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| 00:09.19 | ScytheBlade1 | `strings MEMORY.DMP` |
| 00:09.20 | ScytheBlade1 | This could take a while |
| 00:09.26 | Shirik | uh |
| 00:09.29 | Shirik | memory dump of what? |
| 00:09.35 | ScytheBlade1 | My Vista box's RAM |
| 00:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Full 2GB |
| 00:09.50 | Shirik | a BSOD bugcheck? |
| 00:09.57 | Shirik | oi |
| 00:09.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ctrl+scroll lock! |
| 00:10.47 | Shirik | ctrl+scroll lock? |
| 00:11.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc266483.aspx |
| 00:11.44 | Shirik | ha |
| 00:11.46 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 00:12.05 | ScytheBlade1 | You can see the uses ;) |
| 00:12.36 | Shirik | well I assume the primary use is to test a kernel debugger |
| 00:12.50 | ScytheBlade1 | There are countless many uses |
| 00:12.59 | ScytheBlade1 | But yes, that is what it was largely designed for |
| 00:13.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Running the Steam Beta client is required to execute this command. |
| 00:13.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Fun string I found in my RAM |
| 00:13.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't even know there was a beta client |
| 00:13.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Followed by "Wrong universe" |
| 00:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not even sure what to make of that |
| 00:14.13 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:14.14 | Dashkal | obviously you're in the wrong universe. get back into your time machine and shift over one by killing someone important |
| 00:14.22 | Shirik | you know ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:14.31 | Shirik | strings is probably the hardest way to review that bugcheck |
| 00:14.44 | ScytheBlade1 | No, I'm just curious as to what strings are in my RAM :) |
| 00:15.09 | Shirik | yes but you're probably killing your ram in the process :P |
| 00:15.15 | ScytheBlade1 | For example: passwords to applications |
| 00:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Killing my RAM? How do I kill my RAM? |
| 00:15.30 | Shirik | having an application allocate 2GB :P |
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| 00:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | strings MEMORY.DMP > strings |
| 00:15.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam. |
| 00:16.03 | Shirik | hm, ok |
| 00:16.19 | Shirik | I assume it's an intelligent program that doesn't try to pre-allocate the entire file buffer |
| 00:16.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ... you've never used `strings` before |
| 00:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 00:16.38 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:16.38 | Shirik | oh I know how to use it |
| 00:16.44 | Shirik | I just don't know how it works internally |
| 00:17.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Very very few if any at all *nix apps allocate the entire buffer at once |
| 00:17.02 | Shirik | i.e., does it load the entire file and then search |
| 00:17.32 | p3lim | Shirik: No i fixed it.. somehow.. :p |
| 00:18.19 | ScytheBlade1 | sigh @ pastey being down |
| 00:18.38 | ScytheBlade1 | It's always good to sumble upon a good 1.8k block of "PADDINGXXPADDINGXXPADDINGXX" |
| 00:18.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sure that malloc() call went well used |
| 00:18.48 | Shirik | rofl |
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| 00:18.59 | Shirik | is there a way to check for |
| 00:19.03 | Shirik | 0xCDCDCDCDCD |
| 00:19.07 | Shirik | a very long block of that? |
| 00:19.20 | Shirik | or 0xBAADF00D |
| 00:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:19.34 | ScytheBlade1 | At the very top of my resulting file |
| 00:19.43 | Shirik | both of those are Microsoft codes of allocated-but-uninitialized data |
| 00:19.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I have... several KB of "PAGE" |
| 00:19.51 | Dashkal | 0xDEADBEEF? |
| 00:19.53 | ScytheBlade1 | With "PAGEDUMP" right before it |
| 00:20.06 | Shirik | I don't recognized that code |
| 00:20.24 | ScytheBlade1 | This wouldn't be nearly as entertaining as it is, except that this comes /before/ "BOOTMGR is missing" and other such strings |
| 00:20.25 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Not the entire thing is memory :) |
| 00:20.47 | p3lim | Cairenn: ping |
| 00:21.25 | kd3 | rofl, fark: [Obvious] Parents of twins more prone to mental issues. Twice as prone, one would think |
| 00:21.36 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
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| 00:22.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I'm really just playing around with a dump of my RAM :) |
| 00:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing more to it |
| 00:22.29 | Shirik | it's fun :) |
| 00:22.33 | |pez | I really love my new computer |
| 00:22.36 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, though |
| 00:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | khexedit |
| 00:22.43 | ScytheBlade1 | THAT loads the entire 2GB into RAM |
| 00:22.46 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:22.56 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll see if I crash and burn in a sec |
| 00:23.03 | Shirik | still it would be interesting to know the longest string of 0xCD in a row |
| 00:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | VICTORY |
| 00:23.06 | |pez | pondering getting back into WoW again now that I don't burn myself when using the computer for more than small things. :P |
| 00:23.38 | p3lim | anyone know if its possible to get mail notification when a bug has been reported on WoWInterface.com? |
| 00:23.46 | Shirik | it is |
| 00:23.49 | Shirik | wait |
| 00:23.54 | Shirik | I think it is |
| 00:23.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: not big... have one block so far that is tiny. under 1kb |
| 00:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not seeing any blocks more than 1kb |
| 00:24.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah none |
| 00:24.47 | Shirik | ok maybe it's not p3 |
| 00:24.48 | Shirik | p3lim |
| 00:24.55 | Shirik | you can post a request on the forums :) |
| 00:25.04 | Shirik | that's boring ScytheBlade1 :( |
| 00:25.10 | p3lim | sure ok :) |
| 00:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Looking like zero blocks containing 0xDEADBEEF |
| 00:25.44 | Shirik | That's not a Win32 memory code |
| 00:26.01 | kd3 | ooh, a portable autonomous paintball gun sentry robot |
| 00:26.10 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: I'm disappointed |
| 00:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ... zomg, link me now |
| 00:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I want that, kd3 |
| 00:26.19 | Shirik | 0xCD, 0xBAADF00D, and 0xFEEEFEEE are the only ones I'm aware of, ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, BAADF00D |
| 00:26.32 | Shirik | 0xFEEEFEEE is OS memory food though |
| 00:26.46 | Dashkal | Shirik: nothing official about dead beef, but some programmers (myself included) use it as a placeholder from time to time |
| 00:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Searching for BADF00D |
| 00:26.59 | Shirik | right, but those codes above are done by the OS |
| 00:27.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got 602MB free with this entire memory dump... loaded into memory |
| 00:27.41 | Shirik | 0xFEEEFEEE shouldn't show up unless you're using a debug version of an application though |
| 00:27.50 | Shirik | 0xFEEEFEEE is the same as 0xDD which is deallocated memory |
| 00:28.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Got some of that |
| 00:28.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty deep in, 6c15:8330 |
| 00:28.46 | Shirik | which one? |
| 00:29.03 | ScytheBlade1 | 0xFEEEFEEE |
| 00:29.08 | Shirik | ah |
| 00:29.53 | Shirik | I don't really understand that one entirely. It's "OS memory that has been marked for usage but not allocated by LocalAlloc() or HeapAlloc()" |
| 00:30.39 | Shirik | obviously that can be normal data too though |
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| 00:32.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I will say though, that searching 2GB of RAM over and over is indeed a lengthy process |
| 00:32.52 | Shirik | lol |
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| 00:37.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It's also a really great way to get access to memory that apps don't want you to have ;) |
| 00:38.30 | Shirik | p3lim: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 :P |
| 00:38.33 | Shirik | I moved it for you |
| 00:39.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I need faster RAM :( |
| 00:39.09 | Shirik | get SRAM |
| 00:39.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I suppose a faster hex editor would help too, but khexedit is pretty fast |
| 00:39.30 | p3lim | Shirik: thanks, didnt know where to put it hehe:p |
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| 00:50.05 | Ntruder | anyone know the maximum resolution of a custom graphic tga? is there a cap? |
| 00:50.49 | p3lim | is pastey down? |
| 00:51.00 | p3lim | Ntruder: I think its 512x512 |
| 00:51.22 | Dashkal | p3lim: I think you have a very bad router somewhere.... ace.pastey.net is up |
| 00:51.50 | p3lim | ait |
| 00:51.53 | Shirik | yes p3lim it is |
| 00:51.57 | p3lim | Im having issues with this code: http://ace.pastey.net/90861 |
| 00:52.08 | Lunessa | 512 x 512 is max size for an image in WoW. |
| 00:52.17 | Kaso | is it? |
| 00:52.22 | Ntruder | ah thanks |
| 00:52.27 | Kaso | i could have sworn i made one 1024 before |
| 00:53.09 | Esamynn | sorry about pastey being down, one of our services decided it wanted to fill a partition with a log file :/ |
| 00:53.14 | p3lim | i just cant see what im doing wrong with that one |
| 00:53.17 | Esamynn | it should all be working now |
| 00:53.32 | p3lim | Esamynn: sweet :) |
| 00:57.23 | Ntruder | what's pastey? |
| 00:57.32 | p3lim | http://pastey.net/ |
| 00:57.51 | Ntruder | nice |
| 00:57.51 | p3lim | online notepad or whatever :) we use it to share codes |
| 00:58.10 | p3lim | anyways, that code of mine returns nil :S |
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| 00:59.23 | Shirik | p3lim: there are 2 cases where it can return nil |
| 00:59.30 | Shirik | 3 |
| 01:00.24 | Shirik | PaperDollFrame is not visible, "wearing" has no elements (we know that not to be true), and nothing has "value" to evaluate to true |
| 01:00.26 | Ntruder | it doesn't like my tga files |
| 01:00.31 | p3lim | all i want is a simple function or someting to define if one of my equipped items is below or at 5 durability or not |
| 01:00.31 | Shirik | I also think that code is very wrong |
| 01:00.49 | Shirik | you say "return false" when value is not less than 5 |
| 01:00.52 | Shirik | why do you do that? |
| 01:01.05 | p3lim | just for testing on that one |
| 01:01.28 | Shirik | however, point is that it will return nil when the PaperDollFrame is not visible |
| 01:01.38 | p3lim | i commented it out |
| 01:01.56 | p3lim | now it returns true to everything (even if all my armor equipped is at max durability) |
| 01:02.30 | Lunessa | Too much time on their hands? http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Dragonmaw&n=Warla |
| 01:04.17 | |pez | Naaah, still some to go! |
| 01:04.28 | p3lim | I see darkmoon faire at only revered |
| 01:04.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That was my only response |
| 01:04.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Got work to do with the faire |
| 01:04.59 | Nechckn | That is funny.... I thought the same thing |
| 01:05.15 | Nechckn | seems easier than about 10 different items on the list =) |
| 01:05.28 | p3lim | :p |
| 01:05.50 | Lunessa | No kidding. I mean... I thought I was a faction grinding whore. |
| 01:05.52 | Lunessa | But DAM |
| 01:05.53 | p3lim | notice, that warlock also has max melee skills on everything |
| 01:06.23 | Lunessa | Heh, pre-BC I was working on unarmed for my priest. I got bored. |
| 01:06.35 | p3lim | i remember pre-tbc, my rogue had guns at 299/300 for 2 years |
| 01:07.21 | p3lim | when i hit 61 in expansion it ticked to 300 on first shoot.. man i was pissed :p |
| 01:07.30 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 01:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | that's awesome |
| 01:07.51 | Ntruder | anyone know of a reference on creating custom graphics for the UI? |
| 01:08.02 | Shirik | there isn't really a reference |
| 01:08.07 | Shirik | tell me exactly what you're doing |
| 01:08.13 | p3lim | photoshop 101 |
| 01:08.21 | Shirik | what are the details of your image |
| 01:08.23 | Ntruder | I'm trying to load a 192x64 32 bit TGA |
| 01:08.35 | Shirik | lua> ln(192)/ln(2) |
| 01:08.35 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'ln' (a nil value) |
| 01:08.39 | Ntruder | if I reference it in a texture tag the mod won't load |
| 01:08.40 | Shirik | lua> ln = math.log; ln(192)/ln(2) |
| 01:08.40 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '/' |
| 01:08.46 | Shirik | lua> ln = math.log; return ln(192)/ln(2) |
| 01:08.46 | lua_bot | Shirik: 7.5849625007212 |
| 01:08.49 | Shirik | yeah you can't do that |
| 01:08.52 | Shirik | 192 is not a power of 2 |
| 01:09.02 | Lunessa | Images for display in WoW need to either be in the custom .blp format or .tga format with an alpha channel. |
| 01:09.07 | Ntruder | oh ok so power of 2 not an even # |
| 01:09.12 | Shirik | power of |
| 01:09.13 | Shirik | 2 |
| 01:09.20 | Ntruder | thanks |
| 01:09.26 | Lunessa | Also, the dimensions must be powers of 2. |
| 01:09.32 | Shirik | ~hug Lunessa |
| 01:09.33 | purl | ACTION hugs Lunessa tightly until Lunessa turns slightly blue |
| 01:09.44 | Lunessa | Lunessa is slow tonight. |
| 01:10.36 | Lunessa | Ntruder: Also checok out Rob's turotials on omgphatloots.org |
| 01:11.25 | p3lim | Shirik: Know a good way to do what im trying to do? : |
| 01:11.28 | p3lim | :p |
| 01:11.35 | Shirik | I thought I did |
| 01:11.49 | Shirik | then GetInventoryItemDurability yelled at me |
| 01:12.00 | Ntruder | its 256x64 now. |
| 01:12.04 | Ntruder | but its not working |
| 01:12.23 | p3lim | i think textures have to be even, but im not sure |
| 01:12.25 | Shirik | 32 bit TGA. Is that 24BPP + 8 bit alpha? |
| 01:12.30 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 01:12.42 | Lunessa | uncompressed tga |
| 01:12.49 | Shirik | I really meant is that what he's using :) |
| 01:13.29 | Shirik | But yeah, p3lim, this confuses me |
| 01:13.30 | Shirik | [string "return GetInventoryItemDurability"HeadSlot""]:1: Usage: GetInventoryItemDurability(slot) |
| 01:13.38 | Shirik | error from Lua ^ |
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| 01:13.49 | Shirik | oh I'm a tool |
| 01:14.28 | Lunessa | That needs to be in purl. |
| 01:15.13 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:15.14 | Shirik | p3lim |
| 01:15.20 | Shirik | you didn't mean "item < 5" |
| 01:15.32 | Shirik | item will always be less than 5 |
| 01:15.37 | Shirik | item is a percentage |
| 01:15.58 | p3lim | ahh.. fuck :p |
| 01:16.04 | p3lim | i meant value |
| 01:16.55 | Ntruder | ok it was syntax. thanks for the help. |
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| 01:17.53 | Shirik | so, anyone know anything about commit hooks? |
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| 01:17.56 | Shirik | for SVN |
| 01:20.06 | p3lim | Shirik: http://ace.pastey.net/90862 |
| 01:20.15 | p3lim | still returns false on all tries |
| 01:20.58 | Ntruder | yep 512 is max |
| 01:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet |
| 01:21.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I login to raid |
| 01:22.00 | p3lim | is it my local? :s |
| 01:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Swap to my bank to get some more consumable mats |
| 01:22.08 | ScytheBlade1 | And... the server dies |
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| 01:26.32 | p3lim | I think I got it now |
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| 01:26.43 | p3lim | using numbers for IDs instead |
| 01:28.20 | Lunessa | dead server is dead? |
| 01:28.26 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:29.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Very dead |
| 01:29.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Sweet |
| 01:29.41 | ScytheBlade1 | BG10 died |
| 01:30.22 | ScytheBlade1 | "Doomhammer Normal (7) Offline" |
| 01:36.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And doomhammer dies again |
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| 01:51.58 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ping |
| 01:52.11 | kd3 | pong |
| 01:55.13 | Shirik | Anyone know python? for line in command_output(look_cmd % "changed").split("\n") |
| 01:55.14 | Shirik | what does % do? |
| 01:55.34 | Shirik | concat? |
| 01:55.49 | JoshBorke | mod |
| 01:56.00 | Shirik | mod by a string? o.o |
| 01:57.21 | Shirik | my google fu sucks, and google refuses to take "%" as a search line |
| 01:57.21 | cogwheel | python operators? |
| 01:57.21 | Shirik | I guess "python operators" works though |
| 01:57.46 | Kaso | __mod__( a, b) |
| 01:57.46 | Kaso | Return a % b. |
| 01:57.49 | Kaso | isnt % mod? |
| 01:57.59 | cogwheel | looks like it |
| 01:58.02 | Shirik | though... everything I'm reading says it's mod |
| 01:58.16 | Kaso | http://docs.python.org/lib/module-operator.html im reading |
| 01:58.19 | Shirik | so now I'm more confused than before >< |
| 01:58.35 | cogwheel | is there operator overloading? |
| 01:58.51 | Lunessa | Heh, you can't use % as a search term because the % symbols is used to encode spaces in URLS. |
| 01:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: that's one broken URL encoder |
| 01:59.14 | cogwheel | % has its own encoding |
| 01:59.35 | Lunessa | I know. :) But raw-gut feeling tells me they've goofed. :P |
| 02:00.01 | cog|away | mmmmm raw guts |
| 02:00.17 | Shirik | I guess it doesn't really matter |
| 02:00.23 | Shirik | I was just trying to get some hints out of this python script |
| 02:01.41 | Lunessa | <Dante Hicks> I'm not even supposed to be here!</Dante Hicks> |
| 02:05.06 | Shirik | so I'm feeling a little paranoid... maybe that's not the right word |
| 02:05.12 | Shirik | that my developers are stupid |
| 02:05.50 | Shirik | I'm going to write an SVN pre-commit hook to block commiting SO files and any source files with tabs in them. Any other ideas that should be blocked for "clean code"? |
| 02:08.13 | MentalPower | why tabs? |
| 02:08.36 | Shirik | because I'm sick of things being tabulated differently on different clients, so I told them all to set their editors to inject spaces for tabs |
| 02:08.43 | Shirik | sometimes it looks like crap |
| 02:08.50 | MentalPower | eww... |
| 02:08.56 | Shirik | you don't like that? |
| 02:08.58 | MentalPower | just use 4-space tabs |
| 02:09.03 | MentalPower | wastes space |
| 02:09.06 | MentalPower | wasted* |
| 02:09.13 | Shirik | bleh |
| 02:09.51 | MentalPower | well, it matters in Lua, not so much in other langs |
| 02:10.19 | MentalPower | s/other/compiled/ |
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| 02:21.21 | Shirik | wow, vim reads the shebang and realizes correct syntax highlighting automatically? o.o |
| 02:22.11 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:22.12 | kd3 | <3 vim |
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| 02:23.37 | Kaso | Anyone remember that 5.0 -> 5.1 auto convert script, i think it was AnduinLothar's ? or im not sure |
| 02:23.44 | Kaso | it was on wowi but i cant find it anymore |
| 02:26.48 | AnduinLothar | should still be there |
| 02:26.52 | AnduinLothar | why? |
| 02:27.03 | Lunessa | This should be my new forum .sig. |
| 02:27.08 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2008/07/funny-pictures-cat-cannot-brain-today.jpg |
| 02:27.28 | AnduinLothar | mmm yeah i dont see it maybe it got cleaned |
| 02:27.33 | AnduinLothar | need it? |
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| 02:31.41 | Atriace | When it says "...shifting up other elements to open space..." is this a mental perception of tables as being grown from the bottom up, or are tables really made top-down? (reference: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-table.insert) |
| 02:32.09 | Kaso | AnduinLothar i wouldnt mind yes |
| 02:32.26 | Shirik | i.e., if you have {1,2,3,4} and you insert at 2, then 2,3,4 all get shifted up to indexes 3,4,5, respectively |
| 02:32.34 | Kaso | Im actually trying to make a 5.1->5.0 script but i think your code might make it a little bit of a quicker job |
| 02:32.42 | Atriace | Ok, I can see that. |
| 02:32.52 | AnduinLothar | karlkfi.com/WoW/updateLua2.zip |
| 02:33.18 | Kaso | thank you |
| 02:35.24 | Atriace | Can anyone testify to whether table.insert is an expensive process? |
