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| 00:03.40 | Shirik | lua> string.format("%q", "\"hello world\"") |
| 00:03.40 | lua_bot | Shirik: "\"hello world\"" |
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| 00:05.02 | Kaso | http://img.waffleimages.com/583fbde09417ddde8762abdbff8fe10d9614aa03/nut.jpg |
| 00:05.02 | Kaso | Guy with huge nuts ^ (well nut) |
| 00:06.18 | bleeter | u r a nut :P |
| 00:08.34 | foxlit | So, two platforms, an ffmpeg recompile and some rather questionable normalization later, I've got the dr. horrible songs in AAC :) |
| 00:09.36 | laeg | what do we think of people in your faction who tell you |
| 00:09.46 | laeg | "stop ganking that horde he's my friend" |
| 00:09.48 | laeg | lmfao |
| 00:10.13 | laeg | but dude this is a pvp realm |
| 00:10.19 | laeg | "but you're pveing right now!" |
| 00:10.48 | foxlit | sometimes I think there are advantages to being able to initiate PvP combat on any target, rather than just opposite factions flagged for pvp |
| 00:10.57 | laeg | lol |
| 00:11.01 | laeg | what do you mean sometimes? |
| 00:11.02 | laeg | always |
| 00:11.23 | laeg | sorry i misread |
| 00:12.12 | laeg | i would love to be able to attack people from my own faction at will but it would make it incredibly more difficult to get anything done |
| 00:14.25 | Amarande | foxlit: I think that would create a lot more PUG wipes when someone gets emotional and backstabs another party member |
| 00:14.34 | laeg | Amarande: yes |
| 00:14.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Nothing would get done. |
| 00:14.59 | laeg | perhaps a step in the right direction would be making the cost of losing a duel having to res at a gy |
| 00:15.03 | Amarande | and people PKing people over things like "I should have had that loot no fair you won guess I'm gonna kill you so you won't be able to finish the Bael'Gar quest because he'll despawn before you get back!" |
| 00:15.10 | laeg | (maybe on a time delay) |
| 00:15.28 | laeg | Amarande: what's pking? |
| 00:15.34 | Amarande | Player killing |
| 00:15.42 | Amarande | pretty much synonymous with ganking |
| 00:15.54 | laeg | anyone who loses on a roll that all roller genuinely needed has no grounds to emo out |
| 00:16.08 | Amarande | laeg: what should be the case and what is the case are two wildly different things |
| 00:16.11 | Amarande | especially in a PUG |
| 00:16.15 | Amarande | especially if there are hunters in the PUG ... lol |
| 00:16.19 | laeg | :) |
| 00:16.22 | foxlit | It self-regulates, so that objection shouldn't be particularly nasty |
| 00:16.25 | laeg | i hear all kara pugs end in tears |
| 00:16.28 | laeg | is this true? |
| 00:16.35 | foxlit | If someone is being a jerk, you can presumably rally a bunch of other people to counteract that |
| 00:16.52 | Amarande | foxlit: and then everyone is busy with petty wars and no one is getting anything done |
| 00:16.53 | foxlit | With any luck, you'll get an environment where being a jerk is an unprofitable position |
| 00:16.59 | Amarande | would be awesome for honor gear though LOL |
| 00:17.12 | foxlit | "getting anything done" happens in instances |
| 00:17.13 | laeg | we do have guilds but in a world where anyone can attack a member of any faction it would become like a prison system gang world |
| 00:17.28 | Amarande | actually, honor for killing a same faction might not be a good idea |
| 00:17.37 | Amarande | next thing you know, honor gear goes to the most dishonorable people LOL |
| 00:17.56 | foxlit | so I don't see the problem. Besides, you can already be prevented from "getting anything done" by the opposite fraction, which doesn't seem to have people complaining about it |
| 00:17.56 | Amarande | or we could just ... oh, bring back dishonorable kills maybe |
| 00:17.59 | laeg | Amarande: that is sometimes the status quo |
| 00:18.25 | Amarande | like, if you kill a grey player (except in bg) you'd *lose* honor? |
| 00:18.25 | laeg | Amarande: are dishonourable kills where you lose honour when killing opposing faction npcs? |
| 00:18.29 | laeg | s/are/were |
| 00:18.43 | laeg | (i know currently you don't lose honour for this) |
| 00:18.54 | foxlit | I think you'll find that some people won't care at all about honor |
| 00:18.59 | Amarande | I can think of a way to do anti-griefing pretty well |
| 00:19.09 | Amarande | If you kill a grey player, you either - |
| 00:19.14 | foxlit | Since honor ends up netting you mediocre gear |
| 00:19.19 | Amarande | 1. *lose* honor equal to what they would have gained by killing you |
| 00:19.22 | foxlit | which you probably don't need in the first place |
| 00:19.55 | Amarande | or 2. acquire some sort of stacking debuff which lowers your damage dealt to grey targets in pvp by a %, until eventually you don't deal any at all for the duration |
| 00:20.05 | foxlit | Pointless, btw |
| 00:20.21 | foxlit | You're removing the ability of high-level players to retaliate against lower-level players... why, exactly? |
| 00:20.31 | Arrowmaster | i have played games where everytime you initated combat with another player and killed them you had a rating that went down, and when it got low enough all guards would attack you, it still didnt help with griefing |
| 00:20.56 | Amarande | or maybe how about something like this |
| 00:21.22 | Amarande | when someone who has been killed by a player (maybe including a restriction "and did not give honor") rezzes, they get a buff for a short time that keeps them from being killed again right away |
| 00:21.45 | cogwheel | :( when did SendChatMessage"\n" stop d/c'ing? I miss my quick disco macro |
| 00:22.02 | Arrowmaster | quite a while back i thought |
| 00:22.17 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Almost done, just touching up one elusive bug |
| 00:22.34 | foxlit | cog: now you need to spam item lookups, clearly :) |
| 00:23.02 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: shows how long it's been since i played much |
| 00:23.04 | cogwheel | :P |
| 00:26.02 | Shirik | well.... this is annoying |
| 00:26.06 | Shirik | maybe it wasn't a bug Arrowmaster |
| 00:26.25 | Shirik | lua> pp{1,2,3,nil,5,[4]=4} |
| 00:26.25 | lua_bot | Shirik: { 1, 2, 3, [5] = 5 } (#1) |
| 00:26.33 | Shirik | Lua ignores that [4] index >.> |
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| 00:29.28 | demetrious | Is there an addon that would allow to label buttons (not hot keys, just labels)? |
| 00:29.39 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: How's this? http://wowi.pastey.net/91569 |
| 00:30.50 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 00:31.24 | Arrowmaster | rather it skip the top level table like that |
| 00:31.46 | Shirik | hmm |
| 00:32.00 | Arrowmaster | let me give you an example |
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| 00:34.49 | Arrowmaster | local func, t = loadstring([[VAR = {1,2,3,[5]=5,[4]=4,[10]=10,[-1]={1,2,3,["foo"]="foo",["bar"]={a="a",c="c",b="b"}}}]]), {}; setfenv(func, t)(); LuaDump.Dump(t) |
| 00:34.51 | Arrowmaster | try that |
| 00:35.57 | Shirik | sec, Arrowmaster, first, is this what you wanted to change? |
| 00:36.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 00:36.12 | Shirik | you didn't even see... |
| 00:36.38 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 00:36.47 | Shirik | You wanted me to remove the top level table? |
| 00:36.53 | Shirik | so you wanted the outer { and } gone? |
| 00:36.58 | Shirik | is that what you meant? |
| 00:37.03 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 00:37.13 | Arrowmaster | but it doesnt really look right with your example because of the array |
| 00:37.29 | Shirik | so like this? http://wowi.pastey.net/91570 |
| 00:37.29 | Arrowmaster | ofcourse the top level table would never be an array though |
| 00:37.46 | Shirik | problem with that is it doesn't entirely look correct due to the ending , |
| 00:38.09 | Arrowmaster | actually |
| 00:38.15 | Shirik | I'll try your example after you say that's right :P |
| 00:38.18 | Arrowmaster | id rather all ends had ,'s |
| 00:38.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah it looks right |
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| 00:39.19 | Arrowmaster | since if all the final elements had ,'s then adding a new one after it wouldnt cause the last line to be marked as changed in the diff |
| 00:39.45 | Shirik | results: http://wowi.pastey.net/91571 |
| 00:40.16 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 00:40.31 | Shirik | what's that setfenv for? |
| 00:40.41 | Arrowmaster | the ["..."] look a little outa place |
| 00:41.08 | Shirik | the wha? |
| 00:41.57 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: replace the string with contents of any saved var file and it should execute the file in a blank enviroment meaning now your blank enviroment has the contents of the file and nothing else |
| 00:43.09 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i only say the ["VAR"] looks outa place because of saved vars that dont use tables |
| 00:43.36 | Shirik | ahh |
| 00:43.48 | Shirik | would you rather it try not to use ["..."] if it can? |
| 00:43.58 | Arrowmaster | where it will convert 'VAR = 1' to '["VAR"] = 1' |
| 00:44.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 00:44.33 | Arrowmaster | wait |
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| 00:44.56 | Arrowmaster | actually the blizzard saved var writer uses ["..."] everywhere except the top level |
| 00:46.27 | Shirik | well pick one :P |
| 00:46.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa, key bindings are now stored on the server too? |
| 00:46.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Epic win |
| 00:46.51 | Shirik | I mean if you want, I can go ahead and check to see if we're at top level |
| 00:46.53 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: rather have them then, since i can just edit it later |
| 00:46.54 | Shirik | but I really think that's ugly |
| 00:47.07 | Shirik | so you do want the way it is now? |
| 00:47.10 | Arrowmaster | well trying to make it as close to the blizzard one |
| 00:47.21 | Shirik | after I made this amazing regex to avoid that? |
| 00:47.24 | Shirik | :< |
| 00:47.26 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 00:47.36 | Shirik | actually not really that amazing |
| 00:47.43 | Shirik | if (type(k) == 'string' and k:match("^[a-zA-Z][a-zA-Z0-9_]*$")) then |
| 00:47.56 | Arrowmaster | it shouldnt be hard since you can just check your prefix |
| 00:48.10 | Shirik | yeah I can check the prefix |
| 00:48.16 | Arrowmaster | if the prefix length is 0 then do it one way, other wise do it the other |
| 00:48.18 | Shirik | do you want me to do that? |
| 00:48.21 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 00:48.34 | Arrowmaster | im going to try and figure out how to handle nil's |
| 00:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, the 3.0 changes look awesome |
| 00:49.57 | Arrowmaster | lua> tostring(setmetatable(newproxy(),{__tostring=function() return nil end})) |
| 00:49.58 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'newproxy' (a nil value) |
| 00:50.01 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/91572 |
| 00:50.20 | Arrowmaster | perfect |
| 00:50.21 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: nil wouldn't be in the table... |
| 00:50.44 | Arrowmaster | the top level table can contain nils, thats the only one |
| 00:50.58 | Shirik | well, um |
| 00:51.00 | Arrowmaster | which i think i can handle on import with a metatable |
| 00:51.03 | Shirik | in all honesty, my code wouldn't be able to see it |
| 00:51.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 00:51.17 | Arrowmaster | i plan to replace it with something else |
| 00:51.28 | Shirik | want this code? :) |
| 00:51.32 | Arrowmaster | sure |
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| 00:53.19 | Shirik | it's a standard Lua module, so you should be able to load it with require() |
| 00:53.52 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/91573 For lack of a better redistribution method |
| 00:55.15 | Shirik | I don't think WoW actually allows for nans in SVs, but I implemented it just in case |
| 00:55.37 | Shirik | oh crap |
| 00:55.41 | Shirik | I completely forgot a function.... |
| 00:56.49 | Arrowmaster | does it have the indent on the top level table? |
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| 00:57.02 | Shirik | no, it has what I've been showing you |
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| 00:57.15 | Shirik | Use this: http://wowi.pastey.net/91574 |
| 00:57.21 | Arrowmaster | http://wowi.pastey.net/91572 has an indent on the top level |
| 00:57.38 | Shirik | oh indent |
| 00:57.40 | Shirik | yes it does, I can remove that |
| 00:58.03 | Arrowmaster | would be nice, and line 183 looks wrong |
| 00:58.17 | Arrowmaster | unless thats suppost to be commented out |
| 00:58.22 | Shirik | line 183 is right; I kept in the old code |
| 00:58.25 | Shirik | that's the top level bracket |
| 00:59.16 | cogwheel | <3 the tooltip for death grip |
| 00:59.54 | cogwheel | "Harness the unholy energy that surrounds and binds all matter, drawing the target toward the Death Knight and forcing the enemy to attack the Death Knight for 3 sec." |
| 01:00.08 | cogwheel | i.e. "Use the force, DK" |
| 01:00.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:00.15 | ScytheBlade1 | that's win |
| 01:00.40 | Shirik | How's this, Arrowmaster? http://wowi.pastey.net/91575 |
| 01:01.16 | Arrowmaster | i think some of the behavior got reverted |
| 01:01.32 | Shirik | which? |
| 01:01.43 | Arrowmaster | the top level ["VAR"] to VAR |
| 01:01.48 | Shirik | oh yeah :/ |
| 01:02.03 | Shirik | because it's no longer tabbed out, so prefix isn't 3 :P |
| 01:03.07 | Shirik | for real now! http://wowi.pastey.net/91576 |
| 01:03.18 | Arrowmaster | sweet |
| 01:03.30 | Shirik | isn't that last comma gonna be problematic though? |
| 01:03.38 | Arrowmaster | no i want that |
| 01:03.48 | Shirik | will it load though? |
| 01:03.51 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:04.01 | Shirik | ok then |
| 01:04.08 | Arrowmaster | oh wait |
| 01:04.34 | Arrowmaster | better skip comma's at the end of the top level |
| 01:04.39 | Shirik | yeah :P |
| 01:04.50 | Arrowmaster | or SavedVariables.lua is going to get changed |
| 01:05.34 | Arrowmaster | and that gets read by a different interpreter thats exteremely less functional as the normal one |
| 01:05.43 | Arrowmaster | for security reasons |
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| 01:07.02 | Shirik | what a hack: ((next(list, k) or #prefix > 0) and "," or "") |
| 01:09.37 | Shirik | how's this, Arrowmaster? http://wowi.pastey.net/91578 |
| 01:10.02 | Arrowmaster | almost perfect, whats with that blank line? |
| 01:10.11 | Shirik | uh, good question |
| 01:10.33 | Arrowmaster | and replace the prefix with "\t" while your at it |
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| 01:12.32 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/91579 Using tabs, despite the fact that my copy-paste doesn't agree |
| 01:13.01 | Arrowmaster | looking god |
| 01:13.02 | Arrowmaster | good |
| 01:13.14 | Shirik | I prefer looking god, tbh |
| 01:13.31 | Arrowmaster | gona hack the serializer though |
| 01:13.55 | Shirik | kk have fun |
| 01:14.29 | Shirik | Codes: http://wowi.pastey.net/91580 |
| 01:30.16 | sylvanaar | why did you write that Shirik? |
| 01:30.24 | Shirik | Arrowmaster wanted it |
| 01:32.06 | Lopeppeppy | You'd play with ebola, darlin' |
| 01:32.15 | Shirik | I would |
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| 01:33.42 | Codex| | is there an easy way to hook /train to move forward? |
| 01:34.00 | cogwheel | addons and macro scripts can't affect movement in any way |
| 01:34.12 | cogwheel | s/ script// |
| 01:34.29 | Shirik | well you can call FollowUnit() |
| 01:34.55 | cogwheel | indirect enough my point stands imo :P |
| 01:36.13 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you know i didnt even have to change anything and i got nil's working |
| 01:37.37 | bleeter | beta/alpha folks, does it look like there's anything in the UI that might stop raid ID 'theft' in WotLK? |
| 01:37.51 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: :) |
| 01:39.10 | Arrowmaster | func=loadstring([[VAR = {1,2,3,[5]=5,[4]=4,[10]=10,[-1]={1,2,3,["foo"]="foo",["bar"]={a="a",c="c",b="b"}}} NOTAVAR = nil]]); nilproxy=newproxy(); t=setmetatable({},{__newindex=function(self,k,v) if v==nil then rawset(self,k,nilproxy) else rawset(self,k,v) end end}); setfenv(func, t)() |
| 01:39.24 | Arrowmaster | NOTAVAR = nil --[[ Skipping element of type 'userdata']], |
| 01:43.29 | Shirik | oh :) |
| 01:43.38 | Shirik | that's fairly simple |
| 01:43.45 | Shirik | not exactly how I intended it to go, but yey anyway :) |
| 01:46.41 | sancus | bleeter: No |
| 01:46.47 | sancus | bleeter: Doubt it is possible to stop it |
| 01:46.58 | Amarande | exactly what would raid ID 'theft' be, anyway? |
| 01:47.09 | sancus | it's when you are in one raid |
| 01:47.13 | sancus | get the id to that raid |
| 01:47.19 | sancus | then let another raid group into that instance so they can kill stuff |
| 01:47.26 | sancus | without the consent of the people in your previous raid group |
| 01:47.29 | Amarande | um |
| 01:47.33 | sancus | usually used to steal like |
| 01:47.41 | sancus | end bosses that people are having trouble killing or whatever |
| 01:47.42 | sancus | from one guild |
| 01:47.43 | bleeter | 'can I get your help to summons someone pls' |
| 01:47.44 | sancus | vs another |
| 01:47.55 | Amarande | wouldn't you just have to leave the raid, make a raid group with others who aren't saved, and they'd go into your instance? |
| 01:47.59 | bleeter | 'sure' |
| 01:48.15 | bleeter | blammo, your raid has now probably given away it's week's run |
| 01:48.23 | Amarande | otherwise, how would you be able to have subs in a raid |
| 01:48.44 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: at the beginning of your LuaDump.Dump() you had a for k,v in pairs(t) do, and then you typod and used v where you ment k |
| 01:48.52 | sancus | bleeter: seriously doubt it's a problem they care about |
| 01:48.59 | Amarande | speaking of which, what happens if you have a raid group that has people saved to different raid IDs and you try to raid? |
| 01:49.11 | sancus | You can't raid? |
| 01:49.13 | Amarande | group splits, I'm assuming? |
| 01:49.17 | sancus | yep |
| 01:49.30 | bleeter | sancus: the GMs care, because they get countless 'harassment' tickets over it, and it's pointless 'coz nothing can be done in the current situation |
| 01:49.33 | Amarande | but *unsaved* people would go into your instance, right? |
| 01:49.50 | Arrowmaster | unsaved people would goto the raid leaders instance |
| 01:49.58 | bleeter | usually not a day goes by on the US customer support forum without threads like http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202530894&sid=1 |
| 01:50.04 | sancus | bleeter: So you're saying that you know for a fact that the GMs care because they get a significant number of these reports and therefore Blizzard plans to do something about it? |
| 01:50.12 | Amarande | well, then there's no way to stop raid ID theft |
| 01:50.15 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: if type(v)=='number' and v >= 1 and floor(v) == v and v ~= 1/0 then -- Skip array-like indices, but mark in maxn |
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| 01:50.16 | Shirik | that? |
| 01:50.20 | Shirik | that actually explains white a bit |
| 01:50.26 | Shirik | I thought there was something strange going on |
| 01:50.27 | Amarande | someone can just, after being saved and not being in a raid group, create another raid group of which they are leader, and lead others in |
| 01:50.29 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 01:50.31 | sancus | haha |
| 01:50.32 | Amarande | I don't think that can be avoided |
| 01:50.33 | sancus | that's pretty funny |
| 01:50.35 | bleeter | sancus: mo, I mean they care that they get a buncha tickets that 'waste' their time 'coz people are.. something or other ;) |
| 01:50.40 | sancus | except |
| 01:50.44 | sancus | you can't solve that problem |
| 01:50.49 | sancus | like seriously.. it's not solvable |
| 01:51.12 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: actually blizzard sorta did something weird with that in tbc because of heroics |
| 01:51.13 | sancus | Even if you change the UI and everything so that you specifically have to give consent for anyone in your group who isn't saved to enter your raid ID |
| 01:51.16 | sancus | that changes nothing |
| 01:51.30 | sancus | then all you need is one person who wants to betray the raid for a couple of hundred gold |
| 01:51.34 | sancus | in the other raid |
| 01:51.36 | sancus | and its the same situation |
| 01:51.40 | sancus | and the same posts appear |
| 01:51.43 | sancus | cause you'll never know who fucked you |
| 01:51.44 | sancus | So... |
| 01:52.09 | bleeter | thought as much, hence my question. was just wondering if some coder at Blizz had a brain exploision and managed to solve/limit the 'issue' |
| 01:52.17 | sancus | no |
| 01:53.38 | bleeter | yeah, heroics present a similar issue, particularly with dailies. you're in a 5 man, doing well.. one person's ISP drops out. they're still registered inside the instance. after waiting two hours, you get someone else in. because there's now 6 people in the heroic, you won't get the complete. |
| 01:54.11 | sancus | well |
| 01:54.12 | bleeter | though tbh I haven't seen moaning about this in the past month or so, so maybe they tweaked that.. /shrug |
| 01:54.13 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: huh? |
| 01:54.18 | sancus | instances should kick people out when they've been DC'd for a certain timeout period |
| 01:54.20 | sancus | like.. 5 minutes |
| 01:54.24 | Arrowmaster | i never even heard of that issue |
| 01:54.48 | sancus | yeah I've never heard of it either heh |
| 01:54.55 | sancus | if they're not in your group it shouldnt prevent completion? |
| 01:55.26 | Amarande | sancus: 5 minutes is too short ... it would have to be at least 20, unfortunately |
| 01:55.34 | bleeter | there's six people registered to your heroic ID, one hasn't left.. or something like that. as I say, haven't seen the moan recently, so maybe they did tweak it |
| 01:55.35 | sancus | why is 5 minutes too short? |
| 01:55.37 | Arrowmaster | afaik it was only ever an issue if somebody died, released, then went offline as a ghost because then it would still count them as in the instance and not let another in |
| 01:55.40 | sancus | If you get kicked out and come back online |
| 01:55.41 | Amarande | sancus: unless they fix E134, but they have stated over and over that for some reason that they WON'T say, they will NOT fix E134 |
| 01:55.43 | sancus | you can always get back in |
| 01:56.04 | Amarande | E134 is a really frequent cause of people dropping out, and the only ways to get back in are to total reboot the PC or to run the repair tool (which can take 10-15 min) |
| 01:56.18 | sancus | hm I've never gotten a e134 |
| 01:56.19 | sancus | so idk |
| 01:56.27 | bleeter | which one's E134? |
| 01:56.37 | Amarande | sancus: there's apparently some or other hardware device that's causing it |
| 01:56.45 | Amarande | exactly what device is uncertain |
| 01:57.16 | Amarande | but apparently, people whose computers have *something* in common, ever since 2.4.2, have regularly, and mostly randomly gotten WoW crashes with Error 134 saying "Failed to read data" |
| 01:57.31 | sancus | I got a lot of that in wotlk alpha |
| 01:57.34 | sancus | But never on live |
| 01:57.55 | Amarande | it doesn't affect everyone, but apparently SOMETHING in 2.4.2 (which wasn't fixed in 2.4.3, and apparently Blizzard has reiterated it WILL NOT be fixed, suggesting it's an intentional feature that has this as a side effect) |
| 01:58.08 | Amarande | caused WoW to no longer be happy with PCs that have a certain other something. |
| 01:58.08 | sancus | whole center portion of dragonblight was a 134 minefield |
| 01:58.27 | Amarande | we're not at all sure what something in common these PCs have, nor why it happens |
| 01:58.30 | sancus | well |
| 01:58.41 | sancus | How can blizzard say they wont fix something that no one knows what the cause of it is? |
| 01:58.44 | Amarande | Blizzard has insisted often that it's a memory fault, but many of us have tested our memory and it comes out clean |
| 01:59.00 | Amarande | sancus: well apparently a lot of folks have called for rolling back whatever feature change it was that caused the issue to begin occurring |
| 01:59.13 | Amarande | and Blizzard won't do that, suggesting that it's something important, but for some reason they're not saying what change it was |
| 01:59.13 | sancus | well |
| 01:59.15 | bleeter | which #134 are you guys talking about? any specific, or just the group in general? |
| 01:59.18 | sancus | I see |
| 01:59.22 | Amarande | bleeter: Failed to read data |
| 01:59.29 | sancus | 'a lot of folks' is probably not significant enough for them to do it |
| 01:59.31 | Amarande | in my case, it goes away after rebooting or running the repair tool |
| 01:59.35 | sancus | I'm sure if it was a big enough percentage of people, they would do it |
| 01:59.39 | sancus | but sounds like it isnt |
| 01:59.43 | Amarande | sancus: we're talking often 10+ new threads in the tech support forum a day about the error |
| 01:59.49 | sancus | well |
| 01:59.54 | sancus | they have the real error report numbers themselves |
| 02:00.09 | sancus | If it was something affecting like 10%+ of the population, I'm sure they would consider it an emergency and immediately do something about it |
| 02:00.19 | sancus | Since it's not they probably just refuse to roll something back just for the sake of a few percent |
| 02:00.23 | sancus | and want to wait for a real bugfix instead |
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| 02:01.33 | Amarande | I do notice most of the 134 threads tend to have someone with a dual core processor, but we're not sure that's what the something in common is |
| 02:01.42 | Amarande | some others have surmised it might be ATI video cards |
| 02:01.46 | bleeter | might be something upstream from Blizz, too |
| 02:02.02 | bleeter | like that 2.2 sound issue |
| 02:02.22 | Amarande | I'm not sure what would make WoW suddenly not like dual core processors though |
