| 00:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | mmhmm |
| 00:00.51 | Cralor` | why does it show 100/100 for a player's health |
| 00:01.14 | Cralor` | but there mana is freely available |
| 00:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Because that's what UnitHealth() is returning? |
| 00:01.32 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't have access to any hard health numbers except for your own and those in your party |
| 00:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | !api UnitHealth |
| 00:01.42 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'UnitHealth' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitHealth |
| 00:04.21 | Cralor` | oh it's a percent. still useful =) |
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| 00:09.21 | Cralor` | lol |
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| 00:11.10 | Cralor` | Scythe: how do i make text colored? |
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| 00:12.54 | Atriace | Wow.. what's with the mass exodus? |
| 00:13.19 | Nechckn | Freenode server restart |
| 00:13.36 | Thunder_Child | " notice from dmwaters: {global notice} Good day all, I have a fairly large rotation server that needs to be restarted, about 6000 users. This won't take long, but it will be a bit noisey. I apologize for the inconvenience. Thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!" |
| 00:13.56 | Nechckn | bah.. I was just coming to paste that, too |
| 00:14.08 | Thunder_Child | slow Nechckn, slow |
| 00:14.11 | Nechckn | That Thunder_Child is quick on the paster, I tell ya! |
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| 00:14.47 | Esamynn | those of us who were on the server had hours of warning |
| 00:14.54 | Esamynn | we were just being lazy ;) |
| 00:15.28 | Cralor` | how can i color text? |
| 00:16.13 | Esamynn | with a crayon! |
| 00:16.32 | Cralor` | lol =p |
| 00:16.58 | Cralor` | like the Ace2 color |
| 00:17.11 | Cralor` | where can i find the code for that? |
| 00:17.15 | Esamynn | i'm just trying to find a useful resource for it |
| 00:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Try googling "site:wowwiki.com color text" and see what happens. |
| 00:18.28 | Cralor` | dur... yea i found a small amount of info. i'll see what i can come up with, thanks |
| 00:18.59 | Esamynn | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences ahh ha, there we go |
| 00:19.56 | wereHamster | |3 |
| 00:19.57 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 00:19.59 | ScytheBlade1 | wereHamster wins |
| 00:20.34 | ScytheBlade1 | | is the escape character, as compared to <3 |
| 00:21.00 | Thunder_Child | geeks |
| 00:21.07 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 00:21.26 | Esamynn | ... |
| 00:22.33 | Cralor` | so if i wanted to color something green would i end it with |g? |
| 00:22.38 | Nechckn | Wasn't someone saying that Maglo is not loved by the big, bad Blizzard? |
| 00:22.56 | breser | I don't think Blizzard has said anything about it yet. |
| 00:23.09 | Esamynn | Cralor`: did you read the my link? |
| 00:23.09 | wereHamster | Cralor`: or |r |
| 00:23.13 | Lunessa | Blizzard is evil! They steal all ur free time and makes it so u dont git de wimmins. |
| 00:23.15 | breser | But it seems to be inspecting memory of the client to find out info about the character. |
| 00:23.24 | breser | Which is a nono... |
| 00:23.34 | Cralor` | yea i am reading. the example was red. so i thought u change the letter based on color >< lol |
| 00:23.44 | Esamynn | no |
| 00:23.45 | Nechckn | hmm... odd- then I'll leave it alone |
| 00:23.49 | Cralor` | i know :D |
| 00:23.50 | ScytheBlade1 | breser: yup. and like most hacks and other programs against the ToU, I doubt they'll ever say anything. |
| 00:23.51 | wereHamster | there is an example for red text as well |
| 00:23.54 | Esamynn | read the page again Cralor` |
| 00:23.54 | Nechckn | I was semi-tempted to give it a shot |
| 00:24.06 | Cralor` | I know Esamynn. it's always |r |
| 00:24.10 | wereHamster | err.. for blue and green |
| 00:24.13 | Esamynn | no |
| 00:24.22 | Cralor` | =( dang |
| 00:24.37 | breser | Realistically it's not really harming anything so they may just ignore it. |
| 00:24.38 | Esamynn | |r resets the colour of the text that comes after it |
| 00:24.42 | Cralor` | but |r resets it |
| 00:24.43 | Cralor` | yea |
| 00:24.51 | Cralor` | doesn't that always work? |
| 00:25.03 | Cralor` | it "ends" the coloring |
| 00:25.06 | Esamynn | yes |
| 00:25.13 | breser | It's certainly not doing anything that an addon couldn't export via lua that I've seen. |
| 00:25.21 | Esamynn | sorry, I thought you were talking about the start |
| 00:26.00 | Lunessa | I rather expect they will never say anything (They = Blizzard) but the ban-hammer will fall, and some folks will be butt-sore. |
| 00:26.09 | Cralor` | hehe it's ok. |
| 00:27.19 | ScytheBlade1 | breser: which is why the topic gets maddening. They could write a very simple addon and not break the rules, but they insist upon breaking the rules. |
| 00:27.34 | breser | Lunessa: Kinda like the win traders in arena. :) |
| 00:27.36 | ScytheBlade1 | breser: Blizzard isn't SoE, they can tell and they do care |
| 00:27.51 | Lunessa | *nod* |
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| 00:28.06 | breser | Hey I'm not using the thing or advocating that anyone should. |
| 00:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just throwing that out there, heh |
| 00:28.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Sorry if that came across as accusatory |
| 00:28.35 | breser | But if I was Blizzard it'd be low on my list of hacks to get on people about. |
| 00:28.53 | breser | I can think of a number of things that do impact gameplay that they should ban people for. |
| 00:29.02 | ScytheBlade1 | It's also amazingly trivial to "find" as compared to hacks that actively work against the blizzard scans |
| 00:29.05 | breser | *cough*automacro*cough* |
| 00:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | breser: broken in 2.4.3 |
| 00:29.31 | JoshBorke | wtf is automacro? |
| 00:29.42 | breser | If you don't know don't ask, it's not important. |
| 00:29.46 | Cralor` | i don't think you want to know |
| 00:29.48 | ScytheBlade1 | JoshBorke: addon that exploits a known hole to break the ToU. |
| 00:29.50 | Cralor` | =) |
| 00:30.24 | breser | The knowledge base hack comes to mind too. Which I'm pretty sure is also fixed in 2.4.3 |
| 00:30.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 00:30.58 | breser | The bazillion people fish botting. /sigh |
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| 00:33.03 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 00:33.37 | JoshBorke | is the exploit patch described in the patch notes? |
| 00:33.45 | breser | No |
| 00:33.54 | Dashkal | automacro... about the only way to fix that "hole" would be to make wow a console game... |
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| 00:37.04 | bleeter | kd3: gief me your fuse wrt XFCE & Thunar infos now! :P |
| 00:37.29 | kd3 | hm? |
| 00:38.24 | bleeter | are you using user space file system (fuse) stuff on XFCE? gvfs does a bunch of this stuff natively through .. erm.. gvfs, figured I should just use fuse instead, was just hoping you had some howto URL :P |
| 00:38.33 | kd3 | nope |
| 00:38.47 | bleeter | bummer ... you're a useless waste of space then :P |
| 00:38.48 | Dashkal | gvfs is using fuse... |
| 00:38.51 | kd3 | lol |
| 00:39.02 | Dashkal | that's how it gets it onto the filesystem |
| 00:39.20 | JoshBorke | hrm, i just don't understand the automacro stuff |
| 00:39.29 | JoshBorke | it appears to be updating macro texts in combat |
| 00:39.30 | bleeter | Dashkal: gnome, thru gvfs, give funky UI to set stuffs up. XFCE (and others) don't have such niceities so has to be set up manually (afaik) |
| 00:39.37 | Dashkal | As I discovered the hard way, if you don't have access to fuse on your account, gvfs cannot mount to the filesystem and only gnome apps can use it |
| 00:41.10 | JoshBorke | oh, ok |
| 00:41.14 | JoshBorke | well that's just stupid |
| 00:41.17 | Dashkal | bleeter: well, you could always install gvfs itself under your XFCE box :p |
| 00:41.33 | JoshBorke | shit that happens outside of wow is stupid |
| 00:42.00 | Dashkal | I'm not a fan of Blizzard's position that they own your computer when their code is running... |
| 00:42.35 | kd3 | which is why I play in wine |
| 00:42.42 | bleeter | I'm not a fan of not being allowed to own the OS you bought from the store when you said 'I want to buy Windows plsk' |
| 00:42.44 | Dashkal | kd3 more and more tempted |
| 00:42.45 | kd3 | they can do whatever they want to the wineserver instance. the rest of the computer is mine |
| 00:43.14 | Dashkal | But give it time and warden will try to break out of that "sandbox" so they can "watch for cheaters" |
| 00:43.26 | Dashkal | Above statement borne of my own personal paranoia |
| 00:43.30 | bleeter | I Wine for casual play, still go back to Win32 for full on raiding |
| 00:43.54 | Dashkal | Is linux's ntfs support up to running wine native off my windows drive? |
| 00:44.00 | Dashkal | erm, wow under wine |
| 00:44.02 | JoshBorke | Dashkal: yes, but you will cry |
| 00:44.10 | bleeter | meh, wait for open source 3d accelerated virtual machines, and they'll have ... ;) |
| 00:44.15 | JoshBorke | Dashkal: i did it and it was super duper slow |
| 00:44.24 | Dashkal | yech, thanks for the warning |
| 00:44.24 | JoshBorke | Dashkal: switched to rsync'ing before and after every wow session |
| 00:44.28 | Dashkal | maybe a fat32 shared drive |
| 00:44.39 | Dashkal | vfat is nice and fast |
| 00:44.56 | Dashkal | mmm, that's an option too |
| 00:45.01 | kd3 | gah. power nearly blinked |
| 00:45.01 | kd3 | bye |
| 00:45.01 | bleeter | install wow on a fat32 memory stick |
| 00:45.09 | Dashkal | meep, later, kd3 |
| 00:45.12 | bleeter | then just move the memory stick around |
| 00:45.35 | Dashkal | eh, solid state is pretty slow all by itself (though I suppose wow doesn't write all that much) |
| 00:45.47 | bleeter | USB2's more than fine for WoW |
| 00:45.55 | Dashkal | I can download faster than I can write to a usb key... |
| 00:46.00 | bleeter | if you've got 1394 or eSata, you'll be laughing |
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| 00:46.41 | JoshBorke | can anyone tell me WHY my videos are coming out purlpe? |
| 00:46.45 | JoshBorke | it's very upsetting |
| 00:46.52 | bleeter | the only writes it'll do, really, is on toon logout. would and extra, say, 30 seconds, be realy that painful? |
| 00:46.54 | JoshBorke | displaying purple i should say |
| 00:47.32 | bleeter | JoshBorke: just a guess, the video header says the file's in one format, but it's really in another |
| 00:48.12 | JoshBorke | i doubt that is it |
| 00:48.35 | bleeter | me too, but it's one way to end up with the situation you describe ;) |
| 00:48.58 | JoshBorke | happens in multiple players too |
| 00:50.10 | Atriace | Anyone have experience using Eclipse? |
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| 00:50.21 | JoshBorke | i have |
| 00:50.24 | bleeter | Atriace: a little, last year |
| 00:50.42 | bleeter | but thanks for the reminder to install the QT-Eclipse binding foo |
| 00:50.50 | Atriace | I just installed Subclipse and can't figure head's-or-tails of where I'd find it inside Eclipse. |
| 00:50.58 | JoshBorke | hrm |
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| 00:51.03 | JoshBorke | we use that at work |
| 00:51.06 | bleeter | lemme bring it up here |
| 00:51.11 | JoshBorke | but i don't remember |
| 00:51.13 | JoshBorke | :-/ |
| 00:51.18 | Dashkal | Atriace: It integrates into the team code |
| 00:51.20 | Atriace | I kinda expected a plugin interface of some sort.. |
| 00:51.30 | Dashkal | It isn't an "application" or anything like that |
| 00:51.35 | Dashkal | What do you want to do with it? |
| 00:51.48 | Atriace | Connect to svn.wowinterface.com |
| 00:51.55 | Atriace | and others... |
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| 00:52.13 | Dashkal | For what purpose? Browsing and simply checking out have two different answers |
| 00:52.24 | bleeter | Atriace: go into 'preferences', under Team you should see SVN preferences |
| 00:52.30 | Dashkal | that's the config |
| 00:52.43 | Atriace | Dashkal: well I suppose browsing would be the best place to start. |
| 00:52.48 | Dashkal | if you want to browse, you need to bring up the view. sec |
| 00:52.55 | bleeter | gotta make sure it's installed properly first, the config being there would demonstrate that it is ;) |
| 00:52.56 | Dashkal | ctrl-3 and type SVN in the box |
| 00:53.03 | Dashkal | erm, yeah, do what he said first |
| 00:53.05 | Dashkal | good point |
| 00:53.26 | Atriace | Ah, cool |
| 00:53.29 | Dashkal | when you've typed svn in the box, double-click SVN Repository |
| 00:53.37 | Dashkal | (that's only one way to get at that view, there are others) |
| 00:53.58 | bleeter | ooh, looky. my F9 Eclipse has a bunch of default repos |
| 00:54.03 | Dashkal | most notibly under window->show view->other |
| 00:54.19 | Atriace | Oooohhh purrrfect |
| 00:54.21 | Dashkal | anyway, for simple browsing, add a repository |
| 00:54.30 | Atriace | ~hug Dashkal |
| 00:54.30 | purl | ACTION jumps into Dashkal's lap and huggles and *hugs* Dashkal |
| 00:54.33 | bleeter | dunno if other versions do... but I've got Apache, Eclipse, GCC, Gnome, Linux Kernel, Mozilla, Redhat, Freedesktop.. tasty |
| 00:54.46 | bleeter | yeah, thanks for the tips dashkal! really appreciate it :) |
| 00:54.47 | Dashkal | a stright-up-checkout of a single project given the url is easiest done through new project. But once browsing, you can also right-click on the project folder and do the same |
| 00:55.45 | Dashkal | That said, Atriace, if this is for Lua work, you might prefer TortiseSVN and Notepad++ :p |
| 00:55.59 | Dashkal | (Personal opinion) I find eclipse too heavy for lua work |
| 00:56.28 | Atriace | Dashkal: not using Windows. |
| 00:56.32 | Dashkal | ahh |
| 00:56.39 | Dashkal | command-line svn for the win :p |
| 00:56.53 | Dashkal | yeah, eclipse will work for you |
| 00:57.04 | Dashkal | if you don't have it, LuaEclipse is nice |
| 00:57.04 | Atriace | Well.. yeah that's an option on any interface, but it's kinda... how shall I say... |
| 00:57.22 | Atriace | LuaEclipse? |
| 00:57.27 | bleeter | oooh, it's been resurrected. there was a time there it was dead |
| 00:57.27 | Dashkal | I think there are some stand-alone svn GUIs, but I've never used any aside from eclipse |
| 00:57.30 | Dashkal | sec, I'll get a link |
| 00:57.31 | bleeter | http://luaeclipse.luaforge.net/ |
| 00:57.41 | bleeter | Atriace: ^^ |
| 00:57.49 | Dashkal | Too slow :p |
| 00:57.52 | bleeter | Dashkal: was already at the page ;) |
| 00:57.53 | Atriace | hehe |
| 00:57.56 | Atriace | Nice work, Bleeter |
| 00:59.06 | bleeter | ah, yeah, I hadn't looked at luaeclipse since it's 0.5 incarnation, which didn't work with more recent Eclipses. Hence, have never used it. Without Dashkal's prompting, I wouldn't have looked again :) |
| 00:59.43 | Dashkal | It does its job. I just find having the whole eclipse workbench for a language where all the cool "eclipsy" features don't work is overkill. |
| 01:00.23 | Dashkal | Atriace: One warning, I don't have a clue how to get subclipse to do autoprops. If you find out, please let me know. |
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| 01:01.01 | Atriace | I'll let you know after I figure out what an "autoprop" is. :) |
| 01:01.26 | Dashkal | autoprops are a handy svn thing where a set of properties (like svn:eol-style) are set automatically for some filetypes when added |
| 01:02.06 | Dashkal | svn:eol-style is a very handy property that lets you checkout a lua source file and get the correct line endings no matter what platform |
| 01:02.25 | Dashkal | It's kind of nice to not have to think about it :) |
| 01:02.35 | Atriace | I see. |
| 01:03.10 | Dashkal | Some svn repos (wowace comes to mind) _require_ svn:eol-style to be set before you can checkin an lua file. No idea re wowinterface |
| 01:03.34 | Dashkal | So yeah, if you figure out how to get autoprops working, lemme know. I find adding them by hand to be a pain :p |
| 01:04.01 | Dashkal | and with that, I'm out. Workday over |
| 01:04.21 | JoshBorke | Dashkal: bye bye |
| 01:04.27 | Atriace | Cya Dashkal |
| 01:04.56 | Atriace | lol |
| 01:05.42 | Atriace | how do you pull up the server help? |
| 01:07.05 | bleeter | for the record, i think you're meant to use Subversion configs for subclipse, but I could be wrong about that |
| 01:07.13 | bleeter | Atriace: server help? |
| 01:07.46 | Atriace | Yeah, like server commands. User account info and such for IRC. It's been so long since I've used them |
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| 01:09.51 | Atriace | I guess I'm not the only one who forgot. :( |
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| 01:12.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6962916601&postId=79028110697&sid=1#245 |
| 01:12.34 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:12.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart mdadm |
| 01:12.37 | purl | offers mdadm some herring |
| 01:13.05 | kd3 | rofl. and finally yum sees the update to bind |
| 01:13.08 | kd3 | >.> |
| 01:13.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I got it yesterday |
| 01:13.27 | ScytheBlade1 | That was on centos, too |
| 01:14.14 | bleeter | if I was *really* worried, I'd just go ahead right now from Rawhide |
| 01:14.20 | bleeter | (figuring it's 'fixed' there) |
| 01:14.29 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: heh, that thread. certainly one way indeed |
| 01:15.31 | bleeter | weeee, new Xorg anyways |
| 01:16.32 | Kaso | http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/negatory3d/1213159176844.gif |
| 01:16.33 | Kaso | oh man |
| 01:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | .......... |
| 01:16.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That.... oh wow |
| 01:17.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I almost feel bad for the poor artist, but be brought it on himself |
| 01:17.34 | kd3 | oh, gah |
| 01:18.11 | Lunessa | ... wtf? |
| 01:18.24 | Lunessa | No my hurty bits want to crawl inside and hide. |
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| 01:18.42 | Lunessa | s/nNo/Now |
| 01:19.36 | Cralor` | what event would i use for a ColorSelect? |
| 01:20.08 | Cralor` | OnDrag? |
| 01:21.10 | Thunder_Child | pfft, he huts him in the stomach |
| 01:21.14 | Thunder_Child | hits* |
| 01:24.55 | Cralor` | anyone know? |
| 01:26.21 | kd3 | tc; http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20080602 |
| 01:27.25 | Lunessa | Still. |
| 01:36.11 | Atriace | Woah... that's odd. |
| 01:36.32 | Atriace | I'm missing an SVN connector with the default installation of Subclipse in Eclipse. |
| 01:36.46 | Atriace | Am I supposed to have downloaded a third-party connector? |
| 01:37.21 | kd3 | geez... what the hell is packagekit getting? |
