| 00:00.58 | Dashkal | Shirik: danke. I now have my pretty little animated busy indicator |
| 00:01.07 | Lunessa | People who don't read patch notes should DIAF. |
| 00:01.08 | Shirik | :D |
| 00:01.24 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: What happened? |
| 00:01.57 | Lunessa | Read "Clock Question Under Mini Map" and you'll see an example. |
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| 00:03.17 | kd3 | rofl jelly |
| 00:03.24 | |Jelly| | :) |
| 00:03.25 | kaosnkc | Is the server down or something? Cuz i am trying to patch cosmos... and it wont work |
| 00:03.40 | |Jelly| | It's angry at you in particular. |
| 00:03.42 | amro | yes cosmos server is down |
| 00:03.46 | kaosnkc | ok |
| 00:03.48 | |Jelly| | Against you, some might say. |
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| 00:05.35 | Lunessa | LOL. |
| 00:05.41 | Lunessa | You guys make me laugh. |
| 00:05.47 | Thunder_Child | well at least they finaly posted that the server is down on the front page of cosmos |
| 00:05.54 | |Jelly| | I don't mind doing someone's dirty work. |
| 00:05.57 | Thunder_Child | now if people would only readit.... |
| 00:06.00 | Thunder_Child | read it* |
| 00:10.31 | Lunessa | No one reads the internets. They just surf for porn and games |
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| 00:13.24 | Codex| | network driver failure ftl |
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| 00:15.38 | |Jelly| | So McCain is taking social security payments? Hmm. |
| 00:18.25 | Codex| | how does the char name datawraith sound? |
| 00:18.33 | Lunessa | There are five levels of drinking. Six if you live in a trailer park. |
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| 00:20.31 | foxlit | Codex|: composite |
| 00:20.35 | foxlit | have you tried "Bob"? |
| 00:20.52 | Codex| | taken :/ |
| 00:21.00 | foxlit | "Alice"? |
| 00:21.07 | Codex| | maybe Vitriol... a scathing chemical |
| 00:21.32 | foxlit | lower left end of the periodic table, go |
| 00:21.45 | Codex| | ununumium |
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| 00:21.56 | foxlit | I always forget which parts of the naming policy apply where |
| 00:22.14 | foxlit | Rubi/Rubidium! |
| 00:22.55 | Codex| | gnome names |
| 00:23.09 | Codex| | Glaurung, father of the dragons? |
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| 00:32.17 | sioraiocht | anyone here speak german? |
| 00:39.51 | Lunessa | nicht |
| 00:39.58 | wereHamster | sioraiocht: yes |
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| 00:40.18 | sioraiocht | haha, i got my question, answered, was asking about the difference between essen or fressen |
| 00:40.46 | wereHamster | 'fr' is the difference |
| 00:41.30 | sioraiocht | hahaha |
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| 00:41.47 | Yssaril | sioraiocht: humans essen, animals fressen :P |
| 00:41.59 | sioraiocht | right, someone told me |
| 00:42.30 | sioraiocht | they said that to say someone eats using "fressen" would imply they don't eat very politely |
| 00:43.01 | wereHamster | yes |
| 00:43.38 | Yssaril | sioraiocht: http://dict.leo.org/ is one of the best german language dictionaries with english-german german-english translation |
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| 00:43.54 | sioraiocht | and, tanks. I've been using wordreference.com |
| 00:44.04 | sioraiocht | *ah, thanks |
| 00:44.07 | sioraiocht | epic fail |
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| 00:44.27 | Jennifer | Im trying to install the complete download and when it pops up and say "Install" I get a message that says "There was an error communicating with the server" I've tried disabling my firewall, redoing everything and nothing is working. I cannot get the program to install. |
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| 00:45.11 | |Jelly| | ~facepalm |
| 00:45.12 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 00:45.44 | wereHamster | Jennifer: what are you trying to install? |
| 00:45.52 | Lunessa | cosmos. |
| 00:46.01 | Jennifer | yeah |
| 00:46.02 | Lunessa | The server for their downloads is out right now. |
| 00:46.22 | Jennifer | i didnt know that, but thank you |
| 00:47.01 | |Jelly| | http://www.cosmosui.org/ << |
| 00:47.05 | Yssaril | someone should really put that in the MOTD for this channel |
| 00:47.41 | Jennifer | well, im so sorry to have bothered you all. Must have been something super important going on. |
| 00:47.44 | Yssaril | but then again if they dont read the main site news why whould they read a channels Motd sigh |
| 00:48.00 | |Jelly| | There was. I'm in the middle of redoing my UI. |
| 00:48.06 | |Jelly| | Super important. |
| 00:48.12 | Jennifer | i read the main site news and all i saw was about adobe, so stop with the smart ass shit |
| 00:48.21 | |Jelly| | I might even go as far as to say super-duper important. |
| 00:48.42 | kd3 | jen; look up a paragraph on cosmos's site |
| 00:49.16 | Jennifer | i hope none of you are connected to running the site, so sad that none of you have a life outside of this little box chat. |
| 00:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | .... lol |
| 00:49.44 | kd3 | indeed |
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| 00:49.47 | [dRaCo] | rude b**** |
| 00:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Funny how that works |
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| 00:50.00 | |Jelly| | Translation: I'm so awesome that I say some something completely retarded and leave before anyone gets a chance to laugh at the idiotic thing I just said. |
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| 00:51.04 | Lunessa | So... she reads deep enough into their site to find IRC instructions/link but not enough to find the "Our Download thingy is busted" *facepalm* |
| 00:51.26 | Thunder_Child | indeed since they finnaly put it on the front page |
| 00:51.46 | Thunder_Child | i'm sorry i missed that conversation |
| 00:51.55 | [dRaCo] | didnt the cosmos updater have button like "chat here"? |
| 00:52.24 | [dRaCo] | *a button |
| 00:53.14 | Kraps | is something wrong with the warrior forum? i posted a new topic, but its not on the first or second pages? |
| 00:53.35 | kd3 | refresh again. it takes the index a little while to get new articles |
| 00:54.19 | [dRaCo] | and I was about to say: "since they'll remove warriors from the game with WotLK they should down the class forum" |
| 00:54.23 | [dRaCo] | pity |
| 00:54.32 | Thunder_Child | is tax for an online purchase location bassed on the selling companys headquarters or the wherehouse shipping it? |
| 00:55.14 | alestane | It's often based on the destination address. |
| 00:55.15 | Lunessa | That's a subject of much legal debate in the USA |
| 00:55.50 | Thunder_Child | maybe it's stores...listen to this |
| 00:55.56 | Thunder_Child | Sales tax on the merchandise total is charged for nonfood items shipped to the following states and U.S. territories: AL*, AR*, AZ, CA*, CO*, CT*, DC*, FL*, GA*, HI*, IA, ID, IL*, IN*, KS*, KY*, LA*, MA, MD*, ME*, MI*, MN*, MO*, MS*, NC*, NE*, NJ*, NM*, NV*, NY*, OH*, OK, PA*, RI*, SC*, TN*, TX*, UT, VA*, VT*, WA*, WI* and Puerto Rico*. |
| 00:56.06 | Thunder_Child | i dont think they missed one |
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| 00:56.48 | Duman | no oregon |
| 00:56.51 | Thunder_Child | ok, they did miss some, but seriously |
| 00:56.56 | Duman | hehe |
| 00:57.59 | Thunder_Child | and their shipping rates are based on price, not size/weight |
| 00:58.00 | wereHamster | 'i dont think they missed one' - just count how many states they list, and then try to remember how many states the US has ;) |
| 00:58.17 | Thunder_Child | wereHamster "Thunder_Child: ok, they did miss some, but seriously" |
| 00:58.43 | Tem | I just lost the game |
| 00:59.19 | wereHamster | I counted 42, but I'm abous as ignorant about the US as an average US citizen is about europe, so I don't know how many states the US has |
| 00:59.35 | kd3 | 50+DC and puerto rico |
| 01:00.03 | Duman | heh |
| 01:00.14 | Lunessa | kd3: And the US Virgin Islands. |
| 01:00.17 | Lunessa | And Guam. |
| 01:00.29 | Thunder_Child | and canada |
| 01:00.33 | Duman | LOL |
| 01:00.36 | Lunessa | We're some property owning mo-fos |
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| 01:01.07 | bleeter | gitmo |
| 01:02.23 | kd3 | we lease gitmo |
| 01:02.47 | sylvanaar | with money we borrow from the chinese |
| 01:03.04 | Duman | haha |
| 01:03.08 | Thunder_Child | who steal it from the population |
| 01:03.20 | Lunessa | Proof that Capitolism > Communism |
| 01:05.13 | sylvanaar | though, the chinese currency has an undefined true value (since it is set by the government), so who knows we might be gettin a good deal |
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| 01:07.50 | sylvanaar | that will be a fun day if they ever allow the yuan's value to be decided by the market |
| 01:08.07 | kd3 | if the dollar isn't already worthless enough... |
| 01:08.54 | Lunessa | I don't think they're willing to give up that kind of control. Seriously. The rattle the saber if you mention the word Democracy. "Free Market" is likely to get you shot right off. |
| 01:09.28 | wereHamster | they have actually more free market then they'd like to admit |
| 01:09.30 | sylvanaar | well, in part the dollar is worth so little due to the interest rates being so low |
| 01:11.07 | sylvanaar | they are low to help stimulate the economy, whose slow down is the 2nd cause for the dollar's decline |
| 01:11.43 | sylvanaar | the low rates cause inflation risk, which is the 3rd reason |
| 01:15.02 | sylvanaar | the economy as a whole is more important than the relative valuation of the dollar, which will turn around very soon |
| 01:15.26 | kd3 | hopefully |
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| 01:20.06 | sylvanaar | it will - its an election year, it always does |
| 01:20.58 | sylvanaar | and with the current asswipe on his way out, i'll bet the election year effect will be even bigger |
| 01:20.58 | wereHamster | so when bush was elected, did the economy go up or down? |
| 01:21.10 | sylvanaar | it happens before the election |
| 01:21.33 | wereHamster | because of the hope that everyting will be better with the new president? |
| 01:21.37 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 01:22.53 | sylvanaar | all I can say is, "can someone ask him if he'd like to take an earlier flight?" |
| 01:24.01 | sylvanaar | we'll even throw in the plane if he promises not ever come back |
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| 01:32.43 | bleeter | don't the chinese own more USD at the moment than the US Govt? or is it just the biggest foeign debtor or something similarly weird and disturbing? |
| 01:32.50 | kd3 | whee. does it show that I'm a little displeased at wowinsider? http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/17/more-leaks-from-the-alpha-forums-on-shamans-warriors-and-death/1#c13232797 |
| 01:34.27 | Shirik | I have determined mother hates me |
| 01:34.29 | Shirik | completely |
| 01:34.30 | bleeter | kd3: I think I've seen just one article on WoWInsider that I've even thought was mildly OK and intersting. You certainly hit the nail on the head, though, with the AFK thing |
| 01:34.36 | bleeter | Shirik: I hate you too |
| 01:34.45 | Shirik | I get FA 3 times every fight |
| 01:34.45 | bleeter | if it makes you feel any better, that is |
| 01:34.48 | Shirik | this time, I died, but I had a SS |
| 01:34.53 | Shirik | and when I use it |
| 01:34.56 | Shirik | INSTANTLY get FA again |
| 01:36.58 | Duman | sigh |
| 01:37.17 | bleeter | kd3: !! They removed your 'afk' comment I think =)) |
| 01:37.47 | kd3 | it shows up every other time. their cache is idiotic |
| 01:37.47 | Lunessa | kd3: Srsly. Lame. |
| 01:37.50 | bleeter | kd3: hah, and the article's author replied to you in it's place |
| 01:38.05 | bleeter | "Our policy is to not host any screenshots or direct information from the Alpha. We will however link to other sites that do so and discuss what we see and read freely." |
| 01:38.30 | bleeter | 'we won't tell you how to murder folks, but we'll talk about other sites that do' |
| 01:38.31 | kd3 | that's what brought up my afk comment |
| 01:39.01 | bleeter | oh, there's yer reply again |
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| 01:39.46 | Lunessa | How great a tool do you have to be to thumb your nose at the source of your business repeatedly? |
| 01:40.32 | bleeter | well, it does appaer that WoWInsider IS part of AOL... so.. 'a very big tool'? |
| 01:42.18 | Dolby | they do the same thing with hardware vendors on engadget too |
| 01:43.05 | Dolby | (part of the same aol blog network) |
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| 01:43.50 | kd3 | my bitching at insider for discussing more leaked wrath stuff |
| 01:43.55 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: well put |
| 01:44.03 | kd3 | [21:32:49] <kd3> whee. does it show that I'm a little displeased at wowinsider? http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/17/more-leaks-from-the-alpha-forums-on-shamans-warriors-and-death/1#c13232797 |
| 01:44.15 | Cairenn | shame on them |
| 01:44.22 | Cairenn | I'm surprised, and disappointed |
| 01:44.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: read the author response to his comment |
| 01:44.36 | Lunessa | There are no righteous people left in the world. |
| 01:45.31 | Cairenn | Lunessa: I don't agree with that - however, I will give you that they are few and far between =/ |
| 01:46.08 | wereHamster | "and discuss what we see and read freely." - aren't all of their sources external, don't they get all the info from 'seeing and reading'? |
| 01:46.15 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster: yup |
| 01:46.17 | Lunessa | I'm starting to feel pretty alone. |
| 01:47.39 | bleeter | kd3: I voted you r comments up, and the author down ;) |
| 01:47.40 | wereHamster | so their stance is: we'll link to whatever confidential content we can find |
| 01:47.48 | bleeter | wereHamster: so it'd seem |
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| 01:49.15 | Lunessa | Did anyone get to see the trailer for "The Watchmen"? |
| 01:49.18 | wereHamster | same as google, they are not hosting, merely linking to it. But then again, some bittorrent aggregators got bitten hard when using this argement |
| 01:51.02 | Kaso | hmm thats interesting |
| 01:51.39 | Kaso | lua> --[[ print([["hai"]]); ]] |
| 01:51.39 | lua_bot | Kaso: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
| 01:51.49 | ScytheBlade1 | wowinsider has given me zero things that I (a) didn't know or (b) agreed with or (c) didn't laugh out loud over |
| 01:51.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not surprised at all |
| 01:52.09 | sylvanaar | not really |
| 01:52.32 | Kaso | hmm.. |
| 01:52.33 | sylvanaar | the first [[ is closed by the first ]] |
| 01:52.53 | wereHamster | lua> --[-[ print([["hai"]]); ]-] |
| 01:52.53 | lua_bot | wereHamster: No output |
| 01:53.01 | wereHamster | heh, I win |
| 01:53.01 | Kaso | when i use it in stand alone it warns me that nesting of [[...]] is depricated |
| 01:53.03 | sylvanaar | lua> --); ]] |
| 01:53.03 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: No output |
| 01:53.22 | Kaso | but its clearly not deprecated if i can't use it, its just removed |
| 01:54.03 | sylvanaar | its undefined behavior |
| 01:55.13 | Kaso | > --[[ print([["hai"]]); ]] |
| 01:55.13 | Kaso | stdin:1: nesting of [[...]] is deprecated near '[' |
| 01:55.28 | Kaso | the manual lists it as just removed functionality, which is right |
| 01:56.41 | sylvanaar | lua> ); ]] |
| 01:56.41 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
| 01:56.44 | sylvanaar | there |
| 01:57.39 | Kaso | why do two different executables return differently for the same code. |
| 01:58.02 | sylvanaar | thats what they get for using the same token for strings ans multiline comments |
| 01:58.14 | Kaso | heh yeah |
| 01:58.30 | sylvanaar | what were they thinking |
| 01:58.53 | sylvanaar | too many caiperinas |
| 01:58.54 | Kaso | ah i see the issue; |
| 01:59.15 | Kaso | LUA_COMPAT_LSTR (http://www.lua.org/source/5.1/luaconf.h.html#LUA_COMPAT_LSTR) controls whether you get a warning message or not |
| 02:00.25 | sylvanaar | yeah, you have to know the values of the defines in that file to compare to lua builds |
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| 02:03.01 | Kaso | still, my point stands, the warning message itself is incorrect. its not depricated, its just plain removed. If it were depricated it'd still work and just give a compiletime warning |
| 02:03.26 | sylvanaar | it was probably deprecated prior to it being removed |
| 02:03.30 | Seerah | ~seen cncfanatics |
| 02:03.33 | purl | cncfanatics <n=Diego@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4h 29m 52s ago, saying: 'frames don't ever, EVER, get GC'd'. |
| 02:04.50 | wereHamster | Kaso: no, it's depricated but still available if LUA_COMPAT_LSTR==1 |
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| 02:05.15 | sylvanaar | the warning message is |
| 02:05.45 | Kaso | yes, i thought compat_lstr just toggled the warning message, not the functionality? |
| 02:06.34 | wereHamster | the comment in the header would suggest that it controls the functionality |
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| 02:07.54 | sylvanaar | actually you need to know the old behavior |
| 02:08.04 | sylvanaar | maybe in the past there was no warning |
| 02:08.47 | sylvanaar | and the advisory was added - rather than the functionality being removed |
| 02:19.56 | sylvanaar | ah, there are 3 states 1, 2 and undefined |
| 02:20.36 | sylvanaar | 1 = current behavior, 2 = old behavior, undefined = error message |
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| 02:23.15 | kd3 | oof forum maintenance |
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| 02:33.44 | Thunder_Child | i need a new game to play |
| 02:35.52 | [dRaCo] | try AoC, I heard they got boobies. |
| 02:36.08 | bleeter | oO |
| 02:36.11 | Thunder_Child | did the beta, didnt care for it |
| 02:36.11 | Iriel | I'm not sure the boredom is worth the boobies |
| 02:36.13 | Kirov | randomly deflating boobies. |
| 02:36.17 | Thunder_Child | the game, not the boobies |
| 02:37.00 | [dRaCo] | aight, so it's oldschool game time. how about some d2? |
| 02:37.06 | Iriel | scan GameTap for random wierdness? |
| 02:37.09 | bleeter | I made my latest WoW AH mule a female with big boobies on purpose (yeah, I think dwarf females should have an increased chance to fall flat on their faces when running, but that's just me) |
| 02:37.41 | kd3 | yay for herb prices on the ah more than doubling overnight |
| 02:37.44 | Thunder_Child | i'm scanning gamespot for newly released games, nothing yet that i have not already played |
| 02:37.45 | [dRaCo] | female dwarfes are - how do I put it? - ugly |
| 02:38.24 | sylvanaar | no mods - AoC is boring |
| 02:38.27 | bleeter | [dRaCo]: as a friend of mine once said, about his g/f with her sitting next to him, 'with a paper bag over her head, and me driving from the back space, ugliness doesn't matter' :P |
| 02:38.37 | [dRaCo] | ^^" |
| 02:38.42 | [dRaCo] | TC; played Pandemic II yet? |
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| 02:38.56 | Thunder_Child | [dRaCo], no |
| 02:39.35 | [dRaCo] | http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/jkf6Tr/pandemic2.swf |
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| 02:40.39 | Thunder_Child | interesting, though i was looking for something a little more than a browser based game |
| 02:41.00 | [dRaCo] | ok |
| 02:42.12 | [dRaCo] | mass effect? |
| 02:42.28 | [dRaCo] | only played it for like half an hour, seemed fun, though |
| 02:42.38 | Thunder_Child | have it |
| 02:42.54 | Thunder_Child | almost beat it...i had to take a break from the repeditiveness |
| 02:45.35 | [dRaCo] | CoD4 was fun |
| 02:47.36 | Thunder_Child | beat it |
| 02:48.19 | [dRaCo] | Race Driver: Grid? |
| 02:48.32 | Thunder_Child | working my way through it |
| 02:48.46 | Thunder_Child | though i am not a huge fan of racing games |
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| 02:50.54 | [dRaCo] | kinda running out of ideas, then. |
| 02:51.09 | [dRaCo] | GTA4 is great |
| 02:51.21 | [dRaCo] | but you prolly played that one, too |
| 02:55.38 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 02:55.43 | Thunder_Child | i dont do consoles |
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| 02:58.27 | [dRaCo] | ok, here's one more: Assasin's Creed |
| 02:58.34 | [dRaCo] | I don't like it that much |
| 02:58.35 | Thunder_Child | though i am really enjoying pandemic II [dRaCo] |
| 02:58.39 | [dRaCo] | ;) |
| 02:58.53 | Thunder_Child | [dRaCo], i am working on assasins creed as well |
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| 03:00.26 | [dRaCo] | that's it for me, then. no more new games I found worth looking at |
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| 03:05.04 | Dreagar | Evenin folks! Cog, Clad, kael, great book. been a big help. :) |
| 03:05.40 | cog|away | Dreagar: glad to hear it =) |
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| 03:07.03 | Dreagar | Thanks a bunch Cog. :) i find myself usin the book now instead of lookin stuff up on wowwiki. lol |
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| 03:18.43 | Lunessa | It's the end of the world as we know it... |
| 03:19.00 | Thunder_Child | ...and i feel fine |
| 03:22.59 | Lunessa | And on that note, night all. |
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| 03:39.58 | Shirik | random question: Did anything change regarding chatlinks? |
| 03:40.03 | Shirik | specifically, where you can and can't link them |
| 03:40.11 | kd3 | dunno. quest links are broken pretty much everywhere |
| 03:41.03 | Kirov | chatlinks? |
| 03:41.15 | Shirik | you know, links in chat |
| 03:41.16 | Kirov | like item links / enchant links / quest links? |
| 03:41.26 | farmbuyer | don't think anything has changed as far as *where* they can be used |
| 03:41.49 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:43.05 | farmbuyer | haven't tried anything funky lately myself. the ChatLink mod was working last night for a private channel, if that helps. |
| 03:43.16 | Shirik | that wasn't really what I was asking |
| 03:43.23 | Shirik | the real reason I was asking is actually because I can't stand that mod |
| 03:43.34 | Shirik | and I wanted to check that it was that mod and not something else broken on my screen |
| 03:43.36 | farmbuyer | heheheheheh |
| 03:43.49 | Shirik | I wrote a replacement for it that doesn't look like shit to anyone that doesn't have it |
| 03:44.12 | farmbuyer | ah, nice. |
| 03:47.08 | Shirik | how do you say that? |
| 03:47.17 | Shirik | chatlink actually uses equal to or more bandwidth right now |
| 03:47.26 | Shirik | I think more |
| 03:48.18 | Shirik | actually, maybe chatlink saves a couple of bytes. Nothing remotely noticable, even on dialup |
| 03:48.25 | Shirik | I'd have to do some math. |
| 03:49.37 | farmbuyer | Unless you're linking items in "unusual" channels all day long, or getting them linked to you, I wouldn't think it would even matter. |
| 03:49.40 | Shirik | it's the same amount of bandwidth as you'd use transmitting it to guild chat :P |
| 03:50.04 | Shirik | I take that back, you have to add strlen(itemname) bytes |
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| 03:53.42 | kd3 | whee |
| 03:53.47 | Shirik | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 03:53.50 | kd3 | should've queued some of these uploads a few hours ago |
| 03:56.08 | bleeter | kd3: check the comment in CSF irc about WoR and Beta NDAs etc. ;) |
| 03:56.31 | MentalPower|Work | beta usually doesn't have an NDA |
| 03:56.44 | Thunder_Child | closed betas do |
| 03:56.47 | Thunder_Child | open betas dont |
| 03:56.48 | kd3 | 4... seconds... of... lag... |
| 03:56.49 | kd3 | hate TCP |
| 03:57.16 | bleeter | just we were beating up wowinsider earlier for alpha stuff, and World of waides have apparently posted the beta patch notes |
| 03:57.24 | bleeter | *raids |
| 03:58.24 | kd3 | I'm about to post it on the wiki... |
| 03:58.30 | Corrodias | wuld of waids |
| 03:59.27 | Corrodias | wascawy bwud ewves |
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| 04:05.38 | cog|away | my up:down ratio is about to cross below 1... |
| 04:05.51 | cog|away | s/up:down/down:up/ |
| 04:05.55 | cog|away | ~fail me |
| 04:05.56 | purl | cog|away: FAIL! |
| 04:06.48 | Corrodias | my cumulative ratios are something at or above 2:1 up:down |
| 04:07.24 | Corrodias | not sure i should be doing that on BT, though, and not just emule. i have never liked Bittorrent. |
| 04:10.48 | Yssaril | hmm notepad++ allows me to save as UTF-8 with and without BOM does it matter either way? |
| 04:11.23 | duaiwe | i believe in general you want without BOM |
| 04:16.04 | Mikk | Yssaril: Generally speaking, UTF-8 files should have BOMs to indicate that they are, in fact, UTF-8 and not something else |
| 04:16.18 | Mikk | HOWEVER, plain old standard Lua.exe barfs on BOMs |
| 04:16.31 | Mikk | Which would cause problems if you wanted to run something outside of wow |
| 04:16.39 | Corrodias | what's a BOM? |
| 04:16.40 | Mikk | But cog's lua handles them just fine, as does wow |
| 04:16.40 | cog|away | or you could just use lua-wow :P |
| 04:16.43 | Mikk | ^ |
| 04:16.48 | cog|away | :) |
| 04:16.51 | cog|away | byte order mark |
| 04:17.23 | Yssaril | so basically it dosnt matter as far as wow addons are concerned? |
| 04:17.29 | Mikk | It's a couple of bytes in the beginning of the file that says that "yes, i'm UTF-8" or "yes, i'm utf-16 with <x> byte ordering" |
| 04:17.32 | cog|away | yep |
| 04:17.34 | Mikk | no it doesnt matter one iota |
| 04:18.16 | Mikk | (can utf-8 even have nonstandard byte ordering?) |
| 04:18.33 | cog|away | i prefer to use them because if you only use lower ascii, the next time you open it, it has no way of knowing you want unicode |
| 04:19.58 | Mikk | that's a good point |
| 04:20.00 | Yssaril | so basically it forces use of unicode instead of asci? |
| 04:20.20 | Mikk | it tells the editor that it should be treating the file as utf8 |
| 04:20.25 | Mikk | wow always treats files as utf8 |
| 04:20.33 | Yssaril | kk |
| 04:20.53 | Mikk | then again, accidentally treating the file as ascii isn't harmful if you're not actually editing the utf8 sections |
| 04:20.57 | Mikk | that's the beauty of utf8 |
| 04:21.40 | sylvanaar | man that was such a pita when generating listing files |
| 04:23.14 | bleeter | *UTF-9 and UTF-18 |
| 04:23.27 | Mikk | ermmm |
| 04:23.39 | bleeter | what's wrong with a 36 bit word length?? |
| 04:23.42 | Mikk | you are a very twisted man! |
| 04:23.53 | Mikk | next you'll want vax byte ordering too! |
| 04:24.09 | Mikk | 2143 ftw! |
| 04:24.26 | bleeter | RFC4042 is one of those golden RFCs that should be thoroughly tested |
| 04:24.34 | cog|away | 42-bit's better |
| 04:25.11 | bleeter | is it decribed in an Apr 1st RFC, tho?? |
| 04:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Man opie is nice for random raid consumables/food/armors/bandaging/etc |
| 04:29.04 | Shirik | ~dict chagrin |
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| 04:42.17 | cog|away | kd3: did you get the notes posted? the forums just dieded |
| 04:42.58 | kd3 | they're on the wiki. http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.1 |
| 04:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa, what happened? |
| 04:43.40 | kd3 | beta happened |
| 04:44.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently, ha |
| 04:45.01 | cog|away | kd3: link no good |
| 04:45.12 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.1 |
| 04:45.25 | kd3 | just c/p'd it from my web browser |
| 04:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Works here |
| 04:45.40 | cog|away | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.02 | cog|away | +quotes |
| 04:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Getting two people with the same thing too |
| 04:46.21 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.0 should work still |
| 04:46.22 | cog|away | refreshed. works now |
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| 04:46.40 | cog|away | must've been a cache thing... |
| 04:46.52 | kd3 | and so should 3.0.1. I just purged the serverside cache |
| 04:48.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Working everywhere now as far as I can tell anyway |
| 04:48.29 | cncfanatics | Tree of Life (Restoration): You can now cast all Restoration spells (Healing Touch) in the form, but Tree of Life now only reduces the mana cost of your healing over time spells (Rejuvenation, Lifebloom, Regrowth and Flourish) by 20%. :o |
| 04:49.26 | cncfanatics | thats imba |
| 04:49.26 | cncfanatics | ~ping |
| 04:49.26 | purl | pong |
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| 04:50.41 | Thunder_Child | "Death Knights will now start with 0 talent points at level 55." i assume this is only for the beta? |
| 04:50.46 | Guillotine | no |
| 04:50.52 | Thunder_Child | or will you gather 61 points in 15 levels |
| 04:50.52 | kd3 | no. there's a quest they have to complete |
| 04:50.53 | Guillotine | you get the points from quests |
| 04:51.02 | Guillotine | lrn2 WWI |
| 04:51.05 | kd3 | the alpha quest was rather humorous |
| 04:51.12 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Guillotine |
| 04:51.12 | purl | runs at Guillotine with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 04:51.14 | Guillotine | it was way too hard imo |
| 04:51.51 | cncfanatics | I love their ToL changes |
| 04:51.54 | cncfanatics | they buffed it a LOT |
| 04:51.55 | Thunder_Child | are the points in addition to items/gold? |
| 04:52.12 | Guillotine | yes |
| 04:52.51 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 04:52.55 | Arrowmaster | 'If a hunter tames a pet that is more than five levels beneath their own level, the pet will then have their level increased to five levels beneath the hunter's own level.' |
| 04:53.02 | Arrowmaster | thats gota be the largest hunter buff ever |
| 04:53.31 | Guillotine | have you seen the pet talents yet? |
| 04:53.40 | kd3 | they weren't at wwi |
| 04:53.45 | kd3 | we never saw them in the alpha |
| 04:53.49 | NightHawkTheSane | so |
| 04:53.59 | Guillotine | some were at WWI |
| 04:54.15 | NightHawkTheSane | does the auberdine<->azuemyst boat not appear to you at all if you don't have the expansion? |
| 04:54.25 | NightHawkTheSane | or, if it does, what happens if you get on? |
| 04:54.25 | kd3 | it does. you just get sent to the gy |
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| 04:54.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 04:54.52 | Arrowmaster | ok they better have majorly increased all tank threat gen even pre lvl 71 |
| 04:55.00 | Arrowmaster | just noticed the BoS nerf |
| 04:55.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: eh? |
| 04:55.12 | Guillotine | don't worry, its all good :P |
| 04:55.18 | Arrowmaster | Blessing of Salvation renamed Hand of Salvation, now reduces total threat on the target by 2% per second for 10 seconds while also reducing all damage and healing done by 10%. Only one hand spell can be on the target per paladin at any one time. Now costs 6% of base mana. |
| 04:57.06 | kd3 | huh. beta forums are visible now while not logged in. guess that's what that last maint was for |
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| 04:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 04:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | 100% public |
| 04:59.26 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: wahts the CD on it? |
| 04:59.43 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 05:00.06 | Arrowmaster | if it doesnt have one then i guess salv bots are going to be perty pissed off |
| 05:00.25 | Yssaril | cause thats not too bad if you get close to the tank you get this cast on you and you drop 20% threat |
| 05:01.19 | Arrowmaster | i guess its a great way to grief dps too |
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| 05:01.33 | Arrowmaster | keep it up on one of them the entire fight to reduce dps by 10% |
| 05:03.21 | Yssaril | is blizz gonna implement their own threat meter in WotLK? cause that would only be usefull if you have a threat meter to be used effectivly |
| 05:05.51 | Guillotine | wow, Focused Will was way nerfed :( |
| 05:05.54 | Guillotine | again |
| 05:06.04 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 05:06.07 | Arrowmaster | 'Suppression (Affliction) is now a 3-point talent, down from 5. Now increases your chance to hit with Affliction spells by 1/2/3%, down from 1/2/3/4/5%.' |
| 05:06.25 | Arrowmaster | everything i previously saw put it as 2/4/6% |
| 05:06.44 | cog|away | gah no engineering :( |
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| 05:07.36 | Arrowmaster | a 1/2/3% talent and a 1/2/3/4/5% talent for 2 different trees is so silly |
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| 05:08.13 | Arrowmaster | OMG |
| 05:08.19 | Arrowmaster | OMG OMG OMG! WOOT! |
| 05:08.26 | Arrowmaster | 'Death Wish (Fury) no longer makes you immune to Fear effects.' |
| 05:08.27 | Sixen | So are the Beta forums supposed to be available to hte public? |
| 05:08.30 | Arrowmaster | best change ever |
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| 05:08.47 | Guillotine | Sixen: Yes :) |
| 05:08.53 | Guillotine | Sixen: no NDA on beta |
| 05:09.04 | Sixen | Ah, alright.. |
| 05:09.04 | Guillotine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8199289912&sid=2000 |
| 05:09.21 | Sixen | Yeah, I already read it. |
| 05:09.37 | Sixen | Just wanted to make sure it's suppoed to be available to public. Was about to go tell somebody :/ |
| 05:09.58 | Sixen | Poor Hortus didn't get to post up his Bug Report thread. He left already =p |
| 05:10.23 | Arrowmaster | he left? |
| 05:10.50 | Guillotine | Went back to his mothership |
| 05:11.35 | Fisker- | Blessing of Salvation renamed Hand of Salvation, now reduces total threat on the target by 2% per second for 10 seconds while also reducing all damage and healing done by 10%. Only one Hand spell can be on the target per paladin at any one time. Now costs 6% of base mana. |
| 05:11.35 | Fisker- | WUT?! |
