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| 00:01.39 | Codexius | oh. and missing a then in front of male |
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| 00:14.59 | Kaso | I was in my local borders today, they had clad/cogs book |
| 00:15.18 | Kaso | didnt have any books on objc which was what i was actually looking for though! |
| 00:16.31 | Kaso | So from this i can conclude, wow is more popular than macs |
| 00:17.23 | bleeter | hah, I has Wine WoW on open source video drivers.... looks like complete crap due to total absence of any 3D... but it's working ;) |
| 00:17.43 | Kaso | no 3d? how does that work |
| 00:17.54 | bleeter | very badly lol |
| 00:18.05 | Kaso | screenshot? |
| 00:18.42 | bleeter | iirc, it's all fake 3d stuff to merely fool apps to thinking the display is 3D capable, for further driver development ;)( |
| 00:19.11 | bleeter | i'll try and get a screen hehe |
| 00:19.33 | bleeter | tho I think I just locked it hard :( |
| 00:19.46 | bleeter | an awful lot of disk IO going on |
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| 00:20.57 | bleeter | ugh, that'd be right... prelinking started about 5 seconds after I launched WoW... dangit |
| 00:25.24 | Yssaril | anyone have the russian globalstrings.lua? |
| 00:27.34 | bleeter | hmmm, still having the radeon and drm modules loaded prolly didn't help much |
| 00:31.51 | bleeter | weeeee, now it's all a loverly shade of pink |
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| 00:36.16 | bleeter | ladies and germs, I give you all the first (afaik) screens of WoW under open source video drivers! http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh56/kantankerus/WoW/opensourcevideodriversrock.png |
| 00:36.42 | Kaso | hah |
| 00:36.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I sense a hint of sarcasm |
| 00:36.56 | Kaso | but the game is still running behind that? pretty cool |
| 00:37.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey check that, I was right |
| 00:37.20 | bleeter | if I waggle the mouse around, the whole pink vanishes, replaced by black screen with pink where the input boces are |
| 00:37.26 | bleeter | boxes |
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| 00:48.06 | Hexarobi | how do i hook into the CHAT_MSG_ADDON event? ive tried hooking into a chatframe event but it doesnt seem to be triggering on chat_msg_addon |
| 00:48.29 | Iriel | Set up your own frame with an OnEvent |
| 00:48.35 | Iriel | and register it |
| 00:48.52 | Hexarobi | ive got my own chatframe, is that what i want? |
| 00:49.11 | Hexarobi | i had it working intercepting regular chats, now im trying to make it work with chat_msg_addon |
| 00:50.08 | Iriel | What do you mean by 'intercept? |
| 00:50.30 | Hexarobi | the addon would send tell's and parse incoming tells |
| 00:50.44 | Hexarobi | now its sending silent SendAddonMessages |
| 00:50.50 | Hexarobi | but not recieving anything |
| 00:51.06 | Hexarobi | aparantly the event im using doesnt work for addon messages |
| 00:51.39 | Iriel | CHAT_MSG_ADDON? |
| 00:51.44 | Iriel | Have you got DevTools installed? |
| 00:51.48 | Hexarobi | no |
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| 00:52.06 | Iriel | Install it, then check with /dtevents that you're actually getting addon events |
| 00:52.15 | Hexarobi | k |
| 00:52.17 | Hexarobi | thanks |
| 00:52.21 | Hexarobi | ill letcha know |
| 00:57.08 | Hexarobi | anybody wanna help debug a chess addon? |
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| 01:03.15 | Hexarobi | the CHAT_ADDON_MSG seems to be coming thru, but its not triggering my event handler |
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| 01:03.39 | Hexarobi | im using function ChatFrame_OnEvent() |
| 01:03.56 | Hexarobi | what should i be using instead to catch addon messages? |
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| 01:04.13 | turdfurgenson | Hello, I'm selling my world of warcraft level 70 night elf |
| 01:04.14 | turdfurgenson | priest. Asking 50 dollars. It is an active account. |
| 01:04.16 | turdfurgenson | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Andorhal&n=Thust |
| 01:04.19 | turdfurgenson | Does anyone want to buy? |
| 01:04.25 | Kaso | noone here turdfurgenson |
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| 01:04.31 | Kaso | leave now i suggest |
| 01:04.40 | Kaso | hah or that |
| 01:04.44 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 01:05.10 | Kaso | Hexarobi you should be registering the event yourself and making a handler of your own |
| 01:05.13 | bleeter | Thelyn/me facepalms |
| 01:05.28 | bleeter | wth, where'd those extra chars come from??? |
| 01:06.13 | Hexarobi | kaso, do you know of an addon i could look at that does it? |
| 01:07.42 | Kaso | Most? / any |
| 01:07.49 | Kaso | ~faraframes |
| 01:07.49 | purl | faraframes is a rather good tutorial of basic wow frames creation using XML, it can be found at http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ |
| 01:08.06 | Kaso | that tutorials a bit old but it covers the basics of frames based addons |
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| 01:08.47 | Hexarobi | i make my own frame and hook into its on event, but its a chatframe, and chatframes onevent doesnt seem to be triggered by CHAT_MSG_ADDON |
| 01:09.06 | Hexarobi | so i need to hook some other kind of frame? |
| 01:09.42 | Hexarobi | i have it working reading regular chat, just not CHAT_ADDON_MSG's or whatever |
| 01:10.21 | Kaso | the chat frame doesnt use chat_msg_addon |
| 01:10.35 | Hexarobi | what kind of frame does |
| 01:10.56 | Kaso | You need to 1) create a frame 2) give that frame an "OnEvent" handler, 3) Do frame:RegisterEvent("CHAT_MSG_ADDON") |
| 01:10.57 | Kaso | done |
| 01:16.25 | Yssaril | anyone have a problem with this string.gsub ("%s slain: %d/%d", "%%%d*$*.", function(s) s = string.gsub(s, "%d%$", ''); local repl; if s == '%s' then return "(.+)" elseif s == '%d' then return '(%d+)' end ;return error(s..' is not accounted for') end) its to change format patterns into capture patterns? |
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| 01:27.19 | Kaso | kick-ass, fixed my lvm problem, didnt loose any data, all is good |
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| 01:41.14 | bleeter | Kaso: awesomeness. lvm's a pain when it goes south and there's no backups of the layouts etc. |
| 01:41.20 | bleeter | well, was last time I had to deal with it |
| 01:41.25 | kd3 | yes, yes it is |
| 01:46.02 | Kaso | i question fedora's wont to give users LVM setups by default |
| 01:46.14 | Kaso | seems unnecessary hassle |
| 01:52.52 | bleeter | just as much a hassle when it's all straight ext3 and you run out of disk space in $HOME/pr0n and buy another drive and want to extend your $HOME etc. |
| 01:53.53 | bleeter | i certainly don't like that it's forced, though, I'll agree there. For small systems, it's a bit overkill ;) |
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| 02:10.51 | kd3 | gah. liferea bugging out and burning 100% cpu after a while's getting annoying, but I'm too lazy to start googling into it |
| 02:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: enable old data deletion... only way |
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| 03:59.41 | Codexius | "-> .. ( UnitSex("target")==3 and "Female " or ( UnitSex("target")==2 and "Male " or " " ) ) .. UnitLevel ("target") .. " ".. ( UnitIsPlusMob("target") and "elite " or "" ) .. UnitName("target")); |
| 03:59.50 | Codexius | where the HECK is the missing bracket? |
| 03:59.59 | Codexius | near "target" |
| 04:04.14 | Codexius | i dont get it, it evens out with 9 ( ands 9 ) |
| 04:04.20 | Codexius | yet it says expected ) |
| 04:04.45 | quoin | it has one extra at the end |
| 04:05.18 | Codexius | hmm |
| 04:05.27 | Codexius | god, i hate compilers |
| 04:05.44 | kd3 | it's doing exactly what you tell it to |
| 04:05.49 | Codexius | eek, reloaded my ui and wow mem crashed |
| 04:07.11 | kd3 | and good grief... a freaking football score. 17-18 marlins-rockies. what the hell? |
| 04:07.28 | Codexius | quoin: same error, removed the one at the end |
| 04:07.36 | kd3 | what's the whole line? |
| 04:07.50 | Codexius | should i paste it in here or in pst? |
| 04:07.54 | kd3 | pastey |
| 04:07.56 | quoin | well then no idea |
| 04:08.02 | Codexius | NovaWatch_SendAnnouncement(NOVAWATCH.ANNOUNCESCAST,NOVAWATCH.ANNOUNCEPCAST,NOVAWATCH.ANNOUNCERCAST,NOVAWATCH_SPELL .. "-> .. ( UnitSex("target")==3 and "Female " or ( UnitSex("target")==2 and "Male " or " " ) ) .. UnitLevel ("target") .. " ".. ( UnitIsPlusMob("target") and "elite " or "" ) .. UnitName("target"); |
| 04:08.36 | Codexius | i ran it through a c file i made that pops braces onto stacks and see if they even out, and it.. should |
| 04:08.40 | kd3 | readd that last ) to the UnitName("target") call. |
| 04:08.50 | kd3 | gvim's saying they match |
| 04:09.04 | Codexius | what is gvim? |
| 04:09.31 | kd3 | text editor |
| 04:09.39 | kd3 | used for programming |
| 04:09.47 | Codexius | oh ok |
| 04:09.50 | Codexius | im getting still ')' expected near 'target' |
| 04:10.02 | Codexius | the last "); is not colored like it should be |
| 04:10.06 | Codexius | in my eidot |
| 04:10.08 | Codexius | editor |
| 04:10.49 | kd3 | oh, you're missing a quote |
| 04:10.51 | Codexius | oh |
| 04:10.54 | Codexius | i think i found it |
| 04:10.55 | kd3 | "-> |
| 04:10.59 | Codexius | no, dont think im missing a quote |
| 04:11.07 | Codexius | i have a double paranthesis after male |
| 04:11.22 | Codexius | oh |
| 04:11.23 | Codexius | sec |
| 04:11.46 | Codexius | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.51 | kd3 | yes |
| 04:11.57 | kd3 | adding that quote works for me |
| 04:12.03 | Codexius | <3 |
| 04:12.07 | Codexius | me love you long time |
| 04:12.22 | kd3 | if the parens match, that's your next place to start looking |
| 04:12.34 | Codexius | the quotes? |
| 04:12.40 | kd3 | ya |
| 04:12.42 | Codexius | thx <3 |
| 04:12.57 | Codexius | why cant the compiler spit out a "expected " " |
| 04:13.01 | Codexius | :( |
| 04:13.25 | kd3 | because as far as the compiler's concerned, you started a string but didn't end it. you can have all the valid code you want inside a string and the compiler still sees a string |
| 04:13.39 | Codexius | oh right |
| 04:13.53 | Codexius | silly me |
| 04:14.23 | Codexius | wow, i fell in lava in BRD.... and died of fall damage ? |
| 04:14.42 | kd3 | the lava's not all that deep, there are some pretty big falls |
| 04:14.52 | Codexius | true |
| 04:15.09 | Codexius | should at least sink me to the bottom :) |
| 04:15.27 | Codexius | doing a solo dark iron smelt run/ |
| 04:15.31 | Codexius | make some biznicks scopes |
| 04:17.27 | Codexius | kd3, thanks for the help btw, i know its not some grand programming problem |
| 04:17.51 | kd3 | no worries |
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| 04:23.35 | Codexius | hey Mike-N-Go |
| 04:23.38 | Tekkub | wewt, time to try my wine 4bears |
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| 04:29.07 | Mike-N-Go | Codexius: |
| 04:30.17 | Shirik|AFK | ScytheBlade1? |
| 04:30.25 | *** mode/#WoWUIDev [+o Shirik|AFK] by ChanServ |
| 04:31.14 | Codexius | yea Mike-N-Go? |
| 04:31.53 | Mike-N-Go | You said hello to me. |
| 04:32.02 | Codexius | and you didnt say anything back :P |
| 04:32.14 | Shirik | hi Codexius |
| 04:32.18 | Codexius | lol hi Shirik |
| 04:33.29 | Mike-N-Go | You do know that 6 minutes is not long in the time of IRC? |
| 04:33.50 | Codexius | sorry? |
| 04:34.06 | Mike-N-Go | I accept that. |
| 04:39.58 | Shirik | sorry Mike-N-Go |
| 04:40.19 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: I accept that, too. |
| 04:40.26 | Shirik | ~apologize Mike-N-Go |
| 04:40.31 | Shirik | ~sorry Mike-N-Go |
| 04:40.32 | purl | ACTION apologizes to Mike-N-Go |
| 04:40.58 | Thelyna | hm ... WoWWiki says that UnitDebuff only returns non-nil values for duration/timeleft if the debuff was cast by the player - does that mean I can't use UnitDebuff to get the time left on a boss-applied debuff on a player? |
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| 04:42.07 | Shirik | you can |
| 04:42.17 | Shirik | but that wouldn't be the function to use |
| 04:42.24 | Thelyna | oh? |
| 04:42.49 | Shirik | you want GetPlayerBuff |
| 04:44.01 | Thelyna | and then GetPlayerBuffTimeLeft |
| 04:45.11 | Thelyna | hm, that doesn't give me the buff/debuff name does it? or am I retarded? |
| 04:45.38 | Shirik | no, that's what GetPlayerBuffName is for |
| 04:46.09 | Thelyna | which is, of course, not linked to on the GetPlayerBuff page >< |
| 04:46.19 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/API#Buff.2FDebuff_Functions |
| 04:51.47 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 04:51.49 | Fisker- | you are under attack |
| 04:51.56 | Thelyna | does GetPlayerBuffName work with debuffs to get the name of a debuff? GetPlayerBuff has a debuffFilter option, GetPlayerBuffName doesn't seem to |
| 04:52.12 | Shirik | Well, that's a really cool error message |
| 04:52.32 | Shirik | > fatal flex internal error -- end of buffer missed |
| 04:54.37 | Shirik | Fisker-: I am never worried |
| 04:54.53 | Shirik | Thelyna: Yes it does, and debuffFilter does not do what you think it does, I think |
| 04:55.03 | Fisker- | but you are under attack |
| 04:55.24 | Shirik | I am under attack by my ethernet interface |
| 04:55.33 | Shirik | FATAL FLEX INTERNAL ERROR http://images.gammatester.com/pics/02bf501cdf7d68ef22cc0b3933008786.jpg |
| 04:55.53 | Fisker- | your mother :( |
| 04:56.10 | Thelyna | that sounds kind of dire |
| 04:56.53 | Thelyna | getPlayerBuff (and the other ones in that line) are for the player themselves right? I was looking to create a timer for debuffs on my target :| |
| 04:57.12 | Shirik | on your target |
| 04:57.23 | Shirik | if on your target, then you can only see the times of your own debuffs |
| 04:57.30 | Shirik | and you must use UnitBuff |
| 04:58.37 | Thelyna | right, so I can't get, say, Meteor Slash timers for other people, unless I make them run a mod that broadcasts when they get hit with it - or keep an internal DB based on the debuffs applied to them |
