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| 00:21.38 | DARKGuy | o/ |
| 00:21.38 | DARKGuy | :( |
| 00:21.53 | Ackis | sup DARKGuy :P |
| 00:22.01 | DARKGuy | hey Ackis :D |
| 00:22.05 | DARKGuy | sad, can't lvl my priest :( |
| 00:22.13 | Ackis | awww |
| 00:22.20 | DARKGuy | I get ganked everywhere in ganklethorn or arathi :( |
| 00:23.04 | DARKGuy | she's like 36, dunno where to lvl |
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| 00:27.12 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 00:27.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pong |
| 00:27.30 | Shirik | what's your current progression in raid? |
| 00:27.35 | Shirik | do you have a raid? |
| 00:27.50 | ScytheBlade1 | If it wasn't the weekend of the 4th of July, we'd have Mother down this week |
| 00:27.53 | ScytheBlade1 | 4/5 and whatever/9 |
| 00:28.02 | Shirik | ok, do you have a DS priest? |
| 00:28.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 00:28.14 | Shirik | ok, so that's 1/1 |
| 00:28.22 | Shirik | anyone else at BT/Sunwell care to answer the question? |
| 00:28.39 | ScytheBlade1 | They'd have one too, I have no doubt |
| 00:29.31 | [dRaCo] | If you've got a stable raid, yeah, I'd get one of your priests to spec imp. DS |
| 00:29.40 | ScytheBlade1 | We have one DS priest and then three-four PoH priests |
| 00:29.52 | ScytheBlade1 | DS priest has great attendance, the others rotate in and out |
| 00:30.43 | [dRaCo] | priests and trees love DS |
| 00:31.02 | ScytheBlade1 | And mages! |
| 00:31.38 | [dRaCo] | not as much anymore, since evocation doesnt scale with spirit anymore... or did I miss something? |
| 00:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Imp DS and arcane mages |
| 00:32.12 | Ackis | Shirik: we only have 2 holy priests that raid (lately it's just been me, but even I'm taking a break now so no priests lol) |
| 00:32.33 | Shirik | One of our priests disappeared for a while |
| 00:32.55 | Shirik | just recently came back and is all "Why do we have a DS priest, I've seen so many BT/Sunwell guilds, DS is crap. Should be CoH. blah blah blah" |
| 00:33.17 | Ackis | On felmyst/KJ we all go CoH, for the rest of one of us is Imp DS |
| 00:33.18 | Shirik | I, as the senior priest, am trying to get her to stfu >< |
| 00:33.27 | Shirik | because I'm completely convinced she's wrong |
| 00:33.38 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.43 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Then she is broken :P |
| 00:34.06 | Ackis | Imp Spirit benefits all DPS casters and all healers |
| 00:34.38 | Shirik | 6/6? |
| 00:34.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Sunwell ;P |
| 00:34.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, and 8/8? |
| 00:34.57 | Shirik | there are people that have cleared sunwell? |
| 00:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ...... |
| 00:35.02 | ScytheBlade1 | .......................... |
| 00:35.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 00:35.04 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:35.05 | [dRaCo] | some |
| 00:35.05 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:35.11 | Shirik | my server is very backwater |
| 00:35.15 | Ackis | Shirik: about 40 - 50 guilds worldwide have killed KJ |
| 00:35.18 | [dRaCo] | it's gotta be 9/9, though |
| 00:35.18 | Shirik | we're the furthest in horde progression, and we're on illidan |
| 00:35.22 | [dRaCo] | :P |
| 00:35.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowjutsu.com/world/ |
| 00:35.30 | Ackis | Shirik: Illidan? |
| 00:35.41 | Shirik | on our server |
| 00:35.41 | ScytheBlade1 | 39 guilds with sunwell cleared |
| 00:35.41 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:35.45 | Ackis | ahh |
| 00:35.58 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:36.00 | Shirik | no, Drenden |
| 00:36.37 | Shirik | http://wowjutsu.com/us/drenden/ |
| 00:36.42 | Shirik | Note the extreme disparity between A and H |
| 00:37.02 | Shirik | though we've killed council... |
| 00:37.07 | Shirik | stupid wowjutsu hasn't updated |
| 00:37.32 | Ackis | do a manual update |
| 00:37.48 | Ackis | http://wowjutsu.com/queue/add.php |
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| 00:38.31 | curti | Hello. |
| 00:38.34 | Ackis | I got the world 11th staff of the sin'dorei |
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| 00:41.27 | [dRaCo] | I want my raid to be more constant :/ |
| 00:41.44 | curti | ^ |
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| 00:47.11 | curti | Would anyone be able to assisted me with something in an addon I'm working on? |
| 00:48.58 | [dRaCo] | just ask |
| 00:49.23 | curti | I have: |
| 00:49.23 | curti | elseif (event=="COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED" and arg2 == "SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS" and |
| 00:49.24 | curti | arg4 == y and arg9 == 687) then |
| 00:49.30 | curti | SendChatMessage("!rw Use drums!", "WHISPER", nil, msg); |
| 00:49.47 | curti | How would I delay the message sent to be 30seconds after the spell is cast? |
| 00:50.37 | [dRaCo] | acetimer provides function to do that |
| 00:50.57 | [dRaCo] | e.g. |
| 00:51.00 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: pong |
| 00:51.26 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: quick question: any way to get auctioneer to display horde vs. alliance data side by side? |
| 00:51.46 | MentalPower | in classic yes, in advanced, not yet |
| 00:51.51 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: I paged through the options and found something close but not quite |
| 00:51.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah-ha, I knew I had seen that before |
| 00:52.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Thought I was going insane for a while there :P |
| 00:53.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Second, did you ever figure out what the "2" flag in the GUIDs are for? ie, 0 = player, 1 = traps, 3 = NPC, etc? |
| 00:54.03 | MentalPower | nop, I stopped looking |
| 00:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, just curious. Off to parse pages of GUIDs. |
| 00:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks |
| 00:56.11 | kd3 | rofl: http://i30.tinypic.com/34j3rzm.jpg |
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| 01:00.12 | MentalPower | kd3: nice :) |
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| 01:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: well, after scanning 82501 GUIDs I've got recorded, exactly zero of them match the unknown '2' value |
| 01:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Me thinks that it's going to stay unknown |
| 01:16.20 | Shirik | ok.... |
| 01:16.27 | Shirik | one of our guildies DCed in council's room |
| 01:16.40 | Shirik | we wiped, she comes back, dead, as a ghost |
| 01:16.44 | Shirik | in the barrens |
| 01:16.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Or not |
| 01:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a new one |
| 01:17.10 | Shirik | and her body's not on the floor in council's room either |
| 01:17.30 | kd3 | server lost track of her, she spawned in the horde default graveyard |
| 01:18.00 | ScytheBlade1 | So, tell her to hack less |
| 01:18.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Problem solved |
| 01:18.17 | Shirik | wierd |
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| 01:20.18 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, out of curiosity |
| 01:20.21 | Shirik | what were you expecting? |
| 01:20.52 | ScytheBlade1 | That she had DC'd earlier on and came back as a living body within aggro range |
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| 01:32.30 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:32.32 | Shirik | nah |
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| 01:46.09 | batrick | Shirik: that happens when the server can't find a near gy |
| 01:46.48 | batrick | When I used to play for alliance, I died in AQ area and respawned in westfall |
| 01:46.51 | batrick | was quite annoying |
| 01:49.19 | curti | Happend to me in Badlands. I was put in XR so I ran back... |
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| 02:22.26 | Kaso | ICMP Destination unreachable (Host administratively prohibited) |
| 02:22.36 | Kaso | administratively prohibited? |
| 02:22.56 | kd3 | that's how f8 blocked packets by default |
| 02:23.09 | kd3 | f9 uses a different icmp response iirc |
| 02:23.09 | Kaso | oh interesting |
| 02:25.10 | Shirik | so those fire elementals hit for 50k huh |
| 02:25.13 | Shirik | on illidan |
| 02:25.24 | Kaso | Ah i see, i was looking at the old ICMP RFC, it was added later |
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| 02:27.57 | Mike-N-Go | Where is the documentation for how to have an addon use the blizzard interface menu GUI? |
| 02:28.21 | kd3 | the 2.4.0 changes sticky/the interface menu UI? |
| 02:35.05 | Ntruder | I have a question. I have some movable buttons. I'd like them to stay relative to their parent frame when its being moved. Is that possible? |
| 02:35.34 | Shirik | button:SetPoint(anchor1, parent, anchor2, offx, offy) |
| 02:37.05 | Ntruder | if I use SetPoint instead of an anchor tag it will stay relative after being moved? |
| 02:37.25 | Shirik | how are you having them moved? |
| 02:37.29 | Ntruder | drag |
| 02:37.38 | Shirik | what are you calling |
| 02:37.58 | Ntruder | :StartMoving() and :StopMovingOrSizing() |
| 02:38.26 | Shirik | I think so |
| 02:38.29 | Shirik | there's one way to find out |
| 02:55.19 | Codex|wow | acecomms been bulling my other channels to spot 1.. is there an easier way to change which #wowuidev it is then leaving and joining |
| 02:56.49 | Codex|wow | err |
| 02:56.55 | Codex|wow | how did #wowuidev get in there |
| 02:57.02 | Codex|wow | oh ch.a.n.n.e.l. |
| 02:57.53 | Shirik | your client replaces channel with the current channel? |
| 02:58.23 | Shirik | oh my life that VERSION reply needs to die |
| 02:59.32 | Codex|wow | channel |
| 02:59.35 | Codex|wow | hmm |
| 02:59.37 | Codex|wow | i dunno what i did |
| 02:59.46 | Corrodias | what version reply? |
| 03:00.08 | batrick | Codex|wow: weren't you on Destromath? |
| 03:00.08 | Shirik | the one that's in dark blue and light blue and red and dark grey |
| 03:00.15 | Shirik | that doesn't work on my black background |
| 03:00.22 | Codex|wow | batrick yes, ages ago |
| 03:00.24 | Codex|wow | switched to pve |
| 03:00.26 | Codex|wow | who are you? |
| 03:00.31 | Codex|wow | i mean, ur char |
| 03:00.38 | batrick | I used to play a mage myrafae |
| 03:00.38 | Shirik | it's batrick! |
| 03:00.42 | Shirik | everybody loves batrick |
| 03:00.49 | batrick | except shirik |
| 03:00.51 | batrick | batbot: amirite? |
| 03:00.51 | batbot | batrick, You may rely on it. |
| 03:01.00 | Shirik | :< |
| 03:01.14 | Codex|wow | batrick who was ur char? |
| 03:01.20 | batrick | Myrafae |
| 03:01.31 | batrick | !g myrafae armory |
| 03:01.31 | batbot | batrick: WoW Forums -> Post Search <http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/search.html;jsessionid=C8733567A532282964641653482D4C41?forumId=10017&characterId=322306876&sid=1> |
| 03:01.39 | batrick | google fails |
| 03:03.30 | Codex|wow | ahh i remember you |
| 03:04.45 | Shirik | he was fail mage yeah? |
| 03:04.53 | Shirik | always missed the spellsteal on krosh firehand |
| 03:04.54 | Codex|wow | no |
| 03:04.54 | Shirik | imo |
| 03:04.58 | Shirik | yes he was |
| 03:05.05 | Codex|wow | wasnt even 70 on destromath, lol |
| 03:05.11 | Shirik | oh damn |
| 03:05.13 | Shirik | that's like epic fail |
| 03:05.22 | Codex|wow | actually just killed firehand 10 min ago |
| 03:05.22 | Shirik | batbot, is batrick epic fail? |
| 03:05.23 | batbot | Shirik, No. |
| 03:05.27 | Shirik | batbot, are you sure? |
| 03:05.27 | batbot | Shirik, Keep dreaming. |
| 03:05.30 | batrick | owned! |
| 03:05.39 | Shirik | batbot, do you hate me? |
| 03:05.39 | batbot | Shirik, Don't count on it. |
| 03:05.43 | Shirik | yey <3 |
| 03:07.56 | batrick | oi shirik |
| 03:08.06 | batrick | chess ur white go! |
| 03:10.01 | Shirik | I have to study |
| 03:10.07 | Shirik | diff eq test in 12 hous |
| 03:10.08 | Shirik | hours |
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| 03:15.33 | batrick | wtf u have classes this summer? |
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| 03:17.05 | curti | (event=="COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED" and arg2 == "SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS" and arg4 == y |
| 03:17.05 | curti | and arg9 == 1454) then |
| 03:19.13 | curti | How would I print the timestamp when that spell was cast? I'm having trouble |
| 03:19.13 | curti | understanding how the CombatLog works. |
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| 03:22.59 | batrick | arg1 is the timestamp |
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| 03:23.30 | curti | So after then I would put: ChatFrame1:AddMessage(arg1); |
| 03:23.39 | batrick | yes |
| 03:25.10 | Codex|wow | i wish combuctor had oglow and normal dragging support :( |
| 03:25.43 | curti | 1215401092.796 |
| 03:30.36 | Shirik | yeah batrick :( |
| 03:30.38 | Shirik | anyway, I'm off |
| 03:30.39 | Shirik | pz |
| 03:37.40 | Codex|wow | hey bat |
| 03:37.44 | Codex|wow | what guild were u in? |
| 03:38.19 | curti | which part of 1215401284.596 would be the seconds? |
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| 03:41.37 | batrick | Codex|wow: Masquers |
| 03:41.45 | Codex|wow | ahh |
| 03:41.50 | Codex|wow | i remember them |
| 03:41.57 | Codex|wow | i was in momentum |
| 03:41.59 | Codex|wow | and genesis |
| 03:42.06 | Codex|wow | they still around? |
| 03:42.12 | batrick | momentum is |
| 03:42.24 | Codex|wow | genesis disbanded? |
| 03:42.32 | batrick | i haven't seen them, so probably |
| 03:44.16 | Codex|wow | who leads momo now |
| 03:44.31 | batrick | curti: arg1 is in seconds |
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| 03:44.47 | batrick | Candorus still does |
| 03:49.04 | Codex|wow | used to be someone else |
| 03:49.09 | Codex|wow | a paladin |
| 03:51.39 | Codex|wow | was a buddy of mine |
| 03:54.31 | Codex|Gruuls | Hexarobi i see you did the updates we talked bout |
| 03:59.29 | Hexarobi | which did we talk about?=) its been a day full of updates |
| 04:01.44 | Hexarobi | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17020 |
| 04:02.29 | curti | chess! |
| 04:03.55 | Codex|Gruuls | the sounds etc |
| 04:05.18 | Hexarobi | ah yes |
| 04:05.24 | Hexarobi | for the standard skin, adds alot i think |
| 04:05.29 | Hexarobi | and added win/loss/draw sounds |
| 04:18.02 | Codex|sl33p | how can i change the ordering of my chat tabs? |
| 04:18.07 | Codex|sl33p | acecomm always wants to be #1 |
| 04:21.36 | Codex|sl33p | ? |
| 04:25.25 | Codex|sl33p | used to be a mod called channel manager back in interface version 1500 |
| 04:25.29 | Codex|sl33p | would reorder your channels |
| 04:27.34 | Codex|sl33p | oh and another chatmanager from 2.3.1 |
| 04:29.45 | curti | Chat Tabs? Don't you just drag them in the order you want it? Like IE7? |
| 04:30.30 | Codex|sl33p | sorry not tab,s channels |
| 04:30.39 | Codex|sl33p | like general, trade, |
| 04:30.50 | Codex|sl33p | but cirks chatmanager for 2.3.1 did the trick |
| 04:30.58 | curti | Oh. The only way I know of doing that is leaving and joining channels. |
| 04:31.03 | curti | Oh cool. |
| 04:31.12 | Codex|sl33p | problem was, every time i left acecomm, it rejoined 0.00001 seconds after |
| 04:33.21 | Tem | probably the next frame |
| 04:34.36 | Codex|sl33p | channels use frames? |
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| 04:39.46 | Cairenn | Keias: ping? |
| 04:44.32 | Cairenn | ~seen Keias |
| 04:44.33 | purl | keias is currently on #wowuidev (1d 9h 27m 10s) #wowace (1d 9h 27m 10s), last said: 'Turkey vs Germany soccer is on!'. |
| 04:44.56 | Keias | hi |
| 04:45.12 | Cairenn | congrats, your name just got pulled for one of the books |
| 04:45.22 | Keias | woot :D |
| 04:45.28 | Cairenn | still want it? |
| 04:45.37 | Keias | of course! |
| 04:45.57 | Cairenn | (bunch of people in here signed up then asked me to take their names back off, that's why I'm checking) |
| 04:46.06 | Cairenn | okay, watch for an email from me shortly :) |
| 04:46.12 | curti | I fail at addons. Can I ask for suggestions, the easy way. >< |
| 04:46.12 | Keias | will do |
| 04:47.47 | curti | if (event=="COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED" and arg2 == "SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS" and arg4 == |
| 04:47.47 | curti | y and arg9 == 35476) then |
| 04:47.47 | curti | SendChatMessage("!rw Use drums!", "WHISPER", nil, msg); |
| 04:48.03 | curti | What's an easy way to delay the SendChatMessage thirty seconds? |
| 04:48.24 | curti | I didn't understand arg1, even though I was told it was seconds. |
| 04:48.35 | Cairenn | curti, for future ref, anything longer than a couple lines, please toss it into a pastey and post the link ( http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ ) |
| 04:49.01 | curti | Ok! |
| 04:49.06 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 04:50.53 | Codex|sl33p | Cairenn how many lines is too much |