| 02:35.56 | AnduinLothar | depends on where you insert |
| 02:36.09 | AnduinLothar | and how lua stores it |
| 02:36.22 | Atriace | So the closer to 1 you do it, the more work it does to shift others up? |
| 02:36.25 | AnduinLothar | tinsert is faster since you skip a table lookup |
| 02:36.36 | AnduinLothar | prolly if it's done by array |
| 02:37.47 | Atriace | 5.1 is the current version of Lua, right? |
| 02:38.12 | Shirik | 5.1.3 to be exact |
| 02:38.17 | Atriace | I can't find tinsert in the manual or on wowwiki. |
| 02:38.19 | Shirik | though wow runs on 5.1.2 |
| 02:38.26 | Shirik | !api table.insert |
| 02:38.26 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'table.insert' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-table.insert |
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| 02:38.56 | Shirik | Anyone have a good way of checking if a given value is callable? |
| 02:39.15 | AnduinLothar | type(var) == 'function' |
| 02:39.21 | Shirik | not quite |
| 02:39.26 | Atriace | Shirik: AnduinLothar said tinsert ~= table.insert, though. |
| 02:39.26 | Shirik | that covers most cases |
| 02:39.33 | Shirik | oh it's not? |
| 02:39.44 | AnduinLothar | tinsert is a wow global var |
| 02:39.46 | Shirik | dump tinsert == table.insert says true |
| 02:39.59 | AnduinLothar | just a short cut |
| 02:40.00 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: type(var) =='function' covers most cases but not all |
| 02:40.27 | JoshBorke | lua> print(tinsert) |
| 02:40.28 | lua_bot | JoshBorke: nil |
| 02:40.29 | Shirik | type(var) or (getmetatable(var) and getmetatable(var).__call) is better |
| 02:40.36 | Shirik | but that still misses the case where __metatable is set |
| 02:40.37 | JoshBorke | ~failrik |
| 02:40.37 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 02:41.09 | Atriace | That's odd... the google search through wowwiki.com didn't turn this up, but a manual search did: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_tinsert |
| 02:41.17 | MentalPower | pcall(var) |
| 02:41.26 | Shirik | but that actually calls it :P |
| 02:41.33 | MentalPower | aye |
| 02:41.43 | Drundia_ | but you probably want to call it if you check it |
| 02:41.45 | MentalPower | I don't think theres a way to see if its callable without calling it |
| 02:41.54 | Shirik | I will eventually call it yes |
| 02:42.01 | Shirik | but that could be in a long time :) |
| 02:42.06 | MentalPower | insert bulletproof somewhere in that last sentence |
| 02:42.29 | Shirik | I guess I'll just stick with pcall |
| 02:45.33 | Mike-N-Go | I have a question. What does the "bit.band(destFlags, 0x511)" of this equality statement mean? the destFlag is the eight return from the event "COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED": if eventType=="SPELL_AURA_APPLIED" and bit.band(destFlags, 0x511)==0x511 then |
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| 02:51.09 | Shirik | Mikk: if bit.band(destFlags, 0x511) == 0x511 is true, then that means 0x511 is set in the mask |
| 02:51.16 | Shirik | what 0x511 is exactly, I don't know |
| 02:51.32 | Shirik | the the statement is checking to see if all of those bits are set |
| 02:51.35 | Shirik | er, that's for Mike-N-Go |
| 02:52.57 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik |
| 02:52.57 | purl | Shirik, you Fail! |
| 02:53.07 | Atriace | I wish there was a way to test whether a buff was castable. LIke... instead of UnitBuff(unit, buffIndex, castable), have GetBuffCastable(buffIndex). |
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| 02:58.34 | Mike-N-Go | http://norganna.pastey.net/90873 is the code I am working with. |
| 02:59.36 | Mike-N-Go | If it helps, that filter is for the player. |
| 03:00.23 | Mike-N-Go | What exactly are these bits? |
| 03:00.33 | Mike-N-Go | wowwiki was not too discriptive. |
| 03:01.20 | Shirik | unfortunately I don't know; the new combat log is not something I got into |
| 03:04.52 | Tenchworks | boo my server lagged out |
| 03:04.54 | Mike-N-Go | The evnet "COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED" was diffrent prior to a recent patch? |
| 03:05.41 | MentalPower | that event did not exist prior to 2.4.0 |
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| 03:15.58 | Thunder_Child | woo hoo, -4 hours and counting http://www.lhcountdown.com/?p=1 |
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| 03:35.53 | Atriace | Are there any standard conventions for iterators such as i has? Like.... is it conventional/good/bad to use ii or iii? |
| 03:49.58 | Atriace | How do you name a key to a table entry post-facto? |
| 03:50.22 | duaiwe | Atriace: typically people will use i, j, and k, etc when they need multiple iterator names, like nested loops or wahtnot |
| 03:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | also, do you mean add a value to a table and THEN give it a key? |
| 03:50.53 | Atriace | Good to know. Thanks. |
| 03:51.51 | Atriace | No, as in, you use table.insert (which doesn't allow you to name the pos). So after it's been entered into your table at pos n+1, you want to name the key "FooVar" rather than [536} |
| 03:52.12 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't that precisely what i said? >.> |
| 03:52.23 | Atriace | I guess so. :) |
| 03:52.43 | Atriace | But... you seemed to imply that it didn't have a key prior |
| 03:53.29 | Atriace | Which I'm sure you didn't mean, since as far as I know every value in a table defacto has a key (numeric or otherwise) |
| 03:53.31 | NightHawkTheSane | well, an entry in a table MUST have some key to access it. |
| 03:54.18 | NightHawkTheSane | but in your example, assuming you know what index it was given, you can access it by that and to a table['key'] = table[index] |
| 03:54.30 | NightHawkTheSane | but that will not eliminate the value at that index, merely add a new value at 'key' |
| 03:55.13 | Atriace | which followed by a table.remove might just do what I'm looking for. |
| 03:55.26 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 03:55.29 | Atriace | Thanks, I hadn't thought of table['key'] = table[index] |
| 03:55.59 | NightHawkTheSane | np |
| 03:56.22 | Atriace | NightHawk, have you built a buff mod before? |
| 03:57.00 | NightHawkTheSane | uh, define "buff mod" ;) |
| 03:57.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i've done a little work with buffs, but not much |
| 03:57.22 | Atriace | In this case, one that replaces the functionality of the built-in buff bar. |
| 03:57.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, no. :) |
| 03:58.43 | Atriace | I'm sort of reaching out right now (as much as I prefer not to). I've rebuilt this code of my mod for buffs about the 6th time now. |
| 03:59.14 | Atriace | Kinda wish there was someone around who had a flashlight on the path to "fully-functional" |
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| 03:59.47 | Atriace | Ah well. Anywho, thanks for the help. I better hit the sack. Cheers. ;) |
| 03:59.58 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, later :) |
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| 04:11.04 | Lukian | less calculations for the server, the better :/ |
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| 04:26.41 | Mitranim | Hello world! |
| 04:27.07 | Mitranim | Iriel! Your Double wide code is utterly corrupt! I've found another bug in it. :-( |
| 04:29.02 | Tem | that's unusual |
| 04:29.18 | Mitranim | Is he asleep at the moment? |
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| 04:30.25 | Mitranim | Maybe someone knows a solution for his bug? |
| 04:30.50 | Mitranim | Did anyone mess up with DW code? |
| 04:36.38 | Tem | what's unusual is that there is a bug in Iriel's code after it having been released for this long |
| 04:36.44 | Tem | what's the issue? |
| 04:36.59 | Tem | I'm in the middle of learning Teron Gorefiend so I probably won't be much help |
| 04:37.04 | Tem | but *shrug* |
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| 06:30.45 | cnc|work | g'morning |
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| 07:19.45 | Fisker- | i am back |
| 07:19.48 | Fisker- | and unstoppable |
| 07:20.14 | Fisker- | i threaten you with slavery and death Thunder_Child |
| 07:22.10 | Thunder_Child | promises promises |
| 07:22.17 | Bibi` | stfu Fisker- |
| 07:22.35 | Bibi` | now. is there a way to hide or rename the name of a character in the PlayerFrame ? |
| 07:22.37 | cnc|work | <3 Fisker- |
| 07:22.42 | cnc|work | don't feed the troll Bibi` :p |
| 07:23.10 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:23.15 | Fisker- | you wound me |
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| 07:29.36 | clad|sleep | Bibi`: PlayerName:SetText("Douchebag") |
| 07:29.44 | sioraiocht | wow |
| 07:29.44 | sioraiocht | nerd |
| 07:29.48 | clad|sleep | h8 |
| 07:29.54 | sioraiocht | ooh, that had a nice double entendre |
| 07:30.07 | cladhaire | i wrote a fucking book about writing wow addons, and you call me a nerd for a one-liner in IRC? |
| 07:30.09 | cladhaire | lame |
| 07:30.40 | sioraiocht | I'm sorry? All I read is "blah, blah, blah, I'm a dirty tramp" |
| 07:30.44 | Bibi` | thanks cladhaire ^^ |
| 07:30.49 | cladhaire | np :P |
| 07:30.53 | cladhaire | you can PlayerName:Hide() as well |
| 07:31.00 | Thunder_Child | cnc|work, what troll? Fisker- actually has to be good to qualify |
| 07:31.16 | cnc|work | he is |
| 07:31.18 | cladhaire | look at the second result on google for "Blah Blah Blah I'm a dirty tramp": http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Blah+Blah+Blah+I%27m+a+Dirty+Tramp&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 07:31.24 | Thunder_Child | cnc|work, hardly |
| 07:31.24 | Fisker- | i'm amazing cnc|work |
| 07:31.26 | cladhaire | in short, i win |
| 07:31.27 | sioraiocht | RORFL |
| 07:31.32 | cnc|work | rofl |
| 07:32.04 | cnc|work | ~whalenuke sioraiocht |
| 07:32.08 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around sioraiocht with his mind powers. |
| 07:32.28 | sioraiocht | actually, the first thing that comes up is my last.fm page... |
| 07:32.51 | Fisker- | you cannot stop me cnc|work |
| 07:32.56 | Fisker- | also |
| 07:32.58 | cnc|work | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cncfanatics shows up pretty much results |
| 07:32.59 | Fisker- | you prefer the company of men |
| 07:33.04 | cnc|work | the autocorrection is funny though |
| 07:33.07 | cnc|work | yea, totaly Fisker- |
| 07:33.32 | sioraiocht | and then loads of irc archives |
| 07:33.54 | cnc|work | well sioraiocht, you have 10 pages of google results after all |
| 07:33.59 | Tekkub | ah the wonders of the internet... |
| 07:34.12 | sioraiocht | hahah |
| 07:34.17 | Tekkub | I now know what the lil flaps of skin that I seem ta randomly grow are called |
| 07:34.21 | Tekkub | "skin tags" |
| 07:34.24 | sioraiocht | searching for my real name, on the other hand |
| 07:34.28 | sioraiocht | brings up NOTHING about me |
| 07:35.09 | Tekkub | Fisker-, I was thinking I was growing a spare nipple! |
| 07:35.54 | cnc|work | searching for my real name brings up wowace -.- |
| 07:36.27 | Fisker- | awesome Tekkub |
| 07:36.30 | Fisker- | may i suck? |
| 07:36.40 | Fisker- | your nipple, not generally of course |
| 07:36.44 | Tekkub | I just cut it off |
| 07:36.59 | Tekkub | the new not-nipple, not the actual nipple |
| 07:37.10 | Tekkub | back to two nipples for me! |
| 07:37.13 | Fisker- | curses |
| 07:37.38 | Tekkub | I got a few in my armpit too if you'd like a lick? |
| 07:37.52 | Fisker- | yay |
| 07:38.13 | Tekkub | we are such sad pathetic little people... |
| 07:38.13 | cnc|work | Fisker-, Tekkub: you're weird |
| 07:38.26 | Tekkub | cnc's not a pitlicker eh? |
| 07:39.16 | Fisker- | it does not appear so |
| 07:39.52 | Tekkub | he's not going to have any fun when Wrath of the Licking comes out |
| 07:40.21 | Fisker- | >:O? |
| 07:40.40 | cnc|work | I'm not ? :o |
| 07:40.42 | cnc|work | why not ? :( |
| 07:40.56 | Tekkub | <Tekkub> cnc's not a pitlicker eh? |
| 07:41.10 | cnc|work | how does that connect to wotlk though ? :o |
| 07:41.18 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 07:41.58 | cnc|work | enlighten me |
| 07:42.22 | Tekkub | it's too late now |
| 07:42.31 | cnc|work | :'( |
| 07:45.13 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4754508241&sid=1 <-lol @ n00bs btw |
| 07:47.13 | cnc|work | that guy got owned :op |
| 07:48.27 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4754507860&sid=1#6 <-this guy is so funny :D |
| 07:48.40 | Fisker- | First he says that he can buy 22-slots bags for additional character lots |
| 07:48.42 | Fisker- | slots* |
| 07:48.59 | Fisker- | then he call people doshe bags for telling him that you cannot have characters in bags :D |
| 07:49.14 | Tekkub | Can I mix classes in the same bags, or do I have to put ie warlocks together in one? |
| 07:49.27 | Fisker- | only if you get a warlock bag |
| 07:49.52 | Tekkub | what is a Doshe bag anyway? Does it hold warlocks too? |
| 07:50.46 | Fisker- | I think the term he's looking for is a "douchebag" |
| 07:51.12 | sioraiocht | AHHH they're playing john mayer in this café |
| 07:51.13 | Tekkub | no no, he clearly means Doche. Proper Noun there also |
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| 08:04.15 | cnc|work | Fisker-: your nick fails |
| 08:04.24 | Fisker- | no u |
| 08:04.30 | cnc|work | fiskerdin |
| 08:04.31 | cnc|work | seriously |
| 08:04.39 | Fisker- | also you wound me |
| 08:04.46 | cnc|work | I love doing that |
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| 08:41.05 | Hapnintwo | Hi |
| 08:41.12 | cnc|work | Hi |
| 08:53.07 | Tekkub | http://www.reallifecomics.com/ <--- me |
| 08:53.15 | Tekkub | and yes, I choose sleep over sex |
| 08:55.53 | Kalroth | Wise man |
| 08:57.51 | hiflyer | Tekkub: incoming sex wakes me up so I can't make that choice :) |
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| 08:58.19 | Tekkub | yea... in my world morning sex never works out well |
| 08:58.28 | Tekkub | certain preparations must be made |
| 08:58.39 | Tekkub | especially after just waking up |
| 08:59.33 | Elkano | a good girl would wake you up using sex ;) |
| 08:59.53 | Tekkub | *sigh* on that note I'm going to bed |
| 09:00.13 | Elkano | at least the moment you notice what's going on you'll be totaly awake |
| 09:00.57 | hiflyer | Elkano: exactly :) |
| 09:03.41 | Nechckn | Elkano That is the best way to wake up- ever.... otherwise, sleeping is much better! =) |
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| 09:27.14 | Hapnintwo | Tekkub: i choose food, sex is for kids |
| 09:40.26 | Snago | How can I find out if a buff is Magic? I have to use tooltip scanning? |
| 09:40.49 | cnc|work | should be able to use the dispell type |
| 09:40.52 | cnc|work | if there's an API to figure that |
| 09:40.57 | cnc|work | else its the tooltip |
| 09:41.22 | Snago | cnc|work: UnitBuff don't return a dispell type like UnitDebuff does :( |
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| 09:42.43 | cnc|work | how does wowhead & thottbot figure it out then ? |
| 09:43.55 | Snago | I'm not sure. I'm hoping I've missed some API so I don't have to turn to tooltip scanning. |
| 09:44.38 | cnc|work | one sec |
| 09:44.42 | cnc|work | aren't all buffs magic ? |
| 09:44.49 | cnc|work | I don't know any which isn't actualy |
| 09:45.02 | Snago | Nope, Sunder Armor for example |
| 09:45.12 | cnc|work | thats no buff is it ? |
| 09:45.14 | cnc|work | thats a debuff |
| 09:45.27 | Snago | oh, right.. |
| 09:45.33 | Snago | wait, I'll find another :P |
| 09:46.03 | Snago | Druid forms |
| 09:46.04 | cnc|work | there are none I think |
| 09:46.08 | cnc|work | auras, true |
| 09:46.20 | cnc|work | hmmm why do you care btw ? :p |
| 09:46.34 | cnc|work | oh |
| 09:46.35 | cnc|work | found it |
| 09:46.35 | Snago | Evasion |
| 09:46.36 | cnc|work | GetPlayerBuffDispelType |
| 09:46.42 | cnc|work | http://www.wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPlayerBuffDispelType |
| 09:47.08 | cnc|work | their api is incosistant though |
| 09:47.16 | cnc|work | debuffs return everything with UnitDebuff |
| 09:47.22 | cnc|work | but UnitBuff needs additional calls -. |
| 09:47.26 | Snago | Ah, that's nice.. But I need one for units, not only player |
| 09:47.44 | cnc|work | I'd doubt it exists |
| 09:48.00 | Snago | tooltip scanning then :\ |
| 09:48.10 | cnc|work | you didn't use to be able to see any buffs except magic ones remember (the detect magic era) |
| 09:48.14 | cnc|work | so such an API wasn't needed |
| 09:48.26 | cnc|work | I'd go and request them to make all GetPlayerX to GetUnitX for buffs |
| 09:48.35 | Snago | Ahh.. makes sense |
| 09:49.08 | cnc|work | or just ask blizz to change UnitBuff to be consistant with UnitDebuff |
| 09:49.12 | cnc|work | makes the most sense rly |
| 09:49.16 | Snago | yeah |
| 09:50.08 | Snago | People have scared away all blizz devs from the channel, right? |
| 09:50.27 | cnc|work | think so, tards :p |
| 09:50.30 | cnc|work | forum ftw |
| 09:50.38 | Snago | eu acc ftl |
| 09:51.25 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 09:51.31 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't care about europeans :( |
| 09:51.35 | cnc|work | ask an US person to post ? |
| 09:52.00 | cnc|work | shld have enough of those around |
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| 09:58.24 | Snago | oh, btw.. about what I want it for.. I'm making aura highlighting for my UF and I want it to work for enemy targets (Purge, Shield Slam, etc) as well.. |
| 10:01.26 | cnc|work | sounds like tooltip scanning :) |
| 10:01.43 | Snago | :'( |
| 10:01.54 | Snago | I hate tooltip scanning |
| 10:02.03 | Snago | It makes me feel filthy and dirty |
| 10:03.12 | sacarasc | but that's because you are |
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| 10:54.50 | Lunessa | ... <weakly> ... station. |
| 11:04.35 | wereHamster | is it possible to change the winxp license key after installation? |
| 11:04.55 | Lunessa | If you try, it'll phone home again. |
| 11:05.18 | wereHamster | I don't have my legal key at me, so I'd install with a pirated key and when I get my real key I'd change it |
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| 11:06.16 | Lunessa | Microsoft is very lenient - just call the toll-free number and explain. They'll help you. |
| 11:06.37 | cnc|work | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=xSq&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=change+cd+key+after+install+windows+xp&spell=1 |
| 11:06.39 | cnc|work | second link |
| 11:06.51 | Lunessa | I bought a second-hand laptop and Windows XP was pre-installed, but not registered. No discs, no manual. 1 phone call... BAHM. |
| 11:07.09 | Lunessa | They hooked me up with a key. |
| 11:07.11 | cladhaire | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/328874 |
| 11:07.19 | cladhaire | a little google-fu goes a long way |
| 11:08.22 | cnc|work | Lunessa: couldn't you just get free keys while pretending that ? |
| 11:08.58 | Lunessa | Who knows? They helped me out. I explained the deal, they shot me a code, and I registered XP. |
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| 11:10.46 | Fisker- | not as long as Windows Live Search-fu cladhaire |
| 11:10.59 | cladhaire | i think i hate you |
| 11:11.08 | Fisker- | wee |
| 11:13.21 | Lunessa | So, Xian-Lee... your Google-Fu is strong, even though I heard you were dead! Now we FIGHT! |
| 11:13.52 | Elkano | clad, we think alike ;) |
| 11:14.05 | cladhaire | http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=google+search&word2=windows+live+search |
| 11:14.18 | Elkano | but what would we be without the people we hate? ^^ |
| 11:15.10 | cnc|work | I'm sorry cladhaire |
| 11:15.11 | cnc|work | http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=cladhaire&word2=Fisker- |
| 11:15.30 | durcyn | Elkano: much better off? |
| 11:15.43 | cladhaire | heh |
| 11:15.53 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: ohayo |
| 11:16.23 | Elkano | what would light be without darkness? Jerry without Tom? The world without Bush? |
| 11:16.33 | JoshBorke | Elkano: really really bright |
| 11:16.35 | Lunessa | Boring. |
| 11:16.43 | cnc|work | the world without bush ? A heaven |
| 11:17.05 | krka | wait, what kind of bush are we talking about here? |
| 11:17.09 | JoshBorke | world without bush? very smooth |
| 11:17.43 | cnc|work | krka: the idiot type |
| 11:17.47 | Lunessa | Meh, don't mind me. My vehicle broke own on the road home and I've spent the last 8 hours nursing it to a garage. I haven't slept, eaten or showered, and lord only knows when I'll get to go home. |
| 11:18.28 | durcyn | well, maybe if you'd pushed it instead of trying to milk yourself. |
| 11:18.52 | durcyn | nevermind, it's too early for nursing jokes. |
| 11:21.01 | Lunessa | That's.. disgusting. |
| 11:21.24 | Lunessa | And... I'm too tired to laugh anyway. |
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| 11:46.07 | wereHamster | cool, atom is a 64bit cpu |
| 11:46.23 | cnc|work | <3 http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/000806.html |
