack :P |
| 22:43.55 | cbreak | so you have to add an offset to a pointer :) |
| 22:44.03 | Shirik | the GETGLOBAL opcode does nothing more than pull something to the stack |
| 22:44.27 | Shirik | using that logic, the GETLOCAL opcode (were it to exist) would be a noop |
| 22:44.51 | Shirik | because every opcode in Lua that needs an argument just points to the stack |
| 22:44.57 | Shirik | whether it's on the top or otherwise |
| 22:45.09 | Shirik | so the act of "getting" a local is free |
| 22:45.24 | Drundia | locals and upvalues are about the same, lookup of global is equivalent to lookup in local table |
| 22:45.40 | Shirik | upvalues are a little more expensive because it does have to be pulled from somewhere |
| 22:45.47 | Shirik | but nowhere near as bad as a global |
| 22:45.52 | Drundia | they are about the same, a few % difference |
| 22:46.10 | cbreak | where are the globals? In a global table, right? |
| 22:46.13 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:46.14 | Drundia | and globals were about 2 times slower last time i tested it |
| 22:46.24 | Drundia | globals are in environment table |
| 22:46.25 | Mikk | funnily enough _G["myGlobal"] is a little bit faster than directly accessing myGlobal, assuming you have _G lying around as a local anyway |
| 22:46.34 | alestane | Yes, a global retrieval requires a table lookup. |
| 22:46.51 | Mikk | reason probably being that normal global variable access needs to go look up the fenv also |
| 22:46.53 | Drundia | environment table i believe is upvalue |
| 22:47.20 | Shirik | You should, however, keep in mind that these are implementation details :) Another implementation may act otherwise |
| 22:47.34 | Shirik | However, locals will always be free because there is no opcode for them |
| 22:48.35 | cbreak | it can't be free. memory access is always costly. Hmm... |
| 22:48.44 | Shirik | no, it is literally free |
| 22:48.48 | Shirik | because there is nothing to access |
| 22:48.54 | Shirik | The accessing is done at some later point in time |
| 22:49.06 | Shirik | Look at it this way: Take the ADD opcode for example |
| 22:49.08 | cbreak | yes, but it has to be done |
| 22:49.16 | Shirik | ADD takes two arguments, we'll call a and b, which both are pointers to the stack |
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| 22:49.45 | Shirik | ADD 1 2 means do "*(stack-1) + *(stack-2)" |
| 22:49.45 | cbreak | so you have to take the stack pointer, load it into a register, add the offset, load the location the result points at into a register and do what ever you want with it |
| 22:49.47 | Shirik | and put that on top of the stack |
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| 22:49.54 | Shirik | no, you're missing this |
| 22:49.59 | Shirik | EVEN IF you use GETGLOBAL to do a lookup |
| 22:50.04 | Kirov | is it possible to get the actual lua hash value of any variable? |
| 22:50.06 | Shirik | you STILL have to use those pointers, so you then have another lookup |
| 22:50.09 | Shirik | if you want to call it that |
| 22:50.23 | Kirov | I know you can get it for a function, and userdata, but not sure about tables / strings |
| 22:50.30 | Shirik | because the act of "getting" a global does not actually do anything with it other than put it on the stack |
| 22:50.31 | cbreak | yes, I know you can't get it cheaper |
| 22:50.41 | Drundia | Kirov, how can you get it? |
| 22:50.45 | Shirik | Then to the VM, it's free |
| 22:50.58 | cbreak | yeah, but I still think in C :/ |
| 22:51.00 | Kirov | Drundia - tostring(function) |
| 22:51.10 | Drundia | oh, you mean that :) |
| 22:51.18 | Drundia | but it's not hash value, i think it's address |
| 22:51.30 | Kirov | for functions and userdata, yes |
| 22:51.42 | Arrowmaster | Kirov: and tables |
| 22:51.53 | Kirov | tostring(tablevar) works? |
| 22:51.53 | Arrowmaster | lua> tostring{} |
| 22:51.53 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: table: 0x666a30 |
| 22:52.02 | Shirik | tostring() anything works... |
| 22:52.13 | cbreak | >tostring(nil) |
| 22:52.22 | Drundia | but it won't say address of strings, bools or numbers |
| 22:52.23 | alestane | >>> tostring(nil) |
| 22:52.24 | Shirik | oh, sorry, you wanted the address |
