| 00:02.31 | Dashkal | Secure Headers question: To implement cog's suggestion of making my radial menu take the spell of whatever I clicked last, would that mean I need two states for every spell? One for the spell and radial buttons visible, one for the spell and radial buttons hiding? |
| 00:04.19 | Dashkal | or can I somehow make the anchor button drive a state change in a header other than it's own |
| 00:04.39 | Dashkal | Leaving me with one header for the visibility of the radials and one for the spell on the anchor |
| 00:04.51 | Dashkal | it's -> its |
| 00:04.54 | Dashkal | I hate that word... |
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| 00:10.32 | Lunessa | WTB Forum TOC poster for Mac OSX |
| 00:14.57 | breser | ? |
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| 00:20.42 | bleeter | Lunessa: get Mono for OSX? |
| 00:20.57 | bleeter | (if there is such a beastie somewhere... I suspect there would be) |
| 00:20.59 | Lunessa | mmmm... sec. checking. |
| 00:21.28 | bleeter | http://www.mono-project.com/Mono:OSX |
| 00:21.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, I'm only 36 AB marks and 34 EotS marks away from >400 res |
| 00:21.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That and 23223947923 honor |
| 00:22.14 | Esamynn | lol |
| 00:22.22 | Lunessa | Neat. :) |
| 00:22.48 | Esamynn | now see, to the pvp layman like me, that sounds like forever :P |
| 00:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | It is :P |
| 00:26.25 | ScytheBlade1 | The honor? IT BURNS |
| 00:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | But I've already for 73 AV 86 WSG and 34 EotS marks |
| 00:26.43 | ScytheBlade1 | So that is a help |
| 00:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | s/for/got/ |
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| 00:38.32 | MusicMan | is there an api function that just hits the next page button on the auctionhouse? |
| 00:38.59 | Lunessa | This post is the epitome of passive agressive demands for help: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 |
| 00:39.16 | Codayus | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 |
| 00:39.20 | Codayus | gah |
| 00:39.23 | Codayus | stupid mouse |
| 00:39.28 | Codayus | <--- fail |
| 00:39.31 | breser | Which um post, you just linked the UI forum. |
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| 00:40.38 | Lunessa | Bah... Wrong window ftl |
| 00:41.41 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903742435&sid=1 |
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| 00:43.07 | Dashkal | wow |
| 00:49.51 | Lunessa | <3 Cairenn|afk |
| 00:49.53 | amro | "But kam you forgot when posting that your dealing with someone very stupid who won't read it all since its too long" |
| 00:49.59 | Cairenn | Lunessa: :) |
| 00:50.07 | Lunessa | Passive-Aggressive. |
| 00:50.20 | Cairenn | there's a reason that is the first question I ask ... ;) |
| 00:50.24 | Lunessa | Her posts boil down to, "Fuck you, do it for me." |
| 00:50.48 | Cairenn | yeah, definitely an annoying tone from someone who is trying to get help |
| 00:51.05 | Cairenn | and ... /wave, evening all |
| 00:51.07 | Lunessa | It prompted my .sig change. |
| 00:51.08 | amro | "Oh why oh why did I delete my addons." kinda wish you'd deleted your WoW |
| 00:51.25 | Lunessa | "Cogwheel teaches you to fish. Kamdis, Troodi, Lopeppeppy and others here will teach you to fish, and sometimes give you one. Otherwise, we'll just set you on fire." |
| 00:52.35 | amro | speaking of sigs, "...consider the possibility that you are not the center of the universe." on Lakuta's |
| 00:53.34 | Cairenn | brb |
| 00:54.38 | Lunessa | I'm the center of the universe. My gravitational pull is massive. |
| 00:56.55 | Thunder_Child | ... |
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| 01:03.39 | Lunessa | Com'on T-C - you know you want to take a cheap shot. I set it all up for you... |
| 01:10.46 | Thunder_Child | i know you did Lunessa, but i try not to take the obvious ones, i olike a challange |
| 01:11.05 | Lunessa | *yawn* |
| 01:11.17 | Lunessa | :P |
| 01:11.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child's mom takes the obvious ones. *nods* |
| 01:11.35 | Lunessa | Hey, she pays well. |
| 01:11.52 | Thunder_Child | didnt know you 2 were into necraphelia |
| 01:11.58 | Thunder_Child | necrophelia* |
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| 01:12.43 | AnduinLothar | I am way confused... does Google Analytics actually work for anyone? |
| 01:12.55 | Thunder_Child | squicks (sp?) |
| 01:12.55 | batbot | Thunder_Child, nothing found. |
| 01:13.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, i noscripted it |
| 01:13.04 | Thunder_Child | thats what i thought.... |
| 01:13.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: well, cheap is cheap.. |
| 01:13.22 | bleeter | AnduinLothar: it seems to work for Google Shareholders ;) |
| 01:13.39 | Thunder_Child | true NightHawkTheSane, i get what i pay for |
| 01:13.42 | bleeter | tho yeah, I'm with Mr_Rabies2 - it's blocked hard here |
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| 01:14.01 | bleeter | btw, have people noticed the hidden advertising in the WoW Fourms? |
| 01:14.26 | bleeter | open up the source of any forum page and look for atdmt.com |
| 01:14.27 | AnduinLothar | no, not google ads. google analytics |
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| 01:14.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still have google-analytics.com blocked in noscript ;] |
| 01:15.03 | Nechckn | Ha... look at the bodies!! http://nevir.net/wow/warsong/stormwind/stormwind_32.jpg |
| 01:15.06 | bleeter | google-analytics.com is blocked here on my proxies, my noscript and adblock plyus |
| 01:15.07 | Nechckn | that is amazing |
| 01:15.09 | bleeter | plus |
| 01:15.09 | AnduinLothar | it's their site statiscs that uses javascript to send data |
| 01:15.30 | bleeter | atdmt is related to google? |
| 01:16.18 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 01:16.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 01:16.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | atdmt shows up in my noscript |
| 01:16.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's not in the source anywhere i can see |
| 01:16.38 | AnduinLothar | it tracks visitor stats to your site, not alll oyur visits to everywhere |
| 01:17.24 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: it's inside a iframe inside a div |
| 01:17.31 | bleeter | an eg, <div style="display:none;"><iframe src="http://view.atdmt.com/NTB/iview/30745af7d9f645dd8eaa029be8939987/direct;wi.1;hi.1/01?click= |
| 01:17.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is on the wow mainpage |
| 01:17.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | so it may be in a different place |
| 01:17.49 | bleeter | no, wow forums |
| 01:17.52 | kd3 | o_O; |
| 01:17.57 | bleeter | at least the US forums |
| 01:17.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's showing up in noscript on the mainpage |
| 01:18.16 | kd3 | oh wow. my noscript's showing it now too for the forum |
| 01:18.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | but not the page source, but it could be that because it's in an iframe it's hidden or something |
| 01:18.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 01:18.19 | bleeter | it's getting blocked here by AdBlockPlus, so that's why NoScript never sees it for me |
| 01:18.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | should be for me too |
| 01:18.32 | bleeter | yeah, this was on CSF yesterday |
| 01:18.48 | AnduinLothar | https://www.google.com/analytics/ |
| 01:18.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 01:19.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do have opendns set to block ads too |
| 01:22.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | so between the 3 of those my internet looks the way i want it to instead of being at the mercy of shady ad companies |
| 01:23.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure some sites' layouts may break but that's what greasemonkey is for |
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| 01:34.59 | Codex| | can anyone tell me how gear rating report fu calculates its value? |
| 01:35.01 | Codex| | item level? |
| 01:35.07 | kd3 | open up the source code in notepad? |
| 01:35.16 | Codex| | its not making much sense to me |
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| 01:40.30 | Codex| | whats the name of the mod that tracks pvp flag time? |
| 01:40.42 | Codex| | nvmd found it |
| 01:40.56 | Kaso | Codex| what addon is the rating report fu addon you speak of? Full name i can google |
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| 01:41.23 | Codex| | Title: FuBar - |cffffffffGearRating|r |
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| 01:44.40 | Kaso | it appears to be mostly based upon item level, with modifiers for quality, which slot the item is in, if it is a weapon |
| 01:46.09 | Yssaril | which one is more readable the top or bottom if then statment in http://ace.pastey.net/91124 also which one is more efficient? |
| 01:47.09 | Kaso | top is better but they both compile to the same bytecode iirc |
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| 01:47.54 | Kaso | I think lua optimises nested ifs like that at least, im sure i remeber reading that |
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| 01:48.27 | Yssaril | k cool |
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| 01:52.20 | Kaso | Actualy im wrong they dont compile to the same bytecode |
| 01:52.36 | Kaso | but the difference in them is so neglegable its not worth considering |
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| 01:52.40 | Kaso | just go with what looks best |
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| 01:55.48 | Codex| | Kaso thanks :) |
| 01:56.05 | Codex| | Kaso does it take enchants and gems into acct? |
| 01:57.40 | Kaso | Not that i can see |
| 01:58.19 | Cralor` | is there an event to make a player become NOT AFK? like if there AFK and they press a Button, is there something i can use to have them come back? |
| 01:59.43 | Cralor` | in other words, is there any way to access a slash command? |
| 02:00.02 | Cralor` | or is that protected only to the player? |
| 02:00.43 | Cralor` | anyone know? |
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| 02:01.46 | Codex| | im still having my acecomm stealing chat channel slot 1 problem |
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| 02:04.05 | Arrowmaster | Cralor`: SendChatMessage("", "AFK") i think |
| 02:04.20 | Cralor` | that acts as /afk? |
| 02:04.51 | Arrowmaster | all /afk does is send a chatmessage with type of "AFK" |
| 02:05.13 | Cralor` | i'm making an addon for my friend. (also helps me learn more). he has the option to keep talking even when AFK is on. so i want to make a dialog box that pops up when he is AFK. and a button to act as /afk. if not, just say so |
| 02:05.20 | Arrowmaster | Codex|: its the fault of whatever faulty addon you have thats using chat channels |
| 02:05.26 | Cralor` | ok i'll try that. thanks Arrowmaster |
| 02:05.43 | Codex| | dang |
| 02:05.52 | Codex| | how many addons use acecomm? |
| 02:06.25 | Arrowmaster | not many at all |
| 02:06.35 | Codex| | is there a script to see how many |
| 02:07.00 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 02:07.42 | Codex| | could it be having ace2 and ace3 libs on? |
| 02:09.19 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 02:11.29 | Cralor` | Arrowmaster: it worked. thanks a lot! |
| 02:14.00 | Cralor` | another question for yall. what's an easy way to have a frame be hidden upon load? would PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD be a feasable event to use? |
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| 02:18.44 | Arrowmaster | set it has hidden |
| 02:19.49 | Yssaril | Codex|: only Ace2 will create a chat channel and then only if needed Ace3 wisely removed that part :) |
| 02:20.18 | Codex| | so youre saying my ace3 lib isnt removing it? |
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| 02:21.26 | Yssaril | i am saying that Ace3 has nothing to do with your problem :) since it dosnt know anything about that channel :P only addons using AceComm-2.0 will be your problem |
| 02:21.32 | Codex| | oh |
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| 02:22.03 | Codex| | 17 of my mods still use acecomm 2 |
| 02:22.06 | Cralor` | Arrowmaster: ah that's actually rather easy. then i can just call it to show. ^_^ thank you |
| 02:22.07 | Codex| | sheesh |
| 02:22.09 | Codex| | binary search i guess |
| 02:22.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah but not many of those 17 should use channels |
| 02:22.38 | Arrowmaster | probably only 1 |
| 02:22.42 | Yssaril | Codex|: do any of these communicate in the global channel? |
| 02:22.55 | Lunessa | Oy -headdesk- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903742435&sid=1&pageNo=2 - I'm trying really hard not to post something nasty in that thread. |
| 02:22.57 | Yssaril | those would be the first once you should look at |
| 02:22.59 | Codex| | no |
| 02:23.04 | Codex| | none use general |
| 02:24.47 | Yssaril | if you can do a text search on those 17 addons check wich one has "GLOBAL" in its code :) |
| 02:25.26 | Codex| | its not global, its just chat channel slot one |
| 02:25.58 | Yssaril | what is the channel name? |
| 02:26.24 | Yssaril | "AceComm" i presume? |
| 02:26.56 | Codex| | yes |
| 02:27.34 | Yssaril | becaues if you set AceComm-2.0 so send something via a "GLOBAL" distribution it will join that channel this searching for GLOBAL will help :) |
| 02:27.59 | Yssaril | Codex|: check http://wowace.com/wiki/AceComm-2.0#API_Documentation for acecomm2 distributions |
| 02:28.33 | Codex| | k |
| 02:28.39 | Codex| | what am i looking for? |
| 02:29.25 | Yssaril | for an addon that is sending/listening to the "GLOBAL" distribution |
| 02:29.35 | Codex| | how bout the foldering "acecomm-2.0" in my addons foldeR? |
| 02:29.40 | kd3 | what the... |
| 02:29.51 | kd3 | they're taking the PTR down after 9-5 to apply a new build? |
| 02:29.58 | kd3 | qa must be working overtime |
| 02:30.35 | Yssaril | Codex|: that just takes care of the comm part it dosnt create the problem the addon using acecomm-2.0 is creating the problem by regestering to the "GLOBAL" channel to soon i belive |
| 02:30.51 | Cralor` | can anyone tell me what is wrong with this =) : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91064 |
| 02:30.54 | Codex| | what is the global distro? |
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| 02:32.09 | Yssaril | when you send an addon message using acecomm-2.0 you can select who recives it one person,party,guild,raid etc one of these is GLOBAL wich every addon that choses to can listen too |
| 02:33.26 | Yssaril | anyway do you have a list of addons that use acecomm2 that you can pastey? |
| 02:33.44 | Shirik | apparently the demons on Illidan can kill you while DIed |
| 02:33.45 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 02:33.46 | Codex| | yea |
| 02:33.50 | Codex| | ill paste in 20 sec |
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| 02:40.17 | Codex| | ok Yssaril |
| 02:40.19 | Codex| | still here? |
| 02:40.20 | Cralor` | do i need a function for this? : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91064 |
| 02:40.31 | Yssaril | Codex|: yep :) |
| 02:40.43 | Codex| | i took out all the mods that: use acecomm3, and are disabled, leaving the following mods in the following addons folder enabled |
| 02:40.52 | Codex| | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91126 |
| 02:41.02 | Codex| | or* are disabled |
| 02:41.20 | Codex| | oh, and GhostPulse |
| 02:41.37 | Codex| | (mod that shows icons, etc) |
| 02:41.42 | Codex| | forgot it on the list |
| 02:42.23 | Yssaril | i would guess its Dailies or DaylyQuestViewer |
| 02:42.34 | Codex| | let me try |
| 02:42.35 | kd3 | o_O; "Dell Colludes with RIAA, Disables Stereo Mix" |
| 02:42.40 | Codex| | ysaa: 20 sec |
| 02:43.57 | Codex| | disabling dailyquestviewer got rid of the acecomm channel |
| 02:44.05 | Codex| | should i bother with theDailies one too? |
| 02:44.24 | Yssaril | if the other one got rid of it thats your culprit |
| 02:44.32 | Codex| | so how do i fix it |
| 02:44.36 | Codex| | broken ace2-comm? |
| 02:44.40 | Codex| | or broken addon |
| 02:44.46 | Yssaril | broken addon |
| 02:44.50 | bleeter | kd3: heh, I can see some kinda class action happening there, eg digital DJs might kinda like that feature, as well as say radio journos and the like |
| 02:45.01 | Yssaril | well neither just addon not using acecomm correctly :P |
| 02:45.04 | bleeter | kd3: though it'd seem there's a relatively simple workaround for now, http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/dell_colludes_with_riaa_disables_stereo_mix_without_forewarning#comment-6071 |
| 02:45.30 | Codex| | Yssaril ill post on the authors forum i guess |
| 02:45.38 | bleeter | lol "This is like banning pencils because they can be used to copy a novel." |
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| 02:47.30 | Yssaril | Codex|: though it does look like it is doing everything right make sure you ahve the latest version of it |
| 02:47.42 | Codex| | why hasnt anyone else posted on the official dailyquestviewer post? |
| 02:47.46 | Codex| | yea its the latest off the svn |
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| 02:49.18 | Codex| | oh i see this |
| 02:49.18 | Codex| | -AceComm Delay: |
| 02:49.18 | Codex| | You can now set your own delay when joining AceComm (Default is 20 seconds and can be set upto 1 minute), so it doesn't inject itself into Channel 1 for those having slower load times. |
| 02:49.38 | Codex| | maybe i should increase my delay |
| 02:49.39 | Codex| | lulz |
| 02:50.15 | Codex| | oh shucks but that feature isnt up yet, waiting on new version |
| 02:50.42 | Yssaril | where do you see that? |
| 02:50.46 | Cralor` | is that the one that shows what dailies u have accepted or completed? |
| 02:50.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 02:50.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | WAR's looking similar to wow, but much less "alive" |
| 02:51.05 | Codex| | Yssaril on his official post |
| 02:51.07 | Cralor` | kind of like a FuBar interface? |
| 02:51.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://acm.uwec.edu/~jepperct/WAR/images/ |
| 02:51.25 | Codex| | yss:http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=9356.msg222729#msg222729 |
| 02:52.00 | Codex| | last update was one month ago, so i guess his new version is due any day |
| 02:52.08 | Codex| | "Just to note some of the new things I've added on my local copy, which you'll get when I'm ready for an update to SVN:" |
| 02:53.11 | Yssaril | hmm odd that he even has to set a delay |
| 02:53.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | some of these screenshots look a lot, lot like wow |
| 02:53.21 | MusicMan | where SavedVariables actually stored when using an addon? |