| 04:51.06 | Cairenn | 3 or more should go to pastey |
| 04:51.10 | Codex|sl33p | k |
| 04:52.04 | Codex|sl33p | is there a bot to pull up a pastey link in an irc window :) |
| 04:55.06 | curti | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90826 |
| 04:55.44 | curti | I want to delay line 24 thirty seconds after the spell cast. |
| 04:56.34 | Codex|sl33p | run a loop 3 million times :P |
| 04:57.21 | Codex|sl33p | hmm whatd the timer i saw the other day.. chronotime? |
| 04:57.52 | Codex|sl33p | chronos maybe.. a continued version |
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| 04:59.13 | Codex|wow | t to delay line 24 thirty seconds after the spell cast. |
| 04:59.15 | Codex|wow | [12:56am] MentalPow |
| 04:59.17 | Codex|wow | oops |
| 04:59.19 | Codex|wow | sorry |
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| 05:18.45 | Tem | So um |
| 05:19.07 | Tem | Has the treeform aura always stacked? |
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| 05:27.35 | curti | tbh idk, we never had more than one tree |
| 05:27.44 | curti | I noticed Totem of Wrath stacks. |
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| 05:51.46 | kd3 | o_O; fark: "[Dumbass] You're having a bad day when you're booked on 4th degree DUI and criminal vehicular operation involving a death. Fark: You were driving a golf cart" |
| 05:52.08 | curti | ! |
| 05:52.53 | kd3 | seriously... how? golfcarts don't go that fast... I've been run in to with a few |
| 05:53.14 | curti | idk :S |
| 05:53.17 | curti | Where did you read that? |
| 05:53.21 | kd3 | fark |
| 05:54.37 | curti | Hm. Well I'm off to bed! |
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| 06:35.35 | krka | i love todays xkcd |
| 06:40.17 | kd3 | ya. wood's already been semi-protected |
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| 06:42.50 | cncfanatics | hello all |
| 06:43.29 | Cairenn | heh cncfanatics :) |
| 06:47.22 | Cairenn | errr, hey* |
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| 06:49.04 | cncfanatics | heh, hello :) |
| 06:49.27 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Cairenn |
| 06:49.27 | purl | Cairenn, you Fail! |
| 06:49.35 | Cairenn | yeah yeah, I know |
| 06:49.37 | Cairenn | :p |
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| 07:00.26 | cncfanatics | just vimrc in the vim folder doesn't work :( |
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| 07:07.39 | cncfanatics | ty Drundia |
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| 07:22.04 | cncfanatics | ~whaleparry Fisker- |
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| 07:33.17 | cncfanatics | ~whaleparry Fisker- |
| 07:33.18 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Fisker-'s attacks. |
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| 07:57.11 | cncfanatics | can anyone rate this laptop ? http://www.dollarshops.eu/product_info.php/cPath/30_309/products_id/5733 |
| 07:57.27 | cncfanatics | and this homepc http://www.dollarshops.eu/product_info.php/cPath/26_326/products_id/6325 |
| 07:57.37 | cncfanatics | they both seem cheap for what they are and I can't find any tricks |
| 07:58.46 | cncfanatics | anyone ? :p |
| 07:58.56 | Corrodias | i haven't kept up with the latest tech |
| 07:59.02 | Corrodias | i don't know whether that ati card is any good |
| 07:59.51 | cncfanatics | http://www.overclockercafe.com/Reviews/VGA/HIS_HD3870X2/index.htm |
| 07:59.52 | cncfanatics | seems to be |
| 07:59.55 | Corrodias | is that a 4-core cpu? |
| 07:59.59 | cncfanatics | yes |
| 08:00.09 | cncfanatics | 500 bucks card and 4-core cpu in a 1000⬠pc seems, eh, weird |
| 08:00.16 | Corrodias | yeah, that seems like an oddly low-priced job |
| 08:00.17 | cncfanatics | and a fucking 1TB hdd |
| 08:00.27 | cncfanatics | same for the laptop |
| 08:00.39 | nevcairiel | its a AMD CPU |
| 08:00.48 | nevcairiel | those are cheap |
| 08:00.58 | cncfanatics | 300 bucks for it according to google |
| 08:01.02 | cncfanatics | still a quad core :p |
| 08:01.14 | cncfanatics | ofc, both the laptop and the PC have no reviews |
| 08:01.15 | nevcairiel | not like quad gives you anything |
| 08:01.31 | cncfanatics | it ain't for me, its for a friend, the laptop is for me, I'm wondering wether they're ripoffs atm rly |
| 08:01.37 | cncfanatics | seems oddly cheap |
| 08:01.41 | nevcairiel | also 1TB hdds are really cheap these days |
| 08:01.47 | nevcairiel | the only thing really pricy is the gfx |
| 08:01.48 | cncfanatics | they are ? :o |
| 08:01.55 | nevcairiel | yeah, about 120 |
| 08:02.01 | nevcairiel | for a 1TB samsung |
| 08:02.03 | cncfanatics | lemme count |
| 08:02.14 | cncfanatics | 120$ HDD, 300$ cpu, 500$ gfx |
| 08:02.17 | cncfanatics | how much is 4gig of mem ? |
| 08:02.22 | nevcairiel | 50 ? |
| 08:02.24 | nevcairiel | not much |
| 08:02.30 | nevcairiel | maybe 60 |
| 08:02.30 | Thunder_Child | however much you pay for it |
| 08:02.44 | cncfanatics | and the motherboard ? |
| 08:02.58 | nevcairiel | sounds like a noname thing |
| 08:03.03 | nevcairiel | 50-100, tops |
| 08:03.15 | cncfanatics | 150$ on the one in it according to google |
| 08:03.20 | cncfanatics | http://www.directron.com/ha04extreme.html |
| 08:03.26 | cncfanatics | comes out at 1100$ |
| 08:03.33 | cncfanatics | so 1000⬠seems ok after all |
| 08:03.40 | nevcairiel | 150$ |
| 08:03.44 | nevcairiel | that is 100 |
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| 08:03.48 | nevcairiel | give or take |
| 08:04.34 | cncfanatics | good stuff |
| 08:04.35 | Corrodias | RAM has plummeted |
| 08:04.40 | Corrodias | plummetted |
| 08:04.44 | cncfanatics | how do people manage to buy a 2000⬠pc ? |
| 08:04.44 | Corrodias | gotten very cheap |
| 08:04.58 | nevcairiel | you get better hardware |
| 08:05.04 | nevcairiel | intel cpu's for example |
| 08:05.19 | nevcairiel | and a newer gfx |
| 08:05.31 | Corrodias | that's a bit of a generalization |
| 08:05.37 | cncfanatics | well, thats a damn highend gfx |
| 08:06.57 | nevcairiel | ya its still somewhat old by now, the 4870 is close to being available |
| 08:07.10 | nevcairiel | so price drops |
| 08:08.03 | nevcairiel | and well face it, the AMD Phenom isnt the best cpu on the market :P |
| 08:08.12 | cncfanatics | true |
| 08:09.00 | cncfanatics | what about http://www.dollarshops.eu/product_info.php/products_id/5733 |
| 08:09.46 | nevcairiel | i've really no idea about the notebook hardware |
| 08:10.00 | cncfanatics | same :( |
| 08:10.37 | nevcairiel | well its a ASUS, so it cannot be a total ripoff |
| 08:10.42 | nevcairiel | check the asus page for exact specs |
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| 08:14.37 | cncfanatics | nvm, it has an integrated gfx card |
| 08:14.40 | cncfanatics | I'm not into those |
| 08:14.44 | cncfanatics | rather a good nvidia |
| 08:26.51 | cncfanatics | ouch at the delivery prices |
| 08:30.41 | Corrodias | that reminds me of this time i ran across someone violating ebay rules |
| 08:31.33 | Corrodias | he had the shipping on this game set really high, but the "price" was really low. i only wanted the cd-key, but i was suspicious, so i asked if he'd just email me the key like most sellers are willing to do. |
| 08:32.14 | Corrodias | he refused on the grounds that his shipping was part of how he intended to make money off it, so i had to inform him that it's a violation of ebay policy to "pad" the shipping cost |
| 08:32.28 | Corrodias | *rules, not policy |
| 08:35.58 | cncfanatics | well, you can go pick it up yourself |
| 08:36.00 | cncfanatics | so, np rly |
| 08:36.55 | cncfanatics | and why didn't he just put price higher and do a decent shipping like everyone else btw ? |
| 08:37.35 | Corrodias | probably to make people bid on it without realizing that the shipping was set so high |
| 08:38.16 | Corrodias | then the price gets up near what it is for all the others, but he makes an extra profit on the padded shipping |
| 08:38.53 | cncfanatics | you mean he gets extra reported for the padded shipping ? |
| 08:39.15 | Corrodias | reported? what? |
| 08:41.24 | cncfanatics | well, it violates ebay policy so he'd get reported ? :p |
| 08:43.18 | Corrodias | oh, right |
| 08:43.25 | Corrodias | but what do you mean extra? |
| 08:44.07 | cncfanatics | just a silly play of words |
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| 08:44.19 | Corrodias | oh! ahaha |
| 08:48.39 | Thunder_Child | "It takes 11.57 days to count to a million and about 31.68 years to count to a billion. After the sun, the nearest star is about 21 trillion miles. There are 400 billion stars in our galaxy and the universe is filled with galaxies. We are not alone." |
| 08:51.56 | cncfanatics | Thunder_Child: where is that quote from ? |
| 08:52.18 | Thunder_Child | cncfanatics, it was a sig on a forum post |
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| 08:52.45 | cncfanatics | its nice :p |
| 08:52.58 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
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| 09:08.53 | cnc|work | damn work network is dead |
| 09:08.57 | cnc|work | can't do shit :) |
| 09:10.33 | Kalroth | owned! |
| 09:11.40 | cnc|work | seems its up again |
| 09:11.41 | cnc|work | lets test |
| 09:11.48 | durcyn | keep us posted. |
| 09:11.52 | Thunder_Child | ~lart cnc|work |
| 09:11.52 | purl | stuffs cnc|work into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 09:11.54 | cnc|work | lol |
| 09:12.00 | cnc|work | down again |
| 09:12.00 | cnc|work | lol |
| 09:12.04 | cnc|work | <3 |
| 09:12.11 | cnc|work | and up again |
| 09:13.58 | cnc|work | down again |
| 09:15.14 | cnc|work | this is getting anoying |
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| 13:05.10 | nevcairiel | man, shadows in OpenGL = teh suck |
| 13:05.37 | Fisker- | opengl = teh suck |
| 13:06.13 | nevcairiel | not like DirectX is easier |
| 13:06.22 | nevcairiel | when creating shadows |
| 13:06.50 | Shirik | DirectX is better because it was created by Microsoft |
| 13:07.08 | nevcairiel | you still have to do all the calculations yourself |
| 13:07.16 | cnc|work | ~lart Shirik |
| 13:07.16 | purl | DoSes Shirik |
| 13:07.22 | cnc|work | ~whalenuke Shirik |
| 13:07.22 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Shirik with his mind powers. |
| 13:07.25 | cnc|work | ~shoot Shirik |
| 13:07.25 | purl | ACTION shoots Shirik in the eye with a glue gun! |
| 13:07.27 | cnc|work | ~kill Shirik |
| 13:07.28 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse anti-quark gun at Shirik |
| 13:07.41 | *** kick/#wowuidev [cnc|work!i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (Purl may be on your side, but I need no help killing you) |
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| 13:07.59 | cnc|work | boo Shirik :( |
| 13:07.59 | Shirik | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 13:07.59 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 13:08.07 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 13:08.07 | purl | Lopeppeppy: aw, gee |
| 13:08.17 | Fisker- | omg fanboy Shirik |
| 13:08.44 | cnc|work | for the record, I'm damn bored :( |
| 13:09.45 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker-, are you saying I'm Shirik's fanboy, or that he's mine? |
| 13:10.42 | Fisker- | i'm saying he is a Microsoft fanboy |
| 13:11.25 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I can't comment either way on that. As long as you weren't thinking I was the boy, it's all good. |
| 13:12.39 | Shirik | Microsoft has their flaws, but they do some things right :) |
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| 13:13.30 | cnc|work | XP was ok I admit |
| 13:13.34 | cnc|work | but vista is quite a failure :s |
| 13:13.38 | [sync] | hawwoe |
| 13:13.45 | Shirik | vista is not a failure |
| 13:13.51 | [sync] | question: Is there a mod to remove the confirmation screen when enchanting? |
| 13:13.54 | Shirik | people fail at using vista |
| 13:13.59 | Shirik | including developers |
| 13:14.18 | cnc|work | how so ? |
| 13:14.47 | Shirik | If you're going to develop an application for Microsoft's platform, you damn better well follow their rules. You can't break their rules and come back saying "hey your stuff don't work, fix it!" |
| 13:15.13 | [sync] | .... |
| 13:15.14 | Shirik | There's no reason that for eight years you've been going against best practices, and now that it's finally enforced, you go around saying "qqqqqqqqqqq Microsoft broked my stuffz" |
| 13:15.17 | [sync] | Anyone any suggestions? |
| 13:15.24 | Shirik | [sync], unlikely; that would be unsafe |
| 13:15.34 | [sync] | :S |
| 13:15.35 | [sync] | ok |
| 13:15.38 | [sync] | thanks |
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| 13:16.58 | Fisker- | i h8 you Shirik |
| 13:17.07 | Shirik | I know |
| 13:17.12 | Fisker- | my head hurts :( |
| 13:17.15 | Shirik | but Lopeppeppy will protect me |
| 13:17.49 | Lopeppeppy | And share cookies with you. |
| 13:17.50 | Fisker- | not even death can save you from a nuclear blast |
| 13:18.34 | Shirik | did you just call Lopeppeppy death? |
| 13:19.25 | Fisker- | no Shirik |
| 13:19.40 | Fisker- | it's just that Lopeppeppy can't protect you |
| 13:19.47 | Fisker- | because not even death can protect you |
| 13:20.04 | Lopeppeppy | Then I'll die with him, and we'll die happy because there are cookies. |
| 13:20.12 | Shirik | yey |
| 13:20.44 | Lopeppeppy | See? Shirik knows how to die happy |
| 13:21.40 | Fisker- | the cookies are filled with nuclear radiation |
| 13:21.48 | Fisker- | so you die in the afterlife if you are to consume them |
| 13:21.58 | Fisker- | Repeat for x afterlives |
| 13:22.15 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker-. Who's baking these cookies, you or me? I don't use the Special Sprinkles, thank you very much. |
| 13:22.55 | Fisker- | TEH NUCLEAR BLAST DAMNIT |
| 13:24.01 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah yeah. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition |
| 13:25.48 | Fisker- | i require sleep |
| 13:26.04 | Lopeppeppy | Then go to bed, silly. |
| 13:38.45 | Shirik | hey cool |
| 13:38.51 | Shirik | apparently my alt is an officer in some guild |
| 13:38.59 | Shirik | I didn't even remember it being in a guild |
| 13:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 13:39.27 | Lopeppeppy | Hacked? |
| 13:39.39 | Shirik | oh no I remember now |
| 13:39.44 | Shirik | I helped a friend create an alt guild |
| 13:40.16 | Shirik | please, I don't get hacked :P |
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| 13:41.37 | Shirik | I use VISTA! |
| 13:42.15 | |pez | I kinda like Vista 0.o |
| 13:42.31 | Shirik | good, then vista likes you |
| 13:43.07 | |pez | it has a shiny swirl instead of that hourglass thing! |
| 13:43.19 | |pez | and I haven't encountered a real problem with Vista yet, so it's all good. |
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| 13:43.44 | Mikk | It'll obviously get better as apps are rewritten |
| 13:44.11 | Mikk | I have a major beef with DRM shit in the core |
| 13:46.59 | cnc|work | Mikk: thats the reason i'm not using it :) |
| 13:48.07 | malreth | coffeeeeeeeee.....~~~~ |
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| 13:49.05 | nevcairiel | windows xp lifetime nearly ended now, hardware will include DRM features sometime |
| 13:49.15 | nevcairiel | DVDs will not be watchable without hardware DRM support |
| 13:49.19 | nevcairiel | sometime you will come around :P |
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| 13:53.14 | Lopeppeppy | Mac question. Can Mac users open a Microsoft Publisher file? < -- knows it a silly question, has promised to ask for opinions. |
| 13:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, malreth! Thanks for breakfast, darlin'. I love blueberries. |
| 13:53.34 | Mikk | nevcairiel: tbh when xp is no longer usable i'll switch to linux desktops |
| 13:53.36 | malreth | there is no version of publisher for Mac that i know of.. |
| 13:53.57 | malreth | you could run the windows version in a VM, tho |
| 13:55.02 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, malreth. That's what I was thinking. And most of the campus users can't install VM onto their system, they are straight mac people and that's it. |
| 13:55.06 | malreth | unless there is a way to export the publisher file to a more 'portable' format like InDesign |
| 13:55.07 | nevcairiel | If you dont do illegal stuff, what does DRM bother you? ;) |
| 13:55.32 | Mikk | Vista won't allow me to play bluray on my projector for instance |
| 13:55.33 | malreth | nevcairiel: it's because I *don't* do illegal stuff that I don't want DRM to bother me |
| 13:55.46 | Mikk | I'd have to buy a new projector |
| 13:56.35 | Mikk | It would probably also require me to get a new sound system if i want 5.1 audio |
| 13:56.35 | malreth | DRM punishes the non-infringer and does nothing to hinder the criminal |
| 13:56.35 | Mikk | Both the projector and the sound system is from before the "hi, i am a secure output" protocol was invented |
| 13:56.53 | Mikk | So vista will think I'm trying to copy the film in hi res mode |
| 13:56.56 | Mikk | And refuse to play on those outputs |
| 13:57.15 | nevcairiel | I dont even own a bluray drive :P |