| 22:52.26 | Arrowmaster | lua> tostring(-false) |
| 22:52.26 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a boolean value |
| 22:52.47 | Arrowmaster | lua> tostring(nil) |
| 22:52.47 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: nil |
| 22:53.02 | Shirik | lua> tostring(nil):format("%q") |
| 22:53.03 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 22:53.06 | Drundia | lua> print(tostring(false), tostring(true)) |
| 22:53.07 | lua_bot | Drundia: false, true |
| 22:53.08 | Shirik | ... wtf? |
| 22:53.15 | Shirik | what is this |
| 22:53.25 | Shirik | where is my quotes! |
| 22:53.35 | Drundia | tostring(nil):format("%q") is format(nil, "%q") |
| 22:53.36 | Shirik | lua> ('"'):format("%q") |
| 22:53.36 | lua_bot | Shirik: " |
| 22:53.41 | alestane | lua> ("%q"):format(tostring(nil)) |
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| 22:53.42 | lua_bot | alestane: "nil" |
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| 22:53.48 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:53.49 | Shirik | whoops |
| 22:54.02 | Shirik | and technically, Drundia, it's format("nil", "%q") ;) |
| 22:54.04 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.format("%q", tostring(nil)) |
| 22:54.04 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: "nil" |
| 22:54.17 | Drundia | oh right... |
| 22:54.21 | Shirik | which is what I was trying to clarify by that ^ |
| 22:54.26 | Shirik | before the epic failure |
| 22:54.27 | Drundia | i fail about as a person i answered to... |
| 22:55.35 | Drundia | i surely wanted to include tostring() there, but somehow it's missing... i blame alt-tabs |
| 22:57.46 | Rabbitbunny | a = { b = { c = { d = "e" } } }, while recursing that with 'for key,value in pairs(a) do' loops, How can I get key to retrun a string? right now it returns 'table: 1DA97E70' |
| 22:58.02 | Shirik | huh? |
| 22:58.17 | Rabbitbunny | I'll pastebin... |
| 22:58.31 | Shirik | lua> for k,v in pairs{ b = { c = { d = "e" } } } do print(k) end |
| 22:58.31 | lua_bot | Shirik: b |
| 22:59.04 | Shirik | lua> function test(t) for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k) if type(v) == 'table' then test(v) end end test{ b = { c = { d = "e" } } } |
| 22:59.04 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 22:59.13 | Shirik | lua> function test(t) for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k) if type(v) == 'table' then test(v) end end end test{ b = { c = { d = "e" } } } |
| 22:59.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: b, c, d |
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| 22:59.54 | Rabbitbunny | http://pastebin.com/m1845b6d0 |
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| 23:00.27 | Xinhuan | what's wrong with that code? |
| 23:00.43 | Xinhuan | you're running tostring() on the tables |
| 23:00.53 | Xinhuan | you should be printing "level1", etc |
| 23:01.21 | Rabbitbunny | it prints 'echoing...' 'table:55555' 'table:3232344' 'table:3423423' 'toon=Bunny' |
| 23:01.24 | Xinhuan | for key, value in pairs(sometable) do <--- the first variable "key" is the key |
| 23:01.29 | Xinhuan | the second variable "value" is the table |
| 23:01.36 | Xinhuan | you're doing tostring(value) |
| 23:01.41 | Xinhuan | i.e you're converting the table to a string |
| 23:02.00 | Xinhuan | tostring(zone) <--- should be tostring(level1) |
| 23:02.15 | Xinhuan | in fact, the tostring() is redundant, since level1 is already a string |
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| 23:03.04 | Xinhuan | do.. you get it? |
| 23:03.47 | Rabbitbunny | I need to get waaay better at table before I come up with any 'leet haxx'... I guess I got lost in my variable names, But that's what I thought I was doing. |
| 23:04.13 | hipjipp | Xinhuan: Thanks alot for that description of tables, never understood the "key, value" thing. |
| 23:04.36 | Xinhuan | a table usually looks like t[somekey] = somevalue |
| 23:04.57 | Xinhuan | so for k, v in pairs(t) do <-- just assigned somekey to k and somevalue to v, and loop over the whole table |
| 23:05.16 | Xinhuan | pretty simple :) |