| 11:53.08 | foxlit | http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/000801.html (!) |
| 11:53.34 | cnc|work | I don't like that one personalty |
| 11:53.54 | foxlit | The bubbles are all from a song |
| 11:54.06 | foxlit | But I suppose that's obvious :) |
| 11:54.28 | cnc|work | they are ? :o |
| 11:55.00 | foxlit | Perhaps calling it a song is an overstatement, but there's audio that extends that fragment quite a bit. |
| 11:56.28 | foxlit | http://nathan.kichline.com/Dr.%20Demento%20-%20Dungeons%20and%20Dragons.mp3 fear my google skills? |
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| 13:13.33 | Greta | So I have this code http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90923 my intention is to create an invisible target frame wich I can use /click on. So far, I can only get either OnClick or the target thing to work at once, but I'd like them to work together. Any suggestions? |
| 13:16.11 | foxlit | By doing :SetScript("OnClick", anything) you replace the secure action button handler |
| 13:16.17 | foxlit | effectively making any attributes you set ignored. |
| 13:16.31 | foxlit | If you really want to run something else on OnClick, you can use :HookScript instead |
| 13:16.47 | foxlit | Alternatively, there's also "PreClick" and "PostClick" handlers that are largely unused by the secure templates. |
| 13:17.46 | Greta | can I use "PreClick" with :SetScript, or do I have to use this HookScript function? |
| 13:18.38 | cnc|work | you can use SetScript |
| 13:18.42 | cnc|work | I use them a lot |
| 13:19.12 | Greta | HookScript with "OnClick" worked, thanks a lot. But "PreClick" sounds interesting, where can I read about it? |
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| 13:20.18 | Kaso | Those "fake virus scan" websites that tell you your C: Drive is infect are all the more hillarious when you use linux |
| 13:20.27 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 13:20.34 | cnc|work | Greta: not much to read about it |
| 13:20.40 | cnc|work | though, you shouldn't hook onclick |
| 13:20.51 | foxlit | oh? |
| 13:20.53 | cnc|work | registering postscript will do the exact same thing as hooking onclick |
| 13:20.58 | cnc|work | and take less cpu & mem |
| 13:21.22 | Greta | Alright, so what is postscript? Should I simply use PreClick or PostClick instead? |
| 13:21.24 | foxlit | ... :/ |
| 13:22.45 | cnc|work | postscript ? what's that ? :o |
| 13:22.53 | cnc|work | I mean postclick ofc |
| 13:22.55 | cnc|work | typo of me :p |
| 13:23.20 | Kaso | too much work with printing documents imo |
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| 13:24.18 | Greta | Altight, so I use SetScript with "PreClick" now (would PostClick save some mem and/or cpu?) |
| 13:24.22 | Greta | And it works, thanks :) |
| 13:24.59 | Kaso | PostScript/PreScript are pretty much the same in performance, its just if you want to do stuff before or after the orignal code has done stuff |
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| 13:25.10 | Greta | Yeah, great |
| 13:25.35 | Greta | So PreClick would be before targeting? |
| 13:26.44 | Beladona | coming in late in the conversation, but basically PreClick is simply something that gets processed before OnClick |
| 13:26.55 | cnc|work | the order is PreClick OnClick PostClick |
| 13:27.26 | cnc|work | so yes, as urs is a targetting frame, PreClick is before targetting |
| 13:27.28 | cnc|work | and PostClick is after |
| 13:28.04 | Greta | So I can change the unit attribute in PreClick |
| 13:28.04 | Kaso | in terms of hooking preclick is like doing function hooked_OnClick() org_OnClick() myStuff() end whereas postclick is like function hooked_OnClick() myStuff() org_OnClick() end |
| 13:29.01 | Beladona | you got that backwards Kaso |
| 13:29.01 | foxlit | only outside combat |
| 13:29.41 | foxlit | s/post/pre/ and it's all good. |
| 13:29.48 | Beladona | yup |
| 13:30.06 | Greta | So theres no way to change the unit of a frame in combat? |
| 13:30.14 | foxlit | more secure frames |
| 13:30.28 | foxlit | but not arbitrarily, no |
| 13:30.40 | cnc|work | it's possible with more attribute setting |
| 13:30.56 | cnc|work | slightly more complicated though |
| 13:30.57 | Beladona | it would allow for smart buffing / casting, which obviously isn't allwoed |
| 13:31.16 | cnc|work | well, they can be fully configured to do whatever you want out of combat |
| 13:31.21 | Beladona | aye |
| 13:31.31 | cnc|work | which basicly means they can't react to anything happening during the fight |
| 13:31.31 | foxlit | Considering buffing usually goes on out of combat... :) |
| 13:31.49 | Kaso | Beladona your right >< im silly |
| 13:31.58 | Kaso | you're! |
| 13:32.00 | Kaso | ughk |
| 13:32.06 | Beladona | you know what I mean foxlit, IN COMBAT buffing / casting with smart logic |
| 13:32.12 | Greta | Well, my idea was to make it change unit as its clicked, using the proximo (arena addon) unit frames |
| 13:32.25 | Greta | Switching between ProximoTarget1, ...2, ...3 and so on |
| 13:32.37 | Beladona | you wont be able to change the unit associated during combat |
| 13:32.52 | cnc|work | except if you configure it outside of combat ;) |
| 13:33.16 | Greta | well the proximo frames are always the same |
| 13:33.19 | cnc|work | if it just cycles between the targets by their number then it can probably be setup out of combat |
| 13:33.26 | Greta | so i guess, if I knew how, I could configure it before combat |
| 13:33.55 | Greta | Yeah, its going to cycle between ProximoTarget1 to 5 |
| 13:34.29 | cnc|work | those targets are known before combat or at the very start of combat ? |
| 13:34.32 | cnc|work | if so, then its possible yep |
| 13:34.48 | foxlit | cnc: you don't even have to use that constraint |
| 13:34.52 | Greta | Well those are frames, the proximo addon itself adds unit ids to those frames later |
| 13:34.58 | cnc|work | foxlit: how so ? |
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| 13:35.14 | foxlit | considering proximo manages its own secure layer, it's just as simple as redirecting a /click to its frames |
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| 13:35.20 | cnc|work | true idd |
| 13:35.42 | cnc|work | haha, that makes it easy |
| 13:35.45 | Greta | So I should set a macro for the frame? |
| 13:35.59 | Greta | wich I change in PreClick |
| 13:36.01 | cnc|work | on the first click, call ProximoTarget1:Click(); |
| 13:36.12 | cnc|work | on the second call ProximoTarget2:Click() |
| 13:36.21 | cnc|work | you might even be able to completely bypass using secure stuff |
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| 13:40.15 | Greta | The UI tells me that my addon has been blocked for using :Click() |
| 13:41.34 | cnc|work | hmmm, ah yea ofc |
| 13:41.58 | cnc|work | don't think you can call them outside of a macro |
| 13:42.00 | Greta | would it be possible to set and change a macro for the frame? |
| 13:42.57 | Kaso | http://ihateyouall.com/sapc/reiser.gif |
| 13:43.06 | cnc|work | old Kaso |
| 13:43.07 | Kaso | (real wikipedia screenshot) |
| 13:43.09 | cnc|work | got reverted already |
| 13:43.14 | Kaso | damn >,< |
| 13:45.42 | Drundia | hmm, "murders your wife", why not start with her mother? |
| 13:46.19 | cnc|work | because it's some idiot that put that there ? :p |
| 13:46.26 | nevcairiel | Kaso: yeah i was on the wikipedia page while it was still on there |
| 13:46.40 | nevcairiel | long time ago, though |
| 13:46.47 | nevcairiel | at least 3 month |
| 13:47.00 | cnc|work | was again today |
| 13:47.05 | cnc|work | some idiots have been putting it back quite often |
| 13:47.09 | cnc|work | always gets reverted quite fast thouh |
| 13:47.20 | Kaso | is is the way of wikipedia |
| 13:47.20 | nevcairiel | they should lock the page |
| 13:47.31 | Kaso | it was added back today due to; http://cbs5.com/crime/nina.reiser.body.2.765747.html |
| 13:47.35 | cnc|work | they semilocked it |
| 13:47.51 | cnc|work | only users that did quite some legit edits can edit it |
| 13:48.01 | cnc|work | still some idiots in that category it seems though |
| 13:58.03 | Rabbitbunny | Any of you a prospector? I need to know what can be prospected. Crafted items? |
| 13:58.15 | cnc|work | huh ? |
| 13:58.16 | Lopeppeppy | Just raw ore, IIRC. |
| 13:58.18 | cnc|work | you mean prospected from JC ? |
| 13:58.26 | cnc|work | all raw ores except silver & gold |
| 13:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | And not all raw ores...what he said |
| 13:58.48 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't think you could prospect truesilver either? |
| 13:58.49 | Rabbitbunny | Okay, That's one thing I don't need to include in my Tradeskill addon. |
| 13:58.56 | cnc|work | indeed, no truesilver either |
| 13:58.58 | Rabbitbunny | Thanks |
| 13:59.04 | Lunessa | Rabbitbunny: Only ore, and not all ores. |
| 13:59.12 | cnc|work | "noble" ores can't |
| 13:59.18 | cnc|work | basicly, silver, gold, truesilver, and the like |
| 13:59.22 | Lunessa | Can't prospect Khorium either. |
| 13:59.27 | cnc|work | its noble too |
| 13:59.40 | cnc|work | all ores that aren't normal spawns but instead replace another ore spawn can't be prospected |
| 13:59.49 | Lunessa | I rather think of it as a pain in my ass, but sure, that qualifies as noble. |
| 14:00.16 | Hexarobi | like noble gases? |
| 14:00.29 | Lopeppeppy | The gas we pass. *nod* |
| 14:00.36 | Hexarobi | *salutes* |
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| 14:09.54 | Shirik | sigh |
| 14:09.57 | Shirik | Lua has corrupted my brain |
| 14:10.10 | Mikk | It happens so easily |
| 14:10.13 | Shirik | I'm looking at some C++ code and I see "this" and for a second I thought "tsk tsk, he shouldn't be using 'this'! |
| 14:10.20 | Lunessa | Shirik: Not like that was difficult. :P |
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| 14:11.02 | Lopeppeppy | Self! |
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| 14:19.57 | Legorol | Next time someone asks about ores and prospecting, you can give them the simple answer: |
| 14:20.05 | Legorol | Common ores can be prospected, uncommon ores can't be. |
| 14:20.28 | Legorol | (common and uncommon used in the WoW-sense of white/green) |
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| 14:22.25 | AckisWork | Legorol: what about epic ones? :P |
| 14:22.49 | Legorol | Touche. They can't be prospected either, I tried. |
| 14:23.17 | Legorol | I guess the most generic statement is: "Only common ores can be prospected". |
| 14:23.17 | AckisWork | I know ;) |
| 14:23.30 | AckisWork | until they change that |
| 14:23.42 | AckisWork | are there any blue ores? |
| 14:23.44 | Legorol | sure, but it holds right now and is a quick and simple reply |
| 14:24.01 | Legorol | hm actually now that i think about it, there is an exception, so I'm wrong |
| 14:24.09 | Legorol | Dark Iron Ore can't be prospected either and it's common |
| 14:24.35 | AckisWork | oh snap |
| 14:24.36 | cnc|work | "noble" ores can't be prospected holds true :) |
| 14:24.46 | Legorol | i have no idea what a "noble" ore is |
| 14:24.59 | cnc|work | a noble ore is an ore which is not a regular spawn but spawns in the place of another ore vein |
| 14:25.10 | Legorol | cnc|work: you misunderstand |
| 14:25.17 | Legorol | i am perfectly well aware of how ores and spawns work |
| 14:25.30 | Legorol | what i was trying to get at is that this is the first time i have seen the word "noble" used in WoW context to refer to quality/rarity |
| 14:25.43 | Legorol | so it's an ill-defined, or little used term |
| 14:27.31 | Lunessa | When TBC shipped, I tried prospecting everything. As time went by, I only really cared about doing Adamantite. |
| 14:27.54 | cnc|work | is adamantite even still viable those days ? |
| 14:27.57 | Lunessa | Also you cannot prospect Nerthercite ore. |
| 14:28.01 | cnc|work | most people use epic gems anyway |
| 14:28.09 | cnc|work | nerthercite ore ? whats that ? |
| 14:28.29 | Fisker- | RAPE RAPE RAPE |
| 14:28.39 | Fisker- | agreed? |
| 14:28.43 | Lunessa | cnc|work: I'm on an "lolrp" server full of "terribads" like myself who don't have epic all epic gems. |
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| 14:29.47 | Lunessa | I have all the Shattered Sun designs. Just no gems to cut. :P |
| 14:30.00 | Lunessa | They're out there, I just don't happen to have any. |
| 14:30.03 | Fisker- | that's funny |
| 14:30.07 | Fisker- | i got none of the designs |
| 14:30.09 | Fisker- | but lots of gems |
| 14:30.21 | cnc|work | I go buy the design if someone asks me to cut one |
| 14:30.36 | Lunessa | I spent 1,500g just buying the damned designs. |
| 14:31.01 | Fisker- | owned |
| 14:31.09 | cnc|work | why ? |
| 14:31.10 | Fisker- | you should fail less |
| 14:31.13 | Lunessa | I'm still missing a few rare gem cuts. |
| 14:31.15 | cnc|work | when you can just go there and buy them when you need em |
| 14:31.36 | cnc|work | bbl, gonna head home |
| 14:31.41 | Lunessa | Now I never have to go there to buy them. I can just cut those fuckers whenever. |
| 14:31.51 | cnc|work | that aint' worth 1.5k g :p |
| 14:32.15 | Lunessa | gold is easy. |
| 14:32.25 | Shirik | This is an interesting discussion, and honestly, I find a lot of it to be true http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475718815&sid=1 |
| 14:32.50 | AckisWork | I think with my mod I've made quite a few people buy the patterns just to have them heh |
| 14:33.04 | Fisker- | tl;dr Shirik |
| 14:34.30 | Fisker- | yeah you better run Shirik |
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| 14:34.37 | Fisker- | chicken! |
| 14:34.41 | Fisker- | also u Kaelten |
| 14:35.50 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 14:35.52 | Kaelten | ~lart Fisker- |
| 14:35.52 | purl | makes a balloon animal out of Fisker- |
| 14:37.24 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 14:37.27 | Fisker- | you cannot destroy me |
| 14:37.47 | Fisker- | you are been hacker |
| 14:37.57 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4754138368&sid=1 <-see! |
| 14:38.00 | Fisker- | YOU BIG HAXER |
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| 14:48.54 | Greta | How do i retrieve the size of an array in lua? :) |
| 14:49.50 | Shirik | #array |
| 14:50.38 | Greta | Can't even search google for # :/ |
| 14:51.10 | Drundia | search lua manual then |
| 14:51.18 | Greta | where can i find it? |
| 14:51.26 | Olison | :-D |
| 14:51.28 | Greta | never mind |
| 14:51.29 | malreth | ~pil |
| 14:51.30 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 14:52.05 | Drundia | lua> t={1,2,3}; print(#t); -- that's how you check array size |
| 14:52.05 | lua_bot | Drundia: 3 |
| 14:52.34 | cladhaire | !api 2.5.5 |
| 14:52.34 | lua_bot | Lua Reference Manual: 'The Length Operator' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.5 |
| 14:52.55 | Greta | Thanks :) |
| 14:53.18 | Drundia | cladhaire knows all section numbers and what they are about :O |
| 14:53.40 | cladhaire | no, but i have it bookmarked and have a find function in my brower |
| 14:53.57 | cladhaire | and i can do it this way without needing to touch the mouse :P |
| 14:54.04 | malreth | ~lua |
| 14:54.05 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. Its name is derived from the Latin word "Luna" which means "moon". |
| 14:55.19 | malreth | !api |
| 14:55.40 | cladhaire | malreth: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 14:55.42 | malreth | it'd be nice if it returned the URL sans the section anchor |
| 14:55.47 | cladhaire | ... |
| 14:55.49 | cladhaire | umm |
| 14:56.00 | cladhaire | that would be the entire reference manual |
| 14:56.09 | malreth | for easy clickies |
| 14:56.10 | cladhaire | what purpose would that serve? |
| 14:56.15 | cladhaire | well, its not just for Lua |
| 14:56.18 | cladhaire | ~luarefman |
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| 14:56.27 | cladhaire | purl luarefman is http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html |
| 14:56.28 | purl | okay, cladhaire |
| 14:56.35 | malreth | now who's gonna remember luarefman? |
| 14:56.36 | cladhaire | use that |
| 14:56.41 | Shirik | ~refman |
| 14:56.45 | Shirik | hm |
| 14:56.49 | cladhaire | !api is a search function.. |
| 14:56.49 | Shirik | oh well I thought that was set |
| 14:56.49 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'is a search function..'. |
| 14:56.57 | cladhaire | not an infobot factoid |
| 14:56.59 | Drundia | maybe lrm for luarefman? |
| 14:57.05 | Drundia | ~lrm |
| 14:57.11 | cladhaire | it should make sense |
| 14:57.14 | cladhaire | and not be specific to us |
| 14:57.22 | cladhaire | considering infobot's db is shared across lots of channels and networks |
| 14:57.25 | cladhaire | hence, why i did luarefman |
| 15:09.46 | Shirik | I know cladhaire :) I just thought ~refman was already done |
| 15:10.01 | cladhaire | aye, me too but I checked in PMs :P |
| 15:10.19 | Shirik | I liked reiserfs because it sounded cool |
| 15:10.33 | durcyn | i hated reiserfs because it ate my damn files =( |
| 15:10.38 | cog|work | i like reiserfs because i keep a maildir backup of my gmail account :P |
| 15:10.42 | Shirik | now I use ext3 because someone yelled at me |
| 15:11.56 | amro | more like murderfs |
| 15:12.05 | ckknight | reiserfs, for all its good things, doesn't hold water to other filesystems. ext3 is more stable, xfs is faster, zfs is much better (albeit not available on linux) |
| 15:14.14 | Shirik | I like t79 |
| 15:14.26 | Shirik | mostly because that's my only choice |
| 15:15.04 | durcyn | i'm pretty sure you chose to use qnx =P |
| 15:15.15 | ckknight | I force chinese people to memorize numbers in my basement |
| 15:15.28 | AckisWork | I posted two add-ons to wowinterface w/ "place holder" screenshots, please don't hurt me. |
| 15:15.43 | Shirik | truth durcyn :) |
| 15:15.45 | ckknight | ugh, I need to take screenshots of Cart3 |
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| 15:20.21 | AckisWork | keep this up and I'm going to need a smoke |
| 15:22.17 | digmouse | ckknight: why number |
| 15:22.29 | ckknight | number? |
| 15:22.53 | digmouse | <+ckknight> I force chinese people to memorize numbers in my basement |
| 15:23.28 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7722648108&pageNo=1&sid=1#12 |
| 15:24.16 | Fisker- | DELETED |
| 15:24.17 | Fisker- | BAWWW |
| 15:24.20 | digmouse | The topic you're trying to post to has been deleted |
| 15:24.22 | cog|work | :( |
| 15:24.32 | Shirik | BALETED |
| 15:24.44 | cog|work | datth was having fun making fun of a keylogger |
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| 15:25.45 | cog|work | one thing i love about opera... hitting the back button brings you to the page as it was even if you've reloaded it since :P |
| 15:26.11 | Fisker- | most cost a lot of memory |
| 15:26.13 | Fisker- | GIEV SHOTS |
| 15:26.16 | Fisker- | SCREENSHOTS |
| 15:26.20 | cog|work | working on it |
| 15:26.21 | Gnarfoz | <+cog|work> i like reiserfs because i keep a maildir backup of my gmail account :P <-- somehow, I'm experiencing really bad performance for that exact usage scenario :\ reiserfs doesn't seem to cope well with many many small files |
| 15:26.25 | amro | epic item cog|work |
| 15:26.39 | Fisker- | i like reiserfs because the guy who made it is a murderer |
| 15:26.39 | cog|work | Gnarfoz: which is odd 'cause that's exactly what it was designed for iirc |
| 15:26.49 | amro | or legendary rather |
| 15:26.55 | cog|work | :) |
| 15:26.56 | Gnarfoz | I thought that's what reiser4 was supposed to help with |
| 15:27.05 | Fisker- | murder and mayhem? |
| 15:27.10 | Gnarfoz | no >_< |
| 15:27.12 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 15:27.15 | Gnarfoz | whatever, Fisker- :P |
| 15:27.23 | Fisker- | kthx |
| 15:28.36 | Lunessa | Innocent until PROVEN guilty. FFS. |
| 15:28.45 | Gnarfoz | what? |
| 15:28.50 | Gnarfoz | he's been proven guilty alright |
| 15:29.03 | ckknight | yea, he's been proven guilty in court |
| 15:29.12 | ckknight | well, found guilty |
| 15:29.14 | Gnarfoz | he showed them the corpse of his wife. |
| 15:29.22 | malreth | Gnarfoz: when? |
| 15:29.25 | ckknight | also a good sign |
| 15:29.30 | Gnarfoz | just recently. |
| 15:29.33 | ckknight | malreth: story on /. |
| 15:29.43 | Gnarfoz | I'll try to find a english version of... well ckk's faster ^^ |
| 15:30.12 | malreth | found. |
| 15:30.26 | malreth | haven't been reading /. lately |
| 15:30.36 | cog|work | Fisker-: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/sexleg.jpg |
| 15:32.29 | digmouse | lol |
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| 15:34.21 | malreth | LFM: !@$ Leg quest |
| 15:34.48 | digmouse | LF1Leg |
| 15:35.37 | malreth | only slightly more epic than this leg: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=9359 |
| 15:37.33 | Gnarfoz | I have that on my shammy, waiting to turn 40 ^^ |
| 15:38.12 | amro | I got it for my rogue, though I had better weapons =) |
| 15:40.00 | malreth | ugh... /. comments are groan-worthy |
| 15:40.12 | malreth | "You know what though...? inode he was a criminal all along." |
