| 00:00.32 | Arrowmaster | have you tried the 2408 yet? |
| 00:00.42 | Corrodias | i really wish i could get a nice widescreen CRT, but the only monitor people ever mention of that kind is an old Sony model long out of print |
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| 00:01.01 | Kirov | Corrodias - because people don't make CRTs any more |
| 00:01.12 | Kirov | It's basically dead technology |
| 00:01.18 | Corrodias | i haven't. it has arrived, but i was intending to basically leave it in the box until the A01 gets investigated |
| 00:01.23 | Kirov | (as far as consumer gear is concerned) |
| 00:01.34 | Lunessa | There is always time for beer. |
| 00:01.35 | Corrodias | if results are not favorable, i'm fine with returning it and seeking a different model |
| 00:01.59 | Corrodias | it's a sad thing, Kirov. i always liked it. :( |
| 00:02.19 | Kirov | Corrodias - CRT, ignoring the size issues, has always been superior technology. |
| 00:02.33 | Kirov | Which is why it's still a big thing for professional work. |
| 00:02.36 | Corrodias | size is, unfortunately, an issue, though. that sony one is like 95lb |
| 00:02.44 | Kirov | Yep |
| 00:02.57 | Kirov | Which is why CRT in the consumer arena has died. |
| 00:03.09 | Corrodias | even my little 21" CRT is as heavy as my steel-case computer |
| 00:03.15 | Corrodias | or nearly so |
| 00:03.42 | Kirov | my old 21" (18" viewable) monitor was 65lb, where as my 20" (20" viewable, yay standards) lcd is like 8lb |
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| 00:04.19 | Lunessa | size, weight, cost. I <3 flat-panel tech. |
| 00:04.45 | Arrowmaster | cheapass panels </3 |
| 00:05.05 | Corrodias | i'd put up with the weight (my table can take it, even if my back cannot) if i could get quality |
| 00:05.48 | Kirov | LCD does also have one big advantage over CRT when it comes to image clarity. Pixel density / pixel distinction |
| 00:06.42 | Lunessa | I would love more quality. I want a monitor that looks great even if I'm not wearing my glasses. I want display tech that is comfortable from all viewing angles and lighting conditions. But I also dream of world peace and delicious free beer. |
| 00:06.43 | Kirov | When LCDs were like 800x600 max res at 20" it was a problem, but now that they're 1920x1200 it's a win |
| 00:06.44 | Corrodias | if you keep your resolution to a reasonable level for the monitor in question, the pixels can be clear. can be. if it's big enough. |
| 00:07.48 | Kirov | Corrodias - but CRTs always had a low end size cut off for how small the pixels could actually be which LCD tech has since surpassed. |
| 00:08.11 | Kirov | at 18" viewable (like most 21" CRTs), the max possible res was less than 1600x1200 |
| 00:08.13 | Arrowmaster | im still waiting for a good IPS panel at a 1920x1200 native res with good inputs |
| 00:08.36 | Kirov | I'm waiting for SED / FED to actually take off. |
| 00:09.03 | Corrodias | the big thing that concerns me about the 2407wfp-hc is the lack of HDMI-in. it supports HDCP over DVI, but i wonder how well adapters work for that. |
| 00:09.05 | Kirov | If they can get past the fucking legal squabbles either could take over as the defacto standard |
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| 00:19.54 | Corrodias | my head is going to implode if i read anything further about monitors |
| 00:20.30 | foxlit | ~wikipedia LCD Monitor |
| 00:20.50 | Thunder_Child | ~lart foxlit |
| 00:20.50 | purl | calls foxlit on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 00:21.25 | Corrodias | GAH |
| 00:21.30 | foxlit | you've come too late, Thunder_Child; we've already imploded Corrodias' head. |
| 00:22.31 | Thunder_Child | so it seems |
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| 00:22.59 | Corrodias | i'd spend more if i could just gaurantee a fucking high-quality screen |
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| 00:24.30 | Corrodias | a 2408 may be $600 but i dare you to produce a "perfect" one for no more than twice as much |
| 00:28.12 | Prose | ive got a BenQ 241W 24" and its probly the best monitor ive purchased for its price |
| 00:31.31 | Codexius | Any mages here got decursive2 to work with polymorph turtle? I changed it in the english localization but it didnt change anything |
| 00:32.05 | Kaso | I really need a third monitor, i want something which can display 1080p in full |
| 00:34.36 | Codexius | anyone able to get decursive2 workin with polymorph turtle on MC'd allies |
| 00:36.35 | Ackis | "Unable to send chat to Äyla because your message contained reserved words." |
| 00:36.40 | Ackis | what's up w/ that btw? |
| 00:37.21 | Kaso | prob anti-gold spam stuff Ackis |
| 00:37.25 | Codexius | no mages here w/ decursive2? shucks |
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| 00:38.01 | Ackis | the message was: do you kow what he got in the goody bag? :P |
| 00:39.27 | Codexius | liek i changedl ocalization to say LOC.SPELL_POLYMORPH = 'Polymorph(Rank 1: Turtle)'; |
| 00:41.27 | Kaso | Codexius, as far as i can see Decursive should catch turtle polymorph like any other. What do you want it to do anyway? you're a mage you cant remove polymorph? |
| 00:41.42 | Codexius | when a friend is mc'd, decursive shows them as MC'd |
| 00:41.47 | Codexius | and mages can rightclick box to poly |
| 00:42.02 | Kaso | but you want it to cast turtle instead? |
| 00:42.05 | Codexius | :) |
| 00:42.18 | Kaso | Ah well then you're coming at it from the wrong perspective |
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| 00:42.31 | Codexius | every instance of cast poly calls LOC.SPELL_POLYMORPH |
| 00:42.46 | Codexius | which i made it be LOC.SPELL_POLYMORPH = 'Polymorph(Rank 1: Turtle)'; |
| 00:42.59 | Codexius | (only in english localization, but shouldnt matter) |
| 00:43.21 | Codexius | it never calls Polymrohp, just the loc.polymorph |
| 00:43.34 | Kaso | which file/line are you looking at? |
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| 00:44.03 | Codexius | localizarion.lua |
| 00:44.05 | Codexius | ation* |
| 00:44.14 | Codexius | sorry for the typos, in a tk raid atm |
| 00:44.21 | Kaso | I mean with your "<Codexius> every instance of cast poly calls LOC.SPELL_POLYMORPH " statement |
| 00:44.51 | Codexius | DCR_init.lua for example |
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| 00:45.03 | Codexius | doesnt say polymorph anywhere, just the localized polyrmoph spellname |
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| 00:45.30 | Kaso | you'll noticea |
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| 00:45.39 | Kaso | at line 936 is where the real business happens |
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| 00:45.48 | Codexius | keep getting dc'd from irc? |
| 00:45.59 | Kaso | who knows |
| 00:46.01 | Kaso | you'll notice |
| 00:46.04 | Kaso | at line 936 is where the real business happens |
| 00:46.08 | Kaso | that line defines the spellID of poly to cast |
| 00:46.30 | Codexius | of which file |
| 00:46.32 | Codexius | localization? |
| 00:46.38 | Kaso | DCR_init.lua |
| 00:46.44 | Codexius | that 3 digit number? |
| 00:46.55 | Kaso | [D.LOC.SPELL_POLYMORPH]= { 118, }, |
| 00:46.57 | Kaso | thats the line |
| 00:47.03 | Codexius | i dont know what that means, lol |
| 00:47.06 | Codexius | whats 118? |
| 00:47.10 | Codexius | not thespellid is it |
| 00:47.13 | Kaso | its the spellID yes |
| 00:47.23 | Kaso | 28271 is the spellID of turtle rank 1 |
| 00:47.40 | Codexius | let me give that a shot |
| 00:49.18 | Codexius | so what does the line in the localization do? |
| 00:50.13 | Codexius | what site provides the spell and item id's again? |
| 00:50.21 | Kaso | wowhead i use |
| 00:50.26 | Codexius | i tried thott and allakhazam but couldnt see em |
| 00:50.31 | Kaso | the spell/item id is in the url |
| 00:50.33 | Codexius | where on wowhead does it say an items id? |
| 00:50.37 | Codexius | oh snap! |
| 00:51.06 | Codexius | let me /rl and try the new init file |
| 00:51.20 | Codexius | think its the only file that needed changing? |
| 00:52.37 | Kaso | well, cant say for sure |
| 00:53.17 | Codexius | nope, rightclicking is giving me "polymorph failed: no ttarget" rather than "polymorph: turtle" failed |
| 00:54.05 | Kaso | ah i see |
| 00:55.04 | Kaso | Well thats not really an issue |
| 00:55.18 | Kaso | Polymorph Turtle's actual name is just "Polymorph" |
| 00:55.26 | Kaso | the turtle bit is just part of the rank |
| 00:55.49 | Codexius | so i cant tell if its workin yet :( |
| 00:55.55 | Codexius | gotta mc a friend, lol |
| 00:55.59 | Kaso | seems like |
| 00:56.09 | Kaso | find a priest, get friend and priest to duel, easy |
| 00:56.10 | Codexius | you gonna be on for a while? |
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| 00:56.30 | Kaso | I'll be around, shout me if you need some help |
| 00:56.43 | Codexius | <3 thanks a ton |
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| 01:08.26 | JoshBorke | hrmph. no kaelten |
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| 01:43.08 | Ku | Hey kids. |
| 01:43.41 | Lunessa | Hey you kids. Get off my lawn. |
| 01:43.52 | Ku | Got some questions for you. :P |
| 01:44.00 | Ku | I was working on an addon around version 2.1. |
| 01:44.14 | Ku | It's a simple thing that hooks the vendor window and lists recipes. |
| 01:44.22 | Ku | How much has changed between now and then? |
| 01:44.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Ku: for what you're doing? Probably nothing |
| 01:45.04 | Ku | Good. That's what I'd hoped. |
| 01:45.56 | Ku | I'll probably be pestering you in a while for help. :P |
| 01:46.09 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
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| 01:48.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Too late, already gone |
| 01:49.14 | Codexius | rock salt is only good against spirits |
| 01:49.16 | Codexius | sorry :( |
| 01:49.23 | Codexius | he resisted your shot |
| 01:51.16 | Lunessa | How can you explain shadows in the rain? |
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| 01:58.04 | Mike-N-Go | Do you not just love it when someone cries and calls yah names for taking a quest item that was on the ground? Just because they are fighting near it, does not mean it is theres. |
| 02:00.03 | |Jelly| | I camped a guy for two hours the other night for waiting for my roomie and I to clear to something before swooping in and taking the quest item while we're in combat. |
| 02:00.30 | |Jelly| | ...yes, he kept coming back |
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| 02:01.53 | Lunessa | *boggle* |
