| 00:00.21 | Thunder_Child | done |
| 00:01.25 | foxlit | though I should've thought of that tomorrow, seeing as to how the states are still in Sunday mode |
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| 00:17.14 | Codex| | ~wiki antidisestablishmentarianism |
| 00:17.15 | Codex| | .cry |
| 00:17.15 | Shirik | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidisestablishmentarianism, wikipedia states: Antidisestablishmentarianism (listen to British sample (info), American sample (info)) is a political position that originated in nineteenth-century Britain, where antidisestablishmentarians were opposed to proposals to remove the Church of England's status as the state church of England forwarded principally by both Payne and Tuffin. |
| 00:17.15 | Shirik | :) |
| 00:17.15 | Codex| | dang haha |
| 00:17.15 | |Jelly| | Damn you, Shirik! |
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| 00:17.15 | Codex| | you forgot (URL) after the url |
| 00:17.15 | Codex| | :p |
| 00:17.15 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:17.15 | Codex| | .HUG |
| 00:17.15 | Codex| | .hug* |
| 00:17.16 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis |
| 00:17.16 | |Jelly| | Shirik: silicosis |
| 00:17.16 | Shirik | :P |
| 00:17.16 | Shirik | your wiki traversement skills exceed mine |
| 00:17.16 | Codex| | Shirik|Ecole the .ogg file of "listen" of that name ofb roken' |
| 00:17.16 | |Jelly| | I like to cut through the BS. <3 |
| 00:17.16 | Codex| | only reads half of it |
| 00:17.16 | Shirik | so like, 3 hours ago I was compiling KDE |
| 00:17.16 | Shirik | I gave up after 2 hours and let it compile while I go to outback |
| 00:17.16 | Shirik | I come back and it's still going |
| 00:17.26 | kd3 | that's why you let your distro compile it for you? |
| 00:17.31 | Codex| | playing the .ogg in firefox it gets up to microscoping. in a media player, only up to volcano |
| 00:17.37 | Codex| | lag? |
| 00:17.48 | amro | purl was napping |
| 00:18.10 | ScytheBlade1 | purl is rate-limited on a global basis per server |
| 00:18.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus purl is a passive perl script that runs on a dual CPU 300MHz board iirc |
| 00:18.38 | |Jelly| | Go watch beerfest. |
| 00:18.48 | amro | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk |
| 00:19.31 | Shirik | fall of adam and eve? |
| 00:19.33 | Shirik | what fall? |
| 00:20.01 | Shirik | rofl, that page breaks the wiki templates, amro |
| 00:20.04 | Shirik | look at the right side |
| 00:20.25 | amro | yeah |
| 00:20.34 | amro | im still shocked someone actually typed that |
| 00:20.38 | Shirik | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lepadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimypotrimmatosilphiotyromelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptokephaliokinklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetragalopterygon |
| 00:21.26 | Codex| | [8:20pm] <amro> im still shocked someone actually typed that correctly |
| 00:21.30 | Codex| | fixed |
| 00:21.32 | Codex| | :P |
| 00:22.05 | amro | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Long_English_words |
| 00:22.07 | amro | totally broken |
| 00:22.52 | Shirik | yah |
| 00:22.55 | Shirik | thats' where I found that one ^ |
| 00:23.24 | amro | that's where I found baba*, but I missed the second one because of the breakage |
| 00:23.32 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 00:23.37 | Shirik | we have a wiki contradiction! |
| 00:23.44 | Shirik | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis |
| 00:23.49 | Shirik | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis |
| 00:23.54 | Shirik | dun dun dun..... |
| 00:24.20 | amro | from k to c! must be a conspiracy |
| 00:24.37 | Shirik | but how do we know which is correct! |
| 00:24.47 | Shirik | they're both on wikipedia, so they must both be correct |
| 00:25.00 | Shirik | but the existence of one implies the incorrectness of the other |
| 00:25.14 | amro | then we have no choice but to use "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis/pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" in writing |
| 00:25.16 | Shirik | so they're both wrong, but by being wrong they no longer prove the fact that they are wrong |
| 00:25.21 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:26.07 | Codex| | whats the lf guild channel |
| 00:26.10 | Codex| | lookingforguild? |
| 00:26.16 | Codex| | oh guildrecruitment |
| 00:26.18 | Shirik | GuildRecruitment |
| 00:26.19 | Codex| | thats why i was all alone |
| 00:26.33 | |Jelly| | amro: errm ... |
| 00:26.34 | Shirik | you can't do LFG |
| 00:26.48 | |Jelly| | [19:14]<|Jelly|>Shirik: silicosis << |
| 00:27.02 | Codex| | you cant /join GuildRecruitment? |
| 00:27.11 | Shirik | no I mean you can't call it LookingForGroup |
| 00:27.12 | Shirik | er |
| 00:27.15 | Shirik | LookingForGuild |
| 00:27.17 | Shirik | because that's LFG |
| 00:27.23 | Shirik | can't have two LFGs |
| 00:27.35 | Shirik | it would become the next pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis/pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis conspiracy |
| 00:27.43 | amro | rofl |
| 00:27.44 | Shirik | also, ~hug |Jelly| |
| 00:28.07 | |Jelly| | Shirik: ? |
| 00:28.18 | Shirik | (20:26:48) (|Jelly|) [19:14]<|Jelly|>Shirik: silicosis << |
| 00:28.26 | |Jelly| | Ahh |
| 00:29.07 | Shirik | anyone want to take bets on when KDE finishes compiling? |
| 00:29.18 | Shirik | I sure hope to god I never have to recompile it |
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| 00:29.26 | kd3 | never? |
| 00:29.35 | kd3 | compiled kde4 is a myth |
| 00:29.37 | Shirik | well, at least the whole package |
| 00:29.49 | Shirik | maybe one ebuild at a time |
| 00:29.57 | Shirik | but not the whole thing at once.... |
| 00:30.07 | amro | it pulls in all sorts of other packages |
| 00:30.26 | amro | gnome took me nearly 24hours |
| 00:30.42 | Shirik | I have a decently fast computer at least |
| 00:31.34 | amro | I sure hope you have the proper use flags |
| 00:31.42 | amro | might have to recompile portions if not |
| 00:34.11 | haste | I sure hope you use paludis also |
| 00:36.20 | Shirik | amro, I checked it twice |
| 00:36.31 | Shirik | but.... I'm a master of not having the right use flags |
| 00:36.37 | Shirik | so.... that's what I'm most worried about |
| 00:36.42 | Shirik | but wtf is paludis? |
| 00:36.52 | Shirik | oh! Finally a status page |
| 00:37.01 | Shirik | Emerging (45 of 46) kde-base/kdeaddons-3.5.9 |
| 00:37.05 | Shirik | so close.... |
| 00:37.12 | haste | portage :( |
| 00:37.22 | Shirik | portage = win |
| 00:37.38 | haste | paludis is superior |
| 00:37.44 | haste | http://paludis.pioto.org/ |
| 00:37.45 | Arrowmaster | gentoo fails |
| 00:38.37 | Shirik | why is paludis better? |
| 00:39.31 | haste | faster, stricter and easier to use custom overlays and such |
| 00:39.40 | Shirik | "stricter"? |
| 00:40.30 | haste | portage doesn't follow all of its own spec |
| 00:40.52 | haste | makes shortcuts, ignores unit tests |
| 00:41.09 | Shirik | ah |
| 00:41.13 | haste | also a living hell debugging ebuilds with it |
| 00:41.22 | Shirik | that reminds me |
| 00:41.40 | Shirik | While building this I saw "user root does not have access to X, skipping test" |
| 00:41.47 | Shirik | why not? |
| 00:42.20 | haste | X as in the software :p ? |
| 00:42.25 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:42.37 | Shirik | that seems a bit odd to me |
| 00:42.49 | haste | it probably just checked if DISPLAY was set |
| 00:43.16 | haste | you can use X as root, but I don't see a reason why you would |
| 00:43.32 | Shirik | yeah I don't intend to, I just found it odd :P |
| 00:43.42 | Shirik | My friend uses it as root, I yell at him for this though |
| 00:43.45 | Shirik | root is his primary account |
| 00:43.52 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 00:44.13 | Shirik | omg |
| 00:44.27 | Arrowmaster | root cant even login on my box |
| 00:44.29 | Shirik | / # |
| 00:44.34 | Shirik | blinking cursor... |
| 00:44.49 | haste | grats? |
| 00:45.01 | Shirik | :) |
| 00:45.46 | Thunder_Child | anyone know a good universal PSU faceplate fitter? |
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| 01:11.40 | Thunder_Child | anyone know if you can have 2 diff vid cards on a system in non sli mode? |
| 01:12.42 | fridgid | yes? |
| 01:12.56 | [dRaCo] | guess windows would screw up terribly |
| 01:13.07 | fridgid | not really |
| 01:13.27 | Shirik | yes you can Thunder_Child |
| 01:13.44 | [dRaCo] | why would you wanna use 2 different graphic cards, though? |
| 01:14.14 | Thunder_Child | for more monitors |
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| 01:14.34 | Tenchworks | I have 2 different Vid cards in my pc now supporting my tri-monitor setup |
| 01:15.05 | Thunder_Child | what happens with games that dont let you pick the output monitor? |
| 01:15.22 | Thunder_Child | 50/50 for what it renders on? |
| 01:15.32 | Tenchworks | it goes to the primary monitor, whichever is set as monitor 1 |
| 01:15.42 | Tenchworks | all games do |
| 01:15.50 | Tenchworks | or for me anyways |
| 01:16.17 | Tenchworks | I usually change them if possible to windowed mode after first run and move then wherever I want |
| 01:17.12 | Thunder_Child | hah, i was going to stick some old ones in...then i realised i dont have any agp slots |
| 01:17.28 | Tenchworks | hehe |
| 01:17.40 | Thunder_Child | if i had the room i have 3 or 4 older monitors kicking around.... |
| 01:17.50 | Thunder_Child | 6 monitor setup ftw |
| 01:18.10 | Tenchworks | I'm long due for a complete upgrade of this machine but it still has some power for me to force out |
| 01:18.25 | Tenchworks | oh a word of warning on that |
| 01:18.31 | [dRaCo] | depending on what resolution your graphics card supports you could try splitting the signal with some box thingy |
| 01:18.34 | Thunder_Child | mine is due for an up grade but i still have some money to force out... |
| 01:18.44 | Tenchworks | the more monitors you run, the more cpu the OS starts to use to handle it |
| 01:19.07 | Tenchworks | *power |
| 01:19.29 | Thunder_Child | power i can handle |
| 01:19.37 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 01:20.22 | Funkeh` | Not sure how an addon posted on WoWI by a person that sin't the author got approved? |
| 01:20.52 | Cairenn | Funkeh`: what mod? |
| 01:21.05 | Funkeh` | diamond threat meter |
| 01:21.20 | Thunder_Child | because people are falibale (sp?) |
| 01:21.21 | batbot | Thunder_Child, nothing found. |
| 01:21.26 | Funkeh` | it's like the first line in the description |
| 01:21.36 | Cairenn | yeah, I see that |
| 01:22.01 | Cairenn | it's poofing |
| 01:22.28 | Funkeh` | sounds dirty |
| 01:23.01 | Thunder_Child | i was going to SS it and fail it but its to much work |
| 01:27.48 | Funkeh` | Thunder_Child, http://i34.tinypic.com/2he9f7s.jpg make it your wallpaper |
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| 01:31.32 | Thunder_Child | Funkeh`, nice, but it's to much work to set it as my background |
| 01:31.45 | Funkeh` | you mean like, right clicking it? |
| 01:32.07 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the Opie website? |
| 01:32.20 | Funkeh` | it's on it's addon page |
| 01:38.47 | Thunder_Child | Funkeh`, yes rclikcing is to much work |
| 01:40.27 | Sixen | Any particular MPQ Extractor you guys suggest? |
| 01:40.43 | kd3 | I'm using mpq editor 2 |
| 01:41.24 | Sixen | http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/download.html -- That? |
| 01:41.32 | kd3 | ya |
| 01:41.42 | Sixen | Know if it supports Starcraft/War3? |
| 01:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I should convince that Quantam guy to write a new version of mpq2k that is like WinMPQ, but doesn't suck |
| 01:41.53 | kd3 | wc3 ya, dunno about starcraft |
| 01:41.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, it should |
| 01:41.58 | Sixen | Okey. |
| 01:42.02 | Sixen | Hahaha sbo |
| 01:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll work on SC |
| 01:42.13 | ScytheBlade1 | You're a b.net person, Sixen |
| 01:42.18 | Sixen | :( |
| 01:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I know most all of the prominent modders who made modding tools for SC/War3/etc |
| 01:42.48 | Sixen | Mmmmm. They all use one by one of the Modmakers though. |
| 01:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, Quantam, ShadowFlare, KingArthur, Veldahar, etc |
| 01:43.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, sfmpqapi.dll |
| 01:43.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ShadowFlare's implimentation of Quantam's MPQ library |
| 01:43.39 | Sixen | ShadowFlare's yes. |
| 01:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ShadowFlare, for whatever reason, refuses to make sfmpqapi.dll work with WoW-sized MPQ files |
| 01:46.21 | Sixen | =[ |
| 01:46.43 | kd3 | doesn't want to deal with 64bit math? |
| 01:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It might require VB libs to run |
| 01:48.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Well WinMPQ does, the .dll doesn't |
| 01:48.50 | Sixen | Hmm |
| 01:49.03 | Sixen | Do you use any editors in particular, sbo? |
| 01:49.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Sec |
| 01:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Well give me 5 minutes |
| 01:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Going to wipe on Reliquary of Souls |
| 01:50.01 | Sixen | No worries. |
| 01:53.18 | Arrowmaster | MyWarcraftStudio is the only (windows) program i know of that can open wows common.mpq |
| 01:53.34 | Shirik | still? |
| 01:53.58 | Shirik | I mean the specs on the new format were available quite some time ago |
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| 01:54.07 | Arrowmaster | last time i went looking i couldnt find anything else that worked, although i might have only been finding older versions of some of the stuff |
| 01:54.07 | Shirik | I would have thought someone made another program by now (like wowmpq) |
| 01:54.24 | Shirik | I was going to do it but I just ran out of time |
| 01:54.25 | kd3 | mpqedit2? |
| 01:54.27 | kd3 | works fine for me |
| 01:54.36 | Sixen | I'm using it without any issue right now. |
| 01:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Link to mpqedit2? |
| 01:54.51 | kd3 | scroll up, sixen linked it |
| 01:54.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah its extremely hard to get links to a lot of this stuff |
| 01:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, yup, Ladik's stuff |
| 01:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | He's keeping that up to date (Quantam just linked me) |
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| 01:56.16 | Sixen | [06:41:30 PM] Sixen: http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/download.html -- That? |
| 01:56.27 | Sixen | Someone needs to recreate/make WoWBench. |
| 01:56.34 | Sixen | recreate/update* |
| 01:56.53 | Shirik | hm |
| 01:57.01 | Shirik | if the caps lock key starts flashing during init, does that mean something? |
| 01:57.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That your kernel pissed itself and died |
| 01:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 01:57.22 | Shirik | bleh |
| 01:57.40 | Shirik | I just recompiled it... apparently wrong :P |
| 01:58.29 | Lopeppeppy | Oops |