| 02:02.26 | sancus | I have a dual core and never seen it |
| 02:02.29 | sancus | outside of beta |
| 02:02.34 | sancus | or alpha rather |
| 02:02.34 | Amarande | sancus: nVidia or ATI video? |
| 02:02.44 | sancus | nvidia, 2x 8800gts 512 |
| 02:02.50 | Amarande | wonder if maybe it *is* an issue with ATI video |
| 02:02.56 | Amarande | after all, they cater to the mass population |
| 02:03.02 | sancus | could be |
| 02:03.11 | Amarande | the mass population buys pre-built computers from Best Buy or Walmart, most of which seem to include a cheap nVidia GPU |
| 02:03.12 | sancus | I tend to avoid ATI video for that reason |
| 02:03.18 | sancus | as it tends to be more problematic than nvidia |
| 02:03.22 | Amarande | except for laptops, I've hardly ever seen any prebuilt PCs that have ATI |
| 02:03.27 | sancus | on the other hand |
| 02:03.33 | sancus | my laptop is dual core with ati video |
| 02:03.37 | sancus | But I dont play on it all that much... |
| 02:03.47 | Amarande | also the other night I had WoW crash out on me and wouldn't restart |
| 02:03.52 | Cide | dual core ati here |
| 02:03.54 | Amarande | when I looked in task manager WoW.exe was still running |
| 02:03.56 | Cide | no issues, ever |
| 02:04.00 | bleeter | my lappy's dualcore ATI, that plays fine (32bit XP on 64bit cores, mind you) |
| 02:04.08 | sancus | it seems like if it was something simple like dual core + ati |
| 02:04.09 | Amarande | when I tried to use taskkill to force it to die, it would say it had terminated the process but the process was still there |
| 02:04.11 | sancus | it would've been found by now |
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| 02:04.15 | Cide | yep |
| 02:04.22 | sancus | you're probably looking at something more specific |
| 02:04.27 | sancus | like a combination of 3 things, or only certain chipsets |
| 02:04.38 | Amarande | according to a sysadmin friend of mine, such a zombie process would probably be a bad video driver |
| 02:04.46 | Amarande | especially since the computer hung after I tried a few more times to taskkill it |
| 02:04.58 | sancus | I've seen WoW crash before |
| 02:05.05 | sancus | and just stay hung |
| 02:05.08 | sancus | until I end processed it |
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| 02:05.15 | Amarande | sancus: this one wouldn't even respond to end process |
| 02:05.19 | Amarande | not even to command line taskkill in Vista |
| 02:05.20 | sancus | strange |
| 02:05.28 | sancus | ah im running xp not vista |
| 02:05.33 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if Vista is one of the common factors |
| 02:05.39 | Amarande | or maybe a 3870 card |
| 02:06.00 | Amarande | but you'd think if there was a video driver defect ... more games than WoW would crash |
| 02:06.10 | Cide | dual core ati vista here, no issues :P |
| 02:06.22 | sancus | vista 64 cide?! |
| 02:06.27 | Cide | nope! |
| 02:06.30 | sancus | you arent hardcore |
| 02:06.32 | sancus | :P |
| 02:06.39 | Cide | no, I play softcore on us east |
| 02:06.46 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 02:06.52 | Cide | oh yeah baby |
| 02:06.52 | Amarande | Cide: 3870? |
| 02:07.32 | bleeter | I've been contemplating going and getting my machine it's vista install... I ditched it within 5 mins of getting the lappy 'coz it refused to update my clock for security reasons... the security reason being my clock was wrong :/ |
| 02:07.35 | Cide | uhh, I'm running x1950 |
| 02:07.42 | Cide | 512 |
| 02:08.40 | Amarande | hmm, maybe it's the 3870 ... or it could even be a motherboard in common, I'm not sure if anyone has announced their motherboard in the threads |
| 02:08.50 | Amarande | I know I get E134 occasionally and run an A8N32-SLI Deluxe |
| 02:09.12 | Amarande | could even possibly be an issue somehow with nForce4, I know there were a few subtle driver bugs with that chipset awhile back |
| 02:09.22 | Amarande | and nVidia unfortunately no longer updates nF4 drivers |
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| 02:11.13 | Amarande | ugh, it better not be nF4 drivers |
| 02:11.29 | Amarande | if it -is-, then Blizzard is basically telling us we all have to pay $500+ to play |
| 02:11.40 | Dashkal | ? |
| 02:11.53 | Dashkal | this is relivant to my interests. I have an nF4 mobo |
| 02:12.03 | Amarande | Dashkal: you get error 134 with 'failed to read data' at all? |
| 02:12.12 | Dashkal | live or beta? |
| 02:12.15 | Amarande | live |
| 02:12.28 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: thats the reason i hate nvidia mother boards, they stop updating drivers as soon as they have a better chipset out trying to force you to upgrade |
| 02:12.29 | Dashkal | logging in now |
| 02:12.37 | Amarande | Dashkal: might not happen right away |
| 02:12.47 | Amarande | some folks say they get it all the time within an hour or so of logon |
| 02:12.50 | Dashkal | Well, I've been playing quite abit since then |
| 02:12.52 | Amarande | others like me seem to get it basically at random |
| 02:13.06 | Dashkal | nothing yet |
| 02:13.21 | Arrowmaster | i have a motherboard with an nF2 chipset using mostly hacked drivers from newer boards and chipsets |
| 02:13.40 | Amarande | in any case, we're pretty sure there has to be something in particular in common hardware wise among those who get error 134's |
| 02:13.54 | Amarande | something that -specifically- makes WoW unhappy every now and then |
| 02:14.13 | Dashkal | I'll let you know if it comes up, but no, nothing like that yet |
| 02:14.13 | Lopeppeppy | Lack of chinese take out, IMO |
| 02:14.14 | Amarande | it's not a defect because a lot of the folks getting the errors have been running diagnostics and coming up clean |
| 02:14.56 | bleeter | hey, here's a totally crazy idea for testing... try running the game in Linux/Wine. If you still get it, you can be fairly certain it's hardware related. |
| 02:15.20 | Amarande | Blues have sometimes claimed that it's an individual problem with the complainant's PC, but I can't see that being the case if this many people only started getting the error after 2.4.2 came out and had WoW work perfectly before |
| 02:15.29 | Dashkal | I was gonna say. If it becomes an interest for me I'll just switch to linux/wine and ignore the drivers |
| 02:15.48 | Dashkal | since 2.4.2? Or was that a typo and you meant 2.4.3? |
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| 02:15.54 | Amarande | nope, I mean 2.4.2 |
| 02:16.02 | Dashkal | kk, then I can confirm I do not have that issue |
| 02:16.04 | bleeter | what's more, if it does still happen in linux/wine, you've got a greater chance of being able to low level diagnose yourself |
| 02:16.11 | Amarande | it was hoped that 2.4.3 would fix it, but apparently it has not |
| 02:16.45 | bleeter | would not be the first time the community has resorted to Wine to fix Blizz bugs ;) |
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| 02:32.51 | duaiwe | Protip;: a fwe beers at work, followed by a 1.5 hr bus commute without going to the bathroom first iis a bAD idea. |
| 02:34.22 | Lopeppeppy | Very bad. |
| 02:34.50 | bleeter | depends on the quality of the bus company, really ;) :P |
| 02:35.04 | bleeter | and whether you regularly take that route with them, too =)) |
| 02:35.44 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, i do. :P |
| 02:37.05 | cogwheel | can the authenticator be linked to beta accts? |
| 02:37.36 | kd3 | no |
| 02:37.40 | kd3 | been trying to |
| 02:39.35 | bleeter | lawl |
| 02:39.39 | bleeter | soz, couldn't resist |
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| 02:54.39 | Antiarc | http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4739/wowscrnshot071808175228iy6.jpg |
| 02:54.40 | Antiarc | \m/ |
| 02:54.48 | reqol | haha |
| 02:56.51 | Kaso | haste, Ha, theres one for the Ferrari |
| 02:58.50 | Adys | "AceConsole-2.0.lua:1553: attempt to call method 'gsub' (a nil value) |
| 02:58.59 | reqol | could someone help me figure out a reliable method to obtain the duration of a combo point dependant ability? |
| 02:59.17 | Adys | can someone explain me how gsub can be a nil value?>< |
| 02:59.34 | Kaso | whats it being called on |
| 02:59.42 | Kaso | someone might have reassigned string or something |
| 02:59.59 | Adys | I have absolutely no idea, its on load |
| 03:00.09 | Adys | works fine in live |
| 03:00.14 | Adys | just screws up in wlk |
| 03:00.43 | Kaso | got a link to that lua file on the net somewhere so i can see it? |
| 03:00.59 | Kaso | ill find it |
| 03:01.05 | Kaso | dont be lazy kaso |
| 03:01.47 | Iriel | gsub is definitely defined in lk |
| 03:02.36 | Adys | okay thanks Iriel |
| 03:02.59 | Adys | ive been getting weird errors on gsub and SetTextColor() |
| 03:03.04 | Iriel | that says 'method' though |
| 03:03.14 | Iriel | so look to see what the object its being called on is |
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| 03:03.34 | Kaso | reqol like you want to get how long slice and dice is gonna run for? |
| 03:03.44 | reqol | kidney shot, slice and dice, rupture, and the like |
| 03:03.59 | reqol | no druid skills atm |
| 03:04.08 | reqol | though that really shouldn't matter anyway |
| 03:04.37 | Iriel | there is some code that protects the string metatable. let me check something |
| 03:09.05 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.08 | Adys | just been talking to kaso - http://pastebin.com/m46bd592e - I also get an error on /dump :2659: attempt to call method 'trim' (a nil value) |
| 03:10.45 | Iriel | yeah, dev tools hasn't been 3.0-ified yet |
| 03:10.47 | Kaso | it seems like strings are no-longer metatabled'd to string lib, i dont how how that'd come about though |
| 03:11.30 | Iriel | there's some funky code around string, but it shouldn't be doing THAT |
| 03:12.55 | Kaso | reqol, so what you'll have to do is combine tooltip scanning of the spells with GetComboPoints() to calculate how long that spell will last for when it is cast |
| 03:12.59 | laeg | server restarts are what 5 min? |
| 03:13.05 | laeg | just got an EU server restart notice |
| 03:13.27 | Kaso | depend if something goes wrong or not ;p |
| 03:13.32 | laeg | :( |
| 03:13.40 | bleeter | usually 15 min warning, but it's not unknown for the nnouncement script to spit out 15 min warning, then realm go down 20 seconds later |
| 03:13.54 | bleeter | in dire emergencies... seems the announce script has 15 mins hardcoded in to it |
| 03:14.08 | laeg | but but but right now i'm boosting my self confidence by killing lesser skilled horde :( |
| 03:14.55 | bleeter | blizz are out to nerf your mad leet skillz |
| 03:17.22 | reqol | Kaso: thanks. still not sure what event to use, though. SPELL_AURA_APPLIED doesn't consider reapplications |
| 03:19.08 | Industrial | who can I cry at? |
| 03:19.32 | Industrial | Rediculous, imo; http://templardominion.myfreeforum.org/sutra3974.php#3974 |
| 03:19.47 | Kaso | reqol, dont you want to do something like "UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED" ? |
| 03:20.56 | Industrial | http://vashj-eu.warcrafter.net/Xamth |
| 03:24.15 | reqol | Kaso: aye, that works well. thanks |
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| 03:26.55 | Kaso | im not sure if combo points are removed before unit_spellcast_succeeded though |
| 03:27.30 | Amarande | I've never even tried a rogue, so I wouldn't know either heh |
| 03:27.44 | batrick | o man |
| 03:27.48 | batrick | dark knight was so win |
| 03:27.51 | Amarande | Rogue and warrior are two classes I just don't care for |
| 03:27.53 | bleeter | Industrial: so lemme get this right, they're not doing Kara but ZA, but because they won't let you pug/alternate group Kara, they won't take you even as a lame spare? a bit sad, aye |
| 03:27.59 | bleeter | batrick: good to hear ;) |
| 03:28.09 | batrick | it exceeded all my expectations |
| 03:28.24 | Amarande | wtf, there are guilds that gkick people who go to karapug? |
| 03:28.39 | bleeter | yar |
| 03:28.53 | batrick | o shit |
| 03:28.58 | batrick | KOTOR MMO |
| 03:29.01 | batrick | wow killer imo |
| 03:29.16 | Kaso | i think its not going to be a "full" mmo |
| 03:29.29 | Kaso | but kotor is so awesome whatever it is ill play it |
| 03:29.46 | batrick | bioware rocks |
| 03:29.55 | batrick | there's no way it won't kick wow's ass |
| 03:30.48 | reqol | Kaso: I'm guessing it's best to scan tooltips so you cover all ranks of the spell, though kidney shot is the only one I can think of that has a varied length |
| 03:31.15 | Kaso | unit_spellcast_succeeded gives you spellname and spellrank |
| 03:31.39 | Kaso | and you dont need to worry about talents cos those are automatically updated to tooltips |
| 03:32.30 | reqol | any advice on how to go about doing this? >< |
| 03:32.47 | reqol | it's actually nothing but the tooltip scanning, I've never done that before |
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| 03:33.38 | Kaso | ok well there are ways of optimising this like caching the results and updating on spellchange but; |
| 03:34.28 | Kaso | upon succeeded if the spell is one you care about, itterate over the spellbook until GetSpellInfo(i,"SPELL"); infomation matches your name and rank passed from the event |
| 03:35.06 | Kaso | then, with a tooltip youve made earlier, :SetSpell(i,"SPELL"), set owner |
| 03:35.48 | Kaso | then user TooltipNameTextLeftX:GetText() (where x is whatever number line the one you want to read is) and to a match on that to obtain the infomation you need |
| 03:35.55 | Kaso | times that by the number of combo poinyd |
| 03:36.01 | Kaso | and pow youve got it |
| 03:37.23 | reqol | know of any addon that does this already so I could take a look? |
| 03:37.34 | reqol | it's easier for me to understand by looking at the implementation |
| 03:37.50 | Kaso | there should be a howto around somewhere |
| 03:39.11 | reqol | I'm looking for one. not on wowwiki or ace |
| 03:40.27 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: ping |
| 03:40.33 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: pong |
| 03:41.27 | Arrowmaster | umm just checking but in your keySorter(k1, k2) 'elseif isReal(k1) and isReal(k2) then' should be 'elseif not isReal(k1) and not isReal(k2) then' right? |
| 03:42.04 | Shirik | ... yes |
| 03:42.08 | Arrowmaster | good |
| 03:42.33 | Kaso | reqol tooltip scanning like that is pretty generic for alot of addons, im not sure of an example off the top of my head |
| 03:42.34 | Arrowmaster | "Invalid condition in sorting function: Test of -105 vs -200" seemed odd |
| 03:43.07 | Kaso | Ace/sea/other libs prob have functions doing it that you can find, but they're never really programmed for clarity so maybe not somuch help to read the code |
| 03:43.29 | Shirik | sorry Arrowmaster :) |
| 03:43.33 | Shirik | That's why I put those asserts in |
| 03:43.50 | Shirik | My fingers go faster than my brain sometimes |
| 03:44.10 | Arrowmaster | yeah not the only thing ive changed so far |
| 03:44.10 | reqol | Kaso: I see, it shouldn't be too complex then, I'll just find the ace lib and take a look. thanks |
| 03:45.06 | Shirik | please send me back whatever you've changed :) I'd like a copy of it |
| 03:45.31 | Sixen | WHOA |
| 03:45.32 | Sixen | Hortus left>?! |
| 03:46.10 | cogwheel | Sixen: ?? |
| 03:46.19 | Sixen | He made a thread and said bye to me kd3 and duman :( |
| 03:46.26 | Sixen | That's cute, ^_^ |
| 03:46.32 | Sixen | link in a sec. |
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| 03:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | What? :( |
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| 03:49.03 | cogwheel | aww |
| 03:49.06 | cogwheel | (found it) |
| 03:51.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Wgere? |
| 03:51.05 | ScytheBlade1 | *Where |
| 03:51.20 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: im actually reversing the numbersort since positive numbers arent effected by it |
| 03:51.41 | Sixen | That was unexpected.. |
| 03:51.53 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202571322 -- Hortuses farewell thread |
| 03:52.09 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh that's what I get for checking the wrath forums first |
| 03:52.22 | Adys | bleeter: http://s4.tinypic.com/2ypkjnc.jpg |
| 03:52.29 | Adys | memleak wasnt fixed :( |
| 03:53.06 | Arrowmaster | oh hes only moving to a different team |
| 03:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 03:54.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, he's moving to the TCG |
| 03:55.00 | ScytheBlade1 | At least he really enjoys that |
| 03:55.01 | Sixen | I did the same thing sbo :( |
| 03:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 03:55.19 | Sixen | Someone said ,"Hortus left, you missed it |
| 03:55.22 | Sixen | I wasl ike wtf? Bs. |
| 03:55.27 | Lukian | ZOMBIE SEAHORSE |
| 03:55.45 | Bibi | I wouldn't want to be the one who will have to replace Hortus. |
| 03:55.50 | Bibi | comparison is going to hurt |
| 03:55.54 | ScytheBlade1 | hah |
| 03:55.59 | ScytheBlade1 | There is much truth to that statement |
| 03:56.26 | bleeter | Adys: feel free to tell me when I care (ie, if/when I have a key) ;) :P |
| 03:56.36 | Sixen | Hortus was the effing bomb. |
| 03:56.37 | Adys | 09f9... oh wait |
| 03:56.38 | Sixen | =[ |
| 03:56.50 | Adys | Wryxian ! |
| 03:56.53 | bleeter | Adys: clealy my work on the 2.2 sound issue wasn't enough to count me as valuable |
| 03:57.14 | Adys | there was sound issue in 2.2 ? |
| 03:57.23 | kd3 | there were sound issues galore |
| 03:57.39 | bleeter | directx would allow you to reference the sound dll even after you unloaded |
| 03:57.46 | Adys | talking about wow or linux here? because Ive had sound issues since... always |
| 03:57.47 | Arrowmaster | 2.2 was a whole new sound system wasnt it? |
| 03:58.00 | Sixen | Yeah, AFAIK. |
| 03:58.06 | Sixen | That introduced Voice Chat as welll |
| 03:58.08 | bleeter | from memory... and the sound thingy that they moved to had some code that tripped up the fact that sometimes this would crash out XP, other times not |
| 03:58.49 | bleeter | was only via debugging with the Wine DirectX Audio guy that he and I managed to identify the issue, and it appeared to a few of 'us' that once that issue was told to blizz, they managed (after about 6 weeks of trying to nail the issue) to get it out the door ;) |
| 03:59.53 | bleeter | it smelled to all concerned like an upstream bug. needless to say, once those guys who wrote the audio foo for WoW updated their code, a bunch of other games started working on Wine too, and not locking hard when they initialised their audio |
| 04:00.48 | bleeter | anyways, get me a key Adys and I'm more than happy to spend a week or two trying to work that problem out if it's wine or something that windows 'recovers' from in blizz's code ;) |
| 04:01.02 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: how did you run into that issue with { "1", "2", "3", nil, "5", [4]="4" }? |
| 04:01.16 | Shirik | just testing it |
| 04:01.27 | Shirik | lua> return {1,2,3,nil,5,[4]=4} |
| 04:01.27 | lua_bot | Shirik: table: 0x67f400 |
| 04:01.30 | Shirik | lua> return pp{1,2,3,nil,5,[4]=4} |
| 04:01.30 | lua_bot | Shirik: { 1, 2, 3, [5] = 5 } (#1) |
| 04:01.48 | Shirik | lua> for k,v in pairs{1,2,3,nil,5,[4]=4} do print(k) end |
| 04:01.48 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1, 2, 3, 5 |
| 04:01.54 | Shirik | I'm not sure if that's correct behavior or not |
| 04:01.57 | Shirik | I'm going to ask lhf later |
| 04:02.29 | Adys | bleeter: yeah yeah |
| 04:02.29 | Adys | :P |
| 04:02.51 | Arrowmaster | i noticed the blizzard saved var writer is putting nils in the array it seems to try and keep it an array although it does have a limit to the number of nils it will put in a row |
| 04:03.04 | Iriel | It's trying to follow the lua rules |
| 04:03.12 | reqol | would it be better to scan spells at load and then just cache the results for that login session? |
| 04:03.49 | bleeter | Adys: actualy, hang on.. for you, I'll be nice. Don't need the key to install, and now you're out of NDA we can talk about it publicly so lack of a key for me, whilst ... annoying... won't hinder any investigation of potential leaks in the installer |
| 04:03.56 | bleeter | so all I need is an installer, I guess |
| 04:04.22 | Adys | you too sound like a character right out of the matrix |
| 04:04.37 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I just count from 1 to the first nil. Anything after that is handled separately |
| 04:04.46 | Shirik | which is slightly different from WoW, but a guaranteed behavior |
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| 04:05.44 | Adys | weird |
| 04:05.56 | Adys | it seems lvl0 mobs return the level of the charlvl |
| 04:06.36 | Arrowmaster | there are lvl0 mobs? |
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| 04:09.36 | Amarande | I think I've seen a lvl0 mob somewhere, but I can't remember exactly where |
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| 04:20.07 | Sixen | Is there a specific w to open up a new channel on here? |
| 04:20.13 | Sixen | Or just /join #randomchannel |
| 04:20.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That |
| 04:20.42 | Iriel | kaso : Does Ace try to be 'clever' and do getmetatable("somestring")._index instead of using string directly? |
| 04:21.11 | Sixen | So if everyone left this channel and I joined it, i'd automatically be an op? |
| 04:21.22 | Shirik | no |
| 04:21.31 | Shirik | this channel is registered |
| 04:21.59 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Kevin@12.206.135.48) |
| 04:22.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Kevin@12.206.135.48) |
| 04:22.14 | Sixen | oops |
| 04:22.18 | Sixen | But yeah, how do you register a channel? |
| 04:23.25 | Shirik | /cs help register |
| 04:25.23 | Sixen | Unknown command. |
| 04:25.35 | Shirik | try /quote cs help register |
| 04:25.40 | NightHawkTheSane | "/chanserv" |
| 04:25.41 | Shirik | and get a less fail client :P |
| 04:25.44 | NightHawkTheSane | or "/msg chanserv" |
| 04:25.49 | Shirik | msg chanserv is bad :P |
| 04:25.51 | Sixen | ;) |
| 04:25.57 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough, although why? |
| 04:26.11 | Shirik | Well I don't know what protections freenode has, they may be safe from it |
| 04:26.22 | NightHawkTheSane | would /query chanserv be any better? |
| 04:26.35 | Shirik | but on some servers, in the event of a netsplit or whatever, some people have a tendency to take over the *Serv nicks in an attempt to get passwords, etc. |
| 04:26.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 04:26.48 | Shirik | the /ns and /cs commands go to the server directly |
| 04:26.49 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enouogh |
| 04:26.56 | Shirik | and it's not /query, it's /quote (literal command) |
| 04:27.05 | Shirik | or /literal on some clients |
| 04:27.21 | Shirik | again, Freenode might protect from these things, I don't know their software |
| 04:27.23 | Sixen | That worked, =) |
| 04:27.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, /query may be something x-chat does, opens a separate window for msgs. wasn't sure what "it" was you were referring to, so |
| 04:27.54 | Shirik | you can use /quote to do literal commands, like /quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev: Hello everyone |
| 04:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i know what quote does |
| 04:29.23 | Sixen | Alright, cool... #WoWQA is up now. |
| 04:29.24 | Sixen | keke |
| 04:29.31 | Sixen | I've just been joining the channel unregistered. |
| 04:29.49 | Shirik | eh, that channel might be against freenode policies |
| 04:30.02 | Shirik | imo it should be ##WoWQA -- but I'm actually curious why you made that channel |
| 04:30.12 | Shirik | i.e., what its purpose is |
| 04:30.17 | Amarande | meh, we'll let the opers sort that out I guess |
| 04:30.26 | Sixen | what? |
| 04:30.28 | Sixen | Why ##? |
| 04:30.33 | Amarande | I was going to say lilo and then I remembered that lilo's been dead for almost two years now :( |
| 04:31.06 | Shirik | Because it indicates that it is not a channel officially affiliated with wow |
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| 04:31.12 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 04:31.27 | Sixen | oh? |
| 04:31.37 | Shirik | ## is an "about" channel |
| 04:31.44 | Shirik | for example, see ##c++ |
| 04:31.55 | Shirik | that was created by people that aren't on the standards committee of C++ |
| 04:31.58 | bleeter | ##australia |
| 04:32.07 | Sixen | oh? So why is this #wowuidev instead of ## |
| 04:32.11 | bleeter | which is a hang out for aussie freenode |
| 04:32.28 | Shirik | because Cairenn owns the wowuidev group :) |
| 04:32.51 | bleeter | the rules of the chan are for the devs, not for people to talk about the devs |
| 04:32.53 | Sixen | So why can't I own the wowqa group, =o |
| 04:33.04 | Shirik | submit a GCF :D |
| 04:33.06 | bleeter | well, people talking about the devs happen, but it's not exclusive for them, or the devs |
| 04:33.12 | Shirik | But anyway, it's not important |
| 04:33.14 | Shirik | just a random comment |
| 04:33.19 | Shirik | but really I'm curious about the channel |
| 04:33.24 | Sixen | Lawl, I won't get in trouble, will I? |
| 04:33.29 | Shirik | unlikely |
| 04:33.43 | Shirik | and so what if you do |
| 04:33.51 | Shirik | Freenode asks you to go to ##wowqa and you do |
| 04:33.56 | Sixen | Oh, alright. |
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| 04:34.18 | bleeter | omg wow irc is taking over freenode! lolz |
| 04:34.23 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:34.26 | Shirik | But answer the question!! |
| 04:34.59 | Sixen | oh |
| 04:35.13 | Sixen | I figured we could use it for QA Forum stuff.. PTR/TTR/Bug Report |
| 04:35.24 | Shirik | there's a QA forum? |
| 04:35.31 | Sixen | QA Forums are PTR/TTR/Bug Report |
| 04:35.36 | Shirik | ah |
| 04:35.48 | Sixen | There's a WoWCSF for the CSF forums. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a wowtech or something |
| 04:35.59 | Sixen | And there isn't. lawl. |
| 04:40.10 | reqol | is there any way to get the rank out of SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS? |
| 04:41.16 | bleeter | quick question about the authenticator, does it also link to forum logins? |
| 04:41.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Kevin@12.206.135.48) |
| 04:41.54 | cogwheel | nope |
| 04:41.56 | Shirik | bleeter: iirc no |
