| 00:00.18 | foxlit | alestane: ShapeshiftBarFrame.Show = function () end; |
| 00:00.20 | foxlit | that taints |
| 00:00.56 | foxlit | Not that the dino is here or anything :) |
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| 00:04.49 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8402850398&sid=1 Passive Aggressive Poster wants you to do all the hard work. |
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| 00:08.15 | selckin | why even link that |
| 00:08.43 | Kirov | must ... resist ... making macro ... |
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| 00:09.17 | JoshBorke | just point him to the stickes |
| 00:09.22 | JoshBorke | you guys are getting weak |
| 00:10.17 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.56 | Kirov | "I used the macro, but it restarted my wow, and now all my addons are reset!" |
| 00:12.56 | Dashkal | r = ReloadUI for k in ... :p |
| 00:15.13 | Lunessa | Kirov: Nice, but not quite evil enough... |
| 00:15.30 | Lunessa | It should also hide the world frame |
| 00:16.22 | foxlit | UIParent:HookScript("OnUpdate", function() t, n = _G, next; t[n(t)]=nil; end) |
| 00:16.42 | frop | LFG Gruul |
| 00:16.56 | foxlit | actually, that looks like a fun thing to try |
| 00:17.43 | Drundia | slow death of all globals, sounds really funny |
| 00:18.15 | JoshBorke | foxlit: no, no, way too fast |
| 00:18.15 | Kirov | Or I could create a frame with an OnUpdate script that does a 10000 loop of GetTime() |
| 00:18.18 | JoshBorke | foxlit: you gotta limit it |
| 00:18.44 | Drundia | why fast? 1 global per frame |
| 00:18.47 | foxlit | the evil part is of course what it does to SVs |
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| 00:19.03 | Kirov | foxlit - which is why I have a ReloadUI() in mine |
| 00:19.06 | Kirov | force the write |
| 00:19.29 | Drundia | i have 46515 globals |
| 00:20.04 | Kirov | that would take 13 hours to remove |
| 00:20.13 | Kirov | assuming 60fps |
| 00:20.25 | foxlit | Yeah, but you can be sure to eat something useful very, very soon |
| 00:20.28 | Drundia | you mean 13 minutes |
| 00:20.37 | Kirov | that too |
| 00:20.42 | Kirov | maf bad |
| 00:20.57 | Kirov | home time |
| 00:22.31 | Drundia | i would backup saved variables before doing that |
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| 00:25.13 | Drundia | it saves variables equal to nil (if they are listed in SV of course), right? |
| 00:25.44 | Thunder_Child | i give them 1 week to figure out a way around it http://www.rlslog.net/uk-tougher-piracy-laws-blacklists-of-pirates/ |
| 00:26.55 | Dashkal | Thunder_Child: next up: UK outlaws encrypted traffic citing piracy concerns |
| 00:27.27 | foxlit | Dashkal: they don't need |
| 00:27.31 | foxlit | to |
| 00:27.33 | foxlit | :) |
| 00:27.46 | Thunder_Child | Dashkal, next up UK eliminates privacy citing whatever they want to |
| 00:27.55 | Dashkal | same deal |
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| 00:40.56 | cladhaire | I have soooo much packing to do =( |
| 00:41.09 | cladhaire | and i have to pack it so customs doesn't get up in my shit |
| 00:41.15 | cladhaire | customs bastards |
| 00:41.18 | Thunder_Child | cladhaire, dont bother and buy everything when you get there |
| 00:41.23 | cladhaire | uhhh |
| 00:41.23 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:41.25 | cladhaire | ? |
| 00:41.31 | cladhaire | i live there, why would i buy things there |
| 00:41.31 | Corrodias | my chosen method is never to travel. |
| 00:41.33 | cladhaire | they're so expensive |
| 00:41.56 | cladhaire | i mean, i got guitar hero III for $59.00. It costs like £60 there!! |
| 00:42.06 | Thunder_Child | well i didnt say it was going to be cheap |
| 00:42.11 | Thunder_Child | just easier |
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| 00:42.49 | Shirik | ~wtf tty |
| 00:43.51 | frop | ~wtf echo |
| 00:44.04 | frop | purl gz |
| 00:44.22 | frop | nice bot :) |
| 00:44.38 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 00:44.38 | purl | Thunder_Child: aw, gee |
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| 00:53.09 | ScytheBlade1 | .ap 1469 |
| 00:54.20 | kd3 | sweet. xvidcap works for recording wow stuff |
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| 01:14.42 | kd3 | rofl; my roommates and I are cursed |
| 01:14.48 | kd3 | more water madness |
| 01:14.55 | Thunder_Child | is that really a thing to laugh about? |
| 01:15.13 | kd3 | I'm doing the "oh why is this happening to us? laugh |
| 01:15.25 | wereHamster | kd3: xvidcap? It's horribly slow for 3d apps |
| 01:15.25 | Thunder_Child | ah, slighty psychotic? |
| 01:15.28 | kd3 | yah |
| 01:15.35 | wereHamster | you might want to try yukon |
| 01:15.36 | kd3 | were; getting 10fps+ |
| 01:15.40 | kd3 | I'll poke yukon next |
| 01:15.46 | wereHamster | I was getting 30+ fps |
| 01:15.52 | kd3 | hm |
| 01:16.09 | kd3 | bah, not in the repos |
| 01:16.35 | wereHamster | kd3: no, it's not, nobody wants to package it |
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| 01:41.00 | Shirik | taking bets: cladhaire vs me, anyone? |
| 01:41.24 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:41.32 | cladhaire | with what now? |
| 01:42.34 | Shirik | hm, you're better than I thought >.> |
| 01:42.37 | Stanzilla | penis fencing? |
| 01:42.39 | Shirik | do you spawn a new lua process every time? |
| 01:42.54 | cladhaire | of course :P |
| 01:42.59 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 01:43.04 | Shirik | touche |
| 01:43.06 | Shirik | for now |
| 01:43.12 | Shirik | give me the debug library |
| 01:43.48 | cladhaire | nah |
| 01:44.50 | Shirik | :< |
| 01:45.43 | Shirik | seems like cladhaire wins for now :( |
| 01:45.47 | Shirik | I need to think about this some more |
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| 01:47.52 | batrick | shirik u give up on batbot?! |
| 01:48.03 | Shirik | for now, yeah |
| 01:48.12 | Shirik | There's some ugly things there |
| 01:48.18 | Shirik | but nothing I can really use |
| 01:48.30 | batrick | ya such is life when u expose the debug library |
| 01:48.39 | batrick | i wonder how clean it would be if it were not there |
| 01:48.43 | Thunder_Child | ~vs Shirik cladhaire |
| 01:48.43 | purl | in a one on one showdown, cladhaire wins. |
| 01:48.44 | Shirik | don't do that |
| 01:48.54 | Shirik | debug library is where I get all my fun |
| 01:49.20 | batrick | debug library has warped my mind on what is safe to do in Lua |
| 01:49.44 | Shirik | Even the garbage collector is unsafe! |
| 01:49.52 | cladhaire | ~emulate cladhaire |
| 01:49.53 | purl | ACTION shakes, berries fall to the ground. |
| 01:49.55 | Shirik | give me back newproxy :< |
| 01:49.59 | batrick | I do things like returning from a file's chunk with a main function so all locals on the stack are discarded |
| 01:50.04 | cladhaire | boo |
| 01:50.04 | Shirik | --> return newproxy |
| 01:50.04 | batbot | Shirik: > nil |
| 01:50.08 | Shirik | qq ^^ |
| 01:50.12 | Thunder_Child | ~vs Shirik cladhaire |
| 01:50.13 | purl | in a one on one showdown, cladhaire wins. |
| 01:50.13 | Shirik | lua> return newproxy |
| 01:50.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x62a560 |
| 01:50.14 | Shirik | ^ yay |
| 01:50.22 | Thunder_Child | hmm... |
| 01:50.34 | cladhaire | 02:50 purl: I take the fun out of sandboxes |
| 01:50.35 | cladhaire | there we go |
| 01:50.47 | batrick | Shirik: you get newproxy back when filum is fixed :P |
| 01:50.52 | Shirik | LOLOL |
| 01:50.58 | Thunder_Child | wow, the randomness factor SUCKS |
| 01:51.02 | Shirik | oh, I read that as "when luatask is fixed" |
| 01:51.13 | Shirik | much like when the pcall bug is fixed |
| 01:51.45 | Thunder_Child | ~vs red blue |
| 01:51.46 | purl | in a one on one showdown, the companion cube wins. |
| 01:53.54 | Thunder_Child | woot, RA3 beta ftw |
| 01:54.37 | batrick | lua> module |
| 01:54.38 | lua_bot | batrick: nil |
| 01:54.41 | batrick | what a shame |
| 01:55.11 | Shirik | batrick: what did you expect |
| 01:55.24 | batrick | uh... the module function lol? |
| 01:56.18 | Shirik | --> module; |
| 01:56.19 | batbot | Shirik: > nil |
| 01:56.25 | Shirik | you obviously removed it :P |
| 01:56.43 | batrick | ya I will probably put it back |
| 01:56.55 | batrick | well no, I won't |
| 01:57.03 | batrick | it can be used to change C functions environments |
| 01:57.14 | batrick | e.g. string.gsub("", "", module) |
| 01:57.53 | Shirik | huh? |
| 01:57.59 | Shirik | what is that going to do? |
| 01:58.07 | batrick | try it and see :P |
| 01:59.18 | Shirik | I don't see |
| 02:00.30 | batrick | it may not have any side effects for string.gsub, but it could for others and I don't want to find out the hard way |
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| 02:11.13 | batrick | cladhaire: mind if I look at your sandbox's source again? |
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| 02:15.54 | Corrodias | we want a look at your box |
| 02:19.12 | cladhaire | batrick: http://luabot.pastey.net/89165 is the weblua sandbox, and lua_bot will be updated soon |
| 02:19.16 | cladhaire | to add persistence. |
| 02:19.26 | cladhaire | and fix a few bugs |
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| 02:37.27 | Shirik | well that was an interesting error |
| 02:37.28 | Shirik | "string length overflow" |
| 02:37.38 | Shirik | I didn't know strings had a maximum length |
| 02:38.21 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, it's fun |
| 02:43.06 | malreth | i hate weddings |
| 02:43.15 | Iriel | Planning or attending? |
| 02:43.26 | Thunder_Child | malreth, that doesnt bode well for your fiance |
| 02:43.28 | malreth | planning.. |
| 02:43.36 | malreth | -_- |
| 02:44.02 | malreth | ~scone Iriel |
| 02:44.03 | purl | Iriel is a scone. |
| 02:44.10 | malreth | congrats! |
| 02:44.16 | Iriel | Hm, I'd LIKE a scone but i'm NOT a scone |
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| 02:44.40 | Kirov | ~scone purl |
| 02:44.41 | purl | purl is not a scone. |
| 02:44.48 | NightHawkTheSane | but if you WERE a scone, you could eat yourself, and then you'd be happy |
| 02:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | and really, scones are so dense you'd probably only have to nibble off a hand or something |
| 02:45.49 | Kirov | ~rmallet NightHawkTheSane |
| 02:45.49 | purl | ACTION beats NightHawkTheSane about the head and shoulders with a rubber mallet |
| 02:48.13 | malreth | ~yaoi Kirov |
| 02:48.14 | purl | ACTION acts all interested in Kirov but really it's just a whole bunch of angst with no naked payoff in the end. Figures. |
| 02:49.08 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 02:49.48 | malreth | ~gender purl |
| 02:49.48 | purl | I heard purl is female. |
| 02:49.56 | Lopeppeppy | PURL RULES! |
| 02:49.57 | purl | ACTION makes the rules. now stfu and code more addons. |
| 02:49.57 | malreth | hmm... |
| 02:50.05 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 02:50.05 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 02:50.09 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 02:50.19 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo rules |
| 02:50.19 | purl | rules -- last modified at Thu Aug 23 17:53:07 2007 by jme!i=webfreak@fallingsnow.net; it has been requested 16 times, last by Lopeppeppy, 23s ago. |
| 02:51.01 | Thunder_Child | ~vs Lopeppeppy purl |
| 02:51.02 | purl | in a one on one showdown, Lopeppeppy wins. |
| 02:51.11 | Shirik | yey Lopeppeppy |
| 02:51.32 | Shirik | she likes football; I'd expect that turnout |
| 02:51.45 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. *laugh* |
| 02:51.58 | Lopeppeppy | But it would be a fun jello wrestling match. |
| 02:53.33 | Industrial | standing on SW AH entrance arc :D |
| 02:54.16 | Industrial | yelling I STAND ABOVE YOU< BOW BEFORE ME |
| 02:54.18 | Industrial | ofcourse |
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| 02:54.42 | Thunder_Child | ~bow Industrial |
| 02:54.48 | Thunder_Child | ffs purl |
| 02:54.57 | malreth | ~worship Industrial |
| 02:54.58 | purl | ACTION prostrates himself before Industrial. "I'm not worthy!" |
| 02:55.17 | malreth | purl has gender issues |
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| 02:57.50 | Industrial | how do you jump on hte last step of the SW fountain again |
| 02:57.50 | Industrial | at the mailbox |
| 02:57.50 | malreth | i never figured that out |
| 02:58.02 | Industrial | you can jump on the sword, I did it a 100 times but I forgot |
| 02:58.04 | malreth | s/figured that out/cared about that/ |
| 03:00.38 | Industrial | ah fuck it nn |
| 03:00.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Why do i always think "i'm a little more hungry, i'll get an order of gyoza with teriyaki tonight", and then am never hungry enough to finish it. >< |
| 03:11.52 | haste | gyoza with teriyaki, do want! |
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| 03:19.13 | Mikk | This is clearly an intelligence problem. People stupid enough to order too much only have themselves to blame. Or possibly should not be allowed to order to begin with. After all, only intelligent people deserve plentiful excellent food. |
| 03:19.25 | Mikk | (re: earlier discussion about software usability...) |
| 03:19.32 | Thunder_Child | night Lopeppeppy |
| 03:19.50 | malreth | later peppy |
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| 03:22.44 | NightHawkTheSane | argh |
| 03:23.06 | NightHawkTheSane | stupid gear-changing-interrupting-spells has totally ruined my totem swapping macros! |
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| 03:24.19 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm? |
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| 03:25.00 | Mikk | Oooh I just seem to remember an argument I had with you earlier where you basically stated that only the top 2% of the intelligentia deserved to use addons or somesuch. |
| 03:25.08 | Mikk | And that everyone else could just go f* themselves |
| 03:25.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i don't ever remember making that particular argument |
| 03:25.34 | NightHawkTheSane | but *shrug* |
| 03:26.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i have a pretty poor memory, so maybe i did. |
| 03:27.41 | NightHawkTheSane | in any case, my only real complaint is that i havn't played my shaman since the patch, and havn't updated my macros appropriately yet before jumping into a raid |
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| 03:39.02 | kd3 | rofl at the bitching in /1 |
| 03:40.06 | cogwheel | I got more shared misery bonding than bitching... |
| 03:40.18 | cogwheel | but that's just me :P |
| 03:41.08 | cogwheel | everyone i saw seemed to be complaining in good spirits |
| 03:41.35 | cogwheel | and after their reactions, i just had to... XD http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=7555625&sid=2000 |
| 03:41.42 | cogwheel | err |
| 03:41.51 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202467720&sid=2000#3 |
| 03:41.58 | kd3 | rofl |
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| 03:43.24 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: win |
| 03:45.59 | kd3 | har. [Florida] Three people injured in horse drawn carriage accident. This is not a repeat from 1512 |
| 03:47.20 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202277987&sid=2000 lol |
| 03:49.27 | cogwheel | i love how Northrend is totally littered with FPs and various other modes of transit... |
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| 03:59.25 | Thunder_Child | why are rubber floor tiles so damn expensive |
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| 04:04.18 | Tem | cogwheel, I love how retardedly fast I can level my DK |
| 04:04.39 | cogwheel | yeah. i think when they finish the chain, we'll come out near 78 |
| 04:04.42 | cogwheel | s/7/6/ |
| 04:04.51 | cogwheel | s/6/5/ |
| 04:05.12 | cogwheel | bad Tekkub |
| 04:05.20 | Tekkub | wut? |
| 04:05.40 | Tekkub | I did that 5 min ago |
| 04:06.04 | Thunder_Child | ok the round goes to Tekkub |
| 04:06.25 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, try your luck again later |
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| 04:08.30 | Tekkub | don't worry I'm almost ready for round two |
| 04:08.57 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, ok but we are going to drug test you after |
| 04:09.20 | Tekkub | you really think that of me? |
| 04:09.24 | Tekkub | I'm high on life man |
| 04:09.27 | Tekkub | and cat urine... |
| 04:09.49 | Thunder_Child | i dont get paid to think |
| 04:09.51 | cogwheel | speaking of which |
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| 04:11.50 | Thunder_Child | ~fail amazon |
| 04:11.54 | purl | amazon, you Fail! |
| 04:11.59 | Thunder_Child | ~phail amazon |
| 04:12.04 | Thunder_Child | eh |
| 04:14.18 | Thunder_Child | anyone know where i can get some cheap impact soundproofing floor tiles? |
| 04:14.43 | Shirik | so, looking for somewhere to bring my BE priest |
| 04:14.45 | Shirik | any recommendations? |
| 04:14.58 | Tekkub | carpet! |
| 04:15.19 | Thunder_Child | Tekkub, not enough |
| 04:15.24 | Tekkub | add more |
| 04:15.43 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...to much |
| 04:15.58 | Thunder_Child | it's just 5'x5' or so |
| 04:19.51 | Shirik | LMAO |
| 04:19.56 | Shirik | My guild has me pinned down pretty well |
| 04:19.57 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903646279&postId=82016688558&sid=1#58 |
| 04:20.08 | Shirik | "Oh what, server's down so you can't watch people fall to their death off Aldor rise? Get back to yur programming ya big nerd. " |