| 01:58.44 | Shirik | nbd I only changed one thing |
| 01:58.48 | Shirik | I can undo it or work around it |
| 01:59.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Ladik's stuff should work now that I page through it (as kd3 has verified, heh) |
| 01:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought he had died |
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| 02:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/namebreak.html |
| 02:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a fun page |
| 03:25.11 | Shirik | well, illidan down, first kill horde side |
| 03:25.15 | Shirik | for our server |
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| 03:25.31 | Shirik | and of course, I wasn't there <-- feels like crap now |
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| 03:32.25 | malreth | ZOMG guys how many downloads do i has on my internets i needs 2 no! |
| 03:33.50 | malreth | plxxxx!@# |
| 03:35.10 | malreth | purl, halp |
| 03:35.10 | purl | help yourself, scrub. |
| 03:35.19 | malreth | :( |
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| 03:51.59 | batrick | Shirik: I thought u played alliance? |
| 03:52.07 | Shirik | negative good sir |
| 03:52.08 | |Jelly| | Shirik plays fail. |
| 03:52.11 | Shirik | Shirik is alliance, but I don't play Shirik anymore |
| 03:52.20 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick: negative, he's even more fail, he's a BE priest |
| 03:52.32 | batrick | o rly |
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| 03:52.50 | batrick | shirik go transfer to destromath i need a priest for my 5s |
| 03:53.14 | JamesJr | Is it possible to be in a small area like dun morgh and be on the trade channel in SW? |
| 03:53.28 | |Jelly| | no |
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| 03:54.16 | JamesJr | Thank you very much. Do yall have any tips on recruiting guild members? Inviting all the guildless users I see is slow and messages in general chat don't work. |
| 03:54.36 | |Jelly| | Give them a reason to want to join. |
| 03:54.54 | JamesJr | Don't all guilds have the same reasons? |
| 03:55.29 | |Jelly| | no |
| 03:55.54 | Codayus | Not at all. |
| 03:56.06 | JamesJr | I know some are leveling and some are raiding |
| 03:56.11 | JamesJr | What are the others? |
| 03:56.19 | |Jelly| | are pee |
| 03:56.27 | Codayus | More than that... Atmosphere, focus, attitude. |
| 03:56.34 | |Jelly| | some one put roses on supremus. kek |
| 03:56.58 | JamesJr | Ok...what makes an account eligible for the beta opt in? |
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| 03:57.32 | Codayus | If you're a raiding guild... When do you raid, how often, loot policy, what vent is like, attitude towards being prepared/making mistakes, tolerance to weird offspecs, and eh, lots of other things. |
| 03:58.01 | Shirik | qq |
| 03:58.02 | JamesJr | We don't raid..our goal is to help users "prosper" |
| 03:58.05 | Codayus | Leveling guild...probably the same; never been in one that was recruiting. |
| 03:58.19 | Codayus | Well... Got forums |
| 03:58.20 | Shirik | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "=x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.501" have been masked. |
| 03:58.42 | JamesJr | Wow! that makes no sense to me whatsoever |
| 03:58.48 | Codayus | Got forums? How active? Events? How often? Organize instance nights? Got vent? Used much? |
| 03:58.51 | Shirik | it means "lol@u" |
| 03:58.52 | Codayus | And so on. |
| 03:59.12 | JamesJr | I will be setting up our website tonight. |
| 03:59.47 | JamesJr | I've never been in a guild with a voice thingy so I know nothing about it |
| 04:00.02 | |Jelly| | this fight is so zzzzzzzz |
| 04:00.30 | Codayus | If the guild offers unique stuff, tell people. If it's not unique...why does it exist? Sometimes people start guilds as a power trip, or because they couldn't get along with anyone in their last guild. That's probably not a great start... :-) |
| 04:13.28 | |Jelly| | http://i35.tinypic.com/bink1e.jpg Flowers make the fight so much better. |
| 04:14.01 | kd3 | rofl |
| 04:15.05 | JamesJr | Is that WoW? |
| 04:15.18 | kd3 | yup, black temple |
| 04:15.31 | JamesJr | It looks so different |
| 04:15.39 | kd3 | heavily modified UI |
| 04:15.53 | JamesJr | All I have is Auctioneer |
| 04:17.27 | Shirik | JamesJr: If you're looking for a hosting company for ventrilo |
| 04:17.34 | Shirik | I strongly recommend nationvoice |
| 04:17.45 | Shirik | To attest to their amazingness, Just a few days ago I had my first problem ever |
| 04:17.58 | Shirik | Someone reported some lag across the board, so I logged in and restarted the server |
| 04:18.13 | Shirik | After that, no problems. Upon looking at the log file, I noticed it had been running for 4 months straight |
| 04:18.30 | Shirik | I consider that pretty good uptime :P |
| 04:18.43 | batrick | ventrilo server is srs bzns |
| 04:19.05 | Shirik | well most providers overload their servers with a million copies of ventrilo running |
| 04:19.13 | Shirik | nationvoice I've never had issues |
| 04:19.29 | Shirik | I did have to contact their tech support once because I was stupid and forgot to pay the bill when my card expired |
| 04:19.36 | Shirik | they had it up in about 2 minutes |
| 04:19.45 | batrick | I was gonna reverse engineer their server so I can have more than 8 users on my shitty server but i r lazy |
| 04:19.59 | Shirik | it's probably only one opcode to change :) |
| 04:20.04 | batrick | I know : / |
| 04:20.06 | Shirik | But there's a lot of other stuff in there too |
| 04:20.08 | Shirik | so you have to be careful |
| 04:20.21 | Shirik | I know for a fact it's possible for flagship to forcibly shut down your server |
| 04:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 04:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I really really dislike the main ventrilo company |
| 04:21.27 | batrick | use teamspeak~ |
| 04:21.28 | ScytheBlade1 | They refuse to give anyone a server who isn't a reseller |
| 04:21.33 | batrick | teamspeak 3 is going to have Lua in it |
| 04:21.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless you're cool with <10 people |
| 04:21.37 | batrick | isn't that awesome!? |
| 04:21.52 | ScytheBlade1 | The problem with teamspeak is that it lacks the polish that Vent has |
| 04:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | They've put a lot of effort into getting people to be heard clearly on the first try (Vent has) |
| 04:22.12 | JamesJr | Should I custom make a guild website or use one of those specialized guild-making sites |
| 04:22.28 | batrick | ScytheBlade1: hopefully T3 will change that :) |
| 04:22.31 | ScytheBlade1 | You can change the codecs all you want in Teamspeak, and sure it helps, but it really doesn't compare to vent |
| 04:22.42 | ScytheBlade1 | batrick: hopefully. I'd be amazingly happy if it did |
| 04:22.48 | batrick | I just hope people will give it a fair chance |
| 04:23.02 | Shirik | teamspeak is crap, ventrilo is too closed-source mindset |
| 04:23.15 | ScytheBlade1 | teamspeak is /not/ crap |
| 04:23.17 | batrick | i hate vent tbh |
| 04:23.22 | ScytheBlade1 | But it lacks enough polish for the morons to pick it up |
| 04:23.24 | batrick | and it's not just because it's closed source |
| 04:23.25 | Shirik | like I mean, it even has downright arguably malicious code in it |
| 04:23.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Vent "just works" and Teamspeak doesn't work right out of the box |
| 04:23.53 | Shirik | by "crap" I mean it's just... not nice |
| 04:24.00 | Shirik | I guess that's what you mean by polish |
| 04:24.09 | JamesJr | Should I custom make a guild website or use one of those specialized guild-making sites |
| 04:24.27 | Shirik | depends on your level of expertise :) |
| 04:24.57 | JamesJr | I could easily make a website with some pages and a forum, but it wouldnt have the bells and whistles of those other sites; but also no ads either |
| 04:25.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I've used quite a bit of teamspeak |
| 04:25.09 | ScytheBlade1 | But it really doesn't (currently) compare |
| 04:25.30 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 04:25.38 | Gnarfoz | what about teamspeak *doesn't* "just work" o_O |
| 04:25.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Voice quality |
| 04:25.56 | Shirik | sound quality |
| 04:25.59 | Gnarfoz | it's speex? |
| 04:26.03 | ScytheBlade1 | No no |
| 04:26.05 | Gnarfoz | what's Ventrilo using? |
| 04:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Ignore codecs |
| 04:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | 100% irrelevant |
| 04:26.19 | Gnarfoz | erm, what else is a factor in voice quality? |
| 04:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Vent applies a lot of preprocessing to normalize voice and background noise out of the box |
| 04:26.33 | JamesJr | internet speed? |
| 04:26.39 | Gnarfoz | well, get better mics? o_O |
| 04:26.40 | Shirik | mic, internet speed, background noise |
| 04:26.41 | ScytheBlade1 | In addition to a few other things |
| 04:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | See, sure, you could get a better mic |
| 04:26.54 | Shirik | alignment of the planets |
| 04:26.55 | Gnarfoz | internet speed... for a 25.6kbit/s codec? |
| 04:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing to do with the codec |
| 04:27.08 | Shirik | acts of god |
| 04:27.14 | Gnarfoz | again, what codec at what b/w is Ventrilo using? |
| 04:27.15 | Shirik | I love that term |
| 04:27.22 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: Configurable, but defaults to speex |
| 04:27.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything to do with vent normalizing and really upping the audio quality for everyone out of the box |
| 04:27.43 | Shirik | really I prefer GSM honestly, but no mac support |
| 04:27.46 | Gnarfoz | i.e. making everyone sound the same? oO |
| 04:27.51 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 04:28.03 | Gnarfoz | GSM is worse than speex btw (in general, not just regarding this) |
| 04:28.15 | Shirik | I prefer it :P |
| 04:28.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ie cutting out a fair bit of the background noise, static, to some very very limited degree volume |
| 04:28.18 | Gnarfoz | less advanced encoding etc ^^ |
| 04:28.19 | Shirik | but I use speex now |
| 04:28.46 | ScytheBlade1 | If you set the exact same codec and quality on vent and TS, vent will sound at least a noticeable bit better than TS |
| 04:28.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Simply due to all of the software processing they do beforehand |
| 04:28.55 | Gnarfoz | ... what... background noise, are you all gaming outside in a hailstorm? :D I've never had trouble understanding anyone, most of the time not even the ppl with 5⬠mics |
| 04:29.13 | JamesJr | My mic is built in my laptop, is that bad? |
| 04:29.19 | Shirik | I wish I could make that symbol :( |
| 04:29.29 | Gnarfoz | alt+0128 probably. |
| 04:29.30 | Shirik | JamesJr: It is if it's like my laptop where it's on the bottom of the laptop, next to the fan |
| 04:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I wish I could even see that symbol |
| 04:29.46 | JamesJr | ¤ and $ are buttons of my keyboard/laptop |
| 04:29.55 | JamesJr | They are next to the up arrow |
| 04:29.58 | Gnarfoz | wtb utf8? :D |
| 04:29.59 | batrick | I used to use TS all the time I never really had problems with sound. |
| 04:30.05 | Shirik | I want to know what the engineer was smoking when he decided to put that mic there |
| 04:30.12 | Shirik | like it makes absolutely zero sense |
| 04:30.18 | batrick | everyone in wow bitches and moans about vent though. So that's all I use : / |
| 04:30.20 | JamesJr | My mic is at the top. |
| 04:30.26 | batrick | Plus vent STILL has no linux client |
| 04:30.27 | batrick | so fuck them |
| 04:30.32 | JamesJr | Linux...eww. |
| 04:30.35 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I'm sleeping soundly, knowing that Ventrilo will just *never* get any foothold in Europe :D |
| 04:30.48 | JamesJr | What is big in Europe? |
| 04:30.51 | Gnarfoz | TS. |
| 04:30.53 | Gnarfoz | (lol) |
| 04:30.59 | JamesJr | I've never used any of it. |
| 04:31.16 | Gnarfoz | for every "vent" you see in any US wow related conversation, replace it with "ts" and you've got the Euro version ;> |
| 04:31.16 | JamesJr | I've only used voice in Yahoo Chatrooms for karooke |
| 04:31.37 | Gnarfoz | probably because of said insanely stupid licensing Ventrilo has going on |
| 04:32.06 | Gnarfoz | heck, I'm hosting 3 teamspeak servers myself, and the one my guild uses isn't even one of them xD |
| 04:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | insanely stupid licensing |
| 04:33.46 | JamesJr | http://bp0.blogger.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SHp2Ki8qjiI/AAAAAAAABmU/HWinwTenCeU/s1600-h/newyorker.jpg |
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| 04:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | To be honest both TS and Vent licensing piss me off |
| 04:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb free, quality voice server/client :( |
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| 04:38.55 | batrick | TS only licenses for commercial use? |
| 04:38.58 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: mumble :> |
| 04:38.58 | batrick | how is that bad? |
| 04:39.25 | Gnarfoz | yeah, "upt to 1k users for free, after that, please license" sounds pretty fair to me ^^ |
| 04:40.10 | Gnarfoz | urgh my router is still on 2.4.x |
| 04:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The fact that they arbitrarily cap it just pisses me off |
| 04:40.28 | Gnarfoz | that's because they're a business, riiight? |
| 04:40.37 | JamesJr | Consumerism? |
| 04:40.38 | ScytheBlade1 | riiiiight? |
| 04:40.45 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 04:41.04 | Gnarfoz | why does it have to be free? |
| 04:41.12 | Gnarfoz | other than "because it could be" :p |
| 04:41.26 | Gnarfoz | contribute to mumble, if you want an alternative, I guess |
| 04:41.29 | JamesJr | What in this world is free except for linux and the tasting things at Sams Club? |
| 04:41.41 | Gnarfoz | sex :p |
| 04:41.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Aribtrary caps placed in software for the sole function of licensing just agitates me |
| 04:41.45 | Gnarfoz | death (at least for yourself) |
| 04:41.46 | JamesJr | Not always |
| 04:42.17 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: get used to it, it's how this capitalist world works :p everyone want to earn money with *something* ;p |
| 04:42.42 | Gnarfoz | ~google mumble |
| 04:42.54 | Gnarfoz | ~mumble |
| 04:42.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I've licensed MS server + clients before |
| 04:43.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm well aware of it and just how much licensing is in our relatively near future |
| 04:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That doesn't make me remotely happy about it, however |
| 04:43.36 | Gnarfoz | purl, Mumble is an open source, low-latency, high quality voice chat software primarily intended for use while gaming, found at http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:43.36 | purl | okay, Gnarfoz |