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| 05:11.45 | Fisker- | my madness is bubbling |
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| 05:12.27 | Fisker- | Improved Concentration Aura (Protection) moved to the Holy tree. |
| 05:12.27 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 05:12.39 | Guillotine | 'bout time |
| 05:12.41 | |Yssaril| | where do you guys see all these changes? |
| 05:12.41 | Fisker- | 71/0/0 then |
| 05:12.46 | Fisker- | www.mmo-champion.com |
| 05:13.00 | Fisker- | Lay on Hands no longer drains all mana, cooldown reduced to 20 minutes. FINALLY |
| 05:13.06 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.1 |
| 05:13.11 | |Yssaril| | IC |
| 05:13.23 | Fisker- | But that's pretty much it |
| 05:13.24 | Guillotine | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8199569973&sid=2000 is the official place |
| 05:13.25 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 05:13.26 | Sixen | Guillo, do you know offhand what the patch build is? |
| 05:13.31 | Sixen | So I can stick it in my bug report guide? |
| 05:13.39 | Fisker- | 8634 |
| 05:13.41 | Guillotine | not off-hand, no |
| 05:13.42 | Fisker- | http://us.version.worldofwarcraft.com/update/PatchSequenceFile.txt |
| 05:14.15 | Sixen | Awesome, thanks Fisker.. |
| 05:14.19 | Sixen | I didn't know about that.. |
| 05:19.15 | kd3 | oh holy hell |
| 05:19.22 | kd3 | loggged into alpha, gettinga patch |
| 05:19.24 | kd3 | o_o; |
| 05:19.42 | |Yssaril| | i want my money back All demon abilities and spells will automatically be learned as pets gain levels. Demon Master trainers will be removed. |
| 05:19.43 | Sixen | O_O |
| 05:19.50 | Sixen | That's not good, lawl. |
| 05:19.54 | kd3 | unless it's the same 1.8GB as before... |
| 05:20.10 | Fisker- | you need to download the new client kd3 |
| 05:20.13 | Fisker- | well |
| 05:20.15 | Sixen | 1.88 is what i'm DLing now. |
| 05:20.17 | Fisker- | i don't know if you do |
| 05:20.19 | kd3 | yah, I'm downloading the new one |
| 05:20.21 | Fisker- | but my beta downloader says that :P |
| 05:20.27 | Fisker- | mines 2.04GB |
| 05:20.28 | kd3 | looking to see what the a->b client's trying to get |
| 05:20.30 | Fisker- | but i'm enGB |
| 05:20.37 | Sixen | Ah, you're EU, fisker? |
| 05:20.38 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 05:20.39 | purl | Fisker-: FAIL! |
| 05:20.42 | Fisker- | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 05:20.43 | purl | Thunder_Child, you Fail! |
| 05:20.47 | Sixen | ~fail sixen |
| 05:20.48 | purl | sixen: FAIL! |
| 05:20.48 | Fisker- | ~roulette Thunder_Child |
| 05:20.49 | purl | ACTION watches Thunder_Child pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 05:20.50 | Sixen | (I felt left out) |
| 05:20.52 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 05:20.52 | purl | Fisker-, you Fail! |
| 05:20.53 | Fisker- | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 05:20.54 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 05:21.04 | Fisker- | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 05:21.05 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 05:21.06 | Thunder_Child | hah |
| 05:21.07 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 05:21.08 | purl | Fisker-, you Fail! |
| 05:21.17 | kd3 | ya, same 1.88. sigh |
| 05:21.18 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 05:21.19 | purl | Fisker-, you Fail! |
| 05:21.19 | Fisker- | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 05:21.20 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 05:21.30 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Fisker- |
| 05:21.31 | purl | Fisker-, you Fail! |
| 05:21.39 | Fisker- | I think we will be destroyed shortly |
| 05:21.41 | Fisker- | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 05:21.42 | purl | Thunder_Child, you Fail! |
| 05:21.44 | Thunder_Child | pfft |
| 05:21.44 | ScytheBlade1 | If there's no NDA, does that include copies of the beta downloader? ;) |
| 05:21.47 | Thunder_Child | bot abuse |
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| 05:22.02 | kd3 | presumably. dunno if you have to log in to get it. http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 05:22.14 | Thunder_Child | ~stab Fisker- |
| 05:22.15 | purl | ACTION runs at Fisker- with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 05:22.19 | Fisker- | you cannot stop me |
| 05:22.20 | curti | Hello. |
| 05:22.26 | Thunder_Child | ~blind Fisker- |
| 05:22.30 | Thunder_Child | hello curti |
| 05:22.33 | ScytheBlade1 | https://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/game/access-denied.html |
| 05:22.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Fail |
| 05:23.02 | Fisker- | You can always download it yourself |
| 05:23.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Link? |
| 05:23.49 | Fisker- | don't have one :P |
| 05:23.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:23.57 | Fisker- | i mean the webseed |
| 05:24.11 | curti | With the last patch in major cities does it look like players are lagging? |
| 05:24.20 | Kirov | since it's just a bit-torrent |
| 05:25.23 | |Yssaril| | any update talent calculators out yet? |
| 05:25.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I doubt it quite yet |
| 05:25.49 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm sure by tomorrow |
| 05:26.18 | kd3 | all of the class info they've given us is on the wiki. feel free to put one together. http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.1 |
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| 05:27.19 | |Yssaril| | gnight guys |
| 05:27.30 | curti | night |
| 05:28.23 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 05:28.25 | Fisker- | that's odd |
| 05:28.34 | Fisker- | can't use a torrent client for the beta ;_; |
| 05:28.37 | Fisker- | getting no peers |
| 05:29.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker-: pass me a .torrent? Or .exe? |
| 05:29.21 | Fisker- | only got engb |
| 05:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 05:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 05:29.48 | Fisker- | but it's pretty sick that they've removed threat reduction |
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| 05:29.59 | Guillotine | don't worry |
| 05:30.01 | Guillotine | be happy |
| 05:30.14 | kd3 | damn it... I wanna hit 'import' on 1700 pages of wrath goodies on the wiki |
| 05:30.20 | Fisker- | Yeah it's probably gonna work out :P |
| 05:30.39 | Fisker- | why not do it then? |
| 05:31.00 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8199289912&sid=2000#14 |
| 05:31.44 | Fisker- | DO IT |
| 05:31.45 | Fisker- | :o |
| 05:32.52 | curti | So has anyone noticed other players running in place and a few seconds later appear a |
| 05:32.52 | curti | few yards back sitting still? |
| 05:33.24 | Fisker- | Hit Rating, Critical Strike Rating, and Haste Rating now modify both melee attacks and spells. <-please god NO |
| 05:33.27 | Kirov | curti - no more than before |
| 05:34.07 | curti | I'm just not sure if it was caused by my addon so i disabled it on my alt and it |
| 05:34.07 | curti | seems to be happening still, more than usual with the last patch. >< |
| 05:34.44 | Fisker- | Improved Seal of Righteousness (Holy) moved to tier 1, renamed XXX, now affects Seal of Righteousness, Seal of Vengeance and Seal of Corruption. |
| 05:34.49 | Fisker- | kinda inappropiate for a spell? :D |
| 05:35.02 | curti | lol |
| 05:35.13 | Arrowmaster | Seal of Corruption? |
| 05:35.23 | Fisker- | Holy Wrath is now instant cast, causes a 3 second stun, cooldown reduced to 30 seconds, radius reduced to 10 yards. |
| 05:35.24 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 05:35.40 | Fisker- | I'm guessing seal of blood has been renamed? |
| 05:36.11 | Thunder_Child | SOB! SOB! SOB! |
| 05:36.34 | Fisker- | USE SOCKS |
| 05:36.39 | Fisker- | I mean SoC |
| 05:36.42 | Fisker- | :D |
| 05:37.02 | Fisker- | Vanish no longer requires the reagent Flash Powder. |
| 05:37.02 | Fisker- | D: |
| 05:37.14 | curti | time to stock up! |
| 05:37.14 | Thunder_Child | i would rather SoW my oats than use SoC's |
| 05:37.57 | Fisker- | Gouge is now only 1 rank and causes damage based on attack power. |
| 05:38.07 | Fisker- | I guess they were afraid that people would be killed by gouge in one shot? |
| 05:38.07 | Fisker- | :D |
| 05:39.01 | Arrowmaster | they probably didnt like charging people 20g for a new rank of gouge at 80 that only did 100 damage |
| 05:39.26 | curti | my toons stil havent trained everything, b/c i dont use those abilites. |
| 05:39.52 | Fisker- | probably gonna be 10000g for leveling 70->80 because of inflation :D |
| 05:40.28 | bleeter | I wonder if they've changed the gold limit, 'coz it'll be 'that much easier' to earn gold in Wrath, and more people will hit the cap |
| 05:40.46 | curti | lawl@theguy who hit the gold cap |
| 05:41.58 | Fisker- | They reduced it in half :D |
| 05:42.13 | Fisker- | that would be lawl@theguy-worthy |
| 05:42.18 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 05:43.12 | Kirov | Top rank of X spell costs 100000g, max gold on a character is 100000g. |
| 05:44.59 | MentalPower | max gold on a char is 2^31-1 |
| 05:45.05 | MentalPower | lua> 2^31-1 |
| 05:45.05 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 2147483647 |
| 05:45.23 | Fisker- | MentalPower learn2followdiscussion |
| 05:45.31 | MentalPower | 214,748g 36s 47c |
| 05:45.40 | Fisker- | learn2followdiscussion |
| 05:45.47 | MentalPower | no u |
| 05:45.50 | Kirov | That's 50 times the gold I have now. |
| 05:45.55 | Fisker- | NO U |
| 05:46.14 | Fisker- | i has sex leg |
| 05:46.31 | Fisker- | i so sexy it hurt |
| 05:46.35 | Fisker- | sex* |
| 05:48.03 | bleeter | there was a guy in CSF the other day claiming he's capped the limit on two toons |
| 05:48.07 | MentalPower | ~lart Fisker- |
| 05:48.07 | purl | blames Fisker- for all the evil in the world |
| 05:48.22 | curti | i dont believe it |
| 05:48.39 | Fisker- | http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3121/betaclientye7.jpg <-learn2grammar imo |
| 05:48.49 | Fisker- | "We are currently downloading the WotLK Installer" |
| 05:48.51 | bleeter | dependant on realm, and ability to corner a new market early, I do |
| 05:48.54 | Fisker- | Moar like YOU, amirite? |
| 05:50.13 | Gnarfoz | wtb beta invite NAO |
| 05:50.14 | Gnarfoz | :( |
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| 05:50.36 | Gnarfoz | I bet the RNG will conspire against me :P |
| 05:50.43 | Fisker- | indeed Gnarfoz ;_; |
| 05:51.13 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't care about EU people, etc. |
| 05:51.22 | Gnarfoz | good thing there's Bibi in the mean time. :) |
| 05:51.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 05:51.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I think they might have locked the clients down to only accept other blizzard peers |
| 05:51.41 | Mikk | bleeter: I started AH whoring in january. I've got 80k gold now. |
| 05:51.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh nope |
| 05:51.45 | ScytheBlade1 | There it goes |
| 05:51.52 | Fisker- | weird ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:51.54 | Fisker- | had the same problem |
| 05:51.55 | Mikk | Actually, I had 30k in early june even |
| 05:51.57 | ScytheBlade1 | 0.7kB/sec |
| 05:51.58 | Fisker- | but didn't work for me |
| 05:52.05 | ScytheBlade1 | 5kB/sec |
| 05:52.06 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 05:52.08 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: the client is actually nice and fast now |
| 05:52.11 | cogwheel | <3 Macros and key bindings are now saved server-side so there is no longer a need to reconfigure them when logging in using another computer. |
| 05:52.15 | Mikk | So been clocking 10k per week the last ~5 weeks |
| 05:52.24 | Fisker- | mine is slow as hell |
| 05:52.29 | Mikk | I have no real problem believing someone can goldcap two toons |
| 05:52.31 | Fisker- | But it doesn't seem the EU beta has started yet |
| 05:52.33 | curti | cogwhell, are you serious? |
| 05:52.36 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: with no upload restrictions, lagging EVERYTHING (six other computers, five other people) all to no end |
| 05:52.42 | Fisker- | so the only ones downloading are people who found out how to get the downloader :D |
| 05:52.46 | MentalPower | DL:100kb/s+ UL:30kb/s |
| 05:52.52 | cogwheel | curti: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.0.1 |
| 05:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah 30kB/sec is pretty much my cap ;) |
| 05:53.08 | MentalPower | mines about 60 |
| 05:53.15 | MentalPower | so theres still some headroom |
| 05:53.24 | cogwheel | Min's about 120 in both directions |
| 05:53.29 | cogwheel | s/'/e'/ |
| 05:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | My cap is technically 40kB/sec |
| 05:53.44 | ScytheBlade1 | But the internet here both (a) sucks and (b) gets a lot of upstream use |
| 05:53.53 | Gnarfoz | gimme a torrent (if they don't *actually* finally reject non-blizz clients) and I'll join the swarm with 100/100 :\ |
| 05:54.00 | Gnarfoz | (mbit/s, that is) |
| 05:54.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: actually looks like the other peers are outright denying other clients now |
| 05:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm back down to 0kB/sec due to no fault of my own |
| 05:54.53 | Gnarfoz | why oh why do they put so much hurt on their users, lol |
| 05:55.05 | cogwheel | i'm seeing a ut client in my blizzard downloader |
| 05:55.20 | Gnarfoz | wtb .torrent or downloader.exe xD |
| 05:55.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm seeing multuiple UT clients in... UT |
| 05:55.32 | Gnarfoz | (eu downloader page is "busy") |
| 05:55.35 | Fisker- | how far along is it cogwheel ? |
| 05:55.36 | kd3 | 21%... |
| 05:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm getting nothing out of them at all |
| 05:55.37 | Kirov | You know what's fun, running firefox with chrome in a tab |
| 05:55.38 | kd3 | go faster, damn it! |
| 05:55.47 | cogwheel | Fisker-: i'm at 57% now |
| 05:55.52 | Kirov | (running firefox to run ie) |
| 05:56.01 | cogwheel | oh you mean the UT client... ummm |
| 05:56.01 | Fisker- | i mean the utorrent client |
| 05:56.09 | cogwheel | 19% |
| 05:56.13 | Fisker- | weird |
| 05:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Weird |
| 05:56.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I shall poke more |
| 05:56.30 | ScytheBlade1 | And yup uploading at 40kB/sec, 100% of my cap |
| 05:56.30 | Fisker- | i r srsly unable to get any connections |
| 05:56.31 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 05:56.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Bye Blizz Downloader P2P |
| 05:57.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh, good thing they have it webseeded |
| 05:57.29 | cogwheel | when i disabled p2p, i got 128 max but it went as low as 24. With p2p i'm hovering ~120 but haven't gon lower than say 85 |
| 05:57.31 | kd3 | yes. thank the gods. that's where I'm getting it all from |
| 05:57.38 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'm pretty darn patient to download a game I have no access to :P |
| 05:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed @ kd3 |
| 05:58.04 | Gnarfoz | why they don't just make the downloader publicly available is beyond me, it's of no use to anyone without a beta-enabled account, anyway, but it'd make the swarm bigger >_> |
| 05:58.22 | MentalPower | erm... it *is* public |
| 05:58.25 | kd3 | hoo-boy... mass-import time on the wiki coming soon |
| 05:58.35 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: requires a beta enabled account to download |
| 05:58.36 | Fisker- | why not now? :o |
| 05:58.48 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: without knowledge of where it is beforehand, that is |
| 05:58.54 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: ah, did not know that part... |
| 05:59.06 | Fisker- | looks like the webseed is capped at 128kB/s |
| 05:59.10 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: I tried. It sent me to access-denied.html. |
| 05:59.26 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: the same. |
| 05:59.39 | Gnarfoz | kd3: did you pre-write all that stuff oO |
| 06:00.19 | cogwheel | Gnarfoz: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8199289912&pageNo=2&sid=2000#26 |
| 06:00.20 | kd3 | I'm running a local copy of the wiki... I was in the alpha. got bored |
| 06:00.22 | kd3 | what else? |
| 06:00.30 | Gnarfoz | damn :x |
| 06:00.34 | Gnarfoz | cogwheel: what? xD |
| 06:00.49 | cogwheel | giving you a hint on where all that wiki stuff came from ;) |
| 06:00.53 | curti | trap |
| 06:00.59 | kd3 | scroll down to post 29. I'll be updating it with the status |
| 06:01.12 | Gnarfoz | obviously I know he's been in the alpha, that much was readable between many of the lines |
| 06:01.28 | Gnarfoz | it's just that the amount of info he's importing right now is... massive |
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| 06:02.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: a fair bit of it was automated, but not all of it |
| 06:04.47 | kd3 | as automated as I could be without access to any datamining mods... |
| 06:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 06:05.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Fun to watch the recent changes page |
| 06:05.28 | kd3 | just waiting on the images to show up so I won't break 1700 articles that depend on em |
| 06:05.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 06:07.35 | Fisker- | "On the brighter note, us poor EU peeps can now get a sneak peek at how we're kept on a need-to-know-after-like-a-month leash." |
| 06:07.38 | Fisker- | And we're back i guess |
| 06:07.49 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't care about EU people, etc. |
| 06:08.15 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 06:08.45 | bleeter | heh, that makes me think |
| 06:08.59 | Thunder_Child | no one else cares about EU people either |
| 06:09.13 | bleeter | they won't skew the invites for Oceanic players to properly test load across 24/7... so... it'll blow up for the first month or so upon release each and every night =)) |
| 06:10.02 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 06:10.06 | Fisker- | druids are finally getting a res |
| 06:10.07 | Fisker- | New Spell: Revive - Returns the spirit to the body, restoring a dead target to life with health and mana. Cannot be cast when in combat. (Ranks 1-7 added) |
| 06:10.08 | Fisker- | :D |
| 06:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: as opposed to the numbers they have now? |
| 06:10.18 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: from you know, live realms? |
| 06:11.22 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: you trust them to forward port the fixes they've done to help to help Oceania since 2.4.0 to 3.0.1?? :P |
| 06:11.50 | Gnarfoz | the only fix oceania needs is fucking oceanic servers, hosted in oceania >_> |
| 06:12.07 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: I'd expect that considering the extensive content we saw tested on the PTR, and likewise the signs that we'll have 2.4.3 for a VERY LONG TIME |
| 06:12.21 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: that yes, they will be merging changes from their live branch into their dev branch |
| 06:13.07 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't like they don't have time to do so ;) |
| 06:13.19 | cogwheel | iGoogle's word of the day gadget's word of the day: cocksure |
| 06:13.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ohh |
| 06:13.38 | ScytheBlade1 | right |
| 06:13.41 | Arrowmaster | no theyre going to do another minor patch very very soon |
| 06:13.42 | bleeter | they can forward port/merge all they like, but unless they have load at during that time of the day, it'll never get tested ;) :P |
| 06:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: is arg1 and friends dying with 3.0 or no? |
| 06:13.55 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt be supprised if it was next week |
| 06:14.15 | bleeter | also, I can see it now.. 1 guy in Oceania gets the invite... and he's practically the only one on during that time of day and hence never bothers to log in =)) |
| 06:15.07 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: the last build was painfully bugged with halfway-completed this->self conversions, so I expect so |
| 06:15.20 | Thunder_Child | ~calm bleeter |
| 06:15.21 | purl | ACTION sooths bleeter, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm bleeter down. |
| 06:15.22 | Arrowmaster | if you notice http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903748242&sid=1 it mentions that the collision bug happens in arenas too, so that means we will see a new patch on tuesday to fix it |
| 06:15.40 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: sweet. Now I have motivation to update like 20 random addons that do small things to work for 3.0 |
| 06:16.24 | Arrowmaster | i hope they dont completely remove global arg1 and stuff |
| 06:16.34 | Arrowmaster | i can actually think of places where its needed |
| 06:17.00 | cogwheel | it's never *needed*. Places that seem like they need it can be rewritten so they don't |
| 06:17.36 | Arrowmaster | no i can think of one that would need it unless theyd ever make the change i requested in 2.4.0 |
| 06:17.40 | Mikk | I imagine tossing them out will speed up event delivery by QUITE a bit |
| 06:17.55 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: chat filtering? |
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| 06:18.32 | Arrowmaster | adding timestamping to ChatFrame2 that doesnt apply to lines created by COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 06:19.07 | Mikk | Yeah there's a few places that would need more information forwarded |
| 06:19.12 | Mikk | Chat filtering is also such a place |
| 06:19.18 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 06:19.30 | Mikk | You only get the message today, where you want senders, channel names, etc too |
| 06:19.35 | cogwheel | my guess is they're far more likely to implement your suggestions than leave the global args |
| 06:19.51 | kd3 | oh... hated the this->self thing |
| 06:19.54 | kd3 | that was pain and a half |
| 06:20.01 | cogwheel | (your suggestions or alternatives, that is) |
| 06:20.13 | Arrowmaster | i specifficly mentioned it to zoot and alexandaryoshi on irc and posted it on the forums |
| 06:20.17 | Arrowmaster | and its a 1 line change |
| 06:20.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I saw diffs on 'certain sites' and I saw a lot of this->self cleanup |
| 06:20.38 | ScytheBlade1 | But it will take quite a bit to complete |
| 06:20.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's part of the reason why I asked |
| 06:21.02 | Arrowmaster | some of the this->self stuff looked like the XML is going to be all fucked up and confusing |
| 06:21.04 | cogwheel | the last alpha build was more than a month ago though, so a lot has probably changed since then |
| 06:21.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I can see Zoot doing a lot of this->self cleanup |
| 06:21.19 | ScytheBlade1 | And likewise it being just cleanup and nothing more |
| 06:22.10 | Arrowmaster | the problem with this->self is that a ton of the UI isnt even in a format that would support it |
| 06:22.27 | Arrowmaster | the only real place you can do it is frame scripts |
| 06:22.46 | Arrowmaster | but 'this' is used all over the ui |
| 06:23.56 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: those places are all ultimately triggered by a frame script |
| 06:24.01 | cogwheel | otherwise this wouldn't exist |
| 06:24.18 | Mikk | "this" always exists in triggered code |
| 06:24.26 | Mikk | the only place it doesn't exist is when the lua file is originally loaded |
| 06:24.42 | cogwheel | basically it just means adding parameters to all the functions to make sure it gets passed around |
| 06:24.43 | Arrowmaster | yeah so they need to modifiy all functions to pass self |
| 06:24.50 | Arrowmaster | or start using tables and methods |
| 06:25.04 | cogwheel | it's a large task, but shouldn't be particularly difficult |
| 06:25.33 | Gnarfoz | they're quite certainly not restricting anything on the torrents, btw |
| 06:26.07 | Arrowmaster | anybody got the link to the diff for 2.4.2->2.4.3? |
| 06:26.30 | kd3 | I emailed it out... are you not on my list? |
| 06:26.41 | Mikk | http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 06:26.44 | Arrowmaster | was trying to remember one of the really screwy this->self changes |
| 06:26.55 | Arrowmaster | wowcompares was all fucked up on the diff the other day |
| 06:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah sec |
| 06:27.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.4.2.8278-2.4.3.8606.diff |
| 06:27.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah wowcompares is still fucked |
| 06:28.23 | Mikk | it is? how? |
| 06:28.56 | Arrowmaster | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/GameTime.xml?diff=2428278 |
| 06:29.01 | Arrowmaster | anything look wrong there? |
| 06:29.32 | Mikk | Not... really? |
| 06:29.44 | Gnarfoz | yeah, not particularly? |
| 06:29.49 | Arrowmaster | an added </OnClick> |
| 06:29.56 | Arrowmaster | but no <OnClick> |
| 06:30.15 | Mikk | hum |
| 06:30.36 | Arrowmaster | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/Bindings.xml?diff=2428278 |
| 06:30.52 | Arrowmaster | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/UIOptionsPanels.xml?diff=2428278 |
| 06:30.57 | Mikk | yeah the html display is totally fucked, you're right |
| 06:31.02 | Mikk | but if you download the diff it's right |
| 06:31.14 | Mikk | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/GameTime.xml?download=2428278 |
| 06:31.43 | Mikk | +<OnClick> |
| 06:31.43 | Mikk | +GameTimeFrame_OnClick(self, button); |
| 06:31.43 | Mikk | +</OnClick> |
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| 06:31.52 | Arrowmaster | yeah theres one |
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| 06:32.16 | cnc|work | yo ppl |
| 06:32.17 | Mikk | that's out of clicking "Unified Diff" |
| 06:32.22 | Cairenn | hi cnc |
| 06:32.26 | Mikk | so yeah it's only the displayer that's borky |
| 06:32.35 | kd3 | rar, go faster! 31% |
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| 06:33.18 | Arrowmaster | -CloseLoot(not autoLoot);-- The parameter tells code that we were unable to open the UI |
| 06:33.18 | Arrowmaster | +CloseLoot(autoLoot == 0);-- The parameter tells code that we were unable to open the UI |
| 06:33.27 | Arrowmaster | seriously they need to stop with the 1/0 shit |
| 06:33.30 | Arrowmaster | and use true/false |
| 06:33.35 | Guest349 | so can anyone tell me y my cosmos isnt working? |
| 06:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:33.51 | Thunder_Child | Guest349, server is down |
| 06:33.52 | kd3 | because the patcher site is broken |
| 06:33.53 | Guest349 | i know |
| 06:33.53 | ScytheBlade1 | For once digg is worth reading: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linus_Torvalds_calls_Digger_and_I_quote_Wanking_Walruses |
| 06:34.11 | Thunder_Child | then what's the problem? |
| 06:34.11 | Guest349 | well i dont know shit bout computers |
| 06:34.14 | bleeter | pot kettle black there sbo =)) |
| 06:34.23 | kd3 | http://i36.tinypic.com/14xgp5e.jpg |
| 06:34.26 | Guest349 | i have a feeling that he was right |
| 06:34.27 | kd3 | purty |
| 06:34.31 | Guest349 | that the problem was the patch site |
| 06:34.39 | Guest349 | cus it says failed to connect or something like that |
| 06:34.46 | Guest349 | that happening to everyone? |
| 06:34.49 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 06:34.50 | kd3 | yes |
| 06:34.51 | Arrowmaster | the cosmos page also says so |
| 06:35.00 | cnc|work | giev beta keys :( |
| 06:35.02 | Thunder_Child | front page and forums say that |
| 06:35.21 | AnduinLothar | http://www.cosmosui.org/ |
| 06:35.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Dave2 (i=Dave2@freenode/staff/dave2) |
| 06:35.52 | Guest349 | dont gotta be a smart ass bout it.. hhaha there was too much crazy lingo for my simple minded self |
| 06:36.09 | Guest349 | so i figured i'd come here and just get a straight up answer |
| 06:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: Not a linus fan eh? |
| 06:36.13 | Guest349 | thanks alot guys.. |
| 06:36.15 | Guest349 | ill ttyl |
| 06:36.19 | Thunder_Child | Guest349, we are not, but you are the 100th + person to come ask |
| 06:36.25 | Thunder_Child | 500th? |
| 06:36.32 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, it runs together |
| 06:36.39 | Guest349 | wow.. so really .. y are u in this chat room thunder child? |
| 06:36.43 | Guest349 | just to pass the time? |
| 06:36.50 | Arrowmaster | this isnt a cosmos channel |
| 06:36.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Like the rest of us |
| 06:36.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 06:36.52 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Beta opt-in: https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/beta-opt-in.html || Yes, Cosmos Patcher is down. Manually install |
| 06:36.54 | Thunder_Child | this isnt the cosmos chatroom origionaly |
| 06:37.06 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, it is now |
| 06:37.12 | Thunder_Child | they moved here iirc |
| 06:37.13 | Cairenn | Guest349: this is a multi-site, all mod author channel |
| 06:37.21 | Guest349 | lol |
| 06:37.23 | Guest349 | thats so lame |
| 06:37.31 | Guest349 | u guys just sit here and talk to each other nerd to nerd |
| 06:37.33 | Guest349 | so cute |
| 06:37.37 | Thunder_Child | your here |
| 06:37.40 | Arrowmaster | bye |
| 06:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Guest349: that's an awesome way to get help. |
| 06:37.48 | cnc|work | Guest349: die ? |
| 06:37.50 | Cairenn | Guest349: the people in charge of Cosmos are forwarding their channel here now |
| 06:38.05 | bleeter | Guest349: you do realise that most of these nerds write most of the addons you see, use, and many of the changes in game are a result of these nerds? lol |
| 06:38.08 | Guest349 | i guess the world neeeds people like u to sit here and waste away ur life in a chat room so u can answer my questions |
| 06:38.09 | Thunder_Child | to bad Cairenn, the cosmos users are meaner than us |
| 06:38.09 | Guest349 | thank u |
| 06:38.15 | Cairenn | and after that lovely commentary of yours, feel free to leave - you've been given your answer |
| 06:38.20 | bleeter | so yeah, go fall off a log or something |
| 06:38.20 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Guest349!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 06:38.30 | cnc|work | wth was wrong with that guy ? |
| 06:38.33 | bleeter | lol he was pushed |
| 06:38.35 | Arrowmaster | 02:37:50a (Arrowmaster) bye |
| 06:38.35 | Thunder_Child | thats what...the 2nd or 3rd cosmos ass? |
| 06:38.37 | Arrowmaster | i said it first |
| 06:38.42 | Arrowmaster | i knew the kick was coming |
| 06:39.09 | AnduinLothar | spoiled users i guess. |
| 06:39.28 | AnduinLothar | maybe i should make their life harder |
| 06:39.31 | bleeter | usual entitlement syndrome that you see in many game players |
| 06:39.36 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: fer sure |
| 06:40.30 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: to answer yer question, nah.. I'm not a fan, 'coz every OS sucks ;) |
| 06:40.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I read both lkml and misc@obsd |
| 06:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It's very very entertaining |
| 06:42.36 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: something is wrong with your site, http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame |
| 06:42.48 | Arrowmaster | cladhaire: im seeing double |
| 06:43.13 | Guillotine | just get new glasses |
| 06:43.17 | Guillotine | looks fine to me |
| 06:43.17 | cnc|work | hah |
| 06:43.21 | Guillotine | when I tilt my head just so |
| 06:43.23 | Guillotine | and cross my eyes |
| 06:43.27 | Guillotine | see, no problem |
| 06:43.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Quezacolt (n=chatzill@122.2.197.234) |
| 06:45.33 | cnc|work | kd3: you got a beta inv ? |
| 06:45.50 | Gnarfoz | he had alpha, I guess. |
| 06:45.50 | cog|sleep | cnc|work: i don't think any beta invites have gone out yet |
| 06:46.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub) |
| 06:46.54 | cnc|work | they have |
| 06:46.57 | Guillotine | yah, theres no need for invites this time. Blizzard is just inviting everybody except the people they specifically don't like. So if you didn't get an invite, someone hates you :( |
| 06:48.39 | Arrowmaster | something seems missing on http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 06:48.48 | Arrowmaster | oh theres no movieframe |
| 06:49.12 | Thunder_Child | does blizzard hate you ScytheBlade1? |
| 06:50.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: apparently!!!!11111one |
| 06:50.17 | ScytheBlade1 | In all truth I wouldn't be too surprised, I can be pretty annoying at times :P |
| 06:50.18 | cog|sleep | cnc|work: proof? |
| 06:50.20 | Thunder_Child | donr feel bad, i didnt get one either |
| 06:50.37 | cog|sleep | all the people I've seen on the beta forums are from alpha |
| 06:50.39 | Thunder_Child | assuming they do not send the invites in game |
| 06:51.04 | Gnarfoz | it'll be to your account email, as usual, I guess |
| 06:51.44 | cnc|work | sec, digging up that email screenshot |
| 06:52.07 | Arrowmaster | wtf 9 emails to one of my address and 477 to the other |
| 06:52.33 | Arrowmaster | wow ususally my spam is a little more balanced |
| 06:54.52 | cnc|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.54 | cnc|work | thats cool |
| 06:56.34 | Corrodias | oh darn. SBC is having some routing problems, so my internet is only mostly working :( |
| 06:57.08 | Corrodias | hold me! |
| 06:57.33 | cnc|work | cog|sleep: http://i33.tinypic.com/mv6ek2.png |
| 06:57.38 | cnc|work | wondering wther its fake or not |
| 06:57.43 | Fisker- | lolfake |
| 06:57.49 | cog|sleep | cnc|work: fwiw, if the screenshot you're digging up is from more than a few hours ago, it's definitely false or was actually for the alpha. The very first post on the alpha forums was from 8:05 pm |
