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| 00:06.38 | laeg | does anybody know of an alternative to naturcombat? |
| 00:06.46 | laeg | there's just not enough options in it |
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| 00:22.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:22.32 | ScytheBlade1 | @ bleeter |
| 00:24.21 | Esamynn | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:24.21 | purl | chops ScytheBlade1 in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
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| 00:47.28 | Thunder_Child | what do you know, i got a beta invite |
| 00:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | What do you know, I didn't! |
| 00:48.24 | Thunder_Child | would it say where it came from? eg. signing up vs. blizzcon? |
| 00:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202276367&sid=1 |
| 00:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: ^ |
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| 00:49.38 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, ? |
| 00:49.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 00:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry I misread |
| 00:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | No it likely wouldn't say |
| 00:50.09 | Thunder_Child | boo, if i knew i could give one away |
| 00:50.29 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb a second invite for my second account :( |
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| 00:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | well. not literally buy |
| 00:53.39 | Duman | wow, google buying digg... $200M |
| 00:54.18 | ScytheBlade1 | So you CAN put a price on retardism |
| 00:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It's apparently $200M |
| 00:54.46 | Thunder_Child | i thought google had better sense then that |
| 00:55.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Link, Duman? It's not on digg or the digg blog |
| 00:55.38 | Duman | it's on digg :) |
| 00:55.48 | Duman | http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/22/google-in-final-negotiations-to-acquire-digg-for-around-200-million/ |
| 00:56.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I missed that entirely |
| 00:56.11 | Duman | (I mean, that link is dugg on digg) |
| 00:56.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 00:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I meant too |
| 00:57.02 | alestane | Is that like eBay buying Skype? |
| 00:57.40 | ScytheBlade1 | no, not even close |
| 00:57.50 | Thunder_Child | why does blizzard have a captcha on the blizzard account creation page? you cant even get to it w/o a wow account |
| 00:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It's kind of analogous to Fox buying Myspace |
| 00:58.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ie "haha wow what a waste of money" |
| 00:58.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Google is passing digg 16.8x their current funding |
| 00:58.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 200M vs. 11.9M |
| 00:58.56 | ScytheBlade1 | (iirc on the digg funding) |
| 00:58.57 | Xuerian | Ooooo, wow looks good with good shadows |
| 01:00.27 | Kirov | Xuerian - ?! |
| 01:00.42 | Xuerian | Kirov: http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Graphics_Upgrade |
| 01:01.06 | Industrial | !playing |
| 01:01.10 | Industrial | wc |
| 01:01.27 | Xuerian | oh. |
| 01:01.32 | Xuerian | yeah, no. Not in yet :( |
| 01:02.07 | Thunder_Child | blizzard fails. "Blizzard Account Email Verification - Action Required" is the heading of the email....there is nothing inside but misc. info |
| 01:02.45 | Kirov | Xuerian - hmm, nice. |
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| 01:02.47 | alestane | Yeah, ignore the part about action required. |
| 01:04.20 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, i bet the new 280 will beable to handle shadows at 6 |
| 01:04.29 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: I'd think so |
| 01:04.48 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: I imagine most cards will be able to handle fairly high settings regardless - this kind of shadowing is rather old |
| 01:05.04 | Xuerian | Depending on if it affects just the ground or all objects (players/etc) |
| 01:05.08 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, makes you wonder what they are running over at blizz |
| 01:05.23 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: Well honestly wow is a feat considering what it can run on |
| 01:05.40 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: I used to run playably on a 1ghz with a nvidia 5900 |
| 01:05.56 | Xuerian | (And 512mb of ram) |
| 01:06.19 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, it's not hard to drop down the low end, i assume they could make it go lower should they wish |
| 01:07.05 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: Yeah. Looking nicer would be good though. Some sort of HDR option along with these better shadows would make it look pretty nice |
| 01:07.36 | Thunder_Child | i really really really want to see wow on the cry engine |
| 01:07.55 | Xuerian | Haha, that'd be interesting |
| 01:08.09 | Xuerian | You'd be able to render without a viewdistance limit |
| 01:08.34 | Thunder_Child | that would be good for running away from gankers |
| 01:08.52 | Xuerian | Well, I guess the issue for *object* view distance is more a network thing than the terrain distance |
| 01:09.11 | Xuerian | (That said it'd be nice if that were higher too... I hate that mobs just *poof* into existence at x fraction of terrain horizon |
| 01:09.28 | Thunder_Child | i thought they fade in more than poofing |
| 01:09.44 | Xuerian | Fair enough, but appear nontheless |
| 01:11.19 | Thunder_Child | what engine is wow using atm? |
| 01:12.03 | Xuerian | Their own, I'm pretty sure |
| 01:13.08 | Xuerian | Can't recall it, but I thought I saw a project where someone rendered wow maps in a different engine |
| 01:13.51 | Thunder_Child | "The game is fully 3D, and its engine shares some elements with the proprietary engine developed for Warcraft III." |
| 01:13.55 | Thunder_Child | is all i found sofar |
| 01:15.19 | Thunder_Child | lol, old ass wow article "The designers want to be sure that players aren't harassed against their will. " |
| 01:16.01 | Xuerian | hurr hurr |
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| 01:18.54 | NightHawkTheSane | there's no combat log messages for rep changes, are there. |
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| 01:19.39 | Xuerian | Chat messages... |
| 01:19.53 | Xuerian | not sure about combat logs though |
| 01:22.46 | Thunder_Child | hmmm..well it looks like they stoped with making their own engine if they ever did since D3 is using Havok |
| 01:24.16 | Thunder_Child | and whats this about 3 and a quarter million for a graphics engine |
| 01:24.17 | Thunder_Child | Later games, such as Quake III Arena and Epic Games's 1998 Unreal were designed with this approach in mind, with the engine and content developed separately. The practice of licensing such technology has proved to be a useful auxiliary revenue stream for some game developers, as a single license for a high-end commercial game engine can range from US$10,000 to $3,750,000 (in the case of Warcraft III), and the number of licensees can |
| 01:24.54 | Corrodias | Thunder_Child: stopped making an engine, in reference to physics only, right? |
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| 01:25.48 | Shirik | I love emails like this |
| 01:25.54 | Shirik | Matt, you should have access to LB 161 shortly. Here are the info |
| 01:25.54 | Shirik | regarding the Lego system. If you want to play around and become |
| 01:25.54 | Shirik | familiar with it. |
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| 01:26.02 | Shirik | I get 3 credits for playing with legos this semester :D |
| 01:26.08 | Xuerian | 0.o |
| 01:26.21 | Xuerian | Person needs to lrn2english |
| 01:26.25 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, yes your correct |
| 01:26.33 | Thunder_Child | "Using a brand new graphics engine, Blizzard claims that Diablo III âcan display characters and hordes of monsters in lush, fully 3D environments.â As well as this, the developer promises that the gameâs âpowerful special-effects systems and Havok-powered physics allow the player to lay waste to the Hells' minions in spectacular ways.â" |
| 01:26.34 | Shirik | he's foreign, Xuerian :) |
| 01:26.37 | Xuerian | Hmm, shadows + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghB0IqnCLHI would look pretty good |
| 01:26.42 | Xuerian | Shirik: Oh, understandable then |
| 01:26.46 | Xuerian | The bastardism is all on you |
| 01:26.49 | Xuerian | legos... |
| 01:26.50 | Xuerian | bastard. |
| 01:27.05 | Shirik | hehehe |
| 01:27.28 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: Not only minions, but the game environment itself which is particularly exciting |
| 01:27.37 | Xuerian | I love the idea of being able to use the environment as a tool as well |
| 01:27.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's just hope they don't go overboard with the idea |
| 01:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | See: Half-Life 2 |
| 01:28.19 | Thunder_Child | yes Xuerian, hence the "lush, fully 3D environments." |
| 01:28.43 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: Greh, that was more showing off havoc than anything else. And I mean the environment itself not just barrels and crates |
| 01:28.47 | Xuerian | like walls and the like |
| 01:29.10 | AnduinLothar | Fisker-: you had a q? |
| 01:29.18 | Thunder_Child | "According to Blizzard, the new game engine ânot only simulates advanced animation sequences and sound effects, but also uses a custom physics engine that allows for realistic object dynamics and cloth simulation.â" |
| 01:29.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Xuerian: just the same, here is to hoping they don't go overboard |
| 01:29.55 | Thunder_Child | i hope it works with DX10.1 as well |
| 01:29.59 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: Fair enough |
| 01:30.03 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: I'd rather it be in opengl |
| 01:30.29 | Xuerian | Unless they do it in both.. Which ends up with one or the other lacking |
| 01:30.33 | Thunder_Child | "The Diablo series have traditionally run on a wide range of graphics APIs in order to ensure widespread hardware support, and Diablo II even supported 3dfxâs proprietary GLide API, which was well past its use-by-date in 2000. However, Blizzard isnât planning to alienate a load of potential players with its choice of API, and the game will also support DirectX 9 on Windows XP." |
| 01:30.44 | bleeter | if they do OSX, they'll have OGL surely? |
| 01:30.58 | Xuerian | bleeter: I guess TC's last post answered it |
| 01:30.59 | Thunder_Child | "The team wants the game to be able to run on as broad a range of systems as possible. The game will not require DX10 to run." |
| 01:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: nah, they're writing a DX <--> OGL conversion layer instead |
| 01:31.21 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: "not require" possibly implementing it either way? |
| 01:31.35 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: yeah, it's not like they don't have the skills |
| 01:31.42 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: I was 110% joking |
| 01:31.52 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, i has no idea |
| 01:31.57 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: so was I =)) |
| 01:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:32.04 | ScytheBlade1 | buuuuuuuuuuurn |
| 01:32.08 | bleeter | no u |
| 01:34.06 | Thunder_Child | while "Weâre developing Diablo III to be the definitive action role-playing game" is rather arrogant, blizz does seem to have a habit of doing just that |
| 01:34.30 | Xuerian | Yep... |
| 01:34.43 | breser | What's arrogant about setting a goal? |
| 01:34.44 | Xuerian | You can pretty much say it of all their current titles |
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| 01:35.14 | Thunder_Child | breser, thats not the way it is worded |
| 01:35.39 | Xuerian | Well, depends on how you read it. |
| 01:36.03 | Thunder_Child | i read it like i read everything...with my eyes |
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| 01:36.07 | Xuerian | They're not saying that's what it's going to be, but that's what they're tryin to end up with |
| 01:36.10 | Xuerian | lulz :p |
| 01:36.25 | bleeter | do or do not, there is no try |
| 01:36.49 | breser | bleeter: Only loosers try, winners do. :P |
| 01:37.29 | bleeter | winners never quit, quitters never win |
| 01:37.31 | Thunder_Child | actualy, losers teach, winners do |
| 01:37.39 | bleeter | hehe |
| 01:37.52 | breser | If you aren't first you're last. |
| 01:37.58 | Arrowmaster | considering they have to use opengl for the mac client, im guessing they will do a perty good job with it |
| 01:38.45 | Xuerian | Not to mention the oGL implementation has multithreaded rendering |
| 01:38.46 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, it would seem to be a feast or famine thing |
| 01:40.06 | breser | Anyway arrogant would be shipping something early before it's ready and then describing your product as steak and the competitors as McDonalds. |
| 01:40.29 | Xuerian | coooooNAAAAN |
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| 01:48.25 | Thunder_Child | why does the blizzard downloader take up so much system resources? |
| 01:49.04 | alestane | It's kind of a clumsy torrent client. |
| 01:49.06 | haste | busy scanning your system |
| 01:49.08 | Xuerian | You are receiving the essence from the great ones. Do you really DARE question how wide your -censored- opens to recieve it? |
| 01:49.28 | Xuerian | Ok, that was a bit random, don't mind me >_> |
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| 02:00.29 | Seerah | ping Tekkub |
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| 02:01.03 | Tekkub | ow |
| 02:01.13 | Seerah | it was a ping, not a poke :P |
| 02:01.17 | Tekkub | ow |
| 02:01.25 | Seerah | wth is Make Rocket Go Now supposed to be on the screen? |
| 02:01.38 | Tekkub | it's a LDB data provider |
| 02:01.51 | Seerah | I thought it was supposed to be like quickie |
| 02:02.04 | Tekkub | it is... in a LDB data provider |
| 02:02.09 | bleeter | you want a quickie? that's the penis extension, surely! :P |
| 02:02.10 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Tekkub |
| 02:02.10 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Tekkub, pokes Tekkub repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 02:02.33 | Seerah | I guess I don't get the difference |
| 02:03.16 | Tekkub | you remember my old ModMenuFu? |
| 02:04.01 | Seerah | ummm.... |
| 02:04.16 | Esamynn | Xuerian: thank you for the laugh, I needed it |
| 02:04.28 | Seerah | I remember something where you could make your own fubar menu, but I think it was rabbit's? |
| 02:04.51 | Xuerian | Esamynn: I'd say any time, but stuff like that just comes out >.> |
| 02:05.00 | Esamynn | indeed |
| 02:05.24 | Tekkub | well anyway.. it's just quickie stuffed into an LDB data feed with an OnClick to open it |
| 02:06.18 | Seerah | oh... I don't have SBC or Fortress enabled atm. probably why I don't see it. (If I'm understanding you correctly) |
| 02:06.42 | Tekkub | yea |
| 02:06.58 | Seerah | thank you dear :) |
| 02:07.22 | Xuerian | Hmm... Anyone know where I can get 1gb sticks of DDR1 on the cheap? |
| 02:07.25 | Seerah | Quickie I had to search for and then look in the code :P |
| 02:07.55 | Tekkub | newegg? |
| 02:08.46 | Seerah | question/feedback now, tek: why have two blocks for MRGN? |
| 02:08.57 | Tekkub | I don't |
| 02:09.14 | Seerah | one's the menu (with a launcher for MRGN in it) the other is a launcher button for MRGN |
| 02:09.27 | Seerah | One says "Rocket" other says "Make Rocket Go Now" |
| 02:09.28 | Tekkub | oh, just cause why not |
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| 02:09.47 | Tekkub | uh, yea |
| 02:09.51 | Seerah | cause the launcher for your about is already in the MRGN menu :P |
| 02:09.59 | Seerah | but I found it! |
| 02:10.03 | Tekkub | you're easily cnofused |
| 02:10.03 | Seerah | lol |
| 02:10.25 | Tekkub | SBC? |
| 02:11.18 | Thunder_Child | someone go write a new torrent program for blizzard damit |
| 02:11.48 | Seerah | I thought SBC was off. Otherwise I wouldn't have been asking you where MRGN was |
| 02:12.07 | Seerah | yep. off |
| 02:13.04 | Seerah | I'm not confused :P You messed up :P |
| 02:13.06 | Seerah | jk |
| 02:14.46 | Xuerian | Oh bugger.. Forgot it's my second dimm that's burned out. /me curses his crappy computer and goes back to random things. |
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| 02:29.12 | Amarande | Xuerian: I think Kingston DDR1 1GB's are on sale for 45$ at Circuit City |
| 02:29.19 | Amarande | at least they were yesterday, anyway |
| 02:30.03 | Xuerian | Amarande: 1gb value (Hey, I have 2700's in here right now, 3200 values would still be as good or better) sticks are 29 (corsair and g.skill) on newegg |
| 02:30.48 | Xuerian | Still, it's the dimm that's bad, not the ram. Somehow I burned out the dimm furthest from the cpu when I upgraded from a 2.6 p4 to a 3.06HT and almost melted it |
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| 02:36.24 | cogwheel | poo... no unicode for the spanish ll :( Most of my wife's toon names have followed the pattern: Miki%aa ... She wanted to use double L in Mikilla for obvious reasons ;) |
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| 02:36.42 | Thunder_Child | there needs to be a virtual PC builder, you choose the parts and it tells you the PCmark score |
| 02:37.16 | cogwheel | (on beta... i hate it when people do it on live...) |
| 02:37.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:37.42 | Thunder_Child | s/PCmark/3Dmark/ |
| 02:38.05 | Shirik | Okay guys, I'm sure nobody in here is guilty of this, but I'm going to say it anyway |
| 02:38.11 | Thunder_Child | i am |
| 02:38.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Same! |
| 02:38.27 | Shirik | This does not qualify as "your own addon" or "a modified version" to get yourself a beta key |
| 02:38.28 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/29debd6ef92ca3c4bea5005ee9c4c6b6.jpg |
| 02:38.32 | NightHawkTheSane | if i'm not, i'm going to do it just to be. |
| 02:38.44 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 02:39.02 | NightHawkTheSane | hahaha |
| 02:39.09 | ScytheBlade1 | irl lol |
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| 02:39.19 | Thunder_Child | well it IS modified |
| 02:39.21 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, i take that back, i couldn't do something that poorly |
| 02:39.23 | ScytheBlade1 | SEARCH/REPLACE GO |
| 02:39.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ha yeah |
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| 02:39.46 | Thunder_Child | it must have been ckknight that did it |
| 02:39.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually have a guildie who saw the WoWI offer |
| 02:40.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And then went off on her own and created an addon she had a use for, and uploaded it |
| 02:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I was impressed |
| 02:40.21 | ckknight | never! |
| 02:40.30 | cogwheel | nice :) |
| 02:40.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: yeah, it provides some actual motivation to polish up the 2-3 things i've written for personal use, and never done much with |
| 02:40.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It doesn't use the event globals either |
| 02:41.03 | cogwheel | ha |
| 02:41.06 | cogwheel | must've bought our book :P |
| 02:41.10 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 02:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really simplistic, it just displayers her shot timer in a little window |
| 02:41.39 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: linksies? |
| 02:42.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Xuerian: hmm, sec |
| 02:42.02 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: heh... my first addon was CastOnSelf. All it did is add a slash command to do its namesake |
| 02:42.13 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Nice :) |
| 02:42.13 | cogwheel | s/is/was/ |
| 02:42.18 | Shirik | I'm all for people like that :) |
| 02:42.23 | Shirik | IF THEY ACTUALLY MAKE IT |
| 02:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=9357 |
| 02:42.31 | ScytheBlade1 | She actually made it |
| 02:42.37 | Shirik | Oh I know :) |
| 02:42.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Her post on the guild forums |
| 02:42.43 | Industrial | my first addon was idChat |
| 02:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | "So I got tired of raiding with my char window open (and I want a beta key) and wrote a (very) little addon that shows my attack speed. " |
| 02:42.53 | Industrial | i bet its still like a 30 line diff from its original |
| 02:42.56 | Industrial | :P |
| 02:43.10 | Xuerian | Industrial: I still use that :p |
| 02:43.28 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: nice |
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| 02:44.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't much but hey, I was impressed that she took the time to learn it all on her own |
| 02:44.41 | ScytheBlade1 | points in my book |
| 02:45.00 | Industrial | shes just the one with the acount on wowwiki |
| 02:45.08 | Industrial | who says she (he?) made it? |
| 02:46.44 | cogwheel | hah... people taking $$ to get people into beta? ;) |
| 02:47.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:47.04 | cogwheel | (not accusing... just thought the idea was funny :P) |
| 02:47.11 | Industrial | I take other forms of payment too |
| 02:47.15 | Industrial | *cough* |
| 02:47.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:47.56 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, "other forms" |
| 02:48.14 | Industrial | 8) |
| 02:48.15 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, it happens, last beta i up an addon that soemone else made |
| 02:48.23 | Thunder_Child | upped* |
| 02:48.36 | abug | what if your account name on wowi is different the psuedonym you use elsewhere? |
| 02:48.42 | Shirik | don't worry |
| 02:48.45 | Shirik | we do a lot of checking |
| 02:48.49 | Industrial | well, are you willing to fly to amsterdam, Thunder_Child :D? |
| 02:48.59 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, huh? |
| 02:49.07 | Industrial | never mind :p just kidding |
| 02:49.13 | Thunder_Child | you lost me |
| 02:49.14 | Shirik | why do you ask, abug? |
| 02:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | The sad thing about her making that addon though? |
| 02:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | But her and another guy in my guild have now made addons |
| 02:49.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That feature fully functional GUIs |
| 02:49.43 | ScytheBlade1 | (In XML) |
| 02:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | And I have yet to do anything close to it :( |
| 02:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://gothate.org/images/warcraft/kcf_options.jpg |
| 02:50.31 | abug | I use abug on my addons |
| 02:50.38 | abug | but at wowi I had ienen |
| 02:50.48 | abug | though I just reregistered |
| 02:52.24 | Mikk | damnit... what's the name of that open source network traffic analyzer / capture thingy |
| 02:52.29 | ScytheBlade1 | wireshark |
| 02:52.31 | Mikk | thanks |
| 02:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | sure thing |
| 02:52.55 | abug | does a crazy mod count towards the beta key? |
| 02:53.54 | Mikk | define crazy |
| 02:54.10 | Industrial | implement purl, abug |
| 02:54.12 | Industrial | ingame |
| 02:54.13 | Industrial | :P |
| 02:54.16 | abug | heh |
| 02:54.26 | Industrial | hm i'd rather have a taling bot but I think someone already made one |
| 02:54.30 | Thunder_Child | like guill's "count how many times you hit the spacebar to jump" kind of crazy mod? |
| 02:54.31 | Industrial | talking* |
| 02:54.50 | Industrial | what if I use C to jump :O |
| 02:54.52 | Thunder_Child | guill did called panda |
| 02:54.53 | abug | was thinking more like tetris with any frames parented to UIParent |
| 02:55.18 | cogwheel | sheep |
| 02:55.23 | cogwheel | window sheep... |
| 02:55.34 | cogwheel | that explode |
| 02:55.42 | Industrial | baaa |
| 02:55.45 | Thunder_Child | or get some sleep |
| 02:55.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man |