| 23:05.57 | Rabbitbunny | Speaking of it, Say I want to add another table in there... say ["Darkshore"] = {} whenever you finally leave that zone.. How Do I add a nested table? While protecting the dynamic nature of the code? |
| 23:06.20 | Shirik | lua> t = {1,2,3}; for k,v in next, t, nil do print(k.."="..v) end |
| 23:06.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1=1, 2=2, 3=3 |
| 23:06.22 | Shirik | whee |
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| 23:07.11 | cbreak | you can put tables into other tables like any other value |
| 23:07.27 | cbreak | maybe you can put a table into itself. you should be able to. |
| 23:07.35 | Shirik | s/any other value/any other value except nil/ |
| 23:07.39 | cbreak | might not be useful. |
| 23:07.47 | Kirov | You can put a table in to a table. |
| 23:07.57 | Rabbitbunny | Yeah, I have that in the example code. |
| 23:07.59 | Kirov | It's not very useful, and the saved variables code won't save it, but you can |
| 23:08.02 | cbreak | I would not consider nil a value :) |
| 23:08.10 | Shirik | nil is very much a value |
| 23:08.21 | Rabbitbunny | Kirov: What? I need this saved. Forever. |
| 23:08.23 | Shirik | that is an important thing to keep in mind, and a common fault in people newer to lua :P |
| 23:08.38 | cbreak | hmm... right. |
| 23:08.40 | Shirik | It is merely a value that is "different in type and value than any other value" |
| 23:08.45 | Xinhuan | "v" will never be nil though, in a for-loop |
| 23:08.47 | Shirik | The reason this is important is because: |
| 23:08.48 | Kirov | Rabbitbunny - sorry, nested tables work fine, but a table holding itself doesn't. |
| 23:08.52 | Xinhuan | since it won't iterate over non-existant values |
| 23:09.08 | Kirov | local t = {} t[t] = t |
| 23:09.08 | Rabbitbunny | kirov: Whew. Scared me. |
| 23:09.10 | Xinhuan | u mean like t = {} t[t] = t ? |
| 23:09.11 | Kirov | valid, but bad |
| 23:09.14 | Xinhuan | that works ;p |
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| 23:09.23 | Shirik | lua> function nargs(...) return select('#', ...) end print(nargs(nil,nil,nil), nargs()) |
| 23:09.23 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3, 0 |
| 23:09.47 | cbreak | that looks so evil |
| 23:10.34 | Shirik | From the manual: Nil is the type of the value nil, whose main property is to be different from any other value; it usually represents the absence of a useful value. |
| 23:10.47 | hipjipp | can someone explain the "..." argument in lua? still learning bits of this and that when i have the time.. |
| 23:10.50 | Shirik | "the absence of a useful value" does not imply that it is not a value |
| 23:11.01 | Shirik | it's merely not useful :P |
| 23:11.17 | cbreak | ... is a variable argument list |
| 23:11.23 | Shirik | hipjipp: It's called a "vararg" and it can be any number of values |
| 23:11.35 | Xinhuan | ... is a "reserved variable name" that used by Lua to represent a list of arguments |
| 23:11.55 | Xinhuan | it comes at the end of a function declaration to indicate the function accepts a variable number of input args |
| 23:12.24 | Xinhuan | function(a, ...) end <--- in this function, "a" is the first argument, and ... will represent the 2nd onwards |
| 23:12.35 | Xinhuan | so inside the function, you can do something like "local b, c, d = ..." |
| 23:12.40 | Xinhuan | get it? :) |
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| 23:12.53 | Shirik | I still have no idea how to implement that opcode |
| 23:13.10 | cbreak | you want to compile lua? |
| 23:13.22 | hipjipp | Xinhuan: yes, i think so.. thanks for explaining it atleast.. gonna experiment some other time though.. it's quite late.. :P |
| 23:13.22 | Shirik | hm? |
| 23:13.25 | Xinhuan | select() function is used select a specific argument out of a ... |
| 23:13.35 | Shirik | except in the case above ;) |
| 23:13.46 | Xinhuan | for eg, select(2, ...) <-- this will return the 2nd argument onwards in that list |
| 23:13.54 | Xinhuan | i.e shortens the list by 1 argument |
| 23:15.08 | Xinhuan | so you can do something like function blah(...) if select("#", ...) ~= 1 then blah(select(2, ...)) else print(...) end end end |
| 23:15.18 | Shirik | select('#', ...) is a special case of select where it tells you how many arguments follow the "#". For example, select('#', 1,2,3) would return 3 |