| 04:58.58 | Shirik | right |
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| 05:09.47 | Thelyna | mm, that might go in the too-hard basket |
| 05:10.41 | Thelyna | I'd have to track SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS for every time brutallus slashes someone and keep a timer for each of them |
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| 05:16.03 | Codexius | why doesnt irc have some sort of friends list? (or does it and ive missed it?) |
| 05:16.23 | Codexius | or is it the "notify list" |
| 05:16.38 | Iriel | My client has one |
| 05:17.14 | Codexius | which do u use? |
| 05:17.26 | Shirik | mine has it as well |
| 05:17.42 | Shirik | as you're on mirc, yes, it's your notify list |
| 05:17.59 | Shirik | however that's only as good as the channels you're in |
| 05:19.10 | Iriel | Collquy |
| 05:30.46 | Fisker- | OMG |
| 05:30.52 | Fisker- | i won a footmen frenzy map |
| 05:31.01 | Shirik | Anyone have a good reason that ./configure would report that a file does not exist (specifically, sed reports this) but I go and check it and it's definitely there? |
| 05:31.55 | Fisker- | i can die happy Shirik :( |
| 05:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: depends on the file and location? also, double-check spelling |
| 05:37.54 | Shirik | looks right to me: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/0c56d0d479b484787e09c75126560878.jpg |
| 05:38.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ... any reason you can't just emerge subversion? |
| 05:38.43 | Shirik | because this is QNX, not gentoo |
| 05:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, thought you were SSHing to your linode |
| 05:39.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Check file permissions? |
| 05:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Err |
| 05:39.23 | ScytheBlade1 | They're right there |
| 05:39.24 | Shirik | the ls on the file is right there :) |
| 05:39.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 05:43.42 | Shirik | oh god damn it |
| 05:44.22 | Shirik | you'll love this ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:44.29 | Shirik | though I haven't fixed the problem... |
| 05:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I probably will |
| 05:46.58 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8f844fc1ab84ef444b6b5afb8e807a3a.jpg |
| 05:47.06 | Shirik | er |
| 05:48.23 | Shirik | I think gammatester is mad at me :( |
| 05:48.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Smooth |
| 05:49.14 | Shirik | there we go |
| 05:49.15 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/b57b4fbbcc5f077f79aead253bb0bd99.jpg |
| 05:49.25 | Shirik | lookie what I found! |
| 05:49.33 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 05:49.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That's awesome |
| 05:49.50 | Shirik | apparently it comes installed.... |
| 05:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | if (!mysql_select_db("db")) { die("Satan killed this script by not allowing us to connect to a database. Do 100 rosaries"); } |
| 05:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I sure have unique friends |
| 05:51.54 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | $str = "rarararararrarmuahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!possum5556"; |
| 05:52.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I wish I was kidding, but only sort of |
| 05:53.23 | Cairenn | have I mentioned lately that I hate you guys and you're all evil? |
| 05:53.30 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 05:53.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It probably bears repeating in any case though |
| 05:53.38 | Shirik | wut i did |
| 05:53.49 | Cairenn | I can actually make sense out of the link that Shirik posted |
| 05:53.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:53.56 | Cairenn | damn learning things by osmosis |
| 05:53.56 | Thunder_Child | "@Cairenn: have I mentioned lately that I hate you guys and you're all evil?" QFT |
| 05:54.06 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:54.11 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:54.30 | Shirik | now is this a good evil or a bad evil? |
| 05:54.31 | ScytheBlade1 | One of these days, you'll sit down |
| 05:54.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Open WoW Programming |
| 05:54.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And maybe, just maybe |
| 05:54.43 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Scary thought huh? |
| 05:54.47 | Cairenn | NEVAH! Bite your tongue! Fiend! |
| 05:57.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh well, if nothing else as a result of your new found "understanding" we can add you to the list of people who can laugh at shrik for his above screenshots |
| 05:58.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That's worth something =] |
| 05:58.11 | Shirik | we will convert Cairenn over to linux |
| 05:58.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:58.20 | Shirik | can't be too hard to get her to use ubuntu |
| 05:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey now, I'd rather not have the world end /that/ quickly |
| 05:58.33 | Shirik | cmon, anyone can use ubuntu |
| 05:58.41 | Cairenn | that and a buck fifty will buy you a cup of coffee |
| 05:58.41 | ScytheBlade1 | A book? There's a chance she can read a book and ask stupid questions in the channel |
| 05:58.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean heck, everyone else does, no reason she can't |
| 05:58.53 | ScytheBlade1 | But... use another OS? |
| 05:59.00 | Shirik | it's not really another os |
| 05:59.04 | ScytheBlade1 | .. |
| 05:59.05 | Shirik | it's windows with gnome |
| 05:59.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ...... |
| 05:59.17 | Shirik | it doesn't even have a root |
| 05:59.25 | Shirik | well it does, but it's not easily accessible |
| 05:59.30 | Shirik | see! |
| 05:59.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: I say "gnome" and you think of what? |
| 05:59.32 | Cairenn | Zenix/Unix |
| 05:59.45 | Cairenn | punting :p |
| 05:59.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I rest my case |
| 06:02.23 | Shirik | bleh |
| 06:02.33 | Shirik | gnomes are made for punting anyway |
| 06:02.40 | Shirik | but she will find the usefulness of gnome |
| 06:02.51 | Yssaril | anyof you guys have a copy of the russian globalstrings.lua? |
| 06:03.37 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:07.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: further, my laptop with 300MB of RAM might disagree with your "anyone can use ubuntu" statement |
| 06:07.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Something about the system update taking a minimum of 15 minutes for a single, small package to update :P |
| 06:07.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind when something like firefox came down, let alone OOo |
| 06:07.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Hours :P |
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| 06:07.55 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:08.19 | Tekkub | anyone ever watched an anime called "Kurau"? |
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| 06:42.53 | Horris | i'm new to the WoW API... is there a way to figure out if the player has a particular spell in his/her spellbook? |
| 06:44.01 | Thunder_Child | target player? |
| 06:44.42 | Horris | the current player |
| 06:45.32 | Horris | i tried IsUsableSpell but that fails if they're low on mana, which i don't want |
| 06:47.59 | Thunder_Child | i think you can parse the spellbook |
| 06:48.24 | Horris | ' |
| 06:48.32 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellTabInfo |
| 06:48.33 | Thunder_Child | maybe |
| 06:48.43 | Horris | thanks, i'll give that a shot |
| 06:49.02 | Thunder_Child | if not, you can browse http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Spell_Functions for hints |
| 06:49.11 | Thunder_Child | or check an addon that already does what you want |
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| 06:53.06 | Horris | GetSpellInfo seems to work... returns nil if the player doesn't have the spell |
| 06:54.15 | Thunder_Child | that may not be the best way to do it, i'm not sure. |
| 06:54.25 | Thunder_Child | i dont code, just point people in random directions |
| 06:55.41 | Horris | well, it'll do for now. it gets my code working until i can see if there's a better solution. |
| 07:05.59 | Fisker- | Thunder_Child i hate you |
| 07:07.30 | Fisker- | i am going to physically hurt you Thunder_Child |
| 07:08.50 | Fisker- | but you don't have any friends to have contributing |
| 07:08.52 | Fisker- | nor any botnets |
| 07:08.56 | Fisker- | foiled! |
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| 07:19.47 | Fisker- | i didn't know you preferred goatsex Thunder_Child |
| 07:20.37 | Fisker- | i'm not the one loving goatsex |
| 07:23.02 | Thunder_Child | it's all one sided digmouse, he fails |
| 07:23.11 | Fisker- | nah |
| 07:23.15 | Fisker- | i already won |
| 07:23.29 | Fisker- | you like goatsex you pervert bastard |
| 07:23.56 | Fisker- | you'd probably be raped irl in prison for that |
| 07:24.22 | digmouse | no he wont if he dont tell them or you dont tell them |
| 07:24.26 | Fisker- | and now you're using mac's as well |
| 07:24.28 | Fisker- | lol gay |
| 07:24.42 | Cairenn | Fisker-: ... |
| 07:25.02 | digmouse | Thunder_Child gets frenzy |
| 07:25.06 | Fisker- | wut Cairenn ? |
| 07:25.10 | digmouse | *Tranq Shot* |
| 07:25.11 | Fisker- | i'm not the one spamming ;_; |
| 07:25.19 | Thunder_Child | still havent figured it out Fisker-? |
| 07:25.34 | Cairenn | Fisker-: you used a particular term in a manner which I don't appreciate and that we've discussed before |
| 07:25.48 | Fisker- | nah |
| 07:26.06 | Cairenn | just cut it out, okay? |
| 07:26.39 | Fisker- | To whom do you address that? |
| 07:26.47 | Thunder_Child | us |
| 07:29.27 | Cairenn | I don't mind you guys joking around, you know that, just stop crossing that one particular line |
| 07:42.32 | Cairenn | ~whaleslap Thunder_Child |
| 07:42.33 | purl | ACTION beats Thunder_Child upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 07:42.39 | Cairenn | ~whaleslap Fisker- |
| 07:42.40 | purl | ACTION beats Fisker- upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 08:02.06 | zespri_home | When I played WoW long ago there used to be sites like census where you could see appx popluation by classes / races etc. Is there anything like this still around and if it is which one is mainstream? |
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| 08:24.11 | Dekster | zespri_home: You can checkout http://www.warcraftrealms.com/ to see if it's what you're looking for. I used to have some other site I checked, but can't remember the name of it. |
| 08:24.28 | zespri_home | thank you |
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| 08:46.19 | Tekkub | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1333/ |
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| 09:07.08 | zespri_home | anyone familiar with omen addon? |
| 09:07.24 | zespri_home | what does "<pull aggro>" bar mean? |
| 09:07.38 | cladhaire | the point at which you will pull aggro |
| 09:07.42 | cladhaire | imo? |
| 09:07.47 | Corrodias | if yours exceeds that bar, yes |
| 09:08.34 | zespri_home | ok thank you very much |
| 09:09.35 | zespri_home | although not sure how it works, I'm not in a raid just soloing with a pet, and the pull aggro bar is always the same but my and pet's bar are changing |
| 09:09.52 | zespri_home | one would think that you'd pull aggro when you exceed the pet bars? |
| 09:10.03 | Corrodias | what pet bars? |
| 09:10.05 | zespri_home | at least the pull aggro bar the pet bar should concide then? |
| 09:10.20 | Corrodias | what if nobody has any pets out? what if the tank has aggro like he should? |
| 09:10.31 | zespri_home | the bar on the omen window representing aggro of my pet |
| 09:11.02 | Corrodias | if you are solo, then it will be 10% higher than your pet's threat IF he has aggro |
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| 09:12.14 | zespri_home | hm... let me experiment more... |
| 09:31.12 | zespri_home | it's actually sometimes 10% and most of the time 30% |
| 09:33.10 | zespri_home | is there an article anywhere that explains roghly how threat works? |
| 09:34.13 | zespri_home | or the best explanation is the source of Threat-2.0? =) |
| 09:36.34 | Corrodias | there probably is an article |
| 09:36.46 | Corrodias | but it's 10% when you're within like 20 yards, and 30% if you're beyond that |
| 09:43.44 | zespri_home | so these numbers are know to be programmed into wow? this is how wow decides that a monster switch targets? |
| 09:53.38 | Corrodias | yes |
| 09:53.52 | Corrodias | except that we don't know for absolutely SURE that we have the numbers right. blizzard hasn't published values. |
| 09:54.10 | Corrodias | it's all just from observation and experimentation, which i wasn't a part of |
| 09:57.17 | zespri_home | cool thanks, that's good enough =) |
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| 10:04.27 | cncfanatics | yo ppl |
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| 10:08.34 | Mikk | the 10% and 30% are fairly well established i think |
| 10:08.51 | Mikk | as for the range though.. i'm not sure 20yds is right |
| 10:08.54 | Mikk | think it's closet |
| 10:08.56 | Mikk | -t+r |
| 10:09.25 | Corrodias | it's something around that. maybe it's just melee range. |
| 10:09.33 | Mikk | i'd assume that it's the melee range of the mob |
| 10:09.44 | Mikk | which tbh can be pretty damn far when it's a huge raidboss =) |
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| 10:19.30 | Fisker- | lol |
| 10:19.37 | Fisker- | just wanted to test cancelling an account |
| 10:19.46 | Fisker- | one of the reasons were: "Offline play not available" |
| 10:19.46 | Fisker- | :D |