| 15:40.44 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 15:48.41 | Lunessa | Oh, so a verdict is out. Excellent. No more of it taking up mountains of space on WIRED. |
| 15:48.51 | foxlit | inode? |
| 15:49.15 | amro | "Hell yeah! I firmly believe Bill Gates killed his wife, despite all evidence, like her still being alive, saying otherwise!" |
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| 15:52.19 | ckknight | cog|work: ooh, she has sex leg |
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| 15:53.53 | DARKGuy | o/ |
| 15:57.36 | Josh_Borke | *groan* |
| 16:10.14 | Lunessa | so sex. |
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| 16:17.28 | Greta | So I have this code http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90940 and it gives me the error "... attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)", what am I doing wrong here? :o |
| 16:17.42 | Greta | I want to have the frames in some kind of array |
| 16:17.59 | ckknight | Greta: lua is 1-indexed, not 0-indexed |
| 16:18.19 | ckknight | lua> return ({ "Hello, Greta" })[1] |
| 16:18.19 | lua_bot | ckknight: Hello, Greta |
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| 16:18.50 | Greta | Alright, my mistake but changing to '1' gave me the same error |
| 16:18.53 | ckknight | lua> return ({ "Hello, Greta" })[0] -- should be nil |
| 16:18.53 | lua_bot | ckknight: nil |
| 16:19.09 | ckknight | Greta: does ProximoTarget1 exist? |
| 16:19.33 | Greta | How can I tell? I guess it does |
| 16:19.43 | malreth | that sounds like an assumption |
| 16:20.01 | Greta | Well I know that frame will exists well inside arena |
| 16:20.14 | malreth | how do you know that? |
| 16:20.15 | Fisker- | 1+1 = 2 |
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| 16:20.20 | Greta | I can /click it :) |
| 16:20.32 | ckknight | assert(ProximoTarget1) |
| 16:20.44 | malreth | how do you know that frame exists at the time that your code is run? |
| 16:20.53 | ckknight | it's possible it's created at a certain time, i.e. after your code runs |
| 16:22.41 | Greta | "assertion failed" |
| 16:22.59 | malreth | now you know that ProximoTarget1 does not exist when your code runs |
| 16:23.29 | Greta | oh, thanks |
| 16:23.58 | Greta | I dont know how i bypass this problem though |
| 16:24.17 | Greta | cant I check it without giving an error message |
| 16:25.00 | malreth | i missed the earlier conversation so i can't say for sure |
| 16:25.17 | Greta | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90940 here is my code |
| 16:25.26 | Greta | It's pretty simple |
| 16:25.59 | Greta | I guess I want to skip line 3 if ProximoTarget1 does no exist |
| 16:26.03 | malreth | i got that snippit of code |
| 16:26.17 | malreth | but i don't know the rest of the logic in which it resides |
| 16:26.18 | amro | what's creating the ProximoFrames? |
| 16:26.20 | malreth | when it runs |
| 16:26.22 | malreth | etc |
| 16:26.40 | Greta | amro its another addon |
| 16:27.09 | amro | check that addon's code- you want your code to run after the other addon has been properly initialized |
| 16:27.10 | Greta | ProximoTarget* frames are not "mine" |
| 16:28.14 | malreth | either ensure your code runs after the frames are valid |
| 16:28.29 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 16:28.33 | Fisker- | i got the challenger arena title |
| 16:28.37 | Fisker- | but i don't do arenas really :D |
| 16:28.45 | malreth | or test that the frame is not nil when your code does run and assume that they may or may not exist |
| 16:28.47 | Fisker- | also i haven't played for the last 2 months |
| 16:28.48 | Fisker- | haha |
| 16:28.50 | Fisker- | i win |
| 16:28.56 | cog|work | damn... |
| 16:29.07 | malreth | something like "if frame then do stuff end" |
| 16:29.11 | cog|work | "Your order has been successfully processed and will ship soon." <-- blizzard store |
| 16:29.19 | cog|work | guess it'll be a few months then :( |
| 16:29.24 | Greta | malreth thanks, im going to try that |
| 16:29.52 | Seerah | does it have the little "TM" next to the "soon", cog? :P |
| 16:30.07 | Greta | "if ProximoFrames[1] then" seems to work |
| 16:30.13 | nevcairiel | cog|work: authenticator? |
| 16:30.16 | cog|work | aye |
| 16:30.26 | nevcairiel | its always "sold out" in the EU store :( |
| 16:30.26 | Greta | I have one last question though, how can I convert ProximoFrames[1] to a string? |
| 16:30.44 | malreth | like this: "ProximoFrames[1]" |
| 16:30.46 | malreth | hahahaha |
| 16:30.47 | Greta | I want the string from ProximoFrames[1] to be "ProximoTarget1" |
| 16:30.47 | cog|work | apparently i got to it right after they came back into stock |
| 16:31.03 | cog|work | and now they're not again... |
| 16:31.10 | Fisker- | WTF? |
| 16:31.17 | Fisker- | now you've gotten the authenticator twice |
| 16:31.22 | Fisker- | and we haven't even gotten it once yet |
| 16:31.29 | Fisker- | i claim bias |
| 16:31.36 | cog|work | huh? |
| 16:31.39 | Lopeppeppy | Gnomes at the head of the line? Huh? |
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| 16:31.55 | Seerah | why not, peppy? |
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| 16:32.05 | Seerah | we just run through people's legs to get up front ;) |
| 16:32.09 | cog|work | i ordered two on 6/30... still hasn't shipped even though it was "processed" by the middle of last week |
| 16:32.19 | Fisker- | ah |
| 16:32.23 | Fisker- | lol |
| 16:32.23 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm all for lady-gnomes first! |
| 16:32.26 | Fisker- | pretty fail then |
| 16:32.49 | Lopeppeppy | Backorder issues. *nod* |
| 16:33.35 | cog|work | well it was in stock when i placed the order, and they obviously have a system that lets them turn off the in stock indicator |
| 16:34.15 | durcyn | whoa, that's kind of hot. |
| 16:34.28 | malreth | ~lart durcyn |
| 16:34.28 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in durcyn's direction, hitting durcyn and sending durcyn flying into the closet |
| 16:34.32 | durcyn | =( |
| 16:34.39 | malreth | back where you belong |
| 16:35.16 | Fisker- | i has challenger title rawr |
| 16:37.11 | Seerah | I like sausage on my pizza |
| 16:38.29 | Lunessa | bow-chee-chow-wow- |
| 16:38.59 | Seerah | is that a new brand of dog food, Lunessa? |
| 16:39.28 | Lunessa | Don't expect me to make much sense. :P |
| 16:39.40 | Fisker- | I AM THE BEST PVP'ER EVER |
| 16:39.41 | Fisker- | BOW |
| 16:39.43 | cog|work | Lunessa: getting started early? |
| 16:40.20 | Lunessa | cog|work: I'm rolling up on the 28 hours of wakefulness mark. |
| 16:40.39 | Seerah | ugh |
| 16:40.59 | cog|work | keep rollin, rollin, rollin, rollin |
| 16:42.08 | Seerah | rawhide! |
| 16:42.28 | Fisker- | Seerah |
| 16:42.32 | Fisker- | bow to my might |
| 16:42.52 | Lunessa | We've got both kinds! Country AND Western. |
| 16:43.35 | foxlit | eh |
| 16:43.54 | foxlit | why is the riding trainer offering to teach me apprentice riding when I'm on a flying mount to begin with? :/ |
| 16:44.06 | Lopeppeppy | He loves you? |
| 16:44.08 | Seerah | Perhaps once you demonstrate it, Fisker- ;) |
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| 16:45.12 | Fisker- | http://i35.tinypic.com/2h3d66p.jpg |
| 16:45.15 | Fisker- | /flex |
| 16:45.31 | Shirik | photoshopped |
| 16:45.32 | Shirik | imo |
| 16:45.48 | nevcairiel | I'm challenger too and i only played arenas for one week this season |
| 16:45.50 | Fisker- | you can see from the pixels? |
| 16:45.50 | nevcairiel | really nothing special |
| 16:45.58 | Fisker- | wut nevcairiel :o |
| 16:46.01 | Wikwocket | What does Challenger mean? Top 5% or something? |
| 16:46.01 | Fisker- | how is that even possible? |
| 16:46.03 | Tem | Fisker-, do you not understand how easy challenger is? |
| 16:46.15 | Fisker- | should only be like 30% |
| 16:46.20 | nevcairiel | isnt challenger the lowest? |
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| 16:46.51 | Fisker- | yes |
| 16:46.55 | Fisker- | but it's still only like 30% |
| 16:48.18 | Tem | all you need for challenger is a rating over 1500 |
| 16:48.34 | Tem | which, honestly, if you don't have, you suck |
| 16:48.37 | Shirik | huh? |
| 16:48.44 | Wikwocket | I suck :) |
| 16:48.44 | Shirik | I was 1500 forever and never got that |
| 16:48.53 | nevcairiel | its > |
| 16:48.55 | nevcairiel | not >= |
| 16:48.55 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:49.03 | Shirik | ok, I had 1800 forever |
| 16:49.08 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 16:49.14 | Tem | I had 1838 |
| 16:49.18 | Tem | and then lost 13 games in a row |
| 16:49.31 | Tem | I'll never get a weapon. *cry* |
| 16:49.49 | Shirik | and |
| 16:49.52 | Shirik | apparently I have a challenger rating |
| 16:49.53 | Shirik | wtf |
| 16:50.07 | Shirik | nm then >.> |
| 16:51.21 | Wikwocket | My rating is rather bad... perhaps I can get a "Challenged" title? |
| 16:51.26 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:51.27 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:54.09 | Fisker- | how can you get challenger with a rating just over 1500? |
| 16:54.19 | Fisker- | also according to the stats i'm not eligible for challenger |
| 16:54.25 | Fisker- | and our team was actually 1629 or so |
| 16:56.22 | Tem | I don't really know, Fisker-, as I've never ended a season that low before |
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| 16:58.19 | Fisker- | tekkub owes me 1 billion gold anyways |
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| 17:08.38 | Greta | Back at http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90940 it seems assert(ProximoFrames[1]) fails, but assert(ProximoTarget1) works, why is this? Shouldnt ProximoFrames[1] be the same as ProximoTarget1?:o |
| 17:13.12 | malreth | when you construct the ProximoFrames table, ProximoTarget1 is likely nil so you're storing that |
| 17:14.19 | malreth | lua> frames = { hoopy, lamp, fluffy }; hoopy="jerg"; print(frames[1]) |
| 17:14.20 | lua_bot | malreth: nil |
| 17:14.21 | Greta | Is it possible to use some kind of pointer? |
| 17:16.44 | alestane | Well, you could certainly put a table into ProximoFrames[1] (although it's not needful), but it sounds like what you're looking to do assign ProximoTarget1 into ProximoFrames[1] when ProximoTarget1 is created. |
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| 17:17.19 | Greta | well, whenever its changed |
| 17:17.33 | Greta | I want some kind of pointer to ProximoTarget1 |
| 17:17.48 | alestane | Is ProximoTarget1 a frame? |
| 17:17.52 | Greta | yes |
| 17:18.00 | Greta | not created by my addon |
| 17:18.02 | alestane | Then it is itself a table. |
| 17:18.23 | Greta | I just want an easy way to loop through ProximoTarget1-5 |
| 17:18.39 | alestane | So any reference to it will continue to be a reference to the same frame. |
| 17:18.40 | Greta | or even change these easily to PartyMemberFrame1-4 or something |
| 17:21.18 | alestane | Is your add-on dependent on Proximo, to ensure that it doesn't load until after Proximo does? |
| 17:21.41 | Greta | I've added "## Dependencies: Proximo" into the toc file |
| 17:22.20 | alestane | I believe the phrase you're looking for is "## RequiredDependencies:" although it could be a synonym of which I wasn't aware. |
| 17:22.49 | malreth | have you looked into Proximo to determine when exactly the ProximoTarget frames are created? |
| 17:22.59 | foxlit | alestane: Required is optional |
| 17:23.27 | Greta | Still get the same error with RequiredDep. |
| 17:23.29 | foxlit | all dependancies were required before optionaldeps were conceived, hence the alias. |
| 17:23.40 | alestane | That makes sense. |
| 17:23.41 | foxlit | pastey some code? |
| 17:23.56 | malreth | Greta: have you looked into Proximo to determine when exactly the ProximoTarget frames are created? |
| 17:24.25 | Lunessa | Greta - Also, it's possible for some of those values to be 'nil' if the target was not detected before combat began (i.e. stealth, no LoS befor ecombat, etc. ) |
| 17:24.25 | p3lim | ~seen snago |
| 17:24.26 | purl | snago <i=kvirc@81-231-141-234-no32.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 7h 22m 23s ago, saying: 'It makes me feel filthy and dirty'. |
| 17:25.42 | Greta | malreth seems like they are created on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 17:25.44 | Greta | event |
| 17:26.22 | alestane | You probably want to hook into the function that creates them, so that you can pass the resulting frame into your own table. |
| 17:26.47 | Greta | This sounds interesting, how do I hook one of proximos functions? |
| 17:27.03 | alestane | What's the name of the function? |
| 17:27.12 | Greta | function Proximo:MakeFrame() |
| 17:28.00 | alestane | Does it return the frame that it creates? |
| 17:28.18 | Greta | no return value |
| 17:28.28 | Greta | or wait |
| 17:28.40 | Greta | nope, no return |
| 17:28.54 | alestane | Does the function contain the phrase "return [blah] |
| 17:28.58 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:29.11 | Greta | no |
| 17:29.13 | alestane | No? |
| 17:29.27 | Greta | i can paste the function |
| 17:29.41 | alestane | Could make it a little harder...function body would indeed be useful. |
| 17:29.56 | Greta | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90947 |
| 17:30.22 | Greta | it creates the unit frames at line 99 i guess |
| 17:30.24 | Greta | after that |
| 17:30.58 | malreth | looking through Proximo's code |
| 17:31.25 | Greta | thanks |
| 17:31.30 | malreth | Proximo:MakeFrame() is called only when entering an arena zone |
| 17:31.40 | malreth | it constructs the entire Proximo parent frame along with the unit frames |
| 17:31.52 | Greta | ZoneCheck is called on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 17:32.11 | malreth | ZoneCheck is indeed called on PEW |
| 17:32.35 | malreth | but there's an additional check in ZoneCheck for in_arena_zone() |
| 17:33.00 | durcyn | PEW is a safeguard for (re)logging in an arena, look at the PLAYER_ZONE_CHANGED handler |
| 17:33.09 | durcyn | should actually be the same thing though, come to think of it |
| 17:33.09 | Greta | so the frames arent created before you enter arena for the first time? |
| 17:33.31 | malreth | good news is you can post-hook the MakeFrame function and construct your ProximoFrames table then |
| 17:33.42 | Greta | thats indeed good news |
| 17:33.53 | Greta | question is how i do that though, im quite inexperienced :) |
| 17:34.01 | alestane | Well, you could something like "do local MakeFrame = Proximo.MakeFrame; function Proximo:MakeFrame(...) MakeFrame(self, ...); table.insert(ProximoFrames, self); end" |
| 17:34.01 | malreth | no.... |
| 17:34.31 | alestane | Oh, does MakeFrame construct the entire apparatus? |
| 17:34.36 | malreth | alestane: it does |
| 17:35.40 | alestane | So what you really want to do is keep a reference to Proximo.frame.buttons, or build your own table that only contains the ones you want. |
| 17:36.41 | alestane | Anyway, my basic structure still stands, just you want to replace the table.insert call with whatever code you find useful to build your table (and add an extra 'end' after it that I left out). |
| 17:37.01 | Greta | Let's see if i can understand this code |
| 17:38.18 | Greta | What does "do" do? I thought it was a part of a while loop |
| 17:38.25 | malreth | iterating over Proximo.frame.buttons does seem like a better idea |
| 17:38.40 | malreth | Greta: do ... end denotes a block in Lua |
| 17:39.12 | alestane | do...end creates a scope, so that "local MakeFrame" won't have meaning anymore once the end passes (except to the function that is created inside the block). |
| 17:39.13 | Greta | I see |
| 17:39.49 | malreth | lua> local a = "Bill Clinton"; do local a = "Bush"; print(a); end; print(a) |
| 17:39.49 | lua_bot | malreth: Bush, Bill Clinton |
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| 17:40.12 | Greta | So I can create a variable outside do and add "Proximo.frame.buttons" to it inside the do-block? |
| 17:40.12 | malreth | see how that works? |
| 17:40.17 | Greta | yes i understand |
| 17:40.53 | Greta | What I dont understand is what I have to do inside the "function Proximo:MakeFrame(...)" function |
| 17:41.14 | alestane | You have to call the old function, and then examine what it created. |
| 17:41.48 | malreth | time to find lunch... have fun |
| 17:42.05 | Greta | Yes, MakeFrame(self, ...);, but how do I examine what it created? :) |
| 17:42.20 | Greta | Can I use the variables inside of that function? |
| 17:42.50 | alestane | It depends whether they're global variables, or local variables (including parameters). |
| 17:42.58 | Lunessa | ^^ |
| 17:43.05 | Greta | Hmm |
| 17:43.10 | Greta | Was "table.insert(ProximoFrames, self);" not correct? |
| 17:43.17 | Lunessa | Greyhoof doesn't like to pollute the global namespace. |
| 17:43.57 | Greta | I dont really understand what self is |
| 17:44.13 | alestane | In this case, the original MakeFrame is storing everything as fields of "self", which is the same "self" that you passed in, so once it's done, you can look through self.frame and self.frame.buttons to find what it created. |
| 17:44.40 | alestane | self is just a parameter, which in this case is the table stored as the global Proximo. |
| 17:44.40 | Greta | I see |
| 17:45.32 | alestane | When you declare a function as "function Proximo:MakeFrame(...)", that's the same as declaring it "function Proximo.MakeFrame(self, ...)" |
| 17:46.20 | Greta | Will this code run each time MakeFrame runs, or just once? |
| 17:46.30 | alestane | so within the bounds of function Proximo:MakeFrame(...) end, "self" is the first parameter passed to the function, even before the contents of "..." |
| 17:46.59 | alestane | It will run each time MakeFrame runs, unless you unhook it as part of its first run. |
| 17:47.07 | Greta | This is great |
| 17:47.11 | Greta | Thanks! :) |
| 17:47.22 | Greta | Oh, I have one more problem |
| 17:47.57 | Greta | Im using "TestFrame:SetAttribute("macrotext", "/click " .. ..." to click the proximo frame |
| 17:48.10 | Greta | How do I retrieve the name of the frames as a string? |
| 17:48.42 | alestane | ie "do local MakeFrame = Proximo.MakeFrame; function Proximo:MakeFrame(...) MakeFrame(...); BuildMyTable(self); self.MakeFrame = MakeFrame; end end" would put Proximo:MakeFrame() back to normal after it ran. |
| 17:48.57 | alestane | frame:GetName() |
| 17:49.12 | Greta | Thanks a lot! |
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| 17:49.48 | alestane | I'll be around. Just bear in mind that I'm leveling a brand-new hunter and it might take me a few to get back to you. |
| 17:50.05 | Greta | Hehe, alright :) |
| 17:53.44 | Greta | I get "... attempt to call method 'GetName' (a nil value)" now though |
| 17:54.34 | alestane | Hrm, what are you calling it on? |
| 17:55.02 | Greta | ProximoFrames[1]:GetName() |
| 17:55.18 | Fisker- | I > U |
| 17:55.32 | amro | ProximoFrames[1] is nil then. make sure it exists |
| 17:55.35 | alestane | From what did you assign ProximoFrames[1]? |
| 17:55.48 | Greta | table.insert(ProximoFrames, self.frame.buttons); |
| 17:56.03 | alestane | Ah. |
| 17:56.20 | alestane | You probably want to use ProximoFrames = self.frame.buttons. |
| 17:59.48 | alestane | Because with your code, ProximoFrames[1] will be equal to self.frame.buttons, which isn't a frame itself, but a table of frame values. |
| 18:00.30 | Greta | Oh |
| 18:00.37 | Greta | well I guess i need to get into skirmish to try it out |
| 18:01.03 | nevcairiel | wtf is broken with my client |
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| 18:01.08 | nevcairiel | i am not getting _any_ combatlog events |
| 18:04.05 | AckisWork | wtb animated gifs for wowinterface avatars :( |
| 18:04.27 | Greta | No error, but it doesnt work either, im just going to rewrite my code, its a big mess right now |
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| 18:04.35 | frop | Apoco? |
| 18:05.47 | frop | anyone using RBM? |
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| 18:12.29 | malreth | I wonder if the author of this article knows that the person described is fictional: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_von_Lohengramm |
| 18:15.58 | alestane | I think so, yes, since it describes him as a character. |
| 18:16.27 | KarlKFI | this the tag at the top "Please rewrite this article or section to explain the fiction more clearly and provide non-fictional perspective." |
| 18:16.32 | KarlKFI | thus* |
| 18:18.02 | Atriace | wow... it's the simple things that are beautiful... |
| 18:19.33 | malreth | i've been described as 'simple' |
| 18:19.37 | Atriace | Yesterday I was having issues with finding anchor coordinates to different frames and setting a new frame to use those coordinates... and then I realized I could just set the X corner of A to the Y corner of B... who cares what the coords are, right? |
| 18:19.37 | malreth | thus, i am beautiful |