| 02:55.54 | Industrial | count sheep |
| 02:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Multiplayer exploding sheep |
| 02:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That has serious possibilities |
| 02:57.00 | Xuerian | If only you could apply spell effects to dressup frames |
| 02:57.07 | cogwheel | well i certainly don't have the time to do anything like that, so better out than in i say :P |
| 02:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 02:57.27 | cogwheel | Not that i need the key mind you :P |
| 02:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure you do! |
| 02:57.36 | ScytheBlade1 | To give to me! |
| 02:57.53 | cogwheel | I may have just given it to someone :P |
| 02:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 02:58.12 | cogwheel | 19:55 <+cogwheel> window sheep... |
| 02:58.15 | cogwheel | u go nao |
| 02:58.18 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:58.31 | Industrial | im in ur queue, waiting for mah keyz email |
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| 03:14.15 | Amarande | Any idea why the font in ArkInventory keeps reverting to Friz Quadrata whenever I go to a vendor or AH? |
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| 03:16.53 | Tem | Oh I /really/ like this tower at the front of the horde base |
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| 03:18.50 | abug | I prefer to drop a grounding totem and laugh |
| 03:22.40 | Shirik | > return 1 % 0 |
| 03:22.44 | Shirik | lua> return 1 % 0 |
| 03:22.45 | lua_bot | Shirik: nan |
| 03:22.47 | Shirik | ... |
| 03:22.52 | Shirik | lua> return tostring(1 % 0) |
| 03:22.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: nan |
| 03:22.55 | Shirik | omg |
| 03:22.58 | Shirik | --> return 1 % 0 |
| 03:22.59 | batbot | Shirik: > nan |
| 03:23.05 | Shirik | ok you all are so failing |
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| 03:23.13 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 03:23.26 | Shirik | -1.#IND |
| 03:23.27 | Shirik | thank you |
| 03:23.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Helps when I enableMouse="true" for a frame I'm trying to drag |
| 03:28.24 | Shirik | banning sighteye, I need a censor set up |
| 03:28.29 | Shirik | .... wrong channel |
| 03:29.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
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| 03:29.41 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik |
| 03:29.41 | purl | Shirik: FAIL! |
| 03:29.48 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Guillotine |
| 03:29.49 | purl | Guillotine: FAIL! |
| 03:29.54 | Guillotine | NO U |
| 03:30.09 | Thunder_Child | ~lol Guillotine |
| 03:30.18 | Thunder_Child | damit purl, you let me down again |
| 03:31.48 | Shirik | oh look at this NightHawkTheSane guy trying to get a beta key |
| 03:32.14 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. ban that loser. *nod* |
| 03:32.22 | Thunder_Child | ~lol Guillotine |
| 03:32.23 | purl | ACTION Laughs out Loud at Guillotine |
| 03:36.46 | Shirik | !api GetItemInfo |
| 03:36.47 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetItemInfo' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo |
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| 03:47.08 | Xuerian | Wow, you know something was wrong when the other team in AV gets 600 bonus honor |
| 03:48.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: you know something was wrong when you were in av. :P |
| 03:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Can you parent frames to named textures? Like you would any other frame? |
| 03:49.22 | Guillotine | textures can't be parents |
| 03:49.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Answers that, thanks |
| 03:52.01 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | EJ irc is entertaining |
| 03:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:51 <+Eej> where's that alexanderyoshi guy |
| 03:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:51 <+Eej> i need to yell at him for making such an ugly ass mod |
| 03:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol it all makes sense now |
| 03:52.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://static.curseforge.net/uploads/19/8/880/EbonBlade1.jpg |
| 03:52.56 | kd3 | oh wow, the dk chain is awesome |
| 03:53.04 | kd3 | looking forward to what happens after we wake up in epl |
| 03:53.41 | Guillotine | SB: >< |
| 03:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll admit it, I laughed |
| 03:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | @ Guillotine |
| 03:54.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Why he was asking for MPQ extractors and texture specifics a day or two ago around midnight EST suddenly makes sense |
| 03:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 03:56.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't read the UI forums on the Wrath boards if you don't want a pretty big spoiler |
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| 03:59.52 | Xuerian | Linksies :D |
| 04:00.00 | Xuerian | I don't get to endgame content anyway, dun care.. >_> |
| 04:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Isn't related to endgame content |
| 04:00.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't call that end game content if it is what i think it is |
| 04:00.25 | ScytheBlade1 | But rather the DK chain |
| 04:00.36 | Xuerian | Eh so? Link? >_> |
| 04:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202606797&sid=2000 |
| 04:01.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You asked for it |
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| 04:01.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | how is that a spoiler? |
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| 04:03.08 | cogwheel | you know what's funny about the beta? you can actually run into other people with Murky's & Murloc Costumes... |
| 04:03.30 | Xuerian | cogwheel: What, so you don't feel so alone? :P |
| 04:03.39 | cogwheel | yeah :P |
| 04:04.17 | cogwheel | A guild I was in had 5 murky's in it at one time. people left, switched mains, etc. to the point where I NEVER saw any on that server |
| 04:05.23 | Yssaril | Seerah: ping |
| 04:05.33 | Seerah | pong |
| 04:05.47 | Yssaril | Seerah: did you get the font widget to work? |
| 04:06.12 | Seerah | I didn't have a chance to try that yet :) |
| 04:06.15 | Seerah | thanks, though |
| 04:06.39 | Yssaril | np use the new versions internal lists :) then you dont have to maintain it yourself :) |
| 04:07.03 | Seerah | the odd thing was that it was set up the *exact* same way as for sounds and statusbars and it worked |
| 04:07.14 | Seerah | but when commenting out that dialogControl line it worked again |
| 04:07.33 | Tekkub | WTB [Motivation] to rewrite Cork |
| 04:07.42 | Tekkub | so far I have..... |
| 04:07.42 | Tekkub | Cork = {} |
| 04:07.49 | Seerah | rofl |
| 04:08.00 | Seerah | you keep saying that you're going to do it |
| 04:08.05 | Seerah | does that count for anything? |
| 04:08.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I have about six addons that are awfully close to that |
| 04:08.09 | Tekkub | I have it all designed out in my head /cry |
| 04:08.16 | Seerah | awfully close to {} ? |
| 04:08.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 04:08.44 | Seerah | I need to finish Broadcaster |
| 04:10.15 | Yssaril | i need a name for my addon for the WoWI kite contest /sigh |
| 04:10.29 | Tekkub | what's it do? |
| 04:10.56 | Yssaril | when you click and ingame link it will rarely RickRoll you :p |
| 04:11.24 | Tekkub | stupidest meme evar |
| 04:11.52 | Xuerian | +1 |
| 04:12.11 | Tekkub | PrickRoll |
| 04:12.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | ow |
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| 04:16.37 | ScytheBlade1 | How is OnEnter/OnLeave protoyped in XML? |
| 04:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW Programming has (self, motion) |
| 04:17.18 | ScytheBlade1 | But is motion already defined in that block? |
| 04:18.33 | Tekkub | use lua? |
| 04:18.34 | Tekkub | :) |
| 04:19.06 | Shirik | ~kill ScytheBlade1 for using XML |
| 04:19.07 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse anti-proton gun at ScytheBlade1 for using XML |
| 04:25.41 | Thunder_Child | http://www.rlslog.net/wow-glider-v168-lz0/ |
| 04:26.12 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 04:26.59 | Guillotine | ScytheBlade1: All scripts in XML are wrapped in an implicit functions with the arguments explained in that book. So "motion" is defined :) |
| 04:27.15 | Guillotine | However, if you do it in Lua, you're going to have to do it yourself. But they will still be in the same order |
| 04:28.08 | Thunder_Child | are the beta ToU the same as normal wow? |
| 04:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine: okay, yeah, I know the lua way around things, but this is really my first time playing around with the XML and /getting somewhere/ |
| 04:28.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 04:28.32 | Guillotine | np :) |
| 04:29.15 | ScytheBlade1 | "You can clip our wings, but we will always remember what it was like to fly!" - the same could be said of any illegal drug or cheating :P |
| 04:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | The glider people have amazing ways of putting things :P |
| 04:29.42 | Thunder_Child | i want to try it in the beta :( |
| 04:29.48 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 04:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | You want to try gliding in the beta? |
| 04:30.03 | Thunder_Child | ya, never tried it before, just to see |
| 04:30.45 | ScytheBlade1 | If I really really wanted to try it |
| 04:30.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd get on a local private realm and unplug the ethernet before I did :P |
| 04:31.29 | Gnarfoz | that's not even a quote from the "glider people" |
| 04:31.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: no, but it's a very common quote around the glider/botting/'splots communities in general |
| 04:32.07 | ScytheBlade1 | And "glider people" was really meant more to say "those who use it" |
| 04:32.23 | Gnarfoz | the article even puts it in the right reference frame: wall walking |
| 04:32.41 | Gnarfoz | (patch 1.8 killed that, which was when the phrase became popular) |
| 04:32.45 | Gnarfoz | (in wow) |
| 04:32.48 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 04:32.52 | Gnarfoz | (why am I writing in parentheses) |
| 04:33.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It just caught on with the less-than-reputable places ;) |
| 04:33.08 | Gnarfoz | [maybe brackets are better ;D] |
| 04:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 04:34.14 | ScytheBlade1 | If I have a <FontString> defined, how do I reference that from lua? |
| 04:34.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Namely looking to change the text on an event |
| 04:35.11 | zenzelezz | use its name? |
| 04:35.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Have to reference it by name? |
| 04:36.06 | Thunder_Child | "The fact that people not only pay to play the game⦠but then pay for cheats so they donât actually have to is beyond me." |
| 04:36.21 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: not sure if you *have* to, but that's how I do it anyway |
| 04:36.55 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: okay, cool, thanks |
| 04:45.28 | Legorol | I have a weird question: |
| 04:45.52 | Legorol | what AddOns would people recommend to me to have a quick glance at, as popular/often used addons i'm likely to have to help people troubleshoot in my guild |
| 04:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | troubleshoot what exactly? |
| 04:46.33 | Legorol | just in general, i like to have a small experience with anything popular |
| 04:46.39 | Legorol | anything goes |
| 04:46.52 | Legorol | popular bar mods, healing aids, buffing aids, unit frames etc. |
| 04:47.08 | Xuerian | Omen. perl/xperl unitframes. Cartographer, questhelper, perfectraid, ctraid |
| 04:47.16 | Codayus | As in...what will idiots ask you? "I installed oRA like you said and now I have bars in the middle of my screen, how do I move them?!" |
| 04:47.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, I thought you meant like remote debugging |
| 04:47.29 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 04:47.36 | Legorol | basically anything that you think comes up fairly regularly in ordinary guild chat discussions |
| 04:47.48 | Legorol | Codayus: something like that |
| 04:48.23 | Legorol | To give an example of the kind of things I'm thinking about: Auctioneer, Cartographer, xperl, Ctraid, healbot, pallypower, clique, bongos, bartender, etc. etc. list is endless |
| 04:48.33 | Legorol | maybe the question is wrong |
| 04:49.27 | Codayus | oRA, Bigwigs, Omen. Never seen anyone confused over Auctioneer, since only fairly technical sorts even try it... |
| 04:50.02 | Codayus | Hmm. Frankly, 90% of problems seem to come from addons guilds make people install. |
| 04:50.26 | Tekkub | yup |
| 04:50.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo, the XSD doesn't recognize that you don't need <Size> or <Anchors> when setAllPoints="true" :( |
| 04:50.34 | Codayus | Pallypower and...ah, that tranq shot rotation mod I can't recall the name of... |
| 04:50.35 | Tekkub | that's why I say forced addons are bullshit |
| 04:50.40 | Codayus | Yep. |
| 04:50.47 | Tekkub | just play dumb |
| 04:50.48 | Thunder_Child | why is blizz trying to install into my users folder? |
| 04:50.54 | Thunder_Child | that doesnt seem right |
| 04:50.54 | Tekkub | "but I installed it... oh well |
| 04:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: note the full path |
| 04:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: Users\Public\Games |
| 04:51.17 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, still in my users folder, not in program files |
| 04:51.19 | Legorol | Tekkub: i am largely against forced addons too, however they have their places. |
| 04:51.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: thank UAC |
| 04:51.43 | Legorol | There are some things that require all raid members to have for you to be able to benefit.. in which case you want to force others to install it too ;-) |
| 04:51.56 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, oh, i dont have UAC enabled, nor do i install to C drive |
| 04:51.58 | Codayus | In any case, saying "you shouldn't force people to use addons" doesn't make the problems go away when people do it anyhow. :-) |
| 04:52.06 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, i guess thats why i didnt know |
| 04:52.24 | Tekkub | Codayus, uhm, so then don't care? that's worked wonders for me |
| 04:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: well that's why they changed the stock path, I'd guess |
| 04:52.37 | Legorol | Also, often people don't know about a particular addon/just lazy to install it, but once they do, they do benefit from it (and thus the whole raid thus) |
| 04:52.42 | Legorol | SolarianAlarm comes to mind |
| 04:53.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Gah, SolarianAlarm |
| 04:53.09 | Legorol | With that one, my policy is: |
| 04:53.19 | Codayus | Tekkub: Tsk, I know you're bright enough to figure this out. Sometimes you're responsible for fixing the problem, but don't have authority to change the rules, and can't/won't just pack it up and change guilds for other reasons... |
| 04:53.27 | Legorol | If your own eyes/addons are able to warn you adequately, fine. If you know how to configure bigwigs/dbm to warn you, fine. |
| 04:53.34 | Legorol | Screw up once, and you are installing it, no questions asked. |
| 04:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | "I'M GLOWING IN PURPLE ELECTRICITY WITH NINE WHISPERS AND A DEBUFF WHILE BEING YELLED AT OVER VENT, AND SOMEHOW I _STILL_ REQUIRE MORE NOTIFICATION" |
| 04:53.42 | Tekkub | I don't even know what the problem was |
| 04:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | (Me? Anger issues? NEVER) |
| 04:54.18 | Legorol | lol ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:54.30 | Codayus | Legorol: Same rule in my guild. *AND* I made the rule too. "Look, here's the addon, install it if you like. Not hard to move, if you can't move install the addon, if you blow the raid up and STILL don't install the addon, we'll burn down your house IRL." |
| 04:54.31 | Legorol | actually I think SolarianAlarm is a beautiful example of what an AddOn is for |
| 04:54.39 | Codayus | ....naturally, I then blew the raid up. Twice. |
| 04:54.43 | ScytheBlade1 | "Just in case you were too stupid to figure out everything above, here, let me turn your entire screen BLUE." |
| 04:54.43 | Codayus | I installed the addon. :-/ |
| 04:55.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm one of those people who raid without DBM, SolarianAlarm, etc |
| 04:55.08 | Tekkub | I gave my raid /follow macros for the mage lead on Geddon |
| 04:55.13 | Codayus | (This was before Bigwigs duplicated the functionality.) |
| 04:55.18 | Tekkub | guild rule, no DKP till Misstaken dies |
| 04:55.21 | Legorol | AddOns are about presenting information... if you need information to be presented (and prioritised by turning your screen blue), then so be it |
| 04:55.24 | Legorol | If it helps, by all means use it |
| 04:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: sure of course |
| 04:56.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: but that doesn't mean that the users of said addons are anything short of.... .... |
| 04:56.08 | Legorol | I can very well understand someone not reacting fast enough to other forms of presentation |
| 04:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Stopping there :) |
| 04:56.15 | Legorol | I disagree :) |
| 04:56.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah that's why I'm stopping, haha |
| 04:56.29 | Legorol | It may be easy for you to notice the other forms of notification, other people may have problem with it |
| 04:56.42 | Legorol | ok well, i hate SolarianAlarm being mandatory too |
| 04:56.59 | Legorol | but in practice, my guild has noted that it dramatically increases our success rate |
| 04:57.04 | Codayus | Yep. |
| 04:57.23 | Legorol | I did an interesting experiment today actually |
| 04:57.33 | Tekkub | oh mah gawd |
| 04:57.37 | Legorol | We were doing ZA, and I usually call out storm clouds on teamspeak |
| 04:57.39 | Tekkub | I think I just creamed my pants |
| 04:57.41 | Codayus | Saying you HAVE to install it is bad, saying "if you blow the raid up without it you have to install it" is...sensible, I think. I mean, what's the alternative, gkicks? |
| 04:57.45 | Legorol | People still screw it up occasionally |
| 04:57.51 | Tekkub | Ben & Jerry's Cinnamon Bun ice cream.... |
| 04:57.53 | Legorol | So today, I decided we'll have a nice little practice session |
| 04:58.01 | Codayus | (Not that I'm not tempted sometimes...) |
| 04:58.06 | Legorol | I will be completely silent, and everyone is responsible for focusing on it on their own |
| 04:58.06 | Xuerian | Tekkub: The irony is amusing |
| 04:58.24 | Legorol | Funnily enough, due to the different/unusual expectations, people focused more |
| 04:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not even a little bit surprised |
| 04:58.46 | Codayus | Heh, long ago, we were working on um...Chromaggus, I think. People had to run in and out of LoS when he breathed, and people were NOT listening. |
| 04:59.01 | Codayus | Our then raid leader made the entire raid run out to burning stepped and run in circles. |
| 04:59.02 | Legorol | oh, these people usually listen |
| 04:59.08 | Legorol | lol |
| 04:59.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't get me wrong, I'll bash on the "ADDONS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL" tards endlessly |
| 04:59.17 | Codayus | Counterclockwise. Said we wouldn't keep raiding until we ran in a COUNTERCLOCKWISE circle. |
| 04:59.18 | ScytheBlade1 | But I do feel that a lot of them take a fair bit out of the game for me |
| 04:59.28 | Codayus | We did. We went back in. We killed chromagus. *shrug* |
| 04:59.29 | Xuerian | Codayus: Hahaha |
| 04:59.44 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: yes they do |
| 04:59.51 | Legorol | Actually that's one of the problems I have too. |
| 05:00.05 | Legorol | Since AddOns do make certain things easier, the minmaxers more or less demand their use. |
| 05:00.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Those minmaxers are equally tards |
| 05:00.19 | Tekkub | so? |
| 05:00.27 | Codayus | Bliz is....somewhat good about trying to fix anything that NEEDS an addon, at least. |
| 05:00.31 | Legorol | I can't justify trying to rely on my own skills to survive a certain situation if that risks jeopardising the raid, when an AddOn can eliminate the risk. |
| 05:00.47 | Tekkub | as long as there are people that demand it, there are people like me that will liberate the peoples with addons like KMFDM |
| 05:00.50 | Legorol | Again, SolarianAlarm comes to mind. |
| 05:00.59 | Legorol | I will be the first to admit that without any AddOn, I may blow up once or twice. |
| 05:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I managed 95% DPS uptime on Leotheras despite the frequent aggro dumps and me having zero times and no vent, without pulling aggro - minmaxers who say "YOU WILL INSTALL THIS OR I SHALL REAP YOUR SOUL RAWWWRR" are argubably just as incompetent |
| 05:01.28 | ScytheBlade1 | (Note: I really don't expect *too* many people to agree with me) |
| 05:01.44 | Legorol | Basically, it comes down to a compromise: |
| 05:01.54 | Legorol | your personal enjoyment/satisfaction and those of the others you raid with |
| 05:02.00 | Legorol | It's a team effort, everyone has to compromise |
| 05:02.02 | ScytheBlade1 | *timers |
| 05:02.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 05:02.11 | Xuerian | ScytheBlade1: I agree. If you pay attention in a raid you generally don't need the addons. Even threat can be managed that way |
| 05:02.31 | Tekkub | therat meters have made people VERY lazy |
| 05:02.40 | Legorol | Xuerian: "intuitive" threat management will never give the same performance though as an accurate threatmeter+someone who actually watches it |
| 05:02.46 | Xuerian | Legorol: Of course |
| 05:02.50 | Legorol | You would find it hard to skim the 110-130% area |
| 05:02.57 | Xuerian | Legorol: It arguably gives more accomplishment, however |
| 05:03.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Xuerian: it's pretty easy to count to five and figure out that you need to stop nuking before whirlwind stops, yes? That's argubably my point in a single example |
| 05:03.01 | Tekkub | "back in the day" you just burned feign death every time it was up and throttled back a smidge if it resisted |
| 05:03.06 | Xuerian | Legorol: Not literal, of course, but to yourself |
| 05:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Pay attention, and you won't suck |
| 05:03.24 | kd3 | "feign death? bah! mages drop aggro with /real/ death!" |
| 05:03.28 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 05:03.31 | Legorol | I always like to put it like this: |
| 05:03.36 | Legorol | AddOns help the average player do better |
| 05:03.44 | Xuerian | hahaha kd3 |
| 05:03.45 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: s/mages/shaman/, mages have invis. :p |
| 05:03.46 | Legorol | AddOns generally won't make a difference in the good players' performance |
| 05:03.54 | Legorol | and will sometimes hinder the exceptional |
| 05:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | While I won't try and pad my ego to say that I'm exceptional :P |
| 05:04.26 | Legorol | Now I'm all for AddOns as accessibility tools: enabling a larger population to perform at a higher level than they would be capable of natively |
| 05:04.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I do find boss mods amazingly distracting, and of zero value |
| 05:04.32 | ScytheBlade1 | They just get in the way for me |
| 05:04.37 | Tekkub | I always like to put it like this: I don't like the addon you're forcing upon me, so I'll spend time in raids on autoshot coding something better |
| 05:04.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: or |
| 05:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ! |
| 05:04.49 | Legorol | lol Tekkub |
| 05:05.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: in my case, you code "FakeRaidAddons" that responds to version checks of common raid addons, and auto-updates with highest seen values. |
| 05:05.05 | Legorol | Fortunately, I raid in an amazingly mature environment, where collective consensus generally wins out |