| 06:57.52 | Fisker- | obvious fake is fake, etc. |
| 06:57.59 | cnc|work | thought so too simple to be legit |
| 06:58.07 | Corrodias | beta.wow-europe.com, eh |
| 06:58.33 | cog|sleep | totally fake |
| 06:59.11 | cog|sleep | unless euros are giving us the shaft again :P |
| 06:59.24 | Fisker- | ? |
| 06:59.36 | cog|sleep | but afaik, the authentication codes are much longer than what they've censored out yet |
| 06:59.41 | cog|sleep | s/yet/there/ |
| 07:09.37 | Gnarfoz | why would there even be authentication codes with the new opt-in stuff? |
| 07:09.55 | Gnarfoz | they could simply tag accounts from their end and not have the trouble of auth codes being sold or traded |
| 07:10.04 | cnc|work | because the code you'll get is not bound to your account afaik |
| 07:12.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Quezacolt (n=chatzill@122.2.197.234) |
| 07:13.13 | Gnarfoz | erm |
| 07:13.20 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's because I wrote the second line |
| 07:13.29 | Gnarfoz | s/because/the reason/ |
| 07:14.16 | cnc|work | hmmm, you might be right |
| 07:16.28 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz i am your mother |
| 07:16.38 | Gnarfoz | that'd be sweet |
| 07:16.51 | Gnarfoz | Fisker- gimme your beta code |
| 07:16.59 | Fisker- | i has none! |
| 07:17.04 | Fisker- | I don't think EU has been invited yet |
| 07:17.10 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't care about eu people, etc. |
| 07:17.41 | cnc|work | did anyone at all not from alpha get invited yet ? |
| 07:18.00 | Mikk | First rule of alpha: Don't talk about alpha. |
| 07:18.14 | Fisker- | no Mikk |
| 07:18.18 | Guillotine | alpha NDA is gone :) |
| 07:18.18 | Fisker- | cnc|work not to my knowledge |
| 07:18.18 | Gnarfoz | Mikk: you're late, and that quote is... fucking old :p |
| 07:18.20 | Fisker- | atleast not from EU |
| 07:18.35 | Fisker- | also alpha NDA doesn't mean you can't talk about the alpha |
| 07:18.36 | Fisker- | geez |
| 07:18.44 | Fisker- | When do people learn2read what they sign? |
| 07:18.49 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: I'm gonna cry if the client is finished before I get an invite xD |
| 07:19.00 | Fisker- | EU or US? |
| 07:19.09 | Gnarfoz | both |
| 07:19.14 | Gnarfoz | (and I'm on EU) |
| 07:19.15 | Fisker- | primarily? |
| 07:19.26 | Fisker- | ah |
| 07:19.29 | Fisker- | then you may have a chance :P |
| 07:19.30 | Gnarfoz | I'm downloading both clients for randomness, but I play on EU ;p |
| 07:19.42 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 07:19.43 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 07:19.43 | Guillotine | Fisker- Actually, yes, alpha NDA means you can't talk about the alpha |
| 07:19.46 | Guillotine | I read it :) |
| 07:19.51 | Fisker- | Apparently not |
| 07:20.02 | Fisker- | The Alpha NDA also means you can't talk about the NDA |
| 07:20.04 | Fisker- | which you just did |
| 07:20.09 | Fisker- | duh |
| 07:20.11 | Gnarfoz | US client is 17mins out, EU 1h40min |
| 07:20.16 | Guillotine | the NDA is released when we enter beta |
| 07:20.24 | Gnarfoz | we're in Beta now |
| 07:20.27 | Fisker- | i know |
| 07:20.42 | Mikk | Fisker just likes to spout random shit that is wrong and then defend it |
| 07:20.49 | Fisker- | It's not wrong |
| 07:21.00 | Gnarfoz | it's part of his strategy for world domination, do not question it! |
| 07:21.09 | Gnarfoz | 1.6MiB/s client download ftw |
| 07:21.11 | Thunder_Child | if everyone from wow is invited into the beta did they duplicate the ammount of machines that they currently have or is it just one cluster and it's first come first serve for who can log on the fastest? |
| 07:21.13 | Lukian | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.15 | Fisker- | OH U Gnarfoz |
| 07:21.25 | Mikk | Thunder_Child: No, everyone is NOT invited |
| 07:21.33 | Mikk | Everyone could sign up to request a beta key |
| 07:21.37 | Gnarfoz | Lukian: there's just US accounts and EU accounts, for this matter. :P |
| 07:21.38 | Mikk | That doesnt mean everyone will get one |
| 07:21.53 | Thunder_Child | " @Guillotine: yah, theres no need for invites this time. Blizzard is just inviting everybody except the people they specifically don't like. So if you didn't get an invite, someone hates you :(" |
| 07:22.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Zeksie (n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust211.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 07:22.26 | Mikk | Having ten bajillion level 5 beta testers isn't exacty in their best interest |
| 07:22.30 | Guillotine | maybe Blizzard just hates most people? |
| 07:22.38 | Thunder_Child | it is for stress testing |
| 07:22.39 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202650379&sid=2003 <-WORLD FIRST |
| 07:22.41 | Gnarfoz | Mikk: heard of character transfers? oO |
| 07:22.44 | Fisker- | A blue visited the beta forums |
| 07:22.53 | Guillotine | TC: It was a joke :P I really have no idea how this is working |
| 07:22.53 | Mikk | Yeah yeah I know.. was gonna correct myself and say 71 |
| 07:23.01 | Fisker- | Anyways seem to confirm that they're not ready to invite people yet |
| 07:23.02 | Mikk | But I figured someone else would point my error out for me |
| 07:23.09 | Gnarfoz | as always. ;) |
| 07:23.17 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Guillotine |
| 07:23.17 | purl | shoots Guillotine in his sleep |
| 07:23.25 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: then they should hurry up, I'm dying here! :P |
| 07:23.36 | cnc|work | thats one less people to invite then, good |
| 07:23.48 | Fisker- | why must my download speed suck though? |
| 07:23.55 | Gnarfoz | cnc|work: rarrrrrrarrgh :p |
| 07:24.06 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: dunno, it's me taking up all the bandwidth ;p |
| 07:24.08 | Mikk | It's part of blizzard's plan to make more people leave this irc channel |
| 07:24.16 | Mikk | By having Fisker- talk too much in it |
| 07:24.29 | Thunder_Child | pay fisker to talk huh? |
| 07:24.34 | Mikk | No, just delay his download |
| 07:24.39 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-'s out to set a world record for being on more ignore lists |
| 07:24.45 | Fisker- | Indeed |
| 07:24.52 | Gnarfoz | 32% and 50% >_> |
| 07:24.53 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if i'm on any |
| 07:24.58 | Fisker- | Being wrong sucks so for many people that they have to ignore them inste |
| 07:25.01 | Fisker- | instead* |
| 07:26.34 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, people dont ignore you because you're correct and they are not |
| 07:27.05 | Guillotine | yah. They ignore you because they think they're ignoring Thunder_Child, and click on the wrong names |
| 07:27.19 | cnc|work | rofl |
| 07:27.48 | Gnarfoz | why are they renaming Blessings to Hand of *? |
| 07:28.07 | Fisker- | Because they are not meant to be blessings |
| 07:28.12 | Fisker- | and it's not all blessings obviously |
| 07:28.38 | Fisker- | basically so we don't get screwed by having to remove our blessings to give people 10-30 second buffs |
| 07:28.40 | Gnarfoz | ah right they said they'd make them non-exclusxive |
| 07:28.47 | Gnarfoz | -x |
| 07:29.30 | kd3 | hokay... |
| 07:29.35 | kd3 | crapload of wrath info's now on the wiki |
| 07:29.38 | Gnarfoz | they're removing BoS o_O |
| 07:29.54 | kd3 | just wish those images would get uploaded... |
| 07:29.56 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8199349861&sid=2003&pageNo=2#24 <-Just how does he expect us to be able to use the US beta info without an US account :o? |
| 07:30.45 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 07:30.59 | cnc|work | Fisker-: by asking someone from the US in an irc channel ? |
| 07:31.16 | Gnarfoz | he's not even saying that |
| 07:31.19 | Thunder_Child | ~cheeseslap Guillotine |
| 07:31.19 | purl | ACTION slaps Guillotine around with a slice of gouda |
| 07:31.35 | Gnarfoz | fisker's just can't read |
| 07:31.36 | Gnarfoz | -s |
| 07:31.36 | Fisker- | NO U Gnarfoz |
| 07:31.42 | Gnarfoz | yes me. |
| 07:32.05 | Fisker- | You actually need a US account and a US beta key to access the downloads or use the instructions |
| 07:32.23 | Fisker- | unless they fail of course |
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| 07:33.53 | Thunder_Child | has anyone found out yet if the beta key from blizzcon is for WotLK? |
| 07:34.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@c210101.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 07:35.54 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYvt_Vr_QLM&feature=related |
| 07:37.14 | Fisker- | that seems real Thunder_Child |
| 07:37.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (n=kalroth@0x573f1066.hjnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 07:37.17 | Fisker- | thanks for the link! |
| 07:37.23 | Thunder_Child | welcome |
| 07:37.25 | cnc|work | bah |
| 07:37.28 | cnc|work | can't access youtube |
| 07:37.34 | Thunder_Child | if you like that, try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYX5DfHE9bo |
| 07:37.35 | Gnarfoz | # Vanish no longer requires the reagent Flash Powder. < lol |
| 07:43.05 | Gnarfoz | and I wonder when they'll remove soul link |
| 07:43.16 | Gnarfoz | it's down to 15% now. it once was 50% |
| 07:43.37 | cnc|work | confirmed, its with a key |
| 07:43.41 | cnc|work | they don't just tag ur account |
| 07:43.46 | cnc|work | https://beta.wow-europe.com/expansion/ asks for a key |
| 07:44.12 | Fisker- | Death Wish (Fury) no longer makes you immune to Fear effects. xD? |
| 07:44.22 | Fisker- | "confirmed"? |
| 07:44.29 | Fisker- | Welcome to like 1 year ago ;_; |
| 07:46.04 | cnc|work | some guys were saying that they'd tag ur account |
| 07:46.09 | cnc|work | instead of giving u a key |
| 07:46.26 | Gnarfoz | no, you just aren't reading correctly these days ._> |
| 07:46.59 | bleeter | they probably tag it insofar as 'this account got sent that key' and then track which account the key ends up on ;) |
| 07:47.02 | Gnarfoz | I was saying, as was speculated when the opt-in became known, that they could, in theory, use this to do that |
| 07:47.23 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: that's too much work, really. they'd just prevent key use on other accounts than the one it got sent to |
| 07:47.25 | cnc|work | bleeter: nah |
| 07:47.38 | Gnarfoz | also, Fisker- that's the EU F&F Alpha page, still. |
| 07:47.41 | cnc|work | they want keys to be given out to other people if someone doesn't want his key :s |
| 07:47.51 | Fisker- | i know Gnarfoz |
| 07:47.58 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: so, nothing proven :p |
| 07:48.00 | Fisker- | that's why i said "welcome to like 1 year ago" |
| 07:48.02 | Fisker- | Actually it is |
| 07:48.15 | Fisker- | 1. They said you could give the beta to other persons |
| 07:48.18 | Fisker- | so it's NOT a tag |
| 07:48.29 | Fisker- | 2. They've always used cd-keys |
| 07:51.39 | Gnarfoz | past actions don't say anything about future actions, this is Blizzard, you remember ;p |
| 07:52.23 | Fisker- | I didn't say it did |
| 07:52.49 | Fisker- | Just saying it's most likely |
| 07:53.44 | Gnarfoz | I haet you anyway, just like blizz hates us EU players :p |
| 07:53.53 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 07:54.02 | Fisker- | but you can't haet me in public |
| 07:54.06 | Fisker- | that would be PR suicide |
| 07:54.31 | Gnarfoz | it would be PR hate |
| 07:55.54 | Fisker- | must have faster dl :( |
| 07:55.56 | Gnarfoz | actually, I do, I'm throwing bandwidth at the damn client torrents for no reason at all |
| 07:55.58 | Fisker- | 1½ hour left |
| 07:56.10 | kd3 | 57% |
| 07:56.18 | Fisker- | 63% |
| 07:56.19 | Fisker- | hoho kd3 |
| 07:56.26 | Fisker- | but atleast you are in the beta |
| 07:56.29 | Fisker- | think about poor Gnarfoz and me |
| 07:56.29 | Gnarfoz | I seem to have overtaken the 'center' of the US swarm by now, it's slowing down |
| 07:56.44 | Gnarfoz | us: 88%, eu: 64%, key: 0% |
| 07:57.19 | Fisker- | bleh |
| 07:57.28 | Fisker- | if only blizzard cared about EU people |
| 07:57.35 | wereHamster | what? are you downloading wotlk? |
| 07:57.37 | Thunder_Child | NEVAH! |
| 07:57.39 | Gnarfoz | I'm gonna eat out of frustration now. afterwards, I'll sue Blizzard for making me fat and get tons of cash out of that. which I will spend on more food. |
| 07:57.42 | Fisker- | on US frequent bugreporters/posters got F&F status apparently |
| 07:57.45 | Fisker- | but here we got NOTHINGS |
| 07:57.51 | wereHamster | where can I get the key :) |
| 07:57.54 | cnc|work | were there lots of interface changes in the alpha btw ? |
| 07:57.56 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: that's exactly how F&F works, though :( |
| 07:58.02 | Thunder_Child | kneepads wereHamster, kneepads |
| 07:58.07 | Fisker- | :? Gnarfoz? |
| 07:58.16 | wereHamster | Thunder_Child: done. And now? |
| 07:58.22 | Sixen | Yeah, we can't talk about F&F Alpha |
| 07:58.34 | Thunder_Child | wereHamster, that was really fast |
| 07:58.38 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: 'friend of blizzard' status is awarded to, among others, top bug reporters etc. |
| 07:58.44 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 07:58.46 | Fisker- | but not for EU |
| 07:58.51 | Fisker- | cause they don't care about EU people |
| 07:58.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah, they're probably HAETing us |
| 07:59.02 | Sixen | heh |
| 07:59.04 | Gnarfoz | or just not caring, as you say. I should make a macro of that ;p |
| 07:59.09 | batrick | I think it'd be cool if they gave addon authors a bunch of keys again |
| 07:59.11 | Fisker- | Which is annoying given the time i spent on the TBC beta |
| 07:59.15 | Sixen | Blizzard Friends List, yeah. |
| 07:59.44 | cnc|work | I do hope they'll give addon authors a bunch of keys again idd |
| 07:59.47 | Gnarfoz | batrick: quick, gimme an idea for an addon like 2 million people will instantly download to make me famous! :p |
| 07:59.55 | Guillotine | cnc|work: Obviously there were some new scripts/events added for new stuff. The primary change that will affect current addons is the this->self change |
| 08:00.03 | Cairenn | batrick, cnc|work: that really would be cool, wouldn't it .... |
| 08:00.13 | cnc|work | yea Cairenn :D |
| 08:00.27 | wereHamster | why isn't everyone who stays here in this channel for more then 6hours a day F&F? |
| 08:00.33 | Gnarfoz | my only claim to fame is a fubar plugin for the newest version of ItemRack :x |
| 08:00.40 | Fisker- | I'll write an addon "GiveMeTheKey" |
| 08:00.50 | Fisker- | That spams GiveMeTheKey on the screen |
| 08:00.58 | Guillotine | Write an addon using my BrainFwck interpreter |
| 08:01.04 | Gnarfoz | should spam on server consoles/log files, Fisker- |
| 08:01.33 | Guillotine | anyway, I'm off to bed. Night all :) |
| 08:01.40 | Cairenn | night Guillotine |
| 08:01.42 | Fisker- | bai |
| 08:01.47 | Thunder_Child | night Guillotine |
| 08:01.52 | Guillotine | good luck on getting beta invites everyone :) |
| 08:01.56 | Sixen | Night Guillo. |
| 08:01.57 | Sixen | Hehe. |
| 08:02.02 | Fisker- | The target becomes a Beacon of Light, healing all party or raid members within 10 yards for 2000 over 15 sec. |
| 08:02.02 | Fisker- | (Rank 5, Level 80, 2330 mana, 1.5 sec Cast) |
| 08:02.02 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 08:02.05 | Fisker- | that isn't even that great |
| 08:02.08 | *** part/#wowuidev Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ip68-111-86-113.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 08:02.16 | Gnarfoz | mana cost is a bit high, lol |
| 08:02.29 | Fisker- | WUT |
| 08:02.32 | Fisker- | Increases the range of your Judgement spells by 10/20 yards. |
| 08:02.32 | Fisker- | (2 Ranks) |
| 08:02.32 | Fisker- | :DDD |
| 08:02.36 | Gnarfoz | whaaat |
| 08:02.38 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 08:02.40 | Fisker- | holy talent |
| 08:02.40 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 08:02.44 | cnc|work | well, if ur whole raid is within 10 yards of eachother thats gonna heal for a LOT Fisker- |
| 08:02.44 | Gnarfoz | haha insane |
| 08:02.51 | Fisker- | Your Judgement spells increase your casting and melee haste by 2/4/6/8/10% for 30 secs. |
| 08:02.51 | Fisker- | (5 Ranks) |
| 08:02.52 | cnc|work | it doesn't put a limit on the number of people healed |
| 08:02.52 | Fisker- | :D? |
| 08:02.54 | Fisker- | hax |
| 08:02.58 | Gnarfoz | uber hax |
| 08:03.06 | cnc|work | that might make holy palas judge :o |
| 08:03.12 | Fisker- | Your Cleanse spell has a 10/20/30% chance to increase the target's resistance to Disease, Magic and Poison by 30% for 10 sec. |
| 08:03.12 | Fisker- | (3 Ranks) |
| 08:03.15 | Gnarfoz | good thing I rolled that paladin back then :D |
| 08:03.17 | cnc|work | if its not too deep in the dps tree is |
| 08:03.18 | Fisker- | Your Holy Shock critical hits reduce the cast time of your next Holy Light spell by 1.25/2.5 secs. |
| 08:03.19 | Fisker- | (2 Ranks) |
| 08:03.19 | Fisker- | :D |
| 08:03.24 | Fisker- | i think i'm going to be full holy again |
| 08:03.25 | Arrowmaster | also i wonder if that beacon of light thing will get a retarded amount of extra healing from spellpower |
| 08:03.46 | cnc|work | Arrowmaster: any multitarget spell scales to insane amounts even if its coefficient is low due to the way it works :p |
| 08:03.47 | Gnarfoz | I'm thinking I'm gonna be paladin again, for that matter xD |
| 08:03.52 | Fisker- | Still, should be moar like 20 yards |
| 08:03.54 | cnc|work | you can heal 25 people with that beacon of light |
| 08:04.03 | cnc|work | --> 25*2000 |
| 08:04.03 | batbot | cnc|work: > 50000 |
| 08:04.12 | Arrowmaster | use it in av fighting the general |
| 08:04.12 | Gnarfoz | doesn't say anything about cooldown, btw |
| 08:04.12 | cnc|work | thats a wooping 50k healing in a 1.5 sec cast :p |
| 08:04.17 | Fisker- | top healing meter, here we go |
| 08:04.33 | Fisker- | but they all have to be within 10 yards though |
| 08:04.35 | cnc|work | Fisker-: you won't beat me nourish ! |
| 08:04.42 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: I'll transfer to where you're and we'll claim all healing meters for ourselves! :p |
| 08:07.23 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 08:08.03 | cnc|work | Gnarfoz: you REALLY don't want to play with fiskerdin |
| 08:08.14 | Gnarfoz | INORITE? |
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| 08:08.27 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 08:08.28 | Gnarfoz | he's from that weird place |
| 08:09.03 | Fisker- | they removed crushing blows from the game? :o |
| 08:09.14 | Gnarfoz | where? oO |
| 08:09.20 | cnc|work | they did ? |
| 08:09.22 | Gnarfoz | eu: 71%; us: 100%; key: 0% <-- :( *runs around in circles* |
| 08:09.24 | Arrowmaster | perty much yeah from what ive heard |
| 08:09.29 | cnc|work | wow |
| 08:09.33 | cnc|work | that'll make druids insane tanks :s |
| 08:09.41 | cnc|work | except if they buff shields so hard to give craploads of armor |
| 08:09.48 | Arrowmaster | really its looking like anybodys going to be able to tank |
| 08:10.31 | cnc|work | eh ? |
| 08:10.54 | Arrowmaster | they are turning tanking into doing more dps to do more threat instead of mitigating armor |
| 08:10.57 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202570177&sid=2003#1 |
| 08:11.03 | Arrowmaster | look at the deathknight talents and abilitys |
| 08:11.09 | Fisker- | so that's why they removed threat reduction i guess |
| 08:11.25 | Fisker- | kd3 status? :O |
| 08:11.25 | Arrowmaster | at 70 deathknights wouldnt be able to tank shit because they dont have the mitigation |
| 08:11.35 | cnc|work | I don't get it |
| 08:12.01 | Fisker- | Well it makes sense in a way |
| 08:12.11 | Fisker- | Now tanks can DEEPEEEESSSS |
| 08:12.14 | Fisker- | and then we get moar tanks |
| 08:12.26 | cnc|work | well, having a prot tree in those cases don't make sense |
| 08:12.32 | cnc|work | if you can just go fury and tank well anyway |
| 08:12.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah even though warrior is the most populated class on every server every faction |
| 08:12.57 | cnc|work | s/warriors/non prot warriors/ |
| 08:13.04 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 08:13.17 | Arrowmaster | the entire game design was broken from the beginning imho |
| 08:13.29 | cnc|work | kinda true |
| 08:13.31 | cnc|work | lets hope they fix it well |
| 08:13.53 | Arrowmaster | the 'fix' is a bandaid fix because its already broken and you cant truely fix it |
| 08:14.05 | cnc|work | depends |
| 08:14.09 | cnc|work | its an expansion |
| 08:14.10 | Arrowmaster | without making half the warrior population QQ |
| 08:14.13 | cnc|work | they can totaly redo stuff if they want to |
| 08:14.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah they are totally redoing stuff |
| 08:18.00 | Mikk | "the entire game design was broken from the beginning imho" ... ehm yeah ok right so that's why it's the world's most popular mmo, three years running? oO |
| 08:18.27 | Arrowmaster | its still broken though |
| 08:18.38 | nevcairiel | If it would, how come 10 million people play? |
| 08:19.01 | Arrowmaster | because over 5 million of those 10 million only care about pvp |
| 08:19.12 | nevcairiel | still leaves 5 million |
| 08:19.41 | Gnarfoz | he's been exposed to #wowace for too long... it's quite usual for people to claim "but it's horribly broken because X" when it's just they don't like how something's done :p |
| 08:19.43 | Arrowmaster | of which 4 million is casual and either doesnt have a 70 or doesnt raid or pvp |
| 08:20.15 | Fisker- | so 4 million people doesn't pvp but cares about pvp? :o |
| 08:20.22 | Fisker- | share drugs please |
| 08:20.25 | Arrowmaster | no when theres more 'tank' characters in the game than any other and theres a shortage of tanks something is broken |
| 08:20.30 | Gnarfoz | share key, even better |
| 08:20.38 | Arrowmaster | i never said that fisker |
| 08:20.48 | nevcairiel | I dunno, we never had issues getting enough tanks |
| 08:20.55 | Fisker- | indeed Gnarfoz |
| 08:20.57 | Fisker- | share key |
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| 08:21.03 | Fisker- | 78% on EU |
| 08:21.04 | Fisker- | you? |
| 08:21.09 | Gnarfoz | 79% |
| 08:21.11 | Fisker- | oh u |
| 08:21.14 | Gnarfoz | it's slowing down like shit |
| 08:21.20 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 08:21.25 | Fisker- | been slow all the way for me |
| 08:21.31 | Gnarfoz | uploading 1.8MB/s, downloading 170KB/s :( |
| 08:21.37 | Fisker- | could easily download 5-8 times faster |
| 08:21.54 | Fisker- | wut |
| 08:22.00 | Fisker- | now it crashed without saying shit |
| 08:22.15 | Fisker- | atleast i didn't lose any data :P |
| 08:22.32 | nevcairiel | I cant even get to the downloader because it claims its busy |
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| 08:23.00 | Gnarfoz | eu page is still for the F&F alpha |
| 08:23.07 | Gnarfoz | gotta get the downloader... elsewhere ^^ |
| 08:23.18 | Fisker- | you in teh beta nevcairiel ?:o |
| 08:24.28 | Fisker- | and now it's even slower :o |
| 08:26.05 | wereHamster | clearly because you are talking too much! |
| 08:26.12 | Thunder_Child | ~lick Fisker- |
| 08:26.13 | purl | ACTION licks Fisker- *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 08:26.21 | cnc|work | yea, irc taking all your bandwidth Fisker- |
| 08:26.26 | Fisker- | ~lick Thunder_Child |
| 08:26.27 | purl | ACTION licks Thunder_Child *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 08:26.43 | Thunder_Child | ~pee Fisker- |
| 08:26.44 | purl | ACTION unzips his pants and tinkles on the head of Fisker- |
| 08:26.53 | Fisker- | ~fart Thunder_Child |
| 08:26.54 | purl | ACTION farts in Thunder_Child's general direction |
| 08:27.30 | Thunder_Child | ~spit Fisker- |
| 08:27.31 | purl | ACTION hurls a huge goober onto Fisker-. |
| 08:27.52 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 08:27.53 | Thunder_Child | ~crap |
| 08:27.54 | purl | i guess crap is the stream of muck that comes from dog's arses, or the Comprehensive Ruby Archive Portal |
| 08:28.07 | Fisker- | ~sneeze Thunder_Child |
| 08:28.15 | Thunder_Child | ~cough Fisker- |
| 08:28.26 | Fisker- | ~fail purl |
| 08:28.27 | purl | purl: FAIL! |
| 08:28.29 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* have to write new ones now |
| 08:28.48 | Thunder_Child | ~urinate |
| 08:28.49 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, urinate is a nice thing to do on people |
| 08:29.02 | Cairenn|afk | >< |
| 08:29.03 | Fisker- | ~urinate Thunder_Child |
| 08:29.10 | Fisker- | aww |
| 08:29.14 | Thunder_Child | i didnt do it Cairenn|afk |
| 08:29.35 | Fisker- | It was Gnarfoz actually |
| 08:29.39 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo urinate |
| 08:29.39 | purl | urinate -- created by motorola <soke@d212-151-183-27.swipnet.se> at Thu Dec 30 23:09:12 1999 (3122 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by Thunder_Child, 50s ago. |
| 08:29.51 | Fisker- | heh |
| 08:29.54 | Fisker- | talk about underused |
| 08:29.57 | Thunder_Child | wow, a whole 3 times |
| 08:30.09 | wereHamster | presumably since the last purl restart |
| 08:30.10 | Thunder_Child | in 3,122 days |
| 08:30.10 | Fisker- | ~kiss Gnarfoz |
| 08:30.11 | purl | ACTION forces Gnarfoz to give Shirik|zZz a big kiss on the forhead |
| 08:30.27 | Thunder_Child | huh? |
| 08:30.34 | Thunder_Child | ~literal Kiss |
| 08:30.35 | purl | "kiss" is "<action>*smooch*" |
| 08:30.46 | cnc|work | thats ~kiss without name |
| 08:30.57 | Thunder_Child | ~literal CMD: Kiss (.*?) |
| 08:30.57 | purl | "cmd: kiss (.*?)" is "($1): <action> forces $1 to give $randnick a big kiss on the (lips|neck|hand|forhead|ear)" |
| 08:31.12 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 08:31.13 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give suprm a big kiss on the neck |
| 08:31.24 | Fisker- | no need to force it :o |
| 08:31.27 | Thunder_Child | lol, i read that as sperm |
| 08:31.34 | wereHamster | me too |
| 08:31.54 | cnc|work | I do find it funny our first use picked Shirik from the list |
| 08:32.05 | Thunder_Child | if only he was alive to see it |
| 08:32.25 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz status? |
| 08:32.41 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 08:32.42 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give cog|sleep a big kiss on the lips |
| 08:32.47 | Fisker- | YEAH |
| 08:32.49 | Gnarfoz | 86% |
| 08:32.55 | Fisker- | i h8 you then |
| 08:32.57 | Thunder_Child | lol, now cog |
| 08:33.03 | Fisker- | 81 :( |
| 08:33.34 | Gnarfoz | i r faster connected, yes |
| 08:34.33 | kd3 | 69%... faster, damn it! |
| 08:34.43 | kd3 | and crap, it's 04:30 my time |
| 08:34.48 | kd3 | guess it'll be done when I wake up |
| 08:34.49 | Fisker- | you can't complain |
| 08:34.58 | Fisker- | you're in the beta :( |
| 08:35.05 | kd3 | yes, yes I am |
| 08:35.45 | Gnarfoz | kd3: want ddl? ;p |
| 08:35.59 | Thunder_Child | so are all the people that went to blizzcon ( i assume thats what the key is fro) |
| 08:36.02 | Thunder_Child | for* |
| 08:36.10 | wereHamster | so how do you get into beta? F&F? Or is there another way? |
| 08:36.17 | Thunder_Child | i wish the key fas for D3 though :( |
| 08:36.17 | cnc|work | F&F or random mail atm |
| 08:36.19 | Thunder_Child | for* |
| 08:36.23 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 08:36.24 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Thunder_Child. I hate you because you fail. |
| 08:36.32 | cnc|work | Thunder_Child: we don't know if its for wotlk |
| 08:36.39 | Fisker- | you do now! |
| 08:36.45 | Fisker- | It's the first coming beta anyways |
| 08:36.45 | Thunder_Child | cnc|work, not not for sure, but it is rather likely |
| 08:36.58 | Fisker- | They've always said it would be the first coming beta |
| 08:37.03 | Fisker- | so we know for pretty sure actually >:O |
| 08:37.30 | Thunder_Child | i still havent used the merlock part of my card |
| 08:37.38 | Fisker- | giev |
| 08:37.49 | Thunder_Child | and i stopped playing wow no less |
| 08:43.06 | Fisker- | ~kiss Thunder_Child |
| 08:43.07 | purl | ACTION forces Thunder_Child to give kaelten_ a big kiss on the forhead |
| 08:43.11 | Fisker- | hawt |
| 08:43.31 | cnc|work | sigh |
| 08:43.35 | cnc|work | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 08:43.36 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give doow_ a big kiss on the neck |
| 08:47.35 | Fisker- | btw Gnarfoz |
| 08:47.39 | Fisker- | the US requires a cd-key |
| 08:47.46 | Fisker- | so baw, etc. |
| 08:47.58 | Sixen | D2 CDKey |
| 08:48.04 | Sixen | Oh wut |
| 08:48.38 | Fisker- | so you haxed yourself a betakey Sixen? :o |
| 08:48.48 | Sixen | I don't think you could say that : |
| 08:48.50 | Sixen | :o |
| 08:48.57 | Fisker- | alphakey? |
| 08:49.05 | Sixen | Perhaps. |
| 08:49.13 | Sixen | I axed myself a key. |
| 08:49.19 | Fisker- | >:O? |
| 08:49.28 | Sixen | Broke into Blizzard and axed Hortu's poor 3ft body until he gave up a key. |
| 08:49.30 | cnc|work | axing keys evil |
| 08:49.31 | cnc|work | axe is evil |
| 08:49.37 | Sixen | c wut i did thar? |
| 08:50.14 | Fisker- | i would've haxed it |
| 08:51.03 | Sixen | But I like Gnome Soup~ |
| 08:51.18 | Sixen | Speaking of Gnome Soup, where did I put Cog's legs.. |
| 08:51.20 | Sixen | I hunger. |
| 08:51.32 | Fisker- | cog|sleep is mine |
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| 08:53.16 | Fisker- | so Gnarfoz |
| 08:53.17 | Fisker- | done? |
| 09:07.05 | Gnarfoz | yeah yeah |
| 09:07.30 | Fisker- | *haet* |
| 09:07.39 | Gnarfoz | just a bit. |
| 09:07.40 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 09:08.08 | Fisker- | gotten a key? :D |
| 09:09.08 | Gnarfoz | no? :( |
| 09:09.51 | Fisker- | :) |
| 09:10.09 | Gnarfoz | you didn't :( |
| 09:10.23 | nevcairiel | they are not sending out the random keys yet |
| 09:10.37 | nevcairiel | not before the EU page is fully online |
| 09:11.01 | Fisker- | sauce? |
| 09:11.24 | Gnarfoz | on my pizza! |
| 09:11.54 | Fisker- | So i guess with the whole Blizzard account thingy that they're going to consolidate it in the future? |
| 09:12.10 | Sixen | Yup, yup. |
| 09:12.13 | Fisker- | single sign on for all battle.net/blizzard services |
| 09:12.18 | Sixen | Exactly. |
| 09:12.28 | Sixen | Battle.net 2.0 should include the Blizz Account if i'm not mistaken. |
| 09:12.33 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 09:12.45 | Fisker- | So account deletion if not played enough within 48 hours etc. |
| 09:12.47 | Fisker- | no* |
| 09:12.58 | Sixen | Probably not. |
| 09:13.07 | Sixen | Unless of course, they just link accounts to your blizzaccount'= |
| 09:13.20 | Sixen | We'll see, :X |
| 09:13.38 | Fisker- | To be honest they could give us that |
| 09:13.46 | Fisker- | harddrive space is cheap! |
| 09:14.00 | cnc|work | string.gsub(Binding, "^(.).*(%-.*)", "%1%2") |
| 09:14.07 | cnc|work | what does that sub do ? :( I can't figure it out |
| 09:14.17 | Fisker- | it harasses you |
| 09:14.25 | cnc|work | ah yea I see |
| 09:14.34 | cnc|work | replaces ctrl-f by c-f |
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| 09:35.17 | Arrowmaster | cnc|work: yeah although i consider it flawed |
| 09:35.56 | cnc|work | Arrowmaster: how so ? |
| 09:35.58 | Arrowmaster | since it will not work right with multiple modifier key bindings |
| 09:36.09 | cnc|work | hmmm true |
| 09:36.12 | cnc|work | how would you correct it ? |
| 09:36.20 | Arrowmaster | change .* to .- |
| 09:36.40 | cnc|work | still wouldn't do with the .* at the end I think |
| 09:36.45 | cnc|work | remove it too ? |
| 09:36.47 | Arrowmaster | it still wont be correct but atleast it wont display completely wrong info |
| 09:37.11 | Arrowmaster | no the later one is good |
| 09:37.42 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.gsub("Control-Alt-Delete", "^(.).*(%-.*)", "%1%2") |
| 09:37.42 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: C-Delete, 1 |
| 09:37.49 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.gsub("Control-Alt-Delete", "^(.).-(%-.*)", "%1%2") |
| 09:37.49 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: C-Alt-Delete, 1 |
| 09:38.08 | cnc|work | lua>string.gsub("Control-Alt-Delete", "^(.).-%-", "%1%2") |
| 09:38.08 | lua_bot | cnc|work: luabot:1: invalid capture index |
| 09:38.20 | Arrowmaster | you need 2 captures |
| 09:38.23 | cnc|work | string.gsub("Control-Alt-Delete", "^(.).-%-", "%1") |
| 09:38.30 | cnc|work | lua> string.gsub("Control-Alt-Delete", "^(.).-%-", "%1") |
| 09:38.30 | lua_bot | cnc|work: CAlt-Delete, 1 |
| 09:38.40 | cnc|work | ups, damn I suck |
| 09:38.51 | cnc|work | gonna msg luabot directly |
| 09:38.54 | cnc|work | getting spammy :p |
| 09:40.02 | cnc|work | lua> string.gsub("Control-Alt-Delete", "(.).-%-", "%1-") |
| 09:40.02 | lua_bot | cnc|work: C-A-Delete, 2 |
| 09:40.15 | cnc|work | not removing the last one is what I want, but why exactly ain't it removing it ? |
| 09:40.26 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.gsub("Control-Delete", "(.).-%-", "%1-") |
| 09:40.26 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: C-Delete, 1 |
| 09:40.45 | cnc|work | its wanted behaviour, but still, its unexpected :p |
| 09:40.46 | Arrowmaster | oh because its gsub |
| 09:41.07 | Arrowmaster | lua> string.gsub("Control-Delete-", "(.).-%-", "%1-") |
| 09:41.07 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: C-D-, 2 |
| 09:41.09 | Arrowmaster | see |
| 09:41.16 | cnc|work | ah yea, the minus |
| 09:41.24 | Arrowmaster | the ending - is part of the pattern |
| 09:41.24 | cnc|work | good stuff, exactly what I need |
| 09:41.41 | cnc|work | ty for pointing out its flawed |
| 09:41.55 | Arrowmaster | np |
| 09:42.16 | cnc|work | any way to shorten this btw ? |
| 09:42.17 | cnc|work | Binding = Binding:gsub("button3", "MM"):gsub("button1", "LM"):gsub("button2", "RM"); |
| 09:42.32 | Arrowmaster | umm |
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| 09:44.35 | cnc|work | doing 3 gsubs for that bothers me |
| 09:45.43 | cladhaire | lua> Binding = "button1button3button2"; t = {button1 = "LM", button2 = "RM", button3 = "MM"}; Binding = Binding:gsub("button%d", t); print(Binding) |
| 09:45.43 | lua_bot | cladhaire: LMMMRM |