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| 18:20.45 | Atriace | Then I was trying to insert a value into a table at the end of the table with a string based key using table.insert, but then I realized I could quite easily just do t.stringKey = value. |
| 18:20.52 | Lunessa | malreth: Put that crack pipe down and get back to work son. |
| 18:21.18 | kamdis | cog|work, Yes, you are talking to yourself! |
| 18:21.34 | Atriace | Short code is beautiful. |
| 18:22.05 | malreth | table.insert is only for indexed arrays |
| 18:22.18 | malreth | it makes no sense for dictionary keys and values |
| 18:22.21 | alestane | The only thing you need to remember in that regard is that, especially with an interpreted language like Lua, Code that appears short may actually be many more ops. |
| 18:22.43 | ckknight | alestane: keep in mind though that maintainability in code is dreadfully important |
| 18:23.52 | alestane | Absolutely, and more so as time goes by. |
| 18:23.57 | Lunessa | heh... How many of us have come back to something we wrote weeks/months ago and said, "WTF was the author thinking? F'ing retard!" |
| 18:24.14 | Atriace | lol |
| 18:24.16 | alestane | Then you realized, "Oh wait... |
| 18:24.22 | ckknight | yea, basically |
| 18:24.45 | ckknight | which is why sane structure as well as documentation is quite useful for maintainability |
| 18:24.59 | ckknight | because we come back to code and forget intricacies |
| 18:25.22 | Atriace | For those of you who wanted a desktop version, here's an altered copy for a fourth DIII wallpaper: http://spartanui.com/download/blaze.jpg |
| 18:25.38 | Lunessa | Once, I was maintaining something, and I'm wending through code and griping at poorly constructed logic... and then noticed I was the author. I hadn't looked at it in over 2 years. I made myself look in the source repository and clean up all my old code after that. |
| 18:27.00 | ckknight | cool, Atriace |
| 18:27.21 | Wikwocket | Who is that in the D3 pic? |
| 18:27.26 | Wikwocket | A sorceress? |
| 18:27.40 | Atriace | My guess is an early concept version of the girl from the trailer. |
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| 18:28.05 | amro | Lunessa: more than once for me |
| 18:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Nice, Best Buy is selling Ubuntu for $20. |
| 18:28.44 | Atriace | :o |
| 18:28.49 | malreth | Lunessa: once i wrote a mathematical algorithm that solved the legal moves for an Ishido board in linear time (or something like that.. it was years ago) |
| 18:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Note to self: never shop at best buy |
| 18:29.04 | malreth | I found the code half a year ago |
| 18:29.06 | kamdis | WTf is this crap? http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/aviation-security/2008/Jul/01/want-some-torture-with-your-peanuts/ |
| 18:29.13 | malreth | and hell if i could figure out how i wrote it |
| 18:29.16 | Dashkal | Heh, if I believed ubuntu was getting more than a buck from that I'd consider it |
| 18:29.29 | Dashkal | America protecting your freedom of course! |
| 18:30.11 | Lunessa | malreth: That used to happen to me too. I was like "WTF did I do again? .. coments Mother-F*er! Do you write them? |
| 18:30.54 | AckisWork | people with longer history in the modding community: has there been any requests for "on-demand" saving of variables? and if so, were they denied? |
| 18:31.07 | Josh_Borke | yes they were denied, yes there were requests |
| 18:31.19 | Josh_Borke | they used to exist, if i recall correctly |
| 18:31.26 | alestane | kamdis: It sounds like most Terms of Use: "It doesn't matter how abusive the concessions we're asking from you are, as long as you have to agree to them in order to use a desired service." |
| 18:31.36 | AckisWork | Josh_Borke: thanks |
| 18:31.48 | kd3 | rofl... fark: [Interesting] Health officials in Colorado blame a country music festival for a spike in pregnancies |
| 18:31.54 | Lunessa | Things like that lead to armed revolution kamdis |
| 18:32.07 | kamdis | I think they will find, if they actually ever implement that (which I doubt they will be able to), that any remaining airlines will have serious financial issues. |
| 18:32.16 | kamdis | One can hope, Lunessa. |
| 18:32.24 | malreth | foo... i forgot to copy the code from the CD-R to my desktop hard drive. FAIL ME |
| 18:32.56 | Dashkal | kamdis: you say that like they care if you can't easily move about the country |
| 18:33.11 | kamdis | they care about big business, of which airlines are part |
| 18:33.44 | kamdis | ~fail malreth |
| 18:33.45 | purl | malreth: FAIL! |
| 18:34.01 | Lunessa | AckisWork: They were denied with very good reason. Not the least of which is "real-time" access to data is verboten. |
| 18:34.35 | alestane | I recall one thing a friend of mine said about TSA. He doesn't mind that they take measures to keep the plane he's on from being hijacked, crashed, or exploded; but the fact that most of the measures they take have disproportionately small impacts on his actual security and safety does both him. |
| 18:34.40 | alestane | bother* him. |
| 18:35.06 | kamdis | Exactly, alestane. |
| 18:35.27 | kamdis | It's a guise. It's the appearance of safety that actually does not exist. |
| 18:35.29 | Dashkal | They (no doubt quite a few of them with good intentions) seem to believe that controlling the population will make it 'safer' |
| 18:35.49 | alestane | I've watched people going through TSA checkpoints and had thoughts I didn't dare voice about how easy it would be to get something past the mokoks. |
| 18:35.58 | Lunessa | Taking my shoes off and being denied liquids aren't making me safer when they still let high-school drop-outs wander about the carge area. |
| 18:36.02 | durcyn | Security Theater is fun to watch though |
| 18:36.02 | Dashkal | "Walk calmly" |
| 18:36.05 | Dashkal | all done |
| 18:36.07 | alestane | er, mooks* |
| 18:36.38 | kamdis | It makes me not want to live here anymore. But where else would I go? :| |
| 18:36.54 | malreth | Indonesia |
| 18:36.57 | Atriace | Switzerland? |
| 18:37.02 | alestane | I vote for Japan, although of course it has its own problems. |
| 18:37.18 | kamdis | What I need is my own damn island nation. |
| 18:37.26 | Dashkal | Once we get rid of Harper you could come north |
| 18:37.26 | kamdis | Or a very large compound in Vermont or something. |
| 18:37.54 | Atriace | Singapore is a man-made island. Quite spotless too. |
| 18:38.01 | alestane | Then you have to contract your own alliances, trade agreements, legal systems, taxes, etc. |
| 18:38.03 | Shirik | I really liked Japan while I was there |
| 18:38.50 | kamdis | alestane: quite a bit more work than I'd like. |
| 18:38.56 | alestane | Well, the main reason why, if I were going to emigrate, I'd head for Japan, is that it's one of few foreign nations where I can speak the language. |
| 18:40.01 | ckknight | if I have to leave the USA for some reason, it'll be to either Canada or New Zealand |
| 18:40.14 | alestane | It's reasonably comfortable and not too abusive of civil liberties. My biggest concern is that I believe it could actually degenerate back into a fiercely nationalistic monarchy with only a little prompting. |
| 18:40.14 | amro | UAE seems nice |
| 18:40.17 | Dashkal | ckknight: with the conservatives in charge here, NZ is looking good to me too |
| 18:40.20 | amro | they don't work and they're swimming in cash |
| 18:40.42 | ckknight | Dashkal: I'm a Libertarian Republican, btw, I think that sorta qualifies me as conservative |
| 18:40.57 | durcyn | what the hell is a libertarian republican |
| 18:41.04 | kamdis | <-- registered Libertarian |
| 18:41.06 | Dashkal | ckknight: Harper has his head stuffed so far up Bush's ass that if he ever gets a majority we'll be no better |
| 18:41.06 | durcyn | nevermind, i don't want to know |
| 18:41.12 | alestane | Most of the people in charge right now don't actually qualify as conservative. |
| 18:41.26 | kamdis | so true, alestane |
| 18:41.31 | ckknight | durcyn: a libertarian who votes Republican and pushes libertarian agendas |
| 18:41.34 | Dashkal | The conservative party of Canada is Neo-Conservative (far right-wing) |
| 18:41.40 | ckknight | I consider Bush a liberal, btw |
| 18:41.46 | ckknight | and I dislike him because of it |
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| 18:41.54 | Dashkal | Bush? Liberal? |
| 18:42.11 | ckknight | just because you call yourself a conservative doesn't make you one |
| 18:42.11 | alestane | He's an activist spender. |
| 18:42.15 | Atriace | I think all people fall into either liberal or conservative, regardless of party affiliation. |
| 18:42.19 | Dashkal | Strict control of the populace != liberal |
| 18:42.31 | durcyn | Dashkal: the soviets have a word for it... fascisti |
| 18:42.41 | ckknight | especially if you spend shitloads of cash, expand national education plans (fuck you, No Child Left Behind), and go to other extremes |
| 18:42.43 | alestane | The only regard in which he is conservative is his social and religious morés. |
| 18:42.51 | kamdis | indeed |
| 18:42.53 | ckknight | durcyn: fascists are merely militant liberals |
| 18:43.01 | durcyn | exactly |
| 18:43.08 | Dashkal | Libs (real liberals) are left of center, less govt involvement |
| 18:43.15 | ckknight | it's the militarism that's bad |
| 18:43.23 | ckknight | Dashkal: we're actually near the bottom |
| 18:43.24 | malreth | so, given that, we can say that Bush even fails at being Liberal? |
| 18:43.38 | kamdis | ;-) |
| 18:43.39 | Dashkal | If he's liberal, he fails pretty epicly at it |
| 18:43.42 | ckknight | malreth: no, he excels at it, he just did it a different route |
| 18:43.53 | Dashkal | <--- Liberal |
| 18:44.17 | Dashkal | The ideal, not the tainted version that the Canadian Liberal party follows |
| 18:44.21 | alestane | I wouldn't call him liberal. But he's an activist president who favors interventionist government, which pretty much violates the traditional "conservative" pattern. |
| 18:44.30 | ckknight | yea |
| 18:44.39 | ckknight | I'm anti-interventionist |
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| 18:44.48 | ckknight | leave us all alone and let's trade |
| 18:44.50 | Dashkal | We're agreed there |
| 18:45.07 | ckknight | Dashkal: what should happen with Darfur? |
| 18:45.20 | Dashkal | Lemme read up on that name and I'll get back to you |
| 18:45.24 | ckknight | k |
| 18:45.32 | ckknight | it's a mass-genocide in Africa that's taking place |
| 18:45.33 | malreth | oh, this'll be good |
| 18:45.43 | ckknight | malreth: I'm sure |
| 18:45.53 | Dashkal | Cannot comment, I don't know enough (and I'm sure as hell not trusting wikipedia) |
| 18:46.02 | ckknight | okay then |
| 18:46.35 | ckknight | many prominent liberals (Sean Penn, a few others) push for interventionism there, which is ironic in its own way |
| 18:46.36 | malreth | besides, Darfur is a UN issue. certainly the US isn't responsible for fixing it |
| 18:46.43 | kamdis | the wiki is actually pretty good |
| 18:47.01 | ckknight | malreth: I'm of the opinion that the UN can suck my balls |
| 18:47.02 | ckknight | but that's just me |
| 18:47.13 | Dashkal | kamdis: It's pretty prone to political slanted views. I like my news and information unbiased |
| 18:47.15 | amro | ckknight++ |
| 18:47.20 | malreth | ckknight: i would say that humanism trumps liberal/conservative views entirely |
| 18:47.24 | kamdis | it's not just you. i'd think the same if i actually had balls :P |
| 18:47.38 | Dashkal | the UN is ineffective |
| 18:47.40 | kamdis | well, the factual background is fairly accurate |
| 18:47.47 | ckknight | an inefficient bureaucracy that are a bunch of wusses pushing their own agendas on other people, if you ask me |
| 18:47.49 | malreth | the genocide should have been stopped because it's fucking genocid |
| 18:47.53 | malreth | e |
| 18:48.05 | Dashkal | Won't argue with that |
| 18:48.06 | kamdis | the UN has no power to do anything, that's why they are ineffectual. whether they should have any power is another matter. |
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| 18:48.21 | malreth | well, it's what we've got |
| 18:48.44 | Dashkal | "well, it's what we've got" -> nothing. an organization that has no actual power to do anything is nothing |
| 18:48.55 | ckknight | malreth: I disagree, it all comes down to politics eventually, and we can't be humanitarians if we have nothing to give or no will to give |
| 18:49.02 | kamdis | very similar to "airport security" imo |
| 18:49.09 | ckknight | lousy airports |
| 18:49.17 | kamdis | <3 ckknight |
| 18:49.21 | ckknight | they took away my Red bull |
| 18:49.22 | ckknight | asses. |
| 18:49.30 | alestane | The UN's purpose as I understand it is to serve as a vehicle for promoting cooperation and common cause. It shouldn't have much actual authority. It's an auditor and a negotiator, or should be. |
| 18:49.35 | Lunessa | UN - An organization with no power, no real authority where the small try to tell the mighty to give them more money and saty out of their squabbles. |
| 18:49.36 | ckknight | I was gonna drink that |
| 18:49.43 | durcyn | this red bull, did it have a bunch of curly wires and a shiny clock attached to it? |
| 18:49.52 | kamdis | hahaha |
| 18:49.52 | ckknight | durcyn: no, it's just over 8 oz |
| 18:50.01 | durcyn | oh. horseshit. |
| 18:50.06 | kamdis | i thought it was 3 oz |
| 18:50.07 | ckknight | err, 3 oz |
| 18:50.10 | ckknight | it is 8 oz |
| 18:50.11 | Esamynn | durcyn: I'm sure it did! ;) |
| 18:50.14 | kamdis | aye |
| 18:51.43 | ckknight | my fundamental beliefs come down to creating as much liberty for as many people as possible. My main gripe with the current administration is that they've been eating away at our liberties more than anything. |
| 18:51.59 | ckknight | Granted, I personally don't believe that the Democrats would've been much better, to be honest |
| 18:52.09 | ckknight | both parties have major issues |
| 18:52.18 | Dashkal | No argument there |
| 18:52.23 | ckknight | and neither represent my views fully |
| 18:52.30 | Lunessa | More, not less freedom and liberty. Less, not more government involvement in my life. Fewer, clearer laws please. Oh, and a gun in everyone's hands. |
| 18:52.35 | durcyn | which reminds me, bumper sticker of the day: Bush is Listening. Use big words. |
| 18:52.44 | Dashkal | durcyn: win |
| 18:53.01 | durcyn | political protest on the ass end of a minivan, whoda thunk it. |
| 18:53.16 | ckknight | Lunessa: I just wish we could get back to a time when the government feared and respected the people instead of treated us like sheep |
| 18:53.18 | Lunessa | Dissent is patriotic. |
| 18:53.23 | alestane | Amen! |
| 18:53.27 | Lunessa | ckknight: Own firearms. |
| 18:53.31 | ckknight | yep. |
| 18:53.35 | ckknight | I currently don't |
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| 18:53.41 | ckknight | but I love the fact that I can |
| 18:53.49 | ckknight | if my right to own a gun was ever in danger, I'd stock up |
| 18:53.55 | Lunessa | Mao was right when he said "Political power springs from the barrel of a gun." |
| 18:54.00 | ckknight | quite true |
| 18:54.18 | ckknight | anyone watch Penn & Teller: Bullshit? |
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| 18:54.22 | Lunessa | Too bad he used that logic to remove guns and liberty from 1 billion of his country-men. |
| 18:54.27 | sacarasc | i do, ckknight |
| 18:54.34 | kamdis | I have one sticker on my car (taped inside the window). "Dissent is not un-American!" |
| 18:54.44 | ckknight | I liked the last episode about NASA, especially how it's so inefficient compared to private space enterprise |
| 18:55.02 | durcyn | i rather enjoyed the episodes with boobs in them, ckknight. |
| 18:55.11 | ckknight | yes, the boobs add extra points |
| 18:55.19 | ckknight | also, kazoos |
| 18:55.31 | Dashkal | Disclaimer: from a liberal slant: http://www.markfiore.com/spies_who_love_you_0 |
| 18:55.33 | Dashkal | amusing though |
| 18:55.38 | ckknight | Dashkal: saw it |
| 18:55.39 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: ping |
| 18:55.41 | ckknight | :-P |
| 18:55.46 | Esamynn | don't mind me, I'm just sitting here trying to decide whether or not to play " |
| 18:55.47 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz pong |
| 18:55.51 | Esamynn | "Devil's Advocate" |
| 18:55.52 | alestane | I will countenance government involvement provided that it has a clear purpose, preferably one that clearly stems from the constitution, and is handled with some measure of efficiency. There are times when having someone coordinate the available information and make recommendations makes it easier to accomplish something. |
| 18:56.03 | ckknight | I think the warrantless wiretaps are a complete infringement on my liberties, and I hate it |
| 18:56.17 | ckknight | I'm all for warranted wiretaps, don't get me wrong, but it's the lack of warrants that piss me off |
| 18:56.26 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: ArenaHistorian question: there's a setting "enable maximum records"... if I don't enable it, will there simply not be a limit, or will the data this affects simply not be recorded or stored? |
| 18:56.28 | alestane | Well, funny thing. Isn't it, or wasn't it, also completely illegal? |
| 18:56.31 | Dashkal | with judicial oversight is fine |
| 18:56.44 | Dashkal | but the executive branch seems to think it should have absolutely authority over the other two |
| 18:56.57 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz: If you don't enable it, it won't use the number you entered below. |
| 18:57.01 | Dashkal | alestane: as it stands, illegal. hence the retroactive immunity |
| 18:57.05 | Shadowed | Meaning, data won't be pruned using that setting |
| 18:57.38 | Gnarfoz | ok, so if not enabled, it'll keep all of it. the same applies for the "weeks" settings, I take it |
| 18:58.09 | Shadowed | Correct |
| 18:58.15 | alestane | The executive branch seems to have forgotten that the oath it took was not to protect the American populace, but to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America." |
| 18:58.42 | durcyn | it's our own damn fault for turning the office of the president into a celebrity post |
| 18:58.45 | malreth | ~seen Intangir |
| 18:58.50 | purl | intangir <i=Intangir@c-98-197-217-152.hsd1.tx.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 35d 23h 24m 3s ago, saying: 'and use a branch but i dont know how on svn'. |
| 18:58.50 | Esamynn | what, you don't feel all warm and fuzy because you are being "protected" by big brother? |
| 18:58.52 | amro | they're rather well aware of it, they just don't care |
| 18:59.20 | Dashkal | I do! A cute lil bear told me so! |
| 18:59.22 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: thanks for the info. very useful addon :) |
| 18:59.30 | kamdis | durcyn: You are exactly right. Television was the worst thing to ever happen to politics. |
| 18:59.51 | kamdis | Now it's a popularity contest. "I'd like to have a beer with him, so I'm voting for him" |
| 19:00.31 | kamdis | that, and the fact that Americans in general tend to think of smart people as elitist, means our elected officials are getting stupider. |
| 19:00.32 | alestane | I contend that television is not actually responsible for that, but rather a failure of education. |
| 19:00.47 | Esamynn | it's also a problem of, anyone who has done ANYTHING will have "something" uncovered, and picked apart, until they are vilified for it to the point that they are unelectable |
| 19:00.52 | Lunessa | A candidate that promised more beer would win in a landslide. Especially if it was /good/ beer. |
| 19:00.59 | kamdis | oh and the fact that people now govern based on polls of the horribly uniformed public. |
| 19:01.15 | Esamynn | the only people who get elected as President these days are those who have done absolutely nothing of significance |
| 19:01.31 | alestane | Government for reelection, rather than government for accomplishment. |
| 19:01.33 | kamdis | Esamynn, yes and it's so sad |
| 19:02.02 | alestane | Esamynn: Except that Clinton probably would have been re-elected if he could have run again. |
| 19:02.10 | Esamynn | well, why shouldn't they govern by the pools, aren't they supposed to be subject to the "will of the people" ? |
| 19:02.15 | Esamynn | polls* |
| 19:02.46 | amro | sometimes the people have no idea what they're talking about |
| 19:02.53 | Lunessa | Democracy is the worst form of government, except for everything else we've tried. |
| 19:03.01 | durcyn | because the whole point of a representative government is to avoid mob rule |
| 19:03.01 | amro | it's why they elect politicians who supposedly do know the best course of action |
| 19:03.21 | ckknight | yea, pure democracy is mobocracy |
| 19:03.24 | alestane | The majority of the populace are not well-informed about the issues, and poll based on their impression of whether or not a decision will benefit them personally. |
| 19:03.26 | ckknight | which has quite a few bad things about it |
| 19:03.31 | sioraiocht | don't ou peple have add-ons to write? |
| 19:03.37 | ckknight | but at least the rule of the majority is more representative than the rule of the minority |