| 05:05.10 | Legorol | So we don't have people like Tekkub ;-) |
| 05:05.25 | Legorol | People don't tend to go behind the RL's back and second guess their decisions |
| 05:05.44 | Legorol | That does have to do with our RLs charisma too and the (i think for most guilds) exceptional team spirit we have |
| 05:06.02 | Legorol | I'd say most of our raiders are average or below average, but have fairly good attitude when it comes to being sheeps :) |
| 05:06.14 | Legorol | They are at least wellbehaved sheeples |
| 05:06.40 | Xuerian | lol |
| 05:06.49 | Legorol | ScytheBlade1: I would find it sad if you actually had to fake having those AddOns |
| 05:06.56 | Legorol | A rational discussion over it would be far more preferable |
| 05:07.02 | Tekkub | ScytheBlade1, yes, KMFDM |
| 05:07.17 | Legorol | Tekkub: available from anywhere? |
| 05:07.29 | Tekkub | and my RL was a total dick up to the day BigWigs saved our ass on Hakkar |
| 05:07.45 | Tekkub | nah, noone requires KLHTM anymore |
| 05:07.58 | Legorol | what does KMFDM stand for? |
| 05:08.06 | ScytheBlade1 | For what it is worth, I really didn't remain guilded in that specific guild long |
| 05:08.32 | Legorol | We have the following AddOns mandatory: |
| 05:08.40 | Legorol | CTRA, Omen and a bossmod of the user's choice |
| 05:08.44 | Legorol | That's it |
| 05:08.51 | Tekkub | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKMFDM&ei=3byGSPP5CaeuoQT0qfiWBw&usg=AFQjCNEeHmn9pzumaQ4rCZMAbOtkk8cO6w&sig2=9Qjh8SfnXhepswHVlsoayg |
| 05:08.53 | Legorol | CTRA just so that I can spy on them :) |
| 05:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | s/CTRA/oRA2/ ? |
| 05:08.54 | Tekkub | gah |
| 05:09.00 | Tekkub | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMFDM |
| 05:09.02 | Xuerian | Legorol: I hope you allow oRA2 as a sub |
| 05:09.18 | Tekkub | CTRA isn't needed at all :P |
| 05:09.20 | Legorol | I haven't had it asked before, does it respond to all queries adequetly? |
| 05:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 05:09.27 | Legorol | If so, then I'm fine with it |
| 05:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And it doesn't taint your raid group frame and prevent you from switching groups mid combat |
| 05:09.42 | Legorol | Tekkub: I need it to check on the raid's durability, reagents etc. |
| 05:09.42 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, people still use ctra? |
| 05:09.47 | Legorol | People DO forget to come repaired |
| 05:09.52 | Tekkub | no, you WANT it |
| 05:09.54 | Tekkub | :P |
| 05:10.06 | Legorol | The only thing we use CTRA for is playing Big Brother |
| 05:10.15 | Xuerian | It's unfortunate but true |
| 05:10.21 | Xuerian | I forget to repair all the time -_- |
| 05:10.23 | Legorol | and some people ask me to set MTs in it, because they are used to it, so i do it for them |
| 05:10.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Playing big brother is also somewhat useful in a number of circumstances though |
| 05:10.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have a problem with oRA2/CTRA, they don't effect actual gameplay at all |
| 05:11.01 | Legorol | yup |
| 05:11.09 | Tekkub | well... CTRA was/is a bit of a moster |
| 05:11.16 | Tekkub | *monster |
| 05:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | CTRA is |
| 05:11.25 | ScytheBlade1 | oRA2 is fine |
| 05:11.25 | Legorol | I am happy with any substitute that gives the same functionality |
| 05:11.28 | Tekkub | borgmod really |
| 05:12.01 | Legorol | What I DO have a problem with is this: some zealots update Omen every time they log in |
| 05:12.20 | Legorol | and since it seemsto have a new revision once an hour, it means they then go and telll people to update because they are out of date |
| 05:12.33 | Legorol | I often have to overrule them and say that the versions people are using are fine |
| 05:12.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: which is why I just said on my guild forums, "Here is a link to the version of Omen we will use for the week. Stop updating you tools." |
| 05:12.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Works wonders |
| 05:12.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: don't really confuse people who compulsively update with people who compulsively version check others. :P |
| 05:13.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i do the former, but not the latter. |
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| 05:13.10 | Legorol | I have a simpler approach: don't bother updating unless I tell you to. |
| 05:13.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | every wow launch was a new cosmos/ace update |
| 05:13.28 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: the correlation is amazingly high |
| 05:13.44 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 05:13.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: arguably true, unfortunately |
| 05:13.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't care if people are out of date unless it's months |
| 05:13.53 | Tekkub | so hubby's in here on the floor sleeping |
| 05:13.58 | Tekkub | cause there's AC in here... |
| 05:14.10 | Tekkub | fuzz comes in and doesn't know what the fuck's going on |
| 05:14.18 | Tekkub | so he's standing there yelling at him |
| 05:14.57 | Legorol | Random UI question: |
| 05:15.09 | Tekkub | answer, /rl |
| 05:15.18 | Legorol | I have seen some videos where people see bigwigs-style raid warnings of when people MD in the raid |
| 05:15.27 | Legorol | If that's a feature of BigWigs, how do I enable it |
| 05:15.30 | Legorol | If not, which AddOn does it |
| 05:16.06 | Dashkal | is there any such thing as a non-craptacular windows pdf viewer? (I hate acrobat) |
| 05:16.42 | zenzelezz | Foxit |
| 05:16.43 | NightHawkTheSane | foxit |
| 05:17.03 | Dashkal | oh thank you so much |
| 05:17.11 | Dashkal | I was about ready to attempt to compile kpdf to winblows |
| 05:18.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a lot of effort |
| 05:18.13 | Legorol | I'd also welcome suggestions on which auto-buffing mods people prefer |
| 05:18.25 | Tekkub | Cork :) |
| 05:18.25 | Legorol | I am familiar with HealersAssist and PallyPower, any others I might consider? |
| 05:18.37 | Legorol | Buffing tends to be horribly bad and I'm tempted to do something abou tit |
| 05:18.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: I don't have any auto-buffing mods, but just Grid and XRS in general are awesome for seeing raid buff status |
| 05:19.02 | NightHawkTheSane | pallypower for pallies, xrs, and a modicum of competence., |
| 05:19.03 | Tekkub | anyone who cannot keep buffs up is pathetic |
| 05:19.04 | AnduinLothar | WotLK should almost fix pally buffing |
| 05:19.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: and yet, I get flak for telling pallies in the raid that. |
| 05:19.19 | AnduinLothar | only wis/kings/might |
| 05:19.34 | AnduinLothar | pally blessings are a nightmare atm |
| 05:19.38 | Tekkub | AL, that *might* fix it! |
| 05:19.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "Unknown script element OnClick" <-- that's a new error, last I checked that was a very valid <Scripts> element :P |
| 05:19.48 | NightHawkTheSane | AnduinLothar: the problem really isn't number of blessings as it is hybrid classes |
| 05:20.28 | Legorol | I do think pali blessings are a nightmare at the moment |
| 05:20.33 | Legorol | not just due to hybrids |
| 05:20.39 | AnduinLothar | right but with no salv or light if you have 3 pallies you can already cover offspecs |
| 05:20.45 | Legorol | It's the fact that you actually have to solve an optimization problem |
| 05:20.56 | Legorol | most people are not good at that sort of thing :) |
| 05:21.05 | NightHawkTheSane | AnduinLothar: yeah, it certainly helps, but in my last guild, we were lucky to have 2 pallies |
| 05:21.13 | Tekkub | gee really? people can't optomize things? |
| 05:21.18 | Tekkub | I'd've never guessed |
| 05:21.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: thats why you find the one guy who is, and have him use pallypower to tell the others what to do ;) |
| 05:21.31 | NightHawkTheSane | with 25 people, someone's gotta be good at it |
| 05:21.45 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: that's assuming the one guy did turn up |
| 05:21.49 | Legorol | when he doesn't, the others are lost |
| 05:22.04 | Legorol | so in fact i prefer for them to take turns/have an almost-equal level discussion among themselves |
| 05:22.22 | Tekkub | the solution here is obvious |
| 05:22.22 | Legorol | hybrids do make it difficult |
| 05:22.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: i'd feel very sorry for 25 people, none of which can solve a basic optomization problem |
| 05:22.27 | Tekkub | you need to be the lead pally |
| 05:22.48 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: unfortunately, the situation is made worse by the following factors: |
| 05:22.58 | Legorol | 1. members of a given class may not agree on what they want |
| 05:23.20 | Legorol | 2. they tend to not even notice, by mage A requesting buffs A+B, then later mage B (not having read raid chat) requesting buffs B+C |
| 05:23.34 | Legorol | 2. people are then generally moronic/impatient about paladins taking their time sorting the stuff |
| 05:23.45 | Tekkub | you have two 2's |
| 05:23.48 | Legorol | 4. palis get confused/forget what their agreement was |
| 05:23.54 | Legorol | Tekkub: that's just to confuse you |
| 05:24.16 | Legorol | 5. trash vs. boss. the minmaxers want different blessings |
| 05:24.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: well. fuck the minmaxers. |
| 05:24.31 | AnduinLothar | ZOMGBuffs can do the optimization for you and handle buffing ooc, but it works better if everyone has it. it doesn't always remember imp buffs unless the whole grps in range. and it doesn't update your buffs in pally power |
| 05:24.35 | Legorol | 6. hybrids (was already mentioned) |
| 05:24.36 | NightHawkTheSane | give everyone boss style blessings and call it good. |
| 05:25.13 | Legorol | 7. this one's good: the "i will buff Kings on all, you guys sort the rest" paladin |
| 05:25.19 | Legorol | i would love to shoot that one |
| 05:25.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh, i hate that guy. |
| 05:25.34 | AnduinLothar | i hate doing salv |
| 05:25.37 | NightHawkTheSane | every guild has one. |
| 05:25.44 | AnduinLothar | THE most bitched botu buff |
| 05:25.59 | AnduinLothar | you have to put it up the second it drops on anyone or they will qq |
| 05:26.10 | AnduinLothar | and oyu have to put it on dps wars but not tanks |
| 05:26.10 | Legorol | AnduinLothar, that's because it's the most vital one for dps on trash, where people are likely to die and be ressed in a short time |
| 05:26.17 | Legorol | that's right |
| 05:26.25 | Legorol | same for boomkins vs. feral tanks |
| 05:26.33 | AnduinLothar | and hunters bitch about having it when they're redirecting |
| 05:26.37 | NightHawkTheSane | its not just that, but it's also useless if you don't need it, potentially taking up a USEFUL buff slot |
| 05:26.48 | Legorol | the nature of threat is that it resets on every mob, which makes salv important for trash |
| 05:26.54 | Legorol | if you want to clear it in a decent time |
| 05:27.28 | Legorol | i'm actually with the dps on this one: have salv up at all times |
| 05:27.55 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, after raiding without any pallies, i'm less convinced at how "necessary" it is for trash. |
| 05:27.56 | Legorol | the thing is, if you are a dps that gets used to how much threat your tank pumps out, you almost don't need Omen and can go by feeling |
| 05:28.00 | Legorol | that's assuming you got salv |
| 05:28.02 | AnduinLothar | sure, but it's a pain in the ass, esp on sunwell trash with so many deaths |
| 05:28.14 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: it's not necessary in the sense that it can't be done without |
| 05:28.17 | NightHawkTheSane | and when you have 4 resto shaman and 1 enh shaman in a raid, the one guy can fucking suck it and accept 10m salv. |
| 05:28.30 | Legorol | sure, 10m is good |
| 05:28.34 | Legorol | just don't forget to rebuff it ;-) |
| 05:28.41 | AnduinLothar | but aving to keep up 10min is a pain |
| 05:28.47 | Legorol | i agree |
| 05:28.55 | AnduinLothar | and people bitch about it in combat.. |
| 05:28.55 | Legorol | I'm not saying having to keep up salv is not a pain, i do think it is. |
| 05:28.59 | AnduinLothar | not even ooc |
| 05:29.00 | NightHawkTheSane | it's still 1 spell every 10m, and not 4 every 10. |
| 05:29.25 | Legorol | I'm just saying that I actually agree with the dps that, since the option is there, it should be on them continuously :) |
| 05:29.34 | AnduinLothar | sure, except you'r also keeping up another 8+ buffs |
| 05:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh |
| 05:29.57 | Legorol | if you can't handle it, get an addon for it ;-) |
| 05:30.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know why WoW would complain about an <OnClick> not being valid at all? |
| 05:30.09 | AnduinLothar | i have an addon for it. and i'm still tired of it |
| 05:30.10 | Legorol | how hard can it be to keep up a single buff on all 25? |
| 05:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Note: the simple existances of <OnClick>, nothing inside it |
| 05:30.25 | Legorol | i generally monitor several buffs on all 25 |
| 05:30.35 | Legorol | simply because the people that are supposed to can't, so i have to yell at them |
| 05:30.36 | Tekkub | ScytheBlade1, your frame type HAVE a OnClick handler? |
| 05:30.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: type = "frame" |
| 05:30.47 | AnduinLothar | you like being yelled at? |
| 05:30.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 05:30.49 | Tekkub | nope, it doesn't |
| 05:30.49 | ScytheBlade1 | .. ha |
| 05:30.59 | Legorol | that's actually the thing that irritates me most about buffs: |
| 05:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | OnMouseUp it is! |
| 05:31.17 | Legorol | if i can notice that X in group 3 is missing fortitude and Y in group 5 is missing intellect, so can the bloody priests and mages |
| 05:31.42 | Legorol | (sorry no offense intended to any priest or mage present) |
| 05:32.13 | Legorol | btw, what is XRS? |
| 05:32.13 | AnduinLothar | anyway. i dont like being yelled at or whined at constantly for buffs. there's no way to do it perfect and it's not easy to do well. |
| 05:32.14 | Tekkub | Lego, I gave Cork to my retard leveling partner because he can't keep me in Mark and Thorns |
| 05:32.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: which is why I have both XRS and Grid to monitor buffs |
| 05:32.19 | Tekkub | he still doesn't |
| 05:32.31 | Tekkub | the other night "How do I make Cork's popup go away?" |
| 05:32.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: XRS lets me make a button labeled "AI" and see who doesn't have it |
| 05:32.42 | Legorol | lol |
| 05:32.43 | kd3 | <3 BigBrother |
| 05:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: I can then make another button labeled "AI", click "Invert", and see who does |
| 05:32.45 | Tekkub | BUFF ME YOU DUMBASS THAT"S THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE ADDON |
| 05:32.45 | Xuerian | rofl |
| 05:32.54 | Tekkub | be in your face until you cast your buffs |
| 05:33.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: then you can filter/limit it to groups or classes on a per-buff basis |
| 05:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Legorol: very small real estate on screen. It's <3 |
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| 05:33.36 | Legorol | what i need is not something that's for me: i can configure arbitrarily complex addons |
| 05:33.45 | Legorol | what i'd need is something i can give to someone and say "use this" |
| 05:33.48 | Tekkub | Lego Cork :P |
| 05:33.56 | ScytheBlade1 | As a raid lead it'd be useful to you |
| 05:34.03 | Tekkub | except it's super Alpha still after like 2 years |
| 05:35.19 | Legorol | Tekkub: I can't find Cork on wowi or wowace |
| 05:35.27 | Tekkub | except it's super Alpha still after like 2 years |
| 05:35.29 | Tekkub | *cough* |
| 05:35.42 | ScytheBlade1 | gah - is concat in lua one . or two? :( |
| 05:35.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lua + PHP is confusing me :/ |
| 05:35.47 | Xuerian | two |
| 05:35.51 | Tekkub | ... |
| 05:35.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lua uses two, PHP uses one |
| 05:36.04 | Legorol | So, coming back to my eralier question: |
| 05:36.07 | Tekkub | php is obviously wrong |
| 05:36.11 | Legorol | anyone has any idea on the MD thing? |
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| 05:36.43 | Xuerian | MD? |
| 05:36.51 | Xuerian | Restate the question, lol |
| 05:36.56 | Tekkub | MD5 |
| 05:37.03 | Legorol | I have seen videos where people get a BigWigs-style raid warning when someone in the raid uses MD |
| 05:37.16 | Legorol | is that an option in BigWigs (if so how do i enable it), if not what AddOn is it? |
| 05:38.10 | Tekkub | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8773-MisdirectionAnnounce.html |
| 05:38.15 | Tekkub | you could adapt that |
| 05:38.49 | Gnarfoz | could also make BigBrother output its one to /rw |
| 05:38.51 | Gnarfoz | or whatever. |
| 05:44.28 | Legorol | thanks Tekkub |
| 05:44.36 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: didn't know BB does that, that's good to know, thanks |
| 05:46.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik will kill me but |
| 05:46.42 | ScytheBlade1 | XML is the win |
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| 05:48.49 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:49.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: I've said this before, but I may have an /actual addon of value/ to upload within the next few days |
| 05:49.06 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Sargeras!n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by Dolby (Dolby) |
| 05:49.08 | Cairenn | ! |
| 05:49.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ kick |
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| 05:49.53 | Sargeras | Dolby wounds me |
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| 05:50.10 | Xuerian | Territorial, dolby? :p |
| 05:50.17 | Dolby | ok maybe I just hang out in photoshop too much but got a god laugh... http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1823766 |
| 05:50.38 | Dolby | god/good |
| 05:52.20 | Sargeras | Get with the times new roman |
| 05:52.20 | Sargeras | rofl |
| 05:53.09 | Tekkub | *cough* so uhm, date() creates a table every call? |
| 05:53.24 | Tekkub | and it's called by the new clock how often? |
| 05:53.27 | Xuerian | rofl |
| 05:53.38 | Legorol | What are the four "standard coloures" for debuffs: magic, poison, disease and curse |
| 05:54.01 | Xuerian | blue green ? purple |
| 05:54.02 | Tekkub | yup, it's returning a table |
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| 05:54.13 | Tekkub | is date a blizzy func on lua's? |
| 05:54.20 | Tekkub | lua> date() |
| 05:54.20 | lua_bot | Tekkub: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'date' (a nil value) |
| 05:54.23 | cogwheel | it's from os.date |
| 05:54.26 | Tekkub | must be blue's |
| 05:54.28 | Lukian | disease is brown |
| 05:54.31 | cogwheel | --> date() |
| 05:54.31 | batbot | cogwheel: @ [string "return date()"]:1: attempt to call global 'date' (a nil value) |
| 05:54.33 | Tekkub | lua> os.date() |
| 05:54.34 | lua_bot | Tekkub: Wed Jul 23 06:54:33 2008 |
| 05:54.39 | Tekkub | lua> os.date("*t") |
| 05:54.39 | lua_bot | Tekkub: table: 0x67f400 |
| 05:54.46 | Tekkub | oh it's how blue's using it |
| 05:54.51 | Tekkub | BAD BLUE |
| 05:54.53 | Tekkub | no cookie |
| 05:55.07 | Thunder_Child | any reason there is a calendar button that doesnt work? |
| 05:55.10 | Dolby | blue the old guy from old school? |
| 05:55.24 | Tekkub | no Bluezzard Entertainment |
| 05:55.32 | Dolby | ah |
| 05:55.35 | Dolby | ;) |
| 05:56.54 | cogwheel | Dolby: that vid was freaking awesome... |
| 05:57.23 | Legorol | i'm with cogwheel |
| 05:57.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, gogo wowwiki docs |
| 05:57.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Fired when the player's leadership changed. |
| 05:57.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Referred to as buggy. |
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| 06:07.13 | abug | yeah that video wins |
| 06:13.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 06:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I get this frame to drag as I want it to and this is feature complete |
| 06:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, and do raid/party assist/leader detection :( |
| 06:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That'll be a pain |
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| 06:14.10 | Tekkub | *cry* I tried, I couldn't do it |
| 06:16.47 | Thunder_Child | hahaha, one of the quest givers is out of reach |
| 06:16.56 | ScytheBlade1 | A frame can :RegisterForDrag(), right? |
| 06:16.57 | Thunder_Child | 50+ people trying to jump to get the quest |
| 06:17.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there anything special I need to do in order to make it drag? (Other than <OnDragStart> etc) |
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| 06:18.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, or I could just create a dragging anchor with another frame |
| 06:18.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I like that idea |
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| 06:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I can leave the raid lead/assist/party detection trickery for later |
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| 06:33.54 | Thunder_Child | wtb options w/o going into wow |
| 06:34.01 | Thunder_Child | options menu* |
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| 06:36.42 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Battle_for_Light%27s_Hope_Chapel |
| 06:40.08 | Tekkub | I can't read that! |
| 06:40.27 | Tekkub | now, if I wasn't expecting to be able to play this within a week, I would be all over it |
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| 06:40.42 | Thunder_Child | kd3, nice |
| 06:41.08 | Thunder_Child | kd3, is ashbringer a person or a sword? |
| 06:41.16 | Tekkub | yes |
| 06:41.20 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 06:41.20 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 06:42.05 | Thunder_Child | well that was a nickname and it's "The Ashbringer" |
| 06:42.28 | Tekkub | he had a brother, "The Beerbringer" |
| 06:43.58 | Thunder_Child | kd3, you just called Alexandros Mograine the father of himself |
| 06:44.28 | kd3 | where? |
| 06:44.37 | Thunder_Child | "Alexandros Mograine, the Ashbringer and Darion's father" |
| 06:45.00 | Thunder_Child | 4th paragraph |
| 06:45.10 | kd3 | darion is alexandros's son |
| 06:45.19 | Thunder_Child | ya, but the ashbringer isnt |
| 06:45.20 | kd3 | alexandros is called "The Ashbringer" |
| 06:45.33 | nevcairiel | I think he wants another , in there :P |
| 06:45.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 06:45.40 | Thunder_Child | oh, i see hwta you did |
| 06:45.42 | Thunder_Child | what* |
| 06:45.49 | Tekkub | anyone know an addon that will automatically set you to guild/party/raid chat mode when you login or join/leave a group? |
| 06:45.53 | NightHawkTheSane | although, i'm not sure that'd be correct, it's kind of an awkward phrasing |
| 06:45.56 | Tekkub | I know I used to have something that did it |
| 06:46.02 | Sargeras | hey kd3, I know you |
| 06:46.05 | kd3 | ya. there's a few sentences I need to reword |
| 06:46.07 | kd3 | heya |
| 06:46.10 | Thunder_Child | it sounds like alexandros's son is both the ashbringer and darion |
| 06:46.12 | Sargeras | <~~ Thordk ;p |
| 06:46.18 | kd3 | lol. heya |
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| 06:46.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Tekkub: you could check out how chatter implements the /gr command? |
| 06:46.44 | Sargeras | small world~!\ |
| 06:46.56 | kd3 | mebbeh |
| 06:47.05 | kd3 | Thunder_Child, reload. how's that look? |
| 06:47.09 | Tekkub | erm no, I want to change the chat mode not actually send chats |
| 06:49.31 | Fisker- | Anyone know if there's any working bag mods for wotlk? |
| 06:49.37 | Fisker- | onebag style plx |
| 06:49.49 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: what 4 |
| 06:49.52 | Gnarfoz | blizz hates EU anyway |
| 06:49.53 | kd3 | doesn't onebag work? |
| 06:49.53 | Guillotine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202535862&sid=1 <-- woot? |