| 04:20.22 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:20.31 | Shirik | I have a tendency to write addons at the elevator for aldor rise because it's fun to hear them die as I code :) |
| 04:20.41 | kd3 | lol |
| 04:21.35 | Tekkub | heh |
| 04:22.52 | Shirik | on that note, I shall return |
| 04:25.25 | Thunder_Child | for any of you old nostalgic (sp?) fogeys (sp?) out there http://www.deepdiscount.com/DVD---Classic-Animation_stcVVcatId519287VVviewcat.htm?extid=email072408_dvd |
| 04:25.26 | batbot | Thunder_Child, nostalgic is correct. |
| 04:25.48 | Thunder_Child | it cant do 2? batrick, code for moar! |
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| 04:50.19 | Sixen | ~seen duman |
| 04:50.34 | purl | duman is currently on #wowuidev (4d 9h 37m 30s). Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 7h 15m 59s, last said: 'yeah'. |
| 04:51.23 | Sixen | =/ |
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| 04:55.32 | Thunder_Child | ~wb Shirik |
| 04:55.40 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
| 04:55.41 | purl | ACTION jumps into Shirik's lap and huggles and *hugs* Shirik |
| 04:56.10 | Thunder_Child | *sigh*, i swear i need to write 1/2 the stuff i use |
| 04:58.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I've become known as the "Sbomod" in my guild. :( |
| 05:01.42 | Kirov | I wish I could get more people in my guild to use my mods. |
| 05:02.10 | |Jelly| | I wish I could get more people in my guild to not be dumb. |
| 05:02.44 | Sixen | Hai guys. |
| 05:02.59 | |Jelly| | Hai |
| 05:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirov: it actually was the result of DBM breaking the trash wave announce in Hyjal. It just stopped working entirely, so I tabbed open wowwiki. Copy/paste into /rw |
| 05:03.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Entire raid: "Wait, how did you get it to work when everyone else is broken?" |
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| 05:03.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Me: "... copy and paste?" |
| 05:03.34 | ScytheBlade1 | And hence, Sbomod was born. :( |
| 05:03.38 | |Jelly| | I'm Jesus? lol |
| 05:04.12 | Thunder_Child | ~jesus |Jelly| |
| 05:04.22 | Thunder_Child | /cry |
| 05:04.32 | |Jelly| | ~love Thunder_Child |
| 05:04.33 | purl | If you love Thunder_Child so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 05:04.53 | |Jelly| | Thunder_Child, will you be at Blizzcon and if so, Will you marry me? |
| 05:05.17 | Thunder_Child | not this time, and yes i would have to think about it |
| 05:05.25 | |Jelly| | :( |
| 05:05.41 | Thunder_Child | though if you proposed from stage that might make up my mind right away |
| 05:06.03 | |Jelly| | Don't tempt me. |
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| 05:06.26 | Thunder_Child | ~tempt |Jelly| |
| 05:06.33 | Thunder_Child | aww COME ON! |
| 05:06.45 | |Jelly| | ~giggle |
| 05:06.46 | purl | teeheehee! |
| 05:17.01 | Rabbitbunny | ...47% of my server is 70. |
| 05:19.42 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 05:20.46 | Thunder_Child | can anyone tell me why my loading page text is in asian lettering? |
| 05:22.51 | Rabbitbunny | And the biggest guild is... Unguilded. |
| 05:24.09 | reqol | would it be possible to create a fake edge of the screen so that frames that are clamped will stop at it? |
| 05:25.50 | Xuerian | Rabbitbunny: What server, now? |
| 05:28.07 | Rabbitbunny | Firetree. |
| 05:28.29 | Rabbitbunny | wanna guess my mains' name? |
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| 05:32.41 | Thunder_Child | is there a beta guild? |
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| 05:36.49 | Shirik | yes Thunder_Child |
| 05:36.56 | Shirik | US/EU, Horde/Alliance? |
| 05:37.26 | Thunder_Child | US alliance |
| 05:38.25 | Thunder_Child | aaaaaaaand server restart :( |
| 05:38.50 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, pvp/pve? |
| 05:38.56 | Shirik | pve |
| 05:39.03 | Shirik | pve us alliance = <Secure Templars> |
| 05:39.12 | Thunder_Child | *groan* |
| 05:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 05:39.31 | Shirik | pvp = not condusive to coding! |
| 05:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8402850217&sid=1&pageNo=12#236 |
| 05:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I suddenly have an incredibly strong desire to play a death knight |
| 05:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds like one incredible storyline |
| 05:49.14 | Thunder_Child | wow, magic absorption got much much better |
| 05:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | and heh @ <Secure Templars> |
| 05:53.50 | Thunder_Child | whats the setshadow command again? |
| 05:53.57 | Thunder_Child | my comp is poopooing me |
| 05:54.33 | kd3 | rofl at xkcd |
| 05:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: if only it worked that way. *sigh* |
| 05:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd be faxing friends fiber lines all day long |
| 05:55.10 | kd3 | and that dk thread's kinda amusing, but kinda not |
| 05:55.17 | ScytheBlade1 | How so? |
| 05:55.21 | kd3 | I sat there for a good few minutes on the execution quest just thinking about it |
| 05:55.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like a well designed quest to me then |
| 05:55.55 | kd3 | indeed. I put that on the beta forums. the devs are trying to make us squirm on this quest, I applaud em for it |
| 05:56.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Well it's working, well enough to give you 19 pages on general |
| 05:56.24 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202276652&sid=2000 |
| 05:57.42 | MentalPower | friggin traffic cops that don't know their own laws... |
| 05:58.04 | Kirov | So far I haven't read up on anything about the new quests. |
| 05:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm also seeing more of the reason they wanted DKs to start out as a higher level and be a "hero class" |
| 05:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't setup quest chains like this when you have.... two abilities |
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| 06:00.42 | reqol | would it be possible to create a fake edge to the screen where frames that are clamped to the screen would stop? |
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| 06:01.01 | Arrowmaster | dont think so |
| 06:01.26 | Arrowmaster | since the clamping is controlled by the game engine and not part of the lua ui |
| 06:01.27 | MentalPower | you can iterate over all the frames and increase their bounds rect |
| 06:01.37 | MentalPower | that will do what you want |
| 06:02.02 | MentalPower | alternatively, I think you can decrease the size of UIParent relative to WorldFrame to achieve the same effect |
| 06:02.13 | MentalPower | haven't tried either, so ymmv |
| 06:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ post #98 in the general thread |
| 06:03.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah the UIParent one should work |
| 06:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "Please blizzard, make the orphans in stormwind Killable" |
| 06:03.41 | Arrowmaster | shit i would goto stormwind on my orc warlock just to kill some orphans |
| 06:03.55 | Rabbitbunny | The loot would be worthless. |
| 06:04.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Isn't about the loot |
| 06:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 06:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I am a *terrible* person |
| 06:04.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap |
| 06:04.20 | Rabbitbunny | ...it's a joke, they're orphans ;) |
| 06:04.24 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Esamynn |
| 06:04.24 | purl | hauls Esamynn up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 06:04.32 | Esamynn | what?!?!?! |
| 06:04.37 | Xuerian | o_0 |
| 06:04.49 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap Thunder_Child |
| 06:04.50 | purl | ACTION beats Thunder_Child upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 06:04.50 | Xuerian | That was definitely... a odd lart. |
| 06:04.54 | Thunder_Child | "[23:03:12][W:From] [Catyliia]: hells no! :P" |
| 06:05.06 | Esamynn | :P |
| 06:05.28 | Thunder_Child | we need Guillotine's panda so i can lart you in game |
| 06:05.51 | Guillotine | its Emurald now |
| 06:05.53 | Guillotine | I rewrote it |
| 06:06.05 | Thunder_Child | emu? *sigh* |
| 06:06.21 | Thunder_Child | could be worse, could be emo |
| 06:06.48 | reqol | alright, I'll try that out. thanks : ) |
| 06:14.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Is beta still on build 8634? |
| 06:14.06 | kd3 | ya |
| 06:14.11 | kd3 | new build some time this week, hopefully |
| 06:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Not too many days left in the week |
| 06:14.31 | kd3 | crap. it is friday, isn't it |
| 06:14.31 | nevcairiel | I was about to say, week is nearly over |
| 06:14.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Is now |
| 06:15.41 | NightHawkTheSane | it's still thursday on the west coast |
| 06:15.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, though |
| 06:15.53 | ScytheBlade1 | If it is invoking suck responses out of beta testers |
| 06:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm thinking they just might tone it down for the general population |
| 06:17.06 | nevcairiel | Still that quest? |
| 06:17.11 | nevcairiel | its a DK ffs :P |
| 06:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Still reading the thread on general, yeah |
| 06:17.32 | ScytheBlade1 | And yeah that's what several people are saying |
| 06:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8402850217&sid=1&pageNo=15#281 |
| 06:17.44 | kd3 | the OP never got the lesson that "my character is not me" |
| 06:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 06:19.28 | ScytheBlade1 | " Here's a tip for your problem. Kill the poor innocent women. Cry all the tears you have. The poor woman will respawn. She will live and you have completed your quest. Everyone is happy in the wonderful world of love craft. The end." |
| 06:20.04 | kd3 | and the op's also glossing over that some of the citizens do actually fight back... |
| 06:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | The last bit got me |
| 06:20.17 | NightHawkTheSane | "everyone is happy in the wonderful world of lovecraft?" bahahahaha |
| 06:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | "Everyone is happy in the wonderful world of love craft" |
| 06:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 06:20.33 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, that's sig material th ere. |
| 06:20.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty close, yeah |
| 06:21.35 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8402850217&sid=1&pageNo=16#303 <-- link to said post |
| 06:22.31 | Xuerian | nyenehehe "I have no moral issues with a deathknight. Especially after the torture I've gone through being a feral druid for nearly 3.5 years of this games life. I REALLY have no moral issues about wanting to kill things and making sure they die. " |
| 06:24.53 | Thunder_Child | wtb working world server |
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| 06:26.25 | Shirik | hi |
| 06:26.26 | Shirik | bye |
| 06:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Shirik|zZz |
| 06:26.33 | purl | beats Shirik|zZz severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 06:26.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 06:26.35 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 06:26.47 | Shirik|zZz | ~kill |
| 06:26.55 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, more fail |
| 06:27.02 | Shirik|zZz | why doesn't purl have some kind of "kill everything in sight" command |
| 06:27.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ~whalenuke |
| 06:27.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 06:27.21 | ScytheBlade1 | was kinda hoping that had a "whole channel" default |
| 06:27.25 | Shirik|zZz | ~obliterate |
| 06:27.34 | Shirik|zZz | ~bush |
| 06:27.35 | purl | ooooh Bush me no likey bring on the tile baby... wanna borrow my razor.... |
| 06:27.45 | Shirik|zZz | ... wtf? |
| 06:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo bush |
| 06:28.01 | purl | bush -- last modified at Wed Mar 5 14:43:41 2008 by jameswf!n=james@dsl093-157-131.phx1.dsl.speakeasy.net; it has been requested 32 times, last by Shirik|zZz, 26s ago. |
| 06:28.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ... no idea |
| 06:28.27 | Shirik|zZz | anyway, night |
| 06:28.39 | ScytheBlade1 | bai |
| 06:28.45 | Xuerian | Awesome. http://trollshaman.blogspot.com/2008/07/brief-description-of-every-spec.html |
| 06:29.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Fury: Please stop breaking my whirlwind with your sheep. |
| 06:29.06 | ScytheBlade1 | epic and win |
| 06:30.01 | ScytheBlade1 | The ele shaman one is good too |
| 06:30.21 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 06:30.42 | NightHawkTheSane | "Restoration: If I didn't have chain heal I'd be selling sex to the holy paladins sitting outside the raid." cry.. so true |
| 06:31.10 | ScytheBlade1 | haha the first two mage ones are great too |
| 06:31.28 | NightHawkTheSane | haha, indeed |
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| 06:33.57 | Xuerian | That blog is actually pretty full of win all the way through.. Found it in the dk thread XD |
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| 06:36.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I just might throw it in the RSS reader |
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| 06:38.06 | Lukian | Xuerian, that is brilliant :D |
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| 06:44.08 | Thunder_Child | "Spongebob is not a contraceptive" |
| 06:44.22 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 06:44.34 | Xuerian | That's a scary thought no matter how you take it |
| 06:45.01 | ScytheBlade1 | So scary in fact |
| 06:45.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That I'm poofing for the night |
| 06:46.28 | Xuerian | ew. |
| 06:55.17 | Tekkub | I want to make a tauren DK and name him Fuckabull |
| 06:56.58 | Thunder_Child | Udderlyevil? |
| 06:57.32 | Thunder_Child | moocowofdeath |
| 06:58.06 | Tekkub | Moovingviolation |
| 06:58.35 | Thunder_Child | steakofthedammed |
| 06:58.42 | MentalPower|ZZzz | Tekkub: would that be "aww fuck a bull", "wanna fuck a bull" or "fuckable bull"? |
| 06:59.00 | Tekkub | yes |
| 06:59.03 | Tekkub | Beefstick |
| 06:59.25 | Thunder_Child | Dkinnabun |
| 06:59.29 | Thunder_Child | i win |
| 06:59.47 | Thunder_Child | you will get it if you read diskworld |
| 07:00.07 | Thunder_Child | dkburger |
| 07:00.15 | Tekkub | Filet and Mignon |
| 07:00.27 | Thunder_Child | more like dkfilet |
| 07:00.32 | Thunder_Child | even rhymes |
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| 07:11.39 | Tekkub | Rideabull might not get reported :) |
| 07:12.08 | Tekkub | can always say I'm a rodeo freak and not a furry :) |
| 07:13.09 | Thunder_Child | zoophelia prolly wont get reported |
| 07:13.30 | Thunder_Child | my totempheliac didnt |
| 07:13.47 | Xuerian | Depends on if you're on a rp server or not :p |
| 07:14.06 | Tekkub | it's kinda hard to give people a anthro race then bitch about the furries :) |
| 07:14.13 | Tekkub | I don't RP |
| 07:14.17 | Tekkub | that breaks my brain |
| 07:16.12 | Xuerian | Haha, well, really doubt rideabull would get reported anywhere but on a rp server, and there the chances would be higher not certain. |
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| 07:36.00 | Thunder_Child | "A fire mage is like a firecracker, it's pretty when it explodes, but it leaves you wanting more." |
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| 08:00.09 | Kirov | frame:SetScript("OnEvent",function(this,event,arg1) -- do stuff; end ); |
| 08:00.17 | Kirov | Is that valid? |
| 08:00.43 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 08:00.52 | nevcairiel | however rename this to self |
| 08:00.56 | nevcairiel | to get into the spirit! |
| 08:01.16 | Kirov | bah |
| 08:01.25 | Kirov | heh |
| 08:03.57 | Tem | no bah |
| 08:04.01 | Tem | 'this' is evil |
| 08:04.52 | nevcairiel | well in this case, its only a parameter and not the global this |
| 08:05.00 | nevcairiel | but still :) |
| 08:05.33 | cncfanatics | there is a global this ? :o |
| 08:05.41 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 08:05.55 | cncfanatics | eek, what does it do ? |
| 08:06.02 | nevcairiel | its set to the current frame the event occured on |
| 08:06.07 | Tekkub | it does this |
| 08:06.13 | cncfanatics | never used it |
| 08:06.16 | cncfanatics | never will hopefully |
| 08:06.16 | Kirov | when you use this it's the global |
| 08:06.33 | Kirov | cncfanatics - I take it you didn't do frame stuff often. |
| 08:06.35 | Thunder_Child | ~vs this self |
| 08:06.35 | purl | in a one on one showdown, everyone wins. |
| 08:07.13 | Tekkub | I do frame shit a bunch and I don't use this |
| 08:07.54 | Kirov | these days I save the frame as a local variable and do all of the operations to it using that local. |
| 08:08.06 | Kirov | I'm modifying some old code. |
| 08:08.33 | haste | I havent used this since 1.10 or so |
| 08:08.38 | Tem | Kirov, use self when you can |
| 08:08.52 | Tem | even if you have a local upvalue, the current scope will be fastest |
| 08:11.00 | Arrowmaster | i think ckk tested it and found 'function table:method(...) end' to be faster than 'function table.method(self, ...) end' when accessing self just because of minor optimiztions lua does |
| 08:12.43 | Tekkub | yes, colon notation is handled slightly better by lua |