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| 01:38.19 | Thunder_Child | oh, that was her face, couldnt tell |
| 01:39.11 | Thunder_Child | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/108-Webcomics bitches about webcomics, specificly pointing out cad |
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| 01:44.44 | bleeter | Dashkal: wb, I sent memoserv some info for you |
| 01:44.53 | Dashkal | hence my pm a moment ago |
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| 01:45.29 | bleeter | oh, that was the 'bell in window 1' screen was moaning about... i really should adjust the pink-on-lightblue colouring in irssi's bar thingie |
| 01:45.52 | bleeter | I was all 'wth was that, bah just screen being silly again'.. soz mate :) |
| 01:46.02 | Dashkal | Apparently I wasn't looking closely enough at those prefs :p |
| 01:46.10 | bleeter | hehe |
| 01:46.27 | bleeter | personally, i don't think it's *overly* obvious, and annoying the prefs still ahve to be set by hand |
| 01:46.45 | bleeter | ie, you're pointing subclipse at a previously set up config file |
| 01:47.05 | Dashkal | here's hoping the new version of subclipse promised after svn 1.5 has a better config then |
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| 01:59.18 | kd3 | oh wow... they built a lead baloon |
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| 02:00.37 | Dashkal | that episode rocked |
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| 02:19.15 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone see anything wrong with that? |
| 02:19.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Note: I haven't tested, just making sure that passes generic visual inspection |
| 02:20.22 | breser | Looks ok to me. |
| 02:20.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh ha, whoops |
| 02:20.39 | ScytheBlade1 | There's one problem |
| 02:20.52 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty hard to use a variable before it's been declared |
| 02:21.32 | Cralor` | wanna explain what it does? :D |
| 02:21.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Waits for my GM to say "longwordhere for invite" and then whispers him that word |
| 02:23.46 | Cralor` | cool |
| 02:25.13 | Iriel | You should really put local before f, and local before a,b,c too |
| 02:25.22 | Iriel | otherwise you're polluting global space |
| 02:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I was writing it for space concerns as I wasn't sure initially |
| 02:25.38 | ScytheBlade1 | 223 as-is though so I can now |
| 02:25.41 | Iriel | And then the pollution sticks to baby seals, which go mad and club themselves to death |
| 02:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh wow |
| 02:26.16 | Iriel | actually |
| 02:26.21 | Iriel | just do (self,event,a,b,c) |
| 02:26.24 | Iriel | and ditch the ... |
| 02:26.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Now my raid is asking me why I just burst ouy in laughter |
| 02:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | *out |
| 02:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That's one of the more random things I've heard all day |
| 02:27.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm, I wonder how easily I could check to see if I'm grouped or not |
| 02:28.11 | Iriel | UnitExists("party1") |
| 02:28.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Is party1- -- heh, exactly |
| 02:28.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Boo, takes it to 268 |
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| 02:29.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, no it doesn't. 247 |
| 02:30.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like that should work... we'll find out tomorrow |
| 02:30.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks Iriel |
| 02:37.27 | Thunder_Child | ~dict illimitable |
| 02:38.17 | Thunder_Child | ~dict silage |
| 02:38.26 | Thunder_Child | ~dict 1 silage |
| 02:38.29 | Iriel | That should SO be an 'un' word, rather than an 'il' word |
| 02:38.40 | Thunder_Child | ~dict 2 silage |
| 02:38.52 | Thunder_Child | purl is quite good |
| 02:39.08 | breser | purl what is the meaning of the universe? |
| 02:39.10 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, breser |
| 02:40.41 | Thunder_Child | ~dict nacre |
| 02:41.57 | Iriel | I really should set up a trigger to play the end of the appropriate song when you log out Thunder_Child |
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| 02:42.24 | Iriel | "Slowly dissapearing,.... Farewell.. thundeerrrrrr child" |
| 02:43.12 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, you completely lost me |
| 02:43.21 | Iriel | Oh, that's even better 8-) |
| 02:44.57 | Iriel | Let me just upload it |
| 02:45.20 | Thunder_Child | ~dict nudibranch |
| 02:47.54 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/tc.mp3 |
| 02:49.39 | Thunder_Child | ironclad lol |
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| 02:50.57 | Thunder_Child | tripods? martians? |
| 02:51.08 | Iriel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Wayne%27s_Musical_Version_of_The_War_of_the_Worlds |
| 02:51.23 | Iriel | A timeless classic 8-) |
| 02:51.38 | Thunder_Child | no..i'm quite sure it had it's time |
| 02:51.53 | Thunder_Child | quite interesting though |
| 02:55.09 | Cralor` | i feel tempted to try out this dictionary |
| 02:55.38 | Cralor` | hmm |
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| 03:13.42 | NightHawkTheSane | This is awesome: http://feeds.gothamistllc.com/click.phdo?i=b5978409ac858759550eeb2aca5ab219 |
| 03:14.02 | NightHawkTheSane | except,here's a more proper link... http://seattlest.com/2008/07/09/washington_judge_responds_to_lawyer.php |
| 03:17.04 | Atriace | I'd rather read a definition on what a "commit" is in terms of SVN, but I find myself somehow lacking a reference to the proper documentation. Could someone point me in the right direction or explain it succinctly? |
| 03:17.32 | NightHawkTheSane | everything you ever wanted to know about svn, and probably some you never thought to ask: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 03:17.36 | NightHawkTheSane | bookmark it. |
| 03:17.41 | Atriace | Danka |
| 03:18.02 | Atriace | Hurray for PDF |
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| 03:33.44 | Atriace | wow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte#Alternative_words |
| 03:34.16 | Atriace | "18 bits: chomp, chawmp [...] 48 bits: gobble, gawble (under circumstances that remain obscure)" |
| 03:35.00 | Thunder_Child | "There is little danger of confusing a byte with a bel because the bel's sub-multiple the decibel (dB) is usually preferred, while use of the decibyte (dB) is extremely rare." |
| 03:35.19 | Thunder_Child | billions of combinations and people still cant share |
| 03:35.46 | Thunder_Child | s/share/come up with something origional/ |
| 03:36.16 | Thunder_Child | wow, good job of saying the complete opposite Thunder_Child |
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| 03:38.49 | Dashkal | I read it right, share as in share the namespace :p |
| 03:39.39 | Thunder_Child | no, i meant why to they have to make something that looks exactly the same |
| 03:39.45 | Thunder_Child | s/to/do/ |
| 03:40.19 | kd3 | 3 minutes til I can start breathing again |
| 03:40.38 | Dashkal | I got that. share the namespace as in not clobbering each other (choosing the same abbreviations) |
| 03:41.01 | Thunder_Child | ah, ya, ok Dashkal, i misunderstood you |
| 03:41.38 | Dashkal | but then, the namespace is shorter than you'd think in SI. THere's 26x2 letters to use |
| 03:41.45 | Dashkal | the other letter being the multiplier |
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| 03:44.24 | Cralor` | can anyone explain to me how i utilize the INSPECT_TALENT_READY event? |
| 03:46.03 | Cralor` | how do i express it in a fontstring? |
| 03:49.13 | Shirik | wow, Eclipse is incredibly full of fail on Vista |
| 03:49.15 | Shirik | morning cladhaire |
| 03:50.06 | Dashkal | Shirik: how so? I have few issues |
| 03:50.16 | Shirik | do you run with UAC on? |
| 03:50.20 | Dashkal | yes |
| 03:50.26 | Thunder_Child | ~fail UAC |
| 03:50.26 | purl | UAC: FAIL! |
| 03:50.27 | Shirik | tried installing subversive? |
| 03:50.33 | Dashkal | Did you put eclipse in program files? |
| 03:50.37 | Shirik | yup |
| 03:50.43 | Dashkal | ... |
| 03:50.45 | Dashkal | good luck with that |
| 03:50.50 | Shirik | :) |
| 03:50.54 | Shirik | That's how ^ |
| 03:51.02 | Dashkal | I installed it in my user dir |
| 03:51.17 | Thunder_Child | i dont install programs to program files and i STILL have issues with uac |
| 03:52.31 | Dashkal | I rarely have issues with it, but it does pop up a lot |
| 03:52.38 | Thunder_Child | thats the issue |
| 03:52.42 | Cralor` | i install in Programs and i have no issues?? |
| 03:52.56 | Cralor` | well i dont use Eclipse, but with programs in general i don't |
| 03:53.05 | Cralor` | i wonder why? |
| 03:53.15 | Dashkal | And yes, Shirik, eclipse is fail on vista in that it has this nasty habit of wanting to edit itself. Ganymede can (apparently) be configured to behave better if you have the plugin repository somewhere safely editable |
| 03:53.40 | Dashkal | I haven't upgraded to 3.4 yet, though, since the maven integration isn't working yet |
| 03:53.41 | Shirik | Cralor`, because those programs are following best practices |
| 03:53.44 | Shirik | Eclipse, on the other hand, is not |
| 03:53.51 | Cralor` | :D |
| 03:54.07 | Cralor` | well ppl have WoW problems. i use it in my Programs folder still |
| 03:54.42 | Dashkal | and you have to deal with the virtual store for addons, don't you? (Unless you do them by hand in which case I'm betting UAC annoys you every ttime you sneeze in there) |
| 03:56.33 | Shirik | Dashkal, I doubt Cralor` knows what the virtual store is |
| 03:56.38 | Shirik | he just hasn't experienced any problems... yet |
| 03:56.44 | Dashkal | heh |
| 03:56.57 | Dashkal | Another program I just stuffed in my home dir and said to hell with it |
| 03:57.02 | Cralor` | what do u mean UAC annoys me? =P |
| 03:57.15 | Shirik | but yes, I must be going now |
| 03:57.17 | Shirik | have fun |
| 03:57.24 | Cralor` | wait, UAC = the hting that says "Continue" or "Accept"? |
| 03:57.28 | Dashkal | Yes |
| 03:57.31 | Shirik|zZz | yes |
| 03:57.35 | Dashkal | Goodnight, Shirik|zZz |
| 03:57.43 | Cralor` | i only get that when i install or run some programs |
| 03:57.50 | Cralor` | like my antivirus |
| 03:57.58 | Cralor` | but i don't get problems |
| 03:57.59 | Dashkal | If you aren't getting it when editing files in C: |
| 03:58.15 | Cralor` | yea i do sometimes. but not when i edit addons |
| 03:58.18 | Dashkal | C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Interface* you have disabled something |
| 03:58.28 | Shirik|zZz | or it's being virtualized :) |
| 03:58.47 | Cralor` | is it ok if my addons are Read-Only? lol |
| 03:59.45 | Cairenn | sure, if you don't want them to save any settings or data |
| 04:00.11 | Cralor` | lol for some reason it still works =P |
| 04:01.04 | Cralor` | i am taking it off now :D |
| 04:01.11 | Dashkal | Damnit, I've seen this mythbusters more than once. Fail |
| 04:02.16 | kd3 | ya, /flips over to the science channel |
| 04:03.12 | Dashkal | Total Drama Island it is |
| 04:03.14 | Dashkal | mmm, mocking reality tv |
| 04:04.41 | Thunder_Child | Numb3rs* |
| 04:04.57 | Dashkal | That's not a bad show, but I have no idea when it's on |
| 04:05.23 | Thunder_Child | whenever you want to thanks to the internet |
| 04:06.01 | Dashkal | heh, point |
| 04:11.15 | Atriace | What assurance do I have that my files stored on the wowi svn are indeed not publicly viewable? |
| 04:12.12 | bleeter | have you tried viewing them publicly? lol |
| 04:12.25 | Atriace | svn.wowinterface.com, right? |
| 04:12.43 | bleeter | I hate serial source control system with a vengeance |
| 04:12.48 | Atriace | That... is the only publicly veiwable method, I guess (is the real question). |
| 04:13.11 | Atriace | ~poke Cairenn |
| 04:13.12 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cairenn, pokes Cairenn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 04:13.25 | bleeter | lawlz |
| 04:13.35 | Cairenn | hi |
| 04:13.38 | Atriace | :) |
| 04:13.49 | kd3 | whee, new PTR build |
| 04:13.49 | Atriace | Well, I figured since it's your server, you might know. |
| 04:14.02 | kd3 | rofl. "this download is not authorized" |
| 04:14.03 | Cairenn | Dolby does all the coding on the sites |
| 04:14.18 | bleeter | kd3: YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!! |
| 04:14.28 | kd3 | apparently the tracker isn't... >.>; |
| 04:14.33 | bleeter | hehehe |
| 04:14.39 | Atriace | You don't use the SVN, Cairenn? |
| 04:14.43 | Cairenn | Atriace: nope |
| 04:14.47 | Atriace | shocker |
| 04:14.50 | Cairenn | I don't code for WoW |
| 04:14.56 | Atriace | gasp |
| 04:14.59 | bleeter | cairenn's the brains of the operation |
| 04:15.03 | bleeter | yeah, she don't code =)) |
| 04:15.07 | Cairenn | bleeter: far from it |
| 04:15.10 | bleeter | smart chicky, that one ;) :P |
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| 04:15.37 | Cairenn | I do/have for other games, but not for WoW |
| 04:15.39 | bleeter | anyone in here multibox at all? |
| 04:15.51 | Cairenn | bleeter: same answer, for me ;) |
| 04:15.57 | Dolby | well our script writes directly to the auth/pass files. so your assurance is as strong as SVN's assurance |
| 04:16.01 | Cairenn | I do/have for other games, but not for WoW |
| 04:16.02 | Atriace | ~seen Dolby |
| 04:16.23 | purl | dolby is currently on #wowuidev (4h 4m 56s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 26s, last said: 'well our script writes directly to the auth/pass files. so your assurance is as strong as SVN's assurance'. |
| 04:16.23 | Atriace | doh |
| 04:16.23 | Atriace | Heya |
| 04:16.23 | bleeter | preferably someone with one machine with widescreen, the other with standard screen. I'm trying to work out wtf is causing some... issues |
| 04:16.32 | bleeter | haha |
| 04:16.35 | bleeter | ~botsnack |
| 04:16.35 | purl | :), bleeter |
| 04:16.35 | Dolby | ROFL |
| 04:16.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:16.38 | Atriace | thank you, purl |
| 04:17.22 | Dolby | you do need to have the "Disable public SVN viewing." option enabled though |
| 04:17.30 | Atriace | So, just to be clear, if it's not listed at svn.wowinterface.com, then it's not public, right? |
| 04:17.47 | bleeter | Dolby: just curious, is 'disabled' the default? |
| 04:17.48 | Dolby | correct |
| 04:17.50 | Atriace | Yeah, I checked that box, so I'm pretty sure... but I wanted to be "sure". |
| 04:17.56 | Dolby | no bleeter |
| 04:18.05 | Cairenn | Atriace: what is your svn called? |
| 04:18.14 | Cairenn | the project |
| 04:18.14 | Atriace | Client or project? |
| 04:18.25 | Atriace | SpartanUI-109 (according to the file structure) |
| 04:18.31 | Dolby | now wowi admin's can view your SVN |
| 04:18.40 | Dolby | not much you can do about that |
| 04:18.41 | Atriace | Well, naturally |
| 04:18.42 | Dolby | =p |
| 04:18.42 | bleeter | fwiw, I've always had 'issues' with 'disabled' options that one needs to 'enable' to have the 'disable' function, with any code |
| 04:18.59 | Atriace | Not that I'm worried about people like Cairenn viewing my code-in-progress. |
| 04:19.15 | Thunder_Child | LIES! |
| 04:19.18 | Dashkal | sure there is. wait for git and just don't push until ready :p |
| 04:19.22 | bleeter | ie, it should be 'enabled' to 'public view' by default. not that I've actually looked inside what Dolby has set up, just 'enabling' a disabling prefernce is screwy ;) :P |
| 04:19.43 | Dolby | =p |
| 04:19.54 | Atriace | ... so you don't like the idea of turning on the offlight, eh? |
| 04:20.07 | Dolby | you are right but that option was put in when I was on lots of meds for kidney stones |
| 04:20.14 | kd3 | off lights! all hail 3d graphics |
| 04:20.18 | bleeter | Dolby: owww, sorry to hear :( |
| 04:20.36 | bleeter | kd3: ? |
| 04:20.52 | Dolby | so I'll add it to my list of todo's when i get around to that code again |
| 04:20.55 | Dolby | :) |
| 04:21.06 | bleeter | Dolby: sorry if what I wrote came across strong and offensive, it's an 'annoyance' I've had since last century wrt a huge argument on HIG foo |
| 04:21.19 | Dolby | I understand it is kinda weird |
| 04:21.28 | Atriace | Query: when do WoWUIDev-commits "commits" actually appear by reporting bots? |
| 04:21.28 | Dolby | didnt take offense at all |
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| 04:21.49 | kd3 | pick a random 3d graphics engine, you can point negative light at something and override any other light sources. I usually call it an off light |
| 04:22.01 | kd3 | s/override/remove/ |
| 04:22.25 | bleeter | kd3: oh, I thought you might've managed to turn off the lights on a proprietary 3D card video driver ;) :P |
| 04:22.33 | kd3 | lol |
| 04:23.24 | Atriace | commits + bots = x time? |
| 04:24.18 | Dolby | I'm not sure of the delay. Thats really all on CIA's end. we just run a script on your commit, similar to the email commits |
| 04:24.42 | Atriace | Does only on public commits? |
| 04:24.50 | Dolby | nope |
| 04:24.59 | Atriace | s/only/it report only/ |
| 04:25.50 | Dolby | it should report on any project that has the CIA field filled out for any commit on that project |
| 04:26.12 | Atriace | uh... CIA field? |
| 04:26.24 | Dolby | under the misc. options |
| 04:26.36 | Dolby | for that svn |
| 04:26.48 | Cairenn | Atriace: http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/various/svn.gif |
| 04:26.48 | Dolby | same place the public/private toggle is |
| 04:26.48 | Atriace | under "CIA project name" ? |
| 04:26.57 | Dolby | yes |
| 04:27.05 | Dolby | CIA is the irc bot |
| 04:27.24 | Dolby | its a 3rd party |
| 04:27.29 | Atriace | Gotchya |
| 04:27.38 | bleeter | cia -> google for 'commits in action' |
| 04:27.51 | bleeter | ior maybe not |
| 04:27.58 | Atriace | Cairenn: I'm assuming that's public view (as opposed to your omniscient admin access view of the svn repository)? |
| 04:28.02 | Cairenn | yep |
| 04:28.09 | Cairenn | I signed out to take that screenshot |
| 04:28.10 | Atriace | Thank you very much. :) |
| 04:28.11 | bleeter | www.cia.vc, though, will get you to CIA's main web page |
| 04:28.15 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 04:28.40 | Atriace | Hey, that's a well done website... |
| 04:28.49 | bleeter | eg, here's ace's CIA |
| 04:28.53 | bleeter | http://cia.vc/stats/project/Ace |
| 04:29.03 | Dashkal | Cairenn: What is that graph addon hiding in your statusbar? |
| 04:29.27 | Cairenn | you mean with the big A beside it? |
| 04:29.30 | Dashkal | yes |
| 04:29.31 | bleeter | Dashkal: looks like some alexia thing |
| 04:29.32 | Cairenn | Alexa |
| 04:29.36 | Cairenn | err, yeah, that |
| 04:30.09 | Dashkal | Your firefox, it is far more modded than mine :p |
| 04:30.35 | Atriace | Except for the skin... must skin, Cairenn. tsk tsk. ;) |
| 04:30.43 | Atriace | er.. |
| 04:30.48 | Atriace | that came out wrong |
| 04:30.59 | Cairenn | no skinning the Cairenn, she doesn't do so well without flesh |