| 09:46.10 | cnc|work | :o, didn't know you could use tables for that |
| 09:46.10 | Arrowmaster | thats exactly what i was just typing up....... |
| 09:46.17 | cnc|work | ty |
| 09:46.20 | cnc|work | ty both of you :) |
| 09:46.28 | cnc|work | how handy |
| 09:46.51 | cladhaire | you can also use a function for it |
| 09:46.52 | cladhaire | i.e. |
| 09:47.31 | cladhaire | ("button1button2button3"):gsub("button%d", function(str) if str == "button1" then return "LM" elseif str == "button2" then return "RM" elseif str == "button3" then return "MM" end) |
| 09:47.37 | cladhaire | lua> ("button1button2button3"):gsub("button%d", function(str) if str == "button1" then return "LM" elseif str == "button2" then return "RM" elseif str == "button3" then return "MM" end) |
| 09:47.37 | lua_bot | cladhaire: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
| 09:47.46 | cladhaire | lua> ("button1button2button3"):gsub("button%d", function(str) if str == "button1" then return "LM" elseif str == "button2" then return "RM" elseif str == "button3" then return "MM" end end) |
| 09:47.46 | lua_bot | cladhaire: LMRMMM, 3 |
| 09:48.11 | cnc|work | a table seems handyer here |
| 09:48.20 | cnc|work | can add different stuff then buttonX to it if I want to |
| 09:48.50 | cnc|work | might as well add ctrl- alt- and shift- to it too ? |
| 09:48.56 | cnc|work | instead of matching em like I do atm |
| 09:49.05 | Arrowmaster | nah |
| 09:49.17 | cnc|work | why not ? |
| 09:49.52 | cladhaire | well, ctrl-alt and shift don't match the pattern "button%d" |
| 09:49.52 | cladhaire | :P |
| 09:49.58 | Fisker- | reported |
| 09:50.03 | cnc|work | I mean with the table :) |
| 09:50.18 | cladhaire | not sure what you're saying, but i'm sure you can figure it out |
| 09:50.26 | Arrowmaster | lua> Binding = "ctrl-alt-button1"; t = {button1 = "LM", button2 = "RM", button3 = "MM", ctrl = "C", alt = "A"}; Binding = Binding:gsub("[^%-]", t); print(Binding) |
| 09:50.27 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: ctrl-alt-button1 |
| 09:50.35 | Arrowmaster | lua> Binding = "ctrl-alt-button1"; t = {button1 = "LM", button2 = "RM", button3 = "MM", ctrl = "C", alt = "A"}; Binding = Binding:gsub("[^%-]*", t); print(Binding) |
| 09:50.36 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: C-A-LM |
| 09:50.39 | cladhaire | ayde |
| 09:50.44 | cladhaire | thats the best way to do it if you want to |
| 09:51.05 | cnc|work | atm I'm matching ctrl- alt- and shift- with Binding = Binding:gsub("(.).-%-", "%1-"); |
| 09:51.13 | cnc|work | which works, but might as well do everything in a single gsub |
| 09:51.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah probably, not sure if it changed on locale |
| 09:51.38 | cnc|work | hmmm, wld need to ask someone with a chinese or korean version |
| 09:52.09 | Arrowmaster | especially to find out what the mouse buttons are |
| 09:52.22 | Fisker- | http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36747.html <-remember the best trailer of E3 |
| 09:52.35 | Arrowmaster | i would think it wouldnt change on locale though |
| 09:53.13 | cnc|work | it won't actualy |
| 09:53.25 | Arrowmaster | lua> Binding = "ctrl-alt-button1"; Binding = Binding:gsub("[^%-]*", string.reverse); print(Binding) |
| 09:53.25 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: lrtc-tla-1nottub |
| 09:53.28 | cnc|work | I get my bindings from the bindingset the button is using |
| 09:53.29 | Arrowmaster | more fun stuff |
| 09:53.41 | cnc|work | bindingssets are attributes and thus locale independant |
| 09:53.47 | cnc|work | if they're locale dependant then blizz needs slapping :p |
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| 09:56.57 | Guest869 | i need some help whit cosmos |
| 09:57.15 | cnc|work | yes the cosmos updater is down |
| 09:57.23 | Guest869 | no not that |
| 09:57.32 | cnc|work | ask up then :p |
| 09:58.41 | Guest869 | when i trey to instal it.Come text like this There was an error communicating with the serve. |
| 09:58.47 | Guest869 | server* |
| 09:59.30 | cnc|work | <cnc|work>yes the cosmos updater is down |
| 09:59.38 | wereHamster | the cosmos server is down |
| 09:59.41 | cnc|work | s/updater/installer/ |
| 09:59.54 | Guest869 | and there is no Cosmos Distribution to select |
| 10:00.04 | cnc|work | yes, its down |
| 10:00.08 | Guest869 | wouw |
| 10:00.09 | cnc|work | can't do much about it untill its up again |
| 10:00.12 | Guest869 | how come? |
| 10:00.16 | cnc|work | no idea |
| 10:00.25 | cnc|work | ask a cosmos maintainer :p I have no idea who that is though |
| 10:00.46 | Guest869 | but thx werry much u guys |
| 10:00.50 | Guest869 | u realy help me |
| 10:01.04 | Guest869 | i thought my combuter is fuckt up |
| 10:01.07 | wereHamster | how come? Things just happen and nobody knows why. Like the crop circles |
| 10:01.16 | Guest869 | xD |
| 10:01.19 | Guest869 | hehe |
| 10:01.32 | Guest869 | but thx for ur help guys |
| 10:02.20 | Guest869 | how loong u guys think it gonna take that is working again |
| 10:02.38 | cnc|work | its been down since 2 days iirc |
| 10:02.44 | Guest869 | :O |
| 10:02.53 | Guest869 | that loong :O |
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| 10:03.30 | Guest869 | whell gona go play wow :D |
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| 10:23.40 | Maldivia | now, where is our 3.0.1 changes - consise list thread - since there is no longer an NDA |
| 10:23.52 | cnc|work | mmo-champion |
| 10:23.56 | Maldivia | :) |
| 10:24.25 | Maldivia | I highly doubt mmo champs will keep track of API changes etc :) |
| 10:24.50 | cnc|work | true, I don't know where to find api changes |
| 10:24.52 | cnc|work | prolly nowhere |
| 10:25.04 | cnc|work | as I'm not sure the beta servers are up yet ? (can someone confirm that) ? |
| 10:25.33 | Maldivia | well, bwta servers aren't needed to track a lot of the changse :) |
| 10:26.24 | cnc|work | how wld u get em ? |
| 10:26.42 | cladhaire | ill take care of the API changes |
| 10:26.51 | Elkano | well, you'll only need the client and do a diff |
| 10:26.54 | cladhaire | calm your pants |
| 10:27.07 | cladhaire | actually no, its more complicated than that |
| 10:27.13 | cladhaire | that's the easy part |
| 10:27.50 | cnc|work | that'll work only for framexml |
| 10:27.55 | cnc|work | not for real changes |
| 10:28.10 | Maldivia | well, a lot of api changes can be found from looking in the lua files |
| 10:28.14 | Maldivia | see how they are used |
| 10:28.19 | cladhaire | yes, we're aware |
| 10:28.31 | cladhaire | it'll be taken care of, as it always is |
| 10:28.35 | cladhaire | i'll do patch diffs of the actual changes |
| 10:28.38 | Maldivia | cladhaire: I know you are :):) |
| 10:28.41 | cladhaire | beladona will post them on wowcompares |
| 10:28.42 | cladhaire | etc :P |
| 10:29.08 | cladhaire | as soon as i finish patching |
| 10:29.10 | Maldivia | I'm just in hypremode :) |
| 10:29.39 | Maldivia | hyper* |
| 10:29.41 | cladhaire | heh, understandable |
| 10:29.54 | cladhaire | that's what makes it easy to see who was in alpha and who wasn't :P |
| 10:30.35 | Maldivia | not really - I was in hypermode during alpha aswell, but couldn't talk about it :) |
| 10:30.46 | cladhaire | hehe, i mean in general |
| 10:30.58 | cladhaire | especially with spell/talent info |
| 10:31.12 | cladhaire | tho the last push in alpha never happened, so that stuff is all new |
| 10:31.33 | Maldivia | yeah, last push for alpha was before 2.4.3 ptr |
| 10:31.50 | cladhaire | just to add shaman/hunter talents, etc. =( |
| 10:31.53 | cladhaire | everything else still broken |
| 10:31.58 | Maldivia | paladin |
| 10:32.02 | cladhaire | aye |
| 10:32.06 | cladhaire | knew there was one more |
| 10:32.47 | Maldivia | not to mention of of the buggiest cliets they've released so far |
| 10:32.56 | cnc|food | Maldivia: I'm in ur mailbox, stealing ur keyz |
| 10:33.12 | Fisker- | i'm in ur computer, logging ur keyz |
| 10:33.15 | cnc|food | anyway, dinner time |
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| 10:42.38 | cladhaire | and my death knight is gone |
| 10:42.39 | cladhaire | so sad =( |
| 10:43.13 | Fisker- | that's what you get for getting an alpha key |
| 10:43.18 | cladhaire | lol |
| 10:44.20 | Maldivia | it's not gone, it's just "hidden" for a unknown time,to allows newcomers to catck up |
| 10:44.31 | Fisker- | the death knights are broken |
| 10:44.47 | cladhaire | Maldivia: that's not my understanding, actually |
| 10:45.21 | Fisker- | and the other characters should just be locked, not hidden |
| 10:45.22 | cladhaire | i was level 68 |
| 10:45.28 | Maldivia | cladhaire: hmm, that was my understandming of the mesage, but might have read it wrong |
| 10:45.38 | cladhaire | we'll see when the time comes :P |
| 10:46.19 | Fisker- | Although we attempted to salvage death knights created during the alpha, they were broken in many ways; because of the significant changes and improvements made to the class, the existing characters were missing key abilities and would not be able to function properly. Your time testing the death knight was not in vain, though, as it directly contributed to many of the changes that were implemented. |
| 10:46.33 | Fisker- | Doesn't leave much to the imagination imo :o |
| 10:46.37 | cladhaire | aye |
| 10:47.48 | Maldivia | ok, wasn't the message I was refering to, but can't find it right now |
| 10:47.58 | Maldivia | hadn't seen the above |
| 10:50.58 | Maldivia | or well, I had, but for some reason paid more attention to the last part of the message :) |
| 10:51.47 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/ref/patchdiff/8606/8634 |
| 10:51.52 | cladhaire | 2.4.3 to Wrath Beta |
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| 10:52.38 | cladhaire | RuneForge system seems pretty cool |
| 10:53.06 | sancus | anyone interested in bug reports from wotlk beta on their addons? :P |
| 10:53.17 | cncfanatics | I wonder how much dks my guild is going to need |
| 10:53.23 | cncfanatics | sancus: yes |
| 10:53.41 | cncfanatics | not atm though, first need to finish it:D |
| 10:53.55 | sancus | I kind of want to get pitbull and _insert_some_bar_mod_here_ fixed and working |
| 10:54.02 | sancus | so playing isnt the nightmare that alpha was lol |
| 10:54.13 | sancus | but I'll test anything anyone wants me to |
| 10:54.18 | cladhaire | lrn2defaultui |
| 10:54.24 | sancus | yeah the default ui sucks |
| 10:54.28 | sancus | especially if you have crappy eyesight |
| 10:54.42 | cladhaire | meh |
| 10:54.42 | cladhaire | i can see the status bars |
| 10:54.46 | cladhaire | don't need to see my action bars |
| 10:54.52 | sancus | I can *see* them, but |
| 10:54.53 | bleeter | l2play |
| 10:55.03 | sancus | playing with pitbull is a lot more comfortable |
| 10:55.06 | sancus | or ag |
| 10:55.08 | sancus | whichever |
| 10:55.16 | cncfanatics | sancus: I can fix fb2 for you right away if you want |
| 10:55.20 | sancus | I use pitbull because built-in VisualHeal is an amazing help in raids |
| 10:55.22 | cncfanatics | get it loaded & see what errors you get |
| 10:55.36 | sancus | k sec |
| 10:55.44 | cladhaire | yay for battle.net based logon servers |
| 10:55.55 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: means they're fcking slow ? :p |
| 10:56.02 | cladhaire | no |
| 10:56.04 | cladhaire | means they work |
| 10:56.09 | cladhaire | and won't go down with the damn forums |
| 10:56.15 | cncfanatics | ah hehe |
| 10:56.21 | cncfanatics | thought you ment it negativly |
| 10:56.27 | cladhaire | LOTS of CVar changes |
| 10:56.28 | cladhaire | i said "yay" |
| 10:56.30 | cladhaire | that's positive :P |
| 10:56.59 | cncfanatics | can be positive or sarcastic :p |
| 10:58.43 | Maldivia | hmm, BM 50p talent is interesting |
| 11:00.01 | wereHamster | will wlotk use battle.net? |
| 11:00.45 | Fisker- | no |
| 11:02.11 | cladhaire | Fisker-: it already does |
| 11:03.05 | Fisker- | nein |
| 11:03.39 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: |
| 11:03.43 | cncfanatics | I'm a little worried about this error |
| 11:03.46 | cladhaire | ["realmListbn"] = "beta.logon.battle.net", |
| 11:03.47 | cncfanatics | [2008/07/18 07:01:17-4-x1]: FlexBar2-RC1.$Rev: 55549 $\Attributes\Attributes.lua:22: CreateFrame(): Couldn't find inherited node "SecureStateDriverTemplate" |
| 11:05.30 | cncfanatics | looks to me like SecureStateDriverTemplate stopped existing ? |
| 11:06.20 | cladhaire | Whats the context for this? |
| 11:06.24 | cladhaire | on live?. |
| 11:06.30 | sancus | on beta |
| 11:06.51 | cncfanatics | beta |
| 11:08.26 | Fisker- | cncfanatics can't be in the beta :( |
| 11:08.33 | cncfanatics | I'm not |
| 11:08.33 | Fisker- | anywas wheres that realmlist from cladhaire ? |
| 11:08.39 | cncfanatics | realmlist.wtf ? |
| 11:08.39 | cladhaire | Fisker-: cvar defaults. |
| 11:08.48 | sancus | he's not in the beta, I am :p |
| 11:09.14 | cncfanatics | ouch |
| 11:09.17 | cncfanatics | ChatFrame1:AddMessage(type(SecureStateDriverTemplate)) == nil |
| 11:09.32 | cladhaire | so extract the xml and look |
| 11:09.35 | cncfanatics | I can't |
| 11:09.38 | sancus | I can |
| 11:09.55 | Maldivia | cnc: fix path in reg db, and it works fine |
| 11:10.03 | Elkano | oh, playerbuff API is dropped... good to know... |
| 11:10.16 | cncfanatics | UnitBuff for everything now |
| 11:10.19 | cncfanatics | sancus: can you extract em, zip em up & mail em ? |
| 11:10.24 | sancus | yeah one minute |
| 11:10.27 | cncfanatics | diego.duclos@gmail.com |
| 11:10.27 | Elkano | hmmm... GetQuestLogRewardTalents |
| 11:10.45 | cncfanatics | Elkano: for death knight quests that will give them the talent points they lack |
| 11:10.52 | cncfanatics | dunno if any other classes will get it |
| 11:11.01 | Elkano | ah, k |
| 11:11.27 | Elkano | hmm... GetUnitPitch/GetUnitSpeed... most likely for the vehicles only I think |
| 11:11.36 | cncfanatics | not sure |
| 11:11.44 | cncfanatics | its not like we can't already figure the speed anywya |
| 11:11.50 | cncfanatics | so them adding a speed wouldn't rly matter |
| 11:11.57 | sancus | hmm |
| 11:12.04 | sancus | I dont even think there is an addon kit thingy for wotlk beta yet |
| 11:12.15 | Elkano | oha... PlayDance |
| 11:12.16 | sancus | guess I can do it manually with an mpg extractor |
| 11:12.16 | cncfanatics | you can extract it from the mpq's iirc |
| 11:12.33 | Maldivia | sancus: the normal one worked fine last I tried |
| 11:12.55 | Maldivia | sancus: just edit the path in the regdb, so the util know where to find the wotlk installation |
| 11:12.55 | sancus | where the heck is the normal one lol |
| 11:13.03 | Maldivia | worldofwarcraft.com/ui |
| 11:13.08 | cncfanatics | ~framexml |
| 11:13.09 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 11:13.13 | bleeter | so the ultimate big question I have a bout wrath.. did they give the furbolg transform from dartol's rod a damn /dance animation yet?? ;) :P |
| 11:13.31 | Elkano | are nameplates dropped, too? :( |
| 11:13.38 | sancus | http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/InterfaceAddOnKit_Win.zip |
| 11:13.40 | sancus | doesnt exist? |
| 11:13.49 | Fisker- | They should delete that rod |
| 11:13.58 | Fisker- | so you can't transform into furbolgs |
| 11:13.59 | sancus | nm |
| 11:14.01 | sancus | found it |
| 11:14.03 | amro | they should delete Fisker- |
| 11:14.41 | cladhaire | posting the diff in a second |
| 11:14.44 | bleeter | yup, let's delete the major alliance chain in Ashenvale, good thinking |
| 11:14.57 | cladhaire | but 44k lines changed |
| 11:14.57 | Elkano | hmm... additional currencies? |
| 11:15.00 | nevcairiel | they should limit the uses on that rod :P |
| 11:15.13 | bleeter | they should give it a dang /dance anim :P |
| 11:15.18 | Fisker- | they should delete amro |
| 11:15.19 | bleeter | I can't RP a Dancing Bear shop :( |
| 11:15.34 | Fisker- | nerf overpowered lowlevel alliance quests |
| 11:16.08 | amro | ~gag Fisker- |
| 11:16.09 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of Fisker- and, as an additional precaution, sews Fisker-'s mouth shut permanently... |
| 11:16.17 | Fisker- | impossible |
| 11:16.36 | Elkano | hmmm... CallRestrictedClosure |
| 11:16.37 | Fisker- | I hope they make that stuff with items you can share between characters on your account usable for tcg items etc. |
| 11:17.12 | nevcairiel | doubt it :P |
| 11:17.16 | Elkano | oh, a new scroolframe ^^ |
| 11:17.24 | cncfanatics | Elkano: wherez ? |
| 11:17.41 | Elkano | just checking through what clad posted before |
| 11:19.17 | cncfanatics | the only global var for the securestatedriver is its onload func |
| 11:19.22 | cncfanatics | weird, where's the frame template ? |
| 11:19.35 | nevcairiel | just wait for the diff |
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| 11:19.53 | cncfanatics | I hope they didn't do major reworks in all that again |
| 11:19.55 | sancus | hmm |
| 11:20.09 | sancus | the addonkit thingy doesnt work, fails on mpq open, trying winmpq |
| 11:20.34 | Elkano | oh and we're getting acces to a better debugstack it seems |
| 11:21.37 | cncfanatics | nice |
| 11:21.44 | Fisker- | owned Gnarfoz |
| 11:21.45 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202460492&sid=2003 |
| 11:21.51 | Fisker- | doh |
| 11:21.52 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202460390&sid=2003#6 |
| 11:22.27 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 11:22.29 | Gnarfoz | nothing new so far? |
| 11:23.17 | Fisker- | i told you i was right |
| 11:23.18 | Fisker- | :o |
| 11:23.29 | zespri | what is the quickest way to get blizz addon code? |
| 11:23.33 | nevcairiel | did you idiots download the wrong version? :P |
| 11:23.34 | cncfanatics | Fisker-'s mom is always right ! |
| 11:23.44 | cncfanatics | zespri: |
| 11:23.47 | cncfanatics | ~framexml |
| 11:23.48 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 11:23.54 | zespri | cheers |
| 11:24.09 | cncfanatics | I recommend the later link |
| 11:24.10 | Fisker- | nah nevcairiel |
| 11:24.20 | Fisker- | i just thought it was odd why he would tell us to not use the US site |
| 11:24.35 | bleeter | save support issues |
| 11:24.38 | Fisker- | Because how are we supposed to register a key and an account that doesn't exist on the US servers? :D |
| 11:24.44 | Fisker- | UNKNOWN CD-KEY bleeter |
| 11:24.46 | Fisker- | UNKNOWN ACCOUNT |
| 11:24.47 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 11:25.24 | bleeter | etc |
| 11:25.34 | sancus | err which mpq is the framexml normally in |
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| 11:25.51 | Fisker- | bleeter no invitations have been sent out |
| 11:25.53 | Kalroth | Xinhuan knows that! |
| 11:25.58 | Fisker- | So there's actually noone to WAAH |
| 11:25.59 | Fisker- | also |
| 11:26.02 | Xinhuan | what? |
| 11:26.03 | Fisker- | they wouldn't be able to post :) |
| 11:26.22 | Xinhuan | what's up |
| 11:26.30 | bleeter | people are stupid and will complain about anything |
| 11:26.34 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: [13:26] <sancus> err which mpq is the framexml normally in |
| 11:26.37 | Fisker- | alright you got me there |
| 11:26.38 | Kalroth | I bet you know this |
| 11:26.39 | bleeter | such as EU staff saying 'don't follow the US site' |
| 11:26.51 | bleeter | people will moan about that poiuntlessly, you just wait and see |
| 11:27.05 | Xinhuan | E:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\enUS\locale-enUS.mpq |
| 11:27.07 | Xinhuan | isn't it obvious? |
| 11:27.13 | Fisker- | hey if anyone moans i'll gladly take a key for them |
| 11:27.16 | cncfanatics | not rly no |
| 11:27.27 | Fisker- | remember the stuff from the patches |
| 11:27.34 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: What if you don't have an E drive?! |
| 11:27.40 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:27.45 | Xinhuan | they go in patch-enus.mpq |
| 11:27.50 | Xinhuan | and patch-enus-2.mpq too |
| 11:28.00 | bleeter | Kalroth: take your HD out and put it in your CD drive, doh! :P |
| 11:28.03 | Xinhuan | so extract from the first, then then 2nd then the 3rd |
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| 11:28.15 | Xinhuan | and let the 3rd > 2nd > 1st in overwriting |
| 11:28.23 | Kalroth | bleeter: Are you sure it'd fit? I guess if I stuff it hard enough. |
| 11:28.38 | Xinhuan | you can make a E: by partitioning your disk more ;p |
| 11:28.42 | bleeter | Kalroth: nothing some percussive maintenance wouldn't rectify |
| 11:28.51 | bleeter | and still, if it didn't fix it, would make you feel good |
| 11:29.11 | Maldivia | or just symlink it (or junction it rather) |
| 11:29.26 | Kalroth | Like the customer that sent in a broken laptop, she had painted symbols on the lcd screen with a permanent marker |
| 11:29.49 | cncfanatics | Kalroth: how can you be so *DUMB* |
| 11:29.57 | Kalroth | and then she used something acidic to remove it, which also removed half of the plastic surface on the screen |
| 11:30.15 | Xinhuan | isn't permanent market stuff removable using alcohol? |
| 11:30.21 | Xinhuan | marker* |
| 11:30.28 | bleeter | quite easy... my dad did a number of insurance evaluation thingies, one was a video recorder that some guy said had been stolen. dad took it apart, out of curiosity look at the video in it |
| 11:30.33 | Kalroth | probably, if only she had used that, Xinhuan |
| 11:30.54 | bleeter | was then he released what this guy had done, was record the football final while he was a t work.. when he watched it and his team lost, he kicked it outta a 10th story window |
| 11:31.00 | Kalroth | lol |
| 11:31.05 | sancus | hmm |
| 11:31.30 | sancus | There's only locale-enUs and patch-enUS, so I guess I'm done |
| 11:32.01 | cncfanatics | quite possible, as its the first beta build |
| 11:32.05 | sancus | Is the stuff in uh |
| 11:32.13 | cncfanatics | sancus: can you put it somewhere online or mail it ? |
| 11:32.25 | sancus | expansion-locale-enUS.mpq |
| 11:32.30 | sancus | of any importance? |
| 11:32.34 | Kalroth | sancus can host it on his manporn site |
| 11:32.42 | sancus | there's an interface dir in there |
| 11:32.49 | nevcairiel | sancus: then yes :P |
| 11:32.52 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/downloads/FrameXML-8606-8634.download |
| 11:32.53 | Kalroth | I'm guessing that's the newest one, sancus |
| 11:32.55 | cladhaire | better URL coming |
| 11:33.04 | cladhaire | that's the diff from 8606 -> 8634 on all of FrameXML |
| 11:33.12 | Kalroth | No boobies there, clad. Useless! |
| 11:33.23 | cncfanatics | let me download the 8606 build and patch it |
| 11:33.31 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: you diffed in the wrong direction :P |
| 11:33.35 | cladhaire | lol |
| 11:33.36 | cladhaire | then I'll re-do it |
| 11:33.39 | cladhaire | and post the framexml |
| 11:33.40 | cladhaire | h8 |
| 11:33.49 | cncfanatics | lol |
| 11:34.01 | cncfanatics | he did a 8634 > 8606 diff ? :o |
| 11:34.01 | Fisker- | whats with all the selfishness? |
| 11:34.29 | cncfanatics | little question |
| 11:34.43 | cncfanatics | couldn't a diff that does 8634>8606 be applied in the reverse way anyway ? |
| 11:34.49 | Fisker- | seriously what's the point in writing self instead of self? :o |
| 11:34.56 | cladhaire | yes |
| 11:34.59 | Fisker- | err |
| 11:35.00 | cladhaire | the point isn't to apply it |
| 11:35.02 | Fisker- | self instead of this |
| 11:35.02 | nevcairiel | I dont want to apply it, i want to look at it .. and its confusing me <.< |
| 11:35.03 | cladhaire | its to be able to read it |
| 11:35.05 | cladhaire | and see clearly |
| 11:35.17 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/downloads/FrameXML-8606-8634.txt |
| 11:35.17 | cladhaire | there |
| 11:35.18 | Maldivia | just read + as old and - as new :) |
| 11:35.21 | cladhaire | now quit yer bitchin |
| 11:35.35 | Fisker- | but like 90% of the changes are self->this :D |
| 11:35.41 | Fisker- | well the other way around but you know |
| 11:36.22 | Maldivia | and it seems securestate* is gone? |
| 11:37.28 | cncfanatics | yea it seems some securestuff has gone missing |
| 11:37.31 | Maldivia | or rather, will be reimplemented |
| 11:37.31 | nevcairiel | they rewrote secure stuff |
| 11:37.39 | cncfanatics | AGAIN ? :s |
| 11:37.39 | nevcairiel | +-- SecureHandlers.lua (Part of the new Secure Headers implementation) |
| 11:37.42 | cncfanatics | seriouly |
| 11:37.50 | cladhaire | again? |
| 11:37.54 | cladhaire | it was written ONCE |
| 11:37.58 | cladhaire | and didn't change from that implementation |
| 11:38.05 | cladhaire | so its not unreasonable to think they'd rework some things |
| 11:38.17 | nevcairiel | RestrictedEnvironment.lua |
| 11:38.17 | nevcairiel | etc |
| 11:38.18 | cncfanatics | I hope its not too major |
| 11:38.18 | sancus | http://sancus.off.net/wotlk/FrameXML.zip if anyone wants |
| 11:38.26 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: its completly new |
| 11:38.27 | cncfanatics | ty sancus |
| 11:38.34 | cncfanatics | ok, rewrite inc :p |
| 11:38.56 | cncfanatics | ty sancus |
| 11:39.02 | sancus | np |
| 11:39.09 | nevcairiel | ask iriel or alestane .. they're both referenced in the file :P |
| 11:39.27 | cncfanatics | just gonna try to figure it out on my own first |
| 11:39.40 | cncfanatics | guess fb3 release is gonna get postponed to wotlk :p |
| 11:39.58 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/downloads/FrameXML-8634.zip as well |
| 11:40.46 | nevcairiel | Hm the restrictedenvironment thing looks complicated |
| 11:41.00 | cladhaire | its not that bad |
| 11:41.03 | nevcairiel | and will kill all actionbuttons, raidframes, unitframes, and what not :P |
| 11:41.06 | cladhaire | you can now write lua code for your states |
| 11:41.14 | cladhaire | afaik |
| 11:41.30 | nevcairiel | Yeah its probably mighty and all |
| 11:41.36 | nevcairiel | just lacks docs until now :) |
| 11:41.37 | Kalroth | +local scrub = scrub; |
| 11:41.38 | Kalroth | HEHE |
| 11:41.52 | Fisker- | but cladhaire |
| 11:41.56 | Fisker- | you must explain! |
| 11:41.57 | cncfanatics | hmmm,cladhaire, could you give a basic explanation how it works ? |
| 11:42.01 | cladhaire | no |
| 11:42.01 | Fisker- | Why self instead of this? |
| 11:42.06 | cladhaire | you want to figure it out on your own |
| 11:42.10 | Fisker- | does not! |
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| 11:42.32 | cncfanatics | hmmm, from the code I'm reading |
| 11:42.36 | Fisker- | i can insert something entirely different, but not into self |
| 11:42.37 | cncfanatics | basicly we'll get a restricted namespace |
| 11:42.47 | cncfanatics | where our code can do stuff but not access outside vars or something ? |
| 11:43.19 | cladhaire | You should talk to alestane and Iriel |
| 11:43.22 | cladhaire | or wait for the inevitable post. |
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| 11:44.50 | nevcairiel | I would wait |
| 11:45.57 | cncfanatics | I'll read some code while doing that though :) |
| 11:46.21 | nevcairiel | Not like you have access to test it anyway |
| 11:46.53 | nevcairiel | But i hope Addon Dev access is on soon, that will probably take a while to rewrite all addons |
| 11:47.05 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 11:47.08 | cncfanatics | the stuff looks fancy |
| 11:47.18 | Xinhuan | omg soo many addons to rewrite :( |
| 11:47.25 | cladhaire | i suspect it'll take less time than you think |
| 11:47.26 | cncfanatics | it seems we'll be running our restricted code in a sandbox |
| 11:47.38 | cncfanatics | and we will get notification from the statedriver when something blizz wants us to know about changes |
| 11:47.39 | cncfanatics | very elegant |
| 11:47.52 | Xinhuan | have like 15 addons to rewrite :( |
| 11:48.21 | Kalroth | Fun! |
| 11:48.24 | cladhaire | you've got time |
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| 11:49.03 | Xinhuan | gonna start working soon :( |
| 11:49.09 | cncfanatics | hmmm, gonna have to redo the design first of all |
| 11:49.32 | cncfanatics | I'm excited :p oldschool fb1 will be able to come back |
| 11:49.36 | cncfanatics | well, at least partialy |
| 11:49.43 | nevcairiel | thats what you wish |
| 11:50.07 | cncfanatics | pretty sure from the code I'm reading |
| 11:50.27 | sancus | if you want me to test anything feel free to pm me |
| 11:50.49 | cladhaire | nothing new is being allowed, in the least |
| 11:50.53 | cladhaire | the exact same restrictions will be in place. |
| 11:50.58 | sancus | hope they unlock alpha chars soon |
| 11:51.01 | sancus | dont really want to relevel my mage :/ |
| 11:51.36 | cncfanatics | cladhaire: true |
| 11:51.41 | cncfanatics | but we'll be able to do stuff directly in lua |
| 11:51.46 | cladhaire | so? |
| 11:51.49 | cncfanatics | so oldschool fb1 events can come back for stuff allowed by blizz |
| 11:52.08 | cncfanatics | instead of having to use state transitions |
| 11:52.10 | cladhaire | first, stop using the world oldschool |
| 11:52.16 | cladhaire | it makes me want to hit you :P |
| 11:52.25 | Fisker- | hit me hit me! |
| 11:52.31 | Fisker- | i mean; oldschool oldschool! |
| 11:52.39 | cncfanatics | s/oldschool// |
| 11:52.41 | wereHamster | don't you get any premades in the beta? |
| 11:52.57 | cncfanatics | wereHamster: I'm hoping for current character import |
| 11:52.59 | Fisker- | Doesn't look like it wereHamster |
| 11:53.12 | nevcairiel | no you can copy your live chars |
| 11:53.12 | Fisker- | nah we have to start from level 1 cncfanatics :O |
| 11:53.19 | foxlit | cos = math.acos; |
| 11:53.19 | foxlit | sin = math.asin; |
| 11:53.23 | foxlit | Heeeey. |
| 11:53.28 | Fisker- | and if we fail to level to level 80 we get deleted outside of the beta |
| 11:53.54 | sancus | Your Judgement Spells restore mana equivalent to 60% of damage caused to up to 3 group or raid members. |
| 11:54.06 | sancus | how could someone even type that into the database |
| 11:54.10 | sancus | without thinking it'd be massively op |
| 11:54.27 | sancus | oops |
| 11:54.29 | foxlit | judgements have a cooldown |
| 11:54.29 | sancus | wrong window |
| 11:54.31 | sancus | but still! |
| 11:54.31 | cncfanatics | lua> 0.60*3000 |
| 11:54.32 | lua_bot | cncfanatics: 1800 |
| 11:54.43 | foxlit | and hey, how much damage does it cause? |
| 11:54.45 | sancus | foxlit: Yeah I'm aware that they have a cooldown :p |
| 11:54.48 | cncfanatics | 1800 mana on 3 random people in ur party/raid every 8 sec ? |
| 11:54.50 | sancus | foxlit: Oh, about 8 or 10k :) |
| 11:55.02 | cncfanatics | eek ? |
| 11:55.12 | foxlit | What the heck are you judging, and who's that vulnerable? |
| 11:55.20 | sancus | the new talents are broken |
| 11:55.21 | sancus | thats all |
| 11:55.40 | sancus | im sure they'll be tuned down |
| 11:56.00 | cncfanatics | I'm guessing they overbuffed ret a bit |
| 11:56.30 | Fisker- | buff holy moar |
| 11:57.06 | cncfanatics | fiskerdin: go talk to the wall |
| 11:57.13 | Fisker- | i am talking to the wall |
| 11:57.17 | Fisker- | you all have me on ignore? |
| 11:57.36 | wereHamster | not all, I'm still listening to you |
| 11:57.40 | cncfanatics | I don't |
| 11:58.03 | Lukian | who the hell designed this UI clock? |
| 11:58.16 | Lukian | it's not centrealigned when there isn't 4 digits |
| 11:58.26 | foxlit | I've seen people that went "oh, nice, there's a clock, I've always wanted one!" |
| 11:58.30 | Kalroth | lol |
| 11:58.34 | sancus | lol |
| 11:58.51 | Lukian | I like it, I prefer the time displayed numerically |
| 11:59.14 | Lukian | but.. come on, how hard is it to make the default UI look decent? |
| 12:00.09 | Lukian | it's not even centre-aligned where there are 4 digits |
| 12:00.16 | Lukian | it hangs over the left edge >.< |
| 12:00.36 | cncfanatics | is it that hard to anchor to the center and use Halign center ? :o |
| 12:00.52 | Quezacolt | I cried a little inside when I first saw that clock... |
| 12:00.55 | Lukian | Apparently! |
| 12:01.16 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 12:01.23 | foxlit | cncfanatics: aesthetics aren't common to everyone :) |
| 12:01.24 | cncfanatics | I want to hug whoever got that idea of restricted envs for wotlk |
| 12:01.36 | cncfanatics | Lukian: DO IT :p |
| 12:01.48 | foxlit | I'd consider it moving when you hit 10:00 a bigger problem than alignment |
| 12:02.18 | Lukian | foxlit, it's 10:00 now |
| 12:02.31 | Lukian | I'm guessing even if it was centred, it still wouldn't fit? |
| 12:02.35 | foxlit | UTC-2? Fancy! |
| 12:02.48 | Lukian | gmt+10 :p |
| 12:02.53 | foxlit | Well, it fits barely |
| 12:02.55 | Lukian | non-24hr display :D |
| 12:02.58 | foxlit | The other 10, then |
| 12:03.55 | cncfanatics | anyone knows about a webmessenger that doesn't get blocked by most corporate firewalls ? :p |
| 12:04.32 | Lukian | cncfanatics, I know of 3, but I can't name them atm (incl. the official one) |
| 12:05.02 | cncfanatics | the official one is blockedhere |
| 12:05.12 | cncfanatics | it seems the sysadmin googled webmessenger and blocked the first 2 pages |
| 12:06.39 | Lukian | Commonly Reported Issues That Are Not Bugs. |
| 12:06.43 | Lukian | 15. Druid Omen of Clarity does not work with Ferocious Bite. |
| 12:06.45 | Lukian | LOL |
| 12:07.13 | sancus | oh hey |
| 12:07.17 | sancus | thats why my arcane barrage is hitting for shit |
| 12:07.19 | sancus | didnt train the 70 rank |
| 12:07.19 | sancus | LOL |
| 12:08.04 | cncfanatics | Lukian: huh ? |
| 12:08.21 | cncfanatics | I guess thats just for the "use all ur energy & covnert it into dmg part" |
| 12:08.27 | cncfanatics | and not for its actual energy cost ? |
| 12:08.32 | cncfanatics | (has always been like that) |
| 12:09.14 | Lukian | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202530498&postId=82016324095&sid=1#0 |
| 12:09.37 | cncfanatics | Lukian: you didn't name it New clock in the UI is FUGLY |
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| 12:22.42 | foxlit | "10:00 o'clock" |
| 12:22.58 | foxlit | it's either 10 or o'clock, pick your favorite :) |
| 12:23.10 | foxlit | s/1/:0/ |
| 12:23.40 | cncfanatics | :00 |
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| 12:26.00 | Fisker- | :00 |
| 12:34.35 | laeg | does anybody know if the wotlk barbershop just lets you change toon hairstyle or everything like skin pigmentation? |
| 12:35.04 | cncfanatics | laeg: a barber changing ur skin pigmentation ? |
| 12:35.09 | cncfanatics | that sounds fishy at best :p |
| 12:35.13 | laeg | my two characters look exactly the same apart from class but i noticed recently one has a shade of skin one degree darker |