| 10:20.13 | Corrodias | heh |
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| 11:18.38 | wereHamster | hm, what am I doing wrong? t=setmetatable({}, {foo=function(s,a) print(a) end}) t:print("arst"); |
| 11:19.06 | wereHamster | the last part should of course be t:foo("arst") |
| 11:20.04 | nevcairiel | you cant do inheritance like that |
| 11:20.57 | nevcairiel | lua> parent = { foo = function(s, a) print(a) end }; t = setmetatable({}, {__index = parent}); t:foo("bar") |
| 11:20.57 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: bar |
| 11:20.57 | wereHamster | do I have to use __index for that? |
| 11:21.39 | wereHamster | ah yeah. Why make things simple if it can be done complicated -.- |
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| 11:28.48 | Rabbitbunny | Dang. |
| 11:29.26 | Rabbitbunny | I added a menu for 'Profitable patterns', At first this was okay. Now prices have shifted an so many things are profitable that the menu won't fit. |
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| 11:37.51 | Mitranim | Hi people. |
| 11:39.49 | Rabbitbunny | Hi. |
| 12:03.10 | cncfanatics | g'morning ppl |
| 12:04.15 | amro | morning cncfanatics |
| 12:04.22 | Fisker- | morning |
| 12:04.33 | Fisker- | even though it's in the afternoon |
| 12:05.21 | Fisker- | unfortunately you seem to be dead |
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| 12:07.30 | amro | ~ugt |
| 12:07.31 | purl | i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 12:08.13 | Fisker- | ~uft |
| 12:08.14 | purl | Universal Fisker Time, it's whatever time he says, anyone else will be shot on sight, even if it's the same time as Fisker's time. |
| 12:08.20 | Fisker- | time you learned some discipline amro |
| 12:08.20 | Fisker- | :o |
| 12:20.27 | foxlit | I question the use of the word "Universal" there |
| 12:20.33 | foxlit | What happens if there are multiple fiskers? |
| 12:21.21 | amro | armageddon |
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| 12:28.49 | nevcairiel | Is there a way to get a list of files in a directory from within a lua script? ( NOT wow lua, plain console) |
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| 12:32.00 | foxlit | Yes, though I doubt it's nice. |
| 12:32.30 | nevcairiel | short of io.popen("dir") ? :P |
| 12:32.46 | foxlit | http://www.keplerproject.org/luafilesystem/ |
| 12:32.51 | foxlit | but that's not plain lua |
| 12:33.27 | nevcairiel | thats a C lib, i guess? |
| 12:33.48 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 12:34.00 | foxlit | Lua, alone, is not aware of this "file and directories" concept |
| 12:34.18 | nevcairiel | it can open files, i guessed maybe it can list them too |
| 12:34.26 | foxlit | bad guess :) |
| 12:35.31 | nevcairiel | back to hardcoding my file list then |
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| 12:49.56 | Corrodias | how unexpected |
| 12:50.07 | Corrodias | well, off to sleep. 'ni, or 'day |
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| 12:56.05 | Lunessa | STATION! |
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| 13:03.02 | Lunessa | Hell, all I get for company is Cide? I'm going back to bed. |
| 13:03.15 | Cide | no you aren't |
| 13:03.35 | [dRaCo] | 'sup, lunessa? feelin lonely? |
| 13:03.35 | Cide | and you're not getting me for company either |
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| 13:03.52 | [dRaCo] | now you scared him :/ |
| 13:04.08 | Lunessa | No, I'm just feeling snarky. Everyone else got a 3-day weekend. I'm working. |
| 13:04.23 | [dRaCo] | that's just you americans |
| 13:04.31 | [dRaCo] | over here it's a weekend like any other |
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| 13:04.40 | Cide | YARRR |
| 13:05.39 | Lunessa | [dRaCo]: I don't care. Doesn't change the fact that everyone else in the f'ing office is ona 3-day weekend, and I have to work. |
| 13:06.22 | batrick | I truly hate C++ |
| 13:06.24 | [dRaCo] | got your point. why is it you've gotta work, anyway? |
| 13:06.32 | batrick | where's shirik when you need him :( |
| 13:07.30 | Cide | batrick: the fact that you prefer c over c++ makes you sane |
| 13:07.36 | amro | Lunessa: today is also independence day in 3 other countries ;) |
| 13:07.40 | Lunessa | [dRaCo]: Hell if I know. The campus is closed. No classes are being held today. And yet, I'm required to put in a 9-hour shift to support students who aren't here. |
| 13:07.54 | Cide | oh wait, no it doesn't. it makes you inane |
| 13:08.13 | Lunessa | amro: And to them I say, "Happy Independence Day." |
| 13:08.30 | batrick | C++ is an abomination |
| 13:08.41 | amro | im working too so you're not alone Lunessa |
| 13:08.52 | Lunessa | Is it too early for beer? |
| 13:08.54 | amro | C++ is the Pele of programming languages |
| 13:09.02 | Cide | why? |
| 13:10.12 | Lunessa | Bah. I learned C and C++ - I don't hate C++. But then I'm a whack-job anyway. |
| 13:10.13 | batrick | because there's too much magic going on; and the only way to clear up the confusion is to read a 1000 specification on it |
| 13:10.20 | batrick | 1000 page* |
| 13:10.25 | amro | maybe it's just me but I actually find it easier than python |
| 13:10.29 | [dRaCo] | Lunessa: wtf. given those circumstances, it cant be too early for a beer |
| 13:10.44 | batrick | strtok is a very good example |
| 13:10.50 | amro | strtok is C |
| 13:10.55 | batrick | no it isn't |
| 13:10.55 | amro | isn't it? |
| 13:11.27 | Cide | that's a function |
| 13:11.39 | batrick | a c++ standard function |
| 13:11.42 | Cide | yes |
| 13:11.43 | batrick | and an example |
| 13:11.46 | Cide | so don't use it :P |
| 13:11.53 | Cide | the language features are what matters imo |
| 13:12.01 | batrick | it's an example of what's typical of the language |
| 13:12.09 | [dRaCo] | strtok is C, too |
| 13:12.10 | Cide | but a mostly irrelevant example as well |
| 13:12.17 | batrick | ffs, strtok IS NOT C |
| 13:12.20 | amro | not really. strtok is in <cstring> |
| 13:12.33 | amro | http://www.elook.org/programming/c/strtok.html |
| 13:12.46 | batrick | std::string::iterator |
| 13:12.51 | batrick | wtf is that huh? |
| 13:13.00 | Cide | what's wrong with that? |
| 13:13.05 | Cide | are you hating on namespaces now? :P |
| 13:13.14 | batrick | how the whole method of iteratoring over shit is obfuscated |
| 13:13.15 | amro | that |
| 13:13.23 | amro | is a very useful tool :) |
| 13:13.29 | Cide | type::iterator isn't very obfuscated if you ask me |
| 13:13.39 | amro | its one of the simpler things to grok actually |
| 13:13.49 | Cide | don't get me wrong though |
| 13:14.01 | Cide | I find both c and c++ syntax way obfuscated |
| 13:14.11 | Cide | but I don't think c++ is much worse than c, if at all worse |
| 13:14.12 | batrick | C is very clear, there is no magic going on |
| 13:14.20 | batrick | C++, it's all over the fucking place |
| 13:14.35 | batrick | and I'm sick of consulting with other people because there is no reliable source on the subject |
| 13:14.39 | Cide | sure there is. function pointers, casts (worse in c), void pointers, blah |
| 13:15.30 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.38 | Cide | are references in c? |
| 13:15.44 | batrick | That stuff is what makes C so powerful |
| 13:15.56 | Cide | of course |
| 13:15.58 | amro | the same can be said of C++ |
| 13:16.00 | batrick | someone who can't deal with that type of thing shouldn't be looking at system's programming languages |
| 13:16.03 | Cide | but that doesn't mean that it isn't obfuscated as hell |
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| 13:16.23 | Cide | and those examples are 500x times more obfuscated than string::iterator |
| 13:16.26 | batrick | It can't be made more clear, that's the point. Not without losing the power it gives |
| 13:16.38 | amro | can C++ be made more clear without losing power? |
| 13:16.42 | Cide | doesn't mean it's not obfuscated :P |
| 13:16.52 | Cide | and string::iterator is arguably very useful |
| 13:17.03 | Cide | and not obfuscated at all compared to the examples I mentioned |
| 13:17.23 | Cide | but I can see why c++ is worse than c from a c programmer's perspective |
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| 13:17.39 | Cide | since c++ is basically c but with more stuff |
| 13:17.59 | batrick | they're completely two different lanugages with some shared semantics |
| 13:18.00 | Cide | or more bloated, if you will. |
| 13:18.01 | batrick | that's it |
| 13:18.04 | amro | c++ has a different way of doing things. if you try coding c++ with a c mindset, you'll run into trouble |
| 13:18.14 | Lunessa | - This is THE reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language_(book) My copy is pushing 15+ years old. |
| 13:18.31 | Cide | /shrug |
| 13:18.38 | Cide | I prefer c++ |
| 13:18.49 | Cide | I'd like to think that most people who start learning c/c++ will prefer c++ as well |
| 13:19.06 | Cide | its syntax is easier in my opinion -- IANACP |
| 13:19.08 | batrick | yesterday alestane was having problems with whether "return Class().someMethod()" |
| 13:19.13 | batrick | would the class be collected? |
| 13:19.29 | batrick | you can't answer that type of question without going through that fucking terrible spec manual |
| 13:19.32 | batrick | it's rediculous |
| 13:19.36 | Cide | ridiculous |
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| 13:19.47 | amro | yes batrick, you have to learn the language before you use it |
| 13:19.53 | Cide | what amro said :P |
| 13:19.57 | Lunessa | Got to start somewhere, and C++ is a good place to start. It is built with object-oriended programing in mind, so might as well learn good coding theory from the start. :P |
| 13:19.59 | batrick | you can't "learn" C++ without spending years doing it |
| 13:20.07 | Cide | same with c |
| 13:20.07 | amro | exactly |
| 13:20.13 | batrick | and even then, I'm sure you'll see something all the time you can't answer without consulting that book |
| 13:20.21 | batrick | I beg to differ |
| 13:20.25 | Cide | you know C |
| 13:20.27 | Cide | I don't |
| 13:20.29 | Cide | to me, C is worse |
| 13:20.37 | Cide | I don't know C++ very well either |
| 13:20.39 | batrick | I learned C in 3 monthes |
| 13:21.09 | Maldivia | C++ is easy to learn... impossible to master |
| 13:21.17 | Cide | like a good game |
| 13:21.25 | batrick | Lunessa: object oriented programming isn't something a novice should learn first |
| 13:21.38 | Cide | why not? ace proves you wrong! |
| 13:21.51 | Lunessa | batrick, no, but might as well learn the theory anyway. |
| 13:21.51 | batrick | kek |
| 13:22.13 | batrick | they won't teach theory without exposing them to programming first, which means they'll learn java or something equally terrible |
| 13:22.31 | Lunessa | If I was going to teach a programing class for complete novices, I'd likely start with something like Lua or (god help me) Basic. |
| 13:22.49 | Gnarfoz | basic is basic |
| 13:22.55 | Cide | python imo |
| 13:23.00 | batrick | If you are teaching CS you should be teaching something like C first |
| 13:23.18 | Cide | C++ is conceptually the same |
| 13:23.18 | batrick | if they can't handle the cold hard facts about how a computer works on one of the most basic levels, they shouldn't be CS majors |
| 13:23.24 | Cide | and you won't have to change language just to deal with OOP |
| 13:23.26 | Lunessa | Yes, and in 1980 when I leaned the basics of programing all I had was BASIC |
| 13:23.27 | batrick | you can become an app developer without going to college |
| 13:23.36 | Cide | batrick: I disagree |
| 13:23.47 | batrick | I have a friend makes 80k never went to college |
| 13:23.55 | Cide | you need to know how a computer works on a low level to be a CS major |
| 13:23.56 | batrick | he's making enterprise programs for BLM |
| 13:23.59 | batrick | so I know you can |
| 13:24.10 | Cide | but you shouldn't have to "handle the cold hard facts" from the start |
| 13:24.34 | Lunessa | batrick: I used to write code for a living. I studied religion in college. I wish I'd gone back for a CIS degree. |
| 13:24.34 | batrick | if they don't have an interest in that stuff, they're in the wrong major |
| 13:24.36 | batrick | that's my point |
| 13:24.36 | amro | if you want cold hard facts, learn ASM |
| 13:24.39 | foxlit | low-level keeps sliding upwards, Cide |
| 13:24.50 | Cide | hm? |
| 13:24.54 | Maldivia | persoanlly, I think higher level languages (like Java etc), that babysit the user a bit, are good introductions to programming |
| 13:25.32 | amro | I think C++ provides a healthy mix of being powerful and expressive and letting you screw up bad |
| 13:25.56 | Cide | any compiled language is bad at letting you screw up and still taking care of it without bitching, imo |
| 13:26.10 | Maldivia | amro: the question is, is a language that lets you "screw up bad" a good educational language? |
| 13:26.10 | batrick | amro: C++ allows you to screw up badly in ways hard to predict |
| 13:26.22 | Lunessa | Just don't teach them PERL |
| 13:26.30 | batrick | Maldivia: yes |
| 13:26.33 | Cide | some said the world should be in lisp |
| 13:26.35 | Cide | some said in perl |
| 13:26.45 | Cide | no |
| 13:26.48 | batrick | I was motivated to learn a lot about the stack/heap purely by fucking shit up |
| 13:26.51 | Cide | some said the world should be in perl |
| 13:26.53 | Cide | some said in lisp |
| 13:26.58 | Cide | having given both of them a whirl |
| 13:27.01 | Cide | I held with those who favored perl |
| 13:27.03 | batrick | things I would have never bothered learning if I had done C++ |
| 13:27.03 | amro | Maldivia: it depends on how bad and how often. I said c++ provides a healthy mix. you have to fall before you learn horseriding |
| 13:27.10 | Cide | paraphrased, I'm sure |
| 13:27.15 | Lunessa | Cide.... XKCD FTW |
| 13:27.22 | Cide | robert frost ftw too |
| 13:27.31 | Cide | the original is great too |
| 13:27.44 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.44 | Cide | Some say in ice. |
| 13:27.44 | Cide | From what I've tasted of desire |
| 13:27.44 | Cide | I hold with those who favor fire. |
| 13:27.50 | Cide | But if it had to perish twice, |
