| 00:06.19 | alestane | I got them, but it took more time to get to some toons. |
| 00:06.49 | alestane | I'll see if I get one on my hunter when she hits 30. |
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| 00:13.37 | alestane | "final" is roughly Java's equivalent to "const"? |
| 00:14.42 | ckknight | alestane: whose const? |
| 00:14.46 | ckknight | C#'s? |
| 00:14.52 | ckknight | cause it's a yes and no thing |
| 00:15.04 | ckknight | final can be either const or readonly depending on the way you specify |
| 00:15.44 | alestane | I don't know C#. But of course C++ also uses const on things like member functions, and I don't think that applies to final. |
| 00:17.23 | Dashkal | alestane: final means "cannot be changed" or "cannot be overridden" depending on context |
| 00:17.48 | Dashkal | "cannot be changed" -> "cannot be assigned more than once" |
| 00:17.52 | alestane | Oh right, it means something different when applied to methods. |
| 00:18.02 | Dashkal | on a method it means a subclass may not override |
| 00:18.09 | Dashkal | on a class it means it may not be subclassed at all |
| 00:18.39 | Dashkal | Learning that keyword gave me a hell of a headache as I recall... |
| 00:18.47 | Duman | bleh |
| 00:19.07 | alestane | Does Java have an equivalent to the declaration of a method as being usable on a read-only instance of the class? |
| 00:19.16 | Dashkal | alestane: There is no such concept |
| 00:19.40 | Dashkal | It doesn't need to exist. If a class is immutable, it isn't being changed regardless |
| 00:20.00 | selckin | or you'd have a readonly interface or something |
| 00:20.04 | Dashkal | *nods* |
| 00:20.17 | alestane | Well, C++ supports the idea of mutable and immutable instances of the same class. |
| 00:20.26 | Dashkal | Basically rather than dealing with making a mutable class immutable with a keyword, they said hell with it. Make an interface or just use an immutable class if you want that |
| 00:20.49 | amro | alestane: C++ supports every idea there is =) |
| 00:20.53 | Dashkal | You can always make an interface that implements only the readXXX methods |
| 00:21.02 | alestane | So to emulate that behavior in Java, I'd create an immutable class and then subclass it into the mutable version? |
| 00:21.38 | Dashkal | alestane: That's one way to do it |
| 00:21.59 | selckin | interfaces is probably cleaner |
| 00:22.01 | alestane | amro: I only ever ran into one concept that C++ couldn't deal with, which was the time I wanted to subclass "int". |
| 00:22.19 | Dashkal | alestane: Switch to python :p |
| 00:22.44 | Dashkal | then again, python lets you subclass class... |
| 00:22.46 | alestane | Are you trying to kill me? |
| 00:23.03 | Dashkal | want to redefine 'inheritance'? |
| 00:23.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know of some unitframes that will scale debuffs based on who they belong to? player vs. others? |
| 00:24.02 | Dashkal | alestane: The most common method of approximating that that I've seen is the interface with only read methods, a sub-interface with writes, and implementations behind both (or even just the mutable) |
| 00:24.15 | alestane | I already know C, C++, Pascal, Lua, HTML/CSS, XML/XSLT, a few scripting languages, and I'm learning Java. Now I'm supposed to add another syntax-heavyt language to the mix? |
| 00:24.33 | Dashkal | but it usually just doesn't happen. A class is mutable or not and people use what they need. Needing a class to be both is rare in code I've seen. |
| 00:24.44 | wereHamster | alestane: you're missing cobol, ada |
| 00:24.49 | Dashkal | ada :p |
| 00:25.01 | Dashkal | Totally missing fortran |
| 00:25.04 | alestane | Who actually writes actively in those, with the possible exception of the DoD? |
| 00:25.05 | wereHamster | oh, JOVIAL as well |
| 00:25.15 | Dashkal | alestane: anybody contracting for the DoD |
| 00:25.21 | Dashkal | Those are big contracts |
| 00:25.31 | wereHamster | jovial, the language which is used in F16 and other military fighters and equipment |
| 00:25.36 | sylvanaar | Ada |
| 00:25.49 | amro | realtime languages get lots of usage in telecomms |
| 00:26.17 | Dashkal | There's also a couple assembly languages that might be useful. ARM gets some good use |
| 00:26.22 | alestane | Yes, because a while ago they decreed that all programming done for them would be done in a single language, so they wouldn't have to worry about having a whole flock of experts to review or debug code pesented to them. |
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| 00:26.36 | alestane | I used to know a little Motorola 68k assembly. |
| 00:26.51 | Dashkal | I once new the assembly for the old apple ][ |
| 00:26.54 | alestane | And I took an assembly course based on SPARC stations. |
| 00:26.56 | amro | alestane: ada is also pretty damn stable |
| 00:26.57 | Dashkal | never got my head around it |
| 00:27.11 | Dashkal | Ada is amazing for what it does. It makes it much more difficult to hang yourself |
| 00:27.27 | Dashkal | Now please keep that evil thing away from me so I can get work done :p |
| 00:31.50 | bleeter | how adre you guys forget LOLCODE |
| 00:31.53 | bleeter | *dare |
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| 00:32.34 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, the same way people "forget" how to torture |
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| 00:41.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: wow insider is reporting that the alpha is over. there any truth to this? (or can you not say?) |
| 00:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/07/15/wotlk-friends-and-family-alpha-now-over-say-sources/ |
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| 00:42.17 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: come on, you know better than that |
| 00:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: I dunnot, if it's over |
| 00:42.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: NDA might go poof too |
| 00:42.36 | ScytheBlade1 | *dunno |
| 00:42.44 | Guillotine | bleeter: ping |
| 00:42.50 | Cairenn | even IF sixen was in the alpha, he couldn't say that he was in it, thus he wouldn't be able to tell you whether it was over or not |
| 00:42.54 | Cairenn | :p |
| 00:43.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: Hortus posted publically saying that he is :) |
| 00:43.05 | Sixen | Exactly. |
| 00:43.05 | Sixen | NDA's . |
| 00:43.07 | Lunessa | I'll see your "don't know" and raise you a "http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/07/15/funny-pictures-bag-has-an-angry/" |
| 00:43.19 | bleeter | Guillotine: pong |
| 00:43.30 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: Hortus is Blizz staff |
| 00:43.36 | Guillotine | bleeter: This problem with GM tickets disappearing. Did you experience it yourself or just hear about it? |
| 00:43.49 | Sixen | Yeah |
| 00:43.49 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, NDA isnt lifted till open beta if there is one |
| 00:43.52 | Cairenn | what they are allowed to say or not say is not the same as what the general public is held to |
| 00:43.54 | bleeter | Guillotine: just heard about it. Titan's known to cause it, and apparently is updated to fix. |
| 00:43.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, TC answered that |
| 00:43.58 | Sixen | Hortus spoke about the Alpha in the PTR forums once, -_- |
| 00:44.11 | Guillotine | ah, that problem. Thanks :) |
| 00:44.35 | bleeter | Guillotine: I think other panel like stuff may also cause it, not really sure.. just heard references 3rd hand |
| 00:44.55 | Guillotine | nah, it just wasn't hiding it. The problem was it was showing it |
| 00:44.57 | Guillotine | and wouldn't hide it |
| 00:47.36 | Sixen | Anyway that wants to give it a sticky request/bump here and there, i'd appreciate it: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903748201 |
| 00:48.50 | Dashkal | Sixen: stick requested |
| 00:49.07 | Sixen | <3, thanks Dash. |
| 00:49.27 | Sixen | Hoping Hortus sees it before he heads off so he can tag it.. And then people will read it. |
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| 00:50.25 | Lunessa | Oh man... QuestHelper breaks and you'd thing the world ended for all thr QQ |
| 00:51.07 | Dashkal | OMG I actually have to think about my questing the world is OVER! |
| 00:51.21 | Thunder_Child | ~burp |
| 00:51.21 | purl | ACTION burps loudly |
| 00:52.46 | Lunessa | Actually, I'm leveling a new alliance shaman, and I decided that I couldn't stand thought of Astrannar or South Shore quests all over again, so I went to do the new content in Theramore. Good stuff. :) |
| 00:53.34 | Industrial | yeah the new dustwallow marsh is fun |
| 00:53.40 | JoshBorke | GD videos |
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| 00:54.10 | bleeter | agreed re: duswallow. I hope they tart up 'old' Dalaran similarly when wrath comes out |
| 00:54.10 | Sixen | Especially with Mounts, right? :P. |
| 00:54.29 | Esamynn | hehehe |
| 00:54.41 | Lunessa | Heh, mounts? No.. Ghost Wolf for the win. |
| 00:55.11 | Esamynn | cheap! |
| 00:55.39 | Industrial | costs mana actually :P |
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| 00:56.22 | Esamynn | Industrial: no really? who woulda thunk it! :P |
| 00:57.35 | Lunessa | For real fun, sit outside a town of the opposite faction in ghostwolf and watch people try to figure out why they can't invite you or talk to you. |
| 00:57.48 | Esamynn | haha |
| 00:57.56 | Corrodias | why, what does it do? |
| 00:58.17 | Lunessa | Nothing. You look just like every other gorram shaman. |
| 00:58.31 | Corrodias | ah |
| 00:58.50 | bleeter | hax! |
| 00:58.54 | Esamynn | Druids at least have different looks for each race |
| 00:59.01 | Lunessa | It's pretty common on my RP server to run with names off. So people assume I'm a horde shaman. |
| 00:59.09 | bleeter | indeed, lack of race for ghost-wolf is annoying |
| 00:59.18 | bleeter | er s/race/faction model/ |
| 01:00.29 | Esamynn | though it would be nice to NOT look like very other gorram NE Bear/Cat/Tree/Bird (whatever) |
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| 01:01.08 | Esamynn | RUN FOR YOUR LIVES |
| 01:01.15 | Esamynn | IT'S THE DARK TITAN! |
| 01:01.40 | bleeter | I assume you mean within the same faction, ie you could colour your feathers in bird form |
| 01:01.57 | Sargeras | rawr! who dare?! tastes like chicken! |
| 01:02.27 | Dashkal | bleeter: oh god that would be nice |
| 01:03.03 | Lunessa | I would like more gear-customization. |
| 01:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | I want a pwny |
| 01:05.01 | Esamynn | wouldn't it be nice if they added Druid form appearance customization in the form of Inscriptions? |
| 01:05.28 | Esamynn | maybe not the ideal vehicle, but I'd take it |
| 01:06.30 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Cairenn |
| 01:06.31 | purl | There, there, Cairenn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:07.51 | JoshBorke | ~emulate Josh_Borke |
| 01:07.52 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
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| 01:10.46 | Esamynn | ~whalenuke Sargeras |
| 01:10.47 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Sargeras with his mind powers. |
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| 01:11.17 | sylvanaar | and vespene gas |
| 01:11.45 | Lunessa | Best line EVAR - "its hard to weave a steady-shot rotation when some guy named Tiny is going beastial wrath on your ass. " |
| 01:11.50 | Sixen | Awww! |
| 01:11.54 | Sixen | They took the PTR forums down! |
| 01:11.55 | Sixen | :(. |
| 01:12.14 | kd3 | yay |
| 01:12.57 | Tekkub | where's that dick Bela |
| 01:13.09 | Tekkub | wowcompares is giving me 0-byte zips |
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| 01:25.54 | Guest442 | I have a cosmos ui question with the new patch |
| 01:26.01 | Lunessa | kd3: Did you mean to send the diffs twice? |
| 01:26.42 | kd3 | think gmail was acting up. that's the third report of that I've gotten |
| 01:26.51 | Sixen | Yeah |
| 01:26.55 | Sixen | You did send it twice, =P. |
| 01:26.56 | Ohcelous | My issue is with the Friends Fact mod |
| 01:27.12 | Thunder_Child | stop blaming gmail kd3 |
| 01:27.17 | Sixen | lol |
| 01:28.04 | Lunessa | No worries. Just wondering if there were diffs to the diffs. ;) |
| 01:28.26 | Lunessa | And Thunder_Child Don't you have traffic to be playing in? |
| 01:28.35 | kd3 | nah, nothing's changed since build 8600 |
| 01:28.45 | Lunessa | thanks man. |
| 01:28.52 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, shure, if that insult wasnt 50+ years old |
| 01:28.55 | Thunder_Child | sure* |
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| 01:29.26 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Meh, you don't irritate me enough to get fresh insults. You gotta make do with the stale, moldy one. Bish. |
| 01:29.33 | batrick_ | Shirik|AFK: ping! |
| 01:29.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i like stale insults |
| 01:29.57 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, ohhhh...you need iritation to get the good stuff huh.... |
| 01:30.06 | Thunder_Child | ok, i can do that |
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| 01:30.13 | Lunessa | You want the prize, you gotta earn it. |
| 01:30.27 | Thunder_Child | somehow i doubt the prize is worth it |
| 01:30.38 | Thunder_Child | 2nd rate stuff |
| 01:30.41 | Thunder_Child | as usual |
| 01:30.59 | Lunessa | This ain't no kewpie doll. |
| 01:31.17 | Thunder_Child | " Lunessa wonders how long we can keep this up before someone thinks there is real animosity." untill you said that moron |
| 01:31.24 | Lunessa | Fuckwit |
| 01:31.35 | Thunder_Child | really Lunessa? because i know what you do with dolls |
| 01:31.56 | Thunder_Child | and i would never want to touch one after you |
| 01:32.00 | Lunessa | I paint your name on them and use them for target practice? |
| 01:32.24 | Thunder_Child | see, thats just sick |
| 01:32.25 | NightHawkTheSane | well, Lunessa's half right.. ;) |
| 01:32.42 | Thunder_Child | no, i'm sure he puts my name on them as well.... |
| 01:32.56 | NightHawkTheSane | although i guess it depends on what kind of target practice we're talking about here |
| 01:33.02 | Lunessa | Bang! Another one bites the dust. |
| 01:33.07 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, you had it right the first time |
| 01:33.17 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, stop firing blanks |
| 01:33.35 | Lunessa | Are you kidding me? Magnum shells. |
| 01:33.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet he hears that a lot |
| 01:34.19 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, then at least aim in the general direction because you could fit an elephant in the space between what your aiming for and what your hitting |
| 01:34.39 | Lunessa | Large guns have large recoil. |
| 01:34.55 | Thunder_Child | of cource you may have already fin an elephant in there |
| 01:36.38 | Lunessa | I'm all about the endangers species. |
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| 01:37.43 | Thunder_Child | ya, like single women.... |
| 01:40.29 | AlexanderYoshi | Hear, hear! |
| 01:44.30 | Lunessa | Single women... that is an endangered species. Single, attractive, geeky and available ever more so. |
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| 01:45.29 | Nechckn | Esamynn|Away et al.. regarding Druid appearance- I thought it was based on harir color.. because I picked a shade super close to that of the cat/bear |
| 01:45.53 | Nechckn | needless to say, I was sort of angry when I found out otherwise. =( |
| 01:46.19 | Nechckn | Lunessa that is a tall order to fill... |
| 01:46.49 | Lunessa | Nechckn: Indeed. Indeed it is. |
| 01:46.54 | Arrowmaster | AlexanderYoshi: so funny story, i was about to make a post on the ui forums about string.format being broken but then discovered its actually broken in lua proper |
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| 01:56.22 | Shirik|AFK | batrick: ping |
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| 01:56.54 | Shirik | did you like the logs? |
| 01:57.12 | Shirik | it should say the last script before crashing is "for x = 1,5 do print(x) end" |
| 01:57.17 | Shirik | that script crashed it :D |
| 01:57.40 | kd3 | rofl; [Interesting] Los Angeles gangs fight global warming with carbon-friendly bike-by shootings |
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| 01:58.19 | Shirik | rofl |
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| 01:59.35 | batrick | Shirik: LuaTask caused the crash |
| 01:59.41 | batrick | technically wht you did was fine |
| 02:00.10 | batrick | fucking LuaTask let an unprotected error go through some how |
| 02:00.22 | batrick | What did you do to filumlunaris it no longer compiles |
| 02:00.38 | Lunessa | Wait, where's the outcry over the carbon footprint of gunpowder explosions? I mean... greenhouse gasses! |
| 02:00.40 | batrick | i want to change over im sick of luatask breaking |
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| 02:02.21 | Thunder_Child | ks3, lol |
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| 02:02.58 | Shirik | batrick: Actually, no |
| 02:03.03 | Shirik | there's a vulnerability in the interpreter as well |
| 02:03.09 | Guest60870 | I showed it to lhf at the conference |
| 02:03.11 | Guest60870 | oh my life |
| 02:03.17 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: how? |
| 02:03.36 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 02:03.53 | Shirik | I reduced it to a simplistic example |
| 02:03.56 | Shirik | let me get on my laptop |
| 02:04.22 | Shirik|Ecole | I should point out that it is NOT a crash |
| 02:04.29 | Shirik|Ecole | it's an unprotected error |
| 02:04.45 | Shirik|Ecole | though the entire interpreter is wrapped in a lua_cpcall so what happens is the interpreter exits with status code 1 |
| 02:04.55 | Shirik|Ecole | but fact of the matter is it's not supposed to exit :) |
| 02:05.19 | Shirik|Ecole | quick question before we start: lhf asked me to send him an email; know his address by any chance? |
| 02:06.59 | batrick | uh |
| 02:07.09 | batrick | it's on lua-l |
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| 02:07.47 | batrick | lhf@tecgraf.puc-rio.br |
| 02:08.01 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah got it |
| 02:08.42 | AlexanderYoshi | Lunessa, you are definately true. |
| 02:08.47 | AlexanderYoshi | Arrowmaster: nice |
| 02:09.17 | batrick | brb |
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| 02:11.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah you guys are off the hook this time although details of your compiler would be nice since wow gives a different result for string.format("%d", 2^32+1) than any of the 32bit windows binaries i have, although others have told me they get the same result wow does on 32bit windows |
| 02:12.22 | ScytheBlade1 | In case anyone is curious |
| 02:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Does bad things |
| 02:12.33 | Shirik|Ecole | Arrowmaster: You can use %f |
| 02:12.37 | kd3 | nowai |
| 02:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | TRUE STORY. |
| 02:12.45 | Drundia | old news |
| 02:12.46 | Shirik|Ecole | specifically, string.format("%.0f", n) should be acceptable |
| 02:12.54 | Arrowmaster | i know |
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| 02:13.12 | Arrowmaster | but theres no alternative for %x or %o |
| 02:13.21 | Arrowmaster | which this lua bug also effects |
| 02:13.40 | Drundia | WorldFrame is evil in that it captures all keypresses |
| 02:13.54 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: yes, yes it does. |
| 02:14.12 | Arrowmaster | the guys in #lua got confused over it too because from what they could tell 64bit systems shouldnt give the result they do |
| 02:18.10 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: when are you going to fix filum? |
| 02:18.24 | batrick | I don't really know what you were trying to do |
| 02:18.31 | Shirik|Ecole | uh |
| 02:18.33 | Shirik|Ecole | soon :) |