| 23:15.46 | Shirik | my function nargs() above merely determines how many arguments were passed to nargs() |
| 23:15.53 | Shirik | thus |
| 23:15.55 | Shirik | lua> function nargs(...) return select('#', ...) end print(nargs(nil,nil,nil), nargs()) |
| 23:15.55 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3, 0 |
| 23:16.20 | Shirik | as you can see, that becomes select('#', nil,nil,nil) and select('#') respectively |
| 23:16.26 | hipjipp | Shirik: 3 and 0? or 3 values with the value 0? |
| 23:16.37 | Shirik | I called nargs twice |
| 23:16.44 | Shirik | nargs(nil,nil,nil) returns 3, nargs() returns 0 |
| 23:16.46 | hipjipp | true |
| 23:16.54 | hipjipp | missed that.. sorry.. :P |
| 23:17.04 | Shirik | :) |
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| 23:18.31 | Rabbitbunny | lau> t = { b = "2" } for key, value in pairs(t) do print(key..value) end t = { a = "2" } for key, value in pairs(t) do print(key..value) end |
| 23:18.37 | hipjipp | btw, when you index something in a fuction like "function(a,b,d) <do stuff> end" you actually make them local into the function or am i waay out on the road here? |
| 23:18.47 | Rabbitbunny | lua> t = { b = "2" } for key, value in pairs(t) do print(key..value) end t = { a = "2" } for key, value in pairs(t) do print(key..value) end |
| 23:18.47 | lua_bot | Rabbitbunny: b2, a2 |
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| 23:19.10 | Rabbitbunny | oh, like that. |
| 23:19.11 | Shirik | yes they are local, hipjipp, if you mean a,b, and d |
| 23:19.32 | Shirik | or, not sure what you mean |
| 23:19.38 | Shirik | do you mean leaving out the function's name? |
| 23:19.56 | Rabbitbunny | lua> t = { b = "2" } for key, value in pairs(t) do print(key..value) end t = { a = "2" } print("hai") for key, value in pairs(t) do print(key..value) end |
| 23:19.57 | lua_bot | Rabbitbunny: b2, hai, a2 |
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| 23:20.11 | Shirik | Rabbitbunny: It may be beneficial to your understanding to use pp() |
| 23:20.22 | Rabbitbunny | Hmm. Whay doesn't the second loop print b2, a2? |
| 23:20.43 | Shirik | lua> x,y = {}, {}; y.bar = "4"; x.foo = y; pp(x) |
| 23:20.43 | lua_bot | Shirik: { ["foo"] = { ["bar"] = "4" } (#2) } (#1) |
| 23:20.53 | Shirik | ignore the (#2) (#1) for now |
| 23:20.54 | hipjipp | shirik: like this (hope it pastes propely); local numberize = function(v) |
| 23:20.54 | hipjipp | if v <= 9999 then return v end |
| 23:20.54 | hipjipp | if v >= 1000000 then |
| 23:20.54 | hipjipp | local value = string.format("%.1fM", v/1000000) |
| 23:20.54 | hipjipp | return value |
| 23:20.54 | hipjipp | elseif v >= 10000 then |
| 23:20.56 | hipjipp | local value = string.format("%.1fk", v/1000) |
| 23:20.58 | hipjipp | return value |
| 23:21.00 | hipjipp | end |
| 23:21.02 | hipjipp | end |
| 23:21.06 | hipjipp | that wasn't supposed to happen. :< |
| 23:21.23 | Xinhuan | the second loop doesn't bring b2 |
| 23:21.30 | cbreak | it's not even indented properly :) |
| 23:21.30 | Xinhuan | because you overwrote the t variable with somethnig else |
| 23:21.31 | Xinhuan | t = { a = "2" } |
| 23:21.43 | Xinhuan | so it looped over that new table instead |
| 23:22.00 | Rabbitbunny | OKay, how do I not overwrite it, but add to the old table? |
| 23:22.01 | Xinhuan | bring --> print |
| 23:22.08 | Xinhuan | you need to use t[b] = 2 |
| 23:22.13 | Xinhuan | you need to use t["b"] = 2 i mean |
| 23:22.37 | laeg | hipjipp: reported. |
| 23:22.47 | Rabbitbunny | lua> t = { b = "2" } for key, value in pairs(t) do print(key..value) end t["a"] = 2 print("hai") for key, value in pairs(t) do print(key..value) end |
| 23:22.48 | lua_bot | Rabbitbunny: b2, hai, a2, b2 |
| 23:22.52 | Rabbitbunny | omg. |
| 23:23.02 | Rabbitbunny | Sweet. |
| 23:23.09 | Xinhuan | to remove a key-value pair from a table, you set the value to nil |
| 23:23.15 | hipjipp | laeg: for accedental spam? i said i'm sorry.. it's not like i meant to do it |
| 23:23.16 | Xinhuan | so t["a"] = nil, would remove the "a" entry |
| 23:24.49 | Rabbitbunny | Okay, So I only expressly define the table on reset, the rest of the time i do t["a"] = , Now... How do I get to the nested tables? |