| 13:27.50 | Cide | I think I know enough of hate |
| 13:27.50 | Cide | To say that for destruction ice |
| 13:27.50 | Cide | Is also great |
| 13:27.51 | Cide | And would suffice. |
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| 13:27.52 | foxlit | "you have to fall before you learn horseriding" |
| 13:27.59 | foxlit | a situation where you do not fail while learning is superior |
| 13:28.00 | amro | batrick: that's true. I still screw up regularly. but that's how it works |
| 13:28.29 | Lunessa | Cide - Yes, Robert Frost is awesome. "But I have promises to keep / And miles to go before I sleep. " |
| 13:28.30 | Maldivia | amro: you might learn something from failure, sure - but it doesn't have to mean a sledgehammer to your head, which C++ sometimes provides |
| 13:30.00 | amro | foxlit: yes, but does such a situation exist? you will get segfaults. all the time |
| 13:30.22 | amro | might as well get used to it |
| 13:30.32 | Cide | I disagree |
| 13:30.48 | Cide | if you're just learning programming, dealing with segfaults is unnecessary if it can be avoided |
| 13:31.04 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 13:32.02 | amro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.04 | Cide | that makes you wrong. sorry. |
| 13:33.00 | Lunessa | Hey there Bob, it's Tom from the office down the hall. How you doin' buddy? How've you been? Thing's 've been OK, for me except that I'm a zombie now. Really wish you'd let us in... " |
| 13:34.32 | amro | though for beginning I'd only really recommend Python |
| 13:34.41 | Maldivia | learning what causes segfaults i C/C++, so they can be avoided, is important later on, but in the beginning it should not be the primary concern |
| 13:34.45 | amro | followed by C++ once the use is confident |
| 13:35.19 | amro | Maldivia: of course, what I meant was for intermediate programmers. beginners are unlikely to cause serious segfaults |
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| 13:57.34 | foxlit | "might as well get used to it" is an unfavorable conclusion |
| 13:59.04 | foxlit | which somewhat kills progress - time should be spent figuring out how to avoid having to deal with things, rather than getting used to dealing with things :) |
| 14:00.42 | Rabbitbunny | Bah. Annoying errors. |
| 14:01.42 | Rabbitbunny | I can't get the AH price of an enchant since there's seems to be no item link for them, yet I haven't succeeded in testing for an item link. |
| 14:02.00 | Rabbitbunny | Good thing it's a nice day outside. |
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| 14:08.08 | Lunessa | foxlit: A desire to have things be different is usually what drive most work/progress. :P |
| 14:08.29 | foxlit | I think that was my point :) |
| 14:13.56 | alestane | One guy I used to work with always tried to support the thesis that since innovation was driven by the selfish desire to have more or to put forth less effort, then all of human progress was technically driven by "evil". |
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| 14:22.22 | foxlit | plausable :) |
| 14:22.41 | foxlit | except there's also that element of randomness "hey, did you know that if you did this, you can do that?" |
| 14:22.43 | Lunessa | alestane: Selfish ~= Evil |
| 14:23.22 | Lunessa | Lunessa == Evil, but that's another proposition entirely. |
| 14:23.51 | alestane | Yes, well, tell him that. |
| 14:24.16 | Legorol | Can someone please put me out of my misery (especially if you are in the EU): |
| 14:24.28 | foxlit | ~shoot Legorol |
| 14:24.28 | purl | ACTION shoots Legorol in the eye with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 14:24.28 | Legorol | Why is there no sign of the fire festival anymore even though it's the 5th July today? |
| 14:24.40 | Legorol | Blizz's event calendar says it's until the 5th. |
| 14:24.54 | foxlit | not including, presumably :) |
| 14:24.55 | Legorol | Does that mean that it finishes at 12am on the 5th? that sounds a bit silly |
| 14:25.00 | foxlit | or they fail horribly at translating dates |
| 14:25.10 | Legorol | foxlit: have you ever seen an event advertised with the last date being non-inclusive? |
| 14:25.20 | Legorol | WWI: from 28th-31st |
| 14:25.23 | Legorol | would you see that? |
| 14:25.30 | foxlit | "Discounts last until the 1st of may"? |
| 14:25.41 | Legorol | sure, but that's not an event |
| 14:25.47 | Legorol | I'm talking about advertising an event period |
| 14:26.02 | Legorol | "The horseshoe-tossing races are from 7-9th July" |
| 14:26.15 | Legorol | how would you interpret that with common sense |
| 14:26.24 | foxlit | range specifications are different to "until" specifications |
| 14:26.42 | Legorol | I agree |
| 14:26.53 | Legorol | Blizzard events usualy use range specifications |
| 14:27.52 | foxlit | but suppose the original specification was a timestamp |
| 14:28.09 | foxlit | that happened to be 23:59:59 on july 4th... in the US |
| 14:30.57 | Lunessa | foxlit: I logged out at 1am GMT-6 last night. Fire Festival stuff was still up. I bet at GMT-8 (Blizzard's home time zone) 12am all that shit went POOF. |
| 14:39.12 | Lunessa | *headesk* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6757867106&sid=1&pageNo=2 post 25 |
| 14:45.03 | Lukian | lol.. |
| 14:46.00 | Lunessa | Oh Hai. I follow ur instrkshens and I crash. Wut 2 do? |
| 14:46.37 | foxlit | To be fair, he didn't ask anything. |
| 14:46.50 | Lunessa | My impulse? Tell them not to breed. |
| 14:46.57 | foxlit | Yeah, aren't you nice :) |
| 14:48.17 | Lunessa | Indeed, I'm rather nice. All my exs thinks so. :P |
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| 14:49.20 | AbsoRayne | Damn power went out last night |
| 14:49.20 | Lukian | Can I be your ex? :D |
| 14:49.33 | cncfanatics | ~seen Shirik |
| 14:49.35 | purl | shirik <i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 8h 41m 40s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 14:49.45 | AbsoRayne | Every clock in the house is blinking! Its maddening! |
| 14:50.30 | nevcairiel | You should get clocks with batteries :) |
| 14:50.59 | AbsoRayne | I will when I own my own house someday |
| 14:52.42 | AbsoRayne | Alot of account hacking going on lately... |
| 14:54.06 | Lunessa | Lukian: I don't know. Do you has brestses? |
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| 14:57.52 | Lukian | nope? ;o |
| 14:58.21 | Lunessa | Then I guess you don't qualify. |
| 14:58.45 | Lukian | :( |
| 14:59.30 | End | oh wow, I just compressed a 500 MB log file to 11 MB :o |
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| 14:59.59 | Lunessa | text compresses nicely. |
| 15:01.14 | Fisker- | i hope that taught you a lesson |
| 15:01.26 | Lunessa | I hurt myself today. To see if I still feel. I focused on the pain, the only thing that's real. |
| 15:01.45 | Fisker- | that's what i meant |
| 15:02.37 | cncfanatics | ~emo Lunessa |
| 15:03.00 | foxlit | you can't irradiate the channel with particles |
| 15:03.12 | cncfanatics | alpha, beta & gamma are no particles |
| 15:03.17 | cncfanatics | they're radiation |
| 15:03.31 | cncfanatics | well, actualy, alpha & beta are particles |
| 15:03.33 | cncfanatics | but gamma ain't |
| 15:03.45 | foxlit | point is, you must be radiating them continuously in order to have any effect |
| 15:04.07 | Lunessa | meh. It was a quick joke. It didn't have to be entirely accurate. |
| 15:04.58 | AbsoRayne | hrm |
| 15:05.11 | foxlit | leave deadly residue instead :) |
| 15:08.40 | AbsoRayne | Can I eat it? |
| 15:09.51 | Lunessa | Spread it on Toast! Use it to preserve fish! Makes a great casserole for unexpected guests, and is an highly effective contraceptive! |
| 15:10.59 | AbsoRayne | Better than 99.9%? |
| 15:11.24 | AbsoRayne | brb |
| 15:15.32 | Lunessa | worth a chuckle - http://www.spaaace.com/cope/?p=111 |
| 15:16.59 | Fisker- | you're dead |
| 15:17.01 | Fisker- | it can't be |
| 15:20.42 | Lunessa | Dead or alive, you're coming with me. |
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| 15:34.54 | Phay | hi, im looking to either make a module for button facade or make an addon from scratch that can skin the default blizzard action bars |
| 15:35.09 | Phay | is there any1 here that is willing to help me with this endevour? XD |
| 15:35.31 | Maldivia | Lunessa: there's one key factor he's forgetting: Magic - that's that answer to all his questions :) |
| 15:35.51 | Lunessa | Maldivia: mmmm... Magic. |
| 15:36.14 | Lunessa | Phay: http://wowace.com/wiki/ButtonFacade/Skins |
| 15:36.29 | Phay | ty, i shall take a look |
| 15:39.22 | cncfanatics | I have a question |
| 15:40.07 | Phay | Lunessa this link only helps with creating skins, what i am looking for is help making a plugin for facade which alows me to use previous skins |
| 15:40.23 | nevcairiel | isnt there a addon that skins the blizz bars alreaedy? |
| 15:40.34 | nevcairiel | i think its broken, though. But it would be trivial to fix it |
| 15:40.46 | Stanzilla | [17:20:23] <Stanzilla> ^ is broken |
| 15:40.48 | Stanzilla | [17:20:31] <Stanzilla> was not updated for the color changes in BF |
| 15:40.50 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 15:40.56 | Lunessa | Phay. Read the ButtonFacade thread on the WoWAce forums. |
| 15:41.12 | Phay | okies |
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| 15:52.14 | Codex|wow | so cartopgrapher_routes tells me its no longer supported, but i should download routes instead. it provides no link, nor is it on wowi, curse, or worldofwar :( |
| 15:52.49 | Phay | right guys, this is the old blizz_button facade http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90657 what would i need to change to add colour support? |
| 15:53.08 | Phay | as u can tell , i dont kno mmuch about LUA XD |
| 15:54.28 | Stanzilla | you could have a look at the diffs of the other plugins that added color support |
| 15:54.31 | Stanzilla | like this one http://fish.wowace.com/changelog/WowAce/trunk/ButtonFacade_Caith |
| 15:54.38 | Phay | ok |
| 15:55.11 | foxlit | ButtonFacade bugs me :( |
| 15:55.21 | Phay | its confuzling -.- |
| 15:55.23 | foxlit | Theoretically, the functionality is interesting, but the docs are so... nasty |
| 16:01.41 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk / Dolby : banned pigless, but I need you to add a censor link |
| 16:01.45 | Shirik | ... totally wrong channel |
| 16:04.15 | Cide | /clap |
| 16:04.50 | Shirik | stfu |
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| 16:07.33 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 16:08.15 | Hexarobi | is wowinterface.com this channel's prefered site? |
| 16:08.43 | Hexarobi | or wowui.worldofwar.net? |
| 16:10.09 | Shirik | This channel is designed to be a generic channel for all WoW UI development chat, but #wowi-lounge (from wowinterface.com) redirects here, and that's how this channel started |
| 16:10.54 | Hexarobi | good, hoping to find someone to approve the addon i uploaded |
| 16:11.14 | Hexarobi | my old version used to be up there but got deleted somewhere along the way |
| 16:11.15 | nevcairiel | that said, the worldofwar page is generally not our preferred choice ,) |
| 16:11.44 | Hexarobi | (to wowinterface.com) |
| 16:11.52 | nevcairiel | Then Shirik is the one you need! |
| 16:11.53 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 16:12.06 | Shirik | is that the chess one that I already approved? |
| 16:12.07 | Shirik | :P |
| 16:12.14 | Shirik | oh whoops |
| 16:12.18 | Shirik | I never hit the approve button >.> |
| 16:12.20 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:12.25 | Hexarobi | wowChess *Pending |
| 16:12.28 | Hexarobi | hehe |
| 16:12.36 | Hexarobi | thanks =) |
| 16:12.38 | foxlit | did someone end up fixing it? |
| 16:12.39 | Shirik | yeah I reviewed it and then never hit approve :( |
| 16:12.41 | Codex|WoW | i just installed wowchess |
| 16:12.48 | Codex|WoW | got beat in 5 moves by some chess champ |
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| 16:12.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:12.56 | Codex|WoW | called it a "sicilian defense" |
| 16:13.01 | Hexarobi | haha |
| 16:13.03 | nevcairiel | tough luck |
| 16:13.03 | Shirik | ~lart Codayus |
| 16:13.03 | purl | drops a humongous exploding nuke on Codayus |
| 16:13.04 | Shirik | er |
| 16:13.07 | Shirik | ~lart Codex|WoW |
| 16:13.07 | purl | shoots Codex|WoW in his sleep |
| 16:13.10 | Codex|WoW | too bad the only person i managed ot get to download the addon was the state champion in chess |
| 16:13.10 | Hexarobi | foxlit, fix wowchess? |
| 16:13.27 | Hexarobi | ill play ya codex, i need to test the new version |
| 16:13.39 | Codex|WoW | do ya need to roll on my server? |
| 16:13.49 | Hexarobi | what server |
| 16:13.52 | nevcairiel | i would much rather have wowcheese, but thats just me |
| 16:13.55 | Codex|WoW | khaz modan, alliance |
| 16:14.02 | Codex|WoW | need to reboot tho |
| 16:14.02 | Hexarobi | i may have a toon there |
| 16:14.06 | Hexarobi | k |
| 16:14.36 | Codex|WoW | yea letm e reboot, ll be back in like 10 minutes |
| 16:15.08 | Maldivia | wowcheese... sounds... hmm, no thanks... |
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| 16:22.42 | Phay | aaaarrrrgh help :( |
| 16:22.44 | Phay | http://www.pastey.net/90660 |
| 16:22.49 | Phay | this is wa tive done so far |
| 16:22.59 | Phay | but BF is just not recognising it |
| 16:23.02 | Phay | : / |
| 16:24.26 | nevcairiel | somehow that looks weird |
| 16:25.20 | Phay | i killed it lol |
| 16:27.26 | nevcairiel | gimme a min and i'll rewrite it |
| 16:27.51 | Phay | ty <3 |
| 16:28.26 | Phay | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.29 | krka | Phay: I think you meant to say Lua there. |
| 16:29.14 | Phay | probably :] |
| 16:29.32 | Lunessa | Just once I want a merchant in WoW to say, "I supply only the shoddiest goods." |
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| 16:32.29 | dracusorul` | anyone know how can i see the errors in wow? |
| 16:32.51 | Shirik | turn on "show lua errors"? |
| 16:32.57 | Shirik | or |
| 16:32.58 | Shirik | ~swatter |