| 04:31.09 | Atriace | Don't skin Cairenn, we like Cairenn's skin on Cairenn. |
| 04:31.31 | Cairenn | besides, I do have a theme installed :p |
| 04:31.45 | Atriace | uhuh... |
| 04:31.54 | Cairenn | I do = Qute |
| 04:31.58 | bleeter | skinning a Cairenn should aggro every Cairenns in a 40 yard radius |
| 04:32.12 | Dashkal | 40 yards? Small. |
| 04:32.26 | Cairenn | Dashkal: appropriate, since I'm small |
| 04:32.34 | Dashkal | ahh, fair enough then |
| 04:33.12 | Cairenn | as a real life friend said to some guildmates in EQ when describing me "She's a real life wood elf" |
| 04:33.24 | Cairenn | Dolby is the man! |
| 04:33.30 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Cairenn!n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/Dolby] by Dolby (Dolby) |
| 04:33.31 | kd3 | aren't we all members of that club? |
| 04:33.35 | Dolby | I'm not! |
| 04:33.40 | Atriace | what!? |
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| 04:33.41 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 04:33.48 | Dashkal | Now I'm interested :p |
| 04:33.53 | Atriace | Is... dolby not a man? |
| 04:34.01 | Cairenn | yes he is |
| 04:34.03 | Dolby | yes... not the man |
| 04:34.13 | Cairenn | the objection was to the word "the" in the statement ;) |
| 04:34.21 | Dolby | >>>not<<< the man. however I am a man |
| 04:35.01 | Thunder_Child | all we have is your word on that |
| 04:35.16 | Dolby | I should be nice to Cairenn though as she is the channel owner and could de-aop me |
| 04:35.30 | Dashkal | That might be a consideration |
| 04:35.54 | Dolby | but then i could release some pictures... |
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| 04:36.39 | Cairenn | not if you value your life |
| 04:37.12 | Thunder_Child | Dolby, it's worth it |
| 04:37.16 | Thunder_Child | we will protect you |
| 04:37.22 | Dolby | sure you will |
| 04:37.33 | Dashkal | Oh absolutely! |
| 04:37.34 | Atriace | Hey... don't contest the whaleshield. It works. |
| 04:37.41 | Thunder_Child | you have no idea of our powers.... |
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| 04:40.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 04:40.06 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784275032&sid=1&pageNo=6 |
| 04:40.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 04:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | "I'd really like to have in game forums added." |
| 04:40.15 | Dolby | ok here they are... http://www.wowinterface.com/picturesofcairenn.php |
| 04:40.38 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 04:40.51 | Atriace | evil! |
| 04:40.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Fear the power of wget. |
| 04:40.53 | Thunder_Child | and here i thought Cairenn was a woman |
| 04:40.56 | ScytheBlade1 | HAHA |
| 04:40.56 | ScytheBlade1 | YES |
| 04:40.57 | Thunder_Child | go figure |
| 04:41.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Thunder_Child+_ |
| 04:41.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Thunder_Child++ |
| 04:41.08 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: that's just ... O.o |
| 04:41.09 | Dashkal | Cairenn: so you won't ever hurt me? |
| 04:41.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: sec, trying to breathe |
| 04:41.25 | Cairenn | I only hurt people when they beg very prettily |
| 04:41.26 | Thunder_Child | the red hair fits though |
| 04:41.59 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: *blink* you mean there really is some demand for nexus? |
| 04:42.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: nexus? |
| 04:42.12 | Dashkal | Now I'm scared |
| 04:42.24 | Dashkal | oh I haven't mentioned that in this channel... |
| 04:42.38 | Dashkal | Peer to peer distributed filesystem atop which forums will be added |
| 04:42.44 | Dashkal | in wow... |
| 04:42.49 | Dashkal | Yes, yes I am out of my mind |
| 04:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, yes you are |
| 04:43.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Dolby: well played, but wget beat you on that one |
| 04:44.38 | Dashkal | If you think I'm nuts after that description, sit in when I pick brains for help designing sync and trust sometime :p |
| 04:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: sounds like you win implimenting a PKI within lua. |
| 04:45.44 | Thunder_Child | ~breath ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:45.57 | Dashkal | RSA was mentioned... |
| 04:45.58 | |Jelly| | I love when people's only response in a pve discussion (talking about an INSTANCE) where you've WTFPWNED them is "nice ratings" |
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| 04:49.15 | bleeter | |Jelly|: nice ratings! |
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| 04:50.18 | Sixen | lol@hortus: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903651731 |
| 04:50.33 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:51.27 | kd3 | anyone have any questions they want to ask the president of actiblizzardion? http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Questions_for_Activision_Blizzard_CEO_Robert_Kotick.3F |
| 04:51.48 | bleeter | yes, a bucket of Oceanic stuff ;) |
| 04:51.51 | kd3 | s/president/ceo/ |
| 04:52.15 | bleeter | ie, when the hell are we gunna get reimbursements for 6 weeks of outages, or alternative question what kind of kiss and make up are you guys gunna attempt |
| 04:52.18 | bleeter | as a convo breaker |
| 04:52.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: hortus is a winner |
| 04:52.27 | Dashkal | When are you going to stop raping IP law? |
| 04:53.24 | Cralor` | i believe i need a function for this, but i don't know what. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91064 |
| 04:54.18 | Sixen | Sbo: Agreed. |
| 04:55.15 | Sixen | Actiblizzardion |
| 04:55.16 | Sixen | lol |
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| 05:03.53 | Atriace | I'm not familiar with UTC time, is it too late to post another question there? |
| 05:04.02 | kd3 | no, I posted about half an hour ago |
| 05:09.59 | Cralor` | can someone debug what's wrong here: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/91064 |
| 05:18.44 | Atriace | Thanks kd3. I was going a little nuts fixing that sig. |
| 05:19.11 | Atriace | I've never used the talk pages before. |
| 05:20.42 | kd3 | new PTR build up. anyone not already on my email list want the interface diff? |
| 05:20.57 | bleeter | why am I not on your email list??!?!?!?!?!? :P |
| 05:21.03 | bleeter | I thought I would've been #1 |
| 05:21.19 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: if I had to guess, because you hadn't asked in the past |
| 05:21.30 | bleeter | i'm so cool, I shouldn't need to ask ;) :P |
| 05:21.35 | Atriace | you were beleted bleeter |
| 05:21.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty hard for him to get your e-mail though. |
| 05:21.45 | Hjalte | kd3: I'd love to. Could you do a pastey or a link? |
| 05:21.50 | bleeter | same with WotLK beta, I'm all like 'i'm so cool, why do I have to opt in??!??!!' |
| 05:22.09 | Hjalte | By the way, it says I am not authorized to download the new PTR patch, anyone else getting that? |
| 05:22.15 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: how so? |
| 05:22.16 | Sixen | Actually |
| 05:22.21 | Sixen | Kd3, do you have my e-mail? |
| 05:22.34 | Sixen | @Hjalte: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903861928&sid=1 |
| 05:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: he can't send an e-mail to an e-mail address he doesn't have :P |
| 05:23.00 | kd3 | sixen, don't think so. /msg it to me |
| 05:23.20 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: it's not like I have an active email address at the bottom of every forum post I make :P |
| 05:23.31 | bleeter | sure, it's a junky gmail address, but it's there! :P |
| 05:23.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That e-mail is dirty |
| 05:23.55 | bleeter | no u |
| 05:24.14 | kd3 | anyone else? |
| 05:24.20 | kd3 | if you /msg'd me, I got you |
| 05:24.43 | bleeter | kk |
| 05:25.57 | bleeter | holy crap |
| 05:26.07 | bleeter | someone's turned up on a google search for 'bleeter' who isn't me |
| 05:26.35 | kd3 | ckknight, ScytheBlade1, Guillotine, Duman, nevcairiel, Gnarfoz, bleeter, Sixen (among others): inbox |
| 05:26.52 | Sixen | =) |
| 05:27.07 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: not quite. but rather my "hey someone I know sent me e-mail, I should probably care" folder |
| 05:27.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Inbox = meh, waste of time |
| 05:27.23 | Guillotine | kd3: Didn't get it yet, but assuming its what I think it is, thank you once again :) |
| 05:27.32 | kd3 | np |
| 05:27.35 | Guillotine | hah, now I can send you all virii |
| 05:27.37 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:27.40 | ScytheBlade1 | nice e-mail, bleeter |
| 05:27.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course, the thing is, if you hadn't said that I wouldn't have noticed or cared |
| 05:28.45 | bleeter | hmm, time to create a imap subfolder under 'awesomeness' titled 'kd3's stuffs' |
| 05:28.53 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:29.29 | Gnarfoz | kd3: thx |
| 05:30.45 | bleeter | oh, kinda reminds me. have the recommended specs for machines to play WotLK gone up from BC or staying static? |
| 05:31.06 | kd3 | no info, they're going to try to keep it around BC-level, but I expect it'll inch up a little |
| 05:32.03 | Guillotine | you're going to need a 64-bit computer with 3 terrabytes of ram |
| 05:32.09 | Guillotine | for the loading screen |
| 05:32.17 | bleeter | only 3? i'm set then |
| 05:32.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That's one tricky loading screen |
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| 05:49.11 | kd3 | huh... looks like they added some of the RecruitAFriend stuff |
| 05:49.36 | Sixen | Where? |
| 05:49.47 | kd3 | the friends frame |
| 05:49.50 | bleeter | I have no friends :( |
| 05:49.53 | Sixen | Oh cool. |
| 05:50.00 | Sixen | What'd you use? Subversion? |
| 05:50.23 | kd3 | I've got a folder full of the results of blizz's addon toolkit |
| 05:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | FriendsFrame_SummonButton_OnShow(self); |
| 05:50.32 | ScytheBlade1 | good times |
| 05:50.46 | MentalPower | kd3: do you have mine? |
| 05:50.59 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.33 | ScytheBlade1 | GetFriendInfo() changed it seems |
| 05:51.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It returns another param |
| 05:52.23 | bleeter | heh, and bye bye hard coded URLs |
| 05:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | +ARENA = "Arena"; |
| 05:53.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm simple changes |
| 05:54.07 | bleeter | kd3: so what's this? the system will know some specifics about friends who came through the RAF program? |
| 05:54.26 | kd3 | I guess. they still haven't publicly released any info on this |
| 05:54.34 | ScytheBlade1 | +NEWBIE_TOOLTIP_RAF_SUMMON_LINKED = "Click here to summon a linked party member."; |
| 05:54.46 | kd3 | I remember surprising the CSF guys about it when it first showed up in the UI |
| 05:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Good times |
| 05:55.23 | bleeter | was that the 'grant a level' stuff? |
| 05:55.34 | kd3 | ya |
| 05:55.37 | bleeter | that was good time, ya |
| 05:56.13 | Sixen | Anyone use Cygwin? |
| 05:56.34 | bleeter | try not to, but when forced to use Win32, it never leaves my side ;) |
| 05:56.36 | ScytheBlade1 | +-- Fix for Bug 124392 |
| 05:56.37 | ScytheBlade1 | +StaticPopup_Hide("LEVEL_GRANT_PROPOSED"); |
| 05:56.50 | bleeter | only 124000 bugs? |
| 05:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, and there we have our new RAF API calls |
| 05:57.07 | ScytheBlade1 | SummonFriend() and GrantLevel() |
| 05:57.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Both take one param, unit |
| 05:58.22 | Sixen | hmm |
| 05:58.34 | Sixen | Bleeter, any idea how'd I go about getting packages, like gcc and wget? |
| 05:58.43 | bleeter | sure |
| 05:58.43 | Sixen | Apparently ou can't do that with the new version of the setup.exe? |
| 05:58.52 | kd3 | o_O; the hell? |
| 05:58.54 | bleeter | grab the setup.exe from cygwin's main website, and use it |
| 05:59.03 | Sixen | Yeah, I never get the option to select packages. |
| 05:59.14 | bleeter | personally, I create a local mirror of the entire cygwin repository, then do the local install ehre |
| 05:59.27 | bleeter | oh, well that's not right |
| 05:59.36 | Sixen | :X... |
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| 06:01.25 | bleeter | well, it should go: 1. Download Source type (ie, install from 'net, d/l w/o install, install from local dir), 2 Local Package dir (where to store stuffs) 3) Internet Connection Type.... |
| 06:01.56 | bleeter | 4) Mirror Selection, 5) ini parsing 6) package selection |
| 06:02.00 | Sixen | Weird. |
| 06:02.02 | bleeter | tghat' using the d/l to local, btw, will be slightly different for others |
| 06:02.07 | Sixen | I re-downloaded it and now it's showing the mirror selection |
| 06:02.53 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone here done bloodboil and can answer a question? Resto druids: bear form, or stay tree and heal through it? |
| 06:03.09 | NightHawkTheSane | (it being fel rage, to be sure) |
| 06:03.25 | ScytheBlade1 | +RURU = "Russian"; |
| 06:03.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay Russian |
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| 06:03.39 | Sixen | Hmph. |
| 06:03.42 | Sixen | Should I just get everything>? |
| 06:04.06 | durcyn | NightHawkTheSane: bear form |
| 06:04.30 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: hm. the extra armor/sta really outweighs all the healing? |
| 06:05.47 | durcyn | yes. don't forget that Gurtogg gets Fel Rage too, so his damage output is increased |
| 06:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Oddly I've found that it is amazingly easy for mages to live through it... if they know where their Ice Armor button is. |
| 06:06.18 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough. |
| 06:06.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: it -ought- to be easy for anyone to live through it if the healers are on the ball *shrug* |
| 06:06.51 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: 30% slower swing speed on him if you pop Ice Armor |
| 06:07.14 | NightHawkTheSane | he's succeptible to that? neat |
| 06:07.19 | Gnarfoz | mages die the easiest of all, still. |
| 06:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 06:10.01 | durcyn | ice armor has nothing to do with it, you can live with mana shield alone |
| 06:11.19 | Gnarfoz | ice armor has lots to do with what little mage survivability there is for Fel Rage |
| 06:12.09 | ScytheBlade1 | mana shield just means your chances of wanding for the rest of the fight skyrocketed |
| 06:12.22 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 06:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | still more dps than dead. |
| 06:13.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Not really, considering you can take the incoming DPS down by a flat 30% for ~400 mana ;) |
| 06:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I lied, 611 mana |
| 06:13.26 | Gnarfoz | they're not exclusive, though |
| 06:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | True. |
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| 06:17.22 | Thunder_Child | ~dict bangtail |
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| 06:17.59 | Corrodias | ~dict racehorse |
| 06:18.10 | Corrodias | ~redundancy |
| 06:18.13 | purl | [redundancy] In a redundant system, if you lose part of the system, you can continue to operate. For example, if you have two power supplies and one takes over if the other one dies, then that is a form of redundancy. You can take redundancy to ridiculous levels, but you spend more money. |
| 06:18.31 | Corrodias | thus, if we lose the bangtails, at least we'll still have the racehorses |
| 06:18.53 | Gnarfoz | wtf is a bangtail |
| 06:18.54 | Thunder_Child | i hope this next word doesnt mean what i think it does |
| 06:18.54 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 06:18.59 | Thunder_Child | ~dict cockloft |
| 06:19.31 | Thunder_Child | better than the "womb" option i had |
| 06:21.50 | Thunder_Child | ~dict grimalkin |
| 06:21.56 | Thunder_Child | oh lol |
| 06:26.36 | Corrodias | ~dict cockle |
| 06:28.47 | Thunder_Child | ok, so i did not know that "madrigal" is a polyphonic song |
| 06:29.40 | Thunder_Child | ~dugong |
| 06:29.50 | Thunder_Child | ~dict dugong |
| 06:29.58 | Thunder_Child | ~dict 2 dugong |
| 06:36.02 | Thunder_Child | this is so for Shirik|zZz http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=62 |
| 06:36.03 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child |
| 06:36.06 | Fisker- | you will be destroyed |
| 06:36.23 | Fisker- | IRL |
| 06:36.56 | Thunder_Child | you know Fisker-, i was going to spend the time making this big huge long complex insult.....but it wasnt worth it |
| 06:37.17 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 06:37.23 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: fwiw, druid swim form is *very* dugong looking |
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| 06:37.50 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, yes, purl dosent have it but the primary translation is sea-cow |
| 06:37.59 | Thunder_Child | though thats used more for hippos around here |
| 06:38.13 | Fisker- | it would be a shame if you were to wake up dead Thunder_Child |
| 06:38.20 | bleeter | buncha illiterate fools |
| 06:38.33 | Thunder_Child | it would be odd if i woke up dead Fisker- |
| 06:38.45 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 06:39.22 | bleeter | hippopotamus.. = hippo -> horse ... potamos-> river |
| 06:39.30 | bleeter | hippos are river horses, not sea cows |
| 06:39.44 | bleeter | would seem TC's surrounded by illiterates |
| 06:40.03 | Thunder_Child | well your here arent you bleeter? XD |
| 06:40.13 | bleeter | no, I'm over there! :D |
| 06:40.31 | Thunder_Child | which is "around" me |
| 06:41.10 | bleeter | if you're in the core of the earth, maybe :P |
| 06:41.48 | Thunder_Child | who says i aint! |
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| 06:42.41 | Fisker- | IT'S KD3 |
| 06:42.42 | Fisker- | GET HIM |
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| 06:43.37 | bleeter | ~staple kd3 |
| 06:43.38 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples kd3 quite well, and hands kd3 to bleeter |
| 06:44.02 | Fisker- | excellent |
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| 07:00.06 | cncfanatics | g'morning peeps |
| 07:01.20 | Cairenn | hi cnc |
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| 07:39.50 | ArtificialSynaps | Hello |
| 07:40.00 | cnc|work | Hello |
| 07:40.07 | cnc|work | too long nickname ArtificialSynaps |
| 07:40.11 | cnc|work | ah, thats better |
| 07:40.14 | Synp | I agree : ) |
| 07:40.27 | Synp | How are you guys? |