| 02:53.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://acm.uwec.edu/~jepperct/WAR/images/WarBetaLeak%20(17).jpg |
| 02:53.36 | Lunessa | Meh - Uncanny Valley if you ask me. |
| 02:53.39 | Codex| | Yssaril his explanation said it was injected to slot one on login |
| 02:53.48 | Codex| | and if it is taken, it chains across all the slots |
| 02:53.55 | Yssaril | you should suggest to him that he should just check that channel 1 already exists before joining |
| 02:54.05 | MusicMan | is there a file they're dumped into? or is it in wow somewhere? |
| 02:54.45 | Yssaril | MusicMan: in your WTF folder |
| 02:54.49 | Codex| | Yssaril posted that just now |
| 02:55.15 | MusicMan | ty Yssaril |
| 02:55.16 | Codex| | which file do i back up to remember all the positions of all the frames that get lost upon addon disabling |
| 02:55.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | though this looks pretty badass |
| 02:55.23 | Codex| | layout cache? or is it a different file? |
| 02:55.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | makes me wanna play chaos but man the hud is huge |
| 02:55.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://acm.uwec.edu/~jepperct/WAR/images/WarBetaLeak%20(5).jpg |
| 02:55.43 | Yssaril | np MusicMan |
| 02:55.51 | Yssaril | Codex|: no idea |
| 02:55.56 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Mr_Rabies2 |
| 02:55.56 | purl | beats Mr_Rabies2 into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 02:56.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | sup :o |
| 02:56.14 | Thunder_Child | so rewrite it |
| 02:56.31 | Codex| | yea its layout cache |
| 02:56.50 | Lunessa | Mr_Rabies: It looks like pretty much every other MMO interface since oh, mmmm... 5 years ago. |
| 02:57.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | pretty much everything after wow |
| 02:57.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's HUGE |
| 02:57.08 | Codex| | Lunessa dont fix what aint broke |
| 02:57.35 | Cralor` | anyone kindly explain what is wrong here :D? :: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91064 |
| 02:58.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like guild wars and wow had a drunken one night stand |
| 02:58.35 | Lunessa | I have a problem with the "hyper-real" models so many games are trying to use. They look real enough to be disturbingly WRONG and it makes the game visually un-appealing. AoC, EQ II, and now Warhammer make me think game companies don't get it. |
| 02:59.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | warhammer's looking a bit cartoony from what these screens show |
| 02:59.26 | Shirik | [#] Flame of Azzinoth's melee swing hits Kimina for 67215 Fire. |
| 02:59.30 | Shirik | :< |
| 02:59.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | still it goes from looking as good as that one chaos guy there to looking like this |
| 02:59.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://r-o-c-k.us/warhammer/screens/06-11-08%20Random/Fire.bmp |
| 03:00.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | oop |
| 03:00.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet that's password protected hang on |
| 03:00.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://acm.uwec.edu/~jepperct/WAR/images/WarBetaLeak%20(4).jpg |
| 03:00.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | ew |
| 03:00.43 | Yssaril | Cralor`: if that is all you have in the file then it will run on loadup and then never again you will have to fire that everytime want to execute it which will probably be everytime "PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED" fires |
| 03:01.05 | Yssaril | check http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_(Full_List) for events :) |
| 03:01.07 | Cralor` | Yssaril: no that is jsut the chunk not working right. hang on one sec |
| 03:01.12 | Codex| | they announced a harry potter MMO |
| 03:01.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | and there's times when you could tell me they just took art files from wow and i'd believe you |
| 03:01.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://acm.uwec.edu/~jepperct/WAR/images/WarBetaLeak%20(32).jpg |
| 03:01.46 | Cralor` | this is my addon: |
| 03:02.11 | Yssaril | Mr_Rabies: what are the sys reqs for WAR? |
| 03:02.15 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91127 |
| 03:02.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | no clue |
| 03:02.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure astronomically high |
| 03:02.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd have preferred a wh40k mmo :( |
| 03:03.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow |
| 03:03.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://acm.uwec.edu/~jepperct/WAR/images/WarBetaLeak%20(59).jpg |
| 03:03.09 | Yssaril | Cralor`: if that is it then its the same as before it will execute once and thats it |
| 03:03.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | this basically looks like terokkar forest |
| 03:03.28 | Thunder_Child | Yssaril, they have not posed them yet |
| 03:03.28 | Cralor` | ah. so i need to set up an event? |
| 03:03.46 | Yssaril | Cralor`: yup |
| 03:04.06 | Cralor` | Yssaril: i'll take a look at the list, thanks |
| 03:05.23 | Yssaril | Thunder_Child: k |
| 03:06.49 | Cralor` | Yssaril: so PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED is a good event to use? |
| 03:07.18 | Yssaril | it fires everytime you go AFK or DND or come out of them |
| 03:07.50 | Cralor` | yea i see that ^_^ i'll try it out |
| 03:09.26 | kd3 | all hail technology |
| 03:10.08 | Yssaril | Cralor`: checkout http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API)#Using_Lua_only for registering and using events |
| 03:12.17 | Cralor` | would this work? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91128 |
| 03:13.00 | Yssaril | nope read thru http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API)#Using_Lua_only its a bit more complicated :) |
| 03:13.12 | Cralor` | hehe ok |
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| 03:13.25 | Cralor` | but did i have the event right? |
| 03:13.39 | Cralor` | oh wait i missed something |
| 03:14.47 | Cralor` | ok well thanks |
| 03:15.15 | Cralor` | see you guys later. thanks for the help Yssaril and Arrowmaster |
| 03:15.28 | Yssaril | Cralor`: np and good luck |
| 03:19.49 | kd3 | new ptr build out. let's see if there are any diffs |
| 03:20.28 | Thunder_Child | Yssaril, http://betaleaks.com/forums/showpost.php?p=29291&postcount=8 |
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| 03:21.55 | Yssaril | sweet |
| 03:22.00 | Hjalte | The two latest PTR build hasn't updated the PTR patch notes, right? |
| 03:22.36 | kd3 | nope |
| 03:22.41 | kd3 | no UI changes this build either |
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| 03:37.56 | Shirik | hm, just had to restart my vent server because of lag |
| 03:38.01 | Shirik | so I looked at the log and saw this |
| 03:38.05 | Shirik | 20080710 22:32:18 END: Shutdown complete. Uptime was 119 20:32:00. |
| 03:38.09 | Shirik | It was up for 4 months straight o.o |
| 03:38.25 | Yssaril | nice |
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| 03:41.03 | Diskmaster | Nice |
| 03:41.19 | farmbuyer | Are the "developer guilds" still active on the Draka realm? Register for Save, Load on Demand, etc? |
| 03:43.58 | farmbuyer | I keep seeing references to them, but the armory site doesn't show them existing. Suspect the references may just be very very old. |
| 03:52.50 | Codex| | imagine how many raids would be cancelled due to interface debugging |
| 03:53.10 | Codex| | wait dont pull-- need to catct that event |
| 03:53.14 | Codex| | catch* |
| 03:53.17 | bleeter | oO purl_'s an imposter!! |
| 03:53.29 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:55.05 | breser | purl, go on strike for me would ya? |
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| 04:29.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wow |
| 04:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I managed to fire a macro half way |
| 04:30.27 | Kirkburn|afk | xkcd is always on the mark ... http://xkcd.com/448/ |
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| 04:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Guildie 1: "Any progress in BT tonight guys?" |
| 04:53.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Me: "Lots. If you were RoS. Farming guild members." |
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| 04:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Guildie 2: "We're going to go back and he's going to be level 75. :/" |
| 04:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | s/75/74/ |
| 04:54.07 | |Jelly| | Iriel; Shirik;Cairenn: Ping? |
| 04:54.12 | |Jelly| | OR cogwheel? |
| 04:54.13 | Shirik | ohyaou |
| 04:54.18 | Iriel | Yes? |
| 04:54.21 | Shirik | s/ya/ay/ |
| 04:54.25 | Cairenn | |Jelly|: pong? |
| 04:54.29 | |Jelly| | Any idea why I would get an email saying ... |
| 04:54.35 | |Jelly| | "An investigation of your World of Warcraft account has found strong evidence that your account is being sold, traded, or is being used to sell in-game currency. As you may or may not be aware, this conflicts with our EULA under section 4 Paragraph B which can be found here:" |
| 04:54.41 | cogwheel | scamp |
| 04:54.44 | cogwheel | s/p// |
| 04:54.45 | ScytheBlade1 | fake |
| 04:54.45 | |Jelly| | ...considering, I don't/haven't done any of that? lol |
| 04:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It has you go to a URL |
| 04:54.53 | |Jelly| | fromnoreply@blizzard.com |
| 04:54.55 | Cairenn | |Jelly|: why would you ask us? |
| 04:54.56 | cogwheel | blizzard bans and says you have banned |
| 04:55.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Check the URL |
| 04:55.03 | Shirik | |Jelly|: Does it have you go to a link? |
| 04:55.05 | cogwheel | s/have/have been/ |
| 04:55.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It makes you go to a "bad" link |
| 04:55.20 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:55.21 | |Jelly| | Cairenn: Because you guys are the most knowledgeable people I know. |
| 04:55.25 | Cairenn | ah |
| 04:55.35 | Shirik | email headers can be easily spoofed |
| 04:55.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Which asks for your name, address, phone, CD key, secret Q&A, account, password, the works |
| 04:55.44 | ScytheBlade1 | .... ALL of which blizzard already has |
| 04:55.49 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: theer's as ticky on the CS forum with all the fake e-mails going around |
| 04:55.55 | Shirik | to the point that my email now actually says "From <email address> <ip> [May be spoofed]" |
| 04:56.11 | |Jelly| | Links: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html ; http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html ; http://worldofwarcraft.comphost.info/ |
| 04:56.17 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:56.19 | Shirik | the third one.... |
| 04:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | wow.comphost.info? hahaha |
| 04:56.27 | |Jelly| | Interesting... |
| 04:56.27 | Cairenn | yeah .... |
| 04:56.32 | Cairenn | hi, fake |
| 04:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | OHH |
| 04:56.35 | |Jelly| | And for the record, no, I didn't click on it. :P |
| 04:56.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ANOTHER SITE TO REPORT AND SCAN |
| 04:56.40 | |Jelly| | So where do I forward this? |
| 04:56.45 | Cairenn | hacks@ |
| 04:56.48 | ScytheBlade1 | hacks@blizzard.com |
| 04:56.49 | |Jelly| | hacks@blizzard.com? |
| 04:56.55 | Cairenn | yep |
| 04:57.11 | Cairenn | forward the full email, complete with the headers |
| 04:57.16 | |Jelly| | See? That's why I ask you guys ... cause you'll force me to actually, you know, /look/ at links and shit. |
| 04:57.20 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:58.03 | |Jelly| | The part that alarmed me, honestly, was it was sent to my curse email address. One that I've never givven Blizzard. |
| 04:58.17 | Cairenn | major clue right there |
| 04:58.59 | Cairenn | you're going after all Shirik? cool! |
| 04:59.00 | Shirik | since cladhaire forced him to come up this weekend |
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| 04:59.14 | Shirik | :P |
| 05:00.16 | Cairenn | did he sucker you into presenting, too? |
| 05:01.06 | Shirik | haha, no |
| 05:01.33 | Cairenn | not for lack of trying :p |
| 05:01.40 | Kirkburn|afk | What's all this aboot? |
| 05:01.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Someone coming to the UK? |
| 05:01.48 | Shirik | I don't exactly have anything to talk about anyway :) |
| 05:02.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, there's the proper people notified |
| 05:02.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to poke |
| 05:02.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Bristol > Oxford btw |
| 05:02.47 | Shirik | Kirkburn|afk: Lua workshop |
| 05:02.55 | Shirik | Since I live practically right next to where it is |
| 05:03.02 | cogwheel | oxford's fine l2p |
| 05:03.02 | Fisker- | Shirik it's you btw |
| 05:03.03 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|afk: actually, daughter just got back from the UK this afternoon :) |
| 05:03.19 | Kirkburn|afk | ooh, where'd she visit? |
| 05:03.33 | Kirkburn|afk | cogwheel, liez |
| 05:04.07 | Cairenn | she was at the dig in South Shields for 2 weeks, then spent most of another week in Edinburg, took a day tour up to Inverness and Loch Ness |
| 05:04.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Scotland? That hardly counts ;) |
| 05:04.24 | Shirik | oh wow, damn |
| 05:04.38 | Shirik | My dad sent me flight details, and his email got rated higher on the spam system than most spam mails I get |
| 05:04.38 | Kirkburn|afk | hehehe |
| 05:05.05 | Cairenn | kirk baby, I'm a Scot :p |
| 05:05.09 | breser | It makes me sad this guy made these awesome WoW cursors and then put made them all .ani and .cur instead of .blps. http://yingjunjiu.deviantart.com/art/World-of-WarCraft-cur-18871212 |
| 05:05.10 | Kirkburn|afk | I've barely stepped across the border to Scotland, so really, I'm just jealous :P |
| 05:05.11 | Shirik | lol, 280 points for |
| 05:05.12 | Shirik | 280 (10 x 28)For Each Instance<imgBase |
| 05:05.22 | Shirik | apparently putting images in emails = spam? |
| 05:05.40 | Codayus | Sounds right. |
| 05:06.01 | Shirik | 50 points for using the string /en/ |
| 05:06.03 | Shirik | wtf is that? |
| 05:06.59 | breser | Tempted ot get permission from the guy to convert them all to BLPs and make a real icon set that out of them for WoW. |
| 05:08.48 | ScytheBlade1 | |Jelly|: could you by chance forward a copy of that e-mail to me? |
| 05:09.17 | |Jelly| | Sure. PM me your email |
| 05:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
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| 05:10.38 | |Jelly| | sent |
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| 05:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
| 05:10.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 05:11.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, could you forward me the COMPLETE e-mail? I should have mentioned this before heh |
| 05:11.20 | ScytheBlade1 | There should be a gmail option to "view headers" |
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| 05:11.40 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: Veiw original message |
| 05:11.43 | cogwheel | or something like that |
| 05:11.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That's it |
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| 05:12.13 | |Jelly| | try nao |
| 05:12.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 05:12.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That got more but not the headers |
| 05:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Sec as I l ogin |
| 05:12.38 | ScytheBlade1 | *login |
| 05:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | There we are |
| 05:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Click the arrow in the top-right of the mail |
| 05:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | "Show original" |
| 05:13.50 | |Jelly| | c/p that into an email to you? |
| 05:14.12 | ScytheBlade1 | If you wouldn't mind |
| 05:14.20 | ScytheBlade1 | It has all sorts of awesome information within it |
| 05:14.56 | |Jelly| | kk. sent |
| 05:15.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, that's it |
| 05:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks muchly |
| 05:15.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:15.33 | |Jelly| | No problem. :) |
| 05:15.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Received: from unknown xxxxx.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net |
| 05:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | SOMETHING TELLS ME YOUR SERVER ISN'T THAT SECURE |
| 05:16.07 | bleeter | anyone see anything blindingly obviously wrong with this little shell routine to pull names of embedded libs into a sorted uniq list? |
| 05:16.18 | bleeter | for f in `find . -maxdepth 2 -name *.toc`; do grep -i x\-embeds $f|cut -d: -f2;done|sed s/\,/\\n/g| sed 's/^[ \t]*//g'|sort|uniq -i |
| 05:16.59 | cog|sleep | NN |
| 05:17.03 | bleeter | indeed, gnight cog|sleep rest well mate |
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| 06:23.16 | ScytheBlade1 | .myrealm Doomhammer US |
| 06:23.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 06:23.40 | ScytheBlade1 | !myrealm Doomhammer US |
| 06:23.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Old docs indeed :/ |
| 06:23.57 | ScytheBlade1 | !myrealm US Doomhammer |
| 06:24.13 | ScytheBlade1 | .myrealm US Doomhammer |
| 06:24.20 | digmouse | !myrealm CN Magtheridon |
| 06:24.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, responding in whispers, heh |
| 06:24.26 | digmouse | oops |
| 06:24.33 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to use . |
| 06:24.36 | digmouse | . or ! ? |
| 06:24.37 | digmouse | k |
| 06:24.41 | ScytheBlade1 | .char Sbo |
| 06:24.41 | MrUseful | Error: Character not found |
| 06:24.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Lies |
| 06:24.45 | digmouse | .myrealm CN Magtheridon |
| 06:24.53 | ScytheBlade1 | .char US Doomhammer Sbo |
| 06:24.53 | MrUseful | Error: No valid realm |
| 06:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 06:24.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh well |
| 06:25.10 | digmouse | MrUseful dont have any spy in china :( |
| 06:25.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:25.57 | digmouse | .myrealm EU Silvermoon |
| 06:26.17 | digmouse | k use EU first, wait for him to hire some chinese spies |
| 06:27.45 | digmouse | .char Elsanis |
| 06:27.45 | MrUseful | Error: Character not found |
| 06:27.52 | digmouse | O.o |
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| 06:32.11 | MusicMan | is all data that you store in the WTF folder random numbers separated by colons and semi-colons, or is it just auctioneer? is there any way to parse the data? |
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| 06:33.51 | cncfanatics | hello all |