| 04:43.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:43.47 | Gnarfoz | ~mumble |
| 04:43.48 | purl | rumour has it, mumble is an open source, low-latency, high quality voice chat software primarily intended for use while gaming, found at http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:44.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, you meant that |
| 04:44.10 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha win |
| 04:44.17 | Gnarfoz | yes, I did |
| 04:44.19 | Gnarfoz | from the start |
| 04:44.20 | Gnarfoz | ;P |
| 05:00.45 | Gnarfoz | Mumble has very low latency combined with good sound quality; it uses Speex extensively, not just the voice compression technology, but also the voice preprocessing to remove noise and improve clarity. Mumble also has positional audio for supported games, meaning the other players' voice will come from the direction their character is in game. |
| 05:00.58 | Gnarfoz | that'd be awesome for WoW ;> |
| 05:01.15 | Gnarfoz | "get closer damnit, i can't hear you" xD |
| 05:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | The more I read about it the more I like it |
| 05:01.55 | ScytheBlade1 | X.509 certs |
| 05:01.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Epic win |
| 05:02.54 | Gnarfoz | I keep forgetting to set up a Murmur daemon to try it out some time ^^ |
| 05:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm trying to find their SVN checkout URL |
| 05:03.21 | Gnarfoz | it's sourceforge, how hard can it be? ;> |
| 05:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty hard when it is 11:00 at night and you've had a nice migraine all day |
| 05:04.08 | Gnarfoz | don't ask me, it's 7am and I'm still awake, not already awake ^^ |
| 05:04.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:04.58 | selckin | lol WoW is listed as supporting the positional audio |
| 05:04.58 | Gnarfoz | btw |
| 05:05.01 | ScytheBlade1 | There we are |
| 05:05.01 | Gnarfoz | it's on the front page: http://mumble.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/mumble/trunk/ |
| 05:05.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the viewcvs |
| 05:05.09 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 05:05.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Not the checkout URL |
| 05:05.12 | Gnarfoz | blurgh |
| 05:05.30 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, I just found that myself |
| 05:06.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Ugh, they have no clue how to work tags in svn though |
| 05:07.26 | selckin | what did they do wrong? |
| 05:07.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Copied the entire release into a "/tags" subdir |
| 05:07.42 | Gnarfoz | they're also using a FAQ as an about page and have no screenshots of their client |
| 05:07.52 | ScytheBlade1 | So you download all of the source for all of their versions even when you only want HEAD |
| 05:07.59 | ScytheBlade1 | 17.66MB as a result |
| 05:08.28 | selckin | isn't that how svn always works |
| 05:08.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha |
| 05:08.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I should specify /trunk/ |
| 05:08.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah, probably ^^ |
| 05:10.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I'm really not sure how I feel about the positional audio in WoW |
| 05:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That kinda screams "I break the ToU" |
| 05:11.17 | selckin | it would be just plain wierd :\ |
| 05:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 05:11.24 | ScytheBlade1 | And useless |
| 05:11.36 | Gnarfoz | also probably able to turn that off ^^ |
| 05:11.43 | selckin | so 7am, go to bed or not |
| 05:12.02 | Gnarfoz | that's always the question, isn't it? :< |
| 05:12.09 | Gnarfoz | I'm probably going, sometime soon ^^ |
| 05:12.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Know what else would be great? Windows client build instructions |
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| 05:12.35 | selckin | http://xkcd.com/448/ |
| 05:12.48 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: they have'em |
| 05:13.00 | selckin | ScytheBlade1: just use the binary? |
| 05:13.06 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/BuildingWindows |
| 05:13.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | same :( |
| 05:13.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | complete with drifting west |
| 05:13.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't want the binary |
| 05:14.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh there we are |
| 05:14.45 | ScytheBlade1 | "Visual Studio is a requirement to get the build tools, and the Intel Compiler is a requirement to get a compiler with modern features." |
| 05:14.48 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha |
| 05:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a very cheap shot at VS |
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| 05:15.17 | selckin | can't argue with truth |
| 05:17.11 | Gnarfoz | yay mumble has server-side muting |
| 05:17.19 | Gnarfoz | I've always missed that. ^^ |
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| 05:26.06 | Gnarfoz | duh :\ theire ACL system looks really powerful, yet way more complex than what TS can do |
| 05:26.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never liked the TS permissions setup |
| 05:26.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Mumble seems to do it very well though |
| 05:26.43 | Gnarfoz | some easy default setups would probably not be the worst that could happen to that ^^ |
| 05:27.36 | Gnarfoz | I'm coming more from the "what, why can't I do it like with TS????" perspective of users who've not used anything else ^^ |
| 05:27.57 | Gnarfoz | I myself can probably figure it out quickly enough when not half-asleep at 7.30am, but heh ^^ |
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| 05:35.31 | Shirik|Ecole | ~time |
| 05:35.32 | purl | 2008.07.14 5:35:32 GMT |
| 05:35.54 | Shirik|Ecole | it's 1:30 in the morning and I have finally gotten x server to run on my laptop |
| 05:36.01 | Shirik|Ecole | thank god >< |
| 05:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: that's why you start the emerge in a screen and then sleep |
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| 05:38.22 | Shirik | it wasn't like I was sitting around |
| 05:38.29 | Shirik | I spent the last few hours just trying to get config files to work,etc :P |
| 05:38.36 | Shirik | my laptop was not happy about this whole "linux" thing |
| 05:38.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | That's kind of why I installed debian. |
| 05:39.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It's like ubuntu, but without the suck. (Don't hurt me! That's a debian compliment!) |
| 05:39.24 | Shirik | oh I got it to work |
| 05:39.36 | Shirik | and I feel very satisfied with myself now |
| 05:39.43 | Shirik | like I have become one with the machine |
| 05:39.58 | Shirik | now to see if KDE is willing to start up |
| 05:40.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 05:40.18 | Shirik | apparently it is |
| 05:40.22 | Shirik | oh happy day |
| 05:40.32 | Shirik | ok time to shut this computer off, and switch over to laptop |
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| 05:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | "Besides, we all know people like this, if you spent 6 hours compiling X, you'd like to think it was for something useful right?" |
| 05:42.23 | Shirik|Ecole | :P |
| 05:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 05:43.01 | Shirik|Ecole | ok |
| 05:43.05 | Shirik|Ecole | I'll go there in just a sec :) |
| 05:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It's seriously an awesome page |
| 05:43.25 | Shirik|Ecole | need to get through this kde personalization stuff first |
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| 05:46.53 | Shirik | ok ScytheBlade1, what was that address again? |
| 05:47.03 | Shirik | it shall be my first test of konqueror |
| 05:47.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 05:47.31 | Shirik | oh my life this white background on terminal has got to go |
| 05:47.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Settings --> Schema --> Linux Colors |
| 05:48.20 | Shirik | rofl |
| 05:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a really great page |
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| 05:50.25 | Shirik | I would like to point out, though, that I would like to see exactly how well Ubuntu likes my laptop |
| 05:50.41 | Shirik | considering it has a very strange (and new) graphics driver that needed to be run |
| 05:50.51 | Shirik | to the point that the x11 drivers are still masked that I needed |
| 05:51.02 | ScytheBlade1 | What video card? |
| 05:51.12 | Shirik | this is where you laugh |
| 05:51.13 | Shirik | it's an ATI |
| 05:51.23 | ScytheBlade1 | This is whre I laugh... uncontrollably |
| 05:51.26 | Shirik | ATI HD Radeon ... something |
| 05:52.17 | Shirik | but I got it to work!! |
| 05:52.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Points there |
| 05:52.28 | Shirik | I only compiled the kernel like... 7 times |
| 05:52.30 | Shirik | I lost count actually |
| 05:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Smooth |
| 05:52.53 | Shirik | I've gotten really good at the commands though |
| 05:53.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ./configure; make; make install? ;P |
| 05:53.18 | Shirik | that really works? |
| 05:53.21 | Shirik | I did |
| 05:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh for the kernel? |
| 05:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | For the kernel it's even less: make menuconfig; make |
| 05:53.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ;P |
| 05:54.12 | Shirik | make menuconfig; make && make modules_install; cp arch/x86_64/<tab complete the rest> /boot/gentoo-kernel-2.6.25-r6 |
| 05:54.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That's pretty much it yes |
| 05:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Although (1) your naming syntax scares me and (2) you should considering copying the .config file into /boot/ too in case you ever need it again |
| 05:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got /boot/2.6.25, /boot/configs/2.6.25 |
| 05:55.07 | ScytheBlade1 | For example |
| 05:56.38 | Shirik | hm, maybe not a bad idea |
| 05:56.48 | Shirik | why does my syntax scare you? |
| 05:57.02 | Shirik | also, I scared my friend that got me hooked on gentoo when I called him |
| 05:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It's amazingly lengthy for no real reason |
| 05:57.12 | Shirik | he's confused how I couldn't get the ethernet to work, but got the wireless to work |
| 05:57.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Though admittely I refuse to use the gentoo sources |
| 06:00.28 | ScytheBlade1 | "Those two features should make the address space randomization on i386 and x86_64 complete." |
| 06:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, time to upgrade to 2.6.26 |
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| 06:03.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah-ha, and the ath5k driver |
| 06:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | This sounds like a winner already |
| 06:03.41 | Shirik | wait |
| 06:03.48 | Shirik | did 2.6.26 really come out? |
| 06:03.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 06:03.54 | Shirik | please don't joke about this |
| 06:03.58 | Shirik | .............. |
| 06:04.00 | ScytheBlade1 | 02:03 < ScytheBlade1> Yes |
| 06:04.09 | ScytheBlade1 | http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges |
| 06:04.15 | Shirik | so do I compile the kernel an 8th time? |
| 06:04.27 | ScytheBlade1 | cp the config file into the new source dir |
| 06:04.29 | ScytheBlade1 | `make oldconfig` |
| 06:04.35 | ScytheBlade1 | make && make modules_install |
| 06:04.46 | Shirik | maybe tomorrow :P |
| 06:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | You should read section 1.1 of that kernelnewbies.org page |
| 06:08.07 | ScytheBlade1 | haha win |
| 06:08.07 | ScytheBlade1 | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=abe8be3abe4c2043bd766f32d7eba62c12dbb0b3 |
| 06:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Why that was needed I'm not sure if I want to know |
| 06:09.01 | Shirik | wow |
| 06:09.05 | Shirik | wtf is that for |
| 06:10.22 | Shirik | (1) why do we have executables over 2GB, (2) why does it need a patch imo |
| 06:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Look at the diff for (2) :P |
| 06:11.40 | sylvanaar | one would reason its related to splitting the code into more than one 2GB address space, what's the real answer? |
| 06:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=abe8be3abe4c2043bd766f32d7eba62c12dbb0b3;hp=531d7d4256f3726b93f7a91f97132a944ab28148 |
| 06:12.12 | Shirik | .. that's it? |
| 06:12.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ diff |
| 06:12.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That's it. |
| 06:13.05 | sylvanaar | 2 flags |
| 06:13.10 | sylvanaar | woo hoo |
| 06:14.56 | sylvanaar | whats better is that the functionality is there, and somehow that flag is still needed |
| 06:15.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, yeah |
| 06:15.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing wrong with the functionality |
| 06:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing quite like a three-line diff to make it happen though |
| 06:16.08 | Shirik | wow |
| 06:16.21 | Shirik | just when I thought ATI had hit rock bottom |
| 06:16.33 | Shirik | apparently they made the catalyst control center for Linux install through portage.... |
| 06:17.15 | Diskmaster | pfffff |
| 06:18.07 | sylvanaar | well, you could have a >2GB self extractor |
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| 06:18.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but then you run the chance that you're retarded |
| 06:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 06:18.38 | ScytheBlade1 | s/chance/risk/ |
| 06:19.33 | sylvanaar | hey, its not 2004 anymore. We are moving into the 10G era |
| 06:19.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure. But in a single binary? |
| 06:19.56 | sylvanaar | it cant all be code |
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| 06:20.23 | sylvanaar | its just a single image |
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| 06:21.13 | Shirik | is it, what, 2:30 eastern? |
| 06:21.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 06:21.33 | Shirik | I should probably go to sleep |
| 06:21.34 | sylvanaar | its 2.5 hrs past my bedtime |
| 06:21.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I probably should too |
| 06:22.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Where'd that muscle relaxant get off to.. |
| 06:22.18 | sylvanaar | i think im going to need a patch myself in the AM |
| 06:22.32 | Shirik | aw |
| 06:22.34 | ScytheBlade1 | patch? |
| 06:22.39 | Shirik | "emerge momentics" doesn't work |
| 06:24.22 | Bibi | is there a way to "extend" the minimap ? |
| 06:24.27 | sylvanaar | stimulants |
| 06:24.29 | Bibi | like, full screen ? |
