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00:02.12Codexiusugh, latest tradesbar and ctraidassist causing combat taints :(
00:02.14Dreagargrr, hm. ok, so the UI_INFO_MESSAGE outputs: Mottled Boar Slain: 3/10, and ERR_QUEST_ADD_KILL_SII = %s slain: %d/%d, how do i make see if the UI_info output matches the ERR string?
00:02.44Dreagarstring.match?
00:02.52KirovDreagar - look at format
00:02.55Dreagarformat. kk
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00:04.56Dreagarso if arg1 == string.format(arg1, ERR_QUEST_ADD_KILL_SII) sound right?
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00:05.23Dreagarwait, i've got those reversed.
00:05.55Mike-N-GoYou are seeing if arg1 equates to itself filtered by ERR_QUEST_ADD_KILL_SII?
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00:06.20KirovAh, wait, you're trying to see if a specific UI_INFO_MESSAGE was created from ERR_QUEST_ADD_KILL_SII?
00:06.49Dreagaryes :)
00:06.54Dreagarexactly
00:07.13KirovThat's not a simple issue
00:07.16Dreagarfor the record, the previous line producs an error. lol
00:07.24KirovYes, it should
00:07.43Kirovstring.format is what creates the string that UI_INFO_MESSAGE sends
00:08.15Dreagarwhat i'm trying to do, is collect all quest events. killing a quest mob, looting a quest item, and doing a quest objective.
00:08.21Kirovarg1 == string.format(ERR_QUEST_ADD_KILL_SII,"Mottled Boar Slain", 3, 10)
00:08.25Dreagarand put it in a table as to the location.
00:09.15Dreagarthe only thing i haven't been able to collect another way is things like when you have to cast manatap at a creature for the blood elf starting quests.
00:09.46Dreagarso i'm thinkin the ui_info will make that easier, but interpretting the actual message is what the problem is
00:11.28Dreagarsince quest messages aren't the only UI_INFO messages, i gotta figure out when they are quest objective met messages. :(
00:12.39KirovYou have to do two thing, you have to modify, either by hand or by code, the ERR_QUEST strings to regular expressions, then use string.match to see if you get information out
00:12.56KirovOr, you could just use the events that control the quest log.
00:17.07Dreagarwell, i suppose i could take a look at the quest log events again, see which one changes the 1/19 to 2/19 etc..
00:17.24Dreagarquest log updated should fire every time one of those things happens yea?
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00:18.33KirovYes, quest log and the quest watch frame
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00:27.17Lunessa.. this Fx Extension is .. sexy:  http://yellow5.us/firefox/linkification
00:27.57Dreagarawesome, so just compare the quest log before the update to the log after the update to figure out the change, and log the location. :) much easier than i was doing.
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01:34.36CodexiusI use rs_classcolors to colr the names of players, but I have chatmod too, but i cant find where the player directory is stored
01:34.38Codexiusi want to reset it
01:34.51Codexiustoo many names like "enough" and "item" are clogging up every day chat
01:35.16Codexiusthere isnt an rs_classcolor file in the wtf dir
01:35.45Codexiusoh, find it
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01:39.27Lunessa... Ok, 2 hours left, and all the work is done.
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01:44.14Dreagarcan i have some advice?
01:45.07Dreagari'm trying to use update quest log event to figure out when you've completed a quest directive, IE: Slay a quest mob, loot a quest item, or do a quest objective such as mana tap a mob.
01:45.36LukianDreagar, look at how existing addons do it?
01:46.26Dreagarwhat my problem is, is that i can't seem to figure out how to tell what's changed in the questlog. i have lookd at the leaderboards etc, and save all that data between updates, but even if i assign it all to a different table at the end, the data gets reassigned before i can check the differences. ;(
01:46.36Dreagarhmm. do you know of any addons that do that?
01:48.00Dreagarthere's only one type of quest i can't figure out how to capture, and if i can find an easier way than using quest log update i'm al ears. :) but the one kind of quest i haven't seemed to be able to capture is when you do things like you have to mana tap a creature.
01:48.13Dreagari've been able to capture quest kills, and picking up quest items.
01:48.20Dreagarusing other methods
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01:49.43Dreagari'm just stuck with these non-kill, non-pickup quest directives. :( can't seem to figure a way to compare the quest log without losing the data before its compared.
01:49.56Dreagarand i can't figure another way to check when somethin is done. :(
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02:00.44LunessaDreagar: are you watching the same events that the QuestWatcherFrame is looking at?
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02:02.11Lunessa.. wait, I have the name wrong...
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02:05.31Dreagaryeah, i suppose i am. and i just found out that UNIT_QUEST_LOG_CHANGE event fires when those events happen that are not killing mobs or looting items. strangely enough.
02:06.31Dreagarthe problem still stands though, that when the quest log updates, the table i was using with the old values, gets overwritten with the new vvalues before i can compare the two. so never know which quest actually fired. :(
02:07.36LunessaOh,  sounds like you need a meta table.
02:08.07LunessaYou want a table that keeps the old data when new data gets written.
02:08.11Dreagaroh hell. i just haven't been able to figure those out. ~sigh~ so close to finishin this project. damnit. lol
02:08.26Dreagarok, i suppose i'll go start researchin the pil and see if i can figger it out
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02:28.40Codexiusanyone remember the name of the mod that handles snowballs and heavy leather balls?
02:38.06Shirikok, I just got an in-game mail from "Unknown"
02:38.22Shirikwith 7g, 2 lv 65 waters, 4 lv 1 waters, and 2 lv 1 breads
02:38.54kd3toon that got deleted?
02:39.11Corrodiasprobably transferring his goods from an alt he was recreating to his main, temporarily
02:39.17Corrodiasor something
02:39.17Shirikoh I know the deleted part
02:39.20Shirikbut what's with the items...
02:39.31Corrodiasbut got shirik's name in the box instead of his main's
02:39.41Shirikwell it said "hey" as the subject line
02:39.49Shirikso that doesn't seem to be that he wanted to send it to himself
02:39.51Corrodiasi'd start asking in Trade if anybody just mailed you accidentally
02:39.59Corrodiasi could see typing that as a random subject
02:40.17Corrodiasthat is, if you care about getting it back to the original owner
02:40.29Shirikhow many tells do you think I'll get if I put that in trade chat
02:40.58Corrodiasif you don't say what you received, i'd say few
02:41.29Corrodiasask anyone who responds for the subject
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02:47.29Sixenlol
02:47.35SixenI keep typing /join #wowuilounge
02:47.38Sixen:(
02:55.27batricki must be emo
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03:01.10LunessaGet some Neosporin.
03:04.44kd3oh wow... tampa bay just swept the red sox
03:04.46kd3o_O;
03:04.54Dreagarthis is freakin impossible. :(
03:05.22Dreagaranyone know of a way to capture when a quest that doesn't involve killing a mob or looting an item happens?
03:05.42Tekkub"when"?
03:05.46DreagarIE: the quest for blood elves that tells you to mana tap 6 mobs. i can't collect when a mob is manatapped
03:06.08Dreagarbasically i want the location of where the player was when the event happens
03:06.30TekkubI believe that QUEST_LOG_UPDATE fires any time a quest changes
03:06.46Tekkubso you just need to keep track of the current state and see what changed
03:06.59Dreagari have been trying to do it through searching the questlog during and after an quest log update, and quest log changed. but the data doesn't change in time for me to get it. :(
03:07.41Tekkubyea that's the event TG is using for objectives that trigger on a partial quest change
03:08.38Dreagari've tried getting the data and keeping the state 4 different ways, using metatables, and using a boolean to tell if the data needs to be updated. i've tried simply updating the old flag of have from the leaderboard to a table, and none of it is working, either the data gets changed and moved over before i can search it, or it happens later and doesn't work either. :(
03:09.01Dreagaryou know of any addons that do somethin like this so i can check out how they do it? wowlooter from wowhead don't do that. :(
03:10.08Tekkubdoesn't seem that useful to me
03:10.22cog|awayDreagar: the default UI? it has a quest tracker.... obviously it knows when you've gotten the next thing in a quest
03:10.25Tekkubmass majority of the quests involve interacting with an NPC or node
03:10.40Tekkubcog|away, that only works if the player's USING it
03:10.52Tekkubit has it's own event
03:10.55Dreagarare there methods specific to the quest tracker or events that show when it's updated?
03:11.06Dreagarbut it only works if it actually being used? damnit
03:11.11Tekkubyes
03:11.22cog|awayso turn it on and keep the frame hidden
03:11.41Tekkubcog|away, nasty idea
03:11.44Dreagarwell, i collect the quest stuff for when you kill a quest mob, or loot a quest item from the looting event.
03:11.50cog|awayO.o
03:12.14Tekkubif the player isn't using the tracker they're most likely using a tracker addon
03:12.17Dreagarand going to collect when you're talking to a quest mob using the player changed target event.
03:12.28Tekkuband those don't always get along great with the default tracking
03:12.30cog|awayobviously tracker addons get their data from somewhere
03:12.46Fisker-it's not working
03:12.48Fisker-blargh i'm ded
03:12.52LunessaQuestWatchFrame?
03:13.15cog|awayand what about the message that shows up in the middle of the screen telling you you got murloc eye 1/3
03:13.23cog|away(after killing 10,000 of them)
03:13.23Dreagarit's just those stupid little, evnts that don't do anything like that. well i used wowlooter from wowhead as an example, and it's not doin that, or collecting a different things
03:13.26TekkubTG uses QUEST_LOG_UPDATE just fine for what he wants, it just doesn't use it to track coords
03:13.56Dreagarlol, well that comes from UI_Info_msg but i'm not sure how to make use of it. :(
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03:14.04Tekkubcog|away, the popup message ain't a great solution either really... sting.find on every error message...
03:14.09DreagarTG? what's TG?
03:14.14TekkubTourGuide
03:14.20Dreagarahh check. i'll go look
03:14.26Dreagarthanks!
03:14.48RabbitbunnyTekkub: Hey... I've seen your name in the AucAdvanced source, You happen to know about it?
03:15.21Tekkub"about" no, I know nothing about aucadvanced, I live under a rock...
03:15.26Fisker-http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7720011978&sid=1#8 <-this guy is great cog|away
03:15.39TekkubDreagar, http://github.com/tekkub/tourguide/tree/master/QuestTracking.lua
03:16.09Tekkubself:GetObjectiveTag("QO") would be lomething like "Murloc slain: 3/3"
03:18.19LunessaI love how people don't ask the question they actually want answered.
03:24.23Dreagarhmm. so i could use something like that, but really what the problem is, is that i don't understand the metatables, :( and don't seem to be doing that right no matter how much readin i do on the lua site
03:24.48TekkubI don't see why you would use metatables for this
03:25.11LunessaI suggested one to store data he said was getting changed too quickly.
03:25.23Tekkubdon't need a meta for that
03:25.28Dreagarok, well how do i get the old data to store without getting changed before i can search it out?
03:25.38Tekkubjust something (vars or a table) ta cache it in
03:25.55Lunessalisten to tekkub because unlike me, he actually writes more than a few snippets in Lua.
03:26.12Dreagarwhat i have is a table that is created every update. QuestMobs. it looks like this.
03:26.21Tekkubkeep two sets of tables, scan into one, compare to the other, do what you need, swap them and erase the old set
03:26.40Tekkuband for the love of god learn how to handle lua tables or you'll be making assloads of garbage
03:27.25DreagarQuestMobs[mob (or quest objective) name] = { oldHave = questmobs[mobname].have,
03:28.03Dreagarhave = (gets info from leaaderboard), need = (same), QuestTitle = (same) }
03:28.55Tem|afkEWWWWWWWW
03:29.04Dreagari've also tried it where before it updates the QuestMobs table, it says Questmobs = Oldquestmobs.
03:29.04Tekkubyea, what tem said
03:29.07Tem|afkTekkub, set him straight
03:29.11Tem|afkI'm raiding
03:29.16TekkubI'm the wrong person for that Tem
03:29.24Tem|afkblah blah gay joke blah blah
03:29.26TekkubI can make him like taking it up the ass though
03:29.49Dreagarand the have's are always the same no matter when i copy the table.
03:30.08TekkubDreagar, do this....
03:30.11Dreagarok
03:30.13Fisker-http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475467469&sid=1 <-hi i don't know passwords can't be bruteforced >:I
03:30.45Tekkubon an update iter over the whole list, store every little detail that needs to compare (quest name, leaderboard value)
03:30.55Dreagaryup, i do that.
03:31.06Tekkubthen iter over the last table you had from doing thus
03:31.28Tekkubwhen something is different, call some fuction pass the values you need (quest, oldval, newval, whatever
03:31.40Tekkubwhen you're done with that, iter over the old table and erase it
03:31.46Tekkubswap the two tables
03:31.47Lunessaok, time for me to head out.  Ciao tutti.
03:31.57Tekkubnext time it fires, do the same, reading into the erased table
03:32.04Tekkubrepeat, etc
03:32.16Dreagarok, i thought that i was doin this already, but obviously i'm not. so lemme erase it all, and try agin. :)
03:32.19TekkubDON'T do processing on the shit when you do this
03:32.31Tekkubthat's what the fuction you call only for the changed values is for
03:32.52Tekkubyou should only be pulling values in and comparing them for equality
03:33.22Tekkubwhen they're not equal you pass it on to some other function that does the processing, that way you only process changed values
03:34.20Tekkuband because this is all happening frequently, you should probably look into how Compost works so that you can recycle your tables cleanly
03:34.29Dreagarso i understand, On update: collect values needed in table blah1, compare blah1 to blah2. when not equal valuesnotequal(needed vars). blah1=blah2 right?
03:35.04Tekkubblah1, blah2 = blah2, blah1; erasetable(blah2);
03:35.53Tekkubyou'll likely end up with a table for each quest so you need to make sure you erase/recycle those too
03:36.43Dreagarok once more just so i understand: onupdate, collect values in blah1, compare blah1 to blah2, differences go to function. blah2=blah2. erase blah2? wait that's not right.,
03:37.29Tekkubblah1, blah2 = blah2, blah1 -- swap the values
03:37.55Dreagarahhh ok.
03:39.20Dreagaronupate collect blah1, compare diff = function, blah1, blah2 = blah2, blah1 erase blah2, rinse repeat
03:40.34Dreagarlemme try that out, and get my kid to sleep, and see what happens. :) thanks foryour patience.
03:42.23Tekkubyea, get that printing out what changed every time a change you want to track happens, then get it tracking whatever you want when those trigger
03:42.57Codexiusdoes dtps stand for damage threat per second?
03:43.29TekkubI'm guessing it's aiming for delta-tps
03:43.36TekkubI.E. "change in"
03:49.28Gnarfozneither
03:49.31Gnarfozdamage taken per second
03:49.52Gnarfozdps, dtps, hps, htps
03:49.52Gnarfoz^^
03:52.48DrundiaOh those Blizzard Raid Pullouts, why do they keep failing at setting proper frame level for buttons to make sure they are clickable....
03:53.26Codexiusis there any way to bind /train to mousewheel up?
03:53.29Codexiusso i can just spam it
03:53.45Codexiusi hate running around and pushing a /train keybind
03:55.05TekkubGnarfoz, dropped tits per second
03:55.33Gnarfozdropping tits is madness, I tell you
03:55.56Gnarfozbleh I'll go sleep
03:56.18Gnarfozit's 6am again, not having to get up sucks ;D
03:56.47Codexiusanyone know an answer to binding /train to a movement or scrollwheel
03:57.16Tekkubhow does that suck?
03:57.20Gnarfozcrap solution: put a macro on an actionbar, bind key to mousewheel?
03:57.44GnarfozTekkub: lack of predictable 'uptime' ;P I'm even missing my own raids, lol
03:58.04TekkubI still don't see an issue
03:58.32Tekkubbut then I naturally fall into a 30hr pattern if I don't have a 24hr anchor
03:59.04Gnarfozyeah, something like that.
03:59.25Gnarfozit's just annoying when there's 3 days of nothing to do, and then you have an appointment of some kind at 10am o_O
03:59.39Gnarfozhow the fuck am I supposed to be up at random times like that ;P
03:59.42Gnarfozanyway, nn
04:02.16Codexiuswhat does "cant bind mousehweel to actions with up and down states" mean?
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04:23.56Corrodiasi have an urge to put a joke in there
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04:24.00Corrodiasbut i respect wowwiki too much to do that
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04:24.13kd3and I'd have to lart you if you did...
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04:25.40zespri_workis it a good joke?