| 04:42.22 | bleeter | ok, thanks... might pass on the false sense of security then ;) |
| 04:42.43 | cogwheel | huh? |
| 04:42.51 | Shirik | ......... wtf? |
| 04:43.00 | Shirik | So I just logged into my WoW account admin page for the first time in like 2 years |
| 04:43.05 | cogwheel | even if they get your user name and password, the worst they can do is get you forum banned... |
| 04:43.10 | Shirik | and I see my credit card on there, that hsa been billed for the last few months, which I expect |
| 04:43.18 | Shirik | And on it is listed "Expiration date: 02/08" |
| 04:43.21 | cogwheel | and even then, account admin will undo it if they find it was indeed a compromise |
| 04:43.45 | cogwheel | i don't see where you get false sense of security from the fact that they won't be able to log in or change your password... |
| 04:44.11 | Sixen | What the hell.. |
| 04:44.19 | Sixen | Invitation only |
| 04:44.20 | Sixen | Joining #wowqa requires an invitation. |
| 04:44.20 | Sixen | lol? |
| 04:44.33 | Shirik | you have +i set |
| 04:44.41 | Shirik | (00:41:47)  -› ChanServ (+im-o+o) kd3 Sixen |
| 04:44.55 | reqol | just rephrasing: is there any way to get the rank of the spell cast out of SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS? |
| 04:46.37 | bleeter | cogwheel: oh, account management is inaccesible without the authenticator too? my bad then |
| 04:47.36 | Shirik | that would kinda defeat the purpose if it wasn't, bleeter :P |
| 04:47.39 | cogwheel | well if you didn't realize account management would be inaccessible, then why were you worried about the forums? :P |
| 04:48.57 | cogwheel | <3 |
| 04:49.25 | Shirik | ok, pro tip: If you're going to add a capability to your email system such that it takes you to a "redirect page" before taking you to a link |
| 04:49.36 | Shirik | and Sixen, I would say yes, but you still have +m up |
| 04:49.42 | Shirik | so back to that pro tip |
| 04:49.45 | Sixen | :( |
| 04:49.52 | ScytheBlade1 | #wowqa eh |
| 04:50.01 | Shirik | if you add a redirect page, make sure the link that the user clicked on FITS SO THEY ACTUALLY GET TO THE RIGHT PAGE |
| 04:50.07 | Shirik | &%*(# |
| 04:50.08 | Sixen | keke |
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| 04:57.48 | Seerah | Okay, I'm completely confuzzled.... I have a statusbar timer counting down for frost nova duration. It shows correctly and counts down for the first frost nova, but any subsequent frost nova's, it's nowhere to be seen :( Any thoughts? |
| 04:58.15 | Shirik | are you reapplying frost nova before it expires? |
| 04:58.32 | Seerah | no |
| 04:58.54 | Shirik | did Sixen touch it |
| 04:59.01 | Sixen | If it's broken, probably. |
| 04:59.03 | Sixen | :( |
| 04:59.06 | Shirik | :) |
| 04:59.30 | Seerah | hehe :) here's the relevant code: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91584-1gm1 |
| 04:59.51 | Shirik | does the "WTF" still show up? |
| 04:59.56 | Seerah | I *do* get the debug message |
| 04:59.57 | Seerah | yes |
| 05:00.29 | Shirik | I see your problem |
| 05:00.33 | Seerah | ? |
| 05:00.35 | Arrowmaster | oh boo i broke the folding in SciTE with --[[ ... --[=[ --]] ... --]=] |
| 05:00.39 | Shirik | it IS showing up |
| 05:00.47 | Shirik | but for a millisecond |
| 05:00.57 | Shirik | wait, no that shouldn't be it |
| 05:01.04 | Seerah | oh! |
| 05:01.05 | Shirik | wait yeah it is |
| 05:01.08 | Shirik | you mistyped the name |
| 05:01.09 | Seerah | I forgot to set counter to 0 again |
| 05:01.22 | Shirik | wait no you didn't |
| 05:01.42 | Seerah | frBar is the status bar, frBarBG is the background frame |
| 05:01.44 | Shirik | ah yeah, that'll do it Seerah |
| 05:01.46 | Shirik | I was close! |
| 05:01.48 | Seerah | :) |
| 05:01.52 | Seerah | thanks Shirik :) |
| 05:01.58 | Shirik | if you call that help |
| 05:02.00 | Shirik | welcome :) |
| 05:02.05 | Shirik | that was pretty bad, lol |
| 05:02.54 | Seerah | nah :) |
| 05:03.16 | Seerah | you did help with the millisecond bit :) |
| 05:05.02 | Sixen | So what is this GCF you speak of? |
| 05:05.17 | Shirik | GCF? |
| 05:05.19 | Seerah | ? |
| 05:05.19 | Shirik | that sounds familiar |
| 05:05.57 | Shirik | why does that sound so familiar... |
| 05:06.07 | Sixen | You said it? o_O |
| 05:06.11 | Shirik | I did? |
| 05:06.12 | Shirik | where? |
| 05:06.23 | Shirik | oh right! |
| 05:06.26 | Sixen | (9:31:02 PM) Shirik: submit a GCF :D |
| 05:06.26 | Shirik | group contact form |
| 05:06.27 | Sixen | keke |
| 05:06.57 | batrick | !ping |
| 05:06.57 | batbot | batrick: pong! |
| 05:07.02 | Sixen | lol |
| 05:07.12 | Shirik | batrick thought I killed batbot again? |
| 05:07.15 | Shirik | I almost did! |
| 05:07.17 | batrick | no |
| 05:07.22 | batrick | thought my internet di3d |
| 05:07.24 | batrick | my wow is dead |
| 05:07.30 | Shirik | I'll kill batbot again |
| 05:07.31 | batrick | prob gonna wipe now /sigh |
| 05:07.36 | batrick | gl |
| 05:07.37 | Shirik | however, qq @ this: |
| 05:08.07 | Shirik | batbot: function foo() local s, e = pcall(foo); if not s then print(e) end end foo() |
| 05:08.15 | Shirik | --> function foo() local s, e = pcall(foo); if not s then print(e) end end foo() |
| 05:08.15 | batbot | Shirik: ead shirik |
| 05:08.33 | batrick | batbot knows who's naughty and who's nice |
| 05:08.37 | batrick | batbot: amirite? |
| 05:08.38 | batbot | batrick, My sources say no. |
| 05:08.42 | Shirik | owned imo |
| 05:09.04 | Shirik | should code in some way for you to force a response, imo |
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| 05:22.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Fersinji (n=Administ@190.154.104.149) |
| 05:23.22 | Shirik | Looking at this git install, and portage complained about the configuration files, so I'm like "Ok, let's see" and run a diff on the two |
| 05:23.25 | Shirik | and here's what it wants to do |
| 05:23.28 | Shirik | < ebegin "Stopping git-daemon" |
| 05:23.28 | Shirik | --- |
| 05:23.28 | Shirik | > ebegin "Stoping git-daemon" |
| 05:23.31 | Shirik | ... who did that, seriously |
| 05:23.45 | Sixen | srsly. |
| 05:23.47 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 05:23.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 05:25.15 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:25.18 | Shirik | emerge world is not happy with me :( |
| 05:25.28 | Shirik | Total: 45 packages (42 upgrades, 3 new, 2 blocks), Size of downloads: 45,834 kB |
| 05:27.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Behold why I haven't updated my desktop in forever |
| 05:27.11 | Fersinji | dup |
| 05:27.14 | Fersinji | sup |
| 05:27.48 | Shirik | ok, I'm not understanding this |
| 05:28.06 | Shirik | [blocks B ] >=sys-apps/coreutils-6.10 (is blocking sys-apps/mktemp-1.5) |
| 05:28.08 | Shirik | li23-154 init.d # emerge --depclean --verbose =sys-apps/coreutils-6.10 |
| 05:28.08 | Shirik | >>> No packages selected for removal by depclean |
| 05:28.21 | Shirik | ..? |
| 05:28.28 | bleeter | behold the leetness and powah of gentoo! |
| 05:29.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey Shirik |
| 05:29.23 | Shirik | hi ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Total: 545 packages (525 upgrades, 2 downgrades, 15 new, 3 in new slots, 6 blocks), Size of downloads: 1,170,132 kB |
| 05:29.31 | Shirik | rofl |
| 05:29.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ my desktop |
| 05:29.43 | Shirik | at least you have 2 downgrades |
| 05:29.53 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan_L@adsl-177-39-121.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:29.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:30.32 | bleeter | man, you guys just missed some classic 'fail' in CSF.. someone posted a fake keylogger in general, got banned. so his mate comes into CSF, quotes the post... complains with expletives, thread gets deleted and banned. Third and fourth guy come along to complain... I think at least 3 is prolly having a vacation right now, would seem 4 is ok |
| 05:30.48 | bleeter | lol but one is back now wondering if it'll stop 1 from getting into beta =)) |
| 05:31.10 | Fersinji | thats awesome |
| 05:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://pastey.net/91590 |
| 05:31.16 | Fersinji | classic |
| 05:31.30 | bleeter | and these guys were all 'it's a stupid <> reason gg <> moron blizz staff' etc. etc. |
| 05:31.37 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:31.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: mind you, I haven't synched in a month either |
| 05:31.41 | Shirik | have fun with all that kde stuff |
| 05:31.58 | ScytheBlade1 | even if you cut that out I have hundreds |
| 05:32.00 | Sixen | keke |
| 05:32.08 | Sixen | Even worse now, bleeter, we get to keylog ourselves. |
| 05:32.14 | Sixen | We have to copy/paste it into our browser. |
| 05:32.22 | ScytheBlade1 | But part of that reason, Shirik, is that I have both KDE 3.5 and 4.0 installed |
| 05:32.23 | Shirik | oh look, ScytheBlade1! |
| 05:32.26 | Shirik | How familiar! |
| 05:32.28 | Shirik | 554[blocks B ] sys-apps/mktemp (is blocking sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2) |
| 05:32.28 | Shirik | 555[blocks B ] >=sys-apps/coreutils-6.10 (is blocking sys-apps/mktemp-1.5) |
| 05:32.30 | Shirik | that's from you |
| 05:32.33 | Sixen | lol |
| 05:32.37 | Shirik | [blocks B ] sys-apps/mktemp (is blocking sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2) |
| 05:32.37 | Shirik | [blocks B ] >=sys-apps/coreutils-6.10 (is blocking sys-apps/mktemp-1.5) |
| 05:32.39 | Shirik | that's from me! |
| 05:32.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:32.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm synching now |
| 05:33.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Just for entertainment |
| 05:33.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I just like how I get to download at least a gig of source code |
| 05:34.08 | Shirik | yeah that was pretty hot |
| 05:34.24 | Thunder_Child | "Miley Ray Cyrus (born Destiny Hope Cyrus)" huh, a star chanign their name to something normal....go figure |
| 05:34.30 | Shirik | let's assume the average line of source code is 60 characters |
| 05:34.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's not assume anything :P |
| 05:34.42 | Shirik | lua> 1024^3 / 60 |
| 05:34.42 | lua_bot | Shirik: 17895697.066667 |
| 05:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus uh |
| 05:34.56 | Shirik | 18 million lines of code |
| 05:34.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's compressed |
| 05:35.02 | Shirik | oh is it |
| 05:35.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:35.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^ |
| 05:35.26 | ScytheBlade1 | 18 million is nothing |
| 05:35.37 | Shirik | and yeah, it's probably closer to 50 million then |
| 05:35.49 | Shirik | source code compresses well |
| 05:35.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It's likely 100+ million |
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| 05:37.10 | Dreagar | Evenin everyone! |
| 05:37.21 | Dreagar | i'm havin a lil problem. hehe. |
| 05:37.39 | bleeter | lawl http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202611851&sid=1 |
| 05:37.44 | bleeter | those craaazy guys =)) |
| 05:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, Shirik, guess what profile I'm using! |
| 05:38.26 | bleeter | ~asktoask |
| 05:38.27 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 05:38.28 | Shirik | ...... lol bleeter |
| 05:38.30 | bleeter | Dreagar: ^^ |
| 05:38.35 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1? |
| 05:38.38 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.38 | Dreagar | GetNumQuestLogRewards doesn't show that there's any item rewards on quests that obviously do have them? :( |
| 05:38.39 | Shirik | ARM? |
| 05:38.42 | Shirik | oh nice |
| 05:38.45 | Dreagar | any input? |
| 05:38.57 | ScytheBlade1 | In either case |
| 05:38.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Total: 559 packages (537 upgrades, 2 downgrades, 16 new, 4 in new slots, 6 blocks), Size of downloads: 1,296,171 kB |
| 05:39.07 | cogwheel | bleeter: still say you're a bit trigger happy on the ~asktoask there... |
| 05:39.11 | cogwheel | :P |
| 05:39.23 | Shirik | grats, no extra blocks |
| 05:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | !api GetNumQuestLogRewards |
| 05:40.22 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetNumQuestLogRewards' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetNumQuestLogRewards |
| 05:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | That seems straight forward |
| 05:42.44 | Dreagar | it sure does! i ahve a loop that goes thru the quest log, and every quest it finds. i do another loop to find how many rewards tehre are using that method. but usin a debug says that there's zero rewards for instance on a quest that in game lets you choose between 3 rewards.. |
| 05:43.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/docs/mzbots_wisdom.xml |
| 05:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: or in short, unmerge mktemp |
| 05:43.35 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Beta opt-in: https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/beta-opt-in.html || Author Key Give-Away! http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17207 |
| 05:43.35 | Shirik | unmerge? not depclean? |
| 05:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | "remove it" |
| 05:44.24 | Shirik | ty <3 |
| 05:44.38 | Shirik | yey, no blocks Total: 45 packages (42 upgrades, 3 new), Size of downloads: 45,834 kB |
| 05:44.39 | Dreagar | is there another method that shows the number of rewards? or should just try to pull out the rewards anyways? |
| 05:44.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: win |
| 05:44.59 | Fersinji | thats cool |
| 05:45.01 | Fersinji | congrats |
| 05:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 05:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | " * Sorry, only active authors may apply for a beta key. We have detected that your AddOn has not been updated since the 2.4 patch. Please update your AddOn and visit this page once it's approved by an admin. |
| 05:45.08 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 05:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I should do something with mine |
| 05:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Even if all they are is version bumps |
| 05:45.21 | Cairenn | you guys knew we wouldn't let you down :) |
| 05:45.54 | zeroay | Does it matter if the email our WoWI account is on isn't the same as the WoW - or is that just so blizzard can send an email |
| 05:45.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: odd, thought I asked you to nuke this entirely: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5694-ExtendCombatLogRange.html |
| 05:46.00 | ScytheBlade1 | (If you would be so kind) |
| 05:46.05 | Dreagar | there's GetNumQuestChoices, but it seems like that only works for the gossip window? |
| 05:46.08 | Shirik | you want it nuked? |
| 05:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Gone |
| 05:46.13 | Shirik | wait, why? |
| 05:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It's... useless now |
| 05:46.19 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: gone |
| 05:46.22 | ScytheBlade1 | There is no combat log range cvars now :) |
| 05:46.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
| 05:46.25 | ScytheBlade1 | *are no |
| 05:46.37 | Shirik | yes there is ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:46.43 | Shirik | they might not do anything, but they're there |
| 05:46.47 | ScytheBlade1 | All of the ones it changes were deleted ;) |
| 05:46.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Or made entirely irrelevant ;) |
| 05:46.56 | Cairenn | zeroay: that's covered in the post ;) |
| 05:47.25 | zeroay | eh yea I see it now |
| 05:47.30 | zeroay | I clicked sign up too fast :p |
| 05:47.36 | bleeter | does getting Wine patched qualify as an 'author'? :P |
| 05:47.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:47.59 | bleeter | actually, I tell a lie.. I didn't get wine patched, I got wow's audio subsystem patched :P |
| 05:48.21 | bleeter | haha, Rey seems to think those idiots won't get into the beta.. nice one :) |
| 05:48.29 | bleeter | *<GM Reythur> |
| 05:48.43 | Shirik | tbh, why should they |
| 05:48.55 | Shirik | wahhh |
| 05:48.56 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:49.09 | Shirik | my server is beeping at me |
| 05:49.09 | Shirik | over and over |
| 05:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Er? |
| 05:49.10 | Dreagar | ok, i see. gonna have to use both. lame |
| 05:49.40 | Shirik | I dunno it stopped |
| 05:49.48 | Shirik | but I saw "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make a note of this" and then it scrolled off |
| 05:50.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:50.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Once your emerge is done it'll be printed on the bottom |
| 05:50.08 | bleeter | Shirik: do you wanna see the beta forum full of 'fake' keyloggers, or people with the mentality of posting that kinda stuff is OK, or that if they get an account action they're gunna spam 'waaa' everywhere? ;) |
| 05:50.52 | Shirik | uh, bleeter? |
| 05:51.11 | bleeter | oh, was your 'tbh..' not directe to me? |
| 05:51.13 | bleeter | d |
| 05:51.29 | Shirik | "tbh, why should they?" |
| 05:51.37 | Shirik | as in they shouldn't get in :P |
| 05:52.13 | bleeter | oh, haha, silly enEN ;) |
| 05:52.48 | bleeter | no, actually, silly bleeter for failing to read what he himself posted |
| 05:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, win |
| 05:52.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm person #4 to sign up for that |
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| 05:53.47 | Shirik | well that was odd |
| 05:53.49 | Shirik | what was my quit message? |
| 05:53.57 | Shirik | I hate brighthouse so much.... |
| 05:54.01 | Shirik | ladies and gentlemen, this is why monopolies are bad |
| 05:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | 01:52 -!- Shirik [i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] |
| 05:54.30 | bleeter | Cairenn: serious question about your promotion. How do you plan to handle authors of stuff like auctioneer, where there's 10-15 authors and no one specific person? |
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| 05:54.52 | Cairenn | well, the majority of you have other mods as well, so .... |
| 05:55.05 | Dolby | ppl can be entered manually if needed |
| 05:55.20 | Shirik | omg, Dolby speaks! |
| 05:55.26 | Cairenn | and if not, then we handle it on a case by case basis, with discussion with the Auctioneer admins |
| 05:55.27 | bleeter | rightio, I'll pass the info on to MP and stuff, let them dish out to you guys any info that's needed |
| 05:55.29 | Dolby | i spoke yesterday too =p |
| 05:55.42 | cogwheel | such injustice! |
| 05:56.23 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:56.24 | cogwheel | i can has sleep tiem nao |
| 05:56.26 | Dolby | lol |
| 05:56.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me 3 |
| 05:56.38 | Cairenn | night cog|sleep |
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| 05:58.25 | bleeter | gnight cog|sleep rest well mate |
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| 06:10.10 | Shirik | --> for k,v in pairs(debug) do print(k..":"..tostring(v).." ") end |
| 06:10.10 | batbot | Shirik: getupvalue:function: 0x80c9ae8 shareupvalue:function: 0x80c9aa8 sethook:function: 0x80a9468 getmetatable:function: 0x80c4988 gethook:function: 0x80ff740 setmetatable:function: 0x80c4900 setlocal:function: 0x80c9a20 traceback:function: ...(tldr) |
| 06:12.12 | Arrowmaster | muahahaha |
| 06:12.15 | Arrowmaster | it works |
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| 06:13.17 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, where did you hear that the blizzcon beta key was for the "next" beta? |
| 06:13.24 | Arrowmaster | *.lua being sorted by lua.exe with the help of sort.lua and LuaDump.lua, *.wtf being sorted by sort.exe and, AddOns.txt being sorted by sort.exe |
| 06:20.18 | Shirik | batrick, you are so mean to me |
| 06:20.35 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child ? |
| 06:20.47 | batrick | whatd i do now |
| 06:20.52 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, werent you the one that said that? |
| 06:20.55 | Shirik | (02:19:39) (Shirik) --> evilstring = "\nTest"; debug.setmetatable(evilstring, {}) |
| 06:20.55 | Shirik | (02:19:40) (batbot) Shirik: @ [string " evilstring = "\nTest"; debug.setmetatable(..."]:1: cannot modify protected metatable |
| 06:21.01 | Fisker- | no it's for this beta |
| 06:21.26 | Thunder_Child | didnt you say that it was for "the next avaliable beta" |
| 06:21.34 | Fisker- | Yeah, and that's this one |
| 06:21.36 | Arrowmaster | blizzard said that i thought |
| 06:21.40 | Thunder_Child | where did you hear this> |
| 06:21.47 | Fisker- | Where do you think? |
| 06:21.51 | Fisker- | Blizzard of course |
| 06:22.07 | Thunder_Child | just wondering, cuse the card doesnt say that |
| 06:23.28 | Thunder_Child | actually, it says for a future unannounce blizzard title |
| 06:23.44 | Thunder_Child | s/nce/nced/ |
| 06:24.33 | batrick | shirik owned imo |
| 06:24.37 | batrick | ~failrik |
| 06:24.37 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 06:24.44 | Shirik | thing I hate about your sandbox batrick |
| 06:25.04 | Shirik | I know I'm causing your environment to error, but it refuses to tell me what the error is, so I have no idea if I'm on the right track or not :( |
| 06:27.54 | Fisker- | ~kiss Shirik |
| 06:27.55 | purl | ACTION forces Shirik to give quoin a big kiss on the forhead |
| 06:30.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: ping |
| 06:30.58 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: pong |
| 06:32.15 | Dashkal | so does this mean I should do my lil radial menu action bar thing in a damn quick hurry? :p |
| 06:32.50 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 06:32.54 | Fisker- | then send it to me Dashkal |
| 06:32.56 | Fisker- | and don't upload it |
| 06:32.58 | Dashkal | rofl |
| 06:33.03 | Fisker- | i'll take care of the rest :o |
| 06:33.38 | Cairenn | Adys: ping? |
| 06:34.07 | batrick | cairenn how are the beta invites handled? |
| 06:34.13 | batrick | does blizzard just pick from the pool ? |
| 06:34.17 | Cairenn | batrick: no |
| 06:34.32 | Cairenn | same as last time - if you are an author with an updated mod on our site, you get a key |
| 06:34.34 | Cairenn | period |
| 06:34.42 | batrick | wow nice =) |
| 06:34.46 | Fisker- | you already got keys btw? |
| 06:34.54 | Thunder_Child | *cough* read the post *cough* |
| 06:35.11 | Fisker- | *cough* have read the post *cough* |
| 06:35.17 | Thunder_Child | mpt upi |
| 06:35.23 | Thunder_Child | wow... i meant to say not you |
| 06:35.32 | Cairenn | I think he was talking to batrick |
| 06:35.38 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 06:35.48 | Cairenn | Fisker-: no - the first set of names will be sent to Blizz on the 28th |
| 06:35.58 | Cairenn | and they will send out keys ... whenever ... after that |
| 06:36.05 | Fisker- | ok :P |
| 06:36.14 | Cairenn | I'll be sending in a batch every monday after that |
| 06:36.49 | batrick | i think that's awesome |
| 06:37.00 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 06:37.05 | batrick | i didn't get into TBC beta |
| 06:37.19 | Cairenn | it went over so well last time, and made it so much easier for authors, that we couldn't not do it this time |
| 06:37.26 | Cairenn | and luckily, Blizzard agreed |
| 06:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: technically there were problems :) |
| 06:37.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: I remember you being very stressed for several days :) |
| 06:37.58 | Cairenn | oh, I know, and that'll likely happen again this time |
| 06:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | (Due to no fault of your own) |
| 06:38.10 | Cairenn | but it still makes it easier for everyone else |
| 06:38.18 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe, yup |
| 06:39.05 | Cairenn | Blizz hadn't been looking forward to the CS nightmare they were going to have over mods last expansion, but because of us running this with them last time, it didn't happen |
| 06:39.12 | Cairenn | so of course they were happy to do it again |
| 06:39.41 | Fisker- | http://www.livevideo.com/video/warrior-of-light/AC7B611FAB5F4B08B5DD41E81E2FA7C5/alien-behind-bush-you-decide.aspx <-lol |
| 06:39.54 | Fisker- | I'm seeing bomberman more than i see aliens |
| 06:40.15 | batrick | well |
| 06:40.27 | batrick | afaik, there aren't any large mod changes in wotlk? |
| 06:40.36 | batrick | so this is just being nice to us i guess :) |
| 06:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick: you have the this/self conversion |
| 06:40.47 | batrick | eh, most have converted I thought |
| 06:40.53 | ScytheBlade1 | No :) |
| 06:40.58 | Fisker- | whats up with that btw? |
| 06:41.06 | batrick | I still have a couple this references floating around in Spellcraft |
| 06:41.10 | batrick | I've gotten rid of most of them |
| 06:42.12 | Shirik | batrick, what's "printme"? |
| 06:42.15 | Fisker- | you must know! |
| 06:42.21 | Fisker- | why self instead of this :o |
| 06:42.31 | batrick | it's a table that holds the result of each call to print |
| 06:42.39 | Shirik | hm |
| 06:42.54 | batrick | my updated sandbox was linked in lua-l if you are looking at an old one |
| 06:43.07 | batrick | http://unm.edu/~batrick/files/sandbox.lua |
| 06:43.20 | Shirik | I'm not looking at anything |
| 06:43.23 | Shirik | except the results from batbot |
| 06:43.34 | batrick | how'd you get a look at printme through batbot lol? |
| 06:43.38 | Shirik | >.> |
| 06:43.41 | Shirik | <.< |
| 06:43.45 | reqol | where can I find a list of spell IDs? |
| 06:43.48 | Shirik | Must act quick before batrick stops me! |
| 06:44.29 | batrick | o jesus |
| 06:44.45 | Shirik | noooooooooo |
| 06:44.46 | batrick | no more of that :P |
| 06:44.48 | Shirik | I was so close |
| 06:44.50 | Shirik | qqqqqqqqq |
| 06:45.07 | Shirik | like that batrick? :) |
| 06:45.42 | Shirik | you have to admit that was clever :) |
| 06:46.41 | batrick | im still trying to figure out what you did |
| 06:46.48 | Shirik | it was clever! |
| 06:46.52 | batrick | hrm |
| 06:47.16 | Shirik | Put it back on, I want to see if I can do what I wanted to do :( |