| 06:25.47 | sylvanaar | if the minimap is big, then what happens to the world map? |
| 06:27.56 | sylvanaar | srsly, i have heard this question a few times, and basically, no, not really |
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| 06:55.43 | Fisker- | i am you Shirik |
| 07:00.58 | Thunder_Child | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 07:12.50 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4927203506&sid=1#2 <-sigh |
| 07:17.47 | Fisker- | :O |
| 07:17.51 | Fisker- | we had our first magelo thread! |
| 07:17.52 | Fisker- | wee |
| 07:18.03 | Cairenn | o.I |
| 07:18.10 | Cairenn | o.O, even |
| 07:18.29 | Cairenn | how stupid can you get ... I scammed, now I'm gonna sell ... can I get in trouble? |
| 07:19.04 | Fisker- | hehe |
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| 07:29.05 | Smug | lo |
| 07:31.04 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 07:34.51 | Smug | I have a question, maybe I can find an answer here. It'd be difficult to add a 'ready check' image V(good) or X(bad) to my AG_Unitframes? |
| 07:35.20 | Thunder_Child | depends on your level of lua coding i would guess |
| 07:35.40 | Smug | Null <g> |
| 07:36.02 | Smug | But, from a newbie poi, will it be difficult to add? |
| 07:36.06 | Smug | pov* |
| 07:36.43 | Thunder_Child | would the images be tied into wow's default ready check or from another program? |
| 07:36.51 | Thunder_Child | s/program?/mod?/ |
| 07:37.32 | Smug | I'll like to use the wow defaults, I'm sure it would be easier |
| 07:37.55 | Smug | I can't understand why Ag_Unit~ doesn't have that option :P |
| 07:39.50 | Thunder_Child | i dont code, but if i had to guess you would have to parse the com channel to check for the READY_CHECK event and route it to whatever you made, which would then respond with yea/nay |
| 07:40.45 | Smug | Thanks for your time :)= I am going to do some tests |
| 07:41.00 | Thunder_Child | ok, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ConfirmReadyCheck |
| 07:41.02 | Thunder_Child | might help |
| 07:41.42 | Smug | I'll try to learn from GridStatusReadyCheck too |
| 07:41.49 | Smug | thanks again, I log-off |
| 07:41.52 | Smug | Have a nice day |
| 07:41.58 | Thunder_Child | you too |
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| 07:54.06 | Fisker- | this is madness |
| 07:55.10 | Sixen | :( |
| 07:55.14 | Sixen | Trouts hurt |
| 07:55.20 | Sixen | ~lart Fisker |
| 07:55.20 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down Fisker's throat until Fisker puts on 150lbs |
| 07:55.55 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 07:59.16 | Fisker- | atleast you can sell your old 20 slot bags for 5g each |
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| 08:17.01 | MDew | hey |
| 08:17.15 | MDew | Any1 here? |
| 08:17.41 | cncfanatics | MDew: yes |
| 08:17.49 | Thunder_Child | something like that |
| 08:18.13 | MDew | hmm |
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| 08:18.30 | MDew | i have a problem with scroll frame - i will paste code in a sec |
| 08:19.17 | MDew | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91262 |
| 08:19.24 | MDew | Could U look at this? |
| 08:20.05 | MDew | Proble is that ScrollFrame "Crops" the buttons, and the scroller is movable but buttons arent scrolling up and down |
| 08:22.14 | Sixen | Might want to try back when people are awake, :/. |
| 08:23.16 | nevcairiel | being awake is overrated |
| 08:23.25 | MDew | hehe |
| 08:23.27 | Sixen | lol |
| 08:24.19 | Fisker- | around me, never relax |
| 08:30.02 | cncfanatics | when logged in with ssh to an sshd, is it possible to change the public key it checks against when login in ? |
| 08:41.01 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: sure, just edit your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file |
| 08:41.19 | nevcairiel | make sure to not mess it up, or you cant login at all anymore |
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| 08:42.01 | cncfanatics | I messed it up :'( :p |
| 08:42.07 | cncfanatics | gonna have to wait for charon heh |
| 08:42.19 | cncfanatics | ~seen charon |
| 08:42.20 | purl | charon <n=thomas@77-56-223-244.dclient.hispeed.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 10h 28m 43s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
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| 09:07.05 | MDew | Guys? |
| 09:07.29 | MDew | I have problem with scrollframe |
| 09:07.34 | cncfanatics | ~asktoask |
| 09:07.34 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 09:07.41 | wereHamster | we heard, be patient |
| 09:07.55 | MDew | ok... |
| 09:08.12 | wereHamster | a screenshot would be nice, for those who can't run WoW at the moment |
| 09:08.20 | MDew | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91263 -> just a bit more code |
| 09:08.27 | MDew | oki I will make a screenshot |
| 09:11.15 | MDew | http://www.screenshots.cc/show.php/16320_WoWScrnShot071408110904.jpg.html |
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| 09:13.49 | MDew | and this is screenshot without SetScrollChild(); |
| 09:13.51 | MDew | http://www.screenshots.cc/show.php/16322_WoWScrnShot071408111251.jpg.html |
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| 10:07.04 | Artmi | MDew, If i may ask, why are you cluttering your code with ';', those aren't really necessary, only time in Lua where they make any sense is if you've got several statements on one line :P |
| 10:07.18 | nevcairiel | Not like they hurt either |
| 10:07.30 | nevcairiel | if you're used to writing them from C or so, there is no harm in doing so |
| 10:07.39 | Artmi | i am used to writing C :P |
| 10:07.46 | Artmi | but in lua they just makes no sense having |
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| 10:10.25 | bleeter | wtf? iPhones don't do DAAP?! |
| 10:10.33 | bleeter | thank christ I didn't buy one, what fail |
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| 11:21.54 | Artmi | I'm trying to use MessageFrame, to output some text with AddMessage, but it doesn't seem to be working :/ http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91268 |
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| 11:26.15 | cncfanatics | Artmi: you need to set a font using SetFont or SetFontObject iirc |
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| 11:27.11 | Artmi | aaah okey th anks will look into it |
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| 12:02.46 | MDew | my ";" are from c... |
| 12:03.05 | MDew | no1 klnows whats wrong in my code? |
| 12:05.04 | wereHamster | Artmi: even if you have several statements on one line, ; isn't necessary |
| 12:05.24 | Artmi | wereHamster,I know, but that wasn't what i said |
| 12:05.29 | cnc|work | it is wereHamster iirc |
| 12:05.31 | Artmi | what i said was, it does make some sence to split up statements |
| 12:05.42 | Artmi | if there are several on one line, due to readability |
| 12:05.55 | wereHamster | lua> a=1 b=2 c=4 return a+b+c |
| 12:05.55 | lua_bot | wereHamster: 7 |
| 12:06.01 | wereHamster | see, not necessary |
| 12:06.07 | MDew | dammit what the difference - my scrollframe isnt working |
| 12:06.31 | cnc|work | didn't kno that |
| 12:06.38 | wereHamster | ~patience |
| 12:06.38 | purl | hmm... patience is a Godly attribute, or the solution for most things. |
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| 12:10.49 | foxlit | relink pastey, btw |
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| 12:24.50 | MDew_ | lol it works now :D |
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| 13:19.31 | Mats | Hey. |
| 13:22.00 | wereHamster | Hey. |
| 13:22.43 | sacarasc | Hey. |
| 13:24.24 | Mats | Eh. |
| 13:24.30 | ckknight | howdy |
| 13:24.32 | Mats | Is it allright to add information to the LUA wiki |
| 13:24.37 | Mats | For protected functions? |
| 13:24.46 | krka | Mats: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? |
| 13:24.53 | Mats | Fine |
| 13:25.21 | Mats | "Is it allright to add information to the World of Warcraft api page" |
| 13:25.28 | Mats | That's a better rewritten question. |
| 13:25.39 | Mats | Even when the functions are protected? |
| 13:25.49 | Mats | Like, function arguments. |
| 13:26.32 | Mats | Commentator Functions |
| 13:26.32 | Mats | These functions are all protected. Presumably used for watching Arena matches. |
| 13:26.35 | Mats | Those ones to be exact |
| 13:27.50 | MentalPower | Mats: yeah, if you have info on their use go right ahead |
| 13:27.58 | Mats | Okay:D |
| 13:28.03 | Mats | I have info for almost all functions |
| 13:28.11 | MentalPower | also #WoWWiki :) |
| 13:28.26 | MentalPower | and you're already there |
| 13:28.44 | Mats | Yeah |
| 13:28.44 | Mats | ;p |
| 13:29.08 | Fisker- | I AM INVINCIBLE |
| 13:29.20 | sacarasc | no you're not |
| 13:30.37 | Fisker- | oh |
| 13:30.41 | Fisker- | prove me wrong |
| 13:30.46 | MentalPower | Fisker-: does this mean that the password for your ultra sophisticated world tracer that uses secret military satellites is "chair"? :P |
| 13:32.12 | Fisker- | damnit |
| 13:32.21 | Fisker- | don't steal my passwords |
| 13:34.21 | Mats | Hmm |
| 13:34.33 | Mats | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Commentator_Functions |
| 13:34.39 | Mats | Am I doing it correctly? |
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| 13:38.41 | Mats | Like, with the functions? |
| 13:40.21 | Mats | :< |
| 13:40.37 | Mats | MentalPower? |
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| 13:52.13 | MDew_ | Guys when i have a frame and for example texture which is child of this frame, and I use SetScript("...",myfunc) and I wan to myfunc to "execute" texture:SetVertexColor(...) the only way to get the texture "object" is to use getglobal("texturename") in myfunc? |
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| 13:55.12 | Mats | I have a function that I want to add, but I am unsure if it fits in the pag |
| 13:55.14 | Mats | page |
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| 13:57.32 | Mats | PINEntered seems to be some function for the WoW protector device? |
| 13:57.44 | Mats | PINEntered(4-10 key positions) <- |
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| 13:59.32 | nevcairiel | sounds like that func would only be available from GlueXML |
| 13:59.51 | Mats | Yup. |
| 14:00.04 | Mats | That's why I ask. |
| 14:01.21 | malreth | Mats: are you trying to hax my authenticator? |
| 14:01.27 | Mats | No? |
| 14:01.29 | Mats | >_> |
| 14:01.37 | Mats | I just found the function in the WoW code |
| 14:01.39 | malreth | don't do it |
| 14:01.44 | malreth | i'll bite your fingers |
| 14:01.48 | Mats | And wondered if it was worth adding |
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| 14:02.37 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, so early in the morning? |
| 14:02.50 | malreth | i'm hungry.. haven't had breakfast yet |
| 14:05.18 | Lopeppeppy | Aww. |
| 14:05.22 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort malreth |
| 14:05.23 | purl | There, there, malreth. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:05.35 | Lopeppeppy | Purl still hasn't unghosted? |
| 14:05.39 | malreth | ~hug purl |
| 14:05.40 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs purl |
| 14:05.53 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: that's not a ghost... that's... |
| 14:05.53 | Lopeppeppy | Who owns purl so I can get them to give her some love? |
| 14:06.05 | malreth | well, that thing is proof that purl is a man |
| 14:06.11 | Lopeppeppy | EEEEW! |
| 14:06.18 | Lopeppeppy | Purl is a girl. It even rhymes!! |
| 14:06.19 | Mats | No one here that knows if it is worthwhile to add? |
| 14:06.29 | malreth | add what? |
| 14:06.35 | Mats | <Mats> PINEntered(4-10 key positions) <- |
| 14:06.37 | Mats | Those functions |
| 14:06.46 | Mats | And the errors thrown by them |
| 14:06.56 | malreth | oh... you'd probably have to speak to an addon developer about that |
| 14:07.08 | Mats | Yeah, this'd be the best place to contact one, right? ;p |
| 14:07.37 | Mats | It can't be used by addons. |
| 14:07.45 | Lopeppeppy | Then why include it? |
| 14:07.46 | malreth | no. most likely not |
| 14:07.48 | Mats | But, it'd be helpful to understand World of Warcraft a bit more? |
| 14:07.59 | Mats | I see more GlueXML functions added |
| 14:08.21 | Mats | Those can't be used in the addon environment either |
| 14:08.23 | malreth | and you want to add it to wowwiki? |
| 14:08.28 | Mats | Yeah. |
| 14:08.31 | malreth | just do it. |
| 14:08.42 | cnc|work | yo all |
| 14:08.47 | cnc|work | anyone else bored ? |
| 14:08.54 | Mats | Okay, I'll just add it indeed |
| 14:08.56 | malreth | cnc|work: Mats is trying to add hax to wowwiki. make him stop |
| 14:09.05 | Mats | What |
| 14:09.08 | Mats | :< |
| 14:09.12 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 14:09.13 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 14:09.16 | Fisker- | is any of that stuff live yet? |
| 14:09.26 | Mats | What stuff? |
| 14:09.32 | Mats | The functions? |
| 14:09.36 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 14:09.50 | Mats | They're included in WoW.exe as a possible function call |
| 14:10.00 | Mats | So, I guess? |
| 14:10.17 | nevcairiel | know anyone that got their authenticater already? |
| 14:10.19 | nevcairiel | ask them ;) |
| 14:10.33 | Mats | I dont have any questions about the authenticator, because it seems pretty obvious how it works |
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| 14:10.58 | Mats | I was just wondering if anyone knew something about the GlueXML, and if the corresponding functions should be added to it. |
| 14:11.19 | Fisker- | wut? |
| 14:11.31 | Fisker- | TOKEN_SEED = |
| 14:11.32 | Fisker- | >:O? |
| 14:11.46 | nevcairiel | since GlueXML cannot be accessed in any way, i dont think its worth documenting |
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| 14:11.55 | Mats | Okay. |
| 14:11.57 | Fisker- | wouldn't that be a bad thing to have lying around in your files? |
| 14:12.09 | Fisker- | also lulz @ "epicgame" in the string |
| 14:12.12 | Mats | What would be= |
| 14:12.15 | Mats | Yeah, Fisker |
| 14:12.16 | Mats | Haha |
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| 14:12.30 | Fisker- | -- Randomize location to prevent hacking (yeah right) |
| 14:12.30 | Fisker- | xD? |
| 14:12.34 | malreth | sweet.. *COUGH* |
| 14:12.43 | Mats | Its to prevent hacking. |
| 14:12.46 | Mats | Thats for sure |
| 14:12.52 | Mats | And, it works |
| 14:12.59 | Mats | So, I'm going to buy them whenever they are in the stores again |
| 14:13.16 | Mats | 6,50 for keeping my account safe ;3 |
| 14:13.26 | Fisker- | that was the virtual keypad thingy |
| 14:13.33 | Fisker- | which isn't used yet as far as i know |
| 14:13.40 | Mats | Oh |
| 14:13.42 | Mats | Virtual keypad= |
| 14:13.49 | Mats | I thought you were talking about the accessor |
| 14:13.59 | Mats | Attach your Blizzard Authenticator |
| 14:13.59 | Mats | his account does not currently have a Blizzard Authenticator enabled. If you have a Blizzard Authenticator and would like to attach it to this account, please enter the serial number on your Authenticator in the field below. Please note that once you attach a Blizzard Authenticator with this account, it will be required for all future logins to World of Warcraft and to Account Management. |
| 14:14.00 | Mats | That thing |