| 08:12.54 | Kirov | that's fine, I use colon pretty much exclusively, apart from SetScript |
| 08:13.55 | Kirov | This particular addon is "everything local". |
| 08:14.28 | Kirov | organized everything by scope, rather than the Cosmos method of having 400 local variables at the start. |
| 08:14.42 | batrick | you can't have 400 locals :P |
| 08:15.00 | Tekkub | you're only allowed 399.5 |
| 08:15.06 | Kirov | batrick - I'm exagerating ... though I've actually hit the limit. |
| 08:15.23 | batrick | there's nothing shameful about it? |
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| 08:15.56 | Tekkub | using locals is good, but when you start localizing global functions you can actually end up wasting a good deal of memory for a minor speed improvement |
| 08:16.12 | Kirov | Well, the addon I used it in was close to 20k lines of code. Now people do basically the same addon in around 500 lines. |
| 08:16.28 | Tekkub | 20k? WTFC? |
| 08:16.43 | Kirov | heh |
| 08:16.49 | batrick | Uh, it depends how often the function is run and whether it returns |
| 08:16.59 | Arrowmaster | at that point you should just use _G since the local table is faster than the global too |
| 08:17.04 | batrick | e.g. a main function should have as many locals as is sane |
| 08:17.25 | Tekkub | batrick, actually I'm thinking about upvalues |
| 08:17.40 | batrick | What's wrong with upvalues? they are just as fast as locals |
| 08:17.55 | Tekkub | yea, but they cost more to your functions |
| 08:18.07 | batrick | if you are constantly making new closures, sure |
| 08:18.11 | Tekkub | I'm talking about the people that make a local for every global function they call |
| 08:18.11 | batrick | but the cost is very minor |
| 08:18.23 | batrick | upvalues are pretty cheap if you are already making closures |
| 08:18.36 | batrick | Tekkub: that's perfectly good practice |
| 08:18.39 | Kirov | Simple Action Sets, doing everything GetActionInfo and GetCursorInfo does as accurately as possible required a lot of code. |
| 08:18.41 | Tem | every function is a closure, duh |
| 08:18.51 | Kirov | Most of the code is still the UI though. |
| 08:19.06 | batrick | Tem: huh? |
| 08:19.19 | Tem | every function is a closure |
| 08:19.21 | batrick | Why are you randomly pointing out the obvious? |
| 08:19.50 | Tem | because that isn't immediately obvious to anyone who hadn't written an interpreter before |
| 08:20.02 | batrick | have you? |
| 08:20.26 | Tem | indeed |
| 08:20.33 | Tem | very fun :) |
| 08:20.36 | batrick | My point is there are _very few_ times when locals are less than optimal |
| 08:21.21 | Kirov | batrick - how about creating a local value of a deep table value that's then only used once. |
| 08:22.01 | Kirov | There's a couple lines of that kind of code in the project at work right now. I try to ignore it. |
| 08:22.34 | batrick | perhaps it was done to keep a line of code under 80 characters to fit in the terminal? |
| 08:22.40 | batrick | Either way, it makes no difference |
| 08:22.41 | Xuerian|Coma | Simple rule. Called rapidly, called repeatedly, use a local. |
| 08:22.42 | Xuerian|Coma | >_> |
| 08:22.45 | batrick | the value ends up on the stack either way |
| 08:22.55 | Kirov | loca value = self.foo.self.bar.self.baz[1].self.name |
| 08:22.55 | Kirov | if value then |
| 08:22.55 | Kirov | return 1; |
| 08:22.55 | Kirov | end |
| 08:23.13 | Kirov | That's seriously what the code looks like... it's so frustrating |
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| 08:23.24 | batrick | Technically it makes no difference |
| 08:23.41 | batrick | Sure style wize it may seem distasteful, but it makes no difference |
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| 08:24.04 | Kirov | does that get stripped out? |
| 08:24.16 | batrick | does what get stripped out? |
| 08:24.19 | Tekkub | 80 chars? lawl... widescreen monitors are cheap |
| 08:24.31 | Kirov | the extra local |
| 08:24.36 | batrick | That's the standard width of a terminal Tekkub |
| 08:24.43 | Tekkub | so/ |
| 08:24.50 | batrick | it's convention a line of code fit within that many chars |
| 08:25.02 | Tekkub | right.... |
| 08:25.07 | Tekkub | I'd stab myself |
| 08:25.47 | Kirov | APL broke that rule all the time. |
| 08:25.48 | Kirov | heh |
| 08:25.49 | Tekkub | 230 cols FTFW |
| 08:26.01 | Kirov | ~wiki APL |
| 08:26.04 | Thunder_Child | ftfw? |
| 08:26.11 | Tekkub | for the fucking win |
| 08:27.20 | Tekkub | see, upgrade your monitor to something modern, and you can cut your code down to 1/4 as many lines! |
| 08:27.25 | Kalroth | ftfw ftw |
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| 08:29.12 | batrick | Tekkub: some people like to have APIs, documentation, porno, WoW, etc. open while coding |
| 08:29.20 | batrick | so taking up the whole screen is not great |
| 08:29.23 | Tekkub | dual monitor |
| 08:29.29 | batrick | I have dual monitors |
| 08:29.29 | Kirov | dual computer |
| 08:29.36 | Thunder_Child | quad monitor |
| 08:29.37 | Tekkub | another modern inovation |
| 08:29.38 | batrick | and I still code under the 80 char limit |
| 08:29.44 | Thunder_Child | ftw |
| 08:29.47 | batrick | whatever |
| 08:29.54 | Tekkub | when in doubt, add more monitors |
| 08:30.03 | Kirov | and more computers! |
| 08:30.14 | batrick | You guys are going to one day work for real and find out that shit doesn't fly |
| 08:30.15 | Tekkub | and yes, I have run four, briefly, in the past... just cause I could :) |
| 08:30.16 | Kirov | (and porn!) |
| 08:30.34 | Tekkub | batrick, that shit's flown for many years for me |
| 08:30.38 | Tem | porn while coding is just a really bad idea |
| 08:30.49 | Tekkub | sorry man, not everyone's stuck in the terminal-limited era |
| 08:31.24 | Kirov | Hell, I code at my real work and regularly go over 80 characters per line. |
| 08:31.44 | Kirov | It's especially hard when you're trying to be as descriptive as possible with variable names, etc. |
| 08:31.47 | Tem | but then a lot of the crap I have to work on is VB.net |
| 08:32.00 | Tem | When you wrote in VB, you don't get to bitch about style |
| 08:32.04 | Kirov | I do Lua, MEL, and HLSL |
| 08:32.16 | Kirov | Some C# |
| 08:32.35 | Tem | hopefully I'll get to move to a C# project once I finish with this one |
| 08:32.55 | Tem | or maybe I can convince my boss that VB4 is fucking anchient and we should upgrade to C# |
| 08:33.20 | Kirov | We got C# running on the PS3 for Sony... just for kicks. |
| 08:33.24 | Tem | s/ch/c/ |
| 08:33.34 | Tem | Kirov, lol nic |
| 08:33.35 | Tem | e. |
| 08:33.54 | Kirov | We don't use it, and they tried to hire away the guy who did it. |
| 08:34.13 | Kirov | His response was basically, "fuck no, I don't want to work on the PS3 any more!" |
| 08:35.19 | Kirov | Tem - good luck. |
| 08:35.32 | Tekkub | but but... blue ray! |
| 08:35.38 | Tem | hah |
| 08:35.53 | haste | blu-ray * |
| 08:35.53 | Tem | PStripple is only worth anything if you're a MGS of FF fan |
| 08:36.01 | Tekkub | and I'm sure Squeenix will bring demand by releaseing the next Final Fant... shit |
| 08:36.20 | Kirov | Tem - FF is no longer PS3 exclusive, it's coming out on the Xbox 360 and PC |
| 08:36.22 | Tem | have you seen the shenanigans they're pulling with the next ff? |
| 08:36.22 | Tekkub | nope, only MGS |
| 08:36.33 | Tem | they're releasing a second game, PS3 only |
| 08:36.46 | Kirov | MGS may be coming to the Xbox soonish too |
| 08:36.50 | Tekkub | "Really Final Fantasy XIII" |
| 08:36.52 | Tem | lol |
| 08:36.58 | Tem | pretty much, Tekkub |
| 08:37.27 | Tem | our theory is that they got pretty far into the normal game and realized they had screwed up pretty bad |
| 08:37.32 | Tem | but were too far to start over |
| 08:37.39 | Tem | so they deicded to release it anyway |
| 08:37.45 | Tem | and make another game that did it "right" |
| 08:37.50 | Tekkub | don't they always push out followups though ever since, what, X? |
| 08:37.54 | Kirov | The only reason MGS 4 isn't on the Xbox 360 ... because they don't have enough space on a single disk for the 12 hours of cinematics |
| 08:37.58 | Tekkub | I know XII had a DS game |
| 08:38.35 | Tekkub | ugh I should go to bed |
| 08:38.49 | Arrowmaster | the MGS4 cinematics are all game engine cinematics not prerendered |
| 08:39.05 | Tem | that's pretty badass imo |
| 08:39.50 | Tekkub | and when you consider that it's basically a movie with a few interactive bits... |
| 08:39.57 | Tekkub | that's quite a feat really |
| 08:40.15 | Kirov | Technically the game I'm working on that's true too ... except we still captured them to video because of a problem with our animation system being shite. |
| 08:40.24 | Arrowmaster | pff its still got a lot of gameplay |
| 08:40.56 | Thunder_Child | $49.98 $19.99 (60% off) |
| 08:40.57 | Thunder_Child | For today only (just in time for the new movie), save 60% on any season of "The X-Files" |
| 08:41.04 | Kirov | Better than MGS 2 and it's 3 hours of gameplay |
| 08:41.04 | Thunder_Child | amazon if anyone is interested |
| 08:41.14 | Tekkub | I ain't bitching, I like games with plot.. and it's not like I'll ever play it anyway |
| 08:41.19 | Thunder_Child | err..that $49 should be crossed out |
| 08:41.44 | Tekkub | Kinda like Halo... to bad 2 and 3 didn't add onything to the plot :P |
| 08:42.11 | Kirov | Tekkub - not that it's Bungie's fault, they've been trying to kill Master Chief off since the first game. |
| 08:42.24 | Arrowmaster | beating halo3 on legendary less than 12hour after picking it up was a little fail |
| 08:42.38 | Tekkub | but he JUST WON'T DIE HE KEEPS RESPAWNING AT A SAVE POINT |
| 08:43.10 | Kirov | I have a friend who works at Bungie. He's told me some fun stuff about what Bungie really wanted to do with Halo. |
| 08:43.16 | Arrowmaster | but if they killed him it would create a temporal paradox |
| 08:43.47 | Tekkub | Yes, I'm a Marathon-tard, I was expecting big things of Halo... instead it was... yea... |
| 08:43.59 | Tekkub | I still think Cortana's rampant :) |
| 08:44.05 | Tekkub | or bordering on it |
| 08:44.47 | Slakah | Halo 3's multiplayer does not make up for the fact it's crap |
| 08:44.53 | Kirov | Tekkub - you ever seen any of the life size stand up statues of Master Chief? |
| 08:45.01 | Tekkub | again, that whole games with plot thing... Marathon was great... and you can still get the entire story word for word online without playing the game |
| 08:45.13 | Arrowmaster | but all the halos have had bad multiplayer |
| 08:45.17 | Tekkub | Kirov, niet |
| 08:45.31 | Arrowmaster | actually halo1 was perty good multiplayer since it was only systemlink |
| 08:46.02 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 08:46.13 | cncfanatics | whats the cleanest way to figure out if GUID x has an unitid ? |
| 08:46.20 | cncfanatics | (player, target, focus, party1, ...) |
| 08:46.36 | Tekkub | track unitid's GUIDs? |
| 08:46.43 | Arrowmaster | set it to a tooltip and check tooltip:GetUnit()? |
| 08:46.46 | Kirov | http://www.g-unleashed.com/files/52_statue.jpg - heres a model I have... notice anything odd about the pose? |
| 08:47.04 | Tekkub | tooltip doesn't sound clean at all :) |
| 08:47.14 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 08:47.17 | cncfanatics | I'm gonna make this a lib |
| 08:47.37 | Tekkub | right that's my cue to just go to bed |
| 08:47.41 | Kirov | UnitGUID ? |
| 08:47.41 | Arrowmaster | i sorta already did it |
| 08:48.00 | Arrowmaster | but i never tested it |
| 08:48.02 | cncfanatics | Kirov: that gets the guid of a unitid |
| 08:48.07 | cncfanatics | not the unitid of a guid |
| 08:48.25 | Kirov | ah |
| 08:48.37 | Arrowmaster | cncfanatics: what are you trying to do? |
| 08:48.49 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: make instanthealth into a lib |
| 08:49.20 | cncfanatics | I don't like its hackish ways |
| 08:49.28 | Arrowmaster | why a lib though? |
| 08:49.55 | cncfanatics | why not a lib ? |
| 08:49.57 | Arrowmaster | and for that you can just use the units name as the unitid |
| 08:50.11 | Arrowmaster | except ofcourse for the minor bugs that are fixed in 3.0 |
| 08:51.03 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: unitid's can change |
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| 08:51.05 | cncfanatics | could get messy |
| 08:51.13 | cncfanatics | I rather keep health via guid which doesn't change personaly |
| 08:51.32 | cncfanatics | can trigger callbacks with the guid passed |
| 08:51.53 | cncfanatics | and then the addon registered for the callback can figure out if the unitid he has corresponds to the guid I passed |
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| 09:08.48 | cncfanatics | hmmm, seriously |
| 09:08.52 | cncfanatics | instanthealth is quite badly coded |
| 09:08.58 | cncfanatics | I don't know why he does half of the stuff he does |
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| 09:11.38 | Xuerian|Coma | Perhaps to get around errors in other addons he was causing? |
| 09:12.35 | cncfanatics | none the less |
| 09:12.48 | cncfanatics | the full lib i'm writing is prolly gonna be only around 50 lines of code |
| 09:13.16 | cncfanatics | pitty I can't test it here |
| 09:14.00 | cncfanatics | just need to figure out how the combatlog events work |
| 09:15.40 | Xuerian|Coma | Best laid plans of mice and men... |
| 09:16.37 | cncfanatics | hmmm, the new combat log stuff is cool |
| 09:16.40 | cncfanatics | beats parsing :p |
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| 09:28.17 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian|Coma, coma? |
| 09:28.23 | Xuerian|Coma | Well |
| 09:28.27 | Xuerian|Coma | I was supposed to be sleeping |
| 09:28.32 | cncfanatics | hmmm, how do hots & dots work for the combatlog ? |
| 09:28.32 | Xuerian|Coma | but that didn't work out so well |
| 09:28.35 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 09:28.46 | cncfanatics | do they trigger both SPELL and SPELL_PERIODIC ? |
| 09:28.50 | cncfanatics | or just SPELL_PERIODIC ? |
| 09:29.05 | Thunder_Child | SLEEP? SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK! |
| 09:29.14 | cncfanatics | (I basicly want to make sure nothing doublecounts) |
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| 10:05.06 | DT__ | Anyone awake still? (and good with regex's >.>) |
| 10:06.50 | DT__ | Just looking for a pattern to match anything surrounded by spaces or at the beginning/end of a string, so for "abc 12 3 f a" it would match "abc" "12" "3" "f" and "a" |
| 10:07.07 | wereHamster | %w |
| 10:07.11 | cncfanatics | DT__: nothing to do with regexes |
| 10:07.16 | cncfanatics | use strsplit(" ", str); |
| 10:07.37 | DT__ | Haha, I feel dumb now >.> |
| 10:07.39 | DT__ | Thanks a bunch :) |
| 10:07.58 | wereHamster | --> for word in ("abc 12 3 f a"):gmatch("%w+") do print(word) end |
| 10:07.58 | batbot | wereHamster: abc123fa |
| 10:08.49 | wereHamster | probably more safe then strsplit, since %w will also honor tabs etc between words |
| 10:09.15 | wereHamster | and ignore punctuation |
| 10:09.53 | DT__ | Yeah, I'll use %w then |
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| 11:14.09 | Tem | Is anyone aware of a tooltip addon that does nothing but change the default location? |
| 11:15.09 | haste | write one yourself, it will be like four lines |
| 11:16.01 | Tem | is it as simple as hooking GameTooltip_SetDefaultAnchor? |
| 11:16.06 | cncfanatics | replacing even |
| 11:16.07 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 11:16.37 | cncfanatics | anyone with some spare time to help me with some testing ? |
| 11:16.42 | Tem | neat |
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| 11:28.35 | Tem | oh god. it's 6:30 am |
| 11:28.39 | Tem | why am I still awake? |
| 11:28.50 | foxlit | fliptime! |
| 11:28.57 | nevcairiel | You should trick yourself into thinking that you're already awake again |
| 11:28.59 | nevcairiel | and all is good |
| 11:29.09 | cncfanatics | why is everyone awake so late today ? : |
| 11:29.12 | foxlit | stay awake for 16 more hours, np :) |
| 11:29.46 | Cairenn | Tem: 7:30 :p |
| 11:31.30 | JoshBorke | ~morning |
| 11:31.31 | purl | Good morning! |
| 11:32.03 | cncfanatics | JoshBorke: morning |
| 11:32.12 | cncfanatics | JoshBorke: you want to test something for me ! |
| 11:32.19 | JoshBorke | no wow installed |
| 11:32.24 | cncfanatics | shhhh |
| 11:35.30 | foxlit | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?item=37018 is awesome |
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| 11:58.45 | foxlit | Hm, for some reason, I want VIEWs that take parameters |
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| 12:43.26 | foxlit | ~devtools |
| 12:43.27 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 12:43.51 | cncfanatics | ~factinfo devtools |
| 12:43.51 | purl | devtools -- last modified at Wed Mar 7 03:53:20 2007 by Cairenn|afk!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn; it has been requested 91 times, last by foxlit, 24s ago. |
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| 12:55.37 | foxlit | is there a beta-supporting version of that already? :) |
| 12:56.33 | nevcairiel | I think you only had to fix the slash handlers for it to work |
| 12:56.52 | foxlit | Ah, good point |
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| 12:59.29 | cncfanatics | wait, slashcommands changed ? |
| 12:59.39 | foxlit | not rolled back yet |
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| 13:00.14 | Legorol | cncfanatics: yup, all handlers need to be fixed |
| 13:00.49 | nevcairiel | well for now |
| 13:00.51 | foxlit | That'll no longer be the case in some future build, though |
| 13:00.58 | Legorol | oh? |
| 13:01.03 | Legorol | they said they'll roll it back? |
