| 00:00.18 | Thunder_Child | hm... i need to fix that up |
| 00:00.57 | Seerah | that could be better, probably, yes |
| 00:01.08 | mikma | Thunder_Child: http://youtube.com/watch?v=szaGJVu61jo |
| 00:03.37 | Thunder_Child | ~scream mikma |
| 00:03.37 | purl | ACTION screams at mikma like a Drill Instructor, insultingly describing every part of mikma's parentage with scatological comments thrown in for good measure. |
| 00:03.40 | Thunder_Child | a bit better |
| 00:04.05 | mikma | drill instructor sounds so perv |
| 00:04.24 | Thunder_Child | a DI is perverted? |
| 00:05.17 | mikma | atleast it sounds like it |
| 00:05.24 | Thunder_Child | and that music video makes no sense |
| 00:05.35 | mikma | no it doesnt |
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| 00:21.25 | batrick | WOW |
| 00:21.28 | batrick | look at that necro |
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| 00:25.46 | Fisker- | hawt indeed |
| 00:29.44 | Xinhuan | wow only plays .mp3 and .wav right? no .mid or anything else? :( |
| 00:30.08 | foxlit | actually, wow plays anything fmod plays, I think |
| 00:30.22 | foxlit | Try it, really :) |
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| 00:31.21 | Xinhuan | do you know for sure anything else it plays? lol |
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| 00:32.56 | foxlit | No |
| 00:33.13 | foxlit | I do know that at one point it went out of it's way to request the files through HTTP, but that's an entirely different story |
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| 00:37.13 | Recompense | Afternoon everyone, if anyone's got a minute I've got a quick snippet of code that's got me stumped |
| 00:39.09 | Recompense | Code's at http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92593 , I thought I declared everything right but the highlighted line keeps giving me an error saying that the field doesn't exist (nil value) |
| 00:40.44 | foxlit | GetContainerNumSlots(4) -- unknown at the time the call is made |
| 00:41.05 | foxlit | But as to your error |
| 00:41.35 | Recompense | Ah, yes, of course, it can't populate the table then |
| 00:41.38 | foxlit | The only thing that can cause that is if you're attempting to a table value that's not declared -- i.e. nil |
| 00:42.01 | foxlit | the only way you're not getting anything in SoulShardData is if the for loop doesn't run at all |
| 00:42.02 | Recompense | It would be, because the table doesn't get filled with subtables for inventory slots |
| 00:42.23 | Recompense | I'm looking at SoulShardData[1].shard which doesn't exist if the for loop didn't run |
| 00:42.29 | foxlit | The for loop doesn't run if soulbagsize < 1, ergo, GetContainerNumSlots(4) must return < 1 when you call it :) |
| 00:42.46 | Recompense | Which it must do because the environment hasn't loaded yet |
| 00:43.20 | Recompense | OK thanks foxlit |
| 00:43.51 | foxlit | Point is: don't get stumped; walk through your code and see what actually errors :) |
| 00:44.39 | Recompense | Thanks a bunch, I'm still learning by doing |
| 00:56.55 | laeg | i wonder what the best racial for deathknight will be |
| 01:00.06 | p3lim | Cairenn|afk: ping |
| 01:00.14 | Cairenn|afk | p3lim: pong |
| 01:00.24 | Cairenn|afk | caught me just before I went out the door for a bit ... what's up? |
| 01:28.05 | p3lim | which is the best way of hooking?: http://pastey.net/92594 |
| 01:28.33 | Shirik | the first is more organized but slower |
| 01:28.37 | ckknight | both are viable. |
| 01:28.41 | Shirik | the second is very typical |
| 01:29.08 | Shirik | however |
| 01:29.18 | Shirik | in both cases, you should do "return <old>" instead of just calling the old function |
| 01:29.33 | Shirik | even if it currently returns nothing, doing this will ensure compatibility in the future and results in a tailcall instead of a normal call |
| 01:30.53 | p3lim | i have to choose one of the functions |
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| 01:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | [1. General] [Mudkip] I heard you like Mudkip |
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| 01:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah the wonders of general chat |
| 01:32.38 | Recompense | I need to initialize an addon by creating a table whose size depends on the size of the players' bags - when is the best place to do this in the code, given that it won't be able to do it when the code loads and runs? |
| 01:32.41 | p3lim | which one? |
| 01:33.04 | Sixen | Hai |
| 01:33.10 | Drundia | PL or PEW maybe? |
| 01:33.51 | Recompense | I tried PEW, didn't work |
| 01:34.03 | p3lim | Shirik: you mean adding 'return' before the rest in line 15? |
| 01:34.13 | Recompense | Does PL fire last of all the "startup" events? |
| 01:34.55 | Shirik | and 7, yes p3lim |
| 01:35.44 | p3lim | ok |
| 01:35.49 | Drundia | no, there is PLAYER_ALIVE/PLAYER_DEAD/PLAYER_GHOST that should fire after |
| 01:37.29 | Recompense | PL still isn't late enough apparently |
| 01:37.52 | Recompense | Maybe the question's better with pasted code, hang on... |
| 01:37.55 | Corrodias | there is a page on wowwiki that details the order of events when loading |
| 01:38.56 | Corrodias | if i can find it... |
| 01:39.21 | Corrodias | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process |
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| 01:40.03 | Drundia | well, PEW is after PL, and as it says talents aren't available until PLAYER_ALIVE |
| 01:40.27 | Recompense | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92596-rogy here's the code |
| 01:40.32 | Drundia | though i believe P_DEAD and P_GHOST should fire instead of P_ALIVE in respective situations |
| 01:40.47 | Corrodias | possibly |
| 01:41.20 | Recompense | It seems like I'm missing something - that conditional should be able to be easily called |
| 01:41.54 | Recompense | I put it in my OnEvent handler before any of the event check conditions so it should have run on any event of interest, but it never did |
| 01:41.58 | Drundia | you need your frame and register it for certain events and attach a handler |
| 01:42.16 | Recompense | Yeah I've got that |
| 01:42.29 | Drundia | try P_ALIVE/DEAD/GHOST |
| 01:42.36 | Recompense | I just pared it down for the bits of interest, want the full code? (It's not clean yet) |
| 01:42.38 | Recompense | OK |
| 01:42.39 | Drundia | then try some inventory update |
| 01:42.56 | Recompense | OH |
| 01:43.04 | Recompense | Bag_Update fires on load for some reason |
| 01:43.41 | Recompense | Let's see if that works |
| 01:43.57 | Drundia | i think there should be more than 6 events firing during loading process.... or is it really all? |
| 01:44.13 | Cralor` | hello. can anyone help me figure out the problem here? (http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92595) i am receiving no errors =/ |
| 01:44.26 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92595 * |
| 01:45.14 | Recompense | What's the problem if there are no errors? ;) |
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| 01:47.11 | DARKGuy | o/ |
| 01:49.59 | Cralor` | Recompense: code can be wrong even with no errors ;) |
| 01:50.14 | Recompense | Hahah I know, I'm asking what you're expecting that it's not doing |
| 01:50.26 | Cralor` | i am setting up a config |
| 01:50.44 | Cralor` | i'd like to use CheckBox to do different things |
| 01:51.25 | Cralor` | currently, nothing happens with the checkboxes |
| 01:52.24 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92597 - this is the full entirety of my config |
| 01:52.56 | Xinhuan | cLayout_OnClick() is not called from anywhere in your code |
| 01:53.10 | Xinhuan | or referenced anywhere either |
| 01:55.02 | Cralor` | i'm kind of confused. =/ |
| 01:55.08 | Cralor` | well, i am ;) |
| 01:55.15 | Xinhuan | you created a function |
| 01:55.20 | Cralor` | i know |
| 01:55.20 | Xinhuan | but so far, nothing uses that function |
| 01:55.29 | Cralor` | and ur saying i have set up that function, right? |
| 01:55.31 | Xinhuan | so that function is just dead code |
| 01:56.19 | Xinhuan | its like "i have a cup of water", but without telling your dog to actually drink it, the cup of tea is just there.. wasting space in the room |
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| 01:56.54 | Xinhuan | so what i mean is, you have that function defined, but nothing is using/calling/referencing that function |
| 01:56.57 | Cralor` | i understand |
| 01:57.12 | Xinhuan | so its as good as the function not being there at all |
| 01:58.01 | Xinhuan | you need to assign that onclick function to some button's OnClick script event |
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| 01:58.18 | Cralor` | well see, i don't have an XML |
| 01:58.28 | Cralor` | i used Lua to make my CheckBoxes |
| 01:58.52 | Cralor` | nvm ... |
| 01:58.55 | Xinhuan | somecheckbox:SetScript("OnClick", cLayout_OnClick) |
| 01:59.10 | Cralor` | yea -_- |
| 01:59.36 | Cralor` | as u can understand, i'm a novice programmer ;p |
| 02:00.34 | Xinhuan | note that the onclick function of a widget passes in 3 arguments by default |
| 02:00.44 | Xinhuan | onclick(widget, button, down) |
| 02:00.54 | Xinhuan | the first argument is the widget itself.. the checkbox in this case |
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| 02:01.08 | Xinhuan | button is a string, usuall "LeftButton" |
| 02:01.13 | Xinhuan | usually |
| 02:01.25 | Xinhuan | but can be "RightButton", Mouse3, Mouse4 or Mouse5 |
| 02:01.43 | Xinhuan | and down is just a boolean true/false saying if its a downclick or an upclick (releasing mouse button) |
| 02:02.04 | Xinhuan | a button, by default is only registered for LeftButton, and downclicks |
| 02:02.31 | Xinhuan | so if you need any other combination, you'll have to :RegisterForClicks() or something, go look it up |
| 02:03.23 | Cralor` | yea i just read it |
| 02:04.10 | Cralor` | currently i have my checkboxes below my OnClick function. should i just move it above it? (because right now i cant call the checkbox if it isn't made yet) |
| 02:04.22 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 02:04.27 | Cralor` | ok :p |
| 02:04.42 | Xinhuan | alternatively, define your function IN the setscript itself |
| 02:05.03 | Xinhuan | i.e checkbox:SetScript("OnClick", function(self, button, down) dostuff() end) |
| 02:05.09 | Xinhuan | then you won't even have to name it |
| 02:05.16 | Cralor` | FRAME:SetScript("OnEnter", function() *name* end) ? |
| 02:05.24 | Cralor` | yea :D |
| 02:05.43 | Drundia | aren't they actually registered for upclicks? |
| 02:06.07 | Cralor` | but i have tons of stuff that OnClick will do. would they way be possible with more than one line ? |
| 02:06.18 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 02:06.19 | Cralor` | that |
| 02:06.28 | Xinhuan | just space the whole thing out over as many lines as you want |
| 02:06.36 | Xinhuan | checkbox:SetScript("OnClick", function(self, button, down) |
| 02:06.37 | Xinhuan | blah |
| 02:06.39 | Xinhuan | end) |
| 02:06.45 | Cralor` | hehe ok thanks |
| 02:06.59 | Xinhuan | newlines are irrelevant to lua |
| 02:07.40 | Xinhuan | naming a function is useful if you intend to use the same script function for several widgets |
| 02:08.12 | Cralor` | i have 2 checkboxes. that make a difference? |
| 02:08.23 | Xinhuan | for example |
| 02:09.07 | Xinhuan | local myfunction(self) GameTooltip:Clear() GameTooltip:AddLine(self.tooltiptext) GameTooltip:Show() end |
| 02:09.16 | Xinhuan | then you can assign that |
| 02:09.20 | DARKGuy | Hm, is there any addon that will show me the zone levels in the world map, cartographer-style ? |
| 02:09.26 | Xinhuan | checkbox:SetScript("OnEnter", myfunction) |
| 02:09.31 | Xinhuan | checkbox2:SetScript("OnEnter", myfunction) |
| 02:09.36 | selckin | DARKGuy: carto will |
| 02:09.45 | Xinhuan | and if you have appropriately defined checkbox.tooltiptext and checkbox2.tooltiptext |
| 02:09.47 | DARKGuy | selckin: I know, but I'm looking for something different :P |
| 02:09.52 | Xinhuan | then that one function would just work |
| 02:09.56 | Xinhuan | over all your checkboxes |
| 02:10.32 | Xinhuan | of course you need a bit more than that to show a tooltip |
| 02:10.43 | Xinhuan | you need to also :SetOwner() and :SetPoint() |
| 02:10.50 | Xinhuan | and an OnLeave to hide it |
| 02:11.01 | Cralor` | well i dont need tooltip :D |
| 02:11.55 | Cralor` | function(self, button, down) - do i need to have that stuff inside the ()? |
| 02:12.06 | Xinhuan | yes those are just function arguments |
| 02:12.23 | Cralor` | even if you won't use them? |
| 02:12.28 | Xinhuan | u can name them (a, b, c) if you want, it just makes more sense with better variable names |
| 02:13.02 | Cralor` | oh. so it could be anything i want. it's just a "local" name for an argument? |
| 02:13.06 | Xinhuan | yeah |
| 02:13.12 | Cralor` | i see |
| 02:13.14 | Xinhuan | works just like any other function |
| 02:13.25 | Xinhuan | function square(a) return a*a end |
| 02:15.12 | Xinhuan | in this case, blizzard themselves named those variables that way, according to their wow API ;p |
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| 02:16.20 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92598 - would work? |
| 02:16.33 | Cralor` | oops with a ) at the end |
| 02:16.40 | Xinhuan | probably |
| 02:17.55 | Xinhuan | if you are making a minimap addon (that is capable of changing the shape to anything that isn't the default ROUND) |
| 02:18.15 | Xinhuan | note that by wow author convention, such minimap addons must define and provide a global GetMinimapShape() function |
| 02:18.30 | Xinhuan | that returns one of 15 strings that says what the shape is |
| 02:18.55 | Xinhuan | this is primarily for other addons that mess with the minimap to know what its shape is.. such as Gatherer, GatherMate, addons that throw buttons on the minimap border, etc |
| 02:19.32 | Cralor` | i believe i have that implemented |
| 02:19.47 | Xinhuan | just make sure it works ;p |
| 02:19.47 | Cralor` | i just put in minimapShape = "SQUARE" to make it square. is that what you are talking about? |
| 02:20.09 | Xinhuan | no, i'm talking about a function GetMinimapShape() that returns a string |
| 02:20.26 | Xinhuan | a minimap addon should universally provide it |
| 02:20.34 | Xinhuan | if it is capable of changing its shape |
| 02:20.39 | Xinhuan | google it up on wowwiki |
| 02:20.39 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92599 |
| 02:20.52 | Cralor` | that's what i have |
| 02:21.05 | Xinhuan | yep, that works |
| 02:21.07 | Cralor` | and i have the minimapShape = "SHAPE" inside my functions |
| 02:21.10 | Cralor` | ok ;) |
| 02:21.46 | Cralor` | OnLoad works by itself, right? |
| 02:21.57 | Xinhuan | OnLoad only works in XML |
| 02:22.06 | Cralor` | =/ |
| 02:22.23 | Xinhuan | because by definition, when you CreateFrame() the thing, and the code goes on to execute the next line |
| 02:22.23 | Cralor` | so how would i have my config options load up on addon start? |
| 02:22.26 | Xinhuan | it already finished loading |
| 02:22.38 | Xinhuan | just run the damn code directly |
| 02:22.38 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 02:22.43 | Xinhuan | after the CreateFrame() |
| 02:22.46 | Xinhuan | i.e outside of a function |
| 02:23.20 | Industrial | ah nostalgy |
| 02:23.41 | Cralor` | so if i the createframe BEFORE OnLoad it will work? or i will not need the OnLoad?? <-- confused |
| 02:23.55 | Industrial | onload doesnt exist for lua files. |
| 02:24.01 | Cralor` | i understand that now |
| 02:24.03 | Industrial | lua file gets loaded, it reads code. thats load. |
| 02:24.10 | Cralor` | ok |
| 02:24.20 | Cralor` | so it will automagically know what options the user has set? |
| 02:24.26 | Cralor` | with the SV? |
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| 02:24.34 | Xinhuan | no |
| 02:24.38 | Xinhuan | you have to code it in |
| 02:24.40 | p3lim | http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=7&day=28&year=2008&hour=12am&min=0&sec=0&p0=77 |
| 02:24.41 | Industrial | not automatically, you have to code thatup, but do it in the lua file.. |
| 02:24.52 | p3lim | will the beta keys be given out in 1 hour? :S |
| 02:25.04 | p3lim | 1,5 hour* |
| 02:25.05 | Xinhuan | after your SV file has loaded (there is an event, ADDON_LOADED with the first argument in the event == to your addon name) |
| 02:25.05 | Industrial | no, they will be sent to blizz |
| 02:25.08 | Xinhuan | do it in there |
| 02:25.13 | p3lim | ah the list? |
| 02:25.26 | Xinhuan | or you can do it in VARIABLES_LOADED event, which fires after all addons have loaded |
| 02:25.33 | Industrial | p3lim: again I'm going to tell you to read before asking. |
| 02:25.39 | Cralor` | Xinhuan: i have the SV set up |
| 02:25.40 | p3lim | lol |
| 02:26.04 | Cralor` | Xinhuan: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92597 |
| 02:26.15 | p3lim | is the keys given out randomly to anyone on that list? or do they get the names too? |
| 02:26.22 | Xinhuan | your checkbox isn't going to know whether the option is selected or not |
| 02:26.33 | Cralor` | p3lim: everyone signed up at this point will be sent in |
| 02:26.44 | Xinhuan | you are the one that needs to tell the checkbox whether it starts out selected or not ;p |
| 02:26.47 | p3lim | yeah i understand that |
| 02:26.59 | Cralor` | Xinhuan: i have already coded the defaults |
| 02:27.08 | Xinhuan | clearly i'm not talking about the defaults |
| 02:27.21 | Cralor` | =( |
| 02:27.22 | Industrial | Cralor`: a pastebin would help at this point. |
| 02:27.28 | Xinhuan | say a user turned off an option that was on by default, your checkbox also needs to reflect that when its shown |
| 02:27.34 | Cralor` | Industrial: ^ |
| 02:27.46 | Industrial | er |
| 02:27.49 | Industrial | <- blind |
| 02:27.54 | Cralor` | =P |
| 02:28.19 | Cralor` | but i have changed the OnClick function since that upload |
| 02:28.20 | p3lim | anyone know how many have signed up for the beta contest tho? |
| 02:28.42 | Xinhuan | i think only Cairenn knows that one ;p |
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| 02:28.51 | starlon | contest? |
| 02:28.53 | p3lim | i guess alot, I signed up not too long after it was announced and im number 110 in the list :P |
| 02:29.23 | Industrial | ha, been there |
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| 02:29.57 | Xuerian | blizz ---really--- needs to impliment print() |
| 02:29.58 | Industrial | Xinhuan: wtb a graphical tree one :D |
| 02:30.18 | Shirik | Xuerian, how hard is it.. |
| 02:30.19 | Xinhuan | or just find what /dump is binded to |
| 02:30.22 | Xinhuan | and call that function |
| 02:30.26 | Xinhuan | in ace2 |
| 02:30.27 | Xuerian | bah |
| 02:30.29 | Industrial | DevTools_Dump() |
| 02:30.31 | Xuerian | I am too stubborn |
| 02:30.33 | Industrial | oh :3 |
| 02:30.38 | Xinhuan | yeah or that, if you have DevTools installed |
| 02:30.45 | Shirik | function print(...) for x = 1, select('#', ...) do DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage((select(x, ...))) end end |
| 02:30.48 | Shirik | all done |
| 02:30.48 | Xuerian | (Also,I forgot devtools...) |
| 02:31.02 | Xinhuan | (never do recursive table prints, unless you have a blacklist of tables not to recurse thru) |
| 02:31.18 | Industrial | Shirik: recursive, limit, types, global var names, etc. |
| 02:31.21 | Xuerian | Xinhuan: I'm not printing _G >_> |
| 02:31.26 | Xinhuan | t = {} t[1] = t |
| 02:31.30 | Xinhuan | that will kill yourself :) |
| 02:31.37 | Shirik | no it won't |
| 02:31.43 | Shirik | not with my code nor devtools |
| 02:31.47 | bleeter | anyone got some Procaine laying around they don't need? will accept DCC tx's |
| 02:32.01 | Xuerian | Xinhuan: I don't mean self-referencing tables, and I don't do that in the first place |
| 02:32.08 | Xinhuan | your function isn't recursive Shirik :) |
| 02:32.08 | Xuerian | If I did, I'd deserve the infinite loop |
| 02:32.17 | Industrial | eh? |
| 02:32.19 | Shirik | my function is exactly what Lua's print() would do :P |
| 02:32.20 | Industrial | oh theres 2 |
| 02:32.24 | Industrial | Xinhuan, Xuerian |
| 02:32.26 | Industrial | lmao |
| 02:32.27 | Shirik | I probably should have called tostring() |
| 02:32.29 | Shirik | but other than that |
| 02:32.40 | Industrial | I'm thinking; This guy is talking to himself! |
| 02:32.52 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 02:32.56 | Xuerian | Shirik: You're right, I meant like DevTools_Dump() and AceConsole:PrintLiteral() |
| 02:33.18 | Shirik | but yeah, devtools correctly handles t = {}; t[1] = t; /dump t |
| 02:33.23 | Drundia | proper table element by element functions should store tables they already dealt with and not deal with them again |
| 02:33.29 | Xuerian | (which, screw it, I'm updating devtools >_>) |
| 02:33.30 | Cralor` | Industrial: i thought the same lol |
| 02:33.36 | Industrial | anyway nn |
| 02:33.46 | Shirik | devtools does t = { [1] = t } |
| 02:33.53 | Cralor` | nn? nightnight? |
| 02:33.57 | Xuerian | Look allovayah, I wasn't talking about self-referencing tables |
| 02:34.14 | Shirik | (22:31:00) (Xinhuan) t = {} t[1] = t |
| 02:34.14 | Shirik | (22:31:04) (Xinhuan) that will kill yourself :) |
| 02:34.14 | malreth | sorry... |
| 02:34.15 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:34.20 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:34.22 | malreth | i can't follow this conversation |
| 02:34.22 | Shirik | Too many X's |
| 02:34.30 | Xuerian | Industrial: o/ |
| 02:34.35 | malreth | Xuerian, Xinhuan... one of you has to change your name |
| 02:34.39 | Xinhuan | i was referring to |
| 02:34.39 | Xinhuan | [7/28 10:29:23] * Xuerian stabs himself after trying to write a recursive table-handling print function. |
| 02:34.48 | Xinhuan | not DevTools |
| 02:34.48 | Xuerian | Xinhuan: Recursive, not self referencing |
| 02:34.51 | Xuerian | RECURSIVE >_< |
| 02:35.02 | Xuerian | yes, I corrected myself |
| 02:35.09 | Xinhuan | yes i'm saying a recursive print function will kill itself on a self-referencing table |
| 02:35.15 | foxlit | meh, copy my recursive copy function! :) |
| 02:35.19 | Xinhuan | unless written correctly not to with a blacklist! |
| 02:35.20 | Drundia | i would call it table that contains cross-references |
| 02:35.24 | Xuerian | Xinhuan: And I agreed, but said why thatdoesn't matter |
| 02:35.29 | Cralor` | malreth: you can help me instead :D |
| 02:35.44 | malreth | no... i'm watching two movies |
| 02:35.53 | Cralor` | malreth: =P |
| 02:35.57 | malreth | http://www.hungrymantv.com/shorts.php?vid=tarantinos_mind |
| 02:36.01 | Cralor` | malreth: 2 at the SAME time? |
| 02:36.01 | malreth | WATCH |
| 02:36.09 | malreth | three now |
| 02:36.14 | Xinhuan | malreth, this is my irl name, so i can't change it :) |
| 02:36.45 | Shirik | I think we all need a little http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Y4NTXT96EM |
| 02:36.51 | malreth | malreth isn't my irl name... your argument holds water like a sieve |
| 02:36.56 | malreth | :p |
| 02:37.21 | Xuerian | Xuerian isn't my real name, but I've pondered making it so |
| 02:37.28 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJh7Md5KuWc&fmt=18 |
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| 02:39.30 | Xuerian | wtf. |
| 02:39.31 | malreth | leaked trailer for W. the movie |
| 02:39.31 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 02:39.54 | malreth | it may get removed by the copybots |
| 02:40.53 | malreth | also, you're a terrorist if you watch it |
| 02:41.23 | Shirik | malreth is a terrorist anyway, so this does not affect him |
| 02:42.06 | malreth | how was i to know that trafficking polar bear livers across the border would land me on a watch list? |
| 02:42.14 | Olison | hehe malreth, nice find! |
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| 02:42.57 | Xinhuan | wtb beta key so i can start coding omen3 ;p |
| 02:43.18 | malreth | Xinhuan: you're like a celebrity |
| 02:43.27 | Xinhuan | no not really |
| 02:43.34 | Xinhuan | ckknight is what i call a celebrity ;p |
| 02:43.35 | malreth | i imagine parting with you is like being invited into a vip lounge |
| 02:43.43 | malreth | with bottles of Cristal for all |
| 02:43.48 | ckknight | I'm just a supervillain |
| 02:45.00 | Xinhuan | btw, if i upload an addon on wowi, is it allowed to say in the description if said addon has beta versions on wowace, and ppl can download it there as well (and link to it)? |
| 02:45.46 | malreth | sure |
| 02:45.49 | malreth | people do that all the time |
| 02:46.01 | Cralor` | i wouldn't think you couldn't. |
| 02:46.09 | Xinhuan | cos wowui.worldofwar.net doesn't like that, i.e they delete links to other sites that isn't their own |
| 02:46.11 | malreth | Tekkub links to his git repo |
| 02:46.32 | Xinhuan | they call it advertising or soemthing |
| 02:46.37 | malreth | well, wowui folks are punks |
| 02:47.18 | malreth | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7797-ControlFreak.html |
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| 02:47.25 | malreth | check that out |
| 02:47.50 | malreth | Tek pimps out all sorts of links |
| 02:48.28 | Xinhuan | yeah wowui would delete all those links lol |
| 02:48.32 | DARKGuy | But he doesn't prove a screenshot of his addons :( |
| 02:48.43 | Tekkub | yea and tekkub.net is hosted by wowi :P |
| 02:48.47 | malreth | once, i heard someone had a problem with the links to google code and groups and Tekkub roundhouse kicked him into last week |
| 02:49.04 | DARKGuy | Tekkub is the new Chuck Norris |
| 02:50.14 | malreth | ~chuck norris |
| 02:50.15 | purl | i guess chuck norris is and there is no chin under Chuck Norris' Beard. There is only another fist. |
| 02:50.46 | malreth | purl, your grammar is awful. |
| 02:50.47 | purl | malreth: okay |
| 02:50.55 | malreth | oh no |
| 02:51.03 | Xinhuan | ~your grammar |
| 02:51.03 | purl | well, your grammar is awful. |
| 02:51.08 | Xinhuan | hahaha |
| 02:51.20 | Xinhuan | that was the trigger to record something ;p |
| 02:51.28 | Xinhuan | <text> is <text> |
| 02:52.17 | Nom- | http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot072408223435cp7.jpg <-- my fave ret pally pic ever |
| 02:52.31 | Xinhuan | is that a 20k crit one |
| 02:52.39 | Xinhuan | that gets linked over and over from beta? |
| 02:52.44 | Nom- | nearly 19k |
| 02:53.40 | malreth | Xinhuan: i know |
| 02:54.04 | Xinhuan | wtb blizzard reducing the lvling time from 60-70 |