| 14:14.06 | cladhaire | Shirik: you here? |
| 14:14.11 | Fisker- | i wonder what the PIN stuff is for |
| 14:14.16 | Mats | Thats for that, most likely |
| 14:14.20 | Fisker- | no |
| 14:14.23 | Mats | The PIN stuff accepts 4 - 10 chars |
| 14:14.25 | Fisker- | TokenEntered(TokenEnterDialogBackgroundEdit:GetText()); |
| 14:14.40 | Fisker- | The pinstuff must be something different |
| 14:14.46 | Mats | Hmm. |
| 14:14.48 | Mats | Quite odd then |
| 14:15.06 | Arrowmaster | yeah the token is a set number of numbers |
| 14:15.32 | cladhaire | Shirik: WAKE UP BIZNATCH |
| 14:16.01 | malreth | you have to shake him, clad |
| 14:16.05 | Mats | Whats up with the NO XP flag? |
| 14:16.05 | Arrowmaster | one mmo i recently tried had a virtual keypad, you had to set a pin number for each character and to login you had to type that pin number on the keypad, and everytime you entered a new number it would jumble up the numbers |
| 14:16.24 | Mats | Oh |
| 14:16.28 | Mats | Nexon games have that. |
| 14:16.44 | clad|lua | malreth: he's allegedly in the room with me, but I'm not sure which one he is, lol |
| 14:17.01 | malreth | In today's news: Keylogger trojans have gained the ability to capture screen shots. |
| 14:17.07 | Kraps | shameful, a 49 Warrior just discovering the joys of Whirlwind |
| 14:17.11 | malreth | clad|lua: LUCKY! |
| 14:17.16 | Kraps | (i.e. me) |
| 14:17.21 | clad|lua | ? |
| 14:17.23 | Fisker- | what room are you in currently clad|lua ? |
| 14:17.24 | Fisker- | :o |
| 14:17.27 | malreth | lick his ears |
| 14:17.30 | clad|lua | Fisker-: the lua conference |
| 14:17.33 | Mats | malreth, |
| 14:17.36 | malreth | i bet they're tasty |
| 14:17.36 | clad|lua | http://bluedino.net/wshop08.html |
| 14:17.36 | Mats | Thats old? :D |
| 14:17.42 | Lopeppeppy | Have fun, clad|lua ! |
| 14:17.57 | clad|lua | http://bluedino.net/luapix/audio.m3u |
| 14:18.00 | clad|lua | anyone who's interested |
| 14:18.10 | Hexarobee | sweet |
| 14:18.42 | Hexarobee | no WoW addon lectures? =) |
| 14:18.42 | Fisker- | What is the lua conference |
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| 14:18.44 | Fisker- | or should i say LUA? |
| 14:18.53 | krka | Fisker-: do YOU write RANDOM words in UPPER case often? :) |
| 14:18.53 | Fisker- | oh |
| 14:18.54 | clad|lua | Hexarobee: see my talk on the last day |
| 14:18.56 | Fisker- | you wrote a link |
| 14:18.56 | Fisker- | :o |
| 14:19.06 | clad|lua | i.e. http://bluedino.net/wshop08.html#whitehead |
| 14:19.15 | Fisker- | krka it's LUA |
| 14:19.16 | Fisker- | :D |
| 14:19.26 | Mats | <Mats> Is it allright to add information to the LUA wiki |
| 14:19.26 | Mats | <Mats> For protected functions? |
| 14:19.26 | Mats | <krka> Mats: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? |
| 14:19.32 | Hexarobee | hehe 10 million and growing |
| 14:19.33 | Fisker- | noes |
| 14:19.37 | Fisker- | bot |
| 14:19.39 | Fisker- | I HAET IT |
| 14:19.50 | durcyn | it's not a bot, it's scripted pedantry |
| 14:19.53 | Hexarobee | way to not put WoW in the title |
| 14:20.09 | clad|lua | Hexarobee: it's supposed to be there, actually |
| 14:20.13 | clad|lua | but rtfa |
| 14:26.07 | Drundia | upper CASE is actually a GOOD thing |
| 14:26.23 | Drundia | some people write everything in it.... |
| 14:27.44 | Kalroth | I AGREE, IT IS GOOD |
| 14:28.11 | Kalroth | http://www.bash.org/?676189 :P |
| 14:29.19 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:30.44 | Kalroth | <Disko> I USE CAPS LOCK BECAUSE I WILL BECOME NOTICED, POPULAR, AND GOOD IN BED |
| 14:30.51 | Kalroth | see, it's there for a reason |
| 14:31.46 | malreth | Kalroth: if i already have two out of the three, will caps lock still work for me? |
| 14:32.08 | Kalroth | No, you can max have 2 out of 3. |
| 14:32.22 | Kalroth | Noticed and good in bed, but unpopular |
| 14:32.29 | malreth | shit... i need to quit being noticed |
| 14:34.20 | ZealotOnAStick | Anyone here going to GenCon this year? |
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| 14:37.30 | Lopeppeppy | Hm... that con sounds familiar, what is it's when/where, ZealotOnAStick? |
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| 14:54.04 | clad|lua | i found shirik :P |
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| 14:55.42 | malreth | is he ugly? |
| 14:55.52 | malreth | does he have scars and a deformed face? |
| 14:56.00 | malreth | two right thumbs? |
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| 14:57.37 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik is a lovely person. |
| 14:58.57 | malreth | i don't know... i guess that's how i've always envisioned him |
| 14:59.10 | malreth | admittedly, the two right thumbs kinda freaked me out |
| 14:59.24 | Lopeppeppy | But then again, I think that about all you monkeys equally, so what does Peppy know? |
| 14:59.44 | malreth | i equate people to potatoes |
| 14:59.54 | malreth | except Cairenn|afk |
| 14:59.58 | malreth | she's a blueberry pie |
| 15:00.02 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 15:00.08 | Lopeppeppy | No, she's hawt. |
| 15:01.16 | Fisker- | Shirik is awesome |
| 15:01.35 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: You say that like those two things are exclusive of each other. |
| 15:01.39 | |Jelly| | ~hug Peppy |
| 15:01.40 | purl | ACTION jumps into Peppy's lap and huggles and *hugs* Peppy |
| 15:01.51 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn can be a hot blueberry pie if it pleases her. I will support her in this! |
| 15:02.11 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, |Jelly|. Beware of bites though, I got 2 hours of sleep last night! |
| 15:02.23 | Cairenn|afk | mmmm, warm blueberry pie |
| 15:02.47 | nevcairiel | i actually had blueberry pie last on the weekend, wasnt warm nor hot though :( |
| 15:02.48 | Cairenn|afk | even better, warm blueberry crumble with maple syrup |
| 15:03.00 | alestane | Blueberry-peach cobbler. |
| 15:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | With home made whipped cream. |
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| 15:09.47 | ZealotOnAStick | malreth: so, aside from Cairenn, you like your people baked, chopped, fried, mashed, how? |
| 15:10.11 | malreth | i'll answer that later... fires to put out right now |
| 15:10.30 | kd3 | go go gadget fire extinguisher? |
| 15:12.40 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel was at a party! |
| 15:12.42 | Lopeppeppy | OMG! |
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| 15:15.54 | cog|work | house is mucho warm now :) |
| 15:16.02 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 15:16.08 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I see. *sniff* I feel ze uninvited cold. |
| 15:16.47 | cog|work | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 15:16.48 | purl | ACTION hugs Lopeppeppy tightly until Lopeppeppy turns slightly blue |
| 15:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, thanks Cogwheel! |
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| 15:17.52 | Fisker- | go go gadget kd3puncher |
| 15:17.53 | Lopeppeppy | I'll invite you to mine, which ought to be... um... next weekend. |
| 15:17.56 | malreth | it's funny |
| 15:18.24 | malreth | my coworkers know exactly how not busy i am based on how fast i return support calls |
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| 15:18.44 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: it'd take me most of the week just to GET there unless you want to buy me a tix :P |
| 15:18.50 | Lopeppeppy | Always do a manual delay before responding, malreth. |
| 15:19.02 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel, no problem. I'll get right on that! :P |
| 15:19.04 | kd3 | get there... |
| 15:19.16 | kd3 | crap! still need to set up plane tickets for blizzcon |
| 15:19.29 | cog|work | kd3: i'm supprised no one said "+for" after my previous comment :P |
| 15:19.44 | malreth | 8 minute response to resolution time... i need to Scotty my deadlines a bit |
| 15:19.45 | kd3 | lol |
| 15:20.44 | malreth | "Halp! Mai laptopz borken!" "It could take 2 weeks for me to get to that, sir." |
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| 15:22.31 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, I'm not buying my plane/hotel until I actually possess a ticket. That seems a recipe for disaster. |
| 15:23.03 | kd3 | yah. that's my plan, but I should at least start pricing hotels and airfare while I'm thinking about it |
| 15:23.24 | Lopeppeppy | I was seeing 500-600 for my ticket and so forth. |
| 15:23.49 | cog|work | hotel's fine imo... you can usually cancel within a day or two with no penalties |
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| 15:23.55 | cog|work | planes... not so much |
| 15:24.14 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. that was my thinking, Cogwheel |
| 15:24.31 | nevcairiel | 500-600 just to go to blizzcon? thats kinda pricy o.O |
| 15:24.59 | Lopeppeppy | I live in NY, nevcairiel. That's round trip airfare. I can't drive it. |
| 15:25.06 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 15:25.12 | Fisker- | hax |
| 15:25.22 | nevcairiel | I dunno, i wouldnt pay that just to go there |
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| 15:26.04 | Lopeppeppy | I missed it last year due to conflicts. I'm totally not missing a chance to meet a good chunk of the community! |
| 15:26.21 | kd3 | delta's saying $464 for me, atl<->lax. hrm |
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| 15:28.14 | cog|work | ~poke sioraioc_ |
| 15:28.14 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind sioraioc_, pokes sioraioc_ repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 15:28.22 | nevcairiel | whats the next airport near anaheim? i cant find one in my flight planner thingy .P |
| 15:28.25 | alestane | There's another airport nearby, I think it's STA, but it's harder to get a non-stop. |
| 15:28.33 | alestane | Santa Anna IIRC. |
| 15:28.54 | nevcairiel | SNA? |
| 15:29.16 | alestane | Might be. |
| 15:29.24 | kd3 | sec. I flew in there last year |
| 15:29.37 | cog|work | SNA |
| 15:29.52 | cog|work | (aka Orange County, aka Santa Ana) |
| 15:30.01 | sioraioc_ | eh? |
| 15:30.04 | cog|work | flying out of there is fun :) |
| 15:30.10 | sioraioc_ | nevcairiel: it's SNA |
| 15:30.16 | kd3 | it was a nice airport |
| 15:30.16 | sioraioc_ | its not actually in santa ana |
| 15:30.20 | sioraioc_ | it's in newport beach |
| 15:31.00 | alestane | From what I hear, it's nice actually a little closer, and usually cheaper, but you'll probably have to transfer at some point. |
| 15:31.10 | sioraiocht | SNA cheapr than LAX? |
| 15:31.11 | sioraiocht | no |
| 15:31.15 | kd3 | no |
| 15:31.44 | Lopeppeppy | It may be for some people, may not be for others. It's an option at least. |
| 15:31.47 | alestane | I didn't compare myself, at least recently. |
| 15:32.02 | nevcairiel | 750 (1180 USD) for both tripe, definately out of the question :P |
| 15:32.13 | nevcairiel | trips* |
| 15:32.37 | sioraiocht | san diego bad, either |
| 15:33.38 | nevcairiel | LAX is actually 70 cheaper, not that it really makes a difference for my available money |
| 15:34.04 | cog|work | then you have to drive an hour or so to anaheim |
| 15:34.42 | nevcairiel | Once i start earning money, i'll consider it again, hehe |
| 15:34.51 | Lopeppeppy | So LAX is further way than SNA? |
| 15:34.56 | cog|work | much |
| 15:35.00 | Lopeppeppy | *makes note for her own travel flying things* |
| 15:35.03 | cog|work | (at least traffic-wise) |
| 15:35.26 | Lopeppeppy | Taxi wise is what I'm wondering! :) |
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| 15:35.49 | |Jelly| | $263 from DFW to LAX and back. <3 |
| 15:35.53 | kd3 | the disney commuter bus was pretty cost-effective for me getting back to the airport |
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| 15:37.42 | |Jelly| | $214 for a stop in Denver. |
| 15:38.31 | cog|work | bleh... no layovers is totally worth the $49 imo |
| 15:39.04 | |Jelly| | I have family in Denver. It might be worth it to eat lunch with them. |
| 15:39.21 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 15:39.22 | cog|work | that works :) |
| 15:39.30 | Gnarfoz | that's my irssi client going offline right there |
| 15:39.38 | Gnarfoz | how the hell am I still online, then >_> |
| 15:40.08 | |Jelly| | How much was the hotel last year? |
| 15:40.11 | Gnarfoz | can I somehow de-cloak on freenode? |
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| 15:41.44 | malreth | get a room! |
| 15:41.47 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? |
| 15:42.01 | Lopeppeppy | That's what we're all talking about, hotels and airplanes! |
| 15:42.10 | malreth | sorry, |Jelly| |
| 15:42.20 | |Jelly| | Seriously Malreth. I did just ask how much the hotel was last year. :P |
| 15:42.43 | malreth | Last year never happened, |Jelly| |
| 15:42.52 | malreth | we agreed to keep it a secret |
| 15:42.53 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Because I wasn't there. |
| 15:43.12 | malreth | ours is a love that dare not speak its name |
| 15:43.23 | |Jelly| | WE WENT FISHING, DAMNIT! |
| 15:43.39 | Lopeppeppy | Not if I wasn't there you didn't. |
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| 15:49.26 | malreth | http://twitter.com/zeldman/statuses/857931490 |
| 15:49.29 | malreth | so true |
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| 15:53.46 | malreth | how's this... 8 weeks ago, management told us to stop logging administrative time (time spent checking e-mail, drinking coffee, etc.) and only log actual work time charged against contracts. |
| 15:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | Now they changed their mind? |
| 15:54.22 | malreth | this week, management is complaining about how much our logged hours have dropped in the past two months and what we're going to do about it |
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| 15:54.25 | cog|work | have you seen an upswing of spilled coffee in keyboards? |
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| 15:56.46 | malreth | although... looking at the charts i'm rather shocked... |
| 15:56.57 | malreth | some people are logging only 9 hours of actual work |
| 15:56.58 | malreth | per week |
| 15:57.23 | malreth | laziness, or social commentary about the IT industry? |
| 15:58.43 | malreth | at least i'm in the thirties per week |
| 15:59.02 | malreth | mostly because Friday is the most useless day of the work week |
| 15:59.11 | Fisker- | oh well |
| 15:59.26 | Fisker- | it's time to talk about blasphemy and madness |
| 15:59.27 | malreth | and i spend the day on projects logged against my immediate employer and not on contracts |
| 15:59.40 | malreth | which i'm not supposed to log |
| 16:00.21 | malreth | i guess i'm gonna start logging them now. I don't think they're even looking at the contents of the logs... just the total hours |
| 16:01.40 | Wikwocket | That would be pretty typical |
| 16:04.36 | hipjipp^ | is anyone here a decent lua coder to help me with some tooltip updating? instead of just sitting here talking about nothing or just idling.. :< |
| 16:05.10 | Wikwocket | What tooltip updates do you need? |
| 16:06.28 | hipjipp^ | take the LynStats memory-tooltip for example, to make it update you need to re-hover it to update the actual tooltip.. I'd like to make a function that updates the tooltip say once every second.. |