| 02:18.41 | Shirik|Ecole | Arrowmaster: I don't think it would technically be considered a bug |
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| 02:19.14 | batrick | !lua newproxy |
| 02:19.17 | batbot | batrick: > nil |
| 02:19.42 | Shirik|Ecole | good solution :) |
| 02:20.01 | Shirik|Ecole | you could also remove debug.setmetatable |
| 02:20.04 | batrick | nah |
| 02:20.07 | Shirik|Ecole | but that's fun |
| 02:20.12 | Shirik|Ecole | newproxy() has limited uses |
| 02:20.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik|Ecole: 2 guys in #Lua thought that it should probably be passing %lld to sprintf instead of %d |
| 02:20.30 | Shirik|Ecole | I'm fairly certain %lld is not allowed in Lua |
| 02:20.33 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 02:20.36 | Shirik|Ecole | I see what you mean |
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| 02:24.51 | Thunder_Child | ~lart batrick |
| 02:24.51 | purl | shoves a crumpet down batrick's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 02:25.14 | batrick | wut |
| 02:25.31 | Tem | I hate Naj'entus |
| 02:25.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: I love that fight, it's almost a straight mindless DPS burn as a mage ;D |
| 02:26.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know what addon this is by chance? http://74.220.202.37/~defenest/forums/images/misc/yoyo_bags.jpg |
| 02:26.10 | Tem | I'm a healer |
| 02:26.18 | Tem | so I have to be bothered with loads of raid damage |
| 02:26.21 | batrick | For those who cares, any time a function returns, GC may perform a step of garbage collection. so to dispell earlier myths, you don't have to create garbage to collect it |
| 02:26.22 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, that would probably burn |
| 02:26.40 | batrick | this also happens anytime a vararg is called |
| 02:32.39 | Shirik|Ecole | batrick, would you like me to send you a copy of the email I just sent to lhf with details on the interpreter problem? |
| 02:32.49 | Shirik|Ecole | it's nothing major, and I don't think it's really your problem now that I think about it |
| 02:33.01 | Shirik|Ecole | but it's the same idea between you and the interpreter |
| 02:33.15 | Shirik|Ecole | you should have seen it earlier, though, batrick |
| 02:33.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I injected code into your garbage collector so that EVERY time you did anything complex, you'd get random stuff printed out :D |
| 02:33.39 | batrick | Shirik|Ecole: sure |
| 02:33.50 | Shirik|Ecole | because you can't clean it out :) |
| 02:34.26 | Shirik|Ecole | remind me of your address? |
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| 02:37.12 | Shirik|Ecole | I tried to do it to WoW's code too, but unfortunately there is no debug.setmetatable, and I had trouble finding a userdata that is both collectable and has a metatable to mess with |
| 02:37.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Iriel, we missed you at the conference |
| 02:40.11 | Shirik|Ecole | also, batrick, give me a way to restart batbot! |
| 02:40.28 | Shirik|Ecole | seeing "permission denied" all over the place is not condusive to an intelligent working environment |
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| 02:40.55 | batrick | :S |
| 02:41.06 | batrick | later im kinda busy |
| 02:41.14 | Shirik|Ecole | but give me your email |
| 02:41.38 | Newpatch | Is anyone else here having problems with their social window in WoW |
| 02:42.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Newpatch: it's a cosmos addon that is doing it... can't recall the name of it off the top of my head |
| 02:42.11 | Shirik|Ecole | I heard something mentioned about that earlier |
| 02:42.23 | bleeter | friendsfacts, iirc |
| 02:42.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Friends something |
| 02:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That's it |
| 02:42.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Disable Friendsfacts and it'll work |
| 02:42.34 | Newpatch | ok tyvm guys |
| 02:42.57 | bleeter | yay! offpeak rolling restarts for Oceania! |
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| 02:43.14 | bleeter | Boo! Using PDT time to say when the Oceanic restart will happen :/ |
| 02:43.26 | bleeter | they've managed to use Aussie time once, so I know they can do it ;) |
| 02:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know if I've even seen more country based hatred before than I have on the Oceanic forums |
| 02:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | "Btw, learn to spell, stupid produt of American schools." |
| 02:45.13 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: in which direction? |
| 02:45.26 | ScytheBlade1 | "Although i would like to point out that in american schools disgruntled students bring guns and shoot people, in Australian schools they just beat the crap out of people." |
| 02:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly "lol america" |
| 02:45.45 | bleeter | and why the hell not, we're the best ally the US has |
| 02:45.58 | bleeter | if they can't stand a li'l heat from their best friend... pfft ;) :P |
| 02:46.32 | bleeter | also, I'll just mention, that many non-Aussie/Kiwis just simply don't get our sense of humour |
| 02:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just entertaining seeing one in every four posts at least trying to insult an entire country |
| 02:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lolinternetflameware? |
| 02:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | s/ware/war/ |
| 02:49.23 | bleeter | yeah, well i agree that a post in an attempt to insult the US is fairly pointless, as history shows the US is perfectly capable of insulting it's own citizens without external assistance ;) :P |
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| 02:54.44 | thedarkhaze | Is anyone here affiliated with cosmos? |
| 02:55.15 | AnduinLothar | disable FriendsFrame |
| 02:55.19 | thedarkhaze | no |
| 02:55.20 | thedarkhaze | I fixed it |
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| 02:55.27 | thedarkhaze | that's the problem I want to register on cosmos |
| 02:55.31 | thedarkhaze | but it doesn't work so I can't post my fix :( |
| 02:55.31 | bleeter | fixed, or worked around? |
| 02:55.44 | AnduinLothar | i have it fixed already. Our server is being retarted |
| 02:55.59 | alestane | retarded, or restarted? |
| 02:56.05 | AnduinLothar | cant access svn, can't login. i have the sys admin doing an svn repair atm |
| 02:56.21 | AnduinLothar | but it's been going for 30 min |
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| 02:56.29 | thedarkhaze | iono I'm just trying to register on the forums <_< |
| 02:56.40 | alestane | I've come to three conclusions about the new patch UI-wise: |
| 02:56.41 | thedarkhaze | and I've been trying for iono the last 4 hours or so? |
| 02:56.58 | alestane | Not everyone likes the new clock. |
| 02:57.02 | AnduinLothar | it's been down for at least a week |
| 02:57.09 | thedarkhaze | :( |
| 02:57.19 | alestane | There is an issue with the GM ticket interface. |
| 02:57.29 | alestane | QuestHelper broke in a big way. |
| 02:57.45 | Tenchworks | questhelper broke? |
| 02:57.54 | Tenchworks | I haven't had a chance to log on yet |
| 02:58.49 | alestane | THere are only about forty threads devoted to complaining about how it broke or asking how to fix it. One of them might have an answer; I don't use it and didn't really care. |
| 02:58.51 | farmbuyer | There's a fix posted for questhelper. I don't use it myself but happened to see it go by on the forums; I think a couple lines get commented and it's done. |
| 02:59.19 | bleeter | i've heard similar |
| 02:59.28 | Tenchworks | what do you mean when you say in a big way? what too amny ppl crying about it's loss? |
| 03:00.06 | farmbuyer | Had to turn off the new clock. (Amusing note: the checkbox for "show clock" should not be right next to the checkbox for "show cloak".) |
| 03:00.18 | bleeter | haha |
| 03:01.28 | bleeter | don't get me started on the UI design there... ok, I started myself. the word 'show' is either redundant, or should be in the tooltip. Waste of screen space ;) |
| 03:07.52 | Thunder_Child | i dont think Jumpgate Evolution is going to work out well, a Trading based MMORPG just doesnt seem...fun |
| 03:08.09 | Shirik|Ecole | trading-based? |
| 03:08.17 | Thunder_Child | "There'll also be a dash of combat, but as you travel through the jumpgates of the title, your primary concern will be business and trading." |
| 03:08.29 | Thunder_Child | it's a space mmo |
| 03:08.32 | Shirik|Ecole | hm |
| 03:08.39 | Shirik|Ecole | there IS a niche for it |
| 03:08.43 | Shirik|Ecole | sounds a lot like SWC |
| 03:08.52 | Shirik|Ecole | which has a couple thousand or so |
| 03:08.55 | Thunder_Child | there was little combat in SWC? |
| 03:08.56 | Shirik|Ecole | I couldn't stand it personally |
| 03:09.02 | Thunder_Child | s/was/is/ |
| 03:09.03 | Shirik|Ecole | I saw very little! |
| 03:09.08 | Shirik|Ecole | there can be, I guess |
| 03:09.11 | Shirik|Ecole | it depends on how you played |
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| 03:09.40 | Thunder_Child | does this way what i think it does |
| 03:09.42 | Thunder_Child | "There are also some cool community-oriented features, such as the Flash-based interface that modders will be able to tweak and adapt." |
| 03:09.59 | NightHawkTheSane | flash-based interface? |
| 03:10.09 | NightHawkTheSane | thats.. going to make me cry.. isn't it |
| 03:10.12 | Thunder_Child | they cant be talking about a UI...can they? |
| 03:10.30 | |Yssaril| | its a sidecroll MMO :P |
| 03:11.03 | Thunder_Child | here is the story if you want to browse it http://e3.gamespot.com/story.html?sid=6193849&pid=941600 |
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| 03:14.52 | Arrowmaster | how is a flash based modable interface even possible? |
| 03:15.26 | Thunder_Child | i can only imagine they are talking out of game |
| 03:15.37 | Thunder_Child | but it sounds odd indeed |
| 03:15.57 | Arrowmaster | even out of game, flash based and modable dont really go together very well |
| 03:16.11 | Shirik|Ecole | embed Lua in flash!! |
| 03:16.27 | farmbuyer | *twitch* |
| 03:16.39 | Shirik|Ecole | You can call it "Flua" |
| 03:17.57 | Thunder_Child | ~flua |
| 03:17.58 | purl | Shirik's retarded fusion of Flash and Lua. |
| 03:18.12 | AlexanderYoshi | hahah |
| 03:18.22 | kd3 | rofl |
| 03:19.57 | Shirik|Ecole | so win |
| 03:21.30 | NightHawkTheSane | im kinda scared that this has come up enough to have that made. |
| 03:21.54 | selckin | makes me think of netdiaspora |
| 03:22.03 | Thunder_Child | i just made it now NightHawkTheSane |
| 03:23.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: damn, and i almost had hope for you |
| 03:23.34 | Thunder_Child | what hope? |
| 03:24.14 | NightHawkTheSane | exactly |
| 03:35.26 | kd3 | whee, char list went splat on ruin |
| 03:37.42 | bleeter | yeah, some battlegroups are having major issues atm |
| 03:38.32 | bleeter | oh, there's your post on the Ruin CSF thread, kd3 ;) |
| 03:38.39 | bleeter | was about to direct you in it's direction hehe |
| 03:38.47 | bleeter | .. er.. point you in |
| 03:38.52 | kd3 | lol |
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| 03:47.54 | Shirik|Ecole | night all |
| 03:48.13 | batrick | gnight |
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| 04:13.46 | bleeter | whoa? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903748242&sid=1 |
| 04:14.13 | bleeter | stairs outside BT and SWP are failing to 'work as intended' (ie, can't walk up them) |
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| 04:19.47 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: HAHAHA |
| 04:20.06 | Arrowmaster | the best part is theres a common trait to all the posters reporting it |
| 04:20.18 | bleeter | god, I just had problems walking up the IF AH steps |
| 04:20.20 | bleeter | as a dwarf |
| 04:20.28 | Arrowmaster | female dwarf? |
| 04:20.32 | bleeter | yup |
| 04:20.35 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 04:20.36 | bleeter | oO all females??1 |
| 04:20.40 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 04:20.47 | bleeter | saggy boobies? |
| 04:20.51 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 04:21.06 | Guillotine | wait, what happened? |
| 04:21.14 | Arrowmaster | if this is only effecting female characters this is the best bug ever |
| 04:21.22 | bleeter | female toons are having trouble walking up stairs |
| 04:21.29 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903748242&sid=1 |
| 04:21.30 | Guillotine | hahaha >< |
| 04:21.54 | Guillotine | wow |
| 04:21.55 | Guillotine | just wow |
| 04:26.17 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man. |
| 04:26.19 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 blizzard |
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| 04:30.36 | digmouse | wish it doesnt happen to my NE |
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| 04:31.15 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt? |
| 04:31.58 | Arrowmaster | that kinda contradicts bleeters post edit though doesnt it? since isnt 50% of the alliance population female NE |
| 04:32.11 | digmouse | oh no |
| 04:32.33 | bleeter | digmouse: male or female NE? and which steps? |
| 04:33.14 | digmouse | bleeter: I mean I "wish" |
| 04:33.26 | digmouse | I do not have that patch yet |
| 04:33.32 | selckin | test |
| 04:33.45 | digmouse | you succesee sleckin |
| 04:33.49 | digmouse | *success |
| 04:34.11 | bleeter | selckin: no, it doesn't work... can't see it at all |
| 04:37.25 | bleeter | yay for failboat time! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903708971 |
| 04:37.35 | kd3 | that the wowscape thread? |
| 04:37.36 | kd3 | rofl |
| 04:37.40 | bleeter | yeah |
| 04:38.14 | bleeter | so glad, hadn't seen any totally true fail on CSF for some time, was getting worried that the avg IQ of WoW players had gone up a li'l |
| 04:40.36 | Dashkal | oh that's gold... |
| 04:40.58 | selckin | wonder if he'll get banned |
| 04:41.39 | Dashkal | For the post alone, I'd doubt it, but I'm sure his warden logs are about to get some real attention. |
| 04:43.56 | Dashkal | ok, what changed in this patch that my vendor frames are fucking up? Some items not showing their name |
| 04:47.07 | digmouse | I almost rofl to the stairs issue |
| 04:48.15 | Thunder_Child | http://www.rlslog.net/man-arrested-for-taking-over-san-francisco-network/ |
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| 04:54.44 | Arrowmaster | yeah i already saw that and im seriously questioning the competence of everybody else right now, if they have physical access to the system and still cant get admin access something is majorly wrong |
| 04:55.19 | selckin | encryption? |
| 04:55.40 | Arrowmaster | not really an issue |
| 04:56.11 | selckin | it can be |
| 04:56.44 | Arrowmaster | not unless the entire drives are encrypted and he changed those passwords |
| 04:57.19 | selckin | not uncommon |
| 04:58.14 | Arrowmaster | thats not the case though because in a large system thats perty easy to get past |
| 05:00.40 | Thunder_Child | if the system is using some kind of propriatry (sp?) software than it might be easier to get the pw then wipe it and do it from scratch |
| 05:00.40 | batbot | Thunder_Child, nothing found. |
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| 05:02.03 | Arrowmaster | yeah but they have physical access to the stored password |
| 05:02.37 | Thunder_Child | one would assume the pw is encrypted though.. |
| 05:02.48 | Arrowmaster | perty easy to just replace it with an unecrypted one, or a known encrypted one |
| 05:03.23 | Thunder_Child | really? can you replace the pw on any program with one of your own making? |
| 05:03.31 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: if it's a closed system it isn't obvious where the pw _is_ |
| 05:04.08 | Arrowmaster | they either designed and created the system or paid somebody to that better damn well know how to |
| 05:06.33 | Dashkal | conjecture: it's an OTS solution and the company that made it isn't helping citing trade secrets? |
| 05:07.34 | Thunder_Child | they dont have to give away secrets to go aquire the pw |
| 05:07.37 | Arrowmaster | then i would really be laughing |
| 05:07.48 | Arrowmaster | using an OTS solution for a system that important |
| 05:07.59 | Dashkal | Wouldn't be the first tiume :p |
| 05:08.40 | Dashkal | though there is some logic to using OTS solutions for major components. If it wasn't just designed from scratch it may (presumanbly) be more secure due to maturity |
| 05:09.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah but when you say OTS it emplys purchaced with no support contract |
| 05:09.55 | Dashkal | Don't ever assume the IP people in a large organization are smart... |
| 05:09.59 | Dashkal | IT* |
| 05:10.56 | Dashkal | Not disaggreeing that the situation is really really stupid. I'm just not all that surprised |
| 05:12.47 | Zurik | Guill you around? |
| 05:17.21 | Thunder_Child | Zurik, he might not have guill pingable, try Guillotine |
| 05:17.55 | Guillotine | for the future for anyone, TC is right |
| 05:18.02 | Guillotine | if you need me, try Guillotine ;) |
| 05:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 05:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903659067&sid=1&pageNo=12#226 |
| 05:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | " What is with these rumors of the nightfall BG not having the correct drivers on the servers to be compatible with WOTLK and being shut down? " |
| 05:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Man people are stupid |
| 05:21.09 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, yes |
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| 06:22.18 | |Yssaril| | anyone know of a quest that has an event type of requirement? |
| 06:22.31 | kd3 | event such as? |
| 06:23.00 | |Yssaril| | no idea :P http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetQuestLogLeaderBoard is what i am looking at |
| 06:24.07 | kd3 | probably something like "The Relic's Emanation"? quickest one I can think of |
| 06:24.49 | kd3 | or rescuing the prisoners up in skettis? |
| 06:25.01 | |Yssaril| | hmm that might work thanks |
| 06:25.29 | Tekkub | yea, escorts are prolly you best bet |
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| 06:28.32 | Guest117 | is anyone having a problem with their social bar while using cosmos? |
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| 06:39.57 | Thunder_Child | "This takes place in the mythical land called France..." |
| 06:40.22 | kd3 | is that like wyoming? I keep hearing it exists yet I don't know anyone there |
| 06:40.47 | Thunder_Child | i might be, i have not heard of this wyoming you speak of |
| 06:41.18 | kd3 | yay for flcl music... "Rever's Edge (B-6)" |
| 06:41.25 | Tekkub | oh god... Nessingwary.... "Look out Fitz, they're coming right for us!" *fires at a talbuk* |
| 06:46.09 | Industrial | kd3: furi kuri :O? |
| 06:46.13 | kd3 | yes indeed |
| 06:46.17 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 06:46.24 | kd3 | picked a random CD out of my collection earlier this evening |
| 06:46.43 | Industrial | I'm watching bokura ga ita atm |
| 06:46.51 | kd3 | I saw about 3 eps of it |
| 06:47.05 | kd3 | I then assumed it continued in the vein of kgne and dropped it |
| 06:47.08 | Industrial | I like the style |
| 06:47.14 | Industrial | yeah its just a love story |
| 06:47.32 | kd3 | love stories I can do. I <3 kknj |
| 06:47.41 | Industrial | oh, got anything I haven't watched yet? :P http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Industrial&order=4 |
| 06:47.44 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 06:47.51 | kd3 | I'm on there as Kaydeethree |
| 06:47.56 | kd3 | need to update, it's been a few months |
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| 06:48.30 | Industrial | k |
| 06:48.30 | kd3 | hayate is <3, mai hime's good, otwins is <3, kanokon is rofl |
| 06:48.34 | Thunder_Child | lol Industrial, i see you watched death note |