| 02:54.16 | Xinhuan | my rogue's 66 and i'm in pain from jabbing "2" |
| 02:54.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i think they will be... |
| 02:54.27 | Nom- | 60-70 doesn't take long |
| 02:54.40 | Nom- | I know... i've done it 4 times :P |
| 02:54.43 | Xinhuan | yes it does... about 5 days, 2 lvls per day |
| 02:55.14 | Nom- | My hunter was done 1-70 in 7.5 days /played... that was without even trying to go quick |
| 02:55.26 | Nom- | somehow I think 1-60 took more than 2.5 days |
| 02:55.54 | Xinhuan | i was talking about real days |
| 02:55.56 | Xinhuan | not /played days |
| 02:56.13 | Tekkub | I have like, a year /played :P |
| 02:56.24 | Tekkub | damn addon dev |
| 02:56.32 | Xinhuan | my mage has 660 days /played |
| 02:56.46 | Xinhuan | i have not found anyone with a higher /played yet.. on a single character |
| 02:57.07 | Tekkub | BTmScanner? |
| 02:57.21 | Xinhuan | nah, i just don't have alts |
| 02:57.25 | Xinhuan | and code a lot |
| 02:57.32 | Xinhuan | and control the entire server's enchant/gem market |
| 02:58.41 | Tekkub | both fractions? you go gurl |
| 02:58.45 | Nom- | Those 20k crits are just nuts... 6k mana back! |
| 02:58.55 | Xinhuan | no just alliance side ;p |
| 02:58.58 | Nom- | Nice for anyone who needs to grind before they nerf it |
| 02:59.06 | DARKGuy | Damn, I'm confused |
| 02:59.13 | DARKGuy | is Xinhuan a he or a she? is Tekkub a he or a she? |
| 02:59.26 | Seerah | heh |
| 02:59.26 | Slix | They are coders. |
| 02:59.28 | Xinhuan | tekkub likes dick, you figure :) |
| 02:59.41 | DARKGuy | :3 |
| 02:59.44 | Seerah | and bacon |
| 02:59.59 | Tekkub | everything is better wrapped in bacon |
| 03:00.17 | Xinhuan | dick in bacon hmmm |
| 03:00.55 | malreth | ~gender Tekkub |
| 03:00.56 | purl | I heard Tekkub is sexless. |
| 03:01.00 | DARKGuy | :o |
| 03:01.04 | malreth | there you go |
| 03:01.15 | malreth | Tekkub is a Treasure Troll |
| 03:01.21 | malreth | only fuzzier |
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| 03:03.51 | p3lim | Dolby: ping |
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| 03:14.29 | jonjon | hello |
| 03:15.26 | Legorol | Hey folks, is there a warlock here, who knows how Imp. Shadow Bolt works? |
| 03:15.33 | Legorol | I got some things I'd like clarified |
| 03:15.54 | Tekkub | it's like normal SB, but better |
| 03:16.00 | Legorol | lol Tekkub |
| 03:16.08 | Legorol | First question is, can the debuff stack with itself? (I'm guessing not) |
| 03:16.39 | Drundia | new one refreshes and takes over |
| 03:16.41 | Tekkub | you're thinking of OP SB |
| 03:17.46 | Legorol | Drundia: ok, next question |
| 03:18.09 | Legorol | one of my destro locks is claiming that the first time he crits (and therefore the debuff is applied), the bonus damage is only 5% |
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| 03:18.24 | Legorol | so he needs to keep critting 4 times in a row to get up to the MAX of 20% |
| 03:18.29 | Legorol | is that so, or is he talking rubbish? |
| 03:18.30 | Sargeras | hallo poppet |
| 03:18.45 | Cairenn | hey sweetie - how's the weather up there? |
| 03:18.48 | Tekkub | he's full of shit |
| 03:19.04 | Sargeras | 104F today |
| 03:19.19 | Tekkub | <--- no idea what it's like to play a lock |
| 03:19.24 | Tekkub | ... past 20 |
| 03:19.26 | malreth | 'oly crap... where are you, Sargeras? |
| 03:19.31 | Drundia | but he's really full of shit |
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| 03:19.46 | Drundia | it's 20% from first crit |
| 03:20.10 | Tekkub | Your Shadow Bolt critical strikes increase Shadow damage dealt to the target by 4% until 4 non-periodic damage sources are applied. Effect lasts a maximum of 12 sec. |
| 03:20.11 | Tekkub | rank 1 |
| 03:20.24 | Tekkub | Your Shadow Bolt critical strikes increase Shadow damage dealt to the target by 20% until 4 non-periodic damage sources are applied. Effect lasts a maximum of 12 sec. |
| 03:20.25 | Tekkub | rank 5 |
| 03:20.50 | Legorol | Tekkub, please don't |
| 03:20.51 | Tekkub | sounds like he has it backwards... it's 20% until 4 hits land |
| 03:21.01 | Legorol | i read the tooltip also :D |
| 03:21.08 | Legorol | Tekkub: yes that's how i read it too |
| 03:21.17 | Legorol | should be 20% right from the start, and stay that way until the debuff is gone |
| 03:21.19 | Tekkub | so what's the confusion... seems plain and clear to me |
| 03:21.49 | Tekkub | "Actually, this is now ALL shadow spells, even your DoT's, it only lasts for 4 non-DoT hits" |
| 03:22.39 | Tekkub | and the "charges" appear as if it's stacked 4 times |
| 03:22.45 | Legorol | that part i read too |
| 03:22.50 | Legorol | i also read the wowhead comments :P |
| 03:22.59 | Tekkub | so then why you confused? |
| 03:23.04 | Legorol | the confusion is that this warlock of mine claims that his actual experience is that the first time he crits, the debuff applied only gives 5% bonus |
| 03:23.11 | Legorol | and a subsequent crit brings it up to 10% etc. |
| 03:23.42 | Tekkub | your lock is full of crap, you should know not to believe what people say on the internet |
| 03:23.47 | Drundia | and what if he claims that he one-shots kil'jaeden with rank 1 shadow bolt? |
| 03:24.20 | Tekkub | everyone knows you don't do that |
| 03:24.34 | Tekkub | you one-shot bop him on the head and he falls in |
| 03:25.32 | Drundia | i also heard that he likes internets and often goes afk while raids are killing him |
| 03:25.33 | malreth | just tell him he's mistaken and if he insists, ask him to back his beliefs up with data |
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| 03:26.11 | Tekkub | just agree with him and do whatever you want ignoring what he says |
| 03:26.37 | Legorol | that's not really the solution i'm looking for, Tekkub :D |
| 03:26.44 | Drundia | rumors say that all bosses in wotlk will check armory profiles of players that approach them and will be easy prey to those fast enough, or when armory lags... |
| 03:26.49 | Tekkub | anything to shut him up faster :) |
| 03:31.31 | Xinhuan | its for those addons that need to wait for every other addon to finish loading |
| 03:31.35 | Xinhuan | mt |
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| 03:37.08 | Rabbitbunny | ARe Gad and BB linked? |
| 03:37.14 | Rabbitbunny | s/R/r/ |
| 03:37.19 | |Jelly| | yais |
| 03:37.24 | Rabbitbunny | Whew. |
| 03:37.42 | Rabbitbunny | Couldn't remember, Didn't want to swin another lv1 through STV> |
| 03:37.45 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8430135696&sid=1 |
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| 03:45.32 | DARKGuy | I'd block an addon to block the guild invite spam if I were there. |
| 03:45.40 | DARKGuy | s/block an/write an/ |
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| 03:46.50 | Diskmaster | s/// |
| 03:51.27 | laeg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4 |
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| 03:54.27 | Legorol | malreth: i kind of did what you suggested |
| 03:54.39 | Legorol | we went to Dr. Boom and recorded combat log |
| 03:54.45 | Legorol | i was right, he was wrong |
| 03:54.51 | Legorol | he was man enough to admit it |
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| 06:00.18 | Nom- | heh with i could be on beta now :( |
| 06:00.20 | Nom- | *wish |
| 06:00.48 | Thunder_Child | why dont you then? |
| 06:00.57 | Cairenn | you're signed up via us, right Nom-? |
| 06:01.23 | Nom- | hmm? i have an account... |
| 06:01.38 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 06:01.42 | Cairenn | channel topic |
| 06:02.01 | Nom- | Ah, i'm not an author tho :P |
| 06:02.29 | Nom- | I could be though XD |
| 06:03.10 | Cairenn | ah |
| 06:04.28 | Nom- | *goes looking for API changes* .. wondering how compatable existing addons are? |
| 06:05.01 | Nom- | ah so basically not much changed |
| 06:05.02 | Nom- | oh well |
| 06:08.56 | Nom- | Do external combat log parsers/analysers count? :D |
| 06:09.02 | Nom- | I wrote one a while back |
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| 06:11.38 | Sixen | ~seen duman |
| 06:11.40 | purl | duman is currently on #wowuidev (7d 10h 58m 36s). Has said a total of 60 messages. Is idling for 23h 39m 32s, last said: '~fail Northrend'. |
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| 06:16.35 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Guillotine |
| 06:16.35 | purl | slaps Guillotine around with a large trout |
| 06:16.44 | Guillotine | no u |
| 06:16.55 | Thunder_Child | to late |
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| 06:20.56 | Nom- | The only reason I haven't got into addon authoring is because everything I can think of is already written |
| 06:21.04 | Nom- | If someone has a new idea, I'll gladly investigate XD |
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| 06:21.23 | Nom- | I'm not an ideas man XD |
| 06:21.34 | Tekkub | Nom Nom Nom |
| 06:23.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: make an addon that draws on the map from your player arrow to the edge of the window in the direction you're facing. |
| 06:23.26 | NightHawkTheSane | er, "draws a line" |
| 06:23.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd give sexual favors for that. |
| 06:24.16 | Nom- | Couldn't you just do that with a modified player icon ? |
| 06:24.20 | Thunder_Child | Nom-, how about making any addon that exists right now but does not work for 3.0 right now, work in 3.0 |
| 06:24.39 | Nom- | Thunder_Child: I'd probably need access to Beta in order to do that, which I don't have XD |
| 06:24.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: wouldn't that require beta access first, theoretically? :P |
| 06:24.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: probably, I don't really know how to do THAT either, though |
| 06:25.10 | Thunder_Child | shhhh |
| 06:25.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i just want something that gives me a vector out from the player arrow on my map, so I can line up really long flights properly |
| 06:25.47 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Map mod with waypoints and 3d arrow ftw |
| 06:26.01 | Xuerian | set a wp at target and align arrow for win |
| 06:26.27 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly too much work, and im not sure if there's any waypoint mods that handle cross-zone waypoints that well? |
| 06:26.28 | Xuerian | Though, what would be more awesome, is a more precise alignment system, like a aircraft heading hud or something |
| 06:26.35 | Xuerian | carto handles it fine |
| 06:26.56 | Xuerian | (carto 2) |
| 06:28.35 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, so it does. that's still more obnoxious than a simple line, that lets me pop open my map, align it, and go. |
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| 06:29.43 | Nom- | except for the trees etc in the way XD |
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| 06:30.05 | NightHawkTheSane | trees don't go THAT high, just fly over em. ;) |
| 06:30.21 | Nom- | I know what you mean though... i would think a simple replacement texture would do the trick, ASSUMING that texture isn't required to be a certain size |
| 06:30.46 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm pretty uninformed when it comes to textures and such, so i couldn't say |
| 06:32.08 | Thunder_Child | Nom-, want something that really complicated? |
| 06:32.30 | Thunder_Child | s/complicated/time consuming/ |
| 06:32.50 | Thunder_Child | thats* |
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| 06:35.55 | Nom- | What's that ? |
| 06:36.29 | Thunder_Child | Nom-, something that replaces the default quest text with bulletin points on where to go and what to do |
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| 06:38.09 | Nom- | heh.. that'd be pretty involved if there's no database to pull the data from |
| 06:38.15 | Nom- | if there is, then it shouldn't be that hard |
| 06:38.35 | NightHawkTheSane | well, wowhead has quest text.. |
| 06:40.58 | clad|sleep | you can get the bullet points from here: http://www.leviathanstrategies.com/viewQuest.php?q=3824 |
| 06:42.21 | clad|sleep | however, that site will/would be an absolute bitch to scrape |
| 06:42.43 | clad|sleep | the owner wanted me to write an addon for him some time ago.. but he wanted a bunch of in-depth things that would have been really difficult to pull off |
| 06:42.53 | clad|sleep | in particular, he wanted photos of every single objective |
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| 06:44.50 | clad|sleep | There's only like 6k quests |
| 06:44.58 | clad|sleep | wouldn't take long to make the database by hand *snicker* |
| 06:45.05 | Nom- | hmm not bad... you're right tho... scaping it would be hard |
| 06:45.24 | Nom- | I highly doubt that page is static content though... there must be a backend database |
| 06:45.25 | clad|sleep | but QH and Carbonite have that data already |
| 06:45.34 | Thunder_Child | within the default quest text panels? |
| 06:45.34 | clad|sleep | there is a database that generates the pages |
| 06:45.43 | clad|sleep | good luck in getting them to open it up |
| 06:46.01 | clad|sleep | Thunder_Child: no, but if QH and Carbonite already have the data, all you have to do is display it |
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| 06:50.43 | Nom- | Looks like the flash version of their site would have XML feeds |
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| 06:50.51 | Nom- | But it can't connec to it's own database at the moment lol |
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| 06:55.37 | clad|sleep | :P |
| 06:56.19 | |pez| | feh, I was looking forward to a good yoghurt breakfast, and the yoghurt I bought tasted icky. :( |
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| 07:00.32 | Nom- | LOL |
| 07:00.36 | Nom- | I think I found something that does what you want |
| 07:00.39 | Nom- | Carbonite Quest |
| 07:00.46 | Nom- | In fact |
| 07:00.47 | Nom- | It does |
| 07:00.58 | Nom- | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw11474.jpg |
| 07:01.57 | Nom- | hmm that looks damn impressive actually |
| 07:02.01 | Nom- | Might grab that XD |
| 07:02.09 | Corrodias | i just splooged all over my screen |
| 07:02.10 | Corrodias | thanks a lot |
| 07:02.26 | |pez| | ... |
| 07:02.56 | cncfanatics | |pez|: fail |
| 07:03.16 | |pez| | cncfanatics: hmm? |
| 07:03.30 | cncfanatics | |pez|: yoghurt always tastes icky |
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| 07:03.39 | |pez| | No it doesn't. |
| 07:04.19 | cncfanatics | Nom-: WOW |
| 07:04.19 | cncfanatics | what addon is that ? :p |
| 07:04.19 | Nom- | 15:00 < Nom-> Carbonite Quest |
| 07:04.19 | Mery | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8214-CarboniteQuest.html |
| 07:04.19 | cncfanatics | thats like, amazing |
| 07:04.19 | Nom- | In-freakin-deed |
| 07:04.22 | Nom- | I'm firing up my warrior to see how well it works now |
| 07:04.50 | cncfanatics | at work now heh |
| 07:04.54 | cncfanatics | and I'm 70 now anyway |
| 07:04.58 | cncfanatics | wld have been handy a few weeks ago :p |
| 07:05.08 | Nom- | oh ... my ... god ... |
| 07:05.18 | Nom- | it does work ... and it has a database |
| 07:05.47 | Nom- | wow... |
| 07:05.52 | |pez| | Maybe I should get back into WoW. :P |
| 07:05.58 | |pez| | get my char from lvl 61 to 70 |
| 07:06.09 | Nom- | just took a screeny... i'll post it... it's really good |
| 07:07.44 | Thunder_Child | Nom-, 2 things, 1. it's not in the default quest text panels. 2. @clad|sleep: but QH and Carbonite have that data already |
| 07:07.51 | clad|sleep | *sigh* |
| 07:07.52 | clad|sleep | yes |
| 07:07.56 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/WoWScrnShot_072808_150556.jpg |
| 07:08.21 | clad|sleep | Nom-: the point is to take that, and transcribe it into a simple bullet list in the default quest log, like he asked for. |
| 07:08.21 | Nom- | Yeah... if one could take that data and apply it to Cartographer, for instance... |
| 07:08.49 | clad|sleep | well |
| 07:08.53 | clad|sleep | carbonite already works with TomTom |
| 07:08.58 | clad|sleep | so.. |
| 07:09.58 | Nom- | *sigh* ... they encrypted the addon |
| 07:10.04 | Nom- | that's ... lol |
| 07:10.06 | Thunder_Child | dont worry clad|sleep, something seems to be getting lost in the translation, i'll think of something else for Nom- to do |
| 07:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Nom-: they also sell paid versions of it |
| 07:10.18 | clad|sleep | heh |
| 07:10.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Nom-: expect it |
| 07:10.24 | cncfanatics | ScytheBlade1: paid addons are lame :s |
| 07:10.27 | Nom- | no, i understand... it's just a case of finding the data source |
| 07:10.35 | cncfanatics | Nom-: its perfectly decriptable |
| 07:10.43 | cncfanatics | can you link me to the addon ? I'll try to mess with it & decrypt it |
| 07:10.47 | ScytheBlade1 | True. devtools to the rescue? ;) |
| 07:10.58 | ScytheBlade1 | !g carbonite addon |
| 07:10.59 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Carbonite - Homepage <http://www.carboniteaddon.com/> |
| 07:11.06 | cncfanatics | I'm at work anyway |
| 07:11.08 | cncfanatics | and just arrived |
| 07:11.10 | cncfanatics | and there ain't shit to do |
| 07:11.13 | Nom- | yeah... it should be... the source has the decription routine in it |
| 07:11.16 | cncfanatics | so i'll keep myself busy with that |
| 07:11.32 | clad|sleep | its already been unobfuscated |
| 07:11.35 | Thunder_Child | um, isnt using the decrypted info a breach of something? |
| 07:11.37 | clad|sleep | nothing special there. |
| 07:11.48 | clad|sleep | you can't take the data either way |
| 07:11.52 | cladhaire | so not sure why bother |
| 07:11.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: probably. The same could be said of breathing nowadays |
| 07:12.12 | cladhaire | except not... |
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| 07:15.17 | Mery | "decrypting" carbonite is easy, but then you still will find some code with all the varibale names stripped out -> no fun to read |
| 07:15.31 | cncfanatics | The CARBONITE Addon is locked to a customer provided realm and character name. You "unlock" the addon by logging in with the registered character and realm. Once unlocked, you can then use the addon with any character on any realm. |
| 07:15.38 | cncfanatics | WTF ? |
| 07:15.39 | cncfanatics | seriously |
| 07:15.44 | cladhaire | yes, this is old news |
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| 07:15.52 | cladhaire | what is the issue here? |
| 07:16.00 | cladhaire | and why are you trying to cause problems? |
| 07:16.27 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: the paid version is |
| 07:16.45 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: I think addons like that are, well, lame |
| 07:16.50 | cladhaire | grats |
| 07:16.57 | cladhaire | he's still entitled |
| 07:17.13 | cladhaire | and he holds copyright on the data, so trying to pull and use that data is a blatant copyright violation |
| 07:17.15 | Nom- | Highly impressed by that addon though |
| 07:17.23 | cncfanatics | highly impressed also |
| 07:17.23 | cladhaire | its a really good addon |
| 07:17.26 | Nom- | I can definately see the want/need for having a separate one though |
| 07:17.28 | cncfanatics | just stupid he's so tightass about it |
| 07:17.31 | Nom- | ie. One with open source and open database |
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| 07:17.49 | cladhaire | cncfanatics: he sells it.. |
| 07:17.55 | cladhaire | he HAS to be tight ass about it |
| 07:18.04 | |pez| | Nothing wrong with making money of things one makes |
| 07:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | he sells it for right next to nothing |
| 07:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | AND localizes it in both english and german |
| 07:18.17 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: thats exactly what I find anoying |
| 07:18.23 | cladhaire | grats again! |
| 07:18.25 | cladhaire | he's entitled |
| 07:18.29 | cncfanatics | I know ;) |
| 07:18.30 | cladhaire | and he has a good product, so more power to him |
| 07:18.46 | cncfanatics | just need to make a better open source product |
| 07:18.46 | cladhaire | if you want to compete |
| 07:18.48 | cladhaire | help QH |
| 07:18.53 | cladhaire | which does the exact same thing |
| 07:19.05 | cncfanatics | never used QH, I'll check it out |
| 07:19.28 | cladhaire | the data is created by people completing quests |
| 07:19.35 | cladhaire | and submitting their SV |
| 07:19.45 | cncfanatics | intresting |
| 07:19.49 | cncfanatics | nice idea also |
| 07:20.20 | Mery | is it still hte only addon with that kind of map or has somebody already made a similar one? |
| 07:20.37 | cncfanatics | thats similar to cartographer 3 isn't it ? |
| 07:20.56 | cladhaire | i can't stand the way cart3 does anything other than the lowest layer of the map, but similar.. yes. |
| 07:21.06 | cladhaire | i find QH's map much nicer to use |
| 07:21.26 | Mery | ok, should try out both then :) |
| 07:22.57 | abug | think anyone would pay 50g for the hat from don carlos on heroic? |
| 07:23.15 | cncfanatics | abug: prolly |
| 07:23.41 | |pez| | Oh, he has a subscription thing on the Carbonite thing. |
| 07:23.49 | cladhaire | |pez|: huh? |
| 07:23.53 | cladhaire | there's a free version |
| 07:23.57 | cladhaire | and a subscription version, yes. |
| 07:24.05 | |pez| | Yeah |
| 07:24.18 | |pez| | Not that it's lots of money, but I'd rather pay a one-time-fee |
| 07:24.22 | |pez| | but ofcourse, his choice |
| 07:24.29 | |pez| | he's obviously put a lot of effort into this thing. |
| 07:25.03 | |pez| | I think I'll have to get a subscription if I ever start playing WoW again. |
| 07:25.44 | cladhaire | QH was/is nice but its in a bit of disrepair at the moment. |
| 07:26.05 | cladhaire | tho i think it still works just fine, just hasn't been touched. |
| 07:26.31 | abug | I tourguide isn't bad |
| 07:27.11 | cladhaire | yeah buts its linear.. only one path really |
| 07:27.28 | cladhaire | as an addon, its great :P |
| 07:28.02 | abug | I guess it depends on what your goals are |
| 07:29.10 | cladhaire | aye |
| 07:29.13 | cladhaire | tg is normally fine for me |
| 07:29.22 | Thunder_Child | can you switch action bars in combat? |
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| 07:29.45 | cladhaire | yes you can |
| 07:29.47 | |pez| | for me, tg means something else than tourguide! |
| 07:30.07 | |pez| | and for other people again, it means something totally different again. |
| 07:30.08 | abug | a slashdot meme? |
| 07:30.28 | Thunder_Child | has anyone tried a tree based spell casting system? |
| 07:30.31 | |pez| | tg in my world, means The Gathering |
| 07:30.51 | |pez| | for lots of romanian folks. tg is short for some romanian city or some sort. |
| 07:31.01 | |pez| | or... something |
| 07:31.02 | cladhaire | oh, hehe |
| 07:31.27 | |pez| | we get folks in The Gathering channel being all "Buna! :D" "Sal!" |
| 07:31.31 | abug | I thought you were referring to a picture, my bad |
| 07:32.04 | |pez| | I also think about the Norwegian national clothing when I read "buna" |
| 07:32.28 | |pez| | And then I think about 17th of May. |
| 07:32.34 | |pez| | And... I think too much. |
| 07:33.09 | cladhaire | lol |
| 07:35.19 | Thunder_Child | hmm..one could do an entire tree based casting system with only...say...5 keys |
| 07:35.31 | Thunder_Child | s/keys/keyboard keys/ |
| 07:36.42 | |pez| | Ok, this doesn't do. I'm falling asleep here. |
| 07:36.45 | |pez| | gonna go have a nap. :P |
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| 07:42.25 | Nom- | Thunder_Child: Sounds like you've been playing AoC ? :P |
| 07:42.48 | Nom- | Although, the combos in AoC are not so much trees, but a sequence to be pressed to cast the spell |
| 07:43.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Nom-: the difference between that and a "tree" is merely conceptual, really |
| 07:45.31 | Thunder_Child | never played AoC, though i did buy it ages ago |
| 07:45.43 | p3lim | im beginning to think |
| 07:45.51 | Nom- | I've been playing it the last few days... the server lag is sooooo bad |
| 07:45.58 | p3lim | how will people implement DK runes into unitframe addons? |
| 07:46.18 | Nom- | I've seen a few addons which have already done it |
| 07:46.24 | p3lim | how? |
| 07:46.24 | MoonWork | hard to predict |
| 07:46.26 | Nom- | in movies that is |
| 07:46.41 | Nom- | the order of the runes tends to become random... you know there are 6 runs |
| 07:46.47 | Thunder_Child | Nom-, ok how about an addon that shows primary drop location of an item in the items tolltip? eg. world/boss/mob/etc. |
| 07:46.58 | p3lim | from what Ive seen in some clips, there are 6 runes that looks like minimap buttons below the player frame |
| 07:46.59 | Nom- | so what they do is cut out the rune when it's used, then it appears on the end in a recharging state |
| 07:47.17 | Nom- | Thunder_Child: Been there, done that... i'm running one which does that :/ |
| 07:47.25 | Thunder_Child | oh, nvm then |
| 07:47.27 | p3lim | Nom-: http://www.vimeo.com/1373946 |
| 07:47.31 | MoonWork | been there, done that, MADE ONE. |
| 07:47.32 | p3lim | (shit quality tho) |
| 07:47.43 | Thunder_Child | did i miss something, the runes dont move |
| 07:47.51 | p3lim | MoonWork: Youve played beta? |
| 07:47.54 | MoonWork | no |
| 07:47.56 | Nom- | well the one i saw has the runes moving |
| 07:48.00 | Nom- | maybe this guy has a idff addon |
| 07:48.17 | p3lim | Nom-: got a screen/clip? |
| 07:48.18 | Thunder_Child | not in the beta, it's bbxxzz |
| 07:48.29 | Thunder_Child | thay just have visual cooldown timers |
| 07:48.43 | Thunder_Child | they* |
| 07:49.06 | Thunder_Child | http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/fullshadow6.jpg |
| 07:49.23 | Thunder_Child | the runes are static |
| 07:49.36 | cladhaire | they don't move at all |
| 07:49.49 | cladhaire | tjeu dodm |
| 07:49.52 | p3lim | what happens to those 6 button frames? |
| 07:49.57 | cladhaire | they didn't in alpha, even tho the player frame was completely different |
| 07:50.00 | cladhaire | what do you mean what happens to them? |
| 07:50.07 | p3lim | well |
| 07:50.13 | cladhaire | they get used up and dimmed |
| 07:50.14 | Thunder_Child | most people will prolly implement them like rogue compbo points |
| 07:50.16 | cladhaire | then a cooldown timer starts |
| 07:50.23 | Thunder_Child | combo* |
| 07:50.25 | p3lim | ok |