| 07:40.33 | cnc|work | bored |
| 07:40.39 | Synp | I agree... me too |
| 07:40.48 | Synp | Really, I'm not sure why I'm in this chat.. |
| 07:40.52 | cnc|work | :o |
| 07:40.55 | cnc|work | to be less bored ? |
| 07:40.57 | Synp | I just saw it, and decided that this was the chat for me to explore |
| 07:41.04 | Cairenn | heh |
| 07:41.05 | Synp | And now I'm here. |
| 07:41.16 | Synp | So what do you guys wanna do?? |
| 07:41.27 | Snago | Code |
| 07:41.38 | Cairenn | Well, usually we talk about coding addons for WoW |
| 07:41.50 | cnc|work | *usualy* |
| 07:41.53 | Synp | Hmm... I haven't played WoW in about 5 months. |
| 07:41.55 | cnc|work | which means about one third of the time |
| 07:42.08 | Synp | So what to do with the other part of time??? |
| 07:42.10 | NightHawkTheSane | the other third of the time we insult cnc|work. ;) |
| 07:42.17 | NightHawkTheSane | s/third/two thirds/ |
| 07:42.24 | Synp | !! |
| 07:42.35 | Synp | We could trade something? |
| 07:42.59 | cnc|work | and the other 15% we talk about how Sane NightHawk is |
| 07:43.31 | Sixen | [12:42:34 AM] Cairenn: Well, usually we talk about coding addons for WoW |
| 07:43.35 | Sixen | Here? In WoWUIDev? |
| 07:43.37 | Synp | Hah. |
| 07:43.37 | Sixen | ;) |
| 07:43.52 | Synp | Alright, I guess I'll just leave, you guys aren't that fun. |
| 07:43.59 | Sixen | Lawl. |
| 07:44.13 | Sixen | mebe if we tak liek diz, we b moar phun |
| 07:44.46 | Synp | Possibly |
| 07:44.52 | Thunder_Child | Sat least i can spell better if you talk like that |
| 07:46.43 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child |
| 07:46.45 | Fisker- | destroy tiems |
| 07:47.24 | Thunder_Child | destroy items |
| 07:47.57 | Fisker- | no |
| 07:53.02 | bleeter | oO http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903702057&sid=1 |
| 07:53.42 | Fisker- | no u bleeter |
| 07:53.45 | bleeter | I only oO as I've never seen the ad company name shown there pop up in my noscript |
| 07:53.53 | cnc|work | let me check the code |
| 07:54.07 | bleeter | yah, i'm going through a forum page code atm |
| 07:54.23 | bleeter | god that's a lot of empty lines =)) |
| 07:54.23 | cnc|work | he's right |
| 07:54.25 | cnc|work | just checked it |
| 07:55.07 | Fisker- | how do i ctrl+f? |
| 07:55.19 | bleeter | Fisker-: take a hammer to your left temple |
| 07:55.28 | Fisker- | Then i suggest you do that |
| 07:55.39 | Fisker- | cause apparently you had to use your "1337 chex0ring skills" |
| 07:56.50 | bleeter | my curiousity is piqued by the lack of NoScript notification of the website concerned... hmm, time to break out adblock foo I guess, as it's not script stuffs |
| 07:57.23 | cnc|work | its not a script though |
| 07:57.27 | cnc|work | just an iframe with nothing in it |
| 07:57.33 | cnc|work | when you hit the code directly you get an empty page |
| 07:57.58 | bleeter | yar |
| 07:58.09 | bleeter | ABP blocks it, anyways |
| 07:59.56 | Fisker- | omg i'm raping you |
| 08:01.20 | bleeter | and i'm tearing off your head and shitting down your neck while putting your balls in a vice and jamming it shut then using an oxy torch |
| 08:01.27 | bleeter | yes, I hate mis-use of the word 'rape' that much |
| 08:01.37 | Fisker- | proceed |
| 08:01.50 | Corrodias | WAIT |
| 08:01.51 | Fisker- | oh yeah so do i |
| 08:01.55 | Corrodias | i need a camera |
| 08:02.00 | Fisker- | for what? |
| 08:02.17 | Corrodias | to record bleeter's activities. i kinda like that. |
| 08:04.49 | Fisker- | Sorry for the mis-use of rape :o |
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| 08:05.34 | Corrodias | rape has certain uses that should not be exceeded |
| 08:05.56 | Fisker- | No need to discuss further, just wanted to say :( |
| 08:06.02 | Cairenn | it's very very easy - it isn't a joke, it isn't funny, not even a little |
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| 08:09.06 | bleeter | Fisker-: I've been asked to take you off ignore so I could see what passed for your apology, however I won't. Anyone who thinks rape is 'amusing' and can be 'joked' about in a public forum needs serious reprogramming. |
| 08:09.23 | Cairenn | let it go |
| 08:09.33 | bleeter | gone |
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| 08:12.45 | Sixen | o_O |
| 08:13.48 | cnc|work | Fisker-: you're nearly as bad as our guild troll, control yourself a bit :p |
| 08:15.29 | Gnarfoz | I find what bleeter said way more offensive, tbh >_> |
| 08:15.31 | Cairenn | guys, it's been dealt with, move on please :) |
| 08:15.57 | Sixen | I missed this whole thing. |
| 08:16.00 | Sixen | Oh |
| 08:16.03 | Sixen | Nevermind. |
| 08:16.10 | durcyn | you know what word you can't mis-use? Pie. Pie's great like that. |
| 08:16.11 | Gnarfoz | why do SavedVariables have to be globals, btw? |
| 08:16.34 | Corrodias | because if they were local to the savedvariables file, they wouldn't be accessible by your addon. i think. |
| 08:16.43 | Sixen | Holy... Bleet, did you think of that on the spot? |
| 08:16.50 | Gnarfoz | Corrodias: nah, the other way around |
| 08:16.59 | Elkano | if they were local, they would only exist in the file they are stored in |
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| 08:17.53 | Gnarfoz | I mean the variable in my addon that the engine's SavedVariable copying apparatus copies to the addon's SavedVariables file |
| 08:18.17 | Gnarfoz | hm, I guess restoring the value on load would be more tricky to do when it's local |
| 08:18.58 | Snago | Nothing wrong with having both a global and a local reference though |
| 08:20.00 | Corrodias | except the CHAOS that thus ensues |
| 08:20.24 | Snago | oh, yeah.. forgot about that.. CHAOS is bad, mkay |
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| 08:21.27 | Corrodias | unless you're of chaotic alignment |
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| 12:18.36 | Atriace | I can't believe I'm awake, sweet! |
| 12:19.12 | amro | was armageddon scheduled for today? |
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| 12:19.58 | Atriace | I'm usually awake at this hour... without sleep. Today I got the upperhand on my poor sleeping habits. |
| 12:24.09 | Snago | is raid11 for me also raid11 for everyone else in the raid? |
| 12:24.41 | Atriace | Only if you're not in the group raid11 is in |
| 12:25.45 | Atriace | Can't you use a GUID? |
| 12:27.36 | Snago | But if I'm in raid11s group I can use either raid11 or party1, right? |
| 12:28.17 | Atriace | Um... I'm pretty sure the answer is no. |
| 12:28.44 | Snago | (maybe not party1 but there will be two unit strings to the same unit?) |
| 12:28.54 | Snago | one raid and one party |
| 12:31.32 | Atriace | Yes, they'll have 2 UnitIDs, one as "partyN" the other as "raidN" |
| 12:32.26 | Atriace | The raidindex corresponding to each unit will change though. On their screens, you might be Party2, but on yours you're "player" and somebody else is "party2" |
| 12:32.58 | Atriace | Well... for parties at least. I need to verify the fluidity of the raidindex |
| 12:34.04 | Snago | Yes, I'm aware of the fact that party2 for me is not the same as party2 for the ones in my party.. The question is.. Is it the same for raids? |
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| 12:40.01 | cnc|work | Snago: yes |
| 12:41.07 | Funkeh` | any admins about? |
| 12:41.08 | Snago | cnc|work: yes as in "raidN behaves like partyN" or as in "raidN is sane"? |
| 12:41.27 | cnc|work | the former |
| 12:41.53 | Snago | ok, thanks |
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| 12:52.34 | Atriace | Do I have this right? It's better to keep your tables numerically keyed and simply use a subtable to denote the key strings in order conserve memory usage. |
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| 12:55.17 | Snago | What? |
| 12:55.43 | Snago | Using a subtable = more tables = more memory, or did I misunderstand? |
| 12:56.49 | Atriace | A new empty table will use 40 bytes. For each string based key that you use in a table it's an outright extra 40 bytes per entry as opposed to a numeric key which is an incremental 16 bytes. |
| 12:57.47 | Atriace | So, it would seem if you have a large table, rather than giving string keys, create a subtable to your table, numerically index both, and give the subtable the intelligible strings for the keys of the first. |
| 12:58.15 | Snago | Ow, so you were thinking something like on table with keystrings and one with values, both numerically indexed? |
| 12:58.37 | Atriace | yup |
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| 13:02.09 | Josh_Borke | Atriace: i think that sort of micro-optimization is unnecessary |
| 13:02.51 | Atriace | It might be, but it's a programming lesson, in this case. |
| 13:03.05 | Atriace | I just wanted to know if what I stated was accurate |
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| 13:03.12 | Josh_Borke | the problem with index'd tables is you are doubling the size of your table |
| 13:03.47 | Josh_Borke | so instead of N key/value pairs, you have 2N key/value pairs and have to do 2 lookups for every entry |
| 13:04.52 | Atriace | Indeed. But would it be less memory? |
| 13:05.02 | Josh_Borke | well, you should just test it |
| 13:05.42 | Josh_Borke | so you're talking 32 bytes vs 40 bytes for every key/value pair |
| 13:06.04 | Josh_Borke | so it appears it will use less memory, by 8 bytes |
| 13:06.37 | Snago | you'll need one more table @ 40 bytes though |
| 13:06.59 | Snago | so for less than 5 indices you'll even use more memory :P |
| 13:17.59 | cnc|work | what tag do people usualy give to untested code that still needs to be tested ? |
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| 13:23.45 | bleeter | ;) :P |
| 13:24.13 | Lopeppeppy | Bah, bleeter. It's my fantasy, let me live it. |
| 13:24.20 | bleeter | hahah kk, np :D |
| 13:25.26 | Lopeppeppy | Mornings are not my best time. *cries* At least I'm in a good mood! |
| 13:27.24 | malreth | ~tickle Lopeppeppy |
| 13:27.25 | purl | ACTION jumps on Lopeppeppy, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 13:27.56 | Lopeppeppy | *cry* |
| 13:28.01 | Lopeppeppy | Brute. |
| 13:28.56 | Josh_Borke | cnc|work: beta? |
| 13:29.20 | cnc|work | Josh_Borke: well, beta code has been tested at least a bit by definition |
| 13:29.27 | Josh_Borke | there's also alpha |
| 13:29.35 | Josh_Borke | usually considered very buggy |
| 13:29.49 | Lopeppeppy | and by definition, comes first. :) |
| 13:29.54 | cnc|work | well, I'd jsut need a tag to put into my code so I can grep -- TAG |
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| 14:02.17 | Atriace | People are like a box of chocolates. |
| 14:02.28 | Atriace | You never know which ones are coconut, so sometimes you have to cut one open just to find out. And sometimes when you're absolutely positive they're not coconut, you bite into one that looks like caramel and it turns out to be hollowed out on the inside and filled with some sick juicy cherry that makes you puke. |
| 14:02.51 | DARKGuy | o.O |
| 14:02.58 | Atriace | Uh, typo. I meant "hi!" :) |
| 14:03.02 | DARKGuy | you sure have eaten a lot of chocolate then :p |
| 14:03.07 | DARKGuy | hi ^_^ |
| 14:03.46 | DARKGuy | interesting analogy though XD |
| 14:04.25 | cnc|work | intresting analogy idd haha |
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| 14:39.31 | cnc|work | Poor |Jelly| |
| 14:39.44 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, he understands me! |
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| 15:08.39 | |Jelly| | Wait ... what? |
| 15:08.52 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, handsome. *hug* |
| 15:09.28 | |Jelly| | How are you? |
| 15:12.24 | Lopeppeppy | Scatterbrained and homicidal. Yourself? |
| 15:12.35 | |Jelly| | yawny and sore |
| 15:13.05 | AckisWork | ohh homicidal sweet |
| 15:13.21 | Lopeppeppy | *hugs all around* |
| 15:13.34 | cog|work | homicidal hugs? |
| 15:13.45 | |Jelly| | Those are my favorite. |
| 15:13.55 | Lopeppeppy | Then you can have some. |
| 15:13.59 | Atriace | python hugs of doom! |
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| 15:15.28 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cide |
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| 15:16.53 | Cide | morning peppy! |
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| 15:19.59 | Atriace | oh boy, I love css |
| 15:29.04 | Fisker- | i am tired :( |
| 15:29.31 | Lopeppeppy | Go take a nap |
| 15:29.50 | AckisWork | sleep with the fishes |
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| 15:32.48 | cog|work | s/seeps/sleeps/ |
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| 15:33.04 | cog|work | come on, caffeine, do your job! |
| 15:34.07 | Fisker- | >:) |
| 15:34.37 | cog|work | kd3: you know, i had actually never seen that mythbusters... I've always wondered where that column of flame came from |
| 15:36.13 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4896119748&postId=48953092403&sid=1#1 <-OH MY GODS |
| 15:36.52 | cog|work | ... |
| 15:37.08 | cog|work | sometimes i just don't feel sorry for people |
| 15:37.15 | cog|work | their parents, maybe... |
| 15:39.14 | Lopeppeppy | But not them. *shakes head* |
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| 15:47.42 | laeg | #wowace |
| 15:47.45 | laeg | whoops |
| 15:49.50 | cog|work | I especially don't feel sorry for all the people getting themselves keylogged by clicking on those sex leg links... |
| 15:50.17 | cog|work | s/clicking on/copying and pasting into their address bar |
| 15:50.28 | cog|work | i mean, that takes effort... |
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| 15:51.05 | DARKGuy | @hotmail |
| 15:51.06 | DARKGuy | roflmao |
| 15:51.31 | |Jelly| | @hackyouraccountandshardurpurplez.org |
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| 16:04.44 | Atriace | Oh looky that! Jimbo responded: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Questions_for_Activision_Blizzard_CEO_Robert_Kotick.3F |
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| 16:13.42 | Fisker- | meh Atriace |
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| 16:14.25 | Fisker- | You must construct additional anti-stupid |
| 16:14.35 | Atriace | I know... no news from CEOs |
| 16:14.59 | Fisker- | Not to mention that the company itself isn't much to do with Blizzard |
| 16:15.08 | Fisker- | Even though Neth implies so |
| 16:15.34 | Atriace | Kotick's response did sound like a press release. |
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| 16:18.45 | cog|work | /boggle |
| 16:18.47 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11961247&postId=79028021035&sid=1#4 |
| 16:19.35 | malreth | there has been a bizarre increase in thread necromancy lately |
| 16:19.52 | AckisWork | ohh necro month |
| 16:20.09 | AckisWork | cog, since you're green can you unban my forum account? :P |
| 16:20.25 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, riiiiight. |
| 16:20.52 | cog|work | someone needs to read the MVP FAQ :P |
| 16:21.04 | Fisker- | i would've been MVP :( |
| 16:21.10 | Fisker- | If EU had a MVP program for customer support :D |
| 16:21.15 | AckisWork | lol I know you can't :P just wanting to bug you :P |
| 16:21.15 | malreth | i'll never be MVP |
| 16:21.21 | AckisWork | ps: how can I make a random mount macro? :P |
| 16:21.28 | cog|work | malreth: unlike other people who say that, you'll never be asked |
| 16:21.30 | malreth | ~boot AckisWork |
| 16:21.30 | purl | ACTION inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across AckisWork to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts AckisWork out to where he belongs! |
| 16:21.30 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:21.36 | cog|work | AckisWork: RTFS |
| 16:21.46 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:21.48 | AckisWork | lol |
| 16:21.57 | AckisWork | I'm actually one of the people that does :( |
| 16:21.59 | malreth | ~botsnack |
| 16:21.59 | purl | malreth: :) |
| 16:22.03 | AckisWork | I have your post bookmarked :P |
| 16:22.18 | cog|work | both of my stickies explain how in varying levels of detail ;) |
| 16:22.20 | AckisWork | I would post suggestions but I'm banned!!! :P ahaha |
| 16:22.38 | cog|work | suggestion: don't do things that get you banned :P |
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| 16:22.48 | cog|work | perma or temp? |
| 16:22.50 | AckisWork | yah the UI stickies are (IMO) the only useful stickies on the forums |
| 16:22.51 | AckisWork | perma |
| 16:22.57 | AckisWork | no warning, just boom :( |
| 16:23.03 | Fisker- | I've got a permaban as well |
| 16:23.10 | Fisker- | it was for great justice though |
| 16:23.13 | Fisker- | so i was unbanned again |
| 16:24.47 | cog|work | AckisWork: they should've sent you an email afaik |
| 16:24.59 | AckisWork | would like to see more things of "you can't do this with a macro" fwiw, struggled with target= for a while (can be unit, or player name in your party/raid, but can't be mob name) |
| 16:25.00 | cog|work | and if it wasn't justified you can appeal |
| 16:25.06 | AckisWork | they did, and I appealed |
| 16:25.25 | AckisWork | it was in the CS forums and they were doing a double standard, was pretty retarded |
| 16:25.30 | Lopeppeppy | AckisWork, you can see a complete list of what's allowed in Cogwheel's sticky. It's a heck of a lot shorter to write it that way, rather than vice versa! |
| 16:25.53 | AckisWork | Lopeppeppy: read the stickies :P trust me, re-read them about 4x as well |
| 16:26.24 | cog|work | AckisWork: the [target=] section specifically references http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitId |
| 16:26.35 | cog|work | which says what you want |
| 16:26.56 | AckisWork | but them you get posts like http://www.bosskillers.com/cgi-bin/bbguild/index.cgi?action=view_guide&guide_id=406 ( /cast [target=dark fiend] Dispel Magic ) which confuse the issue |
| 16:29.26 | AckisWork | I struggled with the target=mob name for a while because it works off of UnitID but also player names, so I made the logical (but incorrect) jump that it would work off of mob names, plus seeing posts like that on bosskillers also confused it a bit |
| 16:29.57 | cog|work | AckisWork: that's what I'm saying... The documentation for UnitID is what specifies the ability to use the names of party/raid members |
| 16:29.59 | foxlit | I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that guide |
| 16:30.53 | AckisWork | cog|work: maybe the UnitID needs to have something explicit identified in the "npcs" category /shrug just some comments because I chased my tail on that issue for a bit until getting an answer here on IRC |
| 16:31.11 | AckisWork | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Ackis/MyMacros <-- all of those made due to your sexy stickies :P |
| 16:31.14 | cog|work | AckisWork: http://www.wowwiki.com/UnitId#Others |
| 16:31.31 | cog|work | "This must be spelled exactly and will be invalid if the named player is not a part of your party or raid." |
| 16:32.20 | cog|work | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_types#unitID is a bit more concise... i'll probably change the link |