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| 06:57.57 | Zurik | anyone any good with mySQL and Stored Procedure Functions? |
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| 07:10.46 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, win. |Jelly|'s phishing site is now labeled as such in firefox. |
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| 07:11.20 | cncfanatics | |Jelly| has a phishing site ? :o |
| 07:11.41 | ScytheBlade1 | He got a phishing email |
| 07:11.56 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ bad site |
| 07:12.45 | ScytheBlade1 | But, if you open it in firefox, it yells at you. |
| 07:12.47 | cncfanatics | why did he even bother with that ? |
| 07:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm? |
| 07:13.10 | cncfanatics | noone falls into those tricks these days |
| 07:13.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 07:13.24 | ScytheBlade1 | You'd think |
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| 07:23.56 | Roblibob | is it safe to proceed on that phishing site in firefox? |
| 07:24.01 | Roblibob | i got curious :p |
| 07:24.37 | cncfanatics | Roblibob: don't enter any real password there |
| 07:24.48 | Roblibob | of course not :) |
| 07:25.02 | Roblibob | ah |
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| 08:01.07 | Zurik | MP: you around? |
| 08:01.25 | Zurik | anyone in here know anything about mySQL? |
| 08:01.40 | Zurik | i know it's not really the IRC for it..but .. i could use a hand. |
| 08:02.27 | cnc|work | Zurik: I used to do some mysql |
| 08:02.32 | cnc|work | mostly basic stuff though |
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| 08:03.26 | Zurik | know how to create stored procs? |
| 08:03.31 | cnc|work | nop :p |
| 08:03.35 | Zurik | darn :) |
| 08:04.00 | Fisker- | CREATE PROCEDURE |
| 08:04.00 | Fisker- | usuall |
| 08:04.04 | Fisker- | usually* |
| 08:04.14 | Fisker- | atleast that's the syntax for MSSQL |
| 08:04.22 | Fisker- | MySQL didn't have procedured back in the days i believe |
| 08:04.26 | cnc|work | omg, Fisker- programs ? |
| 08:04.29 | Fisker- | procedures* |
| 08:04.31 | cnc|work | OMG |
| 08:06.52 | Zurik | ok.. Fisker: take a look at this pastey. http://pastey.net/91137 |
| 08:07.00 | Zurik | this one has baffled me for hours. |
| 08:07.16 | Zurik | why in the heck is it not looping though my records? |
| 08:08.32 | Fisker- | Never done anything but SQL statements in procedures, sorry :) |
| 08:08.56 | Zurik | np.. it was a shot in the dark. |
| 08:09.15 | Zurik | i'm over in the #mysql channel .. and it's like a graveyard. |
| 08:09.22 | Zurik | d. e. a. d. |
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| 09:06.10 | Fisker- | http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100000182 <-ZOMG STOCK |
| 09:06.17 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't care about EU people :( |
| 09:06.39 | Thunder_Child | good |
| 09:06.52 | Fisker- | blargh i'm ded? |
| 09:11.30 | Thunder_Child | if only |
| 09:11.44 | Corrodias | Fisker-: was that a parody of that guy talking about george bush? |
| 09:12.31 | Fisker- | of course |
| 09:12.35 | Fisker- | Kanye West :P |
| 09:12.46 | Corrodias | who is famous for absolutely nothing else as far as i'm aware |
| 09:13.51 | cnc|work | also some mediocre rapper I think ? |
| 09:14.46 | Fisker- | well he shitted up that daft punk song |
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| 09:15.29 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, agreed |
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| 09:21.11 | Thunder_Child | http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0807/mcnaught3_kemppainen.jpg |
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| 11:54.07 | wereHamster | I <3 iPhone |
| 11:54.31 | cnc|work | I </3 iPhone |
| 11:54.32 | cnc|work | too expensive :p |
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| 11:57.52 | Kalroth | it's a fucking phone, why pay so much for a device that you can get for $50 |
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| 12:30.20 | Kaso | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1031861/Big-Brother-The-Google-cars-photograph-EVERY-door-Britain.html |
| 12:30.34 | Kaso | Google: BE AFRAID!!! |
| 12:31.22 | Kaso | Oh the daily mail, what wont you hyperbole! |
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| 13:14.23 | malreth | is it Friday yet? |
| 13:14.48 | malreth | it's Jesus Phone day, isn't it... |
| 13:16.33 | Osxy | yep |
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| 13:39.08 | Shirik | Jesus Phone day? |
| 13:39.24 | Lopeppeppy | So the geeks were saying at dinner last night. |
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| 13:41.21 | cnc|work | they were saying you were geek too Lopeppeppy ? |
| 13:42.04 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. I do not have an iphone. I have a crackberry, I was inferior and not allowed to join the discussion. I just smiled pretty. *rolls eyes* |
| 13:42.22 | Lopeppeppy | And talked about medical stuff with the girl sitting across from me. Much more interesting. |
| 13:43.00 | cnc|work | hmmm, what do you do as work again ? |
| 13:43.22 | Lopeppeppy | Web development/web design. |
| 13:44.05 | Lopeppeppy | If an iphone can inpsire that much worship from two men at a table full of women, then all I can do is be faintly jealous and accessorize my next outfit with LED's or something. |
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| 13:45.28 | malreth | Lopeppeppy... Are those new LEDs on your earrings? Very nice! |
| 13:46.02 | Lopeppeppy | exactly, malreth. Maybe I should get some for tonight, see if I attract anything other than fireflies.... :) |
| 13:46.40 | malreth | I got the Captured Firefly minipet on my 58th pull when farming in Zangarmarsh |
| 13:46.58 | Lopeppeppy | .... hate, hate, hate. :) |
| 13:47.22 | malreth | i made up for it last night by killing over 300 elementals when farming primal fire |
| 13:48.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ick. |
| 13:48.19 | Lopeppeppy | I need primal water, not a warlock in sight. |
| 13:48.31 | malreth | fish for it. |
| 13:48.55 | malreth | i'm a frosty mage so that's what i do |
| 13:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I need to level that skill anyway. |
| 13:49.26 | cnc|work | l2rogue |
| 13:49.38 | malreth | either that, or i farm more fire primals, sell those on the AH, and buy primal water |
| 13:50.53 | Lopeppeppy | I have a rogue, cnc|work.... just hard to get underwater with her. |
| 13:52.37 | cnc|work | don't got those nagrand quest items anymore ? |
| 13:52.42 | cnc|work | that give waterbreathing |
| 13:52.46 | cnc|work | you get like 20 of them |
| 13:53.06 | Shirik | omg another great idea |
| 13:53.16 | Shirik | ok, need to make an OLED bumper sticker, LED earrings |
| 13:55.15 | Lopeppeppy | cnc|work, I used those up on both characters long ago, farming water. Healydin needs tons of enchants with it. |
| 13:55.35 | cnc|work | they're damn handy :) |
| 13:55.35 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I'm not putting a bumper sticker on my bum to attract mates, sorry! LED earrings I would totally do. |
| 13:55.41 | Shirik | >< |
| 13:55.51 | Shirik | It was for a car! |
| 13:56.02 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, my car! *tease* |
| 13:56.10 | Shirik | oh! |
| 13:56.30 | Shirik | They say fireflies know their mate because they flash at exactly the same rate, and no others do |
| 13:56.40 | Shirik | We could make one male, one female version |
| 13:56.48 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm.... so I need two sets of LED earrings! *happy dance* |
| 13:56.52 | Shirik | and then everyone could go out looking to find the one person they match |
| 13:56.58 | Lopeppeppy | Then someone to wear 'em, but that's my own problem. |
| 13:57.23 | cnc|work | lol |
| 13:57.27 | cnc|work | <3 you both |
| 13:57.44 | Lopeppeppy | Leave it to Shirik and I to be geeking at the laws of attraction. :) |
| 13:57.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 13:58.17 | cnc|work | laws ? |
| 13:58.20 | cnc|work | there are actualy laws for that ? :op |
| 13:58.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yes dear. Like the laws of physics, and just as hard for the average person to understand |
| 13:59.13 | cnc|work | harder :) |
| 13:59.50 | Lopeppeppy | Really? *wink* |
| 13:59.57 | Lopeppeppy | I'm awful this morning, need less sugar. |
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| 14:00.11 | amro | they're actually mutually exclusive. you learn one set of laws or the other :) |
| 14:00.34 | cnc|work | I went for the physics ones |
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| 14:01.00 | Shirik | amro: Well if you're lucky enough you could be using a recursive mutex |
| 14:01.13 | Shirik | then you can learn both if you get them before everyone else |
| 14:01.48 | Lopeppeppy | I only know enough laws of physics to get myself into trouble. :) |
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| 14:02.39 | Shirik | a=mg: Throw penny off empire state building, penny go boom |
| 14:03.02 | Shirik | wait, that's not right |
| 14:03.06 | Shirik | a=g |
| 14:03.11 | Lopeppeppy | Throw watermelon down 10 stories of stairwell = explosive mess upward and outward, much fun. |
| 14:03.11 | cnc|work | its m * g |
| 14:03.15 | Shirik | F=mg |
| 14:03.18 | cnc|work | idd |
| 14:03.24 | Lopeppeppy | Throw room mate down same stairwell = jail. That's my physics. |
| 14:03.42 | cnc|work | throw Lopeppeppy down the staircase on the room mate = ? |
| 14:03.49 | Shirik | o.o |
| 14:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have a room mate at the present time, cnc|work, so I'd go splikt myself. |
| 14:04.39 | Shirik | splikt |
| 14:04.52 | Lopeppeppy | Splikt. |
| 14:05.24 | durcyn | that's unfortunate, you should always have someone to splikt you so you don't have to do it yourself. |
| 14:05.29 | cnc|work | booo, a phonecall :'( |
| 14:06.01 | Lopeppeppy | durcyn, that's why I put Shirik's bumper sticker on my butt, so someone can identify the remains. |
| 14:06.16 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:06.25 | cnc|work | yay, phonecall done |
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| 14:09.10 | malreth | http://bleeplabs.com/thingamakit/ |
| 14:10.06 | cnc|work | thats something for Lopeppeppy |
| 14:10.07 | Kraps | has anyone ever read Flights: Extreme Visions of Fantasy? |
| 14:10.09 | Lopeppeppy | "Two ready to blink LEDacles." |
| 14:10.25 | cnc|work | yea Lopeppeppy, I thought of you when I read that :p |
| 14:10.49 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, how sweet! |
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| 14:11.06 | malreth | http://bleeplabs.com/av/ |
| 14:11.27 | cnc|work | oooh |
| 14:11.38 | cnc|work | a whole page full of stuff for Lopeppeppy |
| 14:11.42 | malreth | the second video is cool |
| 14:12.07 | Lopeppeppy | Baby Daleks. http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-mike/2394677062/ |
| 14:12.10 | malreth | full disclosure, i'm friends with the guys and gal that make these |
| 14:12.20 | Lopeppeppy | They're adorable. |
| 14:12.40 | malreth | well, i'm related to the gal that makes 'em |
| 14:13.11 | malreth | john mike is a long-time friend and one of my groomsmen |
| 14:13.21 | durcyn | yeah, well, i have no idea who they are, what do i win? |
| 14:13.31 | Lopeppeppy | Raisins |
| 14:13.40 | malreth | they're dusty raisins, tho |
| 14:13.46 | malreth | from under my couch cushions |
| 14:13.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Mind those raisins |
| 14:17.35 | malreth | they make those thingamagoops here in austin |
| 14:17.53 | malreth | and they sell like crazy internationally |
| 14:18.12 | malreth | with the dollar being so weak, and all |
| 14:18.18 | Lopeppeppy | They're kind of adorable, honestly |
| 14:18.26 | durcyn | oh, you're in austin? i'm going to throw a rock out my window, let me know if it hits you. |
| 14:18.32 | malreth | buy two. they play well together |
| 14:18.48 | malreth | durcyn: i'm on the UT campus right now.. |
| 14:19.01 | durcyn | oh, don't imagine i can throw it quite that far. |
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| 14:21.21 | malreth | "Why did you make this thing?" "Because there are not nearly enough beeping, zapping, bixxerfouping, anthropomorphic synthesizer monsters in the world." |
| 14:23.04 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 14:23.58 | AckisWork | meow |
| 14:24.44 | AckisWork | white gold earrings, in the shape of a heart, with a bunch of little diamonds around the sides = good present for gf? |
| 14:25.13 | Lopeppeppy | Does she wear earrings normally? |
| 14:25.19 | AckisWork | yes |
| 14:25.33 | Lopeppeppy | Are these larger, smaller, or the same size as what she normally wears? |
| 14:25.37 | malreth | does she hate hearts? |
| 14:26.08 | AckisWork | they're slightly larger than what she normally wears.. she has about 4 pairs only and they're stud types |
| 14:26.58 | Lopeppeppy | Does she like white gold? |
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| 14:27.14 | AckisWork | yes, she's allergic to gold gold |
| 14:27.23 | cnc|work | gold gold ? |
| 14:27.25 | cnc|work | where ??? |
| 14:27.27 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. Does she like hearts is the last question. |
| 14:27.52 | AckisWork | that I wouldn't know lol she hasn't said anything negative about hearts, and she types <3 to me all the time |
| 14:28.05 | amro | get one with a lesser than and a 3 |
| 14:28.10 | ZealotOnAStick | White gold? Sterling Silver? |
| 14:28.10 | durcyn | get her earrings in the shape of the characters <3 |
| 14:28.12 | durcyn | yeah. |
| 14:28.14 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. Then here is my Patented Peppy Prediction. |
| 14:28.27 | cnc|work | behold peppy's prediction ! |
| 14:28.34 | cnc|work | PPP's ftw :p |
| 14:28.53 | malreth | white gold? spring for platinum, man |
| 14:28.56 | Lopeppeppy | She will like them, if she appreciates fine jewelery. Since she doesn't own a lot of earrings, she'll likely wear these new ones for a week or so solid, and then reserve them for special dress up occasions. If she puts them right into her ears you know you've Done Good. |
| 14:29.27 | amro | I think I'll stick to the laws of physics |
| 14:29.27 | AckisWork | ohh performance indicator of "wearing them right away" |
| 14:29.45 | Lopeppeppy | I do like performance indicators, they help me immensely. |
| 14:29.48 | malreth | also, if she gives you head, you probably made a good choice |
| 14:29.54 | Lopeppeppy | Do not put the jewelry box into the microwave. |
| 14:29.58 | Lopeppeppy | And beat malreth soundly. |
| 14:30.05 | AckisWork | lol |
| 14:30.05 | Lopeppeppy | ~lart malreth |
| 14:30.05 | purl | drops a baby grand on malreth |
| 14:30.15 | AckisWork | I also bought her 3 other pairs of cheaper earrings that are cute |
| 14:30.31 | AckisWork | just because I know she doesn't have many, and earrings was something she mentioned specifically to me |
| 14:30.39 | Lopeppeppy | So 3 of her four pairs are already from you? |
| 14:30.57 | Lopeppeppy | IMO, next gift has to be something different, dear. Repetition is not always good. |
| 14:30.57 | cnc|work | I think he bought 3 more pairs |
| 14:30.58 | AckisWork | no, it'll double her collection heh |
| 14:31.55 | AckisWork | butterflies, puppy dogs and something else :P haha |
| 14:32.33 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, pick a new gift type for next round, but this round sounds lovely |
| 14:33.02 | cnc|work | hmmm, I shld start thinking of getting a new girlfriend -.- |
| 14:33.09 | AckisWork | yay (asked in this chan because I know there are more females here than other chans I frequent :P) |
| 14:33.20 | AckisWork | cnc|work: meet Lopeppeppy? |
| 14:33.23 | Lopeppeppy | All 3 or four of us. *grin* |
| 14:33.35 | AckisWork | lol |
| 14:33.39 | amro | 4/138. quite a high ratio |
| 14:33.50 | AckisWork | I didn't think there were 4... lol |
| 14:33.57 | Lopeppeppy | Well, I'm happy to be the token awake one of us. |
| 14:34.19 | Lopeppeppy | Pez, Peppy, Cairenn, Seerah and.... someone else. |
| 14:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | AckisWork, I don't advise that unless you have hands to spare. |
| 14:34.39 | AckisWork | heh |
| 14:34.50 | AckisWork | i'm a troll, I regenerate? |
| 14:35.50 | cnc|work | AckisWork: nah |
| 14:36.03 | cnc|work | regenerate doesn't do shit :p |
| 14:36.26 | AckisWork | it works on essence hah |
| 14:36.48 | amro | I'm sure regenerating a hand will be lots of fun |
| 14:37.10 | cnc|work | I'm done with work (FINALY) |
| 14:37.11 | cnc|work | back later |
| 14:37.15 | AckisWork | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:39.23 | AckisWork | you know, there were 5 raiding females in my guild, better than the 4/138 ratio here |
| 14:39.36 | malreth | Jesus Phone sales procedure states that the employee is to remove the phone from the box and hand it immediately to the customer for them to fondle first. Only then do they ask to have it back so that it can be activated |
| 14:39.51 | AckisWork | DARKGuy: http://ackis.myminicity.com/sec :D hehe |
| 14:40.21 | DARKGuy | AckisWork: raiding females ftw. |
| 14:41.03 | AckisWork | when I first joined the guild I facepalmed... drama, and that females are considered "bad" players usually... I was really surprised |
| 14:41.17 | Shirik | AckisWork: That sounds about the same as my school |
| 14:41.56 | AckisWork | IT/Engineering stuff? |
| 14:42.07 | amro | that sounds about the same as my neighborhood |
| 14:42.15 | DARKGuy | Nah, some women are really smart, but yeah, same here. |
| 14:42.17 | Shirik | engineering, yeah :P |
| 14:43.13 | AckisWork | yah those are usually sausage fests |
| 14:45.44 | AckisWork | taking notes? :P |
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| 14:46.34 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, something like that. Evaluating your collective IQ's as the convo progresses. :) |
| 14:47.04 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 14:47.39 | amro | that could be a good thing Shirik. like antimatter |
| 14:47.47 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, you're still good, Shirik. You have displayed many redeeming qualities. |
| 14:47.51 | AckisWork | good thing I haven't been exposed to Lopeppeppy too much :P |
| 14:47.57 | malreth | "What do you call a person that you hang out with but don't have sex with?" |
| 14:48.01 | malreth | "A guy?" |
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| 14:48.42 | Lopeppeppy | A eunuch? |
| 14:48.49 | Lopeppeppy | Or Peppy! |
| 14:49.12 | DARKGuy | lol malreth |
| 14:49.14 | DARKGuy | it's called an alt. |
| 14:49.23 | amro | you have sex with your main? |
| 14:49.30 | Shirik | FYI: http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100000182 |
| 14:49.36 | DARKGuy | if she ever logs on =p |
| 14:49.36 | Fisker- | old Shirik |
| 14:49.37 | Fisker- | :( |
| 14:49.39 | foxlit | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Image:Historian.jpg |
| 14:49.40 | Shirik | wtf |