| 13:57.20 | Mikk | You will |
| 13:57.27 | cnc|work | nevcairiel: DRM is not quite hard to hack, it mostly just anoys legit customers :s |
| 13:57.41 | nevcairiel | cnc|work: wait for the hardware support :p |
| 13:57.48 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: reading up on forum posts about Publisher/InDesign and found one comparing designers to prostitutes that both kiss and do anal |
| 13:57.52 | cnc|work | still prolly won't be quite hard to hack |
| 13:57.59 | cnc|work | everything is hackable :p you just need some time to find out how |
| 13:58.04 | Mikk | Yeah but see I don't want to shell out 3k euro on a new sound system and projector |
| 13:58.05 | Mikk | So fuck vista |
| 13:58.08 | cnc|work | and with tons of people all over the world that will try it, sure one will find out now |
| 13:58.19 | cnc|work | s/now/how/ |
| 13:58.33 | Mikk | And yes obviously it will be hacked |
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| 13:58.38 | Mikk | Unless it hasnt been already |
| 13:58.42 | cnc|work | it has |
| 13:58.50 | nevcairiel | software drm is easy to hack |
| 13:58.58 | Mikk | Hardware too |
| 13:59.02 | cnc|work | hardware drm shouldn't be too hard to hack either tbh |
| 13:59.25 | nevcairiel | depends how deep its hidden |
| 13:59.28 | Mikk | The problem is always that it's MEANT to be played |
| 13:59.49 | Mikk | The information on the disc is meant to be playable by millions and millions of devices around the world |
| 13:59.54 | Mikk | It's not some closed system |
| 14:00.21 | Mikk | It's not like an enciphered message meant to be unreadable by everyone except the intended recipient |
| 14:01.04 | nevcairiel | Yeah but the thing is, if you run a system that doesnt support DRM at all, you wont be able to play your DRM-protected bluray either |
| 14:01.06 | cnc|work | little question, what would prevent a custom device from making other hardware think its "secure" by facking a DRM thingy (given we find out how to do that ofc) |
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| 14:01.22 | Mikk | Nothing whatsoever |
| 14:01.28 | cnc|work | there we go |
| 14:01.31 | malreth | cnc|work: lawsuits |
| 14:01.44 | Mikk | Oh yeah? |
| 14:01.45 | cnc|work | yea, lawsuits also prevent tpb from existing don't they ? |
| 14:02.02 | Mikk | I buy a movie here in sweden, I have the right to watch said movie. Period. |
| 14:02.10 | Mikk | As many times as I like. |
| 14:02.11 | cnc|work | I'm not gonna go on pirate bay atm to link how much lawsuits they have against them because I'm at work |
| 14:02.13 | Mikk | However I like. |
| 14:02.15 | cnc|work | but go browse their site :p |
| 14:02.27 | Shirik | cnc|work: How many people do you think have that kind of knowledge of circuitry? |
| 14:02.36 | Mikk | Only one guy needs to know. |
| 14:02.39 | malreth | the DMCA prohibits reverse engineering for the purpose of circumventing copyright controls |
| 14:02.42 | Mikk | Then there's the internet |
| 14:02.49 | Mikk | malreth: only in retarded countries |
| 14:02.52 | Shirik | so you intend to give them out to everyone? |
| 14:03.00 | malreth | Mikk: it's spreading |
| 14:03.06 | Mikk | i know =( |
| 14:03.07 | malreth | sadly |
| 14:03.14 | Shirik | It's a lot easier to give out software than it is to give out hardware |
| 14:03.17 | Shirik | for obvious reasons |
| 14:03.28 | Mikk | If I were to reverse engineer it, you can bet your ass I would publish |
| 14:03.35 | nevcairiel | If you start selling hardware that plays cracked DRM stuff, you get into lawsuite business again :P |
| 14:03.45 | cnc|work | well Shirik, someone could make suck a device, rip it, and then put a DRM free version on the net ? |
| 14:03.54 | Mikk | that's different |
| 14:03.58 | Shirik | yes they could cnc|work, but you miss the point |
| 14:04.12 | Mikk | ripping & spreading content is a direct violation of copyright law |
| 14:04.20 | Mikk | ripping & viewing at home is not |
| 14:05.04 | Mikk | (and by copyright law i mean ye olde international treaties, not DMCA) |
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| 14:08.03 | nevcairiel | the real copyright law that anyone should learn at some point :P |
| 14:08.11 | Mikk | mhm |
| 14:08.13 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: you should eat whole grain bread |
| 14:08.19 | Mikk | especially the knobbheads claiming that blizzard owns our addons |
| 14:08.27 | Mikk | they'd benefit from learning it hugely >.< |
| 14:09.13 | cnc|work | why in the world would blizzard own our addons ? :o |
| 14:09.16 | cnc|work | can't see any logic behind that |
| 14:09.29 | Shirik | because it runs in the environment of WoW, is their justification |
| 14:09.37 | Kalroth | huh? |
| 14:09.40 | Shirik | which is beyond wrong |
| 14:09.41 | cnc|work | so, every app running on windows is the property of microsoft then ? :o |
| 14:09.42 | cnc|work | cool |
| 14:09.44 | Shirik | but it's their justification |
| 14:09.47 | Mikk | cnc|work: they don't buy that argument :P |
| 14:09.50 | Shirik | well cnc|work, I never said it was correct... |
| 14:09.50 | Kalroth | Microsoft owns ALL software that runs on Windows. |
| 14:09.51 | Mikk | "that's different" |
| 14:10.04 | Kalroth | (hint: Even WoW.) |
| 14:10.15 | Mikk | they also commonly claim that we've agreed to abandon the rights to our IP somewhere in the EULA |
| 14:10.17 | Mikk | or possibly the TOS |
| 14:10.24 | cnc|work | huh ? |
| 14:10.25 | Mikk | not that they know the difference between EULA and TOS |
| 14:10.28 | cnc|work | what they mean with that ? |
| 14:10.29 | Shirik | take note that they've never actually read the EULA and TOS |
| 14:10.33 | Mikk | :P |
| 14:10.34 | Shirik | but they do know the contents |
| 14:10.39 | Shirik | because obviously that's in th ere |
| 14:10.44 | cnc|work | abandon the rights to our IP ? wtf do they mean with that ? |
| 14:10.51 | Mikk | intellectual property |
| 14:10.52 | Shirik | IP = Intellectual Property |
| 14:10.56 | malreth | i don't have to eat cheerios to know what's in them |
| 14:11.11 | Lopeppeppy | I eat fruit, malreth. I know exactly what that is too. |
| 14:11.26 | malreth | HOW TO MAKE BREAD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMBXJ9I3pJM |
| 14:11.27 | zespri | Do I need Patches folder in my World in Warcraft folder, or once the patches are installed it can be deleted? |
| 14:11.29 | cnc|work | don't they also say that by playing WoW we become property of blizzard ? |
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| 14:11.40 | Mikk | zespri: save em in case you ever need to repair / reinstall |
| 14:11.49 | Mikk | but yeha wow will run without them |
| 14:11.52 | zespri | Mikk, cheers |
| 14:12.15 | Shirik | wait |
| 14:12.21 | Shirik | so glider was owned by blizzard too |
| 14:12.25 | Shirik | don't they have to sue themselves? |
| 14:12.49 | cnc|work | "that's different" |
| 14:12.53 | nevcairiel | glider is no addon, no? |
| 14:12.54 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:13.01 | Shirik | bleh |
| 14:13.11 | cnc|work | it uses the WoW environment, same argument as addons rly |
| 14:13.41 | nevcairiel | Its kinda stupid that they cannot stop glider |
| 14:14.09 | wereHamster | did blizz lose the lawsuit against glider? |
| 14:14.10 | nevcairiel | I mean they can ban accounts for usage |
| 14:14.22 | nevcairiel | wereHamster: i think they won, but it didnt stop them |
| 14:14.26 | nevcairiel | glider renamed and continued :P |
| 14:14.42 | cnc|work | doesn't warden detect it quite fast and ban the acc ? |
| 14:15.06 | malreth | probably |
| 14:15.23 | Mikk | doubt it seeing how many are using it |
| 14:16.17 | nevcairiel | they should just sneak new warden definitions in the game every week or so |
| 14:16.31 | wereHamster | they do |
| 14:16.47 | wereHamster | warden fetches the definitions from the server when needed |
| 14:16.47 | cnc|work | how does glider work ? |
| 14:17.02 | cnc|work | colorclicking or memory scanning ? I'm guessing its memory scanning for somethin as complicated as WoW ? |
| 14:17.11 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 14:17.20 | malreth | cnc|work: orphans log in and play your account for you |
| 14:17.20 | nevcairiel | no idea though |
| 14:17.23 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:17.34 | cnc|work | well, I know runescape glider works with colorclicking |
| 14:17.45 | cnc|work | well, it ain't called glider, but its the same thing rly |
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| 14:22.01 | malreth | so... WALL-E. Great Pixar movie or the GREATEST Pixar movie? |
| 14:22.19 | Hexarobi | plurb |
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| 14:37.26 | malreth | An example of what happens when you put Palm app developers on an iPhone: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gruber/2635257578/ |
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| 14:41.03 | Mikk | nevcairiel / cnc|work: glider requires a set camera angle to work, so i'd guess memory scanning or network monitoring |
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| 14:46.43 | cnc|work | why would it require a set memory angle if it scanned memory/network for locations ? |
| 14:46.46 | cnc|work | sounds weird |
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| 14:48.51 | nevcairiel | probably a combination of that and color clicking |
| 14:49.00 | nevcairiel | or well |
| 14:49.08 | nevcairiel | for location clicking it would require a fixed angle too |
| 14:49.19 | nevcairiel | or it cannot cleanly convert the location to screen coordinates |
| 14:49.41 | Kaso | malreth, thats horrific |
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| 14:49.59 | Kaso | They clearly havent been following apple's "pages of a book" design style |
| 14:50.29 | malreth | it's like the guy took cutouts of his UI elements, threw them up into the air, and coded them into his app according to where they fell on the table |
| 14:50.53 | nevcairiel | thats how i always design GUI |
| 14:51.05 | cnc|work | lol malreth |
| 14:51.47 | malreth | nevcairiel: but you do it with such skill! |
| 14:52.06 | nevcairiel | i usually avoid doing GUI |
| 14:52.21 | nevcairiel | i'm a backend/console guy :P |
| 14:52.33 | cnc|work | same here |
| 14:52.35 | malreth | sorry, i don't do anal |
| 14:52.37 | cnc|work | I hate making GUIs :s |
| 14:52.42 | malreth | oh... *back*end |
| 14:53.00 | nevcairiel | what did you read o.O |
| 14:53.16 | malreth | nevcairiel: nothing |
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| 14:59.27 | cnc|work | yaaay, done with work in one minute |
| 14:59.34 | Lopeppeppy | YAY! |
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| 15:00.00 | cnc|work | ~dance |
| 15:00.48 | cnc|work | done, I'm going home, cya all later |
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| 15:14.08 | |pez | waahaha, this is why AoC kicks WoWs butt - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-rl3RPC_Mw |
| 15:14.30 | amro | AoC kicks my computer's butt |
| 15:14.49 | |pez | Mine too, so I don't play it yet. :P |
| 15:15.07 | |pez | but the video is priceless |
| 15:15.07 | nevcairiel | ah that movie |
| 15:15.24 | nevcairiel | AoC will never reach any real popularity, imho |
| 15:15.33 | nevcairiel | the combat system is too complicated |
| 15:15.45 | nevcairiel | do every swing yourself is fun, but not viable in end-game :P |
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| 15:23.08 | Anaral | The AoC of UI looks like a WoW ripoff |
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| 15:25.13 | Snago | downtime sucks |
| 15:28.21 | |pez | Anaral: probably done like that because it's a familiar setup. |
| 15:28.46 | Lopeppeppy | Anything successful gets ripped off. |
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| 15:32.54 | |Jelly| | ~hug cog|work |
| 15:32.55 | purl | ACTION hugs cog|work tightly until cog|work turns slightly blue |
| 15:32.55 | malreth | harro cog|work |
| 15:34.47 | Matrix110| | AoC where females do 30% less DPS because their animation is slower which needs a few month before it gets fixed surely beats WoW :P |
| 15:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 15:35.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I've been reading other game forums |
| 15:35.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Officially provided forums, that is |
| 15:35.31 | ScytheBlade1 | EA and Funcom collectively look like amazingly incompetent people |
| 15:35.39 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:35.42 | nevcairiel | its EA |
| 15:35.46 | nevcairiel | they write abandonware |
| 15:35.48 | DMTM | lol! i joust find: World.of.Warcraft.Wrath.of.the.Lich.King |
| 15:35.55 | Matrix110| | Everybody I know that played it says the Game is in a state not even worth calling Beta |
| 15:35.55 | nevcairiel | a new game every year |
| 15:35.55 | ScytheBlade1 | And I have to question how anyone can speak poorly of Blizzard customer service after looking at either of those companies |
| 15:36.03 | DMTM | beta version |
| 15:36.21 | DMTM | but it has been released |
| 15:36.24 | Matrix110| | There is no WoTLK Beta |
| 15:36.28 | Matrix110| | Only alpha |
| 15:36.30 | DMTM | World.of.Warcraft.Wrath.of.the.Lich.King-EMUPEDiA |
| 15:36.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I heard that even the base stats in AoC aren't functional? STR, STA, etc? |
| 15:36.54 | TecnoBrat | DMTM, congrats ... if you know the URL you can download that from the official site. |
| 15:36.55 | nevcairiel | Did you look at any EA Game? They release a game, if you are lucky you get 1 patch for it, a year later you already have the succesor thats the same game really |
| 15:37.12 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: yup... I have C&C3 and the C&C3 expansion |
| 15:37.20 | TecnoBrat | The Alpha wasn't exactly hard to get .. you can't login without an account though. |
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| 15:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | C&C3 expansion was released in Feb.... it's still on version 1.0 and suffers multiplayer desynchs within 10 minutes of starting gameplay |
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| 15:37.37 | DMTM | nevcairiel i didn't know that... |
| 15:37.52 | Matrix110| | C&C3 MP isnt really that great anyway |
| 15:37.57 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: you know whats even funnier, you can desync when playing against a CPU on your own comp :) |
| 15:38.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I haven't had that occur |
| 15:38.18 | ScytheBlade1 | But reading the EA C&C3 forums is an absolute /treat/ |
| 15:38.18 | nevcairiel | i think that needs some special circumstances |
| 15:38.21 | nevcairiel | but still stupid |
| 15:39.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Between the EA forums and the AoC forums |
| 15:39.25 | DMTM | hehe |
| 15:39.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It's amazing how incompetent those companies are |
| 15:40.11 | Matrix110| | WHEN THE FUCK IS BLIZZARD FIXING THE DAMN GUILD BANK |
| 15:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | 'HEY GUYS WE'VE HYPED UP AOC A LOT, AND WE'RE NO WHERE NEAR AN ACTUAL RELEASE, BUT WE'RE ABOUT TO START LOSING FANS IF WE DON'T RELEASE' |
| 15:40.17 | foxlit | hah, fun |
| 15:40.26 | foxlit | ooze channel bug is awesome |
| 15:40.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 'Welll uh, strength still does nothing, that's probably a pretty big pro..' |
| 15:40.33 | Matrix110| | Why can everyone that can SEE the damn Tab MOVE DESPLIT EVERY ITEM FFS |
| 15:40.36 | ScytheBlade1 | 'WE SHIP TOMORROW' |
| 15:41.09 | TecnoBrat | I haven't tried AoC |
| 15:41.12 | nevcairiel | Matrix110|: so you can build funny stuff with it! |
| 15:41.14 | TecnoBrat | but I heard it was horribly buggy |
| 15:41.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 'horribly buggy' is being nice to it, as far as I can tell |
| 15:41.40 | Matrix110| | yeah fucking bullshit I gotta redo the whole gbank now |
| 15:41.40 | foxlit | kills whichever ooze you target at the end of your cast, rather than the start, ignoring range |
| 15:41.45 | Matrix110| | and i cant even see which idiot was it |
| 15:41.59 | nevcairiel | remove their viewing rights |
| 15:43.10 | Matrix110| | doing that atm |
| 15:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | haha. oh wow. |
| 15:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Big ol' NSFW warning right here: http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=123906 |
| 15:43.36 | ScytheBlade1 | How that got to four pages on their forums without a delete I'll never know |
| 15:43.56 | ScytheBlade1 | (No pictures, just text) |
| 15:44.42 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: that's copypasta |
| 15:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: it is, but it is copypasta that shouldn't have been alive for more than a few minutes |
| 15:45.07 | ckknight | true |
| 15:47.03 | nevcairiel | its kinda funny how some people go mad about a obvious BS post thats only there to get attention :P |
| 15:47.33 | malreth | http://www.boingboing.net/images/x_2008/ohthehugemanatee.jpg |