| 23:25.06 | Xinhuan | t = {} |
| 23:25.12 | Xinhuan | t["a"] = {} <-- second table |
| 23:25.41 | Xinhuan | everytime you use a { } brackets, a new table is always created |
| 23:25.49 | Rabbitbunny | t = { ["bob"] = { ["47"] = 52, ["94"] = 78 } } |
| 23:25.59 | Rabbitbunny | How do you change the value of 47? |
| 23:26.06 | Shirik | you don't really |
| 23:26.16 | Xinhuan | you do t["bob"]["47"] = 100 |
| 23:26.28 | Shirik | oh he didn't mean the key? |
| 23:26.41 | Xinhuan | every table that is created is unique, and occupies a specific memory address, which you can see using tostring() on the table |
| 23:26.53 | Xinhuan | which would print something like "Table:0x98341234" |
| 23:26.58 | Xinhuan | telling you the address of it |
| 23:27.04 | Shirik | If you meant the key, you can do t.bob["47"], t.bob["100"] = nil, t.bob["47"] |
| 23:27.07 | Shirik | but that's it |
| 23:27.12 | Shirik | there isn't any changing of the key |
| 23:27.19 | Rabbitbunny | My other function will output the keys, I don't even know what they'll be. |
| 23:27.26 | Xinhuan | t.bob is the same as t["bob"] by the way |
| 23:27.29 | Xinhuan | just a different way of writing it |
| 23:27.48 | Rabbitbunny | so... t.bob.47 = 100 ? |
| 23:27.55 | Shirik | only works for string indexes without spaces that are alphanumeric and don't start with a number |
| 23:28.03 | Xinhuan | you can't do that on ".47" because it starts with a digit |
| 23:28.10 | laeg | are the eu realms down? |
| 23:28.19 | haste | nope |
| 23:28.24 | Rabbitbunny | Oka,y I suck at naming example variables, But if I didn't That would work eh? |
| 23:28.31 | laeg | can't get paste handshaking |
| 23:28.36 | laeg | and 'breaking news' is blank |
| 23:28.37 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:28.43 | Xinhuan | but otherwise t.bob["47"] would be exactly the same as t["bob"]["47"] |
| 23:28.48 | Shirik | btw, good names for example vars are "foo, bar, baz" in that order |
| 23:28.54 | Xinhuan | note that "47" <-- this is a string |
| 23:29.05 | Xinhuan | do not confuse with t.bob[47] <-- that 47 is a number |
| 23:29.16 | Thunder_Child | ~string |
| 23:29.21 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 23:29.23 | Thunder_Child | ~lart purl |
| 23:29.23 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags thunder_child into court suing for $200 million |
| 23:29.40 | Rabbitbunny | You know, This looks a lot like my notes for Perl's keyed arrays. |
| 23:29.51 | Shirik | Except that perl is ugly |
| 23:30.05 | Xinhuan | basically in a table, t[key] = value, the key can be ANYTHING but a nil value |
| 23:30.11 | Xinhuan | and the value can also be anything but a nil value |
| 23:30.20 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 23:30.22 | Xinhuan | setting a key to nil removes the entry from the table |
| 23:30.28 | Shirik | But suffice to say, Lua is built around tables, so it should be pointed out that, yes there are several different ways to do things, but this is usually because they are used for different reasons |
| 23:30.34 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 23:30.34 | purl | stuffs Shirik into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 23:30.36 | Xinhuan | trying to do something to t[nil] results in a compilation error |
| 23:30.38 | Shirik | the . convention is typically used for objects |
| 23:31.36 | cbreak | : is also used for objects :) |
| 23:31.37 | Shirik | --> return t[nil] |
| 23:31.37 | batbot | Shirik: > Hah, no nil for u! |
| 23:31.44 | Shirik | no error :D |
| 23:31.53 | Shirik | and also it's not a compile error, Xinhuan, it's a runtime error :) |
| 23:31.57 | Xinhuan | ok, reading t[nil] gives nil ;p |
| 23:32.03 | Xinhuan | writing to t[nil] gives an index is nil error |
| 23:32.04 | Shirik | not always |
| 23:32.10 | Shirik | --> z = {}; return z[nil] |
| 23:32.10 | batbot | Shirik: > nil |
| 23:32.17 | Shirik | eh, wait that's not supposed to happen |
| 23:32.28 | Xinhuan | believe me, reading a t[nil] gives nil ;p |
| 23:32.31 | Shirik | ok anyway! |
| 23:32.33 | hipjipp | :P |
| 23:32.35 | Shirik | it's not nil in my example! |
| 23:32.42 | Shirik | but that's because I set __index >.> |