| 06:48.40 | Thunder_Child | dropped |
| 06:48.42 | Thunder_Child | i mean |
| 06:48.48 | Industrial | i stopped at 20 or so :P |
| 06:49.05 | Thunder_Child | i'm at 9 and kinda stalled, it's not really my thing |
| 06:49.12 | Industrial | thought it was rediculous |
| 06:49.14 | kd3 | you've got some odd series to drop |
| 06:49.30 | Industrial | I like the evil schemes and smart plans but it goes really retarded |
| 06:49.31 | Sixen | I hate wimmenz, QQ. |
| 06:49.34 | kd3 | azumaga first among them |
| 06:49.40 | Industrial | "what if I kill myself and then ..." |
| 06:50.03 | Industrial | kd3: yes but .. it was also too retarded lol |
| 06:50.28 | Industrial | I <3 gundam series tho |
| 06:50.40 | Industrial | and lots of mecha |
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| 06:51.13 | Tressa | Any of the Cosmos people around? My patcher doesn't have a list of distros availabl so I can patch my addons. |
| 06:52.46 | bleeter | I seem to recall one of the cosmos guys saying earlier he was having a hell of a time accessing the server that hosts his stuff atm |
| 06:53.02 | bleeter | hence having issues updating stuff |
| 06:53.11 | Tressa | Ah ok |
| 06:53.23 | kd3 | gack, it's nearly 3 am |
| 06:54.01 | Industrial | kd3: do you know akira? |
| 06:54.08 | Industrial | s/knig/like/ |
| 06:54.15 | Industrial | asdf, know* |
| 06:54.25 | Thunder_Child | they are coming out with a live action akira movie |
| 06:54.32 | kd3 | I've got the dvd, haven't watched it in years. it's a very good movie, deserving of the praise, but the manga explains a lot more |
| 06:54.42 | Industrial | check Roujin Z |
| 06:54.44 | kd3 | a hell of a lot more |
| 06:54.56 | Thunder_Child | and dicaprio is playing akira |
| 06:55.02 | Industrial | its an old one too, about an evolving bed -_^ |
| 06:55.04 | kd3 | check my list. pretty sure I've got akira rated pretty high |
| 06:55.12 | Thunder_Child | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1134795/ |
| 06:55.15 | kd3 | my tastes are fairly varied |
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| 06:55.21 | Tressa | Akira was the first Anime movie I ever saw |
| 06:55.37 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.37 | Tressa | and 10 years later it is still one of my favourites |
| 06:55.42 | Industrial | so im totally hooked on gundam :P |
| 06:55.59 | Industrial | cept the older stuff and the new gundam |
| 06:56.11 | Industrial | couldnt appreciate it as much as wing, seed, seed destiny and x |
| 06:56.32 | kd3 | g00 was ok. the original gundam was good for the time, but since we're all used to the tropes nowadays it feels dated |
| 06:56.36 | Arrowmaster | wing was crap compared to seed |
| 06:56.40 | kd3 | I'm a very big fan of 08th ms teem |
| 06:56.44 | kd3 | I didn't like seed all that much |
| 06:56.49 | kd3 | s/teem/team/ |
| 06:56.53 | Arrowmaster | 00 was fucking awesome though |
| 06:56.55 | Industrial | well wing was much older then seed |
| 06:57.10 | kd3 | wing aired in... 97? on toonami? |
| 06:57.10 | Arrowmaster | wing is newer than seed |
| 06:57.12 | Thunder_Child | the only anime i really ever enjoyed was saiyuki |
| 06:57.16 | Industrial | I really didnt like 00 because of the whole story about fighting war with war that seems rediculous |
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| 06:57.18 | kd3 | no, no it isn't |
| 06:57.28 | Industrial | wing is 1997 or so, seed is 2001 i think |
| 06:57.31 | kd3 | ^ |
| 06:58.06 | Industrial | I love the story in wing and how you get to see political, war vieww and close up destruction and mayhem view :p |
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| 06:59.11 | Arrowmaster | hmm why the hell was i thinking wing was newer |
| 06:59.13 | Tekkub | why, as a pally, do I feel the constant need to jump |
| 06:59.35 | Arrowmaster | i disliked the story in wing, it seemed too shallow |
| 06:59.38 | kd3 | wing has next to no cg. there's no way you can think of it as newer. hell. one of the things that annoys me today about wing is all the recycled animation |
| 07:00.11 | Industrial | I like it better when its all drawn tho compared to the computer ships in seed |
| 07:00.31 | kd3 | anyway, bed. it's now 3 am and I don't want to get drawn into an anime discussion |
| 07:00.42 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 07:00.46 | Arrowmaster | pff |
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| 07:00.57 | Arrowmaster | come on now lets talk macross |
| 07:01.08 | Industrial | I liked macross plus :D |
| 07:01.16 | Industrial | was.. or.. was that the one with the island girl? |
| 07:01.27 | Arrowmaster | plus has one of the best scenes ever |
| 07:01.29 | amro_ | ~stab ATI |
| 07:01.30 | purl | ACTION runs at ATI with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 07:01.36 | Arrowmaster | zero was on the island |
| 07:01.46 | Industrial | oh then i liked zero very much |
| 07:01.56 | Industrial | good story etc |
| 07:02.02 | Arrowmaster | the first flight in the new fighter in plus was fucking awesome |
| 07:02.05 | Industrial | I prefer the gundam technology tho |
| 07:02.17 | Industrial | instead of a jet fighter with.. legs :D |
| 07:02.34 | Thunder_Child | a transformer? |
| 07:02.41 | Industrial | half, it only has legs |
| 07:02.42 | Industrial | :p |
| 07:02.52 | Arrowmaster | it has arms too |
| 07:04.01 | Industrial | blah i have to o and wake up at patch time |
| 07:04.06 | Industrial | 2 more hours :3 |
| 07:04.53 | Arrowmaster | but the scene in plus where they think hes just completely fucking around flying around all over the first time hes in the new jet but hes really drawing a huge design with the contrails is the best scene in an anime ever |
| 07:05.11 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Industrial |
| 07:05.11 | purl | pours gasoline all over Industrial, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 07:05.53 | Industrial | what? its a nice song :P |
| 07:06.05 | Industrial | Arrowmaster: I can't remember that |
| 07:06.26 | Arrowmaster | srsly? |
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| 07:08.05 | Arrowmaster | starts 11 minutes into macross plus ova 2 (not movie version) |
| 07:08.27 | Arrowmaster | never seen movie version no clue if its in there |
| 07:09.09 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, i only like the first 13 seconds of that song |
| 07:10.14 | Industrial | oh right vs the blue dude that controls the plane with his mind |
| 07:10.22 | Industrial | (watching some youtube) |
| 07:10.31 | Arrowmaster | no its a solo flight |
| 07:17.15 | AnduinLothar | wtf |
| 07:17.15 | AnduinLothar | mt |
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| 07:42.56 | bleeter | oO doomguards and infernals are now lvl 50?! |
| 07:43.40 | Thunder_Child | want http://www.amazon.com/Stargate-SG-1-Richard-Dean-Anderson/dp/B000TJBNHQ/ |
| 07:44.54 | nevcairiel | pretty cheap for 10 seasons really o.O |
| 07:45.17 | Thunder_Child | i know |
| 07:45.20 | Thunder_Child | thats why i want it |
| 07:45.30 | Thunder_Child | but i already have 1-3 or so |
| 07:45.42 | nevcairiel | hehe |
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| 07:46.21 | Thunder_Child | i mean season 1-3 not 1-3 of them |
| 07:46.30 | Elkano | if it was region code free it would be a nice buy from europe I thing regarding current exchange rates |
| 07:47.10 | nevcairiel | wtf its damn expensive in the german amazon store |
| 07:48.31 | Kalroth | german amazon tax! |
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| 07:48.45 | Tekkub | some days my levelin g partner is a retard |
| 07:48.56 | Kalroth | I'm guessing there's no discount in germany, nevcairiel |
| 07:49.01 | Tekkub | we're in nagrand, near Garadar (we're ally) |
| 07:49.05 | Kalroth | since list price is $330 |
| 07:49.11 | Tekkub | the "war drums in the distance" comes up |
| 07:49.23 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: actually i just noticed amazin itself doestn event sell it directly here, its just offers from some people |
| 07:49.26 | Tekkub | I go "oh run over to that horde town and get a quick look at Thrall |
| 07:49.27 | nevcairiel | amazon* |
| 07:49.29 | Tekkub | he runs off |
| 07:49.33 | Kalroth | Tekkub: haha |
| 07:49.40 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: ah, so it's used only |
| 07:49.44 | Tekkub | now he's mad at me |
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| 07:51.06 | Tekkub | now he's trynig to kittystealth into town |
| 07:51.25 | Guest453 | hello |
| 07:51.34 | Guest453 | is anyone having issues with the add ons |
| 07:51.51 | Guest453 | it is causing me grief as i cannot view my friends list |
| 07:52.03 | Kalroth | The add ons, eh? |
| 07:52.13 | Guest453 | yes thats right |
| 07:52.21 | Tekkub | THe Addons, caps it's a proper noun |
| 07:52.45 | Kalroth | Oh, you mean Cosmos |
| 07:53.19 | Guest453 | yes thats right cosmos |
| 07:53.20 | bleeter | haha http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/detail.php?p=61221&v=sci-fi_battlestar-galactica_comic-con |
| 07:53.31 | bleeter | 'imprints an image of a cylon on every piece of toast', apparently |
| 07:53.39 | Kalroth | Guest453: Disable the Friend Facts addon. |
| 07:54.00 | bleeter | Guest453: disable 'friendsfacts' addon, ???, profit |
| 07:56.25 | Guest453 | can anyone give me advice? |
| 07:57.38 | Tekkub | Guest453: Disable the Friend Facts |
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| 07:58.46 | Guest453 | how may i do that Tekkub? |
| 08:00.18 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, there is never any profit since the ??? is usualy death |
| 08:00.49 | nevcairiel | and where is the fun in that |
| 08:01.05 | Thunder_Child | no one said ANYTHING about death |
| 08:01.12 | nevcairiel | you did |
| 08:01.12 | Thunder_Child | s/death/fun/ |
| 08:01.23 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 08:01.23 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 08:01.29 | nevcairiel | ha in before correction :) |
| 08:01.40 | Fisker- | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 08:01.40 | purl | Thunder_Child, you Fail! |
| 08:01.42 | Fisker- | i agree |
| 08:01.51 | Guest453 | ok thanks ive worked it out |
| 08:02.21 | Thunder_Child | Fisker- your paltry insults and meger inefectual attacks will get you naught |
| 08:03.56 | Kalroth | I'm just checking if being nice will get me some |
| 08:04.18 | Thunder_Child | get you naught as well? |
| 08:04.48 | Kalroth | Well I was thinking that if insults equals nothing, then being nice must equal something |
| 08:05.22 | Thunder_Child | not really, i like the insults, it's just that Fisker-'s are old and worn out |
| 08:05.29 | Kalroth | oh |
| 08:05.30 | Thunder_Child | like Fisker- |
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| 08:07.28 | Fisker- | Just like yours Thunder_Child :) |
| 08:09.25 | Thunder_Child | not really Fisker-, your weak attacks mean nothing to those that are your betters, such as my self |
| 08:10.13 | Fisker- | [10:01:17] <Thunder_Child> ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 08:10.14 | Fisker- | [10:01:33] <Fisker-> ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 08:10.19 | Fisker- | owned again n00b |
| 08:10.32 | Thunder_Child | hardly |
| 08:20.50 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Industrial |
| 08:20.50 | purl | frags Industrial with his BFG9000 |
| 08:21.12 | Industrial | what its a good song |
| 08:21.13 | Industrial | :D |
| 08:21.49 | Thunder_Child | stop posting your songs to the channel! |
| 08:22.23 | Industrial | why? :| |
| 08:22.29 | Tekkub | cause noone cares? |
| 08:22.42 | Industrial | ill remind you. |
| 08:22.47 | Tekkub | no you wont |
| 08:22.51 | Industrial | yes I will. |
| 08:22.54 | Tekkub | nope |
| 08:25.53 | Industrial | 30 mins |
| 08:27.30 | Fisker- | 33 mins |
| 08:27.30 | Fisker- | >:O |
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| 08:40.25 | Industrial | 20 >:O |
| 08:41.26 | Fisker- | 29 |
| 08:41.28 | Fisker- | bleh |
| 08:41.30 | Fisker- | 19* |
| 08:41.45 | nevcairiel | ~fail Fisker- |
| 08:41.45 | purl | Fisker-, you Fail! |
| 08:43.39 | Fisker- | ~roulette nevcairiel |
| 08:43.40 | purl | ACTION watches nevcairiel pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 08:44.37 | Fisker- | lets dance nevcairiel |
| 08:59.31 | bleeter | ugh, I really wish names wouldn't become null on char deletion if the data's useful still for guild vault logs and friends... vault ninjas rely on being 'null' to be hard to pin down until Blizz GMs get involved, and freinds vanishing from the friend list is... annoying |
| 09:01.47 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 09:03.58 | bleeter | if I didn't have anything to bleat about, I would only be half the bleeter I am today ;) |
| 09:04.20 | Cairenn | *grin* |
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| 09:05.39 | farmbuyer | Yeah, but then how long should the name stay around? What happens when somebody creates another char with the same name? etc, etc, etc (counter-bitch, counter-moan, so on and so forth) |
| 09:06.25 | Drundia | Name can stay forever, just marked as deleted, maybe along with deletion date |
| 09:06.35 | Drundia | or until it's no longer used anywhere |
| 09:06.55 | farmbuyer | bah, that would, like, make sense and stuff |
| 09:07.20 | bleeter | should be the same time as a transfer cooldown or something |
| 09:07.54 | bleeter | i've heard of people getting transferred via a hack, then when the restore happens a newer toon with the old name gets the name taken off them |
| 09:08.17 | bleeter | so, although a hack transfer prolly would be longer than the tx cooldown, there's kinda a semi-reason there for hanging on to names. |
| 09:08.36 | Drundia | Back in the days friends were only removed during maintenance |
| 09:08.39 | bleeter | though, additionally, if someone on an account deletes a toon with a name, they should be free to remake a toon with same name |
| 09:09.04 | bleeter | there a few toons named 'null' out there getting blamed for ninja'ing GV contents |
| 09:09.12 | bleeter | no doubt filing harassment tickets hehe |
| 09:10.00 | Drundia | It can be like those multi-copied characters to PTR |
| 09:10.14 | Drundia | First letters of name followed by GUID - identifiable as old character |
| 09:10.55 | Drundia | The record can be deleted as you say, after a month, or as soon as entry is removed from all logs and lists |
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| 09:21.44 | Drundia | OMG |
| 09:21.50 | Drundia | lost mailed are returned |
| 09:22.12 | Drundia | When I talked to GM he said that they expired in my mailbox and I told that they were never returned, now they are all back. |
| 09:25.56 | amro | http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2880/lockszs1.jpg |
| 09:27.38 | bleeter | Drundia: really, eh? |
| 09:27.58 | bleeter | Auctioneer had a bit of a run in yesterday with GMs when they were suspecting us of causing missing mail |
| 09:28.18 | bleeter | today, a few people have responded in the thread saying missing mail has mysteriously reappered |
| 09:28.48 | bleeter | the 'missing mail' thread http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903762396&sid=1 |
| 09:30.07 | Drundia | I talked to GM about 2 weeks ago |
| 09:30.26 | Drundia | He told me that it returned and expired because I didn't loot it |
| 09:30.47 | Drundia | Now all of it is back |
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| 09:32.36 | bleeter | so it would've been about... 6 weeks ago you mailed it? just trying to get a small grip on some timelines here as to try and understand what went wrong on Blizz's side |
| 09:32.56 | bleeter | ie, 4 weeks for the failed bounceback, then 2 weeks ago talked to GM |
| 09:34.30 | bleeter | woodwork squeaks and out come the freaks |
| 09:35.03 | Cairenn | tell woodwork to stop squeaking then |
| 09:35.17 | Drundia | I can't be sure |
| 09:35.18 | amro | Drundia: mail from AH? |
| 09:35.24 | Drundia | Earliest losses were maybe month ago |
| 09:35.31 | Drundia | At first it was confustion |
| 09:35.35 | Drundia | confusion |
| 09:35.41 | Drundia | Maybe I messed up sometimes |
| 09:35.52 | Drundia | Then I noticed that suspiciously nothing gets returned |
| 09:36.21 | Drundia | Then I manually returned everything and found nothing that was supposed to be auto-returned |
| 09:36.52 | Drundia | Talked to GM, he got me sad, monitored one mail specifically, but didn't talk to GM after, apparently don't need to do it now. |
| 09:38.03 | bleeter | AH mails or mails from other players (including your alts)? |
| 09:39.14 | Drundia | alt mails |
| 09:43.43 | bleeter | yup, it'd seem there was some kinda massive mail failure between players some time around 6-8 weeks ago, or 2-4 weeks depending on your point of view. From what I've seen of reports, AH mails weren't hit with the same stick |
| 09:44.12 | bleeter | but that may just be because no AH driver's QQ'd... or just a completely different system. |
| 09:45.32 | Drundia | Mails were properly sent, properly manually returned, but not automatically returned |
| 09:45.43 | Drundia | That's what I noticed |
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| 09:46.27 | Drundia | Last missing auto-return was supposed to be returned on 2008-07-08 at 4:41 |
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| 09:47.22 | Drundia | And just yesterday I sorted some stuff and grouped similar items.... |
| 09:47.37 | Drundia | Now with those returns I have to do it again |
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| 09:49.55 | bleeter | I wonder if it was just one battlegroup that got hit... oh well, seems all fixed now, which is good |
| 09:50.06 | cnc|work | what happened ? :o |
| 09:50.10 | bleeter | but vanishing emails, and GMs claiming everything's fine, is a worry |
| 09:50.18 | Drundia | EU-Rampage-Sylvanas |
| 09:50.29 | bleeter | cnc|work: resolution, to some degree, of missing bounceback mails |
| 09:50.31 | bleeter | oO EU?! |
| 09:50.36 | bleeter | Only seen this before on US |
| 09:51.13 | bleeter | then again, I don't frequent the EU support forums, so not surprised I missed it |
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| 09:52.13 | Drundia | You think EU servers run different software? |
| 09:52.35 | bleeter | no, was suspecting the issue was isolated to one US battlegroup only |
| 09:52.46 | bleeter | that you're in EU kinda blows a big wide hole in that =)) |
| 09:55.32 | Drundia | I think it's just not many people that bounce items instead of properly storing them. Back in the days I did it because returns were instant, and sends took 1 hour. Need to make bank char a proper bank char instead of mail bouncer. |
| 09:56.08 | cnc|work | weird |
| 09:56.12 | cnc|work | I often bounce mails :s |
| 09:56.14 | cnc|work | shld watch out |
| 09:57.11 | bleeter | yeah, mail's not supported as a storage medium. I guess 'coz of this very 'bug' |
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| 10:00.08 | cnc|work | it doesn't take bankslots :( |
| 10:02.14 | bleeter | and relies on you being able to log in at least once every 30 days or you lose stuff and then petition GMs to get it back. And as the whole missing mail thread shows, they don't like restoring expired stuffs. |
| 10:02.26 | bleeter | just that they would've seem to have worked out it hadn't actually expired |
| 10:02.57 | bleeter | anyways, if you use mail for storage and for some reason (ie, car accident, couple weeks in hospital) you lose stuff. not that reliable for anything of mild value and above |
| 10:04.36 | cnc|work | I just use it to bounce tradegoods |
| 10:04.39 | cnc|work | mainly leather & cloth |
| 10:04.50 | cnc|work | thats just because they take ridiculously much space :p |
| 10:04.53 | cnc|work | anything of value gets stored |
| 10:05.39 | Drundia | Hmmm... I think with current prices 1k worth of buff foods was missing and some more stuff... |
| 10:05.50 | cnc|work | ouch |
| 10:05.57 | cnc|work | I'd never bounce that :p banking that stuff ft |
| 10:05.58 | cnc|work | ftw* |