| 19:03.42 | durcyn | nah, mob rule is great. until you're not part of the mob. |
| 19:04.04 | Esamynn | ~gag sioraiocht |
| 19:04.04 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of sioraiocht and, as an additional precaution, sews sioraiocht's mouth shut permanently... |
| 19:04.10 | Lunessa | We're writing AddOn "Decision 08 Presidential Targeting" |
| 19:04.39 | ckknight | if anyone hasn't heard of or taken the political compass test, here it is: http://politicalcompass.org/ |
| 19:04.43 | Esamynn | I perfer the Daily Show's name for it "Indecision 08" :P |
| 19:04.44 | ckknight | I'd like to know what people fall at |
| 19:04.52 | ckknight | :-) |
| 19:04.59 | sioraiocht | 'on 'oo 'a 'aa-on -oo '-righ? |
| 19:05.41 | amro | learn telepathy |
| 19:05.59 | Lunessa | ckknight: Guess. :P |
| 19:06.07 | ckknight | Lunessa: bottom-right? |
| 19:06.11 | ckknight | that's where I fall |
| 19:06.14 | ckknight | :-P |
| 19:06.36 | Lunessa | Not quite. Upper portion of the quadrant. |
| 19:06.54 | ckknight | aw |
| 19:06.55 | ckknight | okay then |
| 19:07.08 | ckknight | upper-right? |
| 19:07.15 | Esamynn | one of the problems with having so many guns among the populace in the US, is that you get incidents like the high school shootings, question is, is that cost worth it? |
| 19:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: don't need a gun to kill. |
| 19:07.42 | ckknight | Esamynn: yea, I'd rather have my liberty, I consider it more valuable than the lives of a few people |
| 19:07.42 | amro | instead of banning guns, steps should be taken to prevent school shootings |
| 19:08.06 | Esamynn | amro: like what? metal detectors in every school? |
| 19:08.09 | Lunessa | More freedoms, more personal responsibility, less government, more guns for the people, freedom to succeed/fail on my own, and freedom to practice any faith I want so long as I don't limit the freedom of others to do the same. |
| 19:08.15 | Shirik | Esamynn: Crack is illegal in the US. Does that prevent high school students from getting it? |
| 19:08.16 | Esamynn | strip searches required for entry? |
| 19:08.17 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, the us gov. tried to make having guns illigal in or around schools. it was ruled an unconstitutional law and killed |
| 19:08.21 | alestane | Even if guns make school shootings possible, they don't cause them. |
| 19:08.34 | ckknight | Lunessa: how can you be less government and in the upper half? |
| 19:08.35 | Lunessa | Esamynn: The answer is more guns, not less. *nod* |
| 19:08.40 | Esamynn | aye, but they DO make them more deadly |
| 19:08.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Even if you remove guns from the picture, it just goes from guns to other things. |
| 19:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That's debatable at best, Esamynn. Guns are just the most readily accessible in most cases. |
| 19:09.19 | amro | Esamynn: not what i meant |
| 19:09.20 | Lunessa | ckknight: I still believe in the role of government in a number of functions. |
| 19:09.29 | amro | things like that don't solve the underlying problems |
| 19:09.30 | Esamynn | amro: so say what you mean :P |
| 19:09.30 | ckknight | Lunessa: example? I'm quite a minarchist |
| 19:09.33 | Dashkal | Pour actual real cash into education? |
| 19:09.53 | amro | Esamynn: steps should be taken to prevent students from wanting to shoot each other :) |
| 19:09.58 | Dashkal | "The population is uninformed/stupid/etc" is a (somewhat) solvable problem |
| 19:10.30 | Dashkal | No child left behind is a absolute joke. People are not the same, those who excel need to be able to |
| 19:10.44 | Esamynn | "Never mistake ignorance for stupidity. Ignorance is curable; stupidity is not." - Unknown |
| 19:10.50 | ckknight | No child gets ahead, Dashkal |
| 19:10.54 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 19:10.56 | Dashkal | exactly |
| 19:10.56 | Lunessa | National Defense, inter-state infrastructure, judicial oversight to protect the constitution, etc. |
| 19:11.01 | Esamynn | but what about when the ignorant refuse to be educated? |
| 19:11.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: white suits and jackets. |
| 19:11.21 | sioraiocht | ha, i'm smack dab in the middle of the left/libertarian quadrant |
| 19:11.24 | Dashkal | Esamynn: if the ignorant chose for /themselves/, fine. Problem is its often daddy keeping the kids dumb |
| 19:11.29 | Esamynn | and what gives you the right to decide what is good for other people? |
| 19:11.36 | Dashkal | And telling the difference is a whole other issue |
| 19:11.39 | Esamynn | Dashkal: ah ha! |
| 19:11.51 | Lunessa | ckknight: I'm not actually opposed to reasonable/senisble taxation either. |
| 19:11.57 | durcyn | Esamynn: then i'm all for handing them a corn-cob pipe and sending them on their way. |
| 19:12.17 | Esamynn | should such people still be allowed guns? |
| 19:12.39 | Esamynn | do we restrict the rights of those who are deemed "stupid" or "ignorant" |
| 19:12.41 | malreth | Esamynn: only if they're white and go to church |
| 19:12.49 | Esamynn | and if so, who decides who is stupid and/or ignorant? |
| 19:12.55 | Dashkal | damnit, where my "irelevant" option? |
| 19:12.58 | malreth | those are the only people who should be allowed guns |
| 19:13.07 | Esamynn | ~lart malreth |
| 19:13.07 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up malreth |
| 19:13.22 | Dashkal | Esamynn: ignorant for that purpose I'd define as those who chose to remain ignorant given the opportunity to change that |
| 19:13.46 | ckknight | btw, my score is 9.00, -3.90 |
| 19:13.52 | ckknight | on the political compass |
| 19:13.57 | Dashkal | There's ignorant because you've never had a chance to learn, and there's ignorant cause you close your eyes, plug your ears, and go la la la la la |
| 19:14.04 | sioraiocht | wow, you are conservative |
| 19:14.05 | amro | Esamynn: it's impossible to reach perfection, but we should try. there will always be idiots who cause trouble |
| 19:14.06 | Esamynn | who about those who reject evolution because of religious beliefs |
| 19:14.09 | Esamynn | are they ignorant? |
| 19:14.10 | Esamynn | or stupid? |
| 19:14.25 | ckknight | sioraiocht: yea, I am |
| 19:14.26 | Dashkal | Neither |
| 19:14.29 | Dashkal | They disagree |
| 19:14.48 | sioraiocht | well then I'm glad our class system keeps you the fuck out of politics =p |
| 19:14.49 | ckknight | sioraiocht: I find (for me at least), that conservatism is the best way of ensuring liberty for the most people possible |
| 19:14.58 | ckknight | class system? |
| 19:15.16 | Dashkal | As likely as evolution is, and as much as we can see it working now, unless you have a time machine you don't know for sure. (For the record, I believe that evolution is mostly right, but something seems off...) |
| 19:15.16 | sioraiocht | yeah, you could run for office if you had enough money, heh |
| 19:15.31 | alestane | Question: What view does one espouse by disagreeing with the phrase, "mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers." |
| 19:15.48 | ckknight | sioraiocht: who says I don't have money? I'm making a decent wage and am still pretty young |
| 19:15.56 | ckknight | sioraiocht: I probably will one day run for office in some form or another |
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| 19:16.06 | Esamynn | so, how do you define "ignorance" then, ie, how do you decide what is willful ignorance, and what is a difference of opinion |
| 19:16.10 | Esamynn | that's a pretty fine line |
| 19:16.14 | Esamynn | and rather fluid |
| 19:16.28 | alestane | Esamynn: They are dogmatic rather than scientific. Neither intellect nor knowledge is required. |
| 19:16.31 | Dashkal | alestane: I'd find agreeing with the statement to be showing a gender bias, so disaggreement is to espouse gender-blindness |
| 19:16.47 | ckknight | alestane: it's basically whether women should have the right to do what they want or whether it'd be better for them to be homemakers |
| 19:16.48 | Dashkal | Esamynn: Use a less contraversial topic and I can give an argument |
| 19:16.53 | sioraiocht | alestane: you're not supposed to outthink the tes ;) |
| 19:17.03 | Esamynn | Dashkal: yah, that's just the first one that came to mind |
| 19:17.12 | Esamynn | I don't have another good example handy though |
| 19:17.19 | alestane | Well, I'm just noticing that there are two parts to the sentence, and it's not clear with which part one disagrees. |
| 19:17.20 | Esamynn | but I'd be happy to use one |
| 19:17.38 | sioraiocht | alestane: that's because the test is actually rubbish, like most things on the internet =p |
| 19:17.39 | Dashkal | I ran across a person I'd call ignorance. The topic was traetments for the blind. I was talking about something I read in discovery where they put an electrode mesh on the person's tongue as a replacement. This guy was immediately "No, that's not possible". That's what I'd call willgully ignorant |
| 19:18.02 | alestane | You could just as easily be disagreeing with the statement that women should be allowed to have careers. |
| 19:18.10 | alestane | mothers, rather., |
| 19:18.10 | ckknight | Dashkal: everything's possible with either God or science (mutually exclusive, and I'm sticking with science) |
| 19:18.21 | Dashkal | I do not see them as mutually exclusive |
| 19:18.24 | ckknight | hehe |
| 19:18.26 | Dashkal | This is why I remain agnostic |
| 19:18.33 | ckknight | I was making a joke |
| 19:18.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Entirely off topic: if you have a trinket that has a 50% proc chance on crit, and you have a 30% crit chance, the proc rate over time is 15%, yes? |
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| 19:19.08 | Dashkal | The bible was written by people who didn't know the sun from a really bright torch... Expecting them to actually understand the concept of teraforming is a bit much |
| 19:19.11 | Shirik | all other things being equal, yes ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:19.14 | Esamynn | ScytheBlade1: oh hell no, that would be WAAAY too simple :P |
| 19:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: haha, then expand on that? |
| 19:19.42 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: does the trinket cause your political stance to change any? if not, you're not welcome in this convo |
| 19:19.46 | ckknight | :-P |
| 19:19.47 | ckknight | jk |
| 19:19.48 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:19.52 | Esamynn | I don't know the details, I'm just being cynical, but there are things like PPM systems and proc CDs |
| 19:19.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: win |
| 19:20.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Esamynn: well this is a proc CD, I'm trying to normalize it into a PPM. |
| 19:20.12 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32488 |
| 19:20.17 | amro | ckknight: I strongly disagree. science and God aren't exclusive |
| 19:20.18 | Shirik | As a side note from Esamynn's statement, the PPM issue is why I said "all other things being equal" |
| 19:20.28 | ckknight | amro: I was making a joke |
| 19:20.38 | Esamynn | I'm not going to get into the theory crafting, I was just being overly cynical |
| 19:20.50 | amro | ckknight: oh sorry, didn't read full backlog :) |
| 19:20.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got just about a 30% crit rate even, raid buffed. 50% of 30% is 15%, which yields 3 procs per minute with fireball spam. Which... equals a whopping seven haste over one minute. |
| 19:20.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Seven. |
| 19:21.03 | Esamynn | I'd rather sit here and continue to poke this discussion :) |
| 19:21.08 | ckknight | amro: personally, I have my own religious beliefs which don't fit a Judeo-Christian god |
| 19:21.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just really hoping that someone sees a flaw in my math, because seven haste rating for an exalted BT level trinket is nothing short of incredibly disappointing |
| 19:22.04 | Esamynn | Dashkal: ok, so back to your example of willfully ignorant, how do you extend that to a well defined definition, beyond the anecdote? |
| 19:23.05 | Dashkal | Esamynn: Someone who resorts to pure dogmatic thinking to the exclusion of logic/reason. |
| 19:23.22 | Dashkal | This does include some religious people, but not all. There are people who take God as a given and apply logic |
| 19:23.54 | amro | ScytheBlade1: try to reword it in political terms :) |
| 19:24.16 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: I'd say yes, unless there's a hidden cooldown which would make it pretty messy |
| 19:24.22 | Esamynn | so then what do we do with such people |
| 19:24.25 | ScytheBlade1 | No hidden cooldown |
| 19:24.36 | Esamynn | lock them up? segregate the? enslave them? |
| 19:24.36 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: What's your crit rate in crits per minute? |
| 19:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Spamming AE on AoE packs gives people pretty close to 100% uptime |
| 19:24.46 | Dashkal | Esamynn: Now there's the rub |
| 19:24.47 | Esamynn | force education on them? |
| 19:25.01 | Esamynn | restrict their rights? |
| 19:25.12 | Esamynn | kill them off as useless? |
| 19:25.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: well, 30% crit rate pretty much even. 3 second cast. 60/3 = 20 casts/minute, 20*.3 = 6 crits per minute |
| 19:25.17 | Dashkal | I don't have that answer, and I wish I did |
| 19:25.29 | amro | Esamynn: you just leave them alone unless they do something wrong |
| 19:25.36 | Esamynn | at which point? |
| 19:25.38 | Dashkal | that does sound like 15% proc per cast, then |
| 19:25.57 | Dashkal | amro: define "wrong" and define the opposite of "leave them alone" |
| 19:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: 15% chance over 20 casts is three casts. 145 haste * 3 procs = 435, /60 = 7.25 haste/minute =[ |
| 19:26.39 | amro | Dashkal: my definition of wrong would be subjective, but there are already laws people generally agree on for what is "wrong" |
| 19:26.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: these numbers are just so depressingly bad I'm hoping someone can prove me wrong. |
| 19:26.55 | amro | Dashkal: the opposite of leaving them alone is to punish them according to said laws |
| 19:26.59 | ckknight | good quote: "Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war" |
| 19:27.33 | Esamynn | also define "leave them alone" |
| 19:27.42 | Dashkal | amro: That they should be held to the same standard of law as anybody else I consider a given. (What that standard of law should be I'm not discussing in this statement) |
| 19:28.01 | Esamynn | we've already determined these people are potential dangers to us, should we not act on that potential danger? |
| 19:28.10 | Dashkal | no |
| 19:28.15 | Esamynn | why not? |
| 19:28.16 | amro | Esamynn: what gives us the moral authority to do that? |
| 19:28.16 | Dashkal | "potential danger" != "actual danger" |
| 19:28.31 | Dashkal | Do keep in mind these people are still human beings |
| 19:28.56 | Esamynn | don't get me wrong, I'm not expressing a particular view here |
| 19:29.08 | amro | also remember that even those who are not "ignorant" as discussed above can be very dangerous |
| 19:29.12 | Esamynn | I'm asking questions, trying to spur the conversation |
| 19:29.15 | Dashkal | I'm not taking anything said as anything other than provoking conversation |
| 19:29.24 | Esamynn | k, just checking :) |
| 19:29.49 | kd3 | forums go splat for anyone else? |
| 19:29.50 | Dashkal | stating that "ignorant" necessarily means "dangerous" is very dangerous in and of itself. |
| 19:29.58 | Dashkal | "dangerous" needs to be defined in very clear terms |
| 19:30.11 | Esamynn | so we have the moral authority to step in when someone is actively endagering us, or those around us? correct? |
| 19:30.11 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: looks like it |
| 19:30.17 | kd3 | bah |
| 19:30.19 | Dashkal | This I would agree with |
| 19:30.29 | Dashkal | assuming a clear definition of "actively endangering" |
| 19:30.36 | amro | Esamynn: yes, as long as they are reasonably endangering |
| 19:30.38 | Esamynn | does that right extend to policing the world? |
| 19:30.59 | Dashkal | that gets murky again |
| 19:31.01 | ckknight | gray territory is always confusing |
| 19:31.24 | Esamynn | say Darfur, where people are being killed, who determines where the moral authority lies |
| 19:31.45 | kd3 | whee, 503 service unavailable |
| 19:31.56 | amro | the thing about policing your own population is that said population agrees, to a certain extent, to being held to your laws (or they would dissent) |
| 19:32.00 | ckknight | I'm of the opinion that, sadly, although it's a fucked up situation over there, we have no real authority to "fix" it |
| 19:32.00 | Lunessa | kd3 - they fall down go boom |
| 19:32.05 | amro | when you cross borders, everything changes |
| 19:32.18 | Esamynn | do we have the right to come in from outside, and dictate on high, that they stop, given the potential that there could be factors we are completely unaware of? |
| 19:32.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo |
| 19:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Remote sign out and IP tracking for gmail! |
| 19:32.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/remote-sign-out-and-info-to-help-you.html |
| 19:33.02 | ckknight | and sadly, the same could be said of the appeasement of Hitler taking Czechoslovakia |
| 19:33.11 | ckknight | it's hard to say, always |
| 19:34.03 | Esamynn | also, how do you balance the "greater good" with the current suffering |
| 19:34.42 | Dashkal | There are times where you can in fact head in. Canada assisting the USA in Afganastan, for example |
| 19:34.46 | ckknight | really, the only way I see to mitigate such issues is to push for global economic prosperity |
| 19:34.48 | Dashkal | We are allied, and you were attacked |
| 19:34.57 | Dashkal | Iraq I am very very glad Canada stayed out of |
| 19:35.09 | Esamynn | lets say, for example, that the US went into Iraq purely to free the repressed people there, just believe it for the moment :P |
| 19:35.12 | amro | canada's actually doing a nice job in afghanistan |
| 19:35.22 | Dashkal | amro: From what I hear, yes |
| 19:35.23 | ckknight | Esamynn: yay, we're liberators! |
| 19:35.24 | ckknight | :-P |
| 19:35.38 | Esamynn | was "freeing" those people worth the potential destabilization of the ENTIRE region? |
| 19:35.49 | Esamynn | and the civil war that is now taking place? |
| 19:35.50 | Dashkal | Esamynn: for that reason, if it were actually for that reason, maybe. But it would have to be done in response to a _real_ threat, not this WMD bullshit |
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| 19:36.19 | Esamynn | yes, I am very glad we (Canada) didn't goto Iraq |
| 19:36.40 | Esamynn | though I fear that if the current government had been in power at the time, we would have gone |
| 19:36.53 | Dashkal | It's the one thing Jean Cretien did right... |
| 19:36.53 | amro | Esamynn: I'm of the opinion that stabilization would have been achieved had it been sought. I have reason to believe the current situation is "working as intended" (tm) but that's another topic |
| 19:37.10 | ckknight | Esamynn: issue I see is that America took the wrong approach overall. Also, seeing as it is a more religious nation than say, Vietnam, there are significant social issues with trying to revamp such a nation |
| 19:37.10 | Esamynn | ooo |
| 19:37.15 | Esamynn | that's dark amro |
| 19:37.21 | Dashkal | There is an alternative to stepping in. Not without problems of its own. Allow those willing to to relocate away from the repressive regieme |
| 19:37.39 | Esamynn | how far do you go there though? |
| 19:37.48 | Dashkal | How much space do you actually have? |
| 19:37.58 | Esamynn | do you infringe on the nation's sovereignty in order to help? |
| 19:38.25 | Dashkal | In the context I proposed, yes. It is non-violent (it's removal of people who /want/ to leave, no aggression) |
| 19:38.45 | Esamynn | Dashkal: heh, we can probably count those "right things" on one hand :P |
| 19:39.00 | Dashkal | Oh probably, but I'll take em where I can :p |
| 19:39.06 | Esamynn | aye |
| 19:39.18 | Dashkal | Harper hasn't been 100% bad either |
| 19:39.22 | Esamynn | no he hasn't |
| 19:39.24 | Dashkal | Age of consent raised to 16, for example |
| 19:39.29 | Esamynn | thank god |
| 19:39.46 | amro | what, /raised/ to 16? what was it before? |
| 19:39.50 | Esamynn | 14 :( |
| 19:39.51 | Dashkal | 14 *shudder* |
| 19:39.52 | Esamynn | don't ask |
| 19:39.53 | amro | >< |
| 19:39.54 | Esamynn | just don't |
| 19:39.58 | Esamynn | it's a long story |
| 19:40.17 | Shirik | I guess that's not as bad as licensing a 6 month old to use a gun |
| 19:40.19 | Esamynn | bottom line, there was an MP (male) who wanted to fool around with little boys |