| 23:33.16 | Xinhuan | well don't confuse the newbies :) |
| 23:33.18 | Rabbitbunny | If my head keeps exploding like this, I'm gonna be able to understand Auctioneer source. |
| 23:33.48 | cbreak | you're starting quite high |
| 23:34.24 | Rabbitbunny | ? |
| 23:34.24 | Shirik | Rabbitbunny: Like I said earlier, Lua is built around tables |
| 23:34.29 | Shirik | they can be very complex, and they can be very simple |
| 23:34.34 | Shirik | that's because they do almost everything in Lua |
| 23:34.50 | cbreak | auctioneer is big :) |
| 23:35.20 | Shirik | Every function has a table associated with it. Every string has two. Most userdatas have at least 3 |
| 23:35.38 | Shirik | As you can see, they do a lot |
| 23:35.42 | cbreak | every string has the same table associated with it? |
| 23:35.42 | Kirov | !lua local t = {47 = 47} print( t.47 == t[47] ) |
| 23:35.42 | batbot | Kirov: @ [string "local t = {47 = 47} print( t.47 == t[47] )"]:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 23:35.48 | hipjipp | cbreak: how much memory does auctioneer eat? |
| 23:35.48 | Shirik | true |
| 23:35.54 | Shirik | but it's still there :) |
| 23:36.02 | Kirov | !lua local t = {47 = 47} print( t["47"] == t[47] ) |
| 23:36.02 | batbot | Kirov: @ [string "local t = {47 = 47} print( t["47"] == t[47] )"]:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 23:36.12 | Rabbitbunny | invisible meta tables? invisible bicycle. |
| 23:36.19 | Kirov | (those are intentional fail examples btw) |
| 23:36.25 | Legorol | Kirov: thy shall be bannaged from Lua coding |
| 23:36.27 | cbreak | hipjipp: lots. I think up to 40mb when I scan |
| 23:36.47 | Drundia | Shirik, strings have 2 and userdatas 3? |
| 23:36.50 | Shirik | sure |
| 23:36.58 | Drundia | why so many and for what? |
| 23:37.00 | Legorol | strings 2? O.o |
| 23:37.06 | Legorol | i know about the shared metatable.. |
| 23:37.07 | hipjipp | cbreak: oh shi-... and i thought Carbonite (full) used alot (around 8mb) : O |
| 23:37.11 | Shirik | both have an environment, strings have their metatable, and userdatas have a metatable and an __index table typically |
| 23:37.21 | cbreak | well, most of that is garbage |
| 23:37.33 | Legorol | Shirik: what do you mean by strings having an environment? |
| 23:37.39 | Legorol | I thought only closures do |
| 23:37.41 | Shirik | let me find a real example |
| 23:37.59 | Xinhuan | lua> "hello":len() |
| 23:37.59 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '"hello"' |
| 23:38.05 | Xinhuan | lua> ("hello"):len() |
| 23:38.06 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 5 |
| 23:38.14 | Xinhuan | that's the string metatable at work |
| 23:38.22 | Legorol | yup, that's the one i know about |
| 23:38.27 | Shirik | hm, ok I take it back. Strings don't have an environment :D |
| 23:38.44 | cbreak | what's the environment good for? |
| 23:38.54 | cbreak | storing _G? |
| 23:38.56 | Legorol | I may not be too precise here, it's either functions or closures, dont' remember which way around, but only one of those can have envs |
| 23:39.02 | Drundia | lua> getmetatable("") == string |
| 23:39.02 | lua_bot | Drundia: false |
| 23:39.03 | Shirik | however, they do have a metatable and an __index table! |
| 23:39.11 | Drundia | why false? it should be true! |
| 23:39.18 | Shirik | no :P |
| 23:39.28 | Shirik | because getmetatable("").__index should be true |
| 23:39.32 | Shirik | I'm not sure if it is though |
| 23:39.35 | Legorol | Shirik: what do you mean by strings having an __index table? |
| 23:39.35 | Drundia | oh, right |
| 23:39.37 | Drundia | i fail again |
| 23:39.37 | Shirik | lua> getmetatable("").__index = string |
| 23:39.38 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 23:39.39 | Thunder_Child | crazy canadians http://www.rlslog.net/man-decapitates-passenger-aboard-greyhound-bus-in-manitoba/ |
| 23:39.42 | Shirik | lua> getmetatable("").__index == string |
| 23:39.42 | lua_bot | Shirik: false |
| 23:39.44 | Drundia | lua> getmetatable("").__index == string |
| 23:39.44 | lua_bot | Drundia: false |
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| 23:39.47 | Shirik | They might be slightly different |