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| 16:33.35 | AckisWork | just saying/trying to add a bit of value... I know what I can/cannot do now, but that you couldn't use mob names in target= wasn't clear to me, maybe it was just my interpretation however :P |
| 16:33.59 | cog|work | when there's nothing that says you can, assume you can't :P |
| 16:34.44 | AckisWork | well you can use player names, can use NPC names... :P why wouldn't you be able to use mob names? :P that's how I was thinking |
| 16:34.48 | Industrial | How do I target a mob if I have no target? "/targetenemy [target,noexists]" doesnt work |
| 16:34.53 | cog|work | you can't use NPC names afaik |
| 16:35.07 | AckisWork | the wiki said you could if you're interacting with them |
| 16:35.18 | cog|work | no, that's the "NPC" unit |
| 16:35.23 | AckisWork | ahh |
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| 16:41.30 | batrick | I find it prety cool my suggestion here got added: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=879058320&postId=24711509195&sid=1#202 |
| 16:41.34 | batrick | ir genius |
| 16:44.39 | Fisker- | wut? |
| 16:45.28 | Fisker- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903742318&sid=1 OMG cog|work |
| 16:45.31 | Fisker- | you better reply fast |
| 16:45.33 | Fisker- | it's urgent! |
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| 16:50.04 | cog|work | ZOMG REEPLAIEDED!! |
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| 16:50.46 | Fisker- | you should feel bad |
| 16:50.48 | foxlit | zomg no multisampling |
| 16:50.53 | foxlit | what's with you people :( |
| 16:51.06 | cog|work | foxlit: that was back when I was on a 6800 |
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| 16:51.16 | Fisker- | old ui is old? |
| 16:51.19 | wereHamster | move with the mouse?? |
| 16:51.21 | cog|work | now i play at 1920x1200 with 4x multisample |
| 16:51.29 | cog|work | and all video settings maxed |
| 16:51.50 | wereHamster | which graphics card? |
| 16:51.54 | foxlit | see, I'd file that under "major changes" :) |
| 16:51.57 | cog|work | 8800 GTS |
| 16:52.11 | cog|work | foxlit: that's not UI, it's just pretty :P |
| 16:52.38 | foxlit | What's interesting is that I've observed little penalty for enabling [moderate] multisampling on most of my nvidia cards |
| 16:53.36 | wereHamster | that's to be expcted. multisampling doesn't come for free |
| 16:53.54 | foxlit | s/little/little to no/ |
| 16:53.58 | cog|work | wereHamster: not "a little" just "little" |
| 16:54.04 | cog|work | meaning "not much" |
| 16:54.40 | wereHamster | ah, well, that's good then, isn't it? |
| 16:55.42 | batrick | was there never any mention of them adding a short server side queue for spells? |
| 16:55.44 | cog|work | yes. that was his point |
| 16:55.45 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:55.52 | batrick | (because there is one now) |
| 16:55.55 | cog|work | batrick: they didn't add a queue per se |
| 16:56.21 | cog|work | they just changed it so the castability checks are performed server side |
| 16:56.27 | cog|work | so the latency effects are mitigated |
| 16:56.40 | batrick | I'm familiar witht hose changes, they added a single spell queue |
| 16:56.48 | cog|work | not that i know of... |
| 16:56.52 | batrick | that is valid up to ~300 ms of the current cast ending |
| 16:56.53 | batrick | try it |
| 16:56.56 | kamdis | why won't that Magelo thread just die already? |
| 16:57.09 | batrick | I suggested it in that post I linked, I didn't see any word of them implementing it |
| 16:57.12 | cog|work | wereHamster: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?forumId=11114&sid=1&topicId=32316394&pageNo=1#2 <-- an old explanation of my keybinding/mouse movement setup |
| 16:57.18 | cog|work | batrick: what's your ping? |
| 16:57.23 | batrick | 89ms |
| 16:57.32 | cog|work | server lag then imo |
| 16:57.39 | batrick | don't think so |
| 16:57.49 | cog|work | unless they did change it, but slouken specifically declined a queue at one point |
| 16:57.51 | foxlit | the number wow gives as your ping has little meaning |
| 16:57.58 | batrick | I've hit frostbolt about 500ms before my current cast is done and the server starts it |
| 16:58.16 | cog|work | that's just lag. what's it look like with quartz? |
| 16:58.29 | batrick | I'm telling you it's not lag |
| 16:58.47 | batrick | I remember what it was like with the old system, it's different now |
| 16:58.58 | batrick | (I've been gone for 6 monthes) |
| 16:59.07 | batrick | old system being 2.3 |
| 16:59.08 | cog|work | I did notice a difference in a recent patch, but it was in the opposite direction of what you're suggesting |
| 17:00.07 | cog|work | as in it was LESS lenient on when you could start casting the next spell |
| 17:00.10 | wereHamster | cog|work: interesting concept :) |
| 17:01.05 | cog|work | (based on my observations with Quartz' latency bar) |
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| 17:02.11 | cog|work | kamdis: I'm surprised you didn't say "but I am" :P |
| 17:03.21 | cog|work | I suppose since I'm green now I can't use my comparison to getting computer advice from best buy employees... |
| 17:03.49 | batrick | cog|work: there's no way it's lag, because I'm getting it to work 500ms before my current cast ends |
| 17:04.10 | batrick | quartz readjusts the latency based on the last successful cast |
| 17:04.14 | batrick | so that's not reliable |
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| 17:04.44 | Fisker- | o hi cog|work |
| 17:04.58 | Fisker- | i just hate having 2TB of storage and nothing to put on it |
| 17:05.06 | AckisWork | pr0n? |
| 17:05.51 | Fisker- | That's on my harddrives hidden 1TB partition |
| 17:06.03 | Fisker- | It comes with all the new Western Digital GP drives |
| 17:06.08 | Fisker- | "Great Pr0n" |
| 17:07.30 | kd3 | I'm worried... at the rate I'm going I'm probably going to break a terabyte of data on my raid some time this month |
| 17:07.39 | kd3 | it's sitting at 963 gigs right now |
| 17:09.12 | cog|work | batrick: comparing quartz' behavior before the change to its behavior after the change seems valid to me... also, it's pretty easy to tell when it's off. The first time you'll get a really large bar, then it normalizes. |
| 17:09.27 | ZealotOnAStick | kd3: what all do you have on there? |
| 17:09.43 | cog|work | it's definitely a more accurate reflection of the server's actual response time for casting spells as opposed to its ping |
| 17:09.54 | kd3 | anime, manga, music (mostly flacs), other work stuff |
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| 17:14.04 | batrick | cog|work: I'm gonna have to disagree :) |
| 17:14.09 | kd3 | something like this: http://wowi.pastey.net/91101 |
| 17:15.39 | Shirik | ... wtb kd3 |
| 17:16.43 | Kirov | Server side spells, to my knowledge, are 1/2 a second shorter in cast time than client side. |
| 17:17.15 | kd3 | and heh... what a pastey id # |
| 17:17.51 | Kirov | I know this was the case before they moved non-global cooldown "castable" checks to the server, and I don't believe they've removed that. |
| 17:19.29 | Kirov | batrick - That's why you can cast 500ms before your current client side cast ends. |
| 17:20.03 | batrick | 1/2 second shorter cast times on server side? |
| 17:20.06 | Kirov | Previously people were using /stopcasting macros to cancel the current cast at the 1/2 second mark and start a new cast. |
| 17:20.09 | batrick | where did you find this out? |
| 17:21.14 | Kirov | It was mused about on the forums for a while when the whole /stopcasting "hack" got popularized. It's been confirmed by blue, but I'm not sure if it was ever confirmed on the forums. |
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| 17:36.35 | Kirov | It might actually be closer to 1/4th of a second, I don't remember the exact timing. |
| 17:36.35 | Kirov | 1 - Client sends spell cast message to server, starts global cooldown locally. |
| 17:36.35 | Kirov | 2 - Server receives spell cast message, starts spell cast timer and sends back a response to the client. The server side timer is started 1/2 a second in to the cast to attempt to compensate for lag. |
| 17:36.35 | Kirov | 3 - Client starts cast timer from the point that the cast was started client side. |
| 17:36.37 | Kirov | 4 - Server finishes cast timer and casts the spell's effect, sends successful cast to client. |
| 17:36.39 | Kirov | 5 - Client receives cast message, but finishes timer locally. |
| 17:39.28 | Kirov | Pre 2.3, players were using /stopcasting macros to interupt the client side cast timer since the client would prevent spell cast messages from being passed to the server until the cast timer was finished. This wouldn't stop the server side cast as it had already finished casting. Post 2.3, the client sends the cast message to the server every time you press the button outside of global cooldown. |
| 17:45.49 | Industrial | Wish wow had a casting queue. Cast one spell and press a button for the next, it casts it right after the current so you don't lose any time. If the casting is interrupted the next cast is also interrupted. |
| 17:46.13 | Industrial | Would work magic with getting pushback. |
| 17:46.36 | nevcairiel | that actually works |
| 17:46.44 | nevcairiel | if you press in the last 0.5s of your cast or so |
| 17:47.05 | nevcairiel | try it :) |
| 17:47.07 | sacarasc | i just noticed that recently |
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| 17:48.07 | Dreagar | Mornin everyone. :) |
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| 18:00.24 | Kirov | Isn't that what I just finished explaining isn't a casting queue? |
| 18:00.33 | Kirov | It's the server already finished casting |
| 18:01.16 | malreth | doh! |
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| 18:04.13 | Kirov | cog|work - overstated |
| 18:04.33 | malreth | cog|work - overrated |
| 18:04.38 | Industrial | Kirov: yes i know, just saying :P |
| 18:05.02 | Industrial | i just mash the button 3-4 times when the cast is about to end to minimize delay atm |
| 18:05.14 | Kirov | same |
| 18:05.34 | cog|work | Industrial: that's actually worse because it starts the GCD on your client until the server responds saying it wasn't successful |
| 18:05.56 | Industrial | cog|work: while you are casting something else? |
| 18:06.06 | malreth | i hold down the button for the spell i wish to cast, release and press down again as the cast bar hits the latency meter in Quartz |
| 18:06.15 | malreth | the spells chain perfectly one after another |
| 18:06.20 | cog|work | Industrial: i thought so |
| 18:11.42 | cog|work | actually, i'm almost certain. Because if you're casting something and you're not already in GCD, it *will* send the cast to the server |
| 18:11.42 | Industrial | But wont the gcd fail when you are casting client side? |
| 18:11.42 | Industrial | I haven't played in a while, logging my shammy :3 |
| 18:11.42 | Kirov | fail? |
| 18:11.42 | cog|work | if the casting time is shorter than the GCD then you're ok |
| 18:11.42 | cog|work | most spells where any of this makes any difference are longer than the GCD anyway |
| 18:11.43 | Industrial | Kirov: yeah I mean why put a gcd on when the client believes you are still casting something else? |
| 18:11.43 | cog|work | because the client could be wrong about you still casting something else |
| 18:11.43 | cog|work | that's the whole point of what we're talking about :P |
| 18:11.43 | cog|work | whenever you're not in GCD, spell casts are always sent to the server |
| 18:12.12 | Kirov | The server has no concept of global cooldown. Technically you could probably hack your client to remove the global cooldown and spam an instant cast / no cooldown spell enough to drain your entire mana pool in < 1 second. |
| 18:12.26 | Kirov | You'd get perma banned about 10 seconds later, but you could do it. |
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| 18:13.02 | foxlit | MOONFIRE? |
| 18:13.21 | Gnarfoz | ice lance =D |
| 18:15.05 | malreth | ooh... |
| 18:15.07 | Kirov | On a side note, melee swings and auto fire both function exactly the same way as spells. If you're attack speed is < 1/2 second you will be basically instant-cast attacking every 1/2 second as far as the server is concerned. |
| 18:15.17 | Kirov | auto shot rather |
| 18:15.33 | malreth | frost nova -> megaspam ice lance = UBER LEET |
| 18:15.48 | kamdis | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903702688&sid=1 /headdesk |
| 18:15.49 | Kirov | Any hunters I'm sure have experienced the start autoshot, turn away and run, and you shoot while facing the wrong direction and running. |
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| 18:18.14 | cog|work | kamdis: you owe me an excedrin |
| 18:18.32 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:18.40 | malreth | i resisted the urge to tell the guy to ditch windows |
| 18:18.52 | malreth | ~pat me |
| 18:18.53 | purl | ACTION pats malreth and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 18:19.16 | Kirov | malreth - tell him to use linux, then he'll never get back online again to be able to complain |
| 18:19.38 | kamdis | cog|work Indeed. consider this my IOU. |
| 18:20.38 | Kirov | http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/Veritas_Vos_Liberabit.PNG - bwahahaha |
| 18:21.19 | malreth | Kirov: you axed for it |
| 18:21.39 | cog|work | Kirov: <3 |
| 18:22.01 | cog|work | I should post that on our front door... |
| 18:22.17 | cog|work | we got our first door-to-door religion peddlers within 3 weeks of moving in... |
| 18:22.27 | Esamynn | always fun |
| 18:22.56 | malreth | I ask them if they're here to fix the cable |
| 18:23.12 | Esamynn | and when they say no? |
| 18:23.22 | kamdis | I tell them I have already come to terms with the fact that if I'm wrong, I'm going to hell. |
| 18:23.36 | kamdis | (wrong about there not being a God that is) |
| 18:23.44 | cog|work | My mom let them in once 'cause they were cute... :\ |
| 18:23.56 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 18:24.05 | cog|work | when she got sick of them we put a Darwin Loves You sticker on the door and they never knocked again |
| 18:24.15 | kamdis | nice |
| 18:24.24 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903702688&postId=79028121641&sid=1#1 |
| 18:24.47 | Kirov | A family friend has a story of the last time he ever had someone come to his door. One morning he was taking a shower and there was a knock on the door. He quickly ran out of the shower, grabbed a towel and ran to the door. Now I should note he lives on a military base, so when people knock on your door it's usually important. He looks out eye hole and sees a clean cut man holding a bible. He thinks about it for a second then thro |
| 18:24.56 | kamdis | Same dude posted a macro in another thread that can only be reacted to with a "WTF?" |
| 18:24.58 | Dashkal | malreth: win |
| 18:25.01 | kd3 | mal; lol |
| 18:25.39 | kamdis | Kirov, you tease |
| 18:25.44 | Esamynn | Kirov: you cut off at "He thinks about it for a second then thro" |
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| 18:25.52 | Kirov | He thinks about it for a second then throws his towel to the side and opens the door. |
| 18:25.52 | kamdis | it's like withholding the punch line |
| 18:26.17 | Esamynn | Kirov: nice! |
| 18:26.30 | kd3 | lmao |
| 18:26.39 | kamdis | I would try that, except I have lots of kids in the neighborhood |
| 18:26.45 | Kirov | Aparently the guys face when from the usual plastered smile to horror. |
| 18:26.54 | Kirov | He then ran away praying. |
| 18:26.56 | kamdis | Maybe I'll just answer the door with the shotgun in hand. ;-) |
| 18:27.22 | Kirov | kamdis - this guy could of done that too. Did I mention he lives on a military base? |
| 18:27.27 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:28.10 | foxlit | hm, I probably want a new PC case |
| 18:28.47 | Kirov | My uncle has a good story too. He actually invited one in once and sat down and asked him to explain to him why he should believe in that book and not another. The religious guy said, "Because more people believe in this one!" My uncle told him to hold on for a second, walked over and grabbed a copy of the Koran. |
| 18:28.57 | kamdis | Kirov, you did. I think I'd prefer the gun version for my own use, though wet and naked + gun would be total win. |
| 18:29.15 | foxlit | anyone have any favorites? |
| 18:29.18 | Kirov | "Actually, about 100 times more people believe this one, so you're saying we should both believe in this book. Here, take I copy, I have others." |
| 18:29.50 | Kirov | That guy politely exused himself and never came back either. |
| 18:30.35 | Kirov | My dad used the same tactic a few years later. The house my dad still lives at is next to two christian churches and a jehova's witness church. |
| 18:30.53 | Kirov | We had people come to our door the first year we were there, and never again. |
| 18:31.11 | kamdis | heh |
| 18:31.12 | Kirov | Never underestimate the power of the Koran. |
| 18:31.16 | kamdis | where do you live? |
| 18:31.49 | Kirov | kamdis - I used to live in southern california. We just happened to live next to three churches. |
| 18:32.03 | kd3 | huh, I should get a copy of the Koran if I ever move back into civilization |
| 18:32.04 | Kirov | Three churches next to eachother is an oddity in itself. |
| 18:32.07 | kd3 | just for that |
| 18:32.11 | cog|work | i think my biggest culture shock when I went to Texas was seeing traffic hazard signs that said nothing but "Church" |
| 18:32.13 | kamdis | that's true |
| 18:32.26 | kd3 | cog; welcome to the bible belt? |
| 18:32.27 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 18:32.35 | kamdis | We have a church right up the street, less than a block away and never get anyone knocking. |
| 18:32.44 | kd3 | they're all over the damn place in "jawga". |
| 18:33.20 | foxlit | I wonder if those roaming bands of people ever stumble onto each other's houses |
| 18:33.36 | foxlit | And if so, is there any amount of professional courtesy between them? :) |
| 18:33.51 | kamdis | hehe, excellent question foxlit |
| 18:34.46 | Dashkal | I had never through of that |
| 18:34.56 | Dashkal | that would be an interesting place to be a fly on the wall... |
| 18:35.11 | kamdis | Maybe they have some sort of symbol on the door |
| 18:35.24 | kamdis | "don't knock, another evangelist lives here" |
| 18:35.30 | kamdis | if so, i wanna know what it is! |
| 18:35.33 | kamdis | :-D |
| 18:35.49 | cog|work | I'll ask next time they come :P |
| 18:36.43 | kamdis | I need to try the Darwin loves you sticker method. |
| 18:36.48 | cog|work | oh ... i forget that my wife's family is ex-mormon... |
| 18:37.06 | cog|work | they said they got witnesses knocking all the time |
| 18:37.16 | kamdis | Mormons are surprisinly willing to walk away when you politely say "no thank you" at least in my experience |
| 18:37.38 | cog|work | s/they/she/ |
| 18:38.16 | cog|work | yeah, "no thanks" works pretty well... being interrupted in the first place is often the problem though |
| 18:38.17 | kd3 | to be honest, I'm surprised the FSM tag on the back of my car hasn't gotten it keyed yet |