| 19:40.37 | Shirik | sorry, 10 month old |
| 19:40.39 | Tekkub | damn those mana points |
| 19:40.43 | Esamynn | O_O |
| 19:40.57 | Dashkal | "charity is better than social security as a means of helping the genuinely disadvantaged." that's a tough one |
| 19:41.03 | Esamynn | doesn't getting a gun in the US at least require you to be an adult? |
| 19:41.08 | Shirik | http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/kmsb-20070515-kmovjc-babygun.70919325.html |
| 19:41.10 | cladhaire | define "adult" |
| 19:41.20 | ckknight | Dashkal: I strongly agreed with that, because I see social security as removing freedom as well as an inefficient practice |
| 19:41.24 | Dashkal | charity implies voluntary, but it doesn't cover bad situations that don't provoke sympathy |
| 19:41.25 | Shirik | "Illinois State Police say there's nothing about age restrictions in the rules. Applicants under age 21 simply must have a guardian's signature." |
| 19:41.40 | Dashkal | to give a simple example: ugly animals that need help to avoid extinction |
| 19:41.43 | Esamynn | cladhaire: I wasn't even going to go that far, I meant the current legal definition |
| 19:41.54 | ckknight | Dashkal: how tasty are they? |
| 19:41.55 | Esamynn | Shirik: W T F!!! |
| 19:41.57 | cladhaire | then the answer is no |
| 19:41.58 | Dashkal | rofl |
| 19:41.59 | cladhaire | handguns, yes |
| 19:42.09 | cladhaire | but other guns can be purchased at walmart |
| 19:42.13 | Dashkal | but you see my problem with depending on charity? I'd say both have their place |
| 19:42.13 | Esamynn | ... |
| 19:42.17 | cladhaire | at 16 in some states, afaik |
| 19:42.49 | Tekkub | I loved harassing sporting goods when I warked at wally |
| 19:42.51 | cladhaire | hey, you know where there isn't a gun problem England. |
| 19:42.55 | Esamynn | using a gun under age, yes, like a son using his father's gun, but owning one!!! |
| 19:42.55 | Tekkub | "I need a gut, and I need it NOW" |
| 19:43.08 | Tekkub | *gun |
| 19:43.11 | Esamynn | hehe |
| 19:43.25 | cladhaire | wow how uninteresting |
| 19:43.40 | cladhaire | I'm JUST to the authoritarian left of dead center |
| 19:43.41 | cladhaire | wtf |
| 19:43.55 | ckknight | cladhaire: what numbers? |
| 19:43.56 | Dashkal | done |
| 19:44.08 | cladhaire | -2.38 and -3.13 |
| 19:44.11 | Dashkal | nearly dead-center. Just a tidge into the upper-right |
| 19:44.13 | cladhaire | oh, so i lied maybe |
| 19:44.16 | Lunessa | ZOMG - Come to the Dark Side bitch. We has cookies, free markets and GUNS. |
| 19:44.19 | cladhaire | okay i read it wrong |
| 19:44.21 | cladhaire | i feel bette rnow |
| 19:44.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I was -2.25 and -0.25 |
| 19:44.24 | Dashkal | misread |
| 19:44.24 | ckknight | cladhaire: you're more libertarian |
| 19:44.26 | Dashkal | nevermind |
| 19:44.27 | cladhaire | then I'm a lefty libertarian |
| 19:44.30 | ckknight | cladhaire: yep |
| 19:44.31 | ScytheBlade1 | But I also never take those tests "well" |
| 19:44.39 | cladhaire | i can't say i'm shocked. |
| 19:44.43 | Dashkal | lower-left (-3.50, -5.90) |
| 19:44.43 | cladhaire | that that's how i'd be defined |
| 19:44.54 | ckknight | Dashkal: alright then |
| 19:45.29 | ckknight | http://politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008 <--- interesting stuff |
| 19:45.32 | Tekkub | clad's a librarian? |
| 19:45.41 | kd3 | I'm just southwest of center on that test... have been since high school when I took it in front of the us government class |
| 19:46.02 | cladhaire | <3 Kucinich :P |
| 19:46.12 | Dashkal | Does this mean I'd have to vote nader? :p |
| 19:46.25 | ckknight | kd3: alright then |
| 19:46.50 | ckknight | Dashkal: no, due to the shitty nature of the two-party system, that'd be wasting your vote, instead you have to vote for the one that you hate least |
| 19:47.05 | ckknight | wait, not the two party system, the australian ballot system |
| 19:47.13 | ckknight | score voting is far better |
| 19:47.32 | ckknight | in terms of mathematics and overall fairness |
| 19:47.35 | amro | I think candidates should have a boxing match to the death, but that's just me. |
| 19:47.53 | Esamynn | lol |
| 19:47.53 | Shirik | chess! |
| 19:47.54 | ckknight | president Hulk Hogan coming up? |
| 19:48.11 | Shirik | Hulk Hogan vs Schwarz. |
| 19:48.12 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:48.39 | ckknight | good times there |
| 19:50.50 | cladhaire | ckknight: you're required to vote in that election, tho ;-) |
| 19:51.31 | ckknight | technically no, as any non-votes can either count as neutral (smack dab in the middle) or not count toward the total at all |
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| 19:52.21 | Lunessa | I expect that in the savage lands of the distant future, candidates will self-select by slaughtering anyone who disagrees with them using brutal gladiatorial combat! |
| 19:52.39 | cog|work | that is one of the most flawed political quizzes i have ever seen |
| 19:52.55 | cog|work | the questions are more loaded than my grandma in the '60s |
| 19:53.07 | cladhaire | ckknight: I'm not being hypothetical, I'm saying that voting in Australia is compulsory. So depending on where you put the limit of the "system" :P |
| 19:53.51 | Lunessa | cog|work: being loaded sounds pretty good right now. |
| 19:54.03 | ckknight | cladhaire: Australian Ballot isn't used in Australia anymore. It's an odd term |
| 19:54.12 | cladhaire | oh, okay. |
| 19:54.44 | Tekkub | lawl, that test put me at -7, -6.97 |
| 19:54.50 | Lunessa | 30 hours and counting. Going to need lots more caffeine. |
| 19:54.55 | cog|work | it seems to have put me in the correct quadrant, but some of the questions made me want to smack someone upside the head |
| 19:55.15 | ckknight | cog|work: example? |
| 19:55.18 | kd3 | that's the point. they deliberately tried to make the questions fairly loaded |
| 19:55.28 | Esamynn | it put me at -4.38, -2.56 |
| 19:55.34 | Thunder_Child | that test fails |
| 19:55.38 | Tekkub | well it puts me down with the dalai lama, so at least I'm in good company |
| 19:55.39 | Esamynn | cog|work: indeed |
| 19:55.58 | cog|work | ckknight: pretty much everything on page 1 |
| 19:56.02 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:56.17 | Esamynn | lol |
| 19:56.26 | Esamynn | I wanted a neutral option for some of them |
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| 19:56.38 | cladhaire | NO YOU MUST CHOOSE SIDES!!1 |
| 19:56.45 | Esamynn | ~poke cladhaire |
| 19:56.46 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cladhaire, pokes cladhaire repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:56.57 | Tekkub | neutral wouldn't work, cause I'd answer "meh" to everything |
| 19:57.05 | Esamynn | lol |
| 19:57.21 | Dashkal | ckknight: that's how I always vote, sadly |
| 19:57.23 | ckknight | cog|work: I don't see what's so weird about the questions on page 1 |
| 19:57.44 | cog|work | "If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations." What does it mean to strongly disagree? That I think it should serve corporations? No, it means I don't think it SERVES anyone. The global economy is simply the result of people interacting with each other. It's not some mysterious entity with its own ends |
| 19:58.27 | Tekkub | or IS IT |
| 19:58.31 | cog|work | "no one chooses his or her country of birth, so it's foolish to be proud of it." If i strongly disagree does it mean I think the statement itself is a non sequitur or that I think everyone should be proud of america? |
| 19:58.33 | Esamynn | it's a monster, it must be leashed! |
| 19:58.40 | Tekkub | the global economy's out to get me |
| 19:59.01 | Esamynn | yes, Tekkub, everyone is out to get YOU |
| 19:59.12 | Dashkal | cog|work: I disaggreed with that statement because it precluded analyzing my country and finding it to my liking |
| 19:59.13 | Tekkub | cog|work, it means you think people should choose their country as a fetus |
| 19:59.58 | amro | I think the problem with the whole test is lack of context |
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| 20:00.08 | cog|work | "controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment." If I disagree, does that mean I think controlling unemployment is MORE important, or that I don't think either should be "controlled"? And what about the meaning of "control"? Getting rid of the federal reserve would "control" inflation. So would using the federal reserve's powers to that end |
| 20:00.11 | ckknight | Tekkub: I actually believe that |
| 20:00.36 | ckknight | Tekkub: well, actually pre-fetus |
| 20:01.03 | Tekkub | all children should be raised in a netural location (lol Sweden) and then forced to pick their country when they turn 18 |
| 20:01.14 | Esamynn | ... |
| 20:01.16 | cog|work | "because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation." What if I think they require regulation for other reasons? But if I disagree, do you interpret my answer as being anti-environment? |
| 20:01.33 | ckknight | I'm anti-environment |
| 20:01.35 | cladhaire | Tekkub: win! |
| 20:01.49 | ckknight | what has it ever done for me? Nature's a bitch, look at all those hurricanes |
| 20:01.50 | batrick | no u win |
| 20:01.55 | kamdis | hmm "the rich are too highly taxed" - what if i think no one should be taxed? |
| 20:01.58 | Tekkub | see, the homos are in agreement... EXPORT THE CHILDREN! |
| 20:02.02 | kamdis | or that everyone's taxes are too high? |
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| 20:02.07 | Mikk | you still agree |
| 20:02.09 | ckknight | kamdis: then agree |
| 20:02.11 | Mikk | stop complicating it :P |
| 20:02.45 | Mikk | Tekkub: one big problem with that, lots of em would end up not leaving sweden :P |
| 20:02.53 | AckisWork | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1032537/Zara-lion-cub-Arnie-house-cat-make-purrfect-couple.html <-- insert awwww's now |
| 20:02.56 | Tekkub | but is that a problem? |
| 20:03.02 | Mikk | not for sweden, not really =) |
| 20:03.08 | Tekkub | someone's gotta raise the kids there |
| 20:03.10 | Mikk | 8 million people, room for ~100 |
| 20:03.17 | Tekkub | so if some stay, they get to do that |
| 20:03.19 | amro | it becomes a problem when you consider space |
| 20:03.32 | Tekkub | kids are small, space doesn't matter |
| 20:03.33 | Esamynn | AckisWork: no cuteness, we're being POLITICAL! |
| 20:03.40 | AckisWork | cuteness > political |
| 20:03.42 | Mikk | bah we'll just re-annex norway, finland, denmark |
| 20:03.45 | Tekkub | fine, send the fat kids to France |
| 20:03.46 | AckisWork | specially kitty licking tiger |
| 20:04.01 | Dashkal | I think you're reading too far into the negative of these statements |
| 20:04.05 | Dashkal | I do not like this person |
| 20:04.10 | Dashkal | this does not mean I dislike that person |
| 20:04.28 | cladhaire | that's his point |
| 20:04.28 | cladhaire | is reading too far into it |
| 20:04.28 | cladhaire | or are they? |
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| 20:09.48 | Cairenn | AckisWork: awwwww! adorable! |
| 20:09.58 | kamdis | not surprisingly http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=4.38&soc=-5.44 |
| 20:10.12 | ckknight | kamdis: close to me |
| 20:10.19 | AckisWork | Cairenn: I knew it'd be a woman that responded lol |
| 20:10.31 | Cairenn | toooooo cute! |
| 20:11.06 | Cairenn | poor little thing |
| 20:11.11 | cog|work | kamdis: http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=3&soc=-5.69 for me, though i probably would've been higher than 3 if it weren't for the loaded qs |
| 20:12.40 | kamdis | heh |
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| 20:13.12 | ckknight | <-- http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=9&soc=-3.9 |
| 20:13.29 | ckknight | :-) |
| 20:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-2.25&soc=-0.25 |
| 20:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 20:14.33 | kamdis | just have to be different, don't you SB? :P |
| 20:14.43 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 20:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. ;) |
| 20:14.56 | kamdis | <3 |
| 20:14.58 | kamdis | good |
| 20:15.10 | kamdis | if we were all the same i think i'd have to kill myself |
| 20:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:15.20 | cog|work | or start a libertarian revolution :P |
| 20:15.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Not if I didn't kill myself first! |
| 20:15.25 | kamdis | hehe |
| 20:15.32 | kamdis | oh i'm working on it cog |
| 20:15.43 | cog|work | not that our first one wasn't :| |
| 20:16.20 | ScytheBlade1 | haha @ this DNS vulnerability |
| 20:16.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparnetly it's possible that you can hijack any DNS server on the internet now and make it provide any answers you want |
| 20:16.47 | ScytheBlade1 | This "Executive Overview" PDF at the very bottom says |
| 20:16.51 | ScytheBlade1 | "There is no reason to panic." |
| 20:17.31 | Dashkal | hmm, what's the real IP of freenode and wowace and wowi and wow itself? |
| 20:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | freenode has several |
| 20:17.49 | ScytheBlade1 | as does... the rest of them |
| 20:17.55 | Dashkal | I know |
| 20:18.07 | Dashkal | and I don't control where wow goes without breaking the EULA anyway |
| 20:18.29 | Dashkal | Since it's a violation of either the EULA or the TOS to read the data on my own network while running their software... |
| 20:18.52 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1? |
| 20:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 20:19.02 | Shirik | (16:16:04) (ScytheBlade1) Apparnetly it's possible that you can hijack any DNS server on the internet now and make it provide any answers you want |
| 20:19.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ~slashdot |
| 20:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Second one there |
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| 20:26.19 | Fisker- | obvious betrayal is obivooooooooooous |
| 20:26.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It is important to note that without changes to the |
| 20:26.21 | ScytheBlade1 | DNS protocol, these mitigations cannot completely prevent cache |
| 20:26.25 | ScytheBlade1 | poisoning. |
| 20:26.35 | Fisker- | *being stabbed by a knife* Bra'tac: I've been betrayed! |
| 20:26.36 | Fisker- | no shit :o |
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| 20:32.44 | Lunessa | since i"m fried, can I get an error check? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903740306&sid=1 |
| 20:35.39 | Lunessa | Error, error! |
| 20:35.46 | Esamynn | yep, you're flawed, pack yourself up and return yourself |
| 20:36.37 | Esamynn | Nechckn: nah, the flaws are obvious, no need |
| 20:36.49 | Mike-N-Go | I am on my shaman, with 0/45/16 spec, it is intrsting to equip enhacment weapons, and melee DPS and heal. |
| 20:36.56 | Mike-N-Go | In the BGs. |
| 20:37.21 | Nechckn | I usually end up healing, even though I'm ENH on my Tauren Shaman |
| 20:37.33 | Nechckn | since no one else wants to do it... or sees the need =) |
| 20:37.51 | Mike-N-Go | Yah.. |
| 20:37.58 | Nechckn | I still get in a few good whacks here and there, though |
| 20:38.07 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, and I have haling gear for the rest, hehe. |
| 20:38.10 | Mikk | heh http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-6.38&soc=-4.97 |
| 20:38.27 | Mikk | me & dalai lama & ghandi & the gang |
| 20:38.51 | Tekkub | I'm down there with ya too |
| 20:39.03 | Tekkub | lil deeper :) |
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| 20:39.40 | Lunessa | cog|work: Thankee. |
| 20:40.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I looked briefly, and then realized I was still hungry and kept eating. |
| 20:42.11 | sacarasc | Mike-N-Go: make a macro that switches your weapons to shield and healy weapon when you heal and you'll be a little better at it |
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| 20:47.27 | Fisker- | i am vastly superior Mikk |
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| 20:47.38 | Shirik|Ecole | bitchx is a strange client |
| 20:47.42 | Shirik|Ecole | it has too many colors... |
| 20:47.50 | Nechckn | Ha... I thought http://politicalcompass.org/images/bothaxes.gif was my result! |
| 20:47.52 | Fisker- | just like your mother and so forth |
| 20:48.33 | Nechckn | Mikk, we are sole mates, yay! http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-5.50&soc=-1.90 |
| 20:48.40 | Mike-N-Go | I have Wardrobe and use keybinds to swamp weapons. |
| 20:48.46 | Tekkub | Nechckn, you're obviously not worth of having political opinions |
| 20:48.57 | Nechckn | Obviously, Tekkub |
| 20:48.59 | Tekkub | I'm hereby revoking your right to breed |
| 20:49.12 | Tekkub | I want your balls in my hand by the end of the work day |
| 20:49.26 | Kaso | I seems like everyone ive ever seen on the internet (well the nerds' internet) is in the green quadrant on pc |
| 20:49.29 | Nechckn | only if you promise to caress them gently |
| 20:49.30 | Shirik|Ecole | Tekkub |
| 20:49.37 | Shirik|Ecole | I really did not need to hear that... |
| 20:49.43 | Shirik|Ecole | that's one of those things you take to PM |
| 20:49.57 | ScytheBlade1 | (to a PM with Shirik) |
| 20:50.01 | Shirik|Ecole | ... |
| 20:50.03 | Nechckn | Shirik is envisioning such an eventuality, me thinks.. now that is scary. |
| 20:50.04 | Tekkub | PMs mean everyone else misses out on the fun |
| 20:50.34 | Atriace | PMs can easily prevent you from getting kicked off the server. |
| 20:51.44 | Tekkub | Cairenn would never kick me |
| 20:51.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik might ;) |
| 20:52.17 | Dashkal | Kaso: we have a couple purples in here too |
| 20:52.29 | Shirik|Ecole | purples? |
| 20:52.40 | Dashkal | http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-3.50&soc=-5.90 |
| 20:52.43 | Tekkub | nah, he's too easily distracted |
| 20:52.45 | Dashkal | that's me |
| 20:52.52 | Dashkal | but I've seen a couple on the right side |
| 20:52.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Tekkub: haha, probably |
| 20:53.14 | kamdis | There were at least 3 of us purples that I saw. |
| 20:53.16 | kamdis | :P |
| 20:53.25 | kamdis | ckknight, cog and me. |
| 20:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed, there were several |
| 20:53.34 | Dashkal | we all seem to be south, and that doesn't surprise me |
| 20:53.38 | ckknight | yep |
| 20:53.38 | Kaso | Well at very least everyone is south, yeah |
| 20:53.40 | Dashkal | geeks to tend to like to be left alone |
| 20:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | aha |
| 20:53.42 | ckknight | kamdis: Lunessa, too |
| 20:53.46 | kamdis | aye |
| 20:53.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm only 0.25 south, apparently |
| 20:53.55 | Kaso | and scarily it seems all politicians are pretty much red :< |
| 20:54.00 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: please stop infringing on my freedoms |
| 20:54.01 | ckknight | kthx |
| 20:54.03 | Kaso | sorry blure |
| 20:54.04 | Nechckn | "leave Brittney alone!" |
| 20:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I should retake that when I can process basic information correctl |
| 20:54.07 | Kaso | b;ue |
| 20:54.10 | ScytheBlade1 | *correctly |
| 20:54.11 | Kaso | ffs |
| 20:54.13 | Tekkub | at least you're not in the deep south |
| 20:54.14 | Kaso | learn to type kaso |
| 20:54.18 | Tekkub | damn swampies |
| 20:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: I'm actually pretty sure I should be a lot further south than that, but eh |
| 20:54.32 | ckknight | same here |
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| 20:54.51 | Shirik|Ecole | anyone else use bitchx? |
| 20:55.07 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: if the questions weren't so damned flawed you probably would be |
| 20:55.13 | cog|work | and i'd probably be even purpler |
| 20:55.32 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: they appear to be flawed for a reason. ;) It's in the FAQ, actually, it covers that view really well |
| 20:55.42 | cog|work | I score right at the "top" of http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html |
| 20:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: as a note that may be an entirely different site that I'm thinking of |
| 20:55.47 | Nechckn | Yeah... I usually should be more bottom right, as far as anyone ever told me, anyway |
| 20:55.57 | Nechckn | but, it's still "fun" I guess |
| 20:56.48 | kamdis | cog|work, me: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=9&e=10 |
| 20:56.58 | kamdis | One :"maybe" |
| 20:57.00 | kamdis | hehe |
| 20:57.34 | Tekkub | "I do not vote" OMG they actually give that option instead of plugging their ears and pretending that people that don't vote are just stupid idiots to be ignored |
| 20:57.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Every single one of those tests that I've taken, I've scored drastically differently every successive time I've taken them with any reasonable amount of time inbetween retakes |