| 06:47.16 | batrick | I forgot to add begin to my secure functions |
| 06:47.17 | batrick | oops =) |
| 06:47.34 | Fisker- | ~kiss Shirik |
| 06:47.35 | purl | ACTION forces Shirik to give tlund a big kiss on the hand |
| 06:47.37 | Shirik | I was browsing through those variable names |
| 06:47.41 | Shirik | and I was like "these look interesting" |
| 06:47.46 | Shirik | ESPECIALLY when I saw one named "task" |
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| 06:48.48 | batrick | ya :P |
| 06:48.50 | Shirik | <3 you batrick, I do this only to protect you |
| 06:48.53 | Shirik | and out of boredom :) |
| 06:49.14 | batrick | !lua setmetatable({}, {__tostring=function() return debug.getinfo(3).name end}) |
| 06:49.14 | batbot | batrick: > |
| 06:49.18 | batrick | !lua setmetatable({}, {__tostring=function() return debug.getinfo(4).name end}) |
| 06:49.19 | batbot | batrick: > |
| 06:49.22 | batrick | :S |
| 06:49.50 | Arrowmaster | does wowi support multiple authors on a single project? |
| 06:49.59 | Thunder_Child | reqol, isnt it personal to the book? |
| 06:50.01 | batrick | !lua setmetatable({}, {__tostring=function() return debug.getinfo(3).name end}) |
| 06:50.01 | batbot | batrick: > |
| 06:50.04 | Cairenn | Antiarc, Arrowmaster: (2008-07-19 01:54:27) bleeter: Cairenn: serious question about your promotion. How do you plan to handle authors of stuff like auctioneer, where there's 10-15 authors and no one specific person? |
| 06:50.04 | Cairenn | (2008-07-19 01:54:50) Cairenn: well, the majority of you have other mods as well, so .... |
| 06:50.04 | Cairenn | (2008-07-19 01:55:03) Dolby: ppl can be entered manually if needed |
| 06:50.04 | Cairenn | (2008-07-19 01:55:23) Cairenn: and if not, then we handle it on a case by case basis, with discussion with the Auctioneer admins |
| 06:50.18 | Cairenn | same applies here as well |
| 06:50.24 | Shirik | batrick: You blocked the variables though |
| 06:50.29 | Shirik | debug.getinfo doesn't really do much |
| 06:50.38 | Thunder_Child | reqol, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip_SetSpell |
| 06:51.04 | batrick | ya, well, that func name should be "begin" |
| 06:51.07 | batrick | but whatever |
| 06:51.24 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: so we dont have to 'cheat' right now? |
| 06:51.40 | batrick | wait |
| 06:51.42 | batrick | o |
| 06:51.47 | batrick | damn that was clever |
| 06:51.57 | Shirik | hm? |
| 06:52.16 | batrick | I always assumed I wouldn't have to worry about code being run in my thread |
| 06:52.19 | AnduinLothar | yay pallies are hella broken |
| 06:52.30 | AnduinLothar | we're gonna be nurfed so hard |
| 06:52.39 | batrick | Shirik: you hsould play with that more there are probably other problems with it |
| 06:52.40 | Fisker- | hah |
| 06:52.43 | Fisker- | buff paladins |
| 06:52.48 | Shirik | I'm still seeing some strange behavior |
| 06:52.48 | AnduinLothar | Anduinreborn's Judgement of the Martyr hits Scourged Footman for 3350 Holy.(Critical) |
| 06:52.48 | AnduinLothar | Anduinreborn's Judgement of the Martyr hits Anduinreborn for 1116 Holy. |
| 06:52.49 | AnduinLothar | Anduinreborn gains 1868 Mana from Anduinreborn's Judgements of the Wise |
| 06:52.52 | Shirik | so I'm playing around with it :) |
| 06:53.03 | AnduinLothar | broken |
| 06:53.08 | Fisker- | never heard of those judgements |
| 06:53.13 | AnduinLothar | beta |
| 06:53.21 | Fisker- | i figured that out |
| 06:53.27 | Fisker- | but they weren't mentioned? |
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| 06:54.48 | AnduinLothar | Myrter is Blood for alliance |
| 06:54.57 | AnduinLothar | Wise is mana back from attacks on mobs with judgements |
| 06:55.05 | sancus | AnduinLothar: That's no 20k! |
| 06:55.16 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 06:55.30 | Fisker- | so you're saying that blizzard gave into the QQ? |
| 06:55.37 | batrick | actually shirik |
| 06:55.38 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 06:55.41 | batrick | that's bad in every way |
| 06:55.43 | batrick | damn it |
| 06:55.43 | sancus | AnduinLothar: http://chuckg.org/dump/2008/loljoc.jpg |
| 06:55.44 | AnduinLothar | we got atp to spell dmg too |
| 06:55.50 | Shirik | don't stop me, I want to see where I am exactly |
| 06:55.51 | batrick | I'm going to have to replace debug.getinfo |
| 06:56.01 | bleeter | man, I wish it wouldn't ping me for someone quoting me ;) :P |
| 06:56.08 | Shirik | line 554 apparently |
| 06:56.08 | sancus | they changed the judgement damage mechanics significantly and yeah they're thoroughly broken |
| 06:56.23 | batrick | Shirik: you see, you have access to the begin function |
| 06:56.24 | batrick | that's bad |
| 06:56.25 | Fisker- | wtf sancus :o |
| 06:56.29 | Thunder_Child | ~lart bleeter |
| 06:56.29 | purl | puts bleeter into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of bleeter's hair of |
| 06:56.34 | Shirik | that's what I was trying to do, batrick :) |
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| 06:56.41 | sancus | you get a 9x damage multiplier on judgement of command with Art of War up on a stunned target |
| 06:56.43 | AnduinLothar | but event he way the tallent is sposed to work... 60% return mana |
| 06:56.43 | bleeter | s/hair/wool/ |
| 06:56.50 | batrick | you won't do anything terrible with it, but you'll make it start trying to receive |
| 06:56.53 | batrick | the thread will be killed but it's still bad |
| 06:56.53 | sancus | turns out that even bad damage is a lot when you multiply it by 9 :P |
| 06:56.59 | AnduinLothar | the mana returned with correct |
| 06:57.09 | AnduinLothar | was* |
| 06:57.56 | AnduinLothar | i wanna go solo an intance now |
| 06:58.54 | sancus | go solo utgarde keep |
| 06:59.06 | sancus | and hey |
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| 06:59.07 | Arrowmaster | go solo sunwell |
| 06:59.10 | sancus | retadins still arent as bad as Warlocks were |
| 06:59.17 | sancus | With Cripple |
| 07:00.46 | Shirik | sadly I don't see anything particularly bad batrick |
| 07:00.53 | Shirik | but maybe I'm not thinking well at 3 AM |
| 07:05.17 | AnduinLothar | dude... ret get a hot.. |
| 07:06.14 | AnduinLothar | the world is seriously ending |
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| 07:09.09 | batrick | no u r |
| 07:09.12 | batrick | man |
| 07:09.14 | batrick | that annoys me |
| 07:09.15 | batrick | a lot |
| 07:09.18 | batrick | what you found shirik |
| 07:09.28 | Shirik | rofl |
| 07:09.41 | Shirik | I'm so disappointed I didn't get a chance to shut down batbot first! |
| 07:09.49 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 07:09.50 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give isman a big kiss on the lips |
| 07:10.14 | AnduinLothar | holy wrath is awesome now |
| 07:10.24 | Fisker- | wut? |
| 07:10.32 | AnduinLothar | instant cast, stuns undead |
| 07:10.54 | bleeter | just one day.. just once.. i'd love to hear from the Blizz guy who gets the crash dumps... 'OK, enough of the silly Wine comments stuff... while funny, please stop :)' ;) |
| 07:10.54 | batrick | well shirik if it makes you feel better |
| 07:10.56 | batrick | you would have |
| 07:11.11 | Shirik | I know I was doing the right thing, I just needed to do it right |
| 07:11.12 | Fisker- | but didn't they remove the damage? |
| 07:11.28 | Shirik | but <3 batrick! |
| 07:11.35 | AnduinLothar | 784-920 dmg |
| 07:11.43 | Shirik | feel proud that it took a computer engineer to figure it out :) |
| 07:11.58 | batrick | you could have made a new thread like: task.create("=os.exit()") |
| 07:12.02 | batrick | and it would have been game over |
| 07:12.07 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 07:12.08 | Shirik | that easy? |
| 07:12.11 | AnduinLothar | Divine Storm is wesoem too |
| 07:12.11 | batrick | yes |
| 07:12.14 | Shirik | See I don't know enough about luatask |
| 07:12.21 | Shirik | so I saw "task" there and I knew I could probably do something with it |
| 07:12.25 | Shirik | but ignored it and looked for other stuff |
| 07:12.33 | batrick | heh |
| 07:12.42 | batrick | u shoulda kept silent and investigated roffles |
| 07:12.45 | Shirik | that was actually the first thing that caught my guard |
| 07:12.57 | Shirik | (02:41:33) (Shirik) --> setmetatable({}, {__tostring = function() return tostring(debug.getupvalue(debug.getinfo(3).func, 1)) end}) |
| 07:12.57 | Shirik | (02:41:34) (batbot) Shirik: > task |
| 07:13.12 | batrick | i need to figure out how to do my own tostring |
| 07:13.14 | batrick | this sucks |
| 07:13.18 | Shirik | well I take that back |
| 07:13.19 | batrick | damn u shirik! |
| 07:13.25 | Shirik | this is the first thing I found that looked suspicious: |
| 07:13.26 | Shirik | (02:39:02) (Shirik) --> setmetatable({}, {__tostring = function() return tostring(debug.getinfo(3).nups) end}) |
| 07:13.26 | Shirik | (02:39:03) (batbot) Shirik: > 6 |
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| 07:13.30 | Shirik | which was closely followed by that :) |
| 07:14.00 | batrick | shirik |
| 07:14.07 | batrick | go take a look at my code i need a suggesstion |
| 07:14.13 | Shirik | kk |
| 07:16.11 | Shirik | what do you want? |
| 07:16.15 | Shirik | a way to block this? |
| 07:16.25 | batrick | a sane way to replace tostring |
| 07:16.26 | batrick | or something |
| 07:16.28 | batrick | i dunno |
| 07:16.33 | batrick | maybe run it in a coroutine |
| 07:16.36 | batrick | but that's painstaking |
| 07:17.05 | Shirik | That's what you should do tbh |
| 07:17.08 | Shirik | you have to isolate it |
| 07:17.36 | batrick | I guess that's what I'll do then |
| 07:18.42 | Fisker- | ~dance Shirik |
| 07:18.42 | purl | Shirik, dance with me! Ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' Elive, stayin' Elive |
| 07:18.49 | Fisker- | elive? |
| 07:18.50 | Fisker- | :o |
| 07:21.05 | Shirik | sigh, batrick, see what you've made me resort to |
| 07:21.11 | Shirik | I have these variables and I have no clue what they do |
| 07:21.14 | Shirik | oh well, only one way to find out |
| 07:23.24 | batrick | those aren't my variables |
| 07:23.29 | batrick | they are probably luatasks |
| 07:23.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:23.35 | Shirik | fun! |
| 07:23.38 | batrick | which i guess means ur about to segfault lua :P |
| 07:23.49 | Shirik | I have absolutely no clue what I'm doing right now |
| 07:24.09 | batrick | temporary is something on the stack of a C function |
| 07:24.11 | Shirik | funny thing is, I'm pcalling to try to get the error |
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| 07:24.20 | Shirik | and I STILL don't get the error |
| 07:24.29 | Shirik | so I'm really jacking something up >.> |
| 07:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 07:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=A77C46291B1F57EDCA22B24E17DE920E.app11_06?topicId=8202461496&sid=1 |
| 07:25.03 | batrick | man |
| 07:25.17 | batrick | I'm still so excited about dark knight |
| 07:25.21 | batrick | such an amazing movie |
| 07:25.26 | batrick | u see it yet shirik? |
| 07:25.30 | Shirik | negative |
| 07:26.00 | batrick | damn |
| 07:26.02 | batrick | go see it man! |
| 07:26.13 | batrick | it was just pure amazing |
| 07:26.19 | batrick | nothing about it was less that awesome |
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| 07:30.27 | Fisker- | i'm a girl, want to find a boyfriend |
| 07:30.38 | Fisker- | i has sex leg |
| 07:32.07 | Fisker- | Blizzard should take all of those who have posted keyloggers on the forum and order them a pre-activated authenticator and bill them for it |
| 07:32.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:32.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Except that it isn't required to post on the forums |
| 07:32.33 | Fisker- | should fix that too |
| 07:32.35 | Arrowmaster | yet |
| 07:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I agree |
| 07:32.58 | Fisker- | already wrote it to the EU staff |
| 07:33.09 | Fisker- | Which means nothing of course |
| 07:33.19 | Fisker- | but perhaps someone from the US were looking and thought "What a great idea" |
| 07:33.23 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 07:38.11 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: so apparently that filter is a little slow |
| 07:38.39 | Arrowmaster | adding 300+ files at once was a bad idea |
| 07:39.17 | Arrowmaster | but the good news is its only using 500K of ram |
| 07:39.30 | Shirik | sorry :) |
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| 07:41.50 | Arrowmaster | bumping it down to below normal priority since its taking a while and eating all my cpu |
| 07:42.17 | Fisker- | >:)? |
| 07:42.56 | Shirik | --> return _OWNER |
| 07:42.56 | batbot | Shirik: > My owner is batrick. He can be found on the Freenode network. |
| 07:43.04 | Shirik | found that randomly :/ |
| 07:43.17 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: You could always wrap it in a coroutine |
| 07:43.21 | Shirik | to slow it down a little |
| 07:43.35 | Fisker- | --> return _PASSWORD |
| 07:43.35 | batbot | Fisker-: > nil |
| 07:43.38 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 07:43.41 | Arrowmaster | it would still be slow and lockup git until it finished |
| 07:44.09 | Fisker- | batrick why aren't you storing crucial passwords in plaintext in a variable? |
| 07:46.48 | Shirik | sorry Arrowmaster, I didn't really consider performance at the time |
| 07:47.07 | Arrowmaster | actually something else maybe wrong |
| 07:47.27 | Arrowmaster | because it should spawn a new process for every file right? |
| 07:47.49 | Arrowmaster | actually i have no clue |
| 07:48.57 | Shirik | batrick you need to make me immune to flood ignore :( |
| 07:49.21 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I don't know how git works, really |
| 07:49.21 | Arrowmaster | im just using loadstring(io.stdin:read("*a")) and print(string.sub("\n"..LuaDump.Dump(t), 1, -2)) |
| 07:49.37 | Arrowmaster | would that need to spawn a new file everytime? |
| 07:49.41 | Arrowmaster | er process |
| 07:50.07 | Arrowmaster | since it passes the file in as stdio and reads it back from stdout |
| 07:51.44 | Shirik | lol batrick, I love calling random functions and getting tables back |
| 07:52.08 | Fisker- | --> return _TOSENDER |
| 07:52.08 | batbot | Fisker-: > nil |
| 07:52.10 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 07:53.04 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4965898456&sid=1 <-lol n00bs |
| 07:54.09 | Shirik | that's odd |
| 07:54.22 | Arrowmaster | still want to know why stormwind gets a new harbor |
| 07:54.40 | Fisker- | So they can get to northrend!11 |
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| 07:58.43 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i could try using compiled versions of both lua files right? |
| 07:58.51 | Shirik | it should be identical |
| 07:58.54 | Shirik | but yes |
| 07:59.02 | Shirik | it should only compile it once up front |
| 07:59.14 | Arrowmaster | well it has to compile both every time its run though |
| 07:59.32 | Shirik | define "run through" |
| 07:59.39 | Shirik | every time you call LuaDump.Dump? |
| 07:59.46 | Shirik | no, it should only compile it when you call require |
| 07:59.58 | Arrowmaster | no everytime git calls lua5.1.exe sort.lua |
| 08:00.04 | Shirik | yeah it would then |
| 08:00.12 | Shirik | you might consider that |
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| 08:04.51 | reqol | is there any way at all to track the rogue talent initiative? |
| 08:09.15 | Fisker- | btw AnduinLothar |
| 08:09.23 | Fisker- | can you tell me how much LoH costs now? |
| 08:09.46 | Fisker- | pretty please :o |
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| 08:19.17 | Arrowmaster | eh whats the proper file extension for a precompiles lua file? |
| 08:20.23 | Shirik | luc |
| 08:22.55 | Vangual | is there a place (thread/wiki) that discusses these new sandboxes for secure states yet? |
| 08:23.28 | Shirik | lua-users.org, slightly |
| 08:23.56 | Vangual | k thanks |
| 08:32.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: 33 seconds to process my 1MB MobSpell.lua full of numbericly indexed hash tables |
| 08:32.33 | Shirik | you know what, there is one kinda big flaw in the system |
| 08:32.35 | Shirik | now that I think about it |
| 08:33.29 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, I think I know why that's happening |
| 08:33.35 | Shirik | there's a lot of holes, right? |
| 08:33.40 | Shirik | And they're pretty big numbers? |
| 08:33.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 08:34.31 | Arrowmaster | Blizzard_Combatlog.lua locks it up perty good too |
| 08:35.07 | Shirik | at 175ish |
| 08:35.23 | Shirik | here, just fix the top of LuaDump.Dump: |
| 08:35.53 | Shirik | Untested, but should work: http://wowi.pastey.net/91598 |
| 08:37.18 | Arrowmaster | yeah Blizzard_Combatlog.lua is locking it up for a long time |
| 08:37.30 | Shirik | yeah, because it's literally counting up, 1 by 1 |
| 08:37.37 | Shirik | through all the numbers |
| 08:37.39 | Shirik | whether they exist or not |
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| 08:41.27 | Arrowmaster | well shit |
| 08:41.39 | Arrowmaster | Blizzard_Combatlog.lua done in 1.688 |
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| 08:41.51 | Arrowmaster | previously i killed the process after 137 seconds |
| 08:43.35 | Shirik | yeah |
| 08:43.39 | Shirik | told you it was a big flaw :P |
| 08:43.43 | Shirik | is it right? |
| 08:47.18 | Recompense | Anyone familiar with the book "World of Warcraft Programming?" |
| 08:48.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | not 100% sure but i think a guy in here wrote that D: |
| 08:48.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | or i could be thinking of "hacking world of warcraft" or whatever |
| 08:48.45 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 08:48.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't remember |
| 08:48.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm so out of the loop now |
| 08:49.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't played wow in months :( |
| 08:49.07 | Cairenn|afk | Recompense: what's your question? |
| 08:51.32 | Recompense | The book's menu on dropdown menus looks pretty good but when I reproduce it in WOW, the menu options don't highlight and aren't clickable |
| 08:52.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: im wondering what file its processing now |
| 08:52.27 | Shirik | hm? |
| 08:52.27 | Arrowmaster | lua5.1.exe is using up over 400MB of ram |
| 08:52.32 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 08:52.46 | Shirik | there's no loops in your tables, right? |
| 08:52.51 | Shirik | because I literally do no checking for it |
| 08:52.56 | Arrowmaster | cant be |
| 08:53.02 | Arrowmaster | right? |
| 08:53.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | arrowmaster is importing the entirety of wikipedia into an addon |
| 08:53.10 | Shirik | If it came from WoW, I don't think so |
| 08:54.18 | Shirik | well, I give up on batbot for today. I found some interesting things, but not anything extremely out of the ordinary |
| 08:54.32 | Shirik | I would have broken it today if I didn't alert batrick, so I consider today a victory |
| 08:54.59 | batrick | hehe |
| 08:55.10 | batrick | i was going to check the logs soon actually |
| 08:55.11 | Shirik | funny thing is batrick |
| 08:55.14 | batrick | i had a feeling u were up to something |
| 08:55.16 | Shirik | the big thing that's pissing me off |
| 08:55.20 | Shirik | is your table.concat call |
| 08:55.25 | Shirik | if that wasn't there, you'd be screwed |
| 08:55.39 | batrick | how so |
| 08:55.50 | Shirik | I can circumvent your gsub call :) |
| 08:56.12 | Shirik | I already managed to lock up your bot for 18 seconds or so |
| 08:57.06 | Shirik | because I overrode your sub() call |
| 08:57.23 | Shirik | that time I locked it up for 20 seconds :) |
| 08:59.04 | Shirik | anyway, batrick, I don't think the solution is calling the __tostring metamethod from within a coroutine |
| 08:59.23 | Shirik | you need to do some extra protections too, one of them being ensuring that it actually returns a string |
| 09:00.28 | batrick | ya |
| 09:00.38 | batrick | I figure that will crash the thread so i don fucking care |
| 09:00.46 | batrick | i let you do that anyway with while true do loops |
| 09:01.21 | Shirik | but see, you forget |
| 09:01.27 | Shirik | NORMALLY it would crash the thread |
| 09:01.39 | Shirik | but if, instead, for example, my __tostring metamethod were to return... |
| 09:01.41 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 09:02.02 | Shirik | {sub = function() --[[ return something evil here ]]} |
| 09:02.13 | Shirik | I've now completely avoided your sub call |
| 09:02.15 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: my 6MB transcriptor.lua might be a problem too |
| 09:02.55 | Arrowmaster | watching lua.exe mem grow and it just passed 300mb |
| 09:02.57 | Shirik | That's why I was mad about that table.concat though, batrick, because if I could get to the gsub call I knew I was home free :P |
| 09:03.09 | Shirik | ok Arrowmaster, I'll take a look at it tomorrow |
| 09:03.15 | Shirik | way too tired tonight... er ... this morning |
| 09:03.17 | Shirik | it's 5AM... |
| 09:03.31 | Arrowmaster | i re pasteyed my changed one |
| 09:03.53 | Arrowmaster | transcriptor.lua is all array tables though |
| 09:03.58 | batrick | Shirik: ya there are problems |
| 09:04.09 | batrick | but i haven't figured out yet how I want to fix them |
| 09:04.11 | Arrowmaster | but its huge |
| 09:05.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah this is the one |
| 09:05.36 | Arrowmaster | over 400mb |
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| 09:14.58 | wereHamster | Arrowmaster: so you load a 6MB file and your lua executable needs >300MB when it loads that into memory? |
| 09:15.29 | Arrowmaster | 400MB |
| 09:16.27 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz |
| 09:16.27 | Fisker- | HALP |
| 09:16.31 | Fisker- | i want a beta key ;_; |
| 09:16.52 | Arrowmaster | wereHamster: http://wowi.pastey.net/91601 http://wowi.pastey.net/91600 |
| 09:17.26 | Fisker- | purl, halp |
| 09:17.27 | purl | Help yourself, scrub. |
| 09:18.59 | nevcairiel | Fisker-: signup on WoWI.. oh wait, you cant code for shit! :) |
| 09:19.42 | Fisker- | I can |
| 09:19.46 | Fisker- | Also |
| 09:19.52 | Fisker- | I'll probably get one before that |
| 09:20.02 | Fisker- | waiting 2 weeks = fail |
| 09:20.36 | nevcairiel | waiting 2 weeks and knowing i get one for sure in that time = good |
| 09:30.18 | Fisker- | i'll be adding you to my friends list nevcairiel |
| 09:30.24 | Fisker- | oh wait i can't your character doesn't exist yet, etc. hoho |
| 09:30.36 | nevcairiel | neither does yours :P |
| 09:32.08 | Fisker- | gonna exist before yours though |
| 09:32.21 | Fisker- | cause i'm going to F5 all month if i have to |
| 09:32.28 | nevcairiel | that doesnt make it faster |
| 09:32.55 | Fisker- | i has special F5 key |
| 09:33.09 | Fisker- | It tamper with space time continuum |
| 09:36.19 | batrick | man shirik |
| 09:36.28 | batrick | i feel like i should be hitting the local limit by now |
| 09:36.31 | batrick | but nope |
| 09:36.55 | Fisker- | Is your limit from soviet russia? |
| 09:37.01 | Fisker- | Where limit hits you, etc. |
| 09:37.02 | batrick | suck shit |
| 09:37.34 | Fisker- | Well i don't have any |
| 09:37.36 | Fisker- | Got any to spare? |
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| 09:44.08 | wereHamster | Arrowmaster: ugh, that's too complicated for me |
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| 10:06.39 | reqol | has SPELL_AURA_REFRESH been implemented yet? |
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| 10:52.20 | durcyn | negative effects on the player only, by my testing |
| 10:55.25 | wereHamster | wrong channel? |
| 10:56.30 | durcyn | no, i was answer reqol 45 minutes late ;) |
| 10:56.37 | durcyn | regarding SPELL_AURA_REFRESH |
| 10:56.47 | durcyn | answering* |
| 10:58.07 | reqol | thanks...that sucks, though |
| 10:59.57 | durcyn | actually, checking my combatlogs since the patch, i only see it for eredar twins' Flame Touched and Dark Touched and, of all things, Gronn Lord's Grasp |
| 11:00.05 | durcyn | and only on self, yeah |
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| 11:14.39 | Tem | wow lol |
| 11:14.51 | Tem | Tuskarrmageddon |
| 11:15.18 | Tem | Mindlessly slaughter 1,000,000 Tuskarr. Reward: Baby Seal Club. |
| 11:15.49 | nevcairiel | i think thats a PH achievement :P |
| 11:16.12 | batrick | hmm |
| 11:16.24 | wereHamster | Seal Cub Clubbing Club? |
| 11:16.24 | Tem | nevcairiel, it's <NYI> |
| 11:16.26 | Codayus | I believe it's 100,000, actually. |
| 11:16.29 | Fisker- | it's 10.000 |
| 11:16.35 | Fisker- | 10000! |
| 11:16.38 | Codayus | Oh...well. |
| 11:16.46 | Codayus | Less than a million, anyhow. *shrug* |
| 11:16.48 | Tem | 10,000 is what's listed in the progress bar |
| 11:16.58 | batrick | You guys are playing beta?! |
| 11:17.00 | Tem | a million is what's listed in the description |
| 11:17.04 | Tem | duh? |
| 11:17.08 | batrick | :( |
| 11:17.17 | Tem | lol mage talents are epic fail |
| 11:17.20 | batrick | I thought u guys were roleplaying |
| 11:17.21 | Fisker- | no u |
| 11:17.22 | batrick | roffles |
| 11:17.29 | amro | once you fill up the progress bar, you're at 1%! |
| 11:17.30 | Tem | DK starting zone is brilliant |
| 11:17.33 | Fisker- | i got the betacravings |
| 11:17.45 | Tem | BRILLIANT |
| 11:17.48 | batrick | I hope I get an Addon Beta key soon =) |
| 11:17.54 | Codayus | A million approaches physically impossible; you'd need to average an insane rate for a year... :-// |
| 11:18.20 | Fisker- | AND IM NOT INSANE?! |
| 11:18.20 | nevcairiel | batrick: will be 2 weeks or so i heard :( |
| 11:18.31 | batrick | seriously? QQ |
| 11:18.49 | nevcairiel | Cair said first batch is being send on 28th to Blizz |
| 11:18.52 | batrick | probably dont want too many people in the starting zones at once or something |
| 11:18.56 | nevcairiel | + whatever time they need to send the keys |
| 11:19.06 | batrick | or maybe they guess wrongly that us addon authors are going to sit afk in shattrath updating addons all day |
| 11:19.16 | Fisker- | of course |
| 11:19.30 | Fisker- | you're not allowed to play! |