| 10:07.56 | Drundia | But it's back. And yes I lost some stuff due to really long unexpected inactivity, but oddly enough when I logged in after that I had some conjured items still with me. |
| 10:08.46 | Drundia | But I treat everything not bought to have zero value so don't care much about losing it. |
| 10:08.47 | cnc|work | lol |
| 10:09.12 | Drundia | Since some stuff was bounced for more than year I believe. |
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| 10:10.12 | cnc|work | :o |
| 10:10.17 | cnc|work | I never ever farm anything |
| 10:10.19 | cnc|work | I farm the AH :p |
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| 10:14.10 | Drundia | Buff foods were mostly from cooking dailies |
| 10:16.11 | Matrix110 | Well Buff Food is insanely overpriced on AH here |
| 10:16.43 | [dRaCo] | except for healer food, it's pretty easy to farm |
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| 10:16.55 | Matrix110 | still overpriced here :P |
| 10:17.04 | Matrix110 | 70-80g/stack |
| 10:17.09 | [dRaCo] | woot. |
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| 10:21.40 | Drundia | Around 40g here when I checked and sold.... |
| 10:32.12 | Fisker- | haha Industrial |
| 10:32.17 | Fisker- | extended maintanence ;_; |
| 10:34.10 | cnc|food | is magtheridon up ? |
| 10:34.59 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 10:35.53 | Fisker- | yep |
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| 11:46.33 | foxlit | Well, now |
| 11:46.50 | nevcairiel | What, now? |
| 11:47.12 | foxlit | That spell-breaking change is annoying |
| 11:47.44 | foxlit | But probably lends itself to a workaround |
| 11:48.48 | nevcairiel | Was kinda stupid that you could avoid a gcd when doing it in combat |
| 11:49.05 | nevcairiel | er, doing it during cast |
| 11:49.06 | nevcairiel | i mean |
| 11:49.43 | foxlit | Was king of stupid to cause GCD for non-weapon slots to begin with :) |
| 11:49.47 | foxlit | s/g/d/ |
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| 11:50.53 | foxlit | And now they're causing GCD outside of combat, too |
| 11:51.28 | foxlit | Or not |
| 11:52.22 | foxlit | It ends up meaning that I actually have to write an addon instead of using macros |
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| 11:55.42 | cnc|work | foxlit: doesn't your lovely closetgnome switch ur gear just fine ooc ? |
| 11:55.43 | Drundia | at least mounting isn't interrupted |
| 11:56.29 | Drundia | other spells i think are |
| 11:56.32 | foxlit | CG suffers from insanity every time I regem something :) |
| 11:56.45 | cnc|work | foxlit: enable fuzzy matching |
| 11:56.53 | cnc|work | it makes CG match stuff based on their itemid only |
| 11:57.03 | cnc|work | instead of the whole itemlink which includes enchants & gems |
| 12:05.31 | nevcairiel | i just click edit on my set and confirm the re-gemmed item |
| 12:05.35 | nevcairiel | its not that much |
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| 12:08.08 | bleeter | this problem with steps is pissing me off, all my AH mules are bloody wimmin aargh |
| 12:09.38 | cnc|work | nevcairiel: whats that hot addon u comitted to ? any wiki entry ? |
| 12:14.23 | Stanzilla | cnc|work: your google-fu is weak |
| 12:14.24 | Stanzilla | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2427.0 |
| 12:14.30 | Kalroth | nev is working on a hot addon? |
| 12:14.38 | Kalroth | will there be boobies in it? |
| 12:14.46 | Stanzilla | HotCandy - a Healing over Time Monitor. |
| 12:14.46 | nevcairiel | hot boobies of course |
| 12:14.47 | Stanzilla | « on: 02 October 2006, 17:44:52 » |
| 12:15.09 | Kalroth | HobCandy - a Hands on Boobies monitor. |
| 12:15.23 | durcyn | huh, tits, what? |
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| 13:03.20 | digmouse | ~seen macca |
| 13:03.21 | purl | macca <n=brendanm@69.12.222.39> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 538d 3h 4m 22s ago, saying: 'cya ! thanks amphi !'. |
| 13:03.33 | digmouse | oops, |
| 13:03.33 | cnc|work | digmouse: lol |
| 13:03.41 | digmouse | ~seen maccaa |
| 13:03.41 | purl | i haven't seen 'maccaa', digmouse |
| 13:04.18 | digmouse | oops, who knows the current author of NaturCombatTimers? he said he was on this channel :( |
| 13:04.43 | cnc|work | Natur |
| 13:04.45 | cnc|work | afaik |
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| 13:05.16 | durcyn | Maccaa, according to wowi |
| 13:05.20 | digmouse | no surely, the guy on wowinterface is maccaa |
| 13:05.42 | cnc|work | never seen someone by that name in this chan |
| 13:05.43 | digmouse | durcyn: that's him |
| 13:05.59 | digmouse | so maybe he uses another name |
| 13:08.07 | Drundia | so what's with that fake permanently open ticket? :\ |
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| 13:24.27 | bleeter | Drundia: update titan panels |
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| 13:52.32 | malreth | http://totoroforestproject.org/ |
| 13:53.46 | cnc|work | malreth: sites totaly in flash sucks |
| 13:53.50 | cnc|work | I'm not installing flash :p |
| 13:54.06 | malreth | cnc|work: why do you hate the forests? |
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| 13:54.21 | cnc|work | I hate sites completely in flash with no html equival |
| 13:54.36 | malreth | they're trying to save the forest |
| 13:54.43 | malreth | and you hate them |
| 13:55.12 | selckin | cnc|work: \o/ i always thought i was alone in my refusal to use flash |
| 13:56.14 | cnc|work | selckin: I don't really hate it |
| 13:56.39 | Kilgor71 | cosmos patcher question: the distribution list is empty, I do have port 8087 open per the faq. any suggestions? |
| 13:59.28 | cnc|work | its just that I don't like those kind of sites because you can't view em anywhere |
| 13:59.29 | cnc|work | so i just tend to not really on any flash sites at al |
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| 14:00.15 | malreth | why does a patcher program require an open port? |
| 14:01.18 | Kilgor71 | no idea, started with the faq when the list didnt populate. |
| 14:02.14 | malreth | oh.... they only need outbound access. not a mapped inbound port |
| 14:03.49 | malreth | most obvious things that come to mind are do you even know that their server is answering requests? |
| 14:04.10 | cnc|work | malreth: sniff it ? |
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| 14:04.22 | malreth | it smells like a server |
| 14:04.30 | Kilgor71 | thats what i was thinking, server overload after teh patch... lol |
| 14:06.17 | bleeter | I seem to recall one of the cosmos guys saying they were having problems access the server to update for the current patch |
| 14:06.31 | bleeter | *accessing their server |
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| 14:06.56 | malreth | list doesn't populate here on my computer, either. it's likely a server problem |
| 14:07.28 | malreth | also, they don't use a .plist to store info like the server addresses |
| 14:08.54 | Kilgor71 | thanks Mal! |
| 14:09.12 | malreth | and i think they left symbols turned on when they compiled the application... -_- |
| 14:09.50 | malreth | yep... there's the server address... hard coded into the app |
| 14:10.51 | bleeter | meh, if you're on !win32, it's not rocket surgery to write one's own Cosmos downloader |
| 14:11.13 | malreth | patch.cosmosui.org |
| 14:11.18 | malreth | and... http://www.multivitamin-graphics.de |
| 14:11.21 | malreth | well, that's interesting |
| 14:11.56 | malreth | the website of the guy that made the icons, i suppose |
| 14:12.10 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4965846912&sid=1 <-OMG BLUE PLZ |
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| 14:14.54 | haste | Dolby: wget complains about your file servers last modified headers being invalid |
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| 14:16.21 | cnc|work | Fisker-: failadin |
| 14:17.09 | Fisker- | no u |
| 14:19.07 | DBE-Kinj | any ui developers on? |
| 14:19.18 | haste | never |
| 14:19.33 | AckisWork | no u |
| 14:19.54 | DBE-Kinj | I'm looking for an add-on to be designed for me, and we will be paying for the designers time. |
| 14:21.04 | AckisWork | there's a few add-on ideas forums on wowace adn wowinterface iirc, may want to post there |
| 14:22.03 | cnc|work | DBE-Kinj: just tell your addon idea |
| 14:22.20 | cnc|work | DBE-Kinj: if anyone is intrested they'll answer here or /msg you most probably |
| 14:23.45 | malreth | there are very few addon developers willing to work for hire |
| 14:23.55 | malreth | and those that do... tend not to be very good at tit |
| 14:24.00 | malreth | ahah! |
| 14:24.02 | nevcairiel | at tit? |
| 14:24.03 | malreth | at it |
| 14:24.16 | malreth | sorry.... got tits on the brain |
| 14:24.24 | AckisWork | motorboat? |
| 14:24.24 | malreth | i should change my desktop image |
| 14:24.27 | cnc|work | malreth: tbh, that entirely depends on how much he is willing to pay for |
| 14:25.12 | nevcairiel | My time is pretty pricy |
| 14:25.46 | malreth | cnc|work: build me an addon that tells me if i have 20 seconds of mana left based on a moving average with 10% smoothing on a 5 sec window. i pay u $50 USD. |
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| 14:26.22 | nevcairiel | that even sounds easy |
| 14:26.24 | nevcairiel | just some math |
| 14:26.25 | cnc|work | idd |
| 14:26.36 | AckisWork | nevcairiel: lies, you're pretty cheap |
| 14:26.46 | cnc|work | malreth: thats basic maths ? |
| 14:26.49 | nevcairiel | maybe, but my time isnt! |
| 14:27.02 | cnc|work | I think making the frame for shadow if you have is more work then the maths itself :p |
| 14:27.36 | Guest240 | Is anyone else having trouble patching their cosmos? |
| 14:27.44 | malreth | Guest240: yes |
| 14:27.55 | nevcairiel | --> that guy was |
| 14:27.56 | batbot | nevcairiel: @ [string " that guy was"]:1: '=' expected near 'guy' |
| 14:28.01 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 14:28.03 | malreth | not me... but some other guy was |
| 14:28.05 | nevcairiel | ~lart batbot |
| 14:28.05 | purl | declares batbot a moron |
| 14:28.13 | malreth | we think it's a server problem |
| 14:28.20 | Guest240 | Ahh. |
| 14:28.29 | Guest240 | It fails on 'fetching distribution' |
| 14:28.40 | malreth | oh crap |
| 14:28.44 | nevcairiel | probably a server issue |
| 14:28.45 | malreth | make sure you don't have a keylogger |
| 14:28.47 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:29.01 | nevcairiel | dont frighten the poor addon users |
| 14:29.05 | Guest240 | hehe |
| 14:29.07 | malreth | :( |
| 14:29.13 | malreth | fine |
| 14:29.39 | nevcairiel | now i forgot what i wanted to do |
| 14:29.42 | nevcairiel | damnyou |
| 14:29.50 | Guest240 | It comes up with a message 'There was an error contacting server' |
| 14:29.56 | cnc|work | nevcairiel: you wanted to store money on my paypal |
| 14:30.09 | nevcairiel | no, thats not it |
| 14:30.12 | malreth | cnc|work is so selfless |
| 14:30.20 | malreth | offering the use of his paypal for others |
| 14:30.20 | cnc|work | I'm mostly bored |
| 14:30.23 | cnc|work | 6 more mins at work |
| 14:30.46 | malreth | cnc|work: here, read this: http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives2/revealing_hidden_assumptions_in_estimation.php |
| 14:36.35 | Hexarobi | not a bad read |
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| 14:44.18 | malreth | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/15/time-machine-needed.html |
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| 14:49.16 | malreth | today marks the anniversary of the detonation of the world's first atomic bomb. i like boingboing's recommendation of ordering a mushroom pizza |
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| 15:00.23 | malreth | you know... the cosmosui.org IRC page even says "To request help, please do not just ask if 'anyone is around' or 'if anyone can help'. If you need help just ask your question." |
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| 15:05.41 | DBE-Kinj | I'm looking for an add-on to be designed for me, and we will be paying for the designers time. |
| 15:06.07 | Matrix110 | You are aware of the costs? |
| 15:07.13 | DBE-Kinj | Yes, my business has worked with plenty of designers. Thanks for notifying me though. |
| 15:08.03 | Matrix110 | Well its just that many people say that and expect to pay like 20-50$ for a Addon that requires 50+ hours coding :P |
| 15:08.37 | DBE-Kinj | People are pathetic =) |
| 15:09.02 | DBE-Kinj | From what I have heard from Guillotene it should be a fairly simple add-on to design.. he just doesnt have time for me right now =( |
| 15:09.17 | Matrix110 | If its simple it might exist already |
| 15:09.47 | DBE-Kinj | If it does, it's not main-stream so I will still need it created. |
| 15:10.08 | Matrix110 | Ic |
| 15:10.51 | AnduinLothar | what do you need? |
| 15:10.51 | malreth | you still haven't said what you want designed |
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| 15:11.30 | DBE-Kinj | please message me if you are interested, and have the time to work on it. |
| 15:11.53 | malreth | why not just post the idea |
| 15:11.59 | Matrix110 | But we all want to know it :-( |
| 15:12.00 | Cide | what she said |
| 15:12.21 | DBE-Kinj | There are certainly reasons not to. |
| 15:12.26 | Cide | oh |
| 15:12.32 | Cide | the "people are going to steal my awesome idea"-card |
| 15:12.37 | malreth | you don't have to worry about someone 'stealing' the idea since if they do, you'd essentially get the addon you want for free |
| 15:12.49 | DBE-Kinj | That's the problem. |
| 15:12.52 | DBE-Kinj | The free part =) |
| 15:12.53 | malreth | the 'idea' is worthless |
| 15:12.58 | Cide | he wants people to pay for the addon |
| 15:12.59 | malreth | it's the implementation that matters |
| 15:13.02 | Cide | lol. |
| 15:13.14 | sylvanaar | good luck |
| 15:13.18 | DBE-Kinj | Thanks =) |
| 15:13.23 | malreth | DBE-Kinj: it doesn't matter even then. as soon as your addon is released |
| 15:13.37 | Matrix110 | You cant protect the source anyway |
| 15:13.42 | malreth | it'll be copied... you can't hide the source |
| 15:14.01 | DBE-Kinj | People have said that for my last 6 developments also. I've yet to see them on curse, wowinterface and etc. |
| 15:14.11 | malreth | they probably suck, then |
| 15:14.16 | Cide | are they paid-only? |
| 15:14.19 | DBE-Kinj | I have this conversation with you guys every single time I come here. It's pretty hilarious. |
| 15:14.25 | Matrix110 | Well because Curse/WoWinterface deletes such Addons by request Oo |
| 15:14.36 | Cide | besides |
| 15:14.42 | Cide | the fact that we don't know about the addon |
| 15:14.47 | Cide | the addons you're speaking of |
| 15:14.49 | sylvanaar | how can there be pay-only mods that dont advertise |
| 15:14.53 | Cide | means that they aren't exactly huge successes |
| 15:15.00 | Cide | so there's no real point in making a free copy anyway |
| 15:15.01 | sylvanaar | ^^ |
| 15:15.08 | Cide | no offense, of course |
| 15:15.26 | Cide | but if you made a paid addon as big as ctra was back in the day (/self-promotion), people would rip it immediately |
| 15:15.39 | DBE-Kinj | ctra? |
| 15:15.46 | sylvanaar | ok, lol |
| 15:15.52 | AckisWork | do you play wow? |
| 15:15.53 | Cide | clearly you're not well-established in the scene :P |
| 15:15.54 | AnduinLothar | heh |
| 15:15.57 | malreth | http://b.lesseverything.com/2008/6/30/ndas-are-unnecessary-because-ideas-are-worthless |
| 15:16.00 | sylvanaar | srsly, where did you come from |
| 15:16.09 | DBE-Kinj | what is ctra? |
| 15:16.18 | Cide | oh, nothing |
| 15:16.25 | DBE-Kinj | I'm guessing CTraid assist? |
| 15:16.29 | Cide | yes |
| 15:16.31 | DBE-Kinj | k |
| 15:16.41 | DBE-Kinj | It's easier for free mods to go viral. |
| 15:16.44 | DBE-Kinj | Obviously =) |
| 15:16.52 | Cide | yep |
| 15:17.03 | Matrix110 | I only know of 2 pay mods atm |
| 15:17.13 | malreth | Carbonite |
| 15:17.15 | Matrix110 | this Quest thingy and Combuctor or whatever its called |
| 15:17.22 | Matrix110 | ah ye carbonite |
| 15:17.34 | malreth | combuctor is paid? o_O |
| 15:17.40 | Matrix110 | dunno the name |
| 15:17.43 | AckisWork | Carbonite |
| 15:17.48 | DBE-Kinj | You also have WoWEcon |
| 15:17.49 | Matrix110 | some raid boss mods based on rdx |
| 15:17.55 | DBE-Kinj | if that is considered ana ddon |
| 15:18.07 | sylvanaar | there is still a HUGE untapped market for prepackaged UIs with support... |
| 15:18.37 | Matrix110 | wowecon is useful for nobody pretty much :P if hes not selling gold |
| 15:18.48 | Matrix110 | for everything else there is auctioneer |
| 15:18.50 | Cide | why pay to get support for something you don't need support for? |
| 15:18.55 | Cide | and that you can easily get free support for? |
| 15:19.03 | malreth | the wowecon addon is free. |
| 15:19.08 | malreth | it's the webservice that's paid for |
| 15:19.14 | sylvanaar | because you dont know how to get support for it for free |
| 15:19.26 | Cide | you skipped the argument about not needing support |
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| 15:19.39 | Matrix110 | Well Cide big Companies sell just Support and the software is free, so there is a market for that :P |
| 15:19.39 | Cide | if the package is good enough, support is useless |
| 15:19.51 | Matrix110 | oh well true:P |
| 15:19.59 | sylvanaar | users are stupid (why are you forgetting that) |
| 15:20.10 | Cide | no |
| 15:20.13 | Cide | users are stuptarded |
| 15:20.14 | malreth | anyways, i've got no problem with selling addons... but the idea that you can't talk about your idea because someone might copy it is flawed |
| 15:20.14 | DBE-Kinj | Sylvanaar has a very good point. You wont believe how stupid people are. |
| 15:20.19 | Cide | oh |
| 15:20.20 | Cide | trust me |
| 15:20.21 | Cide | I do. |
| 15:20.25 | Diskmaster | No, users need to be hit with a giant cluebat |
| 15:20.32 | Cide | no they don't |
| 15:20.36 | Cide | they need to be hit with a giant bat |
| 15:20.48 | AckisWork | peopler aren't stupid, it's just our standards are too high |
| 15:20.51 | Cide | clues are superfluous |
| 15:20.56 | Cide | AckisWork: wrong |
| 15:21.07 | Cide | I'm smart, everyone less smart than me is therefore stupid |
| 15:21.16 | sylvanaar | listen stupid is a relative term - so, i am right |
| 15:21.19 | AckisWork | pfft |
| 15:22.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | today's xkcd is great |
| 15:22.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 15:22.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | the alt text perfects it |
| 15:24.42 | sylvanaar | hey, so are you paying money for development time? |
| 15:25.07 | DBE-Kinj | I am yes. |
| 15:25.27 | Cide | how much? |
| 15:25.35 | sylvanaar | i make $85/hr, pm me if interested |
| 15:27.17 | DBE-Kinj | It all depends on the developer. |
| 15:28.12 | foxlit | http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=175244 |
| 15:28.31 | foxlit | I'd scroll to 1:50 if you aren't generally fond of the daily show |
| 15:29.05 | cog|away | ~seen tekkub |
| 15:29.10 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 7h 6m 16s ago, saying: 'nope'. |
| 15:29.39 | malreth | purl, looking for a good time? |
| 15:29.40 | purl | malreth: Looking to get turned down? |
| 15:29.45 | malreth | BURN |
| 15:30.57 | AnduinLothar | We should write addons in http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ |
| 15:31.59 | malreth | is it touring complete? |
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| 15:32.16 | AnduinLothar | http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/archives/whitespace/attachments/20070224/2792d9db/markov.zip |
| 15:32.26 | Cide | yes, it can reach all continents except for the north and south poles |
| 15:32.28 | AnduinLothar | ^^Proof of Whitespace Turing-completeness |
| 15:32.29 | malreth | s/tour/tur/ |
| 15:32.34 | Cide | I win |
| 15:32.37 | Guest827 | hey is anyone having trouble viewinf there friend panel in WoW |
| 15:32.37 | malreth | ~fail me |
| 15:32.38 | purl | malreth, you Fail! |
| 15:32.48 | malreth | Guest827: update your addons |
| 15:33.05 | Guest827 | ok i did but does cosmos need updating and how do i do it |
| 15:33.21 | malreth | cosmos patch server is down |