| 15:49.24 | TecnoBrat | ScytheBlade1, how retarded |
| 15:49.33 | amro | AoC: "Certainly you got your 50 bucks worth in forum fun." |
| 15:49.37 | TecnoBrat | I notice how no one there even uses the proper internet lingo |
| 15:49.46 | TecnoBrat | where's the "IBTL" |
| 15:49.55 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 15:49.56 | ScytheBlade1 | truth |
| 15:50.04 | foxlit | "in before deletion" |
| 15:50.11 | foxlit | close enough |
| 15:51.52 | TecnoBrat | foxlit, I would of settled for IBTD |
| 15:52.10 | foxlit | "the deletion"? |
| 15:52.14 | foxlit | unpossible, captain! |
| 15:52.19 | TecnoBrat | the delete! |
| 15:52.47 | foxlit | is delete even a noun? |
| 15:53.01 | TecnoBrat | I can make it one! |
| 15:59.10 | Snago | ~wowalerts |
| 16:00.19 | nevcairiel | ~wowalert |
| 16:00.19 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US), http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) |
| 16:00.37 | |pez | that.. took some time |
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| 16:00.47 | Snago | ahh.. thanks :) |
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| 16:05.34 | DMTM | how do i do to create a private game server for wow? |
| 16:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty easy |
| 16:05.50 | nevcairiel | You dont |
| 16:05.53 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.54 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) You mail your account name to wowaccountadmin@blizzard.com |
| 16:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 2) They ban you |
| 16:06.07 | nevcairiel | 3) Profit?! |
| 16:06.11 | foxlit | nev: fail |
| 16:06.13 | foxlit | 3) ??? |
| 16:06.16 | foxlit | 4) Profit! |
| 16:06.16 | nevcairiel | oh right |
| 16:06.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd accept the ammended version |
| 16:06.26 | nevcairiel | 2) shouldve been ??? |
| 16:08.05 | cog|work | DMTM: you're not going to get help from us. feel free to go to various virus-ridden pirate sites and ask there. |
| 16:08.35 | DMTM | cog|work ok... but i have find my sources... ,) |
| 16:08.36 | DMTM | ;) |
| 16:08.37 | DMTM | http://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=en&u=http://www.mmowned.com/forums/emulator-server-guides/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.mmowned.com/forums/emulator-server-guides/%26hl%3Dsv%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:sv-SE:official%26hs%3DkMt |
| 16:08.43 | ScytheBlade1 | DMTM: to give you a clear-cut answer, they are against the rules and heavily litigated |
| 16:08.59 | ScytheBlade1 | ... and linking mmowned here is a GREAT way to get removed from the channel |
| 16:09.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean, grats on using google and all but uh |
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| 16:09.30 | cog|work | /poke Shirik|AFK Cairenn Dolby |
| 16:09.36 | foxlit | why don't we just answer those questions literary instead? |
| 16:09.51 | foxlit | You go and write some code |
| 16:09.58 | foxlit | And then some more. |
| 16:10.03 | foxlit | And then some more. And then you give up :) |
| 16:10.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ... I like foxlit's answer |
| 16:10.10 | Sixen | LAwl@sbo |
| 16:10.18 | Sixen | And @ fox |
| 16:10.20 | Sixen | =[ |
| 16:11.22 | AckisWork | anyone able to access: http://www.euro.who.int/ by any chance? |
| 16:11.43 | nevcairiel | timeout |
| 16:11.47 | TecnoBrat | AckisWork, .int |
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| 16:12.06 | ScytheBlade1 | TecnoBrat: valid TLD |
| 16:12.10 | AckisWork | yah the .int was like wtf, but it came up in the search from who.org /shrug |
| 16:12.24 | TecnoBrat | ScytheBlade1, wtf, it is .. since .. when .. omg ... |
| 16:12.52 | ScytheBlade1 | TecnoBrat: `dig who.int` pulls up valid DNS records ;) |
| 16:13.07 | TecnoBrat | ScytheBlade1, I noticed now ... wacky |
| 16:13.34 | TecnoBrat | whenever I saw .int, I always saw it being used as an internal domain |
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| 16:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | TecnoBrat: which is why you don't use .int internally ;) |
| 16:16.32 | TecnoBrat | ScytheBlade1, yea, aparantly its a bad idea |
| 16:17.15 | ScytheBlade1 | .local, .lan, or .internal |
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| 16:30.56 | alestane | Anyone know how I can retarget or remove a junction point in Vista? |
| 16:33.56 | cog|work | ntfslink? |
| 16:34.55 | alestane | It doesn't recognize that command. |
| 16:35.07 | cog|work | it's a third-party shell utility |
| 16:35.24 | cog|work | adds linking options to explorer context menus |
| 16:36.00 | cog|work | http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?ntfslink |
| 16:36.12 | Tain | Or get junction.exe from SysInternals. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896768.aspx |
| 16:36.22 | alestane | Well, I turned C:\Users into a mount point for another drive. But as far as I can tell, C;\Documents and Settings is still a junction point into the actual folder used as the mount point and it's wreaking havoc. |
| 16:36.24 | Fisker- | can you link individual files with XP? |
| 16:36.47 | cog|work | Fisker-: it's a feature of NTFS but xp doesn't have any apps to do it afaik |
| 16:36.52 | Fisker- | it does |
| 16:36.53 | cog|work | it can read them just fine though |
| 16:36.56 | Tain | ntfslink is easier through Explorer if you're going to use it all the time, junction.exe is good for one-offs. |
| 16:37.13 | Fisker- | but i can't remember if you can do it with files |
| 16:37.27 | alestane | And I can't do it from Explorer because Explorer won't show the Documents and Settings link. |
| 16:44.15 | malreth | http://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshellext/hardlinkshellext.html |
| 16:44.28 | malreth | Shirik linked to that tool a few days back |
| 16:47.52 | alestane | Well, Junction worked to remove the junction point so I could replace it with a symlink. |
| 16:48.03 | alestane | Rebooting to see if IE works now. |
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| 16:53.10 | alestane | Nope, still can't save pictures or download link targets. I get "Access is denied" or "Could not open the network resource" messages. Any other likely culprits? |
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| 16:53.33 | Gnarfoz | I don't think there's symlinks in ntfs oO |
| 16:53.39 | malreth | yes there are |
| 16:54.11 | malreth | ntfs support hardlinks, symlinks, junctions, and mountpoints |
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| 17:01.20 | Shirik|AFK | cog|work: pong |
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| 17:02.54 | batrick | good luck on ur test shirik |
| 17:03.02 | Shirik | the test that I just took? |
| 17:03.03 | Shirik | :P |
| 17:03.09 | Shirik | but thanks |
| 17:04.15 | Shirik | batrick, you have experience with pthreads |
| 17:04.44 | Shirik | have you ever experienced an issue where doing pthread_create() will return EAGAIN ("out of kernel objects") only when compiling at -O2 or -O3? |
| 17:05.57 | batrick | don't think so |
| 17:06.18 | Shirik | it's so wierd... |
| 17:06.59 | cog|work | Shirik: do what you will with DMTM for posting info on making private servers, though he hasn't really said anything since i pinged you... |
| 17:07.19 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*.*@1-1-2-27a.gbdn.gbg.bostream.se] by Cairenn |
| 17:07.24 | Shirik | aw Cairenn :( |
| 17:07.29 | Shirik | I wanted to have some fun first |
| 17:07.35 | DMTM | cog|work i have found the installation files... |
| 17:07.40 | DMTM | but now GTA 2 |
| 17:07.42 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!DMTM@*] by Cairenn |
| 17:07.45 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [DMTM!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 17:07.54 | *** join/#wowuidev DMTM (n=DMTM@1-1-2-27a.gbdn.gbg.bostream.se) |
| 17:08.01 | batrick | O.o |
| 17:08.07 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b *!DMTM@*] by Shirik |
| 17:08.11 | Shirik | er |
| 17:08.13 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!DMTM@*] by Shirik |
| 17:08.13 | cog|work | ban list full again? |
| 17:08.23 | DMTM | cog|work what have i done? |
| 17:08.24 | kaiden | back |
| 17:08.26 | DMTM | :/ |
| 17:08.27 | Shirik | no, Cairenn just made it wrong |
| 17:08.27 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b *!DMTM@*] by Shirik |
| 17:08.28 | DMTM | i'm sorry... |
| 17:08.37 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!?=DMTM@*] by Shirik |
| 17:08.45 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*@1-1-2-27a.gbdn.gbg.bostream.se] by Shirik |
| 17:08.46 | batrick | DMTM: we don't like talk about private servers here |
| 17:08.55 | Cairenn | talking about private servers, mmowned, etc etc etc, even after you were warned |
| 17:08.59 | *** kick/#wowuidev [DMTM!i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (Have a good day now, y'here?) |
| 17:09.06 | Shirik | eh, I spelled hear wrong |
| 17:09.20 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-b *!*.*@1-1-2-27a.gbdn.gbg.bostream.se] by Shirik |
| 17:09.35 | batrick | epoch op fail |
| 17:09.43 | batrick | ~lart Shirik |
| 17:09.43 | purl | urinates on Shirik |
| 17:09.49 | Shirik | meh, I have too many buttons |
| 17:09.59 | Shirik | all my F keys do different things with regards to bans |
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| 17:10.16 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.22 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.27 | batrick | tada! |
| 17:10.39 | Shirik | I would like to point out the first one you said was WRONG |
| 17:10.48 | batrick | meh |
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| 17:10.58 | Shirik | and honestly I think that's a little more than necessary on the ban :) |
| 17:11.02 | sacarasc | heh |
| 17:11.02 | batrick | IRC chewed up that asterisk in transmission |
| 17:11.04 | batrick | im perfect |
| 17:11.07 | Shirik | yeah ok |
| 17:11.31 | Shirik | thanks cog|work |
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| 17:12.17 | Dark_Elf | man this new getright sucks i think i am going back to the d version, e version has caused me more corrupt zips at wowace than i have ever had before |
| 17:12.31 | Shirik | but yeah batrick...... I don't know wtf is going on :( |
| 17:12.33 | Shirik | it makes me qq |
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| 17:14.49 | batrick | Shirik: only when you use -O2 -O3 ? |
| 17:14.53 | Shirik | yup |
| 17:14.59 | Shirik | works perfectly without optimizations or -O1 |
| 17:15.01 | batrick | sounds like a bug in gcc imo |
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| 17:16.18 | Shirik | it's technically "qcc" but I think it's just gcc |
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| 17:18.14 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-bbbb *!*.*@213.42.65.46 *!*.*@213.42.224.182 *!*.*@210.212.185.9 *!*.*@64.140.40.226] by Shirik |
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| 17:18.14 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-bbbb *!*.*@202.54.185.89 *!*.*@202.141.102.166 *!*.*@203.199.11.229 *!*.*@210.187.20.46] by Shirik |
| 17:18.14 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-bbbb *!*.*@200.222.46.126 *!*.*@200.138.206.56 *!*.*@200.36.163.58 *!*.*@64.80.196.222] by Shirik |
| 17:18.16 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [-bb *!*.*@208.158.6.6 *!*@202.54.81.*] by Shirik |
| 17:18.26 | Shirik | there we go, no more ban list full problems |
| 17:18.48 | batrick | ill ban ur fase |
| 17:19.34 | AckisWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuX5_OWObA0 |
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| 17:25.32 | batrick | Shirik: where does VC++ put the executable once it's done compiling? |
| 17:25.39 | batrick | I can't seem to find it >< |
| 17:25.40 | Shirik | 2008? |
| 17:25.43 | batrick | yes |
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| 17:26.33 | Shirik | Solution/Debug or Solution/Release by default |
| 17:26.45 | Shirik | Solution being the base folder |
| 17:28.07 | batrick | ty <3 |
| 17:34.21 | Shirik | Visual Studio, huh batrick? |
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| 17:51.30 | batrick | Shirik: yes |
| 17:51.42 | batrick | I have to make sure my stuff compiles on winblows zzz |
| 17:52.54 | Gnarfoz | is it normal that the combatlog shows *nothing* for Feign Death? |
| 17:55.19 | Kirov | yeah |
| 17:56.55 | Kirov | The combat log doesn't show Feidn Death so that other players can't just see that a hunter FDed |
| 17:56.55 | Kirov | it's annoying that it doesn't show for friendly players / self. |
| 17:56.57 | Kirov | And that it's impossible to know which mobs resisted and which ones did not. |
| 18:01.38 | Gnarfoz | it shows "resisted" in the uierrors frame, but that's not quite what I'm aiming for :\ |
| 18:01.53 | Gnarfoz | they should write it out in the combatlog.txt, that is not available in real time anyway :\ |
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| 18:25.14 | DARKGuy | AckisWork: !! |
| 18:26.02 | AckisWork | DARKGuy! |
| 18:26.09 | DARKGuy | :D! |
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| 18:26.19 | DARKGuy | lol, don't scare me like that! :( |
| 18:26.49 | AckisWork | hehe |
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| 18:30.14 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 18:31.43 | Fisker- | omg Shirik |
| 18:31.51 | Fisker- | i'm stabbing you 190 times in the chest |
| 18:34.04 | DARKGuy | imba rogue |
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| 18:35.11 | AckisWork | DARKGuy: http://ackis.myminicity.com/ind :D |
| 18:35.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart AckisWork |
| 18:35.30 | purl | takes a big bite out of AckisWork's jugular vein |
| 18:35.42 | AckisWork | awww |
| 18:37.29 | DARKGuy | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:37.29 | purl | stamps ScytheBlade1 on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
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| 18:37.44 | DARKGuy | hey, I wanted some blood |
| 18:37.45 | DARKGuy | ! |
| 18:37.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not as much an insult as truth. |
| 18:40.15 | DARKGuy | yeah, considering you might be a real troll |
| 18:40.18 | DARKGuy | lvl 70 |
| 18:40.20 | DARKGuy | hunter. |
| 18:40.45 | Dashkal | 75 is kinda related |
| 18:40.47 | Dashkal | mt |
| 18:41.06 | DARKGuy | 75?! :o |
| 18:41.09 | DARKGuy | WOTLK isn't out yet! |
| 18:42.44 | Wikwocket | hax |
| 18:44.01 | Dashkal | lol |
| 18:44.19 | Dashkal | >.> |
| 18:44.25 | Esamynn | bah, post on the general forums, Blizz is currently thinking of restricting flying in Northrend to 77+ :( |
| 18:44.27 | Esamynn | that makes me sad panda |
| 18:45.01 | Dashkal | currently? That's been the plan since they announced it |
| 18:45.06 | Wikwocket | I thought that was the plan all along? |
| 18:46.13 | Esamynn | this is the first time I've seen a num attached to the restriction |
| 18:46.46 | Wikwocket | Ah |
| 18:46.57 | Esamynn | not being able to use Flight Form will make me a very sad panda indeed |
| 18:48.43 | foxlit | /point /laugh |
| 18:49.01 | Esamynn | ~poke foxlit |
| 18:49.01 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind foxlit, pokes foxlit repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:49.10 | foxlit | tbh, I have a druid |
| 18:49.21 | foxlit | It's staring at kalecgos at the moment. |
| 18:50.10 | foxlit | Considering rerolling come wotlk; even if they're buffing balance in a rather logical and awesome manner |
| 18:50.26 | foxlit | but meh, we can already avoid too much content in kittyform :) |
| 18:50.54 | foxlit | [Compared levelling speeds: I ran out of quests to reach 70 on druid, had unfinished/untouched NS/SMV on non-stealth chars] |
| 18:51.20 | Esamynn | lol |
| 18:52.09 | foxlit | flight form was a rather useful contribution - once you don't have to fight your way to quest objectives, things become trivialized |
| 18:55.55 | DARKGuy | Hmmmm, I'm quite intrigued by this: Does WoW create a polygon/quad for the text, and renders the text on it, or does it make small polygons/quads for each character and lines them up ? |
| 18:56.50 | cog|work | So... i wonder when people will start using "O'Numpad" instead of "O'Clock" for directions... "WE'VE GOT A BOGEY AT 9 O'NUMPAD! WATCH OUT!" |
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| 18:57.18 | DARKGuy | lmao |
| 18:58.25 | DARKGuy | cog|work: I wonder what you'll say when it's at zero |
| 18:59.00 | Esamynn | ~lart cog|work |
| 18:59.00 | purl | steals cog|work's mojo |
| 18:59.04 | Esamynn | bad gnome, bad |
| 19:00.28 | DARKGuy | Esamynn: is cog|work a gnome? :o |
| 19:00.45 | Shirik | yey, druid to 68! |
| 19:00.52 | DARKGuy | yey |
| 19:00.55 | Esamynn | grats Shirik |
| 19:01.04 | Shirik | I go to kara now |
| 19:01.14 | Shirik | or maybe TK |
| 19:01.19 | cog|work | DARKGuy: if you ever see any player named Cogwheel that isn't a gnome, i'd question their sanity ;) |
| 19:01.28 | Esamynn | Shirik: enjoy flight form |
| 19:02.05 | DARKGuy | cog|work: hehe, my human warrior makes cogwheels, does that count? XD |