| 06:50.06 | Fisker- | could just be the server |
| 06:50.08 | kd3 | guil; indeed. yay |
| 06:50.11 | Fisker- | my client crashed with them enabled |
| 06:50.13 | Thunder_Child | kd3, ok, many commas though, and i am not an english major |
| 06:50.33 | Thunder_Child | to bad you cant do Alexandros "The Ashbringer" Mograine |
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| 06:53.02 | Fisker- | oh |
| 06:53.06 | Fisker- | i guess it is the server then |
| 06:53.07 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 06:54.11 | Thunder_Child | ya Fisker-, it's all your fault |
| 06:54.22 | Xuerian | Guillotine: That's pretty awesome |
| 06:54.54 | cncfanatics | hello everyone |
| 06:55.07 | Thunder_Child | hello cncfanatics |
| 06:55.09 | cncfanatics | anyone got experience with making msn work through an ssh tunnel ? |
| 06:55.13 | cncfanatics | I got irc to work but msn doesn't want to |
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| 06:56.42 | kd3 | oh hell. nintendo just lost the patent over analog sticks on game controllers |
| 06:57.02 | Tekkub | oh noes |
| 06:57.05 | Tekkub | anarchy! |
| 06:57.14 | cncfanatics | wtb more anarchy |
| 06:57.15 | cncfanatics | damn work |
| 06:57.18 | Tekkub | cncfanatics, bitlbee :) |
| 06:57.27 | cncfanatics | what ? :p |
| 06:57.39 | Tekkub | you got IRC working, all you need now is bitlbee |
| 06:57.44 | cncfanatics | host blocks bitlbee |
| 06:57.48 | cncfanatics | sec, let me tunnel that |
| 06:58.59 | Codayus | cncfanatics: Use sockscap; you can tunnel anything across ssh very easily. (Works well for wow.) |
| 06:59.24 | cncfanatics | well, I can setup the tunnel fine |
| 06:59.31 | cncfanatics | and tell pidgin to connect to it |
| 06:59.32 | cncfanatics | but it seems to refuse my connection |
| 07:00.31 | cncfanatics | told pidgin to connect to localhost |
| 07:00.31 | cncfanatics | and tunneled that to messenger.hotmail.com |
| 07:00.31 | cncfanatics | but it doesn't work :( |
| 07:00.42 | Fisker- | you know what sucks cncfanatics ? |
| 07:00.58 | Fisker- | When you login and get disconnected in wotlk you have to restart the client |
| 07:01.06 | Fisker- | cause the second time it just comes up with a blank screen |
| 07:01.07 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 07:03.44 | cncfanatics | I can't seem to ping messenger.hotmail.com either though |
| 07:03.44 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: mmm |
| 07:03.44 | cncfanatics | giev ma key |
| 07:03.45 | cncfanatics | brb, need to connect |
| 07:04.01 | cncfanatics | need to connect to another irc server |
| 07:04.01 | cncfanatics | this one's too slow |
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| 07:05.43 | Fisker- | you know what's annoying kd3 ? :I |
| 07:05.48 | Fisker- | i only slept 4 hours |
| 07:05.50 | cncfanatics | much better |
| 07:05.52 | Fisker- | and servers are down |
| 07:05.56 | Fisker- | and i can't sleep again ;_; |
| 07:05.59 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: I slept for five |
| 07:06.06 | cncfanatics | now I'm at work \o/ |
| 07:06.26 | Xuerian | Hmm.... |
| 07:06.34 | Xuerian | A mod to show health around points in BGs would be nifty |
| 07:06.47 | Xuerian | average % health around each point.. |
| 07:11.10 | Fisker- | ~kiss cncfanatics |
| 07:11.10 | purl | ACTION forces cncfanatics to give Jerek_Dain a big kiss on the forhead |
| 07:12.41 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: stop it for now |
| 07:12.47 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: trying to get stuff working :p |
| 07:12.55 | Fisker- | i just got an email cncfanatics |
| 07:13.01 | Fisker- | "Angelina Jolie nude video" |
| 07:13.02 | Thunder_Child | ~port Fisker- |
| 07:13.05 | Fisker- | no thanks ;_; |
| 07:13.11 | Fisker- | She's just had babies |
| 07:14.50 | Tekkub | maybe it's a video of her having them! |
| 07:14.55 | Tekkub | "plop plop fizz fizz" |
| 07:15.59 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 07:16.09 | Thunder_Child | ~move Fisker- |
| 07:16.10 | purl | ACTION packs up Fisker-'s stuff and drives it into the ocean. |
| 07:16.10 | Fisker- | how french of you |
| 07:16.24 | cncfanatics | yay for bitlbee |
| 07:16.30 | cncfanatics | and yay for ssh tunnels & pidgin |
| 07:16.38 | Tekkub | told ya bitlbee :) |
| 07:16.49 | Tekkub | IM programs are shit compared to bitlbee |
| 07:16.58 | cncfanatics | can't get the client |
| 07:17.03 | cncfanatics | connecting to bitlbee through pidgin :p |
| 07:17.04 | Tekkub | don't need to |
| 07:17.12 | Tekkub | use their server |
| 07:17.15 | cncfanatics | yea, did |
| 07:17.24 | cncfanatics | tunneled localhost:6666 to im.bitlbee.org:6667 |
| 07:18.19 | Fisker- | get a new job imo |
| 07:18.21 | Fisker- | much easier |
| 07:18.24 | cncfanatics | I'm done in a week |
| 07:18.34 | cncfanatics | its just in july to get some pocket money for a new laptop :p |
| 07:19.32 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202617165&sid=2000 <-haha |
| 07:19.33 | cncfanatics | Tekkub: I love you |
| 07:19.43 | Fisker- | Blizzard should just kick him out of the beta for that |
| 07:20.35 | nevcairiel | srsly |
| 07:20.47 | Tekkub | http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r416/antoinewotlk/strats.jpg |
| 07:20.50 | Tekkub | that's great |
| 07:22.06 | nevcairiel | People like that should be banned from any upcoming betas |
| 07:22.50 | Tekkub | ChatFrame1.editBox:SetAttribute("chatType", "GUILD") |
| 07:22.50 | Tekkub | ChatEdit_UpdateHeader(ChatFrame1.editBox) |
| 07:22.59 | Tekkub | I knew it was a tiny amount of code to do :) |
| 07:23.28 | cncfanatics | huh |
| 07:23.37 | cncfanatics | I can't change my nick on bitlbee :( |
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| 07:24.59 | Fisker- | owned |
| 07:25.07 | Fisker- | ~kiss Kalroth |
| 07:25.08 | purl | ACTION forces Kalroth to give Nargiddley a big kiss on the hand |
| 07:25.27 | Kalroth | *teehee* |
| 07:25.31 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 07:27.03 | cncfanatics | can someone block that command just for Fisker- ? |
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| 07:28.25 | Fisker- | i'd do it manually if i have to |
| 07:30.20 | Thunder_Child | http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox |
| 07:30.46 | Elkano | ~lart Fisker- |
| 07:30.46 | purl | plops Fisker- into a giant vat of herring |
| 07:33.43 | cncfanatics | Tekkub: bitlbee is running :) |
| 07:33.44 | cncfanatics | <3 |
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| 07:38.01 | Fisker- | ~kiss Elkano |
| 07:38.01 | purl | ACTION forces Elkano to give Stanzilla a big kiss on the forhead |
| 07:38.13 | Elkano | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 07:38.14 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give Bibi` a big kiss on the forhead |
| 07:38.25 | Fisker- | hot |
| 07:42.23 | Fisker- | Elkano |
| 07:42.26 | Fisker- | i want to make love to you |
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| 08:07.51 | Antiarc | Is there a 3.0-compatible devtools yet? |
| 08:08.08 | nevcairiel | ~seen Iriel |
| 08:08.13 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 4h 10m 37s ago, saying: 'Tekkub: I'd go with that, or posting a stand-alone request thread showing what you want and what research you've done so far. I tend to have more success with something that shows I at least tried myself 8-)'. |
| 08:08.22 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc, i think so |
| 08:08.22 | nevcairiel | Hm |
| 08:08.33 | Antiarc | Link prz |
| 08:08.43 | Antiarc | Because my 2.4 copy is borked |
| 08:08.44 | Thunder_Child | i only heard him talking about it....let me se |
| 08:08.46 | Thunder_Child | e |
| 08:08.50 | Antiarc | And debugging events is pain without it |
| 08:09.04 | Thunder_Child | because i heard him talking about the this_. xxx fix |
| 08:09.07 | Thunder_Child | or whatever it is |
| 08:09.13 | Thunder_Child | ->* |
| 08:10.28 | Xuerian | Antiarc: What are the big script changes breaking mods like devtools in 3.0, anyway? 0_o... /me goes to the ui forum |
| 08:11.01 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc, try the wotlk section of wowi, wowi is messed up for me atm |
| 08:11.03 | nevcairiel | ~logs |
| 08:11.04 | purl | hmm... logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 08:12.33 | Xuerian | Antiarc: Slash commands I guess? |
| 08:12.42 | Antiarc | also, are there working bugsack or equivalent, and wowlua or equivalent? |
| 08:12.47 | Cairenn | iriel hasn't updated devtools for the expansion yet |
| 08:12.51 | Antiarc | gah |
| 08:12.56 | Antiarc | I have to hack something together then |
| 08:13.20 | Fisker- | how industrious of you Antiarc |
| 08:13.22 | Xuerian | Antiarc: If the listed changes are it, seems like you'll just have to update the slashhandlers |
| 08:13.29 | Cairenn | hang on, I remember a conversation with him about it, I'll let you know what I find |
| 08:13.33 | Thunder_Child | well as soon as my 10mb log files finishes loading i can post what i read |
| 08:13.44 | Thunder_Child | file* |
| 08:14.17 | Cairenn | ahhhh, here we go |
| 08:14.27 | Cairenn | (2008-07-19 17:14:49) Iriel: If anyone wants to fix their DevTools, the problem is that all slash commands now get passed 'self' before the message (the self is the edit box) |
| 08:14.27 | Cairenn | (2008-07-19 17:15:00) Iriel: So you need to change the command handler functions to have that parameter |
| 08:14.36 | Xuerian | Bwaha |
| 08:14.37 | Xuerian | WAS RIGHT |
| 08:14.41 | Xuerian | <-- won the game |
| 08:14.43 | Antiarc | oh, that's easy |
| 08:14.45 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:14.50 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, he has another one where he says the line |
| 08:15.11 | nevcairiel | Antiarc: remember to revert that change on the next beta push, blizzy reverted that change :) |
| 08:15.49 | Antiarc | Oh? |
| 08:15.50 | Cairenn | (2008-07-20 16:31:45) Iriel: It needs a minor change |
| 08:15.50 | Cairenn | (2008-07-20 16:31:50) Iriel: to fix the slash command difference |
| 08:15.50 | Cairenn | (2008-07-20 16:32:07) Iriel: just stick a dummy parameter before 'msg' in the function definitions for the slash command handlers |
| 08:16.29 | Antiarc | There's also a SetTextFontObject -> SetNormalFontObject to be done |
| 08:16.31 | Antiarc | for /dtevents |
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| 08:16.43 | Thunder_Child | DevToolsDump.lua |
| 08:16.43 | Thunder_Child | 23:40.59Â Â Â Â Â Â @Iriel: line 366 |
| 08:16.43 | Thunder_Child | 23:41.01Â Â Â Â Â Â @Iriel: change it to local function DevTools_DumpCommand(self, msg) |
| 08:16.55 | Antiarc | Works now though. |
| 08:16.57 | Antiarc | Yay. |
| 08:17.23 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: heh, beat me too it, I'm working my way through my various logs as well |
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| 08:18.11 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, i only have one that takes WAY to long to load or i would have found it sooner :( |
| 08:18.14 | Cairenn | anyway, yeah, there you go, that should fix you guys up on those ones at least |
| 08:18.17 | Tekkub | actually the said they were gonna reverse those args so as to not break every slash handler out there didn't they |
| 08:18.28 | nevcairiel | Tekkub: yup |
| 08:18.34 | nevcairiel | probably next push |
| 08:18.36 | Cairenn | Tekkub: (2008-07-23 04:15:08) nevcairiel: Antiarc: remember to revert that change on the next beta push, blizzy reverted that change :) |
| 08:18.40 | Thunder_Child | cant they allow both options for a while then change it over time? |
| 08:18.43 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 08:18.54 | Tekkub | they didn't revert... they reversed the args! :) |
| 08:18.59 | nevcairiel | In this case, its not really possible to allow both =P |
| 08:19.01 | Tekkub | s/)/P/ |
| 08:19.23 | Tekkub | anywho, sleep |
| 08:19.28 | nevcairiel | Plus, its beta. Just break stuff now and dont worry about compat |
| 08:19.33 | Thunder_Child | ok nevcairiel, just curious |
| 08:19.54 | nevcairiel | Well they changed the arguments to the slash callback |
| 08:20.02 | nevcairiel | which doesnt really have a way to be "compatible" |
| 08:21.57 | Antiarc | Hooray |
| 08:21.58 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, really? you can allow wow to check for 2 different slash commands? |
| 08:22.00 | Antiarc | My priest transferred |
| 08:22.05 | Thunder_Child | s/can/cant/ |
| 08:22.17 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 08:22.26 | Thunder_Child | new way/old way |
| 08:22.44 | nevcairiel | before the callback function had to look like this --> function (msg) dostuff() end |
| 08:22.54 | nevcairiel | now it has to look like function (self, msg) ... end |
| 08:23.26 | nevcairiel | But they changed it for compat reasons back to function (msg, editBox) |
| 08:23.37 | Thunder_Child | and you can have both in there why? |
| 08:23.37 | nevcairiel | but its not on the servers yet |
| 08:23.39 | Thunder_Child | cant* |
| 08:23.58 | nevcairiel | How is that supposed to work? |
| 08:24.15 | Thunder_Child | it looks for one and if it doesnt find it looks for the other? |
| 08:24.19 | nevcairiel | How should the game figure out in which order to send the parameters? |
| 08:25.19 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i havent bothered to learn lua |
| 08:25.44 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: You've been in here what, a year and a half? Two years? |
| 08:25.49 | Xuerian | Surely you've learned it by osmosis by now |
| 08:25.56 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 08:26.01 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, to a point i suppose |
| 08:26.16 | Thunder_Child | i should have put that in a diff way, cant wow look for either or? |
| 08:26.43 | Xuerian | Arguments are passed in a specific order |
| 08:27.16 | Xuerian | And the callback function doesn't get to say what arguments it receives in what order, it all depends on what the calling function gives it |
| 08:27.25 | Fisker- | lol |
| 08:27.28 | nevcairiel | There is no way to figure out how the function that was specified as the slash handler looks like |
| 08:27.31 | Fisker- | happened gets filtered by the profanity filter |
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| 08:29.54 | Thunder_Child | bah i know enough about programing to know it can be done, i'm just not well versed enough to explain it |
| 08:30.44 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 08:31.04 | Xuerian | That's like saying you know how to have anal sex, but haven't had ENOUGH anal sex to know how you're supposed to have said anal sex. |
| 08:31.13 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Xuerian |
| 08:31.13 | purl | does a little 'dpkg -P Xuerian' action |
| 08:31.15 | Xuerian | except... you can't have anal sex in this case |
| 08:31.22 | Thunder_Child | i can if i want to |
| 08:31.27 | Xuerian | because... you .. have.. no.. anus |
| 08:31.28 | Xuerian | >_> |
| 08:31.48 | Thunder_Child | no no, quite sure i do |
| 08:32.22 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, it's more like i know how to have anal sex, but i dont know it well enough to describe it in detail |
| 08:32.44 | Fisker- | STD's ftw |
| 08:32.51 | Xuerian | play alliance in BGs moar, obviously |
| 08:35.05 | Thunder_Child | lol...the movie starts out with "original music composed by xxxx" while playing an old school song |
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| 08:39.27 | Antiarc | Man |
| 08:39.31 | Antiarc | Beta has been good to our guild |
| 08:39.42 | Antiarc | We have 15 people in beta so far |
| 08:40.01 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 08:40.05 | nevcairiel | we have like one |
| 08:40.33 | Antiarc | Guild: Northigare Jerkaneers |
| 08:40.33 | Antiarc | Guild created 7-21-2008, 25 players, 15 accounts |
| 08:41.02 | nevcairiel | btw, beta servers, regional or global? |
| 08:41.12 | Antiarc | regional, I think :( |
| 08:41.20 | Antiarc | at least I haven't seen any non-english speakers yet |
| 08:42.33 | Fisker- | EU players, US players and KR players are seperate |
| 08:42.38 | Fisker- | but FR, DE, etc. are the same |
| 08:42.47 | nevcairiel | like always |
| 08:43.58 | Fisker- | STOP CRASHING YOU COWARD |
| 08:44.12 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 08:44.17 | Fisker- | greeting into the beta now :o |
| 08:44.43 | Xuerian | nirrrrrg |
| 08:44.56 | Fisker- | i've been up for almost 4 hours now |
| 08:45.06 | Fisker- | and i went to bed 7-8 hours ago |
| 08:45.07 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 08:45.51 | Thunder_Child | Fisker- relax, it will be around for a while longer |
| 08:46.03 | Fisker- | i am relaxed |
| 08:46.14 | Fisker- | be happy i'm not stressed :D |
| 08:46.24 | Thunder_Child | dosent seem like it |
| 08:46.44 | Fisker- | i'm just tired :P |
| 08:46.51 | Fisker- | but i can't sleep :( |
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| 09:42.26 | Fisker- | does anyone know if omnicc works for wotlk btw? |
| 09:42.43 | nevcairiel | try it? |
| 09:43.15 | Fisker- | Connected.............................................................. Disconected from Server. Connected..................................................Error #132 |
| 09:44.19 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: wotlk loves you |
| 09:44.49 | Fisker- | no u |
| 09:44.50 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Fisker-, i has no issues getting in |
| 09:45.24 | Fisker- | you're US |
| 09:45.26 | Fisker- | i'm EU |
| 09:45.35 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't care about EU people, etc |
| 09:45.36 | Fisker- | remember? |
| 09:45.59 | Thunder_Child | ah, i keep forgeting you're EU |
| 09:46.29 | wereHamster | see, no wonder Blizzard doesn't love us, they don't even know we exist! |
| 09:47.22 | Thunder_Child | Thunder_Child != Blizz |
| 09:48.35 | wereHamster | you keep forgetting Fisker- lives in the EU, Blizzard keeps forgetting we exist, coincidence? I don't think so |
| 09:49.22 | Thunder_Child | if i was blizzard there would be many changes, such as banning assholes from wow...though that would cut down on 1/3 of the user base |
| 09:50.12 | Fisker- | i'd take over the world, etc. |
| 09:50.59 | cncfanatics | I'd take over Fisker- |
| 09:51.03 | cncfanatics | and brainwash him |
| 09:51.06 | Fisker- | i see why you would |
| 09:51.07 | cncfanatics | into trolling all day |
| 09:51.09 | cncfanatics | oh wait |
| 09:58.15 | Fisker- | OGM OMG |
| 09:58.22 | Fisker- | i has loading bar without crash |
| 09:58.32 | Cairenn | unpossible! |
| 09:59.20 | bleeter | hax |
| 09:59.44 | bleeter | wereHamster: nm, blizz keep forgetting I exist, too ;) |
| 09:59.53 | Thunder_Child | ~sleep Cairenn |
| 09:59.54 | purl | ACTION sends Cairenn to bed without supper |
| 10:00.26 | Cairenn | need to stay up a bit longer so the site doesn't go too long without someone avail |
| 10:01.09 | Cairenn | too crazy busy to not have it attended |
| 10:01.11 | cncfanatics | lets massivly send Cairenn to bed without supper |
| 10:01.18 | cncfanatics | ~sleep Cairenn |
| 10:01.19 | purl | ACTION sends Cairenn to bed without supper |
| 10:01.23 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 10:03.47 | Fisker- | still loading bar though ;_; |
| 10:04.48 | bleeter | waaaaaaa |
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| 10:09.30 | cncfanatics | sigh , I'm bored |
| 10:09.31 | cncfanatics | once more |
| 10:09.41 | abug | play command and conquer? |
| 10:09.53 | Lukian | Anetheron: Infernals this week? yes/no |
| 10:09.57 | abug | yes |
| 10:10.10 | cncfanatics | abug: I'm at work |
| 10:10.15 | abug | oh heh |
| 10:12.29 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=5101880996&sid=1#12 |
| 10:12.32 | Fisker- | 1-0 trolling there |
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| 10:13.28 | laeg | "Leatherworking drums now give a two minute debuff that does not allow the party members to receive any further drum buffs. " - wotlk :( |
| 10:13.38 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 10:20.23 | Antiarc | yeah |
| 10:20.33 | Antiarc | really reduces the usefulness of them |
| 10:21.10 | Arrowmaster | they were too good though |
| 10:23.42 | Fisker- | seems like stacking bloodlust to me |
| 10:24.47 | Arrowmaster | except bloodlust is on a much longer cooldown |
| 10:25.32 | Fisker- | so? |
| 10:26.34 | Fisker- | just like bloodlust and the drums you're merely putting it to use the place where it makes most sense |
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| 11:11.36 | cncfanatics | WTB one of the new int/spi gems |
| 11:12.23 | foxlit | grr, sweeden. |
| 11:12.52 | foxlit | Those fat pipes might just complete by download before I get to write something clever :( |
| 11:12.56 | foxlit | s/by/my/ |
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| 11:19.41 | Vilkku | Cairenn, are you around? |
| 11:19.53 | Cairenn | Vilkku: I am |
| 11:20.15 | Vilkku | relating to EnhBloodlust, do you mean that if it in any way has an option to send to a public channel it won't be accepted into ROFL? |
| 11:21.15 | Cairenn | Vilkku: if you have it turned off as the default we can allow it |
| 11:21.20 | Vilkku | ah |
| 11:21.32 | Vilkku | I see, thanks :) |
| 11:21.50 | Cairenn | the reason we have that in the rules is because it's a PITA for everyone (users and Blizz) when people send these sorts of things to the global channels |
| 11:21.57 | Vilkku | guess that would be smarter in any case, and it's in need of a 1.5 version anyway |
| 11:22.18 | Cairenn | a lot of users really don't appreciate it, so then Blizz CS gets all kinds of complaints sent in |
| 11:22.49 | Cairenn | not trying to be a bitch, just trying to make sure that anything we're going to give prizes for won't be anything Blizz won't approve of |
| 11:22.58 | Kalroth | People that put automated yells, says or general/trade spam in their addon needs to be neutered |
| 11:23.16 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 11:23.37 | Vilkku | true true, well thanks for clearing that up, I'll have a look at it later, now back to other work - want me to report it again when there's an ok version up? |
| 11:23.54 | Cairenn | send me a PM with a link |
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| 11:24.47 | Cairenn | "reporting" is if there is something *wrong* with it - author reporting mod rip off, user reporting something that breaks any of Blizz's or our rules, etc |
| 11:25.17 | Kalroth | or if you want Cairenns attention in a bad way |
| 11:25.24 | Cairenn | heh |
| 11:25.25 | JoshBorke | oh you know i do |
| 11:25.34 | Cairenn | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 11:25.35 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 11:25.36 | JoshBorke | i've been a bad boy Cairenn ;-) |
| 11:26.06 | Kalroth | have been? so you're a nice boy now? |
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| 11:33.00 | foxlit | Annoyance: I can't force uTorrent to use a specific peer |
| 11:35.28 | wereHamster | foxlit: is there any bt client that you can force? |
| 11:35.42 | foxlit | I sure hope so |
| 11:36.00 | foxlit | This "user is a moron, let's not let him anywhere close to the protocol" is a disease. |
| 11:36.06 | amro | ban all other peers? :P |
| 11:36.39 | foxlit | amro: hah, probably :) |
| 11:36.57 | foxlit | But I can't do that from the interface, either |
| 11:37.36 | JoshBorke | write your own imo |
| 11:38.15 | Fisker- | yay |
| 11:38.23 | foxlit | Sort of what I'm doing to begin with - I want to add a local peer that would use blizzard's HTTP cache |
| 11:40.48 | Fisker- | why not add it directly? |
| 11:40.54 | Fisker- | or just download it through the http cache, etc. |
| 11:44.10 | foxlit | Fisker-: adding it directly is what the fuss is mostly about - I can't force the client I'm running to connect to a specific peer. |
| 11:44.44 | foxlit | I don't want to download the thing entirely through the HTTP cache, either -- that's borderline abuse :) |
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| 11:48.01 | Fisker- | foxlit utorrent supports webseeds just fine as far as i know? |
| 11:48.29 | foxlit | I don't see how :) |
| 11:50.32 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: how ? |
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| 12:10.06 | foxlit | Which raises a question |
| 12:10.34 | foxlit | If I end up with multiple beta keys, do I just pass some of them to other people? :) |
| 12:11.15 | Elkano | iirc, yes |
| 12:12.39 | cncfanatics | foxlit: you're allowed to do that yea |
| 12:12.42 | cncfanatics | don't sell em though :p |
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| 12:25.02 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9556-RaidExcuseGenerator.html amusing |