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04:27.49ScytheBlade1no, it's pretty obvious
04:28.13Corrodiaslike your mom
04:28.41Corrodiasoops, i'm away playing a game on another computer now! you can't retort! muahaha
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04:29.19MitranimGood morning. :-)
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04:56.58Dreaghttp://www.pastey.net/90547  OK there's the new code, what am i doin wrong? i go and manatap a mob, it says on the screen that there's now 3/6 but no msg in the chat frame. :( help!
04:58.53Dreagtekkub still here? :)
05:01.51Arrowmasterwow that looks really excessive
05:03.43Dreagwell do you understand what i'm wantin to do? i want to find out when the have's aren't equal. so i can log the location and quest that just got updated.
05:04.01Shiriklocal table1, table2, oldTable1, oldTable2 = {}, {}, {}, {}
05:04.02Dreagexcept it's not doing the default chat message when it should be. or at all for that matter.
05:04.26Dreagwell shirik, it's kidna jst a test, and i redid it a bit. lemme repastey it.
05:04.36Shirikwell I need to go to sleep unfortunately
05:04.41Shirikbut hopefully someone can answer you
05:04.55Dreaghttp://www.pastey.net/90548
05:05.23Dreagi hope so i'm tryin to use TG to figure it out, but i'm pretty sure i have it the same at least in theory
05:08.31Sixen~seen duman
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05:09.26Dreagso no ideas on why it's not working?
05:09.44Arrowmasteri dont know but you could probably take a look at http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua
05:14.06Dreagholy crap and i thought mine was complicated. lmao
05:20.39kd3huh, no real changes in the latest PTR build
05:21.51kd30.4.3.8536-8568.diff: http://wowi.pastey.net/90550
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05:26.17Codexiusso heres an interesting problem: i use morganti buffbars, but mousing over my buffs dont show a tooltip'
05:26.21Codexiusany idea?
05:28.30Codexiusi use tiptacs for tooltip
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05:32.19Codexiusanyone?
05:32.39Dreagwootie! i made it work! all by myself!
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05:45.44SixenHm?
05:45.44Sixenkd3
05:47.46kd3ya
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06:17.56Sixenlol. You still there, kd3?
06:22.18Thunder_Childfail Sixen, just fail
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06:23.35Sixen:(
06:23.42SixenI forgot I called for him.
06:23.43Sixenlol
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06:43.03Codexiusanyone tell me if theres a way to put a note in a macro that woill be displayed on tooltip?
06:45.04Thunder_Childyou can have info popup on mouse hover
06:45.14Thunder_Childi just dont know what it is
06:47.01Gngskhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip_AddLine
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06:55.46SixenSo. I'm trying to make a Window.. Yeah..
06:58.25Codexiusoh man, im trying to use bartenders4's new keybinding menu, but the problem lies in if i want to have a shift+key macro, hotkeyed within the key itself
06:58.37Codexiusbecause you have to push key then shift, rather than the other way around
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07:00.44cnc|workhello all
07:03.05MitranimYou should use "shift + key" for additional bindings. And "Ctrl" or "Alt" as macro modifier.
07:03.41MitranimBut note that you need to unbind "Ctrl + ..." or "Alt + ..."  from everything that was bound to them,
07:03.43cnc|workshift can also be used as modifier
07:03.43Mitranim.
07:04.13MitranimShift is more effective for additional bindings because it's used for dragging spells.
07:04.47MitranimSo you cannot accidentally drag something away while trying to click a modified macro.
07:04.54Corrodiasmang
07:05.07MitranimAlso, pressing shift + key is more convenient.
07:05.13Corrodiasi used shift, ctrl, and shift+ctrl to modify 1-6 as my main bindings
07:05.32Corrodiasplus ctrl+Q, E, F, and G. then alt was for self-casting
07:05.51Corrodiasi didn't like pushing buttons with my mouse.
07:06.05MitranimI used 1-6 with Q, E, R, F, Z, X, C, T and V and everything with "Shift", "Ctrl" and "Alt", and what? :P
07:06.37MitranimI don't get why people don't just turn auto self-casting on?
07:06.40Corrodiasoh yes, shift+ZXCV for pet actions
07:06.50Corrodiaswhat's auto self-casting do again? i haven't played in a few months
07:07.25MitranimIt was around for three years already.
07:07.41Corrodiasthat doesn't answer the question
07:08.09cnc|workif you are casting a friendlies only spell and have a hostile targetted it'll take yourself as target automagicaly
07:08.58Corrodiasah. yeah, that won't do much good for a healer unless you have a pure click-casting method
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07:10.57MitranimFor a healer I prefer mouseover casting.
07:11.33MitranimMouseovered target gets the first priority, targeted unit gets the second.
07:11.55cnc|workI'm rerolling a resto drood
07:11.59Corrodiasalso a good method
07:12.06cnc|workprolly gonna make it so a regular click is a mouseover heal
07:12.11cnc|workand a shift click is a target heal
07:12.17cnc|workthat way I can have the tank permatargetted
07:12.23cnc|workand alt click would be focus heal)
07:12.24Corrodiascome to think of it, i let alt be self-cast only for spells that could be self-cast. for the rest, i generally had things macroed to cast something else if i had alt held down
07:12.37Corrodiascontrol+alt+2 could be something
07:12.43cnc|workwell, such macros are anoying to do Corrodias
07:12.46cnc|workrather use fb for that :p
07:12.52Corrodiaswhat's fb?
07:12.59cnc|workflexbar
07:13.15MitranimFlexBar is dead, isn't it?
07:13.20cnc|workeh, no
07:13.26MitranimNo?!
07:13.28cnc|workhttp://files.wowace.com/FlexBar2/FlexBar2.zip
07:13.28Corrodiasi used... what did i use, bartender? best part of using macros was that if i had to stop using the addon, it would still work at least.
07:13.31cnc|workand i'm working on flexbar3
07:14.03cnc|workMitranim: shame on you
07:14.09MitranimHah, that FB2 isn't much of use compared to the old FlexBar.
07:14.38Corrodiashaha, burned
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07:15.04cnc|workMitranim: no mod is
07:15.12cnc|workflexbar2 can do most of the things blizzard allows
07:15.18cnc|workand fb3 will be able to do all of them
07:15.33cnc|workfb can remap in any condition a macro can check for
07:16.28MitranimHmm. Something made me believe that FB2 hasn't more functionality than, say, Bongos.
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07:19.08cnc|worklol
07:19.15cnc|workand what is that something ?
07:19.19MitranimHeh. I was a hardcore FB user back in times. In fact, I was the only one who did a (splendid, I must say) translation of its original docs into Russian.
07:19.29cnc|work:o
07:19.38cnc|workimo, try FB2 out
07:19.47cnc|workor if you rather wait, at least try FB3 out when I release it :p
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07:20.05cnc|workFB2 is limited in some aspects
07:20.06cnc|workfb3 won't be
07:20.13vithosanyone ever notice blessing +/- spam with MSBT?
07:20.39cnc|workvithos: I only used it for a few weeks before switching to parrot, but never noticed anything like that
07:21.10HapnintwoHi
07:22.07cnc|workhi
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07:24.41Fisker-GOTCHA kd3
07:24.53Fisker-also you cog|away
07:29.51Codexiusok, anyone see if you can figure this out: im trying to make a macro bound to the letter q. if q is pressed, cast fireball. however, if its mod:shift, cast pyroblast. the problem is, its only recognizing shift after q has been held, so shift+q doesnt work, only q+shift
07:30.16Codexiusand naturally id prefer to do shift+q
07:30.45cnc|workyou have shift + q bound to something already
07:30.52cnc|workwhich prevents the macro from picking the modifier up
07:30.59cnc|workgo check ur bindings and unbind it
07:31.08Codexiusthats what Mitranim said, but i really dont think i do, but brb
07:31.12Codexiusill quadruple check
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07:32.27Thunder_Child~lart Fisker-
07:32.27purlinstalls a bad bootloader on Fisker- and turns Fisker- into a brick
07:32.38Codexiusyea, found it
07:32.40Codexiusthanks :)
07:32.40cnc|workwooohoo
07:32.43Codexius<3
07:32.46cnc|workyou got rid of Fisker- !
07:32.52cnc|worknp Codexius
07:33.01cnc|work~hail Thunder_Child
07:33.01purlACTION bows down to Thunder_Child and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
07:33.06Codexiusanyone direct me the proper way to use http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip_AddLine?
07:33.14Codexiusim adding GameTooltip:AddLine(tooltipText [, textColor.r, textColor.g, textColor.b [, wrapText]]);
07:33.23Codexiusto my macro, but its just printing it into say
07:33.33Codexiuswell, i dont add the color stuff
07:33.39Fisker-i cannot be stopped
07:33.44Fisker-not by Thunder_Child not by anyone
07:34.16cnc|workGameTooltip:AddLine("Fisker- sucks monkey balls very well");
07:34.23Codexiuslemme try that
07:34.49Fisker-i cannot be stopped cnc|work
07:34.54cnc|workif that doesn't work do meTooltip:AddLine("Fisker- sucks monkey balls very well", 1, 1, 1, false);
07:34.54Codexiusthat doesnt change the tooltip, just prints out that whole line in say
07:35.09cnc|workdon't forget tooltips don't update when they're already shown
07:35.20Codexiusalso printing it
07:35.23Codexiusoh ok
07:35.39Fisker-that's because i'm so awesome
07:35.51Codexiusnope, its sitll just spamming say
07:36.16cnc|workGameTooltip:Hide(); GameTooltip:SetOwner(OwnerFrame, "ANCHOR_RIGHT"); GameTooltip:AddLine("Fisker- is dead", 1, 1, 1); GameTooltip:Show);
07:36.28Fisker-have you learned to /script?
07:36.55Codexiuswas i supposed to stick that behind a /script?
07:36.58Codexiusoops, lol
07:37.11cnc|work<PROTECTED>
07:37.19Fisker-i win cnc|work
07:37.20Codexiusi was taking you too literall, cnc|work
07:37.44cnc|workroflmao
07:38.42cnc|workFisker-: you win
07:39.09Codexiusstill cant digure it out properly
07:39.12Codexiusfigure*
07:39.40cnc|workGameTooltip:Hide(); GameTooltip:AddLine("Fisker- is dead", 1, 1, 1); GameTooltip:Show();
07:39.55Codexiusall behind one script, or a script in front of each instance of Game
07:40.20Codexius?
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07:42.41cnc|workall behind one script
07:42.48cnc|workCodexius: when did you start WoW coding ?
07:43.05Codexiusheh not very long ago, i know, i suck,
07:43.37cnc|workthats rather basic :p
07:43.43Codexiusok, so the macro started /script  GameTooltip:Hide(); GameTooltip:AddLine("Fisker- is dead", 1, 1, 1); GameTooltip:Show();
07:43.53Codexiusbut the tooltip still only shows the macro name
07:44.54cnc|workyou'd have to click the macro for it to show
07:44.59cnc|worknot only mouseover it
07:45.20Codexiusthe text doesnt show anywhere
07:45.30Codexiusany way to get the macro mouseover to show information about the macro
07:45.37Codexiuson mouseover?
07:46.40cnc|worknot directly
07:46.56Codexiuseven pushing that macro isnt changing my tooltip
07:47.28cnc|workweird weird
07:47.29cnc|workgimme a sec
07:47.54cnc|workbah, I can't run the game from here
07:48.19cnc|workFisker-: you help
07:48.40Fisker-you assume i'm not at work either?
07:48.46cnc|workyou don't work
07:48.48cnc|workyou're a troll =
07:49.31Fisker-lol
07:49.33Fisker-i can't login
07:49.48Fisker-that's odd
07:51.17cnc|workphail
07:51.27cnc|workbtw Fisker- do you have an ssh I could use by chance ?
07:51.35cnc|workme wants to ssh to a box so I don't have restricted internet access
07:51.39Fisker-nevers
07:52.00cnc|workgiefv
07:52.52Fisker-i don't get it :(
07:52.55Fisker-i can't login wah
07:53.16Fisker-whyyyy cnc|work ?
07:53.18cnc|work€>
07:53.30cnc|workthey banned all trolls
07:53.42Fisker-IMPOSSIBLE
07:55.29Fisker-hmm
07:55.31Fisker-now it worked
07:56.56Codexiuswhat the heck? it used to be if i typed in / it would automatically open up chat panel with a / in there
07:57.00Codexiusnow / isnt opening anything
07:57.04Codexiusis there a fix?
07:57.26Codexiusneverd, foud a chat slash keybind
07:57.27Codexius:(
07:57.30Codexiusnevermind*
08:01.37Fisker-http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7735683860&sid=1 <-owned
08:02.53Corrodiaswho was owned by whom?
08:03.37Fisker-the poster
08:03.39Fisker-by himself
08:03.55Corrodiasalso, when a game is conning you into thinking about spending an extra $25 just to move around, you might want to think about how much it should actually be worth to you
08:04.21cnc|workhaha, what an idiot
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08:05.02Corrodiasi'm surprised that it doesn't warn you immediately beforehand... unless it DOES and he just didn't see it
08:05.08Corrodiasor is pretending not to haev
08:05.22Corrodiashaev. like dubm.
08:05.36Fisker-it does
08:05.42Fisker-which is why he owned himself
08:05.59durcynif he was smart, he would've opened a ticket saying his account was compromised.  idiot.
08:06.21Fisker-would just be a char rollback then
08:06.24Arrowmasterthen they would have gone 'no it wasnt'
08:07.04cnc|workArrowmaster: they can't prove it wasn't
08:07.13cnc|workif he opened a ticket someone transfered him
08:07.20cnc|workhe'd have have a rolblack
08:08.05Arrowmasterwell if he has an isp like mine that tends to constantly give you the same ip address and nobody else had logged in from a different address they would know
08:08.29cnc|workjust go to a friends house
08:08.34cnc|workand login and play a while from there
08:08.35cnc|workseriously :p
08:08.41durcynso he claims his box was 0wned and the chinamen installed a proxy
08:08.42Arrowmasterand it sounds like hes already waited the 1 month cooldown
08:08.56durcynso he claims he was on vacation for a month.
08:09.26Corrodiasmaybe the blizzard rep who handles the ticket would realize what happened and be nice and go along with it
08:09.42durcynanyway, there is no burden of proof, they'd just revert it and offer to sell him an RSA key for $6.50
08:10.06cnc|workyea, now they won't though
08:10.08cnc|worktoo bad for him, idiot :p
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08:14.25Fisker-cnc|work
08:14.26Fisker-baww
08:14.37Fisker-if they can't prove the compromise nothing will happen
08:14.38Fisker-duh
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08:23.41Mitranimcnc|work: I got "zomfg FB3! gonna check it out" yesterday when you gave me that example. When will it be done?
08:24.24cnc|workhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Soon
08:24.50cnc|workuse a 100lb trout Fisker-
08:25.00cnc|workand not a brown one, I want a pink one
08:25.57cnc|workbah
08:26.01cnc|workgiev 100lb pink trout
08:26.02Fisker-it appears that i am unstoppable
08:26.16cnc|work<PROTECTED>
08:26.23Fisker-:(
08:26.26Fisker-i was stopped
08:26.41Fisker-well done
08:28.57Mitranim"Soon". He-he. I though it was restrictive to the famous "in two weeks" of "Sphere" designers.
08:29.30MitranimBut it seems that this is common between all game developers.
08:29.43MitranimAnd as well, addon developers. :-(
08:29.47cnc|work:D
08:31.56MitranimWhich way of creating addon interface options is better to steal?
08:32.13MitranimI'm looking at Ampere and Dominos here.
08:32.36MitranimAmpere is simpler, but Dominos creates templates.
08:32.47Mitranim:-)
08:35.56MitranimTekkub is here! Now, tell me that your code is better to steal. :D
08:38.51MitranimGhrm, not actually steal, but to use as the source of inspiration. :-)
08:40.42Corrodiasblatant plagiarism
08:40.52Corrodiasi'm reporting you to the aol police
08:41.38MitranimHey, I said I'm that not outright stealing people's code.
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08:49.41MitranimI'm looking at Ampere code and see something I don't understand.
08:49.54MitranimWhat is the purpose of Refresh()'ing?
08:51.55MitranimAnyone here!..
08:56.48MitranimIs there any semantic link between the words "button" and "butt"?
08:57.18Cairenndon't think so
08:57.27MitranimWhere do they come from?
08:57.44Cairennhttp://dictionary.reference.com/
08:57.46MitranimI cannot tell cause I'm not a native English speaker. :-(
08:58.52Cairennactually, Merriam-Webster is better for giving root
08:59.32Cairennhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/
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09:00.17Cairenn<PROTECTED>
09:00.47KalrothShe said butt, HEHE
09:01.52MitranimWait, how "butt" is a verb?