| 14:49.45 | Shirik | WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME THEN |
| 14:49.45 | foxlit | needs more fable-esque stats |
| 14:49.49 | Fisker- | i did Shirik |
| 14:49.57 | Fisker- | [11:05:57] <Fisker-> http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100000182 <-ZOMG STOCK |
| 14:49.57 | Fisker- | [11:06:03] <Fisker-> Blizzard doesn't care about EU people :( |
| 14:49.59 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 14:50.41 | Shirik | oh |
| 14:50.42 | Shirik | ty |
| 14:51.30 | AckisWork | anyone know when/if they'll restock http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000117 ? |
| 14:51.45 | Fisker- | they're in stock now |
| 14:51.59 | Fisker- | oh |
| 14:52.01 | Fisker- | the dvd's |
| 14:52.03 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 14:52.05 | AckisWork | ~lart Fisker- |
| 14:52.05 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Fisker- |
| 14:52.11 | AckisWork | hah 42 |
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| 14:54.17 | Shirik | yey |
| 14:54.20 | Shirik | Order Status: |
| 14:54.20 | Shirik | PendingYour order is being processed. |
| 14:54.34 | Shirik | easiest $7 I ever spent |
| 14:54.46 | Lopeppeppy | I should really do that too. |
| 14:54.53 | Fisker- | i love you irl Shirik |
| 14:54.56 | AckisWork | Shirik: how long does it take for shipping? |
| 14:55.05 | Shirik | I don't care, I'll be gone until wednesday anyway :P |
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| 14:55.18 | Shirik | they only support ground shipping though |
| 14:55.20 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:55.22 | AckisWork | well is it 4-6 weeks? :P or 2-5 days? |
| 14:55.28 | AckisWork | eh? |
| 14:55.33 | Shirik | eh, you won't be able to get it then :/ |
| 14:55.35 | Fisker- | apparently up to a couple of weeks |
| 14:55.42 | Fisker- | crazy us cryptography laws |
| 14:55.47 | Shirik | yey for cryptography export laws |
| 14:55.55 | Shirik | they're working on that though |
| 14:56.00 | AckisWork | you can export crypto to Canada I thought? |
| 14:56.07 | Shirik | you can, with the right paperwork |
| 14:56.28 | AckisWork | I'm not going to get one, it would limit by account too much, was thinking of other products on the stie |
| 14:56.29 | Shirik | Blizzard's still working on that :) |
| 14:56.29 | foxlit | Considering it's encapsualted |
| 14:56.34 | foxlit | You probably can export it anywhere |
| 14:56.43 | Cralor` | couldn't someone buy it for him, and then ship it to Ackis? =P |
| 14:56.56 | Lopeppeppy | Not if you value your citizenship? |
| 14:56.58 | Shirik | sure, if you want to commit a felony |
| 14:56.59 | amro | ^ |
| 14:57.05 | Cralor` | oh =( |
| 14:57.19 | Cralor` | you can't mail stuff to canada? |
| 14:57.27 | Cralor` | i'm confused lol |
| 14:57.40 | Shirik | not products related to cryptography |
| 14:57.41 | foxlit | So what terribly advanced weapons-grade stuff does the 6$ token contain? :) |
| 14:57.44 | Cralor` | or it's just that BLizzard can't ship it to Canada |
| 14:57.53 | Lopeppeppy | Cryptography is still considered highly restricted by WWII era laws that are still in place. |
| 14:57.54 | Cralor` | ah i see |
| 14:58.07 | amro | Cralor`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography |
| 14:58.42 | Fisker- | Doesn't even make sense today? |
| 14:58.56 | malreth | didn't we have this discussion already? |
| 14:58.59 | Fisker- | It's not like cryptography like that is breakable |
| 14:59.26 | Shirik | I won't deny it's pretty stupid, Fisker-, but it's still a law until it's removed |
| 14:59.40 | Shirik | in Texas you can't tie an alligator to a fire hydrant |
| 14:59.47 | Lopeppeppy | Laws is laws, enjoy their wonder. |
| 14:59.48 | Fisker- | that's pretty useful |
| 14:59.54 | Fisker- | cause alligator at a fire hydrant would be bad |
| 15:00.01 | Fisker- | if there was a fire! |
| 15:00.09 | Shirik | ok... |
| 15:00.09 | AckisWork | I honestly thought it had been removed... but as I said I'm not getting it because of the limits imposed :P I was thinking of how long it would take to get dvd's heh |
| 15:00.55 | amro | 'bout as long as it takes to manually reconstruct their content =) |
| 15:01.13 | foxlit | Hm |
| 15:01.24 | foxlit | Does the API provide some way to distinguish which server cluster you're on? |
| 15:01.59 | foxlit | (Essentially, are you on an European or American server?) |
| 15:02.35 | Lopeppeppy | I think that comes from your game version, foxlit... would that be loaded anywhere in API? |
| 15:02.48 | amro | you can use a US client on EU though |
| 15:02.52 | amro | and vice versa |
| 15:03.04 | Fisker- | Shirik you should mail an authenticator to me :( |
| 15:03.22 | Shirik | as much as I hate Bush, I would prefer to remain an american :P |
| 15:03.26 | foxlit | There's the welcome message, but I don't feel comfortable using that |
| 15:03.32 | malreth | blizzard authenticators ordered |
| 15:03.42 | Fisker- | Well it's that or tying up an alligator to a fire hydrant |
| 15:04.06 | Fisker- | it's odd that they haven't even sold out yet :o |
| 15:04.09 | amro | the welcome message changes occasionally. I think I remember one mod popped a message asking that question on first run |
| 15:04.14 | Fisker- | 6 hours since it was added |
| 15:04.22 | amro | might have been cosmos |
| 15:04.30 | Fisker- | though i guess it's because most of america was asleep :P |
| 15:04.44 | foxlit | GetCVar("locale") gets you the client locale (enGB/enUS distinction, at least) |
| 15:05.04 | amro | isn't that just the client locale? |
| 15:05.26 | foxlit | probably, but it's one up form GetLocale() which doesn't differentiate between the two |
| 15:05.40 | foxlit | s/for/fro/ |
| 15:06.03 | foxlit | The realmList CVar works, though |
| 15:06.14 | amro | good idea, forgot about that |
| 15:07.22 | foxlit | wonder if there's a list of those around |
| 15:08.23 | amro | list of what? |
| 15:08.45 | foxlit | all official realmList values |
| 15:08.48 | amro | us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com and eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 15:08.50 | amro | dunno about asian ones |
| 15:08.57 | foxlit | indeed :) |
| 15:09.26 | foxlit | and googling for realmList is mildly speaking undesirable |
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| 15:10.48 | durcyn | looks like cn.logon.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 15:10.57 | durcyn | what else is there, south america and oceania? |
| 15:11.05 | amro | oceania is us |
| 15:11.17 | amro | s. america has its own cluster? |
| 15:11.20 | Fisker- | south america doesn't have anything |
| 15:11.25 | Fisker- | there's korea |
| 15:11.28 | Fisker- | and china |
| 15:11.30 | Fisker- | that's cn |
| 15:11.43 | Fisker- | also a couple of more |
| 15:12.03 | amro | can't be cn |
| 15:12.05 | durcyn | kr.logon.worldofwarcraft.com resolves |
| 15:12.10 | amro | ping: unknown host cn.logon.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 15:12.19 | Fisker- | well actually it seems not to :o |
| 15:12.25 | Fisker- | well it's probably wowchina |
| 15:12.33 | Fisker- | since Blizzard isn't allowed to host it |
| 15:12.51 | amro | they can still host accounting, no? |
| 15:13.01 | Fisker- | cn1.grunt.wowchina.com |
| 15:13.03 | Fisker- | seems like that |
| 15:13.13 | Fisker- | don't know amro |
| 15:14.04 | Fisker- | Also one coming up for russia btw |
| 15:14.12 | Fisker- | that's technically going to be decoupled from EU |
| 15:14.16 | amro | cn1 through 9 work for grunt.wowchina.com |
| 15:14.53 | Fisker- | The Chinese beats the US in stupid laws though :D |
| 15:15.18 | AckisWork | http://cgi.ebay.com/World-of-Warcraft-Blizzard-Authenticator_W0QQitemZ300240997120QQihZ020QQcategoryZ106453QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem hahah |
| 15:15.25 | amro | yeah. you can tie alligators to fire hydrants. |
| 15:15.28 | amro | but can't do much else |
| 15:15.34 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 15:18.24 | Fisker- | my head amro ;( |
| 15:18.34 | Fisker- | i was decieved |
| 15:18.35 | AckisWork | fyi |
| 15:18.40 | AckisWork | Fisker- and I are in love. |
| 15:19.41 | AckisWork | NO U |
| 15:19.45 | AckisWork | 9:18Fisker-i love you |
| 15:20.20 | AckisWork | see |
| 15:20.27 | AckisWork | it's on the internet, it has to be true |
| 15:21.38 | foxlit | frame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", otherFrame) frame:SetPoint("BOTTOMRIGHT", otherFrame) |
| 15:22.19 | foxlit | Am I misguided in assuming that that'll position frame exactly at the same position as otherFrame? |
| 15:23.48 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91148 - what's wrong here? =( |
| 15:25.10 | foxlit | is OnLoad called? |
| 15:25.42 | durcyn | Cralor`: you're not defining the event vararg from that snippet |
| 15:25.53 | foxlit | They're still global |
| 15:25.59 | foxlit | So there's no need to pass them yet |
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| 15:27.21 | Cralor` | pass them? |
| 15:31.07 | Cralor` | this is my first time with arguments =( |
| 15:36.46 | foxlit | Arguments are not your problem, though |
| 15:37.02 | foxlit | Is there an XML part of this we're not seeing? |
| 15:37.26 | Cralor` | sure i can paste that up |
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| 15:40.32 | malreth | ~seen lunessa |
| 15:40.33 | purl | lunessa <n=Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 12h 41m 58s ago, saying: 'I have a problem with the "hyper-real" models so many games are trying to use. They look real enough to be disturbingly WRONG and it makes the game visually un-appealing. AoC, EQ II, and now Warhammer make me think game companies don't get it.'. |
| 15:41.33 | Cralor` | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91151 |
| 15:41.47 | malreth | look at that... |
| 15:41.52 | malreth | purl IS a guy after all |
| 15:42.18 | malreth | purl, your barn door's open and the cow's a-mooin' |
| 15:43.03 | foxlit | Cralor`: so what doesn't work, exactly? |
| 15:43.42 | Cralor` | i actually got it to work, but now whenevr i press the button to initiate /afk, it thinks i am AFK again and the frame pops back up |
| 15:43.56 | Cralor` | (because i'm using the PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED |
| 15:44.06 | Cralor` | how can i fix this? |
| 15:44.24 | foxlit | that event will fire for a lot more things than "you are now afk" notifications |
| 15:45.14 | Cralor` | i know =( i am looking for one more specific to AFK. is there one? |
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| 15:46.30 | foxlit | you can probably check for the specific CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 15:46.36 | foxlit | But hey, there's also http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitIsAFK |
| 15:47.05 | Cralor` | yea i tried that before. let's try it again :D |
| 15:48.05 | Cralor` | do i need an event for that? |
| 15:48.24 | foxlit | use it on the one you already have |
| 15:48.30 | malreth | you'll probably want to call it in response to an event |
| 15:48.46 | Cralor` | foxlit: player_flags_changed? |
| 15:49.06 | foxlit | yes |
| 15:49.19 | Cralor` | hmm. |
| 15:50.14 | Cralor` | like this? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91153 |
| 15:50.37 | foxlit | that looks fine |
| 15:50.43 | Cralor` | i'll try it :D |
| 15:52.07 | Cralor` | still fires when i press the button. what is happening is i go /afk. then the frame pops up. i click the button. this hides the frame and does the command /afk. then it pops back up. probably because the event is called again |
| 15:54.46 | Cralor` | should we go ahead and try the cht_msg_system? |
| 15:54.56 | Cralor` | or will that do the same thing |
| 15:56.49 | foxlit | depends on when unitisafk is updated |
| 15:57.46 | Cralor` | do u suggest anything? =p |
| 15:58.07 | malreth | more rigorous debugging |
| 15:58.07 | AckisWork | nested if statement or if x and x? which is better |
| 15:58.15 | Fisker- | http://eu.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=221003132 <-EU STOCK >:O |
| 15:58.27 | malreth | AckisWork: whichever is more readable |
| 15:58.33 | Cralor` | lol nice |
| 15:58.48 | malreth | Cralor`: toss some debug print messages in there |
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| 15:58.58 | AckisWork | malreth: no performance gain one way or another? |
| 15:58.59 | Cralor` | what do you mean? ^_^ |
| 15:59.17 | malreth | AckisWork: it should interpret into the same series of opcodes |
| 15:59.28 | Cralor` | malreth: i've never used debug messages |
| 15:59.58 | malreth | they're very useful for figuring out what is going on |
| 15:59.59 | Cralor` | oh wait |
| 16:00.34 | Cralor` | assert(value)? |
| 16:01.24 | Fisker- | man |
| 16:01.29 | Fisker- | â¬20 for shipping |
| 16:01.29 | Fisker- | ;_; |
| 16:01.33 | malreth | you can also just use DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("some useful message here") |
| 16:02.08 | Cralor` | but what are we trying to look for? |
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| 16:02.56 | Cralor` | we already know it's because "player_flags_changed" triggers when you go afk and when you come back |
| 16:03.05 | malreth | I'd start with what UnitIsAFK("player") is returning whenever you get a "PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED" event |
| 16:03.48 | Cralor` | ok. so, where should i put a debug message? |
| 16:03.58 | Cralor` | in between the two if statements? |
| 16:04.08 | malreth | yeah, that's a good spot |
| 16:04.34 | Cralor` | what should we have it say? |
| 16:04.48 | malreth | something like DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("UnitIsAFK() returns "..tostring(UnitIsAFK("player")) |
| 16:05.49 | Cralor` | ok one second |
| 16:06.46 | Fisker- | I wonder why it says that customs and tariffs may apply |
| 16:06.53 | Cralor` | when i go AFK it returns 1. when i come back from AFK it returns 0. so, somehow it is working now |
| 16:06.59 | Fisker- | I thought that as being a EU country we didn't need that :P |
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| 16:07.30 | Cralor` | ok let me take out this debug and then try it |
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| 16:08.18 | Fisker- | i am so excited Shirik :o |
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| 16:08.30 | Cralor` | malreth: lol it owrks now... i don't know why ^_^. thank you for walking me through this :D |
| 16:08.47 | Cralor` | and thank you foxlit for the help too |
| 16:08.53 | AckisWork | Fisker-: I did it again |
| 16:09.07 | Cralor` | and AckisWork: for some suggestions ^_^ |
| 16:09.26 | AckisWork | what'd I do? |
| 16:11.27 | Fisker- | awesome AckisWork |
| 16:11.56 | DARKGuy | yeah, AckisWork is awesome |
| 16:12.09 | AckisWork | hah |
| 16:12.15 | AckisWork | I'm so confused |
| 16:12.28 | Fisker- | also |
| 16:14.14 | malreth | http://superhappy.livejournal.com/333356.html |
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| 16:16.09 | AckisWork | Isn't it L'ecole? |
| 16:16.21 | malreth | http://superhappy.livejournal.com/333938.html |
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| 16:17.56 | malreth | http://superhappy.livejournal.com/334407.html |
| 16:18.35 | Industrial | How do i target someone if I dont have any target again with a macro? |
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| 16:18.48 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.08 | kamdis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.25 | kamdis | target=target is implied |
| 16:19.29 | Industrial | k |
| 16:19.34 | kamdis | :-) |
| 16:19.46 | kamdis | won't hurt anything though, unless you are up against the character limit |
| 16:20.00 | malreth | is this someone a friendly or an enemy? |
| 16:20.09 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.11 | Industrial | enemy |
| 16:20.12 | Industrial | :D |
| 16:22.51 | Industrial | Is there any way to change the tab targeting distance? I want it way further then my shooting range |
| 16:23.08 | Industrial | so i can shoot when im in range, not after ive selected something |
| 16:23.53 | malreth | Industrial: yes |
| 16:23.57 | malreth | it's a cvar |
| 16:24.07 | malreth | the max you can set it to is 50 units |
| 16:24.18 | malreth | but i forget the cvar name |
| 16:24.21 | Industrial | g |
| 16:24.24 | Industrial | k* |
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| 16:25.21 | Industrial | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/cvars/targetNearestDistance |
| 16:27.16 | ZealotOnAStick | new CurseForge poll up. |
| 16:29.12 | kamdis | Industrial, you might think about using [noexists][dead] so that if you have 2 mobs and one dies you can use it to switch to the other? |
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| 16:42.35 | Industrial | kamdis: right nice |
| 16:47.47 | foxlit | scrollBar:SetValue(scrollBar:GetValue() - (scrollBar:GetHeight() / 2)); |
| 16:47.53 | foxlit | when has that seemed like a good idea :( |
| 16:47.59 | foxlit | s/has/did/ |
| 16:48.05 | foxlit | and a bunch more :( |
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| 16:51.40 | nevcairiel | too bad it doesnt toggle on itself |
| 16:51.50 | Shirik | well this is nice |
| 16:51.54 | Shirik | my flight's delayed, but they gave me free internet :D |
| 16:52.07 | Shirik | good thing too because my laptop only has 50% power |
| 16:52.10 | nevcairiel | i would rather have a on-time flight |
| 16:52.11 | Shirik | now I can charge it |
| 16:52.16 | Shirik | screw that, I had a 3 hour layover anyway |
| 16:52.21 | Shirik | now it's only 1 |
| 16:52.34 | malreth | Shirik: http://www.pinktentacle.com/2006/07/face-to-face-with-high-tech-medical-devices/ |
| 16:53.04 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 16:53.28 | malreth | a manifestation of your regret that you have access to the internet right now |
| 16:53.37 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:53.43 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:54.02 | Shirik | oh now I have time to install subclipse too |
| 16:54.03 | Shirik | yey |
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| 17:02.04 | kd3 | rofl; [Dubmass] Groundskeeper accidentally destroys golf course by spraying it with industrial strength weedkiller instead of water. Awkward |
| 17:02.16 | Lopeppeppy | Awkward. |
| 17:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | Large sand hazard. |
| 17:02.23 | Shirik | wow |
| 17:02.46 | Shirik | guess he lost his job |
| 17:03.44 | DARKGuy | he did something epic though |
| 17:05.23 | Industrial | now build houses there, very cheap ones and put homeless in there |
| 17:05.25 | Industrial | :D |
| 17:05.43 | AckisWork | then burn the houses? |
| 17:06.36 | ZealotOnAStick | seems like an overly costly and complex solution. just spread manure. |
| 17:06.37 | DARKGuy | hahaahaa |
| 17:07.19 | Industrial | but that wont take care of the homeless problem |
| 17:08.17 | AckisWork | my solution of zoas' solution? |
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| 17:14.35 | ckknight | Industrial: why do the homeless deserve houses there? |
| 17:15.00 | ckknight | AckisWork: what's the difference? |