| 12:25.55 | foxlit | qq about the number of "generated" phrases, though :( |
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| 12:29.36 | wereHamster | WARNING: Raid Excuse Generator may be less effective if you choose to stay online doing dailies or PVPing on the same character. |
| 12:30.07 | Josh_Borke | so many addons are being uploaded to wowi for the beta keys =/ |
| 12:31.05 | foxlit | Josh: I think that one is for the kite :) |
| 12:31.46 | foxlit | The fun part is that 36KB in the 37.9KB zip is taken up by a JPEG screenshot. |
| 12:32.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 13:34.24 | Shirik | damn power going out.... |
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| 13:35.57 | wereHamster | Shirik: a few days ago someone asked how to check from lua if a string is valid C code. The lua-users wiki has a C lexer based on lpeg |
| 13:36.16 | Shirik | LPEG is awesome |
| 13:36.24 | Fisker- | sex leg? |
| 13:37.48 | cncfanatics | Shirik: could you make a script so that everyone that says "sex leg" gets booted ? |
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| 13:37.54 | Shirik | lol |
| 13:38.00 | cncfanatics | plx |
| 13:38.11 | Cide | is that how you greet me Shirik? IS IT? |
| 13:38.21 | Cide | you're dead to me. |
| 13:38.33 | Shirik | ~kill Cide |
| 13:38.34 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse fluxneutron gun at Cide |
| 13:38.44 | Cide | oh no, the flux capacitor is borken! |
| 13:39.17 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning Cide, good morning Shirik. |
| 13:39.42 | malreth | Sue was happier than ever / flying on the trapeze / she never felt so light before / her legs had flown off with the breeze |
| 13:39.52 | Cide | hai |
| 13:43.49 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/WoWScrnShot_072308_064308.jpg |
| 13:43.50 | Antiarc | Heh |
| 13:44.08 | Cide | haha |
| 13:44.10 | Cide | that's great |
| 13:44.21 | Antiarc | I'm pretty sure that's a dig at Cogwheel, but I'm not sure. |
| 13:44.27 | Cide | I'm sure |
| 13:44.32 | Cide | make sure he sees that if he hasn't already |
| 13:44.38 | Antiarc | hehe, okay |
| 13:44.48 | malreth | o_O |
| 13:45.33 | Fisker- | halp Antiarc |
| 13:45.43 | Antiarc | wat |
| 13:45.52 | Fisker- | eu servers down ;_; |
| 13:46.01 | Antiarc | what do you be wanting to know, mon? |
| 13:46.16 | Fisker- | You using onebag or omnicc? |
| 13:46.51 | Antiarc | nope |
| 13:47.20 | bleeter | heh, blizz gave EU access keys out to US folks at the WWI now they can't get in >< |
| 13:47.45 | Shirik | lol |
| 13:47.46 | Beladona | well it was in europe |
| 13:48.12 | Fisker- | must've been hard to put in a region feature |
| 13:48.17 | Fisker- | same for blizzcon btw just vice versa |
| 13:48.20 | bleeter | but which bit of 'worldwide' wasn't ... |
| 13:48.20 | Beladona | have they started sending emails out? |
| 13:48.25 | malreth | lua> time() |
| 13:48.25 | lua_bot | malreth: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'time' (a nil value) |
| 13:48.26 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 13:48.32 | malreth | lua> os.time() |
| 13:48.32 | Beladona | woot |
| 13:48.32 | lua_bot | malreth: 1216820912 |
| 13:48.33 | Fisker- | for EU WWI keys were sent yesterday |
| 13:48.40 | Fisker- | well |
| 13:48.51 | Fisker- | it was late night they sent them :P |
| 13:48.56 | Fisker- | and some appeared during the night |
| 13:51.57 | Shirik | Beladona |
| 13:51.58 | Shirik | ? |
| 13:52.02 | Shirik | oh |
| 13:52.03 | Shirik | nm |
| 13:53.42 | Shirik | Oh wow! I've already been approved to consolodate all of my debt down to a low 1.5% interest rate! |
| 13:53.56 | Shirik | I wonder if I should tell her that all of my outstanding debt is currently at a 0% interest rate |
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| 13:56.57 | malreth | i gots my authenticators yesterday |
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| 13:58.24 | malreth | wowcompares.com doesn't have GlueXML files, does it... |
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| 13:59.11 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. |
| 13:59.17 | Lopeppeppy | Consider me so not pouting anymore. Wow. |
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| 14:00.46 | Shirik | I had a very strange dream last night about lemon meringue pie |
| 14:00.55 | Antiarc | Holy crap! |
| 14:00.56 | Lopeppeppy | Do tell? *laugh* |
| 14:01.01 | malreth | like American Pie strange? |
| 14:01.07 | Shirik | and how I had to sell them at a hot dog shop, but it's too hot there so it kept melting |
| 14:01.09 | Antiarc | This libram gives +61 crit rating for 5 sec after judging |
| 14:01.12 | malreth | you know... the movie where that guy fucks a pie? |
| 14:01.34 | zenzelezz | wait, that's not normal? |
| 14:01.51 | Shirik | and then the lady that worked there got mad at me because I was supposed to work from 10:30 to 4 but I came in at 1 and I had to convince her that I was told to come in at 1 |
| 14:01.59 | Shirik | and then my alarm clock went off |
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| 14:03.18 | Beladona | malreth: I only host FrameXML and AddOns as extracted by the UI kit |
| 14:03.59 | Shirik | no reason to hose GlueXML anyway |
| 14:04.02 | Shirik | host* |
| 14:04.06 | malreth | i guess i gotta find one of those utilities to extract the GlueXML code |
| 14:04.10 | malreth | Shirik: academic reasons |
| 14:04.16 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:04.33 | Beladona | you can't modify it, and none of the GlueXML has any bearing on addons |
| 14:04.40 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik-dear, you're strange. |
| 14:04.43 | Beladona | thats the main reason |
| 14:04.44 | malreth | doesn't mean i don't want to read it |
| 14:04.45 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:05.45 | cladhaire | malreth: Glue from wotlk or live? |
| 14:05.55 | malreth | live, really |
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| 14:06.56 | laeg | do you think most people's UI's you view a screenshot of look shit? |
| 14:07.07 | laeg | *uis |
| 14:07.08 | malreth | i think they look sex like leg |
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| 14:07.13 | laeg | :( |
| 14:07.19 | laeg | i like some but onlu maybe 5% |
| 14:07.22 | laeg | only |
| 14:07.34 | malreth | i like 10% leg |
| 14:07.50 | laeg | :D |
| 14:08.02 | laeg | do you have an alternative for necb? |
| 14:08.05 | cncfanatics | if an UI takes more then 10-15% of my screen its worthless |
| 14:08.15 | cncfanatics | (not counting healing UIs in raid that need grid) |
| 14:08.26 | laeg | cncfanatics: give me a screenshot |
| 14:08.35 | laeg | please do it when your target is casting |
| 14:09.00 | cncfanatics | I'm at work |
| 14:09.04 | malreth | cncfanatics: do it now! chop chop! |
| 14:09.49 | cncfanatics | laeg: what do you mean while my target is casting ? |
| 14:09.55 | cncfanatics | I barely ever target anything |
| 14:11.44 | Cide | focus target casting? |
| 14:12.07 | Cide | if you're a healer and you don't know when the raid boss is casting shit on your tank, that's bad |
| 14:12.30 | Cide | if you're not a healer and you never target anything, that's very bad |
| 14:12.52 | cncfanatics | I'm a healer |
| 14:12.57 | cncfanatics | I focus the boss ofc |
| 14:13.01 | cncfanatics | and have a focus cast bar :p |
| 14:13.04 | cncfanatics | not a target one though |
| 14:14.11 | laeg | kk |
| 14:14.16 | wereHamster | < cncfanatics> I'm at work - that's no excuse! |
| 14:14.28 | laeg | i need to know when pve and pvp targets are casting so i can kick them (in de nutz) |
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| 14:14.59 | Cide | that's more of a justification for playing wow imo |
| 14:15.14 | laeg | ya it's hellafun :) |
| 14:15.21 | cncfanatics | wereHamster: cba getting wow to run |
| 14:15.26 | cncfanatics | I'm here till next week then I'm gone |
| 14:15.44 | amro | any reason why an OnMouseDown script I added to DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME isn't working? /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:GetScript("OnMouseDown")(DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME, "RightButton") works though |
| 14:15.54 | wereHamster | ge, you should always carry wow on an usb stick with you |
| 14:16.26 | malreth | amro did you EnableMouse for that frame? |
| 14:16.26 | cncfanatics | would still ahve to setup tunnels & stuff wereHamster |
| 14:16.36 | cncfanatics | nothing here gets out except http on port 80 aan ssh/ssl on port 443 |
| 14:16.55 | wereHamster | oh, evil employer |
| 14:17.04 | amro | malreth: yep |
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| 14:19.00 | TecnoBrat | pb_ee1, whats up? |
| 14:19.11 | pb_ee1 | Hey :) |
| 14:19.23 | TecnoBrat | not an admin, but I can track someone down :) |
| 14:19.27 | malreth | maybe there's a subframe that is intercepting the mouse events? i dunno.. i haven't looked at the chat frame stuff in oh so long |
| 14:19.29 | pb_ee1 | Okay that's fine ;) |
| 14:19.44 | malreth | apparently, you can take screenshots at the character select screen |
| 14:19.48 | pb_ee1 | Actually I signed up for the beta keys giveaway but with the wrong email adress xD |
| 14:20.08 | pb_ee1 | I suppose it's just a simple field to change in the Wowinterface database |
| 14:20.18 | amro | malreth: i know its doing /something/, because now I can't click-to-move through the ChatFrame |
| 14:20.58 | wereHamster | amro: use DevTools to check which frame really is under your mouse when you move it over the chatframe |
| 14:21.26 | amro | ChatFrame1 |
| 14:21.44 | amro | im setting this on all ChatFrames |
| 14:21.50 | pb_ee1 | So I wanted to know if it was possible to change that TecnoBrat :p |
| 14:21.59 | TecnoBrat | pb_ee1, did you sent her a PM? |
| 14:22.01 | TecnoBrat | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?u=6 |
| 14:22.10 | TecnoBrat | click the "Send a private message to Cairenn" |
| 14:22.22 | Shirik | or you could just ask me |
| 14:22.27 | pb_ee1 | lol |
| 14:22.31 | TecnoBrat | or Shirik! |
| 14:22.37 | pb_ee1 | Hey Shirik ;) |
| 14:22.51 | cogwheel | there needs to be a kekcats.com that's all about funny cat screenshots from wow! |
| 14:22.59 | pb_ee1 | Actually I don't really like to bore the admins :p or at least, as less as possible |
| 14:23.00 | cogwheel | or not |
| 14:23.18 | Shirik | what's the correct email address? |
| 14:23.24 | wereHamster | amro: do you know where the chatframe OnMouseDown handler is set? |
| 14:23.54 | malreth | cogwheel: i found a picture of you the other day. you look so adorable. |
| 14:24.01 | Shirik | If I were sleeping, I would have |zZz on the end of my name |
| 14:24.01 | amro | wereHamster: yeah, in my script |
| 14:24.15 | TecnoBrat | :) |
| 14:24.46 | wereHamster | amro: ah. I thought the chatframes had a default onmousedown handler |
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| 14:25.26 | malreth | cogwheel: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/2439745/Guinea-pig-festival-in-Peru.html |
| 14:25.26 | pb_ee1 | Thanks for your help TecnoBrat and Shirik (and Kirk too) |
| 14:25.36 | malreth | cogwheel: look at you in your wee little suit! |
| 14:25.42 | cogwheel | does /me dare click? |
| 14:25.54 | Shirik | lol............. |
| 14:25.58 | amro | wereHamster: I suspected the text might be intercepting clicks for itemlinks and such, but with ChatFrame1:MouseEnabled(false) I can click stuff behind the chatframe |
| 14:25.58 | Shirik | ok guys, word of advice |
| 14:26.23 | Shirik | if you're going to try to scam us for a beta key, don't use an extremely popular addon that everyone knows the author of and try to call it your own |
| 14:26.35 | malreth | ooh.. gossip! |
| 14:26.38 | TecnoBrat | Shirik, rofl |
| 14:26.40 | malreth | do tell who's cheating! |
| 14:26.41 | wereHamster | which addon was that shirik? |
| 14:26.46 | malreth | so we can flog them |
| 14:26.48 | Shirik | I'll say nothing :) |
| 14:26.50 | TecnoBrat | I don't care who ... I wanna know the addon! |
| 14:27.13 | wereHamster | yeah, don't tell who, just which addon |
| 14:27.17 | cncfanatics | Shirik: is anyone stupid enough to do that ? |
| 14:27.28 | malreth | extremely popular... |
| 14:27.30 | malreth | Omen! |
| 14:27.33 | TecnoBrat | the addon will tell us how funny its supposed to be |
| 14:27.38 | Fisker- | "Omen - By Kenco" |
| 14:27.39 | Fisker- | :D |
| 14:27.47 | Shirik | Minimap Button Frame |
| 14:27.53 | malreth | oh... |
| 14:28.00 | malreth | boring |
| 14:28.03 | Shirik | it wasn't uber popular |
| 14:28.06 | Shirik | but I definitely recognize it |
| 14:28.14 | TecnoBrat | haha |
| 14:28.21 | TecnoBrat | and not like its hard to check |
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| 14:28.48 | malreth | especially when it says, "Copyright Someone Else" right in the Lua |
| 14:28.50 | malreth | :p |
| 14:29.05 | Fisker- | omen by kenco would've been better |
| 14:30.29 | Shirik | TecnoBrat: There are a lot of people trying to work their way around our checks :) |
| 14:30.45 | TecnoBrat | Shirik, ugh |
| 14:30.58 | Shirik | So far, my personal favorite is http://images.gammatester.com/pics/29debd6ef92ca3c4bea5005ee9c4c6b6.jpg |
| 14:30.58 | Fisker- | well you haven't caught me yet Shirik |
| 14:31.01 | TecnoBrat | well I'll be happy when you guys get people in .. will be nice to have some beta addons :) |
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| 14:31.23 | nevcairiel | You could donate your account |
| 14:31.41 | Fisker- | What's the point in that? |
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| 14:34.35 | amro | lol Shirik |
| 14:34.44 | laeg | any alternative to necb? when someone uses an ap trinket which gives them heroism it thinks the cooldown is 10 minutes when it's only 1.5 minutes |
| 14:35.21 | Lukian_ | lol blizzard didn't rename that buff yet? |
| 14:35.47 | cncfanatics | Shirik: how do you notice that ? |
| 14:35.49 | cncfanatics | I never would |
| 14:35.50 | laeg | there are other problems also |
| 14:36.05 | laeg | i don't want to see castbars and cooldowns for everyone close to me |
| 14:36.08 | laeg | just my target |
| 14:36.29 | laeg | i also don't want my cooldowns and casts in the same places as my targets etc etc and there are no options for this stuff |
| 14:36.43 | cncfanatics | laeg: btw, do you recommend a good focus castbar addon ? |
| 14:37.12 | cncfanatics | going home, cya all |
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| 14:44.51 | Fisker- | i'm dying ;_; |
| 14:45.02 | cog|away | Antiarc: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/Sprockets%20vs.%20Cogs.jpg ;} |
| 14:45.16 | Antiarc | heheh |
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| 14:45.31 | Antiarc | Isn't Sholazar pretty? |
| 14:45.37 | cog|away | aye |
| 14:45.45 | cog|away | bbl... already late for work |
| 14:45.53 | Fisker- | argh cog|away |
| 14:46.03 | Fisker- | you must work moar |
| 14:46.05 | Diskmaster | cog: pfffffhahaha |
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| 15:02.51 | Tenchworks | cog|away: you it just occured to me that that is a reference to the Jetsons |
| 15:04.01 | Tenchworks | spacely's sprockets and cogweels cogs |
| 15:04.08 | Tenchworks | hehe |
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| 15:07.44 | kamdis | antiarc, you're famous! ;-) |
| 15:07.56 | Antiarc | what, penny arcade? |
| 15:08.02 | kamdis | aye |
| 15:08.05 | Antiarc | heheh |
| 15:08.11 | kamdis | That was awesome. |
| 15:08.17 | |Jelly| | Kamdis! |
| 15:08.25 | kamdis | |Jelly|! <3 |
| 15:08.36 | |Jelly| | I got a guitar pick from one of my favorite bands last night! :) |
| 15:08.44 | kamdis | oh nice |
| 15:09.36 | |Jelly| | yup. I was excited |
| 15:11.47 | malreth | "I'm winning on threat! I'm winning on threat!" |
| 15:12.03 | |Jelly| | roflamo |
| 15:12.10 | |Jelly| | = rogues in my [any] guild |
| 15:12.46 | malreth | we have a lock that skirts right below 100% of the tank's threat |
| 15:14.03 | Cide | why 100%? |
| 15:14.05 | alestane | So is he actually using Omen then? |
| 15:14.06 | Cide | go 130% |
| 15:14.42 | malreth | woo! |
| 15:15.05 | malreth | it's all fun and games until you get to Prince Malchezaar |
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| 15:19.08 | cog|away | Tenchworks: ;) |
| 15:20.02 | Tenchworks | ^_^ |
| 15:21.16 | Cide | "If it becomes substantially more difficult (or expensive) to maintain peoples' user interfaces, it is quite possible that this magnitude of change will completely halt raiding progress for many of the second-string guilds for several weeks." |
| 15:21.32 | Cide | never seen so much rofl in a single sentence in my whole life |
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| 15:21.53 | malreth | my reply: Boo fucking hoo! |
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| 15:22.22 | malreth | where was that posted, Cide? |
| 15:22.32 | Cide | wowace's plans for the future thread |
| 15:22.35 | malreth | lemme guess... yeah |
| 15:22.42 | kamdis | hahaha |
| 15:22.51 | kamdis | they are going to blame wowace for halting their raiding progress? |
| 15:22.54 | Cide | it will completely halt raiding progress guys! |
| 15:23.01 | kamdis | They shouldn't be raiding int he first place then, imo. |
| 15:23.04 | Cide | THE SKY IS INDEED FALLING |
| 15:23.20 | Cide | I can't get my mod fix, so I won't press 4 for sinister strike |
| 15:23.21 | malreth | Damn that Kael guy for selling out to Curse! |
| 15:23.21 | Cide | qq |
| 15:23.35 | kamdis | I've raided without mods. |
| 15:23.38 | kamdis | it's not THAT hard. |
| 15:23.42 | Cide | I've raided without wowace |
| 15:23.46 | Tenchworks | how is change that deos us all good seen as the end of the world to those poeple? |
| 15:23.47 | Cide | it was HARD, trust me! |
| 15:23.51 | kamdis | indeed, for a long time |
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| 15:24.46 | Tenchworks | o.O? |
| 15:24.59 | Cide | anyway |
| 15:25.04 | Tenchworks | Cogwheel: what was the inspiration for youname? |
| 15:25.06 | malreth | Tenchworks: because most people are whiny assbubbles that only care about themselves and have no perspective on the world because they spend more time jacking off than dealing with real life shit |
| 15:25.11 | Cide | I'm not happy with the way kaelten is going with the curse updater |
| 15:25.12 | Tenchworks | *yourname |
| 15:25.21 | cogwheel | *your name :P |
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| 15:26.00 | cogwheel | It was a reroll of my first warrior after some guild drama and i decided to go with a more Gnomish sounding name |
| 15:27.10 | Tenchworks | hehe |
| 15:27.33 | Tenchworks | dunno why but I'm really in the mood for old cartoons |
| 15:27.44 | Tenchworks | and Jetson's is at the top of the list |
| 15:27.52 | AckisWork | GI Joe > Jetson |
| 15:27.53 | AckisWork | s |
| 15:28.07 | Fisker- | you said you were going to work :( |
| 15:28.11 | Tenchworks | never liked GI Joe too much |
| 15:28.12 | Fisker- | you cheated me |
| 15:28.31 | AckisWork | I am at work |
| 15:28.34 | Tenchworks | just didn't appeal to me |
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| 15:35.52 | cogwheel | Antiarc: did you ever find a FP in that zone? |
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| 15:36.12 | Antiarc | Yeah, in the middle, at the Argent Stand. Doesn't connect anywhere though. |
| 15:36.18 | cogwheel | poo |
| 15:36.44 | Beladona | imho moving wowace to curseforge is a bad idea |
| 15:37.00 | Beladona | but thats a personal preference I guess |
| 15:37.19 | Beladona | I tried using curseforge, and it made me want to punch something |
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| 15:42.48 | TecnoBrat | Cide, I just scrolled up .. and now I can't stop laughing |
| 15:42.54 | TecnoBrat | regarding raid progress and wowace |
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| 15:43.28 | kamdis | Antiarc: Chatter recognizes SharedMedia fonts, etc, doesn't it? |
| 15:43.33 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 15:43.38 | kamdis | k |
| 15:43.48 | kamdis | PEBKAC then ;-) |
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| 15:47.07 | cogwheel | had to get rid of my random mount macro since i had to pick a single one for my riding crop :( |
| 15:47.09 | malreth | lua> nil ~= "clinton" |
| 15:47.09 | lua_bot | malreth: true |
| 15:47.56 | Wikwocket | It's confirmed the crops will become mount enchants in wotlk? |
| 15:48.23 | alestane | Like, to a particular mount? |
| 15:49.17 | TecnoBrat | Wikwocket, confirmed as in, you get mail as soon as you enter the beta replacing your riding crop / carrot / whatever, yes :) |
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| 15:49.53 | cogwheel | hah... last thing i saw in chat before the world server went down: "How long is this beta gonna last?" |
| 15:50.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:50.10 | selckin | wtb key, paying notting |
| 15:50.12 | selckin | :( |
| 15:50.30 | Wikwocket | Hrm I hope there is a cheaper-to-make riding crop version then |
| 15:50.30 | nevcairiel | patchy time for beta? or just some downtime? |
| 15:50.39 | alestane | It's up. |
| 15:50.45 | Wikwocket | 1 Eternal Might (or whatever) per mount, ouch |
| 15:50.50 | alestane | My guess is Northrend crashed. |
| 15:50.55 | cogwheel | northrend crashed |
| 15:50.58 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 15:50.59 | selckin | Wikwocket: unless a faster crop is released, by the time your lvl 80 those will be cheap |
| 15:51.09 | selckin | oh |
| 15:52.37 | Wikwocket | I don't know, at level 80 who will be farming primals? |
| 15:53.02 | Wikwocket | For example arcanite bars cost as much/more now than at 60 |
| 15:53.16 | Wikwocket | But I'm sure there will be a new version, a 12% speed increase or something |
| 15:53.24 | alestane | Only funny because they don't even have a cooldown anymore. |
| 15:54.02 | Fisker- | YAY cogwheel |
| 15:54.04 | Fisker- | onebag works :o |
| 15:54.24 | TecnoBrat | oh, and the mail you get it absolutely amazing |
| 15:54.30 | TecnoBrat | when you join the beta |
| 15:54.40 | TecnoBrat | Fisker-, in wrath? |
| 15:54.51 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 15:55.05 | kamdis | Fisker- I love you. I've been dying without a bag mod. |
| 15:55.10 | Wikwocket | The email, or ingame mail? |
| 15:55.27 | TecnoBrat | ingame mail |
| 15:55.52 | cogwheel | Fisker-: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202536552&sid=2000 |
| 15:56.00 | cogwheel | or is this a new advancement? |
| 15:57.06 | nevcairiel | Probably has the same problems |
| 15:57.35 | nevcairiel | I'll probably spend a weekend fixing all addons i really _need_ :p |
| 15:57.55 | Fisker- | LOLOLOL |
| 15:58.01 | Fisker- | i totally love the new paladin judgements |
| 15:58.05 | Fisker- | just kited a level 70 elite |
| 15:58.14 | TecnoBrat | Fisker-, they are so broken for me |
| 15:58.49 | Fisker- | noes |
| 15:58.52 | Fisker- | i have to kill 4 elites |
| 15:59.03 | Fisker- | TecnoBrat holy = win |
| 15:59.09 | TecnoBrat | oh I know |
| 15:59.10 | Fisker- | 30 yards range on judgements :D |
| 15:59.19 | TecnoBrat | its broken badly, sec, lemme find the pic |
| 16:00.09 | Fisker- | nooo |
| 16:00.12 | Fisker- | can't right click in onebag |
| 16:00.12 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 16:00.13 | TecnoBrat | http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7824/wowscrnshot072208224002yq0.jpg |
| 16:00.34 | TecnoBrat | so I hit SoR, Judge "Justice" |
| 16:00.45 | TecnoBrat | and then every time SoR procs, I get a free judge |
| 16:01.12 | nevcairiel | file a /bug |
| 16:01.19 | TecnoBrat | Already did, lol |
| 16:01.31 | TecnoBrat | it makes killing things so easy its not even funny |
| 16:02.21 | Fisker- | http://i38.tinypic.com/2d27tc6.jpg <-:D |
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| 16:04.05 | TecnoBrat | Not to mention there is now 3 different "Judgement" spells, all of which I think do the same thing, lol |
| 16:05.16 | Fisker- | i think that is intended |
| 16:05.20 | Fisker- | and they don't do the same thing |
| 16:05.38 | TecnoBrat | I didn't really play with them much |
| 16:05.40 | Wikwocket | Do you need to make a judgement call to select one? |
| 16:05.43 | Fisker- | one applies judgement of light, other wisdom, the third justice |
| 16:05.55 | Fisker- | Wikwocket depends what you want to achieve |
| 16:06.02 | TecnoBrat | But you can use any of them to "Judge" SoR |
| 16:06.06 | Fisker- | yes |
| 16:06.12 | Fisker- | i think they're going to work with that |
| 16:06.14 | TecnoBrat | so I guess I'm just confused to what the diff really is |
| 16:06.20 | Fisker- | so you don't have to judge Seal of Light first for example |
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| 16:06.41 | TecnoBrat | why they changed from the single judge |