| 12:35.17 | laeg | cncfanatics: lol |
| 12:35.20 | laeg | cncfanatics: it's not real life :P |
| 12:35.32 | cncfanatics | still |
| 12:35.35 | laeg | also i would imagine the barber can make bald people not bald etc |
| 12:35.44 | cncfanatics | oh, they can even in real life |
| 12:35.49 | laeg | lies |
| 12:35.55 | laeg | those people aren't barbers :) |
| 12:44.35 | laeg | "Macros and key bindings are now saved server-side so there is no longer a need to reconfigure them when logging in using another computer." |
| 12:44.38 | laeg | nice |
| 12:44.50 | cncfanatics | not nice |
| 12:47.36 | cncfanatics | addons are gonna keep saving some bindings clientside anyway |
| 12:54.28 | laeg | ya i know |
| 12:54.43 | laeg | but why isn't it good that blizz keeps macros and key bindings? |
| 12:54.50 | cncfanatics | macros is good |
| 12:54.54 | cncfanatics | but keybindings is going to lead to confusion |
| 12:54.59 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 12:55.04 | Josh_Borke | increased server load imo |
| 12:55.06 | cncfanatics | some addons will keep clientside & others serverside i think |
| 12:55.14 | nevcairiel | why would a addon save clientside? |
| 12:56.11 | cncfanatics | because they have frames without names ? |
| 12:57.11 | cncfanatics | or frames which's names change |
| 12:57.16 | nevcairiel | Keybindings with unnamed frames are evil anyway |
| 12:57.24 | nevcairiel | also their design is flawed then |
| 12:57.25 | cncfanatics | they're impossible atm |
| 12:57.40 | cncfanatics | frames which's names change are perfectly possible in a good design |
| 12:57.50 | nevcairiel | no, its a bad design for a wow addon :P |
| 12:58.03 | cncfanatics | for example in FB I reuse the frames of removed buttons to create new buttons |
| 12:58.10 | cncfanatics | leading them to have the same frame name :p |
| 12:58.21 | cncfanatics | will probably change that though for wotlk then |
| 12:58.56 | cncfanatics | also, couldn't it be abused to store data serverside ? |
| 13:00.26 | nevcairiel | sure, but what does it matter ?: P |
| 13:00.41 | wereHamster | cncfanatics: what kind of data? |
| 13:01.01 | cncfanatics | wereHamster: you could pretty much store everything if you put enough effort in it |
| 13:01.17 | cncfanatics | I wouldn't even be surprised if someone wrote a library that cld serialize tables and store em serverside that way :p |
| 13:01.20 | nevcairiel | max macro slots * max macro length |
| 13:01.35 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: could store them in keybindings too |
| 13:01.40 | cncfanatics | though that takes a lot lot lot of effort |
| 13:01.41 | wereHamster | cncfanatics: you mean like server-side savedvariables? |
| 13:01.49 | nevcairiel | and destroy your keybindings? |
| 13:01.58 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: use dummy frames |
| 13:02.07 | nevcairiel | there is only so much keys |
| 13:02.24 | nevcairiel | also it'll probably only restore keybindings where the frames exist |
| 13:02.41 | cncfanatics | wld have to see how it works in detail |
| 13:03.05 | nevcairiel | also, i hate on people whos first thought goes into exploiting new functions |
| 13:03.38 | cncfanatics | you hate me, nothing new :p |
| 13:04.58 | nevcairiel | truth |
| 13:05.09 | cncfanatics | ~lart nevcairiel |
| 13:05.09 | purl | forces nevcairiel to use Outlook Express |
| 13:05.31 | wereHamster | ~truth |
| 13:05.32 | purl | hmm... truth is often known as T-theory. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-schema |
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| 13:11.36 | alestane | Morning Peppy. |
| 13:11.38 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: I hereby love you |
| 13:12.18 | nevcairiel | i still hate you, though |
| 13:12.25 | cncfanatics | aww :( |
| 13:13.52 | cncfanatics | Lopeppeppy: tell nevcairiel to love me ! |
| 13:14.14 | Lukian | cncfanatics, I love you |
| 13:15.10 | cncfanatics | Lukian: I love you |
| 13:15.35 | nevcairiel | please, take a room |
| 13:15.45 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: only if you join i |
| 13:15.52 | cncfanatics | s/n i/n in/ |
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| 13:32.03 | Kalroth | don't trust nev, he isn't a hater |
| 13:32.27 | nevcairiel | Oh i am |
| 13:32.32 | nevcairiel | specially on exploiters |
| 13:32.46 | Kalroth | he's the perfect round cheerios in your breakfast, a little ring of pure joy |
| 13:32.47 | Kalroth | oh |
| 13:32.56 | Kalroth | yes, fuck them |
| 13:33.17 | Kalroth | wait, before I trash them, what's your definition of an exploiter?! |
| 13:33.34 | Kalroth | because exploits could be something positive too |
| 13:34.19 | Kalroth | eg. verb or noun? |
| 13:34.29 | cncfanatics | I'm not an exploiter :s |
| 13:34.31 | cncfanatics | wth are you wrong with |
| 13:34.34 | sancus | kalroth is such a troll |
| 13:34.43 | Kalroth | sancus: I learned by the best! |
| 13:34.53 | Kalroth | cncfanatics: yes you are, I trust nev over you! |
| 13:35.12 | Kalroth | from the best* |
| 13:35.15 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: someone mentions a new feature, you jump on ways how one could exploit it .. pretty obvious :P |
| 13:35.25 | Josh_Borke | there's a new feature? |
| 13:35.39 | cncfanatics | saving stuff server side is not *exploiting* |
| 13:35.40 | Kalroth | You can be a new feature, Josh |
| 13:35.41 | nevcairiel | Josh_Borke: macros and keybindings saved on server side |
| 13:35.49 | cncfanatics | its just an anoying side effect they probably didn't think about |
| 13:36.13 | nevcairiel | sure, whatever you say |
| 13:36.13 | Josh_Borke | meh |
| 13:36.18 | nevcairiel | i'll do something useful now |
| 13:36.18 | Josh_Borke | what's the gain? |
| 13:36.28 | cncfanatics | Josh_Borke: nothing rly |
| 13:36.29 | Josh_Borke | yea, like upgrade on ikariam! |
| 13:36.31 | Xinhuan | well there's probably going to be limitations |
| 13:36.35 | cncfanatics | except nevcairiel beating ofc :p |
| 13:36.43 | Xinhuan | such as addons not being allowed to auto save server side addons! |
| 13:36.43 | cncfanatics | and trolling |
| 13:36.48 | cncfanatics | can never have enough trollig |
| 13:37.43 | Kalroth | +local scrub = cncfanatics |
| 13:38.31 | cncfanatics | ~lart Kalroth |
| 13:38.31 | purl | nukes Kalroth with a single large nuke |
| 13:39.47 | cncfanatics | whats up with the hate today ? :p |
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| 13:40.47 | Kalroth | todays hate is friday love |
| 13:40.57 | malreth | ~hate |
| 13:40.57 | purl | Oh, you hate your job? Why didn't you say so? There's a support group for that. It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar. --Drew Carey |
| 13:41.08 | malreth | hmm... |
| 13:41.09 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:41.14 | malreth | ~factinfo hate |
| 13:41.14 | purl | hate -- created by Thunder_Child <i=Thunder_@cpe-76-171-184-46.socal.res.rr.com> at Wed Feb 13 05:51:00 2008 (156 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by malreth, 17s ago. |
| 13:41.24 | Kalroth | ~huggle malreth |
| 13:41.28 | Kalroth | what, no huggle |
| 13:41.39 | malreth | purl, hug Kalroth |
| 13:41.40 | purl | ACTION hugs Kalroth tightly until Kalroth turns slightly blue |
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| 13:43.47 | cncfanatics | ~envy purl |
| 13:44.06 | malreth | ~yuri Kalroth |
| 13:44.07 | purl | ACTION and Kalroth exchange sweet, long glances at each other amidst a background of pastel flowers and that's all that ever happens. Ever. |
| 13:44.18 | Kalroth | wow |
| 13:44.24 | malreth | i am most proud of the ~yuri and ~panchira factoids |
| 13:44.30 | malreth | the latter, most especially |
| 13:44.31 | Kalroth | that's pretty .. uhm, gay? |
| 13:44.42 | malreth | oh... sorry |
| 13:44.45 | cncfanatics | ~pachira Kalroth |
| 13:44.46 | malreth | ~yaoi Kalroth |
| 13:44.47 | purl | ACTION acts all interested in Kalroth but really it's just a whole bunch of angst with no naked payoff in the end. Figures. |
| 13:44.55 | Kalroth | Aww |
| 13:45.02 | cncfanatics | ~panchira Kalroth |
| 13:45.03 | purl | ACTION flips Kalroth's skirt up. Ooh... Flowers! |
| 13:45.06 | Kalroth | ! |
| 13:45.14 | malreth | keep going, cncfanatics |
| 13:45.21 | Kalroth | when did purl turn into an anime sex bot? |
| 13:45.32 | cncfanatics | ~factinfo panchira |
| 13:45.32 | purl | cncfanatics: there's no such factoid as panchira |
| 13:45.44 | malreth | Kalroth: ever since i learned how to do dollar variable subs with infobots |
| 13:45.44 | cncfanatics | ~factoid panchira |
| 13:45.45 | purl | ACTION gives panchira a cup of trinitrotoluene |
| 13:46.02 | malreth | ~literal cmd: panchira (.*?) |
| 13:46.03 | purl | "cmd: panchira (.*?)" is "($n): <action>flips $n's skirt up. Ooh... (White. How typical|Blue spots|Koala print|Panda print. Kawaii|Cherry print|Striped|Puppy paw print|Kitten paw print|Yellow|Blue|Pink|Black. Sexy|Flowers|Hearts. How lovely)!" |
| 13:46.37 | Fisker- | ~kiss Kalroth |
| 13:46.37 | purl | ACTION forces Kalroth to give Slackwise_ a big kiss on the lips |
| 13:46.44 | Kalroth | wtdf |
| 13:46.45 | malreth | :O |
| 13:47.02 | Kalroth | I'm not kissing no random lurker, no way I'm that slutty. |
| 13:47.14 | Fisker- | you just did :O |
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| 13:47.20 | Josh_Borke | what about a random non-lurker? |
| 13:47.26 | Kalroth | No, purl tried to force me |
| 13:47.29 | Kalroth | Josh_Borke: That's ok |
| 13:47.57 | cncfanatics | he msgs's you every time you login ? ain't he sweet |
| 13:48.14 | Kalroth | ChanServ is ok, he's always there for me |
| 13:48.56 | Kalroth | wow |
| 13:49.01 | Kalroth | this will start a nice flame war |
| 13:49.10 | Kalroth | "I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys" - Linus Torvalds |
| 13:49.11 | cncfanatics | what ? :o |
| 13:49.18 | amro | rofl |
| 13:49.31 | malreth | oh, Linus |
| 13:49.40 | Kalroth | http://news.cnet.com/Torvalds-attacks-IT-industry-security-circus/2100-1007_3-6243900.html |
| 13:49.40 | malreth | NERDFIGHT |
| 13:49.50 | cncfanatics | hedid it on purpose :p |
| 13:49.56 | Josh_Borke | no |
| 13:50.00 | Josh_Borke | the second one was on purpose |
| 13:50.07 | Josh_Borke | the first was just linus being linus |
| 13:50.17 | amro | there's another one? |
| 13:50.20 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 13:50.37 | cncfanatics | to ensure widespreading of this message: I think the diff people are a bunch of masturbating monkeys |
| 13:50.44 | cncfanatics | s/diff/digg/ |
| 13:50.59 | Kalroth | I don't use digg, I hate those kind of sites :p |
| 13:51.11 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 13:51.12 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give breser a big kiss on the lips |
| 13:51.38 | malreth | ~literal cmd: kiss (.*?) |
| 13:51.38 | purl | "cmd: kiss (.*?)" is "($1): <action> forces $1 to give $randnick a big kiss on the (lips|neck|hand|forhead|ear)" |
| 13:51.38 | Josh_Borke | purl, kiss Kalroth |
| 13:51.39 | purl | ACTION forces Kalroth to give subu a big kiss on the forhead |
| 13:52.00 | Josh_Borke | purl, hug Kalroth |
| 13:52.01 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Kalroth |
| 13:52.06 | Kalroth | <3 |
| 13:52.11 | Josh_Borke | ~literal cmd: hug (.*?) |
| 13:52.12 | purl | "cmd: hug (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (gets a running start and tackle-hugs $1 | hugs $1 | jumps into $1's lap and huggles and *hugs* $1 | hugs $1 tightly until $1 turns slightly blue | sneaks up on $1 and suddenly hugs $1 tightly)" |
| 13:52.15 | cncfanatics | aww, I want hugs too :'( |
| 13:52.23 | malreth | ~rub cncfanatics |
| 13:52.24 | purl | ACTION massages cncfanatics's shoulders. |
| 13:52.26 | Josh_Borke | ooo, i haven't gotten the last one |
| 13:52.33 | Kalroth | ~kick cncfanatics |
| 13:52.33 | purl | ACTION kicks cncfanatics |
| 13:53.29 | cncfanatics | ouch ! |
| 13:54.02 | Lopeppeppy | What, this is the S&M channel this morning? :P |
| 13:54.23 | cncfanatics | Lopeppeppy: yes, join in ! |
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| 13:54.50 | Lopeppeppy | K no thanks. |
| 13:54.59 | cncfanatics | :( |
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| 13:57.25 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, thank you malreth. That applies well enough, but I'm feeling too fragile for anything hard core this morning. |
| 13:57.52 | malreth | raaaaaaiiin... boooooooow |
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| 14:20.31 | malreth | beta patch notes are an interesting read |
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| 14:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | I just discovered that my ex canceled my official blizz-enabled email address account. I sure hope that beta invites didn't go out and wind up in limbo. |
| 14:21.53 | malreth | ~rub ex |
| 14:21.54 | purl | ACTION grinds against ex's leg. |
| 14:22.00 | malreth | ewww... |
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| 14:22.44 | Lopeppeppy | Works for me. Hope he gets leg rot. Grrr. |
| 14:22.51 | Lopeppeppy | I was having a good day today, too. |
| 14:23.00 | malreth | yesterday sucked for me |
| 14:23.08 | malreth | i'm hoping today works out much better |
| 14:23.19 | malreth | because, hey... it's fucking friday |
| 14:23.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh.... no, wait, it must be some other kind of Friday for us New Yorkers, 'cause it's not that kind for me! |
| 14:24.19 | malreth | sex is overrated |
| 14:24.31 | malreth | build a house instead |
| 14:24.34 | malreth | it lasts longer |
| 14:24.35 | Shirik | does anyone know who questhelper is made by? |
| 14:24.44 | malreth | Shirik: a team of three people, i believe |
| 14:24.54 | Shirik | do you happen to know those names? |
| 14:24.59 | malreth | yes |
| 14:25.00 | nevcairiel | smariot is one, iirc |
| 14:25.02 | malreth | wait... |
| 14:25.02 | malreth | no |
| 14:25.26 | Shirik | trying to figure out if this was uploaded by the team or not :P |
| 14:25.36 | malreth | http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/quest-helper/ |
| 14:25.42 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik -- I think you were one of the people recommending a Garmin GPS to me? I bought one yesterday. Best.... toy... EVER. |
| 14:25.49 | malreth | vipersniper and nesher and smariot |
| 14:25.53 | Shirik | yes I was :) |
| 14:25.55 | Shirik | and glad you like it |
| 14:26.00 | Shirik | thanks malreth |
| 14:26.15 | nevcairiel | ~lart malreth |
| 14:26.15 | purl | stamps malreth on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
| 14:26.20 | malreth | smariot is the project leader |
| 14:26.22 | Lopeppeppy | I test drove it around to dinner and friend's house, deliberately took a bunch of wrong turns to see how she reacts.... OMG. Brilliant. |
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| 14:26.28 | malreth | how appropriate |
| 14:26.57 | Shirik | I had to put on the aussie lady though |
| 14:27.04 | cncfanatics | Lopeppeppy: I supose it reconfigured and calculated a new route ? :p |
| 14:27.05 | Shirik | I can't stand how the US lady pronounces things |
| 14:27.16 | Lopeppeppy | I need a different voice for sure, she's so pissy when she says, "Rerouting". |
| 14:27.17 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8673697&st=garmin+nuvi&type=product&id=1197678339883 |
| 14:27.48 | Shirik | Garmin uses the same OS I use too :D |
| 14:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | cncfanatics: First she tried to direct me back to the highway, when I got off on the wrong exit. Then, when I kept going wrong, she found me the secondary road parallel to the highway until the next exit. She was awesome. |
| 14:28.00 | Fisker- | wut Shirik ? :o |
| 14:28.22 | Shirik | funny thing is Lopeppeppy |
| 14:28.38 | Shirik | My dad drives frequently up to my grandparents' house on this one route that takes about 5 hours |
| 14:28.47 | Shirik | Last time I went up there, it found a 3:30 route |
| 14:29.01 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:29.02 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. Share with your dad? |
| 14:29.07 | Shirik | I did, he wouldn't listen |
| 14:29.15 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* Old codgers. |
| 14:29.16 | malreth | ah... dads |
| 14:29.38 | Shirik | and, if your AI is anything like mine, it actually watches the time/traffic too |
| 14:29.56 | Shirik | for example, when going down to florida from VA, it realizes that richmond is in the way on I-95 |
| 14:30.03 | malreth | the character from The Big Lebowski, Walter Sobchak reminds me of my dad almost exactly |
| 14:30.16 | Shirik | and if you're going to hit rush hour traffic, it will take you on 295 around it, but if you're not at a time where there will be traffic, it will send you right through (since it's faster) |
| 14:30.21 | Shirik | so it's pretty intelligent |
| 14:30.44 | malreth | http://www.ateabutnoe.com/uploaded_images/sobchak-781317.jpg |
| 14:31.07 | cncfanatics | Shirik: are those shiny features US only ? |
| 14:31.14 | Shirik | not a clue |
| 14:31.35 | bleeter | hey, how do you figure out avoidance? |
| 14:31.44 | bleeter | *if he's not returning your calls, he's avoiding you* |
| 14:32.00 | Fisker- | ~kiss bleeter |
| 14:32.01 | purl | ACTION forces bleeter to give laeg a big kiss on the lips |
| 14:32.27 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202650636&postId=82016025347&sid=1#4 |
| 14:35.21 | Dark_Elf | i bet that dude who was braggin about using wowmatrix is having fun downloading addons now, since all those libraries got updated yesterday lol |
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| 14:38.57 | Lopeppeppy | WowMatrix is the bastard son of a twisted mind. *sigh* |
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| 14:40.24 | bleeter | lordy, I'd hate to here what you thought of a concept I have for something similar-ish :P |
| 14:40.29 | bleeter | *hear |
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| 14:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yoinking addons without permission? I'd beat you with a pickled herring. |
| 14:45.57 | foxlit | 1. Hash every .toc file you can get your hands on. 2. ??? 3. Profit! |
| 14:47.24 | foxlit | http://www.drhorrible.com/act_II.html |
| 14:47.43 | Lopeppeppy | Dr. Horrible rules. |
| 14:48.02 | foxlit | Need an RSS feed, those people do :) |
| 14:48.21 | selckin | i think its horrible :\ |
| 14:48.24 | selckin | do i just not get it |
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| 14:48.43 | foxlit | I don't think that's it |
| 14:49.09 | foxlit | There's nothing not obvious to get -- it's just the general style that you may not like |
| 14:50.00 | malreth | selckin: it's an experiment to see if there is a market for independently produced, low budget/high value entertainment on the internet |
| 14:50.31 | malreth | like what Radiohead and Trent Reznor are trying to do with music |
| 14:50.46 | malreth | Joss Whedon wants to know if that can be done for video as well |
| 14:50.52 | Shirik | that's pretty good foxlit :/ |
| 14:51.20 | malreth | of course, if you don't like musicals or off-brand humor, then it's probably not your cup of tea |
| 14:51.58 | bleeter | maybe if Mr Whedon wants to know, he should check out what some Aussie broadcasters are doing =)) |
| 14:52.00 | Shirik | foxlit: Are they professionals or? |
| 14:52.06 | malreth | i can't help but think that there was some Ben Edlund influences in Dr. Horrible |
| 14:52.07 | Shirik | Because that's really good quality of production |
| 14:52.16 | bleeter | then again, maybe he's just trying to find out if there's a market for HIS stuff ;) |
| 14:52.41 | foxlit | Shirik: don't know, look up people listed in the footer and see :) |
| 14:52.59 | malreth | Shirik: you not know who Joss Whedon is? |
| 14:53.06 | Shirik | ok |
| 14:53.15 | Shirik | I barely know who anna kornikova is, and I can't spell her name |
| 14:53.23 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik love, you are SO uncultured. |
| 14:53.24 | Shirik | I don't watch movies |
| 14:53.40 | Shirik | Though I was forced to go see wanted last week |
| 14:53.42 | selckin | josh whedon is god, but drhorrible is just horrible |
| 14:53.47 | foxlit | "I've got a Ph.d. in horribleness!" |
| 14:54.05 | malreth | "The hammer... is my penis." |
| 14:54.07 | foxlit | That needs a t-shirt |
| 14:54.27 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, Shirik. Tell me you have outdoor hobbies? |
| 14:54.33 | Shirik | I played baseball :/ |
| 14:54.47 | malreth | Shirik drives trucks and eats steaks made out of trucks. |
| 14:55.00 | Shirik | Now I just golf but um, most people think that makes me old |
| 14:55.08 | malreth | and boring |
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| 14:55.33 | malreth | the trucks/steaks/trucksteaks hobby is much more exciting |
| 14:55.52 | Shirik | wtf is a trucksteak |
| 14:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | Golfing is outside. You're forgiven for not being a movie hound. *hug* |
| 14:56.41 | Shirik | golfing is the only reason I'm not albino |
| 14:57.09 | malreth | or translucent |
| 14:57.11 | Shirik | well, that and my parking lot is all the way across campus |
| 14:57.27 | Lopeppeppy | Darlin'. More sun, less "fun" |
| 14:59.41 | Fisker- | http://i36.tinypic.com/10dbn28.png <-gotta be filled with madness to do that one |
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| 15:00.44 | malreth | B |
| 15:00.52 | malreth | BABY SEAL CLUB!!! |
| 15:02.03 | Hjalte | What happens if you already did all the quests in Hellfire Peninsula, will it then still count on the achievements page? |
| 15:02.15 | Shirik | and now I'm going to go outside for 5 minutes to go get the mail |
| 15:02.17 | Shirik | yay sun |
| 15:02.42 | Fisker- | how industrious of you Shirik |
| 15:02.54 | foxlit | Hjalte: troactive! :) |
| 15:03.11 | foxlit | 0/10000 on the progress bar, though |
| 15:03.20 | bleeter | omg ima gunna get that club |
| 15:03.28 | foxlit | Use: club it. |
| 15:03.29 | bleeter | my first thing I'll ever go for =)) |
| 15:03.52 | bleeter | (I think if you go hunting around suggestions, you'll find a post of mine begging for a baby seal club) |
| 15:04.09 | Fisker- | sue them for stealing your idea |
| 15:05.03 | bleeter | Blizz: HOW DARE YOU STEAL MY SUGGESTION FROM YOUR SUGGESTION SUBMISSION FORUM TEH HORRORZ!!! |
| 15:05.04 | malreth | the club model should be in the shape of a baby seal |
| 15:05.12 | bleeter | lol would be good |
| 15:06.04 | malreth | it's not likely to go live |
| 15:06.18 | malreth | lawyers get nervous at stuff like that |
| 15:06.34 | malreth | so i wouldn't be surprised if the <NYI> never goes away |
| 15:06.44 | bleeter | NYI? |
| 15:06.45 | Fisker- | Not to mention that they actually renamed a guild called "Seal Cub Clubbers Club" to "Orgrimmar Dustbin Collectors" |
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| 15:06.53 | Fisker- | Not Yet In |
| 15:06.53 | malreth | purl, nyi is not yet implemented |
| 15:06.54 | purl | okay, malreth |
| 15:07.08 | Fisker- | or implemented if you want it that way :P |
| 15:07.22 | Shirik | implemented :) |
| 15:09.26 | bleeter | well, I better get a dang beta invite now, then |
| 15:09.52 | bleeter | coz if I don't get a chance to even look at it, NYI or otherwise, I'll.. I'll... do something |
| 15:10.03 | bleeter | like |
| 15:10.04 | bleeter | WAAAA |
| 15:10.45 | sancus | http:///sancus.off.net/wotlk |
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| 15:12.26 | Fisker- | wtf is glyphs sancus ? |
| 15:12.42 | foxlit | Praised be Google, the enabler of piracy! :) |
| 15:13.13 | sancus | Fisker_: inscription interface probably |
| 15:13.32 | Fisker- | thought they were put on individual spells |
| 15:14.12 | Fisker- | good job at the red qiraji crystal of course :D |
| 15:14.47 | Diskmaster | y |
| 15:14.54 | Fisker- | http://sancus.off.net/wotlk/dalaran_pet_supply.jpg <-REPORTED OMG |
| 15:15.18 | sancus | lol |
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| 15:21.31 | cog|work | has anyone posted a ui extraction from beta yet? |
| 15:21.33 | foxlit | region restrictions on itunes stores suck :( |
| 15:21.59 | ckknight_ | cog|work: http://sancus.off.net/wotlk/FrameXML.zip |
| 15:22.01 | Fisker- | s/region restrictions on // |
| 15:22.12 | Fisker- | cog|work ! |
| 15:22.18 | Fisker- | purl told me to kiss you |
| 15:22.42 | cog|work | ckknight_: ty |
| 15:23.24 | cog|work | ok... now what about the bizzard addons >< |
| 15:23.29 | cog|work | s/bi/bli/ |
| 15:25.46 | Fisker- | give me a second |
| 15:25.56 | Fisker- | and i'll rapidshit it |
| 15:26.50 | Fisker- | http://rapidshare.com/files/130655916/AddOns.zip.html |
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| 15:28.54 | Guest8180 | o hai, y not cosmos work |
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| 15:29.04 | amro | lol |
| 15:29.25 | amro | hostmask gave you away anyway |
| 15:29.32 | Shirik | yeah :< |
| 15:29.49 | Fisker- | cog|work |
| 15:29.51 | Fisker- | HOW INTERESTING |
| 15:29.53 | Fisker- | that tokenui |
| 15:29.54 | Fisker- | amirite? |
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| 15:33.12 | cog|work | ...yes? |
| 15:34.07 | Fisker- | tell me what it is ;_; |
| 15:34.17 | Fisker- | ui to keep track of badges of justice, etc? |
| 15:34.33 | cog|work | looks to be... |
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| 15:35.23 | durcyn | no, Tokenui is a town in new zealand, Fisker-. |
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| 15:42.30 | Guest6969 | Y NO COSMOS????!!!! |
| 15:42.46 | bleeter | Guestsee, that's how you do it shirik, if you don't want folks to get the hostmask :P |
| 15:43.05 | Shirik | oh that's not cool |
| 15:43.08 | Shirik | stupid tor |
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| 15:55.02 | bleeter | heh, it was something I'd been meaning to set up in my pidgin for some time, for random terroisation purposes such as that which recently transpired and I so badly contributed to by being so late and then typoing stuff >< |
| 15:55.48 | Shirik | so my character has reached the point where I think intellect is more valuable than spirit... |
| 15:56.08 | Shirik | a point of intellect is giving me more mp5 than a point of spirit, because I have so much spirit |
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| 15:56.36 | Lopeppeppy | Then get yourself some intellect, dear. |
| 15:57.16 | bleeter | yeahj, you need to be smarter Shirik, that's fer sure ;) :P |
| 15:57.20 | Shirik | :< |
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| 16:07.52 | Industrial | meh |
| 16:07.55 | Industrial | all i do now in av |
| 16:08.02 | Industrial | is make sure towers go down before the end |
| 16:08.11 | Industrial | and that still gives me more honor then another bg |
| 16:08.14 | Industrial | I afk for the rest :P |
| 16:08.18 | Industrial | or, play another game ;) |
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| 16:08.54 | Industrial | or put autorun on once in a while :p |
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| 16:13.23 | Cairenn | lol, before anyone else comments - my power went out at some point while I was asleep, that's why I was off-line |
| 16:13.42 | selckin | ups ! |
| 16:14.25 | Cairenn | given that it was a major thunderstorm that knocked the power out, I'm not all that upset about the fact that my computer was off |
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| 16:17.27 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad you slept in! |
| 16:17.38 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: :) |
| 16:19.27 | nevcairiel | I'm confused. I've two tabs of WoW Forums open, one is wotlk beta and one is US official, both appear to have the same url ( http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/ ) |
| 16:19.29 | nevcairiel | wtf is going on :D |
| 16:19.55 | Vangual | different sid |
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| 16:20.35 | nevcairiel | I figured as much, but from the "default" forums, i cant reach the sid of the wotlk version |
| 16:21.27 | Vangual | that sounds like a leftover from when the sid was locked to alphatesters only? |
| 16:21.52 | nevcairiel | probably |
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| 16:22.46 | zespri_home | how do I get a varaible by name in run time? |
| 16:23.31 | malreth | zespri_home: a global variable? |
| 16:23.38 | zespri_home | yes |
| 16:23.54 | nevcairiel | _G["name"] |
| 16:23.57 | alestane | name or _G["name"] or _G.name. |
| 16:24.25 | zespri_home | thank you. what if name is multy-part? |
| 16:24.33 | ckknight | Holy birthday cake, Batman! |
| 16:24.38 | nevcairiel | _G[part1..part2] |
| 16:24.40 | alestane | Give an example? |
| 16:24.47 | zespri_home | Like Module.Function |
| 16:25.03 | alestane | _G.Module.Function |
| 16:25.34 | alestane | or _G["Module"]["Function"] |
| 16:25.35 | zespri_home | no, in run time. this wouldn't compile if Module and Function are not defined yet |
| 16:25.38 | zespri_home | right |
| 16:25.40 | zespri_home | thanks |
| 16:26.15 | alestane | That's not true in Lua. Only bad syntax can prevent your code from compiling. |
| 16:26.34 | malreth | ^ |
| 16:26.36 | nevcairiel | It can prevent it from executing, though |
| 16:27.04 | alestane | If you call a function that is not defined yet, you will not get an error until runtime, when you get a "attempt to call global 'name' (a nil value)" error. |
| 16:27.25 | malreth | if you are dereferencing _G to access globals that you've yourself defined elsewhere in your code, then you've done something wrong |
| 16:27.45 | zespri_home | when you execute statement like function a() bla end the body of the function gets compiled. this is what I'm refering to as compiling |
| 16:27.53 | alestane | All non-keyword tokens are assumed to be global variable references unless there is a local variable of that name in scope. |
| 16:28.29 | alestane | A closure gets created when you execute that statement. The contents are technically already compiled. |
| 16:29.31 | zespri_home | it's not already compiled. it's compiled when you execute that statement |
| 16:29.42 | cog|work | zespri_home: no |
| 16:29.45 | cog|work | the closure is created |
| 16:29.57 | malreth | no... it's compiled as soon as WoW loads your lua file |
| 16:29.57 | cog|work | it had already been compiled when the file was first loaded |
| 16:29.58 | Seerah | Cairenn slept in, I slept in...... good day :) |
| 16:30.07 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:30.09 | Seerah | and I want some cake, ckk :( |
| 16:30.17 | ckknight | I want pie! |
| 16:30.24 | ckknight | mm... pie |
| 16:30.24 | nevcairiel | only time when you get "compile during runtime" is when you use loadstring() |
| 16:30.25 | Seerah | you said birthday cake! |
| 16:30.28 | ckknight | aw, I don't get huggles? |
| 16:30.31 | zespri_home | loading lua file means executing it, yes, no? |
| 16:30.39 | cog|work | zespri_home: no |
| 16:30.40 | ckknight | yays |
| 16:30.41 | alestane | zespri_home: Yes. |
| 16:30.45 | cog|work | well sorta |
| 16:30.45 | zespri_home | lol |
| 16:30.51 | alestane | Well, in WoW it does. |
| 16:30.54 | cog|work | it's loaded, compiled, then executed |
| 16:30.55 | Amarande | bah, how do you guys manage to find wives who play WoW? :) |
| 16:30.59 | alestane | Not fundamentally in Lua. |
| 16:31.12 | Amarande | all the evidence I can ever find points to the fact that 1) WoW keeps me happy, but 2) WoW also keeps me single :S |
| 16:31.24 | nevcairiel | Isnt being happy all you need? |
| 16:31.32 | Seerah | I'm a wife that plays wow |
| 16:31.37 | alestane | I believe that WoW always executes each Lua file after compiling it. |
| 16:31.37 | Amarande | well, yeah, but one always looks for higher grades of happy :) |
| 16:31.42 | ckknight | Amarande: find one who plays wow before you start dating |
| 16:31.45 | malreth | my fiancee plays wow |
| 16:31.50 | cog|work | Amarande: my wife wanted wow as soon as she saw me playing it |
| 16:31.59 | foxlit | /1 LF wife? |
| 16:32.01 | Seerah | my hubby got me hooked back in beta |
| 16:32.05 | foxlit | Just don't do that in barrens |
| 16:32.12 | malreth | lol |
| 16:32.15 | Amarande | I mean, otherwise you'd finish getting your kara gear and then why would you bother going for T5 or T6, after all, SHINY EPIX MAKE ONE HAPPY lol |
| 16:32.26 | Seerah | lol foxlit |
| 16:32.30 | Amarande | especially given how much of a ridiculous pain in the ass raiding can be LOL |
| 16:32.40 | Amarande | -especially- BC raiding |
| 16:32.49 | cog|work | Amarande: trust me... looking for a gamer girlfriend is FAR easier than looking for a programmer girlfriend |
| 16:32.54 | Amarande | classic raiding was always better :) |
| 16:32.55 | cog|work | count your blessings imo ;) |
| 16:33.06 | Amarande | fox: someone actually did that in trade on Quel'dorei yesterday |
| 16:33.12 | Amarande | he got roasted by the other denizens of trade lol |
| 16:33.19 | Amarande | and this was on HORDE |
| 16:33.24 | Amarande | usually it's alliance who are asses, right? |
| 16:33.35 | nevcairiel | nah horde |
| 16:33.36 | Lopeppeppy | cogwork, I'm in training to be a programmer girlfriend... I'm already Geek and Gamer compliant! |
| 16:33.46 | selckin | they're all humans behind the keyboard |
| 16:33.52 | selckin | they all qualify |
| 16:34.03 | Amarande | lol, alliance are probably mostly too little to understand what a relationship is all about anyway :P |
| 16:34.13 | Amarande | I only really know a few adults who play alliance |
| 16:34.17 | Seerah | I'm a gnome, amarande |
| 16:34.26 | Lopeppeppy | So am I. |
| 16:34.27 | kd3 | <--gnome |
| 16:34.48 | Amarande | Seerah: unfortunately for Cairenn especially ... that means I'm going to have to squish you like a bug |
| 16:34.48 | nevcairiel | I know alot of idiots on both factions, grown ups and childs alike |
| 16:34.48 | malreth | lua> function f() return g()*2 end; function g() return 14 end; print(f(x)) |
| 16:34.48 | lua_bot | malreth: 28 |
| 16:34.49 | Amarande | 16 consecutive losses in Alterac Valley have given me nothing but contempt for gnomes |
| 16:34.57 | Amarande | especially since I think most of the times my prot pally has died have been to gnomes |
| 16:35.08 | Seerah | Amarande: I think I have protection |