| 19:02.16 | cog|work | kinky... |
| 19:02.25 | Esamynn | cog|work: I just did an armory search |
| 19:02.30 | cog|work | Esamynn: i know |
| 19:02.31 | Shirik | I guess I have to train 150 riding now.... |
| 19:02.32 | cog|work | human warrior |
| 19:02.37 | cog|work | never understood that... |
| 19:02.45 | Shirik | well |
| 19:02.46 | Esamynn | yah, WTF |
| 19:02.48 | Shirik | I have to train 75 riding first |
| 19:03.13 | Esamynn | Shirik: you've used Travel Form the whole time? |
| 19:03.18 | Shirik | >< |
| 19:03.22 | Shirik | yes? *ducks* |
| 19:03.34 | Esamynn | are you masochistic? |
| 19:03.41 | Shirik | I didn't want to pay money |
| 19:04.05 | Esamynn | ahh, ok, just a McDuck :P |
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| 19:06.12 | foxlit | never enough money! |
| 19:06.18 | foxlit | [and 2.4.3 isn't close enough :( ] |
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| 19:06.29 | Esamynn | haha |
| 19:06.40 | Esamynn | I for one, won't be buying any 22 slot bags |
| 19:06.42 | Shirik | yeah |
| 19:06.46 | Shirik | I was trying to wait for 2.4.3 |
| 19:06.58 | Shirik | and I'm assuming it's not tomorrow, yeah? |
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| 19:07.37 | Esamynn | Shirik: oh come on, are you really *that* cheap? |
| 19:07.44 | Shirik | it's like 50g difference!! |
| 19:07.51 | Esamynn | omgz |
| 19:07.53 | Esamynn | 50g |
| 19:07.58 | Esamynn | ie. diddly squat |
| 19:08.04 | Shirik | not to me :< |
| 19:08.13 | |Jelly| | daily moar |
| 19:08.42 | sacarasc | i don't do dailies and i have 5k |
| 19:09.27 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:09.45 | Esamynn | hell, just participating in the Fire Festival stuff got you 600+ gold, without doing the dailies |
| 19:11.22 | Shirik | but see |
| 19:11.24 | Shirik | that's increasing work |
| 19:11.29 | wereHamster | Did anyone try to estimate the inflation in WoW? I mean, for killing the first mobs you barely get a few coppers, and now you get 600 gold for doing nothing |
| 19:11.42 | Shirik | there's a difference between increasing work to gain money and doing nothing to not spend money |
| 19:14.03 | Esamynn | Shirik: trust me, I'm a saver |
| 19:14.20 | Esamynn | but seriously, just spend the gold on a mount |
| 19:14.23 | Shirik | omg I have to spend 600g |
| 19:14.26 | Shirik | .. |
| 19:14.34 | Esamynn | you poor baby |
| 19:14.47 | foxlit | It's a problem while levelling, though |
| 19:14.47 | Shirik | below 1k now :( |
| 19:14.54 | foxlit | My poor 44 cow still can't afford a mount |
| 19:15.01 | foxlit | [then again, not playing the professions minigame yet] |
| 19:15.12 | cralor | even after 2.4.3? |
| 19:15.21 | Esamynn | foxlit: heh, I just finance my alts from my 70(s) |
| 19:15.26 | Esamynn | for the big stuff that is |
| 19:15.34 | Esamynn | which while leveling is just mounts |
| 19:15.36 | cralor | 2.4.3 = 30 mounts 35g |
| 19:15.37 | foxlit | Esamynn: It's cross-faction, in this case |
| 19:15.41 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 19:15.49 | Shirik | screw that I'm not buying a mount |
| 19:15.51 | Shirik | just the training |
| 19:15.52 | foxlit | And I don't really want to pay neutral AH commission |
| 19:15.53 | Esamynn | yah, I've never gone very far cross faction |
| 19:16.24 | Esamynn | Shirik: uhh, the training is the expensive part :P |
| 19:16.34 | Shirik | but mounts aren't free |
| 19:16.36 | foxlit | yeah, but if you're a druid, it's all you need |
| 19:17.18 | Esamynn | I have NEVER, EVER, EVER, regretted the money I've spent on my Swift Frostsaber, or Swift Flight Form |
| 19:17.35 | Shirik | I still don't have an epic flying mount on my main |
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| 19:18.08 | Esamynn | get a swift ground mount, it's worth it |
| 19:18.24 | Esamynn | they cost what, 80g now with the faction discount? |
| 19:18.31 | Shirik | omg 80g |
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| 19:19.05 | Esamynn | AckisWork: and how much gold saved now? |
| 19:19.19 | AckisWork | I sit around 30k |
| 19:19.27 | Shirik | but I have nothing to gain from an epic flyer |
| 19:19.30 | AckisWork | I bought two game cards the other day so it dropped me to 30k /shrug |
| 19:20.12 | Esamynn | Shirik: you have the same thing to gain I did |
| 19:20.23 | Esamynn | the pure enjoyment of being able to get around, FAST |
| 19:20.27 | DARKGuy | hell yeah |
| 19:20.46 | DARKGuy | netherdrakes ftw |
| 19:20.49 | Shirik | paying money for "pure enjoyment" is like using a prostitute |
| 19:20.59 | Esamynn | ... |
| 19:21.02 | DARKGuy | Hm. |
| 19:21.02 | Shirik | I need a REASON |
| 19:21.10 | DARKGuy | Enjoyment = fun |
| 19:21.12 | |Jelly| | get herbology! |
| 19:21.12 | DARKGuy | fun = WoW? |
| 19:21.20 | Shirik | wow is not fun, wow is a job! |
| 19:21.26 | DARKGuy | @.@ |
| 19:21.27 | Shirik | you must conserve your funds |
| 19:21.28 | Esamynn | Shirik: or like going to the movies, or paying to play a game, or... :P |
| 19:21.28 | |Jelly| | Then! DO A BARREL ROLL! |
| 19:21.31 | Esamynn | ~lart Shirik |
| 19:21.31 | purl | turns Shirik into a lifesized tux doll |
| 19:21.33 | Dashkal | Um, it's a video game. Nothing you do actually matters.. |
| 19:21.37 | Shirik | it matters |
| 19:21.49 | Shirik | every time I die in-game, a little piece of me dies irl |
| 19:21.53 | DARKGuy | :( |
| 19:21.59 | DARKGuy | I hate pay-per-play |
| 19:22.11 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 19:22.15 | Shirik | that's an interesting way to make money |
| 19:22.17 | DARKGuy | Shirik: are you like Aethene ? |
| 19:22.20 | Esamynn | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......*deep breath*... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......*deep breath*... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......*deep breath*... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......*deep breath*...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah |
| 19:22.22 | Esamynn | ahahahahaha |
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| 19:22.28 | Shirik | make a game where every time you die |
| 19:22.33 | Shirik | you have to pay to rez |
| 19:22.37 | DARKGuy | :| |
| 19:22.40 | Shirik | cheap, like $0.50 |
| 19:22.52 | Shirik | would it make people a little more intelligent? |
| 19:23.09 | DARKGuy | if it keeps up at that rate, you'd end up being charged for every step you make in the streets |
| 19:23.31 | Shirik | it's expensive Esamynn :( |
| 19:23.49 | Esamynn | Shirik: trust me, I know how you feel |
| 19:23.57 | Esamynn | but |
| 19:24.20 | Esamynn | what else are you gonna spend it on? :P_ |
| 19:24.44 | Esamynn | certainly nothing else that will increase your enjoyment of the game more, that's for sure |
| 19:25.34 | Esamynn | think of it as an investment that will continue to pay dividends for the rest of you wow "life" |
| 19:25.39 | Shirik | but what if something comes up |
| 19:25.58 | Esamynn | like? |
| 19:26.10 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 19:26.14 | cralor | submarine mounts with an underwater city! o.O |
| 19:26.14 | Shirik | some new item that costs tons of money |
| 19:26.17 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:26.19 | Shirik | see |
| 19:26.21 | DARKGuy | pay for warglaives and pwn horde |
| 19:26.23 | DARKGuy | I'd pay for that. |
| 19:26.28 | Esamynn | Shirik: like 22 slot bags? :P |
| 19:26.43 | Shirik | I won't pay for those probably |
| 19:26.47 | cralor | from Haris Pilton |
| 19:26.49 | Shirik | I still use 16 slots |
| 19:26.57 | Shirik | only because I can make them |
| 19:27.20 | Esamynn | if you can make 16 slot bags, you should also be able to make 18 slotters by now :P |
| 19:27.25 | Shirik | oh I can |
| 19:27.28 | Esamynn | cheap ass |
| 19:27.30 | Shirik | but they require arcane dust |
| 19:27.31 | Shirik | iirc |
| 19:27.37 | Esamynn | for the cloth, yes |
| 19:27.42 | Shirik | too expensive |
| 19:28.43 | NightHawkAtWork | ... arcane dust is the easy part >.> the silk is the pita. |
| 19:29.12 | Shirik | silk? |
| 19:29.21 | Esamynn | when I need Netherweb Silk, I go farm Black Morass trash |
| 19:30.18 | NightHawkAtWork | Esamynn: yeah, its not /hard/ to get. It's just time that im either too lazy or too busy to spend. |
| 19:30.29 | Esamynn | heh |
| 19:30.31 | Esamynn | true |
| 19:30.45 | Esamynn | this is why I've stopped my production of Primal Mooncloth |
| 19:30.48 | Shirik | I didn't even realize that part |
| 19:30.51 | Shirik | screw that then |
| 19:30.54 | Esamynn | I'm too cheap/lazy to get the Primal Life |
| 19:30.57 | Shirik | that stuff is expensive too |
| 19:31.03 | NightHawkAtWork | if i had the gold, I'd just buy it, but i think it's up to ~10g+/each on my server. >< |
| 19:31.53 | Esamynn | Primal Water, I have tons of |
| 19:32.16 | cralor | what! Primal Life is like 15-20g on my server =/ |
| 19:32.24 | Esamynn | Oi! |
| 19:32.34 | cralor | Low pop ftl |
| 19:32.42 | Esamynn | that's like... crimial |
| 19:32.45 | Esamynn | criminal* |
| 19:32.48 | cralor | i know =( |
| 19:32.51 | Esamynn | what is Primal Earth at? |
| 19:32.59 | cralor | like 5g lol |
| 19:33.20 | Esamynn | too many miners, not enough herbalists, find an alchemist, and TRANSMUTE! =D |
| 19:33.54 | Shirik | primal life, 15-20g? |
| 19:33.55 | Shirik | that's it? |
| 19:34.09 | Shirik | here they go for 30-40 |
| 19:34.13 | Esamynn | O_O |
| 19:34.15 | Shirik | typically closer to 40 |
| 19:34.28 | NightHawkAtWork | thats.. crazy.. |
| 19:34.29 | Esamynn | dats insane |
| 19:34.52 | NightHawkAtWork | jesus, shirik, level herlbalism, farm trees, make a killing. :P |
| 19:35.08 | Esamynn | no kidding |
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| 19:36.25 | Shirik | primal life on the AH right now is full at 30g each, or 15 for 500g |
| 19:37.18 | Esamynn | wow |
| 19:38.26 | Thunder_Child | anyone know a way to parse a secure web page if you have the un/pw data? |
| 19:39.31 | foxlit | the answer is ill-defined |
| 19:39.51 | foxlit | which webpage, "secure" how? |
| 19:40.22 | Thunder_Child | paypal, i want someway to have realtime or close to realtime data on the account balance |
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| 19:41.08 | Thunder_Child | displayed on another webpage |
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| 19:42.16 | kd3 | doesn't paypal have an api? |
| 19:42.26 | Thunder_Child | no, and they wont allow it |
| 19:42.45 | foxlit | https is just http over SSL |
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| 19:42.55 | Thunder_Child | "hey said they cant let that infomation on any account be public.. some kind privacy policy or and security issue.. I even ask to make a new account signing away these rights and they still said it cant be done..." |
| 19:43.20 | foxlit | that last part is obvious |
| 19:43.51 | Shirik | ok so I was reviewing magic: the gathering |
| 19:43.53 | Shirik | for those of you that used to play it |
| 19:44.04 | Shirik | I didn't think this card existed, but the clarifications on rules are hilarious: http://magiccards.info/ug/en/4.html |
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| 19:44.26 | Thunder_Child | i have the entire unglued set |
| 19:44.42 | Shirik | "As official errata, clean up after yourself. [Barclay 1998/08/13] Littering is a crime in many areas. Recycling is recommended." |
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| 19:47.05 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 19:48.46 | Shirik | that's an awesome set |
| 19:51.26 | Fisker- | Shirik ! |
| 19:51.27 | Fisker- | my man |
| 19:51.37 | Shirik | yo sup mai homie |
| 19:51.37 | Esamynn | Cralor`: unless you have a question specifically for me, please just ask the question in here |
| 19:51.39 | Fisker- | just kidding, you are a horrible man :( |
| 19:51.46 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:52.30 | Fisker- | i really like where this thread is going |
| 19:53.10 | Cralor` | i was going to ask if anyone could help me make an addon that displays the current ammo a player has ^_^ |
| 19:53.37 | Cide | sounds like you want us to code the addon for you |
| 19:53.58 | Cralor` | not quite. just some help starting up :D |
| 19:54.21 | Cide | while you nod your head and say "ok", trying to give the impression that you understand, when in reality you're smiling inside at our foolish attempts at trying to 'teach' you shit |
| 19:54.44 | Cide | are you a programmer? |
| 19:55.06 | Cralor` | not as much into LUA, no |
| 19:55.12 | Cide | that's not what I asked :P |
| 19:55.20 | krka | Cralor`: Dude, it's not an acronym! |
| 19:55.22 | Wikwocket | ... |
| 19:55.32 | Cralor` | sorry, Lua |
| 19:55.38 | malreth | Cralor`: If someone asks you if you're a programmer... you say, "YES!" |
| 19:55.38 | Cide | are you a programmer? |
| 19:55.47 | Cralor` | YES! |
| 19:55.51 | Cralor` | =) |
| 19:55.53 | malreth | Then CHOOSE! |
| 19:55.54 | Cide | are you a programmer or not? |
| 19:56.03 | malreth | Choose the form of your destroyer. |
| 19:56.04 | Cralor` | Yes, I am |
| 19:56.06 | Cide | ok |
| 19:56.07 | Shirik | well, that depends on how you define programmer |
| 19:56.08 | Cide | good |
| 19:56.09 | inviso | What is your primary development language Cralor? |
| 19:56.11 | Shirik | I mean, some say I'm a programmer |
| 19:56.13 | Esamynn | ~lart malreth |
| 19:56.13 | purl | does a little 'renice 20 -u malreth' |
| 19:56.23 | Shirik | but everyone knows my code is crap |
| 19:56.29 | Cide | I'm more of a programmar |
| 19:56.37 | Cide | can't touch my grammar, bitches. |
| 19:56.41 | Wikwocket | Are you a pro-grammar programmer? |
| 19:56.42 | inviso | Shirik, is Cid still around? |
| 19:56.46 | Shirik | kinda |
| 19:56.56 | Shirik | he's doing a lot of reorganizing his life |
| 19:57.01 | Shirik | personal things I shouldn't talk about |
| 19:57.04 | inviso | ah, I see |
| 19:57.08 | Esamynn | ~lart Wikwocket |
| 19:57.08 | purl | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking Wikwocket's head off |
| 19:57.18 | Shirik | he's still alive though :) |
| 19:57.23 | inviso | Still on Eredar? |
| 19:57.27 | Cide | Shirik: your code *IS* crap |
| 19:57.27 | Shirik | eh |
| 19:57.33 | Shirik | ~kill Cide |
| 19:57.34 | purl | ACTION shoots a inverse pseudoproton gun at Cide |
| 19:57.40 | Shirik | we both kinda left Eredar |
| 19:57.40 | Cide | more of a.. noobrammer |
| 19:57.46 | inviso | booooooo ;) |
| 19:57.50 | Shirik | At least I don't code in PYTHON |
| 19:57.55 | inviso | HEY!!!!! |
| 19:57.59 | Shirik | even if Python knows sqrt(-1) == j |
| 19:58.01 | Shirik | which is good |
| 19:58.04 | Cide | coding in python is called "hissing" |
| 19:58.06 | Wikwocket | zing! |
| 19:58.07 | Shirik | IT'S NOT ENOUGH |
| 19:58.19 | Cide | dude |
| 19:58.28 | Cide | from __future__ import braces |
| 19:58.30 | malreth | more like parseltongue |
| 19:58.34 | Cide | and you're all set for your c background crap |
| 19:58.50 | Shirik | on a side note |
| 19:58.55 | Shirik | python doesn't have this optimization problem |
| 19:59.04 | inviso | haha malreth |
| 19:59.14 | Cide | Shirik: have you tried that? :P |
| 19:59.17 | Esamynn | this conversation is gold, pure gold! =D |
| 19:59.17 | Cide | from __future__ import braces |
| 19:59.41 | Cide | gold, like slytherin, like python, like everything good in life. |
| 19:59.51 | Cide | (don't ask) |
| 19:59.53 | Dashkal | wait what? cide: you can really do that? |
| 19:59.58 | Cide | Dashkal: sure |
| 20:00.06 | Dashkal | I think I just started liking python again |
| 20:00.17 | Cide | try it out in the interpreter, works fine |
| 20:00.22 | Cide | from __future__ import braces |
| 20:00.31 | Cide | >>> if True { print 'foo' } |
| 20:00.33 | Cide | "foo" |
| 20:00.58 | Dashkal | wow... |
| 20:00.58 | inviso | import __future__; del __future.braces; #first thing I'm doing when I get home tonight |
| 20:00.59 | Fisker- | i cannot be stopped |
| 20:01.17 | inviso | bah, syntax error... wtb __ |
| 20:01.20 | Cide | inviso: NameError: name '__future' is not defined |
| 20:01.24 | inviso | hehe |
| 20:01.32 | Shirik | besides, next language I intend to learn is Adad |
| 20:01.34 | Shirik | Ada* |
| 20:01.35 | inviso | YOU GET THE IDEA!!! |
| 20:01.45 | Esamynn | Shirik: why Ada? |
| 20:01.48 | Cide | fyi |
| 20:01.52 | Cide | inviso: Dashkal: |
| 20:01.53 | Shirik | The FAA likes it for some reason |
| 20:01.57 | Cide | >>> from __future__ import braces |
| 20:01.58 | Cide | SyntaxError: not a chance (<pyshell#0>, line 1) |
| 20:02.00 | Dashkal | Ada is good and bad. Good in that it really helps you write correct code. Bad in that it doesn't let you do anything "fun" |
| 20:02.06 | inviso | Cide: <3 |
| 20:02.10 | Fisker- | wanna go out together Shirik? |
| 20:02.11 | Shirik | I think that's exactly why the FAA likes it Dashkal |
| 20:02.13 | Fisker- | i know C# |
| 20:02.21 | Esamynn | Dashkal: Ada is really good for it's intended purpose |
| 20:02.31 | Cide | which is what? to add integers? |
| 20:02.35 | Cide | great success! |
| 20:02.35 | Dashkal | You gain correctness at a cost of developer speed. It's a tradeoff like any other |
| 20:02.36 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:02.47 | Dashkal | And yes, for it's purpose, it's _very_ good. |