| 16:07.09 | TecnoBrat | if you use JoL with SoR, do you get the JoL debuff on the mob? |
| 16:07.35 | Fisker- | yes |
| 16:07.55 | TecnoBrat | ahh so the idea is so you don't have to use the Seal first to get a JoL debuff |
| 16:08.04 | alestane | If you use JoL with SoW, do you get the Light debuff? |
| 16:08.06 | Fisker- | i think so |
| 16:08.16 | digmouse | i see 2 auras activated at the same time... |
| 16:08.24 | Fisker- | alestane well they'll probably get removed alestane |
| 16:08.27 | Fisker- | but i can check |
| 16:08.30 | TecnoBrat | still doesn't really explain why every one of my hits was causing a 800 dmg JoJ proc, lol |
| 16:08.56 | Fisker- | nope |
| 16:08.59 | Fisker- | it doesn't get applied at all |
| 16:09.08 | Fisker- | seal of light just works as a seal and can't get judget |
| 16:09.10 | Fisker- | judged* |
| 16:09.23 | TecnoBrat | ahhhh |
| 16:09.37 | TecnoBrat | so really its just for SoR / SoC |
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| 16:09.42 | alestane | So to judge, you have to be using SoR? |
| 16:09.59 | TecnoBrat | you get the SoR judge effect + the Judge Spell Effect (depending on which you chose) |
| 16:10.01 | alestane | I'm going to have to play with this. |
| 16:10.08 | alestane | So you also get the damage? |
| 16:10.11 | TecnoBrat | yes |
| 16:10.16 | TecnoBrat | http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7824/wowscrnshot072208224002yq0.jpg |
| 16:10.32 | TecnoBrat | and the mob DID have a JoJ debuff, I do remember that |
| 16:14.43 | TecnoBrat | oh and seals aren't being consumed either by the judgment |
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| 16:36.19 | [1]aBYss | hey everyone |
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| 16:37.49 | cogwheel | o...k... |
| 16:38.22 | amro | got his greetings and farewells confused |
| 16:38.57 | Wikwocket | He did just join, maybe he thought we were all on siesta |
| 16:41.59 | Kirov | So, aparently one of the tutorial examples in the WoW programing book is wrong. |
| 16:42.13 | malreth | One? |
| 16:42.29 | Seerah | post it on the website |
| 16:42.41 | Seerah | if it's not there already |
| 16:43.18 | Kirov | in the forum someplace? |
| 16:43.31 | Kirov | I don't actually know what page it is, as I don't have the book myself. |
| 16:43.35 | Kirov | more just http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202576563&postId=82015909329&sid=1 |
| 16:44.31 | selckin | Do drums gives a debuff in current beta? |
| 16:53.01 | Fisker- | how do you get to dalaran btw cogwheel ? |
| 16:53.09 | cogwheel | no idear |
| 16:53.15 | cogwheel | was asking the same last night :P |
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| 16:54.59 | Wikwocket | Practice practice practice |
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| 17:00.42 | alestane | Go north out of Dragonblight. |
| 17:01.39 | Dashkal | erm. Is it just me or does the loyality pet talent appear to negate the need to feed your pet? |
| 17:01.58 | Wikwocket | I wondered about that as well |
| 17:02.25 | Wikwocket | Maybe meant for a wipe night pet or something |
| 17:02.41 | Dashkal | The bag space savings there make the talent worth it for me |
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| 17:39.58 | |Jelly| | ~hug Shirik |
| 17:39.59 | purl | ACTION hugs Shirik tightly until Shirik turns slightly blue |
| 17:40.02 | Shirik | is it... wrong to be eating at chick-fil-a and using the wireless from the next-door panera bread? |
| 17:40.16 | |Jelly| | not at all |
| 17:40.35 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 17:40.59 | Shirik | oh Drundia has an addon |
| 17:41.04 | Shirik | DENIED |
| 17:41.22 | Shirik | :) |
| 17:43.17 | NightHawkAtWork | Shirik is the mod nazi. |
| 17:43.31 | Shirik | NO MOD FOR U |
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| 17:43.52 | amro | im tempted to do a search & replace on WoWInterface UI Manager and upload it |
| 17:44.26 | Shirik | Drundia: I'm actually geniunely curious about what this addon does |
| 17:44.31 | Shirik | the code looks... odd to me :P |
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| 17:44.40 | Lunessa | station. |
| 17:45.53 | Shirik | no station |
| 17:48.16 | TecnoBrat | Shirik <The Mod Nazi> |
| 17:48.24 | Drundia | Shirik, it sorts out evil lag :) |
| 17:48.27 | |Jelly| | shirik: I can has beta key? <3 |
| 17:48.44 | Shirik | Drundia: I'm just curious why your OnUpdate does "if shown then hide then show" |
| 17:48.51 | Drundia | well |
| 17:48.54 | Drundia | after setting height |
| 17:49.00 | Drundia | it won't update until this operation |
| 17:49.06 | Drundia | that's why lag disappears |
| 17:49.25 | Drundia | but i need that operation to force update so new messages actually appear |
| 17:51.11 | Shirik | I see Drundia |
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| 17:53.04 | Slakah | can wow display .png's |
| 17:53.18 | Shirik | tga and blp |
| 17:53.25 | Slakah | Thanks |
| 17:53.50 | Fisker- | can wow display .jpg's? |
| 17:54.03 | Shirik | ~kill Fisker- |
| 17:54.04 | purl | ACTION shoots a excited quark gun at Fisker- |
| 17:54.22 | Fisker- | i do not understand! |
| 17:54.25 | Fisker- | ~kiss Shirik |
| 17:54.25 | purl | ACTION forces Shirik to give Vilkku a big kiss on the ear |
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| 17:54.46 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:54.53 | Shirik | ~literal kiss |
| 17:54.54 | purl | "kiss" is "<action> forces $1 to give $randnick a big kiss on the (lips|neck|hand|forehead|ear)" |
| 17:55.36 | Fisker- | cogwheel ! |
| 17:55.37 | Fisker- | my friend |
| 17:55.46 | cogwheel | that's what she said |
| 17:58.18 | Lunessa | ... ? |
| 17:58.26 | Shirik | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 17:58.27 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give CroX a big kiss on the neck |
| 17:58.47 | Fisker- | ~kiss cogwheel |
| 17:58.48 | purl | ACTION forces cogwheel to give Fatalis a big kiss on the neck |
| 17:59.09 | DARKGuy | ~kiss Shirik |
| 17:59.10 | purl | ACTION forces Shirik to give Shirik a big kiss on the neck |
| 17:59.15 | DARKGuy | o.O |
| 17:59.17 | Shirik | o.O |
| 17:59.26 | kamdis | haha |
| 17:59.33 | kamdis | is that even physically possible? |
| 17:59.45 | DARKGuy | if purl says so, then it is |
| 17:59.55 | Drundia | depends on your bones |
| 17:59.56 | kamdis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.57 | DARKGuy | I tried and failed :p |
| 18:00.17 | DARKGuy | you could bend your head down..... |
| 18:00.19 | DARKGuy | just..... |
| 18:00.20 | kamdis | someone on beta forums said that Benediction shouldn't not earn an achievement or title because peopel with it just "got a lucky drop" |
| 18:00.20 | DARKGuy | a... |
| 18:00.21 | kamdis | :( |
| 18:00.22 | DARKGuy | little.... |
| 18:00.25 | DARKGuy | *CRACK* |
| 18:00.25 | cogwheel | SNAP! |
| 18:00.29 | cogwheel | POP |
| 18:00.29 | kamdis | *should not |
| 18:00.31 | DARKGuy | THERE |
| 18:00.32 | DARKGuy | :D |
| 18:01.00 | Cide | cogwheel: that's like, a'(t) ! |
| 18:01.09 | Cide | or da/dt rather |
| 18:01.57 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/7/21/ |
| 18:04.16 | Fisker- | ~kiss DARKGuy |
| 18:04.17 | purl | ACTION forces DARKGuy to give Shadowed a big kiss on the lips |
| 18:04.25 | DARKGuy | AHH |
| 18:04.39 | kamdis | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 18:04.39 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give [Liquidor] a big kiss on the hand |
| 18:04.56 | Fisker- | ~kiss kamdis |
| 18:04.57 | purl | ACTION forces kamdis to give Tain a big kiss on the lips |
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| 18:07.02 | Lunessa | So, does this mean I can expect to see Purl in a "Kissing Booth" somewhere? |
| 18:07.05 | |Jelly| | So I just got the Sporeggar shield and put a spike on it. It's first victim was a rogue trying to gank me who died from the dot while I was blinded. Win. |
| 18:07.20 | NightHawkAtWork | |Jelly|: nice |
| 18:07.46 | malreth | i love it when you passively kill someone |
| 18:07.54 | Lunessa | hot. |
| 18:08.09 | |Jelly| | I love when I end up killing someone who I left alone and went on my business ... and they came to try to kill me. Assholes. |
| 18:08.15 | malreth | some rogue jumped me last night... got me to within 200 hp of dying and then killed himself on my Molten Shield |
| 18:08.46 | |Jelly| | hehe |
| 18:09.31 | Lunessa | teh pvp don't liek meez. |
| 18:09.38 | malreth | i was wondering how embarrassing that must have been for him |
| 18:10.39 | Lunessa | It's like dying to the first boss in mana tombs because you're too dumb to quit hitting him. |
| 18:11.08 | Kirov | I wand. |
| 18:11.36 | |Jelly| | I let people kill themselves. |
| 18:11.39 | malreth | "What's a tomb?" "Seymour, did that kid just ask, 'What's a tomb?'" "No, he asked, 'What's that boom?' We have bombs going off all the time." |
| 18:17.46 | Lunessa | *sigh* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202387054&sid=1 |
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| 18:23.08 | malreth | HOW I DELET MAH GILD???!!! |
| 18:24.22 | foxlit | /gdatate! |
| 18:24.46 | foxlit | hm, killed ordinary stateheaders |
| 18:24.59 | amro|afk | Estimated charges $382.32 *gulp* |
| 18:25.32 | cogwheel | amro|afk: ? |
| 18:25.40 | amro|afk | international shipping |
| 18:26.07 | malreth | man... can't they ship those authenticators for less than that? |
| 18:26.38 | Shirik | Lunessa: But I used to... |
| 18:26.43 | Lukian | amro|afk, lmao where to? |
| 18:26.44 | Shirik | ur wrong |
| 18:26.57 | amro|afk | Lukian: algeria |
| 18:27.07 | Lunessa | Shirik: I know, but then they told you about the sores at the clinic and you've stopped. |
| 18:27.24 | Shirik | >< |
| 18:27.29 | malreth | lol |
| 18:27.40 | malreth | purl, lol |
| 18:27.41 | purl | methinks lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 18:27.50 | malreth | oh... |
| 18:27.51 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202467505&sid=1 |
| 18:27.53 | Shirik | wow... |
| 18:27.54 | malreth | ~fail |
| 18:27.55 | purl | Sorry, malreth, you have failed. |
| 18:29.22 | amro|afk | Shirik: wow should have a /cancelaccount command to suggest for him |
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| 18:32.45 | Dashkal | mmm, epic fail posts |
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| 18:33.42 | Lunessa | malreth used "as an exercise for the reader" in a post. I'm so proud of him. They grow up so quickly... |
| 18:34.01 | malreth | i use that (well, used to) quite often, actually |
| 18:35.33 | Lunessa | Me too, but I'm a sarcastic bastard (just ask anyone who knows me) and I had to take a jab. :P |
| 18:35.52 | malreth | Lunessa? |
| 18:35.59 | Lunessa | :P |
| 18:36.03 | malreth | Are you a sarcastic bastard? |
| 18:36.10 | Lunessa | Totally. |
| 18:36.17 | malreth | I DIDNT NO!!! |
| 18:36.27 | Lunessa | Though really, my parents were married, so technically... |
| 18:36.31 | Industrial | Antiarc: ping |
| 18:38.13 | malreth | ZOMG AddOns Gone Crazy? |
| 18:38.21 | Shirik | YOUR FACE GONE CRAZY |
| 18:38.46 | malreth | purl, go crazy? |
| 18:38.47 | purl | Don't mind if I do! |
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| 18:40.39 | malreth | the deadline for the contest is my wedding night |
| 18:40.50 | malreth | "Not now, honey... I'm CODING!" |
| 18:42.00 | Industrial | I'd strap you to the bed tbh, malreth |
| 18:42.06 | Xuerian | o_o |
| 18:42.07 | Thunder_Child | "These games [RTS] have become faster-paced and more streamlined, with better control layouts, prettier graphics, and in the case of EALA's upcoming sequel, they have scout dogs and parachuting bears." |
| 18:42.15 | malreth | ~yaoi me and Industrial |
| 18:42.16 | purl | ACTION acts all interested in me and Industrial but really it's just a whole bunch of angst with no naked payoff in the end. Figures. |
| 18:42.21 | Industrial | rofl |
| 18:42.22 | Xuerian | Thoughts I didn't need, thoughts I didn't need, thoughts I didn't need |
| 18:42.22 | malreth | ~fail |
| 18:42.23 | purl | Sorry, malreth, you have failed. |
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| 18:44.11 | Industrial | malreth: hmm funny |
| 18:44.17 | Industrial | angst literally means fear in dutch |
| 18:44.40 | malreth | ~x de en angst |
| 18:45.03 | Industrial | ~x nl en angst |
| 18:45.28 | malreth | translated from fangurl to english, it means, "ZOMG BISHI BISHI BISHI!!! *glomp* *get wet*" |
| 18:45.45 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:45.58 | malreth | fangurls is scary |
| 18:46.44 | amro|afk | Fuel surcharge: 32.50% |
| 18:46.46 | amro|afk | >< |
| 18:46.50 | malreth | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fangirl |
| 18:47.10 | Industrial | -_^ |
| 18:47.15 | Thunder_Child | cool, space seige should be out in 3 weeks |
| 18:48.01 | Shirik | Fangirl: Lookie!! I just got the new Final Fantasy game!! And look I also got this totally kawaii plushie of Kurama! Kurama is my god! |
| 18:48.03 | Industrial | lol malreth *facepalm* |
| 18:48.03 | Shirik | ^ Totally me |
| 18:48.25 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you're a fangirl? |
| 18:48.30 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:49.04 | malreth | ~gender Shirik |
| 18:49.05 | purl | I heard Shirik is sexless. |
| 18:49.10 | Shirik | ^ |
| 18:49.11 | malreth | darn right |
| 18:49.30 | Lunessa | ... the operation was a success, even though s/he has to keep taking the injections... |
| 18:50.14 | Industrial | were all the same in the beginning anyway :P |
| 18:50.34 | cogwheel | they picked a horrible material for the front of the authenticator /grumble |
| 18:50.34 | malreth | they should make a version of the operation that is convertible back and forth... Like those pants that turn into shorts and back. |
| 18:50.39 | Shirik | If I could turn back time... |
| 18:50.42 | Shirik | If I could find a way.... |
| 18:50.56 | malreth | cogwheel: mine's already scratched and it's not even a day old |
| 18:51.08 | Industrial | malreth: with a zipper/ |
| 18:51.08 | malreth | eeeeeek! ants!!! |
| 18:51.13 | cogwheel | mine's a week old and the last digit is halfway obscured with scratches |
| 18:51.24 | Shirik | cogwheel: I agree |
| 18:51.38 | Shirik | I can't tell if it has that plastic cover stuff on it or not |
| 18:51.44 | Shirik | It kinda looks like it does but it won't come off |
| 18:51.59 | Shirik | ooh thunder |
| 18:52.00 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 18:52.25 | cogwheel | zomg Shirik thank you |
| 18:52.28 | cogwheel | it does come off |
| 18:52.31 | Shirik | it does? |
| 18:52.31 | cogwheel | it's just a PITA |
| 18:52.33 | Shirik | I couldn't get it off |
| 18:52.47 | Dashkal | purl needs a way to do weather from canadian sources :( |
| 18:52.50 | Dashkal | ~weather YVR |
| 18:52.55 | Shirik | Dashkal: Learn your ICAO codes |
| 18:52.57 | Shirik | YVR is not valid |
| 18:53.01 | Shirik | ~weather CYVR |
| 18:53.09 | Industrial | ~weather Amsterdam |
| 18:53.10 | cogwheel | Shirik: try harder :) |
| 18:53.10 | Industrial | work. |
| 18:53.14 | Industrial | :D? |
| 18:53.19 | kamdis | cogwheel, I'm pretty sure the tooltip didn't say "corpses" or else I would have had a lot more trouble with Devour. |
| 18:53.25 | Dashkal | ooo |
| 18:53.29 | Dashkal | ~weather CYVR |
| 18:53.39 | cogwheel | kamdis: yeah... i was up way too late by the time i got to that quest :P |
| 18:53.59 | cogwheel | Shirik: now we'll have to see how long this surface lasts... |
| 18:54.02 | Shirik | !! It does come off! |
| 18:54.04 | kamdis | I was so frustrated with it at first, but Lunessa encouraged me to keep trying. Then I had a blast once I got the hang of it. |
| 18:54.23 | Lunessa | that quest RULES |
| 18:55.04 | Lunessa | RULES I TELL YOU. RULES |
| 18:55.08 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 18:55.13 | Shirik | YOU LIE |
| 18:55.14 | Industrial | !weather 06241 |
| 18:55.17 | Industrial | ~weather 06241 |
| 18:55.19 | ScytheBlade1 | POP QUIZ: Leotheras and Hydross have fire vulnerabilities. T/F? |
| 18:55.22 | Industrial | asdfasdf |
| 18:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | (Okay so someone just told me do and I don't believe them AT ALL, just curious) |
| 18:55.30 | Shirik | wtf are you looking for Industrial? |
| 18:55.35 | Industrial | amsterdam. |
| 18:55.43 | Industrial | and schiphol is not amsterdam. |
| 18:56.06 | Shirik | what do you mean it's not amsterdam? |
| 18:56.49 | Industrial | theres a closer weather station but apparently it has no code |
| 18:56.53 | Shirik | I'm totally going to lose power again... |
| 18:56.54 | Shirik | grrr |
| 18:56.57 | Shirik | wtb new UPS |
| 18:57.01 | NightHawkAtWork | ScytheBlade1: not that i'm aware of. in fact leo's inner demons have resistence to fire. |
| 18:57.08 | Shirik | Industrial: What's the airport name? |
| 18:57.11 | amro|afk | ~weather DAOO |
| 18:57.12 | Industrial | ~weather EHAM |
| 18:57.15 | NightHawkAtWork | (I think..) |
| 18:58.13 | amro|afk | 21C |
| 18:58.16 | amro|afk | heavenly |
| 18:58.28 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkAtWork: no, but the inner demons have weakness to arcane/nature/holy (obvious toss to the healers) - but no innate resistances (fire mage here) |
| 18:58.32 | Shirik | 21C == cold |
| 18:58.37 | Industrial | just right imo |
| 18:58.49 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkAtWork: but yeah, I wasn't aware of bosses having vulnerabilities in SSC, thanks |
| 18:58.50 | Industrial | </3 sweaty |
| 18:58.57 | kamdis | ScytheBlade1: don't those 2 actually give players a fire vuln. debuff? Leo does, at least with his fireballs. |
| 18:59.03 | amro|afk | ~weather DAUA |
| 18:59.14 | amro|afk | 45 >< |
| 18:59.21 | Industrial | I'd die. |
| 18:59.24 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: given to the players, not placed on leo allowing amp incoming damage on leo from the players |
| 18:59.24 | |Jelly| | Outlands instance up to Sethekk halls with primarily melee mobs. GOGO! |
| 18:59.44 | amro|afk | when it goes over 50C, going outdoors is illegal |
| 19:00.04 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: that sentence made no sense even to me, sorry if I failed that hard *sigh* |
| 19:00.38 | Lunessa | ~fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:00.39 | purl | ScytheBlade1, you Fail! |
| 19:01.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Ambien does not do nice things to ones short term memory, and for whatever reason, my other functions |
| 19:01.55 | Industrial | Ambien what? |
| 19:02.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Sleep aid drug |
| 19:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That doesn't seem to do much for me aside from break me in other ways :P |
| 19:02.33 | Industrial | ~x nl en Aambeien |
| 19:02.38 | Industrial | xD |
| 19:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:03.24 | Industrial | translation humour ftw :P |
| 19:03.49 | ScytheBlade1 | truth |
| 19:04.08 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Thats because Ambien is a hypnotic, and those do funky shit to memory. |
| 19:05.37 | *** join/#wowuidev malreth (n=triti@w-central-233-234.public.utexas.edu) |
| 19:05.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: tell me about it |
| 19:06.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: ... sorry, what were we talking about? I don't recall |
| 19:06.14 | Lunessa | I suffer from insomnia. Sleep aids never really help. |
| 19:06.18 | ScytheBlade1 | (;D) |
| 19:06.21 | Lunessa | :P |
| 19:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember the doctor saying when he gave it to me, to take it when I went to bed and not a moment earlier, seeing as it has been known to induce everything from sleep walking/talking to sleep driving |
| 19:07.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It was likewise an... uncomfortable feeling when I was still awake two hours after I took it |
| 19:07.15 | malreth | that sounds like Ambien |
| 19:07.40 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Yes. It's bad juju. But if you can't sleep any other way... At least you can fake it with drugs. |
| 19:07.50 | Shirik | --> temperature = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k) if type(k)=='string' then local t,p = k:match("(%d+)%s*[FfCckK]"); if not t then error("Unknown Temperature"); end if p ~= "F" and p == "f" then k = tonumber(t,10)*9/5+32; end if p == "k" or p == "K" then k = k + 500; end if k > 95 then return "Hot!" elseif k > 75 then return "Warm" else return "Cold" end end}) |
| 19:07.50 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "temperature = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k) if type..."]:1: unexpected symbol near '}' |
| 19:08.02 | Shirik | that was definitely supposed to be in a whisper |
| 19:08.11 | Lunessa | ~fail Shirik |
| 19:08.11 | purl | Shirik: FAIL! |
| 19:08.36 | cogwheel | ~fail northrend |
| 19:08.37 | purl | northrend, you Fail! |
| 19:08.43 | Shirik | --> return temperature |
| 19:08.43 | batbot | Shirik: > table: 0x8180558 |
| 19:08.46 | Industrial | ~failrik |
| 19:08.46 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:08.50 | Shirik | --> temperature[78] |
| 19:08.51 | batbot | Shirik: > Warm |
| 19:08.55 | Shirik | --> temperature["78F"] |
| 19:08.55 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "temperature = setmetatable({}, {__index = f..."]:1: attempt to compare number with string |
| 19:08.57 | Shirik | bah |
| 19:09.52 | Shirik | --> temperature["78F"] |
| 19:09.52 | batbot | Shirik: > Warm |
| 19:09.54 | Shirik | yey |
| 19:10.18 | amro|afk | --> temperature["273k"] |
| 19:10.18 | batbot | amro|afk: > Hot! |
| 19:10.24 | Shirik | oops |
| 19:10.25 | amro|afk | fail? |
| 19:10.29 | Shirik | Ok that formula is totally not right |
| 19:10.34 | Shirik | oh crap |
| 19:10.37 | Shirik | supposed to be -500 |
| 19:10.37 | Cide | Shirik: you missed () around [FfCcKk] |
| 19:10.37 | Shirik | dododo |
| 19:10.43 | Shirik | oh that too |
| 19:11.04 | Cide | actually |
| 19:11.05 | NightHawkAtWork | Rubik's Cube solving robot, built in lego mindstorms: http://tiltedtwister.com/index.html |
| 19:11.09 | Cide | if p ~= "F" and p == "f" |
| 19:11.11 | Cide | is way fucked up too |
| 19:11.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:11.23 | Shirik | that's what I get for changing my mind half-way through |
| 19:12.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: yeah, I'm really not into faking it with drugs. But... it is what it is. :( |
| 19:12.22 | Shirik | --> temperature["273K"] |
| 19:12.22 | batbot | Shirik: > Cold |
| 19:12.33 | Shirik | --> temperature["90 F"] |
| 19:12.33 | batbot | Shirik: > Warm |
| 19:12.35 | Shirik | yey :) |
| 19:12.45 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: /comfort. I hear you pal, I hear you. 25+ years of not sleeping well sucks. I hope you get some sleep. |
| 19:12.54 | Shirik | sleep sucks |
| 19:13.39 | Shirik | I really wish it weren't required |
| 19:13.42 | Shirik | I could get so much more done |
| 19:15.24 | Lunessa | Edison is quoted as saying, "I'll sleep when I'm dead." |
| 19:15.49 | nevcairiel | ~seen sylvanaar |
| 19:15.50 | purl | sylvanaar <n=sylvanaa@unaffiliated/sylvanaar> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 21h 15m 21s ago, saying: 'i swear wowcompares changes its name every patch'. |
| 19:16.07 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep is for the weak. The sane, well-adjusted weak. But the weak, nevertheless. |
| 19:16.30 | Cide | what bothers me about today's xkcd |
| 19:16.37 | Cide | is that cos(x) starts at 0 :/ |
| 19:16.41 | Josh_Borke | cide: lol |
| 19:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | Cide. *laugh* |
| 19:16.59 | Shirik | Cide: What? |
| 19:17.02 | Cide | http://xkcd.com/453/ |
| 19:17.04 | malreth | ~xkcd |
| 19:17.04 | purl | well, xkcd is http://xkcd.com/ or only the best webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math and language. |
| 19:17.05 | Josh_Borke | cide: how do you know it isn't there? |
| 19:17.13 | Shirik | oh I see what you mean |
| 19:17.19 | Cide | well, that's the only beginning there is :P |
| 19:17.37 | Shirik | it could be phase shifted Cide |
| 19:17.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: me too! waking up at 11:00 PM sucks. |
| 19:17.47 | Shirik | we don't know that the left-most part of the map is x==0 |
| 19:17.48 | Cide | then you'd be looking at cos(x + k) |
| 19:17.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Er |
| 19:17.52 | ScytheBlade1 | *AM |
| 19:17.57 | Cide | right |
| 19:17.59 | Cide | but still |
| 19:18.08 | Cide | it annoys me |
| 19:18.14 | Shirik | the part that annoys me |
| 19:18.22 | Shirik | is the removable signularity at the two edges of the map |