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| 17:15.18 | AckisWork | haha |
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| 17:19.32 | Industrial | ckknight: because even homeless would make better use of it, and then we wouldnt have any more homeless? |
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| 17:20.43 | Shirik | by definition, once you give a homeless man a home, he is no longer homeless |
| 17:20.47 | Shirik | just thought I'd throw that out there |
| 17:21.01 | Industrial | tadah, problem solved? :p |
| 17:21.08 | Fisker- | o hai Shirik |
| 17:21.11 | Fisker- | i has authenticator |
| 17:21.25 | Shirik | Therefore, you can't create "housing for the homeless" because at the time of giving them the house, they are no longer eligible for the house and it must be taken away |
| 17:21.37 | Shirik | Fisker-: I ordered one, so I'm happy now :P |
| 17:22.02 | Industrial | Shirik: why taken away? if they have a home then they are just people with a home |
| 17:22.05 | ckknight | Industrial: but how did they earn the right to be there, compared to the people who cultivated the land and maintained it? |
| 17:22.15 | Shirik | but it's housing for the homeless Industrial |
| 17:22.22 | Industrial | ckknight: to swing at plastic balls? |
| 17:22.34 | ckknight | they paid for that right |
| 17:22.39 | ckknight | they worked and toiled for that right |
| 17:22.52 | Industrial | and by defenition having more money gives you more right to life |
| 17:22.54 | Industrial | ? |
| 17:22.55 | Industrial | no. fail. |
| 17:23.02 | ckknight | yes, definitely |
| 17:23.22 | Industrial | I see that as criminal >:P |
| 17:23.29 | ckknight | because your solution is to take their hard work, spit on it, and give it to people who didn't earn it |
| 17:23.30 | Dashkal | ^^^ |
| 17:24.10 | Dashkal | You assume there's hard work involved. Since when do you necessarily have to work for money? |
| 17:24.14 | Industrial | ^ |
| 17:24.36 | Lopeppeppy | Epic Mount, anyone? |
| 17:24.44 | Industrial | me, gief money |
| 17:24.47 | Industrial | *cough* |
| 17:25.35 | Artmi | I think wellfare serves a good purpose for example, it cuts down on people being homeless |
| 17:25.47 | Industrial | ckknight: It's just that I put all of mankind's wellbeing before that of the single person |
| 17:25.48 | Artmi | i mean come on, not all people in this world choses to do nothing for a living |
| 17:25.51 | kd3 | but then you get the situation we're in now, with generations of families on welfare |
| 17:26.02 | ckknight | Dashkal: property is the product of one's life and liberty. In order to obtain money, someone had to earn it, whether by smart investing (which is work), working for a wage, by inheritance (seeing as the person inherited from earned said money, they had the right to give it away), or through some other means (gambling, for instance). In any event, the money had to come from somewhere |
| 17:26.08 | kd3 | the "career helpless", as it were |
| 17:26.09 | Artmi | Some people, such as drug addicts can go to hell, they shouldn't get wellfare |
| 17:26.16 | Artmi | but people actually trying to make a living, but fail to do so |
| 17:26.19 | Artmi | do deserve to get it |
| 17:26.42 | ckknight | Industrial: and I believe that unless we protect those who work hard and have money, they'll have diminished incentive to work, thus hurting the overall economy and thus the entire populace |
| 17:27.01 | Dashkal | Artmi: Having an addiction to a drug makes you less of a person? |
| 17:27.05 | ckknight | also, I see it as immoral to steal someone else's money, even for a good cause |
| 17:27.07 | Industrial | more moeny just doesnt come from money. the money is always somewhere |
| 17:27.13 | Industrial | id rather have it at everyone then just a few |
| 17:27.15 | Artmi | Dashkal, No, but wellfare money shouldn't |
| 17:27.17 | Artmi | go to drugs |
| 17:27.29 | Artmi | Wellfare in sweden, is taken from MY money |
| 17:27.31 | foxlit | what if that is the optimal solution? |
| 17:27.32 | Artmi | that i work for, and pay in my taxes |
| 17:27.36 | Dashkal | Artmi: I won't argue there, but there are solutions: Put it to food and feed them directly, for example |
| 17:27.43 | Artmi | I sure as hell aint paying my taxes for others to do drugs for it |
| 17:27.50 | nevcairiel | ckknight is the typical stereotype why i wouldnt want to live in US :P |
| 17:27.53 | Artmi | Dashkal, That would be one solution, yes. |
| 17:27.55 | Industrial | same |
| 17:28.02 | Industrial | ban gambling and guns while we are at it |
| 17:28.05 | ckknight | Industrial: what gives you the right to take other people's money and give it to someone else? |
| 17:28.12 | kd3 | ^ |
| 17:28.12 | ckknight | but mah gunz! |
| 17:28.13 | foxlit | Would you be happier to pay your taxes so that police could prosecute murders committed by the drug-addicts wanting to score some quick cash? |
| 17:28.26 | Dashkal | ckknight: Usually the same thing that gives your country the "right" to invade: Bigger guns |
| 17:28.27 | Industrial | inviso: what gives them the right to deny someone elses life |
| 17:28.39 | Artmi | I do feel for the homeless |
| 17:28.42 | Industrial | more money. |
| 17:28.45 | Industrial | exactly. |
| 17:28.47 | Artmi | i can't imagine what it'd feel like being homeless |
| 17:28.52 | Dashkal | foxlit: both. cash to treat the disease that addiction is, and cash to deal with those that do not wish to be helped |
| 17:28.55 | Artmi | That's why i love that there is a wellfare |
| 17:29.06 | ZealotOnAStick | morality is overrated, and is largely perceptual and subjective. |
| 17:29.10 | Artmi | So that it can help as much people as possible, i couldn't for the love of my life |
| 17:29.16 | Shirik | Artmi: I respect that certain people don't have much of a choice |
| 17:29.21 | Artmi | enjoy a good meal, when i know millions of people are starving |
| 17:29.24 | Artmi | and we are doing nothing about it |
| 17:29.26 | foxlit | It's cheaper to just provide those people with drugs and let nature do its job. |
| 17:29.27 | ckknight | I believe in negative rights, not positive rights. For example, you don't have the right to hurt me, but I am under no obligation whatsoever to aid you when you are hurt. |
| 17:29.34 | Shirik | But there are a LOT of people in the US that just get a free ride doing nothing, and that's ckknight's point as I understand it |
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| 17:29.54 | Artmi | Shirik, Those people just "cathing a free ride", doesn't deserve the money they get |
| 17:29.56 | Dashkal | cheaper yes, but that morality thing that I *glares at zoas* do not find overrated interferes. I'll pay more to solve the problem rather than just kill them off |
| 17:29.58 | Shirik | Probably about 90% of the homeless population you meet on the street asking you for money spends all of their money on alcohol and could work for an (at least minimum wage) job |
| 17:30.00 | Artmi | That i can agree with |
| 17:30.02 | ckknight | Shirik: not just the US, but yes. I abhor welfare fraud and believe that welfare in general is a flawed system |
| 17:30.12 | Industrial | ckknight: I believe you live in the country where most people are hurting eachother though |
| 17:30.17 | kd3 | I'm with ckk on this one |
| 17:30.18 | ckknight | I believe in charity, mind you. I'm actually quite charitous |
| 17:30.19 | nevcairiel | have you ever compared welfare in the US to welfare in germany? Your definition of "free ride" would be largely changed to fit that :P |
| 17:30.45 | ckknight | granted, I tend to help outside interests, not US interests, since I believe they need more help |
| 17:31.08 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 17:31.11 | Shirik | they delayed BOTH my flights |
| 17:31.12 | Shirik | impressive |
| 17:31.20 | ZealotOnAStick | Dashkal: I call it overrated simply because it varies too much. Your definitions of what is moral vs. a devout lifelong catholic's definitions vs. a muslim's definitions vs. a lawyer's definitions vs . . . |
| 17:31.27 | Shirik | remember when I was happy that I was only going to have a 1 hour layover instead of a 3 hour layover? Yeah, it's back to 3 hours... |
| 17:31.27 | foxlit | They could've just delayed the first, making you miss the second? :) |
| 17:31.36 | Shirik | I wasn't going to miss the second >< |
| 17:31.41 | Dashkal | ZealotOnAStick: s/overrated/hard to define/ ? |
| 17:31.41 | nevcairiel | Shirik: told you that a on-time flight is better |
| 17:31.47 | foxlit | That's what YOU think |
| 17:32.17 | Industrial | ZealotOnAStick: thats why we have democracy and welfare |
| 17:32.39 | Dashkal | There are some common threads in morality. Along the lines of "do no harm". |
| 17:32.45 | Dashkal | or rather "least harm" |
| 17:32.50 | ZealotOnAStick | Dashkal: not in my opinion. Where does morality fall on the subject of things like The Greater Good benefitted by Specific Harm to Individuals? |
| 17:33.00 | Industrial | or "no harm except for anyone that doesnt believe in our god" |
| 17:33.01 | Dashkal | ZealotOnAStick: It doesn't. |
| 17:33.03 | Artmi | I remember back in the day when i just graduated, i had to use welfare until i could find a job, so it actually saved me ones :) |
| 17:33.09 | Dashkal | inherently it cannot |
| 17:33.21 | Dashkal | Industrial: Yeah, that would be the "morality" I reject... |
| 17:33.25 | nevcairiel | greater-good decisions generally hurt the morality |
| 17:33.50 | ZealotOnAStick | and the morality you reject is any less valid than your morality? |
| 17:33.50 | Industrial | the morality of the few :p |
| 17:33.53 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: yes, but that's because those "greater-good" decisions are actually often "my good" decisions |
| 17:33.57 | Artmi | But then again, while being on welfare i was looking for job at least 6 hours a day until i found one. So didn't take long until i got my own income |
| 17:34.18 | foxlit | because "greater-good" is inherently "greater evil" for a smaller segment of people |
| 17:34.32 | Dashkal | ZealotOnAStick: I do reject any "morality" that advocates doing harm due to a difference in belief, yes |
| 17:34.34 | foxlit | How you deal with that depends on what you subscribe to. |
| 17:34.41 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: mostly, yes. because the world things in countrys and sadly, most of the time they even think about the next election and not whats good in the long run |
| 17:34.42 | Industrial | foxlit: the need os the many outweigh the needs of the few |
| 17:34.51 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: yep |
| 17:34.58 | Dashkal | Industrial: to what balance? |
| 17:35.03 | ZealotOnAStick | Dashkal: YOU reject, yes. But that infringes on other's beliefs/definitions of morality. |
| 17:35.13 | Industrial | giving homeless homes and taking away land from golf parks |
| 17:35.15 | Industrial | ;) |
| 17:35.18 | foxlit | Industrial: that doesn't work. |
| 17:35.19 | ZealotOnAStick | back to why I consider the overall concept of morality overrated. |
| 17:35.26 | Industrial | foxlit: I know it won't |
| 17:35.50 | Dashkal | ZealotOnAStick: fine, but you still have to fall back somewhere, or else become amoral (not to be confused with immoral) |
| 17:35.57 | Industrial | ZealotOnAStick: because you dont care about the rest of the people? :P |
| 17:36.12 | ZealotOnAStick | I find it greatly disturbing that sex/nudity is considered such a horrible, immoral thing to the large percentage of stick-in-their-ass prudes in this country thanks to our largely puritanical founding members. |
| 17:36.15 | malreth_ | in my ideal society, drugs would be legal and homelessness is punishable by death |
| 17:36.31 | Dashkal | ZealotOnAStick: agreed. I've never understood how the sight of a nipple is somehow damaging... |
| 17:36.32 | Artmi | that's cruel Maldivia |
| 17:36.32 | Industrial | ... |
| 17:36.34 | Artmi | malreth,* |
| 17:36.57 | ckknight | malreth_: why death? frankly, they should just be put in prison for disturbing the peace or trespassing or something |
| 17:37.00 | ZealotOnAStick | Yet violence (and/or horrible, graphic depictions thereof) is commonplace and tolerated, if not accepted. |
| 17:37.05 | kamdis | OMG. Nipples are the devil! |
| 17:37.08 | kamdis | :P |
| 17:37.10 | Industrial | ckknight: so, housing? |
| 17:37.13 | malreth_ | ckknight: problem is who pays for the prisons? |
| 17:37.13 | Industrial | ckknight: cept with food :p |
| 17:37.23 | foxlit | prisons are clearly more expensive |
| 17:37.37 | foxlit | Since you have to actually bother keeping a large population of discontent people locked in |
| 17:37.37 | malreth_ | there would be plenty of options for work |
| 17:37.41 | ckknight | malreth_: true, but I don't know a better situation *shrug* |
| 17:37.42 | Industrial | let the rich pay for it |
| 17:37.49 | Dashkal | You can let someone out of prison. You can't "unkill" them |
| 17:37.51 | ckknight | Industrial: why should they have to pay? |
| 17:37.55 | ZealotOnAStick | Prisons in the US currently are also largely broken and simply do not work for the argued goal for all non-lifetime residents. |
| 17:37.57 | foxlit | ckknight: why not? |
| 17:37.58 | Industrial | cause they have more money |
| 17:38.02 | foxlit | Someone has to pay |
| 17:38.21 | ckknight | because they earned their money, why do you want to hurt the rich who earned money more efficiently? |
| 17:38.25 | ckknight | you're hurting the strong |
| 17:38.29 | foxlit | So? |
| 17:38.29 | ZealotOnAStick | The US prison/corrections system as a means of "Rehabilitation" is largely epic fail. |
| 17:38.30 | Artmi | ckknight,I don't believe the rich people earned their money |
| 17:38.35 | Artmi | most rich people, yes, they have worked for it |
| 17:38.36 | ZealotOnAStick | Recidivism is stupidly high. |
| 17:38.39 | ckknight | ZealotOnAStick: quite true |
| 17:38.42 | Industrial | and strengthening the weak, go civilization! |
| 17:38.43 | Artmi | but, they have been payed in a greater extent then what they are worth |
| 17:38.43 | nevcairiel | ckknight: because most rich exploit people to get the money |
| 17:38.50 | Artmi | Most people on this world works 8 hours a day |
| 17:38.58 | Artmi | and most rich people, get it because of their profession |
| 17:38.59 | ckknight | nevcairiel: perhaps some, but not all |
| 17:39.02 | Artmi | not due to how many hours they work |
| 17:39.20 | Industrial | if you "earn" a lot of money it means you took it from someone else. Disproportionate amounts mean you are starving other people by keeping it |
| 17:39.27 | ckknight | you think doctors, who can make $300k and have gone to school for so long and do good jobs deserve to pay for their success? |
| 17:39.28 | Industrial | indirectly ofcourse |
| 17:39.36 | malreth | plus, unemployment != homelessness... you could live with family |
| 17:39.38 | Artmi | I don't believe no one deserves the right |
| 17:39.40 | Artmi | to get payed more then the other |
| 17:39.42 | ckknight | Industrial: you don't believe that wealth can be created? |
| 17:39.50 | Artmi | Okey, a doctor has been studying for a long time |
| 17:39.54 | Artmi | but not all of us have had the fortune |
| 17:39.57 | Artmi | of having parents with alot of money |
| 17:40.00 | Artmi | being able to pay for that educatiopn |
| 17:40.05 | ckknight | Artmi: maybe they put themselves through school |
| 17:40.08 | kd3 | student loans! |
| 17:40.13 | nevcairiel | doctors aren't even that well payed here |
| 17:40.14 | Lopeppeppy | Whee, where's the marxist when I need them. |
| 17:40.16 | ckknight | my brother put himself through college and law school, no parental help |
| 17:40.24 | ZealotOnAStick | Industrial: if there were a fixed monetary standard, that would indisputably be true. |
| 17:40.40 | ZealotOnAStick | However, (and this is a big and distinct problem) we're not, at least in this country. |
| 17:40.43 | Artmi | kd3: i look at it this wasy |
| 17:40.46 | Hexarobi | i think its more CEO's and Board members who are paid millions because they are part of the ruling class and know other members of the ruling class |
| 17:40.46 | Artmi | when i still were living at home |
| 17:40.48 | ZealotOnAStick | Need more money? Fire up the Mint's presses. |
| 17:40.54 | Artmi | and being in school, i had to pay 400$ a month to my father |
| 17:40.57 | Industrial | ZealotOnAStick: I live on the other side of the world though |
| 17:41.01 | Artmi | so if i had to take a student loan, it'd be dead broke |
| 17:41.10 | Artmi | i'd* |
| 17:41.43 | Industrial | also, loans are just ways for the rich to get more money. |
| 17:41.43 | Kalroth | kd3: Don't worry, you'll pay it back soon enough, it's 8 years since I attendended school and I'm almost halfways now! |
| 17:41.45 | kamdis | Cairenn: thank you for bringing some semblance of order back to the "very important question" (lol) thread. :-) |
| 17:41.55 | Cairenn | kamdis: heh |
| 17:42.05 | Kalroth | Cairenn and sanity? Does not compute! |
| 17:42.21 | ZealotOnAStick | wait . . . |
| 17:42.22 | malreth | the key is legalized drugs in my society |
| 17:42.24 | ZealotOnAStick | what was the question? |
| 17:42.32 | Artmi | Another way to look at it, what if every single one of us were doctors |
| 17:42.33 | malreth | you can't have a Garden of Eden without a Forbidden Fruit |
| 17:42.38 | Artmi | how would we have food on our tables |
| 17:42.39 | Fisker- | kd3 |
| 17:42.42 | Fisker- | I HAS AUTHENTICATOR |
| 17:42.42 | Fisker- | :O |
| 17:42.44 | Artmi | how would we have working roads, electrisity, etc |
| 17:42.49 | kd3 | grats |
| 17:42.50 | Fisker- | Blizzard finally started caring about EU people, etc. |
| 17:42.56 | Artmi | So if all of us had such a good education, we wouldn't be alive today :P |
| 17:42.59 | Industrial | kd3: so I dont think its fair to be loaning people money unless they can show that they can pay you back :P |
| 17:43.10 | Cairenn | Often telling them what "should be" doesn't work, asking them "what is" should always be the first question. |
| 17:43.10 | Industrial | kd3: in the states anyone can get a loan? not sure how that works |
| 17:43.13 | malreth | Industrial: nonsense |
| 17:43.21 | kd3 | I can pay it back. it's just going to take years. luckily, they gave me the money knowing that |
| 17:43.27 | malreth | in my society, credit cannot be denied for any reason |
| 17:43.30 | Industrial | malreth: why, its taking from less intelligent people instead of protecting them |
| 17:43.41 | Industrial | isnt that unfair? |
| 17:43.42 | malreth | and debt is passed down to your next of kin |
| 17:43.49 | Industrial | isnt that unfair? |
| 17:43.52 | malreth | no |
| 17:43.55 | Slakah | It is. |
| 17:44.06 | ZealotOnAStick | what if you're an orphan? Or you don't marry or reproduce? |
| 17:44.08 | malreth | eventually, you will reach a point where you cannot possibly pay the debt |
| 17:44.21 | malreth | then you lose your place to live... and thus your life |
| 17:44.30 | Industrial | malreth: here you cant get a debt you can not prove you can pay |
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| 17:44.45 | Kalroth | A student loan is an investment. And it's usually a good one, a person getting educated will in the majority of cases earn money once he/she is done studying. |