| 07:50.39 | p3lim | Thunder_Child: using text? |
| 07:50.58 | p3lim | im thinking dogtag and symbols |
| 07:51.04 | *** part/#wowuidev Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 07:51.08 | p3lim | 6 dots, colored by type |
| 07:51.11 | cladhaire | *shudder* |
| 07:51.11 | Thunder_Child | eh, i was thinking HUD's myself |
| 07:51.25 | cladhaire | i'll be writing a HUD for mine |
| 07:51.29 | Nom- | http://static4.filefront.com/ffv6/player/vp_embed.swf?v=712836&autorun=false |
| 07:51.31 | cladhaire | or changing the default version |
| 07:51.40 | Xuerian | I still don't know why no one has made a combo point display mod that uses the horizontal layout that's got textures in the default ui |
| 07:51.45 | Nom- | actually his doesn't move either |
| 07:51.54 | Nom- | there was one i saw where the order changed every time a rune was used |
| 07:51.55 | Thunder_Child | i personly dont like the way they are handled, i would prefer not to see them when i cant use them, it is to hard to pay attetion to see if they are recharged or not |
| 07:52.08 | p3lim | Nom-: looks a bit better |
| 07:52.21 | Thunder_Child | visable/non-visable would be easier imo |
| 07:52.58 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: you need to be able to see them recharging, for blood run mastery, |
| 07:53.17 | cladhaire | or rather, it helps |
| 07:53.18 | p3lim | DK's looks fun to play |
| 07:53.25 | cladhaire | they are |
| 07:53.32 | p3lim | for sure gonna roll one once i get to 80 with my druid and get bored |
| 07:53.44 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, how would that change anything? |
| 07:53.52 | Thunder_Child | so it appears faster... |
| 07:53.53 | cladhaire | because you can time things |
| 07:54.01 | cladhaire | DKs are all about pacing |
| 07:54.07 | cladhaire | you need to know how long until a rune activates |
| 07:54.13 | cladhaire | in order to be a good tank |
| 07:54.18 | Thunder_Child | that that i have played |
| 07:54.35 | p3lim | what is their power called? |
| 07:54.36 | MoonWork | i think a simple display with coloured dots would be a good system |
| 07:54.40 | cladhaire | they have runes, and runic power |
| 07:54.41 | ScytheBlade1 | runic |
| 07:54.44 | p3lim | ok |
| 07:54.51 | cladhaire | like combo points and rage, respectively |
| 07:55.01 | Thunder_Child | well my point being is that as they have it now it is not efficent as it could be |
| 07:55.13 | cladhaire | well duh |
| 07:55.13 | MoonWork | runes + runic power is inverse energy and combo points |
| 07:55.18 | cladhaire | but you're talking about hiding them when they're recharging |
| 07:55.21 | Thunder_Child | needs to be more intuetive (sp?) |
| 07:55.21 | batbot | Thunder_Child, intuitive. |
| 07:55.37 | MoonWork | instead of spending energy to gain combopoints you spend runes to gain power |
| 07:55.49 | p3lim | they seem to be recharging fast |
| 07:55.49 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, ok, i havent played them that much, that was my origional thought, thats all |
| 07:55.53 | cladhaire | i suspect you'll see it changed in the next build, but i dont' know. |
| 07:55.53 | MoonWork | the power then is used for really powerfull abilities. |
| 07:55.57 | MoonWork | like finisher would be for rogues. |
| 07:56.04 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: I figured as much, you just need to be able to see the timing :P |
| 07:56.11 | cladhaire | reactive rune use isn't enough to not suck :P |
| 07:56.34 | MoonWork | DK's will be all about the cycles, well timed well executed cycles. |
| 07:56.45 | p3lim | im so gonna do dots as text for my unitframes :) |
| 07:56.50 | p3lim | minimalistic ftw |
| 07:57.24 | MoonWork | modified to suit certain boss encounters ofcourse. |
| 07:57.52 | Thunder_Child | wait...i remember something that might help. it was a verticle bar that had horozontal lines on it and has abilitys moving down it showing when they would be ready |
| 07:58.19 | Thunder_Child | mah |
| 07:58.21 | MoonWork | the hunter shot weaver thing ? |
| 07:58.22 | cladhaire | MoonWork: DPS yes.. but tanks have to be able to keep runes and rp in reserve as well |
| 07:58.24 | Thunder_Child | meh* |
| 07:58.43 | cladhaire | they just need a better cooldown model |
| 07:58.45 | cladhaire | the default shows too much |
| 07:58.46 | Thunder_Child | MoonWork, it was for war's i think, but the ideas the same |
| 07:58.58 | cladhaire | it needs to actually hide the parts that aren't done yet. |
| 07:59.01 | cladhaire | imo |
| 07:59.05 | MoonWork | hmm |
| 07:59.06 | MoonWork | yes |
| 07:59.12 | cladhaire | and yeah, a rune timeline would be good too |
| 07:59.24 | cladhaire | as a hud would be nice, actually |
| 07:59.30 | MoonWork | quick someone who is actually in beta start coding. |
| 07:59.42 | Thunder_Child | ya, circular maybe, like a clock with timers |
| 07:59.47 | Thunder_Child | around your char |
| 07:59.54 | p3lim | http://i37.tinypic.com/353bhw6.jpg |
| 08:00.02 | cladhaire | MoonWork: it won't take any time, no reason to be quick about it :P |
| 08:00.03 | MoonWork | i do sadly think that with the current way people like to dumb things down a timed bar showing you exactly what to do when and what to do after it is going to be one of the new rages. |
| 08:00.03 | p3lim | (pretty rough but you get the idea, mspaint ftw) |
| 08:00.10 | cladhaire | i'm playing with other stuff atm :P |
| 08:00.31 | cladhaire | watchdog had combo points like that |
| 08:00.40 | MoonWork | i'm pissed at myself that i gave away all responsibilites for mods to others, now i can't qualify for the beta signup. |
| 08:01.50 | cladhaire | i hope i can finally move to eu beta |
| 08:02.31 | p3lim | there are actually 4 types of runes |
| 08:02.36 | p3lim | i forgot the chromatic one |
| 08:02.38 | cladhaire | death runes, yes |
| 08:02.55 | cladhaire | and you know when a rune is going to become a death rune |
| 08:03.27 | cncfanatics | p3lim: what do chromatic runes do ? |
| 08:03.47 | p3lim | chromatic rune works like a blood, death and frost, in one |
| 08:03.49 | p3lim | i think |
| 08:03.51 | cladhaire | yep |
| 08:03.51 | nevcairiel | probably work as all types, from the name |
| 08:03.55 | cladhaire | they're called "Death" runes |
| 08:03.57 | cladhaire | not chromatic |
| 08:04.01 | cladhaire | and they count as any type of rune |
| 08:04.17 | p3lim | UI-PlayerFrame-Deathknight-Chromatic-On.tga |
| 08:04.19 | p3lim | hm.. |
| 08:04.22 | nevcairiel | Is there any downside to those, like longer cooldown or such? |
| 08:04.25 | cladhaire | nope |
| 08:04.37 | p3lim | Death runes are the green runes |
| 08:04.41 | p3lim | blood are red |
| 08:04.46 | p3lim | frost blue, chromatic silver |
| 08:04.55 | cladhaire | there are no chromatic runes in game |
| 08:05.01 | cladhaire | there are only blood, unholy, frost, and death. |
| 08:05.02 | MoonWork | death == chromatic |
| 08:05.07 | cladhaire | i don't care what the MPQs say |
| 08:05.07 | MoonWork | they simply gave them a different name |
| 08:05.14 | cladhaire | look at the old spell names :P |
| 08:05.20 | p3lim | well im looking at textures :p |
| 08:05.26 | MoonWork | texture names lie |
| 08:05.29 | cladhaire | well i play my death knight |
| 08:05.30 | cladhaire | i win :P |
| 08:05.31 | cncfanatics | how do death knights put chromatic runes on their stuff ? special talents/spells ? |
| 08:05.32 | nevcairiel | who cares about textures names |
| 08:05.33 | p3lim | they say blood, dead, frost and chromatic |
| 08:05.34 | Nom- | actually... i know what i want to build |
| 08:05.36 | MoonWork | and are usually not updated, because, its not needed. |
| 08:05.37 | Nom- | a /find command |
| 08:05.57 | nevcairiel | look at the textures names for all spells |
| 08:05.57 | MoonWork | its bloood unholy frost and death. |
| 08:06.03 | nevcairiel | itll mostly not match :P |
| 08:06.19 | cladhaire | the old playerframe was hawt |
| 08:06.22 | Nom- | needs a world database to work thought... but yeah... being able to do /find repair, /find reagents, /find trainer etc |
| 08:06.25 | cladhaire | but you couldn't see the RP |
| 08:06.27 | p3lim | table names also say the same as textures |
| 08:06.35 | cladhaire | yes |
| 08:06.38 | cladhaire | they don't update shit like that |
| 08:06.42 | cladhaire | because there's no reason to |
| 08:06.43 | p3lim | shame |
| 08:06.46 | MoonWork | cladhaire, you mean the big claymore UF ? |
| 08:06.51 | cladhaire | yep |
| 08:06.55 | MoonWork | it was win. |
| 08:06.59 | cladhaire | p3lim: why is it a shame? |
| 08:07.06 | cladhaire | MoonWork: you coudln't see the rp tho, it sucked. |
| 08:07.15 | p3lim | cause it got me confusing, probably not the first one to be that neither |
| 08:07.17 | cladhaire | too small of a sliver |
| 08:07.21 | p3lim | confused* |
| 08:07.28 | cladhaire | p3lim: you can NEVER go by the textures |
| 08:07.39 | cladhaire | look at the spell icons for the release spells |
| 08:07.44 | cladhaire | names are COMPLETELY different |
| 08:07.47 | MoonWork | if you went by texture names we would not be playing the game we were. |
| 08:07.53 | p3lim | i never do, but when every function says blood, death, frost and chromatic you can get tricked |
| 08:07.55 | nevcairiel | You should never go by the UI code either, if you want to figure out spell names |
| 08:08.04 | nevcairiel | just play the game |
| 08:08.04 | MoonWork | texture need a name, its made when the texture is made, and never changed. |
| 08:08.09 | MoonWork | because it doesn't need changing. |
| 08:08.35 | p3lim | not gonna use those tables or textures anyways |
| 08:08.36 | Mery | is there a mpq extractor (or at least something that can give me a file list) for the current common.mpq? |
| 08:08.42 | p3lim | http://i37.tinypic.com/353bhw6.jpg <-- great concept imo |
| 08:08.58 | MoonWork | Mery, there is mpq editors all over the internets. |
| 08:09.01 | cladhaire | i.e. |
| 08:09.13 | cladhaire | "Detect Magic" == Spell_Holy_Dizzy |
| 08:09.28 | Mery | the ones i tried did open every mpq beside the 3.51GB common.mpq |
| 08:09.43 | Nom- | ooo ... jackpot! http://www.mobmap.de/index.php?language=english |
| 08:09.44 | MoonWork | p3lim, imho, the dots should be bigger, bigger allows for a better eyeball time estimation. |
| 08:09.47 | cladhaire | i use mpqfs |
| 08:09.52 | nevcairiel | Taunt = Spell_Nature_Reincarnation :P |
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| 08:10.06 | MoonWork | nevcairiel, wtf |
| 08:10.08 | cncfanatics | yea, taunt is the exact same icon as rebirth iirc |
| 08:10.12 | cladhaire | Nom-: cart has a database as well |
| 08:10.12 | MoonWork | i would not have though of that. |
| 08:10.19 | p3lim | MoonWork: i did say it was pretty rough, took me 20 sec in paint to make that pic |
| 08:10.32 | Nom- | cladhaire: does it let you /find common items in the zone ? |
| 08:10.40 | cladhaire | i dont know, i dont use either of them |
| 08:11.10 | Nom- | well, i've wanted to do that for a while, but could never find a database, so i might give that a crack... just needs to set a waypoint in cartographer as far as i'm concerned |
| 08:11.52 | cladhaire | i'm not sure how well mobmap and cart play together |
| 08:11.56 | cladhaire | maybe well, who knows :P |
| 08:12.18 | MoonWork | depends fully on how both addons do things, but generally cart picks up a lot of the stuff others add. |
| 08:12.29 | p3lim | but that ugly-ass system blizzard decided to go with, thats just during the beta, right? |
| 08:12.36 | Nom- | well this just seems to be a database... not an addon |
| 08:14.04 | cladhaire | p3lim: what "ugly ass system"? |
| 08:14.21 | p3lim | 6 minimap buttons-looking runes? :p |
| 08:14.38 | cladhaire | i suspect you will find its temporary |
| 08:14.56 | p3lim | yap :) |
| 08:15.05 | Thunder_Child | i havent heard about it changing |
| 08:15.05 | cladhaire | but they needed to do something, because half of the kiddies in beta wouldn't be able to use the orig player frame |
| 08:15.21 | MoonWork | cladhaire, so what, its a beta. |
| 08:15.24 | MoonWork | you deal |
| 08:15.33 | cladhaire | except not. |
| 08:15.44 | cladhaire | what they did made sense |
| 08:15.49 | cladhaire | its more functional now. |
| 08:16.20 | cladhaire | but uglee |
| 08:16.26 | Thunder_Child | MoonWork, it has to resemble live or the feedback is pointless |
| 08:16.36 | cladhaire | oro? |
| 08:16.40 | cladhaire | what it resembles means nothing |
| 08:16.42 | cladhaire | it was hard to play before |
| 08:16.43 | cladhaire | now its not. |
| 08:16.47 | cladhaire | thats why it was changed |
| 08:16.54 | Thunder_Child | his point about it just being a beta |
| 08:17.10 | cladhaire | yes, so he's saying those poeple who are playing beta can suck up and deal because they're beta testers |
| 08:17.19 | cladhaire | and I said that's not really the way it works :P |
| 08:17.32 | Thunder_Child | right, but the idea is to keep it as close as posible as to what they wouls use in live |
| 08:17.32 | cladhaire | *shrug* no big mysteries here :P |
| 08:17.39 | Thunder_Child | would* |
| 08:18.00 | cladhaire | no, that's not the goal |
| 08:18.06 | cladhaire | did you play in alpha? |
| 08:18.21 | Thunder_Child | play...no... |
| 08:18.24 | cladhaire | if not, you don't understand how difficult it was to actually gauge the amount of RP you had on the default player frame |
| 08:18.33 | Thunder_Child | RP? |
| 08:18.36 | cladhaire | runic power |
| 08:18.38 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 08:18.43 | cladhaire | that was the ONLY issue with the DK player frame |
| 08:18.46 | cladhaire | and that's why it was changed |
| 08:18.57 | cladhaire | until they can figure something else out, based on the current state of it. |
| 08:19.03 | Thunder_Child | eh..i thought we were talking about the runes |
| 08:19.31 | cladhaire | we were, but the reason the rune system was changed was because of the difficulty in runic power |
| 08:19.44 | cladhaire | the old rune display was much easier to read |
| 08:19.51 | cladhaire | btu still needed some "glow" when the rune was fully activated |
| 08:19.52 | Thunder_Child | the one on the sword? |
| 08:19.58 | cladhaire | yep |
| 08:20.01 | cladhaire | those runes were easy to see |
| 08:20.07 | cladhaire | since they filled up horizontally |
| 08:20.24 | cladhaire | the current one uses the cooldown model, which doesn't "hide" enough |
| 08:20.30 | cladhaire | imo |
| 08:20.34 | MoonWork | yeah |
| 08:20.40 | MoonWork | it needs to be fully gone |
| 08:20.46 | Thunder_Child | or some faster visual observation anyways |
| 08:20.57 | Thunder_Child | has to be quicker than it is now |
| 08:21.07 | cladhaire | quicker? |
| 08:21.13 | cladhaire | they take 10 seconds to reactivate |
| 08:21.17 | Thunder_Child | to see and understand |
| 08:21.52 | Thunder_Child | a quick glance at them should tell you everything you need to know, you shouldnt have to look at them for longer |
| 08:22.05 | Thunder_Child | however as i play my DK i do |
| 08:22.34 | cladhaire | i can read em just fine, its like seeing if a spell is on cooldown or not |
| 08:22.39 | cladhaire | but they'll be changing it, either way :P |
| 08:24.21 | cladhaire | seeing how well they did on the achievements ui, i have faith :P |
| 08:24.29 | cladhaire | the tokens UI isn't bad either :P |
| 08:25.08 | Thunder_Child | well the achievements ui isnt exactly mission critical |
| 08:27.43 | cladhaire | but its extremely well done |
| 08:27.49 | cladhaire | why does its criticality matter in this case? |
| 08:28.07 | MoonWork | cladhaire, tokens ui... what is this tokens ui |
| 08:28.09 | Thunder_Child | well to me the achievements is all fluff |
| 08:28.16 | cladhaire | MoonWork: /tokens |
| 08:28.21 | cladhaire | MoonWork: for raid/rep tokens |
| 08:28.23 | MoonWork | you mean to say i won't have my marks and shit in my bags anyomore ? |
| 08:28.30 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: yes... but its nice.. |
| 08:28.34 | cladhaire | I'm not sure I understand your point? |
| 08:28.38 | MoonWork | cladhaire, not in beta, sadly |
| 08:28.45 | MoonWork | following it closly, but not in. |
| 08:29.09 | cladhaire | MoonWork: oh, then check out... http://www.worldofraids.com/news/223.html |
| 08:29.25 | cladhaire | in theory |
| 08:29.30 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, i dunno, i suppse it's nice...i realy dont care for embelishment of data |
| 08:29.42 | MoonWork | cladhaire, wi. |
| 08:29.56 | cladhaire | Thunder_Child: the entire achievements system (not the UI.. the whole damn system) is fluff.. why is it a problem that it looks nice and is fun? |
| 08:29.58 | MoonWork | win, less bagspace used. |
| 08:30.00 | cladhaire | *boggle* |
| 08:30.30 | MoonWork | some people seem to think that its too casual/ taking time away from "real" content / too kiddy / don't like achievements in general. |
| 08:30.43 | cladhaire | so they don't have to participate |
| 08:30.49 | cladhaire | and some people don't PVP |
| 08:30.53 | cladhaire | and some people don't raid |
| 08:30.58 | nevcairiel | I think it's nice to track all those statistics |
| 08:31.07 | nevcairiel | And the little tasks to complete |
| 08:31.09 | MoonWork | and there is the people who think that somewhere along the line others will whine that theer should be gear for achievements and thats bad so we should not have achievements. |
| 08:31.16 | cladhaire | so that's precisely what I don't understand |
| 08:31.18 | MoonWork | yes i actually heard someone make that argument. |
| 08:31.26 | cncfanatics | achievment gear ? thats silly |
| 08:31.29 | cladhaire | well stupid people exist regardless of what happens |
| 08:31.33 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, it's not a problem, i never said it was a problem |
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| 08:31.52 | cladhaire | okay, i asked what your point was and you never restated it |
| 08:31.58 | cladhaire | I was hoping it was something more than "it's all fluff" |
| 08:32.05 | cladhaire | but apparently that's all you meant |
| 08:32.06 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 08:32.06 | cladhaire | :P |
| 08:32.07 | MoonWork | fluff is nice |
| 08:32.12 | MoonWork | half the game is fluff |
| 08:32.23 | MoonWork | minipets. fluff |
| 08:32.25 | cncfanatics | most of the default ui ain't fluff |
| 08:32.29 | MoonWork | different mounts, fluff. |
| 08:32.29 | Thunder_Child | no, i meant that making fluff look nice is much diff than making the rune system work well |
| 08:32.31 | cncfanatics | lots of content is though :) |
| 08:32.43 | MoonWork | tabards, fluff |
| 08:32.48 | nevcairiel | Will be nice to be able to check what the player actually already did, and what he claims he did |
| 08:32.49 | MoonWork | seasonal events, fluff |
| 08:32.49 | cladhaire | well it didn't cost them the rune system to make the achievements system |
| 08:32.50 | Thunder_Child | you decided to comapre the 2 for some reason |
| 08:32.50 | MoonWork | i can keep going. |
| 08:32.53 | cladhaire | they have more people working than that. |
| 08:32.57 | nevcairiel | seeing how achievements record boss kills, etc |
| 08:33.12 | cncfanatics | true nevcairiel |
| 08:33.43 | nevcairiel | old bosskills wont be recorded once it goes live, though |
| 08:33.52 | nevcairiel | we are already planning to kill everything once its out =P |
| 08:34.04 | cncfanatics | does it even have prewrath bosskill achievments |
| 08:34.06 | cncfanatics | ? |
| 08:34.09 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 08:34.12 | nevcairiel | even classic wow |
| 08:34.17 | MoonWork | achievements are the completionists worst nightmare / best drug ever. |
| 08:34.31 | nevcairiel | we'll be doing all 60 content with a small group at 80 |
| 08:34.37 | nevcairiel | wonder how hard it'll be :P |
| 08:34.39 | cncfanatics | well, some people will want to "finish the game", aka get all achievments :) |
| 08:34.47 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: won't be able to do naxx |
| 08:35.02 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: obviously not, because naxx was moved to northrend *doh |
| 08:35.37 | Elkano | MoonWork, if you manage to get the full load of WoW archivements you really need to see a doctor... first to hit level cap on server with all races will be almost impossible ^^ |
| 08:35.37 | cncfanatics | they didn't add achievments for pretbc naxx I supose ? :p |
| 08:35.44 | cncfanatics | or are all bosses coming back ? |
| 08:35.45 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: I thought tigole said specifically that it _WOULDNT_ have pre-wratch boss kills, only those things you can discern from the gear/tokens/trinkets |
| 08:35.50 | cladhaire | uhh |
| 08:35.50 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/forums/development/82/#277 |
| 08:35.52 | cncfanatics | (I can see some difficulty for some bosses with 25 man) |
| 08:36.01 | MoonWork | Elkano, i know one person who has done that one already |
| 08:36.17 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: I'm pretty sure the druid in my guild that got a WWI key said there are classic-wow boss achievements |
| 08:36.26 | cladhaire | they exist, yes |
| 08:36.31 | cladhaire | but they won't be retroactively rewarded |
| 08:36.37 | nevcairiel | thats what i meant |
| 08:36.41 | nevcairiel | (10:34:27) (nevcairiel) we'll be doing all 60 content with a small group at 80 |
| 08:36.42 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 08:36.42 | cncfanatics | Swiftmend mana cost changed from 16% base mana to 379 mana. cool |
| 08:36.50 | MoonWork | cncfanatics, not cool |
| 08:36.52 | MoonWork | its more expensive. |
| 08:36.58 | cncfanatics | not sure at 80 |
| 08:37.07 | foxlit | "cladhaire: but they won't be retroactively rewarded" |
| 08:37.07 | MoonWork | maybe not at 80 |
| 08:37.09 | MoonWork | but now it is. |
| 08:37.14 | foxlit | Why do you think that? :) |
| 08:37.16 | cncfanatics | its wotlk :) |
| 08:37.20 | cladhaire | foxlit: because tigole said |
| 08:37.26 | cladhaire | they don't have any way to track what bosses we HAVE killed |
| 08:37.37 | cladhaire | they have a way to track bosses that we kill from this point forward |
| 08:37.42 | MoonWork | aside from maybe gear hanging around in a bank. |
| 08:37.42 | foxlit | Meh. You'd think they'd actually keep the logs. |
| 08:37.49 | MoonWork | foxlit, they keep logs |
| 08:37.52 | nevcairiel | MoonWork: swiftmend is currently exactly 379 mana, wtf are you smooking |
| 08:37.55 | cladhaire | i'm sure they have the logs |
| 08:37.57 | MoonWork | have fun parsing 4 years of those. |
| 08:37.58 | foxlit | MoonWork: apparently not far enough |
| 08:38.02 | cladhaire | but going through them to reward this shit would be stupid |
| 08:38.10 | cladhaire | too much manpower and hell, cpu power |
| 08:38.16 | cncfanatics | wld be nice if they started tracking slightly before wotlk release |
| 08:38.20 | cladhaire | for little to no gain |
| 08:38.21 | MoonWork | nevcairiel, hmm, i was probably confused with the cost in tree form. |
| 08:38.28 | foxlit | You've got months and months to do it |
| 08:38.30 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: 3.0 patch release |
| 08:38.35 | cladhaire | cncfanatics: i suspect you'll see it start tracking when 3.0 hits the servers, which i suspect will be pre wotlk |
| 08:38.39 | nevcairiel | is somewhere before wotlk, probably |
| 08:38.39 | MoonWork | foxlit, that shit costs money |
| 08:38.41 | cncfanatics | aaah yea, true :) |
| 08:38.46 | cladhaire | they have better things to do |
| 08:38.48 | cladhaire | sure, it would be nice |
| 08:38.53 | cladhaire | but fuck no :P |
| 08:38.54 | foxlit | It's blizzard. They're likely swimmin in money :) |
| 08:39.05 | cncfanatics | foxlit: a company never *ever* has enough money :p |
| 08:39.10 | MoonWork | and all that money has been budgeted out. |
| 08:39.23 | MoonWork | they don't keep tons and tons of money sitting there doing nothing. |
| 08:39.49 | foxlit | So what do they do with tons and tons of money? |
| 08:40.00 | cladhaire | they have shareholders |
| 08:40.06 | MoonWork | invest it, turn out dividend |
| 08:40.14 | MoonWork | pay for more development |
| 08:40.28 | cladhaire | eithe way |
| 08:40.31 | cladhaire | what does blizzard gain by doing it |
| 08:40.32 | cladhaire | nothing |
| 08:40.41 | cladhaire | its free to tell people to go kill them again |
| 08:40.48 | foxlit | "because we can" is a nice slogan :) |
| 08:40.50 | MoonWork | foxlit, buy activision. |
| 08:41.00 | MoonWork | thats what they did with a large part of it. |
| 08:41.08 | MoonWork | well, help buy. |
| 08:41.24 | cladhaire | they'd have to pull someone from another project |
| 08:41.26 | foxlit | I'd imagine vivendi has other assets, too. |
| 08:41.29 | cladhaire | so its not free to do it |
| 08:41.34 | cladhaire | there's a cost associated |
| 08:41.46 | cladhaire | cost/benefit analysis says "No" |
| 08:41.48 | foxlit | Nor is it prohibitevely expensive, coding time wise |
| 08:41.51 | MoonWork | the pure cpu power to go through all those logs is actually rather high. |
| 08:42.15 | cladhaire | foxlit: They have to pull someone to do it |
| 08:42.25 | cladhaire | that person would have to stop working on wrath, and stop to work on somethign else |
| 08:42.30 | cladhaire | for again, NO gain |
| 08:42.51 | MoonWork | make some players happy, that didn't really ask for it anyway |
| 08:42.52 | foxlit | Technically, this is still "wrath" |
| 08:42.58 | MoonWork | if there had been a big CRY for this, maybe. |
| 08:43.00 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 08:43.13 | cladhaire | i will make this plain |
| 08:43.15 | cladhaire | one person |
| 08:43.19 | cladhaire | who is currently doing some other job |
| 08:43.22 | cladhaire | will have to _STOP_ |
| 08:43.23 | cladhaire | to do this |
| 08:43.29 | foxlit | for like one day. |
| 08:43.30 | cladhaire | this gains them absolutely nothing |
| 08:43.44 | cladhaire | they can't hire a temp to do it, because lord knows they don't want those logs to be in the hands of someone they don't trust |
| 08:43.48 | foxlit | The only real cost I'm prepared to agree with you on is in actually pulling your logs |
| 08:44.02 | cladhaire | foxlit: and then it has to run for days... and if it doesn't work.. he has to go back and fix it. |
| 08:44.08 | foxlit | They may well be unable to do so, keep them for specific periods only, or have a prohibitvely expensive archival system. |
| 08:44.09 | MoonWork | foxlit, maybe you didn't know seniours devs, expensive people. |