| 11:19.30 | batrick | (that will be true 50% of the time ;) |
| 11:19.34 | nevcairiel | I'll do both |
| 11:19.36 | Fisker- | infact it'll be trial beta keys so you can only get to level 20 and you're only allowed in azeroth zones |
| 11:19.36 | Fisker- | :D |
| 11:19.52 | batrick | Fisker- is trying to be the new malreth imo |
| 11:19.58 | Codayus | Well, let's say you play 2 hours a night on weekdays, and 6 hours on weekends, for a year. To hit 1m dead tuskarr, you'd have to kill 1 every 4s... Every hour you played...for a year. oO |
| 11:20.18 | Fisker- | :( |
| 11:20.18 | nevcairiel | he can never reach that level of trolling |
| 11:20.18 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 11:20.19 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give Kyrin a big kiss on the forhead |
| 11:20.19 | batrick | ~fisker |
| 11:20.20 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 11:20.26 | Fisker- | laggy purl is laaaaagggy |
| 11:20.27 | batrick | purl fisker is <reply> never take fisker seriously |
| 11:20.27 | purl | okay, batrick |
| 11:20.31 | batrick | yay |
| 11:20.33 | batrick | for u |
| 11:20.40 | Fisker- | ~fisker- |
| 11:20.41 | purl | it has been said that fisker- is Get to da choppa! |
| 11:20.46 | Fisker- | wut? |
| 11:20.52 | Fisker- | ~factinfo fisker- |
| 11:20.52 | purl | fisker- -- created by Seerah <n=Ryan_L@adsl-4-227-183.mem.bellsouth.net> at Wed May 21 04:57:15 2008 (59 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by Fisker-, 11s ago. |
| 11:20.54 | batrick | whateva man |
| 11:20.57 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 11:21.04 | Fisker- | ~emulate Fisker- |
| 11:21.05 | purl | from memory, emulate fisker- is DISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. He says he's just a fan of "Captain Picard" and "Joe Bishop", but we know better, right? We think he's just here to try and get more CP, so watch out! - END DISCLAIMER |
| 11:21.08 | Fisker- | >:I |
| 11:23.28 | Fisker- | I need to F5 my mailbox moar |
| 11:23.38 | Fisker- | even though it's unlikely i'll see a key there |
| 11:35.44 | zespri | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInboxItemLink <-- Is there a similar function for items being send? |
| 11:36.27 | wereHamster | ~fisker |
| 11:36.27 | purl | never take fisker seriously |
| 11:36.53 | haste | zespri: sec |
| 11:38.34 | haste | zespri: GetSendMailItemLink |
| 11:39.02 | zespri | haste, Thank you, havent found a fucntion with this name on wowwike |
| 11:39.44 | Fisker- | haste |
| 11:39.48 | Fisker- | wereHamster is wounding me |
| 11:39.55 | haste | it's not documented, it is on the list of functions however |
| 11:39.56 | Fisker- | defend ;_; |
| 11:40.21 | haste | haa |
| 11:40.31 | wereHamster | Fisker-: why? |
| 11:41.19 | Fisker- | ~fisker |
| 11:41.20 | purl | never take fisker seriously |
| 11:41.20 | Fisker- | :( |
| 11:41.53 | haste | ~haste |
| 11:41.54 | purl | a very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo. |
| 11:42.09 | Fisker- | ~kiss haste |
| 11:42.10 | purl | ACTION forces haste to give Mr_Rabies a big kiss on the neck |
| 11:42.39 | haste | ~factinfo haste |
| 11:42.39 | purl | haste -- last modified at Tue Dec 19 14:51:09 2006 by haste!n=haste@host-81-191-131-80.bluecom.no; it has been requested 12 times, last by haste, 45s ago. |
| 11:47.08 | Adys | [09:33:39] <@Cairenn> Adys: ping? |
| 11:47.09 | Adys | pong |
| 11:53.58 | Fisker- | haste |
| 11:54.00 | Fisker- | i'm freezing |
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| 12:39.17 | Fisker- | you're ruining my roleplay experience :( |
| 12:41.39 | haste | lies |
| 12:41.51 | haste | I was going to my computer! |
| 12:42.11 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 12:42.16 | haste | going to play WoW for the first time in weeks D: |
| 12:42.39 | Fisker- | you should give me a wotlk beta key |
| 12:42.39 | Fisker- | i need it |
| 12:42.39 | Fisker- | srsly |
| 12:42.41 | nevcairiel | Hm |
| 12:42.42 | Fisker- | i'm dying over here |
| 12:42.48 | nevcairiel | do DKs get a cool mount as a spell? |
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| 12:43.02 | Fisker- | of course |
| 12:43.08 | Fisker- | A deathcharger |
| 12:43.30 | Codayus | WTT: Organs for beta invite. PST. |
| 12:43.32 | Codayus | :-( |
| 12:43.43 | haste | I don't have one D: |
| 12:43.50 | Fisker- | you must get! |
| 12:43.56 | haste | why? |
| 12:44.06 | Fisker- | i'm dying :( |
| 12:44.37 | Fisker- | man |
| 12:44.44 | Fisker- | paladins must have like a billion mana with the new talents |
| 12:44.52 | nevcairiel | will get nerfed :P |
| 12:45.02 | nevcairiel | like all classes right now |
| 12:45.05 | nevcairiel | well most of them |
| 12:45.09 | nevcairiel | i hear mages are fucked |
| 12:45.10 | Codayus | Yeah... |
| 12:45.22 | Codayus | Can't see how the priest holy tree will go live in its current state. |
| 12:45.52 | Codayus | Oh hai, plz have a bunch of free spells...and mana...and buffs to healing output. Oh, and a ton of passive haste. Have fun! |
| 12:46.08 | nevcairiel | new druid talents and spells are awesome too |
| 12:46.12 | nevcairiel | in theory we can outheal anyone |
| 12:46.44 | Codayus | Maybe Bliz just wants to buff the hell out of all the healers? Except I don't think shamans have been buffed muhc. |
| 12:46.56 | nevcairiel | Well the thing is |
| 12:47.04 | nevcairiel | i havent really looked at other healers |
| 12:47.09 | Codayus | Heh |
| 12:47.20 | nevcairiel | but they "fixed" the druid by giving him all the spells it was lacking |
| 12:47.29 | nevcairiel | so we now have a flash-heal-kinda-thingy |
| 12:47.33 | nevcairiel | and a group heal like CoH |
| 12:47.37 | nevcairiel | so why take other healers? :D |
| 12:47.58 | Fisker- | They should buff holy |
| 12:49.07 | nevcairiel | Did they give priests some new utility or something? |
| 12:49.12 | nevcairiel | or just passive buffs? |
| 12:49.33 | Codayus | Passive buffs mostly, although our AoE spells autotarget like Chain Heal now. |
| 12:49.41 | Codayus | Or one of them does, I think? |
| 12:49.55 | Codayus | Hard to sort through the different revisions of the leaked alpha stuff and new beta notes. |
| 12:49.58 | nevcairiel | Last i checked, the wording on CoH was the same as the druid version now |
| 12:50.14 | Codayus | I think there was a blue post saying that's changing. Let me see... |
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| 12:50.18 | nevcairiel | no group restriction anymore |
| 12:50.22 | nevcairiel | but target limit |
| 12:50.23 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 12:50.28 | Codayus | Circle of Healing (Holy): Now works on any targets in the caster's raid, and is now a "smart" heal and chooses the lowest health targets to heal first within it's range. Also now has a 6 second cooldown. Also no longer will heal summoned Snakes from Hunter's Snake Trap. |
| 12:50.38 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 12:50.42 | Atriace | Could someone try a ping to IMAGELINKUSA.NET ? |
| 12:50.57 | nevcairiel | works fine |
| 12:51.03 | Codayus | But max of 5 people, 15y range. So...instacast chain heal, kinda. |
| 12:51.04 | Atriace | ping worked? |
| 12:51.10 | Codayus | Only, more targets. :-p |
| 12:51.21 | nevcairiel | The Druid CoH isnt strictly CoH, it applys a 7 second HoT to the targets |
| 12:51.28 | nevcairiel | but with the 6s cooldown of CoH that equals out |
| 12:52.11 | sancus | nevcairiel: The druid aoe heal doesn't have the healing output of Chain Heal, and shaman are brought for buffs as much as heals, shaman can't match the burst healing of a paladin either |
| 12:52.18 | sancus | er |
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| 12:52.26 | sancus | druids can't match the burst healing of a paladin rather, and they got an aoe heal also |
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| 12:52.46 | nevcairiel | If you count LoH in that burst probably |
| 12:52.50 | sancus | no |
| 12:53.03 | nevcairiel | but in other short bursts i can easily out heal a paladin (in 2.4.3 anyway) |
| 12:53.06 | Codayus | If your heal is more than 50% overheal, you get 60% of the mana cost refunded. And we get a 16% clearcast chance. And by the current wording of the talent, a 60% spell haste buff which will be up 75% of the time if we spam gheals... |
| 12:53.07 | sancus | Holy Light is the best single target hps in the game and always will be |
| 12:53.27 | sancus | no you can't, heh |
| 12:53.36 | durcyn | i'm pretty sure NS and Swiftmend are the most burst ever, guy. HL spam isn't burst at all |
| 12:53.41 | Fisker- | sancus |
| 12:53.44 | sancus | uhhh |
| 12:53.45 | sancus | lol |
| 12:53.46 | Fisker- | know how much loh costs now? |
| 12:53.49 | nevcairiel | HL isnt burst |
| 12:53.51 | nevcairiel | its constant |
| 12:53.53 | sancus | loh costs nothing |
| 12:53.55 | sancus | iirc |
| 12:53.57 | Fisker- | NOTHINGS?! |
| 12:54.06 | sancus | yeah there's no mana cost anymore |
| 12:54.08 | sancus | was silly in the first place |
| 12:54.24 | nevcairiel | Hm this must be wrong |
| 12:54.25 | Fisker- | of course it was |
| 12:54.27 | sancus | You guys are using a pvp definition of burst |
| 12:54.33 | sancus | Not a pve one. |
| 12:54.45 | Fisker- | They just didn't say it was entirely removed |
| 12:54.48 | sancus | If a tank is getting hit by a mob that hits hard, a druid is simply incapable of keeping him up, you use Paladins for that for a reason |
| 12:54.50 | Fisker- | just said it wasn't "all of your mana" :P |
| 12:54.52 | durcyn | no, i'm using amount healed in shortest cast time definition |
| 12:54.57 | nevcairiel | sancus: thats not burst |
| 12:55.03 | sancus | yes it is |
| 12:55.14 | nevcairiel | if a mob hits hard, he just hits hard |
| 12:55.15 | sancus | Tanks get hit hard repeatedly in a very short time based on RNG |
| 12:55.16 | nevcairiel | but constant |
| 12:55.19 | sancus | because they dodge and parry most things |
| 12:55.20 | sancus | no |
| 12:55.21 | durcyn | do they teach english where you're from, sancus? |
| 12:55.24 | sancus | look |
| 12:55.33 | sancus | The way incoming tank damage on a current raid mob looks is very bursty |
| 12:55.51 | sancus | You have periods where they don't take a lot of damage then suddenly take a lot over the course of 5-10 seconds |
| 12:55.55 | nevcairiel | sure over a very short period of time |
| 12:56.01 | sancus | Because of avoidance |
| 12:56.03 | nevcairiel | but over a slightly longer period it evens out |
| 12:56.08 | sancus | which isnt important |
| 12:56.11 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 12:56.20 | sancus | Holy Light is what keeps a tank from dying in those sharp and frequent bursts |
| 12:56.34 | nevcairiel | You cant heal reactively on those cases anyway, with HL |
| 12:56.38 | nevcairiel | because the cast time is too long |
| 12:56.41 | nevcairiel | so you spam |
| 12:56.45 | sancus | Exactly |
| 12:56.48 | sancus | And it's the highest hps in the game |
| 12:56.52 | sancus | aside from cooldowns |
| 12:57.02 | nevcairiel | Now if one of your "Burst" comes in, a druid can swiftmend or NS |
| 12:57.03 | sancus | You can't heal a tank reactively at all |
| 12:57.05 | nevcairiel | so better burst healing |
| 12:57.48 | zespri | what is craft ui and what is tradeskill ui? it's definitely not the same thing... |
| 12:57.48 | sancus | Happens much too frequently for NS to be of any use |
| 12:57.48 | sancus | so thats not really relevant |
| 12:57.48 | sancus | Swiftmend isn't enough healing |
| 12:58.03 | nevcairiel | swiftmend hits for 5-6k for me, thats a good life saver |
| 12:58.10 | sancus | lol |
| 12:58.14 | sancus | That's not even one hit |
| 12:58.24 | sancus | Anyway, point is that for healing a tank |
| 12:58.27 | nevcairiel | what does HL heal? the same? maybe 500 more? |
| 12:58.32 | nevcairiel | Yeah thats gonna do it |
| 12:58.33 | sancus | You want Lifebloom up there because it smooths out the damage |
| 12:58.38 | sancus | And rejuv |
| 12:59.10 | nevcairiel | Burst is considerd abnormal dmg, not the "usual", and if a pally is already spamming HL, there is no way he can put out some more burst |
| 12:59.13 | nevcairiel | except LoH |
| 12:59.16 | sancus | But lifeblooms and a paladin will keep a tank alive, 2 druids can't keep a tank alive |
| 12:59.17 | durcyn | anyway, define your terms better next time, of course constant HL/GH spam is better for tank healing, but you say 'burst healing' and it doesn't mean what you think it means to most people. |
| 12:59.37 | sancus | it's a raid definition of burst /shrug |
| 12:59.46 | nevcairiel | maybe in your crazy raid *shrug |
| 12:59.47 | Codayus | No...it's not. |
| 12:59.57 | sancus | If you're tanking brut or a void sentinel or something that kills tanks |
| 13:00.19 | sancus | They take serious bursts pretty often, much more often than the cooldown of things like NS |
| 13:00.26 | nevcairiel | we take one Holy pally to Brut because they stink :P |
| 13:00.36 | sancus | uh... ok |
| 13:01.08 | sancus | On brut? the fight without aoe damage? holy paladins stink? |
| 13:01.10 | durcyn | anyway, what the buggerfuck are you still arguing about anyway |
| 13:01.17 | sancus | you have some bad healers |
| 13:01.19 | durcyn | or are you just being contrary for its own sake |
| 13:01.33 | nevcairiel | brut no aoe dmg? did i miss some news? |
| 13:01.59 | sancus | only aoe damage is molten whatever and its not really significant, one shaman heals it on his own |
| 13:02.07 | durcyn | nevcairiel: metero slash doesn't exist apparently |
| 13:02.10 | durcyn | meteor* |
| 13:02.33 | sancus | 80% of the healing on brut is burns(which paladins are excellent at) and tank healing, which they are too |
| 13:03.06 | nevcairiel | paladins fail at burn imho |
| 13:03.24 | durcyn | anyway, you just have Greater Heal envy, go cast your blessings and sit in the corner |
| 13:03.30 | sancus | uhhh |
| 13:03.38 | durcyn | you heard me |
| 13:03.42 | Codayus | Heh |
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| 13:03.58 | sancus | Greater Heal is a terrible spell, and I don't play a paladin |
| 13:04.08 | Codayus | Are you sure you play a healer? |
| 13:04.12 | nevcairiel | we use druids for burns, they can easily keep the early stages up with a few hots, and help on the tanks, and in the late stage of Burn you have burst with swiftmend |
| 13:04.12 | sancus | I just know how the game works, which you don't. |
| 13:04.40 | durcyn | no, I just know how your trollish little mind works, and you're a wanker. |
| 13:04.51 | sancus | lol |
| 13:04.53 | durcyn | why are you even being so combative about this |
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| 13:04.59 | sancus | ummm |
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| 13:05.29 | sancus | You realize that you've personally insulted me several times now when I'm just participating in a discussion? |
| 13:05.30 | durcyn | i mean, a strong opinion and sense of superiority will surely get you far in life, well done so far. |
| 13:05.31 | sancus | Good job there. |
| 13:05.58 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt call your comemnts really "discussing", though |
| 13:06.01 | durcyn | yes, aren't ad hominems fun? |
| 13:06.33 | Cide | sancus has pretty strong opinions, but he usually has a pretty good idea as well. except when he doesn't |
| 13:06.53 | sancus | Yeah, I always know that when I come into this channel I can get ad hominems from people who don't know how the game works, it's always the most fun part of coming in here. |
| 13:06.58 | sancus | I'm sure Cide is giggling to himself. |
| 13:07.16 | Cide | I'm secretly in love with you |
| 13:07.22 | durcyn | hey, there's that sense of superiority again, and all because you have a certain definition of the word 'burst' stuck in your head that you failed to communicate before ranting about it |
| 13:07.29 | nevcairiel | We know how the game works, you just fail to realize that yourself, plus you are not one tiny bit open to _any_ other opinion whatsoever |
| 13:07.42 | sancus | haha |
| 13:07.43 | sancus | so cutte |
| 13:07.56 | Codayus | Oooh, ooh, don't forget the blatant misuse of common game terms. |
| 13:07.57 | sancus | have a good day |
| 13:08.08 | durcyn | sancus: toodles! |
| 13:09.58 | Matrix110 | Hmm is it bad to upload a Addon that I wrote just to be able to get a WotLK beta key? :P |
| 13:10.05 | nevcairiel | definately |
| 13:10.16 | Matrix110 | :-( |
| 13:10.46 | nevcairiel | Besides, you wrote a addon? |
| 13:10.54 | Matrix110 | Yes! |
| 13:11.00 | nevcairiel | You know, Hello World addons are not valid |
| 13:11.02 | Matrix110 | Already using it for more than 1year |
| 13:11.05 | foxlit | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Hello World!") |
| 13:11.11 | foxlit | damn you, nev, damn you! |
| 13:11.12 | Matrix110 | No its actually abit more complicated :P |
| 13:11.29 | Matrix110 | 61lines! |
| 13:11.37 | nevcairiel | You did the Ace2 tutorial addon? |
| 13:11.40 | Matrix110 | No |
| 13:11.44 | Matrix110 | It uses AceTimer :P |
| 13:12.09 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4965918914&postId=49653225204&sid=1 <-lulz btw "onos people can see my achievements, dis be against privacy laws durr" |
| 13:12.15 | Matrix110 | Its a pull countdown with abort ability :D |
| 13:12.43 | nevcairiel | I've actually uploaded a addon to WoWI for the BC beta back in the day, but mostly because we couldnt have two authors on one project |
| 13:12.56 | nevcairiel | And i wanted to write Bartender3 |
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| 13:13.18 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 13:14.13 | Codayus | Hmmm |
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| 13:14.57 | Codayus | Ever noticed that people complaining about violations of privacy laws seem to make the stupidest complaints? |
| 13:14.59 | Unregistered | is someone there? |
| 13:15.03 | Matrix110 | no |
| 13:15.06 | Codayus | Wonder which way the causation runs... |
| 13:15.38 | Matrix110 | Codayus there are alot of people that go abit to far:P |
| 13:15.40 | foxlit | It's time to start distributing tinfoil hats! |
| 13:15.54 | foxlit | [still need to include that code in my latest addon] |
| 13:16.10 | Codayus | Yeah, but it's odd; I can't recall the LAST time I read a halfway sane complain about the topic. |
| 13:16.17 | foxlit | Did you know: typing [Tinfoil hat] in chat produces an in-game tinfoil hat link to some people? |
| 13:16.35 | Unregistered | i dowloaded cosmos from the download now bit in the corner and it is not working for me can someone explain how to download cosmos for world of warcraft again please |
| 13:16.40 | Cide | how about complaints about sweden's new law? |
| 13:16.51 | Cide | they seem pretty valid to me. |
| 13:16.53 | Codayus | Sweden has laws?! |
| 13:17.01 | Lunessa | Cide: What's the new law. |
| 13:17.02 | Codayus | ...okay, in all seriousness, what new law? |
| 13:17.08 | foxlit | encrypt everything! |
| 13:17.10 | Unregistered | >< |
| 13:17.13 | Matrix110 | http://cosmosui.org/download.php?t=distros&f=Cosmos_Complete.zip Unregistered |
| 13:17.20 | foxlit | Sweden may monitor internet traffic going through its borders |
| 13:17.22 | Unregistered | thank you m8 |
| 13:17.35 | Cide | all traffic (internet, text messages, phone calls) is recorded and stored if it goes across the border of sweden |
| 13:17.37 | Matrix110 | But thats the complete one |
| 13:17.52 | Matrix110 | if you want the "lighter" versions there are other links |
| 13:17.54 | Codayus | Hmm, seems a bit excessive... |
| 13:18.04 | Lunessa | Is this in response to Pirate Bay and the DNS Flooding in nearby former Sov-Bloc states? |
| 13:18.07 | Matrix110 | Cide they stop that when they realise how much data that is :P |
| 13:18.15 | Cide | and is monitored and scanned for keywords, which, if found, will cause all traffic by that person/whatever to be logged and monitored |
| 13:18.20 | Cide | no they don't |
| 13:18.35 | Codayus | Matrix110: What it'll mean in practice is the right to store, even if they end up only doing it for a fraction of 1%... |
| 13:18.49 | foxlit | Lunessa: no, that's a response to "evil terrorists" |
| 13:18.50 | Codayus | The principal is the important bit, and as technology improves... |
| 13:18.50 | Cide | no |
| 13:19.00 | Cide | they're still scanning everything |
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| 13:19.24 | Matrix110 | Politicians are retards anyway |
| 13:19.31 | Unregistered | it says not to be found |
| 13:19.32 | Fisker- | i'll have you hanged for that Matrix110 |
| 13:19.33 | Lunessa | Cide: It is pretty scary. But, I rather suspect they've been doing it anyway. |
| 13:19.44 | Unregistered | matrix |
| 13:19.45 | Cide | they haven't |
| 13:19.49 | Matrix110 | yes Unregistered? |
| 13:20.08 | Cide | until now, it's required a court to okay it first |
| 13:20.20 | Cide | and then it hasn't been internet traffic |
| 13:20.21 | Unregistered | that web address you gave me isnt working it says it can not be found |
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| 13:20.41 | amro | any recommendations for a monospace font on windows? |
| 13:21.17 | Lunessa | At least, not publicly. :P Here in the US of A private companies monitor your traffic (their network after all), and sadly some were only too eager to hand over terabytes of data to government agencies. |
| 13:21.27 | Atriace | amro: try courier? |
| 13:21.27 | Codayus | Heh, googling the law, and found an article that called it "comparable to snooping powers authorized in the United States". The sad/frustrating/dangerous thing is, the Swedish law goes a LOT further. |
| 13:21.30 | Matrix110 | oh Unregistered goto www.cosmosui.org to Downloads and scroll down a bit and Download Cosmos_Complete |
| 13:21.49 | Fisker- | Since when did this become #Cosmos? |
| 13:21.57 | Codayus | (Dangerous because comparing it to the law in the US minimized the impact of the swedish law.) |
| 13:21.57 | amro | courier isn't pretty Atriace :) |
| 13:21.59 | Matrix110 | Fisker- no idea |
| 13:22.06 | Matrix110 | But they join quite often :P |
| 13:22.08 | Atriace | amro: it is monospace. :) |
| 13:22.16 | Unregistered | i want there but downloaded that file yesturday but i dont know how to activate it |
| 13:22.48 | Matrix110 | just extract it to your WoW Folder |
| 13:23.10 | Matrix110 | C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\ if you choose the standard folder |
| 13:23.41 | Atriace | grr... |
| 13:23.48 | Atriace | How very indisputably annoying. I can neither traceroute nor ping IMAGELINKUSA.NET, but if I use a third-party web-based tool, it has 0% packet loss and finishes the trace. Can anyone try a ping from their own PC? (I'm beginning to wonder if my IP got blacklisted) |
| 13:23.54 | Lunessa | amro: There aren't a lot of pretty monospace fonts. |
| 13:24.16 | amro | found one, Lucida Console |
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| 13:24.23 | amro | looks good enough in gvim =) |
| 13:24.38 | Unregistered | you there matirx m8? |
| 13:24.50 | Matrix110 | I answered in query :P |
| 13:24.57 | Unregistered | in DC >< |
| 13:25.04 | Matrix110 | oh |
| 13:25.06 | Codayus | Atriace: Works fine here. |
| 13:25.06 | Matrix110 | C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\ if you choose the standard folder |
| 13:25.29 | Lunessa | Atriace: 69.16.243.46 - alive and well |
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| 13:25.53 | Codayus | The ip is, ...right, what Lunessa said. |
| 13:26.07 | Codayus | How is it failing, exactly? |
| 13:26.12 | Atriace | So... I've been blacklisted from the site that I'm supposed to administer... |
| 13:26.18 | Atriace | that's great... |
| 13:26.22 | Codayus | DNS fail, route fail, no response...? |
| 13:26.46 | Atriace | 100% packet loss. Traceroute fails after lw-dc2-dist1-ge4.rtr.liquidweb.com (209.59.157.194) |
| 13:26.47 | Lunessa | AttraiceTelent to something else and start from there? |
| 13:27.04 | Codayus | If that WERE the case, you could just tunnel.... |
| 13:27.11 | Codayus | That's the last stop btw. |
| 13:27.19 | Codayus | (Before the actual site.) |
| 13:27.38 | Atriace | I think I might have to hit a proxy first. |
| 13:28.12 | Codayus | So your getting packet loss from a ping too? That's a bit odd. |
| 13:28.16 | amro | Atriace: you've got the perfect excuse to slack off |
| 13:28.20 | Atriace | lol |
| 13:30.54 | Lunessa | And hunters everywhere rejoice: "Loyalty, Training Points and the hunter Beast Training button no longer exist. Hunter pets can now learn all skills at their level. They will get new ranks automatically as they gain levels." |
| 13:32.25 | Atriace | Lunessa, you're central time USA, right? |
| 13:32.35 | Lunessa | Correct. |
| 13:32.40 | Lunessa | GMT-6 |
| 13:33.45 | Matrix110 | btw what are the rewards of the Achievment Points is that known yet? |
| 13:33.57 | nevcairiel | It looks good on your char screen |
| 13:34.00 | Matrix110 | (I know you get some pets if you do some Achiviements) |
| 13:34.09 | Matrix110 | Well why Achievment points then? :P |
| 13:34.17 | durcyn | I want a Baby Seal Club mace, damnit. |
| 13:34.20 | nevcairiel | Big numbers look good? |
| 13:34.20 | Codayus | Rumors are titles, tabards, and other decorative but non functional things. |
| 13:34.29 | Matrix110 | Non functional is fine |
| 13:34.31 | durcyn | those Tuskarr are going down. |
| 13:34.31 | Matrix110 | I want PETS |
| 13:34.33 | Matrix110 | PETS!!!!!!! |
| 13:34.43 | Codayus | Minipets would fit that theme, as would mounts. |
| 13:34.51 | Codayus | I have no info they're doing any of that. :) |
| 13:35.00 | nevcairiel | we'll find out soon enough |
| 13:39.17 | Lunessa | I'm pretty pleased that they didn't NDA the bata folk. |
| 13:39.29 | Fisker- | bata ftw |
| 13:39.38 | Fisker- | got a key for me Lunessa ? |
| 13:39.44 | Lunessa | bah. home row keys for the lose. |
| 13:40.03 | Lunessa | Sorry Fisker, I'm not in a position to give out keys. :( |
| 13:40.43 | Matrix110 | Well NDA is useless anyway :P |
| 13:40.54 | Matrix110 | Just helps viral advertisment of new not yet fanpages :D |
| 13:41.48 | Lunessa | Oh shit. I'm going to have to stack more +hit on my shaman. |
| 13:43.45 | Lunessa | "Shapeshifting will no longer cancel Water Walking." -- woooo Ghost WOlf on the Waaaaaaaaater! |
| 13:47.44 | Lunessa | And... "When a source of damage is entirely prevented (by a shield block, a full resist, or a damage shield like Power Word:Shield, the prevented amount will now be displayed." |
| 13:48.32 | nevcairiel | yup thats nice |