| 17:44.48 | Industrial | but then you wont need a loan in the first place |
| 17:44.52 | malreth | in my society, you cannot live unless you pay |
| 17:45.07 | Industrial | malreth: how about saving money before buyig things |
| 17:45.08 | Artmi | I still dont feel that you should get more cash depending on profession |
| 17:45.11 | Dashkal | note to self: stay the fuck away from the Malreth republic of debt-passing |
| 17:45.24 | Artmi | If we didn't have some of each profession int his world, it woulödn |
| 17:45.25 | Artmi | trun |
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| 17:45.30 | ZealotOnAStick | so, say I'm a brilliant scientist, making groundbreaking contributions in my field, but I discover at 27 that I have a horrible genetic condition that has a very strong chance of being passed to my offspring, and I don't want to inflict that upon them. |
| 17:45.32 | ckknight | malreth: I'm interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter |
| 17:45.35 | malreth | Dashkal: suit yourself. i'll be smoking it up and living the good life |
| 17:45.35 | Artmi | wouldn't run*. And thus, rewarding those of one profession is a bad idea |
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| 17:45.38 | Dashkal | My dad wrought up a huge debt that was hit by a bus. I cannot pay so I get shot? |
| 17:45.41 | Artmi | I mean, a doctor wouldn't be able to live without food |
| 17:45.45 | ZealotOnAStick | I don't marry or reproduce, I'm worthless and lose my right to life? |
| 17:45.46 | Artmi | which is made by some people |
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| 17:45.50 | Dashkal | s/that was/and then was/ |
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| 17:45.57 | Artmi | They wouldn't be able to get to work on time, without cars / busses / trains / whatever |
| 17:46.24 | Industrial | malreth: so it is fair to take money from people who have less and ill not be able to pay it back, destroying their lives in the process? |
| 17:46.26 | malreth | Dashkal: i know... so sad |
| 17:46.28 | Industrial | thats qeual to killing people |
| 17:46.34 | Industrial | very slowly |
| 17:46.55 | fdgdgdfg | Guys I have problem with MessageFrame using after creating it with CreateFrame(...) - > who can help me? |
| 17:47.02 | Industrial | fdgdgdfg: no. moeny. |
| 17:47.04 | malreth | Industrial: i'm pretty sure that in a few short generations i will have eliminated debt from my society |
| 17:47.04 | Industrial | ;D |
| 17:47.26 | Industrial | you can if your government forbids it |
| 17:47.30 | fdgdgdfg | huh nobody wants to help me? |
| 17:47.37 | Slakah | But you will undoubtedly have social unrest |
| 17:47.55 | Wikwocket | fdgdgdfg: can you explain the problem you are having with it? |
| 17:48.01 | fdgdgdfg | sure |
| 17:48.20 | fdgdgdfg | local f=CreateFrame("MessageFrame","myframe",UIParent); |
| 17:48.24 | breser | I'm walking into this discussion now... |
| 17:48.30 | fdgdgdfg | I create messageframe like this |
| 17:48.35 | breser | But if you're eliminating debt what are you using for currency? |
| 17:48.49 | Industrial | money you already have by working |
| 17:48.57 | fdgdgdfg | and then i am adding to it sizes and blue texture |
| 17:48.58 | breser | (For the uneducated all money in most modern societies is backed by debt not anything real) |
| 17:49.20 | fdgdgdfg | and finally f:AddMessage("dfsdfsdf sdf sdf sdf "); |
| 17:49.28 | Industrial | breser: explain |
| 17:49.32 | fdgdgdfg | frame appears but message does not |
| 17:49.40 | breser | Let's use the United States as an example. |
| 17:49.57 | Industrial | okay, interesting since I live in the netherlands :) |
| 17:49.57 | breser | You can not take a dollar bill and ask the government to redeem it for some currency. |
| 17:50.02 | fdgdgdfg | why it does not appear? |
| 17:50.06 | breser | It is a Federal Reserve Note. |
| 17:50.21 | breser | The Federal Reserve takes deposits from large banks as a reserve. |
| 17:50.35 | breser | Those banks loan out *MORE* than their reserve our for that matter any money they actually have. |
| 17:50.41 | malreth | fdgdgdfg: can you pastey your code somewhere |
| 17:50.48 | malreth | see the topic, please |
| 17:50.49 | fdgdgdfg | here? |
| 17:50.51 | breser | When you take out a loan and then deposit the check the bank gives you into the account the money comes into existance. |
| 17:51.06 | fdgdgdfg | local f=CreateFrame("MessageFrame","myframe",UIParent); |
| 17:51.11 | fdgdgdfg | f:SetWidth(200); |
| 17:51.11 | malreth | fdgdgdfg: no |
| 17:51.11 | fdgdgdfg | f:SetHeight(100); |
| 17:51.11 | malreth | sop |
| 17:51.11 | fdgdgdfg | f:SetPoint("CENTER",UIParent,"CENTER",0,0); |
| 17:51.11 | malreth | stop |
| 17:51.13 | fdgdgdfg | ft=f:CreateTexture(); |
| 17:51.15 | fdgdgdfg | ft:SetTexture(1,0,0,0.5); |
| 17:51.15 | breser | What's backing that money is your promise to repay. |
| 17:51.16 | fdgdgdfg | ft:SetAllPoints(); |
| 17:51.18 | fdgdgdfg | f:AddMessage("dfsdfsdf sdf sdf sdf "); |
| 17:51.19 | fdgdgdfg | f:Show(); |
| 17:51.21 | fdgdgdfg | sory :) |
| 17:51.21 | Industrial | kick Dashkal |
| 17:51.26 | Industrial | fdgdgdfg: * |
| 17:51.27 | malreth | read the topic |
| 17:51.37 | fdgdgdfg | no plz |
| 17:51.41 | Dashkal | huh what? |
| 17:51.44 | malreth | there's a place to pastey your code |
| 17:51.44 | breser | I assume Netherlands is part of the EU and uses the Euro, in which case the system is largely the same. |
| 17:51.50 | Industrial | Dashkal: tabbed wrong :P |
| 17:52.00 | fdgdgdfg | Where is this place? |
| 17:52.03 | malreth | you paste it there on that site, then you paste the link here |
| 17:52.06 | Dashkal | ahh ok |
| 17:52.16 | malreth | http://wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 17:52.24 | malreth | it's in the channel topic |
| 17:52.25 | fdgdgdfg | ah ok |
| 17:52.29 | fdgdgdfg | thsanks |
| 17:53.16 | malreth | fdgdgdfg: did you know your nickname is a palindrome? |
| 17:53.32 | ckknight | malreth: it's not |
| 17:53.41 | fdgdgdfg | now and I dont care rly... |
| 17:53.41 | nevcairiel | yeah malreth fails |
| 17:54.00 | fdgdgdfg | not* |
| 17:54.06 | malreth | boo... you guys aren't any fun |
| 17:54.19 | cncfanatics | fdgdgdfg: could you get a decent nickname plx , |
| 17:54.48 | fdgdgdfg | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91164 -> its my code which doesnt work I mean the message does not appear in the frame |
| 17:54.56 | fdgdgdfg | I will change it soon |
| 17:55.24 | Artmi | does even a frame have |
| 17:55.33 | Artmi | an AddMessage method? |
| 17:55.46 | nevcairiel | MessageFrames do |
| 17:55.48 | Artmi | don't you need a MessageFrame, or possibly, some Font thigny |
| 17:55.50 | fdgdgdfg | its MessageFrame which should have this method |
| 17:56.15 | Artmi | ah nvm, you were using a message frame, hehe didn't look carefully enough :P |
| 17:56.22 | nevcairiel | You probably need to assign a fontstring to that messageframe for it to work |
| 17:56.38 | malreth | ^ what nev said |
| 17:56.40 | fdgdgdfg | hmm I was thinkink about font thingy but i dunno how to implement it |
| 17:56.49 | fdgdgdfg | hmm |
| 17:56.58 | nevcairiel | tbh i've only done MessageFrame's in XML |
| 17:57.18 | fdgdgdfg | u mean frame:CreateFontString? |
| 17:57.19 | Artmi | nevcairiel,it should be the same thing in Lua as well, if you need to assign a fontstring in xml |
| 17:57.22 | Artmi | you will need it here as well |
| 17:57.35 | fdgdgdfg | hmm ok mi will try to do it |
| 17:57.36 | malreth | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#FontInstance |
| 17:57.40 | cncfanatics | more like frame:SetFont ? |
| 17:57.47 | malreth | a font string or font instance? |
| 17:57.50 | nevcairiel | Artmi: yeah i was more like trying to express that i have no idea how to do it in Lua correctly :) |
| 17:57.57 | Artmi | aah : ) |
| 17:58.18 | nevcairiel | according to WoWWiki the messageframe inherits FontInstance |
| 17:58.39 | nevcairiel | so SetFont or even SetFontObject will work |
| 17:58.49 | fdgdgdfg | so I should use SetFont() right? |
| 17:58.53 | fdgdgdfg | ok |
| 17:58.59 | fdgdgdfg | I will try |
| 17:59.30 | malreth | fdgdgdfg: try SetFontObject() first |
| 17:59.37 | fdgdgdfg | ok |
| 17:59.43 | malreth | frame:SetFontObject(GameFontNormal) should do |
| 18:00.24 | nevcairiel | or ChatFontNormal |
| 18:00.37 | malreth | that will set the font family, font size, color, shadow, etc all at once |
| 18:00.51 | fdgdgdfg | wohooooooo it works! |
| 18:00.55 | fdgdgdfg | thanks guys |
| 18:00.56 | malreth | gratz |
| 18:01.04 | malreth | now |
| 18:01.09 | malreth | fdgdgdfg: we have to discuss payment |
| 18:01.16 | fdgdgdfg | ofc |
| 18:01.22 | cncfanatics | payment ? :o |
| 18:01.27 | fdgdgdfg | I wont disturb u any more |
| 18:01.29 | fdgdgdfg | cya |
| 18:01.32 | malreth | $65 per hour |
| 18:01.39 | malreth | minimum of one hour |
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| 18:01.44 | Artmi | So much for name change "I will change it soon" |
| 18:01.44 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:01.55 | cncfanatics | that guy is a , hmmmm, dick |
| 18:01.57 | malreth | fuck.... they always run |
| 18:02.36 | Artmi | I bet in a few minutes, or hours, another random-typed nick will join, and ask more questions :) |
| 18:02.42 | Artmi | probably from the same host |
| 18:05.37 | kd3 | oh, rofl |
| 18:05.43 | kd3 | I just found an alpha leaker... |
| 18:06.14 | kd3 | http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5014/dkstartinggearqd3.jpg look behind the tooltip of the "Doomsday Skullcap" in the top right |
| 18:07.00 | Fisker- | It's malu |
| 18:07.38 | Fisker- | Talk about failing |
| 18:09.06 | malreth | oh crap! |
| 18:09.16 | Gnarfoz | he had uncensored screenshots all over the place right at the beginning, when you could still trick blizz's servers into accepting your login even though your account was not alpha enabled |
| 18:09.32 | Fisker- | I disagree Gnarfoz |
| 18:09.35 | Gnarfoz | so I doubt that's his real account |
| 18:09.51 | Dashkal | kd3: um, leaker? Isn't that just some poor schlop in the party with the leaker? |
| 18:10.02 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: disagree all you want, I don't care and everyone else has you on ignore anyway :p |
| 18:10.20 | Artmi | Wonder when wotlk will be released anyway |
| 18:10.27 | Gnarfoz | "soon" |
| 18:10.28 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 18:10.36 | Artmi | aye i am familiar with blizzards "soon" :P |
| 18:10.46 | Artmi | remember back in the days, how long time D2 was delayed |
| 18:10.52 | kd3 | even then, it's a name and a place for blizz to start looking |
| 18:11.32 | Fisker- | He'll have to have used some account regardlessl |
| 18:11.35 | Fisker- | regardlessly* |
| 18:12.20 | Gnarfoz | just saying, there's better screenshots (full ones, not a compilation like that one), all with a clearly visible player frame with the old "runesword" design |
| 18:12.55 | Fisker- | old? >:O |
| 18:13.06 | kd3 | ^ |
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| 18:14.46 | Artmi | I were, right, weren't I? :P |
| 18:14.57 | fdgdgdfg | Guys I have one more question - is it possible to create virtual templates like in XML but using just LUA? |
| 18:15.03 | krka | fdgdgdfg: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? |
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| 18:15.12 | fdgdgdfg | omg |
| 18:15.23 | kd3 | it's a bot response |
| 18:15.25 | Fisker- | LUA's Used as an Acronym |
| 18:15.27 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 18:15.43 | fdgdgdfg | its such a difference between LUA and lua and Lua? |
| 18:15.48 | Artmi | sure is |
| 18:15.53 | Wikwocket | here we go :) |
| 18:15.58 | fdgdgdfg | o no plz |
| 18:16.14 | kamdis | All capitals = acronym, which Lua is not. It means "moon" in Portugese. |
| 18:16.22 | fdgdgdfg | but evry1 knows what iam talking about |
| 18:16.34 | kamdis | But we are serious business here! |
| 18:16.36 | kamdis | OMG |
| 18:16.51 | Wikwocket | Lua R SRZ BZNZ |
| 18:16.58 | Artmi | The most hilarious thing, is people asking questions related to OOP & C++, in a C programming channel |
| 18:17.01 | Artmi | it happens so darn often |
| 18:17.26 | malreth | fdgdgdfg: it's possible to create a function that programmatically creates frames. that essentially gives you templates |
| 18:17.39 | fdgdgdfg | ok |
| 18:17.49 | malreth | but there is nothing you can do in Lua to make a construct that can be used as the template argument for CreateFrame() |
| 18:18.10 | fdgdgdfg | ok I understand |
| 18:18.37 | malreth | shall i add this support incident to your existing open ticket? |
| 18:19.08 | Artmi | malreth, Don't mind doing that, his nick will probably be lost in the system, due to unreadability :) |
| 18:19.09 | Kaso | tickets ^_- |
| 18:20.48 | Artmi | What's a "va-ca-shun"? |
| 18:20.57 | Artmi | vacation?`:P |
| 18:21.19 | kamdis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.33 | Artmi | haha |
| 18:21.42 | Artmi | didn't get it at first, but then i re-read it |
| 18:21.54 | Artmi | My logical thinking isn't so good right now, been drinking a few beers |
| 18:22.06 | Lopeppeppy | Beers are also blasphemy |
| 18:25.38 | malreth | http://dieselsweeties.com/lj/catbox.jpg |
| 18:26.07 | kd3 | is it bad that I noticed the old mac in the background before the cat in that pic? |
| 18:26.15 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, kd3! |
| 18:26.46 | Artmi | kd3, just means you don't care for the living =) |
| 18:26.57 | kd3 | indeed |
| 18:31.41 | malreth | "I date like I play Tetris. Line 'em up. Score. Disappear." |
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| 18:34.34 | Lopeppeppy | malreth! |
| 18:35.15 | malreth | Lopeppeppy! |
| 18:38.48 | foxlit | ~slashdot |
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| 18:40.06 | kd3 | rofl |
| 18:41.06 | Dashkal | Yeah, this is why I like Blizzard... |
| 18:41.40 | foxlit | because Blizzard has never shipped wow with less than full content lineup :) |
| 18:41.54 | kamdis | haha |
| 18:41.56 | foxlit | I mean, it's not like Hyjal Attunement wasn't completely stalled until patched in |
| 18:42.16 | Dashkal | less than full is one thing, but man, the stuff removed is early-game |
| 18:42.28 | kd3 | 'wait, you mean kael is supposed to be /killable/?' |
| 18:42.40 | kamdis | kd3++ |
| 18:43.09 | foxlit | even if he was, the vial mechanic would've meant you would need about 3 months of farming him to enter Hyjal |
| 18:51.19 | ScytheBlade1 | "Massive content removal" from the /. summary consists of two huge capital cities and two classes |
| 18:51.44 | breser | Two capital cities sounds pretty massive to me. |
| 18:52.26 | Dashkal | four of six capitals... |
| 18:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, cutting FOUR of six, not TWO of six |
| 18:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | gg me |
| 18:53.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha, yup |
| 18:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | And as of now I can no longer moderate that discussion on /. |
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| 18:54.16 | breser | Ahh another company that didn't learn the "ship it when it is ready" mantra from Blizzard. |
| 18:54.31 | breser | And rather "We ship when marketing says we should." |
| 18:55.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The entire Warhammer playerbase will consist entirely of WoW players who are pissed at blizzard/WoW. By forcing the release date and cutting content, they aren't getting any more customers, because all of their customers will join them the moment the game releases. |
| 18:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | But, they are cutting long term viablility. |
| 18:55.41 | breser | Exactly. |
| 18:56.00 | breser | Launching faster doesn't get them anything. |
| 18:56.26 | breser | MMO's without enough content at launch tend to die very quickly. |
| 18:56.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Long term far too hypothetical statement: no game will ever dethrone WoW until the other companies push their own release dates off too. |
| 18:56.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Which, so far, none have done. |
| 18:57.01 | malreth | http://girlyyy.com/go/575 |
| 18:57.11 | breser | I'd say nobody will dethrone WoW until they worry more about building a quality and fun game than dethroning wow. |
| 18:57.39 | ScytheBlade1 | More or less exactly, yes |
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| 18:58.41 | Nechckn | breser indeed |
| 19:02.32 | Dashkal | Meh, this news bugs me. I wanted WAR to be a good game. Take the arena > all players from wow :p |
| 19:02.58 | malreth | i'm to cheap to spend the 300g each on the AH |
| 19:03.07 | malreth | s/to/too/ |
| 19:04.35 | breser | In my experience Blizzard is the most responsive MMO developer in responding to problems with their game. |
| 19:05.46 | breser | And a lot of times things I thought were stupid that they did end up working out very well. |
| 19:05.56 | Dashkal | From what I've been seeing, Funcom has been pretty responsive with AoC |
| 19:06.25 | breser | Yeah I haven't messed with AoC |
| 19:06.41 | Dashkal | New, bug city, but there's some real quality work there too. |
| 19:07.01 | malreth | and the breasts aren't even all that great |
| 19:07.10 | Dashkal | heh, that amused me for all of an hour |
| 19:07.17 | Dashkal | I play an ugly bald guy now |
| 19:07.46 | malreth | if i played AoC, i would make my character male and yeah... uggo |
| 19:07.56 | Dashkal | AoC has some very real things going for it. Not the least of which is that I find the maturity level in game to be much higher |
| 19:09.17 | Dashkal | I'll probably give it another look after it hits six months. With less bugs I could have quite a bit of fun with it. For now the bamboo stick of blocking gets on my last nerve |
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| 19:10.37 | malreth | i partied with this guy on july 4th: http://www.austinkleon.com/category/newspaper-blackout-poems/ |
| 19:11.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything I heard about AoC is that it goes from awesome to 100% broken with everything after level 20 |
| 19:12.17 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:12.20 | Dashkal | heh, after 20 did come as a shock |
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| 19:12.32 | Dashkal | 1-20 is very very cool. 20-30 is ... westfall |
| 19:12.42 | nevcairiel | i find it stupid that in a MMO the first 20 levels are instanced |
| 19:12.49 | ScytheBlade1 | A friend described AoC after level 20 by comparing it to pre-20 |
| 19:12.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Pre-20: voices for quests, amazing zones, filled with people |
| 19:13.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Post-20: nothing special in the quests, and everything is broken anyway |
| 19:13.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That's... a very very very rough overview of what he gave me, but it fits |