| 13:01.05 | foxlit | Is there an easy way to get the function signature from string.dump |
| 13:01.06 | foxlit | yes |
| 13:01.08 | Legorol | then i won't bother fixing it *grin* |
| 13:01.38 | Drundia_ | so just argument will be passed again? (what did they change it to? (editbox, arg)?) |
| 13:01.39 | Legorol | foxlit: don't think so, without knowing how dump works exactly and decoding the binary |
| 13:02.00 | Slakah | (arg, editbox) |
| 13:02.32 | Drundia | so swap for backward compatibility then? |
| 13:02.37 | Slakah | jup |
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| 13:03.08 | foxlit | setmetatable(SlashCmdList, {__newindex=function(t, k, v) rawset(t, k, function(s, m) return v(m, s); end); end}); |
| 13:03.27 | foxlit | so very evil, and yet :) |
| 13:03.41 | Legorol | I'm sad they are reverting the change just to maintain backward compatibility :( |
| 13:03.52 | foxlit | It was a silly change to start with |
| 13:03.53 | Slakah | Why? |
| 13:03.54 | Legorol | a self argument that is in 2nd place is so awkward |
| 13:04.11 | foxlit | That self argument doesn't make sense |
| 13:04.16 | Beladona | the change was causing most existing slash command implementations to break |
| 13:04.26 | Legorol | Beladona, that I realise |
| 13:04.32 | Beladona | which should have been easy to fix, but meh |
| 13:04.38 | Legorol | but if they are making the change anyway, do it so that it fits in with other function signatures |
| 13:04.48 | foxlit | Why would you ever want to know about the edit box your slash command comes from, anyway? |
| 13:04.52 | Legorol | having the editbox 2nd is just weird |
| 13:04.59 | Legorol | foxlit: i don't know, i don't care :) |
| 13:05.12 | Beladona | check the default code |
| 13:05.17 | Legorol | i'm just arguing from a purist pov that *if* you do decide to pass it, it should be passed as 1st |
| 13:05.21 | Beladona | I am sure there is usage in there explaining why |
| 13:05.42 | Legorol | it's not like they haven't done breaking changes before where new arguments came in the middle of function calls |
| 13:05.42 | Beladona | I agree Lego |
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| 13:05.52 | Beladona | and its 3.0 |
| 13:05.54 | Beladona | I mean |
| 13:06.03 | Beladona | things ARE breaking |
| 13:06.13 | Legorol | also, i don't think Blizzard should ever have to consider backwards compatibility in order to restrict a change |
| 13:06.16 | cncfanatics | true, but I think it would be the first change to break (nearly) every single addon |
| 13:06.25 | Beladona | in a way, breaking addons helps clear the board |
| 13:06.28 | Beladona | so to speak |
| 13:06.30 | Legorol | cncfanatics: so what |
| 13:06.37 | Legorol | in 2.0, they made ALL AddOns incompatible |
| 13:06.39 | Lopeppeppy | 2.0 was pretty devastating, and did clear the board nicely. It happens. |
| 13:06.41 | Legorol | thereby breaking all of them |
| 13:07.00 | Legorol | if anything, I'd like to see all AddOns made incompatible for 3.0 as well |
| 13:07.05 | Beladona | they will |
| 13:07.18 | Legorol | cool |
| 13:07.21 | Legorol | in that case, might as well make backwards incompatible changes |
| 13:07.36 | Beladona | I am speaking from expectation, not foreknowledge btw |
| 13:07.44 | Legorol | it's not hard to fix from an author's pov, and if you are updating the TOC anyway, not much extra hassle |
| 13:07.50 | foxlit | There's no benefit to breaking something from the fix of breaking something :) |
| 13:07.51 | Beladona | they could prove me wrong |
| 13:07.57 | foxlit | for the sake of |
| 13:08.07 | cncfanatics | foxlit: there is |
| 13:08.09 | Beladona | but, knowing them as well as I do, I doubt they would leave 2.0 addons compatible |
| 13:08.12 | Lopeppeppy | I think there is as well. |
| 13:08.17 | cncfanatics | gets addons that aren't being updated anymore out of the board |
| 13:08.33 | foxlit | Why is that desirable? |
| 13:08.37 | Beladona | it forces existing addon authors to debug their addons |
| 13:08.39 | cncfanatics | less people crying in this chan |
| 13:08.47 | foxlit | Oh, more people crying in this chan |
| 13:08.55 | Beladona | you don't understand how many support calls broken addons can generate |
| 13:08.55 | foxlit | Since more stuff is going to break |
| 13:08.56 | cncfanatics | less |
| 13:09.03 | cncfanatics | not true |
| 13:09.10 | cncfanatics | instead of an arcane lua error |
| 13:09.15 | cncfanatics | they'll get "Incompatible" at load |
| 13:09.19 | Beladona | aye |
| 13:09.42 | Legorol | foxlit: I'm averse to the idea of "let's not make breaking changes, because we'll be swamped by support requests" |
| 13:09.45 | Beladona | which might simply mean a Toc Update |
| 13:09.51 | Beladona | but at least the author can CHECK |
| 13:09.53 | Legorol | Get the damned users to update, simple as that |
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| 13:10.14 | foxlit | Once you start talking about "damned users", I don't think we'll ever agree |
| 13:10.15 | Legorol | Are we in agreement that the change is not very taxing from an author's pov? |
| 13:10.30 | Legorol | foxlit: apologies, that was harsher than intended |
| 13:10.40 | Legorol | I take that back |
| 13:10.43 | cncfanatics | foxlit: tbh, users that do not update their addons before asking for support are just anoying |
| 13:10.54 | foxlit | cnc: I realize. |
| 13:11.15 | foxlit | What isn't needed, however, is an artificial round of "hey, let's run this automatic updater on this program to see if it works" |
| 13:11.36 | foxlit | It's the equivalent of changing the .toc for the updated release version, I'm sure some people ended up doing that with 20000 |
| 13:11.42 | malreth | wutz this i here? blizard is braking all addons? they no that wowace is closign so there doin this on purpus 2 stop small raid gilds from raidign. gg blue thx alot!!! o btw taht was sarkasm btw |
| 13:12.33 | Legorol | lol malreth |
| 13:12.37 | cncfanatics | amg |
| 13:12.39 | cncfanatics | wowace is dawn |
| 13:12.46 | Legorol | foxlit: i agree you'll get some of that |
| 13:12.47 | cncfanatics | now I will haz to recroot an addon author for me guild |
| 13:12.50 | Beladona | the goal is to add an extra layer of protection against people running addons that simply will not work. It puts control in the hands of the author, where it belongs |
| 13:12.53 | malreth | its aready started!!! |
| 13:13.06 | Beladona | if the author decides to update the toc, evne if the incompatibilities still exist, that is the author's choice |
| 13:13.18 | Beladona | or they can spend some time debugging it |
| 13:13.23 | Beladona | and THEN release it with a new toc |
| 13:13.28 | Legorol | foxlit: I am not saying you shouldn't care about users |
| 13:13.31 | Beladona | if the end-user updates the toc on their own |
| 13:13.45 | Beladona | they do so with the understanding that it is no longer the author's responsibility to support them |
| 13:13.48 | Legorol | Hell, i am the main tech guru and troubleshooter in my guild for addons, i have plenty "customer support" experience |
| 13:14.00 | Lopeppeppy | Same here. |
| 13:14.03 | Legorol | I'm just saying you shouldn't shy away from doing things the sensible way because of potential customer support issues |
| 13:14.24 | Legorol | and as far as I can see, there are no author support issues involved |
| 13:14.36 | Legorol | that'd be a stronger reason |
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| 13:14.48 | Legorol | if authors had to spend hours fixing every single addon due to a breaking change, i might oppose it |
| 13:15.19 | foxlit | *cough*securestateheader*cough* |
| 13:15.31 | Lopeppeppy | But if it's a specific change, the amount of time they spend depends on the clarity of their code and how often they called said function. |
| 13:15.33 | Beladona | thats not as big a breakage as you think |
| 13:15.44 | Legorol | what's the issue with the state headers? |
| 13:15.49 | Slakah | The buff change might screw up a fair few mods |
| 13:15.51 | Legorol | all i know is there are big changes coming |
| 13:15.51 | Beladona | its just a shifting of where, and how it exists, but it is still there |
| 13:15.54 | foxlit | They went "poof" :) |
| 13:15.54 | cncfanatics | Beladona: you have to rewrite ur stuff basicly |
| 13:16.02 | Drundia | 2.0 was evil, though some addons required only toc change and "for k,v in t" => "for k,v in pairs(t)", if old code is likely to be compatible there is no need to make old addons incompatible |
| 13:16.02 | cncfanatics | its a differetn way of doing it |
| 13:16.05 | foxlit | So you basically get to reimplement anything that had to do with them |
| 13:16.06 | Legorol | from what i know, it's expanding functionality, isn't it? |
| 13:16.14 | Beladona | cncfanatics: believe it or not, the new version is EASIER |
| 13:16.18 | cncfanatics | Beladona: I know |
| 13:16.21 | cncfanatics | I read the code :D |
| 13:16.24 | cncfanatics | and loving it |
| 13:16.33 | cncfanatics | waiting to get in beta to get coding on it |
| 13:16.58 | Beladona | Drundia: if we went by that mentality, new features would likely never get implemented |
| 13:17.05 | Legorol | foxlit: just like any decursive type addons in 2.0. you either threw them out, or recoded them completely |
| 13:17.21 | cncfanatics | Legorol: you just threw them out tbh |
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| 13:17.24 | foxlit | Legorol: bad comparison |
| 13:17.27 | cncfanatics | the point of those was the decurse automaticly |
| 13:17.27 | Beladona | sometimes old has to be modified to make new work |
| 13:17.29 | Legorol | ok |
| 13:17.31 | cncfanatics | that got thrown out definatly |
| 13:17.32 | foxlit | I'd settle for "just like any unit frame type addons" :) |
| 13:17.36 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 13:17.38 | cncfanatics | or actionbars |
| 13:17.42 | Legorol | foxlit: right |
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| 13:17.55 | Legorol | ok fair point |
| 13:18.04 | Drundia | ye, those especially |
| 13:18.04 | foxlit | Beladona: in this case, there's no reason to break existing functionality |
| 13:18.05 | Legorol | isn't there going to be a compatibility layer for the stateheader stuff? |
| 13:18.08 | foxlit | Or, at least, I can't see one |
| 13:18.08 | Legorol | or maybe someone could write one? |
| 13:18.12 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.14 | Drundia | it was a large amount of broken addons |
| 13:18.15 | foxlit | They simply axes securestateheader |
| 13:18.18 | foxlit | axed |
| 13:18.21 | Beladona | the underlying code that makes them work is changing |
| 13:18.39 | nevcairiel | I seriously hope blizzard never starts to venture into "Compat Layer" land |
| 13:18.41 | nevcairiel | its evil |
| 13:18.43 | Beladona | the functionality still exists, albeit requiring code reworking |
| 13:18.50 | nevcairiel | we have ages of beta and keys for authors |
| 13:18.51 | foxlit | Beladona: point is, existing, secure implementations of stuff that is supposed to work will not at 3.0 release |
| 13:18.53 | nevcairiel | fix your damn addons |
| 13:18.56 | Legorol | nevcairiel: they have been doing it forever |
| 13:19.06 | Beladona | I would argue that is for the better though |
| 13:19.07 | Legorol | there are several global Lua functions that existed only for compatibility |
| 13:19.12 | Beladona | its a 3.0 release |
| 13:19.20 | foxlit | There's no reason to break the thing in the first place - introduce restricted layers, let people keep old-style secureheaders around if they want to :) |
| 13:19.21 | Beladona | if this was happening at 2.4 I would probably be upset |
| 13:19.36 | nevcairiel | Legorol: yes, but its not their API, its just lua functions that are used by their own code as well |
| 13:19.45 | cncfanatics | foxlit: compat layers are evil |
| 13:19.49 | Legorol | nevcairiel: true |
| 13:19.55 | Beladona | we will never agree then. I fundamentally disagree that compatibility should be 100% |
| 13:20.04 | Drundia | we still have trigonometric functions accepting degrees in global, and accepting radians in math table |
| 13:20.08 | nevcairiel | I'll start to write hatemail if they design a compat layer for the secure stuff |
| 13:20.16 | Legorol | I think that making sweeping changes at 3.0 is the place to do it. |
| 13:20.17 | cncfanatics | same nevcairiel |
| 13:20.22 | cncfanatics | but some addon author prolly will write one, sadly |
| 13:20.23 | Legorol | If you are going to do it at some point, now is the time |
| 13:20.23 | foxlit | cncfanatics: I'm suggesting keeping the native implementation around, not having blizzard rebuild it on the new stuff |
| 13:20.30 | Drundia | a lot of 5.0 stuff is still in wow lua |
| 13:20.41 | Beladona | there is more involved than you realize, I am sure |
| 13:20.57 | Beladona | there are likely core issues that had to be corrected, that required a reworking of the system |
| 13:21.00 | Legorol | May I actually point out that the whole securestate stuff exists *purely for the AddOn authors' benefit*, and is in no way required for the default UI? |
| 13:21.14 | Legorol | I think that's a pretty huge plus point for Blizzard int he first place |
| 13:21.26 | Legorol | So them making changes to it is the least we should complain about |
| 13:21.31 | Beladona | besides, blizz has NEVER made a promise that they would maintain compatibility with all of our addons between major revisions |
| 13:21.34 | Beladona | quite the opposite in fact |
| 13:21.47 | nevcairiel | They offer the addon authors beta keys to work with the new changes, just update your freaking addons for those ;) |
| 13:22.10 | nevcairiel | And me personally, i hope they show "Incompatible" on 2xxxx .tocs again |
| 13:22.12 | foxlit | Hurray for maintaining two code bases for a couple of months :) |
| 13:22.15 | Drundia | they'll offer free ptr of 3.0 later too |
| 13:22.34 | Drundia | mind that some things changed from 2.0 ptr to 2.0 release |
| 13:22.35 | Beladona | you dont have to maintain two code baes |
| 13:22.37 | Legorol | foxlit: I am totally sympathetic towards you if you have a lot of work as a result of the changes. |
| 13:22.45 | Legorol | I will also have to fix stuff that I haven't touched in 1.5 years. |
| 13:22.47 | Beladona | thats a choice |
| 13:22.53 | Legorol | I still agree with the changes though. |
| 13:22.59 | Drundia | 2.0 ptr worked much better with empty keybindings with special names |
| 13:23.27 | foxlit | Beladona: only one option is appealing there, however. |
| 13:23.59 | foxlit | I don't really want to abandon BC users while the wrath release date is still unannounced; nor do I want to have to rewrite everything at release day :) |
| 13:24.12 | Beladona | right |
| 13:24.17 | Beladona | but that still constitutes a choice |
| 13:24.38 | Beladona | the fact that we have that choice speaks volumes imho |
| 13:24.55 | foxlit | The fact that we have to make that choice speaks volumes, too. |
| 13:25.00 | amro | foxlit: you don't have to rewrite starting today, you can wait until release is closer |
| 13:25.16 | amro | it's a major revision. breakage happens |
| 13:25.43 | foxlit | And that's okay -- as long as it's unavoidable |
| 13:25.52 | Beladona | I think the point is, you chose to write addons. To do so meant you chose to work with a system that is "subject to change" as are ANY MMO. Doing so meant you chose to have to sometimes rewrite, or even scrap ideas at times |
| 13:26.04 | foxlit | The 2.0 stuff was, since introduction of taint more or less changed the game. |
| 13:26.09 | Beladona | its not Blizzard screwing with us as authors |
| 13:26.40 | Beladona | I would argue the taint system was not unavoidable |
| 13:26.51 | Beladona | there were alternatives, but none you would like |
| 13:26.59 | Fisker- | i thought you could make your addons only implement certain stuff if it was 2.x vs. 3.x |
| 13:27.38 | foxlit | Fisker-: yes, you can check build and run different code based on that. It's not very pretty. |
| 13:27.52 | foxlit | The 3.0 stuff? It seems trivial to keep backwards compatibility. |
| 13:28.21 | Beladona | Fisker-: you can build an addon with split code that only gets used based on your version, but as foxlit said, that can get messy |
| 13:28.23 | Beladona | and huge |
| 13:28.25 | foxlit | [of course, that's mostly selfish - that means blizzard gets to maintain two code bases :)] |
| 13:28.41 | Beladona | foxlit: so far the vast majority of changes ARE backwards compatibly |
| 13:28.52 | Beladona | so far there hasn't been ANYHTING as sweeping as the taint system |
| 13:29.03 | cncfanatics | the secure stuff is quite huge |
| 13:29.05 | cncfanatics | its a total redesign |
| 13:29.15 | Beladona | you mean the state headers? |
| 13:29.16 | cncfanatics | but ofc it ain't nearly as big as taint |
| 13:29.18 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 13:29.25 | Beladona | it isn't going to affect all addons though |
| 13:29.28 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 13:29.32 | cncfanatics | only unitframes & actionbars |
| 13:29.33 | foxlit | Neither is taint, really :) |
| 13:29.34 | Beladona | it isn't nearly as sweeping as the taint system |
| 13:30.03 | Beladona | and the functionality still exists |
| 13:30.13 | Beladona | it was just redone to make your job easier in the long run |
| 13:30.31 | cncfanatics | yea, exactly |
| 13:30.44 | cncfanatics | the 2.x implemenation is a PAIN |
| 13:30.45 | Beladona | lets face it |
| 13:30.48 | foxlit | I suppose I'm in the minority for not actually despising the current implementation? |
| 13:30.53 | Beladona | who had to learn state headers when it was added |