| 02:05.12 | Mike-N-Go | It is just mana cells. |
| 02:05.36 | Mike-N-Go | We were fighting our respective mobs over the 'em.. |
| 02:05.39 | Mike-N-Go | Besides. |
| 02:05.52 | Mike-N-Go | It is not yours until it is in your invtory. |
| 02:06.01 | Mike-N-Go | inventory* |
| 02:06.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Mike-N-Go: you're the kind of jackass that needs to die in a fire. |
| 02:06.35 | Lunessa | Meh, rude is still rude. But whatever makes you comfortable with your sense of self-worth. |
| 02:06.38 | Mike-N-Go | Do I not speak of game mechanics? |
| 02:06.53 | NightHawkTheSane | no, you speak of being a jerk, because you can't be bothered finding your own node |
| 02:07.07 | Mike-N-Go | Truly, it is not the person's until they harvest it. |
| 02:07.49 | Lunessa | So, you mine stuff, or pick herb that others are clearing? |
| 02:08.17 | NightHawkTheSane | they did ALL the work clearing hte mobs to get to it, and you think it's OKAY to just run up and take it? what kind of fucked up ethics is that? you're just using a technicality of the game environment to disguise the fact that you're an antisocial jerk. |
| 02:08.52 | Lunessa | So, if I'm mining a rich adamantite vein, you would whack at it too to get some while I'm waiitng for the server to loot me a piece of ore? |
| 02:09.05 | Corrodias | ~inflammatory subject~ |
| 02:09.12 | Lunessa | It's rude. That's all. |
| 02:09.13 | Mike-N-Go | It is allowed by the game mechanics, is it not? |
| 02:09.24 | NightHawkTheSane | allowed is not ethically or morally right |
| 02:09.33 | Lunessa | Basically you're saying to the other player - Fuck you. I got it. |
| 02:09.35 | NightHawkTheSane | the game mechanics of life let me stab people, that doesnt make it right. |
| 02:10.09 | Mike-N-Go | Since when did I say I did this on a normal basis? |
| 02:10.22 | NightHawkTheSane | does it matter? doing it on any basis is essentially the same |
| 02:10.35 | NightHawkTheSane | "i only murdered that one guy, that one time, i dont always do it, so its okay!" |
| 02:10.56 | sacarasc | that's how i beat my murder charge |
| 02:11.10 | Mike-N-Go | I happened to pick a node this day that was near where another person was node-hunting too. He got mad. |
| 02:11.39 | Lunessa | *nod* That happens. If you make a habit of it, it's bad. :P If it happens, don't sweat it. |
| 02:12.30 | Mike-N-Go | All I was saying prior was that the act of taking some node in any place is allowable by the game mechanics, that is all. |
| 02:14.17 | Lunessa | Once, I zoomed in to an ore node. No one was around - at least on my screen. While I'm mining someone else called me a jerk for ninjaing it. That happens and shouldn't bother you. Meh. But if you make a habit of it - like waiting until mobs engage someone else - well, that's bad. |
| 02:14.45 | sacarasc | but it's profitable |
| 02:15.14 | Mike-N-Go | Well, if one is trying to innocence others.. your way works, Lunessa. |
| 02:15.27 | Corrodias | innocence is not a verb |
| 02:15.37 | Lunessa | ... do you mean incense? |
| 02:16.18 | Mike-N-Go | I cannot spell. |
| 02:17.56 | Mike-N-Go | What I was trying to say with my original comment, was how upset some may get just because you took a node they had near their eye. |
| 02:18.22 | Mike-N-Go | And to call one names due to a node or two.. |
| 02:19.02 | NightHawkTheSane | if they're literally on top of it, then you're wrong. period. if they're not, you're probably still being VERY rude, but they should have moved on top of it too. |
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| 02:21.25 | Lunessa | I hate picking up the mana cells if someone waits for the wyrms to attack me and then grabs the cells while I'm in combat. |
| 02:21.54 | sacarasc | just take down the wyrms quicker |
| 02:22.20 | NightHawkTheSane | if they're literally waiting right there for you to agro them, that's not actually possible unless you can CC them somehow |
| 02:22.29 | Mike-N-Go | Rather. |
| 02:23.00 | Mike-N-Go | If you are a pet class, or have shaman Stoneclaw totems, if it means that much to you, use them to distract the wyrm, and grab the node ASAP. |
| 02:23.43 | sacarasc | or rogue aggros, when they go for it vanish and watch them take the fight |
| 02:23.43 | Mike-N-Go | The AOE they do does not affect gathering. |
| 02:23.45 | NightHawkTheSane | not every class has a repeatable means to do that, though, so you cant just assume that if someone could they would have |
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| 03:40.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, yes, Mother Shahraz |
| 03:41.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing quite like the classic hunter deciding to cross over you to drop fatal attraction |
| 03:41.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmmm, death |
| 03:41.57 | Arrowmaster | replace your hunters with shadowstep rogues |
| 03:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:42.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I like that idea |
| 03:42.12 | ScytheBlade1 | s/shadowstep rogues// even |
| 03:42.44 | Arrowmaster | although having 2 shadowstep rogues that both get fatal attraction could be bad |
| 03:42.50 | Arrowmaster | if their stupid |
| 03:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that'd qualify as "very bad" |
| 03:43.29 | Arrowmaster | timing would probably have to be perty exact though to fuck it up |
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| 04:35.02 | Thunder_Child | will wc3 work on vista-64? |
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| 04:51.30 | NightHawkTheSane | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/06/gallery-of-cut.html |
| 04:51.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Gallery of sawn-in-half cameras |
| 04:51.44 | NightHawkTheSane | the lenses are really interesting |
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| 05:03.10 | DARKGuy | Omigosh, this vid is the lulz, really worth seeing xD -> http://youtube.com/watch?v=d1hF2E1-Inw |
| 05:10.16 | ScytheBlade1 | old, linked it last night |
| 05:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Err, no, but it's close |
| 05:11.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I lied, I thought that was the exclusive D3 trailer =[ |
| 05:11.02 | DARKGuy | it's still fun xD |
| 05:11.08 | ScytheBlade1 | The link is pretty close :( |
| 05:11.12 | DARKGuy | Haha |
| 05:11.20 | DARKGuy | I fell for it |
| 05:11.21 | DARKGuy | :( |
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| 05:26.32 | Mitranim | What is TL:DR crowd? |
| 05:27.45 | Guillotin1 | too long, didn't read |
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| 05:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I should stop raiding |
| 05:29.08 | ScytheBlade1 | It's driven me emo to the point of listening to Linkin Park |
| 05:29.13 | kd3 | rofl |
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| 05:43.34 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/WoW/2.4/howtonotsuckatfatalattraction.png |
| 05:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | imo |
| 05:44.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll never understand why it's hard to "move away from two other people" |
| 05:44.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll also never understand why people continue not just to follow someone else, but to walk along side them for ~80 yards |
| 05:45.00 | ScytheBlade1 | (How they lived, well, I couldn't tell you) |
| 05:45.20 | vithos | i don't get that picture. |
| 05:47.43 | vithos | it doesn't say how 3 different people are supposed to pick those directions and have them be unique |
| 05:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | What are the chances that all three people will both pick the exact exact same direction at the exact same time and further have the exact same latency and placement by the teleport? |
| 05:48.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Riiiiight around zero |
| 05:48.53 | vithos | about 4% |
| 05:49.15 | vithos | er wait |
| 05:50.16 | vithos | trying to remember how combinatorics work :/ |
| 05:50.56 | vithos | it's always going to be the exact same time |
| 05:51.05 | vithos | and location |
| 05:51.15 | vithos | and latency is only an issue in choosing when to change directions, not initial direction selection |
| 05:51.35 | vithos | but when i get teleported, i never know where the fuck i am |
| 05:51.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, and I suspect that's part of the problem |
| 05:51.49 | vithos | i just start moving and try to diverge from other people's paths a second later |
| 05:51.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise, JUST START RUNNING. Bam, problems solved. |
| 05:53.08 | vithos | we tried doing something where the last person listed by the raidwarning would stay still |
| 05:53.16 | vithos | but it never worked better than just intuition |
| 05:53.17 | ScytheBlade1 | That was mentioned |
| 05:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Then we got ported on top of the tanks |
| 05:53.27 | ScytheBlade1 | "Whoops" |
| 05:54.03 | vithos | the thing i hated about that fight was getting ported into a couch |
| 05:55.14 | vithos | and if you get ported next to a group, the group needs to move as well |
| 05:57.06 | ScytheBlade1 | The single biggest problem, we've actually just outlined |
| 05:57.30 | ScytheBlade1 | People overthink and overanalyze the following simple statement: "run away from the other two people" |
| 05:57.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Nearly EVERYTHING else is entirely irrelevant |
| 05:57.53 | vithos | the biggest problem we had was people choosing the same direction, and due to latency neither try to diverge |
| 05:57.58 | vithos | becaues they both think the other is chasing them |
| 05:58.04 | vithos | because that's what it looks like on their screens |
| 05:58.06 | ScytheBlade1 | See, when being chased |
| 05:58.12 | ScytheBlade1 | For that reason, due to lag |
| 05:58.20 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't keep running that same direction |
| 05:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | You split off left or right relative to the other player |
| 05:58.32 | vithos | but the solution is to always try to diverge, not just if you think you're the "wrong" one |
| 05:58.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "run away from the other two people" still applies |
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| 06:18.06 | Mikk | Yeah. You'll get the odd oops or two - it's pretty much inevitable. |