| 19:13.36 | Dashkal | fortunately many of the shortcommings in 20+ can be fixed with time and money |
| 19:13.50 | Nechckn | It's like the Pre and Post Searing of GuildWars |
| 19:14.05 | Dashkal | Though I'm pretty pissed with the final quest of 1-20... That fight should have been scripted |
| 19:14.07 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: with money? |
| 19:14.19 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: money to pay developers/content designers/etc |
| 19:14.23 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 19:14.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course. It's just a matter of keeping people from thinking that AoC sucks less than WoW in the mean time, though |
| 19:14.34 | Dashkal | It isn't broken, it's more incomplete |
| 19:14.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is all that AoC players really are: people who are pissed that WoW is a broken, useless game |
| 19:14.45 | nevcairiel | See, thats where most companys fail |
| 19:14.49 | nevcairiel | the have a release date |
| 19:14.52 | nevcairiel | and have to make that |
| 19:14.57 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: Negative. Wow is not broken, useless, or even bad |
| 19:15.03 | Dashkal | I play AoC |
| 19:15.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: indeed - but that doesn't stop people from thinking that it is, and likewise getting hooked on the "grass is greener" mentality |
| 19:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd say you're in the vast minority then |
| 19:15.32 | Dashkal | I'm meerly bored of wow. And that will pass with absence |
| 19:15.35 | ScytheBlade1 | (Feel free to disagree) |
| 19:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, okay. So a little bit of the "grass is greener over there" mentality |
| 19:15.54 | Dashkal | Only sorta |
| 19:15.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Not like "lulz WoW is fail, I'm off, cya!" |
| 19:15.57 | Dashkal | More like |
| 19:15.59 | Dashkal | This is new. |
| 19:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 19:16.08 | Dashkal | WotLK will be new |
| 19:16.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 19:16.13 | Dashkal | and there's no question I'll be playing again then |
| 19:16.44 | Dashkal | The only reason I don't intend to renew my AoC subscription is because I don't think it's ready. I intend to return to that one again once it is |
| 19:16.47 | Dashkal | WAR... never |
| 19:17.37 | Dashkal | Then again I might just do 1-20 with a different archetype again just because I think 1-20 was damn cool :p |
| 19:18.01 | amro | WAR is out? |
| 19:18.24 | Dashkal | amro: No. But they're cutting significant content to get out sooner |
| 19:18.32 | Dashkal | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/11/167250 |
| 19:19.08 | nevcairiel | another case of deadline on cost of the game |
| 19:19.12 | Dashkal | Man would I feel betrayed if blizz did the new talents for the missing two classes and core dumped to release in the summer... |
| 19:19.16 | nevcairiel | i hugglez blizzard for not doing that |
| 19:19.17 | amro | that's... a lot |
| 19:19.40 | amro | they should've just delayed again. we kinda got used to that |
| 19:20.05 | nevcairiel | WAR is EA? |
| 19:20.05 | Hexarobi | ouch |
| 19:20.08 | nevcairiel | No wonder then |
| 19:20.22 | Dashkal | With all the delays I was thinking that maybe just maybe they learned blizzard's lession. Long as they don't do a DNF... |
| 19:20.24 | Hexarobi | if blizz has taught us anything anticipation only sweetens the joy of a good game |
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| 19:21.09 | Dashkal | Any bets on weather DNF comes out before 3drealms bankrupts? |
| 19:21.09 | amro | they pulled out the Choppa?! insne |
| 19:21.44 | nevcairiel | Blizz has always sticked to that philosophy, and all their games were really good |
| 19:21.55 | nevcairiel | most other companys dont do that |
| 19:21.58 | nevcairiel | and theirs suck on release |
| 19:22.09 | Dashkal | yep |
| 19:22.12 | amro | hrm that brings a thought, was the LHC's construction started after DNF's announcement? |
| 19:22.21 | nevcairiel | EA is game-mass-production |
| 19:22.23 | nevcairiel | most suck |
| 19:22.30 | Dashkal | LHC? the accelerator? |
| 19:22.34 | amro | yes |
| 19:22.34 | nevcairiel | and dont get any patches or support |
| 19:22.36 | Hexarobi | ya, EA is all about the dollarsa |
| 19:22.40 | Dashkal | Oh yeah, it'll kill us all with a black hole long before DNF :p |
| 19:22.52 | amro | hehe, that's the plan at 3drealms |
| 19:22.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Soemone put EA's methods into clarity for me not long ago |
| 19:23.06 | ScytheBlade1 | "They write abandonware, what did you expect?" |
| 19:23.14 | nevcairiel | I mightve said that |
| 19:23.17 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 19:23.17 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 19:23.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Might have been you, yeah |
| 19:23.25 | malreth | idiot |
| 19:23.29 | nevcairiel | A new game every year |
| 19:23.31 | nevcairiel | same stuff |
| 19:23.33 | nevcairiel | new money |
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| 19:24.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I threw in my BF2142 disc the other day |
| 19:24.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I still enjoy it.. but... it's not like it'll ever see another patch ever again |
| 19:24.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Or any care at all |
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| 19:25.10 | ScytheBlade1 | vs. Blizzard, where hey, they're patching DECADE OLD GAMES |
| 19:25.15 | nevcairiel | wasnt 2142 fail anyway? |
| 19:25.18 | Dashkal | mmm, diablo 2 |
| 19:25.25 | nevcairiel | d2 just recently got a patch, yea |
| 19:25.27 | Dashkal | I should finish act 2 tonight |
| 19:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh to each their own, I never enjoyed 1/2 but I rather enjoyed 2142 |
| 19:25.57 | nevcairiel | I dunno, i never really played the games |
| 19:26.12 | nevcairiel | only talking from the battlefield communty where i know some people in |
| 19:26.14 | Dashkal | I want to see just how well a frozen orb/carpet lightning sorc survives in hell |
| 19:26.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean, you can only run Omaha Beach so many thousands of times in tens of hundreds of games before... you realize it was old before you started |
| 19:26.15 | nevcairiel | they sticked to 2 |
| 19:26.51 | nevcairiel | mm i should play some D2 too |
| 19:26.56 | nevcairiel | maybe start nightmare act1 |
| 19:27.37 | Dashkal | But what I really want is to get my skill up to the point where I can play a ranger :p That sounds cool to play (paladin + bow + elemental aura) |
| 19:28.26 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 19:28.39 | nevcairiel | my druid was actually starting to be fun |
| 19:29.02 | nevcairiel | all main spells on max rank already |
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| 19:29.16 | nevcairiel | only synergys missing |
| 19:30.15 | Dashkal | sweet, I do have enough points to do my build |
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| 19:30.26 | Dashkal | But I'm torn between doing the core skill or the synergy bonus first |
| 19:30.36 | Dashkal | the thing abotu synergies is the damage is 'free' -- No extra mana cost |
| 19:30.52 | nevcairiel | Sorcs spells increase mana cost? |
| 19:30.58 | Dashkal | I thing CB does |
| 19:31.13 | nevcairiel | I was actually confused that that wasnt the case for my druid spells |
| 19:31.13 | Dashkal | so once you have enough bolts, the damage from synergies gives more damage per mana |
| 19:31.18 | nevcairiel | but then again i havent played in ages |
| 19:31.37 | Dashkal | But it'll be 20 by the end. I want sheet lightning :p |
| 19:32.26 | Dashkal | confirmed. both lightning and charged bolt have more mana cost per rank |
| 19:32.40 | nevcairiel | charged bolt was always crazy to play with |
| 19:32.50 | Dashkal | not badly so. a top rank CB takes up just over twice the mana of a rank 1 |
| 19:32.57 | Dashkal | so by the time I get to hell, it won't matter |
| 19:33.02 | nevcairiel | true |
| 19:33.18 | Dashkal | I've never done a CB sorc. My last one was a cookie cutter elementalist |
| 19:33.28 | Dashkal | Now I'm just playing what looks cool :p |
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| 19:41.13 | Industrial | sorc? elementalist? |
| 19:41.16 | Industrial | do i smell daoc? |
| 19:41.32 | nevcairiel | d2! |
| 19:41.54 | Industrial | oh well daoc had those classes too ;p |
| 19:41.58 | Industrial | along with 30 others >_> |
| 19:42.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not sure what is worse - that I have 273 posts on slashdot, that I have >95% fairness raiting on my moderations, or that it's almost trivial to get multiple posts up to +5 |
| 19:43.19 | Industrial | or that you care about ratings \o/ |
| 19:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 19:45.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap a simple testcase for the memory allocation block errors |
| 19:45.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903743582&sid=1 |
| 19:45.59 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, and now that I look at it, that makes sense. |
| 19:50.27 | Industrial | I'm wondering |
| 19:50.44 | Industrial | if you know that at some point in time an ability is just in range |
| 19:51.01 | Industrial | and you move at a certain speed (say directly at your target) |
| 19:51.11 | Industrial | can you make a scale of distance? |
| 19:53.17 | Kalroth | ScytheBlade1: haha, did you see the reply :p |
| 19:53.23 | Kalroth | "There needs to be a way to either manually or automatically free memory used up by UI elements." |
| 19:53.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 19:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I just replied to that ;) |
| 19:54.16 | Kalroth | Why would you create a texture more than once anyways >< |
| 19:54.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That makes me wonder if there's some bug in some Ace lib that is causing that error though |
| 19:54.55 | Wikwocket | for compliance with the Department of Redundancy Department's requirements |
| 19:55.01 | ScytheBlade1 | (In the cases of the other people getting that error) |
| 19:55.29 | Kalroth | Blizzard should change CreateTexture() to check the existing textures and if there's an identical one, then just return that one ;P |
| 19:56.02 | ScytheBlade1 | How do you define identical though? |
| 19:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | And at what point do you define identical? |
| 19:56.18 | Kalroth | A simple 64bit MD5 of the data should do |
| 19:56.41 | malreth | !api CreateTexture |
| 19:56.42 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'CreateTexture'. |
| 19:57.20 | Kalroth | If you got two pieces of graphical data and their 64bit checksum is the same, then I'm willing to bet it's the same data. :) |
| 19:57.21 | Fisker- | You can control the size of the hash Kalroth? |
| 19:58.34 | Kalroth | mm, I'm pretty sure, yeah |
| 19:58.46 | Kalroth | MD5 is usually 128 bit, but there's 64 and 32 bit variants too |
| 19:59.13 | Kalroth | or maybe I'm mixing the hashes up |
| 19:59.33 | malreth | i don't think it's necessary for blizzard to check for a developer gone wild with CheckTexture() |
| 19:59.34 | Dashkal | I think sha is the configurable one |
| 20:00.11 | Kalroth | malreth: Of course not, but it'd be a fairly simple mechanism to enforce shared textures :) |
| 20:00.17 | malreth | you're just going to be slowing it down needlessly for the generally common case |
| 20:00.35 | Kalroth | uhm, slow it down how? |
| 20:01.01 | malreth | it's gotta compute a unique identifier for each texture |
| 20:01.29 | Kalroth | Sure, but you're not meant to use CreateTexture() in OnUpdate() :) |
| 20:01.37 | malreth | yeah. |
| 20:01.44 | malreth | therefore don't do that |
| 20:02.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Which brings me to my second question |
| 20:02.51 | ScytheBlade1 | When do you define it as identical? |
| 20:02.53 | malreth | the object returned by CreateTexture() is mutable |
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| 20:03.13 | ScytheBlade1 | What if someone intended to create 20 identical textures and arrange them in a grid? How would you define them as identical or not? |
| 20:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And /when/ would that take place? |
| 20:04.05 | malreth | hooray for Cairenn! |
| 20:04.14 | Kalroth | Wouldn't it be smarter to paint the same texture 20 times, if they're identical anyways? |
| 20:04.40 | malreth | Kalroth: internally, the game probably already only loads a texmap once |
| 20:04.45 | malreth | but that's not the issue |
| 20:04.52 | Kalroth | oh right, it's Create, not Set |
| 20:04.54 | malreth | the issue is the creation of multiple texture objects in C |
| 20:04.59 | Kalroth | Yeah, my bad |
| 20:05.05 | malreth | it's cool |
| 20:05.09 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 20:05.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I was curious how you could tell one CreateTexture() to be identical to another ;) |
| 20:05.33 | ScytheBlade1 | And you can likewise see how my "when" question applies |
| 20:05.36 | Kalroth | That's still fairly easy though :P |
| 20:05.52 | Kalroth | It's also totally pointless, so kinda moot |
| 20:07.59 | Kalroth | Quartz got a memory leak then! It creates a texture everytime you enable it! |
| 20:08.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:09.45 | Kalroth | Hrm, OmniCC seems to create a texture everytime it has to show a cooldown pulse |
| 20:09.52 | Kalroth | that's a lot of textures over the evening |
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| 20:10.07 | malreth | ~seen tuller |
| 20:10.11 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@c-76-27-160-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 2d 22h 29m 30s ago, saying: 'cook dinner? :)'. |
| 20:11.40 | malreth | how come my authenticator isn't here yet? |
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| 20:16.41 | cogwheel | malreth: when'd you order? |
| 20:16.56 | malreth | this morning |
| 20:17.12 | malreth | you know me so well |
| 20:19.36 | cogwheel | I ordered mine 8-10 business days ago |
| 20:22.38 | Fisker- | i has ordered one cogwheel ! |
| 20:22.44 | Fisker- | Blizzard finally cared about EU people :O |
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| 20:23.19 | Fisker- | ahhaha |
| 20:23.24 | Fisker- | this guy is a moron |
| 20:23.29 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903643607&postId=79027739276&sid=1#7 |
| 20:23.57 | Fisker- | So of course there he accepts the post, and even acknowledges their great service |
| 20:24.05 | Fisker- | where he on the EU forums has been told the same thing basically |
| 20:24.17 | Codex| | is there an addonb that allows a banktoon to calculate how much of a certain item the main char needs, and picks it out of the bank for you? lets say i want to keep 20 of all reagents on my main, but my backup reserves are on the alt in the gbank |
| 20:24.20 | Fisker- | And then he started making like 3-4 other topics on different alt accounts |
| 20:25.02 | kd3 | lol |
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| 20:27.42 | Shaone | Has anyone done any tinkering with the "DISPLAY_SIZE_CHANGED" event? |
| 20:27.46 | Shaone | I can't seem to get it to fire. |
| 20:30.59 | malreth | wowcompares.com needs to have a search |
| 20:30.59 | cncfanatics | Shaone: shld trigger when the resolution or the viewport changes ? |
| 20:31.28 | malreth | that way you could type in DISPLAY_SIZE_CHANGED and find every file that has that event in it |
| 20:31.30 | Shaone | I haven't tried adjusting my monitor resolution, but I did resize the WoW window both manually and through the in-game video settings and neither fire the event. |
| 20:31.41 | cncfanatics | try resizing the viewport ? |
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| 20:31.53 | Shaone | Not sure what you mean by viewport? |
| 20:32.02 | cncfanatics | the area of the screen which has 3d graphics on it |
| 20:32.03 | malreth | the WorldFrame |
| 20:32.10 | cncfanatics | resize the worldframe |
| 20:32.17 | cncfanatics | if that dsnt fire it, nothing will |
| 20:32.22 | Shaone | How do I do that? |
| 20:33.28 | malreth | if you don't want to do it yourself in lua, you can get an addon like CT_Viewport to do it for you |
| 20:34.21 | Shaone | I've never resized the viewport so I have no idea how, that's why I ask. |
| 20:35.10 | malreth | have you resized other frames in lua using SetPoint() ? |
| 20:35.40 | Shaone | No, I haven't done much with manipulating the UI |
| 20:36.27 | Shaone | I'll go grab that CT addon |
| 20:36.37 | kamdis | ctmod.net |
| 20:37.11 | Shaone | mhm |
| 20:39.46 | malreth | interesting... only three frames in Blizzard's UI even use DISPLAY_SIZE_CHANGED |
| 20:39.59 | malreth | the PaperDollFrame, PetStable, and PetPaperDollFrame |
| 20:40.14 | Shaone | I assume resizing the WoW window manually won't effect those? |
| 20:40.58 | malreth | it seems to only matter for PlayerModel type frames |
| 20:41.27 | Shaone | I'm just trying to determine when the WoW window is resized by dragging the corners or whatever |
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| 20:42.24 | Shaone | Yea using CT_Viewport doesn't fire the event. |
| 20:42.33 | malreth | all three frames respond to the event by calling RefreshUnit() on the playermodel frame |
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| 20:42.54 | cncfanatics | must have something to do with playermodels then |
| 20:43.02 | malreth | no kidding! |
| 20:43.35 | Shaone | Well that's kind of a misleading event name :( |
| 20:43.35 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: D2 refuses to run on my vista, halp! |
| 20:43.46 | malreth | Shaone: based on my investigation, DISPLAY_SIZE_CHANGED probably isn't what you want |
| 20:43.56 | Shaone | Right |
| 20:44.07 | Shaone | I appreciate you looking into it for me, malreth |
| 20:44.11 | laeg | is there any generally accepted order in which a rogue should buy there arena items after mainhand, offhand or is it just whichever piece of armour had the greatest advantage over your current armour in that slot? |
| 20:44.33 | Shaone | I can't seem to find any other event that would fire after the WoW window changes size. |
| 20:44.38 | cogwheel | Shaone: I'm pretty sure the UI is not aware of changes like that. The UI is scaled up to compensate for the change in resolution. |
| 20:45.30 | cogwheel | might be able to check something in an OnUpdate script (appropriately throttled, of course :P ) |
| 20:46.11 | malreth | wasn't there an event or something that gets fired when the UI scale changes? |
| 20:47.32 | cogwheel | perhaps, but since it's not actually changing a setting, it's quite possible it won't |
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| 20:48.15 | kamdis | so malreth? what *is* the guy's problem whose WTf folder is stuck on read-only? |