| 13:30.56 | Beladona | I mean really LEARN it |
| 13:30.59 | cncfanatics | *raises hand* |
| 13:31.06 | foxlit | I had to READ it |
| 13:31.22 | foxlit | I still do, occasionally :) |
| 13:31.25 | Beladona | it was different enough from normal api and usage mechanics in wow, that it took some shifting of perception |
| 13:31.36 | Beladona | the changes make it easier to pick up and use imho |
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| 13:32.04 | Beladona | they would have probably built a wrapper on top of the old system |
| 13:32.06 | Beladona | could* |
| 13:32.09 | cncfanatics | I never even used any state based mechanisms before they implementation that |
| 13:32.13 | Beladona | but wrappers are evil in base code imho |
| 13:32.15 | cncfanatics | Beladona: we could also tbh |
| 13:32.19 | Beladona | aye |
| 13:32.23 | cncfanatics | if anyone rlky needs it, he'll write it |
| 13:32.28 | cncfanatics | s/k// |
| 13:33.05 | Beladona | well |
| 13:33.13 | Beladona | its like the combat log change |
| 13:33.20 | Beladona | that happened between major revisions |
| 13:33.27 | Beladona | and required rewrites |
| 13:33.37 | cncfanatics | it was also a change for the better |
| 13:33.42 | Beladona | right |
| 13:33.44 | cncfanatics | the new system was, eh, WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY better |
| 13:33.46 | Beladona | this is the same |
| 13:34.01 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 13:34.09 | cncfanatics | anything that involves parsing is bad imo :p |
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| 13:34.24 | Beladona | I love having TONS of data / control at the base code level |
| 13:34.29 | cncfanatics | same |
| 13:34.35 | cncfanatics | without having to do god damn parsing |
| 13:34.36 | Beladona | and then pairing it down, simplifying it via your own code |
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| 13:34.46 | cncfanatics | I'm against parsing :p |
| 13:34.52 | cncfanatics | I rather have stuff I don't have to parse |
| 13:34.55 | Beladona | its like using a cli instead of a gui |
| 13:35.01 | Beladona | you can build a gui to sue the cli |
| 13:35.04 | Beladona | if you really need it |
| 13:35.08 | Beladona | use* |
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| 14:10.23 | cog|away | Beladona: next time you have to argue with legorol re: the slash command change, it may be helpful to point out that a grand total of two (maybe 3) default UI slash commands even use the "self" parameter in the first place. Imo, it shouldn't even be called self, it should just be editBox. And as the least important parameter it makes sense to go second. :) |
| 14:10.44 | cog|away | and the only reason they use it is to determine the current language setting afaik |
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| 14:18.11 | cog|away | rawr |
| 14:18.14 | cog|away | 'nuff said |
| 14:18.37 | Fisker- | they should buff death knights moar |
| 14:18.54 | Fisker- | I seem to be doing badly in ring of blood solo |
| 14:19.39 | nevcairiel | srsly, you suck |
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| 14:55.28 | Beladona | whoever said DK needs to be buffed needs to be shot |
| 14:55.37 | Beladona | go chain pull undead and then tell me that |
| 14:56.05 | kaiden | lol it doesn't even matter if they are undead really :P |
| 14:56.13 | kaiden | DK's are perfect right where they are imo |
| 14:56.20 | Beladona | no but its REALLY good with undead |
| 14:56.25 | Beladona | you can pull a huge group and just waste them |
| 14:56.30 | kaiden | a bit more powerful than the normal class but not ungodly powerful |
| 14:56.32 | foxlit | Not a lot of things are undead, unfortuantely |
| 14:56.36 | kaiden | kinda how they are supposed to be after all |
| 14:56.41 | kaiden | foxlit, there are in northrend |
| 14:56.43 | Beladona | Northrend..... |
| 14:56.52 | foxlit | animals and humanoids, for me |
| 14:56.53 | Fisker- | what do i need undeads for Beladona ? |
| 14:57.21 | Fisker- | They don't possess any advantage towards undeads as far as i know |
| 14:57.30 | foxlit | Perhaps Borean Tundra was a bad choice, but the only undead were there for the first three quests or so |
| 14:57.31 | Beladona | I dont know but it feels like you do more dmg |
| 14:57.36 | Beladona | at least in my exp |
| 14:57.44 | foxlit | at any specific level? |
| 14:57.51 | Fisker- | They're are probably less armored than humanoids |
| 14:57.57 | Fisker- | (bones and all that, etc) |
| 14:58.01 | Beladona | lol |
| 14:58.49 | Fisker- | but death and decay is bugged |
| 14:58.49 | Beladona | well yeah |
| 14:58.49 | Fisker- | so it performs worse than it should ;_; |
| 14:58.49 | Beladona | it WAS op |
| 14:58.49 | Fisker- | was? :o |
| 14:58.49 | Beladona | yeah |
| 14:58.50 | foxlit | Seems to do what the tooltip says it does |
| 14:59.04 | Fisker- | the diseases don't proc bloodworms though |
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| 14:59.29 | Beladona | what level is your DK now? |
| 14:59.51 | foxlit | 61 |
| 14:59.56 | Beladona | blood? |
| 14:59.58 | Fisker- | mine is 65 |
| 15:00.01 | foxlit | yes |
| 15:00.25 | kaiden | i'm stuck watching my roommate play |
| 15:00.27 | Fisker- | i think foxlit should help me with ring of blood |
| 15:00.29 | kaiden | such punishment too |
| 15:00.30 | kaiden | lol |
| 15:00.32 | Beladona | should get together and get to 70 so you can go to Northrend |
| 15:00.39 | Beladona | on your DK |
| 15:00.41 | Fisker- | that or get killed of course |
| 15:01.08 | Beladona | Enh Shammy feels more powerful too in beta (in a good way) |
| 15:01.23 | Fisker- | doh |
| 15:01.25 | Fisker- | should've gone aldor |
| 15:01.32 | Beladona | why? |
| 15:01.33 | foxlit | I noticed they tuned HP for level 70 mobs |
| 15:01.38 | Fisker- | because i need to go to nagrand |
| 15:01.51 | foxlit | No longer slice through them in t6 |
| 15:02.08 | foxlit | [well, they didn't actually _change_ anything, it's just that northrend 70s have more health] |
| 15:02.12 | Beladona | 70 mobs in Northrend? |
| 15:02.16 | Beladona | or in general? |
| 15:02.21 | Beladona | ahh |
| 15:02.27 | Beladona | I imagine thats on purpose |
| 15:02.48 | foxlit | You imagine correctly :) |
| 15:02.56 | foxlit | Cheaters, though |
| 15:03.03 | Beladona | what about the people that aren't in T6 though? |
| 15:03.05 | Fisker- | the new spellpower, holy shock and judgement changes for holy paladins are just awesome btw |
| 15:03.09 | Beladona | wont they have a hard time? |
| 15:03.12 | foxlit | Who cares about the peasants?! |
| 15:03.15 | Beladona | lol |
| 15:03.18 | Beladona | I do |
| 15:03.23 | Beladona | I am going from Resto to Enhancement |
| 15:03.28 | Beladona | so I dont have T6 enhancement gear |
| 15:03.32 | Beladona | only resto |
| 15:03.34 | foxlit | try elemental instead? |
| 15:03.36 | Fisker- | probably have gotten around ~300 more spelldamage without losing any healing |
| 15:03.41 | Beladona | I hate elemental |
| 15:04.08 | foxlit | Can't imagine why :P |
| 15:04.15 | Beladona | its boring |
| 15:04.22 | Beladona | not that healing isn' |
| 15:04.28 | foxlit | Is it the Lightning Bolt or the Chain Lightning that you have a problem with? :P |
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| 15:04.40 | |Jelly| | http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm304/mrmerchant/resto.gif |
| 15:04.54 | Beladona | I did try a hybrid ele resto build that had earth shield though |
| 15:04.58 | Beladona | very nice |
| 15:05.05 | Beladona | decent dmg, and great survivability |
| 15:05.11 | Lopeppeppy | Nice, Jelly. *laugh* |
| 15:05.37 | foxlit | T6 has a profound effect on gameplay |
| 15:05.50 | foxlit | Namely that you don't have to look at your health bar |
| 15:08.52 | Beladona | yeah it does |
| 15:09.13 | Beladona | I love the shammy t6 shoulders too. one of the best looks in the game imho |
| 15:09.38 | Beladona | cant wait to see what t7 will be like |
| 15:09.42 | Fisker- | meh |
| 15:09.45 | Beladona | if they even continue the tier idea |
| 15:09.46 | Fisker- | they should change weapon skills |
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| 15:09.50 | Fisker- | blade, blunt and fist |
| 15:09.56 | Fisker- | that'd be awesome |
| 15:10.00 | Beladona | simplify it? |
| 15:10.03 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 15:10.08 | Beladona | swordsaxes sh |
| 15:10.10 | Fisker- | cause i can't get void axe from blood of ring |
| 15:10.14 | Beladona | share |
| 15:10.16 | Fisker- | ring of blood :P |
| 15:10.26 | Fisker- | so i'm going to buy the sword from halaa |
| 15:10.34 | Fisker- | but that'll take time to skill up :( |
| 15:11.07 | Fisker- | anyone else getting weird messages in combat log? |
| 15:11.42 | Fisker- | http://i36.tinypic.com/2hfovlz.jpg |
| 15:11.50 | Beladona | my guild starts Illidan this week |
| 15:11.54 | Beladona | wish us lluck |
| 15:12.20 | Beladona | first night of raiding we cleared past Mother. thats not bad |
| 15:12.24 | Fisker- | he's downable in a night |
| 15:12.35 | Beladona | we have had pretty good luck with bosses |
| 15:12.39 | Beladona | we one shotted mother first try |
| 15:12.45 | Beladona | and downed council in 5 attempts |
| 15:13.05 | Beladona | we will have 1.5 nights on Illidan |
| 15:13.13 | Beladona | so I think we will have him |
| 15:13.46 | Beladona | more than that actually, since Council should be one shottable |
| 15:13.52 | Beladona | and we raid for 4 hours |
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| 15:20.48 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: why are you horde >_> now the only thing that'll ever happen with us is me pwning joo |
| 15:21.13 | Fisker- | you can't |
| 15:21.31 | Fisker- | <-unstoppable pretty much |
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| 15:30.26 | Cralor` | hey guys. quick question: to implement the Interface Options addon config you need the use of XML, right or wrong? |
| 15:31.04 | digmouse | AceGUI-3.0 will do it for you |
| 15:31.13 | Cralor` | but then i need all the Ace libs |
| 15:31.27 | Cide | regarding your question; wrong |
| 15:31.37 | Cide | you should be able to do it in lua |
| 15:32.09 | Seerah | Cide: he was asking because in Zoot's post about it it says xml |
| 15:32.21 | Cide | I guess zoot fails |
| 15:32.26 | Cide | digmouse fails too |
| 15:32.29 | Seerah | I've been using Ace, so wasn't sure on that |
| 15:32.41 | Cide | god I'm pro at syncing |
| 15:32.41 | Cralor` | well i'm sure there is a way in Lua, i was just wondering :D |
| 15:32.41 | Seerah | do I fail too? :P |
| 15:32.49 | Cide | I don't know |
| 15:33.02 | Cide | if you're sure already, why are you wasting my time? |
| 15:33.04 | Cide | afk |
| 15:34.36 | digmouse | but ace3 is not a framework, parts of them can be mixin separately though |
| 15:35.04 | Cide | what is it then? |
| 15:35.18 | Cide | of course it's a framework |
| 15:35.25 | malreth | eh, just ape tekkub's code from his addons for the options gui |
| 15:35.28 | Cide | unless you want to refer to it as a 'monster' or what have you |
| 15:35.34 | Cide | but that's up to you |
| 15:35.47 | |Jelly| | RIP Randy Pausch :( |
| 15:35.53 | malreth | Cide: it's more like a tentacle rape demon than a monster or a framework |
| 15:36.07 | malreth | it can work itself into any crevice |
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| 15:36.19 | malreth | like the Overfiend |
| 15:36.49 | Cide | that's quite disturbing |
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| 15:45.16 | Lopeppeppy | Aww. *hug* |
| 15:51.16 | amro | Cralor`: http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/UIOptionsFrame.lua |
| 15:51.26 | amro | scroll down, comments include sample code |
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| 16:16.13 | foxlit | Is font kerning somewhat broken in the beta client? |
| 16:17.43 | foxlit | Chat frame seems to look unusually bad |
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| 16:20.51 | Shirik | The suggestion forums are awesome |
| 16:21.04 | Shirik | post: Make BE playable for Trial accounts!!! |
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| 16:21.15 | Shirik | reply, 1 minute later: BEs are playable on BC trial accounts. You can, in fact, do the BC trial and roll a blood elf. |
| 16:21.25 | Shirik | OP reply, 2 minutes later: /bump!!!!!! |
| 16:25.44 | Lopeppeppy | Reply: Refresh before bumping, or are you just terminally stupid? |
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| 16:29.44 | batrick | y would u read that |
| 16:29.50 | batrick | OT is more fun |
| 16:30.50 | batrick | oi Shirik |
| 16:30.55 | batrick | fix filum! |
| 16:35.18 | p3lim | Anyone good with gsubs and chat filters here? |
| 16:35.37 | p3lim | trying to add whispers to this piece of code: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92440 |
| 16:38.54 | Cide | whose code did you steal? |
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| 16:42.41 | p3lim | Cide: you asking me? |
| 16:42.47 | Cide | yes |
| 16:42.54 | p3lim | im using idChat |
| 16:43.03 | Cide | so Industrial |
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| 16:47.01 | cncfanatics | whats the easyest way to figure the unitID of a GUID ? |
| 16:47.58 | digmouse | wasnt there a api? |
| 16:48.08 | Slakah | nope |
| 16:48.11 | Cide | for k, v in ipairs(unit_ids) do if ( UnitGUID(v) == GUID ) then return v end end |
| 16:48.23 | cncfanatics | Cide: thanks |
| 16:48.24 | Cide | enjoy |
| 16:48.29 | cncfanatics | there's a lot of those though :( |
| 16:48.37 | Cide | yup |
| 16:48.54 | cncfanatics | focus, target, party1...5 raid1...40 mouseover, targettarget, player ? |
| 16:49.04 | Wikwocket | and pets I imagine |
| 16:49.19 | Cide | -pet, -target, -targettarget, -targetpettarget, ... |
| 16:50.02 | Cide | and if nobody is targeting a specific mob, you'll never find it out |
| 16:50.16 | Cide | because then there is no unit id for it |
| 16:51.18 | Cide | for efficiency, keep a cache for all static unit id's (the ones you mentioned minis mouseover, target, targettarget) |
| 16:51.36 | Cide | and just do cache[guid] = "unit_id" |
| 16:51.40 | Cide | and check for that |
| 16:51.53 | Cide | and scan the rest (append "target" etc) if nothing shows up |
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| 16:56.03 | Shirik | 500 Internal Server Error |
| 16:56.04 | Shirik | The page you've access is experiencing an error. |
| 16:56.09 | Shirik | Not only is your site broken |
| 16:56.14 | Shirik | you fail at grammar |
| 16:57.16 | batrick | no u |
| 16:57.27 | Wikwocket | ... |
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| 16:57.55 | Cide | 501 Grammar Failure |
| 17:00.02 | batrick | so I just noticed how humorous it is if you switch the name of this song "superhero of the computer rage" to "rage of the computer superhero" |
| 17:00.32 | Cide | haha |
| 17:00.35 | Cide | that's great |
| 17:03.15 | batrick | man |
| 17:03.32 | batrick | this nmap scan was going great for these 2k hosts, and came to a grinding crawl at 90% + |
| 17:06.51 | Shirik | I blame yourcode |
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| 17:07.08 | batrick | ya well NSE isn't running right now so it's not my fault! |
| 17:08.00 | batrick | the old NSE author and nmap author have an aversion to C code doing tons of stack operations via Lua's C api |
| 17:09.12 | Amarande | aaaggghhh. |
| 17:10.04 | batrick | Shirik: do the stack operations here look confusing to you? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92442 |
| 17:10.45 | Amarande | before I go to download it ... did the .13 ArkInventory fix the font glitch yet? |
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| 17:20.01 | Kirov | http://hazyourmilkshake.com/archive/2008/07/09/why-math-is-taught-in-school.aspx |
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| 17:27.38 | IdentifyTarget | hello, are there any admins present? I have an urgent matter concerning my personal information posted on your site and my personal safety |
| 17:28.16 | TecnoBrat | Shirik ^^ |
| 17:28.27 | Kalroth | You should specify the site, IdentifyTarget |
| 17:28.31 | Shirik | hi IdentifyTarget |
| 17:28.43 | IdentifyTarget | http://www.cosmosui.org/archive/index.php/t-52180.html |
| 17:28.55 | TecnoBrat | oh good call Kalroth, haha |
| 17:29.11 | Shirik | right, I'm not an admin of cosmos and this is not a cosmos channel |
| 17:29.15 | Kalroth | So what about that thread? |
| 17:29.18 | Shirik | I'm not quite sure if there are any here |
| 17:29.19 | Kalroth | Shirik: It kinda is :) |
| 17:29.28 | cogwheel | AnduinLothar: ^ |
| 17:29.33 | Shirik | No it isn't, it's merely the channel that cosmos recommends going to |
| 17:29.41 | Hirsute | That link doesn't work, anyway.... |
| 17:29.53 | cogwheel | Hirsute: worked for me |
| 17:30.05 | IdentifyTarget | according to their site this is their new irc channel http://www.cosmosui.org/showthread.php?t=57574 |
| 17:30.07 | Kalroth | It works here, but nothing odd in it |
| 17:30.08 | durcyn | that's also, uh, three years ago |
| 17:30.34 | Hirsute | Odd. |
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| 17:30.39 | cogwheel | IdentifyTarget: see the faq http://www.cosmosui.org/irc.php |
| 17:30.41 | Shirik | From their page, "NOTE: This channel is not Cosmos-specific! It is a cross-site channel used mainly for addon author collaboration and discussion about WoW user interface modification." |
| 17:30.42 | TecnoBrat | IdentifyTarget, so what is the issue exactly? |
| 17:30.51 | Shirik | but yes, you would do well to say exactly what the problem is |
| 17:30.54 | Hirsute | Ah, there it goes. |
| 17:30.58 | TecnoBrat | cause ... I don't see anything weird with that forum post |