| 16:32.59 | purl | somebody said swatter was a diagnostic tool that's distributed with non-release builds of Norganna's AddOns to help diagnosing bugs that may occur within these builds. |
| 16:33.35 | dracusorul` | well have the show lua errors but dont know where i can see them :P |
| 16:33.45 | Shirik | they would pop up |
| 16:34.14 | Shirik | if it's not popping up, then either you have another error handler installed, or what you are complaining about is not a lua error |
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| 16:34.37 | dracusorul` | well it doesnt ... :| |
| 16:34.46 | Shirik | (12:34:02) (@Shirik) if it's not popping up, then either you have another error handler installed, or what you are complaining about is not a lua error |
| 16:34.56 | dracusorul` | ya ya i did read that |
| 16:35.06 | Shirik | well you're not giving me much information to go off of here :) |
| 16:35.32 | dracusorul` | well first of all i dont have a error handler .. second i dont know what is causing the interface problem ... :)) |
| 16:35.54 | Shirik | ok we're not getting very far here, what is the "problem" |
| 16:36.25 | dracusorul` | well from time to time i get "interface failed because of a AddOn" |
| 16:36.32 | Shirik | ok that's not a Lua error |
| 16:36.54 | Shirik | that's an event that occurs from an addon attempting to make a secure call or due to a taint |
| 16:37.05 | dracusorul` | wanted to say "getting the message that interface failed because of a addon" but i forgot :P |
| 16:37.33 | Phay | nevcairiel: hows it going? btw if u want to contact me, i have a user on wowinterface called thunder12 |
| 16:37.45 | Hexarobi | is RotFL the best category for a chess minigame? |
| 16:37.47 | Phay | dont worry ill be on a while longer tho |
| 16:38.16 | Phay | well im not exactly rolling on the floor laughing about a chess mini game but meh XD |
| 16:38.17 | nevcairiel | Phay: i guess i'll just update the Blizz_Buttonfacade thing on WoWAce |
| 16:38.29 | Phay | ty nev |
| 16:38.32 | Phay | that would be awesome |
| 16:38.39 | Phay | u haz my undieing love |
| 16:38.41 | Phay | jk -.- |
| 16:39.05 | nevcairiel | so no love? :( |
| 16:39.12 | Phay | o u can hav love |
| 16:39.18 | Phay | but not undieing love |
| 16:39.20 | Phay | XD |
| 16:39.23 | Hexarobi | it was that or misc |
| 16:39.31 | Shirik | Hexarobi: Not really, rotfl is more for joke addons |
| 16:39.35 | Phay | btw i love ure addonBT4 /.bow |
| 16:39.42 | Phay | wat shirik said |
| 16:39.52 | Phay | misc should be a good option or "other" :D |
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| 16:43.43 | Fisker- | isn't it impossible to have a mouse pointer for more than 1 app |
| 16:43.53 | Fisker- | some guy wants to multibox with the mouse :P |
| 16:44.27 | Fisker- | can't see how he's going to get those mouse pointers alligned properly |
| 16:45.01 | Phay | who would want to multibox in the first place? XD |
| 16:45.22 | Fisker- | n00bs who get pwned in pvp i guess |
| 16:45.31 | Phay | did that Xzin, YZin dude quit? |
| 16:45.39 | Fisker- | don't think so |
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| 16:48.34 | Hexarobi | shirik, is it possible to move my addon's category or do i need an admin to do it for me? |
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| 16:52.49 | Shirik | I can do it |
| 16:52.54 | Shirik | just tell me where |
| 16:53.42 | Fisker- | watch out Shirik |
| 16:53.50 | Hexarobi | i guess misc, i was thinking RotFL cuz its less full, a minigames category would be too much to ask i suppose |
| 16:54.07 | Hexarobi | *hint hint nudge nudge* |
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| 16:54.59 | Shirik | that's not up to me :) |
| 16:55.01 | Shirik | but done with misc |
| 16:55.34 | Hexarobi | thank you =) |
| 16:55.40 | Hexarobi | would it be up to cairenn? |
| 16:55.54 | Shirik | and Dolby |
| 16:55.57 | Shirik | them two :) |
| 16:56.19 | Hexarobi | doubly |
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| 16:59.22 | Mikk | hum... is it possible to see who caps a given graveyard? |
| 16:59.34 | Mikk | in messages or by deducting stats from the score screen? |
| 16:59.50 | Mikk | it'd be interesting to stat the numpties who e.g. caps iceblood |
| 16:59.56 | Mikk | so you can name & shame |
| 17:00.00 | Mikk | and keep track of it for future games |
| 17:00.44 | foxlit | I'm sure you could do it, but I'd be naming and shaming you |
| 17:00.45 | Mikk | "I have seen Nub-Al'Akir cap IB three times: date1, date2, date3. Please afk report the fucker right now." |
| 17:01.03 | krka | do you mean camp? |
| 17:01.11 | Mikk | No, capping the wrong graveyard in AV. |
| 17:01.34 | Lopeppeppy | But they're not afk if they're doing something. Doing it wrong, but at least doing something. |
| 17:01.47 | Mikk | I.e. sending the whole opposing force back to their base and byebye goes our offensive. |
| 17:01.51 | Cairenn | Hexarobi: are you Slakah on WoWI? |
| 17:01.54 | foxlit | Mikk: you'd be banned |
| 17:01.57 | foxlit | not the guy you're reporting |
| 17:02.09 | krka | what is capping? |
| 17:02.12 | Mikk | Capture |
| 17:02.24 | krka | what is "wrong" in this case? |
| 17:02.33 | Cairenn | Hexarobi: nm |
| 17:03.08 | Lopeppeppy | "Wrong" = "not following strategy approved by someone or another" |
| 17:03.27 | Mikk | krka: In alterac value, you have a number of graveyards between the two bases. If your teams captures all of the outlying graveyards, the whole opposing team rezzes back in their base. |
| 17:03.46 | Mikk | Meaning your entire attack gets eaten by an overwhelming defense |
| 17:03.49 | foxlit | cave |
| 17:03.53 | foxlit | not base |
| 17:04.01 | foxlit | well, depending on what else is captured |
| 17:04.20 | foxlit | But as much as you want to, you can't report people afk for "moronic gameplay" |
| 17:04.55 | Mikk | Meh, wtb the old manual raids where you could kick assholes out. |
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| 17:05.29 | foxlit | Meh, I'd be happy not to be in your raid :) |
| 17:05.51 | foxlit | Especially in AV: it was way more profitable without the other 39 people :) |
| 17:06.01 | Mikk | You're one of the people that really enjoy screwing your entire side over? |
| 17:06.42 | foxlit | We usually win :) |
| 17:07.04 | foxlit | You're one of the people who want to enforce their idea that AV should be about PvE? |
| 17:07.37 | Mikk | Eh, if you're capping iceblood, you get to sit on your hands and not see a single opponent for ages |
| 17:07.41 | Mikk | Since they're all back at home base |
| 17:07.46 | Mikk | How's that pvp? |
| 17:07.58 | Mikk | I think battlegrounds are about winning them |
| 17:08.09 | Shirik | Mikk: Honestly I loved the old AV |
| 17:08.16 | Shirik | where you could go to class, come back, and the same game is running |
| 17:08.21 | Lopeppeppy | Me too. |
| 17:08.54 | Mikk | Yeah I loved them too. But the objective was still winning :P |
| 17:08.54 | foxlit | Who says you have to stay at the flag? :) |
| 17:09.40 | foxlit | The objective is actual PvP |
| 17:09.49 | foxlit | rather than the badges/bonus honor :) |
| 17:10.19 | foxlit | Hence a more structured attack/defend front line is preferable to "lol, guyz, rush their general before they rush ours!" |
| 17:11.10 | Shirik | anyone familiar with VMWare: is there any way to request VMWare to allocate more CPU time to the VM? |
| 17:11.23 | Shirik | compiling in VMWare is taking forever :( |
| 17:11.47 | Mikk | Erm it should hand lots of CPU to the VM if it is available oO |
| 17:11.56 | Shirik | that's odd |
| 17:12.09 | Shirik | QNX is reporting full CPU usage, but my computer is sitting pretty on the windows side :/ |
| 17:12.33 | foxlit | Above all, I dislike people who come into battlegrounds with a distinct idea that everyone who doesn't agree with them is wrong :) |
| 17:12.56 | foxlit | Which is the overbearing motive for whining at you, rather than me capturing anything in particular :) |
| 17:14.08 | Hexarobi | i only have the option of going from 1 to 2 processors shirik |
| 17:14.19 | Shirik | woot, I just killed JVM too |
| 17:14.19 | Mikk | mmm you could also consider the fact that 95% of people in the battleground want one thing |
| 17:14.21 | Shirik | go me |
| 17:14.24 | Hexarobi | my virtual machine reports seeing my real processor |
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| 17:16.44 | foxlit | 95% of all percentages are made up on the spot :) |
| 17:17.39 | Mikk | i mean.. yes, you could view it as your right to do what you like |
| 17:17.52 | Mikk | i could also view it as my right to oh.. spam this channel so noone else can read |
| 17:18.25 | nevcairiel | I think Shirik would consider some other right of his then :P |
| 17:18.38 | Mikk | probably yes |
| 17:19.00 | Mikk | because he's considering that the vast majority of people in the channel don't want to listen to me spamming |
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| 17:20.15 | foxlit | I'm sure he's considering the channel rules above the vast majority of people |
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| 17:21.10 | Mikk | and how did those rules come to be? |
| 17:21.22 | foxlit | I doubt democratically |
| 17:21.55 | Mikk | nah, it was someone's preconvceived idea about what the channel should be like |
| 17:21.58 | Mikk | q.e.d |
| 17:22.38 | foxlit | It just so happens that your preconceived idea doesn't match blizzard's preconceived idea |
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| 17:22.40 | foxlit | q.e.d |
| 17:22.51 | Lopeppeppy | A privately moderated IRC channel does not equal or even appear equivalent to an AV game. |
| 17:24.34 | Mikk | Quite, there's noone at the rudder. |
| 17:25.06 | Mikk | Yet it is a collection of people gathered to do something, where you can have a reasonable expectancy of others wanting to do the same |
| 17:25.10 | Lopeppeppy | Social bullying by reporting someone as AFK because you don't approve of their gameplay doesn't equal being at the rudder, either. |
| 17:25.17 | Mikk | Not thwrarting them |
| 17:25.24 | Mikk | Not afking and using up the spot that someone else could use |
| 17:25.31 | Lopeppeppy | There's a REASON why it's no longer a manual raid. |
| 17:26.11 | Mikk | Ah yes, those that don't work for the common goal surely deserve the rewards of those that doe |
| 17:26.35 | foxlit | Common goal is to win, yeah? |
| 17:26.41 | foxlit | Not to win using _your_ strategy? |
| 17:27.35 | foxlit | For what it's worth, "that doe" is useless to me |
| 17:27.50 | Mikk | s/doe/do/ |
| 17:27.53 | foxlit | I outgear the battleground pvp rewards - I'm not there for any sort of monetary benefit. I'm there to have fun. You're in the way :) |
| 17:28.22 | foxlit | Luckily, if gear matching works, I shouldn't ever see you :) |
| 17:28.29 | Lopeppeppy | And there we have the two opposing views of PvP, never the two will meet. |
| 17:28.56 | Mikk | "I have nothing to gain from here so I'll just fuck it up for everyone else cause it's more fun for me" vs .... what blizzard most likely intended |
| 17:29.07 | Mikk | Aka egotistical prick vs everyone else |
| 17:29.56 | Mikk | Calling forcing your team to lose a "strategy" is a far stretch on semantics |
| 17:30.01 | foxlit | I find your "fuck up" claim insulting |
| 17:30.27 | Mikk | Well, it's almost a given in our battlegroup |
| 17:30.28 | Lopeppeppy | What you define as "fucking it up" someone else defines a different way. Just because they don't follow your strategy doesn't mean it's wrong. |
| 17:30.30 | Mikk | Someone caps IB -> we lose |
| 17:30.32 | Mikk | Thanks very much! |
| 17:31.01 | Mikk | Lopeppeppy: Getting your entire attack force killed is not a strategy. Don't try to to make it what it is not. |
| 17:31.16 | foxlit | Mikk: your strategy clearly doesn't work |
| 17:31.19 | foxlit | Instead of adjusting it |
| 17:31.21 | Lopeppeppy | Mikk. Not doing what you want them to do is not a crime. Don't try to make it what it isn't. |
| 17:31.31 | foxlit | You're doing... what? Blaming other people? :) |
| 17:31.55 | foxlit | People do win with IB captured, you know |
| 17:32.17 | Mikk | Fine, rephrase: Capturing the last outlying graveyard of the opposing team. |
| 17:32.19 | Mikk | It tends to be IB. |
| 17:32.51 | foxlit | s/IB/all of the outlying graveyards/ |
| 17:33.16 | Mikk | Er yeah when vastly outgearing or numbering the opposing team |
| 17:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | Or just when fighting harder, or when luck is with them, or when the wind blows from the east. |
| 17:33.51 | foxlit | Or, I don't know, outplaying? |
| 17:34.04 | Mikk | Possibly that too |
| 17:34.39 | Mikk | Which isn't too likely to happen in a pickup group where people stick the middle finger in the air and actively work against what everyone else is doing |
| 17:35.04 | foxlit | All of my AV raids are pickups |
| 17:35.08 | Shirik | also, Mikk, (and before I say this, I'm on nobody's side, but...) some people don't think while playing, too. They simply play the game of "if we cap everything, we win." And that strategy makes sense if you don't think about it |
| 17:35.24 | Shirik | Just because someone caps that "last outlying graveyard" doesn't mean that they intended to harm anyone |
| 17:35.28 | foxlit | They seem to work :) |
| 17:35.29 | Shirik | except the other team, of course |
| 17:35.53 | foxlit | What we do get, however is, "zomg you noobs now you've doomed us all" |
| 17:35.55 | Mikk | Well, two pages worth of "DONT CAP IB DAMNIT! THEY DONT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE!" coming from half the raid.... |
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| 17:36.10 | Shirik | half my raid doesn't read chat during raids |
| 17:36.13 | Lopeppeppy | Is boring and not likely to inspire cooperation. |
| 17:36.15 | Mikk | Would cause most normally wired people to think "hm maybe i shouldnt cap IB. I'll piss lots of people off." |
| 17:36.15 | Shirik | I really don't expect them to read it during AV |
| 17:36.17 | Lopeppeppy | I don't read raid chat either. |
| 17:36.20 | foxlit | and we win a few minutes after that. I wish something would kick people upon proclaiming that the game is lost :) |