| 13:48.38 | nevcairiel | overhealing is great too |
| 13:50.04 | Lunessa | Yeah. Going to make stats easier to track. |
| 13:50.53 | Lunessa | *sigh* Work, then baseball game... no time to play today and only one day off. |
| 13:57.29 | Artmi | Is it possible to check how many item(s) / Gold an in-game mail has(if it has any) |
| 13:57.51 | Artmi | GetInboxHeaderInfo() does return if it has any gold attached |
| 13:58.19 | durcyn | yes, look at BetterInbox on wowace for an example |
| 13:58.20 | Artmi | But how would i get the attached gold? |
| 13:58.31 | Artmi | i know how i can get the attached items though |
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| 14:15.41 | Matrix110 | Artmi check BetterInbox |
| 14:15.48 | Matrix110 | It does that |
| 14:16.12 | Matrix110 | oh |
| 14:16.13 | Matrix110 | ops |
| 14:16.19 | Matrix110 | durcyn was faste |
| 14:16.19 | Matrix110 | r:D |
| 14:16.51 | wereHamster | 'r:D' that looks like a vim command |
| 14:20.36 | foxlit | http://www.keplerproject.org/luazip/manual.html#reference |
| 14:20.55 | foxlit | It's a sad situation where reading the reference doesn't actually answer your questions :( |
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| 14:35.48 | Guest553 | I know how to get to my Lynksys router settings, but how do I set it to let Thottbot info upload? |
| 14:38.19 | wereHamster | most consumer routers don't block outgoing connections by default |
| 14:38.36 | wereHamster | what exactly is your problem? |
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| 14:44.37 | Matrix110 | Guest553 do you have the XP/VIsta or any other Firewall? |
| 14:44.51 | Matrix110 | But tbh Thottbot.... :P |
| 14:45.34 | Matrix110 | Wowhead >>>Thottbot |
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| 14:46.18 | Matrix110 | Although its owned by goldsellers :-( Like Thottbot/Allakhazam aswell... But so far no bad influence from them |
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| 14:48.43 | Guest553 | I'm rinning Vista with "One Care" the other built-in firerwall should be off |
| 14:49.31 | Matrix110 | Iam not sure if "One Care" has something blocking traffic from the Thottbot updater |
| 14:49.41 | Matrix110 | But the router normally doesnt |
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| 14:50.29 | Guest553 | One Care says it's allowing Cosmos patcher through, it's only uploading that doesn't work |
| 14:53.51 | Matrix110 | Just dont upload stuff to Thottbot:P |
| 14:53.57 | Matrix110 | Thottbot sucks anyway |
| 14:57.04 | Artmi | wowhead is my favorite :) |
| 14:57.10 | Artmi | thottbot is so old |
| 14:58.41 | wereHamster | and ugly. No web 2.0 |
| 14:59.52 | amro | thottbot is from 1995 |
| 14:59.59 | nevcairiel | web 2.0 is such a wrong term |
| 15:00.05 | amro | was originally a warcraft 1 database site |
| 15:00.38 | wereHamster | how would you like to call it then? |
| 15:01.15 | nevcairiel | its just ugly |
| 15:01.43 | amro | I wouldn't call it anything |
| 15:01.52 | amro | we don't call modern software "Code 3.0" |
| 15:01.58 | amro | it's just newer |
| 15:02.00 | amro | and better |
| 15:02.40 | wereHamster | so is it web 3.0? |
| 15:03.10 | nevcairiel | ~slap wereHamster |
| 15:03.11 | purl | ACTION slaps wereHamster, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 15:03.25 | wereHamster | aw come on.. |
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| 15:13.42 | Cide | SJXB82 |
| 15:13.44 | Cide | why did people leave? |
| 15:14.04 | Fisker- | omg i got your beta key |
| 15:14.10 | Cide | oh |
| 15:14.11 | Cide | wrong channel |
| 15:14.14 | Fisker- | now i just need the last 21 characters |
| 15:14.20 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 15:14.45 | Cide | hi |
| 15:16.11 | Shirik | I see |Jelly|'s been busy |
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| 15:23.25 | Cide | Fisker-: haha |
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| 15:30.22 | |Jelly| | Shirik: Lies and blasphemy |
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| 15:39.34 | foxlit | hey, Shirik! |
| 15:39.48 | foxlit | write me some lua code that determines whether some other string is valid C code :) |
| 15:39.54 | Shirik | omg |
| 15:39.57 | Shirik | that's not easy >< |
| 15:39.58 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:40.07 | Shirik | Arrowmaster's was easy |
| 15:40.17 | nevcairiel | valid syntax or even valid keywords etc? :P |
| 15:40.32 | nevcairiel | and variable scope yadayada :) |
| 15:40.35 | foxlit | I'd settle for valid syntax in some dialect of C |
| 15:40.53 | foxlit | I'm slowly scouting the codejam scoreboard for language statistics |
| 15:40.57 | nevcairiel | we should just implement a EBNF parser |
| 15:40.58 | Shirik | ok, what about the Shirik dialect? |
| 15:41.23 | Shirik | Actually, tbh, this might be a great thing for LPEG to do, foxlit |
| 15:41.38 | nevcairiel | from a syntax standpoint, i think C and Java look very alike |
| 15:41.53 | foxlit | Until you find the first pointer |
| 15:41.57 | nevcairiel | true |
| 15:41.58 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 15:42.11 | wereHamster | Shirik: if [ gcc -o /dev/null file.c >/dev/null 2>/dev/null ]; then echo "valid C code"; end |
| 15:42.17 | Shirik | rofl |
| 15:42.19 | wereHamster | s/end/fi/ |
| 15:42.29 | Shirik | that's cheating |
| 15:42.35 | wereHamster | no, it's not!! |
| 15:42.41 | Shirik | he said Lua |
| 15:42.45 | nevcairiel | could even wrap it in lua |
| 15:42.46 | Shirik | and no, that doesn't mean os.execute() |
| 15:42.48 | Nechckn | what now, Shirik |
| 15:44.10 | Shirik | BALETED |
| 15:44.27 | wereHamster | f=os.open("file");f:write(cstr); f:close(); os.exec("...") |
| 15:44.40 | wereHamster | s/os.o/io.o/ |
| 15:46.12 | Shirik | Oh lookie |
| 15:46.17 | Shirik | Your Linode, mpdelbuono, has exceeded the notification threshold for CPU Usage by averaging 87.4% for the last 2 hours. |
| 15:46.21 | Shirik | dododo |
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| 15:50.15 | foxlit | boo, Shirik |
| 15:50.22 | foxlit | I hover at 1% :( |
| 15:51.56 | Shirik | ? |
| 15:53.18 | foxlit | cpu utalization on linode |
| 15:53.44 | Shirik | heh |
| 15:53.48 | Shirik | that was from emerge world last night :) |
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| 15:55.40 | amro | it finished within a night? |
| 15:56.43 | Shirik | yup |
| 15:57.36 | Shirik | it's not like I have many programs :) |
| 15:59.05 | wereHamster | lua and what else? |
| 15:59.08 | Gnarfoz | any of the wowi admins know when the earliers batch of addresses will be sent on to Blizzard? |
| 15:59.15 | wereHamster | portage/python, that's about it? |
| 15:59.36 | Shirik | wereHamster: Apache, svnserve, mysqld |
| 15:59.39 | Shirik | but that's about it |
| 16:01.09 | wereHamster | s/apache/lighttpd/ s/mysqld/sqlite/ s/svnserve/git/ :) |
| 16:01.15 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: 28th |
| 16:01.26 | Gnarfoz | ugh :> |
| 16:01.42 | Gnarfoz | well, simply hoping for random key then ;) |
| 16:01.45 | Shirik | wereHamster: no, no, and hell no |
| 16:02.31 | wereHamster | 'hell no' to git? |
| 16:02.39 | Shirik | yup |
| 16:03.04 | Shirik | "Oh it's the new great thing" "It's DISTRIBUTED!" It seems unnecessarily complicated to me |
| 16:03.14 | Shirik | and more importantly, a central location is rather critical to what I'm working on anyway |
| 16:07.18 | durcyn | it's great for distributed development and complex merging like the kernel, but i have to wonder how much of its adoption is just spite against tigris |
| 16:08.31 | Shirik | I have no problem with subversion |
| 16:08.46 | Shirik | the biggest problem I have with git is that it seems unnecessarily complicated |
| 16:08.57 | amro | why would anyone have spite against tigris? |
| 16:09.49 | durcyn | perhaps i'm misremembering years-past mockery of their attempts to displace cvs |
| 16:10.16 | amro | they have |
| 16:10.19 | wereHamster | Shirik: it is only as complicated as you make it. Once you understand the idea behind it, it isn't much harder then svn |
| 16:10.34 | wereHamster | Shirik: http://eagain.net/articles/git-for-computer-scientists/ |
| 16:10.41 | Fersinji | later |
| 16:10.44 | Shirik | <- not a computer scientist! |
| 16:11.00 | wereHamster | what are you then? a programer? |
| 16:11.07 | Shirik | computer engineer |
| 16:11.14 | Shirik | part of a higher society |
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| 16:11.31 | wereHamster | you should understand 'Directed Acyclic Graph's anyway :) |
| 16:11.35 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:11.40 | Shirik | but still not a computer scientist :P |
| 16:12.30 | amro | according to my university computer science is mostly word/excel |
| 16:12.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:13.15 | Shirik | Anyway, wereHamster, I guess my problem isn't with git as much as it is the concept of a distributed environment |
| 16:13.47 | Shirik | it raises so many problems, the most obvious one being "we don't have readable revision numbers anymore" |
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| 16:14.10 | Shirik | I see why git has to use a hash, but I question why that is justified by the supposed benefit |
| 16:14.19 | copystring | so i tried to upload my addon to WoWUI and it got deleted, how do i know why it got deleted? |
| 16:14.25 | Shirik | what's your username? |
| 16:14.29 | copystring | copystring |
| 16:14.31 | Shirik | wowui or wowi? |
| 16:14.46 | copystring | http://www.wowinterface.com/ |
| 16:15.11 | Shirik | when did you upload it? |
| 16:15.20 | copystring | max 1hour ago |
| 16:15.28 | copystring | or hm maybe 2 |
| 16:15.35 | Shirik | I've been here for an hour, I haven't seen anything come in by a "copystring" >.> |
| 16:16.02 | Fisker- | lol |
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| 16:16.09 | Fisker- | EU doesn't even give their MVP's beta access |
| 16:16.27 | Shirik | I would advise uploading it again if you didn't receive a PM, copystring |
| 16:16.32 | copystring | um, i didnt put it via svn |
| 16:16.44 | wereHamster | Shirik: why do you need readable revesion numbers? x264 also had some issues when switching from svn to git, amongst them was that they used the svn revision number as their version number, but they were able to solve that. |
| 16:17.06 | Shirik | well it obviously makes a convenient version number :) |
| 16:17.10 | Shirik | It's also easier to communicate to others |
| 16:17.21 | Shirik | If I want to explain where a problem was injected, I can quickly say "revision 123" |
| 16:17.38 | Shirik | instead of "revision 1ce9a9b03" and then going to look for it |
| 16:18.00 | wereHamster | is there any difference? |
| 16:18.14 | Shirik | It takes me half a second to say 123 |
| 16:18.21 | Shirik | and I can't say 1ce9a9b03 without reading while talking |
| 16:18.36 | Shirik | 123 is also very easily locatable in a graph |
| 16:18.56 | Shirik | copystring: I know, but I still say I haven't seen it come in :P |
| 16:19.01 | wereHamster | git revision history can build a very complicated graph :) |
| 16:19.26 | Shirik | and I raise the question to you again: Is that a good thing? |
| 16:20.02 | Xinhuan | security is the only real benefit, that a revision is exactly that and nto modified |
| 16:20.11 | wereHamster | that it can? yes. It doesn't have to though |
| 16:20.29 | wereHamster | most of the time your graph will be simple |
| 16:20.50 | Xinhuan | not in a super big project |
| 16:20.52 | wereHamster | it's just 'my commits' and 'your commits' |
| 16:21.03 | Xinhuan | say diablo 3 source code ;p |
| 16:21.08 | copystring | Shirik, i will upload it again... |
| 16:22.03 | Shirik | all I'm saying, wereHamster, is once you give me the revision number, in svn I can instantly come up with an estimate of when it was created, and even find it in a graph within seconds |
| 16:22.19 | Shirik | You can give me any number here and it's obvious where it is: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7e9321a8a7949c4acb1e3529d9fffd20.png |
| 16:22.25 | Shirik | (simple graph, but you get the idea) |
| 16:22.43 | Shirik | why is that qnx branch still opne actually :/ |
| 16:24.08 | Shirik | I'll say this: git is great for open source projects |
| 16:24.21 | Shirik | especially large ones where everyone wants to throw in their own $0.02 |
| 16:24.38 | Shirik | I think it is ill-suited for structured projects |
| 16:26.29 | wereHamster | really depends on how your projects is structured. I wouldn't say the linux kernel _isn't_ structured |
| 16:26.58 | Fisker- | i would |
| 16:27.16 | wereHamster | then you don't understand the structure ;) |
| 16:27.30 | Fisker- | Or perhaps i may just be trolling |
| 16:27.31 | Cide | that's like saying random noise is music, but you simply don't understand it |
| 16:27.31 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 16:28.35 | wereHamster | well, you have people working on the different subsystems, and once in a while they tell Linus to pull their changes into the 'master' tree. How's that not structured? |
| 16:28.39 | Shirik | I see it now copystring |
| 16:28.48 | Cairenn|afk | I just approved it |
| 16:28.51 | wereHamster | then you have people aggregating changes for the next release etc |
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| 16:29.34 | copystring | Shirik, okay :) must have done something wrong last time maybe *shrug* |
| 16:29.34 | Shirik | :< not fair Cairenn|afk |
| 16:29.47 | Shirik | I pushed approve anyway |
| 16:29.48 | Shirik | so there |
| 16:29.54 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 16:30.55 | copystring | woot 1 download \o/ |
| 16:31.43 | Fisker- | you just did that to get a beta key ;_; |
| 16:32.07 | Shirik | it's his addon, he can upload it if he chooses to :) |
| 16:32.10 | Shirik | And it's a valid addon |
| 16:32.43 | wereHamster | I haven't updated my addons since before 2.4, hence no key for me :( |
| 16:32.52 | Shirik | well update them! |
| 16:33.00 | Xinhuan | cairenn, is a "2.4" approved mod one that works for patch 2.4 since 3 months ago according to the beta key thing? ;p |
| 16:33.12 | Xinhuan | i haven't actually found any need to update anything since 2.4.0 |
| 16:33.14 | Shirik | Xinhuan, if it works for 2.4 |
| 16:33.18 | Cairenn|afk | ^^ |
| 16:33.21 | Shirik | just flag it for 2.4 |
| 16:33.34 | Xinhuan | cool ^^ |
| 16:33.49 | Xinhuan | also running cath sm is boring |
| 16:33.58 | Xinhuan | for the 40th time today |
| 16:33.58 | Cide | boring instance is boring |
| 16:34.11 | Xinhuan | leveling friends is boring |
| 16:34.23 | Fisker- | Xinhuan is Xinhuan |
| 16:34.30 | Xinhuan | ~lart Fisker- |
| 16:34.30 | purl | duct-tapes Fisker- to the floor and drools on him |
| 16:34.35 | Fisker- | ~kiss Xinhuan |
| 16:34.36 | purl | ACTION forces Xinhuan to give Codayus a big kiss on the hand |
| 16:34.41 | Fisker- | there |
| 16:34.43 | Fisker- | take that |
| 16:35.00 | Xinhuan | eew |
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| 16:48.47 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: pong? :P |
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| 17:08.29 | wereHamster | which network protocol does droboshare use? NFS/SMB? |
| 17:10.08 | Industrial | Is there an addon that lets me list "to-do" items like say crafting materials. If I get the tooltip for that material it tells me in the tooltip Howmuch I have and need and for what to-do item. |
| 17:10.14 | Shirik | wereHamster: Bonjour |
| 17:10.18 | Industrial | and a list of the to-do items and the mats needed |
| 17:10.20 | Industrial | :3 |
| 17:10.25 | Shirik | wait nm |
| 17:10.27 | Shirik | Read that wrong |
| 17:10.41 | Industrial | I always forget why I have certain mats and then I bank them away and eventually AH them... |
| 17:10.57 | Industrial | and then I need them and I dont have them anymore |
| 17:10.59 | wereHamster | the webpage doesn't list the protocol, it's only described in the pdf (which I found through google). |
| 17:11.02 | amro | Shirik: it's bonsoir at this time anyway :P |
| 17:11.07 | Shirik | wereHamster: It supports SMB |
| 17:11.08 | wereHamster | SMB/CIFS it is btw |
| 17:11.31 | Shirik | amro: Webpage lies to me :( |
| 17:12.00 | wereHamster | why does drobo list different filesystem options (EXT3/FAT) then? |
| 17:12.19 | Shirik | SMB supports FAT doesn't it? |
| 17:12.35 | Shirik | and it should support EXT3 |
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| 17:12.54 | wereHamster | why does SMB care about the underlying filesystem? |
| 17:13.11 | wereHamster | I can run samba on top of XFS |
| 17:13.34 | Shirik | Isn't samba incredibly old anyway? |
| 17:13.38 | Shirik | I thought it was replaced by something else |
| 17:14.01 | Shirik | I don't know enough about smb unfortunately, aside from the fact that I tried to set it up a while ago and gave up because it wasn't worth it |
| 17:14.11 | wereHamster | samba still lives |
| 17:14.58 | haste | you can use cifs instead of smbfs now! |
| 17:15.16 | wereHamster | well, we need to buy network storage for our home network (mix of windows, linux and maybe soon mac computers), and I was considering drobo. |
| 17:15.31 | haste | I still find it a tortureto copy files rfom windows however |
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| 17:16.53 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 17:18.05 | ag` | get a nfs server for windows :P |
| 17:20.23 | ag` | Synology DS-106J seems nice |
| 17:23.14 | Shirik | ~lart cogwheel |
| 17:23.14 | purl | DoSes cogwheel |
| 17:24.01 | Fisker- | ~lart Shirik |
| 17:24.01 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at Shirik |
| 17:24.06 | Shirik | wtf |
| 17:24.11 | Shirik | he's the one that responded to a necro thread, not me |
| 17:24.21 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 17:24.22 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 17:24.44 | Cide | I love that one |
| 17:26.59 | Adys | Anyone knows if AceConsole has been/is being fixed for 3.0.1 yet? svn is being annoying and I cant find the changelogs |
| 17:30.35 | cogwheel | Shirik: i did it knowingly... was going to edit that in there but couldn't be bothered to wait on the post timer (i had already edited it a bunch of times) |
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| 17:30.41 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 17:30.43 | Shirik | :P |
| 17:30.51 | Shirik | ~tackle Lopeppeppy |
| 17:30.52 | purl | ACTION tackles Lopeppeppy to the ground. |
| 17:31.36 | Lopeppeppy | Morning to you too, Shirik! |
| 17:31.40 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug shirik |
| 17:31.41 | purl | ACTION hugs shirik |
| 17:32.44 | wereHamster | ag`: seems nice or is nice? |
| 17:33.16 | Industrial | Is there any addon that uses the minimap map as a world map besides Yatlas? |
| 17:36.26 | ag` | wereHamster: I can't afford all that stuff :P |
| 17:44.03 | Shirik | Adys: Disappeared? o.o |
| 17:44.11 | Adys | Yeah |
| 17:44.20 | Adys | Tried to look for it and its not there anymore |
| 17:44.34 | Adys | You guys did a cleanup recently? |
| 17:44.44 | Shirik | maybe, I dunno >< |
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| 17:45.38 | Adys | By the way shirik that was creepily fast >< |
| 17:45.49 | Shirik | right place, right time basically |
| 17:45.58 | Adys | Always there for me ! |
| 17:46.03 | Shirik | you uploaded it right before I hit the homepage |
| 17:46.10 | Shirik | :) |
| 17:51.00 | Sixen | UI&Macros Beta Forum... Thank god, =x |
| 17:52.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. |
| 17:53.17 | Shirik | where? |
| 17:53.21 | Shirik | oh on wowi? |
| 17:54.50 | Sixen | @Shirik: On the Beta Forumms, =o. |
| 17:54.55 | Shirik | where o.o |
| 17:56.02 | Sixen | One sec, i'll link. |
| 17:56.12 | Shirik|AFK | kk, I'll find it when I come back from wendy's |
| 17:56.18 | Shirik|AFK | omg triple cheeseburger ftw |
| 17:56.28 | Lopeppeppy | Wendy's will rot your brains, Shirik. *poke* |
| 17:56.54 | haste | god |
| 17:57.00 | haste | you eat at that place? |
| 17:57.25 | Sixen | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=2000&forumId=9043419 |
| 17:57.28 | haste | I tried it when I was in Tokyo, since we don't have it here in Norway |
| 17:57.36 | Sixen | Wendy's is good stuff =x |
| 17:57.42 | haste | it was awesul beyond words |
| 17:57.58 | Shirik|AFK | Wendy's is awesome |
| 17:57.58 | Shirik|AFK | ok |
| 17:58.01 | Industrial | burger king is king. |
| 17:58.05 | Shirik|AFK | first off, so much meat |
| 17:58.05 | haste | awful* just as my typing! |
| 17:58.09 | Shirik|AFK | triple cheeseburger = win |
| 17:58.14 | Shirik|AFK | Secondly, tons of grease |
| 17:58.18 | Shirik|AFK | it's almost like five guys |
| 17:58.22 | Sixen | lol |
| 17:58.26 | haste | it tasted horrible! |
| 17:58.37 | haste | then again, I hate fast-food |
| 17:58.47 | Shirik|AFK | I love fast food, mostly because I hate eating and sleeping |
| 17:58.51 | Shirik|AFK | such a waste of time |
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| 17:59.37 | Shirik|AFK | does anyone still have a pre-5.1 interpreter floating around somewhere? |
| 17:59.48 | Shirik|AFK | (I'd prefer not to compile just for a simple test) |
| 18:00.28 | haste | compiling lua takes 3 seconds! |
| 18:00.29 | amro | Shirik|AFK: any specific version? |
| 18:00.36 | Shirik|AFK | anything before 5.1 basically |
| 18:00.43 | Shirik|AFK | doesn't really matter, so long as it has tables |
| 18:01.06 | amro | owait I updated |
| 18:01.16 | Shirik|AFK | boo :< |
| 18:01.20 | Shirik|AFK | fine I'll go download |
| 18:01.28 | haste | :D |
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| 18:05.21 | Shirik|AFK | ... oh my |
| 18:05.36 | Shirik|AFK | um |
| 18:05.39 | Shirik|AFK | 1>Build log was saved at "file://c:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Visual Studio 2008\Projects\Lua50\Debug\BuildLog.htm" |
| 18:05.39 | Shirik|AFK | 1>Lua50 - 1896 error(s), 60 warning(s) |
| 18:05.39 | Shirik|AFK | ========== Build: 0 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ========== |
| 18:06.11 | copystring | lol |
| 18:10.17 | Shirik|AFK | found it |
| 18:10.22 | Shirik|AFK | apparently they moved lua.h to some other place |
| 18:11.07 | Adys | http://static3.filefront.com/images/personal/k/Kilh/130841/ojjakpfgmp.jpg |
| 18:11.12 | Adys | That is awesome |
| 18:14.29 | amro | Shirik|AFK: doesn't msvc stop after X errors? |
| 18:14.52 | Shirik|AFK | That's what I thought.... |
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| 18:22.45 | Adys | amro: I'm pretty sure msvc loves errors |
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| 18:29.58 | kaso | aargh, mac! Everything is different |
| 18:32.16 | amro | that's a nice way of saying it |
| 18:32.38 | kaso | howcome ctrl doesnt do anything i want it to now >< |
| 18:33.07 | Lopeppeppy | Hateful? |
| 18:33.42 | kaso | I just want to ctrl-backspace to remove a word at a time, or ctrl-f to find on page in firefox |
| 18:33.49 | kaso | nothing works right >< |
| 18:34.02 | amro | took me awhile to get used to it |
| 18:34.09 | amro | but hey at least there's a decent terminal |
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| 18:38.55 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, if you're mean to purl I'll put icyhot in your jock. |
| 18:39.16 | malreth | common misconception |
| 18:39.18 | malreth | i'm not male |
| 18:39.25 | malreth | i'm neutral |
| 18:39.50 | malreth | smooth... like a treasure troll |
| 18:40.48 | Lopeppeppy | Then I'll put it in your eyes. You have eyes, yes? |
| 18:41.01 | malreth | oh snap, yes! |
| 18:41.46 | Lopeppeppy | Then be nice to purl. Or she and I will take revenge. |
| 18:42.18 | malreth | i'm always nice to purl |
| 18:42.21 | Matrix110 | purl benice to malreth |
| 18:42.23 | malreth | ~nice purl |
| 18:42.24 | purl | ACTION lowers purl's priority |
| 18:42.28 | Matrix110 | purl be nice to malreth |
| 18:42.33 | purl | ACTION pats malreth on the back and slips malreth a $50 to shut up |
| 18:42.48 | malreth | :X |
| 18:50.35 | Shirik|AFK | see haste, this is why wendy's is awesome |
| 18:50.47 | haste | what? |
| 18:50.53 | Shirik | if you're feeling extra hungry, you can always order 5 chicken nuggets and it only costs you and extra $1 |
| 18:51.00 | Shirik | or in my case, order 2 packs and costs $2 >.> |
| 18:51.21 | haste | it doesn't taste any good d: |
| 18:51.31 | Shirik | tastes great! |
| 18:51.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: there are no "nuggets" on a chicken. |
| 18:51.50 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 18:51.51 | malreth | chick-a-fil nuggets are better |
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| 18:52.05 | Shirik | sure there are ScytheBlade1 ;) |
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| 18:52.48 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: yes there are |
| 18:52.48 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah no |
| 18:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: ORLY |
| 18:52.56 | cogwheel | most people call them Oysters |
| 18:53.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:53.02 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 18:53.10 | cogwheel | no srsly... |
| 18:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I know |
| 18:53.19 | malreth | oh... if only all chicken nuggets were made from teh oysters |
| 18:53.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Which scares me |
| 18:53.22 | cogwheel | ok :P |
| 18:53.26 | malreth | but |
| 18:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Because you have a point |
| 18:53.33 | malreth | it would be a chicken holocaust |
| 18:54.05 | cogwheel | I actually had no idea they were called oysters until a couple weeks ago when we were watching the next food network star XD |
| 18:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I had no idea about that until just this week when it was posted on my guild forums |
| 18:54.27 | Lopeppeppy | Rocky Mountain Oysters, anyone? |
| 18:54.39 | malreth | none of you have seen Amalie? |
| 18:54.50 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: those fit within the parameters of my pledge... |
| 18:55.37 | cogwheel | malreth: possibly... i don't have a good memory for movies... |
| 18:56.09 | Lopeppeppy | They fit mine too, cogwheel. Can't see why I wouldn't? |
| 18:56.15 | Shirik | batrick!!! I have thought of the perfect solution to your problem!! |
| 18:56.20 | Shirik | Implement a taint system. |