| 23:39.54 | Legorol | lua> print(getmetatable("").__index) |
| 23:39.54 | lua_bot | Legorol: nil |
| 23:39.58 | Drundia | well, in wow it is |
| 23:39.59 | Shirik | Legorol: getmetatable("") is a table, and getmetatable("").__index is a table |
| 23:40.04 | Tem | Anyone got a character with enchanting and in beta? |
| 23:40.08 | Shirik | Drundia: I remember now, clad|sleep has __metatable set |
| 23:40.15 | Drundia | yes, most likely that |
| 23:40.18 | Xinhuan | lua> tostring(getmetatable("")) |
| 23:40.18 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: table: 0x67f560 |
| 23:40.23 | Legorol | Shirik: sure, but that means that strings have *one* table, a metatable, which has an __index entry that is a table |
| 23:40.24 | Drundia | he hides real metatables from us |
| 23:40.26 | Shirik | getmetatable("") is empty |
| 23:40.28 | Tuller | lua> for i in pairs(getmetatable('').__index) do print i end |
| 23:40.28 | lua_bot | Tuller: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'i' |
| 23:40.31 | Tuller | yeah! |
| 23:40.33 | Shirik | Legorol: semantics :P |
| 23:40.39 | Legorol | nope, it's not |
| 23:40.54 | Legorol | oh well, hairsplitting at least |
| 23:40.56 | Xinhuan | lua> for k, v in pairs(getmetatable("")) do print(k) end |
| 23:40.56 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: No output |
| 23:40.59 | Lunessa | Tem: Yo. |
| 23:40.59 | Xinhuan | aww |
| 23:41.06 | Shirik | For the record, I never said it has two after I admitted the fault about not having an environment |
| 23:41.13 | Shirik | However I would tend to argue that's still "having" two tables |
| 23:41.27 | Shirik | just that it has a table that contains a table |
| 23:41.30 | Tem | Lunessa, can you log into your enchanter and see what frame is open when you're looking at your enchanting stuff |
| 23:41.35 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, admid nothing, deny everything |
| 23:41.38 | Thunder_Child | admit* |
| 23:41.42 | Tem | (tradeskillframe or craftframe is what I'm after) |
| 23:41.45 | Legorol | <Shirik> however, they do have a metatable and an __index table! |
| 23:41.51 | Legorol | implies that strings have an __index table |
| 23:41.53 | Lunessa | Mmmm....Hang on.... |
| 23:41.56 | Legorol | that statement doesn't make sense imo |
| 23:42.00 | Shirik | ok, I fail at english :P |
| 23:42.09 | Legorol | no, i'm just particularly anal tonight |
| 23:42.13 | Shirik | I only had to take one course in it in college |
| 23:42.16 | Shirik | the other I got out of :D |
| 23:42.18 | Thunder_Child | ~anal Legorol |
| 23:42.20 | Drundia | all strings have 2 tables, but share them |
| 23:42.21 | Legorol | anyone with common sense/reasonable english will have understood what you meant |
| 23:42.25 | Thunder_Child | again purl, again |
| 23:42.42 | Shirik | Legorol: add in "and understands Lua" and I'll agree :P |
| 23:42.45 | cbreak | the docs say that the "string" library sets string metatables |
| 23:42.54 | Legorol | Shirik: now you are being anal :P |
| 23:42.54 | cbreak | and it sets __index to string |
| 23:42.57 | Shirik | :D |
| 23:43.00 | Shirik | <3 Legorol |
| 23:43.07 | Legorol | <3 |
| 23:43.10 | Drundia | but i think c code can change it to anything too |
| 23:43.12 | Shirik | cbreak: Like I pointed out earlier, clad|sleep has __metatable set |
| 23:43.15 | Shirik | with good reason |
| 23:43.23 | Shirik | breaking into the string metatable can cause all sorts of bad |
| 23:43.36 | Legorol | lua> print(tostring(getmetatable("").__index)) |
| 23:43.37 | lua_bot | Legorol: nil |
| 23:43.46 | Legorol | lua> print(tostring(getmetatable("foobarbaz").__index)) |
| 23:43.47 | lua_bot | Legorol: nil |
| 23:44.04 | Shirik | lua> for k,v in pairs(getmetatable("")) do print(k) end |
| 23:44.04 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 23:44.07 | Shirik | confused yet? :) |
| 23:44.16 | Lunessa | Tem: TradeSkillFrame |
| 23:44.17 | Legorol | ok, i got it |
| 23:44.23 | Tem | Lunessa, woot! |
| 23:44.32 | Legorol | lua> print(tostring(rawget(getmetatable(""),"__index"))) |
| 23:44.33 | lua_bot | Legorol: nil |
| 23:44.37 | cbreak | lua> print(type(getmetatable("")) |
| 23:44.37 | lua_bot | cbreak: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 23:44.37 | Tem | TradeTabs gets smaller |