09:02.40MitranimAnd aren't there any connection between "beat" and "press" in medieval language?
09:02.56MitranimMaybe it actually is one root after all?
09:03.40Corrodiasshut up or i will butt you
09:03.55Corrodiasactually, butt as in head butting is perfectly usable
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09:04.10Corrodiasexcept never done outside of that phrase
09:05.48MitranimAh, headbutt you were talking about.
09:06.14MitranimWell, we can count this proved: "button" and "butt" has the same roo.
09:06.16Mitranim*root
09:06.34Corrodiasi've reached a 4.7:1 u:d ratio for the diablo 3 gameplay trailer (us). my next plan of action: keep uploading
09:06.46Mitranim*have
09:10.50Corrodiasi'm off to bed. 'ni
09:12.26Cairenno.O
09:14.03vithoswhat's the addon called that just puts a movable 3D portrait of a unit on screen?
09:16.43Mr_Rabies2adapt is (or may be "was) one
09:17.34vithosi'm looking to supplement my unitframes, not replace
09:17.47Arrowmasterso i just downloaded the top gun anthem for gh3 that just became available a few minutes ago
09:18.38Arrowmasterplayed medium, really easy, then i tried hard and holy fucking shit its got a complex part and i just failed at 68%
09:19.02Mr_Rabies2adapt is probably what you're looking for, vithos
09:19.15Mr_Rabies2if someone is still maintaining it
09:19.15vithosi mean, i'm using pitbull, not default
09:19.19Mr_Rabies2ohh
09:19.24Mr_Rabies2pitbull has one built in
09:19.27Mr_Rabies2i thought
09:19.28vithosi know
09:19.43vithosbut the layout/positioning of it is too limited
09:20.48vithosi.e. i'm using a wide+short frame but want the model to be full body and tall next to it/above it
09:21.08vithosand i don't want it to be clickable either
09:21.20MitranimMazzle UI?
09:21.27vithosi thought i remembered seeing a screenshot of something like that a long time ago
09:22.35vithosi'll see what that uses
09:23.28Fisker-rawr rawr velociraptor Cairenn
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09:23.49Fisker-you generally fail Arrowmaster
09:24.34vithosah it's part of its own addon
09:24.52ArrowmasterFisker-: diaf
09:25.41phyberArrowmaster: complex part = ETOOMANYHAMMERONS ?
09:26.06Arrowmasteryeah solo d
09:26.15phyber:/
09:26.37Arrowmastergot through it with a star power but only hit 40%
09:27.16Arrowmasterso after i did it on medium i checked the xbl leaderboard and i was like 14th out of less than 20 people
09:27.19Fisker-RAWR RAWR VELOCIRAPTOR Arrowmaster
09:27.31Arrowmasterjust checked it after doing hard am im 66th out of i dont know how many
09:27.52phyberi don't play GH anymore, my wireless guitar failed and i don't feel like buying another one that will also fail after less than 6 months of play.
09:28.21phyberand the GH2 guitar is just fail.
09:28.34Arrowmasteri dont tend to play that much except i got bored and played a lot this weekend
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09:28.39Fisker-guitar hero is generall fail
09:28.39Fisker-etc.
09:30.18phyber:(
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11:14.30Fisker-Chompers dp die
11:28.05Kalrothcladhaire: if I try out perfectraid, is it ok that I come to you with all my questions/suggestions/bugs/more suggestions and if you're lucky, some praise?
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12:24.47[sync]umm
12:24.48[sync]thingy
12:24.50[sync]anyone here
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12:25.45Josh_Borkemorning
12:26.11[sync]anyone advise an addon for raid window?
12:26.14[sync]not like x-perl raid
12:26.16Josh_Borkewow
12:26.20[sync]but O > raid, raid window
12:26.29cnc|workgrid tbh
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12:32.36[sync]grid is a raid group mob thingy
12:32.41[sync]im using perfectraid for that atm
12:32.44[sync]im talking about the...
12:32.51[sync]O hotkey >  raids
12:32.52[sync]that one
12:32.59[sync]?????
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12:34.41Snago[sync]: there's no addon for that afaik. I don't even think it's possible to make one :\
12:34.53[sync]whats afaik?
12:34.58Shirik~wtf afaik
12:35.14[sync]cause currently, when I move people around, i get the bars somehow extending out of the window.
12:35.16[sync]its weird.
12:35.25Shirikwhat's he looking for?
12:35.27[sync]you know how you can drag a bar?
12:35.34[sync]the bar extends, and it goes too long,
12:35.53[sync]for instance, the group one bar of say, me, grows so long, it takes over a mage in group 2
12:36.24[sync]im confusing you right?
12:39.16Josh_Borkescreenshots help in these instances :-D
12:39.29[sync]yeah
12:39.31[sync]im getting one up now
12:40.16[sync]http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36701893xo4.png
12:40.38[sync]its quite obvious whats wrong >.<
12:41.29Fisker-anyone know if you can get some kind of plastic thingy for the WD Velociraptor so it fits like a standard 3.5" drive?
12:43.24[sync]O.o
12:56.52cnc|workanyone have a box I could ssh to to get rid of this system's stupid proxy restrictions ?
12:59.00Shirikuh
12:59.03Shiriksure
12:59.08Shirikgive me a second to set you up a username
13:00.11cnc|work<3 Shirik
13:01.50[sync]>.<
13:01.53[sync]shirik
13:01.56[sync]did you see my screenie?
13:02.06Shirikyup
13:02.10ShirikI have no idea what the problem is though
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13:04.23Shirik~lart passwd
13:04.23purlshoots passwd in the head
13:04.29ShirikBAD PASSWORD: it is based on a dictionary word
13:04.34Shirikstfu it'll change in 2 seconds anyway :(
13:04.35[sync]ok
13:04.35[sync]:S
13:04.42cnc|workhaha
13:04.48cnc|work<3 passwd
13:05.01[sync]btw, i use carbonite
13:05.02cnc|workit even cries for a password that will be invalid at first login ? :o
13:05.05[sync]that interacts with the window
13:05.07[sync]maybe its that?
13:05.23cnc|workdisable at and see
13:08.22[sync]ok
13:08.23[sync]thanks
13:08.33Wraithan1cnc|work: going to be on when you get home?
13:08.59cnc|workyea
13:09.06Shirikanyone familiar with iptables: Doesn't the first entry take priority over later entries?
13:09.26Shirikoh nm that says source localhost.... I was wondering why I have "accept all" at the top >.>
13:09.57cnc|work<_<
13:10.39krka>--<
13:10.46krkalua>--<
13:10.47lua_botkrka: No output
13:11.00cnc|workflail
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13:29.39Wraithan1what version of lua is WoW using?
13:29.51Shirik5.1.2
13:29.52LopeppeppyQuestion of great randomness.  Is it possible to download older versions of Firefox?  I'm not sure I want to recommend 3 to my users yet, it hasn't bee fully tested with my web authoring software...
13:30.21Elkanowell, they'll still patch 2.x until the end of the year I think
13:31.15LopeppeppyTheir main download page features 3, but I got stubborn and found it elsewhere.  :)
13:37.27Funkeh`Lopeppeppy, I don't recommend 2.0 at all :P
13:37.31Funkeh`http://secunia.com/advisories/30911/
13:37.35Funkeh`have fun !
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13:39.07ElkanoFunkeh`, that's pre 2.0.0.15
13:39.16Funkeh`orly
13:39.28Funkeh`you kinda missed the point dude
13:39.29Elkanocheck the 'solution' ^^
13:39.44Elkanowell, you don't know what will be found in 3.x
13:39.50LopeppeppyDidn't say it doesn't have issues, Funkeh`, but it works with my product, where version 3 hasn't been tested.
13:39.56Funkeh`I know that it wasn't found in 3.x
13:40.13Elkanoand not in 2.0.0.15
13:40.29Funkeh`sigh
13:40.53Elkanothere may be flaws in 3.x that aren't in 2.x so that's not that much of a point
13:41.21Funkeh`2.0.0.15 was made to fix those
13:41.43Funkeh`which never existed in 3.0 in the first place
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13:44.12Funkeh`when you find 12 exploits in 3.0 in 1 day then your argument might be valid
13:45.22Elkanoat least they were patched fast ^^
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13:45.55Funkeh`yeah true
13:46.19Funkeh`there is still an exploit somwhere in 3.0 unpatched
13:46.29Funkeh`can't find it now so maybe it was verified false not sure
13:47.34Funkeh`http://secunia.com/advisories/30761/
13:47.49LopeppeppyI'm sure there are just as many flaws as there ever were, just different ones.  Security is a lie, we've all known that for years.
13:48.41Funkeh`My point is 3.0 is generally securer than 2.0 since it's had a lot of re-qriting recenty
13:48.41ElkanoFunkeh`, yeah, there is one that is marked for both 2.x and 3.x
13:48.41Shirikanyone here familiar with linode?
13:48.42Funkeh`yeah an not fixed in either :x
13:48.46Elkanowhat I find funny: http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2008/mfsa2008-24.html
13:49.00ElkanoI wonder how they could fix that in 3.0 without an update ;)
13:49.49Funkeh`maybe it never affected it?
13:50.10Funkeh`and they are just advertising that 3.0 isn't affected
13:50.11phyberFunkeh`: who says they were all discovered in one day?  they were just all announced at the same time. :)
13:50.28Funkeh`phyber, meh
13:50.52Elkanoyeah, seems so; so some of these bugs have been fixed in 3.0 before release and where now bundled for 2.x in an update
13:51.11Funkeh`yeah
13:51.20Elkanowould make sense for less critical
13:54.00Funkeh`still not sure why that one hasn't been fixed in over 20 days
13:54.08Funkeh`but me noscript ftw for that one at least
13:54.27Elkanoand wrt the rewriting of FF3 it will most likely have fixed some undiscovered exploits but could also have introduced new ones. as long as they keep patching 2.x I wouldn't say that 3.x is much more secure although wrt the features and such I'd recomend upgrading, too ^^
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14:01.56RabbitbunnyIs there a way to run things from the CLI? such as '/console Informant.GetItem(10000)' and have it echo?
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14:05.28Elkanofirst it should be /script instead of /console I think and maybe one of your addons provides /dump
14:06.13RabbitbunnyYes, turns out Ace does it. Thanks.
14:06.35cncfanaticsconnected through irssi now :)
14:06.37cncfanatics<3 shirik
14:06.41Shirik<3
14:07.45cnc|workI just need to find out how to get metakeys to work now
14:09.02durcynif alt isn't working, just send esc-# as a workaround
14:09.22cnc|workShirik, could you get your box to accept alt as the metakey ?
14:09.40Shirikis it really my box's fault?
14:09.43cnc|workor tell me what the current metakey is for terminals :)
14:09.51cnc|workI just need to know the metakey rly
14:09.55Lopeppeppy.... Shirik, how interesting.
14:10.35Shirikuh, tell me what a metakey is and maybe :)
14:10.40ShirikLopeppeppy, special brownies?
14:11.03LopeppeppyWith an inch of chocolate ganache on top, yup... more sugar than any one individual needs in a given week, much less for breakfast.
14:11.18cnc|worknvm
14:11.23cnc|workwon't anoy you any longer :)
14:11.40Shiriksorry :(
14:11.50ShirikLopeppeppy: That sounds like enough sugar for me for one hour
14:11.54Shirikexcept what's a ganache?
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14:14.08cnc|workLopeppeppy: thats enough sugar for a few minutes for me
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14:20.58cnc|workdamn I'm loving irssi :p
14:21.28LopeppeppyShirik, it's sort of a thick fudgey frosting.  You can think of it as a huge layer of fudge on top of my chocolate chocolate chip brownie.
14:22.36cnc|workLopeppeppy: where to get those ? I'll take a few :p
14:26.17Lopeppeppycnc|work, one of my coworkers makes them, omg so good
14:27.33cnc|workLopeppeppy: I make that kind of stuff myself sometimes too :)
14:27.45cnc|worka chocolate cake with chocolate icing and sugar on top is lovely :D
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14:50.41ShirikI have successfully crashed a Windows command line utility
14:50.43ShirikI am proud of myself now
14:51.01malrethi haven't pooped in 24 hours
14:52.25malrethi'm holding it all in until these Digital Media Academy people finally deliver their software
14:52.49Tenchworksthat sounds rather unhealthy
14:53.22malrethIT IS!
14:53.58Seerahhow much longer do you expect to be waiting? :P
14:54.00malreththey're gonna feel so guilty when my colon ruptures and my intestines explode
14:54.09Tenchworks@Shirik: how'd you crash a command line?
14:54.19Shirikwith the "junction" tool
14:54.20Seerahperhaps he has skillz
14:54.50durcynjunction, eh.  with luck, maybe you can take your filesystem down as well the next time
14:54.52ShirikC:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\Auctioneer>junction "D:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft\Interface\Addons\" *
14:54.53ShirikOut Of Memory error
14:54.57Shirikfollowed by a death
14:55.05Tenchworkswow nice
14:55.44Tenchworksnow that's something I never thought I'd see
14:56.09malrethtrying to create a symlink?
14:57.37malrethwait...
14:58.07malrethjunction is a sysinternals program
14:58.41durcynsysinternals was bought by microsoft
14:58.44durcynQED
14:59.43malrethwhy would you specify * as the target?
15:00.25malrethgranted, it shouldn't have crashed; but still.
15:00.28Shirikbecause I want to create junctions to all the auctioneer folders
15:01.50malrethbut the way that command has been specified, you're trying to junction the Addons folder itself to all the Auctioneer folders
15:02.34malrethand i'm pretty sure (although not 100% so) that a directory can specify only one junction target
15:02.55Shirikmm, not what this reads as
15:03.11Shirikusage: junction [-d] <junction directory> [<junction target>]
15:03.11Shirik-d Delete the specified junction
15:03.12Shirikexample: junction d:\link c:\winnt
15:03.30Shirikand it can contain multiple junctions because I've done it before :)
15:03.36Shirikand just got it to work actually
15:03.44ShirikI think
15:03.47Shirikhave to load up wow first
15:04.30Shirikyup, works
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15:05.08malrethso how did you get it to work?
15:05.15Shirikcheated
15:05.21Shirikhttp://forum.sysinternals.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=10756
15:07.38Shirikdamn it
15:07.46Shirikwhere did cnc go?
15:08.38malrethyou just selected all the Auctioneer folders from your C: drive to the source location on the D:?
15:09.06malreths/drive/drive and hardlinked them /
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15:09.39malrethusing he Link Shell Extension?
15:09.46malreths/he/the/
15:09.55malreth~botsnack
15:09.55purlmalreth: :)
15:10.29Shirikmalreth, yup
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15:11.57malrethShirik: you're running Vista?
15:12.02Shirikaffirmative
15:12.04malrethkk
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15:14.57Shirikoh well
15:15.03ShirikI just restarted my server, hope cnc doesn't kill me
15:16.36Shirikoh they released the authenticator?
15:16.59Fisker-RAWR RAWR VELOCIRAPTOR
15:17.04Fisker-and Shirik they did that @ WWI
15:17.14durcynand promptly sold out
15:17.22Shirikwtf sold out
15:17.23Shirikdie
15:17.35Fisker-indeed :P
15:17.36durcynblizzard US store says 'sold out', sir!
15:17.41ShirikI noticed
15:17.42Fisker-again they underestimated the popularity of the item
15:17.52Fisker-and it's apparently going to take WEEKS to restock
15:18.03Shirik................
15:18.07Josh_Borkedo we know how many they released?
15:18.24Fisker-4000 at WWI
15:18.28Fisker-sold out in less than 2 hours
15:18.44Josh_Borkehm, 4000 is a slap in the face
15:18.59malreth~slap Josh_Borke
15:19.00purlACTION slaps Josh_Borke, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
15:20.47Tenchworksi wonder if they have a limit of how many you can buy at a time....
15:21.10malrethhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljMODw-fXaI&NR=1
15:22.03Tenchworksoh man
15:22.08Tenchworksthe cats are invading
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15:22.29cog|work~lart Fisker-
15:22.29purlwhips out a sword and chops Fisker- in half
15:23.10Fisker-shouldn't the authenticator also prompt for the code when accessing the forums?