| 16:35.32 | malreth | zespri_home: why do you ask, specifically? whatcha working on? |
| 16:36.26 | zespri_home | marleth, I've already found out everything that I needed, thank you for your help |
| 16:37.33 | malreth | well, I've found it's often the case that people using _G to reference globals often do it for the wrong reasons |
| 16:38.04 | malreth | well, maybe not *often* |
| 16:38.15 | Fisker- | ~kiss Lopeppeppy |
| 16:38.15 | purl | ACTION forces Lopeppeppy to give durcyn a big kiss on the ear |
| 16:38.21 | Amarande | Seerah: and I really only have to lose 34 more AV |
| 16:38.28 | malreth | this channel has been full of love today |
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| 16:38.35 | ckknight | malreth: I mostly do it in order to realize what is a global and what isn't |
| 16:38.36 | Lopeppeppy | Ears aren't my things. |
| 16:39.02 | malreth | perhaps i would say *often* in the case of people new to scripting in Lua |
| 16:39.58 | Josh_Borke | malreth: obviously _G is far faster than getglobal |
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| 16:40.57 | malreth | yes... but I've seen people use _G to reference their own globals |
| 16:41.16 | malreth | _G["foo"] when they can just use foo |
| 16:41.57 | Amarande | anyway, there's this part of me lately that tells me that I'm 28, I'll be 29 in November, and probably I should be looking to find that right woman and pair off. :) |
| 16:42.15 | malreth | Amarande: you're over 24... give up. you're unmarriable now |
| 16:42.43 | Amarande | besides, considerably less sterling examples of humanity manage to find love easier than I do :| |
| 16:42.56 | malreth | it's a life of bachelorhood and one-night-stands for you |
| 16:43.19 | malreth | you'll just have to be happy with crazy, wild, and frequent non-commital sex |
| 16:43.23 | Amarande | lol |
| 16:43.36 | malreth | p.s.: go to the gym |
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| 16:45.07 | malreth | cynical runs in my family |
| 16:45.11 | malreth | we have a gene for it |
| 16:45.15 | malreth | 5, in fact |
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| 16:45.50 | Amarande | lol |
| 16:45.56 | Amarande | ok, on a more irritating now |
| 16:45.58 | Amarande | er, note |
| 16:46.12 | Amarande | am I correct in surmising that it is impossible to fully quest BRD without making at least three trips through the dungeon? |
| 16:46.21 | Amarande | as horde, that is |
| 16:47.24 | malreth | i don't think anyone here actually *plays* World of Warcraft |
| 16:47.38 | nevcairiel | not as horde |
| 16:47.40 | nevcairiel | anyway |
| 16:47.40 | Industrial | -_^ |
| 16:47.46 | Industrial | yah right :P |
| 16:47.52 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, no one. |
| 16:48.04 | Industrial | you looking for trouble nevcairiel ? |
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| 16:48.07 | Industrial | :D |
| 16:48.13 | nevcairiel | With you? Bring it on! |
| 16:48.19 | Industrial | haha |
| 16:48.21 | MoonWolf | i play! |
| 16:48.28 | malreth | ~rub MoonWolf |
| 16:48.29 | purl | ACTION grinds against MoonWolf's leg. |
| 16:48.49 | malreth | purl's been on a rampage today |
| 16:48.56 | malreth | kissing and hugging and grinding |
| 16:49.19 | MoonWolf | ~whalecrit Amarande |
| 16:49.20 | purl | ACTION crits Amarande with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Amarande dies |
| 16:49.34 | Lopeppeppy | Twitterpation. |
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| 16:50.13 | malreth | actually, i think tweet is the verb... |
| 16:50.15 | malreth | eh |
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| 16:50.43 | Lopeppeppy | For what we do, yes, tweet is the proper verb, whether it is properly used as a verb-form or not. |
| 16:50.59 | Amarande | purl: I'm a prot pally, what makes you think I'm so easy to kill? :) |
| 16:51.33 | kamdis | amarande, I've never been able to gt all BRD done in < 3 runs |
| 16:51.39 | kamdis | and I play horde |
| 16:51.52 | Keias | I don't even do BRD, since I"m horde. |
| 16:51.57 | Amarande | it actually looks like 3 is minimum |
| 16:52.00 | kamdis | fair point |
| 16:52.16 | Amarande | since there are three separate quests in a chain that starts at the wanted poster in Kargath, each of which requires a different trip |
| 16:52.17 | alestane | Amarande: 2, I believe, if you have people who will be patient. |
| 16:52.19 | Arrowmaster | if you exit and come back you might be able to do it in less |
| 16:52.26 | alestane | Oh, 3 for horde? |
| 16:52.44 | Amarande | [52] KILL ON SIGHT: Dark Iron Dwarves |
| 16:52.49 | Amarande | [54] KILL ON SIGHT: High Ranking Dark Iron Officials |
| 16:52.54 | Amarande | [58] Operation: Death to Angerforge |
| 16:53.00 | Amarande | think all of these have to be done on separate trips |
| 16:53.31 | Arrowmaster | no you just have to be really great at planing |
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| 16:53.57 | wereHamster | BRD is a fun instance. I used to do in in a group of three, me and two friends. Was heaps of fun |
| 16:54.03 | Arrowmaster | since some of thsoe mobs are easy as fuck to find and others theres like 5 in the entire instance |
| 16:59.21 | Diskmaster | I missed out on BRD when I played. |
| 16:59.42 | Amarande | I am an Old World loyalist |
| 16:59.55 | Amarande | I tend to heavily delay going to Outland lately |
| 17:01.00 | kamdis | MVP status doesn't carry over to beta forums? |
| 17:01.13 | kd3 | we're on different accounts on the beta |
| 17:01.17 | kamdis | oh right |
| 17:01.19 | kamdis | heh |
| 17:01.34 | kamdis | I saw a post from cog and was all confuzzled |
| 17:01.58 | Fisker- | i thought it was your account that was flagged mvp and not an ew account |
| 17:05.04 | Amarande | so, now that beta's out ... is there an estimated release date for the final? |
| 17:05.11 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:05.19 | kamdis | "Soon" |
| 17:05.26 | nevcairiel | When its done |
| 17:05.26 | Fisker- | Yesterday |
| 17:05.30 | nevcairiel | not yet at "soon" :P |
| 17:05.31 | Fisker- | When DNF is done |
| 17:06.31 | Amarande | You mean Soon(R)? |
| 17:08.14 | kamdis | Ah, "soon" is always the answer imo. |
| 17:08.20 | kamdis | could be months. |
| 17:08.31 | kamdis | (and in this case will be) |
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| 17:10.25 | Amarande | any word yet on whether we have to buy new flying mounts to have them work in Northrend, or do we just need the level? |
| 17:10.40 | kd3 | forum posts suggest they'll just work at 77 |
| 17:12.21 | Amarande | ahh ... so that means I will still be visiting TK at some point, even if at 80. :) |
| 17:12.54 | Dashkal | I so hope they leave that pet in. The ZA bear I get, but leave the firebird |
| 17:12.58 | Dashkal | erm, mount |
| 17:13.13 | Amarande | I don't see any reason why they'd take out Ashes of Al'ar |
| 17:13.16 | Wikwocket | I doubt they'd remove Ashes of Alar, it's still very rare |
| 17:13.20 | Amarande | some folks still do ZG for the mounts there, why would TK be any different? |
| 17:13.30 | Wikwocket | wheras the bear mount is guaranteed, and an easy farm for 80's |
| 17:13.35 | Dashkal | well, ZG is losing the bear once the level cap raises. |
| 17:13.39 | Dashkal | which fits |
| 17:13.47 | Amarande | where's it going? ZA? |
| 17:13.51 | Dashkal | erm, ZA |
| 17:13.57 | Dashkal | ~fail Dashkal |
| 17:13.58 | purl | Dashkal, you Fail! |
| 17:14.10 | Amarande | why are they taking mounts out, anyway? |
| 17:14.21 | Amarande | I've heard rumor they're going to take out the exalted rep mounts from 70 too |
| 17:14.25 | Dashkal | the ZA mount (alone) is being removed since it'll be trivial for an 80 to get it |
| 17:14.27 | Industrial | cause then everyone who has it in wotlk can boost about it |
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| 17:14.37 | Amarande | and force us to settle for either a NR mount or a plain wind rider |
| 17:14.38 | Industrial | fuckers :P |
| 17:14.47 | Amarande | I don't know if that much is true though |
| 17:14.58 | Dashkal | So if you want that particular skin of bear, get cracking :p |
| 17:15.07 | Wikwocket | I doubt they'd remove exalted mounts... they will be harder to get in wotlk since no one will be grinding those reps |
| 17:15.12 | malreth | same thing with some of the titles, i believe |
| 17:15.17 | Dashkal | Not like we don't have more than enough time to get it (or just farm up the gold and buy it from an advanced guild) |
| 17:15.17 | malreth | like hand of a'dal |
| 17:15.21 | Amarande | but I don't get why they'd keep the 60 mounts in and take out the 70s |
| 17:15.23 | malreth | and champion of the naruu |
| 17:15.37 | Amarande | What I've heard is that A'dal and Naaru titles can only be gotten at 70 |
| 17:15.45 | Amarande | but I'm not sure of their fate after Wrath is out |
| 17:15.47 | Dashkal | Amarande: They're leaveong almost all mounts in. I'm just being paranoid about Alar. |
| 17:16.01 | Dashkal | It's _only_ the ZA bear mount that's going, since it's a reward for a difficult timed event |
| 17:16.03 | Amarande | i.e., whether they'll be taken out entirely, or whether you just have to complete the chains before you ding 71 |
| 17:16.12 | Wikwocket | Well the bear mount is special, it is a status symbol. All the others are, look I won a roll when a 1-in-a-1000 drop happened. |
| 17:16.22 | malreth | i doubt they'd remove alar since it was put into the game for a specific reason |
| 17:16.23 | Amarande | which won't be so bad if you're a good way through the chains since if ExperienceFu is right, it will take about 1.2 MILLION experience to go from 70 to 71 |
| 17:16.39 | Dashkal | Amarande: The titles will probably stay, and will almost certainly reward a "Feat of Strength" in the new achievements system |
| 17:16.57 | Amarande | Dash: can you still earn them as long as you're careful not to ding 71 before you do so? |
| 17:17.03 | kd3 | lmfao... "Tuskarrmageddon". Mindlessly slaughter 1,000,000 Tuskarr. Reward: Baby Seal Club |
| 17:17.11 | Dashkal | Amarande: That has not been confirmed or denied yet. I bet is on no |
| 17:17.15 | Industrial | kd3: lmao |
| 17:17.31 | Dashkal | My bet is that it'll be impossible to find once WotLK launches |
| 17:17.43 | Dashkal | s/find/get the title/ |
| 17:17.45 | NightHawkAtWork | kd3: hah |
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| 17:17.56 | Amarande | you know what this achievements system reminds me of btw? |
| 17:17.59 | Amarande | I keep thinking of GW |
| 17:18.12 | malreth | Amarande: especially since you could stay lv 70 and get 4 other lv 80s and easily get the titles that way |
| 17:18.14 | Amarande | wondering how long before people will end up earning titles to boast of being WoW's equivalent of KOABD etc. |
| 17:18.42 | NightHawkAtWork | Is there any point to the achievements aside from status of having done them? |
| 17:18.48 | malreth | none |
| 17:18.57 | NightHawkAtWork | cool |
| 17:19.02 | Amarande | well, according to the wow site, one of them will let you change your hair |
| 17:19.04 | malreth | it's purely for the Achiever Bartle archetype |
| 17:19.23 | Dashkal | I'd like to ignore them since they really mean nothing in terms of character progression... but my OCD says the explorer titles will be mine |
| 17:19.34 | Amarande | I'll HAVE to get the explorer titles |
| 17:19.41 | Amarande | the titles I found most fun to do in GW were the cartographer ones |
| 17:19.51 | Amarande | and the way WoW's discovery system works, this will be better |
| 17:20.21 | Amarande | since you just have to discover all areas ... in GW Grandmaster Cartographer should have been "I Married the Wall" |
| 17:21.40 | Dashkal | I'm going to have to do some serious old world running once that goes live |
| 17:21.47 | Dashkal | So many subzones I've never been in |
| 17:21.59 | Dashkal | I should probably get on that ahead of time to save some work |
| 17:22.01 | Wikwocket | NightHawkAtWork: some achievements may award cosmetic items or mini pets |
| 17:22.04 | kd3 | rofl. knew there'd be one... |
| 17:22.15 | kd3 | "The Cake Is Not A Lie: Bake a delicious chocolate cake." |
| 17:22.21 | Wikwocket | ... |
| 17:22.44 | kd3 | my gods, they're just punishing us OCDers |
| 17:23.07 | Dashkal | I did that quest over and over until I got that damn recipie |
| 17:23.16 | kd3 | need to start getting a list together for the wiki |
| 17:23.20 | malreth | that was the first recipe i got when i did that daily |
| 17:23.41 | Dashkal | malreth: I hate you so much |
| 17:23.48 | Dashkal | I was at it for a good month and a half |
| 17:23.55 | malreth | one of the green fish ones took the longest |
| 17:24.35 | Amarande | my problem is I'm going to have to disable one of my favorite addons to get the explorer title |
| 17:24.49 | Amarande | with Cartographer active I have no way of seeing what areas I haven't officially obtained |
| 17:25.13 | Dashkal | Amarande: fiddle with the 'foglight' module |
| 17:25.31 | Dashkal | Either turn it off or change the color |
| 17:25.49 | Elkano | yeah, you can change the color/alpha of the unvisited regions |
| 17:28.09 | Wikwocket | I wonder how strict the explorer titles will be... there are so many mini subzones that don't show foglight |
| 17:28.28 | Wikwocket | I still occaisionally discover new subareas on my main in zones I've been through 1000 times |
| 17:28.46 | Dashkal | At a guess: ones that give XP |
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| 17:29.39 | Amarande | 600ms lag ftw. |
| 17:30.10 | Amarande | Wikwocket: it can't be as bad as Guild Wars at any rate |
| 17:30.13 | Dashkal | heh, until you've played an FPS at 5000ms lag, you haven't seen lag :p |
| 17:30.24 | Amarande | in GW you had to basically hump the walls to get grandmaster cartog |
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| 17:50.55 | malreth | i've come to realize i'm much wittier in text than in person |
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| 17:52.45 | malreth | doh |
| 17:52.51 | malreth | ~fail me |
| 17:52.52 | purl | malreth, you Fail! |
| 17:52.55 | malreth | i do |
| 17:52.58 | Lunessa | ... do I dare Station? |
| 17:53.28 | malreth | relog, Lunessa |
| 17:53.44 | Lunessa | To feed your twisted ego? |
| 17:53.49 | malreth | :( |
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| 17:54.12 | cog|work | ~epicfail malreth |
| 17:54.15 | Lunessa | ~fail malreth |
| 17:54.16 | purl | malreth: FAIL! |
| 17:55.51 | Lunessa | For a while, on my whiteboard I had [Fail] written in purple. |
| 17:56.46 | malreth | how do you clear an onjoin? |
| 17:57.39 | malreth | figured it out |
| 17:57.41 | Fisker- | ~fail cog|work |
| 17:57.42 | purl | cog|work: FAIL! |
| 17:58.03 | malreth | Lunessa: you are now onjoin free |
| 17:58.56 | Lunessa | It amuses me that the channel as a whole gets so much enjoyment out of adding onjoins for me. |
| 17:59.04 | Fisker- | ~onjoin malreth ~fail malreth |
| 17:59.04 | purl | Fisker-: ok |
| 17:59.08 | Fisker- | xD etc. |
| 17:59.30 | malreth | ~onjoin malreth Oh noooo... He's gonna be mean to meeeeee... |
| 17:59.30 | purl | malreth: ok |
| 17:59.45 | malreth | Mr. Bill FTW |
| 17:59.51 | zespri_home | is this normal, that IsAddOnLoaded returns 1 before ADDON_LOADED is fired for the same addon? |
| 18:00.07 | malreth | likely |
| 18:00.53 | Kaso | Addon_loaded is just when you're guaranteed everything for that addon is loaded. Its possible its partially loaded before that |
| 18:00.56 | malreth | You have IsAddOnLoaded() outside of any function definition in your lua file? |
| 18:01.29 | zespri_home | if it is what's the point then? it returns 1 before any code in the addon in question had a chance to execute |
| 18:01.37 | zespri_home | an example can be dounf here http://brutsoft.com/tmp/AddOns_Test.zip |
| 18:01.37 | malreth | because by definition of that function being called by your code your addon is obviously loaded |
| 18:02.30 | zespri_home | The thing is. I call IsAddonLoaded, it returns 1 but nothing in the addon has executed yet. |
| 18:02.52 | zespri_home | So basicaly this 1 is totally uselss for me I can't work with the addon it's not there yet |
| 18:03.22 | malreth | it executes as soon as it is loaded by WoW |
| 18:03.54 | zespri_home | it what? |
| 18:05.02 | malreth | WoW iterates over all the folders in AddOns in directory order (as defined by the OS), reads the .toc, and loads referenced files within |
| 18:05.30 | malreth | so in your example, Addon1's lua files are loaded and executed immediately |
| 18:05.33 | zespri_home | yeah, yeah, I got that. Why IsAddonLoaded returns 1 before addon is actually loaded? |
| 18:06.06 | malreth | then Addon2's files are loaded and executed |
| 18:06.17 | Shirik | foxlit!! |
| 18:06.20 | Shirik | Where's act III?! |
| 18:06.21 | Fisker- | Shirik!! |
| 18:06.25 | Thunder_Child | Shirik! |
| 18:06.31 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child! |
| 18:06.33 | foxlit | Saturday, I hear |
| 18:06.42 | malreth | Addon1 exists as an addon by the time Addon2 is loaded so IsAddonLoaded() should return 1 for Addon1 |
| 18:06.43 | Thunder_Child | no Fisker-, no |
| 18:06.46 | Fisker- | ok :( |
| 18:06.49 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:06.53 | Shirik | now I have to wait? |
| 18:07.04 | alestane | ADDON_LOADED doesn't fire until not only has the add-on's code been loaded, but its saved variables ahve as well. |
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| 18:07.11 | zespri_home | marleth, this is not correct. Addon1 depends on Addon2, it guarantees that Addon2 loads first. This actually can be seen from the output |
| 18:08.21 | malreth | hmm... |
| 18:08.28 | zespri_home | alestane, yes, I realize this, but in this case the problem is that IsAddonLoaded returns 1 when basicaly nothing usable in the addon is loaded |
| 18:09.06 | alestane | Then what you actually want to test for should be some global set by the add-on you're curious about. |
| 18:09.40 | alestane | IsAddonLoaded is, I believe, intended for detecting Load-on-Demand addons. |
| 18:10.24 | Shirik | you should not really be using IsAddonLoaded anyway |
| 18:10.36 | Shirik | (most likely) |
| 18:11.02 | malreth | ah... |
| 18:11.26 | malreth | IsAddonLoaded() might refer to when the addon's .toc file is loaded then |
| 18:11.45 | zespri_home | very useful function =))) |
| 18:11.53 | malreth | it is for load on demand addons |
| 18:13.08 | malreth | Addon1.toc is loaded first, then Addon2.toc, Addon2.xml, Addon2.lua, then Addon1.lua and so on |
| 18:13.32 | alestane | But yes, if you want to determine if a particular file has been executed, check a global that's set inside that file. |
| 18:14.49 | malreth | !api IsAddonLoaded |
| 18:14.49 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'IsAddOnLoaded' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsAddOnLoaded |
| 18:15.22 | Adys | Anyone installed wlk under wine? |
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| 18:16.42 | zespri_home | I can't query a variable in a genric addon |
| 18:16.56 | zespri_home | because I don't know the variable name |
| 18:17.02 | zespri_home | but thank you anyway =) |
| 18:17.07 | malreth | o_O |
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| 18:17.25 | zespri_home | marleth - Stubby |
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| 18:17.36 | malreth | what'd you call me> |
| 18:17.42 | malreth | oh... |
| 18:17.47 | malreth | nvm |
| 18:19.02 | malreth | zespri_home: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 18:22.19 | zespri_home | the function in stubby that hooks addon load sometimes fires in a wring time |
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| 18:23.36 | malreth | and so... you're trying to fix stubby? |
| 18:24.33 | Cairenn | Interrupt: I've added a download cat and a forum for WotLK beta mods - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat110.html and http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=82 /Interrupt |
| 18:24.35 | zespri_home | well, I tried to use it. It doesn't perform, and now I know why |
| 18:24.59 | nevcairiel | Cairenn: gimme a key and i'll write something for the category! :) |
| 18:25.04 | Cairenn | heh |
| 18:25.10 | Cairenn | waiting for the go-ahead |
| 18:25.24 | nevcairiel | that sounds promising |
| 18:26.00 | Cairenn | I'm pretty sure I can probably say it now anyway - yes, we've got the same deal going on this time as last - unlimited keys for authors |
| 18:26.14 | Cairenn | just need them to give us the green light to start it |
| 18:26.16 | malreth | zespri_home: you still haven't said what it is you're doing |
| 18:26.42 | Shirik | green? |
| 18:26.53 | nevcairiel | yes, green. |
| 18:27.00 | Shirik | why green |
| 18:27.02 | nevcairiel | green text and background on screens produces green light |
| 18:27.04 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 18:27.08 | zespri_home | marleth but I did. needed to execute certain code when an addon loads |
| 18:27.29 | Fisker- | just hope your keys aren't for EU servers Cairenn |
| 18:27.31 | zespri_home | stubby's registeraddonhook is supposed to do exactly that. but it doesn't |
| 18:27.32 | malreth | you don't need stubby for that |
| 18:27.37 | Cairenn | Fisker-: why? |
| 18:27.49 | Fisker- | Because we have to wait until ~2009 to get to play apparently |
| 18:28.00 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:28.10 | Fisker- | They didn't find it somewhat important to get the beta-page up and running so they're taking the weekend off |
| 18:28.36 | zespri_home | marelth, go on |
| 18:28.37 | Gnarfoz | yea, they don't like us EU people :> |
| 18:28.42 | Fisker- | indeed Gnarfoz |
| 18:29.19 | Gnarfoz | hey, I *am* an author in wowi terms :) |
| 18:29.30 | malreth | is there a specific addon that you are waiting for to load? |
| 18:29.43 | zespri_home | marleth, yes |
| 18:30.18 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: do you remember, if keys last year did work or didn't work region independent? ;) |
| 18:30.34 | Cairenn | you have to declare which region you are in |
| 18:30.50 | Gnarfoz | after entering a key? (huh?) |
| 18:30.56 | cogwheel | zespri_home: i haven't been following along in detail, but why not just use ADDON_LOADED and check for the addon name you're interested in? |
| 18:31.11 | Fisker- | Can i make a "LolI'mScammingYouForABetaKey" that does nothing? |
| 18:31.14 | malreth | Can you wait for an ADDON_LOADED event to fire for that particular addon and do your work then? |
| 18:31.16 | Shirik | no |
| 18:31.26 | Shirik | and we're going to be monitoring that Fisker-, so don't try :P |
| 18:31.30 | malreth | yeah... what cog said |
| 18:31.48 | zespri_home | cogwheel because there is chance that the addon in question is already loaded |
| 18:32.11 | Fisker- | poor me :( |
| 18:32.27 | cogwheel | zespri_home: unless *your* addon is LoD, you'll get ADDON_LOADED messages for every addon |
| 18:32.41 | malreth | ADDON_LOADED events don't fire until after saved variables are loaded |
| 18:32.47 | zespri_home | the thing is, that stubby is supposed to do this for you, you know. I mean I can write all the same code, it's just a pain that libraries are there but you can't use them... |
| 18:32.48 | malreth | which happens well after all addons are loaded |
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| 18:32.55 | Fisker- | If only they cared about EU people Gnarfoz |
| 18:32.56 | Fisker- | if only! |
| 18:32.57 | zespri_home | anyway thank you for yor input guys |
| 18:32.59 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: ah, you're saying at some point I'd have to specify which region I'm in to get the correct kind of key? |
| 18:33.07 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: yeah, yeah, if only. :( |
| 18:33.24 | malreth | zespri_home: you don't need to add all the same code as Stubby |
| 18:33.36 | Cairenn | Gnarfoz: yes - we have buttons for you to choose from, saying which region you are in US or EU |
| 18:33.36 | Fisker- | For example if they actually gathered feedback and other stuff and rewarded those people who did a lot of feedback and testing like they did in the US |
| 18:33.39 | malreth | Stubby is a on-demand addon loader |
| 18:33.57 | malreth | if your addon isn't load-on-demand, it's totally inappropriate for your use |
| 18:34.01 | kamdis | malreth, do you still have the link to that grafitti cartoon you posted yesterday? |
| 18:34.23 | malreth | kamdis: the "this is how i roll motherfucker" one? |
| 18:34.27 | kamdis | aye |
| 18:34.42 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4965898235&sid=1 <-i can see they don't like people being disappointed :) |
| 18:34.46 | kamdis | i hung it on my board and someone wants it ;-) |
| 18:35.06 | Fisker- | omg lol @ #5 who spammed the thread after it was locked |
| 18:35.08 | cogwheel | zespri_home: you could iterate through all the addons and check if it's LoD. If it is, use IsAddOnLoaded, otherwise, you know it's already loaded |
| 18:35.22 | malreth | kamdis: http://ffffound.com/image/3cc14e1b1d9388c0fb96c275ae9875ced93fc83c |
| 18:35.30 | kamdis | thank you mal |
| 18:35.45 | Shirik | cogwheel: that assumes that the function is called after addons are loaded |
| 18:35.52 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: might be because I'm awake for way more hours than is advisable: is that something I'd already have clicked back when I created my wowi account or something I'd still have to click if I were eligible (and regarding that, who /is/ eligible, anyways?) |
| 18:36.29 | Shirik | no Gnarfoz |
| 18:36.38 | Shirik | you will need to click it at some point in the future :) |
| 18:36.47 | Gnarfoz | ah I see |
| 18:36.56 | Cairenn | You must be an addon author with one or more mods on the site that are current to 2.4 (Compilations & "Hello world" or its equivalent do not count) |
| 18:37.01 | Cairenn | (from our rules page) |
| 18:37.13 | cogwheel | Shirik: i have to make assumptions 'cause zespri_home hasn't told us whether his addon is LoD or not :P |
| 18:37.17 | Gnarfoz | wow, that shoe might even fit ;D |
| 18:37.20 | cogwheel | (at least not that i've seen) |
| 18:37.34 | Shirik | I don't actually think he's talking about any addon in particular |
| 18:37.37 | cogwheel | and i already gave him the solution if it isn't LoD |
| 18:37.38 | Shirik | but about Stubby in general |
| 18:37.50 | cogwheel | ah |
| 18:38.11 | zespri_home | cogwheel it is LoD |
| 18:38.17 | malreth | ok.. |
| 18:38.32 | Fisker- | Shirik teach to make an addon that's better than "Hello World" :D |
| 18:38.49 | Shirik | function a(a) coroutine.wrap(a)(a) end a(a) |
| 18:38.55 | Shirik | put that in an addon and submit it |
| 18:38.59 | malreth | zespri_home: so would using a LoadWith: directive in your .toc work? |
| 18:39.02 | Fisker- | B&? |
| 18:39.11 | Shirik | b& indeed |
| 18:39.11 | Gnarfoz | would my connection please stop from dropping out today? >_> |
| 18:39.19 | zespri_home | marleth, no, because of circular dependencies |
| 18:39.30 | Shirik | Cide, did you ever patch that? |
| 18:39.51 | zespri_home | anyway time to sleep. Thanks again everybody who participated =) |
| 18:39.56 | foxlit | .3 fixed that |
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| 18:40.10 | Shirik | the question is whether or not he's on .3 :P |
| 18:40.15 | malreth | guy couldn't even spell my name right... he shouldn't be writing addons |
| 18:40.21 | alestane | Shirik: wouldn't that recursively call itself and create coroutines until the stack overflowed or you ran out of memory? |
| 18:40.28 | Shirik | yup |
| 18:40.41 | Shirik | in particular, 5.1.2 had a bug where it didn't correctly monitor the stack for that statement |
| 18:40.48 | Shirik | so it would segfault |
| 18:41.09 | Cide | Shirik: think so? dunno |
| 18:41.09 | Cide | maybe not |
| 18:41.10 | Shirik | Well I don't want to try it :P |
| 18:42.13 | foxlit | Shirik: pick a less fatal .2 bug and check for it |
| 18:42.25 | Shirik | well Cide doesn't give me my toys :( |
| 18:42.29 | Shirik | >>> debug.setmetatable |
| 18:42.30 | Cide | Shirik: nil |
| 18:42.32 | Shirik | >>> newproxy |
| 18:42.33 | Cide | Shirik: function: 00A76D68 |
| 18:42.39 | Shirik | oh, well I have newproxy |
| 18:42.44 | Shirik | but no fun without debug.setmetatable |
| 18:43.05 | Amarande | Shirik: or for those who can't find their bugs and whose software isn't working |
| 18:43.09 | Amarande | debug.setmetastable :) |
| 18:43.50 | Shirik | oh, this is always fun |
| 18:45.35 | Shirik | >>> maybe = assert(loadstring(string.dump(function() return ({[true]=true})[true] end):gsub('\1\1', '\1\2')))(); print(type(maybe)); print(maybe ~= true and maybe ~= false); print(maybe); |
| 18:45.35 | Cide | Shirik: "boolean", true, true |
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| 18:47.08 | Josh_Borke | wtf is that statement |
| 18:47.20 | Josh_Borke | >>> print(nil ~= true and nil ~= false); |
| 18:47.20 | Cide | Josh_Borke: true |
| 18:47.33 | Shirik | yeah, but type(nil) == 'nil', not 'boolean' |
| 18:47.49 | Josh_Borke | yea, yea |
| 18:48.12 | Shirik | >>> maybe = assert(loadstring(string.dump(function() return ({[true]=true})[true] end):gsub('\1\1', '\1\2')))(); print(type(maybe)); print(maybe ~= true and maybe ~= false); print(maybe); print(maybe ~= maybe); |
| 18:48.12 | Cide | Shirik: "boolean", true, true, false |
| 18:48.30 | Josh_Borke | >>> maybe = assert(loadstring(string.dump(function() return ({[true]=true})[true] end):gsub('\1\1', '\1\2')))(); print(type(maybe)); print(maybe ~= true and maybe ~= false); print(maybe); print(maybe ~= not maybe); |
| 18:48.30 | Cide | Josh_Borke: "boolean", true, true, true |
| 18:48.45 | Cide | ... |
| 18:48.49 | Cide | true ~= not true |
| 18:48.51 | Josh_Borke | that's just bizarre |
| 18:48.55 | Cide | x ~= not x |
| 18:48.59 | Josh_Borke | hm |
| 18:49.05 | Cide | for most values of x :P |
| 18:49.05 | Josh_Borke | >>> maybe = assert(loadstring(string.dump(function() return ({[true]=true})[true] end):gsub('\1\1', '\1\2')))(); print(type(maybe)); print(maybe ~= true and maybe ~= false); print(maybe); print(maybe == not maybe); |
| 18:49.06 | Cide | Josh_Borke: "boolean", true, true, false |
| 18:49.16 | alestane | Shirik: Is there a point to that tangle of indirection? |
| 18:49.23 | Josh_Borke | >>> maybe = assert(loadstring(string.dump(function() return ({[true]=true})[true] end):gsub('\1\1', '\1\2')))(); print(type(maybe)); print(maybe ~= true and maybe ~= false); print(maybe); print(not maybe); |
| 18:49.23 | Cide | Josh_Borke: "boolean", true, true, false |
| 18:49.36 | Shirik | not really :) foxlit just said to try something less destructive :D |
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| 18:50.23 | Shirik | My understanding of the bug is that it injects a value which isn't valid into a lua_Boolean object. When it tests against both true and false, then, it comes back as not equivalent. |
| 18:51.02 | Josh_Borke | hm, it's all because of that gsub business |
| 18:51.06 | Shirik | yeah |
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| 19:00.01 | Amarande | which sounds like a design flaw in the boolean object |
| 19:00.26 | Amarande | my understanding of coding is that either a) zero is true, all others are false, or b) zero is false, all others are true (depending on the language) |
| 19:00.33 | Amarande | but that all non-zero values should be being treated the same way |
| 19:00.42 | Shirik | that's just how you define it |
| 19:00.45 | Shirik | Lua does not define it in that manner |
| 19:00.57 | Shirik | it's up to the language to decide that |
| 19:06.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Argh, anyone have the registry key that tells WoW where to find itself? :P |
| 19:06.53 | Cairenn | Gnarfoz: lol, you might want to fix your file description |
| 19:06.54 | Industrial | What's the item called that you can enchant a head item to do haling, damage and mp5 with? |
| 19:06.55 | Industrial | or the spell |
| 19:06.58 | Industrial | i needs 1 |
| 19:07.24 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: hum, I did check it, what happened to it? :( |
| 19:07.41 | Cairenn | ... [i]which[/hunter] ... |
| 19:07.47 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:07.53 | Gnarfoz | woah |
| 19:07.59 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:08.02 | Gnarfoz | 29 hours and counting |
| 19:08.06 | Gnarfoz | side effects commencing: now |
| 19:08.11 | Cairenn | sleep might be an idea ;) |
| 19:08.17 | Lunessa | *headdesk* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202530524&sid=1 |
| 19:08.25 | Gnarfoz | I'd certainly like to [/hunter] some people, that's for sure :D |
| 19:08.30 | Cairenn | hey now! |
| 19:08.42 | Gnarfoz | just the ones that don't behave ;) |
| 19:09.09 | Gnarfoz | uhm, did you already fix that by chance, or am I seeing things^^ |
| 19:09.48 | Cairenn | weird |
| 19:09.52 | Thunder_Child | lol Lunessa |
| 19:10.04 | Thunder_Child | i thought everyone had realized that already |
| 19:10.19 | Thunder_Child | i guess barnum was right |
| 19:10.47 | Cairenn | starting to think I'm the one seeing things |
| 19:10.56 | Wikwocket | Lunessa: that is pretty awesome |
| 19:11.58 | Shirik | purl, say --> return "test" |
| 19:11.58 | purl | --> return "test" |
| 19:11.59 | batbot | purl: > test |
| 19:12.00 | purl | Failed! |
| 19:12.04 | Shirik | er |
| 19:12.10 | Shirik | not what I meant, but ok |
| 19:12.23 | Shirik | I think batbot doesn't like me anymore |
| 19:12.30 | Shirik | --> return 1; |
| 19:12.31 | batbot | Shirik: > 1 |
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| 19:17.49 | Guest319 | hello I have a question? |
| 19:18.14 | Shirik | wait wait, let me guess |
| 19:18.17 | Shirik | "Is cosmos updated" |
| 19:18.30 | Guest319 | no another question |
| 19:18.35 | Shirik | oh ok :P |
| 19:19.43 | Guest319 | ok i have windows vista and i am trying to download cosmos and it gets to downloading file and then says there is a error commun.. with the server\ |
| 19:19.59 | Guest319 | do you have any suggestions |
| 19:20.03 | Shirik | >< |
| 19:20.13 | Thunder_Child | hahahahahahaha |
| 19:20.15 | Guest319 | i have even turned off my fire wall |
| 19:20.30 | Thunder_Child | the server is down Guest319 |
| 19:20.37 | Thunder_Child | says so on the front page of cosmos |
| 19:21.01 | Guest319 | OK how long has it been down |
| 19:21.08 | Thunder_Child | hmm..3 days now? |