| 18:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Here we are |
| 18:56.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The *image* that informed me of "oysters" - http://www.photoshoptalent.com/images/contests/gross%20meals/fullsize/gross%20meals_463635f482423.jpg |
| 18:57.03 | Shirik | Do I want to click that while eating? |
| 18:57.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Note that the only photoshop there would be the ice cream cones |
| 18:57.24 | Shirik | Also, Microsoft sucks |
| 18:57.33 | Shirik | I'm expecting my authenticator in the mail any day, so I go to check my mailbox |
| 18:57.37 | Shirik | and lo and behold, there's a package in there |
| 18:57.38 | Adys | Anyone running wlk under wine? |
| 18:57.45 | Shirik | on closer inspection, it's Microsoft sending me some MSDN dvds |
| 18:58.21 | Adys | Actually, anyone running wlk and able to test something quick for me? |
| 18:58.35 | Fisker- | you should be happy you were getting msdn dvds |
| 18:59.39 | Cide | Adys: ask, not ask2as |
| 18:59.40 | Cide | ask |
| 18:59.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: fyi: it's a bad idea to remove mktemp and then reboot before you update coreutils |
| 18:59.54 | malreth | ~asktoask |
| 18:59.55 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 18:59.55 | Adys | I need someone who can boot into opengl and test the shadow system |
| 18:59.56 | Shirik | rofl |
| 18:59.59 | Shirik | yes, bad idea |
| 19:00.02 | Shirik | "lol cd not found" ? |
| 19:00.28 | Adys | s/opengl/opengl mode/ |
| 19:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | For the most part it just borked my shutdown sequence |
| 19:00.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I turned off my computer and went to bed |
| 19:00.54 | Shirik | oh well that's not too bad |
| 19:01.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Came back to find it still on with a page of error messages |
| 19:01.04 | Fisker- | btw Shirik |
| 19:01.07 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:01.07 | Fisker- | i has authenticator irl |
| 19:01.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Why would cd use mktemp? :P |
| 19:01.25 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 19:01.31 | Shirik | I know that's what coreutils has >.> |
| 19:01.42 | Shirik | I didn't bother to look at why it blocks |
| 19:01.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Because directory enumeration requires temp files. Yes@ |
| 19:02.07 | ScytheBlade1 | s//@/! |
| 19:02.07 | Shirik | yup |
| 19:02.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Err whoops |
| 19:02.08 | ScytheBlade1 | *! |
| 19:02.17 | Shirik | screw RAM |
| 19:02.20 | Shirik | use temp files, is better |
| 19:02.24 | Shirik | don't waste memory |
| 19:02.46 | ScytheBlade1 | But but... isn't my hard drive my memory?! |
| 19:02.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It says I have 600GB of free memory.. |
| 19:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 19:02.59 | Shirik | ^_^ |
| 19:03.04 | Shirik | I'm so glad I don't have to deal with that anymore |
| 19:03.11 | Adys | memory IS ram! |
| 19:03.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: millions of helpdesks worldwide? |
| 19:03.38 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:03.45 | Adys | Well there is that |
| 19:03.48 | malreth | at the help desk i worked at, people would come in and ask if they could "download the internet to their floppy" |
| 19:04.03 | Shirik | oh! Act 3 is out! |
| 19:04.09 | malreth | Shirik: yess |
| 19:04.20 | Shirik | http://www.drhorrible.com/act_III.html |
| 19:04.21 | Shirik | yey |
| 19:04.50 | cogwheel | moo |
| 19:04.58 | malreth | neigh |
| 19:05.01 | Fisker- | what fail is this Shirik ? |
| 19:05.21 | Shirik | it will probably take a little longer malreth, because unlike you, people in this channel ping me every 5 seconds |
| 19:05.22 | cogwheel | they should flat out censor youtube999 dot com from the forums (DON'T GO TO THAT ADDRESS) |
| 19:05.23 | Shirik | especially Lopeppeppy |
| 19:05.40 | Fisker- | WHAT FAILERY IS THIS |
| 19:05.42 | malreth | Shirik: easy... /leave #wowuidev |
| 19:05.51 | Shirik | I don't want to make you all sad |
| 19:05.54 | malreth | cogwheel: i agree |
| 19:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: I've submitted it to google numerous times, after a bit of them not doing anything about it I poked more |
| 19:06.22 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: long story short the malware is hosted two javascript layers deep on ageofconan**S**.net |
| 19:06.30 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: which is properly labeled and blocked by firefox |
| 19:06.36 | ScytheBlade1 | (Silently) |
| 19:06.56 | malreth | so... no sex legs? |
| 19:07.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:07.40 | Shirik | sqrt(a+b+x) = dead face |
| 19:08.11 | malreth | Shirik: his work is impeccable. you cannot fathom to comprehend! |
| 19:08.22 | curti | Would anyone mind taking a look at an addon I've been working on? http://www.windspearclan.com/Downloads/Drums.zip |
| 19:08.57 | Fisker- | i so sex it hurt malreth |
| 19:09.47 | ScytheBlade1 | no, no sex legs |
| 19:09.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Well actually |
| 19:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, yes you do get sex legs |
| 19:10.06 | ScytheBlade1 | And no malware, if you're on firefox/opera |
| 19:11.00 | malreth | curti: my advice: learn you some slash commands instead of expecting your users to whisper themselves to set options |
| 19:11.18 | curti | Yes, I'm going to look into that next. |
| 19:11.41 | curti | Any other suggestions? |
| 19:12.38 | malreth | i can see a reason why you have each frame in its own xml file... but it isn't necessary. no biggie there |
| 19:13.25 | malreth | also... elseif (event=="CHAT_MSG_WHISPER" and arg1 == "LEAVE MY RAID BITCH" and arg2 == "Secksie" and x>20) then Logout(); |
| 19:13.35 | malreth | i take it Secksie is you? |
| 19:13.40 | curti | No. |
| 19:13.49 | malreth | Kromgall? |
| 19:13.54 | curti | No. |
| 19:14.14 | malreth | one of these days, i need to write out the AddOn Users Bill of Rights |
| 19:14.18 | cogwheel | arg1 and arg2 need to change... |
| 19:14.30 | cogwheel | curti: where are you learning to write addons? |
| 19:14.56 | curti | I'm just looking at wowwiki and other addons. :( |
| 19:14.58 | malreth | personally, i don't approve of any addon that explicitly codes in remote control of the player like that |
| 19:16.16 | cogwheel | using the global this, arg1-argn, and event parameters has been deprecated since 12/5/06. Unfortunately, so many people still use it that newcomers think it's correct |
| 19:16.32 | cogwheel | it looks like they may be doing away with it entirely for 3.0 |
| 19:18.14 | cogwheel | bleh... someone really needs to scrape that off wowwiki... |
| 19:18.23 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API) |
| 19:19.10 | malreth | also, your use of a global variable named 'msg' is going to cause you problems |
| 19:19.22 | malreth | especially since it's use is integral to your addon working |
| 19:19.41 | cogwheel | curti: http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_best_practices#Use_local_event_handler_parameters |
| 19:19.44 | malreth | any other addon that comes along and uses that same variable name will destroy your addon |
| 19:19.55 | Shirik | wow malreth |
| 19:20.00 | Shirik | That's... not what I expected at all |
| 19:20.01 | malreth | and 'msg' happens to be a very commonly used variable name |
| 19:20.04 | NightHawkTheSane | John Crichton is my hero. |
| 19:20.09 | malreth | Shirik: i know! |
| 19:20.12 | Shirik | but a good ending :) |
| 19:20.16 | NightHawkTheSane | "He's crazy." "Isn't it fun?" |
| 19:20.16 | malreth | i agree |
| 19:20.55 | malreth | i'll wait until after tomorrow to start discussing spoilers, tho |
| 19:21.00 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 19:21.02 | malreth | but man... |
| 19:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | hey cogwheel |
| 19:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That "why not use curse" thread? |
| 19:21.17 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: drhorrible, you mean? |
| 19:21.25 | malreth | NightHawkTheSane: correct |
| 19:21.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Great response, but that thread is over a year old :) |
| 19:21.30 | NightHawkTheSane | love act 3 :D |
| 19:21.52 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: scroll up to shirik's ~lart cogwheel |
| 19:21.55 | cogwheel | :P |
| 19:21.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: there's a couple unexpected bits, but I'm not really terrible surprised. |
| 19:22.00 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, sorry |
| 19:22.30 | cogwheel | curti: don't know if anyone's already mentioned it but... |
| 19:22.34 | cogwheel | ~wowprogramming |
| 19:22.35 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 19:23.36 | curti | Thank you malreth and cogwheel. |
| 19:24.43 | Adys | cogwheel: Could ya test something for me a sec? :P |
| 19:25.49 | malreth | gotta go dress my fiancee... i think she forgot how |
| 19:28.22 | Fisker- | ~lart cogwheel |
| 19:28.22 | purl | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses cogwheel's head to break the homerun record |
| 19:29.02 | Shirik | wow, that was a pretty complex operation then |
| 19:29.08 | Shirik | It wasn't just like 10 people like I thought it was |
| 19:29.15 | Shirik | hell they even had a steadicam |
| 19:29.33 | Shirik | those things are expensive :/ |
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| 19:35.16 | cogwheel | ~poke sioraioc_ |
| 19:35.16 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind sioraioc_, pokes sioraioc_ repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 20:07.12 | Fisker- | Sixen you look hawt |
| 20:08.24 | Sixen | <3 |
| 20:08.38 | Fisker- | in-game that is |
| 20:08.42 | Sixen | IRL too. |
| 20:08.48 | Fisker- | I disagree |
| 20:08.54 | Sixen | Stalker? |
| 20:08.55 | cogwheel | ss or it didn't happen |
| 20:08.58 | Sixen | =o |
| 20:09.04 | cogwheel | :P |
| 20:09.12 | Fisker- | stalker indeed |
| 20:09.20 | Sixen | I got rickrolled by Fry's today, o_O |
| 20:09.27 | Sixen | Fry's as in, the foodstore. |
| 20:10.02 | Sixen | They had "Never Gonna Give You Up" playing over the loudspeaker. |
| 20:10.04 | Sixen | I was like wtf..? |
| 20:10.16 | curti | lol |
| 20:10.25 | Sixen | Then I laughed out loud, my manager was like hm? |
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| 20:29.40 | curti | be back in a bit! |
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| 20:59.39 | kd3 | yay for cars taking out power poles |
| 21:02.26 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 21:03.05 | kd3 | the car must've been going at least 70 to shear off a good foot-and-a-half-diameter wood pole |
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| 21:05.23 | Lopeppeppy | Yowch. |
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| 21:07.50 | Mikk | Snork, first ever chuck joke that made me laugh out loud. |
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| 21:08.06 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:08.06 | Mikk | "Contrary to popular belief, Chuck Norris actually died 10 years ago. The Grim Reaper is just too afraid to tell him." |
| 21:08.10 | Shirik | lol |
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| 21:09.01 | Thunder_Child | gah, i realy hate asus sometimes |
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| 21:09.34 | Thunder_Child | installing drivers for a new computer at it kills the freeDOS setup |
| 21:10.23 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, forget it |
| 21:10.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Time to nuke this computer and install debian |
| 21:10.31 | ScytheBlade1 | BYE GENTOO |
| 21:12.02 | Lopeppeppy | bye gentoo! |
| 21:12.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually I may not have time today >_> |
| 21:12.44 | Shirik | WHAT?! |
| 21:12.56 | [dRaCo] | doesnt debian have some fire-and-forget installer thingy? |
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| 21:13.12 | ScytheBlade1 | 'k then, fix my problem |
| 21:13.21 | Shirik | rm -rf /; emerge world; |
| 21:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/91630 |
| 21:13.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Neither of those packages are installed |
| 21:13.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yet blocking each other |
| 21:13.48 | Shirik | likely that you have a dependency clashing |
| 21:13.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: :( |
| 21:14.05 | Shirik | can I see the whole result of "emerge -pv world" ? |
| 21:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I know I do. Through no fault of my own. |
| 21:14.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 21:14.10 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
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| 21:15.07 | ScytheBlade1 | refresh the pastey |
| 21:15.52 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: how about this |
| 21:16.01 | Shirik | in /etc/make.conf add USE flag -avahi |
| 21:16.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I want avahi. |
| 21:16.11 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:17.07 | Fersinji | :-( |
| 21:18.04 | Shirik | try this ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:18.08 | Shirik | try adding a mdnsresponder-compat useflag |
| 21:19.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Same thing. |
| 21:19.10 | Shirik | what about zeroconf useflag? :P |
| 21:19.16 | Shirik | Just going through forums right now, lol |
| 21:19.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Would likely only make it worse |
| 21:20.11 | Shirik | what architecture are you on? |
| 21:20.12 | wereHamster | which packages pull in avahi and which mdnsresponder? |
| 21:20.18 | ScytheBlade1 | amd64 |
| 21:20.25 | Shirik | http://www.gentoo-portage.com/net-dns/avahi/ChangeLog |
| 21:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | KDE for the most part |
| 21:20.32 | Shirik | you should be able to use the mdnsresponder-compat useflag... |
| 21:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, that |
| 21:20.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That's already enabled |
| 21:20.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Some other package is depending on the mDNSResponder package |
| 21:21.10 | Shirik | I know I'm just saying, if you rebuild avahi with mdnsresponder-compat it should resolve it :/ |
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| 21:22.08 | Thunder_Child | wtf, i install vista, reboot and it tells me my product activation window is expired |
| 21:22.21 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:23.12 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: can you do "emerge -pv world" with mdnsresponder-compat set and show it to me? :D |
| 21:23.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It's the exact same thing, mdnsresponder-compat *has* been set forever |
| 21:24.06 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:25.29 | Thunder_Child | and it says "this copy of windows not genuine"...this is the copy that i got directly from microsoft |
| 21:25.54 | Shirik | looks like you got a fun phonecall ahead, Thunder_Child |
| 21:26.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Rebuilt avahi, same blocking. |
| 21:26.58 | Thunder_Child | ffs...another reboot and now it doesnt say it at all |
| 21:27.04 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 21:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | mdnsresponder-compat builds includes/libs that emulate mdnsresponder, and not the package |
| 21:27.28 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:27.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Some other package is dependant on the *package* not the includes/libs |
| 21:27.46 | ScytheBlade1 | mdnsresponder-compat changes nothing (but thanks for at least poking at it, it was worth a shot) |
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| 21:29.43 | Shirik | yeah that seems like a bug in a package, ScytheBlade1, but I have no idea how to find which one |
| 21:30.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 21:30.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Through no fault of my own gentoo is broken :P |
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| 21:33.36 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: One last thing? |
| 21:33.57 | Shirik | try use flag bindist |
| 21:34.33 | Shirik | scanning through the KDE dependencies is hurting my head |
| 21:34.46 | Shirik | I'm trying to trace the graph here and there's so many use-flag-conditional-dependencies for KDE... |
| 21:36.31 | Adys | [00:34:33] <@Shirik> ... KDE ... is hurting my head |
| 21:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | KDE is awesome :P |
| 21:36.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Gentoo... not so much lately |
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| 21:37.31 | Shirik | did you try ScytheBlade1?! |
| 21:37.35 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 21:37.45 | Shirik | I give up if that doesn't help |
| 21:38.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope still broke |
| 21:39.32 | Shirik | k I give up |
| 21:39.36 | Shirik | that's what you deserve |
| 21:39.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Me too! |
| 21:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:39.54 | Shirik | debian is ok.. I guess |
| 21:40.00 | Shirik | at least it's not ubuntu |
| 21:40.33 | wereHamster | I bet gnome doens't have such problems :P |
| 21:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I bet it depends on mDNSResponder just the same |
| 21:40.46 | wereHamster | emerge -C kde; emerge gnomer |
| 21:40.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is the problem |
| 21:40.59 | ScytheBlade1 | As I have other things which depend on avahi |
| 21:41.03 | ScytheBlade1 | And they block each other |
| 21:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnome or KDE has nothing to do with it (further gnome sucks) |
| 21:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 21:41.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Gentoo breaking things has everything to do with it |
| 21:41.28 | wereHamster | actually, I don't have the whole gnome package, it pulls in way too many dependencies. I just pick whatever applications and tools I need |
| 21:41.41 | Shirik | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 21:41.43 | purl | ACTION hugs Lopeppeppy tightly until Lopeppeppy turns slightly blue |
| 21:41.45 | Shirik | for what it's worth, I <3 gnome |
| 21:41.53 | Shirik | even though I'm a hordie |
| 21:42.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: http://www.gnome.org/ - not my mage :( |
| 21:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what happens when you have a desktop project and a WoW class with the same name! |
| 21:43.08 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 21:43.55 | Shirik | When portage gives you problems, you listen to relaxing music :) http://youtube.com/watch?v=et-ArcQyJTI |
| 21:44.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That's youtube |
| 21:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm both not clicking and can't click |
| 21:44.27 | Shirik | I promise it's not a rickroll... |
| 21:44.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have flash installed :P |
| 21:45.47 | amro | that youtube link is almost readable |
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| 21:47.05 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 21:47.43 | Lunessa | :P Only because you set purl to do it. :P |
| 21:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That was not me, actually |
| 21:47.56 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 21:49.31 | Lunessa | *chuckle* Maltreth kept failing on it, so it had to be someone else then. |
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| 21:52.39 | laeg | just got cloak of shadows and from what i've read about it online it's a criminal ability! |
| 21:53.12 | laeg | combined with gnome escape artist and insignia/medallion of the alliance it will be a great help in pvp |
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| 21:54.09 | Lopeppeppy | For every "awesome combo" there's a counter, so don't get yourself all worked up that it's the bestest thing ever. |
| 21:54.58 | laeg | whether or not there's a counter doesn't take away from the value of an ability |
| 21:55.22 | laeg | you made a spacious analogy. |
| 21:55.33 | Lunessa | I think you mean "specious" |
| 21:56.05 | Lunessa | because otherwise her anology would be roomy, and probably look good with a couch and a coffee table. |
| 21:56.16 | Atriace_ | mmmm... coffee |
| 21:56.40 | laeg | Lunessa: i mean spacious |
| 21:57.03 | laeg | as in vacuous |
| 21:57.03 | Atriace_ | ~dict spacious |
| 21:57.18 | Atriace_ | ~dict specious |
| 21:57.44 | Atriace_ | not that I'm saying anything, but I think the dictionary speaks volumes. |
| 21:57.57 | Lunessa | laeg: vacuous !=speacious. |
| 21:58.12 | laeg | vacuos = spacious |
| 21:58.12 | Lunessa | spacious even. |
| 21:58.31 | Lunessa | Oh and on that note, time to jet. Date for a baseball game. Later. |
| 21:58.36 | laeg | ~dict vacous |
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| 21:58.53 | laeg | ~dict vacuous |
| 21:59.31 | laeg | i know what i meant when i said it because i was there when i did so. |
| 22:08.25 | Lopeppeppy | And I know that my reply was perfectly in tone and content with what I replied to. Irony can be sooo subtle these days. |
| 22:11.00 | laeg | oh the ironing. |
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| 22:20.08 | foxlit | Clearly needs more people: http://www.go-hero.net/jam/lang/Lua |
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| 22:20.34 | Amarande | ok, question about LUA's. |
| 22:20.52 | Amarande | is it possible to program an LUA in a way that's faulty -that causes WoW to exit with a fatal rather than simply causing the LUA to not work-? |
| 22:20.53 | Shirik | Lua is not an acronym |
| 22:20.56 | foxlit | Lunatics Under Attack? |
| 22:20.57 | Shirik | omg /dies |
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| 22:21.15 | Shirik | yes, Amarande, it is |
| 22:21.19 | Shirik | however it's extremely difficult to do |
| 22:21.23 | Corrodias | I ALWAYS SPEAK IN CAPS WHEN TAKLING ABOUT LUA |
| 22:21.26 | Shirik | and usually has to be intentionally malicious to do that |
| 22:21.29 | Corrodias | BUT I PREFER TO SPELL IT L.U.A. |
| 22:21.31 | Amarande | Shirik: would it be possible for that fatal to be Error 134 failed to read data, in particular? |
| 22:21.40 | Shirik | THAT is unlikely |
| 22:21.53 | Shirik | but wouldn't be unheard of |
| 22:22.00 | Amarande | however |
| 22:22.02 | Shirik | there's a lot of very strange things you can do |
| 22:22.03 | Amarande | given what's going on on the forums |
| 22:22.06 | ScytheBlade1 | 134 is almost 100% always entirely unrelated to addons |
| 22:22.17 | ScytheBlade1 | 134 is almost 100% always entirely related to faulty hardware |
| 22:22.18 | Shirik | 134 has to do with the MPQ doesn't it? |
| 22:22.21 | Amarande | I *would* like to see someone with some spare time go all out to try to code an addon that causes such an error when used, to see if it could be happening |
| 22:22.52 | Amarande | ScytheBlade1: explain then why people have bought brand new PCs, at least one person plunked down 3 grand on an Alienware IN TODAY'S ECONOMY in an effort to fix the problem, and they STILL get E134 |
| 22:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: because software isn't perfect |
| 22:23.06 | Amarande | also, the error seems to only ever happen in WoW according to everyone getting it |
| 22:23.17 | Amarande | even Neverwinter Nights 2, which is at least as demanding on CPU, RAM, and GPU all as WoW is, doesn't do it |
| 22:23.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: I see the source of your rage |
| 22:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ... perfectly clearly |
| 22:23.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a friend with the exact same problem |
| 22:23.45 | Amarande | ScytheBlade1: what IS the cause? |
| 22:23.54 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/jam/name/Shirik : boo, hiss :) |
| 22:23.55 | ScytheBlade1 | That, as far as I can tell, is a WoW bug triggered on specific hardware |
| 22:23.57 | Amarande | it happens even on people who have tested their hardware and come up clean |
| 22:24.01 | Corrodias | a bug in the latest version of WoW, isn't it? |
| 22:24.02 | Amarande | and why won't Blizzard fix the bug? |
| 22:24.05 | Shirik | oh stfu |
| 22:24.09 | Amarande | Corrodias: started with 2.4.2, was not fixed with 2.4.3 |
| 22:24.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it isn't as easy as pushing a button |
| 22:24.12 | Shirik | I only had a few hours :P And gave up |
| 22:24.14 | Corrodias | because they want people to stop playing WoW |
| 22:24.20 | ScytheBlade1 | If they could just push a button and fix it, they would |
| 22:24.22 | Corrodias | it's a conspiracy, i tell you |
| 22:24.24 | Shirik | hahaha you isolated the language? |
| 22:24.29 | Amarande | Corrodias: they have an expansion coming out. I don't think they'd want to lose people to Age of Conan now :) |
| 22:24.40 | Thunder_Child | not likely |
| 22:24.41 | Corrodias | bugs are obvious, didn't you know that? fixing bugs is as easy as blinking and wiggling your nose. |
| 22:24.44 | Amarande | which is apparently exactly what's happening, people are switching to AoC or EQ2 instead |
| 22:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | 134 is either 100% hardware OR things like memory leaks/stack overflows/general super annoying and rarely triggered bugs in WoW |
| 22:24.52 | Corrodias | you obviously know nothing about programming, ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: say what you will about competing games in the market, but sorry, fixing bugs isn't as easy as pushing a button |
| 22:25.16 | Amarande | well, they have all the error reports |
| 22:25.24 | Amarande | they surely should be able to find something in common among most/all of them |