15:23.43Tenchworkshmm good question
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15:25.56malrethi suspect that's how a lot of people get keylogged
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15:26.25cog|workFisker-: it only applies to account management & the game itself
15:26.36malreththey go to a public or a friend's computer to check the forums and pow
15:26.54Cidedoesn't matter though
15:26.57Fisker-weird cog|work
15:27.04Cidethat only gives you the password
15:27.07Cidestill need the code
15:27.14Fisker-sounded like on the us forums that they also used it for the forums
15:27.23Cideso authenticating with a code on the forums only prevents forum-only bans
15:27.24malrethi wonder if it would cut down on forum spamming if the authenticator eventually became required
15:27.48Cideand, granted, some key logging spam from those who do have authenticators
15:28.20Cidebut it doesn't compromise their own account in any way to not use the authenticator on the forums
15:28.50cog|workworst case scenario, they get to post as you and you get a forum ban for posting porno, etc.
15:28.56Cideyep
15:29.11Fisker-i.e. keyloggers
15:29.22Cidethat will happen anyway
15:29.39Fisker-without accounts to post from?
15:29.53Fisker-almost vista tiems
15:29.55Cideyou do realize the vast majority WON'T have an authenticator
15:29.59Fisker-on my RAWR RAWR VELOCIRAPTOR
15:30.12Fisker-Cide i believe the correct term would be "DON'T"
15:30.14Fisker-:o
15:30.22Cide/shrug
15:30.30malrethCide: certainly not since they're only selling 4000 at a time. :p
15:30.31Fisker-indeed
15:30.39Fisker-hoho malreth
15:30.41Cidehm?
15:30.54Fisker-they're probably learned from that brief mistake @ WWI :P
15:31.10Cideenlighten me? I have only been paying attention to diablo lately
15:31.41Tenchworkshopefully they have 100 times what they had to sell when they put the thing on sale
15:32.04Cidethat's not enlightening
15:32.07Cidethat's hinting at the issue
15:32.11Tenchworksoh hehe
15:32.28Cidebut yeah, I hope they can at least supply enough for the demand :P
15:32.34Tenchworksthe blizzard authenticator
15:32.37Cidebut I don't think there's a huge demand
15:32.46Tenchworkswas sold out in like 2 hours after they started selling it
15:32.49Cidecompared to the population anyway
15:33.08ShirikI want one :(
15:33.19Tenchworkswell 10 million players, I'd expect only 500,000 to actually have a brain
15:33.38Shirik"It'll never happen to me"
15:33.39CideI have plenty of brains and I won't buy one :P
15:33.47CideShirik: yep, it won't!
15:33.51Cideat least not before wotlk
15:34.22TenchworksI wanted to get one, but didn't think they sell out so fast
15:34.23wereHamsterCide: I wouldn't use absolute words like "can't" or "never"
15:34.29CidewereHamster: I would
15:34.45Cideabstinence goes a long way to prevent keyloggers
15:34.57wereHamsterah, so you don't play?
15:34.59malrethhe can't get keylogged because he doesn't play WoW.
15:35.00Cideyep!
15:35.01malrethnever did
15:35.04Cideya
15:35.05CideI never have
15:35.09cog|workThe only "untrusted" computer I logged into last year was one of the ones Blizzard had set up at blizzcon :|
15:35.24Cidein fact, ctmod has never existed
15:35.27cog|workthat's my best guess
15:35.28Cideeat that.
15:35.37Cidecog|work: heh, ouch
15:35.40Fisker-rawr rawr velociraptor?
15:35.43malrethctmods were all written by orphan children that he keeps in his basement
15:35.49wereHamsternever? I thought you played a horde priest
15:36.01Fisker-i got paranoid earlier cog|work :(
15:36.08Cideobvious irony is obvious ;)
15:36.10Fisker-because my password in-game didn't work
15:36.17Fisker-but it did on the forums and on the account management
15:36.36durcynyou're supposed to turn caps lock off Fisker-
15:36.46Fisker-not case sensitive n00b
15:36.55CideI've played 2 undead priests, a night elf druid and a human priest
15:36.58Fisker-also i billionchecked my password
15:37.09Cide99% of the time I played an undead priest
15:37.16Fisker-i even had the password from the form unmasked and copy/pasted it directly into the game
15:37.18Fisker-still didn't work
15:37.30Fisker-but after 10 minutes or so it worked
15:37.35AckisWorkwha'ts your password? I'll try it out for you :P *snickers*
15:37.43Tenchworkslol ackis
15:37.53Fisker-Ackissucks
15:37.58malrethhahah! I nearly called it correctly!
15:38.02AckisWorkneeds a number
15:38.04AckisWork:P
15:38.05Cidemine's g84eFo
15:38.08Cidego
15:38.14malreththe digital media academy people will have the software at... 1pm today
15:38.23Fisker-do you have a velociraptor AckisWork?
15:38.29malreththat's what i get for quoting them 4 hours on the install
15:38.30AckisWorkno
15:38.33Fisker-i do
15:38.34AckisWorkno idea wtf that is
15:38.36Fisker-zomg
15:38.48AckisWorkalmost told my boss to go fuck herself this morning however
15:38.50CideAckisWork: my password is g84eFo... go
15:38.58AckisWorklol
15:38.59Fisker-~wiki Velociraptor
15:39.15AckisWorkgrats on a dinosaur?
15:39.28Fisker-<-trolling
15:39.37Fisker-~google Western Digital Velociraptor
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15:39.53Fisker-purl, fuck you
15:39.54purlOh, fisker-, Any time, big boy.
15:40.02Tenchworkshaha
15:40.31Fisker-http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=459
15:40.39Fisker---- 2008-06-25: Version 1.8 RC1 (build 11200)
15:40.39Fisker-- Change: beta markings removed
15:40.39Fisker---- 2008-06-25: Version 1.8 beta (build 11140)
15:40.46Fisker-only 60 builds to remove the word "beta"?
15:40.49Fisker-good job
15:41.21Tenchworksis the heat sink really nessecary?
15:41.32Fisker-yeah
15:41.52Tenchworksdidn't take seriously when i saw a pic of it yesterday
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15:41.54Fisker-(not really, but it would be retarded with a 2,5" drive that gets hot and noisy like shit)
15:41.54malrethfor a 10k rpm drive? yes
15:42.18Fisker-the form factor helps with noise and heat :P
15:42.23Fisker-i guess it could technically run without
15:42.28AckisWorkonly 300 gigs?
15:42.44Fisker-it's not meant to be a harddrive for porn storage
15:42.48AckisWork:(
15:42.49malrethAckisWork: it's a 2.5" mechanism
15:42.50Tenchworkslol
15:42.51Fisker-that's what i got my 2 1TB drives for
15:43.34malrethin other words, a 10" pizza holds fewer toppings than a 16"
15:43.38Fisker-gonna try out vista now :o
15:43.42Tenchworkslol
15:43.48Fisker-nah malreth
15:43.58Fisker-and i can prove it
15:44.01Fisker-don't cry cog|work
15:44.26malrethhow much does that drive cost?
15:44.31cog|workwhy are lusers so stupid?!
15:44.32Fisker-http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/309/mackies1of2gr1.jpg <-baww
15:44.40Fisker-$300 i think
15:44.49Fisker-of course in this country that means $400 ;_;
15:45.09malrethFisker-: that pizza is an example of holographic storage
15:45.12Tenchworkshttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136260&Tpk=Western%2bDigital%2bVelociraptor
15:45.18Tenchworks$300
15:45.46Fisker-portals etc. malreth
15:46.54malrethyou bought one, Fisk?
15:47.29wereHamsterthe harddrive is becoming a bigger heat source then the cpu
15:47.35Fisker-yeah malreth
15:47.40Fisker-it's been for a long time wereHamster
15:47.46Fisker-the VelociRaptor is actually quite cool
15:47.49malrethFisker-: tell me how loud it is.
15:47.55Fisker-when i hook it up later
15:48.09Fisker-don't have room for more harddrives so i have to switch it out for my current system disk
15:48.18wereHamsterI have a wd caviar and I can barely keep my hand on it. It's that hot
15:48.44wereHamsterI wonder how much heat the SDD produce
15:48.57Fisker-not much as far as i know
15:49.08Fisker-but the WD is like 40 celsius @ load apparently
15:49.18Fisker-but normal harddrives can easily be 60 celsius
15:49.29Matrix110Dont think the Raptors are worth their money
15:49.36Matrix110the only advantage you get is shorter access time
15:49.44Matrix110the transfer rates are only marginal better
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15:50.32Matrix110And a Raid 10 or Raid 5 of Samsung F1 750GBs is cheaper, faster, and has more space
15:50.41malrethwhen i upgrade my desktop, i was thinking of putting a smaller drive in the case and sticking all my other hard drives into a Drobo
15:50.45Fisker-yeah
15:50.54Fisker-cause i have a raid-controller that does raid10 or raid5 :D
15:51.06wereHamsterI need to build a quiet computer, I have the intel atom mini-itx mainboard + SSD in mind. the only fans would be on the northbridge and in the ac adapter, but other then that there would be no moving parts. Has anyone experience with building quiet computers?
15:51.17Matrix110SSD is to expensive :P
15:51.25Matrix110get a HDD and a box for it
15:51.30Matrix110let me find a pic sec
15:51.36wereHamster200SFR / 32GB, that's not that expensive
15:51.42Fisker-sfr?
15:51.52Matrix110swiss franken!
15:51.56Fisker->:O
15:51.56wereHamster~google 200 SFR in USD
15:52.03Fisker-not gonna happen wereHamster
15:52.26Matrix110http://www.ichbinleise.de/smartImages/1910-1-c_w557_h480.jpg
15:52.29Matrix110smth like this
15:53.01wereHamsterwon't the hd heat up too much in that?
15:53.16Matrix110well I wouldnt put a Raptor inside there atleast :P
15:53.17malrethjust get a normal samsung spinpoint drive
15:53.28malrethmost system noise comes from the fans
15:53.37malreththe video card, in particular
15:53.44Matrix110http://www.ichbinleise.de/smartImages/5141-1-c_w600_h480.jpg
15:54.08Matrix110My Nvidia card is silent in 2d mode
15:54.53malreththe spinpoints are what I use... they're plenty quiet, especially if you rubber grommet the mounts and close up the case
15:54.54Fisker-my card is always silent because the fan stopped working
15:55.13WikwocketAfter some research, I was hesitant to put a raid array together... it seems like if redundancy/backup is what you want, you need to stock an identical replacement raid card
15:55.14vithoshard drives aren't really that loud anymore
15:55.41Matrix110the F1s are still not quiet :P
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15:55.45wereHamsterWikwocket: unless you use s/w raid
15:55.52Matrix110Especially when you write on them
15:56.13vithoshmm weird
15:56.21WikwocketI think there were some disadvantages to a software raid but I can't recall them
15:56.32Fisker-CPU Usage
15:56.40vithosmy 10k rpm 72GB raptor isn't any louder than my 400GB 7200rpm drives, as far as i can tell
15:56.45WikwocketIn a s/w raid, the data on the disks is garbage unless you can restore the s/w, right?
15:56.48wereHamsterslower then h/w raid, but if you only use it for backup, it won't matter
15:57.34vithosWikwocket, yes but the software is trivial usually?
15:57.44Fisker-i'm raping you
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15:58.56Wikwockethmmm maybe I did not fully investigate the s/w raids
15:59.26Wikwocketat the time it seemed it'd be easier and safer to buy 2-3 external HD's, and just backup data to them
16:02.53vithoswell, that'd be like raid1
16:03.15vithosbut with raid1 you need twice as many disks as you started with in order to get the first "level" of redundancy
16:03.23vithosraid5 or raid6, you just need n+1 or n+2
16:04.24malretha drobo gets raid5 like disk utility and redundancy
16:04.35WikwocketWhat's a drobo?
16:04.38malrethdrobo.com
16:04.56malreth4 sata drive usb enclosure
16:05.08vithosa NAS
16:05.24malrethvithos: except it's USB, not network attached
16:05.28vithosoh
16:05.33malrethalthough you can buy a network component for it
16:05.40vithoswell, i have a ReadyNAS NV, but i wouldn't recommend it
16:06.20vithosi intend to replace it with a ZFS pool
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16:06.54WikwocketOoh I like that it's usb
16:07.04WikwocketBasically an external HD, but with raid qualities
16:07.08wereHamsterwith s\w raid, at least under linux, you can mix the raid levels. I had two disks in my computer, the system was on raid1, data and games on raid0. One disk died a few weeks ago, so I lost all games, but the system still runs just fine. Now when I finally get to it and buy a replacement drive, I can sync it with my existing drive and set up the raid0 partitions and install the games.
16:07.34malrethWikwocket: it's perfect for backups or heavy pr0n storage
16:07.41malrethsince speed isn't an issue
16:07.54WikwocketWe use a Linksys NAS now, 2 parallel HD's. I hate the software/firmware but it keeps redundant copies of all our files
16:07.56malrethunless it's pr0n... then you want it FAST FAST FAST!
16:08.42malrethmy plan was to attach the drobo to a media dedicated computer and use that to share it across the network
16:09.25malrethrip my dvds to that and store all my bittorrented anime there
16:10.10WikwocketThen all you need to do is put the drobo in a fireproof floodproof safe :)
16:10.28malrethWikwocket: that's what i have mozy.com for
16:10.48malrethoffsite backups for my important documents and photos
16:11.19malrethunlimited storage for $5/month... only downside is it's slow ass slow
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16:15.50Wikwocketbrb
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16:20.22malrethhere's the drive that you need if you really want a silent system: http://gizmodo.com/5021014/sub+500-128gb-drive-from-ocz-may-be-the-ssd-youve-been-saving-for
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16:21.13Shirik2.5"
16:21.28Shirikso it'll fit a SATA laptop huh
16:21.33wereHamsterdrobo doesn't support NFS, which makes it worthless for me :(
16:21.48malrethdrobo is just a hard drive enclosure
16:21.52malrethit supports USB
16:21.56wereHamsterdroboshare
16:22.06malrethhook it up to a computer and export that using NFS
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16:23.07Fisker-NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU malreth
16:23.07wereHamsterdo you have an idea how fast it is? usb2 is 480mbit/s, can drobo reach that?
16:23.40malrethwereHamster: no. one of the criticisms is how the drobo doesn't flood a usb2 connection
16:23.58malrethbut in actual practice, it's fast enough
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16:24.20malrethwhat i mean is: don't use it for your photoshop scratch disk
16:24.27wereHamster80MByte/s?
16:24.29malrethdo use it for your pr0n storage
16:25.12malrethhow fast do you need your pr0n?
16:25.33wereHamster80MByte/s, you know... full HD, uncompressed
16:26.05Shirikyou know, I cry when I look at my RTOS IDE, and in it I see "New Managed C++ Project"
16:26.12wereHamsterI think full hd would be more, but 80 is about what I need
16:26.13Shirikwhat's the point of having an RTOS if you're going to use GC...
16:26.59malrethwereHamster: kids these days. when i was your age, i wacked off to 8 bit GIFs of titties as they progressively loaded over a 300 baud connection
16:27.00WikwocketHm I like how the drobo transparently manages everything... but I wonder what happens if the drobo (not its HD's) fails
16:27.02cog|workdon't run GC while you're in another interrupt?
16:27.35cog|workmain purpose of RTOS is low latency so it seems like it could do the GC while idle to no detrimental effect...
16:28.31wereHamstermalreth: it's not for pr0n, but for other videos (I'm looking for a system where I can dump my 'fraps' videos)
16:28.45malrethis 'frapping' what you kids call it now?
16:28.47Fisker-malreth when i was your age i wacked off to black & white movies of my mom and dad
16:28.47ShirikGC while idle, sure
16:28.53Shirikbut GC is completely non-deterministic
16:28.59Shirikmain purpose of RTOS is determinism
16:29.10WikwocketOuch Drobo is $500 but its NIC is 200?
16:29.32malrethWikwocket: i don't know if the nic is worth it
16:29.48Fisker-can you beat it malreth?
16:29.54Shirikas wikipedia says....
16:29.56malrethwhich is why i plan on sharing it from a computer that i already have
16:29.57ShirikAn RTOS does not necessarily have high throughput; rather, an RTOS provides facilities which, if used properly, guarantee deadlines can be met generally (soft real-time) or deterministically (hard real-time). An RTOS will typically use specialized scheduling algorithms in order to provide the real-time developer with the tools necessary to produce deterministic behavior in the final system.
16:30.08wereHamsteror rather, it would be 'yukon' videos. But I guess you have no idea what it is, hence I used 'fraps'
16:30.17Wikwocketmalreth: indeed
16:31.17malrethFisker-: no, you win. gratz.