| 17:31.00 | Kirov | ~seen AnduinLothar |
| 17:31.02 | purl | anduinlothar is currently on #wowuidev (11h 30m 20s) #wowace (11h 30m 20s), last said: 'anyway. i dont like being yelled at or whined at constantly for buffs. there's no way to do it perfect and it's not easy to do well.'. |
| 17:31.02 | IdentifyTarget | I need to speak privately about so PM me if you can help |
| 17:31.34 | cogwheel | IdentifyTarget: why not use the PM feature on cosmos? |
| 17:31.43 | IdentifyTarget | For reasons concerning my personal safety I need a post removed from this thread http://www.cosmosui.org/archive/index.php/t-52180.html |
| 17:31.54 | TecnoBrat | lol |
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| 17:32.24 | cogwheel | IdentifyTarget: the cosmos site has a "cosmos team" link |
| 17:32.31 | cogwheel | where you can PM the admins |
| 17:33.03 | IdentifyTarget | thank you |
| 17:33.11 | Hirsute | He must be "jeffamerica". Don't worry, knowing your name is "Jeff" and that you're in America won't expose you to any danger. |
| 17:33.55 | Kirov | Hirsute - the real problem is that his name is Baro and he lives in Iran. |
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| 17:34.33 | IdentifyTarget | possibly |
| 17:35.28 | Hirsute | Right, well that's *much* more dangerous.... (must not be very observant today) |
| 17:36.59 | TecnoBrat | I aparantly am blind |
| 17:37.14 | TecnoBrat | becuase I really don't see what could be life threatening about that post |
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| 17:38.38 | Hirsute | Don't see a post from Baro in Iran at all, but then, I couldn't get the page to come up the first time I tried. Must be living in an alternate universe today. |
| 17:38.55 | cogwheel | i see a couple e-mail addys but that's it... |
| 17:39.04 | cogwheel | hardly anything "personal safety" related |
| 17:39.46 | Vangual | make sure to get the data checked and purged from all other internet caches aswell tho, wayback machine, google cache etc. |
| 17:41.33 | TecnoBrat | cogwheel, the only thing I can think of is that the one email has his personal info in the domain whois |
| 17:41.45 | Dashkal | regarding beta character copies. Can I copy my PvP main to the PvE beta? |
| 17:41.48 | TecnoBrat | but the better solution is to go convert that to private, heh |
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| 17:43.23 | Kirov | IdentifyTarget - btw, this channel is publicly logged. If you're really that concerned with safety I wouldn't say too much here. |
| 17:43.57 | TecnoBrat | its really easy to pretty much find anything about anyone these days |
| 17:44.05 | Cide | and upon logging in here we got your hostmask |
| 17:44.25 | TecnoBrat | which gives you an IP, which gives you a city |
| 17:44.54 | Kirov | not to mention we know what other channels you're in, and those are likely publicly logged as well. |
| 17:44.59 | amro | anyone have a regex to get g,s,c from CHAT_MSG_MONEY handy? |
| 17:45.21 | TecnoBrat | takes 10 secs for someone to find my full address / phone number heh |
| 17:48.11 | Shirik | >>> return newproxy; |
| 17:48.12 | Cide | Shirik: function: 00266D40 |
| 17:48.28 | Shirik | Grr, I keep forgetting that Cide does everything in python |
| 17:48.35 | Shirik | I give up before I even start |
| 17:49.04 | Cide | import irritate; irritate.Shirik(True) |
| 17:52.11 | Kirov | amro - http://code.google.com/p/rophy-wow/source/browse/trunk/rAccountant/transaction.lua#259 |
| 17:52.25 | Drundia | what's so cool about python? |
| 17:53.08 | Dashkal | erm, wowi puts up the "updated" flag when all I did was tweak the description? |
| 17:53.59 | Kirov | Dashkal - yeah, that annoys me some. |
| 17:54.16 | Kirov | http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/07/george-lucas-co.html - oy! |
| 17:54.22 | amro | Kirov: perfect timing, I was just about to write it myself :) thanks a lot |
| 17:55.29 | Kirov | They list The Nightmare Before Christmas as being in the process of 3d-ified ... it was already 3d-ified 3 years ago and released on IMAX for the last 2 years running. |
| 17:55.43 | Cide | $50k to $100k per minute |
| 17:55.44 | Cide | ouch |
| 17:56.24 | Kirov | Kinda' makes sense. |
| 17:56.29 | amro | Kirov: where are you defining GOLD/SILVER/COPPER? |
| 17:56.36 | Kirov | amro - I'm not. |
| 17:56.54 | Kirov | technically, it's not my code, but those are defined in GlobalStrings last I looked |
| 17:57.17 | amro | they're not defined for me |
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| 17:58.29 | Shirik | Kirov: That's old |
| 17:58.30 | Shirik | very old |
| 17:58.30 | Cide | they were renamed |
| 17:58.39 | Shirik | let me see, Auctioneer should have a JIRA about it |
| 17:58.52 | Cide | the news? it was posted yesterday |
| 17:59.15 | Shirik | no |
| 17:59.17 | Shirik | those vars changing |
| 17:59.20 | Cide | ah |
| 17:59.25 | Dashkal | Shirik: should I bother posting about that or is it just accepted beheviour? (updated flag when the file wasn't touched, only the description) |
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| 18:00.01 | Shirik | Kirov: Check fisheye's report on http://jira.norganna.org/browse/GATH-60 |
| 18:00.43 | amro | found em in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 18:00.46 | amro | also contain the pattern needed |
| 18:01.37 | Kirov | GOLD_AMOUNT, SILVER_AMOUNT, COPPER_AMMOUNT? |
| 18:01.46 | amro | yes |
| 18:01.54 | amro | and they are like "%d Gold" etc |
| 18:04.56 | Kirov | local goldRegex = GOLD_AMOUNT:gsub("%%.", "(%d+)") |
| 18:05.44 | Kirov | or, I guess "%%[d%d]" would work |
| 18:05.49 | amro | yep, done that |
| 18:06.28 | Kirov | fuck you german syntax, fuck you! |
| 18:07.22 | Tem | german is one of the reasons wow's lua still has the lua 4 features of string.format |
| 18:08.34 | amro | which are pretty neat |
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| 18:08.53 | Lunessa | Station! |
| 18:09.00 | Kirov | actually, that's one thing I never really got |
| 18:09.35 | Tem | why they removed that feature from official lua? |
| 18:09.59 | Kirov | if you use %1 in your format string, what exactly is %1 expecting? |
| 18:10.11 | Kirov | (ie, is it a %d or %s)) |
| 18:10.22 | Tem | is that the syntax for it? |
| 18:10.25 | cogwheel | anything |
| 18:10.27 | Cide | isn't it %$1d or whatever |
| 18:10.38 | cogwheel | %1$whatever |
| 18:10.41 | Tem | I thought it was more like %d$1 |
| 18:10.43 | cogwheel | %1$d |
| 18:10.50 | Tem | damn, I was close |
| 18:10.52 | cogwheel | %1$.2f |
| 18:10.56 | cogwheel | etc |
| 18:10.57 | Tem | lol |
| 18:10.59 | cogwheel | it's in my lua |
| 18:11.03 | Cide | so that means %d, but that it'll receive the first argument of string.format |
| 18:11.11 | Kirov | I'd have to look at the german GlobalStrings again |
| 18:11.21 | Shirik | It's simply so that you can reorder things |
| 18:11.29 | Tem | yeah |
| 18:11.32 | Cide | >>> string.format("%2$s %1$s", "world!", "Hello") |
| 18:11.32 | Cide | Cide: "Hello world!" |
| 18:11.33 | cogwheel | lua> ("%2$.2f"):format("hi", .12345) |
| 18:11.34 | lua_bot | cogwheel: 0.12 |
| 18:11.40 | Shirik | > return string.format("%1$s %1$s |
| 18:11.40 | Shirik | fine |
| 18:11.45 | Kirov | %1$.2f would be the first argument, float, clamp to 2 decimal places |
| 18:12.00 | cogwheel | and it will continue where it left off: |
| 18:12.22 | cogwheel | lua> ("%d, %d, %1$d, %d"):format(1, 2) |
| 18:12.22 | lua_bot | cogwheel: 1, 2, 1, 2 |
| 18:12.39 | Kirov | how peculiar |
| 18:13.26 | Tem | okay, who here is good with graphics? |
| 18:13.37 | Kirov | Tem - define good, and define graphics |
| 18:14.04 | Tem | too sleepy to give a better generalization |
| 18:14.19 | Tem | I want to properly animate the d3 orbs |
| 18:14.35 | Tem | but I don't have the artsyfartsy powers to do it |
| 18:14.43 | Cide | the d3 orbs are animated already! |
| 18:14.50 | Kirov | hehehe |
| 18:14.57 | Tem | Cide, in wow |
| 18:15.05 | Cide | that would be the wow orbs |
| 18:15.11 | Cide | ^_^ |
| 18:15.14 | Tem | I hate you so much |
| 18:15.19 | NightHawkAtWork | ~lart cide |
| 18:15.19 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to cide, and goes postal |
| 18:15.31 | Cide | Tem: http://www.prezzybox.com/data/media/11814.jpg |
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| 18:15.58 | Cide | anyway, I'm horrible at graphics |
| 18:16.00 | Tem | ... |
| 18:16.04 | Tem | me too |
| 18:16.08 | Tem | which is why I'm asking in here! |
| 18:16.21 | Cide | most programmers are, good luck finding someone in here :P |
| 18:16.48 | Kirov | my work - http://blog.al.com/techcetera/2007/11/IronManOct263.JPG |
| 18:16.57 | Cide | I know a few artists, but they're all busy working for me! mwahaha |
| 18:19.02 | Lunessa | Tem: Are you just looking for textures? |
| 18:19.09 | Tem | pretty much |
| 18:19.44 | Lunessa | Edge files? Or just filler for the orbs? |
| 18:19.51 | Tem | just filler |
| 18:19.56 | Tem | I want to animate it |
| 18:20.06 | Tem | so I'll need several frames |
| 18:20.21 | Lunessa | You could probably grab the textures Hal uses - and ask/give credit and be fine. |
| 18:20.30 | Tem | Hal? |
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| 18:20.47 | Tem | has someone done the work for me already? |
| 18:20.49 | Lunessa | Halcyone - Does a popular UI layout with lots of custom textures. |
| 18:21.04 | Tem | any idea where I need to look for it? |
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| 18:21.18 | Tem | I don't really plan on releasing this unless it comes out /really/ nice |
| 18:21.27 | Lunessa | Hal's UI pack is on Curse and I think WoWI. |
| 18:21.46 | Cralor` | I thought i saw d3 animated orbs at wowi :D |
| 18:21.51 | Lunessa | basically he did a bunch of nice textures for bars, etc. |
| 18:21.55 | Stanzilla | Roth UI |
| 18:21.56 | Stanzilla | has them |
| 18:21.58 | Cralor` | yea :D |
| 18:22.05 | Stanzilla | Tem: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9175-RothUI.html |
| 18:22.18 | Tem | Stanzilla, the animation there looks really weak |
| 18:22.35 | Tem | so I'm trying to do it myself |
| 18:22.39 | Stanzilla | ah ok |
| 18:22.48 | Stanzilla | you can use his textures tho :P |
| 18:22.53 | Tem | I am =P |
| 18:23.22 | Kirov | Any kind of animation isn't going to be too great... it's wow |
| 18:23.51 | Kirov | Actually, you could probably use some of WoW's textures come to think of it. |
| 18:24.11 | Kirov | They have tons of repeating, animated fluid textures |
| 18:24.35 | Kirov | dump them out to a bunch of .png files, give them a circle alpha, done! |
| 18:24.38 | Cide | the question is |
| 18:24.50 | Cide | why not try to rip them from the d3 gameplay movie? |
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| 18:26.50 | Tem | You don't want them in multiple files |
| 18:27.08 | Tem | animation is cheaper if you're just using SetTexCoord |
| 18:27.12 | Tem | also, wow doesn't support png |
| 18:27.41 | foxlit | for all intents and purposes, tga is equivalent to png :) |
| 18:27.43 | Cide | use tga and tga2blp :P |
| 18:27.55 | Cide | or just tga |
| 18:27.56 | Kirov | Or convert them back to pngs |
| 18:28.00 | Kirov | erm blp |
| 18:28.23 | Kirov | Tem - Also, any animation done with a single file is going to be crap |
| 18:28.39 | Kirov | Two major problems with wow UI. |
| 18:29.09 | Tem | Kirov, why is that? |
| 18:29.17 | Kirov | There's no way to do masks that have seperate coords from the main texture, and (not really a wow issue) a max res of 2048 |
| 18:29.34 | Kirov | If you wanted to do nicely animating boxes, we can do that |
| 18:29.44 | Kirov | Spheres, you're shit out of luck. |
| 18:29.55 | Cide | hm? |
| 18:30.07 | foxlit | Of course, the real solution would be to .m2 it |
| 18:30.20 | Cide | does it not use a subset of the alpha layer with SetTexCoord? |
| 18:30.55 | Cide | and is the alpha layer not resized to match the size of the image? |
| 18:30.58 | Kirov | D3's spheres are 3 layers of textures, deformed using a pixel shader to appear "sphere like" and panned across the surface. |
| 18:31.17 | Cide | I'm talking wow |
| 18:31.39 | Kirov | Cide - it uses the alpha layer from the same tex coords as the rgb info |
| 18:31.50 | Kirov | Which, for this case for "smoothly animated balls" you don't want. |
| 18:31.58 | Cide | so you could just have as many alpha spheres as you have rgb spheres, no? |
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| 18:32.29 | Kirov | Cide - right, which comes down to how many frames of animation are you going to have, and how big of a texture does it need to be to hold them all. |
| 18:32.42 | Kirov | And you're still dealing with frame by frame animation vs. interpolated animation |
| 18:32.44 | Cide | that's not really a limitation then |
| 18:32.53 | Cide | yep, but that's a separate issue |
| 18:33.04 | Cide | a model would be a better choice like foxlit said |
| 18:33.57 | Kirov | Models have their own set of limitations. |
| 18:34.42 | Cide | I'm sure |
| 18:34.44 | Kirov | like, how do you cut off the top of the sphere. |
| 18:35.04 | Kirov | You can resize the frame, but that also moves the stuff in the frame to "fit" |
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| 18:35.31 | Kirov | so you'd have to reverse move the sphere in the window to match, but you'll start getting perspective issues. |
| 18:36.02 | Dashkal | Are there yet any tutorials for getting new models into the UI? |
| 18:36.12 | Lunessa | Is it just me, or does the phrase, "smoothly animated balls" cause the mind to wander down the wrong path? |
| 18:36.29 | Kirov | Lunessa - My fiancee likes my smoothly animated balls just fine. |
| 18:36.30 | Cide | only if your name is Lunessa or peppy |
| 18:37.13 | Lunessa | Cide: Hah! You have defeated me this time Captain Cide, but I shall have my revenge! *twirls mustachio* |
| 18:37.31 | Cide | sure you will. |
| 18:38.00 | TecnoBrat | psst, don't forget is Sys Admin Day! |
| 18:38.16 | Cide | 'sif I cared |
| 18:39.25 | Thunder_Child | TecnoBrat, and here i thought it was Beat a Sys Admin Day |
| 18:39.36 | TecnoBrat | Could be that too ... |
| 18:39.42 | TecnoBrat | most of the time that doesn't help |
| 18:39.52 | Cide | I do that every day |
| 18:39.53 | TecnoBrat | you just end up internetless and can't login |
| 18:40.11 | Dashkal | depends how good the sysadmin really is ;) |
| 18:40.17 | Thunder_Child | it's a short term gain for sure |
| 18:40.22 | Lunessa | Cide - Self-flagellation doesn't count. |
| 18:40.53 | Tem | Kirov, you sound like you want to make my orbs for me |
| 18:41.28 | Dashkal | Is there a blue tracker for the beta forums yet? |
| 18:41.47 | Cide | no. |
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| 18:45.54 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/92447 |
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| 18:59.31 | Tem | Kirov, pwease? |
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| 19:12.08 | p3lim | name a good buff addon that supports ButtonFacade |
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| 19:14.38 | Atriace | ~tickle channel |
| 19:14.38 | purl | ACTION jumps on channel, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
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| 19:14.56 | kd3 | o_O; fark: [Amusing] "I got p---ed because my lawn mower wouldn't start, so I got my shotgun and shot it. I can do that, it's my lawn mower and my yard, so I can shoot it if I want." |
| 19:15.24 | ckknight | lol |
| 19:17.12 | Lunessa | p3lim: Satrina Buff Frames |
| 19:17.26 | p3lim | Lunessa: 1 or 2? |
| 19:17.36 | Dashkal | ahh, sawwed-off, that would explain it |
| 19:17.42 | Lunessa | The most recent, so 2 for sure. |
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| 19:22.16 | p3lim | Lunessa: is the Satrina Buff Frames on the svn version 2? |
| 19:22.49 | Lunessa | p3lim: I don't know. I assume what's on SVN is Satrina's most recent work. |
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| 20:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, raid fail |
| 20:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Our MT took 10 consecutive ticks of Archimonde's curse last night |
| 20:35.21 | wereHamster | whose fault is that? |
| 20:36.05 | durcyn | yeah, where was the spell reflection |
| 20:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | All of the collective mages and druids, who should have been decursing him |
| 20:36.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ spell reflection |
| 20:39.13 | foxlit | meh |
| 20:39.16 | foxlit | HEAL THE DAMN TANK :) |
| 20:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Truth |
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| 20:45.33 | Cralor` | i need an OnUpdate function for checkboxes, right? |
| 20:46.29 | ckknight | Cralor`: um, are you doing something that requires it to change every frame? |
| 20:46.45 | Cralor` | one makes the minimap become square |
| 20:46.54 | ckknight | every frame? |
| 20:47.03 | Cralor` | what do you mean? =/ |
| 20:47.10 | ckknight | OnUpdate is called every frame |
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| 20:47.58 | Beladona | isn't there an OnCheck handler for Checkboxes? |
| 20:48.05 | ckknight | OnClick |
| 20:48.50 | Cralor` | so maybe i should do OnClick then? |
| 20:49.00 | cogwheel | not maybe |
| 20:49.06 | cogwheel | OnUpdate is wholly inappropriate :P |
| 20:49.16 | Cralor` | yea |
| 20:49.36 | Cralor` | ok thanks |
| 20:50.54 | Beladona | bookmark this Cralor`: http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_Handlers |
| 20:51.14 | Lunessa | OnUpdate is like the little kid in the back of the car going, "Are we there yet?" every screen refresh; OnClick is like the Security Guard at Dennys at midnight who only does something when you yell. |