| 19:21.09 | malreth | next time, Shirik... next time |
| 19:21.11 | Thunder_Child | maybe 4 |
| 19:21.27 | malreth | perhaps 5 |
| 19:21.41 | Guest319 | hmmmmmmmmmmmm ok i have tried to do these for about months now |
| 19:21.47 | Lunessa | :D |
| 19:21.55 | malreth | we know |
| 19:22.15 | malreth | it crashes the connection subroutines every time you connect |
| 19:22.27 | malreth | we've been trying to get you to stop for some time now |
| 19:22.51 | Guest319 | ok i came to ask for help not to be made fun oh THANKS FOR THE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:22.58 | malreth | no problem |
| 19:24.13 | Thunder_Child | wow, teh cosmos people are rather touchy |
| 19:24.19 | Artmi | Kinda hilarious, why does people come here with cosmos problems anyway? :P |
| 19:24.24 | Artmi | not as if this is a cosmos support channel? |
| 19:24.28 | Thunder_Child | yes it is |
| 19:24.30 | Artmi | ok |
| 19:24.35 | Thunder_Child | they moved here |
| 19:25.23 | malreth | http://www.cosmosui.org/irc.php |
| 19:25.47 | alestane | Well, in all honesty we get pretty nasty to them just for being clueless Cosmos people. |
| 19:25.50 | Artmi | Why have it in a channel named wowuidev? |
| 19:25.59 | Artmi | it's not as if end-users has got anything with user-interface development to do |
| 19:26.31 | Thunder_Child | alestane, thats because they dont bother reading, it is on the cosmos home page, forum and IRC topic |
| 19:26.49 | Shirik | I find it hilarious that I knew right away |
| 19:26.56 | Shirik | well I was slightly off |
| 19:26.58 | Shirik | but still! |
| 19:27.45 | malreth | well, their web page says now that the patcher is up |
| 19:27.47 | Artmi | I mean, if cosmos is such a popular compilation, why not have it's own channel for support. It shouldn't really lack users in the channel, if it has a huge user base. And if it doesn't, why not keep support to the forums |
| 19:27.55 | alestane | But here's the thing...does excoriating them for not having found the answer themselves actually help them do better next time, or does it just convince them that you're a jerk? |
| 19:27.59 | Lunessa | Actually, the humor value is important. But your point is alos valid alestane. Still... it sucks. |
| 19:28.25 | malreth | alestane: it likely convinces them that i'm a jerk. i hold no misconceptions about that. |
| 19:29.08 | Thunder_Child | alestane, some people are asses and we usually do it in response, however for the most part people simply got the answer they were looking for and left with no ill feelings |
| 19:29.14 | alestane | Right, but if they can blame you, they'll just keep doing it, because it wasn't their fault. |
| 19:29.35 | malreth | meh |
| 19:29.39 | alestane | Thunder_Child: I know that many people just leave after asking their question. |
| 19:30.13 | malreth | the cosmos patcher still doesn't seem to work, despite their website saying otherwise |
| 19:31.55 | alestane | I suspect this guy is of the "I already know what I did is perfect so the game must be messed up" crowd, but does anyone else have any insight? It doesn't quite sound like the "equip change interrupts" change: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202460974&postId=82017030569&sid=1 |
| 19:32.52 | foxlit | item id and so on |
| 19:33.41 | malreth | to atone for poking fun at Guest319, i'll help the next GuestNNN |
| 19:34.13 | malreth | hmm... http://www.cosmosui.org/forum.php |
| 19:34.33 | malreth | yeah... that's working very well |
| 19:34.52 | Guest320 | So yeah I need someone to write an addon for me. :P |
| 19:35.03 | malreth | ~rub breser |
| 19:35.04 | purl | ACTION rubs breser's face with a cheese grater. |
| 19:36.54 | malreth | is there actually anyone here from the Cosmos team? |
| 19:38.28 | Thunder_Child | really, how can we really help people if we dont know anything about cosmos |
| 19:38.40 | malreth | their forums are down, too |
| 19:38.40 | Lunessa | alestane: If he delete's the macro and recreates, I bet it'll work. |
| 19:39.00 | Lunessa | Working for me malreth |
| 19:39.08 | Fisker- | oh well Gnarfoz |
| 19:39.13 | Fisker- | seems that beta keys has been sent |
| 19:39.17 | malreth | oh... now it's working |
| 19:39.17 | Fisker- | and that they actually already work |
| 19:39.32 | malreth | i was getting a php error not but 5 minutes ago |
| 19:39.49 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: how do you figure?> |
| 19:39.50 | Artmi | I would have loved a key, doesn't seem as if i've gotten anything from blizzard, although i did opt for a chance on my account :P |
| 19:40.05 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz i got 2 guildies who can confirm |
| 19:40.11 | Gnarfoz | >_< |
| 19:40.20 | Dashkal | meh, didn't make the first round either |
| 19:41.34 | Shirik | cladhaire, batrick, ping |
| 19:44.52 | Shirik | does CTL automatically split long lines into multiple packets? |
| 19:45.54 | foxlit | # with my freeze ray I'll stop the world... |
| 19:46.01 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 19:46.18 | Thunder_Child | so so random |
| 19:46.29 | Thunder_Child | and foxlit, boo |
| 19:46.44 | Lopeppeppy | Tomorrow = episode III? |
| 19:46.48 | malreth | yep |
| 19:46.55 | malreth | after sunday, they go away |
| 19:47.04 | malreth | so get your friends to watch |
| 19:47.06 | Thunder_Child | or you can buy them for $4 |
| 19:47.13 | malreth | available on iTunes |
| 19:47.15 | foxlit | TC: assuming you're in NA |
| 19:47.26 | foxlit | 48 hours to figure out how to save RTMP streams, clearly |
| 19:47.29 | malreth | it's a smart way of doing things |
| 19:47.29 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_FontInstance_SetTextColor |
| 19:47.32 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, NA? |
| 19:47.33 | Adys | that got removed in wotlk ? |
| 19:47.37 | foxlit | north america |
| 19:47.59 | Thunder_Child | you cant use itunes otherwise? |
| 19:48.06 | malreth | in a sense, it's just like how you'd pay tons of money for an advertising blitz for your new show |
| 19:48.12 | foxlit | You can't buy it elsewhere |
| 19:48.17 | malreth | 'free' is the commodity |
| 19:48.35 | foxlit | "iTunes" isn't a single store |
| 19:48.51 | malreth | they release it for free to build buzz, then that generates interest to purchase the product |
| 19:49.07 | foxlit | They're geographically separate, you need residence in the country you're claiming to be from in order to buy anything from the relevant iTunes store. |
| 19:49.30 | foxlit | In this case, you can only buy the episodes from US/Canada iTunes. |
| 19:50.06 | Thunder_Child | i guess its torrent ftw then |
| 19:52.31 | Lunessa | "These are not the hammer." |
| 19:52.51 | cladhaire | Shirik: pong |
| 19:52.56 | Shirik | hey um |
| 19:53.01 | Shirik | can I.... see your code >.> |
| 19:53.10 | Thunder_Child | that sounds so dirty |
| 19:53.11 | cladhaire | for.. |
| 19:53.21 | Shirik | your sandbox |
| 19:53.33 | Thunder_Child | ya...that got much better... |
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| 20:02.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Slakah (n=Slakah@5ac6bd7b.bb.sky.com) |
| 20:02.39 | Lunessa | Hey baby, let me run some java in your sandbox. *wink*wink* |
| 20:02.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, do you promise to use cafe latte? |
| 20:10.22 | Shirik | Anyone here use portage? |
| 20:10.48 | Lopeppeppy | Not the way that you mean it, dear. |
| 20:10.53 | ZealotOnAStick | If you were going to try to represent the concept "clusterfuck" in a 32x32 icon, how would you do so? |
| 20:11.01 | Sixen | He must've came to the wrong place. |
| 20:11.13 | Sixen | Rofl. Just realized I was scrolled way up.. |
| 20:11.20 | Lopeppeppy | ZealotOnAStick, I'd imagine a tangled knot of computer cable. |
| 20:11.22 | Sixen | (12:21:01 PM) Guest319: ok i came to ask for help not to be made fun oh THANKS FOR THE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:11.50 | Sixen | I'd put two cloisters.. Doing it. |
| 20:11.54 | Sixen | Oh, cluster. |
| 20:11.58 | amro | ZealotOnAStick: Hellgate icon |
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| 20:12.52 | ZealotOnAStick | amro: lol |
| 20:13.38 | Thunder_Child | ZealotOnAStick, with regards to what? clusterfucks can happen in many diff fields |
| 20:13.41 | kamdis | Sixen: IRC is not place to be if you're sensitive about being made fun of, that's for sure. |
| 20:14.07 | Shirik | ~irc |
| 20:14.08 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 20:14.21 | Thunder_Child | has nothing to do with being made fun of Shirik |
| 20:14.22 | Sixen | Keke. |
| 20:14.26 | Thunder_Child | though it should |
| 20:14.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:14.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I just got an e-mail from blizzard |
| 20:14.47 | Shirik | b&? |
| 20:14.48 | Sixen | To Sbo: |
| 20:14.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Saw the little thunderbird popup that I had e-mail |
| 20:14.56 | Sixen | "LAWL I BET U DOUGHT UD B IN BETa. LOLOLO APRIL FOOLS" |
| 20:14.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Got all excited |
| 20:14.58 | Sixen | From: Blizzard |
| 20:14.59 | Fisker- | and then it was nothing |
| 20:15.03 | Fisker- | old |
| 20:15.05 | Sixen | =p |
| 20:15.07 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 20:15.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and it was concerning my GM ticket |
| 20:15.10 | Sixen | <3 |
| 20:15.11 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That I had opened.... over a day ago |
| 20:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | And forgot about |
| 20:15.28 | Fisker- | GM's do emails? |
| 20:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | They do when you logout |
| 20:15.33 | Fisker- | how sweet of them |
| 20:15.44 | Fisker- | you mean ingame or what? |
| 20:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | If you open a ticket ingame and log out, you'll get an e-mail response |
| 20:15.57 | Fisker- | No GM's here i've ever seen do that |
| 20:16.02 | Fisker- | US? |
| 20:16.08 | Thunder_Child | ZealotOnAStick, server rack on fire if you can swing it in 32x32 |
| 20:16.09 | ScytheBlade1 | You can also email wowgm@blizzard.com and open a ticket that way |
| 20:16.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, US |
| 20:16.15 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 20:16.19 | Fisker- | doesn't happen in EU |
| 20:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | "Thank you for taking the time to report this issue to us. At Blizzard Entertainment, we encourage and appreciate the role of the gaming community in keeping World of Warcraft a safe and enjoyable environment for all participants." |
| 20:16.29 | Slakah | In EU you get an ingame mail |
| 20:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | THAT ISN'T MY BETA KEY |
| 20:16.42 | Fisker- | write back and ask for one |
| 20:16.53 | ScytheBlade1 | From: donotreply@blizzard.com |
| 20:17.07 | kamdis | fuck the man, reply anyway |
| 20:17.09 | kamdis | ;-) |
| 20:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 20:17.31 | ScytheBlade1 | When you put it that way that is oddly tempting |
| 20:17.32 | Fisker- | you know the real email yourself ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:17.42 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm trying to get a good concept for Raids/Raid Progression icon. |
| 20:18.14 | ZealotOnAStick | and based on recent experience with M'uru, repeated connection losses, spinny bitches, and general tardness, clusterfuck was the best word that came to mind. |
| 20:18.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:18.49 | Thunder_Child | ZealotOnAStick, show a raid group up someones arse |
| 20:18.56 | Shirik | >< |
| 20:19.15 | Thunder_Child | well a boss ofc |
| 20:19.42 | kamdis | the chick in my guild's banner pretty much sums it up for me/my guild http://i35.tinypic.com/b8ju9t.jpg |
| 20:19.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh boo, my old TBC beta key doesn't work :( |
| 20:19.59 | Shirik | .. |
| 20:20.06 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: that is awesome |
| 20:20.11 | Shirik | gogo ScytheBlade1, start brute forcing |
| 20:20.23 | ZealotOnAStick | kamdis: awesome. |
| 20:20.34 | Shirik | you'll surely get in before you would have broken my 16384 bit key |
| 20:21.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually considering network latency probably not |
| 20:21.10 | Shirik | find a botnet |
| 20:22.08 | Shirik | also, wtb authenticator |
| 20:22.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that when they see the account "ScytheBlade1" trying to be upgraded thousands of times a minute |
| 20:22.27 | kamdis | wow there's a huge love-filled thread on elitist jerks about oPie |
| 20:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It wouldn't last long |
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| 20:22.57 | Shirik | oh, "order status: shipped" |
| 20:22.57 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: because it's awesome! |
| 20:22.58 | Shirik | yey |
| 20:23.03 | Fisker- | 1-0 |
| 20:23.12 | kamdis | indeed, ScytheBlade1, it is |
| 20:23.15 | Shirik | ~kill Fisker- |
| 20:23.16 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized fluxneutron gun at Fisker- |
| 20:23.35 | kamdis | For some reason I feel like EJ praise is somehow equated with WoW-fame |
| 20:23.36 | Shirik | Order Status: |
| 20:23.36 | Shirik | ShippedPlease contact customer support for shipment tracking number information. |
| 20:23.46 | Shirik | Why can't they put the tracking number on their website like everyone else :< |
| 20:23.53 | kamdis | Because they hate you |
| 20:24.37 | Fisker- | i got a tracking number Shirik |
| 20:24.47 | Fisker- | got it 2 days after i recieved the authenticator though |
| 20:25.33 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:26.43 | cogwheel | Shirik: in us they ship by USPS so there is no tracking |
| 20:26.55 | Shirik | USPS has tracking numbers |
| 20:27.06 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 20:27.07 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give malreth a big kiss on the hand |
| 20:27.07 | cogwheel | can has |
| 20:27.08 | cogwheel | not has |
| 20:27.08 | Shirik | though not for all mail |
| 20:27.09 | malreth | not for first class |
| 20:27.10 | Fisker- | :))) |
| 20:27.35 | malreth | Fisker-: aw... that's sweet.... BUT IT'S WRONG!!! |
| 20:28.02 | malreth | woot.. my authenticators have shipped, too |
| 20:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, wtb smaller form-factor authenticator |
| 20:29.17 | Thunder_Child | is friday defined as a busness day? |
| 20:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 20:29.58 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: i'm just glad it has a swivel |
| 20:30.08 | Thunder_Child | hmmm... than what happens if a package is shiped with 3 day select and it arives on the 4th day? |
| 20:30.25 | malreth | Thunder_Child: nothing |
| 20:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yay us!! |
| 20:30.28 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.3) |
| 20:30.48 | Thunder_Child | lope has issues |
| 20:30.49 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: you qq |
| 20:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: I don't have one, but after seeing several pictures, I'm somewhat turned off to them entirely just due to the form factor |
| 20:31.02 | Thunder_Child | damn right i qq, i'm going to qq all the way to ups |
| 20:31.45 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: best you could do is get blizzard a refund on their shipping cost since you didn't actually pay for shipping... |
| 20:31.48 | cogwheel | imo |
| 20:32.03 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, has nothing to do with blizzard |
| 20:32.40 | Thunder_Child | i never said anything about it |
| 20:32.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 20:32.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm curious just how easily moddable it would be ;D |
| 20:32.55 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: lern2establishcontext |
| 20:33.20 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, i didnt think it mattered...and to be honest, it still doesnt, i was just wondering what happens |
| 20:33.34 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: it's not much bigger than any of my other keychains :P (same width and about 1/2" longer than the Blizzard keychain from the last con) |
| 20:34.07 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: if you paid for shipping you should be able to receive a refund of the difference between the 3-day price and the next lowest price |
| 20:34.23 | Lunessa | I love calls like "I need a couple of domain accounts for tomorrow, and I need them right now, and I can't tell you why>" Rwally? How about you go outside and jerk yourself a soda? |
| 20:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: yeah, but I only have keys on my keychain. Comparatively, the authenticator would be massive |
| 20:34.53 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, i assume i have to wait untill after it gets delivered and not base it on the estimated delivery date? |
| 20:35.10 | Thunder_Child | s/estimated/scheduled/ |
| 20:35.30 | cogwheel | yep |
| 20:35.44 | cogwheel | i've often had things delivered the day before the "scheduled" date |
| 20:35.57 | Thunder_Child | me to, but only with fedex, never with ups |
| 20:35.59 | cogwheel | and it also has to be from the time they actually took possession of the package. |
| 20:36.07 | Dashkal | My copy of the book arrived a good week in advance, and that was mail |
| 20:36.47 | Sixen | Ugh. |
| 20:36.59 | Sixen | I've got people messaging me, "OMG I C U IN BETA FORAMZ" |
| 20:37.04 | Sixen | "Yes, yes you do." |
| 20:37.14 | Artmi | People living in the US is so lucky, mail / items ordered through the net gets to you so much faster :P |
| 20:37.19 | Artmi | soon been waiting 2 weeks for my book |
| 20:37.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: "what? I only posted on the alpha forums. What are you smoking?" |
| 20:37.43 | Sixen | Lawl, :) |
| 20:37.44 | amro | Artmi: been waiting a month for my stuff =) |
| 20:37.45 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, 07/17/2008 5:49 P.M. ORIGIN SCAN , Scheduled Delivery: 07/22/2008 . i see 4 days there |
| 20:38.00 | cogwheel | two being weekend... |
| 20:38.09 | Thunder_Child | right, 6-2=4 |
| 20:38.14 | Artmi | cogwheel, excluding weekend(if you ment me) |
| 20:38.41 | Thunder_Child | ok, just double checking |
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| 20:41.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah-ha |
| 20:41.26 | ScytheBlade1 | GM ticket queues are just about 24 hours long now |
| 20:41.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains why I got that e-mail to a ticket I opened yesterday just a bit ago |
| 20:41.54 | cladhaire | yell at titan panel :P |
| 20:42.08 | malreth | ~yell Titan Panel |
| 20:42.24 | Thunder_Child | ~fail malreth |
| 20:42.24 | purl | malreth, you Fail! |
| 20:43.21 | malreth | purl, eat Thunder_Child |
| 20:43.21 | purl | ACTION eats Thunder_Child and falls over dead |
| 20:43.32 | batrick | Shirik: pong? |
| 20:43.49 | Shirik | uh, I forget |
| 20:43.58 | Thunder_Child | ~shove malreth |
| 20:44.03 | malreth | oh gods, i can't stop laughing now |
| 20:44.13 | Thunder_Child | ~push malreth |
| 20:44.13 | purl | ACTION enlists inviso to push malreth over the edge of a very high cliff |
| 20:44.23 | Thunder_Child | umm...lol |
| 20:44.26 | ScytheBlade1 | haha "Manual_WLK.pdf" |
| 20:44.44 | ScytheBlade1 | "This is a test game manual. Had this been an actual game manual, it would be bigger. This is only a test." |
| 20:44.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Single page PDF |
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| 20:45.34 | wereHamster | where did you find that? |
| 20:45.49 | ScytheBlade1 | In the start menu once you install the beta |
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| 20:50.02 | Lunessa | Holy crap... No NDA? |
| 20:50.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: none! |
| 20:50.16 | Lunessa | SCHWEET |
| 20:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: forums.worldofwarcraft.com/?sid=2000 |
| 20:50.21 | Cide | there wasn't any NDA last beta, was there? |
| 20:50.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: there was initially |
| 20:50.33 | Cide | you sure? |
| 20:50.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Very |
| 20:50.38 | Cide | I'm pretty sure there wasn't |
| 20:50.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It disappeared part way through the beta iirc |
| 20:50.49 | Shirik | so, has anyone figured out what the "violenceLevel" does yet? |
| 20:50.58 | Cide | it's your anger level |
| 20:51.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: used for places like Germany, to allow it to be legally sold there |
| 20:51.09 | Shirik | ah |
| 20:51.12 | Cide | [randomguy]: fine not lag but what do u call when screen cathes up and everything moves fast? |
| 20:51.12 | Cide | [Sebudai]: you don't call it anything |
| 20:51.12 | Cide | [Sebudai]: and my anger level drops |
| 20:51.16 | Shirik | I asked a GM a while ago, and he's like "you're nuts" |
| 20:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide: win |
| 20:51.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: GMs are nuts too |
| 20:51.32 | Cide | but so is Shirik |
| 20:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | True |
| 20:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 20:51.39 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:51.41 | Cide | he who believes in j > i is nuts |
| 20:51.51 | Shirik | well, i is a function |
| 20:51.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa, wait, really? |
| 20:51.55 | Shirik | j is a complex number |
| 20:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That fail was deserved then |
| 20:52.00 | Shirik | you can't really compare them |
| 20:52.26 | Cide | i is not a function |
| 20:52.29 | Cide | i(t) is a function |
| 20:52.36 | Shirik | and i is short for i(t) |
| 20:52.40 | Cide | no |
| 20:52.43 | Cide | you fail |
| 20:52.51 | Shirik | what's the derivative of i(t)? |
| 20:52.58 | Shirik | di/dt? |
| 20:53.15 | Cide | oh no you did't |
| 20:53.31 | Shirik | oh yes I did *snaps fingers* |
| 20:53.40 | [Liq] | What's the latest popular "wardrobe" addon atm? |
| 20:53.46 | Shirik | outfitter imo |
| 20:53.49 | Thunder_Child | .me is ammused and watches the show |
| 20:53.58 | Cide | "Closet" |
| 20:54.00 | Shirik | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 20:54.01 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 20:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ItemRack is awesome |
| 20:54.10 | Thunder_Child | indeed Shirik, indeed |
| 20:54.28 | [Liq] | Differences between outiffter, closetgnome and itemrack? (main diff) |
| 20:54.35 | Shirik | I use outfitter |
| 20:54.37 | Shirik | therefore it is awesome |
| 20:54.41 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea. But ItemRack is awesome. |
| 20:54.42 | [Liq] | heh |
| 20:54.50 | ScytheBlade1 | And Shirik likes outfitter, therefore it fails |
| 20:55.02 | Shirik | lua> "outfitter" > "itemrack" |
| 20:55.02 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 20:55.04 | Shirik | proof. |
| 20:55.10 | Shirik | for the record, Cide |
| 20:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 20:55.13 | Shirik | lua> "j" > "i" |
| 20:55.14 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 20:55.15 | breser | As far as I know the other two don't have events as nice as ItemRack. |
| 20:55.41 | [Liq] | Hmm |
| 20:55.42 | Cide | lua> "mathematics" > "engineering" |
| 20:55.42 | lua_bot | Cide: true |
| 20:55.57 | [Liq] | Do they use the Character frame for creating sets or do they use links/slash ? |
| 20:56.00 | Shirik | oh you think you're funny |
| 20:56.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I laughed |
| 20:56.38 | [Liq] | I remember you guys had this arguement last year. |
| 20:56.41 | batrick | ur face is funny |
| 20:56.54 | Cide | last year? try last week |
| 20:56.55 | Shirik | you're supposed to be defending me batrick |
| 20:57.05 | batrick | im not sure what you guys are trying to talk about |
| 20:57.10 | [Liq] | Cide, hehe well I wasn't here reading. |
| 20:57.11 | batrick | what's the argument? |
| 20:57.12 | Shirik | sqrt(-1) |
| 20:57.18 | batrick | what about it? |
| 20:57.29 | Cide | what would you call it? |
| 20:57.37 | batrick | j |
| 20:57.40 | batrick | =) |
| 20:57.40 | Cide | the jmaginary unit? |
| 20:57.58 | [Liq] | Or...? |
| 20:58.09 | [Liq] | Give something i can randomly choose from. |
| 20:58.11 | batrick | I call it j in engineering and i when I'm doing pure math |
| 20:58.11 | Cide | just like i is... 'currint'? |
| 20:58.23 | batrick | I looks like a wire silly |
| 20:58.29 | batrick | ~bonk cide |
| 20:58.30 | purl | ACTION bonks cide over the head |
| 20:58.35 | Cide | capital I, sure. |
| 20:58.41 | Shirik | C is capacitance |
| 20:58.45 | Shirik | what would you rather current be |
| 20:58.48 | Cide | sucks to be you? |
| 20:59.01 | Cide | name capacitance something else |
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| 20:59.35 | Cide | and I like physics, don't get me wrong |
| 20:59.45 | Cide | but j for imaginary is plain stupid |
| 21:00.01 | Cide | sorry Shirik |
| 21:00.03 | batrick | I'm sure smarty people than you had their reasons for picking j :P |
| 21:00.07 | batrick | wow |
| 21:00.10 | batrick | smarter* |
| 21:00.14 | Cide | lol |
| 21:00.18 | batrick | that should be a new word |
| 21:00.19 | Cide | non-stop > smarties imo |
| 21:00.21 | batrick | 'smarty' |
| 21:00.27 | Cide | anyway |
| 21:00.28 | Shirik | smarty people |
| 21:00.34 | Cide | I don't think their intelligence impacted the decision much |
| 21:00.45 | Cide | "oh shit, 'i' is taken... let's go with the next letter in the alphabet!' |
| 21:00.51 | Cide | s/!'/!"/ |
| 21:00.58 | batrick | perhaps the fact that j wasn't in use and there aren't many words beginning with j that impacted their decision |
| 21:01.20 | Cide | perhaps |
| 21:01.23 | batrick | plus j almost looks like an i |
| 21:01.38 | batrick | so the mathematicians don't have to whine that much |
| 21:02.45 | Cide | aye |
| 21:03.12 | Cide | 'i' is still better, but 'j' is an acceptable compromise |
| 21:03.24 | Shirik | my diff eq class gets mad at me for using "j" |
| 21:03.28 | Shirik | I can't help it though >< |
| 21:03.35 | Shirik | so used to it by now |
| 21:03.42 | Cide | see? tainted to his core |
| 21:03.49 | Kirov | oy, what's with the constant "I want a boyfriend" posts that pop up every day? |
| 21:03.58 | batrick | keyloggers? |
| 21:03.59 | Shirik | J WANT A BOYFRIEND |
| 21:04.03 | Cide | I hate you |
| 21:04.04 | batrick | lul |
| 21:04.18 | batrick | i saw that one coming |
| 21:04.28 | Cide | so did j |
| 21:04.31 | batrick | one year left of college |
| 21:04.38 | batrick | hurray |
| 21:04.43 | batrick | clever |
| 21:04.49 | Shirik | batrick and I are going to go out into the real world and destroy humanity |
| 21:04.49 | batrick | oi shirik when r u done |
| 21:04.58 | Shirik | well, I'm a senior now |
| 21:05.07 | Kirov | batrick - I have about 3 years of college left, I've had about 3 years of college left for the last 8 years though. |
| 21:05.07 | batrick | you mean this fall or right now now? |
| 21:05.12 | Shirik | that doesn't mean that much |
| 21:05.17 | Shirik | well, now, but yes this fall |
| 21:05.28 | Shirik | I already passed my spring courses so I have credits for them... |
| 21:05.31 | Shirik | therefore I'm a senior |
| 21:05.42 | Zyuu | AnduinLothar are you there? |
| 21:05.49 | batrick | I only have to take like 12 credits this fall, and 9 in the spring |
| 21:06.04 | batrick | but for some reason I'm going to take honors classes zzz |
| 21:06.10 | batrick | so 15 and 12 QQ |
| 21:06.33 | Cide | Kirov: sounds like you got a miscalculation in there somewhere |
| 21:06.55 | batrick | kirov is a freshman, let's introduce his face to the toilet |
| 21:07.01 | batrick | o wait... this isn't HS |
| 21:07.01 | batrick | nvm |
| 21:07.30 | Kirov | Cide - No, not at all. I left school because I got hired. The school I was going to decided to not accept my application to drop out of my classes. |
| 21:07.42 | Kirov | Which is fine ... since I was 2000 miles away by that time. |
| 21:07.55 | Cide | ah :P |
| 21:08.11 | Kirov | So, technically I still have 3 years of school left :P |
| 21:08.18 | Cide | go back and finish up! |
| 21:08.22 | Kirov | meh |
| 21:08.32 | Kirov | I can go back and do like 1 class of english and get my AA |
| 21:08.57 | Kirov | Not that it'll be of any use since I have, you know ... 8 years of industry experience |
| 21:09.17 | Shirik | thing is batrick, I'll probably be going into masters program |
| 21:09.23 | Shirik | just waiting for my school to approve the app... |
| 21:10.19 | Kirov | Shirik - looking to go professional student? |
| 21:10.29 | Shirik | professional student? o.o |
| 21:10.43 | Kirov | My sister just got out of school... my sister who is 2 years older than me and has like 3 masters degrees. |
| 21:10.52 | batrick | ya i gotta app to a bunch of grad schools this fall |
| 21:10.59 | batrick | i need to get the hell out of NM |
| 21:11.07 | Shirik | no :P But my school is intending to pay for my masters so |
| 21:11.16 | Shirik | I intend to take that opportunity |
| 21:11.20 | Kirov | Shirik - My sister found out when she finished |
| 21:11.51 | Kirov | "finished" school that some of the graduate schools will let you take classes for free w/o tuition if you work for the school... so she did. |
| 21:12.14 | Shirik | that's what I'm doing too |
| 21:12.24 | Shirik | but only to get my masters |
| 21:12.25 | Shirik | then I'm gone |
| 21:12.46 | batrick | no doctorate shirik!? |
| 21:12.58 | Kirov | Lets see, my sister has a masters in philosophy, remote teaching, and business. |
| 21:12.59 | Shirik | maybe sometime in the future :P But I need money first |
| 21:13.20 | batrick | QQ |
| 21:13.21 | malreth | Shirik: always put money and hos first |
| 21:13.28 | batrick | ~malreth |
| 21:13.29 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 21:13.34 | batrick | how is that not fixed yet |
| 21:13.40 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate malreth |
| 21:13.41 | purl | Uh... No. Malreth scares me. |
| 21:13.56 | batrick | purl, no, malreth is <reply> never take malreth seriously |
| 21:13.57 | purl | cannot alter locked factoids, batrick |
| 21:14.01 | batrick | WHAT |
| 21:14.03 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 21:14.05 | malreth | ~fail batrick |
| 21:14.06 | purl | You suck at everything in life, batrick. I hate you because you fail. |
| 21:14.11 | batrick | =( |
| 21:14.19 | batrick | that's ok i'll add it to batbot later |
| 21:14.28 | Thunder_Child | wont be the same, and you know it |
| 21:14.32 | batrick | ya :( |
| 21:14.35 | batrick | but its a start |
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| 21:23.21 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder |
| 21:23.38 | foxlit | How sandboxed are firefox media plugins? |
| 21:24.55 | Amarande | sandboxing ftl |
| 21:25.17 | Amarande | yay. we have a 'computer'. a device that is designed to do all kinds of stuff and -integrate- said things with each other |
| 21:25.33 | Shirik | Amarande, you trust people way too much |
| 21:25.34 | Amarande | and yet, we must have spent more time over the last few years finding ways to keep said things NOT integrated with each other instead :S |
| 21:25.55 | foxlit | It's also about keeping track of what the heck things actually do |
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| 21:26.03 | Amarande | Shirik: it's still a sad commentary on computer development this decade that more effort seems to be put into new ways to restrict things than into new ways to achieve things |
| 21:26.30 | foxlit | And that has absolutely nothing to do with sandboxing. |
| 21:26.34 | sylvanaar | i didnt realize they were making an addon studio 2.0 |
| 21:26.48 | Amarande | it's why I 100% and continually condemn any and all Congressmen who try to pass laws requiring computers to have new hardware security features to protect copyright etc. |
| 21:26.55 | sylvanaar | you can get the source drops, and build it |
| 21:27.13 | Amarande | yay, so we can hold back the positive progression of computer technology by requiring them to stop and add legal features instead? :| |
| 21:27.20 | Amarande | ok, drifting off topic lol |
| 21:27.42 | breser | I'd argue that sandboxing is a way to allow untrusted code to still do things we want done. |
| 21:27.44 | Kirov | Amarande - I should point you to a TED conference talk |
| 21:27.45 | foxlit | Did you know: Flash 10 includes support for p2p content delivery |
| 21:27.59 | Amarande | TED? |
| 21:28.16 | Kirov | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/larry_lessig_says_the_law_is_strangling_creativity.html |
| 21:28.36 | foxlit | I'm mainly interested in whether that has to go through the host browser, or if we're basically running anything Adobe throws out there in a separate context without any actual checks on what it can and cannot do with network/disc/resource access. |
| 21:28.37 | Amarande | and yes, I tend to be one of those who is inclined to trust until I'm given a good reason not to |
| 21:28.51 | foxlit | Amarande: RunMeNow.exe |
| 21:29.23 | wereHamster | TrustMe.exe |
| 21:29.39 | Kirov | JolieNaked.exe |
| 21:29.42 | malreth | Amarande: sexleg.exe |
| 21:30.05 | wereHamster | FreeIPhones.exe |
| 21:30.32 | Thunder_Child | ~poop |
| 21:30.32 | purl | ACTION fertilizes the channel |
| 21:30.59 | amro | foxlit: AFAIK security sandboxing is handled by flash itself |
| 21:31.08 | amro | it has all sorts of complicated rules |
| 21:31.28 | Amarande | lol |
| 21:31.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Flash runs in both the browser and as a different process with elevated rights |
| 21:31.36 | foxlit | It has its own attempts at preventing XSS, but that's not quite what I'm interested in :) |
| 21:31.38 | Amarande | the problem with all of those is that the .exe name tends to be suspicious in and of itself |