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| 16:07.14 | Wikwocket | That is beyond my ability but I'm sure there are those here who can help |
| 16:07.37 | hipjipp^ | have you coded/uploaded anything? =) |
| 16:07.59 | Wikwocket | Yes, but tooltip mojo always confoozles me |
| 16:08.19 | Wikwocket | I based my little tolltip code of some examples I found |
| 16:08.38 | Wikwocket | Gazmik Fizzwidget had a good tooltip library in his mods I think |
| 16:09.02 | hipjipp^ | yeah.. same here.. i know how to update the tooltip in the base of an event like combat.. but not based on time... :< |
| 16:09.07 | hipjipp^ | hm.. didnt know that.. i'll check it out. |
| 16:09.38 | cog|work | hipjipp^: use OnUpdate and a timer |
| 16:10.31 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?forumId=11114&sid=1&topicId=7736596418&pageNo=1 |
| 16:10.37 | cog|work | example ^ |
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| 16:11.21 | hipjipp^ | i'll read it.. im still in the middle of learning (come a long way though), but tooltip + onUpdate is still to be learned.. :P |
| 16:12.08 | cog|work | You're thinking too specifically |
| 16:12.14 | cog|work | a tooltip's just a frame |
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| 16:12.37 | Fisker- | You're thinking too portally cog|work |
| 16:12.42 | Slakah | hipjipp^: Bongos_Stats tooltip updates when the memory/cpu usage changes, check that out. |
| 16:12.42 | hipjipp^ | hehe |
| 16:12.44 | Fisker- | The cake IS a lie |
| 16:12.58 | Fisker- | wait, that would be less portally |
| 16:13.00 | Fisker- | >;O |
| 16:13.14 | hipjipp^ | Slakah: thanks! love ShooShards btw.. :P |
| 16:14.04 | Slakah | Thanks :P |
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| 16:16.03 | Wikwocket | ooh Shoo Shards looks a lot nicer than the mod I use now |
| 16:16.44 | hipjipp^ | Wikwocket: Slakah threw it together since i needed a slim shard-counter.. : D |
| 16:17.23 | Wikwocket | My current one only deletes shards beyond the bag, looks like Shoo Shards is more flexible |
| 16:22.20 | Wikwocket | hmmm Slakah has written quite few handy little mods.... ::downloads everything:: |
| 16:22.34 | hipjipp^ | hehe |
| 16:25.19 | Lopeppeppy | It's a college campus, ankle length thank you very much! :P |
| 16:27.07 | kd3 | wait... wait... |
| 16:27.28 | kd3 | "it's a college campus"... shouldn't that lead to "it's 3 inches long"? |
| 16:27.36 | hipjipp^ | hehe |
| 16:27.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oh gods no. Those perverts use their cell phones to take video. Long peasant skirts are my choice. |
| 16:28.53 | hipjipp^ | I'm wearing a long nice looking skirt.. ^^ :P |
| 16:29.34 | hipjipp^ | http://odiumclothing.net/crosslink/page/article/gen/article/id/32/ |
| 16:30.19 | Fisker- | i like where this thread is going then |
| 16:30.26 | hipjipp^ | :P |
| 16:30.27 | Fisker- | wtf hipjipp^ |
| 16:30.28 | Fisker- | WTF |
| 16:30.34 | Fisker- | i spoke too soon |
| 16:30.34 | hipjipp^ | Im a guy lol |
| 16:30.47 | Fisker- | i figured |
| 16:32.09 | kd3 | welp, it's 9:30 on the left coast... wonder if the blues will deign to post anything today |
| 16:32.12 | malreth | i once wore a long peasant skirt at a party |
| 16:32.20 | malreth | it was very comfortable |
| 16:32.28 | malreth | i can understand why chicks would wear them now |
| 16:32.50 | malreth | they're not so good for swimming, however |
| 16:33.01 | hipjipp^ | why'd you try to swim in it? <.< |
| 16:33.02 | malreth | also, there was swimming at that party |
| 16:33.03 | Lopeppeppy | They're comfy, good for work, flexible when I have to sit on the floor for filing, etc. |
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| 16:33.22 | malreth | and drinking... can't forget the drinking |
| 16:33.36 | Lopeppeppy | I does not drinking in skirts. Oh hell no. |
| 16:33.52 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: that is a lesson I, too, have learned |
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| 16:34.07 | Lopeppeppy | Too many incriminating pictures!! |
| 16:34.26 | malreth | ~google malreth in a skirt |
| 16:34.43 | malreth | ~stupid bot |
| 16:34.43 | purl | Stupid human. |
| 16:34.53 | malreth | :O |
| 16:38.05 | Lopeppeppy | Nice, purl! |
| 16:38.08 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 16:38.08 | purl | Lopeppeppy: thanks |
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| 17:08.32 | malreth | How geeky is it that I'm excited about this Moleskine hack: http://www.flickr.com/photos/operationorange/2563710803/in/set-72157605517462686/ |
| 17:09.47 | Artmi | woho for making an infinite loop :P |
| 17:09.57 | Artmi | in OnUpdate |
| 17:10.47 | malreth | Artmi: you discovered the Pause feature |
| 17:10.59 | malreth | it pauses your game so that you can quit and come back to it later |
| 17:18.16 | Artmi | hehe |
| 17:18.30 | Artmi | I stumbled across a little problem, made my own basic castbar |
| 17:18.46 | Artmi | but the thing is, what if a mob hits me, so the spell takes longer to cast, how can i manage that :/ |
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| 17:19.03 | Artmi | my bar just keeps going of course, what i don't know is, how far back i should set the "bar" when getting hit |
| 17:19.37 | durcyn | UnitCastingInfo("player") should have the new completion time |
| 17:19.52 | Artmi | okey, but is there an event sent |
| 17:19.54 | Artmi | when i get hit? |
| 17:20.11 | Artmi | UNIT_SPELLCAST_DELAY or something the like`? |
| 17:20.28 | durcyn | UNIT_SPELLCAST_DELAYED |
| 17:20.32 | Artmi | aah thanks |
| 17:20.40 | durcyn | or _CHANNEL_UPDATE for channelled spells |
| 17:20.55 | Artmi | aye i haven't really got that far yet, this one is reaaaly basic :P |
| 17:21.46 | durcyn | anyway, if you capture your start/end times on SPELLCAST_START, you're golden |
| 17:21.56 | Artmi | that's exactly what i do |
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| 17:39.09 | Lopeppeppy | I had french fries. |
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| 18:01.58 | malreth | SWEET LAWD! A chicken in a can!!! http://www.amazon.com/SWEET-SUE-WHOLE-CHICKEN-CAN/dp/B0002QEYYK |
| 18:04.10 | Artmi | malreth, haha, ordering that for thanksgiving, :P |
| 18:04.38 | Artmi | new slogan, "With us, you don't even have to cook! We have chicken in a can!" |
| 18:04.50 | malreth | somehow.. i doubt the inside looks like what's on the label |
| 18:04.57 | Artmi | aye |
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| 18:17.05 | Artmi | Is there any function in the API, that could tell me what school a spell is being casted? |
| 18:17.25 | Artmi | eg: fire / frost / shadow / etc |
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| 18:18.34 | Wikwocket | When do you need to know? |
| 18:18.39 | Wikwocket | For example I know it's in the combat log |
| 18:18.49 | Wikwocket | I think anyway... |
| 18:19.10 | amro | combat log shows once the spell hits |
| 18:19.12 | Artmi | well i need to color text depending on what school it is |
| 18:19.22 | Artmi | and would be great if that were possible during the cast, before it hits |
| 18:19.57 | Artmi | I know one way of doing it, but that is so cumbersome :P |
| 18:20.08 | amro | cache spells and their schools? |
| 18:20.12 | Artmi | aye |
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| 18:21.47 | Artmi | I guess there is no way around it? |
| 18:23.15 | Wikwocket | hmm GetSpellInfo doesn't return school? |
| 18:23.52 | Artmi | nope |
| 18:24.24 | Wikwocket | yeah, seems odd |
| 18:24.24 | Artmi | it only returns powerType, cast time , min/max range etc |
| 18:26.32 | Artmi | GetSpellInfo seems to return texture path, could i use that texture path to SomeFrame:SetTexture(...)? |
| 18:28.22 | Artmi | Or even possibly UnitIsCasting also returns an "icon", is that the texture associated with the spell? |
| 18:28.51 | Wikwocket | I think some castbars show the icon for each spell, so probably one of those returns the spell's icon |
| 18:28.58 | Wikwocket | Which doesn't provide the school per se |
| 18:29.08 | Artmi | na but that was a totally other questino :P |
| 18:29.11 | Artmi | i actually want the icon for my castbar |
| 18:29.51 | ckknight | http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/061708/gold-farming-subsidies.gif |
| 18:30.20 | Wikwocket | Ah |
| 18:32.12 | Artmi | WHat is the normal way to hide blizzards built-in castbar anyway? |
| 18:32.31 | Artmi | using CastingBarFrame:Hide() does work, but it'll be reshown in the built-ins OnUpdate anyway |
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| 18:38.50 | laeg | god damnit i find a good 'english' european server to to reroll on and i find out it's full of polish people |
| 18:39.08 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 18:44.10 | Artmi | Aye indeed, i also hate it when they speak in their native language |
| 18:44.17 | Artmi | if others in the group aren't |
| 18:44.43 | Artmi | It just shows how much respect some players have for their fellow people |
| 18:45.01 | laeg | how do you mean? swedish is their native language |
| 18:45.12 | Artmi | Well, not everyones, but those speaking swedish, yes :P |
| 18:45.38 | laeg | :) |
| 18:45.42 | Artmi | What i ment was, those not speaking english in parties were some members are from another country, just shows their lack of respects towards others |
| 18:46.01 | laeg | i don't know why that can't just make 1 rp 1 pvp 1 rppve and 1 pve server fopr swedes and poles etdc |
| 18:46.01 | Artmi | respect* |
| 18:46.15 | laeg | yes, especially when they're on english realms |
| 18:46.25 | Artmi | I'm from sweden, but even i speak english if all in my party / raid isn't from sweden :) |
| 18:47.08 | laeg | bra bra |
| 18:47.09 | laeg | :P |
| 18:47.43 | foxlit | Personally, I don't care if 4/5 people speak Swahili in /p as long as they do their jobs :) |
| 18:48.06 | Artmi | foxlit, I find it annoying, i enjoy having a nice chat whilst clearing boring trash in instances |
| 18:48.25 | Artmi | Not to mention, some languages shows up as strange symbols in the chat |
| 18:48.29 | Artmi | and that's really ugly |
| 18:48.30 | foxlit | Those finding it annoying clearly lack tolerance to other players :) |
| 18:48.58 | Artmi | That's another way to look at it, but i find it that those speaking other languages, have zero respect, since 1 or more players can't understand them |
| 18:49.02 | Artmi | (in party / raid) |
| 18:50.29 | laeg | foxlit it's not about tolerance |
| 18:50.34 | laeg | trade and party chat etc |
| 18:50.38 | laeg | it's an *english realm* |
| 18:50.53 | laeg | blizzard ask people to speak english on their website while playing on english realms |
| 18:51.14 | Artmi | Different languages in trade chat or not, doesn't bother me so much, what bothers me about trade chat |
| 18:51.17 | Artmi | is all Gold spam |
| 18:51.20 | Artmi | and other none-related topics |
| 18:51.23 | laeg | "Realm Language |
| 18:51.23 | laeg | The realm language is the lanuage used by players and game masters in the realm. Players should use that language when they speak in general channels" |
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| 18:51.42 | Artmi | But yes, speaking english in trade is something one expects |
| 18:51.52 | Artmi | But all the none-trade related spam in it, disturbs me alot |
| 18:52.14 | Artmi | I ought to download some good spam-blocker, for all god advertisement, anyone know of a good one? |
| 18:52.20 | Artmi | god = gold |
| 18:52.35 | Artmi | and preferably all none WTB/WTS/WTT related stuff in trade channels |
| 18:52.41 | cog|work | Artmi: either way... wouldn't mind keeping the god sellers away from our house... |
| 18:53.03 | Artmi | cog|work, aye |
| 18:55.05 | Wikwocket | Artmi: a great spam blocker is BadBoy, but that's for gold-seller spam primarily |
| 18:55.17 | Artmi | okey, well that's a start will download it |
| 18:55.29 | Artmi | because gold spamming in general cities is making me go nuts |
| 18:55.31 | Wikwocket | it's on WoWI |
| 18:55.36 | Artmi | thanks Wikwocket |
| 18:55.42 | Wikwocket | it auto-reports gold seller spammers muahaha |
| 18:55.53 | Artmi | :) |
| 18:56.16 | Artmi | ppj WoWI has changed their website |
| 18:56.18 | Artmi | since i last was there |
| 18:56.20 | Artmi | woo! |
| 18:56.28 | Artmi | It looks neat |
| 18:56.56 | batrick | Shirik is at the Lua Workshop1? Lucky =( |
| 19:02.28 | cog|work | as are cladhaire and siaroaoichtioaositoanhtehowthehelleverit'sspelled |
| 19:03.10 | foxlit | "siaroaoichtioaositoanhte"? |
| 19:03.25 | Lopeppeppy | scary |
| 19:03.39 | cog|work | foxlit: the last part of what i wrote being the important bit... |
| 19:04.08 | cog|work | sioraiocht <-- |
| 19:05.17 | Fisker- | cog|work is cooooooog |
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| 19:10.42 | Artmi | what is the difference betwen: UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED_QUIET and UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED? |
| 19:11.46 | Fisker- | I'm guessing one cancels the spell without a "interrupted" message and the other doesn't? |
| 19:11.46 | Fisker- | :D |
| 19:12.15 | Esamynn | I've never heard of the former |
| 19:12.19 | kd3 | ^ |
| 19:12.41 | Artmi | well, Fisker- that does seem natural, but exactly when can that happen in-game? |
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| 19:15.00 | Fisker- | i'm as blank as you :P |
| 19:15.19 | amro | Esamynn: that's because it's quiet :P |
| 19:15.30 | Artmi | Fisker-,Ok :) |
| 19:15.33 | Dashkal | sounds like something that you'd expect to fire when FD fails :p |
| 19:15.48 | Esamynn | Fail ~= resisted |
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| 19:29.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, purl is herself again!! |
| 19:29.54 | Wikwocket | ... |
| 19:31.09 | cog|work | Wikwocket: she grew a tail last week |
| 19:31.30 | Thunder_Child | and all of the furries got a little to excited |
| 19:31.37 | Thunder_Child | too* |
| 19:31.59 | malreth | i'm so happy that the US government has decided to bail out both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. hopefully, now, they can buy new names. |
| 19:32.25 | Wikwocket | ..... |
| 19:32.55 | malreth | billions of our tax dollars... at work... to prevent something that shouldn't have happened to begin with |
| 19:33.03 | Thunder_Child | Wikwocket, careful, your ... are getting longer, at some point they will reach critical mass and implode |
| 19:33.55 | cog|work | malreth: /cry |
| 19:34.33 | Wikwocket | Thunder_Child: don't worry, my ellipses are a carefully regulated commodity |
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| 19:35.16 | Wikwocket | I used to use them more liberally but my guild's shenanigans made me realize I should conserve them, for when I really need them |
| 19:37.25 | Wikwocket | My guild also taught me to conserve my "TMI"'s... |
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| 19:37.56 | Thunder_Child | not conserve but not use at all |
| 19:38.14 | Thunder_Child | i think i missed a comma somewhere there |
| 19:38.18 | Wikwocket | Oh I need some protection from those wackos! :) |
| 19:40.58 | malreth | In my early twenties, I used to have shoulder length curly locks like Eddie Vedder. I was a sex machine. Nowadays, I require a machine to have sex. |
| 19:42.04 | Thunder_Child | interesting requirement, how many machines do you know that can have sex? |