| 20:48.30 | malreth | dunno. |
| 20:48.41 | malreth | but in windows, all folders have the read only flag set |
| 20:48.53 | kamdis | huh |
| 20:48.55 | cogwheel | umm |
| 20:49.00 | cogwheel | kamdis: |
| 20:49.01 | cogwheel | ~malreth |
| 20:49.02 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 20:49.07 | cogwheel | damn you purl_ |
| 20:49.11 | cogwheel | ~malreth |
| 20:49.11 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 20:49.19 | malreth | no, i'm right on this one... for reals |
| 20:49.19 | cogwheel | ~literal malreth |
| 20:49.20 | purl | "malreth" is "(<reply>never take malreth seriously|<reply>malreth is always right)" |
| 20:49.33 | malreth | get properties on any random folder on your windows box |
| 20:49.36 | malreth | any one |
| 20:49.41 | malreth | look at the read only attribute |
| 20:49.58 | kamdis | Oh I know, cogwheel. I just thought he actually knew what the problem was and wasn't telling the guy. That would also be "a malreth". ;-) |
| 20:50.05 | malreth | actually, it's got that wierd third status thing set |
| 20:50.12 | cogwheel | yeah. that's not really set |
| 20:50.25 | cogwheel | means it's read-only for some users afaik |
| 20:50.33 | malreth | cogwheel: exactly |
| 20:50.34 | kamdis | I see. |
| 20:50.49 | kamdis | Well I'm stumped. He's either lying or a moron. |
| 20:50.57 | kamdis | Or both. |
| 20:51.04 | malreth | well, they see the square inside the checkbox and assume that means checked |
| 20:51.22 | kamdis | mareth: that'd be the moron bit. |
| 20:52.01 | kamdis | I've had 2 really bad threads in the last day, where I've given out a ton of information and they just won't get it. I'm a bit jaded right now. |
| 20:52.06 | malreth | i'd be more willing to say that the UI is fscking misleading |
| 20:52.36 | kamdis | True. |
| 20:53.22 | cogwheel | it's a consistent convention, it's just not applicable in so many situations that people aren't necessarily familiar with it |
| 20:53.52 | malreth | even if the folder itself is actually truly marked read-only, it means nothing to the files inside of the folder |
| 20:54.42 | malreth | you can create and edit and save files inside of a read-only attributed folder |
| 20:56.33 | malreth | cogwheel: actually, i don't even thing they're using the tri-state in a consistent manner |
| 20:57.07 | malreth | a tri-state means that some of the contents have a true state and others have a false state |
| 20:57.28 | malreth | for whatever definition of 'contents' makes sense for the UI element |
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| 20:58.01 | cogwheel | I've always just seen it as sort of a superposition of states regardless of whether it's the contents, the object itself, or your mom |
| 20:58.03 | malreth | in the case of a folder, the tri-state 'should' indicate that some of the contents inside are read-only while others are read-write |
| 20:58.26 | Fisker- | cogwheel is my friend |
| 20:58.41 | cogwheel | not really... the "contents" of the read only attribute could be a list of users to whom the read only attribute applies |
| 20:58.51 | Fisker- | [22:58:25] <Fisker-> cogwheel is my friend |
| 20:58.51 | Fisker- | [22:58:40] <+cogwheel> not really... |
| 20:58.52 | Fisker- | waaah |
| 20:58.55 | malreth | in in the dictionary under "sex machine" except when i'm under your mom |
| 20:58.58 | Fisker- | you wound me |
| 20:59.18 | cogwheel | s/not/malreth: not/ |
| 20:59.25 | cogwheel | happy Fisker-? :P |
| 20:59.46 | Fisker- | of course |
| 20:59.58 | malreth | but a user looking at a properties panel would likely only be interested in the states of read-only that apply to them |
| 21:00.12 | malreth | especially on a properties panel that makes no mention of other users |
| 21:00.31 | malreth | especially on a properties panel that has a separate tab for such states of permissions |
| 21:00.45 | malreth | but it would take user testing to know for sure |
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| 21:03.37 | kd3 | ugh. HCI is an absolute pain |
| 21:03.59 | kd3 | just lemme build the backend... don't make me design the gui |
| 21:06.24 | malreth | relevant phrase for today: "What we have here... Is a failure to ACTIVATE." |
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| 21:09.36 | cogwheel | you got civil war stuck in my head |
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| 21:11.08 | Fisker- | lets start world war 1 cogwheel |
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| 21:12.12 | malreth | ~piggy Tuller |
| 21:12.12 | purl | ACTION distracts Tuller with a giant pig. |
| 21:12.27 | Tuller | hrm? |
| 21:12.38 | malreth | you are distracted now |
| 21:16.18 | Tuller | perhaps |
| 21:20.00 | malreth | at least one person has both Kansas and Evanescence stuck in their head... bouncing from one song to another |
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| 21:25.21 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px9jcA4decA |
| 21:25.36 | malreth | i want to try this now |
| 21:27.20 | amro | with or without the terrible music? |
| 21:27.34 | malreth | i have my speakers turned off here |
| 21:27.46 | malreth | probably without |
| 21:27.52 | malreth | if it is indeed terribad |
| 21:28.56 | malreth | the month of thread necros continues... imazing! |
| 21:29.39 | kamdis | I thought at first that was because search was working but just showing really old results. Now I'm not so sure. |
| 21:29.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm? |
| 21:29.58 | ScytheBlade1 | OH THAT'S RIGHT |
| 21:30.03 | ScytheBlade1 | The most annoying macros thread |
| 21:30.09 | ScytheBlade1 | AFK RICKROLLING MY SERVER |
| 21:30.15 | malreth | i liked that one |
| 21:30.18 | kd3 | forum search has been busted for a while. I always wind up getting old results first |
| 21:30.38 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: yup... something tells me someone swapped a DESC with an ASC in a query, or the other way around |
| 21:32.05 | malreth | "What's a query?" "Seymour, did that developer just ask, 'What's a query?'" "No. He asked, "What's that theory?'" |
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| 21:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | This will either work amazingly well, or backfire and I'll just get laughed at |
| 21:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | In either case, the chat log is rolling |
| 21:35.12 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha bam 10 people in seconds |
| 21:36.46 | malreth | ScytheBlade1: i applaud you, sir |
| 21:37.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll post the chat log once I'm done |
| 21:37.01 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: No idea :( I can poke at it tonight when I get at a vista box again if you don't have any luck, though |
| 21:37.13 | nevcairiel | fixed it now |
| 21:37.36 | malreth | it's frikkin cold here.... BURRRR!!! |
| 21:38.15 | ScytheBlade1 | [7. Trade] [Varithorn]: I JUST GOT RICKROLLED |
| 21:39.05 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: what did you have to do? |
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| 21:39.36 | nevcairiel | Oh it turned out it wasnt specifcially a D2 problem |
| 21:39.52 | nevcairiel | i have this issue with my TFT, that on low resolutions windows thinks it can run 75hz |
| 21:39.57 | nevcairiel | but in fact, it can only do 60 |
| 21:40.00 | nevcairiel | so it screwed u |
| 21:40.02 | nevcairiel | *up |
| 21:40.09 | nevcairiel | had to find a refresh rate fix for vista :) |
| 21:40.34 | Dashkal | ahh, that would do it in a hurry |
| 21:41.15 | ScytheBlade1 | [W:From] [Mefistafoles]: dork |
| 21:41.22 | ScytheBlade1 | This is working out better than I thought |
| 21:41.33 | nevcairiel | what did you do to rick-roll them? |
| 21:41.46 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.52 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.56 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:42.09 | nevcairiel | simple but yet effective |
| 21:42.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Protip: if it's too good to be true, it probably is! |
| 21:43.17 | kamdis | You know, that's usually true. But I got 4 blue items in AoC from someone free who was yelling about it in General Chat. No one believed, but I figured why not give it a shot. |
| 21:43.20 | kamdis | you never know! |
| 21:43.27 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:43.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It's fine, I've got /chatlog enabled |
| 21:43.38 | ScytheBlade1 | This shall be posted once I am done |
| 21:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | And now, off to AV |
| 21:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Whee AV queue popped |
| 21:48.00 | kamdis | You are a very warped person, ScytheBlade1. <3 |
| 21:48.19 | ScytheBlade1 | WEAK |
| 21:48.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Only one person in a full AV |
| 21:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Talk about depressing |
| 21:48.30 | amro | that's the best thing that's ever happened in [Trade] |
| 21:51.19 | foxlit | you can't trade gold in battlegrounds |
| 21:51.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 21:51.23 | foxlit | so your offer was clearly flawed |
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| 21:52.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually it's dependant on people being stupid |
| 21:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is never a flaw |
| 21:54.53 | foxlit | That was a truly stupid statement :) |
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| 21:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol whoops |
| 21:58.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I kinda had the DND message up |
| 21:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ... when the GM answered my ticket.. |
| 22:00.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet, my first bit of emo |
| 22:00.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/91172 |
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| 22:02.19 | cncfanatics | ScytheBlade1: what was ur DND ? |
| 22:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | cncfanatics: |
| 22:02.57 | ScytheBlade1 | 7/11 15:33:36.257 You are now DND: We're no strangers to love, you know the rules, and so do I / A full commitment's what I'm thinking of, you wouldn't get this from any other guy / I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling, wanna make you understand! Never gonna give you up.... |
| 22:05.15 | cncfanatics | meh |
| 22:05.19 | cncfanatics | I'm going to bed then, g'night |
| 22:05.23 | ScytheBlade1 | night |
| 22:05.24 | cogwheel | nn |
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| 22:12.10 | ScytheBlade1 | There we are |
| 22:12.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/91173 |
| 22:14.34 | kd3 | lol |
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| 22:16.24 | nevcairiel | lol that last guy |
| 22:16.31 | kamdis | I love that the fruit vendor's nemesis is yelling in the middle of that log |
| 22:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I cut out everything else, but left that in there intentionally |
| 22:16.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Everyone loves the fruit vendor |
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| 22:17.56 | kamdis | That Berkus guy is quite clever, and with a good story to boot. |
| 22:18.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that was a screenshot going around some time ago |
| 22:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Here we are |
| 22:19.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blog.linux.gen.nz/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/nevergonna.jpg |
| 22:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Fear the orcroll |
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| 22:21.13 | kamdis | that's epic. how id di miss that? |
| 22:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Couldn't tell you, hehe |
| 22:21.26 | kamdis | s/id di/did i |
| 22:21.35 | kamdis | well thank you |
| 22:21.41 | kamdis | that's bookmarked now :) |
| 22:21.45 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, no kidding |
| 22:22.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm half tempted to make a gnomeroll |
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| 22:22.15 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's very hard for a single person to do :( |
| 22:22.27 | cogwheel | i'd help |
| 22:22.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 22:22.37 | cogwheel | and i'm sure my wife would too :P |
| 22:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe |
| 22:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 22:22.40 | kamdis | i'll help :) |
| 22:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | If we can get enough people that'd be awesome |
| 22:22.56 | foxlit | Hm |
| 22:22.57 | nevcairiel | I would, but i dont have a US account |
| 22:23.06 | foxlit | tex = GetMacroIconInfo(j) |
| 22:23.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid US/EU boundaries :( |
| 22:23.21 | foxlit | having tex, translate into j -- the only way would be to iterate through them? |
| 22:23.37 | amro | I remember a while back there were a bunch of gnome corpses on a brazier in IF called "crackle", "pop", etc |
| 22:23.38 | ZealotOnAStick | Wheee. |
| 22:23.40 | cogwheel | pretty sure, yeah |
| 22:23.57 | cogwheel | ZealotOnAStick: NO U! |
| 22:24.09 | ZealotOnAStick | Our new updater is -close- to being ready for limited beta release. Just need people to update their addons on curse/curseforge more recently. :/ |
| 22:24.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to head out for a bit, but I might bring it back up in a few hours |
| 22:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | If people want to then, this could be amazingly entertaining, if not amazingly stupid |
| 22:25.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Anywho |
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| 22:26.04 | kd3 | fark: [Obvious] Train continues its undefeated streak in the long running grudge match: train vs truck |
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| 22:30.57 | amro | I try to kill YIM, and explorer goes poof. I didn't know it was possible for taskmngr to miss and kill the wrong process |
| 22:31.26 | foxlit | it's generally not :) |
| 22:32.17 | amro | yes, but one can still hope that one day, microsoft's computers will turn against them |
| 22:33.32 | Maldivia | that would be a sad sad day for tech support... |
| 22:34.15 | amro | oh no, that means the computers will actually work properly |
| 22:34.17 | amro | :) |
| 22:35.31 | foxlit | "function at line 683 has more than 60 upvalues" |
| 22:36.24 | foxlit | That's a new one. |
| 22:37.45 | cogwheel | O.O |
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| 22:38.46 | cogwheel | that's amazingly arbitrary... |
| 22:39.25 | cogwheel | worse than the C stack limit imo (which the comments even admit to being arbitrary) |
| 22:44.40 | amro | how much is the stack limit? |
| 22:44.51 | cogwheel | 2048 by default, 4096 in wow |
| 22:45.13 | cogwheel | they raised it because people were hitting it previously |
| 22:47.39 | cogwheel | the annoying part about it is that it only applies to the C API. Lua functions can fill up all available ram with stack entries |
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| 22:59.05 | laeg | is there any generally accepted order in which a rogue should buy there arena items after mainhand, offhand or is it just whichever piece of armour had the greatest advantage over your current armour in that slot? |
| 22:59.19 | laeg | s/had/has |
| 23:00.10 | laeg | it seems to make sense that if i upgrade the gear in the same order each time throughout the seasons i will make best use of them |
| 23:00.46 | laeg | i.e i make my mongoose enchant the most worth while if i get weapons first each time |
| 23:00.58 | cogwheel | i can't think of any logical reason that you wouldn't upgrade your worst gear first... (after weapons, of course) |
| 23:01.41 | laeg | ya that would be my first inclination but then i wonder if i should consider time to live |
| 23:02.04 | laeg | especially where enchants and gems are concerned |
| 23:02.29 | cogwheel | time to live is emotional |
| 23:02.39 | cogwheel | not logical ;) |
| 23:03.02 | cogwheel | unless you're short on cash for gems |
| 23:04.02 | cogwheel | but if you keep doing worst first, you're not going to overlap the same piece in a single season |
| 23:04.23 | amro | go for sexiest gear first |
| 23:06.23 | Dashkal | cogwheel: regarding secure templates and the radial menu idea. Can I have a button that drives the state change to show the radials on mouse enter and cast a spell (with no state change) on click? Or should I have an invisible button do the mouse enter bit? |
| 23:15.25 | cogwheel | if you inherit both secureanchorentertemplate and secureactionbuttontemplate it should be able to do both |
| 23:16.17 | Dashkal | From the secure template chapter, I'm not seing how to map actions to state changes independantly (newstate appears to be triggered 'somehow') |
| 23:17.36 | cogwheel | actually, for that arrangement, you'd probably need to pop up another button above the enter button |
| 23:17.55 | cogwheel | the popped up button would be a child of the same header as the radial buttons |
| 23:18.11 | cogwheel | and would have its action set based on the state given by choosing one of the radial buttons |
| 23:18.34 | Dashkal | ahh, gotcha. so a button that looks just like the anchor would appear above the anchor |
| 23:18.42 | cogwheel | or invisible even |
| 23:19.07 | Dashkal | I was thinking of using a delayed state change with delayhover to turn them off, or turn it off forcibly on click. will this trick interfere with that? |
| 23:19.49 | cogwheel | don't think so |
| 23:21.58 | Dashkal | alrighty. I am so going to have to write myself a state diagram before I attempt to code this :p |
| 23:22.16 | Dashkal | esp since state names are numeric... |
| 23:25.13 | cogwheel | Dashkal: you can use strings for state names |
| 23:25.28 | cogwheel | cogsbar uses states like ctrl0-alt1-stance4 |
| 23:25.33 | Dashkal | oh thank god... |
| 23:26.04 | cogwheel | I've also pondered using bitlib to compress the states into bitfields using named constants |
| 23:26.10 | cogwheel | then they remain numeric |
| 23:26.19 | Dashkal | Cause if I ever turn this into a general-purpose thing I'm gonna want to make states that are concatenated strings... buttonX-visisble and such |
| 23:26.40 | Dashkal | That's exactly the kind of thing I was thinking of to keep em numeric |
| 23:26.51 | Dashkal | first couple bits for button number, a bit for visibility, etc |
| 23:28.18 | cog|omwhome | gl :) |
| 23:28.34 | Dashkal | it's for fun, gives me something to do on the weekend |
| 23:30.32 | Dashkal | ~wowprogramming |
| 23:30.33 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
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