| 06:18.14 | Mikk | But hey, there's battlerez, and you don't need 25 to kill her. |
| 06:24.37 | Fisker- | hey Mikk |
| 06:25.18 | Mikk | gmorning |
| 06:25.35 | Fisker- | i'll destroy you btw |
| 06:25.56 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-, you promise but never deliver |
| 06:26.05 | Fisker- | i'll destroy you |
| 06:27.35 | Thunder_Child | sure sure |
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| 06:48.51 | Fisker- | die Thunder_Child |
| 06:49.20 | Thunder_Child | it would mean more if you didnt do it all the time Fisker- |
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| 07:44.18 | Mike-N-Go | ~Netskip |
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| 07:45.57 | Sixen | Dont' everyone talk at once. |
| 07:47.37 | Kalroth | Sorry :( |
| 07:47.54 | Sixen | =p |
| 07:49.58 | Kalroth | æd asfalt |
| 07:50.50 | Fisker- | jeg æder din mor |
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| 07:59.45 | Mitranim | What are Ace libraries and LibStubs used for? |
| 08:00.07 | Mikk | They contain common functionality used by lots of addons |
| 08:00.36 | Mikk | When addons use them rather than re-implementing the same functionality themselves, it always saves you memory, and sometimes also CPU power |
| 08:01.50 | Mitranim | But why every addon creates its "own" library with Ace and what does it contain? |
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| 08:02.23 | Mitranim | I mean "LibStub:NewLibrary(...........)" |
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| 08:04.40 | Mitranim | Any suggestions? |
| 08:05.07 | cnc|work | hello ppl |
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| 08:06.14 | clad|sleep | Mitranim: all that function does is return a new table, or the existing table if that library is already registered |
| 08:06.15 | clad|sleep | quite literally |
| 08:06.59 | Mitranim | What does contain this table? All variables for a given addon? |
| 08:07.04 | cladhaire | no |
| 08:07.06 | cladhaire | its just a table. |
| 08:07.10 | cladhaire | and you're confusing addons and libraries. |
| 08:07.16 | cladhaire | lets NOT talk about ace |
| 08:07.21 | cladhaire | since that's not what's relevant here |
| 08:07.38 | Snago | I thought it returned nil if it already had a newer or the same version of the lib |
| 08:07.43 | cladhaire | Snago: it does\ |
| 08:07.52 | cladhaire | LibStub is a very simple way to "register" a library so other people can then look up that library |
| 08:08.27 | Fisker- | gb2paris |
| 08:08.37 | Mitranim | So LibStub is like a convention? |
| 08:08.38 | cladhaire | it provides :NewLibrary() as a way to say, "I want to register a library with this major and minor version. If there is already a more recent version, then give me back nil, otherwise give me back a table so I can create my library within the table |
| 08:08.42 | Fisker- | you hurted my eFeelings |
| 08:10.11 | Mitranim | So if there are no more recent library then it returns a table? |
| 08:10.19 | cladhaire | correct |
| 08:10.29 | cladhaire | that table is empty if there is no pre-existing library with the same major version |
| 08:10.30 | Fisker- | btw cladhaire get to ask any questions at wwi? |
| 08:10.38 | cladhaire | otherwise its the library that already exists |
| 08:10.50 | cladhaire | Fisker-: wasn't much I wanted to ask there wasn't much that was covered =/ |
| 08:11.29 | Fisker- | should've asked about system requirements |
| 08:11.34 | Fisker- | and if they'd port it to consoles |
| 08:11.36 | cladhaire | it was asked. |
| 08:11.43 | cladhaire | "it"? |
| 08:11.49 | Fisker- | we needed more repetitions of that question |
| 08:11.52 | Fisker- | the game in question |
| 08:12.01 | cladhaire | lol |
| 08:12.15 | Mitranim | I'm currently looking at the file LibStub.lua (from the recent Ampere archive). I see that LibStub:NewLibrary is calling to some self.minors[major], self.libs[major] values. But where do self.minors and self.libs come from? |
| 08:12.16 | Fisker- | also |
| 08:12.23 | Fisker- | 4 times "Will there be secrets/cow level" |
| 08:12.27 | Fisker- | or was it 3 |
| 08:12.28 | Fisker- | can't remember |
| 08:12.42 | cladhaire | Mitranim: It seems you dont' understand Lua very well, so I would suggest you start there |
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| 08:12.50 | cladhaire | rather than trying to jump into something extremely high level and complex |
| 08:13.09 | Fisker- | It's "LUA" |
| 08:13.14 | Fisker- | Lua uh.. Acronym? |
| 08:13.24 | Fisker- | you see? |
| 08:13.29 | Fisker- | <-me's smart like Gnu |
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| 08:13.34 | Fisker- | or GNU actually |
| 08:14.31 | Mitranim | Ah, I see; .minors and .libs are being created a few lines above. |
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| 08:15.18 | Mitranim | Tables inside a table. |
| 08:15.23 | cladhaire | Mitranim: yes, they're just variables |
| 08:16.08 | Mitranim | I just missed them in code and thought they come from another file. |
| 08:16.32 | cladhaire | LibStub is just 60 lines of code, there is no other file :P |
| 08:16.37 | cladhaire | and its completely self-contained |
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| 08:18.45 | Snago | Hehe, or 8 lines, depending on what version you have ;) |
| 08:18.50 | cladhaire | :P |
| 08:19.36 | Mitranim | But then again, what are these libraries being used for? |
| 08:19.49 | cladhaire | LibStub doesn't care |
| 08:19.50 | Hapnintwo | Hi |
| 08:19.52 | cladhaire | and thats up to the library |
| 08:20.17 | Snago | There's libraries for almost anything :P |
| 08:20.54 | cladhaire | LibStub just provides a standardized way to register libraries with some global system, so they can easily be queried, retrieved, and registered. |
| 08:20.56 | Snago | From GUI creation to target health estimation |
| 08:21.13 | Mitranim | But there's only one library for one addon? |
| 08:21.33 | Snago | Addons use as many or as few libs as it wants |
| 08:21.33 | cladhaire | libraries have nothing to do with addons |
| 08:21.39 | cladhaire | libraries are libraries |
| 08:21.44 | cladhaire | and addons can use librarikes |
| 08:22.08 | Mitranim | I mean... how many libraries addons usually create with this? |
| 08:22.35 | cladhaire | addons don't create libraries. |
| 08:22.36 | cladhaire | here |
| 08:22.37 | cladhaire | example |
| 08:23.12 | cladhaire | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/LibMobHealth-4.0/LibMobHealth-4.0.lua |
| 08:23.22 | cladhaire | This library tracks and provides mob health estimations |
| 08:23.45 | cladhaire | when an addon wants to use that feature, they include LibMobHealth |
| 08:23.50 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.08 | cladhaire | good morning by the way :P |
| 08:24.21 | Mitranim | It's 12.24 on my clock :P |
| 08:24.26 | cladhaire | ~ugt |
| 08:24.27 | purl | well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 08:24.31 | cladhaire | your clock doesn't matter |
| 08:24.56 | Mitranim | Huh. Very well then. :-) Good morning everyone! |
| 08:25.05 | Snago | Good morning :) |
| 08:25.21 | Thunder_Child | i think you rather missed the point |
| 08:25.59 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Fisker- |
| 08:25.59 | purl | explains, ever so gently, that if Fisker- doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 08:26.38 | Elkano | cladhaire, mind writing a lib to allow persistant synced data inside a guild? ;) |
| 08:26.47 | cladhaire | yes |
| 08:26.51 | cladhaire | writing one pre-3.0 would be silly |
| 08:26.52 | cladhaire | :P |
| 08:26.56 | cladhaire | but after that not terrible. |
| 08:27.14 | cnc|work | what are they implementing in 3.0 for it ? |
| 08:27.21 | batrick | ^ |
| 08:27.24 | cladhaire | nothing |
| 08:27.29 | cladhaire | but you don't know what they're going to be changing |
| 08:27.33 | cladhaire | they could change the motd limit |
| 08:27.38 | cladhaire | or the size of guild notes |
| 08:27.45 | Mitranim | There's a plenty of time before 3.0 |
| 08:27.50 | cladhaire | yes, so? |
| 08:28.08 | Mitranim | Hmm, you could write something and use it for half a year or so. |
| 08:28.27 | Elkano | but besides using these serverside storage spaces for at least a little bit of data there is no way, is there? |
| 08:28.35 | krka | i'll not be writing anything new before wow 5.0 |
| 08:28.39 | cladhaire | not without having server date information |
| 08:28.42 | cladhaire | err |
| 08:28.43 | cladhaire | server time |
| 08:28.43 | krka | anything could change! |
| 08:28.45 | cladhaire | which we don't have |
| 08:29.05 | cladhaire | unless your data doesn't need to be 'secure' in any way |
| 08:29.06 | Elkano | you have server time but not date I think |
| 08:29.14 | cladhaire | yeah, thats what i meant :P |
| 08:29.19 | Mitranim | But then again, anything would completely change when 4.0 or 9.3 comes out. Why not wait until then? |
| 08:29.32 | nevcairiel | they should just provide server time as a unix timestamp *shrug :P |
| 08:29.43 | cladhaire | Mitranim: i see you're new to this |
| 08:30.01 | Mitranim | Yeah, I am. :-) |
| 08:30.12 | cladhaire | actually not much will change in 3.0 |
| 08:30.30 | cladhaire | but for something like that, your best chance of it being adopted guildwide is at 3.0 |
| 08:30.38 | cladhaire | so while you could work on the proof of concept not |
| 08:30.40 | cladhaire | see (EPGP) |
| 08:30.55 | cladhaire | best time to get it done is 3.0 |
| 08:30.55 | Elkano | yeah, the biggest change in 2.0 was the scure stuff but there isn't such a big problem currently I think |
| 08:30.58 | Mitranim | See it where? |
| 08:31.04 | cladhaire | ~google EPGP |
| 08:31.22 | cladhaire | http://code.google.com/p/epgp/ |
| 08:31.29 | cladhaire | that's how epgp stores its data |
| 08:31.45 | Fisker- | raep? |
| 08:32.13 | cladhaire | at least that is how they used to do it |
| 08:32.24 | Mitranim | Google says a silly thing: "addon stores information in game". |
| 08:32.41 | Mitranim | What does it mean "in game"? Where actually? |
| 08:32.50 | cladhaire | where we just said |
| 08:33.00 | cladhaire | i just listed the two places you can store persistent guild data. |
| 08:33.05 | cladhaire | three |
| 08:33.13 | cladhaire | motd, public notes, and officer notes. |
| 08:33.20 | Elkano | GuildCalender does do sth similar, too I think |
| 08:33.51 | Mitranim | So if there are only three places where does EPGP store its data? |
| 08:34.13 | cladhaire | read the code and find out |