| 15:33.24 | AnduinLothar | disable FriendsFacts. we're having server issues |
| 15:33.32 | Guest827 | pl |
| 15:33.33 | Guest827 | ok |
| 15:33.38 | Guest827 | thank u so much! |
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| 15:36.45 | cog|away | wtf is wrong with amazon? They put a ton of unrelated garbage into the game programming category so now it looks like we're ranked #13 in the cat... |
| 15:36.48 | cog|away | http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Evidence-Edward-R-Tufte/dp/0961392177/ref=pd_ts_b_1?ie=UTF8&s=books |
| 15:37.02 | cog|away | http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Flight-Simulator-Pilots-Training/dp/0764588222/ref=pd_ts_b_4?ie=UTF8&s=books |
| 15:37.26 | malreth | oh, the dog book |
| 15:37.31 | DBE-Kinj | You mean the wow programming book? |
| 15:37.36 | cog|away | DBE-Kinj: yeah |
| 15:37.37 | malreth | that's an essential to any programmer's library |
| 15:37.51 | DBE-Kinj | I agree.. the dog book is well targeted. |
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| 15:42.53 | Fisker- | owned cog|away |
| 15:42.54 | Fisker- | imo |
| 15:42.55 | Fisker- | :o |
| 15:43.43 | Drundia | What is default frame level for newly created frame? |
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| 15:44.44 | alestane | Parent's frame level + 1 |
| 15:44.51 | cog|away | Drundia: i'm too slow. alestane got it |
| 15:45.07 | cog|away | (sorry didn't want to waste my tab completion :P ) |
| 15:45.40 | Drundia | then... why in blizzard raid pullouts those frame levels are never set properly when more buttons are added to them? |
| 15:46.12 | cog|away | Drundia: perhaps they're only anchored to said frame rather than children? |
| 15:47.03 | Drundia | then i think some SetFrameLevel() calls are missing there |
| 15:47.39 | Drundia | Doesn't :SetParent() update frame level? |
| 15:47.57 | cog|away | not sure... |
| 15:48.02 | alestane | I believe it does. |
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| 15:48.33 | Drundia | and then again, all buttons are created by the same code |
| 15:49.10 | Drundia | They are all created by CreateFrame("Frame", pullOutFrame:GetName().."Button"..i, pullOutFrame, "RaidPulloutButtonTemplate"); |
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| 15:53.21 | laeg | oh god they're talking polish in trade constantly on the english realm i want to move to |
| 15:55.07 | malreth | what's wrong with polish? |
| 15:55.55 | Drundia | RaidPullout7:GetFrameLevel() => 129. For intially created buttons 1-4 RaidPullout7ButtonX:GetFrameLevel() => 130, RaidPullout7ButtonXClearButton:GetFrameLevel() => 132. Added later button 5 has those levels at 128 (grayed out) and 129 (not clickable)), in some rare situations buttons are only grayed out, but clickable |
| 15:56.01 | Drundia | What's going wrong there? |
| 15:56.18 | laeg | malreth: it's an english language designated realm :( |
| 15:56.43 | malreth | laeg: you're an anti-Polite |
| 15:57.15 | laeg | lies |
| 15:57.17 | malreth | i've been waiting YEARS to make that joke |
| 15:57.30 | laeg | what joke? |
| 15:57.32 | laeg | :) |
| 15:57.38 | malreth | ~rub laeg |
| 15:57.39 | purl | ACTION rubs laeg raw. Ooh... That smarts! |
| 16:03.17 | foxlit | l70etc in shatt now |
| 16:03.24 | foxlit | Old song, though |
| 16:03.31 | Arrowmaster | you mean outside of shatt? |
| 16:03.39 | foxlit | No, I mean in shatt. |
| 16:03.44 | Arrowmaster | oh? |
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| 16:08.09 | batrick | damn it |
| 16:08.20 | batrick | that's the second time in a row i accidently afk'd out of av while coding |
| 16:09.14 | laeg | is there a way to check whether horde/alliance win bgs more on a specific battlegroup># |
| 16:09.14 | Shirik | batrick: beautiful code is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91427 |
| 16:09.17 | laeg | ]/ |
| 16:09.19 | laeg | ? |
| 16:09.27 | Shirik | laeg: Ask in forums? :P |
| 16:10.59 | batrick | shirik im not in a state of mind to read that :S |
| 16:11.06 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:11.23 | laeg | Shirik: they'll just be people guessing |
| 16:11.34 | Shirik | as opposed to? |
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| 16:12.17 | laeg | Shirik: statistics gathered by mods |
| 16:12.24 | batrick | that's odd |
| 16:12.45 | batrick | I hit "Exit Game", and a yellow error msg comes up "You are not in a guild." |
| 16:12.56 | batrick | then the game exits after freezing for ~15 sec |
| 16:12.59 | laeg | i don't even want to win all the time i want it to be 50/50 horde alliance bgs wins and 50/50 horde alliance server population |
| 16:13.07 | nevcairiel | thats been happening for me for the last month or so batrick |
| 16:13.13 | nevcairiel | (the guild thing) |
| 16:13.17 | batrick | laeg: that won't happen as long as the horde base is a joke to get into |
| 16:13.23 | Arrowmaster | Shirik, batrick: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903839117&sid=1 since you guys probably know better than I do if im asking for something silly that would cause problems |
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| 16:14.56 | batrick | they probably wont' do it because it'd most likely break random things |
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| 16:15.25 | laeg | batrick: in av? |
| 16:15.29 | batrick | why do you require this behavior |
| 16:15.30 | batrick | ? |
| 16:15.33 | batrick | laeg: yes |
| 16:15.56 | batrick | horde base was always rediculously easy to get into |
| 16:16.05 | batrick | alliance base you get shot down dead before you reach the gy |
| 16:16.15 | batrick | plus a train of mobs r on ur ass |
| 16:16.17 | laeg | i'll bear that in mind next game |
| 16:16.33 | Arrowmaster | batrick: what random things would it break? |
| 16:16.47 | batrick | I don't know, but I'm sure there are some things |
| 16:16.52 | batrick | they have heavily modified Lua's source |
| 16:17.01 | Arrowmaster | well wow wroks on ppc macs right? |
| 16:17.02 | inviso | Why do horde not D up little hill right before the towers in their base? That has always puzzled me greatly |
| 16:17.21 | batrick | inviso: there's no benefit |
| 16:17.32 | batrick | ultimately towers are what keep the alliance from winning |
| 16:17.36 | batrick | most people don't fucking realize that |
| 16:17.43 | nevcairiel | And i though they store all numbers in IEEE Double-precision floats |
| 16:17.54 | batrick | they do |
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| 16:19.21 | malreth | laeg: what you ask for is unlikely. server populations change. pvp populations change. whatever balance a server has now will be gone in a few months |
| 16:20.13 | batrick | I always love it when I'm taking allies aid station. Some random alliance will get me to attack them then run over to all the bounty hunters and agro them to me |
| 16:20.17 | batrick | it's so FAIR |
| 16:20.19 | batrick | I love it |
| 16:20.23 | batrick | ! |
| 16:20.57 | Arrowmaster | batrick: or how about getting shot by the archers from the ally aid station |
| 16:21.09 | batrick | if you stand jsut far enough away that doesn't happen |
| 16:21.29 | batrick | but ya that's bs too |
| 16:21.40 | batrick | our towers are so poorly placed it's pathetic |
| 16:22.00 | malreth | batrick: you should transfer to my battlegroup. alliance here can't take a tower/gy to save their life |
| 16:22.05 | Shirik | rofl |
| 16:22.16 | Shirik | I'd pay to kill malreth |
| 16:22.21 | Shirik | what battlegroup are you on |
| 16:22.24 | batrick | haha |
| 16:22.25 | malreth | we get shut down by a few as 10 horde at the IBGY chokepoint |
| 16:22.29 | batrick | watch out malreth is a rogue |
| 16:22.33 | Shirik | psh, rogue |
| 16:22.33 | batrick | he cheats death |
| 16:22.35 | batrick | o pun! |
| 16:22.39 | Shirik | I'm a disc priest in pvp |
| 16:22.41 | Shirik | he'll hit me for 10 |
| 16:22.56 | malreth | malreth is lv 47... he doesn't pvp |
| 16:22.56 | malreth | ever |
| 16:23.09 | batrick | how.... |
| 16:23.11 | Shirik | so you really will hit me for 10 |
| 16:23.14 | malreth | yes |
| 16:23.15 | batrick | hahahha |
| 16:23.47 | malreth | kyleigh's a frost mage and i tend to be able to hold my own for a while in BGs |
| 16:24.28 | malreth | i'll sit there and dance with a rogue for about a minute and a half, sometimes two (enough for two trinket activations) until they die |
| 16:24.31 | malreth | so... |
| 16:24.37 | malreth | i guess the rogues that attack me really suck |
| 16:24.47 | laeg | malreth: yes it will change of course but choosing a server closest to 50/50 is still better than staying on a server with 12% alliance 88% horde |
| 16:25.05 | Shirik | quick question for svn gurus: Locks are automatically released on commit, right? |
| 16:25.24 | Arrowmaster | people use locks in svn? |
| 16:25.37 | Shirik | very rarely |
| 16:25.44 | batrick | malreth: u face really shitty rogues |
| 16:25.52 | batrick | the ones in my battlegroup rape face |
| 16:26.04 | batrick | and there is no crowd controlling them |
| 16:26.08 | malreth | i can tell if it's a good rogue if i'm dead in 2 seconds |
| 16:26.11 | batrick | it just basicallly turns into who can kill who quickest |
| 16:26.17 | batrick | while he's raping me in the ass |
| 16:26.18 | Shirik | I use locks when something severe is about to change and I need to ensure the stability of the parts that are changing, because it's completely unmergable change |
| 16:26.43 | Shirik | in this particular instance, I was breaking one project into two and restructuring the way the two link together with other modules |
| 16:27.08 | malreth | if i'm not dead by then, i'll use every trick to freeze them, slip out of stuff, ice block, water elemental twice, ice barrier, everything |
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| 16:28.16 | malreth | if at the end, they cheat death and i'm still sitting at 80% health i'll curse them and wonder why they're delaying the inevitable |
| 16:28.56 | inviso | batrick: Is the benefit not exactly the same as the bridge at the alliance base with the added benefit that you can attack from inside your own towers? IMO, the horde base is actually more defensible than the alliance base if horde would just use the towers and the choke point correctly. |
| 16:29.26 | inviso | and the IB choke point is just ridiculous if it's used properly |
| 16:29.36 | malreth | inviso: yess |
| 16:29.58 | malreth | i never go into AV unless it's with a premade |
| 16:30.08 | inviso | horde or alliance? |
| 16:30.28 | malreth | the alliance suck so bad that it's a guaranteed 40 min battle of attrition |
| 16:30.33 | malreth | i'm alliance |
| 16:30.48 | malreth | they'll choke us at IBGY |
| 16:30.57 | inviso | Ever had a good 5 man team D up the horde base? |
| 16:31.27 | malreth | honestly, i haven't seen the horde base in a while. :p |
| 16:31.31 | inviso | I ran into 2 hunters, mage, warlock, disc priest a month ago or so |
| 16:31.56 | Fisker- | o hai Shirik |
| 16:32.02 | Shirik | no |
| 16:32.04 | Shirik | no hai 2 u |
| 16:32.16 | malreth | if i'm in a guild pre-made, our strategy is to avoid offense and to recap towers and defend them |
| 16:32.32 | Fisker- | >:( |
| 16:32.37 | Fisker- | i don't liek this |
| 16:32.39 | inviso | back capping towers is fun, but it tends to turtle if the rest of your team is terrible |
| 16:32.49 | malreth | oh gods yes |
| 16:33.21 | malreth | like when 20+ alliance are stuck at IB for THIRTY minutes and can't even take a tower |
| 16:33.23 | thedarkhaze | the problem is when someone else is an idiot and takes back SHGY imo <_< |
| 16:33.40 | malreth | thedarkhaze: actually, there are some very good strategic reasons for taking SHGY |
| 16:33.41 | inviso | Not really, that only forces horde to go on D |
| 16:33.51 | thedarkhaze | yes...and that means ridiculous long game for like jack honor |
| 16:34.33 | inviso | And that forces them to D either IB GY (choke point, turtle, gg) or into their base. Occassionally, you'll run into good D in the horde base and then it's tower/choke point/zomg turtle anyway |
| 16:34.53 | malreth | inviso: truty |
| 16:35.00 | malreth | s/ty/th/ |
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| 16:36.00 | malreth | we'll take SHGY if we have the forward GYs and it'll send them back to their cave. it takes advantage of the choke point at the bridge |
| 16:36.21 | malreth | unless it's a good team |
| 16:36.26 | malreth | it breaks their morale |
| 16:36.32 | malreth | and they essentially give up |
| 16:36.41 | thedarkhaze | ...maybe in your battlegroup <_< |
| 16:36.44 | inviso | and if it doesn't, they D up the base :) |
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| 16:36.59 | malreth | and Defense is a losing game |
| 16:37.56 | malreth | i laugh when armchair generals scream at us for taking SHGY and we end up with a crushing win with all of our towers intact |
| 16:37.59 | batrick | I'm sorry but nothing beats the bridge choke point |
| 16:38.15 | inviso | I disagree |
| 16:38.42 | malreth | batrick: what good is the bridge choke point when your side runs out of reinforcements first? |
| 16:38.44 | batrick | I've played both sides. The IB "choke point" easily passable |
| 16:38.46 | inviso | malreth: hehe, armochair generals are awesome. Every AV should have one |
| 16:38.51 | inviso | batrick: How? |
| 16:38.57 | inviso | assuming you can't stealth |
| 16:39.00 | Shirik | I have played both sides as well |
| 16:39.03 | batrick | uh, by not dismounting like an rtard? |
| 16:39.05 | inviso | <--- me too |
| 16:39.12 | Shirik | and yeah, you can ride right through |
| 16:39.17 | batrick | most people just fucking dismount and "pvp" |
| 16:39.19 | Shirik | skip most the mobs |
| 16:39.33 | inviso | Last time I "rode" through an effective IB blockade was.... never |
| 16:39.44 | Shirik | then you didn't do it intelligently :P |
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| 16:39.51 | batrick | I never had problems getting past IB |
| 16:39.51 | inviso | a pair of frost traps and 5-10 people make it impossible to pass |
| 16:39.59 | Shirik | 1 vs 30 is not intelligently |
| 16:40.05 | Drundia | I remember good defense between 2 frostwolf towers and that stupid building |
| 16:40.15 | Drundia | (that used to dismount people back in the days) |
| 16:40.41 | batrick | ya, and those towers are like effective for the first 10 yards after you exit that building and useless all other times |
| 16:41.16 | Drundia | and defense pauses people there |
| 16:41.18 | inviso | So, you guys haven't tried to ride through IB and watched 1 guy out of 15 make it through? |
| 16:41.35 | Drundia | proper IB blockade is doable too i think |
| 16:41.47 | Arrowmaster | a 40 person blockade maybe |
| 16:41.57 | inviso | 10-15 is plenty |
| 16:42.19 | batrick | I played alliance for almost two years and never had much problem getting past IB |
| 16:42.24 | inviso | Remember, the alliance aren't fighting back anyway... They are trying to ride through |
| 16:42.28 | thedarkhaze | if there's 10-15 blocking, 10-15 riding through will definitely have some getting through imo |
| 16:42.29 | batrick | I admit the fucking tower was annoying but survivable |
| 16:42.33 | Drundia | because horde almost never does it |
| 16:42.36 | inviso | batrick: wtb your battlegroup :( |
| 16:43.13 | Drundia | FW GY is sucky place for blockade yes, unlike SP GY |
| 16:43.24 | Drundia | same goes for RH vs AS |
| 16:43.36 | batrick | If I had an ideal premade though, I'd stick 15 people in a semi circle around iceblood tower just in range of the archers |
| 16:43.41 | Drundia | but there is place equivalent to bridge |
| 16:43.41 | batrick | that would be some sick D |
| 16:44.21 | batrick | problem is there is no queuing as groups in WoW anymore |
| 16:44.22 | Drundia | between tower point and iceblood you can stop people, just like around icewing |
| 16:44.22 | thedarkhaze | and if I had an ideal premade, I'd just have 2 groups of stealthers stealth by :) |
| 16:44.26 | batrick | that fucking matchmaking system saw to that |
| 16:44.41 | thedarkhaze | you can queue as a group |
| 16:44.42 | Drundia | mini-premades work fine |
| 16:44.43 | inviso | thedarkhaze: that never happens :( |
| 16:44.46 | thedarkhaze | you just need the right addons |
| 16:44.59 | malreth | we've had no problem queueing 2 or 3 groups into the same AV |
| 16:44.59 | batrick | you don't need an addon u just need a macro |
| 16:45.08 | malreth | and we don't even use addons or macros... just vent |
| 16:45.10 | thedarkhaze | addon automates it |
| 16:45.16 | Drundia | we queued like 5-man for AB one day and easily won all games |
| 16:45.18 | thedarkhaze | when you're trying for a full 40 |
| 16:45.24 | Drundia | and yes we used real join as group |
| 16:45.37 | batrick | 5 man AB? |
| 16:45.41 | batrick | err |
| 16:45.44 | Drundia | yes |
| 16:45.48 | Drundia | 5-man premade + randoms |
| 16:45.52 | batrick | I don't see how a 5 man "premade" would make much difference in an AB |
| 16:45.57 | batrick | there's too much reliance on the other 10 |
| 16:46.01 | Drundia | but we won every game |
| 16:46.13 | thedarkhaze | as long as the other 10 call early |
| 16:46.17 | thedarkhaze | it works fine |
| 16:46.36 | batrick | anyway, it's stupid we have to single queue to play in a group |
| 16:46.41 | thedarkhaze | or if the other 10 can run around you can have your 5 be the callers |
| 16:47.16 | inviso | thedarkhaze: We find the second to be more effective. 4 of us do 1 dps at each node, roaming healer |
| 16:47.23 | thedarkhaze | it also depends immensily on what the 5 are |
| 16:47.31 | thedarkhaze | if you're like survival classes you just sit on flags and call for help |
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| 16:48.00 | thedarkhaze | if your dps you should be able to at the very least in a PM take 1v1 and last for a while 1v2 imo <_< |
| 16:48.23 | inviso | haha, that reminds me of an AB I did on my prot pally a couple weeks ago. The Horde side had 4 warriors, 3 rogues, 1 enhance shammy and 2 ret pallys. /giggle |
| 16:49.23 | Drundia | a few better geared people with some basic cooperation and understanding of strategy can make wonders |
| 16:49.38 | Drundia | i think partial real premade can do pretty well |
| 16:49.55 | Drundia | matchmaking system or not, but i think it won't wait for 2 hours until there is proper group queued |
| 16:50.20 | Arrowmaster | yes it will |
| 16:50.21 | izmebe | well i guess it depends on servers how bgs go.... Gul'dan is over run with horde 2:1 |
| 16:50.48 | Arrowmaster | we queued like 5 people for WSG one day and waited over an hour |
| 16:50.59 | Arrowmaster | by the time the queue poped up there was only like 2 of us left |
| 16:51.03 | thedarkhaze | wsg isn't really popular at all <_< |
| 16:51.18 | Arrowmaster | it was a wsg weekend i think |
| 16:51.42 | izmebe | i like wsg over ab any day |
| 16:51.50 | thedarkhaze | iono would people PM more if it was a weekend or PM less? |
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| 16:56.17 | izmebe | i wanna raid!!!!!! |
| 16:57.32 | malreth | ugh.. spybot s&d is being a dildo! |
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| 16:58.33 | Drundia | if silly matchmaking system can wait forever than it's totally stupid. and then again it's not like reward scales with beating better players.... |
| 16:59.18 | Shirik | batrick |
| 16:59.20 | batrick | we also do them the service of losing quickly :P |
| 16:59.21 | Shirik | ping |
| 16:59.23 | batrick | pong |
| 16:59.33 | Shirik | so I'm talking to someone in #norganna-dev about how to do something |
| 16:59.36 | batrick | s/losing/winning/ |
| 16:59.43 | Shirik | and he totally just described convolution to me |
| 16:59.53 | batrick | ok? |
| 17:00.01 | Shirik | I was like "YES! Signals and systems = useful!" |
| 17:00.06 | batrick | sif |
| 17:00.09 | Fisker- | grr Shirik |
| 17:00.10 | Fisker- | GRRR |
| 17:00.13 | batrick | it's used in things like statistics |
| 17:00.17 | Shirik | :P |
| 17:00.24 | Fisker- | i am having madness |
| 17:00.32 | batrick | or in nasty integral problems |