| 20:02.55 | Dashkal | I hate it with a passion :p |
| 20:02.59 | Shirik | but when you're talking about mission-critical systems, correctness is the #1 priority :) |
| 20:03.00 | Cide | hey, python is correct and fast to devlop in! |
| 20:03.07 | Esamynn | Dashkal: correctness AND readability, AND THUS easy of maintainability |
| 20:03.15 | Cide | develop too |
| 20:03.25 | Esamynn | Shirik: indeed |
| 20:03.33 | Dashkal | `Absolutely |
| 20:03.45 | Hexarobi | i do all my coding in turing machine instructions |
| 20:03.54 | Esamynn | ~lart Hexarobi |
| 20:03.54 | purl | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses Hexarobi's head to break the homerun record |
| 20:03.55 | Dashkal | I'm able to get close enough to that for my domain with Java and good developer practices |
| 20:04.05 | Dashkal | note "for my domain" |
| 20:04.22 | Dashkal | I sure as hell wouldn't write airline control software in java |
| 20:04.22 | Cide | Hexarobi: so do I. all my turing machines contain BB(n)+1 instructions |
| 20:04.24 | Shirik | but yeah, a lot of Boeing's stuff is in Ada, so if I want to apply there, I think having it on my resume that I know it would be a good idea |
| 20:05.03 | Esamynn | Ada code is REALLY easy to read |
| 20:05.19 | Esamynn | even if you've never seen it before (but your a general programmer) |
| 20:05.26 | Esamynn | s/your/you're/ |
| 20:05.40 | Dashkal | I found it ok, but not the easiest to read. Pascal syntax has always tripped me up for some reason |
| 20:05.41 | Cide | can't beat ruby. "hey, add 5 and 3 for me, will ya'?" basically executes as-is |
| 20:05.59 | Shirik | but I mean, take the example |
| 20:06.04 | Dashkal | Probably because I learned it after BASIC |
| 20:06.23 | Shirik | int foo() { bar(); void bar { baz(); } |
| 20:06.25 | Esamynn | in its full verbosity, you generally don't even need to look up function declarations for the func calls you come across, because the names of the parameters (as defined in the declaration) appear in the call |
| 20:06.34 | Shirik | missing brace obviously |
| 20:06.54 | Shirik | in C that would be more tedious to look up which function is missing the brace in a larger block of code |
| 20:06.57 | Dashkal | That's one thing I really miss in java and lua. Named parameters in the _call_ |
| 20:06.59 | Shirik | in ada, it's obvious |
| 20:07.19 | Shirik | procedure foo is begin ... end foo |
| 20:07.25 | Dashkal | Shirik: in c, much more amusing is the missing closing paren. The errors it spams out... |
| 20:07.33 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:07.38 | Esamynn | no kidding |
| 20:07.40 | Shirik | Dashkal: It can't be worse than my IDE |
| 20:07.45 | Shirik | that parses errors IN REVERSE ORDER |
| 20:07.48 | Shirik | so I get things like |
| 20:07.53 | Dashkal | Oh god... |
| 20:07.56 | Shirik | Warning foo.c:6 and 'bar' |
| 20:07.58 | Esamynn | oh god, ouch |
| 20:08.01 | Shirik | that's literally all it says |
| 20:08.05 | Shirik | and I'm sitting here like "wtf" |
| 20:08.14 | Esamynn | hahaha |
| 20:08.15 | Shirik | and then I realize two lines down the warning message started |
| 20:08.17 | Dashkal | wts gcc integration for your ide? |
| 20:08.18 | Shirik | and this is a continuation of the message |
| 20:08.35 | inviso | I'm not a fan of Lua errors yet :( Just starting my own mod last night and it was punishing |
| 20:08.47 | Shirik | Dashkal: Supposedly it is integrated :P |
| 20:08.51 | Shirik | but not very well |
| 20:08.54 | Dashkal | apparently not |
| 20:09.07 | Esamynn | inviso: I find Lua errors to be pretty good, most of the time |
| 20:09.19 | inviso | I'm spoiled with Python tracebacks, I suppose |
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| 20:09.26 | Esamynn | maybe it's just because I've worked in it for so long |
| 20:09.32 | Shirik | inviso: you get tracebacks in Lua too |
| 20:09.38 | Shirik | just not with the default error handler |
| 20:09.41 | Dashkal | Cide: got around to trying it. what a tease |
| 20:09.45 | inviso | yeah, it should get easier as I go. Discovered swatter last night too |
| 20:10.09 | Dashkal | a good bug grabber is so very handy |
| 20:10.16 | Dashkal | I rarely have to read my framexml logs |
| 20:10.17 | Esamynn | Swatter is nice, but it needs some love |
| 20:10.23 | inviso | Any other suggestions? |
| 20:10.34 | Shirik | ~devtools |
| 20:10.34 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 20:10.44 | inviso | haha, excellent |
| 20:12.18 | inviso | One other super basic question.. Are UIs usually developed in lua directly or using xml? I see some old tutorials for xml, but most of the mods similar to what I want to make (ala Grid and Proximo) are done directly in lua |
| 20:12.27 | foxlit | both |
| 20:12.51 | inviso | Is there a good ui designer for xml that's being maintained? |
| 20:13.04 | Shirik | not really, and I don't recommend them |
| 20:13.11 | Shirik | not because I dislike xml (which I do, but that's another story) |
| 20:13.11 | inviso | fair enough |
| 20:13.13 | malreth | handcode, FTW |
| 20:13.15 | Shirik | but because you don't really know what's going on |
| 20:13.27 | Wikwocket | XML is the hard part of writing a mod fort a beginner, IMHO |
| 20:13.45 | foxlit | IMHO, your HO is wrong :) |
| 20:13.46 | ckknight | to me, dealing with the lua is easier to understand, easier to automate, and is easier to code overall compared to doing it in xml |
| 20:13.52 | inviso | XML itself doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's just tedious to do layout by hand |
| 20:14.11 | Esamynn | yah, it can be |
| 20:14.15 | Wikwocket | I find it easier to read and learn from Lua as well, one can get lost in XML |
| 20:15.06 | Shirik | anyway, I must be going to get groceries |
| 20:15.14 | Shirik | take care |
| 20:15.40 | Shirik|AFK | random question: can gcc compile ada? |
| 20:15.44 | |pez | .... :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzRH3iTQPrk |
| 20:15.51 | foxlit | I find Lua declarations for UI widgets to be... ugly as heck |
| 20:16.11 | foxlit | It's way harder navigating through that maze of unstructured calls to odd functions than through nested XML tags |
| 20:16.15 | inviso | Shirik|AFK: install gcc-ada :) |
| 20:16.21 | Shirik|AFK | thanks :) |
| 20:16.22 | durcyn | Shirik|AFK: gnat iirc |
| 20:16.49 | malreth | |pez: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLDbGqJ2KYk |
| 20:16.57 | Dashkal | ahh gnat. That was the compilier they had us use when they shoved ada down our throats... |
| 20:17.08 | inviso | yeah, gnat is another one I see mentioned |
| 20:17.30 | Shirik|AFK | I'm wondering if making our robot's AI in Ada this year would have any benefits |
| 20:17.49 | Shirik|AFK | but the core is C, but it's extremely modular (it loads so files that it finds, kinda like how WoW loads addons |
| 20:18.22 | Dashkal | wtb OSGI that can natively load in bundles coded in C and C-bound languages |
| 20:18.37 | Shirik|AFK | ~stab Fisker- |
| 20:18.37 | purl | ACTION runs at Fisker- with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 20:18.40 | Shirik|AFK | Anyway, food time! |
| 20:18.40 | Shirik|AFK | bbl |
| 20:18.42 | wereHamster | foxlit: depends on what kind of UI that is. Sometimes I like lua better |
| 20:18.46 | Fisker- | :( |
| 20:19.21 | Dashkal | UI code can be nice and readable, but that takes discipline on the part of the author |
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| 20:20.43 | |pez | malreth: awww XD |
| 20:20.52 | Atriace | Anyone know if WotLK APIs have been documented yet? |
| 20:21.07 | malreth | the API is going away in WotLK |
| 20:21.12 | malreth | so sad |
| 20:21.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 20:21.17 | ScytheBlade1 | We get a new one, written in binary XML |
| 20:21.19 | Atriace | Say what? |
| 20:21.23 | Atriace | woah |
| 20:21.24 | Esamynn | yup, no more addons, Blizz said screw it |
| 20:21.30 | Atriace | ... |
| 20:21.30 | Dashkal | So not looking forward to that... |
| 20:21.32 | inviso | what!? |
| 20:21.32 | malreth | didn't you hear about that? |
| 20:21.40 | Atriace | You're all pulling my leg. |
| 20:21.42 | Thunder_Child | you people are way behind the times |
| 20:21.48 | Thunder_Child | l2read |
| 20:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_XML |
| 20:21.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 20:21.51 | Cide | actually, addons still work |
| 20:22.04 | Cide | but they have to be written in said binary xml, and be patched in as replacements for the framexml files |
| 20:22.05 | Esamynn | damnit Cide! |
| 20:22.06 | Cide | like in the old times |
| 20:22.13 | Esamynn | Cide: QUIET FOOL! |
| 20:22.26 | Cide | oh, I thought that was public knowledge? |
| 20:22.27 | Atriace | Where's the announcement on this? |
| 20:22.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, parsing the relatively english-like lua was eating too mucb performance |
| 20:22.40 | Thunder_Child | Atriace, forums |
| 20:22.42 | Thunder_Child | where else |
| 20:22.43 | malreth | slouken mentioned it in a thread somewhere |
| 20:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | So they switched to something a lot more compact in byte size and in terms of parsing |
| 20:22.49 | Atriace | Ah... the one place I loath... |
| 20:22.50 | Cide | Atriace: they announced it orally at last year's blizzcon for one |
| 20:22.57 | Atriace | Missed it too. |
| 20:23.02 | Atriace | Sad panda... |
| 20:23.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Writing addons in hex editors is good times |
| 20:23.30 | malreth | i better start learning hex |
| 20:23.34 | Cide | I'm quitting when it hits |
| 20:23.39 | Cide | fuck hex |
| 20:23.39 | malreth | good thing to since i never really learned LUA |
| 20:23.44 | krka | malreth: If you are referring to the programming language, you should write Lua instead of LUA |
| 20:23.49 | malreth | ah, right |
| 20:23.59 | Cide | nooblet |
| 20:24.10 | Cide | anyway |
| 20:24.11 | Dashkal | Well, you are still writing lua. You just write it compiled already. |
| 20:24.16 | Cide | I think it's a pretty stupid decision |
| 20:24.18 | Fisker- | LUA's Used as an Acronym |
| 20:24.19 | Fisker- | imo |
| 20:24.26 | Fisker- | if you see what i did there |
| 20:24.29 | Cide | but I guess it's a necessity given their new "security restrictions" |
| 20:24.36 | malreth | i saw wut u did |
| 20:24.42 | Esamynn | Dashkal: right, no writing Lua in english and then compiling it, gotta write in byte-code! |
| 20:24.50 | malreth | and i lulz quietly insides |
| 20:24.57 | inviso | Disregard the fact that they could pick a language that supports run time byte compilation (ala Python!) |
| 20:24.58 | Dashkal | hell with that, I'm writing it in lua and compiling |
| 20:25.00 | Fisker- | first teh lulz, THEN TEH WORLD |
| 20:25.15 | Cide | inviso: yeah, but then you could get around the security restrictions |
| 20:25.24 | Esamynn | Dashkal: NOOOO, YOU MUSN'T! |
| 20:25.27 | Cide | from blizz_sploitz import programmatic_spellcasting |
| 20:25.34 | inviso | What are these security restrictions? |
| 20:25.39 | Thunder_Child | ~fail cog|work |
| 20:25.39 | purl | cog|work, you Fail! |
| 20:25.40 | Fisker- | gtfo cog|work |
| 20:25.44 | Fisker- | oh wait that was rule nr. 1 |
| 20:25.45 | Dashkal | ~lart cog|work |
| 20:25.45 | purl | raises middle finger to cog|work |
| 20:25.52 | Fisker- | also btw mr. cog|work |
| 20:25.52 | Cide | cog|work: gtfo |
| 20:25.54 | Dashkal | I was so enjoying that |
| 20:25.54 | Cide | ^ no sarcasm |
| 20:25.58 | inviso | haha |
| 20:26.03 | Thunder_Child | emoticons fail too |
| 20:26.04 | Fisker- | when stuff has been released then the nda doesn't cover those topics btw |
| 20:26.20 | Fisker- | except for any new developements of course |
| 20:26.22 | inviso | I've been searching the forums and wowwiki for the last 3 minutes too. Some of you need to die ;) |
| 20:26.22 | Fisker- | bbl |
| 20:26.28 | Esamynn | 8) |
| 20:26.36 | Thunder_Child | inviso, that would be all of us |
| 20:26.42 | Dashkal | To give a real answer: No, the new API changes are not yet documented yet as they have yet to be made public |
| 20:26.54 | Atriace | Sigh. |
| 20:26.55 | Esamynn | damnit cog|work,we could have gotten another minute, at least, outta that :P |
| 20:27.03 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, far more than that |
| 20:27.05 | inviso | yeah, easy |
| 20:27.33 | cog|work | yeah but imagine how much fun *I* had derailing it all!!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 20:27.42 | Atriace | After doing a far bit of searching, I'm not finding anything on the switch. Was the announcement in the UI & Macro's forum? |
| 20:27.42 | cog|work | SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE!!! |
| 20:27.54 | inviso | oh dear |
| 20:27.55 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 20:28.00 | Esamynn | cog|work: bad gnome, BAD GNOME! |
| 20:28.03 | Cide | DUMBLEDORE KILLS HARRY, GETS KILLED BY SNAPE, SOULSTONES AND FROST SHOCKS SNAPE TO DEATH |
| 20:28.26 | Cide | Atriace: yes, yes it was. don't scroll up. |
| 20:28.26 | malreth | HARRY IS A HORCRUX |
| 20:28.38 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:28.48 | Esamynn | haha |
| 20:28.51 | Atriace | wow |
| 20:29.06 | Atriace | So... yeah. |
| 20:29.15 | Cide | don't scroll up to cog|work entering the discussion. yeah. |
| 20:29.31 | Cairenn | yeah, yeah, that's the ticket! |
| 20:30.15 | malreth | i wish jon lovitz was still alive |
| 20:30.33 | Esamynn | oh jeez, I think I'm going to collapse from a bad case of giggles |
| 20:30.46 | Esamynn | I can't stop |
| 20:30.51 | cog|work | ~lart malreth |
| 20:30.51 | purl | pours gasoline all over malreth, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 20:32.37 | Esamynn | Cide: I would think that Bear would be better slow roasted, rather than toasted |
| 20:33.29 | Dashkal | ewww, I do not want gasoleine smoke in my marshmellows |
| 20:33.36 | Cide | common misconception, Esamynn |
| 20:33.55 | Cide | bear sandwich is delicious |
| 20:34.04 | malreth | that's an incredible reclass considering malreth is a rogue |
| 20:34.10 | Esamynn | lol |
| 20:34.13 | Dashkal | reclass, not respec :p |
| 20:34.26 | Dashkal | and not so much. shift you to cat druid then respec you :p |
| 20:34.29 | Esamynn | Dashkal: we wouldn't take him |
| 20:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: way to blow that entire binary xml idea =[ |
| 20:40.37 | cog|work | besides, wasn't it funnier that it went over Atriace's head at first? ;) |
| 20:40.43 | cog|work | (my comment, that is) |
| 20:40.58 | Thunder_Child | no, no it was not |
| 20:41.00 | malreth | it lasted as long as it needed to |
| 20:41.03 | Thunder_Child | you could have waited |
| 20:41.34 | malreth | even i stopped fueling the fire by then |
| 20:41.45 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: no i couldn't... that's why it's pathological :P |
| 20:41.47 | ScytheBlade1 | True enough |
| 20:41.59 | Atriace | cog: yes... funny. Especially after I realized how absurd binary XML would be. |
| 20:42.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just surprised that people accepted that it would be going from lua --> binary xml |
| 20:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | See? Right there |
| 20:42.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That right there, hhahahahaha |
| 20:42.10 | Atriace | I drinking coffee now. |
| 20:42.30 | Cide | no you aren't |
| 20:42.31 | cog|work | Atriace: share plx |
| 20:42.34 | Cide | in fact, you're drinking binary tea. |
| 20:42.35 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:42.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I picked the most absurd thing I could think of that would still be remotely accepted |
| 20:42.40 | ScytheBlade1 | And it worked |
| 20:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It was glorious |
| 20:42.51 | Esamynn | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:42.51 | purl | executes killall -TERM ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:43.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm already dead, there's nothing you can do to kill me further |
| 20:43.27 | Atriace | It's one teaspoon instant coffee, one teaspoon instant chocolate milk, and one tablespoon of vanilla creamer. |
| 20:43.35 | cog|work | see, i was the kind of kid that went around telling other little kids that I was family friends with the guy who (SHOCK) pretended to be santa clause |
| 20:43.54 | cog|work | (which was true) |
| 20:44.17 | Atriace | Did he really have love-handles? |
| 20:44.33 | Atriace | or was it all padding? |
| 20:44.42 | cog|work | Au Natural iirc |
| 20:44.56 | cog|work | s/l/le/ |
| 20:45.11 | cog|work | ~poke purl |
| 20:45.12 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind purl, pokes purl repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 20:45.34 | cog|work | test |
| 20:45.34 | malreth | that probably confused purl, but i bet it felt really good |
| 20:45.37 | cog|work | s/test/lala/ |
| 20:46.02 | Shirik|AFK | what is raid? Isn't that the stuff you kill bugs with? |