| 18:38.50 | kamdis | I don't think most people know what that is. |
| 18:39.01 | kamdis | I've seen some driving around the bay area. |
| 18:39.22 | cog|work | yeah but here in the bay area, people drive around with pretty much everything on their cars :P |
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| 18:40.01 | kamdis | this is true |
| 18:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | kamdis: that we are |
| 18:40.45 | Shirik | so, my parents and I are both looking at expedia.com right now |
| 18:40.48 | Shirik | both looking at the same flight |
| 18:40.49 | kamdis | I actually saw an Escalade with a "Baby on Board" *bumper sticker* not window thing. Are they planning to be barefoot and pregnant forever? |
| 18:40.55 | Shirik | yet they see it for about $75 cheaper |
| 18:40.59 | Shirik | anyone have a good explanation for that? |
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| 18:42.08 | Esamynn | Shirik: yah, Expedia is cheating |
| 18:42.29 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:42.43 | cog|work | I can't wait until full color OLED e-paper gets cheaper |
| 18:42.48 | cog|work | dynamic bumper stickers 4tw |
| 18:42.48 | Esamynn | I don't actually know, but that's the first thought that comes to my mind |
| 18:42.56 | Esamynn | LOL |
| 18:43.07 | Shirik | omg |
| 18:43.13 | Shirik | dynamic bumper stickers... |
| 18:43.18 | Thunder_Child | lol cog|work, i read that as OLED toilet paper |
| 18:43.19 | Gnarfoz | scracth that |
| 18:43.22 | Gnarfoz | dynamic *bumpers* |
| 18:43.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Good going, cog. You gave Shirik an idea. |
| 18:43.44 | Shirik | f that |
| 18:43.46 | Shirik | my patent |
| 18:43.59 | Shirik | prove you came up with it |
| 18:44.13 | Esamynn | ~failrik |
| 18:44.13 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 18:44.15 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:44.20 | Esamynn | ~lart cog|work |
| 18:44.20 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps cog|work |
| 18:44.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, we ALL have logs... |
| 18:44.51 | Esamynn | ~gag Shirik |
| 18:44.51 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of Shirik and, as an additional precaution, sews Shirik's mouth shut permanently... |
| 18:44.51 | batrick | hi friends |
| 18:44.55 | Shirik | you could have modifed yours |
| 18:45.09 | Thunder_Child | I AM ABOVE THE LAW! |
| 18:45.14 | *** join/#wowuidev RockSlice (i=kvirc@c-76-123-69-54.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 18:45.15 | Gnarfoz | who say's TimRiker's not in on the game ;p |
| 18:45.17 | Esamynn | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 18:45.17 | purl | turns Thunder_Child into a lifesized tux doll |
| 18:45.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Tem (n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem) |
| 18:45.41 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+v Tem] by ChanServ |
| 18:45.52 | Shirik | I agree, TimRiker modified purl's logs too |
| 18:45.53 | Esamynn | ~emulate Tem |
| 18:45.54 | purl | Dammit, that's it. I'm breaking a new [something]! |
| 18:45.54 | batrick | Shirik: you know what's funny |
| 18:46.03 | Shirik | batrick: You trying to write C++ |
| 18:46.13 | batrick | there was recent talk on lua-l about multithreading in LUa |
| 18:46.23 | batrick | and they thought of that kernel idea we had already implemented |
| 18:46.26 | batrick | and ya that's funny too |
| 18:46.28 | Shirik | ha |
| 18:46.38 | Shirik | I saw that, but I didn't really read it |
| 18:46.51 | batrick | have you tried readin lua Lanes code? |
| 18:46.59 | batrick | i wanted to rip my eyes out |
| 18:47.01 | ScytheBlade1 | haha oh wow |
| 18:47.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ~slashdot |
| 18:47.06 | Shirik | yes, actually, I have |
| 18:47.09 | ScytheBlade1 | NOT MY WIN 3.11 |
| 18:47.10 | Shirik | and I felt the same way |
| 18:47.26 | Shirik | It's on MSDN |
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| 18:48.13 | kd3 | I can pull out 5-1/4" floppies if you want |
| 18:48.44 | Shirik | though honestly, ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:48.50 | Shirik | I can see why some people still want to use it |
| 18:49.14 | Shirik | but really, the embedded systems guys that article is targetting really need to get with the program. Hell you can get QNX for free by now |
| 18:49.25 | Shirik | if you don't like that, use Linux or something |
| 18:49.38 | cog|work | (and it wasn't even a public school) |
| 18:49.56 | breser | At this point it's mostly being used in stuff that was made a long time ago and works fine so nobody has felt the need to update. |
| 18:51.08 | batrick | Shirik: why i brought up lualanes is the author is goign to implement what we were doing |
| 18:51.16 | Shirik | oh really |
| 18:51.19 | batrick | yes |
| 18:51.35 | cog|work | Shirik: i give you full rights to my idea ... i just want the damned thing :P |
| 18:51.51 | Shirik | cog|work: When I have enough money, you'll get the first one :P |
| 18:52.12 | Shirik | batrick: Will it actually... work? :P |
| 18:52.15 | cog|work | wtb VC |
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| 18:54.17 | khangg | i'm using this addon called lucidity which basically strips down the default blizzard actionbars and changes a couple things, but the keybinding text still seems to be there :( any way i can hide it? |
| 18:54.38 | batrick | Shirik: I don't know |
| 18:54.48 | batrick | I think he's going to run into the same damn problems we did |
| 18:54.59 | Shirik | could make it work on vista easily |
| 18:55.02 | Shirik | only vista thouh |
| 18:55.13 | Shirik | for windows OSes, that is |
| 18:55.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Dekster (n=chatzill@netblock-68-183-40-143.dslextreme.com) |
| 18:55.55 | cog|work | khangg: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7529-JustTheArt.html |
| 18:56.07 | Shirik | also, batrick, I have a newfound hatred for eclipse |
| 18:56.14 | khangg | ty =) |
| 18:56.35 | batrick | Shirik: what do you mean make it work on vista easily? |
| 18:56.53 | Esamynn | Vista is a spawn of satan |
| 18:57.06 | Esamynn | ~vista |
| 18:57.11 | batrick | if satan spawns shit then I agree with you |
| 18:57.25 | Esamynn | purl, you fail |
| 18:57.26 | purl | ACTION slaps you for calling her a failure. |
| 18:57.37 | batrick | ~botwar |
| 18:57.46 | batrick | o ya Cairenn|afk deleted that |
| 18:57.49 | Shirik | batrick: Vista has new utilities that will ease the pain |
| 18:58.06 | batrick | if by new then you me stolen |
| 18:58.09 | Shirik | specifically SleepConditionVariableCS() |
| 18:58.13 | batrick | and if by stolen you mean originally invented |
| 18:58.18 | batrick | I mean* |
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| 18:58.30 | Shirik | well yes they didn't invent them |
| 18:58.34 | Shirik | but they finally support them :P |
| 18:58.42 | *** part/#wowuidev khangg (n=khangg@dhcp-0-17-9a-33-6d-f5.cpe.quickclic.net) |
| 18:59.01 | batrick | We should reevaluate how this all works |
| 18:59.08 | batrick | because I wasn't very happy with it |
| 18:59.31 | batrick | now that i've taken a fresh look at what we've doen |
| 18:59.36 | Esamynn | we need to teach purl about vista! |
| 19:00.13 | ScytheBlade1 | purl, vista is awesome |
| 19:00.13 | purl | ACTION installs vista on is awesome's computer and then insists that every program, file and even email have proper DRM, immediately permanently locking the computer the first time non-DRM spam arrives |
| 19:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 19:00.23 | ScytheBlade1 | .............. |
| 19:00.30 | Shirik | lmao |
| 19:00.50 | Esamynn | HAHA |
| 19:01.02 | kamdis | purl is smarter than we thought! |
| 19:01.13 | Esamynn | ~vista me |
| 19:01.13 | purl | ACTION installs vista on esamynn's computer and then insists that every program, file and even email have proper DRM, immediately permanently locking the computer the first time non-DRM spam arrives |
| 19:01.20 | malreth | ~factinfo vista |
| 19:01.21 | purl | there's no such factoid as vista, malreth |
| 19:01.22 | Esamynn | NOOOOOOOO! |
| 19:02.57 | Esamynn | ~factinfo cmd: vista (.*?) |
| 19:02.57 | purl | cmd: vista (.*?) -- created by SportChick <n=essy@about/essy/stouterik/pdpc.base.SportChick> at Thu Feb 1 04:15:18 2007 (525 days); it has been requested 20 times, last by Esamynn, 1m 26s ago. |
| 19:04.51 | batrick | there is a special circle of hell reserved for people who roll rogues |
| 19:05.13 | Esamynn | oh? |
| 19:05.19 | Esamynn | why is that? |
| 19:05.20 | batrick | yes |
| 19:05.20 | cog|work | specialer if it's a gnome |
| 19:07.50 | Artmi | batrick, rogues owns |
| 19:08.20 | batrick | diaf |
| 19:08.35 | Esamynn | such hate |
| 19:08.44 | cog|work | so much hatre... damn you Esamynn |
| 19:09.08 | Esamynn | ~fail cog|work |
| 19:09.09 | purl | You suck at everything in life, cog|work. I hate you because you fail. |
| 19:09.19 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 19:09.20 | purl | aw, gee, Esamynn |
| 19:09.25 | cog|work | ~purr |
| 19:09.26 | purl | ACTION *purrs purrs purrs* |
| 19:09.36 | Esamynn | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 19:09.37 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 19:09.38 | batrick | batbot: are rogues the devil? |
| 19:09.38 | batbot | batrick, Are you kidding? |
| 19:09.42 | batrick | batbot: no? |
| 19:09.42 | batbot | batrick, Most likely. |
| 19:09.45 | batrick | ^ |
| 19:10.31 | Esamynn | batbot: are YOU the devil? |
| 19:10.32 | batbot | Esamynn, Cannot predict now. |
| 19:10.39 | cog|work | !api GetQuestReward |
| 19:10.39 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'GetQuestReward' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetQuestReward |
| 19:11.51 | Esamynn | batrick: to what prompted this most recent spout of hatred for rogues? |
| 19:11.56 | Dreagar | I'm havin a horrible time with fauxScrollBar.. I got it all setup, just that one line of data is REALLY long sometimes, and don't fit into the box.. is there any way to make the button it's on wrap the text and extend the length of the button for just that purpose? |
| 19:12.06 | batrick | I hate how they have a million ways to rape mages |
| 19:12.21 | cog|work | batrick: QQ moar imo |
| 19:12.34 | batrick | nou |
| 19:12.35 | cog|work | mages have a million ways to rape me |
| 19:12.45 | Esamynn | haha |
| 19:12.46 | batrick | l2spellreflect |
| 19:13.00 | Dashkal | mages... unless frost (and even sometimes then) the one class my feral ass can munch |
| 19:13.14 | Esamynn | lol |
| 19:13.15 | batrick | ya and fuck druids too |
| 19:13.19 | Dashkal | :D |
| 19:13.28 | batrick | except i like feral druids |
| 19:13.33 | Esamynn | batrick: you're just jealous :P |
| 19:13.34 | batrick | cuz they r ez |
| 19:13.46 | Dashkal | batrick: Both easy and hard. Ever play a shapedancer? |
| 19:13.46 | batrick | jealous of what? |
| 19:13.50 | Shirik | lua> n = 0x85100084; s = ""; while n > 0 do s = n % 2 .. s; end; print(s) |
| 19:13.51 | lua_bot | Shirik: not enough memory |
| 19:13.53 | Esamynn | Flight Form, DUH! |
| 19:13.58 | Shirik | lua> n = 0x85100084; s = ""; while n > 0 do s = n % 2 .. s; n = n / 2 end; print(s) |
| 19:13.59 | lua_bot | Shirik: 4.9406564584125e-3249.8813129168249e-3241.976262583365e-3233.95252516673e-3237.9050503334599e-3231.6304166312761e-3223.2608332625522e-3226.5710730896886e-3221.3142146179377e-3212.6284292358754e-3215.2568584717509e-3211.051865759996e-3202.103731519992e-3204.2074630399841e-3208.4149260799681e-3201.682... (result truncated) |
| 19:14.00 | Shirik | omg |
| 19:14.00 | Dreagar | I'm thinkin the friends frame does somethin like that with the friends notes, but havina hell of a time figurin it out. |
| 19:14.17 | Shirik | lua> n = 0x85100084; s = ""; while n > 0 do s = n % 2 .. s; n = math.floor(n / 2) end; print(s) |
| 19:14.17 | lua_bot | Shirik: 10000101000100000000000010000100 |
| 19:14.20 | Shirik | there |
| 19:14.52 | Esamynn | Dreagar: FauxScrollFrame is... |
| 19:14.55 | cog|work | isn't there a format code to do that for you? |
| 19:14.57 | Esamynn | demonic |
| 19:15.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~FauxScrollFrame |
| 19:15.05 | purl | hmm... fauxscrollframe is one of the first Lua/XML systems written by Blizzard for the WoW user interface. Its learning curve resembles an inverted L, and Zootfizzle hates it. Along with cogs, it is in the top five on his "dead to me" list. |
| 19:15.20 | Dreagar | argh |
| 19:15.26 | cog|work | Dreagar: do you have wowprogramming? it's got a chapter that shows you how to do faux scroll frames without FauxScrollFrame |
| 19:15.39 | Esamynn | bad cog|work, bad! |
| 19:15.40 | Dashkal | cog|work: it does? where? |
| 19:15.43 | Dreagar | i'm tryin to figure out if it does have formatting code. |
| 19:15.54 | cog|work | the chapter on scroll frames :P |
| 19:15.55 | Dreagar | I don't how the hell do i get it without winnin it? LOL |
| 19:15.59 | Esamynn | cog|work: shameless self-promoting gnome! |
| 19:16.17 | cog|work | hey ... clad wrote that chapter :P |
| 19:16.29 | Esamynn | my comment stands |
| 19:16.31 | kd3 | ScytheBlade1, bleeter: http://bugs.xmms2.xmms.se/view.php?id=1998 |
| 19:16.44 | cog|work | ^_^ |
| 19:16.58 | Dreagar | well, how do i get it? lol |
| 19:17.16 | cog|work | ~wowprogramming |
| 19:17.17 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 19:18.05 | Dashkal | Well what do you know, chapter 22. I had completely missed this one |
| 19:18.18 | Kaelten | ~lart cog|work |
| 19:18.18 | purl | follow's cog|work with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 19:18.19 | Kaelten | :P |
| 19:18.21 | Shirik | lua> tonumber("101000100000", 2) |
| 19:18.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2592 |
| 19:19.09 | batrick | !lua function tobinary(n) return ("%x"):format(n):gsub("%x",{["0"]="0000",["1"]="0001",["2"]="0010",["3"]="0011",["4"]="0100",["5"]="0101",["6"]="0110",["7"]="0111",["8"]="1000",["9"]="1001",a="1010",b="1011",c="1100",d="1101",e="1110",f="1111"}):gsub("^0*","") end |
| 19:19.15 | batrick | that's pro ^ |
| 19:19.53 | Dreagar | ok, got it.it's too bad i have to finish this today. lmao |
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| 19:21.04 | Shirik | wtf batrick |
| 19:21.13 | batrick | wut |
| 19:21.22 | Shirik | why would you do that |
| 19:21.36 | batrick | because it's prob faster than what you did lol! |
| 19:21.48 | Shirik | what's wrong with repeated divisions by two?! |
| 19:21.51 | cog|work | i think it might just be |
| 19:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: weird. mine compiles fine |
| 19:22.19 | Shirik | let us test then |
| 19:22.21 | cog|work | Shirik: nothing, but iterating in Lua is slower than batrick's since it runs in C |
| 19:22.23 | Dreagar | Ah, thanks Cog, i found the sample files there. :) think that scrollframe test one will be just what i need. ;) |
| 19:22.31 | cog|work | kewl :) |
| 19:23.18 | Shirik | !lua tobinary= {batrick = tobinary, shirik = function(n) local s = ""; while n > 0 do s = n % 2 .. s; n = math.floor(n / 2) end; return s; end} |
| 19:23.29 | Dreagar | i'll be back to cuss if it don't work. lmao. thanks. :) |
| 19:23.35 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:23.46 | cog|work | cuss at cladhaire plox ;) |
| 19:24.17 | Shirik | !lua local t = os.time(); for x = 1,10000 do tobinary.batrick(x); end; return os.time()-t; |
| 19:24.17 | batbot | Shirik: > 0 |
| 19:24.20 | Shirik | er |
| 19:24.35 | Shirik | batrick, do you have any kind of higher-precision timers? |
| 19:24.49 | batrick | use clock not time nub |
| 19:24.49 | Shirik | !lua local t = os.time(); for x = 1,1000000 do tobinary.batrick(x); end; return os.time()-t; |
| 19:24.50 | cog|work | os.clock |
| 19:24.54 | batbot | Shirik: @ maximum execution time/memory exceeded |
| 19:25.01 | Shirik | !lua local t = os.clock(); for x = 1,10000 do tobinary.batrick(x); end; return os.clock()-t; |
| 19:25.01 | batbot | Shirik: > 0.079999999999998 |
| 19:25.10 | Shirik | !lua local t = os.clock(); for x = 1,10000 do tobinary.shirik(x); end; return os.clock()-t; |
| 19:25.10 | batbot | Shirik: > 0.28 |
| 19:25.13 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:25.22 | Shirik | I'll beat your timing! |
| 19:25.29 | batrick | if you're going to bench mark them, then you need to take the tabel creation out and make an upvalue |
| 19:25.47 | cog|work | Shirik: write a pastey and use cide's bot |
| 19:25.50 | Shirik | you already beat me, you don't need to go crazy >< |
| 19:25.54 | cog|work | >>> http://pastey.net/whatever |
| 19:25.55 | Cide | cog|work: "Could not locate pastey lua code segment." |
| 19:25.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:25.59 | Dreagar | more likely to cuss at my own stupidity. LOL> ;) |
| 19:26.46 | Shirik | Well you see, we arrive at an interesting problem |
| 19:27.11 | Shirik | my function is O(log2(n)) whereas batrick's is O(log16(n)) |
| 19:27.27 | Shirik | I wonder.... |
| 19:27.31 | batrick | !lua local t = {["0"]="0000",["1"]="0001",["2"]="0010",["3"]="0011",["4"]="0100",["5"]="0101",["6"]="0110",["7"]="0111",["8"]="1000",["9"]="1001",a="1010",b="1011",c="1100",d="1101",e="1110",f="1111"} function tobinary.batrick(n) return ("%x"):format(n):gsub("%x",t):gsub("^0*","") end |
| 19:28.22 | Shirik | !lua local t = os.clock(); for x = 1,10000 do tobinary.batrick(2); end; print("Batrick: "..os.clock()-t); t = os.clock(); for x = 1,10000 do tobinary.shirik(2); end; print("Shirik: "..os.clock()-2); |
| 19:28.22 | batbot | Shirik: Batrick: 0.02Shirik: 20.56 |
| 19:28.26 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 19:28.33 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:28.38 | Shirik | !lua local t = os.clock(); for x = 1,10000 do tobinary.batrick(2); end; print("Batrick: "..os.clock()-t); t = os.clock(); for x = 1,10000 do tobinary.shirik(2); end; print("Shirik: "..os.clock()-t); |
| 19:28.39 | batbot | Shirik: Batrick: 0.02Shirik: 0.040000000000003 |
| 19:28.43 | Shirik | ok I concede |
| 19:28.44 | cog|work | Shirik: i don't think it's so much the O() as it is the absolute execution time of iterating in Lua vs iterating in C |
| 19:28.52 | Shirik | yeah but if I don't do any iterations :) |
| 19:29.25 | batrick | each divide makes a call to fmod |
| 19:29.39 | batrick | whereas everything in mine uses C integer division |
| 19:29.57 | batrick | and the string creation using gsub is quite fast because it's under 1000 characters |
| 19:29.58 | Shirik | Well if I used SSE.... |
| 19:30.02 | batrick | which is preallocated on the stack |
| 19:30.29 | malreth | ~hail batrick |
| 19:30.29 | purl | ACTION bows down to batrick and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 19:30.44 | Shirik | fine |
| 19:30.48 | Shirik | batrick wins |
| 19:30.48 | cncfanatics | batrick: that code is twisted :p |
| 19:30.49 | Shirik | this time |
| 19:31.01 | Shirik | OH!! |
| 19:31.14 | malreth | OH!! |
| 19:31.19 | cog|work | precomputed tables is extremely common for optimization... |
| 19:31.39 | Shirik | !lua assert(tobinary.batrick(-2)==tobinary.shirik(-2)) |