| 20:51.18 | Cralor` | awesome. i will. thanks |
| 20:54.26 | Kaso | onupdate :GetChecked() is like something out of my nightmares |
| 20:54.40 | cogwheel | or this imo http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 20:54.46 | cogwheel | click a widget, get a list of methods |
| 20:54.51 | cogwheel | and handlers |
| 20:55.35 | Beladona | sputnik ran but failed due to an unexpected error |
| 20:55.36 | Beladona | ow |
| 20:55.44 | krka | onupdate is ftw, all my addons used it a lot |
| 20:56.25 | ckknight | krka: don't give the nubs bad ideas |
| 20:56.37 | Dashkal | how about OnUpdate and an if block for doing startup stuff? |
| 20:56.48 | cogwheel | Beladona: ? |
| 20:56.53 | cogwheel | working fine for me |
| 20:57.01 | krka | listen for ADDON_LOADED is probably better for startup |
| 20:57.19 | Thunder_Child | Beladona, i think Shirik got that a few times as well |
| 20:57.32 | Beladona | it worked the second time |
| 20:57.38 | Beladona | its probably random |
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| 20:58.19 | Beladona | why would you run startup stuff OnUpdate? |
| 20:58.39 | Dashkal | Beladona: bad joke. |
| 20:58.57 | Beladona | thank gawd, I was gonna send this guy I know named tiny to your house |
| 20:59.02 | Dashkal | lol |
| 20:59.16 | Dashkal | 'sides, I'd need to do startup stuff properly to get my onupdate to fire in the first place :p |
| 20:59.53 | Beladona | home! |
| 21:00.00 | Beladona | bbl |
| 21:00.53 | Dashkal | Bah, four hours to go yet for that |
| 21:01.09 | Dashkal | want beta key! Why yes, yes I am impatient :p |
| 21:01.27 | Thunder_Child | wtb more wotlk ready mods |
| 21:01.51 | ckknight | I, too, would like a beta key. |
| 21:02.40 | Dashkal | I'm looking forward to getting my hands on the proposed secure API, thugh I have some concerns with it I'mm bring up next time I see one or the other of them |
| 21:03.15 | TecnoBrat | no beta keys for you! |
| 21:03.33 | Dashkal | But but but.... |
| 21:04.01 | ckknight | Dashkal: I already found a bug in their API, lulz |
| 21:04.02 | ckknight | :-P |
| 21:04.54 | Dashkal | heh |
| 21:05.12 | Dashkal | I'm worried about Lua injection style vulnerabilities. Code generation to get data into secure space sounds ugly |
| 21:05.45 | Dashkal | Not so much as an attack vector (why would you ever execute code that came over the network) but as a easy bug pitfall |
| 21:06.42 | cogwheel | Dashkal: i thought we cleared that up last time alestane was around... |
| 21:07.10 | cogwheel | header:SetAttribute("_execute", "someVar = blah") |
| 21:07.21 | Dashkal | cogwheel: tables |
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| 21:07.40 | Dashkal | String with ' or " in them |
| 21:07.45 | Dashkal | or [[ ]] for that matter |
| 21:07.49 | Dashkal | Escaping nightmare, basically |
| 21:08.32 | cogwheel | I have a feeling Iriel and alestane are smarter than that :P |
| 21:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 21:08.51 | Dashkal | I have no doubt, but I want to ask them about it :p |
| 21:08.57 | ScytheBlade1 | They're human, and they aren't perfect, but seriously. |
| 21:08.58 | cogwheel | or you could look at the code ... |
| 21:09.02 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 21:09.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ again |
| 21:09.11 | ScytheBlade1 | wowcompares.com |
| 21:09.12 | Dashkal | I saw notihng regarding escaping when I read over it. Did I miss something? |
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| 21:12.40 | cogwheel | Maybe, maybe not... |
| 21:13.42 | Dashkal | heh, well, I'm saving the line-by-line read until I get my beta key and actually start coding to the thing. I read over the API in the four files linked to me but didn't see anything to address the pitfall I'm mentioning. |
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| 21:15.37 | Thunder_Child | speaking of issues, if my res is set to 1680x1050 and i set wow to the same, shouldnt wow fill up the space to the sides of it? |
| 21:16.10 | Thunder_Child | err..wow, that made no sense |
| 21:16.54 | Thunder_Child | same idea though, wow should fill up the avaliable space, no? |
| 21:17.01 | ckknight | Dashkal: how is escaping an issue? |
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| 21:17.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: yes, WoW supports non-4:3 resolutions |
| 21:17.26 | ckknight | frame:SetAttribute("_execute", [=====[ zomg = "teh pwnage" ]=====]) |
| 21:17.55 | malreth | Thunder_Child: i run wow at the same resolution. it fills my monitor exactly |
| 21:18.16 | Thunder_Child | well wow normal works but for the beta it doesnt go to the edges of my screen |
| 21:18.40 | malreth | that is because widescreen beta is reserved for special people who are not you |
| 21:19.06 | Thunder_Child | mind you i dont do maximized on either |
| 21:19.13 | Thunder_Child | ~lart malreth |
| 21:19.13 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, malreth!" and lops off malreth's head |
| 21:22.21 | Dashkal | ckknight: Oh do I feel stupid... danke |
| 21:22.21 | malreth | Lunessa: VISTA alert!!! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8429963067&sid=1 |
| 21:22.31 | ckknight | Dashkal: it's quite alright |
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| 21:26.12 | Dashkal | no wait, my point stands |
| 21:26.34 | Dashkal | What If I want to get a string called [[Dashkal said "Hello"]] into secure space? |
| 21:27.16 | Dashkal | yes I know I could always use the [===[ ]===] bit in the code I generate, but I'm looking for something that cannot conflict with the string |
| 21:27.22 | wereHamster | "Dashkal said \"Hello\"" |
| 21:27.46 | ckknight | [=[ x = 'Dashkal said "Hello"' ]=] |
| 21:27.54 | Dashkal | wereHamster: danke |
| 21:28.06 | Dashkal | that's what I was forgetting, backslash escaping is still available |
| 21:28.08 | ckknight | [=[ x = [==[Dashkal said "Hello"]==] ]=] |
| 21:28.16 | Kaso | RE:Vista, Why doesnt wow use %APPDATA% yet |
| 21:28.28 | ckknight | ([=[ x = %q ]=]):format('Dashkal said "Hello"') |
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| 21:28.36 | Dashkal | ckknight: "but I'm looking for something that cannot conflict with the string" |
| 21:28.43 | ckknight | Dashkal: use the %q hack |
| 21:28.56 | Dashkal | now that's a construct I haven't seen before |
| 21:29.02 | ckknight | if you're doing it programmatically, you'll probably do that anyway |
| 21:29.20 | malreth | sometimes, i wish that the alliance truly would use blitzkrieg methods on the horde to take out their healers and casters... sometimes... |
| 21:29.21 | ckknight | lua> return ("%q"):format('Hello, there "Dashkal"') |
| 21:29.22 | lua_bot | ckknight: "Hello, there \"Dashkal\"" |
| 21:29.40 | wereHamster | >>> return ([=[ x = %q ]=]):format('Dashkal said "Hello"') |
| 21:29.41 | Cide | wereHamster: " x = \"Dashkal said \\\"Hello\\\"\" " |
| 21:29.43 | ckknight | Dashkal: wraps in quotes, escapes any quotes inside. |
| 21:30.01 | Dashkal | Cause yes, it's programatically I'm looking for. If it's my own code I'm just going to wrap the whole damn block in [====[ ]====] |
| 21:30.12 | TecnoBrat | wow beta installed to c:\users\public\games for me |
| 21:30.19 | Dashkal | How well does it deal with backslashes? |
| 21:30.51 | wereHamster | >>> return ("%q"):format("\\") |
| 21:30.51 | Cide | wereHamster: "\"\\\\\"" |
| 21:31.15 | Dashkal | sweet, it gets it too |
| 21:31.16 | Cairenn|afk | Lunessa: rofl |
| 21:31.18 | ckknight | lua> return ("%q"):format([=[ zomg, \ teh " pwnage ' ]=]) |
| 21:31.18 | lua_bot | ckknight: " zomg, \\ teh \" pwnage ' " |
| 21:31.19 | Dashkal | ok, concern withdrawn |
| 21:31.29 | malreth | Dashkal: it should deal with backwacks... otherwise it's not a very good implementation |
| 21:33.12 | wereHamster | lua> return ("%q"):format("\\") |
| 21:33.13 | lua_bot | wereHamster: "\\" |
| 21:33.22 | Dashkal | ahh, there's the docs for %q. That's _exactly_ what I was searching for |
| 21:33.58 | wereHamster | Interesting. Cide's bot escapes the strings before printing those, lua_bot doesn't |
| 21:37.57 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, unless you have a boomkin in your raid, druids should not be decursing |
| 21:39.36 | TecnoBrat | everyone should fend for themselves |
| 21:40.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: oh I agree (and I'm a mage) but they are anyways while we "learn" |
| 21:41.16 | Tem | cool :) |
| 21:41.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I'm one of those mages who actually used my "Remove Lesser Curse" button ever since Boss #1 in MC, up through BWL/AQ40, and still use it to this day (without being asked to!) |
| 21:44.01 | nevcairiel | there are some fights, where that is not possible |
| 21:44.09 | nevcairiel | kalecgos for example, that many curses .. o.O |
| 21:44.16 | nevcairiel | unless you run with 5 mages :D |
| 21:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually last night, we had four (five?) |
| 21:44.51 | nevcairiel | we just let druids decurse in that fight, its not too bad really |
| 21:44.54 | nevcairiel | (resto druid myself) |
| 21:45.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't if people have their heads screwed on correctly |
| 21:45.37 | malreth | i decurse pets in kara |
| 21:46.36 | ckknight | question: for the interface options system that Blizz has, know how you can have subcategories for addons? can you have subcategories of said subcategories? |
| 21:49.11 | Tem | only one level deep |
| 21:49.29 | Tem | as for how, read their docs |
| 21:49.37 | Tem | (I don't know off-hand) |
| 21:49.45 | Tem | (but it's basically just registering a category and a frame) |
| 21:49.50 | ckknight | right |
| 21:49.53 | ckknight | hrm, okay then |
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| 21:56.06 | malreth | :p http://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzboy/2702462772/ |
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| 21:58.43 | Lunessa | malreth: Congratulations. |
| 21:59.18 | malreth | thank you |
| 22:00.10 | Lunessa | I wish you both great happiness. Now log off and go honeymoon. |
| 22:00.30 | kamdis | srsly |
| 22:00.38 | Dashkal | Congrats! wtf are you doing on IRC? |
| 22:00.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 22:00.44 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Beta opt-in: https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/beta-opt-in.html || Author Key Give-Away! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17207 | Dragon Kites for authors: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17261 | Congrats Malreth on you |
| 22:00.50 | Cairenn|afk | hrm |
| 22:00.53 | malreth | not yet... we only just got the license today |
| 22:00.59 | malreth | there's a 72 hour cooldown |
| 22:01.03 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Beta opt-in: https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/beta-opt-in.html || Author Key Give-Away! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17207 | Dragon Kites for authors: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17261 |
| 22:01.06 | malreth | then you can actually execute it |
| 22:01.08 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe, okay |
| 22:01.17 | Cairenn|afk | well, congrats early then :) |
| 22:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ 72h "cooldown" |
| 22:01.46 | malreth | serious |
| 22:02.03 | malreth | the wedding date is set for the 8th of August |
| 22:02.32 | malreth | the item also has a 30 day duration before it poofs |
| 22:02.39 | Lunessa | malreth: So... you're hinting for crashers? |
| 22:02.53 | Lunessa | I mean, it's only a 3.5 hour drive... |
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| 22:03.24 | malreth | sure... we're getting married in Austin... just ask around and someone will eventually tell you where we're at |
| 22:03.30 | Lunessa | Hahaha |
| 22:03.47 | Lunessa | That's not as bad as you think. I know where you work. |
| 22:03.52 | malreth | you can crash the rehearsal dinner on the 7th |
| 22:04.04 | malreth | we'll be at The Oasis from 6pm to 10pm |
| 22:04.18 | malreth | in the Yacht Club room |
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| 22:04.54 | malreth | but you have to buy your own drinks |
| 22:04.55 | Lunessa | I'll see if I can swing by to wish the happy couple happiness. I'll even shave. |
| 22:04.58 | p3lim | anyone know how I could access and modify TimeManagerClockButton's texture? |
| 22:05.15 | p3lim | It doesnt have a object name to access it with |
| 22:05.33 | malreth | iterate over it's child regions? |
| 22:05.38 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm done here for the day, so I'm out. See you all Monday or in-game. |
| 22:05.47 | malreth | uh... that sounded dirtier than i meant it to |
| 22:06.01 | Ackis | was http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Button_SetTextColor changed in wrath? |
| 22:06.31 | malreth | i'm not a pederast! |
| 22:06.50 | Dashkal | malreth: ... *flees* |
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| 22:07.35 | p3lim | malreth: when i try check for the frame's regions it returns in chat like this: "table: 0E2B8320" |
| 22:07.59 | Cralor` | Ackis: is this related? * Button objects appear to no longer have their own internal Font objects, and have replaced the various methods to alter them with methods to reference existing Font objects to use for each state (SImple color changes can still be done without creating your own Font objects by using the |c color escape) |
| 22:09.05 | Ackis | Cralor` might be =/ le sigh |
| 22:09.27 | malreth | p3lim: use the frame:GetRegions() method |
| 22:09.36 | p3lim | yeah I am |
| 22:09.49 | p3lim | i got it working, but the print showed something diffrent |
| 22:09.56 | p3lim | texture is 1st region, text is 2nd |
| 22:11.52 | malreth | p3lim: that pastey from yesterday make sense? the one i wrote? |
| 22:12.05 | p3lim | yeah :) thanks |
| 22:12.18 | p3lim | pMinimap already got the function released on wowi |
| 22:12.30 | p3lim | (but i was using the wrong event, sigh) |
| 22:12.33 | Kirov | Tem - ping |
| 22:12.40 | Tem | pong |
| 22:12.41 | malreth | awesome. next time you pop your girl, have her call you malreth just once. |
| 22:13.27 | p3lim | lol :p |
| 22:14.26 | malreth | oh crap... one of my shields just fell... |
| 22:14.36 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 @ Microsoft giving Apache $100k/yearly and tossing some code out as LGPL |
| 22:14.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/25/microsoft_gpl/ |
| 22:14.58 | Dashkal | My jaw hit my desk when I saw that go by on the ol feed |
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| 22:16.03 | mal|washingdog | woof |
| 22:16.54 | Tem | Kirov, pong? |
| 22:22.12 | Cralor` | would anyone be kind enough to tell me what is wrong here? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92457 (my first attempt at making a config) |
| 22:22.57 | Amarande | wisdom from trade chat: learning that Barrens chat teaches you a very important lesson for real life |
| 22:23.05 | Amarande | this being: 99% of the things people talk about are entirely irrelevant :) |
| 22:23.16 | amro | Cralor`: you seem to have 2 OnLods |
| 22:23.19 | cogwheel | ~seen atriace |
| 22:23.21 | purl | atriace <n=omnizeta@188.118.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 3h 8m 43s ago, saying: '~tickle channel'. |
| 22:23.24 | amro | s/Lod/Load/ |
| 22:23.32 | Cralor` | amro: i can't have more than one :p |
| 22:23.35 | Cralor` | ? |
| 22:24.04 | amro | one will overwrite the other |
| 22:24.19 | amro | actually you have a whole lot of functions with the same name |
| 22:24.32 | Cralor` | lol |
| 22:24.50 | amro | there's no way to differentiate between them :P |
| 22:24.52 | amro | gota http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92457 |
| 22:24.57 | amro | ignore that |
| 22:24.58 | Cralor` | oh wait i know |
| 22:25.01 | amro | keyboard went crazy |
| 22:25.22 | Cralor` | i'll just make more if statements in one function ... doh |
| 22:25.24 | mal|washingdog | holy function overloading, batman! |
| 22:25.30 | Cralor` | lol |
| 22:25.48 | mal|washingdog | except... you're not overloading |
| 22:25.58 | amro | overwriting |
| 22:26.42 | mal|washingdog | oh snap... i should be washing the dog |
| 22:27.05 | amro | anyone good with patterns? I need to match something like "You receive loot: |cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|rx2.", and capture "Broken Fang", 2 |
| 22:27.35 | mal|reallywashin | string.match(input, |
| 22:27.43 | mal|reallywashin | string.match(input, "Broken Frame") |
| 22:27.53 | mal|reallywashin | wolw |
| 22:27.58 | mal|reallywashin | i stop now |
| 22:28.01 | MentalPower | ~lart mal|reallywashin |
| 22:28.01 | purl | raises middle finger to mal|reallywashin |
| 22:28.01 | amro | good |
| 22:28.33 | MentalPower | I should've guessed |
| 22:28.41 | Malgayne | Thank goodness, "mal" is one of my alert words |
| 22:29.30 | MentalPower | amro: \124%x+\124Hitem:[%d%:]+\124h%[(.-)%]\124h.* |
| 22:29.38 | MentalPower | untested, drycoded, etc etc |
| 22:30.37 | Kirov | Tem - Sorry, got pulled away from my desk right after I pinged you http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/DiabloBall.zip |
| 22:30.47 | amro | lua> ("You receive loot: |cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|rx2."):match("\124%x+\124Hitem:[%d%:]+\124h%[(.-)%]\124h.*") |
| 22:30.47 | lua_bot | amro: Broken Fang |
| 22:30.54 | Tem | oh shit |
| 22:31.02 | Tem | Kirov, me love you long time |