| 19:42.14 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder_Child, google it. |
| 19:42.17 | Wikwocket | ... |
| 19:42.23 | Lopeppeppy | Just google it. *sigh* It's scary. |
| 19:42.26 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, i just like scewing with people |
| 19:42.30 | Thunder_Child | scewing* |
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| 19:42.34 | Thunder_Child | screwing* |
| 19:42.36 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 19:42.38 | Lopeppeppy | Then you don't need a machine, do you? |
| 19:42.51 | Thunder_Child | i wasnt the one that said it |
| 19:43.12 | Thunder_Child | i like scewing peoples minds more than their bodies |
| 19:44.07 | Thunder_Child | i think my "r" is broken |
| 19:44.21 | malreth | looks like it woked twice there |
| 19:44.21 | Thunder_Child | i cant type screwing properly |
| 19:44.53 | malreth | performance anxiety? |
| 19:45.17 | Thunder_Child | no, i have preformed in front of you all for quite a while |
| 19:45.27 | malreth | my advice: close your eyes, lie on your back, and let the girl do all the work |
| 19:45.31 | Thunder_Child | performed* |
| 19:45.52 | Thunder_Child | malreth, it's a 2-way street |
| 19:45.57 | malreth | all the while, keep telling yourself, "it's not my fault. it's not my fault." |
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| 19:46.34 | Thunder_Child | ok, "it;s not malreth's fault, it's not malreth's fault" |
| 19:46.46 | malreth | very good |
| 19:47.18 | Thunder_Child | can anyone else get to www.blizzard.com ? |
| 19:47.19 | |Jelly| | http://i36.tinypic.com/14crw2a.jpg anyone have any idea where the yellow FPS meter is coming from? I was AFK when it came up ... |
| 19:47.26 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 19:47.35 | cog|work | how did Adobe Photoshop CS2 Classroom in a Book end up in the Game Programming category on amazon? O.o |
| 19:47.40 | Esamynn | |Jelly|: hit CTRL + R |
| 19:47.42 | kd3 | ctrl+r? |
| 19:47.56 | |Jelly| | I love you guy's faces off. |
| 19:48.21 | Thunder_Child | lol, |Jelly| some gnome came by while you were afk and did that then? |
| 19:48.36 | Esamynn | no thanks, I think I'd rather keep my face attached it it's all the same to you |
| 19:50.45 | Fisker- | cog|work isn't it obvious? |
| 19:50.48 | Fisker- | Limbo of the Lost |
| 19:51.40 | cog|work | yeah, but it's skewing our book's rank in the category :P |
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| 19:56.45 | Atriace | Is it just me or has no activity occurred here since I logged? |
| 19:56.46 | Thunder_Child | malreth, are you dancing too? |
| 19:57.07 | Thunder_Child | Atriace, lots of activity here |
| 19:57.10 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 19:57.11 | malreth | Does the Fresh Prince get jiggy with it? |
| 19:57.18 | Thunder_Child | sometimes |
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| 19:57.40 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Atriace |
| 19:57.40 | purl | calls Atriace on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 19:57.48 | Atriace | Aha! It worked. |
| 19:57.55 | Thunder_Child | we heard you the other time |
| 19:57.59 | Atriace | That's odd. |
| 19:58.02 | Atriace | I didn't see anything. |
| 19:58.11 | Thunder_Child | there was lots |
| 19:58.28 | Thunder_Child | much about screwing tbh |
| 19:58.41 | Atriace | not tbc? |
| 19:59.11 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 19:59.37 | Atriace | oh... to be honest. |
| 19:59.51 | Thunder_Child | uh, what were you thinking? |
| 20:00.02 | Atriace | I had no IDEA what YOU were thinking. :p |
| 20:00.34 | malreth | he probably got it from me |
| 20:00.55 | Thunder_Child | ah, the devils liquid |
| 20:01.06 | malreth | Hey! |
| 20:01.07 | Atriace | Almost as good as prune juice. |
| 20:01.18 | malreth | That's Mr. Devil to you. |
| 20:01.20 | Thunder_Child | for what? bowel movment? |
| 20:02.09 | Thunder_Child | malreth, "ah, the Mr. Devils liquid" doesnt sound quite correct |
| 20:02.36 | malreth | I'm gonna make a microbrew and call it "Mr. Devil's Liquid" |
| 20:02.46 | Atriace | ew... Mr. Devil secretions. |
| 20:03.06 | Thunder_Child | thats for the dark blend |
| 20:03.48 | Atriace | You know, I was just about to drink my coffee. |
| 20:03.50 | Fisker- | you are processing kd3 |
| 20:04.03 | Thunder_Child | Atriace, we "aim" to please |
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| 20:09.23 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Fisker- |
| 20:09.23 | purl | plops Fisker- into a giant vat of herring |
| 20:14.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Know what sucks? Diagnosing blue screens of death... when you don't have access to the computer |
| 20:15.46 | Artmi | can someone see something that doesn't add up here? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91303 I can't get my <Texture> to work, when i use SetTexture("path to texture") in lua :/ |
| 20:16.07 | malreth | Know what rocks? Getting the green light on a pilot program to roll out 50 dual boot macbooks for our labs. |
| 20:16.24 | malreth | that's one political battle won... |
| 20:16.26 | amro | Artmi: looks like tags don't match |
| 20:16.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Artmi: "Line 1: element Frame: Schemas validity error : Element 'Frame': No matching global declaration available for the validation root." |
| 20:16.26 | KarlKFI | score |
| 20:16.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Artmi: your XML is borked, in sum |
| 20:17.01 | amro | actually looks like a few missing spaces |
| 20:17.04 | amro | between tag and attrs |
| 20:17.18 | amro | <Layerlevel="BACKGROUND"> for instance |
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| 20:17.37 | Artmi | what's wrong with background? |
| 20:17.44 | amro | it should be <Layer level="BACKGROUND"> |
| 20:17.56 | cog|work | Artmi: get yourself a decent XML editor imo |
| 20:17.56 | Artmi | it is a space betwen Layer and level |
| 20:18.07 | ScytheBlade1 | What cog|work said |
| 20:18.08 | cog|work | e.g. http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Set_up_Visual_Studio_for_WoW_XML |
| 20:18.10 | hipjipp^ | imho, lua is way easier and cleaner to code than xml... |
| 20:18.28 | Artmi | i don't like visual studio :/ |
| 20:18.33 | cog|work | hipjipp^: it's not "easier" for static uis in the face of schema-based code completion :P |
| 20:18.51 | cog|work | Artmi: it's got the best *free* xml editor available |
| 20:18.59 | Artmi | alright, will try it out :P |
| 20:19.09 | Artmi | still, what's wrong with my code except that thing with layer? |
| 20:19.14 | KarlKFI | XMLSpy free? |
| 20:19.15 | Artmi | the xml that is |
| 20:19.25 | cog|work | KarlKFI: hasn't been available for years |
| 20:19.37 | KarlKFI | ? |
| 20:19.49 | ScytheBlade1 | KarlKFI: no. It's like multiple thousands of dollars. |
| 20:20.28 | Artmi | ScytheBlade1, that error is just because i didn't paste the first and last line :P |
| 20:20.34 | Artmi | with the schema declaration |
| 20:20.40 | Artmi | the pastebin wouldn't let me, so i skipped it |
| 20:20.48 | KarlKFI | work has full suite license, but i thought there was a trimmed free vers |
| 20:20.59 | cog|work | *was* being the key word :P |
| 20:21.25 | cog|work | they stopped releasing it, and removed all the old versions from their site |
| 20:21.43 | KarlKFI | ahh |
| 20:21.48 | Esamynn | so that's why I was never able to find a free version of XMLSpy when I looked |
| 20:22.03 | KarlKFI | 30 day trial |
| 20:22.06 | KarlKFI | http://www.altova.com/simpledownload1.html |
| 20:22.42 | cog|work | 30-day trials are meh in the face of free VS imo... 'less you're on a mac |
| 20:23.21 | KarlKFI | xCode any good with xml? |
| 20:24.06 | KarlKFI | Altovia has a free Eclipse plugin |
| 20:24.12 | KarlKFI | for xml |
| 20:24.34 | KarlKFI | http://www.altova.com/features_eclipse.html |
| 20:26.05 | cog|work | you have to have XMLSpy in the first place |
| 20:26.11 | cog|work | Eclipse integration is supported on both the Enterprise and Professional Editions of XMLSpy® 2008 and can be downloaded from the components download page. |
| 20:26.44 | KarlKFI | ah |
| 20:26.54 | amro | xmlspy was disappointing :( I still don't get what's good about it |
| 20:26.56 | Dashkal | Eclipse's built-in XML support isn't bad |
| 20:27.07 | cog|work | Artmi: mind if i ask whether you don't like VS because it's MS or for some other reason? |
| 20:27.11 | Dashkal | Nowhere near XMLSpy, but the price can't be beat |
| 20:27.11 | cog|work | d'oh |
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| 20:27.27 | cog|work | Dashkal: neither can the price of VS :P |
| 20:27.49 | Dashkal | Depending on MS to fix bugs in the environment is a lil iffy :p |
| 20:27.53 | amro | cog|work: for me at least, VS is really, really slow |
| 20:28.18 | Fisker- | o hai cog|work |
| 20:28.27 | cog|work | it's slow to load for me but once it's up i've never had any problems |
| 20:28.32 | cog|work | except with third-party plugins |
| 20:29.19 | cog|work | Dashkal: what bugs in particular? the xml editor that i'm takling about works fine... |
| 20:29.42 | Dashkal | In general. I use eclipse and haven't switched simply because what I have does what I need |
| 20:29.47 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784275032&sid=1&pageNo=6#106 |
| 20:29.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Can anyone else comment on post 106-107-108? |
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| 20:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as I can tell, his suggestion to change the unitIds, or rather, his goal is already possible - at least in my experiences |
| 20:30.24 | cog|work | Dashkal: that's what i'm trying to say though... VS does so much more that it makes statements like hipjipp^'s invalid |
| 20:30.51 | Dashkal | ok, you win there |
| 20:31.00 | Dashkal | For a static UI XML is just fine |
| 20:31.22 | Dashkal | Hell even a text editor that handles indentation is more than enough to make it not terribly painful. |
| 20:31.25 | KarlKFI | how much does oxygen cost? |
| 20:31.27 | KarlKFI | http://www.oxygenxml.com/ |
| 20:31.42 | KarlKFI | oh lol |
| 20:31.44 | KarlKFI | says ont he side |
| 20:32.00 | KarlKFI | Academic: $48 |
| 20:32.42 | amro | ooo, crossplatform |
| 20:32.45 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: I've never had grid not come back entirely when franticly logging back in in kara |
| 20:32.55 | Dashkal | But that was months back |
| 20:32.56 | Dashkal | before 2.4 |
| 20:32.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 20:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh, 2.4 didn't change anything that would affect it |
| 20:33.18 | Dashkal | perhaps grid changed since then? |
| 20:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I haven't updated since then :) |
| 20:33.32 | Dashkal | heh |
| 20:34.57 | Dashkal | But yeah, I didn't have any problems with in combat reloads and such when testing grid status party so... |
| 20:35.02 | Dashkal | I just didn't do that testing in raids |
| 20:35.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Kara counds as a raid |
| 20:35.27 | Dashkal | GSP was written right after 2.4 came out. |
| 20:35.32 | Dashkal | I was testing in 5 mans |
| 20:35.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, I thought you meant grid |
| 20:35.49 | Dashkal | I do |
| 20:36.02 | Dashkal | GridStatusParty == Grid icons for party leader, raid leader, raid assist, and master looter |
| 20:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 20:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I *just* use Grid |
| 20:36.23 | Dashkal | I wanted grid to replace my party frames. |
| 20:36.39 | Dashkal | Much love to pastamancer for help writing that thing |
| 20:38.56 | Dashkal | But more to the point, while testing I had no issues with getting grid back up when reloading in combat. I'm pretty sure 108 is implying grid itself never came back and all he saw was his normal unit frame mod's party frames |
| 20:43.29 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: thanks |
| 20:43.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I didn't either |
| 20:43.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I just tested |
| 20:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I was able to move people around while in combat and grid updated both their position and I was able to click on them in their new location |
| 20:44.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Further it kept on working despite an in-combat reload |
| 20:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | So I'm going to chalk it up to the guy being broken and call it good |
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| 20:50.25 | pastamancer | I've put a good amount of work into ensuring grid behaves well when logging-in in-combat and reloading in-combat |
| 20:57.04 | Artmi | cog|work, you were so right, visual studios xml editor rocks! |
| 20:58.14 | sylvanaar | its not bad |
| 20:58.20 | cog|work | =} |
| 20:58.22 | sylvanaar | xml spy is way better |
| 20:58.28 | cog|work | and way costlier :P |
| 20:58.40 | Artmi | hehe might buy it later |
| 20:58.44 | Artmi | depending on how much it costs |
| 20:59.03 | Artmi | are we talking about 80$ or 800$? :P |
| 20:59.04 | sylvanaar | they used to have a free one |
| 21:00.29 | cog|work | https://shop.altova.com/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=V2008R2C1%5Fshop&category%5Fname=XMLSpy&Page=1 |
| 21:00.45 | cog|work | starting at $539 |
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| 21:01.30 | Artmi | that was darn expensive |
| 21:01.40 | Artmi | Not worth it unless you're dealing with xml on a daily basis |
| 21:03.38 | cog|work | a lot of people are prejudiced against Visual Studio just because it's MS, but it's really the best damn IDE period. Whatever the VS team is doing, they need to incorporate into the rest of the company imo |
| 21:05.42 | Artmi | cog|work,i'm loving it |
| 21:05.50 | sylvanaar | um, well, i think this was the last free version http://www.altova.com/download/2004r3/default.asp?product=h&os=any&server=us |
| 21:06.04 | Artmi | for xml anyway, other then that, i don't like visual studios |
| 21:06.23 | sylvanaar | VS2008 is my favorite IDE by far |
| 21:06.53 | cog|work | Artmi: have you spent any significant time using it since the 2005 version? |
| 21:07.48 | sylvanaar | though depending on the language you use, you might want to add on a couple things |
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| 21:08.02 | malreth | ~seen lunessa |
| 21:08.04 | purl | lunessa <n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 1h 5m 26s ago, saying: 'TomTom. Or any of the Garmen products.'. |
| 21:08.22 | malreth | he must be doing Real Work |
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| 21:09.48 | Artmi | I don't get it, been redoing this a 100 times, still nothing: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91310 if i change the Anchor point for my Texture to CastingBarFrame(blizzards casting bar), it works :/ |
| 21:09.58 | Artmi | must be something wrong with my own frame, but can't figure out what |
| 21:09.59 | foxlit | setmetatable(t, {__newindex = function(t, k, v) t[k] = v; -- or rawset(t,k,v)? |
| 21:10.16 | Atriace | Artmi: blizard bars are evil! |