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| 17:26.15 | NightHawkAtWork | heh, anyone seen this? http://www.gocomics.com/foxtrot/2008/07/13/ |
| 17:28.10 | Lopeppeppy | Adorable. |
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| 17:29.28 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 17:29.28 | purl | ACTION hugs Peppy tightly until Peppy turns slightly blue |
| 17:29.35 | Atriace | xkcdgfhz wins. |
| 17:30.17 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, |Jelly|-dear! |
| 17:31.52 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.18 | Lopeppeppy | Hey! Yawning in Peppy's face is not-nice! |
| 17:42.57 | |Jelly| | :( |
| 17:44.25 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort |Jelly| |
| 17:44.26 | purl | There, there, |Jelly|. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:44.27 | cog|away | what about a stretchyawncurlupandgobacktosleep? |
| 17:44.38 | Lopeppeppy | Oh yes, cog|away, that's always nice. |
| 17:45.03 | NightHawkAtWork | i'll take one of those, along with a side of "yawnreachoverhitthealarmandpullthecoversbackovermyhead" |
| 17:45.31 | Lopeppeppy | I threw my alarm clock on the floor this morning. It felt wonderful. And I was only almost-late, not actually late. |
| 17:47.24 | cog|away | I'm only late if i snooze more than 5 times :P |
| 17:47.42 | cog|away | (14 minute snoozes) |
| 17:47.51 | Lopeppeppy | I'm only late when I stop to take a second shower (usually shower at night, not in the am) |
| 17:48.08 | cog|away | i need my morning shower to wake up |
| 17:48.21 | NightHawkAtWork | same, cog|away |
| 17:48.38 | Lopeppeppy | I need the extra half hour it takes long girl-hair to dry. I'd rather be asleeping. |
| 17:49.21 | NightHawkAtWork | i'm more or less a motile vegetable until i've had a shower in the morning. |
| 17:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | I usually wake right up. Today was harder, but usually I do. |
| 17:50.07 | Lopeppeppy | Girlhair takes managing ahead though, hence the night shower. I sleep better not all sweaty from a hot summer day! |
| 17:50.25 | Sixen | Hahaha |
| 17:50.43 | cog|away | hot summer day = shower morning & night for me |
| 18:03.47 | Lopeppeppy | Hot summer day = AC all day, only get sweaty at night when I'm home = shower before bed when it's cooler. |
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| 18:11.35 | devXer0 | hey everyone.. Not too long ago in here someone linked me to a website containaing all of the source readable lua files from wow. I've since lost my bookmarks, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 18:11.39 | devXer0 | ... again? |
| 18:11.40 | devXer0 | ;p |
| 18:11.49 | ScytheBlade1 | wowcompares.com |
| 18:12.21 | devXer0 | thanks much :) |
| 18:12.26 | ScytheBlade1 | sure thing |
| 18:13.09 | Kirov | wowcompares is teh-awesum |
| 18:13.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 18:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | When it wants to work it sure is |
| 18:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/FriendsFrame.lua?diff=2428278 |
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| 18:16.41 | cog|away | ~seen beladona |
| 18:16.45 | purl | beladona <n=sluster@24.129.136.26> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 6d 22h 34m ago, saying: 'heavily hacked mind you'. |
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| 18:17.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I sense a vacation of sorts |
| 18:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | Good for Bela. |
| 18:19.57 | devXer0 | can anyone tell me what the numbers in the talent link are for? My previous code was able to get a spellid for talents, but now I seem to get a <num>:<num> pair. |
| 18:20.33 | devXer0 | for example: Arcane Subtltey comes back with 74:1 |
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| 18:21.49 | devXer0 | like this: |cff4e96f7|Htalent:74:1|hArcane Subtlety|h|r |
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| 18:23.23 | cog|away | ha |
| 18:23.48 | Lunessa | ... station. <grump> |
| 18:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | wasn't me! |
| 18:24.47 | Kaso | devXer0, im not aware, but hypothesising, instead of using spellids which require a new id for each rank, could it be some index telling where in the talent book it is, 74 being some index representing arcane tree, and 1 representing the first spell in the arcane tree |
| 18:25.46 | Kaso | What is say arcane focus and improved fireball ? |
| 18:26.56 | foxlit | NO |
| 18:27.00 | foxlit | The first one is an id |
| 18:27.06 | foxlit | the second one is the number of points spent |
| 18:27.12 | Kaso | ah |
| 18:27.15 | Kaso | well there you go |
| 18:27.26 | foxlit | Where -1 is none, 0 is 1, 1 is 2... etc |
| 18:27.30 | Drundia | ye |
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| 18:27.45 | Drundia | second one is (PointsSpent - 1) |
| 18:27.50 | foxlit | As for the ID... dunno |
| 18:30.14 | devXer0 | foxlit: I think you are wrong on that.. I have 2 points spent in AS |
| 18:30.24 | Kaso | <foxlit> Where -1 is none, 0 is 1, 1 is 2... etc |
| 18:30.39 | foxlit | ":74:1" |
| 18:32.08 | devXer0 | not one.. as well oh, I mised that part |
| 18:32.11 | devXer0 | my apologies |
| 18:36.04 | Thunder_Child | the string will prolly increase by one with the advent of the "enhanced" spells |
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| 18:49.17 | devXer0 | omg.. my easy up just ripped up out of the ground and flew over my house |
| 18:49.30 | devXer0 | oops, wrong channel |
| 18:49.48 | Kirov | easy up? |
| 18:50.19 | devXer0 | it's a fold down canopy used for shading, etc.. |
| 18:50.34 | devXer0 | http://www.ezupdirect.com/index.html?mtcPromotion=Google%3Eeasy_up |
| 18:50.35 | Thunder_Child | are you in a tornado or something? |
| 18:51.29 | devXer0 | no |
| 18:51.46 | devXer0 | crazy wind blew through though, and I live on the edge of the jet stream |
| 18:52.17 | devXer0 | wind kicked up, rain started... blew my ez-up over the house, and then stopped |
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| 18:54.27 | malreth | devXer0: if your porch were to collapse, would 3 dogs die? |
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| 18:55.25 | devXer0 | no, probably badly injured :P |
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| 18:56.21 | malreth | i thought so |
| 18:57.13 | Wikwocket | grrr http://wow.curseforge.com/ not accepting logins, why can't all sites be as easy to use as wowinterface |
| 18:57.19 | hipjipp_ | does anyone have a link to the new lua/macro changes made in 2.4.3? i can't find it |
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| 18:57.35 | ScytheBlade1 | hipjipp_: there really weren't any |
| 18:58.18 | malreth | well, there was the texture:SetParent(nil) thing |
| 18:58.20 | Wikwocket | clad posted a diff yesterday iirc |
| 18:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | sec and I'll upload mine |
| 18:58.37 | hipjipp_ | what about the stopwatch command and the alarm thingy? (the alarm/clock settings that pop up if you right-click the day/night indicator) |
| 18:59.05 | malreth | hipjipp_: you can probably see the additions made to the FrameXML at wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 18:59.07 | ScytheBlade1 | hipjipp_: wowcompares.com |
| 18:59.14 | ScytheBlade1 | same thing |
| 18:59.20 | malreth | yeah |
| 18:59.50 | ScytheBlade1 | http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.4.2.8278-2.4.3.8606.diff |
| 18:59.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Would be the exact changes |
| 19:02.31 | hipjipp_ | thanks alot everyone! will try to create a small addon that allows you to access the clock-settings/alarm via a slash/button.. ¨^ |
| 19:02.34 | hipjipp_ | *^^ |
| 19:08.09 | Atriace | Goodnight... membership to the Unicode consortium can cost as much as $15,000 per year. No wonder they have a campus with 5 buildings out in california. |
| 19:08.17 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 19:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Night |
| 19:09.03 | Atriace | ScytheBlade, what are the source comparison files for that diff? |
| 19:09.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Atriace: I would think the file name would tell you that |
| 19:09.50 | Atriace | 2.4.2.8278 is the name of the file? |
| 19:09.50 | ScytheBlade1 | If not, the very first line in the file would give you a pretty good idea |
| 19:09.52 | ScytheBlade1 | diff -ru 2.4.2.8278/AddOns/Blizzard_AuctionUI/Blizzard_AuctionUI.lua 2.4.3.8606/AddOns/Blizzard_AuctionUI/Blizzard_AuctionUI.lua |
| 19:09.58 | Atriace | ah |
| 19:10.10 | Atriace | wait... |
| 19:10.56 | Atriace | That's only for the AH, no? |
| 19:11.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ... no |
| 19:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure the AH is a lot larger than 229kB |
| 19:11.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is the size of that *diff* |
| 19:11.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Read it :) |
| 19:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | *smaller |
| 19:11.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Not larger, heh |
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| 19:13.09 | Atriace_ | Allow me to clarify my confusion: your diff file isn't representative of all the Lua changes made in the recent patch but rather only the changes made in Blizzard_AuctionUi.lua, correct? |
| 19:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, no, respectively |
| 19:13.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That diff is over the entire UI |
| 19:13.36 | ScytheBlade1 | The first line just happens to be the AuctionUI |
| 19:13.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Search the file for "diff -ru" to see the different file beginnings |
| 19:14.26 | Atriace_ | ah... |
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| 19:15.18 | cncfanatics | FINALY |
| 19:15.28 | cncfanatics | I managed to save spell names in my savedvars independant of locales :p |
| 19:15.33 | malreth | finally... got Spybot S&D to work on a Bart PE cd |
| 19:15.50 | malreth | i'm through screwing around with dildos |
| 19:16.47 | ScytheBlade1 | .... wait what? |
| 19:16.53 | ScytheBlade1 | wait, never mind |
| 19:16.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't want to know |
| 19:17.08 | cncfanatics | I do |
| 19:17.11 | cncfanatics | go go malreth |
| 19:17.45 | malreth | one of my girlfriends infected her computer with some really awful spyware |
| 19:17.53 | malreth | probably from browsing yaoi pr0n sites |
| 19:18.00 | malreth | crazy chick |
| 19:18.20 | malreth | anyways, she lives in a different state so i can't just pop over there to fix things |
| 19:18.43 | malreth | so i'm trying to make an automated bart pe cd that runs spybot and cleans up her hard drive |
| 19:19.23 | malreth | making an autoruns CD that installs firefox 3, noscript, and adblock plus will be saved for a future project |
| 19:19.39 | malreth | also, for a handjob |
| 19:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | One of? *tease* |
| 19:19.47 | malreth | fridgid: figures |
| 19:20.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ~malreth-- |
| 19:20.57 | ScytheBlade1 | See it too |
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| 19:23.54 | AckisWork | ~karma for malreth |
| 19:23.54 | purl | for malreth has neutral karma |
| 19:24.29 | Lopeppeppy | And good long distance skills. *smile* |
| 19:24.59 | malreth | hey, i care about the people that matter to me |
| 19:25.04 | AckisWork | hopefully her fingers are dexterous |
| 19:25.16 | malreth | except for Josh_Borke. he can fuck himself in the ear. |
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| 19:25.53 | Lopeppeppy | If he can do that, you should take a video for the above mentioned porn sites. :) |
| 19:26.14 | malreth | did i mention yaoi? |
| 19:26.20 | malreth | oh, yeah i did |
| 19:26.24 | Shirik | yaoi o.o |
| 19:26.31 | malreth | ~yaoi |
| 19:26.47 | Shirik | I know what yaoi is! |
| 19:28.40 | malreth | ~yaoi Shirik |
| 19:28.41 | purl | ACTION acts like he's all interested in Shirik but really it's just a whole bunch of angst with no naked payoff in the end. Figures. |
| 19:28.50 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:29.24 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. Someone needs to redo that one. Purl = girl |
| 19:29.28 | malreth | fine... |
| 19:29.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo yaoi |
| 19:29.33 | purl | ScytheBlade1: there's no such factoid as yaoi |
| 19:29.41 | malreth | but yaoi only makes sense if both parties are male |
| 19:29.42 | malreth | also |
| 19:29.44 | ScytheBlade1 | ~literal yaoi |
| 19:29.46 | malreth | ~gender purl |
| 19:29.46 | purl | I heard purl is sexless. |
| 19:29.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ~literal gender |
| 19:29.54 | purl | "gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)" |
| 19:29.55 | malreth | see |
| 19:29.58 | ScytheBlade1 | see? |
| 19:29.58 | ScytheBlade1 | :P |
| 19:30.06 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. |
| 19:30.35 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm with peppy here. |
| 19:30.47 | malreth | fine, changed |
| 19:30.51 | malreth | ~yaoi ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:30.52 | purl | ACTION acts all interested in ScytheBlade1 but really it's just a whole bunch of angst with no naked payoff in the end. Figures. |
| 19:31.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, malreth! |
| 19:34.26 | Shirik | ~gender Shirik |
| 19:34.27 | purl | I heard Shirik is pregnant. |
| 19:34.29 | Shirik | figures |
| 19:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, shirik. |
| 19:34.52 | Lopeppeppy | You have to share the secret once you've patented it properly, kk? |
| 19:35.08 | Shirik | kk :P |
| 19:35.22 | AckisWork | woah Shirik is going to have a baby?!? |
| 19:35.38 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. AckisWork, that's nasty. |
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| 19:39.01 | malreth | ok... yaoi was for the ladies |
| 19:39.07 | malreth | for the dudes |
| 19:39.13 | malreth | ~panchira cog|away |
| 19:39.14 | purl | ACTION Flips cog|away's skirt up. Ooh... White. How typical! |
| 19:39.52 | malreth | punctuation's wrong, purl |
| 19:40.03 | malreth | ~panchira AckisWork |
| 19:40.04 | purl | ACTION flips AckisWork's skirt up. Ooh... Kitten paw print! |
| 19:40.17 | malreth | also, we're all wearing skirts now |
| 19:40.29 | hipjipp_ | i am irl ^^ |
| 19:40.30 | hipjipp_ | :P |
| 19:40.37 | AckisWork | no, Kitten paw print here :P |
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| 19:42.27 | malreth | :( |
| 19:43.26 | hipjipp_ | is it possible to change ammount of buffs per row in an addon by just adding: "BUFFS_PER_ROW = x;"? |
| 19:43.54 | malreth | i don't think so |
| 19:44.15 | malreth | but i haven't looked at blizzard's buff frame in a while |
| 19:44.51 | Drundia | i think it should be |
| 19:44.55 | hipjipp_ | i meant from standard ammounts per row to x? my addon does nothing but skin/move the buffs.. would like more than 8/row |
| 19:45.03 | hipjipp_ | http://wowcompares.com/2438606/FrameXML/BuffFrame.lua |
| 19:45.55 | Drundia | i think yes |
| 19:45.55 | malreth | a cursory look at BuffButton_UpdateAnchors indicates that it might work |
| 19:46.07 | malreth | change it, let us know if it formats your hard drive |
| 19:46.18 | hipjipp_ | hehe |
| 19:46.34 | Drundia | hmm |
| 19:46.42 | Drundia | i think it doesn't set Y coordinate properly |
| 19:46.48 | Drundia | or something |
| 19:46.56 | Drundia | because reducing number makes them look weird |
| 19:47.23 | Drundia | it does "new line" but not "carriage return" |
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| 19:48.36 | malreth | try setting BUFFS_PER_ROW to 16 |
| 19:48.49 | Drundia | but where will i find myself 16 buffs now? |
| 19:49.18 | malreth | you got questions, i have evasion techniques. i should be in managemet. |
| 19:49.26 | malreth | s/met/ment/ |
| 19:49.40 | hipjipp_ | hehe |
| 19:50.33 | Drundia | well, changing it from 2 back to 8 doesn't work nice :( |
| 19:50.44 | hipjipp_ | did you reload? |
| 19:50.51 | Drundia | no |
| 19:51.02 | Drundia | i think they are just anchored once while created |
| 19:52.23 | Drundia | or not.... but in theory BUFFS_PER_ROW set during ui loading should work good |
| 19:53.52 | Drundia | i think theory is correct |
| 19:54.11 | Drundia | but if you do it on fly i think calling some functions should make your day |
| 19:56.17 | hipjipp_ | cant get it to work :'< |
| 19:56.29 | malreth | ~panchira Drundia |
| 19:56.30 | purl | ACTION flips Drundia's skirt up. Ooh... Cherry print! |
| 19:56.41 | malreth | the joy is gone.. |
| 19:57.02 | malreth | i think i'm gonna go smash some light bulbs in the alley out back |
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| 20:00.31 | cncfanatics | ~seen Wraithan |
| 20:00.34 | purl | wraithan <n=cpsqa@dhcp185.criticalpath.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 3h 51m 19s ago, saying: 'duplicate code is just asking for trouble'. |
| 20:01.14 | Drundia | hipjipp, what do you get? |
| 20:01.34 | Drundia | and what do you do? |
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| 20:08.34 | alestane | Okay, here's a really wacky one: if, in Java, I define a class which has a member variable {name}, and an inner class (not static) which also has a member variable {name}, is there any syntax I can use within the code of the inner class to refer to the {name} member of the outer class? |
| 20:09.11 | cladhaire | the fully qualified name of the outer class |
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| 20:09.15 | cladhaire | i.e. Outer.name |
| 20:09.44 | Guest8180 | .... |
| 20:09.49 | Guest8180 | I need to turn that off so bad |
| 20:09.50 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 20:10.15 | Guest8180 | it's stupid, when you can't even send that many requests to freenode at once or something (whether it's my ISP or not I don't know, but it's happened from several different locations) |
| 20:10.27 | Guest8180 | they give you 30 seconds to log in but you can't actually send the IDENTIFY request in that time! |
| 20:10.37 | Thunder_Child | yes you can |
| 20:10.51 | Guest8180 | maybe you can |
| 20:11.03 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 20:11.20 | alestane | cladhaire: So in that case, using the name of the outer class will refer to the instance of the outer class with which this instance of the inner class is associated? |
| 20:11.25 | Shirik | it gets worse when you realize you can't change nicks in #lua |
| 20:11.28 | Arrowmaster | does freenode still support connecting to the server using your password as the server password? they did before changing services |
| 20:11.41 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:11.43 | Shirik | I think so at least |
| 20:11.55 | cladhaire | alestane: I'm not sure.. but I believe so. |
| 20:11.58 | cladhaire | you can certainly get to it |
| 20:15.11 | alestane | It looks like that doesn't quite work for non-static members. |
| 20:15.19 | Shirik | what's alestane trying to do? |
| 20:15.21 | Shirik | I missed it :< |
| 20:15.24 | Shirik | and it sounds C++ ish |
| 20:15.28 | alestane | Shirik: Java |
| 20:15.33 | Shirik | even better |
| 20:16.15 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, +alestane: Okay, here's a really wacky one: if, in Java, I define a class which has a member variable {name}, and an inner class (not static) which also has a member variable {name}, is there any syntax I can use within the code of the inner class to refer to the {name} member of the outer class? |
| 20:16.31 | cladhaire | we had to solve this in program analysis |
| 20:16.34 | Shirik | you can |
| 20:16.40 | cladhaire | i just dont remember what the solution was |
| 20:16.50 | alestane | I'm trying to declare an outer and inner class, neither of which are static, which each have a non-static member variable, having the same name, and access the member variable of the outer class from within code belonging to the inner class. |