| 20:46.45 | Shirik | Next to my apartment there's a sign posted saying "Per your lease agreement, be sure to prepare for after-hour incidents. Good things for a survival kit include ... a can of raid" |
| 20:48.18 | Shirik | trying to figuer out how a can of raid is a "survival item" |
| 20:48.37 | cog|work | arachnophobes? |
| 20:48.48 | cog|work | can't they die of panic attacks? |
| 20:48.49 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:50.44 | wereHamster | what's the 'ajax loading icon' called? it has a special name, coming from macos.. |
| 20:50.53 | malreth | throbber |
| 20:51.09 | wereHamster | yep, thanks |
| 20:51.12 | Atriace | Sooo... I'm guessing that whoever of us (if any of us) manages to get a copy of the beta will do the community a favor by trying to catalogue API changes, mmm? :) |
| 20:51.30 | malreth | depends on if the NDA is lifted |
| 20:51.44 | Atriace | Oh... dude, you're right. |
| 20:51.50 | Atriace | Forgot about that. |
| 20:52.16 | Kirov | malreth - yeah, that's a good idea. There'll probably be a lot of people shitting themselves. |
| 20:54.20 | foxlit | are we expecting any real api changes? |
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| 20:54.52 | ckknight | yes, foxlit |
| 20:55.00 | kd3 | didn't slouken say they're doing the this->self transition for 3.0? |
| 20:55.11 | ckknight | that's one thing |
| 20:55.15 | malreth | i don't think it'll be as major as when TBC came out |
| 20:55.17 | foxlit | besides cosmetics, this->self isn't a real api change |
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| 20:57.19 | ckknight | I've also heard of another change, but I'm not gonna say due to NDA fun |
| 20:57.22 | Atriace | I'm more worried about any class related changes with the DeathKnight coming. |
| 20:57.38 | Atriace | Like, how are the runes displayed, and such. |
| 20:57.53 | ckknight | that'll be interesting for unit frames |
| 20:58.00 | Atriace | Ergo my interest. |
| 20:58.01 | malreth | those will just be additions to the API |
| 20:58.04 | ckknight | I've an idea of how I'm gonna do it for PitBull |
| 20:58.10 | malreth | but nothing drastically different, i don't think |
| 20:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid NDA, restricting my flow of information! |
| 20:58.33 | kd3 | rofl |
| 20:59.25 | Atriace | The nature of information is it wants to be free. |
| 20:59.51 | malreth | until that information costs money |
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| 21:00.27 | Atriace | Not in a economic sense, but in a movement sense. |
| 21:00.44 | Atriace | an*... an an.... argh! I keep missing the "n" |
| 21:01.07 | malreth | yeah... you try buying stuff with a 'movement'. i did that once and nearly got kicked out on my ass |
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| 21:01.14 | Atriace | lol |
| 21:03.28 | Atriace | There's an inherit discrepency betweent he way the digital and physical world operate in that anything can be proliferated without expense. If the real world were to experience that, the economic system would collapse... not necessarily a good thing, but if it did happen (I don't know... replicators) then the only monetary unit would be energy. |
| 21:03.59 | Atriace | woah... ok. Too much coffee... |
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| 21:06.09 | Tuller | nanananananananananananananananananab |
| 21:09.48 | Tenchworks | hmm, what is the most configurable Bar mod out there? |
| 21:10.21 | nevcairiel | trinity probably |
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| 21:11.59 | Atriace | Wow... you didn't promote your own mod, nev? I'm shocked. |
| 21:12.13 | nevcairiel | only because i tell the truth? :P |
| 21:12.25 | nevcairiel | what do i care how many peopel use my mod |
| 21:12.28 | nevcairiel | i dont get money for it |
| 21:12.30 | nevcairiel | (sadly) |
| 21:12.37 | Atriace | How virtuous. |
| 21:13.05 | Shirik | "most configurable" ~= "best" imo |
| 21:13.12 | Shirik | lua> "most configurable" ~= "best" |
| 21:13.13 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 21:13.14 | Shirik | lua agrees |
| 21:13.27 | Tenchworks | hehe alright, what mod did you not promote Nev? |
| 21:13.33 | Cide | lua> "most configurable" > "best" |
| 21:13.33 | lua_bot | Cide: true |
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| 21:13.57 | malreth | i don't necessarily want the most configurable |
| 21:14.26 | malreth | but i do want paged bars of >12 buttons in size |
| 21:14.29 | Shirik | I used trinity |
| 21:14.31 | Kirov | I use bartender 3, one of the least configurable bar mods of the current 3-4 big ones |
| 21:14.31 | Cide | lua> "most configurable" > "malreth's wishes" |
| 21:14.32 | lua_bot | Cide: true |
| 21:14.38 | Shirik | I dropped it after I realized how much it hurt my head |
| 21:14.53 | Shirik | I use bongos now, which does, btw, satisfy your requirement malreth |
| 21:15.07 | malreth | i still use bongos3 and will until it dies |
| 21:15.15 | Shirik | it's not allowed to die |
| 21:15.17 | malreth | and even then, i'll hack on it until it works again |
| 21:15.18 | cog|work | CogsBar suits malreth's wishes too |
| 21:15.24 | Kirov | technically, the most configurable bar mod in existance is called "roll your own." |
| 21:15.27 | Shirik | if Tuller stops working on it, I'll go to his house and beat him until he continues it |
| 21:15.41 | malreth | Shirik is my hero |
| 21:15.44 | Tuller | what, have you not seen dominos? :P |
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| 21:16.03 | Kirov | remind me to never make an addon that Shirik likes. |
| 21:16.04 | malreth | dominos only does 12 buttons per bar per your forum post |
| 21:16.23 | Tuller | exactly :P |
| 21:16.27 | malreth | otherwise, i'd drop bongos3 like a bad habit |
| 21:17.04 | Tuller | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.17 | ckknight | there's also Bartender4 |
| 21:17.22 | Shirik | wait, dominos? |
| 21:17.24 | ckknight | lots of options |
| 21:17.37 | malreth | i tried BT4 but it didn't do paging correctly |
| 21:17.46 | malreth | and i'm too scared to tell nev about it |
| 21:17.54 | nevcairiel | ~lart Maldivia |
| 21:17.54 | purl | hereby declares Maldivia a troll |
| 21:17.56 | nevcairiel | er |
| 21:17.58 | ckknight | lol |
| 21:18.00 | nevcairiel | damn tab completion |
| 21:18.04 | nevcairiel | ~lart malreth |
| 21:18.04 | purl | does a little 'dpkg -P malreth' action |
| 21:18.06 | ckknight | I actually had issues with paging, too |
| 21:18.09 | ckknight | but got it sorted out |
| 21:18.09 | nevcairiel | too many mal* people |
| 21:18.23 | malreth | it would probably work if i made the paged bar my first bar |
| 21:19.07 | Tuller | Shirik: dominos roughly == bongos2 |
| 21:19.17 | Shirik | ah, but I like the new bongos3 features :( |
| 21:19.42 | Shirik | especially because I've always had strange layouts like my "squares" instead of bars, and that was a pain to set up. bongos3 just lets me drag it |
| 21:20.00 | Tuller | I think I'd rather do spellbuttons for the bongos3 UI |
| 21:20.09 | cog|work | Shirik: that's about why i made cogsbar :P |
| 21:20.10 | Tuller | but I've been debating actually porting over some of the dominos stuff to bongos3 |
| 21:20.21 | cog|work | want a 6x4 stance paging bar? /cb create 6x4 stance |
| 21:20.26 | Tuller | though I wouldn't use bongos3, thus it would be pointless :P |
| 21:20.54 | Tuller | hey cog|work where's my fake action button library? :) |
| 21:21.13 | malreth | cog|work: i'll give CB a look. i always prefer new hotness over tried and tested. |
| 21:21.33 | cog|work | Tuller: i sent all my half-finished code to Maul when he was working at trinity2 (this was when all my time was spent working on the book) |
| 21:21.48 | cog|work | s/at/on/ |
| 21:22.32 | cog|work | not sure how much of my code he used, but I know he accomplished the goal |
| 21:24.24 | Tuller | true |
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| 21:32.39 | Fisker- | cog|work is cool |
| 21:32.45 | Fisker- | irl cool |
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| 21:38.26 | cog|work | no Lunessa is |
| 21:38.32 | Lunessa | station! |
| 21:43.19 | malreth | cog|work: do you have to specify a possess state when configuring an action bar (in CogsBar) to get it to swap when mind controlling? |
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| 21:43.40 | malreth | like /cb create 12x1 possess |
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| 21:45.11 | cog|work | malreth: it only has support for states provided by SecureStateDriverTemplate atm (which is deprecated) |
| 21:45.37 | cog|work | shouldn't be too hard to hack one in quickly though |
| 21:48.04 | Corrodias | kd3, did you make this NWN module, Polity? i see "kd3" as the author |
| 21:48.18 | cog|work | add RegisterStateDriver(self, "possess", "[bonusbar:5] 1; 0") to CogsBarStates.lua line 30-ish |
| 21:48.52 | cog|work | (can someone verify that bonusbar:5 is possession before i look stupider than normal?) |
| 21:49.10 | Corrodias | sorry, i don't know what a bonusbar is |
| 21:49.19 | Atriace | Anyone know the numeric correlation of integers to FramePoints in obj:GetNumPoints() ? |
| 21:49.43 | cog|work | it tells you ow many different anchor points a frame has |
| 21:50.06 | cog|work | so if you do SetPoint("LEFT") and SetPoint("RIGHT"), GetNumPoints returns 2 |
| 21:50.17 | Atriace | Without doubt, but I'm hoping someone knows which corresponds to which. I.e, 1 = TOPRIGHT, 2 = BOTTOMRIGHT ... |
| 21:50.25 | Atriace | oh. |
| 21:50.27 | Atriace | pity. |
| 21:50.29 | Atriace | I see. |
| 21:50.46 | kd3 | nwn? |
| 21:50.48 | kd3 | doubt it |
| 21:51.02 | cog|work | Atriace: then you use http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/GetPoint |
| 21:52.54 | Atriace | That index could still be anything though. |
| 21:53.10 | cog|work | what do you mean? |
| 21:53.14 | Atriace | 1 on one frame could be TOPRIGHT while on another it could be BOTTOMRIGHT |
| 21:53.21 | Mikk | yes |
| 21:53.22 | cog|work | yep. that's why you iterate |
| 21:53.25 | Atriace | 1 ~= 1 |
| 21:53.30 | kd3 | Corrodias, nah. anything with my name on it has "Kaydeethree" |
| 21:53.41 | cog|work | i'm pretty sure they're in order of when they're set |
| 21:53.52 | cog|work | though it could be essentially random |
| 21:54.00 | cog|work | but that's what GetNumPoints is for :P |
| 21:54.24 | Atriace | I wonder if SetAllPoints always sets them in the same order.... must test. |
| 21:55.42 | Esamynn | SetAllPoints lies, it doesn't set ALL points ;) |
| 21:56.08 | cog|work | heh, only needs to set two of them to work correctly |
| 21:56.44 | malreth | i wouldn't rely on the anchor points ever being set in any particular order |
| 21:56.44 | cog|work | ^ |
| 21:56.44 | malreth | Atriace: code defensively |
| 21:56.44 | Esamynn | still badly named, I say we petition for it to be renamed: SetSomePoints |
| 21:56.44 | Atriace | hehe |
| 21:56.45 | malreth | Esamynn: NO U |
| 21:56.49 | Esamynn | or maybe, SetEnoughPointsThatItLooksLikeAllPoints |
| 21:57.02 | cog|work | SetEquivalentPoints |
| 21:57.07 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:57.32 | malreth | still, Atriace, don't make any assumptions in your code and you'll thank yourself later |
| 21:57.32 | Lunessa | SetSomeRandomFuckingPointsAlready |
| 21:58.04 | cog|work | Screw "set____points".... MatchRectangle ! |
| 21:58.22 | Esamynn | ooo, oooh, I like that |
| 21:59.30 | Atriace | Well, I was thinking I'd simply do obj:GetPoint(BOTTOMRIGHT), but apparently the only way to do that is by using an omnious integer which might have to be tested for iteratively. |
| 21:59.51 | Atriace | Where's the beauty in that? |
| 21:59.56 | Lunessa | Ominous. Mmmm. |
| 22:00.10 | Atriace | Kinda like paychecks. |
| 22:00.15 | Esamynn | Atriace: that would be FAR too easy :P |
| 22:00.47 | cog|work | the problem is a frame that only has TOPRIGHT and BOTTOMLEFT points set doesn't HAVE a BOTTOMRIGHT point |
| 22:01.14 | cog|work | Anchor points are a lot more flexible than most people seem to understand |
| 22:01.31 | cog|work | You could have a frame that has its top anchored to one frame, its left to another, its right to another, and so on |
| 22:01.40 | cog|work | and they can all move independently of each other |
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| 22:02.14 | nevcairiel | a stretch frame! |
| 22:02.34 | cog|work | In my macrosequence gui (in progress) I use left and right anchors on list elements that keeps them at the same width as column headers that are outside of the scroll frame |
| 22:03.07 | cog|work | their top is attached to the last frame above or the top of the scroll frame, and their bottom is implied by their size |
| 22:03.43 | cog|work | Change the width of the header, everything follows suit. |
| 22:04.12 | cog|work | so many addons (and much of the default UI) would be much easier to maintain if more people took advantage of things like that |
| 22:05.09 | cog|work | (rather than setting a single point relative to the parent and then hard coding the height and width) |
| 22:05.12 | Dashkal | cog|work: lemme make sure I understood you right. If you anchor top to the item above, and left/right to something above top, it works? |
| 22:05.24 | cog|work | yep |
| 22:05.26 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/446/ |
| 22:05.31 | Esamynn | I wish I could anchor the top of a child frame to its parent's top, and then anchor the bottom of the parent frame to the bottom of the child, and have the size of both defined by the child ;) |
| 22:05.31 | Dashkal | this is news to me... |
| 22:05.35 | Atriace | Yup. It also denotes the size of the object implicity. |
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| 22:06.50 | Dashkal | I am so going to have to play with this. There's a view I'm planning that'll make very good use of that kind of anchoring |
| 22:07.48 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2008/07/funny-pictures-cat-from-the-internet.jpg |
| 22:08.36 | ckknight | Lunessa: win |
| 22:09.09 | Lunessa | It's ok. I'm from the internet. |
| 22:09.24 | Dashkal | I think that cat's human might have a new scar incoming based on the look that cat is giving the camera :p |
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| 22:11.57 | Nechckn | Question regarding maps in WoW... if I open the map and try to look at another region, on a few characters, it snaps back to the current area. The timing is not set, sort of random but is usually within about 20 seconds. This is not on all characters- and the odd part- does not seem to be in all areas. Anyone have ideas before I begin slogging through deactivating stuff? |
| 22:12.29 | clad|away | its an addon |
| 22:12.40 | clad|away | triggering SetMapToCurrentZone() most likely |
| 22:12.45 | clad|away | !api SetMap |
| 22:12.45 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'SetMap': CommentatorSetMapAndInstanceIndex, SetMapZoom, SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 22:12.50 | Atriace | Sounds like you have SetMapToCurrentZone() firing indiscriminately. |
| 22:13.04 | Atriace | Dangit. Beat me to it. |
| 22:13.06 | Nechckn | Hrm... and double hrm. That would do it |
| 22:13.24 | Dashkal | Nechckn: I have that happen often while traveling. Changing zones appears to trigger it |
| 22:13.49 | Nechckn | Dashkal that does happen, and I can live with |
| 22:13.59 | Nechckn | it's when not traveling that is the real issue =) |
| 22:14.18 | Dashkal | grep your addons for SetMapToCurrentZone :p |
| 22:14.38 | clad|away | or, hook SetMapToCurrentZone() |
| 22:14.39 | Nechckn | ah... there we go, will do. |
| 22:14.46 | clad|away | and print debug info when it triggers :P |
| 22:14.59 | Nechckn | damn brain is rusty... even better clad|away- thank you |
| 22:15.02 | Fisker- | cog|work |
| 22:15.05 | Fisker- | i need to go to the bathroom |
| 22:15.05 | Fisker- | halp |
| 22:15.18 | clad|away | Nechckn: it just works if you dont have grep around tho grep is easier and better |
| 22:15.40 | Nechckn | no grep on here, so that will have to do |
| 22:15.45 | Duman | hmm |
| 22:15.52 | cog|work | Fisker-: me too. you're on your own |
| 22:16.14 | clad|away | then /run local o = SetMapToCurrentZone; function SetMapToCurrentZone(...) ChatFrame1:AddMessage(debugstack()); return o(...) end |
| 22:16.16 | clad|away | that should do it :P |
| 22:17.49 | Nechckn | Okey dokey, I'll give that a shot- thank you again! |
| 22:20.42 | Atriace | lua> 1 <= 2 |
| 22:20.42 | lua_bot | Atriace: true |
| 22:20.48 | Atriace | lua> nil <= 2 |
| 22:20.49 | lua_bot | Atriace: luabot:1: attempt to compare nil with number |
| 22:20.57 | Atriace | Don't complain, DO IT! |
| 22:21.20 | Fisker- | you will be destroyed Atriace |
| 22:21.22 | Fisker- | i am sorry |
| 22:21.46 | Fisker- | you may lua mad |
| 22:21.48 | Fisker- | wut? |
| 22:21.51 | Fisker- | you made lua mad :( |
| 22:23.02 | Dashkal | lua> nil or 0 <= 2 |
| 22:23.03 | lua_bot | Dashkal: true |
| 22:23.30 | Atriace | oooOoOoo |
| 22:24.43 | Dashkal | The "or" operator in lua is such an evil^H^H^H^H handy construct |
| 22:27.02 | Fisker- | i see what you did there Dashkal |
| 22:27.27 | Dashkal | But did you like it before flying into the glowing blue light? |