| 19:18.27 | Dashkal | lua> cos(0) |
| 19:18.27 | lua_bot | Dashkal: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'cos' (a nil value) |
| 19:18.31 | Dashkal | lua> math.cos(0) |
| 19:18.31 | lua_bot | Dashkal: 1 |
| 19:18.32 | Shirik | it's discontinuous :P |
| 19:18.46 | Shirik | if on the left side it goes up, then on the right side it should be comming from -1 |
| 19:18.47 | Shirik | not +1 |
| 19:18.56 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: I eventually bowed to reality, and arranged a work schedule that lets me sleep on hours my body finds more natural. I occasionally still have bouts of sleeplessness followed by weekends of nothing but sleep, but mostly it works out. |
| 19:18.59 | Shirik | oh wait, we're missing half the world |
| 19:19.00 | Shirik | nm |
| 19:19.02 | Josh_Borke | did you properly extrapolate it to travel around the globe? |
| 19:19.23 | Lopeppeppy | I just sleep sometimes, and wake sometimes, and try not to mind when I do which. |
| 19:19.28 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't work so well, all told. |
| 19:19.29 | Cide | you must be pretty denes if you think you're only missing 'half' the world imo :P |
| 19:19.33 | Cide | dense too! |
| 19:19.42 | Shirik | well |
| 19:19.47 | Shirik | the US is the only important part of the world so |
| 19:19.50 | Cide | ah, right |
| 19:19.51 | malreth | x is probably longitude |
| 19:19.57 | amro|afk | ~lart Shirik |
| 19:19.57 | purl | slaps a compatible dib on Shirik's head |
| 19:20.02 | malreth | therefore the prime meridian should be 0 |
| 19:20.16 | Cide | nou. |
| 19:20.25 | Cide | you're zero, malreth! |
| 19:20.26 | Shirik | that's not really valid malreth |
| 19:20.36 | Shirik | because longitude is measured in degrees |
| 19:20.44 | Shirik | if that were the case, the frequency of that hurricane is way too high to be cos(x) |
| 19:20.58 | Cide | hey, you talked about phase shifting |
| 19:21.08 | malreth | you do realize, he's making fun of us right now |
| 19:21.15 | Shirik | he totally is |
| 19:21.16 | Cide | could just as well be cos(2x) if it's cos(x + k) ! |
| 19:21.20 | Josh_Borke | *yawn* |
| 19:21.22 | Shirik | I didn't say it was x+k! |
| 19:21.24 | malreth | in other words, the rocket man is you |
| 19:21.29 | Cide | you did! |
| 19:21.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: that's good to hear. I don't have those kind of options ;D |
| 19:21.42 | Shirik | besides, it really is b/(b^2+s^2) |
| 19:21.42 | Shirik | fyi |
| 19:21.48 | Lunessa | ~comfort Lopeppeppy |
| 19:21.48 | purl | There, there, Lopeppeppy. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:22.02 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 19:22.02 | purl | thanks, Lopeppeppy |
| 19:22.10 | Cide | nou |
| 19:22.18 | Shirik | er, I'm sorry |
| 19:22.22 | Shirik | s/(s^2+b^2) |
| 19:22.29 | Cide | what the hell is that from anyway? |
| 19:22.31 | Shirik | and since b==1, it's s/s^2 |
| 19:22.36 | Shirik | er |
| 19:22.39 | Shirik | s/(s+1) |
| 19:22.43 | Shirik | s/(s^2+1) |
| 19:22.44 | Shirik | damn it |
| 19:22.47 | Cide | ... |
| 19:22.50 | Cide | just lay off the drugs |
| 19:22.54 | Josh_Borke | ~whalenuke Cide |
| 19:22.55 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Cide with his mind powers. |
| 19:22.57 | Shirik | ~wiki LaPlace Transformation |
| 19:22.58 | Lunessa | Cide: fuckwit - you are a master of evil. You are my Champion of Sarcasm. |
| 19:23.18 | Josh_Borke | i. hate. |
| 19:23.23 | Josh_Borke | laplace. |
| 19:23.26 | Josh_Borke | transforms. |
| 19:23.28 | Cide | I guess that was inappropriate for your other discussion :P sorry guys |
| 19:23.41 | Shirik | L{cosx} = s/(s^2+1) |
| 19:23.55 | Cide | ah |
| 19:23.59 | Cide | who cares though? |
| 19:24.03 | Shirik | Randall would |
| 19:24.23 | Cide | I would if I knew :/ |
| 19:24.37 | Shirik | so what you're saying is |
| 19:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | If I :Hide() a frame, it still picks up events, yes? |
| 19:24.43 | Shirik | your math skills are inferior to mine |
| 19:24.50 | Cide | you knew that already |
| 19:24.52 | Shirik | this explains why you like "i" over "j" |
| 19:24.58 | Cide | I'm good at math (great at math) |
| 19:25.02 | Cide | but I haven't taken much math |
| 19:25.08 | Cide | no college level math in fact |
| 19:25.15 | Shirik | yet you do matrix algebra? |
| 19:25.24 | Cide | no |
| 19:25.25 | Cide | well |
| 19:25.29 | Shirik | I saw you doing those transforms! |
| 19:25.39 | Cide | I've done some college math |
| 19:25.42 | Cide | but not in college |
| 19:29.07 | Josh_Borke | i > j |
| 19:30.01 | amro|afk | I saw "for j, i in ipairs(t) do" once |
| 19:30.04 | amro|afk | seemed blasphemous |
| 19:32.30 | Shirik | how to do sqrt(-1) in python :( |
| 19:33.08 | Cide | from cmath import sqrt |
| 19:33.14 | Cide | or import cmath |
| 19:33.18 | Cide | cmath.sqrt(-1) |
| 19:33.42 | Cide | >>> import cmath |
| 19:33.43 | Cide | >>> cmath.sqrt(-1) |
| 19:33.43 | Cide | 1j |
| 19:40.34 | Fisker- | nerf Shirik |
| 19:42.20 | ScytheBlade1 | What are the functions to check who is/isn't a raid leader/assistant? |
| 19:42.30 | foxlit | GetRaidRosterInfo |
| 19:42.47 | foxlit | It has a rank return, or something of that kind |
| 19:43.07 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, looks like it, thanks |
| 19:43.14 | ScytheBlade1 | And what event fires whenever that information changes? |
| 19:43.27 | foxlit | RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE, most likely |
| 19:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | DevTools agrees with you! |
| 19:43.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 19:46.13 | ScytheBlade1 | local PowerTable = {} |
| 19:46.21 | ScytheBlade1 | for some reason I find that declaration just /awesome/ |
| 19:55.22 | Shirik | !! |
| 19:55.26 | Shirik | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#206 |
| 19:55.28 | Shirik | ^ Lopeppeppy |
| 19:55.45 | Lunessa | zomg ... murloc suit convention. concentrated awesome. |
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| 19:55.59 | Wikwocket | ... |
| 19:56.46 | Lopeppeppy | Priceless, Shirik, thank you! |
| 19:56.52 | Shirik | :) |
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| 19:57.41 | alestane | I always liked the "daffodil of life" form. |
| 20:04.37 | malreth | this is why Japan is so much better than anywhere else that is not Japan: http://www.akibanana.com/ |
| 20:05.19 | foxlit | If that's not about bananas, I'm not interested! |
| 20:05.32 | Thunder_Child | it's not, it's about stupidity |
| 20:06.08 | Thunder_Child | "Akiba's Watermelon-Milk Juice Helps Increase Sex Drive" is not the title of something i really want to read |
| 20:08.44 | malreth | FOOL! You cannot begin to understand! |
| 20:09.54 | malreth | again? |
| 20:10.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yes dear. |
| 20:11.41 | malreth | volumetric shadows in wotlk? |
| 20:11.56 | nevcairiel | appears to be, yea |
| 20:12.03 | Kirov | I'm not sure volumetric is the correct word |
| 20:12.18 | nevcairiel | its the most common rendering method for shadows |
| 20:12.23 | nevcairiel | shadow volumes or volumetric shadows |
| 20:12.50 | Kirov | shadow volumes are what the Doom3 engine does. |
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| 20:13.11 | Kirov | Most engines _don't_ use those anymore because they're slow and too sharp |
| 20:13.38 | malreth | wow used shadow maps in vanilla and bc for world geometry |
| 20:13.56 | malreth | the video i just saw looked like shadow volumes |
| 20:14.01 | Josh_Borke | o.O |
| 20:14.11 | nevcairiel | fixed geometry is easier to use for shadow maps |
| 20:14.16 | nevcairiel | moving models, not so much |
| 20:14.17 | Kirov | They're dynamic shadow maps. |
| 20:14.38 | Josh_Borke | you guys are pretty smart |
| 20:14.50 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfwR7MiIhHo |
| 20:15.02 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.3) |
| 20:15.15 | Kirov | Yeah, those are shaddow maps. |
| 20:15.46 | malreth | then i blame it on YT cruddy quality |
| 20:16.03 | Kirov | shadow mapping > shadow volumes |
| 20:16.13 | Kirov | volumes are slower, and don't look as good. |
| 20:16.30 | Josh_Borke | you're slower and don't look as good! |
| 20:16.41 | Kirov | ~wiki Shadow Volume |
| 20:16.41 | Josh_Borke | erm, i mean |
| 20:16.47 | Josh_Borke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 20:16.50 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 20:17.04 | cogwheel | malreth: Kirov: /console extShadowQuality 2 |
| 20:17.07 | Kirov | ~wiki Shadow Mapping |
| 20:17.12 | cogwheel | (up to 6, 1 is internal, 0 is back to normal) |
| 20:17.33 | nevcairiel | maybe they use one of those hybrid algorithms to render shadows i read about some time ago |
| 20:17.38 | Kirov | cogwheel - don't have the beta installed. :P |
| 20:17.59 | cogwheel | just pointing out that dynamic shadows exist now :) |
| 20:18.05 | cogwheel | they are teh secks |
| 20:18.10 | Kirov | Yeah, saw the news. |
| 20:18.39 | nevcairiel | both algorithms have their advantages |
| 20:18.57 | cogwheel | are you sure they're maps though? |
| 20:19.07 | cogwheel | they apply to characters as well |
| 20:19.13 | nevcairiel | http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/papers/smapSV/ |
| 20:19.15 | nevcairiel | found it |
| 20:19.27 | nevcairiel | shadow maps generate aliasing on the edges |
| 20:19.31 | nevcairiel | which volumes dont do |
| 20:19.39 | nevcairiel | havent seen it in full resolution in game yet, though |
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| 20:21.32 | cogwheel | full quality shadow of myself: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/WoWScrnShot_072308_132317.jpg |
| 20:22.00 | Kirov | nevcairiel - that's all well and good ... except the one biggest drawback to using shadow volumes is ... they're infinitely sharp. |
| 20:22.10 | nevcairiel | and thats bad? |
| 20:22.11 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:22.15 | Kirov | usually, yes. |
| 20:22.20 | cogwheel | it's unrealistic |
| 20:22.28 | cogwheel | since most shadows are smooth irl |
| 20:22.31 | Kirov | In the real world, shadows aren't sharp unless you have a very very small light. |
| 20:22.49 | Kirov | (or are very close to the shadow caster) |
| 20:23.05 | durcyn | smudge tool, duh. |
| 20:23.06 | Kirov | Most of a shadow isn't close to the shadow caster in most cases, so slightly blurred shadows look better. |
| 20:23.07 | Thunder_Child | hmm...with /console extShadowQuality 6 in a crowded area i get 11 fps |
| 20:23.32 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: yeah it eats my GPU at work for breakfast |
| 20:23.35 | nevcairiel | they could emulate the blur effect by moving the light source every frame by some minimal degree |
| 20:23.45 | cogwheel | eew |
| 20:23.53 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - you're basically rendering everything on screen twice, with the second time at a higher resolution than your actual screen res, then blurred. |
| 20:23.54 | cogwheel | that would be horribly flickery |
| 20:23.56 | nevcairiel | but thats probably eeww :P |
| 20:24.03 | cogwheel | esp at low framerates |
| 20:24.09 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 20:24.14 | nevcairiel | cogwheel: thats 6 ? |
| 20:24.19 | cogwheel | yep |
| 20:24.36 | Kirov | There are soft shadow volume examples which are super accurate, and really really nice looking ... and run at 5fps on current hardware at 640x480 |
| 20:24.46 | Lunessa | wow... I never set it higher than 4. |
| 20:24.46 | nevcairiel | yeah they probably apply some smoothing to the 6 shadows |
| 20:24.49 | cogwheel | zoomed in all the way though |
| 20:24.59 | Thunder_Child | 1680x1050 res 24-24-8bit everything maxed |
| 20:25.05 | cogwheel | from a normal zoom, even level 2 looks awesome |
| 20:25.06 | nevcairiel | Kirov: yeah because they eat fillrate like nothing |
| 20:25.08 | Kirov | They would of applied a blur of some kind to any of the methods. |
| 20:25.15 | Lunessa | I should add a second GPU if I want to crank the shadows all the way up. |
| 20:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: lol |
| 20:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: what a reason to do SLI... shadows! |
| 20:26.09 | nevcairiel | once i get my key, i'll have to compare the levels |
| 20:26.24 | Thunder_Child | hmm..the jump seems to be 4-5 between 5-6 there is not much of a diff |
| 20:26.37 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Yeah, actually on my current card I get really good performance at fairly high settings, but the shadows options are awesome for visual appeal, but I would need more GPU power to maintain framerate. |
| 20:26.42 | nevcairiel | they probably enable the smoothing with 5 |
| 20:26.43 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 20:26.46 | Thunder_Child | and between 0-4 there isnt much of a diff either |
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| 20:27.26 | Kirov | every level is going to have smoothing of some kind, otherwise you'll get a very aliased edge on the shadow. |
| 20:27.34 | Kirov | a quick 2x2 blur will hide it. |
| 20:31.36 | Thunder_Child | http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/shadow6.jpg |
| 20:31.41 | Kirov | so, according to the wolkwiki, the difference between 4 and 5 is the shadows extend to all visible geometry. 4 probably has a cutoff at a certain point. |
| 20:31.42 | Thunder_Child | thats the shadow at 6 |
| 20:32.07 | Thunder_Child | at the highest res that wow will ler me do |
| 20:32.10 | Thunder_Child | let* |
| 20:32.49 | krka | does it go to eleven? |
| 20:32.53 | Kirov | the difference between 5 and 6 is probably double the resolution, double the blur (nearly identical in appearance, but the 6 will be more accurate around thin geometry) |
| 20:33.21 | foxlit | That level of shadow detail is kind of silly considering their ground texture resolution |
| 20:33.34 | Thunder_Child | hahahahahaha, /console extShadowQuality 7 crashes wow |
| 20:33.42 | foxlit | anything greater than 6 does |
| 20:33.55 | Thunder_Child | you would think they would make sure that doesnt happen |
| 20:34.29 | Kirov | If you set it to 666 your video card implodes in to a transdimensional vortex to hell |
| 20:34.32 | foxlit | Why? :) |
| 20:34.38 | Thunder_Child | and this is an area http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/fullshadow6.jpg |
| 20:34.43 | foxlit | You're setting a variable there's no UI access to |
| 20:34.50 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, why not |
| 20:34.55 | foxlit | If you break it, you get to keep both pieces :) |
| 20:35.02 | foxlit | Extra effort |
| 20:35.05 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/misc/HelpNameMe.png |
| 20:35.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ What the file name says... I need a new name for this addon |
| 20:35.23 | Josh_Borke | wow, those shadows look great |
| 20:35.29 | Thunder_Child | Lucky Charms ScytheBlade1? |
| 20:35.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: already taken by another addon of the exact same name ;) |
| 20:36.19 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, how do you want it named? |
| 20:36.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I have no idea, really :) Just looking for suggestions for a proper name for it |
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| 20:37.07 | Thunder_Child | i mean; funny, serious, etc. |
| 20:37.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 20:37.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Really anything, I think a mostly accurate name would be awesome |
| 20:38.00 | zenzelezz | so what does it do? Is it just another raid icon addon? |
| 20:38.15 | ScytheBlade1 | No, you click on the icon, and it puts your name next to it |
| 20:38.32 | ScytheBlade1 | So that way all four mages in my guild (me included) and see who has what targets to sheep :P |
| 20:39.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Three mages deciding that they're sheeping "triangle" means bad things are about to happen |
| 20:39.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It usually starts with healer death, and then proceeds on down to the line to tanks and DPS |
| 20:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I just need a name for it :/ |
| 20:40.23 | krka | i presume this click is sent to the other players aswell :) |
| 20:40.27 | ScytheBlade1 | yes :) |
| 20:40.28 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: Shepherd |
| 20:40.34 | krka | suggestion: MineMineMine |
| 20:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: also used for... anything! |
| 20:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 20:40.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I like MineMineMine |
| 20:40.45 | krka | (ref: nemo) |
| 20:41.17 | krka | what happens if two players click at the approximately same time? |
| 20:41.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Then the last person to click gets it |
| 20:41.33 | zenzelezz | Chuck Norris dies |
| 20:41.35 | krka | will everyone see the same list in the end? |
| 20:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone can claim any target |
| 20:41.46 | ScytheBlade1 | But you can only clear (right-click) targets you own |
| 20:41.54 | ScytheBlade1 | (Or raid lead/assists can clear them too) |
| 20:41.57 | krka | can you claim someone elses target? |
| 20:42.10 | ScytheBlade1 | You can, it's not designed to prevent that |
| 20:42.14 | krka | hm |
| 20:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | If your raid is full of pricks I'm not about to code just for tools |
| 20:42.24 | krka | true |
| 20:42.28 | krka | but for accidents |
| 20:42.39 | krka | two mages want to sheep the same mob and both click |
| 20:42.45 | krka | one may not notice he did not get it |
| 20:42.52 | foxlit | (hey, someone has a sane attitude towards requiring (a)!) |
| 20:42.57 | ScytheBlade1 | The idea is that you pick what target you want to sheep and then they are marked accordingly |
| 20:43.02 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's workable too |
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| 20:43.28 | foxlit | Frankly, the alternative is the mage CL going /6 Bob: star; Jane: circle; Charlie: cross. |
| 20:43.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 20:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But we can also have the locks and hunters use it |
| 20:44.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Targets get marked, the locks just click what targets they want, bam |
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| 20:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Hunter needs to kite/trap a mob? Click, bam, everyone sees it |
| 20:45.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It's fully functional now, just needs a decent name |
| 20:45.50 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - Hit List? |
| 20:45.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirov: we have a winner I think <3 |
| 20:46.05 | Lunessa | MarkedForLife |
| 20:46.22 | Cairenn | you have any idea how many are already called that? (Hit list) |
| 20:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 20:46.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Which means I get another name then ;) |
| 20:46.37 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - hmm... there are two addons on WoWI with that name. |
| 20:46.47 | Kirov | both of which don't deserve the name. |
| 20:46.52 | krka | MarkedMobIsMine |
| 20:47.00 | Cairenn | 007 |
| 20:47.06 | alestane | Claimant. |
| 20:47.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda like Hit List, but taken and I don't want confusion.. |
| 20:48.05 | ScytheBlade1 | MarkedMobIsMine... hmm |
| 20:48.18 | abug | DontSheepMineBro |
| 20:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 20:48.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:48.33 | alestane | HandsOff |
| 20:48.38 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - The first hitlist is a now dead Gello mod (dynamic target frames, ala Proximo) |
| 20:48.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I like HandsOff |
| 20:48.46 | Cairenn | me too |
| 20:48.56 | Kirov | The second is an addon that counts the number of times you've killed that mob. |
| 20:49.00 | Josh_Borke | i like Kity (Keep it to yourself) |
| 20:49.14 | alestane | Still, I'm the guy who named a dynamic frame visibility mod "Goose", so... |
| 20:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: and it is AWESOME. |
| 20:49.45 | Cairenn | I like HandsOff |
| 20:49.50 | Cairenn | fwiw |
| 20:49.54 | alestane | Whether or not it's awesome, the name still takes some explaining. |
| 20:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: as do a lot of addons |
| 20:50.14 | krka | MagicMobMarker |
| 20:50.25 | ScytheBlade1 | krka: it doesn't actually mark mobs for you though |
| 20:50.28 | durcyn | MagicMarker's already used and involves raid marks |
| 20:50.32 | ScytheBlade1 | (though I've had that suggested) |
| 20:50.32 | krka | maybe it should! |
| 20:50.41 | alestane | Like the one I almost made that gave you a main tank assist button - which I would have named "Charlie". |
| 20:50.53 | krka | click on mob, click on "wish to sheep", the rest is magic |
| 20:51.04 | malreth | whoa.. my irc window was totally scrolled all the way up... |
| 20:51.11 | krka | if the mob already has a mark, it could say: "this mob is already marked as sheep by player X" |
| 20:51.17 | malreth | so.. yeah... old conversation is old |
| 20:51.29 | malreth | shadow maps... based on those screenshots |
| 20:51.59 | Kirov | It's impossible for them to be shadow volumes. :P |
| 20:52.20 | malreth | not impossible |
| 20:52.26 | cogwheel | they need to redo the static shadows and the terrain should be self-shadowing |
| 20:52.47 | cogwheel | if someone is standing on top of a cliff, their shadow might be floating on the ground below |
| 20:53.17 | Kirov | cogwheel - the lack of self shadowing terrain is something that bugs me sooo much. The game engine I work with did dynamic self shadowing terrain w/ fake bounced lighting / soft shadows ... 3 years ago. |
| 20:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 20:53.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there another name for cattle branding? |
| 20:54.38 | zenzelezz | bovine tattooing |
| 20:54.42 | Thunder_Child | there are cliff shadow issues |
| 20:54.45 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 20:56.04 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - "Maverick" - originally defined as an unbranded calf |
| 20:56.31 | Kirov | Hot Iron |
| 20:56.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Hot Iron! |
| 20:56.37 | Thunder_Child | http://www.thunder-child.net/Misc/cliffshadow6.jpg my shadow seems to be on the other side of the cliff as well |
| 20:56.55 | Kirov | Thunder_Child - common issue with most shadow methods |
| 20:57.22 | nevcairiel | yup |
| 20:57.38 | nevcairiel | pretty hard to iron that out for every case |
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| 20:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Atriace: use ~ping |
| 20:58.03 | Thunder_Child | also, there seems to be no range for my shadow |
| 20:58.15 | Atriace | ScytheBlade: I'm not being literal, mind you. |
| 20:58.23 | nevcairiel | the cliff itself should cast a shadow on itself, though |
| 20:58.28 | Kirov | You can check if the surface is facing the light direction, but then you can get some artifacts on the edge of the transition. |
| 20:58.45 | nevcairiel | maybe its broken in ghost mode |
| 20:58.47 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 20:58.55 | Kirov | doubt it's a ghost mode issue |
| 20:59.03 | Kirov | It's a "terrain doesn't shadow" issue. |
| 20:59.05 | Thunder_Child | no, death effect doesnt remove it |
| 20:59.24 | nevcairiel | ya they probably didnt do it yet, or dont plan to |
| 20:59.27 | nevcairiel | to save performance |
| 20:59.54 | nevcairiel | but it would look so great if every mountain would cast a shadow on the world |
| 21:00.29 | Thunder_Child | there is many things wrong though |
| 21:01.01 | nevcairiel | afterall, its beta :) |
| 21:03.28 | Thunder_Child | true, though it's something that doesnt need our imput |
| 21:04.01 | nevcairiel | You would think they notice that themselfes, hehe |
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| 21:04.42 | Thunder_Child | that issue might not show up with 4 and people arent meant to use more than 4 |
| 21:05.05 | nevcairiel | they are not? |
| 21:05.17 | nevcairiel | (could easily test with 4) |
| 21:05.30 | nevcairiel | still, environment casting shadows would be awesome |
| 21:05.41 | foxlit | westwooD |
| 21:05.45 | foxlit | hah! |