| 20:16.55 | Shirik | if you have class foo { int bar; class baz { int bar; } } |
| 20:17.02 | alestane | Yes... |
| 20:17.03 | Shirik | from within baz, you can get foo.bar by doing this.foo.bar |
| 20:17.20 | Shirik | or maybe it's foo.this.bar |
| 20:17.22 | Shirik | it's one of those two |
| 20:18.15 | alestane | outerClass.this doesn't appear to be recognized syntax. |
| 20:18.31 | Shirik | sec let me look it up, I know I have it in at least one of my apps |
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| 20:19.41 | alestane | See, I knew someone here would understand what I was talking about. |
| 20:19.59 | MusicMan | can anyone explain the suffixID vs itemrandomsuffix table on the api? it's all very inconsistent |
| 20:20.17 | Shirik | IRobot.this.sensorHandler(); |
| 20:20.23 | Shirik | where IRobot was the outer class |
| 20:20.33 | Thunder_Child | only the weird ones alestane, only the weird ones |
| 20:20.46 | cladhaire | MusicMan: huh? |
| 20:20.49 | cladhaire | what do you mean? |
| 20:20.58 | MusicMan | http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemRandomSuffix |
| 20:21.02 | Shirik | alestane: What version of Java are you compiling against? |
| 20:21.08 | MusicMan | http://www.wowwiki.com/SuffixId |
| 20:21.18 | alestane | Whichever one comes with XCode, and I'm not sure it gets this construct. |
| 20:21.24 | MusicMan | does wow implement both into the system? I don't get it |
| 20:21.44 | MusicMan | on suffixID there's static values for most of that stuff, and then on itemrandomsuffix they're randomly generated |
| 20:21.46 | MusicMan | wtf. |
| 20:21.50 | alestane | I think it's 1.4.2. |
| 20:21.51 | cladhaire | no idea |
| 20:22.05 | MusicMan | so it only uses the itemrandomsuffix? |
| 20:22.26 | Shirik | let me pull back one version, because I'm currently going against 1.5 |
| 20:22.41 | alestane | Shirik: Actually it looks like under current settings the compiler is expecting a Java 1.3 MV. |
| 20:22.57 | alestane | It has options for 1.4 and 1.5 though. |
| 20:23.07 | Shirik | it compiles against 1.4 ok |
| 20:23.10 | hipjipp | Can anyone with more than average lua knowledge help me? (pref via pm to avoid spam) |
| 20:23.45 | Josh_Borke | <3 malreth |
| 20:23.57 | Shirik | it compiles on 1.2.... |
| 20:24.01 | malreth | ~Josh_Borke++ |
| 20:24.17 | alestane | Shirik: Give me a second to pastey it. |
| 20:24.29 | Thunder_Child | MusicMan, read http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemString at Scaled Random Suffixes secion |
| 20:24.34 | malreth | hipjipp: pastey the code (see the link in the channel topic) and post the URL here |
| 20:24.34 | Thunder_Child | it might help |
| 20:24.54 | MusicMan | ah I see |
| 20:24.58 | MusicMan | I hadn't thoroughly read that |
| 20:25.49 | MusicMan | thanks |
| 20:25.52 | MusicMan | I'll go lurk now -.- |
| 20:25.55 | Thunder_Child | np |
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| 20:27.55 | alestane | Shirik: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91441 I broke the problem line down to try and get better feedback from the compiler about what was making it yak. |
| 20:28.26 | Shirik | ahh |
| 20:28.29 | Shirik | it's a static class huh |
| 20:28.57 | Shirik | what about... |
| 20:29.05 | Shirik | Primal_Chef.this.dish.contents? |
| 20:29.45 | Shirik | wait |
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| 20:29.47 | Shirik | what are you doing |
| 20:29.56 | Shirik | oh, I assume "contents" was removed |
| 20:29.57 | alestane | Don't think so, the class is static but that means that instances of it can exist independently of instances of Primal_Chef. |
| 20:30.09 | alestane | Reload it, I put contents back in for clarity. |
| 20:30.51 | Shirik | what's the exact error? |
| 20:31.10 | alestane | "cannot find symbol" |
| 20:31.38 | alestane | It's associated with the line that separates this from dish. |
| 20:31.51 | Shirik | that's it? |
| 20:31.55 | Shirik | you have a sucky compiler :P |
| 20:32.10 | Shirik | also ~lart alestane for using lowercase class names! |
| 20:32.19 | alestane | I'll ship you the whole file if you want to try it on yours. |
| 20:32.35 | Shirik | oooooooooo |
| 20:32.36 | Shirik | I wonder |
| 20:32.45 | Shirik | do me a favor, this shouldn't matter I don't think, but try it anyway |
| 20:32.51 | alestane | What is it? |
| 20:33.07 | Shirik | move location[][] contents; above the class definition of coordinate |
| 20:33.58 | alestane | Same error, same place. |
| 20:34.37 | Shirik | my compiler agrees that your statements are illegal |
| 20:34.40 | Shirik | so at least I can reproduce it |
| 20:34.45 | Shirik | now to play with intellisense to figure it out |
| 20:35.33 | Shirik | got it |
| 20:35.44 | Shirik | Primal_Chef.dish.this.contents |
| 20:36.04 | Shirik | oh intellisense, what would I do without you |
| 20:36.26 | Shirik | I never experienced this from a class within a class before, so didn't realize it had to be fully qualified like that :) |
| 20:36.30 | alestane | So even though it's an overclass of the point where I'm trying to use it, I have to refer to it as a static member of its own overclass? |
| 20:36.51 | Shirik | my understanding is that it's just because "dish" does not exist |
| 20:36.58 | Shirik | Primal_Chef.dish exists |
| 20:37.16 | Shirik | whenever you make one, whether it's in a Primal_Chef or not, it must be a Primal_Chef.dish |
| 20:37.25 | Shirik | so it's just fully qualifying the name |
| 20:37.58 | alestane | And if I end up changing my mind about the name of the Primal_Chef class, I'm going to have to change that line too, right? |
| 20:38.38 | Shirik | yup, but a good IDE should take care of that for you :) |
| 20:38.48 | Shirik | *cough* netbeans |
| 20:38.54 | amro | the more I know about Java, the less I want to know |
| 20:39.09 | Shirik | amro, I know what you mean :) |
| 20:39.15 | alestane | Out of curiosity, what if dish is not static... |
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| 20:40.06 | alestane | Apparently it has to be static since it contains an interface declaration. |
| 20:40.22 | Shirik | if it's not static, same thing |
| 20:41.15 | Shirik | actually, wait a second |
| 20:41.19 | Shirik | dish.this.contents is working for me |
| 20:41.52 | alestane | Well, I also discovered one other bonehead error which might have affected it. |
| 20:41.57 | Shirik | heh |
| 20:42.29 | alestane | I was trying to assign an array of loactions to a location. |
| 20:42.33 | alestane | locations* |
| 20:42.44 | alestane | That appears to be the real culprit. |
| 20:42.58 | alestane | All better! |
| 20:43.03 | Shirik | :) |
| 20:43.44 | Shirik | lol, that guy who turned every Lua opcode into "return" posted his code on the lua-l |
| 20:43.53 | alestane | My compiler seems fairly compliant, but not always informative. |
| 20:44.06 | alestane | What did he do that for? |
| 20:44.32 | Shirik | for his program, he needs a way to kill a script that is running |
| 20:44.42 | Shirik | so he had a flag. When that flag is true, every opcode is read as a "return" |
| 20:44.55 | Shirik | I gotta give him credit, it works |
| 20:45.02 | Shirik | it sounds like so much overkill to me though >< |
| 20:45.06 | amro | no halt and catch fire opcode? |
| 20:45.56 | alestane | Meh, Java doesn't allow me to abuse the comma operator in the same way C does, but it was bad style anyway. |
| 20:46.11 | Shirik | I <3 the comma operator! |
| 20:46.18 | Shirik | It made for some great #defines for batrick to work with |
| 20:46.26 | malreth | the BeOS had a function in the API called is_computer_on_fire() that would return the CPU temp if it were on fire and undefined if it wasn't |
| 20:46.47 | Shirik | rofl, seriously? |
| 20:47.02 | malreth | as well as is_computer_off() that would return true if the computer was off and undefined otherwise |
| 20:47.06 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:47.10 | malreth | the devs had a sense of humor |
| 20:47.11 | alestane | variable = someRoutineWithSideEffects, expression_of_appropriate_type; |
| 20:47.17 | hipjipp | why would you add such commands? lol |
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| 20:48.15 | malreth | i'm sorry... it was is_computer_on() |
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| 20:48.21 | batrick | Shirik... |
| 20:48.23 | batrick | ~malreth |
| 20:48.24 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 20:48.24 | malreth | http://www.tycomsystems.com/beos/BeBook/The%20Kernel%20Kit/System.html |
| 20:48.25 | batrick | come on! |
| 20:48.26 | batrick | wtf |
| 20:48.31 | Shirik | ooh ooh: /* Old define, but was so beautiful I had to leave it in: #define KLUA_COND_VAR_TIMEDWAIT(c, m, t) (0==(SleepConditionVariableCS(& (c) , m , (DWORD)((t ->tv_sec * 1000) + (t ->tv_nsec / 1000))))?GetLastError()==ERROR_SEM_TIMEOUT?ETIMEDOUT:GetLastError():0) */ |
| 20:48.32 | batrick | who broke purl |
| 20:48.36 | alestane | I worked out that in C, even the semi-colon can almost be considered an operator. |
| 20:48.46 | malreth | oh, and it was motherboard temp, not cpu temp... so sue me |
| 20:48.46 | Wikwocket | Am I doing something wrong or are logins wonky at http://www.curseforge.com/ ? |
| 20:48.47 | Shirik | batrick, remember that one? |
| 20:49.02 | Shirik | but there's no commas in that |
| 20:49.31 | Shirik | this had one: #define KLUA_SEMAPHORE_CREATE(s, i, m) (s = CreateSemaphoreA(NULL, i , m , NULL), (void)0) |
| 20:49.39 | Shirik | random stuff like that |
| 20:49.51 | Shirik | but that KLUA_COND_VAR_TIMEDWAIT was my favorite |
| 20:49.58 | alestane | Why does one cast 0 to (void)? |
| 20:50.15 | Shirik | to make it have the same effect as a function that returns void |
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| 20:50.31 | alestane | So that statement cannot be used as an expression? |
| 20:50.35 | Shirik | yup |
| 20:50.48 | Shirik | only reason I did that is to mimic pthread_sem_create |
| 20:50.57 | Shirik | or whatever it was I was duplicating |
| 20:51.11 | Guest807 | Good evening, can it be that the current version is not rnning after the wow patch? |
| 20:51.13 | Shirik | I also do things like this: #define KLUA_SETCANCELSTATE(s) ((void)0) |
| 20:51.24 | Shirik | where ((void)0) is essentially removed by the compiler, it's a noop |
| 20:51.24 | batrick | Shirik is trying to make Filum unreadable :( |
| 20:51.34 | batrick | o well he's eliminating all the competition whatever works lol! |
| 20:52.24 | Shirik | Guest807: current version? |
| 20:52.46 | Guest807 | the actually downloadable version of cosmos ui |
| 20:52.50 | malreth | Guest807: the cosmos patcher is down right now |
| 20:53.02 | Guest807 | ah i c thx for info |
| 20:53.06 | malreth | np |
| 20:53.09 | Shirik | ok, in the future please specify that you're talking about cosmos |
| 20:53.20 | Guest807 | when will the server be avaiable again? |
| 20:53.36 | Wikwocket | Sigh curseforge hates me... maybe I should just list my mods on wowi |
| 20:53.38 | Guest807 | sorry for that, I'm here the first time |
| 20:53.39 | Shirik | "soon" |
| 20:53.39 | malreth | is broken... maybe tomorrow it work |
| 20:53.53 | Guest807 | thx, have a nice day/evening together |
| 20:54.01 | malreth | Guest807: love you |
| 20:54.05 | alestane | Not sure, AnduinLothar said the admin had to do a csv restore and it was going slower than....something slow. |
| 20:54.07 | Guest807 | byebye *waves* |
| 20:54.24 | Thunder_Child | malreth, stop scaring away the cosmosians |
| 20:54.39 | malreth | ~panchira Thunder_Child |
| 20:54.40 | purl | ACTION flips Thunder_Child's skirt up. Ooh... Koala print! |
| 20:54.48 | Shirik | but yeah, the comma operator is very nice for macros |
| 20:54.56 | Shirik | especially because a lot of windows APIs return void |
| 20:55.03 | Shirik | whereas the POSIX equivalent returns an error code |
| 20:55.16 | Shirik | so you have to do something like #define KLUA_MUTEX_DESTROY(m) (CloseHandle( m ), 0 ) |
| 20:55.23 | Thunder_Child | Koala!! i thought i had hearts |
| 20:55.37 | malreth | wowinsider reviews TourGuide and has an interview with Leftovers today |
| 20:57.06 | alestane | That's actually in my Japanese-English dictionary. |
| 20:57.53 | malreth | alestane: it should be. panchira is how japanese men gain power and influence |
| 20:58.09 | malreth | it is vital to the japanese economy |
| 20:58.11 | alestane | By displaying their underwear? |
| 20:58.24 | malreth | also, the japanese are fucked up |
| 20:58.36 | malreth | Thunder_Child: hearts... i forgot that one |
| 20:59.00 | malreth | added |
| 20:59.16 | alestane | But honestly, it doesn't surprise me that they have a word for one's underwear being visible; I know they have one for not wearing any. |
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| 20:59.30 | alestane | It's a random select, isn't it. |
| 20:59.42 | malreth | ~literal panchira (.*$) |
| 20:59.43 | purl | ACTION flips (.*$)'s skirt up. Ooh... Striped! |
| 20:59.54 | malreth | hmm.. that's not right |
| 21:00.04 | Thunder_Child | malreth, how in the hell do you forget hearts? |
| 21:00.09 | malreth | oh... |
| 21:00.14 | Thunder_Child | it's a basic staple of crappy underwear |
| 21:00.18 | ckknight | ~literal cmd: panchira (.*?) |
| 21:00.18 | purl | "cmd: panchira (.*?)" is "($n): <action>flips $n's skirt up. Ooh... (White. How typical|Blue spots|Koala print|Panda print. Kawaii|Cherry print|Striped|Puppy paw print|Kitten paw print|Yellow|Blue|Pink|Black. Sexy|Flowers|Hearts. How lovely)!" |
| 21:00.18 | malreth | ~literal cmd: panchira (.*$) |
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| 21:01.47 | malreth | yeah, that's it. thanks, ckknight |
| 21:01.49 | alestane | Walked past a table in a restaurant in Japan where two women were having a conversation, and the only thing I caught at the moment I walked by was "T-bakku pantsu". |
| 21:01.51 | Fisker- | ~roulette |
| 21:01.51 | purl | ACTION watches fisker- pull the trigger: Click! |
| 21:03.30 | Shirik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=sWfICmSlCIc totally NSFW |
| 21:04.00 | Fisker- | looks like a nice game Shirik |
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| 21:05.20 | malreth | and so he still has sex with his sister |
| 21:05.24 | alestane | That is FRIGHTNEING. |
| 21:05.36 | malreth | yeah, you know it |
| 21:05.38 | Thunder_Child | though i am not sure how that is NSFW |
| 21:05.39 | alestane | And hilarious. |
| 21:05.49 | alestane | Depends on the workplace. |
| 21:05.51 | malreth | oh, hi there Guest372 |
| 21:05.57 | Thunder_Child | the most inane pare is the counter |
| 21:06.00 | malreth | do you have a question? |
| 21:06.01 | Thunder_Child | part* |
| 21:06.01 | Shirik | uh, there are some explicit images at specific points :) |
| 21:06.16 | malreth | HAHAHAHAH |
| 21:06.18 | Shirik | Fisker- was in it too |
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| 21:06.44 | Fisker- | i'm gonna go to sleep with some nice pantsu dreams |
| 21:06.45 | Fisker- | bai |
| 21:07.05 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Fisker- |
| 21:07.05 | purl | plops Fisker- into a giant vat of herring |
| 21:07.10 | Shirik | I really wish why I even knew about that video |
| 21:07.20 | malreth | Shirik: one of those YT comments sums up my thoughts exactly, "holy cock!" |
| 21:07.26 | alestane | really wish you knew why you know about it? |
| 21:07.34 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:07.42 | Shirik | someone showed it to me like years ago |
| 21:07.45 | Shirik | and I still know about it... |
| 21:07.48 | Thunder_Child | he also knows about the what what song but knows why for that one |
| 21:08.08 | Shirik | Male version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=cAi2xqpQgNM |
| 21:08.44 | Shirik | which, I should point out, is a GREAT song and has a lot of meaning |
| 21:08.46 | Shirik | but also hilarious |
| 21:09.10 | amro | yatta! |
| 21:09.32 | malreth | ~wiki Happa-tai |
| 21:09.44 | alestane | Which is gaining wider recognition apparently, probably because of Heroes. |
| 21:10.06 | Shirik | actually, some lines of this song were in my signature for a while :) |
| 21:10.14 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, that kinda reminds me of full monty |
| 21:10.23 | amro | got a popularity spike from Irrational Exuberance |
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| 21:11.45 | AckisWork | is there a way to get the second result of string.find? |
| 21:11.51 | Shirik | sure |
| 21:11.59 | Shirik | local _, foo = string.find(... |
| 21:11.59 | amro | http://www.verylowsodium.com/fanimutation/exuberance great animation, NSFW image at one point |
| 21:12.12 | AckisWork | no, I mean the second pattern that's found |
| 21:12.15 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:12.25 | Shirik | do you really want to use string.find? |
| 21:12.28 | malreth | if you want subtitles: http://youtube.com/watch?v=b2wK4ZY9_6Y |
| 21:12.32 | Shirik | gmatch will work for you |
| 21:12.39 | AckisWork | Shirik: not sure, I'm horrible w/ regexp |
| 21:12.45 | Shirik | what are you trying to do? |
| 21:13.08 | AckisWork | right now just trying to learn how to crawl a web-page, so I want to get random info from my curse.com add-on page |
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| 21:14.09 | Shirik | ok well if you really want to use string.find |
| 21:14.15 | AckisWork | I'm not set on it |
| 21:14.17 | Shirik | string.find takes a 3rd parameter which indicates where to start |
| 21:14.48 | Shirik | so you would use string.find once to find the first match, take that return value and figure out where the first match ends, then pass that back into string.find to find the second match |
| 21:15.03 | Shirik | string.gmatch, on the other hand, keeps giving you the matches |
| 21:15.30 | Shirik | lua> for c in string.gmatch("hello world", ".") do print(c) end |
| 21:15.31 | lua_bot | Shirik: h, e, l, l, o, , w, o, r, l, d |
| 21:15.32 | AckisWork | ok I think string..gmatch may work better |
| 21:17.02 | AckisWork | that would explain why I didn't use it, no wiki entry and my memory is horrible |
| 21:17.54 | Shirik | :) |
| 21:17.59 | Shirik | string.gmatch is one of my favorite functions |
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| 21:22.45 | hipjipp | hmm... does anyone know of an text editor that can show up to 4 files at once like opera can show webpages? |
| 21:24.07 | Kirov | araxis |
| 21:24.37 | Shirik | visual studio |
| 21:25.00 | Kirov | crimson (free) I think |
| 21:25.17 | Kirov | or multiple instances of notepad. :) |
| 21:25.21 | Arrowmaster | wtf since when does luabot combine prints() inside of a for loop? |
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| 21:25.30 | Arrowmaster | SciTE |
| 21:25.56 | Kirov | for whatever reason, when ever I see SciTE I read "shite" |
| 21:26.27 | Kirov | The editor itself is good, but I can't make myself use it |
| 21:26.39 | Kirov | I used TextPad though, so I shouldn't really talk |
| 21:26.55 | cladhaire | vim |
| 21:27.03 | hipjipp | i use notepad++, but it can only show two at a time.. =/ |
| 21:27.05 | Kirov | eek |
| 21:27.20 | hipjipp | ? |
| 21:27.20 | amro | kate :D |
| 21:27.30 | Shirik | kate can die |
| 21:27.35 | Kirov | vim is for insane people... like sysadmins and real programmers. |
| 21:27.36 | amro | =( |
| 21:27.42 | Shirik | fricking tabs on the side are all like |
| 21:27.45 | Shirik | ooh look I'm fading out |
| 21:27.47 | Shirik | click me again! |
| 21:27.51 | Shirik | and then you get all distracted |
| 21:27.53 | amro | lol |
| 21:27.56 | Shirik | and then you completely forget what you're doing |
| 21:27.57 | amro | get rid of them |
| 21:28.09 | Shirik | vim is win |
| 21:28.21 | hipjipp | Shirik: lol |
| 21:28.23 | durcyn | fuck kate for remembering the last file you edited, then mindlessly overwriting it |
| 21:28.25 | Shirik | I have found myself typing :wq into notepad occasionally :/ |
| 21:28.37 | Thunder_Child | vim IS win |
| 21:29.32 | Arrowmaster | hipjipp: are you sure it only show 2 at a time? i thought notepad++ showed a lot more than that |