| 08:44.11 | cladhaire | and it has to interface with the accounts database, so it can flag characters/accountsd |
| 08:44.30 | cladhaire | putting your hands over your eyes doesn't stop something from existing! |
| 08:44.50 | cladhaire | and again |
| 08:44.54 | cladhaire | this gains blizzard nothing to do this |
| 08:45.10 | cladhaire | people are and will be happy with the system they're rolling out |
| 08:45.17 | cladhaire | sure, I agree 100% it would be nice |
| 08:45.20 | cladhaire | but... |
| 08:46.18 | cladhaire | i'm excited about achievements.. and the change to combat pets, etc. |
| 08:46.22 | cladhaire | err non-combat pets |
| 08:46.26 | cladhaire | think it'll be fun :P |
| 08:46.37 | cladhaire | i know collectors will get off on it |
| 08:46.42 | cladhaire | i've never started collecting in wow, thank god :P |
| 08:46.59 | MoonWork | many mounts, they will be bought |
| 08:47.02 | cladhaire | i have a problem with being a competist! |
| 08:47.16 | cladhaire | ZOMG its all a scam to pull blizz gold off the market! GGBlizz! |
| 08:47.36 | MoonWork | cladhaire, wtf ? |
| 08:47.41 | MoonWork | where did that come from ? |
| 08:47.46 | cladhaire | the buying of mounts :P |
| 08:47.54 | MoonWork | mounts are like 8g a pop. |
| 08:48.10 | MoonWork | but now that they don't take up inventory space. |
| 08:48.18 | MoonWork | i can afford a few extra colours. |
| 08:48.19 | foxlit | except for, you know, the good ones ;) |
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| 08:48.44 | cladhaire | yeah i'll buy some extras |
| 08:48.45 | cladhaire | gah |
| 08:48.47 | cladhaire | almost level 59 |
| 08:48.52 | cladhaire | then i'll be out of rest experience |
| 08:49.01 | Rabbitbunny | Wait. Whaty's the change to non-combat pets? |
| 08:49.14 | Rabbitbunny | I've got ~60. |
| 08:49.14 | MoonWork | Rabbitbunny, they no longe live in your bags |
| 08:49.18 | MoonWork | they are spell like abilities now. |
| 08:49.23 | cncfanatics | Rabbitbunny: they won't take up inv space :D |
| 08:49.32 | Rabbitbunny | Oh, hence he said 'mounts and pets'... |
| 08:49.33 | Vangual | grats on 60 inv slots :) |
| 08:49.36 | Thunder_Child | more fluff |
| 08:49.41 | Rabbitbunny | That will be awesome. |
| 08:49.42 | foxlit | Which raises an issue of what the heck I just used a riding crop on |
| 08:49.43 | cladhaire | fluff for you |
| 08:49.45 | MoonWork | Thunder_Child, fluff is GOOD |
| 08:49.48 | cladhaire | but people care about this shit :P |
| 08:49.50 | MoonWork | people like fluff. |
| 08:49.50 | Thunder_Child | FLUFF!!!! |
| 08:49.58 | cladhaire | not everyone plays the game for the same reasons you do, which is a good thing :P |
| 08:50.03 | Thunder_Child | true |
| 08:50.17 | cncfanatics | people play games to have fun, and everyone has his very own way to do that ;p |
| 08:50.23 | Thunder_Child | but at least i dont play it for porn so thats prolly a win |
| 08:50.31 | MoonWork | all those people that farm all the damn reagents for your pots / crafted gear / powerleveling professions |
| 08:50.35 | MoonWork | yeah, they LIKE the fluff |
| 08:50.42 | Rabbitbunny | Like messing with addons, collecting pets, and playing Auctioneer. |
| 08:51.07 | cncfanatics | messing with addon <3 |
| 08:51.10 | cncfanatics | auctioneer also |
| 08:51.11 | Thunder_Child | MoonWork, i farm all my own stuff |
| 08:51.12 | cncfanatics | but I'm not into pets atm |
| 08:51.19 | cncfanatics | I already lack enough inv space |
| 08:51.26 | MoonWork | thats something some hardcore raiders seem to forget, the economy is made up out of people mostly not hardcore raiding, |
| 08:51.28 | MoonWork | they like the fluff |
| 08:51.44 | Thunder_Child | i ma not hardcore either |
| 08:51.51 | cncfanatics | MoonWork: depends if you're self sufficient or not |
| 08:51.53 | Thunder_Child | actually except for the beta i dont play anymore |
| 08:52.00 | cncfanatics | though its true I couldn't do shit myself without all the casuals |
| 08:52.08 | cncfanatics | I'm a JC that gets all his stuff selling metas :p |
| 08:52.15 | cncfanatics | RED's sell so damn easy |
| 08:52.28 | Rabbitbunny | There are casual gamers that log on two days a week for five hours. They pay $15 for this service. Then there are raiders who log on 190 hours a week and pay $15. Where do you think the profit is? |
| 08:52.30 | abug | I tried to sell a run for the don carlos hat with the wolf pet for 25g but no bites |
| 08:52.45 | cncfanatics | Rabbitbunny: the raiders also get a lot more dev time |
| 08:52.48 | cncfanatics | shld take it into account too |
| 08:52.58 | cncfanatics | cuz really, bandwidth ain't the thing thats costly imo |
| 08:53.01 | MoonWork | Rabbitbunny, a week only has 168 hours. |
| 08:53.10 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 08:53.17 | cladhaire | lol |
| 08:53.20 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 08:53.21 | cladhaire | ^^ win |
| 08:53.23 | cncfanatics | lua> 24*7 |
| 08:53.24 | lua_bot | cncfanatics: 168 |
| 08:53.25 | Rabbitbunny | MoonWork: Raiders also spend 15 hours a day sleeping. |
| 08:53.33 | cncfanatics | I spend 5h a day sleeping -.- |
| 08:53.51 | MoonWork | cncfanatics, get some more, its good for you. |
| 08:53.56 | cncfanatics | not rly |
| 08:54.01 | cncfanatics | 1am->6am is fine for me |
| 08:54.02 | MoonWork | yes it rly is. |
| 08:54.09 | cncfanatics | I sleep more on weekends ofc |
| 08:54.14 | cncfanatics | but don't rly want to sleep more during weekdays |
| 08:54.25 | Rabbitbunny | seriously, the scientists figured it out. iirc 7-9 is good. |
| 08:54.32 | cladhaire | so someone want to write me an addon? |
| 08:54.43 | nevcairiel | wtt addon for beta key |
| 08:55.10 | MoonWork | wtb lern2count back so i can use it as an excuse for beta key. |
| 08:55.13 | cladhaire | I need something that sells shitty food, gear I can't or won't equip and that is soulbound whenever I go to the vendor :P |
| 08:55.26 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: giev |
| 08:55.27 | cladhaire | to accompany tekJunkSeller |
| 08:55.29 | MoonWork | cladhaire, theer is 15 of those. |
| 08:55.31 | foxlit | That sounds common enough |
| 08:55.40 | nevcairiel | "wont equip" sounds like a stretch |
| 08:55.55 | Rabbitbunny | iirc Lootfilter. |
| 08:56.32 | MoonWork | some parsing basedon item level and type could do that. |
| 08:56.59 | cncfanatics | ai'nt there a func for that ? |
| 08:57.12 | cncfanatics | the tooltip has to be colored red for stuff u can't equip, so there shld be an api call somewhere |
| 08:57.21 | cncfanatics | (or just parse & check for the red color) |
| 08:59.03 | cladhaire | i know it can be done, and wouldn't be tough |
| 08:59.06 | cladhaire | i just cba to write it |
| 08:59.22 | MoonWork | lazy fuck |
| 08:59.32 | Rabbitbunny | I need something faster than macros to get all my mail, Right now I must have 500. But none of the addons out there seem to do only that. It's like every addon gets bloated before it gets released. |
| 08:59.47 | MoonWork | bulkmail something. |
| 08:59.56 | cncfanatics | I use postal |
| 09:00.00 | cncfanatics | its not too bad |
| 09:00.01 | MoonWork | it takes stuff out your mail |
| 09:00.04 | MoonWork | thats about it. |
| 09:00.12 | Rabbitbunny | Do they do anything other than 1 click 'Get Mail"? |
| 09:00.13 | cncfanatics | Rabbitbunny: lots & lots of mails :p so much AH'ing |
| 09:00.25 | p3lim | I want a proto-dragon as a flying mount |
| 09:00.43 | p3lim | and a warp stalker for ground mount |
| 09:00.43 | Rabbitbunny | I've got ~600 auctions at any given time. Auctioneer is teh funz. |
| 09:00.47 | cncfanatics | wth ? |
| 09:00.55 | cncfanatics | what do you AH like that ? :p |
| 09:01.06 | cncfanatics | I have like 3/4 a day |
| 09:01.18 | cncfanatics | I'd have to do nothing else to have 600 at any given time |
| 09:01.22 | p3lim | i have 3/4 a year lol |
| 09:01.45 | Rabbitbunny | Yesterday I did a little grind for a fishing pole for a bit. It wasn't fun. |
| 09:01.50 | p3lim | seriously, havent put a single thing on AH in many months |
| 09:01.58 | p3lim | havent even looked at the AH in months |
| 09:02.03 | Rabbitbunny | I'm level 52ffs, I've been playing for ~1year |
| 09:02.07 | cncfanatics | well, the AH earns me all my money :p |
| 09:02.16 | cncfanatics | Rabbitbunny: get 70 ? :p |
| 09:02.27 | p3lim | youre lvl 52 and you have ~600 items on AH? |
| 09:02.38 | p3lim | copper bars? :p |
| 09:02.40 | Rabbitbunny | One of these days... Maybe when they give us bigger banks. |
| 09:03.00 | cncfanatics | Rabbitbunny: what do you AH & how much gold u got ? :p |
| 09:03.22 | MoonWork | Rabbitbunny, bulkmail also has an overview of everything currently in the mail |
| 09:03.22 | Rabbitbunny | Then I could be in a guild with other people, Since I wouldn't need the space. |
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| 09:03.47 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 09:03.47 | Rabbitbunny | cncfanatics: I AH stuff... I'm not gonna tell you where the gold is... |
| 09:03.58 | cncfanatics | Rabbitbunny: lol, sure :p |
| 09:04.00 | p3lim | just wondering how much gold you have |
| 09:04.04 | cncfanatics | I'm happy with my 150g / day earnings |
| 09:04.07 | cncfanatics | more then enough for all my pots |
| 09:04.11 | cncfanatics | and takes zero effort |
| 09:04.16 | MoonWork | BulkMail2Inbox |
| 09:04.24 | MoonWork | is ze name. |
| 09:04.30 | Rabbitbunny | right now I've got 2463g58s34c cash and ~700g(marketvalue) items. |
| 09:04.31 | cncfanatics | Mikk: cld prolly also do that, I'm a JC'er with most recipes |
| 09:04.39 | cncfanatics | just cba to spend time doing that atm, need to gear up |
| 09:04.40 | p3lim | thats not too much |
| 09:04.59 | p3lim | got 11k and two epic flyers |
| 09:05.08 | MoonWork | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/BulkMail2Inbox <- what it looks like |
| 09:05.35 | cncfanatics | I got like, 300g atm :p |
| 09:05.41 | Rabbitbunny | I'm not 70 Mr. "216g for 30min work" |
| 09:05.42 | cncfanatics | spending tons of gold on gems & enchnants atm |
| 09:06.03 | cncfanatics | Rabbitbunny: I kinda don't get the point of playing with AH pre70 |
| 09:06.12 | Mikk | Erm wai? |
| 09:06.21 | Mikk | My JCer is level 59 with 380 skill. |
| 09:06.26 | Mikk | Enough to melt anything =) |
| 09:06.42 | Xuerian | cncfanatics: Uh |
| 09:06.43 | MoonWork | melt it, melt it good. |
| 09:06.53 | Xuerian | lots of money to be made on servers with fucked up econs in selling greens that drop while leveling |
| 09:07.07 | cncfanatics | there is ? :o |
| 09:07.15 | Mikk | Even more to be made by buying them and disenchanting them |
| 09:07.18 | Xuerian | yep |
| 09:07.24 | Rabbitbunny | ...Do you not BtmScan? |
| 09:07.32 | cncfanatics | usualy not, no time for that |
| 09:07.33 | Mikk | Level 40-59 green disenchants is lots of gold |
| 09:07.40 | cncfanatics | I need to farm 740 badges by september |
| 09:07.48 | cncfanatics | so, I kinda focus myself on farming those :p |
| 09:07.55 | MoonWork | ... |
| 09:07.57 | Xuerian | what, 60 kara runs |
| 09:07.58 | MoonWork | 740.... |
| 09:08.03 | MoonWork | are you SANE ? |
| 09:08.06 | cladhaire | someone level my druid from 58.75 to 70 please? |
| 09:08.10 | cncfanatics | definatly not MoonWork |
| 09:08.13 | Rabbitbunny | Wait until you guys get serious about it and play with arbitrage, or hand write Fizzwidget because you want to see profits on _every_profession... |
| 09:08.32 | Xuerian | Rabbitbunny: impossible |
| 09:08.36 | Xuerian | engineering is money rip |
| 09:08.41 | Xuerian | like dividing by zero and adding infinityt |
| 09:08.45 | MoonWork | alchemy is pure profit |
| 09:08.46 | Xuerian | then throwing your gold in |
| 09:08.47 | cladhaire | heh |
| 09:09.01 | Rabbitbunny | Actually, On Firetree they all suck about the same. |
| 09:09.01 | MoonWork | they keep coming back FOREVER. |
| 09:09.12 | Xuerian | ugh |
| 09:09.15 | Xuerian | I can't be assed to level my alch |
| 09:09.37 | cncfanatics | lvl'ing alch to 350 took me 500g |
| 09:09.43 | cncfanatics | and I got to 375 by transmuting stuff |
| 09:09.47 | Xuerian | that's really not bad |
| 09:09.48 | MoonWork | cncfanatics, why did it cost you stuff ? |
| 09:09.57 | MoonWork | go out and pick plants. |
| 09:10.02 | Xuerian | too lazy. |
| 09:10.09 | Xuerian | plants are... out... there.. |
| 09:10.10 | Xuerian | Im... |
| 09:10.11 | Xuerian | in here |
| 09:10.18 | cncfanatics | MoonWork: it takes less time to earn 500g then to farm enough herbs for 1-350 |
| 09:10.28 | MoonWork | now yes |
| 09:10.31 | cncfanatics | and I had 375 JC as a second prof, didn't want to drop that :p |
| 09:10.32 | MoonWork | not when i leveled it. |
| 09:10.39 | Rabbitbunny | Check this out... [Netherweave Bag], mats worth 8g43s56c, bag sells for ~8g78s46c. With fees that's a loss. |
| 09:10.41 | cncfanatics | well, I took my alch like a month ago or so |
| 09:11.06 | MoonWork | Rabbitbunny, bags sell for 10 g on my server. |
| 09:11.26 | Xuerian | 6g. |
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| 09:11.33 | Rabbitbunny | Once I figure out how to track limited supply vendor items I might as well build an easy button. |
| 09:12.13 | Rabbitbunny | It's a 1.06% loss. I think the server is mostly 14 and things like 'math' are still hard. |
| 09:12.43 | MoonWork | this isn't math |
| 09:12.50 | Mikk | It's probably people skilling selling shit like that |
| 09:12.57 | MoonWork | its adding and subtracting |
| 09:13.23 | cncfanatics | Rabbitbunny: well, for some reason on my server |
| 09:13.25 | Rabbitbunny | Mikk: I blame Auc's default 5% undercut. |
| 09:13.26 | cncfanatics | I was messing with AH |
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| 09:13.29 | cncfanatics | and managed to double RED prices |
| 09:13.48 | cncfanatics | some idiots put em at 150g each anyway |
| 09:13.51 | cncfanatics | (I had em at 300à|
| 09:13.58 | Xuerian | cncfanatics: The dps of the world would lke to collectively say, fuck you |
| 09:14.01 | MoonWork | red spinals ? |
| 09:14.21 | MoonWork | as would all of the healers. |
| 09:14.23 | cncfanatics | Xuerian: /care |
| 09:14.30 | cncfanatics | MoonWork: RED is relentless earthstorm |
| 09:14.40 | MoonWork | kk |
| 09:14.41 | cncfanatics | Xuerian: I charged 100g cutting fe |
| 09:14.44 | cncfanatics | and still sold em |
| 09:14.47 | Xuerian | good lord |
| 09:14.48 | Rabbitbunny | cncfanatics: A buddy of mine set his undercut at 30%, because he 'Wanted to sell things really fast' |
| 09:14.59 | cncfanatics | Rabbitbunny: undercutting by 1c will sell it just as fast :s |
| 09:15.08 | MoonWork | and then someone else picked it p and solf it AGAIN |
| 09:15.11 | Rabbitbunny | Guess what my undercut is set at. |
| 09:15.12 | cncfanatics | thats what people don't get, idiots do'nt care what price the pay, they just want it NOW |
| 09:15.16 | cncfanatics | 0.1% ? :p |
| 09:15.22 | Rabbitbunny | 1c |
| 09:15.33 | cncfanatics | I always undercut bid & buyout by 1c too |
| 09:15.33 | Rabbitbunny | Who's going to pay an extra copper? seriously? |
| 09:15.37 | MoonWork | it only has to make the top of the list. |
| 09:16.19 | cncfanatics | I hope the people who were putting REDs at the regular price in the weekend don't during weekdays |
| 09:16.22 | cncfanatics | so I can double prices again |
| 09:16.25 | Rabbitbunny | lol |
| 09:16.34 | Rabbitbunny | they probably didn't scan all week |
| 09:16.43 | cncfanatics | well, they're idiots |
| 09:16.55 | cncfanatics | monday->friday REDs at 300g each |
| 09:17.01 | cncfanatics | saterday & sunday drop to 160g each |
| 09:17.10 | cncfanatics | and I didn't have money to buyout any of em :( had spent it all on enchants |
| 09:17.10 | Rabbitbunny | And that's part of the root problem, Imagine if NYSE let 14yo's in. Prices would be nut. |
| 09:17.23 | cncfanatics | NYSE ? |
| 09:17.51 | cladhaire | new york stock exchange |
| 09:17.54 | Rabbitbunny | ...New York Stock Exchange, It's the closest IRL market to the WoW AH |
| 09:18.20 | Rabbitbunny | NYMEX is a very close second. |
| 09:19.10 | p3lim | anyone know where the manabar colors are stored? |
| 09:19.32 | p3lim | http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 09:23.32 | Nom- | oh btw... if anyone was chasing some web apps, that's one thing i'm good at :D |
| 09:23.34 | pb_ee1 | lol: http://wowcompares.com/2438606/AddOns/Blizzard_GuildBankUI/Blizzard_GuildBankUI.xml?diff=2428278 |
| 09:24.07 | pb_ee1 | I think they should avoid comparing whitespaces or \r\n xD |
| 09:24.39 | Nom- | Perl, PHP, C#.NET, Some Java --- i got skillz... |
| 09:27.55 | Xuerian | Rabbitbunny: Aren't they kindof already nuts? Or is that just if you're into oil? |
| 09:28.02 | cncfanatics | Nom-: can you find me a web app that puts the microsoft website down ? in php please |
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| 09:29.21 | Rabbitbunny | Xuerian: They're sane compared to what they would be with Punkie messing about. |
| 09:29.48 | Xuerian | It'd be funny to see, though. |
| 09:30.03 | Xuerian | "Ahh to hell with it. LOOSE THE ADOLESCENTS" |
| 09:30.47 | cncfanatics | pb_ee1: thats just how diff works |
| 09:30.51 | cncfanatics | I doubt they do anything manualy :p |
| 09:31.03 | Rabbitbunny | MoonWork: Love it. Thanks. |
| 09:31.08 | pb_ee1 | Well you have some options too, in diffs ;p |
| 09:33.03 | abug | what are SummonFriend() / CanSummonFriend() for? |
| 09:33.05 | MoonWork | Rabbitbunny, np. |
| 09:33.33 | MoonWork | abug, feel free to speculate. |
| 09:33.45 | cncfanatics | abug: if you can summon in the current area maybe ? |
| 09:34.27 | MoonWork | maybe blizzard is making a friend summon system, that must be it, and then they are going to make an aprentice system, and that will be followed by granting your friends levels. omg. |
| 09:34.31 | MoonWork | </speculation> |
| 09:34.54 | cncfanatics | MoonWork: are you moonwolf or moonwitch ? :p |
| 09:35.08 | MoonWork | MoonWolf |
| 09:35.20 | MoonWork | isn't that clear ? |
| 09:35.21 | Xuerian | MoonWork: Sidekick/Mentor would be teh awesome |
| 09:35.28 | cncfanatics | MoonWork: quite |
| 09:35.32 | cncfanatics | just wasn't 100% sure |
| 09:35.51 | Rabbitbunny | That would be cool, Esp if I get acheivment when i teach them. |
| 09:36.01 | abug | I was thinking more like second life style summoning a friend to your position |
| 09:36.10 | Rabbitbunny | 'Acheivment: Ran 100 nubs through VC' |
| 09:36.18 | Xuerian | That'd be like EVE |
| 09:36.23 | Xuerian | Scout ship files in... |
| 09:36.27 | Xuerian | all of a sudden WOOSH |
| 09:36.30 | MoonWork | Rabbitbunny, that would be awesome |
| 09:36.50 | Rabbitbunny | I'd bring nubs as extra bag space. |
| 09:36.51 | MoonWork | we need those form shadowfang and stokades too. |
| 09:37.08 | Rabbitbunny | 'stay away from everything and pick up the grays!!!' |
| 09:37.51 | MoonWork | on my rogue i actually raced a 70 mage too the end of shadowfang |
| 09:37.53 | MoonWork | i won. |
| 09:37.57 | MoonWork | he had more downtime. |
| 09:38.48 | Rabbitbunny | lol |
| 09:43.02 | p3lim | is there any easy (or easier) way of adding "gradient" colors to a piece of text than this: http://pastey.net/92613 |
| 09:43.56 | cncfanatics | p3lim: WTS switch() |
| 09:43.59 | cncfanatics | (if it existed :p) |
| 09:44.08 | cncfanatics | s/existed/existed in lua/ |
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| 09:52.11 | Mikk | switch is almost a string of ifs anyway |
| 09:53.18 | MoonWork | Mikk, where did that come from ? |
| 09:53.26 | Nom- | lol since when do ret pallies have a 1 minute long cc on a 1 minute cooldown? |
| 09:53.32 | Nom- | forums are funny |
| 09:53.37 | cncfanatics | Nom-: they have ? :o |
| 09:53.39 | cncfanatics | linky |
| 09:53.45 | Nom- | no they don't |
| 09:53.51 | Nom- | there's some guy in the forums whinging abou tit |
| 09:54.00 | Nom- | I want the paladin he has :P |
| 09:54.17 | cncfanatics | gimme the link to the wine :D |
| 09:54.22 | cncfanatics | s/wine/whine/ |
| 09:54.38 | Nom- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8430145661&sid=2000 |
| 09:54.54 | Mikk | MoonWork: which? |
| 09:54.57 | Nom- | ok, to be fair, repentance is 1 minute duration except in pvp now |
| 09:55.02 | MoonWork | <Mikk> switch is almost a string of ifs anyway |
| 09:55.14 | Mikk | cnc said something about "WTS switch" |
| 09:55.23 | MoonWork | ah |
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| 09:56.14 | Xuerian | Mikk: Almost isn't convenient |
| 09:56.25 | Xuerian | Not to mention |
| 09:56.27 | Xuerian | stacking cases is nice |
| 09:58.04 | cncfanatics | "As a rogue, is your 1-2% more DPS than an enhancement shaman going to make up for his raid utility?" |
| 09:58.14 | cncfanatics | if that guy is only doing 1-2% dps more he needs to get SHOT |
| 09:58.15 | Xuerian | bahaha XD |
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| 09:58.34 | cncfanatics | "Did I mention shamans can polymorph like mages now? " just no |
| 09:58.42 | Xuerian | WE can hex |
| 09:58.45 | Xuerian | it's called BLIND |
| 09:58.49 | Xuerian | lol |
| 09:58.55 | cncfanatics | this guy needs to get shot |
| 09:58.57 | cncfanatics | blind ==== hex |
| 09:58.59 | Nom- | heh indeed |
| 09:59.07 | Xuerian | we get blind and druid shifting |
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| 09:59.11 | Xuerian | which is teh awesome |
| 09:59.13 | Xuerian | no more kiting |
| 09:59.14 | cncfanatics | "How about a balance druid? Crit and haste aura now. Insane damage and finally has the regen to last." |
| 09:59.16 | Xuerian | fuck frost mages |
| 09:59.17 | cncfanatics | regen to last ? where ? |
| 09:59.44 | cncfanatics | "hell even ret pallies got a minute long cc on a minute cooldown." where ? :o |
| 09:59.59 | Nom- | repentance is 1 min duration in pve |
| 10:00.35 | Xuerian | hooooley fuck o_0 |
| 10:00.38 | Xuerian | oh. |
| 10:00.42 | Xuerian | read pvp thar |
| 10:00.50 | Nom- | lol sif |
| 10:00.52 | Nom- | nah pve only |
| 10:00.56 | Nom- | it's 10 seconds in pvp |
| 10:01.00 | Xuerian | was gonna say |
| 10:01.04 | Nom- | # Repentance mana cost changed to 9% of base, duration increased to 1 minute (10 second PvP duration), now usable against Demons, Dragonkin, Giants, Humanoids and Undead. |
| 10:01.39 | Nom- | I'm totally drooling over these patch notes |
| 10:01.53 | Nom- | Probably be months before i get a beta invite tho ... always unlucky like that |
| 10:02.02 | Xuerian | lern2code |
| 10:02.33 | Nom- | It's finding something to build lol... |
| 10:02.47 | Nom- | I don't want to just duplicate something that's already out there... that's just cheap |
| 10:02.56 | Nom- | UNLESS that something is poorly written |
| 10:03.03 | Nom- | and could be rebuilt to be more useful |
| 10:03.36 | cncfanatics | Nom-: I did that a few days ago with instanthealth :p |
| 10:04.03 | MoonWork | r |
| 10:04.07 | Nom- | heh |
| 10:04.08 | MoonWork | sorry |
| 10:04.22 | MoonWork | i don't know why there was an r in my textbox |
| 10:04.50 | Rabbitbunny | Sure.. weren't replying to anyone... |
| 10:05.19 | MoonWork | no |
| 10:05.22 | MoonWork | i think |
| 10:05.23 | Cairenn | oh yay! they got tired of "looking for boyfriend" and "my teacher's sex leg" so they've got a new one "making love with my girlfriend's picture" |
| 10:05.43 | MoonWork | making love too pictures.. now that is disturbing. |
| 10:05.44 | [Ammo] | haha |
| 10:05.49 | Thunder_Child | who are "they"? |
| 10:06.13 | Cairenn | the keylogger posts that have been going on on the Blizz forums for, what, a month now? longer? |
| 10:06.14 | MoonWork | spammers ? |
| 10:06.41 | MoonWork | i think they would get more hits with, this link is not a keylogger, really, try clicking it. |
| 10:06.59 | Nom- | hmm i know what i want to make... if i can work out how... just a simple frame with the main pally tanking buffs... big squares to tell ya when you don't have holy shield a seal up |
| 10:07.17 | Lukian | Nom-, I think there's an addon for that already |
| 10:07.30 | Nom- | Really? I could never find one which did the trick |
| 10:07.33 | Lukian | I've also heard bongos has some nice colouring effects for that too |
| 10:07.49 | Xuerian | Nom-: It's good practice really |
| 10:07.56 | Xuerian | but PowerAuras does that pretty well |
| 10:08.00 | Xuerian | (on wowI) |
| 10:08.15 | cncfanatics | MoonWork: what is it then ? |
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| 10:12.36 | cncfanatics | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202537638&sid=2000 <--- GIEV THIS |
| 10:15.02 | p3lim | indeed |
| 10:15.21 | Xuerian | uh |
| 10:15.32 | Xuerian | Well |
| 10:15.33 | Xuerian | see |
| 10:15.35 | Xuerian | since blizzard are assholes |
| 10:15.39 | Xuerian | and ignore a 200+ page thread |
| 10:15.46 | Xuerian | requesting DIFFERENT SKINS |
| 10:15.52 | Xuerian | I just use a model change |
| 10:16.22 | cncfanatics | Xuerian: I honestly want other people stopping to say, damn tree form sucks |
| 10:16.30 | cncfanatics | so, being able to take forms of mobs like that would rock |
| 10:17.42 | Xuerian | yes it would |
| 10:18.46 | cncfanatics | Xuerian: lets spam blizz with mails for it ? |
| 10:18.50 | Mery | everybody would be playing a druid then i guess =) |
| 10:18.52 | cncfanatics | that way they'll so surely put it in *roll eyes* |
| 10:18.59 | cncfanatics | Mery: its purely estethic tbh |
| 10:19.02 | Xuerian | would try but ignoring 200 PAGES is pretty big sign of "FUCK YOU PLAYERS FUCK YOU' |
| 10:19.07 | cncfanatics | not everybody plays a hunter cuz they can pick their pet |
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| 10:21.32 | Mery | well I guess it's more of a PvP balance issue - when druids don't have a distinct look anymore most people will confuse them with pets/mobs, the "chose the model by quest" and only have like 2 or 3 is more likly, still won't happen |
| 10:22.03 | cncfanatics | quests is also fine for me |
| 10:22.13 | cncfanatics | but well, we're not getting em anyway indeed |
| 10:24.59 | Xuerian | Mery: Fuck that |
| 10:25.05 | Xuerian | warriors can be MINI SKELETONS |
| 10:25.08 | Xuerian | wtf |
| 10:25.11 | Xuerian | MINI SKELETONS |
| 10:25.17 | Xuerian | how is that harder to identify than a BROWN BEAR |
| 10:25.20 | Xuerian | or a GREEN TREE |
| 10:25.25 | Xuerian | <facepalm> |
| 10:25.53 | cncfanatics | Xuerian: lets start a 500 page fuck you blizz thread ? |
| 10:26.01 | Xuerian | that's pretty much what it was |
| 10:27.42 | Mery | druids already have 6 different visuals - other classes first please, I propose mages /runs away |
| 10:28.02 | Xuerian | oh |