16:32.09Fisker-thanks
16:32.12Fisker-i wanted to win
16:32.21malrethwinning is only half the battle
16:32.24Fisker-now i need some kind of backup
16:32.42Fisker-for gargantuan harddrive
16:32.46Fisker-for my*
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16:35.09malretht-mobile is raising its SMS rates
16:35.40Fisker-owned
16:35.46malrethand announced it before the iphone 3g launch
16:36.22malrethqueue the subscribers dropping their contract music
16:36.30Wikwocketwow http://www.drobo.com/products_demo.html is pretty impressive
16:37.47Wikwockethot-swapping goodness
16:41.25malrethWikwocket: it is pretty slick
16:41.49malrethi like it because it really allows you to incrementally upgrade the capacity as drives become cheaper
16:41.57Wikwocketyeah, playing a movie from the raid while hot-swapping drives is kind of exciting
16:42.20malrethand it has that 'it just does the right thing' mentality
16:42.27Fisker-how can it keep data it doesn\t have capacity for_ .o
16:42.31malreththe interface is dead easy to understand
16:43.11malrethFisker-: it uses FREE... POTENT... ANTIPOWER to store your data
16:43.47Wikwocketprobably some tachyons are involved
16:44.54foxlitmeh, usb
16:45.17Fisker-your mother imo
16:45.54malrethUSB is universal. it even says so in the name. can you think of anything better? huh? huh? HUH?!@#!
16:46.03Fisker-also it has bus in it
16:46.23malrethFisker-: which is why it's so good at storing pr0n
16:46.43foxlitIEEE 1394
16:46.56Fisker-IEEE 1394 sounds confusing
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16:54.52malrethNew game for the jesusphone coming out this summer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN8wGj1txvI
16:56.00Fisker-religion sucks
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16:58.03foxlitif those are not the guys who made locoroco, there's nice potential for a lawsuit there
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16:59.39malrethideas and inspiration can't be copyrighted
16:59.41Fisker-lets make them aware of it
16:59.45Fisker-yes it can malreth
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16:59.57Fisker-also
17:00.00Fisker-patent pending
17:01.37foxlitsome of those visuals look like they were lifted more or less directly
17:02.37malrethbah... people, honestly
17:02.55Fisker-screenshots or it didn't happen foxlit
17:02.58malrethrealistically, anyone can sue anyone for anything
17:03.25malrethbut the gameplay is different. the mechanics are different
17:03.35foxlitI need to file a patent for use of annoying music in game levels
17:03.50foxlit(and the anti-aliasing is crappier)
17:04.02Fisker-good job foxlit
17:04.03Fisker-you win
17:04.59malrethhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFKpyScxv0k
17:05.54Fisker-sound sounds familiar?
17:07.01Fisker-do not want though
17:07.03Fisker-vista tiems
17:07.04Fisker-bai
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17:19.56cncfanaticswotlk signups started :o
17:20.08cncfanaticsis wowinterface giving some out to devs again ?
17:20.48Dashkalwtb US opt-in button...
17:20.49cog|workthis isn't for the beta
17:20.56cog|workit's a chance to get into the beta
17:21.12SixenHeh
17:21.21SixenWotLK Signups coul;dn't have started
17:21.33cog|workhere's the screenshot that mmo-champion posted
17:21.35cog|workhttp://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/july/lichkingbeta.jpg
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17:21.37cncfanaticsthe signups started, not the beta
17:21.45cncfanaticsthats what I said didn't I ? :p
17:22.01Bibimmo-champion is a LIE.
17:22.14EndBut is moo-champion cake?
17:22.21Ender
17:22.23cncfanaticsbut, will wowi give out beta invites again to devs at some point ?
17:22.24Endmmo-champion even
17:22.37cog|workcncfanatics: i'm sure Cairenn|afk will try :)
17:23.10Dreagarcan i capture AbandonQuest, and get the questname from that?
17:23.58Dreagaror do i have to do somethin like check during the quest log update for missing quests?
17:26.50Dreagari mean i could captre the onclick for the abandon quest button, and get the name then, but what if they don't say yes on the confirm?
17:27.03Kirovhooksecurefunc( "AbandonQuest", function() ChatFrame1:Addmessage(GetAbandonQuestName()) end)
17:27.08cncfanaticsDreagar: there are probably events triggered when you abandon a quest ?
17:27.17cncfanaticswhy not use that ?
17:27.19Kirovsee if when you abandon a quest the name is still valid
17:27.24KirovIt might not be
17:27.41Dreagari been lookin, and all i've found is methods in the api, but no eents.
17:27.59cladhairethere aren't events, afaik
17:28.03cladhaireits a static popup with a confirmation API
17:28.09cladhairewhat are you trying to do?
17:28.12Dreagaractually the api tends to think you need to get the name before the questabandon method
17:28.14cladhairejust get the name?
17:28.29DreagarI'm trying to get the quest name when a quest is abandoned.
17:28.41cncfanaticsUNIT_QUEST_LOG_CHANGED ?
17:28.43Dreagarso i can remove that quest from a table.
17:28.44cladhairethen do what Kirov said
17:28.53Dreagarkk. :)
17:28.55cladhairehold on a sec tho
17:29.44cog|workDreagar: i think you should get devtools
17:30.00cog|workit shows you all events as they happen, lists their args and everything
17:30.11cladhaireDoes this need to work in any sort of system?
17:30.14ScytheBlade1s/i think //
17:30.16Dreagari used to have them. :(
17:30.19cladhaireor can I give you a "better" solution that isn't more general
17:30.26cog|work~devtools
17:30.27purlIriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at   http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999  Why isn't it in the default client yet?
17:30.34Dreagarhow do you mean clad?
17:30.49cladhairedo the following
17:30.51Dreagarthanks cog, i forgot where to get it. lol
17:30.54cladhairesecurehook SelectQuestLogEntry()
17:31.00cladhaireget the quest name from that function
17:31.18cladhaireoh no, that doesn't work
17:31.24cladhaireuse
17:31.28cladhaire!api SetAbandonQuest
17:31.28lua_botDocumentation for 'SetAbandonQuest' can be found at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetAbandonQuest
17:31.31cncfanaticsit sounds highly weird that there isn't any event triggered with the name of the quest thats abandoned
17:31.34cladhairehook that
17:31.54cladhairecncfanatics: most of the events "like" that don't give things like the name
17:32.09cladhairebut you can use SetAbandonQuest to track the name
17:32.29cladhaireand then know that AbandonQuest actually does the abandoning, followed by a QUEST_LOG_UPDATE
17:32.59Dreagarthat's what i was thinin of doin, capturing the onclick of the abandon quest button, gettin the quest name, and when the update comes around, see if it's still in there, just wanted an easier way
17:33.14cladhairedon't capture the onclick
17:33.14cladhaireuse the API
17:33.19cladhaireSetAbandonQuest
17:33.38Dreagarso hook setabandonquest?
17:33.43cladhairesecurehook
17:33.46cladhaireand store the name of the quest
17:34.02Dreagarthen when the update comes around, see if it's in the log still, if not it was abandonded.
17:34.08cladhaire*nod*
17:34.11Dreagarkk thanks!
17:34.33Dreagari'm not sure i understand securehook, but 'll reread the how-to on the wiki before i ask questions.  lol
17:34.43ScytheBlade1It's pretty simple
17:34.47cladhaireits like chapter 22 or something
17:34.50cladhaireexplains why you need it :P
17:35.16ScytheBlade1It calls a function of your choosing after the function you are secure hooking fires
17:35.22Dreagarchapter 22?
17:35.23cladhairewithout tainting
17:35.25ScytheBlade1That's the basic, basic overview
17:35.32kd3whee at a tropical storm forming just off the coast of africa in the first days of july
17:35.41kd3active season this year, yay
17:37.08Dreagarso hooksecurefunc(SetAbandonQuest, function _() { questName = GetAbandonQuestName()}end)
17:37.23cladhaireyou don't need to name the function...
17:37.31wereHamsterhooksecurefunc(SetAbandonQuest, function() questName = GetAbandonQuestName()}end)
17:37.32cladhairelike
17:37.34wereHamsterhooksecurefunc(SetAbandonQuest, function() questName = GetAbandonQuestName() end)
17:37.36cladhairewow.
17:37.39cladhairelol ;-)
17:37.59Dreagarawseome. THanks! :)
17:38.03cladhaireand you need to hooksecurefunc("SetAbandonQuest", function() questName = GetAbandonQuestName() end)
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17:38.09cladhairearg1 has to be a string
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17:38.17cladhairethat _should_ work
17:38.29cladhaireas far as tracking it
17:38.40wereHamsterah, right. sorry
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17:39.15Dreagarright o. :) i'll give it a whirl right now. :)
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17:42.38Dreagarworked like a charm. thanks guys. :)
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17:46.04malrethif they make Arthas killable in Wrath, the game server should make a copy of the character that picks up Frostmourne, boost his/her stats, and make that copy the new boss that the server then has to defeat
17:46.24AckisWorkarthas > than 1 character
17:46.49AckisWorkLets drop the raid boss from 10 million hp, to 10k... sweet! :P
17:46.51Shirikon unix-based systems, is there a good way to get the contents of a directory programmatically? Or should I just popen ls?
17:47.14Dashkaloh man I used to know that call...
17:47.18malrethdid i not just say, "boost his/her stats"
17:48.56hasteShirik: luafs?
17:49.12Shiriknot Lua
17:49.20Shirikthis is a random C++ application, sorry
17:49.41cladhairelook at how lfs does it
17:49.43DashkalShirik: readdir, opendir
17:49.45pastamancerShirik: man 3 opendir
17:49.48cladhaireand do the same :P
17:49.53Shirik<3 <3 <3
17:50.15Dashkalalso, ubuntu apparently doesn't install the man category 3 pages with gcc anymore...
17:50.43pastamanceregad!
17:51.21DashkalI shouldn't be so surprised.  docs haven to be installed at all since '06
17:51.29Dashkalstupid enter key right next to the '
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17:57.50Fisker-how are i gentleman?
17:57.54Fisker-all my base are belong to me
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18:01.44malrethFisker-: how's vista?
18:01.47cncfanaticsgrrrr
18:01.49cncfanaticsFUCK THIS
18:01.55malreth~fuck cncfanatics
18:02.04cncfanaticssince I updated my linux ati drivers I can't even play a fucking avi anymore
18:02.07cncfanaticsFUCK ATI
18:02.12malrethi guess purl doesn't swing that way
18:06.40Thunder_Childmalreth, vista good, listening to Fisker-'s opnion, bad.
18:06.56Fisker-your mother Thunder_Child
18:06.57Fisker-btw
18:07.07Fisker-at the moment i can't hear my velociraptor
18:07.14malrethbecause...
18:07.14Fisker-and it's less warm than the 2 idle drives i have
18:07.15Fisker-:o
18:07.17malreththe drive is dead?
18:07.28Fisker-fuck, then my vista is loaded into the memory
18:07.30Fisker-i'm boned
18:07.59malrethbecause... the mechanism instead of containing platters holds the unhatched eggs of alien hellcreatures
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18:08.28cncfanaticshow cool, since the latest ati driver updates my gfx card is too slow to play an avi file
18:08.30cncfanaticsLOVELY
18:08.34Lunessa.. station
18:08.52malrethLunessa: http://www.citronix.net/blog/
18:09.06malrethwe better start on our apprenticeships
18:09.24Fisker-moo: ram: 1369/4094.2MB (33.43%) [|||-------]
18:09.25Fisker-:(
18:09.27Fisker-moo: os: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate - Service Pack 1 (6.0.6001)
18:09.27Thunder_ChildLunessa, didnt you have an onjoin for that?
18:09.28Fisker-:(
18:09.47Lunessanuked the onjoin Thunder_Child
18:10.05cncfanaticsFisker-: wtf ? :s
18:10.18Fisker-indeed?
18:10.20Fisker-moo: hdd: C:\ 262.07GB/279.46GB D:\ 820.48GB/931.51GB E:\ 747.51GB/931.51GB
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18:11.36Fisker-;_; shouldn't install this driver etc.
18:12.21cncfanaticsusing 900megs of mem myself atm though
18:12.21Lunessamalreth: Holy crap.  You mean the nice police officer who's computer I fixed should have arrested me?
18:12.27cncfanaticsweird, whats taking so much ?
18:12.36Fisker-dunno
18:12.38Fisker-i just installed
18:13.02Fisker-iexplore.exe :P
18:14.37cncfanaticsthis is fucked up
18:14.40cncfanaticsfuck you ati
18:15.31Fisker-no fuck you!
18:15.48cncfanaticsbrb, rebooting
18:15.57cncfanatics(ati drivers don't like x being restarted ...)
18:16.13LunessaWell crap.  Looks like my side-line income just went poof.
18:16.49KirovLunessa - another hobo take your corner??
18:17.45LunessaKirov - No, the state passed law requiring that I have a PI license to investigate causes broad categories of computer data.
18:18.06KirovAh, you live in Tex-ass
18:18.39KirovCould be worse.
18:18.43ScytheBlade1Lunessa: yeah, I'm reading that now... this is.... one impressive law
18:19.13ScytheBlade1http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/pdf/HB02833F.pdf
18:19.53LunessaIt's... massive in scope.
18:20.13KirovYou could live in a state where they actually passed the "academic freedom" law, or have your state elected education official go on the record saying they "don't believe in science"
18:20.16ScytheBlade133 pages of "may" and "may not"
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18:20.21Fisker->:(
18:21.08Fisker-i hate you
18:21.12ScytheBlade1lol
18:21.36ScytheBlade1"[(4)] be suffering from habitual drunkenness or from narcotics addition or dependence; or
18:21.39ScytheBlade1hahaha
18:21.48Kirovaddition?
18:21.51LunessaKirov: It means that computer work I do routinely now requires a criminal justice degree and $500 in fees yearly, or I need a 3-year apprenticeship as a PI.
18:21.52ScytheBlade1*addiction
18:22.08Fisker-mirc looks kinda shit in this
18:22.09Fisker-:(
18:22.35KirovLunessa - aye, I read about that the other day.
18:22.54ScytheBlade1If I had to guess, or hope - this law will be entirely ignored as soon as all seven licensed PC technicians give up on fixing an entire state
18:23.12KirovScytheBlade1 - seven?
18:23.14KirovTry none
18:23.23LunessaThe really ironic thing is I broke this law to help a police officer.  He could have/should have arrested me.
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18:23.32ScytheBlade1lol, awesome
18:23.35Fisker-yay
18:23.38Fisker-i'm rated 5,5
18:24.53Fisker-ZOMG I CAN WIN+TAB
18:25.01Fisker-now i am glad
18:25.31ScytheBlade1Lunessa: I dunno. One really really effective way would be for EVERYONE to follow that law. If I had to guess, it'd last a week tops before someone decided it should be changed
18:25.51LunessaI have to go show this to my boss.
18:25.56ScytheBlade1Haha, do it
18:25.58ScytheBlade1Do it now
18:28.01Dumanhmm
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18:30.00WikwocketFor anyone interested in Drobo's from before, here are some package bundles I found: http://www.drobo.com/offer/survey.html
18:30.23Fisker-my sound sounds crap :(
18:31.22LunessaHe's taking it seriously.
18:31.36ScytheBlade1er?
18:31.41ScytheBlade1As in, no more work for you or him?
18:32.01LunessaAs in, we have to be very careful while we find out what it means for us in-house.
18:32.03Fisker-i'd hit it Wikwocket
18:41.38Lunessahttp://www.lfgcomic.com/page/162
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18:43.30cncfanaticsw000t
18:43.35cncfanaticsmy linux system just trashed itself
18:43.39cncfanaticsDAMN I LOVE ATI DRIVERS
18:43.42ScytheBlade1cncfanatics: nicely done
18:43.48ScytheBlade1haha, that wasn't your system trashing itself
18:43.52Fisker-i love you cncfanatics
18:43.54ScytheBlade1That was you trashing it!
18:44.02cncfanaticskind of
18:44.07cncfanaticsI did something wrong clearly
18:44.16cncfanaticsas grub now has as only option to boot up "windows xp"
18:44.24ScytheBlade1hahahaha
18:45.06cncfanaticsbetter get dowloading a fucking cd on this shitty xp box
18:45.14cncfanaticsbtw, did I mention the latest ati drivers suck ?
18:45.47wereHamsteryou don't need to mention that, it's common knowledge
18:46.02cncfanaticswell, I'm wasting my time here
18:46.03cncfanaticscan't do shit :s
18:46.22wereHamsterno computer store open to buy a nvidia card?