| 21:05.45 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, "Posted by Tigole: My understanding is that you're not supposed to exceed 4. 5 and 6 are extreme testing measures set up by our engine team to experiment. Try dropping your setting to 4 or less and provide performance freedback." |
| 21:05.53 | foxlit | note to self: change some password |
| 21:06.01 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 21:06.04 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: smooth |
| 21:06.04 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:06.18 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, join the club |
| 21:06.29 | Thunder_Child | i has done that now many times :( |
| 21:06.42 | foxlit | I was set up by the screensaver, really :) |
| 21:07.07 | foxlit | well, about time to do away with that one anyway |
| 21:10.41 | foxlit | I've got an API suggestion: standardize power types in the expansion |
| 21:11.10 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:11.14 | foxlit | (or, rather, power type events) |
| 21:11.28 | foxlit | There's UNIT_MANA, UNIT_ENERGY, UNIT_RAGE... and so on |
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| 21:12.00 | nevcairiel | Hm |
| 21:12.04 | nevcairiel | that would make sense |
| 21:12.08 | nevcairiel | UNIT_ENERGY |
| 21:12.12 | alestane | Make a function, UnitPower, that returns the value and the type? |
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| 21:12.41 | nevcairiel | there is already a event if type changes |
| 21:12.50 | foxlit | alestane: actually, if memory serves, UnitMana is common for all five |
| 21:12.57 | nevcairiel | yup |
| 21:13.12 | foxlit | It's just the "It has changed, update the rage/... bar" event that has a heckload of different names |
| 21:13.13 | nevcairiel | and you get a UNIT_DISPLAYPOWER if the type changes |
| 21:13.38 | nevcairiel | also, UnitPowerType("player") etc |
| 21:13.56 | nevcairiel | rename UnitMana to something generic |
| 21:14.02 | foxlit | current, total, type = UnitPower("unitid") would be ncie |
| 21:14.04 | nevcairiel | and consolidate the events |
| 21:14.44 | foxlit | Consolidate event is the main point, either way :) |
| 21:14.58 | foxlit | [I can't seem to construct a sentence without some grammatical typo.] |
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| 21:20.48 | malreth | ~scone foxlit |
| 21:20.48 | purl | foxlit is not a scone. |
| 21:20.58 | malreth | ~scone nevcairiel |
| 21:20.59 | purl | nevcairiel is not a scone. |
| 21:21.05 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 21:21.07 | foxlit | ~scone scone |
| 21:21.08 | purl | scone is a scone. |
| 21:21.09 | Cairenn | O.o |
| 21:21.14 | malreth | amazing! |
| 21:21.16 | foxlit | a lucky guess! |
| 21:21.50 | malreth | he never specified that scones themselves were or weren't scones... he just said "random object" |
| 21:23.45 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo scone |
| 21:23.45 | purl | there's no such factoid as scone, Thunder_Child |
| 21:24.01 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo CMD: scone (.*?) |
| 21:24.01 | purl | cmd: scone (.*?) -- created by malreth <n=triti@w-central-233-234.public.utexas.edu> 5m 38s ago; last modified 3m 41s ago by malreth!n=triti@w-central-233-234.public.utexas.edu; it has been requested 9 times, last by foxlit, 2m 53s ago. |
| 21:24.25 | foxlit | boolean equals (Object o) { return o != self; } |
| 21:25.38 | malreth | ~scone purl |
| 21:25.39 | purl | purl isa scone. |
| 21:25.46 | malreth | hm... |
| 21:26.15 | malreth | ~literal cmd: scone (.*?) |
| 21:26.15 | purl | "cmd: scone (.*?)" is "($1): <reply>$1 is( not | not | not | not | not | |)a scone." |
| 21:26.23 | malreth | doh |
| 21:26.46 | malreth | i'm full of fail today |
| 21:27.04 | malreth | ~scone lug nut |
| 21:27.05 | purl | lug nut is not a scone. |
| 21:27.19 | malreth | no, most definitely not |
| 21:27.52 | Thunder_Child | lol @ 5 not's |
| 21:30.05 | Shirik | Isn't there an escape character for "new line" in wow? Not \r or \n |
| 21:30.11 | Shirik | but a | escape sequence |
| 21:30.15 | malreth | |n |
| 21:30.26 | Shirik | hm |
| 21:30.29 | Shirik | seems to be ignoring me |
| 21:30.34 | malreth | you can't send it through chat |
| 21:31.07 | Shirik | not trying to |
| 21:31.13 | Shirik | trying to send it to the chat frame, but that's it |
| 21:31.19 | Shirik | not to another player |
| 21:31.52 | malreth | i thought \n worked... |
| 21:32.22 | Shirik | maybeh :P |
| 21:32.38 | malreth | you can also use [[string broken |
| 21:32.38 | malreth | across two lines]] |
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| 21:35.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, at this rate I'll never release this |
| 21:35.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I've added scaling, macro support, keybindings, and a quiet/loud setting to the addon :P |
| 21:36.10 | malreth | do want |
| 21:37.15 | malreth | ScytheBlade1: what addon? |
| 21:37.23 | malreth | that lucky charms thing? |
| 21:37.44 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 21:37.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Named it "Tagger" |
| 21:38.00 | malreth | i have one i just finished polishing up |
| 21:38.11 | malreth | it's something i wrote a year ago but never released |
| 21:38.35 | malreth | Defabricator |
| 21:38.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:38.42 | malreth | it does what you think it does |
| 21:39.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Destroys cloth? :D |
| 21:39.10 | malreth | yeah |
| 21:39.16 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 21:39.21 | malreth | allows you to visualize any player character naked |
| 21:39.29 | malreth | target, click, oogle |
| 21:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That's terrible |
| 21:39.47 | malreth | it's arguably useful |
| 21:40.07 | malreth | every time i get a new piece of gear, i use it on my character so that i can clearly see boots, bracers, etc |
| 21:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:41.13 | Shirik | lua> unitTest = function() return (not a or not b) == ((not a) or (not b)) end; cases = {{true,true}, {true,false}, {false,true}, {false,false}}; for _, v in ipairs(cases) do assert(unitTest(unpack(v))) end print("Done!") |
| 21:41.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: Done! |
| 21:41.29 | malreth | The name is a Doctor Who reference |
| 21:41.29 | Shirik | er |
| 21:41.34 | Shirik | lua> unitTest = function(a, b) return (not a or not b) == ((not a) or (not b)) end; cases = {{true,true}, {true,false}, {false,true}, {false,false}}; for _, v in ipairs(cases) do assert(unitTest(unpack(v))) end print("Done!") |
| 21:41.34 | lua_bot | Shirik: Done! |
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| 21:42.09 | malreth | http://youtube.com/watch?v=MvvjcduGub8 |
| 21:51.21 | malreth | the PlayerModel:Undress() method used to work on NPCs, too |
| 21:51.35 | malreth | but sometime in the past year, it stopped working completely |
| 21:51.44 | malreth | sorry... the SetUnit() method |
| 21:52.00 | malreth | if you set the player model to a non-player, the model loads but without the texture |
| 21:52.46 | malreth | Also, Undress() only worked for the armor models applied to the NPC. Most (all?) npcs have baked textures. |
| 21:53.18 | malreth | so no nekkid Katrina Prestor |
| 21:55.47 | Dashkal | hmm, I have a mod that does that, but I can't remember which one it is... added a strip button to the dressing rooms and allows zoom+rotate |
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| 22:04.33 | Kirov | CosPlay |
| 22:06.14 | Dashkal | That sounds right |
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| 22:07.26 | bleeter | netsplits are good for teh soul |
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| 22:09.20 | Amarande | hmm, question about Bartender4 |
| 22:09.32 | Amarande | I'm trying to show my sister how to configure it ... anyway, got a strange issue happening |
| 22:09.41 | Amarande | there are 2 vertical bars on the right hand side of the screen |
| 22:10.01 | Amarande | and apparently, they're picking up whatever I put on bar 3 and bar 4 (even though those are ALSO on the bottom of the screen where I have them and where I had her put them) |
| 22:10.25 | |Jelly| | turn off the bars in the interface options (like for the actual game) |
| 22:10.26 | Amarande | and I can't find anywhere in the /bt menu that's even responsible for the bars let alone how to disable them |
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| 22:10.51 | Amarande | ahh, dang! that was it :) |
| 22:10.51 | Amarande | thanks |
| 22:10.56 | |Jelly| | :) |
| 22:12.24 | Amarande | I'm still not sure why I'm getting that ArkInventory glitch on my own characters, meanwhile though |
| 22:12.46 | Amarande | In my case ... seems like when something opens the bag window automatically (AH or vendor, mainly) it loses its font setting |
| 22:12.56 | Amarande | goes back to Friz Quadrata, no matter how many times I make it go to Calibri V1 |
| 22:14.00 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: bah, "Tagger"? how boring :p |
| 22:14.18 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 22:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh |
| 22:14.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Boring but descriptive and functional |
| 22:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | You forget YASMM - Yet Another Square MiniMap :P |
| 22:15.03 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *That* is boring ;) |
| 22:15.09 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 22:17.19 | Amarande | heh, we should take a survey of addons |
| 22:17.35 | Amarande | figure out what specific tasks have the most different addons that do the same thing |
| 22:19.18 | Thunder_Child | it's either bars or unit frames |
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| 22:19.27 | Thunder_Child | those being the most visible |
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| 22:26.12 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, it doesnt really fit but it's not taken. You can try Monogram(mer) |
| 22:34.07 | bleeter | kd3: oO Intel are moving from Ubuntu to Fedora as their mobile device OSS stack |
| 22:35.14 | Duman | hmm... donde esta sixen |
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| 22:49.55 | bleeter | Duman: right there ^^ |
| 22:50.13 | Sixen | ~ |
| 22:50.28 | Amarande | bleeter: am I really surprised? not really |
| 22:50.37 | Amarande | seems like Red Hat based stuff is always what companies focus on |
| 22:51.34 | bleeter | Amarande: teh power of Alan Cox? =)) |
| 22:51.54 | Antiarc | Industrial: pong |
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| 22:53.11 | Industrial | Antiarc: if I make a sig the image doesnt display :P |
| 22:53.18 | Industrial | :X |
| 22:53.35 | Industrial | eg http://armory.mmo-champion.com.nyud.net:8080/sig.php/1759281WVaLb.png |
| 22:56.44 | Industrial | Antiarc :D? |
| 22:58.39 | Antiarc | hm. |
| 22:58.45 | Antiarc | I'll have to talk to bibi |
| 22:59.36 | Industrial | well i can stick it in my sig and wait a while maybe it will appear? |
| 22:59.36 | alestane | Are line breaks allowed in the middle of XML attributes, and will they be preserved? |
| 22:59.48 | Industrial | alestane: yes, no |
| 22:59.55 | Antiarc | you can try it, but I'm not sure |
| 22:59.59 | alestane | But some whitespace will be? |
| 23:00.40 | Industrial | depends on what it is I guess |
| 23:00.49 | Kirov | I have the best sig evar ... if you have firefox |
| 23:00.50 | Kirov | http://www.lostsoulsonline.com/connect/download/file.php?avatar=354_1216764473.gif |
| 23:00.54 | Industrial | eg with html all whitespace gets truncated to just 1 space |
| 23:01.14 | Industrial | nice, Kirov |
| 23:01.26 | Industrial | good framerate |
| 23:01.42 | Kirov | http://www.lostsoulsonline.com/connect/download/file.php?avatar=353_1216786457.gif - my fiancee's |
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| 23:02.17 | Kirov | IE caps gif animation to 500ms per frame, which means crap animation |
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| 23:03.18 | Kirov | I tried to use APNG, but holy fuck is it impossible to find software that will output .png files w/ proper alpha |
| 23:03.32 | Kirov | (that's also free) |
| 23:07.16 | Lunessa | Kirov: That's slick. |
| 23:07.48 | amro|afk | firefox even animates it in the favicon spot |
| 23:08.19 | Kirov | amro|afk - all squished, but yeah |
| 23:08.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Kirov: looks like your fiance could rip you a new one. |
| 23:08.52 | Kirov | ScytheBlade1 - she's our top dps on most fights. |
| 23:08.54 | Kirov | :) |
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| 23:09.10 | ScytheBlade1 | haha. So not only COULD she, but she commonly does :) |
| 23:09.24 | Kirov | Go go min / maxer playing melee shaman |
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| 23:16.31 | durcyn | your warriors, rogues, mages, and warlocks should be ashamed of themselves. |
| 23:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I /was/ going to just be nice there :P |
| 23:17.37 | Dashkal | mages still raid? |
| 23:17.45 | Antiarc | there are still mages? |
| 23:17.50 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- |
| 23:17.58 | Antiarc | I thought they all rerolled their hero class |
| 23:17.58 | ScytheBlade1 | But my rogues are bad, so I have nothing to worry about |
| 23:17.59 | Antiarc | "warlock" |
| 23:17.59 | Shirik | for some definition of "raid" |
| 23:18.01 | Shirik | our mages just die |
| 23:18.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:18.13 | Antiarc | We tease our raid mages mercilessly :P |
| 23:18.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't blame you |
| 23:18.22 | ScytheBlade1 | But Q_Q |
| 23:18.23 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 23:18.48 | Lunessa | ... Hey now, I play an enhancement shaman, and I make all kinds of DPS classes weep and work harder to catch up to me. |
| 23:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: that's mostly because they don't know how to play, true story |
| 23:19.36 | NightHawkAtWork | when we had competent rogues & dps warriors, they were easily competetive with our enh shaman |
| 23:19.44 | Gnarfoz | as long as I've got vanish and you don't you're pretty much screwed, Lunessa :D |
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| 23:20.14 | Lunessa | I'm just saying Enh Shaman DPS is not lawlz. It's good. :P |
| 23:20.37 | ScytheBlade1 | A properly played enh shaman is still brought to raids for windfury, not their DPS ;) |
| 23:20.42 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it is insane, if it weren't for aggro |
| 23:20.55 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: erm you might be a bit off on that one ;> |
| 23:21.01 | Antiarc | windfury and unleashed rage |
| 23:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay and GoA |
| 23:21.05 | ScytheBlade1 | And unleased rage |
| 23:21.28 | Antiarc | Our enh shammy pulls about 1800 DPS on Brutallus |
| 23:21.35 | Antiarc | But our locks/rogues roll in the 2300 range |
| 23:21.35 | NightHawkAtWork | eh, that may be why you bring them, but a well geared & played one makes it well worth it. |
| 23:22.16 | bleeter | Shirik++ |
| 23:22.17 | Lunessa | In my current gear, (crafted and badge gear, some kara pieces) I peak in the 1K+ range. |
| 23:22.28 | Shirik | ~Shirik++ imo :( |
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| 23:26.27 | Gnarfoz | ZONE_CHANGED (and ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA) don't fire inside instances, do they? if so, does anything else fire in their place? |
| 23:26.59 | Shirik | it does |
| 23:27.14 | Shirik | I remember using it to help Conspiracy determine when to load specific LOD addons |
| 23:27.33 | Gnarfoz | hm strange, I'm hooking both and the attached function isn't called |
| 23:27.37 | Gnarfoz | (while it works fine outside) |
| 23:27.39 | Shirik | got codes? |
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| 23:27.57 | Gnarfoz | yeah in a minute, gotta try something else first, though |
| 23:29.39 | kd3 | o_O; 37 updates |
| 23:32.38 | Drundia | Ok, so there is an evil bug with battleground join message that lists multiple players if players have non-7-bit characters in their names, for example when "Qwerty" joins battle is will cut it to "rty" |
| 23:33.03 | Drundia | oops, meaning "Qwérty" |
| 23:33.47 | Shirik | I disagree with calling those 7-bit characters :P |
| 23:33.51 | Lunessa | kd3 patch? |
| 23:34.01 | Shirik | er, non-7-bit |
| 23:34.03 | kd3 | fedora stuff |
| 23:34.13 | Shirik | well in particular, calling the others 7-bit characters |
| 23:34.24 | Lunessa | thx |
| 23:35.00 | Drundia | meh |
| 23:35.03 | Drundia | ASCII then? |
| 23:36.10 | Shirik | lower half of the ASCII codepage, sure :) |
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| 23:36.24 | Shirik | or the non-extended set |
| 23:36.48 | Shirik | Or we could cut the technicalities and just say "special characters" or something :P |
| 23:36.59 | Shirik | Let's invent a new term |
| 23:37.13 | Shirik | fugchars |
| 23:37.16 | Drundia | yes, new term would be great |
| 23:37.17 | Shirik | short for fugly characters |
| 23:37.23 | Drundia | fugchars, yes |
| 23:37.53 | Drundia | they should disallow them on english speaking realms completely because there are always problems with typing them based on os locale |
| 23:38.10 | Drundia | actually i think only windows locale, because i heard macs work more properly there |
| 23:38.13 | Shirik | I agree |
| 23:38.38 | Shirik | I mean if they aren't going to support all of UTF-8... I wonder why it's allowed in the first place at all |
| 23:39.02 | Shirik | though é doesn't require UTF-8 support |
| 23:39.08 | Shirik | but I'm just extending the quesiton |
| 23:39.23 | Shirik | 0-127 would be more than adequate on the US realms |
| 23:39.31 | bleeter | I think it got back to the ability to report player names with those chars in it. As soon as you could shift-click a name and have it go inside the GM ticket, the policy changed so those chars were allowed |
| 23:39.44 | Arrowmaster | blizzard just always fails at their lua patterns |
| 23:40.21 | bleeter | kd3: I has moar patches than u coz I waited longer... or something :P |
| 23:40.25 | Drundia | i think eu allowed those chars even when they were unreportable |
| 23:40.26 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: regardless, they are allowed on EU realms for obvious reasons |
| 23:40.28 | Gnarfoz | and it should work there. |
| 23:40.35 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: totally agree |
| 23:40.38 | Drundia | but they are stupid, especially various "i" |
| 23:40.47 | Gnarfoz | Drundia: you are stupid, too ~ |
| 23:40.51 | Drundia | iìÃîï |
| 23:40.59 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 23:41.00 | Arrowmaster | you can easyly type those in windows if you know how |
| 23:41.16 | Gnarfoz | anyway, the bug is pretty annoying, yes |
| 23:41.21 | bleeter | the ones that get me are the serial harassers who use those chars to 'grief' folks in trade |
| 23:41.21 | Drundia | depends on your windows locale |
| 23:41.30 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 23:41.35 | bleeter | I'm like.. 'ffs get a life' |
| 23:41.37 | Drundia | if those characters aren't in windows locale you can't type them |
| 23:41.41 | Arrowmaster | it depends on what you set your keyboard language to |
| 23:41.42 | Gnarfoz | doesn't at all, alt+1234 always works, and there's charmap.exe |
| 23:42.01 | Arrowmaster | Drundia: i can type them fine and im in English (US) |
| 23:42.08 | Dashkal | Bah, if I wanna be á¸áº£Æ¨á¸§á¸±á¸á¸· they should let me :p |
| 23:42.09 | Gnarfoz | also, when do ZONE_CHANGED and ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA fire o_O |
| 23:42.11 | Drundia | yes because they are in that codepage |
| 23:42.32 | Arrowmaster | codepage has nothing to do with it |
| 23:42.42 | Arrowmaster | windows is unicode |
| 23:42.49 | Drundia | problems come with locales that don't use windows-1252 or whatever it was |
| 23:42.56 | Arrowmaster | atleast non 9x versions are |
| 23:43.00 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: Um, alt+1234 might work, but do you really wanna have to memorize the entire unicode space worth of latin-like letters? |
| 23:43.12 | Gnarfoz | they don't support the unicode space |
| 23:43.41 | Gnarfoz | it's all in 8bit ascii, which is not new, by any measure |
| 23:43.43 | Dashkal | I've used that contruct to pop out hiragana. It's doing _something_ |
| 23:43.59 | Arrowmaster | its all unicode |
| 23:44.03 | Gnarfoz | it's just narrow minded people whose languages have exactly 26 letters and no accents |
| 23:44.06 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:44.28 | Drundia | alt+0225: here it is "á", in wow it is "б" because it's character represented by that one byte in windows-1251 which is used for russian locale |
| 23:44.41 | bleeter | having worked on internationalisation effort before, Gnarfoz, and thumping several project managers because of that... I agree ;) |
| 23:44.50 | Arrowmaster | alt+#### is not unicode |
| 23:44.51 | Drundia | wow doesn't interact with windows as unicode program at all |
| 23:44.58 | Arrowmaster | yes it does |
| 23:44.59 | Gnarfoz | á |
| 23:45.18 | Drundia | no it doesn't |
| 23:45.19 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: no it doesn't |
| 23:45.24 | Gnarfoz | can't change ltr to rtl |
| 23:45.28 | Drundia | go type some russian letters in wow |
| 23:45.28 | Gnarfoz | for example |
| 23:45.33 | Drundia | if you are in us |
| 23:45.42 | Arrowmaster | i have typed cryillic in wow before |
| 23:45.44 | bleeter | oddly enough, the only project manager who got it was a brooklyn born and bread guy, all the EU managers we had failed hard |
| 23:45.48 | bleeter | *bred |
| 23:45.59 | Gnarfoz | I was going to poke fun at the bread part |
| 23:46.10 | bleeter | rightly so |
| 23:47.29 | Drundia | well, i don't know, if you know how to paste or type all that stuff in wow please tell me, because i horribly fail at that, it just doesn't do what it should |
| 23:48.02 | Arrowmaster | what keyboard layout do you use? |
| 23:48.43 | Drundia | us english, russian, ukrainian, polish programming |
| 23:49.02 | Arrowmaster | us intl works mostly fine for typing latin in wow |
| 23:49.33 | Arrowmaster | except a few key combos with altgr are for some reason recognized as other stuff like arrowkeys or copy/paste |
| 23:49.43 | Dashkal | Which windows layout lets you use dead keys? right-win, ', a -> á type dealy |
| 23:49.52 | Dashkal | I only know how to do that under linux |
| 23:49.53 | Arrowmaster | us intl |
| 23:50.24 | Arrowmaster | and you dont need to do anything but 'a to type á |
| 23:50.35 | Dashkal | Ok, that would make typing ' a pain in the ass. |
| 23:50.38 | Arrowmaster | i use a reversed deadkey layout because im not used to them |
| 23:50.46 | Arrowmaster | when i do altgr-'a |
| 23:51.03 | Arrowmaster | altgr-' then a |
| 23:51.21 | Arrowmaster | but i tried looking the other day and couldnt find a link to it anymore |
| 23:51.28 | Dashkal | ahh ok, that's what that strange key is for... |
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| 23:51.40 | Arrowmaster | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/WorldStateFrame.lua |
| 23:51.46 | Arrowmaster | function WorldStateAlwaysUpFrame_FilterChatMsgSystem (message) |
| 23:52.05 | Arrowmaster | playerName = string.match(playerName, "([%w]+)%-?.*"); |
| 23:52.09 | Arrowmaster | blame blizzard |
| 23:52.27 | Arrowmaster | and whichever retard used %w |
| 23:53.15 | Arrowmaster | oh wow that function is awesome |
| 23:53.42 | Drundia | the problem is that in wow i still don't see á, but only б if i type that cool 'a |
| 23:54.11 | Arrowmaster | really? |
| 23:54.17 | Arrowmaster | thats weird |
| 23:54.35 | Drundia | because á is 0xE1 in its original codepage, and б is 0xE1 in my default locale codepage |
| 23:54.56 | Arrowmaster | you could try running wow in applocale |
| 23:55.51 | Drundia | hmmm, tell me more, but i'll still have something untypable |
| 23:56.17 | Arrowmaster | http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/apploc.mspx |
| 23:57.15 | Arrowmaster | it does sound like a problem with wow, it should let you switch keyboard layouts while its running and type whatever you want |
| 23:58.16 | Drundia | i can switch keyboard layouts, it just doesn't seem to interact in unicode ways, also when cutting and pasting. the issue is there since they started to use utf-8 in like d2 |
| 23:58.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah sounds like its not a fully unicode app |