| 08:34.16 | Mitranim | I always believed it's on guild members computers. |
| 08:34.22 | cladhaire | it doesn't. |
| 08:34.32 | cladhaire | you should buy my book |
| 08:34.36 | cladhaire | it would cover most of these questions |
| 08:34.41 | cladhaire | including libStub actually |
| 08:34.41 | cladhaire | BUT |
| 08:34.47 | Mitranim | I live in Russia so it's doubtful I can. |
| 08:35.15 | Elkano | cladhaire, I think if I would have come to WWI I would have bought it only in order to have it signed by you ;) |
| 08:35.26 | cladhaire | hehe :P |
| 08:35.43 | cladhaire | Mitranim: as far as I know amazon.co.uk will ship to russia without any issues |
| 08:36.02 | cladhaire | addons can store data in two places currently (not entirely accurate but it doesn't matter for these purposes) |
| 08:36.07 | cladhaire | one is in saved variables on the users computer |
| 08:36.09 | cladhaire | this works for most things |
| 08:36.20 | cladhaire | however, EPGP is a guild points system so it needs to be stored in a central way |
| 08:36.37 | cladhaire | it abuses the officer notes in the guild interface to store the information |
| 08:37.03 | cladhaire | ~wowprogramming |
| 08:37.03 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons (http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob) a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
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| 08:37.10 | cladhaire | Mitranim: see what purl just said |
| 08:38.52 | Elkano | maybe I should look into P2P designs if there is some system around that could work in WoW |
| 08:39.13 | cladhaire | there is a document based db system that might work |
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| 08:42.30 | cnc|work | anyone know a web based ftp client ? |
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| 08:53.40 | Kalroth | google is hard |
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| 08:54.59 | Snago | If I call frame:Show() on a frame already shown, will its OnShow get called? |
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| 08:59.10 | cladhaire | Snago: no, afaik but you can test in game eaisly :P |
| 08:59.39 | cnc|work | hmmm, luadoc requires the module function to be defined |
| 08:59.43 | cnc|work | it ain't in wowlua : |
| 08:59.53 | cnc|work | would any mind if I declared an empty function called module ? |
| 08:59.56 | cladhaire | why isn't module defined in wowlua? |
| 09:00.08 | cnc|work | no idea |
| 09:00.11 | cladhaire | more specifically, which wowlua are you talking about |
| 09:00.21 | cnc|work | World of Warcraft's lua API |
| 09:00.29 | cnc|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.32 | cladhaire | yes |
| 09:00.33 | cladhaire | it should be |
| 09:00.36 | cladhaire | the package system isn't there. |
| 09:00.56 | cladhaire | Snago: confirmed, it doesn't fire. |
| 09:01.07 | Snago | cladhaire: thank you :) |
| 09:01.07 | cladhaire | cnc|work: and why do you need luadoc in game? |
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| 09:02.22 | cnc|work | I don't need luadoc ingame |
| 09:02.27 | cnc|work | I need luadoc to documentate my project :p |
| 09:02.29 | Snago | What's the difference between frame:IsShown() and frame:IsVisible()? |
| 09:02.30 | cladhaire | then consider me confused |
| 09:02.41 | cnc|work | and for modules I'd like to have used the module "name" function |
| 09:02.48 | cnc|work | as luadoc categorizes that automaticly |
| 09:03.04 | cladhaire | Snago: the first tells you the show/hide state of the frame, the second tells you if the frame should be visible on scren if placed within the boundries |
| 09:03.14 | cladhaire | i.e. if the frame, and all of its parent frames are shown |
| 09:03.28 | cladhaire | cnc|work: No, you should not add the module noop to the ui |
| 09:03.29 | cnc|work | Ok, I want to use luadoc to generate documentation for my addon |
| 09:03.31 | Snago | cladhaire: aha, thanks again :) |
| 09:03.32 | cladhaire | okay |
| 09:03.40 | cnc|work | the addon has multiple modules |
| 09:03.40 | nevcairiel | cnc|work: so use a standalone lua? |
| 09:03.44 | cladhaire | cnc|work: okay, what on earth does that have to do with wow? |
| 09:03.54 | cladhaire | you're saying you want to include a module("foo") liune in your addon |
| 09:03.56 | cladhaire | so the docs are pretty? |
| 09:03.59 | cnc|work | yes |
| 09:04.02 | cladhaire | then |
| 09:04.09 | cladhaire | local module = function() end |
| 09:04.12 | cladhaire | module("foo") |
| 09:04.13 | cladhaire | module = nil |
| 09:04.17 | cladhaire | ugly |
| 09:04.23 | cladhaire | or specify the module on the commandline |
| 09:04.25 | cladhaire | which i believe you can do |
| 09:04.30 | cnc|work | hmmm, that'd do |
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| 09:29.00 | Mitranim | Good night everyone! |
| 09:41.42 | cnc|work | anyone, what time is it in the US atm ? :p |
| 09:41.55 | Rabbitbunny | 4:41am Central |
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| 10:11.46 | cnc|work | ty Rabbitbunny |
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| 10:25.02 | Rabbitbunny | http://xkcd.com/443/ |
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| 10:36.26 | Rabbitbunny | Can I have a function return two things? |
| 10:36.55 | Fisker- | you can consider yourself destroyed TC-Away |
| 10:37.06 | Rabbitbunny | 'return true, price'? then somehow test for true and do math with price? |
| 10:37.16 | Snago | Rabbitbunny: yepp.. |
| 10:38.41 | Snago | or you could just return price and check if not price then return end before you do math on it |
| 10:39.44 | Rabbitbunny | ...that does sound a lot better. |
| 10:39.52 | Rabbitbunny | Thanks. |
| 10:42.35 | Snago | I'm writing a UnitFrame addon and I want a name less lame than SnagoUF or sUF. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 10:43.22 | _rane | snuff |
| 10:43.44 | Snago | Not bad :) |
| 10:49.24 | cnc|work | snuff souns good tbh |
| 10:50.31 | cnc|work | s/souns/sounds/ |
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| 10:57.27 | Snago | Snuff it is then :) |
| 10:58.02 | Fisker- | http://www.newsday.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=2637911 <-wtf that's probably the most sick thing i've ever seen :o |
| 10:59.51 | _rane | niggas stole my groceries |
| 11:00.01 | Fisker- | also your mother |
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| 11:39.52 | Hapnintwo | Fisker: nice vid, is that fake or real? I dont know manners of american childs, we have just gypsies |
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| 11:51.11 | Fisker- | Hapnintwo real :o |
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| 12:08.16 | cnc|work | ~whereis Wraithan1 |
| 12:08.35 | cnc|work | where's purl ? |
| 12:08.38 | cnc|work | :o |
| 12:10.54 | Snago | ~whereis purl |
| 12:11.06 | Snago | :( |
| 12:11.17 | cnc|work | ~slap purl |
| 12:11.18 | purl | ACTION slaps purl, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 12:11.25 | cnc|work | hmmm, whereis is wrong |
| 12:11.29 | cnc|work | what was that command again ? : |
| 12:11.44 | Snago | you meant ~seen? |
| 12:12.09 | cnc|work | ~seen Wraithan1 |
| 12:12.10 | purl | wraithan1 is currently on #wowuidev (1d 7h 33m 21s) #wowace (1d 7h 33m 21s). Has said a total of 32 messages. Is idling for 6h 19m 49s, last said: 'bah FB2 has effed up tooltips =('. |
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| 12:20.57 | cnc|work | ~seen purl |
| 12:20.58 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (3d 14h 40m 7s) #botpark (3d 14h 40m 7s) #linuxfund (3d 14h 40m 7s) #edev (3d 14h 40m 7s) #fossfund (3d 14h 40m 7s) #hosernet (3d 14h 40m 7s) #norganna (3d 14h 40m 7s) #ud (3d 14h 40m 7s) ##kierra (3d 14h 40m 7s) #dub (3d 14h 40m 7s) #teleconf (3d 14h 40m 7s) #openezx (3d 14h 40m 7s) #pegasos.org (3d 14h 40m 7s) ... |
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| 12:29.55 | cnc|work | why is everyone so silent ? |
| 12:33.19 | Hapnintwo | Because no one is talking about lua :) |
| 12:33.33 | cnc|work | well, meh, I'm activating credit cards |
| 12:34.01 | wereHamster | LUA |
| 12:34.16 | krka | wereHamster: LUA, what's that? Did you mean to say Lua? |
| 12:36.41 | Kalroth | krka: Stop playing dumb, you know it's LUA |
| 12:38.06 | Kalroth | When googling for "Lua", you get |
| 12:38.08 | Kalroth | Did you mean: LUA |
| 12:38.16 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, yo |
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| 12:38.56 | cnc|work | Kalroth: lies |
| 12:38.58 | cnc|work | I just tried |
| 12:39.26 | Kalroth | Shh, krka is too lazy to test it himself, so he'll have no option but to believe me. |
| 12:39.29 | hiflyer1 | Kalroth is just doing what he does best, being an ass :) |
| 12:39.51 | Kalroth | :( |
| 12:40.14 | Kalroth | I was trying to trashtalk krka, you of all people should appriciate that, hiflyer1 |
| 12:40.30 | hiflyer1 | I didn't say you can't do other things too, it's just that you excel at being an ass ;) |
| 12:40.43 | krka | cnc|work, hiflyer: what did kalroth say now? |
| 12:41.05 | Kalroth | Don't tell him! |
| 12:41.22 | hiflyer | krka: umm...nothing |
| 12:41.46 | krka | 14:38:56 <cnc|work> Kalroth: lies |
| 12:41.50 | krka | 14:39:29 <hiflyer1> Kalroth is just doing what he does best, being an ass :) |
| 12:45.16 | Josh_Borke | LUA |
| 12:45.21 | Josh_Borke | :D |
| 12:45.26 | krka | Josh_Borke: Dude, it's not an acronym! |
| 12:45.42 | Josh_Borke | oooo, mixing it up! |
| 12:46.07 | cnc|work | krka: you're not *that* much better though |
| 12:48.28 | OniOnXXL | ok, I'm a total noob at the xml coding; I've hacked an Auction House addon to filter results given a few settings, what are good sources to explain how to add a frame that pops-up if you have the Browse-tab of the AH selected with those settings? |
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| 12:49.23 | cnc|work | OniOnXXL: if you don't like xml, you can do everything directly in lua |
| 12:49.43 | cnc|work | I'd have no idea of how to do it though, I never messed with the auction house |
| 12:49.52 | OniOnXXL | well it's not that I don't like xml :) it's just that I have no idea where to start |
| 12:50.46 | cnc|work | do you know how the frame system works ? |
| 12:50.50 | OniOnXXL | just displaying a frame all the time with a few input boxes and numbers in those tied to variables in lua would already be way over my head |
| 12:51.08 | OniOnXXL | I have an idea of how it works |
| 12:51.39 | OniOnXXL | I've worked with Java Panels etc. |
| 12:51.57 | OniOnXXL | but the whole Event-driven programming is pretty new to me |