| 10:28.04 | Xuerian | what's that? |
| 10:28.06 | Xuerian | you get gear? |
| 10:28.10 | Xuerian | six teirs of gear? |
| 10:28.19 | Xuerian | not counting rep sets |
| 10:28.21 | Xuerian | pvp sets |
| 10:28.24 | Xuerian | badge sets |
| 10:28.31 | Xuerian | Oh I'm sorry, am I missing anything? |
| 10:28.37 | Xuerian | Oh yeah, non set items |
| 10:28.39 | Xuerian | Oh yeah |
| 10:28.41 | Xuerian | WEAPONS |
| 10:28.41 | Xuerian | \ |
| 10:28.47 | Xuerian | with SHINY GLOW |
| 10:28.56 | Xuerian | can I make my bear ass shine? |
| 10:28.57 | Xuerian | NO |
| 10:29.02 | Xuerian | it's just this shit brown |
| 10:29.03 | Xuerian | always |
| 10:29.04 | Xuerian | shit brown |
| 10:29.21 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 10:30.08 | Mery | ok point accepted |
| 10:30.15 | cncfanatics | Mery: ty :) |
| 10:30.26 | cncfanatics | was a tad hard to get that point across :p |
| 10:30.37 | cncfanatics | anyway, dinnertime |
| 10:31.22 | Xuerian | Mery: Sorry, I get a little... easily... perturbed... when i stay up this late |
| 10:31.25 | Xuerian | in bot... |
| 10:31.26 | Xuerian | for three hours |
| 10:31.53 | cladhaire | those are the worst.. those runs you really know you should have gone to bed before :P |
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| 10:37.12 | Xuerian | Well it's beyond now, I'm just staying up |
| 10:37.22 | Xuerian | i'll crash in a couple hours |
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| 10:42.16 | nevcairiel | ah i finally got my authenticator :) |
| 10:42.27 | cladhaire | mine should be here today or tomorrow |
| 10:44.23 | Thunder_Child | Nom-, what about an addon that inserts quest names/levels into the nameplates of questgiving NPC's |
| 10:45.36 | Nom- | still requires having a decent database to begin with :( |
| 10:46.04 | Thunder_Child | needs quest invo on mouseover |
| 10:46.07 | Thunder_Child | info* |
| 10:46.46 | Thunder_Child | bah, all the better stuff i can think of has to do with 3.0 |
| 10:47.22 | Nom- | ya, and i'd be happy to port addons to 3.0 |
| 10:47.43 | cncfanatics | Xuerian: how can u be in bot for 3h ? |
| 10:47.47 | cncfanatics | the heroic mode is done in an hour :s |
| 10:47.55 | Xuerian | cncfanatics: Because our priest afk'd for about a hour total |
| 10:47.57 | Nom- | but gotta have an addon to get beta to begin with :( |
| 10:48.15 | cncfanatics | Xuerian: why the fuck didn't he get replaced after about 2 mins of afk ? :p |
| 10:48.37 | Xuerian | guildie |
| 10:48.54 | Xuerian | it wasn't as bad as I knocked it up to be, I'm a lock so I had fun |
| 10:50.40 | cncfanatics | if its a guildy he wld have gotten kicked after about 5mins of afk'ing then |
| 10:50.58 | Xuerian | lol |
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| 10:51.51 | cncfanatics | I can't stand people afk'ing in runs |
| 10:51.51 | Thunder_Child | are the default buffs in a frame? |
| 10:51.59 | cncfanatics | especialy as I'm on crazy badgefarm mode :p |
| 10:52.03 | cncfanatics | (need 740 badges by sept) |
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| 10:55.53 | Thunder_Child | Nom-, how about an addon that lets you move the indavidual buff icons anywhere you want? |
| 10:56.21 | cncfanatics | Thunder_Child: aren't there already tons of addons that do that ? |
| 10:56.30 | Thunder_Child | not that i know of |
| 10:56.36 | Thunder_Child | they are always as a group |
| 10:56.40 | Thunder_Child | not indavidual |
| 10:56.59 | Thunder_Child | individual* |
| 10:57.12 | Gnarfoz | Clam Master K |
| 10:57.14 | Gnarfoz | xD |
| 10:57.15 | Nom- | The problem I'll have is that I'm better at writing Library and non-ui type addons, so diving head first into something very UI centric will be a nightmare for me :) |
| 10:57.32 | Nom- | It's ok, i've resigned myself to the fact I won't get into the beta until like 2 days before it goes down |
| 10:57.52 | cncfanatics | Nom-: I never wrote an UI-type addon :s |
| 10:58.04 | cncfanatics | I hate any UI coding personaly ^^ |
| 10:58.20 | Thunder_Child | ok then Nom-, what about an addon that has a popup window that displays all of the important info from all of the diff tabs |
| 10:58.31 | Thunder_Child | char/rep/etc. |
| 10:58.40 | Thunder_Child | in one window |
| 10:59.07 | cncfanatics | thats nice |
| 10:59.09 | Nom- | like? |
| 10:59.30 | Nom- | hmm |
| 10:59.44 | Thunder_Child | all of the diff dropdown tabs in the char screen, all of the reps, all of the ... |
| 10:59.50 | Thunder_Child | ran out of ideas but i think you get it |
| 11:00.05 | Nom- | if it's something useful to someone, sure ... i don't know that making an addon that noone will use is in the spirit of it :P |
| 11:00.07 | cncfanatics | all of the *relevant reps* |
| 11:00.15 | cncfanatics | well Nom-: first of all |
| 11:00.18 | cncfanatics | write an addon for yourself |
| 11:00.25 | cncfanatics | if you don't, there will be absolutely zero motivation |
| 11:00.33 | foxlit | Hm, I don't get it |
| 11:00.38 | cncfanatics | just think of something you miss, and write it (or think of an addon you like but the code is totaly fucked up) |
| 11:00.43 | Nom- | I can't think of anything I need in an addon though.. I run so many |
| 11:00.56 | foxlit | I actually lose crit chance when switching to a weapon with more agility |
| 11:00.57 | cncfanatics | Nom-: any fluff you'd like that you miss in your addons ? |
| 11:01.09 | foxlit | while crit rating stays the same |
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| 11:02.57 | foxlit | and the answer, of course, is weapon skill |
| 11:03.24 | Thunder_Child | "Nom-: if it's something useful to someone, sure ... i don't know that making an addon that noone will use is in the spirit of it :P" but thats not something you will know untill you make it |
| 11:06.25 | Nom- | I did find one addon I'd like to improve... Demon... But it's all UI fluff, and I'm more backend code |
| 11:06.28 | Nom- | heh |
| 11:06.58 | cncfanatics | Nom-: what class are you ? |
| 11:07.09 | Nom- | I have 4 that I play |
| 11:07.13 | Nom- | Druid, Paladin, Hunter, Mage |
| 11:07.16 | cncfanatics | which one is your main ? :) |
| 11:07.23 | Nom- | hmm probably druid |
| 11:07.30 | Nom- | i am in transition from Paladin to Druid |
| 11:07.32 | cncfanatics | spec ? |
| 11:07.37 | Nom- | Resto |
| 11:07.55 | Nom- | Paladin is ret at the moment |
| 11:08.01 | cncfanatics | let's see |
| 11:08.08 | cncfanatics | are you content with your hot tracker ? |
| 11:08.17 | foxlit | Hm, 285/375 polearms skill |
| 11:08.17 | Nom- | Don't use one |
| 11:08.23 | cncfanatics | write one ? :) |
| 11:08.27 | foxlit | On the bright side, can beat on the same servant of razelikh forever |
| 11:08.53 | Nom- | Well, I do have one actually... but it tracks all buffs, not just hots |
| 11:09.00 | cncfanatics | ah k |
| 11:09.05 | cncfanatics | anything u miss on ur druid then ? :p |
| 11:09.17 | cncfanatics | thats the best place to get started for an addon that'll last and get maintained |
| 11:10.01 | Nom- | the only thing i can think of requires a lot of UI work (ie. making unit frames)... way beyond my capabilities at the moment |
| 11:11.17 | cncfanatics | Nom-: you know lua already ? |
| 11:11.32 | Nom- | just the basics |
| 11:11.34 | Thunder_Child | pfft, Nom- is a nub |
| 11:11.40 | cncfanatics | so is Thunder_Child :p |
| 11:11.45 | Xuerian | hey |
| 11:11.46 | Xuerian | foxlit |
| 11:11.49 | Xuerian | know what you need |
| 11:11.54 | Thunder_Child | true cncfanatics |
| 11:11.59 | Thunder_Child | quite true |
| 11:12.01 | Xuerian | the ability to click a frame and summon a oPIE |
| 11:12.02 | Xuerian | :P |
| 11:12.39 | Thunder_Child | THE PIE IS A LIE, but the default UI is forever. |
| 11:12.58 | foxlit | I need a better HP estimator |
| 11:13.39 | foxlit | My tracker and MobHealth seem to be less accurate in 3.0; seems UNIT_HEALTH is fired at a different time |
| 11:15.21 | cladhaire | foxlit: can you please add an option to NOT hide the aura/shapeshift bar in oPie |
| 11:15.25 | cladhaire | that made my baby jesus cry |
| 11:15.33 | foxlit | clad: just kill that ring? :) |
| 11:15.45 | clad|away | i couldn't see how to |
| 11:15.47 | clad|away | and what if i want both |
| 11:15.53 | clad|away | you shouldn't be making that decision for me, imo |
| 11:16.18 | foxlit | Right. I'm making that decision for me, you happen to be using the thing :) |
| 11:16.25 | foxlit | Thing is, it doesn't fit into options |
| 11:16.26 | clad|away | well, same thing |
| 11:16.30 | clad|away | i'm just providing feedback |
| 11:16.31 | clad|away | well |
| 11:16.42 | clad|away | rings doing "special" things like that amounts to problems, not "hidden oh-joy-features" |
| 11:16.45 | clad|away | imo |
| 11:16.49 | foxlit | It should be an option, yes, but it's not lib specific, unfortunately :( |
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| 11:17.25 | clad|away | I'm not sure what that means, I just know I download your addon and my shapeshift/aura bar is missing |
| 11:17.39 | clad|away | and i couldn't see an easy way to delete the ring |
| 11:17.45 | clad|away | perhaps I'll have to look again. |
| 11:19.31 | Nom- | gah.. the only thing i can come up with is making Talented work in 3.0... but i can't do that :( |
| 11:19.58 | foxlit | nah, you actually can't get rid of that particular ring |
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| 11:20.24 | cncfanatics | Nom-: personaly I'd just recommend with doing small cosmetic changes to your existing addons |
| 11:20.28 | cncfanatics | and fixing minor bugs |
| 11:20.29 | foxlit | I'm not sure about auras, but the shapeshift thing is rather evil |
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| 11:28.30 | cncfanatics | zomg, its Elkano |
| 11:28.55 | Elkano | zomg, it's someone who failed at svn commits ;) |
| 11:29.31 | cncfanatics | thats me :D |
| 11:29.33 | cncfanatics | gimme git tbh |
| 11:29.50 | Elkano | nah, do not want :/ |
| 11:29.59 | cncfanatics | why is that ? |
| 11:32.48 | Nom- | git ftw |
| 11:32.53 | Nom- | stgit + git > all |
| 11:33.25 | Elkano | why not hg? ;) |
| 11:34.04 | Nom- | mercurial looks good |
| 11:34.06 | Nom- | never tried it tho |
| 11:35.54 | cncfanatics | whats stgit ? |
| 11:36.00 | Elkano | though I was thinking wther one could adopt git/hg ingame for some sort of guild data system where every player has it's own repository but syncs with those from other players |
| 11:36.35 | cncfanatics | Elkano: look up nexus |
| 11:36.42 | cncfanatics | its under work, but thats close to what it does |
| 11:39.01 | Elkano | cncfanatics, all I fond was a entry on curse with no files |
| 11:39.25 | JoshBorke | It is currently being designed. No code is available yet. |
| 11:40.27 | Elkano | well, that's something I could say about many of my ideas ^^ |
| 11:42.20 | cncfanatics | I need to ask dashkal about it when he logs in |
| 11:42.23 | cncfanatics | I find it a quite intresting idea |
| 11:43.14 | Elkano | yeah, though he should simply write it as a library instead of inventing his own slang around it |
| 11:44.14 | cncfanatics | what I'd like is a library for a distributed filesystem |
| 11:44.19 | cncfanatics | can build anything on top of that after that |
| 11:46.00 | Elkano | yeah... my main problem was that there is no hidden space to use to store anything on the server... so you would have to give access to the guild text to everybody in the guild if you need to store something for all players |
| 11:46.08 | cncfanatics | not really |
| 11:46.18 | cncfanatics | I was thinking serverwide for something like this |
| 11:46.30 | Elkano | at least that's how groupcalender and those are doing it |
| 11:46.31 | cncfanatics | with added use of encryption for data not everyone has to be able to read |
| 11:47.04 | cncfanatics | (keypairs ftw) |
| 11:47.17 | Elkano | oh, so really go large scale p2p where people offer service for others like chord and such? |
| 11:47.27 | Elkano | (meaning that they store your data) |
| 11:48.28 | Elkano | my GL is currently trying to push me into coding synced notes for guild members that offer more text space than Blizzard |
| 11:48.30 | cncfanatics | was thinking of something like that |
| 11:48.42 | Elkano | that's why I was looking into that stuff again |
| 11:48.54 | cncfanatics | using keypairs it wouldn't be too hard to make things guild restricted |
| 11:49.01 | cncfanatics | or restrict em to only some people |
| 11:49.32 | Elkano | well, I don't know how easy it is to update data in such a system or having it removed from the environment |
| 11:49.50 | cncfanatics | well, its slow :) |
| 11:50.01 | cncfanatics | the more people it has the faster it gets though |
| 11:51.18 | cncfanatics | Elkano: but potentialy, if a lot of people use it it could be effective |
| 11:51.24 | Elkano | but serverwide it would require one of the chat channels for communication :/ |
| 11:51.30 | cncfanatics | yea, sadly |
| 11:51.55 | Elkano | or well, mybe it could be done totaly p2p via whispers ;) |
| 11:52.46 | cncfanatics | not really |
| 11:52.51 | cncfanatics | you at least need to know who is using it |
| 11:52.59 | cncfanatics | can't just send addon messages to everyone |
| 11:54.06 | cncfanatics | ~seen Dashkal |
| 11:54.08 | purl | dashkal <n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4h 16m 32s ago, saying: 'Cairenn: :D'. |
| 11:54.31 | Xuerian | could use small bandwidth probing, cnc |
| 11:55.32 | cncfanatics | Xuerian: what is that ? |
| 11:55.41 | Xuerian | small "packets" and cache results |
| 11:55.49 | cncfanatics | any links on how that works ? |
| 11:55.57 | Xuerian | i just pulled it out of my ass |
| 11:56.01 | Xuerian | any links would be covered in poo |
| 11:56.02 | Xuerian | sorry :( |
| 11:56.44 | cncfanatics | ~fail Xuerian |
| 11:56.45 | purl | Xuerian: FAIL! |
| 11:57.57 | cncfanatics | Xuerian: do you know if addon messages directly to another person pass through the server ? guess so ? |
| 11:58.16 | Xuerian | Odds are yes |
| 11:58.32 | cncfanatics | then a p2p filesystem could pottentialy waste huge bandwidth |
| 11:58.34 | Xuerian | seeing as if you watch netstat you won't see any other connections from wow but to your realm |
| 11:58.47 | Xuerian | depends on how big the "files" were |
| 11:59.14 | cncfanatics | well, it'll prolly mostly be used for text or stuff autogenerated by addons |
| 11:59.17 | cncfanatics | such as craftlists and stuff |
| 11:59.25 | cncfanatics | a "file" shld never grow bigger then a kb or so |
| 12:00.39 | Xuerian | doesn't seem like a problem then |
| 12:01.27 | cncfanatics | depends on how much people use it rly |
| 12:11.15 | Cairenn | p3lim: pong |
| 12:11.38 | p3lim | May I request a feature for WoWI? :p |
| 12:11.48 | p3lim | (atleast for consideration or something) |
| 12:11.55 | Cairenn | better believe it: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 |
| 12:12.03 | Cairenn | we have a whole forum for them :) |
| 12:12.52 | p3lim | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96799#post96799 |
| 12:14.08 | JoshBorke | p3lim: why wouldn't you store an archive? |
| 12:14.20 | Cairenn | it archives automatically |
| 12:14.26 | p3lim | i have svn |
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| 12:14.56 | JoshBorke | p3lim: that's nice, so do i |
| 12:15.05 | nevcairiel | the archive is not exactly for you, more for other users |
| 12:15.12 | Cairenn | yep |
| 12:15.24 | p3lim | well I dont like that people downloads old versions of my addons neither |
| 12:15.49 | p3lim | if there is a feature they dislike that got added I either have an option to toggle it, or I can help them remove it |
| 12:15.51 | Cairenn | so if something goes wonky with an update, they can go back a revision until it gets fixed |
| 12:16.15 | p3lim | if something goes wonky it will get fixed pretty much |
| 12:16.16 | Cairenn | and, you can delete your archived versions if you want to |
| 12:16.26 | p3lim | you know how crazy ive been at updating lately anyways |
| 12:16.28 | Cairenn | nothing stopping you |
| 12:16.40 | p3lim | yeah i just dont like it beeing automaticly stored, thats all |
| 12:16.56 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 12:17.33 | p3lim | also why I suggested an option, not a complete removal of the archive system |
| 12:17.43 | Cairenn | something we can consider though, will see what d.olby thinks (trying not to ping him, think he's finally getting some sleep) |
| 12:17.49 | p3lim | i do things my way, others do it otherways |
| 12:18.05 | Cairenn | *nod* I know, just explaining why we've got it the way it currently is |
| 12:18.16 | Cairenn | at? |
| 12:18.22 | p3lim | him actually in a bed |
| 12:18.38 | p3lim | (atleast i hope he sleeps in a bed) |
| 12:18.40 | Cairenn | heh, yeah, he's as bad as I am at keeping stupid hours |
| 12:18.58 | p3lim | im on fire, cant stop for sleeping now |
| 12:19.03 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 12:19.10 | p3lim | havent slept more than 2 hours past 2,5 days |
| 12:19.22 | Mikk | ... |
| 12:19.26 | p3lim | :D |
| 12:19.27 | Mikk | get. sleep. |
| 12:19.30 | Mikk | i'm not being funny |
| 12:19.42 | p3lim | oh i sure am gonna have a good nights sleep tonight, trust me |
| 12:19.49 | Cairenn | yeah, that's just plain nuts |
| 12:19.54 | p3lim | just not yet, that would ruin my sleeping hours |
| 12:19.58 | Cairenn | I've at least been getting 4-6 a night |
| 12:20.04 | Cairenn | err, day |
| 12:20.06 | Cairenn | errr, something |
| 12:20.14 | Xuerian | Really? |
| 12:20.14 | cncfanatics | same, about 5/day here |
| 12:20.15 | p3lim | i normally get 5-7 each day |
| 12:20.15 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 12:20.19 | cncfanatics | I don't usualy need any more then that |
| 12:20.20 | Xuerian | SOunds like a little less there Cair :P |
| 12:20.39 | foxlit | "They Stole Me Hookah and Me Brews!" |
| 12:20.45 | foxlit | finally, a troll with a sensible investment policy |
| 12:20.57 | cncfanatics | weed smoking & beer :D |
| 12:21.10 | p3lim | sex, drugs and rock n' roll ;) |
| 12:21.27 | p3lim | no wait |
| 12:21.27 | cncfanatics | s/rock n' roll/hard rock/ |
| 12:21.34 | Cairenn | Xuerian: well, I've been sleeping during the day since the key & contest stuff started, so that we've got the site covered 24/7 - but I keep calling it "night" because I'm sleeping :p |
| 12:21.45 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 12:21.54 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 12:21.56 | p3lim | i call it bed time |
| 12:22.08 | p3lim | cause it can vary alot at which hour i actually sleep |
| 12:22.20 | cncfanatics | its always 1am->6am here |
| 12:22.25 | cncfanatics | if its any different then that I won't sleep |
| 12:22.36 | p3lim | odd |
| 12:22.59 | p3lim | youre not the kind that can fall asleep on the beach, are you? |
| 12:23.23 | p3lim | (which i did, and it was awe(ful)some) |
| 12:23.35 | p3lim | sorry for taking 2 weeks off |
| 12:24.04 | cncfanatics | p3lim: I often sleep whenever I'm in a train/bus/ay public transport |
| 12:24.19 | p3lim | cncfanatics: so do i :) |
| 12:24.36 | p3lim | bus-home-from-work-sleep ftw! |
| 12:25.19 | cncfanatics | well |
| 12:25.28 | cncfanatics | I leave home at about 7 |
| 12:25.33 | cncfanatics | take my train at 7:15 |
| 12:25.38 | cncfanatics | and arrive at work at about 8:30 |
| 12:25.45 | cncfanatics | nearly one hour of sleep there :p |
| 12:25.47 | cncfanatics | same for getting back |
| 12:26.35 | cncfanatics | those two hours are prolly the reasons I don't sleep too much during the actual night |
| 12:27.13 | Cairenn | that's the same thing my daughter does going to Uni |
| 12:27.26 | Cairenn | gets an extra 2 hrs a day that way |
| 12:27.35 | cncfanatics | ya :) |
| 12:27.41 | cncfanatics | and as I hate wasting time sleeping its perfect |
| 12:27.45 | cncfanatics | nothing else to do in a train anyway |
| 12:28.41 | Cairenn | she's got it down to an art form, since she did the same thing for high school too - 4.5 years there plus 1 year of uni so far - her body knows exactly when to wake up so she doesn't miss her stops |
| 12:28.53 | JoshBorke | that's pretty good |
| 12:30.19 | cncfanatics | Cairenn: pretty much same here |
| 12:30.24 | cncfanatics | though stuff is changing a bit now so its anoying |
| 12:30.28 | Cairenn | heh |
| 12:30.29 | cncfanatics | (just finished high school) |
| 12:30.37 | cncfanatics | and now I'm doing a one month job |
| 12:30.39 | Cairenn | yeah, she hates it when the schedules change |
| 12:30.41 | cncfanatics | so hours are totaly changing :p |
| 12:31.56 | |pez| | luckily, if I didn't go off the bus at the school, the driver would come ask if I wasn't going off. |
| 12:32.08 | cncfanatics | haha |
| 12:32.11 | Cairenn | especially since now she has a transfer part way through from the bus to the train |
| 12:33.17 | cncfanatics | Cairenn: does she also do programming ? :p |
| 12:33.26 | Cairenn | no |
| 12:34.23 | Cairenn | she writes high fantasy based in ancient cultures (ie pre-feudal Japan) and is studying to be a cultural archaeologist |
| 12:34.45 | Cairenn | as her major, minoring in history |
| 12:35.15 | Cairenn | (yes, I'm a proud mom :p ) |
| 12:35.15 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 12:36.00 | cncfanatics | <- applied computer science starting in sept :p |
| 12:37.18 | amro | <- quitting uni starting in sept |
| 12:37.27 | Cairenn | amro: lol |
| 12:37.46 | cncfanatics | :o |
| 12:37.51 | cncfanatics | amro: ur done or stopping ? |
| 12:37.53 | p3lim | just loving the new looks of pStats |
| 12:37.53 | p3lim | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw15873.jpg |
| 12:37.56 | amro | stopping |
| 12:37.59 | cncfanatics | why's that ? |
| 12:38.03 | amro | our cs department is terribad, can't take it anymore |
| 12:38.12 | amro | and I'm planning to move to canada sometime in december |
| 12:38.20 | cncfanatics | heh |
| 12:38.45 | cncfanatics | I'm doing applied cs at a "high school" (in belgium; thats the same as uni but with more focus on actual business use instead of theory) |
| 12:38.49 | foxlit | erm, was that what your gradient if sequence was for? |
| 12:38.53 | cncfanatics | they have a pretty good reputation, so should be fine here |
| 12:39.32 | cncfanatics | p3lim: that does look damn nice |
| 12:43.03 | Stanzilla | p3lim: you should run the .bat file inside bigwigs.. |
| 12:43.29 | p3lim | Stanzilla: for the embeds? |
| 12:43.40 | Stanzilla | nah it just makes the modules LoD |
| 12:43.49 | p3lim | oh... |
| 12:44.07 | amro | it does format C: |
| 12:44.14 | Stanzilla | those 2.3mb you have there will be much lower afterwards and the modules only loaded when you are in the correct instance |
| 12:44.28 | p3lim | didnt know that |
| 12:45.00 | p3lim | bigwigslod.bat is a folder.. lol |
| 12:46.03 | Stanzilla | urm..no :P |
| 12:46.49 | p3lim | was for me, i downloaded the bat again |
| 12:47.01 | p3lim | might be JWU fucking it up |
| 12:48.05 | p3lim | 900kb lighter |
| 12:48.06 | Stanzilla | maybe |
| 12:48.27 | cncfanatics | p3lim: JWU removes bats |
| 12:48.34 | cncfanatics | well, it actualy makes empty folders with their names |
| 12:48.37 | cncfanatics | instead of removing em |
| 12:48.39 | cncfanatics | don't ask me why |
| 12:48.54 | p3lim | aye, seemed so |
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| 12:52.03 | alestane | Morning Peppy. |
| 12:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, alestane! |
| 12:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | Look at me, I'm a real employee and I have a real office now! |
| 12:52.37 | alestane | Oh? This sounds exciting. |
| 12:52.56 | alestane | I should have a interview this week, seems promising. |
| 12:52.58 | JoshBorke | Lopeppeppy: congrats |
| 12:53.27 | Lopeppeppy | I'll have my fingers crossed for you, alestane. *hug* |
| 12:53.31 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, JoshBorke~ |
| 12:53.37 | Lopeppeppy | ! even. Peppy can spell. |
| 12:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cairenn! |
| 12:55.39 | Cairenn | are they? okay |
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| 12:56.35 | alestane | Anyone know some free version control software for Mac? |
| 12:56.48 | JoshBorke | svn |
| 12:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'm "acting as if" in hopes that it will be, Cairenn. Power of positive thinking and all that. |
| 12:56.53 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 12:57.15 | Cairenn | I'll let you know if I agree after I've gotten some sleep :p |
| 12:57.20 | Fisker- | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/37602.html <-Duke Nukem wins again |
| 12:57.37 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't get much, which is half of my reason for being obnoxiously awake. *hangs head* |
| 12:57.47 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 12:58.17 | Cairenn | why couldn't sleep? nerves about new job? |
| 12:58.52 | cncfanatics | Lopeppeppy: whats your new job ? :o |
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| 13:01.49 | Lopeppeppy | Couldn't sleep, there were itchies in my brain or something. New job is the same as the old job -- making web sites, supporting users, destroying network servers with great abandon.... I'm just full time now instead of contract. |
| 13:02.03 | Cairenn | full time == good! |
| 13:02.32 | Lopeppeppy | full time = benefits, which is good++ |
| 13:02.42 | Cairenn | *nod nod* |
| 13:04.10 | cncfanatics | hmmmm |
| 13:04.15 | cncfanatics | lol at this guy that just called me |
| 13:04.35 | cncfanatics | he's a new client, and he just tried to make a transaction of 16000$ with a brand new card, and wonders why it got blocked :o |
| 13:05.44 | Cairenn | heh |
| 13:09.08 | alestane | So are all version control tools painfully command-line based, or is that just because it's free? |
| 13:09.38 | cncfanatics | alestane: git gui |
| 13:09.52 | cncfanatics | and stop disliking command lines, it makes things scriptable |
| 13:10.01 | cncfanatics | and also makes them faster then a GUI when you're used to em |
| 13:10.13 | alestane | cncfanatics: I don't dislike the presence of a command line, just restriction to one. |
| 13:10.32 | alestane | And I couldn't parse that first comment of yours. |
| 13:10.55 | cncfanatics | alestane: if you're using gui, type git gui |
| 13:11.03 | cncfanatics | thats the command line to spawn the gui tool :) |
| 13:11.10 | alestane | In svn? |
| 13:11.21 | cncfanatics | are you on windows ? |
| 13:11.25 | cncfanatics | or linux ? |