| 23:44.38 | Lunessa | :D |
| 23:44.41 | Shirik | lua> for k,v in pairs(getmetatable(getmetatable(""))) do print(k) end |
| 23:44.41 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil) |
| 23:44.47 | cbreak | lua> print(type(getmetatable(""))) |
| 23:44.48 | lua_bot | cbreak: table |
| 23:44.49 | Shirik | now what :D |
| 23:45.01 | Lunessa | I checked twice, because I didn't believe it. |
| 23:45.05 | Shirik | Obviously the above is illogical |
| 23:45.08 | Legorol | Shirik: something's wrong idd |
| 23:45.10 | Shirik | without __metatable being set |
| 23:45.18 | Tuller | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.19 | Legorol | seems like it is set |
| 23:45.40 | Shirik | batbot's is more obvious |
| 23:45.43 | cbreak | lua> print(type(getmetatable("")[__index])) |
| 23:45.43 | Shirik | lua> return getmetatable("") |
| 23:45.43 | lua_bot | cbreak: nil |
| 23:45.43 | lua_bot | Shirik: table: 0x67f560 |
| 23:45.45 | Shirik | er |
| 23:45.48 | Shirik | --> return getmetatable("") |
| 23:45.48 | batbot | Shirik: > leave this alone |
| 23:45.56 | Legorol | lolwut? |
| 23:46.09 | Drundia | --> return getmetatable("").__index |
| 23:46.09 | batbot | Drundia: > nil |
| 23:46.17 | Legorol | Drundia: we tried that already |
| 23:46.18 | Shirik | --> return string.format("%q", getmetatable("")) |
| 23:46.18 | batbot | Shirik: > "leave this alone" |
| 23:46.32 | Legorol | what does %q do? |
| 23:46.45 | Drundia | --> return type(getmetatable"") |
| 23:46.45 | batbot | Drundia: > string |
| 23:46.46 | Shirik | turns it into a quoted string safe for reading into a Lua interpreter |
| 23:47.04 | Legorol | k |
| 23:47.19 | cbreak | lua> ("a"):byte(1) |
| 23:47.20 | lua_bot | cbreak: 97 |
| 23:47.27 | Shirik | lua> return string.format("%q", '"'.."\0\n") |
| 23:47.27 | lua_bot | Shirik: "\"\000\" |
| 23:47.29 | Legorol | so on batbot string's metatab has __metatable |
| 23:47.43 | Shirik | uh |
| 23:47.47 | Legorol | that looks borked |
| 23:47.49 | Shirik | I think lua_bot stripped out a newline in there |
| 23:47.50 | Drundia | yes, which is equal to "leave this alone" |
| 23:47.57 | Shirik | aside from that |
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| 23:48.03 | Shirik | after the last \ is a newline :P |
| 23:48.07 | Legorol | yeah |
| 23:48.18 | Legorol | and another " |
| 23:48.29 | Drundia | no, i think no another " |
| 23:48.38 | Legorol | there is a closing " after the \n |
| 23:48.44 | Legorol | which isn't printed by lua_bot |
| 23:49.00 | Drundia | no, it's missing only newline |
| 23:49.01 | Legorol | lua> "hello" |
| 23:49.01 | lua_bot | Legorol: hello |
| 23:49.10 | Legorol | lua> "hello\n" |
| 23:49.10 | lua_bot | Legorol: hello |
| 23:49.16 | Legorol | lua> "hello\nworld" |
| 23:49.16 | lua_bot | Legorol: helloworld |
| 23:49.20 | Legorol | hmz |
| 23:49.41 | Legorol | lua> return string.format("%q","hello\nworld") |
| 23:49.41 | lua_bot | Legorol: "hello\world" |
| 23:49.49 | Legorol | O.o |
| 23:49.53 | Shirik | but yeah, I use %q in Arrowmaster's code, for example, when I needed to safely take a string and make it into Lua code |
| 23:50.04 | Shirik | Legorol: It's because Lua is putting the \ and then a newline character |
| 23:50.09 | Shirik | which is legal, except that lua_bot strips it |
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| 23:50.15 | Shirik | while leaving in the \ |
| 23:50.29 | Legorol | but what i don't get is this |
| 23:50.36 | Legorol | lua> return string.format("%q", '"'.."\0\nhello") |
| 23:50.36 | lua_bot | Legorol: "\"\000\hello" |
| 23:50.45 | Legorol | note the closing " after the o |
| 23:50.52 | Legorol | oooooh |
| 23:50.52 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:50.54 | Legorol | i finally got it |
| 23:50.55 | Shirik | because it put quotes around it |
| 23:50.56 | Legorol | ok nvm |
| 23:51.14 | Legorol | no i was missing that final " previously |
| 23:51.16 | Legorol | but it was always there |
| 23:57.42 | hipjipp | hm.. i've been thinking about the special __MACOSX lua code.. what is the difference between that and regular lua? if anyone knows ofc |
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