| 19:31.39 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "return assert(tobinary.batrick(-2)==tobinar..."]:1: assertion failed! |
| 19:31.44 | cog|work | I remember doing 256-element arrays of trig functions to do game programming back in the day |
| 19:31.52 | Shirik | !lua print(tobinary.batrick(-2),tobinary.shirik(-2)) |
| 19:31.52 | batbot | Shirik: 11111111111111111111111111111110 |
| 19:31.57 | Shirik | uh |
| 19:32.09 | cog|work | !lua print("hi","bye") |
| 19:32.10 | batbot | cog|work: hi bye |
| 19:32.12 | Shirik | !lua print(tobinary.batrick(-2).." -- "..tobinary.shirik(-2)) |
| 19:32.12 | batbot | Shirik: 11111111111111111111111111111110 -- |
| 19:32.16 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 19:32.17 | Shirik | I fail |
| 19:32.17 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:32.21 | batrick | owned! |
| 19:32.28 | Shirik | aw I did > instead of ~= |
| 19:32.44 | cog|work | ~failrik |
| 19:32.44 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 19:32.49 | Shirik | yes yes I fail |
| 19:32.57 | cog|work | ~seen art3mis |
| 19:33.02 | purl | art3mis <i=art3mis@WoWUIDev/WoWI/HKUI/art3mis> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 49d 18h 20m 18s ago, saying: 'come to #requiem if yer interested/wanna chat'. |
| 19:33.02 | Shirik | I would say something about being a computer engineer |
| 19:33.03 | Shirik | but batrick is too |
| 19:33.04 | cog|work | ~seen saint-n |
| 19:33.04 | purl | saint-n <n=art3mis@63-148-5-161.dia.static.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 50d 23h 21m 29s ago, saying: 'yesh'. |
| 19:33.24 | Esamynn | ~seen slouken |
| 19:33.24 | purl | slouken <n=slouken@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Pirate/slouken> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 24d 15h 17m 48s ago, saying: 'Is that a request?'. |
| 19:33.29 | Kirov | ~seen Gello |
| 19:33.30 | purl | gello <n=chatzill@hmpdmehed51-pool3-a127.hmpdme.tds.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 592d 13h 33m 55s ago, saying: 'if you do <PushedTexture file="same file"><TexCoords left=".1" right=".9" top=".1" bottom=".9"/></PushedTexture> then it will look like it "pushes" without needing new artwork'. |
| 19:33.35 | Esamynn | wow |
| 19:33.36 | Kirov | win! |
| 19:34.01 | cog|work | yeah... he pretty much disappeared when 2.0 hit |
| 19:34.03 | Esamynn | ~hail Kir |
| 19:34.04 | purl | ACTION bows down to Kir and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 19:34.05 | Esamynn | ~hail Kirov |
| 19:34.06 | purl | ACTION bows down to Kirov and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 19:34.22 | Esamynn | and yet |
| 19:34.28 | Esamynn | ItemRack STILL works ;) |
| 19:34.29 | Shirik | but yeah, batrick, Eclipse fails so hard on Vista |
| 19:34.32 | Kirov | He's been surprisingly active on the forums off and on |
| 19:34.32 | Shirik | SO hard |
| 19:34.47 | batrick | meh |
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| 19:34.54 | nevcairiel | Esamynn: i thought he actually worked on his stuff after 2.0, but only very rarely |
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| 19:35.08 | cog|work | i think he's picking up steam again |
| 19:35.08 | Shirik | I can't even install Subversive |
| 19:35.16 | cog|work | given his forum activity |
| 19:35.24 | Esamynn | whoa |
| 19:35.34 | Esamynn | I hadn't checked on ItemRack 2 recently |
| 19:35.39 | Esamynn | looks like he finally finished it |
| 19:35.57 | cog|work | he was actually pretty pissed about the 2.0 changes. probably just needed some time to cool off and get his cravings back again ;) |
| 19:36.03 | malreth | it's got a few little bugs, but ItemRack 2.x is pretty nice |
| 19:36.06 | Kirov | sorta, I don't think he ever fixed a weapon swap bug |
| 19:36.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I just recently reinstalled ItemRack. |
| 19:36.16 | nevcairiel | meh i dont get why people get pissed about changes |
| 19:36.17 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty. |
| 19:36.21 | Dashkal | Shirik: subclipse > subversive |
| 19:36.34 | nevcairiel | and 2.0 was good stuff too |
| 19:36.34 | Shirik | where would I get it? |
| 19:36.36 | Shirik | and will it actually install? |
| 19:36.42 | Dashkal | the svn guys put it out |
| 19:36.45 | nevcairiel | google first result |
| 19:36.45 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:36.48 | Shirik | er |
| 19:36.55 | Esamynn | ahh pooh |
| 19:36.58 | Shirik | I thought I got mine from the svn guys |
| 19:37.02 | nevcairiel | http://subclipse.tigris.org/ |
| 19:37.03 | Esamynn | I'll have to rebuild all my sets by hand :( |
| 19:37.15 | Shirik | oh I'm sorry |
| 19:37.17 | malreth | it's not so bad |
| 19:37.17 | Shirik | I'm using subclipse |
| 19:37.20 | nevcairiel | I dont think they have a official 3.4 plugin yet, if you use that |
| 19:37.24 | cog|work | nevcairiel: a lot of people felt truly justified using smart macros because it made the game more accessible in a sense |
| 19:37.34 | Kirov | Esamynn - rebuilding sets with 2.0 is a lot faster though |
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| 19:37.53 | cog|work | hey alestane |
| 19:37.54 | Esamynn | cool, I'll just save my old SV file and re build stuff from it |
| 19:37.56 | Dashkal | as for 3.4, dunno. I'm holding off upgrading to ganymede until plugins have time to update |
| 19:38.04 | alestane | Afternoon cogs. |
| 19:38.08 | Dashkal | I require m2eclipse, and that didn't install |
| 19:38.12 | Esamynn | Kirov: I assume I'll have to re-build all my events too? |
| 19:38.16 | Dreagar | off the wall question. how come in xml sometimes <Size x="#" y="#"/> is used, and sometimes <Size><AbsDimension x="#" y="#"/></Size> is used? is there a diference? |
| 19:38.22 | Shirik | Eclipse 3.4? |
| 19:38.25 | nevcairiel | cog|work: boo them then i guess, i always kinda hated on addons like decursive because it removed the skill out of the game |
| 19:38.40 | Dashkal | Shirik: that's what I'm talking about. I'm still using europa (3.3) |
| 19:38.43 | Shirik | lol, I'm on 3.1 |
| 19:38.47 | Shirik | I don't have an option |
| 19:38.50 | nevcairiel | I upgraded to 3.4 |
| 19:38.54 | nevcairiel | but i dont use many plugins |
| 19:38.55 | Dashkal | I don't think subclipse runs on 3.1 |
| 19:38.57 | Shirik | Technically what I'm using is QDE |
| 19:39.08 | Shirik | but all that is is a preconfigured Eclipse |
| 19:39.13 | foxlit | Dreagar: there is no difference |
| 19:39.13 | alestane | Dreagar: Using attributes of Size assumes absolute dimensions in integers. AbsDimension is provided to parallel RelDimension, which has to be declared explicitly. |
| 19:39.16 | foxlit | One is shorter |
| 19:39.29 | Dashkal | You'll probably have to talk to your vendor for help getting subversion support |
| 19:39.49 | Shirik | well I'll just use tortoise |
| 19:39.51 | Dashkal | or see if they want to update from 4 year old tech |
| 19:39.55 | Shirik | it would just have been nice from there |
| 19:40.06 | nevcairiel | (on a side note, i kinda dislike subclipse, i would rather use tortoise or console) |
| 19:40.32 | Shirik | I mean, tigris says it should work, and honestly it kinda works |
| 19:40.35 | Dreagar | that's what i thought. thanks. :0 |
| 19:40.36 | Dashkal | I do see an entry on subclipse's front page for downloads for 3.0/3.1, though |
| 19:40.39 | Shirik | it just doesn't do anything useful for me |
| 19:41.22 | Shirik | I don't think it should have allowed me to install it if it didn't work for that version |
| 19:41.27 | Dreagar | argh, the lua file is empty. :( |
| 19:41.34 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: I dislike using the command-line tools in the eclipse workspace. It keeps trying to upload the special files and such. manually managing the ignore props is annoying |
| 19:42.06 | nevcairiel | dont you just have .projet and some other . file? |
| 19:42.16 | nevcairiel | *project |
| 19:42.19 | Dashkal | Shirik: If you tried to install the later bundle and it let you, report that as a bug. Bundles can and do have version requirements |
| 19:42.29 | Dashkal | .project, .classpath, .settings |
| 19:42.42 | Dashkal | Note: I really dislike svn properties period |
| 19:42.55 | Shirik | I don't use ignore props :) |
| 19:43.04 | Shirik | instead, my pre-commit hook checks the sanity of devs |
| 19:43.38 | Esamynn | that's a little much to as a pre-commit hook to do, don't you think? :P |
| 19:43.45 | Esamynn | s/as /ask / |
| 19:44.18 | Shirik | my pre-commit hook is written in Lua. It can do ANYTHING! |
| 19:44.19 | Shirik | muahaha |
| 19:44.20 | Esamynn | besides, what good Devs are truly sane? |
| 19:44.36 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap Shirik |
| 19:44.37 | purl | ACTION beats Shirik upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:44.45 | Shirik | Actually it just checks a few things. In particular, it yells at this one dev that keeps commiting compiled .so files to the repo |
| 19:44.56 | Esamynn | HAHA |
| 19:45.07 | Thunder_Child | ~burp |
| 19:45.07 | purl | ACTION burps loudly |
| 19:45.08 | Esamynn | that's more of a supidity check |
| 19:45.10 | Dashkal | that reminds me. also need to ignore the bin folder :p |
| 19:45.17 | Dashkal | or target if using maven |
| 19:45.19 | Shirik | ok that's a better way of saying that :P |
| 19:46.07 | Shirik | oh cool |
| 19:46.13 | Shirik | maybe subclipse is actually working |
| 19:46.20 | batrick | 13:31:44 <+cog|work> I remember doing 256-element arrays of trig functions to do game programming back in the day |
| 19:46.28 | batrick | You know, most cpus have those hard wired in? |
| 19:46.43 | Shirik | "The new project 'sercom' was added to a subversion controlled directory. Would you like to add it to source control?" |
| 19:47.04 | Shirik | oh and this project is working |
| 19:47.10 | Shirik | just none of my other projects are working with subclipse... |
| 19:47.19 | Dreagar | argh, hows he gonna put out a sample with nothing in the lua file??? |
| 19:47.21 | Dreagar | dangit |
| 19:47.54 | cog|work | batrick: i didn't at the time... If you could see the code I was writing back then you'd /headddesk |
| 19:48.20 | cog|work | nor did I know assembly in the first place |
| 19:48.27 | cog|work | oh wait... you CAN see some of the code... |
| 19:48.32 | Shirik | ah! |
| 19:48.37 | Shirik | It does work Dashkal |
| 19:48.46 | Shirik | I just needed to close and reopen the projects that I already had open |
| 19:48.46 | Esamynn | cog|work: are you saying your code has *improved* ? |
| 19:48.47 | cog|work | batrick: http://home.comcast.net/~m_orlando/ppong.cpp |
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| 19:49.48 | batrick | my lord |
| 19:50.09 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.09 | Kirov | Shirik, you should be whiped for those comments. |
| 19:50.16 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:50.19 | Lopeppeppy | Love that example, Cogwheel. *grin* |
| 19:50.25 | Kirov | useless comments == sin! |
| 19:50.26 | Shirik | what did I do :( |
| 19:50.33 | Shirik | what comment? |
| 19:50.39 | cog|work | ~poke Kirov |
| 19:50.39 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Kirov, pokes Kirov repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:50.50 | Dreagar | Someone wanna hand Clad a great big WTF for me when he gets here? lol |
| 19:50.59 | Kirov | s/Shirik/cog|work |
| 19:51.07 | Kirov | ~lart Kirov |
| 19:51.07 | purl | executes killall -KILL Kirov |
| 19:51.13 | Shirik | no, this is what my code looks like Kirov: |
| 19:51.15 | Esamynn | one has to wonder, where DOES purl find all those small trees? |
| 19:51.35 | cog|work | that huge array at the beginning? hard-coded bitmaps of numerical digits... |
| 19:51.38 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/91106 |
| 19:52.06 | cog|work | for the record, I didn't even know the term "Best practices" back then :P |
| 19:52.27 | Kirov | Shirik - more comment than code ... that's almost swinging the other way. |
| 19:52.39 | Shirik | :P |
| 19:53.38 | Shirik | I particularly like the constructor for MissingDependencyException |
| 19:55.04 | AckisWork | russian local = ruRU? |
| 19:55.16 | cog|work | I improved eventually... here's the main C file from one of the many rewrites I did on that program: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/PlasmaPong.c |
| 19:55.49 | cog|work | that was about 3 years later |
| 19:57.35 | nevcairiel | AckisWork: yes |
| 19:57.45 | Kirov | http://wowi.pastey.net/91107 - here's what I write at work. |
| 19:58.24 | Kirov | MEL driven xml parser ... that's faster than the "official" C# xml parser we use |
| 19:58.38 | Shirik | Dashkal: since you seem familiar with subclipse, how can I add props to a file? |
| 19:58.39 | AckisWork | ty nevcairiel |
| 19:59.33 | Kirov | Just don't look at my wow addon code. |
| 19:59.41 | Kirov | I don't comment any of that stuff. |
| 19:59.52 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:00.11 | Shirik | maybe mine was a bad example |
| 20:00.15 | Shirik | a lot of that was documentation for doxygen |
| 20:00.57 | Shirik | here: http://wowi.pastey.net/91108 |
| 20:02.53 | Kirov | For the record, I hate MEL |
| 20:03.01 | Shirik | MEL? |
| 20:03.17 | foxlit | * base.cc |
| 20:03.24 | Kirov | Maya's scripting language |
| 20:03.28 | Shirik | ahh |
| 20:03.33 | foxlit | on second thought, never mind :) |
| 20:03.39 | Shirik | foxlit: C++ |
| 20:03.58 | foxlit | .cpp is what I would usually associate with it |
| 20:04.05 | foxlit | But the extension wasn't what the comment was about |
| 20:04.06 | Kirov | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Embedded_Language |
| 20:04.20 | Shirik | QDE follows a standard that we've adopted just because we don't feel like changing it, .cc for generic C++ files, .cpp for C++ class member function definition files |
| 20:04.49 | kamdis | Man, I hate it when coworkers give my contact information to sales people. |
| 20:05.16 | Shirik | what were you commenting about then, foxlit :)_ |
| 20:05.59 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that stinks kamdis. |
| 20:06.06 | kamdis | Yep. |
| 20:06.15 | Kirov | Here's a snippet of why I hate MEL |
| 20:06.15 | Kirov | for ( $i=0; $i<4; $i++ ) { |
| 20:06.15 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.15 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.15 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.15 | Kirov | } |
| 20:06.17 | Kirov | that'll print |
| 20:06.19 | Kirov | 123 |
| 20:06.22 | kamdis | He didn't want to deal with it, so he gave out my direct dial. :( |
| 20:07.31 | Shirik | Kirov: At least it's deterministic :) |
| 20:07.38 | Industrial | Kirov: o_O |
| 20:07.40 | Shirik | in C that might be what prints out, but you don't really know |
| 20:07.43 | Kirov | If you define a variable w/o setting a value, it'll get what ever value the last time a variable of the same name was used... even if that variable wasn't global. |
| 20:07.55 | Shirik | most compilers will likely end up printing that out (or at least 3 sequential numbers) |
| 20:07.57 | Industrial | ewww |
| 20:08.23 | Industrial | i'd like it to error because it hasnt been set :| |
| 20:08.44 | Shirik | Visual Studio would give you a warning :) |
| 20:08.48 | Kirov | It's required for global variables to define them w/o a value. |
| 20:09.59 | Industrial | what do I do with the error "loop in gettable" ? |
| 20:10.43 | Shirik | you probably have a screwed metatable |
| 20:10.45 | Shirik | like |
| 20:10.55 | Kirov | In mel, every time you want to access a global, you have to define it in that function first. |
| 20:10.58 | Shirik | lua> t = {}; setmetatable(t, {__index = t}); print(t[1]); |
| 20:10.58 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: loop in gettable |
| 20:11.08 | Industrial | wanna read all the code? (200 lines or so) cause i cant find the error |
| 20:11.17 | Shirik | sure |
| 20:11.23 | Industrial | sec |
| 20:14.23 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/91109 |
| 20:14.27 | Industrial | Shirik: ^ |
| 20:14.55 | Industrial | line 92 is where the error happens (thought @@ would highlight it) |
| 20:15.05 | Shirik | @@@ |
| 20:15.44 | Josh_Borke | lua isn't OO :-P |
| 20:15.48 | Josh_Borke | you fail Industrial |
| 20:15.49 | Shirik | do you have a call stack? |
| 20:16.27 | Industrial | Josh_Borke: but it almost works! |
| 20:16.33 | Shirik | actually I see it already I think |
| 20:16.57 | Industrial | Shirik: no I don't, still need to find me a nice error+callstack addon for wow :3 |
| 20:17.17 | Shirik | your problem is |
| 20:17.18 | Josh_Borke | Industrial: i use Swatter |
| 20:18.12 | Shirik | Your problem is Object's __index is Object |
| 20:18.27 | Shirik | therefore you'll go down the tree if you miss |
| 20:18.30 | Shirik | until you hit Object |
| 20:18.45 | Shirik | at which point it becomes a loop as it misses Object.handlers, so it goes to search Object.__index, which is Object |
| 20:19.08 | Shirik | do I make sense? |
| 20:19.26 | Industrial | yes |
| 20:20.12 | Shirik | though |
| 20:20.26 | Shirik | hm, nm |
| 20:20.29 | Shirik | but yeah that's your problem :) |
| 20:20.34 | Shirik | you may wish to use rawget |
| 20:20.39 | Shirik | but that will break some things |
| 20:21.31 | Industrial | At the time I'm declaring the Object class, _G.Object doesnt exist yet so its __index shouldn't... |
| 20:21.34 | Industrial | oh right |
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| 20:22.02 | Industrial | guess I can just do an if super then __index = super end |
| 20:29.05 | Shirik | ah Industrial, I was slightly off |
| 20:29.09 | Shirik | it does have to do with your __index |
| 20:29.13 | Shirik | but your __index is correct |
| 20:29.36 | Shirik | your problem is that what you're asking for does not exist, therefore it loops forever :) |
| 20:29.50 | Shirik | you may not want to use the table form for your __index |
| 20:29.54 | Shirik | and instead supply a function |
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| 20:34.23 | batrick | Industrial: that's why you don't use the metatable as it's own metatable |
| 20:34.36 | kd3 | yay, it's raining |
| 20:34.45 | batrick | separate the class from the metatable and it will all work :) |
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| 20:38.50 | Zurik | hellow everyone .. did you guys miss me :D |
| 20:39.07 | Zurik | no? not really LOL ..haha |
| 20:39.10 | Hjalte | Who are you? |
| 20:39.19 | Hjalte | :P |
| 20:39.19 | Zurik | I am Zurik :) |
| 20:40.37 | Zurik | Can anyone tell me the difference of creating a function CoreFiveLFG.FunctionName vs. CoreFiveLFG:FunctionName ? |
| 20:41.40 | cog|work | the second one give you an implied "self" parameter |
| 20:42.15 | Industrial | lua> a={} a.b=function(self,c) print(c) end a.b('foo') |
| 20:42.15 | lua_bot | Industrial: nil |
| 20:42.17 | Industrial | er |
| 20:42.20 | Dreagar | damn this is a pain to figure out without an .lua file to see as refrence.lol |
| 20:42.21 | cog|work | function t.foo(self) end is exactly teh same as function t:foo() end |
| 20:42.30 | Shirik | er |
| 20:42.35 | Shirik | t.foo(t) :P |
| 20:42.41 | cog|work | Shirik: defining... |