| 21:29.36 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.59 | Arrowmaster | i seriously want to switch to a mac just for textmate, it looks so nice |
| 21:30.26 | amro | not a huge fan of vim's splitviews |
| 21:30.27 | hipjipp | arrowmaster: well.. i've only found the function to make a file move or clone to the second view.. but i might've missed something |
| 21:31.41 | Kirov | http://www.e-texteditor.com/ - textmate for the pc |
| 21:31.48 | Kirov | though not as pretty |
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| 21:32.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah ive seen that before and it didnt really even look the same to me |
| 21:32.55 | amro | http://hamberg.no/erlend/index.php/2008/06/27/gsoc-2008-vi-input-mode-for-the-kate-kpart/ |
| 21:33.12 | Lunessa | emacs |
| 21:33.26 | Kirov | ~lart Lunessa |
| 21:33.26 | purl | whacks Lunessa upside the head |
| 21:33.41 | Lunessa | oh, and "station" |
| 21:34.06 | Lunessa | I just finished teaching a class on mail merge. feh. I hate teaching Office 2007. |
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| 21:35.39 | cncfanatics | hmmm, wld it be possible to clone a virtual terminal ala rxvt (but much simpler) in WoW ? :p |
| 21:35.43 | Kirov | amro - what does opera's plit view look like? |
| 21:36.00 | Kirov | cncfanatics - eh? |
| 21:36.07 | Shirik | cladhaire: ping |
| 21:36.09 | Kirov | engrish pweez |
| 21:36.10 | amro | dunno, I don't use opera |
| 21:36.17 | cladhaire | pongish |
| 21:36.22 | Kirov | sorry |
| 21:36.32 | Kirov | hipjipp_ - what does opera's split view look like |
| 21:36.33 | Shirik | you need to get a hold of yuri and tell him he needs to send me the picture! |
| 21:36.42 | cladhaire | uhh |
| 21:36.43 | cladhaire | ok? |
| 21:36.47 | cladhaire | what picture |
| 21:36.50 | Shirik | I don't have his email :( |
| 21:36.50 | cladhaire | and why can'tyou? |
| 21:36.58 | cladhaire | he's emailed the mailing lit |
| 21:37.00 | cladhaire | list |
| 21:37.01 | cladhaire | so yes you do |
| 21:37.02 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:37.07 | zespri | Can a person sign as many guild charters as they want? Like sign, leave the guild sign another live the guild, etc? |
| 21:37.40 | cncfanatics | Kirov: you know what virtual terminals look like on linux ? |
| 21:37.43 | cncfanatics | or a command prompt on windows |
| 21:37.44 | Shirik | ah got it |
| 21:37.48 | Kirov | cncfanatics - sure |
| 21:37.54 | cncfanatics | that, in WoW, to config addons (a) |
| 21:37.55 | Shirik | zespri: yup |
| 21:38.02 | Kirov | cncfanatics - why?! |
| 21:38.03 | cncfanatics | wld forward slashcommands to the addons, I'd love it, damn GUIs |
| 21:38.08 | cncfanatics | I hate GUIs ;) |
| 21:38.11 | zespri | Shirik, thanks |
| 21:38.30 | Kirov | cncfanatics - make the background to your main chat frame completely black. |
| 21:38.31 | Kirov | donoe |
| 21:38.38 | amro | lol |
| 21:39.20 | cncfanatics | Kirov: no :p |
| 21:39.30 | Shirik | also cladhaire, don't worry you didn't miss much |
| 21:39.35 | Shirik | we skipped the round table discussion |
| 21:39.41 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:39.42 | cladhaire | :P |
| 21:39.45 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 21:39.49 | cladhaire | it was so late |
| 21:39.53 | Shirik | ya |
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| 21:47.42 | cncfanatics | little question |
| 21:47.48 | cncfanatics | I have a secure actionbutton |
| 21:48.04 | cncfanatics | oh wait, sec |
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| 21:48.56 | Hirsute | ... Why is the sky blue? |
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| 21:49.20 | cncfanatics | question inc |
| 21:49.24 | cncfanatics | its slightly complicated |
| 21:49.41 | Kirov | Hirsute - Blue paint is cheaper. |
| 21:49.53 | amro | Hirsute: the answer is more elaborate than you might think |
| 21:49.53 | cncfanatics | Shape1-harm:Unshifted;Shape2-none:Unshifted;Stealth-none:Unshifted;Shape2-help:Unshifted;Shape4-none:Unshifted;Shape2-harm:Unshifted;Shape5-none:Unshifted;Shape3-help:Unshifted;Shape3-harm:Unshifted;Unshifted-harm:Unshifted;Stealth-harm:Unshifted;Shape5-help:Unshifted;Shape5-harm:Unshifted;Shape1-help:Unshifted;Unshifted-none:Unshifted;Unshifted-help:Unshifted;Shape4-help:Unshifted;Shape3-none:Unshifted;Shape4-harm:Unshifted;Stealth-help:Unshift |
| 21:50.02 | Shirik | keylogger imo |
| 21:50.03 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky have fun |
| 21:50.03 | cncfanatics | I have a secure actionbutton with that statebutton attribute |
| 21:50.13 | Hirsute | Kirov: Aaah, I see. |
| 21:50.24 | Guest876 | Hi Everybody. I Cant update my cosmos, looks like server is down. firewall is deactivated, ports are open but it wont connect :( |
| 21:50.26 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: You had to hit the whammy button, didn't you? |
| 21:50.29 | cncfanatics | and when its state driver switches to any state (I'm testing it with Unshifted-none) then all buttons go hide |
| 21:50.36 | cncfanatics | even though the showstates attribute is set to Unshifted |
| 21:50.39 | Thunder_Child | no Hirsute, i dont like that game |
| 21:50.57 | Shirik | Hi Guest876, you are correct |
| 21:51.08 | Guest876 | So the problem is not my pc/firewall/router? |
| 21:51.15 | cncfanatics | an I missunderstanding showstates or ? |
| 21:51.40 | Shirik | your problem could very well be your pc/firewall/router |
| 21:51.48 | Shirik | however the server is also down |
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| 21:52.43 | Guest876 | well but i don't think my pc is the problem. everytime i let cosmos.exe checking for some updates it worked well... just today it says "blabla error server bla" ^_^ |
| 21:53.08 | cncfanatics | Guest876: cosmos server is down iirc |
| 21:54.07 | Guest876 | mkay, good to know. btw: friendsfacts bug... someone fixxed it already yet? |
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| 22:01.36 | nevcairiel | Setting a new text on a fontstring taints it already? |
| 22:01.37 | nevcairiel | wtf |
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| 22:10.44 | foxlit | Hm |
| 22:11.05 | foxlit | I wonder if you could exploit that, then |
| 22:11.26 | foxlit | Can anchor buttons to fontstrings |
| 22:11.37 | foxlit | :SetText() isn't protected, but changes fontstring rect if width/height is not set |
| 22:12.25 | foxlit | That makes "spam clicks in this general area to cast arbitrary spells at arbitrary targets" scenario possible |
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| 22:13.52 | cncfanatics | hmmm, what is this ? does the showstates attribute use the state of the parrent instead of the one of the child for checking visibility ? (just checked in blizz code ,it seems to) |
| 22:16.26 | foxlit | Yes, why not? :) |
| 22:16.41 | foxlit | Your parent is typically your header |
| 22:16.46 | Findecano | Probably sick of hearing this question by now, but is there an ETA on the return of the cosmos distribution server? |
| 22:16.51 | foxlit | So why would you be in a different state :) |
| 22:16.53 | cncfanatics | yea, but my button maps state using the statebutton attribute |
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| 22:17.20 | cncfanatics | and I wld be in a different state because I want buttons to be able to map differenrly from eachother without using a stateheader for each of them |
| 22:17.44 | wsa27 | anyone having a problem with the patcher communicating with the server? |
| 22:18.07 | Hirsute | Not I |
| 22:18.16 | Findecano | yeah, I just asked about it |
| 22:18.17 | Hirsute | At least, if you meant Blizz's patcher |
| 22:18.20 | cncfanatics | foxlit: any ideas ? |
| 22:18.24 | Tenchworks | be a bit more specific, which patcher? |
| 22:18.58 | Hirsute | If you mean you're having a hard time updating your Cosmos, yes, the distribution server is kaput |
| 22:19.14 | wsa27 | oh ok. Yea, thats what I meant |
| 22:19.30 | foxlit | cncfanatics: can find out, but that takes effort |
| 22:19.31 | Thunder_Child | no no Findecano, we love hearing about it |
| 22:19.40 | foxlit | statebutton, iirc, modifies pressed button based on state |
| 22:19.57 | wsa27 | Guess I'll just try later |
| 22:20.41 | cncfanatics | statebutton is suposed to modify the state the button is in |
| 22:20.51 | cncfanatics | but if I'm reading this code correctly TestChildVisibility doesn't care |
| 22:20.52 | foxlit | erm |
| 22:21.15 | foxlit | No |
| 22:21.25 | foxlit | "cncfanatics: statebutton is suposed to modify the state the button is in" this isn't it |
| 22:21.34 | Kirov | ops - can someone throw a "Cosmos server is down." in to the topic? |
| 22:22.02 | cncfanatics | foxlit: I seem to misunderstand what statebutton does then ? |
| 22:22.11 | foxlit | SecureStateHeader.lua:1043-1052 describe what happens to "statebutton" |
| 22:22.16 | Findecano | no eta then? there's a big difference between, say, "server having network trouble" and "server's raid controller took a dump and fried the data" |
| 22:22.33 | foxlit | Yeah, it allows you to remap mouse button based on parent header state |
| 22:22.45 | foxlit | Say someone clicked your button using the left mouse button |
| 22:23.10 | foxlit | But since your parent header is in state 5, you can remap that click to say the right mouse button - or any "virtual" button you like |
| 22:23.21 | Kirov | Findecano - the people I know of who would know the answer to that question and are in this channel have been idle for several hours. |
| 22:23.43 | foxlit | That changes how the button handles the click (GetModifiedAttribute supports button-specific suffixes, which allow you to describe alternate behaviors based on which button was used to click) |
| 22:23.51 | Findecano | alright, that probably answers my question then |
| 22:25.06 | cncfanatics | foxlit: so basicly, its only for action remaps and not everything else ? |
| 22:26.01 | foxlit | It's very local: it simply changes which mouse button was considered to have caused the click on a parented secureactionbutton |
| 22:26.10 | foxlit | (well, any parented secure*button) |
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| 22:26.47 | cncfanatics | I'm wondering why its that local actualy |
| 22:27.00 | foxlit | What else would you want? |
| 22:27.10 | cncfanatics | having it work for about every attribute :) |
| 22:27.17 | Guest531 | s |
| 22:27.32 | foxlit | It doesn't do anything to change the state, mind you |
| 22:28.18 | cncfanatics | well, it seems to do when you usualy work with the onclick attributes |
| 22:28.23 | cncfanatics | but I'll remember that, tnx |
| 22:29.09 | cncfanatics | going to bed now |
| 22:29.11 | cncfanatics | I'll fix this tomorrow |
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| 22:30.20 | foxlit | Somehow I don't think we've come to an understanding there :( |
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| 22:33.21 | Lunessa | im in ur addonz, loggin ur keyz, *headdesk* |
| 22:33.34 | foxlit | psst: codejam in 26 minutes! |
| 22:33.54 | foxlit | Lunessa: new plan |
| 22:34.01 | foxlit | Fake a disconnect, capture your keys using an addon! |
| 22:34.11 | foxlit | send them in /1, done |
| 22:34.27 | Lunessa | foxlit - brilliant. BRILLIANT. |
| 22:35.25 | Kirov | hmm... the UI does have access to all of the assets from the login. |
| 22:35.30 | Kirov | that's freakin' evil |
| 22:35.48 | foxlit | There's only one thing that gets hard |
| 22:36.03 | Shirik | next thing WoW would do is what Microsoft did to resolve that |
| 22:36.13 | Shirik | require a ctrl+alt+del to log on (though WoW would have to use some other combination) |
| 22:36.14 | foxlit | The login background is animated, you'd be hard-pressed to create relevant effects from addon code |
| 22:36.28 | Kirov | foxlit - not really. |
| 22:36.39 | Kirov | The login background is an animated MODEL |
| 22:36.42 | foxlit | You can display arbitrary maps? |
| 22:36.49 | Kirov | it's not a map |
| 22:37.01 | Lunessa | Fox its a model. Make a frame. :) |
| 22:37.13 | foxlit | So, in the next evil 23 minutes! |
| 22:40.02 | foxlit | The question is, which model? |
| 22:40.35 | kd3 | something from the gluexml? |
| 22:43.31 | Kirov | Interface\\Glues\\models\\ui_mainmenu_burningcrusade\\ui_mainmenu_burningcrusade |
| 22:44.03 | foxlit | now to get the camera to something reasonable |
| 22:44.27 | Kirov | set it to use camera 1 |
| 22:45.23 | Kirov | SetCamera(0) or SetCamera(1) |
| 22:45.25 | Kirov | should be one of those |
| 22:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: the reason ctrl+alt+del 'works' is because windows watched for that key combo at a higher level than... most everything. A WoW equal would be almost entirely worthless |
| 22:46.12 | Shirik | why do you say that |
| 22:46.26 | Shirik | it would be fairly simple to stop Lua from receiving a specific keybind |
| 22:46.28 | foxlit | Hey, works |
| 22:46.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Because nothing can intercept a ctrl+alt+del as far as the OS is concerned - aside from the OS |
| 22:46.48 | foxlit | Except there's a particle effect that's pretty mad, sec. |
| 22:46.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise, you can't arbitrarily create your own "uninterceptable" keystrokes or override others |
| 22:47.00 | Shirik | and nothing can intercept ctrl+alt+shift+$ if WoW decides to |
| 22:47.03 | foxlit | Scale |
| 22:47.03 | Shirik | yes you can |
| 22:47.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Show me a ctrl+alt+del replacement program |
| 22:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Go! |
| 22:47.23 | Shirik | You miss the fact that WoW controls Lua, not the other way around |
| 22:47.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm missing something then |
| 22:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I have no idea how that relates |
| 22:47.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm talking on the OS level and you're talking on the game level ;) |
| 22:47.55 | Shirik | and why would we need to go any further than the game level? |
| 22:48.01 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: the proposed attack happens at the lua level |
| 22:48.05 | foxlit | Which is below the game |
| 22:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me --- ah |
| 22:48.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Then never mind |
| 22:48.25 | foxlit | so just as CTRL+ALT+DEL saves the system from application-level attacks |
| 22:48.30 | |Jelly| | Anyone been to Hyjal since the patch? |
| 22:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: it's been hotfixed |
| 22:49.05 | |Jelly| | The rolling restarts this morning? |
| 22:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure, but there is a blue post in R&D stating that it was hotfixed |
| 22:50.37 | |Jelly| | Any chance on a link? |
| 22:50.47 | Shirik | cladhaire: ping |
| 22:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 22:51.02 | cladhaire | pong? |
| 22:51.07 | Shirik | does buffy still work? |
| 22:51.12 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/7903868441.htm |
| 22:51.35 | Shirik | if so, any chance I could get it? >< |
| 22:51.46 | cladhaire | i dont know that i have code for buffy |
| 22:51.51 | cladhaire | lemme look |
| 22:51.52 | Shirik | ah boo |
| 22:51.55 | Shirik | any other suggestions then? |
| 22:52.07 | cladhaire | for a paladin? |
| 22:52.13 | cladhaire | ther'es like 80,000 mods :P |
| 22:52.18 | cladhaire | or for something else? |
| 22:52.34 | Shirik | well my main goal is to keep buffs on people |
| 22:52.38 | Shirik | priest actually |
| 22:53.22 | cladhaire | cork? |
| 22:53.27 | cladhaire | there'sa bunch of addons that do it |
| 22:53.35 | cladhaire | i'd have to hunt for buffy, pretty hard |
| 22:53.49 | Shirik | well I've never used one before so I didn't know of anything off the top of my head :P Aside from Buffy |
| 22:54.05 | cladhaire | Das Madchen schriben |
| 22:54.06 | cladhaire | umm |
| 22:54.09 | cladhaire | mikma might have buffy? |
| 22:54.23 | Lunessa | foxlit: so evil. Never publish it, m'kay? |
| 22:54.26 | Shirik | I'll just browse around for a while :) |
| 22:54.30 | Shirik | it's ok |
| 22:54.46 | cladhaire | Der Mann liest |
| 22:59.46 | bleeter | hehe http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903660157&sid=1#7 |
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| 23:02.15 | Lunessa | Vrakthris likes "Firefly." |
| 23:02.41 | cladhaire | Shirik: i'd be up for starting a new buffy with someone, if you're interested :P |
| 23:02.55 | cladhaire | but i'm gonna go get some food |
| 23:03.23 | cladhaire | Das Männ isst |
| 23:03.46 | ZealotOnAStick | shirik, tried zomgbuffs? Or is it entirely too paladin-oriented? |
| 23:04.00 | cladhaire | ZealotOnAStick: Buffy was just teh uber simple |
| 23:04.07 | cladhaire | like stoopid simple :P |
| 23:04.26 | cladhaire | wish i could find it =( |
| 23:07.54 | Kirov | buffy? |
| 23:08.26 | Kirov | Ignoring the Joss Whedon references, I'm assuming it's some sort of one click buff-all? |
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| 23:13.44 | hipjipp_ | does anyone know how i change the font of buffs/debuffs timeleft text? |
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| 23:15.22 | Guest440 | sry to be anoying but can anyone tell me why my patcher sais "error communicating with server" when it tries to get the current distro? |
| 23:15.48 | Thunder_Child | the server is down |
| 23:15.56 | Guest440 | ah right |
| 23:16.08 | Guest440 | any idea when it will be back up? |
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| 23:16.20 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 23:16.27 | Guest440 | ok thx heaps man |
| 23:16.31 | Thunder_Child | np |
| 23:16.33 | Guest440 | cya |
| 23:17.23 | Thunder_Child | someone needs to post on csoms that the server is down |
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| 23:17.48 | Thunder_Child | cosmos* |
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| 23:18.58 | Lunessa | "Oh noes, mai servr is downed! Wut 2 do? HALP!" |
| 23:19.27 | Thunder_Child | it would keep us from having to answer it every xx minutes |
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| 23:33.02 | Dashkal | !api GetLocale |
| 23:33.02 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetLocale' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetLocale |
| 23:41.17 | wsa27 | . |
| 23:42.03 | Dashkal | Who is maintaining those pages? |
| 23:45.23 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: its actually a wiki |
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| 23:49.02 | Corrodias | "four character locale code" - of what data type? |
| 23:49.16 | Dashkal | hmm, suppose I should get an account then. Wanted to update that page to reflect the enGB -> enUS thing |
| 23:49.18 | Kirov | string |
| 23:49.21 | Corrodias | if it's talking about characters, it is probably a string, but who knows? enum maybe. |
| 23:49.57 | Kirov | Corrodias - enum? Not a concept wow has |
| 23:50.01 | Kirov | or lua rather |
| 23:50.19 | Kirov | that page states that it's a string. |
| 23:50.47 | Esamynn|Work | indeed |
| 23:50.53 | Dashkal | oh that was just beautiful |
| 23:51.03 | Esamynn|Work | ??? |
| 23:51.04 | Dashkal | "Sputnik ran but failed due to an unexpected error." |
| 23:51.14 | Esamynn|Work | ... |
| 23:51.23 | Dashkal | in response to registering |
| 23:51.24 | Corrodias | it does? oh |
| 23:51.35 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 23:52.25 | Dashkal | apparently it really doesn't like it when I run with javascript disabled and never see teh captcha |
| 23:52.32 | Esamynn|Work | lol |
| 23:54.07 | Esamynn|Work | how totally unreasonable |
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| 23:55.57 | Dashkal | I wouldn't mind being rejected, but I'm amused I got a traceback that way |
| 23:56.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: the wowprogramming site? |
| 23:57.53 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: yes |
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| 23:59.23 | Kaso | its written in lua thats why |