| 13:11.28 | alestane | OS X. |
| 13:11.41 | cncfanatics | there shld be a fair amount of svn gui's around |
| 13:12.05 | cncfanatics | http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/features/?sid=39c575234b4c4a539c5889eb024e6a17 something like that |
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| 13:12.39 | cncfanatics | alestane: http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/features/ is one of the os x clients |
| 13:12.43 | cncfanatics | there's prolly also plenty others around |
| 13:13.15 | alestane | That looks promising. |
| 13:13.28 | cncfanatics | I just google mac svn gui :p |
| 13:13.34 | cncfanatics | was the first hit |
| 13:13.49 | alestane | I was about to, but you got to it first. |
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| 13:22.49 | alestane | This looks more powerful than Sharepoint, although I know we weren't using all of Sharepoint's capabilities. |
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| 13:43.00 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 13:43.03 | cncfanatics | I'm way too white today |
| 13:43.55 | Rabbitbunny | You should play Outside(TM). I heard they having a tanning skill system. |
| 13:44.14 | Rabbitbunny | s/having/have. |
| 13:47.05 | Lopeppeppy | I got a nice sunburn this weekend, I totally recommend it for all redheads. |
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| 13:48.04 | Shirik | redhead with red skin |
| 13:48.14 | malreth | Lopeppeppy? |
| 13:48.25 | cncfanatics | I don't mean that kind of white |
| 13:48.35 | cncfanatics | I have white shoes, socks, trousers, tshirt :p |
| 13:48.51 | cncfanatics | my skincolor is fine actualy |
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| 13:51.13 | Shirik | !g SIG11 |
| 13:51.13 | batbot | Shirik: The SIG11 problem <http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/> |
| 13:51.32 | Shirik | oh |
| 13:51.35 | Shirik | that's just SIGSEGV |
| 13:51.39 | Shirik | wtf who writes it as SIG11 |
| 13:52.42 | Nom- | lol sig 11 |
| 13:52.56 | Nom- | segfault ... it's less syllables |
| 14:06.10 | malreth | Delicious bourbon. Brownest of the brown liquors... so tempting. What's that? You want me to drink you? |
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| 14:11.57 | Lopeppeppy | Yes malreth, drink me! |
| 14:12.13 | malreth | :o |
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| 14:12.34 | malreth | methinks my cup runneth over |
| 14:12.51 | malreth | ^_- |
| 14:14.50 | Lopeppeppy | Isn't that just adorable? |
| 14:15.30 | durcyn | alcoholism before noon on a monday is pretty cute, i gotta say. |
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| 14:16.28 | Lopeppeppy | Never know what time or day it is for someone else on the intrawebs. I thought it was cute that malreth paid me a pretty compliment. |
| 14:16.35 | Lopeppeppy | If it wasn't a compliment I'll beat him later. |
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| 14:21.25 | JoshBorke | Lopeppeppy: i want to tell you this as a friend. stay away from malreth, he's got a few screws loose, if you know what i mean |
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| 14:26.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I totally knew that, JoshBorke. Just because it's a nice compliment doesn't mean I'm bought and sold. :) |
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| 14:34.10 | malreth | I think everybody knows that about malreth by now... |
| 14:34.50 | malreth | oh... i gotta update my annual insurance enrollment |
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| 14:35.17 | cncfanatics | ~malreth |
| 14:35.18 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 14:35.34 | cncfanatics | purl, malreth also has a few screws loose |
| 14:35.43 | malreth | i gotta add a vision plan for my bride-to-be |
| 14:35.54 | cncfanatics | anyway, bye all |
| 14:35.58 | cncfanatics | done with work :D yay :p |
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| 14:43.56 | laeg | eu login server down? i can't get by the authenticating screen |
| 14:44.40 | Vangual | had the same an hour ago. just cancelled and tried it a few more times. worked eventually |
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| 14:46.41 | laeg | Vangual: cool we'll try that then |
| 14:46.45 | laeg | ugh eu forums are down also |
| 14:47.15 | Vangual | hmm yea, looks like there's something not so okay |
| 14:47.35 | laeg | Vangual: did you give it a few seconds to get off authenticating or... just it's usually instant from authenticating to handshaking or whatever's next |
| 14:49.01 | Vangual | it was 1) stuck on auth for 20 secs 2) me cancelling and reloggin in 3) stuck again 4) cancel and relogin 5) visibly skipped over the authenticating box on to the next ones (connecting, handshacking) |
| 14:49.36 | laeg | kk ty |
| 14:50.27 | laeg | a lot seems to go wrong with WoW |
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| 15:04.06 | |pez| | Sweet, a friend of the boyfriend dropped off a rather large box of icecream :D |
| 15:13.16 | JoshBorke | hm, who was it that was interested in a 'filesystem' in wow? |
| 15:16.14 | JoshBorke | |pez|: so of course you're going to destroy any evidence that it ever existed, right? |
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| 15:17.32 | tuxeh | Any idea why COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED triggers SPELL_AURA_REMOVED 2 times for Rampage? |
| 15:17.51 | |pez| | JoshBorke: I wont be able to eat it all myself XD |
| 15:18.05 | JoshBorke | |pez|: you could always hide the rest ;-) |
| 15:18.12 | JoshBorke | or invite some girlfriends over ;-) |
| 15:18.41 | |pez| | I... don't have any. |
| 15:19.06 | JoshBorke | well here's your opportunity to make some! :-P |
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| 15:32.37 | Nom- | tuxeh: Isn't rampage a stacking buff? |
| 15:39.00 | Nom- | meh so bored |
| 15:40.32 | Mikk | yes it is |
| 15:40.48 | Mikk | the stack count builds up, the duration does not |
| 15:41.15 | tuxeh | Aye, but when the buff fades I get two spell_aura_removed events for it |
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| 15:55.39 | Atriace | ~ping |
| 15:55.40 | purl | pong |
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| 16:08.21 | Nom- | so that's interesting... is blizz moving to a email/password system rather than username/password ? :/ |
| 16:08.30 | Nom- | Or is that just beta |
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| 16:08.45 | ckknight | Nom-: I think they might be |
| 16:09.10 | nevcairiel | They are moving to a "BLizzard Account"-dealy |
| 16:09.16 | nevcairiel | which probably will be global accounts |
| 16:09.22 | nevcairiel | maybe even global play for us? :D |
| 16:09.35 | Nom- | hmm interesting |
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| 16:13.52 | Nom- | I wonder if they're going to release before November this time... i hope so XD |
| 16:14.03 | nevcairiel | this time? |
| 16:14.06 | Nom- | My guild is already starting to wind down from BC raiding while waiting |
| 16:14.49 | Nom- | oh that's right... it was January for TBC |
| 16:14.49 | Nom- | :/ |
| 16:15.06 | nevcairiel | it'll be before january =P |
| 16:15.16 | Nom- | I'm hoping before November |
| 16:15.24 | Nom- | September would be nice |
| 16:15.38 | zenzelezz | I remember when 2.0 hit... when the top guilds reformed or spread across several smaller guilds to accomodate the 25-man limit |
| 16:15.46 | Mikk | I doubt september |
| 16:15.55 | Nom- | Yeah, my pre-BC guild did that too |
| 16:16.16 | Nom- | moved from 2 40-man raid teams in one guild to 3 smaller guilds.. eventually that became one small guild as people transferred |
| 16:16.25 | Nom- | Oceanic on US realm ftl |
| 16:16.41 | Seerah | My guess is after BlizzCon |
| 16:17.11 | Nom- | which is when ? |
| 16:17.18 | nevcairiel | decemeber imho, to make christmas |
| 16:17.23 | Seerah | October 10-11 |
| 16:17.29 | Gnarfoz | they don't care about christmas ^^ |
| 16:17.35 | Nom- | ah yeah... early October would be ok |
| 16:17.40 | Gnarfoz | and september is way too early... 1 month of beta? lol :> |
| 16:17.51 | nevcairiel | They'll do at least 3-4 month of beta |
| 16:17.57 | Nom- | a lot can happen in a month, assuming large changes aren't required |
| 16:17.59 | nevcairiel | which puts the release at nov/dec |
| 16:18.10 | Nom- | depends how close they are to what they consider complete |
| 16:18.16 | Gnarfoz | large changes are required. it's not even finished. :p |
| 16:18.22 | Gnarfoz | there's entire zones missing :p |
| 16:18.25 | nevcairiel | there are alot of PH and NYI tags in the game |
| 16:18.26 | nevcairiel | so i dunno |
| 16:18.45 | Nom- | oic lol |
| 16:19.00 | nevcairiel | (PlaceHolder and Not Yet Implemented) |
| 16:19.11 | zenzelezz | Wrath of the Placeholder? |
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| 16:19.45 | nevcairiel | My guess is still early dec |
| 16:19.48 | Nom- | It's kind of painful that my guild is already in Waiting on Lich King mode |
| 16:19.49 | nevcairiel | or around that time, anyway |
| 16:20.07 | zenzelezz | Nom-: done farming Sunwell? |
| 16:20.11 | Nom- | That's one of the reasons I wanted to get into beta... so i've have something to do for the next few months |
| 16:20.17 | Wikwocket | The Wrath of http://www.wowwiki.com/Captain_Placeholder ? |
| 16:20.21 | Nom- | zenzelezz: Noone can be bothered any more it seems |
| 16:20.38 | zenzelezz | Nom-: but you did clear it? |
| 16:20.41 | Nom- | We finally got BT cleared, and no more raids since it was cleared |
| 16:20.48 | zenzelezz | oh |
| 16:21.15 | zenzelezz | my guild was still at 1/1/1/3 Naxxramas when 2.0 hit, and for some reason they decided to stop going until BC |
| 16:21.32 | Nom- | Yeah, my guild pre-BC did that too... |
| 16:21.38 | nevcairiel | once 2.0 hit we really didnt do much either |
| 16:21.41 | Nom- | Except we were only on AQ40 and BWL |
| 16:21.42 | nevcairiel | but that was only a month |
| 16:21.45 | nevcairiel | and not 4 month =P |
| 16:22.04 | nevcairiel | already stopping now is stupid |
| 16:22.04 | zenzelezz | in the period from 2.0 till BC, my guild did... Taerar. Once. |
| 16:22.16 | Nom- | We did a MC pug |
| 16:22.19 | Nom- | that was about it |
| 16:22.21 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 16:23.31 | zenzelezz | wonder if I can get my 27 tauren warrior to 70 before WotLK... or if I need to stick to my old human one |
| 16:23.33 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 16:23.54 | Nom- | I wouldn't mind heading to BlizzCon for once XD |
| 16:25.22 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Ping |
| 16:25.23 | Nom- | hmm $3k |
| 16:25.29 | Nom- | ouchies |
| 16:27.58 | Nom- | lol wtf |
| 16:28.20 | Nom- | VISIT: Austra> Singapore > France > Los Angeles > Australia = $2446 |
| 16:28.22 | Seerah | ??? |
| 16:28.23 | |Jelly| | Ok so I probably don't need Shirik for this. I [finally] downloaded the WoWI Updater and well, am concerned that I'm going to have to go through every one of my addons (including those that I downloaded at WoWI.com) and manually look them all up on WoWI for the ID. Is this true or am I missing something? |
| 16:28.32 | Nom- | but to get a ticket to LA and back is $3k min |
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| 16:29.41 | Seerah | |Jelly|: if, for some reason, the updater can't determine which addon in your favorites is which on the site, then you'll need to go though and confirm. It will be like that until Shirik gets through with the rewrite, I'm afraid |
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| 16:30.01 | physh | Hey there. I want to build my own unit frames and i' |
| 16:30.15 | physh | ve inherited from SecureUnitButtonTemplate |
| 16:30.17 | |Jelly| | Seerah: I have 248 addons. /facepalmwalldoorknob |
| 16:30.35 | physh | but the problem is how can i open the default popup on right click? |
| 16:30.40 | Nom- | I have 360 |
| 16:30.43 | Nom- | :D |
| 16:31.18 | |Jelly| | That wasn't an e-peen comment, Nom; I was simply /facepalm-ing at the fact that it seems I'm going to have to manually look them all up. :( |
| 16:31.30 | Nom- | hehe |
| 16:32.17 | Seerah | it's supposed to work with your favorites list.... hmm |
| 16:32.47 | |Jelly| | Well, considerfing 99.5% of them are from the WAU, I never set up a Favroties list :( |
| 16:32.47 | Nom- | hmm i'm liking this idea... i could time a nice round the world trip so i land in LA in time for BlizzCon ... now... can I save $10k before October *ponder* |
| 16:32.48 | Seerah | I, honestly, haven't used it since initial testing because I'm always at the site anyway to see updates |
| 16:33.00 | |Jelly| | s/Favroties/Favorites/ |
| 16:33.32 | |Jelly| | Eh; I'll do this ... later. lol |
| 16:33.46 | Seerah | |Jelly|: you should set up favorites :) It'll alert you on the community tab when some are updated and there's even an option to email you |
| 16:34.20 | Josh_Borke | favorites is <3 |
| 16:35.03 | Seerah | agreed |
| 16:35.07 | |Jelly| | Will it scan my Addons Folder and compare it to WoWI? :P |
| 16:35.09 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.46 | Seerah | favorites? no :P |
| 16:36.27 | |Jelly| | Be careful doing that -- you never know what some people may like. |
| 16:37.07 | Seerah | hehe |
| 16:38.17 | ckknight | ...do it again. |
| 16:38.34 | |Jelly| | and again and again and again? |
| 16:39.46 | |Jelly| | :) |
| 16:40.09 | Josh_Borke | what, two women whipping each other? |
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| 16:47.09 | mikma | hmmmmm |
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| 16:51.35 | Nom- | Anyone here tried alpha/beta with GeForce 7600 (or somewhere around there) ? |
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| 16:52.45 | Nom- | wondering if i need to get a new vid card in the next few months heh |
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| 17:03.10 | krka | Nom-: i have a geforce 7600 GS |
| 17:03.35 | krka | runs wow just fine |
| 17:03.50 | krka | of course, i have pretty much everything set to low anyway :) |
| 17:05.00 | Adys | getting a 86xx-88xx would be a good investment for wotlk |
| 17:05.09 | Adys | not that it's necessary but because its worth it :) |
| 17:06.07 | krka | paah, there are always better to wait for newer stuff |
| 17:06.33 | krka | never upgrade until you really really really need it :) |
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| 17:07.09 | Adys | its really, really worth it :) |
| 17:07.38 | Adys | besides the 88xx are solid its not like they'll last 4 months |
| 17:08.36 | krka | but they will drop in price over a few monthsp erhaps |
| 17:08.50 | foxlit | Adys: pick a suffix! |
| 17:09.06 | Adys | ? |
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| 17:09.16 | foxlit | 86xx-88xx YY |
| 17:09.41 | zenzelezz | GTS should be enough |
| 17:09.57 | Adys | aye |
| 17:10.03 | Adys | dont get a gt tho |
| 17:10.12 | foxlit | so, 8600gts? |
| 17:10.38 | Adys | thats what I use, its solid enough to handle along with 2gib ram all details max, aa 4x under opengl |
| 17:10.42 | zenzelezz | I'd go for a 8800 GTS unless you're real tight on money, they're very cheap these days |
| 17:11.06 | foxlit | If your prices are anything like mine, I'd look into R4850 instead of 8800 GTS |
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| 17:11.25 | foxlit | 8600GTS is cheap, though, and it runs... somewhat okay :) |
| 17:12.01 | Adys | it runs all details max 20-120 fps depending on areas foxlit |
| 17:12.11 | Adys | somewhat okay is total bollox :P |
| 17:12.30 | foxlit | I have the card, I'm familiar with the framerates :) |
| 17:12.30 | zenzelezz | the 8800 GTS is around $300 here these days |
| 17:12.37 | Kirov | geekgasm - http://gizmodo.com/5029479/tron-2-trailer-video-makes-pants-wet-worldwide |
| 17:12.40 | foxlit | Some spell effects kill it utterly |
| 17:14.25 | Kirov | zenzelezz - why is it so expensive where you are? tariffs? |
| 17:14.45 | zenzelezz | my country is expensive, period. But compared to what they used to cost, it's "cheap" now |
| 17:15.54 | Kirov | Electroics are expensive everywhere but the asian countries (around cities) and the US |
| 17:16.07 | foxlit | 25% VAT == hey, prices! |
| 17:20.34 | Wikwocket | Kirov: I won't lie, that trailer is pretty hot |
| 17:20.41 | Wikwocket | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.50 | Kirov | hmm... VAT is at 25% in a bunch of places now. That's kind of sucky. |
| 17:21.15 | Kirov | Wikwocket - aye |
| 17:25.55 | Kirov | Random Trivia Fact - The original Tron never won a oscar for special effects because it was barred from even being nominated. Reason? It was ruled that it cheated because it used computers. |
| 17:26.11 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 17:26.12 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:26.16 | Wikwocket | ... |
| 17:26.22 | Wikwocket | hax, I guess |
| 17:27.04 | Wikwocket | movie awards are so arbitrary anyway :) |
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| 17:30.20 | Kirov | It took 7 more years before they accepted CG as not cheating. |
| 17:31.06 | Kirov | (When The Abyss won, in part because of it's cg water creature) |
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| 17:42.21 | cheesepls | hey |
| 17:42.40 | cheesepls | wow-eu webby down?? |
| 17:43.32 | zenzelezz | "HTTP Status 500 - " it seems so |
| 17:44.02 | cheesepls | wanted to check as my internets been a bit 'odd' today |
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| 17:54.21 | Shirik | unless you're in a proxied environment, cheesepls, you won't get a 400/500 error as a result of your internet being broken :P |
| 17:54.49 | cheesepls | well after today i was thkninh maybe anything was possible |
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| 17:58.45 | Wikwocket | Does anyone know if the wowinterface.com website was all custom coded, or if it is based on a CMS of some sort? |
| 17:59.39 | Kirov | ping Dolby |
| 17:59.40 | Dashkal | I know it won't be there, yet I keep hammering on my refresh button on gmail :p |
| 17:59.55 | Vangual | Wikwocket: it's mostly vbulletin with quite a lot of custom code from the looks |
| 18:01.07 | Wikwocket | vbulletin? really? I thought that was just a forum |
| 18:01.15 | Vangual | it is |
| 18:01.43 | Wikwocket | Ah, so the file submission and approval bits are likely all custom |
| 18:02.12 | Vangual | they were likely based on some vbulletin file cabinet plugin initially but are heavily custom by now |
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| 18:03.09 | Wikwocket | Yeah... I will be programming a site where users can submit stories, then an admin needs to approve them before they go live, I was hoping there was a package I could use somewhere |
| 18:04.08 | NightHawkTheSane | There's few things more disgusting than 3/4 of a piece of pie, and THEN seeing some mold on the last quarter. |
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| 18:11.02 | Cralor` | Dolby: ping |
| 18:11.14 | |Jelly| | Shirik: PING! |
| 18:11.31 | Dolby | ? |
| 18:11.39 | Shirik | |Jelly|: pong |
| 18:11.49 | Cralor` | Dolby: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96823 - ok? |
| 18:11.51 | malreth | malreth: ping! |
| 18:11.53 | Shirik | ~tackle |Jelly| |
| 18:11.54 | purl | ACTION tackles |Jelly| to the ground. |
| 18:11.56 | malreth | pong |
| 18:12.14 | |Jelly| | So Shirik, wanna make it so I don't have to look up EVERY ONE of my mods on the WoWI Updater? :P |
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| 18:12.23 | Shirik | use wowi favorites |
| 18:12.25 | zenzelezz | "I\'m Back" -- does WoWI forget to stripslashes() the "Portal News" on the community site? |
| 18:12.25 | Shirik | problem solved |
| 18:12.34 | |Jelly| | You're killing my inner child, Shirik. |
| 18:12.36 | Dolby | already on it |
| 18:12.44 | Shirik | |Jelly|, I'm working on a smarter alternative |
| 18:12.44 | Dolby | but report works better |
| 18:12.48 | Dolby | :) |
| 18:12.49 | Cralor` | Dolby: i did ;) |
| 18:12.52 | |Jelly| | MY INNER CHILD IS DYING! |
| 18:12.57 | Cralor` | Dolby: but i knew you'd be here |
| 18:13.09 | Shirik | Dolby is always here, watching over us |
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| 18:13.13 | Dolby | normally I'm not |
| 18:13.14 | Shirik | you know why? |
| 18:13.17 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.24 | Shirik | Well I won't say why, but Dolby knows who he is |
| 18:13.44 | mikma | omagad shirik has ops |
| 18:13.58 | Shirik | Shirik has had ops for like.... at least 6 months |
| 18:14.26 | mikma | i haven't been around much |
| 18:14.35 | Shirik | It's ok, you can just say you ignore me |
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| 18:15.23 | mikma | shuss, Fisker- arrived |
| 18:18.56 | |Jelly| | http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=76137 WTB ... colder weather. :( |
| 18:19.50 | Dashkal | |Jelly|: um... wow. |
| 18:20.07 | Shirik | whimp |
| 18:20.13 | Dashkal | ~weather CYVR |
| 18:20.17 | Dashkal | I'll keep mine |
| 18:20.24 | Shirik | 30% humidity? |
| 18:20.27 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 18:20.35 | |Jelly| | http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=yuma+arizona <-- It could be worse but IMO, anything over 100 is pretty much a washup of "OMG HOT" |
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| 18:20.56 | Shirik | What is dallas, KDFW? |
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| 18:20.59 | Shirik | ~weather kdfw |
| 18:21.01 | Lunessa | station! |
| 18:21.08 | Shirik | whee |
| 18:21.09 | Shirik | I still know |
| 18:21.18 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ - I totally feel this way. |
| 18:21.24 | Shirik | your heat index is only 3 degrees above mine |Jelly| :P |
| 18:22.52 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: errm? Has the asshole of assholes found someone of interest? :P |
| 18:23.06 | Seerah | ~weather MEM |
| 18:23.07 | Lunessa | Meh, Fan crush on Felicia Day. |
| 18:23.18 | Seerah | boo |
| 18:24.10 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 18:24.21 | nevcairiel | ~weather EDHI |
| 18:24.50 | nevcairiel | damn that humidity |
| 18:25.26 | Seerah | ~weather kmem |
| 18:26.07 | nevcairiel | good that its already evening here |
| 18:26.12 | nevcairiel | and cooling down |
| 18:27.11 | Seerah | http://www.weather.com/weather/local/38120?lswe=38120&lwsa=WeatherLocalUndeclared&from=whatwhere says that it's 93 feels like 106 with 57% humidity. which one's correct? :P |
| 18:27.50 | nevcairiel | it actually is 93 |
| 18:28.03 | nevcairiel | feels like is just a relative index due to humidity etc |
| 18:28.20 | Seerah | I meant between weather.com and ~weather :) |
| 18:28.26 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 18:28.36 | Shirik | the ~weather is reported from an ATIS source |
| 18:28.43 | nevcairiel | who knows where weather.com they get their data |
| 18:28.50 | Shirik | weather.com is... their stuff :P |
| 18:28.51 | nevcairiel | the ~weather is airport data |
| 18:29.33 | Seerah | still... I wanna go home :P http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USMI0829?from=search_city |
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| 18:57.27 | Fisker- | cogwheel you troll |
| 18:59.15 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 18:59.16 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Fisker-. I hate you because you fail. |
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| 19:04.20 | TecnoBrat | what is the site that shows the changes to the wow API? |
| 19:04.20 | Dashkal | From the blizzard page for getting the client (I clicked digital download): Otherwise, you can Volver a the main Gestión de cuenta page by clicking the button below. |
| 19:05.12 | Dashkal | wowcompares.com |
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| 19:05.12 | TecnoBrat | thanks |
| 19:05.18 | zenzelezz | ahoy, peppy |
| 19:06.35 | Lopeppeppy | ahoy, zenzelezz. My iMac tried to kill me. What's a good Mac antivirus platform so I can kill it back? |
| 19:06.57 | durcyn | should be an osx port of OAV or Clam |
| 19:07.19 | Lopeppeppy | I was being sarcastical, but it *does* need an AV, and I have Clam at home, so I'll likely go with that. :) |
| 19:07.43 | Lopeppeppy | Something about the screen resolution or the window animation made me *violently* sick this morning, I fled home from work. Ugh. |
| 19:10.17 | Dashkal | Lopeppeppy: sick? CRT? If so kick up your refresh |
| 19:10.40 | Atriace | Lopeppeppy: say what? What's wrong with the iMac? |
| 19:11.02 | Lopeppeppy | It's a iMac, my first day with the baby. I'm not even 100% sure how to check refresh rate, but that's a good hint, Dashkal. |
| 19:11.16 | zenzelezz | LCD iMac I hope |
| 19:11.19 | malreth | iMacs have LCD screens |
| 19:11.26 | Dashkal | then definitely not what I was thinking |
| 19:11.29 | malreth | there is no refresh rate |
| 19:11.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, you're right, it's one of the desk lamp types. Damn it. |
| 19:11.52 | Dashkal | I know 60Hz on a CRT gives me a hell of a headache. |
| 19:12.00 | Atriace | Lopeppeppy: 60Hz standard on LCD. Though if you wanted to check, just go to System Preferences from the Apple Menu and open "Displays" |
| 19:12.02 | malreth | unless the lamp or inverter board is failing or something |
| 19:12.41 | Lopeppeppy | I was betting it was the window animation, and I'm very susceptible to motion sickness to begin with. But maybe the baby is fritzy all on it's own, that is also a chance. It's a hand-me-down, not new in any way. |
| 19:13.02 | zenzelezz | it could simply be the animations |
| 19:13.15 | malreth | there's not *that* many animations |
| 19:13.24 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter |
| 19:13.30 | zenzelezz | it's not about the amount, anything can trigger it |
| 19:13.43 | Atriace | Lopeppeppy: if the animations are making you sick, download TinkerTool and you can disable them. |
| 19:13.51 | Lopeppeppy | I was opening and closing windows a lot, learning how to install things, etc. But zenzelezz is right -- once you're triggered, you're greensick and it sucks. |
| 19:14.16 | Lopeppeppy | TinkerTool. *nod* I'll send myself an email at work. I wno't be turning that bastich on until Wednesday. |
| 19:14.37 | Atriace | ~comfort Lopeppeppy |