| 20:57.37 | cog|work | i used to score more to the left but then i learned2economics ;) |
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| 20:58.02 | cog|work | that Sixen guy too |
| 20:58.05 | cog|work | Oh hi! |
| 20:58.09 | cog|work | <.< |
| 20:58.22 | Sixen | =O |
| 20:58.27 | Sixen | What'd I do? |
| 20:58.34 | Lunessa | Oh man. Truck is DOA. |
| 20:58.41 | Lunessa | I r teh fuxxed. |
| 20:58.49 | sacarasc | ckknight (and everyone else): re political compass: http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-7.25&soc=-7.23 <-- i probably make everyone look like money hungry fascists |
| 20:58.59 | cog|work | Sixen: you joined... :P |
| 20:59.09 | Tekkub | oh deeper in then me, I feel better now |
| 20:59.12 | Dashkal | heh, that's a pretty good ways into green :p |
| 20:59.14 | Sixen | I ;) |
| 20:59.39 | Tekkub | http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=8 |
| 20:59.41 | Tekkub | lawl |
| 20:59.44 | kamdis | sacarasc: you're still south though |
| 20:59.47 | Sixen | How'd it going Cog? |
| 20:59.49 | Sixen | How's* |
| 20:59.50 | ckknight | sacarasc: stop using the word fascist if you don't know what it means |
| 21:00.10 | cog|work | ^ |
| 21:00.14 | Lunessa | My results - didn't save link. Your political compass - Economic Left/Right: 5.12 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69 |
| 21:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I took that "smallest compass" quiz once |
| 21:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=9&e=9 |
| 21:00.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Scored like that |
| 21:00.32 | Dashkal | I like how that thing puts fascist north rather than nw or ne |
| 21:00.46 | cog|work | Sixen: same old i suppose |
| 21:00.47 | Dashkal | we have another purple |
| 21:02.12 | Atriace | There has got to be a way to find the duration of a buff (as opposed to the time left on it). |
| 21:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Atriace: watch for it to be placed on you |
| 21:02.24 | cog|work | nope |
| 21:02.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Atriace: bam |
| 21:02.35 | cog|work | at least not 100% reliably |
| 21:02.39 | AckisWork | http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-2.25&soc=-1.23 |
| 21:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 21:02.45 | Sixen | Cog: Hehe, =p. PS those North macros are ftw. |
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| 21:03.19 | cog|work | if you log in with a buff already active, its start time will be whenever the server sent your client the info about it |
| 21:03.35 | Atriace | I'm using a table to store the buffs as they come in, and since the buffs can switch slots when you gain/lose a buff, I rescan/replace that table on every update. Storing that time appropriately for the right buff seems like a nightmare. |
| 21:03.57 | Atriace | cog: that was also a frustration that went through my mind. |
| 21:04.41 | Atriace | Maybe if I had a table of times prestored... |
| 21:05.17 | Atriace | Anyone know of one already made available somewhere? |
| 21:06.56 | amro | Atriace: what about buffs that have different duration depending on rank/talents? |
| 21:07.28 | Atriace | doh |
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| 21:07.46 | Tekkub | I think the better question is, why do you need the max value in the first place? |
| 21:07.55 | Atriace | You can't query buff rank unless it's on another target... which is fairly useless for querying yourself. |
| 21:08.14 | Atriace | Tekkub: so that you can show a progress bar depicting a depletion of the total. |
| 21:08.41 | Tekkub | so just use the initial value as the max |
| 21:09.02 | Tekkub | if the user logs in with a buff the bar "starts" at 100% :P |
| 21:09.15 | ScytheBlade1 | So I retook the .org test, and placed 1.03 in the north. |
| 21:09.18 | Atriace | Read up to my first reply after cog's last reply. |
| 21:09.34 | Tekkub | keeping a big table of initial values simply for that edge case seems wasteful |
| 21:09.42 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: read the faq. A shift is expected |
| 21:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: yeah, I know. The thing is that I was expecting the opposite. |
| 21:10.19 | Dashkal | One thing I wish it gave was the margin for error on each axis |
| 21:10.24 | Tekkub | hell, save the init values for active buffs on logoff, then you have the ones you need, and don't waste time with all the other buffs out there |
| 21:14.48 | Fisker- | 1 billion gold Tekkub |
| 21:16.49 | Dashkal | ok, the last faq entry is pure gold (and has nothing to do with politics) |
| 21:17.57 | Dashkal | anway, food time |
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| 21:53.31 | Esamynn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7716836201 Post #4 is made me crack up laughing |
| 21:53.39 | Esamynn | s/is/ / |
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| 21:55.55 | cog|work | rofl |
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| 21:58.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Post #4 is AMAZING AMOUNTS OF WIN |
| 21:58.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man, that's too good not to share |
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| 21:59.34 | Lunessa | I never looted the core hounds. |
| 21:59.46 | Lunessa | Ciao. |
| 22:03.07 | Esamynn | cog|work: I've considered posting about the time one of our Paladins cast BoP on the MT while he was kiting Anub'rekhan in Naxx |
| 22:04.32 | durcyn | reminds me of a gehennas kill years and years ago where a paladin accidentally DI'd the MT, took him a good 30 seconds to figure out to click it off |
| 22:05.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I know of a tank in MC who, back before threat meters existed, actually knew how to manipulate threat |
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| 22:05.22 | ScytheBlade1 | There was this one mage that he was annoyed with, so he brought some invuln potions with him to MC that night |
| 22:05.29 | Esamynn | lies, you cannot know threat without a meter, you fool! :P |
| 22:05.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Clicked the pot at just the right moment, and watched... I forget the name of the boss |
| 22:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | The huge guy beneath the bridge |
| 22:05.52 | Esamynn | Golomagg |
| 22:05.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Ding |
| 22:06.05 | Esamynn | grats, what level? ;) |
| 22:06.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Golemagg walked over to said mage, ganked the mage, clicked the invuln pot off |
| 22:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:08.21 | Atriace | Anyone know a coder who calls himself CMM? |
| 22:08.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh, yeah. CMM. |
| 22:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | (No idea, sorry) |
| 22:08.44 | Atriace | hehe |
| 22:09.00 | Esamynn | ok, this one is pretty good too: "In Hyjal, I said "Talk to Jaina for free flasks." in vent. Someone fell for it, pretty sure no one knows it was me :D " |
| 22:09.04 | Atriace | My guess is CMM is an acronym for his real name. |
| 22:09.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a guildie warlock who is... evil |
| 22:09.37 | ScytheBlade1 | he tells the apps in whispers to talk to jaina to get a free something-or-other |
| 22:09.57 | Esamynn | an old guildie of mine used to cast Rain of Fire on the raid while doing the 2nd serpent boss in MC |
| 22:10.00 | ScytheBlade1 | People start yelling on vent that someone started the event with only 12 people zoned in, people start demanding to find out who it is |
| 22:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ~FauxScrollFrame |
| 22:10.11 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, fauxscrollframe is one of the first Lua/XML systems written by Blizzard for the WoW user interface. Its learning curve resembles an inverted L, and Zootfizzle hates it. Along with cogs, it is in the top five on his "dead to me" list. |
| 22:10.40 | Esamynn | you know, the boss that would randomly Raid of Fire on the raid himself? |
| 22:10.46 | Esamynn | Rain* |
| 22:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | (sorry, needed that quote for someone else) |
| 22:11.18 | Esamynn | ~factinfo FauxScrollFrame |
| 22:11.18 | purl | fauxscrollframe -- created by Zootfizzle <i=c64a263b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-83421feb501ba7d0> at Fri Apr 25 23:38:16 2008 (73 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by ScytheBlade1, 1m 7s ago. |
| 22:11.30 | Esamynn | lol |
| 22:12.00 | bleeter_ | how 'big' is the chat scrollback buffer? |
| 22:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter_: can be adjusted |
| 22:12.15 | Esamynn | default is 200 iirc |
| 22:12.31 | Esamynn | but it depends on the max lines of the window |
| 22:12.34 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: by default? I'm having an argument with GMs at the moment about how to report players when there's about 20 msgs per second to trade |
| 22:12.34 | Esamynn | which you can set |
| 22:13.04 | bleeter | They're saying I should manually /ignore and /report each offender over a 15 min period, I suspected scrollback wouldn't go 12,000 lines |
| 22:13.09 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: off the top of my head I can't remember the API call to get that information, and my head hurts. |
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| 22:13.37 | Esamynn | :GetMaxLines() on the frame iirc |
| 22:13.46 | Esamynn | also :SetMaxLines() |
| 22:14.29 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: mine defaults to 128 |
| 22:17.29 | Shirik | anyone ever heard of the company "g skill"? |
| 22:17.58 | [dRaCo] | ya |
| 22:18.06 | Shirik | are they any good? |
| 22:18.25 | [dRaCo] | pretty sure there's better RAM around |
| 22:18.27 | Thunder_Child | ram makers? |
| 22:18.44 | Shirik | yes ram |
| 22:18.47 | Thunder_Child | i has never used them |
| 22:18.49 | [dRaCo] | good enough if you're not overclocking hard, though |
| 22:18.56 | Shirik | problem is, I can't find anything that matches what I'm using now exactly |
| 22:18.58 | Shirik | except by them |
| 22:19.08 | Shirik | Maybe I should just upgrade my whole system... |
| 22:20.22 | Thunder_Child | unusual ram? |
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| 22:20.32 | Shirik | unusual timings is the only part |
| 22:20.47 | Shirik | The reason I bought this ram is for the timings a while ago, and it's still kinda hard to find and I'd prefer not to give it up :P |
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| 22:22.35 | Mikk | Esamynn: "Talk to Jaina to get a teleport to the horde camp" works well also :> |
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| 22:27.23 | Dashkal | I think you should be able to execute the ballista strategy in MH |
| 22:28.26 | Esamynn | lol Mikk |
| 22:28.41 | alestane | Anyone understand what is meant by "a brace-enclosed initializer is not allowed here before '{' token"? |
| 22:29.22 | Mikk | is thisLlua? oO |
| 22:29.27 | alestane | C++ |
| 22:29.45 | Mikk | paste the line? |
| 22:30.11 | alestane | static const Diamond::Event::TypeSpecifier ApplicationEvents[] = { { kEventClassCommand, kEventCommandProcess } }; |
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| 22:31.07 | cog|work | is ::TypeSpecifier an array type? |
| 22:31.13 | alestane | A struct. |
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| 22:31.43 | alestane | ApplicationEvents is supposed to be an array of structs. |
| 22:31.54 | Mikk | Weird. |
| 22:32.15 | Mikk | There has to be some sort of operator defined on TypeSpecifier that misleads the compiler |
| 22:33.04 | alestane | I didn't originally define the struct, but it's actually defined in C, not C++, so I don't think it can override anything. |
| 22:33.36 | Mikk | and kEvent.... is simple #defines / enums? |
| 22:34.06 | alestane | enumerations, I believe. |
| 22:34.22 | Mikk | Out of curiosity, what happens if you remove "const"? |
| 22:34.42 | alestane | An interesting question. |
| 22:35.09 | alestane | Same thing. |
| 22:39.31 | alestane | It's also offering "error: invalid in-class initialization of static data member of non-integral type 'EventTypeSpec []'" |
| 22:39.44 | alestane | Idea! |
| 22:41.50 | alestane | Phrase it as "class Microzois {private: static Diamond::Event::TypeSpecifier ApplicationEvents[]; };" and following it with "Diamond::Event::TypeSpecifier Microzois::ApplicationEvents[] = { { kEventClassCommand, kEventCommandProcess } };" and the compiler accepts it. |
| 22:42.14 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i want pizza |
| 22:43.48 | cog|work | so order some :P |
| 22:44.01 | Thunder_Child | well i shouldn't have any |
| 22:44.42 | cog|work | then jog 3 miles afterward |
| 22:45.05 | Thunder_Child | who feels like joging 3 miles after eating pizza? |
| 22:45.19 | cog|work | i didn't say how long after |
| 22:45.30 | Thunder_Child | 5 days later... |
| 22:45.36 | cog|work | but preferably before your next pizza |
| 22:45.50 | Thunder_Child | thats not hard, i eat it less than once a month |
| 22:46.23 | Mike-N-Go | So.. how am I sppost to move the mouse-over unit frame of PitBull, if it disipears when I do not have a unit moused over? |
| 22:46.35 | Thunder_Child | isnt there a setup mode? |
| 22:46.49 | Mike-N-Go | The mouse focus changes when I go to mouse over the frame for mouse over... |
| 22:47.13 | Mike-N-Go | I have poked arround in the options, to no advail, do you know where it is? |
| 22:47.39 | Thunder_Child | wait, there is a unit fram attached to the mouse now? |
| 22:47.46 | Thunder_Child | i stopped playing a bit ago |
| 22:48.27 | Mike-N-Go | Thunder_Child: The unit one is moused-over has a fram from PitBull, a unitframe mod. |
| 22:48.34 | Mike-N-Go | frame* |
| 22:48.46 | Thunder_Child | oh, i got it now |
| 22:49.08 | Thunder_Child | huh, pitbull usually has a fairly good option system |
| 22:49.12 | Thunder_Child | i dunno then |
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| 22:50.44 | Mike-N-Go | The problem is, I cannot get the mouse to focus on the frame of mouse over, as it disipears .. |
| 22:51.11 | Mike-N-Go | Humm.. if I get a unit under the frame when it is invisiable, I have a fraction of a second to move it =/ |
| 22:51.22 | Thunder_Child | i thought the "sandbox" mode showed all frames |
| 22:52.02 | Mike-N-Go | Where is said box of sand? |
| 22:52.33 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i'll go boot up wow |
| 22:52.47 | Thunder_Child | though it will have multiple patches to dl |
| 22:53.05 | Thunder_Child | or not |
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| 22:55.44 | Thunder_Child | Mike-N-Go, are you in the pitbull menu? |
| 22:55.59 | Mike-N-Go | Yes, I have looked arround the PitBull config menu. |
| 22:56.06 | Thunder_Child | top level |
| 22:56.14 | Thunder_Child | it says configureation mode |
| 22:56.21 | Thunder_Child | well, spelled properly |
| 22:56.26 | Thunder_Child | set to solo |
| 22:56.38 | Mike-N-Go | My eyes.. burn! |
| 22:56.50 | Mike-N-Go | Only have raid, and Disabled. |
| 22:57.14 | Thunder_Child | try raid |
| 22:57.20 | Thunder_Child | dunno why you dont have solo though |
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| 22:57.27 | Shirik | so is it worth buying a $1500 processor? |
| 22:57.42 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, depends on the processor |
| 22:57.56 | Thunder_Child | extreme? |
| 22:58.03 | Shirik | Well seeing that quad cores are out, I wanted that, and I also wanted the 1600MHz FSB |
| 22:58.04 | Mike-N-Go | Okay, thanks, that should help. |
| 22:58.08 | Shirik | which apparently limits me to one processor |
| 22:58.14 | Thunder_Child | np Mike-N-Go |
| 22:58.22 | Shirik | Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 Yorkfield 3.2GHz 12MB L2 Cache |
| 22:58.40 | Thunder_Child | yes, the only ones that cost more than any other component |
| 22:58.54 | Tenchworks | how badly/soon do you need the processor? |
| 22:59.12 | Shirik | well if I don't get a new setup, I need more RAM at a minimum |
| 22:59.22 | Shirik | so I'm looking at paying $300 for RAM or getting a new setup |
| 22:59.43 | Tenchworks | hmmm |
| 22:59.53 | Shirik | fortunately, I have everything I need. I would just need a new board, RAM, and CPU |
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| 23:00.28 | Tenchworks | will paying just 300 for ram make the system last long enough before you redo it? cost vs time can make that a tricky question |
| 23:00.38 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:00.41 | Shirik | that's the real question |
| 23:00.43 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, well the odds are is that it will last you for ~2 years or so. how much is it worth to you |
| 23:01.03 | Shirik | I've had the computer I have now for nearly 4 years |
| 23:01.11 | Shirik | and it's still not bad... |
| 23:01.15 | Thunder_Child | i mean the cpu will get outclassees about then |
| 23:01.19 | Thunder_Child | classed* |
| 23:01.38 | Shirik | I'll be honest though |
| 23:01.44 | Thunder_Child | outclassed by normal cpus* |
| 23:01.47 | Shirik | I'm kinda staring at that "12MB L2 Cache" and saying "wtf" |
| 23:02.08 | Tenchworks | it seems that that's the new trend |
| 23:02.11 | Shirik | mine's 1MB, and I remember buying this CPU because it had a "huge L2 cache" |
| 23:02.16 | Tenchworks | increasing the cache i mean |
| 23:02.21 | Nechckn | Shirik didn't you just get a new machine? |
| 23:02.51 | Shirik | new laptop |
| 23:02.58 | Shirik | which is part of what's convincing me that I need a new desktop |
| 23:02.59 | Nechckn | Ah... okeydokey |
| 23:03.03 | Shirik | since my laptop can handle things better than my desktop |
| 23:03.12 | Tenchworks | o_O? |
| 23:03.16 | Nechckn | that is usually a good sign |
| 23:03.25 | Nechckn | of needing an upgrade, that is. |
| 23:03.36 | Shirik | granted my laptop is somewhat kick-ass |
| 23:03.38 | Shirik | but still |
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| 23:13.15 | Atriace | lua> time = os.date(*t); print(time.hour) |
| 23:13.16 | lua_bot | Atriace: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '*' |
| 23:14.16 | Atriace | os.date ([format [, time]]) -- "if format is the string "*t", then date returns a table with the following fields..." |
| 23:14.22 | Atriace | what am I missing? |
| 23:14.30 | Shirik | it needs to be a string |
| 23:14.37 | Shirik | not some random characters in the middle of nowhere |
| 23:14.46 | Atriace | lua> time = os.date("*t"); print(time.hour) |
| 23:14.47 | lua_bot | Atriace: 0 |
| 23:14.52 | Atriace | ha |
| 23:15.05 | Atriace | I thought it was funny seeing a multiplication operator there.... |
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| 23:17.07 | Atriace | I don't think this is the function I'm looking for. This uses a table to format the date. I'm looking for a function that converts a single decimal number to time. I seem to remember using one a while back that did that. |
| 23:19.33 | Shirik | lua> return os.time(); |
| 23:19.34 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1215559173 |
| 23:19.40 | Shirik | lua> return os.date(1215559173) |
| 23:19.40 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1215559173 |
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| 23:20.04 | Shirik | lua> return os.date("%c", 1215559173) |
| 23:20.04 | lua_bot | Shirik: Wed Jul 9 00:19:33 2008 |
| 23:20.14 | Atriace | o_0 |
| 23:20.26 | Atriace | :D |
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| 23:26.59 | Atriace | doh |
| 23:27.19 | Atriace | "attempt to index global 'os" (a nil value)" |
| 23:27.26 | Atriace | not available in WoW, it would seem. |
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| 23:28.18 | foxlit | date == os.date |
| 23:28.46 | Atriace | Well how about that... |
| 23:29.09 | Atriace | Is that universally true, or only in WoW? |
| 23:30.31 | Shirik | only in wow |
| 23:32.25 | Kaso | Or the wow lua binary |
| 23:32.28 | Kaso | ofc |
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| 23:43.07 | ckknight | does anyone know a way to get the x/y coordinates for instances (not necessarily in-game or anything)? |
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| 23:53.13 | *** part/#wowuidev JamesJr (n=jameswcr@71-87-226-168.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com) |
| 23:54.32 | *** join/#wowuidev DARKGuy (i=DARKGuy@201.242.99.96) |
| 23:54.43 | DARKGuy | is there any website to see all the guilds in a specific realm ? |
| 23:54.51 | Shirik | wowjutsu.com |
| 23:54.56 | *** join/#wowuidev JoshBorke (n=josh@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke) |
| 23:56.31 | Thunder_Child | lol, i read that as wowjustu.com |
| 23:56.37 | foxlit | If you're interested in a specific realm /who level range instance name would probably be easy :) |