| 21:10.28 | Artmi | Atriace, i know |
| 21:10.40 | Artmi | :P |
| 21:10.54 | foxlit | er |
| 21:11.03 | foxlit | <Anchor point="LEFT" relativePoint="LEFT" relativeTo="oCastBarFrame"/> is pretty redundant |
| 21:11.10 | foxlit | <Anchor point="LEFT"/> does the same thing |
| 21:11.11 | Artmi | aye that was wrong paste |
| 21:11.21 | Artmi | normally i have it as RIGHT (point) relpoint left |
| 21:11.44 | Artmi | aka: <Anchor point="RIGHT" relativePoint="LEFT" relativeTo="oCastBarFrame"/> |
| 21:12.04 | foxlit | try without relativeTo -- parent is implied, which should work here |
| 21:12.47 | Artmi | still nothing |
| 21:13.19 | foxlit | /dump oCastBarFrameIcon:GetRect() |
| 21:13.20 | foxlit | ? |
| 21:13.54 | Artmi | i don't have /dump |
| 21:14.28 | foxlit | Try /print, which isn't as nice but comes with kitchensinks everywhere :) |
| 21:14.30 | cladhaire | ~devtools |
| 21:14.31 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 21:15.55 | Artmi | "attemp to index global oCastBarFrameIcon.." |
| 21:16.03 | Artmi | (a nil value) |
| 21:16.17 | Kirov | It's not in the default ui because my 12meg using auto generated options menu for the event tracker window should never be put in to a comercial product. (it is fast though!) |
| 21:16.32 | hipjipp^ | purl: been looking at it several times, but i don't really get the description of the commands.. =/ can you help? <.< |
| 21:16.54 | Kirov | hipjipp^ - purl is an irc bot |
| 21:17.18 | hipjipp^ | ah.. didnt know.. lol |
| 21:17.20 | cladhaire | hipjipp^: there is a /dtevents command |
| 21:17.22 | cladhaire | and there is a /dump command |
| 21:17.24 | foxlit | Artmi: repaste the exact code you're using |
| 21:17.27 | cladhaire | that's the most important stuff :P |
| 21:17.35 | Artmi | foxlit,the xml? or lua |
| 21:17.38 | foxlit | XML |
| 21:17.39 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.41 | Artmi | okey |
| 21:17.42 | cladhaire | aye |
| 21:17.50 | foxlit | /dtchatevents |
| 21:17.57 | Kirov | for those "wtf is that" moments. |
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| 21:18.32 | Artmi | foxlit,http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91312 |
| 21:19.19 | hipjipp^ | how much memory does devtools use in-game? if anyone knows that is |
| 21:19.37 | foxlit | Artmi: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91313-2b7k:91312-3w3v |
| 21:19.39 | Atriace | Hipjipp: very little. Try !Profiler to find out. |
| 21:19.58 | Atriace | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.59 | Artmi | foxlit, still not working after fixing that :/ |
| 21:20.59 | hipjipp^ | it's ok, i'm using LynStats witch's showing memory usage of addons.. just wondered if someone knew out-of-the-blue.. :P |
| 21:21.05 | Kirov | devtools, if you're not doing anything with it (just playing the game) uses under a meg. If you play with it for a while it'll maybe go up to 2 megs. If you use the event tracker options menu it'll use about 12 megs |
| 21:21.51 | Kirov | And yes, I am an evil, evil person. |
| 21:21.56 | foxlit | Artmi: describe what exactly isn't working: is your XML still not parsing at all? |
| 21:22.25 | hipjipp^ | Kirov: : O crazy.. :< but hey, it does what it's supposed to |
| 21:23.17 | Artmi | foxlit, Well it should be parsing, but.. the th ing is, in my lua code i display a texture v.i.a SetTexture |
| 21:23.20 | Artmi | and that doesn't display |
| 21:23.28 | Kirov | hipjipp^ - I always run with DevTools installed. Way too useful to not have. |
| 21:23.29 | Artmi | However if i position |
| 21:23.44 | Artmi | The texture frame(in XML), to the left of blizzards cast bar(CastingBarFrame) |
| 21:23.46 | Artmi | it displays it |
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| 21:24.03 | sixen-debug | I hate Trillian... :(. |
| 21:24.29 | hipjipp^ | sixen-debug: why? i use trillian to irc.. :P |
| 21:24.32 | Kirov | sixen-debug - press escape? |
| 21:24.52 | Artmi | foxlit, If the lua is of interest, here it is: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91315 |
| 21:24.56 | foxlit | Artmi: yeah, okay, sec. |
| 21:24.56 | Artmi | but shouldn't make any difference |
| 21:25.32 | foxlit | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91316-37jv:91313-2b7k |
| 21:25.55 | foxlit | I've removed the schema things because pastey is annoying with URLs, but that shouldn't really make a difference |
| 21:25.58 | Kirov | SetTexture(icon, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5) - bad! |
| 21:26.22 | foxlit | Kirov: meh. Will set the icon with 0.5 alpha and ignore the other stuff |
| 21:26.29 | foxlit | You used RelDimension where you meant AbsDimension; |
| 21:26.43 | foxlit | setallpoints (SetAllPoints) is to make something fill its parent container |
| 21:27.08 | foxlit | You do not really need that if you're providing an anchor and dimensions |
| 21:27.31 | Kirov | Artmi - SetTexture usage |
| 21:27.31 | Kirov | SetTexture(icon) |
| 21:27.31 | Kirov | OR |
| 21:27.36 | Kirov | SetTexture(0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5) |
| 21:27.38 | Artmi | foxlit,woho, now it works |
| 21:27.46 | Artmi | I don't get what difference those small changes made though |
| 21:27.59 | Artmi | foxlit,okey what's the difference betwen reldimension and abs? |
| 21:28.42 | foxlit | One is relative (multiplier from... something (parent?)), the other is absolute ("pixels") |
| 21:28.56 | Artmi | aah ok |
| 21:29.21 | foxlit | When you say <RelDimension x="195" y="35" /> (if that is valid, the range might be [0, 1]), you're implying 195 times the size of... something |
| 21:29.41 | foxlit | Which probably resulted in oCastBarFrame being bit enough to push oCastBarFrameIcon off-screen |
| 21:29.53 | foxlit | s/bit/big/ |
| 21:30.02 | Artmi | foxlit, Ah now i get it |
| 21:31.45 | Artmi | thanks alot foxlit for all your help |
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| 21:34.04 | Artmi | Kinda new to all this, when i finish this castbar, it'll be my first ever finished addon :) |
| 21:37.05 | foxlit | Does each frame have its own metatable? |
| 21:37.22 | foxlit | (or widget, rather than frame) |
| 21:37.32 | malreth | metatable? u sure say funny things, foxlit |
| 21:38.57 | foxlit | I'll chalk that up to "I don't know what you're talking about, mon!" |
| 21:42.19 | cog|work | foxlit: i think each widget type shares a common metatable |
| 21:43.15 | foxlit | inconvenient :( |
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| 21:51.15 | sixen-debug | @hip: Trillian Astra keeps lagging horribly :( |
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| 22:01.27 | cog|work | does http://bsn.borderware.com take forever to load for anyone else? |
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| 22:03.32 | sixen-debug | @Cog: Yeah, it took a bit. |
| 22:04.29 | sixen-debug | @Cog: Heh, that websites pretty cool... |
| 22:05.30 | Atriace | Does *anybody* have a list of what range of characters in UTF-8 each language uses? I've been searching for a while now and I can't seem to find a master reference on the issue. |
| 22:06.17 | cog|work | sixen-debug: it would be cool if they updated their data in any reasonable amount of time... |
| 22:06.35 | sixen-debug | Truth, :(. |
| 22:07.09 | cog|work | We changed ISPs a few months ago and it seems we've inherited some bad history http://intercept.borderware.com/lookup?ip=75.101.7.178&u=c20f6e79ede2b90c&d=53fdd2c3d653f75b |
| 22:07.39 | cog|work | the "request to clear history" form is taking ages to submit >:( |
| 22:07.45 | sixen-debug | :( |
| 22:08.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Atriace: uhh, iirc that list is......... MASSIVE. |
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| 22:08.29 | Atriace | I can imagine. |
| 22:08.32 | Atriace | But you've seen it? |
| 22:09.10 | sixen-debug | Heh, just realized I never Identified :x |
| 22:09.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure one doesn't exist |
| 22:09.55 | Atriace | Qué!? Como es possible!? |
| 22:10.12 | Atriace | That's absurd. |
| 22:10.25 | Kraps | anyone know of the addon mobinfo? |
| 22:10.33 | Atriace | Kraps: aye |
| 22:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Atriace: all possible UTF-8 chars for *all languages*? |
| 22:11.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Like... umm |
| 22:11.24 | haste | Atriace: http://www.unicode.org/charts/ like that? |
| 22:11.36 | Atriace | No, I've been there. |
| 22:11.39 | Kraps | is there a way to remove the tooltip when you mouse over a mob, but keep the stuff n the playerframe? |
| 22:11.57 | Atriace | Like Greek/Coptic uses 880â1023, Cyrrilic uses 1024-1279, etc... |
| 22:12.21 | Atriace | Kraps: I do believe so. Just use the built-in control panel. |
| 22:12.49 | Kraps | the one ingame? |
| 22:12.53 | Atriace | aye |
| 22:13.16 | Kraps | i looked... |
| 22:13.28 | Kraps | guess i need to look again |
| 22:14.33 | Atriace | Kraps: (http://media.curse.com/adjust_images/resize/750x500/39/648.jpg), try "All OFF" |
| 22:14.41 | amro | Atriace: I think there are details in unicode's website |
| 22:15.05 | Kraps | ah cool thnx |
| 22:15.19 | Atriace | Amro: I sure hope so. I've been crawling around through it and I haven't found it yet. |
| 22:15.59 | amro | I had a few for specific languages, but im not sure if there's a global list |
| 22:16.04 | amro | lots of languages share characters |
| 22:16.45 | Atriace | Oh. Actually, Kraps, try the first menu window and check the "Instead of MobInfo-Tooltip use the Game-Tooltip" checkbox (http://media.curse.com/adjust_images/resize/750x500/39/646.jpg). I think that's what you need. |
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| 22:17.27 | Kraps | sweetness |
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| 22:18.32 | Kraps | is atlasloot usefull? |
| 22:19.05 | Cide | try it out? |
| 22:19.07 | Atriace | ... why not try it out? |
| 22:19.11 | Cide | I win |
| 22:19.14 | Atriace | doh |
| 22:19.15 | Kraps | lol yeah ok |
| 22:20.58 | Kraps | kinda like alphamaps, i thought i was utter crap compared to cartographer, until i used it in bg's and instances |
| 22:21.17 | Kraps | blew me away |
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| 22:33.21 | Atriace | sigh... I think I'm going to have to call the Unicode Consortium. |
| 22:33.48 | Dreagar | hey kids. :) finnally go to order the wowprogamming book. :) like gettin a birthday present. i'm all excited. lol |
| 22:34.00 | amro | Atriace: what do you need it for? |
| 22:34.29 | Atriace | World domination... and a little bit of language sauce for a Lua project. |
| 22:34.52 | Dreagar | i'm curious though, i used the Player_Control_lost event, and did UnitOnTaxi("player") and it reported nil. :( that's not right is it? |
| 22:35.06 | Atriace | Did you capitalize the event? |
| 22:35.11 | Dreagar | yupper |
| 22:35.20 | Atriace | As in all caps (not what you pasted)? |
| 22:35.39 | Dreagar | the event fired fine, and the debug message came up UnitOnTaxi("player") returned nil |
| 22:36.28 | Atriace | pastey? |
| 22:36.32 | Dreagar | i'm tryin to collect the start and end locations when a player goes on a flight. |
| 22:36.35 | Dreagar | sure hold on |
| 22:37.50 | Dreagar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.40 | Dreagar | in the TAXIMAP_CLOSED event, the debug never fires. in the PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST the debug prints nil for the UnitOnTaxi("player") method |
| 22:39.41 | Dreagar | perhaps i can write a wait method that i can put into the player control lost, and wait a minnit beofre checking to see if the unit is on a taxi or not? |
| 22:39.46 | Dreagar | but i'm not sure how to do that. |
| 22:40.16 | Atriace | If you wanted to do that, you'd "wait" by putting in a toggle to run a piece of code in the OnUpdate event |
| 22:40.57 | Dreagar | but honestly the UnitOnTaxi should be showing true or 1 when player control lost. if i'm readng the API's right. |
| 22:41.25 | Atriace | But I'm curious if it's not your debug that's having the issue and not the code itself. You don't actually have anything inside line 21. Perhaps your tostring conversion of a boolean is what's causing the nil? |
| 22:41.57 | Atriace | I don't know. It looks right otherwise. |
| 22:42.47 | Dreagar | well line 21 shouldn't affect the debug beforehand. but i can put another debug. the debug method simply concats all the args, and prints them to the default chat frame. |
| 22:42.51 | Atriace | um... you also have a unnecessary third parenthesis, btw |
| 22:44.07 | Atriace | doh, scratch that. |
| 22:44.30 | Dreagar | :D |
| 22:45.18 | foxlit | Easiest way to get the class color of a raid member by name? |
| 22:46.03 | Atriace | foxlit: I keep a predefined table of class colors. |
| 22:46.22 | foxlit | There's one in Fonts.xml anyhow |
| 22:46.30 | foxlit | It's the name->class transition that's interesting here |
| 22:46.59 | Atriace | Interesting. |
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| 22:47.24 | Dreagar | i dunno. i guess i'll try smore debuggin |
| 22:49.15 | Dreagar | darn. aded debug into TAXIMAP_CLOSED function, before the if statement, it printed out nil twice. :( |
| 22:50.43 | Esamynn | Dreagar: known issue, it has to due with client/server comm delay |
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| 22:52.12 | Dreagar | http://www.pastey.net/91322 still spittin out nil.. |
| 22:52.40 | Dreagar | Oh, thans Esamynn, any idea how i can figure out if they're flyin or not then? is my best bet to write some sort of wait method? |
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| 23:01.57 | Dreagar | ahh darnit. i suppose i'll come back later and see if there's other ideas. ;) |
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| 23:47.21 | Dreagar | http://www.pastey.net/91322 OK since there might be more ppl here now. anyone know how i can overcome the UnitOnTaxi("player") outputtin nil in both PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST, and TAXIMAP_CLOSED? :) |
| 23:50.55 | Dreagar | could i hook TakeTaxiNode(slot) and then use player gained control when it's done? hmm. |
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| 23:52.50 | Atriace | Here's an idea |
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| 23:52.56 | Shirik | it's a bad one |
| 23:52.58 | Shirik | don't listen to him |
| 23:53.00 | Shirik | I mean hi |
| 23:53.18 | Atriace | the letters are all close together, I take it? |
| 23:53.27 | Shirik | yes very much so |
| 23:54.46 | Atriace | When you get PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST, set a var that tells your OnUpdate to check for UnitOnTaxi("player") every second for at least 15 seconds (or whatever cutoff). If it returns true at any time, you'll have the recorded start time from the PLAYER_CONTROL_LOST event and know to track the flight time. |
| 23:54.59 | Atriace | If it returns false, then you know you're not on a taxi. |
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| 23:55.49 | Kaso | wouldnt even need to be that long, like 1/2 second would prob do it |
| 23:56.15 | Atriace | I don't know, but from glancing at some other code, a 15 second timeout has been used before. |
| 23:56.52 | Atriace | Dreagar: you do know how to wait, yes? |
| 23:59.44 | Atriace | Wow... cogwheel hasn't disconnected in a week. |
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