| 22:28.04 | Atriace | "No! Don't look at the light!" "I can't help it, it's SooOO BEAUTIFUL!" |
| 22:28.12 | Atriace | zap |
| 22:29.08 | ckknight | Dashkal: are there new robot chickens? |
| 22:29.23 | Dashkal | No idea. I don't catch it often enough to get many repeats |
| 22:29.45 | Fisker- | Copy and paste this directly into Windows Explorer: |
| 22:29.45 | Fisker- | C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\World of Warcraft\ |
| 22:29.50 | Fisker- | ^^ how do i failed game? |
| 22:30.06 | Fisker- | %appdata% > c:\users\%username%\AppData |
| 22:30.52 | cog|work | lern2installwownotinprogramfilesonvista |
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| 22:31.13 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 22:31.58 | Dashkal | C:\Users\%username%\World of Warcraft\ :p |
| 22:32.23 | Dashkal | Good thing that laptop is single-user... |
| 22:32.24 | cog|work | D:\World of Warcraft > ^ |
| 22:32.26 | amro | i had it on an ext2 partition. k:\wow\ |
| 22:32.32 | Fisker- | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/7722647156.htm |
| 22:32.35 | Dashkal | D would be sweet, but laptop. drive so isn't large enough |
| 22:32.47 | Fisker- | Is it still only PTR accounts that get banned or do they also apply them to live accounts now? |
| 22:32.50 | Dashkal | amro: ext2 partition? Where did you find stable ext2 drivers? |
| 22:33.02 | amro | http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 22:33.05 | krka | in linux kernel? |
| 22:33.11 | amro | on windows |
| 22:33.25 | Dashkal | amro: ooo, pretty. danke for the link |
| 22:33.25 | amro | works perfectly |
| 22:33.42 | amro | works with ext3, minus the journaling |
| 22:33.43 | Dashkal | krka: Until I can actually get acceptable performance in wow under wine, I'm stuck with the winblows kernel |
| 22:34.02 | Dashkal | mind you, that's not entirely safe for me w/o jourlanling *sighs* Diablo 2 somehow bluescreens me |
| 22:34.18 | Dashkal | I can run Crysis, but not D2. Go figure |
| 22:34.55 | Corrodias | that's... strange |
| 22:35.03 | Kirov | Don't underestimate the gpu requirements of 640x480x256 color |
| 22:35.09 | Corrodias | but if it's a bsod, i'm sure it's a driver problem |
| 22:35.19 | Dashkal | It's a real BSOD |
| 22:35.37 | Dashkal | I only see it for a split-second. Running on XP with the latest nvidia drivers |
| 22:35.49 | amro | disable auto-restart |
| 22:36.16 | Corrodias | weeeell... nvidia isn't known for always producing 100% awesome drivers |
| 22:36.29 | amro | beats ati any day |
| 22:36.30 | Dashkal | amro: how? I suck with windows. |
| 22:36.38 | Corrodias | sometimes i think they release a new version every week and only 1/10th of them are a good idea to use |
| 22:36.41 | Dashkal | and agreed. nvidia is more stable for me than ati |
| 22:36.44 | amro | I suck too. I think somewhere in System Properties |
| 22:37.07 | Corrodias | control panel, system, |
| 22:37.09 | Dashkal | Well, no real need anyway. Not like blizzard is going to care, nor is nvidia likely to care about an 8 year old game |
| 22:37.17 | Corrodias | advanced, startup and recovery -> settings |
| 22:37.25 | Corrodias | uncheck "automatically restart" |
| 22:37.32 | Dashkal | Corrodias: that's XP and not vista, correct? |
| 22:37.45 | Corrodias | yes, if they're different |
| 22:37.54 | amro | oh vista control panel is hell |
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| 22:37.58 | Dashkal | ^^^^^ |
| 22:38.00 | Corrodias | all bets are off if you're using vista. for everything. |
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| 22:38.23 | Corrodias | diablo 2 probably causes a BSOD because it looks at the OS the wrong way |
| 22:38.36 | Dashkal | Oh probably |
| 22:38.48 | Kirov | run in compatibility mode? |
| 22:39.02 | Dashkal | I haven't messed with those settings yet. Seriously considering just playing under wine |
| 22:39.08 | Dashkal | I know wine has had good support for years now |
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| 22:42.30 | Corrodias | it's clear that, if you don't sacrifice enough virgin chickens, vista won't run anything right |
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| 22:46.17 | sioraiocht | cladhaire: hi? |
| 22:46.34 | sioraiocht | hrm, maybe he's asleep, loser |
| 22:46.39 | cladhaire | sioraiocht: eew |
| 22:46.40 | cladhaire | h8 |
| 22:46.42 | sioraiocht | loh hi |
| 22:46.46 | cladhaire | you could have just.. IM'd me.. |
| 22:46.54 | sioraiocht | don't want to on broadband mobile |
| 22:47.11 | sioraiocht | am watching another film, they convinced me |
| 22:47.28 | cladhaire | heh, which fillum? |
| 22:47.33 | Lunessa | Oh hai. Time zones r teh confuzelling. |
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| 22:50.51 | Cairenn | guys - what all does Warden scan for? I know it scans for things that are running at the same time as WoW, but does it scan for things that aren't active at the same time? |
| 22:51.09 | zespri_work | this wardern stuff, does it scan your disc too or only memory? |
| 22:51.21 | Corrodias | i think the only people who know for sure work at Blizzard and probably can't say |
| 22:51.23 | zespri_work | lol |
| 22:51.29 | Cairenn | (feel free to answer in here even though I said I'm afk - I'm just asking for someone else) |
| 22:51.31 | zespri_work | thank you |
| 22:51.40 | Dashkal | Unless I'm mistaken it reads all windows and processes, hashes the names, then sends the _hashes_ back for checking |
| 22:52.00 | Nechckn | cladhaire et all... it's not doing it now! damn thing.. trying to activate all the mods to get it to "act up" hehehe |
| 22:52.23 | cladhaire | Nechckn: hehe :P |
| 22:52.31 | Nechckn | firgures, right |
| 22:52.32 | Dashkal | Been some time since I've look at that evil piece of spyware... |
| 22:53.11 | Fisker- | Cairenn no |
| 22:53.42 | Fisker- | The interaction it does outside WoW's memory space is checking the list of processes active |
| 22:56.30 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Read this: http://www.rootkit.com/blog.php?newsid=358 Basically Warden looks at everything in RAM. EVERYTHING. |
| 22:58.23 | zespri_work | when you reload UI do SV get saved, or only when you exit WoW? |
| 22:58.33 | Nechckn | well... it would really have to in order to find "bad stuff" otherwise you could do alot- ala glider |
| 22:58.43 | Nechckn | zespri both |
| 22:59.07 | zespri_work | thank you |
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| 23:00.45 | Esamynn | zespri_work: SV are saved at a UI reload, and when you log out from the game world (either by exiting or to the char select screen) |
| 23:00.49 | Fisker- | Lunessa FUD |
| 23:01.04 | Esamynn | they are also saved if you are DC'd (ie, back to the login screen) |
| 23:01.05 | Lunessa | Fisker-: True Story. |
| 23:01.15 | Fisker- | no |
| 23:01.21 | Dashkal | Nothing FUD about it, that's what that thing does |
| 23:01.37 | Fisker- | There is actually software designed to monitor Warden |
| 23:01.47 | Fisker- | It does nothing but finding processes names |
| 23:01.51 | Fisker- | that is all |
| 23:02.00 | Fisker- | It does not read EVERYTHING in the RAM |
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| 23:02.36 | Dashkal | It reads snippets from each process. It does not (nor does the article claim it does) send those snippets to blizzard without hashing first. In that regard it isn't telling blizzard what you're doing |
| 23:02.45 | Dashkal | That would have them in prison pretty quick if they had |
| 23:02.54 | Fisker- | Dashkal monitoring software says otherwise |
| 23:03.08 | Fisker- | Read up on the governor |
| 23:03.09 | Dashkal | Fisker-: did you write the monitoring software? |
| 23:03.15 | Dashkal | or audit its source? |
| 23:03.26 | Fisker- | Even the developer says that the only thing it monitors is the process names |
| 23:03.30 | ckknight | governor monitors warden |
| 23:03.37 | Fisker- | Dashkal did you factcheck on your article? |
| 23:03.43 | Dashkal | if not, don't trust it above or below any other article online |
| 23:03.43 | Fisker- | My source is as good as yours |
| 23:03.50 | Fisker- | if not better |
| 23:03.58 | Fisker- | the source code is even available if you want |
| 23:04.14 | Dashkal | I'm not able to audit it myself. I lack the windows knwoledge to do so |
| 23:04.15 | Esamynn | Dashkal: if itz on teh interwebz, it must be tru! |
| 23:04.21 | Dashkal | heh |
| 23:04.30 | Dashkal | that's old news. Wikipedia is the gospel truth! |
| 23:05.03 | Esamynn | amen |
| 23:05.53 | ScytheBlade1 | And binary XML is the future. |
| 23:06.09 | ckknight | ScytheBlade1: quiet, you |
| 23:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | :| |
| 23:06.41 | Dashkal | btw: that was meant to be taken as a challenge. If anybody here can actually audit warden I'd much appreciate it :p |
| 23:06.43 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 23:06.44 | Dashkal | erm, governor |
| 23:07.01 | Lunessa | Oh hai? I can haz OS written in PERL? KTHKBAI |
| 23:07.11 | Fisker- | That's lolcode |
| 23:07.12 | Fisker- | :< |
| 23:07.15 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the question exactly? Or rather the origin of this conversation? |
| 23:07.23 | Fisker- | [00:50:45] <@Cairenn> guys - what all does Warden scan for? I know it scans for things that are running at the same time as WoW, but does it scan for things that aren't active at the same time? |
| 23:07.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Process names and... that's really it |
| 23:07.43 | Fisker- | exactly |
| 23:07.52 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: I posed the challenge of actually looking over governor's source to see if it's accurate |
| 23:08.06 | Dashkal | if so, I'll start trusting it over other reports I've seen (as it is I trust none) |
| 23:08.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, gotcha |
| 23:08.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It makes sense |
| 23:08.09 | Fisker- | I pose the challenge of you factchecking the mentioned article |
| 23:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | s/It/That/ |
| 23:08.15 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 23:08.20 | Dashkal | Fisker-: see my disclaimer :p |
| 23:08.30 | Fisker- | I disagree |
| 23:09.44 | Dashkal | I'd love to factcheck the article :p But as I mentioned, I lack the expertise to actually audit warden myself |
| 23:09.58 | Fisker- | i'll go sleep instead |
| 23:10.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd go poking, but to be honest, I'm more afraid of being banned for poking at the wrong stuff than I think I'd find anything contradictory. |
| 23:11.01 | Dashkal | Given Blizzard's "novel" view of how IP law works, I really don't trust them to "allow" me to read anything in my own RAM with their software running |
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| 23:11.43 | Dashkal | I'd rather deal with cheaters than have to effectively give up control of my PC to them |
| 23:12.06 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, memory isn't the problem. ctrl+scroll lock, scroll lock. |
| 23:12.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Insta BSOD, complete memory dump. |
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| 23:12.39 | Dashkal | of which they would claim copyright over the portion belonging to their process |
| 23:12.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but you draw the line somewhere |
| 23:13.00 | Fisker- | they are already claiming copyright in the glider case |
| 23:13.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not worried about dissecting memory dumps I have written on my hard drive |
| 23:13.08 | Dashkal | Fisker-: that's what I'm refering to |
| 23:13.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I /am/ concerned about reading their processes as they're running |
| 23:13.14 | Dashkal | And I hope they lose that case |
| 23:13.14 | Fisker- | which is insane |
| 23:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc266483.aspx |
| 23:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, afk |
| 23:13.30 | Dashkal | Find another way to block glider. Using copyright claims is bullshit |
| 23:13.31 | Fisker- | Basically they could just as well sue Microsoft |
| 23:13.50 | Fisker- | zomg windows is copying our game in teh rams |
| 23:14.07 | Corrodias | things running on your system are free for anything on your system to look at |
| 23:14.18 | Dashkal | Corrodias: better hope glider wins that case then |
| 23:14.25 | Dashkal | cause blizzard is arguing otherwise |
| 23:14.39 | Fisker- | It's just one of the points |
| 23:14.48 | Dashkal | It's the one I want to see fail |
| 23:14.50 | Fisker- | Blizzard could still win the case but lose on the copyright part |
| 23:14.56 | Fisker- | which they'll hopefully do :P |
| 23:14.59 | Dashkal | That would be fine |
| 23:15.13 | Dashkal | glider is cheating, no question. But like I said, I'd prefer the bots to blizzard "owning" that portion of my ram |
| 23:15.13 | Corrodias | whether your .exe is copyrighted or not, there's nothing wrong with looking at copyrighted material |
| 23:15.33 | Dashkal | Corrodias: they are arguing that it is "distribution" and this subject to copyright law for you to read that ram |
| 23:15.52 | Corrodias | well, they're wrong about that, so i have little doubt it'll get tossed out |
| 23:16.00 | Fisker- | you never know |
| 23:16.18 | Dashkal | That's what scares me. Judges have shown themselves inept when it comes to computer technology |
| 23:16.20 | Fisker- | governments seem to be taking it up the asses about copyright cases these days |
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| 23:16.36 | Fisker- | Not that long time ago they blocked the pirate bay |
| 23:16.41 | Fisker- | even though it's illegal to do so |
| 23:16.57 | Atriace | I've got a question... |
| 23:17.00 | Atriace | lua> i = 1; while i or 3 <= 2 do; print(i); i = i + 1; end |
| 23:17.00 | lua_bot | Atriace: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ';' |
| 23:17.05 | Atriace | err. |
| 23:17.11 | Atriace | lua> i = 1; while i or 3 <= 2 do print(i); i = i + 1; end |
| 23:17.16 | lua_bot | Atriace: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 7... (result truncated) |
| 23:17.16 | Fisker- | as if |
| 23:17.18 | Atriace | Somebody care to explain that? |
| 23:17.29 | Atriace | I don't see how it could get past 3 |
| 23:17.45 | Corrodias | while (i) or (3 <= 2) |
| 23:18.04 | Dashkal | I think he's after while (i or 3) <= 2 |
| 23:18.07 | Corrodias | or... while (i or 3) (which always returns 3, no?) <= 2 |
| 23:18.12 | Dashkal | and / or have very low precidence |
| 23:18.12 | Atriace | Dashkal is right. |
| 23:18.26 | Corrodias | i or 3 always evals to 3, if i'm not mistaken |
| 23:18.35 | Atriace | lua> i = 1; while (i or 3) <= 2 do print(i); i = i + 1; end |
| 23:18.35 | lua_bot | Atriace: 1, 2 |
| 23:18.36 | Dashkal | lua> i = 4; print(i or 3); |
| 23:18.36 | lua_bot | Dashkal: 4 |
| 23:18.45 | Corrodias | i guess it doesn't |
| 23:18.49 | Atriace | Thanks, Dashkal. |
| 23:18.51 | Dashkal | you're thinking and |
| 23:19.06 | Corrodias | i am. thanks |
| 23:25.46 | Atriace | What the- |
| 23:26.04 | p3lim | Wowi down? |
| 23:26.09 | Atriace | SetAllPoints created 1 POINT!? |
| 23:26.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (n=Dark_Elf@ip107.net253.mw.net) |
| 23:27.05 | Dashkal | !api SetAllPoints |
| 23:27.05 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'SetAllPoints'. |
| 23:27.09 | Dashkal | ~api SetAllPoints |
| 23:27.10 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetAllPoints |
| 23:27.19 | Dashkal | what's it called? |
| 23:27.39 | Atriace | obj:SetAllPoints() |
| 23:27.49 | cladhaire | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetAllPoints |
| 23:28.00 | Dashkal | durr, on the widget |
| 23:28.06 | cladhaire | the !api command doesn't do a fuzzy match on the wow stuff right now. |
| 23:28.06 | cladhaire | :P |
| 23:29.30 | p3lim | anyone know whats up with wowinterface.com right now? |
| 23:29.35 | p3lim | I cant get it up |
| 23:30.04 | Atriace | works for me |
| 23:30.06 | Esamynn | p3lim: working fine for me |
| 23:30.07 | Dashkal | p3lim: wowinterface.com loads for me (using DSL in Vancouver, BC) |
| 23:30.16 | p3lim | odd |
| 23:30.36 | Atriace | Are you using a proxy, p3lim? |
| 23:30.43 | p3lim | Atriace: no |
| 23:31.26 | p3lim | Just doesnt work, tried restarting firefox, cleaning up cache etc |
| 23:32.05 | |pez | :D http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/10/funny-pictures-restore-session-yn/ |
| 23:32.26 | p3lim | ^_^ |
| 23:32.36 | p3lim | 'The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.' |
| 23:35.18 | |pez | ... 0.o |
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| 23:39.12 | p3lim | works now tho |
| 23:40.20 | *** join/#wowuidev QQngsk (n=Gngsk@c-68-55-245-105.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 23:45.29 | Lunessa | cog|away: correlationisnotcausation |
| 23:53.13 | Shirik | p3lim: are you still having problems? |
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| 23:59.55 | Nechckn | clad|sleep et al... looks like WoWHeads, WoWReader was the one spamming setmaptocurrentzone |