| 22:25.30 | Amarande | however, what annoys me is |
| 22:25.33 | Corrodias | i bet it's just somewhere there's a condition "if (WeDontLikeYou()) then CrashWith134() endif" |
| 22:25.44 | Amarande | the blues don't even want to -say- what's going on other than give the automatic 'fix your PC' message |
| 22:25.46 | ScytheBlade1 | You really have no idea just how hard it is to track down a memory leak, do you? |
| 22:25.48 | nevcairiel | Well |
| 22:25.55 | Amarande | ScytheBlade1: I have something of an idea, actually |
| 22:25.59 | nevcairiel | Do you think they just ignore the bugs and do nothing about it? |
| 22:26.03 | nevcairiel | I seriously doubt that |
| 22:26.09 | Amarande | especially since it's real easy to run malloc() indirectly and not realize it and forget to free() later :) |
| 22:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: by all means contribute. But pleas try to tone the trolling dow a hint. |
| 22:26.15 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: #include "ShirikMemoryTracker.h"; #define USE_MEMORY_CHECK; make; run |
| 22:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | *please |
| 22:26.22 | Shirik | let program exit |
| 22:26.26 | Shirik | double click |
| 22:26.27 | Shirik | done |
| 22:26.46 | Shirik | of course there's other programs to do that, like valgrind :P |
| 22:26.54 | Amarande | I can tell it's not the MPQ's, at any rate |
| 22:26.57 | Corrodias | once there are enough reports of the same issue, it's investigated. investigations of bugs aren't straightforward, especially when it's a mysterious crash on certain hardware only. |
| 22:27.04 | Shirik | how can you say that, Amarande? |
| 22:27.09 | Corrodias | hell, first they have to reproduce the condition themselves; they may not HAVE a computer that crashes |
| 22:27.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: as far as I can tell, 134 failes to read data is a WoW bug that is new as of 2.4.2 that is commonly triggered on NForce 4 hardware and ATi video cards |
| 22:27.24 | ScytheBlade1 | s/failes/failed/ |
| 22:27.26 | Amarande | Shirik: in my case anyway, every time I run the repair tool it finishes with "has successfully verified World of Warcraft" |
| 22:27.30 | Shirik | and? |
| 22:27.34 | Amarande | I DO happen to have nForce4 and an ATI card though |
| 22:27.39 | Amarande | however |
| 22:27.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Called it |
| 22:27.43 | Shirik | You don't know that Blizzard didn't send borked MPQ files |
| 22:27.45 | Corrodias | repair tools are designed to debug programs |
| 22:27.53 | Shirik | to literally everyone |
| 22:28.00 | foxlit | Shirik: yeah, approximately -- there are a few unknowns, and a few people supplying junk as source |
| 22:28.11 | Amarande | purl: the alienware PC one person bought to try to fix it, I looked it up on google |
| 22:28.19 | Shirik | um, purl is a bot |
| 22:28.24 | Amarande | it has nVidia cards, and CERTAINLY a new alienware isn't going to be nForce4 based. :) |
| 22:28.33 | Corrodias | stay back; we're going steady |
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| 22:28.40 | Shirik | ~tackle thrae |
| 22:28.41 | purl | ACTION tackles thrae to the ground. |
| 22:28.51 | Amarande | you can't even get an nForce4 board anymore can you? heh |
| 22:29.05 | Amarande | ok, let's put this differently |
| 22:29.29 | Corrodias | you know, that only makes it harder to track down |
| 22:29.30 | Amarande | is there any way I'm going to be able to raid before Wrath of the Lich King without abandoning my travel plans to use the money to buy a new motherboard, CPU, and DDR2 RAM |
| 22:29.39 | Corrodias | if it only happened on one specific combination of hardware, it would be easier to find the bug |
| 22:29.57 | Amarande | (the sad thing is, one of my guildies says he's known players who are even more unreliable than E134 victims ... lol) |
| 22:30.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: let's put this differently for you: no amount of discussion or arguing here is going to fix the problem in any way at all |
| 22:30.19 | Amarande | ScytheBlade1: any settings that can be altered to fix it? |
| 22:30.29 | Amarande | some people have speculated dual core CPUs are the culprit but I don't know how likely that is |
| 22:30.32 | Corrodias | now that's a good question; workarounds? |
| 22:30.34 | Thrae | Amarande: What seems to be the problem? |
| 22:30.48 | Amarande | Thrae: intermittently, usually at least once a day, I get crashed out with "Error 134: Failed to read data" |
| 22:30.53 | nevcairiel | I know alot of people with dual cores and noone of them has issues |
| 22:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: not that I know of. As far as I can tell from reading the threads and analyzing the memory dump files generated from WoW/windows, there is really nothing the average user can do to fix it. Gotta be blizzard. |
| 22:31.00 | Corrodias | eh, dual core problems would be easy to workaround if that's the case. set it to single-core affinity |
| 22:31.01 | nevcairiel | one being me |
| 22:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | (And I have read the threads, all of them) |
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| 22:31.22 | Amarande | ScytheBlade1: then why does Blizzard always claim it's the user PC? |
| 22:31.28 | Amarande | Every blue post has claimed that. |
| 22:31.34 | Thrae | Because it usually is. |
| 22:31.37 | Amarande | They don't even admit the presence OF a bug, let alone say they're looking into it |
| 22:31.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 22:31.39 | ScytheBlade1 | sec, WSG |
| 22:31.56 | nevcairiel | What they admit, and what they internally really do, is totally different |
| 22:32.00 | Amarande | and well ... I understand tracking down a bug can be hard to do :) |
| 22:32.10 | nevcairiel | Dont asume they dont check the bug just because they dont tell you |
| 22:32.12 | Amarande | however, discovering that a bug exists somewhere in something is usually fairly easy to ascertain :) |
| 22:32.20 | Thrae | Amarande, who do you trust more -- people who are paid to design a game engine, or people who pay to play a game yet do not properly take care of their computer let alone think it's worth the money to upgrade? |
| 22:32.24 | Corrodias | they probably will acknowledge it as a wow bug soon, if enough people are reporting it |
| 22:32.51 | Amarande | lemme guess, they'd bleed even more customers if they admitted there was a bug but also that it's taking them that long to figure out what the bug actually is |
| 22:32.52 | Thrae | In a sea of idiocy, it is hard to find voice. |
| 22:32.57 | Corrodias | you don't want to jump the gun as a company and say "yeah, there's a bug we can't fix, everybody panic" if it isn't necessarily their fault |
| 22:33.19 | Amarande | as in, say, the case of Obsidian/Atari's woes holding onto NWN2 customers |
| 22:33.30 | Thrae | Amarande: What file is giving the 134 error? |
| 22:34.28 | Amarande | Thrae: in the case of this (and everyone else's 134 apparently) it doesn't give a file |
| 22:34.34 | Amarande | ERROR #134 (0x85100086) Fatal Condition |
| 22:34.34 | Amarande | Program:C:\1\WoW\WoW.exe |
| 22:34.34 | Amarande | Failed to read data. |
| 22:34.42 | Amarande | that's all you get, besides the stack trace etc. |
| 22:34.55 | Thrae | Amarande: Not according to almighty Google |
| 22:34.59 | Corrodias | as far as i know, nwn2 doesn't have customers because it's not a good game |
| 22:35.11 | Corrodias | i might be wrong, but not according to what i've heard |
| 22:35.19 | Shirik | 85100086? |
| 22:35.23 | Thrae | Looks like Error 134 is just some generic error message, like an assert |
| 22:35.23 | Shirik | that's an interesting code |
| 22:35.50 | Arrowmaster | anybody know if wow will preform math operations when loading saved vars? |
| 22:35.51 | Thrae | Error 134 can also happen if a file is missing...hmm, seems to be a problem reading files |
| 22:35.54 | Amarande | Corrodias: apparently the problem with NWN2 was that for a long time the game was plagued with bugs that Obsidian was unable to track down, especially one that caused party members to vanish permanently when zoning with pets/summons active |
| 22:36.16 | Thrae | Amarande: Do you have more then one hard drive? |
| 22:36.18 | Amarande | Obsidian had been aware that bug existed, knew it was a bug, but from 1.00 to at least 1.11 they were unable to even figure out precisely what caused it |
| 22:36.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: we as users have exactly zero clues as to what may or may not fix it. Further, you have no proof that in the cases where user PCs were blamed that the problem wasn't fixed for at least one person, as all users like to do is whine. To state that Blizzard is turning a blind eye and trying to ignore the problem entirely is a bit daft, regardles of how you may feel about the issue |
| 22:36.21 | Amarande | Thrae: Nope, just the one. |
| 22:36.54 | Amarande | Scythe: Perhaps I tend to be more sensitive to what seems like poor customer service because I work in customer service |
| 22:37.04 | Thrae | Amarande: Try a chkdsk /r on your drive, then use Ultimate Boot CD or Hiren's Boot CD to do a sector seek of your HDD later tonight. |
| 22:37.16 | Thrae | IE, look for bad blocks |
| 22:37.36 | Amarande | I have a tendency to hold other places' customer service to the same level of friendliness I give my customers |
| 22:37.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: and then you likewise know how maddening it is when a customer is flatly wrong or otherwise disallusioned. Blizzard has under 400 people working on WoW, not 4,000. |
| 22:37.42 | Amarande | This usually tends to create incredible rage. :) |
| 22:37.48 | Thrae | Amarande: I assume you've already deleted your WoW folder and reinstalled from scratch |
| 22:37.51 | Shirik | lua> n = tonumber("85100086", 16); s = ""; while n > 0 do s = (n%2)..s; n = n / 2; end print(s) |
| 22:37.52 | lua_bot | Shirik: 4.9406564584125e-3249.8813129168249e-3241.976262583365e-3233.95252516673e-3237.9050503334599e-3231.6304166312761e-3223.2608332625522e-3226.5710730896886e-3221.3142146179377e-3212.6284292358754e-3215.2568584717509e-3211.051865759996e-3202.103731519992e-3204.2074630399841e-3208.4149260799681e-3201.682... (result truncated) |
| 22:37.54 | Shirik | oops |
| 22:37.56 | Amarande | Thrae: that's what I'm about to attempt next |
| 22:38.00 | Shirik | lua> n = tonumber("85100086", 16); s = ""; while n > 0 do s = (n%2)..s; n = math.floor(n / 2); end print(s) |
| 22:38.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: 10000101000100000000000010000110 |
| 22:38.05 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: sadly, alot of people do exactly that because they dont release a hotfix within 2 days of their report and they dont have the slightest idea how hard it is to even confirm/reproduce a bug like that .. but oh well, i'm too liberal i guess :P |
| 22:38.36 | Thrae | Amarande: Oh, well Error 134 is a "file read error", so that should be the first thing you try after a Repair.exe run |
| 22:38.40 | Amarande | should I use the 2.3.0 and 2.4.0 patch files I already have on my hard drive, or should I bite the bullet and wait for the whole 2-3 GB of patches since 2.0 to download? |
| 22:38.45 | Shirik | lua> n = tonumber("85100086", 16); s = ""; while n > 0 do s = (n%2)..s; n = math.floor(n / 2); end print(s, #s) |
| 22:38.46 | lua_bot | Shirik: 10000101000100000000000010000110, 32 |
| 22:39.12 | Thrae | Amarande: Did you run Repair.exe already? |
| 22:39.25 | Amarande | I did. |
| 22:39.29 | Amarande | Like I said, it always insists WoW is OK |
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| 22:39.48 | Amarande | and indeed, after running repair, I'm able to log back on without the error immediately recurring |
| 22:39.50 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: so wow somehow knows more precise digits for numbers it prints to the savedvars than my standalone lua.exe |
| 22:39.55 | Shirik | lua> return tonumber("10100010000", 2) |
| 22:39.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1296 |
| 22:39.59 | Amarande | however if I DON'T run repair, for some odd reason, the error recurs immediately |
| 22:40.03 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: oh I know. But a lot of people are also stupid. :) |
| 22:40.04 | Shirik | wtf is facility 1296 |
| 22:40.13 | Shirik | I think wow is making up codes imo |
| 22:40.20 | Amarande | actually, if I remember I was getting that same behavior a while back when I had an nVidia video card, but it was error 131 then |
| 22:40.45 | Shirik | That's not even an "error" condition tbh |
| 22:40.48 | Shirik | That's a "warning" condition |
| 22:40.53 | Corrodias | windows caches recently-used things in memory |
| 22:41.16 | Corrodias | if you start it right back up without anything changing, i suspect it's reading a lot of the old stuff from memory |
| 22:41.24 | Thrae | Amarande: That's interesting. It could be the process of unpacking and repacking the MPQ files or something like that is moving data around on your HDD. Windows always keeps a defrag going in the background. I suggest doing a chkdsk /r when you have some time away from the computer, then, while you sleep, do a full surface scan of your HDD for bad sectors. |
| 22:41.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: as stated, I have a friend with the exact same issue. We have tried *EVERYTHING* and nothing has solved it. |
| 22:42.16 | Shirik | I really would like to know the cause, because that error code is invalid. If it is indeed a custom error code, then it should be setting the "client" bit |
| 22:42.17 | Thrae | Amarande: Since you're doing it while you sleep, there's no downtime for you. It's better to be safe then sorry. HDDs die way too often. |
| 22:42.20 | Shirik | which it didn't |
| 22:42.26 | Amarande | Scythe: So I'm probably best off making the sad decision to suspend my account since I have a 3 month rebill coming up soon, and not play again until WOTLK at the least? |
| 22:43.15 | Thrae | Amarande: What's your video card? |
| 22:43.15 | Amarande | with this error seeming to have a resilience rating of above nine thousand, it seems likely it won't be till at least 3.0.0 that it will be fixed |
| 22:43.16 | nevcairiel | thats your decision to make |
| 22:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: say what you will, but I'm not customer service rep. Tone it down please |
| 22:43.20 | Amarande | Thrae: ATI 3870 |
| 22:43.26 | Thrae | Ohhhh it's ATI |
| 22:43.34 | Amarande | Scythe: what video card does he have, btw? |
| 22:43.38 | Corrodias | honestly? i recommend it, Amarande. take some time away from WoW, i say. take some time to play other games. |
| 22:44.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: 9800gtx, it seems |
| 22:44.07 | Amarande | would it by any chance happen to be ATI? |
| 22:44.10 | Amarande | ahh |
| 22:44.19 | Amarande | yeah, that throws the ATI video card theory out the window |
| 22:44.38 | Thrae | I play WoW at work on multiple desktops and laptops and never seen Error 132. But we play it from an external HDD that gets re-imaged monthly. |
| 22:44.46 | Corrodias | well, it throws out the "only ati video on nf4 motherboard" thwory |
| 22:44.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I am personally very very sure that it is a WoW bug triggered by specific drivers |
| 22:45.01 | ScytheBlade1 | This is not the first time that something similar has happened, mind you |
| 22:45.06 | Thrae | Whoops, I mean error 134. I've never seen any errors. |
| 22:45.07 | Amarande | Thrae: I've only owned this hard drive for about six months, btw |
| 22:45.15 | Corrodias | WoW has often had some weird bugs |
| 22:45.23 | Amarande | the usual chestnut is that hard drives tend to either fail in the first month or not for years, right? |
| 22:45.26 | Corrodias | 6 months is prime failure time for a drive |
| 22:45.28 | ScytheBlade1 | But again, blizzard does have all of the reports. I really doubt that they are simply ignoring you and the others with the issue |
| 22:45.29 | Thrae | Amarande: I've seen plenty of HDDs break in less, and I'm not just trying to win an argument |
| 22:45.47 | Thrae | A Samsung (usually decent) died on me in 3 |
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| 22:46.10 | Amarande | Seagate here. |
| 22:46.15 | Nechckn | most electronics seem to work like that - break quickly or last a long time |
| 22:46.38 | Amarande | FWIW, I probably won't get to run the hard disk test till tomorrow night either |
| 22:46.42 | Nechckn | especially desktops where they are not moved, dropped, etc... =) |
| 22:46.45 | Thrae | Amarande: The problem with bad sectors is that as long as you avoid them, you'll never see trouble. But if you hit one, kaboom! Remember just one bad sector is relatively tiny. |
| 22:46.47 | Amarande | I'm working in the evening tomorrow and tend to night owl unless I have to work in the morning |
| 22:46.48 | Corrodias | mine was an IBM DeskStar, and it didn't technically fail; after a few years, it corrupted a few sectors, but it still ran and i was able to rescue the rest of the data |
| 22:47.08 | Amarande | Corrodias: weren't those the kind that were called IBM DeathStars? |
| 22:47.17 | Corrodias | i don't know |
| 22:47.29 | Corrodias | but that is funny |
| 22:47.35 | Amarande | I remember there being a lot of flak thrown at IBM hard drives in past years for lifetime reasons |
| 22:48.06 | Thrae | Nechckn: It's about the quality of components. As the quality decreases, so does the risk of failure. But this doesn't exclude sheer luck of the draw. The opposite also holds true -- a well-kept manufacturering company can still produce duds. |
| 22:48.57 | Amarande | I think I may simply obtain the newest Knoppix Linux disc and boot to that to test the hard disk from |
| 22:48.57 | Amarande | then I can at least use my PC in the meanwhile |
| 22:49.00 | Amarande | badblocks has always been my friend in such cases |
| 22:49.27 | Amarande | how long does it take to run the bad sector test on a 500gig SATA/300 drive? |
| 22:49.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: a very long time |
| 22:49.46 | Amarande | great. :| |
| 22:49.59 | Thrae | The problem with hardware and word-of-mouth is that as units are used in mass production, you're going to see people shout out about the defects that can and will happen. Its when we shy away from HDDs used in OEM productions that we can make a better use of word-of-mouth. IBM Deskstar is very popular in OEM brands, so they reach a hell of a lot more people. |
| 22:50.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It writes data to each sector and then tries to read it back off. |
| 22:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Usually several times. |
| 22:50.23 | Thrae | Amarande: Like I said, do it overnight. |
| 22:50.32 | ScytheBlade1 | So you'd be writing probably 2TB at a minimum and reading just as much |
| 22:50.41 | Amarande | *sigh* |
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| 22:51.10 | Amarande | Right now, that record belongs to the time I decided to compile X from source on a Linux machine that was a 486-66 with 8 megs of RAM. :) |
| 22:51.17 | Thrae | Amarande: Try re-building a 1.2TB RAID5 mdadm array sometime |
| 22:51.43 | Amarande | (14 hours, I think that compile took.) |
| 22:52.13 | Amarande | meanwhile ... |
| 22:52.14 | Corrodias | mdadm isn't familiar to me |
| 22:52.25 | Amarande | is the reinstall WoW step worth even attempting, or is that proven to not do a thing? |
| 22:52.34 | Thrae | Corrodias: Linux Software Raid |
| 22:52.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It wasn't in my friend's case |
| 22:52.41 | ScytheBlade1 | He ran repair.exe four times |
| 22:52.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Two of the times it had to revert him to 2.0 |
| 22:52.54 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm at least luckier on that point |
| 22:52.56 | Amarande | it never tells me to revert |
| 22:53.17 | Amarande | from what I can tell, somehow there's a data read glitch, which persists in Windows cache until the files are re-read via repair |
| 22:53.23 | Amarande | but there's apparently nothing wrong with the data itself. |
| 22:53.24 | Thrae | Amarande: Run the bad blocks tests first -- if it's a bad sector problem, reinstalling may -seem- to fix the problem until you hit the bad sector again |
| 22:53.36 | Corrodias | that'd be my guess |
| 22:54.01 | Corrodias | a bad sector test should move the data and mark the sector as bad so it's not used again, shouldn't it? |
| 22:54.15 | ScytheBlade1 | A bad sector can't be reliably read =] |
| 22:54.19 | Thrae | Yes, if space is available |
| 22:54.20 | ScytheBlade1 | The data is usally lost in those cases |
| 22:54.23 | Amarande | btw, do said bad sector marks persist across formats/repartitions/etc.? |
| 22:54.30 | Corrodias | okay, fine, i meant -try- to move the data |
| 22:54.31 | Amarande | like if I say change to Linux at some point or have to reformat |
| 22:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | "It depends" |
| 22:55.19 | Thrae | Amarande: Badblocks might not be the best tool to use, since you're using a ntfs partition it can't defrag as well. Some tools can try to move the data before marking the sector bad. |
| 22:55.36 | wereHamster | Amarande: did you try to run smartctl tests? |
| 22:55.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Thrae: chkdsk is what should be used ;) |
| 22:55.53 | ScytheBlade1 | chkdsk /B C: |
| 22:56.12 | Thrae | ScytheBlade1: chkdsk /r c:, you want it to repair partitions too |
| 22:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | chkdsk R/B C: |
| 22:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 22:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoops |
| 22:56.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah that |
| 22:56.23 | Corrodias | Chuck Dusk, at your service |
| 22:56.24 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 22:56.30 | Thrae | No, my command was not ambigious |
| 22:56.36 | Thrae | Damn irssi |
| 22:56.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I was just reading the help myself |
| 22:57.14 | Thrae | Amarande: How much space is left on your HDD? |
| 22:57.15 | ScytheBlade1 | chkdsk /R C: |
| 22:57.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Run that overnight and it'll get any bad sectors you may or may not have |
| 22:58.15 | Amarande | Thrae: 338GB |
| 22:58.58 | Corrodias | won't you need the /c switch to schedule it on next reboot, too? |
| 22:59.08 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll prompt you automatically |
| 22:59.18 | ScytheBlade1 | You could, yes, but it won't matter in the long run |
| 22:59.49 | Thrae | Amarande: Then a chkdsk /r will take you about 4 hours. It doesn't read the entire HDD surface. |
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| 23:02.41 | Corrodias | sorry, /c is for chkntfs |
| 23:02.52 | Corrodias | /c means something else for chkdsk |
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| 23:04.36 | Corrodias | "If you use chkdsk /f on a very large disk (for example, 70 gigabytes) or a disk with a very large number of files (for example, millions of files), chkdsk might take a long time to complete. The computer is not available during this time because chkdsk does not relinquish control until it is finished." |
| 23:04.43 | Corrodias | hilarious |
| 23:07.29 | Corrodias | i need to get a defrag utility. well, i also need to implement a better backup system first. |
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| 23:07.49 | |Jelly| | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/109.html :P |
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| 23:10.01 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug |Jelly| |
| 23:10.02 | purl | ACTION hugs |Jelly| tightly until |Jelly| turns slightly blue |
| 23:14.53 | Fersinji1 | d |
| 23:18.41 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, O&O and Diskeeper being the 2 most notable |
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| 23:35.16 | Amarande | hmm, this makes me wonder also |
| 23:35.29 | Amarande | apparently the EU support page makes note of that particular E134 (and refers you to E132) |
| 23:35.31 | Amarande | but the US page doesn't |
| 23:35.40 | Amarande | also, the EU blues have been more friendly about it than the US blues, by far |
| 23:35.43 | Amarande | why? |
| 23:38.07 | Lopeppeppy | EU and US are run separately, always have been. There's no more "why" than that. |
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| 23:38.36 | Corrodias | Thunder_Child: i remember using diskeeper a long time ago. that was a good program. |
| 23:39.06 | Corrodias | because europeans are nicer than americans |
| 23:39.10 | Corrodias | HAHAHA |
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| 23:52.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: because they're different people in different buildings in different countries |
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| 23:54.34 | batrick | Shirik: no. |
| 23:54.39 | Shirik | no? |
| 23:54.48 | batrick | although is it sad that I also considered that if for a brief moment? |
| 23:54.55 | batrick | roffles |
| 23:54.55 | Shirik | considered what? |
| 23:54.59 | batrick | taint system |
| 23:54.59 | Shirik | oh taint |
| 23:55.03 | Shirik | It would be perfect! |
| 23:55.09 | batrick | no no NO |
| 23:55.10 | batrick | lol |
| 23:55.11 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:55.17 | batrick | hmm |
| 23:55.47 | batrick | I nee another solution for this but I don't know what |
| 23:55.55 | batrick | also |
| 23:56.01 | batrick | my power supply on my main comp is fried |
| 23:56.06 | batrick | made awesome noises and smells |
| 23:56.11 | batrick | when i turned it on this morning |
| 23:56.36 | batrick | If not for voiding my warranty, I would take it apart and see what natural smoldering has nature done |
| 23:56.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:57.03 | Shirik | PSU is one of those things I'll never open |
| 23:57.05 | Shirik | like CRT monitors |
| 23:57.08 | batrick | I hope it didn't fry any of myu other parts :( |
| 23:57.18 | batrick | I'll end up spending all my money on a new comp this fall : / |
| 23:57.56 | batrick | no more Wo |
| 23:58.04 | batrick | W for the next week or so lol |