| 17:36.43 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN6Du3MCgI&NR=1 |
| 17:37.13 | malreth | AV is a degenerate game |
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| 17:37.24 | Lopeppeppy | I do not disagree, malreth |
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| 17:42.29 | Shirik | damn it, there's another race today? |
| 17:42.34 | Shirik | how am I supposed to get food... |
| 17:42.38 | Lopeppeppy | *hug* |
| 17:42.56 | Lopeppeppy | 4th of July weekend festivities getting in your way, dear? |
| 17:43.28 | Shirik | ~stab daytona |
| 17:43.29 | purl | ACTION runs at daytona with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 17:43.43 | Codex|WoW | If they ever come up with a swashbuckling School, I think one of the courses should be Laughing, Then Jumping Off Something. -Jack Handy |
| 17:43.55 | Codex|WoW | eek, lousy script |
| 17:44.52 | Shirik | oh good it starts at 8 |
| 17:45.05 | Shirik | but gates open in 15 minutes... |
| 17:45.37 | Lopeppeppy | Wait an hour for the first flood to die down, go out quick and come back. |
| 17:47.54 | Shirik | !!! http://flash.ijji.com/game.nhn?id=fspmusic&m=startUp |
| 17:48.20 | malreth | BUBBLES!!! |
| 17:48.25 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69HDek6a3k |
| 17:48.26 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 17:48.31 | foxlit | spotlight shines on the weirdest things |
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| 17:50.10 | Codex|WoW | is there a way to select only stackable items in my invebtory? |
| 17:50.21 | Codex|WoW | i run out of space so much, i send all me reagents over to a bank toon while i craft stuff |
| 17:51.10 | Codex|WoW | maybe a macro to go through my bags, and stick all the stackable non-soulbound items into the currently opened mail dialog |
| 17:53.00 | Mikk | There isn't in the standard client |
| 17:53.09 | Mikk | It is certainly possible to code and addon that does it |
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| 17:53.14 | Mikk | I don't think you can fit it in a macro though |
| 17:53.23 | Codex|WoW | i have extended macros |
| 17:53.26 | Codex|WoW | 7k characters |
| 17:53.49 | Hexarobi | wb codex |
| 17:53.55 | Codex|WoW | oh hey hex |
| 17:53.57 | Codex|WoW | sorry bout that |
| 17:54.05 | Mikk | You can filter on pretty much anything mind you |
| 17:54.07 | Codex|WoW | got carried away uninstalling and reinstalling some programds |
| 17:54.09 | Mikk | Item type for instance |
| 17:54.16 | malreth | rough gist, iterate over all items in your inventory, check the item info to see how large the item stacks up to |
| 17:54.17 | Hexarobi | hehe no worries |
| 17:54.25 | Hexarobi | im about to eat, but i wnana get a game in later |
| 17:54.29 | Codex|WoW | sure |
| 17:54.34 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Beta opt-in: https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/beta-opt-in.html |
| 17:54.57 | malreth | off to go play at friend's lake house... happy freedom weekend everyone |
| 17:54.58 | Codex|WoW | i have one of those wotlk beta keys from paris |
| 17:55.04 | Codex|WoW | but i dont want to play the beta |
| 17:55.08 | Codex|WoW | think i could hawk it on ebay? |
| 17:55.19 | Codex|WoW | lol "freedom weekend" |
| 17:55.50 | Codex|WoW | a man got arrested last weekend for dribing with no pants on |
| 17:55.52 | Codex|WoW | how free are we? |
| 17:55.55 | Codex|WoW | driving* |
| 17:58.08 | Shirik | that's a pretty... pointless comment |
| 17:58.26 | Shirik | so should I go out and stab someone to death because I'm free to do whatever I want? |
| 17:58.26 | Fisker- | omg |
| 17:58.27 | Fisker- | i owned |
| 17:58.30 | Fisker- | OWNED Shirik |
| 17:58.31 | Fisker- | i OWNED |
| 17:58.32 | Shirik | America is not an anarchy |
| 17:58.40 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker-!i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (owned?) |
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| 17:58.53 | Drundia | Shirik, yes, please! |
| 17:58.53 | Fisker- | played dota :O |
| 17:58.56 | Fisker- | and our team won |
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| 17:59.13 | Shirik | I need to learn how to play dota |
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| 18:01.02 | Shirik | ah how I love realm forums |
| 18:01.26 | Shirik | "IDAT [a guild] sucks because they let me join but wouldn't let me have any loot from raid wtf don't join them" |
| 18:02.13 | Shirik | these are the times that I think having 18+ only servers would be beneficial to wow |
| 18:03.33 | Shirik | Fisker-, will you teach me to be god at dota? |
| 18:06.06 | Fisker- | i suck at dot |
| 18:06.06 | Fisker- | a |
| 18:06.19 | Fisker- | i really am the worst crybaby at that game |
| 18:06.33 | Fisker- | if we lose i hate you and the game balance is to blame |
| 18:07.00 | Fisker- | i know like 1 recipe |
| 18:07.03 | Fisker- | which is power threads |
| 18:07.38 | Shirik | what's a power thread |
| 18:07.59 | Fisker- | it's those boots that give runspeed + attack speed + stats |
| 18:08.13 | Fisker- | everybody is using it! |
| 18:08.27 | Shirik | oh, I thought it was like a thread that gets its own processor so it gets to do a lot of processing |
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| 18:15.17 | Fisker- | hey Shirik |
| 18:15.20 | Fisker- | you're going to die |
| 18:15.21 | Fisker- | irl |
| 18:15.23 | Fisker- | sorry |
| 18:15.31 | Shirik | I expect to die sometime within the next 90 years or so |
| 18:15.35 | Shirik | this is true |
| 18:15.37 | Fisker- | nah |
| 18:15.40 | Lopeppeppy | It's sort of normal. |
| 18:15.44 | Fisker- | you're going to live for 100's of years |
| 18:16.19 | Shirik | and then I'm going to die? |
| 18:17.12 | Fisker- | yes |
| 18:17.17 | Fisker- | well actually |
| 18:17.17 | Fisker- | no |
| 18:17.22 | Fisker- | YOU ARE INVINCIBLE |
| 18:17.26 | Fisker- | doomed to live for eternity |
| 18:17.48 | Fisker- | good luck when the sun forms a black hole |
| 18:18.22 | Shirik | hm |
| 18:18.29 | Shirik | I always wondered what it would be like to be in a black hole |
| 18:18.43 | Thunder_Child | painfull |
| 18:19.06 | Shirik | but like, why would it be painful? |
| 18:19.15 | Shirik | being squished? |
| 18:19.19 | Thunder_Child | streched |
| 18:19.31 | Thunder_Child | a single molecule wide |
| 18:20.51 | Fisker- | what if the black hole is just a connection to a supergate? |
| 18:20.57 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 18:20.58 | Fisker- | i went there |
| 18:21.20 | MentalPower | the sun is too small to form a black hole |
| 18:21.39 | Shirik | Fisker-, fortunately, I will find out |
| 18:21.40 | Fisker- | it is :(? |
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| 18:21.49 | Shirik | you on the other hand are doomed to never know |
| 18:22.50 | Fisker- | atleast i'll know if the daleks conquer earth |
| 18:22.55 | Fisker- | which they don't of course |
| 18:23.51 | MentalPower | Fisker-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole#Sizes |
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| 18:27.21 | Snago | omg, wikipedia already knows what it would feel like! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole#Effects_of_Falling_into_a_Black_Hole |
| 18:27.35 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 18:27.43 | Codex|WoW | lol "Spaghettification" |
| 18:27.43 | Fisker- | i lol'd |
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| 18:28.07 | Thunder_Child | thats what you get for not listening to me |
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| 18:32.29 | Shirik | <3 Thunder_Child |
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| 18:33.42 | Hexarobi | ok codex you around |
| 18:33.44 | Hexarobi | ? |
| 18:36.38 | cncfanatics | Shirik: ping |
| 18:36.40 | Thunder_Child | yes, ty Shirik....i think |
| 18:36.45 | Shirik | cncfanatics: pong |
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| 18:37.34 | Codex|WoW | since i switched clients from mirc to the invision script, freenode sneds me a pst every time on connect :/ |
| 18:37.49 | cncfanatics | Shirik: did you disable port 443 again on ur ssh ? |
| 18:37.53 | Shirik | it always has, Codayus |
| 18:37.57 | Shirik | Codex|WoW* |
| 18:38.07 | Shirik | cncfanatics: ... kinda. I um.... found out that apache uses 443 :( |
| 18:38.15 | Codex|WoW | oh it didnt on mirc :( |
| 18:38.23 | Shirik | so allowing 443 on my ssh daemon also took down my site |
| 18:38.30 | Shirik | Codex|WoW: Yes it did, it just hid it |
| 18:38.34 | Fisker- | owned Shirik |
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| 18:38.44 | Shirik | specifically, freenode sends you a CTCP |
| 18:38.44 | Fisker- | so linux can't do more than one service on one port |
| 18:38.45 | Fisker- | hohoh |
| 18:38.54 | Shirik | Fisker-... what else would you expect |
| 18:39.02 | Codex|WoW | oh |
| 18:39.05 | Codex|WoW | thanks Shirik |
| 18:39.12 | Shirik | cncfanatics, do you have any other options? >< |
| 18:39.15 | Shirik | does 8080 work? |
| 18:39.31 | Codex|WoW | ehhh wrong button |
| 18:39.36 | Shirik | .... |
| 18:39.47 | Codex|WoW | that wasnt my version check.. lol |
| 18:40.22 | Shirik | cncfanatics: Want me to try permitting connections to ssh over port 80? |
| 18:40.27 | Shirik | er, 8080 |
| 18:40.32 | Shirik | most firewalls let that through |
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| 18:41.10 | Fisker- | atleast if you're incompetent |
| 18:41.58 | DARKGuy | XD |
| 18:42.44 | Fisker- | anyways i might just have gone nuts |
| 18:43.01 | Fisker- | but i'm pretty sure i saw something about being able to use multiple services on one port with with Windows Server 2008 :o |
| 18:43.28 | Shirik | I should use windows server 2008 |
| 18:43.31 | Shirik | just to have it |
| 18:43.34 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 18:43.38 | Shirik | maybe I'll put it on my laptop |
| 18:44.00 | Fisker- | I support the server as desktop-initiative |
| 18:44.04 | Fisker- | atleast with vista out :( |
| 18:44.14 | Fisker- | if only you could in 2008 |
| 18:44.21 | Fisker- | heard they made it pretty much impossible |
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| 18:44.36 | Fisker- | atleast in terms of gaming |
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| 18:45.50 | Shirik | well |
| 18:45.55 | Shirik | server 2003 was like that too |
| 18:45.59 | Shirik | you just had to turn on a lot of things |
| 18:46.11 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 18:46.17 | Fisker- | but i heard that you can't on Server 2008 |
| 18:46.38 | Shirik | oh that sucks |
| 18:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the question? |
| 18:47.15 | Shirik | is it possible to run graphical applications on server 2008 |
| 18:47.16 | Fisker- | is your mother in server 2008? |
| 18:47.17 | Shirik | i.e., wow |
| 18:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 18:47.22 | Fisker- | i disagree Shirik |
| 18:47.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not like they ripped DirectX out of it ;) |
| 18:47.59 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 18:48.03 | Fisker- | i am in disbelief ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:48.16 | Fisker- | do you know if there's some stuff to host multiple services on one port? |
| 18:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Uhh, what? |
| 18:48.39 | Fisker- | like you can only have one service listening on one port usually |
| 18:48.46 | Hexarobi | codex, u ready? |
| 18:48.49 | Fisker- | but i'm pretty sure i saw something about being able to run more services |
| 18:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure you're smoking some potent stuff there, Fisker- |
| 18:49.30 | ScytheBlade1 | But that said if you multihomed the box, you could put different services on the same ports *on different IPs* |
| 18:49.41 | Fisker- | i smoke a lot of stuff |
| 18:49.42 | ScytheBlade1 | But... you can also do that with... win2k |
| 18:49.45 | Fisker- | of course ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:49.46 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 18:49.51 | Fisker- | and any other operating system :P |
| 18:49.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Ding |
| 18:50.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Why is it that when I search for "intel wireless" on newegg it only pulls up two netgear cards? |
| 18:51.41 | Codex|WoW | Hexarobi, yea |
| 18:51.51 | Codex|WoW | alliance side, khaz modan, Codex |
| 18:51.53 | Gnarfoz | because your google-fu sux |
| 18:51.58 | Hexarobi | k |
| 18:52.05 | Codex|WoW | actually hopping on bank alt for 5 seconds |
| 18:52.05 | cncfanatics | back |
| 18:52.09 | Fisker- | i know C# |
| 18:52.11 | Fisker- | show me |
| 18:52.11 | cncfanatics | Shirik: all but 80 and 443 are blocked |
| 18:52.13 | Fisker- | etc. |
| 18:52.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: newegg-fu rather... wtb link to place to buy intel minipci wifi products! |
| 18:52.24 | cncfanatics | and 80 doesn't allow SSL connections |
| 18:52.32 | Fisker- | ISA? |
| 18:52.36 | Gnarfoz | newegg probably, but go by categories instead using search |
| 18:52.39 | Fisker- | Cause then it's unlikely that anyone but 443 does |
| 18:52.42 | Gnarfoz | I don't know search beside google that isn't broken :p |
| 18:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: yeah, they no longer exist :( |
| 18:53.03 | Gnarfoz | wut? lol |
| 18:53.11 | Gnarfoz | way to destroy your own webshop ;D |
| 18:54.03 | Codex|WoW | okay hex |
| 18:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I've got dxdiag on my 2008... |
| 18:54.26 | cncfanatics | Fisker-: ISA ? |
| 18:54.28 | cncfanatics | whats that ? |
| 18:54.32 | Hexarobi | you offline? |
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| 18:55.38 | Codex|WoW | im logging in now |
| 18:55.56 | Hexarobi | k |
| 18:56.30 | Codex|WoW | did u get the challenge? |
| 18:56.34 | Codex|WoW | u might need to /ch join first |
| 19:01.12 | Codex|WoW | aww dangm one of my many addons is re-enabling the mouse tooltip... tiptac has it diabled |