18:46.39cncfanaticsno money
18:46.44cncfanaticsI work this month to buy a new compu
18:47.02cncfanaticsmight try to get my parents to buy me it before I'm done working and that I back em back
18:47.40cncfanaticsor if someone wants to donate :)
18:48.44LunessaInteresting:  http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7722642665&sid=1
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18:49.23cncfanaticshttp://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff148/Exportpilz/lol4th.jpg is intresting as well
18:50.01Lunessacncfanatics: All I have to give away is an ... wait for it  ...  ati card.
18:50.21cncfanatics...
18:50.27cncfanaticsif its one of those cards worth 1k its ok
18:50.32cncfanaticsI'll sell it and buy a compu with it
18:50.42LunessaIt's one of those cards that's 2+ years old.
18:51.12LunessaUnless you have AGP Video?  In which case I might have an Nvidia card laying around. :P
18:51.38cncfanaticsits agp yes
18:51.45cncfanaticsI got like an old radeon 9600 :p
18:52.12LunessaHoly crap.  Well, when I get home, I'll check my spare-bits box.
18:52.30cncfanaticshmmm, how will I get my hands on said card though ?
18:52.41LunessaI'll use the postal system.
18:52.53LunessaUnless, you know, I scare you.
18:53.02cncfanaticsonly Fisker- scares me
18:53.03Thunder_Childqft
18:53.20cncfanaticsdamn, using the windows xp assistant to write something sucks
18:53.21cncfanaticshard
18:53.56cncfanaticsit crashed, yay
18:53.57Fisker-indeed cncfanatics
18:54.00cncfanaticsno rescue disk for me
18:54.10cncfanaticsguess I'll get alcoho
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18:55.22MitranimGood morning everyone. I have a question: what is the difference between "gray" and "grey"?
18:55.42cncfanaticsgray is a color
18:55.44cncfanaticsgrey is a color
18:55.45Lunessaboth are valid spellings.
18:56.00cncfanaticsGrey is the last name of a character in a book of Oscar Wild
18:56.05cncfanaticsor was it Gray ?
18:56.18WikwocketEarl Grey?
18:56.23MitranimHmm...
18:57.00cncfanaticsanyway, I'm pissed on my computer, can't do shit anymore ...
18:57.04cncfanaticscan't even play WoW :p
18:57.30LunessaDorian Grey
18:57.42LunessaGoogle it.  It's an interesting story.
18:58.17cncfanaticsI read it for school not so long ago
18:58.35cncfanaticswell, I actualy read a summary of it, but meh
18:58.48cncfanaticsanyone know where I can dl the latest version of Wow ?
18:58.56cncfanaticsmy linux is trashed and I need to install it on my win
18:59.49cncfanaticsand wow-europe is ofc down
19:00.49LunessaYou can download it off the WoW site or fileplanet
19:00.59cncfanaticsWoW europe is down, fileplanet it is then
19:01.22Fisker-1-0
19:02.11cncfanaticscan only find patches on fileplanet
19:02.18cncfanaticsand an US trial version, me needs EU
19:02.23hastewhy not wirebrain?
19:02.29Fisker-indeed
19:02.32Fisker-mr. haste
19:02.35Fisker-set sail for fail
19:02.53hastecncfanatics: http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/
19:03.11Fisker-didn't i just tell you to set sail for fail?
19:03.25hastetoo tired to move
19:04.19cncfanatics<3 haste
19:04.35cncfanaticsis it fast haste ?
19:04.38Fisker-TF2 tiems
19:04.42Fisker-baww
19:04.51hastecncfanatics: define fast
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19:05.32cncfanatics1mg/s ?
19:06.21cncfanaticslets see what speed this torrent can hit
19:06.22hasteI'v gotten 4MB/s at least
19:07.05cncfanaticswell, this is crappy utorrent :)
19:07.07cncfanaticsgiev rtorrent ^^
19:07.25wereHamsteras client? use transmission
19:07.37Thunder_Childcncfanatics, utorrent > all
19:07.42hastertorrent > *
19:07.48cncfanaticsrtorrent >>>> *
19:07.51ScytheBlade1mmm rtorrent
19:07.56hasteby far
19:08.00cncfanaticsseriously, rtorrent rocks
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19:08.29cncfanaticsutorrent 172kb/s atm
19:08.40cncfanaticsI downloaded at 1mg/s with this line before
19:08.57ScytheBlade1I've pushed 45mbit upstream with rtorrent before
19:12.09cncfanaticswell, I'm not uploading at all
19:12.13cncfanaticslimited bandwidth lines :(
19:12.36cncfanaticsanyone know if windows can somehow read reiserfs partitions in an lvm ?
19:12.48cncfanaticsI would at least like some data back :p
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19:15.19AnaralWoot! I don't care if it's just a ploy to fend off the masses for just a couple of hours, I've opted in! Have you? https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/account/beta-opt-in.html
19:16.24AnaralWhoops, meant to post this in WoWui. Sorry for spam
19:16.42hasteuhm...
19:16.44AnaralUm, I did... nm, my tabs are screwed up
19:16.46Anarallol
19:16.58kachna|lappyowned
19:16.59AnaralIt looked like I was in a different channel.
19:17.58AnaralHeh
19:19.12cncfanaticswould it be possible to sue amd for making the worst gfx cards ever ?
19:19.49hastethe OSS drivers are improving at least
19:20.11cncfanaticsare they better then the priopriatery drivers yet for 3D ?
19:20.46Lunessacncfanatics: No, vote with your feet/wallet.  Don't buy their shite.
19:20.46hasteno idea, I haven't used AMD in years
19:21.28NechcknPardon me folks... anyone suggest what poisons a baby rogue should use- either crippling or instant on both weaps or one of each?
19:21.43ScytheBlade1instant/instant
19:22.04ScytheBlade1crippling if you have mobs that run, but only on one weapon
19:22.07LunessaFor raw DPS, Instant/Instant.  For runners... one of each.
19:22.10Dashkalinstant/instant for most thing, I use cripple/deadly for runners
19:22.14ScytheBlade1haha
19:22.16ScytheBlade1Beat you all
19:22.33NechcknAh... interesting, good points-  Many thanks!
19:22.40Nechckndamn runners...
19:22.56ScytheBlade1Yup, all rogues do
19:23.10ScytheBlade1Which is why they gave them... I forget the name of it
19:23.13ScytheBlade1...
19:23.15Nechcknplus I just had to pick the gnome type... and his legs are sooo tiny
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19:23.51cncfanaticshmmm
19:23.57cncfanaticsblizz downloader is beating utorrent
19:23.58ScytheBlade1Deadly Throw! There we are
19:23.59cncfanaticsrofl
19:24.12Nechcknlol  well, once I get it  =)
19:24.21ScytheBlade1cncfanatics: the blizz download also uses HTTP mirrors to augment the download speed
19:24.40cncfanaticstrue
19:24.46cncfanaticsdamn http mirror started at 1mg/s
19:24.50cncfanaticsnow its down to 100kb/s
19:24.51cncfanaticswtf ?
19:25.10cncfanaticsany way to get the url of the http mirror to dl from it directly ?
19:25.14LunessaWTB Forum ToC Poster that run on Mac OSX
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19:31.25wereHamstercncfanatics: what's mg/s? mili-gigabyte per second?
19:32.02wereHamstercncfanatics: strings WoW-downloader.exe | grep http://
19:32.25CidewereHamster: milligrams.
19:32.36cncfanaticsmiligrams of electrons per second
19:32.40Cideno
19:32.43wereHamsterhow much grams is one byte?
19:32.49cncfanaticsabout zero
19:32.59cncfanaticsslightly more, but not much
19:33.15Fisker-cncfanatics
19:33.16Fisker-you die
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19:33.20wereHamsterso when you said 'damn http mirror started at 1mg/s' what you really meant was 'I'm not downloading at all' ?
19:33.25cncfanaticsFisker-: I'll take you with me as slave
19:33.32Fisker-can't
19:33.40cncfanaticss/mg/mb/
19:33.41Cide0's are slightly heavier than 1's
19:33.44Fisker-something regarding your mother cncfanatics
19:33.54Cideso storing data either increases or decreases the weight of your harddrive
19:33.56cncfanaticsFisker-: its mom not mother
19:34.17cncfanaticsCide: electrons *do* weigh something don't they ?
19:34.21Cideof course
19:34.37Cideabout 10^-31 kg
19:34.37cncfanaticsso I'm correct
19:34.42Cideor was it 10^-19
19:34.47cncfanaticsI wish I had a 1mg/s download speed
19:34.53cncfanatics10^-19 is a proton I think ?
19:34.54Cidenope
19:34.55Cide-31
19:34.58Cide-19 is charge
19:35.03Cide
19:35.03Cideelectron mass = 9.10938188 × 10-31 kilograms
19:35.10Cideelementary charge = 1.60217646 × 10-19 coulombs
19:35.17cncfanaticskay
19:35.19cncfanaticshmmm
19:35.30cncfanaticshow much electrons per second would would 1mg/s be ?
19:35.51ScytheBlade1Uhh... a lot
19:36.07Cide>>> 10^-6 / (9.109*10^-31)
19:36.07CideCide: 1.0978153474586e+024
19:36.11Cidea few
19:36.26cncfanaticshow much bytes can you transport through a cable with that much electrons ?
19:36.36Cidetechnically
19:36.50cncfanatics<PROTECTED>
19:36.53Cideif you time your arrivals of electrons
19:37.05cncfanaticseach electron should be a 1
19:37.06Cideyou could represent an arrived electron as a 1, and the lack of one as a 0
19:37.17cncfanaticsyea, but I doubt we can time that correctly :p
19:37.20Cideso it all depends on how fast you can time the arrivals
19:37.23Cideunfortunately
19:37.29Cideelectrons move fairly slowly through wires
19:37.44Cidemeasured in millimeters/sec or less, iirc
19:37.49cncfanatics:o
19:37.55cncfanaticsso you could time it actualy ?
19:37.55Cidephotons would be a better choice
19:38.04cncfanaticsyea, fiber ftw
19:38.18Cideno, because you'd have several electrons coming in at once
19:38.26Cidecan't have a single electron queue, so to speak
19:38.29cncfanaticsnot true
19:38.34cncfanaticsif you have a cable of 2x2 atoms
19:38.40cncfanatics1 I mean
19:38.45Cidemost metals have 30 or so electrons
19:38.46cncfanaticsa cable of one atom thick
19:38.59cncfanaticswould let electrons queue perfectly ?
19:39.02CideI'm not sure if they "skip" one at a time
19:39.11Cideor if it's even consistent
19:39.17cncfanaticsmmmm, my physics are rusty
19:41.35cncfanaticshttp://195.130.135.231//WoW-BurningCrusade-enGB-Full-Installer.pieces/ is the folder where all pieces of the installer are in :o
19:41.39cncfanaticsanyone feel like messing with wget ?
19:42.01Cidenewp
19:42.05Cideburning crusade is old news
19:46.54Lunessammmm... drugs.
19:48.30LunessaI hold here in my hand a a single part which crippled a building's network for days.  Cisco 1000 BASE-SX 850nm LASER.  Such a tiny little device.  So very wicked cool.
19:49.19Kirovfiber laser?
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19:50.08cncfanaticswhat did it do Lunessa ?
19:50.11LunessaYeah.  It was the link from the fiber to the router.
19:50.32cncfanaticshmmmm Lunessa, do you have lots of hardware I can mess around with ? :p
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19:50.46*** part/#wowuidev Krysmas (n=Krysmas@209-234-175-114.static.twtelecom.net)
19:50.51LunessaI wish.  They only gave this one to me because it's broken.
19:51.10LunessaI just wanted to open it up and look inside.
19:51.37cncfanaticsDashkal: wait a few weeks tbh
19:51.42cncfanaticsthey always invite in several phases
19:51.49Dashkalcncfanatics: oh I know, but I can hope :p
19:51.53cncfanaticsthe chance ur in the first phase is closer to 0% then to 5% :p
19:52.06DashkalI just got permission from the boss (stupid NDA) so now all I can do is wait/hope
19:52.13LunessaWhat, angling for beta invites to DIII?
19:52.22cncfanaticswotlk you mean
19:52.30Dashkalnot so much for D3.  I intend to buy it, but I don't care if I get to beta it
19:52.46cncfanaticsI'm hoping Cairenn manages to give out beta invites to devs again
19:52.52cncfanaticsthats how I get in for TBC
19:53.00KirovDashkal - I think you transposed two of the letters there.  It's your boss's stupid DNA
19:53.16Dashkalhey, I have good bosses.  Seriously :p  I love my job
19:53.18LunessaI didn't get into TBC, though I was in for the last wave of "open beta" for the game itself.
19:53.26CideKirov: rofl
19:53.34DashkalI just won't sign/aggree to/whatever an NDA without letting the hand that pays me know :p
19:54.16cncfanaticsgonna watch bleach
19:54.47cncfanaticsDashkal: thats Hubert right ?
19:55.06Dashkalcncfanatics: huh?  This is the sound of that going right over my head...
19:55.16cncfanaticswait, who do you work for again ?
19:55.24Cideflagship studios
19:55.28Cide^ would be hilarious
19:55.29DashkalSmall startup dev company
19:55.34cncfanaticsname ? :o
19:55.35DashkalCide: *shudder*
19:55.37cncfanaticsand location ?
19:55.43DashkalConvaxis.  Vancouver, BC
19:55.56cncfanaticskay
19:56.00cncfanaticsgonna watch bleach now
19:56.00KirovCide - that'd be next door to me.  :P
19:56.05CideKirov: nice
19:56.06Lunessa<--- Needs a better job.
19:56.10DashkalI would rather have nothing to do with the company that did vent...
20:04.02Cidethanks
20:04.09Cidesarcasm is awesome
20:04.15Cideso I do my best
20:04.56Cide^ I couldn't come up with a sarcastic response fast enough, sorry to disappoint Lunessa
20:05.21AckisWorkno way!
20:05.23Lunessafucker.
20:05.43CideAckisWork: why don't you say hello to.. no wait, there's nobody there.
20:06.00AckisWorklol
20:06.02ShirikAnyone know what tcp/1995 is? nmap says it's "perf-port"
20:06.13CideShirik: depends on the values of t, c, and p
20:06.19Shirik...
20:06.19AckisWorkwas just trying to help w/ the sarcastic responce
20:06.33nevcairiellol
20:06.33*** kick/#wowuidev [Cide!i=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik] by Shirik (tcp this)
20:06.40LunessaLAWL
20:06.40*** join/#wowuidev Cide (n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com)
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20:06.41ScytheBlade1haha
20:06.46Cidethere is no tcpoon
20:06.50ScytheBlade1...
20:06.51ScytheBlade1Wow
20:06.53ScytheBlade1That's...
20:06.56ScytheBlade1That's terrible
20:07.01CideI know
20:07.05Cidethat's what makes it so awesome
20:07.06Shirikmade me laugh, sadly
20:07.11CideI'm still laughing
20:07.15LunessaOur packet, which is on ethernet, hallowed be they bits.
20:07.16nevcairielShirik: its used by cisco network hardware, iirc
20:07.25Shirikhm, ok
20:07.39DashkalCisco perf port (source: http://www.auditmypc.com/port/tcp-port-1995.asp)
20:07.58Shirikyeah, I went to that page
20:07.59nevcairielhowever its not in the protected range, so it could be anything
20:08.00Shirikthat tells me nothing
20:08.03cog|work~fail Lunessa
20:08.04purlLunessa: FAIL!
20:08.17Lunessa~lart cog|work
20:08.17purlgives cog|work a good seeing to
20:08.34Shiriknevcairiel: It's closed, too, but it happened to be the only port that responded, so I was curious
20:09.14nevcairielcisco uses 1993-1999 for some management tasks
20:09.27nevcairieloh some lower ports too
20:09.28nevcairieli guess
20:12.45haste<PROTECTED>
20:13.35LunessaVodka would be nice. Provided it isn't that swill from the well.
20:14.49cncfanaticscisco
20:15.01cncfanaticsthey use something with a name like that at work for firewall
20:15.45LunessaTomorrow is a holiday.  We're closed.  2/3rds of the campus has already left.  And yet... Here I sit until 10:30pm GMT-6.
20:17.32LunessaHence my desire for vodka to mix with my tea.
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20:19.06Shirik#lua has entered bash-worthy conversations...
20:19.55CideShirik: there is no link
20:20.08Cidewhat are you, computerally challenged?
20:20.21Shiriko.o;?
20:20.32Cidewhere is the paste?