| 12:53.31 | cnc|work | want me to explain it ? |
| 12:53.35 | cnc|work | shld give you a place where to start |
| 12:55.23 | OniOnXXL | well, a place to start to read up would be nicer I think, don't want to bug you too much |
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| 12:57.50 | cnc|work | I'm bored at work so |
| 12:57.54 | cnc|work | more then enough time really |
| 12:57.58 | cnc|work | but I'll link you to wowwiki :) |
| 12:58.40 | cnc|work | OniOnXXL: http://www.wowwiki.com/Frame |
| 12:59.14 | OniOnXXL | I'll get to it, thanks |
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| 13:07.52 | klip | any1 knows addon which make statistics of win:loose (+bonus honor) for each bg played so I can see what time and day of week is alliance/horde stronger and how much honor I get? :) |
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| 13:16.17 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: sup |
| 13:16.49 | Fisker- | foiled cladhaire |
| 13:16.59 | cladhaire | orly? |
| 13:17.06 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 13:17.09 | Fisker- | i was using "nick hax" |
| 13:17.22 | Fisker- | a very hard feat to be able to do indeed |
| 13:17.23 | cladhaire | k |
| 13:17.55 | Fisker- | just like i url-haxed myself to the master.css file with the D3 announcement |
| 13:18.01 | Fisker- | that's some grade-a haxing right there |
| 13:18.06 | cladhaire | urleet |
| 13:18.11 | cladhaire | i have pics |
| 13:19.21 | Kirkburn | er |
| 13:19.57 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, I did, y'know, ping him. |
| 13:20.02 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 13:20.06 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 13:20.22 | Fisker- | nah |
| 13:20.26 | Fisker- | you "yo'ed" him |
| 13:20.31 | Fisker- | foiled again |
| 13:20.44 | cladhaire | and thats what i responded to |
| 13:20.49 | cladhaire | hence with "sup" not "pong" :P |
| 13:21.08 | Josh_Borke | morning clad |
| 13:21.13 | Fisker- | [15:19:51] <Kirkburn> Fisker-, I did, y'know, ping him. |
| 13:21.15 | Fisker- | mwuhahahha |
| 13:21.23 | Lopeppeppy | You guys are too weird first thing in the morning. Semantics suck. |
| 13:21.24 | cladhaire | morning jb |
| 13:21.32 | krka | sup is a strong alcoholic beverage, except if you prepend "kall", then it's an unwanted intake of sea water |
| 13:21.36 | Kirkburn | Lopeppeppy, no ... just Fisker- :) |
| 13:22.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that's okay then, Kirkburn |
| 13:23.27 | Fisker- | i'm not weird |
| 13:23.46 | Kirkburn | ........ |
| 13:23.54 | Lopeppeppy | So you say |
| 13:26.01 | cladhaire | penis. |
| 13:26.36 | cladhaire | so who wants to write my 100 word abstract for the talk I'm doing at the Lua Workshop next week |
| 13:26.55 | wereHamster | ("Lua"):rep(100) |
| 13:27.21 | wereHamster | ah crap, that would be one word :( |
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| 13:27.43 | phyber | Your 100 word abstract should be composed of 100 abstract words. |
| 13:27.59 | krka | cladhaire: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/ |
| 13:28.29 | cladhaire | :P |
| 13:29.42 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: he's out of the office until the 7th, we'll see if he responds before then |
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| 13:30.30 | cladhaire | ohai sioraiocht |
| 13:30.37 | sioraiocht | ohai 2 u |
| 13:30.41 | sioraiocht | brb, actually... |
| 13:30.59 | Kirkburn | Damn those unpronouncably named people.... |
| 13:31.13 | krka | yes, we hates tem |
| 13:31.15 | krka | *them |
| 13:31.24 | Kirkburn | Poor Tem |
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| 13:46.05 | sioraiocht | scp hates me |
| 13:49.30 | sioraiocht | boo, where did clad|away go |
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| 13:50.56 | Lopeppeppy | Usually to bed around this time of morning, IIRC... |
| 13:51.17 | cnc|work | ain't clad in the EU ? |
| 13:51.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. |
| 13:52.16 | sioraiocht | umm |
| 13:52.19 | sioraiocht | i'm in the EU too |
| 13:52.22 | sioraiocht | and it's 3pm BST |
| 13:52.49 | Fisker- | moar like 2:52 |
| 13:55.37 | Kirkburn | sioraiocht, go UK :) |
| 13:55.52 | cnc|work | 2:52 GMT |
| 13:56.23 | Kirkburn | BST and GMT are different |
| 13:56.44 | Kirkburn | Well, in name, anyway |
| 13:57.05 | sioraiocht | yeah, and it's actually 2:52 BST ;) |
| 13:57.07 | sioraiocht | heya Kirkburn |
| 13:57.12 | sioraiocht | yay, clad is teh back |
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| 16:06.18 | Cairenn|afk | sioraiocht: it'd be lovely :) |
| 16:06.25 | sioraiocht | heheh okay |
| 16:06.33 | Cairenn|afk | thank you :) |
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| 16:24.09 | Anaral | Anyone know why all my folders keep on opening the command line instead of the contents on double click? And how do I revert it back? |
| 16:25.56 | streina_ | question... |
| 16:26.15 | wereHamster | answer... |
| 16:26.23 | streina_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.27 | streina_ | Sorry... |
| 16:26.33 | streina_ | keyboard rpolem |
| 16:26.37 | streina_ | problem |
| 16:26.41 | streina_ | that is... |
| 16:27.00 | Mikk | irc |
| 16:27.01 | Mikk | allows |
| 16:27.05 | Mikk | several words per line :) |
| 16:27.15 | streina_ | If I cahanged over to BCrusade,...would I loossee my MACROS?> |
| 16:27.21 | Mikk | no |
| 16:27.37 | Mikk | purchasing burning crusade only unlocks new content |
| 16:27.40 | Mikk | it's the same game client |
| 16:28.17 | Mikk | macros, addons, windows settings, what have you, remains the same |
| 16:28.29 | streina_ | okay...then: ....Well... |
| 16:28.55 | streina_ | If I REMOVED an addon, would it REMOVE a MACRO, as well? |
| 16:29.50 | ckknight | no |
| 16:30.14 | cog|work | unless the macro was created specifically within said addon |
| 16:30.20 | cog|work | e.g. TrinityBars |
| 16:30.40 | cog|work | but as long as you're using built-in macros, they're unaffected by addons |
| 16:31.01 | cog|work | s/by/by the presence of/ |
| 16:31.21 | streina_ | This wasn't built-in...it was one that I typed in, in the "macros" section of the WoW-UI |
| 16:31.56 | cog|work | that's a built-in macro... |
| 16:32.00 | cog|work | you used the built in UI |
| 16:32.23 | cog|work | as opposed to one that you write in an addon that only exists for that addon |
| 16:32.36 | cog|work | e.g. trinitybars... |
| 16:32.46 | streina_ | ahhh...I see what you mean... |
| 16:33.12 | streina_ | why are some "special" and some "general"? |
| 16:33.27 | streina_ | what I mean to say is,...what's the difference? |
| 16:33.48 | cog|work | The built-in macros are stored by the game independently of any addons |
| 16:34.41 | cog|work | custom macro mods use the addon's saved variables or other methods (like editing their source code directly) |
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| 16:35.24 | *** topic/#WoWUIDev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 2.4.x ToC: 20400 | #WoWUIDev-commits : A place to watch active development of World of Warcraft addons. Multiple Sites' CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Canada Day! |
| 16:37.06 | CronoDevir | Not sure if this is the right place. But does anyone know of an AddOn that existed that told you info about each stat on hte item..if it added for instance stamina..it would display how much you would gain, as aposed to what you already had equiped. It would show how much armor you would gain [as aposed to the item currently equiped] etc etc.. |
| 16:37.36 | CronoDevir | And you didn't have to hit shift to see your currently equiped item. |
| 16:38.27 | CronoDevir | It would basicly show all the + and - for the item you look at, compared to your currently equiped item. |
| 16:41.03 | streina_ | finr |
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| 16:42.17 | CronoDevir | finr? |
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| 16:43.03 | streina_ | Is there a Addon that allows you to use a "mini" verison of the WORLD MAP, for dislplay while on your Character's environment screen...and, that has a GRID - CORRDinate system? |
| 16:43.24 | streina_ | verizon version |
| 16:43.35 | streina_ | verison=version, that is |
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| 16:44.01 | streina_ | sorry...cronodevir ---keyboard problems |
| 16:44.12 | CronoDevir | oh |
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| 16:48.06 | CronoDevir | Found it. RatingBuster was the mod. Thx for your idleness... :P |
| 16:48.21 | streina_ | What is the "wowuidev.pastey.net" site? |
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| 16:52.30 | streina_ | Cronodevir: Did you find the Addon that does the minimap GRID |
| 16:52.49 | CronoDevir | No..i don't even know what that is. :p |
| 16:53.06 | CronoDevir | that website is for pasting code |
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| 16:58.31 | Mitranim | When using CreateFrame, the arguments are assigned in this very order: "CreateFrame("frameType"[, "frameName"[, parentFrame[, "inheritsFrame"]]])" ? |
| 16:58.32 | Mitranim | I mean if you want to assign ParentFrame but at the same moment no FrameName whatsoever do you need to set "nil" between type and parent? |
| 16:59.09 | wereHamster | yes |
| 16:59.16 | Mitranim | Thanks. |
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| 17:12.06 | Mitranim | Hi Tekkub! You're in time, I've a question about Ampere. :-) |
| 17:12.22 | Tekkub | mrrrrrr |
| 17:12.56 | Mitranim | Why does it create everything concerning options frame OnShow? |
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| 17:13.18 | Tekkub | so that the memory is only used if you use the panel |
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| 17:13.56 | Mitranim | Yeah, but it means that memory is used every time you open options pane? |
| 17:13.58 | Mitranim | Hmm, anyway this makes sense... |
| 17:13.59 | Tekkub | no |
| 17:14.53 | Mitranim | So you mean options frames is "shown" only one time? |
| 17:15.05 | Tekkub | no, OnShow is only called once |
| 17:15.17 | Mitranim | But isn't it "hid" when you close options? |
| 17:15.45 | Mitranim | So that it had to be shown again? |
| 17:15.56 | alestane | Does the <OnShow> disengage itself with self:SetScript("OnShow")? |
| 17:16.14 | Tekkub | frame:SetScript("OnShow", Refresh) |
| 17:16.45 | Mitranim | Mm, don't get it yet. :-( |
| 17:16.59 | cog|work | Mitranim: it changes its OnShow function after the first time it runs |
| 17:16.59 | Tekkub | it rewrites it's own OnShow |