| 19:14.38 | purl | There, there, Lopeppeppy. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:15.02 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, guys. In spite of the whining, I knew if there were hints on how to make my Mac not kill me, y'all would have them. *group hug* |
| 19:15.22 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.23 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 19:15.44 | Duman | hmm |
| 19:16.01 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. *huggle* |
| 19:16.03 | malreth | now if only we could provide hints on how to make purl not kill you. oh, purl. ha ha ha ha ha [applause] [roll credits] |
| 19:16.20 | Lunessa | He's here all week. Try the veal. |
| 19:16.33 | Lopeppeppy | Purl loves me, and I love her. That ambitious a hug might make me hurl right now, but I love her! |
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| 19:20.46 | Lunessa | Shirik: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8429965235&sid=1 |
| 19:22.28 | Atriace | ~tickle herself |
| 19:22.29 | purl | ACTION jumps on herself, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 19:26.16 | sacarasc | crazy bot |
| 19:26.25 | Keias | purl is a girl you say |
| 19:27.23 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, why hasent anyone yet answered with "wow doesnt HAVE an updater" |
| 19:27.54 | Lunessa | Heh, it's about WoWI's updater. |
| 19:28.18 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, are you sure? it doesnt say that |
| 19:28.33 | Lunessa | I;'ll go back and read it in a sec. |
| 19:28.59 | malreth | he doesn't specify wowinterface's updater... |
| 19:29.11 | malreth | just the "WoW UI Updater" |
| 19:29.19 | Thunder_Child | ya, though i dont know if "??" is for wowi's updater |
| 19:29.28 | Thunder_Child | maybe they are the only ones that use ?? |
| 19:29.39 | Lopeppeppy | Should I poke him gently to be more specific? |
| 19:29.43 | malreth | he might mean http://wuu.vagabonds.info/menu.php |
| 19:30.21 | Lunessa | Meh, I based it on the thread title. |
| 19:30.38 | Lunessa | Perhaps I read tyoo much into it. |
| 19:30.53 | Lopeppeppy | Was still a good pointer, Lunessa. Make Shirik earn his daily cookies. :) |
| 19:31.04 | Shirik | I never get cookies :( |
| 19:31.05 | Lunessa | Wait, he gets cookies? |
| 19:31.07 | Thunder_Child | like Shirik ever GETS the cookies.... |
| 19:31.25 | Thunder_Child | see what you started Lopeppeppy |
| 19:34.24 | Lopeppeppy | All addresses get rewarded by cookies (although not until after Pennsic at this rate, I'm in Pennsic Panic mode) |
| 19:34.43 | Thunder_Child | ~dict pennsic |
| 19:36.21 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.pennsicwar.org/penn37/ |
| 19:38.00 | Atriace | wow... |
| 19:38.02 | Atriace | "One day, almost 30 years ago, Cariadoc of the Bow, the King of the Middle, got bored with peace and declared war upon the East, loser to take Pittsburgh. The King of the East read the declaration of war, filed it away and forgot about it. Time passed. Cariadoc moved to New York and subsequently became King of the East, whereupon he retrieved the declaration from the file cabinet and said, 'Let’s fight.' The Middle won, and Cariadoc ha |
| 19:38.14 | Thunder_Child | oh, renaissance fair, got it :P |
| 19:39.34 | Lopeppeppy | Um... well, sort of, Thunder_Child, but more. It's my first time attending, it will be fun. My first away from home vacation in at least 5 years, too. |
| 19:40.42 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, just messing with you, i can pass up an oportunety (sp?) to mess wuth people |
| 19:40.42 | batbot | Thunder_Child, nothing found. |
| 19:40.57 | Lopeppeppy | batbot can't speel. |
| 19:40.57 | Thunder_Child | opportunity* |
| 19:41.09 | Atriace | Lopeppeppy: Have you tried the rapier combat? |
| 19:41.09 | Thunder_Child | neither can i |
| 19:42.20 | Lopeppeppy | Atraice, I have a frozen shoulder, I can't really do much for combat without getting serious potential for lasting injury. I'm already half-broken. :( |
| 19:42.35 | Atriace | awww... I'm sorry. :( |
| 19:42.51 | Atriace | Though... what's a "frozen shoulder"? Literally? |
| 19:43.30 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. Um.... Stand up and let your arm hang down by your side. Raise it in a sweeping motion up above your head, through the full arc of motion. |
| 19:43.54 | Lopeppeppy | Now imagine that you can't even lift that arm to horizontal without serious nasty excruciating pain. That's my shoulder. |
| 19:44.15 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:44.15 | Atriace | Sounds like you have a chipped shoulder socket. |
| 19:44.17 | Lopeppeppy | I call it "frozen" because it gets easier recogniation, it's a problem with nerve damage and rotator cuff damage. |
| 19:44.55 | Atriace | wow, Lopeppeppy, my mother has the exact same damage. She got hit by a motorcycle years ago. |
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| 19:45.39 | Lopeppeppy | Atriace, drunken driver. Ckknight, don't you need those hands to code, or have you mastered typing with a pencil shoved up your nose? |
| 19:45.55 | ckknight | I only did it cause I care about you |
| 19:46.01 | Lopeppeppy | Why thank you, dear. |
| 19:46.21 | Atriace | that.... |
| 19:46.26 | Atriace | you– |
| 19:46.28 | Atriace | wow. |
| 19:46.32 | Thunder_Child | very Disturbing ckknight, thank you |
| 19:46.40 | ckknight | quite welcome. |
| 19:47.22 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 19:47.35 | Lopeppeppy | Glad to be an object of amusement. My scalpels have your names on them. :P |
| 19:50.32 | ckknight | ah, you're good people |
| 19:50.54 | zenzelezz | anyone happen to know if you can tell a Sony Ericsson K810i to stop showing smilies as icons? |
| 19:51.19 | [dRaCo] | if not, trash it ;) |
| 19:51.32 | zenzelezz | sadly not an option... but it will drive me nuts if I can't |
| 19:53.27 | Atriace | Zenzeless: Speak into the microphone with a soothing tone and say "Sony Ericsson, could you please not show smilies as icons?" You'll have successfully told your phone to stop showing icons. |
| 19:54.24 | zenzelezz | I'm fairly sure I found a setting for it on the K710i, but not having any luck on the K810i >.< |
| 19:55.52 | Lunessa | Holy Necro bumps day Batman |
| 19:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I login --> server dies |
| 19:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Within two seconds I was booted right back out. :( |
| 19:57.48 | Lopeppeppy | It's Monday, Lunessa, they're bored at work. |
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| 19:59.25 | Dashkal | why those forums don't autolock I'll never understand |
| 19:59.33 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, STOP BREAKIN TEH SERVER |
| 19:59.50 | Dashkal | if (thread.locked || thread.lastpostdate < current-date - 10 days) then do locked stuff end |
| 20:00.31 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8430305165&sid=2000#14 |
| 20:00.34 | Fisker- | he fails cogwheel |
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| 20:05.04 | Lunessa | So, a guy hands out his user id all the time. We all do. E-mail address = User Id 90% of the time. *sigh* |
| 20:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. |
| 20:05.30 | Lopeppeppy | I can see his point, but he can't see anyone else's points, which makes him someone I don't bother talking to. |
| 20:05.36 | Drundia_ | they should let us rename accounts |
| 20:06.19 | Lopeppeppy | They might yet. Until I see it live, I'm not getting too worked up. |
| 20:06.25 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, really? |
| 20:06.59 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Got AIM, Yahoo, GMail, or MSN? |
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| 20:07.27 | Lopeppeppy | Or at standard university account? |
| 20:08.51 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, yes |
| 20:11.06 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Yeah, so e-mail address = User Id. He's not wrong to want additional security, but he's fighting a battle the was lost in 1985. |
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| 20:12.12 | Dashkal | He has a point with the zomg all your blizzard games got hacked all at once bit. |
| 20:14.22 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, did i mis something? isnt the email as login just for the beta? |
| 20:14.44 | Lopeppeppy | There were quotes that it would persist after beta, TC |
| 20:15.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: noted |
| 20:15.10 | zenzelezz | persistence is futile |
| 20:15.15 | Lunessa | As far as I know. :) I wasn't trying to argue. |
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| 20:17.23 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: Apparently they want the email to be your login from WotLK forward. I don't have the link to the FAQ question but I did see that officially |
| 20:17.29 | Thunder_Child | ok, i see the issue, i didnt read the post till after i started in this conversation, ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 20:17.55 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, did they have an explination for it? |
| 20:18.15 | MentalPower | Thunder_Child: probably for a unified login in the future |
| 20:18.22 | Dashkal | not that I recall. I read the FAQ first before that thread. Waiting for a blue response |
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| 20:23.25 | Thunder_Child | hmm...anyone know how many of the '!@#$' types of charecters (sp?) can be use in blizz's PW's? |
| 20:23.26 | batbot | Thunder_Child, characters. |
| 20:24.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ! definitely can, so I'm going to guess the rest probably can as well |
| 20:24.53 | Thunder_Child | so, !@#$%^&*()?><? |
| 20:24.57 | Thunder_Child | can all be used? |
| 20:25.14 | cogwheel | It may only contain alphanumeric characters and punctuation‚ such as A-Z‚ 0-9‚ or !"#$%. |
| 20:25.22 | cogwheel | (from the PW change screen) |
| 20:25.27 | Thunder_Child | ty cogwheel |
| 20:25.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, no underscore? |
| 20:25.41 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, does it say if it checks caps? |
| 20:26.41 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, it doesn't appear to do so. :\ |
| 20:27.13 | cogwheel | nope... just logged in with capslock on... |
| 20:27.30 | Thunder_Child | fail blizz, ok thanks guys |
| 20:27.35 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: why not try a password and see if it takes it? :P |
| 20:27.53 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, to lazy, just bitching at that post |
| 20:28.58 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, this amused me, "However, not knowing the login name is much better security" |
| 20:29.09 | Lopeppeppy | Well duh. |
| 20:30.03 | Lopeppeppy | Best security is not having an account, by that measure. |
| 20:30.30 | NightHawkTheSane | security through 'screw-you-guys-i'm-going-home'? :P |
| 20:30.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. It's my ball, and I'm not playing! |
| 20:31.47 | nevcairiel | I has authenticated, i dont need your fancy passwords anymore! |
| 20:31.57 | nevcairiel | s/ted/tor/ |
| 20:32.37 | Lopeppeppy | Get more of those in stock and actually shipping, and I'll buy that argument, nevcairiel. |
| 20:32.45 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 20:32.53 | nevcairiel | EU store had some for about 10 hours |
| 20:32.56 | nevcairiel | then gone again |
| 20:32.58 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously |
| 20:32.59 | nevcairiel | but it shipped |
| 20:33.02 | Lunessa | Shirik: Win! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14650 |
| 20:33.04 | Lopeppeppy | To 5 people. |
| 20:33.22 | Shirik | Lunessa: ? |
| 20:33.45 | Lunessa | Your "Vista" post on WoWI is good. Better than mine on WoW Forums. |
| 20:34.10 | Yssaril | 2nd that even has pretty pictures :) |
| 20:34.13 | Lunessa | Screenshots, U haz dem. |
| 20:35.34 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:35.38 | Shirik | I wrote that up a while ago :P |
| 20:35.46 | Lopeppeppy | "Georgia peach scallops, for a limited time at Red Lobster" |
| 20:35.56 | Shirik | I also wrote up a post in suggestions forum asking for a UAC manifest for WoW |
| 20:35.59 | Shirik | don't know what will happenw ith that |
| 20:36.03 | Shirik | that's even longer though |
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| 20:36.56 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8402791267&postId=84019252921&sid=1#0 |
| 20:37.04 | Lunessa | Shirik: WotLK Beta installs in users\public on Vista. |
| 20:37.12 | Shirik | the program does? |
| 20:39.43 | Cairenn|afk | Lunessa: thanks for the poke of my threads on the blizz forum :) |
| 20:39.44 | cogwheel | Shirik: replied |
| 20:39.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 20:40.01 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: win |
| 20:40.26 | Lunessa | :D I'm always happy to support a good cause, especially when the actual effort involved is pretty minimal. :) |
| 20:40.46 | Cairenn|afk | *grin* |
| 20:41.35 | Lunessa | Shirik: Yes. The program offers to install in Users\Public so ... for NEW users, virtualization should be minimal. |
| 20:41.44 | Shirik | yeah, no offense to blizzard or anything |
| 20:41.45 | Duman | ~seen sixen |
| 20:42.08 | purl | sixen is currently on #wowuidev (1d 3h 28m 17s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 14h 30m 30s, last said: '~seen duman'. |
| 20:42.09 | Shirik | that's stupid |
| 20:42.09 | Duman | o.O |
| 20:42.09 | Duman | purl hates me |
| 20:42.10 | purl | yes. |
| 20:42.14 | Duman | haha |
| 20:42.20 | Duman | BWAHAH |
| 20:43.18 | Lunessa | Shirik: Yes, they should just bite the bullet and make WoW UAC aware. |
| 20:43.42 | ScytheBlade1 | They should just bite the bullet and stop writing to program files. |
| 20:44.28 | Shirik | Honestly, I don't have a problem with them writing to program files now |
| 20:44.40 | Shirik | It would be very difficult to change that, and it could break portability |
| 20:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ~stab Shirik |
| 20:44.45 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 20:44.46 | Shirik | If it were a new program, then yes |
| 20:45.00 | Shirik | For a program years since release, I can't justify it |
| 20:45.06 | Shirik | but they should make WoW UAC aware so it's handled properly |
| 20:45.12 | Shirik | it would take all of 5 minutes |
| 20:45.25 | Shirik | Maybe I'll just write a program to make WoW UAC aware |
| 20:45.25 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:45.55 | MentalPower | how would you make it UAC aware? |
| 20:46.05 | Shirik | All you have to do is embed a manifest |
| 20:46.06 | Lopeppeppy | Sensitivity training. :) |
| 20:46.10 | cogwheel | Couldn't you just put a .manifest file in the folder? |
| 20:46.12 | Shirik | You can do that post-compile |
| 20:46.23 | Shirik | Oh I never do that cogwheel, just out of habit. I forgot you could :P |
| 20:46.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I prefer the VirtualStore to UAC elevation. |
| 20:46.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Chew on that for a bit. :P |
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| 20:46.43 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: You understand the virtualstore :P |
| 20:46.46 | Shirik | Think of average joe |
| 20:46.47 | MentalPower | I prefer %appdata% to either |
| 20:46.52 | Shirik | So do I |
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| 20:47.01 | Shirik | But I can't justify that change |
| 20:47.28 | MentalPower | is there a global %appdata% folder? |
| 20:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | The "average joe" could be told to install addons to VirtualStore. Give him a way to make a shortcut, stick that shortcut on the desktop, and bam. |
| 20:47.41 | MentalPower | ie, one that can be used by multiple accounts? |
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| 20:48.07 | Lopeppeppy | I hate the UPS line, "out for delivery". Asshats. Just gimme my stuffs. |
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| 20:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: 100% agree |
| 20:49.22 | Hjalte | Does anyone else have the same problem as me with having their minimap change from square to circle, no matter what minimap addon they are using? Here's a picture of it: WoWScrnShot_072808_222149.jpg |
| 20:49.27 | Hjalte | uh oh |
| 20:49.34 | Hjalte | www.hjalte.com/WoWScrnShot_072808_222149.jpg |
| 20:50.59 | Dashkal | we should totally be able to bomb raids of the opposing faction trying to do him ;) |
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| 20:54.41 | Thunder_Child | can someone double check my math that it will take 3,488,077,118,214 years to brute force a 10 digit wow PW? |
| 20:55.43 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 20:55.51 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - it only takes me around 3-4 seconds to brute force my own password. |
| 20:55.53 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 20:55.54 | Kirov | ;) |
| 20:56.15 | Lunessa | Kirov does this mean you use brute!force as a password? :P |
| 20:56.29 | *** part/#wowuidev Olison (i=olison@fukdruidsgrr.org) |
| 20:56.30 | Kirov | Lunessa - how did you know!? |
| 20:56.41 | Lunessa | I r teh sykik |
| 20:56.55 | Thunder_Child | nvm, mine was to small |
| 20:58.06 | Kirov | I guess that's one way of getting my enchanting up |
| 20:59.36 | Lunessa | Heh, positive attitude, makes all the difference. |
| 21:01.00 | Fisker- | 5please don't nerf me Lunessa |
| 21:01.28 | Lunessa | Fisker-: Arooo? |
| 21:01.41 | Fisker- | you heard me |
| 21:02.44 | Kirov | One of the guys in my guild actually got hacked, lost everything on all of his characters. He came online fuming. Two days later he went completely blind in one eye. Basically he got so mad he burst some blood vessals in the back of his eye and lost his eye site for about a week. |
| 21:02.55 | Lopeppeppy | That's insanity |
| 21:03.08 | Lunessa | Oh man. |
| 21:03.26 | Thunder_Child | ok, really do need someone to check the math, 31,709,791,983,764,586,504,312,531,709,791 years for a 10 digit PW |
| 21:06.49 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 21:07.36 | Fisker- | lego is my friend |
| 21:09.24 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, at what rate? |
| 21:11.21 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it was 1 a second, but then i realised i dont know how fast you can bombard the logon server with attempts |
| 21:11.30 | Shirik | so it could be longer |
| 21:11.34 | Thunder_Child | though i think millions per second is out of the question |
| 21:11.39 | Shirik | and did you assume only letters and numbers? |
| 21:11.39 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, shorter |
| 21:11.52 | Thunder_Child | no, 10^39 is the base ammount |
| 21:12.09 | Shirik | 39? |
| 21:12.25 | Thunder_Child | 24 alphanumeric, 0-9, and the misc ones |
| 21:12.30 | Thunder_Child | that cogwheel posted |
| 21:12.38 | Shirik | so it should be 39^10 |
| 21:12.50 | Thunder_Child | damn, backwards |
| 21:13.03 | Shirik | lua> 39^10 |
| 21:13.03 | lua_bot | Shirik: 8.1404060851916e+15 |
| 21:13.15 | Shirik | not quite as long unfortunately |
| 21:13.16 | Thunder_Child | 8140406085191601 |
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| 21:13.31 | Thunder_Child | 260269787.356494302486187845303873 |
| 21:13.42 | Thunder_Child | that would be how many years @ 1/sec |
| 21:14.10 | Shirik | lua> 60 * 60 * 24 * 365.25 |
| 21:14.10 | lua_bot | Shirik: 31557600 |
| 21:14.14 | Shirik | how did you come up with that? |
| 21:14.25 | Shirik | it should be 8140406085191601/31557600 |
| 21:14.29 | Shirik | lua> 8140406085191601/31557600 |
| 21:14.29 | lua_bot | Shirik: 257953902.86941 |
| 21:14.36 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:14.39 | Shirik | sorry I missed the decimal point |
| 21:14.46 | Shirik | yeah, then I agree with you :) |
| 21:14.55 | Thunder_Child | and i dont do 365.25, just 365 |
| 21:15.08 | Thunder_Child | leap year ftl |
| 21:15.33 | Shirik | yeah I figured that was the difference |
| 21:15.42 | Shirik | I just missed the decimal point first so I thought you had some huge number |
| 21:16.30 | Thunder_Child | anyway if it can do 1mill/sec the time goes down by a bit, 257.9 years |
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| 21:16.47 | Thunder_Child | still, a lot of time to waste on cracking a 10 digit wow PW |
| 21:18.27 | Thunder_Child | however with a 5 digit pw it would take 90 seconds to brute force it @ 1mill/sec |
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| 21:21.00 | Shirik | actually |
| 21:21.19 | Shirik | I would advise stating "135 years" and "45 seconds" |
| 21:21.22 | cogwheel | why would anyone bother with brute force? |
| 21:21.28 | cogwheel | keyloggers are the way to go... |
| 21:21.29 | Shirik | since, on average, you will only have to go through 50% of the options |
| 21:21.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay, server *finally* died |
| 21:22.00 | cogwheel | imo it's silly to worry about brute force attacks unless you're high profile enough for people to specifically target you |
| 21:22.04 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, thats assuming 1mill/sec, i dont know how fast you can hammer the authentication server |
| 21:22.07 | cogwheel | (e.g. me) |
| 21:22.23 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: haha! /point /laugh |
| 21:22.33 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: your "green sex legs" post is still disturbing. |
| 21:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | ... erk. |
| 21:22.41 | cogwheel | >< |
| 21:22.47 | alestane | ...um. |
| 21:22.49 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I thought you liked girls? |
| 21:22.56 | Shirik | ..... |
| 21:23.20 | nevcairiel | this channel is on a new low :P |
| 21:23.28 | Lopeppeppy | Happy to contribute. |
| 21:23.29 | cogwheel | Shirik: when did you turn into Fisker- ? |
| 21:23.31 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, what did Shirik have to do with anything |
| 21:23.38 | Duman | yay world server |
| 21:23.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Here we are, found it! |
| 21:23.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202464871&postId=82016081374&sid=2000#11 |
| 21:23.47 | Lopeppeppy | [17:22] * Shirik brute forces cogwheel |
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| 21:24.14 | Thunder_Child | quite right, quite right |
| 21:24.36 | *** part/#wowuidev Malgayne (n=Malgayne@cpe-24-30-145-15.san.res.rr.com) |
| 21:24.44 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I came here for the "green sex leg" and I'm not leaving without it. |
| 21:25.11 | cogwheel | and http://www.wowitemcreator.com/view/238378/!@$_Leg.html |
| 21:26.20 | Duman | ~fail Northrend |
| 21:26.21 | purl | Northrend, you Fail! |
| 21:26.26 | kd3 | indeed |
| 21:26.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Log back in --> DC again |
| 21:26.38 | Duman | yeah |
| 21:26.40 | kd3 | it been like this all day? |
| 21:26.41 | Duman | that was short-lived |
| 21:26.42 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 21:26.43 | Duman | nah |
| 21:26.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Just in the past 30 minutes |
| 21:26.47 | Duman | it was great for a while |
| 21:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 21:27.03 | cogwheel | just turned 5:30 eastern |
| 21:27.04 | cogwheel | imo |
| 21:27.14 | Duman | btw are you on an alt, sbo? |
| 21:27.22 | Duman | once my warrior gets back on, I need a ginv |
| 21:27.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm alliance side |
| 21:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure thing |
| 21:27.29 | Duman | sboo ? |
| 21:27.31 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane is on too |
| 21:27.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Sbo |
| 21:27.35 | Duman | ahh ok |
| 21:27.36 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And you'll get any character that I control ;) |
| 21:27.48 | Duman | hehe k |
| 21:27.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I have Sbo, Sboo, Sboz, Sboat |
| 21:27.53 | ScytheBlade1 | And others |
| 21:27.56 | Duman | SBOAT |
| 21:27.58 | ScytheBlade1 | (On live) |
| 21:27.58 | kd3 | lol |
| 21:27.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. |
| 21:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Sboat. |
| 21:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That's my priest, and my priest is awesome. |
| 21:28.14 | Duman | :) |
| 21:28.18 | Duman | oh, I tihnk it's back |
| 21:28.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 21:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 21:28.38 | Duman | oh, I lied |
| 21:28.40 | Duman | lagging hard |
| 21:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Give it a sec more, still coming up |
| 21:28.45 | Duman | haaaaard |
| 21:29.00 | alestane | Yeahg, although it skipped a beat long enough to kill my Scroll of Recall. |
| 21:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 21:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd copy my priest over, but it's a leveling partner with a friend |
| 21:29.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Level 36ish priests aren't much use |
| 21:30.21 | Duman | heh |
| 21:30.52 | Kirov | anyone done any experiments w/ SetTexCoord to see how accurate it is? |
| 21:31.29 | Xuerian | Any good wow machinima lately? |
| 21:31.47 | cogwheel | Kirov: afaik it's accurate to double precision float values between 0 and 1 |
| 21:32.13 | Kirov | cogwheel - hmm, ok |
| 21:34.30 | Fisker- | bawww cogwheel |
| 21:34.41 | Shirik | "Announcing the First Coast Women in Aviation Chapter schedule for August and September – mark your calendars! Please note that our regular meetings are now the first Wednesday of the month at 6 p.m. We are a brand-new official chapter and we are seeking new members – come join us!!" |
| 21:34.46 | Shirik | Why am I getting this from my school mail.... |
| 21:35.10 | Lunessa | Shirik: Maybe they want some men to aviate them? |
| 21:35.11 | cogwheel | Shirik: would explain your earlier comment... |
| 21:35.22 | cogwheel | or yeah... how hot ru? |
| 21:35.25 | Thunder_Child | it is ours not to ask why, but to go and do |
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| 21:37.07 | Fisker- | so cogwheel |
| 21:37.11 | Fisker- | new patch omg? |