20:21.03LunessaYeah.  Don't make me join a channel once I've f*ing missed it. :P
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20:22.14Shirikhttp://wowi.pastey.net/90579
20:22.32Shirikin particular, starting at line 22
20:22.58cncfanaticsw00000t
20:23.07cncfanaticsfound a 2.3.0 full version of WOW dl'ing at 1.1mb/s
20:23.10Cideline 11 is fucking hilarious.
20:23.13cncfanaticsfinaly some decent speed
20:24.29Cidebut I ask myself, since when has inductance and resonance been at all related?
20:25.10LunessaCide that only happens when the Wham is overheating.
20:25.25Cideah. I should have known.
20:26.20LunessaI'm probably the only one who understood my damned movie reference.
20:27.04cncfanaticsprobably
20:27.06cncfanaticsexplain it :D
20:27.22CideLunessa: I only watch movies worth watching
20:27.38Fisker-boo btw
20:27.38LunessaIn the 80s, it wasn't too bad.
20:27.40ShirikCide: AC power :)
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20:28.17CideShirik: just divide by 2^0.5 and you're set
20:28.33Cidenote: I don't know what I'm talking about
20:30.44Lunessa-- this is the film.  It was terrible.  But I was 14, and Eddie Murphy was still funny. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086955/
20:31.38CideI'm not on my game tonight
20:31.47Cidefor all this time, I was trying to think of something sarcastic to say to you Lunessa
20:31.52CideI think you jinxed it
20:31.59Cideso I'll just go with
20:32.02CideI curse the day you were born.
20:32.06LunessaMy work here is done.
20:32.51CideI can't believe nobody got THAT movie reference
20:35.01LunessaI've seen the stupid "Do a Michael Jackson" and "the WHAM IS OVERHEATING" clip on the web so many times...
20:35.23Cidebut nobody got "I curse the day you were born"
20:35.33Cidesad. I didn't think you'd let me down like this Lunessa.
20:35.37cncfanatics"I curse the day Cide was born"
20:35.54Cideclever, original, innovative. mm, I smell a great joke here.
20:38.08LunessaWIN - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU_14ZPCMfc
20:40.31LunessaTerrible movie.
20:42.39cncfanaticscan someone figure how big this file is ? http://www.4fansites.de/world_of_warcraft_client/4fansites.de_wow_2_3_0_7561_engb.rar
20:42.51cncfanaticsmy browser won't tell meh
20:44.40Fisker-because the webserver fails
20:45.04Cidehere's something that works
20:45.05foxlitserver fails, more likely
20:45.06Cidedownload it
20:45.18Cideand then check the file size on your local filesystem
20:45.32cncfanaticsI'm doing just that
20:45.34cncfanaticsaccording to the server
20:45.39cncfanaticsthe file is MINUS 600 megs
20:45.51cncfanaticsSize: -651951600 Bytes
20:45.53foxlitnot finished uploading, np :)
20:45.54Fisker-yes
20:45.57Fisker-because the server fails
20:46.07Cideactually
20:46.19Cideit's set up to randomly stream you guys 1's and 0's randomly
20:46.22Cideforever
20:46.29cncfanaticsDie
20:46.38Cidecourtesy of me.
20:46.45cncfanaticshttp://www.pastey.net/90581 for the record
20:46.49cncfanaticsapache bug ?
20:47.00cncfanaticsoh, and why didn't they fucking set up an ftp for big files like that ?
20:47.04Fisker-probably
20:47.08Fisker-old apache is oooold
20:47.12foxlitgoogle calculator should let you cast things :)
20:47.16cncfanaticsya, 1.3.34
20:47.57cncfanaticswell, its full WoW 2.3.0
20:48.02cncfanaticsso I'm guessing its at least 4gig ?
20:50.02cncfanaticshaha
20:50.19Cidethat's almost infinity
20:50.21Cidelike I said
20:50.24Cideso that's random 1's and 0's
20:50.28Cidemore or less
20:51.31cncfanaticsEPIC http://www.pastey.net/90582
20:52.10ScytheBlade1yeah I read that back when it was first posted
20:52.13ScytheBlade1It's a great read
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20:52.42malrethi told them... i told them no hardware installs. they agreed to this
20:52.46malrethwhat do they do?
20:52.51malreththey show up an hour late
20:52.57malrethwith 4 iMacs to install
20:53.01cncfanaticsArchimonde: The key to this encounteris to make sure that all the retards in your guild are playing as either hunter, shaman or druid
20:53.57ScytheBlade1"you will recive purpals and then you get to see the guild miners strut their stuff as they consistently fail to mine crimson spinels."
20:54.07ScytheBlade1There's more truth to that statement than can possibly stated
20:54.13cncfanaticsya
20:54.35cncfanaticsyou forgot a "be" in your phrase btw
20:55.29ScytheBlade1lol I did
20:55.33cncfanaticsOne of the truths that trancend WOW raiding across many dungeons of all types and sizes is: Dont Stand in the Fire. With this encounter, blizzard has introduced a new twist to the classic fire, with an alluring Blue tint thats sure to entrance even your most hardened veteran raider.
20:57.07cncfanaticsroflmao
20:57.14Fisker-you'll get destroyed cncfanatics
20:57.19cncfanaticsGurtogg Bloodboil: You are in a Guild. In your Guild There are Shamans. In your Shamans' Spellbook There is a Button. This Button is called Brain Heal. In ye olde timey days of yore, healers in MMO's had to engage in the laborious task of selecting the targets they wished to heal. But those days are over thanks to the stunning healing technology available to every shaman in the form of Brain Heal (It does the thinking for you!).
20:57.34cncfanaticsthe guy who wrote that is epic :p
20:58.16Shirikf that
20:58.20Shirikbloodboil is not for shamans
20:58.23Shirikit's for priests
20:58.28cncfanaticsMother Sharazrazaz: Phase 1 of this fight is 2-3 weeks long and involves farming trash for heart of darknesses.
20:58.38ScytheBlade1cncfanatics: or, OR
20:58.49Shirik~hug Lunessa
20:58.50purlACTION sneaks up on Lunessa and suddenly hugs Lunessa tightly
20:58.57ScytheBlade1cncfanatics: your guild is bad enough that you spent enough time wiping on the trash and likewise farmed up complete sets of SR gear long before you ever saw her
20:59.00ScytheBlade1(<---)
20:59.08cncfanaticsthat works too
20:59.19cncfanaticsOR you could buy hearts of darkness with gbankz moneyz
20:59.47cncfanatics~slap Lunessa
20:59.48purlACTION slaps Lunessa, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
21:00.11cncfanaticsThe other amazing thing about this fight is that whenever someone dies no matter how early or late or how preventable or unavoidable their death, that person is 100% guranteed to claim that their healthstone was on cooldown. Cherish these moments folks, you only live once.
21:01.08ScytheBlade1Except in my case, that's actually true
21:01.15ScytheBlade1Because healthstones and mana gems share cooldowns
21:01.18ScytheBlade1=[
21:01.35cncfanaticsguess the fight btw
21:01.38cncfanaticswhat fight is that ? :p
21:01.50ScytheBlade1council
21:02.27cncfanaticsChef Illidan has prepared a special meal for your raid: The Flames of azzinoth, and he encourages you to have a taste, but I would personally advise against it unless you are wearing full FR gear. Fans of bright colors will ejoy this phase: featuring Neon Green Fire, neon Blue Lazers, and Neon Blue Fire behind the Neon Blue lazers! As per WoW Raiding rule 47.2(b) You still Shouldnt stand in the fire. This phase is also where your warlo
21:02.37cncfanaticsI love the neon part :D
21:05.55LunessaAnyone else here play an Enhancement Shaman?
21:06.08malrethwhat's a shaman?
21:06.13ScytheBlade1what's a shaman?
21:06.18Lunessa~whalenuke malreth
21:06.19purlACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around malreth with his mind powers.
21:08.05wereHamster"I'm listening to what you say but I only hear what I want to" - "That's just called being a woman"
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21:08.36malreth~lart wereHamster
21:08.36purlrm -rf's wereHamster
21:09.23LunessawereHamster: You lips are moving but all I hear is "balh blah blah"
21:09.43wereHamsterA blonde at 'are you smarter then a 5th grader", question is: "Budapest is the capital of what european country"
21:10.04KirovAmerica!
21:10.57LunessaIs that the show with Jeff Foxworthy?
21:11.03AnaralI hate cows! They can be such jerks!
21:11.52wereHamsterHungary? That's a country? I've heard of Turkey, but Hungary? never heard of it
21:13.46KirovUnited States of America should probably be renamed to Glutony
21:14.03Lunessamalreth: How do you stand it when Professors in computer science can't figure out how to change their domain passowrd?
21:14.41malrethLunessa: i've found that computer science expert generally does not imply computer expert
21:15.10Lunessa... but the button says "Change Password" on it. *headdesk*
21:15.34malrethhow do you get to that "change password" button?
21:19.25cncfanaticshow can a professor in computer science not be able to use a fucking computer ?
21:19.38malretheasy
21:19.59malrethcomputer science has absolutely nothing to do with windows domain passwords
21:20.06malrethor anything even remotely related
21:20.21cncfanaticstrue
21:20.35cncfanaticsbut if you are a bit logical and good with computers u'll be able to mess enough with windows to find where to change that
21:20.38malrethdijkstra didn't even really use a computer
21:21.04malrethhe had his research assistants do that menial work
21:21.34malrethdijkstra used the only tools a computer science god needs... a pen and paper
21:21.49malrethactually, probably a whiteboard
21:21.57malrethmaybe a chalkboard
21:21.57LunessaI'm just saying... if you can't read the button...
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21:22.22LunessaYou should pay me a lot more than what you are.
21:22.39wereHamsterI so miss the chaser's war on everything :(
21:23.30Krapshow often does the armory update?
21:23.38cncfanaticswhenever you logout
21:23.48cncfanaticswell, its suposed to anyway
21:26.23malreth"Having invented much of the technology of software, Dijkstra eschewed the use of computers in his own work for many decades. Almost all EWDs appearing after 1972 were hand-written. Even after he succumbed to his UT colleagues’ encouragement and acquired a Macintosh computer, he used it only for e-mail and for browsing the World Wide Web."
21:26.37malrethhahah!
21:27.29LunessaGood for him.
21:27.53krkathat
21:27.58krkas interesting
21:28.38Krapsi cant find myself
21:28.51Krapsneed yoga :p
21:28.57wereHamster~seen Kraps
21:28.59purlkraps is currently on #wowuidev (6m 46s) #wowwiki (6m 46s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 8s, last said: 'need yoga :p'.
21:29.07wereHamsterI found you :)
21:29.18Krapsyay!
21:29.30Krapsin the armory
21:29.32krkai agree - computer science has very little to do with computers, it is more related to math (logic, set theory, et.c.)
21:33.31LunessaYes, but still, these guys use computers and read English daily.  How hard can it be to read the "Change Password" button?
21:34.27cncfanatics"Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes."
21:34.39malrethi love that line
21:35.15malrethespecially since i have a degree in Telescoponomy
21:35.29cncfanaticsglad I'm gonna study APPLIED computer science :p which is all about programming
21:35.49malrethwe call that computer engineering here at UT
21:36.16cncfanaticsapplied computer science here
21:36.24cncfanaticsguess the highschool of gent wanted to make a fancy name
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21:40.17LunessaClose your eyes, and imagine a serene lake in the mountains, with mist rising into the cool morning air.  Now repeat after me, "My nine-iron is an extension of my penis."
21:40.51Cairenno.O
21:40.52malrethif i ever took up golf as a hobby
21:41.15malrethi'd have a cast of my penis made and turned into a putter
21:41.30Lunessasnicker.
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21:41.44malreth"he's on the green... and malreth pulls out... why yes, i believe that's a schlong"
21:43.10DashkalLunessa: *blinks* I saw that movie, but I forgot what it was called...
21:43.14Lunessa*screen blanks out* Please stand by.  We are experiencing technical difficulties.
21:43.23LunessaDashkal: Rockula.
21:43.29Dashkalaha, danke
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21:43.49LunessaThomas Dolby in the role of Stanley.
21:44.49LunessaI asked him once in a "celebrity chat" if after his role in that movie he ever considered doing more acting.  His reply "What is this? Blackmail?"
21:45.24malrethhttp://www.theperfectphit.com/
21:47.01Lunessamalreth: You should no longer be allowed to surf the 'net.  You keep breaking my illusions that humans can't get any odder.
21:47.27cncfanaticsLunessa: I'm 100% sure you'll never meet the most odd person on earth
21:47.46LunessaThat's a moving target.
21:48.00cncfanaticsy
21:48.02LunessaAnd 'sides Anna Nicole Smith is dead.
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21:50.35cog|workagain!!?
21:50.46AnaralWhy in the world does McDonalds not have a menu on their site??? The closest I can find is their nutritional facts chart.
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21:51.39cncfanatics:o
21:51.42cncfanaticsBIll gates: “We've really achieved the ideal of what I wanted Microsoft to become.”
21:51.59cncfanaticsso he wanted microsoft to become a money gripping, poorly coding and very limiting company ?
21:52.11DashkalIt made money, what else do you want?
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21:52.54Matrix110Well you can flame MS as much as you want but without them I doubt the PC would be that far :P
21:52.58cncfanaticsmaybe
21:53.05cncfanaticscan't know what wld have happened without em rly
21:53.13cncfanaticsanother company might have emerged and made thigns better/worse
21:53.29LunessaBill Gates did one thing that I whole-heartedly support.  He pushed the idea that people who create computer code should get paid for their work.
21:53.29Matrix110And tbh
21:53.32Matrix110MS is better than Apple
21:53.44Matrix110(not talking about their code though)
21:54.44cncfanaticsLunessa: agree with that
21:54.52nevcairiel(23:51:57) (cncfanatics) so he wanted microsoft to become a money gripping, poorly coding and very limiting company ? <-- thats just wrong, pure flame without any real facts ;)
21:55.15cncfanaticsnevcairiel: are you telling me windows is not poorly coded ?
21:55.21nevcairielyes, i am
21:55.22cncfanaticsand that MS is not money gripping ?
21:55.31Matrix110I wouldnt say Windows is poorly coded
21:55.33LunessaThere's a pretty good book about the history of the computing movement called "Hackers: Heros of the Computer Revolution" - tells some good stories. :)
21:55.35nevcairielall companys want money, thats nothing special
21:55.41Matrix110but the design has some issues :P
21:56.07kd3heh. figured... just the opt-in
21:56.17ScytheBlade1yup, nothing else
21:56.25ScytheBlade1They aren't opening up the flood gates on you quite yet
21:56.41nevcairielthere is "closed" beta before "open" beta anyway
21:56.46nevcairielno flood gates on closed :P
21:57.08ScytheBlade1Compared to a literally hand picked few?
21:57.47nevcairielsome are probably hand-picked or from a special group of players, like developers
21:58.05nevcairielsome from that random thingy from the opt-in
21:58.16nevcairielsome from the WWI/BlizzCon beta tickets
21:58.58Matrix110Forum MVPs and hopefully lots of Addons devs :P
22:00.09cncfanaticshopefully lots of addon devs indeed
22:00.20cncfanaticsI want to update my stuff for wotlk and I don't want other people's stuff to break either :p
22:00.49Matrix110Well I think the change to the Addon System is not that big as with 2.0
22:00.57foxlityou don't really need beta access for that, though :)
22:01.00Matrix110Seeing they changed so much recently
22:01.08ScytheBlade1Matrix110: that really depends... if they're finally deprecating arg1, arg2, arg3, etc globals or not
22:01.25foxlitSome PTR time of the 2.0.3-equivalent patch and you can fix anything you want :)
22:01.41foxlitor was it 2.0.1?
22:01.42cncfanaticsif they're not making ground breaking changes, yep
22:01.45Matrix110Well the devs should get atleast something from writing addons :P
22:01.56Matrix110So let them get Beta Access
22:01.56Matrix110:D
22:02.24cncfanaticsthats what the wowi signup was for back at TBC bet
22:02.26cncfanaticsbeta*
22:02.29cncfanaticsI hope it comes again
22:02.54Matrix110That was nice ye for the devs that didnt had a BEta account already
22:03.47Matrix110But slouken will hopefully sneak some of the devs name inside the beta list:D
22:04.36cncfanaticshopefully y
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22:04.38ScytheBlade1s/slouken/zoot/
22:04.44cncfanaticsdoes he even know all dev's account names ? :p
22:04.52cncfanaticsor would they have a list of that somewhere ? :p
22:05.13kd3they see our account names on the forum. I'm sure a list wouldn't be too hard to put together. >.>
22:05.26ScytheBlade1Indeed
22:05.26cncfanaticsand for those who never ever post on forums ?