| 20:42.45 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:42.47 | Shirik | sorry :) |
| 20:43.12 | cog|work | as i was typing, calling t:foo() is the equivalent of t.foo(t) |
| 20:43.18 | Zurik | oh ok.. that meakes perfect sense. |
| 20:44.46 | Dreagar | damn, i got pushed on the pil when i asked a question like that back in the day. lol |
| 20:45.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, there's a reason for that |
| 20:45.08 | ScytheBlade1 | The pil also answers such questions |
| 20:45.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 20:45.18 | Zurik | heh |
| 20:45.25 | Zurik | i guess i just got lucky Dreagar :P |
| 20:45.26 | Dreagar | :P course it helps to know those things. hehe. |
| 20:46.14 | Zurik | so on a different note: did anyone see hancock and was disappointed? |
| 20:46.42 | Zurik | I thought the movie to be good, but not as fantastic as I had hoped. |
| 20:46.54 | Zurik | it was like they showed all the funny parts in the previews. |
| 20:47.23 | cog|work | Dreagar: I've answered it enough times that it's faster for me to type the reply than find the link to the correct section of pil :P |
| 20:47.42 | cog|work | except that someone like Shirik always confuses defining vs calling ;) |
| 20:47.59 | Zurik | haha |
| 20:47.59 | Shirik | no, someone like Shirik just reads only what he wants to read :P |
| 20:48.02 | cog|work | last time i think it was batrick |
| 20:48.11 | cog|work | perhaps krka |
| 20:48.16 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:49.23 | Dreagar | Good point cog. lol. So question. I'm doin that scrollframe thing, attatched a fontstring to the scrollchild. but the text wasnt' wrapping, you could only see what was showing in the scrollframe window. so i set the fontstring to a specific size, and now it's gone. :( |
| 20:50.02 | Dreagar | http://www.pastey.net/91112 |
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| 20:50.24 | Dreagar | i've found if you set the size of a fontstring it'll wrap the text to keep to that size.. but here it just dissappeared. :( |
| 20:50.44 | Dreagar | i've been thinking about trying a different layer, thus the "BACKGROUND" but so far no go. :9 |
| 20:51.11 | Dreagar | tryin OVERLAY now. |
| 20:51.56 | cog|work | so if you remove the size tag it displays properly? |
| 20:52.06 | Dreagar | yup |
| 20:52.11 | cog|work | well, not "properly" but yeah... |
| 20:52.12 | Dreagar | but without text wrapping. |
| 20:52.37 | cog|work | Try justifyH="TOP" |
| 20:52.51 | Dreagar | even made the font string the same size as the child.. hmm ok. |
| 20:53.07 | cog|work | err |
| 20:53.09 | cog|work | justifyV |
| 20:53.55 | Dreagar | LOL. retrying. lol |
| 20:54.27 | cog|work | you should put H first for consistency with x & y ;) |
| 20:55.00 | cog|work | (only for the sake of my confusion) |
| 20:55.04 | Dreagar | yeah, thanks for that. feel like a 'tard now. shoulda seen that. :( |
| 20:55.12 | Dreagar | that's what i get for C&Ping code. lol |
| 20:55.19 | cog|work | :) |
| 20:55.25 | Dreagar | now i just have to figure out how to scroll the stuff using the slider info. :) |
| 20:55.54 | cog|work | You might also consider using SimpleHTML instead of a FontString |
| 20:56.09 | cog|work | makes formatting much more flexible |
| 20:57.08 | Josh_Borke | hate @SimpleHTML |
| 20:57.25 | Dreagar | that's an XML tag? i guess i can look into it for the future, but for right now, i'm not worried about formatting. :) |
| 20:57.52 | cog|work | yep |
| 20:59.30 | Dreagar | only thing i'm gonna figure out now is the lua for scrolling. :) know of any files that might help me? questlogframe do that? |
| 21:00.04 | cog|work | smooth scrolling or faux? |
| 21:00.25 | cog|work | what about those samples you found on wowprogramming.com? |
| 21:01.37 | Dreagar | actually, the LUA was missing from them. :( the files are there but they're 0KB |
| 21:02.03 | Dreagar | at least on the scrollframetest one which i used to do the scrollframes. |
| 21:03.40 | Thunder_Child | LUA? |
| 21:03.51 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 21:03.56 | Dreagar | well the code in the .lua file |
| 21:03.58 | cog|work | Dreagar: the scrollframetest is for smooth scrolling. MacroIconTest is for the faux scrolling |
| 21:03.59 | Dreagar | :P |
| 21:04.09 | Dreagar | right, i think smoothscrolling is my best bet. |
| 21:04.16 | cog|work | ah ok |
| 21:04.25 | Kirov | smooth faux is da bestest! |
| 21:04.31 | cog|work | Kirov: agree |
| 21:04.46 | Dreagar | i was usein the faux before cause i couldn't find any darn data to help me figger out the scroll frame |
| 21:05.18 | Dreagar | i could switch it over to faux, but for right now, i'm goin with the easiest and this seems to be that. i think eventually i want to be able to click on em, but that's a aways down the road. |
| 21:05.27 | cncfanatics | ~seen Wraithan |
| 21:05.28 | purl | wraithan is currently on #wowace (5h 12m 15s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 2h 17s, last said: 'oops wrong channel'. |
| 21:05.32 | Kirov | scroll frame is easier to use than faux, but usually a bad idea if you have a LOT of items in your list |
| 21:05.34 | cog|work | Dreagar: actually, i think all the code you need is in the XML |
| 21:05.45 | cog|work | in the event handlers for the scroll bar |
| 21:06.43 | cog|work | s/scroll bar/slider/ |
| 21:06.56 | Dreagar | hmm ok. lemme see then |
| 21:07.35 | Dreagar | ScrollFrameTest:SetVerticalScroll(self:GetValue()) That's what is there for OnValueChanged. |
| 21:07.54 | Dreagar | SetVerticalScroll is a scrollframe method? |
| 21:08.12 | Dreagar | it is. i checked. lol. |
| 21:08.19 | Dreagar | hmm. |
| 21:11.05 | Dreagar | You're right. I'm stupid today. |
| 21:11.18 | Dreagar | well tryin to make things harder on myself is a specialty of mine. lol |
| 21:11.48 | Drundia | spell 33153... |
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| 21:19.22 | Dreagar | conceiveably, i could do all that in lua right? |
| 21:21.55 | cog|work | yep |
| 21:22.30 | cog|work | either call a Lua function from the XML handler or if you create the frame in Lua, you would use SetScript |
| 21:23.51 | Shirik | ****** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x08051588 |
| 21:23.54 | Shirik | Anyone know what that means? |
| 21:24.01 | Shirik | Ignore the address I copied that from somewhere else :P |
| 21:24.29 | Fisker- | :D? |
| 21:28.01 | Esamynn | Shirik: I've seen that |
| 21:28.06 | Esamynn | you get that on your console? |
| 21:28.57 | Shirik | I have no idea where he's getting it, a friend just called me up to ask if he had ever heard of it |
| 21:29.12 | Shirik | it's coming from an application he wrote |
| 21:29.34 | Shirik | he claims he's not using any linked lists so I told him it's probably coming from something internal that stems from something he used wrong |
| 21:29.36 | Esamynn | oh, well, I can't help you then |
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| 21:31.52 | Shirik | ~stab Lua |
| 21:31.52 | purl | ACTION runs at Lua with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 21:32.06 | Shirik | what's wrong with this picture? |
| 21:32.12 | Shirik | int status = pthread_mutex_lock(&serialListLock); |
| 21:32.12 | Shirik | if (status ~= EOK) then { |
| 21:32.32 | Dashkal | c? |
| 21:32.34 | Dashkal | != |
| 21:32.42 | Shirik | and no "then" :P |
| 21:32.46 | Shirik | two things on the same line >< |
| 21:43.11 | Shirik | batrick: ping |
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| 21:45.13 | Artmi | Shirik, you are probably trying |
| 21:45.23 | Artmi | to free something, that is already free:ed |
| 21:45.50 | Artmi | or freeing some memory you haven't allocated |
| 21:45.51 | Shirik | ok, I'll tell him that thanks |
| 21:46.11 | Artmi | Most common error, is to free it twice though :P |
| 21:46.15 | amro | Shirik: #define ~= != and #define then |
| 21:46.16 | amro | :) |
| 21:46.22 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:46.31 | Artmi | so on the second free() call, it'll get nasty |
| 21:46.50 | amro | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The_Secret_to_Better_C.aspx |
| 21:47.01 | cog|work | ~seen beladona |
| 21:47.04 | purl | beladona <n=sluster@24.129.136.26> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 2h 4m 19s ago, saying: 'heavily hacked mind you'. |
| 21:47.48 | kd3 | amro; o_O; |
| 21:49.06 | amro | that one isn't so bad, there's one for VB syntax |
| 21:49.29 | Shirik | amro: That's awesome |
| 21:55.18 | kd3 | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/When_Good_Practices_Go_Bad_.aspx |
| 21:56.26 | Dashkal | kd3: It's those people who make us java devs look bad... |
| 21:56.52 | Dashkal | But then there are so many developers who just don't 'get' best practices... they must be understood... |
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| 22:00.27 | RockSlice | I'm wondering if the type of interface addon I'm looking for is available. Basically, I want this type of interface: http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p88/Rock_Slice/uitype.jpg |
| 22:00.43 | RockSlice | where spells are grouped in lots |
| 22:00.58 | Artmi | RockSlice, Flexbar could accomplish that back in the days |
| 22:01.09 | kd3 | damn you amro, now I'm just hitting the random article button... http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Classics-Week-I-Hate-You.aspx |
| 22:01.10 | Artmi | as far as i know, it was configurable as heck |
| 22:01.16 | Artmi | you coould do about anything with it |
| 22:01.23 | RockSlice | so i just need to timetravel? |
| 22:01.56 | Artmi | Well, there is a flexbar2, not sure if it's working, and if the developer is continuing to code on it |
| 22:02.23 | Thunder_Child | ~dict geoduck |
| 22:03.03 | Dashkal | Is that still doable in combat? |
| 22:03.12 | Dashkal | Can a secure button toggle the visible of another? |
| 22:03.18 | Dashkal | visibility* |
| 22:03.49 | RockSlice | ty |
| 22:05.46 | RockSlice | >180 days since flexbar2 update :( |
| 22:06.02 | Zurik | how cool is this? all of these conversations are recorded.. |
| 22:06.03 | Zurik | http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/20080625.html.gz |
| 22:06.06 | Dashkal | cncfanatics is actively working on flexbar3 these days |
| 22:06.16 | amro | kd3: hehe, that site is awesome :) |
| 22:06.21 | Zurik | I found this out from googling my website. |
| 22:06.23 | Zurik | lol |
| 22:06.27 | Dashkal | unfortunately he logged a half hour ago or I'd direct you to him |
| 22:06.33 | kd3 | ~logs |
| 22:06.33 | purl | methinks logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 22:07.06 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 22:07.12 | Zurik | haha |
| 22:07.23 | Dashkal | afaik flexbar2 works just fine, though. Nothing recient that I can think of would have broken it, so I wouldn't stress about the update time |
| 22:08.44 | Kirov | It's fun looking over channel logs and seeing how much if a sarcastic ass I truely am. |
| 22:09.35 | Thunder_Child | ~dict dolichocephalic |
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| 22:16.44 | Lunessa | Kirov: Light-weight. A true master of sarcasm simply knows based on the cringing of mere mortals in his vincinity., |
| 22:17.16 | Thunder_Child | then you can stop cringing Lunessa |
| 22:17.29 | Lunessa | I ma no mere mortal, fuckwit. :P |
| 22:18.13 | Lunessa | I just finished teaching Word for 3 hours. I fee like letting blood. Sorry. |
| 22:18.19 | Thunder_Child | np |
| 22:18.39 | Thunder_Child | your correct, your no mere mortal...your a special mortal |
| 22:18.47 | kd3 | go for the veins in the throat. they spurt further |
| 22:18.50 | Thunder_Child | the cringing mortal |
| 22:19.13 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple suck, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 22:26.15 | phyber | anyone able to post to the US Mac forums? |
| 22:26.36 | phyber | The Diablo 2 downloader for Mac does sill things, like spamming the syslog constantly. |
| 22:26.42 | phyber | http://www.trollied.org/system_log.tar.gz |
| 22:26.49 | phyber | example syslog |
| 22:27.19 | phyber | not really to do with WoW, but apparently those guys like to help, and the battle.net forums are retarded and won't let you post there until you install the game and make an account. |
| 22:31.38 | RockSlice | Artmi: flexbar2 doesn't seem to be able to do what I want, but thanks anyway |
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| 22:34.29 | Dashkal | Related to RockSlice's search. Is it possible for one secure frame to toggle the visibility of another due to mouseover? Goal being radial menus for spells (would also need to be able to hide frames on a mouse leave event) |
| 22:36.44 | cog|work | Dashkal: yes. SecureAnchorEnterTemplate |
| 22:39.43 | cog|work | you use teh anchor to control a header's state and then you set the showstates or hidestates on the frame you want to show or hide |
| 22:39.56 | Dashkal | *nods* so it's doable. cool |
| 22:40.16 | Dashkal | Though I don't think I'd ever want my quick access spells on a radial, it would be nice for summons and such |
| 22:41.10 | cog|work | You could even make it such that when you click on one of the spells, it reassigns that spell to the main hover button |
| 22:41.29 | Dashkal | Is that trick discussed in the secure header chapter? |
| 22:41.53 | Dashkal | reassigning the spell of a different button from the one being interacted with, that is |
| 22:42.23 | cog|work | not specifically. it wouldn't exactly be trivial |
| 22:42.38 | cog|work | you'd need to set up a different state for each spell |
| 22:42.58 | Dashkal | *nods* Still, that sounds doable for a buff radial or a warlock summon radial |
| 22:43.06 | cog|work | yep |
| 22:43.21 | cog|work | all the pieces you'd need are described though :) |
| 22:43.24 | RockSlice | but nobody knows of an addon that does it now? |
| 22:43.28 | Dashkal | Now that I'm thinking of this, I'd really like to move my druid buffs into one. Might be a nifty project to learn secure headers |
| 22:43.55 | foxlit | I do it, np |
| 22:43.57 | cog|work | I actually had plans for a generic ActionStomper addon, but I haven't been able to give any addons more than maintenance love |
| 22:44.01 | foxlit | In an ever-so-different way :) |
| 22:45.28 | Lunessa | cog|work: You can love you addons, just don't love your addons. |
| 22:45.36 | Shirik | I gotta say, I love QNX's documentation |
| 22:45.39 | Shirik | "If the server thread fails, exits, or disappears, the client thread becomes READY, with MsgSend() indicating an error. " |
| 22:45.44 | Shirik | I'm kinda confused how a thread "disappears" |
| 22:45.50 | Shirik | but that's an awesome way of saying it |
| 22:46.01 | Dashkal | "disappears" SIGKILL? |
| 22:46.14 | Shirik | I dunno :P |
| 22:46.21 | Shirik | I would have considered that exiting |
| 22:46.22 | Shirik | or failing |
| 22:46.39 | Dashkal | I remember back in my arch classes they described KILL as "The OS simply removes the process from the table" |
| 22:46.58 | Shirik | I guess in that sense it would be disappearing |
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| 22:48.15 | Dashkal | Though I don't entirely believe that. Under Linux (not relivant to QNX I know), a process that hangs in a syscall appears to be immune to KILL. very annoying |
| 22:49.26 | Shirik | huh |
| 22:49.30 | Shirik | that seems bad to me :P |
| 22:49.47 | Shirik | but it does make some sense too |
| 22:50.04 | Shirik | fortunately, even if that were true in QNX, the Kernel is tiny so it's unlikely to be in there anyway |
| 22:51.14 | Dashkal | Mostly mount does that when the kernel has issues with a bad partition |
| 22:51.36 | Dashkal | I need to play with QNX sometime. I'd love to try out a microkernel OS |
| 22:51.56 | Dashkal | Being able to do cool things like NAT without dealing with kernelspace intrigues me |
| 22:54.28 | wereHamster | 'a process that hangs in a syscall' - more likely a process that is in 'uninterruptible' state. Syscalls sometimes, but not always, put processes in that state |
| 22:55.16 | Dashkal | Probably |
| 22:55.22 | Dashkal | The specific case for me most often was mount |
| 22:55.29 | Dashkal | but I've had it happen to other processes too |
| 23:02.06 | Lunessa | Heh... I used to use QNX in the early 80s to run a 32 terminal network using a singe IBM AT-PC |
| 23:04.44 | Lunessa | cog|work: "Morton" "Morty"? Oy - synchronicity! My warlock Mortagen goes by "Mort" :P |
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| 23:07.16 | cog|work | :) |
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| 23:10.08 | Dashkal | Early 80s... Yeah, that would be the soiled diaper era for me... |
| 23:13.24 | Lunessa | Hey... I only have 30 more years till the roll around again for me. I better taking up smoking an drinking... |
| 23:13.46 | Dashkal | lol |
| 23:16.39 | cog|work | Lunessa: don't you already have one of those covered? |
| 23:16.40 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:16.55 | Lunessa | Drinking MORE. And more heavily. |
| 23:17.20 | Lunessa | I had like what, 1 martini? I mean, that hardly qualifies as a nip! |
| 23:17.33 | kd3 | huzzah, my blizzard authenticator finally showed up |
| 23:17.35 | cog|work | yeah yeah... you were only being polite :P |
| 23:17.55 | cog|work | if my mom-in-law wasn't there we'd probably have gone to the flying saucer instead ;) |
| 23:18.03 | cog|work | kd3: woot! |
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| 23:18.06 | cog|work | when'd you place the order? |
| 23:18.12 | kd3 | 6/30? |
| 23:18.17 | cog|work | same!!! /me hopes |
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| 23:38.37 | Shirik | ~hug purl |
| 23:38.38 | purl | ACTION hugs purl |
| 23:38.44 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:38.45 | Shirik | eh |
| 23:38.47 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 23:38.47 | purl | Esamynn: aw, gee |
| 23:38.48 | Shirik | ~hug purl_ |
| 23:38.48 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs purl_ |
| 23:38.54 | Shirik | damn that must be hard |
| 23:39.28 | Esamynn | purl is just awesome like that |
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| 23:40.23 | Shirik | Once again, the QNX documentation never ceases to make me laugh: "Note that the receive ID that comes back from MsgReceive() will have some differences, but you don't need to worry about the format of the receive ID -- just treat it as a 'magic cookie.'" |
| 23:40.41 | Shirik | "Use our OS, it has magic cookies!" |
| 23:42.00 | Diskmaster | s/magic cookies/drugs/ |
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| 23:45.28 | amro | Shirik: and you're building a robot with that thing? |
| 23:45.35 | Shirik | yup yu |
| 23:46.01 | amro | well if it bakes magic cookies, I don't mind :) |
| 23:46.09 | Shirik | heh |
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| 23:54.26 | bleeter | so who wants to take bets with me that Oceanic realms will got titsup again tonight? lawlz |
| 23:58.03 | [dRaCo] | anyone got a hint on what's wrong with /cast [button:2][target=player] Healing Touch; Healing Touch? |
| 23:58.50 | [dRaCo] | nvm, found it. |