| 17:17.52 | Mitranim | Hmm... |
| 17:18.00 | Mitranim | Let me dig into the code... |
| 17:20.28 | Mitranim | Refresh() isn't present in WoW API on WoWWik. What it does? |
| 17:20.40 | Shirik | Refresh() is not a standard API |
| 17:20.52 | Shirik | at least not one that I'm aware of |
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| 17:21.25 | Tekkub | Refresh = function() |
| 17:21.25 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.31 | Mitranim | Wait, it's a function |
| 17:21.34 | Mitranim | I see. |
| 17:21.44 | Mitranim | Stupid me |
| 17:22.40 | Shirik | anyone know what's the difference between Microsoft's Virtual PC and Virtual Server? |
| 17:23.43 | Josh_Borke | one runs on your pc, one runs on a server ;-P |
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| 17:24.57 | Shirik | I just don't see why there would need to be a distinction |
| 17:24.59 | Shirik | but oh well |
| 17:25.32 | Tekkub | virtually no difference? |
| 17:25.55 | Tekkub | server probably has some remote control |
| 17:26.19 | cog|work | pc probably isn't licensed to host windows server? |
| 17:26.31 | Shirik | maybe |
| 17:26.56 | cog|work | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=%22virtual+pc%22+vs+%22virtual+server%22&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 17:26.59 | cog|work | imo |
| 17:27.09 | Shirik | they are about the same size |
| 17:27.23 | Shirik | opera?! |
| 17:27.28 | Shirik | And I had respect for you, cog|work |
| 17:27.30 | cog|work | googling x vs y almost always brings results |
| 17:27.52 | cog|work | Shirik: i was raised with an open mind |
| 17:28.03 | cog|work | by some of the most closed minded people |
| 17:28.10 | cog|work | i'm sort of an oxymoron |
| 17:28.57 | Mitranim | I stopped using Opera when I couldn't use talent calculators because of the right click. :P |
| 17:29.25 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 17:29.55 | DARKGuy | I stopped using Opera when I met Firefox |
| 17:29.55 | DARKGuy | :p |
| 17:30.06 | cog|work | I started when i met fx3 :P |
| 17:30.11 | Stanzilla | ^that |
| 17:30.31 | Mitranim | What's new in FX3 compared with FX2? |
| 17:30.32 | Stanzilla | (nah, using opera since 8.x) |
| 17:30.42 | DARKGuy | Fx3 ftw. FF extensions have no comparison |
| 17:30.55 | cog|work | DARKGuy: that's because opera doesn't need them :P |
| 17:31.07 | cog|work | it has every extension i've ever used in Fx built in |
| 17:31.20 | Shirik | is that a good thing? ;) |
| 17:31.33 | cog|work | well i hardly used any to begin with :P |
| 17:32.04 | CronoDevir | extensions = slowdown |
| 17:32.12 | DARKGuy | cog|work: Opera can download youtube vids? :O, can get all the stuff in a page and direct download it? it has a good, nice download manager? (I've used it, but nothing beats DTA for FF), can it take a full screenshot of the webpage? can it show me the IP address of the site? and more importantly, what about the Web Developer toolbar and Firebug? I use them for web dev... :P |
| 17:32.17 | CronoDevir | the amoutn of extensions is directly related to the amoutn of slowdown :P |
| 17:32.19 | cog|work | Reload every, stylish, developer ... |
| 17:32.22 | Mitranim | They are mostly ADBlock and ChatZilla. :-) |
| 17:32.31 | Lopeppeppy | I use them all. Wimps, choosing only one option. |
| 17:32.39 | DARKGuy | lol Lopeppeppy |
| 17:32.47 | cog|work | DARKGuy: did i ever say it has every extension YOU use? :P |
| 17:32.55 | DARKGuy | cog|work: yes :p |
| 17:33.13 | DARKGuy | I hate browser mess, having more than one browser (and using them at the same time) is horrible, you never get your bookmarks or history right :( |
| 17:33.27 | CronoDevir | just remember the URL |
| 17:33.32 | cog|work | i only have to use Fx for a couple bill payments |
| 17:33.46 | DARKGuy | CronoDevir: yeah, I have a 500Gb brain. |
| 17:33.51 | cog|work | other than that i'm not having any substantial difficulties with Opera vs Fx. (both vs. IE is another story) |
| 17:34.04 | DARKGuy | Haha |
| 17:34.14 | DARKGuy | Fx3's title+url search is the win thought |
| 17:34.16 | DARKGuy | *though |
| 17:34.21 | CronoDevir | opera..isn't that the old busted win95 program? :P |
| 17:34.33 | DARKGuy | I can't count the times when all I remember was the page's title and not the url :p |
| 17:34.39 | Mitranim | What I like more in Firefox that it has nice default settings, so when you force some acquaintance of yours you have not to plunge through options for half an hour like with Opera. |
| 17:34.45 | CronoDevir | i don't even remember that sometimes |
| 17:34.52 | cog|work | DARKGuy: fx3's pisses me off... i actually like opera's better. |
| 17:34.55 | Mitranim | *force to install it instead of IE |
| 17:34.56 | Tekkub | it's oddly ironic watching you people argue about FF extensions |
| 17:35.13 | CronoDevir | i just use Gran Paradiso nightly..:P |
| 17:35.21 | CronoDevir | and i use no extensions |
| 17:35.28 | DARKGuy | cog|work: whoah, Opera added it? it didn't had that back when I left it, 7.something :p |
| 17:35.28 | CronoDevir | well..one..lol |
| 17:35.41 | Wikwocket | Opera is very click these days |
| 17:35.45 | Wikwocket | *slick, even |
| 17:35.46 | cog|work | DARKGuy: it's not quite the same, but i did find a url i couldn't remember by typing a title |
| 17:36.01 | DARKGuy | cog|work: cool o.o |
| 17:36.02 | cog|work | 9.5 is pretty damned sexy |
| 17:36.09 | cog|work | and it's the most standards compliant of anything |
| 17:36.14 | DARKGuy | I might try it now, been using it since 6 and the changes might be worth the shot :p |
| 17:36.38 | cog|work | of course, you should withhold judgement until you've used it for at least a week |
| 17:36.40 | Wikwocket | Speed Dial is like the best feature ever :) |
| 17:36.52 | cog|work | to ease bias |
| 17:37.07 | cog|work | and allow you to familiarize yourself with the features that really help |
| 17:37.25 | cog|work | I even gave IE 7 that treatment when it came out... but it ph4iled |
| 17:37.28 | DARKGuy | :p I have FF tuned with everything that really helps me :p |
| 17:37.35 | DARKGuy | lol |
| 17:37.40 | DARKGuy | time for me to go to lunch though, bbl ^^ |
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| 17:39.02 | CLOUDNINE | cronodevir2 |
| 17:39.20 | Josh_Borke | cog|work: i'm waiting for opera 9.5 for the mobile to come out |
| 17:39.40 | cronodevir2 | i'm waiting for TC to end it all. |
| 17:39.57 | cronodevir2 | so i can finaly do outdoor activities |
| 17:40.31 | Shirik | :( I lost my neutrino CD. 500MB download ftl now |
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| 17:41.35 | Shirik | servers are starting to come back up, btw, for those of you sitting around |
| 17:41.56 | Wikwocket | Woot |
| 17:41.56 | Shirik | and apparently IRC, on the other hand, is going down |
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| 17:42.56 | Shirik | I like how several servers are already full |
| 17:43.57 | Shirik | anyone have experience running Virtual PC in wine? |
| 17:43.59 | Shirik | >.> |
| 17:44.12 | cnc|away | Shirik: I tried a veeery long time ago |
| 17:44.14 | cnc|away | it sucked |
| 17:44.20 | cnc|away | dunno now |
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| 17:46.07 | Shirik | just was kinda wondering if it worked at all |
| 17:46.16 | Shirik | I need a way to be able to run QNX in Linux |
| 17:46.27 | cog|work | Shirik: vmware player |
| 17:46.28 | Shirik | a free or relatively cheap way |
| 17:46.36 | cog|work | free last i checked |
| 17:46.48 | cog|work | might also work with qemu |
| 17:46.53 | cnc|away | everything is free |
| 17:46.56 | Shirik | thanks, I'll check it out :) |
| 17:49.00 | cog|work | in fact you should get qemu either way since you need it to create vmware images |
| 17:49.02 | cronodevir2 | everything is free...i like your motto :D |
| 17:49.24 | cog|work | since the player doesn't support creation of VMs |
| 17:49.40 | cog|work | there's also online utilities that will build VMs for you |
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| 17:54.36 | cog|work | ... STATION! |
| 17:55.18 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 17:56.13 | Lunessa | ... plus I have an awesomely giaganitc martian butt. |
| 17:56.31 | cog|work | My mother-in-law noticed |
| 17:56.46 | cog|work | :< |
| 17:57.06 | Lunessa | Hah. She wanted to buy a ticket on that ride? LAWL. |
| 17:57.27 | Gnarfoz | hmmm meh |
| 17:57.30 | Lunessa | I kid. I kid. |
| 17:57.36 | Gnarfoz | wowi svn zip generation is kind of weird |
| 17:58.27 | Gnarfoz | I've got wowi:dirname set on /trunk, yet the zip it generates does not contain a AddonName/ dir |
| 17:58.39 | Gnarfoz | (even though the log says so!) |
| 17:59.29 | Shirik | Gnarfoz, which addon is this? |
| 17:59.45 | Gnarfoz | sec, maybe it was browser caching |
| 18:00.22 | Shirik | lmao @ your email address btw |
| 18:00.23 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it was, because I didn't change the version I wanted to push this as, my browser thought it was the same (however that works? shouldn't it be a different size at least?) |
| 18:00.29 | Shirik | randomly came across it while looking it up :) |
| 18:00.40 | Gnarfoz | huh? mine? ;D |
| 18:01.03 | Gnarfoz | I don't even know what I'm using for wowi, actually oO |
| 18:01.06 | Shirik | heh |
| 18:01.22 | Gnarfoz | errm |
| 18:01.30 | Gnarfoz | ah, pending, ok |
| 18:01.49 | Gnarfoz | I forget that wowi has approvals ^^ |
| 18:02.20 | Shirik | not long ones if someone happens to be floating around >.> |
| 18:02.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I know, I just thought I did something wrong again ;> |
| 18:02.57 | Shirik | there you go :) |
| 18:03.07 | Gnarfoz | thanks |
| 18:03.31 | Gnarfoz | hm, I'm using my old gmx address there |
| 18:03.44 | Gnarfoz | shouldn't make any sense to anyone ;D |
| 18:05.17 | Gnarfoz | can't be arsed to fade it out, though, using it in way too many forums etc because GMX is at least, if not anything else, reliable and fast |
| 18:11.16 | Fisker- | ... STATION? |
| 18:12.26 | foxlit | http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9461/cheeseformma9.jpg |
| 18:13.04 | cog|work | tasty |
| 18:14.24 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:16.32 | cnc|away | dire cat form for wotlk tbh :) |
| 18:17.15 | cog|work | dire tol |
| 18:18.00 | foxlit | I'm not impressed by "no epic ground form in wrath" |
| 18:18.28 | foxlit | Clearlly need more speed to dominate arenas! |
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| 18:26.07 | leethal | oh hai. Is there a caith ui for 1240x1024 around? |