22:05.57ScytheBlade1cncfanatics: your loss!
22:06.16cncfanaticsI'm 100% sure I'm not the only one :p
22:06.28cncfanaticsany forum except my guild one (which is 100% non-serious) bor eme
22:07.49Matrix110Well Its not about all devs getting Beta access anyway would be to many :P
22:08.05Matrix110But going to WoWi/Curse and taking the TopX authors
22:08.25ScytheBlade1There's a reason that taking the Top X authors wasn't done for TBC
22:08.33ScytheBlade1That's amazingly selective for no good reason :P
22:08.37bleeter#define top
22:08.40ScytheBlade1Exactly
22:08.48Matrix110Number of Downloads :P
22:08.56cncfanaticsMatrix110: hardly relevant
22:08.58clad|sleepflawed to say the least
22:09.06Matrix110Well I know it doesnt mean they code good
22:09.13clad|sleepI think we have no need to worry
22:09.15cncfanaticstbh, if they gave everyone that played WoW and knows lua beta access it wouldn't be *that* much
22:09.25Dashkalauthors of the addons most actually used?
22:09.26clad|sleepbeta for BC worked out just fine
22:09.30clad|sleepi doubt they'll somehow regres
22:09.30cncfanaticstrue
22:09.33clad|sleepregress
22:09.43bleeterwell, I have a huge problem with BC beta
22:09.53Dashkalnot saying they should, but htat's a metric they could actually use to a degree since they can collect stats on who uses what mods
22:09.59bleeterhow the HELL the let the starting zone be so bugged on first release is totally beyond me
22:10.06bleeter*they let
22:10.16ScytheBlade1bleeter: beta.
22:10.24bleeterwhat were the BC testers from the community doing? sitting on their butts? :P
22:10.26ScytheBlade1bleeter: I suggest more Q_Q is in order ;)
22:10.38ScytheBlade1I don't know. adding content to the game? ;)
22:10.49bleeterScytheBlade1: I'm from QQ central today. I've got THE QQ song of all time in my head ;)
22:10.54ScytheBlade1lol
22:11.11cncfanaticseqg+89s7h9g+7d48h5416587
22:11.18cncfanaticsI just downloaded a 3gig archive and its fucking CORRUPT
22:11.20Matrix110that looks like a PW
22:11.23Matrix110oh
22:11.24Matrix110:-(
22:11.29clad|sleep~md5 that sucks
22:11.32bleeterScytheBlade1: http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Hunters-And-Collectors/Say-Goodbye.html
22:11.41cncfanaticsI'm gonna keep that md5 tbh
22:11.44cncfanatics~sucks
22:11.44purlonly if you ask nicely and pay well.
22:11.53cncfanatics~sucky
22:12.04cncfanatics~that sucks
22:12.05bleeterYOU DON'T MAKE ME FEEL
22:12.09foxlitconsidering addons are inherently third party, though
22:12.13bleeterLIKE I'M A WOMAN... ANYMORE!!!!!! HAH!
22:12.14cncfanaticspurl, that sucks is c930e6d143112d8b391edc7326973025
22:12.14purlcncfanatics: I think you lost me on that one
22:12.18ScytheBlade1Whoa now
22:12.26ScytheBlade1bleeter's gone emo on us
22:12.37bleetersif the hunnas are emo
22:12.44clad|sleepemo kiwi!
22:12.58clad|sleeplolol :P
22:13.05bleetersif sheep rooter
22:13.14bleeter:P
22:13.15Dashkal'cuts', not 'stabs', bleeter.  l4n2emo
22:13.19clad|sleepsrsly
22:13.22clad|sleep~emo
22:13.23purl/wrists
22:13.35clad|sleep~literal emo
22:13.36purl"emo" is "<reply> /wrists"
22:13.40clad|sleepaaw
22:13.46clad|sleepi feel like that could be so much better =/
22:14.05ScytheBlade1clad|sleep: so fix it imo!
22:14.19bleeternao!!!
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22:15.15bleetersilly silly icq
22:15.20clad|sleep~emulate cladhaire
22:15.21purlI'm taking down the server again
22:15.27clad|sleepwow thats old
22:15.31clad|sleep~literal emulate cladhaire
22:15.32purl"emulate cladhaire" is "<reply>Good code is something to appreciate like a work of art. || <action> shakes, berries fall to the ground.||<reply>I'm taking down the server again"
22:15.58clad|sleeppurl, no emulate cladhaire is <reply>Good code is something to appreciate like a work of art. || <action> shakes, berries fall to the ground.
22:15.59purlclad|sleep: okay
22:16.01bleeterclad|sleep: s/like/as it is/
22:16.10cncfanaticshmmm, whats mine anyway
22:16.16cncfanatics~emulate cncfanatics
22:16.17purlwah wah
22:16.20clad|sleephahahaha
22:16.23cncfanaticsrofl
22:16.25Matrix110~emulate Matrix110
22:16.30Matrix110:-(
22:16.37cncfanaticshow to set a literal again ?
22:16.45Matrix110~fail
22:16.45purlSorry, matrix110, you have failed.
22:16.45clad|sleepjust tell purl
22:16.58clad|sleepsay "purl, foo is bar"
22:17.03Matrix110No purl you have failed
22:17.11cncfanaticspurl, emulate cncfanatics is You can clip our wings, but we will always remember what it was like to fly.
22:17.11purl...but emulate cncfanatics is already something else...
22:17.17cncfanaticspurl, forget emulate cncfanatics
22:17.18purli forgot emulate cncfanatics, cncfanatics
22:17.21cncfanaticspurl, emulate cncfanatics is You can clip our wings, but we will always remember what it was like to fly.
22:17.22purlokay, cncfanatics
22:17.27cncfanatics~emulate cncfanatics
22:17.27purlemulate cncfanatics is, like, You can clip our wings, but we will always remember what it was like to fly.
22:17.28clad|sleepaww, you can't set your own emulate
22:17.30clad|sleepthat's cheating
22:17.47cncfanaticspurl, forget emulate cncfanatics
22:17.47purli forgot emulate cncfanatics, cncfanatics
22:17.52clad|sleeplol
22:17.53cncfanaticsthe wah wah just sucks :) leave it blank then
22:18.05Stanzilla~emulate cncfanatics
22:18.42foxlit~emulate purl
22:18.43purlACTION spams the channel with useless trivia, inane triggers, and finally, slaps itself with an especially large sea-faring mammal.
22:18.43Stanzillajust wanted to check if he answers if he forgot something
22:19.01cncfanatics~whalecrit purl
22:19.02purlACTION crits purl with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. purl dies
22:19.29cncfanaticsI'm going to get some sleep
22:19.31cncfanaticsg'night ppl
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22:23.23ArrowmasterCairenn: ping
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22:23.28CairennArrowmaster: pong
22:23.37ArrowmasterCairenn: look in #wowace pls
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22:29.08LukianCairenn, just ban them already :p
22:29.24CairennLukian: I have, 3 times now
22:29.28Cairennthey keep getting around it
22:29.34Lukianah right :(
22:29.42CairennI think I hopefully have it this time, thanks to some assistance by Dave2
22:30.15*** mode/#WoWUIDev [+b *!*=62d998ff@gateway/web/*] by Cairenn
22:30.28Cairennand I'll put it in here before he even gets a chance to come here instead
22:30.34Dashkal<3
22:30.38Lukianhopefully they don't find any of the other wow channels ^_^
22:31.01LukianI noticed gatway/web was banned elsewhere (or previously in a channel) I was wondering why XD
22:31.02Cairenngiven how many of them I have op status in, I can take care of him if he does
22:31.02Arrowmasteryour first one had a *.* in it which kept it from matching correctly
22:31.31Lukian*!*@gateway/web/* <- do it! :D
22:31.58Dashkalethen appears to be serpent: ethan12 <i=18224938@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fc8711493e8acd89> “c-24-34-73-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net”
22:31.59Cairennno :p
22:32.13wereHamsterwon't that ban the cosmos users as well?
22:32.47LukianwereHamster, and that is a problem, why? :)
22:32.57ArrowmasterCairenn: the other ones still there
22:32.58DashkalCairenn: if you could, though?  at it again
22:33.10Cairennyeah, I see
22:33.13Lukianname ban them too after
22:33.20wereHamsterLukian: yes, very much. Cosmos users are redirected here
22:33.46Cairennbut the ban list is full, I have to find someone I can take off it, first
22:34.04LukianLOL
22:34.14Arrowmasterremove *!*.*@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a766dc252fc5d4ec
22:34.18Arrowmasterit was your first one that didnt work
22:34.33Arrowmaster*!62d998ff@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a766dc252fc5d4ec was your 2nd that didnt work
22:35.56Cairennthanks Arrowmaster
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22:46.50cncfanaticsanyone has some good programming resources for me to read ?
22:46.54cncfanaticswaiting for a dl to finish
22:47.08Cairenn~wowprogramming
22:47.09purlWorld of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com
22:47.11Cairenn:p
22:47.40ScytheBlade1heh
22:47.42ScytheBlade1Cairenn wins
22:48.29cncfanaticsheh
22:50.00cncfanaticsshld rly buy that book
22:50.08cncfanaticswill buy it in august prolly afteer I get paid
22:50.27batrickwhat type of programming resources are you referring to?
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22:51.42cncfanaticsjust, anything really
22:51.48cncfanaticssomething to kill time while this download finishes
22:52.06batrickO, then you wouldn't want a book recommendation then :P
22:52.12cncfanaticsnot rly nop :p
22:54.14|Jelly|Honestly, that book is win-tastic. Pages 379 to 927 are reference.
22:54.33|Jelly|It's like WoWWiki at your finger tips.
22:54.38clad|sleepheh
22:54.38ScytheBlade1Truth
22:54.48ScytheBlade1clad can attest to the effort involved with that, I'm sure ;)
22:54.50KirovIt's wowwiki with out the drama!
22:54.53wereHamster|Jelly|: can you use google to search it?
22:54.53ScytheBlade1lol
22:54.54clad|sleepwell feel free to help keep it updated :P
22:55.02cog|workwereHamster: you can use amazon
22:55.06ScytheBlade1wereHamster: don't need to, truth be told. It's REALLY well put together
22:55.11cog|workand the index
22:55.25clad|sleepwereHamster: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=site%3Awowprogramming.com+UnitHealth&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
22:55.27cog|work(though i can't really say I'm 100% satisfied with the index :| )
22:55.29clad|sleepactually yes you can
22:55.37clad|sleepbecause the API is available online for free :P
22:55.44Lunessawait, there's wowwkik drama?
22:55.52cncfanaticsclad|sleep: its a wiki right ?
22:55.57clad|sleepyep
22:55.58cog|workLunessa: wiki is the hawaiian word for drama
22:56.10clad|sleepand the API is fully editable
22:56.13Lunessamahalo localboy
22:56.22clad|sleepand the content will end up in the next version of the book.. with credit to the contributors if not more ::
22:56.29cncfanaticsshld remember that, I never add info when it misses content -.-
22:56.30|Jelly|wereHamster: No, I actually learned how to use a ToC / Index in school.
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23:17.06wereHamster<PROTECTED>
23:17.07purlACTION watches werehamster pull the trigger:  Click!
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23:17.45Lunessacog|work: WIN
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23:21.34|Jelly|It's kinda funny ... I almost linked that, Cog. I just wanted to go with ... something being broken -> fixed. :P
23:21.52cog|work:)
23:24.36alestaneShirik: If my main function in a C++ program basically goes { return (new Class() )->someMethod(); }, will ~Class be called on that object when main exits?
23:25.28batrickI don't think so, but i could be wrong
23:25.29wereHamsterno, you don't delete the class
23:25.46wereHamsterIMO
23:25.59Corrodiastry it
23:26.10cncfanaticsgoing to bed
23:26.11cncfanaticsg'night peeps
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23:26.16Corrodiasin C++, i think the answer is a definite no
23:26.22wereHamsterin C# maybe, but in C++ you need to explicetely delete the objects
23:26.25Corrodiasbecause you have to manually "delete" things
23:26.34alestaneBut one can't just call { return Class().someMethod; }, right?
23:26.46wereHamsteronly of someMethod is static
23:27.01alestaneThat would be Class::someMethod().
23:27.20Corrodiasright
23:31.36batrickalestane: {class myc; return myc.someMethod(); }
23:31.49batrickits destructor should be called in thatc ase
23:32.08alestaneI'm trying to avoid that. It actually looks like {return Class().method(); } may work.
23:32.22Cairennbleeter: ping?
23:32.56Corrodiasi've never seen a call like that, "class myc;"
23:33.18wereHamsterbut you've seen 'int i;', right?
23:33.30alestaneI think it would usually be "ClassName myc();"
23:33.33Corrodiassorry, i misspoke
23:33.57Corrodiasi've never seen someone try to declare a class and then make a call to an undefined function in it
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23:34.23wereHamsterI think it was pretty clear what batrick meant...
23:34.52Corrodiasi'm not a very good programmer, so i missed it, then. sorry.
23:38.56Shirikalestane: No it will not
23:39.01Shiriksorry, I was trying to get a nap :)
23:39.24ShirikIf you instantiate an object dynamically, it's up to you to free it
23:39.26alestaneSo sorry then. You were just the last person I got solid C/C++ help from.
23:39.30Shirikit's ok :)
23:39.42Shirikbut your answer is no
23:40.23ShirikI do believe you can do Class().method() but I've never tried that before
23:40.28Shirikif you can do that, then ~Class() will be called
23:40.34alestaneMy compiler doesn't object to it.
23:40.56alestaneSo I'm hopeful.
23:41.07Shirikthough that kinda scares me
23:41.24Shirika smart compiler will know not to turn that into a tailcall
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23:41.34Shirika dumb compiler, I don't know what it's going to do
23:41.51alestaneI'm using gcc via XCode.
23:41.52Shirikbecause ~Class() has to be called before it can return, but it has to be called after method()
23:41.59Shirikgcc should be intelligent enough not to turn that into a tailcall
23:42.29alestaneBasically, I've always had this issue with classes that represent applications.
23:43.21wereHamsterwhy not 'Class c = new Class(); RetType ret = c.func(); delete c; return ret;' ?
23:43.40wereHamsterthat is what the compiler will have to translate the code to
23:43.53alestaneEither they inherit from a generic Application class, and you instantiate them with a dummy variable, or you have to find some way to make them instances of the Application class, and name the instance after your application.
23:44.17Shiriknot quite wereHamster :) They allocate the class in different places. But yes that would work as well... almost
23:44.22alestaneMostly, it's a conceptual purity thing.
23:44.25Shirikit would be Class* and c->func()
23:44.36Shirikhowever you run into the issue... what if func() throws an error?
23:44.45wereHamsterfor his case where the class is actually allocated doesn't matter
23:44.47Shirikthen you don't free the memory
23:46.27Shirikyou could always do something like
23:47.00ShirikClass* c = new Class(); try { RetType ret = c->func(); return ret; } catch(...) { delete c; throw; }
23:47.06Shirikbut now you're getting really ugly :)
23:47.18Shiriker, put a delete c; before that return too
23:47.40Shirikone thing I really wish C++ had is a finally statement, but you can get around it
23:48.20Shirikanyway alestane I think we've beaten your question to death :D
23:48.36ShirikI do think "return Class().func()" is your best choice
23:49.57alestane"From the point of view of exception handling, a destructor can be called in one of two ways: [1] Normal call: as the result of a normal exit from scope ($10.4.3), a delete ($10.4.5), etc.; [2] Call during exception handling: During stack unwinding ($14.4), the exception-handling mechanism exits a scope containing an object with a destructor." Stroustrup, p.373
23:50.32Shirikright, that's where you have the benefit of "return Class().func()"
23:50.48Shirikduring exception handling, in that case, ~Class() will be called. But in the dynamically allocated form, it won't be
23:52.09Shirikthe nice thing about "return Class().func()" is that everything is taken care of for you
23:52.26Shirikat the cost of losing the tailcall. that, imo, is a small price to pay
23:53.14alestaneActually, it's going to look like "int main (int argc, char* argv[]) {return Class()(argc, argv); }" but you get the idea.
23:53.31alestaneI usually prefer to inquire about more generic cases.
23:53.45alestaneWith an overloaded () operator.
23:53.59Shirikinteresting
23:54.03Shirikthat looks like Lua
23:54.03Shiriklol
23:54.18alestaneBasically an attempt to turn C++ into Java in that regard.
23:55.53alestaneTurns anything that might otherwise be global variables into instance variables of the application object.
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