| 19:02.50 | Codex|WoW | mouse tooltip is enabled only on npcs tho, not me or players |
| 19:05.47 | Codex|WoW | any / command to disable the mouse tooltip? |
| 19:09.09 | Gnarfoz | find out which one it is and get rid of it?> |
| 19:09.38 | Codex|WoW | gosh i hate binary search |
| 19:09.51 | Fisker- | bubblesort |
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| 19:10.06 | Codex|WoW | lol bubblesort through my addons? |
| 19:10.09 | Codex|WoW | thatll take even longer |
| 19:10.23 | Fisker- | old |
| 19:10.39 | Fisker- | i like to obvious troll |
| 19:10.47 | Fisker- | isn't that right Shirik? |
| 19:11.04 | Codex|WoW | mousing over players is fine, but npc's have the normal tictac tooltip, and a mouse tooltip too |
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| 19:18.10 | Codex|WoW | is there like a Parent:TooltipMouse:hide kinda thing |
| 19:28.53 | Codex|WoW | is this rainbow? |
| 19:34.30 | Gnarfoz | Codex|WoW: ...? GetMouseFocus():GetParent():Hide() |
| 19:35.02 | Codex|WoW | <string>:"GetMouseFocus():GetParent():Hide()":1: attempt to index a nil value |
| 19:35.02 | Codex|WoW | <in C code>: in function `RunScript' |
| 19:36.18 | Codex|WoW | any special way to use that? |
| 19:36.27 | Codex|WoW | because this mouse tooltip on npc's is hella annoying |
| 19:38.32 | Codex|WoW | oh crap, GetMouseFocus():Hide() was not pretty |
| 19:39.15 | Gnarfoz | also, that will only work for... right then. |
| 19:40.19 | Codex|WoW | hm? |
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| 19:50.26 | Codex|WoW | eek, bartender4 and tradesbar dont play nicely together. all of the tradesbar icons are from my bartender bars |
| 19:50.38 | nevcairiel | whats tradebar? |
| 19:50.55 | Codex|WoW | tradesbar* |
| 19:51.03 | Codex|WoW | shows a bar with all your profession links |
| 19:51.09 | Codex|WoW | click to show engineer, smelting, cooking etc |
| 19:51.18 | nevcairiel | I wonder why it break with bt4 |
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| 19:51.37 | Codex|WoW | for example, i mouse over what should be smelting, and its my dampen magic spell |
| 19:51.43 | Codex|WoW | icon* |
| 19:51.50 | Codex|WoW | its actually smelting with the dampen magic macro icon |
| 19:53.23 | Codex|WoW | ehh could be because i have 2 addons running, tradenar and tradesbar |
| 19:53.30 | Codex|WoW | i sense an old version running with a new version |
| 19:53.31 | Codex|WoW | brb |
| 19:55.04 | AbsoRayne | I broke eePanels |
| 19:55.06 | AbsoRayne | Yay |
| 19:56.13 | AbsoRayne | Actually I broke alot of things. O_o |
| 19:57.28 | AbsoRayne | What the hell did I do... |
| 19:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Only you will ever know! |
| 19:59.16 | AbsoRayne | Aparently |
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| 19:59.35 | AbsoRayne | Prat, eePanels and XLoot are throwing errors. O_o |
| 19:59.47 | AbsoRayne | This sounds like an issue for....LIBRARY MAN! |
| 20:01.26 | AbsoRayne | ..\eepanels2\core.lua:1546: attempt to concatenate field 'name' (a nil value) |
| 20:01.28 | AbsoRayne | Thats a new one |
| 20:04.00 | Codex|WoW | all of the Loado n demand addons that start with Lib in my addon dir |
| 20:04.04 | Codex|WoW | should i have them all enabled |
| 20:04.07 | Codex|WoW | or it doesnt matter? |
| 20:04.24 | Fisker- | >:O |
| 20:04.28 | Fisker- | EXTERMINIEREN :O |
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| 20:04.56 | Mikk | Codex|WoW: Yes, enabled. |
| 20:05.05 | Codex|WoW | thank mikk |
| 20:05.18 | Codex|WoW | even the old ace2 one? |
| 20:05.19 | Codex|WoW | lol |
| 20:05.23 | Mikk | Yes. |
| 20:05.33 | Mikk | If they are load on demand, and nothing demands them, they will not be loaded. |
| 20:05.34 | Codex|WoW | thanks |
| 20:05.46 | Mikk | If you know for sure nothing uses them, you can of course remove them. |
| 20:05.50 | Codex|WoW | im trying to find what rogue addon is giving me a mouse tooltip when i dont wanto ne :( |
| 20:06.12 | Mikk | It won't be a library |
| 20:11.51 | kd3 | anyone know a quick (and sub-90 char) way to get the item id from a link? |
| 20:12.33 | foxlit | tonumber(l:match("item:(%d+)")) ? |
| 20:13.47 | Maldivia | now the question is, what to do with the remaining 60 chars :) |
| 20:15.24 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/90664 take your pick |
| 20:16.08 | Codex|WoW | well ive gone through my entire addon library disabling all the addons that may or may not show a rogue mouse tooltip |
| 20:16.14 | Codex|WoW | but no luck |
| 20:17.31 | Codex|WoW | only thing that shows them is npcs and player pets |
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| 20:26.24 | foxlit | if you're concatting |
| 20:26.26 | foxlit | remove tonumber |
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| 21:01.04 | Dashkal | stupid long weekend, so quiet here. I thought we were geeks :p |
| 21:02.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Conversation comes and goes |
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| 21:06.44 | AbsoRayne | http://i27.tinypic.com/2edp75e.jpg Thoughts anyone? |
| 21:07.52 | Codex|WoW | spent an hour trying to find out which addon is causing a rogue mouse tooltip |
| 21:07.57 | Codex|WoW | someone write a detection script lol |
| 21:11.21 | Kaso | i see no mouse tooltip? |
| 21:11.35 | Codex|WoW | sorry? |
| 21:12.16 | Kaso | Youre looking for a addon that causes a rogue mouse tooltip. but i dont see a mouse tooltip in there? |
| 21:12.31 | Codex|WoW | i use tiptac for tooltips |
| 21:12.36 | Codex|WoW | and i have it anchored at the bottom right |
| 21:12.42 | Codex|WoW | but for some reason today i also have a mouse tooltip |
| 21:12.47 | Codex|WoW | on pets mobs and npc's |
| 21:12.55 | Codex|WoW | its an ugly unformatted tooltip |
| 21:13.00 | Codex|WoW | so i dont know wher its from |
| 21:13.21 | Kaso | Anything changed? |
| 21:13.31 | Kaso | New addons, updated addons ? |
| 21:13.39 | Codex|WoW | i ran wau |
| 21:13.45 | Codex|WoW | extractedt he new cartographer collection |
| 21:13.56 | Codex|WoW | and wowchess |
| 21:14.06 | Codex|WoW | nothing else new |
| 21:14.52 | Kaso | Tried reverting/disabling new stuff? |
| 21:14.56 | Codex|WoW | yea :( |
| 21:15.05 | Codex|WoW | and i dont know how to see what wua did this morning |
| 21:15.08 | Codex|WoW | because ive ran it since |
| 21:15.12 | Codex|WoW | oh, on a quick off note |
| 21:15.19 | Codex|WoW | with no mods on, i can open the social frame in combat |
| 21:15.23 | Codex|WoW | but with moveanything on, i cant |
| 21:15.24 | Codex|WoW | why? |
| 21:15.38 | Kaso | taint no doubt |
| 21:15.44 | Codex|WoW | it says "unnavailable in combat" :( |
| 21:16.01 | Codex|WoW | only things tainted were ctraid assist and tradesbar |
| 21:16.27 | Kaso | Cant you set move anything to not work with social frame? |
| 21:16.52 | Codex|WoW | yea but it still wont let it open :( |
| 21:17.28 | Codex|WoW | oh man all the addon problems :( |
| 21:18.52 | Kaso | For the tooltip thing you can write a quick script to print the names of all visble tooltips |
| 21:19.01 | Codex|WoW | !!! |
| 21:19.03 | Codex|WoW | how? |
| 21:21.22 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.26 | Kaso | that should doya |
| 21:21.28 | Codex|WoW | sec |
| 21:21.33 | Codex|WoW | if it works i love long time |
| 21:22.48 | Codex|WoW | so i mouse over a mob that shows the tooltip and type it in? |
| 21:22.49 | Codex|WoW | works perfect |
| 21:22.52 | Codex|WoW | now to try and disable |
| 21:23.35 | Kaso | how many tooltips did it give? |
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| 21:25.51 | Shirik|Ecole | So I just saw the best error message ever |
| 21:25.53 | Shirik|Ecole | # mkdir linux |
| 21:25.55 | Shirik|Ecole | mkdir: linux: No such file or directory |
| 21:26.01 | Codex|WoW | critline, hiddencooldown, game, another hiddnecooldown, pawnpivate, smartbuff |
| 21:26.59 | Kaso | now you can go though doing whatevername:Hide() to see if its the one you want. |
| 21:27.15 | Kaso | no doubt a few of those tooltips are for parsing, whateer |
| 21:27.55 | Codex|WoW | like CritLineToolTip():Hide()? |
| 21:28.10 | Kaso | Loose the first brackets |
| 21:28.27 | Kaso | if the "bad" one disapears then its your one, if not try next |
| 21:32.09 | Codex|WoW | ok, this is gonna sound really strange |
| 21:32.21 | Codex|WoW | i have fading tooltips on. i moused over a mob, and it was tiptac, my tooltip mod |
| 21:32.26 | Codex|WoW | it faded, then i ran the script again |
| 21:32.33 | Codex|WoW | the mouse tooltip did NOT fade, but nothing showed up |
| 21:33.12 | Codex|WoW | so its there but not detected |
| 21:34.00 | Kaso | so it was visible on screen? but not showing up on the script? |
| 21:34.21 | Codex|WoW | yes |
| 21:34.32 | Codex|WoW | let me upload a quick screenshot of it to photobucket |
| 21:35.17 | AbsoRayne | You know your server is farming content hard when theyre selling 30 extra sunmotes... |
| 21:36.10 | Matrix110 | Sunwell Trash is fail³ |
| 21:36.24 | Codex|WoW | Kaso http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/Codexius/rogue.jpg |
| 21:36.36 | Matrix110 | They didnt adjust the droprates of the patterns when removing the Boss Item cash in |
| 21:36.53 | Codex|WoW | Kaso youll notice a rogue tooltip, and a good one at bottom right |
| 21:37.14 | Kaso | the rogue tooltip is attached to mouse? |
| 21:37.19 | Codex|WoW | yes |
| 21:37.27 | Codex|WoW | not on players tho |
| 21:37.35 | Codex|WoW | pets npcs totems mobs only |
| 21:37.36 | Kaso | ok well y ou can quickly check for all tooltips anchored to mouse |
| 21:38.17 | Codex|WoW | is it easy? |
| 21:39.29 | Lunessa | station. |
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| 21:58.55 | Dreagar | does anyone know how to tell if you've changed zones? like after a hearth? i captured the hearth succeed, but the loction i collect is only before, and i wanna do a loc afterwards. |
| 22:01.22 | Kaso | Dreagar, you can check events for location change |
| 22:01.32 | Dreagar | is there like a zonechanged method or somethin in the api that i'm not seeing? an event? location change.. kk kaso, i'll check |
| 22:02.56 | Kaso | Check out "MINIMAP_ZONE_CHANGED" / "ZONE_CHANGED" events |
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| 22:04.54 | Dreagar | ZONE_CHANGED looks like it'll do it. thanks Kaso. :) |
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| 22:13.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone around knowledgable in audio hardware? Stereos, digital receivers, digital links and such? |
| 22:21.17 | Dreagar | worked great, perfectly, thanks for the help kaso. :) |
| 22:22.01 | Codex|WoW | see if anyone can figure this out: im running a script to detect a tooltip that i keep seeing on my mobs because its not supposed to be there. however, the script is not picking up any tooltips, yet i SEE one. the script IS working correctly. |
| 22:22.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Codex|WoW: we'd have to see the script |
| 22:22.34 | Codex|WoW | ./run local a = EnumerateFrames() while a do if a:GetFrameType() =="GameTooltip" and select(2,a:GetOwner())==ANCHOR_CURSOR and a:IsVisible() then ChatFrame1:AddMessage(a:GetName()) end a = EnumerateFrames(a) end |
| 22:22.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Codex|WoW: note that many tooltip addons hide the default game tooltip and create their own |
| 22:22.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Which are not always of the GameTooltip type |
| 22:23.22 | Codex|WoW | it is picking up TipTacTooltip when my PROPER tooltip is dhown. but once that fades (i set it to 5 sec) i still see the annoying mouse tooltip but the script doesnt pick anything up |
| 22:23.29 | Codex|WoW | shown* |
| 22:23.58 | nevcairiel | its probably a normal frame |
| 22:24.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 22:24.05 | nevcairiel | and not a GameTooltip |
| 22:24.40 | Codex|WoW | a normal frame on my mouse? |
| 22:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | You can anchor frames to the mouse, sure |
| 22:25.14 | nevcairiel | or to other real tooltips for that matter |
| 22:25.17 | Codex|WoW | so what would i replace "GameTooltip" with in the script to detect frames |
| 22:25.36 | cncfanatics | imo, check if a frame has the same location as your mouse |
| 22:25.40 | cncfanatics | if it has, print it out there |
| 22:25.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It might just be easier to read the addon source in question |
| 22:25.53 | cncfanatics | no need to do any more checks then that + IsVisible |
| 22:26.05 | Codex|WoW | not sure which addon it is scycthe |
| 22:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Binary search for you |
| 22:26.19 | cncfanatics | Codex|WoW: the fastest would be a binary search tbh |
| 22:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd argue that your problem isn't your script, it's your methods :) |
| 22:26.34 | cncfanatics | anyway, I'm going to bed, g'night |
| 22:26.35 | Codex|WoW | binary search would be faster than the script to detect frames on my mouse? |
| 22:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | night |
| 22:26.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Codex|WoW: considering the time you've spent on it, you would have found it hours ago |
| 22:26.50 | cncfanatics | Codex|WoW: try what I said, if that doesn't work do a binary search |
| 22:28.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Three-ish hours of trying to find the problem through script based methods would have been reduced to 15 minutes at most via binary addon search |
| 22:29.25 | Codex|WoW | lol |
| 22:29.57 | Codex|WoW | anyone here use loadit to manage addons? |
| 22:30.06 | Codex|WoW | it appears the Profile saving is no longer functioning |
| 22:30.14 | Codex|WoW | and id love to be able to reset my ui to normal after the search |
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| 22:33.09 | cncfanatics | Codex|WoW: http://www.pastey.net/90667 |
| 22:33.13 | cncfanatics | that *should* do |
| 22:33.16 | cncfanatics | no guarantees though |
| 22:33.48 | cncfanatics | corect any errors I made, now I'm going to bed |