| 18:26.26 | leethal | remember not being able to grok some very fancy eepanels configs etc. |
| 18:27.27 | Lunessa | leethal - Caith has a download page. GoogleFu is your friend. |
| 18:27.28 | leethal | s/1240/1280/ |
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| 18:28.06 | leethal | all I can find is a forum post from 2007 with a widescreen version =/ |
| 18:28.14 | leethal | that seems official-ish, as in is posted by caith himself |
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| 18:29.48 | Codexius | wow wheres the patch? |
| 18:30.23 | Codexius | they released TCG loot cards that are not redeemable till 2.4.3 lol |
| 18:31.14 | Wikwocket | Maybe you could get them on the PTR but that is probably not the wisest action! |
| 18:31.27 | Tekkub | PTR has codes to test them |
| 18:31.28 | Lunessa | zomg - 'Bacon is a cheese. " ~Tuller |
| 18:32.12 | foxlit | where the WWI patch is a much more interesting issue :) |
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| 19:17.19 | Shirik | how can I tell what runlevel I'm currently at? |
| 19:17.50 | kd3 | run the command `runlevel`? |
| 19:17.56 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:18.02 | Shirik | I thought it would be something like "init" >.> |
| 19:18.10 | kd3 | init changes runlevels |
| 19:18.19 | Shirik | yeah so I figured without an argument it would tell me what I'm at :( |
| 19:18.29 | Shirik | but it just yelled at me |
| 19:18.32 | Fisker- | you can't get my job then Shirik ! |
| 19:19.30 | Shirik | li23-154 localhost # runlevel |
| 19:19.30 | Shirik | N 3 |
| 19:19.33 | Shirik | so I'm at 3, right? |
| 19:19.48 | kd3 | you're at 3 now, you booted in to that since the previous runlevel's "N" |
| 19:20.00 | Lunessa | *boggle* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475666175&sid=1 - the raiders in that guild must be horrid. |
| 19:20.03 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 19:20.28 | Kalroth | haha Lunessa |
| 19:21.00 | Lunessa | Here, you guys are all 'tards, so I went tlooking for a way to turn you into my DPS-Bots. |
| 19:21.13 | Wikwocket | Nah it's probably just someone frustrated with the 2 idiots on each raid that can't be bothered to watch tank targets, let alone make an assist macro |
| 19:21.41 | Shirik | this is why I ask, kd3 |
| 19:21.55 | Shirik | li23-154 init.d # rc-update add apache2 3 |
| 19:21.56 | Shirik | * runlevel '3' not found; skipping |
| 19:22.06 | Shirik | so... I'm at a loss >.> |
| 19:24.36 | Gnarfoz | is it a distro that actually uses rc-update? |
| 19:24.38 | Fisker- | couldn't you use default instead? |
| 19:24.57 | kd3 | you could just cheat and create a symlink from /etc/init.d/httpd to /etc/rc3.d/S45httpd |
| 19:25.10 | Shirik | I changed 3 to default and it seems to have worked so |
| 19:25.14 | Shirik | dunno what that was all about |
| 19:25.20 | Fisker- | 3 is default isn't it? |
| 19:25.24 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: my understanding is yes; gentoo; it's always what I've been told to do |
| 19:25.25 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 19:25.27 | kd3 | for non-gui installs |
| 19:25.36 | Shirik | it's a server |
| 19:25.41 | kd3 | ya |
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| 19:27.20 | cog|work | fwiw, that's only by convention, no? |
| 19:27.45 | Fisker- | l0:0:wait:/sbin/rc shutdown |
| 19:27.45 | Fisker- | l1:S1:wait:/sbin/rc single |
| 19:27.45 | Fisker- | l2:2:wait:/sbin/rc nonetwork |
| 19:27.45 | Fisker- | l3:3:wait:/sbin/rc default |
| 19:27.45 | Fisker- | l4:4:wait:/sbin/rc default |
| 19:27.46 | Fisker- | l5:5:wait:/sbin/rc default |
| 19:27.48 | Fisker- | l6:6:wait:/sbin/rc reboot |
| 19:28.00 | Fisker- | looks like gentoo explicitly wants the text runlevels and not the numbers |
| 19:28.23 | Fisker- | The user-defined runlevels are those with an accompanying /etc/runlevels subdirectory: boot, default, nonetwork and single. The boot runlevel starts all system-necessary services which all other runlevels use. The remaining three runlevels differ in what services they start: default is used for day-to-day operations, nonetwork is used in case no network connectivity is required, and single is used when you need to fix the syste |
| 19:28.25 | Fisker- | yeah :o |
| 19:29.44 | Arrowmaster | arrow@hp-sux:~$ sudo runlevel |
| 19:29.45 | Arrowmaster | N 2 |
| 19:30.41 | Shirik | hp-sux? |
| 19:30.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:30.50 | Arrowmaster | =D |
| 19:31.18 | Fisker- | have you learned your lesson Shirik ? |
| 19:31.30 | Shirik | lesson? |
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| 19:31.48 | Fisker- | about not using numbers again :o |
| 19:36.30 | Shirik | I like numbers :( |
| 19:36.44 | Arrowmaster | i like sain distros |
| 19:36.59 | Shirik | gentoo is sane! |
| 19:37.09 | Shirik | mr. ubuntu |
| 19:37.09 | Arrowmaster | lies! |
| 19:37.20 | Arrowmaster | im not using ubuntu |
| 19:37.23 | Shirik | debian |
| 19:37.30 | Arrowmaster | got me |
| 19:37.46 | Shirik | ok, least you're not using ubuntu |
| 19:38.04 | Arrowmaster | i probably will for my next desktop though |
| 19:40.04 | kd3 | fedora 9 <3 |
| 19:40.53 | Guillotine | windows ME <3 anyone? |
| 19:41.04 | Fisker- | windows me is pretty awesome actually |
| 19:41.22 | Lunessa | It suffers from the Balmer effect. |
| 19:41.28 | Guillotine | truth |
| 19:43.30 | Fisker- | after some tweaks it ran a lot better than 1998 |
| 19:43.37 | Fisker- | windows 98 that is |
| 19:44.11 | Matrix110 | My Windows 98 SE liked to crash alot when executing something:-( |
| 19:44.43 | cncfanatics | my windows <insert any version here> like to eat a lot of cpu & memory to do nothing usefull at all, it also crashes a lot |
| 19:44.49 | Matrix110 | uptime >1day almost impossible |
| 19:44.55 | cncfanatics | y |
| 19:44.58 | Matrix110 | Vista didnt crash once so far |
| 19:45.01 | Fisker- | gonna insert your mother cncfanatics |
| 19:45.09 | cncfanatics | windows your mother |
| 19:45.13 | cncfanatics | hmmm, they shld bring that out |
| 19:45.17 | cncfanatics | if they do I'll buy it |
| 19:45.24 | cncfanatics | and give it to Fisker- |
| 19:45.48 | Fisker- | i'd hit it |
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| 19:52.51 | Lunessa | I routinely had Up-Time of > 1 day with ME, 98, etc. The trick was "never install anything, ever." |
| 19:53.22 | Tekkub | that logic doesn't work |
| 19:53.33 | Tekkub | unless ou're including drivers in that neverever |
| 19:53.41 | Sixen | Anyone use a Mac? :/. |
| 19:54.26 | _rane | o/ |
| 19:54.57 | Sixen | Kinda looking to buy an old Mac, tbh. Just to test stuff with. |
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| 19:56.07 | _rane | macs rule |
| 19:57.30 | Sixen | lol:P |
| 20:01.32 | Lunessa | I use a mac daily. |
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| 20:20.20 | cronodevir2 | is there a way to make a macro that toggles locked/unlocked action bars? |
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| 20:31.38 | Lunessa | There's a keybinding for it alreay |
| 20:32.33 | cronodevir2 | what is uit? |
| 20:32.43 | Tekkub | in the keybindings |
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| 20:40.08 | Thunder_Child | ~scream |
| 20:40.08 | purl | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! |
| 20:43.34 | ckknight | oh, how I wish I could rotate WoW models in a different direction other than around yaw |
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| 20:47.02 | Wikwocket | In-game or in the model viewer? |
| 20:48.21 | ckknight | in-game |
| 20:49.22 | ckknight | basically, I want to rotate 90º about the pitch, but I can't find any way to do that |
| 20:49.52 | Thunder_Child | trying to look up peoples skirts? |
| 20:50.32 | ckknight | essentially, but I'm actually trying to point an arrow downward |
| 20:51.08 | ckknight | currently it's parallel with the ground when I want it to point at the ground |
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| 20:52.14 | wereHamster | ckknight: turn your head 90 degrees |
| 20:52.28 | wereHamster | or the screen |
| 20:52.36 | ckknight | don't think that's a workable solution, wereHamster |
| 20:52.50 | ckknight | man, I wish I could just make m2 models |
| 20:52.53 | ckknight | lousy proprietary specs |
| 20:53.11 | ckknight | I'd just open up the arrow, rotate it, and then use the new model |
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| 20:53.40 | wereHamster | Wait. You can load custom models into WoW? |
| 20:54.21 | ckknight | yea, you can if it's in the right format |
| 20:54.23 | ckknight | I'm doing it now |
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| 20:59.25 | Thunder_Child | someone go take my polisci test for me |
| 21:00.16 | Thunder_Child | thanks for volunteering Fisker- |
| 21:00.31 | wereHamster | what is 'polisci' ? |
| 21:01.07 | Thunder_Child | political science |
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| 21:05.38 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: what level poly sci? |
| 21:05.57 | Thunder_Child | first, i'm just taking this as a filler |
| 21:06.53 | Thunder_Child | "POL SC 01National and California Government" |
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| 21:47.03 | Arrowmaster | ah crap, i found something about FF3 i hate, zoom in and zoom out effect all windows and tabs |
| 21:52.21 | cog|work | Fisker-: ^ |
| 21:52.54 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, not for me |
| 21:53.51 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, looks like it happens per site |
| 21:54.03 | Thunder_Child | website* |
| 21:54.10 | Arrowmaster | ah that could be it |
| 21:54.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah it is |
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| 21:54.54 | cog|work | http://digg.com/software/The_OFFICIAL_Abbreviation_of_Firefox_is_Fx |
| 21:55.28 | Arrowmaster | i have a gamefaqs page up on my main FF3 window and i duped the tab and moved it to a new window then increased the text size in a guide since i moved the window to my 2nd monitor |
| 21:55.47 | cog|work | ~poke Arrowmaster |
| 21:55.48 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Arrowmaster, pokes Arrowmaster repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:55.55 | Arrowmaster | FF |
| 21:56.06 | Thunder_Child | cog|work, if enough people say it's FF it will become FF |
| 21:56.11 | cog|work | why do you keep talking about final fantasy like it's a web browser? :P |
| 21:56.22 | Thunder_Child | ~lart cog|work |
| 21:56.22 | purl | makes a balloon animal out of cog|work |