| 22:31.04 | Kirov | Tem - I'm going to write a simple animation script for it too |
| 22:31.20 | Kirov | Should be able to get fairly smooth animation out of it. |
| 22:32.29 | amro | lua> ("You receive loot: |cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|rx2."):match("\124%x+\124Hitem:[%d%:]+\124h%[(.-)%]\124h\124rx(%d*).") |
| 22:32.29 | lua_bot | amro: Broken Fang, 2 |
| 22:32.33 | amro | win |
| 22:32.36 | amro | thanks MentalPower |
| 22:33.08 | MentalPower | np |
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| 22:34.00 | p3lim | whats the CVar name for the new clock? |
| 22:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a CVar for it? |
| 22:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, the enable/disable |
| 22:34.20 | p3lim | yeah |
| 22:34.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Dunno if they made that a CVar |
| 22:34.40 | p3lim | well its something, and id like to know what |
| 22:34.47 | Tem | Kirov, grrrr it's blp |
| 22:34.54 | Kirov | yes? |
| 22:35.27 | ScytheBlade1 | this.cvar = "showClock"; |
| 22:35.31 | ScytheBlade1 | From the source |
| 22:35.34 | Kirov | it doesn't look like much, but it's a 1024x1024 image with a 60 frame animation and 2 cells of flair art |
| 22:35.41 | Kirov | I can reupload as the tga |
| 22:35.50 | ScytheBlade1 | * may or may not be accurate |
| 22:36.15 | p3lim | hm but the showClock cvar doesnt change :/ |
| 22:36.20 | Kirov | Tem - get it again |
| 22:36.22 | p3lim | as I toggle it |
| 22:36.29 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to click "Okay" |
| 22:36.42 | Tem | Kirov, <3 |
| 22:36.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It toggles for me |
| 22:37.11 | p3lim | how do you check? |
| 22:37.20 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:38.14 | ScytheBlade1 | If /dump doesn't work for you |
| 22:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ~devtools |
| 22:38.17 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 22:39.18 | p3lim | yeah ive got devtools |
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| 22:47.56 | malreth | Malgayne: yes... i you and malikeye as shields for ~larts and other assorted ~violence |
| 22:48.17 | malreth | your sacrifices in my name will be greatly rewarded when the revolution is televised |
| 22:48.34 | NightHawkAtWork | hm |
| 22:48.36 | NightHawkAtWork | ~violence |
| 22:48.36 | purl | hmm... violence is not the answer... |
| 22:48.41 | NightHawkAtWork | .. i disagree, purl. |
| 22:48.50 | malreth | purl, i agree |
| 22:48.50 | purl | You agree? |
| 22:48.55 | malreth | purl, yes |
| 22:48.56 | purl | You don't say! |
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| 22:52.20 | p3lim | why aint this working then? http://p3lim.pastey.net/92460 |
| 22:53.09 | p3lim | or am I messing up the args on that event? |
| 22:54.23 | Nargiddley | you're never going to get value from that, change (...) to ... for a start |
| 22:54.27 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 22:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | (self, event, ...) |
| 22:54.42 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.55 | ScytheBlade1 | "name" in that context would be "PLAYER_LOGIN" |
| 22:55.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 22:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I should read all of your code |
| 22:55.09 | wereHamster | (...) only gets the first element from the list, right? |
| 22:55.12 | Nargiddley | (...) will only return the first value in ... |
| 22:55.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 22:57.02 | p3lim | http://p3lim.pastey.net/92461 |
| 22:57.05 | p3lim | theres the whole code |
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| 23:00.09 | wereHamster | p3lim: does that code work? |
| 23:00.19 | p3lim | not the moving part |
| 23:00.40 | wereHamster | you sure GetCVar returns an integer and not a string? |
| 23:00.53 | ScytheBlade1 | line 31, you're using arg1 |
| 23:00.54 | wereHamster | try if value == "1" in move() |
| 23:00.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And yes, GetCVar returns a /string/ |
| 23:01.18 | wereHamster | http://p3lim.pastey.net/92463 |
| 23:01.45 | malreth | lua> print(1 == "1" |
| 23:01.45 | lua_bot | malreth: luabot:1: ')' expected near '<eof>' |
| 23:01.48 | malreth | lua> print(1 == "1"( |
| 23:01.49 | lua_bot | malreth: luabot:1: ')' expected near '(' |
| 23:01.51 | malreth | lua> print(1 == "1") |
| 23:01.52 | lua_bot | malreth: false |
| 23:01.59 | wereHamster | also, as mentioned before, CVAR_UPDATED will never be called, because you didn't register that event |
| 23:02.52 | wereHamster | (oh, my bad, you do) |
| 23:02.59 | Kirkburn | People in the beta, I've got a wiki page set up so you can find people - http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:WotLK_beta_contacts |
| 23:03.37 | p3lim | a its a string.. ok |
| 23:03.42 | p3lim | makes sense |
| 23:03.48 | hipjipp | malreth, pelim: its false due to that 1 is not a string |
| 23:03.52 | p3lim | but I still need a proper way to get the args |
| 23:04.10 | wereHamster | p3lim: which args? |
| 23:04.17 | p3lim | but GetCVar("showClock") returns a string, i didnt know :p |
| 23:04.24 | p3lim | the ones for CVAR_UPDATE |
| 23:04.38 | wereHamster | local arg1 = ... |
| 23:05.25 | p3lim | aint working |
| 23:05.40 | p3lim | CVAR_UPDATE has two args, name and value |
| 23:05.52 | wereHamster | arg1 ~= "showClock" ? |
| 23:06.49 | wereHamster | did you read http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetCVar ? |
| 23:07.05 | p3lim | no :p |
| 23:07.08 | malreth | p3lim: http://p3lim.pastey.net/92465 |
| 23:07.13 | p3lim | yeah got it working now |
| 23:08.06 | malreth | because you pass ... in your SetScript handler, you can name the actual arguments in your CVAR_UPDATE handler |
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| 23:08.16 | p3lim | aha |
| 23:09.24 | p3lim | thanks all |
| 23:09.45 | malreth | hmm... |
| 23:09.49 | malreth | one more thing, i think |
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| 23:10.24 | malreth | http://p3lim.pastey.net/92466 |
| 23:10.53 | p3lim | why? |
| 23:10.58 | malreth | oh... nvm |
| 23:11.03 | malreth | addon is your frame |
| 23:11.41 | malreth | modified |
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| 23:12.38 | malreth | i c wut u did |
| 23:14.11 | Cralor` | how can i make this work? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92467 |
| 23:15.09 | malreth | Cralor`: explain to me what line 4 does |
| 23:15.38 | amro | Cralor`: you're exiting the function at line 4 |
| 23:15.53 | malreth | amro: let Cralor` answer. :) |
| 23:16.09 | Cralor` | like 4 makes the minimap square ;D |
| 23:16.15 | Cralor` | line* |
| 23:16.46 | malreth | well, amro gave the correct answer |
| 23:17.21 | malreth | your function ends right there and returns "SQUARE" to the calling function |
| 23:17.23 | Nargiddley | that won't even compile, return without an end after it is a syntax error |
| 23:17.26 | Cralor` | well i already knew that part was the "wrong" part |
| 23:17.42 | Cralor` | i'm wondering how i can make it work correctly |
| 23:18.16 | Nargiddley | you want to define GetMinimapShape() to return "SQUARE" ? |
| 23:18.31 | Cralor` | yes. that way the minimap buttons follow in a Square shape |
| 23:19.09 | p3lim | function GetMinimapShape() return "SQUARE" end |
| 23:19.19 | p3lim | as an own function |
| 23:19.20 | malreth | you need to review the lua 5.1 manual |
| 23:19.36 | Cralor` | p3lim: i originally had that, but i need it inside an OnLoad function |
| 23:19.45 | p3lim | why? |
| 23:19.54 | Cralor` | option to have the minimap square or round |
| 23:20.17 | Cralor` | so if the user as square enabled, it should load that way on start |
| 23:20.17 | p3lim | yeah still |
| 23:20.52 | Nargiddley | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92468 |
| 23:20.54 | p3lim | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92469 |
| 23:21.12 | malreth | there's better ways to do that. it is poor practice to just overwrite functions like that to change what they return |
| 23:21.21 | p3lim | you cant make functions inside a function? |
| 23:21.38 | malreth | you can, p3lim |
| 23:21.51 | Nargiddley | you can, it creates unnecessary garbage when you overwrite them tho |
| 23:21.58 | malreth | but in this case, it's less correct than Nargiddley's code |
| 23:22.32 | Cralor` | ok thank you. that was my question |
| 23:22.54 | malreth | now don't get me wrong... the ability to have functions as first-class objects in lua makes it a very powerful language in some respects |
| 23:23.17 | malreth | but you don't go doing that unless you know what you're doing and why |
| 23:23.36 | Arrowmaster | GetMinimapShape() may be called a lot so if you rarely ever overwrite it then just overwriting it with a different one may be better |
| 23:24.21 | p3lim | I dont have that issue in my minimap addon, mostly cause ive never had any other shapes |
| 23:24.26 | Arrowmaster | although creating 2 functions and saving them locally and overwriting it with the correct one instead of creating a new one each time would be better |
| 23:24.41 | p3lim | btw, did you know that you could use random blizzard textures as masks instead of bringing your own? |
| 23:24.42 | malreth | but readability and maintainability are also important aspects to consider |
| 23:25.07 | p3lim | using Interface\\ChatFrame\\ChatFrameBackground for my minimap's mask |
| 23:25.21 | Cralor` | p3lim: neat. thanks |
| 23:28.47 | malreth | another thing to consider, although it is probably less of an issue with that particular function, is redefining a function breaks any hooks that it may have |
| 23:30.11 | wereHamster | if cond then stmt; return foo; stmt; end won't even load, return must be at the end of the block |
| 23:31.04 | p3lim | how can i make a piece of font flash in two colors, like UIFrameFlash() does for frames etc |
| 23:31.10 | wereHamster | lua> function f() return; print("phantomas was here") end f() |
| 23:31.11 | lua_bot | wereHamster: luabot:1: 'end' expected near 'print' |
| 23:31.13 | p3lim | piece of text* |
| 23:31.44 | wereHamster | p3lim: you must set up a timer that changes the color and flashes the text |
| 23:31.56 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92470/1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8:9:37:38 |
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| 23:32.19 | Cralor` | now what's wrong with it =( |
| 23:32.36 | malreth | Cralor`: what error did you get? |
| 23:32.37 | p3lim | line 11 |
| 23:32.49 | p3lim | elseif(not cLayout.Square) then |
| 23:32.49 | Cralor` | malreth: nothing |
| 23:33.03 | Cralor` | ah okay. i didn't know how to word it |
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| 23:33.35 | Cralor` | <-- first timer with saved variables and config |
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| 23:33.48 | p3lim | new into lua too? |
| 23:34.01 | malreth | new to programming? |
| 23:34.10 | Cralor` | couple weeks, yes |
| 23:34.20 | Cralor` | lol |
| 23:34.22 | p3lim | if so, what are you basing that addon on? |
| 23:34.31 | Cralor` | 'basing'? |
| 23:35.19 | malreth | did you write all of this from scratch, starting with just a blank text edit window and no examples to follow? |
| 23:35.34 | Cralor` | ofcourse not |
| 23:35.50 | malreth | ok... so let's talk about your if-statement |
| 23:36.10 | malreth | in line 2, you test the truthfulness of cLayout.Square |
| 23:36.24 | malreth | if it's true, you do some stuff |
| 23:36.44 | malreth | if it's something other than true, it skips down to the elseif line... line 11 |
| 23:37.00 | Cralor` | yes i know |
| 23:37.10 | malreth | question: will cLayout.Square ever be anything else other than true or false? |
| 23:37.23 | Cralor` | my guess, no |
| 23:38.21 | malreth | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92471 |
| 23:38.22 | wereHamster | do you guess or know? |
| 23:39.09 | Cralor` | well i'm no Lua expert. so i can't be 100% positive |
| 23:39.26 | amro | you're the one setting the value though |
| 23:39.47 | malreth | you are a 100% expert with cLayout.Square since you made it |
| 23:39.55 | malreth | :) |
| 23:40.00 | Cralor` | lol i guess so |
| 23:40.05 | malreth | good |
| 23:40.19 | Cralor` | you asked if it would be anything other than true or false |
| 23:40.25 | wereHamster | guess again? You don't even know you wrote the code? |
| 23:40.30 | malreth | second: if cLayout.Square is false, will GetMinimapShape() ever exist? |
| 23:40.47 | Cralor` | i'm guessing at his statement. please stop making useless judgements |
| 23:40.51 | wereHamster | ~api GetMinimapShape |
| 23:40.51 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetMinimapShape |
| 23:41.02 | Cralor` | malreth: no |
| 23:41.40 | Cralor` | i only need it when using the square minimap. when i'm not, i configure the default |
| 23:42.04 | foxlit | Meh |
| 23:42.08 | Cralor` | wereHamster: no such page |
| 23:42.11 | foxlit | Custom minimaps shouldn't be telling you what shape they are |
| 23:42.19 | foxlit | They should be positioning your buttons for you isntead |
| 23:42.30 | Cralor` | how can i do that? |
| 23:42.36 | Kirov | ok, damn it... I cannot get this texture to show up in-game |
| 23:42.57 | foxlit | You don't. You hit whoever wrote your minimap addon of choice of the head and tell them to think :) |
| 23:43.07 | Kirov | when doing SetTexture, do I need to define the extension? |
| 23:43.16 | wereHamster | Kirov: no |
| 23:43.22 | wereHamster | IIRC |
| 23:43.49 | Cralor` | i wouldn't hit such a person :D |
| 23:43.52 | malreth | Cralor`: is the GetMinimapShape() function being made available for other addons to use? |
| 23:43.58 | wereHamster | Kirov: is the texture power-of-two? The correct format, alpha channel properly set up? |
| 23:44.17 | Cralor` | malreth: are you asking if i am wanting it to? |
| 23:44.30 | Cralor` | or just by seeing the code? |
| 23:44.53 | malreth | well, you're explicitly defining a global function... i'm assuming it's for some particular reason |
| 23:45.07 | malreth | i don't mess with minimap button addons or stuffs like that |
| 23:45.20 | malreth | i don't know if it's an established convention amongst other authors |
| 23:45.30 | Cralor` | so ur saying i should make it local? |
| 23:45.44 | malreth | i'm asking... why even make a function to begin with? |
| 23:46.17 | wereHamster | Cralor`: the function looks like it's an official blizzard function. If addons provide their own specific global functions, the convention is to prefix it with your addon name, eg. CraylorGetMinimapShape(). Or make it local to your addon so no other addon will see it |
| 23:46.46 | foxlit | wereHamster: that defeats all purposes |
| 23:47.13 | wereHamster | foxlit: which purpose? |
| 23:47.29 | Cralor` | malreth: what do u mean? how can i do it differently? |
| 23:47.36 | foxlit | You want somewhat stable interoperability between minimap providers and consumers |
| 23:48.00 | wereHamster | foxlit: did minimap authors agree upon GetMinimapShape()? |
| 23:48.16 | wereHamster | is it documented somewhere? |
| 23:48.21 | foxlit | Who cares? If you're the first one to that field, you set the rules and document them |
| 23:48.25 | malreth | wereHamster: yeah... i see it |
| 23:48.35 | foxlit | That's not the API I would want, though |
| 23:48.46 | malreth | chinchilla defines a GetMinimapShape() |
| 23:48.48 | foxlit | AddMinimapButton(frame) would be so much prettier |
| 23:48.53 | Nargiddley | http://www.wowwiki.com/GetMinimapShape |
| 23:49.22 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 23:49.27 | Dashkal | why is wowwiki advertising for magelo? |
| 23:49.29 | wereHamster | Nargiddley: Thanks. Didn't know that |
| 23:49.42 | Dashkal | erm, nevermind, I don't want to know, I don't want to go there |
| 23:50.03 | malreth | Dashkal: because the people who run wowwiki are whores and are addicted to crack and magelo gives them crack and whores |
| 23:50.17 | Dashkal | oh, well then I understand :p |
| 23:51.52 | malreth | ok... so we've established the GetMinimapShape() thing |
| 23:52.06 | p3lim | malreth: how would i make that flashing text then? onupdate? |
| 23:52.11 | malreth | we know why you're creating that function |
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| 23:52.32 | malreth | Cralor`: next question... does cLayout_OnClick() ever get called more than once? |
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| 23:52.58 | Cralor` | yes. it shouldn't tho |
| 23:53.02 | malreth | p3lim: yes, you'd employ an OnUpdate handler. |
| 23:53.12 | Cralor` | right? |
| 23:53.22 | malreth | Cralor`: i presume it gets called whenever the user clicks on a checkbox or something? |
| 23:53.32 | Cralor` | correct |
| 23:53.35 | Cralor` | checkbox |
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| 23:54.26 | malreth | so, it's conceivable... and even highly likely that a user might enable the checkbox, turning the map into a square... then click again to turn it round again? |
| 23:54.28 | Cralor` | i should move all the variables under one OnClick() function, correct? |
| 23:54.59 | Cralor` | yes that's the intention |
| 23:55.17 | malreth | brb... |
| 23:55.20 | Cralor` | sure |
| 23:56.08 | p3lim | hm I know how to do that flashing with onupdate if it was a frame |
| 23:56.12 | p3lim | not with text and colors |
| 23:56.19 | p3lim | alpha is easy |
| 23:56.22 | p3lim | im using red and white :/ |
| 23:58.02 | malreth | ok... so let's say that the user takes that exact course of action... what value will GetMinimapShape() return? |
| 23:59.32 | p3lim | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/92472 |