| 22:33.55 | Codex|WoW | gnite |
| 22:41.34 | Kaso | cncfanatics fails at comparison/assignment mixing up1 |
| 22:45.57 | foxlit | heh, there's still a flame in shattrah |
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| 22:58.36 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 22:58.36 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 22:59.22 | AbsoRayne | o_o |
| 23:04.14 | Codex|WoW | is the spellbook frame openable in combat normally? |
| 23:04.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 23:04.51 | Codex|WoW | so why the heck does movenaything write "moveanything-> spellbook frame not available during combat" |
| 23:05.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Because something has tainted the spellbook frame |
| 23:05.41 | Kaso | i said that! :p |
| 23:05.57 | Codex|WoW | maybe its time to upgrade to moveit |
| 23:06.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not necessarily moveanything that's tainting the spellbook frame (however likely) |
| 23:06.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It could be anything |
| 23:06.52 | Codex|WoW | but its saying moveanything->spellbookframe |
| 23:07.01 | Codex|WoW | is that moveanything throwing that error or the wow lcient? |
| 23:07.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That means nothing |
| 23:07.09 | Drundia | maybe because frame movement is done using SetPoint() rather than StartMoving() and StopMovingOrSizing() |
| 23:08.35 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're really super curious, turn on the taint log and you can find out what is tainting that frame |
| 23:08.35 | Codex|WoW | ill tey the mod moveit |
| 23:08.46 | Codex|WoW | try* |
| 23:10.23 | Codex|WoW | yaay |
| 23:10.44 | Codex|WoW | oh btw who here uses critline? |
| 23:12.51 | Kaso | ignore my fiddling |
| 23:13.28 | foxlit | Codex|WoW: is the spellbook frame openable in combat normally? |
| 23:13.41 | Codex|WoW | yea, it was moveanything taiting it |
| 23:13.43 | foxlit | Not automatically |
| 23:13.46 | Codex|WoW | i replaced moveanything with moveit |
| 23:13.49 | Codex|WoW | and all is good |
| 23:14.03 | foxlit | I further object to this whole tainting explanation |
| 23:15.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm wrong often enough as-is, why not throw another on the pile? ;) |
| 23:15.46 | Kaso | taint is the most usual explanation for things not working in combat |
| 23:15.55 | Codex|WoW | so every time i load my ui nad log in, critline shows a stupid bar of my highest crit with no option to disable it permanently-- only for the session |
| 23:16.07 | Codex|WoW | hmm actually let me see if i can use moveit to hide the frame |
| 23:16.10 | foxlit | clearly, removing moveanything would prevent _moveanything_ from writing "moveanything-> spellbook frame not available during combat" |
| 23:18.04 | Gnarfoz | should have probably just told moveanything NOT to move the spellbookframe at all |
| 23:18.08 | Gnarfoz | would have solved the problem, too ^^ |
| 23:21.08 | Codex|WoW | kaso was cnc's macro supposed to print something? |
| 23:21.37 | Kaso | only if his theory was right |
| 23:21.54 | ScytheBlade1 | You'd be better off just doing a binary search. |
| 23:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Backup your addons.txt or whatever file it is |
| 23:22.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Have at it |
| 23:22.12 | ScytheBlade1 | When you find the addon, restore the file and your addons are back to normal |
| 23:23.10 | Codex|WoW | im doing it by aplhabetical letter |
| 23:23.36 | Codex|WoW | i guess if i ind the addon, just report the rogue mouse tooltip to the author? |
| 23:24.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That would probably be just fine, yes. |
| 23:24.04 | Codex|WoW | you have no idea how annoying it is for someone who hates mouse tooltips to have one all the itme |
| 23:24.20 | Kaso | that and revert to a previous working version to that addon |
| 23:24.33 | Codex|WoW | damn i ALWAYS do this, and I KNEW i was gonna do this-- i disabled my addon manager during the alphabetical scan through |
| 23:24.34 | Codex|WoW | :( |
| 23:24.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Which makes me wonder why you didn't just do a binary search instead of spending four hours asking about how to find it ;) |
| 23:24.48 | Codex|WoW | lol, i just HATE binary search :( |
| 23:25.02 | Codex|WoW | did it too much through my wow career |
| 23:25.04 | ScytheBlade1 | You backup your addon config file (.txt) |
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| 23:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Spend maybe 10 minutes |
| 23:25.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Restore it, done, bam |
| 23:25.23 | Codex|WoW | yes, i agree youre right |
| 23:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 4 hours vs 10 minutes, and you'd rather not do the binary search? ;) |
| 23:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Hate on it all you please, but geez man |
| 23:25.46 | Codex|WoW | hehe |
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| 23:26.44 | Codex|WoW | just found a wicked cool mod called cargExplorer- i recommend you all check it out |
| 23:27.15 | Codex|WoW | oh how come when certain mods are disabled then reenabled it forgets where the frame ws located? |
| 23:27.19 | Codex|WoW | not saved in savedvariables? |
| 23:27.30 | Gnarfoz | yes. |
| 23:27.36 | amro | I think that's in layoutcache |
| 23:28.13 | Gnarfoz | and frame positions not corresponding to any addon loaded when layout-cache.txt is updated (i.e. on logout) are lost |
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| 23:29.06 | Legorol | Gnarfoz: that's slightly incorrect |
| 23:29.15 | Gnarfoz | correct me, then? |
| 23:29.29 | Gnarfoz | he answered his own question anyway |
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| 23:30.05 | Legorol | Positions for frames that didn't have SetUserPlaced called on them (or implied by the corresponding XML attribute) don't save their location when you log out. |
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| 23:30.17 | Legorol | It's an attribute of the frame, not tied to an AddOn |
| 23:30.34 | Legorol | The practical end results is what you say, in the majority of the cases |
| 23:31.25 | foxlit | 'property' is probably a better term |
| 23:31.33 | foxlit | since attributes conflict with something else :) |
| 23:31.48 | Legorol | well, actually, it is an attribute :) this meaning of "attribute" came before the secure stuff started using it for something else |
| 23:31.50 | kd3 | gah. why, why did I get sunburned yesterday? it's impossible to find a comfy position to sit in |
| 23:31.52 | Legorol | so blame the secure stuff |
| 23:32.06 | Legorol | XML files for frames had attributes in them. |
| 23:32.26 | Legorol | They are called attributes in the definition of XML, and were referred to as attributes as they should be. |
| 23:32.27 | *** part/#wowuidev Tem (n=tard@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem) |
| 23:32.29 | Cide | sure, but calling it a property makes more sense now :P |
| 23:32.33 | Codex|WoW | ugh heres an annoying one- trying to use moveit to rescale the timeuntilafk anchor- moveit says that you must control + mouse wheel to scale the selected anchor, but mousewheeling gets the timeuntilafk anchor to leave, caushing moveit to crash, lol |
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| 23:32.55 | Legorol | Cide: no, whining that whoever came up with the word "attribute" for the secure stuff should've thought better is a better action on my part :P |
| 23:33.24 | Cide | sounds like trying to think of an excuse to be ambiguous to me :P |
| 23:35.10 | Legorol | i'm just trying to do bitch at the people who didn't realise it would cause conflict |
| 23:35.23 | Cide | I agree |
| 23:36.16 | Codex|WoW | i have the mod cartographer_trainers disabled, however on login it spitso ut 2 lua errors |
| 23:36.19 | Cide | I think it would've helped if whoever came up with that name took other people's opinions - for example yours - into consideration before settling on such an improper term |
| 23:37.12 | Codex|WoW | any idea on that one? |
| 23:37.26 | Cide | Codex|WoW: nope |
| 23:37.51 | Codex|WoW | cartographer trainer is disabled but bugsack spits out: |
| 23:37.51 | Codex|WoW | Cartographer_Trainers-1.0\addon.lua:7: Cannot find a library instance of "LibBabble-CreatureType-3.0". |
| 23:37.52 | Codex|WoW | !Swatter-5.0.PRE.3164 (BillyGoat)\Libs\SlideBar\SlideMain.lua:63: in function `LibStub' |
| 23:37.52 | Codex|WoW | Cartographer_Trainers-1.0\addon.lua:7: in main chunk |
| 23:38.05 | Cide | in that case, no, it's not disabled |
| 23:38.16 | Codex|WoW | sorry? |
| 23:38.25 | Cide | you damn well be. |
| 23:38.42 | Codex|WoW | on the main list, its not licked |
| 23:38.45 | Codex|WoW | clicked* |
| 23:39.10 | Codex|WoW | oh wait thats weird, theres no Cartographer_Trainer on main list, just _nnTrainer |
| 23:39.10 | amro | double check. maybe it's disabled for a different character |
| 23:39.19 | Legorol | I don't remember offhand, but trainer may also be embedded in Cartographer |
| 23:39.29 | Legorol | so disabling it in addon list just disables the standalone copy |
| 23:40.05 | Cide | Legorol: wouldn't the error message be different then? |
| 23:40.11 | Cide | it doesn't list Cartographer in the path |
| 23:40.16 | Codex|WoW | does the color code in this have anything to do with the letters nn: Title: Cartographer [|cffeda55fTrainers|r] |
| 23:40.16 | Cide | just Cartographer_Trainers-1.0 |
| 23:40.35 | Legorol | even more proof that it's a subfolder in an addon, no? |
| 23:40.43 | Cide | how so? |
| 23:40.44 | Legorol | if a file is in the main addon folder, it doesn't list any folder names at all |
| 23:40.45 | Codex|WoW | nope just ran a search |
| 23:41.05 | Legorol | or does it? |
| 23:41.11 | Cide | Legorol: pretty sure it does |
| 23:41.26 | Codex|WoW | the addon locatedi n cartographer_trainer is called cartographer_nntrainer in the main list... could that be messing it up causing it to be "not found"? |
| 23:42.01 | Legorol | Codayus: i have a suspicion you have trunkated the error message and didn't copy/paste it correctly |
| 23:42.04 | Legorol | is that possible? |
| 23:42.10 | Legorol | bah, Codex|WoW, not Codayus |
| 23:42.30 | Codex|WoW | [2008/07/05 19:35:27-269-x1]: Cartographer_Trainers-1.0\addon.lua:7: Cannot find a library instance of "LibBabble-CreatureType-3.0". |
| 23:42.30 | Codex|WoW | !Swatter-5.0.PRE.3164 (BillyGoat)\Libs\SlideBar\SlideMain.lua:63: in function `LibStub' |
| 23:42.30 | Codex|WoW | Cartographer_Trainers-1.0\addon.lua:7: in main chunk |
| 23:42.33 | Nargiddley | I see 2 versions of Trainers on the svn, _nnTrainers and _Trainers |
| 23:42.51 | Codex|WoW | thats the full error |
| 23:43.03 | Codex|WoW | and the 2nd it pops is [2008/07/05 19:35:27-269-x1]: Cartographer_Trainers-1.0\import.lua:1: Cartographer Trainers not found! |
| 23:43.03 | Codex|WoW | Cartographer_Trainers-1.0\import.lua:1: in main chunk |
| 23:43.03 | Codex|WoW | --- |
| 23:43.28 | Codex|WoW | i just extracted the updated-today full cartographer collection today |
| 23:43.32 | Codex|WoW | but ive been getting this for a while |
| 23:43.42 | Nargiddley | that error is not from the addon you'r looking at in the addon screen |
| 23:44.02 | Legorol | aha, it's debugstack that's inconsistent about path naming |
| 23:45.08 | Codex|WoW | im just tired of bugsack screaming bout those 2 errors every time i log in |
| 23:45.16 | Codex|WoW | FATALITY! |
| 23:45.17 | Legorol | Codex|WoW: i actually get the same error, but i just ignore it each time |
| 23:45.28 | Codex|WoW | me too, but was just wondering if anyone had a fix |
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| 23:45.51 | Legorol | I get this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/90671 |
| 23:45.58 | Codex|WoW | Kaso i have narrowed it down to the rogue tooltip starts with the letter m!!! |
| 23:46.20 | Codex|WoW | thats the second one i get |
| 23:46.29 | Codex|WoW | thats not bugsack is it? |
| 23:46.39 | Legorol | nope |
| 23:46.46 | Legorol | it's Swatter |
| 23:47.00 | Legorol | but mine is slightly different, mine doesn't have -1.0 appended |
| 23:47.13 | Codex|WoW | hm i have swatter enabled to |
| 23:47.18 | Codex|WoW | ./swatter brings it up? |
| 23:47.23 | Codex|WoW | too8 |
| 23:47.25 | Codex|WoW | too* |
| 23:47.44 | Legorol | for me it does |
| 23:47.50 | Codex|WoW | not me :( |
| 23:47.56 | Legorol | i'm sure it does for you as well if you page through all the errors you get on login |
| 23:48.07 | Legorol | although i don't have bugsack, i have no idea if they conflict or not |
| 23:48.14 | Nargiddley | Codex|WoW, look for another version of Trainers in the addon list, called 'Cartographer Trainers' with Trainers colored |
| 23:48.38 | Codex|WoW | Legorol swatter wouldnt be a prereq for any other addon would it? |
| 23:48.47 | Codex|WoW | im thinking its needed by auctioneer for some reason |
| 23:48.49 | Legorol | don't think so |
| 23:49.08 | Codex|WoW | Nargiddley yourw a genius, found that |
| 23:49.11 | Codex|WoW | youre* |
| 23:49.20 | Codex|WoW | if i have both of the trainer mods enabled, it should shut up? |
| 23:49.45 | Nargiddley | No idea, but the error is coming from that one, not nnTrainers |
| 23:50.14 | Codex|WoW | nah im just gonna disable em both then |
| 23:50.37 | Codex|WoW | k im a few addons away from fidning the rogue tooltip, brb |
| 23:50.37 | Nargiddley | nnTrainers would have Cartographer_nnTrainers as the directory in the error message |
| 23:50.41 | Codex|WoW | starts with letter m i think |
| 23:54.29 | Codex|WoW | its either mobmap or mobinfo |
| 23:56.10 | Codex|WoW | found it |
| 23:56.30 | Codex|WoW | tooltip was coming from MobInfo |
| 23:56.38 | Codex|WoW | aww but i loved mobinfo :( |
| 23:58.17 | Codex|WoW | oh |
| 23:58.24 | Codex|WoW | simple tickbox "show tooltip at mouse" |
| 23:59.00 | Codex|WoW | reaaaly hard |
| 23:59.58 | Codex|WoW | what program do you guys all use to delete undeletable files |