| 21:56.26 | Arrowmaster | dont be like fisker |
| 21:56.29 | cog|work | ok |
| 21:57.02 | Thunder_Child | nothin wrong with trolling every once in a while |
| 21:59.58 | cog|work | There is when you post in green :( |
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| 22:00.28 | Thunder_Child | you are not green in here cog|work, so enjoy |
| 22:01.11 | Arrowmaster | 05:59:49p +(cog|work) There is when you post in green :( |
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| 22:02.28 | Arrowmaster | ok back to crashing cars in burnout paradise |
| 22:03.23 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, you needed gamefaqs help with crashing cars? |
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| 22:09.33 | Arrowmaster | no im missing like 5 billboards |
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| 22:11.54 | Thunder_Child | i never did understand trying to get all thoes types of crap in games |
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| 22:19.51 | kamdis | cog|work you are cracking me up. just came by to tell you that. |
| 22:20.06 | cog|work | <3 |
| 22:20.35 | Shirik | linky |
| 22:20.54 | Thunder_Child | forums fail |
| 22:22.17 | kamdis | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7116399022&sid=1 |
| 22:23.14 | kamdis | <3 |
| 22:24.06 | cog|work | 14:57 < Thunder_Child> nothin wrong with trolling every once in a while |
| 22:24.06 | cog|work | 14:59 <+cog|work> There is when you post in green :( |
| 22:24.19 | cog|work | <.< |
| 22:24.20 | cog|work | >.> |
| 22:24.39 | Tekkub | and who's fault is that? |
| 22:24.51 | Tekkub | you should learn to ignore the cess-pool that is the o.formus |
| 22:25.34 | Sixen | [03:24:52 PM] Tekkub: you should learn to ignore the cess-pool that is the o.formus |
| 22:25.35 | Sixen | That. |
| 22:28.28 | Guillotine | 15:25Sixen[03:24:52 PM] Tekkub: you should learn to ignore the cess-pool that is the o.formus <- quoting iteratively is fun |
| 22:28.52 | Thunder_Child | i swear gamespot is getting more and more retarded "http://www.gamespot.comhttp//e3.gamespot.com" |
| 22:29.07 | Sixen | ;) |
| 22:29.10 | Thunder_Child | is not a valid link |
| 22:31.22 | Thunder_Child | "The sequel to Lionhead's open-ended action RPG will expand on the original game with even more open-ended gameplay and streamlined combat built around a single button." |
| 22:31.35 | Thunder_Child | yes, because hitting a single button is so much fun |
| 22:32.00 | amro | I hate single button combat. way to take skill out of the equation |
| 22:32.45 | Kirov | Yeah, totally different than those games with real combat depth ... like Too Human |
| 22:32.49 | Kirov | ... |
| 22:33.02 | Kirov | right stick = all combat |
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| 22:33.41 | Thunder_Child | at least a stick has more optinos than a button |
| 22:33.45 | Thunder_Child | options* |
| 22:35.37 | Thunder_Child | hmmm, D3 UI is not going to be customizable |
| 22:35.57 | Kirov | I didn't think D2's was |
| 22:36.00 | Kirov | not officially |
| 22:36.16 | Thunder_Child | it wasnt as far as i know |
| 22:36.48 | Thunder_Child | but wow has tought us how much ui customization is both fun and handy |
| 22:36.52 | Hirsute | A little while ago someone mentioned a script command to enable/disable an addon from within the game (I know it requires a ui reload to take effect) anyone know what it is, off-hand? |
| 22:36.58 | Thunder_Child | taught* |
| 22:37.07 | Guillotine | EnableAddOn |
| 22:37.13 | Hirsute | Thanks |
| 22:37.24 | Hirsute | I kept trying AddOnEnable and was getting errors. |
| 22:37.54 | Guillotine | and DisableAddOn for disabling |
| 22:38.09 | Guillotine | http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#AddOn_Functions |
| 22:39.34 | Thunder_Child | "As for a secret cow level...when pressed, all Blizzard reps would say was "No comment." " |
| 22:39.43 | Sixen | Heh |
| 22:39.48 | Sixen | They've been saying, "There is no Penguin Level" |
| 22:39.58 | Sixen | Due to the Penguin Tile from the splash screen. |
| 22:40.30 | Thunder_Child | gah, i hope there will not be a purple penguin level |
| 22:40.53 | Sixen | Personally, i'd love to see a Chat Gem Level. |
| 22:42.10 | Shirik | I love my mail system |
| 22:42.10 | Thunder_Child | hmm...this is odd...it says that the game will pick up 20 years after D2, yet it also says that the general population thinks that the demons are a myth |
| 22:42.17 | Shirik | 3008 Authentication failed: Success |
| 22:42.24 | Thunder_Child | 20 seems kinda short for that |
| 22:42.28 | Shirik | when logging in... |
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| 22:45.29 | wereHamster | Shirik: authentication successfully failed |
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| 22:47.06 | ckknight | Thunder_Child: well, really, there wouldn't be much communication between regions, and for two, not many places were affected by demons (or so I thought) |
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| 22:50.27 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Well, 20 years is a full generation. |
| 22:53.32 | alestane | Interesting discussion to come into the middle of.. |
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| 22:54.14 | wereHamster | it started with this: < Thunder_Child> hmm...this is odd...it says that the game will pick up 20 years after D2, yet it also says that the general population thinks that the demons are a myth |
| 22:54.30 | foxlit | worldstone |
| 22:54.35 | alestane | Ah, D3 discussion. |
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| 22:54.40 | wereHamster | yep |
| 22:54.41 | foxlit | == unlimited retcon potential |
| 22:55.12 | Shirik | ok um, trying to get the description of a buff |
| 22:55.28 | Shirik | I did GameTooltip:SetUnitBuff(...) then checked GameTooltipTextLeft1:GetText() |
| 22:55.31 | Shirik | is that right? |
| 22:55.46 | Shirik | It keeps returning nil (for GameTooltipTextLeft1-4, actually) |
| 22:56.41 | wereHamster | GameTooltip:Show() and see if it accepts your SetUnitBuff() |
| 22:57.26 | Shirik | yeah I just did that, it did |
| 22:59.00 | Shirik | oho |
| 22:59.04 | Shirik | does it have to be shown for it to work? |
| 22:59.31 | Shirik | I noticed it did come up when I had my mouse over a unit already |
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| 23:01.22 | alestane | I think it's customary when doing tooltip scanning to make your own tooltip and set that. |
| 23:02.22 | wereHamster | Shirik: the tooltip frame must have a parent IIRC |
| 23:03.13 | Shirik | I guess I needed to set an owner too |
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| 23:26.43 | |Jelly| | Economic recession? Having trouble buying gas? Don't. Go. Out. To. Eat. |
| 23:26.55 | kd3 | 4srs? |
| 23:27.22 | Shirik | wtf |
| 23:27.23 | Shirik | this is the US |
| 23:27.25 | Shirik | we live on fast food |
| 23:27.26 | Lunessa | Which means economic recession for servers. |
| 23:27.47 | |Jelly| | Lunessa: I actually paid to wait on a table today. |
| 23:27.50 | |Jelly| | Think about that. |
| 23:28.02 | Lunessa | I am thinking about it. |
| 23:28.07 | |Jelly| | I would have been better off, had they not even come in. |
| 23:28.18 | Lunessa | I'm also thinking that my gasoline costs essentially double my rent. |
| 23:28.30 | Lunessa | meaning I'm going to have to move... again. |
| 23:29.16 | |Jelly| | Do you go out to eat though? More importantly, do you leave $1.08 on $63.92? <3 |
| 23:30.00 | |Jelly| | By the way /rant |
| 23:30.19 | Thunder_Child | in Lunessa case though hot women get more ofc |
| 23:30.47 | |Jelly| | Honestly, you'd be surprised. Horny guys don't seem to tip much more than ... anyone else. |
| 23:31.08 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: I never tip under 15% when I tip. But because budgets are tight, I pretty much don't go anywhere i'll ever have to tip. And I eat in a lot. |
| 23:31.44 | |Jelly| | My point. |
| 23:32.07 | |Jelly| | So anyway ... how's that local sports team? |
| 23:32.25 | Thunder_Child | whats this "sports team" your talking about? |
| 23:32.41 | foxlit | Lunessa: ping |
| 23:32.47 | Lunessa | pong |
| 23:32.51 | foxlit | "Opie is non-secure code. Any non-Blizzard code is "insecure" and as such, they are prevented from doing things that cast spells. " |
| 23:33.10 | Lunessa | meh... oversimplification for the loss. |
| 23:33.31 | |Jelly| | <3 oPie. |
| 23:33.54 | |Jelly| | I think it might actually allow me to work with a "Buttonless UI" as my next ui! :) |
| 23:34.18 | foxlit | Thing is, that should be a "macrotext" secure button |
| 23:34.33 | foxlit | If you were to do, say, /cast Pyroblast in there, it'll work |
| 23:35.36 | Lunessa | Foxlit.. feel free to come along behind me and point out that if he'd used the addon properly, he'd be ok. :D |
| 23:35.53 | foxlit | US forums :) |
| 23:36.00 | Lunessa | Oh, right... Duh. |
| 23:36.05 | foxlit | I'm not sure if I messed up, though |
| 23:36.08 | |Jelly| | Oh! Oh! LINK! |
| 23:36.17 | foxlit | or if that's that intended behavior |
| 23:37.49 | foxlit | It's really too late in the night to think about this clearly |
| 23:38.19 | foxlit | Doing a /run in a macro should suspend secure mode temporarily while the lua script executes, not taint the execution path |
| 23:39.07 | foxlit | On the other hand, TogleSpellBook is an ordinary lua function, so if he's getting taint errors with that out of combat ... meh |
| 23:39.33 | Lunessa | I posted. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7475723528&sid=1 |
| 23:39.49 | foxlit | That's not the right answer, though |
| 23:39.53 | foxlit | I presume he's doing that |
| 23:40.14 | foxlit | There isn't really any other way to get it to use a macro, it'll end up doing it securely |
| 23:42.02 | Lunessa | Well, you'll need to look at your code. :P I'm at work and can't install Opie and test for you. :P |
| 23:42.42 | foxlit | Tell him to use /click SpellbookMicroButton instead |
| 23:43.20 | foxlit | That should at least cut the possibly-insecure lua scripting out of the loop; if it still errors after that, I have an issue with some hooks |
| 23:43.50 | Lunessa | *nod* Hopefully he comes back to see that. |
| 23:44.54 | foxlit | Can always hope :) |
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| 23:50.02 | malreth | hooray for in-laws! |
| 23:52.24 | Lunessa | you has them? |
| 23:52.59 | malreth | well, i will |
| 23:53.03 | malreth | in a little over a month |
| 23:53.16 | malreth | they're already making lifes difficult |
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