| 21:32.05 | Amarande | now if it was something called, say, KB and six numbers .exe ... I'm not sure I'd avoid that virus :| |
| 21:32.06 | foxlit | Amarande: SoothingWaterfalls.scr |
| 21:32.24 | amro | I guess you haven't seen "New Folder.exe", with appropriate icon. and since 99% people have "Hide Extensions" ticked.... |
| 21:32.37 | Amarande | amro: I'm surprised people are still trying that trick |
| 21:32.43 | Amarande | I thought that trick went out with LIFE_STAGES |
| 21:32.47 | foxlit | [95.5% of all statistics are invalid in Florida] |
| 21:33.10 | Amarande | and now I should shut up, as I am probably making myself appear old |
| 21:33.11 | Amarande | lol |
| 21:33.18 | Amarande | to actually remember LIFE_STAGES, that is |
| 21:33.26 | amro | it works. people are still stupid |
| 21:33.27 | Thunder_Child | ~old Amarande |
| 21:33.36 | Thunder_Child | fail purl |
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| 21:34.41 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ "Gnome soup!" |
| 21:34.45 | Thunder_Child | i think someone wiped purl recently |
| 21:35.03 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: =) |
| 21:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | that was awesome, haha |
| 21:35.19 | malreth | what rhymes with syphilis? |
| 21:35.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Note to self: never ask what Blizzard has "cooked up" |
| 21:35.48 | selckin | Does anyone have some combatlogs from after last patch? bt/mh/sunwell prefered, so i can test something |
| 21:35.50 | cogwheel | at least i didn't say FIRST! ... hopefully he'll season me well :P |
| 21:35.54 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:36.11 | Shirik | is there any good documentation on the options frame, or should I just go digging through the source? |
| 21:36.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: in the 2.4 changes thread there is |
| 21:36.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: also the source files are well commented, iirc |
| 21:37.09 | Thunder_Child | malreth, http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/sy/syphilis.html second from the bottom |
| 21:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3291/2679036519_3edd3696f2_o.jpg |
| 21:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Win |
| 21:38.28 | Mikk | Shirik: Or use AceConfig3 |
| 21:38.37 | Shirik | no comment |
| 21:38.58 | wereHamster | ScytheBlade1: what are the achievenment points good for? |
| 21:39.05 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster: epeen |
| 21:39.21 | malreth | Thunder_Child++ |
| 21:39.44 | wereHamster | epeen? that word I don't know |
| 21:40.02 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster: heh, sorry. Showing off to others. "I'm better than you, check out my points" |
| 21:40.32 | Mikk | e-penis-size or so |
| 21:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 21:40.42 | wereHamster | what are the points awarded for and what can you use them for? |
| 21:41.02 | ScytheBlade1 | You can't use them for anything, and they're awarded as you complete acheivements |
| 21:41.21 | wereHamster | so something completely useless... |
| 21:41.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 17:40 < ScytheBlade1> wereHamster: heh, sorry. Showing off to others. "I'm better than you, check out my points" |
| 21:41.32 | ScytheBlade1 | More or less |
| 21:41.54 | kamdis | possible titles and vanity pets as rewards (but that's really still jsut showing off) |
| 21:41.55 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, the source code comments |
| 21:41.57 | Shirik | ... lol |
| 21:42.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: hmm? |
| 21:42.15 | Shirik | unless I'm reading the wrong file, there's practically nothing in them :P |
| 21:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 21:42.27 | Shirik | the black text actually hurts my eyes |
| 21:42.58 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/UIOptionsFrame.lua |
| 21:43.00 | ScytheBlade1 | 2/3 of the way down |
| 21:44.46 | Shirik | ok, seriously? |
| 21:44.52 | Shirik | Descriptive names are good and all |
| 21:44.58 | Shirik | but there's a limit to how long they should be, i.e., InterfaceOptionsControlsPanelAutoLootKeyDropDownLabel:SetText(LOOT_KEY_TEXT); |
| 21:45.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:45.15 | foxlit | That's just $parent abuse |
| 21:45.40 | Shirik | another reason XML is bad for you :P |
| 21:45.55 | foxlit | meh. |
| 21:46.22 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 21:46.34 | Shirik | there's a lot of long lines in here... |
| 21:48.42 | Shirik | oh I see ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:48.47 | Shirik | Iriel's post said UIOptionsPanel |
| 21:49.04 | Shirik | thanks |
| 21:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | sure |
| 21:49.22 | Iriel | It was probably my typo |
| 21:56.55 | Shirik | ADDON_LOADED occurs after all files have been processed, right? |
| 21:57.02 | Shirik | I can't believe I don't remember these things |
| 21:57.14 | Shirik | it's been too long since I've worked with the lower levels of these things, Conspiracy spoiled me :( |
| 21:57.35 | Kirov | ADDON_LOADED is after all files have been loaded, yes. |
| 21:57.40 | Kirov | for that addon |
| 22:02.48 | wereHamster | and after the SV have been loaded? |
| 22:03.37 | Shirik | I'm not really concerned about that, but my understanding about that is yes |
| 22:03.44 | Kirov | after the addonname.lua has loaded, yes, but not after the savedvariables.lua has loaded. |
| 22:04.27 | Arrowmaster | Kirov: saved variables is loaded too before ADDON_LOADED is fired |
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| 22:05.36 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - sequentially, yes. I guess my wording is bad. |
| 22:06.31 | Lunessa | Ok, work's over. Heading for movies. See you all tomorrow. |
| 22:09.18 | Industrial | haha this is so fun |
| 22:09.28 | Industrial | im standing on the cartwagon in SW next to the AH |
| 22:09.41 | Industrial | people ar whining for secret jumping methods and shit |
| 22:09.50 | Industrial | I offered a flask to the first one to get here |
| 22:09.52 | Industrial | hilarious |
| 22:10.00 | kamdis | so, how did you get there? |
| 22:10.15 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 22:10.49 | Shirik | wtb macros for Lua :( |
| 22:11.20 | Industrial | Shirik: what are macros, I don't understand it. I read about it with things like Scheme but I can't get a visual :P |
| 22:11.33 | Shirik | It's simple textual substitution |
| 22:11.38 | Shirik | for example, if you have #define foo 4 |
| 22:11.58 | Shirik | Then when you do "if (foo == 4)" it becomes "if (4 == 4)" before the compiler sees it |
| 22:12.20 | Shirik | obviously that's a simplistic example, there are much more complex things to do with macros |
| 22:13.16 | Industrial | make foo a table with a __call that returns 4 :P |
| 22:13.18 | Shirik | In particular, what I want is #define CheckString(x) assert(type(x)=='string', #x .. " must be a string") |
| 22:13.20 | Industrial | or something.... |
| 22:13.35 | Industrial | kamdis: The weapon master side has 2 boxes right next to the cartwagon. get on it and mount. jump to the tent/cloth part of the cartwagon as its lower.you have to really really fast with jumping after pressing forward. |
| 22:13.38 | Shirik | The trick being in that macro that in one case, the variable is used, and in another case, the NAME of the variable is used |
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| 22:15.20 | Industrial | right |
| 22:16.04 | Industrial | apparently pallies can jump it with speedhax from the ah side wooden platform |
| 22:16.50 | kamdis | Industrial: i will have to try that |
| 22:18.33 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: write me a lua module to print out variables and tables like wow does for saved vars |
| 22:18.48 | Shirik | that should be fairly simple |
| 22:18.51 | Shirik | why do you ask? |
| 22:19.10 | Arrowmaster | ok but could you make it alpha sort entires in hash tables? |
| 22:19.19 | Shirik | probably |
| 22:19.32 | Shirik | do you really want this? I'm kinda bored right now |
| 22:19.36 | Industrial | Write us an addon to visually explore tables ingame in a sheet format with columns for type and global name. |
| 22:19.42 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 22:20.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I agree |
| 22:20.06 | Industrial | like, in a tree structure :O |
| 22:20.07 | Arrowmaster | i have my WTF in a git repo, except wow has this tendancy to completely reorder hash tables when it saves the savedvars again even if nothing at all changed |
| 22:20.09 | Shirik | that would actually be kinda nice |
| 22:20.24 | Shirik | heh, so you want to keep it in the same order |
| 22:20.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 22:20.31 | Shirik | so it doesn't keep generating diffs like crazy |
| 22:20.56 | Arrowmaster | i already figured out how to use loadstring and setfenv to pull all the contents of a file into a clean table |
| 22:21.03 | Shirik | yeah I can do that fairly simple |
| 22:21.09 | ScytheBlade1 | git-pull and that's about all I know |
| 22:21.29 | Dashkal | git == <3 |
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| 22:21.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah the massive diffs from wow reordering the has tables are so annoying that i actually havent even commited anything to the repo yet, i just keep updating the stage |
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| 22:23.23 | sylvanaar | hey there already are addons to do that |
| 22:25.40 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: if a table is created and populated like from reading a saved var file and not edited can you tell from C if its a hash table or dict table? |
| 22:26.03 | Arrowmaster | i know once a table is changed to a hash table it can never be changed back right |
| 22:26.21 | Shirik | not exactly true; I mean, tables have two parts |
| 22:26.48 | Shirik | taking a step back actually, what do you mean by "hash table or dict table" |
| 22:27.21 | Arrowmaster | well { "abc", "def" } and { [1] = "abc", [2] = "def" } are not the same right |
| 22:27.25 | Shirik | rogjt |
| 22:27.26 | Shirik | right |
| 22:27.32 | Shirik | wait |
| 22:27.33 | Shirik | yes they are :) |
| 22:27.51 | Arrowmaster | i swore somebody told me they werent |
| 22:27.51 | Shirik | they're just two ways of creating the same table |
| 22:28.04 | Shirik | It should use the array part for both of those |
| 22:28.07 | Arrowmaster | and on larger tables the first would be faster to access |
| 22:28.21 | Shirik | well, easy way to find out |
| 22:28.31 | wereHamster | Arrowmaster: internally they aren't saved the same way |
| 22:28.40 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 22:28.42 | Shirik | Both of those should use the array part :/ |
| 22:29.03 | wereHamster | the first table is saved in the 'array' part, the second table in the 'hashmap' part of the lua table object |
| 22:29.20 | wereHamster | that is my understanding.. |
| 22:29.28 | Arrowmaster | mine too |
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| 22:29.58 | wereHamster | lua definitely makes optimizations on the first table |
| 22:30.21 | Shirik | lua> s = "t = { "..( [["a",]] ):rep(500).."};" f = assert(loadstring(s)); local n = collectgarbage"count"; f(); print(collectgarbage"count" - n); |
| 22:30.21 | lua_bot | Shirik: 5.505859375 |
| 22:30.22 | Arrowmaster | and that once you do something like insert a nil in the middle of the table it converts it to a hashmap and cant go back |
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| 22:31.40 | Shirik | lua> s = "t = {"; for x = 1, 500 do s = s .. "["..x.."] = \"a\"," end s = s .. "}"; f = assert(loadstring(s)); local n = collectgarbage"count"; f(); print(collectgarbage"count"-n); |
| 22:31.40 | lua_bot | Shirik: 20.0625 |
| 22:31.44 | Shirik | huh, so it does |
| 22:31.47 | wereHamster | see :) |
| 22:32.17 | wereHamster | we had this exact discussion a couple months back |
| 22:32.48 | Shirik | anyway, Arrowmaster, I'm not really aware of a good way to determine what part of the table an element exists in |
| 22:32.49 | Arrowmaster | and wow 2.0 changed the way saved vars were writen to take advantage of that |
| 22:32.57 | Shirik | though it shouldn't really concern yourself too much :) |
| 22:33.18 | wereHamster | Shirik: I don't think you can find that out, neither from lua nor from C |
| 22:33.46 | Shirik | well you can definitely figure it out. But it would take a ton of very dangerous C stuff :P Definitely not directly accessible |
| 22:34.21 | Shirik | It's possible to figure out in the same manner that it's possible for glider to control your character in game :P |
| 22:34.29 | wereHamster | including internal lua headers etc, I wouldn't recommend it unless it gives you a 1000% speed boost :) |
| 22:34.45 | Arrowmaster | lua> s = "t = { "..( [["a",]] ):rep(499).."[500]=\"a\" };" f = assert(loadstring(s)); local n = collectgarbage"count"; f(); print(collectgarbage"count" - n); |
| 22:34.46 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 5.544921875 |
| 22:34.49 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 22:35.42 | wereHamster | 499 "a"'s are saved in the array, the 500th in the hashmap |
| 22:37.13 | Iriel | The problem is that lua /tries/ to optimize table construction |
| 22:37.30 | Iriel | so if you use hash style, it allocates hash entries (this is only for literal table construction with {}) |
| 22:37.30 | Arrowmaster | lua> s = "t = { "..( [["a",]] ):rep(499).."[500]=\"a\" }; t[499] = nil; t[499] = \"a\";" f = assert(loadstring(s)); local n = collectgarbage"count"; f(); print(collectgarbage"count" - n); |
| 22:37.30 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 5.544921875 |
| 22:37.40 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 22:37.45 | Iriel | there is no intelligence involved |
| 22:38.03 | Iriel | { "a", "b", "c"} is a 3 array element table { [1] = "a", [2] = |
| 22:38.08 | Arrowmaster | i swore somebody said that it was all converted from array to hashmap if you used hashmap |
| 22:38.10 | Iriel | "b", [3]="c"} is a 3 hash element table |
| 22:38.34 | Iriel | though if you called the second table X and did X[4] = "d" afterwards lua would optimize it to an array |
| 22:38.43 | Arrowmaster | i guess this explains the oddity somebody found with blizzards saved var writer |
| 22:39.04 | Iriel | This only came into being with lua 5.1, so it didn't show up until TBC came out |
| 22:39.10 | Arrowmaster | wait |
| 22:39.20 | Iriel | which is why blizzard had to change their writer to try and output the array part in array style |
| 22:40.28 | Arrowmaster | lua> s = "t = {"; for x = 1, 499 do s = s .. "["..x.."] = \"a\"," end s = s .. "} t[500]=\"a\""; f = assert(loadstring(s)); local n = collectgarbage"count"; f(); print(collectgarbage"count"-n); |
| 22:40.29 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 20.0625 |
| 22:40.53 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: so why is that still the same? |
| 22:41.21 | Iriel | I was going to say the re-balancing only happens when it needs to allocate more space |
| 22:41.30 | Shirik | Yeah I was about to say, I only think that happens on powers of 2? |
| 22:41.43 | Iriel | so it depends how the hash has been constructed |
| 22:41.52 | Shirik | ah right, it's not an array here :/ |
| 22:42.00 | Arrowmaster | lua> s = "t = {"; for x = 1, 511 do s = s .. "["..x.."] = \"a\"," end s = s .. "} t[512]=\"a\""; f = assert(loadstring(s)); local n = collectgarbage"count"; f(); print(collectgarbage"count"-n); |
| 22:42.00 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 20.0625 |
| 22:42.12 | Arrowmaster | lua> s = "t = {"; for x = 1, 512 do s = s .. "["..x.."] = \"a\"," end s = s .. "} t[513]=\"a\""; f = assert(loadstring(s)); local n = collectgarbage"count"; f(); print(collectgarbage"count"-n); |
| 22:42.12 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 16.0625 |
| 22:42.16 | Arrowmaster | ah ha |
| 22:42.50 | Shirik | that still seems a little high |
| 22:42.57 | Shirik | but it's definitely packed some of it :) |
| 22:43.17 | Arrowmaster | lua> s = "t = { "..( [["a",]] ):rep(513).."};" f = assert(loadstring(s)); local n = collectgarbage"count"; f(); print(collectgarbage"count" - n); |
| 22:43.18 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 6.505859375 |
| 22:43.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah the other one barely grew when using 513 |
| 22:44.06 | Shirik | I wonder |
| 22:44.18 | Shirik | lua> s = "t = {"; for x = 1, 512 do s = s .. "["..x.."] = \"a\"," end s = s .. "} t[513]=\"a\""; f = assert(loadstring(s)); local n = collectgarbage"count"; f(); collectgarbage"collect" print(collectgarbage"count"-n); |
| 22:44.19 | lua_bot | Shirik: -377.123046875 |
| 22:44.21 | Shirik | uh |
| 22:44.21 | Iriel | stick s = nil in there |
| 22:44.23 | Shirik | ok don't do that |
| 22:44.23 | Iriel | if you really care |
| 22:44.30 | Iriel | you're currently including the length of your test string |
| 22:44.40 | Iriel | oh, that should be optimized out, never mind |
| 22:44.52 | Iriel | though you forgot to collect before the first measurement |
| 22:44.57 | Shirik | no, that's why I took the initial reading :) |
| 22:44.59 | Shirik | yeah I did |
| 22:45.20 | Shirik | lua> s = "t = {"; for x = 1, 512 do s = s .. "["..x.."] = \"a\"," end s = s .. "} t[513]=\"a\""; f = assert(loadstring(s)); collectgarbage"collect" local n = collectgarbage"count"; f(); collectgarbage"collect" print(collectgarbage"count"-n); |
| 22:45.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: 14.9541015625 |
| 22:45.26 | Shirik | not a real difference though |
| 22:46.24 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Do you care at all about memory usage by this script? |
| 22:46.37 | Shirik | I mean it shouldn't be obsessive, but still :) |
| 22:46.37 | Arrowmaster | but yeah somebody noticed blizzards saved var writing doing something like { \n "a", -- [1] \n "b", -- [2] \n [4] = "d" \n } |
| 22:46.41 | Iriel | Anyway, back to the main conversation |
| 22:46.51 | Arrowmaster | of the script? no but of the results when loaded by wow? yes |
| 22:47.03 | Iriel | lua tables happily get re-balanced every time an allocation needs to occur |
| 22:47.03 | Shirik | yeah the results will be optimized |
| 22:47.10 | Shirik | but the optimizing requires some memory usage by the script :) |
| 22:47.18 | Iriel | so the array/hash split can move each time |
| 22:47.36 | Iriel | I would just use #tbl |
| 22:47.59 | Iriel | Unless you want to be really paranoid, in which case read the lua source for the table allocator, and use their binary packing algorithm |
| 22:48.02 | Iriel | it'll be much slower |
| 22:48.11 | Iriel | but it'll let you produce what lua would have produced |
| 22:48.51 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: as long as the hash parts are alpha sorted the preformance shouldnt really matter because its not like its going to actually take any time right |
| 22:48.53 | Iriel | The memory footprint of a given table for wow is documented |
| 22:49.06 | Iriel | Sorting is irrelevant |
| 22:49.25 | Iriel | as long as the array part is the right size you'll be fine |
| 22:49.37 | Shirik | yeah but he wants it sorted for git |
| 22:49.39 | Arrowmaster | well the entire propose of the request was to sort for reducing diffs |
| 22:49.55 | Iriel | Ah, I see |
| 22:50.06 | Iriel | Do these data sets frequently have sparse arrays? |
| 22:50.17 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 22:50.30 | Iriel | i.e. keys 1,2,3,4,5,6, 8,9 |
| 22:50.34 | Iriel | ( a nil in the middle) |
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| 22:50.53 | Iriel | or is it always string keys? |
| 22:50.54 | Arrowmaster | its for all saved vars so probably not |
| 22:51.00 | Arrowmaster | most are probably string keys |
| 22:51.35 | Iriel | a decent 'canonical' form would likely be to make the consecutive numeric keys in array style |
| 22:51.39 | Arrowmaster | although i see a diff right now from Bagnon_Forever that has a table starting with { \n "6948", -- [1] |
| 22:51.40 | Iriel | and everything else hash style, sorted by key |
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| 22:51.52 | Arrowmaster | and having 3 array keys, then going to strings |
| 22:52.00 | Arrowmaster | and a mix of other numbers too |
| 22:52.07 | Iriel | that will give you array format for true arrays, and a predictable order always |
| 22:52.21 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: yeah that seems to be what blizzard does |
| 22:52.30 | Iriel | I think blizzard uses #t |
| 22:52.35 | Iriel | I'm sure i've gotten a nil in there before |
| 22:53.11 | Arrowmaster | actually ive seen one too |
| 22:53.34 | Iriel | But since #t isn't necessarily 'deterministic' |
| 22:53.41 | Iriel | unless you know the exact allocation state of the table |
| 22:53.46 | Iriel | it's not good for a canonicalizer |
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| 22:53.53 | Shirik | Yeah I have to agree with that |
| 22:54.11 | Shirik | I was intending to use ipairs, which would go to the first nil, then finish the rest of the numeric indices, then other keys in order |
| 22:54.23 | Shirik | which would /always/ be the same |
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| 22:55.09 | Iriel | that's exactly consistent with my earlier suggestion so I approve 8-) |
| 22:55.20 | Shirik | :) |
| 22:55.40 | Iriel | just remember numeric but non-integer keys |
| 22:55.40 | Shirik | though I do agree #t would be more efficient |
| 22:55.44 | Shirik | yup, took care of that already :) |
| 22:55.59 | Shirik | if type(v)=='number' and v >= 1 and floor(v) == v then -- Skip array-like indices, but mark in maxn |
| 22:56.17 | Iriel | of course |
| 22:56.28 | Iriel | if you're sorting your keys you already need to put all the keys into a table somewhere |
| 22:56.42 | Iriel | so you could always remove the ones you hit with ipairs, but that's not necessarily very efficient either |
| 22:56.45 | Iriel | so ignore me 8-) |
| 22:57.26 | Dashkal | Iriel: <3 |
| 22:57.35 | Dashkal | (just saw your 3.0 post) |
| 22:57.53 | Iriel | The <3 mostly goes to blizzard, i just write it up afterwards 8-) |
| 22:58.25 | Dashkal | In a nice, concise, easy to follow format |
| 22:59.32 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: You're ok if I impose the same restrictions as Blizzard, that is, no loops in tables and no tables as keys, right? |
| 22:59.33 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: what about numberic but not 1-inf keys? |
| 22:59.53 | Shirik | lua> 1/0 == math.floor(1/0) |
| 22:59.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 22:59.54 | Arrowmaster | yeah it would just be for loading saved vars |
| 22:59.58 | Iriel | Write a custom sort |
| 22:59.59 | Shirik | hm, guess I need to watch for that too :) |
| 23:00.04 | Iriel | that sorts numbers before strings |
| 23:00.10 | Shirik | yeah I intend to :) |
| 23:00.11 | Iriel | and just table.sort your lits of keys |
| 23:00.36 | Arrowmaster | so you doing this all in lua? |
| 23:01.09 | Shirik | yup |
| 23:01.14 | Arrowmaster | only reason i originally asked was because i thought it would be easyer in C if you had more info available about the table |
| 23:01.14 | Shirik | that's what you said you wanted :) |
| 23:01.49 | Shirik | it might be a tiny bit faster in C, but not really tbh |
| 23:02.07 | Shirik | there's too many lua operations required |
| 23:02.32 | Iriel | the only annoying part is writing the serializer |
| 23:09.22 | Arrowmaster | so how youd you do this? have a function that accepts a table and does the sorting and all, but calls itself when a value is a table? |
| 23:09.35 | Shirik | yup |
| 23:09.37 | Iriel | thats how I"D do it |
| 23:09.47 | Shirik | except I took one extra optional parameter |
| 23:09.50 | Iriel | You'd also put some kind of marker object in there if you needed to prevent loops |
| 23:10.04 | Shirik | and that as well, except I skipped that (hence my reason for asking :) ) |
| 23:10.06 | Arrowmaster | maybe also have a level as a parameter for number of tabs to prepend |
| 23:10.07 | Iriel | or use a 'seen' table |
| 23:10.19 | Iriel | I typically pass 'prefix' around instead of a tab count |
| 23:10.27 | Iriel | then you just output prefix before each line |
| 23:10.30 | Iriel | it's often cheaper |
| 23:10.31 | Shirik | But I also took a second parameter that simply asks for "line separator" so you can change "\n" or "\r\n" and it defaults to "\n" if you leave it out |
| 23:11.31 | Arrowmaster | that would be good, since i think if i use this as a git filter, the filter is called after it converts crlf to lf |
| 23:11.54 | Arrowmaster | ill have to doublecheck |
| 23:14.28 | Shirik | so while writing this, I've been standing right under the aldor elevator |
| 23:14.33 | Shirik | it's so fun to hear all the people die |
| 23:15.33 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:18.32 | Shirik | awww |
| 23:18.34 | Shirik | that one bubbled |
| 23:20.15 | Amarande | heh, you should hang out by the UC elevator |
| 23:20.31 | Amarande | not only do people die fairly often on that one, but they tend to be much more WTF? about it than people who fall off Aldor Rise |
| 23:20.56 | Arrowmaster | thats because they autorun into the closed door |
| 23:21.16 | Arrowmaster | or autorun once inside and get stuck on the wall |
| 23:21.46 | Shirik | when I autorun from the inside, I get dced when the door opens |
| 23:21.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh, it's kinda fun to load my mage up in Rawr and see a total of maybe four items that are better for me per slot |
| 23:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | And then load my druid up which has 80+ that would be better per slot |
| 23:23.45 | Amarande | hell, I even had a character die once on the UC elevator |
| 23:24.11 | ZealotOnAStick | just once? |
| 23:24.34 | ZealotOnAStick | There was a while .. .like, 2 patches, in the WoW beta that the UC elevators were broke badly. |
| 23:25.02 | Amarande | lemme guess, getting down into UC involved dying? |
| 23:25.33 | ZealotOnAStick | not all the time. |
| 23:25.59 | ZealotOnAStick | but sometimes they'd, like, reset position when you were partway up or down . . . |
| 23:26.45 | Shirik | hmm, here's a question |
| 23:26.52 | Shirik | how do you determine whether a number is a QNAN or an SNAN? |
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| 23:27.11 | Shirik | I just realized my algorithm won't work, which essentially boils down to doing SNAN == SNAN, which will never be true |
| 23:27.29 | Cide | tostring():match()? :P |
| 23:27.36 | Shirik | I guess |
| 23:27.43 | Arrowmaster | QNAN or SNAN? |
| 23:27.59 | Cide | although nan ~= nan, that's the best way to test it |
| 23:28.11 | Shirik | yeah, but how do you know if it's a QNAN or an SNAN :) |
| 23:28.13 | Shirik | i.e., which one |
| 23:28.18 | Shirik | >>> return 0/0, math.abs(0/0) |
| 23:28.19 | Cide | Shirik: -1.#IND, 1.#QNAN |
| 23:28.19 | Cide | they're both ~= themselves? |
| 23:28.33 | Shirik | Cide, how do I determine which one it is |
| 23:28.34 | Cide | >>> 0/0 ~= 0/0, math.abs(0/0) ~= math.abs(0/0) |
| 23:28.35 | Cide | Cide: true, true |
| 23:28.41 | Cide | bleh |
| 23:28.50 | Shirik | i.e., if I said "sort 0/0 before math.abs(0/0)" how do I know which one is first :) |
| 23:28.58 | Cide | >>> 0/0 == math.abs(0/0) |
| 23:28.59 | Cide | Cide: false |
| 23:29.01 | Shirik | I guess tostring is the only way |
| 23:29.01 | Cide | there you go :P |
| 23:29.09 | Shirik | how does that help >< |
| 23:29.35 | Cide | if ( value ~= value ) then if ( value ~= 0/0 ) then -- QNAN |
| 23:30.00 | Cide | or, explicitly, if ( value ~= value ) then if ( value == math.abs(0/0) ) then -- QNAN |
| 23:30.16 | Shirik | not true :) |
| 23:30.19 | Cide | why not? |
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| 23:30.43 | Shirik | >>> value = 0/0; print(value) --[[note: print says it is SNAN]] return (value ~= value) and (value ~= 0/0) |
| 23:30.43 | Cide | Shirik: true |
| 23:30.50 | Shirik | er |
| 23:30.55 | Shirik | >>> value = 0/0; print(value) --[[note: print says it is SNAN]] print( (value ~= value) and (value ~= 0/0)) |
| 23:30.55 | Cide | Shirik: -1.#IND, true |
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| 23:31.13 | Cide | good point |
| 23:31.27 | Cide | I'm tired |
| 23:31.36 | Cide | go with tostring imo |
| 23:32.00 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: can you even store those in saved var tables as keys? |
| 23:32.09 | Shirik | .... good point |
| 23:32.11 | Shirik | I don't think yo ucan |
| 23:32.15 | Cide | probably not |
| 23:32.27 | Shirik | >>> t = {}; t[0/0] = 1; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k,v) end |
| 23:32.37 | Shirik | >>> t = {}; t[math.abs(0/0)] = 1; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k,v) end |
| 23:32.38 | Cide | table index is NaN |
| 23:32.41 | Shirik | that solves that problem |
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| 23:34.10 | Arrowmaster | heh you can store almost everything in table keys except certain numbers (or not numbers) i guess |
| 23:35.10 | Shirik | funny thing is, you can still use those indices to access the table :) |
| 23:35.40 | Shirik | >>> t = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k) if k == nil then return "nil" end}); return t[nil] |
| 23:35.48 | Shirik | >>> t = setmetatable({}, {__index = function(t,k) if k == nil then return "nil" end end}); return t[nil] |
| 23:35.48 | Cide | Shirik: "nil" |
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| 23:40.39 | laeg | guys i just saw someone i ganked res without releasing spirit after 2 minutes |
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| 23:40.54 | laeg | that is i was able to target them and their name was in red text above their corpse |
| 23:40.59 | laeg | which usually means they haven't ressed |
| 23:41.18 | laeg | but they did res with the name still above their corpse and when i had them targetted |
| 23:41.22 | laeg | trinket/bug/hack? |
| 23:41.36 | Lopeppeppy | Any of the above? |
| 23:42.15 | Shirik | trinket,bug,hack,ankh,soulstone |
| 23:42.21 | Shirik | there's a million different answers |
| 23:42.26 | Shirik | I'd prefer "trinket,ankh,ss" tbh |
| 23:42.41 | laeg | it was a lock |
| 23:42.42 | Lopeppeppy | True, SS is pretty funky fun. |
| 23:42.44 | laeg | so it can be done? |
| 23:42.52 | Shirik | sure |
| 23:43.03 | Arrowmaster | did they res in the same place they died? |
| 23:43.08 | laeg | yes |
| 23:43.12 | Arrowmaster | then yeah probably SS |
| 23:43.15 | Dashkal | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22116 |
| 23:43.18 | laeg | their exactly where the body lay |
| 23:43.21 | laeg | cool thanks guys |
| 23:43.32 | laeg | she released this time so there must be a limit |
| 23:43.38 | laeg | i'm gonna smoke a cigarette and wait for her |
| 23:43.46 | Shirik | only 1 ss every 30 minutes :) |
| 23:44.26 | Dashkal | or this one: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19290 |
| 23:45.13 | kamdis | mmmTwistingNether |
| 23:45.39 | laeg | it's a blizzard oversight that you can check if the owner of a corpse of an opposing faction is still online by trying to add them as a friend |
| 23:45.46 | laeg | if they logged it says: player not found |
| 23:46.01 | laeg | if they're still online not getting their main etc it says: friends must be part of your alliance |
| 23:47.18 | amro | didn't they fix that a loooooooong time ago? |
| 23:48.03 | amro | it says player not found either way now |
| 23:49.19 | laeg | don't think so |
| 23:49.20 | laeg | work for me, just ganked her as she ran |
| 23:49.45 | Amarande | amro: wouldn't the proper fix be that it should say friends must be part of your alliance either way? |
| 23:50.56 | amro | that would tell you the name exists on the opposite faction |
| 23:51.03 | Gnarfoz | *sigh* |
| 23:51.07 | Gnarfoz | still no beta :( |
| 23:51.18 | Amarande | amro: and how is that a security issue? |
| 23:51.31 | Amarande | you could check just as easily by opening firefox and checking the armory :) |
| 23:52.15 | amro | it's not a security issue, blizzard goes to great lengths to make sure the opposite faction pretty much doesn't exist |
| 23:52.49 | Amarande | unless they make the armory require you to log in to look at anything, and bar you from looking at any characters on a faction on any server where you are the owner of one or more characters of the opposite faction |
| 23:53.09 | Amarande | which would be clunkier than tanking MH with an enhance shaman |
| 23:54.53 | Shirik | well Arrowmaster, my solution might actually work for tables with keys in them, I don't know, but it's just easier to write it this way :) |
| 23:55.16 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 23:55.17 | Shirik | in any case, I'm ignoring that case :) |
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| 23:55.54 | Shirik | Well to write down the names of the indexes, I did serialize(k) where k is the name. But if k is a table, it processes that table and turns it into a serializable string so... |
| 23:56.03 | Shirik | it might actually work, but not testing it :P |
| 23:56.47 | Shirik | actually that might not be valid syntax |
| 23:56.59 | Arrowmaster | table as the key? |
| 23:57.00 | Shirik | lua> t = {[{1,2,3}] = 4}; |
| 23:57.00 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
| 23:57.11 | Shirik | lua> t = {[{1,2,3}] = 4}; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k,v) end |
| 23:57.11 | lua_bot | Shirik: table: 0x665f60, 4 |
| 23:57.14 | Shirik | wow, it is valid |
| 23:57.26 | Shirik | so yeah, this thing can serialize tables with keys too :P Unintentionally, but it can |
| 23:57.35 | Shirik | er, tables with tables as keys |
| 23:57.46 | Shirik | sorry |
| 23:57.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah the sorting wouldnt work though |
| 23:57.54 | Shirik | yeah it wouldn't |
| 23:57.59 | Shirik | and I'm not bothering to fix that :P |
| 23:58.05 | Arrowmaster | i dont think it is fixable |
| 23:58.13 | Shirik | I don't think so either |
| 23:58.24 | Shirik | Unless you come up with some kind of rule to sort the tables |