| 21:37.15 | |Yssaril| | so has anyone timed the flight from sunwell to booty bay yet? |
| 21:37.30 | amro | Kirov: those textures didn't work? |
| 21:37.38 | Thunder_Child | Kirov, whatever it takes to look good, and damn the resource use |
| 21:37.45 | Kirov | amro - I'm unhappy with them. |
| 21:38.01 | Kaso | the last couple xkcds have been pretty awesome |
| 21:38.06 | Kirov | amro - basically the ones that are in right now move too fast for my taste. |
| 21:38.06 | cogwheel | Fisker-: ? |
| 21:38.25 | amro | Kirov: do you have a link? i'd like to try them |
| 21:38.35 | laeg | has anyone got an alternative to MMB for tidying away our minimap icons? |
| 21:38.47 | laeg | minimapbag makes my system freeze every 2/3 seconds and i get erros |
| 21:39.01 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloGlobes.zip |
| 21:39.01 | Fisker- | the new beta patch should be rolling out soon :o |
| 21:39.14 | cogwheel | Fisker-: what do i have to do with that? |
| 21:39.22 | cogwheel | (in particular) |
| 21:39.23 | Thunder_Child | laeg, how tidy? |
| 21:39.37 | Fisker- | you're a screw |
| 21:39.42 | Kirov | amro - you can play with the playback speed of the animation with RedGlobe:SetRate(15) |
| 21:39.45 | cogwheel | no i'm a gear |
| 21:39.46 | laeg | Thunder_Child: tidy like moving them somewhere |
| 21:39.50 | Fisker- | :( |
| 21:39.54 | laeg | Thunder_Child: or storing them in one button that expands to them all |
| 21:39.54 | Lopeppeppy | No, you're a Cog, I'm a Sprocket. |
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| 21:39.59 | Thunder_Child | laeg, i use minimapButtonFrame |
| 21:40.03 | Fisker- | your name confuses and infuriates me |
| 21:40.04 | laeg | ty |
| 21:40.29 | amro | Kirov: thanks! |
| 21:40.55 | Thunder_Child | or what zoot has lovingly done to cogwheel in wotlk |
| 21:40.57 | Codex| | anyone have any idea why TriviaKiller isnt picking up TriviaBot anymore? |
| 21:41.56 | Lopeppeppy | Zoot loves me, thank the gods... *giggle* |
| 21:42.20 | zenzelezz | who doesn't? |
| 21:42.28 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. *blush* |
| 21:43.30 | Duman | wait, what? patch today? |
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| 21:44.20 | Kirov | Blizzard needs to update their site to accept flash 10 |
| 21:44.44 | Lopeppeppy | Or vice versa. |
| 21:47.53 | Thunder_Child | flash 10 needs to accept blizzs site? |
| 21:48.09 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:48.12 | Duman | server shutdown in 15 |
| 21:48.36 | Thunder_Child | stops* |
| 21:48.50 | Kirov | the item swap only effects casting, not channelled spells, right? |
| 21:50.21 | JoshBorke | pretty sure that is false kirov |
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| 21:51.47 | Duman | yeah new patc incoming |
| 21:51.51 | Duman | down for 6-8hrs |
| 21:52.00 | Duman | oh well, guess I'l be plaing on live |
| 21:53.28 | nevcairiel | i hope i have my key at the end of that =P |
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| 21:54.50 | |Yssaril| | wowi key request was sent in today right? |
| 22:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 22:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I should eat |
| 22:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It's been... at least 24 hours |
| 22:02.46 | Lopeppeppy | Me too. Toodles. |
| 22:02.54 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, go make toast. Now. *poke* |
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| 22:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:03.41 | Kirov | amro - did you check those out? |
| 22:03.57 | amro | I can't test it right now because X would freeze :( |
| 22:04.05 | Kirov | ah, heh |
| 22:04.17 | amro | i'll get you feedback when I do |
| 22:04.18 | Tuller | my only paranoia about a beta key is I used a plus address on my gmail account :P |
| 22:05.09 | Duman | tuller I use a + in mine |
| 22:05.12 | Duman | worked fine |
| 22:05.20 | Tuller | hurray |
| 22:05.31 | Duman | gmail should deliver w/ + extensions, too - at least, they used to :-D |
| 22:05.43 | Tuller | they do :) |
| 22:05.52 | Fisker- | haha |
| 22:05.55 | Fisker- | i sure told you cogwheel |
| 22:06.30 | Duman | haha |
| 22:06.42 | Fisker- | this is madness |
| 22:08.26 | nevcairiel | hmm this is handy, i didnt even know about the + extensions on gmail \o/ |
| 22:08.48 | Kirov | nevcairiel - yeah, only problem is it's not super useful since most spam people just strip it. |
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| 22:09.07 | nevcairiel | well yeah |
| 22:09.42 | cladhaire | also most websites don't accept + in emails |
| 22:09.43 | cladhaire | which.. sucks |
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| 22:10.18 | Fisker- | i've even seen some which doesn't take . (in the alias part that is) or - |
| 22:10.19 | Fisker- | :o |
| 22:10.23 | Fisker- | massivefail |
| 22:10.29 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 22:10.30 | Duman | clad: yeah I notice that, which is annoying |
| 22:11.05 | cladhaire | ?:[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+/=?^_`{|}~-]+(?:\.[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+/=?^_`{|}~-]+)*|"(?:[\x01-\x08\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x1f\x21\x23-\x5b\x5d-\x7f]|\\[\x01-\x09\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x7f])*")@(?:(?:[a-z0-9](?:[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9])?\.)+[a-z0-9](?:[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9])?|\[(?:(?:25[0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]?)\.){3}(?:25[0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]?|[a-z0-9-]*[a-z0-9]:(?:[\x01-\x08\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x1f\x21-\x5a\x53-\x7f]|\\[\x01-\x09\x0b\x0c\x0e-\x |
| 22:11.07 | cladhaire | 7f])+)\] |
| 22:11.12 | Duman | broked |
| 22:11.22 | Duman | oh, regex |
| 22:11.24 | cladhaire | :P |
| 22:11.31 | cladhaire | that's the regexp for RFC2882 |
| 22:11.34 | cladhaire | email addresses |
| 22:11.38 | Duman | yeah it's nasty ;-) |
| 22:11.39 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:11.45 | Lunessa | Double Cheese-Burger, Onion Rings, and a Large Orange Drink! |
| 22:11.46 | Kirov | It's also clad's wow password |
| 22:11.51 | Duman | LOL!!! |
| 22:12.01 | Tuller | oh man, that should be my password for something |
| 22:12.11 | cladhaire | i have some really good passwords |
| 22:12.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the regex for "Extended RADIUS Practices"? :P |
| 22:12.26 | cladhaire | my favorite is the one that has spaces in it |
| 22:12.30 | cladhaire | I <3 that password |
| 22:12.35 | Fisker- | ~kiss nevcairiel |
| 22:12.36 | purl | ACTION forces nevcairiel to give Pazza_ a big kiss on the ear |
| 22:12.44 | nevcairiel | ~kill Fisker- |
| 22:12.45 | purl | ACTION shoots a excited anti-neutron gun at Fisker- |
| 22:12.51 | Tuller | is the password space space space space space space space? |
| 22:12.53 | Fisker- | tonights patch better be good, etc. |
| 22:12.53 | Kirov | excited? |
| 22:12.58 | cladhaire | I have a 32 character one if necessary that i have memorized |
| 22:13.06 | Kirov | I don't want to be "shot" by anything that's "excited" |
| 22:13.11 | Fisker- | meh |
| 22:13.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a few entirely jibberish passwords that I use |
| 22:13.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 15-30 in length with symbols |
| 22:13.23 | cladhaire | mine are all gibberish |
| 22:13.23 | Fisker- | pretty much unnessecary |
| 22:13.30 | Kirov | All of my passwords are variations on 1234 |
| 22:13.33 | Fisker- | gonna sleep tiems though |
| 22:13.41 | Kirov | like 1234, and 1234 |
| 22:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, afk food! |
| 22:14.01 | Kirov | Sometimes I use 12345 to throw the hackers off |
| 22:14.15 | Rabbitbunny | Mine are mostly physics equations. Like solving for force, bu with the values I had to input at some point. |
| 22:14.27 | nevcairiel | you're a big meany Kirov |
| 22:15.09 | Kirov | nevcairiel - why thank you, glad you noticed. |
| 22:16.33 | Duman | I don't use 1234... I use one thousand, two hundred... err... wait |
| 22:17.21 | Kirov | There should be a list of the hardest to remember but easist to crack passwords |
| 22:17.27 | Kirov | like !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:17.42 | cogwheel | mine are all randomly generated, but I pick ones that are somewhat pronounceable to make them easier to remember |
| 22:18.01 | amro | I just use password |
| 22:18.03 | Shirik | I used to have a good system |
| 22:18.19 | Shirik | it would be based off the first day of the month and I'd change it each month |
| 22:18.23 | Shirik | but I gave up on that |
| 22:18.48 | Shirik | I wish all sites just started using RSA keyfobs, |
| 22:18.53 | Shirik | and you could use the same one for all sites |
| 22:20.31 | Duman | I used to have a cool passwd generator |
| 22:20.42 | cogwheel | Shirik: yes |
| 22:20.48 | Duman | it would use character combos that were 'easy' to type |
| 22:20.52 | Tuller | I just typically apply an algorithm to whatever thing I want, then maybe use that |
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| 22:23.16 | Duman | good lord the "ANY1 KNOWS WHY SERVER IS DOWN" posts make me twitch sometimes |
| 22:24.42 | cogwheel | why only sometimes? |
| 22:24.43 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:24.50 | amro | cogwheel stole my thought |
| 22:25.10 | Tuller | hrm... |
| 22:25.29 | Tuller | what if one would to say, pour a can of coke on a keyboard, then use that damaged keyboard to input passwords |
| 22:26.16 | Kirov | Tuller - you'd get a lot of 444pppppp |
| 22:26.18 | cogwheel | I'd like to see what one of those clear apple keyboards looks like with a can of coke... |
| 22:26.53 | Kirov | cogwheel - I think you've got a winning idea there. Beer-keyboard! |
| 22:27.22 | Kirov | Or one of those metal apple keyboards, flaskeyboard |
| 22:27.32 | Kirov | win! |
| 22:27.44 | cogwheel | eeew... keyboards are so dirty... |
| 22:27.55 | Kirov | Extra neutrition |
| 22:28.06 | cogwheel | might as well have a bucketbehindthetoiletgatheringdustandotherstuffforthreemonthskeg |
| 22:28.10 | Kirov | it's, um ... hardy |
| 22:28.25 | cogwheel | !lite beer |
| 22:29.00 | Kirov | and speaking of bucketbehindthetoiletgatherdustandotherstuffforthreemonthskeg, isn't that how they make lite beer anyways? |
| 22:29.08 | cogwheel | true |
| 22:29.32 | Kirov | I mean, how else do you make something that tastes like soap and piss |
| 22:29.38 | cogwheel | i wonder what would happen if they made beer with pure heavy water... |
| 22:29.55 | Tuller | science would happen |
| 22:29.55 | Kirov | cogwheel - you'd get Guiness |
| 22:30.18 | Lunessa | Light Beer - beer for people who can't handle flavor. |
| 22:30.24 | Kirov | (and a good explination for why the Irish are like they are) |
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| 22:30.53 | Kirov | beer - for people who can't handle their vodka |
| 22:31.22 | Codex| | vodka- for people who cant handle their rum |
| 22:31.37 | Kirov | rum - for people who can't handle their scotch |
| 22:32.06 | amro | alcohol - for people who can't handle their life |
| 22:32.24 | Thunder_Child | amro wins |
| 22:32.27 | Kirov | scotch - for people who can't handle their break fluid! |
| 22:32.29 | Drundia | life - for people who suck in online games |
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| 22:33.07 | Sixen | ~seen duman |
| 22:33.25 | purl | duman is currently on #wowuidev (8d 3h 20m 21s). Has said a total of 103 messages. Is idling for 10m 9s, last said: 'good lord the "ANY1 KNOWS WHY SERVER IS DOWN" posts make me twitch sometimes'. |
| 22:33.25 | Drundia | s/suck in/can't handle/ |
| 22:33.25 | Sixen | :( |
| 22:33.27 | cogwheel | hai Sixen |
| 22:33.34 | Sixen | Hai2u Cog, =). |
| 22:33.41 | Sixen | How're you today? |
| 22:33.43 | Cairenn | hi Mera |
| 22:33.49 | Mera | hello ;) |
| 22:34.26 | cogwheel | Sixen: wtb more time in a day |
| 22:34.39 | Sixen | Oh man, I whole-heartedly agree.. |
| 22:34.46 | Thunder_Child | thats easy |
| 22:34.54 | Drundia | luckily earth slowly slows down spinning |
| 22:35.57 | Kirov | westernly flying super sonic round the world plane flight == win! |
| 22:36.39 | Kirov | All you need is an SR-71, a couple of DC-10s and a good satellite connection... infinite daytime! |
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| 22:37.03 | Kirov | Northern Canada is another option. |
| 22:37.11 | Kirov | But it's not as awesome. |
| 22:37.20 | cogwheel | Kirov: i don't care about light |
| 22:37.22 | cogwheel | just date |
| 22:38.12 | Kirov | Might I suggest moving to neptune then? |
| 22:38.57 | Kirov | Assuming you equate a day to 1/365ths of a revolution around the sun |
| 22:40.27 | Drundia | no, it's 1 around itself |
| 22:41.16 | cogwheel | Kirov: i don't quite have the inclination to define it precisely, but basically I'm wanting a lower (work+sleep):(rest of day) ratio |
| 22:41.32 | cogwheel | preferably by increasing rest of day |
| 22:41.58 | cogwheel | i'd also go for insomnia sans side-effects |
| 22:42.04 | Kirov | Venus is good then. |
| 22:42.13 | Kirov | 5832 hours per rotation. |
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| 22:46.01 | Legorol | Quick question on spell events: which one is fired if a spell with casting time (eg. fireball or shadow bolt) is interrupted because your target dies before you finish casting it? |
| 22:46.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, beta people: servers are down for about 6 hours for a new patch to be deployed |
| 22:46.32 | Adys | invalid target no? |
| 22:47.06 | Pneumatus | yep Kirkburn|afk: fingers crossed for spare bagslots with mounts/pets being moved to the spellbook :) |
| 22:47.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Indeed |
| 22:47.37 | Kirkburn|afk | So much more space incoming :P |
| 22:47.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Afaik it will be in this patch |
| 22:47.54 | Pneumatus | they might release the token screen oficially as well |
| 22:47.59 | Pneumatus | and possibly the calendar |
| 22:48.18 | Kirkburn|afk | And perhaps give us the correct language load screens :P |
| 22:48.27 | Pneumatus | EU or US? |
| 22:48.31 | Kirkburn|afk | EU |
| 22:48.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Affects both though afaik |
| 22:48.39 | Pneumatus | you mean the korean outlands loading screen? |
| 22:48.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye |
| 22:48.58 | Pneumatus | yeh, surprised me when i first saw that :) |
| 22:49.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Also, Ebon Hold is getting smaller, probably some dk quest tweaks |
| 22:49.10 | Xuerian | O_o |
| 22:49.35 | Pneumatus | i wonder if they are gonna fix the bug with the Fordragon quest chain |
| 22:50.01 | Kirkburn|afk | I've not got past 70 yet, spent so much time aimelessly wandering |
| 22:50.02 | Pneumatus | that causes all the Fordragon Hold and Wrath Gate npcs to dissapear |
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| 22:50.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Xuerian, o_O at the size change? |
| 22:50.23 | Xuerian | I duno really. |
| 22:50.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Also, want barbershop, since I ran to Dalaran yesterday :P |
| 22:50.46 | Pneumatus | no idea why youd want to make ebon hold smaller, its not exactly hard getting around with the run speed buff |
| 22:50.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Ebon Hold is huuuge atm |
| 22:50.54 | Kirkburn|afk | It's still huge |
| 22:51.02 | cogwheel | ut oh |
| 22:51.07 | cogwheel | forums go boom? |
| 22:51.12 | Kirkburn|afk | I think it's more to make it more navigable |
| 22:51.27 | Pneumatus | i've only played a dk to 57 though, just to play the starting chain |
| 22:51.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Yellow or purple is up? :P |
| 22:51.40 | Pneumatus | will delete and re-test at some point |
| 22:51.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, point ... you can only have one |
| 22:52.07 | Kirkburn|afk | I hadn't even thought of that restriction |
| 22:52.19 | Sixen | Forums = Down? |
| 22:52.37 | cogwheel | 15:51 <+cogwheel> forums go boom? |
| 22:52.39 | cogwheel | :) |
| 22:53.03 | cogwheel | s/)/(/ |
| 22:53.21 | Kirov | Legorol - pretty sure it's failed |
| 22:54.16 | Legorol | that's what i thought too, but i don't see it in the combat log |
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| 22:54.38 | Legorol | not a single spell_cast_failed from our warlocks in ZA tonight |
| 22:54.56 | Drundia | with those long mount names WTB "Spell:<id>" support for /cast |
| 22:55.11 | Sixen | =/ |
| 22:55.34 | Pneumatus | they should implement a /castrandommount as default :) |
| 22:56.34 | Drundia | well, maybe you don't want some... |
| 22:56.47 | Drundia | like disabling more common ones when you get rare |
| 22:56.53 | Drundia | but if you get all.... |
| 22:57.20 | Pneumatus | i have a feeling we might see some mount-management addons over the next few days |
| 22:57.41 | Sixen | And... They're up! |
| 22:57.53 | Kirov | Pneumatus - GoGoMount ... |
| 22:58.23 | Metrin | there was a error communicating with da server |
| 22:58.27 | Drundia | of well, can only mount out of combat and can manually put one random mount in /cast |
| 22:59.01 | Pneumatus | ye Kirov, but there will no doubt be new ways to scan for mounts etc etc |
| 22:59.39 | Metrin | there was a error communicating with da server |
| 23:00.29 | Metrin | there was a error communicating with da server |
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| 23:01.01 | Metrin | there was a error communicating with da server |
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| 23:01.18 | Metrin | there was a error communicating with da server |
| 23:01.22 | cogwheel | ~poke metrin |
| 23:01.23 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind metrin, pokes metrin repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:01.37 | Metrin | there was a error communicating with da server |
| 23:01.40 | devXero | anyone know of a variable that holds the max number of quest log entries possible? I saw MAX_NUM_QUESTS but that's 32 and my quest log says 25 |
| 23:02.17 | cogwheel | devXero: i think it's capped by the server when you try to get another quest |
| 23:02.30 | Shirik | lua> return ---3; |
| 23:02.30 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 23:02.35 | Shirik | er |
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| 23:02.41 | Shirik | lua> return - - - 3 |
| 23:02.41 | lua_bot | Shirik: -3 |
| 23:02.51 | cogwheel | i don't know of any built-in constants that would be more reliable |
| 23:02.53 | devXero | cogwheel: so in otherwords, no |
| 23:02.57 | devXero | kk |
| 23:03.01 | devXero | I was hoping to not hard code it |
| 23:03.14 | cogwheel | yeah... seems like they should change the value of that constant imo... |
| 23:05.08 | Drundia | why is it 32 anyway? |
| 23:07.00 | cogwheel | programmers like powers of 2 |
| 23:07.04 | cogwheel | :P |
| 23:07.44 | cogwheel | Kirov: hmm... looks like heavy beer might be a bad idea |
| 23:07.46 | cogwheel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water#Toxicity_in_humans |
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| 23:10.52 | Kirov | cogwheel - like I said, Irish |
| 23:12.25 | Shirik | I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_poisoning is more likely to occur than cogwheel's link |
| 23:12.36 | Shirik | but I am not a medical professional |
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| 23:12.43 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 23:14.13 | Thunder_Child | http://img.ipost.com/client/d/despair/govt.jpg |
| 23:15.01 | Shirik | awesome, Thunder_Child |
| 23:15.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Vecnah (n=vecna@clearstream.vecnix.net) |
| 23:20.01 | cogwheel | Shirik: the point isn't to drink a ton of it at once... just to make beer from heavy water :P |
| 23:22.27 | devXero | cogwheel: I just had a thought... would the 32 exist due to quest headers? |
| 23:22.33 | devXero | ah, nvm |
| 23:22.41 | devXero | fail... My index go as high as 40 right now |
| 23:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8430106616&postId=85368654103&sid=2000#1 <-- that's the general impression that I get... am I wrong there? |
| 23:27.55 | Antiarc | Is a new build being deployed? |
| 23:28.02 | Xuerian | yes |
| 23:28.04 | Antiarc | Yay |
| 23:28.07 | Antiarc | ETA? |
| 23:28.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 23:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 6-8h from downtime |
| 23:28.38 | Antiarc | when did it start? |
| 23:28.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 3PST |
| 23:29.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Hour and a half ago or so |
| 23:29.48 | Antiarc | okay |
| 23:30.00 | bleeter | I know I'm late, but don't wanna miss out.. so .. /me throws muds at cog|away and cladhaire |
| 23:30.19 | bleeter | I think that was the upshot of the thread I'm 1/4 way thru reading ;) |
| 23:31.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Garoun|Loupana (n=Garou@c-98-204-102-177.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 23:35.06 | Cairenn | interrupt: First batch of names sent in for author keys: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=96876&postcount=63 /interrupt |
| 23:35.44 | Arrowmaster | ticket? |
| 23:35.45 | *** join/#wowuidev RockSlice (i=kvirc@c-76-123-69-54.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 23:35.55 | Thunder_Child | dont click, keylogger |
| 23:37.58 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: that's what I got from it, too |
| 23:38.06 | Cairenn | ? |
| 23:38.10 | bleeter | :P |
| 23:38.22 | Garoun|Loupana | he's being silly Cair :P |
| 23:38.33 | Thunder_Child | ~pick Cairenn |
| 23:38.34 | purl | ACTION carefully extracts the boogers from Cairenn's nose and feeds them to fridgid |
| 23:38.34 | Garoun|Loupana | aka any link posted on the wow forums = keylogger ;) |
| 23:38.39 | Thunder_Child | uhh... |
| 23:38.40 | Cairenn | ah |
| 23:38.45 | Thunder_Child | no, not what i was thinking |
| 23:38.58 | Adys | ~keylogger |
| 23:39.17 | Garoun|Loupana | oh, so you weren't being silly thunder? :) |
| 23:39.37 | Shirik | You know, I just realized how awesome this song is http://youtube.com/watch?v=XG0g4wQFJXA |
| 23:39.41 | Thunder_Child | Garoun|Loupana, yes i was |
| 23:39.51 | Garoun|Loupana | k ;) figured you were |
| 23:39.53 | Thunder_Child | that last comment of mine was directed at purl |
| 23:40.35 | Shirik | die |
| 23:40.37 | Shirik | that's a good song |
| 23:40.44 | NightHawkTheSane | not a fan, personally. |
| 23:41.35 | Shirik | I love how pandora picks music perfectly :P |
| 23:41.49 | Thunder_Child | could be worse NightHawkTheSane, http://youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU |
| 23:42.05 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, right, like i'm going to click a link described as "could be worse" :P |
| 23:42.11 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 23:42.15 | Thunder_Child | curiosit |
| 23:42.17 | Thunder_Child | y |
| 23:42.50 | NightHawkTheSane | .. i hate you, Thunder_Child |
| 23:43.10 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, people are like sheep, manipulation is very easy |
| 23:44.49 | amro | Shirik: nice song. vid's a bit lame though |
| 23:44.57 | Shirik | I agree with that |
| 23:44.58 | Shirik | but the song is good |
| 23:45.48 | amro | it is, I just added it to my playlist |
| 23:46.35 | Thunder_Child | http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2453/mrsnugglepuff1crfy2.png |
| 23:48.27 | ScytheBlade1 | All right, some people here are much more knowledgable with the linux CLI than I am... I have a bunch of files named *.tga.jpg, and I need a way to rename them all without the .tga |
| 23:48.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: nice |
| 23:49.34 | Codex| | whats the old tab target mod that doesnt target cc'd mobs? |
| 23:50.53 | kd3 | ScytheBlade1, rename .tga.jpg .jpg *.tga.jpg |
| 23:50.54 | Esamynn | ~laugh NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:50.55 | purl | ACTION laughs hysterically at NightHawkTheSane...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 23:51.08 | Esamynn | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 23:51.08 | purl | declares Thunder_Child a moron |
| 23:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: wow I am stupid. here I was trying to do it with fancy shell expressions. |
| 23:51.15 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 23:51.22 | Thunder_Child | what did i do Esamynn? |
| 23:51.35 | Esamynn | you were your usual self :P |
| 23:51.43 | Thunder_Child | oh...that works |
| 23:51.46 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: thanks |
| 23:51.50 | kd3 | np |
| 23:52.02 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: picking on poor NightHawkTheSane like that |
| 23:52.05 | Esamynn | big bully! |
| 23:52.15 | Thunder_Child | he started it |
| 23:52.19 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 23:52.23 | Thunder_Child | i'm telling Cairenn |
| 23:52.43 | Esamynn | ~gag Thunder_Child |
| 23:52.44 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of Thunder_Child and, as an additional precaution, sews Thunder_Child's mouth shut permanently... |
| 23:53.14 | NightHawkTheSane | haha. |
| 23:53.34 | Esamynn | ~pat NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:53.35 | purl | ACTION pats NightHawkTheSane and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 23:54.28 | Cairenn | hi |
| 23:55.02 | Thunder_Child | wow...this is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9xCZI12XEo |
| 23:55.12 | Thunder_Child | yay for looking up how to spell pantomime |
| 23:56.01 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: don't bother, I don't click you tube links at work :P |
| 23:56.19 | Thunder_Child | well if someone can back me up on the funnyness of this |
| 23:56.22 | Thunder_Child | you might |
| 23:56.41 | Esamynn | nah, no point, I don't have any headphones (or speakers) |
| 23:57.00 | bleeter | stick yer tongue in the headphone socket then! doh |
| 23:57.12 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:57.25 | bleeter | at least those in yer office will get a good laugh ;) |
| 23:57.35 | Esamynn | heh |
